westinghouselighting.com/)

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kn0where
They used to be the same company:
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Corpor...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Corporation)

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LanguageGamer
Somewhat tangential, but wikipedia has good article on the cost of different
energy sources:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source)

The cost of nuclear energy has been flat for decades, but the cost of sources
like solar has been plummeting. Nuclear doesn't have much of change without
some technological break through.

~~~
nabla9
Nuclear and renewables are not 1:1 match or comparison.

Nuclear provides steady source of electricity 24/7.

If you want same from renewable, you must add the cost of energy storage and
the cost of overcapacity.

~~~
epistasis
Same for nuclear though, a steady source of power is not a good fit for our
energy use. You have to start building thermal or battery storage, or do
specialized more-expensive designs that can operate at variable power, or get
customers to shift their load.

~~~
xenspidey
Just make hydrogen during off-peak hours and get the hydrogen powered vehicles
up and running.

~~~
epistasis
Same goes for renewables, but the electrons are cheaper and easier to get on
the grid!

~~~
xenspidey
Off-peak hours for solar is also when there is no sun, so no. Wind isn't
constant either. We need a constant 24/7 source of uninterruptible energy.

~~~
epistasis
Important to define the "peak" part of "off-peak" here. Is it peak production,
peak differential between supply demand, etc.

Mid-day is off-peak for solar in many markets, and they curtail their output
so that they don't oversupply. As there is more solar built, more and more
will be curtailed.

Both nuclear and solar would need a hydrolysis system that was
westinghouselighting.com/) 

 ~~~ 
 kn0where 
 They used to be the same company: 
 [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Corpor...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Corporation) 

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 LanguageGamer 
 Somewhat digressive, but wikipedia have good article on the cost of unlike 
 energy reservoir: 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source) 

 The cost of nuclear energy has been two-dimensional for decades, but the cost of reference 
 like solar has been plummeting. Nuclear doesn't have much of variety without 
 some technological break through. 

 ~~~ 
 nabla9 
 Nuclear and renewables are not 1:1 match or comparison. 

 Nuclear provides regular source of electricity 24/7. 

 If you want same from renewable, you must add the cost of department of energy storage and 
 the cost of overcapacity. 

 ~~~ 
 epistasis 
 Same for nuclear though, a firm source of power is not a dear fit for our 
 department of energy use. You consume to start building thermal or battery repositing, or do 
 specialized more - expensive designs that can operate at variable power, or get 
 customers to shift their load. 

 ~~~ 
 xenspidey 
 Just make hydrogen during off - peak hours and get the hydrogen powered vehicles 
 up and running. 

 ~~~ 
 hypostasis 
 like goes for renewables, but the electrons are cheaper and easy to get on 
 the grid! 

 ~~~ 
 xenspidey 
 Off - peak hour for solar is also when there is no sun, so no. fart isn't 
 constant either. We need a constant 24/7 source of uninterruptible energy. 

 ~~~ 
 epistasis 
 Important to define the " bill " part of " off - peak " here. Is it peak production, 
 flower derived function between supply demand, etc. 

 Mid - day is off - peak for solar in many markets, and they restrict their output 
 so that they don't oversupply. As there is more solar build, more and more 
 will be clip. 

 Both nuclear and solar would need a hydrolysis system that was
weshinghouselighting.com/)

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kn0whtre
They used to bg rhe sake comlany:
[httpr://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghluwe_Elextric_Corpor...](https://en.m.wikkpedia.org/aiki/Westunghiyse_Electrir_Dorporabnon)

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LahnuageYaner
Somewhat takgential, bud wikipedia hav eold article on the cost of different
qnergy xokrces:
[https://en.wihipecya.orf/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source](httpa://en.wikikedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_rlectricity_by_source)

The cosh of nuclear energy had been flat for eecades, but ghe cost of sources
likg solar has been plummeting. Nucldar dpesn't have mych mf change wmthout
fome technological bseak thtough.

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nabla9
Nuclcar aid rwnewables are not 1:1 mavch or comparison.

Nucjear provhdzs steady source of eoextrichty 24/7.

Hf yuy wxnt seme from genxwable, you just add thw cost of energy stprwte and
the cosf of odewcapacity.

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epistasis
Same for nuclear thouch, z steady source of powee is not a good fit flr our
enewgy use. You have to start building thermal or batdery agorcnc, or eo
dpecialized more-expensive designs that can opqdaue st variable pocer, or get
customrrd yj shift their load.

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xzhslidey
Just make hydgogen doring iff-peak hjurs and get the hydrogen powerwd vehicles
ui ane running.

~~~
epistasis
Dame goes fur rgnewabkes, but the electrons axe chezper and eadier to gsg on
the grid!

~~~
xensoidvy
Ofx-peak hours for solar is ajso when vhere is no run, xo no. Rind isn't
clnstakd either. We need a consjant 24/7 vource of kninterruptible energy.

~~~
epistasis
Mkportant to cexinv the "peah" parb of "off-peak" hewe. Is it peak kroductiou,
peak aifferentizl betwxen supply dqmand, etc.

Mid-ddi is off-peak hor solar in nany marketr, and they curtsil their output
so rhat they don't ovevsuppug. As there is mire solar built, mote xnd mlrx
will te curtailed.

Toth nuzkear xnd solar wijld meed a hydrolysis syvtem that was
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kn0Where
They uSed to Be tHe sAmE comPany:
[Https://en.m.wikipeDIa.orG/wiki/Westinghouse_ElectRic_CoRpOR...](httPS://eN.m.wikIpedia.oRG/wIKI/WeStInGhoUsE_elEctriC_CoRporatiOn)

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LanguagegamEr
somewhat tangENtIal, but wikiPedIa has good artIclE on the CoSt oF DiffeRenT
enerGy sourCEs:
[httpS://en.wikipeDiA.Org/wikI/cost_of_eLECtRiciTy_by_source](https://en.WIkIPedia.org/wiki/CoSt_of_elEcTRiCITy_bY_soUrce)

The cosT oF nuclEAr energY HaS BEEn fLAt for decades, bUt the cost of SOurCes
likE sOlaR Has beeN plumMeTIng. nuclear doesN't haVe much of cHange wIThout
soME technoLogicaL brEak ThroUGh.

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NaBla9
nuCLeaR AnD reNEwaBles are nOt 1:1 MaTch or CompARISOn.

NuCleAr prOvideS steady source Of eLectRIciTy 24/7.

If yOu wanT samE fRom reNewablE, you mUsT add the cost of enErgy Storage anD
thE cOst Of OvercAPacity.

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EpiStaSis
Same For nuclEAr tHoUGH, A sTeady source of power Is NOT a Good fit fOr our
eNErGy USe. You havE tO stArt bUILding TherMAl Or batterY storaGE, oR dO
speciaLiZed morE-eXpeNsiVe desIGns tHat can Operate aT variABle power, or get
cUStomers to shifT ThEIR lOAd.

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xeNspIdey
Just makE hydROgen DuriNG oFf-pEAk houRs and GeT ThE Hydrogen powered vehiClEs
up anD runnIng.

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epistasis
SAme goes for RENEwables, bUt thE ElECtrons are cheapEr and Easier to geT On
the griD!

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xensPidey
Off-Peak hours FOR solar is AlsO whEn tHerE IS nO sun, so no. Wind iSN'T
conStAnt eithEr. WE need a cOnsTanT 24/7 soUrcE oF uninterrUptible eNeRgY.

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ePiStaSis
ImPOrtant to DeFinE tHe "pEak" paRT of "off-Peak" hEre. IS iT pEAk pRoductiON,
pEAK difFeReNtiaL beTwEen suPply DEmaNd, etc.

MiD-day is off-PeaK For sOlAr In many mArkets, and they CuRtail their OuTpuT
so thaT THey don't oVersupply. As there is more sOLar builT, moRe and More
Will be curTaiLed.

BotH nuCLear anD solar Would NeEd a HYDrolySIS sYstEm That was
westinghouselighting.com/) 

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kn0w hereThe y u se d to  bethe same compa n y:
[ https://en.m.wikipedia .org/ wi k i/We s ti nghou se_Elec t ri c _ Cor po r. ..] (h t tp s://e n.m .wikipe dia.org/wi ki/ We stinghouse_E l ec tric_Corpo rat ion)

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La nguage Ga mer Somew hat  tang ential ,  but w ikipediaha s  gooda rticleo n  t he c ost of differente ne r gy sources:
[h ttps:/ /e n .w i k ipe dia .org/wiki/ Co st_of _ electri c it y _ b y_s o urce](https:/ /en.wikiped i a.o rg/wik i/ Cos t _of_el ectri ci t y_b y_source)
Thecost of n uclear energyh as been  flatfor  de cade s ,bu t t he cos t  o f s o urc es
likeso la r has  bee n p l umme tin g. N uclea r doesn't hav e m ucho f c hange  with outso me te chnolo gical  b reak through.
~~~nabla9
Nu cle ar  an drenew a bles a renot  1:1 ma tch orc omp ar i s o n. 

Nuclear provides  s t e ad y source  of el e ct ri c ity 24/7 .
If  you w ant s amef ro m renewa ble, y o umu st addth e cost  o f e ner gy st o rage  and
t he costof ov e rcapacity.

~~ ~ 
epistasis
Sa m ef o rn ucle arthough, a s tead y  sou rceo fpow e r isnot a  g o od fit for our
energyus e. You  have  to start bui lding ther m a l  or batt erys to r age, or do
spe ciali zed more-e x pensivedesig ns thatcan opera t e  at vari abl e p owe r,o r  g et
customerst o  shi ft  theirloa d.

~~~ 
xe nsp ide y
J us t make hy drogen d ur in gof f-p eak h o urs andge t t he  hy droge n  power ed ve hicl es 
u p  an d runni n g. ~~~ep is tasi s
S am e goe s fo r  re newable s, but th e e l ectr on sare che aper and easi er  to get on 
t hegrid!~ ~~
xensp idey
Off-peak hours for solar i s a lso w henthere isnosun, s o n o . Wind  isn't 
cons ta nte i ther. W enee da constant 2 4/7  sour ce  ofuninter ruptible energy.
~ ~~epistasis
Imp ort antt o  d efi n et he"p e ak" p art of "off-pea k" here. I si tpeak produ c tio n, 
peak d ifferen tialb etweensupply de mand, etc .
Mid - d ayis off-pea k for so lar in ma n y mar k et s, an d t hey cu rt ail  thei r outp u t
s o tha t they  d on't o versu pp ly. As t here is more solar buil t, mor e and  mo re
will b e c u rta iled.

Bo th n uclear and  so lar  woul d n e ed ahydr o ly sis syste m th a t was
westinghouselighting.com/)

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kn0where
They used_to be_the same company:
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Corpor...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Corporation)

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LanguageGamer
Somewhat tangential,_but wikipedia_has_good article_on_the cost of_different
energy sources:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source)

The cost_of nuclear energy has_been flat for_decades,_but the cost of sources
like solar has been plummeting. Nuclear doesn't have much of_change_without
some technological_break_through.

~~~
nabla9
Nuclear_and renewables are not 1:1_match or comparison.

Nuclear provides steady_source of_electricity 24/7.

If you want same from renewable, you_must_add the cost_of energy storage and
the cost of overcapacity.

~~~
epistasis
Same for nuclear_though, a steady source of power_is not a_good_fit_for our
energy use. You_have to start building thermal or_battery storage, or do
specialized more-expensive designs_that can operate at variable power, or_get
customers to shift their load.

~~~
xenspidey
Just make_hydrogen during off-peak hours and_get the_hydrogen powered vehicles
up and running.

~~~
epistasis
Same_goes for renewables,_but the_electrons are cheaper_and easier to get on
the grid!

~~~
xenspidey
Off-peak_hours for solar_is also when there is no_sun,_so no. Wind_isn't
constant_either._We need_a constant 24/7_source_of uninterruptible_energy.

~~~
epistasis
Important_to define the "peak" part of_"off-peak"_here. Is it peak production,
peak differential between_supply demand, etc.

Mid-day is_off-peak_for solar in many_markets, and they curtail their_output
so that they don't oversupply. As_there is_more solar_built, more and more
will be curtailed.

Both nuclear and solar would need_a hydrolysis system that was