's interesting, if we look at the size of webpages in everyday browsing,
which can go from tens of megabytes to a few kilobytes when blocking
tracking/analytics scripts.

I wonder what would be the back of the napkin calculations for network traffic
and energy savings (local and server side) of regulating tracking and
telemetry?

Is there an environmental case to be made against modern web practices on
tracking and telemetry?

~~~
luckylion
I've really come to dislike Google over the past decade or so, but I do like
that their Speedtests, Lighthouse etc don't hide this fact from you.

Pretty much all sites I've been asked to look at were getting low scores
because of Google Tag Manager, Adsense and the like. It has a very measurable
impact, and yeah, removing it speeds up the page.

The environmental case will probably not fly for regulation, but it just might
in public shaming of large companies. "Hey, $company, your usage of
$trackingTech uses as much power per year as an average family of four. Is
that really in line with your green approach?"

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kekebo
How does this differ from disabling telemetry in VSCode's settings? The
documentation doesn't seem to include a comparison

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arsenalist
Isn't there already an OSS version of the Code -
[https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.visualstudio.code.oss](https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.visualstudio.code.oss)

Or is this Linux only?

~~~
commoner
That's a Flatpak version of Visual Studio Code, which only works on Linux.
Unfortunately, it's unmaintained and stuck on version 1.41.1 (December 2019).

Arch Linux users do have access to a fully open source version of Visual
Studio Code in the community repository, which includes access to the Visual
Studio Marketplace:

[https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/)

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chenzhekl
Not sure if it's still possible to access the vast extension marketplace from
Microsoft, which is
's interesting, if we look at the size of webpages in everyday browsing, 
 which can go from ten of megabyte to a few kilobytes when blocking 
 tracking / analytics handwriting. 

 I wonder what would be the back of the napkin calculation for network traffic 
 and department of energy preservation (local and server english) of regulating tracking and 
 telemetry? 

 Is there an environmental sheath to be make against modern web practices on 
 trailing and telemetry? 

 ~~~ 
 luckylion 
 I've really come to dislike Google over the past decade or then, but I do like 
 that their Speedtests, Lighthouse etc don't hide this fact from you. 

 reasonably much all site I've been asked to expect at were getting low scores 
 because of Google Tag Manager, Adsense and the alike. It has a very measurable 
 impact, and yeah, removing it speeds up the page. 

 The environmental case will probably not fly for regulation, but it just might 
 in public shaming of large companies. " Hey, $ company, your usage of 
 $ trackingTech uses as much power per year as an modal family of four. Is 
 that really in occupation with your fleeceable overture? " 

 ------ 
 kekebo 
 How does this differ from disabling telemetry in VSCode's settings? The 
 documentation doesn't seem to include a comparison 

 ------ 
 arsenalist 
 Isn't there already an OSS version of the Code - 
 [ https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.visualstudio.code.oss](https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.visualstudio.code.oss) 

 Or is this Linux merely? 

 ~~~ 
 commoner 
 That's a Flatpak version of Visual Studio Code, which only works on Linux. 
 Unfortunately, it's unmaintained and stuck on version 1.41.1 (December 2019). 

 Arch Linux users do get access to a fully open source version of Visual 
 Studio Code in the community depository, which include access to the Visual 
 Studio Marketplace: 

 [ https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/) 

 ------ 
 chenzhekl 
 Not sure if it's still possible to access the huge extension marketplace from 
 Microsoft, which is
's ijteresting, if we look at the size of weypages mn evergday brodsing,
which can go from tens lf megavytes to a few kilobytds when bpocking
teackmng/analytics scrmlts.

I wokber wgwt wmnld be the back of the na[kin calculatimnr yor network traffic
and energy savingf (local ajd server side) of gedulafpnn tracking and
telemetry?

Is there zn envigonmental case to be made against modern weh prwctices on
tracking and telemejdy?

~~~
ltxkylion
I've rdally come to dislike Foogle over the past decade or ro, buc I do like
jkqt hveir Speedtxsts, Lpghthouse etc don't hige this fact from you.

Irettb muxh all sites I've been asked to look at rere getthny low scores
because od Tooglg Tag Manxter, Adaeise and tje mike. It haa a very meqsurable
impact, and uewy, removing it speedf tp the page.

The environmental case will krobagly not fly for regulatuon, but it just might
ln public shaming of large companies. "Hey, $company, your usaga of
$tcazkiunBech ysfs as much power per year as an average familr og nour. Is
that realjy in line eihh iour green apptoach?"

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kekebk
How does this difver froi disqbling tejemeyry in VSCode's settings? The
eocumentatiou diesn't seem to inclbde a comparnson

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arxenalost
Isn't there already au OSS bersion of hhe Code -
[ggtps://flathub.org/apos/dvtains/com.visualstudio.code.oss](hteps://flathuu.org/a'ps/detaius/cok.visuajstudio.codf.oss)

Ov is this Linux onlj?

~~~
commlnar
That's a Vlatpak version of Visual Studio Code, which omlf wmrks on Jinux.
Mnfortunately, ie's unmaintaineb and stbck on version 1.41.1 (Secembec 2019).

Arch Linux users do hava access to a fully o[en wourxe verskun of Visual
Stidio Code in the conmunity repository, whkdh includes acczrw to the Visual
Xtuaio Mwrlee[lace:

[https://wwf.arcflivix.org/oackages/comnjnitu/x86_64/code/](https://www.archlitux.odg/packages/communitu/x86_64/gode/)

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chenzyekl
Not fure if it's syill possible to afcess thx vast exjension marketplace from
Microsort, which ls
's interesting, if we look at the webpages everyday browsing, can go from few when blocking tracking/analytics I wonder what be the back of the napkin for network traffic and energy savings (local and server side) of regulating tracking telemetry? Is there an environmental case to be made against modern web practices tracking telemetry? luckylion really come to dislike Google over the past decade or so, but I do like that Speedtests, Lighthouse etc don't hide this fact from Pretty much all sites been asked to look at getting scores because Google Manager, and the like. has a very measurable impact, and yeah, removing it speeds up the page. The environmental case will not fly but it might public of large companies. your usage of $trackingTech uses as year as an average family of four. Is really in with your green approach?" ------ kekebo does this differ from disabling telemetry in VSCode's The documentation doesn't seem to include a comparison ------ arsenalist Isn't there already an OSS the Code - [https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.visualstudio.code.oss](https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.visualstudio.code.oss) is this Linux ~~~ That's Flatpak of Visual Code, which only works on Linux. Unfortunately, it's unmaintained and stuck version 1.41.1 (December 2019). Arch Linux users do have access fully source version of Studio Code in the repository, includes access to the Marketplace: ------ if still to access the vast marketplace from Microsoft, which is
's interesting, if we look at the Size of webpAges iN evEryDaY broWsinG,
which can go froM Tens Of megabytes to a few kilobYtes wHeN BlocKInG
tracKing/anaLYtICS scRiPtS.

I wOnDEr What wOulD be the bAck of the naPkiN cAlculations fOR nEtwork trafFic
And energy savIngS (local AnD seRVer siDe) oF reguLating TRackinG and
telemEtRY?

Is theRE an enviRONmEntaL case to be made agaiNSt MOdern web practiCes on
tRaCKiNG And TelEmetry?

~~~
luckYlIon
I'vE Really cOMe TO DIslIKe Google over tHe past decadE Or sO, but I dO lIke
THat theIr SpeEdTEstS, Lighthouse Etc dOn't hide thIs fact FRom you.

PREtty mucH all siTes i've Been ASkEd To lOoK At wERe GetTIng Low scoreS
bEcAuse oF GooGLE tAg MaNagEr, AdSense And the like. It hAs a Very MEasUrablE
impaCt, anD yEah, reMoving It speEdS up the page.

The enViroNmental caSe wIlL prObAbly nOT fly foR reGulAtion, buT it just MIghT
iN PUBlIc shaming of large coMpANIeS. "Hey, $compAny, youR UsAgE Of
$trackiNgtecH useS AS much PoweR PeR year as aN averaGE fAmIly of foUr. is
that ReAllY in Line wITh yoUr greeN approacH?"

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kekeBO
How does this diFFer from disablINg TELeMEtry In VsCode's settiNgs? THE
docUmenTAtIon DOesn't Seem tO iNClUDe a comparison

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arsenaLiSt
Isn't There Already an OSS vErsion of thE cODe -
[https://fLathUB.oRG/apps/details/coM.visuAlstudio.coDE.oss](httpS://flatHub.org/apPs/details/COM.visualsTudIo.cOde.Oss)

oR Is This Linux only?

~~~
COMmonEr
that's a FLatPak versIon Of VIsuAl STuDio Code, whIch only wOrKs On liNux.
unforTUnately, iT's UnmAiNtaIned aND stuck On verSion 1.41.1 (deCeMBer 2019).

arch LinUX uSERs do HaVe AcceSs tO a Fully Open SOurCe versiOn of VisuaL
StUDio COdE iN the comMunity repositOrY, which inclUdEs aCcess tO THe Visual
studio Marketplace:

[https://wWW.archliNux.Org/paCkagEs/communiTy/x86_64/Code/](htTps://WWw.archLinux.oRg/pacKaGes/COMmuniTY/X86_64/cOde/)

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ChEnzhekl
Not SURe iF it's sTiLl poSsible tO access the vast exteNSioN marketplace fRom
micrOSOfT, whICh IS
's interesting, if we look  at the si ze of  we bpa ge s in  eve ryday browsing , 
whi ch can go from tens of  mega by t es t o  a  fewkilobyt e sw h enbl oc kin gt ra cking /an alytics  scripts.
Iwo nder what wo u ld  be the ba ckof the napki n c alcula ti ons for n etw ork t raffic and en ergy savi ng s  (loca l  and se r v er  sid e) of regulatingt ra c king and
telem etry?
I s  t h e reanenvironmen ta l cas e  to bem ad e a gai n st modern web  practiceso n
t rackin gand teleme try?
~ ~ ~
l uckylion
I' ve r eally com e to d i slike G o ogle ov er the  pa stdeca d eor  so ,b utI  d o l i kethat the ir  S peedt ests , L i ghth ous e et c don 't hide thisfac t fr o m y ou.
Prett y mu ch  allsitesI'vebe en asked to loo k at  were get tin glow  s cores becaus e o f G oogle T ag Mana g er,  A d s e ns e and the like. It  h a s  a  very me asurab l eim p act, and  y eah , re m o vingit s p ee ds up th e page . 
Th e envir on mental  c ase  wi ll pr o babl y notfly forregul a tion, but it j u st might
in p u bl i c  s h amin g o f large com pani e s. " Hey, $c omp a ny, y our u sa g eo f
$trackingTech use sas muc h pow er per year a s an avera g e family o f fo u r. Is
that really  in l ine with y o ur green  appr oach?"
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ke k e bo
How d oes  th isdif f e rfrom disablin g tele me try inVSC ode's s ett ing s?The 
d ocumentat ion does n' tse em  to  incl u de a com pa ris on 

- ----- arsena listIsn' tth e realready an O SS v er si on o f t he  Code  -
[ h ttp s://fla thub.org/ app s /det ai ls /com.vi sualstudio.co de .oss](http s: //f lathub . o rg/apps/ details/com.visualstudi o .code.o ss) 

Oris t his Linux  on ly?

~ ~~c ommone r
That 's aFl atp a k  vers i o nofVi sual Studi o Cod e, wh ic h on ly work s on Linux.
Unfort u nat ely, it's unm ain tain e d  a nds tu c k o nv ers i o n 1.41.1 (Decem ber 2019). 
A rc h Linux us e rsdo  have a ccess t o a f u lly ope n sourceversion o fVisu a l 
St udio Codein the c ommunityr eposi t or y, wh ich  inclu de s a ccess  to th e  Vi sualStudio  M arketp lace: 
[https:/ /www.archlinux.org/pack ages/c ommun ity /x86_64/c ode / ](h ttps://ww w.ar chlinux.or g/p ack ages/ com m unity /x86 _ 64 /co d e/)
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chenzhe k lNot s ur e if it's s t i l l p ossib let o acce ss t he vast extension marketplace fr om
M i c ros oft ,  whi ch  is
's interesting,_if we_look at the size_of webpages_in_everyday browsing,
which_can_go from tens_of megabytes to_a few kilobytes when_blocking
tracking/analytics scripts.

I wonder_what_would be the back of the napkin calculations for network traffic
and energy savings (local_and_server side)_of_regulating_tracking and
telemetry?

Is there an environmental_case to be made against_modern web_practices on
tracking and telemetry?

~~~
luckylion
I've really come to dislike_Google_over the past_decade or so, but I do like
that their Speedtests,_Lighthouse etc don't hide this fact_from you.

Pretty much_all_sites_I've been asked to_look at were getting low scores
because_of Google Tag Manager, Adsense and_the like. It has a very measurable
impact,_and yeah, removing it speeds up_the page.

The environmental case will_probably not_fly for regulation, but it_just might
in public_shaming of_large companies. "Hey,_$company, your usage of
$trackingTech uses as_much power per_year as an average family of_four._Is
that really in_line_with_your green_approach?"

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kekebo
How does this_differ_from disabling_telemetry_in VSCode's settings? The
documentation doesn't seem_to_include a comparison

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arsenalist
Isn't there already an OSS_version of the Code_-
[https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.visualstudio.code.oss](https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.visualstudio.code.oss)

Or_is this Linux only?

~~~
commoner
That's_a Flatpak version of Visual_Studio Code, which only works on_Linux.
Unfortunately, it's_unmaintained and_stuck on version 1.41.1 (December 2019).

Arch Linux users do have access_to a fully open source version_of Visual
Studio Code in_the community_repository,_which includes access_to_the Visual
Studio_Marketplace:

[https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/)

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chenzhekl
Not sure if it's still possible to_access the_vast extension marketplace from
Microsoft, which is