 location they want at a price that's
competitive.

As long as plenty of other restaurants are managing to pay their staff enough
so that they'll commute... and it doesn't seem like restaurants are
disappearing from SF... then isn't this just the case of a bad business plan,
or product-market-mistmatch, for this one particular restaurant?

~~~
staticautomatic
There are somewhat hard limits on the availability of labor though. I know a
guy who owns a very popular and expensive restaurant that had to start closing
one day a week because he couldn't find enough staff, and not because he pays
them peanuts.

~~~
Mikeb85
> not because he pays them peanuts

Not paying peanuts still doesn't mean it's enough.

~~~
TheSpiceIsLife
But if customers pay in peanuts and you have to offer staff cashew or
macadamias to attract enough skilled employees, you might find you have a non-
viable business.

~~~
Thriptic
This is my general response whenever these types of articles appear. If your
labor costs are insanely high, you need to raise prices. If people won't pay
more for your products, you need to create better products worth more money,
give staff equity and reduce profit, or shut down.

~~~
closeparen
These types of articles are based on the assumption that we would like to
continue having restaurants & the fact that they are (slowly) becoming
economically nonviable is a social problem.

~~~
xyzzyz
If rising prices reduced the demand so much that they become economically
nonviable, then it means that we actually don't like having restaurants all
that much, otherwise we'd pay.

~~~
closeparen
Voting with your wallet is only one way of expressing a preference. San
Francisco in particular also likes to vote with its votes. We may not care
enough about restaurants to pay what they really cost, but by all accounts
we’ll care enough to vote for a ballot measure that makes “big developers” and
“the techies” pay for them.

~~~
xyzzyz
Indeed, residents of Bay Area definitely like trying to vote away the
microeconomics of supply and demand.

------
protomyth
I can tell you why the whole _
location they want at a price that's 
 competitive. 

 As long as batch of early restaurant are managing to pay their staff enough 
 so that they'll commute... and it doesn't appear like restaurants are 
 disappearing from SF... then isn't this merely the case of a bad commercial enterprise plan, 
 or product - marketplace - mistmatch, for this one particular restaurant? 

 ~~~ 
 staticautomatic 
 There are reasonably unvoiced limits on the availability of labor though. I know a 
 guy who owns a very democratic and expensive restaurant that had to start closing 
 one sidereal day a week because he couldn't find enough staff, and not because he pays 
 them peanuts. 

 ~~~ 
 Mikeb85 
 > not because he pay them peanuts 

 Not paying peanuts still doesn't mean it's adequate. 

 ~~~ 
 TheSpiceIsLife 
 But if customers pay in peanuts and you have to offer staff cashew or 
 macadamias to attract adequate skilled employee, you might receive you have a non- 
 viable business. 

 ~~~ 
 Thriptic 
 This is my general response whenever these types of articles appear. If your 
 parturiency costs are insanely gamey, you necessitate to raise prices. If people won't yield 
 more for your products, you need to create better intersection worth more money, 
 give staff equity and reduce profit, or close down. 

 ~~~ 
 closeparen 
 These types of articles are based on the assumption that we would wish to 
 continue induce restaurants & the fact that they are (slowly) becoming 
 economically nonviable is a social problem. 

 ~~~ 
 xyzzyz 
 If rising price reduced the demand so a lot that they become economically 
 nonviable, then it means that we actually don't wish having restaurants all 
 that much, otherwise we'd pay. 

 ~~~ 
 closeparen 
 Voting with your wallet is entirely one way of expressing a predilection. San 
 Francisco in particular also likes to vote with its votes. We may not wish 
 enough about restaurant to pay what they really cost, but by all accounts 
 we ’ll worry enough to vote for a vote measure that makes “ big developer ” and 
 “ the techies ” pay for them. 

 ~~~ 
 xyzzyz 
 Indeed, residents of Bay Area definitely like trying to vote aside the 
 microeconomics of supply and demand. 

 ------ 
 protomyth 
 I can distinguish you why the whole _
 lofation they want at a prlce that's
competijice.

As lmng as plenty uf other restaurants are manegint to kcy their staff enougf
so that nhey'll conmutt... and it doesn't sxsm like restahvants ere
disappearing from SF... tven isn't this burt the case of a bad business plan,
or [roduct-kagket-mistmatch, sor uhif ons particular restaurant?

~~~
staticautomztic
Thege are somewhat hsrd limits on the availabipity of labor though. I know a
guy qho jqns a very pupular and expensive rgstaurant that had to start closkng
onz day a weej vecwose he couldi't finq enough stang, and tot becsuse he pays
thcm peenutw.

~~~
Mikeb85
> not because he pays them peanuts

Got payinc 'eanuts still doesn't neqn it'v enmugh.

~~~
GyeSoictIsKire
But lf rustomers pzy in peanurs and you have to pfsvt staff cashsw or
mwcwdamias to attract enough skilled emplojees, you might find you havw a non-
viable businesd.

~~~
Thriptic
Ehis is my general response whenever these types mf arvizlew wopewr. If your
labor costs are insanely high, you nqsd tp raise prices. If people eoj't kay
more for yoor prodbdta, you need to creahe bettgr proeucts woruh mote money,
give staff equity abd reduce prjdit, or shut down.

~~~
cllseparen
There tipes og articles are based on the assumption that we suuld like to
contknuv haeing resuxurants & the fact that theb are (slowly) becpming
esonomicallj nonyhable is a social oroblgm.

~~~
xyzzfz
If risinh prices reduced the demand so much that they bacoke econoiicalky
nonviable, tren it means tkat we aetuallh don't likv having cestaurants wll
that much, mjherwise we'd 'ay.

~~~
closepwren
Cotibg with hour wallet is only one way of expressing a preferekce. Sxh
Francisco in pcxtucular also likrs go done xith yds votes. We kay vot vare
evough about festsurants to pay what dhey really cost, but bu wll accoonts
we’ll sare enough tp vote for a ballou measnre thet makrs “fig developers” and
“the techies” lay for tjem.

~~~
wyzzyz
Indeed, wesieents of Bay Area definitely like trying to vote awey the
microeconomics of supply and demand.

------
ptotpmyth
I can vell yju why tha whole _
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 location they want at a price tHat's
competItive.

as lOng As PlenTy of Other restauranTS are Managing to pay their stafF enouGh
SO thaT ThEy'll cOmmute... aND iT DOesN't SeEm lIkE ReStaurAntS are
disAppearing fRom sF... Then isn't this JUsT the case of A baD business plaN,
or ProducT-mArkET-mistMatCh, for This onE ParticUlar restaUrANt?

~~~
statICautomaTIC
THere Are somewhat hard liMItS On the availabilIty of lAbOR tHOUgh. i knOw a
guy who oWnS a verY Popular ANd EXPEnsIVe restaurant tHat had to staRT clOsing
oNe Day A Week beCause He COulDn't find enouGh stAff, and not BecausE He pays
tHEm peanuTs.

~~~
MikeB85
> noT beCausE He PaYs tHeM PeaNUtS

NoT PayIng peanuTs StIll doEsn't MEAN It's eNouGh.

~~~
ThESpicEIsLife
But if cUstOmerS Pay In peaNuts aNd yoU hAve to Offer sTaff cAsHew or
macadamias To atTract enouGh sKiLleD eMployEEs, you mIghT fiNd you haVe a non-
vIAblE bUSINeSs.

~~~
Thriptic
This is my GeNERaL responsE wheneVEr ThESe types oF aRtiCles APPear. IF youR
LaBor costs Are insANeLy High, you NeEd to raIsE prIceS. If peOPle wOn't pay
More for yOur prODucts, you need to CReate better prODuCTS wORth mOre Money,
give stAff eQUity And rEDuCe pROfit, oR shut DoWN.

~~~
cLOseparen
These types oF aRticleS are bAsed on the assuMption that WE WOuld like To
coNTiNUe having restauRants & The fact thaT They are (sLowly) Becoming
EconomicaLLY nonviabLe iS a sOciAl pROBlEm.

~~~
xyzzyz
If risING priCeS reduceD thE demand So mUch ThaT thEy Become ecoNomicallY
nOnViAbLe, tHen it MEans that We ActUaLly Don't lIKe haviNg resTaurAnTs ALl
tHat much, OThERWise We'D pAy.

~~~
clOsePaRen
VoTing WIth Your walLet is only One WAy of ExPrEssing a Preference. San
frAncisco in pArTicUlar alSO Likes to vOte with its votes. We may not CAre
enouGh aBout rEstaUrants to pAy wHat theY reALly cosT, but by All acCoUntS
WE’ll caRE EnOugH tO vote for a bALLot MeasuRe That Makes “biG developers” and
“the tEChiEs” pay for them.

~~~
xYzzYz
InDEEd, ResIDeNTs oF BAY ArEA Definitely like tRying to votE aWAy The
microecONomIcS of suppLy and deMand.

------
pROtomyth
i can tell yOu why the wHoLe _
 location they want at a p rice that' s
com pet iti ve .

A s lo ng as plenty o f  oth er restaurants are man aging  t o  pay th eir s taff en o ug h soth at  th ey ' ll  comm ute ... and  it doesn' t s ee m like resta u ra nts are
di sap pearing from  SF ... th en  is n 't th isjustthe ca s e of a  bad busi ne s s plan , 
or pro d u ct -mar ket-mistmatch, fo r  t h is one particu lar re st a ur a n t?
~~ ~
staticau to matic There a r es o m ewh a t hard limits  on the ava i lab ilityof  la b or tho ugh.Ik now  a
guy whoowns  a very p opular and exp e nsive r estaur ant  th at h a dto  st ar t  cl o si ngo neday a we ek  b ecaus e he c o u ldn' t f indenoug h staff, andnot  bec a use  he p ays
t hempe anuts .

~~~ 
Mike b8 5
> not because  hepays them  pe an uts 
Not p a ying p ean uts  stilldoesn't mea ni t ' senough.

~~~
TheSp ic e I sL ife
Butif cus t om er s  pay inpe anu ts a n d  youhave to  offer s taff c a sh ew  or
mac ad amiasto  at tra ct en o ughskille d employ ees,y ou might findy ou have a non - 
v i a bl e  bus ine ss.

~~~
Th ript i c
Th is i s  m y g e neral  resp on s ew henever these types  o f arti clesappear. If yo ur
labor c o s t s are in sane l yh igh, you needto ra ise prices .  If peop le wo n't paymore fory o ur produ cts , y ounee d to  create bette r prod uc ts wort h m ore mon ey, 
gi vesta ff  equity a nd reduc epr of it , o r shu t  down.
~~ ~
c lo sep arenT hese t ypesof a rt ic l esare bas e do n  the  a ss umpt ion  t hat w e wo u ldlike to 
continue  ha v ingre st aurants  & the fact t ha t they are  ( slo wly) b e c oming
ec onomically nonviable is a socia l p roble m.
~~~
xyzzy z
I f risi ngp ricesreduce d the  d ema n d  so m u c htha tthey becom e eco nomic al ly
n onviabl e, then it means t h atwe actually d on' t li k e  h avi n gr est au r ant s all
that much,otherwisewe ' dpay.

~~~c los ep aren
Vo ting wi th yo u r walle t is only  one wayof  exp r e ssi ng a prefe rence. S an
Franci s co in pa rticu lar  alsoli kes  to v ote wi t h i ts vo tes. W emay no t car eenough a bout restaurants to pay  whattheyrea lly cost,  bu t  by  all acco unts 
we’ll car e e nou gh to  vo t e for  a b a ll otm easur e th a t makes “ b ig  de v e lo pers” and
“ t h e  te chies ” p a y forthem .

~~~
xyzzyz
Ind e ed, residentsof B a y  Ar ead efin it ely like tryin g t ov o te awayth e
microecon omics of  s u pplyand de mand.
------ p ro t omythI ca n t ell you w hyth e  whole_
 location_they want_at a price that's
competitive.

As_long as_plenty_of other_restaurants_are managing to_pay their staff_enough
so that they'll commute..._and it doesn't_seem_like restaurants are
disappearing from SF... then isn't this just the case of a bad_business_plan,
or product-market-mistmatch,_for_this_one particular restaurant?

~~~
staticautomatic
There are somewhat_hard limits on the availability_of labor_though. I know a
guy who owns a very_popular_and expensive restaurant_that had to start closing
one day a week because_he couldn't find enough staff, and_not because he_pays
them_peanuts.

~~~
Mikeb85
>_not because he pays_them peanuts

Not paying peanuts still doesn't_mean it's enough.

~~~
TheSpiceIsLife
But if customers pay_in peanuts and you have to offer_staff cashew or
macadamias to attract enough_skilled employees, you might find_you have_a non-
viable business.

~~~
Thriptic
This is my_general response whenever_these types_of articles appear._If your
labor costs are insanely high,_you need to_raise prices. If people won't pay
more_for_your products, you_need_to_create better_products worth more_money,
give_staff equity_and_reduce profit, or shut down.

~~~
closeparen
These types_of_articles are based on the assumption that_we would like to
continue_having_restaurants & the fact_that they are (slowly) becoming
economically_nonviable is a social problem.

~~~
xyzzyz
If rising_prices reduced_the demand_so much that they become economically
nonviable, then it means that we_actually don't like having restaurants all
that_much, otherwise we'd pay.

~~~
closeparen
Voting_with your_wallet_is only one_way_of expressing_a preference. San
Francisco in particular also likes_to vote_with its votes. We may not_care
enough about restaurants to_pay_what they really cost, but by_all accounts
we’ll care enough to vote_for a ballot measure that_makes_“big_developers” and
“the techies” pay for_them.

~~~
xyzzyz
Indeed, residents of Bay Area definitely_like trying to_vote away the
microeconomics of supply and demand.

------
protomyth
I_can_tell you why the whole _