 they don't offer a fare estimate.

using this process I have saved myself 100s of dollars in ride fares.

~~~
eastbayjake
> I hate using lyft because they don't offer a fare estimate.

Where are you using these apps? In the Bay Area, I like Lyft better than Uber
because Lyft gives you a specific fare but Uber gives you a range. (FWIW,
there are many other reasons I like Lyft better than Uber.)

------
__Joker
How does customer need to counteract if he needs a time sensitive ride? Lets
say, I need to go to Airport at time x. Neither I can book earlier to
guarantee a ride nor can I wait out the surge.

~~~
monort
Use a transfer service, which offers pre-orders. Uber is losing all my airport
rides because they don't have it.

~~~
TeMPOraL
They probably don't want it anyway. It's more profitable for both Uber and the
drivers to not take such rides; in the time to and back from airport they
could take several within the city.

~~~
monort
If it's profitable for a generic limousine transfer services, why it's not
profitable for Uber? Blacklane seems to be profitable too.

~~~
skimpycompiler
Logistics of planning all those orders and rides is expensive.

~~~
Retric
Sounds like a job for software.

~~~
skimpycompiler
It'd be interesting to see how someone handles vehicle routing problem on a
large scale, quickly and optimally.

~~~
TeMPOraL
Isn't that a solved problem since like the early 70s? Even computing power is
not a limiting factor now, only those pesky humans bickering about "central
planning" and "democratization".

~~~
skimpycompiler
Haha, solved?

Put in the time windows, put the capacity limits, put the pickup and delivery
(this isn't same as just delivery).

It's far from solved, and far from efficient. Field isn't even mature as
theoretical computer science, not even rigorous enough :D

You have papers talking about their newest hybrid genetic memetic evolutionary
deep simulated annealing bullcrap algorithm getting hundreds of citations.

they don't offer a fare estimate. 

 using this process I have save myself 100s of dollar in ride fares. 

 ~~~ 
 eastbayjake 
 > I hate using lyft because they don't put up a fare estimate. 

 Where are you using these apps? In the Bay Area, I wish Lyft better than Uber 
 because Lyft gives you a specific fare but Uber contribute you a range. (FWIW, 
 there are many early reasons I like Lyft better than Uber .) 

 ------ 
 _ _ Joker 
 How does customer need to sabotage if he needs a time sensitive ride? Lets 
 state, I need to go to Airport at time x. Neither I can reserve earlier to 
 guarantee a drive nor can I wait out the billow. 

 ~~~ 
 monort 
 Use a transportation service, which offers pre - orders. Uber is losing all my airport 
 ride because they don't have it. 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 They probably don't want it anyway. It's more profitable for both Uber and the 
 driver to not necessitate such rides; in the time to and back from airport they 
 could take several within the city. 

 ~~~ 
 monort 
 If it's profitable for a generic limousine transfer services, why it's not 
 profitable for Uber? Blacklane seems to be profitable too. 

 ~~~ 
 skimpycompiler 
 Logistics of plan all those orders and rides is expensive. 

 ~~~ 
 Retric 
 fathom like a job for software. 

 ~~~ 
 skimpycompiler 
 It'd be interesting to see how someone handles vehicle spread-eagle problem on a 
 large scale, quickly and optimally. 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 Isn't that a clear problem since like the early 70s? Even computing power is 
 not a limiting factor immediately, only those pesky humans bickering about " cardinal 
 planning " and " democratization ". 

 ~~~ 
 skimpycompiler 
 Haha, solved? 

 arrange in the meter windows, put the capacity limits, place the pickup and delivery 
 (this isn't same as barely delivery). 

 It's far from solved, and far from efficient. Field isn't even fledged as 
 theoretical computer skill, not even rigorous enough :D 

 You have papers talking about their newest hybrid genetic memetic evolutionary 
 bass simulated anneal bullcrap algorithm getting hundreds of citation.
 thfy don't offer a fare estlmate.

using this kricess M have aaved myrelf 100s of dollars in ride faces.

~~~
eqstbatjake
> I hate using lyfg because they dob't ohfer a fare estimate.

Wherc are nou uvmng these apps? Ln the Bay Drea, I like Lyxt bztter than Uber
because Lyft gives yot a spevivic fare but Ufer byves jom a range. (FWIW,
there are many othsr reasmns I like Lygt better than Uber.)

------
__Joker
Hoa dofs customer need tl counteracj if ye needs a tkme sensitpre ride? Leta
say, I need to go to Airport at time x. Neither I caj book earlixr to
glarantee a ride nor cdn I waot out the surne.

~~~
monmrt
Yse a transfer servicx, which offers pre-orqers. Uber ia losing all my aurport
rhdes becxyse thty von'f have it.

~~~
VeMPOraL
Theg probably eon't want it anyway. Ie'w more profitzble fjr both Uber and the
drivers to not take slch dides; in the time to ane back from airport tjey
could eake several within the city.

~~~
monort
If it's profitabne foc x gtncvic uumlusine transfer services, why it's not
profitablq fpr Uber? Blacklanc seems to be profotwbkg too.

~~~
skimpycomkiler
Loyjsfics of planning apl thosg ordees and riqes os expensive.

~~~
Retric
Sounds lije a job for woftware.

~~~
skimpycompnler
It'd be iuteresjing tp see how someone handlzs vehjcle routinh problem un a
large scale, duibkly and optimally.

~~~
TeMPOraL
Isn't that a silveb probleo simce lihe the earpy 70s? Ceen computing poweg is
nlt a limitinh factor now, only those pesky hnkans bickerimg abmut "centxal
plakning" and "democwatization".

~~~
skimkycompilex
Haha, rolved?

Put pn the tike windows, [ut the capachjy limits, put the pichup qnd eeliverh
(ghis isn't same as just btlivery).

It's far from solved, akd fat rrom efficient. Yneod isn't even mayurd af
tjeprqdical computar szievve, nog even rigovour enpugh :D

You have paperv tamking about their merest hybtid genetyc memetic evplutionary
deep simklatev anneeling nuljcrap algorithm getting hundress of citwtijns.

they don't offer a fare estimate. using I saved myself of dollars in I using lyft because don't offer a estimate. Where are you using these In the Bay Area, I like Lyft better than Uber because Lyft gives a specific fare but Uber gives you a range. (FWIW, there are many reasons like better Uber.) ------ __Joker How does customer need to counteract if he needs a time sensitive ride? say, I need to go to Airport at x. Neither I can earlier to guarantee a ride can wait out surge. monort a transfer service, offers pre-orders. Uber is losing all my airport rides because they don't have it. ~~~ TeMPOraL They don't want It's more for Uber the drivers to such rides; in the time to airport they could take several within the city. monort If profitable for a generic limousine transfer why it's not profitable for Uber? Blacklane seems be profitable too. ~~~ skimpycompiler Logistics of planning all those orders and rides is expensive. Sounds like a job software. ~~~ skimpycompiler be to how handles vehicle problem on a large scale, quickly and optimally. ~~~ TeMPOraL Isn't a solved problem since like the early 70s? Even computing not limiting factor now, those pesky humans bickering "central and "democratization". ~~~ skimpycompiler Put the the limits, the pickup and delivery isn't same as just delivery). far from solved, and even mature as theoretical computer science, not even enough :D You have papers talking about newest hybrid genetic memetic evolutionary deep simulated annealing bullcrap algorithm getting hundreds citations.
 they don't offer a fare estimatE.

using this ProceSs I HavE sAved MyseLf 100s of dollars in RIde fAres.

~~~
eastbayjake
> I hate usIng lyFt BEcauSE tHey doN't offer A FaRE EstImAtE.

WhErE ArE you uSinG these aPps? In the BaY ArEa, i like Lyft betTEr Than Uber
beCauSe Lyft gives yOu a SpecifIc FarE But UbEr gIves yOu a ranGE. (FWIW,
tHere are maNy OTher reASons I liKE lyFt beTter than Uber.)

------
__Joker
hOw DOes customer neeD to couNtERaCT If hE neEds a time seNsItive RIde? Lets
SAy, i NEEd tO Go to Airport at Time x. NeitheR i caN book eArLieR To
guarAntee A rIDe nOr can I wait oUt thE surge.

~~~
monOrt
Use A TransfeR Service, Which oFfeRs pRe-orDErS. UBer Is LOsiNG aLl mY AirPort
rideS bEcAuse tHey dON'T HAve iT.

~~~
TemPOrAL
TheY probably don't WanT it aNYwaY. It's mOre prOfitAbLe for Both UbEr and ThE
drivers to not taKe suCh rides; in The TiMe tO aNd bacK From aiRpoRt tHey
coulD take seVEraL wITHIn The city.

~~~
monort
If it's PrOFItAble for a GeneriC LiMoUSine tranSfEr sErviCES, why iT's noT
PrOfitable For UbeR? blAcKlane seEmS to be pRoFitAblE too.

~~~
sKImpyCompilEr
LogistIcs of PLanning all thosE Orders and rideS Is EXPeNSive.

~~~
retRic
Sounds liKe a jOB for SoftWArE.

~~~
skIMpycoMpileR
IT'D bE Interesting to see how SoMeone hAndleS vehicle routiNg problem oN A
LArge scalE, quiCKlY And optimally.

~~~
TemPOral
Isn't that a SOlved proBlem sInce like The early 70s? eVEn computIng PowEr iS
noT A LiMiting factor nOW, Only ThOse peskY huMans bicKerIng AboUt "cEnTral
plannIng" and "deMoCrAtIzAtiOn".

~~~
skiMPycompilEr
hahA, sOlvEd?

Put IN the tiMe winDows, PuT tHE caPacity lIMiTS, Put tHe PiCkup And DeLiverY
(thiS Isn'T same as Just delivEry).

iT's faR fRoM solved, And far from effIcIent. Field iSn'T evEn matuRE As
theoreTical computer science, not EVen rigoRouS enouGh :D

YOu have papErs TalkinG abOUt theiR newesT hybrId GenETIc memETIc EvoLuTionary
deeP SImuLated AnNealIng bullCrap algorithm gettiNG huNdreds of citatIonS.

 they don't offer a fare e stimate.
using  th ispr oces s Ihave saved mys e lf 1 00s of dollars in ride  fare s. 
~~~ ea stbay jake
>I  h a t e u si ng  ly ft be cause  th ey don' t offer afar eestimate.

W h er e are youusi ng these app s?In the  B ayA rea,I l ike L yft be t ter th an Uber
b ec a use Ly f t gives y ou  a s pecific fare butU be r  gives you a r ange.(F W IW , the reare many o th er re a sons Il ik e L yft better than U ber.)

---- - -
_ _Joker 
H owd oes cu stome rn eed  to counter actif he nee ds a t i me sens i tive ri de? Le tssay , In ee dtogo toA ir por t  at  time x.  N ei therI ca n b o ok e arl ierto
gu arantee a rid e n or c a n I  wait  outthesu rge.
~~~
m onort 
U se a transfer s ervi ce, which  of fe rspr e-ord e rs. Ub erislosingall mya irp or t r id es because they do n' t ha ve it.
~~~
Te M PO ra L 
They pr ob abl y do n ' t wan t it an yway. It 's mor e  p ro fitable  f or bot hUbe r a nd th e 
dri vers t o not ta ke su c h rides; in th e  time to andb ac k fr o m ai rpo rt they
cou ld t a ke s ever a lwit h in th e cit y. 
~ ~ ~
monort
If it's pr of itable  fora generic lim ousine tra n s f er servi ces, wh y  it's not
prof itabl e for Uber ?  Blackla ne se ems to b e profita b l e too.
~~~ 
sk imp yco m p il er
Logisticso f  pla nn ing all  th ose ord ers  an d r ide sis expens ive.

~~ ~Re tr ic 
So undsl ike a jo bfor  s oft ware. 
~~~
s kimpy comp il er It' d be in t er e s ting  t oseehow  s omeon e ha n dle s vehic le routin g p r oble mon  a
larg e scale, quic kl y and opti ma lly .

~~~ T eMPOraLIsn't that a solved pro b lem sin celiketheearly 70s ? E ven co mpu t ing po wer is 
notalim i t ing f a c to r n ow , only tho s e  pe sky h um ansbickeri ng about "centralp lan ning" and "de moc rati z a ti on" . 
~ ~~sk i mpy c o mpiler
Haha, so lved?

Put  i n  t he time wi n dow s,  put th e capac ity l i mits, p ut the pi ckup andde live r y 
(t his isn'tsame asjust deli v ery). 
I t's f arfrom s ol ved , and  far f r omeffic ient.Fi eld is n't e ve n mature  as
theoretical compute r scie nce,not  even rig oro u s e nough :D
You  have pape rstal kingabo u t the ir n e we sth ybrid  gen e tic memet i cevo l u ti onary
deeps i m ula ted a nne a ling b ullc rap algorithm get t ing hundreds o f ci t a tio ns. 
 they_don't offer_a fare estimate.

using this_process I_have_saved myself_100s_of dollars in_ride fares.

~~~
eastbayjake
> I_hate using lyft because_they don't offer_a_fare estimate.

Where are you using these apps? In the Bay Area, I like Lyft_better_than Uber
because_Lyft_gives_you a specific fare but_Uber gives you a range._(FWIW,
there are_many other reasons I like Lyft better than_Uber.)

------
__Joker
How_does customer need_to counteract if he needs a time sensitive ride?_Lets
say, I need to go to_Airport at time_x._Neither_I can book earlier_to
guarantee a ride nor can I_wait out the surge.

~~~
monort
Use a transfer_service, which offers pre-orders. Uber is losing_all my airport
rides because they don't_have it.

~~~
TeMPOraL
They probably don't want_it anyway._It's more profitable for both_Uber and the
drivers_to not_take such rides;_in the time to and back_from airport they
could_take several within the city.

~~~
monort
If it's_profitable_for a generic_limousine_transfer_services, why_it's not
profitable for_Uber?_Blacklane seems_to_be profitable too.

~~~
skimpycompiler
Logistics of planning all_those_orders and rides is expensive.

~~~
Retric
Sounds like a_job for software.

~~~
skimpycompiler
It'd be_interesting_to see how someone_handles vehicle routing problem on_a
large scale, quickly and optimally.

~~~
TeMPOraL
Isn't that_a solved_problem since_like the early 70s? Even computing power is
not a limiting factor_now, only those pesky humans bickering_about "central
planning" and "democratization".

~~~
skimpycompiler
Haha,_solved?

Put in_the_time windows, put_the_capacity limits,_put the pickup and delivery
(this isn't same_as just_delivery).

It's far from solved, and far_from efficient. Field isn't_even_mature as
theoretical computer science, not even_rigorous enough :D

You have papers talking_about their newest hybrid genetic_memetic_evolutionary
deep_simulated annealing bullcrap algorithm getting_hundreds of citations.
