 crowd is that ugly, the local PD should be
called in. I don't think riot dispersal is really a great responsibility for
campus police.

Re the mines: I'm guessing you don't get much of a chance to check for mines,
especially on convoy routes. Car bombs at checkpoints (like the video I
linked) are probably impossible to detect before someone is in the blast zone.

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anologwintermut
Colleges of OSU's size have had problems with riots after games and at the end
of frat parties ( in fact, I believe OSU has had both, I know they have had
football riots [0]). Vehicles, including police cars, get flipped and set on
fire.

Since this is likely surplus military equipment from the US draw down in Iraq
bought for cheap, perhaps it was a cheap way to get a vehicle for riot
control?

Certainly, they aren't expected to drive across IEDs on campus.

Keep in mind, the police forces at large state schools are actual sworn law
enforcement officers who carry guns, arrest people, and are responsible for
crowd control. OSU is more than 56k people, well past the point where a town
would have it's own police force.

Of course, this says nothing about whether any police forces should have this
type of equipment.

[0][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHxDZwxloY](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHxDZwxloY)

~~~
gcb1
when 5+ people are going to pacifically hold signs in some park they have to
inform the authorities so they can provide public "protection".

why a game of that proportions is different? i take it that more than 5 people
are guaranteed to show up.

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runarb
To their defense: there has been a worrying trend recently where the
perpetrators of thus shootings have been much better equipped. Until recently
thus shootings was mostly done with 9-mm semi-automatic weapons. But for
example both the batman theater shooter and Anders Behring Breivik her in
Norway did use at least some bullet resisting equipment and assault rifles.

It is totally possible that the next shooter will have full tactical armor and
a fully automatic assault rifle with drum magazines.
crowd is that ugly, the local PD should be 
 called in. I don't think riot dispersion is in truth a great responsibility for 
 campus police. 

 Re the mine: I'm guess you don't get much of a chance to discipline for mine, 
 especially on convoy path. Car bombs at checkpoint (like the video I 
 linked) are probably impossible to detect before someone is in the blast zone. 

 ------ 
 anologwintermut 
 Colleges of OSU's size have experience problems with riots after games and at the goal 
 of frat parties (in fact, I believe OSU has receive both, I know they have had 
 football riots [ 0 ]). vehicle, including police cars, get flipped and set on 
 fire. 

 Since this is probable surplus military equipment from the US draw down in Iraq 
 bought for cheap, perhaps it was a cheap direction to get a vehicle for riot 
 control? 

 Certainly, they aren't expected to drive across IEDs on campus. 

 Keep in mind, the police effect at large state school are actual sworn law 
 enforcement officers who carry gun, arrest people, and are responsible for 
 crowd control. OSU is more than 56k citizenry, well past the point where a town 
 would have it's own police force. 

 Of course, this says nothing about whether any police force should have this 
 type of equipment. 

 [ 0][http://www.youtube.com / watch?v = wIHxDZwxloY](http://www.youtube.com / watch?v = wIHxDZwxloY) 

 ~~~ 
 gcb1 
 when 5 + people are going to pacifically hold signs in some ballpark they have to 
 inform the authorities so they can provide public " protection ". 

 why a game of that proportion is different? i take it that more than 5 people 
 are guaranteed to show up. 

 ------ 
 runarb 
 To their defense: there has been a worrying trend recently where the 
 perpetrator of thus shootings have been much better equipped. Until recently 
 therefore shootings was mostly done with 9 - mm semi - automatic weapon. But for 
 example both the batman field shooter and Anders Behring Breivik her in 
 Norway did use at least some bullet resisting equipment and assault rifles. 

 It is wholly possible that the next shooter will give birth full tactical armor and 
 a fully automatic assault rifle with drum magazines.
 crlwd is that ugly, the locxl PD should be
eqlled mn. I doh't think riot dispersal is really a jrear reskjnsibility for
campjs police.

Ge the mibes: M'm guessing you vkn't get much kn a ckaice to check fot mines,
espechally on convof fobtes. Car bombs at checkpoints (like tre videp L
linked) are prjbabkr imlossible to detect before someone js in tie blast zone.

------
anplogwintermut
Colleges of ODU's dize have had probpems with ruots qfter games xnd at the end
of frat karties ( in fact, I believe OSU hxs hab both, I kniw thfi have had
foitbalj riots [0]). Vehlbles, inwluding police cars, gct flmppee and set on
fire.

Since this is likely sutplus milidaxy equipment from the UW draf dofn iv Irxq
bkujht for cjea', perhaps if was a cheqp way to get a vehocjv for riot
confrol?

Cewtwinly, they aren't expected to drive acrovs JEDs on campus.

Keep in mund, the police forces at large state schools are actual sworn law
enforcement ofxicera whi garrh gkns, arrest people, and are responsible for
crowq cpnnrol. OSU is more bhan 56k people, well pwsy the point whgre a town
sould have it's own police forcw.

Of courst, thix says nothing about whethee any police dorces should have this
type oy equikment.

[0][hytp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHxDZwsloY](http://www.joutube.coj/datch?v=wIHxDZwxloH)

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gcn1
whan 5+ people are going to pasifically holb signs kn spme pawk they hage to
ltform the authoritles sl dhey can pgovide public "protection".

why a geke of that ptopmrtpons is dnfferekt? i take it thwt more than 5 keople
are guarxnteed to ahow up.

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cunarb
To theyr defense: thate has been a worryind trwnd eecentlh where the
perprtrators of thus shiotings have been kucf better equippeb. Obtil recently
tnus shjoninjs waf mostly done witf 9-mo semi-xutomatic wcapuns. Nut for
example both dhe gatman theater shoptcr and Aneers Behwing Breivik ner in
Norway did ude at leest soke fullet resisting equipment and assault gifjes.

It is totwlly possible thct the next shooter will have full tactiral armor and
a fully aotomatic assault riflg wlth drum magezines.
crowd is that ugly, the local PD called I don't riot dispersal is campus Re the mines: guessing you don't much of a chance to check mines, especially on convoy routes. Car bombs at checkpoints (like the video I are probably impossible to detect before someone is in the blast zone. ------ Colleges OSU's have problems with riots after games and at the end of frat parties ( in fact, I OSU has had both, I know they have football riots [0]). Vehicles, police cars, get flipped and on Since this likely military from the US down in Iraq bought for cheap, perhaps it was a cheap way to get a vehicle for control? Certainly, expected to across on Keep in mind, forces at large state schools are enforcement officers who carry guns, arrest people, and responsible for control. OSU is more than 56k well past the point where a town would it's own police force. Of course, this says nothing about whether any police forces should type of equipment. [0][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHxDZwxloY](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHxDZwxloY) gcb1 when 5+ are to hold in some they have to inform the authorities so they can provide public why a game of that proportions is different? i take more 5 people are to show up. ------ To defense: there has been trend where thus have much better equipped. Until thus shootings was mostly done 9-mm semi-automatic weapons. But theater shooter and Anders Behring Breivik her in did use at least some bullet resisting and assault rifles. It is totally possible that the next shooter will full tactical a fully automatic assault rifle with drum magazines.
 crowd is that ugly, the local PD Should be
caLled iN. I dOn't ThInk rIot dIspersal is realLY a grEat responsibility for
caMpus pOlICe.

Re THe Mines: i'm guessINg YOU doN't GeT muCh OF a ChancE to Check foR mines,
espeCiaLlY on convoy rouTEs. car bombs at CheCkpoints (like The Video I
LiNkeD) Are prObaBly imPossibLE to detEct before SoMEone is IN the blaST ZoNe.

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anOlogwintermut
CollEGeS Of OSU's size have Had proBlEMs WITh rIotS after gameS aNd at tHE end
of fRAt PARTieS ( In fact, I believE OSU has had bOTh, I Know thEy HavE Had
fooTball RiOTs [0]). VEhicles, inclUdinG police caRs, get fLIpped anD Set on
fiRe.

SincE thIs iS likELy SuRplUs MIliTArY eqUIpmEnt from tHe uS Draw dOwn iN iRAQ
bouGht For cHeap, pErhaps it was a cHeaP way TO geT a vehIcle fOr riOt
ContrOl?

CertAinly, ThEy aren't expected To drIve across iEDS oN caMpUs.

KeeP In mind, The PolIce forcEs at larGE stAtE SCHoOls are actual sworn lAw
ENFoRcement oFficerS WhO cARry guns, aRrEst PeopLE, And arE resPOnSible for
Crowd cONtRoL. OSU is mOrE than 56k PeOplE, weLl pasT The pOint whEre a town
Would HAve it's own policE Force.

Of course, THiS SAyS NothIng About whetheR any POlicE forCEs ShoULd havE this
TyPE oF Equipment.

[0][http://www.youTuBe.com/wAtch?v=WIHxDZwxloY](htTp://www.youtuBE.COm/watch?v=WIHxdzwXLoY)

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gcb1
when 5+ peopLe are Going to pacIFically hOld siGns in somE park they HAVe to
infoRm tHe aUthOriTIEs So they can provIDE pubLiC "protecTioN".

why a gaMe oF thAt pRopOrTions is diFferent? i TaKe It ThAt mOre thAN 5 people
aRe GuaRaNteEd to sHOw up.

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ruNarb
TO theIr DeFEnsE: there hAS bEEN a woRrYiNg trEnd ReCentlY wheRE thE
perpetRators of tHus SHootInGs Have beeN much better eqUiPped. Until rEcEntLy
thus SHOotings wAs mostly done with 9-mm semi-aUTomatic WeaPons. BUt foR
example bOth The batMan THeater ShooteR and ANdErs bEHring bREiVik HeR in
Norway dID Use At leaSt Some Bullet rEsisting equipment aND asSault rifles.

It Is tOtalLY PoSsiBLe THat ThE NexT SHooter will have fUll tacticaL aRMoR and
a fully AUtoMaTic assaUlt riflE with DRum magaZines.
 crowd is that ugly, the l ocal PD sh ouldbecal le d in . Idon't think ri o t di spersal is really a gr eat r es p onsi b il ity f or
camp u sp o lic e. 
Reth e  m ines:  I' m guess ing you do n't  g et much of a ch ance to ch eck  for mines,esp eciall yonc onvoy  ro utes.  Car b o mbs at  checkpoi nt s  (like the vid e o  I 
lin ked) are probably im p ossible to det ect be fo r es o meo neis in thebl ast z o ne.

-- - -- - a nol o gwintermut
Co lleges of O S U's  sizeha veh ad pro blems  w i thriots after  gam es and at  the e n d
of fr a t parti es ( i n f act , Ib el ie veOS U  ha s  h adb oth , I know  t he y hav e ha d f o otba llriot s [0] ). Vehicles,inc ludi n g p olice  cars , ge tflipp ed and  seton 
fire.

Since t hisis likely  su rp lus  m ilita r y equi pme ntfrom th e US dr a w d ow n i nIraq
bought for ch ea p ,  p erhaps i t wasa  c he a p way to  g eta ve h i cle f or r i ot 
control ?

Cer t ai nl y, they  a ren'tex pec ted  to d r iveacross  IEDs on  camp u s.

Keep in mi n d, the police fo r c es at l arg e state sch ools areactu a lswo r n law 
enfo rc e me n t officers who carr yguns,arres t people, and  are respo n s i ble forcrow d  c o ntrol. OSU ismorethan 56k p e ople, we ll pa st the p oint wher e a town
w oul d h ave  it ' s  o wn police for c e .

O fcourse,  th is says  no thi ngabo ut  whetherany poli ce  f or ce s s hould have thi styp eofequip m ent.
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gcb1
when5+  people ar egoi ng top a cificall y hold signs in some pa r k theyhav e toinfo rm the au tho rities  so they c an pro videpu bli c "prot e c ti on" .
why a gam e ofthatpr opor tions i s different? i tak e  it  that more th an5 pe o p le 
ar e  g u ara nt e edt o  show up.

---- --
runarbTo th eir defens e : t he re hasbeen aworry i ng tren d recentl y where t he 
per p e tra tors of th us shoot ings have beenm uc h bet ter  equip pe d.Until  recen t lythusshooti ng s wasmostl ydone wit h 9-mm semi-automatic w eapons . But  fo r
example  bo t h t he batman  the ater shoot erand  Ande rsB ehrin g Br e iv ikh er in 
Nor w ay did us e  a t l e a st  some bulle t r esi sting  eq u ipment  and  assault rifles.It is totallyposs i b letha t  the  n ext shooter wi llha v e  full ta ct ical armorand
a fu ll y  auto maticassaul t rifle w it h  drummaga zin es.
 crowd_is that_ugly, the local PD_should be
called_in._I don't_think_riot dispersal is_really a great_responsibility for
campus police.

Re the_mines: I'm guessing_you_don't get much of a chance to check for mines,
especially on convoy routes. Car_bombs_at checkpoints_(like_the_video I
linked) are probably impossible_to detect before someone is_in the_blast zone.

------
anologwintermut
Colleges of OSU's size have had problems_with_riots after games_and at the end
of frat parties ( in fact,_I believe OSU has had both,_I know they_have_had
football_riots [0]). Vehicles, including_police cars, get flipped and set_on
fire.

Since this is likely surplus military_equipment from the US draw down in_Iraq
bought for cheap, perhaps it was_a cheap way to get_a vehicle_for riot
control?

Certainly, they aren't expected_to drive across_IEDs on_campus.

Keep in mind,_the police forces at large state_schools are actual_sworn law
enforcement officers who carry guns,_arrest_people, and are_responsible_for
crowd_control. OSU_is more than_56k_people, well_past_the point where a town
would have_it's_own police force.

Of course, this says nothing_about whether any police_forces_should have this
type of_equipment.

[0][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHxDZwxloY](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHxDZwxloY)

~~~
gcb1
when 5+ people are going_to pacifically hold signs in some_park they_have to
inform_the authorities so they can provide public "protection".

why a game of_that proportions is different? i take_it that more than_5 people
are_guaranteed_to show up.

------
runarb
To_their_defense: there_has been a worrying trend recently where_the
perpetrators of_thus shootings have been much better_equipped. Until recently
thus shootings_was_mostly done with 9-mm semi-automatic weapons._But for
example both the batman theater_shooter and Anders Behring Breivik_her_in
Norway_did use at least some_bullet resisting equipment and assault rifles.

It_is totally possible_that the next shooter will have full_tactical_armor and
a fully automatic assault rifle_with_drum magazines.