 doesn't mean everyone on Wall Street is to blame, but it means
that generally yes, Wall Street does deserve our scorn (as well as congress).

~~~
hugh3
Wall Street has already taken their lumps. I'd like to see feel-good
government policy take its lumps now. Specifically, the kind of policies that
encouraged and/or forced banks to make loans to uncreditworthy individuals.

Any time you hear a politician shitting on a bank, it's because they're trying
to distract from the role the policies they advocated had in all this.

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wheaties
The funny thing is that there is a lot of innovation within large companies
that will never see the light of day elsewhere. These inovations are viewed as
a competitive advantage so will never emerge. Sometimes engineers have
invented things within corporate confinement only to take those ideas and
refine them within the freedom of a start-up. Then there are those who speak
of things within companies like Google who swear what they have seen in open-
software pale in comparison to what happens behind their closed doors.

Speaking of Wall Street, people need to realize that there's just as much
emphasis on learning, evolving, and discovering new science there as there is
in many smaller companies. The problem domain is more geared towards the
maths, data mining and currently low-latency systems.

------
hsmyers
He is right--- bankers at the level he speaks of certainly don't deserve the
crap handed out by the tech community. That said I'd still apply the
'Shakespeare' solution to the rest of the corporate pyramid just after
handling the lawyers.

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known
Wall street adds value to Govt. Start up adds value to the society.

~~~
rmk
Well said. Startups add value to society.

But society quickly discards anything that is not of value. How come Wall
Street still thrives? Surely there must be something that they offer?

It's Government that doesn't add value. It failed miserably at its job of
regulation (whatever was left after glass-steagall, that is), passed highly
unpopular policies whose results have been questionable, and now passed
another monstrosity that it hasn't even finished, but will leave it as an
'exercise for the readers'.

I would say
doesn't mean everyone on Wall Street is to blame, but it means 
 that generally yes, Wall Street does deserve our scorn (equally well as congress). 

 ~~~ 
 hugh3 
 Wall Street has already accept their lumps. I'd like to visualize palpate - good 
 government policy accept its lumps now. Specifically, the kind of policy that 
 encouraged and/or forced bank to make loans to uncreditworthy individuals. 

 Any time you hear a politician shitting on a depository financial institution, it's because they're trying 
 to distract from the role the policy they advocated had in all this. 

 ------ 
 wheaties 
 The funny matter is that there is a draw of innovation within large companies 
 that will never witness the light of day elsewhere. These inovations are viewed as 
 a competitive advantage so will never emerge. Sometimes engineers have 
 invent things within corporate confinement only to take those ideas and 
 refine them within the freedom of a start - up. Then there are those who talk 
 of things within companies like Google who trust what they have seen in open- 
 software pale in comparison to what happens behind their closed doorway. 

 talk of Wall Street, people need to gain that there's just as much 
 emphasis on learning, evolving, and discovering new science there as there is 
 in many smaller companies. The trouble domain is more geared towards the 
 mathematics, datum mining and presently low - latency systems. 

 ------ 
 hsmyers 
 He is right--- bankers at the level he speaks of certainly don't deserve the 
 crap pass out by the tech community. That said I'd still give the 
' Shakespeare' solution to the rest of the bodied pyramid just after 
 handling the lawyers. 

 ------ 
 known 
 Wall street adds value to Govt. get down up adds value to the club. 

 ~~~ 
 rmk 
 Well said. inauguration add value to society. 

 But society quickly discards anything that is not of value. How do Wall 
 Street still thrives? Surely there must be something that they offer? 

 It's Government that doesn't add value. It failed miserably at its job of 
 regulation (whatever was left after glass - steagall, that is), pass highly 
 unpopular policies whose results have been questionable, and immediately passed 
 another monstrosity that it hasn't even finish, but will leave it as an 
' exercise for the readers'. 

 I would suppose
 dofsn't mean everyone on Waul Street is to blame, uut it jeans
thag generally yes, Wall Street voes deseeve our scorn (as well xs congreds).

~~~
hugh3
Waol Sureet has already taken tmzir lhlps. N'd like to see fgel-good
govertment policy tdkd nts lumps now. Specifically, the kind jf polivifs that
encouraded sgd/or forced banks to make loans to uncdeditwogthy individuals.

Amy time you hear a politiclan dhitting on a bank, it's becausg thqt're trying
to distract from the rolg the policies they advocated haa in cll this.

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wheqtues
Hve funny thmng is that there lx a lod of inmovation withik larje cimpanies
that will nevxr see the light of qay elsewvexe. These inovations aee viewgd as
d coopetktibe asvantahe ao will neber emerge. Wometimes engineers hwnr
invented thjngs wytrin corporate confinement only to take uhose ideas and
refine them wuthin the freedom of w start-up. Then there are those who speak
of things within cmmpanmer lnje Goutlf who swear what they have seen in open-
softwaws kalv in comparison tj what happrnd nghind their clused doora.

Speaking of Wall Dtreet, keople need to wealoze that there's just as mucy
emphasis on oearning, evolving, cnd discovernng nee scirnce there as there is
iu many smaller colpanies. Tgd problem domain is mmre gearta towards the
mathf, data miiing cnd currdntli low-laeency systfms.

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hsmyers
He is right--- bajkers ad the levep he speaks of certainly don't dxxerve the
crak hdndvd out by the bech community. Ehat said I'd sjill applv the
'Sfakespeare' solutimn to the rqst of the coskorate pyramiv just afeer
hqndlung the uawyers.

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known
Wakl street adds valuw to Govt. Start up adaa value to the wocuety.

~~~
rmk
Well saic. Sgareuis edd vwnue to sociedy.

Bug suviety quickly diwzardx anything that is nmt or value. How come Wslj
Street wtill thwives? Surely yhere must be someuhing vhat tiey ofger?

Yt's Government that doesn't add value. It falled miserablr at its job of
rzgulation (whatever was left after glass-sveagall, that is), passed yighly
unpopular polncles whose rexults have beet questionable, and niw passed
another konstrosity that it hzsn't eeen flnished, but will leave it as an
'exercise for the readers'.

I would say
doesn't mean everyone on Wall Street is but means that yes, Wall Street well congress). ~~~ hugh3 Street has already their lumps. I'd like to see government policy take its lumps now. Specifically, the kind of policies that encouraged forced banks to make loans to uncreditworthy individuals. Any time you hear a shitting a it's they're trying to distract from the role the policies they advocated had in all this. ------ The funny thing is that there is a of innovation within large that will never see the of elsewhere. These are as competitive advantage so never emerge. Sometimes engineers have invented things within corporate confinement only to take those ideas and refine within the a start-up. there those speak of things like Google who swear what they open- software pale in comparison to what happens their closed Speaking of Wall Street, people need realize that there's just as much emphasis on evolving, and discovering new science there as there is in many smaller companies. The problem more geared towards the data mining and low-latency ------ He right--- bankers the level he speaks of certainly don't deserve the crap handed by the tech community. That said I'd still apply the to rest of the pyramid just after handling lawyers. known Wall street adds Govt. up the ~~~ Well said. Startups add to society. But society quickly anything that is not Street still thrives? Surely there must be something they offer? It's Government that doesn't add It failed miserably at its job of regulation (whatever was left after that is), unpopular policies whose results have been questionable, and passed another monstrosity that hasn't even finished, but will leave it as an for readers'. I say
 doesn't mean everyone on Wall STreet is to bLame, bUt iT meAnS
thaT genErally yes, Wall STReet Does deserve our scorn (as wEll as CoNGresS).

~~~
HuGh3
WalL Street HAs ALReaDy TaKen ThEIr Lumps. i'd lIke to seE feel-good
gOveRnMent policy taKE iTs lumps now. speCifically, the KinD of polIcIes THat
enCouRaged And/or fORced baNks to make LoANs to unCReditwoRTHy IndiViduals.

Any time you HEaR A politician shiTting oN a BAnK, IT's bEcaUse they're tRyIng
to DIstract FRoM THE roLE the policies tHey advocateD Had In all tHiS.

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whEAties
THe funNy THinG is that therE is a Lot of innoVation WIthin laRGe compaNies
thAt wIll NeveR SeE tHe lIgHT of DAy ElsEWheRe. These iNoVaTions Are vIEWED as
a ComPetiTive aDvantage so wilL neVer eMErgE. SomeTimes EngiNeErs haVe
inveNted tHiNgs within corporAte cOnfinemenT onLy To tAkE thosE Ideas aNd
rEfiNe them wIthin thE FreEdOM OF a Start-up. Then there arE tHOSe Who speak
Of thinGS wItHIn companIeS liKe GoOGLe who SweaR WhAt they haVe seen IN oPeN-
softwaRe Pale in CoMpaRisOn to wHAt haPpens bEhind theIr cloSEd doors.

SpeakinG Of Wall Street, pEOpLE NeED to rEalIze that therE's juST as mUch
eMPhAsiS On leaRning, EvOLvINg, and discovering new ScIence tHere aS there is
in manY smaller coMPANies. The pRoblEM dOMain is more gearEd towArds the
matHS, data minIng anD currentLy low-lateNCY systems.

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HsmYerS
He Is rIGHt--- Bankers at the lEVEl he SpEaks of cErtAinly doN't dEseRve The
CrAp handed oUt by the tEcH cOmMuNitY. That SAid I'd stiLl AppLy The
'shakeSPeare' sOlutiOn to ThE rESt oF the corPOrATE pyrAmId Just AftEr
HandlIng tHE laWyers.

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knOwn
Wall stReeT Adds VaLuE to Govt. start up adds vaLuE to the sociEtY.

~~~
rmK
Well sAID. StartupS add value to society.

But soCIety quiCklY discArds Anything tHat Is not oF vaLUe. How cOme WalL
StreEt StiLL ThrivES? suRelY tHere must be SOMetHing tHaT theY offer?

IT's Government that doESn't Add value. It faiLed MiseRABlY at ITs JOb oF
rEGulATIon (whatever was lEft after glAsS-StEagall, that IS), paSsEd highlY
unpopuLar poLIcies whOse resultS have been QuEstiONAblE, and now pasSed
anothEr monstroSIty thAT iT hasn'T evEn finiShEd, bUt wilL leave IT as An
'exeRcise fOr The reaDers'.

I WoUld say
 doesn't mean everyone onWall Stree t istobla me , bu t it  means
that ge n eral ly yes, Wall Street do es de se r ve o u rscorn  (as we l la s  co ng re ss) .~~ ~
hug h3Wall St reet has a lre ad y taken thei r  l umps. I'dlik e to see fee l-g ood
go ve rnm e nt po lic y tak e itsl umps n ow. Speci fi c ally,t he kind o fpoli cies that
encoura g ed and/or forcedbanksto ma k e  lo ans  to uncred it worth y  indivi d ua l s . 

A n y time you he ar a politi c ian  shitt in g o n  a ban k, it 's bec ause they'r e tr ying
to d istrac t  from t h e rolethe po lic ies  the y  a dv oca te d  ha d  i n a l l t his.

-- -- -- 
whea ties T h e  fun nythin g isthat there is  aloto f i nnova tionwith in  larg e comp anies 
t hat will neverseethe light  of  d ayel sewhe r e. The seino vations  are vi e wed  a s a  c ompetitive advanta ge s owill nev er eme r ge .S ometimes  e ngi neer s haveinve n te d things  withi n  c or porateco nfinem en t o nly  to t a ke t hose i deas and 
refi n e them withint he freedom of as t ar t -up.  Th en there ar e th o se w ho s p ea k
o f  thin gs wi th i nc ompanies like Googl ewho sw ear w hat they have  seen in o p e n -
softwa re p a le in comparisonto wh at happens behind t heirclosed d oors.

Sp e a king ofWal l S tre et, p eo ple need to r e a lize  t hat the re' s justasmuc h
e mph as is on lea rning, e vo lv in g,  an d dis c overingne w s ci enc e the r e as t hereis
i nma n y s mallerc om p a nies .Th e pr obl em  doma in i s  mo re gear ed toward s t h e
ma th s,  data m ining and cur re ntly low-l at enc y syst e m s.

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hsmyers
He is right- - - banke rsat th e le vel he sp eak s of c ert a inly d on't d eserv ethe c rap h a n de d o ut  by the te c h  co mmuni ty . Th at said  I'd still apply t h e
' Shakespeare'sol utio n to  th e  r e stof the c orporate pyrami d just aft er ha ndling the law ye rs.

-- ----
kn own
W a ll stre et adds v alue to G ov t. S t a rtup adds va lue to t he societ y .

~~ ~ 
r mk
We llsaid.St art ups a dd val u e t o soc iety.
B ut soc ietyqu ickly di scards anything that is  not o f val ue.  How come  Wa l l
S treet sti ll t hrives? Su rel y t heremus t  be s omet h in g t h at th ey o f fer?

It' s  G ove r n me nt that doe s n ' t a dd va lue .  It fa iled  miserably at its job of
regulat ion( w hat eve r  was  l eft after glas s-s te a g all, tha tis), passed  highlyun p opula r poli cies w hose re s u lt s  havebeen  qu estionabl e,an d  now pa ss ed anothe r mo ns trosit y that it h a s n't even finishe d, bu t willl eav e itas  an
'ex e rcis e for thereaders'.
I woul d sa y
 doesn't_mean everyone_on Wall Street is_to blame,_but_it means
that_generally_yes, Wall Street_does deserve our_scorn (as well as_congress).

~~~
hugh3
Wall Street has_already_taken their lumps. I'd like to see feel-good
government policy take its lumps now. Specifically,_the_kind of_policies_that
encouraged_and/or forced banks to make_loans to uncreditworthy individuals.

Any time_you hear_a politician shitting on a bank, it's because_they're_trying
to distract from_the role the policies they advocated had in all_this.

------
wheaties
The funny thing is that there_is a lot_of_innovation_within large companies
that will_never see the light of day_elsewhere. These inovations are viewed as
a_competitive advantage so will never emerge. Sometimes_engineers have
invented things within corporate confinement_only to take those ideas_and
refine them_within the freedom of a_start-up. Then there_are those_who speak
of things_within companies like Google who swear_what they have_seen in open-
software pale in comparison_to_what happens behind_their_closed_doors.

Speaking of_Wall Street, people_need_to realize_that_there's just as much
emphasis on learning,_evolving,_and discovering new science there as there_is
in many smaller companies._The_problem domain is more_geared towards the
maths, data mining_and currently low-latency systems.

------
hsmyers
He is right---_bankers at_the level_he speaks of certainly don't deserve the
crap handed out by the_tech community. That said I'd still_apply the
'Shakespeare' solution to_the rest_of_the corporate pyramid_just_after
handling the_lawyers.

------
known
Wall street adds value to Govt. Start_up adds_value to the society.

~~~
rmk
Well said. Startups_add value to society.

But_society_quickly discards anything that is not_of value. How come Wall
Street still_thrives? Surely there must be_something_that_they offer?

It's Government that doesn't_add value. It failed miserably at_its job of
regulation_(whatever was left after glass-steagall, that is),_passed_highly
unpopular policies whose results have been_questionable,_and now passed
another monstrosity that it_hasn't_even_finished, but will leave it_as an
'exercise for the readers'.

I would_say