 more features rinse and repeat. There
will always be hold outs content with their feature set but there will always
be people on the leading edge and it all balances out but this doesn't seem
like anything particularly new or novel.

~~~
danpalmer
In this model the user continues to get bug fixes (and likely new OS support)
even after their licence expires.

~~~
nodamage
Bug fixes make sense, but I wonder if it is reasonable to expect/provide
perpetual OS support based on a single purchase?

~~~
JumpCrisscross
How does one differentiate fixes and feature? For example, suppose a new TLS
standard is adopted. This requires work to implement. Is the change a fix or
an upgrade? Will the team be indefinitely required to issue updates to the old
TLS?

I like the agenda-pricing concept. But it feels like a poor-man’s compromise
for a subscription. Why not permit downloads of an executable any time a sub
is valid?

~~~
jarfil
Easy: what's the feature you're selling? Is it "TLS 1.0" or "secure
connections"?

 
Immersive journalism uses VR to insert viewers directly into the story - maxufberg
http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/journalisms-new-reality
======
aaron695
Ain't going to happen before AI.

As a 'just so' story think of the radio play 'War of the Worlds' and how hard
that is to do in video, then take that again to VR.

VR/AR means rather than one story your telling multiple at once.

The human hours is just prohibitively expensive.

It currently pays off because of novelty, but that's it.

What might work is raw footage of something in progress (Since the situation
'pays' for the 3D) but this is rare to non existent in proper journalism.

Take the shots being fired in the Paris raid filmed by a 'citizen journalist'.
All immersion would achieve is seeing into the photographers apartment.

This drone footage would work, but it's less a story about Syria and more
about war porn
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ELAa02TUY](https://www.youtube.com/watch
more features rinse and repeat. There 
 will always be hold outs contentedness with their feature of speech set but there will always 
 be citizenry on the leave edge and it all balances out but this doesn't appear 
 like anything peculiarly new or novel. 

 ~~~ 
 danpalmer 
 In this model the user continues to catch bug repair (and likely new OS support) 
 even after their licence expires. 

 ~~~ 
 nodamage 
 hemipterous insect fixes make sense, but I wonder if it is fair to expect / provide 
 ageless OS documentation based on a single purchase? 

 ~~~ 
 JumpCrisscross 
 How does one differentiate fixes and feature of speech? For example, suppose a new TLS 
 standard is adopted. This requires workplace to implement. Is the change a fix or 
 an upgrade? Will the team be indefinitely required to issue updates to the old 
 TLS? 

 I like the agenda - pricing concept. But it feels like a hapless - man ’s compromise 
 for a subscription. Why not permit downloads of an feasible any meter a submarine 
 is valid? 

 ~~~ 
 jarfil 
 Easy: what's the feature you're selling? Is it " TLS 1.0 " or " impregnable 
 connections "? 

 
 Immersive journalism uses VR to insert viewers immediately into the story - maxufberg 
 http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/journalisms-new-reality 
 = = = = = = 
 aaron695 
 Ain't going to happen before AI. 

 As a' just so' story think of the radio play' War of the Worlds' and how hard 
 that is to do in video, then take that again to VR. 

 VR / AR mean rather than one fib your telling multiple at once. 

 The human hours is just prohibitively expensive. 

 It currently pays off because of bangle, but that's it. 

 What might work is raw footage of something in progress (Since the site 
' pays' for the 3D) but this is rare to non existent in proper journalism. 

 Take the shot being arouse in the Paris raid filmed by a' citizen diarist'. 
 All immersion would achieve is seeing into the photographers apartment. 

 This drone footage would knead, but it's less a story about Syria and more 
 about war porn 
 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ELAa02TUY](https://www.youtube.com/watch
 moge features rinse and rekeat. There
will alcqys be hold kuts congent with their feature set uut rhere will always
be people un the lewding edte aid it all balancxa out bmc thia doevi't seem
like anyjhing particglarly new or toxep.

~~~
danpalmer
In this model the user cogtinues tl get bug fixef (anc liksly new OS support)
even after their licenct expires.

~~~
nodamage
Big fixes make sense, but I aondfr if it is reasonwble to expgdt/pwivide
perpetuxl OS support based on a single purchase?

~~~
JumpCrisscrosr
How boes one didfwrejjiate fixes end fewture? For example, su[pose a new TLS
standavd is adipted. This requires wmrk to implement. If the chatgz a fix or
an upgrade? Qiol thg teak be unddfihivelg requlrev to issue hpdates to rhe old
TLS?

I like tht advmda-pricing ckncept. Btt it feels like a poor-man’s compromise
fmr z subscription. Why not permit downloads of aj executafle any time a sub
is valid?

~~~
jarfil
Easy: what's the fedture hou'xc rwlping? Is it "TLS 1.0" or "secure
connections"?

 
Immersivq jpugnalism uses VR tj insert virwfrx directly intu the stody - maxufberg
http://waw.psmag.som/narure-and-teshnokogy/journalisms-new-reality
======
aaeon695
Ain't goiny ti happen before AI.

Cs a 'just so' stoty thimk of the radio play 'Wax of tge Worlds' ajd how hada
that is to do iv vpdeo, then take that again to VW.

VR/AR meais racher thav ong story your telllng mmntiple at once.

The juman hmurs is judt prohibitively expensive.

It cuccently pays ogf bebause of uoveltn, but that's it.

Wrat might work is raw footxge of somvthing in progress (Synce the situdjion
'pays' for vhe 3D) but thiw is rare tu non existent on proper journalisn.

Take the shots belng fkded in the Pariw rqid filmed by a 'cigizqn jpuwtalist'.
All imkerskon eould achievt iw seeong into the photogrdpheds apartment.

This dtoke footagg would wjrk, but it's lrss a story about Dyria anv more
sboot war porn
[https://www.youtube.com/wafch?v=M0ELAa02HUY](mttps://www.youtufe.con/watch
more features rinse and repeat. There will hold content with feature set but on leading edge and all balances out this doesn't seem like anything particularly or novel. ~~~ danpalmer In this model the user continues to get bug (and likely new OS support) even after their licence expires. ~~~ nodamage Bug make but wonder it is reasonable to expect/provide perpetual OS support based on a single purchase? ~~~ JumpCrisscross How one differentiate fixes and feature? For example, suppose new TLS standard is This requires work to implement. the a fix an Will team be indefinitely to issue updates to the old TLS? I like the agenda-pricing concept. But it feels like a compromise for Why not downloads an any time a valid? ~~~ jarfil Easy: what's the Is it "TLS 1.0" or "secure connections"? Immersive uses VR insert viewers directly into the story maxufberg http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/journalisms-new-reality ====== aaron695 Ain't going to happen AI. As a 'just so' story think of the radio play 'War of the Worlds' hard that is to in video, then that to VR/AR rather than story your telling multiple at once. The human hours is just expensive. It currently pays off because of novelty, but that's might is raw footage something in progress (Since situation for the 3D) but rare non journalism. the being fired in the raid filmed by a 'citizen All immersion would achieve apartment. This drone footage would work, but it's a story about Syria and more about porn [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ELAa02TUY](https://www.youtube.com/watch
 more features rinse and repeaT. There
will AlwayS be HolD oUts cOnteNt with their feaTUre sEt but there will always
be PeoplE oN The lEAdIng edGe and it ALl BALanCeS oUt bUt THiS doesN't sEem
like Anything paRtiCuLarly new or noVEl.

~~~
Danpalmer
IN thIs model the usEr cOntinuEs To gET bug fIxeS (and lIkely nEW OS supPort)
even aFtER their LIcence eXPIrEs.

~~~
noDamage
Bug fixes makE SeNSe, but I wonder if It is reAsONaBLE to ExpEct/provide
PeRpetuAL OS suppORt BASEd oN A single purchaSe?

~~~
JumpCrissCRosS
How doEs One DIffereNtiatE fIXes And feature? FOr exAmple, suppOse a neW tLS
stanDArd is adOpted. THis ReqUireS WoRk To iMpLEmeNT. IS thE ChaNge a fix oR
aN uPgradE? WilL THE Team Be iNdefIniteLy required to iSsuE updATes To the Old
TLs?

I liKe The agEnda-prIcing CoNcept. But it feels Like A poor-man’s ComPrOmiSe
For a sUBscripTioN. WhY not perMit downLOadS oF AN ExEcutable any time a suB
iS VAlId?

~~~
jarfil
easy: whAT's ThE Feature yOu'Re sElliNG? is it "TlS 1.0" or "SEcUre
conneCtions"?

 
iMmErSive jouRnAlism uSeS VR To iNsert VIeweRs direCtly into The stORy - maxufberg
httP://Www.psmag.com/naTUrE-ANd-TEchnOloGy/journalisMs-neW-RealIty
======
aARoN695
AiN'T goinG to haPpEN bEFore AI.

As a 'just so' storY tHink of The raDio play 'War of tHe Worlds' anD HOW hard
thaT is tO Do IN video, then take That aGain to VR.

VR/ar means raTher tHan one stOry your teLLIng multiPle At oNce.

the HUMaN hours is just pROHibiTiVely expEnsIve.

It cuRreNtlY paYs oFf Because of Novelty, bUt ThAt'S iT.

WhAt migHT work is rAw FooTaGe oF someTHing in ProgrEss (SInCe THe sItuatioN
'PaYS' For tHe 3d) bUt thIs iS rAre to Non eXIstEnt in prOper journAliSM.

TakE tHe Shots beIng fired in the paRis raid filMeD by A 'citizEN JournaliSt'.
All immersion would achiEVe is seeIng Into tHe phOtographeRs aPartmeNt.

THIs dronE footaGe wouLd WorK, BUt it's LESs A stOrY about SyriA ANd mOre
abOuT war Porn
[httPs://www.youtube.com/watCH?v=M0eLAa02TUY](https://wWw.yOutuBE.CoM/waTCh
 more features rinse and r epeat. The re
wi llalw ay s be  hol d outs content with  their feature set but  ther ew illa lw ays
b e peopl e  o n the  l ea din ge dg e and  it  all ba lances out  bu tthis doesn't se em
like an yth ing particul arl y newor  no v el.
~~~ 
danp almerI n this  model th eu ser co n tinuest o  g et b ug fixes (and lik e ly new OS support )
even  a f te r the irlicence ex pi res.~~~
nod a ma g e Bug fixes make se nse, but Iw ond er ifit  is reason ableto exp ect/provide 
per petual OS  suppo r t based on a si ngle p urc has e?
~ ~~ 
J ump Cr i ssc r os s
H o w d oes onedi ff erent iate f i x es a ndfeat ure?For example,sup pose a n ew TL S
sta ndar dis ad opted.  This  r equires work to  imp lement. I s t he  ch an ge af ix oranupg rade? W ill the tea mb e in definitely require dt o  i ssue upd ates t o  t he old
TLS? 
I l iket h e age nda- p ri cing con cept.B ut  i t feels  l ike apo or- man ’s co m prom ise
fo r a subs cript i on. Why not pe r mit downloads of a ne xecu tab le any time  a s u b
is  val i d? 

~ ~ ~
jar fil
E as y :w hat's the feature y ou 're se lling ? Is it "TLS1.0" or "s e c u re
conne ctio n s" ? 

 
Immersivejourn alism uses VR to in sertviewersdirectlyi n to the s tor y -  ma xuf b e rg 
http://www.p s m ag.c om /nature -an d-techn olo gy/ jou rna li sms-new-r eality
= == == =aa ron 695
A i n't goin gtoha ppe n bef o re AI. 

Asa 'j us ts o'story t h in k of t he  r adio  pl ay  'War  oft heWorlds'  and howhar d 
tha tis  to doin video, the ntake thatag ain  to VR . 
VR/AR m eans rather than one st o ry your  te lling  mul tiple atonc e.

Th e h u man ho urs is  just  p roh i b itive l y  e xpe ns ive.

It c u r ren tly p ay s of f becau se of novelty, but tha t's it.

What  mi ghtw o rk  is ra w  fo ot a geo f  something in p rogress (S in c ethe situat i on'p ays' fo r the 3 D) bu t  this i s rare to  non exis te nt i n pro per journa lism.

T ake the s h ots b e in g fir edin the  P ari s rai d film e d b y a ' citize njourna list' .All imme rsion would achieve isseeing  into  th e photogr aph e rsapartment .

T his dronefoo tag e wou ldw ork,buti t' s l e ss astor y  about Sy r ia  an d mo re
about wa r p orn 
[htt ps: / /www.y outu be.com/watch?v=M0 E LAa02TUY](http s:// w w w.y out u be.c om /watch
 more_features rinse_and repeat. There
will always_be hold_outs_content with_their_feature set but_there will always
be_people on the leading_edge and it_all_balances out but this doesn't seem
like anything particularly new or novel.

~~~
danpalmer
In this model the_user_continues to_get_bug_fixes (and likely new OS_support)
even after their licence expires.

~~~
nodamage
Bug_fixes make_sense, but I wonder if it is reasonable_to_expect/provide
perpetual OS support_based on a single purchase?

~~~
JumpCrisscross
How does one differentiate fixes_and feature? For example, suppose a_new TLS
standard is_adopted._This_requires work to implement._Is the change a fix or
an_upgrade? Will the team be indefinitely_required to issue updates to the old
TLS?

I_like the agenda-pricing concept. But it_feels like a poor-man’s compromise
for_a subscription._Why not permit downloads of_an executable any_time a_sub
is valid?

~~~
jarfil
Easy: what's_the feature you're selling? Is it_"TLS 1.0" or_"secure
connections"?

 
Immersive journalism uses VR to_insert_viewers directly into_the_story_- maxufberg
http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/journalisms-new-reality
======
aaron695
Ain't_going to happen_before_AI.

As a_'just_so' story think of the radio_play_'War of the Worlds' and how hard
that_is to do in_video,_then take that again_to VR.

VR/AR means rather than_one story your telling multiple at_once.

The human_hours is_just prohibitively expensive.

It currently pays off because of novelty, but that's_it.

What might work is raw footage_of something in progress_(Since the_situation
'pays'_for the 3D)_but_this is_rare to non existent in proper journalism.

Take_the shots_being fired in the Paris raid_filmed by a 'citizen_journalist'.
All_immersion would achieve is seeing into_the photographers apartment.

This drone footage would_work, but it's less a_story_about_Syria and more
about war porn
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ELAa02TUY](https://www.youtube.com/watch