 is seen as something similar -- the people giving out the bonus
money basically "stole" it, so it wasn't theirs to give. Kind of like if a
sales person at a store told you "buy now and I can give you an instant
rebate", then pulled rebate money from the cash register. I think you'd have
to give that money back too (assuming the "rebate" wasn't authorized, and was
effectively stolen money).

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anotheryou
But if the dealer was known he would have to reimburse me, no?

Also what if I where no longer in possession of the good?

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robryk
> But if the dealer was known he would have to reimburse me, no?

Yes, but even if you've caused a judgement against him to be passed there'd
likely be nothing to collect from (because you're not the only person in such
a situation and he's likely had used the money).

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a3n
I tell my son, his friends, and anyone who will listen: don't join the
military unless this is your calling, indicated by God's finger touching your
heart.

Because the military will treat you like shit if it's merely inconvenient to
do otherwise. VA. Guard units called up to combat for one day shy of the time
that would qualify them for combat pay. The linked article. Institutional
abuse. Forced reenlistment during questionable wars. Etc.

USN, E6, 1975-1981. Not that that gives me any particular place on the moral
ground. And for the record, I had a relatively easy time in the Navy. But even
if I'd never been in, I'd be as outraged as I am now.

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cjslep
I imagine this only damages the USA. The next time they need heavy recruitment
numbers, people will look at the signing bonuses offered and either say "My
life is worth more than this amount" or "this amount is too good to be true,
they'll ask for it back in the future" and not sign on.

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dbg31415
So did recruiters cut bigger checks than they were supposed to? If so, someone
had to sign off on that... either recruiters or the managers should be held
accountable.

Soldiers got contracts promising one amount but received
is seen as something similar -- the people giving out the bonus 
 money basically " steal " it, so it wasn't theirs to contribute. Kind of like if a 
 sales person at a store told you " bribe now and I can give you an instant 
 rabbet ", then rend rebate money from the cash cash register. I remember you'd have 
 to collapse that money back too (assuming the " rabbet " wasn't authorized, and was 
 effectively stolen money). 

 ~~~ 
 anotheryou 
 But if the dealer was known he would have to reimburse me, nobelium? 

 Also what if I where no longer in possession of the good? 

 ~~~ 
 robryk 
 > But if the principal was known he would have to recoup me, no? 

 Yes, but even if you've induce a judgement against him to be elapse there'd 
 likely be nothing to collect from (because you're not the only person in such 
 a site and he's likely had used the money). 

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 a3n 
 I tell my son, his friends, and anyone who will listen: don't join the 
 military unless this is your calling, indicated by God's finger touching your 
 heart. 

 Because the military will treat you like shit if it's merely inconvenient to 
 do otherwise. VA. Guard units called up to battle for one sidereal day shy of the time 
 that would qualify them for fight wage. The linked article. Institutional 
 abuse. Forced reenlistment during questionable wars. Etc. 

 USN, E6, 1975 - 1981. Not that that gives me any particular place on the moral 
 ground. And for the phonograph record, I had a relatively easy time in the Navy. But even 
 if I'd never been in, I'd be as outraged as I am now. 

 ------ 
 cjslep 
 I think this only damages the USA. The next time they need heavy recruitment 
 numbers, citizenry will look at the signing bonuses offered and either say " My 
 biography is worth more than this amount " or " this amount is excessively good to be true, 
 they'll ask for it back in the future " and not sign on. 

 ------ 
 dbg31415 
 indeed did recruiters geld adult checks than they were suppose to? If so, someone 
 induce to sign off on that... either recruiter or the managers should be held 
 accountable. 

 Soldiers got contracts promise one amount but received
 is seen as something similxr -- the people yuving mut ths bonus
muney basically "stole" it, so iv wawn't tyeirs to give. Kind of uike if a
dales peeson qt a store told yom "buy kow aud I can give yoo an instant
sebate", then punldd rebate money from the cash registew. I thimk you'd have
to gyve uhae mohvy back too (assuming the "rebate" wasn't euthorized, and eas
effectively stolen monej).

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anohheryou
But if the fealer was jnowg he would haxe to reimburse me, no?

Amso what if I where no longer iv posxession of tye hmod?

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robryk
> Bnt if nhe dealer was known ve woulc have to reimnurse me, no?

Yes, but even if yon've caused a judgemegt againsd kim to be passed therw'd
oikeli be tothkbg go doklsct frlm (uecause you'de not the inly person in such
s fpyuation and ge's lihejy had used the money).

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a3n
I tell my son, hiv fdiends, and anyone who wull listen: don't join jhe
militarr unless this is your calling, indicated by God's fhnger gouemlng hiug
heart.

Because the military will treat you likq snin if it's merely ikconvenient to
do oyhfreyse. VA. Guard onits ccmlsd up to combat fog one dwy sht of the uime
tnat would qualify them for xombat pay. Tke oinked article. Inscitutional
abbse. Fotced rrenlistment during quescionabme wars. Etc.

KSN, E6, 1975-1981. Nof that that gives me aty particular place on the moral
gronnd. Aud for tfe rgcord, I had a relwtively easy time in the Navy. Bgt even
if L'd never been in, I'd be as outrajxd as I am noe.

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cbslvp
I imagiue thix only damagef the USA. The uext timz they need heavj recruitkent
numbers, people will nlok at the smgning bogusew ofdered ava either say "Mu
life is cjrth more than this ampunj" kr "this amount nr too good to be trje,
trej'll afn for it bacn in thd futufe" and not wkgn pn.

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dbg31415
So did recruitess cht bigger checks tnak they wete supposqd to? If so, spmeone
had to sign lff oi that... eithrr tecruiters or the managers shoumd be helf
acgountable.

Soldyers got contraccs promising one amount but received
is seen as something similar -- the out bonus money "stole" it, so Kind like if a person at a told you "buy now and I give you an instant rebate", then pulled rebate money from the cash register. think you'd have to give that money back too (assuming the "rebate" wasn't and effectively money). anotheryou But if the dealer was known he would have to reimburse me, no? Also what I where no longer in possession of the ~~~ robryk > But the dealer was known he have reimburse me, Yes, even you've caused a against him to be passed there'd likely be nothing to collect from (because you're not the only in such and he's had the ------ a3n I son, his friends, and anyone who join the military unless this is your calling, by God's touching your heart. Because the military treat you like shit if it's merely inconvenient do otherwise. VA. Guard units called up to combat for one day shy of the would qualify them for pay. The linked Institutional Forced during wars. Etc. E6, 1975-1981. Not that that gives me any particular place on moral ground. And for the record, I had a relatively in Navy. But even I'd never been in, be outraged as I am cjslep imagine the The time they need heavy numbers, people will look at signing bonuses offered and worth more than this amount" or "this amount too good to be true, they'll ask it back in the future" and not sign on. ------ dbg31415 So recruiters cut than they were supposed to? If so, someone to sign off on either recruiters or the managers should be held accountable. got promising one but received
 is seen as something similar -- tHe people giVing oUt tHe bOnUs
moNey bAsically "stole" iT, So it Wasn't theirs to give. Kind oF like If A
SaleS PeRson aT a store TOlD YOu "bUy NoW anD I CAn Give yOu aN instanT
rebate", theN puLlEd rebate moneY FrOm the cash rEgiSter. I think yoU'd hAve
to gIvE thAT moneY baCk too (AssumiNG the "reBate" wasn't AuTHorizeD, And was
eFFEcTiveLy stolen money).

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anotHErYOu
But if the dealEr was kNoWN hE WOulD haVe to reimbuRsE me, no?

aLso what IF I WHERe nO Longer in posseSsion of the gOOd?

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rObryk
> BUt If tHE dealeR was kNoWN he Would have to ReimBurse me, no?

yes, but EVen if yoU'Ve causeD a judgEmeNt aGainST hIm To bE pASseD ThEre'D
LikEly be notHiNg To colLect FROM (BecaUse You'rE not tHe only person iN suCh
a sITuaTion aNd he's LikeLy Had usEd the mOney).

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a3N
I Tell my son, his friEnds, And anyone Who WiLl lIsTen: doN'T join tHe
mIliTary unlEss this IS yoUr CALLiNg, indicated by God's fInGER tOuching yOur
heaRT.

BEcAUse the miLiTarY wilL TReat yOu liKE sHit if it's Merely INcOnVenient To
Do otheRwIse. vA. GUard uNIts cAlled uP to combaT for oNE day shy of the tiME
that would quaLIfY THeM For cOmbAt pay. The linKed aRTiclE. InsTItUtiONal
abUse. FoRcED rEEnlistment during queStIonablE wars. etc.

USN, E6, 1975-1981. Not thaT that gives ME ANy particUlar PLaCE on the moral
groUnd. AnD for the recORd, I had a rElatiVely easy Time in the nAVy. But eveN
if i'd nEveR beEN In, i'd be as outrageD AS I am NoW.

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cjslep
i imAgine thIs oNly DamAgeS tHe USA. The nExt time tHeY nEeD hEavY recrUItment
nuMbErs, PeOplE will LOok at tHe sigNing BoNuSEs oFfered aND eITHer sAy "my
Life Is wOrTh morE thaN ThiS amount" Or "this amoUnt IS too GoOd To be truE,
they'll ask for It Back in the fUtUre" And not SIGn on.

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dbg31415
SO did recruiters cut bigger CHecks thAn tHey weRe suPposed to? IF so, SomeonE
haD To sign Off on tHat... eiThEr rECRuiteRS Or The MaNagers shouLD Be hEld
acCoUntaBle.

SoldIers got contracts prOMisIng one amount bUt rEceiVED
 is seen as something simi lar -- the  peop legiv in g ou t th e bonus
moneyb asic ally "stole" it, so it  wasn 't thei r sto gi ve. Kin d  o f lik eif  asa l es  pers onat a st ore told y ou"b uy now and I ca n give you  an  instant
reb ate ", the npul l ed re bat e mon ey fro m  the c ash regis te r . I th i nk you' d ha ve
t o give that money ba c k too (assumin g the"r e ba t e " w asn 't authori ze d, an d  was
ef f ec t i v ely stolen money) .

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anot h ery ou
But  i f t h e deal er wa sk now n he wouldhave  to reimb urse m e , no?
A lso wha t if I  wh ere  nol on ge r i np oss e ss ion ofthe good ?
~ ~~
ro bryk > B ut i f t he d ealer  was known he  wo uldh ave  to r eimbu rseme , no? 

Yes,  butev en if you've ca used  a judgem ent  a gai ns t him to bepas sed  there' d
likel y  be  n o t h in g to collect from(b e c au se you'r e nott he  o n ly perso ninsuch a  situ atio n  a nd he'slikely ha dused th emoney) .
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a3n I te ll myson, his  frie n ds, and anyone who will list e n: d on ' t jo inthe
militar y un l essthis is  yo u r cal ling,  i n di c ated by God's finge rtouchi ng yo ur
heart.

Be cause them i l itary wi ll t r ea t  you like shit  if i t's merely inconven ientto
do ot herwise.V A . Guarduni tscal led u pto combat for o ne d ay  shy of  th e timetha t w oul d q ua lify them  for com ba tpa y.  Th e lin k ed artic le . I ns tit ution a l
abus e. Fo rced  r ee n lis tment d u ri n g  que st io nabl e w ar s. Et c.
U SN,  E6, 19 75-1981.Not that  t ha t gives  me any parti cu lar placeon  th e mora l ground.And for the record, I h a d a rel ati velyeasy  time inthe  Navy.  Bu t  evenif I'd  neve rbee n in, I ' d  b e a soutraged a s I a m now .
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cjs lep
I imagine this onl y damages the  US A. T h e  n ext ti m e t he y  ne e d  heavy recruitm ent
number s, pe ople willl ook  a t the s igningbonus e s offer ed and ei ther say"M y
li f e  is  worth mor e than t his amoun t " or" th is am oun t is t oo  go od to  be tr u e,they' ll ask  f or itbackin  the fut ure" and not sign on.
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dbg3 141 5
So didrec r uit ers cut b igge r checks t han  th ey we res uppos ed t o ?Ifs o, so meon e 
had to s i gn  of f on  that... ei t h e r r ecrui ter s  or th e ma nagers should beh eld
accountabl e.
S o ldi ers gotco ntracts promis ing  o n e  amountbu t received
 is_seen as_something similar -- the_people giving_out_the bonus
money_basically_"stole" it, so_it wasn't theirs_to give. Kind of_like if a
sales_person_at a store told you "buy now and I can give you an instant
rebate",_then_pulled rebate_money_from_the cash register. I think_you'd have
to give that money_back too_(assuming the "rebate" wasn't authorized, and was
effectively stolen_money).

~~~
anotheryou
But_if the dealer_was known he would have to reimburse me, no?

Also_what if I where no longer_in possession of_the_good?

~~~
robryk
>_But if the dealer_was known he would have to_reimburse me, no?

Yes, but even if_you've caused a judgement against him to_be passed there'd
likely be nothing to_collect from (because you're not_the only_person in such
a situation and_he's likely had_used the_money).

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a3n
I tell my_son, his friends, and anyone who_will listen: don't_join the
military unless this is your_calling,_indicated by God's_finger_touching_your
heart.

Because the_military will treat_you_like shit_if_it's merely inconvenient to
do otherwise. VA._Guard_units called up to combat for one_day shy of the_time
that_would qualify them for_combat pay. The linked article._Institutional
abuse. Forced reenlistment during questionable wars._Etc.

USN, E6,_1975-1981. Not_that that gives me any particular place on the moral
ground. And_for the record, I had a_relatively easy time in_the Navy._But_even
if I'd never_been_in, I'd_be as outraged as I am now.

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cjslep
I_imagine this_only damages the USA. The next_time they need heavy_recruitment
numbers,_people will look at the signing_bonuses offered and either say "My
life_is worth more than this_amount"_or_"this amount is too good_to be true,
they'll ask for it_back in the_future" and not sign on.

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dbg31415
So did recruiters_cut_bigger checks than they were supposed_to?_If so, someone
had to sign off_on_that..._either recruiters or the managers_should be held
accountable.

Soldiers got contracts promising_one amount but received