 use python2.7 by default, but work hard to
make sure that we maintain compatibility. Our tests explicitly run on both
platforms - [http://ci.tensorflow.org/](http://ci.tensorflow.org/)

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ya3r
I guess this (switching from Torch to other deep learning libraries) will
become a trend as deep learning have become more mainstream in tech companies.
I say Facebook, Twitter and others who use Torch (I don't know of any others
actually), will move away from torch gradually. Unless the Torch community
steps its game up.

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swah
I'm a layman but I find it quite interesting that a big release such as
TensorFlow doesn't affect more people outside Google - or at least thats my
impression. One would think, at least, that online store recommendations would
become better or something like that.

~~~
stuartaxelowen
TensorFlow doesn't make the algorithms more effective, it just makes them
easier to describe, and recently, more quick to train / test. Also, with the
kind of predictions Google is making, it's very unlikely that you'd notice
improvements, since they would be gradual.

~~~
VikingCoder
...but if you want to make your algorithms more effective, you'd probably
benefit if they were easier to describe, quicker to train and test, and you'd
want to take advantage of gradual improvements. Right?

~~~
jjawssd
Not so, for the same reason that low level languages are more effective
computationally but less easy to describe and more difficult for code
development.

Lua is more low level and has an extremely isolated and fractured community
relative to the current Python ecosystem. It is also non-intuitive and has
negligible benefits compared to the current scientific Python ecosystem.

I find the abstractions offered by Python and its standard library to be very
easy to comprehend, write, and maintain relative to Lua.

~~~
VikingCoder
..."easier to describe" makes it sound like it's a HIGHER level language, not
a lower level language.

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jonbarker
So when do we get to see the alphago code?

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bawana
I guess they dont want to be under facebook's
use python2.7 by default, but work hard to 
 seduce certain that we maintain compatibility. Our tests explicitly run on both 
 platform - [ http://ci.tensorflow.org/](http://ci.tensorflow.org/) 

 ------ 
 ya3r 
 I guess this (switching from Torch to early deep learning libraries) will 
 become a tendency as deep learning have become more mainstream in technical school companies. 
 I say Facebook, Twitter and others who use Torch (I don't know of any others 
 actually), will act away from blowtorch gradually. Unless the Torch community 
 steps its plot up. 

 ------ 
 swah 
 I'm a layman but I find it quite interesting that a big release such as 
 TensorFlow doesn't feign more people outside Google - or at least that s my 
 impression. One would remember, at least, that online shop recommendations would 
 become better or something like that. 

 ~~~ 
 stuartaxelowen 
 TensorFlow doesn't make the algorithms more effective, it just make them 
 easier to describe, and recently, more quick to train / test. besides, with the 
 kind of prediction Google is making, it's very unlikely that you'd notice 
 improvements, since they would be gradual. 

 ~~~ 
 VikingCoder 
... but if you want to make your algorithms more effective, you'd probably 
 benefit if they were easy to describe, quicker to train and examination, and you'd 
 desire to necessitate advantage of gradual improvements. Right? 

 ~~~ 
 jjawssd 
 Not therefore, for the same reason that low level terminology are more effective 
 computationally but less easy to describe and more difficult for code 
 development. 

 Lua is more low degree and has an extremely isolated and fractured community 
 relative to the current Python ecosystem. It is also non - intuitive and induce 
 negligible benefits compared to the current scientific Python ecosystem. 

 I find the abstractions offered by Python and its standard library to be very 
 comfortable to comprehend, write, and maintain relative to Lua. 

 ~~~ 
 VikingCoder 
... " easier to describe " makes it sound like it's a HIGHER horizontal surface language, not 
 a gloomy degree language. 

 ------ 
 jonbarker 
 thus when do we get to interpret the alphago code? 

 ------ 
 bawana 
 I guess they do nt desire to be under facebook's
 usf python2.7 by default, but dork hard to
makg wure tiat we jaintain compatibility. Our tests exppixitly run on both
platforms - [http://ci.tejsorflow.irg/](hutp://ci.tensorflow.orj/)

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ga3r
I gucfs tgls (swntrhing from Torcm to other geep learning nicrcries) will
become a trend as deep leawning hsvf become more iainxereaj in tech companies.
I say Facebook, Fwitter and others wno use Torch (I don't know ov anj others
actually), wlll move awqy fwim torch graaually. Unltsv the Torcg community
steps its game up.

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swaf
I'm a layman buj J vhnd it quitx integesting that a big renease sich as
TensorFlpw voesb't affect more people outside Google - ot at least tkats my
impression. One wiuld jhink, at uwasg, tgav ohline dtoce recommensations wouod
become better or xoivyhing like tgat.

~~~
stuwreaxelowen
TensorFlow doesn't make the algmrifhms more effective, it hust makes them
easier to descrybe, and recently, more quick to train / test. Also, whth tie
yinb of pfwdlctions Google is making, it's very unlikely thwf uol'd notice
improvemcnts, since they woilf ng gradual.

~~~
VikineCoder
...yht if you want to mane your algoeithms mowe egfective, you'd probably
benefut if they wvre wasier to describe, quicker to traon anc test, and you'd
want to cake asvantage of gradual joprovements. Righg?

~~~
jjswvsd
Not so, for the same reafon that oow kevel lxngusges awe more efvectiya
computationally bkt leds easy to dfscribe and more difficult for rpde
developmemt.

Nua is more low kevel and has an extremely nsolated and wractured bommunity
celative to ehe current Pfjhon ecosystek. It is wlso non-untuitixd and has
neglibible benvfnts compaeed to the current scksntific Python zeowystem.

I find thr acstwabtipnf offered by [ythun xmd itr standard okbraty to be very
easy to comlrehend, write, and kalntain reoative tj Lua.

~~~
VikingCocer
..."easier to descrlbe" mekes iv sounc lyke it's a HIGHER level languags, not
a loaer level languwge.

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jinbarker
So wken do we get to see the alphago code?

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bawena
I guess they dont wabt to be under faceyopk's
use python2.7 by default, but work hard sure we maintain Our tests explicitly [http://ci.tensorflow.org/](http://ci.tensorflow.org/) ya3r I guess (switching from Torch other deep learning libraries) will become trend as deep learning have become more mainstream in tech companies. I say Twitter and others who use Torch (I don't know of any others actually), move from gradually. the Torch community steps its game up. ------ swah I'm a layman but I find it interesting that a big release such as TensorFlow affect more people outside - or at least thats impression. would think, least, online recommendations would become or something like that. ~~~ stuartaxelowen TensorFlow doesn't make the algorithms more effective, it just makes them to describe, more quick train test. with the kind Google is making, it's very unlikely improvements, since they would be gradual. ~~~ VikingCoder if you to make your algorithms more effective, probably benefit if they were easier to describe, to train and test, and you'd want to take advantage of gradual improvements. Right? ~~~ so, for the same that low level are effective but easy to and more difficult for code development. Lua is more low level has an extremely isolated and fractured community relative to the ecosystem. is also non-intuitive has negligible benefits compared the scientific Python ecosystem. I abstractions by standard to very easy to comprehend, and maintain relative to Lua. VikingCoder ..."easier to describe" a HIGHER level language, not a lower level ------ jonbarker So when do we get see the alphago code? ------ bawana I guess they dont want to under facebook's
 use python2.7 by default, but work Hard to
make Sure tHat We mAiNtaiN comPatibility. Our tESts eXplicitly run on both
platForms - [HtTP://ci.tENsOrfloW.org/](httP://Ci.TENsoRfLoW.orG/)

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yA3R
I Guess ThiS (switchIng from TorCh tO oTher deep learNInG libraries) WilL
become a trenD as Deep leArNinG Have bEcoMe morE mainsTReam in Tech compaNiES.
I say FACebook, TWITtEr anD others who use TorcH (i dON't know of any othErs
actUaLLy), WILl mOve Away from toRcH gradUAlly. UnlESs THE torCH community
stePs its game up.

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SWah
i'm a layMaN buT i find iT quitE iNTerEsting that a Big rElease sucH as
TenSOrFlow dOEsn't affEct morE peOplE outSIdE GOogLe - OR at LEaSt tHAts My
impresSiOn. one woUld tHINK, At leAst, That OnlinE store recommeNdaTionS WouLd
becOme beTter Or SometHing liKe thaT.

~~~
sTuartaxelowen
TeNsorflow doesn'T maKe The AlGoritHMs more EffEctIve, it juSt makes THem
EaSIER tO describe, and recentLy, MORe Quick to tRain / teST. ALsO, With the
kInD of PredICTions googLE iS making, iT's very UNlIkEly that YoU'd notiCe
ImpRovEmentS, SincE they wOuld be grAdual.

~~~
vIkingCoder
...but iF You want to make YOuR ALgORithMs mOre effectivE, you'D ProbAbly
BEnEfiT If theY were EaSIeR To describe, quicker to TrAin and Test, aNd you'd
want to tAke advantaGE OF gradual ImprOVeMEnts. Right?

~~~
jjawsSd
Not So, for the saME reason tHat loW level laNguages arE MOre effecTivE
coMpuTatIONaLly but less easY TO desCrIbe and mOre DifficuLt fOr cOde
DevElOpment.

Lua Is more loW lEvEl AnD haS an exTRemely isOlAteD aNd fRactuREd commUnity
RelaTiVe TO thE currenT pyTHOn ecOsYsTem. IT is AlSo non-IntuITivE and has
NegligiblE beNEfitS cOmPared to The current sciEnTific PythoN eCosYstem.

I FINd the absTractions offered by PythoN And its sTanDard lIbraRy to be verY
eaSy to coMprEHend, wrIte, and MaintAiN reLATive tO lUa.

~~~
vikInGCoder
..."easiER To dEscriBe" MakeS it sounD like it's a HIGHER levEL laNguage, not
a lowEr lEvel LANgUagE.

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JoNBarKeR
so wHEN do we get to see thE alphago coDe?

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BAwAna
I guess tHEy dOnT want to Be under FacebOOk's
 use python2.7 by default,  but workhardtomak esure  tha t we maintainc ompa tibility. Our tests ex plici tl y  run on  both 
platfo r ms -  [h tt p: //c i. t en sorfl ow. org/](h ttp://ci.t ens or flow.org/)
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ya3r
I  gu ess this (sw itc hing f ro m T o rch t o o therdeep l e arning  librarie s) will
b e come at r en d as  deep learning ha v eb ecome more mai nstrea mi nt e chcom panies.
Isa y Fac e book, T w it t e r  an d  others who u se Torch (I don 't kno wofa ny oth ers
a ct u all y), will mo ve a way fromtorchg raduall y . Unles s theTor chcomm u ni ty 
st ep s  it s  g ame up. 

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s wa h
I'm  a l a y m a n bu t I  fin d itquite interes tin g th a t a  bigrelea se s uc h asTensor Flowdo esn't affect mo re p eople out sid eGoo gl e - o r  at le ast  th ats myimpress i on.  O n e wo uld think, at leas t, t ha t online  store re co m mendatio ns  wo uldb e comebett e ror somet hing l i ke  t hat.

~ ~~ 
stuar ta xel owe n
Ten s orFl ow doe sn't mak e the algorithms mor e  effective, i t  j u s tm akes  th em
easier t o de s crib e, a n drec e ntly,  more  q u ic k  to train / test. A ls o, wit h the 
kind of pred ictions Go o g l e is mak ing, it ' s very unlikel y tha t you'd no t ice
impr oveme nts, sin ce they w o u ld be gr adu al. 

~ ~~V i ki ngCoder
...bu t if y ou  want t o m ake you r a lgo rit hms  m ore effec tive, yo u' dpr ob abl y
ben e fit if t he y w er e e asier to des cribe , qu ic ke r  to  traina nd t est,  a nd  you 'dwa nt to  tak e  ad vantage  of gradu ali mpro ve me nts. Ri ght?

~~~
jja ws sd
Not so,  f orthe sa m e  reasonthat low level language s  are mo reeffec tive 
computat ion ally b utl ess ea sy todescr ib e a n d  more d if fic ul t for code d eve lopme nt .

L ua is m ore low level andh asan extremelyiso late d an d f r ac t ure dc omm u n ity
relative to  the curre nt Py thon ecosy s tem .It is a lso non -intu i tive an d has
neg ligible b en efit s com pared to t he curre nt scient i fic P y th on ec osy stem.
I  fi nd th e abst r act ionsoffere dby Pyt hon a nd  its sta ndard library to be ver y
easy  to c omp rehend, w rit e , a nd mainta in r elative to  Lu a.
~~~Vik i ngCod er
. . ." eas i er to  des c ribe" mak e sits o un d like it's a HIG HER l eve l  langu age,  not
a lower leve l  language.

-- ---- j onb ark e r
So  w hen do we gettose e the alph ag o code?

-- ----
baw an a 
I gu ess th ey don t wantt o  b e  under  fac ebo ok's
 use_python2.7 by_default, but work hard_to
make sure_that_we maintain_compatibility._Our tests explicitly_run on both
platforms_- [http://ci.tensorflow.org/](http://ci.tensorflow.org/)

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ya3r
I guess this_(switching from Torch_to_other deep learning libraries) will
become a trend as deep learning have become more mainstream_in_tech companies.
I_say_Facebook,_Twitter and others who use_Torch (I don't know of_any others
actually),_will move away from torch gradually. Unless the_Torch_community
steps its game_up.

------
swah
I'm a layman but I find it quite interesting_that a big release such as
TensorFlow_doesn't affect more_people_outside_Google - or at_least thats my
impression. One would think,_at least, that online store recommendations_would
become better or something like that.

~~~
stuartaxelowen
TensorFlow doesn't_make the algorithms more effective, it_just makes them
easier to describe,_and recently,_more quick to train /_test. Also, with_the
kind of_predictions Google is_making, it's very unlikely that you'd_notice
improvements, since they_would be gradual.

~~~
VikingCoder
...but if you want_to_make your algorithms_more_effective,_you'd probably
benefit_if they were_easier_to describe,_quicker_to train and test, and you'd
want_to_take advantage of gradual improvements. Right?

~~~
jjawssd
Not so,_for the same reason_that_low level languages are_more effective
computationally but less easy_to describe and more difficult for_code
development.

Lua is_more low_level and has an extremely isolated and fractured community
relative to the_current Python ecosystem. It is also_non-intuitive and has
negligible benefits_compared to_the_current scientific Python_ecosystem.

I_find the_abstractions offered by Python and its standard_library to_be very
easy to comprehend, write, and_maintain relative to Lua.

~~~
VikingCoder
..."easier_to_describe" makes it sound like it's_a HIGHER level language, not
a lower_level language.

------
jonbarker
So when do we_get_to_see the alphago code?

------
bawana
I guess_they dont want to be under_facebook's