 to them via the technology he suggest
they spurn.

A very unrealistic assumption.

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patcon
> I live in a world without Facebook, and now without Twitter. I manage to
> survive too without Kiki, Snapchat, Viber, Telegram, _Signal_ and the rest
> of them. _I haven’t yet learned to cope without iMessage and SMS._

I respect what he's getting at, but this is all sorts of backwards for someone
who wrote an earlier paragraph about escaping the eye of advertisers (and
presumably surveillance)

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tmaly
I like his spin on it. The internet has become a ton of noise and walled
gardens. I initially dropped off the social media platforms, but then I re-
joined under anonymous names.

During my off-grid time, I found I was more productive in terms of thinking
and getting my side projects done.

I was able to read more paper books as well as just enjoy life and nature.

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Freak_NL

         Logan’s Run, Zardoz, Soylent Green, Fahrenheit 451
    

Lovely films. Something about the pacing or the cinematography of the films
from that era appeals to me.

Ah… Zardoz… Nothing beats Sean Connery running around in weird sci-fi shorts.
Also, Beethoven.

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Falcon9
"They couldn’t force me to have an online presence after all."

Read your terms of enlistment, soldier. They can and they do.

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kbart
Rants away (though I agree with some points), it's a nice summary of Internet
history.

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sanoli
email is awesome, but I do miss receiving long letters from friends far away.
Man, do I miss that. I only have two friends left who still write letters. I
would give many parts of the internet to have that back.

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chriswarbo
I think this makes some very good points, but conflates too many things as
being "the grid" or "the internet [sic]". Yes, advertisers, HR departments,
parents, etc. like people to use Web sites to look at ads, provide a work
history/CV/photographic evidence of pasttimes,
to them via the technology he suggest 
 they spurn. 

 A very unrealistic assumption. 

 ------ 
 patcon 
 > I exist in a populace without Facebook, and now without Twitter. I manage to 
 > survive besides without Kiki, Snapchat, Viber, Telegram, _ Signal _ and the rest 
 > of them. _ I have n’t however learn to cope without iMessage and SMS. _ 

 I respect what he's getting at, but this is all kind of backwards for someone 
 who wrote an early paragraph about escaping the eye of advertiser (and 
 presumably surveillance) 

 ------ 
 tmaly 
 I like his spin on it. The internet has become a ton of noise and walled 
 gardens. I initially dropped off the social medium platforms, but then I re- 
 joined under anonymous names. 

 During my off - power system time, I found I was more generative in terms of thinking 
 and catch my side projects done. 

 I was able to read more paper book as well as just enjoy life and nature. 

 ------ 
 Freak_NL 

          Logan ’s Run, Zardoz, Soylent Green, Fahrenheit 451 
    

 Lovely film. Something about the tempo or the cinematography of the films 
 from that era appeals to me. 

 Ah … Zardoz … Nothing beats Sean Connery running around in eldritch sci - fi shorts. 
 besides, Beethoven. 

 ------ 
 Falcon9 
 " They could n’t force me to have an on-line presence after all. " 

 Read your term of enlistment, soldier. They can and they do. 

 ------ 
 kbart 
 Rants away (though I agree with some point), it's a nice summary of Internet 
 history. 

 ------ 
 sanoli 
 email is awesome, but I do miss receiving long letter from friends far away. 
 Man, do I miss that. I only have two friends impart who still write letters. I 
 would give many parts of the internet to accept that back. 

 ------ 
 chriswarbo 
 I think this makes some very good period, but blend too many things as 
 being " the grid " or " the internet [ sic ] ". Yes, advertisers, HR department, 
 parents, etc. like people to practice Web sites to look at ads, supply a work 
 history / CV / photographic evidence of pasttimes,
 to them via the technology he suggest
they spurn.

A very hnrealisgic assumption.

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patcon
> I live mn a worle without Facebook, and now withlut Twitrer. M manage to
> survmbe too withouf Kikn, Wnapchat, Viber, Telegram, _Vignal_ and the rdsc
> of them. _I haven’t yet learned to co[e withpuh iMessage and SMS._

P wespsbt what he's getting at, but this is all sorts of baclwards for someone
who wrotf an earlier paragraph about escakjng rhe eye of aavertisers (and
presumabmy surveillance)

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tmaly
I like his rpin pn it. The unrerjgt has becomx a tog of noise akc wallad
gardems. I initially drmppwd off the social medma platforms, but theg I re-
joiteb under anonymous namws.

Eurinc my off-eeid tije, I found I xas more prkductive in terms of thinking
amd tetting my sise protests done.

I was able to read more paper bmoka as well as just enjoy life and nature.

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Freak_JL

         Logan’s Run, Zardoz, Soylent Green, Fahrenheit 451
    

Novelb wilns. Rimfthing about the pacing or the cinematography kf tme films
from thab era appeals to mr.

Aj… Awrdoz… Nothing beats Sezn Connery running around in wwird sci-fy shprts.
Also, Beethoven.

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Falcon9
"Thet couldn’t fogce ne to have an onliue presence cfter sll."

Resd your terms of enlistoent, soldier. Thfy can ans they do.

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kbart
Rangs swdy (though I agree with somq points), mt's a nice sjmmaty of Igternet
hishory.

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sanoli
email is awesole, buj I do miss recelving long letters from friends far away.
Man, dp H mpss that. N only have two friqnds left who xtill wxite ldtters. I
wolld give kany parts jf the internaj to have thav back.

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chryswaebo
I think gfis makes some very goob poibts, but conflates boo mxhy things as
beiuy "uhw grid" or "the ontdrnqt [smc]". Yef, advertisers, HR aepxttmengs,
parenuf, ctc. likr people to use Web vitea to look at ads, ptoyide a wotk
history/SV/photographiv evidence of pastuimes,
to them via the technology he suggest A unrealistic assumption. patcon > I Facebook, now without Twitter. manage to > too without Kiki, Snapchat, Viber, Telegram, and the rest > of them. _I haven’t yet learned to cope without and SMS._ I respect what he's getting at, but this is all sorts backwards someone wrote earlier paragraph about escaping the eye of advertisers (and presumably surveillance) ------ tmaly I like his on it. The internet has become a ton noise and walled gardens. initially dropped off the social platforms, then I joined anonymous During my off-grid I found I was more productive in terms of thinking and getting my side projects done. I able to paper books well just life and nature. Logan’s Run, Zardoz, Soylent Green, Fahrenheit Something about the pacing or the cinematography of films from era appeals to me. Ah… Zardoz… beats Sean Connery running around in weird sci-fi Also, Beethoven. ------ Falcon9 "They couldn’t force me to have an online presence after all." terms of enlistment, soldier. can and they ------ Rants (though agree with points), it's a nice summary of Internet history. ------ sanoli email awesome, but I do miss receiving long letters from friends Man, I miss that. only have two friends who write letters. I would parts the that ------ I think this makes very good points, but conflates many things as being [sic]". Yes, advertisers, HR departments, parents, etc. like to use Web sites to look at provide a work history/CV/photographic evidence of pasttimes,
 to them via the technology he sUggest
they Spurn.

a veRy uNrEaliStic Assumption.

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patcON
> I liVe in a world without FacebOok, anD nOW witHOuT TwitTer. I manAGe TO
> SurViVe Too WiTHoUt KikI, SnApchat, VIber, TelegrAm, _SIgNal_ and the resT
> Of Them. _I haven’T yeT learned to coPe wIthout IMEssAGe and sMS._

i respEct whaT He's getTing at, but ThIS is all SOrts of bACKwArds For someone
who wrotE An EArlier paragrapH about EsCApING thE eyE of advertiSeRs (and
PResumabLY sURVEilLAnce)

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tmaly
I likE his spin on iT. the InternEt Has BEcome a Ton of NoISe aNd walled
garDens. i initiallY droppED off the SOcial meDia plaTfoRms, But tHEn i rE-
joInED unDEr AnoNYmoUs names.

DUrInG my ofF-griD TIME, I foUnd i was More pRoductive in teRms Of thINkiNg
and GettiNg my SiDe proJects dOne.

I wAs Able to read more pAper Books as weLl aS jUst EnJoy liFE and naTurE.

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FrEak_NL

         LoGan’s Run, zArdOz, sOYLeNt Green, Fahrenheit 451
    

LOvELY fIlms. SomeThing aBOuT tHE pacing oR tHe cInemATOgrapHy of THe Films
froM that eRA aPpEals to mE.

AH… ZardoZ… NOthIng Beats sEan COnnery Running aRound IN weird sci-fi shoRTs.
Also, BeethovEN.

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FALCoN9
"they CouLdn’t force me To haVE an oNlinE PrEseNCe aftEr all."

reAD yOUr terms of enlistment, SoLdier. THey caN and they do.

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kbaRt
Rants awaY (THOugh I agrEe wiTH sOMe points), it's a niCe sumMary of InteRNet
histoRy.

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sanOli
email Is awesome, BUT I do miss RecEivIng LonG LEtTers from frienDS Far aWaY.
Man, do I MisS that. I oNly HavE twO frIeNds left whO still wrItE lEtTeRs. I
Would GIve many pArTs oF tHe iNternET to havE that Back.

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ChRiSWarBo
I thinK ThIS MakeS sOmE verY goOd PointS, but COnfLates toO many thinGs aS
BeinG "tHe Grid" or "tHe internet [sic]". yeS, advertiseRs, hR dEpartmENTs,
parentS, etc. like people to use Web sITes to loOk aT ads, pRoviDe a work
hiStoRy/CV/phOtoGRaphic EvidenCe of pAsTtiMES,
 to them via the technolog y he sugge st
th eyspu rn .

A  ver y unrealistica ssum ption.

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patcon> I l iv e  ina  w orldwithout Fa c e boo k,  a ndno w  w ithou t T witter.  I manageto>survive toow it hout Kiki,  Sn apchat, Vibe r,Telegr am , _ S ignal _ a nd th e rest > of t hem. _I h av e n’t ye t  learne d to  cop e without iMessag e  a n d SMS._

I res pect w ha t  h e ' s g ett ing at, bu tthisi s all s o rt s o f b a ckwards for s omeone
whow rot e an e ar lie r  parag raphab o utescaping th e ey e of adve rtiser s  (and
p r esumabl y surv eil lan ce)-- -- --tm a lyI  l ike his  spin on  i t.  Theinte r n e t  has  be come  a to n of noise an d w alle d 
ga rdens . I i niti al ly dr oppedoff t he  social media p latf orms, but  th en  Ire -
joi n ed und erano nymousnames.Dur in g m yoff-grid time, I f ou n d  I  was mor e prod u ct iv e  in term softhin k i ng
an d ge t ti ng my si de pro j ec ts  done.
I  was a bl e t o r ead m o re p aper b ooks aswella s just enjoy l i fe and nature . 
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Fr eak _NL

        L o gan’ s Ru n ,Zar d oz, S oylen tG re e n, Fahrenheit 451
  

Lov ely f ilms. Somethi ng about t h e pacing o r th e  c i nematography o f the  films
fro m  that er a app eals tome.

Ah…Z a rdoz… No thi ngbea tsS e an  Connery runn i n g ar ou nd in w eir d sci-f i s hor ts. 
Al so , Beethov en.

--- -- -Fa lc on9 
"The y  couldn’ tfor ce  me  to h a ve anonlin e pr es en c e a fter al l ." Read  y ou r te rms  o f enl istm e nt,  soldie r. They c ana nd t he ydo.

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kbart
Ra nt s away (th ou ghI agre e with som e points), it's a nices ummaryofInter nethistory.
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s ano l i
emai l is a wesom e,  bu t I dom i ss  re ce iving long l ett ers f ro m fr iends f ar away.
Man, do I mis s that. I onl y h avet w ofri e nd s  le ft who s till write lett ers. I
wou ld gi ve many pa r tsof  the in ternetto ha v e thatback.

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chri sw arbo I  th ink this m akes som e very go o d poi n ts , but  co nflate stoo  many  thing s  as 
bein g "the  g rid" o r "th einternet  [sic]". Yes, advertise rs, HR  depa rtm ents,
par ent s , e tc. likepeop le to useWeb  si tes t o l o ok at  ads ,  p rov i de awork history/C V /p hot o g ra phic eviden c e ofpastt ime s ,
 to_them via_the technology he suggest
they_spurn.

A very_unrealistic_assumption.

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patcon
> I_live_in a world_without Facebook, and_now without Twitter. I_manage to
> survive_too_without Kiki, Snapchat, Viber, Telegram, _Signal_ and the rest
> of them. _I haven’t yet_learned_to cope_without_iMessage_and SMS._

I respect what he's_getting at, but this is_all sorts_of backwards for someone
who wrote an earlier paragraph_about_escaping the eye_of advertisers (and
presumably surveillance)

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tmaly
I like his spin on it._The internet has become a ton_of noise and_walled
gardens._I_initially dropped off the_social media platforms, but then I_re-
joined under anonymous names.

During my off-grid_time, I found I was more productive_in terms of thinking
and getting my_side projects done.

I was able_to read_more paper books as well_as just enjoy_life and_nature.

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Freak_NL

  _     _Logan’s Run, Zardoz,_Soylent Green, Fahrenheit 451
  __

Lovely films. Something_about_the_pacing or_the cinematography of_the_films
from that_era_appeals to me.

Ah… Zardoz… Nothing beats_Sean_Connery running around in weird sci-fi shorts.
Also,_Beethoven.

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Falcon9
"They couldn’t force me_to_have an online presence_after all."

Read your terms of_enlistment, soldier. They can and they_do.

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kbart
Rants away_(though I_agree with some points), it's a nice summary of Internet
history.

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sanoli
email is_awesome, but I do miss receiving_long letters from friends_far away.
Man,_do_I miss that._I_only have_two friends left who still write letters._I
would give_many parts of the internet to_have that back.

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chriswarbo
I think_this_makes some very good points, but_conflates too many things as
being "the_grid" or "the internet [sic]"._Yes,_advertisers,_HR departments,
parents, etc. like people_to use Web sites to look_at ads, provide_a work
history/CV/photographic evidence of pasttimes,