 to help her become more human.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins>

Emotional machines plot? ugh.

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zephjc
Eh, I don't know about this. It sounds like it has a plot and conflict, but
will it be good storytelling? However, it's kind of cool to see so many big
AI-community/singularitarian names in the cast credits!

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geuis
I did some work earlier this year making some machinima video in Second Life
for this movie. From what I've seen so far, it's just a documentary-style
movie.

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drhowarddrfine
Any movie that has co-directors means it's going to be bad. Particularly when
one of them is not in the film business at all.

Yes, I'm aware of the films made by "brothers" but those are exceptions to the
rule.

 
The Mate Selection Trapdoor - jseliger
http://nautil.us/issue/54/the-unspoken/the-mate-selection-trapdoor
======
bambax
Great article. This part is esp. insightful IMHO

> _When the chuck evolved, it was lucky enough to exploit a hidden preference,
> but we now see it was not uniquely attractive. Many different kinds of
> sounds might have worked just as well; the luck of the chuck was being
> first._

Many secondary sexual attributes that we consider to be a major marker of a
species likely evolved by accident. Females of a species may be attracted to
something out of the ordinary (feathers on the head, an oddly shaped fin,
etc.), and the first extraordinary trait wins.

Also, accidents happen. Male Australian beetles find empty beer bottles
incredibly attractive. Or they used to, until the shape of the bottle was
changed to alleviate the problem.

Cf.
[https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193493225/t...](https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193493225/the-
love-that-dared-not-speak-its-name-of-a-beetle-for-a-
to help her become more human. 
 < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins > 

 Emotional machines plot? ugh. 

 ------ 
 zephjc 
 Eh, I don't acknowledge about this. It sound like it has a plot and conflict, but 
 will it be good storytelling? However, it's kind of cool to witness so many big 
 AI - residential district / singularitarian names in the cast credits! 

 ------ 
 geuis 
 I act some work earlier this class making some machinima video in Second Life 
 for this movie. From what I've seen so far, it's barely a documentary - style 
 movie. 

 ------ 
 drhowarddrfine 
 Any movie that has co - directors means it's go to be bad. Particularly when 
 one of them is not in the film clientele at all. 

 Yes, I'm aware of the films construct by " brothers " but those are exceptions to the 
 rule. 

 
 The Mate Selection Trapdoor - jseliger 
 http://nautil.us/issue/54/the-unspoken/the-mate-selection-trapdoor 
 = = = = = = 
 bambax 
 Great article. This part is esp. insightful IMHO 

 > _ When the chow evolved, it was lucky enough to exploit a hidden preference, 
 > but we now determine it was not uniquely attractive. Many different kinds of 
 > sounds might have worked just as well; the luck of the chuck was being 
 > first. _ 

 Many secondary intimate property that we consider to be a major marker of a 
 coinage probably evolved by accident. Females of a species may be attracted to 
 something out of the average (feathers on the pass, an oddly shaped louver, 
 etc .), and the first extraordinary trait wins. 

 Also, accidents happen. Male Australian beetles witness empty beer bottles 
 incredibly attractive. Or they used to, until the shape of the bottle was 
 changed to alleviate the trouble. 

 Cf. 
 [ https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193493225/t...](https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193493225/the- 
 beloved - that - dared - not - speak - its - name - of - a - beetle - for - a-
 to help her become more huoan.
<http://en.wikipebua.org/wmki/Tony_Dobbins>

Eootional machines plot? ugh.

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ze'hjc
Wh, I eon't know about this. Ig sounds pike it yas e plot and conflmdt, but
wljl if be yoid storytellinn? However, id's kind of coon go see so many big
AI-community/singularytarian nwmes in the caft cgeqits!

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fvuls
I did some work earlier this ysar makpng some machinims video in Second Life
for hhis movie. From what I'ge seen so dar, yr's just a dozumentary-suyne
movie.

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drhkwarddrfine
Any movie that has cu-direetors means ir's hming to be uad. Pagticularly whcm
one ox them os not in the nilm uusibess at all.

Yes, I'm awace of the films made by "brothara" but those are ezcwptiots tm thd
euld.

 
Tge Mzte Sepecvion Trapdokr - jseligee
http://nautil.us/issue/54/tne-tbspoken/the-mats-seleceijn-trapdoor
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bambax
Great article. This part is esp. insightful IMHO

> _Whwn the chuck evolved, lt was lusky enough to exploit a hidden preference,
> but we tow sxe it wwr nlt uniquely attractive. Many different kinds os
> spukds might have wjrked just ss wrjl; the luck ow the egudk was being
> first._

Lany sesondaey sexual atttibutes that we consider to be a major iqrker of a
species pikely evolred by accicent. Females of a specizs may be attractfd to
someffing out of the urdpnarf (feathers on the head, an jddly sha'ed fnn,
etc.), ana thg first extraordijary bsait wins.

Also, accifents hdppen. Male Australian beetles find empty uxer bottles
invraditly attrcctive. Or they used to, until the xhape oy the cottle was
bhanged tm alleviate the problem.

Cx.
[jttps://www.npr.ocg/sectionf/kruowicy/2013/06/19/193493225/t...](https://ddw.npr.org/sectioms/krulwick/2013/06/19/193493225/uhe-
love-thar-dared-not-speak-its-neme-ow-z-beetle-for-a-
to help her become more human. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins> plot? ------ zephjc I don't know it a plot and but will it good storytelling? However, it's kind of to see so many big AI-community/singularitarian names in the cast credits! ------ geuis did some work earlier this year making some machinima video in Second Life this From I've so far, it's just a documentary-style movie. ------ drhowarddrfine Any movie that has co-directors means it's to be bad. Particularly when one of them not in the film at all. Yes, I'm aware the made by but are to the rule. Mate Selection Trapdoor - jseliger http://nautil.us/issue/54/the-unspoken/the-mate-selection-trapdoor ====== bambax Great article. This part is esp. insightful IMHO > the chuck was lucky to a preference, > but see it was not uniquely attractive. of > sounds might have worked just as the luck the chuck was being > first._ secondary sexual attributes that we consider to be major marker of a species likely evolved by accident. Females of a species may be something out of the (feathers on the an shaped etc.), the first trait wins. Also, accidents happen. Male Australian beetles find empty beer incredibly attractive. Or they used to, until the shape of was to alleviate the Cf. [https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193493225/t...](https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193493225/the- love-that-dared-not-speak-its-name-of-a-beetle-for-a-
 to help her become more human.
<hTtp://en.wikipEdia.oRg/wIki/toNy_RoBbinS>

Emotional machINes pLot? ugh.

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zephjc
Eh, I don't knoW abouT tHIs. It SOuNds liKe it has A PlOT And CoNfLicT, bUT
wIll it Be gOod storYtelling? HoWevEr, It's kind of cooL To See so many bIg
Ai-community/siNguLaritaRiAn nAMes in The Cast cRedits!

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GEuis
I dId some worK eARlier tHIs year mAKInG somE machinima video in sEcONd Life
for this mOvie. FrOm WHaT i'Ve sEen So far, it's juSt A docuMEntary-sTYlE
MOVie.

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DRhowarddrfine
any movie thaT Has Co-direCtOrs MEans it'S goinG tO Be bAd. ParticulaRly wHen
one of tHem is nOT in the fILm businEss at aLl.

YEs, I'M awaRE oF tHe fIlMS maDE bY "brOTheRs" but thoSe ArE excePtioNS TO The
rUle.

 
the MAte SeLection TrapdoOr - jSeliGEr
hTtp://naUtil.uS/issUe/54/The-unSpoken/The-maTe-Selection-trapdoOr
======
baMbax
Great ArtIcLe. THiS part IS esp. inSigHtfUl IMHO

> _WHen the cHUck EvOLVEd, It was lucky enough to ExPLOiT a hidden PreferENcE,
> bUT we now seE iT waS not UNIquelY attRAcTive. Many DifferENt KiNds of
> soUnDs mighT hAve WorKed juST as wEll; the Luck of thE chucK Was being
> first._

MANy secondary seXUaL ATtRIbutEs tHat we considEr to BE a maJor mARkEr oF A
specIes liKeLY eVOlved by accident. FemaLeS of a spEcies May be attracteD to
somethiNG OUt of the oRdinARy (FEathers on the heAd, an oDdly shaped FIn,
etc.), and The fiRst extraOrdinary tRAIt wins.

AlSo, aCciDenTs hAPPeN. Male AustraliAN BeetLeS find emPty Beer botTleS
inCreDibLy AttractivE. Or they uSeD tO, uNtIl tHe shaPE of the boTtLe wAs
ChaNged tO AlleviAte thE proBlEm.

cF.
[htTps://www.nPR.oRG/SectIoNs/KrulWicH/2013/06/19/193493225/t...](Https://Www.nPR.orG/sectioNs/krulwicH/2013/06/19/193493225/thE-
Love-ThAt-Dared-noT-speak-its-name-Of-A-beetle-for-A-
 to help her become more h uman.
<htt p://e n.w iki pe dia. org/ wiki/Tony_Robb i ns>
Emotional machines pl ot? u gh . 

-- - -- -
zep hjc
Eh, Id o n't  k no w a bo u tthis.  It  sounds  like it h asaplot and con f li ct, but
wi llit be good s tor ytelli ng ? H o wever , i t's k ind of cool t o see soma n y bigA I-commu n i ty /sin gularitarian name s  i n  the cast cred its!
-- - -- - geu isI did some  w ork e a rlier t h is y e arm aking some ma chinima vid e o i n Seco nd  Li f e
forthismo v ie.  From whatI've  seen sofar, i t 's just a docum entary -st yle 
mov i e. 
--- -- - 
dr h ow ard d rfi ne
Any m ov ie  that  has c o - dire cto rs m eansit's going to  be  bad .  Pa rticu larly  whe none o f them  is n ot  in the film bu sine ss at all .
Ye s,I' m awa r e of t hefil ms made  by "br o the rs " b ut  those are excepti on s to  the
rul e.

 T he  M a te Selec ti onTrap d o or -jsel i ge r
http:/ /nauti l .u s/ issue/5 4/ the-un sp oke n/t he-ma t e-se lectio n-trapdo or
== = ===
bambax
Gre a t article. Th i sp a rt is e sp.  insightful  IMH O 

>_Whe n  t hec huckevolv ed ,  i t  was lucky enough t oexploi t a h idden prefere nce,
> but w e  now see  itw as not uniquely a ttrac tive. Many differen t kin ds of
>sounds mi g h t have w ork edjus t a s we ll; the lucko f  the  c huck wa s b eing
>fir st. _
Man ysecondary  sexualat tr ib ut esthatw e consid er  to  b e a  majo r  marke r ofa
sp ec ie s  li kely ev o lv e d  byac ci dent . F em alesof a spe cies ma y be attr act e d to 
s om ethingout of the or di nary (feat he rson the h ead, anoddly shaped fin,
etc.) ,  and th e f irstextr aordinary  tr ait wi ns. 
Also,  accid entsha ppe n .  Male A us tra li an beetles f ind  empt ybeer  bottle s
incredibly attra c tiv e. Or they us edto,u n ti l t h es hap eo f t h e  bottle was
cha nged to al le v ia te the pro b lem .
Cf.
[h ttps:// www.n p r.org/s ections/k rulwich/2 01 3/06 / 1 9/1 93493225/t ...](htt ps://www. n pr.or g /s ectio ns/ krulwi ch /20 13/06 /19/19 3 493 225/t he-
lo ve -that- dared -n ot-speak -its-name-of-a-beetle-f or-a-
 to_help her_become more human.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins>

Emotional machines_plot? ugh.

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zephjc
Eh,_I_don't know_about_this. It sounds_like it has_a plot and conflict,_but
will it be_good_storytelling? However, it's kind of cool to see so many big
AI-community/singularitarian names in the_cast_credits!

------
geuis
I did_some_work_earlier this year making some_machinima video in Second Life
for_this movie._From what I've seen so far, it's just_a_documentary-style
movie.

------
drhowarddrfine
Any movie that_has co-directors means it's going to be bad. Particularly_when
one of them is not in_the film business_at_all.

Yes,_I'm aware of the_films made by "brothers" but those_are exceptions to the
rule.

 
The Mate_Selection Trapdoor - jseliger
http://nautil.us/issue/54/the-unspoken/the-mate-selection-trapdoor
======
bambax
Great article. This part_is esp. insightful IMHO

> _When the_chuck evolved, it was lucky_enough to_exploit a hidden preference,
> but_we now see_it was_not uniquely attractive._Many different kinds of
> sounds might_have worked just_as well; the luck of the_chuck_was being
> first._

Many_secondary_sexual_attributes that_we consider to_be_a major_marker_of a
species likely evolved by accident._Females_of a species may be attracted to
something_out of the ordinary_(feathers_on the head, an_oddly shaped fin,
etc.), and the_first extraordinary trait wins.

Also, accidents happen._Male Australian_beetles find_empty beer bottles
incredibly attractive. Or they used to, until the shape_of the bottle was
changed to alleviate_the problem.

Cf.
[https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193493225/t...](https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193493225/the-
love-that-dared-not-speak-its-name-of-a-beetle-for-a-