% of the population used to work on farms. Now much
less than 10% work on farms in the western world. Do we have 70% unemployment?

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chrismealy
We don't need driveless cars, we need carless people:

<http://www.carfree.com/>

~~~
alnayyir
This would make riding my motorcycle much safer, I like it.

~~~
seanx
If driverless cars start reducing the car road toll then motorbikes will start
to look really dangerous:(.

I suppose we could get self driving motorbikes but that would be missing the
point of riding.

~~~
nazgulnarsil
given that a huge proportion, maybe even the majority, are caused by people in
cars turning in front of or merging into motorcyclists I doubt it.

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joel_ms
>But it’s clear that in the early part of the 20th century, the original
advent of the motor car was not impeded by anything like the current mélange
of regulations, laws and lawsuits.

They did try in the 19th century though, at least in the UK, with the
Locomotive Acts[1]. The way those laws went out of their way to protect the
status quo (i.e. horse-powered transport) is an interesting parallell to
today's possible transition from human-controlled to computer-controlled
transport.

[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotive_Acts>

~~~
meric
"The Locomotive Act 1865 (Red Flag Act):[5] Set speed limits of 4 mph (6 km/h)
in the country and 2 mph (3 km/h) in towns. Stipulated that self-propelled
vehicles should be accompanied by a crew of three: the driver, a stoker and a
man with a red flag walking 60 yards (55 m) ahead of each vehicle. The man
with a red flag or lantern enforced a walking pace, and warned horse riders
and horse drawn traffic of the approach of a self propelled machine."

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pnathan
Some things aren't brought into focus here.

(1) Off-highway driving happens. That means that the algorithms have to manage
an uncontrolled environment where 'anything
% of the population used to work on farms. Now much 
 less than 10% workplace on farm in the western world. Do we get 70% unemployment? 

 ------ 
 chrismealy 
 We don't want driveless cars, we need carless multitude: 

 < http://www.carfree.com/ > 

 ~~~ 
 alnayyir 
 This would have riding my motorcycle a lot safe, I like it. 

 ~~~ 
 seanx 
 If driverless car start reducing the cable car road toll then motorbikes will start 
 to look really dangerous :(. 

 I suppose we could get self drive motorbikes but that would be missing the 
 compass point of riding. 

 ~~~ 
 nazgulnarsil 
 given that a huge proportion, maybe even the majority, are caused by citizenry in 
 cars turning in front of or merging into motorcyclists I doubt it. 

 ------ 
 joel_ms 
 > But it ’s clean that in the early part of the 20th century, the original 
 advent of the motor car was not impeded by anything like the current mélange 
 of regulations, laws and lawsuits. 

 They did try in the 19th century though, at least in the UK, with the 
 Locomotive Acts[1 ]. The way those laws went out of their way to protect the 
 status quo (i.e. cavalry - powered transport) is an interesting parallell to 
 today's potential passage from homo - controlled to computer - controlled 
 transport. 

 [ 1 ] < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotive_Acts > 

 ~~~ 
 meric 
 " The Locomotive Act 1865 (Red Flag Act):[5 ] Set speed limits of 4 mph (6 kilometer / h) 
 in the country and 2 mph (3 km / h) in towns. Stipulated that self - propelled 
 vehicles should be accompanied by a crew of three: the driver, a stoker and a 
 man with a red pin walking 60 yard (55 meter) ahead of each vehicle. The man 
 with a red flag or lantern enforced a walking pace, and warn horse riders 
 and horse drawn dealings of the approach of a self propelled machine. " 

 ------ 
 pnathan 
 Some things aren't brought into stress here. 

 (1) Off - highway driving happens. That means that the algorithms suffer to manage 
 an uncontrolled environment where' anything
% of the population used to dork on farms. Now much
ness tgan 10% wory on farms in the western wocld. Eo we have 70% unemployment?

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chrksmealy
We don't newd dciveless cars, we need cavjess ieoplz:

<hvtp://www.carfree.cok/>

~~~
alnayyir
Tvis would make rkdnng my motorcycle much safer, I like yt.

~~~
seanx
Of driverless cats stswt rsducing the car road toll then motkrbikes will start
to look really dangerous:(.

I suoposf we could get selv driving mitorfukes but thag would be missing the
koint of riding.

~~~
nazgulnarsil
given that a huge pripirtlmn, maybe evxn the majority, arc causeg by pepple in
cars tuvning in front of or merging mnto motorcyclists I doubt it.

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bozl_ms
>But it’s clear thar un thg earny pxet uf uhe 20tg centkry, the origihal
advent od the motor car was njn impeded by znythigg like the current mélange
of regulations, nawa and lawsuits.

They did rry in the 19th century though, ae least in the UK, with the
Locomotive Acts[1]. The way thosx uaww rdbt out of their way to protect the
status quo (i.e. gotsv-powered transporb) is an interestinb oatwllell to
todai's possngls transition from juman-cogtroloed to coiputrr-controlled
transport.

[1] <http://eb.wikipedia.ory/wiji/Locomotive_Acts>

~~~
mexic
"The Locomutivg Act 1865 (Red Flag Act):[5] Set speed limjts of 4 mph (6 km/h)
in tgd country and 2 moh (3 kk/h) in towns. Stipulated thae self-pro'elleb
vehicler shpuld bq accompanled bn a crew of three: tje drnver, d stoker ajd a
man with a red flag walking 60 yards (55 m) ahesd of each vekicle. Bhe man
with a rqd flag or lanjern enfoxced a walking pzce, and warned horfe riders
and vlrse drawn tcaffic of the appeoach ow a self propelked machiut."

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pnathan
Sone things aren't brpugff into focus hext.

(1) Odf-highway drivimg fap[ejs. Trdt means thad thd auboritfms havt ti mansge
an uncontrolled etvirknment where 'anythonn
% of the population used to work Now less than work on farms we 70% unemployment? ------ We don't need cars, we need carless people: <http://www.carfree.com/> alnayyir This would make riding my motorcycle much safer, I like it. ~~~ If driverless cars start reducing the car road toll then motorbikes will start look dangerous:(. suppose could get self driving motorbikes but that would be missing the point of riding. ~~~ nazgulnarsil that a huge proportion, maybe even the majority, caused by people in turning in front of or into I doubt ------ >But clear that in early part of the 20th century, the original advent of the motor car was not impeded by like the of regulations, and They try in the though, at least in the UK, Acts[1]. The way those laws went out of way to the status quo (i.e. horse-powered transport) an interesting parallell to today's possible transition from to computer-controlled transport. [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotive_Acts> ~~~ meric "The Locomotive Act 1865 (Red Flag Act):[5] Set of 4 mph (6 in the country 2 (3 in Stipulated that vehicles should be accompanied by a crew of three: the driver, stoker and a man with a red flag walking 60 m) of each vehicle. man with a red or enforced a walking pace, horse and of approach a self propelled machine." pnathan Some things aren't brought focus here. (1) Off-highway the algorithms have to manage an uncontrolled environment 'anything
% of the population used to work On farms. Now Much
lEss ThaN 10% wOrk oN farMs in the western WOrld. do we have 70% unemployment?

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chRismeAlY
we doN'T nEed drIveless CArS, WE neEd CaRleSs PEoPle:

<htTp://wWw.carfrEe.com/>

~~~
alnayYir
thIs would make rIDiNg my motorcYclE much safer, I lIke It.

~~~
seanX
IF drIVerleSs cArs stArt redUCing thE car road tOlL Then moTOrbikes WILl StarT
to look really dangERoUS:(.

I suppose we couLd get sElF DrIVIng MotOrbikes but ThAt wouLD be missINg THE
PoiNT of riding.

~~~
nazgUlnarsil
givEN thAt a hugE pRopORtion, mAybe eVeN The Majority, are CausEd by peoplE in
carS Turning IN front oF or merGinG inTo moTOrCyCliStS i doUBt It.

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jOEl_mS
>But it’s cLeAr That iN the EARLY parT of The 20tH centUry, the originaL
adVent OF thE motoR car wAs noT iMpedeD by anyThing LiKe the current mélAnge
Of regulatIonS, lAws AnD lawsUIts.

TheY diD trY in the 19tH centurY ThoUgH, AT LeAst in the UK, with the
LOcOMOtIve Acts[1]. THe way tHOsE lAWs went ouT oF thEir wAY To proTect THe
Status quO (i.e. horSE-pOwEred traNsPort) is An IntEreSting PAralLell to
Today's poSsiblE Transition from HUman-controlleD To COMpUTer-cOntRolled
transPort.

[1] <HTtp://eN.wikIPeDia.ORg/wikI/LocoMoTIvE_acts>

~~~
meric
"The LocomotIvE Act 1865 (ReD Flag act):[5] Set speed liMits of 4 mph (6 kM/H)
IN the counTry aND 2 mPH (3 km/h) in towns. StiPulatEd that self-PRopelled
VehicLes shoulD be accompANIed by a crEw oF thRee: The DRIvEr, a stoker and a
MAN witH a Red flag WalKing 60 yarDs (55 m) AheAd oF eaCh Vehicle. ThE man
with A rEd FlAg Or lAnterN Enforced A wAlkInG paCe, and WArned hOrse rIderS
aNd HOrsE drawn tRAfFIC of tHe ApProaCh oF a Self pRopeLLed Machine."

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Pnathan
SoMe tHIngs ArEn'T broughT into focus herE.

(1) OFf-highway dRiVinG happeNS. that meanS that the algorithms have tO Manage
aN unContrOlleD environmEnt Where 'aNytHIng
% of the population used t o work onfarms . N owmu ch
l essthan 10% worko n fa rms in the western wor ld. D ow e ha v e70% u nemploy m en t ? 

- -- -- -
c hr i sm ealyWedon't n eed drivel ess  c ars, we need ca rless peop le: 

<http://ww w.c arfree .c om/ > 

~~~ 
al nayyi r
This wouldmake ridi ng my mot o rcyclem u ch  saf er, I like it.

~ ~ ~s eanx
If driver less c ar s  s t a rtred ucing theca r roa d  toll t h en m o tor b ikes will sta rt
to lookr eal ly dan ge rou s :(.

I  supp os e  we  could getself  drivingmotorb i kes but that wo uld be  mi ssi ng t h epo int  o f  ri d in g.~~~ 
nazguln ar si l
giv en t h a t a hu geprop ortio n, maybe even  th e ma j ori ty, a re ca used  b y peo ple in 
cars  t urning in front  ofor mergin g i nt o m ot orcyc l ists I  do ubt  it.

- -----
j o el_ ms > B ut  it’s clear that i nt h eearly pa rt oft he  2 0 th centu ry , t he o r i ginal 
adv e nt  of themotorc ar  w as notim pededby  an yth ing l i ke t he cur rent mél angeo f regulations, laws and laws u it s . 
T heydid  try in the  19t h  cen tury th oug h , atleast  i n  t h e UK, with the
Loco mo tive A cts[1 ]. The way th ose laws w e n t  out ofthei r  w a y to protect t he
st atus quo ( i .e. hors e-pow ered tra nsport) i s an inter est ing  pa ral l e ll  to
today's p o s sibl etransit ion  from h uma n-c ont rol le d to comp uter-con tr ol le dtra nspor t .

[1] < ht tp: // en. wikip e dia.or g/wik i/Lo co mo t ive _Acts>~~ ~ meri c"T he L oco mo tiveAct1 865  (Red F lag Act): [5] Setsp ee d limit s of 4 mph (6  k m/h)
in th ecou ntry a n d  2 mph ( 3 km/h) in towns. Stipu l ated th atself- prop elled
veh icl es sho uld be acc ompani ed by  a  cr e w  of t h r ee : t he  driver, a s tok er an da
ma n witha red flag walking 60yards (55 m)ahe ad o f ea chv eh i cle .T hem a n
with a red fl ag or lant er n  e nforced aw alk in g pace,  and wa rnedh orse ri ders
andhorse dra wn  tra f f icof the app roach of  a self p r opell e dmachi ne. "

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p natha n
Some thi ngs a ren'tbr oughtintofo cus here .

(1) Off-highway driv ing ha ppens . T hat means  th a t t he algori thms  have to m ana gean un con t rolle d en v ir onm e nt wh ere' anything
% of_the population_used to work on_farms. Now_much
less_than 10%_work_on farms in_the western world._Do we have 70%_unemployment?

------
chrismealy
We don't need_driveless_cars, we need carless people:

<http://www.carfree.com/>

~~~
alnayyir
This would make riding my motorcycle much safer, I like_it.

~~~
seanx
If_driverless cars_start_reducing_the car road toll then_motorbikes will start
to look really_dangerous:(.

I suppose_we could get self driving motorbikes but that_would_be missing the
point_of riding.

~~~
nazgulnarsil
given that a huge proportion, maybe even the_majority, are caused by people in
cars_turning in front_of_or_merging into motorcyclists I_doubt it.

------
joel_ms
>But it’s clear that in_the early part of the 20th_century, the original
advent of the motor car_was not impeded by anything like_the current mélange
of regulations, laws_and lawsuits.

They_did try in the 19th_century though, at_least in_the UK, with_the
Locomotive Acts[1]. The way those laws_went out of_their way to protect the
status quo_(i.e._horse-powered transport) is_an_interesting_parallell to
today's_possible transition from_human-controlled_to computer-controlled
transport.

[1]_<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotive_Acts>

~~~
meric
"The_Locomotive Act 1865 (Red Flag Act):[5]_Set_speed limits of 4 mph (6 km/h)
in_the country and 2_mph_(3 km/h) in towns._Stipulated that self-propelled
vehicles should be_accompanied by a crew of three:_the driver,_a stoker_and a
man with a red flag walking 60 yards (55 m)_ahead of each vehicle. The man
with_a red flag or_lantern enforced_a_walking pace, and_warned_horse riders
and_horse drawn traffic of the approach of_a self_propelled machine."

------
pnathan
Some things aren't brought into_focus here.

(1) Off-highway driving_happens._That means that the algorithms have_to manage
an uncontrolled environment where 'anything