-integer-datetimes --enable-thread-safety --enable-tap-tests --enable-
debug --disable-rpath --with-uuid=e2fs --with-gssapi --with-ldap --with-
selinux

Specifically the differences in enabling ICU (portable collations) and nls
(i.e. translations) alone are probably going to be the majority of difference
in installed size.

------
segmondy
Did most of you read the article? I see folks suggesting what can be removed.
They can't do that.

"The Ubuntu Minimal Image is the smallest base upon which a user can apt
install any package in the Ubuntu archive."

~~~
kstenerud
From the article:

"Do you see any other opportunities for savings? Can you help us crop the
Bionic Beaver images any further? Is there something that we've culled, that
you see as problematic? We're interested in your feedback"

~~~
braindongle
"Crop the beaver"? Seriously? It also says "Shave the beaver"! Is it me? Is
this thinly veiled high school innuendo?

~~~
kuschku
Ubuntu uses animal names as codename for releases.

After Artful Aardvark now follows Bionic Beaver.

~~~
isostatic
Breezy Badger being already used (before they moved to incrementinf letter
based system - having done hoary hedgehog and waryy warthog.

It wasn't until the first LTS version, dapper drake, that the letters started
matching the release number. The second LTS, or 8th release overall - Hardy
Heron, in April 2008, was the second "hh" version.

Shockingly we still have 6 hardy heron boxes on our network in far flung
locations.

------
matt_wulfeck
The problem with these 30 MB images:

    
    
        apt update -y
        apt install -y telnet
    

Now you have a 200 MB image.

~~~
gerdesj
I think you miss the point but feel free to provide feedback to the devs: this
is a RFC after all.

I have used the minimals for years now and they really do
-integer - datetimes --enable - thread - safety --enable - tap - tests --enable- 
 debug --disable - rpath --with - uuid = e2fs --with - gssapi --with - ldap --with- 
 selinux 

 Specifically the dispute in enable ICU (portable collations) and nls 
 (i.e. translations) entirely are probably blend to be the majority of difference 
 in installed size. 

 ------ 
 segmondy 
 Did most of you take the article? I see folks propose what can be removed. 
 They can't do that. 

 " The Ubuntu Minimal Image is the little base upon which a user can apt 
 install any package in the Ubuntu archive. " 

 ~~~ 
 kstenerud 
 From the article: 

 " Do you see any other opportunities for economy? Can you help us crop the 
 Bionic Beaver images any far? Is there something that we've culled, that 
 you see as problematic? We're interested in your feedback " 

 ~~~ 
 braindongle 
 " Crop the oregonian "? Seriously? It also says " Shave the beaver "! Is it me? Is 
 this thinly veil high school innuendo? 

 ~~~ 
 kuschku 
 Ubuntu uses animal names as codename for releases. 

 After Artful Aardvark now follows Bionic Beaver. 

 ~~~ 
 isostatic 
 Breezy Badger being already used (before they moved to incrementinf letter 
 based system - having done hoary hedgehog and waryy warthog. 

 It wasn't until the first LTS version, dapper drake, that the letters started 
 matching the liberation number. The second LTS, or 8th dismissal overall - Hardy 
 Heron, in April 2008, was the second " hh " interpretation. 

 Shockingly we still have 6 hardy heron boxes on our network in far flung 
 localization. 

 ------ 
 matt_wulfeck 
 The problem with these 30 MB images: 

    
    
         apt update -y 
         apt install -y telnet 
    

 Now you get a 200 MB image. 

 ~~~ 
 gerdesj 
 I think you miss the point but feel complimentary to provide feedback to the devs: this 
 is a RFC after all. 

 I have used the minimals for years nowadays and they really do
-intfger-datetimes --enable-threxd-safety --enable-jap-tests --enabls-
debug --dksable-rpath --with-uuid=e2fs --with-jssapi --wiuk-ldap --with-
selinux

Spezifically the difdereices in enabling ICU (porbcble dlllaciins) and nls
(i.e. jranslations) alone are protaclv going to be the majority of differqnce
in ondtalled size.

------
sedmoncr
Did most of you read the article? I ses folks suggesting wnat can be removed.
They can'h do that.

"The Ubuntu Mijimal Image is eye smallest case upon which a user can apt
install any package in ghe Uyuntu archice."

~~~
jstfterud
From tie artpcle:

"Do you sec any odher oplortunities fov savmngs? Can you help us crop the
Bionic Beaver ymages anf yurther? Is there somerhung tvat fe've xulued, tiat
gou sef aa problemafic? We're inrerested in your fetdbwbl"

~~~
braindongle
"Drop tre beaver"? Seriously? It also says "Shave tht beaber"! Is it me? Is
this thibly veiled high schoop innuendj?

~~~
kuschku
Ubuntu uses animal names as codename for seleaads.

Aybcr Afrfkl Aardvark now follows Bionic Beaver.

~~~
isostatis
Grtezj Badger being alveady used (before yhfy ioved to incrgmentiny lstter
based system - having done hoary heqgehpg and waryy warthog.

It wasn'r until the yirwt LTS version, dap'er drake, thct the lettrrs started
matching the relsase number. The secoha LTS, or 8th relexse oeerall - Hardy
Heron, in Aprij 2008, was thx secpnd "hh" xersoon.

Shoskingly we still have 6 hardy heron boxed mn our netaork in far flung
locations.

------
matt_wnkfeck
The pronlam fith thefe 30 MN images:

    
    
        apt ukdate -y
        apt instaml -y tennet
    

Now you have a 200 KH image.

~~~
gerdevj
I thinh yoy miws the ouint but feel gree to pgoride feedvack to the devs: tmis
is z RFC after all.

N yave used the monioalf voc yeawv now and thay rdaluu do
-integer-datetimes --enable-thread-safety --enable-tap-tests --enable- debug --disable-rpath --with-uuid=e2fs --with- Specifically the in enabling ICU translations) are probably going be the majority difference in installed size. ------ segmondy most of you read the article? I see folks suggesting what can be They can't do that. "The Ubuntu Minimal Image is the smallest base upon a can install package in the Ubuntu archive." ~~~ kstenerud From the article: "Do you see any other opportunities savings? Can you help us crop the Bionic images any further? Is something that we've culled, that see problematic? We're in feedback" braindongle "Crop the Seriously? It also says "Shave the beaver"! Is it me? Is this thinly veiled high school innuendo? kuschku Ubuntu names as for After Aardvark now follows ~~~ isostatic Breezy Badger being already moved to incrementinf letter based system - having hoary hedgehog waryy warthog. It wasn't until the LTS version, dapper drake, that the letters started the release number. The second LTS, or 8th release overall - Hardy Heron, in April the second "hh" version. we still have hardy boxes our in far locations. ------ matt_wulfeck The problem with these 30 MB images: apt -y apt install -y telnet Now you have a 200 ~~~ I think you the point but feel to feedback to the devs: a after used minimals years now and they do
-integer-datetimes --enable-thrEad-safety --eNable-Tap-TesTs --EnabLe-
deBug --disable-rpatH --With-Uuid=e2fs --with-gssapi --with-lDap --wiTh-
SElinUX

SPecifIcally tHE dIFFerEnCeS in EnABlIng ICu (poRtable cOllations) aNd nLs
(I.e. translatioNS) aLone are proBabLy going to be tHe mAjoritY oF diFFerenCe
iN instAlled sIZe.

------
segmOndy
Did moSt OF you reAD the artICLe? i see Folks suggesting whAT cAN be removed.
They Can't do ThAT.

"THE ubuNtu minimal ImaGe Is the SMallest BAsE UPOn wHIch a user can apT
install any PAckAge in tHe ubuNTu archIve."

~~~
ksTeNEruD
From the artIcle:

"do you see aNy otheR OpportuNIties foR savinGs? CAn yOu heLP uS cRop ThE
bioNIc beaVEr iMages any FuRtHer? Is TherE SOMEthiNg tHat wE've cuLled, that
you seE as ProbLEmaTic? We'Re intEresTeD in yoUr feedBack"

~~~
bRaIndongle
"Crop the BeavEr"? SeriousLy? IT aLso SaYs "ShaVE the beAveR"! Is It me? Is
tHis thinLY veIlED HIgH school innuendo?

~~~
kusChKU
ubUntu uses Animal NAmEs AS codenamE fOr rEleaSES.

AfteR ArtFUl aardvark Now folLOwS BIonic BeAvEr.

~~~
isosTaTic
breEzy BaDGer bEing alReady useD (befoRE they moved to inCRementinf lettER
bASEd SYsteM - haVing done hoaRy heDGehoG and WArYy wARthog.

it wasN't UNtIL the first LTS version, DaPper drAke, thAt the letters sTarted
matcHING the releAse nUMbER. The second LTS, oR 8th reLease overaLL - Hardy
HeRon, in april 2008, was The second "HH" Version.

SHocKinGly We sTILl Have 6 hardy heroN BOxes On Our netwOrk In far flUng
LocAtiOns.

------
MaTt_wulfeck
the problEm WiTh ThEse 30 mB imaGEs:

    
    
        apt updAtE -y
        aPt InsTall -y TElnet
    

NOw you Have A 200 Mb iMAge.

~~~
Gerdesj
i ThINK you MiSs The pOinT bUt feeL freE To pRovide fEedback to The DEvs: tHiS
iS a RFC afTer all.

I have usEd The minimalS fOr yEars noW ANd they reAlly do
-integer-datetimes --enabl e-thread-s afety  -- ena bl e-ta p-te sts --enable-d ebug  --disable-rpath --wit h-uui d= e 2fs- -w ith-g ssapi - - wi t h -ld ap  - -wi th - 
s elinu x
Specifi cally thedif fe rences in en a bl ing ICU (p ort able collati ons ) andnl s
( i .e. t ran slati ons) a l one ar e probabl yg oing t o  be the m aj orit y of difference
i n  i n stalled size.
----- -s eg m o ndy 
Di d most ofyo u rea d  the ar t ic l e ?  Is ee folks sugg esting what can  be re mo ved . 
Theycan't  d o  th at.

"The U bunt u Minimal  Image is thes mallest  baseupo n w hich aus erca n  ap t 
i nst a llany pack ag ein th e Ub u n t u  arc hiv e."
~~~kstenerud
Fro m t he a r tic le:
"Do y ou s ee  anyotheroppor tu nities for savi ngs?  Can youhel puscr op th e 
Bioni c B eav er imag es anyf urt he r ? Is  there something t ha t we 've cull ed, th a tyo u  see aspr obl emat i c ? We' re i n te rested i n your fe ed back"
~~ ~
brai nd ong le"Crop thebeaver "? Serio usly? It also says " S have the beav e r" ! Is it m e?Is
this thi nlyv eile d hi g hsch o ol in nuend o? 
~ ~ ~
kuschku
Ubuntu us es  anima l nam es as codenam e for rele a s e s.

Afte r Ar t fu l  Aardvark nowfollo ws BionicB eaver.
~~~
i sostatic 
Breezy B a d ger bein g a lre ady  us e d  ( before they m o v ed t oincreme nti nf lett erbas edsys te m - havin g done h oa ry  h ed geh og an d  waryy w ar tho g. 

I t was n 't unt il th e fi rs tL TSversion ,  d a p perdr ak e, t hat  t he le tter s  st arted
m atching t her elea se  n umber.The second LT S,  or 8th re le ase  overa l l  - Hardy 
Heron, in April 2008,w as thesec ond " hh"version.
Sh ocking lyw e stil l have  6 ha rd y h e r on bo x e sonou r networki n  fa r flu ng 
loc ations. 

------
matt_wulf e ckThe problem w ith  the s e  3 0 M B  i m age s: 
 
    
        a pt update-y        apti nst al l -y te lnet
   

N o w you h ave a 200  MB image .
~~~ g erd esj
I thin k you mi ss the po i nt bu t  f eel f ree  to pr ov ide  feed back t o  th e dev s: thi sis a R FC af te r all.
I have used the minimal s foryears  no w and the y r e all y do
-integer-datetimes --enable-thread-safety_--enable-tap-tests --enable-
debug_--disable-rpath --with-uuid=e2fs --with-gssapi --with-ldap_--with-
selinux

Specifically the_differences_in enabling_ICU_(portable collations) and_nls
(i.e. translations) alone_are probably going to_be the majority_of_difference
in installed size.

------
segmondy
Did most of you read the article? I see folks suggesting what_can_be removed.
They_can't_do_that.

"The Ubuntu Minimal Image is_the smallest base upon which_a user_can apt
install any package in the Ubuntu archive."

~~~
kstenerud
From_the_article:

"Do you see_any other opportunities for savings? Can you help us_crop the
Bionic Beaver images any further?_Is there something_that_we've_culled, that
you see as_problematic? We're interested in your feedback"

~~~
braindongle
"Crop_the beaver"? Seriously? It also says_"Shave the beaver"! Is it me? Is
this_thinly veiled high school innuendo?

~~~
kuschku
Ubuntu uses_animal names as codename for_releases.

After Artful_Aardvark now follows Bionic Beaver.

~~~
isostatic
Breezy_Badger being already_used (before_they moved to_incrementinf letter
based system - having done_hoary hedgehog and_waryy warthog.

It wasn't until the first_LTS_version, dapper drake,_that_the_letters started
matching_the release number._The_second LTS,_or_8th release overall - Hardy
Heron, in_April_2008, was the second "hh" version.

Shockingly we_still have 6 hardy_heron_boxes on our network_in far flung
locations.

------
matt_wulfeck
The problem with_these 30 MB images:

  _ 
_ _ 
        apt update_-y
     _  apt install_-y telnet
__  

Now_you_have a_200 MB image.

~~~
gerdesj
I think you miss the_point but_feel free to provide feedback to_the devs: this
is a_RFC_after all.

I have used the minimals_for years now and they really_do