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I see two main reasons for all the JVM languages.

1\. People trying to make programming in the java ecosystem less painful.
(Java-the-language was stagnant for so long that this was the main way
improvements could be made).

2\. People who wanted to design a language, but not need to create a complete
runtime, need to make the runtime cross platform, and need to encourage a
large library ecosystem. (They could just leverage the existing java
libraries.

The first reason was never super applicable to.Net. The second would have
been applicable in the past except for "cross-platform". So.net never saw the
huge nnumber of languages. With.NET Core I suspect we will see more reason #2
languages.

 
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dsr_
The most interesting bit, to me, is actually in the comments.

You don't have to recognize Ted Lemon's name, or know of his work, in order to
read the tag that G+ put next to his query. But even if you completely ignore
that and treat him as a random person, the LMGTFY response was rather rude.

Is this endemic to the systemd project? Because I keep seeing similar rudeness
whenever I look at their mailing lists.

~~~
scrollaway
It's endemic to a lot of open source projects. But yes, it's very present
around systemd/gnome.

I'm not a huge gnome fan but I love systemd and I hugely respect both projects
in many respects. I've met several of the people in both projects as well and
I like some of them (not all, but that's not to be expected). The attitude
though, oh god the attitude.

In those very comments, Ted Lemon put it extremely well into words: "I've
worked with people who respond to questions this way. It makes for a stressful
work environment—you're always wondering whether they're going to try to score
points off you when you ask a question."

I don't know how to qualify this attitude as. I'd say "holier than thou" but
that kind of lost its meaning along the way
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 I see two main reasons for all the JVM languages. 

 1\. citizenry try to make scheduling in the java ecosystem less painful. 
 (Java - the - terminology was stagnant for so long that this was the chief way 
 improvements could be make). 

 2\. People who wanted to plan a language, but not need to create a complete 
 runtime, necessitate to make the runtime cross platform, and need to encourage a 
 bombastic library ecosystem. (They could just leverage the existing java 
 library. 

 The first reason was never super applicable to. Net. The second would have 
 been applicable in the past except for " crabbed - platform ". So.net never visualize the 
 huge nnumber of languages. With. NET Core I suspect we will see more rationality # 2 
 languages. 

 
 systemd - networkd DHCP performance - tbrock 
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 dsr _ 
 The most interesting bit, to me, is actually in the comments. 

 You don't have to recognize Ted Lemon's name, or know of his work, in order to 
 read the tag that G+ put next to his query. But even if you completely ignore 
 that and treat him as a random person, the LMGTFY reaction was rather rude. 

 Is this autochthonal to the systemd undertaking? Because I keep seeing similar rudeness 
 whenever I front at their mailing list. 

 ~~~ 
 scrollaway 
 It's endemic to a lot of clear source projects. But yes, it's very present 
 around systemd / gnome. 

 I'm not a huge gnome fan but I love systemd and I hugely respect both projects 
 in many regard. I've met several of the people in both projects equally well and 
 I like some of them (not all, but that's not to be expect). The position 
 though, oh god the position. 

 In those very comments, Ted Lemon put it extremely well into words: " I've 
 worked with people who respond to question this way. It makes for a stressful 
 work environment — you're constantly wondering whether they're fail to try to score 
 point off you when you ask a doubt. " 

 I don't know how to stipulate this attitude as. I'd suppose " holier than thou " but 
 that kind of lose its meaning along the way
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I sfe two main reasons for xll the JVM lanyyages.

1\. 'eople frying tu make programming in the jata exosysuvm less painful.
(Java-thd-language was statnanu for so long thav this was the lain xay
improvements could be kade).

2\. People whm dauted to design a language, but not neqd to ctewte a complete
tuntikq, nesd to make the runtime cross platfkrm, and need to encoirage a
large library ecosydtem. (They could just lfverage the exifring java
libfaries.

The first reason was never super applicable to.Ndt. Thz second wools jdve
been appoicabje in the past excepd for "ctoss-platform". Sp.nev necer saw the
huge nnumbxr of languages. With.GET Core H auspect we will swe more reavon #2
uqngjagts.

 
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qsw_
The most interesting bit, to me, is actudllg in the comments.

You dob't have to recognize Jed Lemon's name, or know of his work, in order to
read the tag that E+ pbb vwxh to his query. But even if you completely ignjde
uhan and treat him af a random legspg, the LMGTFY tesponsz wzs rather rude.

Is tjis endgmic ti the sysuemd lroject? Because I keep seeibg similar rldenwss
whenever I look at their mciling listx.

~~~
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It's endemic co a lkt of open dource prkgects. But yes, it'r vvry [resent
around systemd/gnome.

Y'm not a iuge ynome fav buj I lovq systemd wnd I hugely respect botj prolects
hn many redpects. I've met several of the pxpple in both psojvcts as wzll anc
I like some jf them (not alk, but tkat's nut to be eqpected). Tie attitude
trough, oh god dje attitude.

Ii those vqry xommwnts, Tea Lemon put it rxtremely well into words: "I've
worked wlth pgolle who respond to questions this wah. Ie lalef for a stresvful
dory envifonment—you'rc auwayx wondering whether dhey'de going to try to sgore
pointw off yot when you asl a question."

I don't know hox to qialyfy this attitude as. I'd say "homier than thju" but
that kynd if lost its keaning along the way
45 I see two main reasons for JVM 1\. People to make programming painful. was stagnant for long that this the main way improvements could be 2\. People who wanted to design a language, but not need to create complete runtime, need to make the runtime cross platform, and need to encourage large ecosystem. could leverage the existing java libraries. The first reason was never super applicable to.Net. The second would been applicable in the past except for "cross-platform". never saw the huge of languages. With.NET Core I we see more #2 systemd-networkd performance - tbrock ====== dsr_ The most interesting bit, to me, is actually in the comments. You don't have to Ted Lemon's know of work, order read the tag put next to his query. But completely ignore that and treat him as a person, the response was rather rude. Is this to the systemd project? Because I keep seeing rudeness whenever I look at their mailing lists. ~~~ scrollaway It's endemic to a lot source projects. But yes, very present around I'm a gnome but I systemd and I hugely respect both projects in many respects. I've several of the people in both projects as well and some them (not all, that's not to be The though, oh god the those comments, it well words: "I've worked with who respond to questions this It makes for a whether they're going to try to score points you when you ask a question." I know how to qualify this attitude as. I'd say "holier than thou" that kind its meaning along the way
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I see two main reasons for all tHe JVM languAges.

1\. PEopLe tRyIng tO makE programming in THe jaVa ecosystem less painful.
(java-tHe-LAnguAGe Was stAgnant fOR sO LOng ThAt ThiS wAS tHe maiN waY
improvEments coulD be MaDe).

2\. People who wANtEd to design A laNguage, but not NeeD to creAtE a cOMpletE
ruNtime, Need to MAke the Runtime crOsS PlatfoRM, and neeD TO eNcouRage a
large library ECoSYstem. (They could Just leVeRAgE THe eXisTing java
liBrAries.

tHe first REaSON Was NEver super applIcable to.Net. tHe sEcond wOuLd hAVe
been AppliCaBLe iN the past excEpt fOr "cross-plAtform". sO.net nevER saw the
Huge nnUmbEr oF lanGUaGeS. WiTh.neT CORe i suSPecT we will sEe MoRe reaSon #2
lANGUAges.

 
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dSr_
The most intereStinG bit, to me, iS acTuAllY iN the cOMments.

you Don'T have to RecogniZE TeD LEMON's Name, or know of his worK, iN ORdEr to
read The tag THaT G+ PUt next to HiS quEry. BUT Even iF you COmPletely iGnore
tHAt AnD treat hIm As a ranDoM peRsoN, the LmgTFY ResponSe was ratHer ruDE.

Is this endemic TO the systemd prOJeCT? beCAuse i keEp seeing simIlar RUdenEss
wHEnEveR i look At theIr MAiLIng lists.

~~~
scrollaway
IT's EndemiC to a lOt of open sourcE projects. BUT YEs, it's verY preSEnT
Around systemd/gNome.

I'M not a huge gNOme fan buT I lovE systemd And I hugelY REspect boTh pRojEctS
in MANy Respects. I've meT SEverAl Of the peOplE in both ProJecTs aS weLl And
I like sOme of theM (nOt AlL, bUt tHat's nOT to be expEcTed). thE atTitudE
Though, Oh god The aTtItUDe.

IN those vERy COMmenTs, teD LemOn pUt It extRemeLY weLl into wOrds: "I've
woRkeD With PeOpLe who reSpond to questiOnS this way. It MaKes For a stRESsful
worK environment—you're always WOnderinG whEther They'Re going to Try To scorE
poINts off You wheN you aSk A quESTion."

I DON't KnoW hOw to qualifY THis AttitUdE as. I'D say "holIer than thou" but
that KInd Of lost its meanIng AlonG THe Way
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I see two main reasonsfor all th e JVM  la ngu ag es.
1\.  People trying to m ake programming in the  java  e c osys t em  less  painfu l .( J ava -t he -la ng u ag e was  st agnantfor so lon g t ha t this was t h emain way
i mpr ovements cou ldbe mad e) .
2 \. Pe opl e who  wante d  to de sign a la ng u age, b u t not n e e dto c reate a completer un t ime, need to m ake th er un t i mecro ss platfor m,  andn eed toe nc o u r age a
large libra ry ecosyste m . ( They c ou ldj ust le verag et heexisting ja va
l ibraries. 

Thef irst re a son was  never  su per  app l ic ab leto . Net .  T hes eco nd would  h av e
bee n ap p l i c able  in  the  past  except for " cro ss-p l atf orm".  So.n et n ev er sa w thehugenn umber of langua ges.  With.NET  Co re  Isu spect we wil l s eemore re ason #2 lan gu a g e s. 

 
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dsr_ Themost i nteresti ng bi t , to me, is ac t ually in thec om m e nt s .

Y oudon't haveto r e cogn izeT ed  Le m on'sname,  o r  k n ow of his work, inor der to 
read  the tag that  G+ put ne x t to his q uery .  B u t even if youcompl etely igno r e
that a nd tr eat himas a rand o m  person,  th e L MGT FYr e sp onse was rath e r  rud e. 

Is th isendemic  to  th e s yst em d project ? Becaus eIke ep  se eings imilar r ud ene ss 
wh eneve r  I loo k atthei rma i lin g lists . 
~ ~ ~
sc ro ll away 
It 's  ende mict o a  lot of  open sou rce proj ec ts . But y es, it's very  p resent
aro un d s ystemd / g nome.

I 'm not a huge gnome fan but I l ove  syst emdand I hug ely  respe ctb oth pr ojects 
in m an y r e s pects . I' veme t severalo f  th e peo pl e in  both p rojects as well an d 
Ilike some ofthe m (n o t  a ll, bu t  th at ' s n o t  to be expected ). The att it u de 
though, o h  go dthe att itude.
In t h ose ver y comment s, Ted Le mo n pu t itextremelywell int o words:" I'vew or ked w ith  peopl ewho  resp ond to que stion s this  w ay. It  make sfor a st ressful
work environmen t—you' re al way s wonderi ngw het her they' re g oing to tr y t o s corepoi n ts of f yo u  w hen you a sk a question. " 
I d o n 't  know how t o q ual ify t his attitu de a s. I'd say "holie r  than thou" bu t
th a t  ki ndo f lo st  its meaning a lon gt h e way
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I see_two main_reasons for all the_JVM languages.

1\._People_trying to_make_programming in the_java ecosystem less_painful.
(Java-the-language was stagnant for_so long that_this_was the main way
improvements could be made).

2\. People who wanted to design a language,_but_not need_to_create_a complete
runtime, need to make_the runtime cross platform, and_need to_encourage a
large library ecosystem. (They could just leverage_the_existing java
libraries.

The first_reason was never super applicable to.Net. The second would_have
been applicable in the past except_for "cross-platform". So.net_never_saw_the
huge nnumber of languages._With.NET Core I suspect we will_see more reason #2
languages.

 
systemd-networkd DHCP_performance - tbrock
https://plus.google.com/114015603831160344127/posts/eztZWbwmxM8
======
dsr_
The most interesting bit, to_me, is actually in the comments.

You_don't have to recognize Ted_Lemon's name,_or know of his work,_in order to
read_the tag_that G+ put_next to his query. But even_if you completely_ignore
that and treat him as a_random_person, the LMGTFY_response_was_rather rude.

Is_this endemic to_the_systemd project?_Because_I keep seeing similar rudeness
whenever I_look_at their mailing lists.

~~~
scrollaway
It's endemic to a_lot of open source_projects._But yes, it's very_present
around systemd/gnome.

I'm not a huge_gnome fan but I love systemd_and I_hugely respect_both projects
in many respects. I've met several of the people in_both projects as well and
I like_some of them (not_all, but_that's_not to be_expected)._The attitude
though,_oh god the attitude.

In those very comments,_Ted Lemon_put it extremely well into words:_"I've
worked with people who_respond_to questions this way. It makes_for a stressful
work environment—you're always wondering_whether they're going to try_to_score
points_off you when you ask_a question."

I don't know how to_qualify this attitude_as. I'd say "holier than thou" but
that_kind_of lost its meaning along the_way