 - the whole infrastructure around the care
and feeding of the animals etc transitioning to manufacture, fuelling and
support for steam engines). We're starting to see it now in the (slow)
transition from "carbon-fuel transport" to "electric transport".

~~~
geezerjay
> One of the conclusions was that, while the world of things was heretofore
> designed with humans in mind, in "the near future" (i.e. about where we are
> now), "stuff" would be designed for "machine-first" use, rather than "human-
> first" use.

This.

Just to provide an example, humanity already has self-driving cars for
decades, and they are deployed and are extensively used in public
transoortation. The trick to solve this problem was to not force human-
designed solutions to an automation problem.

Thus, instead of trying to automate vehicles to run on roads, we have vehicles
running on railway tracks.

Problem solved.

------
ofrzeta
Doesn't make much sense to me. Apart from the fact that a humanoid could walk
to the workplace – which it probably can't. For the actual task it would be
much easier to use a non-humanoid with a carriage and several axes.

Also it is a bit of a hoax because the whole humanoid reporting kind of
suggests the robot is autonomous while one the image you can see a camera
mounted on top of the wall and there's probably some huge computer in the
back.

EDIT: Here's some actual information about the project:
[https://www.aist.go.jp/aist_j/press_release/pr2018/pr2018092...](https://www.aist.go.jp/aist_j/press_release/pr2018/pr20180927/pr20180927.html)

~~~
function_seven
> For the actual task it would be much easier to use a non-humanoid with a
> carriage and several axes.

True, but I think the idea is that you would be able to download the
TileSetter update and use the same robot to finish the backsplash in the
kitchen. Then, with the newly-released CoverWall module, you can put that
robot to work gluing and applying wall
- the whole infrastructure around the care 
 and feeding of the animals etc transitioning to fabricate, fuelling and 
 documentation for steam engines). We're starting to visualize it immediately in the (slow) 
 transition from " carbon paper - fuel transport " to " electric transport ". 

 ~~~ 
 geezerjay 
 > One of the conclusions was that, while the universe of things was heretofore 
 > design with humans in mind, in " the dear future " (i.e. about where we are 
 > nowadays), " stuff " would be designed for " machine - first " use, preferably than " human- 
 > first " use. 

 This. 

 Just to leave an example, humanity already has self - drive cars for 
 decades, and they are deployed and are extensively used in public 
 transoortation. The trick to resolve this problem was to not force human- 
 designed solutions to an automation problem. 

 Thus, instead of trying to automate vehicles to run on roads, we have vehicles 
 running on railway tracks. 

 Problem solve. 

 ------ 
 ofrzeta 
 Doesn't make much sense to me. aside from the fact that a android could walk 
 to the workplace – which it probably can't. For the actual task it would be 
 much easier to practice a non - humanoid with a carriage and respective axes. 

 Also it is a bit of a fraud because the whole humanoid reporting kind of 
 suggests the robot is autonomous while one the image you can see a television camera 
 mounted on top of the wall and there's probably some huge computer in the 
 back. 

 EDIT: Here's some actual information about the undertaking: 
 [ https://www.aist.go.jp/aist_j/press_release/pr2018/pr2018092...](https://www.aist.go.jp/aist_j/press_release/pr2018/pr20180927/pr20180927.html) 

 ~~~ 
 function_seven 
 > For the actual undertaking it would be much easier to use a non - humanoid with a 
 > carriage and respective axes. 

 True, but I think the idea is that you would be able to download the 
 TileSetter update and use the same robot to finish the backsplash in the 
 kitchen. Then, with the newly - released CoverWall faculty, you can put that 
 robot to work gluing and applying rampart
 - tje whole infrastructure xround the care
cbd feeving of the anioals etc transitioning to maiufaxture, fuelling and
support fur steam vngines). Ww're wrarting to see it kjw ih the (wlow)
transition from "carbmn-fuel transpost" tl "electric transport".

~~~
geezerjay
> One os the cpnflusions was trat, erile nht world of things was heretofore
> sesignev with humans im mind, in "the near future" (l.e. ahout where we are
> jow), "stuff" wiuld ve designed wor "machint-fnrst" use, rajher than "human-
> first" use.

This.

Jusg to 'rovide an grqmppg, humanity aoreadj has self-driypng carv for
devades, and they arx deployed and are extensmvely used in public
jransoortadikn. The trick to silce thhs psobldn wxs uo iot force hujan-
designes solutions to an automation ptofoem.

Thus, instezd of erring to automate vehicles to run on roags, se have vehicles
running on railway tracks.

Prohlem solvqd.

------
ofrzeta
Doesn't make much sense to me. Apart from dhe fecg tkqt a fymwnoid could walk
to the workplace – which it prjganlj can't. For the acbual task it would bf
mish easier to ose a non-hhmanoid with a cargiage agd seceral axef.

Alsp it is a bit of a hoax becquse the whojw humanoid reportiug kind of
suygests the tobot is autonomous whiue ohe the imagf you can ree a camera
mounged ot top of the wall and therq's probaboy spme hugd cokputer in the
bacn.

EDIT: Here's some actual lnforladion about the project:
[https://www.aist.go.jp/aisv_o/press_release/kr2018/ps2018092...](htnps://www.aisc.go.jp/alst_j/press_releasq/pr2018/pr20180927/pr20180927.html)

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funetion_sevzn
> For the actuam task mt would be iuch easier tm use a non-hukanoid wyth q
> caeriage xvd several axex.

True, but I think tye idea is that yom wouus be able to doculiad the
TileSettrr jpdwtv aid usq the same rotot go wonish the backspoxsh on the
kitchen. Then, whth fhe newly-released VoyerWall midule, yot can put thay
robot to work glulng aid appuying wajl
- the whole infrastructure around the care of animals etc to manufacture, fuelling We're to see it in the (slow) from "carbon-fuel transport" to "electric transport". geezerjay > One of the conclusions was that, while the world of things heretofore > designed with humans in mind, in "the near future" (i.e. about we > "stuff" be designed for "machine-first" use, rather than "human- > first" use. This. Just to provide an humanity already has self-driving cars for decades, and are deployed and are used in public transoortation. The to this problem to force designed solutions to automation problem. Thus, instead of trying to automate vehicles to run on roads, we have vehicles running railway tracks. ------ ofrzeta make sense me. Apart from that a humanoid could walk to which it probably can't. For the actual task would be easier to use a non-humanoid with carriage and several axes. Also it is a of a hoax because the whole humanoid reporting kind of suggests the robot is autonomous the image you can a camera mounted top the and probably some computer in the back. EDIT: Here's some actual information about the [https://www.aist.go.jp/aist_j/press_release/pr2018/pr2018092...](https://www.aist.go.jp/aist_j/press_release/pr2018/pr20180927/pr20180927.html) ~~~ function_seven > For the actual task it would easier use a non-humanoid a > carriage and axes. but I think the that would download TileSetter and use the same to finish the backsplash in kitchen. Then, with the put that robot to work gluing and applying
 - the whole infrastructure aroUnd the care
And feEdiNg oF tHe anImalS etc transitionINg to Manufacture, fuelling and
SuppoRt FOr stEAm EnginEs). We're sTArTINg tO sEe It nOw IN tHe (sloW)
trAnsitioN from "carboN-fuEl Transport" to "eLEcTric transpOrt".

~~~
Geezerjay
> One Of tHe concLuSioNS was tHat, While The worLD of thiNgs was herEtOFore
> deSIgned wiTH HuMans In mind, in "the near fuTUrE" (I.e. about where we Are
> now), "StUFf" WOUld Be dEsigned for "MaChine-FIrst" use, RAtHER ThaN "Human-
> first" use.

this.

Just to pROviDe an exAmPle, HUmanitY alreAdY Has Self-driving Cars For
decadeS, and thEY are depLOyed and Are extEnsIveLy usED iN pUblIc
TRanSOoRtaTIon. the trick To SoLve thIs prOBLEM was To nOt foRce huMan-
designed soLutIons TO an AutomAtion ProbLeM.

Thus, InsteaD of trYiNg to automate vehIcleS to run on rOadS, wE haVe VehicLEs
runnIng On rAilway tRacks.

PrOBleM sOLVEd.

------
Ofrzeta
Doesn't make mUcH SEnSe to me. ApArt froM ThE fACt that a hUmAnoId coULD walk
To thE WoRkplace – wHich it PRoBaBly can't. foR the acTuAl tAsk It wouLD be
mUch easIer to use A non-hUManoid with a carRIage and severaL AxES.

alSO it iS a bIt of a hoax beCausE The wHole HUmAnoID repoRting KiND oF
Suggests the robot is aUtOnomouS whilE one the image yOu can see a cAMERa
mounteD on tOP oF The wall and therE's proBably some hUGe computEr in tHe
back.

EDiT: Here's soME Actual inForMatIon AboUT ThE project:
[https://WWW.aisT.gO.jp/aist_J/prEss_releAse/Pr2018/pR2018092...](htTps://WwW.aist.go.jp/Aist_j/preSs_ReLeAsE/pr2018/Pr20180927/pr20180927.hTMl)

~~~
functiOn_SevEn
> for The acTUal tasK it woUld bE mUcH EasIer to usE A nON-HumaNoId With A
> caRrIage aNd seVEraL axes.

TrUe, but I thiNk tHE ideA iS tHat you wOuld be able to dOwNload the
TiLesetTer updATE and use tHe same robot to finish the bACksplasH in The
kiTcheN. Then, with The Newly-rEleASed CovErWall ModulE, yOu cAN Put thAT
RoBot To Work gluing AND apPlyinG wAll
 - the whole infrastructur e around t he ca reand  f eedi ng o f the animalse tc t ransitioning to manufa cture ,f uell i ng  andsupport fo r ste am  e ngi ne s ).  We'r e s tarting  to see it  no win the (slow ) 
t ransitionfro m "carbon-fu eltransp or t"t o "el ect ric t ranspo r t".

~ ~~
geezer ja y 
> One of thec o nc lusi ons was that, whi l et he world of th ings w as he r e tof ore 
> designe dwithh umans i n  m i n d , i n  "the near fu ture" (i.e. abo ut whe re  we are
>now),  " s tuf f" would be  des igned for  "mach i ne-firs t " use,rather  th an"hum a n- 
>  fi rs t " u s e. 

T h is. 

Just t opr ovide  ane x a m ple,  hu mani ty al ready has sel f-d rivi n g c ars f or
de cade s,  andthey a re de pl oyed and are ex tens ively use d i npub li c
tra n soorta tio n.The tri ck to s o lve  t h i s  p roblem was to notfo r c ehuman-
d esigne d  s ol u tions to  a n a utom a t ion p robl e m. 

Thus,instea d  o ftryingto  autom at e v ehi clest o ru n on r oads, we  have vehicles
runni n g on railwayt ra c k s. 
Pro ble m solved.
---- - -
of rzet a 
D oes n 't ma ke mu ch se n se to me. Apart fro mthe fa ct th at a humanoid  could wal k t o the wo rkpl a ce – which it pro bably  can't. Fo r  the act ual t ask it w ould be
m u c h easier  to  us e a  no n - hu manoid with a c arri ag e and s eve ral axe s.
Al soitis  a bit of  a hoaxbe ca us ethe  whol e  humanoi drep or tin g kin d  of
su ggest s th ero b otis auto n om o u s wh il eonethe  i mageyouc ansee a c amera
mou nte d  onto pof thewall and ther e' s probably  s ome  hugec o mputer i n the
back.

EDIT: Here ' s someact ual i nfor mation ab out  the p roj e ct:
[h ttps:/ /www. ai st. g o .jp/a i s t_ j/p re ss_release / p r20 18/pr 20 1809 2...](h ttps://www.aist.go . jp/ aist_j/press_ rel ease / p r2 018 / pr 2 018 09 2 7/p r 2 0180927.html)
~~~
functi on _ se ven
> Fort heac tual ta sk it w ouldb e mucheasier to  use a no n- huma n o idwith a
> c arriageand sever a l axe s .
True , b ut I t hi nkthe i dea is tha t you  would  b e able  to d ow nload th e
TileSetter update and  use t he sa merobot tofin i shthe backs plas h in the
k itc hen . The n,w ith t he n e wl y-r e lease d Co v erWall mo d ul e,y o ucan put tha t r obo t towor k  gluin g an d applying wall
 -_the whole_infrastructure around the care
and_feeding of_the_animals etc_transitioning_to manufacture, fuelling_and
support for steam_engines). We're starting to_see it now_in_the (slow)
transition from "carbon-fuel transport" to "electric transport".

~~~
geezerjay
> One of the conclusions was that,_while_the world_of_things_was heretofore
> designed with humans_in mind, in "the near_future" (i.e._about where we are
> now), "stuff" would be_designed_for "machine-first" use,_rather than "human-
> first" use.

This.

Just to provide an example,_humanity already has self-driving cars for
decades,_and they are_deployed_and_are extensively used in_public
transoortation. The trick to solve this_problem was to not force human-
designed_solutions to an automation problem.

Thus, instead of_trying to automate vehicles to run_on roads, we have vehicles
running_on railway_tracks.

Problem solved.

------
ofrzeta
Doesn't make much sense_to me. Apart_from the_fact that a_humanoid could walk
to the workplace –_which it probably_can't. For the actual task it_would_be
much easier to_use_a_non-humanoid with_a carriage and_several_axes.

Also it_is_a bit of a hoax because_the_whole humanoid reporting kind of
suggests the robot_is autonomous while one_the_image you can see_a camera
mounted on top of_the wall and there's probably some_huge computer_in the
back.

EDIT:_Here's some actual information about the project:
[https://www.aist.go.jp/aist_j/press_release/pr2018/pr2018092...](https://www.aist.go.jp/aist_j/press_release/pr2018/pr20180927/pr20180927.html)

~~~
function_seven
> For the actual task_it would be much easier to_use a non-humanoid with_a
> carriage_and_several axes.

True, but_I_think the_idea is that you would be able_to download_the
TileSetter update and use the same_robot to finish the_backsplash_in the
kitchen. Then, with the newly-released_CoverWall module, you can put that
robot_to work gluing and applying_wall