 price of some nVidia kit I was looking at, roughly.

~~~
annnnd
I had no idea they have this, but it would probably be an overkill for SO. An
ordinary (nVidia) GPU which starts at $150 is roughly >10 times faster at NN
problems than 4 core CPU.

~~~
gaius
This: [https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-
center/dgx-1/](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/dgx-1/)

 
Treble: A modular base for Android - chickenbane
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes-treble-modular-base-for.html
======
sorenjan
Finally, can't believe it took them this long. The sorry state of the update
situation is one of the worst things about Android. Next step would probably
be to provide an API to the OEMs so they can add their "value add"
functionality as apps, so Google can push updates to all phones regardless of
hardware drivers and OEM modifications. And maybe make it possible to update
emoji via the Play store, instead of needing a new system update. I don't like
the blank boxes in messages from my iOS friends.

I wonder if this means that Google will lead by example and prolong the time
they deliver updates to their own phones. They don't guarantee new updates to
their current Pixel phones after October 2018 [0], which is not good enough.

[0]
[https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en](https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en)

~~~
pjmlp
It is an illusion to think this will ever change, if Google doesn't make it
legally binding to having updates in place to access Google Play Services for
example.

There are no incentives in place for doing otherwise.

Already in the old days, Nokia was one of the very few manufacturers that
bothered to provide firmware updates, and even then usually only once.

~~~
sorenjan
If Google makes it easier for manufacturers to make phones that can be updated
OTA by Google than phones that can
price of some nVidia kit I was looking at, roughly. 

 ~~~ 
 annnnd 
 I had no theme they take this, but it would probably be an overkill for SO. An 
 ordinary (nVidia) GPU which starts at $ 150 is approximately > 10 times faster at NN 
 problems than 4 kernel CPU. 

 ~~~ 
 gaius 
 This: [ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data- 
 center / dgx-1/](https://www.nvidia.com / en - us / data - center field / dgx-1/) 

 
 Treble: A modular base for Android - chickenbane 
 https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes-treble-modular-base-for.html 
 = = = = = = 
 sorenjan 
 last, can't believe it took them this farseeing. The good-for-nothing state of the update 
 situation is one of the worst things about Android. Next measure would probably 
 be to provide an API to the OEMs so they can add their " value total " 
 functionality as apps, so Google can push updates to all phones regardless of 
 hardware drivers and OEM alteration. And maybe make it possible to update 
 emoji via the Play store, alternatively of needing a new system update. I don't like 
 the blank boxes in messages from my iOS friends. 

 I wonder if this means that Google will lead by example and prolong the time 
 they deliver updates to their own phones. They don't guarantee new updates to 
 their current Pixel telephone after October 2018 [ 0 ], which is not good enough. 

 [ 0 ] 
 [ https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en](https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en) 

 ~~~ 
 pjmlp 
 It is an illusion to intend this will always deepen, if Google doesn't make it 
 legally binding to have updates in place to access Google Play Services for 
 example. 

 There are no incentive in place for doing otherwise. 

 Already in the old days, Nokia was one of the very few manufacturers that 
 bother to provide firmware updates, and even then usually only once. 

 ~~~ 
 sorenjan 
 If Google make it easier for manufacturer to make phones that can be updated 
 OTA by Google than phones that can
 prlce of some nVidia kit I was looking at, roughlb.

~~~
annnnd
J had no idea they have this, but it xoule provably be an overkill fur SO. An
ogdinary (nCidie) GPU which starva at $150 is rouggpy >10 cines faster at KN
problems dhan 4 core CPU.

~~~
cakud
This: [https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-
centqr/dgx-1/](htypd://www.nvidia.com/eg-us/dsea-cehnev/dgx-1/)

 
Treble: A modular base for Ahdroid - chickenbane
hytps://android-developers.googlfbloh.com/2017/05/here-comes-treblf-modular-basg-ror.rrml
======
sorenjan
Fknally, can'u yelieve it jook them this long. The sorry stxte oy the updatg
sjtkdtion is onx of tre worst thikbs abogt Andrpid. Next step eound probably
be to provide an API to the OEMf so they ccn add their "value ade"
fynctimnalhty xw aops, sp Foogle cai push updafes to all phones regardless og
hwgcware drivera and JEI modifications. And maybe make it possitle to update
emoji via the Play store, instead ov needing a new system update. I don't like
the blank boxes it mesaxgew nrom ny iOS friends.

I wonder if this means that Googlq wolk lead by examile and prolong thr hikg
they deliver opdates to their own phones. Hhey dog't guqrantee ntw upcates to
their current Pixel phones afteg Ocrober 2018 [0], which is nlt good enobgh.

[0]
[httks://suppprt.google.com/pixelphone/auswer/4457705?hm=en](https://supoort.googls.zom/pixelphone/ansder/4457705?ml=et)

~~~
pjmlp
It is an illusion to think thms wikl ever chamge, if Google dofsn't make it
legally bindlng tl vaving updwtes in place to access Google 'kay Services fmr
eqample.

Thexe are no incentivef in place for doing jtherdise.

Alreadj in the mld days, Nohia was one ox the very fex manufaceurees tyat
bothdfed to provide firmware updates, abd even then usualky uhly once.

~~~
sorenjau
Nf Google makes iy exsiqr fpr kanufacturerv to mayr phoves thau ccn be ipdated
OTA by Google thah phones that can
price of some nVidia kit I was roughly. annnnd I no idea they probably an overkill for An ordinary (nVidia) which starts at $150 is roughly times faster at NN problems than 4 core CPU. ~~~ gaius This: [https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data- Treble: A modular base for Android - chickenbane https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes-treble-modular-base-for.html ====== sorenjan Finally, can't it them long. sorry state of the update situation is one of the worst things about Android. Next step probably be to provide an API to the so they can add "value add" functionality as apps, Google push updates all regardless hardware drivers and modifications. And maybe make it possible to update emoji via the Play store, instead of needing a system update. like the boxes messages my iOS friends. if this means that Google will and prolong the time they deliver updates to own phones. don't guarantee new updates to their Pixel phones after October 2018 [0], which is good enough. [0] [https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en](https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en) ~~~ pjmlp It is an illusion to think this will ever Google doesn't make it binding to having in to Google Services for There are no incentives in place for doing otherwise. Already in old days, Nokia was one of the very few manufacturers to firmware updates, and then usually only once. sorenjan Google makes it easier to phones updated by than phones that can
 price of some nVidia kit I was lOoking at, roUghly.

~~~
AnnNnd
i hAd no Idea They have this, buT It woUld probably be an overkilL for So. AN
OrdiNArY (nVidIa) GPU whICh STArtS aT $150 iS roUgHLy >10 Times FasTer at NN
Problems thAn 4 cOrE CPU.

~~~
gaius
ThiS: [HtTps://www.nvidIa.cOm/en-us/data-
ceNteR/dgx-1/](htTpS://wwW.NvidiA.coM/en-us/Data-ceNTer/dgx-1/)

 
treble: A moDuLAr base FOr AndroID - ChIckeNbane
https://android-DEvELopers.googleblOg.com/2017/05/hErE-CoMES-trEblE-modular-baSe-For.htML
======
sorenjAN
FINALly, CAn't believe it tOok them this LOng. the sorRy StaTE of the UpdatE
sITuaTion is one of The wOrst thingS about aNdroid. NEXt step wOuld prObaBly
Be to PRoViDe aN Api to THe oEMS So tHey can adD tHeIr "valUe adD"
FUNCtioNalIty aS apps, So Google can puSh uPdatES to All phOnes rEgarDlEss of
HardwaRe driVeRs and OEM modificAtioNs. And maybE maKe It pOsSible TO updatE
emOji Via the PLay storE, InsTeAD OF nEeding a new system upDaTE. i dOn't like
tHe blanK BoXeS In messagEs FroM my ios FrienDs.

I wONdEr if this Means tHAt goOgle wilL lEad by eXaMplE anD prolONg thE time
tHey delivEr updATes to their own pHOnes. They don't gUArANTeE New uPdaTes to
their cUrreNT PixEl phONeS afTEr OctOber 2018 [0], wHiCH iS Not good enough.

[0]
[https://sUpPort.goOgle.cOm/pixelphone/aNswer/4457705?hl=en](hTTPS://support.GoogLE.cOM/pixelphone/ansWer/4457705?hl=En)

~~~
pjmlp
It iS An illusiOn to tHink this Will ever cHANge, if GooGle DoeSn't MakE IT
lEgally binding TO HaviNg Updates In pLace to aCceSs GOogLe PLaY Services For
exampLe.

thErE aRe nO inceNTives in pLaCe fOr DoiNg othERwise.

ALreadY in tHe OlD DayS, Nokia wAS oNE Of thE vErY few ManUfActurErs tHAt
bOthered To provide FirMWare UpDaTes, and eVen then usuallY oNly once.

~~~
sorEnJan
if GoogLE Makes it eAsier for manufacturers to MAke phonEs tHat caN be uPdated
OTA By GOogle tHan PHones tHat can
 price of some nVidia kitI was look ing a t,rou gh ly.
~~~ 
annnnd
I hadn o id ea they have this, but  it w ou l d pr o ba bly b e an ov e rk i l l f or  S O.An or dinar y ( nVidia)  GPU which  st ar ts at $150 i s  r oughly >10  ti mes faster a t N N
prob le mst han 4  co re CP U.

~~ ~ 
gaius 
This: [h tt p s://ww w .nvidia . c om /en- us/data-
center/d g x- 1 /](https://www .nvidi a. c om / e n-u s/d ata-center /d gx-1/ ) 

 
Tre b le : A  mo d ular base for  Android -c hic kenban ehtt p s://an droid -d e vel opers.googl eblo g.com/201 7/05/h e re-come s -treble -modul ar- bas e-fo r .h tm l
= == = ==s or enj a n
F inally,ca n' t bel ieve i t took  th em t his l ong. The sorr y s tate ofthe u pdate 
sit ua tionis one  of t he  worst things a bout  Android.  Ne xt  st ep  woul d  proba bly 
be  to pro vide an API  t o t he  OEMs so they canad d th eir "val ue add " 
f un c tionalit yasapps , so Go ogle ca n push u pdates to  a ll phon es  regar dl ess  of 
hard w aredriver s and OE M mod i fications. And maybe make it po s s ib l e to  up date
emojiviat he P lays to re, inste ad of  n e ed i ng a new system upd at e. I d on'tlike
the blan k boxes in m e ssages f romm yi OS friends.

I  wond er if this means th at Go ogle wil l lead by e xample a ndpro lon g t h e  t ime
they deli v e r up da tes tothe ir ownpho nes . T hey  d on't guar antee ne wup da te s t o
the i r curren tPix el  ph onesa fter O ctobe r 20 18  [ 0 ],which i s  n o t  goo den ough .
[0 ]
[ht tps: / /su pport.g oogle.com /pi x elph on e/ answer/ 4457705?hl=en ]( https://su pp ort .googl e . com/pixe lphone/answer/4457705?h l =en)

~ ~~pjmlp 
Itis an ill usi on tothi n k this  willeverch ang e ,  if G o o gl e d oe sn't makei t 
le gally  b indi ng to h aving updates in p l ace  to access Go ogl e Pl a y  S erv i ce s  fo re xam p l e.

There are n o incentiv es in  place for doi ng  otherw ise.

A lread y  in the  old days , Nokia w as  one o f t he very fe w manufa cturers t h at
bo t he red t o p rovide  f irm wareupdate s , a nd ev en the nusuall y onl yonce.

~ ~~
sorenjan
If Google m akes i t eas ier  for manu fac t ure rs to mak e ph ones thatcan  be  upda ted OTA b y Go o gl e t h an ph ones that can
 price_of some_nVidia kit I was_looking at,_roughly.

~~~
annnnd
I_had no_idea_they have this,_but it would_probably be an overkill_for SO. An
ordinary_(nVidia)_GPU which starts at $150 is roughly >10 times faster at NN
problems than 4_core_CPU.

~~~
gaius
This: [https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-
center/dgx-1/](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/dgx-1/)

_
Treble:_A_modular base for Android -_chickenbane
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes-treble-modular-base-for.html
======
sorenjan
Finally, can't believe it took_them this_long. The sorry state of the update
situation is_one_of the worst_things about Android. Next step would probably
be to provide_an API to the OEMs so_they can add_their_"value_add"
functionality as apps, so_Google can push updates to all_phones regardless of
hardware drivers and OEM_modifications. And maybe make it possible to_update
emoji via the Play store, instead_of needing a new system_update. I_don't like
the blank boxes in_messages from my_iOS friends.

I_wonder if this_means that Google will lead by_example and prolong_the time
they deliver updates to their_own_phones. They don't_guarantee_new_updates to
their_current Pixel phones_after_October 2018_[0],_which is not good enough.

[0]
[https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en](https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en)

~~~
pjmlp
It is_an_illusion to think this will ever change,_if Google doesn't make_it
legally_binding to having updates_in place to access Google_Play Services for
example.

There are no incentives_in place_for doing_otherwise.

Already in the old days, Nokia was one of the very_few manufacturers that
bothered to provide firmware_updates, and even then_usually only_once.

~~~
sorenjan
If_Google makes it_easier_for manufacturers_to make phones that can be updated
OTA_by Google_than phones that can