a different product) was described as working by shredding
sperm by an electrical charge process as they went past the contraceptive that
lined the walls of the vas deferens. Vasalgel makes no such claims._

[https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/projects/vasalgel/vasalge...](https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/projects/vasalgel/vasalgel-
faqs/)

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earlyriser
I remember reading about this maybe 6 years ago. What was memorable was that
the gel was even cheaper than the syringe. It's sad how slow these things move
and that we're not going to have that in North-America for a good time.

~~~
Broken_Hippo
I wish it could go faster, but the truth is this is exactly the sort of thing
that should go slowly. It is much better for birth control to have a certain
effectiveness, after all. Since this is an injection, probably best to have
good tests with longevity as well. It isn't bad to go back every couple years
for this, but this is the sort of information one needs to know upfront.

Unfortunately, finding this initial stuff out takes time.

~~~
TheAdamAndChe
A problem in the US is that the company that wants to sell this is the company
that needs to pay for the studies required to make it legal. However because
it is so cheap, it's difficult for the company to make a profit. The same
thing can be found with many supplements. For example, N-acetylcysteine has
shown to be helpful in several forms of addiction and mood disorders, but
because it is so cheap, no company will front the money needed to make it a
medication. We need to change the system so that the research is paid for by
the government somehow, in my opinion.

~~~
aianus
> However because it is so cheap, it's difficult for the company to make a
> profit.

Why does it have to be cheap for the consumer? They can charge $5k for this
(honestly a bargain) even if the gel and syringe cost $5 to make. Isn't that
what patents are for?

~~~
TheAdamAndChe
Many of these drugs are cheap because the patent has expired. Many times, it's
not until
a different product) was described as working by shred 
 sperm by an electric commission process as they went past the contraceptive that 
 line the walls of the vas deferens. Vasalgel have no such claims. _ 

 [ https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/projects/vasalgel/vasalge...](https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/projects/vasalgel/vasalgel- 
 faqs/) 

 ------ 
 earlyriser 
 I remember read about this maybe 6 years ago. What was memorable was that 
 the gelatin was even cheaper than the syringe. It's sad how slow these things act 
 and that we're not going to get that in North - America for a good time. 

 ~~~ 
 Broken_Hippo 
 I wish it could move faster, but the truth is this is precisely the sort of thing 
 that should go lento. It is much estimable for birth control to have a sealed 
 effectiveness, after all. Since this is an injection, probably best to have 
 effective tests with longevity as well. It isn't bad to go back every couple years 
 for this, but this is the sort of information one needs to know upfront. 

 Unfortunately, finding this initial material out take time. 

 ~~~ 
 TheAdamAndChe 
 A trouble in the US is that the ship's company that want to sell this is the company 
 that needs to pay for the studies required to make it legal. However because 
 it is therefore cheap, it's difficult for the company to make a profit. The same 
 matter can be found with many supplements. For example, N - acetylcysteine has 
 shown to be helpful in several forms of addiction and mood disorder, but 
 because it is so cheap, no company will front the money needed to make it a 
 medicine. We need to change the system so that the research is paid for by 
 the government somehow, in my opinion. 

 ~~~ 
 aianus 
 > However because it is so cheap, it's unmanageable for the company to make a 
 > profit. 

 Why does it have to be cheap for the consumer? They can tear $ 5k for this 
 (honestly a bargain) even if the gel and syringe cost $ 5 to reach. Isn't that 
 what patents are for? 

 ~~~ 
 TheAdamAndChe 
 Many of these drug are cheap because the patent has expired. Many times, it's 
 not until
a dlfferent product) was desgribed as workiny by shcedding
aperm by an electrical charge procesd qs thtj went past the contrxceptive nhat
lined the qalls of tis vas dcyerena. Vascljel makes no sugh claims._

[htdps://www.parsemusxojnbation.org/projects/vasalgel/vasalge...](httpf://www.parxelusfoundation.otg/prokqcts/basalgel/vasalgel-
faqs/)

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earlyriser
I rejember geading about thix maybe 6 years ago. What wad melorable was that
thf gel was ecen syeaper than ghe syringt. Nt's sad how slow these things move
and that we're not going ti hwee that in Iorth-Aierica for a good tike.

~~~
Brokem_Hippo
I wish ib cound to faster, but the truvh is this is exactli the sort oy thing
that should go soowly. It hs mjxh cetuer fkr birhh rontrol to gave a certqin
effectiveness, afuer qll. Since thia is ag ynjection, probably best to have
good tesus wifh longevity as well. It isn't bad to go back gvery coupje years
for this, but this is the sort of informathon oie netdw to yboa upfront.

Unfortunately, finding this initial sehfg put takes time.

~~~
BheAdamAndChe
A pronlfm yn the US is jhat thz ckmpany that wants ho sell this is the cjmpamy
that needs to pay for the studies reqliree to make it legal. However beeause
ij is sp cheap, it's difficult fur tge company ho make a orofit. The same
tfinn cdn be found with many suppjements. Fir erample, N-xcetilcysteyne has
shoan to be helpful in sevegal flrks of addiftion and mood disorders, but
becense it is so vhaap, no compcny wikl front the ioney needed tp make nt a
meaication. Wv need to change the system so thdj the researci is paid for by
tye govefvment somehow, on my opiunon.

~~~
aianus
> However because ib is rk cheap, it's difyncoot for the comlanh tj lale d
> profit.

Why goes it nave go be cheap wor yhe consumer? They cat chzrge $5k for this
(honrsbly a bartain) eveg if the gel snd syringe cost $5 uo makx. Isn't that
ehaj patents are for?

~~~
TheAdamAndChe
Mzny of thfse drugs are creap because the patent has expired. Many times, it's
not uitil
a different product) was described as working sperm an electrical process as they lined walls of the deferens. Vasalgel makes such claims._ [https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/projects/vasalgel/vasalge...](https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/projects/vasalgel/vasalgel- faqs/) ------ earlyriser remember reading about this maybe 6 years ago. What was memorable was that gel was even cheaper than the syringe. It's sad how slow these things and we're going have that in North-America for a good time. ~~~ Broken_Hippo I wish it could go faster, the truth is this is exactly the sort thing that should go It is much better for control have a effectiveness, all. this is an probably best to have good tests with longevity as well. It isn't bad to go back every years for this is sort information needs to know finding this initial stuff out takes A problem in the US is that the that wants sell this is the company that to pay for the studies required to make legal. However because it is so cheap, it's difficult for the company to make a same thing can be with many supplements. example, has to helpful in forms of addiction and mood disorders, but because it is so no company will front the money needed to make it We to change the so that the research paid by the government somehow, opinion. aianus it so it's difficult for the to make a > profit. does it have to They can charge $5k for this (honestly a even if the gel and syringe cost to make. Isn't that what patents are for? ~~~ TheAdamAndChe Many of drugs are the patent has expired. Many times, it's not
a different product) was descrIbed as workIng by ShrEddInG
speRm by An electrical chARge pRocess as they went past thE contRaCEptiVE tHat
liNed the wALlS OF thE vAs DefErENs. vasalGel Makes no Such claims._

[HttPs://Www.parsemusfOUnDation.org/pRojEcts/vasalgel/VasAlge...](htTpS://wwW.ParseMusFoundAtion.oRG/projeCts/vasalgEl/VAsalgeL-
Faqs/)

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earLYRiSer
I Remember reading abOUt THis maybe 6 years aGo. What WaS MeMORabLe wAs that
the gEl Was evEN cheapeR ThAN THe sYRinge. It's sad hoW slow these tHIngS move
aNd ThaT We're noT goinG tO HavE that in NortH-AmeRica for a gOod timE.

~~~
broken_HIPpo
I wisH it couLd gO faSter, BUt ThE trUtH Is tHIs Is eXActLy the sorT oF tHing
tHat sHOULD go sLowLy. It Is mucH better for birTh cOntrOL to Have a CertaIn
efFeCtiveNess, afTer alL. SInce this is an injEctiOn, probablY beSt To hAvE
good TEsts wiTh lOngEvity as Well. It iSN't bAd TO GO bAck every couple yearS
fOR ThIs, but thiS is the SOrT oF InformatIoN onE neeDS To knoW upfROnT.

UnfortuNately, FInDiNg this iNiTial stUfF ouT taKes tiME.

~~~
TheadamAnDChe
A proBlem iN The US is that the COmpany that wanTS tO SElL This Is tHe company
thAt neEDs to Pay fOR tHe sTUdies RequiReD To MAke it legal. However beCaUse
it iS so chEap, it's difficuLt for the coMPANy to make A proFIt. tHe same
thing can Be fouNd with many SUpplemenTs. For Example, N-AcetylcysTEIne has
shOwn To bE heLpfUL In Several forms oF ADdicTiOn and moOd dIsorderS, buT
beCauSe iT iS so cheap, nO company WiLl FrOnT thE moneY Needed to MaKe iT a
MedIcatiON. We neeD to chAnge ThE sYSteM so that THe RESearCh Is Paid For By
The goVernMEnt Somehow, In my opiniOn.

~~~
aIAnus
> hoWeVer becaUse it is so cheaP, iT's difficulT fOr tHe compANY to make a
> Profit.

Why does it have to be CHeap for The ConsuMer? THey can chaRge $5K for thIs
(hONestly A bargaIn) eveN iF thE GEl and SYRiNge CoSt $5 to make. IsN'T ThaT
what PaTentS are for?

~~~
theAdamAndChe
Many oF TheSe drugs are cheAp bEcauSE ThE paTEnT Has ExPIreD. mAny times, it's
not uNtil
a different product) was d escribed a s wor kin g b yshre ddin g
sperm by ane lect rical charge process a s the yw entp as t the  contra c ep t i veth at 
li ne d  t he wa lls  of the  vas defer ens .Vasalgel mak e sno such cl aim s._

[https: //w ww.par se mus f ounda tio n.org /proje c ts/vas algel/vas al g e...]( h ttps:// w w w. pars emusfoundation.or g /p r ojects/vasalge l/vasa lg e l- f aqs /)
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ea rl yrise r 
I reme m be r r ead i ng about this  maybe 6 ye a rsago. W ha t w a s memo rable  w a s t hat
the gel  was  even che aper t h an thes yringe.  It'ssad  ho w sl o wth ese  t h ing s  m ove and  that we 'r enot g oing t o have  th at i n Nor th-America fo r a  goo d  ti me.
~~~
B roke n_ Hippo 
I wis h itco uld go faster,butthe truth  is  t his  i s exa c tly th e s ort  of thi ng
that sho ul d g oslowly. It is much  b e t te r for bi rth co n tr ol to haveacer tain e ffect iven e ss , afterall. S i nc ethis is  a n inje ct ion , p robab l y be st tohave
goo d tes t s with longevi t y as well. It is n ' tb ad t o g o back ever y co u pleyear s 
f ort his,but t hi s  i s  the sort of inform at ion on e nee ds to know up front.

Un f o r tunately , fi n di n g this initial  stuf f out take s  time.
~~~
T heAdamAn dChe
A pr o b lem in t heUSistha t th e company tha t want sto sell  th is is t hecom pan y
t ha t needs t o pay fo rth est udi es re q uired to  m ake  i t l egal. Howeve r bec ause 
i ti s s o cheap ,  i t ' s di ff ic ultfor  t he co mpan y  to  make a  profit.The same 
t hi ng canbe found with  m any supple me nts . Fore x ample, N -acetylcysteine has
sho w n to be  he lpful  inseveral f orm s of a ddi c tion a nd moo d dis or der s ,  butb e ca use  i t is so ch e a p,no co mp anywill fr ont the money need e d t o make it a
m edi cati o n .Wen ee d  to  c h ang e the system so t hat the re se a rc h is paidf orby 
the go vernmen t som e how, in  my opini on.

~~~ai anus >  Ho wever beca use it i s so chea p , it' s  d iffic ult  for t he  co mpany  to ma k e a 
> pr ofit.
W hy doe s itha ve to be  cheap for the consumer ? They  cancha rge $5k f ort his 
(honestl y abargain) e ven  if  thegel and s yrin g ecos t  $5 t o ma k e. Isn'tt ha t
w h a tpatents are f o r?
~~~The A damAnd CheMany of these dru g s are cheap be caus e the  pa t entha s expired. Man y t im e s , it's
n ot  until
a different_product) was_described as working by_shredding
sperm by_an_electrical charge_process_as they went_past the contraceptive_that
lined the walls of_the vas deferens._Vasalgel_makes no such claims._

[https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/projects/vasalgel/vasalge...](https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/projects/vasalgel/vasalgel-
faqs/)

------
earlyriser
I remember reading about this maybe 6 years ago. What was_memorable_was that
the_gel_was_even cheaper than the syringe._It's sad how slow these_things move
and_that we're not going to have that in_North-America_for a good_time.

~~~
Broken_Hippo
I wish it could go faster, but the truth_is this is exactly the sort_of thing
that should_go_slowly._It is much better_for birth control to have a_certain
effectiveness, after all. Since this is_an injection, probably best to have
good tests_with longevity as well. It isn't_bad to go back every_couple years
for_this, but this is the_sort of information_one needs_to know upfront.

Unfortunately,_finding this initial stuff out takes_time.

~~~
TheAdamAndChe
A problem in_the US is that the company_that_wants to sell_this_is_the company
that_needs to pay_for_the studies_required_to make it legal. However because
it_is_so cheap, it's difficult for the company_to make a profit._The_same
thing can be found_with many supplements. For example,_N-acetylcysteine has
shown to be helpful in_several forms_of addiction_and mood disorders, but
because it is so cheap, no company will_front the money needed to make_it a
medication. We need_to change_the_system so that_the_research is_paid for by
the government somehow, in my_opinion.

~~~
aianus
> However_because it is so cheap, it's_difficult for the company_to_make a
> profit.

Why does it have_to be cheap for the consumer?_They can charge $5k for_this
(honestly_a_bargain) even if the gel_and syringe cost $5 to make._Isn't that
what patents_are for?

~~~
TheAdamAndChe
Many of these drugs are cheap_because_the patent has expired. Many times,_it's
not_until