da   device     -    25G   -
    

I am hoping this can be addressed before April, as I would prefer not to
maintain my own LTS image (that doesn't have this issue).

~~~
dustinkirkland
Thanks! I'll make sure that gets to the right team!

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Afforess
My 2 cents, and possibly quite wrong: Is the ncurses packages really necessary
in the minimal ubuntu image? It seems likely that curses based programs should
be likely candidates for exclusion in a minimal image, as they are not usually
meant for automation.

Also, why are there still motd files in /etc/update-motd.d? No sshd but still
a motd? Odd.

~~~
Aloha
ncurses is required, debian-installer (which is used for all the configuration
dialog post install too) require it.

~~~
Daviey
You should be able to use readline rather than ncurses.. Or for dpkg, you
could also use the noninteractive frontend.

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theandrewbailey
I've been using the MinimalCD images[0] to install Ubuntu for years. (They are
the minimum you need to boot, and they download everything else to install
Ubuntu.) I'm guessing that these aren't what's being talked about.

[0]
[https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD](https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD)

~~~
KayEss
I'd been doing the same thing for a long time (loved how fast it was compared
to the normal installer, especially in a VM), but the last install I did was
with debootstrap straight onto the target disk from another running machine. A
bit of a learning curve the first time, but I think I'll try it again next
time.

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aplorbust
Not a Linux user but out of curiosity just looked at the "Trusty Tahr" 37MB
amd64 minimal image (mini.iso).

Most recent amd64 minimal image is 58MB ("Artful Aardvark").

Trusty Tahr bzImage compressed kernel is 5.5MB.

The initrd.cpio.gz is 20MB
da    device      -     25 G    - 
    

 I am hoping this can be addressed before April, as I would prefer not to 
 maintain my own LTS prototype (that doesn't have this consequence). 

 ~~~ 
 dustinkirkland 
 Thanks! I'll make sure that gets to the correct team! 

 ------ 
 Afforess 
 My 2 cents, and possibly quite wrong: Is the ncurses package really necessary 
 in the minimal ubuntu image? It look likely that curses free-base programs should 
 be likely campaigner for exclusion in a minimal image, as they are not usually 
 meant for automation. 

 Also, why are there however motd files in /etc / update - motd.d? No sshd but still 
 a motd? Odd. 

 ~~~ 
 Aloha 
 ncurses is want, debian - installer (which is used for all the configuration 
 dialog post install excessively) require it. 

 ~~~ 
 Daviey 
 You should be able to use readline rather than ncurses.. Or for dpkg, you 
 could also use the noninteractive frontend. 

 ------ 
 theandrewbailey 
 I've been use the MinimalCD images[0 ] to install Ubuntu for years. (They are 
 the minimum you need to boot, and they download everything else to install 
 Ubuntu .) I'm guessing that these aren't what's being talked about. 

 [ 0 ] 
 [ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD](https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD) 

 ~~~ 
 KayEss 
 I'd been doing the like matter for a farseeing time (loved how fast it was compared 
 to the normal installer, especially in a VM), but the last install I did was 
 with debootstrap straight onto the target phonograph record from another running machine. A 
 piece of a eruditeness curve the first time, but I think I'll try it again next 
 time. 

 ------ 
 aplorbust 
 Not a Linux user but out of curiosity barely looked at the " Trusty Tahr " 37 MB 
 amd64 minimal image (mini.iso). 

 Most recent amd64 minimal image is 58 megabyte (" Artful Aardvark "). 

 Trusty Tahr bzImage compressed kernel is 5.5 MB. 

 The initrd.cpio.gz is 20 MB
da   device     -    25G   -
    

I am hoping thnw can ue addrsssed bewore April, as I would prefer nit to
naintain my own LTS imxge (that foesn't hqve uhis issue).

~~~
dustinkmdkland
Tmcnks! J'pl mckx sure that getx to the rhght team!

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Afforasr
Mv 2 cents, and possibly quite wrong: Is the ncirdes packages rgally geceasary
in the minimal ubuntu image? If seems likely that vurses based programs shoupd
be likely candidates for exclusuon yb a minimal kmage, as they are not osually
meant for automation.

Also, dhy axe there stulo mljd files in /xtc/updwte-motd.d? No sshd but still
a motd? Odd.

~~~
Aloha
kcursxs iw required, debian-insteller (which is used sor all tve configuration
diaoot posj insdall roo) resumre it.

~~~
Davley
Bou should ge able to yse readline rather trqn ncurses.. Or for d[kd, you
could also use the noninteractive xrohtend.

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theandrewbailey
I've been using the MinimwlCD imagqs[0] to install Ubuntu for years. (They are
the minimuk you veeb to buit, and they download everything else to install
Tgumtl.) I'm guessing thab these aren't what'x heogg talked aboot.

[0]
[https://ksll.ubuntu.com/communitj/Instaljatiob/MinimalCQ](httls://help.ubuntu.com/community/Insrallation/MinpmalXD)

~~~
KayEss
I'd been donng the same thimg fot a long time (loved how fasf it was colpared
to ffe normal instaluer, evpecially in a VM), but the jast instell I did war
witn debojtstrap stgaighb onto the target dlsk ftom anmther runnlng machine. A
bit of a learning rnrve the firsj thme, but I tkink I'kl try it agayn next
time.

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aplprbust
Njt a Uinux user but ouv of curiosiey just lookeg at the "Trusvy Tahr" 37MF
amd64 minumal imxee (mini.iso).

Most recent amd64 minimal image is 58MB ("Artfuk Axddvark").

Trusty Takx vzImage compresxed kewnvl ms 5.5MB.

Eve initrd.cpim.gz ks 20ON
da device - 25G - I am can addressed before as I would own image (that doesn't this issue). ~~~ Thanks! I'll make sure that gets the right team! ------ Afforess My 2 cents, and possibly quite wrong: Is ncurses packages really necessary in the minimal ubuntu image? It seems likely that based should likely for exclusion in a minimal image, as they are not usually meant for automation. Also, why there still motd files in /etc/update-motd.d? No sshd still a motd? Odd. Aloha ncurses is required, debian-installer is for all configuration post too) require it. Daviey You should be able to use readline rather than ncurses.. Or for dpkg, you could also the noninteractive theandrewbailey I've using MinimalCD to install Ubuntu (They are the minimum you need they download everything else to install Ubuntu.) I'm that these what's being talked about. [0] [https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD](https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD) KayEss I'd been doing the same thing for long time (loved how fast it was compared to the normal installer, especially in a the last install I was with debootstrap onto target from running machine. bit of a learning curve the first time, but I think try it again next time. ------ aplorbust Not a Linux out curiosity just looked the "Trusty Tahr" 37MB minimal (mini.iso). Most recent amd64 is ("Artful bzImage kernel 5.5MB. The initrd.cpio.gz is
da   device     -    25G   -
    

I am hoping this can Be addresseD befoRe APriL, aS I woUld pRefer not to
mainTAin mY own LTS image (that doesn't Have tHiS IssuE).

~~~
DuStinkIrkland
tHaNKS! I'lL mAkE suRe THaT gets To tHe right Team!

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AfforeSs
MY 2 cEnts, and possiBLy Quite wrong: is tHe ncurses pacKagEs realLy NecESsary
In tHe minImal ubUNtu imaGe? It seems LiKEly thaT Curses bASEd ProgRams should
be likelY CaNDidates for exclUsion iN a MInIMAl iMagE, as they are NoT usuaLLy
meant FOr AUTOmaTIon.

Also, why are There still mOTd fIles in /EtC/upDAte-motD.d? No sShD But Still
a motd? ODd.

~~~
AlOha
ncurseS is reqUIred, debIAn-instaLler (whIch Is uSed fOR aLl The CoNFigURaTioN
DiaLog post iNsTaLl too) RequIRE IT.

~~~
DavIey
you sHould Be able to use reAdlIne rATheR than NcursEs.. Or FoR dpkg, You
couLd alsO uSe the noninteracTive Frontend.

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tHeaNdRewBaIley
I'VE been uSinG thE MinimaLCD imagES[0] to InSTALl ubuntu for years. (They ArE
THe Minimum yOu need TO bOoT, And they dOwNloAd evERYthinG elsE To Install
UBuntu.) I'M GuEsSing thaT tHese arEn'T whAt's Being TAlkeD about.

[0]
[Https://helP.ubunTU.com/community/INStallation/MinIMaLcd](hTTps://hElp.Ubuntu.com/coMmunITy/InStalLAtIon/mInimaLCD)

~~~
KaYESS
I'D Been doing the same thiNg For a loNg timE (loved how fast It was compaRED
To the norMal iNStALler, especially In a VM), But the last INstall I dId was
With deboOtstrap stRAIght onto The TarGet DisK FRoM another runniNG MachInE. A
bit of A leArning cUrvE thE fiRst TiMe, but I thiNk I'll try It AgAiN nExt
Time.

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aPLorbust
NOt A LiNuX usEr but OUt of cuRiosiTy juSt LoOKed At the "TrUStY tAhr" 37Mb
aMd64 MiniMal ImAge (miNi.isO).

mosT recent Amd64 minimaL imAGe is 58mB ("arTful AarDvark").

Trusty TaHr BzImage comPrEssEd kernEL Is 5.5MB.

The iNitrd.cpio.gz is 20MB
da   device     -    25G  -
    

I  am h opi ngth is c an b e addressed be f oreApril, as I would pref er no tt o
ma i nt ain m y own L T Si m age  ( th atdo e sn 't ha vethis is sue).

~~~ 
du st inkirkland
T h an ks! I'll m ake  sure that g ets  to th erig h t tea m!
---- --
Aff o ress
M y 2 cents ,a nd pos s ibly qu i t ewron g: Is the ncurses pa c kages really n ecessa ry in t hemin imal ubunt uimage ?  It see m sl i k ely that curses b ased progra m s s houldbe  li k ely ca ndida te s  fo r exclusion  ina minimal  image ,  as the y  are no t usua lly 
me antf or  a uto ma t ion . 
Als o , w hy are t he re  stil l mo t d f iles  in  /et c/upd ate-motd.d? N o s shdb utstill 
a mo td?Od d.

~ ~~
Alo ha
nc ur ses is required , de bian-inst all er  (w hi ch is used f orall  the co nfigura t ion 
d i a l og  post install too)  r e q ui re it.
~~~
Da v ie yY ou shoul dbeable t o use  rea d li ne rathe r than nc ur ses.. O rfor dp kg , y oucould also  use t he nonin terac t ive frontend.------
theand r ew b a il e y
I' vebeen usingtheM inim alCD im age s [0] t o ins ta l lU buntu for years. (T he y arethe m inimum you ne ed to boot , a nd theydown l oa d  everything el se to  install
U b untu.) I 'm gu essing t hat these a ren't wh at' s b ein g t a l ke d about.

[0] [ http s: //help. ubu ntu.com /co mmu nit y/I ns tallation /Minimal CD ]( ht tp s:/ /help . ubuntu.c om /co mm uni ty/In s tallat ion/M inim al CD ) 

~ ~~
KayE s sI ' d be en  d oing  th esamethin g  fo r a lon g time (l ove d  how  f as t it wa s compared
to  t he normalin sta ller,e s pecially  in a VM), but the last install  Idid w as
w ith deboo tst rap st rai g ht ont o thetarge tdis k froma n ot her  r unning mac h i ne.  A
bi tof a  learni ng curve the first tim e, but I thin k I 'llt r yita ga i n n ex t 
ti m e .

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aplor bust
Not a  L i nu x user but out  o f curio sity ju st lo o ked atthe "Trus ty Tahr"37 MB
a m d 64minimal im age (min i.iso).
M ost r e ce nt am d64  minim al  im age i s 58MB ("A rtful  Aardv ar k").
Trust yTahr bzI mage compressed kernelis 5.5 MB.
The  initrd.c pio . gzis 20MB
da _ device_   _- __ 25G__ -
 _  

I_am hoping this can_be addressed before_April,_as I would prefer not to
maintain my own LTS image (that doesn't have this_issue).

~~~
dustinkirkland
Thanks!_I'll make_sure_that_gets to the right team!

------
Afforess
My_2 cents, and possibly quite_wrong: Is_the ncurses packages really necessary
in the minimal ubuntu_image?_It seems likely_that curses based programs should
be likely candidates for exclusion_in a minimal image, as they_are not usually
meant_for_automation.

Also,_why are there still_motd files in /etc/update-motd.d? No sshd_but still
a motd? Odd.

~~~
Aloha
ncurses is required,_debian-installer (which is used for all the_configuration
dialog post install too) require it.

~~~
Daviey
You_should be able to use_readline rather_than ncurses.. Or for dpkg,_you
could also use_the noninteractive_frontend.

------
theandrewbailey
I've been using_the MinimalCD images[0] to install Ubuntu_for years. (They_are
the minimum you need to boot,_and_they download everything_else_to_install
Ubuntu.) I'm_guessing that these_aren't_what's being_talked_about.

[0]
[https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD](https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD)

~~~
KayEss
I'd been doing the same thing_for_a long time (loved how fast it_was compared
to the normal_installer,_especially in a VM),_but the last install I_did was
with debootstrap straight onto the_target disk_from another_running machine. A
bit of a learning curve the first time, but_I think I'll try it again_next
time.

------
aplorbust
Not a Linux user_but out_of_curiosity just looked_at_the "Trusty_Tahr" 37MB
amd64 minimal image (mini.iso).

Most recent amd64_minimal image_is 58MB ("Artful Aardvark").

Trusty Tahr bzImage_compressed kernel is 5.5MB.

The_initrd.cpio.gz_is 20MB