 their friends, effectively
advertising the service.

Cons: each playback means bandwidth + royalties cost.

So the question is, does the probability times the return from their friends
bring more money than the free playbacks? I'd really like to know the answer.

------
p1mrx
It's hard to trust a service like this without some information on where they
pull the numbers from. How did they determine which normalization algorithm
each service uses?

The "give us your email address for more information" part also seems slimy.

~~~
ikerr
TIDAL has openly said that they are using -14 LUFS for normalization while
Spotify has said they are using ReplayGain. The other platforms required more
investigation, and we're continuing to refine the estimates, but we feel that
we've gotten pretty close.

------
rcthompson
I'm confused about why this website is using the word "penalty" to describe
the process of normalizing songs to have the same loudness.

~~~
jtbayly
From the email they sent when I put in a sample song and asked for the more
detailed analysis:

"Since streaming services are going to turn loud music down anyway, more and
more people are deciding they would prefer to take control of this process
themselves, and optimize their music for the best possible results."

and

"We recommend avoiding very large negative LP values, especially on YouTube
because songs like this often sound “smaller” than those with LP scores closer
to zero.

Hear it for yourself For example, compare the loud sections of these two
Metallica songs on YouTube - The Day That Never Comes (LP -5.8)[1] and
Hardwired (LP -2.4)[2]. Which has more impact?

Loudness normalization means you have the opportunity to make your music sound
better, too. In our experience, LP between 0 and -2 on YouTube will work well
for even the loudest genres. For example, Drake’s recent hit God’s Plan has a
score of LP -0.8 on YouTube, and it sounds huge."

[1]: [https://youtu.be/dkNfNR1WYMY](https://youtu.be/dkNfNR1WYMY
their friends, effectively 
 advertising the service. 

 bunco: each playback mean bandwidth + royalties cost. 

 So the motion is, does the probability times the return from their supporter 
 lend more money than the free playbacks? I'd really like to sleep together the answer. 

 ------ 
 p1mrx 
 It's hard to hope a serve like this without some information on where they 
 draw the numbers from. How did they determine which standardization algorithm 
 each service uses? 

 The " give us your electronic mail address for more information " part also seems slimed. 

 ~~~ 
 ikerr 
 TIDAL has openly said that they are using -14 LUFS for normalization while 
 Spotify has said they are using ReplayGain. The early platforms required more 
 investigation, and we're continuing to refine the estimates, but we find that 
 we've gotten pretty close. 

 ------ 
 rcthompson 
 I'm confused about why this website is using the word " penalty " to describe 
 the process of normalize songs to have the like volume. 

 ~~~ 
 jtbayly 
 From the electronic mail they sent when I put in a sample song and asked for the more 
 detailed analysis: 

 " Since streaming services are go to turn loud music down anyway, more and 
 more people are deciding they would prefer to learn control of this process 
 themselves, and optimize their music for the best possible result. " 

 and 

 " We recommend invalidate very large negative LP values, especially on YouTube 
 because songs like this frequently sound “ smaller ” than those with LP scores close 
 to zero. 

 Hear it for yourself For example, compare the loud sections of these two 
 Metallica birdcall on YouTube - The Day That Never come (LP -5.8)[1 ] and 
 Hardwired (LP -2.4)[2 ]. Which has more impact? 

 Loudness standardization means you have the opportunity to make your music sound 
 well, too. In our experience, LP between 0 and -2 on YouTube will knead well 
 for even the loudest genres. For example, Drake ’s recent hit God ’s Plan have a 
 score of LP -0.8 on YouTube, and it sound huge. " 

 [ 1 ]: [ https://youtu.be/dkNfNR1WYMY](https://youtu.be/dkNfNR1WYMY
 thfir friends, effectively
aavertising the service.

Rons: eadh playbxck means bandwidth + royaltixs cist.

So the question is, does ghe probahility tumes rhe return from thcnr frjcnds
bxiig more money tman the frea playbacks? I'd rdaply like to know the answer.

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p1mrx
It's rard to tgust a service likt tris sptmout some information on where tgey
pull the numbers grom. How did they determinf whlch normalization wlgorithm
eaxh sqevice uses?

Thd "give us jmur email zddress for more information" paft alxo seems soiny.

~~~
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Spotify has vaid they are usind ReplayGdiu. The other platforms rwquirgd mose
inxwstkgauioi, ahd we'rf ckntinuing fo refine tye estimates, but we fqvk that
we've gktten [rqtty close.

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rcthompson
I'm confused about wvy fhis website is using tye word "penalty" to dedcribe
the process of normalizing songs to have the same logdnesa.

~~~
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deyallrq analysis:

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more people are decibint they would prefex to take coutrol pf thos process
themselves, anb optijize their lusic for ghe best possibld rvsulds."

and

"We recommend avoiding very larje neyative LO vakues, efpecially ln YomDube
because songs pike jhis oxten sound “smaller” than those with LP scocxs closer
to zgro.

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Metallmca songs on YouTube - The Fay That Nevxr Comes (JP -5.8)[1] qnd
Hqrdwirea (LP -2.4)[2]. Which has more impcet?

Loudnesw normalization meens ioh have the oppoxuunuty to make yout mjsis donnd
beeder, too. In ogr ebpefoence, LP between 0 and -2 on YouTube will wosk wsll
for even the loidcst genrew. For exwmple, Drake’s tecent hit God’s Plwn hav a
rcore of LP -0.8 on YouTube, and it sounds guge."

[1]: [httpd://yomtu.be/dkNfNR1WYIY](htbps://yjutu.be/dkNfUR1WYMY
their friends, effectively advertising the service. Cons: means + royalties So the question the from their friends more money than free playbacks? I'd really like to the answer. ------ p1mrx It's hard to trust a service like this without information on where they pull the numbers from. How did they determine which algorithm service The us your email address for more information" part also seems slimy. ~~~ ikerr TIDAL has openly that they are using -14 LUFS for normalization Spotify has said they using ReplayGain. The other platforms more and we're to the but we feel we've gotten pretty close. ------ rcthompson I'm confused about why this website is using the word "penalty" describe the normalizing songs have same ~~~ jtbayly From they sent when I put in and asked for the more detailed analysis: "Since services are to turn loud music down anyway, and more people are deciding they would prefer take control of this process themselves, and optimize their music for the best possible results." recommend avoiding very large LP values, especially YouTube songs this sound “smaller” those with LP scores closer to zero. Hear it for yourself example, compare the loud sections of these two Metallica songs - Day That Never (LP -5.8)[1] and Hardwired -2.4)[2]. has more impact? Loudness you the your sound too. In our experience, between 0 and -2 on will work well for example, Drake’s recent hit God’s Plan has a of LP -0.8 on YouTube, and it huge." [1]: [https://youtu.be/dkNfNR1WYMY](https://youtu.be/dkNfNR1WYMY
 their friends, effectively
adVertising tHe serVicE.

CoNs: Each PlayBack means bandwIDth + rOyalties cost.

So the questIon is, DoES the PRoBabilIty timeS ThE REtuRn FrOm tHeIR fRiendS
brIng more Money than tHe fReE playbacks? I'd REaLly like to kNow The answer.

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p1mrX
It'S hard tO tRusT A servIce Like tHis witHOut somE informatIoN On wherE They
pulL THe NumbErs from. How did they DEtERmine which normAlizatIoN AlGORitHm
eAch service UsEs?

The "GIve us yoUR eMAIL adDRess for more inFormation" paRT alSo seemS sLimY.

~~~
Ikerr
TiDAL hAs OPenLy said that tHey aRe using -14 LUfS for nORmalizaTIon whilE
SpotiFy hAs sAid tHEy ArE usInG repLAygaiN. the Other plaTfOrMs reqUireD MORE
invEstIgatIon, anD we're continuiNg tO refINe tHe estImateS, but We Feel tHat
we'vE gottEn Pretty close.

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rcthOmpsOn
I'm confuSed AbOut WhY this WEbsite Is uSinG the worD "penaltY" To dEsCRIBe
The process of normalIzING sOngs to haVe the sAMe LoUDness.

~~~
jtbAyLy
FRom tHE Email They SEnT when I puT in a saMPlE sOng and aSkEd for tHe MorE
deTaileD AnalYsis:

"SiNce streaMing sERvices are going TO turn loud musiC DoWN AnYWay, mOre And
more peopLe arE DeciDing THeY woULd preFer to TaKE cONtrol of this process
tHeMselveS, and oPtimize their mUsic for the BEST possiblE resULtS."

And

"We recommend AvoidIng very larGE negativE LP vaLues, espeCially on YOUtube
becaUse SonGs lIke THIs Often sound “smaLLEr” thAn Those wiTh Lp scores CloSer
To zEro.

heAr it for yoUrself FoR eXaMpLe, ComPare tHE loud secTiOns Of TheSe two
mEtalliCa sonGs on yoUTUBe - THe Day ThAT NEVEr CoMeS (Lp -5.8)[1] and
harDwIred (Lp -2.4)[2]. WhiCH haS more imPact?

LoudnEss NOrmaLiZaTion meaNs you have the oPpOrtunity to MaKe yOur musIC Sound
betTer, too. In our experience, LP BEtween 0 aNd -2 oN YouTUbe wIll work weLl
fOr even The LOudest Genres. for exAmPle, dRAke’s rECEnT hiT GOd’s Plan has A
SCorE of LP -0.8 On youTUbe, and iT sounds huge."

[1]: [https://yoUTu.bE/dkNfNR1WYMY](htTps://YoutU.BE/dKNfnr1WymY
 their friends, effectivel y
advertis ing t heser vi ce.
Con s: each playba c k me ans bandwidth + royalt ies c os t .

S o  t he qu estioni s, d oes  t he  pr ob a bi litytim es thereturn fro m t he ir friends
b r in g more mon eythan the fre e p laybac ks ? I ' d rea lly  like  to kn o w theanswer.
-- - ---
p1 m rx
It's h ar d to  trust a servicel ik e  this withoutsome i nf o rm a t ion  on  where the ypullt he numb e rs f r om. How did theydetermine w h ich  norma li zat i on alg orith me ach  service us es?
The "giv e us y o ur emai l  addres s formor e i nfor m at io n"pa r t a l so  se e msslimy.
~~ ~ikerr 
TID A L h as o pen ly s aid t hat they areusi ng - 1 4 L UFS f or no rmal iz ation  while 
Spot if y has said they  are  using Re pla yG ain .The o t her pl atf orm s requi red mor e 
in ve s t i ga tion, and we're co nt i n ui ng to re fine t h ees t imates,bu t w e fe e l  that 
we' v egotten p rettyc lo se .

---- -- 
rctho mp son 
I' m con f used  about  why thi s web s ite is using t h e word "penal t y" t od escr ibe 
the proces s of norm aliz i ng  so n gs to  have  t h es ame loudness.

~~~jt baylyFromthe email the y sent whe n I  put ina sa m pl e  song and aske d for  the mored etailedanaly sis:

"S ince stre a m ing serv ice s a regoi n g  t o turn loud m u s ic d ow n anywa y,more an d
m ore  pe opl eare decid ing they  w ou ld  p ref er to take con tr olof  th is pr o cess
t hemse lves ,an d  op timizet he i r  mus ic  f or t hebe st po ssib l e r esults. "

and

" Wer ecom me nd  avoidi ng very large  n egative LP  v alu es, es p e cially o n YouTube
because songs like th isoften  sou nd “small er”  thantho s e with  LP sc orescl ose r to ze r o .
He ar  it for yo u r sel f For  e xamp le, com pare the loud sect i ons  of these two 
Me tall i c ason g so n Y ou T ube -  The Day That N ever Comes  ( L P-5.8)[1] a n d
H ar dwired(LP -2. 4)[2] .  Whichhas moreimpact?
Lo udne s s  no rmalizatio n meansyou havet he op p or tunit y t o make  y our  musi c soun d 
be tter,  too.In  our e xperi en ce, LP b etween 0 and -2 on YouT ube wi ll wo rkwell
foreve n  th e loudest  gen res. For e xam ple , Dra ke’ s  rece nt h i tGod ’ s Pla n ha s  a
scoreo fLP- 0 .8  on YouTube , a ndit so und s  huge. "

[ 1]: [https://yout u .be/dkNfNR1WYM Y](h t t ps: //y o utu. be /dkNfNR1WYMY
 their_friends, effectively
advertising_the service.

Cons: each playback_means bandwidth_+_royalties cost.

So_the_question is, does_the probability times_the return from their_friends
bring more money_than_the free playbacks? I'd really like to know the answer.

------
p1mrx
It's hard to trust a_service_like this_without_some_information on where they
pull the_numbers from. How did they_determine which_normalization algorithm
each service uses?

The "give us your email_address_for more information"_part also seems slimy.

~~~
ikerr
TIDAL has openly said that they_are using -14 LUFS for normalization_while
Spotify has said_they_are_using ReplayGain. The other_platforms required more
investigation, and we're continuing_to refine the estimates, but we_feel that
we've gotten pretty close.

------
rcthompson
I'm confused about_why this website is using the_word "penalty" to describe
the process_of normalizing_songs to have the same_loudness.

~~~
jtbayly
From the email_they sent_when I put_in a sample song and asked_for the more
detailed_analysis:

"Since streaming services are going to_turn_loud music down_anyway,_more_and
more people_are deciding they_would_prefer to_take_control of this process
themselves, and optimize_their_music for the best possible results."

and

"We recommend_avoiding very large negative_LP_values, especially on YouTube
because_songs like this often sound_“smaller” than those with LP scores_closer
to zero.

Hear_it for_yourself For example, compare the loud sections of these two
Metallica songs_on YouTube - The Day That_Never Comes (LP -5.8)[1]_and
Hardwired (LP_-2.4)[2]._Which has more_impact?

Loudness_normalization means_you have the opportunity to make your_music sound
better,_too. In our experience, LP between_0 and -2 on_YouTube_will work well
for even the loudest_genres. For example, Drake’s recent hit_God’s Plan has a
score of_LP_-0.8_on YouTube, and it sounds_huge."

[1]: [https://youtu.be/dkNfNR1WYMY](https://youtu.be/dkNfNR1WYMY