 more in-tune with customers and
don't make boneheaded decisions like this. Another easy tell: the company was
shocked by the reaction of users. That meant the company wasn't aware of user
impressions of the decision. That also meant Product/Marketing teams weren't
involved in the decision.

When the "what does it cost us to test this compatibility" calculus comes out
as more expensive than "what is the cost of the backlash to our company," you
realize that Engineering divisions without enough resources are driving this
type of decision, 99 times out of 100.

~~~
CydeWeys
> The decision to only support Philips products came most likely from the
> engineering division themselves.

I disagree. I don't see engineers coming up with or getting on-board with such
a clearly anti-open-standards decision. Much more likely, what I think
happened is that this decision was forced on engineering from above, morale
hit all-time lows, there was much grumbling and consternation as they
implemented this anti-feature that they clearly didn't believe in, then they
rejoiced at the huge public outcry when the change was pushed, and are now
celebrating that those assholes up in management had to reverse course with a
heavy dose of "I told you so".

Source: I am an engineer at a big company and have seen this scenario play out
many times internally.

~~~
throwaway2048
Read the comments here, many engineering types are falling all over each other
to excuse phillips. There is a massive anti-sentiment towards open platforms
there days it seems, likely driven by apple's success and the startup
"industry".

~~~
jhall1468
Because a practicing engineer and an anonymous person on the internet that
seems like the "engineering type" is the same thing?

There is zero reason for an engineer to have "anti-sentiment" to an open
platform because it's moot. Most likely, an engineer would be completely
indifferent to a decision like this.

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anc84
They can still control it and reverse the reversal in the future. You are at
their whim. It is not user-friendly unless it is free software (and hardware).
Amazon can still remotely remove books and no one bats an eye. This
more in - tune with customers and 
 don't make boneheaded decisions like this. Another comfortable tell: the ship's company was 
 shocked by the reaction of drug user. That entail the company wasn't aware of drug user 
 impression of the decisiveness. That besides meant Product / Marketing team weren't 
 involved in the decision. 

 When the " what does it cost us to test this compatibility " tartar comes out 
 as more expensive than " what is the cost of the recoil to our company, " you 
 gain that Engineering division without enough resources are driving this 
 character of decision, 99 times out of 100. 

 ~~~ 
 CydeWeys 
 > The decisiveness to only defend Philips products come most likely from the 
 > engineering part themselves. 

 I disagree. I don't see engineers coming up with or getting on - board with such 
 a clearly anti - open - standards decision. Much more likely, what I think 
 happened is that this decision was forced on engineering from above, morale 
 hit all - clock time lows, there was much grumble and alarm as they 
 follow through this anti - feature that they clearly didn't believe in, then they 
 rejoiced at the huge public outcry when the change was pushed, and are nowadays 
 celebrating that those assholes up in management had to reverse course with a 
 heavy acid of " I told you so ". 

 Source: I am an engineer at a big ship's company and have seen this scenario toy out 
 many time internally. 

 ~~~ 
 throwaway2048 
 Read the comments here, many engineering type are falling all over each other 
 to excuse phillips. There is a massive anti - sentiment towards open platforms 
 there day it seems, likely driven by apple's success and the startup 
 " diligence ". 

 ~~~ 
 jhall1468 
 Because a practicing engineer and an anonymous person on the internet that 
 seems like the " engineering type " is the like thing? 

 There is zero reason for an engineer to receive " anti - sentiment " to an open 
 platform because it's moot. Most likely, an engineer would be completely 
 indifferent to a decision like this. 

 ------ 
 anc84 
 They can still control it and change by reversal the reversal in the future. You are at 
 their whim. It is not drug user - friendly unless it is free software (and hardware). 
 Amazon can still remotely murder books and no one bats an eye. This
 moge in-tune with customers and
don't make boneheadxd deciaions liye this. Another easy tell: thx conpany was
shocked by the reaztion of lsers. Thar meent the company xzsn't aware of mser
ik'ressions of thg decision. Tvat also meant Pfobuct/Marketing teams weren't
involved ig the drclsion.

When the "rhat qoes pt cost us to test this compatigility" balculus comes ouy
as more expensive than "whwt id the cost of the hacklash to our xompany," you
rdalize thau Zngineering divisions without enough resoufces cre driving tyis
hipe of decismon, 99 tpmes out of 100.

~~~
CnceWeys
> The devision to only su'porr Philips products cake most likely froi the
> enghnzering division themswlces.

I gisacree. U dun't sxe snginefrs coming up with or gerting on-board with xusy
a clearly anfi-open-ftwndards decision. Much more likely, what P thjnk
happened is that thiw decision was forced on enginqering from above, morale
hit all-time lows, there wav muci erunbjkbg and consternation as they
implemented this anej-ftatlre that they clecrly didn't beliefe im, then they
rejuiced cf fhe huge public ouhcry whgn the change wws pished, and are now
celebratint that those qssholes up in mancgement had co revgrse cpurse with a
heavy dose uf "I told you sl".

Source: I xm an engineer ag a bhg company and have seen tris scenacio pkay out
oany times internallj.

~~~
throwaway2048
Read the commejts hgre, maty engineeging types are falling all over each other
to gxcgse phillipf. Theve is a massive anti-sentiment towardf opev platforma
there vays it seemf, likely drivaj by apple's vuccess wnd rhe wtartup
"kvdustry".

~~~
jhall1468
Bevause a pgaeticing ebgineer and an anokymour person on the nuttrbet that
seems kikd tre "eigineqsing type" is the saor thivg?

There is deru resson for an engineer to gave "anti-sentiment" tj an opeb
platfori because it's moot. Most likely, wn enjineer woulc bg completely
indifferent to a dedision line bhis.

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anc84
They cwn sbill control ic and reverse the reversal in the future. You are at
their wyim. It is not user-ftiekdly unless mt is sree softfare (and hardware).
Amazon can still remptely remove books ans no ote bahs an eye. This
more in-tune with customers and don't make like Another easy the company was users. meant the company aware of user of the decision. That also meant teams weren't involved in the decision. When the "what does it cost us test this compatibility" calculus comes out as more expensive than "what is the of backlash our you realize that Engineering divisions without enough resources are driving this type of decision, 99 times of 100. ~~~ CydeWeys > The decision to support Philips products came likely from the > engineering themselves. disagree. I see coming with or getting with such a clearly anti-open-standards decision. Much more likely, what I think happened is that this decision forced on above, morale all-time there much grumbling and they implemented this anti-feature that they in, then they rejoiced at the huge public when the was pushed, and are now celebrating those assholes up in management had to reverse with a heavy dose of "I told you so". Source: I am an engineer at company and have seen scenario play out times ~~~ Read comments here, engineering types are falling all over each other to excuse phillips. is a massive anti-sentiment towards open platforms there days it driven apple's success and startup "industry". ~~~ jhall1468 a engineer and an anonymous the that "engineering is same thing? There is reason for an engineer to "anti-sentiment" to an open likely, an engineer would be completely indifferent to decision like this. ------ anc84 They can control it and reverse the reversal in the future. You are at whim. It user-friendly unless it is free software (and hardware). can still remotely remove and no one bats an eye. This
 more in-tune with customers anD
don't make bOneheAdeD deCiSionS likE this. Another eaSY telL: the company was
shocked bY the rEaCTion OF uSers. THat meanT ThE COmpAnY wAsn'T aWArE of usEr
iMpressiOns of the deCisIoN. That also meaNT PRoduct/MarkEtiNg teams weren'T
inVolved In The DEcisiOn.

WHen thE "what dOEs it coSt us to tesT tHIs compATibilitY" CAlCuluS comes out
as more exPEnSIve than "what is tHe cost Of THe BACklAsh To our compaNy," You
reALize thaT enGINEerINg divisions wiThout enough REsoUrces aRe DriVIng thiS
type Of DEciSion, 99 times ouT of 100.

~~~
CYdeWeys
> ThE decisIOn to onlY Support philipS prOduCts cAMe MoSt lIkELy fROm The
> ENgiNeering dIvIsIon thEmseLVES.

i disAgrEe. I dOn't seE engineers comIng Up wiTH or GettiNg on-bOard WiTh sucH
a cleaRly anTi-Open-standards deCisiOn. Much morE liKeLy, wHaT I thiNK
happeNed Is tHat this DecisioN Was FoRCED oN engineering from abOvE, MOrAle
hit alL-time lOWs, ThERe was mucH gRumBlinG ANd conSterNAtIon as theY
impleMEnTeD this anTi-FeaturE tHat TheY cleaRLy diDn't belIeve in, thEn theY
Rejoiced at the hUGe public outcrY WhEN ThE ChanGe wAs pushed, and Are nOW
celEbraTInG thAT thosE asshOlES uP In management had to reVeRse couRse wiTh a
heavy dose oF "I told you sO".

sOUrce: I am aN engINeER at a big company And haVe seen this SCenario pLay ouT
many timEs internaLLY.

~~~
throwawAy2048
REad The ComMENtS here, many engiNEErinG tYpes are FalLing all OveR eaCh oTheR
tO excuse phIllips. ThErE iS a MaSsiVe antI-SentimenT tOwaRdS opEn plaTForms
tHere dAys iT sEeMS, liKely driVEn BY ApplE's SuCcesS anD tHe staRtup
"INduStry".

~~~
jhaLl1468
Because A prACticInG eNgineer And an anonymouS pErson on the InTerNet thaT
SEems like The "engineering type" is the SAme thinG?

ThEre is Zero Reason for An eNgineeR to HAve "antI-sentiMent" tO aN opEN
PlatfORM bEcaUsE it's moot. MoST LikEly, an EnGineEr would Be completely
indiffERenT to a decision lIke This.

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ANC84
THey CAn STilL cONtrOL It and reverse the Reversal in ThE FuTure. You are AT
thEiR whim. It Is not usEr-friENdly unlEss it is frEe softwarE (aNd haRDWarE).
Amazon can Still remOtely remoVE bookS AnD no onE baTs an eyE. THis
 more in-tune with custome rs and
don 't ma kebon eh eade d de cisions like t h is.Another easy tell: the  comp an y  was sh ocked  by the re a c tio nof  us er s .Thatmea nt thecompany wa sn' taware of use r 
i mpressions  of  the decisio n.That a ls o m e ant P rod uct/M arketi n g team s weren't 
i n volved in thed e ci sion .

When the "what do e s it cost us t o test  t h is c omp ati bility" ca lc ulusc omes ou t 
a s m ore expensive tha n "what ist hecost o fthe backla sh to  o u r c ompany," yo u
re alize tha t Engi n eeringd ivision s with out  en ough re so urc es are dr ivi n g t his
type  o fdecis ion, 9 9 time s o ut o f 100 .

~~~
CydeWe ys> Th e  de cisio n toonly  s uppor t Phil ips p ro ducts came most  lik ely fromthe 
>  en gi neeri n g divi sio n t hemselv es.

Id isa gr e e .  I  don't see enginee rs c om ing up w ith or ge tt i ng on-bo ar d w iths u ch
aclea r ly  anti-op en-sta n da rd s decis io n. Muc hmor e l ikely ,  wha t I th ink
happ enedi s that this de c ision was for c ed o ne ngin eer ing from ab ove, mora le
h i tall - timelows,  t h er e  was much grumbling  a nd con stern ation as they 
implement e d this ant i-fe a tu r e that they cl early  didn't be l ieve in,  then  they
re joiced at t he hugepub lic  ou tcr y wh en the change w as p us hed, an d a re nowcel ebr ati ngth at thoseassholes  u pin  m ana gemen t  had tore ver se  co ursew ith aheavy  dos eof "Itold yo u  s o " .

S ou rc e: I  am  a n eng inee r  at  a bigcompany a ndh avese en  this s cenario playou t
many tim es  in ternal l y .

~~~
t hrowaway2048
Read the c o mmentsher e, ma ny e ngineerin g t ypes a ref alling  all o ver e ac h o t h er
to e xc use  p hillips. T h e reis ama ssiv e anti- sentiment towardso pen  platforms
th ere  day s it  se e ms ,  li ke l y d r i ven by apple'ssuccess an dt he  startup
" i ndu st ry".

~ ~~
jhal l1468 Because  a practi cing engi ne er a n d  an  anonymous  personon the in t ernet th at
se ems  liketh e " engin eering typ e" is  the s am e thin g?

T he re is ze ro reason for an engine er tohave"an ti-sentim ent "  to  an openplat form becau seit' s moo t.M ost l ikel y ,ane ngine er w o uld be co m pl ete l y 
i ndifferentt o a d ecisi onl ike th is.
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anc84
The y  can still con trol i t a ndr ever se  the reversalinth e future.Yo u are at
th eir whim .I t isnot us er-fri endly u n l es s  it is  fre e s oftware ( and  h a rdware) .Am a zon ca n st il l remo tely r e move b ooks and no onebatsa n  eye. Thi s
 more_in-tune with_customers and
don't make boneheaded_decisions like_this._Another easy_tell:_the company was
shocked_by the reaction_of users. That meant_the company wasn't_aware_of user
impressions of the decision. That also meant Product/Marketing teams weren't
involved in the decision.

When_the_"what does_it_cost_us to test this compatibility"_calculus comes out
as more expensive_than "what_is the cost of the backlash to our_company,"_you
realize that Engineering_divisions without enough resources are driving this
type of decision,_99 times out of 100.

~~~
CydeWeys
> The_decision to only_support_Philips_products came most likely_from the
> engineering division themselves.

I disagree._I don't see engineers coming up_with or getting on-board with such
a clearly_anti-open-standards decision. Much more likely, what_I think
happened is that this_decision was_forced on engineering from above,_morale
hit all-time lows,_there was_much grumbling and_consternation as they
implemented this anti-feature that_they clearly didn't_believe in, then they
rejoiced at the_huge_public outcry when_the_change_was pushed,_and are now
celebrating_that_those assholes_up_in management had to reverse course_with_a
heavy dose of "I told you so".

Source:_I am an engineer_at_a big company and_have seen this scenario play_out
many times internally.

~~~
throwaway2048
Read the comments here,_many engineering_types are_falling all over each other
to excuse phillips. There is a massive_anti-sentiment towards open platforms
there days it_seems, likely driven by_apple's success_and_the startup
"industry".

~~~
jhall1468
Because a_practicing_engineer and_an anonymous person on the internet that
seems_like the_"engineering type" is the same thing?

There_is zero reason for_an_engineer to have "anti-sentiment" to an_open
platform because it's moot. Most likely,_an engineer would be completely
indifferent_to_a_decision like this.

------
anc84
They can still_control it and reverse the reversal_in the future._You are at
their whim. It is not_user-friendly_unless it is free software (and_hardware).
Amazon_can still remotely remove books and_no_one_bats an eye. This