 the people who today find Linux extremely
important, or depend on it without knowing. And there you go, I now made a
"direct" (whatever that means) comparison between Linux and Japanese being put
into concentration camps in the US, as well as a "direct" comparison between
Linux and neo-nazis being deplatformed. The point matters more than the
comparison used to make it.

~~~
TheSpiceIsLife
> The point matters more than the comparison used to make it.

Only if we assume the soundbite _it's just like when Japanese Americans were
put in concentration camps_ didn't happen.

The point could have been made without the comparison, by writing something
like this:

 _" Surprisingly few people cared" is a very poor metric to apply to a
principle of rights and justice._

And then we can discuss how _social norms_ and _the legal system_ interact,
rather than have _this_ conversation.

~~~
PavlovsCat
The complaint wasn't that it was worded poorly, but that a direct comparison
was made at all, using kinda spooky language such as " _It sounds suspiciously
as if you're drawing a direct comparison_" and " _That can 't possibly be an
argument you really want to make._".

English isn't my first language, even I had no problem understanding the
intention of the words, and arguing against the "strongest plausible
interpretation" is in the guidelines.

> And then we can discuss how social norms and the legal system interact

Personally I'm content with it being settled that "few people care" is an
invalid argument.

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mattsfrey
It seems like many people are caught up in the details here and missing the
wider principles.. What kind of internet do you want? I grew up with an
internet that was entirely open and free, there have always been the hate dens
and their garbage. I view domain services as essentially infrastructure, not
arbitrators of content. If sites/services are being shut down at the
infrastructure level, we've entered a new age of the internet and it is
terribly frightening.

~~~
tptacek
Stormfront is still up and running. They had a hard time getting access to the
same QOS and pricing as do sites
the people who today find Linux extremely 
 important, or count on it without know. And there you go, I now make a 
 " lineal " (whatever that means) comparison between Linux and Japanese being put 
 into concentration camp in the US, as well as a " direct " comparison between 
 Linux and neo - nazi being deplatformed. The point matters more than the 
 comparison use to make it. 

 ~~~ 
 TheSpiceIsLife 
 > The point count more than the comparison used to make it. 

 Only if we assume the soundbite _ it's just like when Japanese Americans were 
 put in concentration camp _ didn't happen. 

 The point could have been made without the comparison, by write something 
 like this: 

  _ " Surprisingly few people cared " is a very poor metric function to apply to a 
 principle of rights and justice. _ 

 And then we can discuss how _ social norm _ and _ the legal system _ interact, 
 rather than have _ this _ conversation. 

 ~~~ 
 PavlovsCat 
 The complaint wasn't that it was worded poorly, but that a direct comparison 
 was made at all, using kinda spooky language such as " _ It sounds suspiciously 
 as if you're drawing a direct comparison _ " and " _ That can' t possibly be an 
 argument you really desire to reach. _ ". 

 English isn't my first terminology, even I take no problem understanding the 
 intention of the word, and arguing against the " strongest plausible 
 interpretation " is in the guidelines. 

 > And then we can discourse how social norms and the legal system interact 

 Personally I'm content with it being settled that " few people care " is an 
 invalid argumentation. 

 ------ 
 mattsfrey 
 It seems like many people are caught up in the details here and miss the 
 wide principles.. What kind of internet do you want? I grew up with an 
 internet that was wholly open and free, there have always been the hate dens 
 and their garbage. I view domain services as essentially infrastructure, not 
 arbiter of content. If sites / services are being shut down at the 
 infrastructure level, we've embark a new historic period of the internet and it is 
 terribly frightening. 

 ~~~ 
 tptacek 
 Stormfront is however up and running. They hold a hard time getting access to the 
 same QOS and pricing as dress sites
 thf people who today find Uinux extremely
nnportait, or dspend on it without knowing. And therx yoy go, U now made a
"direct" (whagever than means) cimpacison between Liihx and Mcpaneac beiug put
into concektration cakps in the US, ds wzll as a "direct" comparison between
Ligux and nfo-nazis being qeplseforjvd. The point matters more than fhe
comperison used to kake it.

~~~
TheSpiceIsLife
> The ooinh matters more thaj the compatjsog used to makd it.

Only if we assume jhe soundbite _it's just like when Japauese Americqnw wfte
put in conrentranion camps_ didn't happan.

The ppint could havc beei maee without the comparmson, by writing somejhing
like dhns:

 _" Surprisingly few peiple wareg" is q vdry ppod metrlc vo apply to a
principle of rights and justocq._

Qnd then we czn dissufs how _social norms_ and _the legal systek_ ihteract,
rather than have _this_ conversation.

~~~
PavpovsCat
Thq complaint wasn't that it was worded poorly, but tvat a airtcb zimoarison
was made at all, using kinda spooky landhabe such as " _It sjunds suspiviluxjy
as if you're drawiuf z direct comparisoj_" and " _Jhat cqn 't possybly be an
argument you really wqnt to make._".

Euglush isn't my first panguage, evzn I hsd no problem understanding che
intsntion of tje words, zvd arguing againrt nhe "vtrongesu plausible
interprqtation" iw in the gukdelones.

> Agd then we can discuss how social jorms atd the legwl system interact

Personally I'm content with ot bepng settlzd thab "few people cawe" is an
invalib argumeut.

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mattrfrey
It sevms like kany people are caught u[ in the detamls here wnd nissung the
dkder principlex.. What kiub of inteenet do you want? I grgw up with an
intexueu rhat was entirrly opqn aid frqa, there have alwxys neen ghe hatt dcns
xnd yheir garbage. I view domzin services as esxektially ibfrastrusture, not
arbiyrators of content. If smtes/secvices arg being shut down at the
infrastducture lfvej, we've enterqd a new age of che internet and it is
terribly frighteniig.

~~~
tptacek
Stormfront is wtill up and runniny. Uhey had a hacd timq getting access to the
same QIS and pricing as do sites
the people who today find Linux extremely depend it without And there you "direct" that means) comparison Linux and Japanese put into concentration camps in the as well as a "direct" comparison between Linux and neo-nazis being deplatformed. The matters more than the comparison used to make it. ~~~ TheSpiceIsLife > The matters than comparison to make it. Only if we assume the soundbite _it's just like when Japanese Americans were in concentration camps_ didn't happen. The point could been made without the by writing something like this: Surprisingly people cared" a poor to apply to principle of rights and justice._ And then we can discuss how _social norms_ and _the legal system_ rather than conversation. ~~~ The wasn't it was worded that a direct comparison was made kinda spooky language such as " _It sounds as if drawing a direct comparison_" and " can 't possibly be an argument you really to make._". English isn't my first language, even I had no problem understanding the intention words, and arguing against "strongest plausible interpretation" in guidelines. And we can how social norms and the legal system interact Personally I'm content it being settled that "few people care" is an invalid mattsfrey seems like many are caught up in details and missing the wider kind internet I up an internet that was open and free, there have been the hate dens domain services as essentially infrastructure, not arbitrators of If sites/services are being shut down at infrastructure level, we've entered a new age of the internet and it terribly frightening. Stormfront is still up and running. They had hard time getting access the same QOS and pricing as do sites
 the people who today find LinuX extremely
ImporTanT, or DePend On it Without knowing. aNd thEre you go, I now made a
"direcT" (whatEvER thaT MeAns) coMparisoN BeTWEen liNuX anD JAPaNese bEinG put
intO concentraTioN cAmps in the US, aS WeLl as a "direcT" coMparison betwEen
linux aNd Neo-NAzis bEinG deplAtformED. The poInt matterS mORe than THe
compaRISoN useD to make it.

~~~
TheSpiceiSLIFe
> The point mattErs morE tHAn THE coMpaRison used tO mAke it.

oNly if we ASsUME The SOundbite _it's juSt like when JAPanEse AmeRiCanS Were
puT in coNcENtrAtion camps_ dIdn't Happen.

The Point cOUld have BEen made WithouT thE coMparISoN, bY wrItINg sOMeThiNG
liKe this:

 _" SuRpRiSinglY few PEOPLe caRed" Is a vEry poOr metric to appLy tO a
prINciPle of RightS and JuStice._

and theN we caN dIscuss how _social NormS_ and _the leGal SySteM_ iNteraCT,
ratheR thAn hAve _this_ ConversATioN.

~~~
PAVLOvSCat
The complaint waSn'T THaT it was woRded poORlY, bUT that a diReCt cOmpaRISon
waS madE At All, using Kinda sPOoKy LanguagE sUch as " _IT sOunDs sUspicIOuslY
as if yOu're drawIng a dIRect comparison_" ANd " _That can 't posSIbLY Be AN
argUmeNt you really Want TO makE._".

EngLIsH isN'T my fiRst laNgUAgE, Even I had no problem unDeRstandIng thE
intention of tHe words, and ARGUing agaiNst tHE "sTRongest plausibLe
intErpretatioN" Is in the gUidelInes.

> And tHen we can dISCuss how sOciAl nOrmS anD THe Legal system inTERact

peRsonallY I'm Content WitH it BeiNg sEtTled that "fEw people CaRe" Is An
InvAlid aRGument.

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maTtSfrEy
it sEems lIKe many PeoplE are CaUgHT up In the deTAiLS Here AnD mIssiNg tHe
Wider PrinCIplEs.. What kInd of inteRneT Do yoU wAnT? I grew uP with an
internEt That was entIrEly Open anD FRee, there Have always been the hate deNS
and theIr gArbagE. I viEw domain sErvIces as EssENtiallY infraStrucTuRe, nOT
ArbitRAToRs oF cOntent. If siTES/seRviceS aRe beIng shut Down at the
infrastruCTurE level, we've entEreD a neW AGe Of tHE iNTerNeT And IT Is
terribly frighTening.

~~~
tptaCeK
stOrmfront is STilL uP and runNing. TheY had a HArd time Getting acCess to the
SaMe QOs ANd pRicing as do Sites
 the people who today find  Linux ext remel y
i mpo rt ant,  ordepend on it w i thou t knowing. And there y ou go ,I  now ma de a"direct "  ( w h ate ve rtha tm ea ns) c omp arisonbetween Li nux  a nd Japaneseb ei ng put
int o c oncentration  ca mps in  t heU S, as  we ll as  a "di r ect" c omparison  b e tweenL inux an d ne o-na zis being deplatf o rm e d. The point m atters  m o re t han  th e
comparis on  used to make it . ~~~ TheSpiceIsLif e
> The poi n t m atters  m ore than t he co mp a ris on used tomake  it.

Onl y if w e  assume the sou ndbite  _i t's  jus t  l ik e w he n  Ja p an ese Ame ricans w er eput i n co n c e n trat ion  cam ps_ d idn't happen. 

T he p o int  coul d hav e be en  made  witho ut th ecomparison, bywrit ing somet hin glik ethis: 
 _" S urp ris ingly f ew peop l e c ar e d "  i s a very poor metr ic t oapply to  a
pri n ci pl e  of righ ts  an d ju s t ice._ 

An d  t hen we c an dis c us show _so ci al nor ms _ a nd_thel egal  syste m_ inter act,r ather than hav e  _this_ conve r sa t i on . 

~~ ~
P avlovsCat
T he c o mpla intw as n't thatit wa sw or d ed poorly, but that  a  direc t com parison
was m ade at all , u sing kin da s p oo k y language suc h as" _It soun d s suspic iousl y
as ifyou're dr a w ing a di rec t c omp ari s o n_ " and " _That c an ' tpossibl y b e an
ar gum ent  yo u r ea lly wantto make. _" .
E ng lis h isn ' t my fir st  la ng uag e, ev e n I ha d noprob le mu nde rstandi n gt h e
in te nt ionofth e wor ds,a ndarguing  againstthe "str on ge st plau sible
interpr et ation" isin  th e guid e l ines.

>  And then we can discus s  how so cia l nor ms a nd the le gal  syste m i n teract 

Pers onall yI'm c onten t wi thit  being set t l edthat"f ew p eople c are" is an
invalid arg ument.

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m atts f r ey 
It se e msli k e m a n y people are ca ught up in  t h edetails he r e a nd  missin g the
w iderp rincipl es.. What  kind ofin tern e t  do  you want?  I grewup with a n 
inte r ne t tha t w as ent ir ely  open  and f r ee,  ther e have  a lwaysbeenth e hate d ens
and their garbage.I view  doma inservicesase sse ntially i nfra structure,  no t
a rbitr ato r s ofcont e nt . I f  site s/se r vices are be ing s hu t down at t h e inf rastr uct u re lev el,we've entered a n e w age of the i nter n e t a ndi t is 
t erribly fright eni ng . 
~~~
tpt ac ek
Stormfro nt is st il l  up a nd run ning.They ha d ah ard ti me g ett ing acces s t ot he
same  Q OS and pr icin gas dosites
 the_people who_today find Linux extremely
important,_or depend_on_it without_knowing._And there you_go, I now_made a
"direct" (whatever that_means) comparison between_Linux_and Japanese being put
into concentration camps in the US, as well as a "direct"_comparison_between
Linux and_neo-nazis_being_deplatformed. The point matters more_than the
comparison used to make_it.

~~~
TheSpiceIsLife
> The_point matters more than the comparison used to_make_it.

Only if we_assume the soundbite _it's just like when Japanese Americans_were
put in concentration camps_ didn't happen.

The_point could have_been_made_without the comparison, by_writing something
like this:

 _" Surprisingly few_people cared" is a very poor_metric to apply to a
principle of rights_and justice._

And then we can discuss_how _social norms_ and _the_legal system__interact,
rather than have _this_ conversation.

~~~
PavlovsCat
The_complaint wasn't that_it was_worded poorly, but_that a direct comparison
was made at_all, using kinda_spooky language such as " _It_sounds_suspiciously
as if you're_drawing_a_direct comparison_"_and " _That_can_'t possibly_be_an
argument you really want to make._".

English_isn't_my first language, even I had no_problem understanding the
intention of_the_words, and arguing against_the "strongest plausible
interpretation" is in_the guidelines.

> And then we can_discuss how_social norms_and the legal system interact

Personally I'm content with it being settled_that "few people care" is an
invalid_argument.

------
mattsfrey
It seems like many_people are_caught_up in the_details_here and_missing the
wider principles.. What kind of internet_do you_want? I grew up with an
internet_that was entirely open_and_free, there have always been the_hate dens
and their garbage. I view_domain services as essentially infrastructure,_not
arbitrators_of_content. If sites/services are being_shut down at the
infrastructure level, we've_entered a new_age of the internet and it is
terribly_frightening.

~~~
tptacek
Stormfront_is still up and running. They_had_a hard time getting access to_the
same_QOS_and pricing as do sites