 focusing a lot of time
on that then this probably isn't a good book to read.

~~~
tjakab
On the other hand, is it necessarily bad to follow the techniques in the book
to create a steady revenue stream (even if it's just enough to cover some
basic debt) while putting your energy into a proper startup?

The general point of the book is to find a way to separate income from labor
and thus free up your time to do things you really want to do. That probably
includes founding a startup just as much as it would traveling around the
world or cage fighting or whatever else.

~~~
flux
I guess if it's necessary to get your startup off the ground it could be a
good idea. It's just that I see a lot of people looking at the internet just
as a source of money, rather than thinking how can I improve this or add
something of value. Having said this I do think some of his techniques could
be useful and the book was quite interesting.

------
truebosko
The whole idea of spending 4 hours a week to run your startup business is just
silly. Yes, I've read the book and know what kind of techniques he mentions
but it doesn't fit for many businesses.

As an example. I could outsource my customer service to someone else, but then
I lose that connection between the customer and I. I like having that
connection, it allows me to see what my customers are looking for, what irks
them, and allows me to further advance my business

Basically, I can't stand this book. :)

~~~
pchristensen
That aspect gets talked about a lot (both in and out of the book), but the
truth is he already had a business with paying customers, and he streamlined
it so he could run it easily instead of trying to maximize revenue. A rarely
mentioned part of the book is where he gives you steps to build a business
like his. First, you have to do a _lot_ of work, including doing _everything_
from answering phones, writing marketing copy, packaging every item, etc _by
yourself_. Only when you have a product, traction, customers, and experience
managing them, can you write the scripts, evaluate vendors and outsourcers,
and streamline the business so that a customer can buy, receive, return, or
focusing a lot of time 
 on that then this probably isn't a beneficial ledger to read. 

 ~~~ 
 tjakab 
 On the other hand, is it inevitably bad to follow the techniques in the bible 
 to create a steady gross stream (even if it's just adequate to cover some 
 basic debt) while putting your energy into a proper startup? 

 The cosmopolitan point of the book is to witness a way to separate income from parturiency 
 and thus free up your time to practice things you really want to do. That credibly 
 includes establish a startup just as much as it would travel around the 
 world or cage fighting or whatever else. 

 ~~~ 
 flux 
 I guess if it's necessary to beget your startup off the ground it could be a 
 good idea. It's just that I see a lot of people looking at the internet just 
 as a beginning of money, rather than thinking how can I better this or lend 
 something of value. Having said this I do think some of his techniques could 
 be utilitarian and the book was quite interesting. 

 ------ 
 truebosko 
 The solid idea of spending 4 hour a week to run your startup business is just 
 silly. Yes, I've learn the book and know what kind of techniques he mentions 
 but it doesn't meet for many occupation. 

 As an case. I could outsource my customer service to someone else, but then 
 I lose that connection between the customer and I. I wish having that 
 connection, it allows me to see what my customers are looking for, what irks 
 them, and allows me to further progress my business 

 Basically, I can't resist this book. :) 

 ~~~ 
 pchristensen 
 That aspect gets talk about a lot (both in and out of the record), but the 
 truth is he already induce a business with pay customers, and he streamlined 
 it so he could run it easily instead of try to maximize revenue. A rarely 
 mentioned part of the book is where he gives you steps to build a business 
 like his. foremost, you have to do a _ bunch _ of work, including doing _ everything _ 
 from answering phones, writing marketing transcript, packaging every item, etc _ by 
 yourself _. Only when you have a product, traction, customers, and experience 
 cope them, can you publish the scripts, evaluate vendors and outsourcers, 
 and streamline the business so that a customer can buy, receive, tax return, or
 fofusing a lot of time
on tmat then this probably msn't a food booy to read.

~~~
tjakab
On the other iand, is iu necessarily bad tu follow nhe technuquew in the book
to create a abeady cevenue stream (gven if it's bust enough to cuvzr some
basic debt) while putting your energy ijto a proper sjartuk?

Thq gehvrcl point of the book is to find a way uo separate income from labor
and thus free uo yokr time to do thinhs you realoy wwbt to do. Thag probably
pucludes fouhding a startup just as much as it wpuld traveoibg wtound the
worod or cage fightikb or wvatever else.

~~~
flux
I guexs mf ir's necessary to get ymur startup off thg ground id eould be a
good idea. Ir's just thad I rwe x lkt or peoppe mooking at the internwt just
as a source pf noney, rather fhan trigking how can I improve this or add
someuhing of value. Having said tyis I do think some ov his tecrniques could
be useful and the book was quite intarestmne.

------
trbcnosku
Rhf whole idea of spending 4 hours a week to run goir startup busincss is just
silly. Yrs, I'fg read the booy and knos what kind of tecjniques he mwntions
buu it coesn't fit for many busineswes.

As an exaiple. I could outsouxce my custooer xervive to someone else, but chen
I mose that clnnection cetween the custumeg ang I. I like having that
connqction, it allpws me go sge what my customfrs ava looking for, what irks
jhem, atd allows le to further advance my business

Basically, I vat't vtand thns bool. :)

~~~
pchristenseg
That aspect ggts talkeb aboug a lot (bonh in and out of the book), but the
dtuth is he alceady had a bysinwss witf paying customrrs, and hv ftreqmlined
it so he comld ron it easily instzcd of trying to msxioizq gevxnue. W rarely
mentimned pafy of ghe book is dherr he gives you steps to guild a business
lile his. Firwt, you hwve to do a _lpt_ of work, includijg domng _evxrythimg_
ftom answering phones, writing madketing clpy, packaging edery item, etc _by
vourself_. Only when you have a product, trection, customers, and experience
managing thgm, gan you writx the fcripts, eealuate vendors and iutsourcers,
and stveamline the business ao thad a ckstomer can buy, receive, return, or
focusing a lot of time on that probably a good to read. ~~~ is necessarily bad to the techniques in book to create a steady revenue (even if it's just enough to cover some basic debt) while putting your into a proper startup? The general point of the book is to find way separate from and thus free up your time to do things you really want to do. That probably founding a startup just as much as it traveling around the world cage fighting or whatever else. flux guess if necessary get startup off the it could be a good idea. It's just that I see a lot of people looking at internet just source of rather thinking can I improve add something of value. Having said think some of his techniques could be useful the book quite interesting. ------ truebosko The whole of spending 4 hours a week to run startup business is just silly. Yes, I've read the book and know what kind of mentions but it doesn't for many businesses. an I outsource customer service someone else, but then I lose that connection between the customer I. I like having that connection, it allows me to my are looking for, irks them, and allows to advance my business Basically, stand book. That gets about a lot (both and out of the book), the truth is he paying customers, and he streamlined it so he run it easily instead of trying to revenue. A rarely mentioned part of the book is where he gives steps to business like his. First, you have to do _lot_ of work, including _everything_ from answering phones, writing marketing copy, packaging every etc yourself_. Only you have a traction, customers, and managing them, can the scripts, vendors outsourcers, business so that a customer can receive, or
 focusing a lot of time
on that tHen this proBably Isn'T a gOoD booK to rEad.

~~~
tjakab
On the OTher Hand, is it necessarily bad To folLoW The tEChNiqueS in the bOOk
TO CreAtE a SteAdY ReVenue StrEam (even If it's just eNouGh To cover some
bASiC debt) while PutTing your enerGy iNto a prOpEr sTArtup?

the GenerAl poinT Of the bOok is to fiNd A Way to sEParate iNCOmE froM labor
and thus free UP yOUr time to do thinGs you rEaLLy WANt tO do. that probabLy
IncluDEs foundINg A STArtUP just as much as It would travELinG arounD tHe
wORld or cAge fiGhTIng Or whatever eLse.

~~~
fLux
I guess If it's nECessary TO get youR startUp oFf tHe grOUnD iT coUlD Be a
GOoD idEA. It'S just thaT I SeE a lot Of peOPLE LookIng At thE inteRnet just
as a soUrcE of mONey, RatheR than ThinKiNg how Can I imProve ThIs or add
somethinG of vAlue. HavinG saId ThiS I Do thiNK some oF hiS teChniqueS could
bE UseFuL AND tHe book was quite inteReSTInG.

------
truebosKo
The wHOlE iDEa of spenDiNg 4 hOurs A WEek to Run yOUr Startup bUsinesS Is JuSt
silly. yeS, I've reAd The BooK and kNOw whAt kind Of techniQues hE Mentions
but it dOEsn't fit for manY BuSINeSSes.

AS an Example. I couLd ouTSourCe my CUsTomER servIce to SoMEoNE else, but then
I lose thAt ConnecTion bEtween the custOmer and I. I lIKE Having thAt
coNNeCTion, it allows me To see What my custOMers are lOokinG for, what Irks
them, aND Allows me To fUrtHer AdvANCe My business

BasICAlly, i cAn't stanD thIs book. :)

~~~
pChrIstEnsEn
THaT aspect geTs talked AbOuT a LoT (boTh in aND out of thE bOok), BuT thE
trutH Is he alReady Had a BuSiNEss With payINg CUStomErS, aNd he StrEaMlineD
it sO He cOuld run It easily iNstEAd of TrYiNg to maxImize revenue. A RaRely
mentioNeD paRt of thE BOok is wheRe he gives you steps to builD A busineSs
lIke hiS. FirSt, you have To dO a _lot_ oF woRK, incluDing doIng _evErYthING_
from ANSwEriNg Phones, writING maRketiNg Copy, PackagiNg every item, etc _by
yoURseLf_. Only when you HavE a prODUcT, trACtIOn, cUsTOmeRS, And experience
maNaging them, CaN YoU write the sCRipTs, EvaluatE vendorS and oUTsourceRs,
and streAmline the BuSineSS So tHat a customEr can buy, Receive, reTUrn, or
 focusing a lot of time
on  that then  this  pr oba bl y is n'ta good book to read .

~~~
tjakab
On the o therha n d, i s  i t nec essaril y  b a d  to  f ol low  t h etechn iqu es in t he book
to  cr ea te a steadyr ev enue strea m ( even if it's  ju st eno ug h t o  cove r s ome
b asic d e bt) wh ile putti ng your e n ergy in t o  a  pro per startup?

The ge n eral point ofthe bo ok is t o f ind  a way tose parat e  income fr o m lab o r
and thus fr ee up yourt ime  to do  t hin g s youreall yw ant  to do. Tha t pr obably
in cludes foundin g  a star tup ju stasmuch as  i t w ou l d t r av eli n g a round th ewo rld o r ca g e f ight ing  orwhate ver else.

~~ ~
f luxI  gu ess i f it' s ne ce ssary  to ge t you rstartup off the  gro und it co uld  b e a 
g ood i d ea. It 'sjus t thatI see a lot  o f p eo ple looking at the  i n t er net just 
as as ou rc e  of mone y,  ra ther t han t hink i ng  how can  I imp r ov ethis or  a dd
som et hin g o f val u e. H avingsaid thi s I d o  think some of his technique s  c o u ld be u sef ul and thebook wasquit e  i nte r estin g.

- -- - -- truebosko
The whole  i dea of  spen ding 4 hoursa week tor u n  your st artu p  b u siness is just 
sill y. Yes, I' v e read t he bo ok and k now whatk i nd of te chn iqu eshem e nt ions
but it d o e sn't  f it forman y busin ess es. 

A s a nexample.I couldou ts ou rc e m y cus t omer ser vi ceto  so meone else,but t henIlo s e t hat con n ec t i on b et we en t hecu stome r an d  I.  I like  having t hat conn ec ti on, itallows me tose e what mycu sto mers a r e  looking  for, what irks
them, a n d allow s m e tofurt her advan cemy bus ine s s

Bas ically , I c an 'ts t and t h i sboo k.  :)

~~~
p c h ris tense nThat  aspect  gets talked about a l ot (both in a ndouto f  t heb oo k ),bu t  th e truth is he alr eady had a  b u si ness withp ayi ng  custom ers, an d hes treamli ned
it so  he could  r un i t eas ily instea d of try ing to ma x imize re venue . A  rarel ymen tione d part ofthe b ook is  w here h e giv es  you ste ps to build a businesslike h is. F irs t, you ha vet o d o a _lot_  ofwork, incl udi ngdoing  _e v eryth ing_ fr oma nswer ingp hones, wr i ti ngm a rk eting copy, p a cka gingeve r y item , et c _by
yourself_.O nly when you h avea pro duc t , tr ac tion, customer s,an d experien ce 
managing t hem, can  y o u wri te the  scrip ts, eva l u at e  vendo rs a ndoutsource rs, 
a n d strea ml in e  the b usin es s so t hat ac usto m e r can buy, recei ve, r e t urn,o r
 focusing_a lot_of time
on that then_this probably_isn't_a good_book_to read.

~~~
tjakab
On the_other hand, is_it necessarily bad to_follow the techniques_in_the book
to create a steady revenue stream (even if it's just enough to cover_some
basic_debt) while_putting_your_energy into a proper startup?

The_general point of the book_is to_find a way to separate income from labor
and_thus_free up your_time to do things you really want to do._That probably
includes founding a startup just_as much as_it_would_traveling around the
world or_cage fighting or whatever else.

~~~
flux
I guess_if it's necessary to get your_startup off the ground it could be_a
good idea. It's just that I_see a lot of people_looking at_the internet just
as a source_of money, rather_than thinking_how can I_improve this or add
something of value._Having said this_I do think some of his_techniques_could
be useful and_the_book_was quite_interesting.

------
truebosko
The whole idea_of_spending 4_hours_a week to run your startup_business_is just
silly. Yes, I've read the book_and know what kind_of_techniques he mentions
but it_doesn't fit for many businesses.

As_an example. I could outsource my_customer service_to someone_else, but then
I lose that connection between the customer and I._I like having that
connection, it allows_me to see what_my customers_are_looking for, what_irks
them,_and allows_me to further advance my business

Basically, I_can't stand_this book. :)

~~~
pchristensen
That aspect gets talked_about a lot (both_in_and out of the book), but_the
truth is he already had a_business with paying customers, and_he_streamlined
it_so he could run it_easily instead of trying to maximize_revenue. A rarely
mentioned_part of the book is where he_gives_you steps to build a business
like_his._First, you have to do a__lot__of_work, including doing _everything_
from answering_phones, writing marketing copy, packaging every_item, etc _by
yourself_. Only when you have a product,_traction, customers, and_experience
managing them, can you write_the_scripts,_evaluate vendors and outsourcers,
and streamline the business so that a_customer can_buy, receive, return,_or