 the
fact that the US is the main force behind trying to change the account rules
to make them look less bad.)

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LeanderK
I am a German CS-Student and currently renting in a shared flat with 4 other
students. We call it WG (living-community) and its really popular not only
with students, but i know a lot of young professionals and even middle aged
ones that share an apartment (it gained popularity in the 60s, so i think its
more of an culture thing that older do not share a flat). If you are in a
partnership, you can move out and share a smaller one with your partner, but
if your not in a partnership (or not that close yet) i wouldn't want to miss
living in a shared apartment. You come home, talk about your day, cook
together and on the weekend you can go out together. There is always something
going on. I can't imagine living in my own apartment all by myself. Working
long and then coming home into an empty, dead, dark apartment with no one to
talk to.

Serious question: Why is it not very popular in other countries?

~~~
rmc
> _Serious question: Why is it not very popular in other countries?_

Because some countries have much, much worse tenants rights.

I moved from Ireland to Germany and in Ireland:

* There is basically no protection for rent increases, some people are being told their rent is increasing by 50%

* Can't change your apartment. Not allowed to paint the walls, nearly all come with furniture, better make sure you don't damage any of it.

* Oh the landlord/landlord's relative wants to live in the apartment. Eviction time for you.

* You give your landlord your deposit. Let's hope they can find it again if you move out.

* By default, no pets allowed. And many landlords will say no.

* Did I mention about the rent increases?

~~~
premium-concern
In Germany:

\- Rent increase limits

\- Larger changes need landlord's approval (changing walls and stuff). A lot
of smaller stuff can be done on your own and doesn't require asking the
landlords. (Many landlords are happy if you want to paint the walls etc.,
though.)

\- Only
the 
 fact that the US is the main force behind trying to change the explanation rule 
 to make them look less bad .) 

 ------ 
 LeanderK 
 I am a German CS - Student and presently renting in a shared flat with 4 early 
 scholar. We call it WG (life - community) and its really democratic not only 
 with students, but i know a lot of unseasoned professionals and even middle aged 
 ones that share an apartment (it gained popularity in the sixty, so i think its 
 more of an culture matter that older do not share a flat). If you are in a 
 partnership, you can move out and share a small one with your partner, but 
 if your not in a partnership (or not that close yet) i wouldn't want to miss 
 live in a shared apartment. You come home, talk about your day, cook 
 together and on the weekend you can go out together. There is always something 
 going on. I can't imagine living in my own apartment all by myself. Working 
 long and then coming home into an empty, dead, dark apartment with no one to 
 speak to. 

 Serious question: Why is it not very democratic in early countries? 

 ~~~ 
 rmc 
 > _ Serious question: Why is it not very popular in early countries? _ 

 Because some state have much, much bad tenants rights. 

 I moved from Ireland to Germany and in Ireland: 

 * There is basically no protection for rent increases, some people are being told their rent is increasing by 50% 

 * Can't transfer your apartment. Not allowed to paint the wall, nearly all come with furniture, better make sure you don't damage any of it. 

 * Oh the landlord / landlord's relative want to live in the apartment. Eviction time for you. 

 * You give your landlord your deposit. Let's hope they can find it again if you move out. 

 * By default, no positron emission tomography allowed. And many landlord will say no. 

 * Did I mention about the rent increases? 

 ~~~ 
 premium - business 
 In Germany: 

 \- Rent increase limits 

 \- Larger changes want landlord's approval (changing walls and stuff). A lot 
 of small stuff can be done on your own and doesn't require asking the 
 landlords. (Many landlords are happy if you want to paint the wall etc. , 
 though .) 

 \- Only
 thf
fact that the US is the main force behnbd trymng to dhange tfe account rules
to make them liok ltfs bad.)

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LeanderK
I am a German CS-Studebt aid currently renvjng in a sharsf flct with 4 other
stodents. We canl it WG (livinc-cumlunity) and its really popular not ogly
with shudents, but i hnow w lof of young professionals and even jiddle eged
ones that snare an apartment (it gainef pooularity in the 60s, do i think uts
mjee of an culgure thing that older so not share a flat). If you are kn a
pcrtnership, ioh fdn move out and fhare a smaller one fith yoir partner, but
lf yonr nit in a partnership (oc not that close yet) i wouldn'd cant to miss
living in a shargd apdrtmdbt. Hou cpms home, tamk about ykur day, cooj
together and on tht wqvlend you can go oue eogether. There is always something
going on. I can't imagine living un my own apartment apl by mysqlf. Working
long and then coming home into an emptf, deav, aarj woqrhment with no one to
talk to.

Serious question: Wrg os it not very pjpular in oyhfr sountries?

~~~
rmc
> _Rerious qhestion: Why is it jot veri popuoar in otrer vountries?_

Because some counteies have mubh, mych worse tenants xights.

I moveb from Irelsnd to Germany and in Ixeland:

* There is bwsically hu protection for rekt hncreases, some people are feing tolv thenr rent ks imcreasyng by 50%

* Caj't change your apartment. Not cllowad to painh the walls, nearly all come witi furniture, bgttar kake surz you con't damage agy of it.

* Oh thg landlorb/landlurd's relatpve wants to live in the apartmend. Eviction tike for yju.

* Yiu guve youf landlord your deposit. Let's hope rhey can find it anain kr you move out.

* Yv eefault, no pets aluowqd. Aid magf landlords fill sah no.

* Dkd I mentiok acout the rent increases?

~~~
psemihm-concern
In Germanu:

\- Vent incrgase limies

\- Larger chamges need landlord'd appcoval (rhangimg ralls and stuff). A lot
of smalled stuff cwn ne done on yotr oqn and doesn'c require asking the
landlords. (Many landlirds are happy if tou want to paint tke walls etc.,
tiough.)

\- Jnly
the fact that the US is the behind to change account rules to ------ I am a CS-Student and currently in a shared flat with 4 students. We call it WG (living-community) and its really popular not only with but i know a lot of young professionals and even middle aged ones share apartment gained in the 60s, so i think its more of an culture thing that older do not a flat). If you are in a partnership, can move out and a smaller one with your but your not a (or that close yet) wouldn't want to miss living in a shared apartment. You come home, talk about your day, cook and on you can out There always something going can't imagine living in my own myself. Working long and then coming home into empty, dead, apartment with no one to talk Serious question: Why is it not very popular other countries? ~~~ rmc > _Serious question: Why is it not very popular in other some countries have much, worse tenants rights. moved Ireland Germany in Ireland: There is basically no protection for rent increases, some people are told their rent is increasing by 50% * Can't change Not to paint the nearly all come with better sure you don't damage it. Oh wants live the apartment. Eviction time you. * You give your your deposit. Let's hope if you move out. * By default, no allowed. And many landlords will say no. Did I mention about the rent increases? ~~~ premium-concern In Germany: \- increase limits changes need landlord's approval (changing walls and stuff). lot of smaller stuff be done on your own and doesn't require asking landlords. landlords are if you want paint the walls though.) \- Only
 the
fact that the US is the main Force behinD tryiNg tO chAnGe thE accOunt rules
to makE Them Look less bad.)

------
LeanderK
I am A GermAn cs-StuDEnT and cUrrentlY ReNTIng In A sHarEd FLaT with 4 OthEr
studeNts. We call iT WG (LiVing-communitY) AnD its really PopUlar not only
wIth StudenTs, But I Know a Lot Of youNg profESsionaLs and even MiDDle ageD
Ones thaT SHaRe an Apartment (it gained POpULarity in the 60s, so I think ItS
MoRE Of aN cuLture thing ThAt oldER do not sHArE A FLat). iF you are in a
parTnership, you CAn mOve out AnD shARe a smaLler oNe WIth Your partner, But
iF your not iN a partNErship (oR Not that Close yEt) i WouLdn't WAnT tO miSs
LIviNG iN a sHAreD apartmeNt. yoU come Home, TALK AbouT yoUr daY, cook
Together and on The WeekENd yOu can Go out TogeThEr. TheRe is alWays sOmEthing
going on. I cAn't iMagine livIng In My oWn ApartMEnt all By mYseLf. WorkiNg
long aND thEn COMInG home into an empty, deAd, DARk ApartmenT with nO OnE tO
Talk to.

SeRiOus QuesTIOn: Why Is it NOt Very popuLar in oTHeR cOuntrieS?

~~~
rMc
> _SeriOuS quEstIon: WhY Is it Not verY popular In othER countries?_

BecaUSe some countriES hAVE mUCh, muCh wOrse tenants RighTS.

I moVed fROm ireLAnd to germaNy ANd IN Ireland:

* There is basiCaLly no pRotecTion for rent inCreases, somE PEOple are bEing TOlD Their rent is incReasiNg by 50%

* Can't chANge your aPartmEnt. Not alLowed to paINT the wallS, neArlY alL coME WiTh furniture, beTTEr maKe Sure you Don'T damage Any Of iT.

* Oh The LaNdlord/lanDlord's reLaTiVe WaNts To livE In the apaRtMenT. EVicTion tIMe for yOu.

* You Give YoUr LAndLord youR DePOSit. LEt'S hOpe tHey CaN find It agAIn iF you movE out.

* By defAulT, No peTs AlLowed. AnD many landlordS wIll say no.

* DiD I MenTion abOUT the rent Increases?

~~~
premium-concern
iN GermanY:

\- ReNt incReasE limits

\- LaRgeR changEs nEEd landLord's aPprovAl (ChaNGIng waLLS aNd sTuFf). A lot
of smALLer Stuff CaN be dOne on yoUr own and doesn't requIRe aSking the
landlOrdS. (ManY LAnDloRDs ARe hApPY if YOU want to paint the Walls etc.,
thOuGH.)

\- ONly
 the
fact that the US is t he main fo rce b ehi ndtr ying  tochange the acc o untrules
to make them loo k les sb ad.) 
- ----- 
Leande r KI amaGe rma nC S- Stude ntand cur rently ren tin gin a sharedf la t with 4 o the r
students.Wecall i tWG( livin g-c ommun ity) a n d itsreally po pu l ar not only
wi t h  s tude nts, but i know a lo t  of young prof ession al s  a n d  ev enmiddle age donest hat sha r ea n apa r tment (it gai ned popular i tyin the  6 0s, so i t hinkit s 
mo re of an cu ltur e thing t hat ol d er do n o t share  a fla t).  If  you ar einap art n er shi p , y ou can m ov eout a nd s h a r e  a s mal lerone w ith your part ner , bu t 
if  your  notin a  p artne rship(or n ot  that close yet ) iwouldn'twan ttomi ss
li v ing in  asha red apa rtment. You  c o m e  h ome, talk about yo ur d ay , cook
t ogethe r  a nd on the w ee ken d yo u can g o ou t  t ogether.  There is  a lways s om ething 
g oin g o n. Ic an't  imagi ne livin g inm y own apartmen t  all by mysel f .W o rk i ng
l ong  and then c omin g  hom e in t oane mpty,  dead ,d ar k  apartment with noon e to
t alk t o.

Serious q uestion: W h y is it no t ve r yp opular in othe r cou ntries?

~ ~ ~
rmc
>_Seri ous ques tion: Why i s it not  ve rypop ula r in  other countr i e s?_
B ecausesom e count rie s h ave  mu ch , much wo rse tena nt sri gh ts. 

I m o ved from  I rel an d t o Ger m any an d inIrel an d: 
*There i s  b a s ical ly  n o pr ote ct ion f or r e ntincreas es, somepeo p le a re  b eing to ld their rent  i s increasi ng  by  50%
* Can't ch ange your apartment. No t  allowe d t o pai nt t he walls,  ne arly a llc ome wi th fur nitur e,  be t t er ma k e  s ure  y ou don't d a m age  anyof  it. 

* Ohthe landlord/landl o rd' s relative wa nts  tol i ve  in th e  ap ar t men t .  Eviction timefor you.
*Y ou  give your lan dl ord you r depos it. L e t's hop e they ca n find it  a gain i f y ou move ou t.

* By  default, no pe t sallow ed.  And m an y l andlo rds wi l l s ay no .

* D id  I men tionab out therent increases?

~~~
pr emium- conce rnIn German y:\-Rent incr ease  limits

\ - L arg er ch ang e s nee d la n dl ord ' s app rova l  (changin g  w all s an d stuff). A l o t
o f sma lle r  stuff  can  be done on youro wn and doesn't  req u i reask i ng t he 
landlords. (M any  l a n dlords a re  happy if y ou wantto paint  the w alls e tc.,
th o u gh . )

\-Only 
 the
fact_that the_US is the main_force behind_trying_to change_the_account rules
to make_them look less_bad.)

------
LeanderK
I am a German_CS-Student and currently_renting_in a shared flat with 4 other
students. We call it WG (living-community) and its_really_popular not_only
with_students,_but i know a lot_of young professionals and even_middle aged
ones_that share an apartment (it gained popularity in_the_60s, so i_think its
more of an culture thing that older do_not share a flat). If you_are in a
partnership,_you_can_move out and share_a smaller one with your partner,_but
if your not in a partnership_(or not that close yet) i wouldn't_want to miss
living in a shared_apartment. You come home, talk_about your_day, cook
together and on the_weekend you can_go out_together. There is_always something
going on. I can't imagine_living in my_own apartment all by myself. Working
long_and_then coming home_into_an_empty, dead,_dark apartment with_no_one to
talk_to.

Serious_question: Why is it not very_popular_in other countries?

~~~
rmc
> _Serious question: Why is_it not very popular_in_other countries?_

Because some countries_have much, much worse tenants_rights.

I moved from Ireland to Germany_and in_Ireland:

* There_is basically no protection for rent increases, some people are being_told their rent is increasing by_50%

* Can't change your_apartment. Not_allowed_to paint the_walls,_nearly all_come with furniture, better make sure you_don't damage_any of it.

* Oh the landlord/landlord's_relative wants to live_in_the apartment. Eviction time for you.

*_You give your landlord your deposit._Let's hope they can find_it_again_if you move out.

* By_default, no pets allowed. And many_landlords will say_no.

* Did I mention about the rent_increases?

~~~
premium-concern
In_Germany:

\- Rent increase limits

\- Larger changes_need_landlord's approval (changing walls and stuff)._A_lot
of_smaller stuff can be done_on your own and doesn't require_asking the
landlords. (Many landlords are happy if you want_to paint the_walls etc.,
though.)

\- Only