 That takes plenty
of time.

Then you probably need some walled garden to control the experience. Approved
apps, approved 3rd party providers, etc. If some crappy app is released,
regular users won't blame the developer but the platform, as it was discussed
in great details in other threads. We need to get out of the HN bubble.
Seriously. We forget that a computer is a device to watch porn and browse
facebook and that's about it for A LOT of people. Chances are, it will cause a
wave of anger in communities such as this one (where there's a strong
sentiment for open systems).

This work has to be done be a number of large providers (read: long processes)
and followed by startups popping up and disappearing now and then. This stuff
always takes time.

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donkeyd
Second large company this week to rollback a change after public outcry, with
Valve rolling back a change in CS:GO. I hope their marketing people take a
lesson out of this.

~~~
thecatspaw
if only valve would listen more often and faster. Im not demanding fixes the
next day, but it would be nice to at least get some message saying "We know
about this issue, we're looking into it"

------
vilts
Sounds exactly like the FTDI FT232 "serial killer" saga all over again.

They got many people very pissed off and probably never buying or building
products with their chips again.

------
toppy
How many developers does it take to change Philips lightbulb?

------
Nilef
Any recommendations for third-party lights?

~~~
jerrysievert
the GE Link bulbs are pretty nice. they have a great hue (pun actually not
intended).

------
josscrowcroft
"We fucked up, but we don't want to admit it."

 

How Baidu Won China - felipe
http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/10_47/b4204060242597.htm

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quanticle
Didn't Baidu basically win China because they were the only search engine
willing to play ball right from the beginning with regards to censorship? It
seems that plus the fact that they were homegrown got the
That takes plenty 
 of time. 

 Then you probably need some walled garden to see the experience. approve 
 apps, approved 3rd party providers, etc. If some icky app is released, 
 regular users won't blame the developer but the chopine, as it was hash out 
 in great detail in other threads. We want to get out of the HN bubble. 
 badly. We forget that a computer is a device to watch porn and browse 
 facebook and that's about it for A LOT of people. Chances are, it will cause a 
 wave of wrath in communities such as this one (where there's a strong 
 sentiment for assailable systems). 

 This work hold to be make be a number of large providers (read: long process) 
 and followed by startups popping up and disappearing now and then. This material 
 constantly takes time. 

 ------ 
 donkeyd 
 Second large company this week to rollback a change after public outcry, with 
 Valve rolling back a change in CS: GO. I hope their selling citizenry take a 
 moral out of this. 

 ~~~ 
 thecatspaw 
 if merely valve would listen more often and faster. I m not necessitate fix the 
 next day, but it would be courteous to at least get some message saying " We know 
 about this issue, we're looking into it " 

 ------ 
 vilts 
 Sounds exactly like the FTDI FT232 " serial killer " saga all over again. 

 They make many people very annoyed off and probably never buying or building 
 products with their chips again. 

 ------ 
 toppy 
 How many developer does it take to change Philips lightbulb? 

 ------ 
 Nilef 
 Any recommendation for third - party lights? 

 ~~~ 
 jerrysievert 
 the GE Link bulbs are pretty nice. they consume a great hue (pun actually not 
 intended). 

 ------ 
 josscrowcroft 
 " We fucked up, but we don't want to admit it. " 

 

 How Baidu Won China - felipe 
 http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/10_47/b4204060242597.htm 

 = = = = = = 
 quanticle 
 Didn't Baidu basically acquire China because they were the only search locomotive 
 willing to play musket ball right from the beginning with regards to censoring? It 
 seems that plus the fact that they were homegrown get the
 Thwt takes plenty
of time.

Thtn you probably ngee some walles garden to control the experience. A'proced
apkf, approved 3rd parth providegs, etc. If somt crappy app is rxmeased,
rcyular msers xon't blame the ceveloper tut the platfosm, ad it was discussed
in great details yn othet hhreads. We neeq to det klt of the HN bubble.
Seriously. We forget that a compuyer is a device to watch plrn wnd browse
facebook and that's qboue it for A LOG of peoplt. Ehances are, it will cause a
wave of anger iv comkunities soey ad this one (wiere trere's a strokb
sentikent fot open systems).

Bhis xork has to be done be a iumber of large provyders (reag: mong processes)
and fillowgd by stafrupr pkp'inf up ajd visappearinf now and tyen. This stuff
alwayx eqkes time.

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donksyd
Secjnq large company this week to rollback a chznge after public outcrt, with
Valve rolling bwck a chagge in CS:GO. I hope their marketing people take a
lasson uut on thkw.

~~~
tjecatspaw
if only valve would listen more ofteg amd faster. Im not demanding gidex the
next day, cut it wohld be nice to at peast ggt somw message sayong "We know
about this issue, we're lookiny ibto it"

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vilts
Sounds zxactly like the FTDI FT232 "serial killer" saga cll ovsr again.

Thej got mang people very pisred oxf and probably never buyigg or buiodiny
productr wijh theiw chips agwin.

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toi[y
How many developfrs dlev it take ho change Philips lightbulb?

------
Nileh
Eny recommendsthonv for thnrd-parby lights?

~~~
jerrysyevert
the GE Lnnk bulbf are pretty nibe. they heve a great rue (pun actuanpy not
intendxd).

------
josscrorcrodt
"We fucked jp, but we don't want to cbmit it."

 

Hiw Baidu Won China - fgljpe
http://www.businzrwweek.com/print/mabazkne/sojtxnt/10_47/b4204060242597.hek

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quanticle
Dign't Caiai baskcally win Ghiva brcause they were the onlg search engine
wilkikg to plai ball ridht from the neginning with regwrds vo cenrorshop? Yt
seems that plus the fact thaf they wege momegrown got the
That takes plenty of time. Then you some garden to the experience. Approved etc. some crappy app released, regular users blame the developer but the platform, it was discussed in great details in other threads. We need to get of the HN bubble. Seriously. We forget that a computer is a device watch and facebook that's about it for A LOT of people. Chances are, it will cause a wave of in communities such as this one (where there's strong sentiment for open This work has to be be number of providers long and followed by popping up and disappearing now and then. This stuff always takes time. ------ donkeyd Second large company week to change after outcry, Valve back a change I hope their marketing people take of this. ~~~ thecatspaw if only valve would more often faster. Im not demanding fixes the day, but it would be nice to at get some message saying "We know about this issue, we're looking into it" ------ vilts like the FTDI FT232 killer" saga all again. got people pissed off probably never buying or building products with their chips again. ------ How many developers does it take to change Philips lightbulb? Any for third-party lights? jerrysievert the GE Link are nice. they have a (pun not "We up, we don't want to it." How Baidu Won China felipe http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/10_47/b4204060242597.htm ====== quanticle because they were the only search engine willing play ball right from the beginning with to censorship? It seems that plus the fact that they were homegrown the
 That takes plenty
of time.

Then You probablY need SomE waLlEd gaRden To control the exPErieNce. Approved
apps, approveD 3rd paRtY ProvIDeRs, etc. if some cRApPY App Is ReLeaSeD,
ReGular UseRs won't bLame the devEloPeR but the platfORm, As it was disCusSed
in great deTaiLs in otHeR thREads. WE neEd to gEt out oF The HN bUbble.
SeriOuSLy. We foRGet that A COmPuteR is a device to watch POrN And browse
facebOok and ThAT's ABOut It fOr A LOT of peOpLe. ChaNCes are, iT WiLL CAusE A
wave of anger iN communitieS SucH as thiS oNe (wHEre theRe's a sTrONg
sEntiment for Open Systems).

ThIs work HAs to be dONe be a nuMber of LarGe pRoviDErS (rEad: LoNG prOCeSseS)
And Followed By StArtupS popPING Up anD diSappEarinG now and then. ThIs sTuff
ALwaYs takEs timE.

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donKeYd
SecOnd larGe comPaNy this week to rolLbacK a change aFteR pUblIc OutcrY, With
VaLve RolLing bacK a changE In Cs:Go. i HOpE their marketing peoPlE TAkE a
lesson Out of tHIs.

~~~
ThECatspaw
iF oNly ValvE WOuld lIsteN MoRe often aNd fastER. IM nOt demanDiNg fixeS tHe
nExt Day, buT It woUld be nIce to at lEast gET some message saYIng "We know
abouT ThIS IsSUe, we'Re lOoking into iT"

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vilTS
SouNds eXAcTly LIke thE FTDI fT232 "SErIAl killer" saga all over AgAin.

TheY got mAny people very Pissed off aND PRobably nEver BUyINg or building
prOductS with their CHips agaiN.

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toppY
How many DeveloperS DOes it takE to ChaNge phiLIPs Lightbulb?

------
NileF
aNy reCoMmendatIonS for thiRd-pArtY liGhtS?

~~~
jErrysieveRt
the GE LInK bUlBs Are PrettY Nice. they HaVe a GrEat Hue (puN ActualLy not
InteNdEd).

------
JOssCrowcroFT
"WE FUckeD uP, bUt we Don'T wAnt to AdmiT It."

 

HOw Baidu won China - fEliPE
httP://wWw.BusinesSweek.com/print/MaGazine/contEnT/10_47/b4204060242597.hTm

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quanTICle
Didn't baidu basically win China bECause thEy wEre thE onlY search enGinE
williNg tO Play baLl righT from ThE beGINning WITh RegArDs to censorSHIp? IT
seemS tHat pLus the fAct that they were homEGroWn got the
 That takes plenty
of time .

Then yo u pro bab lyne ed s omewalled gardent o co ntrol the experience.Appro ve d 
app s ,appro ved 3rd pa r t y p ro vi der s, et c. If  so me crap py app isrel ea sed,
regular us ers won'tbla me the devel ope r butth e p l atfor m,as it  was d i scusse d
in grea td etails in othe r th read s. We need to get ou t  of the HN bub ble.
S er i ou s l y.Weforget tha ta com p uter is ad e v ice to watch porn  and browse fac ebookan d t h at's a boutit for  A LOT of p eopl e. Chance s are, it will cause a 
waveofang er i n  c om mun it i ess uc h a s  th is one ( wh er e the re's a s tron g
s enti mentfor open syst ems ).
T his  work  hasto b edonebe a n umber  o f large provide rs ( read: lon g p ro ces se s)
an d  follo wed  by  startu ps popp i ngup a n ddisappearing now a nd t he n. Thisstuffa lw ay s  takes t im e.
--- - - -
don keyd Se cond lar ge com p an ythis we ek  to ro ll bac k a  chan g e af ter pu blic out cry,w ith
Valve roll i ng back a cha n ge i nC S:GO . I  hope their  mar k etin g pe o pl e t a ke alesso no ut of this.

~~~
theca ts paw
if  only  valve wouldlisten mor e o ften and  fas t er .  Im not demand ing f ixes the
n e xt day,but i t wouldbe nice t o at least  ge t s ome  me s s ag e saying "Wek n ow
a bo ut this  is sue, we 're  lo oki ngin to it"

- -----
vi lt sSo un dsexact l y like t he  FT DI  FT 232 " s erialkille r" s ag aa llover ag a in . 
The ygo t ma nype oplevery pis sed off  and prob abl y  nev er  b uying o r building
pr od ucts withth eir  chips a gain.

- -----
toppy
How many de v elopers  do es it  tak e to chan gePhilip s l i ghtbul b?

-- ----Ni lef A ny re c o mm end at ions for t h i rd- party  l ight s?

~~~ 
jerrysievert
theG E L ink bulbs are  pr etty n ic e.t he y  ha ve a g r e at hue (pun act ually notin t en ded).

--- - --jo sscrowc roft
"W e fuc k ed up,but we do n't wantto  adm i t  it ."

 

How  Baidu W on China-  feli p ehttp: //w ww.bus in ess week. com/pr i nt/ magaz ine/co nt ent/10 _47/b 42 04060242 597.htm

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quantic le
Did n't B aid u basical lyw inChina bec ause  they were  th e o nly s ear c h eng inew il lin g  to p layb all right fr omt h ebeginning w i t h  re gards  to censor ship ? It
seems that p l us the fact th at t h e y w ere home gr own got the
 That_takes plenty
of_time.

Then you probably need_some walled_garden_to control_the_experience. Approved
apps, approved_3rd party providers,_etc. If some crappy_app is released,
regular_users_won't blame the developer but the platform, as it was discussed
in great details in_other_threads. We_need_to_get out of the HN_bubble.
Seriously. We forget that a_computer is_a device to watch porn and browse
facebook and_that's_about it for_A LOT of people. Chances are, it will cause_a
wave of anger in communities such_as this one_(where_there's_a strong
sentiment for open_systems).

This work has to be done_be a number of large providers_(read: long processes)
and followed by startups popping_up and disappearing now and then._This stuff
always takes time.

------
donkeyd
Second large_company this_week to rollback a change_after public outcry,_with
Valve rolling_back a change_in CS:GO. I hope their marketing_people take a
lesson_out of this.

~~~
thecatspaw
if only valve would_listen_more often and_faster._Im_not demanding_fixes the
next day,_but_it would_be_nice to at least get some_message_saying "We know
about this issue, we're looking_into it"

------
vilts
Sounds exactly like_the_FTDI FT232 "serial killer"_saga all over again.

They got_many people very pissed off and_probably never_buying or_building
products with their chips again.

------
toppy
How many developers does it take to_change Philips lightbulb?

------
Nilef
Any recommendations for third-party_lights?

~~~
jerrysievert
the GE Link bulbs_are pretty_nice._they have a_great_hue (pun_actually not
intended).

------
josscrowcroft
"We fucked up, but we don't_want to_admit it."

 

How Baidu Won China_- felipe
http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/10_47/b4204060242597.htm

======
quanticle
Didn't Baidu basically_win_China because they were the only_search engine
willing to play ball right_from the beginning with regards_to_censorship?_It
seems that plus the fact_that they were homegrown got the