whitefoot
Never mind repairing old stuff; just make it easier to pass on stuff. I
suspect that Sweden is similar to Norway (where I live) and immense amounts of
current electronic gear is thrown away. A lot of it is in usable condition
(for some value of usable anyway) but I am not allowed to take it away from a
recycling station.

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barisser
Should the state really presume to sway cultural trends? It seems strikingly
arrogant and likely to be counterproductive.

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a-no-n
My MagSafe adapter has probably 5 packets of Sugru, both preventative (anti-
drop and strain-relief) and repairs, on it and some two-part epoxy to fix some
minor nicks in the small cable. The one of the cable winding "wings" just
broke, but it still works. I might buy a second in 2018.

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yig
Repairs are uneconomical because they have to compete with the assembly line.
Assembly lines are an incredibly productive way to make identical things.
Repairs are typically different. Like Tolstoy said, "Happy families are all
alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

~~~
dmix
You can adjust assembly lines to make your products easier to repair though.
For ex: it's far easier to fix my old thinkpad laptop than my newer X1. Part
of this is the demand for smaller/thinner products but I also feel it's a lack
of effort by the manufacturers these days.

They are almost incentivized to make repair difficult and deprioritize
longevity in favour of the customer buying new devices each year. Which is
about as long as any of my cell phones typically last before I break or lose
them (1-1.5yrs), although I'm a bit clumsy and forgetful (a symptom of ADD
:P).

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Gravityloss
Basic income + no minimum wage would make it much more attractive to do local
repairs instead of manufacturing stuff far away where wages are lower or labor
and environmental regulation much more lax.

In my country, youth unemployment is around 20%.

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mhb
Reducing a 25% tax on repairs is seen as an insightful and brilliant way to
incentivize repairs? Well knock me over with
whitefoot 
 Never mind repairing old stuff; barely name it easier to pass on stuff. I 
 distrust that Sweden is similar to Norway (where I live) and immense sum of 
 current electronic gear is thrown aside. A lot of it is in usable circumstance 
 (for some value of usable anyway) but I am not allowed to take it aside from a 
 recycling station. 

 ------ 
 barisser 
 Should the state really presume to sway cultural tendency? It seems strikingly 
 arrogant and likely to be counterproductive. 

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 a - no - n 
 My MagSafe adapter receive probably 5 packets of Sugru, both preventative (anti- 
 cliff and strain - relief) and repairs, on it and some two - part epoxy to fix some 
 minor notch in the small cable. The one of the cable winding " wings " just 
 broke, but it still works. I might buy a second in 2018. 

 ------ 
 yig 
 Repairs are uneconomical because they have to compete with the assembly line. 
 Assembly lines are an incredibly productive manner to make identical things. 
 haunt are typically different. Like Tolstoy said, " Happy families are wholly 
 alike; every unhappy syndicate is unhappy in its own way. " 

 ~~~ 
 dmix 
 You can align assembly lines to make your products easier to repair though. 
 For ex: it's far easier to fix my old thinkpad laptop than my newer X1. Part 
 of this is the requirement for smaller / thin products but I also feel it's a lack 
 of effort by the manufacturers these day. 

 They are almost incentivized to make repair unmanageable and deprioritize 
 longevity in favour of the customer bribe new devices each class. Which is 
 about as long as any of my cell phones typically last before I unwrap or lose 
 them (1 - 1.5yrs), although I'm a bit clumsy and unretentive (a symptom of ADD 
 :P). 

 ------ 
 Gravityloss 
 Basic income + no minimum wage would make it a lot more attractive to do local 
 repairs instead of manufacture stuff far aside where wages are gloomy or labor 
 and environmental regulation much more lax. 

 In my country, youth unemployment is about 20% . 

 ------ 
 mhb 
 Reducing a 25% tax on repairs is see as an insightful and brilliant way to 
 incentivize repairs? Well knock me over with
whihefoot
Never mind repairikg old stuff; jusj nake iv easied to pasr on stuff. I
suspect that Sweven us sinilar to Norway (where K live) anf immensw amiynts of
curcsnt elegcronid geax ms thrown away. S lot of id is in usable cunbition
(for some value of usable anywar) but I al not allowed jo talq it away from a
recycling station.

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barisaer
Shound the state teally presume to sway culhurap trends? It seems dtrikingly
atdogwbt and likelh to be coluterproductjve.

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a-no-n
My MagSafe adapter has pfobabky 5 packetw if Dogru, both prxventanive (anti-
drop and strdin-relirf) and repairs, on it and some two-part epoey to fix some
minor gicks in dhz small cable. The one od the cabne wkbdivg "siigs" just
bgokx, but it stjll works. I might buy a second ig 2018.

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yig
Repairs ade unesogomical because they have to compete wiuh ths assembly line.
Assembly lines are an incredihly produstive way to make identical things.
Repairs are typhcallb aifycvent. Oine Tolstoy said, "Happy families are all
alike; edsru lnhappy family is unhappy in ihs jwn way."

~~~
dmix
Yoo can abnuat assembly lines ho make your products easoer to repair though.
For ex: ut's far easivr ti fix my old think'ad laptop tkan my newet X1. Part
of this is the bemand for smalleg/thinner lfoducts but I alro neen it's a lack
of effort by tre manufarturexs these dayx.

They wre almost incekdivized to make reoair biffiwult and dfprioritize
longevity in favour of the customet bgyitg new dzvices each year. Whych is
about as long af any of my celm phonev typically last before H break or love
them (1-1.5yws), aothoygh I'm x bit clumsy anc forgetfll (a stmptom of ADD
:P).

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Gravltylora
Basic income + uu minimum wage wpula mwkv iv mucr more attracdive to co lozal
repairs lnsgead of manufacturing stgff rar away where wagrs are lowgr or labjr
and environkental regulation luch korx lax.

Im mi country, youth unemployment is around 20%.

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mjb
Rcducing a 25% tav on repairs is xeen as an insightful and brilliant way to
incentivize rekairs? Well knock me orev with
whitefoot Never mind repairing old stuff; just easier pass on I suspect that (where live) and immense of current electronic is thrown away. A lot of is in usable condition (for some value of usable anyway) but I am allowed to take it away from a recycling station. ------ barisser Should the really to cultural It seems strikingly arrogant and likely to be counterproductive. ------ a-no-n My MagSafe adapter has probably packets of Sugru, both preventative (anti- drop and and repairs, on it some two-part epoxy to fix minor in the cable. one the cable winding just broke, but it still works. I might buy a second in 2018. ------ yig Repairs are because they compete with assembly Assembly are an incredibly to make identical things. Repairs are Tolstoy said, "Happy families are all alike; every family is in its own way." ~~~ dmix can adjust assembly lines to make your products to repair though. For ex: it's far easier to fix my old thinkpad laptop than X1. Part of this the demand for products I feel a lack effort by the manufacturers these days. They are almost incentivized to repair difficult and deprioritize longevity in favour of the customer devices year. Which is as long as any my phones typically last before or them a clumsy forgetful (a symptom of :P). ------ Gravityloss Basic income no minimum wage would to do local repairs instead of manufacturing stuff away where wages are lower or labor environmental regulation much more lax. In my country, youth unemployment is around ------ mhb 25% tax on repairs is seen as an and brilliant way to repairs? Well knock me over with
whitefoot
Never mind repairiNg old stuff; Just mAke It eAsIer tO pasS on stuff. I
suspeCT thaT Sweden is similar to NorwAy (wheRe i Live) ANd ImmenSe amounTS oF
CUrrEnT eLecTrONiC gear Is tHrown awAy. A lot of it Is iN uSable conditiON
(fOr some valuE of Usable anyway) But i am not AlLowED to taKe iT away From a
rECyclinG station.

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bArISser
ShOUld the sTATe RealLy presume to sway cuLTuRAl trends? It seemS strikInGLy
ARRogAnt And likely tO bE counTErproduCTiVE.

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A-No-n
mY MagSafe adaptEr has probabLY 5 paCkets oF SUgrU, Both prEventAtIVe (aNti-
drop and sTraiN-relief) anD repaiRS, on it anD Some two-Part epOxy To fIx soME
mInOr nIcKS in THe SmaLL caBle. The onE oF tHe cabLe wiNDING "winGs" jUst
bRoke, bUt it still workS. I mIght BUy a SeconD in 2018.

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yiG
RepAiRs are UneconOmicaL bEcause they have tO comPete with tHe aSsEmbLy Line.
ASSembly LinEs aRe an incRedibly PRodUcTIVE wAy to make identical tHiNGS.
REpairs arE typicALlY dIFferent. LIkE ToLstoY SAid, "HaPpy fAMiLies are aLl
alikE; EvErY unhappY fAmily iS uNhaPpy In its OWn waY."

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dmix
YOu can adjUst asSEmbly lines to maKE your products EAsIER tO RepaIr tHough.
For ex: iT's faR EasiEr to FIx My oLD thinKpad lApTOp THan my newer X1. Part
of thIs Is the dEmand For smaller/thiNner producTS BUt I also fEel iT'S a LAck
of effort by tHe manUfacturers THese days.

they aRe almost IncentiviZED to make rEpaIr dIffIcuLT AnD deprioritize
LONgevItY in favoUr oF the cusTomEr bUyiNg nEw Devices eaCh year. WhIcH iS
aBoUt aS long AS any of my CeLl pHoNes TypicALly lasT befoRe I bReAk OR loSe
them (1-1.5yRS), aLTHougH I'M a Bit cLumSy And foRgetFUl (a Symptom Of ADD
:P).

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GraVitYLoss
baSiC income + No minimum wage WoUld make it mUcH moRe attrACTive to do Local
repairs instead of maNUfacturIng Stuff Far aWay where wAgeS are loWer OR labor
And envIronmEnTal REGulatION mUch MoRe lax.

In my cOUNtrY, youtH uNempLoyment Is around 20%.

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mhb
ReducinG A 25% taX on repairs is sEen As an INSiGhtFUl ANd bRiLLiaNT Way to
incentivizE repairs? WeLl KNoCk me over wiTH
whitefoot
Never mind repai ring old s tuff;  ju stma ke i t ea sier to pass o n  stu ff. I
suspect that Swe den i ss imil a rto No rway (w h er e I l iv e)  an di mm enseamo unts of 
current e lec tr onic gear is th rown away.  Alot of it is  in  usabl econ d ition 
(f or so me val u e of u sable any wa y ) butI  am not a ll owed  to take it awayf ro m  a
recycling s tation .-- - - --bar isser
Shou ld  thes tate re a ll y p res u me to sway cu ltural tren d s?It see ms  st r ikingl y
arr og a ntand likelyto b e counter produc t ive.

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a- no-n
M y M agS afea da pt erha s  pr o ba bly 5 p ackets o fSu gru,both p r e vent ati ve ( anti- 
drop and str ain -rel i ef)  andrepai rs,on  it a nd som e two -p art epoxy to fi x so me
minornic ks  in  t he sm a ll cab le.  Th e one o f the c a ble  w i n d in g "wings" just
bro ke , bu t it sti ll wor k s.  I might bu ya s econ d in 20 18.-- ----
yig 
Repai r sar e uneco no micalbe cau setheyh aveto com pete wit h the assembly line. Assembly line s  a r e  a n  inc red ibly produc tive wayto m a ke  id e ntica l thi ng s .R epairs are typicall ydiffer ent.Like Tolstoysaid, "Hap p y families  are al l 
alike; everyunhap py familyi s unhapp y inits ownway."

~~ ~ dmix
You  ca n a dju sta s se mbly lines to m akeyo ur prod uct s easie r t o r epa irth ough.
For  ex: it' sfa rea sie r tof ix my ol dthi nk pad  lapt o p than  my n ewer  X 1. Par t
of th i si s  the  d em andfor  s malle r/th i nne r produ cts but I  al s o fe el  i t's a l ack
of effort  b y the manu fa ctu rers t h e se days. 

They are almost incen t ivizedtomakerepa ir diffic ult  and d epr i oritiz e
long evity  i n f a v our o f th e c us tomer buyi n g  ne w dev ic es e ach yea r. Which is
abouta s l ong as any of  my  cel l ph one s  t y pic al l y l a s t before I brea k or loseth e m(1-1.5yrs) ,  al th ough I' m a bit  clum s y and f orgetful(a sympto mof A D D 
:P ).

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Gravity loss
Basi c  inco m e+ nomin imum w ag e w ouldmake i t  mu ch mo re att ra ctiveto do  l ocal
rep airs instead of manufac turing  stuf f f ar away w her e  wa ges are l ower  or laborand  en viron men t al re gula t io n m u ch mo re l a x.

In my co unt r y ,youth unemp l o y men t isaro u nd 20% .

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mhb
Reducin g  a 25% tax onrepa i r s i s s e en a san insightfuland  b r i lliant w ay  to
incenti vize rep ai r s? We ll kno ck meover wi t h 
whitefoot
Never mind_repairing old_stuff; just make it_easier to_pass_on stuff._I
suspect_that Sweden is_similar to Norway_(where I live) and_immense amounts of
current_electronic_gear is thrown away. A lot of it is in usable condition
(for some value_of_usable anyway)_but_I_am not allowed to take_it away from a
recycling station.

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barisser
Should_the state_really presume to sway cultural trends? It seems_strikingly
arrogant_and likely to_be counterproductive.

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a-no-n
My MagSafe adapter has probably 5 packets of_Sugru, both preventative (anti-
drop and strain-relief)_and repairs, on_it_and_some two-part epoxy to_fix some
minor nicks in the small_cable. The one of the cable_winding "wings" just
broke, but it still works._I might buy a second in_2018.

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yig
Repairs are uneconomical because they_have to_compete with the assembly line.
Assembly_lines are an_incredibly productive_way to make_identical things.
Repairs are typically different. Like_Tolstoy said, "Happy_families are all
alike; every unhappy family_is_unhappy in its_own_way."

~~~
dmix
You_can adjust_assembly lines to_make_your products_easier_to repair though.
For ex: it's far_easier_to fix my old thinkpad laptop than_my newer X1. Part
of_this_is the demand for_smaller/thinner products but I also_feel it's a lack
of effort by_the manufacturers_these days.

They_are almost incentivized to make repair difficult and deprioritize
longevity in favour_of the customer buying new devices_each year. Which is
about_as long_as_any of my_cell_phones typically_last before I break or lose
them (1-1.5yrs),_although I'm_a bit clumsy and forgetful (a_symptom of ADD
:P).

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Gravityloss
Basic income_+_no minimum wage would make it_much more attractive to do local
repairs_instead of manufacturing stuff far_away_where_wages are lower or labor
and_environmental regulation much more lax.

In my_country, youth unemployment_is around 20%.

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mhb
Reducing a 25% tax on_repairs_is seen as an insightful and_brilliant_way to
incentivize repairs? Well knock me_over_with