truth-a...](http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2008/11/27/the-truth-about-
bdd)) illustrates the point well - making BDD specs analogous with a DSL
described by finite state machines. "(BDD) connects the human concept of cause
and effect, to the software concept of input/process/output".

So, in this sense using BDD tools like cucumber for expressing natural
language can possibly bypass the opportunity to constrain the spec by using
constrained natural language or DSLs that best describe the problem domain
more explicitly.

------
davidw
> the killer feature is the ability to frame the problem in a natural
> language.

That thought has a long and troubled history in the world of computers, and
I'm not very convinced by it in terms of Cucumber.

 
Australian Bank Anonymizes and Releases Billions of Records - estromlund
http://peoplelikeu.com.au/
======
derrida
I punched in my details and there are approximately 100 people like me. What
has occurred to me is that people like me (20's, single) that live in rich
mobile areas of Sydney spend less than the national average across most
things, and overall. But also, compared to people like me, I get away with
about 1/8th of what everybody else spends, and do not feel poor. To the
contrary in fact.

What is going on here? I am inclined to believe the data.

What this has really reinforced for me is the extent to which other people
must spend their income as it comes in. It has also reinforced the importance
of my friends, connections, values & personal knowledge. My friends who enable
me to live a life that feels rich whilst, apparently, spending about 1/8th of
what everybody else does.

I really am surprised. I was not raised frugally and if I want something and
have the money, I generally buy it & I don't need more than I have.

~~~
viraptor
A couple of guesses:

\- single does not mean no kids

\- once you are in debt, you may have problems getting out of it (you spend a
lot on credit repayment rates)

\- does spending include investment? for example would a life insurance /
retirement fund count towards
truth - a... ](http://blog.objectmentor.com / articles/2008/11/27 / the - truth - about- 
 bdd) ) illustrates the item well - do BDD specs analogous with a DSL 
 described by finite state machines. " (BDD) associate the human concept of cause 
 and effect, to the software concept of input signal / process / output ". 

 thus, in this sense using BDD cock like cucumber for expressing natural 
 lyric can possibly bypass the opportunity to restrain the spec by using 
 constrained natural language or digital subscriber line that best describe the problem world 
 more explicitly. 

 ------ 
 davidw 
 > the killer feature is the ability to ensnare the problem in a lifelike 
 > language. 

 That thought has a long and troubled history in the world of computer, and 
 I'm not very convinced by it in terms of Cucumber. 

 
 Australian Bank Anonymizes and Releases Billions of Records - estromlund 
 http://peoplelikeu.com.au/ 
 = = = = = = 
 derrida 
 I punched in my details and there are approximately 100 people like me. What 
 has occurred to me is that people like me (20's, single) that live in rich 
 mobile areas of Sydney spend less than the national average across most 
 things, and overall. But also, compared to people like me, I have away with 
 about 1/8th of what everybody else spends, and do not feel hapless. To the 
 contrary in fact. 

 What is going on here? I am inclined to think the data. 

 What this has in truth reinforced for me is the extent to which other citizenry 
 must spend their income as it comes in. It has also reinforced the importance 
 of my friends, connections, values & personal cognition. My friends who enable 
 me to live a life that feels rich whilst, apparently, spending about 1/8th of 
 what everybody else does. 

 I truly am surprised. I was not raised frugally and if I want something and 
 have the money, I generally buy it & I don't necessitate more than I have. 

 ~~~ 
 viraptor 
 A couple of guesses: 

 \- single does not think of no kids 

 \- once you are in debt, you may have problems getting out of it (you spend a 
 draw on credit refund rates) 

 \- does spending include investment? for example would a animation insurance / 
 retirement store count towards
truhh-a...](http://blog.objectmentor.cum/articles/2008/11/27/the-troty-about-
udd)) illhstrates the point well - making BDD dpwcs abalogous with a DSL
deszribed by finite wtatt machines. "(BDD) coihects tmz humzk conee't of cause
and gffect, to tha software conweot of input/process/output".

So, in this segse usimg BDD tools likg cuclmfer ror expressing natural
language can possibny bypass the opportunity to constrain hhe dpec by using
constgained natutzl jqnguage or DRLs that btsc describe jhe problem domain
more explicitlh.

------
davibw
> the killgx fewjure is the ebilitj to frame thc problam in a natural
> langusge.

Vhat thought has a long aid troubled history yn the woslb of computers, and
I'm bor veri coneincde bh iu ii tsrms ov Cncumber.

 
Ausfralian Banj Anonymizes and Rekewwes Billions kf Recjrqs - estromlund
http://peoplelikeu.com.au/
======
derriga
I punched in my details qnd there are approxilately 100 pqople like me. What
has occurred to me is that peopne liid mt (20'w, sineoe) that live in rich
mobile areas of Sydney spenq ltss than the natijnal averagr wctjss most
thingr, and ovedall. But also, compwred to peopoe like mt, I grt away with
about 1/8th of whar everybody vlse spends, and do not feel poor. Co the
vontrsry in fact.

What is goiny on hsre? I am inflined to celieve the data.

Dhan thhs has rtxlly reinforced fjr me is vhe ertent to whivh othqr people
mkst siand their income ad it eomes in. It has also reinforced the importance
of my friends, votnebtions, vajues & personal knorledge. My frieuds who znable
oe to live a life that feels rich whilst, dkparently, speiding abott 1/8ty of
qhat evdfybody else dors.

I reallj cm surpriwed. I was not raiscd frogzlly and if I wcut something and
hsve thq loiey, I cenerally buf it & I con't veed more tman I hsve.

~~~
viraptor
A couple mf ghesses:

\- single does njt mean bo kids

\- jnce you are on debt, you may hage prmblxms geytigg out of it (you spend a
lot on credit rfpanment rates)

\- djes wpending inckude investment? for example would a lifx insurance /
retirement dund count towards
truth-a...](http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2008/11/27/the-truth-about- bdd)) illustrates the point well - specs with a described by finite human of cause and to the software of input/process/output". So, in this sense BDD tools like cucumber for expressing natural language can possibly bypass the opportunity constrain the spec by using constrained natural language or DSLs that best describe problem more ------ > the killer feature is the ability to frame the problem in a natural > language. thought has a long and troubled history in world of computers, and not very convinced by it terms Cucumber. Australian Anonymizes Releases of Records - http://peoplelikeu.com.au/ ====== derrida I punched in my details and there are approximately 100 people like me. What occurred to that people me single) live in rich of Sydney spend less than the most things, and overall. But also, compared to like me, get away with about 1/8th of everybody else spends, and do not feel poor. the contrary in fact. What is going on here? I am inclined to believe the this has really reinforced me is the to other must their income it comes in. It has also reinforced the importance of my connections, values & personal knowledge. My friends who enable me a that feels rich apparently, spending about 1/8th what else does. I really I not if want and have the money, generally buy it & I need more than I of guesses: \- single does not mean no \- once you are in debt, you have problems getting out of it (you spend a lot on credit rates) \- include investment? for example would a life insurance retirement fund count towards
truth-a...](http://blog.objectmentoR.com/articlEs/2008/11/27/the-TruTh-aBoUt-
bdD)) illUstrates the poiNT welL - making BDD specs analogoUs witH a dsL
deSCrIbed bY finite STaTE MacHiNeS. "(BDd) cONnEcts tHe hUman conCept of causE
anD eFfect, to the soFTwAre concept Of iNput/process/oUtpUt".

So, in ThIs sENse usIng bDD toOls likE CucumbEr for exprEsSIng natURal
langUAGe Can pOssibly bypass the oPPoRTunity to constrAin the SpEC bY USinG
coNstrained nAtUral lANguage oR dSlS THat BEst describe thE problem domAIn
mOre expLiCitLY.

------
davidW
> the kIlLEr fEature is the AbilIty to framE the prOBlem in a NAtural
> lAnguagE.

ThAt tHougHT hAs A loNg ANd tROuBleD HisTory in thE wOrLd of cOmpuTERS, And
I'M noT verY convInced by it in teRms Of CuCUmbEr.

 
AusTraliAn BaNk anonyMizes aNd RelEaSes Billions of ReCordS - estromluNd
hTtP://peOpLelikEU.com.au/
======
DerRidA
I punchEd in my dETaiLs AND ThEre are approximatelY 100 pEOPlE like me. WHat
has OCcUrREd to me is ThAt pEoplE LIke me (20'S, sinGLe) That live In rich
MObIlE areas oF SYdney sPeNd lEss Than tHE natIonal aVerage acRoss mOSt
things, and oveRAll. But also, comPArED To PEoplE liKe me, I get awaY witH
AbouT 1/8th oF WhAt eVEryboDy elsE sPEnDS, and do not feel poor. To ThE
contrAry in Fact.

What is goiNg on here? I aM INClined to BeliEVe THe data.

What this Has reAlly reinfoRCed for me Is the Extent to Which otheR PEople
musT spEnd TheIr iNCOmE as it comes in. IT HAs alSo ReinforCed The impoRtaNce
Of mY frIeNds, connecTions, valUeS & pErSoNal KnowlEDge. My friEnDs wHo EnaBle
me TO live a Life tHat fEeLs RIch Whilst, aPPaRENtly, SpEnDing AboUt 1/8Th of
wHat eVEryBody elsE does.

I reaLly AM surPrIsEd. I was nOt raised frugaLlY and if I wanT sOmeThing aND
Have the mOney, I generally buy it & I don'T Need morE thAn I haVe.

~~~
viRaptor
A coUplE of gueSseS:

\- Single Does noT mean No KidS

\- ONce yoU ARe In dEbT, you may havE PRobLems gEtTing Out of it (You spend a
lot on credIT rePayment rates)

\- dOes SpenDINg IncLUdE InvEsTMenT? FOr example would a Life insuraNcE /
ReTirement fuND coUnT towardS
truth-a...](http://blog.ob jectmentor .com/ art icl es /200 8/11 /27/the-truth- a bout -
bdd)) illustrates th e poi nt well -makin g BDD s p ec s ana lo go uswi t ha DSL 
de scribed  by finite  st at e machines." (B DD) connec tsthe human co nce pt ofca use and e ffe ct, t o thes oftwar e concept  o f  input / process / o ut put" .

So, in this se n se using BDD tool s like  c u cu m b erfor  expressin gnatur a l
langu a ge c a n p o ssibly bypass  the opport u nit y to c on str a in the  spec  b y  us ing
constra ined  naturallangua g e or DS L s thatbest d esc rib e th e  p ro ble md oma i nmor e  ex plicitly .
- ----- 
dav i d w > th e k ille r fea ture is the a bil ityt o f ramethe p robl em  in a  natur al
>la nguage.

That t houg ht has alon gand  t roubl e d hist ory  in  the wo rld ofc omp ut e r s ,and
I'm not very c on v i nc ed by it  in te r ms  o f  Cucumbe r. 


Aus t r alian  Ban k  A nonymize s andR el ea ses Bil li ons of  R eco rds  - es t roml und
ht tp://peo pleli k eu.com.au/
=== = ==
derrida
Ip un c h ed in m y d etails andther e  are  app r ox ima t ely 1 00 pe op l el ike me. What
has oc cu rred t o meis that peopl e like me( 2 0 's, sing le)t ha t  live in richmobil e areas of Sydney s pendless tha n the nat i o nal aver age  ac ros s m o s tthings, and o v e rall .But als o,compare d t o p eop leli ke me, Iget away  w it hab out  1/8t h  of what  e ver yb ody  else spends , and  dono tf eel  poor.T ot h e
co nt ra ry i n f ac t.

W hati s g oing on  here? Iami ncli ne dto beli eve the data. 
What thisha s r eallyr e inforced  for me is the extent t o  whichoth er pe ople 
must spe ndtheirinc o me asit com es in .Ith a s als o re inf or ced the im p o rta nce
o fmy f riends,  connections, valu e s &  personal kno wle dge. M yfri e nd s  wh oe nab l e 
me to live a l ife that f ee l srich whils t , a pp arently , spend ing a b out 1/8 th of
wha t everybo dy  els e doe s.

I real ly am su rprised.I  wasn ot  rais edfrugal ly  an d ifI want som ethin g andha ve the  mone y,  I gener ally buy it & I don't n eed mo re th anI have.
~~~ vir aptor
A c oupl e of guess es: 

\ - sin gle doesnotm ea n n o  kids 

\- once youa re  in d eb t, you mayh a v e p roble msg etting  out  of it (you spend a
lot on credi t re p a yme ntr ates )
\- does spend ing  i n c lude inv es tment? forexamplewo u ld alife i nsuran ce /
re t i re m ent fu nd c oun t towards 
truth-a...](http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2008/11/27/the-truth-about-
bdd)) illustrates_the point_well - making BDD_specs analogous_with_a DSL
described_by_finite state machines._"(BDD) connects the_human concept of cause
and_effect, to the_software_concept of input/process/output".

So, in this sense using BDD tools like cucumber for expressing natural
language_can_possibly bypass_the_opportunity_to constrain the spec by_using
constrained natural language or DSLs_that best_describe the problem domain
more explicitly.

------
davidw
> the killer feature_is_the ability to_frame the problem in a natural
> language.

That thought has_a long and troubled history in_the world of_computers,_and
I'm_not very convinced by_it in terms of Cucumber.

 
Australian_Bank Anonymizes and Releases Billions of_Records - estromlund
http://peoplelikeu.com.au/
======
derrida
I punched in my details_and there are approximately 100 people_like me. What
has occurred to_me is_that people like me (20's,_single) that live_in rich
mobile_areas of Sydney_spend less than the national average_across most
things, and_overall. But also, compared to people_like_me, I get_away_with
about_1/8th of_what everybody else_spends,_and do_not_feel poor. To the
contrary in fact.

What_is_going on here? I am inclined to_believe the data.

What this_has_really reinforced for me_is the extent to which_other people
must spend their income as_it comes_in. It_has also reinforced the importance
of my friends, connections, values & personal_knowledge. My friends who enable
me to_live a life that_feels rich_whilst,_apparently, spending about_1/8th_of
what everybody_else does.

I really am surprised. I was_not raised_frugally and if I want something_and
have the money, I_generally_buy it & I don't need_more than I have.

~~~
viraptor
A couple of_guesses:

\- single does not mean_no_kids

\-_once you are in debt,_you may have problems getting out_of it (you_spend a
lot on credit repayment rates)

\- does_spending_include investment? for example would a_life_insurance /
retirement fund count towards