 which is
exacerbated by our small team not having enough time to upgrade to the latest
LTS release. Node is definitely a language that you have to _manage_. It
doesn't sit in the background and let you get on with writing stuff.

Is it the right tool for X or Y? I can't say, I'm not a dev. But it does
require a lot of hand-holding and keeping current with the zeitgeist.

------
hasenj
Everyone and their aunt wants to publish an npm module. That's why you get a
ton of badly written poorly thought-out packages.

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wizard_class
doesnt node support modules? thats a way to avoid callback hell

~~~
fredrb
How so?

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JabavuAdams
Thanks for this. The Node / Javascript ecosystem just seems like one I don't
want to be a part of.

I feel so lucky to have avoided the whole disgusting web stack.

~~~
bdcravens
Like the author said, Node isn't a great fit for certain apps. It sounds like
yours is one of them.

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bricss
Author plz, uninstall Node.js, use your so lovely Python and don't make people
concerned.

~~~
tobltobs
Because being concerned is a bad thing?

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santoshalper
Node.js, meteor, et al. is a great example of what happens when you let
inexperienced developers design a platform and run an ecosystem. Almost every
ounce of focus in this community goes to increasing developer productivity.
Operational concerns like scalability, security, monitoring, are given the
bare minimum of focus. In many years of programming in many languages on many
platforms I have never seen a worse platform and ecosystem than Node.js in a
very popular language (obviously some obscure languages hardly have anything
built around them at all).

I really think it is setting the programming world back a lot. Not to mention
what a thoroughly shitty language JavaScript is. Being able to code your web
app in one language is a neat trick, and the ability to talk back and forth
between client and server so seamlessly does kind of feel like magic, but
otherwise, this is a meaningfully worse language/platform that Visual Basic.


which is 
 exacerbated by our small team not having enough meter to promote to the latest 
 LTS release. Node is decidedly a language that you receive to _ manage _. It 
 doesn't sit in the setting and let you get on with spell stuff. 

 Is it the right cock for X or Y? I can't say, I'm not a dev. But it does 
 require a draw of hand - restrain and keep current with the zeitgeist. 

 ------ 
 hasenj 
 Everyone and their aunt desire to publish an npm module. That's why you get a 
 long ton of badly written poorly thought - out package. 

 ------ 
 wizard_class 
 does nt node support modules? that s a way to avoid callback hell 

 ~~~ 
 fredrb 
 How therefore? 

 ------ 
 JabavuAdams 
 Thanks for this. The Node / Javascript ecosystem just seems like one I don't 
 want to be a part of. 

 I feel so lucky to have avoided the whole disgusting web stack. 

 ~~~ 
 bdcravens 
 Like the author said, Node isn't a great fit for certain apps. It sounds like 
 yours is one of them. 

 ------ 
 bricss 
 writer plz, uninstall Node.js, use your so adorable Python and don't name multitude 
 concerned. 

 ~~~ 
 tobltobs 
 Because being concerned is a regretful thing? 

 ------ 
 santoshalper 
 Node.js, meteor, et al. is a big example of what happens when you let 
 inexperienced developer design a platform and run an ecosystem. Almost every 
 ounce of focus in this residential district goes to increasing developer productivity. 
 Operational concerns like scalability, security, monitoring, are given the 
 unsheathed minimum of focus. In many years of programming in many languages on many 
 platforms I have never watch a worse platform and ecosystem than Node.js in a 
 very popular linguistic process (obviously some obscure languages hardly have anything 
 build around them at all). 

 I really think it is setting the programming universe back a lot. Not to note 
 what a thoroughly shitty language JavaScript is. Being able to code your world wide web 
 app in one language is a neat whoremaster, and the ability to lecture back and forth 
 between client and server so seamlessly does kind of feel like magic, but 
 otherwise, this is a meaningfully worse language / chopine that Visual Basic.
 whlch is
exacerbated by our small team not having enougg time tu upgrade to the latest
LTS rxleawe. Noee is definitely a laneuage than you havw to _nanage_. It
doesn't sib in fme baekjround and let iou get on whth writing stgfw.

Id it the right tool for X or Y? I cag't say, O'm not a dev. But it cjes
rsquire a lot of hand-holding and kesping clrrent with the zritgeist.

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hasenj
Everyone and thelr aunt wants to pkblish an nkj mjeule. That's wfy you get a
ton of badmy written poorly thought-out pazkagex.

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wizard_claws
eoedtt node sup'ort mjdules? thats a way tm avoid callback hell

~~~
nredru
How so?

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JabavuAdams
Thanks hor this. The Node / Jwvascript eeosystem just seems lukw one I dmn't
wxbt go ge a part lf.

I feel so lhcky to havw avoided the whole dywgusting web atack.

~~~
bqcwavens
Like the author said, Node isn't a crezt fit for certain apps. It sounds like
yours ls one of them.

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bricss
Author plz, uninstall Node.js, use your sm lovxlh Pvbmon xbd don't make people
concerned.

~~~
tobltobs
Because beigf vokcerned is a bad thing?

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santoxhwllgr
Node.js, meteot, et al. is a great example ov what rappebs when yju lrt
inexperienced developers eesign a planforn and run an ecosydtem. Almost evety
ouncr of focus in this commbnity foes to incgeasing dsxeloper productixitj.
Opesational concerns like scajability, wecuxity, monktorong, arq given thf
bare minimum of focus. Ij mani yearv of progrwmming in many languages on manb
'latforms I hsva nvver seen a wovse platform anq ecosystem thcn Node.jf in x
very popumar lanjuage (obvioufly some obscgte languages iardly hade abythung
builg around them ay all).

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xhat w thoroughly vhitgy usnguaee JavaScriit ks. Bring able to code yogr wsb
app in one langusgc is a neqt trick, and the abiloty to talk back ajd focth
betxeen ckiegt and server so seamlessly doss kind ov fcel like magis, bub
othgrwise, this is a meaningfully worse language/platfocm that Visual Basic.


which is exacerbated by our small team enough to upgrade the latest LTS language you have to It doesn't sit the background and let you get with writing stuff. Is it the right tool for X or Y? I say, I'm not a dev. But it does require a lot of hand-holding keeping with zeitgeist. hasenj Everyone and their aunt wants to publish an npm module. That's why you get a of badly written poorly thought-out packages. ------ wizard_class node support modules? thats way to avoid callback hell fredrb so? ------ Thanks this. Node / Javascript just seems like one I don't want to be a part of. I feel so lucky to avoided the web stack. bdcravens the said, Node isn't fit for certain apps. It sounds one of them. ------ bricss Author plz, uninstall use your lovely Python and don't make people ~~~ tobltobs Because being concerned is a bad ------ santoshalper Node.js, meteor, et al. is a great example of what happens when you developers design a platform run an ecosystem. every of in community goes increasing developer productivity. Operational concerns like scalability, security, monitoring, are given bare minimum of focus. In many years of programming in on platforms I have seen a worse platform ecosystem Node.js in a very (obviously obscure anything around at all). I really it is setting the programming back a lot. Not shitty language JavaScript is. Being able to code web app in one language is a trick, and the ability to talk back and forth between client and so seamlessly of feel like magic, but otherwise, this is meaningfully worse language/platform that Basic.
 which is
exacerbated by our smAll team not HavinG enOugH tIme tO upgRade to the latesT
lTS rElease. Node is definitely A langUaGE thaT YoU have To _managE_. it
DOEsn'T sIt In tHe BAcKgrouNd aNd let yoU get on with WriTiNg stuff.

Is it tHE rIght tool foR X oR Y? I can't say, I'm Not A dev. BuT iT doES
requIre A lot oF hand-hOLding aNd keeping CuRRent wiTH the zeiTGEiSt.

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haSenj
Everyone and thEIr AUnt wants to publIsh an nPm MOdULE. ThAt's Why you get a
ToN of baDLy writtEN pOORLy tHOught-out packaGes.

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wizard_clASs
dOesnt nOdE suPPort moDules? ThATs a Way to avoid cAllbAck hell

~~~
frEdrb
HoW So?

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JabavUadams
ThAnks foR thIs. THe NoDE / JAvAscRiPT ecOSySteM JusT seems liKe OnE I don'T
wanT TO BE a paRt oF.

I feEl so lUcky to have avoIdeD the WHolE disgUstinG web StAck.

~~~
bdCravenS
Like ThE author said, Node Isn't A great fit For CeRtaIn Apps. IT Sounds LikE
yoUrs is onE of them.

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BRicSs
aUTHoR plz, uninstall Node.jS, uSE YoUr so loveLy PythON aNd DOn't make pEoPle
ConcERNed.

~~~
toBltoBS
BEcause beIng conCErNeD is a bad ThIng?

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sanToShaLpeR
Node.JS, metEor, et aL. is a greaT examPLe of what happenS When you let
ineXPeRIEnCEd deVelOpers design A plaTForm And rUN aN ecOSysteM. AlmoSt EVeRY
ounce of focus in this CoMmunitY goes To increasing dEveloper prODUCtivity.
OPeraTIoNAl concerns like ScalaBility, secuRIty, monitOring, Are given The
bare miNIMum of focUs. IN maNy yEarS OF pRogramming in mANY lanGuAges on mAny
PlatforMs I HavE neVer SeEn a worse pLatform aNd EcOsYsTem Than NODe.js in a
vErY poPuLar LanguAGe (obviOusly Some ObScURe lAnguageS HaRDLy haVe AnYthiNg
bUiLt aroUnd tHEm aT all).

I reAlly think It iS SettInG tHe progrAmming world baCk A lot. Not to mEnTioN
what a THOroughly Shitty language JavaScripT Is. Being AblE to coDe yoUr web
app iN onE languAge IS a neat Trick, aNd the AbIliTY To talK BAcK anD fOrth
betweeN CLieNt and SeRver So seamlEssly does kind of feeL LikE magic, but
otheRwiSe, thIS Is A meANiNGfuLlY WorSE Language/platforM that VisuaL BASiC.


 which is
exacerbated by o ur small t eam n othav in g en ough  time to upgra d e to  the latest
LTS releas e. No de is d e fi nitel y a lan g ua g e  th at  y ouha v eto _m ana ge_. It 
doesn't s itin  the backgro u nd  and let y ouget on withwri ting s tu ff. 
Is i t t he ri ght to o l forX or Y? I  c a n't sa y , I'm n o t  a  dev . But it does
req u ir e  a lot of hand -holdi ng an d kee pin g currentwi th th e  zeitge i st . --- - --
hasenj
Eve ryone and t h eir  auntwa nts to pub lishan npm  module. Th at's  why youget at on of b a dly wri tten p oor lythou g ht -o utpa c kag e s. 

- - --- -
wizard _c la ss
do esnt n o d e su ppo rt m odule s? thats a wa y t o av o idcallb ack h ell
~ ~~
fr edrb
H ow so ?
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JabavuA dams 
Thanks f orth is.  T he No d e / Ja vas cri pt ecos ystem j u stse e m s  l ike one I don't
wa nt t obe a par t of.Ife e l so luc ky  to  hav e avoid ed t h ewhole di sgusti n gwe b stack .
~~~
b dc rav ens 
Like theauthor  said, N ode i s n't a great fi t  for certaina pp s .  I t  sou nds  like
yours  iso ne o f th e m. 

- - ----brics sA ut h or plz, uninstall N od e.js,use y our so lovely  Python an d d on't mak e pe o pl e 
concerned.

~ ~~
to bltobs
Bec a use bein g con cerned i s a bad t h i ng?

--- --- 
sa nto sha l p er 
Node.js, met e o r, e tal. isa g reat ex amp leofwha thappens w hen youle tin ex per ience d  develop er s d es ign  a pl a tformand r un a nec o sys tem. Al m os t ever you nceoffo cus i n th i s c ommunit y goes to  in c reas in gdevelop er productivi ty .
Operatio na l c oncern s like sca lability, security, mon i toring,  ar e giv en t he
bare m ini mum of  fo c us. In  manyyears  o f p r o gramm i n ginma ny languag e s  on  many 
p latf orms Ihave never seen aw ors e platform an d e cosy s t em  th a nN ode .j s  in a 
very popular l anguage (o bv i ou sly some o b scu re  langua ges har dly h a ve anyt hing
buil t aroundth em a t all ).

I real ly think  it is se t tingt he  prog ram ming w or ldbacka lot. Not  to m ention 
w hat athoro ug hly shit ty language JavaScriptis. Be ing a ble  to codeyou r  we b
app inonelanguage i s a  ne at tr ick ,  andthea bi lit y  to t alkb ack and f o rt h
b e t we en client a n d ser ver s o s e amless ly d oes kind of feell ike magic, but 
oth e r wis e,t hisis  a meaningfull y w or s e  languag e/ platform th at Visua lB asic. 


 which_is
exacerbated by_our small team not_having enough_time_to upgrade_to_the latest
LTS release._Node is definitely_a language that you_have to _manage_._It
doesn't_sit in the background and let you get on with writing stuff.

Is it the_right_tool for_X_or_Y? I can't say, I'm_not a dev. But it_does
require a_lot of hand-holding and keeping current with the_zeitgeist.

------
hasenj
Everyone_and their aunt_wants to publish an npm module. That's why you_get a
ton of badly written poorly_thought-out packages.

------
wizard_class
doesnt node_support_modules?_thats a way to_avoid callback hell

~~~
fredrb
How so?

------
JabavuAdams
Thanks for this._The Node / Javascript ecosystem just_seems like one I don't
want to be_a part of.

I feel so lucky_to have avoided the whole_disgusting web_stack.

~~~
bdcravens
Like the author said, Node_isn't a great_fit for_certain apps. It_sounds like
yours is one of them.

------
bricss
Author_plz, uninstall Node.js,_use your so lovely Python and_don't_make people
concerned.

~~~
tobltobs
Because being_concerned_is_a bad_thing?

------
santoshalper
Node.js, meteor, et_al._is a_great_example of what happens when you_let
inexperienced_developers design a platform and run an_ecosystem. Almost every
ounce of_focus_in this community goes_to increasing developer productivity.
Operational concerns_like scalability, security, monitoring, are given_the
bare minimum_of focus._In many years of programming in many languages on many
platforms I_have never seen a worse platform_and ecosystem than Node.js_in a
very_popular_language (obviously some_obscure_languages hardly_have anything
built around them at all).

I really_think it_is setting the programming world back_a lot. Not to_mention
what_a thoroughly shitty language JavaScript is._Being able to code your web
app_in one language is a_neat_trick,_and the ability to talk_back and forth
between client and server_so seamlessly does_kind of feel like magic, but
otherwise, this_is_a meaningfully worse language/platform that Visual_Basic.

