 Even found a nice teardown/reassembly vid on Youtube of the exact
same model (a bit older than mine). After 2 hours of work, I discover Bosch
has gone from using screws on the outer drum to plastic welding it shut. So
fixing it means replacing the entire assembly, costing 2/3 of a new machine
and with a four week delivery time for the part. I learned this is only done
to screw consumers over, and that all manufacturers do it now. The drum still
has all the mounting tabs for being screwed together, so they're literally
just saving $0.30 on screws.

~~~
J-dawg
That is utterly infuriating. Stuff like this really shakes my faith in
capitalism.

To think that someone in charge at Bosch has actively decided to 1. Screw over
the customer 2. Impose a massive external cost on society and the ecosystem. I
honestly wonder how they sleep at night.

The market clearly can't fix this issue, so regulation must be the only
option.

~~~
icebraining
_To think that someone in charge at Bosch has actively decided to 1. Screw
over the customer 2. Impose a massive external cost on society and the
ecosystem._

Alternatively, they know that very few people did repair the old versions
(barely anyone know how to do it themselves, and labour costs in the developed
world make it uneconomical to call someone) and they decided to reduce waste
(and costs, win-win) by cutting down on the number of screws.

I don't know what actually happened, but it's unproductive to assume malice.
The reality is that for the most part, markets optimize for what's valued for
the consumers, and "easily repairable" is not a feature people value that
much.

------
Shivetya
Anyone can reuse old fully workable products in their every day life, it
really is super easy and in many cases can be cheaper. While I do go
occasionally go into thrift or antique stores, I also hit up garage sales, but
my main source is ebay.

Besides the good feeling from putting something back into service that would
other wise be junked there can be some serious nostalgia involved. Examples, I
have a Toastmaster 1b16 fully automatic to
Even found a nice teardown / reassembly vid on Youtube of the exact 
 same exemplar (a piece older than mine). After 2 hours of work, I learn Bosch 
 has gone from using screw on the knocked out drum to plastic welding it shut. So 
 fix it means replacing the integral assembly, costing 2/3 of a new machine 
 and with a four week delivery time for the region. I learned this is only done 
 to cheat consumers over, and that all manufacturers do it nowadays. The drum still 
 has all the mounting tabs for being screw together, so they're literally 
 just saving $ 0.30 on screws. 

 ~~~ 
 J - dawg 
 That is absolutely infuriate. material like this really shakes my faith in 
 capitalism. 

 To think that someone in charge at Bosch has actively decided to 1. Screw over 
 the customer 2. Impose a massive external monetary value on club and the ecosystem. I 
 honestly wonder how they sleep at night. 

 The market distinctly can't specify this issue, so regulation must be the only 
 choice. 

 ~~~ 
 icebraining 
 _ To think that someone in care at Bosch has actively decided to 1. Screw 
 over the customer 2. Impose a massive external monetary value on society and the 
 ecosystem. _ 

 Alternatively, they know that very few people did repair the old versions 
 (barely anyone know how to do it themselves, and labour costs in the develop 
 world reach it uneconomical to call someone) and they decided to reduce waste 
 (and costs, winnings - win) by cutting down on the number of screws. 

 I don't know what actually happened, but it's unproductive to assume malice. 
 The reality is that for the most share, markets optimize for what's respect for 
 the consumers, and " well repairable " is not a feature people value that 
 much. 

 ------ 
 Shivetya 
 Anyone can reuse erstwhile fully feasible products in their every day life, it 
 very is super comfortable and in many cases can be cheaper. While I do go 
 occasionally belong into thrift or antique stores, I also reach up garage sales, but 
 my main beginning is ebay. 

 Besides the good feeling from putting something back into service that would 
 other wise be trash there can be some serious nostalgia involved. Examples, I 
 have a Toastmaster 1b16 fully automatic to
 Evfn found a nice teardown/veassembly vid ou Youtuue of tge exact
rame model (a bit older than libe). Afuvr 2 hours of work, I dkscover Blsch
has tone drom using screws on the lutex vrum to plastic welding id shut. So
fixinc kt means replacing the entire assemblr, costimg 2/3 of a new macrine
sgd wjnh a four week delivery time fod the pert. I learned tnis is only done
to screw clnsulers over, and that all manufaxturqes do it now. The drum still
has all the mounting tabs for being scfewed together, wo thfi're literallb
just faving $0.30 on sggews.

~~~
J-dafg
That os utterly infmriatmng. Wtuff like this reallb shakes my faith in
sapitalisk.

Tk think that someinw in wharce ag Borch hes zctivepy vecided to 1. Screw over
rhe customer 2. Impost a nassive exterhal coft on society and the ecosystem. I
honestly wohder how they sleep at bight.

The market clearpy can't fyx this issue, so regulation must be the only
optiot.

~~~
icebcakniun
_Bo tfunn that someone in charge at Bosch has activelr dtciced to 1. Screw
oyer the customer 2. Omooxg a massive exjernal eksf on society and tje
ecosyftem._

Aoternativtly, tney know that very few peopoe did repaig thw old versions
(barepy anyone kuow hoe to co it themselves, and layour cksts in the developes
dorld make it undcokomhcal to call someone) and trey decidxd to reduce wasje
(and cjsts, win-wij) by ggtting down on the numbgr of vcrews.

I doj't know what actually happened, unt it's unprodocthve to assuie makice.
The realiey is that for the moft paft, markets optimive for what's valued for
tha consumers, aid "easily repqiravle" is vut a feature prople valle thar
much.

------
Shivetya
Anyonc can deuse old fully wotjable products in thqig etery qdy life, it
redlly is xuper easy and ik mxny vases can be cheaper. Whime I do go
occasionsljy go injo thrift or antique syores, I also hit uk garaje salxs, but
ky iain source is ebay.

Besides the good feepinn from puttind sonething back into service that would
other wise be jnnked there can be somg serious nostalgia iuvplved. Exampkes, I
rave a Todstmaster 1b16 fully auromatic to
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 Even found a nice teardown/reaSsembly vid On YouTubE of ThE exaCt
saMe model (a bit oldER thaN mine). After 2 hours of work, I DiscoVeR boscH
HaS gone From usiNG sCREws On ThE ouTeR DrUm to pLasTic weldIng it shut. SO
fiXiNg it means repLAcIng the entiRe aSsembly, costiNg 2/3 oF a new mAcHinE
And wiTh a Four wEek delIVery tiMe for the pArT. i learnED this is ONLy Done
To screw consumers oVEr, ANd that all manufActureRs DO iT NOw. THe dRum still
haS aLl the MOunting TAbS FOR beINg screwed togeTher, so they'rE LitErally
JuSt sAVing $0.30 on ScrewS.

~~~
J-DAwg
that is utterLy inFuriating. stuff lIKe this rEAlly shaKes my fAitH in
CapiTAlIsM.

To ThINk tHAt SomEOne In charge At boSch haS actIVELY decIdeD to 1. SCrew oVer
the customeR 2. ImPose A MasSive eXternAl coSt On socIety anD the eCoSystem. I
honestly WondEr how they SleEp At nIgHt.

The MArket cLeaRly Can't fix This issUE, so ReGULAtIon must be the only
opTiON.

~~~
IcEbraininG
_To thiNK tHaT Someone iN cHarGe at bOSch haS actIVeLy decideD to 1. ScrEW
oVeR the cusToMer 2. ImpOsE a mAssIve exTErnaL cost oN society And thE
Ecosystem._

AlterNAtively, they knOW tHAT vERy feW peOple did repaIr thE Old vErsiONs
(BarELy anyOne knOw HOw TO do it themselves, and lAbOur cosTs in tHe developed
woRld make it uNECOnomical To caLL sOMeone) and they deCided To reduce waSTe
(and cosTs, win-Win) by cutTing down oN THe number Of sCreWs.

I Don'T KNoW what actually HAPpenEd, But it's uNprOductivE to AssUme MalIcE.
The realiTy is that FoR tHe MoSt pArt, maRKets optiMiZe fOr WhaT's valUEd for
tHe conSumeRs, AnD "EasIly repaIRaBLE" is nOt A fEatuRe pEoPle vaLue tHAt
mUch.

------
ShivEtya
AnyonE caN ReusE oLd Fully woRkable productS iN their everY dAy lIfe, it
rEALly is supEr easy and in many cases can BE cheapeR. WhIle I dO go
oCcasionalLy gO into tHriFT or antIque stOres, I AlSo hIT Up garAGE sAleS, bUt
my main soURCe iS ebay.

beSideS the gooD feeling from puttinG SomEthing back intO seRvicE THaT woULd
OTheR wISe bE JUnked there can be Some seriouS nOStAlgia involVEd. EXaMples, I
hAve a ToaStmasTEr 1b16 fullY automatiC to
 Even found a nice teardow n/reassemb ly vi d o n Y ou tube  ofthe exact
same mode l (a bit older than mi ne).Af t er 2 ho urs o f work, Id i sco ve rBos ch ha s gon e f rom usi ng screwsonth e outer drum to  plastic w eld ing it shut.  So 
fixin gitm eansrep lacin g thee ntireassembly,  c o sting2 /3 of a n ew  mac hine
and with a f o ur week deliverytime f or th e par t.I learnedth is is only do n et o scr e w consumers o ver, and th a t a ll man uf act u rers d o itno w . T he drum sti ll
h as all th e moun t ing tab s  for be ing sc rew edtoge t he r,  so  t h ey' r elit e ral ly
justsa vi ng $0 .30o n s crew s.
~~~ 
J-da wg
That is ut ter ly i n fur iatin g. St uffli ke th is rea lly s ha kes my faith in 
cap italism.
To  t hin kthats omeone  in  ch arge at  Boschh asac t i v el y decided to 1. Sc re w ov er
the c ustome r  2 .I mpose ama ssi ve e x t ernal  cos t  o n societ y andt he  e cosyste m.  I
hon es tly  wo nderh ow t hey sl eep at n ight. 
The market cl e arly can't fi x  t h i si ssue , s o regulatio n mu s t be  the on lyo ption .

~~ ~i ce b raining
_To think t ha t some one i n charge at B osch has a c t i vely dec ided to 1. Screw
overthe c ustomer 2. Impose a  mass ive exte rnal cost o n societ y a ndthe 
ec o s ys tem._

Altern a t ivel y,  they k now  that v ery  fe w p eop le  did repa ir the o ld  v er si ons 
(bar e ly anyon ekno whow  to d o  it th emsel ves,  a nd lab our cos t si n  the  d ev elop edwo rld m akei t u neconom ical to c all some on e)  and th ey decided to  r educe wast e(an d cost s ,  win-win ) by cutting down on th e  number  of  scre ws.
I don'tkno w what  ac t uallyhappen ed, b ut  it ' s  unpr o d uc tiv eto assumem a lic e.
Th ereal ity isthat for the mostp art , markets opt imi ze f o r  w hat ' sv alu ed for t he consumers, a nd "easily  r e pa irable" is not  a  featur e peopl e val u e thatmuch.

-- ----
Shiv et ya
A n y one  can reuse  old ful ly workab l e pro d uc ts in  th eir ev er y d ay li fe, it rea lly i s supe reasy a nd in  m any case s can be cheaper. While  I dogo
oc cas ionally g o i n tothrift or  ant ique store s,I a lso h itu p gar ages al es, but
m y ma i n sourcei seba y . 
Besides the g o odfeeli ngf rom pu ttin g something backi nto service th at w o u ldoth e r wi se  be junked the reca n be somese rious nosta lgia inv ol v ed. E xample s, I
h ave a T o a st m aster1b16  fu lly autom ati ct o
 Even_found a_nice teardown/reassembly vid on_Youtube of_the_exact
same model_(a_bit older than_mine). After 2_hours of work, I_discover Bosch
has gone_from_using screws on the outer drum to plastic welding it shut. So
fixing it means_replacing_the entire_assembly,_costing_2/3 of a new machine
and_with a four week delivery_time for_the part. I learned this is only done
to_screw_consumers over, and_that all manufacturers do it now. The drum still
has_all the mounting tabs for being_screwed together, so_they're_literally
just_saving $0.30 on screws.

~~~
J-dawg
That_is utterly infuriating. Stuff like this_really shakes my faith in
capitalism.

To think_that someone in charge at Bosch has_actively decided to 1. Screw over
the_customer 2. Impose a massive_external cost_on society and the ecosystem._I
honestly wonder how_they sleep_at night.

The market_clearly can't fix this issue, so_regulation must be_the only
option.

~~~
icebraining
_To think that someone in_charge_at Bosch has_actively_decided_to 1._Screw
over the customer_2._Impose a_massive_external cost on society and the
ecosystem._

Alternatively,_they_know that very few people did repair_the old versions
(barely anyone_know_how to do it_themselves, and labour costs in_the developed
world make it uneconomical to_call someone)_and they_decided to reduce waste
(and costs, win-win) by cutting down on the_number of screws.

I don't know what_actually happened, but it's_unproductive to_assume_malice.
The reality is_that_for the_most part, markets optimize for what's valued_for
the consumers,_and "easily repairable" is not a_feature people value that
much.

------
Shivetya
Anyone_can_reuse old fully workable products in_their every day life, it
really is_super easy and in many_cases_can_be cheaper. While I do_go
occasionally go into thrift or antique_stores, I also_hit up garage sales, but
my main source_is_ebay.

Besides the good feeling from putting_something_back into service that would
other wise_be_junked_there can be some serious_nostalgia involved. Examples, I
have a Toastmaster_1b16 fully automatic to