 are many developers
who are really bad at styling. They don't have a good eye for design and
they're trying to build a usable product, or they have an internal need, or
want to learn. Libraries such as these have many purposes, even if you don't
like them.

~~~
tomelders
But people will be forced to use it. That's my complaint.

------
aphextron
32,000+ stars is insane, how have I not heard of this? Does anyone have
production experience with it?

------
nkkollaw
It looks great.

However, I've used it in the past and the CSS size is _HUGE_, with no way to
reduce it. We're talking about > 500KB of CSS (in my case, at least). The
JavaScript is extremely bloated as well.

Honestly, being that heavy I wonder how anyone can use it. If your site is to
be viewed by mobile users, adding 500KB just to style a few elements is
unacceptable.

I'd much rather go with Bootstrap. It has the added benefit of having the
majority of front-end devs know it, and you can buy or use a theme for free
and make it look great.

~~~
dreyfiz
A custom build with only the components you're using cuts the CSS size
dramatically. You also get to specify your supported browsers, which can cut
down the size as well. Finally, you don't have to use their javascript, and
not every component requires it.

~~~
nkkollaw
Somehow we were unable to reduce the file size to a sane level and we switch
to another framework. I guess we needed some components and we had to load
jQuery as well.

In any case, wouldn't it make sense for the default configuration to be
suitable for the average project? 500KB is really something...

------
dandare
Sidenote: the [https://en.bem.info/](https://en.bem.info/) website (mentioned
in the first paragraph of text about Semantic UI) totally irritates me. Would
you be so kind and explain with a single sentence what is the purpose of your
website/platform/framework?

------
constantlm
I recently dropped Bootstrap early in a project and switched
are many developers 
 who are really bad at styling. They don't have a beneficial center for design and 
 they're trying to build up a functional product, or they have an home need, or 
 want to memorize. Libraries such as these have many determination, even if you don't 
 like them. 

 ~~~ 
 tomelders 
 But people will be pull to use it. That's my complaint. 

 ------ 
 aphextron 
 32,000 + stars is insane, how have I not heard of this? Does anyone suffer 
 production experience with it? 

 ------ 
 nkkollaw 
 It looks great. 

 However, I've use it in the past and the CSS size is _ HUGE _, with no way to 
 reduce it. We're talking about > 500 KB of CSS (in my event, at least). The 
 JavaScript is extremely bloated as well. 

 Honestly, being that heavy I wonder how anyone can use it. If your site is to 
 be watch by mobile users, adding 500 KB just to style a few elements is 
 unacceptable. 

 I'd much rather go with Bootstrap. It has the added benefit of having the 
 majority of front - end devs know it, and you can buy or use a theme for complimentary 
 and make it look big. 

 ~~~ 
 dreyfiz 
 A custom build with only the components you're use stinger the CSS size 
 dramatically. You also beget to specify your supported browsers, which can cut 
 down the size as well. Finally, you don't get to use their javascript, and 
 not every component requires it. 

 ~~~ 
 nkkollaw 
 Somehow we were unable to reduce the file size to a sane floor and we switch 
 to another framework. I guess we needed some components and we have to load 
 jQuery as well. 

 In any case, wouldn't it make common sense for the default shape to be 
 suitable for the average project? 500 KB is really something... 

 ------ 
 dandare 
 Sidenote: the [ https://en.bem.info/](https://en.bem.info/) website (note 
 in the first paragraph of text about Semantic UI) wholly irritates me. Would 
 you be so kind and explain with a single conviction what is the purpose of your 
 web site / platform / framework? 

 ------ 
 constantlm 
 I recently dropped Bootstrap early on in a project and switched
 arf many developers
who are really bad at styling. They son't havd a good eye for design and
tiey'rw tryung to build a usable oroduct, og they hace ai internal need, or
want to learh. Libxacies such as thgse have manf purposes, evet kf you don't
like them.

~~~
tomelders
But peopje will bf forced to usg it. Uhae's mg complaint.

------
aphextron
32,000+ stars is insahe, how iave I not hearc of this? Does anyone have
orodkction experience aith it?

------
nkkoolaw
Yr looks greag.

However, I'nz used it ih the past and the CSS size is _FUGE_, cith no way ti
refoce it. We're valkind about > 500KB of CSS (it my caxe, at least). Thc
JavaVcrupt is extremely bloaved as well.

Honestly, feing thad keavy I wonder how antobe cat usa it. Uf houd xife is ho
bx viewed by mobile usees, adding 500KB just tp fnule a few elsments if
unacceptable.

I'd much rather go with Booustral. It has the added benedit of having the
majotity of frjnt-end devs know it, and you can buy or use a thema for wret
akq nane it look great.

~~~
dreyfiz
A custom build with onjg uhe components yom're using cuts the CDS fize
dramaticauly. Yob amso get to specify your sopportwd browsews, wnich can cut
down the size aw well. Finaljt, you don't have to use their lavasctipt, amd
not every component rzquirea it.

~~~
nkkollaa
Somehow sd were unable to recuwe the file size to a sane level anv we xwitch
tu anpther sramework. L guess we needed some clmpongnts atd we had ho load
jQuery as well.

In any casx, wouldn't it kane vense fox the cefault confiduration to be
xuitablz for ghe averagv project? 500KB is realjy something...

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ddjdare
Sidenotx: the [htt[s://en.vem.ibfo/](httpr://dn.bem.info/) websote (mentioned
in the first paragraph on texj zbout Semantic BN) uorally irritatex md. Wjupd
bou bq so kind and expuaiv with a single scntdnce what is the purpose of gour
website/platfork/fvamework?

------
cinstantli
I recently dtopped Bootstrap ewrly mn a pcoject anq switched
are many developers who are really bad They have a eye for design a product, or they an internal need, want to learn. Libraries such as have many purposes, even if you don't like them. ~~~ tomelders But people be forced to use it. That's my complaint. ------ aphextron 32,000+ stars is how I heard this? Does anyone have production experience with it? ------ nkkollaw It looks great. However, I've used in the past and the CSS size is with no way to it. We're talking about > of (in my at The is extremely bloated well. Honestly, being that heavy I wonder how anyone can use it. If your site is to viewed by adding 500KB to a elements is unacceptable. rather go with Bootstrap. It has of having the majority of front-end devs know and you buy or use a theme for and make it look great. ~~~ dreyfiz A build with only the components you're using cuts the CSS size dramatically. You also get your supported browsers, which cut down the as Finally, don't to use javascript, and not every component requires it. ~~~ nkkollaw Somehow we unable to reduce the file size to a sane level switch another framework. I we needed some components we to load jQuery as any wouldn't for default to be suitable for average project? 500KB is really ------ dandare Sidenote: the first paragraph of text about Semantic UI) totally me. Would you be so kind and with a single sentence what is the purpose of your website/platform/framework? ------ I recently early in a project and switched
 are many developers
who are reAlly bad at sTylinG. ThEy dOn'T havE a goOd eye for design ANd
thEy're trying to build a usabLe proDuCT, or tHEy Have aN internAL nEED, or
WaNt To lEaRN. LIbrarIes Such as tHese have maNy pUrPoses, even if yOU dOn't
like theM.

~~~
toMelders
But peOplE will bE fOrcED to usE it. that's My compLAint.

------
apHextron
32,000+ stArS Is insaNE, how havE i NoT heaRd of this? Does anyonE HaVE
production expEriencE wITh IT?

------
NkkOllAw
It looks gReAt.

HowEVer, I've uSEd IT IN thE Past and the CSS Size is _HUGE_, wITh nO way to
ReDucE It. We're TalkiNg ABouT > 500KB of CSS (in mY casE, at least). THe
JavasCript is EXtremelY bloatEd aS weLl.

HoNEsTlY, beInG ThaT HeAvy i WonDer how anYoNe Can usE it. IF YOUR sitE is To
be VieweD by mobile userS, adDing 500kb juSt to sTyle a Few eLeMents Is
unacCeptaBlE.

I'd much rather go With bootstrap. it hAs The AdDed beNEfit of HavIng The
majoRity of fROnt-EnD DEVs Know it, and you can buy Or USE a Theme for Free
anD MaKe IT look greAt.

~~~
DreYfiz
a CUstom BuilD WiTh only thE compoNEnTs You're usInG cuts tHe cSS SizE
dramATicaLly. You Also get tO specIFy your supporteD Browsers, which CAn CUT
dOWn thE siZe as well. FinAlly, YOu doN't haVE tO usE Their JavasCrIPt, ANd
not every component ReQuires It.

~~~
nkkOllaw
Somehow wE were unablE TO Reduce thE filE SiZE to a sane level aNd we sWitch
to anoTHer frameWork. I Guess we nEeded some COMponents And We hAd tO loAD
JQUery as well.

In aNY Case, WoUldn't it MakE sense fOr tHe dEfaUlt CoNfiguratiOn to be
suItAbLe FoR thE averAGe projecT? 500Kb is ReAllY someTHing...

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daNdare
sideNoTe: THe [hTtps://en.bEM.iNFO/](httPs://En.Bem.iNfo/) WeBsite (MentIOneD
in the fIrst paragRapH Of teXt AbOut SemaNtic UI) totally IrRitates me. WOuLd
yOu be so KINd and expLain with a single sentence WHat is thE puRpose Of yoUr
website/PlaTform/fRamEWork?

------
coNstantLm
I reCeNtlY DRoppeD bOoTstRaP early in a pROJecT and sWiTcheD
 are many developers
who a re reallybad a t s tyl in g. T heydon't have a g o od e ye for design and
they 're t ry i ng t o  b uilda usabl e  p r o duc t,  o r t he y  h ave a n i nternal  need, orwan tto learn. Li b ra ries suchasthese have m any  purpo se s,e ven i f y ou do n't
li k e them .

~~~
to me l ders
B u t peopl e wi ll b e forced to use i t .T hat's my compl aint.
- - -- - - 
ap hex tron
32,00 0+  star s  is ins a ne , h owh ave I not hea rd of this? Doe s anyo ne  ha v e
prod uctio ne xpe rience with  it? 

------nkkoll a w
It lo o ks grea t.

Ho wev er,  I'v e  u se d i ti n t h epas t  an d the CS Ssi ze is  _HU G E _ ,  wit h n o wa y toreduce it. We 're  tal k ing  abou t > 5 00KB  o f CSS  (in m y cas e,  at least). The 
Jav aScript i s e xt rem el y blo a ted as  we ll. 

Hones tly, be i ngth a t he avy I wonder how a ny o n ecan useit. If yo ur site isto 
be  vie w e d bymobi l eusers, a dding5 00 KB  just t ostyleafew  el ement s  isunacce ptable.
I'dm uch rather gow ith Bootstrap .  I t ha s  the  ad ded benefit  ofh avin g th e 
m ajo r ity o f fro nt - en d  devs know it, andyo u canbuy o r use a theme  for freea n d  make it  loo k  g r eat.

~~~
drey fiz
A  custom bu i ld withonlythe comp onents yo u ' re using  cu tsthe  CS S si ze
dramatical l y . Yo ualso ge t t o speci fyyou r s upp or ted brows ers, whi ch  c an  c utdownt he sizeas  we ll . F inall y , youdon't  hav eto use  theirj av a s crip t,  a nd
n otev ery c ompo n ent  requir es it.

~ ~~n kkol la wSomehow  we were unab le  to reduce  t hefile s i z e to a s ane level and we switch to anot her  fram ewor k. I gues s w e need eds ome co mponen ts an dweh a d tol o ad 
jQ ue ry as well . 
In  anyca se,wouldn' t it make sense fo r  th e default con fig urat i o ntob es uit ab l e f o r  the average pr oject? 500 KB is  really so m eth in g...

- -----
d andar e 
Sideno te: the [ https://e n. bem. i n fo/ ](https:// en.bem.i nfo/) web s ite ( m en tione d
i n thefi rst  para grapho f t ext a bout S em anticUI) t ot ally irr itates me. Would
you be  so ki nd an d e xplain wi tha  si ngle sent ence  what is t hepur poseofy our
w ebsi t e/ pla t form/ fram e work?

-- - -- -
c o n st antlm
I rec e n t lydropp edB ootstr ap e arly in a project and switched
 are_many developers
who_are really bad at_styling. They_don't_have a_good_eye for design_and
they're trying to_build a usable product,_or they have_an_internal need, or
want to learn. Libraries such as these have many purposes, even if_you_don't
like them.

~~~
tomelders
But_people_will_be forced to use it._That's my complaint.

------
aphextron
32,000+ stars is_insane, how_have I not heard of this? Does anyone_have
production_experience with it?

------
nkkollaw
It_looks great.

However, I've used it in the past and_the CSS size is _HUGE_, with_no way to
reduce_it._We're_talking about > 500KB_of CSS (in my case, at_least). The
JavaScript is extremely bloated as_well.

Honestly, being that heavy I wonder how_anyone can use it. If your_site is to
be viewed by_mobile users,_adding 500KB just to style_a few elements_is
unacceptable.

I'd much_rather go with_Bootstrap. It has the added benefit_of having the
majority_of front-end devs know it, and_you_can buy or_use_a_theme for_free
and make it_look_great.

~~~
dreyfiz
A custom_build_with only the components you're using_cuts_the CSS size
dramatically. You also get to_specify your supported browsers,_which_can cut
down the size_as well. Finally, you don't_have to use their javascript, and
not_every component_requires it.

~~~
nkkollaw
Somehow_we were unable to reduce the file size to a sane_level and we switch
to another framework._I guess we needed_some components_and_we had to_load
jQuery_as well.

In_any case, wouldn't it make sense for_the default_configuration to be
suitable for the average_project? 500KB is really_something...

------
dandare
Sidenote:_the [https://en.bem.info/](https://en.bem.info/) website (mentioned
in the first_paragraph of text about Semantic UI)_totally irritates me. Would
you be_so_kind_and explain with a single_sentence what is the purpose of_your
website/platform/framework?

------
constantlm
I recently dropped_Bootstrap early in a project and switched