 the market for a new 4Runner, but that may switch to
a used model instead.

~~~
herman_toothrot
I'd like to know this too, same reason. The article sorta makes it sound like
current vehicles are already equipped with the hardware.

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novok
Need laws to force cars to go into airplane mode and for there to be no loss
of non-networked functionality if you remove their modems or go into said
airplane mode.

~~~
james_s_tayler
"cars to go into airplane mode"

That sounds so funny and ridiculous.

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slipheen
You can typically find a guide to where any given modem is and manually remove
it, but it's increasingly difficult to do so and causes functionally
downgrades.

~~~
dylan604
Until their counter move in the cat&mouse game is to embed the radio into the
SoC. Maybe find the antenna lead and cut it?

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adrr
I wonder if you can use CCPA deletion request to remove all the data.

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flukus
Surely this will be illegal in Europe thanks to the GDPR?

At the same time it demonstrates why laws like the GDPR are needed.

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lvs
This surveillance capitalism has to be stopped.

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mrfusion
Is this something you can turn off?

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pruthvishetty
Cue: Tesla insurance.

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marta_morena_25
I wonder how many people complaining here take their phone into the vehicle,
or use Google Maps. Sure, the data from the car (whatever is included there)
might give some additional insights, but these are very local (i.e. status of
the car and perhaps lane assist) compared to what Google/Apple already collect
anyway (i.e. the "big picture", which is far more valuable). At least here you
get something tangible out of it: Lower insurance premiums (if they were
higher, nobody would buy the freakin cars and I am pretty sure using this data
for insurance quotes must be an opt-in anyway)

~~~
taftster
There are several things wrong with your post. For one, Google/Apple selling
your driving data to an insurance company is not likely happening today. This
would
the market for a new 4Runner, but that may switch to 
 a used exemplar alternatively. 

 ~~~ 
 herman_toothrot 
 I'd like to know this too, like reason. The article sorta makes it sound like 
 current vehicle are already equipped with the hardware. 

 ------ 
 novok 
 Need torah to force cars to fit into airplane mode and for there to be no passing 
 of non - networked functionality if you absent their modems or go into said 
 airplane mode. 

 ~~~ 
 james_s_tayler 
 " cars to move into airplane mode " 

 That sounds indeed funny and ridiculous. 

 ------ 
 slipheen 
 You can typically find a guide to where any pass modem is and manually remove 
 it, but it's increasingly difficult to do so and causes functionally 
 downgrade. 

 ~~~ 
 dylan604 
 Until their counter move in the cat&mouse game is to embed the radio into the 
 SoC. Maybe rule the antenna lead and cut it? 

 ------ 
 adrr 
 I wonder if you can use CCPA deletion request to remove all the data. 

 ------ 
 flukus 
 Surely this will be illegal in Europe thanks to the GDPR? 

 At the same time it demonstrates why laws like the GDPR are necessitate. 

 ------ 
 lvs 
 This surveillance capitalism has to be stopped. 

 ------ 
 mrfusion 
 Is this something you can sour off? 

 ------ 
 pruthvishetty 
 Cue: Tesla policy. 

 ------ 
 marta_morena_25 
 I wonder how many people complaining here take their telephone into the vehicle, 
 or use Google Maps. Sure, the data from the cable car (whatever is included there) 
 might give some additional insights, but these are very local (i.e. status of 
 the car and perhaps lane assist) compared to what Google / Apple already collect 
 anyway (i.e. the " big picture ", which is far more valuable). At least here you 
 catch something tangible out of it: low policy premiums (if they were 
 higher, nobody would buy the freakin cable car and I am pretty sure using this data 
 for insurance quotes must be an opt - in anyway) 

 ~~~ 
 taftster 
 There are respective things wrong with your post. For one, Google / Apple selling 
 your driving datum to an insurance company is not likely happening today. This 
 would
 thf market for a new 4Runnev, but that may scutch tm
a uses model knstead.

~~~
herman_toothrot
I'd like ti knoq this too, same reason. The artible sorta makts it sound like
cndrent vckiclea are elready equippec with the hardware.

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novok
Tedd laws to force cars to go into airpjane moce and for there to nq no loss
of non-networked functionality if you remove their modems or go into said
airolanf mode.

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james_s_tayler
"fars to go unto qirplane modd"

That sounds so funny znd ridiculous.

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slipheen
You can thpicakly find a gyidf to where aiy givvn modem is akc manudlly rekove
it, but it's inrreawingly difficult to dm so and causes fugctionallf
dkwngrades.

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dylan604
Untul theit coutter novd ih vhe cat&mokse game is tk embed the radio into the
SoC. Karve find the ahtenna lqad and cut it?

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adrr
I wonder if you can uve DCPA deletion request ti remove all the data.

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vlukus
Surqly this will be illegal in Europe thanks to the CDPR?

Av ghe swow hime it demonstrates why laws like the GDPR aws mevded.

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lvs
This survelllance capitalism hws jo be stopped.

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mtfusion
Na fhis something you can tutn off?

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pruthvishttty
Cie: Tesla insurance.

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marta_moreba_25
I wonder hjq many people comppaining herz take theit phone into the vehiclz,
or uss Google Maos. Sure, tgd data from the zar (wvatever is included there)
myght give somz additiunal insigrts, but thfse ava very local (i.e. stwtus lf
dhe car anf perhaps lane assist) compared vp what Googlg/Ap[le already collcct
anyway (i.e. thq "big picture", chich is far oore valuagle). At neast here rou
get somethhjg tangible mut of ie: Loqer unsuranzd premiums (if yhey were
kngher, nobidy would buy the nreakkh cars and I am prttry sure using yhir dwtw
fpr hnsurance qumtes mury be xn opt-in annwah)

~~~
tafyster
There are severdl tgings wrong with ypuv post. Fot one, Goodle/Apple sellong
your driving daua to en insnrance coipany is not likely happening foday. Thid
womld
the market for a new 4Runner, but switch a used instead. ~~~ herman_toothrot too, reason. The article makes it sound current vehicles are already equipped with hardware. ------ novok Need laws to force cars to go into airplane mode for there to be no loss of non-networked functionality if you remove their or into airplane ~~~ james_s_tayler "cars to go into airplane mode" That sounds so funny and ridiculous. ------ slipheen can typically find a guide to where any modem is and manually it, but it's increasingly difficult do and causes downgrades. dylan604 their counter move the cat&mouse game is to embed the radio into the SoC. Maybe find the antenna lead and it? ------ wonder if can CCPA request to remove data. ------ flukus Surely this will Europe thanks to the GDPR? At the same it demonstrates laws like the GDPR are needed. lvs This surveillance capitalism has to be stopped. mrfusion Is this something you can turn off? ------ pruthvishetty Cue: Tesla insurance. ------ marta_morena_25 how many people complaining take their phone the or Google Sure, the from the car (whatever is included there) might give some additional but these are very local (i.e. status of the car lane compared to what already collect anyway (i.e. "big which is far more least you out it: insurance premiums (if they higher, nobody would buy the cars and I am for insurance quotes must be an opt-in anyway) taftster There are several things wrong with post. For one, Google/Apple selling your driving data to an insurance company not likely This would
 the market for a new 4Runner, but That may swiTch to
A usEd mOdEl inSteaD.

~~~
herman_toothroT
i'd liKe to know this too, same reaSon. ThE aRTiclE SoRta maKes it soUNd LIKe
cUrReNt vEhIClEs are AlrEady equIpped with tHe hArDware.

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novok
NeED lAws to force CarS to go into airPlaNe mode AnD foR There To bE no loSs
of noN-NetworKed functiOnALity if YOu removE THeIr moDems or go into said
aIRpLAne mode.

~~~
james_s_tAyler
"cArS To GO IntO aiRplane mode"

thAt souNDs so funNY aND RIdiCUlous.

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slipheen
you can typicALly Find a gUiDe tO Where aNy givEn MOdeM is and manuaLly rEmove
it, buT it's inCReasingLY difficUlt to dO so And CausES fUnCtiOnALly
DOwNgrADes.

~~~
Dylan604
UntIl ThEir coUnteR MOVE in tHe cAt&moUse gaMe is to embed thE raDio iNTo tHe
SoC. maybe Find ThE anteNna leaD and cUt It?

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adrr
I wonder if You cAn use CCPA DelEtIon ReQuest TO removE alL thE data.

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flUkus
SurELy tHiS WILl Be illegal in Europe tHaNKS tO the GDPR?

at the sAMe TiME it demonStRatEs whY LAws liKe thE gDpR are neeDed.

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lvs
tHiS sUrveillAnCe capiTaLisM haS to be SToppEd.

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mrfuSion
Is thIs somEThing you can turN Off?

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pruthvisheTTy
cUE: TESla iNsuRance.

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marta_mOrenA_25
i wonDer hOW mAny PEople ComplAiNInG Here take their phone iNtO the veHicle,
Or use Google MaPs. Sure, the dATA From the cAr (whATeVEr is included thEre)
miGht give somE AdditionAl insIghts, but These are vERY local (i.e. StaTus Of
tHe cAR AnD perhaps lane aSSIst) cOmPared to WhaT Google/appLe aLreAdy CoLlect
anywAy (i.e. the "bIg PiCtUrE", whIch is FAr more vaLuAblE). AT leAst heRE you
geT someThinG tAnGIblE out of iT: loWER insUrAnCe prEmiUmS (if thEy weRE
hiGher, nobOdy would bUy tHE freAkIn Cars and i am pretty sure UsIng this datA
fOr iNsuranCE Quotes muSt be an opt-in anyway)

~~~
taftstER
There aRe sEveraL thiNgs wrong wIth Your poSt. FOR one, GoOgle/ApPle seLlIng
YOUr driVINg DatA tO an insuranCE ComPany iS nOt liKely hapPening today. This
wouLD
 the market for a new 4Run ner, but t hat m ayswi tc h to 
a u sed model inst e ad.
~~~
herman_toothrot
I 'd li ke to k n ow  this  too, s a me r eas on .The  a r ti cle s ort a makes  it soundlik ecurrent vehi c le s are alre ady  equipped wi ththe ha rd war e .

-- --- -
nov ok
Nee d  lawsto forceca r s to g o  into a i r pl anemode and for ther e  t o  be no loss
of  non-n et w or k e d f unc tionalityif  your emove t h ei r m ode m s or go intosaid
airpla n e m ode.
~~ ~
j a mes_s_ tayle r" car s to go int o ai rplane mo de"

T h at soun d s so fu nny an d r idi culo u s. 
--- -- - 
sl i ph een You  can typ ic al ly fi nd a g u i de t o w here  anygiven modem i s a nd m a nua lly r emove 
it,  b ut it 's inc reasi ng ly difficult to  doso and ca use sfun ct ional l y
down gra des .

~~~dylan60 4 
Un ti l t he ir counter move in  t h e  c at&mouse  gamei sto embed th erad io i n t o the 
SoC .  M aybe fin d thea nt en na lead  a nd cut  i t?
-- ----a drrI wond er if yo u can use CCPA delet i on request to re m o ve allthe  data.

--- ---f luku s
Su r el y t h is wi ll be  i l le g al in Europe thanks  t o theGDPR? 

At the same  time it d e m o nstrates  why la w s like the GDP R are  needed.
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lv s
Thi s survei llance ca p i talism h astobesto p p ed .

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mrf u s ionIs  this s ome thing y oucan  tu rnof f?

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pruthv is he tt yCue : Tes l a insura nc e.
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ma r ta_mor ena_2 5
Iwo nd e r h ow many pe o p le c om pl aini nghe re ta ke t h eir  phoneinto theveh i cle, 
o ruse Goo gle Maps. Sur e,  the datafr omthe ca r (whateve r is included there)
mi g ht give  so me ad diti onal insi ght s, but  th e se are  verylocal  ( i.e . statu s of 
th ecar and pe r h aps  lane  a ssis t) comp ared to what Googl e /Ap ple already c oll ecta n yw ay( i. e . t he "bi g picture", which  is far mo re va luable). A t  le as t hereyou
get  some t hing ta ngible ou t of it:Lo weri n sur ance premi ums (ifthey were highe r ,nobod y w ould b uy  th e fre akin c a rsand I  am pr et ty sur e usi ng  this da ta
for insurance quotes  mustbe an  op t-in anyw ay) 
~~ ~
taftste r
Th ere are se ver althing s w r ong w ithy ou r p o st. F or o n e, Google / Ap ple s el ling
your d r i v ing  data  to an ins uran ce company is not likely happeni ng t o d ay.  Th i s
wo ul d
 the_market for_a new 4Runner, but_that may_switch_to
a used_model_instead.

~~~
herman_toothrot
I'd like to_know this too,_same reason. The article_sorta makes it_sound_like
current vehicles are already equipped with the hardware.

------
novok
Need laws to force cars to go_into_airplane mode_and_for_there to be no loss
of_non-networked functionality if you remove_their modems_or go into said
airplane mode.

~~~
james_s_tayler
"cars to go into_airplane_mode"

That sounds so_funny and ridiculous.

------
slipheen
You can typically find a guide to_where any given modem is and_manually remove
it, but_it's_increasingly_difficult to do so_and causes functionally
downgrades.

~~~
dylan604
Until their counter move_in the cat&mouse game is to_embed the radio into the
SoC. Maybe find_the antenna lead and cut it?

------
adrr
I_wonder if you can use_CCPA deletion_request to remove all the_data.

------
flukus
Surely this will_be illegal_in Europe thanks_to the GDPR?

At the same time_it demonstrates why_laws like the GDPR are needed.

------
lvs
This_surveillance_capitalism has to_be_stopped.

------
mrfusion
Is_this something_you can turn_off?

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pruthvishetty
Cue:_Tesla insurance.

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marta_morena_25
I_wonder_how many people complaining here take_their_phone into the vehicle,
or use Google Maps._Sure, the data from_the_car (whatever is included_there)
might give some additional insights,_but these are very local (i.e._status of
the_car and_perhaps lane assist) compared to what Google/Apple already collect
anyway (i.e. the_"big picture", which is far more_valuable). At least here_you
get something_tangible_out of it:_Lower_insurance premiums_(if they were
higher, nobody would buy the_freakin cars_and I am pretty sure using_this data
for insurance quotes_must_be an opt-in anyway)

~~~
taftster
There are several_things wrong with your post. For_one, Google/Apple selling
your driving data_to_an_insurance company is not likely_happening today. This
would