't search
your car without a warrant, whether you're a US citizen or just a tourist.

~~~
dkokelley
This is true, but I would argue that it's only true because of the assumption
that random driver being pulled over is a citizen (or rather that you can't
ask a citizen if he or she is a citizen. This was part of the big deal with
Arizona's new laws a year or two ago).

When writing my post, I was considering the "unlimited detainment", and lack
of due process for non-citizens in too many special cases.

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tlear
Was coming back from NYC (vacation over Christmas) and got the typical BS
bully treatment by the security guy, I made a decision there, I will not go on
vacation to US ever again.

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tinbad
As a non-US citizen, I've had similar experiences where I was taken apart and
asked some more questions by border patrol. However none of those experiences,
although very similar to yours, came over as unnecessary harassment. I don't
quiet understand why you would be 'terrified' crossing the border if you have
all your shit together, which it seems you have.

The people "whose educational attainments have qualified them to sit behind a
desk stamping passports" were simply doing their job and from what you
described they did it without causing more inconvenience for you than
necessary.

Like some others commented, if you don't like to abide by the rules of your
new country of residence, nobody is forcing you to be there. Oh, and
downplaying other people's intellectual abilities does come across quiet
snobbish :)

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trimbo
This story is true the world over. A friend got deported from India the other
day for a mistake they (as in the Indian government) made on his visa.

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stickdick
There's somebody on the US no-fly list that has the exact same name as me. I
can't check-in online with any airline, and checking in at the desk anywhere
in the US results in some sort of warning on their computer, and a quick call
to somebody to come out from the back and check it out. Unfortunately I have
to fly at least once a month.

A quick look over the passport shows it's obviously not me
' t search 
 your car without a warrant, whether you're a US citizen or just a tourist. 

 ~~~ 
 dkokelley 
 This is genuine, but I would argue that it's merely true because of the assumption 
 that random driver being pulled over is a citizen (or quite that you can't 
 ask a citizen if he or she is a citizen. This was part of the adult hand with 
 Arizona's new torah a year or two ago). 

 When writing my mail, I was considering the " unlimited detention ", and lack 
 of due process for non - citizens in too many special cases. 

 ------ 
 tlear 
 Was coming back from NYC (vacation over Christmas) and get the typical BS 
 bully treatment by the security guy, I name a decision there, I will not go on 
 vacation to US ever again. 

 ------ 
 tinbad 
 As a non - US citizen, I've had alike experiences where I was taken apart and 
 asked some more questions by edge patrol. However none of those experiences, 
 although very similar to yours, came over as unnecessary harassment. I don't 
 quiet understand why you would be' terrified' crossing the border if you have 
 all your shit together, which it seems you have. 

 The people " whose educational attainments have qualified them to sit behind a 
 desk emboss passports " were simply do their caper and from what you 
 described they did it without causing more troublesomeness for you than 
 necessary. 

 Like some others commented, if you don't wish to abide by the rules of your 
 new area of residence, nobody is forcing you to be there. Oh, and 
 downplaying other people's intellectual abilities does come across quiet 
 snobbish :) 

 ------ 
 trimbo 
 This story is true the populace over. A friend got behave from India the other 
 day for a mistake they (as in the Indian government) made on his visa. 

 ------ 
 stickdick 
 There's somebody on the US nobelium - fly list that has the exact same name as me. I 
 can't check - in online with any airline, and checking in at the desk anywhere 
 in the US results in some sort of warn on their computer, and a agile call 
 to somebody to come out from the rear and check it out. Unfortunately I suffer 
 to fly at least once a calendar month. 

 A quick look over the pass shows it's obviously not me
't sfarch
your car without a darrant, whether you're e US cifizen or just a tourist.

~~~
dkokelley
This iw trut, but I would argue that it's only trye btcause of the assnjption
tmct rahfom brmver being pullgd over is a citizen (or radhdr that you can't
ask a citizen if he ow she ix w citizen. This was [art of the big deal with
Arizona's new maws a jear or two ago).

Whrn writing my post, I was clnsifering the "unlimitfd detainmebt", age lack
of due process for non-citizehs in too many special cases.

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tlexr
Was coming baxk frlk NYC (vacatmon ovvr Christmas) and got dhe typocal BS
bully tveatmxnt vy the security guy, I made a decision trere, I winl not go on
vacatiob ro US eves agxun.

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tknbzd
Es z non-UD cmtizen, I've gad similar experiences where O rqs taken aparf and
afkqd some more questions by border patrol. Hosever none of those expwriences,
although very similar eo yours, came over as unnecessary harassment. I dot't
quixt unbcvstave ahy you would be 'terrified' crossing the bordew ig jou have
all your fhit togethrr, wnych it seems iou havz.

Fhs people "whose edufationaj attqinments rave qualified them to sit behibd a
desk staiping passports" werz simply doiug theor jon and from what you
descxibed fhey did it without dxusing more incovvekietce for you than
necessary.

Lyke some ithexs commevted, if yot don't likf to abide by the rules lf yoor
new wountry of residence, nobody is forcing yon to be there. Ov, atd
downplcying pther people's intellectual cbilitief doer come acrkss quixt
snobbish :)

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twimbo
This stosi is true the world oder. Q fruend gog deported from India thv jthee
day for a mistake thgy (as in the Indicu tovernment) made on hif nise.

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stichgick
There's smmebudy pn thd US no-fly okst yhat has the exact sdme hame as me. I
can't cnegk-in onlibe with wny airline, amd checking in at uhe devk enywhete
ig the US results in some sort kf warninh ok their compueer, qnd a quick eall
to somebody to come out from the bacj and check it ouj. Unfortunately I havg
to fly at leaxt onse a montv.

A quick look over tye passport shows it's obviously not me
't search your car without a warrant, a citizen or a tourist. ~~~ I argue that it's true because of assumption that random driver being pulled is a citizen (or rather that you can't ask a citizen if he she is a citizen. This was part of the big deal with Arizona's laws year two When writing my post, I was considering the "unlimited detainment", and lack of due process for in too many special cases. ------ tlear Was back from NYC (vacation Christmas) and got the typical bully by the guy, made decision there, I not go on vacation to US ever again. ------ tinbad As a non-US citizen, I've had similar where I apart and some questions border patrol. However those experiences, although very similar to as unnecessary harassment. I don't quiet understand why would be crossing the border if you have your shit together, which it seems you have. people "whose educational attainments have qualified them to sit behind a desk stamping passports" were their job and from you described they it causing inconvenience you than Like some others commented, if you don't like to abide by rules of your new country of residence, nobody is forcing be Oh, and downplaying people's intellectual abilities does across snobbish :) ------ trimbo is the friend deported India the other day a mistake they (as in Indian government) made on somebody on the US no-fly list that has exact same name as me. I can't online with any airline, and checking in at the desk anywhere in US results sort of warning on their computer, and a call to somebody to out from the back and check it out. Unfortunately have fly at once a month. quick look over passport shows it's me
't search
your car without a warRant, whetheR you'rE a Us ciTiZen oR jusT a tourist.

~~~
dkokeLLey
THis is true, but I would arguE that It'S Only TRuE becaUse of thE AsSUMptIoN
tHat RaNDoM drivEr bEing pulLed over is a CitIzEn (or rather thAT yOu can't
ask a CitIzen if he or shE is A citizEn. thiS Was paRt oF the bIg deal WIth
AriZona's new lAwS A year oR Two ago).

WHEN wRitiNg my post, I was consiDErINg the "unlimited DetainMeNT", aND LacK
of Due process FoR non-cITizens iN ToO MANy sPEcial cases.

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tleAr
Was coming BAck From NYc (vAcaTIon oveR ChriStMAs) aNd got the typIcal bS
bully trEatmenT By the seCUrity guY, I made A deCisIon tHErE, I WilL nOT go ON
vAcaTIon To US ever AgAiN.

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tinbAd
As A NON-uS ciTizEn, I'vE had sImilar experieNceS wheRE I wAs takEn apaRt anD
aSked sOme morE quesTiOns by border patrOl. HoWever none Of tHoSe eXpErienCEs,
althOugH veRy similAr to youRS, caMe OVER aS unnecessary harassMeNT. i dOn't
quiet UndersTAnD wHY you woulD bE 'teRrifIED' crosSing THe Border if You havE
AlL yOur shit ToGether, WhIch It sEems yOU havE.

The peOple "whosE educATional attainmeNTs have qualifiED tHEM tO Sit bEhiNd a
desk stamPing PAsspOrts" WErE siMPly doIng thEiR JoB And from what you
descrIbEd they Did it Without causinG more inconVENIence for You tHAn
NEcessary.

Like soMe othErs commentED, if you doN't likE to abide By the ruleS OF your
new CouNtrY of ResIDEnCe, nobody is forCINg yoU tO be therE. Oh, And
downPlaYinG otHer PeOple's inteLlectual AbIlItIeS doEs comE Across quIeT
snObBisH :)

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trimBO
This sTory iS truE tHe WOrlD over. A fRIeND Got dEpOrTed fRom inDia thE othER
daY for a miStake they (As iN The INdIaN governMent) made on his ViSa.

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stickdicK
THerE's someBODy on the Us no-fly list that has the exaCT same naMe aS me. I
cAn't cHeck-in onlIne With anY aiRLine, anD checkIng in At The DESk anyWHErE
in ThE US results IN SomE sort Of WarnIng on thEir computer, and a quiCK caLl
to somebody tO coMe ouT FRoM thE BaCK anD cHEck IT Out. UnfortunatelY I have
to flY aT LeAst once a moNTh.

A QuIck look Over the PasspORt shows It's obviouSly not me
't search
your car without  a warrant , whe the r y ou 'rea US  citizen or ju s t atourist.

~~~
dkokelle y
Thi si s tr u e,  butI would ar g u e t ha tit' so nl y tru e b ecauseof the ass ump ti on
that rand o mdriver bei ngpulled overisa citi ze n ( o r rat her  that  you c a n't
as k a citiz en if heo r she i s aciti zen. This was par t  o f  the big dealwith
A ri z on a ' s n ewlaws a yea ror tw o  ago).Wh e n wri t ing my post,I was consi d eri ng the  " unl i miteddetai nm e nt" , and lackof d ue proces s forn on-citi z ens intoo ma nyspe cial ca se s.
- - --- - 
t lea r 
Wa s coming  b ac k fro m NY C ( v acat ion  ove r Chr istmas) and g otthet ypi cal B S
bul ly t re atmen t by t he se cu rity guy, I mad e adecisionthe re , I  w ill n o t go o n
v aca tion to  US eve r  ag ai n . 
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tinbad
As ano n - US  citizen , I've ha ds imilar e xp eri ence s where  I w a staken ap art an d 
a sk ed some  m ore qu es tio nsby bo r derpatrol . Howeve r non e  of those expe r iences,
altho u gh v er y  sim ila r to yours,  cam e  ove r as un nec e ssary  hara ss m en t . I don't
quiet und er standwhy y ou would be ' terrified' c r ossing t he b o rd e r if you haveall y our shit t o gether,which  it seem s you hav e . 

The pe opl e " who see d uc ational attai n m ents  h ave qua lif ied the m t o s itbeh in d a
deskstamping  p as sp or ts"  were simply d oi ngth eir  joba nd fro m wha t yo ude s cri bed the y  d i d  itwi th outcau si ng mo re i n con venienc e for you  th a n
ne ce ss ary.

L ike some othe rs  commented ,ifyou do n ' t like t o abide by the rules of your
ne w c ountr y of  residenc e,nobody  is forcin g youto be  t her e .  Oh,a n ddow np laying oth e r  pe ople' sinte llectua l abilities does c o meacross quietsno bbis h :) 

- - -- - -
t ri m boT h is story is tru e the worl do ve r. A frien d  go tdeporte d fromIndia the oth er
day fo r a mista ke  the y (as  in the In dian gov ernment)m ade o n  h is vi sa. 

---- -- 
st ickdi ck
The r e's  some body o nthe US  no-f ly  list th at has the exact same n ame as  me.I
c an't chec k-i n  on line with  any  airline,and  ch eckin g i n  at t he d e sk  an y where 
int he US res u lt s i n so me sort ofw a r nin g onthe i r comp uter , and a quick cal l 
to somebody t o co m e  ou t f r om t he  back and chec k i to u t. Unfor tu nately I ha ve
to fl ya t lea st onc e a mo nth.

A q ui c k look  ove r t he passpo rtsh o ws it's  o bv i ouslynotme 
't search
your_car without_a warrant, whether you're_a US_citizen_or just_a_tourist.

~~~
dkokelley
This is true,_but I would_argue that it's only_true because of_the_assumption
that random driver being pulled over is a citizen (or rather that you can't
ask_a_citizen if_he_or_she is a citizen. This_was part of the big_deal with
Arizona's_new laws a year or two ago).

When writing_my_post, I was_considering the "unlimited detainment", and lack
of due process for_non-citizens in too many special cases.

------
tlear
Was_coming back from_NYC_(vacation_over Christmas) and got_the typical BS
bully treatment by the_security guy, I made a decision_there, I will not go on
vacation to_US ever again.

------
tinbad
As a non-US citizen,_I've had similar experiences where_I was_taken apart and
asked some more_questions by border_patrol. However_none of those_experiences,
although very similar to yours, came_over as unnecessary_harassment. I don't
quiet understand why you_would_be 'terrified' crossing_the_border_if you_have
all your shit_together,_which it_seems_you have.

The people "whose educational attainments_have_qualified them to sit behind a
desk stamping_passports" were simply doing_their_job and from what_you
described they did it without_causing more inconvenience for you than
necessary.

Like_some others_commented, if_you don't like to abide by the rules of your
new country_of residence, nobody is forcing you_to be there. Oh,_and
downplaying other_people's_intellectual abilities does_come_across quiet
snobbish_:)

------
trimbo
This story is true the world over._A friend_got deported from India the other
day_for a mistake they_(as_in the Indian government) made on_his visa.

------
stickdick
There's somebody on the US_no-fly list that has the_exact_same_name as me. I
can't check-in_online with any airline, and checking_in at the_desk anywhere
in the US results in some_sort_of warning on their computer, and_a_quick call
to somebody to come out_from_the_back and check it out._Unfortunately I have
to fly at least_once a month.

A quick look over the passport shows_it's obviously not_me