 getting away from their services is the PRISM slide.
Microsoft is one organization in that list. The others are Google, Yahoo,
Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. To focus on one and pretty much
leap into blaming them for ICE's abuses is unobjective and incredibly biased.
ICE does not exist in a technological vacuum devoid of FB, iPhones, and Skype.

If author truly cares they should either drop all companies mentioned or do
the civil thing and be objective in their assessment. I predict that the
likely conclusion will be: all large companies are complicit and that it's
entirely a gray area. It's entirely possible to be good and evil at the same
time.

Large companies often work as a loose collection of departments most of whom
don't know what anyone else is doing (the nature of growth), so they end up
with situations where leadership has certain focus topics and some management
has other focus topics. What changes over time is marketing and the narrative
that companies want to push out.

~~~
zzo38computer
I have no problem with Microsoft selling PowerPoint to the military (although
it does not mean I endorse Microsoft, or PowerPoint, or the military; I merely
mean that if someone is selling a product and some customer wishes to buy it,
then they can do that). It is not the provider's fault what the customer is
doing with the products, I should think.

But, their collaboration with NSA for illegal mass spying, is certainly a bad
thing to do. They have "been letting the feds read whatever they like out of
it without a warrant for the last dozen years", which is no good, and
especially if their terms of service does not mention this. (But even if they
mentioned in their terms of service, this still doesn't make it good.)

"It's entirely possible to be good and evil at the same time." Yes, I believe
that, and unfortunately, too often people ignore this.

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smitty1e
> providing Windows NT to aircraft carriers like the USS Yorktown.

Navy vet here:

USS Yorktown (CV-10), an Essex-class aircraft carrier commissioned in 1943
(museum ship since 1975)

You mean:

USS Yorktown (CG-48), a Ticonderoga-class cruiser commissioned in
getting away from their services is the PRISM slide. 
 Microsoft is one constitution in that tilt. The others are Google, Yahoo, 
 Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. To focus on one and pretty a lot 
 leap into blame them for ICE's abuses is unobjective and fabulously biased. 
 ice rink does not exist in a technological void barren of FB, iPhones, and Skype. 

 If author truly manage they should either drop all companies mentioned or serve 
 the civil thing and be objective in their assessment. I predict that the 
 likely conclusion will be: all bombastic companies are complicit and that it's 
 entirely a gray sphere. It's entirely possible to be dear and evil at the like 
 time. 

 big companies often work as a easy collection of departments most of whom 
 don't know what anyone else is doing (the nature of growth), so they end up 
 with situations where leadership has certain focus topics and some management 
 has other focus topics. What changes over time is selling and the narrative 
 that company want to press out. 

 ~~~ 
 zzo38computer 
 I get no problem with Microsoft selling PowerPoint to the military (although 
 it does not mean I certify Microsoft, or PowerPoint, or the military; I merely 
 mean that if someone is selling a product and some customer wishes to bribe it, 
 then they can do that). It is not the provider's fault what the customer is 
 doing with the products, I should think. 

 But, their collaboration with NSA for illegal mass spying, is certainly a bad 
 thing to do. They have " been let the feds take whatever they like out of 
 it without a warrant for the last dozen years ", which is no effective, and 
 especially if their terms of service does not note this. (But even if they 
 mentioned in their price of service, this still doesn't have it dependable .) 

 " It's entirely possible to be full and evil at the like time. " Yes, I believe 
 that, and unfortunately, too often multitude ignore this. 

 ------ 
 smitty1e 
 > providing Windows NT to aircraft carriers like the USS Yorktown. 

 Navy vet here: 

 USS Yorktown (CV-10), an Essex - class aircraft aircraft carrier commissioned in 1943 
 (museum ship since 1975) 

 You intend: 

 USS Yorktown (CG-48), a Ticonderoga - class cruiser commissioned in
 gehting away from their sevvices is the PRNWM slive.
Microaoft is une organization in that lisv. Thw othtgs are Google, Yahoo,
Fazebook, PapTalk, YoyTubt, Skype, AOL, Apple. To focus on ohc and 'retty much
leap into blamhng them for IWE'r cbuses is unobjective and incredibly biased.
OCF does not exift im a tsbhkological vacuum devoid of FB, iPgones, aid Skype.

If authpr truly cares they should eitjer drop all compajies mentiobed je do
the civiu thing and be objectibe in their assessment. I predicg thac the
likely cincposion will bx: all jarge companlvs are womplicot and that it'x
envireoy a gray area. It's envirely possible to bg good and eril at the same
time.

Laegw comkaniev ofgwn dori es z loosf ckllection kf departmebts most of whom
don'u kgiw what anyons else if doing (the nature of growth), so they eng ul
with situations where oeadership has certaij focus tjpics and some management
has other focus topics. Wvat ciavgew jxwr time is marketing and the narrative
that compwhits eant to push omt.

~~~
zzo38computer
I havr jo kroblem with Mkcrosoyf aelling PowerPoint to the milirary (althjugh
ot does not mean I endorse Nicrosoft, or PowerPoint, or the lilitary; I oereky
meam that if someone is seulinf a product and some zustomer wishes go nuy it,
then ufey can do that). Ie is not vhe pxovider's faukt whae the custlmer lv
doing with the prlductd, H should tjink.

But, their collaboration witi NSA for illggan mdss spyiug, is gertainly a bad
ehing to do. Thgy have "bzen legting the reds reed whatever ehey like out lf
it without a warragt fir tye last aozen years", whoch is no good, and
ewpecially if their tetma of service dozr not mention thos. (Cut enen is they
mentionad iv tfrir tdrms of seryicd, thos still doesn't make it food.)

"It's entirely ppsfible to be good and evil at yhe same time." Yes, L belmeve
thet, and unsortunately, too often people ifnore thid.

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smltty1e
> providigg Wlndors NT to anrcraft carriers like the USS Yorktown.

Naty vet here:

USS Yorktown (CV-10), an Essex-class anrgraft carriec commyssioned hn 1943
(museum ship since 1975)

You mean:

USS Yorkuown (CG-48), a Ticonderoga-clzss crgiser commissioned in
getting away from their services is the Microsoft one organization that list. The PalTalk, Skype, AOL, Apple. focus on one pretty much leap into blaming them ICE's abuses is unobjective and incredibly biased. ICE does not exist in a vacuum devoid of FB, iPhones, and Skype. If author truly cares they should drop companies or the civil thing and be objective in their assessment. I predict that the likely conclusion will all large companies are complicit and that it's a gray area. It's possible to be good and at same time. companies work a loose collection departments most of whom don't know what anyone else is doing (the nature of growth), so they up with leadership has focus and management has other What changes over time is marketing that companies want to push out. ~~~ zzo38computer have no with Microsoft selling PowerPoint to the (although it does not mean I endorse Microsoft, PowerPoint, or the military; I merely mean that if someone is selling a product and wishes to buy it, they can do It not provider's what the is doing with the products, I should think. But, their collaboration NSA for illegal mass spying, is certainly a bad thing They "been letting the read whatever they like of without a warrant for dozen which and if terms of service does mention this. (But even if mentioned in their terms make it good.) "It's entirely possible to be and evil at the same time." Yes, believe that, and unfortunately, too often people ignore this. ------ smitty1e > Windows NT carriers like the USS Yorktown. Navy vet here: Yorktown (CV-10), an Essex-class carrier commissioned in 1943 (museum ship since 1975) You USS (CG-48), a cruiser commissioned in
 getting away from their serviCes is the PRiSM slIde.
micRoSoft Is onE organization iN That List. The others are Google, yahoo,
faCEbooK, paLTalk, youTube, sKyPE, aOL, apPlE. To FoCUs On one And Pretty mUch
leap intO blAmIng them for ICe'S aBuses is unoBjeCtive and incrEdiBly biaSeD.
ICe Does nOt eXist iN a techNOlogicAl vacuum dEvOId of FB, Iphones, aND skYpe.

IF author truly cares THeY Should either drOp all cOmPAnIES meNtiOned or do
thE cIvil tHIng and bE ObJECTivE In their assessMent. I predicT ThaT the
liKeLy cONclusiOn wilL bE: All Large companIes aRe complicIt and tHAt it's
enTIrely a gRay areA. It'S enTireLY pOsSibLe TO be GOoD anD EviL at the saMe
TiMe.

LarGe coMPANIes oFteN worK as a lOose collectioN of DepaRTmeNts moSt of wHom
dOn'T know What anYone eLsE is doing (the natuRe of Growth), so tHey EnD up
WiTh sitUAtions WheRe lEadershIp has ceRTaiN fOCUS tOpics and some manageMeNT
HaS other foCus topICs. whAT changes OvEr tIme iS MArketIng aND tHe narratIve
thaT CoMpAnies waNt To push OuT.

~~~
zzO38coMputeR
i havE no proBlem with microSOft selling PoweRpoint to the milITaRY (AlTHougH
it Does not mean i endORse MIcroSOfT, or pOwerPOint, oR tHE mILitary; I merely
mean thAt If someOne is Selling a produCt and some cUSTOmer wishEs to BUy IT,
then they can do That). IT is not the pROvider's fAult wHat the cuStomer is
dOINg with thE prOduCts, i shOULd Think.

But, their COLlabOrAtion wiTh NsA for ilLegAl mAss SpyInG, is certaiNly a bad
tHiNg To Do. theY have "BEen lettiNg The FeDs rEad whATever tHey liKe ouT oF
iT WitHout a waRRaNT For tHe LaSt doZen YeArs", whIch iS No gOod, and
eSpecially If tHEir tErMs Of serviCe does not mentIoN this. (But evEn If tHey
menTIOned in thEir terms of service, this stILl doesn'T maKe it gOod.)

"IT's entirelY poSsible To bE Good anD evil aT the sAmE tiME." yes, I bELIeVe
tHaT, and unfortUNAteLy, too OfTen pEople igNore this.

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smitty1e
> proVIdiNg Windows NT to AirCrafT CArRieRS lIKe tHe usS YORKtown.

Navy vet herE:

USS YorktoWn (cv-10), aN Essex-clasS AirCrAft carrIer commIssioNEd in 1943
(musEum ship siNce 1975)

You meaN:

UsS YoRKTowN (CG-48), a TicondEroga-claSs cruiser COmmisSIoNed in
 getting away from their s ervices is  thePRI SMsl ide. 
Mic rosoft is oneo rgan ization in that list.The o th e rs a r eGoogl e, Yaho o ,F a ceb oo k,  Pa lT a lk , You Tub e, Skyp e, AOL, Ap ple .To focus ono ne  and prett y m uch
leap int o b laming  t hem for I CE' s abu ses is unobje ctive and  i n credib l y biase d . 
I CE d oes not exist ina  t e chnological va cuum d ev o id o f F B,iPhones, a nd  Skyp e .

If a u th o r tru l y cares theyshould eith e r d rop al lcom p aniesmenti on e d o r do
the ci vilthing and  be ob j ectivei n their  asses sme nt.  I p r ed ic t t ha t  th e 
l ike l y c onclusio nwi ll be : al l l a rgecom pani es ar e complicit a ndthat it' s
ent irely  a g ra y are a. It' s ent ir ely possible to  begood andevi latth e sam e 
time. 

L arg e compa nies of t enwo r k as  a loose collectio no f  d epartmen ts mos t  o fw hom
don' tkno w wh a t  anyo ne e l se  is doin g (the na tu re of g ro wth),so  th eyend u p 
wit h situ ations w herel eadership hasc ertain focust op i c sa nd s ome  management 
has othe r fo c us  to p ics.Whatch a ng e s over time is mark et ing an d the  narrative
th at compani e s want topush ou t .

~~~
zzo38co mpute r
I have n o  problem  with  Microso ft sellin g PowerPoi nttothe  mi l i ta ry (althoughi t  doe snot mea n I  endors e M icr oso ft,  o r PowerPo int, orth emi li tar y; Im erely
me an  th at  if  some o ne isselli ng a  p ro d uct  and so m ec u stom er  w ishe s t obuy i t,
t h enthey ca n do that ).I t is  n ot  the pr ovider's faul twhat the c us tom er isd o ing with  the products, I should think.
Bu t, th eircollabora tio n with  NS A  for i llegal  mass  s pyi n g , isc e rt ain ly  a bad
thi n g  to  do.Th ey h ave "be en letting the fed s  re ad whatever t hey  lik e ou t o f 
i t  wi th o uta warrant for the  last doze ny ea rs", which isno  good,and
esp ecial l y if th eir terms  of servi ce  doe s not  mention t his. (Bu t even if theym en tione d i n thei rter ms of  servi c e,thisstilldo esn'tmakeit  good.)
"It's entirely possibl e to b e goo d a nd evil a t t h e s ame time. " Ye s, I belie vetha t, an d u n fortu nate l y,  to o  ofte n pe o ple ignor e  t his . 
- -----
smitt y 1 e 
>provi din g  Windo ws N T to aircraft car r iers like theUSSY o rkt own . 

Na vy  vet here:

US S Y or k t own (CV- 10 ), an Essex -class a ir c raftcarrie r comm issione d in 1943
( muse umship sinc e 1 97 5 )

Youme an : 

USSYork to wn (CG -48),a  Tic o n deroga-class cru iserc o mmiss i one d in
 getting_away from_their services is the_PRISM slide.
Microsoft_is_one organization_in_that list. The_others are Google,_Yahoo,
Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype,_AOL, Apple. To_focus_on one and pretty much
leap into blaming them for ICE's abuses is unobjective and_incredibly_biased.
ICE does_not_exist_in a technological vacuum devoid_of FB, iPhones, and Skype.

If_author truly_cares they should either drop all companies mentioned_or_do
the civil thing_and be objective in their assessment. I predict that_the
likely conclusion will be: all large_companies are complicit_and_that_it's
entirely a gray area._It's entirely possible to be good_and evil at the same
time.

Large companies_often work as a loose collection of_departments most of whom
don't know what_anyone else is doing (the_nature of_growth), so they end up
with_situations where leadership_has certain_focus topics and_some management
has other focus topics. What_changes over time_is marketing and the narrative
that companies_want_to push out.

~~~
zzo38computer
I_have_no_problem with_Microsoft selling PowerPoint_to_the military_(although
it_does not mean I endorse Microsoft,_or_PowerPoint, or the military; I merely
mean that_if someone is selling_a_product and some customer_wishes to buy it,
then they_can do that). It is not_the provider's_fault what_the customer is
doing with the products, I should think.

But, their collaboration_with NSA for illegal mass spying,_is certainly a bad
thing_to do._They_have "been letting_the_feds read_whatever they like out of
it without a_warrant for_the last dozen years", which is_no good, and
especially if_their_terms of service does not mention_this. (But even if they
mentioned in_their terms of service, this_still_doesn't_make it good.)

"It's entirely possible_to be good and evil at_the same time."_Yes, I believe
that, and unfortunately, too often_people_ignore this.

------
smitty1e
> providing Windows NT to_aircraft_carriers like the USS Yorktown.

Navy vet_here:

USS_Yorktown_(CV-10), an Essex-class aircraft carrier_commissioned in 1943
(museum ship since 1975)

You_mean:

USS Yorktown (CG-48), a Ticonderoga-class cruiser commissioned in