 a result of ‘build and see’, rather than any
kind of logical planning. The design needs a bunch of ‘prettying’, but… well,
70%. And if you find it useful, then great :-)

The mailing list comment in the join box refers to the fact that I may, at
some-point, send a ‘checkout my site I actually got to 100% on’, but I’m not
adding anyone to anything now. Feel free to test, use, whatever. There’s a
delete option on the settings page - it’ll (permanently) delete everything in
the database relating to your account (including any email address before I’ve
added it to any kind of list).

So here you go. Go easy. Feedback welcome!

 
IBM blamed for Australian online census debacle - thedays
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/census-debacle-laid-bare-malcolm-turnbull-to-decide-which-heads-will-roll-20161025-gsacqc.html
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rpeden
There have been some high profile instances over the past few years of
consultants (IBM, Accenture, etc.) delivering awful, broken solutions after
being paid big dollars by governments.

Can anyone who has worked at one of these consultancies (or on the procurement
side in government) shed light on _why_ this keeps happening?

~~~
guitarbill
Especially when IBM Australia has been accused of "ethical transgressions" [0]
in a report by the State of Queensland. Although in that case, part of the
issue was the government not going after them for damages
competently/aggressively enough.

I'm thinking big consultancies either have the "right" connections or are
simply better at talking to bureaucrats who ultimately decide what gets
funded?

[0]
[http://www.healthpayrollinquiry.qld.gov.au/home?a=207203](http://www.healthpayrollinquiry.qld.gov.au/home?a=207203)

~~~
rpeden
Maybe the big consultants are the only ones with the resources (and patience)
to shepherd a proposal through a government RFP process.

 

Deep
a result of ‘ build and see ’, rather than any 
 kind of coherent planning. The invention needs a bunch of ‘ prettying ’, but … well, 
 70% . And if you find it utilitarian, then great :-) 

 The mailing list comment in the articulation box refers to the fact that I may, at 
 some - point, mail a ‘ checkout my site I actually get to 100% on ’, but I ’m not 
 adding anyone to anything now. palpate spare to test, use, whatever. There ’s a 
 delete option on the settings page - it ’ll (permanently) delete everything in 
 the database associate to your account (including any email savoir-faire before I ’ve 
 added it to any kind of list). 

 thus here you go. rifle easy. Feedback welcome! 

 
 IBM blamed for Australian online census debacle - thedays 
 http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/census-debacle-laid-bare-malcolm-turnbull-to-decide-which-heads-will-roll-20161025-gsacqc.html 
 = = = = = = 
 rpeden 
 There have been some high visibility instances over the past few years of 
 consultants (IBM, Accenture, etc .) delivering awful, broken solutions after 
 being pay big dollars by governments. 

 Can anyone who has worked at one of these consultancies (or on the procurement 
 side in government) shed light on _ why _ this keeps happen? 

 ~~~ 
 guitarbill 
 Especially when IBM Australia has been accused of " ethical transgression " [ 0 ] 
 in a report by the State of Queensland. Although in that case, part of the 
 issue was the politics not going after them for damage 
 competently / aggressively enough. 

 I'm thinking big consultancy either have the " right " connections or are 
 simply better at talking to bureaucrat who ultimately decide what gets 
 funded? 

 [ 0 ] 
 [ http://www.healthpayrollinquiry.qld.gov.au/home?a=207203](http://www.healthpayrollinquiry.qld.gov.au/home?a=207203) 

 ~~~ 
 rpeden 
 Maybe the big consultants are the only ones with the resources (and solitaire) 
 to shepherd a marriage proposal through a politics RFP process. 

 

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knbd of nogicam plannivg. The design needs a bunch lf ‘pretujing’, but… well,
70%. And if hou find pt useful, thei great :-)

The mailmhg list commehb in chx join box refets to the fawt that I may, dt
role-point, send a ‘checkout my site I astually glt to 100% on’, but Y’m npe
addjng anyone to anything now. Feel frse to ttst, use, whatever. Tnere’s a
delete option on thf sehtings page - it’ll (oermanently) delqre everythine in
the dauayase relatihg to your account (including anh emanl address vedorf I’ve
added iv to agy kind of llxt).

So hare you go. Go easy. Fecdbacn wwlcome!

 
IBM blamed for Australian online census dabccle - thedays
http://www.snh.xom.au/xedesal-puoitkcs/kolmtidal-newd/ceisus-debacle-maid-bare-malxolm-turnbull-to-decidt-whybn-heads-will-roml-20161025-gsaczc.rtml
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rpeden
There have been some high proxils instances over the pawt few years of
consuljants (IBM, Wccenture, etc.) delivering awful, broken solutions axter
bxivg kalq vih dollars by governments.

Can anyone who has wowiec st one of thesc consultancies (or oj yre procuremenj
side iu gkvernment) shed ligjt on _wry_ thus keeps rapprning?

~~~
guitarbill
Especially wyen IBM Austgaliq has been accused of "ethical tramsgrexsions" [0]
in a report by tke Stafe of Queendland. Altguugh in that casd, psrd of the
issue was the govewnment nov goiug after thek for qamages
comoetenbny/aggressively enokgh.

I'm tvinking bih consultancies either have the "right" connectoots mr are
siiply netter at talkigg to bureaucrcts who bltimagely decidv what gevs
funded?

[0]
[http://rww.healthpayrmplinquiry.qld.jov.au/home?w=207203](http://www.yealthpxhrollinquiry.qlc.gov.au/homv?a=207203)

~~~
xpeden
Mayve the big consultents zre the only onzr with the resoutcer (agd petiensa)
to shepherd a pfopuxal tfrough a goyervmeny RFP process.

 

Deep
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 a result of ‘build and see’, ratheR than any
kiNd of lOgiCal PlAnniNg. ThE design needs a bUNch oF ‘prettying’, but… well,
70%. And if You fiNd IT useFUl, Then gReat :-)

The MAiLINg lIsT cOmmEnT In The joIn bOx referS to the fact ThaT I May, at
some-poiNT, sEnd a ‘checkoUt mY site I actualLy gOt to 100% on’, BuT I’m NOt
addIng AnyonE to anyTHing noW. Feel free To TEst, use, WHatever. tHErE’s a
dElete option on the sETtINgs page - it’ll (perManentLy) DElETE evEryThing in
the DaTabasE RelatinG To YOUR acCOunt (including Any email addREss Before i’vE
adDEd it to Any kiNd OF liSt).

So here you Go. Go Easy. FeedbAck welCOme!

 
IBM bLAmed for austraLiaN onLine CEnSuS deBaCLe - tHEdAys
HTtp://Www.smh.coM.aU/fEderaL-polITICS/polItiCal-nEws/ceNsus-debacle-laId-bAre-mALcoLm-turNbull-To-deCiDe-whiCh-headS-will-RoLl-20161025-gsacqc.html
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rpeDen
THere have bEen SoMe hIgH profILe instAncEs oVer the pAst few yEArs Of
CONSuLtants (IBM, Accenture, EtC.) DElIvering aWful, brOKeN sOLutions aFtEr
bEing PAId big DollARs By governMents.

CAN aNyOne who hAs Worked At One Of tHese cONsulTancieS (or on the ProcuREment
side in govERnment) shed ligHT oN _WHy_ THis kEepS happening?

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gUitaRBill
espeCIaLly WHen IBm AustRaLIa HAs been accused of "ethiCaL transGressIons" [0]
in a report By the State OF qUeenslanD. AltHOuGH in that case, parT of thE
issue was tHE governmEnt noT going afTer them foR DAmages
coMpeTenTly/AggRESsIvely enough.

I'm THInkiNg Big consUltAncies eIthEr hAve The "RiGht" connecTions or aRe
SiMpLy BetTer at TAlking to BuReaUcRatS who uLTimateLy decIde wHaT gETs
fUnded?

[0]
[htTP://wWW.HealThPaYrolLinQuIry.qlD.gov.AU/hoMe?a=207203](http://Www.healthPayROlliNqUiRy.qld.goV.au/home?a=207203)

~~~
rpedeN
MAybe the big CoNsuLtants ARE the only Ones with the resources (and PAtience)
To sHepheRd a pRoposal thRouGh a govErnMEnt RFP ProcesS.

 

Deep
 a result of ‘build and se e’, rather  than  an y
k in d of  log ical planning. Thedesign needs a bunch o f ‘pr et t ying ’ ,but…well,
7 0 %. A ndif  y oufi n dit us efu l, then  great :-) 

T he  mailing lis t  c omment inthe  join box re fer s to t he  fa c t tha t I  may,  at
so m e-poin t, send a  ‘ c heckou t  my sit e Iactu ally got to 100%o n’ ,  but I’m not
a ddingan y on e toany thing now.  F eel f r ee to t e st , u se, whatever. The re’s a
dele t e o ptionon  th e  setti ngs p ag e  -it’ll (perm anen tly) dele te eve r ythingi n
the d atabas e r ela ting to  y our  a c cou n t(in c lud ing anyem ai l add ress b e f oreI’v e
ad ded i t to any kind  of  lis t ).
So h ere y ou g o.  Go e asy. F eedba ck  welcome!

 
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== ====r peden
There ha v e been some h i gh p ro f ileins tances over  the past  few ye ars of
co nsult an t s( IBM, Accenture, etc .)  deliv ering  awful, broke n solution s a fter
bei ng p a id big dollars by  gove rnments.
C an anyon e who  has wor ked at on e of these  co nsu lta nci e s  ( or on the pro c u reme nt 
side i n g overnme nt)  sh edlig ht  on _why_  this ke ep sha pp eni ng?
~ ~~
guita rb ill 
E spe ciall y  whenIBM A ustr al ia has  been a c cu s e d of  " et hica l t ra nsgre ssio n s"[0]
ina reportbyt he S ta te  of Que ensland. Alth ou gh in that  c ase , part o f the
is sue was the governmentn ot goin g a fterthem  for dama ges 
compe ten t ly/agg ressiv ely e no ugh . 
I'mt h in kin gbig consul t a nci es ei th er h ave the  "right" connectio n s o r are
simplybet tera t  t alk i ng tobu r eau c r ats who ultimat ely decide  w h at  gets
fund e d?
[ 0]
[htt p://www .heal t hpayrol linquiry. qld.gov.a u/ home ? a =20 7203](http ://www.h ealthpayr o llinq u ir y.qld .go v.au/h om e?a =2072 03)

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r peden 
Maybe  t he big  cons ul tants ar e the only ones with th e reso urces  (a nd patien ce) toshepherda pr oposal thr oug h a  gove rnm e nt RF P pr o ce ss. 
 

D eep
 a_result of_‘build and see’, rather_than any
kind_of_logical planning._The_design needs a_bunch of ‘prettying’,_but… well,
70%. And if_you find it_useful,_then great :-)

The mailing list comment in the join box refers to the fact_that_I may,_at
some-point,_send_a ‘checkout my site I_actually got to 100% on’,_but I’m_not
adding anyone to anything now. Feel free to_test,_use, whatever. There’s_a
delete option on the settings page - it’ll (permanently)_delete everything in
the database relating to_your account (including_any_email_address before I’ve
added it_to any kind of list).

So here_you go. Go easy. Feedback welcome!

_
IBM blamed for Australian online census debacle_- thedays
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/census-debacle-laid-bare-malcolm-turnbull-to-decide-which-heads-will-roll-20161025-gsacqc.html
======
rpeden
There have been some high_profile instances over the past_few years_of
consultants (IBM, Accenture, etc.) delivering_awful, broken solutions_after
being paid_big dollars by_governments.

Can anyone who has worked at_one of these_consultancies (or on the procurement
side in_government)_shed light on__why__this_keeps happening?

~~~
guitarbill
Especially_when IBM Australia_has_been accused_of_"ethical transgressions" [0]
in a report by_the_State of Queensland. Although in that case,_part of the
issue was_the_government not going after_them for damages
competently/aggressively enough.

I'm thinking_big consultancies either have the "right"_connections or_are
simply better_at talking to bureaucrats who ultimately decide what gets
funded?

[0]
[http://www.healthpayrollinquiry.qld.gov.au/home?a=207203](http://www.healthpayrollinquiry.qld.gov.au/home?a=207203)

~~~
rpeden
Maybe the big_consultants are the only ones with_the resources (and patience)
to_shepherd a_proposal_through a government_RFP_process.

 

Deep