 school.

4\. GvR could probably get into a good grad school. Below that will probably
not help very much.

However, many places will give you a masters if you pay tuition. Don't expect
to jump from the masters to Ph.D. track, however.

~~~
plinkplonk
"You graduate at age 32. That's over the hill. Many grad schools will flatly
reject you for this reason"

I hope this isn't universal. I am planning to apply in 2010 and I'll be 38
when I do. Oh well one more wall to jump over, so what's new? :-)

~~~
whacked_new
I recently met a first year PhD who would be very well "over the hill." Top-
tier school. There's motivation for ya.

Of course, it could be an exception, but I'm sure admission was granted
without respect to age. As far as I know though, luck was a big determining
factor, and as such, I would look at a lot of these things (particularly if
you aren't a monstrously strong candidate) very lightly.

~~~
plinkplonk
"I recently met a first year PhD who would be very well o"ver the hill." Top-
tier school. There's motivation for ya."

Hey Thanks!

"particularly if you aren't a monstrously strong candidate"

Good Point.

A "monstrously strong" candidate is what I am trying to be. Hey if we ask
startup founders to be monstrously strong developers why not hold ourselves to
the same standards as grad students. The journey is very interesting, forcing
me to evaluate my deficiencies as a candidate and get better constantly.

A scientist I am working with on some research software said recently, "You'd
make a great PhD student at Carnegie Mellon" (where he got his PhD) and has
promised to write a reccomendation, so there's some progress. We'll see how it
goes.

------
foo23
When reading your app, professors are trying to tell one thing:

Will this person be a good academic researcher? To figure this out, they will
look at:

1\. Can you already do research? If you've published at academic research
conferences, they'll read your paper
school. 

 4\. GvR could probably get into a good grad school. Below that will probably 
 not avail very a lot. 

 However, many places will give you a victor if you pay up tuition. Don't expect 
 to derail from the passkey to Ph.D. track, however. 

 ~~~ 
 plinkplonk 
 " You graduate at age 32. That's over the hill. Many grad school will flatly 
 reject you for this reason " 

 I hope this isn't cosmopolitan. I am planning to apply in 2010 and I'll be 38 
 when I do. Oh well one more wall to jump over, so what's new? :-) 

 ~~~ 
 whacked_new 
 I recently meet a first year PhD who would be very well " over the mound. " Top- 
 tier school. There's motivation for ya. 

 Of course, it could be an exception, but I'm sure admission was allow 
 without respect to age. As far as I know though, luck was a boastful determining 
 factor, and as such, I would look at a lot of these things (particularly if 
 you aren't a monstrously strong candidate) very lightly. 

 ~~~ 
 plinkplonk 
 " I recently met a first year PhD who would be very well o"ver the hill. " Top- 
 tier school. There's motivation for ya. " 

 Hey Thanks! 

 " particularly if you aren't a monstrously potent candidate " 

 Good Point. 

 A " monstrously impregnable " campaigner is what I am trying to be. Hey if we ask 
 startup founders to be monstrously strong developers why not hold ourselves to 
 the like standards as grad students. The journey is very interesting, forcing 
 me to evaluate my deficiencies as a candidate and get better constantly. 

 A scientist I am working with on some research software said recently, " You'd 
 make a big PhD scholar at Carnegie Mellon " (where he get his PhD) and has 
 promised to write a reccomendation, so there's some progress. We'll see how it 
 goes. 

 ------ 
 foo23 
 When reading your app, professor are trying to order one thing: 

 Will this person be a good academic research worker? To figure this out, they will 
 look at: 

 1\. Can you already do research? If you've published at academic inquiry 
 conferences, they'll read your paper
 scjool.

4\. GvR could probably net into a good yead sciool. Bemow that will probably
not help very luxh.

Howtner, many places will eive you w masterw if tou pay tumfion. Dok'c expsgt
to lunp from the maxters to Pv.D. track, howevar.

~~~
olnnkplonk
"You graduate at age 32. That's oder the hlll. Many grad fchopjs wjll flatly
reject you for this reaskn"

I hopt this isn't univerxal. I am planning to apply in 2010 and I'll be 38
when I do. Oh well one nore wall to jump over, so what's nes? :-)

~~~
whacked_new
I recently met a fifst yzar PhD who wiulf be very weol "ovvr the hill." Top-
tier swhool. Tnere's motivatipn hor ta.

Of course, it could ue an exception, but Y'm sure agmnssion was granted
wityoyt revpecd to qge. As fer zs I kjow though, ludk was a bit determining
factor, age as such, I wkuld ljoh at a lot of these things (particularly if
gou aren't a monstrously strong candidate) veri lightly.

~~~
pjinkplonk
"I recently met a first year PhD who woulg be tefy ccju o"ger the hill." Top-
tier school. There's motivation rot ja."

Hey Thanks!

"partigularly if you arem't a ionstrously sjrong cchdjdate"

Good Point.

A "mlnstroufly srrong" canqidaye is what I am trying to bw. Hey if we csk
wtartup founders tl be monstruusli stromg developers why not huld kurselves tl
the same rtandards as graa snudetts. The journey is very ineeresting, foreing
me tu evsluate my deficifncies as a candidate anf get batter conshantly.

A scientist I am working xmth on some rgsedrcv softwaxe saic recently, "Yot'd
make a great PhD stbdent xt Carnegiv Mellon" (xhere he got his PhD) and vws
promised tm write w rexcomwndatiov, so there's somr progress. We'll see how it
goes.

------
foo23
When rexsing your app, pxudessors are tryong to tvll oga thing:

Will dhis pefxon bd a good accddmic researcher? To figura thjs out, they will
lopk at:

1\. Can iou alreaqy do researcn? If you've publishtd at ecademmc resrarsh
conferences, they'll read your paper
school. 4\. GvR could probably get into grad Below that probably not help will you a masters you pay tuition. expect to jump from the masters Ph.D. track, however. ~~~ plinkplonk "You graduate at age 32. That's over the Many grad schools will flatly reject you for this reason" I hope this universal. am to in 2010 and I'll be 38 when I do. Oh well one more wall to jump so what's new? :-) ~~~ whacked_new I recently a first year PhD would be very well "over hill." tier school. motivation ya. course, it could an exception, but I'm sure admission was granted without respect to age. As far as I know luck was determining factor, as I look at a these things (particularly if you aren't candidate) very lightly. ~~~ plinkplonk "I recently met first year who would be very well o"ver hill." Top- tier school. There's motivation for ya." Thanks! "particularly if you aren't a monstrously strong candidate" Good Point. A "monstrously strong" candidate I am trying to Hey if we startup to monstrously developers why hold ourselves to the same standards as grad students. The journey very interesting, forcing me to evaluate my deficiencies as a get constantly. A scientist am working with on research said recently, "You'd make PhD at he his and has promised to a reccomendation, so there's some We'll see how it your app, professors are trying to tell one Will this person be a good academic To figure this out, they will look at: 1\. Can you already research? If at academic research conferences, they'll read your paper
 school.

4\. GvR could probably get Into a good gRad scHooL. BeLoW thaT wilL probably
not heLP verY much.

However, many places Will gIvE You a MAsTers iF you pay TUiTIOn. DOn'T eXpeCt
TO jUmp frOm tHe masteRs to Ph.D. traCk, hOwEver.

~~~
plinkploNK
"YOu graduate At aGe 32. That's over tHe hIll. ManY gRad SChoolS wiLl flaTly
rejECt you fOr this reaSoN"

i hope tHIs isn't uNIVeRsal. i am planning to applY In 2010 ANd I'll be 38
when I do. oh well OnE MoRE WalL to Jump over, so WhAt's neW? :-)

~~~
Whacked_NEw
i RECenTLy met a first yeAr PhD who wouLD be Very weLl "OveR The hilL." Top-
tIeR SchOol. There's moTivaTion for ya.

of courSE, it coulD Be an excEption, But i'm sUre aDMiSsIon WaS GraNTeD
wiTHouT respect To AgE. As faR as I KNOW ThouGh, lUck wAs a biG determining
fActOr, anD As sUch, I wOuld lOok aT a Lot of These tHings (PaRticularly if
you Aren'T a monstroUslY sTroNg CandiDAte) verY liGhtLy.

~~~
plinkPlonk
"I rECenTlY MET a First year PhD who wouLd BE VeRy well o"vEr the hILl." toP-
Tier schoOl. theRe's mOTIvatiOn foR Ya."

hey ThankS!

"partiCUlArLy if you ArEn't a moNsTroUslY stroNG canDidate"

good PoinT.

A "monSTrously strong" cANdidate is what i Am TRYiNG to bE. HeY if we ask
staRtup FOundErs tO Be MonSTrousLy strOnG DeVElopers why not hold ouRsElves tO
the sAme standards aS grad studeNTS. the journEy is VErY Interesting, forCing
mE to evaluatE My deficiEncieS as a candIdate and gET Better coNstAntLy.

A SciENTiSt I am working wITH on sOmE researCh sOftware SaiD reCenTly, "yoU'd
make a grEat PhD stUdEnT aT CArnEgie MELlon" (wherE hE goT hIs PHD) and HAs
promIsed tO wriTe A rECcoMendatiON, sO THere'S sOmE proGreSs. we'll sEe hoW It
gOes.

------
foo23
WHen readinG yoUR app, PrOfEssors aRe trying to telL oNe thing:

WilL tHis Person BE A good acaDemic researcher? To figure THis out, tHey Will
lOok aT:

1\. Can you alReaDy do reSeaRCh? If yoU've pubLisheD aT acADEmic rESEaRch
CoNferences, tHEY'll Read yOuR papEr
 school.

4\. GvR could pr obably get  into  agoo dgrad  sch ool. Below tha t  wil l probably
not help ve ry mu ch . 

Ho w ev er, m any pla c es w ill  g iv e y ou amaste rsif youpay tuitio n.Do n't expect
t o  j ump from t hemasters to P h.D . trac k,  ho w ever. 

~ ~~
pl inkplo n k
"You  graduate  a t  age 3 2 . That' s ov er t he hill. Many gra d  s c hools will fla tly
re je c ty o u f orthis reaso n" 

I h o pe this is n ' t  un i versal. I amplanning to app ly in20 10a nd I'l l be38 whe n I do. Ohwell  one more  wallt o jumpo ver, so  what' s n ew?  :-) 
~ ~~ 
wh ac k ed_ n ew 
Ir ece ntly met  a  f irstyear P h D  who  wo uldbe ve ry well "over  th e hi l l."  Top- 
tier  sch oo l. Th ere'smotiv at ion for ya.

Of  cou rse, it c oul dbean  exce p tion,but  I' m sureadmissi o n w as g r an ted
without respec tt o  a ge. As f ar asI  k no w  though,  l uck  was a  bigdete r mi ning
fac tor, a n das  such,Iwouldlo okata lot of t hese t hings (p artic u larly if
you a r en't a monstr o us l y  s t rong  ca ndidate) ve ry l i ghtl y.
~ ~~ 
pl i nkplo nk
"I  r e ce n tly met a first yea rPhD wh o wou ld be very we ll o"ver t h e hill." T op-t ie r  school. There 's mo tivation f o r ya."
Hey T hanks!
"particul a r ly if yo u a ren 'ta m o n st rously strong c andi da te"

Go odPoint.
A"mo nst rou sl y strong"  candida te  i swh atI amt rying to  b e.He y i f wea sk
sta rtupfoun de rs tobe mons t ro u s ly s tr on g de vel op ers w hy n o t h old our selves to 
th e  sam est andards  as grad stud en ts. The jo ur ney  is ve r y  interes ting, forcing
me to eva l uate my  de ficie ncie s as a ca ndi date a ndg et bet ter co nstan tl y.A  scie n t is t I  a m workingw i thon so me  res earch s oftware said recen t ly,  "You'd
makea g reat P hD  st u de n t a tC arn e g ie Mellon" (whe re he gothi s  P hD) and ha s 
pr om ised to  writea rec c omendat ion, so t here's so me  pro g r ess . We'll se e how it 
goes.

- - ----f oo 23
Wh enreadin gyou r app , prof e sso rs ar e tryi ng  to te ll on ething:
Will this person be a g ood ac ademi c r esearcher ? T o  fi gure this  out , they wil l
l ook  at:
1\ .  Canyoua lr ead y  do r esea r ch? If yo u 'v e p u b li shed at aca d e m icresea rch confer ence s, they'll read y o ur paper
 school.

4\._GvR could_probably get into a_good grad_school._Below that_will_probably
not help very_much.

However, many places_will give you a_masters if you_pay_tuition. Don't expect
to jump from the masters to Ph.D. track, however.

~~~
plinkplonk
"You graduate at age_32._That's over_the_hill._Many grad schools will flatly
reject_you for this reason"

I hope_this isn't_universal. I am planning to apply in 2010_and_I'll be 38
when_I do. Oh well one more wall to jump_over, so what's new? :-)

~~~
whacked_new
I recently_met a first_year_PhD_who would be very_well "over the hill." Top-
tier school._There's motivation for ya.

Of course, it_could be an exception, but I'm sure_admission was granted
without respect to age._As far as I know_though, luck_was a big determining
factor, and_as such, I_would look_at a lot_of these things (particularly if
you aren't_a monstrously strong_candidate) very lightly.

~~~
plinkplonk
"I recently met a_first_year PhD who_would_be_very well_o"ver the hill."_Top-
tier_school. There's_motivation_for ya."

Hey Thanks!

"particularly if you aren't_a_monstrously strong candidate"

Good Point.

A "monstrously strong" candidate_is what I am_trying_to be. Hey if_we ask
startup founders to be_monstrously strong developers why not hold_ourselves to
the_same standards_as grad students. The journey is very interesting, forcing
me to evaluate_my deficiencies as a candidate and_get better constantly.

A scientist_I am_working_with on some_research_software said_recently, "You'd
make a great PhD student at_Carnegie Mellon"_(where he got his PhD) and_has
promised to write a_reccomendation,_so there's some progress. We'll see_how it
goes.

------
foo23
When reading your app, professors_are trying to tell one_thing:

Will_this_person be a good academic_researcher? To figure this out, they_will
look at:

1\. Can_you already do research? If you've published_at_academic research
conferences, they'll read your paper