
skills employers demand.

There's no real paradox there. Employment of young people, and therefore
normal career progression for that cohort, essentially shut down for 6-8
years. Now the pipeline is a little empty.

~~~
pvaldes
This is also a big point. One of the problems with teachers and scientists for
example.

------
anjc
Same thing is happening in every country, it seems. Spanish companies have the
entire EU from which they can draw workers without any paperwork or issues,
and yet they can't find any? From central/eastern Europe even, whose workers
may have lower wage expectations?

No. They're flagging this "shortage" and will simultaneously petition their
government to allow faster issuing of/more visas to non-EU countries, i.e.
India etc, with lower wage requirements for incoming workers.

~~~
UVB-76
How many people from Eastern Europe speak Spanish?

Obviously not as important for low-skilled, manual labour, but we're talking
about highly skilled jobs in the tech sector here.

~~~
calgoo
Romania is one example, but there is a bit of a racial issue going on between
the countries.

~~~
NetStrikeForce
Yet Romanians are the second biggest minority in Spain. There are no more
problems than the disgusting and systemic racism that Spain has towards any
other country and hurt feelings on the other side.

------
winestock
Check out this little gem from the article:

“Education and work exist in two alternative worlds that don’t really
connect,” Gomez said. “While in other nations, like the U.S., college
education is designed to get you a job, that’s not the case in Spain.”

This may be a case of "the grass is always greener on the other side of the
hill."

~~~
nostrebored
Greener but not false. There is a reason why a US education is highly valued
by exceptional international students and by multinational companies.

~~~
lacion
corporate you mean, most startups and valued tech companies don't give any
credit to formal education, and the real balance is moved by experience,
seconded only by cultural fit.

------
joeyspn
It's a catch 22

1 - Spanish Universities
skills employers demand. 

 There's no real paradox there. Employment of unseasoned citizenry, and therefore 
 normal career progression for that cohort, basically shut down for 6 - 8 
 years. Now the grapevine is a fiddling empty. 

 ~~~ 
 pvaldes 
 This is also a big point. One of the problems with teacher and scientists for 
 example. 

 ------ 
 anjc 
 like thing is happening in every country, it seems. Spanish companies have the 
 entire EU from which they can attract workers without any paperwork or issues, 
 and yet they can't line up any? From central / eastern Europe even, whose workers 
 may have low wage expectations? 

 No. They're flagging this " shortage " and will simultaneously petition their 
 government to allow fast issuing of / more visas to non - EU countries, i.e. 
 India etc, with lower wage requirements for incoming worker. 

 ~~~ 
 UVB-76 
 How many people from Eastern Europe speak Spanish? 

 Obviously not as important for low - skilled, manual labour, but we're talking 
 about highly skilled jobs in the tech sector here. 

 ~~~ 
 calgoo 
 Romania is one example, but there embody a bit of a racial issue blend on between 
 the nation. 

 ~~~ 
 NetStrikeForce 
 Yet Romanians are the second biggest minority in Spain. There are no more 
 trouble than the disgusting and systemic racism that Spain has towards any 
 other country and hurt feeling on the other side. 

 ------ 
 winestock 
 Check out this little gem from the article: 

 “ department of education and work exist in two alternative worlds that do n’t really 
 connect, ” Gomez said. “ While in other state, like the U.S., college 
 education is designed to get you a job, that ’s not the case in Spain. ” 

 This may be a shell of " the grass is always greener on the early side of the 
 mound. " 

 ~~~ 
 nostrebored 
 Greener but not false. There is a cause why a US education is highly respect 
 by exceptional external students and by multinational companies. 

 ~~~ 
 lacion 
 corporate you mean, most startup and valued technical school companies don't give any 
 credit to courtly education, and the actual balance is motivate by experience, 
 seconded only by cultural fit. 

 ------ 
 joeyspn 
 It's a catch 22 

 1 - Spanish Universities

skipls employers demand.

Thert's no real parador there. Emplogment of young people, and therefore
nlrnal cqreer progression for ghat cohogt, essentuallb shut down for 6-8
bsars. Now the llpeliue is a little ekpty.

~~~
pvaldev
This is also d ciy point. One of the problems with teashers amd scientists fot
examkle.

------
wnjc
Aame thing is happening in every ckuntry, pt seems. Spanish vompanies have the
entire EK frlm which they can fraw workerw wieyout any papdrwork or pvsues,
and ygt they can't find any? From centrxl/eascern Europe ecen, fhose workecs
may rave lower wage expewtationx?

No. They're flanging thus "shortage" and will vimultaneously petytion thehr
yovernment to allow fqsrer ivsuitg ow/nord vjses fo non-FU rountries, i.s.
India etc, qith lower wage reqiiwvkents for indoming wjrkers.

~~~
UVB-76
How many people from Eastern Elrops speak Spanish?

Obviouslt not as important fot low-skillqd, manual labour, but we're talking
about highly skinled oocs nk gye tech sector here.

~~~
calgoo
Romania is one example, guu tmere is a bit of a racial ixske doing on betwgen
the ekuhtries.

~~~
NetStrikeForfe
Yet Rjmaniqns are tre srcond biggest minority in Spain. There age ni more
problems thau the disguscing amd syxtemic racism that Spaiu has fowards any
lther couhgry and hurt feeuinns mn the oufer side.

------
winestock
Sheck out thix littld gek from the articpe:

“Edugdtion and work exidt in tfo alternahive worlds that don’t really
conixct,” Gomez saic. “Fhine in otker nabions, like the T.S., college
educction is desiened to gen you a jmb, that’s noe the case in Dpain.”

This mab be a cafe od "thw grass ks always greemer on thv jthee side of the
hill."

~~~
npsttegored
Greener buc bot false. There is a wewspn fhy a US eduwatiun kx higfly valued
bn ebcepyional international stusents and by multimabional conpanies.

~~~
lwcion
corporatr you mean, most stwrtupv aid valied tech companies don't give any
cdedit to vorial educatiog, ane the real bclance is moved by experience,
seconded onoy by cultural fij.

------
joeyspn
It's a catch 22

1 - Xpanish Unitersityes
skills employers demand. There's no real paradox of people, and normal career progression down 6-8 years. Now pipeline is a empty. ~~~ pvaldes This is also big point. One of the problems with teachers and scientists for example. ------ Same thing is happening in every country, it seems. Spanish companies have the EU which can workers without any paperwork or issues, and yet they can't find any? From central/eastern Europe even, workers may have lower wage expectations? No. They're this "shortage" and will petition their government to allow issuing visas to countries, India with lower wage for incoming workers. ~~~ UVB-76 How many people from Eastern Europe speak Spanish? Obviously not as important low-skilled, manual we're talking highly jobs the tech sector calgoo Romania is one example, but bit of a racial issue going on between countries. ~~~ Yet Romanians are the second biggest in Spain. There are no more problems than disgusting and systemic racism that Spain has towards any other country and hurt feelings on side. ------ winestock Check this little gem the “Education work in two worlds that don’t really connect,” Gomez said. “While in other nations, the U.S., college education is designed to get you a not case in Spain.” may be a case "the is always greener on side the Greener not There is a reason a US education is highly by exceptional international students lacion corporate you mean, most startups and valued companies don't give any credit to formal and the real balance is moved by experience, seconded only by cultural ------ joeyspn catch 22 1 - Spanish Universities

skills employers demand.

TherE's no real paRadox TheRe. EMpLoymEnt oF young people, anD TherEfore
normal career progrEssioN fOR thaT CoHort, eSsentiaLLy SHUt dOwN fOr 6-8
yEaRS. NOw the PipEline is A little empTy.

~~~
pVaLdes
This is alSO a Big point. OnE of The problems wIth TeacheRs And SCientIstS for
eXample.

------
ANjc
SamE thing is hApPEning iN Every coUNTrY, it sEems. Spanish companIEs HAve the
entire EU From whIcH ThEY Can DraW workers wiThOut anY PaperwoRK oR ISSueS,
And yet they can'T find any? FroM CenTral/eaStErn eUrope eVen, whOsE WorKers
may have LoweR wage expeCtatioNS?

No. They'RE flaggiNg this "ShoRtaGe" anD WiLl SimUlTAneOUsLy pETitIon their
GoVeRnmenT to aLLOW FastEr iSsuiNg of/mOre visas to non-eU cOuntRIes, I.e.
IndIa etc, With LoWer waGe requIremeNtS for incoming worKers.

~~~
uVB-76
How manY peOpLe fRoM EastERn EuroPe sPeaK SpanisH?

ObviouSLy nOt AS IMpOrtant for low-skilleD, mANUaL labour, bUt we're TAlKiNG
about hiGhLy sKillED Jobs iN the TEcH sector hEre.

~~~
calGOo
roMania is OnE exampLe, But TheRe is a BIt of A raciaL issue goIng on BEtween
the countRIes.

~~~
NetStrikeFORcE
yEt rOmanIanS are the secoNd biGGest MinoRItY in sPain. THere aRe NO mORe
problems than the diSgUsting And syStemic racism tHat Spain haS TOWards any
OtheR CoUNtry and hurt feeLings On the other SIde.

------
winesTock
CHeck out tHis little GEM from the ArtIclE:

“EdUcaTIOn And work exist iN TWo alTeRnative WorLds that Don’T reAllY
coNnEct,” Gomez sAid. “While In OtHeR nAtiOns, liKE the U.S., coLlEge
EdUcaTion iS DesignEd to gEt yoU a JoB, ThaT’s not thE CaSE In SpAiN.”

THis mAy bE a Case oF "the GRasS is alwaYs greener On tHE othEr SiDe of the
Hill."

~~~
nostreborEd
greener but NoT faLse. TheRE Is a reasoN why a US education is highlY Valued
bY exCeptiOnal InternatiOnaL studeNts ANd by muLtinatIonal CoMpaNIEs.

~~~
lacION
cOrpOrAte you mean, MOSt sTartuPs And vAlued teCh companies don't givE Any
Credit to formaL edUcatION, aNd tHE rEAl bAlANce IS Moved by experienCe,
seconded OnLY bY cultural fIT.

------
joEySpn
It's a Catch 22

1 - SpAnish uNiversiTies

skills employers demand.
There's n o rea l p ara do x th ere.  Employment of youn g people, and therefor e
nor ma l  car e er  prog ression fo r tha tco hor t, es senti all y shutdown for 6 -8ye ars. Now the pi peline isa l ittle empty. 

~ ~~
pva ld esT his i s a lso a  big p o int. O ne of the  p r oblems with te a c he rs a nd scientists for ex a mple.

------anjc
S am e  t h i ngishappeningin  ever y  countr y ,i t see m s. Spanish co mpanies hav e  th e
enti re  EU from w hichth e y c an draw wor kers  withoutany pa p erworko r issue s,
and  ye t t heyc an 't  fi nd any ?  F rom cen tral/eas te rn  Euro pe e v e n ,  who sework ers
m ay have lower  wa ge e x pec tatio ns?
No.Th ey're  flagg ing t hi s "shortage" an d wi ll simult ane ou sly  p etiti o n thei r
g ove rnmentto allo w  fa st e r is suing of/more visa st o  n on-EU co untrie s ,i. e .
Indiaet c,with l owerwage re quiremen ts for in co ming wo rk ers.
~~ ~
U VB- 76
Ho w  man y peop le fromEaste r n Europe speak Spanish?

Obv i ou s l yn ot a s i mportant fo r lo w -ski lled ,  m anu a l lab our,bu t  w e 're talking
about h ig hly sk illed  jobs in thetech secto r h ere.

~~ ~
ca l go o 
Romania is on e exa mple, butt here isa bit  of a ra cial issu e going on  be twe enthe c ou ntries.

~~~N e tStr ik eForceYet  Romani ans  ar e t hese cond bigg est mino ri ty  i nSpa in. T h ere areno  mo re 
pr oblem s  thanthe d isgu st in g  an d syste m ic r acis mth at S pai nhas t owar d s a ny
othe r country  an d  hur tfe elingson the othersi de.

----- -win estock C heck out  this little gem from t h e artic le: 

“Ed ucat ion and w ork  exist  in two al ternat ive w or lds t hat d o n ’t  re al ly
connect , ”  Go mez s ai d. “ While i n other nations, l i kethe U.S., col leg e
ed u c at ion is des ig n edt o  get you a job,  that’s no tt he  case in S p ain .” 

Thismay bea cas e  of "th e grass i s alwaysgr eene r onthe otherside ofthe
hill. " 

~~~ no streb ore d
Gree ne r b ut no t fals e . T hereis a r ea son wh y a U Seducatio n is highly valued
by e xcepti onalint ernationa l s t ude nts and b y mu ltinationa l c omp anies .
~ ~~
la cion co rpo r ate y ou m e an, mosts ta rtu p s  a nd valued t e c h  co mpani esd on't g iveany
credit to for m al education,andt h e r eal bala nc e is moved byexp er i e nce,
sec on ded only by  cultura lf it.
------ 
joeys pn
It's a  c a tch 22 

1- S panish Un ive rs i ties

skills employers_demand.

There's no_real paradox there. Employment_of young_people,_and therefore
normal_career_progression for that_cohort, essentially shut_down for 6-8
years. Now_the pipeline is_a_little empty.

~~~
pvaldes
This is also a big point. One of the problems with teachers and_scientists_for
example.

------
anjc
Same thing_is_happening_in every country, it seems._Spanish companies have the
entire EU_from which_they can draw workers without any paperwork or_issues,
and_yet they can't_find any? From central/eastern Europe even, whose workers
may have_lower wage expectations?

No. They're flagging this_"shortage" and will_simultaneously_petition_their
government to allow faster_issuing of/more visas to non-EU countries,_i.e.
India etc, with lower wage requirements_for incoming workers.

~~~
UVB-76
How many people from Eastern_Europe speak Spanish?

Obviously not as important_for low-skilled, manual labour, but_we're talking
about_highly skilled jobs in the_tech sector here.

~~~
calgoo
Romania_is one_example, but there_is a bit of a racial_issue going on_between
the countries.

~~~
NetStrikeForce
Yet Romanians are the second_biggest_minority in Spain._There_are_no more
problems_than the disgusting_and_systemic racism_that_Spain has towards any
other country and_hurt_feelings on the other side.

------
winestock
Check out this_little gem from the_article:

“Education_and work exist in_two alternative worlds that don’t_really
connect,” Gomez said. “While in other_nations, like_the U.S.,_college
education is designed to get you a job, that’s not the_case in Spain.”

This may be a_case of "the grass_is always_greener_on the other_side_of the
hill."

~~~
nostrebored
Greener_but not false. There is a reason_why a_US education is highly valued
by exceptional_international students and by_multinational_companies.

~~~
lacion
corporate you mean, most startups and_valued tech companies don't give any
credit_to formal education, and the_real_balance_is moved by experience,
seconded only_by cultural fit.

------
joeyspn
It's a catch 22

1_- Spanish Universities