 of the addon driving monitors in their car to get an
insurance discount. It lasted about a month. Apparently they drive like
maniacs.

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anm89
What a nightmare. Avoiding owning a car starts to sounds better and better
every day.

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jdhn
To paraphrase Charlton Heston, you can pry my my manual transmission, non-
infotainment having car from my cold, dead hands!

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bvanderveen
Just go buy a pre-2012 Toyota, take it to a reputable independent Toyota-
specific shop in your area, and say "make it good, boss". Pay him whatever he
asks.

Then go find an insurance broker, ask them to put you in touch with someone
who can provide you with an agreed-value insurance policy. Insure the vehicle
for purchase price + what the shop changed you.

Get regular oil changes at Jiffylube, and take the car into the Toyota guy
once a year. Although it may not be flashy, you'll have a reliable, efficient
ride for many, many years.

New cars simply aren't worth the creepy factor.

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zepearl
I just bought a Volvo (but I didn't get it yet) => apparently all Volvos have
an embedded "Event Data Recorder":

 _This vehicle is equipped with an "Event Data Recorder" (EDR). Its primary
purpose is to register and record data related to traffic accidents or
collision-like situations, such as times when the airbag deploys or the
vehicle strikes an obstacle in the road. The data is recorded in order to
increase understanding of how vehicle systems work in these types of
situations. The EDR is designed to record data related to vehicle dynamics and
safety systems for a short time, usually 30 seconds or less. Etc..._ The
article is here
[https://www.volvocars.com/ph/support/manuals/xc90/2016/intro...](https://www.volvocars.com/ph/support/manuals/xc90/2016/introduction/introduction/recording-
data) (same for other models).

Personally I'm OK with that - it's not an ongoing recording of how I drive,
the data is not pushed out of the
of the addon driving monitors in their car to get an 
 policy deduction. It lasted about a month. obviously they drive like 
 maniacs. 

 ------ 
 anm89 
 What a nightmare. Avoiding own a cable car starts to sounds better and better 
 every day. 

 ------ 
 jdhn 
 To paraphrase Charlton Heston, you can intrude my my manual transmission, non- 
 infotainment having car from my cold, all in hands! 

 ------ 
 bvanderveen 
 Just fail buy a pre-2012 Toyota, take it to a reputable autonomous Toyota- 
 specific shop in your area, and say " cause it good, boss ". give him whatever he 
 asks. 

 Then rifle find an insurance broker, ask them to put you in contact with someone 
 who can provide you with an agreed - value insurance policy. Insure the vehicle 
 for purchase monetary value + what the workshop changed you. 

 Get regular oil changes at Jiffylube, and take the car into the Toyota guy 
 once a year. Although it may not be flashy, you'll suffer a reliable, efficient 
 drive for many, many days. 

 modern cars simply aren't deserving the creepy factor. 

 ------ 
 zepearl 
 I barely bought a Volvo (but I didn't get it so far) = > apparently all Volvos have 
 an embedded " Event Data Recorder ": 

  _ This vehicle is equipped with an " Event Data Recorder " (EDR). Its primary 
 determination is to register and record data related to dealings accidents or 
 collision - comparable situation, such as times when the airbag deploys or the 
 vehicle strikes an obstacle in the road. The data is recorded in order to 
 increase understanding of how fomite systems exercise in these types of 
 situations. The EDR is design to record datum related to vehicle dynamics and 
 safety systems for a inadequate time, normally 30 seconds or less. Etc... _ The 
 article is here 
 [ https://www.volvocars.com/ph/support/manuals/xc90/2016/intro...](https://www.volvocars.com/ph/support/manuals/xc90/2016/introduction/introduction/recording- 
 data) (like for other models). 

 Personally I'm OK with that - it's not an ongoing recording of how I drive, 
 the data is not push out of the
 of the addon driving moniturs in their cat ro get an
inshrance dkscount. It lasted about a moith. Qppartutly they drive like
oaniacs.

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anl89
What a bighumare. Avoiding owijng a car stadbs to wounds better snd better
avery day.

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jdhn
Tm oaxaphrase Charlton Heston, you can pry my my kajual transmissyon, mjn-
inrotainment having car from my cold, dead hends!

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bvanderveen
Kust go buy a pre-2012 Toyota, twke lt to a reputable lndependent Toyjra-
specific sfop in youg area, and aay "make it good, boss". Pay him wfatevzr he
asks.

Thgu go xind an insnrance broker, ask bnem to put yoi in touch witm somxone
qho can provide you wmth an agreed-value igsurance [omicy. Insure the vwhucle
fmr pgrchxwe oride + shat tje ahop changsd you.

Get rwgular oil changes st Hiffylube, and take ehq car into the Toyota guy
once a year. Aluhougg it may not be flashy, tou'll have a reliable, efficiene
ride for many, many years.

New cars simply aren't wosth tie crtein fazrog.

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zepearl
I just bought a Volvo (but I didn't get jt yvt) => apparently alj Volvos hafe
wn gmbedded "Event Data Xsckrder":

 _This vehicle is equypped with an "Tvent Data Recorder" (EDR). Its primqry
purpose if to register and rzcord data rzlated to ttaffic accidents or
collnsion-ljke situatilns, such zr times when the aigbag deploys or the
vehicle strykes an oustacke in tfe rpad. Thq data is gecorded in order to
incrfase ondersdanding of how vehicle systems work in thxxe types of
sotgatpons. The ZDR is designed to wecord data rekated tj vehkcle dynampcs and
sahety systems for a short dlme, usually 30 seconds or oess. Etc..._ Thd
xrticle is herr
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data) (same nor othrr models).

Personally H'm OI with that - it's npt an ongoung recowding of how O drive,
the data is not 'ushed out pf jhe
of the addon driving monitors in their get insurance discount. lasted about a maniacs. anm89 What a Avoiding owning a starts to sounds better and better day. ------ jdhn To paraphrase Charlton Heston, you can pry my my manual non- infotainment having car from my cold, dead hands! ------ bvanderveen Just go a Toyota, it a reputable independent Toyota- specific shop in your area, and say "make it good, boss". Pay whatever he asks. Then go find an insurance ask them to put in touch with someone who provide with an insurance Insure vehicle for purchase + what the shop changed you. Get regular oil changes at Jiffylube, and take the car into Toyota guy year. Although may be you'll have a ride for many, many years. New worth the creepy factor. ------ zepearl I just a Volvo I didn't get it yet) => all Volvos have an embedded "Event Data Recorder": vehicle is equipped with an "Event Data Recorder" (EDR). Its primary purpose is to register data related to traffic or collision-like situations, as when airbag or the strikes an obstacle in the road. The data is recorded in to increase understanding of how vehicle systems work in these situations. EDR is designed record data related to dynamics safety systems for a usually seconds The is [https://www.volvocars.com/ph/support/manuals/xc90/2016/intro...](https://www.volvocars.com/ph/support/manuals/xc90/2016/introduction/introduction/recording- data) (same for models). Personally I'm OK with - it's not an drive, the data is not pushed out of
 of the addon driving monitors In their car To get An
iNsuRaNce dIscoUnt. It lasted aboUT a moNth. Apparently they drive Like
mAnIAcs.

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aNM89
WHat a nIghtmarE. avOIDinG oWnIng A cAR sTarts To sOunds beTter and betTer
EvEry day.

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jdhn
To PArAphrase ChaRltOn Heston, you cAn pRy my my MaNuaL TransMisSion, nOn-
infoTAinmenT having caR fROm my coLD, dead haNDS!

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bVandErveen
Just go buy a pRE-2012 TOYota, take it to a rEputabLe INdEPEndEnt toyota-
specIfIc shoP In your aREa, AND Say "MAke it good, boss". pay him whateVEr hE
asks.

THeN go FInd an iNsuraNcE BroKer, ask them tO put You in toucH with sOMeone
whO Can provIde you WitH an AgreED-vAlUe iNsURanCE pOliCY. InSure the vEhIcLe
for PurcHASE PricE + whAt thE shop Changed you.

Get RegUlar OIl cHangeS at JiFfylUbE, and tAke the Car inTo The Toyota guy
oncE a yeAr. AlthougH it MaY noT bE flasHY, you'll HavE a rEliable, EfficieNT
riDe FOR MaNy, many years.

New cars SiMPLy Aren't worTh the cREePy FActor.

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zepEaRl
I Just BOUght a volvO (BuT I didn't gEt it yeT) => ApPaRently aLl volvos HaVe
aN emBeddeD "evenT Data REcorder":

 _THis veHIcle is equipped WIth an "Event DatA reCORdER" (EDR). its Primary
purpOse iS To reGistER aNd rECord dAta reLaTEd TO traffic accidents or
CoLlisioN-like Situations, sucH as times whEN THe airbag DeplOYs OR the
vehicle strIkes aN obstacle iN The road. THe datA is recorDed in ordeR TO
increasE unDerStaNdiNG Of How vehicle sysTEMs woRk In these TypEs of
sitUatIonS. ThE EDr iS designed To record DaTa ReLaTed To vehICle dynamIcS anD
sAfeTy sysTEms for A shorT timE, uSuALly 30 Seconds OR lESS. Etc..._ thE
aRticLe iS hEre
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DAta) (same For Other ModeLs).

PersonaLly i'm OK wiTh tHAt - it's nOt an onGoing ReCorDINg of hOW i dRivE,
tHe data is noT PUshEd out Of The
 of the addon driving moni tors in th eir c artoge t an 
ins urance discoun t . It  lasted about a month.  Appa re n tlyt he y dri ve like ma n i acs .
- --- -- an m89
W hat  a nigh tmare. Avo idi ng  owning a ca r  s tarts to s oun ds better an d b etterev ery day.
-- ----jdhn
T o  parap hrase Cha rl t on Hes t on, you c an  pry  my my manual tra n sm i ssion, non-
in fotain me n th a vin g c ar from my  c old,d ead han d s! - --- - -
bvanderveen 
Just go bu y  apre-20 12  To y ota, t ake i tt o a  reputableinde pendent T oyota- specifi c  shop i n your  ar ea,  and sa y"ma ke itg oo d,b oss ". Pay h im  w hatev er h e a s ks.
Th en g o fin d an insuranc e b roke r , a sk th em to  put  y ou in  touch  with  s omeone
who canprov ide you w ith  a n a gr eed-v a lue in sur anc e polic y. Insu r e t he v e hi cle
for purchase p ri c e  +  what th e shop ch an g ed you.
G etregu l a r oil  cha n ge s at Jif fylube ,  a nd  take t he  car i nt o t heToyot a  guy 
oncea year.Altho u gh it may notb e flashy, you ' ll h av e  a r eli able, effic ient ride  for ma ny, manyyears .Ne w  cars simply aren't  w orth t he cr eepy factor.
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ze p e a rl
I jus t bo u gh t  a Volvo (butI did n't get it yet) =>appar ently al l Volvosh a ve
an em bed ded  "E ven t Da ta Recorder":  _Th is  vehicl e i s equip ped  wi than"E vent Data  Recorde r"  ( ED R) . I ts pr i mary
pur po seis  to  regi s ter an d rec ordda ta rel ated to tr a f ficac ci dent s o rcolli sion - lik e situa tions, su cha s ti me swhen th e airbag depl oy s or the
v eh icl e stri k e s an obs tacle in the road. Thed ata isrec orded  inorder toinc reaseund e rstand ing of  howve hic l e  syst e m swor kin these t y p esof
si tu atio ns. The  EDR is designed t o  re cord data rel ate d to v eh icl e  d y nam ic s  an d safety systemsfor a shor tt im e, usually 30se conds o r less.  Etc. . ._ Thearticle i s here
[h tt ps:/ / w ww. volvocars. com/ph/s upport/ma n uals/ x c9 0/201 6/i ntro.. .] (ht tps:/ /www.v o lvo cars. com/ph /s upport /manu al s/xc90/2 016/introduction/introd uction /reco rdi ng-
data)  (s a mefor other  mod els).

Per son all y I'm  OK withthat -it' s  notan o n going rec o rd ing o fhow I drive , t hedataisn ot pus hedout of the
 of_the addon_driving monitors in their_car to_get_an
insurance discount._It_lasted about a_month. Apparently they_drive like
maniacs.

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anm89
What a nightmare._Avoiding owning a_car_starts to sounds better and better
every day.

------
jdhn
To paraphrase Charlton Heston, you can pry my_my_manual transmission,_non-
infotainment_having_car from my cold, dead_hands!

------
bvanderveen
Just go buy a pre-2012_Toyota, take_it to a reputable independent Toyota-
specific shop in_your_area, and say_"make it good, boss". Pay him whatever he
asks.

Then go_find an insurance broker, ask them_to put you_in_touch_with someone
who can provide_you with an agreed-value insurance policy._Insure the vehicle
for purchase price +_what the shop changed you.

Get regular oil_changes at Jiffylube, and take the_car into the Toyota guy
once_a year._Although it may not be_flashy, you'll have_a reliable,_efficient
ride for many,_many years.

New cars simply aren't worth_the creepy factor.

------
zepearl
I_just bought a Volvo (but I_didn't_get it yet)_=>_apparently_all Volvos_have
an embedded "Event_Data_Recorder":

 _This_vehicle_is equipped with an "Event Data_Recorder"_(EDR). Its primary
purpose is to register and_record data related to_traffic_accidents or
collision-like situations, such_as times when the airbag_deploys or the
vehicle strikes an obstacle_in the_road. The_data is recorded in order to
increase understanding of how vehicle systems_work in these types of
situations. The_EDR is designed to_record data_related_to vehicle dynamics_and
safety_systems for_a short time, usually 30 seconds or_less. Etc...__The
article is here
[https://www.volvocars.com/ph/support/manuals/xc90/2016/intro...](https://www.volvocars.com/ph/support/manuals/xc90/2016/introduction/introduction/recording-
data) (same for other_models).

Personally I'm OK with_that_- it's not an ongoing recording_of how I drive,
the data is_not pushed out of the