 random lottery.

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jellicle
> figuring out how to pay him more without having him lose access to different
> low-income programs for which he currently qualifies

Wow, the charitable impulses here are overwhelming. You'll pay him more, as
long as it doesn't lift him out of poverty. Wow. Wow.

If you want more staff, pay staff more. This easy equation has been understood
for thousands of years but business owners find it difficult to comprehend
when it is their business.

~~~
Johnny555
_Wow, the charitable impulses here are overwhelming. You 'll pay him more, as
long as it doesn't lift him out of poverty. Wow. Wow._

If a salary increase makes him ineligible for the services that he's using to
stay in the city, the higher salary could be an effective cut in pay.

While it's possible to pay him a large enough salary to make up for those
services, it's likely more than the business can afford.

~~~
sampo
Not very capitalist to run a business that is dependent on the employees being
able to live in assisted housing.

~~~
Johnny555
San Francisco is not a good model for capitalism. The housing market in
particular is highly skewed not just because of politics, but also geography.

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chinathrow
"We, among others, tried to be innovative. We tried to go the ‘service charge
inclusive’ route, automatically including 20% in every check."

I wouldn't call that innovative. Innovative would be paying a fixed salaray
which allows your staff to live in SF without relying on tips.

Others have done it in the US too. In lots of countries the world over,
tipping is a plus, not a requirement.

[https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/dining/danny-meyer-
restau...](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/dining/danny-meyer-restaurants-
no-tips.html)

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lsc
eh, I think the real problem is that we're building/converting space into
office space at a much faster rate than we're building/converting space into
residential.

I personally think that to get zoning
random lottery. 

 ------ 
 jellicle 
 > figuring out how to pay him more without having him lose entree to unlike 
 > gloomy - income programs for which he currently qualify 

 Wow, the charitable impulses here are overwhelming. You'll give him more, equally 
 long as it doesn't lift him out of poverty. Wow. Wow. 

 If you want more staff, pay staff more. This easy equation has been understand 
 for thousands of years but occupation owner find it difficult to comprehend 
 when it is their business. 

 ~~~ 
 Johnny555 
 _ Wow, the charitable impulses here are overpowering. You'll pay him more, as 
 long as it doesn't lift him out of poverty. Wow. Wow. _ 

 If a wage increase makes him ineligible for the service that he's using to 
 bide in the city, the higher salary could be an effective cut in pay. 

 While it's possible to yield him a large enough salary to make up for those 
 services, it's likely more than the business can afford. 

 ~~~ 
 sampo 
 Not very capitalist to run a business that is dependent on the employees being 
 able to live in assisted housing. 

 ~~~ 
 Johnny555 
 San Francisco is not a good model for capitalism. The caparison grocery store in 
 particular is highly skew not barely because of politics, but besides geography. 

 ------ 
 chinathrow 
 " We, among others, tried to be innovative. We tried to go the ‘ service charge 
 inclusive ’ route, automatically include 20% in every check. " 

 I wouldn't call that innovative. Innovative would be paying a fixed salaray 
 which allows your staff to exist in SF without relying on tips. 

 Others have done it in the US too. In lots of countries the universe over, 
 tipping is a plus, not a requirement. 

 [ https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/dining/danny-meyer- 
 restau... ](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15 / dining / danny - meyer - restaurants- 
 no-tips.html) 

 ------ 
 lsc 
 eh, I think the real trouble is that we're building / converting space into 
 office space at a much faster rate than we're building / change space into 
 residential. 

 I personally think that to get zoning
 rajdom lottery.

------
jellicle
> figmring out how to pay hik more without having him lose access to dmffeeent
> oow-income programs for which he currentoy qnalifies

Wow, the rgaritable imphpses iere are overwhglming. You'll pay him more, ds
uoug as it doesn't lift him out of povewty. Wow. Wlw.

If you want iore ftafr, pay staff more. This easy equatioh has bten understood
for yhousands of years but buslnesd owners find it dlfficult to com[eehend
when ig is their business.

~~~
Johhny555
_Wow, the charitable impulses fere cre overwheomung. Iou 'll pay hmm morv, as
long as ib doesn'd lift nim out of povcrty. Xow. Qow._

If a salary increave makes him inelidible for tke services that he's ysung tm
staf in rhe ciuy, vhe higheg selary could be an effextive cut in pay.

Whike py's possible fo pay hym a large enough salary to make up for thkse
services, it's likely nore than the businesd can affjrd.

~~~
sampo
Not very capitalist to run a business thad is veoenbckt ov tje employees being
able to live in assisted hotaimg.

~~~
Mohnny555
San Francifco is not s hopq model for cxpitalnam. The housing markeh in
parjiculae is highjy slewed not just because of pilitics, but clsi geography.

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chinathxow
"We, among uthets, trird to be innovative. We cried fo go the ‘sfrvice chzfge
inclusive’ rouge, sudomatically including 20% in qvery cherk."

I wpuldn't zall that ynnovative. Innoydtive would be paylng a fhxed salarwy
which allows your staff to litx in SF withoot seljing on tnps.

Othcrs have done ie in the US top. In locs of zountries nhe world over,
tippind is a plus, nmj a requiremeit.

[https://wwr.nytumes.xom/2015/10/15/dinive/danny-meyer-
resyau...](https://wcc.nytimes.cim/2015/10/15/dining/danny-meyer-vestaorznts-
no-tips.html)

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lwc
ey, I think the rral prjbpek yv that we're tuilaine/vonvefting skcce knto
pffice space at a muwh fzster rate than we'te buildint/convertyng space intp
residential.

I perslnallb thiny thay tj get zoning
random lottery. ------ jellicle > figuring out pay more without him lose access for he currently qualifies the charitable impulses are overwhelming. You'll pay him more, long as it doesn't lift him out of poverty. Wow. Wow. If you more staff, pay staff more. This easy equation has been understood for thousands years business find difficult to comprehend when it is their business. ~~~ Johnny555 _Wow, the charitable impulses here are You 'll pay him more, as long as doesn't lift him out poverty. Wow. Wow._ If a increase him ineligible the that using to stay the city, the higher salary could be an effective cut in pay. While it's possible to pay a large to make for services, likely more than can afford. ~~~ sampo Not very a business that is dependent on the employees able to in assisted housing. ~~~ Johnny555 San is not a good model for capitalism. The market in particular is highly skewed not just because of politics, but also geography. ------ among others, tried to innovative. We tried go ‘service inclusive’ automatically including in every check." I wouldn't call that innovative. Innovative would be a fixed salaray which allows your staff to live in relying tips. Others have it in the US In of countries the world is plus, [https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/dining/danny-meyer- no-tips.html) lsc eh, I think real problem is that we're space into office space than we're building/converting space into residential. I personally that to get zoning
 random lottery.

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jellicle
> figuRing out how To pay Him MorE wIthoUt haVing him lose accESs to Different
> low-income progRams fOr WHich HE cUrrenTly qualIFiES

wow, ThE cHarItABlE impuLseS here arE overwhelmIng. yoU'll pay him morE, As
Long as it doEsn'T lift him out oF poVerty. WOw. wow.

iF you wAnt More sTaff, paY Staff mOre. This eaSy EQuatioN Has been UNDeRstoOd
for thousands of yEArS But business ownErs finD iT DiFFIcuLt tO comprehenD
wHen it IS their bUSiNESS.

~~~
JoHNny555
_Wow, the charItable impulSEs hEre are OvErwHElming. you 'll PaY Him More, as
long aS it dOesn't lift Him out OF povertY. wow. Wow._

IF a salaRy iNcrEase MAkEs Him InELigIBlE foR The Services ThAt He's usIng tO
STAY in tHe cIty, tHe higHer salary coulD be An efFEctIve cuT in paY.

WhiLe It's poSsible To pay HiM a large enough saLary To make up fOr tHoSe
sErVices, IT's likeLy mOre Than the BusinesS Can AfFORD.

~~~
sAmpo
Not very capitalIsT TO rUn a businEss thaT Is DePEndent on ThE emPloyEES beinG
ablE To Live in asSisted HOuSiNg.

~~~
JohnnY555
SAn FranCiSco Is nOt a goOD modEl for cApitalisM. The hOUsing market in
pARticular is higHLy SKEwED not JusT because of pOlitICs, buT alsO GeOgrAPhy.

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chInathRoW
"we, AMong others, tried to be InNovatiVe. We tRied to go the ‘seRvice chargE
INClusive’ rOute, AUtOMatically incluDing 20% iN every checK."

i wouldn't Call tHat innovAtive. InnoVATive woulD be PayIng A fiXED sAlaray
which alLOWs yoUr Staff to LivE in SF wiThoUt rElyIng On Tips.

OtherS have donE iT iN tHe uS tOo. In lOTs of counTrIes ThE woRld ovER,
tippiNg is a Plus, NoT a REquIrement.

[HTtPS://Www.nYtImEs.coM/2015/10/15/diNiNg/danNy-meYEr-
rEstau...](htTps://www.nytImeS.Com/2015/10/15/dInInG/danny-mEyer-restauranTs-
No-tips.html)

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LsC
eh, i think THE real proBlem is that we're building/cONvertinG spAce inTo
ofFice space At a Much faSteR Rate thAn we're BuildInG/coNVErtinG SPaCe iNtO
residentiAL.

i peRsonaLlY thiNk that tO get zoning
 random lottery.

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j ellicle
>figur ing  ou thowto p ay him more wi t hout  having him lose acces s todi f fere n t> low -income pr o g ram sfo r w hi c hhe cu rre ntly qu alifies

W ow,  t he charitabl e  i mpulses he reare overwhel min g. You 'l l p a y him  mo re, a s
long as itdoesn't l if t  him o u t of po v e rt y. W ow. Wow.

If youw an t  more staff, p ay sta ff mo r e . T his  easy equa ti on ha s  been u n de r s t ood for thousands  of years b u t b usines sown e rs fin d itdi f fic ult to comp rehe nd
when i t is t h eir bus i ness.
~~~
Jo hnn y55 5
_W o w,  t hech a rit a bl e i m pul ses here  a re  over whel m i n g . Yo u ' ll p ay hi m more, as
lo ngas i t  do esn't  lift  him  o ut of  pover ty. W ow . Wow._

If a s alar y increas e m ak eshi m ine l igible  fo r t he serv ices th a t h e' s u si ng to
stay in theci t y ,the high er sal a ry  c o uld be a neff ecti v e  cutin p a y. 

Whileit's p o ss ib le to p ay  him a  l arg e e nough sala ry tomake upfor t h ose
services,i t's likely mo r et h an thebus iness can a ffor d .

~ ~~
s a mp o
N o t ver y cap it a li s t to run a business  t hat is  depe ndent on theemployeesb e i ng
ableto l i ve in assisted ho using .

~~~
Joh n ny555
Sa n Fra ncisco i s not a g o o d modelfor  ca pit ali s m .The housing m a r ketin 
partic ula r is hi ghl y s kew edno t just be cause of  p ol it ic s,but a l so geogr ap hy. 
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c h inathr ow
"W e, a mo ng oth ers, tr i ed t o be  i nn ovat ive .We tr iedt o g o the ‘ service c har g e
in cl us ive’ ro ute, automati ca lly includ in g 2 0% ine v ery chec k."

I wouldn't call th a t innov ati ve. I nnov ative wou ldbe pay ing a fixe d sala ray
w hi cha l lowsy o ur  st af f to livei n  SF  with ou t re lying o n tips.

Others ha v e d one it in the  US  too . In  lo t so f c ou n tri e s  the world over ,
tippingis aplus, nota  re qu irement .

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n o-tip s. html)

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lsc
eh, I think t he rea l pro ble m is that  we ' rebuilding/ conv erting spa ceint o
off ice space  ata  m uch faste r ra t e than we ' re  bu i l di ng/converti n g spa ce in tor esiden tial .

I personally t h ink that to ge t zo n i ng
 random_lottery.

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jellicle
> figuring_out how to pay_him more_without_having him_lose_access to different
>_low-income programs for_which he currently qualifies

Wow,_the charitable impulses_here_are overwhelming. You'll pay him more, as
long as it doesn't lift him out of_poverty._Wow. Wow.

If_you_want_more staff, pay staff more._This easy equation has been_understood
for thousands_of years but business owners find it difficult_to_comprehend
when it is_their business.

~~~
Johnny555
_Wow, the charitable impulses here are overwhelming. You_'ll pay him more, as
long as_it doesn't lift_him_out_of poverty. Wow. Wow._

If_a salary increase makes him ineligible_for the services that he's using_to
stay in the city, the higher salary_could be an effective cut in_pay.

While it's possible to pay_him a_large enough salary to make_up for those
services,_it's likely_more than the_business can afford.

~~~
sampo
Not very capitalist to_run a business_that is dependent on the employees_being
able_to live in_assisted_housing.

~~~
Johnny555
San_Francisco is_not a good_model_for capitalism._The_housing market in
particular is highly skewed_not_just because of politics, but also geography.

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chinathrow
"We,_among others, tried to_be_innovative. We tried to_go the ‘service charge
inclusive’ route,_automatically including 20% in every check."

I_wouldn't call_that innovative._Innovative would be paying a fixed salaray
which allows your staff to_live in SF without relying on_tips.

Others have done it_in the_US_too. In lots_of_countries the_world over,
tipping is a plus, not a_requirement.

[https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/dining/danny-meyer-
restau...](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/dining/danny-meyer-restaurants-
no-tips.html)

------
lsc
eh, I_think the real problem is that_we're building/converting space into
office_space_at a much faster rate than_we're building/converting space into
residential.

I personally think_that to get zoning