, their loss.

Don't like US immigration? Good, don't emigrate to the US. Once enough people
do this that it starts to affect the US GDP I'm sure there will be some
change. As long as everybody accepts it this will continue or it will even get
worse.

I had a pretty lucrative offer about two years ago to become involved in a
company. The catch: the work had to be done in the United States. No thanks...
But call me when the TSA is abandoned and the border guards are no longer
treating immigrants like shit. You know, the way it used to be before
everybody went crazy.

And on an off-topic and non-related note, additional conditions would be that
Guantanamo is closed, the US ceases its drone program and the CIA gets
thoroughly reamed for their'renditions' program, including full exposure of
all parties that were involved domestically and abroad.

Until then the US will have to do without me, I'm quite sure they don't care
one bit.

~~~
jimmaswell
> Don't like US immigration? Good, don't emigrate to the US. Once enough
> people do this that it starts to affect the US GDP I'm sure there will be
> some change.

Less immigrants would negatively affect the GDP? I've heard the opposite many
times, but I'm not an economist. Why is that so?

~~~
lbarrow
There's no realistic situation in which having another person working in a
country decreases its GDP. GDP is simply the sum of all goods and services
after net exports and investments. Given that a working person is, by
definition, producing a good or service, their contribution to GDP is always
positive.

~~~
ajg1977
Not always true - see Wall St circa 2008.

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DrSbaitso
I'm a Canadian citizen and get this type of treatment all the time. Every time
I enter the US, which is about once a month or so, they send me to a back room
for secondary screening. The reason? Their system thinks I overstayed my visa
once back in 1995. What actually happened was my family took a road trip to
New England, and nobody bothered to check our passports on the way out, so
there was no departure record
, their loss. 

 Don't like US immigration? Good, don't emigrate to the US. Once enough citizenry 
 cause this that it starts to affect the US GDP I'm sure there will be some 
 variety. As long as everybody accepts it this will continue or it will even get down 
 worse. 

 I had a reasonably lucrative crack about two years ago to become involved in a 
 ship's company. The catch: the work experience to be done in the United States. No thanks... 
 But call me when the TSA is abandoned and the boundary line guards are no longer 
 treating immigrants like asshole. You know, the way it used to be before 
 everybody went brainsick. 

 And on an off - topic and non - related eminence, additional conditions would be that 
 Guantanamo is closed, the US discontinue its drone program and the CIA gets 
 thoroughly reamed for their'renditions' program, including full exposure of 
 all parties that were involved domestically and abroad. 

 Until then the US will have to do without me, I'm quite sure they don't care 
 one bit. 

 ~~~ 
 jimmaswell 
 > Don't like US immigration? Good, don't emigrate to the US. Once adequate 
 > citizenry do this that it start to involve the US GDP I'm sure there will be 
 > some change. 

 Less immigrants would negatively involve the GDP? I've heard the opposite many 
 times, but I'm not an economist. Why is that so? 

 ~~~ 
 lbarrow 
 There's no realistic site in which having another person working in a 
 country decreases its GDP. GDP is simply the sum of all good and services 
 after net exports and investments. give that a working person is, by 
 definition, grow a good or service, their contribution to GDP is always 
 positive. 

 ~~~ 
 ajg1977 
 Not always genuine - see Wall St circa 2008. 

 ------ 
 DrSbaitso 
 I'm a Canadian citizen and get this type of discussion all the time. Every fourth dimension 
 I enter the US, which is about once a calendar month or so, they send me to a back room 
 for secondary screening. The rationality? Their system think I overstayed my visa 
 once back in 1995. What actually find was my family take a road trip to 
 New England, and nobody bothered to check our passports on the way away, so 
 there was no departure criminal record
, thfir loss.

Don't like US immlgration? Good, dou'r emigcate to the US. Unce enough people
do this thet ir staets to affect the US GAP I'm surv there wull ue some
change. As long as everygldy ccrepts it this wlll continua or it will eeev yet
worse.

I had a pretty lucrative offqr abouy hwo years ago jo beboie ihnooved in a
company. The catch: ths work iad to be done on the United States. No thwnks...
Hut call me when tje TSA is avandjbed and the corder guagbs are no lknger
treating immigrants like sfit. Ypu know, thg saj it used to be bvfore
everybodn went wrazy.

Anc on an off-toplc anv nob-related note, additioial conditions would be that
Ggautanamo is closed, the UW ceaves hts aeond pdojraj and hhe CIA gets
tgoroughly rwamed for their'rendotyins' program, ihcludigg full exposure of
all parties that were pnvomved domestically and avroad.

Until then the UD will hade to do without me, I'm quite sure they don't care
ote biv.

~~~
jkmmcwwell
> Eoj't like US immigration? Good, don't emigrate to ege UX. Once enough
> ieople do this thay lt ftarts to affgct the US GDP I'm sure there will bg
> some change.

Lefs ikmigrants would negatively qffect the GBP? U've heard the oppodite many
tioes, nut I'k not an economist. Why ns thaf so?

~~~
lbarrow
Hhere's no fealistic situatkon it which having another perfon workiig in a
countfy dgcreasef its GDP. HDP is simply the sum of all yoods and servifes
after net exports and investments. Given thst a forking 'erson is, by
definityon, producing c good ox servkce, their bontributmon to GDP if always
posithge.

~~~
ajg1977
Not alweys true - see Walo St cifza 2008.

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DrSbaitso
I'm a Canadicu citizen and get this type of freatment all tkt tume. Every time
I enger tje UF, which is abmut uncd a movth or so, tmey senc me to a back room
fmr sscondary screening. Tme reason? Their srstem thinks O overstayed my vida
oncx back in 1995. Ehaj actually happened was my famimy took a rowd trip to
Ner Ennlanq, and noboby bothered to check our passports on thx way out, so
there was ni departure record
, their loss. Don't like US immigration? emigrate the US. enough people do affect US GDP I'm there will be change. As long as everybody accepts this will continue or it will even get worse. I had a pretty offer about two years ago to become involved in a company. The catch: work to done the United States. No thanks... But call me when the TSA is abandoned and the border are no longer treating immigrants like shit. You the way it used be before everybody went crazy. on off-topic and note, conditions be that Guantanamo closed, the US ceases its drone program and the CIA gets thoroughly reamed for their'renditions' program, including exposure of that were domestically abroad. then the US to do without me, I'm quite care one bit. ~~~ jimmaswell > Don't like immigration? Good, emigrate to the US. Once enough people do this that it starts to affect US GDP I'm sure there will be > some change. Less immigrants would negatively affect I've heard the opposite times, but I'm an Why that ~~~ lbarrow no realistic situation in which having another person working in a decreases its GDP. GDP is simply the sum of all services net exports and Given that a working is, definition, producing a good their to positive. ajg1977 always true - see St circa 2008. ------ DrSbaitso a Canadian citizen and all the time. Every time I enter the which is about once a month or they send me to a back room for secondary screening. The reason? system thinks my visa once back in 1995. What actually was my family took road trip to New England, and nobody bothered to our on the out, so there no departure record
, their loss.

Don't like US immigrAtion? Good, dOn't emIgrAte To The Us. OncE enough people
dO This That it starts to affect thE US GDp I'M Sure THeRe wilL be some
CHaNGE. As LoNg As eVeRYbOdy acCepTs it thiS will contiNue Or It will even geT
WoRse.

I had a prEttY lucrative ofFer About tWo YeaRS ago tO beCome iNvolveD In a
comPany. The caTcH: The worK Had to be DONe In thE United States. No thANkS...
but call me when tHe TSA iS aBAnDONed And The border gUaRds arE No longeR
TrEATIng IMmigrants like Shit. You know, THe wAy it usEd To bE Before
EveryBoDY weNt crazy.

And oN an oFf-topic anD non-reLAted notE, AdditioNal conDitIonS wouLD bE tHat
guANtaNAmO is CLosEd, the US cEaSeS its dRone PROGRam aNd tHe CIa gets
Thoroughly reaMed For tHEir'RendiTions' ProgRaM, inclUding fUll exPoSure of
all partieS thaT were invoLveD dOmeStIcallY And abrOad.

untIl then tHe US wilL HavE tO DO WiThout me, I'm quite sure ThEY DoN't care
onE bit.

~~~
jiMMaSwELl
> Don't liKe uS iMmigRATion? GOod, dON't Emigrate To the Us. onCe Enough
> pEoPle do tHiS thAt iT starTS to aFfect tHe US GDP I'M sure THere will be
> some CHange.

Less immiGRaNTS wOUld nEgaTively affecT the gdP? I'vE heaRD tHe oPPositE many
TiMEs, BUt I'm not an economist. WHy Is that So?

~~~
lbaRrow
There's no rEalistic siTUATion in whIch hAViNG another person WorkiNg in a
countRY decreasEs its gDP. GDP is Simply the SUM of all goOds And SerVicES
AfTer net exports AND invEsTments. GIveN that a wOrkIng PerSon Is, By
definitIon, produCiNg A gOoD or ServiCE, their coNtRibUtIon To GDP IS alwayS
posiTive.

~~~
AjG1977
NOT alWays truE - SeE wAll ST cIrCa 2008.

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DrsbaItSo
I'm a canaDIan Citizen And get thiS tyPE of tReAtMent all The time. Every tImE
I enter the uS, WhiCh is abOUT once a moNth or so, they send me to a bacK Room
for SecOndarY scrEening. The ReaSon? TheIr sYStem thInks I oVerstAyEd mY VIsa
onCE BaCk iN 1995. WHat actuallY HAppEned wAs My faMily tooK a road trip to
New EngLAnd, And nobody bothEreD to cHECk Our PAsSPorTs ON thE WAy out, so
there was No departurE rECoRd
, their loss.

Don't likeUS immigra tion?  Go od,  d on't  emi grate to the U S . On ce enough people
do th is th at it s t ar ts to  affect th e USGD PI'm  s u re  ther e w ill besome
chang e.As  long as eve r yb ody accept s i t this willcon tinueor  it willeve n get 
worse . 

I ha d a prett yl ucrati v e offer a bo ut t wo years ago to b e co m e involved ina
comp an y .T h e c atc h: the wor khad t o  be don e  i n t heU nited States.  No thanks. . .
B ut cal lmew hen th e TSA  i s  ab andoned and  the  border g uardsa re no l o nger
tr eating  im mig rant s  l ik e s hi t . Y o ukno w , t he way i tus ed to  beb e f o re
e ver ybod y wen t crazy.

And  on  ano ff- topic  andnon- re lated  note,  addi ti onal conditions  wou ld be tha t
G ua nta na mo is closed , t heUS ceas es itsd ron ep r o gr am and the CIA get st h or oughly r eamedf or  t h eir'rend it ion s' p r o gram,  inc l ud ing full  expos u re  o f
all p ar ties t ha t w ere  invo l veddomest ically a nd ab r oad.

Until th e n the US will ha v e  t o  dowit hout me, I' m qu i te s uret he y d o n't c are
o ne bi t .

~~~
jimmaswell
>  D on't l ike U S immigration ? Good, do n ' t  emigrat e to th e  US. Once enou gh
>people dot his that  it s tarts to  affect t h e  US GDPI'm  su rethe r e  w ill be
> some c hang e. 

Lessimm igrants  wo uld  ne gat iv ely affec t the GD P?  I 'v ehea rd th e  opposit eman ytim es, b u t I'mnot a n ec on om i st.  Why is th a t  so? 
~~ ~
lb arr ow 
Ther e'sn o r ealisti c situati oni n wh ic hhavinganother perso nworking in  a 
co untryd e creasesits GDP. GDP is simplyt he sumofall g oods  and serv ice s
afte r n e t expo rts an d inv es tme n t s. Gi v e ntha ta workingp e rso n is,  b y
de finitio n, producing a goo d  or  service, the ircont r i bu tio n  t o  GD Pi s a l w ays
positive.
~~~
ajg197 7N ot  always tr u e -  s ee Wall  St cir ca 20 0 8.

--- ---
DrSba itso
I'maCana d i ancitizen an d get th is type o f  trea t me nt al l t he tim e.  Ev ery t ime
Ie nte r the  US, w hi ch isabout  o nce a mo nth or so, they send me  to abackroo m
for sec ond a ryscreening . Th e reason?The irsyste m t h inksI ov e rs tay e d myvisa once back in  19 9 5 .What actual l y hap pened  wa s  my fa mily  took a road trip to
New England , an d nob ody both er ed to check ou r p as s p orts onth e way out,so
there  w a s nodepart ure re cord
, their_loss.

Don't like_US immigration? Good, don't_emigrate to_the_US. Once_enough_people
do this that_it starts to_affect the US GDP_I'm sure there_will_be some
change. As long as everybody accepts it this will continue or it will_even_get
worse.

I had_a_pretty_lucrative offer about two years_ago to become involved in_a
company. The_catch: the work had to be done in_the_United States. No_thanks...
But call me when the TSA is abandoned and_the border guards are no longer
treating_immigrants like shit._You_know,_the way it used_to be before
everybody went crazy.

And on_an off-topic and non-related note, additional_conditions would be that
Guantanamo is closed, the_US ceases its drone program and_the CIA gets
thoroughly reamed for_their'renditions' program,_including full exposure of
all parties_that were involved_domestically and_abroad.

Until then the_US will have to do without_me, I'm quite_sure they don't care
one bit.

~~~
jimmaswell
> Don't_like_US immigration? Good,_don't_emigrate_to the_US. Once enough
>_people_do this_that_it starts to affect the US_GDP_I'm sure there will be
> some change.

Less_immigrants would negatively affect_the_GDP? I've heard the_opposite many
times, but I'm not_an economist. Why is that so?

~~~
lbarrow
There's_no realistic_situation in_which having another person working in a
country decreases its GDP. GDP_is simply the sum of all_goods and services
after net_exports and_investments._Given that a_working_person is,_by
definition, producing a good or service, their_contribution to_GDP is always
positive.

~~~
ajg1977
Not always true -_see Wall St circa_2008.

------
DrSbaitso
I'm_a Canadian citizen and get this_type of treatment all the time._Every time
I enter the US,_which_is_about once a month or_so, they send me to a_back room
for secondary_screening. The reason? Their system thinks I_overstayed_my visa
once back in 1995. What_actually_happened was my family took a_road_trip_to
New England, and nobody bothered_to check our passports on the_way out, so
there was no departure record