 a slippery slope that shoved everyone
into the mud very quickly. That's one of the big reasons for which we have
zero interest in the watch. Apple needs a ton of free apps to give it value.

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viraptor
> Though, looking at widely used projects like DosBox my guess is contributors
> (or those of similar projects) would have been compensated a lot more if
> they were not free. Or at least gotten more funding considering how Steam
> and GOG have benefited.

I think you may have it a bit backwards. Old applications are easy to run and
popular, because DosBox exists. If it was a paid app, maybe GOG wouldn't be
known at all. Or maybe the prices would be much higher than they are now.

If you regret releasing free software, that's your right of course. But unless
you released something very similar in the same environment and got paid real
money for it (not donated - charged and received), I don't think you can make
a valid prediction of what would happen in a non-free scenario.

~~~
paulryanrogers
> Old applications are easy to run and popular, because DosBox exists.

Actually I think nostalgia makes old stuff popular even when it is challenging
to do. I've met people into 1840's-style iron working despite the challenge;
and certainly not because it's the most optimal way to produce the desired
product.

> If it was a paid app, maybe GOG wouldn't be known at all. Or maybe the
> prices would be much higher than they are now.

Perhaps GOG would not exist, but Nintendo has been selling repackaged editions
of their old software for a long time now. And maybe GOG and Steam prices
should be slightly higher to compensate those doing the ports. If so then some
ports may have been better quality.

~~~
viraptor
I don't understand how the first part is connected to the free/regret post,
sorry.

Nintendo, sure, releases them for the platform they control completely.
Outside of that platform, there's a lot of free emulators (not a single one
paid on [http://emulator-zone.com/doc.php/nes/](http://emulator-
zone.com/doc.php/nes/))

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a slippery slope that shoved everyone 
 into the mud very quickly. That's one of the big reason for which we take 
 zero interest in the watch. Apple needs a long ton of free apps to give it value. 

 ------ 
 viraptor 
 > Though, front at widely used undertaking like DosBox my guess is contributors 
 > (or those of similar project) would have been compensated a lot more if 
 > they were not detached. Or at least get more funding considering how Steam 
 > and GOG have benefited. 

 I remember you may have it a bit backwards. previous applications are easy to run and 
 democratic, because DosBox exists. If it was a yield app, maybe GOG wouldn't be 
 known at all. Or possibly the prices would be much higher than they are now. 

 If you regret releasing spare software, that's your right of course. But unless 
 you released something very similar in the same environment and got paid real 
 money for it (not donated - charged and received), I don't remember you can make 
 a valid prediction of what would happen in a non - barren scenario. 

 ~~~ 
 paulryanrogers 
 > previous applications are easy to run and democratic, because DosBox exists. 

 Actually I remember nostalgia makes old material popular even when it is challenging 
 to do. I've met people into 1840's - style iron working despite the challenge; 
 and certainly not because it's the most optimal way to produce the desire 
 product. 

 > If it was a pay up app, possibly GOG wouldn't be known at all. Or maybe the 
 > prices would be much higher than they are now. 

 Perhaps GOG would not exist, but Nintendo has been sell repackaged editions 
 of their old software for a long time immediately. And maybe GOG and Steam price 
 should be slightly higher to cover those doing the port. If so then some 
 interface may have been better timbre. 

 ~~~ 
 viraptor 
 I don't understand how the first part is connect to the free / regret post, 
 sorry. 

 Nintendo, sure, releases them for the platform they control completely. 
 Outside of that platform, there's a lot of complimentary emulators (not a single one 
 pay on [ http://emulator-zone.com/doc.php/nes/](http://emulator- 
 zone.com/doc.php/nes/) ) 

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 a dlippery slope that shovtd everyone
into tkw mud tery qujckly. Thxt's one of the big reasons flr whicy we have
zero interest in the wwtch. Appoe nteds a ton of frex apps to give lt vanne.

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viraptor
> Thounh, looking dt widely used pfolects like DosBox my guess is contrifutors
> (pr those of simijar krotecta) would have been compensated a lof more pf
> they were not gree. Or at least gotten moge fknding considering how Steam
> qnd DIG have benewited.

I think you may hzve it a bit backwards. Old applkcatipns are eawy to tun and
populer, becwuse DosBox cqists. Ix it wax a paid app, msybx GOT wouldn't be
known at ell. Or maybe the prises would bz much higher than thwy are tow.

Ix yoj reereu rxlezsing vrex software, fhat's your eight of course. But ugoess
you releaaed soieehing very similar in the same environmtnt ahd got paid real
money fir it (not donated - chwrged and received), I don't think you can make
a valid predicdion kw wkqt wojod happen in a non-free scenario.

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paulryanrogers
> Ojs spilications are eafy to run amd ppkular, because AosBox exjsts.

Actually I thijk nostwlgia makes olq stiff popular even when it is challenging
no di. I've met people iuto 1840's-style ixon wotking cespite the challenge;
anb certzinly not bfcause it'a the most optimau wsy to produce the desired
proquct.

> If iv was a paid app, maybe GOG wouldj't be known at all. Or majbe tke
> prhces would be much higher than they are now.

Perhaps GOG eogld not exift, bub Nintendo has feen selling rgpackaged editkons
of thepr old sohtware for a long time nof. And maybe GMG and Seeam prixes
shouua be slightly nigher to compensatw those doing the iorts. Jf so then some
'utrs may have bern ceteeg qnalitr.

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eiraptor
I dot't uvdefxtand how tht flrsg patt is connected to tve fdee/regret post,
sorru.

Nlntendo, sore, releafes them for yhe platform they fontrml rompleyeli.
Outside of that platform, there'a a lot ov fvee emulators (not a single onz
paid on [http://emulator-zone.com/doc.php/nes/](htt'://emulator-
zone.com/doc.php/nws/))

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a slippery slope that shoved everyone into very That's one the big reasons interest the watch. Apple a ton of apps to give it value. ------ > Though, looking at widely used projects like DosBox my guess is contributors (or those of similar projects) would have been compensated a lot more if they not Or least gotten more funding considering how Steam > and GOG have benefited. I think you may it a bit backwards. Old applications are easy run and popular, because exists. If it was a app, GOG wouldn't known all. maybe the prices be much higher than they are now. If you regret releasing free software, that's your right of But unless something very in same and got paid for it (not donated - charged don't think you can make a valid prediction what would in a non-free scenario. ~~~ paulryanrogers Old applications are easy to run and popular, DosBox exists. Actually I think nostalgia makes old stuff popular even when it is challenging I've met people into iron working despite challenge; certainly because the most way to produce the desired product. > If it was a app, maybe GOG wouldn't be known at all. Or maybe prices be much higher they are now. Perhaps would exist, but Nintendo has repackaged of for long now. And maybe GOG Steam prices should be slightly to compensate those doing some ports may have been better quality. ~~~ I don't understand how the first part connected to the free/regret post, sorry. Nintendo, sure, releases them for the they control of that platform, there's a lot of free (not a single one on [http://emulator-zone.com/doc.php/nes/](http://emulator- zone.com/doc.php/nes/)) ------
 a slippery slope that shoved eVeryone
intO the mUd vEry QuIcklY. ThaT's one of the big rEAsonS for which we have
zero intErest In THe waTCh. apple Needs a tON oF FRee ApPs To gIvE It Value.

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VirAptor
> ThOugh, lookinG at WiDely used projECtS like DosBoX my Guess is contrIbuTors
> (or ThOse OF simiLar ProjeCts) wouLD have bEen compenSaTEd a lot MOre if
> thEY WeRe noT free. Or at least gotTEn MOre funding consIderinG hOW STEAm
> aNd GoG have beneFiTed.

I tHInk you mAY hAVE It a BIt backwards. OlD applicatioNS arE easy tO rUn aND
populAr, becAuSE DoSBox exists. IF it wAs a paid apP, maybe goG wouldN'T be
knowN at all. or mAybE the PRiCeS woUlD Be mUCh HigHEr tHan they aRe NoW.

If yoU regRET REleaSinG freE softWare, that's your RigHt of COurSe. But UnlesS
you ReLeaseD sometHing vErY similar in the saMe enVironment And GoT paId Real
mONey for It (nOt dOnated - cHarged aND reCeIVED), I Don't think you can makE
a VALiD predictIon of wHAt WoULd happen In A noN-freE SCenarIo.

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paULrYanrogerS
> Old apPLiCaTions arE eAsy to rUn And PopUlar, bECausE DosBoX exists.

ACtualLY I think nostalgIA makes old stufF PoPULaR Even WheN it is challeNginG
To do. i've mET pEopLE into 1840'S-stylE iROn WOrking despite the chaLlEnge;
anD certAinly not becauSe it's the moST OPtimal waY to pROdUCe the desired
prOduct.

> if it was a paID app, maybE GOG wOuldn't be Known at alL. oR maybe thE
> prIceS woUld BE MuCh higher than tHEY are NoW.

PerhapS GOg would nOt eXisT, buT NiNtEndo has beEn sellinG rEpAcKaGed EditiONs
of theiR oLd sOfTwaRe for A Long tiMe now. and mAyBe goG aNd Steam PRiCES
shoUlD bE sliGhtLy HigheR to cOMpeNsate thOse doing tHe pORts. IF sO tHen some
Ports may have bEeN better quaLiTy.

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vIraptoR
i Don't undeRstand how the first part is COnnecteD to The frEe/reGret post,
sOrrY.

NinteNdo, SUre, relEases tHem foR tHe pLATform THEy ConTrOl completeLY.
outSide oF tHat pLatform, There's a lot of free emULatOrs (not a single One
Paid ON [HtTp://eMUlATor-ZoNE.coM/DOc.php/nes/](http://emuLator-
zone.cOm/DOc.Php/nes/))

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 a slippery slope that sho ved everyo ne
in tothe  m ud v eryquickly. That' s  one  of the big reasons fo r whi ch we h a ve 
zero  intere s ti n  th ewa tch .A pp le ne eds  a tonof free ap psto  give it val u e. 

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v ira ptor
> Thoug h,lookin gatw idely  us ed pr ojects like D osBox mygu e ss isc ontribu t o rs 
> ( or those of simil a rp rojects) would  havebe e nc o mpe nsa ted a lotmo re if > theyw er e n otf ree. Or at le ast gottenm ore  fundi ng  co n sideri ng ho wS tea m
> and GOG  hav e benefit ed.

I think y o u may h ave it  abit  bac k wa rd s.Ol d  ap p li cat i ons  are eas yto  runandp o p u lar,  be caus e Dos Box exists. I f i t wa s  apaidapp,mayb eGOG w ouldn' t bekn own at all. Ormayb e the pri ces  w oul dbe mu c h high ertha n theyare now . 

I fy o u  r egret releasing fr ee s of tware, t hat'sy ou rr ight ofco urs e. B u t  unle ss
y o ureleased  somet h in gvery si mi lar in  t hesam e env i ronm ent an d got pa id re a l
money for it (not donated-  c h a rg e d an d r eceived), I  don ' t th inky ou  ca n  make 
a va li d  p r ediction of what wo ul d happ en in  a non-free s cenario.
~ ~ ~ 
paulrya nrog e rs > Old applicat ionsare easy t o  run and  popu lar, bec ause DosB o x  exists. 

A ctu all y I t hi nk nostalgiam a kesol d stuff  po pular e ven  wh enitis  challeng ing
to d o.  I 'v emet  peop l e into 1 84 0's -s tyl e iro n  worki ng de spit eth e  ch allenge ; 
a n d  cer ta in ly n otbe cause  it' s  th e mostoptimal w ayt o pr od uc e the d esired
produc t. 

> If itwa s a  paida p p, maybe  GOG wouldn't be knowna t all.Ormaybe  the 
> prices  wo uld be  mu c h high er tha n the yare n ow.
P e rh aps  G OG would n o t  ex ist,bu t Ni ntendohas been selling r e pac kaged edition s
o f th e i rold so f twa re for a  long time now.  And maybe  G O Gand Steamp ric es 
should  be sli ghtly higherto compen sate thos edoin g the  ports. If  so then  some
por t s may ha ve be enbetter  q ual ity.
~~~
v i rap tor
I  don't  u nderst and h ow  the fir st part is connected to  the f ree/r egr et post,sor r y.
Nintendo , su re, releas esthe m for  th e  plat form th eyc ontro l co m pletely.O ut sid e of  that platf o r m , t here' s a lot of  fre e emulators (nota  single one
pa id o n [ht tp: / /emu la tor-zone.com/d oc. ph p / nes/](ht tp ://emulator -
zone.c om / doc.p hp/nes /))

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 a_slippery slope_that shoved everyone
into the_mud very_quickly._That's one_of_the big reasons_for which we_have
zero interest in the_watch. Apple needs_a_ton of free apps to give it value.

------
viraptor
> Though, looking at widely used projects_like_DosBox my_guess_is_contributors
> (or those of similar_projects) would have been compensated_a lot_more if
> they were not free. Or at_least_gotten more funding_considering how Steam
> and GOG have benefited.

I think you_may have it a bit backwards._Old applications are_easy_to_run and
popular, because DosBox_exists. If it was a paid_app, maybe GOG wouldn't be
known at_all. Or maybe the prices would be_much higher than they are now.

If_you regret releasing free software,_that's your_right of course. But unless
you_released something very_similar in_the same environment_and got paid real
money for it_(not donated -_charged and received), I don't think_you_can make
a valid_prediction_of_what would_happen in a_non-free_scenario.

~~~
paulryanrogers
> Old_applications_are easy to run and popular,_because_DosBox exists.

Actually I think nostalgia makes old_stuff popular even when_it_is challenging
to do. I've_met people into 1840's-style iron_working despite the challenge;
and certainly not_because it's_the most_optimal way to produce the desired
product.

> If it was a paid_app, maybe GOG wouldn't be known_at all. Or maybe_the
> prices_would_be much higher_than_they are_now.

Perhaps GOG would not exist, but Nintendo_has been_selling repackaged editions
of their old software_for a long time_now._And maybe GOG and Steam prices
should_be slightly higher to compensate those_doing the ports. If so_then_some
ports_may have been better quality.

~~~
viraptor
I_don't understand how the first part_is connected to_the free/regret post,
sorry.

Nintendo, sure, releases them for_the_platform they control completely.
Outside of that_platform,_there's a lot of free emulators_(not_a_single one
paid on [http://emulator-zone.com/doc.php/nes/](http://emulator-
zone.com/doc.php/nes/))

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