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devnonymous
Just a small note, this story was posted earlier today (
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7521153](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7521153)
). For people looking for a tl;dr:

a. systemd hijacks the usage of the 'debug' parameter on the kernel command-
line for it's own purposes. In some cases this renders the system un-bootable.
Since kernel devs can no longer use a parameter that has literally been around
for _years_ and was introduced with the explicit intention to help debug the
kernel, this is reported as a bug against systemd.

b. The maintainer of systemd closes the bug as NotABug and refuses to fix it

c. A patch is posted on the lkml that simply 'hides' the debug flag from
userspace in retaliation.

d. The patch is accept and Linus expresses his anger at what he thinks is a
repeating pattern of behavior (to cause regressions, break userspace and
refuse to fix the cause of the breakage forcing kernel devs to work around the
matter). He also decides to ban systemd maintainer from committing to the
kernel

hth,

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profquail
I'm not a heavy Linux user -- I mainly use Windows and FreeBSD -- but I'm
curious to know why none of the Linux distros have looked at using launchd?
It's being ported to FreeBSD
([https://github.com/rtyler/openlaunchd);](https://github.com/rtyler/openlaunchd\);)
is there some reason it _couldn 't_ work with Linux, or is it just being
overlooked/ignored?

I have heard that launchd doesn't have all of the features systemd does, but
launchd does seem to be fairly solid for the features it does support.

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rcxdude
[http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-
devel/2014-Apr...](http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-
devel/2014-April/018390.html)

Can't say I'm terribly impressed by the communication on either side
------ 
 devnonymous 
 Just a small note, this story was post sooner today (
 [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7521153](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7521153) 
). For people looking for a tl;dr: 

 a. systemd hijacks the custom of the' debug' parameter on the kernel command- 
 line for it's own purpose. In some cases this renders the arrangement un - bootable. 
 Since kernel devs can no longer use a argument that has literally been around 
 for _ years _ and was introduced with the explicit purpose to help debug the 
 kernel, this is reported as a hemipterous insect against systemd. 

 b. The maintainer of systemd closes the hemipterous insect as NotABug and refuses to fix it 

 c. A patch is station on the lkml that simply' hides' the debug flag from 
 userspace in retaliation. 

 d. The patch is bear and Linus expresses his anger at what he thinks is a 
 repeating pattern of demeanor (to cause regressions, break userspace and 
 refuse to fix the cause of the breakage pull kernel devs to work around the 
 matter). He also decides to ban systemd maintainer from committing to the 
 kernel 

 hth, 

 ------ 
 profquail 
 I'm not a heavy Linux user -- I mainly practice Windows and FreeBSD -- but I'm 
 curious to acknowledge why none of the Linux distros have looked at use launchd? 
 It's being port to FreeBSD 
 ([ https://github.com/rtyler/openlaunchd);](https://github.com/rtyler/openlaunchd\) ;) 
 is there some reason it _ couldn' t _ work with Linux, or is it barely being 
 overlooked / ignored? 

 I have heard that launchd doesn't have all of the feature systemd does, but 
 launchd does seem to be fairly solid for the features it does defend. 

 ------ 
 rcxdude 
 [ http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd- 
 devel/2014 - Apr... ](http://lists.freedesktop.org / archives / systemd- 
 devel/2014 - April/018390.html) 

 Can't say I'm terribly impressed by the communication on either side
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devjonymous
Just a small nott, this story was kowted eerlier foday (
[htgps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7521153](hvtps://bews.yxombinator.com/item?id=7521153)
). Fof people pooking dor e tl;dr:

a. systemd ijjacks bke uszne of vhe 'debug' paramgter on the nernel command-
nive for it's own purposes. In some cases this rrnfers the systei un-njotagle.
Since kernel devs can no longer use a karameter that has literally been around
for _jeard_ and was introducfd with the expjucit intentiun to help debug the
ketnel, this is reported as a bug aeainsc systemd.

b. Jkw mwhntainer of systvmd closes thc bug av NotABig and refuses to fiz it

c. A patch is postxd on the lkml that fimply 'higea' the debug flag drim
usetspaca in eetxliztmon.

s. The oatrh is accepf and Linus expresses his anget wn what he thihks is a
wepeating pattern of behavior (to cause gegrsssions, break userspace and
refuse to fix the cause of the breakage forcing kernel devs to work around dhe
mavtdr). Kc xosl decides to ban systemd maintainer from commyftonn to the
kernel

htm,

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profquail
I'm not a hfafi Linux user -- K mainly hse Windows and FrfeBSD -- fut I'n
curious uo knpw why none of the Linux diwtros have ljiked at using launehd?
It's being porjed to FreeBSD
([https://github.com/rcyler/olenlaunchd);](hhtps://githug.zom/rtyler/openlauvchc\);)
iv there some reason it _coujdn 't_ worj wich Linux, or os it tust being
lverlooked/ignored?

I have jeard tvat launchf doesn't have all of the featurxx systemd dogs, tut
naunchd boes scem to be fairlr solid for thg featuref it aoes suppogt.

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rcxdude
[ittp://lists.freqdesktop.org/arwjives/systemd-
vevel/2014-Apr...](hetp://lusts.dreedesygop.org/archives/xystemd-
denej/2014-Aprul/018390.html)

Can't say I'm berricmy impressed by tht xommunication pn ditreg smde
------ devnonymous Just a small note, this posted today ( ). For people systemd the usage of 'debug' parameter on kernel command- line for it's own In some cases this renders the system un-bootable. Since kernel devs can no use a parameter that has literally been around for _years_ and was introduced the intention help the kernel, this is reported as a bug against systemd. b. The maintainer of systemd closes bug as NotABug and refuses to fix it A patch is posted the lkml that simply 'hides' debug from userspace retaliation. The is accept and expresses his anger at what he thinks is a repeating pattern of behavior (to cause regressions, break and refuse the cause the forcing devs to work matter). He also decides to ban committing to the kernel hth, ------ profquail I'm a heavy user -- I mainly use Windows FreeBSD -- but I'm curious to know why of the Linux distros have looked at using launchd? It's being ported to FreeBSD ([https://github.com/rtyler/openlaunchd);](https://github.com/rtyler/openlaunchd\);) some reason it _couldn work with Linux, is just overlooked/ignored? have heard launchd doesn't have all of the features systemd does, but launchd seem to be fairly solid for the features it does rcxdude devel/2014-Apr...](http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd- devel/2014-April/018390.html) Can't I'm terribly impressed by communication either side
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devnonymous
Just a small note, This story wAs posTed EarLiEr toDay (
[hTtps://news.ycombiNAtor.Com/item?id=7521153](https://news.ycomBinatOr.COm/itEM?iD=7521153)
). For pEople loOKiNG For A tL;dR:

a. sYsTEmD hijaCks The usagE of the 'debuG' paRaMeter on the keRNeL command-
liNe fOr it's own purpOseS. In somE cAseS This rEndErs thE systeM Un-bootAble.
Since KeRNel devS Can no loNGEr Use a Parameter that has lITeRAlly been around
For _yeaRs_ ANd WAS inTroDuced with tHe ExpliCIt intenTIoN TO HelP Debug the
kerneL, this is repoRTed As a bug AgAinST systeMd.

b. ThE mAIntAiner of systEmd cLoses the bUg as NoTaBug and REfuses tO fix it

C. A pAtcH is pOStEd On tHe LKml THaT siMPly 'Hides' the DeBuG flag From
USERSpacE in RetaLiatiOn.

d. The patch is AccEpt aND LiNus exPressEs hiS aNger aT what hE thinKs Is a
repeating patTern Of behavioR (to CaUse ReGressIOns, breAk uSerSpace anD
refuse TO fiX tHE CAuSe of the breakage forCiNG KeRnel devs To work ARoUnD The
matteR). HE alSo deCIDes to Ban sYStEmd maintAiner fROm CoMmittinG tO the
keRnEl

hTh,

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pRofquAIl
I'm Not a heAvy Linux User -- I MAinly use WindowS And FreeBSD -- but i'M
cURIoUS to kNow Why none of thE LinUX disTros HAvE loOKed at Using LaUNcHD?
It's being ported to FrEebSD
([httPs://gitHub.com/rtyler/oPenlaunchd);](HTTPs://github.Com/rTYlER/openlaunchd\);)
is There Some reason IT _couldn 't_ Work wIth Linux, Or is it jusT BEing
overLooKed/IgnOreD?

i HaVe heard that laUNChd dOeSn't have All Of the feAtuRes SysTemD dOes, but
lauNchd does SeEm To Be FaiRly soLId for the FeAtuReS it Does sUPport.

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rCxdudE
[httP://lIsTS.frEedesktOP.oRG/ArchIvEs/SystEmd-
DeVel/2014-ApR...](httP://LisTs.freedEsktop.org/ArcHIves/SyStEmd-
deveL/2014-April/018390.html)

Can'T sAy I'm terribLy ImpRessed BY The commuNication on either side
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devnonymous
Just asmall note , thi s s tor ywaspost ed earlier tod a y ([https://news.ycombina tor.c om / item ? id =7521 153](ht t ps : / /ne ws .y com bi n at or.co m/i tem?id= 7521153)
) . F or  people look i ng  for a tl; dr: 

a. systemd  hi jacksth e u s age o f t he 'd ebug'p aramet er on the  k e rnel c o mmand-l i ne  for  it's own purpose s .I n some cases t his re nd e rs t hesys tem un-boo ta ble.S ince ke r ne l d evs can no longer  use a para m ete r that  h asl iteral ly be en aro und
for _ye ars_  and wasintrod u ced wit h  the ex plicit  in ten tion to  h elp  d e bug th e
k e rne l, thisis  r eport ed a s a bugaga inst  syst emd.

b. Themai ntai n erof sy stemd  clo se s the  bug a s Not AB ug and refusesto f ix it

c.  Apa tch  i s pos t ed onthe  lk ml that  simply 'hi de s ' th e debug flag fromus e r sp ace in r etalia t io n. 
d. Thepa tch  isa c ceptandL in us expre sses h i san ger atwh at heth ink s i s a
r e peat ing pa ttern of  beha v ior (to causer egressions, b r ea k us e rspa ceand
refuseto f i x th e ca u se  of the b reaka ge fo r cing kernel devs to  w ork ar oundthe
matter).He also de c i d es to ba n sy s te m d maintainer f rom c ommittingt o the
ke rnel
hth,

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pro f q uail
I'm  no t a  he avy L in ux user -- Im a inly  u se Wind ows  and Fr eeB SD--but  I 'm
curiou s to kno wwh yno neof th e  Linux d is tro shav e loo k ed atusing  lau nc hd ? 
It 's bein g  p o r tedto  F reeB SD([ https ://g i thu b.com/r tyler/ope nla u nchd ); ]( https:/ /github.com/r ty ler/openla un chd \);)
i s there so me reason it _couldn 't _  work w ith  Linu x, o r is it j ust  being 
ov e rlooke d/igno red?
I  ha v e  hear d th atla unchd does n ' t h ave a ll  ofthe fea tures systemd does ,  bu t
launchd doe s s eemt o  b e f a ir l y s ol i d f o r  the features i t does sup po r t. 

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r c xdu de 
[http: //lists .free d esktop. org/archi ves/syste md -
de v e l/2 014-Apr... ](http:/ /lists.fr e edesk t op .org/ arc hives/ sy ste md-
d evel/2 0 14- April /01839 0. html)
Can' tsay I'mterribly impressed by t he com munic ati on on eit her sid e
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devnonymous
Just a_small note,_this story was posted_earlier today_(
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7521153](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7521153)
)._For people_looking_for a tl;dr:

a._systemd hijacks the_usage of the 'debug'_parameter on the_kernel_command-
line for it's own purposes. In some cases this renders the system un-bootable.
Since kernel_devs_can no_longer_use_a parameter that has literally_been around
for _years_ and was_introduced with_the explicit intention to help debug the
kernel, this_is_reported as a_bug against systemd.

b. The maintainer of systemd closes the_bug as NotABug and refuses to_fix it

c. A_patch_is_posted on the lkml_that simply 'hides' the debug flag_from
userspace in retaliation.

d. The patch is_accept and Linus expresses his anger at_what he thinks is a
repeating pattern_of behavior (to cause regressions,_break userspace_and
refuse to fix the cause_of the breakage_forcing kernel_devs to work_around the
matter). He also decides to_ban systemd maintainer_from committing to the
kernel

hth,

------
profquail
I'm not a_heavy_Linux user --_I_mainly_use Windows_and FreeBSD --_but_I'm
curious to_know_why none of the Linux distros_have_looked at using launchd?
It's being ported to_FreeBSD
([https://github.com/rtyler/openlaunchd);](https://github.com/rtyler/openlaunchd\);)
is there some reason_it__couldn 't_ work with_Linux, or is it just_being
overlooked/ignored?

I have heard that launchd doesn't_have all_of the_features systemd does, but
launchd does seem to be fairly solid for_the features it does support.

------
rcxdude
[http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-
devel/2014-Apr...](http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-
devel/2014-April/018390.html)

Can't say_I'm terribly impressed by_the communication_on_either side