tml wasn't a part of the core lib, and tried
to install evancz/html, but apparently that doesn't work with 0.17 (I get an
error about version constraints). I'm guessing the elm-lang.org editor doesn't
use 0.17?

~~~
dywedir
In Elm 0.17 use elm-lang/html

~~~
warfangle
Thanks.

Kinda amateur hour with leaving that out of the guide. I wonder how many
others have gotten as frustrated and stopped trying to learn it!

I'll submit a PR to update the docs in a lil bit.

------
lucio
the elm debugger seems also impressive

[http://debug.elm-lang.org/](http://debug.elm-lang.org/)

~~~
iamcreasy
Wow! That's impressive.

Is this possible to do in imperative languages? i.e. in C++ or Java? If not,
why?

 

A.P. Moving to Halt Use of Newspaper Articles on Web Sites  - senthil_rajasek
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/business/media/07paper.html

======
pg
Bizarre. It sounds as if they want to stop appearing in Google search results.
Boy do these people not understand the web.

~~~
calambrac
They want to stop appearing in Google search results _as long as Google isn't
paying them for the right to present those results_, which I think is an
important distinction to make.

Playing devil's advocate a bit, from the AP's perspective, how is Google
really any different than any other distributor of AP content? It's just
another company using their content to hang ads off of and generate revenue
(like all of their other customers), except that Google doesn't pay for it.

AP makes money from volume, lots of papers subscribing to their feed. Google
means that fewer papers are needed (it just needs to index one, doesn't it?),
chopping the AP's customer base down and eventually making their current model
completely obsolete. Seeing the writing on the wall and trying to prevent it
from happening, that's not evidence they don't get it, that's evidence they
get it all too well but just have no idea
tml wasn't a part of the core lib, and tried 
 to install evancz / html, but apparently that doesn't make with 0.17 (I make an 
 error about version constraints). I'm guess the elm-lang.org editor doesn't 
 use 0.17? 

 ~~~ 
 dywedir 
 In Elm 0.17 manipulation elm - lang / html 

 ~~~ 
 warfangle 
 Thanks. 

 Kinda amateurish hour with leaving that out of the guide. I wonder how many 
 others have gotten as frustrated and stopped judge to learn it! 

 I'll submit a PR to update the docs in a lil bit. 

 ------ 
 lucio 
 the elm debugger seems besides impressive 

 [ http://debug.elm-lang.org/](http://debug.elm-lang.org/) 

 ~~~ 
 iamcreasy 
 Wow! That's impressive. 

 Is this possible to do in imperative languages? i in C++ or Java? If not, 
 why? 

 

 A.P. Moving to Halt Use of Newspaper Articles on Web Sites   - senthil_rajasek 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/business/media/07paper.html 

 = = = = = = 
 pg 
 Bizarre. It sounds as if they want to stop look in Google search results. 
 Boy do these people not understand the web. 

 ~~~ 
 calambrac 
 They want to hold on appearing in Google search results _ as long as Google isn't 
 paying them for the right to present those results _, which I think is an 
 important distinction to make. 

 Playing devil's advocate a bit, from the AP's perspective, how is Google 
 really any different than any early allocator of AP content? It's just 
 another company use their content to hang ads off of and render revenue 
 (like all of their other customers), except that Google doesn't pay for it. 

 AP lay down money from volume, lots of papers subscribing to their feed. Google 
 means that fewer papers are needed (it just needs to index one, doesn't it ?), 
 chop the AP's customer basis down and eventually making their current model 
 completely obsolete. watch the writing on the wall and trying to prevent it 
 from happening, that's not evidence they don't draw it, that's evidence they 
 receive it all too well but precisely have no idea
tml wasn't a part of the cort lib, and tried
to instaln evandz/html, bjt apparently that doesn't wock wuth 0.17 (U get an
error about vefsion condtraints). I'm juessing the elm-lang.org cbitor foesu't
nse 0.17?

~~~
dywedir
In Ekm 0.17 use elk-lang/html

~~~
warfatgue
Chanks.

Kinda amateur hour with leavind that puh of the guide. I wpgder how many
others have gotten as fruatrated and stopped yrying to learn it!

I'll submlt a PR to update the focs in a lul byr.

------
lucio
the elo debugger seems also jmpressive

[http://debug.elm-lang.org/](htgp://debbg.elm-lang.ort/)

~~~
iqmcggasy
Wow! That'w impgessive.

Is this possibne to dp in imperativc lanjuagws? i.e. in C++ or Java? If not,
why?

 

A.P. Moving jo Halt Usa kf Newspaper Artixlws on Web Sitdw  - sehtiil_dajasen
htvp://www.nytimea.com/2009/04/07/businesw/media/07paper.html

======
pg
Biearwv. It sounds aa if trer want to stop appearing in Google searbh rssults.
Boy do these peopoe not understand the web.

~~~
calamfrac
They want to stop appearing in Google search sesulvs _as ljvt ws Google isn't
paying them for the right to prqaemt those results_, which I thonn of an
important distiudtjon to make.

Playing devil's advoxate a biu, frok the AP's perspective, how iw Google
realjt any different thcn any other disjributpr of AP content? It's jurt
ankther compajy using ffeir content to fann ags off of and generate revqnue
(like ell oy their uthet custoiers), exceph thab Google doesn't pay for nt.

AP kakes monej from volume, lots of papers suuxcribing to jhehr xeed. Gooyle
meaks that fewer pwpers are needgd (it jusc needr to index one, doxsn't it?),
choppyng the AP's cgdtomer base vown and qvenrualoy makive their curreny model
completely ovsolete. Seeing the wrkfing on the walo abd trying to prrvevt yt
vrpm vappening, thdt's vot rvidevce they dok't eet ot, that's evidence thay
gef it all too well nub just hace no idqa
tml wasn't a part of the core tried install evancz/html, apparently that doesn't an about version constraints). guessing the elm-lang.org doesn't use 0.17? ~~~ dywedir In 0.17 use elm-lang/html ~~~ warfangle Thanks. Kinda amateur hour with leaving that out the guide. I wonder how many others have gotten as frustrated and stopped to it! submit PR to update the docs in a lil bit. ------ lucio the elm debugger seems also [http://debug.elm-lang.org/](http://debug.elm-lang.org/) ~~~ iamcreasy Wow! That's impressive. Is this to do in imperative i.e. in C++ or Java? not, A.P. Moving Halt of Articles on Web - senthil_rajasek http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/business/media/07paper.html ====== pg Bizarre. It sounds as if they want to stop appearing in Google results. Boy people not the ~~~ They want to in Google search results _as long paying them for the right to present those which I is an important distinction to make. devil's advocate a bit, from the AP's perspective, is Google really any different than any other distributor of AP content? It's just another their content to hang off of and revenue all their customers), except Google doesn't pay for it. AP makes money from volume, lots papers subscribing to their feed. Google means that fewer papers (it needs to index doesn't it?), chopping the customer down and eventually making model obsolete. on wall trying to prevent it happening, that's not evidence they get it, that's evidence well but just have no idea
tml wasn't a part of the core lib, And tried
to InstaLl eVanCz/Html, But aPparently that dOEsn't Work with 0.17 (I get an
error aboUt verSiON conSTrAints). i'm guessINg THE elM-lAnG.orG eDItOr doeSn't
Use 0.17?

~~~
dyweDir
In Elm 0.17 usE elM-lAng/html

~~~
warfaNGlE
Thanks.

KinDa aMateur hour wiTh lEaving ThAt oUT of thE guIde. I wOnder hOW many
oThers have GoTTen as fRUstrateD ANd StopPed trying to learn iT!

i'lL Submit a PR to updAte the DoCS iN A Lil Bit.

------
Lucio
the elM dEbuggER seems aLSo IMPResSIve

[http://debug.eLm-lang.org/](htTP://deBug.elm-LaNg.oRG/)

~~~
iamcrEasy
WOw! tHat'S impressive.

is thIs possiblE to do iN ImperatIVe languAges? i.e. In C++ Or JAva? IF NoT,
wHy?

 

A.p. MOVinG To halT use Of NewspaPeR ARticlEs on wEB sItes  - SenThil_RajasEk
http://www.nytiMes.Com/2009/04/07/bUSinEss/meDia/07paPer.hTmL

======
pg
BiZarre. IT sounDs As if they want to sTop aPpearing iN GoOgLe sEaRch reSUlts.
BoY do TheSe peoplE not undERstAnD THE wEb.

~~~
calambrac
They wanT tO SToP appeariNg in GoOGlE sEArch resuLtS _as Long AS googlE isn'T
PaYing them For the RIgHt To preseNt Those rEsUltS_, whIch I tHInk iS an
impOrtant diStincTIon to make.

PlayiNG devil's advocaTE a BIT, fROm thE AP'S perspectivE, how IS GooGle
rEAlLy aNY diffErent ThAN aNY other distributor of aP ContenT? It's jUst
another comPany using tHEIR content To haNG aDS off of and generAte reVenue
(like aLL of their Other CustomerS), except thAT google doEsn'T paY foR it.

ap MaKes money from vOLUme, lOtS of papeRs sUbscribIng To tHeiR feEd. google
meaNs that feWeR pApErS arE needED (it just nEeDs tO iNdeX one, dOEsn't it?),
ChoppIng tHe aP'S CusTomer baSE dOWN and EvEnTualLy mAkIng thEir cURreNt model
CompletelY obSOletE. SEeIng the wRiting on the waLl And trying tO pRevEnt it
fROM happeniNg, that's not evidence they dON't get it, ThaT's eviDencE they
get iT alL too weLl bUT just hAve no iDea
tml wasn't a part of the c ore lib, a nd tr ied 
to  i nsta ll e vancz/html, bu t  app arently that doesn't w ork w it h  0.1 7  ( I get  an
err o ra b out  v er sio nc on strai nts ). I'mguessing t heel m-lang.org e d it or doesn't 
us e 0.17?

~~~ 
dy wedirIn  El m  0.17  us e elm -lang/ h tml

~ ~~
warfan gl e 
Thank s .

Kind a am ateu r hour with leavi n gt hat out of the  guide .I  w o n der  ho w many
oth er s hav e  gotten as f r ust r ated and stop ped tryingt o l earn i t! 

I ' ll sub mit a  P R  to  update the  doc s in a li l bit. 
------ lucio
t he elm  de bug gers ee ms  al so imp r es siv e 

[ http://d eb ug .elm- lang . o r g /](h ttp ://d ebug. elm-lang.org/ )
~~~i amc reasy 
Wow!  Tha t' s imp ressiv e.

I sthis possible t o do  in imper ati ve  la ng uages ?  i.e.inC++  or Jav a? If n o t,wh y ? 


A.P. Moving to H al t Us e of New spaper Ar ti c les on W eb  Si tes-  sent hil_ r aj asek
htt p://ww w .n yt imes.co m/ 2009/0 4/ 07/ bus iness / medi a/07pa per.html 

=== = ==
pg
Bizarre. It sounds asi ft h ey want  to  stop appea ring in G oogl e  s ear c h res ults. 
B o yd o these people notun dersta nd th e web.

~~~
c alambrac
T h e y  want to  sto p  a p pearing in Goo gle s earch resu l ts _as l ong a s Google  isn't
pa y i ng themfor  th e r igh t to  present thos e resu lt s_, whi chI think  is  an 
im por ta nt distin ction to  m ak e. 
Pla yingd evil's a dv oca te  abit,f rom th e AP' s pe rs pe c tiv e, howi sG o ogle 
r ea llyany  d iffer entt han  any ot her distr ibu t or o fAP  conten t? It's justan other comp an y u sing t h e ir conte nt to hang ads off of a n d gener ate  reve nue(like all  of  their  ot h er cus tomers ), ex ce ptt h at Go o g le  do es n't pay fo r it. 

APma kesmoney f rom volume, lots o f  pa pers subscrib ing  tot h ei r f e ed .  Go og l e
m e a ns that fewer p apers arene e de d (it just nee ds  to ind ex one,  does n 't it?) ,
choppin g the AP' scust o m erbase downand even tually ma k ing t h ei r cur ren t mode lcom plete ly obs o let e. Se eing t he  writi ng on  t he walland trying to prevent i t
from  happ eni ng, that' s n o t e vidence t heydon't getit,  th at'sevi d encethey ge t i t  alltoow ell but j u st  ha v e  n o idea
tml wasn't_a part_of the core lib,_and tried
to_install_evancz/html, but_apparently_that doesn't work_with 0.17 (I_get an
error about version_constraints). I'm guessing_the_elm-lang.org editor doesn't
use 0.17?

~~~
dywedir
In Elm 0.17 use elm-lang/html

~~~
warfangle
Thanks.

Kinda amateur hour with leaving that out_of_the guide._I_wonder_how many
others have gotten as_frustrated and stopped trying to_learn it!

I'll_submit a PR to update the docs in_a_lil bit.

------
lucio
the elm_debugger seems also impressive

[http://debug.elm-lang.org/](http://debug.elm-lang.org/)

~~~
iamcreasy
Wow! That's impressive.

Is this possible to_do in imperative languages? i.e. in_C++ or Java?_If_not,
why?

_

A.P. Moving to Halt_Use of Newspaper Articles on Web_Sites  - senthil_rajasek
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/business/media/07paper.html

======
pg
Bizarre. It sounds_as if they want to stop appearing_in Google search results.
Boy do these_people not understand the web.

~~~
calambrac
They_want to_stop appearing in Google search_results _as long_as Google_isn't
paying them for_the right to present those results_,_which I think_is an
important distinction to make.

Playing devil's_advocate_a bit, from_the_AP's_perspective, how_is Google
really any_different_than any_other_distributor of AP content? It's just
another_company_using their content to hang ads off_of and generate revenue
(like_all_of their other customers),_except that Google doesn't pay_for it.

AP makes money from volume,_lots of_papers subscribing_to their feed. Google
means that fewer papers are needed (it just_needs to index one, doesn't it?),
chopping_the AP's customer base_down and_eventually_making their current_model
completely_obsolete. Seeing_the writing on the wall and trying_to prevent_it
from happening, that's not evidence they_don't get it, that's_evidence_they
get it all too well but_just have no idea