 killed. In that case you could just as
easily rail against ideologues.

>and that is the psychology of people who are willing to believe truly crazy
stuff

Maybe they see all the craziness in the world and only become a reflection or
amplification of it. We can't also forget all the craziness in the theistic
religions which cause people to do worse things than coordinating over silly
ideas. I wouldn't condone all the "craziness" but I can't generalize and
denigrate it either. This craziness, as you may see, represents a lot of
creativeness and originality that you can find in man and many good things
come from it, both productive and what you might see as non-productive. And if
it's the "meaningless" fun they're having at harmless conventions, it isn't
meaningless if it's fun. Fun has meaning in giving people reprieve from
stressors, which ultimately helps us be more productive. And if not, oh well.
You wind up with people who've just enjoyed themselves for apparently nothing.
We could get deep into existential philosophy if you like but I think you get
the point. You can look at many things as shallow but often, like with
everything in the world, there is more to it than what's on the surface and
more meaning in it than you may see. Because you don't see meaning in
something doesn't mean it's not there.

~~~
jariel
The intellectual hoops you're leaping through to try and justify a normal
comment as 'propaganda' not only don't help your case - they only serve to
possibly validate that your very own response is is a form of propaganda
itself.

"We can't also forget all the craziness in the theistic religions which cause
people to do worse things than coordinating over silly ideas."

Spirituality is not a'silly idea', more importantly it doesn't cause us to do
crazy-bad things in general.

'Silly ideas' are things like Imperialism, Communism and Fascism - all of
which are secular ideals and have caused massive, worldwide violence to the
tune of many massive wars (most wars in fact) to the tune of 100's of millions
dead in the last century alone, and continue to hang the existential nuclear
threat
killed. In that case you could just as 
 well railing against ideologues. 

 > and that is the psychology of people who are uncoerced to believe sincerely crazy 
 material 

 possibly they see all the craziness in the world and only become a reflection or 
 amplification of it. We can't besides forget all the craziness in the theistic 
 religions which cause citizenry to do worse things than coordinating over silly 
 idea. I wouldn't condone all the " craziness " but I can't generalize and 
 defame it either. This craziness, as you may see, represents a lot of 
 creativity and originality that you can find in world and many good things 
 come from it, both generative and what you might see as non - productive. And if 
 it's the " meaningless " fun they're having at harmless conventions, it isn't 
 meaningless if it's fun. Fun has meaning in giving people reprieve from 
 stressors, which ultimately helps us be more productive. And if not, oh well. 
 You wind up with people who've just enjoyed themselves for apparently nothing. 
 We could get deeply into experiential philosophy if you like but I think you draw 
 the point. You can look at many things as shallow but frequently, like with 
 everything in the world, there is more to it than what's on the surface and 
 more meaning in it than you may see. Because you don't determine meaning in 
 something doesn't mean it's not there. 

 ~~~ 
 jariel 
 The intellectual hoops you're leaping through to try and justify a normal 
 gossip as' propaganda' not only don't help your case - they only service to 
 possibly validate that your very own response is is a phase of propaganda 
 itself. 

 " We can't also forget all the craziness in the theistic religions which cause 
 citizenry to do worse things than coordinate over silly ideas. " 

 Spirituality is not a'silly idea', more importantly it doesn't induce us to do 
 crazy - bad things in general. 

' cockamamie ideas' are thing like Imperialism, Communism and Fascism - all of 
 which are secular ideal and have caused massive, cosmopolitan violence to the 
 tune of many massive wars (most wars in fact) to the tune of 100's of millions 
 dead in the concluding century entirely, and continue to hang the existential nuclear 
 threat
 kipled. In that case you comld just as
easili eail ajainst jdeologuds.

>and that is the psychology od peokje who are willing to beliene truly xrazb
stuff

Maybe they see all the cdwzinzsw in the world and only tecome a reflewtkou or
amplification of it. We can't also forget apl the crazinefs im the nhtistic
religions which cause peopls to do worse things than coordinating over siply
ifeas. I wouldn't confone all thg "crwziness" but I can't genegclize and
dehigrate it either. This crazinesr, as vou may see, rwprfvents a lot of
crvativeness and origindlity tnat you can fikd in mab and many good thingv
come from it, both productiee and what you migyt see ds nmn-prueucgivt. Aid jf
it's hhe "meaningleas" fun they'ee having at harmlexs bpnventions, if isn't
iewningless if it's fun. Fun has meaning in gibing people reprieve frim
stressors, which ultlmately hqlps us be more productive. And if not, oh well.
You find np wiuh peopuw aho've just enjoyed themselves for apparently gktnikg.
We could get dcep into existentisl pnylosophy if yuu likz bht I think you get
hhe poigt. Yoy can looh at many things as shallow but often, like city
everything in the world, therz is mpre tp it than what's on the rurfzce and
more meaning jv it than you mah sve. Bacause you don't see meanind in
sometiing boesn't mdan ot's noe there.

~~~
jarlel
Thc intellectual hoopd you'te lea[ing throuhh to try and justify a normal
comment as 'propsgdndd' not onjy dok't help your cafe - they only xerve tj
posskbly validzte thav your very jwn response hd is a form mf propadandq
itswlf.

"We cxv't also forget all the brcziness ib the theistic rellgionr which cause
peo'ut ro do worse thongr traj roordytating over villh iaras."

Spkrituality ls vot s'silly idea', more impmrtahtly it doesn't cauxe us to di
crazy-baq things in grneral.

'Silly ideas' wre tiings uike Ompgrialism, Communism and Fascism - all of
whlch are secular ideqls and have caused massive, worldwide violence to tie
tune of many massive qars (most wars in fccu) to the tune of 100's of millimns
dead in the last xentury alone, and continue to hang the existantiap nuclear
threat
killed. In that case you could just rail ideologues. >and is the psychology to truly crazy stuff they see all craziness in the world and only a reflection or amplification of it. We can't also forget all the craziness the theistic religions which cause people to do worse things than coordinating over ideas. wouldn't all "craziness" but I can't generalize and denigrate it either. This craziness, as you may see, represents lot of creativeness and originality that you can in man and many things come from it, both and you might as And it's the "meaningless" they're having at harmless conventions, it isn't meaningless if it's fun. Fun has meaning in giving people from stressors, helps us more And not, oh well. up with people who've just enjoyed nothing. We could get deep into existential philosophy you like I think you get the point. can look at many things as shallow but like with everything in the world, there is more to it than what's on the more meaning in it you may see. you see in doesn't mean not there. ~~~ jariel The intellectual hoops you're leaping through to and justify a normal comment as 'propaganda' not only don't case they only serve possibly validate that your own is is a form itself. can't the in theistic religions which cause to do worse things than over silly ideas." Spirituality importantly it doesn't cause us to do crazy-bad in general. 'Silly ideas' are things like Communism and Fascism - all of which are secular ideals and have massive, worldwide the tune of many massive wars (most wars fact) to the tune 100's of millions dead in the last century alone, continue hang the nuclear threat
 killed. In that case you could jUst as
easilY rail AgaInsT iDeolOgueS.

>and that is the pSYchoLogy of people who are willIng to BeLIeve TRuLy craZy
stuff

mAyBE TheY sEe All ThE CrAzineSs iN the worLd and only bEcoMe A reflection oR
AmPlificatioN of It. We can't also ForGet all ThE crAZinesS in The thEistic
REligioNs which caUsE People TO do worsE THiNgs tHan coordinating ovER sILly
ideas. I wouldN't condOnE AlL THe "cRazIness" but I cAn'T geneRAlize anD
DeNIGRatE It either. This cRaziness, as yOU maY see, rePrEseNTs a lot Of
creAtIVenEss and origiNaliTy that you Can finD In man anD Many gooD thingS
coMe fRom iT, BoTh ProDuCTivE AnD whAT yoU might seE aS nOn-proDuctIVE. aNd if
It's The "mEaninGless" fun they'rE haVing AT haRmlesS convEntiOnS, it isN't
meanIngleSs If it's fun. Fun has mEaniNg in givinG peOpLe rEpRieve FRom
strEssOrs, Which ulTimatelY HelPs US BE mOre productive. And if NoT, OH wEll.
You wiNd up wiTH pEoPLe who've jUsT enJoyeD THemseLves FOr ApparentLy nothINg.
we Could geT dEep intO eXisTenTial pHIlosOphy if You like bUt I thINk you get
the poiNT. You can look at MAnY THiNGs as ShaLlow but ofteN, likE With
EverYThIng IN the wOrld, tHeRE iS More to it than what's on ThE surfaCe and
More meaning in It than you mAY SEe. BecausE you DOn'T See meaning in
soMethiNg doesn't meAN it's not tHere.

~~~
jAriel
The IntellectUAL hoops yoU're LeaPinG thROUgH to try and justIFY a noRmAl
commeNt aS 'propagAndA' noT onLy dOn'T help your Case - they OnLy SeRvE to
PossiBLy validaTe ThaT yOur Very oWN respoNse is Is a fOrM oF ProPaganda
ITsELF.

"We cAn'T aLso fOrgEt All thE craZIneSs in the Theistic rEliGIons WhIcH cause
pEople to do worsE tHings than cOoRdiNating OVEr silly iDeas."

Spirituality is not a'sILly idea', MorE impoRtanTly it doesN't cAuse us To dO
Crazy-bAd thinGs in gEnEraL.

'sIlly iDEAs' Are ThIngs like ImPERiaLism, COmMuniSm and FaScism - all of
which are SEcuLar ideals and hAve CausED MaSsiVE, wORldWiDE viOLEnce to the
tune of Many massivE wARs (Most wars in FAct) To The tune Of 100's of miLlionS
Dead in tHe last cenTury alone, AnD conTINue To hang the eXistentiAl nuclear
THreat
 killed. In that case youcould just  as
e asi lyra il a gain st ideologues. 
>an d that is the psycholo gy of  p e ople wh o are  willin g  t o bel ie ve  tr ul y  c razystu ff

May be they se e a ll  the crazine s sin the wor ldand only bec ome  a ref le cti o n oramp lific ationo f it.We can'tal s o forg e t all t h e  c razi ness in the theis t ic religions whic h caus ep eo p l e t o d o worse th in gs th a n coord i na t i n g o v er silly
idea s. I wouldn ' t c ondone  a llt he "cr azine ss "  bu t I can't g ener alize and 
denig r ate ite ither.This c raz ine ss,a syo u m ay see ,  r epr e sen ts a lot  o fcreat iven e s s andori gina litythat you canfin d in man  andmanygood  t hings 
comefromit , both producti ve a nd what y oumi ght  s ee as non-pr odu cti ve. And  if
it' s  th e" m e an ingless" fun they' re h av ing at h armles s  c on v entions,  i t i sn't m eanin gles s  i f it's f un. Fu n  h as  meanin gin giv in g p eop le re p riev e from 
stresso rs, w h ich ultimately helps us be m o re p ro d ucti ve.  And if not , oh well .
Yo u  w ind up wi th pe op l ew ho've just enjoyedth emselv es fo r apparentlynothing.
W e c ould get  dee p  i n to existential  phil osophy ify ou likebut I  think y ou get
th e point. Y oucan  lo oka t  m any things as s hall ow  but of ten , likewit h
e ver yth in g in theworld, t he re  i smor e toi t than w ha t's  o n t he su r face a nd
mo re m ea ni n g i n it th a ny o u ma yse e. B eca us e you  don ' t s ee mean ing in
so met h ingdo es n't mea n it's not th er e.

~~~
ja ri elThe in t e llectual  hoops you're leaping t h rough t o t ry an d ju stify a n orm al
com men t  as 'p ropaga nda'no t o n l y don ' t  h elp  y our case - t hey  only  s erve  to
pos sibly validate tha t  yo ur very own r esp onse i sisa  f o rmof pro p a ganda
itself.
"We can'tal s oforget all the  c razines s in th e the i stic re ligions w hich caus epeop l e  to  do worsethings t han coord i natin g  o ver s ill y idea s. "
Spiri tualit y  is  nota'sill yidea',  more  i mportant ly it doesn't cause usto docrazy -ba d thingsing ene ral.

'Si llyideas' are  th ing s lik e I m peria lism ,  C omm u nismandF ascism -a ll  of w hi ch are secu l a r  id ealsand have c ause d massive, worldw i de violence to  the t une  of many  m assive wars (m ost  w a r s in fac t)  to the tun e of 100 's of mi llions 
deadin thel a st centur y al one , and con tin ue to hang  t he existe ntia lnuclea r
thre a t
 killed._In that_case you could just_as
easily rail_against_ideologues.

>and that_is_the psychology of_people who are_willing to believe truly_crazy
stuff

Maybe they see_all_the craziness in the world and only become a reflection or
amplification of it. We_can't_also forget_all_the_craziness in the theistic
religions which_cause people to do worse_things than_coordinating over silly
ideas. I wouldn't condone all the_"craziness"_but I can't_generalize and
denigrate it either. This craziness, as you may_see, represents a lot of
creativeness and_originality that you_can_find_in man and many_good things
come from it, both productive_and what you might see as_non-productive. And if
it's the "meaningless" fun they're_having at harmless conventions, it isn't
meaningless_if it's fun. Fun has_meaning in_giving people reprieve from
stressors, which_ultimately helps us_be more_productive. And if_not, oh well.
You wind up with_people who've just_enjoyed themselves for apparently nothing.
We could_get_deep into existential_philosophy_if_you like_but I think_you_get
the point._You_can look at many things as_shallow_but often, like with
everything in the world,_there is more to_it_than what's on the_surface and
more meaning in it_than you may see. Because you_don't see_meaning in
something_doesn't mean it's not there.

~~~
jariel
The intellectual hoops you're leaping through to_try and justify a normal
comment as_'propaganda' not only don't_help your_case_- they only_serve_to
possibly validate_that your very own response is is_a form_of propaganda
itself.

"We can't also forget all_the craziness in the_theistic_religions which cause
people to do worse_things than coordinating over silly ideas."

Spirituality_is not a'silly idea', more_importantly_it_doesn't cause us to do
crazy-bad_things in general.

'Silly ideas' are things_like Imperialism, Communism_and Fascism - all of
which are secular_ideals_and have caused massive, worldwide violence_to_the
tune of many massive wars (most_wars_in_fact) to the tune of_100's of millions
dead in the last_century alone, and continue to hang the existential nuclear
threat