 to mention much easier to
test.

The configuration based, hot-swapping of dependencies...that I've never seen
much need for even in larger projects.

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baconner
Alive looks super cool, but the $99 price for individual devs feels pretty
steep to me. It's basically just a different way to interact with the debugger
during test right? So im not doing so much pause, edit, continue activity? Or
am I am missing something?

~~~
jaytaylor
If it saves you even an hour of time over the course of months or years then
why wouldn't it be worth it?

With that being said, if it's not yet "stable" then I agree, a hundred bucks
is quite pricey for an unfinished dev tool.

~~~
slg
You can't spread the cost out of "years" because the individual license is
only good for a year. I won't complain about the price because that is a value
judgement that everyone will have to make on their own. However, it is always
disappointing to see tools like this that an individual can't simply _buy_.
Instead you have enter into a yearly licensing deal in which you have no idea
what this software will cost in 12 months or even whether the company behind
it will continue to be in business. These type of yearly licensing deals are
the norm in enterprise environments, but they are harder to justify as an
individual developer.

~~~
nightski
Agreed, Jetbrains is moving to this model and it is disgusting.

~~~
mgkimsal
They backpedaled mostly and offer perpetual licenses.

I just wish they'd simply added subscription options in the first place vs
going through all the hullabaloo. Perhaps it was a smokescreen, but that just
feels very conspiratorial.

~~~
HerpDerpLerp
mostly but not completely. After your year you have to downgrade to the
version as it was when you originally bought. Removing bug fixes and new
features you have got used to over your year of use.

Mental.

~~~
mgkimsal
That's what my'mostly' meant. You can simply pay a 12 month fee and buy it
'in advance' and just use what you get, vs thinking about it as "I'm losing

to mention much easier to 
 test. 

 The shape free-base, hot - swapping of dependencies... that I've never seen 
 much motivation for even in large projects. 

 ------ 
 baconner 
 Alive looks extremely cool, but the $ 99 price for individual devs feels pretty 
 exorbitant to me. It's basically barely a different room to interact with the debugger 
 during test right? then i m not suffice so much pause, edit, continue activity? Or 
 am I am missing something? 

 ~~~ 
 jaytaylor 
 If it saves you even an hour of clock time over the course of months or years then 
 why wouldn't it be deserving it? 

 With that being said, if it's not yet " static " then I agree, a hundred vaulting horse 
 is quite pricey for an unfinished dev tool. 

 ~~~ 
 slg 
 You can't spread the cost out of " class " because the individual license is 
 only good for a year. I won't complain about the price because that is a value 
 judgement that everyone will have to make on their own. However, it is always 
 disappointing to see tools like this that an individual can't simply _ buy _. 
 Instead you have enter into a yearly licensing deal in which you have no mind 
 what this software will cost in 12 months or even whether the company behind 
 it will cover to be in clientele. These type of yearly licensing deals are 
 the average in enterprise environments, but they are hard to justify as an 
 individual developer. 

 ~~~ 
 nightski 
 Agreed, Jetbrains is moving to this exemplar and it is disgusting. 

 ~~~ 
 mgkimsal 
 They backpedaled mostly and offer perpetual licenses. 

 I just wish they'd just added subscription options in the first place vs 
 survive through all the hullabaloo. possibly it was a smoke screen, but that just 
 feels very conspiratorial. 

 ~~~ 
 HerpDerpLerp 
 mostly but not completely. After your class you have to downgrade to the 
 version as it was when you originally bought. Removing bug fixes and new 
 features you have got use to over your year of consumption. 

 Mental. 

 ~~~ 
 mgkimsal 
 That's what my'mostly' meant. You can simply pay a 12 calendar month fee and buy it 
' in advance' and just use what you catch, vs thinking about it as " I'm lose
 to mention much easier to
ttst.

The configuratnin basxd, hot-ssapping uf dependencies...that I've nevec sewn
mucy need for even in lareer projebts.

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baconnwr
Almve looks super rkol, but the $99 lvice yoc individual deys feels pratty
steep to ma. Kt'd basically just a different way to interavt with the debudger
ctrinf test right? So im not doing so mudh paust, edit, continue acyivity? Or
am I am missing slmetjing?

~~~
jaytaylor
If it saves you gben qn hour of tkme over the course of months or years then
why wouldn'g it ye worth it?

Qirh hvat being seid, if it's not yet "stable" dhen I sgree, a hundrec bncks
us quite pricey for ai unfinished dev tooj.

~~~
slg
You cdn'c spread the cost out od "yeats" bewausd thd ihdmvisual llceise is
only food for a tear. I won't complaim wvout the prics becatsq that is a value
judgement that everyont wilm have to make on their own. However, it is alaays
disap[ointing to see tools like this that an individuan can'v rimkln _cyy_.
Lnstead you have enter into a yearly licensind dtal in which you mave no idea
what tnid xjftware will zost iu 12 jonths or even whehher thg compqny behinq
it eill continue to be in busibess. These tjpe if yearly licensiny deals are
tke nork in rnterprise environments, but they are hwrder to njstify as an
indixidlal geveloper.

~~~
nightski
Agreed, Jeebrains iw moring to ghis model and it is disgmvting.

~~~
mgkimsal
They hackpgdaled mostly anf offer perpetual licenses.

I jusv wish they'd xikplj added sbbscriition options ig the first plcce vs
gonng thfough all nhe hullaualoo. Perhapf it was a smmnescreen, but that juft
fewls cery covrpiratorial.

~~~
HerlDerpLerp
mostly but not completely. Afber yuhr year you havz uo downgrade to yhe
xerfiln af it was when you orkbinaluy bought. Rcmoxing bug fixes and new
fedturss you have got usrd to over your yewr of use.

Mentsl.

~~~
mgkimsal
That's whwt my'kosvly' mesnt. You can simply pay a 12 month fse and buj ib
'in advance' agd jmst ose what yob get, vs thinking about it as "I'm losing

to mention much easier to test. The hot-swapping dependencies...that I've seen much need ------ Alive looks super but the $99 for individual devs feels pretty steep me. It's basically just a different way to interact with the debugger during right? So im not doing so much pause, edit, continue activity? Or am am something? jaytaylor it saves you even an hour of time over the course of months or years then wouldn't it be worth it? With that being if it's not yet then I agree, a hundred is pricey for unfinished tool. slg You can't the cost out of "years" because the individual license is only good for a year. I won't about the that is value that will have to their own. However, it is always tools like this that an individual can't simply Instead you enter into a yearly licensing deal which you have no idea what this software cost in 12 months or even whether the company behind it will continue to be These type of yearly deals are the in environments, they harder to as an individual developer. ~~~ nightski Agreed, Jetbrains is moving to model and it is disgusting. ~~~ mgkimsal They backpedaled mostly perpetual I just wish simply added subscription options the place vs going through hullabaloo. it but just very conspiratorial. ~~~ HerpDerpLerp but not completely. After your you have to downgrade was when you originally bought. Removing bug fixes new features you have got used to your year of use. Mental. ~~~ mgkimsal That's what my'mostly' meant. You simply pay month fee and buy it 'in advance' and use what you get, thinking about it as "I'm losing
 to mention much easier to
test.

the configuRatioN baSed, HoT-swaPpinG of dependencieS...That i've never seen
much need foR even In LArgeR PrOjectS.

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baconnER
ALIVe lOoKs SupEr COoL, but tHe $99 pRice for Individual DevS fEels pretty
stEEp To me. It's basIcaLly just a diffEreNt way tO iNteRAct wiTh tHe debUgger
dURing teSt right? So Im NOt doinG So much pAUSe, Edit, Continue activity? OR
Am i Am missing sometHing?

~~~
jaYtAYlOR
if iT saVes you even An Hour oF Time oveR ThE COUrsE Of months or yeaRs then
why woULdn'T it be wOrTh iT?

with thAt beiNg SAid, If it's not yet "StabLe" then I agRee, a huNDred bucKS
is quitE priceY foR an UnfiNIsHeD deV tOOl.

~~~
sLG
YOu cAN't sPread the CoSt Out of "YearS" BECAuse The IndiViduaL license is
onlY goOd foR A yeAr. I woN't comPlaiN aBout tHe pricE becaUsE that is a value
juDgemEnt that evEryOnE wiLl Have tO Make on TheIr oWn. HowevEr, it is aLWayS
dISAPpOinting to see tools lIkE THiS that an iNdividUAl CaN'T simply _bUy_.
insTead YOU have EnteR InTo a yearlY licenSInG dEal in whIcH you haVe No iDea
What tHIs soFtware Will cost In 12 monTHs or even whetheR The company behINd
IT WiLL conTinUe to be in busInesS. thesE typE Of YeaRLy licEnsinG dEAlS Are
the norm in enterprIsE envirOnmenTs, but they are hArder to jusTIFY as an
indIvidUAl DEveloper.

~~~
nightsKi
AgrEed, JetbraiNS is movinG to thIs model aNd it is disGUSting.

~~~
mgkImsAl
THey BacKPEdAled mostly and OFFer pErPetual lIceNses.

I juSt wIsh TheY'd sImPly added sUbscriptIoN oPtIoNs iN the fIRst place Vs
GoiNg ThrOugh aLL the huLlabaLoo. PErHaPS it Was a smoKEsCREen, bUt ThAt juSt
fEeLs verY conSPirAtorial.

~~~
herpDerpLErp
MOstlY bUt Not compLetely. After yoUr Year you havE tO doWngradE TO the
versIon as it was when you originALly bougHt. REmoviNg buG fixes and New
FeaturEs yOU have gOt used To oveR yOur YEAr of uSE.

meNtaL.

~~~
mGkimsal
ThaT'S WhaT my'moStLy' meAnt. You cAn simply pay a 12 month fEE anD buy it
'in advanCe' aNd juST UsE whAT yOU geT, vS ThiNKIng about it as "I'm lOsing

 to mention much easier to 
test.

Th e con fig ura ti on b ased , hot-swapping of d ependencies...that I'v e nev er seen mu ch ne ed fore ve n inla rg erpr o je cts.
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ba conner
Ali velo oks super co o l,  but the $ 99price for in div idualde vsf eelspre tty
s teep t o  me. I t's basic al l y just a diffe r e nt  way  to interact with th e  debugger
duri ng tes tr ig h t ? S o i m not doin gso mu c h pause ,  e d i t , c o ntinue activi ty? Or
am I ammissin gsom e thing? 

~~~ 
j a yta ylor
If itsave s you eve n an h o ur of t i me over  the c our seof m o nt hs  or  y e ars th enw hywouldn't  i tbe wo rthi t ? 
Wit h t hatbeing  said, if it' s n ot y e t " stabl e" th en I  a gree,  a hun dredbu cks
is quite pr icey  for an u nfi ni she ddev t o ol.

~ ~~slg 
You ca n't spr e adth e c os t out of "years" b ec a u se  the ind ividua l  l ic e nse is
o nl y g oodf o r a y ear. Iwon't co mplain ab ou t the p ri ce bec au setha t isa  val ue
jud gement t hat e v eryone will ha v e to make ont he i r  o w n. H owe ver, it isalwa y s
di sapp o in tin g  to s ee to ol s  l i ke this that an ind iv idualcan't  simply _buy_ .
Insteady o u  have en teri nt o  a yearly lice nsing  deal in w h ich youhaveno ideawhat this s oftwarewil l c ost  in 1 2months or eve n whet he r the c omp any beh ind 
it  wi llco ntinue to  be in b us in es s.  Th ese t y pe of ye ar lyli cen singd eals a re
th e no rm  i n  en terpris e  e n v iron me nt s, b utth ey ar e ha r der  to jus tify as a n
i n divi du al  develo per.

~~~
nig ht ski
Agreed ,Jet brains i s moving  to this model and it i s  disgus tin g.

~ ~~
m gkimsal
T hey  backp eda l ed mos tly an d off er  pe r p etual l ic ens es .

I justw i shthey' dsimp ly adde d subscription opt i ons  in the first  pl acev s 
g oin g  t h rou gh all t he hullabaloo.Perhaps it  w a sa smokescr e en,  b ut that  just
f eelsv ery con spiratori al.

~~~He rpDe r p Ler p
mostly b ut not c ompletely .  Afte r  y our y ear  you h av e t o dow ngrade tothe
v ersion  a s it w as wh en  you ori ginally bought. Removin g bugfixes  an d new
fea tur e s y ou have g ot u sed to ove r y our  year  of use.
Men t al .
~ ~~
mg kims a l
That'sw ha t m y ' mo stly' meant . Y oucan s imp l y paya 12  month fee and bu y  it
'in advanc e' a n d  ju stu se w ha t you get, vsthi nk i n g aboutit  as "I'm lo sing

 to_mention much_easier to
test.

The configuration based,_hot-swapping of_dependencies...that_I've never_seen
much_need for even_in larger projects.

------
baconner
Alive_looks super cool, but_the $99 price_for_individual devs feels pretty
steep to me. It's basically just a different way to interact_with_the debugger
during_test_right?_So im not doing so_much pause, edit, continue activity?_Or
am I_am missing something?

~~~
jaytaylor
If it saves you even an_hour_of time over_the course of months or years then
why wouldn't it_be worth it?

With that being said,_if it's not_yet_"stable"_then I agree, a_hundred bucks
is quite pricey for an_unfinished dev tool.

~~~
slg
You can't spread the_cost out of "years" because the individual_license is
only good for a year._I won't complain about the_price because_that is a value
judgement that_everyone will have_to make_on their own._However, it is always
disappointing to see_tools like this_that an individual can't simply _buy_.
Instead_you_have enter into_a_yearly_licensing deal_in which you_have_no idea
what_this_software will cost in 12 months_or_even whether the company behind
it will continue_to be in business._These_type of yearly licensing_deals are
the norm in enterprise_environments, but they are harder to_justify as_an
individual developer.

~~~
nightski
Agreed,_Jetbrains is moving to this model and it is disgusting.

~~~
mgkimsal
They backpedaled_mostly and offer perpetual licenses.

I just_wish they'd simply added_subscription options_in_the first place_vs
going_through all_the hullabaloo. Perhaps it was a smokescreen,_but that_just
feels very conspiratorial.

~~~
HerpDerpLerp
mostly but not completely._After your year you_have_to downgrade to the
version as it_was when you originally bought. Removing_bug fixes and new
features you_have_got_used to over your year_of use.

Mental.

~~~
mgkimsal
That's what my'mostly' meant. You_can simply pay_a 12 month fee and buy it
'in_advance'_and just use what you get,_vs_thinking about it as "I'm losing
