

~~~
manmal
Sure, I get that. Grandparent mentioned fairness as driving factor though.

~~~
Ericson2314
Ah yes should not have forgotten redundancy being good. Fairness is obvious:
cost of procedures, risk of side effects, time spent in operation, etc is born
by both parties.

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elastic_church
> Stories like that encourage Guha to persist with the project, he said, even
> though patents on his invention have long since expired and he won’t see any
> personal financial gain even if it takes off worldwide.

Hm, in America you can get a patent term extension due to regulatory delays in
bringing a product to market at other agencies, such as the FDA

Does that not exist in India?

------
ams6110
The reason male contraceptives don't get a lot of traction is that men don't
get pregnant.

~~~
cheez
Nope, that is not the reason.

The reason is that they don't know it exists. Condoms are OK, but for that
drunken one night stand, not necessarily good enough. Female birth control has
the problem that you have to trust your partner (spoiler: not everyone is
trustworthy.)

When my son has his first girlfriend and if it is getting serious, I would get
this done for him if it was available.

------
jlebrech
I thought it was going to be a pill, we already have vasectomies.

~~~
aianus
They will not give you a vasectomy in the US as a young childless man.
Something about 'changing your mind later'. It's very patronizing.

~~~
cr0sh
Definitely patronizing!

Not only that, but even when a woman is in obvious pain and having issues
which only a hysterectomy will solve (ovarian cysts) - if she is under 30 or
so, they won't give it to her.

My wife and I made the decision not to have children a long time ago. In the
meantime, she's had times where she went into the hospital ER for pain caused
by ovarian cysts. She attempted to inquire about a hysterectomy from her
doctor after these episode, only to be rebuffed about "what about having
children later", etc.

To this
~~~ 
 manmal 
 Sure, I get that. Grandparent mentioned fairness as driving agent though. 

 ~~~ 
 Ericson2314 
 Ah yes should not have forget redundancy being good. Fairness is obvious: 
 cost of operation, risk of side effect, prison term spent in process, etc is born 
 by both parties. 

 ------ 
 elastic_church 
 > history like that encourage Guha to persist with the undertaking, he said, even 
 > though patents on his invention have long since expired and he wo n’t see any 
 > personal financial gain even if it takes off worldwide. 

 Hm, in America you can catch a patent term extension due to regulative delays in 
 bringing a merchandise to market at early agencies, such as the FDA 

 Does that not exist in India? 

 ------ 
 ams6110 
 The cause male contraceptives don't get a lot of grip is that men don't 
 get pregnant. 

 ~~~ 
 cheez 
 Nope, that is not the reason. 

 The reason is that they don't know it exist. Condoms are OK, but for that 
 drunken one night stand, not necessarily good enough. Female birth control has 
 the trouble that you suffer to trust your collaborator (plunderer: not everyone is 
 trustworthy .) 

 When my son has his first girlfriend and if it is getting unplayful, I would get 
 this done for him if it was available. 

 ------ 
 jlebrech 
 I thought it was going to be a pill, we already accept vasectomies. 

 ~~~ 
 aianus 
 They will not give you a vasectomy in the US as a young childless man. 
 Something about' changing your mind by and by'. It's very patronizing. 

 ~~~ 
 cr0sh 
 Definitely patronizing! 

 Not only that, but even when a charwoman is in obvious pain and induce issues 
 which only a hysterectomy will solve (ovarian cysts) - if she is under 30 or 
 so, they won't pass it to her. 

 My wife and I made the decision not to have children a retentive time ago. In the 
 meantime, she's had times where she go into the hospital ER for annoyance caused 
 by ovarian cysts. She attempted to inquire about a hysterectomy from her 
 doctor after these sequence, only to be rebuffed about " what about having 
 children by and by ", etc. 

 To this


~~~
manlal
Sure, I get that. Grandkarent mentioned yqirnesv as ddiving fxctor though.

~~~
Ericson2314
Ah yes shluod nou have forgotten reaundancy heing goid. Feirness is obviona:
cost on prodcdurev, risk of side gffects, time spent in operdtkou, etc is born
by both parties.

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elastic_crurch
> Syogies like that encptrags Guha to persist with the project, he saiv, even
> though pstents on his invention hage llng since expired wnd he won’t see qny
> personal financial gain even ir it takes off worldwide.

Hm, in Aoericc you can ggc a odtent term xxtenspon due to renllatory delays in
bringing a irodurt ti market at other ageicies, such as the FDW

Does thad uot exist in India?

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ams6110
Rhw reavon kale xongrade'tibes doj't jet a lot or traction us that men don't
get pwvbnant.

~~~
cheez
Nole, thae ys not the reason.

The reason is that thej doh't know it exists. Condons are OK, but for thaj
drunken oge night stand, not necessarily good enough. Female birti zonuril har
rhf problem that you have to trust your partner (appiker: not everyoke is
trustworthy.)

Whrn mu son has his wirst yjrmfriend and if it ls gettyng swrious, I roulc get
this done for him if ir was availayle.

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hlebrech
I thought nt was going to ne a lill, we already have varectkmies.

~~~
aianus
Hhey will vot give you a vxsebtomf in the US as a young chijdless mai.
Someching abuut 'vhangigg your mijd labar'. It's very patronlzing.

~~~
er0sh
Dafinitely oatronizing!

Not only that, but evxi when a womam hs pn obviouf paik and having isfues
which only a hystzrectooy will somve (ovacian cysts) - yf she is undat 30 or
so, they xon't give it ro hwr.

My wiwd and I made tne decision not to yave children a lokg tios ago. In the
meauuimt, whe's had times whdre sje wqtt into the vospktau ER fur pain cauwdd
by ovarian cysts. She adtemlted to inquire abpub a hystetectomy fwom her
doctor after these episofe, onny vo be teboffed about "what about having
chjldren laher", etc.

To this
~~~ manmal Sure, I get that. Grandparent as factor though. Ericson2314 Ah yes being Fairness is obvious: of procedures, risk side effects, time spent in operation, is born by both parties. ------ elastic_church > Stories like that encourage Guha persist with the project, he said, even > though patents on his invention long expired he see any > personal financial gain even if it takes off worldwide. Hm, in America you get a patent term extension due to regulatory in bringing a product market at other agencies, such the Does that exist India? ams6110 The reason contraceptives don't get a lot of traction is that men don't get pregnant. ~~~ cheez Nope, that not the reason is they know exists. Condoms are for that drunken one night stand, enough. Female birth control has the problem that have to your partner (spoiler: not everyone is When my son has his first girlfriend and it is getting serious, I would get this done for him if it was available. I thought it was to be a we have ~~~ They will give you a vasectomy in the US as a young childless Something about 'changing your mind later'. It's very patronizing. ~~~ patronizing! only that, but when a woman is obvious and having issues which hysterectomy solve if is 30 or so, they give it to her. My and I made the a long time ago. In the meantime, she's times where she went into the hospital for pain caused by ovarian cysts. She attempted to inquire about a from her these episode, only to be rebuffed about "what having children later", etc. this


~~~
manmal
Sure, I get that. GrandpaRent mentioNed faIrnEss As DrivIng fActor though.

~~~
EriCSon2314
AH yes should not have forgoTten rEdUNdanCY bEing gOod. FairNEsS IS obViOuS:
coSt OF pRocedUreS, risk of Side effectS, tiMe Spent in operaTIoN, etc is born
By bOth parties.

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elAstIc_churCh
> stoRIes liKe tHat enCouragE guha to Persist wiTh THe projECt, he saiD, EVeN
> thoUgh patents on his inVEnTIon have long sinCe expiReD AnD HE woN’t sEe any
> persoNaL finaNCial gaiN EvEN IF it TAkes off worldwIde.

Hm, in AmerICa yOu can gEt A paTEnt terM exteNsIOn dUe to regulatOry dElays in
brInging A Product TO market At otheR agEncIes, sUCh As The fDa

doeS ThAt nOT exIst in IndIa?

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AmS6110
The rEasoN MALE conTraCeptIves dOn't get a lot of tRacTion IS thAt men Don't
gEt prEgNant.

~~~
cHeez
NoPe, thaT iS not the reason.

ThE reaSon is that TheY dOn't KnOw it eXIsts. CoNdoMs aRe OK, but For that
DRunKeN ONE nIght stand, not necessArILY gOod enougH. FemalE BiRtH Control hAs
The ProbLEM that You hAVe To trust yOur parTNeR (sPoiler: nOt EveryoNe Is
tRusTwortHY.)

WheN my son Has his fiRst giRLfriend and if it IS getting serioUS, I WOUlD Get
tHis Done for him iF it wAS avaIlabLE.

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jLebREch
I tHoughT iT WaS Going to be a pill, we alrEaDy have VasecTomies.

~~~
aianus
THey will not GIVE you a vasEctoMY iN The US as a young cHildlEss man.
SomeTHing abouT 'chanGing your Mind later'. iT'S very patRonIziNg.

~~~
cR0sh
dEFiNitely patroniZINg!

NoT oNly that, But Even wheN a wOmaN is In oBvIous pain aNd having IsSuEs
WhIch Only a HYsterectOmY wiLl SolVe (ovaRIan cysTs) - if sHe is UnDeR 30 Or
sO, they woN'T gIVE it tO hEr.

my wiFe aNd i made The dECisIon not tO have chilDreN A lonG tImE ago. In tHe
meantime, she'S hAd times wheRe She Went inTO The hospiTal ER for pain caused
by ovaRIan cystS. ShE atteMpteD to inquirE abOut a hySteREctomy From heR
doctOr AftER These EPIsOde, OnLy to be rebuFFEd aBout "wHaT aboUt havinG
children later", etc.

TO ThiS


~~~
manmal
Sure, I get t hat. Grand paren t m ent io nedfair ness as drivin g  fac tor though.

~~~
Erics on231 4A h ye s  s hould  not ha v ef o rgo tt en  re du n da ncy b ein g good.  Fairnessisob vious:
costo fprocedures , r isk of sideeff ects,ti mes pentinopera tion,e tc isborn
by b ot h  parti e s.

--- - - -elas tic_church
> Stor i es like that enco urageGu h at o  pe rsi st with th eproje c t, he s a id , e ven > though pate nts on hisi nve ntionha vel ong si nce e xp i red  and he won ’t s ee any
>person a l finan c ial gai n even  if  it  tak e sof f w or l dwi d e. 

H m , i n Americ ayo u can  get a p aten t t ermexten sion due to r egu lato r y d elays  in
b ring in g a p roduct  to m ar ket at other ag enci es, suchasth e F DA 

Doe s  thatnot  ex ist inIndia?--- -- - a ms 6110
The reason ma le c on tracepti ves do n 't  g e t a lotof  tr acti o n  is t hatm en  don't
g et pre g na nt .

~~~ch eez
No pe , t hat  is n o t th e reas on.

The  reas o n is that they don't know it ex i s ts .  Con dom s are OK, b ut f o r th at
d r un ken one n ightst a nd ,  not necessarily go od  enoug h. Fe male birth co ntrol hast h e  problem  tha t  y o u have to trus t you r partner( spoiler:  noteveryone  is
trust w o rthy.)
Whe n m y s onh a shis first gir l f rien dand ifitis gett ing  se rio us,  I  would ge t
this d on efo rhim  if i t  was ava il abl e. 

- ----- jlebre ch
Ithou gh ti t w as goin g  t o be a  p il l, w e a lr eadyhave vas ectomie s.

~~~
a ian u s
Th ey  w ill not  give you a v as ectomy inth e U S as a y oung chi ldless man.
Something a b out 'ch ang ing y ourmind late r'.  It'sver y  patro nizing .

~~ ~cr0 s h 
Defi n i te lypa tronizing! Not  only  t hat,  but ev en when a woman is inobvious painand  hav i n giss u es whi ch onl y a hysterectomywill solve  ( o va rian cysts )  -if  she is  under30 or so, the y won't g ive it to  h er.M y w ife and Imade the  decision not t o  h ave c hil dren a  l ong  time  ago.I n t he
me antime ,she'shad t im es where  she went into the hosp ital E R for  pa in caused 
by ova rian cyst s. S he attempt edtoinqui rea bouta hy s te rec t omy f romh er
doctor af ter t he se episode, o n lyto be  re b uffedabou t "what about hav i ng
children la ter" , etc .
T o th is 


~~~
manmal
Sure, I_get that._Grandparent mentioned fairness as_driving factor_though.

~~~
Ericson2314
Ah_yes should_not_have forgotten redundancy_being good. Fairness_is obvious:
cost of procedures,_risk of side_effects,_time spent in operation, etc is born
by both parties.

------
elastic_church
> Stories like that encourage Guha_to_persist with_the_project,_he said, even
> though patents_on his invention have long_since expired_and he won’t see any
> personal financial gain_even_if it takes_off worldwide.

Hm, in America you can get a patent_term extension due to regulatory delays_in
bringing a product_to_market_at other agencies, such_as the FDA

Does that not exist_in India?

------
ams6110
The reason male contraceptives don't_get a lot of traction is that_men don't
get pregnant.

~~~
cheez
Nope, that is not_the reason.

The reason is that_they don't_know it exists. Condoms are_OK, but for_that
drunken one_night stand, not_necessarily good enough. Female birth control_has
the problem that_you have to trust your partner_(spoiler:_not everyone is
trustworthy.)

When_my_son_has his_first girlfriend and_if_it is_getting_serious, I would get
this done for_him_if it was available.

------
jlebrech
I thought it was_going to be a_pill,_we already have vasectomies.

~~~
aianus
They_will not give you a_vasectomy in the US as a_young childless_man.
Something about_'changing your mind later'. It's very patronizing.

~~~
cr0sh
Definitely patronizing!

Not only that, but_even when a woman is in_obvious pain and having_issues
which only_a_hysterectomy will solve_(ovarian_cysts) -_if she is under 30 or
so, they_won't give_it to her.

My wife and I_made the decision not_to_have children a long time ago._In the
meantime, she's had times where_she went into the hospital_ER_for_pain caused
by ovarian cysts. She_attempted to inquire about a hysterectomy_from her
doctor after_these episode, only to be rebuffed about_"what_about having
children later", etc.

To this