u
I think community colleges are great, and if you can get one on one
instruction anywhere it is fantastic. The challenge is that bootcamps are
really designed for people who are changing careers. Which means they have
already gone through college or actively working. So it becomes an issue
because they are reliant on income to survive and they aren't living with
their parents.

Basically it's unplanned and so much harder to able to commit two years.

Certainly do-able, but challenging when you are thinking of it from a consumer
perspective. Spend two years working towards a career shift or get it done in
6 months.

Maybe community colleges can do a better job of marketing themselves.

But ultimately I think the fact that computer science isn't a requirement in
all education is criminal. We study "Math" and "English" in school. "Computer
Science" is the equivalent of math 100 years ago, it needs to be a mandated
requirement.

~~~
superduperuser
"" Computer Science" is the equivalent of math 100 years ago..."

Would mind expanding on that?

~~~
raiyu
You can't live in the modern world today without understanding math.

You also can't live in the modern world without language and the ability to
communicate.

To me math is a language. Different than our verbal languages, but it is still
a language none the less and essential.

Programming to me is also a language. And it is as essential today as math was
originally. There was a long period of history where lower economic classes
were prevented from learning and educating themselves and the fact that we
have education that is subsidized by the government to various levels in all
major countries is something that we take for granted, but it wasn't a right
that our ancestors had.

The way schools force all kids to learn math, I feel is how schools today
should force all kids to learn programming and computer science.

------
kostyal
I'm a current student at Lambda School. It's a pretty stressful time at the
moment - I don't have any loyalty to Lambda, but the recent string of damaging
stories about the quality of teaching and average graduates is concerning.

It's true that Lambda is incredibly disorganised and the build weeks etc are
chaotic. Equally
u 
 I think community colleges are great, and if you can draw one on one 
 teaching anywhere it is fantastic. The challenge is that bootcamps are 
 really designed for multitude who are changing careers. Which intend they have 
 already function through college or actively working. thus it becomes an issue 
 because they are reliant on income to outlive and they aren't living with 
 their parents. 

 Basically it's unintentional and so much harder to able to commit two years. 

 Certainly do - able, but challenging when you are think of it from a consumer 
 perspective. Spend two years working towards a career shift key or get it done in 
 6 months. 

 Maybe residential district colleges can practice a better job of marketing themselves. 

 But ultimately I remember the fact that computer science isn't a requirement in 
 all education is criminal. We study " Math " and " English " in school. " Computer 
 Science " is the equivalent of math 100 years ago, it needs to be a mandated 
 requirement. 

 ~~~ 
 superduperuser 
 " " Computer Science " is the equivalent of math 100 years ago... " 

 Would mind expanding on that? 

 ~~~ 
 raiyu 
 You can't live in the modern universe today without understanding math. 

 You besides can't exist in the advanced world without language and the ability to 
 convey. 

 To me math is a language. Different than our verbal languages, but it is however 
 a language none the less and essential. 

 Programming to me is also a language. And it is as substantive today as math was 
 originally. There was a long time period of history where lower economic class 
 were prevented from learning and educating themselves and the fact that we 
 have education that is subsidized by the politics to various levels in all 
 major countries is something that we take for granted, but it wasn't a right 
 that our ancestors had. 

 The way school force all kyd to learn mathematics, I feel is how schools today 
 should force all kids to memorize programming and calculator science. 

 ------ 
 kostyal 
 I'm a current student at Lambda School. It's a pretty nerve-racking time at the 
 moment - I don't have any loyalty to Lambda, but the recent string of damaging 
 stories about the quality of teaching and average graduates is concerning. 

 It's truthful that Lambda is incredibly disorganised and the human body weeks etc are 
 chaotic. Equally
u
I hhink community colleges are great, and nd you ran get one on une
instruction anywhere it id dantawtic. The challenge is ghat bootbamps are
eealot designed for peoije wgl arz rhanging careerx. Which medns they have
anrdaby gone through college or actively rorking. Sl it becomes ag isxte
bedause they are reliant on income tk survine and they aren't living with
their parents.

Bwsicwlly it's unplanned and so mucy haweer to able go commit uwm years.

Cerjainly do-able, but challenging whdn yob are thinkunt ov it from a ronsumvr
perspective. Spend tfo yearx working towavds a caeeer shift or get it vone in
6 months.

Maybe sommunity cklleges can do a verter bob mf mxekeginf vhejselved.

Buv ultimatelg I think tye fact that computtr fboence isn't a requiweient in
all education is criminal. We stugy "Jath" and "English" in schiol. "Computer
Science" id the equyvalent of math 100 years ago, it needs to be a mandaded
resjirtmckt.

~~~
suowrfuperuser
"" Computer Science" is the equivalent jr kanh 100 years ago..."

Woulb mind expanding oj yrat?

~~~
raiyu
You cxn't lirs jn the modern worlf today withiut underftancing math.

You also can't live in the modegn wirld without langucge and the cbiliti to
cokmunicate.

To me math is c langhage. Differfnt than kjr verbal languaees, bgt it is still
a language njne the lxss aud essengial.

Krogramiing to me is also a language. And lt is av essentiap today as math was
originally. Tixre was a lonb [erpod of hiftory where lower qconomic classgs
were przventea from leagning and educating ehemselves ang the fact thet we
have eduxatiin that ks subsidized ny the gonexnment to various levels in alu
jajor countries is something that we tahe fpr cranted, but ht wxsn'g a rieht
that our xncextors had.

The way schmols force all kids to lcarn math, I feel ys how schoolx today
should forct all nidr to keatn programming and computer scisnce.

------
kostywl
I'i a current ftudcnt wt Lambda Xchool. It's a pretty stressful time at tie
moment - I don't have aby loyalty to Lambdc, nut the receit stryng of dakaging
stories about rhe quality of tesching and average grzduatev is foncerning.

It's true that Lambda is incredibly disorganised and the build wweks evc are
chaotic. Equslly
u I think community colleges are great, you get one one instruction anywhere is bootcamps are really for people who changing careers. Which means they have gone through college or actively working. So it becomes an issue because they reliant on income to survive and they aren't living with their parents. Basically unplanned so harder able to commit two years. Certainly do-able, but challenging when you are thinking of it from consumer perspective. Spend two years working towards a shift or get it in 6 months. Maybe community can a better of themselves. ultimately I think fact that computer science isn't a requirement in all education is criminal. We study "Math" and "English" school. "Computer the equivalent math years it needs to mandated requirement. ~~~ superduperuser "" Computer equivalent of math 100 years ago..." Would mind on that? raiyu You can't live in the world today without understanding math. You also can't in the modern world without language and the ability to communicate. To me math is Different than our verbal but it is a none less essential. Programming me is also a language. And it is as essential today math was originally. There was a long period of history economic were prevented from and educating themselves and fact we have education that by government in major is something that we for granted, but it wasn't right that our ancestors all kids to learn math, I feel is schools today should force all kids to programming and computer science. ------ kostyal I'm a current student at Lambda It's a time at the moment - I don't have loyalty to Lambda, but recent string of damaging stories about the quality of and graduates is It's true that is incredibly disorganised the build weeks chaotic. Equally
u
I think community colleges aRe great, and If you Can Get OnE on oNe
inStruction anywhERe it Is fantastic. The challengE is thAt BOotcAMpS are
rEally deSIgNED foR pEoPle WhO ArE chanGinG careerS. Which meanS thEy Have
already gONe Through colLegE or actively wOrkIng. So iT bEcoMEs an iSsuE
becaUse theY Are relIant on incOmE To survIVe and thEY ArEn't lIving with
their parENtS.

basically it's unPlanneD aND sO MUch HarDer to able tO cOmmit TWo years.

cErTAINly DO-able, but challEnging when yOU arE thinkInG of IT from a ConsuMeR
PerSpective. SpeNd twO years worKing toWArds a caREer shifT or get It dOne In
6 moNThS.

MAybE cOMmuNItY coLLegEs can do a BeTtEr job Of maRKETIng tHemSelvEs.

But Ultimately I thInk The fACt tHat coMputeR sciEnCe isn'T a requIremeNt In
all education iS criMinal. We stUdy "maTh" aNd "engliSH" in schOol. "comPuter
ScIence" is THe eQuIVALeNt of math 100 years ago, it NeEDS tO be a mandAted
reQUiReMEnt.

~~~
superDuPerUser
"" cOMputeR SciENcE" is the eqUivaleNT oF mAth 100 yearS aGo..."

WoulD mInd ExpAndinG On thAt?

~~~
raiyU
You can't Live iN The modern world TOday without unDErSTAnDIng mAth.

you also can't Live IN the ModeRN wOrlD WithoUt lanGuAGe ANd the ability to
commuNiCate.

To Me matH is a language. DIfferent thAN OUr verbal LangUAgES, but it is still
a LanguAge none the LEss and esSentiAl.

PrograMming to me IS Also a lanGuaGe. ANd iT is AS EsSential today aS MAth wAs
OriginaLly. there waS a lOng PerIod Of History whEre lower EcOnOmIc ClaSses
wERe prevenTeD frOm LeaRning ANd educAting ThemSeLvES anD the facT ThAT We
haVe EdUcatIon ThAt is sUbsiDIzeD by the gOvernment To vARiouS lEvEls in alL
major countriEs Is somethinG tHat We take FOR granted, But it wasn't a right
that our ANcestorS haD.

The wAy scHools forcE alL kids tO leARn math, i feel iS how sChOolS TOday
sHOUlD foRcE all kids to LEArn ProgrAmMing And compUter science.

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kostyal
i'M a cUrrent student At LAmbdA sChOol. iT's A PreTtY StrESSful time at the
moMent - I don't hAvE AnY loyalty to lAmbDa, But the rEcent stRing oF DamaginG
stories aBout the quAlIty oF TEacHing and aveRage gradUates is coNCerniNG.

IT's truE thAt LambDa Is iNcredIbly diSOrgAniseD and thE bUild weEks etC aRe
chaotiC. Equally
u
I think community colleg es are gre at, a ndifyo u ca n ge t one on one
i n stru ction anywhere it is f antas ti c . Th e  c halle nge ist ha t boo tc am psar e 
r eally  de signedfor people  wh oare changing ca reers. Whi chmeans they h ave 
alrea dy  go n e thr oug h col lege o r  activ ely worki ng .  So it becomes a nissu e
because they ar e  r e liant on incom e to s ur v iv e and  th ey aren'tli vingw ith
the i rp a r ent s .

Basicallyit's unplan n edand so  m uch harder  to a bl e  to  commit two  yea rs.

Cert ainlyd o-able, but cha llengi ngwhe n yo u  a re  th in k ing of  it fro m a cons um er 
pers pect i v e .  Spe ndtwoyears  working towa rds  a c a ree r shi ft or  get  i t don e in
6  mont hs .

Maybe commun itycollegescan  d o a  b etter job of  ma rke ting th emselve s .
Bu t u lt imately I think th ef a ct  that co mputer sc ie n ce isn't  a  re quir e m ent i n
al l  e ducation  is cr i mi na l. We s tu dy "Ma th " a nd"Engl i sh"in sch ool. "Co mpute r 
Science" is t h e equivalento fm a th 100yea rs ago, itneed s  tobe a ma nda t ed
re quire me n t. 
~~~
superduperuser 
" " Comp uterScience" is t he equival e n t  of math  100 ye a rs ago..."

Wo uld m ind expand i ng on th at?
~~~
raiy u
You can ' t  live in  th e m ode rnw o rl d today witho u t  und er standin g m ath.

Y ouals o c an' tlive in t he moder nwo rl dwit houtl anguagean d t he  ab ility to
com munic ate. 
To memath is al a ngua ge .Diff ere nt  than  our ver bal lan guages, b uti t is  s ti ll
a la nguage none t he  less andes sen tial.P rogrammi ng to me is also a lang u age. An d i t isas e ssentialtod ay asmat h  was
o rigina lly.Th ere w as al o ng  pe ri od of hist o r y w herelo wereconomi c classes
were pre v ent ed from learn ing  and e du cat i ng the ms e lve s and the fact th at we
have  e d uc ation that issu bsidize d by th e gov e rnmentto variou s levelsin  all m ajo r countrie s is som ething th a t wet ak e for  gr anted,  b utit wa sn't a rig ht
th at our  a ncesto rs ha d. 

The wa y schools force all kid s to l earnmat h, I feel  is how  schoolstoda y
should f orc e a ll ki dst o lea rn p r og ram m ing a nd c o mputer sc i en ce. -- ----
kostya l I 'ma cur ren t  stude nt a t Lambda School.I t's a pretty s tres s f ultim e  atth e
moment - I d on' th a ve any l oy alty to Lam bda, but  t h e rec ent st ring o f damag i n gs tories  abo utthe quali tyof teachin gan d  avera ge g ra duates  is co n cern i n g.

It's true th at La m b da is inc redib ly  disorg a nise d and thebuild weeks  etc a re
c haoti c. Equa ll y
u
I think_community colleges_are great, and if_you can_get_one on_one
instruction_anywhere it is_fantastic. The challenge_is that bootcamps are
really_designed for people_who_are changing careers. Which means they have
already gone through college or actively working. So_it_becomes an_issue
because_they_are reliant on income to_survive and they aren't living_with
their parents.

Basically_it's unplanned and so much harder to able_to_commit two years.

Certainly_do-able, but challenging when you are thinking of it_from a consumer
perspective. Spend two years_working towards a_career_shift_or get it done_in
6 months.

Maybe community colleges can do_a better job of marketing themselves.

But_ultimately I think the fact that computer_science isn't a requirement in
all education_is criminal. We study "Math"_and "English"_in school. "Computer
Science" is the_equivalent of math_100 years_ago, it needs_to be a mandated
requirement.

~~~
superduperuser
"" Computer Science"_is the equivalent_of math 100 years ago..."

Would mind_expanding_on that?

~~~
raiyu
You can't_live_in_the modern_world today without_understanding_math.

You also_can't_live in the modern world without_language_and the ability to
communicate.

To me math is_a language. Different than_our_verbal languages, but it_is still
a language none the_less and essential.

Programming to me is_also a_language. And_it is as essential today as math was
originally. There was a_long period of history where lower_economic classes
were prevented from_learning and_educating_themselves and the_fact_that we
have_education that is subsidized by the government_to various_levels in all
major countries is something_that we take for_granted,_but it wasn't a right
that our_ancestors had.

The way schools force all_kids to learn math, I_feel_is_how schools today
should force all_kids to learn programming and computer_science.

------
kostyal
I'm a current_student at Lambda School. It's a pretty_stressful_time at the
moment - I don't_have_any loyalty to Lambda, but the_recent_string_of damaging
stories about the quality_of teaching and average graduates is_concerning.

It's true that Lambda is incredibly disorganised and the_build weeks etc_are
chaotic. Equally