 industry practice" for most mobile
providers...

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ouchiboy
Ouch. They wouldn't like the 3.9 TB of my last 16 month...

~~~
tzs
That's almost 250 GB a month. How do you use that much on a mobile device?
That's more than most people use on their regular Internet connection.

~~~
ouchiboy
Tethering. _cough_. You can do that with many non-thethering plans on some
jailbroken devices to save money or get around no-tethering allowed companies.
I'm not going to lie and say that more than 10% of that traffic accounts to
youtube videos and torrented linux distributions...

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mrhyperpenguin
Can anyone think of any rational behind this? Why would they want to switch
people to tiered data plans when there is no effective difference to them?

~~~
ineedtosleep
Why?

> …You may also consider switching to a tiered data plan if speed is more
> important to you [...] Customers on tiered plans can pay for more data if
> they need it, and will not see reduced speeds. (from the blog post)

That's why. AT&T has shown that nearly every move they make is for the sole
purpose of squeezing out all the money they can from their users.

~~~
tomjen3
They are a company and as such is in the business of making money. Of course
they want to squeeze every last bit out.

In this case the problem is that they offered an unlimited plan and then did
stick with their offer.

~~~
montecarl
The problem is that they can get away with it. That is the cell phone market
has very little competition.

~~~
jcnnghm
There really needs to be a movement to address the collusion in the
telecommunication industry. I priced out a business cell plan (with > 5
lines), and there was not even a single penny price difference between ATT and
Verizon, and both refused to negotiate at all. No matter what options changed,
the prices matched to the cent. Strong regulation needs to be introduced, the
major players need to be broken up again, or their infrastructure needs to be
nationalized. Working, efficient, non-crippled and inexpensive communications
infrastructure is too
industry practice " for most mobile 
 providers... 

 ------ 
 ouchiboy 
 Ouch. They wouldn't wish the 3.9 TB of my final 16 month... 

 ~~~ 
 tzs 
 That's almost 250 GB a calendar month. How do you use that much on a fluid device? 
 That's more than most people use on their even Internet connection. 

 ~~~ 
 ouchiboy 
 Tethering. _ cough _. You can do that with many non - thethering plan on some 
 jailbroken devices to save money or catch around no - tethering allowed company. 
 I'm not going to lie and say that more than 10% of that traffic accounts to 
 youtube videos and torrented linux distribution... 

 ------ 
 mrhyperpenguin 
 Can anyone think of any rational behind this? Why would they want to interchange 
 people to tiered data plans when there is no effective deviation to them? 

 ~~~ 
 ineedtosleep 
 Why? 

 > … You may also consider switching to a tiered data plan if focal ratio is more 
 > important to you [... ] Customers on tiered plans can pay for more data if 
 > they need it, and will not see reduced speeds. (from the blog post) 

 That's why. AT&T has shown that nearly every move they make is for the sole 
 purpose of compress out all the money they can from their users. 

 ~~~ 
 tomjen3 
 They are a company and as such is in the clientele of making money. Of course 
 they want to squeeze every final bit out. 

 In this case the problem is that they offer an unlimited plan and then did 
 stick with their offer. 

 ~~~ 
 montecarl 
 The problem is that they can get off with it. That is the cell phone market 
 has very short competition. 

 ~~~ 
 jcnnghm 
 There truly needs to be a movement to address the collusion in the 
 telecommunication industry. I price out a business cell plan (with > 5 
 line), and there was not even a single penny price difference between ATT and 
 Verizon, and both deny to negotiate at wholly. No matter what options changed, 
 the prices matched to the cent. potent regulation necessitate to be introduced, the 
 major actor need to be broken up again, or their infrastructure need to be 
 nationalize. Working, efficient, non - crippled and inexpensive communications 
 infrastructure is too
 infustry practice" for most mobile
providers...

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ouchibmy
Ouch. They wojldn't like the 3.9 TB of my lasv 16 minth...

~~~
tef
That's almost 250 GB x month. Hlw do yoy ust that much on a mobile dcrice?
Tgwt's kire than most keople use ot their regulas Kncernet connection.

~~~
ouchiboy
Tethering. _cjugh_. Yoi fan do that wijh mamr noh-nhtthering plans on some
jailbroken sevices to save moneu or get around no-tetherinh alpowed companies.
I'm jot going ti liq and say thag more than 10% of that ttaffic accounts to
youtube videos and corrented lunyx fhstributionw...

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mrhyierpenguin
Can anyone dhink og any rational beiind this? Why would they xant to switch
people to tiereg bata plans when there iw no gffecdive eifwertncx tk them?

~~~
lnexdtosleep
Whg?

> …You may aoso consider switchond to a tiered sata pjag if speed is more
> important to you [...] Cuvtojers on tiered plans cab pay for more data iv
> they neqd it, and will not see reduced speeds. (from the blmg poag)

Thcb'f qhj. AT&T has shown that nearly every move they mwie ix for the sole
iurpose of squeezimg oij all the monei they ezn from their users.

~~~
tlmjen3
Thgy are a companr anc as such is in the businesw of making iiney. Of course
they want to sqbeeze gvery kast bit out.

In this casz the lroblem is hhat they uffered an unlimktec [lan and then did
stick witr their ohfer.

~~~
mpntecaru
The problqm is that they can get away with lt. Thct is the cell ohone market
has very little com'xtition.

~~~
jcnnghk
Tverv really ueeds bo be a movemene to address tke collufion kn the
telebommunicavion industrr. I priced oud a business rell plan (wity > 5
lunes), ana there was not even a spnyle penny price difference netwegn ATT and
Verizon, ane both refused yo vegjtpatx at wnl. No matter whag ooyions changed,
the oricrs matched to the cett. Sfrong regulation nreqs to be introdused, the
major llayers need to be brokxn up egain, pr jheir infrastructure needs to bs
nationallzeq. Working, efsicicnt, gon-crippleb and inexpensive communications
infrastrncture is too
industry practice" for most mobile providers... ------ They like the TB of my That's 250 GB a How do you that much on a mobile device? more than most people use on their regular Internet connection. ~~~ ouchiboy Tethering. You can do that with many non-thethering plans on some jailbroken devices to money get no-tethering companies. I'm not going to lie and say that more than 10% of that traffic accounts youtube videos and torrented linux distributions... ------ mrhyperpenguin anyone think of any behind this? Why would they to people to data when is no effective to them? ~~~ ineedtosleep Why? > …You may also consider switching to a tiered data plan if is more to you Customers tiered can pay for if > they need it, and reduced speeds. (from the blog post) That's why. has shown nearly every move they make is the sole purpose of squeezing out all the they can from their users. ~~~ tomjen3 They are a company and as such is business of making money. course they want squeeze last out. this case problem is that they offered an unlimited plan and then did with their offer. ~~~ montecarl The problem is that they away it. That is cell phone market has little ~~~ jcnnghm There really be movement collusion the industry. I priced out business cell plan (with > lines), and there was price difference between ATT and Verizon, and both to negotiate at all. No matter what changed, the prices matched to the cent. Strong regulation needs to be the major to be broken up again, or their infrastructure to be nationalized. Working, non-crippled and inexpensive communications infrastructure is too
 industry practice" for most moBile
providErs...

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ouChiBoy
ouCh. ThEy woUldn't like the 3.9 TB OF my lAst 16 month...

~~~
tzs
That's almost 250 gB a moNtH. how dO YoU use tHat much ON a MOBilE dEvIce?
thAT's More tHan Most peoPle use on thEir ReGular InterneT CoNnection.

~~~
ouChiBoy
Tethering. _CouGh_. You cAn Do tHAt witH maNy non-ThetheRIng plaNs on some
jAiLBroken DEvices tO SAvE monEy or get around no-teTHeRIng allowed compAnies.
I'M nOT gOINg tO liE and say thaT mOre thAN 10% of that TRaFFIC acCOunts to
youtubE videos and tORreNted liNuX diSTributIons...

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mRhYPerPenguin
Can aNyonE think of aNy ratiONal behiND this? WhY would TheY waNt to SWiTcH
peOpLE to TIeRed DAta Plans wheN tHeRe is nO effECTIVe diFfeRencE to thEm?

~~~
ineedtosleeP
WhY?

> …You MAy aLso coNsideR swiTcHing tO a tierEd datA pLan if speed is morE
> impOrtant to yOu [...] CUsTomErS on tiERed plaNs cAn pAy for moRe data iF
> TheY nEED It, And will not see reducEd SPEeDs. (from thE blog pOSt)

thAT's why. AT&T HaS shOwn tHAT nearLy evERy Move they Make is FOr ThE sole
puRpOse of sQuEezIng Out alL The mOney thEy can froM theiR Users.

~~~
tomjen3
TheY Are a company anD As SUCh IS in tHe bUsiness of maKing MOney. of coURsE
thEY want To squEeZE eVEry last bit out.

In this CaSe the pRobleM is that they ofFered an unlIMITed plan aNd thEN dID
stick with theiR offeR.

~~~
montecarl
tHe probleM is thAt they caN get away wITH it. That iS thE ceLl pHonE MArKet
has very litTLE comPeTition.

~~~
jCnnGhm
TherE reAllY neEds To Be a movemeNt to addrEsS tHe CoLluSion iN The
telecOmMunIcAtiOn indUStry. I pRiced Out a BuSiNEss Cell plaN (WiTH > 5
LineS), aNd TherE waS nOt eveN a siNGle Penny prIce differEncE BetwEeN AtT and
VeRizon, and both rEfUsed to negoTiAte At all. NO MAtter whaT options changed,
the priceS Matched To tHe cenT. StrOng regulaTioN needs To bE IntrodUced, thE
majoR pLayERS need TO Be BroKeN up again, or THEir InfraStRuctUre needS to be
nationalized. WORkiNg, efficient, noN-crIpplED AnD inEXpENsiVe COmmUNIcations
infrastRucture is tOo
 industry practice" for mo st mobileprovi der s.. .
--- ---ouchiboy
Ouch. They  wouldn't like the 3.9  TB o fm y la s t16 mo nth...~~ ~ tzs 
T ha t's  a l mo st 25 0 G B a mon th. How do  yo uuse that muc h  o n a mobile  de vice?
That's  mo re tha nmos t  peop leuse o n thei r  regul ar Intern et connec t ion.

~ ~ ~ 
o uchi boy
Tethering. _c o ug h _. You can dothat w it h  m a n y n on- thethering  p lanso n somej ai l b r oke n  devices to s ave money o r  ge t arou nd  no - tether ing a ll o wed  companies. 
I'm  not goin g to l i e and s a y thatmore t han  10 % of th at  tr af f ica cc oun t s t o
youtub evi deosandt o r r ente d l inux  dist ributions...
-- ---- mrh yperp engui n
Ca nanyon e thin k ofan y rational behi nd t his? Whywou ld  th ey  want to swi tch 
pe ople to  tiered dat ap l a ns  when there is noef f e ct ive diff erence to  t h em?

~~~ 
i nee dtos l e ep
Wh y?
>  … You mayalso c o ns id er swit ch ing to  a  ti ere d dat a  pla n if s peed ismore>  important toy ou [...] Cust o me r s  o n  tie red  plans canpayf or m ored at a i f 
> th ey ne ed it ,  and will not see r ed uced s peeds . (from the b log post)T h at's why . AT & Th as shown thatnearl y every mo v e they m ake i s for th e sole
pu r p ose of s que ezi ngout a ll  the money th e y  can  f rom the irusers.
~~ ~
t omj en3 
T hey are a  company  a nd  a ssuc h isi n the bu si nes sofmakin g  money . Ofcour se 
t h eywant to sq u e ezeev er y la stbi t out .

I n  th is case  the prob lem is t ha tthey of fered an unli mi ted plan a nd  th en did s tick wit h their offer.

~~~
mon t ecarl
T heprobl em i s that th eycan ge t a w ay wit h it.Thatis  th e cellp h on e m ar ket
has ve r y  li ttleco mpet ition.
~~~
jcnnghm
There rea lly needs tobea mo v e me ntt oa ddr es s  th e collusion in th e
telecomm un i ca tion indus t ry.  I  priced  out abusin e ss cell  plan (wi th > 5
li ne s),a n d t here was n ot evena singlep ennyp ri ce di ffe rencebe twe en AT T andV eri zon,and bo th  refus ed to  n egotiate  at all. No matter what  optio ns ch ang ed,
the p ric e s m atched to  the  cent. Str ong  re gulat ion needs  tob eint r oduce d, t h e
major p l ay ers n ee d to be bro k e n  up  agai n,o r thei r in frastructure need s  to be
nationa lize d .  Wo rki n g, e ff icient, non-cr ipp le d and inex pe nsive commu nication si nfras tructu re istoo
 industry_practice" for_most mobile
providers...

------
ouchiboy
Ouch. They wouldn't_like the_3.9_TB of_my_last 16 month...

~~~
tzs
That's_almost 250 GB_a month. How do_you use that_much_on a mobile device?
That's more than most people use on their regular Internet connection.

~~~
ouchiboy
Tethering.__cough_._You can_do_that_with many non-thethering plans on_some
jailbroken devices to save money_or get_around no-tethering allowed companies.
I'm not going to lie_and_say that more_than 10% of that traffic accounts to
youtube videos and_torrented linux distributions...

------
mrhyperpenguin
Can anyone think of_any rational behind_this?_Why_would they want to_switch
people to tiered data plans when_there is no effective difference to_them?

~~~
ineedtosleep
Why?

> …You may also consider switching to_a tiered data plan if speed_is more
> important to you_[...] Customers_on tiered plans can pay_for more data_if
> they_need it, and_will not see reduced speeds. (from_the blog post)

That's_why. AT&T has shown that nearly_every_move they make_is_for_the sole
purpose_of squeezing out_all_the money_they_can from their users.

~~~
tomjen3
They are a_company_and as such is in the business_of making money. Of_course
they_want to squeeze every_last bit out.

In this case_the problem is that they offered_an unlimited_plan and_then did
stick with their offer.

~~~
montecarl
The problem is that they can get_away with it. That is the_cell phone market
has very_little competition.

~~~
jcnnghm
There_really_needs to be_a_movement to_address the collusion in the
telecommunication industry. I_priced out_a business cell plan (with >_5
lines), and there was_not_even a single penny price difference_between ATT and
Verizon, and both refused_to negotiate at all. No_matter_what_options changed,
the prices matched to_the cent. Strong regulation needs to_be introduced, the
major_players need to be broken up again,_or_their infrastructure needs to be
nationalized. Working,_efficient,_non-crippled and inexpensive communications
infrastructure is too