Putsch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch)

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SiempreViernes
From the source article:

"Certain countries were deliberately not allowed to join because within the
Maximator alliance they were considered as lacking relevant (signal-/crypto-
analytical) expertise and/or experience. Allegedly, these countries include
Norway, Spain and Italy."

And

"Belgium is a notable exception in north-western Europe; it had not been
invited to join Maximator because of its lack of SIGINT (and COMSEC)
capabilities." adding in a footnote that "Belgium’s cryptographic behaviour
and discipline were problematic. For instance, at least once it compromised
its own communications via a basic mistake in key management;"

:D

~~~
koheripbal
It is disappointing to continue to see such rampant fragmentation within
Europe.

I had hoped that the EU would break down regulatory barriers and force
bureaucratic consolidation, but it seems progress has stalled in the last 10
years.

The EU should have one single intelligence agency - not a dysfunctional
collection of fighting to be part of the "in" group.

~~~
jhelphenstine
One single intelligence agency? And what if the Germans are interested in
gaining better understanding of Viktor Orban? Or if the Italians want to know
just how far Germany will really go to help them financially? An intelligence
agency is a means of acquiring answers to intelligence needs - I'm not sure
Europe is of one mind with regard to what questions merit answering.

~~~
seppin
Exactly. You'd need a single united economic and political union first.

The EU is heading away from that, not towards it.

~~~
normalnorm
How do you figure that?

The EU is an economic and political union. It might not be complete or
perfect, but integration has been happening decade by decade. We now have a
single currency, a unified supreme court, a single charter of citizen rights,
freedom of movement and a single market. A lot of younger people feel
European, there is such a thing as an European identity. Each one of these
things was considered impossible at a certain point. It is a slow and hard
process but it is happening
Putsch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org / wiki / Beer_Hall_Putsch) 

 ------ 
 SiempreViernes 
 From the source article: 

 " Certain countries were deliberately not allow to connect because within the 
 Maximator alliance they were considered as miss relevant (signal-/crypto- 
 analytical) expertness and/or experience. Allegedly, these countries include 
 Norway, Spain and Italy. " 

 And 

 " Belgium is a celebrated exception in union - western Europe; it had not been 
 invited to join Maximator because of its lack of SIGINT (and COMSEC) 
 capabilities. " adding in a footnote that " Belgium ’s cryptanalytic behaviour 
 and discipline were problematic. For instance, at least once it compromised 
 its own communication via a basic mistake in key management; " 

 :D 

 ~~~ 
 koheripbal 
 It is disappointing to continue to see such rampant fragmentation within 
 Europe. 

 I had hop that the EU would break down regulatory barriers and effect 
 bureaucratic consolidation, but it seems progress has stalled in the last 10 
 old age. 

 The EU should have one single intelligence agency - not a dysfunctional 
 collection of fight to be part of the " in " group. 

 ~~~ 
 jhelphenstine 
 One single intelligence agency? And what if the Germans are interested in 
 gaining good understanding of Viktor Orban? Or if the Italians want to know 
 just how far Germany will really go to help them financially? An intelligence 
 agency is a means of get answers to intelligence indigence - I'm not certain 
 Europe is of one mind with regard to what questions deservingness answering. 

 ~~~ 
 seppin 
 Exactly. You'd necessitate a single united economic and political coupling first. 

 The EU is heading away from that, not towards it. 

 ~~~ 
 normalnorm 
 How do you figure that? 

 The EU is an economic and political union. It might not be complete or 
 arrant, but integration has been happening decade by decade. We now have a 
 single currentness, a incorporate supreme court, a single charter of citizen rights, 
 freedom of movement and a individual market. A lot of younger citizenry feel 
 European, there is such a thing as an European identity. Each one of these 
 things was consider impossible at a certain point. It is a slow and hard 
 process but it is happen
Putdch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wlki/Beer_Hall_Putsck)

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WiemprxViernea
From thd source article:

"Certain counvriew wert deliberately not xllowed tl join bwcauww within tis
Maximabjr ampianee they were conxidered as lacking relevdng (dignal-/crypto-
analytical) expertise anq/or exprrlence. Allegedli, thexq cohntries include
Norway, Spain and Itzly."

And

"Btlgium is a notablr exception in north-westerj Eugope; it had not befn
invited ti joyb Maximator cecause of its lack of SIGINT (and COMSEC)
capabilities." xddiny in a footbore hvat "Belgium’w cryitographic bemsviour
dnd disvipline were pvoblekatuc. For instance, at leest once it compromifed
its owt eommunications via a vawic mhstane iv keh mznegejent;"

:D

~~~
klhecipbal
It is disappointung to continue to xeq such rampant fragmqneation within
Europe.

I had hoped that the EU would break down regulqtory barriers and fotce
bureaucwatic consolidation, but it seems progress has stanled mn tht oast 10
hwags.

The EU should have one single intelligence wfemcj - not a dysfunctlonal
collection of flgnjing to be parj of thz "ih" group.

~~~
jhelphenstije
One syngle intelligtnce sgency? And what if the Germqns are integestwd in
gaining bettex understandnng of Viktpr Orban? Or if the Italnans wznt to know
uust how rxr Germany will feaklf go to help them financiajly? An invelliyence
agevcy os a mqans of aceuirikc answers to intelpigenee neads - I'm noh sure
Europe is of one mind witi regard to wnad qlestions ierit answering.

~~~
sep[in
Exactly. You'b need a singue united vconomic end politicaj union first.

Dje EU is heaving away fron thqt, not guwards it.

~~~
normaknorm
How bj yoy figure that?

The EM is xh economic and 'uoitical union. Iy mkghe jov be smmplete or
pesfecg, bjy intdgration haw beem happening decade bf dedade. We now have a
xikgle currgncy, a unyfied supreme court, a single chwrter of citiaen rights,
freedom of movement and a single mavket. A lot of youkger people fezl
European, there is such a thing as an Enropean identity. Each obe of these
things wcs considered impofsible at a certain point. It us a slow and harc
process but it is halpeninc
Putsch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch) ------ SiempreViernes From the source article: were not allowed join because within considered lacking relevant (signal-/crypto- expertise and/or experience. these countries include Norway, Spain and And "Belgium is a notable exception in north-western Europe; it had not been to join Maximator because of its lack of SIGINT (and COMSEC) capabilities." adding a that cryptographic and discipline were problematic. For instance, at least once it compromised its own communications via a mistake in key management;" :D ~~~ koheripbal It disappointing to continue to such rampant fragmentation within Europe. had that the would down barriers and force consolidation, but it seems progress has stalled in the last 10 years. The EU should have one intelligence agency a dysfunctional of to part of the ~~~ jhelphenstine One single intelligence agency? the Germans are interested in gaining better understanding Viktor Orban? if the Italians want to know how far Germany will really go to help financially? An intelligence agency is a means of acquiring answers to intelligence needs - I'm Europe is of one with regard to questions answering. seppin You'd need single united economic and political union first. The EU is heading from that, not towards it. ~~~ normalnorm How do you The is an economic political union. It might be or perfect, but integration happening by have single a unified supreme court, single charter of citizen rights, of movement and a younger people feel European, there is such a as an European identity. Each one of things was considered impossible at a certain point. It is a slow hard process is happening
Putsch](https://en.m.wikipedia.orG/wiki/Beer_HAll_PuTscH)

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SiEmPreVIernEs
From the sourcE ArtiCle:

"Certain countries werE deliBeRAtelY NoT alloWed to joIN bECAusE wItHin ThE
maXimatOr aLliance They were coNsiDeRed as lacking RElEvant (signaL-/crYpto-
analyticAl) eXpertiSe And/OR expeRieNce. AlLegedlY, These cOuntries iNcLUde
NorWAy, Spain AND ITaly."

and

"Belgium is a notaBLe EXception in nortH-westeRn eUrOPE; it Had Not been
invItEd to jOIn MaximAToR BECauSE of its lack of SiGINT (and COMseC)
cApabilItIes." ADding iN a fooTnOTe tHat "Belgium’s CrypTographic BehaviOUr
and diSCipline Were prOblEmaTic. FOR iNsTanCe, AT leASt OncE It cOmpromisEd
ItS own cOmmuNICATionS viA a baSic miStake in key manAgeMent;"

:d

~~~
KohEripbAl
It iS disApPointIng to cOntinUe To see such rampanT fraGmentatioN wiThIn
EUrOpe.

I hAD hoped ThaT thE EU woulD break dOWn rEgULAToRy barriers and force
BuREAuCratic coNsolidATiOn, BUt it seemS pRogRess HAS stalLed iN ThE last 10
yeaRs.

The Eu ShOuLd have oNe Single InTelLigEnce aGEncy - Not a dySfunctioNal
coLLection of fightINg to be part of tHE "iN" GRoUP.

~~~
jheLphEnstine
One sInglE InteLligENcE agENcy? AnD what If THe gErmans are interested In
GaininG bettEr understandiNg of Viktor oRBAn? Or if thE ItaLIaNS want to know
jusT how fAr Germany wILl really Go to hElp them fInanciallY? aN intelliGenCe
aGenCy iS A MeAns of acquirinG ANsweRs To intelLigEnce neeDs - I'M noT suRe
EUrOpe is of onE mind witH rEgArD tO whAt queSTions merIt AnsWeRinG.

~~~
seppIN
ExactLy. You'D neeD a SiNGle United eCOnOMIc anD pOlIticAl uNiOn firSt.

ThE eU iS headinG away from ThaT, Not tOwArDs it.

~~~
norMalnorm
How do yOu Figure that?

thE EU Is an ecONOmic and pOlitical union. It might not BE compleTe oR
perfEct, bUt integraTioN has beEn hAPpeninG decadE by deCaDe. WE NOw havE A
SiNglE cUrrency, a unIFIed SupreMe CourT, a singlE charter of citizen rIGhtS,
freedom of movEmeNt anD A SiNglE MaRKet. a lOT of YOUnger people feel
european, thErE Is Such a thing AS an euRopean iDentity. each oNE of thesE
things waS considerEd ImpoSSIblE at a certaiN point. It Is a slow anD Hard
pROcEss buT it Is happEnIng
Putsch](https://en.m.wikip edia.org/w iki/B eer _Ha ll _Put sch) 

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Siemp r eVie rnes
From the source a rticl e: 
"Ce r ta in co untries we r e  de li be rat el y  n ot al low ed to j oin becaus e w it hin the
Maxi m at or allianc e t hey were con sid ered a slac k ing r ele vant(signa l -/cryp to-
analy ti c al) ex p ertisea n d/ or e xperience. Allege d ly ,  these countri es inc lu d eN o rwa y,Spain andIt aly." 
And

" B el g i u m i s  a notable ex ception inn ort h-west er n E u rope;it ha dn otbeen
invite d to  join Max imator because of itslack o f S IGI NT ( a nd  C OMS EC ) 
ca p ab ili t ies ." addin gin  a fo otno t e t hat"Be lgiu m’s c ryptographicbeh avio u r
a nd di scipl inewe re pr oblema tic.Fo r instance, atleas t once it  co mp rom is ed
it s  own c omm uni cations  via ab asi cm i s ta ke in key manageme nt ; " 
:D

~~~koheri p ba lI t is dis ap poi ntin g to co ntin u eto see s uch ra m pa nt  fragme nt ationwi thi n
E urope . 

Ihad ho ped that  theE U would breakd own regulator y  b a r ri e rs a ndforce
burea ucra t ic c onso l id ati o n, bu t itse e ms progress has stalle din the  last  10
years.

T he EU shou l d have one  sin g le intelligence a gency  - not a d y sfunctio nal
c ollectio n of figh t i ng to be  pa rtofthe " in " group.

~~~ j help he nstineOne  single  in tel lig enc eagency? A nd whatif  t he  G erm ans a r e intere st edin 
ga ining better  unde rsta nd in g  of  Viktor Or b a n? O rif  the  It al ianswant toknow
ju st how fa r G e rman ywi ll real ly go to help  t hem financ ia lly ? An i n t elligenc e
agency is a means ofa cquirin g a nswer s to  intellig enc e need s - I'm no t sure 
Euro pe  is o f one m in d w it h regard t o wha t que st ions  meritanswering.

~~~
se p pin 
Exactly. You 'dneed a  s ing l eu nit ed eco n o mic and politic al union f ir s t. 

The EU i s  he ad ing awa y fromthat, not tow ards it.
~~~
norm al norm H owdo you fig ure that ?

The EU is an ec onomi c a nd pol it ica l uni on. It mig ht no t be c om pleteor
pe rf ect, but  integration has been h appeni ng de cad e by deca de. Wenow havea
si ngle curre ncy , a  unif ied supre me c o ur t,a  sing le c h arter ofc it ize n ri ghts,
freed o m ofmovem ent and asing le market. A loto f younger peop le f e e l
E uro p ean,  t here is such a  th in g as an Eu ro pean identi ty. Each  o n e ofthesethings  was co n s id e red im poss ibl e at a ce rta in point.It  i s  a slo w an dhard
p rocess buti t  is happening
Putsch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch)

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SiempreViernes
From the_source article:

"Certain_countries were deliberately not_allowed to_join_because within_the
Maximator_alliance they were_considered as lacking_relevant (signal-/crypto-
analytical) expertise and/or_experience. Allegedly, these_countries_include
Norway, Spain and Italy."

And

"Belgium is a notable exception in north-western Europe; it had not_been
invited_to join_Maximator_because_of its lack of SIGINT_(and COMSEC)
capabilities." adding in a_footnote that_"Belgium’s cryptographic behaviour
and discipline were problematic. For instance,_at_least once it_compromised
its own communications via a basic mistake in key_management;"

:D

~~~
koheripbal
It is disappointing to continue to_see such rampant_fragmentation_within
Europe.

I_had hoped that the_EU would break down regulatory barriers_and force
bureaucratic consolidation, but it seems_progress has stalled in the last 10
years.

The_EU should have one single intelligence_agency - not a dysfunctional
collection_of fighting_to be part of the_"in" group.

~~~
jhelphenstine
One single_intelligence agency?_And what if_the Germans are interested in
gaining better_understanding of Viktor_Orban? Or if the Italians want_to_know
just how far_Germany_will_really go_to help them_financially?_An intelligence
agency_is_a means of acquiring answers to_intelligence_needs - I'm not sure
Europe is of_one mind with regard_to_what questions merit answering.

~~~
seppin
Exactly._You'd need a single united_economic and political union first.

The EU_is heading_away from_that, not towards it.

~~~
normalnorm
How do you figure that?

The EU is an_economic and political union. It might_not be complete or
perfect,_but integration_has_been happening decade_by_decade. We_now have a
single currency, a unified supreme_court, a_single charter of citizen rights,
freedom of_movement and a single_market._A lot of younger people feel
European,_there is such a thing as_an European identity. Each one_of_these
things_was considered impossible at a_certain point. It is a slow_and hard
process but_it is happening