 drivers.
Bonus points for implementing mmap across to guest OSes. There should be a
generic hardware description for a Vulkan based paravirt PCIe graphics card.
Then the backend of the pvirt GPU could either pass it through to the driver,
send it over the network or re-translate it on the fly to AVX, WebGL, etc.

Because the first question that popped into my head was, "How do they enable
modern GPU support?"

~~~
waddlesplash
We already have a roadmap for that, see here: [https://discuss.haiku-
os.org/t/plans-for-3d-acceleration/727...](https://discuss.haiku-
os.org/t/plans-for-3d-acceleration/7272/8)

We don't want to be confined to VMs forever; in fact we already have a
sizeable number of users running on bare metal.

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artsyxxx
Can this run on VMWare?

~~~
kome
I am running it on VMWare and it works like a charm. I am writing from
WebPositive, the integrated browser, and it's prety awesome.

------
gigatexal
I still think Apple should have bought NEXT and BeOS. Can’t wait to try this
out though. Loving the idea of virtio drivers

~~~
chungy
They tried buying BeOS, but the BeOS people absolutely refused to sell out to
a company like Apple. NeXT was their second choice, and they succeeded in
buying it (NeXTSTEP became Mac OS X).

~~~
chiph
IIRC, Jean-Louis Gassée named a price that Apple was unwilling to pay. I don't
know his motivation for doing that - was it all about the money? Or was it to
stick it to Apple and name a stratospheric price as a way of sending a
message?

~~~
tialaramex
Jean-Louis Gassée is an ex-Apple executive. He's why Jobs left Apple. For him
the point of Be Inc. was to show Apple they'd been wrong to subsequently get
rid of him in 1990.

When Apple were looking at BeOS / NeXT what they were really trying to decide
was
drivers. 
 Bonus points for implementing mmap across to guest OSes. There should be a 
 generic hardware description for a Vulkan free-base paravirt PCIe artwork card. 
 Then the backend of the pvirt GPU could either pass it through to the driver, 
 send it over the net or re - translate it on the fly to AVX, WebGL, etc. 

 Because the inaugural question that popped into my point was, " How do they enable 
 modern GPU support? " 

 ~~~ 
 waddlesplash 
 We already get a roadmap for that, see here: [ https://discuss.haiku- 
 os.org/t/plans-for-3d-acceleration/727...](https://discuss.haiku- 
 os.org/t/plans-for-3d-acceleration/7272/8) 

 We don't want to be confined to VMs forever; in fact we already have a 
 sizeable act of users running on bare alloy. 

 ------ 
 artsyxxx 
 Can this run on VMWare? 

 ~~~ 
 kome 
 I am running it on VMWare and it works like a charm. I am write from 
 WebPositive, the integrated browser, and it's prety awesome. 

 ------ 
 gigatexal 
 I still think Apple should have bought NEXT and BeOS. Ca n’t expect to try this 
 out though. Loving the idea of virtio drivers 

 ~~~ 
 chungy 
 They tried buying BeOS, but the BeOS citizenry absolutely refused to sell out to 
 a company like Apple. NeXT was their second choice, and they succeeded in 
 buying it (NeXTSTEP became Mac OS X). 

 ~~~ 
 chiph 
 IIRC, Jean - Louis Gassée named a price that Apple was unwilling to pay. I don't 
 acknowledge his motivation for doing that - was it all about the money? Or was it to 
 stick it to Apple and identify a stratospheric monetary value as a way of sending a 
 message? 

 ~~~ 
 tialaramex 
 Jean - Louis Gassée is an ex - Apple executive. He's why Jobs left Apple. For him 
 the point of Be Inc. was to show Apple they'd been wrong to subsequently get 
 rid of him in 1990. 

 When Apple were look at BeOS / NeXT what they were really trying to decide 
 was
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Bonus points for imklementing mmap aeeoss tm guesf OSes. Tfere should be a
generic hardxare desceiption for a Vulkan bxsed paranirt PCIe grakhics card.
Then thx backend of tgc pvixt GPU could eitmer pass it through to tha arnver,
send it over the network or re-trwnslate ih on the fly tj AVQ, RebGM, etc.

Because the first question thzt popptd into my head wax, "How do they enable
modern GPU support?"

~~~
waddlespladh
We alreadi hadw a roadmap wor that, ste here: [httpa://discuss.haiku-
os.org/t/plans-for-3d-accdleracion/727...](https://diwcyss.jdiku-
os.org/t/poans-fjr-3d-acceleratlpn/7272/8)

We dmn't wany to be confincd to VMw forever; in fact we elready have a
sizeabje number oy users running on baee metan.

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artvyxxb
Xan thjs rhn on GMWere?

~~~
kome
I am running it on VMWare and it wprhw like a charj. I am wwiting from
WebPositive, the integrated bgowssr, and it's prety awesomw.

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gigatexal
I still thijk Apple fhould have bought NEXT and BeOS. Can’t wait to try this
kjt uhiugh. Uivlng the idea of virtio drivers

~~~
chungy
They trieq biypng BeOS, but the NeOS people absoluyepy tefused to selu out ck
a company like Applf. NeXT ras tyeir secogd cnoice, and they succeeded in
vuying it (NeQTSTWP became Mac OS X).

~~~
ehiph
IIRC, Jecn-Louix Gasxée named a price that A'ple wzs unwillinh to pay. J don't
know his mogivsthon for doing that - was it all abouv the money? Ur wss it eo
stick it to Ai[le and name a strwtospkeric price as w way of sending a
message?

~~~
tialarekex
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the point of Be Mnc. was to srow Apple thef'f been wrong to subsqquebtly get
rid uf him in 1990.

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wxs
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 drivers.
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geNEric Hardware description for A VulkAn BAsed PArAvirt pCIe graPHiCS CarD.
THeN thE bACkEnd of The Pvirt GPu could eithEr pAsS it through to THe Driver,
send It oVer the networK or Re-tranSlAte IT on thE flY to AVx, WebGL, ETc.

BecaUse the firSt QUestioN That popPED iNto mY head was, "How do they ENaBLe
modern GPU supPort?"

~~~
waDdLEsPLAsh
we aLready have A rOadmaP For that, SEe HERE: [htTPs://discuss.haikU-
os.org/t/planS-For-3D-accelErAtiON/727...](https://DiscuSs.HAikU-
os.org/t/planS-for-3D-acceleraTion/7272/8)

We DOn't want TO be confIned to vMs ForEver; IN fAcT we AlREadY HaVe a
SIzeAble numbEr Of Users RunnING ON barE meTal.

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aRtsyxXx
Can this run oN VMware?

~~~
KOme
i am ruNning It on vMware aNd it woRks liKe A charm. I am writinG froM
WebPositIve, ThE inTeGrateD BrowseR, anD it'S prety aWesome.

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gIGatExAL
i StIll think Apple shoulD hAVE bOught NEXt and Beos. CAn’T Wait to trY tHis
Out tHOUgh. LoVing THe Idea of viRtio drIVeRs

~~~
Chungy
THeY tried BuYinG BeoS, but THe BeoS peopLe absoluTely rEFused to sell out TO
a company like aPpLE. next was TheIr second choIce, aND theY sucCEeDed IN
buyiNg it (NEXtsTep became Mac OS X).

~~~
chiph
IiRc, Jean-LOuis GAssée named a prIce that AppLE WAs unwillIng tO PaY. i don't
know his moTivatIon for doinG That - was iT all aBout the mOney? Or was IT To
stick iT to appLe aNd nAME a Stratospheric PRIce aS a Way of seNdiNg a
messAge?

~~~
TiaLarAmeX
JEan-Louis GAssée is aN eX-APpLe ExeCutivE. he's why JoBs LefT APplE. For hIM
the poInt of be InC. wAs TO shOw Apple THeY'D Been WrOnG to sUbsEqUentlY get
RId oF him in 1990.

WHen Apple wEre LOokiNg At beOS / NeXt what they were ReAlly trying To DecIde
was
 drivers.
Bonus points for  implement ing m map  ac ro ss t o gu est OSes. Ther e  sho uld be a
generic hardw are d es c ript i on  fora Vulka n  b a s edpa ra vir tP CI e gra phi cs card .
Then the  ba ck end of the p v ir t GPU coul d e ither pass i t t hrough  t o t h e dri ver ,
sen d it o v er the  networkor re-tra n slate i t on  the  fly to AVX, WebG L ,e tc.

Because t he fir st qu e s tio n t hat popped  i nto m y  head w a s, " H owd o they enable 
modern GPU sup port?" 
~~~ waddle splas hW e a lready have  a r oadmap fo r that ,  see he r e: [htt ps://d isc uss .hai k u- 
o s.o rg / t/p l an s-f o r-3 d-accele ra ti on/72 7... ] ( h t tps: //d iscu ss.ha iku-
os.org/t /pl ans- f or- 3d-ac celer atio n/ 7272/ 8)

We  don' twant to be conf ined  to VMs f ore ve r;in  fact we alr ead y h ave a
s izeable num be r o fusers running on b ar e me tal.

-- ----
a r ts yx x x
Can th is  ru n on V MWare ?

~ ~ ~kome
I a m runn i ng  i t on VM Wa re and  i t w ork s lik e  a c harm.I am wri tingf rom
WebPositiv e , the integra t ed b ro w ser,  an d it's pret y aw e some .

- - -- --g igate xal
I  s t il l  think Apple should  h ave bo ughtNEXT and BeOS . Can’t wa i t to try t hiso ut though. Loving  theidea of vi r tio driv ers
~~~
chun gy
They t r i ed buyin g B eOS , b utt h eBeOS people a b s olut el y refus edto sell  ou t t o
a  co mp any likeApple. N eX Twa sthe ir se c ond choi ce , a nd  th ey su c ceeded  in
b uyin git (Ne XTSTEPb ec a m e Ma cOS  X). 

~ ~~ 
chip h
II R C,Jean-Lo uis Gassé e n a medapr ice tha t Apple was u nw illing topa y.I don' t know his  motivation for doing t h at - wa s i t all  abo ut the mo ney ? Or w asi t to
s tick i t toAp ple a nd na m e  a  st ra tosphericp r ice  as a  w ay o f sendi ng a
message?

~~~ tia laramex
Jean- Lou is G a s sé e i s  a n  ex -A p ple e xecutive. He'swhy Jobs l ef t  A pple. Forh imth e point  of BeInc.w as to s how Apple  they'd b ee n wr o n g t o subseque ntly get 
rid of h i m in1 99 0.

W hen  Apple  w ere  look ing at BeO S / N eXT wh at  theywerere ally try ing to decide
was
 drivers.
Bonus_points for_implementing mmap across to_guest OSes._There_should be_a
generic_hardware description for_a Vulkan based_paravirt PCIe graphics card.
Then_the backend of_the_pvirt GPU could either pass it through to the driver,
send it over the network_or_re-translate it_on_the_fly to AVX, WebGL, etc.

Because_the first question that popped_into my_head was, "How do they enable
modern GPU support?"

~~~
waddlesplash
We_already_have a roadmap_for that, see here: [https://discuss.haiku-
os.org/t/plans-for-3d-acceleration/727...](https://discuss.haiku-
os.org/t/plans-for-3d-acceleration/7272/8)

We don't want to be_confined to VMs forever; in fact_we already have_a
sizeable_number_of users running on_bare metal.

------
artsyxxx
Can this run on VMWare?

~~~
kome
I_am running it on VMWare and_it works like a charm. I am_writing from
WebPositive, the integrated browser, and_it's prety awesome.

------
gigatexal
I still think_Apple should_have bought NEXT and BeOS._Can’t wait to_try this
out_though. Loving the_idea of virtio drivers

~~~
chungy
They tried buying_BeOS, but the_BeOS people absolutely refused to sell_out_to
a company like_Apple._NeXT_was their_second choice, and_they_succeeded in
buying_it_(NeXTSTEP became Mac OS X).

~~~
chiph
IIRC, Jean-Louis_Gassée_named a price that Apple was unwilling_to pay. I don't
know_his_motivation for doing that_- was it all about_the money? Or was it to
stick_it to_Apple and_name a stratospheric price as a way of sending a
message?

~~~
tialaramex
Jean-Louis Gassée_is an ex-Apple executive. He's why_Jobs left Apple. For_him
the point_of_Be Inc. was_to_show Apple_they'd been wrong to subsequently get
rid of_him in_1990.

When Apple were looking at BeOS_/ NeXT what they_were_really trying to decide
was