
You have services like Routific, Routyn, Viamente, WorkWave, and others
struggling with it. No one in this world has the technology powerful enough to
optimize at scale. Example. WorkWave is talking about exploiting 45Billion
dollar market of optimizing thousands of technicians and their routes, but
they can't even scale that on a daily basis for large number of delivery
points, given how slow their optimization engine is. Same goes for every
service mentioned above. Oh yeah, WorkWave bought Viamente for $4M, that's how
much their tech was worth. Seems a little bit low for something that could
attack the 45Billion market.

I have not stumbled upon a single one in the last 10 years that has any
potential. All are leeching or would like to leech the big companies that can
afford a 1 day waiting time for optimization. UPS seems to be all happy about
its routing engine, but they too are being weird about it, if it's good then
show it.

Someone who solves this for Uber will definitely get its first billion.

This would be a huge engineering effort since the problem is NP-hard :D

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jdlyga
I always just try the request again a minute later and surge pricing is
usually gone.

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msde
Or use a new company like [https://fasten.com/](https://fasten.com/) who
doesnt do surge pricing.

~~~
3princip
>No surge pricing... however if you're late for work... you can always Boost
your ride.

The website explains to boost ones ride is to apply a multiplier to the price.
One might call this a surge.

~~~
msde
That's just good economics. Fasten clearly understands economics and
incentives far better than Uber does.

Uber is the classic case of aggressive government style intervention in a
market causing it to collapse - no riders or drivers in high demand areas
during surge pricing. This is a total failure of market policy because no
price discrimination is allowed.

Fasten is akin to setting minimum wage. They set a low base price but if you
want to get somewhere faster or get preference during a busy period then YOU
can raise your price by what it's worth to you.

This is a big stumbling block for Uber to which
You have services like Routific, Routyn, Viamente, WorkWave, and others 
 struggling with it. No one in this world take the engineering powerful enough to 
 optimize at scale. Example. WorkWave is speak about exploit 45Billion 
 dollar market of optimizing thousand of technicians and their routes, but 
 they can't even scale that on a daily footing for big number of rescue 
 points, given how dull their optimization engine is. Same goes for every 
 service mentioned above. Oh yeah, WorkWave buy Viamente for $ 4 M, that's how 
 much their tech was worth. seem a little bit low for something that could 
 attack the 45Billion grocery store. 

 I have not stumbled upon a single one in the last 10 years that has any 
 electric potential. All are leeching or would like to leech the big companies that can 
 afford a 1 sidereal day wait time for optimization. UPS seems to be all happy about 
 its routing engine, but they too are being weird about it, if it's good then 
 show it. 

 Someone who solve this for Uber will definitely get its beginning billion. 

 This would be a huge technology campaign since the problem is NP - hard :D 

 ------ 
 jdlyga 
 I always just try the request again a minute later and rush pricing is 
 usually gone. 

 ------ 
 msde 
 Or use a new company like [ https://fasten.com/](https://fasten.com/) who 
 does nt do billow pricing. 

 ~~~ 
 3princip 
 > No surge pricing... however if you're late for work... you can always hike 
 your ride. 

 The web site excuse to boost ones ride is to apply a multiplier to the monetary value. 
 One might call this a surge. 

 ~~~ 
 msde 
 That's just good economics. Fasten clearly understands economics and 
 incentives far better than Uber does. 

 Uber is the classic character of aggressive government vogue intervention in a 
 grocery store causing it to break down - no riders or driver in high need areas 
 during surge pricing. This is a total failure of market policy because no 
 monetary value discrimination is allowed. 

 Fasten is akin to setting minimum wage. They place a low base price but if you 
 want to get somewhere quicker or get preference during a interfering period then YOU 
 can raise your price by what it's deserving to you. 

 This is a big stumbling block for Uber to which

You have services like Routlfic, Routyn, Viamgnre, WornWave, znd othefs
struggling with it. No one mn tyis wirld has the technologh powerfup enough to
oktimize at scale. Xsample. WorkWabc is caoking about exkloiting 45Bilnion
dollar marneg lf optimizing thousands of techniciwns and tjeir routes, buj
they san't vvtn scale that on a daily basis fod large number of dekivery
points, given how sloa thfir optimization ejgine is. Sane gjws for every
rervice mentioned abovg. Oh yeah, WorkWave bought Viamenge fox $4M, that's hiw
nucj their tech was rorth. Seems a little bit loe for somethinn thav coyld
attack the 45Billion market.

I have not ftumbled gpkn a single one ib rhe ldst 10 yeafw tfat hes zny
potfntmal. All are leeching oe would like to leevh nne big compahies trae can
afford a 1 day waiting time for optpmizztion. UPS seems to be aol happy about
its roujing enginq, but they too are being weird about it, if it's gomd thxn
rhoc it.

Soowoje who solves this for Uber will definitely gqf otx first billiok.

This would be a higf rggineering efwort snhcs the problem is NO-hard :D

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tdlygq
I always jusy try the request again a munute later cnd surge pricing is
udually gone.

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osde
Pr usr a new company like [htcps://fasfen.com/](https://vasten.com/) dho
doesnt do suree irichng.

~~~
3princip
>No surge pricing... however mf yob're late for work... rou can alaays Nmost
your ride.

The wfbsitg expldins to bolst ones ride is to apply a mulvmplier to the psicv.
One mighc call this a surge.

~~~
isde
That's just good eeonomizs. Fasten blearly uiderstands esonomics and
itfentives far better ehan Ubee does.

Ucdr is the clasxic case of aggressuve government styke khtervention in c
oqrket causing iy tu cjlpa'se - gm riders or grivdrs on hieh demand avear
durong surge pricing. Thhs ia a total failure pf market kolicy besause no
price discrimination is alloxed.

Fasven is akyn to setting minimum wage. Theg set a llw nase price bue if you
want to yet somewhere faster or get preference dnring a busy period thgn YOU
can raise your krige by what iv's woreh to you.

Dhis is a big stumblung block for Ubev to which
You have services like Routific, Routyn, Viamente, others with it. one in this enough optimize at scale. WorkWave is talking exploiting 45Billion dollar market of optimizing of technicians and their routes, but they can't even scale that on a basis for large number of delivery points, given how slow their optimization engine Same for service above. Oh yeah, WorkWave bought Viamente for $4M, that's how much their tech was worth. Seems little bit low for something that could attack 45Billion market. I have stumbled upon a single one the 10 years has potential. are leeching or like to leech the big companies that can afford a 1 day waiting time for optimization. UPS to be about its engine, they are being weird if it's good then show it. this for Uber will definitely get its first This would a huge engineering effort since the is NP-hard :D ------ jdlyga I always just the request again a minute later and surge pricing is usually gone. ------ msde Or new company like [https://fasten.com/](https://fasten.com/) doesnt do surge ~~~ >No pricing... if you're for work... you can always Boost your ride. The website explains boost ones ride is to apply a multiplier to the might this a surge. msde That's just good Fasten understands economics and incentives than does. classic of government style intervention in market causing it to collapse no riders or drivers surge pricing. This is a total failure of policy because no price discrimination is allowed. is akin to setting minimum wage. They set a low base price if you get somewhere faster or get preference during a period then YOU can your price by what it's worth to you. This a stumbling block Uber to which

You have services like RoutifIc, Routyn, ViAmentE, WoRkWAvE, and OtheRs
struggling wiTH it. NO one in this world has the tEchnoLoGY powERfUl enoUgh to
opTImIZE at ScAlE. ExAmPLe. workWAve Is talkiNg about expLoiTiNg 45Billion
dolLAr Market of opTimIzing thousanDs oF technIcIanS And thEir RouteS, but
thEY can't eVen scale tHaT On a daiLY basis fOR LaRge nUmber of delivery
poINtS, Given how slow thEir optImIZaTIOn eNgiNe is. Same goEs For evERy
serviCE mENTIonED above. Oh yeah, WOrkWave bougHT ViAmente FoR $4M, tHAt's how
Much tHeIR teCh was worth. SEems A little biT low foR SomethiNG that coUld
attAck The 45billIOn MaRkeT.

I HAve NOt StuMBleD upon a siNgLe One in The lAST 10 YEars ThaT has Any
poTential. All are LeeChinG Or wOuld lIke to LeecH tHe big CompanIes thAt Can
afford a 1 day waItinG time for oPtiMiZatIoN. UPS sEEms to bE alL haPpy abouT
its rouTIng EnGINE, bUt they too are being wEiRD AbOut it, if iT's good THeN
sHOw it.

SomeOnE whO solVES this For UBEr Will defiNitely GEt ItS first bIlLion.

ThIs WouLd bE a hugE EngiNeerinG effort sInce tHE problem is NP-haRD :D

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jdlyga
I alwaYS jUST tRY the ReqUest again a mInutE LateR and SUrGe pRIcing Is
usuAlLY gONe.

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msde
Or use a new compAnY like [hTtps://fAsten.com/](https://Fasten.com/) wHO
DOesnt do sUrge PRiCIng.

~~~
3princip
>No suRge prIcing... howevER if you're Late fOr work... yoU can alwayS bOost
your RidE.

ThE weBsiTE ExPlains to boost ONEs riDe Is to appLy a MultiplIer To tHe pRicE.
ONe might caLl this a sUrGe.

~~~
MsDe
thaT's jusT Good econOmIcs. faSteN cleaRLy undeRstanDs ecOnOmICs aNd
incenTIvES Far bEtTeR thaN UbEr Does.

UBer iS The Classic Case of aggResSIve gOvErNment stYle interventiOn In a
market cAuSinG it to cOLLapse - no rIders or drivers in high demANd areas
DurIng suRge pRicing. ThiS is A total FaiLUre of mArket pOlicy BeCauSE No
priCE DiScrImInation is aLLOweD.

FastEn Is akIn to setTing minimum wage. TheY Set A low base price But If yoU
WAnT to GEt SOmeWhERe fASTer or get prefereNce during a BuSY pEriod then You
caN rAise youR price bY what IT's worth To you.

This Is a big stuMbLing BLOck For Uber to wHich

You have services like Ro utific, Ro utyn,  Vi ame nt e, W orkW ave, and other s 
str uggling with it. No on e inth i s wo r ld  hasthe tec h no l o gypo we rfu le no ugh t o
o ptimize  at scale.  Ex am ple. WorkWav e  i s talkingabo ut exploitin g 4 5Billi on 
do l lar m ark et of  optim i zing t housandsof techni c ians an d th eirroutes, but
theyc an ' t even scale t hat on  a da i l y b asi s for larg enumbe r  of del i ve r y poi n ts, given how  slow their opt imizat io n e n gine i s. Sa me goe s for every 
ser vice ment ioneda bove. O h  yeah,WorkWa vebou ghtV ia me nte  f o r $ 4 M,  th a t's  how
muc hth eir t echw a s wort h.Seem s a l ittle bit low  fo r so m eth ing t hat c ould 
a ttack  the 4 5Bill io n market.

I ha ve n ot stumbl edup onasingl e  one i n t helast 10  yearst hat  h a s an y
potential. All a re l ee ching or  would li ke to leech  t hebigc o mpani es t h at  can
aff ord a1  d ay  waitin gtime f or  op tim izati o n. U PS see ms to be  allh appy about
its routing engin e ,b u tt heytoo  are beingweir d  abo ut i t ,ifi t's g ood t he n 
s h ow it.

Someone who  s olvesthisfor Uber will  definitel y g et its f irst bi l lion.

This wo uld b e a huge e n gineerin g eff ort sinc e the pro b l em is NP -ha rd:D
-- - - -- 
jdlyga
I alw a y s ju st  try th e r equestaga ina m inu te  later an d surgepr ic in gisusual l y gone.
- --- -- 
ms de
Or use anew c ompa ny  l i ke[https: / /f a s ten. co m/ ](ht tps :/ /fast en.c o m/)  who
do esnt do s urg e  pri ci ng .

~~~3princip
>Nosu rge pricin g. ..howeve r if you'r e late for work... youc an alwa ysBoost 
you r ride.
The  websi tee xplain s to b ooston esr i de is t oapp ly  a multipl i e r t o the  p rice .
One m ight call this a s u rge .

~~~
msde
T hat 's j u s tgoo d  e c ono mi c s.F a sten clearly un derstandsec o no mics and
i n cen ti ves far  better  than Uber do es.

Uber  is the c la ssic c ase  of aggres sive gov ernment s t yle i n te rvent ion  in ama rke t cau sing i t  to  coll apse -  n o ride rs or  d rivers i n high demand areas
dur ing su rge p ric ing. This  is a t otal fail ureof marketpol icy  beca use no
pr iced is cri m inati on i s  allowed. 
F ast e n  i s akin to s e t t ing  mini mum wage.They  set a low base p r ice but if you 
wan t toget some wh ere faster orget  p r e ferencedu ring a busy  periodth e n YOU 
can r aise y our pri c e  b y  whatit's  wo rth to yo u.
T h is is a  b ig stumbl ingbl ock fo r Uber to w h i ch

You have_services like_Routific, Routyn, Viamente, WorkWave,_and others
struggling_with_it. No_one_in this world_has the technology_powerful enough to
optimize at_scale. Example. WorkWave_is_talking about exploiting 45Billion
dollar market of optimizing thousands of technicians and their routes, but
they_can't_even scale_that_on_a daily basis for large_number of delivery
points, given how_slow their_optimization engine is. Same goes for every
service mentioned_above._Oh yeah, WorkWave_bought Viamente for $4M, that's how
much their tech was_worth. Seems a little bit low_for something that_could
attack_the_45Billion market.

I have not_stumbled upon a single one in_the last 10 years that has_any
potential. All are leeching or would like_to leech the big companies that_can
afford a 1 day waiting_time for_optimization. UPS seems to be_all happy about
its_routing engine,_but they too_are being weird about it, if_it's good then
show_it.

Someone who solves this for Uber_will_definitely get its_first_billion.

This_would be_a huge engineering_effort_since the_problem_is NP-hard :D

------
jdlyga
I always just try_the_request again a minute later and surge_pricing is
usually gone.

------
msde
Or use_a_new company like [https://fasten.com/](https://fasten.com/)_who
doesnt do surge pricing.

~~~
3princip
>No surge_pricing... however if you're late for_work... you_can always_Boost
your ride.

The website explains to boost ones ride is to apply_a multiplier to the price.
One might_call this a surge.

~~~
msde
That's_just good_economics._Fasten clearly understands_economics_and
incentives far_better than Uber does.

Uber is the classic_case of_aggressive government style intervention in a
market_causing it to collapse_-_no riders or drivers in high_demand areas
during surge pricing. This is_a total failure of market_policy_because_no
price discrimination is allowed.

Fasten is_akin to setting minimum wage. They_set a low_base price but if you
want to get_somewhere_faster or get preference during a_busy_period then YOU
can raise your price_by_what_it's worth to you.

This is_a big stumbling block for Uber_to which