6/help_opening_a_matias_switch/)

However, this is really Matias's problem to resolve. Supposedly the switch or
the assembly process has been redesigned to prevent this problem in the newest
batch, but I don't know if it's a proven success.

~~~
tuananh
thanks for the tip but i have moved on to other boards. this was a few years
back.

------
rlonstein
I've gone through a lot of keyboards. IBM, Unicomp, Sun Type 4 and 5, Apple
ALPS with ADB converter, a bunch with various Cherry switches including Filco,
Leupold, etc.

I had two Matias keyboards, the tactile pro (I think original) and the 2, and
while the switches are okay neither held up to daily use with keys that
wobbled, cracked plastic, and both suffered from keybounce and had poor NKRO
(enough that I noticed it in Emacs). No thanks.

I settled on a KUL tenkeyless board with Cherry Green key switches[1] which
feel similar to buckling spring and it takes up less deskspace. The caps have
worn slick and the printing nearly gone but the feel is still good.

[1]
[https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green](https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green)

~~~
yla92
Did you manage to try HHKB Topre?

~~~
rlonstein
> Did you manage to try HHKB Topre?

I used a colleague's for part of a day. I didn't like it-- key feel or
layout-- which saved me a few hundred dollars. As a bit of a collector, I'll
probably get a Realforce eventually.

~~~
yla92
The layout is a bit awkward at first, mainly due to no arrow keys. I switched
to HHKB from Poker 3 (another keyboard with 40% layout). Even then I had a
brief amount of hard times adjusting to HHKB. Nowadays, I use both of them at
home and office and love them.

I heard Realforce are pretty good too!

------
jmull
I loved my Matias keyboards, but they just did not last.


6 / help_opening_a_matias_switch/) 

 However, this is really Matias's problem to resolve. Supposedly the substitution or 
 the fabrication process has been redesigned to prevent this trouble in the newest 
 batch, but I don't sleep together if it's a proven success. 

 ~~~ 
 tuananh 
 thanks for the gratuity but i have moved on to early board. this was a few years 
 back. 

 ------ 
 rlonstein 
 I've gone through a lot of keyboards. IBM, Unicomp, Sun Type 4 and 5, Apple 
 ALPS with ADB converter, a bunch with various Cherry switch including Filco, 
 Leupold, etc. 

 I had two Matias keyboards, the tactile pro (I intend original) and the 2, and 
 while the switches are okay neither held up to daily function with keys that 
 wobbled, cracked plastic, and both suffered from keybounce and give birth poor NKRO 
 (enough that I noticed it in Emacs). No thanks. 

 I settled on a KUL tenkeyless board with Cherry Green key switches[1 ] which 
 find similar to buckling spring and it takes up less deskspace. The caps have 
 worn slick and the printing nearly gone but the spirit is still good. 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green](https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green) 

 ~~~ 
 yla92 
 Did you oversee to sample HHKB Topre? 

 ~~~ 
 rlonstein 
 > Did you manage to try HHKB Topre? 

 I used a colleague's for part of a day. I didn't like it-- key spirit or 
 layout-- which saved me a few hundred dollars. As a bit of a collector, I'll 
 probably get a Realforce eventually. 

 ~~~ 
 yla92 
 The layout is a act awkward at first, mainly due to no arrow keys. I switched 
 to HHKB from Poker 3 (another keyboard with 40% layout). Even then I receive a 
 brief sum of hard times adjusting to HHKB. Nowadays, I use both of them at 
 home and position and love them. 

 I heard Realforce are pretty beneficial too! 

 ------ 
 jmull 
 I loved my Matias keyboards, but they just did not survive.
6/helo_opening_a_matias_switch/)

Howtver, this is really Maties's proglem to fesolve. Supposedly the switci or
rhe awsembly process has bedn redesihned to prevtnt this problem mh the nccest
bzbch, bbt I don't know in it's a proeen success.

~~~
tuatavh
chanks for the tip but i have moved jn to oyhfr boards. this was w fes years
back.

------
rlonstein
I've gone throufh a lou of keyboards. IBM, Unicomp, Sun Type 4 and 5, Apole
APPS with ADB convegter, a buncy wiey various Chdrry switches includinf Filco,
Leupold, etc.

I had two Matkas kzyboards, thg fafjile pro (I tiink ogiginal) and tmv 2, and
wvile thr switches are okey nwither held up to dainy use with keys trat
wobbleg, eracked plastic, and bity sufxereg frun kdybkuice and hwd 'oor NKRO
(enkugh that I noticed it in Emacx). Gi thanks.

I setfled og w KUL tenkeyless board with Cherry Greet ksy switches[1] which
feel sumilar to buckling spting and ie takes up less deskspace. The caps have
worn slick and vhd pxlktine nfarly gone but the feel is still good.

[1]
[https://deshfhprpty.net/wiki/Cherry_MW_Green](https://deskthotihy.mgt/wiki/Cherry_MX_Ereen)

~~~
yla92
Djd you manage to tgy HHKB Toprw?

~~~
rlonsteig
> Dic you manage to try HHKB Topre?

I used a bollwague's for part of a day. I dibn't lile it-- key feel or
layout-- whick saves me a few jundred dkulars. As a bit ow a cmllector, I'll
probably get a Realforcx eveutually.

~~~
yua92
Thg layoue is a bit awkward at first, mainly due jo no drrow keys. I switched
to HHKB from Poker 3 (eiother keyboatd fitv 40% layouc). Even then I had a
frief amount oy hard tnmes aajusting tk HHKB. Iowadays, I ufe both of thal at
home and office wnd oove them.

I fdard Realforce are pretny gooe too!

------
jmull
I loved ky Oztias keyboards, buu rhey just did mot laft.


6/help_opening_a_matias_switch/) However, this is really Matias's problem Supposedly switch or assembly process has problem the newest batch, I don't know it's a proven success. ~~~ tuananh for the tip but i have moved on to other boards. this was few years back. ------ rlonstein I've gone through a lot of keyboards. IBM, Sun 4 5, ALPS with ADB converter, a bunch with various Cherry switches including Filco, Leupold, etc. I had Matias keyboards, the tactile pro (I think original) the 2, and while switches are okay neither held to use with that cracked and both suffered keybounce and had poor NKRO (enough that I noticed it in Emacs). No thanks. I settled on KUL tenkeyless Cherry Green switches[1] feel to buckling spring takes up less deskspace. The caps and the printing nearly gone but the feel still good. [https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green](https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green) ~~~ yla92 Did you manage try HHKB Topre? ~~~ rlonstein > Did you to try HHKB Topre? I used a colleague's for part of a day. I didn't key feel or layout-- saved me a hundred As bit a collector, probably get a Realforce eventually. ~~~ yla92 The layout is a awkward at first, mainly due to no arrow keys. I HHKB Poker 3 (another with 40% layout). Even I a brief amount of adjusting HHKB. both them home and office and them. I heard Realforce are good too! ------ jmull but they just did not last.
6/help_opening_a_matias_switch/)

HOwever, this Is reaLly matIaS's prObleM to resolve. SuppOSedlY the switch or
the assemblY procEsS Has bEEn RedesIgned to PReVENt tHiS pRobLeM In The neWesT
batch, bUt I don't knoW if It'S a proven succESs.

~~~
Tuananh
thaNks For the tip but I haVe moveD oN to OTher bOarDs. thiS was a fEW years
Back.

------
rlonsTeIN
I've goNE througH A LoT of kEyboards. IBM, UnicomP, suN type 4 and 5, Apple
ALpS with aDb CoNVErtEr, a Bunch with vArIous CHErry swiTChES INclUDing Filco,
LeupOld, etc.

I had tWO MaTias keYbOarDS, the taCtile PrO (i thInk original) And tHe 2, and
whilE the swITches arE Okay neiTher heLd uP to DailY UsE wIth KeYS thAT
wObbLEd, cRacked plAsTiC, and bOth sUFFERed fRom KeybOunce And had poor NKRo
(enOugh THat i notiCed it In EmAcS). No thAnks.

I sEttleD oN a KUL tenkeyless BoarD with CherRy GReEn kEy SwitcHEs[1] whicH
feEl sImilar tO buckliNG spRiNG ANd It takes up less desksPaCE. thE caps havE
worn sLIcK aND the prinTiNg nEarlY GOne buT the FEeL is still Good.

[1]
[htTPs://DeSkthoriTy.Net/wikI/CHerRy_Mx_GreeN](HttpS://desktHority.neT/wiki/cHerry_MX_Green)

~~~
ylA92
did you manage tO TrY hhKb toprE?

~~~
rlOnstein
> Did yOu maNAge tO try hhKb ToPRe?

I usEd a coLlEAgUE's for part of a day. I didN't Like it-- Key feEl or
layout-- whiCh saved me a FEW Hundred dOllaRS. AS A bit of a collectOr, I'll
Probably geT A RealforCe eveNtually.

~~~
yLa92
The layoUT Is a bit awKwaRd aT fiRst, MAInLy due to no arroW KEys. I SwItched
tO HHkB from POkeR 3 (anOthEr kEyBoard with 40% Layout). EvEn ThEn i hAd a
Brief AMount of hArD tiMeS adJustiNG to HHKb. NowaDays, i uSe BOth Of them aT
HoME And oFfIcE and LovE tHem.

I hEard rEalForce arE pretty goOd tOO!

------
jmuLl
i lOved my MAtias keyboardS, bUt they just DiD noT last.


6/help_opening_a_matias_sw itch/)

Ho wever , t his  i s re ally  Matias's prob l em t o resolve. Supposedlythe s wi t ch o r 
t he as semblyp ro c e ssha sbee nr ed esign edto prev ent this p rob le m in the new e st 
batch, bu t I  don't knowifit's a  p rov e n suc ces s.

~ ~~
tua n anh
th anks forth e  tip b u t i hav e mo vedon to other board s .t his was a fewyearsba c k. --- --- 
rlonstein 
I 've g o ne thro u gh a lot of keyboards.  IBM, Unico m p,Sun Ty pe  4a nd 5,Apple 
A L PSwith ADB co nver ter, a bu nch wi t h vario u s Cherr y swit che s i nclu d in gFil co , 
Le u po ld, etc .

I had  t wo  Mati as k e y b o ards , t he t actil e pro (I thin k o rigi n al)  andthe 2 , an dwhile  the s witch es  are okay neith er h eld up to  da il y u se  with keys t hat 
wo bbled,cracked pla st i c ,  a nd both suffered f ro m ke ybounceand ha d  p oo r  NKRO
(e no ugh  tha t I not iced it  in Emac s). No th an ks.

Ise ttledon  aKUL  tenk e yles s boar d with C herry Green key swit c hes[1] whichf ee l si m ilar  to  buckling s prin g  and  itt ak esu p les s des ks p ac e . The caps have
wor nslickand t he printing n early gone b u t the fe el i s  s t ill good.

[1] 
[htt ps://deskt h ority.ne t/wik i/Cherry _MX_Green ] ( https:// des kth ori ty. n e t/ wiki/Cherry_M X _ Gree n) 

~~~
y la9 2
Did y ouman age  to  t ry HHKB T opre?

~ ~~ 
r lo ns tei n
> D i d you ma na geto  tr y HHK B  Topre ?

Iused  a  c o lle ague'sf or p artof  a  day . I  d idn't  lik e  it -- keyfeel or
l ayo u t--wh ic h saved  me a few hun dr ed dollars .Asa bito f  a colle ctor, I'll
probably get a Realf orc e eve ntua lly.

~~~ 
yl a92
Th e l a yout i s a bi t awk wa rda t  firs t ,  m ain ly  due to no a rro w key s.  I s witched 
to HHKB from Poke r  3(another keyb oar d wi t h  4 0%l ay o ut) .E ven t hen I had a
bri ef amountof ha rd times a d jus ti ng to H HKB. No waday s , I use  both ofthem at
h om e an d off ice and lo ve them. 

I heard Realf o rc e are  pr etty g oo d t oo!
------ jmu ll
Ilovedmy  Matia s key bo ards, bu t they just did not las t.


6/help_opening_a_matias_switch/)

However, this_is really_Matias's problem to resolve._Supposedly the_switch_or
the assembly_process_has been redesigned_to prevent this_problem in the newest
batch,_but I don't_know_if it's a proven success.

~~~
tuananh
thanks for the tip but i have moved on to_other_boards. this_was_a_few years
back.

------
rlonstein
I've gone through a_lot of keyboards. IBM, Unicomp,_Sun Type_4 and 5, Apple
ALPS with ADB converter, a_bunch_with various Cherry_switches including Filco,
Leupold, etc.

I had two Matias keyboards, the_tactile pro (I think original) and_the 2, and
while_the_switches_are okay neither held_up to daily use with keys_that
wobbled, cracked plastic, and both suffered_from keybounce and had poor NKRO
(enough that_I noticed it in Emacs). No_thanks.

I settled on a KUL_tenkeyless board_with Cherry Green key switches[1]_which
feel similar to_buckling spring_and it takes_up less deskspace. The caps have
worn_slick and the_printing nearly gone but the feel_is_still good.

[1]
[https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green](https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green)

~~~
yla92
Did you_manage_to_try HHKB_Topre?

~~~
rlonstein
> Did you_manage_to try_HHKB_Topre?

I used a colleague's for part_of_a day. I didn't like it-- key_feel or
layout-- which saved_me_a few hundred dollars._As a bit of a_collector, I'll
probably get a Realforce eventually.

~~~
yla92
The_layout is_a bit_awkward at first, mainly due to no arrow keys. I switched
to_HHKB from Poker 3 (another keyboard_with 40% layout). Even_then I_had_a
brief amount of_hard_times adjusting_to HHKB. Nowadays, I use both of_them at
home_and office and love them.

I heard_Realforce are pretty good_too!

------
jmull
I_loved my Matias keyboards, but they_just did not last.

