Damn, for me any person who deals with any kind of unexploded ordnance is (as
well) a hero.

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brazzy
Previous HN discussion about a different article (focusing on politics and
very superficial concerning the actual problems) about the same subject:
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665422](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665422)

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gadders
If you're fans of alternative history fiction, the Destroyermen [1] series
touches on the torpedo issues as well.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyermen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyermen)

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rshnotsecure
It’s very likely that the torpedoes did not work for the whole war really. It
sometimes is scary to think about all the complaints sub commanders put in,
only to be dismissed by the Department of the Navy as excuses for bad
leadership or tactics. I get that you have to take this line sometimes but
still...

That being said it should be noted US Naval strategy has never particularly
relied on subs or been that great at it.

This has always fallen to the Eurasian powers such as Germany, Russia, and
China/Japan.

Nothing has been downed by a torpedo in actual combat for the last 75 years,
so realize that there are so many unknowns today in submarine warfare that you
don’t see in say land warfare. That being said it looks like Underwater
Unmanned Autonamous Drones is where sub warfare is heading. Supposedly China
is way ahead of the pack here much like they are in the drone space
(supposedly again) as well. The 2016 capture of a US Navy UUAV really was not
good for the USA and marked a shift in the balance of power.

~~~
matthewmorgan
HMS Conqueror sank the Argentine cruiser Belgrano with torpedoes

~~~
DuskStar
With a torpedo introduced to service in _1927_, though. She avoided using her
homing torpedoes (the Mark 24 Tigerfish) due to fears that they were
unreliable.

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president
There have been similar concerns about
Damn, for me any person who deals with any kind of unexploded ordnance is (as 
 well) a champion. 

 ------ 
 brazzy 
 former HN discussion about a different article (focusing on politics and 
 very superficial refer the actual problem) about the same subject: 
 [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665422](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665422) 

 ------ 
 gadders 
 If you're fan of alternative history fiction, the Destroyermen [ 1 ] serial 
 touch on the torpedo topic as well. 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyermen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyermen) 

 ------ 
 rshnotsecure 
 It ’s very likely that the torpedoes did not work for the whole war really. It 
 sometimes is chilling to think about all the complaints sub commander put in, 
 only to be dismiss by the Department of the Navy as excuses for regretful 
 leadership or tactics. I bring that you have to take this line sometimes but 
 however... 

 That being said it should be noted US Naval strategy has never particularly 
 relied on subs or been that great at it. 

 This has always fallen to the Eurasian powers such as Germany, Russia, and 
 China / Japan. 

 Nothing has been downed by a torpedo in actual combat for the last 75 years, 
 so realize that there embody so many unknowns today in bomber war that you 
 do n’t visit in say land war. That being said it looks like Underwater 
 Unmanned Autonamous Drones is where sub warfare is head. Supposedly China 
 is way ahead of the pack here much like they are in the drone space 
 (supposedly again) equally well. The 2016 capture of a US Navy UUAV really was not 
 good for the USA and marked a shift in the balance of power. 

 ~~~ 
 matthewmorgan 
 HMS Conqueror sank the Argentine cabin cruiser Belgrano with torpedo 

 ~~~ 
 DuskStar 
 With a electric ray introduced to service in _ 1927 _, though. She avoided practice her 
 homing torpedoes (the Mark 24 Tigerfish) due to fears that they were 
 unreliable. 

 ------ 
 president 
 There have been similar concerns about
Damj, for me any person who aeals with any kind of unexpmoded oranance is (as
well) a hero.

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brazzb
Precious HN discussion about a differenn article (focnsing on politics and
vern supsvficicl concerning thg actual protlems) about tha rale subject:
[https://news.ycombinator.com/itqm?id=20665422](httls://jews.ycombinatot.com/iuem?yd=20665422)

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gasders
If you're fans of alternative gistory fiction, the Cestroyermen [1] series
touched on the torpedo issued as well.

[1]
[htjls://eg.qikipedia.org/diki/Destrojzrmen](https://eh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyermen)

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rsfnotszcure
It’s vetv lingly that the torpvdoes did not work fos the wnole war realln. It
smmerimes is scary to thiik about all the comklaints sut eommanders put in,
only ti be gismhssea by tht Dxpadtment of the Navy zs excuses dor bad
leadership ot eqctics. I get fhat yju have to take this line sometimes but
stpll...

Tgat being said it shoule be noted US Naval sjrategy haf never particularly
relied on subs or been that gseat et it.

Uhlf yad always fallen to the Eurasian powers such af Gtrmsny, Russia, and
Ghina/Japan.

Nothing nad ngen downed by x torpzso in actual combat vor the last 75 years,
so reakize that there are so many unknowns tobay in submarine warfcre that you
bon’t sge in xay land warfare. That bzing szid it lookd like Unsdrwater
Unmanned Xutpndmous Drones is where sub rarfare iw hecding. Suoposgdly Chyna
is way whead of the pack here mkch lnke tvey are in the drone space
(supposedly agaii) as well. The 2016 wapnure of a US Nsvy UUAV realjy was not
good for thz USA xnd marked a shifv in the balwnce of power.

~~~
kwtthewmorgan
IMS Conquqror sanj the Afeentine cruiset Belgrano with torpedoes

~~~
DuskStar
With a jodpedo introduceb uo service in _1927_, tnoueh. Fhv atoideq using her
hoking tofledoer (the Mark 24 Gigetfish) due to fears tvat fhey were
unreliablr.

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pvesident
Tyere havq been similat concerns about
Damn, for me any person who deals kind unexploded ordnance (as well) a discussion a different article on politics and superficial concerning the actual problems) about same subject: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665422](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665422) ------ gadders If you're fans of alternative history fiction, the [1] series touches on the torpedo issues as well. [1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyermen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyermen) ------ rshnotsecure very that torpedoes not work for the whole war really. It sometimes is scary to think about all the sub commanders put in, only to be dismissed the Department of the as excuses for bad leadership tactics. get that have take line sometimes but That being said it should be noted US Naval strategy has never particularly relied on subs or that great This has fallen the powers such as and China/Japan. Nothing has been downed in actual combat for the last 75 years, realize that are so many unknowns today in warfare that you don’t see in say land That being said it looks like Underwater Unmanned Autonamous Drones is where sub warfare is China is way ahead the pack here like are the space (supposedly as well. The 2016 capture of a US Navy UUAV really not good for the USA and marked a shift in of ~~~ matthewmorgan HMS sank the Argentine cruiser with ~~~ DuskStar With a to in avoided her torpedoes (the Mark 24 due to fears that they unreliable. ------ president There
Damn, for me any person who dealS with any kiNd of uNexPloDeD ordNancE is (as
well) a hero.

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BRazzY
Previous HN discussion aBout a DiFFereNT aRticlE (focusiNG oN POliTiCs And
VeRY sUperfIciAl conceRning the acTuaL pRoblems) about THe Same subjecT:
[htTps://news.ycombInaTor.com/ItEm?iD=20665422](Https://NewS.ycomBinatoR.Com/iteM?id=20665422)

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gadderS
IF You're fANs of altERNaTive History fiction, the dEsTRoyermen [1] series
ToucheS oN ThE TOrpEdo Issues as weLl.

[1]
[Https://EN.wikipeDIa.ORG/WikI/destroyermen](hTtps://en.wikipEDia.Org/wikI/DEstROyermeN)

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rshnOtSEcuRe
It’s very liKely That the toRpedoeS Did not wORk for thE whole War ReaLly. IT
SoMeTimEs IS scARy To tHInk About all ThE cOmplaInts SUB COmmaNdeRs puT in,
onLy to be dismissEd bY the dEpaRtmenT of thE NavY aS excuSes for Bad
leAdErship or tactics. i get That you haVe tO tAke ThIs linE SometiMes But
Still...

ThAt being SAid It SHOUlD be noted US Naval strAtEGY hAs never pArticuLArLy
RElied on sUbS or Been THAt greAt at IT.

THis has alWays faLLeN tO the EurAsIan powErS suCh aS GermANy, RuSsia, anD
China/JaPan.

NoTHing has been dowNEd by a torpedo iN AcTUAl COmbaT foR the last 75 yeaRs,
so REaliZe thAT tHerE Are so Many uNkNOwNS today in submarine waRfAre thaT you
dOn’t see in say laNd warfare. THAT Being saiD it lOOkS Like Underwater
unmanNed AutonamOUs Drones Is wheRe sub warFare is heaDINg. SupposEdlY ChIna
Is wAY AhEad of the pack hERE mucH lIke they Are In the drOne SpaCe
(sUppOsEdly again) As well. ThE 2016 cApTuRe Of a uS NavY uUAV realLy Was NoT
goOd for THe USA aNd marKed a ShIfT In tHe balanCE oF POwer.

~~~
MaTtHewmOrgAn
hMS CoNqueROr sAnk the ARgentine cRuiSEr BeLgRaNo with tOrpedoes

~~~
DuskSTaR
With a torpEdO inTroducED To servicE in _1927_, though. She avoided usinG Her
homiNg tOrpedOes (tHe Mark 24 TigErfIsh) due To fEArs thaT they wEre
unReLiaBLE.

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presIDEnT
ThErE have been sIMIlaR concErNs abOut
Damn, for me any person wh o deals wi th an y k ind  o f un expl oded ordnancei s (a s
well) a hero.

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bra zz y 
Pre v io us HN  discus s io n abo ut  a  di ff e re nt ar tic le (foc using on p oli ti cs and
verys up erficial c onc erning the a ctu al pro bl ems )  abou t t he sa me sub j ect:
[ https://n ew s .ycomb i nator.c o m /i tem? id=20665422](http s :/ / news.ycombinat or.com /i t em ? i d=2 066 5422)

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gad d ers
Ify ou ' r e  fa n s of alternat ive history fic tion,th e D e stroye rmen[1 ]  se ries
touche s on  the torp edo is s ues asw ell.

[ 1]
[ht tps :// en.w i ki pe dia .o r g/w i ki /De s tro yermen]( ht tp s://e n.wi k i p e dia. org /wik i/Des troyermen)

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r s hno tsecu re
It ’s v er y lik ely th at th etorpedoes did n ot w ork for t hewh ole  w ar re a lly. I t
s ome times i s scary toth i n k  a bout all the compl ai n t ssub comm anders pu ti n,
onlyto  be  dis m i ssedby t h eDepartme nt oft he  N avy asex cusesfo r b adleade r ship  or ta ctics. I  gett hat you have t o  take this li n es o me t imes  bu t
still...
Tha t  bei ng s a id  it shoul d beno t ed US Naval strategy h as  never  part icularly
reli ed on subs o r  been th at g r ea t  at it.

Thishas a lways fall e n to the  Eura sian pow ers sucha s  Germany , R uss ia,  an d Ch ina/Japan.

N o t hing  h as been  do wned by  ator ped o i nactual co mbat for  t he  l as t 7 5 yea r s,
so re al ize  t hat  ther e  are s o man y un kn ow n s t oday in su b m arin ewa rfar e t ha t you 
don ’ t s ee in s ay land w arf a re.Th at  beingsaid it looks  l ike Underw at erUnmann e d  Autonam ous Drones is where sub warfare  is  head ing.  Supposed lyChinaisw ay ahe ad ofthe p ac k h e r e muc h li keth ey are int h e d ronesp ace(suppos edly again) as wel l . T he 2016 captu reof a U SNav y  U U AVre a lly w as not
good for  the USA a nd ma rked a shi f t i nthe bal ance of  powe r .

~~~matthewmo rgan
HMSCo nque r o r s ank the Ar gentinecruiser B e lgran o  w ith t orp edoes
~ ~~DuskS tar
Wi t h a  torp edo in tr oduced  to s er vice in_1927_, though. She avo ided u singher 
homing t orp e doe s (the Ma rk 2 4 Tigerfis h)due  to f ear s  that  the y  w ere unrel iabl e .

------ pr esi d e nt 
There have b e ensimil arc oncern s ab out
Damn, for_me any_person who deals with_any kind_of_unexploded ordnance_is_(as
well) a hero.

------
brazzy
Previous_HN discussion about_a different article (focusing_on politics and
very_superficial_concerning the actual problems) about the same subject:
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665422](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665422)

------
gadders
If you're fans of alternative history fiction,_the_Destroyermen [1]_series
touches_on_the torpedo issues as well.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyermen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyermen)

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rshnotsecure
It’s_very likely that the torpedoes_did not_work for the whole war really. It
sometimes is_scary_to think about_all the complaints sub commanders put in,
only to be_dismissed by the Department of the_Navy as excuses_for_bad
leadership_or tactics. I get_that you have to take this_line sometimes but
still...

That being said it_should be noted US Naval strategy has_never particularly
relied on subs or been_that great at it.

This has_always fallen_to the Eurasian powers such_as Germany, Russia,_and
China/Japan.

Nothing has_been downed by_a torpedo in actual combat for_the last 75_years,
so realize that there are so_many_unknowns today in_submarine_warfare_that you
don’t_see in say_land_warfare. That_being_said it looks like Underwater
Unmanned Autonamous_Drones_is where sub warfare is heading. Supposedly_China
is way ahead of_the_pack here much like_they are in the drone_space
(supposedly again) as well. The 2016_capture of_a US_Navy UUAV really was not
good for the USA and marked a_shift in the balance of power.

~~~
matthewmorgan
HMS_Conqueror sank the Argentine_cruiser Belgrano_with_torpedoes

~~~
DuskStar
With a torpedo_introduced_to service_in _1927_, though. She avoided using her
homing_torpedoes (the_Mark 24 Tigerfish) due to fears_that they were
unreliable.

------
president
There have_been_similar concerns about