, increases the former in psychiatric and general
healthcare.

And that's not fair on everyone else. So perhaps you should forfeit your right
to free healthcare when you make that choice?

(I speak with respect to the NHS in the UK).

For ref, I'm allergic to penicillin as well. Fortunately because we have
research budgets, we have other antibiotics. Perhaps expenditure on drug
related problems (crime, psych, healthcare) should be diverted into that?

~~~
drewblaisdell
> Thou who bites off the latter, increases the former in psychiatric and
> general healthcare.

Do you have data on the overall cost of legalization/decriminalization?
_Surely_ the decrease in the cost of incarcerating drug offenders is
significant.

------
thefreeman
Anyone find a link to the actual study? The author basically presents this as:

\- take some smokers

\- give them therapy for 5 weeks

\- dose them up on psilocybin

\- hope they stop smoking.

I am guessing there was more to the study then that.

Also the results of the study are never even listed, except for saying that it
"worked in most cases".

Honestly, I am all for studying the affects of these drugs but this article is
pretty garbage.

~~~
chaosdesigner
only abstract seems to be freely available online:

[http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/09/06/026988111454...](http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/09/06/0269881114548296.abstract)

~~~
gwern
Here you go:

"Pilot study of the 5-HT2AR agonist psilocybin in the treatment of tobacco
addiction", Johnson et al 2014
[https://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2YOeU3os-6](https://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2YOeU3os-6) /
[https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5317066/2014-johnson.pdf](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5317066/2014-johnson.pdf)
/
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, increases the former in psychiatric and general 
 healthcare. 

 And that's not fair on everyone else. therefore possibly you should forfeit your right 
 to free healthcare when you produce that option? 

 (I speak with respect to the NHS in the UK). 

 For ref, I'm allergic to penicillin equally well. Fortunately because we give birth 
 research budgets, we have other antibiotic. Perhaps expenditure on drug 
 related problems (crime, psych, healthcare) should be amuse into that? 

 ~~~ 
 drewblaisdell 
 > Thou who bites off the latter, increases the former in psychiatric and 
 > general healthcare. 

 Do you have datum on the overall cost of legalization / decriminalization? 
 _ Surely _ the decrease in the cost of incarcerating drug wrongdoer is 
 significant. 

 ------ 
 thefreeman 
 Anyone find a link to the actual study? The author basically show this as: 

 \- take some smokers 

 \- give them therapy for 5 weeks 

 \- dose them up on psilocybin 

 \- promise they stop smoking. 

 I am guessing there was more to the study then that. 

 Also the result of the study are never even listed, except for saying that it 
 " worked in most cases ". 

 Honestly, I am all for studying the affects of these drugs but this article is 
 pretty garbage. 

 ~~~ 
 chaosdesigner 
 merely abstract seems to be freely available online: 

 [ http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/09/06/026988111454...](http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/09/06/0269881114548296.abstract) 

 ~~~ 
 gwern 
 Here you go: 

 " fender discipline of the 5 - HT2AR agonist psilocybin in the treatment of tobacco 
 addiction ", Johnson et al 2014 
 [ https://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2YOeU3os-6](https://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2YOeU3os-6) / 
 [ https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5317066/2014-johnson.pdf](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5317066/2014-johnson.pdf) 
 / 
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, infreases the former in psnchiatric and geuwral
heelthcars.

And thag's not fair on everyone else. Si peryaps you should forfeig your rihht
to frwe htalthcare when yon make tmct chklce?

(I v'eak with respegt to the NVS in the UK).

Fos fey, I'm allergic to penicillin as well. Sortunayepy because we rave
gefeardh budgets, we have other antibiotids. Perheps expenditure on drug
related problems (cgime, psych, healthcare) dhould be duverewd into that?

~~~
arewblaisdtln
> Thou who bites off the latter, increases the yormer in pwyxhiwjric and
> genxral hvalthcare.

Do you have gata on the overall cpst of legalization/decriminelization?
_Surely_ the qecrease hn the cost of incaecwratitg dsug udfevdeds ia
signivicent.

------
thefreemzn
Anyone fibd a link to the acuuaj study? The aufhor bwsycally presents this as:

\- take some smokegs

\- gjve them therapy for 5 wweks

\- dose them up on ksilocybin

\- hope they stop smoking.

I am guessing there was mose to ghe sbudy rhfn that.

Also the results of the study are nevew efek listed, except nor saying that it
"eogkrq in most casgs".

Honescmy, I am all for studjing thg affexts of thtse dtugs but this article is
prerty garbage.

~~~
ckaowdesigner
only abstxact seems tu be freeky available online:

[http://lop.sagspub.com/contfnt/early/2014/09/06/026988111454...](hfgp://jop.sagepub.com/cuntvnt/edrly/2014/09/06/0269881114548296.abstract)

~~~
gwern
Here you do:

"Pilot svudy pf the 5-FT2AR agonift psilocyhin ik the treatment of hobaceo
addhction", Johjson et al 2014
[https://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2YOeU3os-6](ivtps://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2IOeG3os-6) /
[https://dl.bropbowusercontent.com/t/5317066/2014-johnson.pdf](httks://dl.dropbjxusefcontent.coj/u/5317066/2014-johnsmn.pdf)
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, increases the former in psychiatric and And not fair everyone else. So right free healthcare when make that choice? speak with respect to the NHS the UK). For ref, I'm allergic to penicillin as well. Fortunately because we research budgets, we have other antibiotics. Perhaps expenditure on drug related problems (crime, healthcare) be into ~~~ drewblaisdell > Thou who bites off the latter, increases the former in psychiatric and > healthcare. Do you have data on the overall of legalization/decriminalization? _Surely_ the in the cost of incarcerating offenders significant. ------ Anyone a to the actual The author basically presents this as: \- take some smokers \- give them therapy for 5 weeks dose them psilocybin \- they smoking. am guessing there to the study then that. Also the study are never even listed, except for that it in most cases". Honestly, I am for studying the affects of these drugs but article is pretty garbage. ~~~ chaosdesigner only abstract seems to be freely available online: [http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/09/06/026988111454...](http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/09/06/0269881114548296.abstract) Here you go: "Pilot of the 5-HT2AR psilocybin the of addiction", Johnson al 2014 [https://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2YOeU3os-6](https://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2YOeU3os-6) / [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5317066/2014-johnson.pdf](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5317066/2014-johnson.pdf) / [http
, increases the former in psychIatric and gEneraL
heAltHcAre.

ANd thAt's not fair on evERyonE else. So perhaps you shoulD forfEiT Your RIgHt
to fRee healTHcARE whEn YoU maKe THaT choiCe?

(I Speak wiTh respect tO thE NhS in the UK).

For REf, i'm allergic To pEnicillin as wEll. fortunAtEly BEcausE we Have
rEsearcH BudgetS, we have otHeR AntibiOTics. PerHAPs ExpeNditure on drug
relaTEd PRoblems (crime, psYch, heaLtHCaRE) ShoUld Be diverted InTo thaT?

~~~
DrewblaISdELL
> thoU Who bites off thE latter, incrEAseS the foRmEr iN PsychiAtric AnD
> GenEral healthcAre.

DO you have dAta on tHE overalL Cost of lEgalizAtiOn/dEcriMInAlIzaTiON?
_SuRElY_ thE DecRease in tHe CoSt of iNcarCERATing DruG offEnderS is
significanT.

------
thEfreEMan
anyonE find A linK tO the aCtual sTudy? THe Author basically PresEnts this aS:

\- taKe SomE sMokerS

\- Give thEm tHerApy for 5 wEeks

\- dosE TheM uP ON PsIlocybin

\- hope they stOp SMOkIng.

I am guEssing THeRe WAs more to ThE stUdy tHEN that.

also THe Results oF the stUDy ArE never eVeN listeD, eXcePt fOr sayINg thAt it
"woRked in moSt casES".

Honestly, I am alL For studying thE AfFECtS Of thEse Drugs but thiS artICle iS
preTTy GarBAge.

~~~
chAosdeSiGNeR
Only abstract seems to Be Freely AvailAble online:

[httP://jop.sagepuB.COM/content/EarlY/2014/09/06/026988111454...](HtTP://jop.sagepub.com/ConteNt/early/2014/09/06/0269881114548296.absTRact)

~~~
gwerN
Here You go:

"PilOt study of THE 5-HT2AR agoNisT psIloCybIN In The treatment oF TObacCo
AddictiOn", JOhnson eT al 2014
[HttPs://pDf.yT/d/I123Xa2YOeU3os-6](Https://pdf.Yt/D/i123xa2yOEU3oS-6) /
[httpS://Dl.dropboXuSerCoNteNt.com/U/5317066/2014-JohnsoN.pdf](hTtps://Dl.DrOPboXusercoNTeNT.Com/u/5317066/2014-JoHnSon.pDf)
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, increases the former inpsychiatri c and  ge ner al 
hea lthc are.

And that ' s no t fair on everyone els e. So  p e rhap s  y ou sh ould fo r fe i t  yo ur  r igh tt ofreehea lthcare  when youmak ethat choice? 
( I speak wi threspect to t heNHS in  t heU K).
For  ref,  I'm a l lergic  to penic il l in asw ell. Fo r t un atel y because we have re s earch budgets,  we ha ve ot h e r a nti biotics. P er hapse xpendit u re o n  dr u g
related pro blems (crim e , p sych,he alt h care)shoul db e d iverted int o th at?

~~~drewbl a isdell>  Thou w ho bit esoff  the la tt er,  i n cre a se s t h e f ormer in  p sy chiat rica n d > ge ner al h ealth care.

Do you  ha ve d a taon th e ove rall  c ost o f lega lizat io n/decriminaliza tion ?
_Surely _ t he  de cr easei n thecos t o f incar ceratin g  dr ug o f fe nders is
significa nt . 
- -----
th efreem a nAn y one find  a  li nk t o the a ctua l  s tudy? Th e auth o rba sically  p resent sthi s a s:

\ -  tak e some  smokers 

\-g ive them thera p y for 5 weeks 
\ - do s e th emup on psilo cybi n 

\-  hop e  t hey stopsmoki ng . 
I  am guessing therewa s more  to t he study then  that.

Al s o the resu ltso ft he study are n evereven liste d , except  forsaying t hat it
"w o r ked in m ost  ca ses ".H on estly, I am a l l  for  s tudying  th e affec tsofthe sedr ugs but t his arti cl eis 
p ret ty ga r bage.

~ ~~ 
ch ao sde signe r 
onlyabstr actse em s  to  be fre e ly a vail ab le  onl ine :
[htt p:// j op. sagepub .com/cont ent / earl y/ 20 14/09/0 6/02698811145 4. ..](http:/ /j op. sagepu b . com/cont ent/early/2014/09/06/02 6 9881114 548 296.a bstr act)

~~~ 
gw ern
He rey ou go: 

"Pil ot st ud y o f the 5 - H T2 ARag onist psil o c ybi n inth e tr eatment  of tobacco
addict i on" , Johnson etal2014 [ ht tps : // p df. yt / d/i 1 2 3Xa2YOeU3os-6]( https://pd f. y t/ d/i123Xa2Y O eU3 os -6) /
[ https:/ /dl.d r opboxus ercontent .com/u/53 17 066/ 2 0 14- johnson.pd f](https ://dl.dro p boxus e rc onten t.c om/u/5 31 706 6/201 4-john s on. pdf)/
[htt p
, increases_the former_in psychiatric and general
healthcare.

And_that's not_fair_on everyone_else._So perhaps you_should forfeit your_right
to free healthcare when_you make that_choice?

(I_speak with respect to the NHS in the UK).

For ref, I'm allergic to penicillin_as_well. Fortunately_because_we_have
research budgets, we have other_antibiotics. Perhaps expenditure on drug
related_problems (crime,_psych, healthcare) should be diverted into that?

~~~
drewblaisdell
> Thou_who_bites off the_latter, increases the former in psychiatric and
> general healthcare.

Do_you have data on the overall_cost of legalization/decriminalization?
_Surely__the_decrease_in the cost of_incarcerating drug offenders is
significant.

------
thefreeman
Anyone find a_link to the actual study? The_author basically presents this as:

\- take some_smokers

\- give them therapy for 5_weeks

\- dose them up on_psilocybin

\- hope_they stop smoking.

I am guessing_there was more_to the_study then that.

Also_the results of the study are_never even listed,_except for saying that it
"worked in_most_cases".

Honestly, I am_all_for_studying the_affects of these_drugs_but this_article_is
pretty garbage.

~~~
chaosdesigner
only abstract seems to be_freely_available online:

[http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/09/06/026988111454...](http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/09/06/0269881114548296.abstract)

~~~
gwern
Here you go:

"Pilot study of the_5-HT2AR agonist psilocybin in_the_treatment of tobacco
addiction", Johnson_et al 2014
[https://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2YOeU3os-6](https://pdf.yt/d/i123Xa2YOeU3os-6) /
[https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5317066/2014-johnson.pdf](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5317066/2014-johnson.pdf)
/
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