
lanes, I want my horse lane.

~~~
inflatableDodo
I want the majority of the road network roofed with turf into a long hill with
occaisional exits, or lowered and moved completely underground.

~~~
bluGill
I've concluded the opposite: leave the cars where they are. What I want is a
separate pedestrian level to the city - a skyway system (though I'm fine with
it being underground). Let the humans walk in air conditioned comfort while
not cars to worry about. This is much cheaper than the underground roads.

~~~
inflatableDodo
How about air conditioned skyways for pedestrians in cities and underground
roads everywhere else?

~~~
bluGill
Underground roads are orders of magnitude more expensive, so it isn't worth
creating them (with some exceptions). With unlimited resources we could create
as many as we want, but I have better things to do with my time/money than
build roads.

Skyways are significantly cheaper than bridges. It would still be cheaper to
make the ground level of your city a building, but not having to support the
mass of cars and trucks means skyways can be significantly cheaper.

In the modern world trucks and buses are far too useful to ban completely from
cities where people live. People need their stuff delivered, and need to get
longer distances once in a while. Thus I'm saying reserve the ground for those
uses and get humans away from them. It is a compromise, but I think it is a
good one.

~~~
inflatableDodo
Not worrying about the humans in particular. Uncovered ground level roads are
just death traps and fencing them off is even worse in many ways.

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methodover
“Given New York’s lax enforcement record, the Freakonomics podcast described
running over pedestrians there as “the perfect crime.””

I was driving in Oakland when the car in front of me didn’t slow down for a
pedestrian in the crosswalk. The pedestrian disappeared in front of the car. I
stopped my car, got out, found the struck young woman trembling and bleeding
in the street.

The speed limit was 30 miles per hour. I don’t think the driver was going
quite that fast — maybe 20, 25 at most.

The woman driving
lanes, I want my horse lane. 

 ~~~ 
 inflatableDodo 
 I want the majority of the road net roof with turf into a farseeing hill with 
 occaisional exit, or lower and moved completely clandestine. 

 ~~~ 
 bluGill 
 I've conclude the opposite: exit the cars where they are. What I want is a 
 disjoined pedestrian level to the city - a skyway organization (though I'm all right with 
 it being underground). Let the world walk in air conditioned consolation while 
 not cars to worry about. This is much cheap than the underground roads. 

 ~~~ 
 inflatableDodo 
 How about air conditioned air lane for pedestrians in city and underground 
 roads everywhere else? 

 ~~~ 
 bluGill 
 Underground roads are order of magnitude more expensive, so it isn't worth 
 creating them (with some exceptions). With unlimited resource we could create 
 as many as we want, but I have better things to do with my time / money than 
 build roads. 

 air lane are importantly cheaper than bridges. It would still be bum to 
 make the ground level of your city a construction, but not having to support the 
 mass of cars and truck means skyways can be significantly cheaper. 

 In the modern world hand truck and buses are far too useful to ban wholly from 
 cities where multitude populate. People need their stuff delivered, and need to get 
 longer distance once in a while. Thus I'm saying reserve the ground for those 
 consumption and get homo away from them. It is a compromise, but I think it is a 
 full one. 

 ~~~ 
 inflatableDodo 
 Not worrying about the world in particular. uncover ground degree roads are 
 just end traps and fencing them off is even worse in many ways. 

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 methodover 
 “ Given New York ’s lax enforcement record, the Freakonomics podcast described 
 running over pedestrians there as “ the perfect crime. ” ” 

 I was driving in Oakland when the car in battlefront of me did n’t slow down for a 
 pedestrian in the crosswalk. The pedestrian melt in front of the car. I 
 barricade my car, got out, found the struck young woman trembling and bleeding 
 in the street. 

 The speed limit was 30 miles per hour. I do n’t remember the driver was rifle 
 quite that fast — possibly 20, 25 at most. 

 The womanhood driving

lanfs, I want my horse lane.

~~~
ikflatableDodo
I wcbt the majorjty of tfe road network roofed with vurf into a long hill with
occairional expts, or loqerev and moved completely ukbergrkmnd.

~~~
blbGmll
I've concludec the oppovite: leave the cxrd where they are. What I want is a
se[arate lefestrian level to uhe citg - a skyway system (though I'm fine sith
it ueing undergroumd). Let the humans walk in wir fonditioned comforh while
not xars ro worry abojt. This is much cheapet than the underground roads.

~~~
inflxtablzDodo
How abiur alt conditionev skywwys for pedestrians hn citirs and undergrpunv
roaes everywhere else?

~~~
bluJill
Underground roadf are ordara of magnitude moee expetsiva, so ut ksn'u wprfh
creahinj them (with some exceprions). With unlimitec wvxources we ckuld cwewte
as many as we want, but I have better thjngs to do with my time/noney than
build roads.

Dkyways awe significantly cheaper than bridges. It would sthll bx zhecicr tu
nane the ground level of your city a building, btf mon having to suppovt the
mass of cars ajd jrucks means syyways cah be significantly cheapet.

In thw modern rorlc trucks and buses are far roo useful tj ban completely frlm
cities whzre pepple kive. People need their rtufr delivered, and need go get
longer disganbes mnce in a while. Thus I'm saring resecve tke grouna fot those
tses and gft humans away from them. It id d compromide, but I think it is a
good one.

~~~
iihlatableDodo
Npt wogrying abjut tme humans in pawticular. Uncovgred grouud levdl roads age
just deeth traps anq fencing thek off is even worse ig maby wqys.

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methuaover
“Given New York’s laq tnforcemenr record, the Freakpnoojcs podcast desexived
running over peaeserpanx evere as “the [erfdct vrime.””

K was drivikg kn Oskland when the car hn fdont of me didn’t skor down fir a
pedeftrian in the crosswalk. The pedtstriai disa'pearec ig front of the car. I
stopped my car, got lut, found the serucj young womau trembling and bleeding
in the street.

The speed limit was 30 niles per hour. I dou’t think the vriver was goinc
quite that fast — matbe 20, 25 at most.

The eoman driving
lanes, I want my horse lane. ~~~ want majority of road network roofed hill occaisional exits, or and moved completely ~~~ bluGill I've concluded the opposite: the cars where they are. What I want is a separate pedestrian level the city - a skyway system (though I'm fine with it being underground). the walk air comfort while not cars to worry about. This is much cheaper than the underground roads. ~~~ How about air conditioned skyways for pedestrians in and underground roads everywhere ~~~ bluGill Underground roads are of more expensive, it worth them (with some With unlimited resources we could create as many as we want, but I have better things to with my build roads. are cheaper bridges. It would cheaper to make the ground level a building, but not having to support the of cars trucks means skyways can be significantly In the modern world trucks and buses are too useful to ban completely from cities where people live. People need their stuff delivered, to get longer distances in a while. I'm reserve ground those uses get humans away from them. It is a compromise, but I it is a good one. ~~~ inflatableDodo Not worrying about in Uncovered ground level are just death traps fencing off is even worse ways. methodover lax record, Freakonomics podcast described running pedestrians there as “the perfect I was driving in front of me didn’t slow down for a in the crosswalk. The pedestrian disappeared in of the car. I stopped my car, got out, found the struck woman trembling in the street. The speed limit was 30 per hour. I don’t the driver was going quite that fast — maybe 25 most. The driving

lanes, I want my horse lane.

~~~
inflAtableDodo
i want The MajOrIty oF the Road network rooFEd wiTh turf into a long hill witH
occaIsIOnal EXiTs, or lOwered aND mOVEd cOmPlEteLy UNdErgroUnd.

~~~
BluGill
i've concludEd tHe Opposite: leavE ThE cars where TheY are. What I wanT is A
separAtE peDEstriAn lEvel tO the ciTY - a skywAy system (tHoUGh I'm fiNE with
it BEInG undErground). Let the humANs WAlk in air conditIoned cOmFOrT WHilE
noT cars to worRy About. tHis is muCH cHEAPer THan the undergrOund roads.

~~~
inFLatAbleDoDo
how ABout aiR condItIOneD skyways for PedeStrians in Cities ANd underGRound
roAds eveRywHerE elsE?

~~~
BlUGIll
unDErgROuNd rOAds Are orderS oF mAgnitUde mORE EXpenSivE, so iT isn't Worth
creating TheM (witH SomE excePtionS). WitH uNlimiTed resOurceS wE could create
as mAny aS we want, buT I hAvE beTtEr thiNGs to do WitH my Time/monEy than
bUIld RoADS.

skYways are significanTlY CHeAper than BridgeS. it WoULd still bE cHeaPer tO
MAke thE groUNd Level of yOur citY A bUiLding, buT nOt haviNg To sUppOrt thE
Mass Of cars And truckS meanS Skyways can be siGNificantly cheAPeR.

iN tHE modErn World trucks And bUSes aRe faR ToO usEFul to Ban coMpLEtELy from
cities where peOpLe live. peoplE need their stuFf delivereD, AND need to gEt
loNGeR Distances once iN a whiLe. Thus I'm saYIng reserVe the Ground foR those
useS ANd get humAns AwaY frOm tHEM. IT is a compromisE, BUt I tHiNk it is a
GooD one.

~~~
infLatAblEDoDo
NOt Worrying aBout the hUmAnS iN pArtIculaR. uncovereD gRouNd LevEl roaDS are
juSt deaTh trApS aND feNcing thEM oFF Is evEn WoRse iN maNy Ways.

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mEthoDOveR
“Given NEw York’s laX enFOrceMeNt Record, tHe FreakonomicS pOdcast descRiBed
RunninG OVer pedesTrians there as “the perfect CRime.””

I waS drIving In OaKland when The Car in fRonT Of me diDn’t sloW down FoR a
pEDEstriAN In The CrOsswalk. The PEDesTrian DiSappEared in Front of the car. I
stopPEd mY car, got out, fouNd tHe stRUCk YouNG wOMan TrEMblING and bleeding
in tHe street.

ThE sPEeD limit was 30 mILes PeR hour. I dOn’t thinK the dRIver was Going
quitE that fast — MaYbe 20, 25 aT MOst.

the woman drIving

lanes, I want my horse la ne.

~~~
i nflat abl eDo do 
I w antthe majority o f  the  road network roofed w ith t ur f  int o  a  long  hill w i th o cca is io nal  e x it s, or  lo wered a nd moved c omp le tely undergr o un d.

~~~
bl uGi ll
I've conc lud ed the  o ppo s ite:lea ve th e cars wherethey are.  W h at I w a nt is a s ep arat e pedestrian leve l  t o  the city - askyway  s y st e m  (t hou gh I'm fin ewithi t being un d e r gro u nd). Let thehumans walk inair co nd iti o ned co mfort  w h ile 
not cars t o wo rry about . This is much cheaper  thanthe  un derg r ou nd  ro ad s .
~ ~~ 
in f lat ableDodo 
H ow  abou t ai r c o ndit ion ed s kyway s for pedestr ian s in cit ies a nd un derg ro und
r oads e veryw he re else?

~~~
b luGi ll
Underg rou nd  ro ad s are orders  of  ma gnitude  more e x pen si v e ,  s o it isn't worth
c re a t in g them ( with s o me  e x ceptions ).  Wi th u n l imite d re s ou rces wecouldc re at e
as ma ny  as we  w ant , b ut Ih avebetter  thingsto do with my time/m o ney than
buil d  r o a ds . 

Sk ywa ys are sign ific a ntly  che a pe r t h an br idges .I tw ould still be cheap er  to
ma ke th e ground leve l of yourc i t y a buil ding ,  b u t not having t o sup port the
m a ss of ca rs an d trucks  means sk y w ays canbesig nif ica n t ly  cheaper.

In t he m od ern wor ldtrucksand  bu ses  ar efar too u seful to  b an  c om ple telyf rom
citi es  wh er e p eople live.Peopl e ne ed  t h eir  stuffd el i v ered ,an d ne edto  getlong e r d istance s once in  aw hile .Th us I'msaying reserv ethe ground  f orthoseu s es and g et humans away from the m . It is  acompr omis e, but Ithi nk itisa 
goodone.
~~~
i nf lat a b leDod o No t w or rying abou t the  huma ns  inparticu lar. Uncovered gro u ndlevel roads a rejust d ea tht ra p s a nd fen c i ng them off iseven worse  i n  m any ways.--- -- -
metho dover
“ Given New Yor k’s lax e nforcemen treco r d , t he Freakon omics po dcast des c ribed ru nning  ov er ped es tri ans t here a s  “t he pe rfectcr ime.”” 

I w as  driving  in Oakland when the ca r in f rontofme didn’t  sl o w d own for a 
ped estrian in  th e c rossw alk .  Thepede s tr ian disap pear e d in fron t  o f t h e  c ar. I
stopp e d mycar,got out, f ound  the struck young woman tremblin g an d ble edi n g
in  t he street.

Th e s pe e d  limit w as  30 miles p er hour.  I don’t  think  the d river w a s  g o ing
qu itetha t fast —may be 20, 25at  m o st.

T he w om an dri ving

lanes, I_want my_horse lane.

~~~
inflatableDodo
I want the_majority of_the_road network_roofed_with turf into_a long hill_with
occaisional exits, or lowered_and moved completely_underground.

~~~
bluGill
I've_concluded the opposite: leave the cars where they are. What I want is a
separate_pedestrian_level to_the_city_- a skyway system (though_I'm fine with
it being underground)._Let the_humans walk in air conditioned comfort while
not cars_to_worry about. This_is much cheaper than the underground roads.

~~~
inflatableDodo
How about air_conditioned skyways for pedestrians in cities_and underground
roads everywhere_else?

~~~
bluGill
Underground_roads_are orders of magnitude_more expensive, so it isn't worth
creating_them (with some exceptions). With unlimited_resources we could create
as many as we_want, but I have better things_to do with my time/money_than
build roads.

Skyways_are significantly cheaper than bridges._It would still_be cheaper_to
make the ground_level of your city a building,_but not having_to support the
mass of cars and_trucks_means skyways can_be_significantly_cheaper.

In the_modern world trucks_and_buses are_far_too useful to ban completely from
cities_where_people live. People need their stuff delivered,_and need to get
longer_distances_once in a while._Thus I'm saying reserve the_ground for those
uses and get humans_away from_them. It_is a compromise, but I think it is a
good one.

~~~
inflatableDodo
Not worrying_about the humans in particular. Uncovered_ground level roads are
just_death traps_and_fencing them off_is_even worse_in many ways.

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methodover
“Given New York’s lax enforcement_record, the_Freakonomics podcast described
running over pedestrians there_as “the perfect crime.””

I_was_driving in Oakland when the car_in front of me didn’t slow_down for a
pedestrian in the_crosswalk._The_pedestrian disappeared in front of_the car. I
stopped my car, got_out, found the_struck young woman trembling and bleeding
in the_street.

The_speed limit was 30 miles per_hour._I don’t think the driver was_going
quite_that_fast — maybe 20, 25_at most.

The woman driving