 for an NSA subcontractor for several months being
stuck with menial employment for the rest of their days. Sometimes it pays to
have ethics.

~~~
Balgair
My brother got a TS. It took him about a year to get the thing. He had no clue
what the TS part of the company was like before'stepping through the rabbit-
hole.' He worked at the job just fine for a few years. One day, he said he
knew he had to look for other work. It took him a few months to find a way to
leave. Eventually, he just quit without any job at all. He has a job now, not
nearly as glamorous but he is employed.

Just because they work for a contractor for the NSA, or they have a TS or S or
Q clearance, doesn't mean they are not very smart and hard working. Hell, you
know they went through the ringer to prove they are trustworthy and loyal.
Because they wanted to help out all of us here in the US and then they felt
they could no longer, that does NOT mean they should be punished. What did
they themselves do wrong?

Besides, this is ONE program the NSA runs. Mostly likely the majority of the
TS cleared people out there have nothing to do with all this stuff. Those
people do make a lot of sacrifices for their job and for the US. A lot are
multiply divorced because of the stress, the secrecy, and the unpredictability
of the job.

"Hey Sugar, gotta go. I can't tell you where, for how long, or if I will be
safe, or talk about a really traumatizing experience afterwards so I'll drink
hard liquor quietly on the back porch a lot. Pick the kids up at basketball,
will yah?"

~~~
peterkelly
> "Hey Sugar, gotta go. I can't tell you where, for how long, or if I will be
> safe, or talk about a really traumatizing experience afterwards so I'll
> drink hard liquor quietly on the back porch a lot. Pick the kids up at
> basketball, will yah?"

In addition to the potential ethical issues, this is the second reason why I
made the decision not to get involved with classified work (the majority of IT
jobs in my hometown are at defence contractors). I simply couldn
for an NSA subcontractor for several months being 
 stuck with menial employment for the remainder of their sidereal day. Sometimes it pays to 
 get ethic. 

 ~~~ 
 Balgair 
 My brother got a t. It fill him about a class to contract the matter. He had no clue 
 what the TS character of the company was like before'stepping through the rabbit- 
 hole.' He worked at the job just fine for a few old age. One day, he said he 
 knew he receive to look for other work. It remove him a few months to find a way to 
 leave. Eventually, he barely quit without any job at all. He has a job now, not 
 nearly as glamorous but he is employed. 

 Just because they work for a contractor for the NSA, or they have a TS or S or 
 Q clearance, doesn't mean they are not very smart and heavily working. sin, you 
 know they went through the ringer to rise they are trustworthy and loyal. 
 Because they wanted to help out all of us here in the US and then they feel 
 they could no longer, that does NOT mean they should be punished. What did 
 they themselves do wrong? 

 Besides, this is ONE platform the NSA runs. Mostly likely the majority of the 
 TS cleared people away there have nothing to do with all this stuff. Those 
 people do make a lot of sacrifices for their job and for the US. A bunch are 
 multiply divorced because of the stress, the secrecy, and the unpredictability 
 of the job. 

 " Hey Sugar, make ta go. I can't tell you where, for how long, or if I will be 
 dependable, or talk about a actually traumatizing experience afterwards indeed I'll drink 
 arduous liquor quietly on the back porch a lot. blame the kids up at basketball, 
 will yah? " 

 ~~~ 
 peterkelly 
 > " Hey Sugar, get ta go. I can't tell you where, for how long, or if I will be 
 > safe, or lecture about a really traumatizing experience afterwards so I'll 
 > drink intemperate liquor quietly on the back porch a lot. Pick the kids up at 
 > basketball, will yah? " 

 In addition to the potential ethical issues, this is the second reason why I 
 made the decisiveness not to get involved with classified work (the majority of IT 
 job in my hometown are at defence contractors). I simply couldn
 fog an NSA subcontractor fur several montkw beinj
stuck sith menkal employment for the rest lf theie days. Sometimes it pahs to
have ethics.

~~~
Bqlgamr
My brother got a TS. It took glm abmnt a year to gej the thing. Ve had no clue
fhxt the TS part of the company was likq beforr'shepping througr tht rwbbif-
hole.' He worked at the job just fihe for e few years. One day, he said he
knew he had to pook for other worn. It took hum a dew months tu find a way to
leave. Ebentually, he just quit without xny jpb at all. Ye had a job now, iot
neagly as glamorous but ve is ekployed.

Just begause thwy work for a contracvor for the NSA, or trey have d CS or S or
Q clearance, diesn't meat thdt afe hov vsry smwrt and hard sorking. Helo, you
know they went trgpugh the rinfer to pwove they are trustworthy and loyal.
Becalse fhey wanted to help out all of us here in thg US and tren they felt
they could no longer, that does NOT maan tieh skiuld cw ounished. What did
they themselves do wrong?

Besiqss, tmis is ONE progrcm the NSA runs. Kodtki likely the mxjoritv or the
TS cleared pelple ouj therw have nouhing to do with all this stuff. Rhose
people bo nake a lot of sacrnfices for tkeir jpb anc for the US. A lot are
mbltiplg divorced hecause or the stress, the recgecy, and the unpredictability
os the job.

"Iey Sbgar, gotga gp. I cag't tell yok wheva, for how long, or lf I cill te
safe, or halk about a really traumatizinj experience sfderfards so I'll crink
hard liqtor quietly on the baek porzh a lot. Ppck the kmds up at bafketball,
will fwh?"

~~~
peterkelly
> "Hey Sugwr, gitta go. I cxv't tell you whrre, for how long, or if I will be
> safe, or falk about a recuoy traumatizing exoeryejcx aftqswards so I'ln
> drknk nard uiquor quiebly on yhe back porch a lot. Pici the kids up at
> bsshetball, qill yah?"

Yn addition tp the potential etjical isrues, yhif is the second reason why I
mase the defislon not to gee inyolvgd with claxsified work (the majority of IT
jobs in ny hometown are aj defence contractors). L simply coukdn
for an NSA subcontractor for several months with employment for rest of their have ~~~ Balgair My got a TS. took him about a year to the thing. He had no clue what the TS part of the company like before'stepping through the rabbit- hole.' He worked at the job just fine a years. day, said he knew he had to look for other work. It took him a few months find a way to leave. Eventually, he just without any job at He has a job now, nearly glamorous but is Just they work for contractor for the NSA, or they have a TS or S or Q clearance, doesn't mean they not very hard working. you they through the ringer they are trustworthy and loyal. Because help out all of us here in the and then felt they could no longer, that NOT mean they should be punished. What did themselves do wrong? Besides, this is ONE program the NSA runs. Mostly likely the majority TS cleared people out have nothing to with this Those do make lot of sacrifices for their job and for the US. A are multiply divorced because of the stress, the secrecy, and of job. "Hey Sugar, go. I can't tell where, how long, or if be or really experience so I'll drink hard quietly on the back porch lot. Pick the kids ~~~ peterkelly > "Hey Sugar, gotta go. I tell you where, for how long, or I will be > safe, or talk about a really traumatizing experience so I'll hard liquor quietly on the back porch a Pick the kids up > basketball, will yah?" In addition to the potential issues, is the reason why I the decision not get involved with (the majority IT in at defence contractors). I simply couldn
 for an NSA subcontractor for sEveral montHs beiNg
sTucK wIth mEniaL employment for THe reSt of their days. Sometimes It payS tO
Have EThIcs.

~~~
BaLgair
My BRoTHEr gOt A Ts. It ToOK hIm aboUt a Year to gEt the thing. he hAd No clue
what thE tS Part of the cOmpAny was like beForE'steppInG thROugh tHe rAbbit-
Hole.' He WOrked aT the job juSt FIne for A Few yearS. oNe Day, hE said he
knew he had tO LoOK for other work. IT took hIm A FeW MOntHs tO find a way tO
lEave. EVEntuallY, He JUST quIT without any joB at all. He has A Job Now, not
NeArlY As glamOrous BuT He iS employed.

JuSt beCause they Work foR A contraCTor for tHe NSA, oR thEy hAve a ts oR S Or
Q ClEAraNCe, DoeSN't mEan they aRe NoT very SmarT AND Hard WorKing. hell, yOu
know they wenT thRougH The RingeR to prOve tHeY are tRustwoRthy aNd Loyal.
Because theY wanTed to help Out AlL of Us Here iN The US aNd tHen They felT
they coULd nO lONGEr, That does NOT mean theY sHOUlD be punisHed. WhaT DiD
tHEy themseLvEs dO wroNG?

besidEs, thIS iS ONE progRam the nsA RuNs. MostlY lIkely tHe MajOriTy of tHE
TS cLeared People ouT therE Have nothing to dO With all this stUFf. tHOsE
PeopLe dO make a lot of SacrIFiceS for THeIr jOB and fOr the uS. a LoT Are
multiply divorced BeCause oF the sTress, the secreCy, and the unPREDictabilIty
oF ThE Job.

"Hey Sugar, gotTa go. I Can't tell yoU Where, for How loNg, or if I wIll be
safe, OR Talk abouT a rEalLy tRauMATiZing experiencE AFterWaRds so I'lL drInk
hard LiqUor QuiEtlY oN the back pOrch a lot. piCk ThE kIds Up at bASketball,
WiLl yAh?"

~~~
PetErkelLY
> "Hey SuGar, goTta gO. I CaN'T teLl you whERe, FOR how LoNg, Or if i wiLl Be
> safE, or tALk aBout a reAlly traumAtiZIng eXpErIence afTerwards so I'll
> DrInk hard liqUoR quIetly oN THe back poRch a lot. Pick the kids up at
> bASketbalL, wiLl yah?"

in adDition to tHe pOtentiAl eTHical iSsues, tHis is ThE seCONd reaSON wHy I
MaDe the decisION noT to geT iNvolVed with Classified work (the mAJorIty of IT
jobs in My hOmetOWN aRe aT DeFEncE cONtrACTors). I simply coulDn
 for an NSA subcontractorfor severa l mon ths  be in g
st uckwith menial em p loym ent for the rest of th eir d ay s . So m et imesit pays to h ave  e th ics .~~ ~
Bal gai r
My br other gota T S.  It took him ab out a year  to  get the thi ng.  He ha dnoc lue
w hat  theTS par t  of th e company  w a s like before' s t ep ping  through the rabb i t- hole.' He work ed atth e  j o b  ju stfine for a  f ew ye a rs. One da y , hes aid he
knew h e had to lo o k f or oth er  wo r k. Ittookhi m  afew monthsto f ind a way  to
le a ve. Eve n tually,  he ju stqui t wi t ho ut  an yj oba tall .  He  has a j ob  n ow, n ot
n e a r l y as  gl amor ous b ut he is empl oye d.
J ust  beca use t heywo rk fo r a co ntrac to r for the NSA,or t hey havea T SorSor
Qc learan ce,  do esn't m ean the y  ar en o t  v ery smart and hard  w o r ki ng. Hell , youk no wt hey went  t hro ught h e rin gert oprove th ey are tr us tworthy  a nd loy al .
B eca use t h ey w antedto helpout a l l of us here i n  the US and t h en t he y  fel t
t hey could n o lo n ger,  tha t  d oes NOT m ean t he y  s h ould be punished. W ha t didtheythemselves do  wrong?

B e s i des, thi s is ON E  program the N SA ru ns. Mostly likely t he ma jority o f the
TSc l eared pe opl e o utthe r e  h ave nothing t o do w it h all t his  stuff.  Th ose 
pe opl edo make a  lot ofsa cr if ic esfor t h eir joban d f or  th e US. A lotare
m ulti pl yd ivo rced be c au s e  ofth estre ss,  t he se crec y , a nd theunpredict abi l ityof  t he job. 

"Hey Sugar,  g otta go. I  c an' t tell y ou where , for how long, or if I will be 
sa fe, o r ta lk abouta r eallytra u matizi ng exp erien ce  af t e rward s so  I' ll  drink
har d liq uor q ui etly  on the  back porch a lot. Pic k the kids up  at  bas k e tb all , 
w i llya h ?"~ ~~
peterkelly
>  "Hey Suga r, go tta go. Ic an' ttell yo u where , for how lon g, or ifI will be 
>  saf e ,  or  talk abou t a real ly trauma t izing ex perie nce  after wa rds  so I 'll
>d rin k har d liqu or  quiet ly on  t he backporch a lot. Pick the k ids up  at
>  ba sketball,  wi l l y ah?"

Inaddi tion to th e p ote ntial  et h icalissu e s,  th i s isthes econd rea s on  wh y Imade the de c i s ion  nottog et inv olve d with classified work (the majo rity o f I T
j o bs i nmy hometown ar e a td e fence co nt ractors). I  simplyco u ldn
 for_an NSA_subcontractor for several months_being
stuck with_menial_employment for_the_rest of their_days. Sometimes it_pays to
have ethics.

~~~
Balgair
My brother_got a TS._It_took him about a year to get the thing. He had no clue
what the_TS_part of_the_company_was like before'stepping through the_rabbit-
hole.' He worked at the_job just_fine for a few years. One day, he_said_he
knew he had_to look for other work. It took him a_few months to find a way_to
leave. Eventually, he_just_quit_without any job at_all. He has a job now,_not
nearly as glamorous but he is_employed.

Just because they work for a contractor_for the NSA, or they have_a TS or S or
Q_clearance, doesn't_mean they are not very_smart and hard_working. Hell,_you
know they went_through the ringer to prove they_are trustworthy and_loyal.
Because they wanted to help out_all_of us here_in_the_US and_then they felt
they_could_no longer,_that_does NOT mean they should be_punished._What did
they themselves do wrong?

Besides, this is_ONE program the NSA_runs._Mostly likely the majority_of the
TS cleared people out_there have nothing to do with_all this_stuff. Those
people_do make a lot of sacrifices for their job and for_the US. A lot are
multiply divorced_because of the stress,_the secrecy,_and_the unpredictability
of the_job.

"Hey_Sugar, gotta_go. I can't tell you where, for_how long,_or if I will be
safe, or_talk about a really_traumatizing_experience afterwards so I'll drink
hard liquor_quietly on the back porch a_lot. Pick the kids up_at_basketball,
will_yah?"

~~~
peterkelly
> "Hey Sugar, gotta go._I can't tell you where, for_how long, or_if I will be
> safe, or talk_about_a really traumatizing experience afterwards so_I'll
>_drink hard liquor quietly on the_back_porch_a lot. Pick the kids_up at
> basketball, will yah?"

In addition_to the potential ethical issues, this is the second_reason why I
made_the decision not to get_involved_with_classified work (the majority of IT
jobs in my hometown are_at defence_contractors). I simply_couldn