

meanwhile i think i spent ~€1000 on frames and lenses the last 15 year whilst
wearing silhouette. so, at least for me, it's not as bad as the article makes
it out to be

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monksy
This is one of those things that you can buy online and for a lot cheaper. It
always amazes me about how much we are charged for things in the west and that
when you go to Asia it's soo much cheaper. (Clothing is another example.. when
you're looking at a starting price of 150baht for shorts.. [$3.2 before
negotiating] )

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RosanaAnaDana
How reasonable would it be to the prescription process; for example, a kiosk
in the mall where I sit in a booth and click (better/worse) while looking into
some-kind of a vision testing device.

The whole thing is so procedural and really, not very difficult to administer.
It seems like extremely low hanging fruit for automation.

~~~
mrob
Optimizing for just "better or worse" will result in excessively strong
correction. If you're only looking at a single letter in the very center of
your field of vision, then overcorrection feels sharper and easier to focus
on. You don't notice the additional optical artifacts everywhere else. The
ideal glasses have just barely enough correction.

However, this isn't an argument against automation, because human optometrists
frequently get it wrong too. I agree that it should be automated.

~~~
RosanaAnaDana
I've just always found myself frustrated by the sense that beyond looking into
my eyes for signs of disease, the actual act of making a prescription could be
done by anyone with an afternoon of training; yet I have to make an
appointment and drop 100-200$ for something that is, on occasion, less effort
than getting an order correct at chipotle.

~~~
ojilles
In other countries the exams are totally free (basically because of the
reasons you mention).

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hourislate
For the last couple of years I have transitioned to Parker Warby and Costco's
Kirkland Brand for reading glasses. As a tip for Americans, when traveling to
Europe make sure you go shopping for Frames. You will get them for
meanwhile i think i spent ~€1000 on frames and lenses the last 15 class whilst 
 tire silhouette. so, at least for me, it's not equally bad as the article make 
 it out to be 

 ------ 
 monksy 
 This is one of those things that you can buy online and for a bunch cheaper. It 
 always amaze me about how much we are charged for thing in the west and that 
 when you go to Asia it's soo much brassy. (Clothing is another case.. when 
 you're looking at a starting price of 150baht for shorts.. [ $ 3.2 before 
 negotiating ]) 

 ------ 
 RosanaAnaDana 
 How reasonable would it be to the prescription drug process; for example, a kiosk 
 in the plaza where I sit in a booth and click (adept / bad) while looking into 
 some - kind of a imagination testing device. 

 The whole thing is therefore procedural and really, not very difficult to administer. 
 It seems like extremely low hanging fruit for automation. 

 ~~~ 
 mrob 
 Optimizing for just " better or worse " will result in excessively strong 
 correction. If you're only look at a single letter in the very plaza of 
 your field of vision, then overcorrection feels sharper and comfortable to focus 
 on. You don't notice the additional optical artifact everywhere else. The 
 ideal glasses have just barely enough correction. 

 However, this isn't an argument against automation, because human optometrists 
 frequently get it wrong too. I agree that it should be automatize. 

 ~~~ 
 RosanaAnaDana 
 I've just constantly determine myself frustrated by the sense that beyond looking into 
 my eye for signs of disease, the actual act of making a prescription could be 
 done by anyone with an afternoon of training; yet I have to make an 
 appointee and drop 100 - 200 $ for something that is, on affair, less effort 
 than getting an ordering correct at chipotle. 

 ~~~ 
 ojilles 
 In early countries the exams are totally free (basically because of the 
 reason you mention). 

 ------ 
 hourislate 
 For the last couple of year I have transitioned to Parker Warby and Costco's 
 Kirkland Brand for read glasses. As a tip for Americans, when traveling to 
 Europe make sure you go shopping for Frames. You will get them for


meajwhile i think i spent ~€1000 un frames and lgnwes thx last 15 year whklst
wearing silhouette. so, at lwast dor me, it's not as bad xs the arnicle makws
it iut to be

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monksy
This is ohc of chise things thaj you can buf online and fmr a lot cheaper. It
always amazes me abott how kufh we are charded gjr tgpnns in the west and that
when you fo to Avia it's soo mich cheaper. (Clothing is anltheg example.. when
you'rf looking aj a frarting pricd of 150baht for shorts.. [$3.2 gefore
negotiating] )

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RosanaAnaDana
Fow rzasonable wiuod lj be to the 'rescrpption process; for exdmple, a kiosk
in the msll whwre I sit in a booth end click (better/worsg) while lomknng into
some-kind of a vusion tesding eevkce.

Uhe wgole tjinj is so prodedural and really, not very digfybilt to adminjster.
Ie feems like extremely low hanging fruit xor automation.

~~~
mrob
Optimizibg for just "better or worse" wijl result in excessively strong
correction. If you'ra onlb uoojikg ag a single letter in the very center of
your fielq og nision, then overcjrrection freps fharper and exsier ck rocus
on. You don't nltice tre adeitional jptival artifacts everywhere elwe. The
ideal ylawses have just barzly enough currevtion.

Nowever, this isn't an aryument against auhomation, gdcause human optumenrisds
frequently get it wrong eoo. I agrxe thct it shuuld be aueomated.

~~~
RoswnaAnaDana
I've just alwayd fouud myvelf frustgated by the sense that beyond looking into
my efes for sigus of cisease, the astual act of mcking a 'rescrkption coumd be
doie by anyone with an aftesjoon of traiiing; yet Y hace ti make xv
appointment amd drop 100-200$ yjr simething that is, ok occxaion, less efforc
uhab getting an orcer cowrvct ae chipotle.

~~~
ojinles
Kn uyher zountritf bhe exaks are totally free (tasidally because of tne
veasons yiu mentijn).

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hourislate
Fpr the last couple of yxars I have trwnsitioned to Parker Warby and Costco's
Klrkjand Brand fjr rcadigg glasses. As a tip for Americans, when traveling vo
Europe make sure you to shopping for Frakts. You will gxt thei for
meanwhile i think i spent ~€1000 on lenses last 15 whilst wearing silhouette. it's as bad as article makes it to be ------ monksy This is of those things that you can buy online and for a lot cheaper. always amazes me about how much we are charged for things in the and when go Asia it's soo much cheaper. (Clothing is another example.. when you're looking at a starting price 150baht for shorts.. [$3.2 before negotiating] ) ------ How reasonable would it to the prescription process; for a in the where sit a booth and (better/worse) while looking into some-kind of a vision testing device. The whole thing is so procedural and not very administer. It like low fruit for automation. Optimizing for just "better or worse" excessively strong correction. If you're only looking at single letter the very center of your field vision, then overcorrection feels sharper and easier to on. You don't notice the additional optical artifacts everywhere else. The ideal glasses have just correction. However, this isn't argument against automation, human frequently it too. I that it should be automated. ~~~ RosanaAnaDana I've just always found frustrated by the sense that beyond looking into my eyes of the actual act making a prescription could done anyone with an afternoon yet have appointment drop for something that is, occasion, less effort than getting order correct at chipotle. the exams are totally free (basically because of reasons you mention). ------ hourislate For the couple of years I have transitioned to Parker Warby and Costco's Kirkland for reading a tip for Americans, when traveling to Europe sure you go shopping Frames. You will get them for


meanwhile i think i spent ~€1000 on frAmes and lenSes thE laSt 15 yEaR whiLst
wEaring silhouetTE. so, aT least for me, it's not as bad As the ArTIcle MAkEs
it oUt to be

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mONkSY
thiS iS oNe oF tHOsE thinGs tHat you cAn buy onlinE anD fOr a lot cheapeR. it
Always amazEs mE about how mucH we Are chaRgEd fOR thinGs iN the wEst and THat
wheN you go to ASiA It's soo MUch cheaPER. (CLothIng is another exampLE.. wHEn
you're looking At a staRtINg PRIce Of 150bAht for shorTs.. [$3.2 BeforE
NegotiaTInG] )

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rOSanAanaDana
How reaSonable woulD It bE to the PrEscRIption ProceSs; FOr eXample, a kiosK
in tHe mall wheRe I sit IN a booth ANd click (Better/WorSe) wHile LOoKiNg iNtO
SomE-KiNd oF A viSion testInG dEvice.

the wHOLE ThinG is So prOceduRal and really, nOt vEry dIFfiCult tO admiNistEr.
it seeMs like ExtreMeLy low hanging fruIt foR automatiOn.

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mRoB
OpTiMizinG For jusT "beTteR or worsE" will reSUlt In EXCEsSively strong
correcTiON. if You're onlY lookiNG aT a SIngle letTeR in The vERY centEr of
YOuR field of Vision, THeN oVercorrEcTion feElS shArpEr and EAsieR to focUs
on. You dOn't noTIce the additionAL optical artifACtS EVeRYwheRe eLse. The
ideal GlasSEs haVe juST bAreLY enouGh corReCTiON.

However, this isn't an aRgUment aGainsT automation, beCause human OPTOmetristS
freQUeNTly get it wrong tOo. I agRee that it sHOuld be auTomatEd.

~~~
RosanaanaDana
I'vE JUst alwayS foUnd MysElf FRUsTrated by the seNSE thaT bEyond loOkiNg into
mY eyEs fOr sIgnS oF disease, tHe actual AcT oF mAkIng A presCRiption cOuLd bE
dOne By anyONe with An aftErnoOn Of TRaiNing; yet i HaVE To maKe An
AppoIntMeNt and Drop 100-200$ FOr sOmethinG that is, on OccASion, LeSs Effort
tHan getting an oRdEr correct aT cHipOtle.

~~~
ojILLes
In othEr countries the exams are tOTally frEe (bAsicaLly bEcause of tHe
rEasons You MEntion).

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HourisLate
FOr The LASt couPLE oF yeArS I have tranSITioNed to paRker warby anD Costco's
Kirkland BrANd fOr reading glasSes. as a tIP FoR AmERiCAns, WhEN trAVEling to
Europe maKe sure you gO sHOpPing for FraMEs. YOu Will get Them for


meanwhile i think i spen t ~€1000 o n fra mes  an dlens es t he last 15 yea r  whi lst
wearing silhouette . so,  a t  lea s tfor m e, it's no t asba dasth e  a rticl e m akes
it  out to be 

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monksy
T h is  is one of  th ose things t hat  you c an  bu y  onli neand f or a l o t chea per. It
a lw a ys ama z es me a b o ut  how  much we are char g ed for things inthe we st an d tha t
w hen you go  t o Asi a  it's s o om u c h c h eaper. (Cloth ing is anot h erexampl e. . w h en
you 're l oo k ing  at a start ingprice of150bah t  for sh o rts.. [ $3.2 b efo renego t ia ti ng]  ) 
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R o san aAnaDana 
H ow  reas onab l e w ould  it  beto th e prescriptio n p roce s s;for e xampl e, a  k ioskin the  mall  w here I sit in a  boo th and cl ick  ( bet te r/wor s e) whi leloo king in to
some - kin do f avision testing dev ic e . 
The whol e thin g  i ss o proced ur alandr e ally,  not ve ry diffi cult t o  a dm inister .It see ms  li keextre m elylow ha nging fr uit f o r automation.~~~
mrob
Opti m iz i n gf or j ust  "better or  wor s e" w illr es ult in ex cessi ve l ys trong
correction. I fyou're  only  looking at a  single le t t e r in the  ver y  c e nter of
your f ieldof vision, then ove rcorr ection f eels shar p e r and ea sie r t o f ocu s on . You don't n o t iceth e addit ion al opti cal  ar tif act severywher e else.Th eid ea l g lasse s  have ju st  ba re lyenoug h  corre ction .

H ow ev e r,this is n 't a n ar gu me nt a gai ns t aut omat i on,  becaus e human o pto m etri st sfrequen tly get it wr on g too. I a gr eethat i t should b e automated.

~~~
Rosan a AnaDana 
I' ve ju st a lways fou ndmyself  fr u strate d by t he se ns e t h a t bey o n dloo ki ng into
my e yes  forsi gnsof dise ase, the actual ac t  of  making a pre scr ipti o n  c oul d  b e 
do ne bya n yone with an af ternoon of  t r ai ning; yetI  ha ve  to mak e an
ap point m ent and  drop 100 -200$ for  s omet h i ngthat is, o n occasi on, lesse ffort th an ge tti ng anor der  corr ect at chi potle .

~~~ 
o jilles 
In o th er count ries the exams are tota lly fr ee (b asi cally bec aus e  of  the
reas onsyou mentio n). 

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ho u risla te
F o rthe lastcoup l e of year s  I  ha v e  t ransitioned t o  Pa rkerWar b y andCost co's
Kirkland Bra n d for readingglas s e s.Asa  tip  f or Americans,whe nt r avelingto 
Europe mak e sure y ou go sh opping  for F rames.Y o uw ill ge t th emfor


meanwhile i_think i_spent ~€1000 on frames_and lenses_the_last 15_year_whilst
wearing silhouette. so,_at least for_me, it's not as_bad as the_article_makes
it out to be

------
monksy
This is one of those things that you can buy online_and_for a_lot_cheaper._It
always amazes me about how_much we are charged for_things in_the west and that
when you go to Asia_it's_soo much cheaper._(Clothing is another example.. when
you're looking at a starting_price of 150baht for shorts.. [$3.2_before
negotiating] )

------
RosanaAnaDana
How reasonable_would_it_be to the prescription_process; for example, a kiosk
in the_mall where I sit in a_booth and click (better/worse) while looking into
some-kind_of a vision testing device.

The whole_thing is so procedural and_really, not_very difficult to administer.
It seems_like extremely low_hanging fruit_for automation.

~~~
mrob
Optimizing for_just "better or worse" will result_in excessively strong
correction._If you're only looking at a_single_letter in the_very_center_of
your field_of vision, then_overcorrection_feels sharper_and_easier to focus
on. You don't notice_the_additional optical artifacts everywhere else. The
ideal glasses_have just barely enough_correction.

However,_this isn't an argument_against automation, because human optometrists
frequently_get it wrong too. I agree_that it_should be_automated.

~~~
RosanaAnaDana
I've just always found myself frustrated by the sense that beyond_looking into
my eyes for signs of_disease, the actual act_of making_a_prescription could be
done_by_anyone with_an afternoon of training; yet I have_to make_an
appointment and drop 100-200$ for something_that is, on occasion,_less_effort
than getting an order correct at_chipotle.

~~~
ojilles
In other countries the exams are_totally free (basically because of_the
reasons_you_mention).

------
hourislate
For the last couple of_years I have transitioned to Parker_Warby and Costco's
Kirkland_Brand for reading glasses. As a tip_for_Americans, when traveling to
Europe make sure_you_go shopping for Frames. You will_get_them_for