
alternative models that capture the intuitive gain from things like this? Or
maybe such gains are rare and negligible?

~~~
YokoZar
What happens in this situation is the people who used to make the obsolete
things are now out of a job, and eventually get employment somewhere else.
What they do _then_ counts for productivity. If they earn what they did
before, you'd measure no change in productivity -- though we'd all be better
off.

The studies in the article assert that the size of the productivity shortfall
is so large that even if we place pretty generous values on all this free
stuff we have now it doesn't fully cover the gap.

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calinet6
Complex systems never got any simpler, only more complex.

Certain circles are beginning to realize that the main issues are human and
not technological (Lean, Deming, Kaizen, Design thinking, etc).

So there's your answer. Increasing complexity of work, with unchanged or at
best slowly increased ability to cope with it.

For a great overview and insight into this shift (and how to tackle it), check
out Gen Stanley McChrystal's book, "Team of Teams."

~~~
dilemma
Standard Work is an incredibly interesting concept that I've just started
looking into for organizational design.

~~~
calinet6
One of many concepts needed together to create a high-functioning
organization.

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baconizer
[off-topic] aren't mobile phones and tablets just sucking productivity out of
mankind, if not slowing it down? was watching old movies from 90s with my lady
and we both noticed how interactive ppl were in the background, on streets or
in cafe, nowadays every one just dives into their mobile phones...

~~~
baddox
Are you talking about economic productivity, or social interaction? Those are
two questions with potentially very different answers. Also, I think the
social interaction argument is pretty weak. The global connectedness that
comes from the Internet and smartphones is, in my opinion, a huge improvement
to social interaction in the world. I'm not that fussed if I'm at a restaurant
with friends and some are using their phones.

~~~
baconizer
yes i immediately realised what you meant after my reply, so I should mark my
words as off topic. it did inspired
alternative models that capture the intuitive gain from thing like this? Or 
 possibly such gains are rare and negligible? 

 ~~~ 
 YokoZar 
 What happens in this site is the multitude who used to make the disused 
 things are now out of a job, and finally contract use somewhere else. 
 What they do _ then _ counts for productivity. If they gain what they did 
 before, you'd measure no change in productivity -- though we'd all be better 
 off. 

 The study in the article assert that the size of the productivity shortfall 
 is indeed large that even if we place pretty generous values on all this complimentary 
 stuff we have now it doesn't fully cover the break. 

 ------ 
 calinet6 
 Complex systems never got any simpler, only more complex. 

 Certain circles are beginning to realize that the main issues are human and 
 not technological (Lean, Deming, Kaizen, Design thinking, etc). 

 So there's your answer. Increasing complexity of work, with unaltered or at 
 well slowly increase ability to cope with it. 

 For a big overview and insight into this shift (and how to tackle it), control 
 out Gen Stanley McChrystal's record, " Team of Teams. " 

 ~~~ 
 dilemma 
 Standard Work is an incredibly interesting concept that I've just startle 
 looking into for organizational design. 

 ~~~ 
 calinet6 
 One of many concepts needed together to create a high - functioning 
 organization. 

 ------ 
 baconizer 
 [ off - topic ] aren't mobile earphone and tablets merely sucking productivity out of 
 mankind, if not slowing it down? was watching previous movies from 90s with my lady 
 and we both comment how interactive ppl were in the background, on streets or 
 in cafe, nowadays every one just dive into their mobile phones... 

 ~~~ 
 baddox 
 Are you talk about economic productivity, or social interaction? Those are 
 two question with potentially very different answer. Also, I intend the 
 social interaction argument is pretty weak. The global connectedness that 
 come from the Internet and smartphones is, in my opinion, a huge improvement 
 to social interaction in the earth. I'm not that fussed if I'm at a restaurant 
 with friends and some are using their phones. 

 ~~~ 
 baconizer 
 yes i immediately realised what you mean after my reply, so I should mark my 
 lyric as off topic. it did inspired

altfrnative models that capuure the intuitivg tain fcom thihgs like this? Or
maybe such gains are rqre abd negligible?

~~~
YokoZar
Whxt happend in thiw siuuation is the people who used fl manx the obsolete
tmings are nmw out of a jot, xnb eventually get employment somewherq else.
Wnah they do _then_ coumes fkg kroductivity. If they earn what thsy did
btfore, you'd measure no change in productivity -- thlugh we'd all be behter
off.

The wtudyws in the argicle assegc that the aize of the productivity shortfxll
is so large jkqt feen if we poace iretty generomx valuas on akl this free
stmff wx hace now it doesn't fullb cover the gap.

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calingt6
Complex vyatems never got aby simpner, mnly nord ckm'les.

Certaln rircles are beginning ro realize that the mwpm issues are human agd
not technological (Lean, Deming, Kaizen, Gesjgn thinking, etc).

So therw's your answer. Increading compjexity of work, with unchanged or at
best slowly inwreasxd abnoity gi fope with it.

For a great overview and insight yhtp nhis shift (and hoc to tackle it), cnefk
pot Gen Stanley McChrvatzl's book, "Team of Tfams."

~~~
dilgmma
Stqndard Wowk ix an incredibly interesting concept than I'vw just started
looknng into for orgsnizayional design.

~~~
calinet6
One of jany concephs needed gogether to creage s vigh-funcukoning
organizatiog.

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baconizec
[off-tppic] ardn't kobile phones anf tablets just sucking pgoducjivity out of
mannind, if not slowing it down? was watching old koeiev from 90s with my lady
and wq both noticed how inceractkve ppl wege in the background, on streets os
ln cafe, nowavays everr onw juwt diver into their monile phonvs...

~~~
yaddox
Are you talking about ecuhomic productivnuy, ir social intersctkon? Tjoxe dre
two questhons wign potdntially vevy aiffrrent answers. Also, I thihk the
social interscbion argunent is [retty weak. Tne global connectefness thet
comex ftom the Internet and smartphonea is, in mj oiinion, a huge impvoveient
to socnal interaction in the world. I'm not that fussed if I'm at a restaurant
with frigndx and some ere usyng their phones.

~~~
baconizer
yes u immediately reakised what you meant zfter ky reoly, so I should mark my
words as off topic. it did inspired
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alternative models that captUre the intuItive GaiN frOm ThinGs liKe this? Or
maybe sUCh gaIns are rare and negligiblE?

~~~
YokozaR
what HApPens iN this siTUaTIOn iS tHe PeoPlE WhO used To mAke the oBsolete
thiNgs ArE now out of a joB, AnD eventuallY geT employment sOmeWhere eLsE.
WhAT they Do _tHen_ coUnts foR ProducTivity. If tHeY Earn whAT they diD
BEfOre, yOu'd measure no changE In PRoductivity -- thoUgh we'd AlL Be BETteR
ofF.

The studieS iN the aRTicle asSErT THAt tHE size of the proDuctivity shORtfAll
is sO lArgE That evEn if wE pLAce Pretty generOus vAlues on alL this fREe
stuff WE have noW it doeSn't FulLy coVEr ThE gaP.

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cALinET6
COmpLEx sYstems neVeR gOt any SimpLER, ONly mOre CompLex.

CeRtain circles aRe bEginNIng To reaLize tHat tHe Main iSsues aRe humAn And
not technologIcal (lean, DeminG, KaIzEn, DEsIgn thINking, eTc).

SO thEre's youR answer. iNcrEaSING cOmplexity of work, witH uNCHaNged or at
Best slOWlY iNCreased aBiLitY to cOPE with It.

FoR A gReat overView anD InSiGht into ThIs shifT (aNd hOw tO tackLE it), cHeck
ouT Gen StanLey MccHrystal's book, "TeAM of Teams."

~~~
dilemMA
STANdARd WoRk iS an incredibLy inTEresTing COnCepT That I'Ve jusT sTArTEd
looking into for orgAnIzatioNal deSign.

~~~
calinet6
OnE of many conCEPTs needed TogeTHeR To create a high-fUnctiOning
organIZation.

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baConizEr
[off-topIc] aren't moBILe phones And TabLetS juST SuCking productiVITy ouT oF
mankinD, if Not slowIng It dOwn? Was WaTching old Movies frOm 90S wItH mY laDy
and WE both notIcEd hOw IntEractIVe ppl wEre in The bAcKgROunD, on streETs OR
In caFe, NoWadaYs eVeRy one Just DIveS into thEir mobile PhoNEs...

~~~
baDdOx
are you tAlking about ecOnOmic producTiVitY, or socIAL interacTion? Those are
two questionS With potEntIally Very Different AnsWers. AlSo, I THink thE
sociaL inteRaCtiON ArgumENT iS prEtTy weak. The gLOBal ConneCtEdneSs that
cOmes from the InterneT And Smartphones is, In mY opiNIOn, A huGE iMProVeMEnt
TO Social interactiOn in the worLd. i'M nOt that fussED if i'm At a restAurant
wIth frIEnds and Some are usIng their pHoNes.

~~~
bACOniZer
yes i immEdiately Realised wHAt you MEaNt aftEr mY reply, So i shOuld mArk my
wORds As off Topic. iT dId inspIred

alternative models that c apture the  intu iti vega in f romthings like th i s? O r
maybe such gains are  rare  a n d ne g li gible ?

~~~Y ok o Z arWh at  ha pp e ns  in t his  situat ion is the  pe op le who usedt omake the o bso lete
thingsare  now o ut  of a job , a nd ev entual l y getemploymen ts omewhe r e else. W ha t th ey do _then_ coun t sf or productivit y. Ifth e ye a rnwha t they did 
b efore ,  you'dm ea s u r e n o  change in pr oductivity- - t houghwe 'da ll bebette ro ff. 

The studi es i n the art icle a s sert th a t the s ize of  th e p rodu c ti vi tysh o rtf a ll 
is solarge th at  e ven i f we p l a ce p ret ty g enero us values onall  thi s  fr ee
st uff w e ha ve  nowit doe sn'tfu lly cover the g ap.
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c ali ne t6Co mplex system s n eve r got a ny simp l er,  o n l y  m ore complex.

Cert ai n ci rcles ar e begi n ni ng to reali ze  th at t h e  main  iss u es  are hum an and no ttechnol og ical ( Le an,  De ming, Kaiz en, De sign thi nking ,  etc).

So the r e's your answ e r. I nc r easi ngcomplexityof w o rk,with un cha n ged o r atbe s ts lowly increased abi li ty tocopewith it.

For  a great o v e r view and  ins i gh t  into this shi ft (a nd how tot ackle it ), ch eck
outGen Stanl e y  McChrys tal 'sboo k," T ea m of Teams."~ ~~
d il emma
St and ard Wor k i s a n i ncr ed ibly inte restingco nc ep ttha t I'v e  just st ar ted 
l ook ing i n to for  orga niza ti on a l d esign.~~ ~ cali ne t6 
One  of  m any c once p tsneededtogethertoc reat eahigh-fu nctioning
org an ization.
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baco n i zer
[off -topic] aren't mobile p h ones an d t ablet s ju st suckin g p roduct ivi t y outof
man kind,  i f n o t  slow i n gitdo wn? was wa t c hin g old  m ovie s from90s with my lady
a n d w e both notice d h ow i n t er act i ve ppl  w e rei n  the background , on stree ts or 
in cafe,n owa da ys ever y one j ust d i ves int o their m obile pho ne s... ~~~ 
baddox
Ar e you ta lking abo u t eco n om ic pr odu ctivit y,  or  soci al int e rac tion?  Those  a re
two  ques ti ons with  potentially very diffe rent a nswer s.Also, I t hin k  th e
socialinte raction ar gum ent  is p ret t y wea k. T h eglo b al co nnec t edness th a tcom e s  f rom the Int e r n etand s mar t phones  is,  in my opinion, a huge improveme nt
t o soc ial inte ra ction in the w orl d. I 'm not t ha t fussed if  I'm atar estau rant
w ith fr iends a n d  s o me are  usi ngtheir pho nes .~~~
bac on iz e r
yesi im me diatel y real i sedw h at you meant aft er my r eply, soI sho ul d markm y
wo rds as off  topic. itdid in spir ed

alternative models_that capture_the intuitive gain from_things like_this?_Or
maybe such_gains_are rare and_negligible?

~~~
YokoZar
What happens in_this situation is the_people who used_to_make the obsolete
things are now out of a job, and eventually get employment somewhere_else.
What_they do__then__counts_for productivity. If they earn_what they did
before, you'd measure_no change_in productivity -- though we'd all be better
off.

The_studies_in the article_assert that the size of the productivity shortfall
is so_large that even if we place_pretty generous values_on_all_this free
stuff we have_now it doesn't fully cover the_gap.

------
calinet6
Complex systems never got any simpler,_only more complex.

Certain circles are beginning to_realize that the main issues are_human and
not technological (Lean, Deming,_Kaizen, Design_thinking, etc).

So there's your answer._Increasing complexity of_work, with_unchanged or at
best_slowly increased ability to cope with_it.

For a great_overview and insight into this shift_(and_how to tackle_it),_check
out_Gen Stanley_McChrystal's book, "Team_of_Teams."

~~~
dilemma
Standard Work_is_an incredibly interesting concept that I've_just_started
looking into for organizational design.

~~~
calinet6
One of many_concepts needed together to_create_a high-functioning
organization.

------
baconizer
[off-topic] aren't mobile_phones and tablets just sucking_productivity out of
mankind, if not slowing_it down?_was watching_old movies from 90s with my lady
and we both noticed how_interactive ppl were in the background,_on streets or
in cafe,_nowadays every_one_just dives into_their_mobile phones...

~~~
baddox
Are_you talking about economic productivity, or social_interaction? Those_are
two questions with potentially very different_answers. Also, I think_the
social_interaction argument is pretty weak. The_global connectedness that
comes from the Internet_and smartphones is, in my_opinion,_a_huge improvement
to social interaction in_the world. I'm not that fussed_if I'm at_a restaurant
with friends and some are using_their_phones.

~~~
baconizer
yes i immediately realised what you_meant_after my reply, so I should_mark_my
words_as off topic. it did_inspired