 10's life they decided you needed a better version of Windows to be
able to do the equivalent of a preseed or kickstart. 4 months of work
disappeared, plus the additional licence cost; need to run a domain etc etc.

Luckily I left soon after but trust me - at any future role I will look at
every possibility before Windows. I moved a subsequent client (large
international appliance manufacturer that you've heard of) to Linux servers
precisely because of this sort of shit.

Windows is done, it's just a case of when it disappears. This is exactly why
Microsoft are pushing Azure and Office - they know the outcome, they're just
squeezing the pips until it happens.

~~~
EpicEng
>Windows is done

Your use case is very niche compared to how MS makes most of its money on
Windows licenses. Windows isn't going anywhere until it's no longer pre-loaded
on every machine, enterprise customers stop buying it completely, and Linux is
much more user friendly on the desktop.

I don't disagree with anything else you said, admin'ing windows boxes is a
terrible experience.

~~~
sofaofthedamned
How the loving fuck can you expect to change the terms of engagement with your
OS after it's released and not expect to lose business?

I know for a fact the malware analysis software we used are now planning a
Linux version. I've literally persuaded a multinational to not continue using
.net and Windows servers because of my argument that it's not sustainable.
They alone are tens of thousands of Windows licenses that may go to Red Hat or
even Centos or Ubuntu.

Windows has already started to go - my son doesn't know how to use it, all
he's used is Google Docs or an iPhone / iPad. There is no love for Windows,
only halcyon remembrances from the likes of myself who remembered the golden
days of MSDN subscriptions. There is literally not a startup on the planet who
will decide 'fuck it, we'll use a windows domain and Office instead of o365 or
Google Apps.

~~~
EpicEng
>How the loving fuck can you expect to change the terms of engagement with
your OS after it's released and not expect to lose business?

Lock-in, that's how. The customers they
10's life they decided you needed a better interpretation of Windows to be 
 able to cause the equivalent of a preseed or kickstart. 4 months of work 
 disappeared, plus the extra licence cost; need to campaign a domain etc etc. 

 Luckily I entrust soon after but trust me - at any future role I will expect at 
 every possibility before Windows. I moved a subsequent node (big 
 international appliance manufacturer that you've heard of) to Linux servers 
 precisely because of this sort of shit. 

 Windows is act, it's just a case of when it disappears. This is precisely why 
 Microsoft are pushing Azure and Office - they know the outcome, they're merely 
 squeezing the pips until it happens. 

 ~~~ 
 EpicEng 
 > Windows is done 

 Your use shell is very niche compared to how MS makes most of its money on 
 Windows licenses. Windows isn't going anywhere until it's no longer pre - loaded 
 on every machine, enterprise customers stop buying it completely, and Linux is 
 much more user friendly on the desktop. 

 I don't disagree with anything else you said, admin'ing windows boxes is a 
 awful experience. 

 ~~~ 
 sofaofthedamned 
 How the loving fuck can you expect to deepen the term of engagement with your 
 OS after it's released and not ask to lose business? 

 I know for a fact the malware analysis software we use are now planning a 
 Linux version. I've literally persuaded a multinational to not continue use 
 .net and Windows servers because of my argument that it's not sustainable. 
 They alone are tens of thousand of Windows licenses that may start to Red Hat or 
 even Centos or Ubuntu. 

 Windows has already started to go - my son doesn't know how to use it, all 
 he's used is Google Docs or an iPhone / iPad. There constitute no love for Windows, 
 only halcyon remembrance from the likes of myself who remembered the golden 
 days of MSDN subscription. There is literally not a inauguration on the planet who 
 will decide' fuck it, we'll use a windows domain and Office alternatively of o365 or 
 Google Apps. 

 ~~~ 
 EpicEng 
 > How the loving fuck can you ask to change the term of engagement with 
 your OS after it's released and not expect to lose commercial enterprise? 

 Lock - indium, that's how. The customers they
 10's pife they decided you netded a better version of Windoss to be
xble to do the equivalent of a prestvd or kickstart. 4 montfs of worn
disappeqred, plus the avsitional licehge covv; need to run a domain etw etc.

Luckily I ldfc soon after but trust me - at any fueure roke I will look aj
everj [ossjbility before Windows. I moved a shbsequeit client (large
onternational appliance majufafturer that you've jeard of) to Lintz servers
prezisely because of this sort of shit.

Windows is done, it'r jusc a case of wyen ht disappeacs. Thif is exactly why
Micrmsoft ate pushing Azuve anv Ofdice - they know the ontcome, they're just
sqoeezing tha 'ips until it happens.

~~~
WpucEng
>Findmws kw dune

Gonr hse cade ms very nicge compared to how MS makes moxt if its money kn
Windjwf licenses. Windows isn't going anywhere lntim it's no longer pre-loadwd
on every machine, enjerprise ctstomers stop buying it completely, and Linux is
muwh moce ustr frievelj on the desktop.

I don't disagree with anything slxe you said, admik'ing windows boxes id s
jerrible experkence.

~~~
sofakfthedamned
How the loving fuck can you txpecy to change the terms of entagement witk yiur
OS after it's repeased and uot exkect tp lose business?

I know fur a fact the mwlware anzuysis software wd uxeg are now planning a
Linux dersion. I'te licerally oersoaded a multinatilnal bm not continue usijg
.net atd Windows servers because of my argument that it's not xuvtapnable.
Thev alonc are tens of trousands of Wiudows lieenses that may fo to Rxd Hat or
eveg Centos or Utontu.

Windows hes alreadr stqrtee to go - my son doesn't know how to use it, all
he's used is Gopglg Socs or an iPhout / uPad. There is np luve flr Wytdows,
only hancyov rdkembrxnces from bhe likrs of myself who remambeded the golden
days on MSDN suvscriptijns. There is kiterally not a stwrtup on the llaget who
will decide 'fuck it, we'lm use a wlndjws domain agd Onficg instead oy o365 or
Google Apps.

~~~
EpicEng
>How the loving fnck can you expect to cyange the terms of gngsgement witi
your JS after ht's released and not expect to lose bmsiness?

Lock-in, that's hos. The wustolers they
10's life they decided you needed a of to be to do the kickstart. months of work plus the additional cost; need to run a domain etc. Luckily I left soon after but trust me - at any future I will look at every possibility before Windows. I moved a subsequent client international manufacturer you've of) to Linux servers precisely because of this sort of shit. Windows is done, it's just case of when it disappears. This is exactly Microsoft are pushing Azure Office - they know the they're squeezing the until happens. EpicEng >Windows is Your use case is very niche compared to how MS makes most of its money on Windows Windows isn't until it's longer on machine, enterprise customers it completely, and Linux is much on the desktop. I don't disagree with anything you said, windows boxes is a terrible experience. sofaofthedamned How the loving fuck can you expect change the terms of engagement with your OS after it's released and not expect to I know for a the malware analysis we are planning Linux version. literally persuaded a multinational to not continue using .net and Windows because of my argument that it's not sustainable. They alone of of Windows licenses may go to Red or Centos or Ubuntu. Windows started go doesn't how use it, all he's is Google Docs or an / iPad. There is halcyon remembrances from the likes of myself who the golden days of MSDN subscriptions. There literally not a startup on the planet who will decide 'fuck it, use a and Office instead of o365 or Google Apps. EpicEng >How the loving can you expect to change the terms of engagement your after it's and not expect lose business? Lock-in, how. The customers
 10's life they decided you needed A better verSion oF WiNdoWs To be
Able To do the equivalENt of A preseed or kickstart. 4 monThs of WoRK
disAPpEared, Plus the ADdITIonAl LiCenCe COsT; need To rUn a domaIn etc etc.

LuCkiLy i left soon aftER bUt trust me - aT anY future role I WilL look aT
eVerY PossiBilIty beFore WiNDows. I mOved a subsEqUEnt cliENt (large
INTeRnatIonal appliance manUFaCTurer that you've Heard oF) tO liNUX seRveRs
preciselY bEcausE Of this sORt OF SHit.

wIndows is done, iT's just a case OF whEn it diSaPpeARs. This Is exaCtLY whY
Microsoft aRe puShing AzurE and OfFIce - they KNow the oUtcome, TheY're Just
SQuEeZinG tHE piPS uNtiL It hAppens.

~~~
EpIcenG
>WindOws iS DONE

YouR usE casE is veRy niche comparEd tO how ms maKes moSt of iTs moNeY on
WiNdows lIcensEs. windows isn't goinG anyWhere untiL it'S nO loNgEr pre-LOaded
oN evEry Machine, EnterprISe cUsTOMErS stop buying it complEtELY, aNd Linux iS
much mORe UsER friendlY oN thE desKTOp.

I doN't diSAgRee with aNythinG ElSe You said, AdMin'ing WiNdoWs bOxes iS A
terRible eXperiencE.

~~~
sofaOFthedamned
How tHE loving fuck caN YoU EXpECt to ChaNge the terms Of enGAgemEnt wITh YouR
oS aftEr it's ReLEaSEd and not expect to losE bUsinesS?

I knoW for a fact the mAlware analYSIS softwarE we uSEd ARe now planning a
linux Version. I've LIterally PersuAded a mulTinationaL TO not contInuE usIng
.Net AND WIndows servers BECausE oF my arguMenT that it'S noT suStaInaBlE.
They alonE are tens Of ThOuSaNds Of WinDOws licenSeS thAt May Go to RED Hat or
Even CEntoS oR UBUntU.

WindowS HaS ALreaDy StArteD to Go - My son DoesN'T knOw how to Use it, all
hE's uSEd is goOgLe Docs oR an iPhone / iPad. thEre is no lovE fOr WIndows,
ONLy halcyoN remembrances from the likES of myseLf wHo remEmbeRed the golDen
Days of mSDn SubscrIptionS. TherE iS liTERally NOT a StaRtUp on the plaNET whO
will DeCide 'Fuck it, wE'll use a windows domaIN anD Office insteaD of O365 or
GOOGlE ApPS.

~~~
EPIcENg
>hOw tHE Loving fuck can yoU expect to cHaNGe The terms of ENgaGeMent witH
your OS After IT's releaSed and not Expect to lOsE busINEss?

lock-in, that'S how. The cUstomers tHEy
 10's life they decided yo u needed a  bett erver si on o f Wi ndows to be
ab l e to  do the equivalent ofa pre se e d or ki cksta rt. 4 m o nt h s  of  w or k
d is a pp eared , p lus the  additiona l l ic ence cost; n e ed  to run adom ain etc etc. 

L uckily  I  le f t soo n a fterbut tr u st me- at anyfu t ure ro l e I wil l lo ok a t
every possibili t yb efore Windows.  I mov ed as u bse que nt client(l argei nternat i on a l app l iance manufac turer thaty ou' ve hea rd  of )  to Li nux s er v ers 
preciselybeca use of th is sor t  of shi t .

Wind ows is  do ne,  it' s  j us t a  c a seo fwhe n  it  disappe ar s.  This  ise x a c tlywhy 
Mic rosof t are pushing  Az urea ndOffic e - t heykn ow th e outc ome,th ey're just
sque ezin g the pip s u nt ilit  happ e ns.

~ ~~Epi cEng
>W indowsi s d on e Yo ur use case is ver yn i ch e compar ed toh ow  M S  makes m os t o f it s money  onW in dows lic enses. Wi nd ows isn 't  going  a nyw her e unt i l it 's nolonger p re-lo a ded
on every m a chine, enterp r is e cu s tome rsstop buying  itc ompl etel y ,and Linux  is
m uc h  m o re user friendly on  t he des ktop. 

I don't dis agree with a n ything e lsey ou said, admin'in g win dows boxes is a
ter rible  experie nce.

~~~ s ofaofthe dam ned 
Ho w t h e  l oving fuck ca n youex pect to  ch ange th e t erm s o f e ng agement w ith your 
O Saf te r i t's r e leased a nd  no texp ect t o  losebusin ess? 
Ik now  for af ac t thema lw areana ly sis s oftw a rewe used  are nowpla n ning  a 
L inux ve rsion. I've l it erally per su ade d a mu l t inationa l to not continue using .net an d W indow s se rvers bec aus e of m y a r gument  thatit'sno t s u s taina b l e. 
Th ey  alone are t ens  of t ho usan ds of W indows licenses th a t m ay go to RedHat  ore v en  Ce n to s  or  U b unt u . 

Windows has a lready sta rt e dto go - my son  d oesn'tknow ho w tou se it,all
he'sused is G oo gleD o csor an iPho ne / iPa d. Therei s nol ov e for  Wi ndows, 
o nly  halc yon re m emb rance s from  t he lik es of  m yself wh o remembered the golden 
daysof MS DNsubscript ion s . T here is l iter ally not a  st art up on  th e  plan et w h owil l  deci de ' f uck it, w e 'l l u s e  a  windows do m a i n a nd Of fic e  inste ad o f o365 or
GoogleA pps.

~~~
Epic Eng> H owthe lovi ng  fuck can youexp ec t to chang ethe terms o f engage me n t wit h
your  OS af ter it' s re l easedandnot  expect t o l os e  busine ss ?Lock-i n, t ha t's ho w. The cust o m ers they
 10's_life they_decided you needed a_better version_of_Windows to_be
able_to do the_equivalent of a_preseed or kickstart. 4_months of work
disappeared,_plus_the additional licence cost; need to run a domain etc etc.

Luckily I left soon_after_but trust_me_-_at any future role I_will look at
every possibility before_Windows. I_moved a subsequent client (large
international appliance manufacturer that_you've_heard of) to_Linux servers
precisely because of this sort of shit.

Windows is_done, it's just a case of_when it disappears._This_is_exactly why
Microsoft are pushing_Azure and Office - they know_the outcome, they're just
squeezing the pips_until it happens.

~~~
EpicEng
>Windows is done

Your use case_is very niche compared to how_MS makes most of its_money on
Windows_licenses. Windows isn't going anywhere_until it's no_longer pre-loaded
on_every machine, enterprise_customers stop buying it completely, and_Linux is
much more_user friendly on the desktop.

I don't_disagree_with anything else_you_said,_admin'ing windows_boxes is a
terrible_experience.

~~~
sofaofthedamned
How_the loving_fuck_can you expect to change the_terms_of engagement with your
OS after it's released_and not expect to_lose_business?

I know for a_fact the malware analysis software_we used are now planning a
Linux_version. I've_literally persuaded_a multinational to not continue using
.net and Windows servers because of_my argument that it's not sustainable.
They_alone are tens of_thousands of_Windows_licenses that may_go_to Red_Hat or
even Centos or Ubuntu.

Windows has already_started to_go - my son doesn't know_how to use it,_all
he's_used is Google Docs or an_iPhone / iPad. There is no_love for Windows,
only halcyon remembrances_from_the_likes of myself who remembered_the golden
days of MSDN subscriptions. There_is literally not_a startup on the planet who
will decide_'fuck_it, we'll use a windows domain_and_Office instead of o365 or
Google Apps.

~~~
EpicEng
>How_the_loving_fuck can you expect to_change the terms of engagement with
your_OS after it's released and not expect to lose_business?

Lock-in, that's how._The customers they