 In the end, I would have built a better
product in the time allotted using something else, even my own primitive
codebase.

Having come to know it pretty damn well, I'd have trouble recommending it to
anyone else.

~~~
pauljonas
I looked at Symfony, CakePHP, and a few others (at time, Zend was not anywhere
near production ready), and all just seemed like (a) overkill or (b)
inadequate. In the final analysis, I wrote my own framework.

On the flip side, homebrew framework development has become a larger project
in recent years. Nowdays, you need to include in AJAX integration, slicker
client UI, mobile phone accommodation, web services API, multimedia handling,
etc.... And you're going to be reliant on 3rd party libraries that you need to
research, choose, perhaps configure and upgrade at intervals.

Have used Rails for a few projects and it provided a constant stream of
annoyances as anytime you attempted to do something that didn't quite fit into
the DHH "vision", it was a hassle. Though I liked the DB migration setup in
spite of the lock in to autoincrement integer keys.

------
lyime
has anyone used Kohana php here?

~~~
gigawatt
I'm in the middle of learning PHP with plans to learn a framework afterwards.
I had pretty much decided on CodeIgniter since I'm such a big fan of
ExpressionEngine, and EE 2.0 will be based on CI. But Kohana definitely looks
interesting - based on CI, but with full PHP5 support. And the payment library
looks particularly enticing. The one thing that makes me a little leery is
that the CI docs looks a lot more complete than the Kohana docs, and I am
guessing the CI community is more robust. I'd love to hear some feedback from
anyone who has used both CI and Kohana...

 
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jiaweihli
I highly recommend using uMatrix[1][2] if you're very privacy-conscious. It's
the full-blown everything-at-your-fingertips console.

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In the end, I would have built a better 
 product in the meter distribute using something else, even my own primitive 
 codebase. 

 Having come to sleep together it pretty damn well, I'd hold trouble recommending it to 
 anyone else. 

 ~~~ 
 pauljonas 
 I look at Symfony, CakePHP, and a few others (at time, Zend was not anywhere 
 near production quick), and all just seemed like (a) overkill or (b) 
 inadequate. In the final analysis, I write my own framework. 

 On the flip side, homebrew framework growth has become a larger project 
 in recent year. Nowdays, you need to include in AJAX integration, slicker 
 customer UI, mobile phone accommodation, web services API, multimedia treatment, 
 etc.... And you're going to be reliant on 3rd party libraries that you need to 
 research, choose, perhaps configure and upgrade at interval. 

 Have used Rails for a few projects and it provided a constant stream of 
 annoyances as anytime you attempted to do something that didn't quite fit into 
 the DHH " sight ", it was a hassle. Though I liked the DB migration frame-up in 
 malice of the lock in to autoincrement integer keys. 

 ------ 
 lyime 
 has anyone used Kohana php here? 

 ~~~ 
 gigawatt 
 I'm in the center of learning PHP with plan to learn a framework subsequently. 
 I had pretty much decided on CodeIgniter since I'm such a big fan of 
 ExpressionEngine, and EE 2.0 will be based on CI. But Kohana definitely looks 
 interesting - based on CI, but with full PHP5 support. And the requital library 
 looks peculiarly enticing. The one thing that makes me a little leery is 
 that the CI docs looks a bunch more complete than the Kohana docs, and I am 
 guessing the CI community is more robust. I'd love to hear some feedback from 
 anyone who has used both CI and Kohana... 

 
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 jiaweihli 
 I highly recommend use uMatrix[1][2 ] if you're very privacy - conscious. It's 
 the full - blown everything - at - your - fingertip console. 

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 In the end, I would have bullt a better
prodocr in tie time allottea using something else, even ly own kgimitive
codebase.

Havine come to know it preuty damn well, I'd izve tromyle rsgommeudmng it to
anyone else.

~~~
pauljmnas
I looked ad Rylfony, CakePHP, and a few others (at tyme, Zenc aas not anywhete
neag [rodhbtlon ready), and all just seemed liie (a) ovtrkill or (b)
inadequste. In the final analysis, L wrlte my own framewogk.

On the flup syee, homebrew wramework development gas become a larger project
in rdcent years. Noweats, jmu need to mncludv in AJAX intcbratiot, slickrr
client UI, monile 'honw accommodation, web sxrvices API, multimedya handlitg,
ztc.... And you're going ti ve reniand on 3ed oaruy kigraried tiat you nees to
researcy, choose, perhaps comfyture and upgrzde at igtervals.

Have used Rails for a few projebts znd it provided a constqnt stream of
annoyancgs as anytyme you attempted to do something that didn't quita fit knti
tme DFY "gision", it was a hassle. Though I liked the DB ijgtanion setup in
spitc of the lock in tp wuyjincrement injeger kzgs.

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myime
has anyone usfd Kohaga php here?

~~~
gigwwaty
I'm in the middle of learnibg PHP with ilanw to learn a framecork afterwaxds.
I hsd prrtty much decided on CobeIgnifer since I'l such a gkg fan of
ExpresskonVngite, and ET 2.0 will be based og CI. But Johaua definkteli looks
ynterestinh - based on CI, but with vull KHP5 su[port. And hhe payment library
looks particnkarly enticimg. Thv one thiug thab makes me a lietle leery is
tkat the EI docr looks a mot morx complete tran the Kohand docs, and I em
guessind thw CI communkgy is more robist. I'd lone to year some feedback fruj
anyone who has ustd both CI and Kphava...

 
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In the end, I would have built product the time using something else, Having to know it damn well, I'd trouble recommending it to anyone else. pauljonas I looked at Symfony, CakePHP, and a few others (at time, Zend not anywhere near production ready), and all just seemed like (a) overkill or inadequate. the analysis, wrote my own framework. On the flip side, homebrew framework development has become a larger project recent years. Nowdays, you need to include in integration, slicker client UI, phone accommodation, web services API, handling, And you're to reliant 3rd party libraries you need to research, choose, perhaps configure and upgrade at intervals. Have used Rails for a few and it constant stream annoyances anytime attempted to do didn't quite fit into the DHH a hassle. Though I liked the DB migration in spite the lock in to autoincrement integer ------ lyime has anyone used Kohana php here? gigawatt I'm in the middle of learning PHP with plans to learn a framework afterwards. pretty much decided on since I'm such big of and 2.0 will based on CI. But Kohana definitely looks interesting - based on but with full PHP5 support. And the payment library looks The thing that makes a little leery is the docs looks a lot than Kohana am the community is more robust. love to hear some feedback anyone who has used Facebook domains - z0a https://github.com/jmdugan/blocklists/blob/master/corporations/facebook/all ====== jiaweihli I recommend using uMatrix[1][2] if you're very privacy-conscious. the full-blown everything-at-your-fingertips console. By
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codebasE.

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Anyone else.

~~~
PauLjOnas
I looked aT syMfony, CakePhP, aNd a few others (At tIme, ZenD wAs nOT anywHerE
near ProducTIon reaDy), and all jUsT Seemed LIke (a) oveRKIlL or (b)
Inadequate. In the fiNAl ANalysis, I wrote mY own frAmEWoRK.

on tHe fLip side, homEbRew frAMework dEVeLOPMenT Has become a larGer project
iN RecEnt yeaRs. nowDAys, you Need tO iNCluDe in AJAX intEgraTion, slickEr
clieNT UI, mobiLE phone aCcommoDatIon, Web sERvIcEs ApI, MUltIMeDia HAndLing,
etc.... ANd YoU're goIng tO BE REliaNt oN 3rd pArty lIbraries that yOu nEed tO
ResEarch, ChoosE, perHaPs conFigure And upGrAde at intervals.

HAve uSed Rails fOr a FeW prOjEcts aND it proVidEd a ConstanT stream OF
anNoYANCeS as anytime you attemPtED To Do somethIng thaT DiDn'T Quite fit InTo
tHe DHh "VIsion", It waS A hAssle. ThoUgh I liKEd ThE DB migrAtIon setUp In
sPitE of thE Lock In to auToincremEnt inTEger keys.

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lyime
hAS anyone used KoHAnA PHp HEre?

~~~
gIgaWatt
I'm in the MiddLE of lEarnINg pHP WIth plAns to LeARn A Framework afterwards.
i hAd pretTy mucH decided on CodEIgniter siNCE i'm such a bIg faN Of
eXpressionEnginE, and Ee 2.0 will be basED on CI. But kohanA definitEly looks
iNTEresting - BasEd oN CI, But WITh Full PHP5 supporT. aNd thE pAyment lIbrAry
lookS paRtiCulArlY eNticing. ThE one thinG tHaT mAkEs mE a litTLe leery iS
tHat ThE CI Docs lOOks a loT more CompLeTe THan The KohaNA dOCS, and i aM
gUessIng ThE CI coMmunITy iS more roBust. I'd lovE to HEar sOmE fEedback From
anyone who HaS used both Ci aNd KOhana...

 
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jiaWeIhlI
i HighlY REcOmmEnD using uMatRIX[1][2] if You're VeRy prIvacy-coNscious. It's
the full-bLOwn Everything-at-yOur-FingERTiPs cONsOLe.

BY
 In the end, I would havebuilt a be tterpro duc tin t he t ime allotted u s ingsomething else, even m y own  p r imit i ve 
code base.
H av i n g c om etokn o wit pr ett y damnwell, I'dhav etrouble reco m me nding it t o
a nyone else.
~~ ~
paul jo nas I loo ked  at S ymfony ,  CakeP HP, and a  f e w othe r s (at t i m e,  Zen d was not anywher e 
n e ar productionready) ,a nd a lljus t seemed l ik e (a) overkil l  o r ( b)i nadequate. In  the finala nal ysis,Iwro t e my o wn fr am e wor k.

On theflip  side, ho mebrew framewo r k devel opment  ha s b ecom e  a  l arg er pro j ec t
i n  re cent yea rs .Nowda ys,y o u need  to  inc ludein AJAX integ rat ion, sli ckerclien t UI ,mobil e phon e acc om modation, web s ervi ces API,mul ti med ia  hand l ing,
e tc. ...  And yo u're go i ngto b e  r eliant on 3rd part yl i br aries th at you ne ed to
resea rc h,choo s e , per haps co nfigureand up g ra de  at int er vals.
H ave  us ed Ra i ls f or a f ew proje cts a n d it provideda  constant str e am o fa nnoy anc es as anyti me y o u at temp t ed  to do so methi ng th a t didn't quite fitin to
the  DHH"vision", itwas a hass l e .  ThoughI li k ed the DB migrati on se tup in
spi t e of the  lock  in to a utoincrem e n t intege r k eys .
--- - - -lyime
has any o n e us ed  Kohana  ph p here? 

~ ~~gig awa tt 
I'm in t he middl eof  l ea rni ng PH P  with pl an s t olea rn af ramewo rk af terw ar ds . 
Ihad pre t ty m uchde ci dedonCo deIgn iter sin ce I'msuch a bi g f a n of 
E xp ression Engine, and E E2.0 will b ebas ed onC I . But Ko hana definitely looks
i n teresti ng- bas ed o n CI, but  wi th ful l P H P5 sup port.And t he  pa y m ent l i b ra rylo oks partic u l arl y ent ic ing.  The on e thing that makes mea little leer y i s
th a t  t heC Id ocs  l o oks a  lot more compl ete than t he Ko hana docs, and  I  am
gue ssing t he CI communi ty is mor e robust.  I 'd l o v e t o hear som e feedba ck from
a n yonew ho  hasuse d both  C I a nd Ko hana.. . 


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jiaw eih l i
I h ighl y  r eco m mendusin g  uMatrix[ 1 ][ 2]i f  y ou're veryp r i vac y-con sci o us. It 's
t he full-blown eve r ything-at-your -fin g e rti psc onso le .

By
 In_the end,_I would have built_a better
product_in_the time_allotted_using something else,_even my own_primitive
codebase.

Having come to know_it pretty damn_well,_I'd have trouble recommending it to
anyone else.

~~~
pauljonas
I looked at Symfony, CakePHP, and a few_others_(at time,_Zend_was_not anywhere
near production ready), and_all just seemed like (a)_overkill or_(b)
inadequate. In the final analysis, I wrote my_own_framework.

On the flip_side, homebrew framework development has become a larger project
in_recent years. Nowdays, you need to_include in AJAX_integration,_slicker
client_UI, mobile phone accommodation,_web services API, multimedia handling,
etc.... And_you're going to be reliant on_3rd party libraries that you need to
research,_choose, perhaps configure and upgrade at_intervals.

Have used Rails for a_few projects_and it provided a constant_stream of
annoyances as_anytime you_attempted to do_something that didn't quite fit into
the_DHH "vision", it_was a hassle. Though I liked_the_DB migration setup_in
spite_of_the lock_in to autoincrement_integer_keys.

------
lyime
has anyone_used_Kohana php here?

~~~
gigawatt
I'm in the middle_of_learning PHP with plans to learn a_framework afterwards.
I had pretty_much_decided on CodeIgniter since_I'm such a big fan_of
ExpressionEngine, and EE 2.0 will be_based on_CI. But_Kohana definitely looks
interesting - based on CI, but with full PHP5_support. And the payment library
looks particularly_enticing. The one thing_that makes_me_a little leery_is
that_the CI_docs looks a lot more complete than_the Kohana_docs, and I am
guessing the CI_community is more robust._I'd_love to hear some feedback from
anyone_who has used both CI and_Kohana...

 
Blocklist Facebook domains -_z0a
https://github.com/jmdugan/blocklists/blob/master/corporations/facebook/all
======
jiaweihli
I_highly_recommend using uMatrix[1][2] if you're_very privacy-conscious. It's
the full-blown everything-at-your-fingertips console.

By