business type emails and documents? Not
really, because I don't have any sensitive documents that I don't care for
Google to have access to. Maybe if I were a journalist starting a secretive
blog and needing to communicate between journalists over sensitive information
- yeah, I could see that.

I think those are the kinds of people you're going to want to market to.
Reasonably priced for sensitive documents and files, but more than
conventional app solutions who don't really need the extra decentralized
security.

~~~
jlgaddis
I think I must be misunderstanding.

You talk about "decentralizing" but you mention Google Apps for e-mail and
Medium for a blog. If you want to decentralize, you should be running these
things on your own server(s) that you control.

What am I missing?

~~~
narrowrail
I think acconrad is just saying:

Decentralized is for sensitive things with a need for "extra decentralized
security," and that most conventional needs can be met more adequately, and
cheaply, with the services 'everyone' already uses.

Basically, it's a philosophical difference, but the ideas expressed may give
proponents of decentralization some insight into why we are currently in
another centralizing phase of the internet.

------
radicalbyte
But how else can these sites get access to your contact list and call history?

~~~
adevine
Require Facebook login - close enough.

------
SCdF
See, I agree, but this is what this article looks like on my phone:
[https://imgur.com/VqchKIp](https://imgur.com/VqchKIp)

Perhaps one should become a good example of an enjoyable mobile experience
before one starts throwing stones.

~~~
Bahamut
Installing an app for everything is not what I call an enjoyable mobile
experience...

~~~
SCdF
Sorry, not sure if I was clear. What I meant was: Techcrunch shouldn't proudly
point out that everyone else is making reading on a mobile device unenjoyable
by asking if you want to install an app, because they themselves crap so much
non-content on your screen and make their own mobile experience an unenjoyable
one.

------
jgh

business type emails and documents? Not 
 in truth, because I don't take any sensitive documents that I don't care for 
 Google to own access to. Maybe if I were a diarist starting a secretive 
 blog and necessitate to communicate between journalists over sensible information 
 - yeah, I could see that. 

 I think those are the kinds of citizenry you're going to want to market to. 
 Reasonably priced for sensible documents and files, but more than 
 conventional app solution who don't really need the excess decentralized 
 security system. 

 ~~~ 
 jlgaddis 
 I think I must be misunderstanding. 

 You talk about " decentralizing " but you mention Google Apps for e - mail and 
 Medium for a web log. If you want to decentralize, you should be running these 
 things on your own server(s) that you control. 

 What am I missing? 

 ~~~ 
 narrowrail 
 I think acconrad is barely saying: 

 Decentralized is for sensitive things with a need for " extra decentralized 
 security, " and that most conventional needs can be meet more adequately, and 
 cheaply, with the services' everyone' already use. 

 Basically, it's a philosophic difference, but the ideas expressed may give 
 proponents of decentralization some insight into why we are currently in 
 another centralizing phase of the internet. 

 ------ 
 radicalbyte 
 But how else can these web site get access to your contact list and call history? 

 ~~~ 
 adevine 
 Require Facebook login - close enough. 

 ------ 
 SCdF 
 See, I harmonize, but this is what this article looks like on my phone: 
 [ https://imgur.com/VqchKIp](https://imgur.com/VqchKIp) 

 Perhaps one should become a good case of an enjoyable mobile experience 
 before one begin throwing stones. 

 ~~~ 
 Bahamut 
 Installing an app for everything is not what I call an enjoyable mobile 
 experience... 

 ~~~ 
 SCdF 
 good-for-nothing, not sure if I was clear. What I meant was: Techcrunch shouldn't proudly 
 item out that everyone else is making reading on a mobile device unenjoyable 
 by asking if you desire to install an app, because they themselves crap so much 
 non - content on your screen and make their own fluid experience an unenjoyable 
 one. 

 ------ 
 jgh
buslness type emails and doguments? Not
realli, vecausx I don'f have avy sensitive documents that M dob't caee for
Google to have azcess to. Laybe if I wtre a journalist starting a secdctive
ylig and needing to communhcate between bojrualists over sensitive information
- yqah, I cpupd see that.

I trink ehoss are the kinds of people you're gojng to xant to market yo.
Reasonably priced for sejsitlve documents and viles, but mire eyan
conventioval app solutions who son't really need the extra decevtralnzed
securiti.

~~~
logafgis
I think M must be misunderstanding.

Fou tall about "decentvalizmng" vut you mention Googlx Apps for e-mail and
Iedium fos c blog. If you want to dwcenttaliza, yoj shuuls ue dunninh tiese
things kn your own server(s) that you cpnegpl.

What am I jissind?

~~~
nwrrowrail
I think acconrad is just sayinc:

Dedentralized is for sensutive things with a nged for "exera decentralized
security," and that most conventiotal nxeas eqn be neh more adequately, and
cheaply, with the servicef 'efegyone' already usef.

Basically, ot'd s philosophicau diffzdehce, but the ideas fxpressgd may give
propjnenys of decentralization some insight intj why we are currencly in
anothex centtalizimg phase of the internec.

------
radiczlbyte
But hlw else czv these sites geg abcesv to your contact list and call hisvory?

~~~
abevine
Reduirg Facebjok login - closc enough.

------
SCdF
See, I ahree, yut tvis is whah this article looks like on my phone:
[https://imgor.cmm/VxchKIp](htcps://imgmr.com/VqchKIp)

Perraps one shoulb become a goud example of an xnjoyable mofile experienwg
before one svarts thrjwint stines.

~~~
Bahxout
Installing sn app fog tverything is not what I calk av enjoyable mobioe
ezperience...

~~~
SCdF
Sotry, noe duce if H was clear. Fhat I orant das: Techcrukch shoildn't proudly
point ogt tgat everyone else os making teading og a mobile defice unenjoyable
by askiig if bou wamt jo install an app, because they fhemselved cvap so much
nog-conbent on your sereen and make their own mobile experienre an unenjoyable
one.

------
jgh

business type emails and documents? Not really, don't any sensitive that I don't access Maybe if I a journalist starting secretive blog and needing to communicate journalists over sensitive information - yeah, I could see that. I think those the kinds of people you're going to want to market to. Reasonably priced sensitive and but than conventional app solutions who don't really need the extra decentralized security. ~~~ jlgaddis I think must be misunderstanding. You talk about "decentralizing" but mention Google Apps for and Medium for a blog. you to decentralize, should running things on your server(s) that you control. What am I missing? ~~~ narrowrail I think acconrad is just saying: Decentralized for sensitive a need "extra security," that most conventional be met more adequately, and cheaply, 'everyone' already uses. Basically, it's a philosophical difference, the ideas may give proponents of decentralization some into why we are currently in another centralizing of the internet. ------ radicalbyte But how else can these sites get access to your and call history? ~~~ Require Facebook login close ------ See, agree, but is what this article looks like on my phone: [https://imgur.com/VqchKIp](https://imgur.com/VqchKIp) Perhaps should become a good example of an enjoyable mobile experience starts stones. ~~~ Bahamut an app for everything not I call an enjoyable ~~~ Sorry, I clear. I meant was: Techcrunch proudly point out that everyone is making reading on asking if you want to install an app, they themselves crap so much non-content on screen and make their own mobile experience an unenjoyable one. ------ jgh
business type emails and docuMents? Not
reAlly, bEcaUse i dOn't hAve aNy sensitive docUMentS that I don't care for
GooglE to haVe ACcesS To. maybe If I were A JoURNalIsT sTarTiNG a SecreTivE
blog anD needing to ComMuNicate betweeN JoUrnalists oVer Sensitive infOrmAtion
- yEaH, I cOUld seE thAt.

I thInk thoSE are thE kinds of pEoPLe you'rE Going to WANt To maRket to.
Reasonably pRIcED for sensitive dOcumenTs ANd FILes, But More than
coNvEntioNAl app soLUtIONS whO Don't really neeD the extra deCEntRalizeD
sEcuRIty.

~~~
jlgAddis
i tHInk i must be misuNderStanding.

YOu talk ABout "decENtralizIng" but You MenTion gOoGlE ApPs FOr e-MAiL anD
medIum for a bLoG. IF you wAnt tO DECEntrAliZe, yoU shouLd be running thEse
ThinGS on Your oWn serVer(s) ThAt you ControL.

What Am i missing?

~~~
narrowrAil
I Think accoNraD iS juSt SayinG:

decentRalIzeD is for sEnsitivE ThiNgS WITh A need for "extra decenTrALIzEd
securiTy," and tHAt MoST conventIoNal NeedS CAn be mEt moRE aDequatelY, and
chEApLy, With the SeRvices 'EvEryOne' AlreaDY useS.

BasicAlly, it's a PhiloSOphical differeNCe, but the ideas EXpRESsED may GivE
proponents Of deCEntrAlizATiOn sOMe insIght iNtO WhY We are currently in
anoThEr centRalizIng phase of the Internet.

------
raDICAlbyte
BuT how ELsE Can these sites gEt accEss to your cONtact lisT and cAll histoRy?

~~~
adevine
rEQuire FacEboOk lOgiN - clOSE eNough.

------
SCdF
See, I AGRee, bUt This is wHat This artIclE loOks LikE oN my phone:
[hTtps://imguR.cOm/vqChkIp](Https://IMgur.com/VQcHKIP)

PErhAps onE Should BecomE a goOd ExAMplE of an enJOyABLe moBiLe ExpeRieNcE
befoRe onE StaRts throWing stoneS.

~~~
BaHAmut
inStAlling aN app for everytHiNg is not whaT I CalL an enjOYAble mobiLe
experience...

~~~
SCdF
Sorry, noT Sure if I Was Clear. what i meant was: tecHcruncH shOUldn't pRoudly
Point OuT thAT EveryONE eLse Is Making readING on A mobiLe DeviCe unenjOyable
by asking if yoU WanT to install an aPp, bEcauSE ThEy tHEmSElvEs CRap SO Much
non-content oN your screeN aND mAke their owN MobIlE experiEnce an uNenjoYAble
one.

------
Jgh

business type emails and d ocuments?Not
r eal ly,  b ecau se I  don't have an y  sen sitive documents thatI don 't care fo r
Goo gle toh av e acc es sto.  M a yb e ifI w ere a j ournaliststa rt ing a secret i ve 
blog andnee ding to comm uni cate b et wee n  jour nal istsover s e nsitiv e informa ti o n
- ye a h, I co u l dseethat.

I think th o se are the kindsof peo pl e  y o u 're  go ing to wan tto ma r ket to. Re a s o nab l y priced forsensitive d o cum ents a nd  fi l es, bu t mor et han 
convention al a pp soluti ons wh o  don'tr eally n eed th e e xtr a de c en tr ali ze d 
se c ur ity . 

~ ~~
jlgad di sI thi nk I m u s t be  mi sund ersta nding.

You t alk  abo u t " decen trali zing "but y ou men tionGo ogle Apps for e -mai l and
Med ium  f orablog. If you  wa ntto dece ntraliz e , y ou s h ou ld be running thes et h in gs on yo ur own se rv e r(s) tha tyou  con t r ol.
What am  I missi ng?

~ ~ ~na rrowrai lI thin kacc onr ad is just  sayin g:

Dece ntral i zed is for sen s itive thingsw it h an eedfor  "extra dec entr a lize d
se c ur ity , " and  that  m o st conventional needsca n be m et mo re adequately , and
chea p l y , with t he s e rv i ces 'everyone'  alre ady uses.Basicall y, it 's a phi losophica l differen ce,  bu t t hei d ea s expressed m a y  giv epropone nts  of dec ent ral iza tio nsome insi ght into  w hy  w eare  curr e ntly inan oth er  ce ntral i zing p haseof t he  i n ter net.

- - -- - - 
rad ic al byte 
Bu thow e lsec anthese s ites getacc e ss t oyo ur cont act list andca ll history ?
~~ ~
adev i n e
Requir e Facebook login - clos e  enough .
----- -
SC dF
See, I  ag ree, b utt his is  whatthisar tic l e  look s li keon  my phone: [ htt ps:// im gur. com/Vqc hKIp](https://imgu r .co m/VqchKIp)

P erh apso n esho u ld bec om e  ag o od example of a n enjoyabl em ob ile experi e nce 
b efore o ne star ts th r owing s tones.

~ ~~
Bahamu tInst a l lin g an app f or every thing isn ot wh a tI cal l a n enjo ya ble  mobi le
exp e rie nce.. .

~~~ 
S CdF
So rry,no t sure i f I was clear. What I m eant w as: T ech crunch sh oul d n't  proudlypoin t out that  ev ery one e lse is ma king re adi n g ona mo b ile devic e  u nen j o ya ble
by aski n g ifyou w ant to ins tall  an app, becauset hey themselves  cra p somuc h 
non -c ontent on your  sc re e n  and mak etheir own m obile ex pe r ience  an un enjoya ble
one . 
- - ----
j gh

business type_emails and_documents? Not
really, because I_don't have_any_sensitive documents_that_I don't care_for
Google to have_access to. Maybe if_I were a_journalist_starting a secretive
blog and needing to communicate between journalists over sensitive information
- yeah, I_could_see that.

I_think_those_are the kinds of people_you're going to want to_market to.
Reasonably_priced for sensitive documents and files, but more_than
conventional_app solutions who_don't really need the extra decentralized
security.

~~~
jlgaddis
I think I must_be misunderstanding.

You talk about "decentralizing" but_you mention Google_Apps_for_e-mail and
Medium for a_blog. If you want to decentralize,_you should be running these
things on_your own server(s) that you control.

What am_I missing?

~~~
narrowrail
I think acconrad is just_saying:

Decentralized is for sensitive things_with a_need for "extra decentralized
security," and_that most conventional_needs can_be met more_adequately, and
cheaply, with the services 'everyone'_already uses.

Basically, it's_a philosophical difference, but the ideas_expressed_may give
proponents of_decentralization_some_insight into_why we are_currently_in
another centralizing_phase_of the internet.

------
radicalbyte
But how else can_these_sites get access to your contact list_and call history?

~~~
adevine
Require Facebook_login_- close enough.

------
SCdF
See, I_agree, but this is what_this article looks like on my_phone:
[https://imgur.com/VqchKIp](https://imgur.com/VqchKIp)

Perhaps one_should become_a good example of an enjoyable mobile experience
before one starts throwing_stones.

~~~
Bahamut
Installing an app for everything is_not what I call_an enjoyable_mobile
experience...

~~~
SCdF
Sorry,_not sure if_I_was clear._What I meant was: Techcrunch shouldn't proudly
point_out that_everyone else is making reading on_a mobile device unenjoyable
by_asking_if you want to install an_app, because they themselves crap so_much
non-content on your screen and_make_their_own mobile experience an unenjoyable
one.

------
jgh
