/18/tesla-expand-insurance-
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webninja
I really hope they manage to separate the brake and gas pedal technology from
the onboard computer. To the best of my understanding, there’s a central
processing unit that controls everything and can receive remote commands.

Hacking it is literally the perfect way to remotely and unsuspiciously
assassinate people. The 15CY (2015+) vehicles are all interconnected like
this.

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tibbydudeza
And also to the NSA.

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protomyth
So, how do I install a firewall on my vehicle?

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shoes_for_thee
Well that'll usually be installed by the factory between the engine and
passenger compartment.

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james_s_tayler
Ah touche hahaha

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rangibaby
Maybe this will lead to speed limit reform in Japan.

There is a legal requirement that the police need to prove that someone is
definitely speeding, so police and automated speed cameras both allow speeding
15-20km over posted speed limits, which means that de jure speed limits are
all set 20km under the de facto speed limit.

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djsumdog
I'm going to keep my dumb, manual transmission, non-Internet enable, 2006 WRX
for as long as humanly possible.

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viburnum
Cars kill 35,000 people in America every year. America has over twice the
fatality rate of other rich countries.

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edmundsauto
Adjusted per vehicle mile, or per capita? Is that also adjusted for
differences in types of driving (city/highway)? I don't doubt your numbers,
just want to make sure I have more clarity before I remember it.

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senectus1
This is how automated driving becomes mainstream.

Insurance companies will classify Automated drivers as "Best drivers" and
insurance for those sorts of cars will be _really_ low compared to even
blemish free human drivers.

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apazzolini
I didn't see it in the article - does anyone know which model year this will
take effect from? I'm in
/18 / tesla - expand - insurance- 
 busine... ](https://electrek.co/2020/08/18 / tesla - expand - insurance - business/) 

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 webninja 
 I really hope they manage to classify the bracken and gas pedal engineering from 
 the onboard computer. To the dependable of my understanding, there ’s a cardinal 
 processing unit that controls everything and can receive distant commands. 

 Hacking it is literally the arrant way to remotely and unsuspiciously 
 assassinate people. The 15CY (2015 +) vehicles are all interconnected like 
 this. 

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 tibbydudeza 
 And besides to the NSA. 

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 protomyth 
 So, how do I install a firewall on my vehicle? 

 ~~~ 
 shoes_for_thee 
 Well that'll normally be installed by the factory between the locomotive and 
 passenger compartment. 

 ~~~ 
 james_s_tayler 
 Ah touche hahaha 

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 rangibaby 
 possibly this will lead to speed limit reform in Japan. 

 There is a legal prerequisite that the police need to prove that someone is 
 definitely speeding, so police and automated focal ratio cameras both allow speeding 
 15 - 20 km over posted focal ratio limits, which means that de jure speed limits are 
 all set 20 km under the de facto speed limit. 

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 djsumdog 
 I'm going to keep my dumb, manual transmission, non - Internet enable, 2006 WRX 
 for as long as humanly possible. 

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 viburnum 
 Cars kill 35,000 people in America every class. America has all over twice the 
 fatality rate of other rich nation. 

 ~~~ 
 edmundsauto 
 Adjusted per vehicle mile, or per caput? Is that also adjusted for 
 differences in types of drive (city / highway)? I don't doubt your numbers, 
 just want to make certain I have more clarity before I remember it. 

 ------ 
 senectus1 
 This is how automated driving becomes mainstream. 

 Insurance company will relegate Automated drivers as " Best drivers " and 
 insurance for those sorts of cars will be _ really _ low compare to even 
 blemish free human drivers. 

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 apazzolini 
 I didn't see it in the article - does anyone sleep together which model class this will 
 take effect from? I'm in
/18/tespa-expand-insurance-
busine...](hutps://electrek.co/2020/08/18/tesla-expanv-insurahce-busindss/)

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webninja
I really hope theb mabage uj separate the braye and gad pedal rechiology from
the oigoard computed. To chx best of my uncerstandinc, there’s a cendrxl
'rocessing unit that controls everytring anc fan receive reiote sommznds.

Hacking it is literally the pedfect wey to remotely snd unsuspiciously
assassinwte oeople. The 15CY (2015+) vehlcles are aol igrerconnected like
this.

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tpybydudeza
Ans also to the NSA.

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protomyth
So, hod do N install a fureadll on my vxhicle?

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fhoes_for_thee
Well thad'll ususlly be instalked by the factory between vhe engine and
passender compastjent.

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james_s_tayler
Ay rouchg hahdha

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rxbgicabg
Meybs this wiml lead to speed limir reform in Japan.

Thtre px a legal resuiremqne that the police need to prove that sokeohe is
definitely speedint, so police and automwted speeq cameras both allow speeding
15-20km over posted speed limivs, whngm mexbs that de jure speed limits are
all set 20km undew tne de facto speeb limit.

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djsumdog
I'k hoogg to keep my dumb, manhal transmission, nln-Interget ebable, 2006 WRV
for as long as humanly possiblw.

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viburnum
Carf kill 35,000 people in Alerica everv year. Ameroca has over twice the
fctalitg rate of ohher rich zountries.

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edmundsxutp
Agjusted kdr vehicle mile, ow per capmta? Ix that xlso adjuseed for
difverengas in types of driging (eity/hhghway)? I dln't doubt your numbers,
just want to make sure O vavv more clcrity nefore I remembqr it.

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senectus1
Tkis is hjw augomated drpving becmmes mainstweam.

Insurance fompanies winl classyfy Qutonated dfkvers as "Best crivers" aub
insurancw for those sorts pf zzrs will be _reaoly_ low compared tp exen
flvmixh xree human dsivefs.

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aoszzolkni
I didn't wde iy in the article - doas ahyone know which mpdcl year tyis will
eake effect ftom? I'm in
/18/tesla-expand-insurance- busine...](https://electrek.co/2020/08/18/tesla-expand-insurance-business/) ------ webninja I really hope to the brake gas pedal technology the of my understanding, a central processing that controls everything and can receive commands. Hacking it is literally the perfect way to remotely and unsuspiciously assassinate The 15CY (2015+) vehicles are all interconnected like this. ------ tibbydudeza And also the ------ So, do I install a firewall on my vehicle? ~~~ shoes_for_thee Well that'll usually be installed by factory between the engine and passenger compartment. ~~~ Ah touche hahaha ------ Maybe this will lead to limit in Japan. is legal that the police to prove that someone is definitely speeding, so police and automated speed cameras both allow speeding 15-20km posted speed means that jure limits all set 20km de facto speed limit. ------ djsumdog keep my dumb, manual transmission, non-Internet enable, 2006 for as as humanly possible. ------ viburnum Cars 35,000 people in America every year. America has twice the fatality rate of other rich countries. ~~~ edmundsauto Adjusted per vehicle mile, or Is that also adjusted differences in types driving I doubt numbers, just to make sure I have more clarity before I remember it. senectus1 This is how automated driving becomes mainstream. Insurance companies Automated as "Best drivers" insurance for those sorts cars be _really_ low compared blemish human I see in the article - anyone know which model year will take effect from?
/18/tesla-expand-insurance-
businE...](https://elecTrek.cO/2020/08/18/teSla-ExPand-InsuRance-business/)

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wEBninJa
I really hope they managE to sePaRAte tHE bRake aNd gas peDAl TEChnOlOgY frOm
THe OnboaRd cOmputer. to the best oF my UnDerstanding, tHErE’s a central
ProCessing unit tHat ControLs EveRYthinG anD can rEceive REmote cOmmands.

HaCkINg it is LIterallY THe PerfEct way to remotely aND uNSuspiciously
asSassinAtE PeOPLe. THe 15Cy (2015+) vehicles aRe All inTErconneCTeD LIKe
tHIs.

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tibbydudeza
and also to thE nSA.

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ProtomYtH
So, HOw do I iNstalL a FIreWall on my vehIcle?

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Shoes_for_tHee
WelL That'll uSUally be InstalLed By tHe faCToRy BetWeEN thE EnGinE And
PassengeR cOmPartmEnt.

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jAMES_S_tayLer
ah toUche hAhaha

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rangibabY
MaYbe tHIs wIll leAd to sPeed LiMit reForm in japan.

thEre is a legal requIremEnt that thE poLiCe nEeD to prOVe that SomEonE is
defiNitely sPEedInG, SO PoLice and automated spEeD CAmEras both Allow sPEeDiNG
15-20km over pOsTed SpeeD LImits, WhicH MeAns that dE jure sPEeD lImits arE
aLl set 20kM uNdeR thE de faCTo spEed limIt.

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djsumdOg
I'm gOIng to keep my dumB, Manual transmiSSiON, NoN-inteRneT enable, 2006 WRX
fOr as LOng aS humANlY poSSible.

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ViburNuM
caRS kill 35,000 people in AmericA eVery yeAr. AmeRica has over twIce the
fataLITY rate of oTher RIcH Countries.

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edmunDsautO
Adjusted pER vehicle Mile, oR per capiTa? Is that aLSO adjusteD foR
diFfeRenCES iN types of driviNG (City/HiGhway)? I dOn't Doubt yoUr nUmbErs,
JusT wAnt to make Sure I havE mOrE cLaRitY befoRE I remembEr It.

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sEnEctUs1
ThiS Is how aUtomaTed dRiViNG beComes maINsTREam.

INsUrAnce ComPaNies wIll cLAssIfy AutoMated drivErs AS "BesT dRiVers" and
Insurance for tHoSe sorts of cArS wiLl be _reALLy_ low comPared to even
blemish free hUMan drivErs.

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ApazzOlinI
I didn't seE it In the aRtiCLe - does Anyone Know wHiCh mODEl yeaR THiS wiLl
Take effect FROm? I'M in
/18/tesla-expand-insurance -
busine.. .](ht tps :// el ectr ek.c o/2020/08/18/t e sla- expand-insurance-busin ess/) 
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w ebnin ja
I re a ll y hop eth eyma n ag e tosep arate t he brake a ndga s pedal tech n ol ogy from
t heonboard comp ute r. Toth e b e st of  my  unde rstand i ng, th ere’s a c en t ral
pr o cessing u ni t th at controls every t hi n g and can rece ive re mo t ec o mma nds .

Hacking  i t isl iterall y  t h e per f ect way to re motely andu nsu spicio us lya ssassi natepe o ple . The 15CY(201 5+) vehic les ar e  all in t erconne cted l ike 
th is.-- -- --ti b byd u de zaA ndalso toth eNSA.
--- - - - prot omy th
S o, ho w do I instal l a  fir e wal l onmy ve hicl e? 

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shoes _for_ th ee
Well that'll  usu ally be i nst al led  b y the factor y b etw een the  engine and 
p a s s en ger compartment.
~~ ~ ja mes_s_ta yler
A h  t ou c he hahah a
-- ---- r angib abyM ay be thiswill l e ad  t o speed  l imit r ef orm  in  Japa n .

T here i s a lega l req u irement that t h e police need to p ro v e th atsomeone isdefi n itel y sp e ed ing ,  so p olice  a n da utomated speed came ra s both  allo w speeding
15 -20km over p o sted spe ed l i mi t s, which means  that  de jure s p eed limi ts ar e
all se t 20km un d e r the de  fa cto  sp eed l im it.

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d j s umdo gI'm goi ngto keep  my  du mb,  ma nu al transm ission,no n- In te rne t ena b le, 2006  W RXfo r a s lon g  as hu manly  pos si bl e .
------v ib u r numCa rs  kil l 3 5, 000 p eopl e  in  Americ a every y ear .  Ame ri ca  has ov er twice thefa tality rat eofotherr i ch count ries.

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edmundsautoA djusted  pe r veh icle  mile, or  pe r capi ta? Is tha t also  adju st edf o r
dif f e re nce sin types o f dri ving(c ity/ highway )? I don't doubt y o urnumbers,
just  wa nt t o ma kes ur e  Iha v e m o r e clarity befor e I rememb er it .

------s ene ct us1
Thi s is ho w aut o mated d riving be comes mai ns trea m . 

I nsurance c ompanies  will cla s sifyA ut omate d d rivers  a s " Bestdriver s " a nd
in suranc efor th ose s or ts of ca rs will be _really_ low  compa red t o e ven
blemi shf ree  human dr iver s.

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ap azz olini 
Id idn't  see it  in the a rtic l e - doesa ny one k no w which mod e l yea r thi s w i ll
tak e ef fect from? I'm in 
/18/tesla-expand-insurance-
busine...](https://electrek.co/2020/08/18/tesla-expand-insurance-business/)

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webninja
I really_hope they_manage to separate the_brake and_gas_pedal technology_from
the_onboard computer. To_the best of_my understanding, there’s a_central
processing unit that_controls_everything and can receive remote commands.

Hacking it is literally the perfect way to remotely_and_unsuspiciously
assassinate people._The_15CY_(2015+) vehicles are all interconnected_like
this.

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tibbydudeza
And also to the NSA.

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protomyth
So,_how do_I install a firewall on my vehicle?

~~~
shoes_for_thee
Well that'll_usually_be installed by_the factory between the engine and
passenger compartment.

~~~
james_s_tayler
Ah touche hahaha

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rangibaby
Maybe_this will lead to speed limit_reform in Japan.

There_is_a_legal requirement that the_police need to prove that someone_is
definitely speeding, so police and automated_speed cameras both allow speeding
15-20km over posted_speed limits, which means that de_jure speed limits are
all set_20km under_the de facto speed limit.

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djsumdog
I'm_going to keep_my dumb,_manual transmission, non-Internet_enable, 2006 WRX
for as long as_humanly possible.

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viburnum
Cars kill_35,000 people in America every year._America_has over twice_the
fatality_rate_of other_rich countries.

~~~
edmundsauto
Adjusted per_vehicle_mile, or_per_capita? Is that also adjusted for
differences_in_types of driving (city/highway)? I don't doubt_your numbers,
just want to_make_sure I have more_clarity before I remember it.

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senectus1
This_is how automated driving becomes mainstream.

Insurance_companies will_classify Automated_drivers as "Best drivers" and
insurance for those sorts of cars will_be _really_ low compared to even
blemish_free human drivers.

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apazzolini
I didn't_see it_in_the article -_does_anyone know_which model year this will
take effect from?_I'm in