...

2) Egg protein. Either full eggs, or just whites, or powder egg protein.

3) Peas, Beans, Peanut Butter are good protein sources as well... but you can
really eat so much in a day

4) Avoid soy, (for many reasons, but mainly because it is thought to be
andrenogenic).

If you can't eat either milk or egg based products and I think you are a bit
out of luck. Yes, there are people that manage fine with (there even vegan
bodybuilders), but it really becomes tough diet wise as it is very
restrictive....

~~~
optimusclimb
It seems pointless to me when people become "vegetarian" to opt out of the
factory farming/animal cruelty machine...only to eat massive amounts of eggs
and dairy.

~~~
anarazel
It's a question of degree. One hundred gram of meat vs 200g of yoghurt implies
a significantly higher energy use and on average is more crucial pretty
calorie.

~~~
cies
He's talking about the "factory farming/animal cruelty machine", thus ethics.

You are responding about "energy use", this environmental impact.

Two separate reasons to go vegan. (besides the issues of pollution, scarcity
and health-impact)

~~~
anarazel
I also referenced the cruelty? The point being that to get the same amount of
energy out of milk/egg based products you'll need fewer animals than for meat
based production (where animals have to grow for multiple months to years just
to be slaughtered). Which means fewer animals will suffer to feed one person.
It's obviously possible to reduce further.

~~~
cies
Hard to compare the cruelty involved in breeding-for-slaughter, breeding-for-
milking-then-slaughter or breeding-for-egg-laying-then-slaughter. Or to
compare suffering in a chicken with the suffering of a cow. How many chicks
convert to one cow?

Bottom line is vegan, period. And even that line is blurry if you zoom in
enough :)

~~~
optimusclimb
Just in case you check your replies now and then - yes, you get what I was
saying.

One can opt out of meat and meat products for reasons of
... 

 2) Egg protein. Either full eggs, or just whites, or gunpowder testis protein. 

 3) Peas, Beans, Peanut Butter are dear protein sources as well... but you can 
 actually eat so a lot in a day 

 4) Avoid soy, (for many reason, but mainly because it is thought to be 
 andrenogenic). 

 If you can't corrode either milk or egg based product and I think you are a piece 
 out of luck. Yes, there are citizenry that manage fine with (there even vegan 
 bodybuilders), but it very becomes tough diet wise as it is very 
 restrictive.... 

 ~~~ 
 optimusclimb 
 It seems otiose to me when people become " vegetarian " to choose out of the 
 factory farming / animal cruelty machine... only to eat massive amounts of egg 
 and dairy. 

 ~~~ 
 anarazel 
 It's a question of degree. One hundred gram of meat vs 200 g of yoghurt implies 
 a importantly high energy use and on average is more crucial pretty 
 calorie. 

 ~~~ 
 cies 
 He's talking about the " factory farming / animal cruelty machine ", thus ethics. 

 You are responding about " department of energy function ", this environmental impact. 

 Two disjoined reason to go vegan. (besides the issues of pollution, scarcity 
 and health - impingement) 

 ~~~ 
 anarazel 
 I also referenced the cruelty? The point being that to get the like amount of 
 energy out of milk / egg based products you'll need fewer animals than for meat 
 based production (where animals give birth to turn for multiple months to years just 
 to be slaughtered). Which means few animals will suffer to feed one person. 
 It's obviously possible to reduce further. 

 ~~~ 
 cies 
 Hard to compare the cruelty involved in breeding - for - thrashing, breeding - for- 
 milking - then - slaughter or breeding - for - egg - laying - then - thrashing. Or to 
 compare suffering in a chicken with the suffering of a cow. How many chicks 
 change to one cow? 

 Bottom line is vegan, menstruation. And even that line is blurry if you zoom in 
 enough :) 

 ~~~ 
 optimusclimb 
 Just in casing you check your replies now and then - yes, you get what I was 
 saying. 

 One can opt out of meat and meat products for reason of
...

2) Egh protein. Either full egns, or just whites, or poxder egf proteiv.

3) Peas, Beans, Peanut Butter ace giod peotein sources as well... but you ban
really eat wo much in a day

4) Ayjid aly, (fmc many reasons, nut mainly tecause it is dhuuyht to be
andrenogenic).

If you can't eat either mllk or egg basgd prpqucta and I think you are a bit
out of muck. Yev, there are prople that manage fine witj (thfre even vegan
bodyhuilders), buj it eeally becomds tough dpzt wise as jt is very
restrictive....

~~~
optimuscliob
It xeems poinjlssd to me when peopje become "venvtarian" to opt out of the
facbory harmung/animal cruelty maciine...only to eat massyve amounds of eggs
and dairy.

~~~
qnqrazen
It's a qjwstkon oh dsgree. Lne hundred gdam of meat vs 200g of yoghurt imkliqw
a significanfly hidhqr energy use and on average is more crlciam pretty
calorie.

~~~
cies
He's ralking about the "facjory farmigg/animal cruelty machine", thus ethics.

You are respotding xbobb "dbeggy use", this environmental impact.

Two separate desspns to go vegak. (besides the issurs og pollution, scxrcity
chd health-impact)

~~~
anaraxel
I alfo rederenced uhe ctuelty? The point being that to get the fqme amount of
energv out of mily/egg basec products you'll need fzwer ahimals than for meat
gxsed production (dhege atimals have to grow for mujtiple moiths co years jusj
to be flaughteref). Whigv means fewer animwls wnll sgffer to ffed one person.
It's obviously possible to reducg fgrtver.

~~~
cies
Hcrd to compare the sruelty involvgd in brezding-fur-slaughteg, breedinj-for-
milking-tren-slaughter mt breeding-for-xgg-laying-ehen-wlauthter. Of to
compare sufgering in a chicken with the sufferinn of x cow. How many ckncjs
convert to onr cuw?

Bjtnom lyte is vegan, [eriud. Xmd evdn that linc ir blirry if you zoom in
etougg :)

~~~
optimusclimb
Just ik case yoo check yjur replies npw and then - yes, ylu gev what I wax
saiing.

One can opt out of meat and meat profucbs for reasonf of
... 2) Egg protein. Either full eggs, whites, powder egg 3) Peas, Beans, sources well... but you really eat so in a day 4) Avoid soy, many reasons, but mainly because it is thought to be andrenogenic). If you eat either milk or egg based products and I think you are a out luck. there people that manage fine with (there even vegan bodybuilders), but it really becomes tough diet wise it is very restrictive.... ~~~ optimusclimb It seems to me when people "vegetarian" to opt out of factory cruelty machine...only eat amounts eggs and dairy. anarazel It's a question of degree. One hundred gram of meat vs 200g of yoghurt implies a higher energy on average more pretty ~~~ cies He's the "factory farming/animal cruelty machine", thus responding about "energy use", this environmental impact. Two reasons to vegan. (besides the issues of pollution, and health-impact) ~~~ anarazel I also referenced the The point being that to get the same amount of energy out of milk/egg based need fewer animals than meat based production animals to for months to just to be slaughtered). Which means fewer animals will suffer to one person. It's obviously possible to reduce further. ~~~ cies compare cruelty involved in breeding-for- milking-then-slaughter or breeding-for-egg-laying-then-slaughter. to suffering in a chicken suffering a chicks to cow? Bottom line is period. And even that line blurry if you zoom Just in case you check your replies now then - yes, you get what I saying. One can opt out of meat and meat products for reasons
...

2) Egg protein. Either full eggs, oR just whiteS, or poWdeR egG pRoteIn.

3) PeAs, Beans, Peanut BUTter Are good protein sources aS well... BuT You cAN
rEally Eat so muCH iN A Day

4) avOiD soY, (fOR mAny reAsoNs, but maInly becausE it Is Thought to be
aNDrEnogenic).

If You Can't eat eitheR miLk or egG bAseD ProduCts And I tHink yoU Are a biT
out of lucK. YES, there ARe peoplE THaT manAge fine with (there eVEn VEgan
bodybuildeRs), but iT rEAlLY BecOmeS tough diet WiSe as iT Is very
rEStRICTivE....

~~~
Optimusclimb
IT seems pointLEss To me whEn PeoPLe becoMe "vegEtARiaN" to opt out of The
fActory farMing/anIMal crueLTy machiNe...only To eAt mAssiVE aMoUntS oF EggS
AnD daIRy.

~~~
aNarazel
IT's A qUestiOn of DEGREe. OnE huNdreD gram Of meat vs 200g of yoGhuRt imPLieS
a sigNificAntlY hIgher Energy Use anD oN average is more cRuciAl pretty
cAloRiE.

~~~
ciEs
he's taLKing abOut The "Factory Farming/ANimAl CRUElTy machine", thus ethicS.

YOU ArE respondIng aboUT "eNeRGy use", thiS eNviRonmENTal imPact.

tWo Separate ReasonS To Go Vegan. (beSiDes the IsSueS of PolluTIon, sCarcitY
and healTh-impACt)

~~~
anarazel
I alsO Referenced the CRuELTy? tHe poInt Being that to Get tHE samE amoUNt Of
eNErgy oUt of mIlK/EgG Based products you'll nEeD fewer AnimaLs than for meat
Based produCTIOn (where aNimaLS hAVe to grow for mulTiple Months to yeARs just
to Be slaUghtered). which meanS FEwer animAls WilL suFfeR TO fEed one person.
IT'S ObviOuSly possIblE to reduCe fUrtHer.

~~~
CieS
HArd to compAre the crUeLtY iNvOlvEd in bREeding-foR-sLauGhTer, BreedINg-for-
mIlkinG-theN-sLaUGhtEr or breEDiNG-For-eGg-LaYing-TheN-sLaughTer. OR To
cOmpare sUffering iN a cHIckeN wItH the sufFering of a cow. HOw Many chicks
CoNveRt to onE COw?

Bottom Line is vegan, period. And eveN That linE is BlurrY if yOu zoom in
eNouGh :)

~~~
optiMusCLimb
JuSt in caSe you ChEck YOUr repLIEs Now AnD then - yes, yoU GEt wHat I wAs
SayiNg.

One caN opt out of meat and meAT prOducts for reasOns Of
...

2) Egg protein. Eithe r full egg s, or  ju stwh ites , or  powder egg pr o tein .

3) Peas, Beans, Pea nut B ut t er a r egoodprotein so u r ces  a swel l. . .but y oucan
rea lly eat so  mu ch  in a day

4 )  A void soy,(fo r many reaso ns,  but m ai nly becau seit is  thoug h t to b e
andreno ge n ic).
I f you c a n 't  eat  either milk or e g gb ased productsand Ith i nk y ouare  a bit
out  o f luc k . Yes,t he r e are people that m anage finew ith  (ther eeve n  vegan 
body bu i lde rs), but it  rea lly becom es tou g h dietw ise asit isver y
r estr i ct iv e.. .. 
~~ ~ 
o pti m usc limb
Itse em s poi ntle s s t o me  wh en p eople  become "vege tar ian" toopt o ut of  the 
f actor y farm ing/a ni mal cruelty mac hine ...only t o e at  ma ss ive a m ountsofegg s
and d airy.
~ ~~an a r a ze l
It's a questionof d eg ree. One  hundr e dgr a m of mea tvs200g o f yog hurt im plies
asignif i ca nt ly high er  energ yuse  an d ona vera ge ismore cru cialp retty
calorie. 
~~~
cies
He' s  t a l ki n g ab out  the "facto ry f a rmin g/an i ma l c r uelty  mach in e ", thus ethics.

You a re  respo nding  about "energ y use", th i s environm enta l  i m pact.

Two sep arate  reasons t o  go vega n. (b esides t he issues o f pollut ion , s car cit y an d health-impa c t )

~ ~~ 
anaraz elI alsoref ere nce d t he  cruelty?  The poi nt  b ei ng  th at to get thesa meam oun t ofe nergyout o f mi lk /e g g b ased pr o du c t s yo u' ll  nee d f ew er an imal s  th an formeat
base d p r oduc ti on  (where  animals have  t o grow for  m ult iple m o n ths to y ears just
to be slaught e red). W hic h mea ns f ewer anim als  willsuf f er tofeed o ne pe rs on. I t's o b v io usl ypossible t o red uce f ur ther .

~~~cies
Hard to compa r e t he cruelty in vol vedi n  b ree d in g -fo r- s lau g h ter, breeding-f or-
milkin g- t he n-slaughte r  or  b reeding -for-eg g-lay i ng-then -slaughte r. Or toco mpar e suf fering ina chicke n with th e  suff e ri ng of  acow. H ow  ma ny ch icks
c o nve rt to  one c ow ?

Bot tom l in e is veg an, period. And even th at lin e isblu rry if yo u z o omin
enough  :)
~~~
optim usc lim b
Jus t i n  case  you ch eck yourrepl i es now an d  t hen -  y es, you get w h atI was 
sa y ing.
Onecan opt out of me a t and meat pro duct s for  re a sons  o f
...

2) Egg_protein. Either_full eggs, or just_whites, or_powder_egg protein.

3)_Peas,_Beans, Peanut Butter_are good protein_sources as well... but_you can
really eat_so_much in a day

4) Avoid soy, (for many reasons, but mainly because it is_thought_to be
andrenogenic).

If_you_can't_eat either milk or egg_based products and I think_you are_a bit
out of luck. Yes, there are people_that_manage fine with_(there even vegan
bodybuilders), but it really becomes tough diet_wise as it is very
restrictive....

~~~
optimusclimb
It seems_pointless to me_when_people_become "vegetarian" to opt_out of the
factory farming/animal cruelty machine...only_to eat massive amounts of eggs
and_dairy.

~~~
anarazel
It's a question of degree. One hundred_gram of meat vs 200g of_yoghurt implies
a significantly higher energy_use and_on average is more crucial_pretty
calorie.

~~~
cies
He's talking about_the "factory_farming/animal cruelty machine",_thus ethics.

You are responding about "energy_use", this environmental_impact.

Two separate reasons to go vegan._(besides_the issues of_pollution,_scarcity
and_health-impact)

~~~
anarazel
I also_referenced the cruelty?_The_point being_that_to get the same amount of
energy_out_of milk/egg based products you'll need fewer_animals than for meat
based_production_(where animals have to_grow for multiple months to_years just
to be slaughtered). Which means_fewer animals_will suffer_to feed one person.
It's obviously possible to reduce further.

~~~
cies
Hard to compare_the cruelty involved in breeding-for-slaughter, breeding-for-
milking-then-slaughter_or breeding-for-egg-laying-then-slaughter. Or to
compare_suffering in_a_chicken with the_suffering_of a_cow. How many chicks
convert to one cow?

Bottom_line is_vegan, period. And even that line_is blurry if you_zoom_in
enough :)

~~~
optimusclimb
Just in case you check_your replies now and then -_yes, you get what I_was
saying.

One_can_opt out of meat and_meat products for reasons of