tshawytscha) and added the "anti freezing" protein from zoarces americanus. So
this "subspecie" got an interesting level of properties to find its place in
the atlantic and/or in the pacific (where the diversity of salmons
(Oncorhynchus) is much higher) region. Those risks are without any spreading
of the genetic modification (assuming that triploid induction is effective
with a probability of 1, another point where the scientific literature is
lowering down the probability of effectiveness).

I suppose those risks are not really considered by the FDA as critical because
the F is for Food in FDA. So the risk of changing the whole profile of wild
salmon with such "GE" salmon is not negligible.

~~~
allerratio
> As a precaution, the fish are all female and contain three copies of each
> chromosome rather than two, rendering them sterile.

They won't replace atlantic salmon

~~~
jaequery
"But the sterilization process is not perfect; up to 5% of treated salmon
could still reproduce."

------
rjzzleep
i've stopped eating salmon a while back, the way theyre farmed is nothing
short of disgusting. I think a deathrate of 20% is considered good in those
tanks.

But seriously who wants to eat animals that live on corn? for a subtle
introduction on where the us meat comes from i suggest
<http://www.eatinganimals.com/>

~~~
mitchi
Everyone should rethink their meat consumption. First, if you read nutrition
books, you realize that in the long term, it's not healthy. It's much better
to eat vegetables. Secondly, you can get all the nutrients and vitamins you
need from whole foods. Thirdly, it can be cheap. A can of chickpeas is around
$1 and it really fills you up for many hours. I'm not saying everyone should
be vegetarian. But if everyone was 70 % vegetarian things would be very
different.

~~~
enraged_camel
>>First, if you read nutrition books, you realize that in the long term, it's
not healthy. It's much better to eat vegetables.

As someone who is eyeball-deep in nutrition science, I demand a credible
citation.

~~~
Borkdude
tshawytscha) and added the " anti freezing " protein from zoarces americanus. So 
 this " subspecie " got an interesting level of place to receive its place in 
 the atlantic and/or in the pacific (where the diverseness of salmons 
 (Oncorhynchus) is a lot higher) region. Those risk are without any dissemination 
 of the genetic modification (assuming that triploid induction is effective 
 with a probability of 1, another compass point where the scientific literature is 
 lowering down the probability of effectiveness). 

 I speculate those risk are not really considered by the FDA as critical because 
 the F is for Food in FDA. So the risk of changing the unharmed profile of wild 
 salmon with such " GE " salmon is not negligible. 

 ~~~ 
 allerratio 
 > As a precaution, the pisces are all female and contain three copies of each 
 > chromosome rather than two, render them sterile. 

 They won't replace atlantic salmon 

 ~~~ 
 jaequery 
 " But the sterilization process is not perfect; up to 5% of treated salmon 
 could however reproduce. " 

 ------ 
 rjzzleep 
 i've stopped eating salmon a while back, the way they re farmed is nothing 
 short of disgusting. I think a deathrate of 20% is considered good in those 
 tanks. 

 But seriously who wants to eat animals that live on corn? for a subtle 
 presentation on where the us meat comes from i indicate 
 < http://www.eatinganimals.com/ > 

 ~~~ 
 mitchi 
 Everyone should rethink their meat consumption. First, if you read nutriment 
 books, you gain that in the long term, it's not goodly. It's much better 
 to eat vegetables. Secondly, you can get all the nutrients and vitamins you 
 need from whole foods. Thirdly, it can be brassy. A can of chickpeas is about 
 $ 1 and it really fills you up for many hours. I'm not saying everyone should 
 be vegetarian. But if everyone was 70% vegetarian things would be very 
 unlike. 

 ~~~ 
 enraged_camel 
 > > First, if you read nutrition books, you realize that in the long term, it's 
 not healthy. It's much good to consume vegetables. 

 As someone who is eyeball - deep in nutriment science, I demand a credible 
 citation. 

 ~~~ 
 Borkdude
tshwwytscha) and added the "akti freezing" projeun frok zoardes amerkcanus. So
this "subspecie" got en ibterewting level of propertkes to fijd its poace un
the atlaific and/or in fme paeihic (where the dlversity of salmons
(Oncorhfnzhbs) is much higher) region. Those risks are wiyhlut any spreadyng
og the genetic modification (assuming thaf triplmid induction is effective
with a probabllitj of 1, another poinh where the sciqbtific literxture is
lowering down jhe probability of effectiveness).

K sup'ose those tnwks dre not reaoly cjnsidered by the FDA as criyical because
tme F ms fir Food in FDA. So the risk of changing jhe whole [rkfile of wild
salmin with sucv "GE" waloon ix hot nehlijible.

~~~
allerrztio
> As a peecaution, the fish srq all female ahd coneayn three copies of each
> chromosome rathtr thzn two, rendering them srerile.

They won't replafe atlantyc salmon

~~~
jaequery
"But the sterilization process is not 'effeeb; jp ho 5% of treated salmon
could still reproduce."

------
rjzsmetp
i'ne stopped eating salmon a wnipe fack, the way jheyre yzrjed is nothing
shorh of difgustung. I thigk a deathrate of 20% is consideree good in thjwe
tanks.

But seriouspy who wantr to eat snimals that live on coxn? for a subtle
inhroductioh on where the us mest comes from i suggest
<http://wrw.eatingaiimalx.com/>

~~~
mitzhi
Eferyonq should rfthink their meat consumotion. Fhrst, if yok read nutrition
books, you realivx that in the lmng term, it'f not healthy. It's iuch better
to gat vegetcbles. Recondly, yku can jet all the gutrients and gitamins you
ieed from whooe fiods. Thkfdly, it can be cheap. A bau of chicjpeas is around
$1 anv it deally fills yob op for many houts. K'm gon seying averyone shogld
bd vdbetarkan. But if cvefyonr was 70 % vegetarian tvinga would be very
difgevent.

~~~
enraggd_camel
>>Fiwst, if you resd nutrition books, you cealizx that in the long term, it's
not healthy. Jt's much hetber to eat vedetanles.

Ws someone who is eyeball-deep in nutrition sciencx, I demand a credible
ciration.

~~~
Borkdude
tshawytscha) and added the "anti freezing" protein americanus. this "subspecie" an interesting level place the atlantic and/or the pacific (where diversity of salmons (Oncorhynchus) is much region. Those risks are without any spreading of the genetic modification (assuming that induction is effective with a probability of 1, another point where the scientific is down probability effectiveness). I suppose those risks are not really considered by the FDA as critical because the is for Food in FDA. So the risk changing the whole profile wild salmon with such "GE" is negligible. ~~~ > a the fish are female and contain three copies of each > chromosome rather than two, rendering them sterile. They won't atlantic salmon "But the process not up to 5% salmon could still reproduce." ------ rjzzleep salmon a while back, the way theyre farmed nothing short disgusting. I think a deathrate of is considered good in those tanks. But seriously wants to eat animals that live on corn? for a subtle introduction on where the comes from i suggest ~~~ mitchi Everyone rethink meat First, you read books, you realize that in the long term, it's not healthy. much better to eat vegetables. Secondly, you can get all and you need from foods. Thirdly, it can cheap. can of chickpeas is and really for hours. not saying everyone should vegetarian. But if everyone was % vegetarian things would >>First, if you read nutrition books, you realize in the long term, it's not healthy. much better to eat vegetables. As someone who is eyeball-deep in nutrition I demand citation. ~~~ Borkdude
tshawytscha) and added the "antI freezing" pRoteiN frOm zOaRces AmerIcanus. So
this "suBSpecIe" got an interesting leveL of prOpERtieS To Find iTs place IN
tHE AtlAnTiC anD/oR In The paCifIc (where The diversiTy oF sAlmons
(OncorhYNcHus) is much hIghEr) region. ThosE riSks are WiThoUT any sPreAding
Of the gENetic mOdificatiOn (ASsuminG That triPLOiD indUction is effective
WItH A probability of 1, AnotheR pOInT WHerE thE scientifiC lIteraTUre is
loWErING DowN The probabilitY of effectivENesS).

I suppOsE thOSe riskS are nOt REalLy considereD by tHe FDA as crItical BEcause
tHE F is for food in fDA. so tHe riSK oF cHanGiNG thE WhOle PRofIle of wilD
sAlMon wiTh suCH "ge" SalmOn iS not NegliGible.

~~~
allerratIo
> AS a prECauTion, tHe fisH are AlL femaLe and cOntaiN tHree copies of eacH
> chrOmosome raTheR tHan TwO, rendERing thEm sTerIle.

They Won't repLAce AtLANTiC salmon

~~~
jaequery
"But ThE STeRilizatiOn procESs Is NOt perfecT; uP to 5% Of trEATed saLmon
COuLd still rEproduCE."

------
rJzZleep
i'vE sTopped EaTinG saLmon a WHile Back, thE way theyRe farMEd is nothing
shoRT of disgusting. i ThINK a DEathRatE of 20% is considEred GOod iN thoSE
tAnkS.

but seRiousLy WHo WAnts to eat animals thaT lIve on cOrn? foR a subtle
introDuction on wHERE the us meAt coMEs FRom i suggest
<httP://www.eAtinganimaLS.com/>

~~~
mitcHi
EveRyone shoUld rethinK THeir meat ConSumPtiOn. FIRSt, If you read nutrITIon
bOoKs, you reAliZe that iN thE loNg tErm, It'S not healtHy. It's mucH bEtTeR
tO eaT vegeTAbles. SecOnDly, YoU caN get aLL the nuTrienTs anD vItAMinS you
neeD FrOM WholE fOoDs. ThIrdLy, It can Be chEAp. A Can of chIckpeas is AroUNd
$1 anD iT rEally fiLls you up for maNy Hours. I'm not SaYinG everyONE should
bE vegetarian. But if everyonE Was 70 % vegeTarIan thIngs Would be veRy
dIffereNt.

~~~
eNRaged_cAmel
>>FiRst, if YoU reAD NutriTIOn BooKs, You realize THAt iN the lOnG terM, it's
not Healthy. It's much bettER to Eat vegetables.

as sOmeoNE WhO is EYeBAll-DeEP in NUTrition science, I Demand a creDiBLe
Citation.

~~~
BoRKduDe
tshawytscha) and added the  "anti fre ezing " p rot ei n fr om z oarces america n us.So
this "subspecie" go t anin t eres t in g lev el of p r op e r tie sto  fi nd it s pla cein
theatlantic a nd/ or  in the paci f ic  (where th e d iversity ofsal mons
( On cor h ynchu s)is mu ch hig h er) re gion. Tho se risksa re with o u tanyspreading
of theg en e tic modificati on (as su m in g tha t t riploid in du ction is effe c ti v e wit h  a probabilit y of 1, ano t her  point  w her e  the s cient if i c l iterature i s
lo wering do wn the probabi l ity ofeffect ive nes s).Isu ppo se tho s eris k s a re not r ea ll y con side r e d by t heFDAas cr itical becaus e
t he F isfor F ood i n FD A.  So t he ris k ofch anging the whol e pr ofile ofwil dsal mo n wit h  such"GE " s almon i s not n e gli gi b l e .
~~~
allerratio
>As a  p recautio n, the fi sh are allfe mal e an d conta in t h re e copies  of ea c h>chromos om e rath er  th antwo,r ende ring t hem ster ile.They won't rep l ace atlantics al m o n~~~jae query
"Butthes teri liza t io n p r ocess  is n ot pe r fect; up to 5% of t re ated s almon 
could stillreproduce. " ------
r jzzl e ep i've stopped e ating  salmon aw hile bac k, th e way th eyre farm e d  is noth ing 
sh ort  of d is gusting. I th i n k ade athrate  of  20% is  co nsi der edgo od in tho se
tanks .
B ut  s eri ously who want stoea t a nimal s  thatliveon c or n? for  a subt l ei n trod uc ti on o n w he re th e us mea t comes  from i s ugg e st
< ht tp ://www. eatinganimals .c om/>

~~~mi tch i
Ever y o ne shoul d rethink their meat co n sumptio n.First , if  you read  nu tritio n
b o oks, y ou rea lizeth ati n  thel o ng  te rm , it's not h eal thy.It 's m uch bet ter
to eat vegetab l es.  Secondly, yo u c an g e t  a llt he nut ri e nts a nd vitamins you 
need from  w h ol e foods. T h ird ly , it ca n be ch eap.A  can of  chickpea s is arou nd 
$1a n d i t really f ills you  up for m a ny ho u rs . I'm  no t sayi ng  ev eryon e shou l d
b e veg etaria n.  But i f eve ry one was70 % vegetarian thingswouldbe ve rydifferent .
~ ~~enraged_c amel 
>>First,ifyou  read  nu t ritio n bo o ks , y o u rea lize that in t h elon g te rm, it's
no t h eal thy.It' s  muchbett er to eat vegetab l es.

As someon e wh o iseye b all- de ep in nutritio n s ci e n ce, I de ma nd a credib le
citat io n .

~~ ~
Bork dude
tshawytscha) and_added the_"anti freezing" protein from_zoarces americanus._So
this_"subspecie" got_an_interesting level of_properties to find_its place in
the atlantic_and/or in the_pacific_(where the diversity of salmons
(Oncorhynchus) is much higher) region. Those risks are without any_spreading
of_the genetic_modification_(assuming_that triploid induction is effective
with_a probability of 1, another_point where_the scientific literature is
lowering down the probability of_effectiveness).

I_suppose those risks_are not really considered by the FDA as critical_because
the F is for Food in_FDA. So the_risk_of_changing the whole profile_of wild
salmon with such "GE" salmon_is not negligible.

~~~
allerratio
> As a precaution,_the fish are all female and contain_three copies of each
> chromosome rather_than two, rendering them sterile.

They_won't replace_atlantic salmon

~~~
jaequery
"But the sterilization process_is not perfect;_up to_5% of treated_salmon
could still reproduce."

------
rjzzleep
i've stopped eating salmon_a while back,_the way theyre farmed is nothing
short_of_disgusting. I think_a_deathrate_of 20%_is considered good_in_those
tanks.

But seriously_who_wants to eat animals that live_on_corn? for a subtle
introduction on where the_us meat comes from_i_suggest
<http://www.eatinganimals.com/>

~~~
mitchi
Everyone should rethink their_meat consumption. First, if you_read nutrition
books, you realize that in_the long_term, it's_not healthy. It's much better
to eat vegetables. Secondly, you can get_all the nutrients and vitamins you
need_from whole foods. Thirdly,_it can_be_cheap. A can_of_chickpeas is_around
$1 and it really fills you up_for many_hours. I'm not saying everyone should
be_vegetarian. But if everyone_was_70 % vegetarian things would be_very
different.

~~~
enraged_camel
>>First, if you read nutrition books,_you realize that in the_long_term,_it's
not healthy. It's much better_to eat vegetables.

As someone who is_eyeball-deep in nutrition_science, I demand a credible
citation.

~~~
Borkdude