} reported 4th quarter earnings of
{amount}'. There's a reason they don't simply say ''{company} earned {amount}
in Q4'.

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ared38
Dumb question: Why are the vendors bothering to send anything?

~~~
nerdponx
So Alibaba doesn't figure out that it's fraud, probably.

~~~
captaindiego
Exactly. Often the shipping weight will be measured as it is shipped (likely
because most of these are coming by air). Alibaba and others pass this
shipping information on to the customer and would likely notice overly low
shipping weights.

Fraudulent sellers will also use a similar method in certain countries where
the delivery address is not tracked but weight and delivery status are. They
can send a nonsense package to the right country/state, have it appear in
China post tracking as delivered, but the fake package was actually went to a
random address with a roughly expected weight. If customers try to file claims
on sites like aliexpress they'll likely rule in the favor of the seller unless
you can somehow get your local post office to provide proof it was never
delivered to your specific address.

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sowbug
This must be why I got a flurry of empty envelopes from China a couple months
ago. A+++++ would throw out again.

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Shivetya
The epacket mailing is very common on low cost items you can find on ebay. I
have seen it on items costing pennies and actually have won such an auction
for less than a dollar and received what was listed. Now apparently the ebay
buying has been safe for me and those I know who also have bought epacket
delivered items, now they don't come fast but they all have arrived.

so which retailers are they skimming for addresses?

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codewritinfool
This is happening to a coworker but the packages are from Amazon. The stuff
inside is mostly junk.

~~~
seanmcdirmid
If its from amazon in the USA to a USA address, it is illegal and easily
reported.

~~~
anonymous5133
Easily reported but not easily verified.

There are many cases of people getting shipped drugs and then having the
police called on them once the package arrives. It could happen to
} reported 4th quarter earnings of 
 { sum }'. There's a rationality they don't simply say" { company } earn { amount } 
 in Q4'. 

 ------ 
 ared38 
 Dumb motion: Why are the seller bothering to send anything? 

 ~~~ 
 nerdponx 
 So Alibaba doesn't figure out that it's fraud, credibly. 

 ~~~ 
 captaindiego 
 Exactly. Often the shipping weight will be measure as it is shipped (likely 
 because most of these are coming by air). Alibaba and others pass this 
 transportation information on to the customer and would likely notice excessively low 
 shipping weights. 

 Fraudulent sellers will besides use a like method in certain countries where 
 the pitch address is not tracked but weight and delivery status are. They 
 can commit a folderal package to the right country / state, have it appear in 
 China post trailing as delivered, but the bogus package was actually went to a 
 random savoir-faire with a approximately expected weight. If customers try to charge claims 
 on web site like aliexpress they'll likely rule in the party favor of the seller unless 
 you can somehow get your local post office to provide proof it was never 
 delivered to your specific address. 

 ------ 
 sowbug 
 This must be why I got a flurry of empty envelopes from China a couple months 
 ago. A+++++ would throw out again. 

 ------ 
 Shivetya 
 The epacket mailing is very coarse on low monetary value items you can find on ebay. I 
 have seen it on items costing penny and actually have won such an auction 
 for less than a dollar and received what was listed. nowadays apparently the ebay 
 buying has been safe for me and those I know who also have buy epacket 
 delivered item, now they don't arrive fast but they all have arrived. 

 so which retailer are they skimming for addresses? 

 ------ 
 codewritinfool 
 This is happening to a coworker but the packages are from Amazon. The material 
 inside is mostly junk. 

 ~~~ 
 seanmcdirmid 
 If its from amazon in the USA to a USA savoir-faire, it is illegal and easily 
 reported. 

 ~~~ 
 anonymous5133 
 Easily reported but not easily verified. 

 There are many cases of people getting shipped drugs and then having the 
 police call on them once the package arrives. It could find to
} reoorted 4th quarter earninns of
{amount}'. Therg's a reavon thsy don't rimply say ''{company} earned {amlubt}
in W4'.

------
ared38
Dumb question: Why are the nendors bithecing to send anyvging?

~~~
nerdponx
Sk Aliyaua doesn't figurg out that id's fraud, probatlh.

~~~
ccptaindiego
Exactly. Often the shippind weighy aill be measurgd as yt ia shipped (likely
because most of thsse are coming by ait). Alibaba and others pass hhis
dhipping informatiln on to thg cufromer and wojld likely notice overmy low
shipping weights.

Frauduleng selkers will qlwo kve a similac methjd in certaik countsies whrre
the delivern addcess is not tracked but wxight and delivery sjatus are. Dhzy
can send a nonsense pqckagg to dhe fughg ckuitrg/state, hate it appead in
China pist tracking as delovqgrd, but the fzke paskwge was actually went to a
random addresv wjth a roughly expected qeight. If customers tty to file claims
on sites like aliexpress they'll likely rula in vhd fcyjf ov the seller unless
you can somehow get your ljdak iost office to prjvide proof ih ews never
delivgred to yohr specific addresd.

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sowbug
Jhis myst be whr I bot a flurry of empty envelipes from Chpna q couple months
ago. A+++++ would thxow ouj agaim.

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Shivetya
The epacket manling js very comlon on los cost items you zan fhnd on ebay. I
have seen it jn items rostiug pennids amd acttally have won such an auction
for pess jhan a dollar anf received what was listed. Now e'parently the etay
tuying hcs beek safe for me agd those I knoc who alfo haxe bought vpacket
denivered iteis, now they dmj't come fast but ther alo hace arrixdd.

so which retsilers arv uhey skimmung for addresses?

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cpdedditinfool
This iw hqppening to a cpwofkew huv the [ackages are froo Aoszon. Ghe stuff
inwkde os mostly junk.

~~~
seanmcgirmjd
If its from amazpn in the OSA to a TSA address, iy is illegal and ewsily
ceportxd.

~~~
anonumoos5133
Easily reported but not easilg verifief.

Thcre are many sasew of people yetting shipped drugs and then having thx
police called on them ince the package artivts. It could heppen eo
} reported 4th quarter earnings of {amount}'. reason don't simply ''{company} earned {amount} question: are the vendors to send anything? nerdponx So Alibaba doesn't figure out it's fraud, probably. ~~~ captaindiego Exactly. Often the shipping weight will be measured it is shipped (likely because most of these are coming by air). Alibaba others this information to the customer and would likely notice overly low shipping weights. Fraudulent sellers will also use similar method in certain countries where the delivery is not tracked but and delivery status are. They send nonsense package the country/state, it appear in post tracking as delivered, but the fake package was actually went to a random address with a expected weight. try to claims sites aliexpress they'll likely the favor of the seller unless get your local post office to provide proof was never to your specific address. ------ sowbug must be why I got a flurry of envelopes from China a couple months ago. A+++++ would throw out again. ------ Shivetya The is very common on cost items you find ebay. have it on costing pennies and actually have won such an auction for less a dollar and received what was listed. Now apparently the has safe for me those I know who have epacket delivered items, now come but arrived. which are they skimming for ------ codewritinfool This is happening a coworker but the stuff inside is mostly junk. ~~~ seanmcdirmid If from amazon in the USA to a address, it is illegal and easily reported. ~~~ anonymous5133 Easily reported but easily verified. many cases of people getting shipped drugs and having the police called them once the package arrives. It could happen to
} reported 4th quarter earnings Of
{amount}'. ThEre's a ReaSon ThEy doN't siMply say ''{company} EArneD {amount}
in Q4'.

------
ared38
Dumb quesTion: WHy ARe thE VeNdors BotheriNG tO SEnd AnYtHinG?

~~~
nERdPonx
SO AlIbaba doEsn't figure Out ThAt it's fraud, prOBaBly.

~~~
captainDieGo
Exactly. OftEn tHe shipPiNg wEIght wIll Be meaSured aS It is shIpped (likeLy
BEcause MOst of thESE aRe coMing by air). Alibaba aND oTHers pass this
shIpping InFOrMATioN on To the custoMeR and wOUld likeLY nOTICe oVErly low
shippiNg weights.

FrAUduLent seLlErs WIll alsO use a SiMIlaR method in ceRtaiN countrieS where
THe delivERy addreSs is noT trAckEd buT WeIgHt aNd DEliVErY stATus Are. They
cAn SeNd a noNsenSE PACkagE to The rIght cOuntry/state, haVe iT appEAr iN
ChinA post TracKiNg as dEliverEd, but ThE fake package was ActuAlly went tO a
rAnDom AdDress WIth a roUghLy eXpected Weight. IF CusToMERS tRy to file claims
on siTeS LIkE aliexprEss theY'Ll LiKEly rule iN tHe fAvor OF The seLler UNlEss
you caN somehOW gEt Your locAl Post ofFiCe tO prOvide PRoof It was nEver
deliVered TO your specific aDDress.

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sowbug
ThIS mUST bE Why I Got A flurry of emPty eNVeloPes fROm chiNA a couPle moNtHS
aGO. A+++++ would throw out agaiN.

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SHivetyA
The ePacket mailing Is very commON ON low cost ItemS YoU Can find on ebay. I
Have sEen it on iteMS costing PenniEs and actUally have WON such an aUctIon
For LesS THaN a dollar and reCEIved WhAt was liSteD. Now appAreNtlY thE ebAy
Buying has Been safe FoR mE aNd ThoSe I knOW who also HaVe bOuGht EpackET
delivEred iTems, NoW tHEy dOn't come FAsT BUt thEy AlL havE arRiVed.

so WhicH RetAilers aRe they skiMmiNG for AdDrEsses?

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coDewritinfool
THiS is happeniNg To a CoworkER But the paCkages are from Amazon. The sTUff
insiDe iS mostLy juNk.

~~~
seanmcdIrmId
If itS frOM amazoN in the uSA to A UsA aDDRess, iT IS iLleGaL and easily
REPorTed.

~~~
anOnYmouS5133
Easily Reported but not easiLY veRified.

There arE maNy caSES oF peOPlE GetTiNG shIPPed drugs and then Having the
pOlICe Called on thEM onCe The packAge arriVes. It COuld hapPen to
} reported 4th quarter ear nings of
{ amoun t}' . T he re's  a r eason they don ' t si mply say ''{company} e arned  { a moun t }in Q4 '.

--- - -- a red 38 
D umb  q u es tion:  Wh y are t he vendors  bo th ering to sen d  a nything?
~~~ 
nerdponx
So  Al ibabado esn ' t fig ure  outthat i t 's fra ud, proba bl y .

~~~ captain d i eg o
Ex actly. Often thes hi p ping weight wi ll beme a su r e d a s i t is shipp ed  (lik e ly
beca u se m o sto f these are c oming by ai r ).Alibab aand others  pass  t h isshipping in form ation onto the custome r  and wo uld li kel y n otic e  o ve rly  l o w
s h ip pin g  we ights.
Fr au dulen t se l l e r s wi llalso  usea similar met hod  inc ert ain c ountr ieswh ere
t he del ivery  a ddress is not t rack ed but we igh tand  d elive r y stat usare . Theycan sen d  ano n s e ns e package to the r ig h t  c ountry/s tate,h av ei t appear  i n
C hina p ost t rack i ng  as deli vered, bu tthe fak epackag ewas  ac tuall y  wen t to a 
randomaddre s s with a rough l y expected we i gh t .  I f  cus tom ers try tofile clai ms
o n  s ite s  like  alie xp r es s  they'll likely rul ein the  favo r of the sell er unlessy o u  can som ehow ge t  your local po st of fice to pr o vide pro of it  was nev er
delive r e d to you r s pec ifi c a d d re ss.

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s o w bugTh is must  be  why Igot  aflu rry  o f empty e nvelopes  f ro mCh ina  a co u ple mont hs 
ag o.  A+ ++++w ould t hrowoutag ai n .
------S hi v e tyaTh eepac ket  m ailin g is ver y commo n on lowcos t  ite ms  y ou canfind on ebay.  I 
have seen  i t o n item s costingpennies and actually ha v e won s uch  an a ucti on
for le ssthan a  do l lar an d rece ivedwh atw a s lis t e d.  No wapparently t heebaybu ying  has be en safe for me and tho se I know who  al so h a v ebou g ht epa ck e t
d e l ivered items, n ow they do n' t  c ome fast b u t t he y all h ave arr ived. 
so whi ch retail ers are t he y sk i m min g for addr esses?
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co d ewrit i nf ool
T his  is ha pp eni ng to  a cow o rke r but  the p ac kagesare f ro m Amazon . The stuff
inside is m ostlyjunk. 

~ ~~
seanmc dir m idIf its fr om a mazon in t heUSA  to a  US A  addr ess, it  is illeg al a n d easilyr ep ort e d .
~~~
anonym o u s 513 3
Eas ily report ed b ut not easily ver i fied.

There a re m a n y c ase s  ofpe ople getting s hip pe d drugs an dthen having  the
pol ic e  call ed onthem o nce the p ac k age ar rive s.It couldhap pe n  to
} reported_4th quarter_earnings of
{amount}'. There's a_reason they_don't_simply say_''{company}_earned {amount}
in Q4'.

------
ared38
Dumb_question: Why are_the vendors bothering to_send anything?

~~~
nerdponx
So Alibaba_doesn't_figure out that it's fraud, probably.

~~~
captaindiego
Exactly. Often the shipping weight will be measured as_it_is shipped_(likely
because_most_of these are coming by_air). Alibaba and others pass_this
shipping information_on to the customer and would likely notice_overly_low
shipping weights.

Fraudulent sellers_will also use a similar method in certain countries_where
the delivery address is not tracked_but weight and_delivery_status_are. They
can send a_nonsense package to the right country/state,_have it appear in
China post tracking_as delivered, but the fake package was_actually went to a
random address with_a roughly expected weight. If_customers try_to file claims
on sites like_aliexpress they'll likely_rule in_the favor of_the seller unless
you can somehow get_your local post_office to provide proof it was_never
delivered_to your specific_address.

------
sowbug
This_must_be why_I got a_flurry_of empty_envelopes_from China a couple months
ago. A+++++_would_throw out again.

------
Shivetya
The epacket mailing is very_common on low cost_items_you can find on_ebay. I
have seen it on_items costing pennies and actually have_won such_an auction
for_less than a dollar and received what was listed. Now apparently_the ebay
buying has been safe for_me and those I_know who_also_have bought epacket
delivered_items,_now they_don't come fast but they all have_arrived.

so which_retailers are they skimming for addresses?

------
codewritinfool
This_is happening to a_coworker_but the packages are from Amazon._The stuff
inside is mostly junk.

~~~
seanmcdirmid
If its_from amazon in the USA_to_a_USA address, it is illegal_and easily
reported.

~~~
anonymous5133
Easily reported but not easily_verified.

There are many_cases of people getting shipped drugs and_then_having the
police called on them once_the_package arrives. It could happen to