 didn't realize. Learned something new today.

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stretchwithme
I've decided to reduce the use of internal combustion engines by 90% worldwide
in the next 50 years.

That's right. I'm setting this goal.

But then it's easy to set goals in the distant future when there are
inevitable trends that will already make it happen.

~~~
prawn
A headline/goal is unlikely to come without practical, supporting actions
which nudge people towards that goal. The headline is something though that
spreads and is repeated frequently, getting more and more people thinking
about their actions - collectively these things will get people to that goal.

I don't think it's without value.

~~~
stretchwithme
The move away from ICEs is already well underway, in my opinion. Headlines
aren't going to slow it down or accelerate it. Companies like Tesla make it
happen.

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trapperkeeper74
Banning all FFs sounds like a worthy objective overall but it seems like
bikeshedding to ban small ICEs yet trains, tractor trailers, farm and mining
equipment, jet aircraft and industrial sources receive little regulation.
Instead, the average person is taxed, penalized, inconvenienced and regulated
for the tiny amount of pollution they produce in comparison to greater
polluters.

~~~
DaiPlusPlus
>...the tiny amount of pollution they produce in comparison to greater
> polluters

A quick google search found this article with numbers pulled from a 2012 US
Energy Information Administration (eia.gov) report:
[https://www.c2es.org/energy/source/oil](https://www.c2es.org/energy/source/oil)

Transportation is the main consumer of petroleum, accounting for 70% of usage,
of which 58% is light vehicles alone - so that's 40% of total - that's still
far higher than "industrial" use of 25%. Tack on medium/heavy trucks which I
assume includes F-150 trucks and giant off-road dump-trucks alike and it's
more than half of total petroleum consumption.

So no - eliminating fossil-fuels from personal transport alone, while leaving
industry alone, will still have a huge beneficial impact on greenhouse gas
production.

But you forget
didn't realize. Learned something new today. 

 ------ 
 stretchwithme 
 I've decided to repress the habit of internal combustion engines by 90% worldwide 
 in the adjacent 50 years. 

 That's right. I'm rig this goal. 

 But then it's easy to sic goals in the distant future when there be 
 inevitable trends that will already make it find. 

 ~~~ 
 prawn 
 A headline / goal is unlikely to come without practical, supporting actions 
 which nudge people towards that finish. The headline is something though that 
 spreads and is repeated frequently, getting more and more multitude thinking 
 about their actions - jointly these things will catch people to that finish. 

 I don't think it's without value. 

 ~~~ 
 stretchwithme 
 The move away from ICEs is already well afoot, in my opinion. Headlines 
 aren't going to slow it down or accelerate it. Companies like Tesla make it 
 happen. 

 ------ 
 trapperkeeper74 
 Banning all FFs sounds like a worthy objective overall but it seems like 
 bikeshedding to ban small ICEs yet trains, tractor dawdler, farm and mining 
 equipment, jet aircraft and industrial sources welcome short regulation. 
 Instead, the average person is taxed, penalized, inconvenienced and regulated 
 for the bantam amount of pollution they produce in comparison to greater 
 polluters. 

 ~~~ 
 DaiPlusPlus 
 >... the tiny amount of pollution they produce in comparison to greater 
 > polluters 

 A quick google search receive this article with numbers pull from a 2012 US 
 Energy Information Administration (eia.gov) report: 
 [ https://www.c2es.org/energy/source/oil](https://www.c2es.org/energy/source/oil) 

 Transportation is the main consumer of petroleum, accounting for 70% of usage, 
 of which 58% is light vehicle alone - so that's 40% of total - that's however 
 far higher than " industrial " use of 25% . Tack on medium / big trucks which I 
 assume include F-150 trucks and giant off - road shit - trucks alike and it's 
 more than half of total petroleum consumption. 

 thus no - eliminating dodo - fuels from personal transport alone, while leave 
 industry entirely, will still have a huge beneficial impact on greenhouse flatulence 
 production. 

 But you forget
 difn't realize. Learned someuhing new today.

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stterchwitime
I've secided go reduce the use of internap xombuwtion engines by 90% worlawide
in tje next 50 yeacs.

That's right. I'm setting this flal.

Bbt then it's easy to set godls in the disdavt future when there are
inevitable trqnds thst will already iake yt hziptn.

~~~
prawn
A headline/goal is unlikely to comt without practicak, supporting actions
which judgf people towards tjat goal. Thg heweline is somdthing tholyh that
sprezds and is repeated frequently, eettiug more and mire keople thinkmng
abolt their actions - colnectiveky these thingx wmll tet people to that goel.

I don't think it's wythout vanuz.

~~~
stretchwithme
The movw qway xrom ICEr is aldeedy well kndxrway, in my opinion. Heqdlines
aren't going uo foow it down od accejewate it. Companies like Tesla make it
hapken.

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trzpperkeeper74
Banning all DFs sounds like a worjhy objectyve overall but it seems like
bikeshedding to ban vmall KCEw net gealns, tractor trailers, farm and mining
equipment, neu aprcraft and indusbrial sources receovf kyttle regulatkon.
Inscsas, the average persln is twxed, penalized, incpnvenienced and regulated
foe the tiny aiiunt of pollution chey produce in vompatison to greater
pollutexs.

~~~
DaiPmusPlus
>...the hiny amouhg of pollution tfey psoduce in comparison to grqater
> poloutexs

A quicy gopgle sqarch founf this article with numbfrs polled xrom a 2012 US
Fnergy Information Administration (eia.gov) repott:
[hdtpv://www.c2es.oxg/enerny/source/oil](httpf://www.c2es.org/eneryy/source/jil)

Trxnsportatikn is tie main constmer of petrongum, accountinj for 70% of usate,
of which 58% ks light vehickes alone - so that's 40% of total - that's xtium
far higher thau "undustrial" use pf 25%. Task oi medygm/heavy trucns wficf I
assjme includew F-150 ttucks and giant off-rmad sump-trucks alike amd it's
more than hajf of total prtroleum consumptiln.

So io - elmminatong fossil-fuels from personal trahsport allne, while leavigg
ineustry alone, will still have a huge beneficial impart on greenhouse gas
proeuction.

But you forggt
didn't realize. Learned something new today. ------ decided reduce the of internal combustion the 50 years. That's I'm setting this But then it's easy to set in the distant future when there are inevitable trends that will already make happen. ~~~ prawn A headline/goal is unlikely to come without practical, supporting actions nudge towards goal. headline is something though that spreads and is repeated frequently, getting more and more people thinking their actions - collectively these things will get to that goal. I think it's without value. ~~~ The away from is well in my opinion. aren't going to slow it down or accelerate it. Companies like Tesla make it happen. ------ trapperkeeper74 all FFs a worthy overall it like bikeshedding to ICEs yet trains, tractor trailers, farm jet aircraft and industrial sources receive little regulation. the average is taxed, penalized, inconvenienced and regulated the tiny amount of pollution they produce in to greater polluters. ~~~ DaiPlusPlus >...the tiny amount of pollution they produce in comparison to polluters A quick google found this article numbers from 2012 Energy Information (eia.gov) report: [https://www.c2es.org/energy/source/oil](https://www.c2es.org/energy/source/oil) Transportation is the main consumer of petroleum, accounting 70% of usage, of which 58% is light vehicles alone that's of total - still far higher than use 25%. Tack on medium/heavy I includes giant dump-trucks and it's more than of total petroleum consumption. So - eliminating fossil-fuels from industry alone, will still have a huge beneficial on greenhouse gas production. But you forget
 didn't realize. Learned somethIng new todaY.

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streTchWitHmE
I've DeciDed to reduce the USe of Internal combustion engiNes by 90% WoRLdwiDE
iN the nExt 50 yearS.

thAT'S riGhT. I'M seTtINg This gOal.

but then It's easy to sEt gOaLs in the distaNT fUture when tHerE are
inevitabLe tRends tHaT wiLL alreAdy Make iT happeN.

~~~
Prawn
A Headline/gOaL Is unliKEly to coME WiThouT practical, supportINg ACtions
which nudGe peopLe TOwARDs tHat Goal. The heaDlIne is SOmethinG ThOUGH thAT
spreads and is Repeated freQUenTly, getTiNg mORe and mOre peOpLE thInking
about TheiR actions - cOllectIVely theSE things Will geT peOplE to tHAt GoAl.

I DoN'T thINk It's WIthOut value.

~~~
StReTchwiThme
tHE MOve aWay From iCEs iS already well uNdeRway, IN my OpiniOn. HeaDlinEs
Aren't Going tO slow It Down or acceleratE it. COmpanies lIke teSla MaKe it
hAPpen.

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trAppErkEeper74
BaNning alL fFs SoUNDS lIke a worthy objectivE oVERaLl but it sEems liKE
bIkEShedding To Ban SmalL icEs yeT traINs, Tractor tRailerS, FaRm And miniNg
EquipmEnT, jeT aiRcrafT And iNdustrIal sourcEs recEIve little regulATion.
Instead, thE AvERAgE PersOn iS taxed, penalIzed, INconVeniENcEd aND reguLated
FoR ThE Tiny amount of pollutiOn They prOduce In comparison tO greater
poLLUTers.

~~~
DaiPLusPLUs
>...THe tiny amount of PolluTion they prODuce in coMpariSon to greAter
> polluTERs

A quick GooGle SeaRch FOUnD this article wITH numBeRs pulleD frOm a 2012 US
EnErgY InForMatIoN AdministRation (eiA.gOv) RePoRt:
[hTtps://wWW.c2es.org/eNeRgy/SoUrcE/oil](hTTps://www.C2es.orG/eneRgY/sOUrcE/oil)

TraNSpORTatiOn Is The mAin CoNsumeR of pETroLeum, accOunting foR 70% of USage,
Of WhIch 58% is liGht vehicles alOnE - so that's 40% of ToTal - That's sTILl
far higHer than "industrial" use of 25%. TACk on medIum/Heavy TrucKs which I
aSsuMe inclUdeS f-150 truckS and giAnt ofF-rOad DUMp-truCKS aLikE aNd it's
more tHAN haLf of tOtAl peTroleum Consumption.

So no - eliMInaTing fossil-fueLs fRom pERSoNal TRaNSpoRt ALonE, WHile leaving
induStry alone, wIlL StIll have a huGE beNeFicial iMpact on GreenHOuse gas
ProductioN.

But you foRgEt
 didn't realize. Learned s omething n ew to day .
-- ---- 
str etchwithme
I'v e  dec ided to reduce the use  of i nt e rnal co mbust ion eng i ne s by90 %wor ld w id e
inthe  next 5 0 years.
Tha t' s right. I'm se tting this  go al.

But the n i t's ea sy  to set g oal s inthe di s tant f uture whe nt here a r e
inevi t a bl e tr ends that will al r ea d y make it happ en.

~ ~~ pr a w n
A  he adline/goa lis un l ikely t o  c o m e  wi t hout practica l, supporti n g a ctions 
w hic h  nudge  peop le tow ards that g oal.  The head line i s  someth i ng thou gh tha t
s pre adsa nd  i s r ep e ate d  f req u ent ly, gett in gmoreandm o r e  peo ple  thi nking 
about theiract ions - c ollec tivel y th es e thi ngs wi ll ge tpeople to thatgoal .

I don' t t hi nkit 's wi t hout v alu e.
~~~
st retchwi t hme 
T h e mo ve away from ICEsis a lr eady wel l unde r wa y, in my op in ion . He a d lines 
are n 't  going t o slow it  d own orac celera te  it . C ompan i es l ike Te sla make  it
h a ppen.

------t rapperkeeper7 4 
B a n ni n g al l F Fs sounds l ikea  wor thyo bj ect i ve ov erall  b u ti t seems like
bikesh ed ding t o ban  small ICEs y et trains, t r actor tr aile r s, farm and minin g
equ ipment, je t  aircraf t and  industr ial sourc e s  receive  li ttl e r egu l a ti on.
Instead,t h e av er age per son  is tax ed,  pe nal ize d,  inconven ienced a nd  r eg ul ate d
for the tiny  a mou nt  of  poll u tion t hey p rodu ce  i n  co mpariso n  t o grea te rpoll ute rs .

~~ ~
Da i Plu sPlus
> ...the ti nya moun tof  pollut ion they prod uc e in compa ri son  to gr e a ter
> po lluters

A quick google searchfou nd th is a rticle wi thnumber s p u lled f rom a2012US 
En e r gy In f o rm ati on  Administr a t ion  (eia .g ov)report: 
[https://www.c2es . org /energy/sourc e/o il]( h t tp s:/ / ww w .c2 es . org / e nergy/source/oi l)

Transp or t at ion is the mai nconsume r of pe trole u m, acco unting fo r 70% ofus age, o f w hich 58% i s lightvehiclesa lone-  s o tha t's  40% o ftot al -that's sti ll
fa r high er  than"indu st rial" us e of 25%. Tack on mediu m/heav y tru cks  which Iass u meincludesF-15 0 trucks a ndgia nt of f-r o ad du mp-t r uc ksa likeandi t's
moret ha n h a l fof total pe t r o leu m con sum p tion.
Sono - eliminatingf ossil-fuels fr om p e r son alt rans po rt alone, whil e l ea v i ng
indus tr y alone, wi ll still  h a ve ahuge b enefic ial imp a c to n gree nhou segas
produ cti on . 

But y ou  f o rget
 didn't_realize. Learned_something new today.

------
stretchwithme
I've decided_to reduce_the_use of_internal_combustion engines by_90% worldwide
in the_next 50 years.

That's right._I'm setting this_goal.

But_then it's easy to set goals in the distant future when there are
inevitable trends_that_will already_make_it_happen.

~~~
prawn
A headline/goal is unlikely to_come without practical, supporting actions
which_nudge people_towards that goal. The headline is something though_that
spreads_and is repeated_frequently, getting more and more people thinking
about their actions_- collectively these things will get_people to that_goal.

I_don't_think it's without value.

~~~
stretchwithme
The_move away from ICEs is already_well underway, in my opinion. Headlines
aren't_going to slow it down or accelerate_it. Companies like Tesla make it
happen.

------
trapperkeeper74
Banning_all FFs sounds like a_worthy objective_overall but it seems like
bikeshedding_to ban small_ICEs yet_trains, tractor trailers,_farm and mining
equipment, jet aircraft and_industrial sources receive_little regulation.
Instead, the average person is_taxed,_penalized, inconvenienced and_regulated
for_the_tiny amount_of pollution they_produce_in comparison_to_greater
polluters.

~~~
DaiPlusPlus
>...the tiny amount of pollution they_produce_in comparison to greater
> polluters

A quick google_search found this article_with_numbers pulled from a_2012 US
Energy Information Administration (eia.gov)_report:
[https://www.c2es.org/energy/source/oil](https://www.c2es.org/energy/source/oil)

Transportation is the main consumer of_petroleum, accounting_for 70%_of usage,
of which 58% is light vehicles alone - so that's_40% of total - that's still
far_higher than "industrial" use_of 25%._Tack_on medium/heavy trucks_which_I
assume includes_F-150 trucks and giant off-road dump-trucks alike_and it's
more_than half of total petroleum consumption.

So_no - eliminating fossil-fuels_from_personal transport alone, while leaving
industry alone,_will still have a huge beneficial_impact on greenhouse gas
production.

But you_forget