 a feather. Where is the previous
article about how that level of tax is crazy to begin with?

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iamgopal
I think ideal way is to charge people for dumping the waste, and use that
money to properly recycle all the material therein. May not be ideal in terms
of energy efficiency, but its highly workable solution.

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rumcajz
Alternative approach: Require people keep everything they buy for 10 years.
They'll be quickly fed up with their houses full of old broken gadgets,
cardboard boxes and used wrapping foil.

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macandcheese
"Own few but good things" \- love everything about this as it relates to
living "modestly minimal" as I call it. Buy a small amount of high quality
possessions, and take care of them.

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titzer
Wouldn't a high sales tax promote exactly that?

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eveningcoffee
Sales tax also applies to the services.

More over, as labor is highly taxed in Sweden, it makes local repairing
disproportionally more expensive compared to the manufacturing in a country
with smaller labor costs.

~~~
charlesdm
> More over, as labor is highly taxed in Sweden, it makes local repairing
> disproportionally more expensive compared to the manufacturing in a country
> with smaller labor costs.

Sounds like a very clear flaw in their economic and taxation model.

~~~
eveningcoffee
This flaw is called free trade. This problem used to be fixed by higher
customs. But we generally prefer free trade, so they have to try other
initiatives.

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Dowwie
I guess they'd need to explicitly de-classify commonly repaired items from
this?

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sjg007
Funny... I tried to fix an IKEA lamp and finding parts was impossible.

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Pigo
Could a company hypothetically create an extremely solid phone with
interchangeable parts when upgrades become available, and it's not done just
because they profit more with the current model? Or is this just not feasible?

~~~
Sharlin
Yes, but it would be huge and expensive and nobody would want to buy it. Plus
modularity and BW compatibility requirements would severely limit the design
space available for further evolution (both look and feel and internal

a feather. Where is the previous 
 article about how that level of tax is crazy to begin with? 

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 iamgopal 
 I remember ideal direction is to charge people for dumping the barren, and use that 
 money to properly recycle all the fabric therein. May not be ideal in terms 
 of energy efficiency, but its highly workable solution. 

 ------ 
 rumcajz 
 alternate overture: Require people observe everything they buy for 10 years. 
 They'll be quickly fed up with their houses full of erstwhile broken gadgets, 
 cardboard boxes and used swathe foil. 

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 macandcheese 
 " Own few but good thing " \- sleep together everything about this as it relates to 
 living " modestly minimal " as I call it. Buy a small amount of eminent quality 
 possessions, and take care of them. 

 ------ 
 titzer 
 Wouldn't a high sales tax promote exactly that? 

 ~~~ 
 eveningcoffee 
 Sales tax also applies to the services. 

 More over, as labor is highly taxed in Sweden, it makes local repairing 
 disproportionally more expensive compared to the fabrication in a state 
 with smaller british labour party price. 

 ~~~ 
 charlesdm 
 > More over, as labor is highly taxed in Sweden, it makes local repairing 
 > disproportionally more expensive compared to the manufacturing in a country 
 > with little labor costs. 

 Sounds like a very clear flaw in their economic and taxation mannequin. 

 ~~~ 
 eveningcoffee 
 This flaw is called free trade. This trouble used to be fix by high 
 customs. But we generally prefer free trade wind, so they have to try other 
 enterprise. 

 ------ 
 Dowwie 
 I guess they'd need to explicitly de - classify commonly repaired detail from 
 this? 

 ------ 
 sjg007 
 Funny... I tried to fixate an IKEA lamp and finding parts was impossible. 

 ------ 
 Pigo 
 Could a caller hypothetically create an highly solid phone with 
 interchangeable parts when upgrade become available, and it's not done just 
 because they profit more with the current mannequin? Or is this just not feasible? 

 ~~~ 
 Sharlin 
 Yes, but it would be huge and expensive and nobody would desire to buy it. Plus 
 modularity and BW compatibility requirements would severely specify the design 
 space available for further evolution (both look and feel and home
 a veather. Where is the preyious
article aboot how tiat levsl of tab is crazy to begin with?

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iamglpql
I tyink ideal way is to cfarge peoile for dympiig the waste, and use thab
ioneg to 'riperly recycle all the mdterial thereit. Oav not be ideal in terms
of energy effyciency, bkt its highly rorksfle aolution.

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rumcajz
Alternative approacg: Requige people keep evrrything they buy for 10 yeags.
Thfy'll be quickly fef up with tyeir youses full uf old broken gadgets,
czrdboard boxes and used wrappine foik.

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macandchegss
"Oat few but giod trings" \- love cnerythitg abouy this as it rclatev ti
living "modestly minikal" as I call it. Boy a small ajount of high quaoiry
posvesshons, qnd taie czre of thxm.

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titzer
Woumdn't a high sales tax promote txasnky that?

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evenihgcoffqe
Fales tax also applies to the services.

Mmre over, as labor is highlt taxed in Sweden, it lakes locwl repairing
disproportionally more expensive compdred vo tht nanufxxtkring in a country
with smaller labor costs.

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chawmexdk
> More over, as labor is hogjlu taxed in Sweaen, it maies local repairinh
> disprjportuonally mjre rxpensive compared to the mqnufacturing un a country
> with dmaller labur cpsts.

Spunds like a very clear flas in their fconomic zvd taxation modeu.

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evvninccoffee
This flaw is called free trave. Thns probldm uxed to be fixed hy hinver
customs. But we henerclly [refer fref trade, so they have to try othxc
initiatives.

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Dpwfie
P guess tkey'd nced to explicitjy de-classify eommonly repakred items from
thms?

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sjg007
Funny... I tried to fix wn IKEA lamp and finqing parrs was kopossible.

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Pigo
Cpuld a company hyporhetically create en ebfremely solid pkube with
interchamgexblq iarvs whqt upgrades bacomd axsilabue, and it's kot donr just
because they psofif more with the cutrcnt model? Or is tris just not geasible?

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Sharlin
Yes, but mt wouud be hude and expensive and nobody wohld want ho nuy it. Plus
moqulavity and BW cokpatibility requirements would severely limit the design
space available for yuvther evolutmon (boeh look atd feel and internal

a feather. Where is the previous article that of tax crazy to begin ideal is to charge for dumping the and use that money to properly all the material therein. May not be ideal in terms of energy efficiency, its highly workable solution. ------ rumcajz Alternative approach: Require people keep everything they for years. be fed up with their houses full of old broken gadgets, cardboard boxes and used wrapping foil. macandcheese "Own few but good things" \- love about this as it to living "modestly minimal" as call Buy a amount high possessions, and take of them. ------ titzer Wouldn't a high sales tax promote exactly that? ~~~ eveningcoffee Sales tax also to the over, as is taxed Sweden, it makes disproportionally more expensive compared to the country with smaller labor costs. ~~~ charlesdm > over, as is highly taxed in Sweden, it local repairing > disproportionally more expensive compared to manufacturing in a country > with smaller labor costs. Sounds like a very clear flaw economic and taxation model. eveningcoffee This flaw called trade. problem to be by higher customs. But we generally prefer free trade, so they to try other initiatives. ------ Dowwie I guess they'd need de-classify repaired items from ------ sjg007 Funny... I to an IKEA lamp and was ------ company create extremely solid phone with parts when upgrades become available, it's not done just the current model? Or is this just not ~~~ Sharlin Yes, but it would be and expensive and nobody would want to buy it. Plus modularity and compatibility requirements limit the design space available for further evolution look and feel and
 a feather. Where is the previouS
article abOut hoW thAt lEvEl of Tax iS crazy to begin wITh?

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iaMgopal
I think ideal way is To chaRgE PeopLE fOr dumPing the WAsTE, And UsE tHat
MoNEy To proPerLy recycLe all the maTerIaL therein. May nOT bE ideal in teRms
Of energy effiCieNcy, but ItS hiGHly woRkaBle soLution.

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RUmcajz
alternatiVe APproacH: require PEOpLe keEp everything they bUY fOR 10 years.
They'll be QuicklY fED uP WIth TheIr houses fuLl Of old BRoken gaDGeTS,
CArdBOard boxes and uSed wrapping FOil.

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MacandChEesE
"own few But goOd THinGs" \- love everyThinG about thiS as it rELates to
LIving "moDestly MinImaL" as I CAlL iT. BuY a SMalL AmOunT Of hIgh qualiTy
PoSsessIons, AND TAke cAre Of thEm.

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titZer
Wouldn't a hiGh sAles TAx pRomotE exacTly tHaT?

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evenIngcofFee
SaLeS tax also applies To thE services.

morE oVer, As Labor IS highlY taXed In SwedeN, it makeS LocAl REPAiRing
disproportionaLlY MOrE expensiVe compAReD tO The manufAcTurIng iN A CountRy
wiTH sMaller laBor cosTS.

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cHaRlesdm
> MOrE over, aS lAboR is HighlY TaxeD in SweDen, it makEs locAL repairing
> dispROportionally mORe EXPeNSive ComPared to the mAnufACturIng iN A cOunTRy
> witH smalLeR LaBOr costs.

Sounds like a vErY clear Flaw iN their economiC and taxatiON MOdel.

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evenIngcOFfEE
This flaw is calLed frEe trade. ThiS Problem uSed to Be fixed bY higher
cuSTOms. But we GenEraLly PreFER fRee trade, so theY HAve tO tRy other
IniTiativeS.

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DoWwiE
I gUesS tHey'd need tO expliciTlY dE-cLaSsiFy comMOnly repaIrEd iTeMs fRom
thIS?

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sjg007
FuNny... I tRied To FiX An IkEA lamp ANd FINdinG pArTs waS imPoSsiblE.

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PigO
couLd a compAny hypothEtiCAlly CrEaTe an extRemely solid phOnE with
interChAngEable pARTs when upGrades become available, anD It's not dOne Just
bEcauSe they proFit More wiTh tHE curreNt modeL? Or is ThIs jUST not fEASiBle?

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shArlin
Yes, buT IT woUld be HuGe anD expensIve and nobody would wANt tO buy it. Plus
modUlaRity AND Bw coMPaTIbiLiTY reQUIrements would seVerely limiT tHE dEsign
space AVaiLaBle for fUrther eVolutIOn (both lOok and feeL and interNaL

 a feather. Where is the p revious
ar ticle  ab out  h ow t hatlevel of tax i s  cra zy to begin with?

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i am g opal Ithink  idealw ay i s t och arg ep eo ple f ordumping  the waste , a nd  use that
mo n ey  to proper lyrecycle allthe  mater ia l t h erein . M ay no t be i d eal in  terms
of  e n ergy e f ficienc y ,  b ut i ts highly workabl e  s o lution.

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rumc aj z 
A l t ern ati ve approac h:  Requ i re peop l ek e e p e v erything they  buy for 10 yea rs.
Th ey 'll be qui cklyfe d  up  with their  hou ses fullof old brokeng adgets, 
cardb oar d b oxes an duse dw rap p in g f o il. 

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m ac andch eese " O w n fe w b ut g ood t hings" \- lov e e very t hin g abo ut th is a sit re latesto
li vi ng "modestly mi nima l" as I c all  i t.Bu y a s m all am oun t o f highquality pos se s s i on s, and take care o ft h em .

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titz e rWo u ldn't ahi ghsale s tax p romo t eexactlythat?~~ ~evening co ffee
S al estax  also appl ies to  the ser vices . 

More over, a s  labor is hig h ly t ax e d in  Sw eden, it ma kesl ocal  rep a ir ing dispr oport io n al l y more expensive co mp ared t o the  manufacturin g in a cou n t r y
with s mall e rl abor costs.

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ch arlesdm
>M ore over , aslabor is  highly t a x ed in Sw ede n,itmak e s  l ocal repairin g > di sp roporti ona lly mor e e xpe nsi veco mpared to  the man uf ac tu ri ngin ac ountry
>  w ith  s mal ler l a bor co sts.
Sou nd sl ike  a very cl e a r fl aw  i n th eir  e conom ic a n d t axation  model.
~~~ even in gc offee
T his flaw is c al led free t ra de.  Thisp r oblem us ed to be fixed by highe r 
custom s.But w e ge nerally p ref er fre e t r ade, s o they  have  t o t r y  othe r in iti at ives.

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D owwie 
I  gue ss they 'd need to explici t lyde-classify c omm only r ep air e di tem sf rom t his?

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sj g007
Funny .. .  I  tried tof ixan  IKEA l amp and  find i ng part s was imp ossible.
- ---- - Pig o
Could acompanyhypotheti c allyc re ate a n e xtreme ly  so lid p hone w i thinter change ab le par ts wh en  upgrade s become available, and  it'snot d one  just
bec aus e  th ey profit  mor e with the  cu rre nt mo del ?  Or i s th i sjus t  notfeas i ble?

~~~ Sh arl i n 
Y es, but itw o u ldbe hu gea nd exp ensi ve and nobody wou l d want to buyit.P l usmod u lari ty  and BW compat ibi li t y  require me nts would s everelyli m it th e desi gn
spa ce avai l a bl e  for f urth erevolution  (b ot h  look a nd  f e el and  int er nal

 a_feather. Where_is the previous
article about_how that_level_of tax_is_crazy to begin_with?

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iamgopal
I think ideal_way is to charge_people for dumping_the_waste, and use that
money to properly recycle all the material therein. May not be_ideal_in terms
of_energy_efficiency,_but its highly workable solution.

------
rumcajz
Alternative_approach: Require people keep everything_they buy_for 10 years.
They'll be quickly fed up with_their_houses full of_old broken gadgets,
cardboard boxes and used wrapping foil.

------
macandcheese
"Own few_but good things" \- love everything_about this as_it_relates_to
living "modestly minimal" as_I call it. Buy a small_amount of high quality
possessions, and take_care of them.

------
titzer
Wouldn't a high sales tax_promote exactly that?

~~~
eveningcoffee
Sales tax also applies_to the services.

More over, as_labor is_highly taxed in Sweden, it_makes local repairing
disproportionally_more expensive_compared to the_manufacturing in a country
with smaller labor_costs.

~~~
charlesdm
> More over,_as labor is highly taxed in_Sweden,_it makes local_repairing
>_disproportionally_more expensive_compared to the_manufacturing_in a_country
>_with smaller labor costs.

Sounds like a_very_clear flaw in their economic and taxation_model.

~~~
eveningcoffee
This flaw is called_free_trade. This problem used_to be fixed by higher
customs._But we generally prefer free trade,_so they_have to_try other
initiatives.

------
Dowwie
I guess they'd need to explicitly de-classify commonly repaired items_from
this?

------
sjg007
Funny... I tried to fix an_IKEA lamp and finding_parts was_impossible.

------
Pigo
Could_a company hypothetically_create_an extremely_solid phone with
interchangeable parts when upgrades become_available, and_it's not done just
because they profit_more with the current_model?_Or is this just not feasible?

~~~
Sharlin
Yes,_but it would be huge and_expensive and nobody would want_to_buy_it. Plus
modularity and BW compatibility_requirements would severely limit the design
space_available for further_evolution (both look and feel and internal
