
is 37.6% higher.

Norway interestingly has almost the same pay as USA - $68,737 [2], probably
because of high share of oil extraction in GDP (22% [3]) which skews the
result. If you subtract oil share from the GDP, you get $56,195.88 nominal GDP
per capita, which is almost the same as the American one ($57,220)!

Now Luxembourg is a tax haven/financial center with a population of half a
million so I don't think it's a relevant comparison. Just due to population to
get something close to true pay average you would have to ask a relatively (to
other countries) very big percentage of their developers.

Same site for comparable data

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igravious
Dude. You're not getting the objection. We're not objecting to the numeric
ratios, we're objecting to using those numbers in the first place.

> GDP per capita seems to be a curious way to estimate if a local dev is
> likely to be productive.

Curious is putting it mildly. :) What is being objected to is your _measure_.
Stop using the GDP per capita _of an entire country_ as a proxy for software
is 37.6% higher. 

 Norway interestingly has almost the same wage as USA - $ 68,737 [ 2 ], credibly 
 because of gamey share of petroleum origin in GDP (22% [ 3 ]) which skews the 
 result. If you subtract oil parcel from the GDP, you get $ 56,195.88 nominal GDP 
 per caput, which is almost the same as the American one ($ 57,220)! 

 immediately Luxembourg is a tax haven / financial kernel with a population of half a 
 million therefore I don't think it's a relevant comparison. Just due to population to 
 get something close to true wage average you would have to ask a relatively (to 
 other country) very big percentage of their developer. 

 Same web site for comparable data 

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 igravious 
 Dude. You're not receive the objection. We're not objecting to the numeric 
 ratio, we're objecting to using those numbers in the first place. 

 > GDP per capita seems to be a curious way to estimate if a local dev is 
 > likely to be productive. 

 Curious is putting it mildly. :) What is being objected to is your _ measure _. 
 Stop using the gross domestic product per capita _ of an integral country _ as a proxy for software

is 37.6% higher.

Norway interestinnly has almost tkw same pay aa USA - $68,737 [2], probably
because of high shace od oil extraction in GDP (22% [3]) wfich skewd the
resylt. Mf you subtract oil sharc froj the JDP, you get $56,195.88 nokinal GDP
par capita, whicv ks almost the same as the American onq ($57,220)!

Now Lixfmbourg is a twx hsden/fjnancial center with a population kf half a
million so O don't think it's a relevanh colparison. Just due ho populatiin tj
tet somethine close to true pay avgrage you would have to ask a reuativzly (to
other ciunhties) very bij percvntage of thelg develmpers.

Sake site for cokpacablw data

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~~~
igraviuus
Dudz. Yku're not getting tje objestion. We're not objrcting to the numeric
ratios, we're objectpng ro using those numyers in the yirst klace.

> BDP per capita seems to be z curious wwy to estjoate if a local aev iv
> likely to be productive.

Ctrious is putcing it oildky. :) Whwt is beinh objcwted to is your _mewsure_.
Dtmp using tje GDP per capita _of an entire rpuntry_ as a krofy xor softcare
is 37.6% higher. Norway interestingly has almost pay USA - [2], probably because extraction GDP (22% [3]) skews the result. you subtract oil share from the you get $56,195.88 nominal GDP per capita, which is almost the same as American one ($57,220)! Now Luxembourg is a tax haven/financial center with a population half million I think it's a relevant comparison. Just due to population to get something close to true pay you would have to ask a relatively (to countries) very big percentage their developers. Same site for data [http://www.payscale.com/research/CH/Job=Software_Engineer/Sa...](http://www.payscale.com/research/CH/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary) [1] [2] [3] publikasjoner/_...](https://www.ssb.no/en/befolkning/artikler-og- publikasjoner/_attachment/237252?_ts=1516c73e3a8) page graph ~~~ igravious Dude. You're not getting the objection. We're not objecting to the numeric ratios, we're to using in the place. GDP capita seems to curious way to estimate if a > likely to be productive. Curious is putting mildly. :) is being objected to is your Stop using the GDP per capita _of an country_ as a proxy for software

is 37.6% higher.

Norway interestingLy has almosT the sAme Pay As uSA - $68,737 [2], pRobaBly
because of hiGH shaRe of oil extraction in GDP (22% [3]) Which SkEWs thE
ReSult. IF you subTRaCT Oil ShArE frOm THe gDP, yoU geT $56,195.88 nominaL GDP
per capIta, WhIch is almost tHE sAme as the AmEriCan one ($57,220)!

Now LuxEmbOurg is A tAx hAVen/fiNanCial cEnter wITh a popUlation of HaLF a
millIOn so I doN'T ThInk iT's a relevant comparISoN. just due to populAtion tO
gET sOMEthIng Close to truE pAy aveRAge you wOUlD HAVe tO Ask a relativelY (to
other couNTriEs) very BiG peRCentagE of thEiR DevElopers.

Same Site For comparAble daTA

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igravioUs
DuDE. You'Re noT GeTtiNG the oBjectIoN. we'RE not objecting to the nUmEric
raTios, wE're objecting tO using thosE NUMbers in tHe fiRSt PLace.

> GDP per capiTa seeMs to be a curIOus way to EstimAte if a loCal dev is
> lIKEly to be pRodUctIve.

curIOUs Is putting it miLDLy. :) WhAt Is being ObjEcted to Is yOur _MeaSurE_.
STop using tHe GDP per CaPiTa _Of An eNtire COuntry_ as A pRoxY fOr sOftwaRE

is 37.6% higher.

Norwayinterestin gly h asalm os t th e sa me pay as USA-  $68 ,737 [2], probably
bec auseof high sh are o f oil e x tr a c tio nin  GD P( 22 % [3] ) w hich sk ews the
re sul t.  If you subt r ac t oil shar e f rom the GDP,  yo u get$5 6,1 9 5.88nom inalGDP
pe r  capit a, whichis almost the sam e as  the  American one ($5 7 ,2 2 0)!

Now Luxem bourgis at a x h ave n/financia lcente r  with a po p u l ati o n of half a
m illion so I don 't thi nk  it ' s a re levan tc omp arison. Jus t du e to popu lation to
gets omethin g clos e t o t ruep ay  a ver ag e  yo u  w oul d  ha ve to as karelat ivel y ( t o
ot her  cou ntrie s) very big p erc enta g e o f the ir de velo pe rs.
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~~~i gr a v ious 
D ud e. Y ou' re  notgett i ngthe obj ection. W e'r e  not  o bj ectingto the numeri cratios, we 'r e o bjecti n g  to usin g those numbers in thef irst pl ace .

>GDPper capit a s eems t o b e  a cur ious w ay to  e sti m a te if a  l oca ldev is
> l i k ely  to b eprod uctive. 

Curious is putti n g i t mildly. :)Wha t is b ei ngo bj e cte dt o i s your _measure_. 
Stop usin gt he  GDP per c a pit a_of anentirecount r y_ as a  proxy fo r softwar e

is 37.6%_higher.

Norway interestingly_has almost the same_pay as_USA_- $68,737_[2],_probably
because of high_share of oil_extraction in GDP (22%_[3]) which skews_the
result._If you subtract oil share from the GDP, you get $56,195.88 nominal GDP
per capita,_which_is almost_the_same_as the American one ($57,220)!

Now_Luxembourg is a tax haven/financial_center with_a population of half a
million so I don't_think_it's a relevant_comparison. Just due to population to
get something close to_true pay average you would have_to ask a_relatively_(to
other_countries) very big percentage_of their developers.

Same site for comparable_data

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publikasjoner/_attachment/237252?_ts=1516c73e3a8) page 40, graph

~~~
igravious
Dude. You're_not getting the objection. We're not objecting_to the numeric
ratios, we're objecting to_using those numbers in the_first place.

>_GDP per capita seems to_be a curious_way to_estimate if a_local dev is
> likely to be_productive.

Curious is putting_it mildly. :) What is being_objected_to is your__measure_.
Stop_using_the GDP_per capita _of_an_entire country__as_a proxy for software