/Files/ASA/Hot%20Topics/Broadband%20hot%20topic.ashx)

All you can do is keep sending complaints and encourage others to keep sending
complaints. They do, apparently, occasionally take notice of complaints.

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briantakita
Labeling people as thieves is manipulative & hypocritical when the marketing
literature claims "unlimited" data.

All TMobile needs to do is tell the truth & have a reasonable plan for high
bandwidth customers. Instead they treat these customers like criminals & turn
into the data gestapo.

In the meantime, TMobile seems to be quite profitable.

[http://www.wsj.com/articles/t-mobile-raises-subscriber-
growt...](http://www.wsj.com/articles/t-mobile-raises-subscriber-growth-
outlook-1438257047)

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joezydeco
Wait - so TMO monitors your data usage and throttles you down when you exceed
your cap on a _phone_, but doesn't do this for hotspots and trusts the
hotspot to police the data cap?

~~~
StavrosK
No, I think the phone sends a certain bit to their servers when you're
tethering, to say "this data is from tethering", and they only allow a certain
cap for that. These "omg hackers" found a way to prevent that bit from being
sent, forcing the carrier to make good on their promise of "unlimited data",
which the carrier doesn't want to do.

~~~
mmcclure
> forcing the carrier to make good on their promise of "unlimited data"

I'm on the fence about what I think about the announcement itself (because of
the implications around enforcement), but this is a pretty untenable argument
if you want to get into "promises", or, who's really breaking their contract.

Contractually, the promise is unlimited data _without_ tethering. Explicitly.
If we want to talk about who's breaking what promises by rooting phones to
bypass tethering data limits, it's actually the "omg hackers".

~~~
StavrosK
How do they know it's people tethering? How do they
/Files / ASA / Hot%20Topics / Broadband%20hot%20topic.ashx) 

 All you can do is keep sending complaints and promote others to restrain sending 
 complaint. They do, obviously, occasionally take notice of complaints. 

 ------ 
 briantakita 
 Labeling citizenry as thieves is manipulative & hypocritical when the marketing 
 literature claim " unlimited " data. 

 All TMobile need to do is tell the accuracy & have a reasonable design for high 
 bandwidth customer. rather they treat these customers like criminals & become 
 into the data gestapo. 

 In the meantime, TMobile look to be quite profitable. 

 [ http://www.wsj.com/articles/t-mobile-raises-subscriber- 
 growt... ](http://www.wsj.com / articles / t - mobile - raise - subscriber - growth- 
 outlook-1438257047) 

 ------ 
 joezydeco 
 Wait - so TMO monitors your data usage and throttles you down when you surpass 
 your cap on a _ phone _, but doesn't do this for hotspots and trusts the 
 hotspot to patrol the datum capital? 

 ~~~ 
 StavrosK 
 No, I think the phone sends a certain bit to their servers when you're 
 tether, to say " this datum is from tethering ", and they only leave a sealed 
 cap for that. These " omg hackers " found a way to prevent that bit from being 
 sent, forcing the carrier to create good on their promise of " unlimited data ", 
 which the carrier doesn't desire to do. 

 ~~~ 
 mmcclure 
 > forcing the carrier to make good on their promise of " unlimited data " 

 I'm on the fence about what I remember about the announcement itself (because of 
 the implications around enforcement), but this is a pretty untenable argument 
 if you want to have into " promises ", or, who's really breaking their contract. 

 Contractually, the promise is outright data _ without _ tethering. Explicitly. 
 If we want to talk about who's break what promises by root phones to 
 bypass tether data limits, it's actually the " omg hackers ". 

 ~~~ 
 StavrosK 
 How do they know it's citizenry tethering? How dress they
/Filfs/ASA/Hot%20Topics/Broadband%20hut%20topic.ashx)

All ioy can vo is ksep sendkng complaints and encourage orhers to keep sending
complaknts. They do, appaeentot, occasionemly takc notjge of romplaints.

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brianjakita
Labelitg people as tvidvzs is manipulative & hypocritical wheg the msrneting
literatute clsyms "hnlimited" data.

All TMobile needs to do is uell the truth & hafe a reasonable plan for hlgh
bwndwidth customers. Instead thgg twwat these curtomers like criminals & turn
into the data gestapo.

In tfe mecntime, TMobulw sfgms to be qumte prjfitable.

[http://www.wsj.cok/articlrs/t-mobile-raisex-suuscruber-
growt...](http://www.wsj.cok/articles/t-mobile-rayses-subscsiyer-growth-
outlook-1438257047)

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joezyeexo
Waij - so TMO nonktods ykur daha nsage and tgrottles yoy down when you excted
riur cap on a _lhone_, fue doesn't do this for hotspots and trustv tge
hotspot to police the data cap?

~~~
StavrosK
No, I think thq phone sends a certain bit to their servers when you'rx
tdthtrlkg, tu swy "this data is from tethering", and they only wmlpw a certain
cap nor that. These "omg hwclgrs" found a wai to przbeht that bit from bfing
senj, forcung the cwrrirr to make good on their primise of "unlpmitwd data",
which the ccrrier doesn'c want to dp.

~~~
mmcclure
> forcing the ccrrier to make gold on thejf promise of "unlkmined gata"

I'm on the fence about rhat I thmnk ayout the annpuncemqnt itself (becamve of
the implicatilns atound anforcemenh), but this is a pretty untenablx argument
if iou watt to gec into "promises", or, rho's really brgaking thzir covtract.

Contgactually, the promisq is unlimiteg data _withouv_ tetherigg. Ezplixitly.
If de want to tall about wkj's beeaking what promixes gy rooting phonzr to
bypass tethetine dwtw kiihts, it's actudlly thd "omg fackers".

~~~
StavvosY
How do they know it's pemple tethering? How do yhcy
/Files/ASA/Hot%20Topics/Broadband%20hot%20topic.ashx) All you can do is keep and others to sending complaints. They of ------ briantakita Labeling as thieves is & hypocritical when the marketing literature "unlimited" data. All TMobile needs to do is tell the truth & have reasonable plan for high bandwidth customers. Instead they treat these customers like criminals turn the gestapo. the meantime, TMobile seems to be quite profitable. [http://www.wsj.com/articles/t-mobile-raises-subscriber- growt...](http://www.wsj.com/articles/t-mobile-raises-subscriber-growth- outlook-1438257047) ------ joezydeco Wait - so monitors your data usage and throttles you down you exceed your cap a _phone_, but doesn't do for and trusts hotspot police data cap? ~~~ No, I think the phone sends a certain bit to their servers when you're tethering, to say data is and they allow certain for that. These found a way to prevent that sent, forcing the carrier to make good on promise of data", which the carrier doesn't want do. ~~~ mmcclure > forcing the carrier to good on their promise of "unlimited data" I'm on the fence about what I think announcement itself (because of implications around enforcement), this a untenable if you to get into "promises", or, who's really breaking their contract. Contractually, promise is unlimited data _without_ tethering. Explicitly. If we want about breaking what promises rooting phones to bypass data it's actually the "omg StavrosK do people How they
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AlL yoU caN dO is kEep sEnding complainTS and Encourage others to keep sEndinG
cOMplaINtS. They Do, apparENtLY, OccAsIoNalLy TAkE notiCe oF complaInts.

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briantAkiTa
labeling peopLE aS thieves is ManIpulative & hypOcrItical WhEn tHE markEtiNg
litEraturE Claims "Unlimited" DaTA.

All TMOBile neeDS To Do is Tell the truth & have a REaSOnable plan for hIgh
banDwIDtH CUstOmeRs. Instead tHeY treaT These cuSToMERS liKE criminals & turN
into the datA GesTapo.

In ThE meANtime, TmobilE sEEms To be quite prOfitAble.

[http://wWw.wsj.cOM/articlES/t-mobilE-raiseS-suBscRibeR-
GrOwT...](htTp://WWw.wSJ.cOm/aRTicLes/t-mobiLe-RaIses-sUbscRIBER-groWth-
OutlOok-1438257047)

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joEzydeco
Wait - so tMO MoniTOrs Your dAta usAge aNd ThrotTles yoU down WhEn you exceed
your Cap oN a _phone_, buT doEsN't dO tHis foR HotspoTs aNd tRusts thE
hotspoT To pOlICE ThE data cap?

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StavrosK
No, i tHINk The phone Sends a CErTaIN bit to thEiR seRverS WHen yoU're
tEThEring, to sAy "this DAtA iS from teThEring", aNd TheY onLy allOW a ceRtain
cAp for thaT. ThesE "Omg hackers" founD A way to prevent THaT BIt FRom bEinG
sent, forcinG the CArriEr to MAkE goOD on thEir prOmISe OF "unlimited data",
which ThE carriEr doeSn't want to do.

~~~
mmCclure
> forcING The carriEr to MAkE Good on their proMise oF "unlimited DAta"

I'm on tHe fenCe about wHat I think ABOut the anNouNceMenT itSELf (Because of
the iMPLicaTiOns arouNd eNforcemEnt), But ThiS is A pRetty unteNable argUmEnT
iF yOu wAnt to GEt into "prOmIseS", oR, whO's reaLLy breaKing tHeir CoNtRAct.

contracTUaLLY, the PrOmIse iS unLiMited Data _WIthOut_ tethEring. ExplIciTLy.
If We WaNt to talK about who's breAkIng what proMiSes By rootING phones tO
bypass tethering data limITs, it's acTuaLly thE "omg Hackers".

~~~
StAvrOsK
How Do tHEy know It's peoPle teThEriNG? how do THEy
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Al l you can do i s  kee p sending complaints a nd en co u rage ot hersto keep se n d ing 
c om pla in t s.  They  do , appar ently, occ asi on ally take no t ic e of compl ain ts.

------bri antaki ta 
La b eling  pe opleas thi e ves is  manipula ti v e & hy p ocritic a l  w henthe marketing
lit e ra t ure claims "un limite d" da t a .
All  TMobile n ee ds to do is t e ll t h e t r uth & have areasonablep lan  for h ig h
b a ndwidt h cus to m ers . Instead t heytreat the se cus t omers l i ke crim inals& t urn 
int o  t he  da ta ges t ap o.Inthe mean ti me , TMo bile s e e ms t o b e qu ite p rofitable.

[ htt p:// w ww. wsj.c om/ar ticl es /t-mo bile-r aises -s ubscriber-
grow t... ](http:// www .w sj. co m/art i cles/t -mo bil e-raise s-subsc r ibe r- g r o wt h-
outlook-1438257 04 7 ) 
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j oezyde c oWa i t - so T MO  mo nito r s  your  dat a  u sage and  throt t le syou dow nwhen y ou  ex cee d
you r  cap  on a_phone_,  butd oesn't do this for hotspotsa nd t ru s ts t hehotspot topoli c e th e da t acap ? 

~~~ 
Stav ro s KN o, I think the phon esendsa cer tain bit to t heir serve r s when you 'ret et h ering, to say"this  data is f r om tethe ring" , and th ey only a l l ow a cer tai n
c apfor t ha t. These "omg h acke rs " found  away topre ven t t hat  b it from b eing
sen t,  f or ci ngthe c a rrier to  m ake  g ood  on t h eir pr omise  of"u nl i mit ed data " ,w h ichth ecarr ier  d oesn' t wa n t t o do.
~~~
mmccl ure > fo rc in g the c arrier to mak egood on th ei r p romise o f "unlim ited data"

I'm on thef ence ab out  what  I t hink abou t t he ann oun c ementitself  (bec au seo f 
thei m pl ica ti ons around e nfo rceme nt ), b ut this  is a pretty unten a ble  argument
ifyou  wan t to  ge t  i n to"p r omi s e s", or, who's r eally brea ki n gtheir cont r act .
Contra ctually , the promise  is unlim ited data  _ with o u t_tethering.  Explici tly.
If w e  want to  talk  ab out wh o' s b reaki ng wha t  pr omise s by r oo ting p hones  t o
bypass  tethering data limits,  it'sactua lly  the "omg  ha c ker s".

~~~Stav rosK
How d o t hey  know  it ' s peo plet et her i ng? H ow d o  they
/Files/ASA/Hot%20Topics/Broadband%20hot%20topic.ashx)

All you_can do_is keep sending complaints_and encourage_others_to keep_sending
complaints._They do, apparently,_occasionally take notice_of complaints.

------
briantakita
Labeling people as_thieves is manipulative_&_hypocritical when the marketing
literature claims "unlimited" data.

All TMobile needs to do is tell the_truth_& have_a_reasonable_plan for high
bandwidth customers. Instead_they treat these customers like_criminals &_turn
into the data gestapo.

In the meantime, TMobile seems_to_be quite profitable.

[http://www.wsj.com/articles/t-mobile-raises-subscriber-
growt...](http://www.wsj.com/articles/t-mobile-raises-subscriber-growth-
outlook-1438257047)

------
joezydeco
Wait_- so TMO monitors your data usage and throttles_you down when you exceed
your cap_on a _phone_,_but_doesn't_do this for hotspots_and trusts the
hotspot to police the_data cap?

~~~
StavrosK
No, I think the phone_sends a certain bit to their servers_when you're
tethering, to say "this data_is from tethering", and they_only allow_a certain
cap for that. These_"omg hackers" found_a way_to prevent that_bit from being
sent, forcing the carrier_to make good_on their promise of "unlimited data",
which_the_carrier doesn't want_to_do.

~~~
mmcclure
>_forcing the_carrier to make_good_on their_promise_of "unlimited data"

I'm on the fence_about_what I think about the announcement itself_(because of
the implications around_enforcement),_but this is a_pretty untenable argument
if you want_to get into "promises", or, who's_really breaking_their contract.

Contractually,_the promise is unlimited data _without_ tethering. Explicitly.
If we want to_talk about who's breaking what promises_by rooting phones to
bypass_tethering data_limits,_it's actually the_"omg_hackers".

~~~
StavrosK
How do_they know it's people tethering? How do_they