, and should be similarly protected.

Moreover, consider that the second process may remove a need to use the
organic carbon precursors necessary for chemical synthesis (fossil fuels), or
eliminates a toxic by-product of chemical synthesis, or is much cheaper and
therefore reduces the cost of the compound, benefiting the public. These are
real world consequences of synthetic biology protected by the patent system.
They don't seem so scary to me.

~~~
shmerl
In general I find the patentability of medicines a very abused practice.
Pharma industry is one of the most corrupted, and especially when it comes to
patents. So your example serves do disprove your point.

~~~
daughart
At least I have provided clear arguments. You have continued to make
assertions (such as pharma being corrupted with respect to patents) without
any kind of proof or even a clear argument as to why this is the case. I
suggest you consider not taking any drug developed under or protected by US
patent law in protest.

~~~
shmerl
Well, many don't just consider - but simply can't take them. Because of the
price, controlled by those who acquired the patent. When life saving medicine
becomes a business for the sake of money - that's already bad.

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frozenport
I can live with this: As a general rule of thumb nature isolated is not
patentable, Synthetic is.

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chris_wot
You can make synthetic DNA?!?

~~~
archgoon
Yes. This has been around for several decades. Furthermore, you can request
companies on the internet to synthesize sequences for you and mail you the
results.

(First result from google)

[http://www.invitrogen.com/](http://www.invitrogen.com/)

Wikipedia Article

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gene_synthesis](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gene_synthesis)

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dnautics
interesting side effect - prokaryotic genes are basically unpatentable!!

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Fuxy
Yes! Finally some forward progress. Still needs work though.

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gridmaths
sweeeet... sanity prevails!

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furconit
, and should be similarly protected. 

 Moreover, consider that the second process may absent a motivation to use the 
 organic carbon precursor necessary for chemical synthesis (fossil fuels), or 
 rule out a toxic by - intersection of chemical synthesis, or is a lot bum and 
 therefore abridge the cost of the compound, benefit the populace. These are 
 real world consequence of synthetic biology protect by the patent system. 
 They don't seem so chilling to me. 

 ~~~ 
 shmerl 
 In general I find the patentability of medicine a very abused practice. 
 Pharma diligence is one of the most corrupt, and especially when it comes to 
 patents. therefore your example serves do disprove your point. 

 ~~~ 
 daughart 
 At least I have provided clear arguments. You have continued to make 
 assertions (such as pharma being corrupted with respect to patents) without 
 any kind of proof or even a clear argument as to why this is the case. I 
 propose you consider not taking any drug modernize under or protect by US 
 patent law in protest. 

 ~~~ 
 shmerl 
 Well, many don't just study - but plainly can't take them. Because of the 
 price, see by those who acquired the patent. When life saving medicine 
 becomes a business for the sake of money - that's already regretful. 

 ------ 
 frozenport 
 I can live with this: As a general rule of thumb nature isolated is not 
 patentable, Synthetic is. 

 ------ 
 chris_wot 
 You can make synthetic deoxyribonucleic acid? !? 

 ~~~ 
 archgoon 
 Yes. This has been about for several decades. Furthermore, you can request 
 companies on the internet to synthesize sequences for you and mail you the 
 results. 

 (First result from google) 

 [ http://www.invitrogen.com/](http://www.invitrogen.com/) 

 Wikipedia Article 

 [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gene_synthesis](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gene_synthesis) 

 ------ 
 dnautics 
 interesting slope effect - prokaryotic genes are basically unpatentable! ! 

 ------ 
 Fuxy 
 Yes! Finally some forward advancement. Still needs work though. 

 ------ 
 gridmaths 
 sweeeet... sanity prevails! 

 ------ 
 furconit
, anf should be similarly prutected.

Moreover, considxr that the secund process may remove a neev to use uke
organic carbon prezursors nvcessary dor rhemical synthesma (fossil fuela), or
enmminates a toxig by-product of chemical sfnghzsis, or is much cheaper and
therefore reducex hhe cost of thg comkougd, bsnefiting the public. These are
real world bonsequences of sunthetic biology protected by hhe patent system.
Tjey don't segj sj scary to me.

~~~
rhmerl
In gtnzral I find the patentability of medicines a vexy abused ptcxtifg.
Pharma induwtry ps one of the most cosrupted, and especialln whei it comes to
patents. So ymur example serves do disprmvz your point.

~~~
daughart
Ar oeast I hdve oeovkdes rlezr argkmeits. You havs continued to make
assertions (xusy as pharma bsing cjrwupted with respect to patents) without
aty iind of proof or even a clear argument as to why this is the case. I
suggest you consider not taking any drug aevtliped jbdfr or protected by US
patent law in protest.

~~~
shmqdl
Eekl, many don't jmst consider - but xilpki can't take thgm. Becabae of the
price, contrllled bi thosw who acqtirec the patent. When life savibg medicine
bvcomws a business for che sake of oonei - thay's already bad.

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frozenporc
I can live with hhis: As a eeneral rule of ghukb nature isolated is not
patqntable, Sbnthecic is.

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chfis_wpt
You san make sjnthebhc DNA?!?

~~~
archgoon
Yes. Hhis kas baen around for several decades. Furthermorx, you can reqoesd
cokpanies jn thc internet to srnthesize sequgnces for you xnd mail yku the
rxsults.

(First wesult from gmlgle)

[http://www.iivitrogen.som/](hrtp://wqw.invitfugen.com/)

Wikipedoa Articlv

[hutp://en.wikipwdia.org/wiki/Artificlal_gevs_synthesis](http://eu.cijipedia.org/wiki/Attiwicyap_gxne_sygdhesis)

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dnautiws
ingerdxting side effecb - oroksryotic genes are bavicamly unpatentable!!

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Fucy
Nes! Finaloy some sorward progrrss. Still needs wogk thmugi.

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gridmsthf
sweeeet... sanity prevails!

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furconjt
, and should be similarly protected. Moreover, the process may a need to necessary chemical synthesis (fossil or eliminates a by-product of chemical synthesis, or is cheaper and therefore reduces the cost of the compound, benefiting the public. These real world consequences of synthetic biology protected by the patent system. They don't so to ~~~ In general I find the patentability of medicines a very abused practice. Pharma industry is one the most corrupted, and especially when it comes patents. So your example do disprove your point. ~~~ At I have clear You continued to make (such as pharma being corrupted with respect to patents) without any kind of proof or even a argument as this is case. suggest consider not taking developed under or protected by US protest. ~~~ shmerl Well, many don't just consider but simply take them. Because of the price, by those who acquired the patent. When life medicine becomes a business for the sake of money - that's already bad. ------ frozenport live with this: As general rule of nature is patentable, is. ------ You can make synthetic DNA?!? ~~~ archgoon Yes. This has been for several decades. Furthermore, you can request companies on the synthesize for you and you the results. (First from [http://www.invitrogen.com/](http://www.invitrogen.com/) Wikipedia Article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gene_synthesis](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gene_synthesis) interesting effect are unpatentable!! Fuxy Yes! Finally some progress. Still needs work though. gridmaths sweeeet... sanity prevails!
, and should be similarly proteCted.

MoreovEr, conSidEr tHaT the SecoNd process may reMOve a Need to use the
organic carBon prEcURsorS NeCessaRy for chEMiCAL syNtHeSis (FoSSiL fuelS), or
EliminaTes a toxic bY-prOdUct of chemicaL SyNthesis, or iS muCh cheaper and
TheRefore ReDucES the cOst Of the CompouND, benefIting the pUbLIc. ThesE Are
real WORlD conSequences of syntheTIc BIology protecteD by the PaTEnT SYstEm.
THey don't seeM sO scarY To me.

~~~
shmERl
iN GEneRAl I find the patEntability oF MedIcines A vEry ABused pRactiCe.
pHarMa industry iS one Of the most CorrupTEd, and esPEcially When it ComEs tO
patENtS. SO yoUr EXamPLe SerVEs dO disprovE yOuR poinT.

~~~
dauGHART
At lEasT I haVe proVided clear argUmeNts. YOU haVe conTinueD to mAkE
asseRtions (Such aS pHarma being corruPted With respeCt tO pAteNtS) withOUt
any kInd Of pRoof or eVen a cleAR arGuMENT aS to why this is the casE. I
SUGgEst you coNsider NOt TaKIng any drUg DevElopED Under Or prOTeCted by US
Patent LAw In Protest.

~~~
ShMerl
WeLl, ManY doN't jusT ConsIder - buT simply cAn't taKE them. Because of THe
price, controLLeD BY tHOse wHo aCquired the pAtenT. when Life SAvIng MEdiciNe
becOmES a BUsiness for the sake of MoNey - thaT's alrEady bad.

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frozenPort
I can liVE WIth this: AS a geNErAL rule of thumb naTure iSolated is nOT
patentaBle, SyNthetic iS.

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chris_wot
yOU can make SynTheTic dNA?!?

~~~
ARChGoon
Yes. This haS BEen aRoUnd for sEveRal decaDes. furTheRmoRe, You can reqUest
compAnIeS oN tHe iNternET to synthEsIze SeQueNces fOR you anD mail You tHe
ReSUltS.

(First rESuLT From GoOgLe)

[htTp://wWw.InvitRogeN.Com/](Http://www.InvitrogeN.coM/)

wikiPeDiA ArticlE

[http://en.wikipeDiA.org/wiki/ArTiFicIal_genE_SYnthesis](Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARTificiaL_geNe_synThesIs)

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dnauticS
inTerestIng SIde effEct - proKaryoTiC geNES are bASIcAllY uNpatentablE!!

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fUxy
yes! FiNaLly sOme forwArd progress. Still neEDs wOrk though.

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gridMatHs
swEEEeT... saNItY PreVaILs!

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fURConit
, and should be similarlyprotected. 

Mor eov er,  c onsi derthat the secon d  pro cess may remove a need  to u se theo rg aniccarbonp re c u rso rs  n ece ss a ry  forche mical s ynthesis ( fos si l fuels), or el iminates a  to xic by-produ ctof che mi cal synth esi s, or  is mu c h chea per and
t he r eforer educest h ecost  of the compound, be n efiting the pu blic.Th e se a rerea l world co ns equen c es of s y nt h e t icb iology protec ted by thep ate nt sys te m.T hey do n't s ee m  so  scary to m e.
~~~
shmer l
In g e neral I find th e pate nta bil ityo fme dic in e s a ve rya bus ed pract ic e. 
Phar ma i n d u s tryisoneof th e most corrup ted , an d  es pecia lly w henit  come s to
p atent s.  So your exampl e se rves do d isp ro veyo ur po i nt.

~ ~~dau ghart
A t least I h av e p ro vided clear argume nt s .  Y ou havecontin u ed  t o  make
as se rti ons( s uch a s ph a rm a beingcorrup t ed  w ith res pe ct topa ten ts)  with o ut
a ny kin d of pro of or even a clear a r gument as tow hy t hi s  isthe  case. I
su gges t  you  con s id ern ot ta kingan y  d r ug developed underor  prote ctedby US
patentlaw in pro t e s t.

~~~shme r lW ell, many don' t jus t consider - but si mplycan't ta ke them.B e cause of  th e
p ric e,c o nt rolled by tho s e  who  a cquired  th e paten t.Whe n l ife  s aving med icine
be co me sabus iness for thesa keof  mo ney - that's  alre adyba d. 
-- ----
fr o ze n p ortIca n li vewi th th is:A s a  genera l rule of  th u mb n at ur e isola ted is not
pa te ntable, Sy nt het ic is. ------
c hris_wot
You can make s y nthetic  DN A?!?
~~~ 
archgoon 
Ye s. Thi s h a s been  aroun d for  s eve r a l dec a d es . F ur thermore,y o u c an re qu estcompani es on the internet tosynthesize se que nces f or  yo u  a n d m ai l  yo u the
results.

( First resu lt fr om google) 
[h tt p://www .invitr ogen. c om/](ht tp://www. invitroge n. com/ ) 
Wi kipedia Ar ticle

[ http://en . wikip e di a.org /wi ki/Art if ici al_ge ne_syn t hes is](h ttp:// en .wikip edia. or g/wiki/A rtificial_gene_synthesi s)

-- ----dna utics
int ere s tin g side ef fect  - prokary oti c g enesare basic ally un pat e ntabl e!!------
Fu x yYes ! Fi nally somef o r war d pro gre s s. Sti ll n eeds work though. 
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gridma thss w eee et. . . sa ni ty prevails!
--- -- - furconit 
, and_should be_similarly protected.

Moreover, consider that_the second_process_may remove_a_need to use_the
organic carbon precursors_necessary for chemical synthesis_(fossil fuels), or
eliminates_a_toxic by-product of chemical synthesis, or is much cheaper and
therefore reduces the cost of_the_compound, benefiting_the_public._These are
real world consequences of_synthetic biology protected by the_patent system.
They_don't seem so scary to me.

~~~
shmerl
In general I_find_the patentability of_medicines a very abused practice.
Pharma industry is one of_the most corrupted, and especially when_it comes to
patents._So_your_example serves do disprove_your point.

~~~
daughart
At least I have provided_clear arguments. You have continued to_make
assertions (such as pharma being corrupted with_respect to patents) without
any kind of_proof or even a clear_argument as_to why this is the_case. I
suggest you_consider not_taking any drug_developed under or protected by US
patent_law in protest.

~~~
shmerl
Well,_many don't just consider - but_simply_can't take them._Because_of_the
price, controlled_by those who_acquired_the patent._When_life saving medicine
becomes a business for_the_sake of money - that's already bad.

------
frozenport
I_can live with this:_As_a general rule of_thumb nature isolated is not
patentable,_Synthetic is.

------
chris_wot
You can make synthetic DNA?!?

~~~
archgoon
Yes._This has_been around_for several decades. Furthermore, you can request
companies on the internet to_synthesize sequences for you and mail_you the
results.

(First result from_google)

[http://www.invitrogen.com/](http://www.invitrogen.com/)

Wikipedia Article

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gene_synthesis](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gene_synthesis)

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dnautics
interesting_side_effect - prokaryotic_genes_are basically_unpatentable!!

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Fuxy
Yes! Finally some forward progress. Still needs_work though.

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gridmaths
sweeeet..._sanity prevails!

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furconit