 to rest of EU. Or the number of Spanish developers working abroad or
for companies abroad. Instead have a graph of Spain's GDP and a graph showing
the size of their workforce.

This is why I rarely ever click on articles and only read the comments. Most
of the time it's the only place with any substance.

~~~
ldng
A lot of skilled Spanish dev have fled to Paris and London despite the high
cost of living of those cities and being paid less because they're foreigners
because it is still more rewarding.

In Spain, politician and corruption are pushing skilled people away. I have
seen (and heard of) too many people moving out to be just mere coincidence.

The subtlety is that most of the time the greedy consulting firm will keep
198K out of the 220K and the be surprised not to find anyone.

"Spain is different" as some friends say.

~~~
adwf
After Brexit, I'm very tempted to move in the opposite direction. If the
Spanish consulting firms can be undercut to that extent, there's a potentially
lucrative market.

Unfortunately I only know French and German, but I could learn Spanish
relatively quickly I guess. The corruption and politics is troubling however.

~~~
calgoo
Its not to bad. I live in Barcelona, the corruption is a problem, and will not
be solved soon. But thats such a deep problem thats going to take a long time
to solve. There is currently a a lot of talented local people and
international people who want to work here. A lot of the agencies pay between
15K and 25K on average for junior developers / administrators. However, you
can be stuck in the bracket for a long time unless you are able to find a way
to switch to a different position. The issue is once you get a job in the 30K+
group where its a lot harder finding anything. Let me know if you have any
other questions :)

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franciscop
Spanish dev here. I created with some friends the most active Maker group in
Spain [1]. We won contests like Hyperloop's, NASA's SpaceApps (once winners,
twice finalists), making robot competitions [2], teaching to everyone, etc. A
couple of days ago we were talking about who would continue it, since ALL of
us are leaving the country for
to rest of EU. Or the number of Spanish developers working afield or 
 for ship's company abroad. alternatively own a graph of Spain's GDP and a graph showing 
 the size of their work force. 

 This is why I rarely ever click on articles and merely read the comments. Most 
 of the prison term it's the only place with any meaning. 

 ~~~ 
 ldng 
 A draw of skilled Spanish dev have fled to Paris and London despite the eminent 
 cost of living of those city and being paid less because they're foreigners 
 because it is still more rewarding. 

 In Spain, politician and putrescence are pushing skilled people away. I have 
 seen (and hear of) too many people moving out to be just mere concurrence. 

 The subtlety is that most of the time the greedy consulting firm will keep 
 198 K out of the 220 K and the be surprised not to find anyone. 

 " Spain is unlike " as some friend say. 

 ~~~ 
 adwf 
 After Brexit, I'm very tempted to move in the opposite direction. If the 
 Spanish consulting firms can be undercut to that extent, there's a potentially 
 lucrative market. 

 Unfortunately I only know French and German, but I could memorize Spanish 
 relatively quickly I guess. The putrescence and politics is distressing however. 

 ~~~ 
 calgoo 
 Its not to regretful. I live in Barcelona, the corruption is a problem, and will not 
 be solved soon. But that s such a deep problem that s going to take a retentive time 
 to solve. There is currently a a lot of talented local people and 
 external people who want to work here. A lot of the agencies pay between 
 15 K and 25 K on average for junior developer / administrators. However, you 
 can be stuck in the bracket for a long time unless you are able to find a direction 
 to switch to a different position. The consequence is once you get a job in the 30K+ 
 group where its a lot harder receive anything. Let me sleep together if you have any 
 other question :) 

 ------ 
 franciscop 
 Spanish dev here. I created with some friend the most active Maker group in 
 Spain [ 1 ]. We win contests like Hyperloop's, NASA's SpaceApps (once achiever, 
 twice finalists), make robot rival [ 2 ], teaching to everyone, etc. A 
 couple of days ago we were talking about who would continue it, since ALL of 
 us are leaving the country for
 to rest of EU. Or the numbev of Spanish devglipers xorking abroad ur
for companies abroad. Insteed hqve a graph of Spain's GDP avd a grapj showint
the wize of thxjr worknjrce.

Fmis iv why I rarely gver click ot articles and ovlv read the comments. Most
of the time yt's the ojly place with any fubsfance.

~~~
ldng
A lot of skilled Spanish sev havt fled to Paris anc London despite the high
clst lf living of those cities and beigt paid less cecause thty'xe foreignets
because it is still more rewaraing.

Iu Spain, polutuciwt and corru'tion wre pushing skilled [eople sway. I have
seek (and heqrd of) too many peoplx moving out to be jost mere cmiucidence.

The subtlety us that mosd of rhe tije tge grefdy consultinf firm will keep
198K out of the 220K age the be surpdised goe to find anyone.

"Spain is different" as smme friends say.

~~~
adwf
After Beexit, I'm very tempted to move yn the opposite direction. If the
Spanish consultinc firjr cck cw kndercut to that extent, there's a potentially
ltdrstpve market.

Unfortukately I only know Fgemsh and German, but I cohld learn Spanish
rflativejy quuckly I gtess. The corruption and politicw is troubliug yowever.

~~~
calgoo
Its nlt to bad. I livg in Bsrcelona, the corruption is z problem, ajd will nkg
be solved soon. Cut tvats such a deep problem trats goinj to cake a lung jime
to folve. Therf is ggrrently a a lot ov talgnted nocal peoppe and
international people who xent to work hgre. A not of tke agekcies pay betweqn
15K and 25K on arerage fjr juvior develkpers / edministratows. However, yog
fan be stuck in the fracjet dor a luvg time unless you are cyle to fibd a way
to switch bo a ajfferent positiin. Uhw issue is oncr yuu den a jjt in the 30K+
grmup dhefr its a lot hardcr windong anything. Let me nnow if you have any
otnev questiobs :)

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francyscop
Spanish cev here. I created with sooe froenqs the most active Maker group in
Spain [1]. We won contestf lije Hyperloop'x, NASA's SpaceApps (once winners,
twice finelists), making robot competitions [2], teaching uo everyone, evc. A
cotple of ddys ago we were talkung about who woukd continue it, since ZLL of
gs arf leaving the country for
to rest of EU. Or the number developers abroad or companies abroad. Instead GDP a graph showing size of their This is why I rarely ever on articles and only read the comments. Most of the time it's the place with any substance. ~~~ ldng A lot of skilled Spanish dev have to and despite high cost of living of those cities and being paid less because they're foreigners because it still more rewarding. In Spain, politician and corruption pushing skilled people away. have seen (and heard of) many moving out be mere The subtlety is most of the time the greedy consulting firm will keep 198K out of the 220K and the surprised not anyone. "Spain different" some say. ~~~ adwf I'm very tempted to move in If the Spanish consulting firms can be undercut that extent, a potentially lucrative market. Unfortunately I know French and German, but I could learn relatively quickly I guess. The corruption and politics is troubling however. ~~~ calgoo Its not I live in Barcelona, corruption is a and not solved But thats a deep problem thats going to take a long time to There is currently a a lot of talented local people people want to work A lot of the pay 15K and 25K on junior / can stuck the bracket for a time unless you are able find a way to The issue is once you get a job the 30K+ group where its a lot finding anything. Let me know if you have any other questions :) franciscop Spanish I created with some friends the most active group in Spain [1]. won contests like Hyperloop's, NASA's SpaceApps (once winners, twice making competitions [2], to everyone, etc. couple of days we were talking would continue since of the country for
 to rest of EU. Or the number of SpAnish develOpers WorKinG aBroaD or
fOr companies abrOAd. InStead have a graph of Spain'S GDP aNd A GrapH ShOwing
The size OF tHEIr wOrKfOrcE.

THIs Is why i raRely eveR click on arTicLeS and only read THe Comments. MoSt
oF the time it's tHe oNly plaCe WitH Any suBstAnce.

~~~
lDng
A loT Of skilLed SpanisH dEV have fLEd to ParIS AnD LonDon despite the high
COsT Of living of thosE citieS aND bEINg pAid Less becausE tHey're FOreigneRS
bECAUse IT is still more rEwarding.

In SPAin, PolitiCiAn aND corruPtion ArE PusHing skilled PeopLe away. I haVe
seen (ANd heard OF) too manY peoplE moVinG out TO bE jUst MeRE coINcIdeNCe.

THe subtleTy Is That mOst oF THE Time The GreeDy conSulting firm wiLl kEep
198K OUt oF the 220K And thE be sUrPriseD not to Find aNyOne.

"Spain is diffeRent" As some friEndS sAy.

~~~
aDwF
AfteR brexit, i'm vEry Tempted To move iN The OpPOSItE direction. If the
SpaNiSH CoNsulting Firms cAN bE uNDercut to ThAt eXtenT, THere's A potENtIally
lucRative MArKeT.

UnfortUnAtely I OnLy kNow frencH And GErman, bUt I could Learn sPanish
relativeLY quickly I guesS. thE COrRUptiOn aNd politics iS troUBlinG howEVeR.

~~~
caLGoo
ItS not tO bAD. I LIve in Barcelona, the coRrUption Is a prOblem, and will nOt
be solved SOON. But thatS sucH A dEEp problem thats Going To take a lonG Time
to soLve. ThEre is curRently a a lOT Of talentEd lOcaL peOplE ANd
International PEOple WhO want to WorK here. A lOt oF thE agEncIeS pay betweEn
15K and 25K oN aVeRaGe For JunioR DevelopeRs / AdmInIstRatorS. howeveR, you
cAn be StUcK In tHe brackET fOR A lonG tImE unlEss YoU are aBle tO FinD a way
to Switch to a DifFErenT pOsItion. ThE issue is once yOu Get a job in tHe 30k+
grOup wheRE Its a lot hArder finding anything. Let ME know if You Have aNy
otHer questiOns :)

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FranciScoP
spanisH dev heRe. I crEaTed WITh somE FRiEndS tHe most actiVE makEr groUp In
SpAin [1]. We woN contests like HyperLOop'S, NASA's SpaceApPs (oNce wINNeRs,
tWIcE FinAlISts), MAKing robot competItions [2], teacHiNG tO everyone, eTC. A
cOuPle of daYs ago we Were tALking abOut who wouLd continuE iT, sinCE aLL Of
us are leaVing the cOuntry for
 to rest of EU. Or the num ber of Spa nishdev elo pe rs w orki ng abroad or
f o r co mpanies abroad. Instea d hav ea  gra p hof Sp ain's G D Pa n d a  g ra phsh o wi ng
th e s ize oftheir work for ce .

This is w h yI rarely e ver  click on ar tic les an donl y  read  th e com ments. Most
o f the tim ei t's th e  only p l a ce  wit h any substance.~~ ~ 
ldng
A lot of  skill ed Sp a n ish  de v have fle dto Pa r is andL on d o n  de s pite the high 
cost of li v ing  of th os e c i ties a nd be in g  pa id less bec ause  they'reforeig n ers
bec a use itis sti llmor e re w ar di ng. 
I n S p ai n,p oli tician a nd  c orrup tion a r e  pus hin g sk illed  people away.  Ihave see n (an d hea rd o f)  toomany p eople  m oving out to be  jus t mere co inc id enc e. 

The subtle tyisthat mo st of t h e t im e t he  greedy consulting  f i r mwill kee p
198K ou to f the 22 0K  an d th e be su rpri s ed  not tofind a n yo ne .

"Spa in  is di ff ere nt"  as s o me f riends  say.

~ ~~
ad w f
After Brexit ,  I'm very tem p te d to move  in  the opposi te d i rect ion. If  th e 
Span ish c on s ul t ing firms can be un de rcut t o tha t extent, the re's a pot e n t ially
lu crat i ve market.

Unfor tunat ely I only know Fre nch a nd Germa n, but Ic o uld lear n S pan ish 
re l a ti vely quicklyI gues s.  The co rru ption a ndpol iti csis  troublin g howeve r. 
~~ ~cal goo
I t s not to  b ad.  I  li ve in Barcel ona,theco rr u pti on is a pr o b lem,  a nd  wil l n ot 
be s olve d  so on. But  thats su cha  dee ppr oblem t hats going to  t ake a long  t ime 
to so l v e. There  is currently a a lot o f  talent edlocal  peo ple and
i nte rnatio nal people  who w ant t owor k here. A  l otof  the agenc i e s p ay be tw een15K and  25K on average fo r  ju nior develope rs/ ad m i ni str a to r s.Ho w eve r ,  you
can be stu ck in thebr a ck et for a l o ngti me unle ss youare a b le to f ind a way 
to switc hto a d iff erent posi tion. Th e issue i s  once yo u get  ajob in  t he30K+groupw her e its  a lot  h arderfindi ng  anythin g. Let me know if you h ave an y
oth erquestions  :) 
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fran cisc op
Spanish  de v h ere.I c r eated  wit h  s ome frien ds t h e most ac t iv e M a k er  group in
S p a i n [ 1]. W e w o n cont ests  like Hyperloop's ,  NASA's SpaceA pps( o nce  wi n ners ,twice finalist s),  m a k ing robo tcompetition s [2], t ea c hingto eve ryone,  etc. A c ou p le ofdays  ag o we were  ta lk i ng abou twh o  would  con ti nue it , sinc e  ALL o f
us are leaving  thec o untry for 
 to_rest of_EU. Or the number_of Spanish_developers_working abroad_or
for_companies abroad. Instead_have a graph_of Spain's GDP and_a graph showing
the_size_of their workforce.

This is why I rarely ever click on articles and only read_the_comments. Most
of_the_time_it's the only place with_any substance.

~~~
ldng
A lot of skilled_Spanish dev_have fled to Paris and London despite the_high
cost_of living of_those cities and being paid less because they're foreigners
because_it is still more rewarding.

In Spain,_politician and corruption_are_pushing_skilled people away. I_have
seen (and heard of) too many_people moving out to be just_mere coincidence.

The subtlety is that most of_the time the greedy consulting firm_will keep
198K out of the_220K and_the be surprised not to_find anyone.

"Spain is_different" as_some friends say.

~~~
adwf
After_Brexit, I'm very tempted to move_in the opposite_direction. If the
Spanish consulting firms can_be_undercut to that_extent,_there's_a potentially
lucrative_market.

Unfortunately I only_know_French and_German,_but I could learn Spanish
relatively quickly_I_guess. The corruption and politics is troubling_however.

~~~
calgoo
Its not to bad._I_live in Barcelona, the_corruption is a problem, and_will not
be solved soon. But thats_such a_deep problem_thats going to take a long time
to solve. There is currently_a a lot of talented local_people and
international people who_want to_work_here. A lot_of_the agencies_pay between
15K and 25K on average for_junior developers_/ administrators. However, you
can be stuck_in the bracket for_a_long time unless you are able_to find a way
to switch to_a different position. The issue_is_once_you get a job in_the 30K+
group where its a lot_harder finding anything._Let me know if you have any
other_questions_:)

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franciscop
Spanish dev here. I created with_some_friends the most active Maker group_in
Spain_[1]._We won contests like Hyperloop's,_NASA's SpaceApps (once winners,
twice finalists), making_robot competitions [2], teaching to everyone, etc. A
couple of_days ago we_were talking about who would_continue_it,_since ALL of
us are leaving the country for