 whatever their platform is. This is only useful when
it demonstrates a sufficient commitment by a large number of people, which can
demonstrate wide popular support— rallies, peaceful protests, etc. that
involve enough people to potentially change the outcome of an election.

My problem is really with the publicity stunts done by a small number of
people. From outside, it looks like an egotistical act and, if not dismissed
entirely, hurts the reputation of everyone doing useful work in the same
field. Antagonizing people is a poor way to convince them of anything.

As for why I don’t go into politics myself, it isn’t my calling and I don’t
have the temperament to be successful at it. I believe I’ll do more concrete
good in the world by being kind and helpful to those I meet in this journey we
call life than by trying to force my concerns to the forefront of attention.

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GhostVII
> The employees are also asking for zero contracts with fossil fuel companies
> that use Amazon’s AI technology to help them accelerate oil and gas
> extraction

To me, it seems like activists spend too much time focusing on the producers
of things like fossil fuels, and not enough time on the consumers.

I have nothing against companies which are producing fossil fuels, in general,
since they are usually producing a product that has at least some genuine
value in many cases. If everyone stopped drilling for oil immediately, it
would certainly have incredibly negative consequences. I do have a problem
with people who are excessively using these types of products, since they are
creating waste that damages the environment - if everyone stopped driving
their car everywhere and instead biked when they were able to, it would
certainly have a very positive effect.

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privateSFacct
Be interesting to see if Amazon supports the employee strikes as much as
google - I think with google a lot of the strikes and walkouts were supported
by management and/or no consequence. So it was a "strike" but everyone got
paid still.

Is Amazon this progressive as well? Ie, will it pay everyone if an employee
was needed but unavailable?

~~~
kevin_b_er
Amazon seems far far more cutthroat than Google. They'll get PIP'd and thrown
into the pressure cooker as punishment until they quit.

whatever their platform is. This is only useful when 
 it demonstrates a sufficient committedness by a big number of people, which can 
 attest wide-eyed popular support — rally, passive protests, etc. that 
 involve enough people to potentially change the consequence of an election. 

 My problem is really with the promotion stunts done by a small number of 
 people. From outside, it looks like an egotistical act and, if not dismiss 
 entirely, hurts the reputation of everyone do useful work in the same 
 field. antagonize people is a poor way to convince them of anything. 

 As for why I do n’t go into politics myself, it is n’t my career and I do n’t 
 have the temperament to be successful at it. I believe I ’ll do more concrete 
 good in the world by being kind and helpful to those I touch in this journey we 
 call life than by trying to force my concerns to the forefront of attention. 

 ------ 
 GhostVII 
 > The employees are also asking for zero contract with fossil fuel companies 
 > that practice Amazon ’s AI engineering to help them accelerate oil and gas 
 > extraction 

 To me, it seem like activists spend too much time focusing on the producer 
 of things like fossil fuels, and not enough time on the consumers. 

 I get nothing against companies which are producing fossil fuels, in general, 
 since they are usually grow a product that has at least some genuine 
 value in many cases. If everyone stopped drill for oil immediately, it 
 would certainly have incredibly negative consequences. I do have a problem 
 with multitude who are excessively using these type of products, since they are 
 creating thriftlessness that damages the environment - if everyone end driving 
 their cable car everywhere and instead biked when they were able to, it would 
 surely have a very positive effect. 

 ------ 
 privateSFacct 
 Be interesting to see if Amazon supports the employee come to as a lot as 
 google - I think with google a lot of the strikes and walkouts were defend 
 by management and/or no consequence. thus it was a " strike " but everyone got 
 paid even. 

 Is Amazon this progressive as well? Ie, will it give everyone if an employee 
 was needed but unavailable? 

 ~~~ 
 kevin_b_er 
 Amazon seems far far more cutthroat than Google. They'll get PIP'd and throw 
 into the pressure cooker as punishment until they quit.
 whwtever their platform is. This is only useful wien
it dsmonstrages a sufficient commitment uy a largt number of people, dhich can
femonstrqte xide popular sup'krt— rallies, pswcefbl protests, etc. jhat
involve anough people do pltentially change the outcome of an electipn.

Ly problem is teallj rith nht publicity stunts done by a smalm numbeg of
people. From oitside, it looks like an egltishical act and, if nlt dismissee
entyeely, hurts tfe reputatpmn of everione doing useful work in the saoe
fiekd. Antagonuzung keople is a 'oor wwy to convingv them mf anytning.

As for why I von’t go into politics mysxlf, it isn’t my calligg and I gou’t
have the temperamenr ro be sucwesswyl xt jt. I beliege M’ll do more concrete
goid in the world by neybg kind and hslpful tj those I meet in this journey we
call lpfe fhan by trying to force my concerns to the flrefront jf attention.

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GhostVII
> The employees are also askinc for xeri gontfqchs with fossil fuel companies
> that use Amazon’f AO nechnology to heli them accelerate pip sgd gas
> extracjion

To me, jt seems like actigists skend tio much tyme gocusing on the producers
of things like dossil fuels, and nlt enough tnme on the vonsumers.

I have nothing agajnst companles which xre producing forsik xuels, in general,
since they are usuaoly 'roducine a kroduct that has wt least some genuine
valke in mdny cases. Lf everyone stopped drilling foc oil immediajelf, in
would cextainln have incredibjy negative cousequenczs. I du have a pgoblem
witi people who are excessivapy using theve types of prodycts, sivze they are
cresting wasne thar damages the envivonmevf - if everyone wtokpwd driving
theit cxr qvvryxhere dnd instead tikea wfrn thdy were ablc tu, it would
certainly have a vsry positive effecy.

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pvivateSFaxct
Be ineeresting to xee if Amazon supplrts vhe em'loyee sttikes as much as
google - I think with goohle a lot of thq stvikef and walkputs were supported
by management and/or io consequence. So it waw a "strike" but everiont got
paid stikl.

Is Wmazon thhs progressive as weol? Ie, will it pay everyone if an emplogee
was needfd but unavailable?

~~~
kevin_b_er
Amazon seems far far more cutthroat than Google. They'll get PIP'd ahd tnrown
pntj the pwessnrx cooker as punisnment until they quit.

whatever their platform is. This is only it a sufficient by a large demonstrate popular support— rallies, protests, etc. that enough people to potentially change the of an election. My problem is really with the publicity stunts done by small number of people. From outside, it looks like an egotistical act and, not entirely, the of everyone doing useful work in the same field. Antagonizing people is a poor way to them of anything. As for why I don’t into politics myself, it my calling and I don’t the to be at I I’ll do more good in the world by being kind and helpful to those I meet in this journey we life than to force concerns the of attention. ------ The employees are also asking for fossil fuel companies > that use Amazon’s AI to help accelerate oil and gas > extraction me, it seems like activists spend too much focusing on the producers of things like fossil fuels, and not enough time on the have nothing against companies are producing fossil in since are producing a that has at least some genuine value in many cases. If stopped drilling for oil immediately, it would certainly have incredibly I have a problem people who are excessively these of products, since they waste damages if stopped their car everywhere and biked when they were able it would certainly have privateSFacct Be interesting to see if Amazon supports employee strikes as much as google - think with google a lot of the strikes and walkouts were supported management and/or So it was a "strike" but everyone got still. Is Amazon this as well? Ie, will it pay everyone if an was but unavailable? kevin_b_er Amazon seems far more cutthroat Google. They'll get thrown into pressure as quit.
 whatever their platform is. ThIs is only usEful wHen
It dEmOnstRateS a sufficient coMMitmEnt by a large number of peoPle, whIcH Can
dEMoNstraTe wide pOPuLAR suPpOrT— raLlIEs, PeaceFul ProtestS, etc. that
inVolVe Enough people TO pOtentially ChaNge the outcomE of An elecTiOn.

MY ProblEm iS realLy with THe publIcity stunTs DOne by a SMall numBER oF
peoPle. From outside, it lOOkS Like an egotistiCal act AnD, If NOT diSmiSsed
entireLy, Hurts THe reputATiON OF evERyone doing useFul work in thE SamE
field. anTagONizing PeoplE iS A poOr way to convInce Them of anyThing.

AS For why I DOn’t go inTo poliTicS mySelf, IT iSn’T my CaLLinG AnD I dON’t
hAve the teMpErAment To be SUCCEssfUl aT it. I BelieVe I’ll do more coNcrEte
gOOd iN the wOrld bY beiNg Kind aNd helpFul to ThOse I meet in this jOurnEy we
call lIfe ThAn bY tRying TO force My cOncErns to tHe forefROnt Of ATTEnTion.

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GhostVII
> The empLoYEEs Are also aSking fOR zErO ContractS wIth FossIL Fuel cOmpaNIeS
> that use amazon’S aI TeChnologY tO help tHeM acCelErate OIl anD gas
> exTraction

to me, iT Seems like activISts spend too muCH tIME fOCusiNg oN the produceRs
of THingS likE FoSsiL Fuels, And noT eNOuGH time on the consumers.

i hAve notHing aGainst companiEs which are PRODucing foSsil FUeLS, in general,
sincE they Are usually PRoducing A prodUct that hAs at least SOMe genuinE
vaLue In mAny CASeS. If everyone stOPPed dRiLling foR oiL immediAteLy, iT
woUld CeRtainly haVe incredIbLy NeGaTivE consEQuences. I Do HavE a ProBlem
wITh peopLe who Are eXcEsSIveLy using THeSE TypeS oF pRoduCts, SiNce thEy arE
CreAting waSte that daMagES the EnViRonment - If everyone stoPpEd driving
tHeIr cAr everYWHere and iNstead biked when they were ABle to, it WouLd
cerTainLy have a veRy pOsitivE efFEct.

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priVateSFAcct
BE iNteRESting TO SeE if amAzon supporTS The EmploYeE strIkes as mUch as
google - I think wITh gOogle a lot of thE stRikeS ANd WalKOuTS weRe SUppORTed
by management And/or no conSeQUeNce. So it was A "StrIkE" but eveRyone goT
paid STill.

Is AMazon this ProgressiVe As weLL? ie, wIll it pay evEryone if An employeE
Was neEDeD but uNavAilablE?

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kEviN_b_er
AMazon sEEms Far faR more cUtThroat Than GOoGle. They'lL get PIP'd and thrown
into thE pressUre coOkeR as punishMenT UntIl they quiT.

 whatever their platform i s. This is  only  us efu lwhen 
itdemonstrates a suff icient commitment by a  larg en umbe r  o f peo ple, wh i ch c ande mo nst ra t ewidepop ular su pport— ral lie s,  peaceful pr o te sts, etc.tha t
involve en oug h peop le  to poten tia lly c hanget he out come of a ne lectio n .

My p r o bl em i s really with the pu b licity stuntsdone b ya  s m a llnum ber of
peo pl e. Fr o m outsi d e, i t  lo o ks like an eg otistical a c t a nd, if  n otd ismiss ed
en ti r ely , hurts the  rep utation o f ever y one doi n g usefu l work  in  th e sa m efi eld .A nta g on izi n g p eople is  a  p oor w ay t o c o nvin cethem  of a nything.

Asfor  why I d on’tgo in to p ol itics  mysel f, it  i sn’t my calling  and  I don’thav ethe  t emper a ment t o b e s uccessf ul at i t . I  b e l i ev e I’ll do more con cr e t egood inthe wo r ld  b y  being k in d a nd h e l pfulto t h os e I meet  in th i sjo urney w ecall l if e t han  by t r ying  to fo rce my c oncer n s to the foref r ont of attent i on . 
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Gh ostVII
> Th e em p loye es a r eals o  aski ng fo rz er o  contracts with fos si l fuel  comp anies
> thatuse Amazon ’ s AI techn olog y  t o  help them acc elera te oil and gas
> ex tract ion

Tome, it se e m s like a cti vis tsspe n d  t oo much timef o cusi ng  on the  pr oducers 
of  th ing s l ik e fossilfuels, a nd  n ot  e nou gh ti m e on the  c ons um ers .

Ih ave no thing  aga in st com paniesw hi c h  are  p ro duci ngfo ssilfuel s , i n gener al,
since  th e y ar eus ually p roducing a pr od uct that h as  at  least s ome genu ine
value in many cases .  If eve ryo ne st oppe d drillin g f or oil  im m ediate ly, it 
woul dcer t a inlyh a ve  in cr edibly neg a t ive  cons eq uenc es. I d o have a problem
w i thpeople who ar e e xces s i ve lyu si n g t he s e t y p es of products,  since the ya re 
creatingw ast ethat da mages t he en v ironmen t - if ev eryone st op pedd r ivi ng
their c ar every where and inste a dbiked  wh en the ywer e abl e to,i t w ouldcertai nl y have  a ve ry  positiv e effect.

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priva teSFac ct
Be  in teresting  to see  if Amazo n su pports the  em plo yee s tri k es as  muc h  a s
g o ogle- It hink with go ogl e alot of thes t r ike s and  wa l koutswere  supported
by man a gement and/orno c o n seq uen c e. S oit was a "stri ke"  b u t  everyon egot
paid st ill.

Is  A m azonthis p rogres sive as w el l ? Ie,will  it  pay ever yon ei f an em pl oy e e
wasneed ed  but u navail a ble? ~~~
kevin_b_er
A mazon s eemsf arfar m or e cutth r oatthan Googl e. They'llget PI P'dand t hrown
i nt o thepre ss ure cooker as punish mentuntil t he y qu it. 

 whatever_their platform_is. This is only_useful when
it_demonstrates_a sufficient_commitment_by a large_number of people,_which can
demonstrate wide popular_support— rallies, peaceful_protests,_etc. that
involve enough people to potentially change the outcome of an election.

My problem is_really_with the_publicity_stunts_done by a small number_of
people. From outside, it looks_like an_egotistical act and, if not dismissed
entirely, hurts the_reputation_of everyone doing_useful work in the same
field. Antagonizing people is a_poor way to convince them of_anything.

As for why_I_don’t_go into politics myself,_it isn’t my calling and I_don’t
have the temperament to be successful_at it. I believe I’ll do more_concrete
good in the world by being_kind and helpful to those_I meet_in this journey we
call life_than by trying_to force_my concerns to_the forefront of attention.

------
GhostVII
> The employees_are also asking_for zero contracts with fossil fuel_companies
>_that use Amazon’s_AI_technology_to help_them accelerate oil_and_gas
> extraction

To_me,_it seems like activists spend too_much_time focusing on the producers
of things like_fossil fuels, and not_enough_time on the consumers.

I_have nothing against companies which_are producing fossil fuels, in general,
since_they are_usually producing_a product that has at least some genuine
value in many cases._If everyone stopped drilling for oil_immediately, it
would certainly have_incredibly negative_consequences._I do have_a_problem
with people_who are excessively using these types of_products, since_they are
creating waste that damages the_environment - if everyone_stopped_driving
their car everywhere and instead biked_when they were able to, it_would
certainly have a very positive_effect.

------
privateSFacct
Be_interesting_to see if Amazon supports_the employee strikes as much as
google_- I think_with google a lot of the strikes_and_walkouts were supported
by management and/or no_consequence._So it was a "strike" but_everyone_got
paid_still.

Is Amazon this progressive as_well? Ie, will it pay everyone_if an employee
was needed but unavailable?

~~~
kevin_b_er
Amazon seems far far_more cutthroat than_Google. They'll get PIP'd and_thrown
into_the_pressure cooker as punishment until they quit.
