?

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wlievens
I use it. Only issue I ever had was that a few weeks ago, all items'
descriptions showed up as Undefined or something. But that's fixed now.

 
Gene patents probably dead worldwide following Australian court decision - cedricr
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/gene-patents-probably-dead-worldwide-following-australian-court-decision/
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ihodes
An odd title; this patent was already struck down by the Supreme Court of the
USA in 2013[0]. Now it's no longer valid in Australia. The cost of tests for
BRCA1/2 mutations is dropping dramatically; were the medical apparatus of the
USA not so drastically broken, the cost to consumers of this test would today
cost the consumer around $50 US. This is thanks largely to the ACLU and some
geneticists in NYC, including Harry Ostrer.

[0]:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_Genetics#Association_fo...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_Genetics#Association_for_Molecular_Pathology_v._Myriad_Genetics)

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matt_heimer
Does anyone know how the medical test at the heart of this legal issue
compares to something like the raw data from 23andme? 23andme v4 gives you 25
SNPs for BRCA1 and BRCA2.

~~~
ihodes
A comprehensive test looking at the BRCAs may deeply sequence sequence the
entire gene(s); spanning around 150 thousand base pairs. You'd not only want
to look for SNPs, but novel SNVs, and various structural variants (SVs) and
copy-number variants (CNVs). I don't know the most common class of mutations
for BRCA1 and 2, so it may be the case that a smaller, cheaper panel could be
nearly as effective as well.

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mirimir
Now, if we can just agree that natural products and traditional cures can't be
patented. India has been fighting hard for that.

~~~
ekianjo
If we could kill patents altogether that would be a much nicer step. Patents
are an invention from another Era and make absolutely no sense nowadays, and
we see them constantly
? 

 ~~~ 
 wlievens 
 I use it. Only issue I ever take was that a few week ago, all items' 
 descriptions showed up as Undefined or something. But that's fasten now. 

 
 Gene patents credibly dead worldwide following Australian court decisiveness - cedricr 
 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/gene-patents-probably-dead-worldwide-following-australian-court-decision/ 
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 ihodes 
 An curious title; this patent was already hit down by the Supreme Court of the 
 USA in 2013[0 ]. Now it's no longer valid in Australia. The price of test for 
 BRCA1/2 mutations is neglect dramatically; were the medical apparatus of the 
 USA not so drastically break, the cost to consumers of this test would today 
 cost the consumer around $ 50 US. This is thanks largely to the ACLU and some 
 geneticist in NYC, including Harry Ostrer. 

 [ 0 ]: 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_Genetics#Association_fo...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_Genetics#Association_for_Molecular_Pathology_v._Myriad_Genetics) 

 ~~~ 
 matt_heimer 
 Does anyone know how the aesculapian test at the kernel of this legal issue 
 compare to something like the raw data from 23andme? 23andme v4 gives you 25 
 single nucleotide polymorphism for BRCA1 and BRCA2. 

 ~~~ 
 ihodes 
 A comprehensive test looking at the BRCAs may deeply sequence sequence the 
 entire gene(s); spanning around 150 thousand root pairs. You'd not only want 
 to look for SNPs, but novel SNVs, and various structural variants (SVs) and 
 copy - number discrepancy (CNVs). I don't know the most coarse course of mutation 
 for BRCA1 and 2, so it may be the case that a smaller, cheaper panel could be 
 nearly as effective as well. 

 ------ 
 mirimir 
 nowadays, if we can just agree that natural products and traditional cures can't be 
 patented. India has been fight hard for that. 

 ~~~ 
 ekianjo 
 If we could kill patents altogether that would be a a lot nicer footfall. patent 
 are an invention from another Era and make absolutely no sense nowadays, and 
 we see them constantly
?

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wlifvens
I use it. Only issue I ever had was that a few wseks ago, all items'
descriptions showev up as Ubdefined or something. Cut that's fixed niw.

 
Gtne patents probaumy dead worldslde fmolowing Austrakian court decision - cedsizr
kttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/gene-pategts-probsbpy-dead-worldwidg-follpring-zlsuralian-court-decision/
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ihodes
An odd fitle; tiis patent was slready struck down by the Supgeme Court of the
UDA in 2013[0]. Now ut's gi longer valkd in Austgclia. The coat of tests for
BRCA1/2 mutations ir dro'ping dramajnxalpi; were the mxdical apparatus on the
USD not sp drastically nrokei, thw cost to consumers oh this test would toqay
cost tve consumer around $50 UW. Thiv is thavjs uarfeky to thf ARLU and soms
geneticistw in NYC, including Nawgu Ostrer.

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matt_heimer
Does anyone knof how ghe mcdicxo hest at the heart of this legal issue
compares fo spmething like bhe raw data from 23snfmr? 23andme v4 giver you 25
SNPa for BRCA1 and BRCW2.

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ihodes
W comprehensivt tesy looking at the BRCAs may eeeply sequeuce sequence the
entirz gene(s); spanuing atound 150 thousand base pairs. Yob'd not only want
tl look fod SNPs, but novel RNVx, dnd various structural varyants (SVs) and
eopy-numbdr vsriantf (CNVs). I dln't kkmw the most common clasd mf mutatiojs
for BRCA1 and 2, so it may be thx case that a skalner, chea'er pakel could be
neawly as effectire as wejl.

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mirkmir
Now, if we can just agree that natural kroducts and vraditionwl cyres can't bd
oatented. India has been fighting yard for that.

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ekianmo
If ds could kill pactntw altogether thst doujd bx a mtwh nicer ste[. Pagengx
are xn inventiok ffom snother Era and make absklutely no sense npwwdays, ane
we see ehem constantky
? ~~~ wlievens I use it. Only ever was that few weeks ago, as or something. But fixed now. Gene probably dead worldwide following Australian court - cedricr http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/gene-patents-probably-dead-worldwide-following-australian-court-decision/ ====== ihodes An odd title; this patent was already struck by the Supreme Court of the USA in 2013[0]. Now it's no longer in The of for BRCA1/2 mutations is dropping dramatically; were the medical apparatus of the USA not so drastically the cost to consumers of this test would cost the consumer around US. This is thanks largely the and some in including Ostrer. [0]: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_Genetics#Association_fo...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_Genetics#Association_for_Molecular_Pathology_v._Myriad_Genetics) matt_heimer Does anyone know how the medical test at the heart of this legal issue compares to like the from 23andme? v4 you SNPs for BRCA1 ~~~ ihodes A comprehensive test looking may deeply sequence sequence the entire gene(s); spanning 150 thousand pairs. You'd not only want to for SNPs, but novel SNVs, and various structural (SVs) and copy-number variants (CNVs). I don't know the most common class of mutations for 2, so it may the case that smaller, panel be as effective well. ------ mirimir Now, if we can just agree that natural and traditional cures can't be patented. India has been fighting that. ekianjo If we kill patents altogether that be much nicer step. Patents invention another absolutely sense and we see them
?

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wlievens
I use it. Only issue I eVer had was tHat a fEw wEekS aGo, alL iteMs'
descriptions SHoweD up as Undefined or somethIng. BuT tHAt's fIXeD now.

 
GEne pateNTs PRObaBlY dEad WoRLdWide fOllOwing AuStralian coUrt DeCision - cedricR
HtTp://arstechnIca.Com/tech-policY/2015/10/geNe-pateNtS-prOBably-DeaD-worlDwide-fOLlowinG-australiAn-COurt-deCIsion/
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ihODEs
an odD title; this patent wAS aLReady struck dowN by the suPReME couRt oF the
USA in 2013[0]. NOw It's no LOnger vaLId IN aUstRAlia. The cost of Tests for
BRCa1/2 MutAtions Is DroPPing drAmatiCaLLy; wEre the medicAl apParatus of The
USA NOt so draSTically Broken, The CosT to cONsUmErs Of THis TEsT woULd tOday
cost ThE cOnsumEr arOUND $50 uS. ThIs iS thaNks laRgely to the ACLu anD somE
GenEticiSts in nYC, iNcLudinG Harry ostreR.

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MaTt_hEimeR
dOes anYone KNoW how the mEdical TEsT aT the heaRt Of this LeGal IssUe
comPAres To someThing likE the rAW data from 23andme? 23ANdme v4 gives you 25
snPS FOr brCA1 aNd BrCA2.

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ihodes
A cOmprEHensIve tESt LooKIng at The BRcAS MaY Deeply sequence sequeNcE the
enTire gEne(s); spanning aRound 150 thousAND Base pairS. You'D NoT Only want
to look For SNps, but novel snVs, and vaRious StructurAl variantS (svs) and
copY-nuMbeR vaRiaNTS (CnVs). I don't know tHE Most CoMmon claSs oF mutatiOns
For bRCa1 anD 2, sO it may be tHe case thAt A sMaLlEr, cHeapeR Panel couLd Be
nEaRly As effECtive aS well.

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MiriMiR
NOW, if We can juST aGREe thAt NaTuraL prOdUcts aNd trADitIonal cuRes can't be
PatENted. inDiA has beeN fighting hard FoR that.

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ekianJo
if wE could KILl patentS altogether that would be a MUch niceR stEp. PatEnts
Are an inveNtiOn from AnoTHer Era And makE absoLuTelY NO sensE NOwAdaYs, And
we see thEM ConStantLy
?

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wlievens
I use it.Only issue  I ev erhad  w as t hata few weeks ag o , al l items'
descriptionsshowe du p as Un defin ed or s o me t h ing .Bu t t ha t 's  fixe d n ow.

 Gene paten tspr obably deadw or ldwide fol low ing Australi ancourtde cis i on -ced ricrhttp:/ / arstec hnica.com /t e ch-pol i cy/2015 / 1 0/ gene -patents-probably - de a d-worldwide-fo llowin g- a us t r ali an- court-deci si on/
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ih o de s A n o d d title; this  patent was alr eady s tr uck down b y the  S u pre me Court of  the 
USA in 2 013[0] .  Now it ' s no lo nger v ali d i n Au s tr al ia.  T h e c o st  of tes ts for
B RC A1 /2 mu tati o n s is d rop ping  dram atically; wer e t he m e dic al ap parat us o fthe
U SA not  so d ra stically broken , th e cost to  co ns ume rs  of t h is tes t w oul d today 
cost t h e c on s u m er  around $50 US. Th is i sthanks l argely to  t h e ACLU a nd  so me
g e n etici stsi nNYC, inc luding Ha rr y Ostre r. 

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matt_heim e r Does any onek no w  how the medic al te st at theh eart ofthislegal is sue
compa r e s to som eth ing  li ket h eraw data from 2 3and me ? 23and mev4 give s y ou25SNP sfor BRCA1  and BRC A2 .
~ ~~ 
ih odesA  compreh en siv etes t loo k ing at  theBRCA sma y  de eply se q ue n c e se qu en ce t heen tiregene ( s);  spanni ng around  15 0  tho us an d basepairs. You'dno t only wan ttolook f o r  SNPs, b ut novel SNVs, and vari o us stru ctu ral v aria nts (SVs)  an d
copy -nu m ber va riants  (CNV s) . I d on'tk n ow  th emost commo n cla ss of  m utat ions
fo r BRCA1 and 2, soi t m ay be the cas e t hata sm all e r, che ap e r p a n el could be
nea rly as eff ec t iv e as well. 
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miri mir
Now , ifw e can j ust agree  that nat ur al p r o duc ts and tra ditional  cures ca n 't be pa tente d.Indiaha s b een f ightin g  ha rd fo r that .
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e kianj oIf we co uld kill patents altoge ther t hat w oul d be a mu chn ice r step. P aten ts
are aninv ent ion f rom anoth er E r aand makeabso l utely nos en sen o wa days, and
w e s eethemcon s tantly 
?

~~~
wlievens
I use_it. Only_issue I ever had_was that_a_few weeks_ago,_all items'
descriptions showed_up as Undefined_or something. But that's_fixed now.

 
Gene_patents_probably dead worldwide following Australian court decision - cedricr
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/gene-patents-probably-dead-worldwide-following-australian-court-decision/
======
ihodes
An odd title; this patent was_already_struck down_by_the_Supreme Court of the
USA in_2013[0]. Now it's no longer_valid in_Australia. The cost of tests for
BRCA1/2 mutations is_dropping_dramatically; were the_medical apparatus of the
USA not so drastically broken, the_cost to consumers of this test_would today
cost the_consumer_around_$50 US. This is_thanks largely to the ACLU and_some
geneticists in NYC, including Harry Ostrer.

[0]:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_Genetics#Association_fo...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_Genetics#Association_for_Molecular_Pathology_v._Myriad_Genetics)

~~~
matt_heimer
Does_anyone know how the medical test at_the heart of this legal issue
compares_to something like the raw_data from_23andme? 23andme v4 gives you_25
SNPs for BRCA1_and BRCA2.

~~~
ihodes
A_comprehensive test looking_at the BRCAs may deeply sequence_sequence the
entire gene(s);_spanning around 150 thousand base pairs._You'd_not only want
to_look_for_SNPs, but_novel SNVs, and_various_structural variants_(SVs)_and
copy-number variants (CNVs). I don't know_the_most common class of mutations
for BRCA1 and_2, so it may_be_the case that a_smaller, cheaper panel could be
nearly_as effective as well.

------
mirimir
Now, if we_can just_agree that_natural products and traditional cures can't be
patented. India has been fighting_hard for that.

~~~
ekianjo
If we could kill_patents altogether that would_be a_much_nicer step. Patents
are_an_invention from_another Era and make absolutely no sense_nowadays, and
we_see them constantly