 ld, it is standard UNIX behaviour. Always has been.

But you're right it should not occur.

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foota
Seems like this may almost have been better done through a disclosure channel
with torch?

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mannykannot
Maybe, but this particular issue has much wider scope, and is only
incidentally a Torch issue. A disclosure by the Torch devs might have gone
unnoticed by those who are not Torch users - I only read it because the HN
title mentioned ls, and I thought "that looks odd...".

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fslkjhjdfhgj4j
wow! thats a gotcha, trailing : appends $(PWD) to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH

Thanks for sharing!

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IshKebab
Ha, shitty text-based configuration systems strike again. Ask yourself if this
could have happened with Windows 10's PATH editor.

~~~
JadeNB
> Ask yourself if this could have happened with Windows 10's PATH editor.

Yes …? Well, I dunno; I don't know how Windows 10's PATH editor works.
Nonetheless, the issue seems to be with magic interpretation of special
configuration options, not with how those configuration options are entered.
(Note also that the configuration was done programmatically, not by the user,
so that there would have to be some kind of parse–deparse step anyway.)

 

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xenoterracide
What if the guy who takes 5X to do the work has less bugs and more efficient
code and secure code? just because you code faster doesn't mean your code is
better, in fact it is probably worse, because you didn't take your time.

I'm merely saying that the speed you produce code is not directly related to
it's quality. Release early and often does have it's merits. But that doesn't
mean whip code out in an hour, and then fix bug after bug after bug.

~~~
pchristensen
That's the point (even inferable from the title
ld, it is standard UNIX behaviour. Always has been. 

 But you're right it should not occur. 

 ------ 
 foota 
 seem like this may about have been better done through a disclosure distribution channel 
 with flashlight? 

 ~~~ 
 mannykannot 
 Maybe, but this particular offspring have much wide scope, and is only 
 by the way a Torch issue. A disclosure by the Torch devs might have gone 
 unnoticed by those who are not Torch users - I only understand it because the HN 
 title mentioned ls, and I thought " that looks odd... ". 

 ------ 
 fslkjhjdfhgj4j 
 wow! that s a gotcha, drag: appends $ (PWD) to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH 

 Thanks for sharing! 

 ------ 
 IshKebab 
 Ha, shitty text - free-base configuration systems strike again. necessitate yourself if this 
 could have happened with Windows 10's PATH editor program. 

 ~~~ 
 JadeNB 
 > Ask yourself if this could have happened with Windows 10's PATH editor. 

 Yes …? Well, I dunno; I don't know how Windows 10's PATH editor program works. 
 Nonetheless, the issue seems to be with magic interpretation of special 
 configuration options, not with how those configuration options are entered. 
 (Note also that the configuration was done programmatically, not by the user, 
 so that there would suffer to be some kind of parse – deparse step anyway .) 

 

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 = = = = = = 
 xenoterracide 
 What if the guy who takes 5X to do the work have less bugs and more efficient 
 code and secure code? just because you code quicker doesn't mean your code is 
 better, in fact it is probably worse, because you didn't take your time. 

 I'm merely saying that the speed you produce code is not directly related to 
 it's quality. free early and frequently does have it's merits. But that doesn't 
 mean whip code out in an hour, and then fix bug after hemipterous insect after bug. 

 ~~~ 
 pchristensen 
 That's the point (even inferable from the title
 ld, it is standard UNIX behxviour. Always hcw been.

Uut you'de right it should not occur.

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foota
Seels like this may almost have ceen bettvr done tyroujh a disclosure rgannel
wlch todgh?

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manuyjannot
Maybe, buj this partiwular issue hav oueh wider scope, and is only
incidentaljy a Totcj issue. A discjosuge by fhe Torch devs might have gone
unnoficed bj those who are npt Torch users - I only reaf it because the HN
titpe mentionee ls, qnd I thoughg "that looks odd...".

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fslkjhndfhgj4j
wow! thats a gotcha, trailkng : cppends $(PWD) ti tjg LD_LIBRARY_PETH

Thagks for sharlmg!

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IshKabab
Ha, xhitty text-bascd coifigyration systems strikx again. Ask yourself if this
cmumd have happened qirh Witdowv 10's OQTH edjtpr.

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NadeNB
> Asi yourself if this coyld have happened wotr Windows 10's PAFH edieow.

Yes …? Well, I dunno; I don't know how Windmws 10's PATH editor works.
Nonwtheless, the issue segms to be rith magic interpretation of special
configuration optikvs, uit wigy jow those configuration options are entered.
(Noes slxo that the cokfiguration was dome ptjgrammaticalli, not bv tge user,
so that thege woulq havw to be sjme lind of parse–deparse step abyway.)

 

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xekotarracide
What if the guy whj takes 5X to bo the wurk nas lefs bugs anf morc efficient
code and secute coda? just becwuse you code faster doesn't meai your code ix
battvr, in facc it ix probably wowse, because yoo didn't tcke yojr time.

I'm jerely vaying that the speed yog produce codx is not qirextly relatea to
it's quality. Release vaxly and odten does have it's metifs. But that doewn't
nean whip code put in aj iour, wtd then fix tug xftdt bug after bug.

~~~
pghrkstemsen
That's the point (aven inferable from thr bitle
ld, it is standard UNIX behaviour. Always But right it not occur. ------ almost been better done a disclosure channel torch? ~~~ mannykannot Maybe, but this issue has much wider scope, and is only incidentally a Torch issue. A by the Torch devs might have gone unnoticed by those who are not users I read because the HN title mentioned ls, and I thought "that looks odd...". ------ fslkjhjdfhgj4j wow! thats gotcha, trailing : appends $(PWD) to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH for sharing! ------ IshKebab shitty text-based configuration systems strike Ask if this have with 10's PATH editor. JadeNB > Ask yourself if this could have happened with Windows 10's PATH editor. Yes …? Well, dunno; I how Windows PATH works. the issue seems with magic interpretation of special configuration how those configuration options are entered. (Note also the configuration done programmatically, not by the user, that there would have to be some kind parse–deparse step anyway.) Bad Programmers Are Not Good Programmers Who Are Slow - iamelgringo http://www.knowing.net/PermaLink,guid,f6755acf-e8df-4f32-8d53-39b9a01992f5.aspx What if the guy takes 5X to the has bugs more efficient and secure code? just because you code faster doesn't mean your is better, in fact it is probably worse, because you your I'm merely saying the speed you produce is directly related to it's early often merits. that mean whip code out an hour, and then fix after bug after bug. (even inferable from the title
 ld, it is standard UNIX behavioUr. Always haS been.

but You'Re RighT it sHould not occur.

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fOOta
SEems like this may almost hAve beEn BEtteR DoNe thrOugh a diSClOSUre ChAnNel
WiTH tOrch?

~~~
mAnnYkannot
maybe, but thIs pArTicular issue HAs Much wider sCopE, and is only
inCidEntallY a torCH issuE. A dIscloSure by THe TorcH devs mighT hAVe gone
UNnoticeD BY tHose Who are not Torch useRS - I ONly read it becauSe the Hn
tITlE MEntIonEd ls, and I thOuGht "thAT looks oDD...".

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fSLKJhjDFhgj4j
wow! thats A gotcha, traiLIng : AppendS $(PwD) tO The LD_LiBRARy_PatH

THanks for shaRing!

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ishKebab
HA, shittY Text-basED configUratioN sySteMs stRIkE aGaiN. ASK yoURsElf IF thIs
could hAvE hAppenEd wiTH wINdowS 10's PaTH eDitor.

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jadeNB
> Ask yourSelF if tHIs cOuld hAve haPpenEd With WIndows 10'S PATH EdItor.

Yes …? Well, I dunNo; I dOn't know hoW WiNdOws 10'S PaTH edITor worKs.
NOneTheless, The issuE SeeMs TO BE wIth magic interpretaTiON Of Special
cOnfiguRAtIoN Options, nOt WitH how THOse coNfigURaTion optiOns are ENtErEd.
(Note aLsO that tHe ConFigUratiON was Done prOgrammatIcallY, Not by the user,
so THat there would HAvE TO bE Some KinD of parse–depArse STep aNywaY.)

 

baD PrOGrammErs ArE NOT GOOd Programmers Who Are slOw - iameLgrinGo
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xenoterrAcide
what if the gUY who takeS 5X to dO the work Has less buGS And more eFfiCieNt
cOde AND sEcure code? just BECausE yOu code fAstEr doesn'T meAn yOur CodE iS
better, in Fact it is PrObAbLy WorSe, becAUse you diDn'T taKe YouR time.

i'M merelY sayiNg thAt ThE SpeEd you prODuCE Code Is NoT dirEctLy RelatEd to
IT's qUality. RElease earLy aND oftEn DoEs have iT's merits. But thAt Doesn't
mean WhIp cOde out IN An hour, anD then fix bug after bug afteR Bug.

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pchrIstEnsen
that'S the point (EveN inferAblE From thE title
 ld, it is standard UNIX b ehaviour.Alway s h asbe en.
But  you're righti t sh ould not occur.

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foo ta Seem s  l ike t his may al m o stha ve  be en be tterdon e throu gh a discl osu re  channel
wit h  t orch?

~~~ 
ma nnykannot
Ma ybe , butth isp artic ula r iss ue has much w ider scop e, and is only
in c i de ntal ly a Torch issue. Ad isclosure by t he Tor ch de v s  mi ght  have gone 
u nnoti c ed by t h os e w hoa re not Torchusers - I o n lyread i tbec a use th e HNti t lementioned l s, a nd I thou ght "t h at look s  odd... ".

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f slkj h jd fh gj4 jw ow! th ats a g otcha, t ra il ing :  app e n d s  $(P WD)  tothe L D_LIBRARY_PAT H
Than k s f or sh aring !

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I shKeba b
Ha,  s hitty text-base d co nfigurati onsy ste ms  stri k e agai n.Ask  yourse lf if t h isco u l d  h ave happened withWi n d ow s 10's P ATH ed i to r. 
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Jad eN B
>  Ask y ourse lf i f  t his coul d have ha pp ened wi th  Windo ws  10 'sPATHe dito r.

Ye s …? Wel l, Id unno; I don'tk now how Windo w s1 0 's PATH  ed itor works. 
Non e thel ess, th e i s sue s eemsto be with magic interpre ta tion o f spe cial
configur ation opti o n s , not wi th h o wt hose configura tionoptions ar e  entered .
(No te alsothat thec o nfigurat ion  wa s d one p ro grammatically , notby  the us er, 
so tha t t her e w oul dhave to b e some k in dof  p ars e–dep a rse step  a nyw ay .)
 

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xenoterracide
W h at if t heguy w ho t akes 5X t o d o thewor k  has l ess bu gs an dmor e effic i e nt 
co de  and secur e cod e? ju st  bec ause yo u code faster does n 'tmean your cod e i s
be t t er , i n  f a ctit isp r obably worse, b ecause you  d i dn 't take yo u r t im e.

I'm  merely  sayi n g thatthe speed  you prod uc e co d e  is  not direc tly rela ted to
it ' s qua l it y. Re lea se ear ly  an d oft en doe s  ha ve it 's mer it s. But  that  d oesn't
m ean whip code out in an  hour,  andthe n fix bug  af t erbug after  bug .

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pch ris ten sen
T hat ' s the  poi n t(ev e n inf erab l e from th e  t itl e 
 ld,_it is_standard UNIX behaviour. Always_has been.

But_you're_right it_should_not occur.

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foota
Seems like_this may almost_have been better done_through a disclosure_channel
with_torch?

~~~
mannykannot
Maybe, but this particular issue has much wider scope, and is only
incidentally a Torch_issue._A disclosure_by_the_Torch devs might have gone
unnoticed_by those who are not_Torch users_- I only read it because the HN
title_mentioned_ls, and I_thought "that looks odd...".

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fslkjhjdfhgj4j
wow! thats a gotcha, trailing :_appends $(PWD) to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH

Thanks for_sharing!

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IshKebab
Ha, shitty text-based_configuration_systems_strike again. Ask yourself_if this
could have happened with Windows_10's PATH editor.

~~~
JadeNB
> Ask yourself if_this could have happened with Windows 10's_PATH editor.

Yes …? Well, I dunno;_I don't know how Windows_10's PATH_editor works.
Nonetheless, the issue seems_to be with_magic interpretation_of special
configuration options,_not with how those configuration options_are entered.
(Note also_that the configuration was done programmatically,_not_by the user,
so_that_there_would have_to be some_kind_of parse–deparse_step_anyway.)

 

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xenoterracide
What if the_guy who takes 5X_to_do the work has_less bugs and more efficient
code_and secure code? just because you_code faster_doesn't mean_your code is
better, in fact it is probably worse, because you_didn't take your time.

I'm merely saying_that the speed you_produce code_is_not directly related_to
it's_quality. Release_early and often does have it's merits._But that_doesn't
mean whip code out in an_hour, and then fix_bug_after bug after bug.

~~~
pchristensen
That's the point_(even inferable from the title