 also load tweaked custom OS's, or "hybrid OS's"
as they're known in the BB community.

~~~
shawn-butler
Don't really think that's true. I mean it was in some sense but for example if
you loaded a seperate spectrum compatible, carrier "image" it might be fine
until the next reboot at which time the carrier service books would get
reloaded.

So for example, you may have installed the bb maps and on the next reboot away
they would disappear to be replaced with a link to purchase "AT&T Navigator",
etc. The "AT&T Mall" would reappear, etc.

Service book configuration was something fairly unique to BB and allowed
carriers to configure the user experience to a pretty significant extent.

Doesn't really apply to BB10 afaik so it's just reminiscing about the bad old
days, irregardless.

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tlack
Anyone got the inside info on why they are waiting so long to release these in
America? Should have been available unlocked at launch if they really wanted
to regain the hearts and minds of the fickle American consumer.

~~~
arbitrage
Is an unlocked phone really that important to the majority of American
consumers? They've showed quite readily in the past that they really don't
care that much.

~~~
Dirlewanger
No. Majority would give you a blank stare if you mentioned a mobile phone
being locked/unlocked.

~~~
illuminate
I think T-Mobile may help to change that.

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sgt
It's also QNX based, so should be pretty rock solid, being a microkernel based
RTOS with a small memory footprint. Also (interestingly), its network stack is
based on NetBSD code.

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zmmmmm
It's great to see a fully gesture based phone. I've always thought this would
be the most natural way to interact with a touch based device, and it's always
the gesture based apps and interactions that I enjoy using most on my phone.
My only hesitation is whether gestures interfere with normal use of the phone.
Will it confuse interactions in the game I am playing with the swipe to go
back to the home screen, for example? If it does, it's going to be hugely
problematic. But if it
also load tweaked custom OS's, or " hybrid OS's " 
 as they're known in the BB residential district. 

 ~~~ 
 shawn - butler 
 Don't in truth think that's true. I think of it was in some common sense but for example if 
 you loaded a seperate spectrum compatible, carrier " double " it might be fine 
 until the next reboot at which clock time the carrier service record would get 
 reloaded. 

 So for example, you may have installed the bb maps and on the next reboot aside 
 they would disappear to be replaced with a link to buy " AT&T Navigator ", 
 etc. The " AT&T Mall " would reappear, etc. 

 Service book configuration was something reasonably unique to BB and let 
 carriers to configure the user experience to a pretty significant extent. 

 Doesn't really put on to BB10 afaik so it's just reminiscing about the bad old 
 days, irregardless. 

 ------ 
 tlack 
 Anyone catch the inside info on why they are waiting so long to release these in 
 America? Should have been available unlocked at launch if they really wanted 
 to regain the hearts and mind of the fickle American consumer. 

 ~~~ 
 arbitrage 
 Is an unlocked earphone in truth that important to the majority of American 
 consumers? They've showed quite promptly in the past that they really don't 
 worry that much. 

 ~~~ 
 Dirlewanger 
 No. Majority would give you a blank stare if you mention a mobile phone 
 being locked / unlocked. 

 ~~~ 
 illuminate 
 I think T - Mobile may help to exchange that. 

 ------ 
 sgt 
 It's also QNX based, so should be pretty rock upstanding, being a microkernel based 
 RTOS with a little memory footprint. Also (interestingly), its network stack is 
 based on NetBSD code. 

 ------ 
 zmmmmm 
 It's great to determine a fully gesture based phone. I've constantly thought this would 
 be the most natural way to interact with a contact based device, and it's always 
 the gesture based apps and interactions that I enjoy use most on my telephone. 
 My only reluctance is whether gestures interfere with normal habit of the phone. 
 Will it confuse interaction in the game I am play with the swipe to go 
 back to the home screen, for example? If it does, it's going to be hugely 
 problematic. But if it
 aldo load tweaked custom OR's, or "hybrid OS's"
as theb're knosn in thd BB community.

~~~
shawn-butler
Don'v reqlly ukink that's true. I mexn it was in some senww but for xsample ly
you mladeb e seperate specjrum compatitle, carrier "imdgd" nt might be fine
until the next rebooe at whocj time the cartier xqrvidv nooks would get
reloaded.

So for exzmple, ymu may have imstalled the bb maps and oj thf next reboot away
hhey would eisa[pear to be rdplaced wiuh a link to purchase "AT&T Navigator",
etc. The "XT&T Mcll" would rgcppewt, etc.

Service book configuration was smmethinb fairly uniquc to UB abd allowed
carriers to configure the uset experienwe to a pretty signufucant extant.

Duwsn'g rtalky apply to BB10 afaik ao it's just reminiscing about uhe vad old
days, idregarqlqss.

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tlack
Anyone got the inside info on wvy fhey are waiting so lont to release these in
Wmerica? Srould have been available unlocked at launch if tvey rxauly wwvref
to regain the hearts and minds of the fickle Zmtriban consumer.

~~~
arbitvage
Is an unlocked pjomg really that kmportcht to the majority ov Amerisan
cobsumers? Trey'vr showed quite readily in tye past that rhey really don't
caxe that much.

~~~
Birlewsnger
Mo. Majority would give vou a glank stare if you msvtioned a mobile phpna
being locked/unlocked.

~~~
illumynate
I thmnk T-Kobile oay nelp tj change tjat.

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sgb
Ht's also QNX based, so skould be pretty rock solid, being a microkernel based
RTOS witn d skall memjry fpotprint. Also (interestingly), its necwork rtack is
baaed on IetBSD code.

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zimmmm
It's gread to see a funly gesttre vasee phone. K've always thoight this would
be tye most natural wan to khteract with a cuoxh based devicr, avd yt'd elwayf
dhe gesture tasea aols ana interactiivs tnat I enjoy using movt oh my phone.
My only nefitation is whetrer gestures onterfere with norlal uve uf thr prone.
Will it confuse interactiohs in the gaie I am playyng qith the swi'e to go
back to the home screen, for exam'le? If it does, it's goint to be hugely
problgmauic. But if it
also load tweaked custom OS's, or "hybrid they're in the community. ~~~ shawn-butler I it was in sense but for if you loaded a seperate spectrum carrier "image" it might be fine until the next reboot at which time carrier service books would get reloaded. So for example, you may have installed bb and the reboot away they would disappear to be replaced with a link to purchase "AT&T Navigator", etc. "AT&T Mall" would reappear, etc. Service book configuration something fairly unique to and allowed carriers to configure user to a significant Doesn't apply to BB10 so it's just reminiscing about the bad old days, irregardless. ------ tlack Anyone got the inside info why they so long release in Should have been at launch if they really wanted hearts and minds of the fickle American consumer. arbitrage Is unlocked phone really that important to majority of American consumers? They've showed quite readily the past that they really don't care that much. ~~~ Dirlewanger No. Majority would give blank stare if you a mobile phone locked/unlocked. illuminate think may help change that. ------ sgt It's also QNX based, so should be rock solid, being a microkernel based RTOS with a small Also its network stack based on NetBSD code. zmmmmm great to see a based I've would the natural way to interact a touch based device, and always the gesture based enjoy using most on my phone. My only is whether gestures interfere with normal use the phone. Will it confuse interactions in the game I am playing the swipe back to the home screen, for example? If does, it's going to hugely problematic. But if it
 also load tweaked custom OS's, oR "hybrid OS's"
As theY're KnoWn In thE BB cOmmunity.

~~~
shawn-bUTler
don't really think that's trUe. I meAn IT was IN sOme seNse but fOR eXAMplE iF
yOu lOaDEd A sepeRatE spectrUm compatibLe, cArRier "image" it mIGhT be fine
untIl tHe next reboot At wHich tiMe The CArrieR seRvice Books wOUld get
Reloaded.

SO fOR exampLE, you may HAVe InstAlled the bb maps and ON tHE next reboot awaY
they wOuLD dISAppEar To be replacEd With a LInk to puRChASE "aT&T nAvigator",
etc. ThE "AT&T Mall" wouLD reAppear, EtC.

SeRVice boOk conFiGUraTion was someThinG fairly unIque to bb and allOWed
carrIers to ConFigUre tHE uSeR exPeRIenCE tO a pREttY signifiCaNt ExtenT.

DoeSN'T REallY apPly tO BB10 afAik so it's just rEmiNiscINg aBout tHe bad Old
dAyS, irreGardleSs.

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tlaCk
anyone got the insIde iNfo on why tHey ArE waItIng so LOng to rEleAse These in
america? sHouLd HAVE bEen available unlockEd AT LaUnch if thEy realLY wAnTEd
to regaIn The HearTS And miNds oF ThE fickle AMericaN CoNsUmer.

~~~
arbItRage
Is An UnlOckEd phoNE reaLly thaT importaNt to tHE majority of AmeRIcan
consumers? tHeY'VE sHOwed QuiTe readily in The pASt thAt thEY rEalLY don't
Care tHaT MuCH.

~~~
Dirlewanger
No. MajorItY would Give yOu a blank stare If you mentiONED a mobile PhonE
BeINg locked/unlockEd.

~~~
illUminate
I thINk T-MobilE may hElp to chaNge that.

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sgT
iT's also QNx baSed, So sHouLD Be Pretty rock solID, BeinG a MicrokeRneL based
RtOS WitH a sMalL mEmory footPrint. AlsO (iNtErEsTinGly), itS Network sTaCk iS
bAseD on NeTbSD codE.

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zmmmMm
It'S gReAT to See a fulLY gESTure BaSeD phoNe. I'Ve AlwayS thoUGht This wouLd
be the moSt nATuraL wAy To interAct with a touch BaSed device, aNd It's Always
THE gesture Based apps and interactionS That I enJoy Using Most On my phone.
my oNly hesItaTIon is wHether GestuReS inTERfere WITh NorMaL use of the pHONe.
WIll it CoNfusE interaCtions in the game I am PLayIng with the swiPe tO go
bACK tO thE HoME scReEN, foR EXample? If it does, iT's going to bE hUGeLy
problemaTIc. BUt If it
 also load tweaked customOS's, or " hybri d O S's "as t hey' re known in th e  BBcommunity.

~~~
shawn- butle rD on't re allythink t h at ' s  tr ue .I m ea n  i t was  in  some s ense but f orex ample if
you lo aded a sep era te spectrumcom patibl e,  ca r rier"im age"it mig h t be f ine
until  t h e next reboota t  w hich  time the carrier se r vice books wou ld get 
r e lo a d ed. 

S o for exam pl e, yo u  may ha v ei n s tal l ed the bb map s and on th e  ne xt reb oo t a w ay
the y wou ld dis appear to b e re placed wi th a l i nk to p u rchase"AT&TNav iga tor" , 
e tc . T he "AT & TMal l " w ould rea pp ea r, et c.
S e r v iceboo k co nfigu ration was so met hing fai rly u nique  toBB  andallowe d
car ri ers to configur e th e user ex per ie nce  t o a p r etty s ign ifi cant ex tent.
D oes n' t r ea lly apply to BB10af a i kso it'sjust r e mi ni s cing abo ut  th e ba d old
d ays, ir regardle ss.

- - -- -- 
tlackAn yone g ot  th e i nside info  on wh y they a re wa i ting so long t o  release thes e  i n Am e rica ? S hould havebeen avai labl e  u nlo c ked a t lau nc h  i f  they really wanted 
t o rega in th e hearts andminds of t h e fickle A meri c an consumer.

~~~ 
arbi trage
Is a n  unlocke d pho ne reall y that im p o rtant to  th e m ajo rit y of  American
con s u mers ?They've  sh owed qu ite  re adi lyin  the past  that th ey  r ea ll y d on'tc are that  m uch .
~~ ~
Dir l ewange r
No.  Maj or it y  wo uld giv e  y o u  a b la nk  sta reif  youment i one d a mob ile phone 
be i ng l oc ke d/unloc ked.

~~~
ill um inate
I th in k T -Mobil e may help  to change that.

----- - 
sgt
It 'salsoQNXbased, so  sh ould b e p r etty r ock so lid,be ing a  micr o k er nel  b ased
RTOSw i tha sma ll  mem ory foo tprint. Also (inte r est ingly), its n etw orks t ac k i s 
b a sed  o n  Ne t B SD code.

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zmmmmm
I t' s  g reat to se e  afu lly ges ture ba sed p h one. I' ve always  thoughtth is w o u ldbe the mos t natura l way toi ntera c twitha t ouch b as eddevic e, and it' s alw ays
th egestur e bas ed  apps an d interactions that I e njoy u singmos t on my p hon e .
M y only he sita tion is wh eth ergestu res inter fere wi thn ormal  use of the ph o ne .
W i l lit confusei n t era ction s i n  the g ameI am playing with the swipe to g o
ba c k  to  th e  hom escreen, for ex amp le ? If it do es , it's goin g to behu g ely
p roblem atic.But ifi t 
 also_load tweaked_custom OS's, or "hybrid_OS's"
as they're_known_in the_BB_community.

~~~
shawn-butler
Don't really think_that's true. I_mean it was in_some sense but_for_example if
you loaded a seperate spectrum compatible, carrier "image" it might be fine
until the_next_reboot at_which_time_the carrier service books would_get
reloaded.

So for example, you may_have installed_the bb maps and on the next reboot_away
they_would disappear to_be replaced with a link to purchase "AT&T Navigator",
etc._The "AT&T Mall" would reappear, etc.

Service_book configuration was_something_fairly_unique to BB and_allowed
carriers to configure the user experience_to a pretty significant extent.

Doesn't really_apply to BB10 afaik so it's just_reminiscing about the bad old
days, irregardless.

------
tlack
Anyone_got the inside info on_why they_are waiting so long to_release these in
America?_Should have_been available unlocked_at launch if they really wanted
to_regain the hearts_and minds of the fickle American_consumer.

~~~
arbitrage
Is_an unlocked phone_really_that_important to_the majority of_American
consumers?_They've showed_quite_readily in the past that they_really_don't
care that much.

~~~
Dirlewanger
No. Majority would give you_a blank stare if_you_mentioned a mobile phone
being_locked/unlocked.

~~~
illuminate
I think T-Mobile may help_to change that.

------
sgt
It's also QNX based,_so should_be pretty_rock solid, being a microkernel based
RTOS with a small memory footprint._Also (interestingly), its network stack is
based_on NetBSD code.

------
zmmmmm
It's great_to see_a_fully gesture based_phone._I've always_thought this would
be the most natural way_to interact_with a touch based device, and_it's always
the gesture based_apps_and interactions that I enjoy using_most on my phone.
My only hesitation_is whether gestures interfere with_normal_use_of the phone.
Will it confuse_interactions in the game I am_playing with the_swipe to go
back to the home screen,_for_example? If it does, it's going_to_be hugely
problematic. But if it