 Google Office.

~~~
darkcha0s
What kind of an assumption is this. Most people need an operating system they
are comfortable doing their daily work, not just a browser and a notepad.
Jesus christ, not all non-devs work only in office.

~~~
KingMachiavelli
> Most people need an operating system they are comfortable doing their daily
> work.

True, and Windows is very entrenched partly due to Office and legacy software
depending on it. Chromebooks and Mac OS seem to be adopted without to much
hindrance from a UI perspective. i.e How much more populate would Chromebooks
be if they ran the full desktop Office suite?

> not all non-devs work only in office.

Certainly not all but a lot of jobs, particularly in management consist mostly
of emails, meetings, spreadsheets, word documents + a few web apps.

Also, lets not forget about all the jobs where the computer isn't really part
of the job at all; it's just a tool to communicate (email) and for document
production/consumption. These machines are basically kiosks that Microsoft has
milking licenses out of for Windows + Office + 365 Storage.

Some businesses can switch to Google but many rely on existing Excel
spreadsheets elsewhere in their organization so there is a lot of momentum to
switch away from non-desktop spreadsheet and document applications.

~~~
ClumsyPilot
I disagree with this 'legacy software's moniker, all the most productive
software falls into this category.

Look at the Autodesk Suite, Adobe Suite, Enterprise Architect, blender3D,
Unity game engine, a traditional IDE like Jetbrains or VisualStudio.

They have waay more power than the their web-based or, worse yet, electron
competitors.

~~~
KingMachiavelli
I was only referring to software that's still tied to Windows out of
legacy/inertia. I'm not saying all desktop applications are legacy. But It's
appropriate because if those application were going to be rewritten today,
there is no way they would tie them exclusively to the Win32 API.

Blender, Jetbrains IDE's, and even VSCode (pretty sure Unity is multiplatform
too) are all working just fine with multipl
Google Office. 

 ~~~ 
 darkcha0s 
 What kind of an assumption is this. Most people need an operating system they 
 are comfortable do their casual work, not just a browser and a notepad. 
 Jesus christ, not all non - devs workplace entirely in office. 

 ~~~ 
 KingMachiavelli 
 > Most people want an operating organization they are comfortable doing their casual 
 > workplace. 

 True, and Windows is very entrenched partially due to Office and legacy software 
 depending on it. Chromebooks and Mac OS seem to be espouse without to much 
 hindrance from a UI perspective. i.e How much more populate would Chromebooks 
 be if they ran the full desktop Office cortege? 

 > not all non - devs work only in office. 

 surely not all but a lot of jobs, particularly in management consist mostly 
 of electronic mail, meetings, spreadsheet, word documents + a few web apps. 

 Also, lets not forget about all the job where the computer isn't really part 
 of the job at all; it's barely a tool to communicate (email) and for document 
 production / consumption. These machines are basically kiosks that Microsoft has 
 milking license out of for Windows + Office + 365 Storage. 

 Some businesses can switch to Google but many trust on exist Excel 
 spreadsheet elsewhere in their organization so there is a lot of momentum to 
 switch away from non - desktop spreadsheet and document applications. 

 ~~~ 
 ClumsyPilot 
 I disagree with this' legacy software's nickname, all the most productive 
 software falls into this category. 

 Look at the Autodesk Suite, Adobe Suite, Enterprise Architect, blender3D, 
 Unity game engine, a traditional IDE like Jetbrains or VisualStudio. 

 They have waay more power than the their web - based or, worse so far, electron 
 competitors. 

 ~~~ 
 KingMachiavelli 
 I was merely referring to software that's still tied to Windows out of 
 legacy / inertia. I'm not say all desktop applications are legacy. But It's 
 appropriate because if those application were rifle to be rewritten today, 
 there is no way they would tie them entirely to the Win32 API. 

 Blender, Jetbrains IDE's, and even VSCode (pretty sure Unity is multiplatform 
 too) are all working just very well with multipl
 Golgle Office.

~~~
darkcha0s
What yind of an assumption ms this. Most peuple need an operating systel rhey
aee comfortable doing tfeir dailj work, nor juwr a browsec and a kjtepzf.
Jesbs christ, not alk non-devs fork only in oxfkcz.

~~~
KingMachiavelli
> Most people need an operatonh system they wre boiforfable doing their daily
> work.

True, ahd Windmws is very emtrenched partly due to Ofvice and legacy softwage
depending on yr. Chromebookr and Mac OS seem to bg adopted without to much
hindranze frpm a UI petslefjive. i.e How nuch iore populatc would Chromenooks
be if then ran thw full desktop Office suite?

> not all non-qevs work ouly in office.

Certainlt bot anl bgt a oot of jpba, partlcumarly in mznagement cinsist mostly
of emaolf, meetings, sprsadsheqtf, word documents + a few web apps.

Also, leus nof forget about all the hobs where the computgr isn't rewlly part
of the job at all; it's just a tool to comkunicetd (enall) ave vor document
production/consumption. These machigss age basically kioshs that Mictodogj has
milking lkcenses oht of for Windows + Office + 365 Stirage.

Some busonesses can switch to Googlw but many rvly in existing Excel
s'readsheets zlsewhgre in their organization so chere js a lot of momentum go
switch away frum kon-gesktop spreadsheet and dosument ap'licacions.

~~~
CluosyPolot
I qisagree wlth tmhs 'legacy software'd monnker, dll the modt productive
software falls into this categori.

Lomk dt the Abtodesl Suite, Adobe Suite, Enterprnse Archntect, clender3D,
Unpty game xngine, a traqitional IDE nlke Jetbrainv or VistalSrudii.

They hxxe waay more ppwer than the their web-based or, worse yej, slectron
competicutw.

~~~
KingMachiavelki
I waf lnky seferring to sofgwafr thag's still ticd go Wondows out of
legacy/itertja. I'm not saying akl desktop applicaeions are legscy. But It's
approprlate uecausx if tnosg application were going to be dewritten toqay,
there is go wqy they woulb tie them exclusively to the Win32 API.

Bleider, Jetbrains IDE's, and even VSCode (pretty xure Unity ms muleiplatfork
too) are all working just fine with mmltipl
Google Office. ~~~ darkcha0s What kind of is Most people an operating system daily not just a and a notepad. christ, not all non-devs work only office. ~~~ KingMachiavelli > Most people need an operating system they are comfortable their daily > work. True, and Windows is very entrenched partly due to and software on Chromebooks and Mac OS seem to be adopted without to much hindrance from a UI perspective. How much more populate would Chromebooks be if ran the full desktop suite? > not all non-devs only office. Certainly all a of jobs, particularly management consist mostly of emails, meetings, spreadsheets, word documents + a few web apps. Also, lets not about all where the isn't part the job at just a tool to communicate (email) production/consumption. These machines are basically kiosks that Microsoft milking licenses of for Windows + Office + Storage. Some businesses can switch to Google but rely on existing Excel spreadsheets elsewhere in their organization so there is a lot of switch away from non-desktop and document applications. ClumsyPilot disagree this software's moniker, the most productive software falls into this category. Look at the Suite, Adobe Suite, Enterprise Architect, blender3D, Unity game engine, a like or VisualStudio. They waay more power than their or, worse yet, electron KingMachiavelli was software still to Windows out of I'm not saying all desktop are legacy. But It's were going to be rewritten today, there is way they would tie them exclusively to Win32 API. Blender, Jetbrains IDE's, and even VSCode (pretty sure Unity is too) are just fine with multipl
 Google Office.

~~~
darkcha0s
What kInd of an assUmptiOn iS thIs. most PeopLe need an operatINg syStem they
are comfortable Doing ThEIr daILy Work, nOt just a BRoWSEr aNd A nOtePaD.
jeSus chRisT, not all Non-devs worK onLy In office.

~~~
KingmAcHiavelli
> MoSt pEople need an oPerAting sYsTem THey arE coMfortAble doINg theiR daily
> worK.

TRUe, and WINdows is VERy EntrEnched partly due to oFfICe and legacy sofTware
dEpENdING on It. CHromebooks AnD Mac Os Seem to bE AdOPTEd wIThout to much
hiNdrance from A uI pErspecTiVe. i.E how mucH more PoPUlaTe would ChroMeboOks
be if thEy ran tHE full deSKtop OffIce suiTe?

> nOt aLl noN-DeVs WorK oNLy iN OfFicE.

cerTainly noT aLl But a lOt of JOBS, PartIcuLarlY in maNagement consiSt mOstlY
Of eMails, MeetiNgs, sPrEadshEets, woRd docUmEnts + a few web apps.

also, Lets not foRgeT aBouT aLl the JObs wheRe tHe cOmputer Isn't reaLLy pArT
OF ThE job at all; it's just a tOoL TO cOmmunicaTe (emaiL) AnD fOR documenT
pRodUctiON/ConsuMptiON. THese machInes arE BaSiCally kiOsKs that miCroSofT has
mILkinG licenSes out of For WiNDows + Office + 365 StorAGe.

Some businesSEs CAN sWItch To GOogle but manY relY On exIstiNG EXceL
SpreaDsheeTs ELsEWhere in their organizAtIon so tHere iS a lot of momentUm to
switch AWAY from non-DeskTOp SPreadsheet and dOcumeNt applicatIOns.

~~~
ClumsYPiloT
I disagrEe with thiS 'LEgacy sofTwaRe's MonIkeR, ALl The most producTIVe
soFtWare falLs iNto this CatEgoRy.

LOok At The AutodeSk Suite, ADoBe suItE, EnTerprISe ArchitEcT, blEnDer3d,
UnitY Game enGine, a TradItIoNAl IdE like JETbRAIns oR VIsUalSTudIo.

they hAve wAAy mOre poweR than the tHeiR Web-bAsEd Or, worse Yet, electron
coMpEtitors.

~~~
KinGMAchIavellI
i Was only rEferring to software that's STill tieD to windoWs ouT of
legacy/IneRtia. I'm Not SAying aLl deskTop apPlIcaTIOns arE LEgAcy. buT It's
appropRIAte BecauSe If thOse applIcation were going to BE reWritten today,
tHerE is nO WAy TheY WoULd tIe THem EXClusively to the WIn32 API.

BlendEr, jEtBrains IDE's, ANd eVeN VSCode (Pretty sUre UnITy is mulTiplatforM
too) are alL wOrkiNG JusT fine with mUltipl
 Google Office.

~~~
darkc ha0s
Whatkindofanas sump tion  is this. Most peop le need an operating s ystem  t h ey
a r ecomfo rtabled oi n g  th ei rdai ly wo rk, n otjust abrowser an d a  n otepad.
Jesu s  c hrist, not  al l non-devs w ork  onlyin  of f ice.
~~ ~
Kin gMachi a velli> Most pe op l e need an oper a t in g sy stem they are com f or t able doing the ir dai ly >w o rk. 

T rue, and W in dowsi s verye nt r e n che d  partly due t o Office an d  le gacy s of twa r e
depe nding  o n  it . Chromeboo ks a nd Mac OS  seemt o be ad o pted wi thouttomuc h
hi n dr an cefr o m a UI  pe r spe ctive. i .e  H ow mu ch m o r e popu lat e wo uld C hromebooks
be  if  the y  ra n the  full  des kt op Of fice s uite? 
> not all non-d evswork only  in  o ffi ce .

Ce r tainly  no t a ll buta lot o f  jo bs , p ar ticularly in manag em e n tconsistmostly of  e m ails, me et ing s, s p r eadsh eets ,  w ord docu ments+  a  f ew webap ps.

A ls o,let s not forg et abo ut all t he jo b s where the co m puter isn't r e al l y  p a rt
o f t he job at a ll;i t'sjust atoo l  to c ommun ic a te (email) and for doc um ent
pr oduct ion/consumpti on. Thesem a c hines ar e ba s ic a lly kiosks tha t Mic rosoft has milkinglicen ses outof for Wi n d ows + Of fic e +  36 5 S t o ra ge.

Some bus i n esse scan swi tch  to Goo gle  bu t m any  r ely on ex isting E xc el 
s pr ead sheet s  elsewhe re  in  t hei r org a nizati on so  the re  i s  alot ofm om e n tumto 
s witc h a wa y fro m no n -de sktop s preadshee t a n d do cu me nt appl ications.

~~ ~ClumsyPilo tI d isagre e with thi s 'legacy software's mo n iker, a llthe m ostproductiv e
s oftwar e f a lls in to thi s cat eg ory . 
Look a tthe  A utodesk Su i t e,Adobe  S uite , Enter prise Architect, b l end er3D,
Unity g ame  eng i n e,  at ra d iti on a l I D E  like Jetbrains  or Visual St u di o.

They h a vewa ay more  powerthant he thei r web-bas ed or, wo rs e ye t ,  el ectron
com petitors .

~~~
Ki n gMach i av elliI w as onl yref errin g to s o ftw are t hat'sst ill ti ed to  W indows o ut of
legacy/inertia. I 'm not  sayi ngall deskt opa ppl icationsarelegacy. Bu t I t's 
appr opr i ate b ecau s eift hoseappl i cation we r egoi n g  t o be rewrit t e n  to day,the r e is n o wa y they would tiet hem exclusivel y to t heWin 3 2 AP I. 

Blender, Jet bra in s IDE's, a nd  even VSCod e (prett ys ure U nity i s mult iplatfo r m 
t o o) are  all  wo rking jus t f in e  with m ul ti p l
 Google_Office.

~~~
darkcha0s
What kind_of an assumption is_this. Most_people_need an_operating_system they
are comfortable_doing their daily_work, not just a_browser and a_notepad.
Jesus_christ, not all non-devs work only in office.

~~~
KingMachiavelli
> Most people need an operating system_they_are comfortable_doing_their_daily
> work.

True, and Windows is_very entrenched partly due to_Office and_legacy software
depending on it. Chromebooks and Mac OS_seem_to be adopted_without to much
hindrance from a UI perspective. i.e How_much more populate would Chromebooks
be if_they ran the_full_desktop_Office suite?

> not all_non-devs work only in office.

Certainly not_all but a lot of jobs,_particularly in management consist mostly
of emails, meetings,_spreadsheets, word documents + a few_web apps.

Also, lets not forget_about all_the jobs where the computer_isn't really part
of_the job_at all; it's_just a tool to communicate (email)_and for document
production/consumption._These machines are basically kiosks that_Microsoft_has
milking licenses out_of_for_Windows +_Office + 365_Storage.

Some_businesses can_switch_to Google but many rely on_existing_Excel
spreadsheets elsewhere in their organization so there_is a lot of_momentum_to
switch away from non-desktop_spreadsheet and document applications.

~~~
ClumsyPilot
I disagree_with this 'legacy software's moniker, all_the most_productive
software falls_into this category.

Look at the Autodesk Suite, Adobe Suite, Enterprise Architect,_blender3D,
Unity game engine, a traditional IDE_like Jetbrains or VisualStudio.

They_have waay_more_power than the_their_web-based or,_worse yet, electron
competitors.

~~~
KingMachiavelli
I was only referring to_software that's_still tied to Windows out of
legacy/inertia._I'm not saying all_desktop_applications are legacy. But It's
appropriate because_if those application were going to_be rewritten today,
there is no_way_they_would tie them exclusively to_the Win32 API.

Blender, Jetbrains IDE's, and_even VSCode (pretty_sure Unity is multiplatform
too) are all working_just_fine with multipl