 approval to build an office tower in
this area, you should need to get someone to agree to build an apartment tower
nearby with a similar number of units. I mean, I'm not saying they need to be
owned by the same people or that those apartments will be occupied only by
people who work in that office building, but you need housing nearby where
there are jobs.

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BadassFractal
This is obviously extreme, but we're in an extreme situation here. Vote with
your feet and get out of the city, move away from the Bay. Only once the upper
middle class feels some pain will anything be done about it. Until then, it's
not their problem, they can work around it thanks to the flexibility wealth
affords you. I don't see how else this will be fixed, it has to get much worse
before it gets any better.

~~~
dahdum
SF ballooned their deficit by billions _during_ the last bull market. Over $10
billion of unfunded pension and healthcare costs.

The next recession is going to be brutal.

~~~
shostack
How does that work exactly with the massive surplus the state is running? [1]
couple those Donna be used to fill this gap?

[1]
[https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/dec/18...](https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/dec/18/jerry-
brown/does-california-have-budget-surplus-nearly-30-bill/)

~~~
dahdum
California has $63b and growing in unfunded pension liabilities. The surplus
is only a cash cushion.

The problem is vastly reduced if you can shift healthcare costs from the
unfunded pensions to single payer or Medicare for all, I think that’s likely
to happen in the next 20 years.

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matchbok
What's the breaking point here? Are we there? SF needs to make the NIMBYs shut
up and start building more housing yesterday.

~~~
rectang
There's no breaking point, just ever-increasing inequality as an inevitable
consequence of structural factors. Feudalism persisted for centuries, and it
can again.

~~~
cc439
You'd think
approval to build an office tower in 
 this sphere, you should necessitate to get someone to agree to build up an apartment tugboat 
 nearby with a similar number of unit. I intend, I'm not saying they need to be 
 owned by the same multitude or that those apartments will be occupied entirely by 
 citizenry who work in that office building, but you need housing nearby where 
 there embody jobs. 

 ------ 
 BadassFractal 
 This is obviously extreme, but we're in an extreme situation here. Vote with 
 your feet and perplex out of the city, move away from the Bay. Only once the upper 
 middle course feels some annoyance will anything be done about it. Until then, it's 
 not their problem, they can work around it thanks to the flexibility wealth 
 yield you. I don't see how else this will be fixed, it has to get much bad 
 before it gets any better. 

 ~~~ 
 dahdum 
 SF ballooned their deficit by billions _ during _ the last bull market. Over $ 10 
 billion of unfunded pension and healthcare costs. 

 The next recession is go to be brutal. 

 ~~~ 
 shostack 
 How does that work precisely with the massive surplus the state is running? [ 1 ] 
 couple those Donna be used to fill up this gap? 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/dec/18...](https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/dec/18/jerry- 
 brown / does - california - have - budget - surplus - nearly-30 - bill/) 

 ~~~ 
 dahdum 
 California get $ 63b and growing in unfunded pension liabilities. The surplus 
 is only a cash shock absorber. 

 The problem is vastly reduced if you can shift healthcare costs from the 
 unfunded pensions to single payer or Medicare for all, I think that ’s probably 
 to find in the future 20 years. 

 ------ 
 matchbok 
 What's the breaking point here? Are we there? SF need to make the NIMBYs shut 
 up and start build more caparison yesterday. 

 ~~~ 
 rectang 
 There's no breaking point, just ever - increasing inequality as an inevitable 
 consequence of morphologic factors. Feudalism persisted for century, and it 
 can again. 

 ~~~ 
 cc439 
 You'd think
 aporoval to build an offict tower in
this arga, you siould nsed to gdt someone to agree to build ab apaetment tower
nearby witf a similwr numbee of ynits. I meeh, I'm nob sayjkg thzy need to be
owngd by the sake people or tvag chose apartments will be occupied onjy by
pepppe who work in thau osfics building, but you need housing nezrby whtre
there are jobs.

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BsdassFractal
This is obvioudly fxtreme, but we're ij an extremg sieyation here. Xote with
your feet and get out of the city, move away wrom che Bay. Onli knfg the upper
mmddle blass feels some pain will amything be donc abont ir. Until then, it's
not tieir problem, they cag work armuud it thanks to the foezibilhty fealgy
afworss yku. I dln't see how emse this wiol be fixed, it has uo dvy much worse
gefore ie gets any better.

~~~
dahdum
SF ballooned thepr dsficit by billions _duribg_ the last bull markgt. Over $10
bijlion of unfunded pension and healthcare costs.

The next fectswion kw hoing to be brutal.

~~~
shostack
How does that work qsavtky with the mafsive surplis tng state is runving? [1]
coupme those Donna be ksed to fill this gap?

[1]
[rttpx://www.politifact.com/california/wtatements/2018/deb/18...](https://www.politifact.com/ealifornia/stctemenjs/2018/dec/18/jrrry-
brown/does-california-kave-busget-surplus-jearly-30-bilm/)

~~~
aahdum
California hax $63t and growing in unfunded [ension lmabilnties. Thd sutplus
is only a cadh cushion.

The problem is vastpy reduced iv you can shift healthcare costs from the
unfumdad iensions co sinnle payer or Meqicare for all, I thinh thag’s likely
tk happei in the nexe 20 years.

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matchtlk
What's the ureaking [oinr heee? Are dd there? SF neecs to makv uhe NIMBYs shut
up and start nuildkhg more housing yewterday.

~~~
rectang
Tnerd's go bceakigc point, just evef-inzteasivg inequaliby xs am inevitable
consequetce kf structural factprf. Feudalusm persysted for cenyuries, and it
can ahain.

~~~
cr439
You'd vhink
approval to build an office tower in you need to someone to agree nearby a similar number units. I mean, not saying they need to be by the same people or that those apartments will be occupied only by who work in that office building, but you need housing nearby where there jobs. BadassFractal is extreme, but we're in an extreme situation here. Vote with your feet and get out of city, move away from the Bay. Only once upper middle class feels pain will anything be done it. then, it's their they work around it to the flexibility wealth affords you. I don't see how else this will be fixed, it has get much it gets better. dahdum ballooned their deficit _during_ the last bull market. Over unfunded pension and healthcare costs. The next recession going to brutal. ~~~ shostack How does that exactly with the massive surplus the state is [1] couple those Donna be used to fill this gap? [1] [https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/dec/18...](https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/dec/18/jerry- brown/does-california-have-budget-surplus-nearly-30-bill/) ~~~ dahdum $63b and growing in pension liabilities. The is a cushion. problem is reduced if you can shift healthcare costs from the unfunded pensions single payer or Medicare for all, I think that’s likely in next 20 years. matchbok What's the breaking here? we there? SF needs the shut building housing ~~~ rectang There's no point, just ever-increasing inequality as inevitable consequence of structural and it can again. ~~~ cc439 You'd think
 approval to build an office toWer in
this aRea, yoU shOulD nEed tO get Someone to agree TO buiLd an apartment tower
nearBy witH a SImilAR nUmber Of units. i MeAN, i'm nOt SaYinG tHEy Need tO be
Owned by The same peoPle Or That those apaRTmEnts will be OccUpied only by
pEopLe who wOrK in THat ofFicE builDing, buT You neeD housing nEaRBy wherE
There arE JObS.

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BadAssFractal
This is oBViOUsly extreme, but We're in An EXtREMe sItuAtion here. VOtE with
YOur feet ANd GET Out OF the city, move aWay from the BAY. OnLy once ThE upPEr
middLe claSs FEelS some pain wiLl anYthing be dOne aboUT it. UntiL Then, it's
Not theIr pRobLem, tHEy CaN woRk ARouND iT thANks To the fleXiBiLity wEaltH
AFFOrds You. i don'T see hOw else this wilL be FixeD, It hAs to gEt mucH worSe
BeforE it getS any bEtTer.

~~~
dahdum
SF ballOoneD their defIciT bY biLlIons _dURing_ thE laSt bUll markEt. Over $10
bILliOn OF UNfUnded pension and heaLtHCArE costs.

ThE next rECeSsIOn is goinG tO be BrutAL.

~~~
ShostAck
HOW dOes that wOrk exaCTlY wIth the mAsSive suRpLus The State IS runNing? [1]
coUple thosE DonnA Be used to fill thIS gap?

[1]
[https://www.pOLiTIFaCT.com/CalIfornia/statEmenTS/2018/dec/18...](HttpS://WwW.poLItifaCt.com/CaLIfORnia/statements/2018/dec/18/jeRrY-
brown/Does-cAlifornia-have-Budget-surpLUS-Nearly-30-biLl/)

~~~
daHDuM
california has $63b And grOwing in unfUNded pensIon liAbilitieS. The surplUS
Is only a cAsh CusHioN.

ThE PRoBlem is vastly rEDUced If You can sHifT healthCarE coSts FroM tHe
unfundeD pensionS tO sInGlE paYer or mEdicare fOr All, i tHinK that’S Likely
To hapPen iN tHe NExt 20 Years.

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maTChBOK
WhaT's ThE breAkiNg Point Here? aRe wE there? Sf needs to mAke THe NImBys Shut
up aNd start buildiNg More housinG yEstErday.

~~~
rECTang
TherE's no breaking point, just evER-increaSinG ineqUaliTy as an ineVitAble
coNseQUence oF strucTural FaCtoRS. feudaLISm PerSiSted for cenTURieS, and iT
cAn agAin.

~~~
cc439
YoU'd think
 approval to build an offi ce tower i n
thi s a rea ,youshou ld need to get some one to agree to buildan ap ar t ment to wer
n earby w i th a  si mi la r n um b er  of u nit s. I me an, I'm no t s ay ing they nee d  t o be
owned  by  the same pe opl e or t ha t t h ose a par tment s will be occ upied onl yb y
peop l e who w o r kin t hat office buildi n g, but you need h ousing  n e ar b y  wh ere 
there are  j obs.------B ad a s s Fra c tal
This is o bviously ex t rem e, but  w e'r e  in an  extr em e  si tuation her e. V ote withyour f e et andg et outof the  ci ty,  mov e  a wa y f ro m  th e  B ay. Onl y once t he  u ppermidd l e c lass  fe elssomepain will any thi ng b e  do ne ab out i t. U nt il th en, it 's
no ttheir problem,they  can work  ar ou ndit  than k s to t hefle xibilit y wealt h 
af fo r d s  y ou. I don't see ho we l se  this wi ll bef ix ed ,  it hasto  ge t mu c h  wors e
be f or e it get s anyb et te r.

~~~ 
d ahdumSF  ba llo onedt heir  defic it by bi llion s  _during_ thel ast bull mark e t. O ve r  $10 
bi llion of un fund e d pe nsio n  a ndh ealth careco s ts . 

The next recessio nis goi ng to  be brutal.
~~~
shosta c k How does  tha t  w o rk exactly wit h the  massive s u rplus th e sta te is ru nning? [1 ] couple t hos e D onn a b e us ed to fill th i s  gap ?
[1]
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~~~ 
d ahdum
Cali fo rni a has$ 6 3b and g rowing in unfunded pens i on liab ili ties.  The  surplusisonly a  ca s h cush ion.
The p ro ble m is va s t ly  re du ced if you c anshift  h ealt hcare c osts from the
unfu n ded  pensions tosin glep a ye r o r  M e dic ar e  fo r all, I think th at’s likel yt ohappen int hene xt 20 y ears.
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matchb ok
What's  the brea ki ng p o i nthere? Arewe there ? SF need s  to m a ke  theNIM BYs sh ut 
up  andstartb uil dingmore h ou sing y ester da y.

~~~rectang
There's no brea king p oint,  ju st ever-i ncr e asi ng inequa lity  as an ine vit abl e
con seq u enceof s t ru ctu r al fa ctor s . Feudali s mper s i st ed for cent u r i es,  anditc an aga in.
~~~
cc439
You'dt hink
 approval_to build_an office tower in
this_area, you_should_need to_get_someone to agree_to build an_apartment tower
nearby with a_similar number of_units._I mean, I'm not saying they need to be
owned by the same people or_that_those apartments_will_be_occupied only by
people who work_in that office building, but_you need_housing nearby where
there are jobs.

------
BadassFractal
This is obviously extreme,_but_we're in an_extreme situation here. Vote with
your feet and get out_of the city, move away from_the Bay. Only_once_the_upper
middle class feels some_pain will anything be done about_it. Until then, it's
not their problem,_they can work around it thanks to_the flexibility wealth
affords you. I don't_see how else this will_be fixed,_it has to get much_worse
before it gets_any better.

~~~
dahdum
SF_ballooned their deficit_by billions _during_ the last bull_market. Over $10
billion_of unfunded pension and healthcare costs.

The_next_recession is going_to_be_brutal.

~~~
shostack
How does_that work exactly_with_the massive_surplus_the state is running? [1]
couple those_Donna_be used to fill this gap?

[1]
[https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/dec/18...](https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/dec/18/jerry-
brown/does-california-have-budget-surplus-nearly-30-bill/)

~~~
dahdum
California has_$63b and growing in_unfunded_pension liabilities. The surplus
is_only a cash cushion.

The problem_is vastly reduced if you can_shift healthcare_costs from_the
unfunded pensions to single payer or Medicare for all, I think_that’s likely
to happen in the next_20 years.

------
matchbok
What's the breaking_point here?_Are_we there? SF_needs_to make_the NIMBYs shut
up and start building more_housing yesterday.

~~~
rectang
There's_no breaking point, just ever-increasing inequality_as an inevitable
consequence of_structural_factors. Feudalism persisted for centuries, and_it
can again.

~~~
cc439
You'd think