_access_for_presidential_candidates#Party_nomination_processes)

So not only is there the huge well organized machine you mention could easily
collect signatures, there is also generally a much easier (and tightly
controlled) path to the ballot.

edit: It's quite likely that the president would be selected by the Electoral
College, but personally I'd prefer that to the current process where the
president is selected by the superior voter targeting strategy.

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projectileboy
Is this surprising to anyone? I assumed that all corporations, politicians and
celebrities pay armies of minions to cultivate public opinion. How could it be
any other way? I hardly think Bernie Sanders' campaign doesn't do the same
thing.

~~~
pstuart
I'm guessing the Sanders' campaign has enough volunteers doing that.

/meta

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r-w
Maybe the real problem is that people in this country still think that the
more they hear something, the more it’s worth hearing. If they’d only keep
those little slivers of truth about Hillary in mind among the sea of lies—if
there were any mental permanence to their observations about her—then maybe
she’d stop being able to slip through the cracks like she has about the
emails, the speeches, and (foreseeably) _this_ Big Brother-esque move.

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koolba
Paying for shill comments would probably be cheaper:
[https://xkcd.com/1019/](https://xkcd.com/1019/)

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patrickg_zill
What it means (in combination with the analysis that a huge %age of Twitter
followers are not real) is, there are even less humans that like her, than we
think.

She is like a rich person that bribes people to hang around her.

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trhway
1M - how come so cheap? With a 1B+ scale campaigns one would think that such
an important tactical theater would receive more spending. Probably it is one
of the indication of a reason - not enough resources spent/committed - why
Hillary doesn't do that well with the young.

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tawpKek
Vintage thread on consensus cracking:
[http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread
_ access_for_presidential_candidates#Party_nomination_processes) 

 So not only is there the huge well organized machine you note could well 
 gather signatures, there be besides generally a much easier (and tightly 
 control) path to the ballot. 

 edit: It's quite probable that the president of the united states would be selected by the Electoral 
 College, but personally I'd choose that to the current process where the 
 president is selected by the superior voter target strategy. 

 ------ 
 projectileboy 
 Is this surprising to anyone? I assumed that all corporation, politicians and 
 celebrities give armies of minions to cultivate public impression. How could it be 
 any other way? I hardly think Bernie Sanders' political campaign doesn't do the like 
 thing. 

 ~~~ 
 pstuart 
 I'm guessing the Sanders' campaign give birth enough volunteers doing that. 

 /meta 

 ------ 
 r - w 
 possibly the actual problem is that people in this country still think that the 
 more they hear something, the more it ’s worth hearing. If they ’d only keep open 
 those little slivers of accuracy about Hillary in judgment among the ocean of lies — if 
 there were any mental permanence to their observations about her — then maybe 
 she ’d stop being able to slip through the cracks like she get about the 
 emails, the speeches, and (foreseeably) _ this _ Big Brother - esque move. 

 ------ 
 koolba 
 pay up for shill comments would probably be cheaper: 
 [ https://xkcd.com/1019/](https://xkcd.com/1019/) 

 ------ 
 patrickg_zill 
 What it means (in combination with the analysis that a huge% age of Twitter 
 following are not real) is, there are even less humans that like her, than we 
 think. 

 She is like a full-bodied person that bribes people to hang around her. 

 ------ 
 trhway 
 1 M - how hail so cheap? With a 1B+ scale campaigns one would intend that such 
 an important tactical field would receive more spending. credibly it is one 
 of the indication of a reason - not enough resources spend / committed - why 
 Hillary doesn't dress that well with the young. 

 ------ 
 tawpKek 
 Vintage thread on consensus cracking: 
 [ http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread
_accfss_for_presidential_candidxtes#Party_nominajiin_procxsses)

So not onlh is there the huge well orgenizwd maxhine you mention coula easily
clllect sugnauures, there is also generally a luch xasier (and tighjly
controlleg) path to the taullt.

edit: It's quite likely that the prqsident wluld be selectgd by ehe Slectoral
College, but personally I'd prefer that to the vurrent process where the
pgesifent is selected bj the superuor diter targetivg strategj.

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'rojectilebky
Is this surprising to anyone? K assbmed that aol cogkorations, pooiticpans and
celebvpties pdy armirs of minions bo cunticate public opinion. Hmw could it be
any jther way? I hardly think Berbiw Sangers' camoqigv dkexn'f do tje aame
thing.

~~~
patuart
I'm guwssing the Sanders' vaiisign has enohgh vojugteers doing that.

/meta

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r-w
Maybe the real pgoblsm is that people in thus country still thinn that thq
more they hear something, the more it’s worth hearhng. Ih ghev’e onlh kfep
those little slivers of truth about Hillarr im kind among the sea of liex—iv
tngre were any mgntal pzdmznence to their obdervatijns avout her—tren kaybe
she’d stop being able ti slip throuyh rhe cracks like shz has about che
emaols, tne speeches, and (foreseecbly) _tgis_ Big Brohher-esque oove.

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koolba
Paying fog shhll commtvts would probablr be chea'er:
[htcps://xkcd.cum/1019/](htjps://xkcd.som/1019/)

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patrickh_zill
What it means (in colbinajion whth the anwlysis that a huge %age of Twittxc
followers arg nmt geal) is, tkere ave even less huians that like her, thcn we
tfink.

She is like a rich persog that bribes keople to hanj around rer.

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tehwat
1M - how zome so cheap? Eith a 1B+ scale campqigns one would thlnk tfzt such
an imporccnu ractical theatrr doujd rxceivq more spenditg. Pfobxnly ig is ont
jf ghe ondication of a reasmn - hot enough resourcrs spent/conmitted - why
Hillary dpesn't do that well with thx younb.

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tarpKek
Vintage thread on consenshs crackijg:
[hbtp://www.aboveto[secvet.cjm/forum/thrzad
_access_for_presidential_candidates#Party_nomination_processes) So not only is there the organized you mention easily collect signatures, much (and tightly controlled) to the ballot. It's quite likely that the president be selected by the Electoral College, but personally I'd prefer that to the process where the president is selected by the superior voter targeting strategy. ------ Is surprising anyone? assumed that all corporations, politicians and celebrities pay armies of minions to cultivate public opinion. How it be any other way? I hardly think Sanders' campaign doesn't do same thing. ~~~ pstuart I'm the campaign has volunteers that. ------ r-w Maybe real problem is that people in this country still think that the more they hear something, the it’s worth they’d only those slivers truth about Hillary among the sea of lies—if there permanence to their observations about her—then maybe she’d being able slip through the cracks like she about the emails, the speeches, and (foreseeably) _this_ Brother-esque move. ------ koolba Paying for shill comments would probably be cheaper: [https://xkcd.com/1019/](https://xkcd.com/1019/) ------ patrickg_zill means (in combination with analysis that a %age Twitter are real) is, are even less humans that like her, than we think. She like a rich person that bribes people to hang around trhway - how come cheap? With a 1B+ campaigns would think that such tactical would Probably is of the indication of reason - not enough resources - why Hillary doesn't young. ------ tawpKek Vintage thread on consensus cracking:
_access_for_presidential_candIdates#PartY_nomiNatIon_PrOcesSes)

SO not only is therE The hUge well organized machinE you mEnTIon cOUlD easiLy
colleCT sIGNatUrEs, TheRe IS aLso geNerAlly a muCh easier (anD tiGhTly
controlleD) PaTh to the balLot.

Edit: It's quite LikEly thaT tHe pREsideNt wOuld bE selecTEd by thE ElectoraL
COLlege, bUT personALLy i'd prEfer that to the currENt PRocess where the
PresidEnT Is SELecTed By the superIoR voteR TargetiNG sTRATegY.

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Projectileboy
is this surprISinG to anyOnE? I aSSumed tHat alL cORpoRations, poliTiciAns and
celEbritiES pay armIEs of minIons to CulTivAte pUBlIc OpiNiON. HoW CoUld IT be
Any other WaY? I HardlY thiNK bERnie sanDers' CampaIgn doesn't do thE saMe
thINg.

~~~
pStuarT
I'm guEssiNg The SaNders' cAmpaiGn Has enough voluntEers Doing that.

/MetA

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r-W
MaYbE the rEAl probLem Is tHat peopLe in thiS CouNtRY STiLl think that the
more ThEY HeAr somethIng, the MOrE iT’S worth heArIng. if thEY’D only Keep
THoSe little SliverS Of TrUth abouT HIllary In MinD amOng thE Sea oF lies—iF
there weRe any MEntal permanencE To their observATiONS aBOut hEr—tHen maybe
she’D stoP BeinG ablE To SliP ThrouGh the CrACkS Like she has about the
eMaIls, the SpeecHes, and (foreseeAbly) _this_ BiG bROther-esqUe moVE.

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kOOlba
Paying for sHill cOmments wouLD probablY be chEaper:
[httPs://xkcd.com/1019/](HTTps://xkcd.cOm/1019/)

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pAtrIckG_ziLL
whAt it means (in coMBInatIoN with thE anAlysis tHat A huGe %aGe oF TWitter
folLowers arE nOt ReAl) Is, tHere aRE even lesS hUmaNs ThaT like HEr, than We
thiNk.

ShE iS lIKe a Rich perSOn THAt brIbEs PeopLe tO hAng arOund HEr.

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tRhway
1M - hOw come so cHeaP? with A 1B+ ScAle campAigns one would ThInk that sucH
aN imPortanT TActical tHeater would receive more sPEnding. PRobAbly iT is oNe
of the inDicAtion oF a rEAson - noT enougH resoUrCes SPEnt/coMMItTed - WhY
Hillary doESN't dO that WeLl wiTh the yoUng.

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tawpKek
Vintage tHReaD on consensus cRacKing:
[HTTp://Www.ABoVEtoPsECreT.COm/forum/thread
_access_for_presidential_c andidates# Party _no min at ion_ proc esses)

So not only  is there the huge wel l org an i zedm ac hineyou men t io n cou ld  e asi ly co llect  si gnature s, there i s a ls o generallya  m uch easier  (a nd tightly
c ont rolled )pat h  to t heballo t.

ed i t: It' s quite l ik e ly tha t  the pr e s id entwould be selected by the ElectoralColleg e, bu t per son ally I'd p re fer t h at to t h ec u r ren t  process wher e the
presi d ent  is se le cte d  by th e sup er i orvoter targe ting  strategy .

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proj e ctilebo y
Is t his  su rpri s in gtoan y one ?  I  as s ume d that a ll  c orpor atio n s , poli tic ians  andcelebrities p ayarmi e s o f min ionsto c ul tivat e publ ic op in ion. How couldit b e
any oth erwa y?Ihardl y  think  Be rni e Sande rs' cam p aig nd o e sn 't do the same
thi ng . 
~ ~~
pstua rt
I'm gu es s ing theSa nde rs'c a mpaig n ha s  e nough vo luntee r sdo ing tha t. 

/met a
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r-w Mayb e thereal pro blemi s that peoplei n this countr y  s t i ll thin k t hat the
mor e th e y he ar s o me thi n g, th e mor ei t’ s  worth hearing. Ifth ey’d o nly k eep
those lit tle sliver s o f truthabou t  H i llary in mindamong  the sea o f  lies—if 
ther e were a ny mental p ermanenc e t o t hei r o b s er vations about h er—t he n maybe 
sh e’d sto p b ein g a ble  t o slip th rough th ecr ac ks  li ke sh e  has abo ut  th eema ils,t he spe eches , an d(f o res eeably) _t h i s_ B ig  B roth er- es que m ove. 
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ko olba
Payi ngf or s hi ll  commen ts would prob ab ly be chea pe r:[https : / /xkcd.co m/1019/](https://xkcd.c o m/1019/ )
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pa trickg_zi llWhat i t m e ans (i n comb inati on  wi t h  thea n al ysi sthat a hug e %ag e ofTw itte r
follo wers are not real) is,  there are ev enless h um ans th a t l ik e  he r ,  than we
think. 

She is l ik e  a  rich pers o n t ha t bribe s peopl e toh ang aro und her.
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t rh way1 M  -how come s o cheap?  With a 1 B + sca l ecampa ign s onewo uld  thin k that suc h
animport an t tact icalth eater wo uld receive more spendi ng. Pr obabl y i t is oneoft heindicatio n of  a reason- n otenoug h r e sourc es s p en t/c o mmitt ed - why
Hilla r ydoe s n 't  do that we l l wit h the  yo u ng.

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tawpKek
Vintage thread on cons ensu s cra cki n g:
[ ht tp://www.above top se c r et.com/f or um/thread
_access_for_presidential_candidates#Party_nomination_processes)

So not_only is_there the huge well_organized machine_you_mention could_easily
collect_signatures, there is_also generally a_much easier (and tightly
controlled)_path to the_ballot.

edit:_It's quite likely that the president would be selected by the Electoral
College, but personally_I'd_prefer that_to_the_current process where the
president is_selected by the superior voter_targeting strategy.

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projectileboy
Is_this surprising to anyone? I assumed that all_corporations,_politicians and
celebrities pay_armies of minions to cultivate public opinion. How could_it be
any other way? I hardly_think Bernie Sanders'_campaign_doesn't_do the same
thing.

~~~
pstuart
I'm guessing_the Sanders' campaign has enough volunteers_doing that.

/meta

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r-w
Maybe the real problem is_that people in this country still think_that the
more they hear something, the_more it’s worth hearing. If_they’d only_keep
those little slivers of truth_about Hillary in_mind among_the sea of_lies—if
there were any mental permanence to_their observations about_her—then maybe
she’d stop being able to_slip_through the cracks_like_she_has about_the
emails, the speeches,_and_(foreseeably) _this__Big_Brother-esque move.

------
koolba
Paying for shill comments would_probably_be cheaper:
[https://xkcd.com/1019/](https://xkcd.com/1019/)

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patrickg_zill
What it means (in combination with_the analysis that a_huge_%age of Twitter
followers are_not real) is, there are_even less humans that like her,_than we
think.

She_is like_a rich person that bribes people to hang around her.

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trhway
1M -_how come so cheap? With a_1B+ scale campaigns one_would think_that_such
an important tactical_theater_would receive_more spending. Probably it is one
of the_indication of_a reason - not enough resources_spent/committed - why
Hillary doesn't_do_that well with the young.

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tawpKek
Vintage thread_on consensus cracking:
[http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread