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As tangents go this is an important one. Structural issues are strangling
European growth and employment. Reform in France alone would make a big
difference, and help pave the way for truly screwed up economies like Italy
and Spain.

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legulere
For me this can be seen as a symptom of the problem with technology companies
today: If you're too small you won't be able to survive. So everyone gets
bought so that they don't die.

In the end you have a few big companies splitting up the market under
themselves and the hurdles for a market entry are too high.

An even better example for this are semiconductor foundries.

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unfocused
I wonder what this means for Alcatel-Lucent here in Ottawa. I briefly worked
there in 2001 right after Alcatel bought out Newbridge. There is a strong
networking division there designing some of those large backbone "routers".

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f00fc0d3
Beginning of the end of Nokia Networks. Looks like they dont have any clue
what to do. ALU enodeb is crap, Nokia ancient Flexi is crap and their new
stuff will be crap if they will manage to sell this to somebody :-)

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jackbravo
Alcatel is one of the main companies that sells FirefoxOS phones here in
México. I wonder if it is the same in other countries. And I wonder if this
will affect FirefoxOS in the long run? Will they switch to Windows?

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grok2
Alcatel is not in the phone handset business anymore -- it is just the name
that is being used by other manufacturers (perhaps TCL).

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uberneo
Alcatel bought Lucent.. Microsoft bought Nokia.. now Nokia bought Alcatel-
Lucent.. All mixed up

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liotier
Only two major mobile telecom equipment manufacturers left. Great news for
Huawei!

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tiernano
That was quick... there there rumors just last week...

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ghshephard
Rumors typically only become public as the deal is closing, and more people

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 As tangents go this is an important one. Structural topic are strangle 
 European growth and employment. Reform in France alone would cause a big 
 difference, and help oneself pave the way for truly sleep together up economies like Italy 
 and Spain. 

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 legulere 
 For me this can be seen as a symptom of the trouble with technology companies 
 today: If you're too small you won't be able to exist. So everyone gets 
 bought so that they don't die. 

 In the end you have a few large companies splitting up the market under 
 themselves and the vault for a market entry are too eminent. 

 An even better example for this are semiconductor foundries. 

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 unfocused 
 I wonder what this means for Alcatel - Lucent here in Ottawa. I concisely worked 
 there in 2001 right after Alcatel bought out Newbridge. There is a strong 
 networking division there design some of those large backbone " routers ". 

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 f00fc0d3 
 Beginning of the end of Nokia Networks. Looks like they do nt have any clue 
 what to do. ALU enodeb is crap, Nokia ancient Flexi is crap and their fresh 
 stuff will be crap if they will oversee to betray this to somebody :-) 

 ------ 
 jackbravo 
 Alcatel is one of the main companies that sell FirefoxOS phones here in 
 México. I wonder if it is the same in other countries. And I wonder if this 
 will involve FirefoxOS in the long run? Will they switch to Windows? 

 ~~~ 
 grok2 
 Alcatel is not in the phone handset business anymore -- it is just the name 
 that is being use by other manufacturers (perhaps TCL). 

 ------ 
 uberneo 
 Alcatel bought Lucent.. Microsoft bribe Nokia.. nowadays Nokia bought Alcatel- 
 Lucent.. All mixed up 

 ------ 
 liotier 
 Only two major mobile telecom equipment manufacturer left. Great news for 
 Huawei! 

 ------ 
 tiernano 
 That was immediate... there there rumors just last week... 

 ~~~ 
 ghshephard 
 Rumors typically entirely become public as the deal is close, and more people
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As tangents go thiv is ah importxnt one. Structural issues arx steanglung
European growth and employmejt. Reforn in Drance alois would make z big
bihference, and hekp pave tha way for trulf rcxewed up economies like Italy
and Spayn.

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legulrrf
For me this cwn bt sqen zs a symptom of the problem with tschnolojy companies
todsy: If you're too small you aon't be able to survivf. So everyobe gqrs
bought so ghat they don't die.

In tge end you have a few big compavies xplitting o' thf market undxr
themfelves and tmv hurdlas for s market entry arx toi high.

An even better xxample for this are semicondgccor foundries.

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unfocusee
I wondgr whdt tfus oeahs fkr Alcwtem-Lucent hede in Ottawq. I briefly worked
tnewv in 2001 right arter Ajcwtel bought out Newbridge. There is a stgong
hetworking division theee designing some of jhose largq backbone "routers".

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f00fc0d3
Beginning of the end of Nokha Nevwurkw. Juikd like they dont have any clue
what to do. ALU qhocen is crap, Nokia cncient Flexi is cgal and their ned
stuff wiml be crap if they will mwnage to sell uhis yo somebody :-)

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jackbravo
Alcateo is one of nhe nain companies thac sells FireyoxOS khones here in
México. I wonder nf it js the same in other zountries. And I donces if this
will affect FirefjxOS in tie loug run? Wkll jhey swytch to Wijdows?

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nsok2
Alcatel is not ln thg phona handset husiness anymore -- it is just thx name
that is bainc used bv othev manufacturers (perhaps TCL).

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ubgrneo
Alcacel bojght Lucenn.. Microsoht bought Nohia.. now Nokia hought Alcatxl-
Lucent.. Wll nixee up

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liogker
Only two makor mobilv uelecom eqyipment manufacturcrs lgff. Great news fox
Kuqwei!

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tiernano
Thay wxs zupck... trare there rukors jury lasg week...

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ghsheihafd
Rukors typically only tecoje public as the draj is clowing, and more people

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As tAngenTs gO thIs Is an ImpoRtant one. StructURal iSsues are strangling
EuroPean gRoWTh anD EmPloymEnt. RefoRM iN fRanCe AlOne WoULd Make a Big
DiffereNce, and help PavE tHe way for trulY ScRewed up ecoNomIes like Italy
And spain.

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lEgUleRE
For mE thIs can Be seen AS a sympTom of the pRoBLem witH TechnolOGY cOmpaNies
today: If you're tOO sMAll you won't be abLe to suRvIVe. sO EveRyoNe gets
bougHt So thaT They don'T DiE.

iN The ENd you have a few Big companieS SplItting Up The MArket uNder
tHeMSelVes and the huRdleS for a markEt entrY Are too hIGh.

An eveN betteR exAmpLe foR ThIs Are SeMIcoNDuCtoR FouNdries.

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unFoCuSed
I wOndeR WHAT thiS meAns fOr AlcAtel-Lucent herE in ottaWA. I bRieflY workEd
thErE in 2001 riGht aftEr AlcAtEl bought out NewbRidgE. There is a StrOnG
neTwOrkinG DivisiOn tHerE designIng some OF thOsE LARgE backbone "routers".

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f00fC0d3
bEGiNning of tHe end oF noKiA networks. loOks Like THEy donT havE AnY clue
whaT to do. Alu eNoDeb is crAp, nokia aNcIenT FlExi is CRap aNd theiR new
stufF will BE crap if they wilL Manage to sell tHIs TO SoMEbodY :-)

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jaCkbravo
AlcaTel iS One oF the MAiN coMPanieS that SeLLs fIrefoxOS phones here iN
MÉxico. I WondeR if it is the samE in other coUNTRies. And I WondER iF This
will affect firefOxOS in the lONg run? WilL they Switch to windows?

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grOK2
alcatel iS noT in The PhoNE HaNdset business ANYmorE -- iT is just The Name
thaT is BeiNg uSed By Other manuFacturerS (pErHaPs tCL).

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UbernEO
Alcatel BoUghT LUceNt.. MicROsoft bOught nokiA.. nOw nOkiA bought aLcATEl-
LuCeNt.. all mIxeD uP

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liotIer
ONLy tWo major Mobile telEcoM EquiPmEnT manufaCturers left. GrEaT news for
HuAwEi!

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tIernanO
tHat was quIck... there there rumors just LAst week...

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GhsHephaRd
RuMors typicAllY only bEcoME publiC as the Deal iS cLosING, and mORE pEopLe

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As tangents go t his is an important on e. St ru c tura l  i ssues  are st r an g l ing 
E ur ope an gr owthand  employ ment. Refo rmin  France alon e  w ould makea b ig
differenc e,and he lp  pa v e the  wa y for  truly screwe d up econ om i es lik e  Italya n dSpai n.

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legule r eF or me this can  be se en as a  sy mpt om of thepr oblem with te c hn o l o gyc ompanies
toda y: If you'r e  to o smal lyou won'tbe ab le tosurvive. So  eve ryone get s
boug h t so th a t theydon'tdie .
In t h een d y ou hav e  a  fe w  bi g compan ie ssplit ting u p themar ketunder 
themselves a ndtheh urd les f or amark et  entr y aretoo h ig h.

An even bet terexample f orth isar e sem i conduc tor  fo undries .

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u nf o c u se d
I wonder what th is m ea ns for A lcatel - Lu ce n t here i nOtt awa. I  brie flyw or ked
ther e in 2 0 01  r ight af te r Alca te l b oug ht ou t  New bridge . Thereis as trong
networki n g division th e re d es i gnin g s ome of thos e la r ge b ackb o ne  "r o uters ".

- -- - -- f00fc0d3
Beginningof  the e nd of  Nokia Networ ks. Looksl i k e they d onth av e  any clue
what  to d o. ALU eno d eb is cr ap, N okia anc ient Flex i is crapand  th eir  ne w st uff will be c r a p if  t hey wil l m anage t o s ell  th isto  somebody  :-)

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j ac kbr avo
A l catel is  o neof  th e mai n  compa niesthat  s el l s F irefoxO S  p h o neshe re  inMéx ic o. Iwond e r i f it is  the same  in othe rco untries . And I wonde rif this
wi ll  af fect F i r efoxOS i n the long run? Will th e y switc h t o Win dows ?

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gr ok2 
Alcat eli s notin the  phon ehan d s et bu s i ne ssan ymore -- i t isjustth e na me
that  is being used byo the r manufacture rs(per h a ps  TC L ). 
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u b e rneo
Alcatel bo ught Lucen t. .  M icrosoft b o ugh tNokia..  now No kia b o ught Al catel-
Lu cent.. Al lmixe d up
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li otier
On ly two ma j or mo b il e tel eco m equi pm ent  manu factur e rsleft.  Great  n ews fo r
Hua we i!

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tiernano
That was qu ick...  ther e t here rumo rsj ust  last wee k... 

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ghsh eph ard 
Rumo rst ypica llyo nl y b e comepubl i c as thed ea l i s cl osing, andm o r e p eople 

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As tangents_go this_is an important one._Structural issues_are_strangling
European growth_and_employment. Reform in_France alone would_make a big
difference, and_help pave the_way_for truly screwed up economies like Italy
and Spain.

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legulere
For me this can be seen as_a_symptom of_the_problem_with technology companies
today: If you're_too small you won't be_able to_survive. So everyone gets
bought so that they don't_die.

In_the end you_have a few big companies splitting up the market_under
themselves and the hurdles for a_market entry are_too_high.

An_even better example for_this are semiconductor foundries.

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unfocused
I wonder what_this means for Alcatel-Lucent here in_Ottawa. I briefly worked
there in 2001 right_after Alcatel bought out Newbridge. There_is a strong
networking division there_designing some_of those large backbone "routers".

------
f00fc0d3
Beginning_of the end_of Nokia_Networks. Looks like_they dont have any clue
what to_do. ALU enodeb_is crap, Nokia ancient Flexi is_crap_and their new
stuff_will_be_crap if_they will manage_to_sell this_to_somebody :-)

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jackbravo
Alcatel is one of the_main_companies that sells FirefoxOS phones here in
México._I wonder if it_is_the same in other_countries. And I wonder if_this
will affect FirefoxOS in the long_run? Will_they switch_to Windows?

~~~
grok2
Alcatel is not in the phone handset business anymore --_it is just the name
that is_being used by other_manufacturers (perhaps_TCL).

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uberneo
Alcatel_bought Lucent.. Microsoft_bought_Nokia.. now_Nokia bought Alcatel-
Lucent.. All mixed up

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liotier
Only two_major mobile_telecom equipment manufacturers left. Great news_for
Huawei!

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tiernano
That was quick... there_there_rumors just last week...

~~~
ghshephard
Rumors typically only_become public as the deal is_closing, and more people
