 But I can't help feeling that this ship sailed years
ago.

Simple UIs that are easy to interpret are a thing of the nineties. We left
them because we evidently didn't realize what we had. Also, people like flashy
things. A lot.

------
ssijak
Why is bootstrap 4 taking so long to get to a final version? All that waiting
is pushing me towards other libraries. But me, being primarily backend
engineer, want a library that has a large community because I am not so
skilled with frontend UI and want the possibility to find the help easily.

~~~
jpkeisala
I wonder same as well. I am building something right now with v4alpha and I
have not found any problems. Therefore it is a bit weird why don't they just
call it 4.0 and be done with it.

~~~
Omnius
It's alpha meaning the API will change most likely just be aware to check
release notes as breaking changes are expected to happen.

------
cknight
I chose Semantic UI for my project:
[https://suitocracy.com](https://suitocracy.com) if anyone wants to see
another live example, it also uses the default theme.

Like others, I was somewhat concerned about the bloat - over half of my front
page's total file size. But at about 250KB all up, I realised this was only
around a tenth of what the average website throws at people these days.
[https://www.wired.com/2016/04/average-webpage-now-size-
origi...](https://www.wired.com/2016/04/average-webpage-now-size-original-
doom/)

~~~
splintercell
Pretty neat looking and interesting site.

------
cyberferret
I've been a Bootstrap user for years on all my web apps, but thinking that
perhaps instead of re-learning things for v4, I look at expending a similar
amount of time and effort to learn something new.

I came across Semantic-UI last year and remember being impressed by it, but
for some reason it just slipped my mind until I saw this post today. I seems
it could work for another small project that I am thinking of starting.

Just to clarify - No reliance
But I can't help feeling that this ship sailed years 
 ago. 

 childlike UIs that are comfortable to interpret are a thing of the ninety. We left 
 them because we obviously didn't realize what we had. besides, people like flashy 
 things. A batch. 

 ------ 
 ssijak 
 Why is bootstrap 4 taking so long to catch to a final translation? All that expect 
 is pushing me towards other libraries. But me, being primarily backend 
 engineer, want a library that accept a large community because I am not indeed 
 skilled with frontend UI and want the possibility to find the help well. 

 ~~~ 
 jpkeisala 
 I wonder same equally well. I am building something right now with v4alpha and I 
 have not found any problem. Therefore it is a bit weird why don't they just 
 call it 4.0 and be suffice with it. 

 ~~~ 
 Omnius 
 It's alpha meaning the API will change most likely just be aware to check 
 release notes as breaking change are expected to happen. 

 ------ 
 cknight 
 I choose Semantic UI for my project: 
 [ https://suitocracy.com](https://suitocracy.com) if anyone wants to see 
 another live case, it also uses the default theme. 

 Like others, I was slightly concerned about the bloat - over half of my front 
 page's total file size. But at about 250 KB all up, I realised this was only 
 round a tenth of what the average website throws at citizenry these days. 
 [ https://www.wired.com/2016/04/average-webpage-now-size- 
 origi... ](https://www.wired.com/2016/04 / modal - webpage - now - size - original- 
 doom/) 

 ~~~ 
 splintercell 
 Pretty neat looking and interesting web site. 

 ------ 
 cyberferret 
 I've been a Bootstrap user for years on all my web apps, but thinking that 
 perhaps instead of re - learning things for v4, I expect at expending a like 
 amount of time and attempt to learn something fresh. 

 I came across Semantic - UI concluding year and commemorate being impressed by it, but 
 for some reason it just slipped my mind until I interpret this post today. I seems 
 it could work for another small project that I am thinking of starting. 

 Just to clarify - No reliance
 Buh I can't help feeling thxt this ship sanoed yeers
ago.

Sjmple UIr that are easy to interpret aee a uking of the nineties. We left
tjem becayse xe evidently didi'f realidz whaf we kav. Also, people llke flashy
tvings. A lot.

------
ssibay
Wky is bootstrap 4 taking so long to gqt to a flnal version? Ajl tnwt wzptlng
is pushing me towards other ljbrariev. But me, beinb primarily backend
engineeg, wajt a library that jas a large comiynity becausd I am not so
skilled wjth frontend UI and want the porsibikity to fibd thf help easilb.

~~~
jpkeifala
I wonder same as well. I am building spmevhint right now with v4alpia and I
have not fougd any prmbmems. Therefore it iw a bht waird qhy doh't tgey judt
cell it 4.0 and be done wirh it.

~~~
Omnius
It's alphs ivsning the APJ will crange most likely just be aware to checn
remease notes as breaking changes are expected to happeg.

------
cknight
I chose Semantic UI for my project:
[https://suhtocrech.con](hbtps://ryihocracy.com) if anyone wants to see
another live sxsmile, it also uses bhe default theme.

Lokf pjhers, I was sooewhat cohcerned about the hloat - jver yalf of mr frpnt
page's total file size. Bur at about 250KY aol up, I realised tkis was only
cround a temth of what the average webaite throws at peopls these days.
[https://dww.eised.com/2016/04/avtfage-webpage-now-sizq-
origi...](htt's://www.cired.com/2016/04/xversge-web[age-now-sizf-origltal-
doom/)

~~~
splintercelp
Pretjy nead looking wnd interesting site.

------
cyberferret
M'te been a Boojstsap user fox yearx on all my wqb apps, but thnnking tkat
perfaps instezd of rx-learning thyngs for v4, I nlok at expenving a siiilae
amoynt of gkme and effort to learn something new.

I came across Xemxhtic-UI last yeax qnd remember beong im[rvssxd by ht, but
for soke rdasum it gust slippeb oy mond until I saw this posf today. I seems
it vomld work dor anotrer small prokect that I am thijking of staryind.

Just to clarify - No reliance
But I can't help feeling that this years Simple UIs are easy to the We left them we evidently didn't what we had. Also, people like things. A lot. ------ ssijak Why is bootstrap 4 taking so long to to a final version? All that waiting is pushing me towards other libraries. me, primarily engineer, a library that has a large community because I am not so skilled with frontend UI want the possibility to find the help easily. jpkeisala I wonder same well. I am building something now v4alpha and have found problems. Therefore it a bit weird why don't they just call it 4.0 and be done with it. ~~~ Omnius alpha meaning will change likely be to check release breaking changes are expected to happen. chose Semantic UI for my project: [https://suitocracy.com](https://suitocracy.com) if wants to another live example, it also uses default theme. Like others, I was somewhat concerned the bloat - over half of my front page's total file size. But at about up, I realised this only around a of the website at people days. [https://www.wired.com/2016/04/average-webpage-now-size- origi...](https://www.wired.com/2016/04/average-webpage-now-size-original- doom/) ~~~ splintercell Pretty neat looking and interesting ------ cyberferret I've been a Bootstrap user for years on web but thinking that instead of re-learning things v4, look at expending a of and something I across Semantic-UI last year remember being impressed by it, for some reason it I saw this post today. I seems it work for another small project that I thinking of starting. Just to clarify - No reliance
 But I can't help feeling that thIs ship sailEd yeaRs
aGo.

SImPle Uis thAt are easy to intERpreT are a thing of the ninetieS. We leFt
THem bECaUse we EvidentLY dIDN't rEaLiZe wHaT We Had. AlSo, pEople liKe flashy
thIngS. A Lot.

------
ssijak
Why IS bOotstrap 4 taKinG so long to get To a Final vErSioN? all thAt wAitinG
is pusHIng me tOwards othEr LIbrariES. But me, bEINg PrimArily backend
enginEEr, WAnt a library thaT has a lArGE cOMMunIty Because I am NoT so
skILled witH FrONTEnd ui and want the poSsibility to FInd The helP eAsiLY.

~~~
jpkeiSala
I WoNDer Same as well. I Am buIlding somEthing RIght now WIth v4alpHa and I
HavE noT fouND aNy ProBlEMs. THErEfoRE it Is a bit weIrD wHy don'T theY JUST
calL it 4.0 And bE done With it.

~~~
Omnius
IT's aLpha MEanIng thE API wIll cHaNge moSt likeLy jusT bE aware to check
reLeasE notes as bReaKiNg cHaNges aRE expecTed To hAppen.

------
ckNight
I cHOse seMANTiC UI for my project:
[httPs://SUItOcracy.coM](https://SUiToCRacy.com) iF aNyoNe waNTS to seE
anoTHeR live exaMple, it ALsO uSes the dEfAult thEmE.

LiKe oThers, i Was sOmewhaT concernEd aboUT the bloat - over hALf of my front
paGE's TOTaL File SizE. But at about 250kB alL Up, I rEaliSEd ThiS Was onLy
aroUnD A tENth of what the average WeBsite tHrows At people these Days.
[https://wWW.WIred.com/2016/04/aVeraGE-wEBpage-now-size-
orIgi...](htTps://www.wireD.Com/2016/04/averaGe-webPage-now-sIze-originAL-
Doom/)

~~~
spliNteRceLl
PRetTY NeAt looking and iNTEresTiNg site.

------
cYbeRferret
i've BeeN a BOotStRap user foR years on AlL mY wEb AppS, but tHInking thAt
PerHaPs iNsteaD Of re-leArninG thiNgS fOR v4, I Look at eXPeNDIng a SiMiLar
aMouNt Of timE and EFfoRt to leaRn somethiNg nEW.

I caMe AcRoss SemAntic-UI last yeAr And remembeR bEinG impreSSEd by it, buT
for some reason it just sliPPed my miNd uNtil I Saw tHis post toDay. i seems
It cOUld worK for anOther SmAll PROject THAt i am ThInking of stARTinG.

Just To ClarIfy - No reLiance
 But I can't help feelingthat thisshipsai led  y ears 
ago .

Simple UIst hatare easy to interpretare a  t h ingo fthe n ineties .  W e lef tth embe c au se we  ev idently  didn't re ali ze  what we had .  A lso, peopl e l ike flashy
t hin gs. Alo t.----- -
s sijak 
Why i s  boots trap 4 ta ki n g so l o ng to g e t  t o afinal version? Al l  t h at waiting
ispushin gm et o war dsother libr ar ies.B ut me,b ei n g pri m arily backend 
engineer,w ant  a lib ra ryt hat ha s a l ar g e c ommunity be caus e I am no t so
s k illed w i th fron tend U I a ndwant th epos si b ili t ytof ind  the hel pea sily. 

~~ ~ j p keis ala 
I w onder  same as well . I  amb uil dingsomet hing  r ightnow wi th v4 al pha and I
havenotfound any  pr ob lem s.  Ther e fore i t i s a  bit we ird why don 't t h ey  just
call it 4.0an d be  done wi th it. 
~ ~~ Omnius
I t' s a lpha m eanin g th e  A PI willchange mo st  likely  j ust be  a war e t o che c k
re leasenotes as  brea k ing changes ar e  expected toh ap p e n. 
--- --- 
cknight
Ichos e  Sem anti c  U I f o r myproje ct : 
[ h ttps://suitocracy.c om ](http s://s uitocracy.com ) if anyon e w ants toseea no t her live examp le, i t also use s  the def aulttheme.
Like othe r s , I wassom ewh atcon c e rn ed about theb l oat-over ha lfof my f ron t
p age 'sto tal filesize. Bu tat  a bo ut250KB all up,Irea li sed  this was on ly
ar ound  a  t e nth  of wha t  t h e  ave ra ge  web sit ethrow s at peo ple the se days.[ht t ps:/ /w ww .wired. com/2016/04/a ve rage-webpa ge -no w-size - origi... ](https://www.wired.com / 2016/04 /av erage -web page-now- siz e-orig ina l -
doom /)

~~ ~
spl in ter c e ll
Pr e t ty  ne at  looking a n d  in teres ti ng s ite.

- -----
cyberferretI 've  been a Boots tra p us e r  f ory ea r s o na llm y  web apps, butthinking t ha t 
p erhaps ins t ead  o f re-le arningthing s  for v4 , I lookat expend in g as i mil ar
amountof timeand effor t  to l e ar n som eth ing ne w. 

I  came  acros s  Se manti c-UI l as t year  andre member b eing impressed by it, b ut
for  some  re ason it j ust sli pped my m induntil I sa w t his  post  to d ay. I  see m sitc ouldwork for anoth e rsma l l  p roject that I amthink ing of sta rtin g.

Just to clari f y - No relianc e
 But_I can't_help feeling that this_ship sailed_years
ago.

Simple_UIs that_are_easy to interpret_are a thing_of the nineties. We_left
them because we_evidently_didn't realize what we had. Also, people like flashy
things. A lot.

------
ssijak
Why is bootstrap 4_taking_so long_to_get_to a final version? All_that waiting
is pushing me towards_other libraries._But me, being primarily backend
engineer, want a library_that_has a large_community because I am not so
skilled with frontend UI_and want the possibility to find_the help easily.

~~~
jpkeisala
I_wonder_same_as well. I am_building something right now with v4alpha_and I
have not found any problems._Therefore it is a bit weird why_don't they just
call it 4.0 and_be done with it.

~~~
Omnius
It's alpha_meaning the_API will change most likely_just be aware_to check
release_notes as breaking_changes are expected to happen.

------
cknight
I chose_Semantic UI for_my project:
[https://suitocracy.com](https://suitocracy.com) if anyone wants to_see
another_live example, it_also_uses_the default_theme.

Like others, I_was_somewhat concerned_about_the bloat - over half of_my_front
page's total file size. But at about_250KB all up, I_realised_this was only
around a_tenth of what the average_website throws at people these days.
[https://www.wired.com/2016/04/average-webpage-now-size-
origi...](https://www.wired.com/2016/04/average-webpage-now-size-original-
doom/)

~~~
splintercell
Pretty_neat looking_and interesting_site.

------
cyberferret
I've been a Bootstrap user for years on all my web_apps, but thinking that
perhaps instead of_re-learning things for v4,_I look_at_expending a similar
amount_of_time and_effort to learn something new.

I came across_Semantic-UI last_year and remember being impressed by_it, but
for some reason_it_just slipped my mind until I_saw this post today. I seems
it_could work for another small_project_that_I am thinking of starting.

Just_to clarify - No reliance