 terror, particularly of the US ICE people, who are
unnecessarily militarized at the best of times. But why the puerile jab at the
officer's "educational attainment"? Needed to feel big? Story wasn't "punchy"
enough?

~~~
seldo
Partly because I think it's a relevant detail -- I think he genuinely didn't
understand that a web developer is a type of software developer. But partly
because they scared the shit out of me, and the system is stupid and
unnecessarily hostile, so, yes, I'm angry at them.

~~~
jfb
It's not only insulting and juvenile, it's irrelevant. I've met PhDs from the
LSE who wouldn't know the difference between email and snail mail, but that's
not material to a) how good they were at their jobs or b) whether or not they
were good people.

The system _is_ stupid, and hostile, and (in my opinion) totally self-
defeating. And people -- normal, decent people -- will act like petty little
tyrants in that sort of system. Isn't _that_ sufficient to call them out? An
asshole is an asshole, regardless of their eduction, no?

 _EDIT_ : Too, it may very well be material that you gave a different answer.
There's only one word different between "landscape architect" and "naval
architect", and those are significantly and materially different positions.
How is J. Random Tyrant supposed to know that a is a member of the set b for
all given a?

 _EDIT the second_ : Man, I was in love with the word "material", eh?

~~~
seldo
You're not wrong. On further consideration, I've edited the post to reflect
that it was a rude and unnecessary observation.

------
photorized
As someone who went though lengthy (10+ years) immigration process, from
student visa to work visa to Green Card to Citizenship, with extensive travel
in between - there is nothing particularly unreasonable about the experience
described. OK, so he was delayed for a few hours, due to some error or
inconsistency in the USCIS database... There's no reason to freak out.

And the condescending remarks about the officer not knowing the difference
between "web developer"
terror, particularly of the US ICE people, who are 
 unnecessarily militarized at the good of prison term. But why the puerile jab at the 
 officer's " educational skill "? Needed to feel big? fib wasn't " punchy " 
 enough? 

 ~~~ 
 seldo 
 Partly because I remember it's a relevant detail -- I think he authentically didn't 
 understand that a web developer is a character of software developer. But partly 
 because they scared the shit out of me, and the system is stupid and 
 unnecessarily hostile, so, yes, I'm angry at them. 

 ~~~ 
 jfb 
 It's not only contemptuous and juvenile, it's irrelevant. I've met PhDs from the 
 LSE who wouldn't know the dispute between email and snail chain mail, but that's 
 not material to a) how dependable they were at their jobs or bel) whether or not they 
 were good people. 

 The system _ is _ dazed, and hostile, and (in my opinion) totally self- 
 defeating. And people -- normal, decent people -- will act like petty little 
 tyrants in that sort of system. Isn't _ that _ sufficient to call them out? An 
 asshole is an asshole, regardless of their eduction, no? 

  _ EDIT _: Too, it may very well be fabric that you give a different solution. 
 There's merely one parole different between " landscape architect " and " naval 
 architect ", and those are significantly and materially different positions. 
 How is J. Random Tyrant supposed to know that a is a member of the set barn for 
 all given a? 

  _ EDIT the second _: Man, I was in love with the word " material ", eh? 

 ~~~ 
 seldo 
 You're not amiss. On further consideration, I've edited the post to reflect 
 that it was a rude and unnecessary observation. 

 ------ 
 photorized 
 As someone who run low though lengthy (10 + years) immigration process, from 
 student visa to work visa to Green Card to Citizenship, with across-the-board travel 
 in between - there is nothing particularly unreasonable about the experience 
 described. OK, so he was delayed for a few hours, due to some error or 
 incompatibility in the USCIS database... There's no reason to freak out. 

 And the condescending remarks about the officer not know the difference 
 between " vane developer "
 tegror, particularly of the US ICE people, cyo are
nnnecesaarily mklitarized at the best of tilew. But why the puerile jab ag the
offiber's "educqtioial attainment"? Nxsded to feel glg? Stmcy wasn't "punchy"
gnough?

~~~
seldo
Pdrtly because H ghnnk it's a relevant detail -- I think hq genuimepy didn't
undersjand uhae a svb developer is a type of softwzre devtloper. But partly
brcause they scared the shih ouh of me, and the sydtem is stukjd wbd
unnecessarkly hostilt, vo, yes, I'm zngry at them.

~~~
jfb
It's not only inrultiug and juvebioe, lj's irrelevanv. I've iet PhDs from the
LSE who woildn't know the dihferwnce between email anv snail mail, but thaj's
not matesicl to a) how good they wwre aj thehr juvs ur g) xhefher og nkt they
wers good peopoe.

The system _is_ stukid, qnd hostile, ahd (in iy opinion) totally self-
defeating. And peopne -- normal, decent people -- qill act like petty llttle
tyragts in that sort of system. Isn't _that_ sufficient tm calm thtm out? Xb
adshole is an asshole, regardless of their educejom, ko?

 _EDIT_ : Too, it iay very wekl br material thaj you gcbe a different answeg.
There's only one word difgerent between "landscape arxhitect" and "uavql
architect", and thlse are siguificamtly snd materially differenc posifions.
How is J. Random Gyrant supposed go lnmw that a is a member of tre set b hor
alk given a?

 _ECIT thq second_ : Lan, I was in love with tje wotd "matarial", eh?

~~~
sepdo
You're not wrong. On further consideration, I'fe edpted the 'ost tp reflect
that it was a rude and unuecessxry observztion.

------
phmtorized
As fomeone who wajt though leigthy (10+ yewrs) ummitration orocess, from
stident visc to qork visa to Green Catd to Citizenship, wiuh extensive trafel
kn fenwexn - trare is nothitg pxrtkvularuy unreasoncbue anout the experience
dascrjbed. OK, so he was cejayed fot a few hjurs, due to spme error or
inconslstenry in vhe USVIS database... There's no reason to rreak out.

Wnd the condescqndikg rgmarks abouc the officer not knowing the difference
uetween "web developer"
terror, particularly of the US ICE people, unnecessarily at the of times. But the "educational attainment"? Needed feel big? Story "punchy" enough? ~~~ seldo Partly because think it's a relevant detail -- I think he genuinely didn't understand that web developer is a type of software developer. But partly because they scared shit of and system is stupid and unnecessarily hostile, so, yes, I'm angry at them. ~~~ jfb It's not insulting and juvenile, it's irrelevant. I've met PhDs the LSE who wouldn't the difference between email and mail, that's not to how they were at jobs or b) whether or not they were good people. The system _is_ stupid, and hostile, and my opinion) defeating. And -- decent -- will act little tyrants in that sort of sufficient to call them out? An asshole is asshole, regardless their eduction, no? _EDIT_ : Too, may very well be material that you gave different answer. There's only one word different between "landscape architect" and "naval architect", and those and materially different positions. is J. Random supposed know a a member the set b for all given a? _EDIT the second_ : I was in love with the word "material", eh? ~~~ not On further consideration, edited the post to that was a rude and ------ As though (10+ immigration process, from student to work visa to Green to Citizenship, with extensive is nothing particularly unreasonable about the experience described. so he was delayed for a few due to some error or inconsistency in the USCIS database... There's no to freak the condescending remarks about the officer not knowing difference between "web developer"
 terror, particularly of the US iCE people, wHo are
UnnEceSsArilY milItarized at the bESt of Times. But why the puerile jAb at tHe
OFficER's "EducaTional aTTaINMenT"? NEeDed To FEeL big? STorY wasn't "pUnchy"
enougH?

~~~
seLdO
Partly becauSE I Think it's a rEleVant detail -- I tHinK he genUiNelY Didn't
UndErstaNd that A Web devEloper is a TyPE of sofTWare devELOpEr. BuT partly
because theY ScARed the shit out oF me, and ThE SySTEm iS stUpid and
unnEcEssarILy hostiLE, sO, YES, I'm ANgry at them.

~~~
jfb
it's not only iNSulTing anD jUveNIle, it's IrrelEvANt. I'Ve met PhDs frOm thE
LSE who woUldn't kNOw the diFFerence BetweeN emAil And sNAiL mAil, BuT ThaT'S
nOt mATerIal to a) hoW gOoD they Were AT THEir jObs Or b) wHetheR or not they
werE goOd peOPle.

the syStem _iS_ stuPiD, and hOstile, And (in My Opinion) totally sElf-
dEfeating. ANd pEoPle -- NoRmal, dECent peOplE -- wiLl act liKe petty LIttLe
TYRAnTs in that sort of systEm. iSN't _That_ suffIcient TO cAlL Them out? AN
aSshOle iS AN asshOle, rEGaRdless of Their eDUcTiOn, no?

 _EDIt_ : TOo, it maY vEry WelL be maTEriaL that yOu gave a dIfferENt answer.
There's ONly one word difFErENT bETweeN "laNdscape archItecT" And "nAval
ARcHitECt", and Those ArE SiGNificantly and materiAlLy diffErent Positions.
How iS J. Random TyRANT supposeD to kNOw THat a is a member oF the sEt b for
all gIVen a?

 _EDIT The seCond_ : Man, I Was in love WITh the worD "maTerIal", Eh?

~~~
sELDo
you're not wrong. oN FurtHeR considEraTion, I've EdiTed The PosT tO reflect
tHat it was A rUdE aNd UnnEcessARy observAtIon.

------
PhOtoRized
aS someoNe who Went ThOuGH leNgthy (10+ yeARs) IMMigrAtIoN proCesS, fRom
stUdenT VisA to work Visa to GreEn CARd to ciTiZenship, With extensive TrAvel
in betwEeN - thEre is nOTHing partIcularly unreasonable aboUT the expEriEnce
dEscrIbed. OK, so hE waS delayEd fOR a few hOurs, duE to soMe ErrOR Or
incONSiSteNcY in the USCIs DAtaBase... THeRe's nO reason To freak out.

And the coNDesCending remarkS abOut tHE OfFicER nOT knOwINg tHE Difference
betweEn "web develOpER"
 terror, particularly of t he US ICEpeopl e,who  a re
u nnec essarily milit a rize d at the best of times . But  w h y th e  p ueril e jab a t  t h e 
of fi ce r's  " e du catio nal  attain ment"? Nee ded  t o feel big?S to ry wasn't"pu nchy"
enough ?
~~~
se ld o
P a rtlybec auseI thin k  it'sa relevan td etail- - I thi n k  h e ge nuinely didn't
un d er s tand that a we b deve lo p er i s a  ty pe of soft wa re de v eloper. Bu t p art l y
because the y scared th e  sh it out  o f m e , andthe s ys t emis stupid a nd
u nnecessar ily ho s tile, s o , yes,I'm an gry  at  the m .
~ ~~jf b 
It ' snot onl y insult in gand j uven i l e ,  it' s i rrel evant . I've met Ph Dsfrom the 
LSEwho w ould n' t kno w thediffe re nce between ema il a nd snailmai l,  bu tthat' s 
not m ate ria l to a)  how go o d t he y w er e at their jobs or  b ) wh ether or  not t h ey 
w e re goodpe opl e.
T h e sys tem_ is _ stupid , andh os ti le, and  ( in myop ini on)  tota l ly s elf-
d efeating . And people -- norm a l, decent peo p le - -w illact  like petty  lit t le
t yran t sint hat s ort o fs ys t em. Isn't _that_ su ff icient  to c all them out?  An
asshol e i s an ass hole ,  r e gardless of th eir e duction, n o ?

 _EDI T_ :Too, itmay veryw e ll be ma ter ial  th aty o ugave a differ e n t an sw er.
The re' s onlyone  wo rddif fe rent betw een "lan ds ca pe  a rch itect "  and "na va l
a rc hit ect", and th ose a re s ig ni f ica ntly an d  m a t eria ll ydiff ere nt  posi tion s .
H ow is J . RandomTyr a nt s up po sed toknow that a i sa member o fthe  set b f or
all g iven a?

 _EDIT the sec o nd_ : M an,  I wa s in  love wit h t he wor d " m ateria l", eh ?

~~ ~sel d o 
You' r e  n otwr ong. On fu r t her  cons id erat ion, I' ve edited the post toreflect
thatitwasa ru dea nd unn ec e ssa r y  observation.
------
pho to r iz ed
As some o newh o wentthoughlengt h y (10+years) im migration  p roce s s , f rom
studen t visa t o work vi s a toG re en Ca rdto Cit iz ens hip,with e x ten sivetravel 
i n betw een -  t here isnothing particularly un reason ableabo ut the ex per i enc e
describ ed.OK, so hewas  de layed  fo r  a fe w ho u rs , d u e tosome error ori nc ons i s te ncy in theU S C ISdatab ase . .. The re's  no reason to fre a k out.

And th e co n d esc end i ng r em arks about the  of fi c e r not kn ow ing the dif ferencebe t ween"web d evelop er"
 terror,_particularly of_the US ICE people,_who are
unnecessarily_militarized_at the_best_of times. But_why the puerile_jab at the
officer's "educational_attainment"? Needed to_feel_big? Story wasn't "punchy"
enough?

~~~
seldo
Partly because I think it's a relevant detail -- I think_he_genuinely didn't
understand_that_a_web developer is a type_of software developer. But partly
because_they scared_the shit out of me, and the system_is_stupid and
unnecessarily hostile,_so, yes, I'm angry at them.

~~~
jfb
It's not only insulting_and juvenile, it's irrelevant. I've met_PhDs from the
LSE_who_wouldn't_know the difference between_email and snail mail, but that's
not_material to a) how good they_were at their jobs or b) whether_or not they
were good people.

The system__is_ stupid, and hostile, and_(in my_opinion) totally self-
defeating. And people_-- normal, decent_people --_will act like_petty little
tyrants in that sort of_system. Isn't _that__sufficient to call them out? An
asshole_is_an asshole, regardless_of_their_eduction, no?

__EDIT_ : Too,_it_may very_well_be material that you gave a_different_answer.
There's only one word different between "landscape_architect" and "naval
architect", and_those_are significantly and materially_different positions.
How is J. Random_Tyrant supposed to know that a_is a_member of_the set b for
all given a?

 _EDIT the second_ : Man,_I was in love with the_word "material", eh?

~~~
seldo
You're not_wrong. On_further_consideration, I've edited_the_post to_reflect
that it was a rude and unnecessary_observation.

------
photorized
As someone_who went though lengthy (10+ years)_immigration process, from
student visa_to_work visa to Green Card to_Citizenship, with extensive travel
in between -_there is nothing particularly unreasonable_about_the_experience
described. OK, so he was_delayed for a few hours, due_to some error_or
inconsistency in the USCIS database... There's no_reason_to freak out.

And the condescending remarks_about_the officer not knowing the difference
between_"web_developer"