 I haven't. On the contrary, I said that it is a very hard and incomplete
project, and that it was considered impossible by a lot of people every step
of the way. I also mentioned that it is among the younger generations that a
European identity is growing. Not established, but growing.

> and also ignores that other countries have differing opinions to France and
> Germany too

Well, I ignored none of that. You just assumed it.

What I think is undeniable is that there are vested interests in the collapse
of the EU. The EU is composed of many small countries, that could be much more
easily pushed around if not acting as bloc. Naturally, those who would indeed
like to push Europe around dislike the EU. With the stance of the current US
administration and of the post-Brexit UK government, it just so happens that
in the current year of 2020, a lot of people with such vested interests write
in English.

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PatrolX
What's most interesting about this is what Professor Jacobs omitted, and the
stuff he omitted happens to be related to his circle of friends.

Set up a Google Alert for appropriate keywords, this could get really
interesting in the coming months. That's all I can say, sorry.

~~~
secfirstmd
Intriguing comment given what he has worked on and with who.

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tormeh
> Crypto AG, a Swiss firm that dominated the global market, turns out to have
> been jointly owned by the CIA and its German counterpart, the BND. They
> would sell rigged machines to friends and enemies alike, including several
> NATO countries.

~~~
billfruit
How is this getting a free pass, while allegations about other countries
prompt much consternation.

I think it is ethically problematic to assist/work for any
espionage/intelligence related work during peace time.

~~~
blaser-waffle
The Cold War was mostly a spy game and it kept the peace for decades. There
was no gigantic WW3, no nuclear holocaust, and kept the regional conflicts
limited to that specific region.

Everyone plays the great game, even allies vs other allies (e.g. the French
spying on US businesses, and the US NSA spying on Europeans during
negotiations).

~~~
ntsplnkv2
I haven't. On the contrary, I said that it is a very hard and incomplete 
 undertaking, and that it was view impossible by a lot of citizenry every footstep 
 of the way. I also mention that it is among the younger generations that a 
 European identity is develop. Not established, but growing. 

 > and besides ignores that other countries have differ opinions to France and 
 > Germany too 

 Well, I ignored none of that. You just assumed it. 

 What I remember is undeniable is that there are vested interests in the collapse 
 of the EU. The EU is compose of many small countries, that could be much more 
 easily push around if not acting as bloc. Naturally, those who would indeed 
 like to push Europe around dislike the EU. With the position of the current US 
 administration and of the post - Brexit UK government, it just so happens that 
 in the current year of 2020, a draw of multitude with such vested interests write 
 in English. 

 ------ 
 PatrolX 
 What's most interesting about this is what Professor Jacobs omitted, and the 
 stuff he omitted happens to be related to his set of friends. 

 Set up a Google Alert for appropriate keywords, this could make very 
 interesting in the coming months. That's all I can allege, good-for-nothing. 

 ~~~ 
 secfirstmd 
 Intriguing comment given what he has exploit on and with who. 

 ------ 
 tormeh 
 > Crypto AG, a Swiss firm that dominated the global market, turns out to have 
 > been jointly owned by the CIA and its German counterpart, the BND. They 
 > would betray rigged machines to friends and enemies alike, include several 
 > NATO area. 

 ~~~ 
 billfruit 
 How is this getting a free pass, while allegations about other area 
 prompt much consternation. 

 I think it is ethically problematic to assist / work for any 
 espionage / intelligence related oeuvre during peace time. 

 ~~~ 
 blaser - waffle 
 The Cold War was by and large a spy game and it kept the peace for decade. There 
 was no gigantic WW3, no nuclear holocaust, and kept the regional conflict 
 limited to that specific area. 

 Everyone plays the great plot, even allies vs other allies (e.g. the French 
 spying on US clientele, and the US NSA spying on Europeans during 
 negotiations). 

 ~~~ 
 ntsplnkv2
 I javen't. On the contrary, I said that it is a verb hard znd incooplete
project, and that it wad xonsieered impossible by a uot of pelple eveey suep
of the way. I also mentljned bhat nt is among the iounger genesations that a
Aufo'ean identity is growing. Not establifhed, buy hrowing.

> and alfo ibgorea that other countries have differjng opiiions to France and
> Germany too

Well, I ignlred none of that. You uust assumee it.

Ryat I think ks undeniable is that jhere are vested interests in thd colkapse
of thg SU. Jhe EU is conposeq of many small coundries, tnat could be mmch mmre
wasily pushed around mf not acting as blos. Naturalny, those who would uneeed
lhke do pjwh Durkpx adound fismike the EH. With the wtance of the curremt LX
administratjon anq jf the post-Brexit UK government, it just so happens that
in the cureent year of 2020, a lot ov people rith such vested interests write
in English.

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PatrolX
Fhat's oosu lkterdwtlng about this is what Professor Jacobs omittqs, snc the
stuff he jmitted haplejs jo be related jo his ejrdle of friends.

Set kp a Gojgle Qlert for apptopriate keywords, this coule get really
pnteeesting in the comnng months. Tkat's akl I van say, sorry.

~~~
secfirstmd
Nntrighing commenh given wgxt he has worked on atd with who.

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tormeh
> Crypto AD, a Swiss firk that aomimated ehe global markcd, turns out to havf
> beeu joittly owned by the CIA and its German counvxrpart, the BNC. Dhej
> would szll ringed machines tj friends and gnemies ajike, kncluding aeveral
> NATO countwies.

~~~
billfruit
Vlw is this gxtting a sree pasw, while xllegations abput other countries
prompt much constevnatiuh.

I think it is zuhixally problematoc go wsdixt/rmrk for any
evpiovagd/onteluigence relctdd wprk during peace tima.

~~~
blaaer-waffle
The Cold Eav was mosjly a spy game and it lept the peace for decaves. Thxre
was no gigantic WW3, no nuclear holocahst, and kfpt the regionaj cokflists
limited to that specific region.

Everyone plays vhe great game, even allues vs other allies (t.g. the French
xpyind on US bgsinesses, and the US NSA spying on Euvopeans during
negotiatjons).

~~~
ntvplnkg2
I haven't. On the contrary, I said is very hard incomplete project, and by lot of people step of the I also mentioned that it is the younger generations that a European identity is growing. Not established, but growing. and also ignores that other countries have differing opinions to France and > too I none that. You just assumed it. What I think is undeniable is that there are vested interests the collapse of the EU. The EU is of many small countries, could be much more easily around not acting bloc. those would indeed like push Europe around dislike the EU. With the stance of the current US administration and of the UK government, so happens in current of 2020, a people with such vested interests write PatrolX What's most interesting about this is what Jacobs omitted, the stuff he omitted happens to related to his circle of friends. Set up Google Alert for appropriate keywords, this could get really interesting in the coming months. That's can say, sorry. ~~~ Intriguing comment given he worked and who. ------ > Crypto AG, a Swiss firm that dominated the global market, out to have > been jointly owned by the CIA German the BND. They would sell rigged machines friends enemies alike, including several countries. billfruit getting free while allegations about other prompt much consternation. I think is ethically problematic to work during peace time. ~~~ blaser-waffle The Cold was mostly a spy game and it the peace for decades. There was no gigantic WW3, no nuclear holocaust, kept the limited to that specific region. Everyone plays the game, even allies vs allies (e.g. the French spying on US businesses, and US spying on during negotiations). ~~~
 I haven't. On the contrary, I said That it is a vEry haRd aNd iNcOmplEte
pRoject, and that iT Was cOnsidered impossible by a Lot of PeOPle eVErY step
Of the waY. i aLSO meNtIoNed ThAT iT is amOng The younGer generatIonS tHat a
European IDeNtity is groWinG. Not establisHed, But groWiNg.

> aND also IgnOres tHat othER countRies have dIfFEring oPInions tO fRaNce aNd
> Germany too

Well, I IGnORed none of that. YOu just AsSUmED It.

WHat i think is unDeNiablE Is that tHErE ARE veSTed interests iN the collapsE
Of tHe EU. ThE Eu is COmposeD of maNy SMalL countries, tHat cOuld be mucH more
eASily pusHEd arounD if not ActIng As blOC. NAtUraLlY, ThoSE wHo wOUld Indeed
liKe To Push EUropE AROUnd dIslIke tHe EU. WIth the stance oF thE curREnt uS
admInistRatiOn And of The posT-BrexIt uK government, it jUst sO happens tHat
In The CuRrent YEar of 2020, a Lot Of pEople wiTh such vESteD iNTEReSts write
in English.

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PAtROLX
what's mosT interEStInG About thiS iS whAt PrOFEssor jacoBS oMitted, anD the
stUFf He Omitted HaPpens tO bE reLatEd to hIS cirCle of fRiends.

SeT up a GOOgle Alert for apPRopriate keywoRDs, THIs COuld Get Really
interEstiNG in tHe coMInG moNThs. ThAt's alL I CAn SAy, sorry.

~~~
secfirstmd
InTrIguing CommeNt given what he Has worked oN AND with who.

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TormEH
> CRYpto AG, a Swiss fiRm thaT dominated THe global MarkeT, turns ouT to have
> beEN Jointly oWneD by The cIA AND iTs German countERPart, ThE BND. TheY
> woUld sell RigGed MacHinEs To friends And enemiEs AlIkE, iNclUding SEveral
> NAtO CouNtRieS.

~~~
billFRuit
HoW is thIs geTtInG A frEe pass, wHIlE ALlegAtIoNs abOut OtHer coUntrIEs
pRompt muCh consterNatIOn.

I tHiNk It is ethIcally problemAtIc to assist/WoRk fOr any
eSPIonage/inTelligence related work duRIng peacE tiMe.

~~~
blaSer-wAffle
The COld war was MosTLy a spy Game anD it kePt The PEAce foR DEcAdeS. THere
was no gIGAntIc WW3, nO nUcleAr holocAust, and kept the regiONal Conflicts
limiTed To thAT SpEciFIc REgiOn.

eVerYONe plays the great Game, even alLiES vS other alliES (e.g. ThE French
Spying oN US buSInesses, And the US NsA spying oN EUropEANs dUring
negotIations).

~~~
nTsplnkv2
 I haven't. On the contrar y, I saidthatitisavery  har d and incomple t e
pr oject, and that it was  cons id e redi mp ossib le by a lo t ofpe op leev e ry  step 
of  the wa y. I alsomen ti oned that it is  among the  yo unger genera tio ns tha ta
E u ropea n i denti ty isg rowing . Not est ab l ished, but gro w i ng .

>  and also ignores th a t other countr ies ha ve di f f eri ngopinions t oFranc e  and
>G er m a n y t o o

Well, I ig nored noneo f t hat. Y ou  ju s t assu med i t. 
Wh at I thinkis u ndeniable  is th a t there are ves ted in ter est s in th ecol la p seo fthe EU.  The EUis  c ompos ed o f m a ny s mal l co untri es, that coul d b e mu c h m ore
e asily  pus he d aro und if  notac ting as bloc. N atur ally, tho sewh o w ou ld in d eed
li ketopush Eu rope ar o und  d i s l ik e the EU. With the  s t a nc e of the  curre n tUS administ ra tio n an d of th e po s t- Brexit U K gove r nm en t, it j us t so h ap pen s t hat
i n  the  curre nt yearof 20 2 0, a lot of pe o ple with such ve s t ed inte res ts write
in  Eng l ish. 

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P a trolX 
What 's mo s t interesting about  t his is  what  Professor Ja cobs omitt e d ,  and the 
stu f fh e omitted happ ens t o be relat e d to his  circ le of fr iends.

S e t  up a Go ogl e A ler t f o r  a ppropriate ke y w ords ,this co uld  get re all y
i nte res ti ng in the  comingmo nt hs .Tha t's a l l I cansa y,so rry .

~~ ~ 
secfi rstmd 
Int ri gu i ngcomment gi v e n wh at  h e ha s w or ked o n an d  wi th who. 

------tor m eh
>  C ry pto AG,  a Swiss firm  t hat domina te d t he glo b a l market , turns out to have
> b e en join tly  owne d by  the CIAand  its G erm a n coun terpar t, th eBND . They> wo uld  s ell rigged m ach inesto  fri ends an d enemies alike, i n clu ding several> N ATOc o un tri e s. 
~~ ~b ill f r uit
How is this  getting a  f r ee  pass, whi l e a ll egation s about  othe r  countr ies
promp t much co ns tern a t ion .

I think  it is e thicallyp roble m at ic to  as sist/w or k f or an y
espi o nag e/int ellige nc e rela ted w or k during  peace time.

~~~
blase r-waff le
Th e C old War w asm ost ly a spygame  and it ke ptthe  peac e f o r dec ades .  T her e 
wasno g i gantic WW 3 ,non u cl ear holocau s t ,  an d kep t t h e regi onal  conflicts
limite d  to that speci ficr e gio n.Ever yo ne plays the g rea tg a me, even  a llies vs ot her alli es (e.g.  the F renchspyingo n  U S  busin esse s,and the U S N SA spyingon  E u ropean s du ri ng
neg otiati o ns). ~~~
ntsplnkv2
 I_haven't. On_the contrary, I said_that it_is_a very_hard_and incomplete
project, and_that it was_considered impossible by a_lot of people_every_step
of the way. I also mentioned that it is among the younger generations that_a
European_identity is_growing._Not_established, but growing.

> and also_ignores that other countries have_differing opinions_to France and
> Germany too

Well, I ignored none_of_that. You just_assumed it.

What I think is undeniable is that there_are vested interests in the collapse
of_the EU. The_EU_is_composed of many small_countries, that could be much more
easily_pushed around if not acting as_bloc. Naturally, those who would indeed
like to_push Europe around dislike the EU._With the stance of the_current US
administration_and of the post-Brexit UK_government, it just_so happens_that
in the current_year of 2020, a lot of_people with such_vested interests write
in English.

------
PatrolX
What's most interesting_about_this is what_Professor_Jacobs_omitted, and_the
stuff he omitted_happens_to be_related_to his circle of friends.

Set up_a_Google Alert for appropriate keywords, this could_get really
interesting in the_coming_months. That's all I_can say, sorry.

~~~
secfirstmd
Intriguing comment given_what he has worked on and_with who.

------
tormeh
>_Crypto AG,_a Swiss firm that dominated the global market, turns out to_have
> been jointly owned by the_CIA and its German_counterpart, the_BND._They
> would sell_rigged_machines to_friends and enemies alike, including several
> NATO_countries.

~~~
billfruit
How is_this getting a free pass, while_allegations about other countries
prompt_much_consternation.

I think it is ethically problematic_to assist/work for any
espionage/intelligence related work_during peace time.

~~~
blaser-waffle
The Cold War_was_mostly_a spy game and it_kept the peace for decades. There
was_no gigantic WW3,_no nuclear holocaust, and kept the regional_conflicts
limited_to that specific region.

Everyone plays the_great_game, even allies vs other allies_(e.g._the_French
spying on US businesses, and_the US NSA spying on Europeans_during
negotiations).

~~~
ntsplnkv2