 doing all this OSS work out of the goodness of their collective
heart? Corporations are about making money, while that goal and OSS happen to
align we'll get open source from Microsoft. The second it stops being
strategically relevant: bye-bye.

~~~
ppseafield
I think the article takes issue with "Microsoft loves Linux" as a blanket
term, where it's more like "Microsoft loves† Linux‡"

(† supports in only a very specific way because of losing to Linux on the
server side.)

(‡ Linux as used only for servers. Linux as a desktop OS can still get bent,
and we're trying to get devs to abandon it when working on code that deploys
to Linux servers.)

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SimianLogic2
I used cygwin to do web development circa 2007/2008\. It was a huge pain in
the ass and one of the main reasons I switched to Macs. I've been back on
Windows for a couple of years now using WSL and it's been pretty great. I'm
excited for that integration to get even tighter with WSL2.

The broad categories I use professionally are office crap, web dev, and
creative tools. Macs used to suck at the first and rule the last two, but
they've really fallen behind in the last few years. The new macbook pro looks
like a good machine, but I switched to a gaming laptop to get a better GPU and
64gb of RAM. This (2-year-old) machine does everything I need it to do and I'm
now at a point where Macs are going to have to do something pretty spectacular
to get me to switch back (or have Windows screw up in a comparable way to what
Apple has done the last few years).

What's the point of all this? I think this article misses the boat pretty
badly on who Micrsoft's talking to when it says it loves linux. It's talking
to web devs like me who work and deploy to linux, not software philosophers
who want to debate the meaning of free. From my point of view, they're doing
great right now.

~~~
thom
Could you describe your workflow with WSL?

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JeremyNT
Data point: MS teams disables all of Teams' A/V features for
doing all this OSS work out of the goodness of their corporate 
 affection? Corporations are about making money, while that finish and OSS find to 
 align we'll get open reservoir from Microsoft. The second it barricade being 
 strategically relevant: bye - bye. 

 ~~~ 
 ppseafield 
 I think the article takes issue with " Microsoft sleep together Linux " as a blanket 
 term, where it's more like " Microsoft loves† Linux‡ " 

 († supports in entirely a very specific direction because of losing to Linux on the 
 server side .) 

 (‡ Linux as used only for waiter. Linux as a desktop OS can still perplex bent, 
 and we're trying to get devs to abandon it when work on code that deploys 
 to Linux servers .) 

 ------ 
 SimianLogic2 
 I used cygwin to do web growth circa 2007/2008\. It was a huge pain in 
 the ass and one of the main reasons I switched to Macs. I've been back on 
 Windows for a couple of years now using WSL and it's been pretty great. I'm 
 excited for that integration to get even tighter with WSL2. 

 The broad categories I use professionally are agency crap, web dev, and 
 creative cock. macintosh use to suck at the first and rule the last two, but 
 they've really fallen behind in the last few class. The new macbook pro looks 
 like a good machine, but I switched to a gaming laptop to catch a better GPU and 
 64 gb of RAM. This (2 - year - old) car does everything I want it to serve and I'm 
 now at a point where Macs are going to have to serve something pretty spectacular 
 to get me to throw back (or have Windows screw up in a comparable way to what 
 Apple has done the final few years). 

 What's the point of all this? I remember this article misses the gravy boat pretty 
 badly on who Micrsoft's talking to when it says it sleep together linux. It's talking 
 to web devs like me who work and deploy to linux, not software philosophers 
 who want to argue the meaning of free. From my point of view, they're doing 
 great right now. 

 ~~~ 
 thom 
 Could you describe your workflow with WSL? 

 ------ 
 JeremyNT 
 Data detail: MS teams disables all of Teams' angstrom / V features for
 dolng all this OSS work ouu of the goodness of themr collsctive
hexrt? Corporations are about mekint montj, while that goal and OSS happvn to
aligb we'oo get open source nxom Mjgrosoyt. The second it stops beitg
strategicallf fepevant: bye-bye.

~~~
ppseafield
I think the wrticle twkes issue witr "Mibrjsoff loves Linux" as a blanket
term, whede it's kore like "Mictosoft loves† Linux‡"

(† supportd in only a very specivic way becquse if losing to Linux on uhz
server sidg.)

(‡ Linux as used only for servers. Linur as a deskjol LV can still get fent,
and we're trying do get cevs to abandok it xhen working on code that deploys
to Linux sgrvers.)

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SimidnMogic2
I used cygwib ro do web devdoopoenu cmrcz 2007/2008\. It aas a huge pajn in
the asw and one of the maon grasons I swifched eo Macs. I've been back on
Windows for a coukle or years now using WSL abd it's been pretty grgat. I'm
excieed for that integration to get even tighter with WSL2.

Tie briaq xahegories I use professionally are office crap, sen cev, and
creativc tools. Macs used yo sisk at the firrt and rume the last two, buh
they've realoy fallen behond in the last few years. Tye new macbojj pro looks
like a yood machine, but I swotched to a gaming laptup tk get a bether GPU aha
64gb of RAM. This (2-heag-old) machine does everything I need it vo do and I'm
vow st a pjint where Macs are going to have ho do smmething pgetty spectacular
to get me to sxmtch back (or naee Findows fcrew up in a compwrable way to chat
Applz has aone the lzst few years).

What's the point of wll this? I tiink this artucle misses ghe boat prettu
badly on who Micrsift's talking to whcn it aays it loves lnuuz. It's talking
to wec dqvd kiha me who worn ana ddlloy go linux, nob suftwsre philosophers
who fant to debate the meamikg of freg. From my point of viee, they're doing
greau righv now.

~~~
tiom
Coukd iou describe your workflow with WSL?

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JeremjNT
Qata point: MF teqms disables all of Teams' A/V features for
doing all this OSS work out of of collective heart? are about making OSS to align we'll open source from The second it stops being strategically bye-bye. ~~~ ppseafield I think the article takes issue with "Microsoft loves Linux" a blanket term, where it's more like "Microsoft loves† Linux‡" († supports in a specific because losing to Linux on the server side.) (‡ Linux as used only for servers. Linux as desktop OS can still get bent, and we're to get devs to it when working on code deploys Linux servers.) SimianLogic2 used to do web circa 2007/2008\. It was a huge pain in the ass and one of the main reasons I to Macs. back on for couple years now using it's been pretty great. I'm excited to get even tighter with WSL2. The broad I use are office crap, web dev, and tools. Macs used to suck at the first rule the last two, but they've really fallen behind in the last few years. The pro looks like a machine, but I to gaming to a better and 64gb of RAM. This (2-year-old) machine does everything I need to do and I'm now at a point where Macs to to do something spectacular to get me switch (or have Windows screw a way has the few years). What's the of all this? I think article misses the boat talking to when it says it loves linux. talking to web devs like me who and deploy to linux, not software philosophers who want to debate the of free. point of view, they're doing great right now. thom Could you describe workflow with WSL? ------ JeremyNT Data point: MS teams all Teams' A/V for
 doing all this OSS work out of tHe goodness Of theIr cOllEcTive
HearT? Corporations aRE aboUt making money, while that Goal aNd osS haPPeN to
alIgn we'll GEt OPEn sOuRcE frOm mIcRosofT. ThE second It stops beiNg
sTrAtegically reLEvAnt: bye-bye.

~~~
pPseAfield
I think The ArticlE tAkeS Issue WitH "MicrOsoft lOVes LinUx" as a blanKeT
Term, whERe it's moRE LiKe "MiCrosoft loves† Linux‡"

(† SUpPOrts in only a verY speciFiC WaY BEcaUse Of losing to liNux on THe
serveR SiDE.)

(‡ lInuX As used only for Servers. LinuX As a DesktoP Os caN Still gEt benT,
aND we'Re trying to gEt deVs to abandOn it whEN workinG On code tHat depLoyS
to linuX SeRvErs.)

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siMIanlOgIc2
I USed Cygwin to Do WeB deveLopmENT CIrca 2007/2008\. it wAs a hUge paIn in
the ass and One Of thE MaiN reasOns I sWitcHeD to MaCs. I've bEen baCk On
Windows for a coUple Of years noW usInG WSl aNd it's BEen preTty GreAt. I'm
excIted for THat InTEGRaTion to get even tightEr WITh wSL2.

The brOad catEGoRiES I use proFeSsiOnalLY Are ofFice CRaP, web dev, aNd
creaTIvE tOols. MacS uSed to sUcK at The First ANd ruLe the lAst two, buT
they'VE really fallen bEHind in the last FEw YEArS. the nEw mAcbook pro loOks
lIKe a gOod mAChIne, BUt I swItcheD tO A gAMing laptop to get a betTeR GPU anD
64gb of rAM. This (2-year-olD) machine doES EVerythinG I neED iT To do and I'm
now at A poinT where Macs ARe going tO have To do someThing pretTY SpectacuLar
To gEt mE to SWItCh back (or have WINDows ScRew up in A coMparablE waY to WhaT
ApPlE has done tHe last feW yEaRs).

whAt's The poINt of all tHiS? I tHiNk tHis arTIcle miSses tHe boAt PrETty
Badly on WHo mICrsoFt'S tAlkiNg tO wHen it Says IT loVes linuX. It's talkiNg
tO Web dEvS lIke me whO work and deploY tO linux, not sOfTwaRe philOSOphers
whO want to debate the meaning OF free. FrOm mY poinT of vIew, they're DoiNg
greaT riGHt now.

~~~
tHom
CouLd you DeScrIBE your WORkFloW wIth WSL?

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JereMYnT
DAta poInT: MS tEams disAbles all of Teams' A/V fEAtuRes for
 doing all this OSS work o ut of thegoodn ess  of  t heir  col lective
heart? Corp orations are about mak ing m on e y, w h il e tha t goala nd O SSha pp ento al ign w e'l l get o pen source  fr om  Microsoft.T he  second it  st ops being
st rat egical ly  re l evant : b ye-by e.

~~ ~ 
ppsea field
I t hi n k thea rticlet a ke s is sue with "Microso f tl oves Linux" as  a bla nk e tt e rm,  wh ere it's m or e lik e  "Micro s of t l ove s † Linux‡"

(†  supports i n  on ly a v er y s p ecific  waybe c aus e of losing  toLinux onthe
se r ver sid e .)

(‡Linuxasuse d on l yfo r s er v ers .  L inu x  as  a deskt op  O S can  sti l l g et b ent ,
an d we' re trying toget  dev s  to  aban don i t wh en  work ing on  code  t hat deploys
toLinu x servers .)
- --- -- 
Simi a nLogic 2
I  us ed cygw in to d o  we bd e v el opment circa 2007/ 20 0 8 \.  It wasa huge pa in in
the a ss  an d on e of th e ma i nreasonsI swit c he dto Macs .I've b ee n b ack  on
W i ndow s fora couple  of y e ars now usingW SL and it's b e en p re t ty g rea t. I'm
exci tedf or t hati nt egr a tionto ge te ve n  tighter with WSL2. 
The br oad c ategories I u se profess i o n ally are  off i ce crap, web dev,  andcreative t o ols. Mac s use d to suc k at thef i rst andrul e t helas t tw o, but
they'v e real ly  fallen  be hind in  th e l ast  fe wyears. Th e new ma cb oo kpr o l ooksl ike a go od  ma ch ine , but I swit chedto a  g am i nglaptopt og e t abe tt er G PUan d
64g b of RAM . This(2-year-o ld) mach in edoes ev erything I ne ed  it to doan d I 'm
now a t a poin t where Macs are goingt o havetodo so meth ing prett y s pectac ula r 
to ge t me t o swi tc h b a c k (or h av e W in dows screw u p i n a c om para ble way  to what
Apple has don e the last fe w y ears ) . 
Wha t 's the  p o int o f all this? I t hink thisar t ic le missest hebo at pret ty
badl y onw ho Micr soft's ta lking towh en i t say s it loves  linux.It's talk i ng
to we b dev s l ike me  w howorkand de p loy  to l inux,no t soft wareph ilosophe rs
who want to debate t he mea ningoffree. Fro m m y  po int of vi ew,they're do ing 
gr eat r igh t  now. 

~~ ~ 
t hom Could  you describey ou r w o r kf low with WS L ? 
-- ----Jer e myNT
D atapoint: MS teams d i sables all ofTeam s '  A/ V f e atur es  for
 doing_all this_OSS work out of_the goodness_of_their collective
heart?_Corporations_are about making_money, while that_goal and OSS happen_to
align we'll get_open_source from Microsoft. The second it stops being
strategically relevant: bye-bye.

~~~
ppseafield
I think the article takes_issue_with "Microsoft_loves_Linux"_as a blanket
term, where it's_more like "Microsoft loves† Linux‡"

(†_supports in_only a very specific way because of losing_to_Linux on the
server_side.)

(‡ Linux as used only for servers. Linux as_a desktop OS can still get_bent,
and we're trying_to_get_devs to abandon it_when working on code that deploys
to_Linux servers.)

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SimianLogic2
I used cygwin to do_web development circa 2007/2008\. It was a_huge pain in
the ass and one_of the main reasons I_switched to_Macs. I've been back on
Windows_for a couple_of years_now using WSL_and it's been pretty great. I'm
excited_for that integration_to get even tighter with WSL2.

The_broad_categories I use_professionally_are_office crap,_web dev, and
creative_tools._Macs used_to_suck at the first and rule_the_last two, but
they've really fallen behind in_the last few years._The_new macbook pro looks
like_a good machine, but I_switched to a gaming laptop to_get a_better GPU_and
64gb of RAM. This (2-year-old) machine does everything I need it_to do and I'm
now at a_point where Macs are_going to_have_to do something_pretty_spectacular
to get_me to switch back (or have Windows_screw up_in a comparable way to what
Apple_has done the last_few_years).

What's the point of all this?_I think this article misses the_boat pretty
badly on who Micrsoft's_talking_to_when it says it loves_linux. It's talking
to web devs like_me who work_and deploy to linux, not software philosophers
who_want_to debate the meaning of free._From_my point of view, they're doing
great_right_now.

~~~
thom
Could_you describe your workflow with_WSL?

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JeremyNT
Data point: MS teams disables all_of Teams' A/V features for