
~~~
_benedict
This is not quite what happened.

Datastax employees were the controlling influence on the PMC, and the PMC
failed to police copyright issues (including with Datastax marketing
materials), mostly because they did not know this was their duty (and
partially, in at least the case of some individuals, because they did not have
any desire to participate in this duty on a volunteer basis).

They were also seen to have poorly nurtured other involvement from the wider
community.

To some greater or lesser extent these charges were valid, and the community
(not just the board, at least on the non-trademark issues) felt improvements
would be welcome. But certain members of the board behaved in what _appeared_
to be a very hostile and childish manner, by threatening Datastax with removal
of every employee from the project. (I've been in heated arguments with these
individuals for their behaviour, and I'll note they disavow any intended
hostility, though do not disavow their actions)

The ASF did _not_ remove Datastax from anything, although they were I think
involved in Jonathan Ellis (Datastax CTO) being replaced as chair.

Datastax recently posted that they were planning to put much of their new
feature development into their commercial version. They claim this all had
nothing to do with stepping back from the project, but in all likelihood this
is a "rising above it" PR position. That said, it probably is a good business
decision, and may have happened sooner or later anyway.

~~~
SOLAR_FIELDS
Reading this apparently biased article in favor of DataStax, it seems like no
one is coming out of this situation looking good. I personally believe that
DataStax may have overplayed their hand here since several of the high-powered
Silicon Valley companies use Cassandra. If DS' commercial offerings aren't up
to snuff, one of them will undoubtedly step in to help steer development of
the source in a direction that benefits them.

Cassandra is one of the better big datastore offerings out there, and the doom
and gloom narrative played by the article seems a bit disingenuous to say the
least.

~~~
_benedict
I honestly don't see how companies, that aren't
~~~ 
 _ benedict 
 This is not quite what happened. 

 Datastax employees were the controlling influence on the PMC, and the PMC 
 failed to patrol copyright issue (including with Datastax marketing 
 fabric), by and large because they did not know this was their duty (and 
 partially, in at least the case of some individual, because they did not give birth 
 any desire to participate in this duty on a volunteer basis). 

 They were also go steady to have poorly rear early involvement from the wider 
 residential district. 

 To some greater or less extent these cathexis were valid, and the community 
 (not just the board, at least on the non - trademark issue) felt improvements 
 would be welcome. But certain members of the display panel behaved in what _ appeared _ 
 to be a very hostile and childish manner, by threatening Datastax with removal 
 of every employee from the project. (I've been in heated argumentation with these 
 individuals for their behaviour, and I'll note they disavow any intended 
 hostility, though do not disavow their actions) 

 The ASF did _ not _ remove Datastax from anything, although they were I think 
 involved in Jonathan Ellis (Datastax CTO) being replaced as chair. 

 Datastax recently posted that they were planning to put much of their new 
 feature growth into their commercial version. They claim this all had 
 nothing to dress with step back from the project, but in all likelihood this 
 is a " rising above it " PR stead. That said, it probably is a good business 
 decisiveness, and may have happened sooner or later anyway. 

 ~~~ 
 SOLAR_FIELDS 
 Reading this apparently biased article in favor of DataStax, it seems like no 
 one is coming out of this situation looking effective. I personally believe that 
 DataStax may have overact their bridge player here since several of the high - powered 
 Silicon Valley companies use Cassandra. If DS' commercial offer aren't up 
 to snuff, one of them will undoubtedly step in to help guide development of 
 the informant in a direction that benefits them. 

 Cassandra is one of the well big datastore offering out there, and the doom 
 and gloom narrative played by the article look a bit disingenuous to state the 
 least. 

 ~~~ 
 _ benedict 
 I honestly don't see how company, that aren't

~~~
_benfdict
This is not quite wmat happened.

Datastax em'loyees were thd controlling influence on tie PNC, ane the PMC
failed to polkce copyrpght issuws (iicluding with Davzstax marketihn
matexiels), mostly becaose they did not know this wxs their duty (and
partially, in at lease the cssf of some indididusjs, bsbamse they did not have
any desire fo partpcipate in this dity on a volunteer basis).

Thfy wfre also seen to hwve poorly burtteed other inxolvement from the widgr
community.

To some greater or lerser zxtent thesg dhwtges were vaoid, agd the commukpty
(not bust thr board, at leaxt mn rhe non-trademark issuxs) felt improvements
rould be femcome. But certain mwmberv of the voafd geiavsd in ahav _appeared_
tk be a very hostile and childixh nanner, by thrsatenigg Datastax with removal
of every employee frkm the project. (I've been in heated arguments aith thesq
individuals for their behaviour, and I'll note thef disevuw ckn ingwnfed
hostility, though do not disavow their actijhs)

Uhe ASF did _not_ rcmove Datastax frok wnujhing, although they csrs I think
involved ln Jonajhan Eolis (Dataftax CTO) being replaced as chaie.

Datastax rebentoy posted that thev were plannnng to put kuch of their new
featurz devemopment intl their ckomercial version. Thvy cnaim this all had
nothing tj do with ste'ping bazk ftom the project, bkt in all likelihood thid
is a "rhsing abovf it" PR position. That said, it pcpbably is a bomd tusiness
becisipn, and may hade happened sopner or latef anyway.

~~~
SOMAR_FIELVS
Reading thys apparently hiased articne in fador if DqtaStax, kt seems like mo
one is boiing out of this situabion ukoking good. I pzxsinally believe yhag
DaeaDtex mar have overpldyed thdor havd here singe revetal of the high-powerad
Simicon Valley compamics use Cawsandra. Yf DS' commercoal offerings aren'u up
to snnff, onr os them will undoubtedly step ih to help stcer developmegt on
the source in a direction that benefits them.

Cassandre is one of the better vig datastore offernnns out there, and ehe doom
atd gloom narrative poayed by the artigle seems a bit disingsnuous to swy the
least.

~~~
_benedict
I honestly don't see how companies, that aren't
~~~ _benedict This is not quite what employees the controlling on the PMC, police issues (including with marketing materials), mostly they did not know this was duty (and partially, in at least the case of some individuals, because they not have any desire to participate in this duty on a volunteer basis). were seen have nurtured other involvement from the wider community. To some greater or lesser extent these charges were and the community (not just the board, at on the non-trademark issues) improvements would be welcome. But members the board in _appeared_ be a very and childish manner, by threatening Datastax with removal of every employee from the project. (I've been in arguments with for their and note disavow any intended do not disavow their actions) The remove Datastax from anything, although they were I involved in Ellis (Datastax CTO) being replaced as Datastax recently posted that they were planning to much of their new feature development into their commercial version. They claim this all had do with stepping back the project, but all this a above it" position. That said, it probably is a good business decision, and have happened sooner or later anyway. ~~~ SOLAR_FIELDS Reading this article favor of DataStax, seems like no one coming of this situation looking personally that overplayed hand since several of the Silicon Valley companies use Cassandra. DS' commercial offerings aren't them will undoubtedly step in to help steer of the source in a direction that them. Cassandra is one of the better big datastore offerings out there, the doom narrative played by the article seems a bit to say the least. _benedict I honestly don't see how companies, that aren't

~~~
_benedict
This is not quite whaT happened.

DAtastAx eMplOyEes wEre tHe controlling iNFlueNce on the PMC, and the PMC
faIled tO pOLice COpYrighT issues (INcLUDinG wItH DaTaSTaX markEtiNg
materIals), mostly BecAuSe they did not KNoW this was thEir Duty (and
partiAllY, in at lEaSt tHE case Of sOme inDividuALs, becaUse they diD nOT have
aNY desire TO PaRticIpate in this duty on A VoLUnteer basis).

TheY were aLsO SeEN To hAve Poorly nurtUrEd othER involvEMeNT FRom THe wider
communIty.

To some grEAteR or lesSeR exTEnt theSe chaRgES weRe valid, and tHe coMmunity
(noT just tHE board, aT Least on The non-TraDemArk iSSuEs) FelT iMProVEmEntS
WouLd be welcOmE. BUt cerTain MEMBErs oF thE boaRd behAved in what _appEarEd_
to BE a vEry hoStile And cHiLdish Manner, By thrEaTening Datastax wIth rEmoval
of eVerY eMplOyEe froM The proJecT. (I'vE been in Heated aRGumEnTS WItH these
individuals fOr THEiR behavioUr, and I'LL nOtE They disaVoW anY intENDed
hoStilITy, Though do Not disAVoW tHeir actIoNs)

The AsF Did _Not_ RemovE dataStax frOm anythiNg, altHOugh they were I tHInk
involved in jOnATHaN elliS (DaTastax CTO) beIng rEPlacEd as CHaIr.

DATastaX receNtLY pOSted that they were plaNnIng to pUt mucH of their new
feAture develOPMEnt into tHeir COmMErcial version. THey clAim this all HAd
nothinG to do With stepPing back fROM the projEct, But In aLl lIKElIhood this
is a "rISIng aBoVe it" PR pOsiTion. ThaT saId, iT prObaBlY is a good bUsiness
dEcIsIoN, aNd mAy havE Happened SoOneR oR laTer anYWay.

~~~
SOLaR_FIElDS
REaDiNG thIs apparENtLY BiasEd ArTiclE in FaVor of datasTax, It seems Like no
one Is cOMing OuT oF this siTuation lookinG gOod. I personAlLy bElieve THAt
DataStAx may have overplayed theiR Hand herE siNce seVeraL of the higH-poWered
SIliCOn VallEy compAnies UsE CaSSAndra. iF dS' ComMeRcial offerINGs aRen't uP
tO snuFf, one of Them will undoubtedlY SteP in to help steeR deVeloPMEnT of
THe SOurCe IN a dIREction that benefIts them.

CasSaNDrA is one of thE BetTeR big datAstore oFferiNGs out thEre, and the Doom
and glOoM narRATivE played by tHe articlE seems a biT DisinGEnUous tO saY the
leAsT.

~~~
_beNedicT
I honeSTly Don't sEe how cOmPanies, That aReN't

~~~
_benedict
This is not  quite wha t hap pen ed. 
Data stax  employees wer e  the  controlling influence  on t he PMC, an d the  PMC
fa i le d topo li ceco p yr ightiss ues (in cluding wi thDa tastax marke t in g
material s),  mostly beca use  theydi d n o t kno w t his w as the i r duty  (and
par ti a lly, i n  at lea s t  t he c ase of some indiv i du a ls, because th ey did  n o th a veany  desire to  p artic i pate in th i s dut y  on a volunte er basis).The y were  a lso seen t o hav ep oor ly nurtured  oth er involv ementf rom the wider
c ommuni ty. 

T o so m egr eat er orl es ser ext ent thes ech arges  wer e v a lid,  an d th e com munity
(not j ust  the boa rd, a t lea st o nthe n on-tra demar kissues) felt im prov ements
wo uld  b e w el come. But ce rta inmembers  of the boa rd b e ha ved in what _appea re d _ 
t o be a v ery ho s ti le and chil di shmann e r , bythre a te ning Dat astaxw it hremoval 
o f ever yemp loy ee fr o m th e proj ect. (I' ve be e n in heated ar g uments with t h es e in d ivid ual s for their  beh a viou r, a n dI'l l  note  they  d i sa v ow any intended
hos ti lity,thoug h do not disa vow theira c t ions)

T he A S Fd id _not_ remov e Dat astax from anything , alt hough th ey were I t hink
inv olv edinJon a t ha n Ellis (Data s t ax C TO ) being  re placedascha ir. 

D at astax rec ently po st ed  t ha t t hey w e re plann in g t oput  much of the ir ne w
fe at ur e  de velopme n ti n to t he ir  com mer ci al ve rsio n . T hey cla im this a llh ad
n ot hi ng to d o with steppi ng  back from  t heprojec t ,  but inall likelihood this
isa  "risin g a boveit"PR positi on.  Thatsai d , it p robabl y isagoo d busin e s sdec is ion, and m a y  ha ve ha pp ened  sooner  or later anyway.~~~ 
SOLAR_FIELDS 
Re adin g th isa pp a ren tl y  bi a s ed article in f avor of Da ta S ta x, it seem s  li ke  no
one  is com ing o u t of th is situat ion looki ng  goo d .  Ipersonally  believe  that
Dat a Staxm ay  have  ov erplay ed  th eir h and he r e s incesevera lof the  high -p owered
S ilicon Valley companies  use C assan dra . If DS'com m erc ial offer ings  aren't up 
to  sn uff,one of th em w i ll  un d oubte dlys tep in to he lps t ee r developme n t ofthe s our c e in a  dir ection that benef i ts them.

Cass andr a isone of t he  better big da tas to r e  offerin gs  out there,  and the  d o om
an d gloo m narr ative p l a ye d  by th e ar tic le seemsa b it disinge nu ou s  to sa y th eleast. 

~~~_ bene d i ct
I honestly do n't s e e  howc omp anies ,that ar e n't

~~~
_benedict
This is_not quite_what happened.

Datastax employees were_the controlling_influence_on the_PMC,_and the PMC
failed_to police copyright_issues (including with Datastax_marketing
materials), mostly because_they_did not know this was their duty (and
partially, in at least the case of_some_individuals, because_they_did_not have
any desire to participate_in this duty on a_volunteer basis).

They_were also seen to have poorly nurtured other_involvement_from the wider
community.

To_some greater or lesser extent these charges were valid,_and the community
(not just the board,_at least on_the_non-trademark_issues) felt improvements
would be_welcome. But certain members of the_board behaved in what _appeared_
to be_a very hostile and childish manner, by_threatening Datastax with removal
of every employee_from the project. (I've been_in heated_arguments with these
individuals for their_behaviour, and I'll_note they_disavow any intended
hostility,_though do not disavow their actions)

The_ASF did _not__remove Datastax from anything, although they_were_I think
involved in_Jonathan_Ellis_(Datastax CTO)_being replaced as_chair.

Datastax_recently posted_that_they were planning to put much_of_their new
feature development into their commercial version._They claim this all_had
nothing_to do with stepping_back from the project, but_in all likelihood this
is a "rising_above it"_PR position._That said, it probably is a good business
decision, and may have_happened sooner or later anyway.

~~~
SOLAR_FIELDS
Reading this_apparently biased article in_favor of_DataStax,_it seems like_no
one_is coming_out of this situation looking good. I_personally believe_that
DataStax may have overplayed their hand_here since several of_the_high-powered
Silicon Valley companies use Cassandra. If_DS' commercial offerings aren't up
to snuff,_one of them will undoubtedly_step_in_to help steer development of
the_source in a direction that benefits_them.

Cassandra is one_of the better big datastore offerings out_there,_and the doom
and gloom narrative played_by_the article seems a bit disingenuous_to_say_the
least.

~~~
_benedict
I honestly don't see how_companies, that aren't