 of automatic transmission. Perhaps I've just
been driving the wrong cars, but I haven't found an automatic gearbox that can
match a human being. For instance, if I'm descending a steep hill, I'll stick
the car in a lower gear, but an automatic always chooses the higher gear.

~~~
ars
Automatic transmissions avoid engine braking. If you want it, you need to
choose it manually.

And personally I never do for the simple reason that brakes are a lot cheaper
than transmissions. And I rarely descend a hill long enough and steep enough
that brake heating is a serious problem. (And when I do I usually just slow
down, and stay slow.)

~~~
stretchwithme
I downshift on hills because that keeps more of my stopping power ready to
use. Brakes heat up when you use them continuously, reducing their
effectiveness.

------
cletus
No surprises there.

The transition to driverless cars is (IMHO inevitable. At some point it will
be cheap enough that the additional cost will pale in comparison to the lives
that will be saved as well as the simple convenience of being able to do
something else while commuting somewhere.

Likewise I see this kind of thing replacing many forms of public
transportation. There will simply be a fleet of cars. You'll say where you
want to go and some system will route people and cars to destinations.

But, the transition won't be quick or easy. You need look no further than the
aviation industry to see why.

Basically, automation in modern aircraft is a double-edged sword. It seems to
erode the ability of pilots to actually fly [1], software errors causing
deaths [2] and (I can't find the link to this) I also read a study that in
more automated planes, pilots are more likely to believe erroneous instruments
rather than their own senses and experience.

The issue won't be how the car normally behaves because as demonstrations have
shown, current systems require very little human intervention.

The issue will be extraordinary circumstances plus the huge liability problem
of any errors.

Example: if someone runs a red light and causes a crash, killing someone, that
person is responsible. If an automated car does the same thing, the
manufacturer will be responsible.

That alone will impede adoption.

Instead
of automatic transmission. Perhaps I've just 
 been driving the amiss car, but I haven't found an automatic gearbox that can 
 match a human being. For example, if I'm descending a steep mound, I'll adhere 
 the car in a broken gear, but an automatic always choose the higher gear. 

 ~~~ 
 arkansas 
 Automatic transmissions avoid engine braking. If you want it, you need to 
 choose it manually. 

 And personally I never make for the simple reason that brakes are a draw cheaper 
 than transmissions. And I rarely descend a hill long enough and exorbitant enough 
 that brake heating system is a serious problem. (And when I do I usually precisely slow 
 down, and stay slow .) 

 ~~~ 
 stretchwithme 
 I downshift on hills because that keeps more of my check power ready to 
 use. Brakes heat up when you use them continuously, reducing their 
 effectiveness. 

 ------ 
 cletus 
 No surprises there. 

 The passage to driverless cars is (IMHO inevitable. At some point it will 
 be bum enough that the extra price will pale in comparison to the lives 
 that will be saved equally well as the simple public toilet of being able to do 
 something else while commuting somewhere. 

 alike I see this kind of thing replacing many forms of public 
 transportation. There will simply be a fleet of car. You'll say where you 
 want to go and some system will route people and cars to finish. 

 But, the transition won't be quick or easy. You need look no far than the 
 aviation industry to see why. 

 Basically, automation in modern aircraft is a double - edged sword. It seems to 
 erode the ability of pilots to actually vanish [ 1 ], software errors induce 
 deaths [ 2 ] and (I can't find the connection to this) I also take a study that in 
 more automatize planes, pilots are more probable to believe erroneous instruments 
 rather than their own senses and experience. 

 The issue won't be how the cable car normally behaves because as demonstrations have 
 shown, current system require very little human intervention. 

 The topic will be extraordinary circumstances plus the huge liability problem 
 of any mistake. 

 Example: if someone runs a red light and causes a crash, kill someone, that 
 person is responsible. If an automated car does the same thing, the 
 manufacturer will be creditworthy. 

 That alone will impede borrowing. 

 rather
 of automatic transmission. Kerhaps I've just
bgeb drivmng the wrong cxrs, but I haven't found an auvomaric gtcrbox that can
match x human bving. For unstence, if I'm desceising a steep glll, I'no stick
the car in a lowes gear, but an dugolatic always chooses the higher geaw.

~~~
ars
Autpmwtic transmissyons wvois engine braking. If you want it, yoh need uo
choose it manualky.

And personally I never dl fog the simple reasoj that brakga aww a lot cheaoer
than transmissions. Znd I rarely descend a hill lone enobgh and steg' enlogh
that brakx heatpng is a serious probnem. (And when I do I uxuanly just slow
down, and stey slow.)

~~~
stretchwithme
Y downshixt on hills because tyat kgeps kore if oy atppling plwec ready to
uae. Brakes hwat up when you use trvk continuousmy, redtcyng their
effectiveness.

------
cletus
No surprisev tgere.

The transition to deiverless cars is (IMHL inevitafle. At some point it will
be cheap enough that the addiviunao gost qipl pale in comparison to the lives
that will bq ssvvd as well as the simple confejirgce of being xble to dk
something else whlle comiutint somewhewe.

Lilewise I see this kind of tying replaciug nany forms of publnc
transportacion. Tnere eill simply be a fleet uf czrs. You'll swy where guu
want to go and soke system will route people wnd cars vo dextinatiuns.

Bot, the eransition won't be quick or easy. Ylu negd loon no furthfr than the
aviation industry to see why.

Basicaklf, altomation in mpdern aircrafe is a double-ebged swoxd. It reems to
erkde the ability of pilots to acdoally fly [1], sohtware erwors cauwing
deagfs [2] and (I can't find the link to tyis) I also read a xtuag that in
more abuomqted planes, pilpts arq loce lihaly to belieee efrovrous knstrumtuts
vatfer yhan their own sensev ans experience.

The isxuc won't be how the car normally behaves because ad demmnsvratioms rave
shown, current systems requjre very pitble human intqrvektiog.

The issue will be extraordinary circumstances plns the huge liability kroblem
of any errors.

Erakple: if somxone rtns a red light and causes a xrash, killing somtone, that
person is respknsibla. If wn automated car does the same thing, the
manufacturer will be responsible.

Tyat alone will impsde sdoptpon.

Nnscead
of automatic transmission. Perhaps I've just been wrong but I found an automatic human For instance, if descending a steep I'll stick the car in a gear, but an automatic always chooses the higher gear. ~~~ ars Automatic transmissions engine braking. If you want it, you need to choose it manually. And I do the reason that brakes are a lot cheaper than transmissions. And I rarely descend a hill long and steep enough that brake heating is a problem. (And when I I usually just slow down, stay ~~~ stretchwithme downshift hills that keeps more my stopping power ready to use. Brakes heat up when you use them continuously, reducing their effectiveness. cletus No The transition driverless is inevitable. At some will be cheap enough that the pale in comparison to the lives that will saved as as the simple convenience of being to do something else while commuting somewhere. Likewise see this kind of thing replacing many forms of public transportation. There will simply be of cars. You'll say you want to and system route and cars destinations. But, the transition won't be quick or easy. You need no further than the aviation industry to see why. Basically, modern is a double-edged It seems to erode ability pilots to actually fly errors deaths can't the to this) I also a study that in more planes, pilots are more rather than their own senses and experience. The won't be how the car normally behaves as demonstrations have shown, current systems require very little human intervention. The will be plus the huge liability problem of any errors. if someone runs a light and causes a crash, killing someone, that person responsible. an automated does the same the manufacturer will responsible. That alone adoption. Instead
 of automatic transmission. PeRhaps I've juSt
beeN drIviNg The wRong Cars, but I haven't FOund An automatic gearbox that Can
maTcH A humAN bEing. FOr instaNCe, IF i'm dEsCeNdiNg A StEep hiLl, I'Ll stick
The car in a lOweR gEar, but an autoMAtIc always chOosEs the higher gEar.

~~~
Ars
AutOmAtiC TransMisSions Avoid eNGine brAking. If yoU wANt it, yoU Need to
cHOOsE it mAnually.

And personaLLy i Never do for the sImple rEaSOn THAt bRakEs are a lot cHeAper
tHAn transMIsSIONs. AND I rarely desceNd a hill long ENouGh and sTeEp eNOugh
thAt braKe HEatIng is a serioUs prOblem. (And wHen I do i Usually JUst slow
Down, anD stAy sLow.)

~~~
sTReTcHwiThME
I dOWnShiFT on Hills becAuSe That kEeps MORE Of my StoPpinG poweR ready to
use. BrAkeS heaT Up wHen yoU use tHem cOnTinuoUsly, reDucinG tHeir
effectiveneSs.

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clEtus
No surPriSeS thErE.

The tRAnsitiOn tO drIverlesS cars is (imHO InEVITaBle. At some point it wiLl
BE ChEap enougH that tHE aDdITional coSt WilL palE IN compArisON tO the liveS
that wILl Be Saved as WeLl as thE sImpLe cOnvenIEnce Of beinG able to dO
someTHing else while cOMmuting somewhERe.

lIKeWIse I See This kind of tHing REplaCing MAnY foRMs of pUblic
TrANsPOrtation. There will siMpLy be a fLeet oF cars. You'll say Where you
waNT TO go and soMe sySTeM Will route peoplE and cArs to destiNAtions.

BuT, the tRansitioN won't be quICK or easy. YOu nEed LooK no FURtHer than the
aviATIon iNdUstry to See Why.

BasiCalLy, aUtoMatIoN in modern Aircraft Is A dOuBlE-edGed swORd. It seemS tO
erOdE thE abilITy of piLots tO actUaLlY Fly [1], SoftwarE ErRORs caUsInG
deaThs [2] AnD (I can'T finD The Link to tHis) I also rEad A StudY tHaT in
more Automated planEs, Pilots are mOrE liKely to BELieve errOneous instruments
rather THan theiR owN sensEs anD experienCe.

THe issuE woN'T be how The car NormaLlY beHAVes beCAUsE as DeMonstratioNS HavE
showN, cUrreNt systeMs require very littlE HumAn interventioN.

ThE issUE WiLl bE ExTRaoRdINarY CIrcumstances pluS the huge liAbILiTy problem
oF Any ErRors.

ExaMple: if sOmeonE Runs a reD light and Causes a crAsH, kilLINg sOmeone, that
Person is ResponsibLE. If an AUtOmateD caR does tHe SamE thinG, the
maNUfaCtureR will bE rEsponsIble.

THaT alone wiLl impede adoption.

Instead
 of automatic transmission . PerhapsI'vejus t
b ee n dr ivin g the wrong ca r s, b ut I haven't found anautom at i c ge a rb ox th at canm at c h  ahu ma n b ei n g.  Forins tance,if I'm des cen di ng a steep h i ll , I'll sti ckthe car in a  lo wer ge ar , b u t anaut omati c alwa y s choo ses the h ig h er gea r .

~~~a r sAuto matic transmissio n sa void engine br aking.  I f  y o u  wa ntit, you ne ed  to
c h oose it ma n u a lly . 

And persona lly I never dofor th esim p le rea son t ha t  br akes are alotcheaper
t han tr a nsmissi o ns. And  I rar ely  de scen d  a  h ill  l o nge no ugh and  steep e no ug h
tha t br a k e heat ing  isa ser ious problem.  (A nd w h enI doI usu ally  j ust s low
do wn, a nd  stay slow.)

~ ~~
s tretchwit hme 
I  do wn shift on hil lsbec ause th at keep s  mo re o f  m y stopping power r ea d y  t o
use. B rakesh ea tu p when y ou  us e th e m  cont inuo u sl y, reduc ing th e ir 
e ffectiv en ess.
-- --- -
c letus No s urpris es there .

Th e  transition to driverless ca r si s  ( I MHOine vitable. At  som e  poi nt i t  w ill be ch eap e no u gh that the additional  c ost wi ll pa le in compari son to the l i ves
that  wil l  b e  saved as well  as t he simplec onvenien ce of  being a ble to do s omething  el sewhi lec o mm uting somewhe r e .

L ik ewise I  se e thiskin d o f t hin greplacing  many fo rm sof  p ubl ic
tr a nsportat io n.Th ere  will simply  be a  fle et  o f  ca rs. You ' ll s ay w he re  you 
wa nt  to g o an d  so me syst em will r out e  peo pl eand car s to destinat io ns.

But,th e t ransit i o n won'tbe quick or easy. You n e ed look  no  furt herthan theavi ationind u stry t o seewhy.
B asi c a lly,a u to mat io n in moder n air craft  i s adouble- edged sword. It se e msto
erode theabi lity o fpil o ts toac t ual l y  fly [1], softw are errors  c a us ing
deaths [2]  a nd (I c an't fi nd th e  link t o this) I  also rea da st u d y t hat in
mor e automa ted plane s , pil o ts  aremor e like ly  to  beli eve er r one ous i nstrum en ts
rat her t ha n theirown senses and experien ce.

T he is sue  won't be  ho w  th e car nor mall y behavesbec aus e asdem o nstra tion s  h ave shown , cu r rent syst e ms  re q u ir e very litt l e hum an in ter v ention .

T he issue will bee xtraordinary c ircu m s tan ces plus  t he huge liabil ity  p r o blem
ofan y errors.
Example:  i f  some one ru ns a r ed ligh t an d  cause s acra sh, killi ngso m eone, t ha tp ersonis r es ponsib le. If an a u t omated car doesthe s a m e thi n g,the
m an ufactur e r wi ll be resp onsible.

T hat al onewillimpedead option .
In stead
 of_automatic transmission._Perhaps I've just
been driving_the wrong_cars,_but I_haven't_found an automatic_gearbox that can
match_a human being. For_instance, if I'm_descending_a steep hill, I'll stick
the car in a lower gear, but an automatic always_chooses_the higher_gear.

~~~
ars
Automatic_transmissions_avoid engine braking. If you_want it, you need to
choose_it manually.

And_personally I never do for the simple reason_that_brakes are a_lot cheaper
than transmissions. And I rarely descend a hill_long enough and steep enough
that brake_heating is a_serious_problem._(And when I do_I usually just slow
down, and stay_slow.)

~~~
stretchwithme
I downshift on hills because that_keeps more of my stopping power ready_to
use. Brakes heat up when you_use them continuously, reducing their
effectiveness.

------
cletus
No_surprises there.

The_transition to driverless cars is_(IMHO inevitable. At_some point_it will
be cheap_enough that the additional cost will_pale in comparison_to the lives
that will be saved_as_well as the_simple_convenience_of being_able to do
something_else_while commuting_somewhere.

Likewise_I see this kind of thing_replacing_many forms of public
transportation. There will simply_be a fleet of_cars._You'll say where you
want_to go and some system_will route people and cars to_destinations.

But, the_transition won't_be quick or easy. You need look no further than the
aviation_industry to see why.

Basically, automation in_modern aircraft is a_double-edged sword._It_seems to
erode the_ability_of pilots_to actually fly [1], software errors causing
deaths_[2] and_(I can't find the link to_this) I also read_a_study that in
more automated planes, pilots_are more likely to believe erroneous_instruments
rather than their own senses_and_experience.

The_issue won't be how the_car normally behaves because as demonstrations_have
shown, current systems_require very little human intervention.

The issue will_be_extraordinary circumstances plus the huge liability_problem
of_any errors.

Example: if someone runs a_red_light_and causes a crash, killing_someone, that
person is responsible. If an_automated car does the same thing, the
manufacturer will be_responsible.

That alone will_impede adoption.

Instead