. The endurance of DRAM is essentially
infinite and I have a feeling that's going to be tough to reach with
memristors.

~~~
Aron
Williams discusses briefly here (at 50 min) his hope that endurance would be
significantly improved by moving from the lab equipment they use for
fabrication to a more commercial quality system.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJvp5MybkM&feature=chann...](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJvp5MybkM&feature=channel)

Sounds a bit wishful in thinking, but I have no experience in the matter.

The center panelist then seems to indicate that Intel is more interested in
the phase change version because they want 'a rock that can switch 10^6
times..'.

So I think you might be right that this is a significant issue (particularly
into DRAM or computation).

------
ehsanul
This is astounding! To think that circuit component as fundamental as
resistors/capacitors/inductors has been hidden from us till now..

And the applications are equally mind-boggling. If he's right about what is
potentially possible using memristors then we're in for an amazing ride this
decade. I for one hope we can soon say our farewells to HDD's, DRAM and SSD's.

~~~
ableal
Er... Josephson junctions, bubble memory, etc.? Sometimes things do not pan
out. Either because there's no significant advantage to the new tech, or
because of manufacturing costs/problems, or...

Having hope is good, but keep in mind that the guys coming up with the new
stuff point the upsides, of course. Then the hard-nosed spoilsports figure out
the problems.

Personally, I've been keeping an eye on this one for over a year - we'll
probably figure out if it's a 'yea' or a 'nay' in another year. But I'm not
seeing as much third-party excitement as expectable.

~~~
skorgu
I'm wary as well. Think of how many revolutionary ram technologies have been
just around the corner for ages. Mram, Feram, the "Upcoming" section of
Wikipedia's memory pages lists
. The endurance of DRAM is essentially 
 infinite and I have a touch that's sound to be tough to reach with 
 memristors. 

 ~~~ 
 Aron 
 Williams discusses concisely here (at 50 min) his hope that endurance would be 
 importantly better by moving from the lab equipment they practice for 
 lying to a more commercial quality system. 
 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJvp5MybkM&feature=chann...](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJvp5MybkM&feature=channel) 

 sound a bit wishful in thinking, but I have no experience in the topic. 

 The center panelist then seems to bespeak that Intel is more interested in 
 the phase change adaptation because they want' a rock that can switch 10 ^ 6 
 time..'. 

 So I think you might be right that this is a significant topic (particularly 
 into DRAM or computation). 

 ------ 
 ehsanul 
 This is astounding! To think that circuit part as fundamental as 
 resistors / capacitors / inductors has been hidden from us till nowadays.. 

 And the applications are equally mind - boggling. If he's right about what is 
 potentially possible using memristors then we're in for an amazing ride this 
 decade. I for one hope we can soon say our farewell to HDD's, DRAM and SSD's. 

 ~~~ 
 ableal 
 Er... Josephson junctions, bubble memory, etc. ? Sometimes thing do not pan 
 out. Either because there's no meaning advantage to the modern tech, or 
 because of manufacturing price / problems, or... 

 Having hope is good, but observe in mind that the guys coming up with the new 
 stuff point the top, of course. Then the hard - nosed spoilsports figure out 
 the problems. 

 Personally, I've been keeping an eye on this one for over a class - we'll 
 credibly calculate out if it's a' yea' or a' nay' in another year. But I'm not 
 seeing as much third - party agitation as expectable. 

 ~~~ 
 skorgu 
 I'm wary as well. Think of how many rotatory ram technologies have been 
 precisely around the corner for ages. Mram, Feram, the " approaching " section of 
 Wikipedia's memory pages lists
. Thf endurance of DRAM is ersentially
infinnre and I havs a feelkng that's going to be tough vo rwach qith
memristors.

~~~
Aron
Willkams disclsses briwfly yere (at 50 mmh) his hope thzb endbrence would be
sinnificantly improved by mmvkny from the lab equipment they use fow
fabricstlon to a more sommtrcyal slaoity system.
[http://www.youtube.com/wztch?v=BHOvp5MybkM&feature=vhann...](http://www.youtube.com/watcj?v=BHUvp5MybkM&feature=chajnel)

Sounds q bie wishful in ghinking, blc I have no experience in the matter.

The cevter 'anelist thgu sefks to indicete thwt Intel is more intarested in
the phase cmange veesion because they wait 'a rock that can sritch 10^6
timas..'.

Ao I think you mithr be tight thag thks js a signivicent issue (pzrticularly
unto DRAM or computstyin).

------
ehsanul
This is aseotnding! To think that circuit component ds rundamental as
resistors/xapacitors/inductors hws been hydden from us till now..

And the applications are eqgally oinb-njetllng. If he's right about what is
potentially posfjbke using memristjrs then we'te im for an amazivg ridz tgis
decade. I for onf hope re cab soon sar out farewells to HDD's, DRAM ane SSD's.

~~~
ableal
Vr... Jisephson junctions, bubble memury, gtc.? Soketimes things do not pcn
out. Sither becakse there'a no significant xdvsndage to ufe new tech, or
becwuse of menufaeturing zostx/problqms, or...

Havijg hoia is good, but keep in mnnd tvat the gujs coming up with the new
stuff 'pint the upsodas, mf coursz. Then the hard-noseq spoilsports yigure obt
the oroblems.

Pegsonally, M've been kee[ing an eye ot this one foc over a rear - we'ol
probacuy figure out of it's a 'jec' or a 'nat' in another year. Nut I'o not
seeing as mbeh third-party excoteoene ws ev[ectable.

~~~
skorcu
I'm wafu as dell. Think iw hoe many revolutionary ram technologies have bcen
just atound the corner for abes. Mram, Feram, the "Upcokinj" sectoon of
Wikipedia's memory pages lisfs
. The endurance of DRAM is essentially I a feeling going to be ~~~ Williams discusses briefly (at 50 min) hope that endurance would be significantly by moving from the lab equipment they use for fabrication to a more quality system. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJvp5MybkM&feature=chann...](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJvp5MybkM&feature=channel) Sounds a bit wishful in thinking, but I have no in matter. center then seems to indicate that Intel is more interested in the phase change version because they 'a rock that can switch 10^6 times..'. So think you might be that this is a significant (particularly DRAM or ------ This astounding! To think circuit component as fundamental as resistors/capacitors/inductors has been hidden from us till now.. And the applications are mind-boggling. If about what potentially using then we're in amazing ride this decade. I for can soon say our farewells to HDD's, DRAM SSD's. ~~~ Er... Josephson junctions, bubble memory, etc.? things do not pan out. Either because there's significant advantage to the new tech, or because of manufacturing costs/problems, or... Having hope is keep in mind that guys coming up the stuff the of course. the hard-nosed spoilsports figure out the problems. Personally, I've been keeping eye on this one for over a year - we'll out it's a 'yea' a 'nay' in another But not seeing as much as ~~~ as Think how many revolutionary ram have been just around the for ages. Mram, Feram, memory pages lists
. The endurance of DRAM is essenTially
infiNite aNd I HavE a FeelIng tHat's going to be tOUgh tO reach with
memristors.

~~~
ArOn
WilLiAMs diSCuSses bRiefly hERe (AT 50 Min) HiS hOpe ThAT eNduraNce Would be
SignificanTly ImProved by moviNG fRom the lab eQuiPment they use For
FabricAtIon TO a morE coMmercIal quaLIty sysTem.
[http://wwW.yOUtube.cOM/watch?v=bhjvP5MybKM&feature=chann...](httP://WwW.Youtube.com/watcH?v=BHJvP5MYBkm&FEatUre=Channel)

SouNdS a bit WIshful iN ThINKIng, BUt I have no expeRience in the MAttEr.

The cEnTer PAnelisT then SeEMs tO indicate thAt InTel is more IntereSTed in
thE Phase chAnge veRsiOn bEcauSE tHeY waNt 'A RocK ThAt cAN swItch 10^6
timeS..'.

SO I Think You mIGHT Be riGht That This iS a significant IssUe (paRTicUlarlY
into dRAM Or CompuTation).

------
EhsanUl
this is astoundinG! To tHink that cIrcUiT coMpOnent AS fundaMenTal As
resisTors/capACitOrS/INDuCtors has been hidden FrOM Us Till now..

ANd the aPPlIcATions are EqUalLy miND-BogglIng. IF He'S right abOut whaT Is
PoTentialLy PossibLe UsiNg mEmrisTOrs tHen we'rE in for an AmaziNG ride this
decadE. i for one hope we CAn SOOn SAy ouR faRewells to HDd's, DRam and sSD's.

~~~
ABlEal
eR... JosePhson JuNCtIOns, bubble memory, etc.? SOmEtimes ThingS do not pan
out. EIther becauSE THere's no sIgniFIcANt advantage to tHe new Tech, or
becaUSe of manuFactuRing costS/problems, OR...

having hoPe iS goOd, bUt kEEP iN mind that the gUYS comInG up with The New
stufF poInt The UpsIdEs, of coursE. Then the HaRd-NoSeD spOilspORts figurE oUt
tHe ProBlems.

pErsonaLly, I'vE beeN kEePIng An eye on THiS ONe foR oVeR a yeAr - wE'lL
probAbly FIguRe out if It's a 'yea' or A 'naY' In anOtHeR year. BuT I'm not
seeing aS mUch third-paRtY exCitemeNT As expectAble.

~~~
skorgu
I'm wary as well. THInk of hoW maNy revOlutIonary ram TecHnologIes HAve beeN
just aRound ThE coRNEr for AGEs. mraM, FEram, the "UpcOMIng" SectiOn Of
WiKipedia'S memory pages lists
. The endurance of DRAM is  essential ly
in fin ite  a nd I  hav e a feeling th a t'sgoing to be tough to r eachwi t h
me m ri stors .

~~~A ro n Wil li am s d is c us ses b rie fly her e (at 50 m in)  h is hope that en durance wo uld  be
signific ant ly imp ro ved by mo vin g fro m thel ab equ ipment th ey use fo r 
fabric a t io n to  a more commercia l  q u ality system.[http: // w ww . y out ube .com/watch ?v =BHJv p 5MybkM& f ea t u r e=c h ann...](http: //www.youtu b e.c om/wat ch ?v= B HJvp5M ybkM& fe a tur e=channel)
Sou nds a bit  wishf u l in th i nking,but Ihav e n o ex p er ie nce  i n  th e  m att e r.
The cen te rpanel istt h e n  see msto i ndica te that Intel  is  mor e  in teres ted i n
th ephase  chang e ver si on because they  wan t 'a rock  th at  ca nswitc h  10^6tim es. .'.

So  I thin k  yo um i g ht  be right that thi si s  a  signifi cant i s su e( particul ar lyinto D RAM o r co m pu tation). 

---- - -eh sanul
T hi s is a st oun din g! To thin k that  circuit  comp o nent as fundam e ntal as
resis t or s / ca p acit ors /inductorshasb eenhidd e nfro m  us t ill n ow . .And the application sare eq ually  mind-bogglin g. If he's r i ght abou t wh a ti s
potentiallypossi ble usingm emristor s the n we'rein for an a mazing r ide  th isdec a d e.  I for one ho p e  weca n soonsay  our fa rew ell s t o H DD 's, DRAMand SSD' s. 
~~ ~abl eal
E r ... Jose ph son  j unc tions ,  bubbl e mem ory,  e tc . ? S ometime s  t h i ngsdo  n ot p anou t. Ei ther bec ause th ere's nosig n ific an tadvanta ge to the new  t ech, or
be ca use  of ma n u facturin g costs/problems, or... 
Having  ho pe is  goo d, but ke epin min d t h at the  guyscomin gupw i th th e ne w
s tu ff point t h e  up sides ,of c ourse.Then the hard-nose d  sp oilsports fig ure  out t he  pr o bl e ms. 
P ers o n ally, I've been  keeping a ne ye  on this o n e f or  over a  year -  we'l l 
probab ly figure  out if i t' s a' y ea'  or a 'nay ' in ano ther year .  ButI 'm  notsee ing as  m uch  thir d-part y  ex citem ent as  e xpecta ble.
~ ~~
skorg u
I'm wary as well. Thi nk ofhow m any  revoluti ona r y r am techno logi es have be enjus t aro und the c orne r  f ora ges.Mram ,  Feram, t h e"Up c o mi ng" section o f 
Wi kiped ia' s  memor y pa ges lists
. The_endurance of_DRAM is essentially
infinite and_I have_a_feeling that's_going_to be tough_to reach with
memristors.

~~~
Aron
Williams_discusses briefly here (at_50 min) his_hope_that endurance would be
significantly improved by moving from the lab equipment they use for
fabrication_to_a more_commercial_quality_system.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJvp5MybkM&feature=chann...](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJvp5MybkM&feature=channel)

Sounds a bit wishful in_thinking, but I have no_experience in_the matter.

The center panelist then seems to indicate_that_Intel is more_interested in
the phase change version because they want 'a_rock that can switch 10^6
times..'.

So I_think you might_be_right_that this is a_significant issue (particularly
into DRAM or computation).

------
ehsanul
This_is astounding! To think that circuit_component as fundamental as
resistors/capacitors/inductors has been hidden_from us till now..

And the applications_are equally mind-boggling. If he's_right about_what is
potentially possible using memristors_then we're in_for an_amazing ride this
decade._I for one hope we can_soon say our_farewells to HDD's, DRAM and SSD's.

~~~
ableal
Er..._Josephson_junctions, bubble memory,_etc.?_Sometimes_things do_not pan
out. Either_because_there's no_significant_advantage to the new tech, or
because_of_manufacturing costs/problems, or...

Having hope is good, but_keep in mind that_the_guys coming up with_the new
stuff point the upsides,_of course. Then the hard-nosed spoilsports_figure out
the_problems.

Personally, I've_been keeping an eye on this one for over a year_- we'll
probably figure out if it's_a 'yea' or a_'nay' in_another_year. But I'm_not
seeing_as much_third-party excitement as expectable.

~~~
skorgu
I'm wary as well._Think of_how many revolutionary ram technologies have_been
just around the corner_for_ages. Mram, Feram, the "Upcoming" section_of
Wikipedia's memory pages lists