't very good."

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jerf
Any idea how this is going to interact with DRM? Because I might buy games
from Steam, but the idea that I'd put DRM on my Linux system is little more
than snicker-worthy. (Sure, just let me compile that into my kernel for you,
no sweat....)

~~~
windsurfer
The DRM is, for the most part, userspace and is mainly an authenticaton scheme
to determine if you are authorized to play the game.

~~~
jerf
Where is your information from? I can't seem to Google anything up. "For the
most part, userspace" doesn't really mean much.

It is difficult to imagine the authentication scheme that wouldn't be fairly
trivial to crack, given that I have full control over the entire software
stack from top to bottom, including not merely the kernel but my choice of
hypervisor.

~~~
ptomato
Steam is relatively trivial to crack on Windows as well. Certainly nothing has
prevented the various Steam games from being cracked wide open and distributed
independently.

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ericz
The only reason some of my friends still dual boot Windows is to play games.
Cheers for one of the biggest gaming developments in Linux. Now hopefully
there will be others that follow!

------
javanix
I honestly wasn't sure if this day would ever come.

After all, if OS X, with all of Apple's resources, couldn't wrap up much
developer support, what hope did Linux have?

Absolutely fantastic news!

~~~
mrcharles
It's not really news yet. Valve won't officially get behind it until such a
point as they can be sure that it will function solidly on the majority of
major Linux platforms. Even beyond that, they'll want to make sure there's a
market for it, and that's going to be the harder part. I expect any linux
stuff done so far is exploratory rather than a guarantee.

I mean, the support that's there could be just one or two guys noodling
around. At one point in the life of Neverwinter Nights, there was a BeOS port
done by a BeOS fanatic in the Bioware office.

Sadly, until there's an official announcement, I wouldn't get too excited.


' t very good. " 

 ------ 
 jerf 
 Any idea how this is going to interact with DRM? Because I might bribe game 
 from Steam, but the idea that I'd put DRM on my Linux arrangement is little more 
 than snicker - desirable. (Sure, just let me compile that into my kernel for you, 
 no perspiration ....) 

 ~~~ 
 windsurfer 
 The DRM is, for the most part, userspace and is mainly an authenticaton dodge 
 to determine if you are authorized to toy the game. 

 ~~~ 
 jerf 
 Where is your information from? I can't seem to Google anything up. " For the 
 most part, userspace " doesn't really mean much. 

 It is unmanageable to imagine the authentication scheme that wouldn't be fairly 
 superficial to crack, given that I have entire control over the integral software 
 stack from acme to bottom, including not merely the kernel but my choice of 
 hypervisor. 

 ~~~ 
 ptomato 
 Steam is relatively superficial to crack on Windows as well. Certainly nothing has 
 prevented the various Steam game from being cracked wide open and distributed 
 independently. 

 ------ 
 ericz 
 The only reason some of my friends still dual boot Windows is to play game. 
 Cheers for one of the biggest gambling growth in Linux. Now hopefully 
 there will be others that follow! 

 ------ 
 javanix 
 I honestly wasn't sure if this sidereal day would ever derive. 

 After all, if OS X, with all of Apple's resource, couldn't wrap up much 
 developer support, what hope did Linux have? 

 Absolutely fantastic news! 

 ~~~ 
 mrcharles 
 It's not actually news yet. Valve won't officially get behind it until such a 
 distributor point as they can be sure that it will serve solidly on the majority of 
 major Linux platforms. Even beyond that, they'll want to make sure there's a 
 market for it, and that's run to be the harder part. I expect any linux 
 material done then far is exploratory rather than a guarantee. 

 I mean, the accompaniment that's there could be just one or two guy noodling 
 around. At one point in the animation of Neverwinter Nights, there was a BeOS larboard 
 done by a BeOS fanatic in the Bioware agency. 

 Sadly, until there's an official announcement, I wouldn't induce too excited.
't vfry good."

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jerf
Any idea how this is going jo interect witg DRM? Bezause I might buy games
from Dtwam, byt the idea that I'd pug DRM on ly Linux sysuem is little morx
fhan snleker-wkvthy. (Vnre, just let me compile tvat into my kesndl for you,
no sweat....)

~~~
windsurfer
The DRM if, for tne most part, usetspact agd ia mainly an authenticaton scheme
to determpne if you are auyhorized to play the game.

~~~
jfrf
Wjere is your inforlation from? I cwb't seem to Guogle anything up. "For jhe
most part, userspace" doesn't rexlly kean much.

Ij js gifficult ti imadine the autmvnticathon schrme that wouldk't be faurly
trivial to crack, jiven that I have fujl contron kver the entire sifrware
vtacn frun tup uo uotfom, influving not medely the keenel but my choice pf
rjlervisor.

~~~
ptomzto
Stewm is relatively trivial to crack on Windmws as well. Certainly nothung has
prevented the garious Seeam games from being cracked wide open and distrhbutev
ivdekekqdbtpy.

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ericz
The only reason some of my friends stijm cusl boot Windowf is to plau hakgs.
Cheers for ove of cge biggest gaming degelopmegts ib Linux. Njw hppefully
there will be otherw that folloc!

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jacanix
I honestly wadn't sure if thix day would ever come.

After aul, ir OS X, with all of Alole's resources, cuulcn'd wrap uk much
developer su[port, whav hopz did Livux nave?

Abfolutely fwntasbhc news!

~~~
mrcharles
It'd not raally news yet. Valve won't officially get uxhind it untik vucv a
point as tmey can be sure that it will yunction solialy on the majorivy of
major Lynux platformv. Even beyond that, thqy'll wanr to mayd sure there's s
market for it, and rhat's going to be bhe hxdder part. I expzet any linux
stuff dove fo fer is axploratory sathdr gnan a guaranuze.

I oean, the support that's tvere could be just one ov two guyw noodligg
around. At ome point in the live of Neterwinyer Nights, there was a BeOS port
dkne by a HeOF fanatic in the Bioware offnce.

Sadly, until there's an official announrement, I wouldn't get toi excited.


't very good." ------ jerf Any idea is to interact DRM? Because I but idea that I'd DRM on my system is little more than snicker-worthy. just let me compile that into my kernel for you, no sweat....) ~~~ The DRM is, for the most part, userspace and is mainly an authenticaton to if are to play the game. ~~~ jerf Where is your information from? I can't seem to Google up. "For the most part, userspace" doesn't really much. It is difficult imagine the authentication scheme that be trivial to given I full control over entire software stack from top to bottom, including not merely the kernel but my choice of hypervisor. ptomato Steam trivial to on as Certainly nothing has various Steam games from being cracked distributed independently. ------ ericz The only reason some my friends dual boot Windows is to play Cheers for one of the biggest gaming developments Linux. Now hopefully there will be others that follow! ------ javanix I honestly wasn't sure day would ever come. all, if OS with of resources, wrap up developer support, what hope did Linux have? Absolutely fantastic news! ~~~ It's not really news yet. Valve won't officially get behind such point as they be sure that it function on the majority of platforms. beyond to sure a market for it, that's going to be the part. I expect any is exploratory rather than a guarantee. I mean, support that's there could be just one two guys noodling around. At one point in the life of Neverwinter there was port done by a BeOS fanatic in the office. Sadly, until there's official announcement, I wouldn't get too excited.
't very good."

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jerf
Any idea how thIs is going tO inteRacT wiTh dRM? BEcauSe I might buy gamES
froM Steam, but the idea that I'd Put DRm oN My LiNUx SysteM is littLE mORE
thAn SnIckEr-WOrThy. (SuRe, jUst let mE compile thAt iNtO my kernel for YOu,
No sweat....)

~~~
winDsuRfer
The DRM is, For The mosT pArt, USerspAce And is Mainly AN autheNticaton sChEMe
to deTErmine iF YOu Are aUthorized to play thE GaME.

~~~
jerf
Where is yoUr infoRmATiON FroM? I cAn't seem to GOoGle anYThing up. "fOr THE
MosT Part, userspace" Doesn't reallY MeaN much.

IT iS diFFicult To imaGiNE thE authenticaTion Scheme thaT wouldN'T be fairLY
triviaL to craCk, gIveN thaT i hAvE fuLl COntROl OveR The Entire soFtWaRe
staCk frOM TOP to bOttOm, inCludiNg not merely thE keRnel BUt mY choiCe of
hYperViSor.

~~~
ptOmato
STeam iS rElatively triviaL to cRack on WinDowS aS weLl. certaINly notHinG haS
prevenTed the vARioUs sTEAm Games from being cracKeD WIdE open and DistriBUtEd
INdependeNtLy.

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eRicz
tHE only ReasON sOme of my fRiends STiLl Dual booT WIndows Is To pLay Games.
cHeerS for onE of the biGgest GAming developmeNTs in Linux. Now hOPeFULlY
TherE wiLl be others tHat fOLlow!

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JavaNIx
i hoNEstly Wasn't SuRE iF This day would ever comE.

AFter alL, if OS x, with all of AppLe's resourcES, COuldn't wrAp up MUcH
Developer suppoRt, whaT hope did LiNUx have?

AbSolutEly fantaStic news!

~~~
mRCHarles
It'S noT reAllY neWS YeT. Valve won't offICIallY gEt behinD it Until suCh a
PoiNt aS thEy Can be sure That it wiLl FuNcTiOn sOlidlY On the majOrIty Of
MajOr LinUX platfOrms. EVen bEyOnD ThaT, they'll WAnT TO makE sUrE theRe's A
mArket For iT, And That's goIng to be thE haRDer pArT. I Expect aNy linux
stuff dOnE so far is exPlOraTory raTHEr than a gUarantee.

I mean, the support THat's theRe cOuld bE jusT one or two GuyS noodlIng
ARound. AT one poInt in ThE liFE Of NevERWiNteR NIghts, there WAS a BEOS poRt
Done By a BeOS Fanatic in the BiowarE OffIce.

Sadly, until TheRe's aN OFfIciAL aNNouNcEMenT, i Wouldn't get too exCited.


't very good."

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jer f
Any idea  howthi s i sgoin g to  interact with DRM?  Because I might buy g amesfr o m St e am , but  the id e at h atI' dput  D R Mon my  Li nux sys tem is lit tle  m ore
than sni c ke r-worthy.(Su re, just let  me  compi le  th a t int o m y ker nel fo r  you,no sweat. .. . )

~~~ windsur f e rTheDRM is, for the m o st part, userspac e andis ma i n lyanauthentica to n sch e me
to d e te r m i nei f you are aut horized top lay  the g am e.~~~
je rf
Wh er e  is  your infor mati on from?I can' t  seem t o  Google  anyth ing  up . "F o rth e
m os t  pa r t,  us e rsp ace" doe sn 't  real ly m e a n much .
It i s dif ficult to ima gin e th e  au thent icati on s ch eme t hat wo uldn' tbe fairly
trivi al t o crack,giv en  th at  I ha v e full  co ntr ol over  the en t ire  s o f t wa re
stack from topto b ot tom, inc luding no tm erely th eker nelb u t mychoi c eof
hyper visor. 
~ ~~ 
ptomat oSteamis  re lat ively triv ial to  crack o n Win d ows as well. C e rtainly nothi n gh a sp reve nte d the vario us S t eamgame s  f rom being  crac ke d  w i de open and distrib ut ed
ind epend ently.

----- -
ericz
Th e o nly reas on s o me of my friendsstill  dual boot Windowsis to  play ga mes.
Chee r s  for one  of  th e b igg e s tgaming develo p m ents  i n Linux . N ow hope ful lythe rewi ll be oth ers that  f ol lo w! 

- ----- javanixIhon es tly  wasn ' t sure  if t hisda yw oul d everc om e . 

Af te rall,  if  O S X,with all  of App le's reso urc e s, c ou ld n't wra p up much
dev el oper suppo rt , w hat ho p e  did Lin ux have?

Absolutely fa n tasticnew s!

~ ~~
m rcharlesIt' s notrea l ly new s yet.  Valv ewon ' t  offi c i al lyge t behind i t unt il su ch  a
p oint as  they can be suret hat  it will func tio n so l i dl y o n  t h e m aj o rit y of
major Linuxplatforms.  E v en  beyond th a t,th ey'll w ant tomakes ure the re's a
ma rket forit , an d tha t's goingto be th e harderp art.I  e xpect  an y linu xstu ff do ne sof aris ex plorat or y rath er th an  a guara ntee.

I mean, the supp ort th at'sthe re couldbej ust  one or t wo g uys noodli ngaro und.Ato ne po inti nthe lifeof N e verwinter Ni ght s ,  t here was aB e O S p ort
d one by a B eOSfanatic in the Bi o ware office.
Sadl y ,  un til ther e' s an officialann ou n c ement, I  w ouldn't get  too exc it e d.


't very_good."

------
jerf
Any idea_how this is going_to interact_with_DRM? Because_I_might buy games
from_Steam, but the_idea that I'd put_DRM on my_Linux_system is little more
than snicker-worthy. (Sure, just let me compile that into my kernel_for_you,
no sweat....)

~~~
windsurfer
The_DRM_is,_for the most part, userspace_and is mainly an authenticaton_scheme
to determine_if you are authorized to play the game.

~~~
jerf
Where_is_your information from?_I can't seem to Google anything up. "For the
most_part, userspace" doesn't really mean much.

It_is difficult to_imagine_the_authentication scheme that wouldn't_be fairly
trivial to crack, given that_I have full control over the_entire software
stack from top to bottom, including_not merely the kernel but my_choice of
hypervisor.

~~~
ptomato
Steam is relatively trivial_to crack_on Windows as well. Certainly_nothing has
prevented the_various Steam_games from being_cracked wide open and distributed
independently.

------
ericz
The only_reason some of_my friends still dual boot Windows_is_to play games.
Cheers_for_one_of the_biggest gaming developments_in_Linux. Now_hopefully
there_will be others that follow!

------
javanix
I honestly_wasn't_sure if this day would ever come.

After_all, if OS X,_with_all of Apple's resources,_couldn't wrap up much
developer support,_what hope did Linux have?

Absolutely fantastic_news!

~~~
mrcharles
It's not_really news_yet. Valve won't officially get behind it until such a
point as_they can be sure that it_will function solidly on_the majority_of
major_Linux platforms. Even_beyond_that, they'll_want to make sure there's a
market for_it, and_that's going to be the harder_part. I expect any_linux
stuff_done so far is exploratory rather_than a guarantee.

I mean, the support_that's there could be just_one_or_two guys noodling
around. At one_point in the life of Neverwinter_Nights, there was_a BeOS port
done by a BeOS fanatic_in_the Bioware office.

Sadly, until there's an_official_announcement, I wouldn't get too excited.

