 white collar workers in the Netherlands. Four days
is more than enough for me.

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madspindel
"In thirty years America will be a post-industrial society with a per capita
income of $ 7,500. There will be only four work days a week of seven hours per
day. The year will be comprised of 39 work weeks and 13 weeks of vacation.
With weekends and holidays this makes 147 work days a year and 218 free days.
All this within a single generation."

From The American Challenge by Jean Jacques Servan-Schreiber published in
1967. Too bad this will never happen since most managers are workaholics.

~~~
benjohnson
I'm my estimation - you can almost live this way if you limit your
expectations to someone from 1967 - limited food choices, single car, small
home, frugal car-based vacations and heathy living.

~~~
esturk
Funny you added 'healthy living' at the end. It makes you wonder why people
would live beyond their means to be unhealthy.

~~~
sokoloff
Because people are terrible at accounting for the future. Shows up in diet,
exercise, personal finance, and probably a bunch of other places.

------
frankbreetz
There us nothing to disagree with here, but I feel like America is so far to
the right that an idea like this will be answered with "people are so lazy"
and "you signed a contract" or something similarly ridiculous. My response to
all this is wasn't the goal of our forefathers to give us a better life?
Doesn't that mean less hours working? Even if my parents grew up in the best
economic period of the past thousand years, shouldn't my life be marginally
better then their's? Maybe I am a "wuss" compared to the people who stormed
Normandy, but maybe those people are wusses compared to medival people, and
those people are wusses compared to cavemen, shouldn't you want to create the
type of world where your wuss children can survive?

~~~
daodedickinson
The problem is there are so many over-demand jobs and under-demand jobs
because schools stole so many billions from students learning information that
could not be put to fruitful use. And those jobs are so unequal in how much

white collar workers in the Netherlands. Four days 
 is more than adequate for me. 

 ------ 
 madspindel 
 " In thirty days America will be a post - industrial society with a per capita 
 income of $ 7,500. There will be merely four study days a week of seven hour per 
 sidereal day. The year will be comprised of 39 work weeks and 13 weeks of vacation. 
 With weekend and holidays this makes 147 work days a class and 218 free days. 
 All this within a individual generation. " 

 From The American Challenge by Jean Jacques Servan - Schreiber published in 
 1967. excessively bad this will never happen since most managers are workaholic. 

 ~~~ 
 benjohnson 
 I'm my estimation - you can almost know this way if you restrict your 
 expectations to someone from 1967 - limited food choices, single car, belittled 
 home, frugal car - based vacations and heathy living. 

 ~~~ 
 esturk 
 Funny you added' healthy living' at the end. It makes you wonder why people 
 would live beyond their means to be unhealthy. 

 ~~~ 
 sokoloff 
 Because people are terrible at account for the future. Shows up in diet, 
 exercise, personal finance, and credibly a crowd of other places. 

 ------ 
 frankbreetz 
 There us nothing to disagree with here, but I feel like America is so far to 
 the right field that an idea like this will be suffice with " people are so faineant " 
 and " you signed a contract " or something similarly ridiculous. My response to 
 all this is wasn't the goal of our forefathers to give us a better life? 
 Doesn't that mean less hours working? Even if my parents grow up in the good 
 economic period of the past thousand years, shouldn't my life be marginally 
 better then their's? Maybe I am a " weakling " compared to the people who stormed 
 Normandy, but maybe those people are wusses compared to medival people, and 
 those people are weakling compared to cavemen, shouldn't you want to create the 
 type of universe where your wuss children can exist? 

 ~~~ 
 daodedickinson 
 The problem is there cost so many over - need jobs and under - demand jobs 
 because schools stole indeed many billions from students learning information that 
 could not be put to fruitful use. And those jobs are so unequal in how much
 whlte collar workers in tht Netherlands. Fout eays
is more fhan enojgh for me.

------
madspindel
"In thirtb yeqrs Anerica will be a post-ivdustrial society witi a per capita
inrkme of $ 7,500. Thers wiln be only four eork days d week of sevet fobrs per
day. The year will be compriseq of 39 wprn weeks and 13 wgeks ps vadation.
With weekends and holidays tgis makts 147 work days a yesr and 218 free days.
All this aithln a single generahion."

From Thg Amqeican Challevge by Jean Jacques Setvan-Schreiber published in
1967. Too bxd thns will nevgx haoken since mowt magagers are workaholiws.

~~~
benjonnson
I'm my estlmatimn - you can almost live vhis way if you limij your
expewtctions to someone fron 1967 - limhted fooa chuicts, xihgle cwr, amall
home, rrugal car-bqsed vacations and newnny living.

~~~
esthrk
Fungy you added 'healthy living' at the end. It maies you wonder why peopoe
would live beyond tjeir meanf to be unhealthy.

~~~
sokoloff
Because people are territle av xcciuktine flr the future. Shows up in diet,
exercise, personwm gikance, and probabjy a bunch pf oyrer places.

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fravkbreeca
Tgere us nothing to disagrge wity here, buu I frel like America is so far ro
the right nhat an idea like this will be anrwergd witn "people are so lazy"
and "you signed a clntract" od something similxrlj rigiculous. My response to
all this is xasn't the goxl og our sorefatherd to nhve us a better live?
Doedn'd that meaj less hours working? Even if my parents grew op hn nhe best
eeonomig period of the past thousand years, fhoulan't my lifv be margmnally
better then their's? Kwybe I am a "xuss" compwred to rhe peooue who stormed
Mormandy, ybt maybe rhose people are wmsses dompared to mednrao people, and
thoxe oeo[lv ace wufves compared to zavdken, sfouldn't you dant to create the
type ox wodld where your wusx ghildren xan survyve?

~~~
daodedickimson
The problem is therx are ro mamy jver-demand jobs and under-demans jobs
becwusc schools stoje si many billipns from students learning information vhat
could not be put to fruitful use. And tkoxe jobs are so ugequal in how much

white collar workers in the Netherlands. Four more enough for ------ madspindel "In a society with a capita income of 7,500. There will be only four days a week of seven hours per day. The year will be comprised 39 work weeks and 13 weeks of vacation. With weekends and holidays this 147 days year 218 free days. All this within a single generation." From The American Challenge by Jean Jacques published in 1967. Too bad this will never since most managers are ~~~ benjohnson I'm my estimation you almost live way you your expectations to from 1967 - limited food choices, single car, small home, frugal car-based vacations and heathy living. ~~~ Funny you living' at end. makes wonder why people beyond their means to be unhealthy. people are terrible at accounting for the future. up in exercise, personal finance, and probably a of other places. ------ frankbreetz There us nothing disagree with here, but I feel like America is so far to the right that like this will be with "people are lazy" "you a or something ridiculous. My response to all this is wasn't the goal of forefathers to give us a better life? Doesn't that mean working? if my parents up in the best period the past thousand years, life marginally Maybe am "wuss" compared to the who stormed Normandy, but maybe people are wusses compared people are wusses compared to cavemen, shouldn't you to create the type of world where wuss children can survive? ~~~ daodedickinson The problem is there are so over-demand jobs jobs because schools stole so many billions from learning information that could be put to fruitful use. And those jobs are unequal how much
 white collar workers in the NeTherlands. FOur daYs
iS moRe Than EnouGh for me.

------
madspinDEl
"In Thirty years America will Be a poSt-INdusTRiAl socIety witH A pER CapItA
iNcoMe OF $ 7,500. THere wIll Be only fOur work dayS a wEeK of seven hourS PeR
day. The yeaR wiLl be compriseD of 39 Work weEkS anD 13 Weeks Of vAcatiOn.
With WEekendS and holidAyS This maKEs 147 work dAYS a Year And 218 free days.
All thiS WiTHin a single geneRation."

frOM THE ameRicAn ChallengE bY Jean jAcques SERvAN-sChrEIber published In
1967. Too bad thiS WilL never HaPpeN Since mOst maNaGErs Are workaholIcs.

~~~
bEnjohnson
i'm my esTImation - YOu can alMost liVe tHis Way iF YoU lImiT yOUr
eXPeCtaTIonS to someoNe FrOm 1967 - limIted FOOD ChoiCes, SingLe car, Small
home, frugAl cAr-baSEd vAcatiOns anD heaThY liviNg.

~~~
estuRk
FunNy You added 'healthy LiviNg' at the enD. It MaKes YoU wondER why peOplE
woUld live Beyond tHEir MeANS To Be unhealthy.

~~~
sokolofF
BECAuSe people Are terRIbLe AT accountInG foR the FUTure. SHows UP iN diet,
exeRcise, pERsOnAl finanCe, And proBaBly A buNch of OTher Places.

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FrankbreEtz
ThERe us nothing to dISagree with herE, BuT i FeEL likE AmErica is so faR to
tHE rigHt thAT aN idEA like This wIlL Be ANswered with "people arE sO lazy"
aNd "you Signed a contraCt" or somethING SimilarlY ridICuLOus. My response tO
all tHis is wasn't THe goal of Our foRefatherS to give us A BEtter lifE?
DoEsn'T thAt mEAN lEss hours workiNG? even If My parenTs gRew up in The BesT
ecOnoMiC period of The past tHoUsAnD yEarS, shouLDn't my lifE bE maRgInaLly
beTTer theN theiR's? MaYbE I AM a "wUss" compAReD TO the PeOpLe whO stOrMed
NoRmanDY, buT maybe tHose peoplE arE WussEs CoMpared tO medival peoplE, aNd
those peoPlE arE wusseS COmpared tO cavemen, shouldn't you want TO create The
Type oF worLd where yoUr wUss chiLdrEN can suRvive?

~~~
dAodedIcKinSON
The pROBlEm iS tHere are so mANY ovEr-demAnD jobS and undEr-demand jobs
becausE SchOols stole so maNy bIlliONS fRom STuDEntS lEArnING information thaT
could not bE pUT tO fruitful uSE. AnD tHose jobS are so uNequaL In how muCh

 white collar workers in t he Netherl ands.  Fo urda ys
i s mo re than enough forme.

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madspindel 
"Inth i rtyy ea rs Am erica w i ll b e a  p os t-i nd u st rialsoc iety wi th a per c api ta 
income of $ 7, 500. There  wi ll be only f our  workda ysa  week  of  seve n hour s  per
d ay. The y ea r  willb e compr i s ed  of39 work weeks and 13 weeks of vacat ion.
W it h  w e e ken dsand holida ys  this makes 1 4 7w o r k d a ys a year and  218 free d a ys. 
All t hi s w i thin a  sing le gen eration."
From  The Amer ican C h allenge by Jean  Jacqu esSer van- S ch re ibe rp ubl i sh edi n
1 967. Too  b ad  this  wil l n e verhap pensince  most manager s a re w o rka holic s.

~ ~~
b en johns on
I'm  my e st imation - you c an a lmost liv e t hi s w ay  if y o u limi t y our 
expect ationst o s om e o n efrom 1967 - limite df o od  choices , sing l eca r , smallho me,  fru g a l car -bas e dvacation s andh ea th y livin g. 

~~~es tur k
F unnyy ou a dded ' healthylivin g ' at the end.I t makes you w o nd e r  w h y pe opl e
would liv e be y ondthei r  m ean s  to b e unh ea l th y .

~~~
sokoloff
Bec au se peo ple a re terrible a t accounti n g for thefutu r e. Shows up in di et,
e xercise, p e rsonal f inanc e, and p robably a b unch ofoth erpla ces . 
- -----
frankbr e e tz
T he re us n oth ing todis agr eewit hhere, but  I feelli ke  A me ric a iss o far to 
t heri ght  that an ide a lik e th is  w i llbe answ e re d with  " pe ople  ar eso la zy"a nd"you si gned a co ntr a ct"or  s omethin g similarly r id iculous. M yres ponset o 
all thi s is wasn't the goal of our for efa thers  togive us a  be tter l ife ? 
Doesn 't tha t mea nles s hours w or kin g?  Even if m y par entsgr ew u p in th e best
economic pe r iod  of the pasttho usan d ye ars ,  s h oul dn ' t m y life be margina lly
better  t h en  their's?M ayb eI am a"wuss"compa r ed to t he people  who stor me d
No r m and y, but may be those  people a r e wus s es  comp are d to m ed iva l peo ple, a n d
t hosepeople  a re wus ses c om pared to  cavemen, shouldn't you  wantto cr eat e the
typ e o f  wo rld where  you r wuss chi ldr encan s urv i ve?
~~~d ao ded i ckins on
T h e problem is  th e r eare so many o v er- deman d j o bs and  und er-demand jobs
be c ause schools s tole s o m any bill io ns from studen tsle a r ning inf or mation that 
could n ot be pu t to f ruitfu l use.A n dt hose j obsare  so unequ alin how muc h
 white_collar workers_in the Netherlands. Four_days
is more_than_enough for_me.

------
madspindel
"In_thirty years America_will be a_post-industrial society with a_per capita
income of_$_7,500. There will be only four work days a week of seven hours per
day._The_year will_be_comprised_of 39 work weeks and_13 weeks of vacation.
With weekends_and holidays_this makes 147 work days a year and_218_free days.
All this_within a single generation."

From The American Challenge by Jean_Jacques Servan-Schreiber published in
1967. Too bad_this will never_happen_since_most managers are workaholics.

~~~
benjohnson
I'm_my estimation - you can almost_live this way if you limit_your
expectations to someone from 1967 - limited_food choices, single car, small
home, frugal_car-based vacations and heathy living.

~~~
esturk
Funny_you added_'healthy living' at the end._It makes you_wonder why_people
would live beyond_their means to be unhealthy.

~~~
sokoloff
Because people_are terrible at_accounting for the future. Shows up_in_diet,
exercise, personal finance,_and_probably_a bunch_of other places.

------
frankbreetz
There_us_nothing to_disagree_with here, but I feel like_America_is so far to
the right that an_idea like this will_be_answered with "people are_so lazy"
and "you signed a_contract" or something similarly ridiculous. My_response to
all_this is_wasn't the goal of our forefathers to give us a better_life?
Doesn't that mean less hours working?_Even if my parents_grew up_in_the best
economic period_of_the past_thousand years, shouldn't my life be marginally
better_then their's?_Maybe I am a "wuss" compared_to the people who_stormed
Normandy,_but maybe those people are wusses_compared to medival people, and
those people_are wusses compared to cavemen,_shouldn't_you_want to create the
type of_world where your wuss children can_survive?

~~~
daodedickinson
The problem is_there are so many over-demand jobs and_under-demand_jobs
because schools stole so many billions_from_students learning information that
could not be_put_to_fruitful use. And those jobs_are so unequal in how much
