 there is then the question of would you have made that $150 profit
without spending the $20? Or did you actually make more than one sale from
those $20 worth of ads (e.g. in-store sales etc in addition to purchases made
online). I am not involved in online advertising now, but at the time that was
the trillion dollar question that everyone was trying to answer... no idea if
it is solved now.

------
creaghpatr
Given what they are trying to do to Scott Alexander, it's hard to take NYT's
reporting angle seriously.

------
avsteele
This is a poor article. It mixes up several different issues and lumps them
together as if they were one thing. Strongly ideological companies aren't
going to behave like the bulk of their customers.

I read this as yet another shot from the NYT against tech in general. It's
propaganda.

------
donw
After the SSC debacle, NYT is likely to learn itself a thing or two about
boycotts.

~~~
intsunny
If we punish respected organizations (of any kind) for every gaffe, we would
not have any left.

In an era where the journalists are more under attack than ever, we might want
to remember it is easier to tear things down than build them up.

~~~
Veen
What about gaffes like the 1619 Project, the shortcomings and errors of which
the NYT steadfastly refused to correct in the face of criticisms from
historians. At a certain point, when the gaffes all line up in one direction,
one might reasonably suspect an underlying motive.

~~~
ciarannolan
What were some of the issues with the 1619 Project?

~~~
solarwind
The main thesis of the 1619 project was that the colonists decided to declare
their independence from Britain because they wanted to protect the institution
of slavery. This is categorically false according to actual historians, and so
the NYT had to issue a correction (some 7 months later). None of the leading
scholars of the whole period from the Revolution to the Civil War were
consulted on the project, yet now it is being taught in some public schools

~~~
Veen
> yet now it is being taught in some public schools

That's the
there is then the question of would you have made that $ 150 profit 
 without spend the $ 20? Or did you actually name more than one sale from 
 those $ 20 worth of ads (e.g. in - store sale etc in addition to purchases have 
 online). I am not involved in online ad nowadays, but at the time that was 
 the trillion dollar motion that everyone was trying to answer... no estimate if 
 it is clear now. 

 ------ 
 creaghpatr 
 Given what they are trying to do to Scott Alexander, it's hard to learn NYT's 
 reporting angle badly. 

 ------ 
 avsteele 
 This is a poor article. It mixes up respective different issue and lumps them 
 together as if they were one thing. Strongly ideological companies aren't 
 belong to behave like the bulk of their customers. 

 I read this as yet another snapshot from the NYT against tech in general. It's 
 propaganda. 

 ------ 
 donw 
 After the SSC debacle, NYT is likely to learn itself a thing or two about 
 boycotts. 

 ~~~ 
 intsunny 
 If we punish respected organizations (of any kind) for every gaffe, we would 
 not have any entrust. 

 In an era where the journalists are more under approach than always, we might desire 
 to remember it is easier to tear things down than build them up. 

 ~~~ 
 Veen 
 What about gaffes like the 1619 Project, the shortcomings and errors of which 
 the NYT firm refused to correct in the face of criticisms from 
 historians. At a certain point, when the gaffes all line up in one direction, 
 one might reasonably suspect an implicit in motive. 

 ~~~ 
 ciarannolan 
 What were some of the topic with the 1619 Project? 

 ~~~ 
 solarwind 
 The chief thesis of the 1619 project was that the colonists decide to declare 
 their independence from Britain because they wanted to protect the institution 
 of bondage. This is categorically fake according to actual historians, and indeed 
 the NYT had to write out a correction (some 7 months subsequently). None of the leading 
 scholar of the whole time period from the Revolution to the Civil War were 
 consulted on the undertaking, yet now it is being taught in some public schools 

 ~~~ 
 Veen 
 > yet immediately it is being taught in some public school 

 That's the
 thfre is then the question of would you hcce madx that $150 profit
wkthout spending the $20? Or did bou qctuaoly make more than one sale frol
those $20 qorti of ads (e.g. in-store sales etc jk addntmon to purchasex made
onlite). I am not ineouvzd in online advertising now, but at ehe timr hhat was
the tryllipg domlar question that everyone was trging to answer... no idra if
it is solved now.

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creagjpatg
Given what they age trying ti do ro Scott Alebander, it's hard to takg NYT's
reporting angle seriously.

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axsteeke
This is q poog article. It mixef up several differett issurs and lumps tmem
tojethwr as if they were onx thing. Strongly idejlogical wojpanies aren't
goint ro bevave likd thd bhll kf thelr rustomers.

I dead this aw yet another shot grjn the NYT agajnst tqcr in general. It's
propaganda.

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donw
After the SSD debacle, NYT is likely to learn itself a thlng or twj about
boycotts.

~~~
intsunny
If we punish respected orgdnizaviuns (on anh klnd) for every gaffe, we would
not have any left.

Yh sn era where the journalistx wrr more under ajtack tkzn ever, we might wanh
to remgmber ut is easyer yo tear things down than buuld them up.

~~~
Vven
Wyat about gaffes lnke the 1619 Prolect, tne shprtcomings and errors oy whicg
the NYT stfadfastly fefused to correzt pn tve face of criticisms from
ristorianw. At a certxin koint, wren the gavfes all line up in one firecjion,
ona might rewsonably suspect an underlying motive.

~~~
ciarannokat
Whdt were fome pf the issues with the 1619 Prolect?

~~~
solaxwind
Tfe main thvsis of tie 1619 project ras that the wllonists decmded to dqclaee
thwir inddoendence from Nritain bvccuse they wanted to protect thg jnstitution
of soavtrt. This is cateborkcajlj felse wwcording to dctuxl fostorkans, and so
bhe NYT had to issue a corractikn (some 7 months layev). None of the leaqing
scholars pf the whole periof frok tie Revplujion to the Civil War were
consumted on tje iroject, yet njw ib is being tauyht in some public schools

~~~
Veen
> yet now iv is being taught in sone public schools

Thct'x the
there is then the question of would made $150 profit spending the $20? more one sale from $20 worth of (e.g. in-store sales etc in addition purchases made online). I am not involved in online advertising now, but at time that was the trillion dollar question that everyone was trying to answer... idea it solved ------ creaghpatr Given what they are trying to do to Scott Alexander, it's hard to take reporting angle seriously. ------ avsteele This is a article. It mixes up different issues and lumps them as they were thing. ideological aren't going to like the bulk of their customers. I read this as yet another shot from the NYT against in general. ------ donw the debacle, is likely to a thing or two about boycotts. we punish respected organizations (of any kind) for gaffe, we not have any left. In an where the journalists are more under attack than we might want to remember it is easier to tear things down than build them Veen What about gaffes the 1619 Project, shortcomings errors which NYT steadfastly to correct in the face of criticisms from historians. At a point, when the gaffes all line up in one direction, reasonably an underlying motive. ciarannolan What were some the with the 1619 Project? The thesis project that colonists decided to declare independence from Britain because they to protect the institution false according to actual historians, and so the had to issue a correction (some 7 later). None of the leading scholars of the whole period from the to the were consulted on the project, yet now it being taught in some schools ~~~ Veen > yet now it is being in public schools the
 there is then the question of wOuld you havE made ThaT $150 prOfIt
wiThouT spending the $20? Or DId yoU actually make more than oNe salE fROm
thOSe $20 Worth Of ads (e.g. IN-sTORe sAlEs Etc In ADdItion To pUrchaseS made
onlinE). I aM nOt involved in ONlIne advertiSinG now, but at the TimE that wAs
The TRilliOn dOllar QuestiON that eVeryone waS tRYing to ANswer... no IDEa If
it Is solved now.

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creaghPAtR
given what they aRe tryiNg TO dO TO ScOtt alexander, iT's Hard tO Take NYT'S
RePORTinG Angle seriouslY.

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avsteele
ThIS is A poor aRtIclE. it mixeS up seVeRAl dIfferent issUes aNd lumps thEm
togeTHer as if THey were One thiNg. STroNgly IDeOlOgiCaL ComPAnIes ARen'T
going to BeHaVe likE the BULK Of thEir CustOmers.

i read this as yeT anOtheR ShoT from The NYt agaInSt tecH in genEral. IT's
Propaganda.

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donw
AFter The SSC debAclE, NyT iS lIkely TO learn ItsElf A thing oR two aboUT
boYcOTTS.

~~~
iNtsunny
If we punish rEsPECtEd organiZationS (Of AnY Kind) for eVeRy gAffe, WE Would
Not hAVe Any left.

IN an era WHeRe The jourNaLists aRe MorE unDer atTAck tHan eveR, we might Want
tO Remember it is eaSIer to tear thinGS dOWN tHAn buIld Them up.

~~~
Veen
WHat aBOut gAffeS LiKe tHE 1619 ProjEct, thE sHOrTComings and errors of wHiCh
the NyT steAdfastly refusEd to correcT IN The face oF criTIcISms from
historiAns. At A certain poINt, when thE gaffEs all linE up in one dIREction,
onE miGht ReaSonABLy Suspect an undeRLYing MoTive.

~~~
ciaRanNolan
WhAt wEre SomE of ThE issues wiTh the 1619 ProJeCt?

~~~
SoLaRwiNd
The MAin thesiS oF thE 1619 pRojEct waS That thE coloNistS dEcIDed To declaRE
tHEIr inDePeNdenCe fRoM BritAin bECauSe they wAnted to prOteCT the InStItution
Of slavery. This Is CategoricaLlY faLse accORDing to acTual historians, and so
the Nyt had to iSsuE a corRectIon (some 7 moNthS later). nonE Of the lEading
ScholArS of THE wholE PErIod FrOm the RevolUTIon To the ciVil WAr were
cOnsulted on the projeCT, yeT now it is being TauGht iN SOmE puBLiC SchOoLS

~~~
VeEN
> Yet now it is being Taught in soMe PUbLic schools

tHat'S tHe
 there is then the questio n of would  youhav e m ad e th at $ 150 profit
wit h outspending the $20? Or d id yo ua ctua l ly  make  more t h an o nesa le  fr om th ose $ 20worth o f ads (e.g . i n- store salese tc  in additi onto purchases  ma de
onl in e). I amnot  invo lved i n  onlin e adverti si n g now, but att h etime  that was
the tri l li o n dollar quest ion th at ev e r yon e w as tryingto  answ e r... no id e a ifi t is solved n ow.

------ cre aghpat rGiv e n what  they  a r e t rying to do  toScott Ale xander ,  it's h a rd to t ake NY T's 
re port i ng  a ngl es eri o us ly. 
-- ----
avs te el e
Thi s is a p oorart icle . Itmixes up seve ral  dif f ere nt is suesandlu mps t hem
to gethe ras if they were  one  thing. S tro ng lyid eolog i cal co mpa nie s aren' t
going tobe h a v elike the bulk of t he i r  c ustomers .

I r e ad  t h is as ye tano ther s hot f romt he  NYT aga inst t e ch  i n gener al . It's 
p rop aga nda.---- --
don w
Afterthe S S C debacle, NYT is likely tol ea r n  i t self  athing or tw o ab o ut
b oyco t ts .
~ ~~
in tsunn yI fw e punish respectedor ganiza tions  (of any kind ) for ever y g affe, we  wou l dn ot have any le ft.
In an eraw here the  jour nalistsare moreu n der atta cktha n e ver , we  might want
t o reme mb er it i s e asier t o t ear  th ing sdown than  build t he mup .
~~ ~
Vee n 
What ab ou t g af fes  like the 16 19 Pr ojec t,  t h e s hortcom i ng s ander ro rs o f w hi ch
th e NY T  st eadfast ly refuse d t o  cor re ct  in the  face of crit ic isms fromhi sto rians. A t a cert ain point, when the gaf f es alllin e upin o ne direct ion ,
onemig h t reas onably  susp ec t a n under l y in g m ot ive.

~~~c i ara nnola nWhat  were s ome of the issuesw ith  the 1619 Pro jec t?
~ ~ ~sol a rw i ndTh e  ma i n  thesis of the1619 proje ct wa s that the col on ists de cided t o dec l are
the ir indepe ndence fr om  Bri t a inbecause th ey wante d to prot e ct th e  i nstit uti on
ofsl ave ry. T his is cat egori callyfa lse ac cordi ng  to actu al historians, and so
t he NYT  hadtoissue a c orr e cti on (some7 mo nths later ).Non e ofthe leadi ng
s c ho lar s  of t he w h ole perio d  f rom t he  Revolution t o  th e Civ ilW ar wer e
co nsulted on the pr o ject, yet nowit i s bei ngt augh tin some public  sc ho o l s

~~~
V ee n
> yet now  it is b ei n g tau ght in  somepublics c ho o ls

Th at's  th e
 there_is then_the question of would_you have_made_that $150_profit
without_spending the $20?_Or did you_actually make more than_one sale from
those_$20_worth of ads (e.g. in-store sales etc in addition to purchases made
online). I am_not_involved in_online_advertising_now, but at the time_that was
the trillion dollar question_that everyone_was trying to answer... no idea if
it is_solved_now.

------
creaghpatr
Given what they_are trying to do to Scott Alexander, it's hard_to take NYT's
reporting angle seriously.

------
avsteele
This is_a poor article._It_mixes_up several different issues_and lumps them
together as if they_were one thing. Strongly ideological companies_aren't
going to behave like the bulk of_their customers.

I read this as yet_another shot from the NYT_against tech_in general. It's
propaganda.

------
donw
After the SSC_debacle, NYT is_likely to_learn itself a_thing or two about
boycotts.

~~~
intsunny
If we punish_respected organizations (of_any kind) for every gaffe, we_would
not_have any left.

In_an_era_where the_journalists are more_under_attack than_ever,_we might want
to remember it is_easier_to tear things down than build them_up.

~~~
Veen
What about gaffes like_the_1619 Project, the shortcomings_and errors of which
the NYT_steadfastly refused to correct in the_face of_criticisms from
historians._At a certain point, when the gaffes all line up in_one direction,
one might reasonably suspect an_underlying motive.

~~~
ciarannolan
What were some_of the_issues_with the 1619_Project?

~~~
solarwind
The_main thesis_of the 1619 project was that the_colonists decided_to declare
their independence from Britain because_they wanted to protect_the_institution
of slavery. This is categorically false_according to actual historians, and so
the_NYT had to issue a_correction_(some_7 months later). None of_the leading
scholars of the whole period_from the Revolution_to the Civil War were
consulted on the_project,_yet now it is being taught_in_some public schools

~~~
Veen
> yet now it_is_being_taught in some public schools

That's_the