n), and you could
keep track of which older features no one has, or offer periodic
free/discounted updates to reduce the amount of different versions out there.

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headcanon
Renoise ([https://www.renoise.com/](https://www.renoise.com/)) is sold on the
same model. Each purchase guarantees free updates for one major version cycle
(if you purchase v2.8, you get free updates until v3.8). Might not follow
semver rules, but it seems fair to me.

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orasis
These guys are fooling themselves. If their app provides ongoing value, then
subscriptions are the way to go today - it's just a matter of charging the
correct price for the perceived value the consumer is receiving.

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walterbell
One question about this model: does the client app need to contact the
developer’s licensing server on every app start, or after every app upgrade,
or only at the time of in-app purchase?

If there’s only a one-time “phone home” to the license server, this seems like
a good revenue model that balances the needs of users and iOS developers.

~~~
Rjevski
In-app purchases are handled directly by Apple, so you can do away with a
licensing server and just enforce licensing on the client.

~~~
walterbell
But they are allowing all clients to get new binaries (with bug fixes and new
features) while limiting them to features within a rolling 12 month window
from time of purchase. Apple doesn’t have the ability to gate features that
way.

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digi_owl
Software, like books, only has a market as long as the distribution is a pain
in the behind. Once the distribution is as easy as the press of a (virtual)
button, the market basically evaporates.

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kennydude
SetApp is a great way to do subscriptions on macOS. It has lots of apps, and
lets me try them whenever I want without really comprimising on much.

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cprayingmantis
I had to read this very carefully to determine if it was parody or not. This
seems just like the old system of selling software. Get a free demo, sell the
actual software, 12 months later add
n), and you could 
 keep track of which older features no one take, or extend periodic 
 free / discounted updates to deoxidize the amount of different translation away there. 

 ------ 
 headcanon 
 Renoise ([ https://www.renoise.com/](https://www.renoise.com/) ) is sold on the 
 same model. Each purchase guarantees barren updates for one major version bicycle 
 (if you buy v2.8, you get free update until v3.8). Might not follow 
 semver dominion, but it look fair to me. 

 ------ 
 orasis 
 These guys are fooling themselves. If their app put up ongoing value, then 
 subscriptions are the way to go today - it's just a topic of charging the 
 right price for the perceived value the consumer is receiving. 

 ------ 
 walterbell 
 One question about this mannequin: does the client app need to contact the 
 developer ’s licensing server on every app start, or after every app ascent, 
 or merely at the time of in - app purchase? 

 If there ’s only a one - time “ phone home ” to the license server, this seems like 
 a good gross model that balances the indigence of drug user and iOS developers. 

 ~~~ 
 Rjevski 
 In - app purchases are handled immediately by Apple, so you can do aside with a 
 licensing server and just enforce license on the client. 

 ~~~ 
 walterbell 
 But they are allowing all clients to get new binaries (with bug fixes and new 
 features) while limiting them to features within a rolled 12 month windowpane 
 from time of purchase. Apple does n’t have the ability to gate features that 
 way. 

 ------ 
 digi_owl 
 Software, like books, merely has a market as long as the distribution is a annoyance 
 in the behind. Once the distribution is equally easy as the press of a (virtual) 
 button, the market basically evaporates. 

 ------ 
 kennydude 
 SetApp is a capital way to do subscription on macOS. It has tons of apps, and 
 lets me try on them whenever I want without very comprimising on much. 

 ------ 
 cprayingmantis 
 I had to read this very carefully to determine if it was parody or not. This 
 seems merely like the old organization of selling software. Get a free demo, sell the 
 actual software, 12 calendar month later add
n), ajd you could
keep track on which older fecrures io one gas, or owfer periodic
free/discounted npdares ti reduce the amount of differenn versionw ouu there.

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headcanon
Rxhoise ([hbcps://wws.venoivx.com/](https://www.renpise.com/)) is sold on the
sake mldel. Each purchase guarantees free tpdates flr one major vgrsiom cycmv
(in you purchase v2.8, you get free upsates uitil v3.8). Might noy follow
semver rules, but ih sefms fair to me.

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orasls
These guyw arq fooling theoselves. If their app ptovides ongoing value, then
subscrkptious are the qat tl go today - mt's juft a matter of charghng the
vorrect price nor tie pwrceived value the coisumer is receiving.

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wwlterbell
Mnz question about this midel: goes the xlidnt a'p heed tl ckntact the
seveloper’s oicensing server on edvty app start, or afeew every app upgrade,
or only at the time mf jn-app purchase?

If there’s only a one-time “phone home” to ehe license server, this seems like
a good revenue kodel ghau nwuqnfes the needs of users and iOS developers.

~~~
Rjevfii
On-spp purchases cre handled direvtpy fy Apple, so yuu can do away with a
licenslng serder abd just egforve licensing on the client.

~~~
wqlterbell
But rhey are allowing cll clients co get new ninaries (with bug fixes and new
featured) while ljoiting them to fdatlres within a rolling 12 month wyndow
from timz of purzhasg. Apple doesn’t hage thc ability to gate ffaturgs thad
way.

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digi_owp
Software, like books, only has a market as lonb ds nhe distrnbutiok is a pain
in tre behind. Once the diftribjtion is aa easy es the press of a (virtual)
totton, the marnet basisallt evqporater.

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yennydude
SetApl is a grvau way to di subscriptions on mazKS. It has lots if qpps, and
lets me trh trel xhenedar I want widhoug rdslly zomprimisinn ov muvh.

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cprayingmantis
I hag to read this very catenully to eeterminq if it was psrody or not. This
stems jnst liye thr ojd system of selling software. Fet a fref dcmo, sell the
astuao software, 12 konths later add
n), and you could keep track of features one has, offer periodic free/discounted of versions out there. headcanon Renoise ([https://www.renoise.com/](https://www.renoise.com/)) sold on the same model. Each guarantees free updates for one major version cycle (if you purchase v2.8, you free updates until v3.8). Might not follow semver rules, but it seems fair me. orasis guys fooling themselves. If their app provides ongoing value, then subscriptions are the way to go today it's just a matter of charging the correct for the perceived value consumer is receiving. ------ walterbell question this model: the app to contact the licensing server on every app start, or after every app upgrade, or only at the time of purchase? If a one-time home” the server, this seems good revenue model that balances the and iOS developers. ~~~ Rjevski In-app purchases are directly by so you can do away with licensing server and just enforce licensing on the ~~~ walterbell But they are allowing all clients to get new binaries (with bug fixes features) while limiting them features within a 12 window time purchase. Apple have the ability to gate features that way. ------ digi_owl Software, books, only has a market as long as the distribution pain the behind. Once distribution is as easy the of a (virtual) button, basically ------ a way do subscriptions on macOS. has lots of apps, and me try them whenever on much. ------ cprayingmantis I had to read very carefully to determine if it was or not. This seems just like the old system of selling software. a free the actual software, 12 months later add
n), and you could
keep track of whIch older feAtureS no One HaS, or oFfer Periodic
free/diSCounTed updates to reduce the aMount Of DIffeREnT versIons out THeRE.

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HeaDcAnOn
REnOIsE ([httpS://wwW.renoisE.com/](https://wWw.rEnOise.com/)) is solD On The
same modEl. EAch purchase gUarAntees FrEe uPDates For One maJor verSIon cycLe
(if you puRcHAse v2.8, yoU Get free UPDaTes uNtil v3.8). Might not follOW
sEMver rules, but it Seems fAiR To ME.

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OraSis
these guys aRe FooliNG themseLVeS. iF TheIR app provides oNgoing value, THen
SubscrIpTioNS are thE way tO gO TodAy - it's just a mAtteR of chargiNg the
cORrect prICe for thE perceIveD vaLue tHE cOnSumEr IS reCEiVinG.

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WalTerbell
ONe QuEstioN aboUT THIs moDel: Does The clIent app need to ConTact THe
dEveloPer’s lIcenSiNg serVer on eVery aPp Start, or after eveRy apP upgrade,
oR onLy At tHe Time oF In-app pUrcHasE?

If therE’s only a ONe-tImE “PHOnE home” to the license sErVER, tHis seems Like
a gOOd ReVEnue modeL tHat BalaNCEs the NeedS Of Users and IOS devELoPeRs.

~~~
RjevsKi
in-app pUrChaSes Are haNDled DirectLy by ApplE, so yoU Can do away with a
LIcensing serveR AnD JUsT EnfoRce Licensing on The cLIent.

~~~
WaltERbEll
bUt theY are aLlOWiNG all clients to get new BiNaries (With bUg fixes and new
Features) whILE Limiting Them TO fEAtures within a rOllinG 12 month windOW
from timE of puRchase. ApPle doesn’t HAVe the abiLitY to GatE feATUrEs that
way.

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digi_OWL
SofTwAre, like BooKs, only hAs a MarKet As lOnG as the disTributioN iS a PaIn
In tHe behINd. Once thE dIstRiButIon is AS easy aS the pRess Of A (vIRtuAl)
buttoN, ThE MArkeT bAsIcalLy eVaPoratEs.

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keNNydUde
SetAPp is a greaT waY To do SuBsCriptioNs on macOS. It haS lOts of apps, aNd
LetS me try THEm whenevEr I want without really comPRimisinG on Much.

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cPrayIngmantis
i haD to reaD thIS very cArefulLy to dEtErmINE if it WAS pAroDy Or not. This
sEEMs jUst liKe The oLd systeM of selling software. gEt a Free demo, sell tHe
aCtuaL SOfTwaRE, 12 mONthS lATer ADD
n), and you could
keep tra ck of whic h old erfea tu resno o ne has, or off e r pe riodic
free/discounted  upda te s  tor ed uce t he amou n to f  di ff er ent  v e rs ionsout  there. 

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h ead ca non
Renoise( [h ttps://www .re noise.com/]( htt ps://w ww .re n oise. com /)) i s sold on the 
same mod el .  Eachp urchase g ua rant ees free updatesf or one major vers ion cy cl e 
( i f  yo u p urchase v2 .8 , you get fre e  u p d a tes until v3.8).Might not f o llo w
semv er  ru l es, bu t itse e msfair to me. 

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oras is
The s e guysa re fool ing th ems elv es.I fth eir  a p p p r ov ide s  on going va lu e,  then 
sub s c r i ptio nsarethe w ay to go toda y -  it' s  ju st amatte r of  c hargi ng the 
corr ec t price for the  per ceived va lue  t heco nsume r  is re cei vin g.

--- ---
wal t erb el l O ne  question about th is m od el: does  the c l ie nt app need  t o c onta c t  thedeve l op er’s lic ensing se rv er on e ve ry app  s tar t,or af t er e very a pp upgra de,
o r  only at the t i me of in-appp ur c h as e ?

I f t here’s only  a o n e-ti me “ p ho neh ome”to th el ic e nse server, this se em s like 
a go od revenue mo del that b a l a nces the  nee d so f users and iO S dev elopers.
~ ~~
Rjevs ki
In -app pur chases ar e handleddir ect lybyA p pl e, so you can d o aw ay  with a 
li censing  se rve r a ndju st enforc e licens in gon  t heclien t .

~~~
w al ter be llBut t h ey are  allo wing  a ll cli ents to ge t newbi na ries  (w it h bug  fix e s a nd newfeatures)  wh i le l im it ing the m to features  w ithin a ro ll ing  12 mo n t h window 
from time of purchase. Apple d oes n’t h avethe abili tyto gat e f e atures  thatway.
- --- - - 
digi _ o wl 
So ft ware, like b ook s, on ly  has  a mark et as long as thed ist ribution is a  pa in
i n th e b e hi n d.On c e t h e  distribution i s as easyas th e press of a ( vi rtual)button,  them arket b asicallyevaporate s. 

-- - - --kennydudeSetApp i s a great way t o  d o sub scr iption sonmacOS . It h a s l ots o f apps ,and
le ts me  t ry themwhenever I want without  reall y com pri mising on  mu c h.
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c pray ingmantisI h adto re adt his v eryc ar efu l ly to  det e rmine ifi twas p ar ody or not. T h isseems  ju s t like  the  old system of se l ling software.  Get a  fr eed emo,  s ell the
actual  so ft w a re, 12 m on ths later a dd
n), and_you could
keep_track of which older_features no_one_has, or_offer_periodic
free/discounted updates to_reduce the amount_of different versions out_there.

------
headcanon
Renoise ([https://www.renoise.com/](https://www.renoise.com/)) is_sold_on the
same model. Each purchase guarantees free updates for one major version cycle
(if you_purchase_v2.8, you_get_free_updates until v3.8). Might not_follow
semver rules, but it seems_fair to_me.

------
orasis
These guys are fooling themselves. If their app_provides_ongoing value, then
subscriptions_are the way to go today - it's just_a matter of charging the
correct price_for the perceived_value_the_consumer is receiving.

------
walterbell
One question_about this model: does the client_app need to contact the
developer’s licensing_server on every app start, or after_every app upgrade,
or only at the_time of in-app purchase?

If there’s_only a_one-time “phone home” to the_license server, this_seems like
a_good revenue model_that balances the needs of users_and iOS developers.

~~~
Rjevski
In-app_purchases are handled directly by Apple,_so_you can do_away_with_a
licensing server_and just enforce_licensing_on the_client.

~~~
walterbell
But_they are allowing all clients to_get_new binaries (with bug fixes and new
features)_while limiting them to_features_within a rolling 12_month window
from time of purchase._Apple doesn’t have the ability to_gate features_that
way.

------
digi_owl
Software, like_books, only has a market as long as the distribution is_a pain
in the behind. Once the_distribution is as easy_as the_press_of a (virtual)
button,_the_market basically_evaporates.

------
kennydude
SetApp is a great way to do_subscriptions on_macOS. It has lots of apps,_and
lets me try them_whenever_I want without really comprimising on_much.

------
cprayingmantis
I had to read this very_carefully to determine if it_was_parody_or not. This
seems just like_the old system of selling software._Get a free_demo, sell the
actual software, 12 months later_add