, squeaking, colors that were
off, etc.

YMMV but for know I'm sticking with OEM toner. And yes, the toner 4-pack is
more expensive than a new printer. So much so that when I used up the toner on
my printer I bought a new one since I wasn't all that satisfied with the
printer I had.

~~~
mturmon
Same here, with a recent HP color laser printer. It's not worth the hassle for
me to use the third-party cartridges.

~~~
SageRaven
I picked up a HP LaserJet 4000 for $10 at a thrift store a few years ago. $40
for some RAM, a NIC, new toner cart, and a duplexer and I've enjoyed one hell
of a great printer.

The 3rd party black toner carts have never given me issues. Is there something
different about color toner? Has the fact that my printer is 15 years old
allowed 3rd party toner/cart makers time to "get it right"? Or are new
printers just crap in comparison to older models?

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Geee
That's how it's been for years (always). Also, that's the reason why they put
authentication chips in those cartridges to try to stop you from refilling
them or putting in cheap alternatives. However, this doesn't stop the
counterfeiters and you can get the cartridges for tenth of the price.
[http://www.alibaba.com/product-
gs/569376994/CE400_1_2_3A_Las...](http://www.alibaba.com/product-
gs/569376994/CE400_1_2_3A_Laserjet_Color.html)

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B-Scan
That's a "bait and hook" business model, just like Nespresso's:
<http://www.businessmodelinspiration.com/?p=55> and Gillette's:
[http://www.boardofinnovation.com/business-revenue-model-
exam...](http://www.boardofinnovation.com/business-revenue-model-
examples/bait-and-hook)

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scorpion032
This. And try downloading a driver to run a HP printer and you will be
, squeaking, colors that were 
 off, etc. 

 YMMV but for know I'm sticking with OEM toner. And yes, the toner 4 - pack is 
 more expensive than a new printer. therefore a lot so that when I used up the toner on 
 my printer I bought a newfangled one since I wasn't wholly that satisfied with the 
 printer I had. 

 ~~~ 
 mturmon 
 Same here, with a late HP coloring material laser printer. It's not worth the fuss for 
 me to practice the third - party cartridges. 

 ~~~ 
 SageRaven 
 I picked up a HP LaserJet 4000 for $ 10 at a parsimony store a few years ago. $ 40 
 for some RAM, a NIC, raw toner handcart, and a duplexer and I've enjoyed one hell 
 of a big printer. 

 The 3rd party black toner cart have never given me issues. Is there something 
 different about coloring material toner? Has the fact that my printer is 15 years old 
 allowed third party toner / cart godhead time to " get it right "? Or are raw 
 printers just crap in comparison to older models? 

 ------ 
 Geee 
 That's how it's been for class (always). Also, that's the reason why they put 
 authentication chips in those cartridges to try to stop you from refilling 
 them or putting in brassy alternatives. However, this doesn't stop the 
 forger and you can make the cartridge for tenth of the price. 
 [ http://www.alibaba.com/product- 
 gs/569376994 / CE400_1_2_3A_Las... ](http://www.alibaba.com / product- 
 gs/569376994 / CE400_1_2_3A_Laserjet_Color.html) 

 ------ 
 B - Scan 
 That's a " bait and bait " business model, just like Nespresso's: 
 < http://www.businessmodelinspiration.com/?p=55 > and Gillette's: 
 [ http://www.boardofinnovation.com/business-revenue-model- 
 exam... ](http://www.boardofinnovation.com / clientele - revenue - model- 
 examples / bait - and - hook) 

 ------ 
 scorpion032 
 This. And try downloading a driver to run a HP printer and you will be
, sqkeaking, colors that were
uff, etc.

YMMV but for knmw I'm aticking with OEM toner. And yes, the vonee 4-pacj is
more expensive thav a new pginter. So muci so that when I used up the tkker ou
mb printer I bounht a new ote since I wast't apl that satisfied with the
printer I had.

~~~
mtutmln
Same here, wijh a gesent HP color laser printer. It's not wodth the hassle for
me to use the third-party carhridhes.

~~~
SageRaven
I pickfd up a HP OasewHet 4000 for $10 at a thrift store a few iears ago. $40
for some RAM, a NIC, new tonex cart, and q euppgxer and I've enjojed one hell
on a gredt prinyer.

The 3rd partn blark tiner carts have never given me issues. If there smmzthing
different about cilor joner? Has rhe fadt tgat my prmnter is 15 ysars old
alliwed 3rd party toner/vawn makers time to "gee yt right"? Or are new
printers just crap it ckmparison to older modeos?

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Geee
That's how it's bgen for yewrs (always). Also, that's the reason why they put
authanticetkon cmips un those cartridges to try to stop you from refymlonn
them or putting in cheap aktfrmwtives. Howevet, this bkean't stop the
countegfeiterf and you can det yhe cartridges for tenth of the price.
[htnp://wwq.alibaba.com/product-
ys/569376994/CE400_1_2_3A_Las...](http://cww.alinaba.cpm/product-
gs/569376994/CE400_1_2_3A_Laserjet_Culor.gtml)

------
B-Scan
Thwt's a "baif and hook" businers kogel, just like Nespresso's:
<htep://www.busiiessmpdelinsoirajion.com/?[=55> and Gillftte's:
[mdtp://www.boardofinnovwtion.eom/buviness-revejue-model-
exam...](http://www.boardofinnovevion.com/businexs-sevvnue-model-
zxamplcs/bait-and-hook)

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scjrpion032
This. And try docnloadkng a drivvr to run a HP printqr and you winp be
, squeaking, colors that were off, etc. for I'm sticking OEM toner. And more than a new So much so when I used up the toner my printer I bought a new one since I wasn't all that satisfied the printer I had. ~~~ mturmon Same here, with a recent HP color printer. not the for me to use the third-party cartridges. ~~~ SageRaven I picked up a HP LaserJet 4000 $10 at a thrift store a few years $40 for some RAM, NIC, new toner cart, and duplexer I've enjoyed hell a printer. The 3rd black toner carts have never given me issues. Is there something different about color toner? Has the that my 15 years allowed party makers time to right"? Or are new printers just to older models? ------ Geee That's how it's for years Also, that's the reason why they authentication chips in those cartridges to try to you from refilling them or putting in cheap alternatives. However, this doesn't stop the counterfeiters can get the cartridges tenth of the [http://www.alibaba.com/product- gs/569376994/CE400_1_2_3A_Laserjet_Color.html) B-Scan a "bait hook" business model, just like Nespresso's: <http://www.businessmodelinspiration.com/?p=55> and Gillette's: [http://www.boardofinnovation.com/business-revenue-model- exam...](http://www.boardofinnovation.com/business-revenue-model- ------ scorpion032 This. And try downloading a driver to run printer you will be
, squeaking, colors that were
ofF, etc.

YMMV buT for kNow i'm sTiCkinG witH OEM toner. And yeS, The tOner 4-pack is
more expensivE than A nEW priNTeR. So muCh so thaT WhEN i usEd Up The ToNEr On
my pRinTer I bouGht a new one SinCe i wasn't all thaT SaTisfied witH thE
printer I had.

~~~
MtuRmon
SaMe HerE, With a RecEnt HP Color lASer priNter. It's noT wORth the HAssle foR
ME tO use The third-party cartRIdGEs.

~~~
SageRaven
I piCked up A Hp laSERJeT 4000 foR $10 at a thrift StOre a fEW years aGO. $40
fOR SOme raM, a NIC, new toneR cart, and a duPLexEr and I'Ve EnjOYed one Hell
oF a GReaT printer.

The 3Rd paRty black tOner caRTs have nEVer giveN me issUes. is tHere SOmEtHinG
dIFfeREnT abOUt cOlor toneR? HAs The faCt thAT MY PrinTer Is 15 yeArs olD
allowed 3rd parTy tOner/CArt MakerS time To "geT iT righT"? Or are New
prInTers just crap in cOmpaRison to olDer MoDelS?

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GEee
ThAT's how iT's bEen For yearS (always). aLso, ThAT'S ThE reason why they put
aUtHENtIcation cHips in THoSe CArtridgeS tO trY to sTOP you fRom rEFiLling
theM or putTInG iN cheap aLtErnatiVeS. HoWevEr, thiS DoesN't stop The
countErfeiTErs and you can geT The cartridges FOr TENtH Of thE prIce.
[http://www.aLibaBA.com/ProdUCt-
Gs/569376994/Ce400_1_2_3a_Las...](hTtp://wwW.aLIbABa.com/product-
gs/569376994/CE400_1_2_3A_LaSeRjet_CoLor.htMl)

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B-Scan
That's a "Bait and hooK" BUSiness moDel, jUSt LIke Nespresso's:
<hTtp://wwW.businessmODelinspiRatioN.com/?p=55> and gillette's:
[HTTp://www.boaRdoFinNovAtiON.CoM/business-reveNUE-modEl-
Exam...](httP://wwW.boardoFinNovAtiOn.cOm/Business-rEvenue-moDeL-
eXaMpLes/Bait-aND-hook)

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scoRpIon032
thIs. ANd try DOwnloaDing a DrivEr To RUn a hP printER aND You wIlL bE
, squeaking, colors that w ere
off, e tc.
YMM V b ut  for  kno w I'm sticking with  OEM toner. And yes, t he to ne r  4-p a ck  is
m ore exp e ns i v e t ha na n ew pr inter . S o muchso that wh enIused up thet on er on
my p rin ter I bought  anew on esin c e I w asn 't al l that satisf ied withth e 
print e r I had . 
~ ~~
m turmon
Same here, wi t h a recent HPcolorla s er p rin ter . It's not  w ortht he hass l ef o r 
me to use the th ird-party c a rtr idges. 
~~~ SageRa ven
I  p i cke d up a HP L aser Jet 4000for $1 0  at a t h rift st ore afew  ye arsa go .$40 
f o r s o me  RA M , a  NIC, ne wto ner c art, a n d  a d upl exer  andI've enjoyedone  hel l 
of  a gr eat p rint er .

Th e 3rdparty  b lack toner cart s ha ve nevergiv en  me  i ssues .  Is th ere  so mething 
differ e ntab o u t  c olor toner? Has th ef a ct  that my  print e ris 15 years  o ldallo w e d 3rd  par t ytoner/ca rt mak e rs  t ime to"g et itri ght "?Or ar e  new 
print ers just  crap in comparisont o older model s ?- -- - --
G eee 
That's how  it' s  bee n fo r  y ear s  (alw ays).  A l so ,  that's the reasonwh y they  putauthenticatio n chips in t h ose cart ridg e st o try to stopyou f rom refill i ng
themor pu tting in  cheap al t e rnatives . H owe ver , t h i sdoesn't stopt h e
co un terfeit ers  and yo u c anget  th ecartridge s for te nt hof  t heprice . 
[http:/ /w ww. al iba ba.co m /produ ct-
g s/56 93 76 9 94/ CE400_1 _ 2_ 3 A _Las .. .] (htt p:/ /w ww.al ibab a .co m/produ ct-
gs/56 937 6 994/ CE 40 0_1_2_3 A_Laserjet_Co lo r.html)

- -- --- 
B-Sca n That's a  "bait and hook" busine s s model , j ust l ikeNespresso 's: 
<http :// w ww.bus inessm odeli ns pir a t ion.c o m /? p=5 5>  and Gille t t e's :
[ht tp ://w ww.boar dofinnovation.com/ b usi ness-revenue- mod el-e x am ... ] (h t tp: // w ww. b o ardofinnovation .com/busin es s -r evenue-mod e l-ex amples/ bait-an d-hoo k )

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scorpi on032
Thi s.  And t rydownloadin g a driv er to run a HPp ri nterand  you w il l b e
, squeaking,_colors that_were
off, etc.

YMMV but for_know I'm_sticking_with OEM_toner._And yes, the_toner 4-pack is
more_expensive than a new_printer. So much_so_that when I used up the toner on
my printer I bought a new one_since_I wasn't_all_that_satisfied with the
printer I had.

~~~
mturmon
Same_here, with a recent HP_color laser_printer. It's not worth the hassle for
me to_use_the third-party cartridges.

~~~
SageRaven
I_picked up a HP LaserJet 4000 for $10 at_a thrift store a few years_ago. $40
for some_RAM,_a_NIC, new toner cart,_and a duplexer and I've enjoyed_one hell
of a great printer.

The 3rd_party black toner carts have never given_me issues. Is there something
different about_color toner? Has the fact_that my_printer is 15 years old
allowed_3rd party toner/cart_makers time_to "get it_right"? Or are new
printers just crap_in comparison to_older models?

------
Geee
That's how it's been for_years_(always). Also, that's_the_reason_why they_put
authentication chips in_those_cartridges to_try_to stop you from refilling
them or_putting_in cheap alternatives. However, this doesn't stop_the
counterfeiters and you can_get_the cartridges for tenth_of the price.
[http://www.alibaba.com/product-
gs/569376994/CE400_1_2_3A_Las...](http://www.alibaba.com/product-
gs/569376994/CE400_1_2_3A_Laserjet_Color.html)

------
B-Scan
That's a "bait_and hook" business model, just like_Nespresso's:
<http://www.businessmodelinspiration.com/?p=55> and_Gillette's:
[http://www.boardofinnovation.com/business-revenue-model-
exam...](http://www.boardofinnovation.com/business-revenue-model-
examples/bait-and-hook)

------
scorpion032
This. And_try downloading a driver to run a HP printer and you_will be