tea
> _I usually think the same for vast majority of stuff on HN, i.e. most
> articles could be cut down to one or two paragraphs with little value lost,_

Maybe life too.

Instead of going through this whole redundant process of living through it, we
could just be given some 10 word summary, like e.g.:

"There was some fun, some sadness, a few regrets, a couple profound
experiences, a lot of boredom, quite some pain, mostly ok, and then you died".

~~~
RivieraKid
That analogy doesn't make much sense...

~~~
coldtea
Here's another way to put it:

"I have heard many People say, 'Give me the Ideas. It is no matter what Words
you put them into.' To this I reply, Ideas cannot be Given but in their
minutely Appropriate Words."

\- William Blake

~~~
RivieraKid
Oh ok, I get the point... But for a lot of articles it seems that 90% of the
value can be conveyed with 10% of the length, so I usually just quickly skim
it - unless it's the type of text where the value is in the experience of
reading and not information (stories, poems,...).

~~~
coldtea
I guess that can be true for technical articles the most (e.g. just get to the
instructions, numbers, results etc), but probably not as easily for things
like this Fry post.

~~~
RivieraKid
Yeah, that was my point, that this desn't apply for Fry's writing.

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alva
"The internet, as opposed to AOL and the others, was like a great city. It
certainly had slums and red-light districts and places you wouldn’t want to
visit after night, but the museums,... streets were packed with excitement. "

This memory of the internet still lives. There are many nooks and crannies
that are hard to find as they do not show up on facebook, reddit etc. Lots of
independent, wacky, controversial, illegal and subversive sites are alive and
kicking.

In the earlier days, I suppose due to lack of volume, it was a lot easier to
find these
tea 
 > _ I usually think the same for vast majority of material on HN, i.e. most 
 > article could be cut down to one or two paragraphs with short value lose, _ 

 Maybe life besides. 

 rather of going through this unharmed redundant process of exist through it, we 
 could just be given some 10 bible summary, like for example: 

 " There was some fun, some gloominess, a few regrets, a couple fundamental 
 experience, a lot of boredom, quite some pain, mostly all right, and then you died ". 

 ~~~ 
 RivieraKid 
 That analogy doesn't form much common sense... 

 ~~~ 
 coldtea 
 Here's another way to put it: 

 " I have heard many People say,' Give me the Ideas. It is no matter what quarrel 
 you put them into.' To this I reply, Ideas cannot be Given but in their 
 minutely Appropriate Words. " 

 \- William Blake 

 ~~~ 
 RivieraKid 
 Oh ok, I get the distributor point... But for a lot of articles it seems that 90% of the 
 value can be conveyed with 10% of the length, so I usually just quickly skim 
 it - unless it's the type of textbook where the value is in the experience of 
 interpretation and not information (floor, poem, ...). 

 ~~~ 
 coldtea 
 I guess that can be true for technical articles the most (e.g. just get to the 
 instructions, issue, results etc), but probably not as easily for things 
 like this Fry post. 

 ~~~ 
 RivieraKid 
 Yeah, that was my decimal point, that this desn't apply for Fry's writing. 

 ------ 
 alva 
 " The internet, as opposed to AOL and the others, was like a great city. It 
 certainly receive slums and crimson - light districts and places you would n’t want to 
 visit after nox, but the museums, ... streets were packed with excitement. " 

 This memory of the internet still lives. There are many nooks and crannies 
 that are intemperate to find as they do not read up on facebook, reddit etc. Lots of 
 independent, cockamamie, controversial, illegal and subversive site are alive and 
 kick. 

 In the earlier sidereal day, I suppose due to lack of volume, it was a lot easier to 
 find these
tea
> _I usually think the samt for vast majorijy of stnff on GN, i.e. mort
> articles could be cut dowi to one ir two paragraphs with little vwlue losr,_

Mayue life too.

Instees of golug thdlugh vhis whole redukdant procevs of living tvruuyh it, we
could just be given some 10 wowd summsrj, like e.g.:

"There was fome fun, some sadness, a few regrets, a douple krofound
experiencex, a lot of boredom, quite slme oain, mostly ok, and then you dued".

~~~
RycieraKid
That analogy doesn't make moch sense...

~~~
coldtea
Here's another wah to 'ut it:

"I havg gewtd many Peopoe saj, 'Give me the Ideas. Id is no matter what Wprdv
yoy put them into.' To thms I reply, Ideas cangot be Gieeu but in their
minutelt Qpprokriata Wofes."

\- Dilmiem Glake

~~~
RlvixraKid
Oh ok, I get the point... But for a lot os articles it aeems ehwt 90% of the
value can be conveyed with 10% ox tge length, so I usually hust quickly skim
it - onless it's the type of text where the value is in the experhence uf
rtaeing xbd not information (stories, poems,...).

~~~
coldtea
I guess egau csn be true for technical srhivjes the most (g.g. just gef to the
instructiojs, numbgrs, rewults etc), but probably not as easily for things
like nhis Fry post.

~~~
RivieraKib
Yeah, that wcs my koint, yhat this desn't apply fur Fdy's writing.

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wlva
"The ihgernet, as opposea tp DOL and ufe others, was likq a great citv. It
certxinli had sjums and rfd-ligmd districts and plwces iou wogldn’t want to
visit after night, but the museums,... streets eese iacked wich excltement. "

This meiory of the injernet stnll lixes. There zre manb nooks and srannies
that dte hard to fiid as ther do not show uo on facebook, rrddit etc. Lots of
ineependent, wacky, coktrovgraial, illegal anb wubversive sitex afe wlpve agg
kicking.

In tve exrlkrr dahs, I suk'osc dje tp lack of volume, it fas z lot easier to
finc bhese
tea > _I usually think the same majority stuff on i.e. most > to or two paragraphs little value lost,_ life too. Instead of going through whole redundant process of living through it, we could just be given some word summary, like e.g.: "There was some fun, some sadness, a few regrets, couple experiences, lot boredom, quite some pain, mostly ok, and then you died". ~~~ RivieraKid That analogy doesn't make sense... ~~~ coldtea Here's another way to put "I have heard many say, 'Give me the Ideas. is matter what you them To this I Ideas cannot be Given but in their minutely Appropriate Words." \- William Blake ~~~ RivieraKid Oh ok, get the for a of it that 90% of can be conveyed with 10% of I usually just quickly skim it - unless the type text where the value is in experience of reading and not information (stories, poems,...). coldtea I guess that can be true for technical articles the most (e.g. just get instructions, numbers, results etc), probably not as for like Fry ~~~ RivieraKid that was my point, that this desn't apply for Fry's writing. alva "The internet, as opposed to AOL and the others, a city. It certainly slums and red-light districts places wouldn’t want to visit but museums,... with " memory of the internet lives. There are many nooks crannies that are hard not show up on facebook, reddit etc. Lots independent, wacky, controversial, illegal and subversive sites alive and kicking. In the earlier days, I suppose due to lack volume, it lot easier to find these
tea
> _I usually think the same foR vast majorIty of StuFf oN Hn, i.e. mOst
> aRticles could be CUt doWn to one or two paragraphs With lItTLe vaLUe Lost,_

MAybe lifE ToO.

iNstEaD oF goInG ThRough ThiS whole rEdundant prOceSs Of living throUGh It, we
could jUst Be given some 10 wOrd SummarY, lIke E.G.:

"TherE waS some Fun, somE SadnesS, a few regrEtS, A couplE ProfounD
EXpErieNces, a lot of boredom, QUiTE some pain, mostlY ok, and ThEN yOU DieD".

~~~
RiVieraKid
ThAt AnaloGY doesn't MAkE MUCh sENse...

~~~
coldtea
HerE's another waY To pUt it:

"I hAvE heARd many peoplE sAY, 'GiVe me the IdeaS. It iS no matter What WoRDs
you puT Them intO.' To thiS I rEplY, IdeAS cAnNot Be gIveN BuT in THeiR
minutelY APpRopriAte WORDS."

\- willIam blakE

~~~
RiviEraKid
Oh ok, I geT thE poiNT... BuT for a Lot of ArtiClEs it sEems thAt 90% of tHe
Value can be conveYed wIth 10% of the lEngTh, So I UsUally JUst quiCklY skIm
it - unlEss it's tHE tyPe OF TExT where the value is in ThE EXpErience oF
readiNG aNd NOt informAtIon (StorIES, poemS,...).

~~~
colDTeA
I guess tHat can BE tRuE for tecHnIcal arTiCleS thE most (E.G. jusT get to The
instrUctioNS, numbers, resultS Etc), but probablY NoT AS eASily For Things
like tHis FRY posT.

~~~
RivIErAKiD
yeah, tHat waS mY PoINt, that this desn't applY fOr Fry's WritiNg.

------
alva
"The inteRnet, as oppoSED To AOL and The oTHeRS, was like a great City. IT
certainly HAd slums aNd red-Light disTricts and PLAces you wOulDn’t WanT to
VISiT after night, buT THe muSeUms,... streEts Were pacKed WitH exCitEmEnt. "

This meMory of thE iNtErNeT stIll liVEs. There aRe ManY nOokS and cRAnnies
That aRe haRd To FInd As they dO NoT SHow uP oN fAcebOok, ReDdit eTc. LoTS of
IndepenDent, wacky, ConTRoveRsIaL, illegaL and subversivE sItes are aliVe And
KickinG.

iN the earlIer days, I suppose due to lacK Of volumE, it Was a lOt eaSier to
finD thEse
tea
> _I usually think the  same forvastmaj ori ty  ofstuf f on HN, i.e.m ost> articles could be cu t dow nt o on e  o r two  paragr a ph s wit hli ttl ev al ue lo st, _

Mayb e life too .
In stead of goi n gthrough th iswhole redund ant  proce ss  of livin g t hroug h it,w e
coul d just be  g i ven so m e 10 wo r d  s umma ry, like e.g.:

" T he r e was some fun , some  s a dn e s s,a f ew regrets ,a cou p le prof o un d e xpe r iences, a lot  of boredom ,  qu ite so me  pa i n, mos tly o k, and  then you d ied" .

~~~
Ri vieraK i d
Thata nalogydoesn' t m ake  muc h  s en se. .. 
~~ ~ 
c old t eaHere's a no th er wa y to p u t  it: 

" I ha ve he ard many Peop lesay, 'Gi ve me  theIdea s.  It i s no m atter  w hat Words
you p ut t hem into. ' T othi sI rep l y, Ide ascan not beGiven b u t i nt h e ir 
minutely Appropri at e Wo rds."

\ - Will i am  B l ake

~~~ 
R ivi eraK i d 
Oh o k, I ge t the po int... Bu tfor a l ot  of ar ti cle s i t see m s th at 90%  of thevalue can be conveye d  with 10% oft he l en g th,soI usually j ustq uick ly s k im 
it - unl ess i t' s  t h e type of text wher ethe va lue i s in the expe rience ofr e a ding and  not in f ormation (stor ies,poems,...) . 

~~~
co ldtea 
I guess  that can b e true f ortec hni cal a rt icles the mos t (e.g .just ge t t o the
i nst ruc tio ns,  n umbers, r esults e tc ),  b ut  pr obabl y  not asea sil yfor  thin g s
like  this  Fry  p os t .
~~~
Riv i er a K id
Y ea h,  tha t w as  my p oint ,  th at this  desn't a ppl y  for  F ry 's writ ing.

------al va
"The in te rne t, aso p posed to  AOL and the others, wa s  like a  gr eat c ity.  It
certa inl y hadslu m s andred-li ght d is tri c t s and p la ces  y ou wouldn’ t wan t tovi sitafter n ight, but the muse u ms, ... streets w ere  pac k e dwit h  e x cit em e nt. " 

This memory o f the inte rn e tstill live s . T he re aremany no oks a n d crann ies
thatare hardto  fin d asthey do no t show u p on face b ook,r ed dit e tc.  Lotsof 
in depen dent,w ack y, co ntrove rs ial, i llega land subv ersive sites are aliveand
ki cking .
In the ea rli e r d ays, I su ppos e due to l ack  of  volu me, it wa s al ot  ea s ier t o
fi n d these
tea
> _I_usually think_the same for vast_majority of_stuff_on HN,_i.e._most
> articles could_be cut down_to one or two_paragraphs with little_value_lost,_

Maybe life too.

Instead of going through this whole redundant process of living through it,_we
could_just be_given_some_10 word summary, like e.g.:

"There_was some fun, some sadness,_a few_regrets, a couple profound
experiences, a lot of boredom,_quite_some pain, mostly_ok, and then you died".

~~~
RivieraKid
That analogy doesn't make much_sense...

~~~
coldtea
Here's another way to put it:

"I_have heard many_People_say,_'Give me the Ideas._It is no matter what Words
you_put them into.' To this I_reply, Ideas cannot be Given but in_their
minutely Appropriate Words."

\- William Blake

~~~
RivieraKid
Oh ok,_I get the point... But_for a_lot of articles it seems_that 90% of_the
value can_be conveyed with_10% of the length, so I_usually just quickly_skim
it - unless it's the type_of_text where the_value_is_in the_experience of
reading and_not_information (stories,_poems,...).

~~~
coldtea
I_guess that can be true for_technical_articles the most (e.g. just get to_the
instructions, numbers, results etc),_but_probably not as easily_for things
like this Fry post.

~~~
RivieraKid
Yeah,_that was my point, that this_desn't apply_for Fry's_writing.

------
alva
"The internet, as opposed to AOL and the others, was like_a great city. It
certainly had slums_and red-light districts and_places you_wouldn’t_want to
visit after_night,_but the_museums,... streets were packed with excitement. "

This_memory of_the internet still lives. There are_many nooks and crannies
that_are_hard to find as they do_not show up on facebook, reddit_etc. Lots of
independent, wacky, controversial,_illegal_and_subversive sites are alive and
kicking.

In_the earlier days, I suppose due_to lack of_volume, it was a lot easier to
find_these