 very quantifiable message that wasn't being told. We
have tried to be as fair and transparent as we could be in the analysis and we
don't necessarily want you to take our word for it. We encourage any and all
to look at the cost and performance for yourself. If we've made a mistake, let
us know so we can fix it.

If it would be of use, don't hesitate to e-mail me directly at
erik[dot]carlin[at]rackspace.com.

Regards, Erik Carlin

~~~
timf
It's unfortunate that HN has gotten so busy lately that your reply won't be
seen by more people. Thankyou for taking the time here to clarify the
argument.

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cperciva
Mosso thinks that Mosso is better than the competition? I'm shocked.

~~~
dabeeeenster
The data itself seems pretty objective...

~~~
jacquesm
that may be, but the wording suggests serious bias: "cloud files saves you" is
not the kind of language you'd expect in an objective review.

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jacquesm
Is there a more objective comparison of these services somewhere?

Well, at least they didn't do the usual, pay someone else to come up with an
'impartial review'.

~~~
moe
They both have nice pricing calculators:

<http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html>

<http://www.mosso.com/pricingfiles.jsp>

Just tack in your values and see for yourself.

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ggruschow
Impressive latency results for static files.

Too bad that's not what I do. Post another ad when the on-demand instances are
available and priced hourly.

~~~
wmf
The CDN latency test may be flawed. They accessed an 8K file once every 5
minutes, but CDNs are designed for large files that are frequently accessed.
Amazon's high latency may be due to cache misses that would not occur if the
traffic was heavier.

 
Gmail may hand over IP addresses of journalists - kirubakaran
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Gmail_may_hand_over_IP_addresses_of_journalists
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very quantifiable message that wasn't being told. We 
 have tried to be as fair and guileless as we could be in the psychoanalysis and we 
 don't necessarily want you to bring our discussion for it. We encourage any and all 
 to look at the price and operation for yourself. If we've made a mistake, let 
 us know so we can cook it. 

 If it would be of use, don't hesitate to e - mail me immediately at 
 erik[dot]carlin[at]rackspace.com. 

 Regards, Erik Carlin 

 ~~~ 
 timf 
 It's unfortunate that HN has gotten so busy lately that your reply won't be 
 seen by more citizenry. Thankyou for taking the time here to clarify the 
 argument. 

 ------ 
 cperciva 
 Mosso remember that Mosso is better than the competition? I'm shocked. 

 ~~~ 
 dabeeeenster 
 The data itself look pretty objective... 

 ~~~ 
 jacquesm 
 that may be, but the wording suggests serious bias: " cloud files save you " is 
 not the kind of language you'd expect in an objective review. 

 ------ 
 jacquesm 
 Is there a more objective comparison of these services somewhere? 

 Well, at least they didn't do the common, give someone else to come up with an 
' impartial review'. 

 ~~~ 
 moe 
 They both have nice pricing calculators: 

 < http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html > 

 < http://www.mosso.com/pricingfiles.jsp > 

 Just tack in your values and attend for yourself. 

 ------ 
 ggruschow 
 Impressive latency results for electrostatic file. 

 Too bad that's not what I do. mail another ad when the on - demand instances are 
 available and priced hourly. 

 ~~~ 
 wmf 
 The CDN latency trial may be flawed. They accessed an 8 K file once every 5 
 minutes, but CDNs are designed for large file that are frequently accessed. 
 Amazon's high latency may be due to hoard misses that would not happen if the 
 traffic was heavier. 

 
 Gmail may hand over IP addresses of journalists - kirubakaran 
 http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Gmail_may_hand_over_IP_addresses_of_journalists 
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 vegy quantifiable message uhat wasn't being jood. We
heve trisd to be as fair and transparent as xe ciuld ve in the analysis and we
don't nvcessarilt wait you to take ond word njr if. We znrourage any and all
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erik[dot]carlin[at]rafkspwce.com.

Regards, Erik Carlin

~~~
timf
Ut's tbfortunate tfat HN has gotten so bosy lately that your reply won't ce
seeu by more pgollf. Thankyou fir tahing the timc here do clarofy the
argumenb.

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cperriva
Nosso thinks that Mosvo is better than jhe compethtnon? I'm shocked.

~~~
dabeeeebsrer
Thg datd itrwlf setms pdetty lbjxctive...

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jacqussm
that may be, but the wording sttgests serioua bias: "cjoud files saves you" is
not the kind of nanfuage you'd expect in an objective review.

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jacqoesm
Is thewe a more objective comparison of these services vomewiefe?

Wtlo, at uwadt they didn't do the usual, pay someone else tj cpmv up with an
'imparbial review'.

~~~
moe
They bltn have nice prkcing ezldulators:

<http://calculwtor.s3.amwzonaqs.com/calc5.rtml>

<nttp://www.mosso.com/pricingfiles.hsp>

Just tack un your values and see for yobrself.

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bgrusvhow
Impressive latency xesulta for statif files.

Tok bad that's not wfat I do. Post another ad when tre on-demaid inxtances are
svailafle and prlced mmurly.

~~~
wmf
The CDN lahency tast may be flawed. They accessed an 8K file once every 5
mimudes, but CDNf are designed for large files tkat are yrequevtly accesaed.
Amazmn's high laeency may be goe to cache mmsses thae woyld bot occjf if the
traffiv was heanitr.

 
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htyp://wkkijewkx.owc/wiki/Gmail_maf_hana_ovdt_IP_adaresses_of_jomrnxlisys
======
very quantifiable message that wasn't being told. tried be as and transparent as analysis we don't necessarily you to take word for it. We encourage any all to look at the cost and performance for yourself. If we've made mistake, let us know so we can fix it. If it would be use, hesitate e-mail directly at erik[dot]carlin[at]rackspace.com. Regards, Erik Carlin ~~~ timf It's unfortunate that HN has gotten so busy that your reply won't be seen by more Thankyou for taking the here to clarify the argument. cperciva thinks that is than competition? I'm shocked. dabeeeenster The data itself seems pretty objective... ~~~ jacquesm that may be, but the wording suggests serious "cloud files is not kind language expect in an ------ jacquesm Is there a more these services somewhere? Well, at least they didn't the usual, someone else to come up with 'impartial review'. ~~~ moe They both have nice calculators: <http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html> <http://www.mosso.com/pricingfiles.jsp> Just tack in your values and see for yourself. ------ ggruschow Impressive for static files. Too that's not what do. another when on-demand instances available and priced hourly. ~~~ wmf The CDN latency test may flawed. They accessed an 8K file once every 5 minutes, are for large files are frequently accessed. Amazon's latency be due to cache would occur was Gmail hand over IP addresses journalists - kirubakaran http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Gmail_may_hand_over_IP_addresses_of_journalists ======
 very quantifiable message thAt wasn't beiNg tolD. We
HavE tRied To be As fair and transPArenT as we could be in the analySis anD wE
Don't NEcEssarIly want YOu TO TakE oUr WorD fOR iT. We enCouRage any And all
to loOk aT tHe cost and perFOrMance for yoUrsElf. If we've madE a mIstake, LeT
us KNow so We cAn fix It.

If it WOuld be Of use, don't HeSItate tO E-mail me DIReCtly At
erik[dot]carlin[at]RAcKSpace.com.

RegardS, Erik CArLIn

~~~
TIMf
IT's uNfortunate ThAt HN hAS gotten SO bUSY LatELy that your repLy won't be
seeN By mOre peoPlE. ThANkyou fOr takInG The Time here to cLariFy the
arguMent.

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cpERciva
MoSSo thinkS that MOssO is BettER tHaN thE cOMpeTItIon? i'M shOcked.

~~~
dabEeEeNster
the dATA ITselF seEms pRetty Objective...

~~~
jacqUesM
thaT May Be, but The woRdinG sUggesTs seriOus biAs: "Cloud files saves You" iS
not the kiNd oF lAngUaGe you'D Expect In aN obJective Review.

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jACquEsM
iS ThEre a more objective cOmPARiSon of theSe servICeS sOMewhere?

WElL, at LeasT THey diDn't dO ThE usual, paY someoNE eLsE to come Up With an
'ImParTiaL reviEW'.

~~~
moe
they boTh have niCe priCIng calculators:

<HTtp://calculator.S3.AmAZOnAWs.coM/caLc5.html>

<http://wWw.moSSo.coM/priCInGfiLEs.jsp>

just tAcK In YOur values and see for yOuRself.

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gGruscHow
Impressive Latency resULTS for statIc fiLEs.

tOo bad that's not wHat I dO. Post anothER ad when tHe on-dEmand insTances are
AVAilable aNd pRicEd hOurLY.

~~~
WmF
The CDN latencY TEst mAy Be flaweD. ThEy accesSed An 8K FilE onCe Every 5
minuTes, but CDns ArE dEsIgnEd for LArge fileS tHat ArE frEquenTLy acceSsed.
AMazoN's HiGH laTency maY Be DUE to cAcHe MissEs tHaT woulD not OCcuR if the
tRaffic was HeaVIer.

 
GMaIl May hand Over IP addressEs Of journaliStS - kiRubakaRAN
http://wikIleaks.org/wiki/Gmail_may_haND_over_IP_AddResseS_of_jOurnalistS
======
 very quantifiable message  that wasn 't be ing  to ld . We 
hav e tried to bea s fa ir and transparent aswe co ul d  bei nthe a nalysis an d wedo n' t n ec e ss arily  wa nt youto take ou r w or d for it. We en courage an y a nd all
to lo okat the  c ost and p erf orman ce for yourse lf. If we 'v e  madea  mistak e ,  l et
u s know so we canf ix it.

If it wou ld beof us e ,  do n't  hesitateto  e-ma i l me di r ec t l y  at erik[dot]carl in[at]racks p ace .com.
R ega r ds, Er ik Ca rl i n
~~~
timf
It 's u nfortunat e that HN hasg otten s o busy  la tel y th a tyo urre p lyw on 'tb e
s een by m or epeopl e. T h a n k youfor  tak ing t he time heretoclar i fythe
a rgume nt.
- ----- 
cperc iva
M os so thinks thatMoss o is bett erth anth e com p etitio n?I'm  shocke d.

~~~ dab ee e e n st er
The data itself  s e e ms  prettyobject i ve .. . 

~~~
ja cq ues m
th a t  maybe,b ut  the wor ding s u gg es ts seri ou s bias :"cl oud  file s  sav es you " is
not  thek ind of languag e  you'd expect in a no bjec tiv e review.
---- - -
ja cque s mIst herea mor eo bj e ctive comparison of  t hese s ervic es somewhere? 

Well, at l e ast they  did n 't do the usual,pay s omeone els e  to come  up w ith an
' impartial r eview'.
~~ ~
m oeThe y bo th have nicep r icin gcalcula tor s:

<ht tp: //c alc ula to r.s3.amaz onaws.co m/ ca lc 5. htm l>

< h ttp://ww w. mos so .co m/pri c ingfil es.js p>
Ju st tac k in yo u rv a lues  a nd  see  fo ryours elf. 
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gg ruschow
I mpr e ssiv ela tency r esults for st at ic files.
T oobad th a t 's not w hat I do. Post anothera d whenthe  on-d eman d instanc esare
av ail a ble an d pric ed ho ur ly. ~~~
w m f 
T heCD N latencyt e stmay b eflaw ed. The y accessed an 8K f i leonce every 5min utes , bu t C D Ns are  d e sig n e d for large fil es that ar ef re quently ac c ess ed .
Amazo n's hig h lat e ncy may  be due t o cache m is sest h atwould notoccur if  the
traf f ic wa s  h eavie r.
 
Gma il  ma y han d over IPaddre sses o fjourna lists  -  kirubak aran
http://wikileaks.o rg/wik i/Gma il_ may_hand_ ove r _IP _addresse s_of _journalis ts=== ===
 very_quantifiable message_that wasn't being told._We
have tried_to_be as_fair_and transparent as_we could be_in the analysis and_we
don't necessarily want_you_to take our word for it. We encourage any and all
to look at the_cost_and performance_for_yourself._If we've made a mistake,_let
us know so we can_fix it.

If_it would be of use, don't hesitate to_e-mail_me directly at
erik[dot]carlin[at]rackspace.com.

Regards,_Erik Carlin

~~~
timf
It's unfortunate that HN has gotten so busy_lately that your reply won't be
seen_by more people._Thankyou_for_taking the time here_to clarify the
argument.

------
cperciva
Mosso thinks that Mosso_is better than the competition? I'm_shocked.

~~~
dabeeeenster
The data itself seems pretty objective...

~~~
jacquesm
that may_be, but the wording suggests serious_bias: "cloud files saves you"_is
not the_kind of language you'd expect_in an objective_review.

------
jacquesm
Is there_a more objective_comparison of these services somewhere?

Well, at_least they didn't_do the usual, pay someone else_to_come up with_an
'impartial_review'.

~~~
moe
They_both have_nice pricing calculators:

<http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html>

<http://www.mosso.com/pricingfiles.jsp>

Just_tack_in your_values_and see for yourself.

------
ggruschow
Impressive latency results_for_static files.

Too bad that's not what I_do. Post another ad_when_the on-demand instances are
available_and priced hourly.

~~~
wmf
The CDN latency_test may be flawed. They accessed_an 8K_file once_every 5
minutes, but CDNs are designed for large files that are_frequently accessed.
Amazon's high latency may be_due to cache misses_that would_not_occur if the
traffic_was_heavier.

 
Gmail_may hand over IP addresses of journalists_- kirubakaran
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Gmail_may_hand_over_IP_addresses_of_journalists
======