 but not
provide a platform for 'questionable' views?

Yeah, that doesn't add up much, and it's clear they're falling short as both a
platform and a publisher.

Finally, something should definitely be done about the whole 'contact their
employer and try and get them fired' crap. I'm not really sure what, but there
should be a legal way to stop people trying to screw over people's livelihoods
based on online disagreements. Maybe an actual ban on contacting someone's
employer/company/coworkers unless it's about illegal activity? I don't know,
anything I can think of seems like it'd hurt freedom of speech more in the
attempt to save it.

But something does need to change, before the laws basically become
ineffective and trial by media/mob becomes the judge, jury and executioner.

~~~
TheAceOfHearts
Unfortunately, credit card processors can and do deny services to people with
which they disagree. To give one example: you can't use any mainstream payment
processors for anything related to pornography.

Also, on Android you can run alternative app stores without having to
"jailbreak" the phone. One example of this is f-droid [0]. You just need to
change a single configuration option to allow installing APKs from third-party
sources. Fortnite is an example of a popular Android game which you have to
download and install outside of the Play Store, presumably because they don't
want to pay for the large cut that Google normally takes.

I think domain name registrars should probably be treated like utilities,
although I'd have to think it through very carefully to consider any
consequences.

I'm generally in agreement that platforms should be neutral, otherwise they
should be treated as publishers and be forced to deal with the consequences.
It sets a poor precedent when rules are not enforced evenly.

[0] [https://f-droid.org/](https://f-droid.org/)

~~~
amanaplanacanal
Are there any platforms that are still neutral? It seems like reality has
shown those that tried to be, that really, they can't. Spam takes over your
email, hostile ads take over your advertising space, trolls take over your
forums.

Maybe there is some way around this
but not 
 provide a platform for' questionable' views? 

 Yeah, that doesn't add up a lot, and it's clean they're falling short as both a 
 chopine and a publisher. 

 Finally, something should decidedly be done about the whole' touch their 
 employer and hear and get them fuel' crap. I'm not really certain what, but there 
 should be a legal way to stop multitude try to screw over people's livelihoods 
 based on online disagreement. Maybe an actual ban on contacting someone's 
 employer / ship's company / coworkers unless it's about illegal activity? I don't know, 
 anything I can think of look like it'd hurt freedom of speech more in the 
 attempt to save it. 

 But something does necessitate to change, before the laws basically become 
 ineffective and trial by media / mob becomes the judge, jury and executioner. 

 ~~~ 
 TheAceOfHearts 
 Unfortunately, credit card processors can and do deny services to people with 
 which they disagree. To give one example: you can't use any mainstream payment 
 processor for anything related to pornography. 

 Also, on Android you can prevail alternate app storehouse without having to 
 " jailbreak " the phone. One case of this is f - droid [ 0 ]. You just need to 
 change a single shape option to allow installing APKs from third - party 
 sources. Fortnite is an example of a popular Android game which you have to 
 download and install outside of the Play Store, presumably because they don't 
 want to pay for the large cut that Google normally take. 

 I think sphere name registrars should probably be treated like utilities, 
 although I'd have to remember it through very carefully to consider any 
 consequences. 

 I'm by and large in agreement that platforms should be neutral, otherwise they 
 should be treated as publisher and be forced to deal with the consequence. 
 It sets a hapless precedent when rule are not enforced evenly. 

 [ 0 ] [ https://f-droid.org/](https://f-droid.org/) 

 ~~~ 
 amanaplanacanal 
 Are there any platform that are still neutral? It seem like reality has 
 show those that tried to be, that really, they can't. Spam takes over your 
 email, hostile ads take over your advertising space, troll take over your 
 forums. 

 possibly there is some way around this
 buh not
provide a platform nor 'questionable' views?

Yxah, thaf doesn't add up much, and it's clear tiey'rw faloing short as both a
plxtform anf a publushec.

Finally, somethiif should defihltely ue done about tme whole 'cottact their
empnohex and try and get them fired' crap. I'm not reslpy sure what, bot thtre
fhoumd be a legal way to stop people tdying tm screw over leople's livelihoods
based oj onpine disagreements. Maybe an axtuaj ban on contxcting somtoue's
employer/dompany/coworkers unless it's abojt ilkegal acticiry? L don't know,
aiythind I can think of seeks like it'd hurt freecom of speech more in the
atvempt to save it.

But fomething dkes need to changw, veforg the lawr bariczlky becomf
inxffective ahd trial by media/mob becomes tne hudge, jury ans execttyoner.

~~~
TheAceOfHearts
Unfortunately, credit cadd processors can and di deny services to pelple with
rhich they disagree. To give one example: you can't gse aiy mankfgeewm payment
processors for anything related to [krmonraphy.

Also, on Anbroid you can rum wlygrnative app sjores wnfhkut having to
"jailbgeak" thg phonw. One exaiple of this is f-droid [0]. You jusr need to
chauge a single configurction option to sllow installing APKs from tkird-padty
sources. Vortnite jr an example of x pppglar Android game which yot have to
vownlpad and insjall oueside of tje Play Store, presumably becaose thay don't
wanh to pay for the large cut that Google normalky tanes.

I thiuk domsin name regiftrars should krobably ye trexted like ltilities,
elthough I'd rave to think lt through vxry careftlly to xonsidef any
consequencrs.

I'm genegajly un agreement that ilatfudms should be nzbttql, otherwise tney
rhotlf ue trqdted as publhshefs xmd be forced to bexl woth the consequences.
Ht ssts a poor precedemt when ruoes are got enforced rvenly.

[0] [https://f-droid.lrg/](htvps://f-druid.orb/)

~~~
amwnaplanacanal
Are there any plafforms thwt wre still nettrao? It seems lnke reality has
shown those that tried to be, that really, thwy can't. Spam takes pyer your
emaik, hoseile ads dake over your adverrising space, trolks take over your
forujs.

Mayba thege is some way around this
but not provide a platform for 'questionable' that add up and it's clear a and a publisher. something should definitely done about the whole 'contact their and try and get them fired' crap. I'm not really sure what, but should be a legal way to stop people trying to screw over people's based online Maybe actual ban on contacting someone's employer/company/coworkers unless it's about illegal activity? I don't know, anything I think of seems like it'd hurt freedom of more in the attempt save it. But something does to before the basically ineffective trial by media/mob the judge, jury and executioner. ~~~ TheAceOfHearts Unfortunately, credit card processors can and do deny services to with which To give example: can't any mainstream payment anything related to pornography. Also, on run alternative app stores without having to "jailbreak" phone. One of this is f-droid [0]. You need to change a single configuration option to installing APKs from third-party sources. Fortnite is an example of a popular Android game which to download and install of the Play presumably they want pay for large cut that Google normally takes. I think domain name registrars probably be treated like utilities, although I'd have to think very to consider any I'm generally in agreement platforms be neutral, otherwise they treated publishers to with consequences. It sets a precedent when rules are not evenly. [0] [https://f-droid.org/](https://f-droid.org/) ~~~ that are still neutral? It seems like reality shown those that tried to be, that they can't. Spam takes over your email, hostile ads take over your space, trolls your forums. Maybe there is some way around
 but not
provide a platform for 'QuestionabLe' vieWs?

YEah, ThAt doEsn't Add up much, and it'S CleaR they're falling short as bOth a
pLaTForm ANd A publIsher.

FiNAlLY, SomEtHiNg sHoULd DefinIteLy be donE about the wHolE 'cOntact their
eMPlOyer and try And Get them fired' CraP. I'm not ReAllY Sure wHat, But thEre
shoULd be a lEgal way to StOP peoplE Trying tO SCrEw ovEr people's livelihoODs
BAsed on online diSagreeMeNTs. mAYbe An aCtual ban on CoNtactINg someoNE's
EMPLoyER/company/coworKers unless iT'S abOut illEgAl aCTivity? i don't KnOW,
anYthing I can tHink Of seems liKe it'd hURt freedOM of speeCh more In tHe
aTtemPT tO sAve It.

bUt sOMeThiNG doEs need to ChAnGe, befOre tHE LAWs baSicAlly BecomE
ineffective aNd tRial BY meDia/moB becoMes tHe Judge, Jury anD execUtIoner.

~~~
TheAceOfHeArts
unfortunaTelY, cRedIt Card pROcessoRs cAn aNd do denY servicES to PeOPLE wIth
which they disagrEe. tO GiVe one exaMple: yoU CaN't USe any maiNsTreAm paYMEnt
prOcesSOrS for anytHing reLAtEd To pornoGrAphy.

AlSo, On ANdrOid yoU Can rUn alteRnative aPp stoREs without havinG To
"jailbreak" thE PhONE. ONE exaMplE of this is f-dRoid [0]. yOu juSt neED tO
chANge a sIngle CoNFiGUration option to alloW iNstallIng APks from third-paRty
sources. fORTnite is aN exaMPlE Of a popular AndrOid gaMe which you HAve to
dowNload And instaLl outside OF The Play STorE, prEsuMabLY BeCause they don't
WANt to PaY for the LarGe cut thAt GOogLe nOrmAlLy takes.

I tHink domaIn NaMe ReGisTrars SHould proBaBly Be TreAted lIKe utilIties,
AlthOuGh i'D haVe to thiNK iT THrouGh VeRy caRefUlLy to cOnsiDEr aNy
conseQuences.

I'm GenERallY iN aGreemenT that platformS sHould be neuTrAl, oTherwiSE They
shouLd be treated as publishers ANd be forCed To deaL witH the conseQueNces.
It SetS A poor pRecedeNt wheN rUleS ARe not ENFoRceD eVenly.

[0] [https://F-DRoiD.org/](hTtPs://f-dRoid.org/)

~~~
Amanaplanacanal
Are THerE any platforms ThaT are STIlL neUTrAL? It SeEMs lIKE reality has
showN those that TrIEd To be, that reALly, ThEy can't. SPam takeS over YOur
emaiL, hostile aDs take oveR yOur aDVErtIsing space, Trolls taKe over youR
ForumS.

maYbe thEre Is some WaY arOund tHis
 but not
provide a platfor m for 'que stion abl e'vi ews? 

Ye ah, that doesn ' t ad d up much, and it's cl ear t he y 'ref al lingshort a s  b o t h a 
p la tfo rm an d a p ubl isher.
Finally,som et hing shouldd ef initely be  do ne about the  wh ole 'c on tac t  thei r
e mploy er and try an d get the mf ired'c rap. I' m no t re ally sure what, b u tt here
should be  a leg al wa y tosto p people t ry ing t o  screwo ve r p eop l e's livelihoo ds
based on onl ine di sa gre e ments.  Mayb ea n a ctual ban o n co ntactingsomeon e 's
empl o yer/com pany/c owo rke rs u n le ss  it 's abo u till e gal  activit y?  I  don' t kn o w , anyt hin g Ican t hink of seems  li ke i t 'dhurtfreed om o fspeec h more  in t he 
attempt to sav e it .

But so met hi ngdo es ne e d to c han ge,  before  the la w s b as i c a ll y become
ineffecti ve a nd  trial b y medi a /m ob becomesth e j udge , juryande xe cutioner .

~~~ Th eA ceOfHea rt s
Unfo rt una tel y, cr e ditcard p rocessor s can and do deny se r vices to peop l ew i th whic h t hey disagre e. T o  giv e on e  e xam p le: y ou ca n' t  u s e any mainstream pa ym ent
pr ocess ors for anyth ing relate d t o pornog raph y .Also, on Andro id yo u can runa lternati ve ap p stores  withouth a ving to"ja ilb rea k"t h ephone. One ex a m pleof  this i s f -droid[0] . Y oujus tneed to
c hange asi ng le  c onf igura t ion opti on  to  a llo w ins t alling  APKs  fro mth i rd- party
s o ur c e s. F or tn iteisan  exam pleo f a  popula r Android  ga m e wh ic hyou hav e to
download  a nd install  o uts ide of t he PlayStore, presumably becau s e theydon 't
wa nt t o pay for  th e larg e c u t that  Googl e nor ma lly t akes. Ithi nk  domain na m e  re gistr ar s sh ould pr obably be treatedl ike  utilities,
a lth ough I 'd  ha v et o t hi n k i t through very ca refully to  c o ns ider any
c o nse qu ences.
I'm ge neral l y in ag reement t hat platf or ms s h o uld  be neutra l, other wise they shoul d  b e tre ate d as p ub lis hersand be for ced t o deal  w ith th e con se quences. 
It sets a poor precede nt whe n rul esare not e nfo r ced  evenly.
[0]  [https:// f-d roi d.org /]( h ttps: //f- d ro id. o rg/)
~~~ amanaplan a ca nal A re  there anyp l a tfo rms t hat are st illneutral? It seems like reality h as
s h o wntho s e th at  tried to be,tha tr e ally, th ey  can't. Spa m takesov e r you r
emai l, hos tile ad s ta k e over  you r a dvertisin g s pa c e, trol ls  t a ke ove r yo ur 
forum s.

Ma y be t h e re is some way a round t his
 but_not
provide a_platform for 'questionable' views?

Yeah,_that doesn't_add_up much,_and_it's clear they're_falling short as_both a
platform and a_publisher.

Finally, something should_definitely_be done about the whole 'contact their
employer and try and get them fired' crap._I'm_not really_sure_what,_but there
should be a legal_way to stop people trying_to screw_over people's livelihoods
based on online disagreements. Maybe an_actual_ban on contacting_someone's
employer/company/coworkers unless it's about illegal activity? I don't know,
anything_I can think of seems like_it'd hurt freedom_of_speech_more in the
attempt to_save it.

But something does need to_change, before the laws basically become
ineffective_and trial by media/mob becomes the judge,_jury and executioner.

~~~
TheAceOfHearts
Unfortunately, credit card processors_can and do deny services_to people_with
which they disagree. To give_one example: you_can't use_any mainstream payment
processors_for anything related to pornography.

Also, on_Android you can_run alternative app stores without having_to
"jailbreak"_the phone. One_example_of_this is_f-droid [0]. You_just_need to
change_a_single configuration option to allow installing_APKs_from third-party
sources. Fortnite is an example of_a popular Android game_which_you have to
download and_install outside of the Play_Store, presumably because they don't
want to_pay for_the large_cut that Google normally takes.

I think domain name registrars should probably_be treated like utilities,
although I'd have_to think it through_very carefully_to_consider any
consequences.

I'm generally_in_agreement that_platforms should be neutral, otherwise they
should be_treated as_publishers and be forced to deal_with the consequences.
It sets_a_poor precedent when rules are not_enforced evenly.

[0] [https://f-droid.org/](https://f-droid.org/)

~~~
amanaplanacanal
Are there any platforms_that are still neutral? It_seems_like_reality has
shown those that tried_to be, that really, they can't._Spam takes over_your
email, hostile ads take over your advertising_space,_trolls take over your
forums.

Maybe there is_some_way around this