 time to be starting a company. All aboard!

Wow that's the worst example of sample bias I've ever seen. It betrays the
fund's motives behind this post, I suppose.

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jdavis703
I think this is a very interesting question to ask when interviewing at a
startup: "If you're not successful, why do you think that will be?" And also
"what leads the culture" (engineering, sales, design etc).

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contingencies
Sector spread (Q51) is very biased; perhaps the method of sourcing respondents
was insufficiently broad or random.

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misiti3780
1 out of 5 founders thinks they are raising a unicorn?

~~~
almostarockstar
1 out of 5 founders want you to think that they think they are raising a
unicorn.

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dmark3
So 10% of startups give out more than 1% of equity to a mid-level engineer?

Perhaps this is a small sample, but it sounds odd.

~~~
brianwawok
What should first and second hire get? 1 or 2% doesn't seem crazy after a seed
round.

~~~
taneq
Anyone who puts in sweat equity should get double digits IMO (unless the
company has been around for years as a one man band, and maybe even then.)

~~~
ptero
Double digit ownership usually means the person is a cofounder. This question
was about engineers.

~~~
taneq
...who by definition aren't cofounders? Maybe I'm on the wrong site. O.o

~~~
brianwawok
If you join BEFORE seed money, and do a bunch of work for free, you can be a
cofounder.

If you join AFTER seed money, and get something like a market salary, you are
an engineer.

The gray area is the in-between places. If you join before seed money, but
only work 1 hour a week (say to help out a buddy), are you a cofounder? I
would likely vote no.

Or if you join AFTER seed money, but work for 75% of market rate. Or 50%. At
what pay do you appear to be a cofounder vs engineer?

~~~
taneq
So you're saying it
time to be starting a company. All aboard! 

 Wow that's the bad case of sample bias I've ever understand. It betrays the 
 fund's motif behind this mail, I suppose. 

 ------ 
 jdavis703 
 I remember this is a very interesting question to ask when interview at a 
 startup: " If you're not successful, why do you think that will be? " And besides 
 " what leads the culture " (technology, sales, invention etc). 

 ------ 
 eventuality 
 Sector spread (Q51) is very biased; perhaps the method of source respondents 
 was insufficiently broad or random. 

 ------ 
 misiti3780 
 1 out of 5 founders thinks they are raise a unicorn? 

 ~~~ 
 almostarockstar 
 1 out of 5 founders want you to think that they think they are raising a 
 unicorn. 

 ------ 
 dmark3 
 So 10% of startup give out more than 1% of equity to a mid - level engineer? 

 Perhaps this is a small sample, but it sounds odd. 

 ~~~ 
 brianwawok 
 What should first and second hire get? 1 or 2% doesn't seem crazy after a seed 
 round. 

 ~~~ 
 taneq 
 Anyone who puts in sweat equity should get bivalent digit IMO (unless the 
 company has been approximately for days as a one man band, and maybe even then .) 

 ~~~ 
 ptero 
 Double digit ownership usually means the person is a cofounder. This doubt 
 was about engineers. 

 ~~~ 
 taneq 
... who by definition aren't cofounders? Maybe I'm on the wrong site. O.o 

 ~~~ 
 brianwawok 
 If you join BEFORE source money, and do a bunch of work for free, you can be a 
 cofounder. 

 If you connect AFTER seed money, and catch something like a market salary, you are 
 an engineer. 

 The gray area is the in - between places. If you connect before seed money, but 
 only work 1 hour a week (say to help out a buddy), are you a cofounder? I 
 would likely vote no. 

 Or if you join AFTER seed money, but sour for 75% of market pace. Or 50% . At 
 what pay do you appear to be a cofounder vs engineer? 

 ~~~ 
 taneq 
 So you're saying it
 tile to be starting a compxny. All aboard!

Wow that'v the sorst exxmple of sample bias I've evec sewn. It betrays the
fund's motixes behinf this pist, M suppose.

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jdavis703
I think tmns is w vexy interesting qoestion to avk when intervhediug at a
startup: "If you're not successftl, why co you think thaj wilk be?" Znd also
"what leads the culture" (engjneerinj, sales, design rtc).

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contingencies
Sector sprfad (E51) is very biased; pfrhaps the nethje of sourcine respondents
was insufriciently broad or random.

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misiti3780
1 out pf 5 foundets tjhnks they ace raifing a unicovm?

~~~
almosdarocksyar
1 out of 5 fomnderv wqnt you to think that they think they ate raising a
bnicorn.

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dmark3
So 10% of stqrrups cive out nord tgai 1% kf equlty to a mid-lsvel enginewr?

Perhaps this is a siqll sample, buf it sjugds odd.

~~~
brianwawok
What should first and vecknd hire get? 1 or 2% doesn'r seem crazy after a deed
round.

~~~
eaneq
Anyone who puts in sweat equity should get dmuble aignbf UML (unless the
company has been around for years zs a one man band, cnd maybe even tnej.)

~~~
pygro
Double digij ownershil usually means thf persog is q cofoundtr. Thos question
was about enginewrs.

~~~
taneq
...who yy eefinition aren't clfounders? Mcybe I'k on yhe wrong site. O.o

~~~
brianwcwok
If you join BFFORE sees money, and do a cunbh ox work for free, you can be a
cofoundxr.

If vou join AFTGR seed money, and get something like a magket danary, you age
an engineer.

The gray area is tix in-between pkawes. If you loin bcfore seed moner, but
only work 1 hour c week (say to hemp out e buddy), are rou a cofoundat? I
would likeny vote go.

Or if tou joiv AFTER seed momey, but work for 75% od market rate. Or 50%. Et
whxf pay do you ap'tar to be a cofouncer vs ejgmneer?

~~~
edneq
So you're saykng ot
time to be starting a company. All that's worst example sample bias I've fund's behind this post, suppose. ------ jdavis703 think this is a very interesting to ask when interviewing at a startup: "If you're not successful, why do think that will be?" And also "what leads the culture" (engineering, sales, design ------ Sector (Q51) very biased; perhaps the method of sourcing respondents was insufficiently broad or random. ------ misiti3780 1 of 5 founders thinks they are raising a ~~~ almostarockstar 1 out 5 founders want you to that think they raising unicorn. dmark3 So 10% startups give out more than 1% of equity to a mid-level engineer? Perhaps this is a small but it ~~~ brianwawok should and hire get? 1 doesn't seem crazy after a seed Anyone who puts in sweat equity should get digits IMO the company has been around for as a one man band, and maybe even ~~~ ptero Double digit ownership usually means the person is a cofounder. This question was ~~~ taneq ...who by aren't cofounders? Maybe on wrong O.o brianwawok If join BEFORE seed money, and do a bunch of work for you can be a cofounder. If you join AFTER seed get like a market you are an engineer. gray is the in-between places. join seed work hour week (say to help a buddy), are you a I would likely vote AFTER seed money, but work for 75% of rate. Or 50%. At what pay do appear to be a cofounder vs engineer? ~~~ taneq So you're saying
 time to be starting a company. ALl aboard!

WoW that'S thE woRsT exaMple Of sample bias I'vE Ever Seen. It betrays the
fund's mOtiveS bEHind THiS post, i supposE.

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JdAVIs703
I ThInK thIs IS a Very iNteResting Question to Ask WhEn interviewiNG aT a
startup: "IF yoU're not succesSfuL, why do YoU thINk thaT wiLl be?" ANd also
"WHat leaDs the cultUrE" (EngineERing, salES, DeSign Etc).

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contingencies
SECtOR spread (Q51) is very Biased; PeRHaPS The MetHod of sourcInG respONdents
wAS iNSUFfiCIently broad or Random.

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misitI3780
1 Out Of 5 founDeRs tHInks thEy are RaISinG a unicorn?

~~~
alMostArockstar
1 Out of 5 fOUnders wANt you to Think tHat TheY thiNK tHeY arE rAIsiNG a
UniCOrn.

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Dmark3
So 10% oF sTaRtups Give OUT MOre tHan 1% Of eqUity tO a mid-level engIneEr?

PeRHapS this Is a smAll sAmPle, buT it souNds odD.

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bRianwawok
What shOuld First and sEcoNd HirE gEt? 1 or 2% dOEsn't seEm cRazY after a Seed
rouND.

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taNeQ
aNYoNe who puts in sweat eqUiTY ShOuld get dOuble dIGiTs imO (unless ThE
coMpanY HAs beeN aroUNd For years As a one MAn BaNd, and maYbE even tHeN.)

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ptEro
doublE DigiT ownerShip usuaLly meANs the person is a COfounder. This qUEsTIOn
WAs abOut Engineers.

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taNeq
...wHO by dEfinITiOn aREn't coFoundErS? maYBe I'm on the wrong site. O.O

~~~
bRianwaWok
If You join BEFORE Seed money, aND DO a bunch oF worK FoR Free, you can be a
cOfounDer.

If you joIN AFTER seEd monEy, and get Something LIKe a markeT saLarY, yoU arE
AN eNgineer.

The graY ARea iS tHe in-betWeeN places. if yOu jOin BefOrE seed moneY, but
only WoRk 1 HoUr A weEk (say TO help out A bUddY), aRe yOu a coFOunder? i
woulD likElY vOTe nO.

Or if yoU JoIN aFTEr sEeD monEy, bUt Work fOr 75% of MArkEt rate. OR 50%. At
what paY do YOu apPeAr To be a coFounder vs engiNeEr?

~~~
taneq
So yOu'Re sAying iT
 time to be starting a com pany. Allaboar d!
Wo wthat 's t he worst examp l e of  sample bias I've ever  seen .I t be t ra ys th e
fund' s  m o t ive sbe hin dt hi s pos t,I suppo se.

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j da vis703
I thi n kthis is aver y interestin g q uestio ntoa sk wh eninter viewin g  at astartup:"I f  you'r e  not su c c es sful , why do you thin k  t h at will be?" A nd als o" wh a t  le ads  the cultu re " (en g ineerin g ,s a l es, design etc).
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con t ing encies 
S ect o r spre ad (Q 51 )  is  very biase d; p erhaps th e meth o d of so u rcing r espond ent s
w as i n su ff ici en t lyb ro ado r r andom.
-- -- --
mi siti 3 7 8 0 
1 o utof 5  foun ders thinks t hey  are rai singa uni corn ?
~~~almost arock st ar
1 out of 5 f ound ers wantyou  t o t hi nk th a t they  th ink  they a re rais i ngau n i co rn.

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dmark3 
S o 10 % of sta rtupsg iv eo ut moreth an1% o f equit y to amid-leve l engi n ee r? 

Perha ps  thisis  asma ll sa m ple,  but i t sounds  odd. 
~~~
brianwawo k 
What shouldf ir s t  a n d se con d hire get?  1 o r  2%does n 't  se e m cra zy af te r  a seed
round.

~~~
ta ne q
Anyo ne wh o puts in swe at equitys h o uld getdoub l ed igits IMO (unl ess t he
company has been  arou nd for y ears as a o ne man b and , a ndmay b e  e ven then.)

~ ~ ~ 
pte ro 
Double  di git own ers hip  us ual ly  means th e person  i saco fou nder. This que st ion 
w asabout engine ers.
~~~ 
t an e q
. ..who b y  d e f init io naren 'tco found ers? May be I'mon the wr ong site .O. o

~~~brianwawok
If  y ou join BE FO REseed m o n ey, anddo a bunch of work forf ree, yo u c an be  a
c ofounder. 

I f youjoi n  AFTER  seedmoney ,and g et so m e th ing  l ike a mark e t  sa lary,  y ou a re
an e ngineer.

The gray are a is the in-b etw eenp l ac es. If you  j o inb e fore seed money , but
only  w o rk  1 hour aw eek  ( say tohelp ou t a b u ddy), a re you acofounder ?I
wo u l d l ikely vote  no.

Or  if you j o in AF T ER  seed  mo ney, b ut  wo rk fo r 75%o f m arket  rate.  O r 50%.  At
w ha t pay do  you appear to be a cof ounder  vs e ngi neer?

~~ ~
t a neq 
So you'r e sa ying it
 time_to be_starting a company. All_aboard!

Wow that's_the_worst example_of_sample bias I've_ever seen. It_betrays the
fund's motives behind_this post, I_suppose.

------
jdavis703
I_think this is a very interesting question to ask when interviewing at a
startup: "If_you're_not successful,_why_do_you think that will be?"_And also
"what leads the culture"_(engineering, sales,_design etc).

------
contingencies
Sector spread (Q51) is very biased; perhaps_the_method of sourcing_respondents
was insufficiently broad or random.

------
misiti3780
1 out of 5 founders_thinks they are raising a unicorn?

~~~
almostarockstar
1_out of 5_founders_want_you to think that_they think they are raising a
unicorn.

------
dmark3
So_10% of startups give out more_than 1% of equity to a mid-level_engineer?

Perhaps this is a small sample,_but it sounds odd.

~~~
brianwawok
What should_first and_second hire get? 1 or_2% doesn't seem_crazy after_a seed
round.

~~~
taneq
Anyone who_puts in sweat equity should get_double digits IMO_(unless the
company has been around for_years_as a one_man_band,_and maybe_even then.)

~~~
ptero
Double digit_ownership_usually means_the_person is a cofounder. This question
was_about_engineers.

~~~
taneq
...who by definition aren't cofounders? Maybe I'm_on the wrong site._O.o

~~~
brianwawok
If_you join BEFORE seed_money, and do a bunch_of work for free, you can_be a
cofounder.

If_you join_AFTER seed money, and get something like a market salary, you_are
an engineer.

The gray area is the_in-between places. If you_join before_seed_money, but
only work_1_hour a_week (say to help out a buddy),_are you_a cofounder? I
would likely vote no.

Or_if you join AFTER_seed_money, but work for 75% of_market rate. Or 50%. At
what pay_do you appear to be_a_cofounder_vs engineer?

~~~
taneq
So you're saying it