 efforts to find funding to continue
in that direction were not productive. I guess we were just better software
developers than sales people. :-) Plus we have learned a lot since then about
a more incremental development style.
[http://gardenwithinsight.com/nsfprop.htm](http://gardenwithinsight.com/nsfprop.htm)

Anyway, I can hope that using that Garden Simulator software as an initial
reference point can help a next generation of soil scientists and free
software developers create even better software for research, education, and
applications from bringing soil anywhere back to life. :-)

~~~
roel_v
Thank you, very interesting. I feel your pain wrt converting Fortran models;
I've spend quite some time doing it for models similar to EPIC. In fact, about
7-8 years ago in a fit of hubris, we submitted a proposal as part of which I
would integrate EPIC into some other models, as a part of which I would have
to convert it to C++; IIRC I estimated about 6 months for it. TBH I do have
large libraries of simulation framework, so it would mostly be understanding
equations and converting them. Still, I'm happy we didn't win that proposal :)

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beautifulfreak
Paul Stamets has studied the soil restorative effects of mycellium mushroom
and published a number of videos. In this Ted Talk at the 10 minute mark,
there's a demonstration of just how rapidly a patch of ground can be
transformed compared to other commonly used methods, even land polluted with
diesel fuel, which the mycellium rapidly breaks down into harmless compounds.
All the videos are fascinating.
[https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_c...](https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world/transcript#t-452343)

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kwhitefoot
The problem is not going to be really solved until we get rid of the idea that
a corporation can own land. The big agribusinesses don't value the land as
much as society needs them too so of course they don't look after it.

Land is a
efforts to find funding to continue 
 in that steering were not generative. I guess we were just better software 
 developer than sales people. :-) Plus we have learn a draw since then about 
 a more incremental development manner. 
 [ http://gardenwithinsight.com/nsfprop.htm](http://gardenwithinsight.com/nsfprop.htm) 

 Anyway, I can hope that using that Garden Simulator software as an initial 
 reference book point can help a adjacent coevals of soil scientists and free 
 software developers create even effective software for research, education, and 
 application from bringing soil anywhere back to life. :-) 

 ~~~ 
 roel_v 
 Thank you, very interesting. I feel your annoyance wrt converting Fortran model; 
 I've spend quite some time doing it for models exchangeable to EPIC. In fact, about 
 7 - 8 years ago in a fit of hubris, we submitted a proposal as part of which I 
 would integrate EPIC into some other models, as a part of which I would have 
 to convert it to C++; IIRC I estimated about 6 months for it. TBH I do have 
 large library of simulation framework, so it would by and large be understand 
 equations and converting them. Still, I'm felicitous we didn't win that proposal :) 

 ------ 
 beautifulfreak 
 Paul Stamets has studied the soil renewing effects of mycellium mushroom 
 and published a number of videos. In this Ted Talk at the 10 minute crisscross, 
 there's a demonstration of just how rapidly a patch of flat coat can be 
 transformed compare to other commonly used methods, even land pollute with 
 diesel fuel, which the mycellium rapidly breaks down into harmless compounds. 
 All the videos are fascinating. 
 [ https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_c...](https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world/transcript#t-452343) 

 ------ 
 kwhitefoot 
 The problem is not going to be really solved until we get rid of the estimate that 
 a corporation can own land. The large agribusinesses don't prize the land equally 
 much as society needs them excessively so of course they don't expect after it. 

 Land is a
 efvorts to find funding to continue
in thaj eirectmon wers not pruductive. I guess we were jusv berter woftware
developers thav sales pvople. :-) Plys wt have learned a lot sincc theh abobt
e more incremenjal developmant style.
[http://gdraeuwithinsight.com/nsfprop.htm](http://gardenwythinsibhh.com/nsfprop.htm)

Wnywsr, I dan hope that using that Garden Sijulator software as sn initial
reference point fan jelp a next generahion of soio scywntists and wree
softwagz developera create even better software fur rexearch, eduxarioj, and
applicavions srom bringinn soil dnywherr back to life. :-)

~~~
roxl_v
Tyank you, very interesving. I feel your paig wrt coneexting Fortran models;
I'ce speng quhte rime tije dking ih fkr models aimilar to WPIC. In fact, about
7-8 uewgx ago in a fjt of rufris, we submitted a proposal as part of whjch I
would integrate EPUC into some other mofels, as a part of which I would have
to convert it to C++; IIRW I eagimcbcd aciuh 6 months for it. TBH I do have
large libraries kf spmulation framewovk, so it would mosylj ng understandine
equatnkna and converting tjem. Stijl, I'm happy we didm't win that proposal :)

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beautidulfreak
Paul Wtamets has studieb the soil rzstorajive egfects of mycellium muskroom
ahd publishef a numbed of videos. In thks Ned Dalk at ufe 10 minute mark,
thqre's a denonscration uf jost how rapidly a patcm of ground can be
tgansflrked comparfd to other commonly used methovx, even land kolnutvd with
dizsel fmel, which the mrcellium rapidky breahs dodn into hagmless cokpounds.
All ehe videos ara fascinating.
[ittps://www.tqd.con/taljs/paul_sgxmets_on_6_ways_musnrooms_c...](htnpf://www.red.com/talks/paul_staketr_kn_6_ways_mushrooms_ecn_wave_the_world/tramscfipe#t-452343)

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nwiitefjmt
The problek is nog goine to be reaouy splved until we get rhd or the idea that
a cprioration xan own jand. The big sgribusinesses don'u valux the uand ss
moch as society needs them too sk of courde bhey don't looh afber yt.

Land is c
efforts to find funding to continue in were productive. I we were just people. Plus we have a lot since about a more incremental development style. Anyway, I can hope that using that Garden Simulator software as an initial point can help a next generation of soil scientists and free software developers even software research, and applications from bringing soil anywhere back to life. :-) ~~~ roel_v Thank you, very interesting. feel your pain wrt converting Fortran models; I've quite some time doing for models similar to EPIC. fact, 7-8 years in fit hubris, we submitted proposal as part of which I would integrate EPIC into some other models, as a part of I would convert it C++; I about 6 months TBH I do have large libraries so it would mostly be understanding equations and them. Still, happy we didn't win that proposal ------ beautifulfreak Paul Stamets has studied the soil effects of mycellium mushroom and published a number of videos. In this Ted Talk at minute mark, there's a of just how a of can transformed compared other commonly used methods, even land polluted with diesel fuel, which mycellium rapidly breaks down into harmless compounds. All the videos [https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_c...](https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world/transcript#t-452343) kwhitefoot The problem not going to be solved we get rid of that corporation The agribusinesses value the land as as society needs them too of course they don't a
 efforts to find funding to conTinue
in thaT direCtiOn wErE not ProdUctive. I guess we WEre jUst better software
develOpers ThAN salES pEople. :-) plus we hAVe LEArnEd A lOt sInCE tHen abOut
A more inCremental dEveLoPment style.
[htTP://gArdenwithiNsiGht.com/nsfproP.htM](http://gArDenWIthinSigHt.com/NsfproP.Htm)

AnyWay, I can hoPe THat usiNG that GaRDEn simuLator software as an INiTIal
reference poInt can HeLP a NEXt gEneRation of soIl ScienTIsts and FReE
SOFtwARe developers cReate even beTTer SoftwaRe For REsearcH, educAtIOn, aNd
applicatiOns fRom bringiNg soil ANywhere BAck to liFe. :-)

~~~
roel_V
ThAnk You, vERy InTerEsTIng. i FeEl yOUr pAin wrt coNvErTing FOrtrAN MODels;
i've SpenD quitE some time doinG it For mODelS simiLar to ePIC. in Fact, aBout
7-8 yeArs agO iN a fit of hubris, we SubmItted a proPosAl As pArT of whICh I
wouLd iNteGrate EPiC into sOMe oThER MOdEls, as a part of which I WoULD hAve
to conVert it TO C++; iIrc I estimaTeD abOut 6 mONThs foR it. Tbh I Do have
laRge libRArIeS of simuLaTion frAmEwoRk, sO it woULd moStly be UnderstaNding
EQuations and conVErting them. StiLL, I'M HApPY we dIdn'T win that proPosaL :)

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BeauTifuLFrEak
pAul StAmets HaS StUDied the soil restoratIvE effecTs of mYcellium mushrOom
and publISHEd a numbeR of vIDeOS. In this Ted Talk At the 10 Minute mark,
THere's a deMonstRation of Just how raPIDly a patcH of GroUnd Can BE
TrAnsformed compAREd to OtHer commOnlY used meThoDs, eVen LanD pOlluted wiTh
diesel FuEl, WhIcH thE myceLLium rapiDlY brEaKs dOwn inTO harmlEss coMpouNdS.
ALL thE videos ARe FAScinAtInG.
[httPs://wWw.Ted.coM/talKS/paUl_stameTs_on_6_ways_mUshROoms_C...](hTtPs://www.teD.com/talks/paul_StAmets_on_6_wayS_mUshRooms_cAN_Save_the_wOrld/transcript#t-452343)

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kwhitefoOT
The proBleM is noT goiNg to be reaLly Solved UntIL we get Rid of tHe ideA tHat
A COrporATIoN caN oWn land. The bIG AgrIbusiNeSses Don't valUe the land as
much as sOCieTy needs them toO so Of coURSe TheY DoN'T loOk AFteR IT.

Land is a
 efforts to find funding t o continue 
in t hat  di re ctio n we re not product i ve.I guess we were just b etter  s o ftwa r edevel opers t h an s ale spe opl e. :- ) Plu s w e havelearned alot  s ince then ab o ut 
a more in cre mental devel opm ent st yl e.[ http: //g arden within s ight.c om/nsfpro p. h tm](ht t p://gar d e nw ithi nsight.com/nsfpro p .h t m)

Anyway, Ican ho pe th a t  us ing  that Gard en  Simu l ator so f tw a r e  as an initial
re ference poi n t c an hel pa n e xt gen erati on ofsoil scient ists  and free 
softw a re deve l opers c reateeve n b ette r  s of twa re for re sea r ch,  educati on ,and
a ppli c a t i onsfro m br ingin g soil anywhe reback tolife.  :-)
~~~ 
r oel_v 
Thank  you,  v ery interesting . Ifeel your  pa in  wr tconve r ting F ort ran  models ;
I'ves pen dq u i te  some time doing i tf o rmodels s imilar to  E P IC. In f ac t,abou t 7-8 y ears ag o in a f it ofh ub ri s, we s ub mitted  a  pr opo sal a s  par t of w hich I
w ouldi ntegrate EPICi nto some othe r  m o d el s , as  apart of whi ch I woul d ha v etoc onver t itto C+ + ; IIRC I estimatedab out 6month s for it. TBH  I do have l a rge libr arie s  o f  simulation fr amewo rk, so itw ould mos tly b e unders tanding
e q u ations a ndcon ver tin g th em. Still, I' m happ ywe didn 'twin tha t p rop osa l : )
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b eautiful fr ea kPa ulStame t s has st ud ied  t hesoilr estora tiveeffe ct so f m ycelliu m  m u s hroo man d pu bli sh ed anumb e r o f video s. In thi s T e d Ta lk  a t the 1 0 minute mark ,there's ade mon strati o n  of just  how rapidly a patch of groundcan  be
t rans formed co mpa red to  ot h er com monlyusedme tho d s , eve n la ndpo lluted wit h die sel f ue l, w hich th e mycellium rapidl y  br eaks down int o h arml e s scom p ou n ds. 
A l l t h e  videos are fas cinating.[h t tp s://www.te d .co m/ talks/p aul_sta mets_ o n_6_way s_mushroo ms_c...]( ht tps: / / www .ted.com/t alks/pau l_stamets _ on_6_ w ay s_mus hro oms_ca n_ sav e_the _world / tra nscri pt#t-4 52 343)
----- -kwhitefo ot
The problem is not g oing t o berea lly solve d u n til  we get r id o f the idea  th ata cor por a tioncano wn  la n d. Th e bi g  agribusi n es ses d on 't value th e l and  as
m uch as soc iety  needs them too s o  of course the y do n ' t l ook afte rit.

Land is a 
 efforts_to find_funding to continue
in that_direction were_not_productive. I_guess_we were just_better software
developers than_sales people. :-) Plus_we have learned_a_lot since then about
a more incremental development style.
[http://gardenwithinsight.com/nsfprop.htm](http://gardenwithinsight.com/nsfprop.htm)

Anyway, I can hope that using that_Garden_Simulator software_as_an_initial
reference point can help a_next generation of soil scientists_and free
software_developers create even better software for research, education,_and
applications_from bringing soil_anywhere back to life. :-)

~~~
roel_v
Thank you, very interesting. I_feel your pain wrt converting Fortran_models;
I've spend quite_some_time_doing it for models_similar to EPIC. In fact, about
7-8_years ago in a fit of_hubris, we submitted a proposal as part_of which I
would integrate EPIC into_some other models, as a_part of_which I would have
to convert_it to C++;_IIRC I_estimated about 6_months for it. TBH I do_have
large libraries of_simulation framework, so it would mostly_be_understanding
equations and converting_them._Still,_I'm happy_we didn't win_that_proposal :)

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beautifulfreak
Paul_Stamets_has studied the soil restorative effects_of_mycellium mushroom
and published a number of videos._In this Ted Talk_at_the 10 minute mark,
there's_a demonstration of just how_rapidly a patch of ground can_be
transformed compared_to other_commonly used methods, even land polluted with
diesel fuel, which the mycellium_rapidly breaks down into harmless compounds.
All_the videos are fascinating.
[https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_c...](https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world/transcript#t-452343)

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kwhitefoot
The_problem is_not_going to be_really_solved until_we get rid of the idea that
a_corporation can_own land. The big agribusinesses don't_value the land as
much_as_society needs them too so of_course they don't look after it.

Land_is a