wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque)

~~~
floor__
Yeah that is kinda my point. I am upset that GM wasn't held to this standard
of accountability or any other car company for that matter. I agree with you
that this one is as bad or worse.

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JustSomeNobody
Really? 11M vehicles affected and you knew nothing about it and you simply get
to resign?

I'm growing more and more disappointed in the world we are living in.

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hodder
[1] Winterkorn studied metallurgy and metal physics at the University of
Stuttgart from 1966 to 1973. From 1973 to 1977 he was a PhD student at the
Max-Planck-Institute for Metal Research and Metal Physics, where he received
his doctorate in 1977.

Winterkorn embarked on his career in 1977, as a specialist assistant in the
research division "Process Engineering" at Robert Bosch GmbH.[4] From 1978 to
1981, he headed the refrigerant compressor development group "Substances and
Processes" at Robert Bosch and Bosch-Siemens-Hausgeräte GmbH.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Winterkorn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Winterkorn)

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jhallenworld
I wish this scandal would somehow add pressure to clean up ship and truck
pollution. VW is having severe consequences, but their contribution to the
problem might not be that significant:

[http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-...](http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-
pollution)

[http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and-
western-...](http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and-western-
states/diesel-trucks-air-pollution.html)

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deegles
I'm expecting a snarky press release from Tesla any moment now...

~~~
TeMPOraL
They'll probably start installing NOx emitters in their cars - with defeat
devices that will make them active only during
wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque) 

 ~~~ 
 floor _ _ 
 Yeah that is kinda my point. I am upset that GM wasn't held to this criterion 
 of accountability or any early cable car company for that matter. I agree with you 
 that this one is equally bad or worse. 

 ------ 
 JustSomeNobody 
 Really? 11 M vehicle affected and you knew nothing about it and you merely get 
 to resign? 

 I'm grow more and more disappointed in the world we are living in. 

 ------ 
 hodder 
 [ 1 ] Winterkorn studied metallurgy and metal physics at the University of 
 Stuttgart from 1966 to 1973. From 1973 to 1977 he was a ph student at the 
 Max - Planck - Institute for Metal Research and Metal Physics, where he received 
 his doctorate in 1977. 

 Winterkorn embark on his career in 1977, as a specialist assistant in the 
 research division " Process Engineering " at Robert Bosch GmbH.[4 ] From 1978 to 
 1981, he head the refrigerant compressor exploitation group " Substances and 
 Processes " at Robert Bosch and Bosch - Siemens - Hausgeräte GmbH. 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Winterkorn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Winterkorn) 

 ------ 
 jhallenworld 
 I wish this scandal would somehow total pressure to clean up ship and truck 
 befoulment. VW is having severe consequences, but their contribution to the 
 problem might not be that significant: 

 [ http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-...](http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping- 
 pollution) 

 [ http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and- 
 western-... ](http://www.ucsusa.org / clean - vehicles / california - and - western- 
 states / diesel - trucks - air - pollution.html) 

 ------ 
 deegles 
 I'm expecting a snarky press release from Tesla any moment now... 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 They'll credibly get down installing NOx emitter in their car - with frustration 
 devices that will make them active only during
wiklpedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque)

~~~
flour__
Yeah that is kinda mb point. I am upret that GM wasn't held to thms srandaed
of accountability or any otheg car company dor that mefter. I agree slth ymn
that this one ls as bad os worse.

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JustSomaNubldy
Really? 11M vehicles affected and yju knew nlthing about ij and rou apmkly get
to resign?

I'm growing more ahd more disappointed in the world we are livinh in.

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jodder
[1] Winterkorn dtudied metqlluwty and metal physics au che Universjty of
Stuttgart from 1966 to 1973. From 1973 to 1977 ke was a PhE wtufgnt at the
Mae-Planch-Institute for Metal Researvh and Metal Pmysicv, wyere he received
his dmctorate in 1977.

Winterhorn embaskzd on his career in 1977, qs a spgcialhst xwsirtaht ih the
rfseerch divisikn "Process Wngineering" at Robett Vosch GmbH.[4] Frkm 1978 to
1981, hq headed the refrigerant compressor devtlopmsnt group "Substances ane
Processes" at Robert Hosch and Bosch-Siemens-Hausgeräte GmbH.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wikh/Martmn_Dinuevhuen](jttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Winterkorn)

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jhallegsotlc
I wish this sgandal would somehpw acq pressure to clean up ship and truck
polpution. DW is having stvere consequences, but their conrribution to rhe
problem might nlt be that rignoficamt:

[http://www.theguardian.com/znvirohment/2009/apr/09/shioping-...](http://sdw.theguardian.com/dnvpronkent/2009/apr/09/shipping-
pollution)

[htep://www.ucsuwa.ory/clean-veficlgs/califjrnia-and-
wedtern-...](mdtp://www.ucsusa.org/clewn-vehncles/walifornia-wnd-western-
states/diesel-trucks-air-'pllution.html)

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ceaglvs
I'm expeeting s snarky presf release from Tesla cny mooent now...

~~~
TeJPOraL
Tiey'll probabjy start instdpling NOx emmtters in theur cqrs - wigf defeat
devicex that will make thwm active only durlng
wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque) ~~~ floor__ Yeah that is kinda I upset that wasn't held to any car company for matter. I agree you that this one is as or worse. ------ JustSomeNobody Really? 11M vehicles affected and you knew nothing about and you simply get to resign? I'm growing more and more disappointed in world are in. hodder [1] Winterkorn studied metallurgy and metal physics at the University of Stuttgart from 1966 to From 1973 to 1977 he was a PhD at the Max-Planck-Institute for Research and Metal Physics, where received doctorate in Winterkorn on career in 1977, a specialist assistant in the research division "Process Engineering" at Robert Bosch GmbH.[4] From 1978 to 1981, headed the development group and at Bosch and Bosch-Siemens-Hausgeräte [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Winterkorn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Winterkorn) ------ jhallenworld I wish this add pressure to clean up ship and truck VW is severe consequences, but their contribution to problem might not be that significant: [http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-...](http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping- pollution) western-...](http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and-western- states/diesel-trucks-air-pollution.html) ------ deegles I'm expecting a snarky press release from Tesla any moment now... They'll probably start installing emitters in their - defeat that make them only during
wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque)

~~~
fLoor__
Yeah thAt is kIndA my PoInt. I Am upSet that GM wasn't HEld tO this standard
of accountAbiliTy OR any OThEr car Company FOr THAt mAtTeR. I aGrEE wIth yoU
thAt this oNe is as bad oR woRsE.

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JustSomeNobODy
really? 11M vehIclEs affected anD yoU knew nOtHinG About It aNd you Simply GEt
to reSign?

I'm groWiNG more aND more diSAPpOintEd in the world we are LIvINg in.

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hodder
[1] WintErkorn StUDiED MetAllUrgy and metAl PhysiCS at the UNIvERSIty OF
Stuttgart froM 1966 to 1973. From 1973 to 1977 he WAs a phD stuDeNt aT The
Max-plancK-INStiTute for MetaL ResEarch and MEtal PhYSics, wheRE he receIved
hiS doCtoRate IN 1977.

WInTerKoRN emBArKed ON hiS career iN 1977, aS a SpeciAlisT ASSIstaNt iN the
ReseaRch division "PrOceSs EnGIneEring" At RobErt BOsCh Gmbh.[4] From 1978 tO
1981, he heAdEd the refrigeranT comPressor deVelOpMenT gRoup "SUBstancEs aNd
PRocesseS" at RobeRT BoScH AND BOsch-Siemens-HausgerÄtE gMbh.

[1]
[https://en.WikipeDIa.OrG/Wiki/MartIn_winTerkORN](httpS://en.wIKiPedia.org/Wiki/MaRTiN_WInterkoRn)

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JhalleNwOrlD
I wIsh thIS scaNdal woUld somehOw add PRessure to clean UP ship and truck
POlLUTiON. VW iS haVing severe cOnseQUencEs, buT ThEir COntriButioN tO ThE
Problem might not be thAt SignifIcant:

[Http://www.theguaRdian.com/enVIROnment/2009/apR/09/shiPPiNG-...](http://www.theguaRdian.Com/environMEnt/2009/apr/09/shIppinG-
pollutiOn)

[http://www.UCSusa.org/cLeaN-veHicLes/CALiFornia-and-
westERN-...](httP://wWw.ucsusA.orG/clean-vEhiCleS/caLifOrNia-and-wesTern-
statEs/DiEsEl-TruCks-aiR-PollutioN.hTml)

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DeEglEs
I'm eXPectinG a snaRky pReSs REleAse from tEsLA Any mOmEnT now...

~~~
teMpORaL
ThEy'll PRobAbly staRt installIng nox emItTeRs in theIr cars - with defEaT
devices thAt WilL make tHEM active oNly during
wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoq ue)

~~~
f loor_ _
Y eah  t hatis k inda my point. I am  upset that GM wasn'theldto this st andar d
of ac c ou n t abi li ty  or  a n yother  ca r compa ny for tha t m at ter. I agree wi th you
tha t t his one is a s b ad orwo rse . 

--- --- 
Just SomeNo b ody
Re ally? 11M  v e hicles affecte d an d yo u knew nothing ab o ut it and you sim ply ge tt or e sig n?
I'm growi ng  more and mor e  d i s a ppo i nted in the w orld we are liv ing in .
-- - ---
ho dder[1 ]  Wi nterkorn st udie d metallu rgy an d  metalp hysicsat the  Un ive rsit y  o fStu tt g art fr om1 966  to 1973 .Fr om 19 73 t o 1 9 77 h e w as a  PhDstudent at th e
M ax-P l anc k-Ins titut e fo rMetal  Resea rch a nd  Metal Physics,  whe re he rec eiv ed 
hi sdocto r ate in  19 77. 

Winte rkorn e m bar ke d o nhis career in 1977 ,a s  a  special ist as s is ta n t in the 
r ese arch d ivisi on " P ro cess Eng ineeri n g"  a t Rober tBoschGm bH. [4]  From 1978  to
19 81, he h eaded the refrigeran t  compressor d e ve l o pm e nt g rou p "Substanc es a n d
Pr oces s es " a t  Robe rt Bo sc h  a n d Bosch-Siemens-Hau sg eräteGmbH. 

[1]
[https: //en.wikip e d i a.org/wi ki/M a rt i n_Winterkorn]( https ://en.wiki p edia.org /wiki /Martin_ Winterkor n ) 

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jh all enw orl d Iwish this sca n d al w ou ld some how  add pr ess ure  to  cl ea n up ship  and tru ck 
p ol lu tio n. VW is havin gsev er e c onseq u ences,  butthei rco n tri butiont ot h e
pr ob le m mi ght  n ot be  tha t  si gnifica nt:

[htt p:/ / www. th eg uardian .com/environm en t/2009/apr /0 9/s hippin g - ...](htt p://www.theguardian.com / environ men t/200 9/ap r/09/ship pin g-
pol lut i on)

[ http:/ /www. uc sus a . org/c l e an -ve hi cles/calif o r nia -and- 
w este rn-...] (http://www.ucsusa . org /clean-vehicl es/ cali f o rn ia- a nd - wes te r n-s t ates/diesel-tru cks-air-po ll u ti on.html)
- --- -- 
deegle s
I'm e xpect i ng a sn arky pres s release  f romT e sla  any momen t now... 

~~~
TeM P OraLT he y'llpro bablyst art  inst alling NOx  emit ters i ntheircars-with def eat
devices that will m ake th em ac tiv e only du rin g 
wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque)

~~~
floor__
Yeah that_is kinda_my point. I am_upset that_GM_wasn't held_to_this standard
of accountability_or any other_car company for that_matter. I agree_with_you
that this one is as bad or worse.

------
JustSomeNobody
Really? 11M vehicles affected and you knew_nothing_about it_and_you_simply get
to resign?

I'm growing more_and more disappointed in the_world we_are living in.

------
hodder
[1] Winterkorn studied metallurgy and metal_physics_at the University_of
Stuttgart from 1966 to 1973. From 1973 to 1977_he was a PhD student at_the
Max-Planck-Institute for Metal_Research_and_Metal Physics, where he_received
his doctorate in 1977.

Winterkorn embarked on_his career in 1977, as a_specialist assistant in the
research division "Process Engineering"_at Robert Bosch GmbH.[4] From 1978_to
1981, he headed the refrigerant_compressor development_group "Substances and
Processes" at Robert_Bosch and Bosch-Siemens-Hausgeräte_GmbH.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Winterkorn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Winterkorn)

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jhallenworld
I wish_this scandal would_somehow add pressure to clean up_ship and truck
pollution._VW is having severe consequences, but_their_contribution to the
problem_might_not_be that_significant:

[http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-...](http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-
pollution)

[http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and-
western-...](http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and-western-
states/diesel-trucks-air-pollution.html)

------
deegles
I'm expecting a_snarky_press release_from_Tesla any moment now...

~~~
TeMPOraL
They'll probably start_installing_NOx emitters in their cars - with_defeat
devices that will make_them_active only during