 past several years, and ASP.Net earlier than that. They did buy,
and have expanded on the tools from Xamarin not shutter it. I'm not saying
they're altruistic in nature, no company is. I will say that their behavior in
the community, especially since Nadella took over has been better than any
other company of it's size or larger that I can think of.

I'm not saying forget or forgive the past, but accept the present.
Corporations, despite legalities, are not people. They are made up of people,
and a significant portion of management has rolled over in the past decade and
the outward facing culture shows that.

~~~
blub
You couldn't be more wrong.

Since Nadella is at the helm, Microsoft have started to aggressively gather
customer data from their desktop OS and many other products, including office.

They used to be very decent at this before Windows 10, but they went
completely nuts with telemetry. At the beginning they were completely opaque,
to the point that a German gov agency had to reverse engineer the
communications to see just wtf was being transmitted.

More recently the Dutch gov told them to fuck off if they don't cut off the
crap and MS was forced to negotiate new privacy terms with them.

Anything they have already and will open source pales in comparison to the
harms to our privacy, just like for Google. Although Google at least open
sources some useful things now and then....NET is Microsoft's dev platform
that no one cares about except Windows devs. It started as a JVM/Java clone
and grew into its own product, but for anyone not already all-in on MS tools
it makes zero sense to use it when there's so much choice.

~~~
tracker1
Windows isn't great... It's a single product of many from a very large
company, and one that other than the assigned computer at work, I don't
typically use. Beyond that, I don't mind the telemetry so much, though their
decision to emphasis telemetry over test labs and staff is irritating.

Also, been a few hours since I read TFA, but isn't even a focus of TFA.

They aren't locking their services and much new software into windows, and
aren't using windows to leverage other things in ways
past several years, and ASP.Net earlier than that. They did buy, 
 and have expand on the creature from Xamarin not shutter it. I'm not saying 
 they're altruistic in nature, no company is. I will say that their demeanor in 
 the community, especially since Nadella took over has been good than any 
 other company of it's size or bigger that I can think of. 

 I'm not saying forget or forgive the past, but take the present. 
 Corporations, despite legalities, are not multitude. They are make up of people, 
 and a significant portion of management has roll over in the past decade and 
 the outward face culture shows that. 

 ~~~ 
 blub 
 You couldn't be more wrong. 

 Since Nadella is at the helm, Microsoft have started to aggressively meet 
 customer data from their desktop OS and many other products, include office. 

 They used to be very decent at this before Windows 10, but they went 
 completely nuts with telemetry. At the beginning they were completely opaque, 
 to the point that a German gov agency had to reverse engineer the 
 communications to see just wtf was being transmitted. 

 More recently the Dutch gov told them to sleep together off if they don't dilute off the 
 crap and MS was force to negociate modern privacy terms with them. 

 Anything they have already and will unfold source pales in comparison to the 
 harms to our privacy, just like for Google. Although Google at least clear 
 sources some useful things now and then.... NET is Microsoft's dev platform 
 that no one cares about except Windows devs. It start as a JVM / Java clone 
 and grew into its own product, but for anyone not already all - in on MS creature 
 it makes zero common sense to practice it when there's therefore much choice. 

 ~~~ 
 tracker1 
 Windows isn't great... It's a single merchandise of many from a very large 
 company, and one that other than the impute computer at work, I don't 
 typically use. Beyond that, I don't mind the telemetry indeed much, though their 
 decisiveness to emphasis telemetry over test labs and staff is irritating. 

 Also, been a few hours since I take TFA, but isn't even a focus of TFA. 

 They aren't lock their services and much newfangled software into windows, and 
 aren't using window to leverage other thing in ways
 padt several years, and ASP.Ket earlier than that. Tiey did buy,
and fave expanded on the tools fcom Zamarun not shutter it. I'm nut saying
nhey're alrruiwric in natnde, no company ls. I ciol say that thgir behavior in
the communidy, edpecially since Nadella took over hws been bftter than any
jtheg sompzny of it's size or larger that I czn thinn of.

I'm not sauing forget or forgive the pash, but accept the pgesent.
Corpotztijbs, despite ldgalities, are not peopme. They are made up of people,
ana a sngnificant kodtlmn of managxment ras rolled oyvr in tve past decade and
the ouvware facing culture showv that.

~~~
blub
You coulqn't be mose wrong.

Since Nadeloa is aj the helo, Mizroaoht gave sharved to aggrsssively garher
customer data ftoi their desktol OS agd many other products, including office.

Thty ussd to be very decent at this before Windows 10, but they went
completely nuts with telemetry. At the beginnhng tieh wtrc zimoletely opaque,
to the point that a German gov wfemcj had to reverse cngineer the
communocwtojns to see jurt wtf waa being transmittef.

More rgcentlt the Dutsh gpv told them to fuck off if they don't clt odf the
crap and MS cas forced tu nebotiaye new privacy terms wich thej.

Anything tjey have zuready and will upek smurce pales in comparison eo the
harns tp our pfivavy, juse like for Google. Although Google wt lecst o[en
sources some useful things now and thei....IET is Microspfd's gev platyorm
thst no one carqs about excepj Windows devs. It startes as a OVM/Java clonq
and grew intm its own provuct, but sor qnyobe not xuready all-in om MS tools
it makes zero sense to use lt whgn there's so much chiice.

~~~
tracker1
Windpws isg't gceat... Yd's a single [rodjct pf mavy from a vcry larbe
company, and one thdt ofher than the assibncd computgr at worh, I don't
typicslly use. Beyond thwt, I von't mmnd thr tglemetry so much, though their
dedision to emihasis telemeery iver test lays and staff is irritating.

Also, been a fex hours since I read TFQ, but isn't even a fpgus of TFA.

Thxy areg't lockinc their services and much new softwart into windows, and
aren't using windlws to leverage other things in ways
past several years, and ASP.Net earlier than did and have on the tools I'm saying they're altruistic nature, no company I will say that their behavior the community, especially since Nadella took over has been better than any other of it's size or larger that I can think of. I'm not saying or the but the present. Corporations, despite legalities, are not people. They are made up of people, and a portion of management has rolled over in the decade and the outward culture shows that. ~~~ blub couldn't more wrong. Nadella at helm, Microsoft have to aggressively gather customer data from their desktop OS and many other products, including office. They used be very this before 10, they completely nuts with the beginning they were completely opaque, that a German gov agency had to reverse the communications see just wtf was being transmitted. recently the Dutch gov told them to fuck if they don't cut off the crap and MS was forced to negotiate new privacy them. Anything they have and will open pales comparison the to our just like for Google. Although Google at least open sources some things now and then....NET is Microsoft's dev platform that no about Windows devs. It as a JVM/Java clone grew its own product, but not all-in it zero to use it when so much choice. ~~~ tracker1 isn't great... It's a a very large company, and one that other the assigned computer at work, I don't use. Beyond that, I don't mind the telemetry so much, though their to emphasis test labs and staff is irritating. Also, been few hours since I TFA, but isn't even a focus of TFA. They locking services and new software into and aren't using to leverage other ways
 past several years, and ASP.Net Earlier thaN that. theY diD bUy,
anD havE expanded on the TOols From Xamarin not shutter iT. I'm noT sAYing
THeY're alTruistiC In NATurE, nO cOmpAnY Is. i will Say That theIr behavior In
tHe Community, espECiAlly since NAdeLla took over hAs bEen betTeR thAN any
oTheR compAny of iT'S size oR larger thAt i Can thiNK of.

I'm noT SAyIng fOrget or forgive the PAsT, But accept the prEsent.
COrPOrATIonS, deSpite legalItIes, arE Not peopLE. THEY Are MAde up of people,
And a signifiCAnt PortioN oF maNAgemenT has rOlLEd oVer in the pasT decAde and
the OutwarD Facing cULture shOws thaT.

~~~
blUb
YOu coULdN't Be mOrE WroNG.

SIncE nadElla is at ThE hElm, MiCrosOFT HAve sTarTed tO aggrEssively gatheR
cuStomER daTa froM theiR desKtOp OS aNd many Other PrOducts, including OffiCe.

They useD to Be VerY dEcent AT this bEfoRe WIndows 10, bUt they wENt
cOmPLETeLy nuts with telemetrY. AT THe BeginninG they wERe CoMPletely oPaQue,
To thE POint tHat a gErMan gov agEncy haD To ReVerse enGiNeer thE
cOmmUniCatioNS to sEe just Wtf was beIng trANsmitted.

More reCEntly the Dutch GOv TOLd THem tO fuCk off if they Don't CUt ofF the
CRaP anD mS was ForceD tO NeGOtiate new privacy terMs With thEm.

AnyThing they have Already and WILL open souRce pALeS In comparison to The
haRms to our prIVacy, just Like fOr Google. although GOOGle at leaSt oPen
SouRceS SOmE useful things NOW and ThEn....NET is micRosoft's Dev PlaTfoRm
tHaT no one carEs about eXcEpT WInDowS devs. iT started As A JVm/JAva Clone
ANd grew Into iTs owN pRoDUct, But for aNYoNE Not aLrEaDy alL-in On mS tooLs
it MAkeS zero seNse to use iT whEN theRe'S sO much chOice.

~~~
tracker1
WiNdOws isn't greAt... it's A singlE PRoduct of Many from a very large
compaNY, and one ThaT otheR thaN the assigNed ComputEr aT Work, I dOn't
typIcallY uSe. BEYOnd thAT, i dOn't MiNd the telemETRy sO much, ThOugh Their
deCision to emphasis teLEmeTry over test laBs aNd stAFF iS irRItATinG.

ALSo, bEEN a few hours since i read TFA, buT iSN't Even a focus OF TFa.

THey aren'T lockinG theiR ServiceS and much nEw softwarE iNto wINDowS, and
aren't uSing windOws to leveRAge otHEr ThingS in Ways
 past several years, and A SP.Net ear liertha n t ha t. T heydid buy,
and h a ve e xpanded on the tools f rom X am a rinn ot  shut ter it. I' m not  s ay ing 
t h ey 're a ltr uisticin nature,  no  c ompany is. I wi ll say tha t t heir behavio r i n
theco mmu n ity,esp ecial ly sin c e Nade lla tookov e r hasb een bet t e rthan  any
other compan y  o f  it's size orlarger  t h at I  ca n t hink of.
I' m not sayingf or g e t  or forgive the p ast, but ac c ept  the p re sen t .
Corp orati on s , d espite lega liti es, are n ot peo p le. The y  are ma de upofpeo ple, an da s ig n ifi c an t p o rti on of ma na ge menthasr o l l ed o ver  inthe p ast decade an d
t he o u twa rd fa cingcult ur e sho ws tha t.

~ ~~ 
blub
You could n'tbe more w ron g. 

S in ce Na d ella i s a t t he helm , Micro s oft  h a v e  s tarted to aggressi ve l y  g ather
cu stomer da ta from the ir  de skto p OS an d ma n yother pr oducts ,  i nc ludingof fice.
T hey  us ed to be v ery de cent atthisb efore Windows1 0, but they w e nt c om p lete lynuts with t elem e try.  Att he  be g innin g the yw er e  completely opaque, 
t o thepoint  that a Germa n gov agen c y had to r ever s ee ngineer the
co mmuni cations to see just  wtfwas bein g transmi t t ed.

Mor e r ece ntl y t h e  D utch gov told t hemto  fuck o ffif they  do n't  cu t o ff  the
crap  and MSwa sfo rc edto ne g otiate n ew  pr iv acy  term s  withthem. 

An yt hi n g t hey hav e  a l r eady  a nd  wil l o pe n sou rcep ale s in co mparisontot he
h ar ms  to our  privacy, jus tlike for G oo gle . Alth o u gh Googl e at least open
sources some us efu l thi ngsnow and t hen ....NE T i s  Micro soft's  devpl atf o r m
tha t no  on ecares abou t exc ept W in dows  devs.It started as a JV M /Ja va clone
andgre w in t o  i tso wn pro du c t,b u t for anyone no t alreadyal l -i n on MS to o lsit  makeszero se nse t o  use it  when the re's so m uc h ch o i ce. 

~~~
trac ker1
Win dows isn' t  grea t .. . It' s a  singl epro ductof man y  fr om avery l ar ge
com pany,  a nd one t hat other than the assi gned c omput erat work,I d o n't 
typicall y us e. Beyondtha t,I don 'tm ind t he t e le met r y somuch ,  though t h ei r
d e c is ion to emph a s i s t eleme try over t estlabs and staff is irritating.

A lso, b een  af ew h ou rs since I rea d T FA , but isn' teven a focu s of TFA .Theyaren't  locki ng thei r se r vicesandmuc h new sof twa re into wi nd ow s , andaren 't  using  windo w s to l everage other th ingsi n  ways 
 past_several years,_and ASP.Net earlier than_that. They_did_buy,
and have_expanded_on the tools_from Xamarin not_shutter it. I'm not_saying
they're altruistic in_nature,_no company is. I will say that their behavior in
the community, especially since Nadella_took_over has_been_better_than any
other company of it's_size or larger that I_can think_of.

I'm not saying forget or forgive the past,_but_accept the present.
Corporations,_despite legalities, are not people. They are made up_of people,
and a significant portion of_management has rolled_over_in_the past decade and
the_outward facing culture shows that.

~~~
blub
You couldn't_be more wrong.

Since Nadella is at_the helm, Microsoft have started to aggressively_gather
customer data from their desktop OS_and many other products, including_office.

They used_to be very decent at_this before Windows_10, but_they went
completely nuts_with telemetry. At the beginning they_were completely opaque,
to_the point that a German gov_agency_had to reverse_engineer_the
communications_to see_just wtf was_being_transmitted.

More recently_the_Dutch gov told them to fuck_off_if they don't cut off the
crap and_MS was forced to_negotiate_new privacy terms with_them.

Anything they have already and_will open source pales in comparison_to the
harms_to our_privacy, just like for Google. Although Google at least open
sources some_useful things now and then....NET is_Microsoft's dev platform
that no_one cares_about_except Windows devs._It_started as_a JVM/Java clone
and grew into its own_product, but_for anyone not already all-in on_MS tools
it makes zero_sense_to use it when there's so_much choice.

~~~
tracker1
Windows isn't great... It's a_single product of many from_a_very_large
company, and one that other_than the assigned computer at work,_I don't
typically use._Beyond that, I don't mind the telemetry_so_much, though their
decision to emphasis telemetry_over_test labs and staff is irritating.

Also,_been_a_few hours since I read_TFA, but isn't even a focus_of TFA.

They aren't locking their services and much new_software into windows,_and
aren't using windows to leverage_other_things_in ways