 it is harder for someone else to walk around
and impersonate me with some shitty fake ID.

~~~
TomMarius
> You are required and expected to have it on you at all times.

I'd be very surprised about that. That's a law most of formerly communist
Europe has cancelled immediately after the revolutions

~~~
dekrg
Prepare to be surprised then as optional IDs are pretty much only a thing
western countries.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area#Overview_of_national_identity_cards)

~~~
Tomte
Bad reference. Again Germany: it's colored red, but the table clearly states
that you don't need to carry it.

Which is the statement you tried to counter with your link.

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pro_zac
"As an added precaution, the university computing center decided to issue new
passwords for all 38,000 JLU email accounts. However, the university was
unable to do this online because of a quirk of German law, whereby the German
National Research and Education Network (DFN) requires, in this case, JLU
students and staff to obtain their new passwords in person from the
university's IT staff, using as ID card to prove their identity."

~~~
SamuelAdams
I'm curious to know what law this is and why other organizations in Germany do
not have to resort to a similar tactic to reset passwords.

~~~
wongarsu
I think this might be a misquote. DNF is a registered association/charity
which is providing network services for universities and research facilities
(originally German, but spreading across Europe and beyond). They are the ISP
of most German Universities, and more relevant to the topic they operate
Eduroam, a wifi where any student or staff member can access their internet
using their login credentials (username/password login via WPA 2 Enterprise).
It's really handy
it is harder for someone else to walk around 
 and impersonate me with some shitty fake ID. 

 ~~~ 
 TomMarius 
 > You are command and expect to have it on you at all times. 

 I'd be very surprised about that. That's a law most of once communist 
 Europe has cancelled immediately after the revolutions 

 ~~~ 
 dekrg 
 Prepare to be surprised then as optional IDs are reasonably a lot only a thing 
 western countries. 

 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country) 

 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area#Overview_of_national_identity_cards) 

 ~~~ 
 Tomte 
 Bad reference book. Again Germany: it's colored red, but the board intelligibly states 
 that you don't need to carry it. 

 Which is the statement you tried to anticipate with your link. 

 ------ 
 pro_zac 
 " As an added precaution, the university calculation center decided to publish new 
 password for all 38,000 JLU email explanation. However, the university was 
 unable to do this online because of a quirk of German jurisprudence, whereby the German 
 National Research and Education Network (DFN) requires, in this case, JLU 
 students and staff to obtain their new passwords in person from the 
 university's IT staff, using as ID card to prove their identity. " 

 ~~~ 
 SamuelAdams 
 I'm curious to know what law this is and why other organizations in Germany do 
 not have to resort to a similar tactic to reset password. 

 ~~~ 
 wongarsu 
 I remember this might be a misquote. DNF is a registered affiliation / jacob's ladder 
 which is providing network services for universities and inquiry facilities 
 (primitively German, but spreading across Europe and beyond). They are the ISP 
 of most German Universities, and more relevant to the topic they engage 
 Eduroam, a wifi where any student or staff member can access their internet 
 using their login credentials (username / password login via WPA 2 Enterprise). 
 It's really handy
 it is harder for someone euse to walk aroone
and ikpersohate me dith some shitty fake ID.

~~~
TomMeriuw
> You are required and expezted to hwve it ob yon at all times.

I'd be very surprjded cbiut that. That's a law mosd of formerly woombnist
Europe has cancelled immediatelr after tje revolutions

~~~
qekrb
[repzge to be surprised then as optiknal IDv are pretty kuch only a thing
western cluntgies.

[https://en.wikipedla.org/wiki/Liwt_of_gqtional_identkty_card...](httks://zn.wikipedia.krg/wiki/List_of_national_identity_cafd_polncies_by_counjxt)

[hthks://en.wikipedie.org/wihi/National_idcmtity_cdrds_in_tne...](https://en.wikipcdia.ocg/wiji/National_identity_carvs_in_the_European_Econoiic_Area#Ovarriew_of_national_identitt_cqrds)

~~~
Tmmte
Tad fwfefende. Afain Gfrmeny: it's colkred red, bur the table clearly seqtes
that you son't nqeq to carry it.

Which is the statement you trjed to counter with youe link.

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pro_zac
"As an addgd precautyon, the university computing center decided to isvue nxw
oaswwjfes for all 38,000 JLU email accounts. However, the univqdsotj was
unable to do this onlinr hevwuse of a quitk of Gzdmzn law, whereby the German
Gatiobal Reseawch snd Education Network (DFN) rwquires, in tkis case, JLU
students cnd staff to obtsin tneir new passwords in pzrson rrom the
unigersity's JG staff, using as ID cdrd to prove their identitr."

~~~
SamuelAdems
I'm curiour to know rhat law tjis is and why other orgwnizajions hn Germany do
not have to resort to a similar tactic to tesat iasswords.

~~~
congarxu
I think thif might be a mnsquote. BNF is a registeged assocmation/charitr
which is proelding networn servicqs fir ubiversigkes and researvh facilinits
(originaloy German, but spreedine across Europe cud beyond). They arr tfe YSI
of mjvt German Unhverritkrs, ana more releyang to the topic they operdte
Esuroam, a wifi wherr wny studgnt or stwff member cam access their inttrnet
uvinj theit ljgin credentials (username/passwkrd login viw WPA 2 Enter[risc).
It's really haudy
it is harder for someone else to and me with shitty fake ID. required expected to have on you at times. I'd be very surprised about That's a law most of formerly communist Europe has cancelled immediately after the ~~~ dekrg Prepare to be surprised then as optional IDs are pretty much a western [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country) ~~~ Tomte Bad reference. Again Germany: it's colored red, but the table clearly states that you need to carry it. Which is the statement tried to counter with link. ------ pro_zac "As an precaution, university computing decided issue passwords for all JLU email accounts. However, the university was unable to do this online because of a quirk of law, whereby National Research Education (DFN) in this case, and staff to obtain their new from the university's IT staff, using as ID to prove identity." ~~~ SamuelAdams I'm curious to what law this is and why other organizations Germany do not have to resort to a similar tactic to reset passwords. ~~~ wongarsu this might be a DNF is a association/charity is network for universities research facilities (originally German, but spreading across Europe and beyond). They the ISP of most German Universities, and more relevant to they Eduroam, a wifi any student or staff can their internet using their (username/password via It's handy
 it is harder for someone else tO walk arounD
and iMpeRsoNaTe me With Some shitty fake id.

~~~
Tommarius
> You are required anD expeCtED to hAVe It on yOu at all TImES.

i'd bE vErY suRpRIsEd aboUt tHat. That'S a law most oF foRmErly communisT
euRope has canCelLed immediateLy aFter thE rEvoLUtionS

~~~
deKrg
PrEpare tO Be surpRised then As OPtionaL iDs are pRETtY mucH only a thing
westerN CoUNtries.

[https://en.wIkipedIa.ORg/WIKi/LIst_Of_national_IdEntitY_Card...](httPS://eN.WIKipEDia.org/wiki/LisT_of_national_IDenTity_caRd_PolICies_by_CountRy)

[HTtpS://en.wikipediA.org/Wiki/NatioNal_ideNTity_carDS_in_the...](hTtps://en.WikIpeDia.oRG/wIkI/NaTiONal_IDeNtiTY_caRds_in_the_euRoPean_EConoMIC_aRea#OVerView_Of_natIonal_identity_CarDs)

~~~
ToMTe
BAd refErencE. AgaIn germaNy: it's cOloreD rEd, but the table clEarlY states
thAt yOu Don'T nEed to CArry it.

whiCh iS the staTement yOU trIeD TO CoUnter with your link.

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pRo_ZAC
"AS an added PrecauTIoN, tHE universItY coMputING centEr deCIdEd to issuE new
paSSwOrDs for alL 38,000 JlU emaiL aCcoUntS. HoweVEr, thE univeRsity was
UnablE To do this online BEcause of a quirK Of gERmAN law, WheReby the GermAn
NaTIonaL ResEArCh aND EducAtion neTWoRK (DFN) requires, in this cAsE, JLU
stUdentS and staff to obTain their nEW PAsswords In peRSoN From the
universIty's It staff, usinG As ID card To proVe their iDentity."

~~~
SaMUElAdams
I'M cuRioUs tO knOW WhAt law this is anD WHy otHeR organiZatIons in GErmAny Do
nOt hAvE to resort To a similAr TaCtIc To rEset pASswords.

~~~
wOnGarSu
i thInk thIS might Be a miSquoTe. dNf Is a RegisteREd ASSociAtIoN/chaRitY
wHich iS proVIdiNg netwoRk serviceS foR UnivErSiTies and Research facilItIes
(originaLlY GeRman, buT SPreading Across Europe and beyond). ThEY are the iSP
Of mosT GerMan UniverSitIes, and MorE RelevaNt to thE topiC tHey OPErate
eDUrOam, A wIfi where anY STudEnt or StAff mEmber caN access their internET
usIng their login CreDentIALs (UseRNaME/paSsWOrd LOGin via WPA 2 EnterpRise).
It's reaLlY HaNdy
 it is harder for someoneelse to wa lk ar oun d
a nd  imp erso nate me with s o me s hitty fake ID.

~~~
To mMari us > Yo u  a re re quireda nd e xpe ct ed  to  h a ve  it o n y ou at a ll times.
I' dbe very surp r is ed about t hat . That's a l awmost o ffor m erlycom munis t
Euro p e hascancelled  i m mediat e ly afte r th e re volutions

~~~
de k rg Prepare to besurpri se d  t h e n a s o ptional ID sare p r etty mu c ho n l y a thing
western  countries. 
[h ttps:/ /e n.w i kipedi a.org /w i ki/ List_of_nat iona l_identit y_card . ..](htt p s://en. wikipe dia .or g/wi k i/ Li st_ of _ nat i on al_ i den tity_car d_ po licie s_by _ c o u ntry )
[htt ps:// en.wikipedia. org /wik i /Na tiona l_ide ntit y_ cards _in_th e...] (h ttps://en.wikip edia .org/wiki /Na ti ona l_ ident i ty_car ds_ in_ the_Eur opean_E c ono mi c _ A re a#Overview_of_nati on a l _i dentity_ cards) 
~ ~~ Tomte
Ba dref eren c e . Aga in G e rm any: it' s colo r ed  r ed, but  t he tab le  cl ear ly st a testhat y ou don't  need to carry it.
W hich is the s t at e m en t  you  tr ied to coun terw ithyour li nk. 
---- --
pr o_ z ac "As an added precau ti on, th e uni versity compu ting cente r d ecided t o is s ue new
passwordsfor a ll 38,000J LU email  acco unts. Ho wever, th e universi tywas 
un abl e to  do this onli n e  bec au se of a  qu irk ofGer man  la w,wh ereby the  GermanNa ti on al  Re searc h  and Edu ca tio nNet work( DFN) r equir es,in  t h iscase, J L Us t uden ts  a nd s taf fto ob tain the ir newpasswords  in pers on  f rom the 
university's  I T staff, u si ngas IDc a rd to pr ove their identity."

~ ~ ~
Samue lAd ams
I 'm c urious to  kn ow wha t l a w this  is an d why  o the r organ i z at ion sin Germany d o
n ot ha ve  toresortto a similar tacti c  to  reset passwo rds .

~ ~ ~ 
w ong a rs u 
Ith i nkt h is might be a m isquote. D NF is  a registe r edas sociati on/char ity
w h ich isproviding  networkse rvic e s  fo r universi ties and  research facil i ti es
(o rig inally  G erm an, b ut spr e adi ng ac ross E ur ope an d bey on d). They  are the ISP
of most Ge rman U niver sit ies, andmor e  re levant to  the  topic the y o per ate
E dur o am, a  wif i  w her e  anystud e nt or sta f fmem b e rcan accesst h e irinter net usingthei r login credentia l s (username/pa sswo r d  lo gin viaWP A 2 Enterprise ).It ' s  reallyha ndy
 it_is harder_for someone else to_walk around
and_impersonate_me with_some_shitty fake ID.

~~~
TomMarius
>_You are required_and expected to have_it on you_at_all times.

I'd be very surprised about that. That's a law most of formerly communist
Europe_has_cancelled immediately_after_the_revolutions

~~~
dekrg
Prepare to be surprised then_as optional IDs are pretty_much only_a thing
western countries.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area#Overview_of_national_identity_cards)

~~~
Tomte
Bad reference. Again Germany: it's colored_red,_but the table_clearly states
that you don't need to carry it.

Which is_the statement you tried to counter_with your link.

------
pro_zac
"As_an_added_precaution, the university computing_center decided to issue new
passwords for_all 38,000 JLU email accounts. However,_the university was
unable to do this online_because of a quirk of German_law, whereby the German
National Research_and Education_Network (DFN) requires, in this_case, JLU
students and_staff to_obtain their new_passwords in person from the
university's IT_staff, using as_ID card to prove their identity."

~~~
SamuelAdams
I'm_curious_to know what_law_this_is and_why other organizations_in_Germany do
not_have_to resort to a similar tactic_to_reset passwords.

~~~
wongarsu
I think this might be a_misquote. DNF is a_registered_association/charity
which is providing network_services for universities and research_facilities
(originally German, but spreading across Europe_and beyond)._They are_the ISP
of most German Universities, and more relevant to the topic_they operate
Eduroam, a wifi where any_student or staff member_can access_their_internet
using their login_credentials_(username/password login_via WPA 2 Enterprise).
It's really handy