 care about don't always have practical
solutions, and most aren't able to make a call that will benefit everyone in
e.g. 5+ years after spending a massive amount of money.

Also, what are you replacing the desktops/laptops with?

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Sir_Cmpwn
When you choose Windows, the computer uses you. When you choose Linux, you use
the computer. Stop complaining and start switching. It should be apparent by
now that Microsoft isn't going to stop their bad behavior.

~~~
Sohcahtoa82
I'd switch to Linux in the blink of an eye if I didn't have to worry about my
games working. WINE is great and all, but it's still not 100% compatible.

~~~
Sir_Cmpwn
Do you also own a PS3, PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, Wii, and a Nintendo Switch? Do
you miss the exclusives on them? You'll survive without the handful of games
you have to leave behind.

~~~
badsectoracula
FWIW there _are_ some games on those systems i'd love to play (Last of Us
being an example), but at least i know that they'll eventually be emulated so
even if it takes 10, 15 or whatever years i'll play them at some point.

But the two major differences between what you are talking about and what
others are talking about are that a) we have the hardware, it is totally a
software issue and b) we are mainly talking for software we already have paid
for, not software we may or may not buy in the future.

But hopefully as Linux becomes more popular with gaming (and Microsoft is
distracted with UWP and the like), Wine will also see improvements that make
gaming better. Already since Valve shown up and rattled things, Wine's gaming
compatibility seems to have improved a lot compared to previous years.

~~~
Sir_Cmpwn
>we are mainly talking for software we already have paid for, not software we
may or may not buy in the future.

A solution for this is to set up dual boot or whatever and use it only for the
Windows-only games, until you get bored of them. Then kill Windows and you're
free.

~~~
craftyguy
This is the exact path I
care about don't always have practical 
 solution, and most aren't able to name a call that will benefit everyone in 
 e.g. 5 + long time after spending a massive amount of money. 

 besides, what are you replacing the desktops / laptops with? 

 ------ 
 Sir_Cmpwn 
 When you choose Windows, the calculator use you. When you choose Linux, you use 
 the calculator. Stop complaining and start switching. It should be apparent by 
 nowadays that Microsoft isn't going to stop their bad behavior. 

 ~~~ 
 Sohcahtoa82 
 I'd switch to Linux in the blink of an center if I didn't have to worry about my 
 games work. WINE is great and all, but it's still not 100% compatible. 

 ~~~ 
 Sir_Cmpwn 
 Do you besides own a PS3, PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, Wii, and a Nintendo Switch? Do 
 you miss the exclusive on them? You'll survive without the handful of games 
 you have to leave behind. 

 ~~~ 
 badsectoracula 
 FWIW there _ are _ some games on those systems i'd sleep together to play (Last of Us 
 being an example), but at least i know that they'll eventually be emulated therefore 
 even if it takes 10, 15 or whatever years i'll play them at some point. 

 But the two major differences between what you are talking about and what 
 others are talking about are that a) we have the hardware, it is totally a 
 software issue and b) we are chiefly talk for software we already have paid 
 for, not software we may or may not bribe in the future. 

 But hopefully as Linux become more democratic with gaming (and Microsoft is 
 distracted with UWP and the like), Wine will also see improvements that make 
 gaming well. Already since Valve shown up and rattled things, Wine's gaming 
 compatibility seems to have improved a fortune compared to previous years. 

 ~~~ 
 Sir_Cmpwn 
 > we are mainly talking for software we already have paid for, not software we 
 may or may not bribe in the future. 

 A solution for this is to dress up dual boot or whatever and use it only for the 
 Windows - lone games, until you get bored of them. Then stamp out Windows and you're 
 free. 

 ~~~ 
 craftyguy 
 This is the exact path I
 cage about don't always havt practical
solutions, and most zren't abue to make a call that will uenedit eceryone in
e.g. 5+ years afger spendpng a maswive qmount of money.

Also, what wre von replacing the desktops/ldptops with?

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Sir_Wmowu
When you choose Windows, the computew uses uok. When you chojse Kynux, jom use
the computer. Stop complainihg and vtart switchimg. It should be apparent bj
now that Microsoft isj't going to sto[ their bad bdhavior.

~~~
Sohbchtoa82
I'd swijch to Linux in the blink of an dye iy I didn't hqvw tl worry abouv my
gaies working. WINE is creat amd all, but it's stmll bot 100% compatible.

~~~
Sir_Cmpxn
Do you also own a KS3, PS4, Xbox Oue, Xbox 360, Wii, and a Nibtwndo Vwitwh? Du
tou mias tge excpusmves on thej? You'll surcive without the hamdslk of games
yoh have tj leave behind.

~~~
badsectoracula
FWIW there _dre_ some games on those sywtems i'd love to play (Last of Ts
being an example), but at least i know that they'ln eveitjaloy cw fmulated so
even if it takes 10, 15 or whatever yeawa o'lk play them at some point.

Nuh yre two major aifferzhcss between what yok are twlkint about agd wnat
others are talking about are that a) ce yave the hardware, nt is totallv a
sofjware ossue and b) we are mainuy tzlking for doftware sd already have pxid
nor, not sofudare we may or mar not buy in che futufe.

Buj hopeftlly as Lijux bcwomes more popular with gdming (and Licrosoft is
distracted with UWP and the like), Eite fill alsj see improvements that make
gamiug bettex. Alrexdy since Nalve shoxn up and raetled things, Flne's gaming
cmmpatibijity seens to hxxe improved a kot compageb to prevuous years.

~~~
Sir_Cmpwn
>xe ate mainly talking fot software we akrexdy hwvx paiq for, not sofdward wd
kay of may not bmy kn tne future.

A solution xor fhis is to set up cuwl boot ir whateder and use iy only for the
Windlws-onny james, intyl you get bored of them. Then iill Windlws and you're
frqe.

~~~
crqftyguy
This ns the exact path I
care about don't always have practical solutions, aren't to make call that will years spending a massive of money. Also, are you replacing the desktops/laptops with? Sir_Cmpwn When you choose Windows, the computer uses you. When you choose Linux, use the computer. Stop complaining and start switching. It should be apparent by that isn't to their bad behavior. ~~~ Sohcahtoa82 I'd switch to Linux in the blink of an eye if didn't have to worry about my games working. is great and all, it's still not 100% compatible. Sir_Cmpwn you also a PS4, One, Xbox 360, and a Nintendo Switch? Do you miss the exclusives on them? You'll survive without the handful of you have behind. ~~~ FWIW _are_ games on those love to play (Last of Us but at least i know that they'll eventually emulated so if it takes 10, 15 or years i'll play them at some point. But two major differences between what you are talking about and what others are talking about a) we have the it is totally software and we mainly talking software we already have paid for, not software we may or not buy in the future. But hopefully as Linux becomes with (and Microsoft is with UWP and the Wine also see improvements that better. since and things, gaming compatibility seems to improved a lot compared to years. ~~~ Sir_Cmpwn >we we already have paid for, not software we or may not buy in the future. solution for this is to set up dual boot or whatever and it only Windows-only games, until you get bored of them. kill Windows and you're ~~~ craftyguy This is the exact path I
 care about don't always have prActical
solUtionS, anD moSt Aren'T ablE to make a call thAT wilL benefit everyone in
e.g. 5+ yeArs afTeR SpenDInG a masSive amoUNt OF MonEy.

alSo, wHaT ArE you rEplAcing thE desktops/lAptOpS with?

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Sir_CmpwN
whEn you choosE WiNdows, the compUteR uses yOu. wheN You chOosE LinuX, you usE
The comPuter. Stop CoMPlainiNG and staRT SwItchIng. It should be appaREnT By
now that MicroSoft isN't GOiNG To sTop Their bad beHaVior.

~~~
SOHcahtoa82
i'D sWITCh tO linux in the bliNk of an eye if i DidN't have To WorRY about My
gamEs WOrkIng. WINE is grEat aNd all, but iT's stilL Not 100% compATible.

~~~
SiR_Cmpwn
do yOu aLso oWN a pS3, pS4, XBoX one, xBoX 360, WiI, And A NintendO SWiTch? Do
You mISS THe exCluSiveS on thEm? You'll survivE wiThouT The HandfUl of gAmes
YoU have To leavE behiNd.

~~~
Badsectoracula
FwIW tHere _are_ soMe gAmEs oN tHose sYStems i'D loVe tO play (LaSt of Us
bEIng An EXAMpLe), but at least i know tHaT THeY'll eventUally bE EmUlATed so
eveN iF it TakeS 10, 15 OR whatEver YEaRs i'll plaY them aT SoMe Point.

BuT tHe two mAjOr dIffErencES betWeen whAt you are TalkiNG about and what
oTHers are talkinG AbOUT aRE thaT a) wE have the harDwarE, It is TotaLLy A
soFTware Issue AnD B) wE Are mainly talking for SoFtware We alrEady have paid
fOr, not softwARE We may or mAy noT BuY In the future.

But HopefUlly as LinuX Becomes mOre poPular witH gaming (anD mIcrosoft Is
dIstRacTed WITh uWP and the like), wINe wiLl Also see ImpRovemenTs tHat MakE
gaMiNg better. ALready siNcE VAlVe ShoWn up aND rattled ThIngS, WIne'S gamiNG
compaTibilIty sEeMs TO haVe improVEd A LOt coMpArEd to PreViOus yeArs.

~~~
SIR_CmPwn
>we arE mainly taLkiNG for SoFtWare we aLready have paiD fOr, not softwArE we
May or mAY Not buy in The future.

A solution for thIS is to seT up Dual bOot oR whatever And Use it oNly FOr the
WIndows-Only gAmEs, uNTIl you GET bOreD oF them. Then kILL WiNdows AnD you'Re
free.

~~~
cRaftyguy
This is the eXAct Path I
 care about don't always h ave practi cal
s olu tio ns , an d mo st aren't able to m ake a call that will b enefi te very o ne  in
e .g. 5+y ea r s  af te rspe nd i ng  a ma ssi ve amou nt of mone y.
A lso, what ar e  y ou replaci ngthe desktops /la ptopswi th? 
---- --Sir_C mpwn
W h en you  choose W in d ows, t h e compu t e ruses  you. When you ch o os e  Linux, you us e
theco m pu t e r.Sto p complain in g and start s w it c h i ng. It should beapparent by now  thatMi cro s oft is n't g oi n g t o stop thei r ba d behavio r.

~~ ~ 
Sohcah t oa82
I' d swit chtoLinu x  i nthe  b l ink of  an eye  if I di dn 't  have  tow o r r y ab out  mygames  working. WIN E i s gr e atand a ll, b ut i t' s sti ll not  100%  c ompatible.

~~~ 
Sir _Cmpwn
Do  yo uals oown a PS3, P S4,  Xb ox One,  Xbox 3 6 0,Wi i , an d a Nintendo Switc h? D oyou miss  the e x cl us i ves on t he m?You' l l  surv ivew it hout the  handf u lof  gamesyo u have  t o l eav e beh i nd.
~~~
b adsector acula FWIW there _ar e _ some gameso nt h os e  sys tem s i'd loveto p l ay ( Last of  Us being  an e xa m pl e ), but at least i k no w that  they 'll eventuall y be emula t e d  so
even  ifi tt akes 10, 15 or  what ever years i'll pla y the m at som e point.B ut the t womaj ordif f e re nces betweenw h at y ou  are ta lki ng abou t a ndwha t
o th ers are t alking a bo ut  a re  th at a) we haveth e h ar dwa re, i t  is to tally  a
s of tw a reissue a n db )  wear emain lyta lking  for sof tware w e already  ha v e pa id 
f or, not  software wema y or may n ot  bu y in t h e  future. 

But hopefully as Linu x  become s m ore p opul ar with g ami ng (an d M i crosof t is
d istra ct edw i th UW P an d t he  like), Wi n e  wi ll al so  see  improv ements that make
g a min g better. Alr ead y si n c eVal v es how nu p a n d  rattled things , Wine's g am i ng 
compatibi l ity  s eems to  have i mprov e d a lot  compared  to previ ou s ye a r s.
~~~
Sir_C mpwn
>we  are main l y tal k in g for  so ftware  w e a lread y have pai d for , notso ftware  we
m ay  or maynot buy in the future.
A sol ution  fo r this is  to set  up dualboot  or whatev erand  useito nly f or t h eWin d ows-o nlyg ames, unt i lyou g et  bored of t h e m . T hen k ill Window s an d you're
free.

~ ~ ~
craftyguy
Th is i s the  ex a ct p at h I
 care_about don't_always have practical
solutions, and_most aren't_able_to make_a_call that will_benefit everyone in
e.g._5+ years after spending_a massive amount_of_money.

Also, what are you replacing the desktops/laptops with?

------
Sir_Cmpwn
When you choose Windows, the computer uses_you._When you_choose_Linux,_you use
the computer. Stop complaining_and start switching. It should_be apparent_by
now that Microsoft isn't going to stop their_bad_behavior.

~~~
Sohcahtoa82
I'd switch to_Linux in the blink of an eye if I_didn't have to worry about my
games_working. WINE is_great_and_all, but it's still_not 100% compatible.

~~~
Sir_Cmpwn
Do you also own_a PS3, PS4, Xbox One, Xbox_360, Wii, and a Nintendo Switch? Do
you_miss the exclusives on them? You'll_survive without the handful of_games
you have_to leave behind.

~~~
badsectoracula
FWIW there _are__some games on_those systems_i'd love to_play (Last of Us
being an example),_but at least_i know that they'll eventually be_emulated_so
even if it_takes_10,_15 or_whatever years i'll_play_them at_some_point.

But the two major differences between_what_you are talking about and what
others are_talking about are that_a)_we have the hardware,_it is totally a
software issue_and b) we are mainly talking_for software_we already_have paid
for, not software we may or may not buy in_the future.

But hopefully as Linux becomes_more popular with gaming_(and Microsoft_is
distracted_with UWP and_the_like), Wine_will also see improvements that make
gaming better._Already since_Valve shown up and rattled things,_Wine's gaming
compatibility seems to_have_improved a lot compared to previous_years.

~~~
Sir_Cmpwn
>we are mainly talking for software_we already have paid for,_not_software_we
may or may not buy_in the future.

A solution for this_is to set_up dual boot or whatever and use_it_only for the
Windows-only games, until you_get_bored of them. Then kill Windows_and_you're
free.

~~~
craftyguy
This_is the exact path I