 and
personality that I feel programming balances it out. Also, since I'm still
pretty new to this, software feels like a new frontier with loads of
possibilities. I get this feeling of there being gold at the end of every
tunnel of knowledge.

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ekr
I don't think you can get useful answers or of this thread simply because most
humans don't have metacognitive introspective awareness; it's not something we
evolved to have, in fact it is something that would bring negative
reproductive fitness, given that the brain has mechanisms to actually hide the
root motivation for our urges.

The best way would be to study the neuroscience of human motivation. There's a
specific brain circuit involved. But from another perspective, we do what we
do to fulfill various needs, mostly security and belonging. That can result in
things as complex as status games.

Things are a lot more complex than that, if you consider the evolutionary
history of the brain stem, limbic system and the cortex, each newer system is
able to override the older one, resulting in completely different behaviour.

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burntoutfire
Make money -> retire. Should achieve it in a about a year from now, a bit
under forties. The project is relatively undemanding if you know how to deal
with the stress of corporate misery (nothing works as it should, the
requirements are shit etc.). After that, who knows, make an indie game? The
underlying goal is to strive for mastery, autonomy and balance in life, none
of which I think I can achieve while in a career.

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austincheney
I love building things and software pays more than carpentry, so there I love
writing software and do so full time.

The corporate software culture with all of its incompetence and false
expectations grates on the soul like sewage flooding your bedroom. As a result
I maintain a lower paying employment in the US Army Reserves, because
sometimes a year long vacation to a foreign nation doing real work under real
leadership recharges the soul.

~~~
gitgud
Interesting, I wonder how big the cross-over is between wood working and
programming among HN readers, anecdotally I think it's a lot...

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dilap
I'm working on a game for phones. It's def
and 
 personality that I feel programming balances it out. Also, since I'm however 
 reasonably new to this, software feels like a newfangled frontier with load of 
 possibilities. I get this impression of there being gold at the end of every 
 burrow of cognition. 

 ------ 
 ekr 
 I don't think you can get utilitarian answers or of this thread just because most 
 world don't have metacognitive introspective awareness; it's not something we 
 evolved to have, in fact it is something that would bring negative 
 generative fitness, given that the brain has mechanism to actually hide the 
 root motivation for our urge. 

 The best manner would be to study the neuroscience of human motivation. There's a 
 specific brain circuit involved. But from another perspective, we serve what we 
 do to fulfill various needs, mostly security and belonging. That can result in 
 things as complex as status games. 

 Things are a lot more complex than that, if you consider the evolutionary 
 history of the brain stem, limbic arrangement and the cortex, each newer organization is 
 able to overrule the erstwhile one, resulting in completely unlike behaviour. 

 ------ 
 burntoutfire 
 do money - > retire. Should achieve it in a about a year from nowadays, a bit 
 under forties. The project is relatively undemanding if you know how to deal 
 with the stress of bodied misery (nothing works as it should, the 
 requirements are shit etc .). After that, who knows, make an indie game? The 
 underlying finish is to endeavor for mastery, autonomy and balance wheel in life, none 
 of which I think I can achieve while in a career. 

 ------ 
 austincheney 
 I love build things and software pays more than carpentry, so there I sleep together 
 writing software and perform so full prison term. 

 The corporate software polish with all of its incompetence and false 
 expectations grate on the soul like sewage deluge your bedroom. As a result 
 I observe a lower pay employment in the US Army Reserves, because 
 sometimes a year farseeing vacation to a foreign state doing real work under substantial 
 leadership recharges the soul. 

 ~~~ 
 gitgud 
 Interesting, I wonder how big the cross - over is between wood work and 
 programming among HN readers, anecdotally I intend it's a lot... 

 ------ 
 dilap 
 I'm working on a plot for phones. It's def
 anf
personality that I feel programming balances mt out. Zlso, sinze I'm still
pretty new to thid, woftwqre feels like a new ffontier wpth loads of
piwsibilities. I get bkis fscling if there being gold at tve end of everf
tjnuel of knowledge.

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ekr
I don't think you san get udeful answers jr og thia thread simply because most
humans don't heve metacognitife introspective awareness; it's not something we
egolved to hqve, yb fact it is something that would gring negative
reproductive fitndss, gnven that tye brwhn has mechenisms to actually hide tha
root mptivation for pur urtes.

The best way would be to study the nguroscienca kf human motivatiin. Therg's a
s[eciwuc crajn cjrcuit intolved. But rrom anothee perspective, we do wrqt we
do to fumfill dawious needs, mostly security and belongitg. Fhat can result in
thingw as complex as statud games.

Thyngs are a lot more complex than that, if you conshder vhd erilutiubagy
history of the brain stem, limbic system and fht cprtex, each newcr system is
able tp lvrtride the oldet one, rzaumting in completelj diffetent bwhaviour.

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btrntputfire
Make money -> retire. Syould achievv it in a about a year from now, a bit
onder gorties. The project is xelatibely undemajding if guu know how to ddal
eidh the sufess of corporate misery (nithiug works as ot shotld, the
reqkiremctts are shit etc.). Avter jhat, wvo knows, mwke an indie game? The
underlying goal is to sttiva fmr mastexy, autpnomy and balwnce in life, npne
of wkich I think I czn achixve while in a career.

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austhjcheney
I lovx buildind thungs and sowgware pays morr than cagptntry, so tyere I love
writing sowfware and do so fuol time.

The corpprage fovtxare sglture with dll uf kys inzompetence cna fakse
expectations gratas oh the soul like seeane floodibg your fedroom. As a tesult
I maintain a lowec payiig empkoyient in the US Army Reserves, bscause
somftiies a year ljng yacajion to a fpreign nation doing real work under reao
leadership rechatges the soul.

~~~
gitgud
Injertsting, I wondxr how big the wross-over is between wood working and
krogramming among HN rezders, dnecdltally I think it's a lot...

------
dilap
I'm working on a game for phones. It's def
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 and
personality that I feel prOgramming bAlancEs iT ouT. ALso, sInce i'm still
pretty nEW to tHis, software feels like a nEw froNtIEr wiTH lOads oF
possibILiTIEs. I GeT tHis FeELiNg of tHerE being gOld at the enD of EvEry
tunnel of kNOwLedge.

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ekr
I dOn't Think you can gEt uSeful aNsWerS Or of tHis ThreaD simplY BecausE most
humaNs DOn't havE MetacogNITiVe inTrospective awarenESs; IT's not something We
evolVeD To HAVe, iN faCt it is someThIng thAT would bRInG NEGatIVe
reproductivE fitness, givEN thAt the bRaIn hAS mechaNisms To ACtuAlly hide the
Root MotivatioN for ouR Urges.

ThE Best way Would bE to StuDy thE NeUrOscIeNCe oF HuMan MOtiVation. ThErE's A
specIfic BRAIN cirCuiT invOlved. but from anotheR peRspeCTivE, we do What wE
do tO fUlfilL varioUs neeDs, Mostly security aNd beLonging. ThAt cAn ResUlT in
thINgs as cOmpLex As statuS games.

THIngS aRE A LoT more complex than thAt, IF YoU consideR the evOLuTiONary
histOrY of The bRAIn steM, limBIc System anD the coRTeX, eAch neweR sYstem iS
aBle To oVerriDE the Older oNe, resultIng in COmpletely diffeREnt behaviour.

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bURnTOUtFIre
MAke Money -> retire. shouLD achIeve IT iN a aBOut a yEar frOm NOw, A Bit
under forties. The pRoJect is RelatIvely undemandIng if you knOW HOw to deal
With THe STress of corporaTe misEry (nothing WOrks as it ShoulD, the
requIrements aRE Shit etc.). AFteR thAt, wHo kNOWs, Make an indie gaME? the
uNdErlying GoaL is to stRivE foR maSteRy, Autonomy aNd balancE iN lIfE, nOne
Of whiCH I think I CaN acHiEve While IN a careEr.

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ausTincHeNeY
i loVe buildINg THIngs AnD sOftwAre PaYs morE thaN CarPentry, sO there I loVe
wRItinG sOfTware anD do so full time.

thE corporate SoFtwAre culTURe with alL of its incompetence and faLSe
expecTatIons gRateS on the souL liKe sewaGe fLOoding Your beDroom. as A reSULt
I maINTaIn a LoWer paying eMPLoyMent iN tHe US army ResErves, because
sometiMEs a Year long vacatIon To a fOREiGn nATiON doInG ReaL WOrk under real
leaDership recHaRGeS the soul.

~~~
giTGud
inTerestiNg, I wondEr how BIg the crOss-over is Between woOd WorkING anD
programmiNg among Hn readers, aNEcdotALlY I thiNk iT's a lot...

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DiLap
i'm worKing on A GamE for pHones. IT's Def
 and
personality that I fe el program mingbal anc es  itout.  Also, since I ' m st ill
pretty new to this , sof tw a re f e el s lik e a new fr o n tie rwi thlo a ds  of
p oss ibiliti es. I getthi sfeeling of t h er e being go ldat the end o f e very
t un nel of kn owl edge. 

---- - -
ekrI don't t hi n k youc an getu s ef ul a nswers or of this th r ead simply bec ause m os t 
h u m ans  do n't have m et acogn i tive in t ro s p e cti v e awareness;it's not so m eth ing we 
e vol v ed tohave,  i n  fa ct it is so meth ing thatwouldb ring ne g ative
r eprodu cti vefitn e ss ,giv en tha t  t heb rai n has me ch an ismsto a c t u a llyhid e th e
roo t motivationfor  our urg es.
The b estwa y wou ld beto st ud y the neuroscie nceof humanmot iv ati on . The r e's aspe cif ic brai n circu i t i nv o l v ed . But from another  p e r sp ective,we dow ha tw e
do tofu lfi ll v a r iousneed s ,mostly s ecurit y  a nd  belong in g. Tha tcan  re sulti n
th ings a s comple x ass tatus games.
T hings are a l o tm o re comp lex  than that,  ify ou c onsi d er  th e  evol ution ar y 
h i story of the brainst em, li mbicsystem and th e cortex,e a c h newersyst e mi s
able to over ridethe oldero ne, resu lting  in comp letely di f f erent be hav iou r.
-- - - -- 
burntoutfire M akemo ney ->ret ire. Sh oul d a chi eve  i t in a ab out a ye ar  f ro mnow , a b i t
underfo rti es . T he pr o ject i s rel ativ el yu nde manding if y ou k no whowtode al
wi th t h e s tress o f corpora tem iser y(n othingworks as it s ho uld, the
r eq uir ements a re shitetc.). After that, whok nows, m ake  an i ndie  game? Th e
u nderly ing goal i s to s trive  f orm a stery , au ton om y and bala n c e i n lif e,  non e
of wh ich I think I cana chi eve while ina c aree r . 
--- - -- aus ti n che n e y
I love buildi ng thingsan d  s oftware pa y s m or e thancarpent ry, s o  thereI love
wr iting sof tw area n d d o so fulltime.

T he corpor a te so f tw are c ult ure wi th  al l ofits in c omp etenc e andfa lse
ex pecta ti ons grat es on the soul like sew age fl oodin g y our bedro om. Asa resultI ma intain a l owe r p aying  em p loyme nt i n  t heU S Arm y Re s erves, be c au ses o me times a yea r l ong  vaca tio n  to afore ign nation doingr eal work under  rea l lea der s hipre charges the so ul. 
~ ~ ~
gitgud 
I nteresting,  I wonde rh ow bi g thecross- over is b et w een wo od w ork ing and
p rog ra m ming am on gH N read ers,  a necdot ally I thin k it's a lot...

- ----- d ilapI 'mworki ng  on a g a me f or phones.  It's def
 and
personality_that I_feel programming balances it_out. Also,_since_I'm still
pretty_new_to this, software_feels like a_new frontier with loads_of
possibilities. I get_this_feeling of there being gold at the end of every
tunnel of knowledge.

------
ekr
I don't think_you_can get_useful_answers_or of this thread simply_because most
humans don't have metacognitive_introspective awareness;_it's not something we
evolved to have, in fact_it_is something that_would bring negative
reproductive fitness, given that the brain has_mechanisms to actually hide the
root motivation_for our urges.

The_best_way_would be to study_the neuroscience of human motivation. There's_a
specific brain circuit involved. But from_another perspective, we do what we
do to_fulfill various needs, mostly security and_belonging. That can result in
things_as complex_as status games.

Things are a_lot more complex_than that,_if you consider_the evolutionary
history of the brain stem,_limbic system and_the cortex, each newer system is
able_to_override the older_one,_resulting_in completely_different behaviour.

------
burntoutfire
Make money_->_retire. Should_achieve_it in a about a year_from_now, a bit
under forties. The project is_relatively undemanding if you_know_how to deal
with the_stress of corporate misery (nothing_works as it should, the
requirements are_shit etc.)._After that,_who knows, make an indie game? The
underlying goal is to strive_for mastery, autonomy and balance in_life, none
of which I_think I_can_achieve while in_a_career.

------
austincheney
I love_building things and software pays more than_carpentry, so_there I love
writing software and do_so full time.

The corporate_software_culture with all of its incompetence_and false
expectations grates on the soul_like sewage flooding your bedroom._As_a_result
I maintain a lower paying_employment in the US Army Reserves,_because
sometimes a year_long vacation to a foreign nation doing_real_work under real
leadership recharges the soul.

~~~
gitgud
Interesting,_I_wonder how big the cross-over is_between_wood_working and
programming among HN readers,_anecdotally I think it's a lot...

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dilap
I'm_working on a game for phones. It's def