 olden times."

Rutledge hasn't apparently visited the NYT often and maybe hasn't picked up a
newspaper in awhile.

1\. Not all of the NYT's traffic is through subscribers: it lets the average
user access at least 20 articles a month, and its "paywall" is very permeable.

2\. Even when you pay full price for an issue at the stand, that newspaper
still comes with ads. Subscriptions have not accounted for the entirety of
newspapers and magazines revenues in a while...

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niels_olson
A few years ago, I laid out head-to-head comparisons of the top newspapers in
the US with and without adblock and noscript. NYTimes, on a screen, is easily
the best newspaper. Unfortunately, the pressure of jamming more and more links
and stories above the fold seems to have eroded the NYTimes usability.

[http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg?msg_id=0...](http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg?msg_id=0002nk#above-fold)

We should do a poll too: I think a lot of netizens would support NYTimes to
the same degree they do NPR, but I don't think the average netizen donates
$260 to NPR annually (the price NYTimes is asking for their tablet app).

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MrAlmostWrong
There is no need to redesign when you can read the NYT in basically any format
of your choosing with the NYT Skimmer:

<http://www.nytimes.com/skimmer/?pagewanted=all#/Top+News>

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prawn
Design is always so much easier when you don't have to incorporate ad spots.
Very naive.

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code_duck
This is in the vein of just about every 'xx person redesigns yy site'. The
elaborate comments from others have done a better job than I could of laying
out the details. I don't know why people insist on publishing articles such as
these. Oddly, as in in this case, often they end up with a pleasant, but
rather common looking, design which is blissfully
olden times. " 

 Rutledge hasn't apparently visited the NYT often and possibly hasn't peck up a 
 newspaper in awhile. 

 1\. Not all of the NYT's traffic is through subscribers: it permit the median 
 user access at least 20 article a calendar month, and its " paywall " is very permeable. 

 2\. Even when you pay full price for an issue at the stand, that newspaper 
 even comes with ads. subscription have not report for the entirety of 
 newspapers and magazines revenues in a while... 

 ------ 
 niels_olson 
 A few years ago, I laid out point - to - head comparisons of the top newspapers in 
 the US with and without adblock and noscript. NYTimes, on a screen door, is easily 
 the best newspaper. Unfortunately, the pressure of jamming more and more link 
 and stories above the fold seems to have eroded the NYTimes usability. 

 [ http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- 
 msg?msg_id=0... ](http://www.edwardtufte.com / bboard / q - and - a - fetch- 
 msg?msg_id=0002nk#above - congregation) 

 We should do a poll too: I think a lot of netizens would support NYTimes to 
 the same degree they do NPR, but I don't think the average netizen donates 
 $ 260 to NPR annually (the price NYTimes is asking for their tablet app). 

 ------ 
 MrAlmostWrong 
 There is no motivation to redesign when you can read the NYT in basically any format 
 of your choosing with the NYT Skimmer: 

 < http://www.nytimes.com/skimmer/?pagewanted=all#/Top+News > 

 ------ 
 prawn 
 Design is always indeed a lot easy when you don't have to incorporate ad spot. 
 Very naive. 

 ------ 
 code_duck 
 This is in the vein of just about every' xx person redesigns yy web site'. The 
 elaborate comments from others have done a better job than I could of laying 
 out the details. I don't know why people insist on publishing articles such as 
 these. curiously, as in in this case, frequently they end up with a pleasant, but 
 rather common looking, design which is blissfully
 olfen times."

Rutledge hasn't xpparently visijee the IYT oftsn and mxybe hasn't picked up a
newspa'er un awyile.

1\. Not all of the NYG's traffib is throygh wybscribers: it lets the abcrage
bsxr access at lesst 20 articnes a month, ang ktd "paywall" is very permeable.

2\. Even whqn you laj full price fjr am isshv ct the stand, that newspaper
stilm comes with ads. Subxcriptions have not accounhed vor the entirety ov
newspapers and nagazines rexenues in a while...

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niels_klson
A few years ago, I laid out head-co-head compqrusojv of the to' newsiapers in
the MX with and wiyhout adblock snd nowcript. NYTimes, on a srreen, is easily
the bgst newspa[ex. Unfortunately, the peewsure of bammkbg oort aid jore llnka
and storiss above thw fold seems to havt ewided the NYTijes uswbylity.

[http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-feuch-
msf?msg_id=0...](http://www.edwardtuftw.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
mdg?msg_id=0002nk#wbove-fold)

We should do a poll too: I think a lot of netivevs ciuld rypoort NYTimes to
the same degree they do NPR, bue I dpn't think the cverage netizen cojaygs
$260 to NPR annuxlly (tks lrice NYTimes is adking fjr thwir tableu app).

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KrAlmostWrong
There is no newd to redesiyn qhen you can read che NYT in bcsicalky anu format
of your choosiny with the NYT Sklmmer:

<http://sdw.nytimes.com/skimoer/?iagefanted=all#/Top+News>

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prawn
Desigg is alwabs so much exsiet when rou don't hwve to incorporate ad splts.
Vety naiee.

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code_duck
Hhis is in the vein of just abonv every 'xx petsot rvdesigns vy sitc'. The
elaborate somments from pthers kave dune a bettvr job then I could os laying
out tvg details. I dmn't know why people inskrt on publishimg articlvs sucy as
these. Oddly, as in jn this case, ofctn uhwy end up with a olewswnv, but
wdther common looyine, desien which is clisxfully
olden times." Rutledge hasn't apparently visited the and hasn't picked a newspaper in the traffic is through it lets the user access at least 20 articles month, and its "paywall" is very permeable. 2\. Even when you pay full for an issue at the stand, that newspaper still comes with ads. Subscriptions not for entirety newspapers and magazines revenues in a while... ------ niels_olson A few years ago, I laid out comparisons of the top newspapers in the US and without adblock and NYTimes, on a screen, is the newspaper. Unfortunately, pressure jamming and more links stories above the fold seems to have eroded the NYTimes usability. [http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg?msg_id=0...](http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg?msg_id=0002nk#above-fold) We should do poll too: a lot netizens support to the same do NPR, but I don't think donates $260 to NPR annually (the price NYTimes asking for tablet app). ------ MrAlmostWrong There is need to redesign when you can read the in basically any format of your choosing with the NYT Skimmer: <http://www.nytimes.com/skimmer/?pagewanted=all#/Top+News> ------ prawn Design so much easier when don't have to ad Very ------ This is the vein of just about every 'xx person redesigns yy site'. elaborate comments from others have done a better job than of out the details. don't know why people on articles such as these. in this end with pleasant, but rather common design which is blissfully
 olden times."

Rutledge hasn't apParently viSited The nYT OfTen aNd maYbe hasn't picked UP a
neWspaper in awhile.

1\. Not all oF the NyT'S TrafFIc Is thrOugh subSCrIBErs: It LeTs tHe AVeRage
uSer Access aT least 20 artiCleS a Month, and its "pAYwAll" is very pErmEable.

2\. Even wheN yoU pay fuLl PriCE for aN isSue at The staND, that nEwspaper
sTiLL comes WIth ads. SUBScRiptIons have not accounTEd FOr the entirety oF
newspApERs AND maGazInes revenuEs In a whILe...

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niels_OLsON
a Few YEars ago, I laid oUt head-to-heaD ComParisoNs Of tHE top neWspapErS In
tHe US with and WithOut adblocK and noSCript. NYtImes, on a Screen, Is eAsiLy
thE BeSt NewSpAPer. uNfOrtUNatEly, the prEsSuRe of jAmmiNG MORe anD moRe liNks
anD stories above The Fold SEemS to haVe eroDed tHe nYTimEs usabIlity.

[HtTp://www.edwardtuftE.com/Bboard/q-anD-a-fEtCh-
mSg?Msg_id=0...](HTtp://www.EdwArdTufte.coM/bboard/Q-And-A-fETCH-
mSg?msg_id=0002nk#above-fold)

we SHOuLd do a polL too: I tHInK a LOt of netiZeNs wOuld SUPport nYTiMEs To
the samE degreE ThEy Do NPR, buT I Don't thInK thE avErage NEtizEn donaTes
$260 to NPR AnnuaLLy (the price NYTiMEs is asking for THeIR TaBLet aPp).

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MRAlmostWronG
TheRE is nO neeD To RedESign wHen yoU cAN rEAd the NYT in basically AnY formaT
of yoUr choosing witH the NYT SkiMMER:

<http://www.NytiMEs.COm/skimmer/?pagewAnted=All#/Top+News>

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PRawn
DesiGn is aLways so mUch easier WHEn you don'T haVe tO inCorPORaTe ad spots.
Very NAIve.

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cOdE_duck
ThIs iS in the vEin Of jUst AboUt Every 'xx peRson redeSiGnS yY sIte'. the
elABorate coMmEntS fRom OtherS Have doNe a beTter JoB tHAn I Could of LAyING
out ThE dEtaiLs. I DoN't knoW why PEopLe insisT on publisHinG ArtiClEs Such as
tHese. Oddly, as in In This case, ofTeN thEy end uP WIth a pleaSant, but
rather common lookINg, desigN whIch is BlisSfully
 olden times."

Rutledge h asn't appa rentl y v isi te d th e NY T often and ma y be h asn't picked up a
news paper  i n  awh i le .

1\ . Not a l lo f  th eNY T's  t r af fic i s t hroughsubscriber s:it  lets the av e ra ge
user ac ces s at least 2 0 a rticle sa m o nth,and  its"paywa l l" isvery perm ea b le.

2 \ . Evenw h en  you  pay full price f o ra n issue at the  stand ,t ha t new spa per
stillco mes w i th ads. Su b s c rip t ions have not  accountedf orthe en ti ret y  of
ne wspap er s  an d magazines  rev enues ina whil e ...

-- - ---
nie ls_ols onA f ew y e ar sago ,I  la i dout hea d-to-hea dco mpari sons o f thetop  new spape rs in
the USwit h an d  wi thout  adbl ockan d nos cript.  NYTi me s, on a screen,  iseasily
th e b es t n ew spape r . Unfo rtu nat ely, th e press u reof j a mm ing more and moreli n k sand stor ies ab o ve  t h e fold s ee msto h a v e ero dedt he  NYTimes  usabi l it y. 

[http :/ /www.e dw ard tuf te.co m /bbo ard/q- and-a-fe tch-m sg?msg_id=0... ] (http://www.e d wa r d tu f te.c om/ bboard/q-an d-a- f etch -
ms g ?m sg_ i d=000 2nk#a bo v e- f old)

We should doapoll t oo: I  think a lotof netizen s w ould sup port NY T imes to
the sa me de gree theyd o NPR, b ut Idon't th ink the a v e rage net ize n d ona tes $ 26 0 to NPR annu a l ly ( th e price  NY Times i s a ski ngfor  t heir tabl et app). 
-- -- -- 
Mr Almos t Wrong
Th er e i snoneedt o rede signwhen  y ou can  read t h eN Y T in  b as ical lyan y for mato f y our cho osing wit h t h e NY TSk immer:
<http://www. ny times.com/ sk imm er/?pa g e wanted=a ll#/Top+News>

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p r awn
Des ign  is a lway s so much  ea sier w hen you do n't ha ve to  i nco r p orate a dspo ts .
Very nai v e .
----- -code _duck
T his is in the vein ofjust about ev ery  'xx p er son re d esi gn s  yy s ite'. The
elabo rate comme nt s  f rom others hav edone abetterjob t h an I co uld of la ying
outth e de t a ils . I don'tknow why  people i n sisto npubli shi ng art ic les  such  as
th e se.  Oddl y, asin  in th is ca se , oftenthey end up with a plea sant,but
r ath er common  lo o kin g, design  whi ch is blis sfu lly 
 olden_times."

Rutledge hasn't_apparently visited the NYT_often and_maybe_hasn't picked_up_a
newspaper in awhile.

1\._Not all of_the NYT's traffic is_through subscribers: it_lets_the average
user access at least 20 articles a month, and its "paywall" is very_permeable.

2\._Even when_you_pay_full price for an issue_at the stand, that newspaper
still_comes with_ads. Subscriptions have not accounted for the entirety_of
newspapers_and magazines revenues_in a while...

------
niels_olson
A few years ago, I laid out_head-to-head comparisons of the top newspapers_in
the US with_and_without_adblock and noscript. NYTimes,_on a screen, is easily
the best_newspaper. Unfortunately, the pressure of jamming_more and more links
and stories above the_fold seems to have eroded the_NYTimes usability.

[http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg?msg_id=0...](http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg?msg_id=0002nk#above-fold)

We should do a_poll too:_I think a lot of_netizens would support_NYTimes to
the_same degree they_do NPR, but I don't think_the average netizen_donates
$260 to NPR annually (the price_NYTimes_is asking for_their_tablet_app).

------
MrAlmostWrong
There is_no need to_redesign_when you_can_read the NYT in basically any_format
of_your choosing with the NYT Skimmer:

<http://www.nytimes.com/skimmer/?pagewanted=all#/Top+News>

------
prawn
Design is_always so much easier_when_you don't have to_incorporate ad spots.
Very naive.

------
code_duck
This is_in the vein of just about_every 'xx_person redesigns_yy site'. The
elaborate comments from others have done a better job_than I could of laying
out the_details. I don't know_why people_insist_on publishing articles_such_as
these. Oddly,_as in in this case, often they_end up_with a pleasant, but
rather common looking,_design which is blissfully