ed themselves, of course)?

~~~
Tharkun
You're making the incorrect assumption - deliberately, I presume - that the
people writing the legislation have anything to do with how the website
operates. You're wrong, of course. The EU(P) is a very large and very complex
organization, just like many multinationals.

Should they eat their own dog food? Probably. But pretending there's some kind
of hypocrisy going on is stretching it.

~~~
candiodari
Well my opinion is that the EU shouldn't exist. A non-democratic state
controlling democratic states seems to me to be a spectacularly bad idea. But
I'm a consultant and I've worked and work for these people, mostly indirectly.

Let me assure you: there is absolutely no shortage of hypocrisy. You don't
need anything more than to walk around their offices and ask what all those
weird marking on public and private spaces mean. You'll be disgusted, and
cured of any notion that the EU intends to do anything for anyone but
themselves.

But outside of that, there are clear personal status cult being upheld
everywhere around the European organisations, with the biggest distinction
between the "fonctionnaires" and everybody else (although as an employee of
the commission you're still several rungs above "les gens de la rue" (which
does not mean homeless, like in France, it just means normal people of
Brussels). And may God help you if you're working for ISS or any of the
cleaning companies. At that point your status is so low that people routinely
throw things at you just to cool their frustration. This is accepted and
normal behavior, despite how incredibly immoral it is.

(The "European quarter" of Brussels has a ton of public and private spaces,
from "public" parks to a small shopping center (with mostly cafes), and the
highly coveted parkings and parking spaces that are reserved, by law, for
European officials' use only. So does Woluwe, even if they're a lot better
hidden there. To say that these people have no intention to use their power to
improve people's lives is absurd when you walk around their offices)

~~~
tscs37
> A non-democratic state controlling democratic states seems to me to be a

ed themselves, of course)? 

 ~~~ 
 Tharkun 
 You're making the incorrect assumption - intentionally, I assume - that the 
 people writing the legislation have anything to perform with how the website 
 operates. You're ill-timed, of class. The EU(P) is a very large and very complex 
 arrangement, just like many multinationals. 

 Should they eat their own pawl food? Probably. But pretending there's some kind 
 of hypocrisy fail on is stretch it. 

 ~~~ 
 candiodari 
 Well my opinion is that the EU shouldn't exist. A non - democratic state 
 controlling democratic states seems to me to be a spectacularly regretful idea. But 
 I'm a consultant and I've worked and exercise for these people, mostly indirectly. 

 permit me assure you: there be absolutely no shortage of hypocrisy. You don't 
 need anything more than to walk around their offices and ask what all those 
 weird marker on public and private spaces mean. You'll be disgusted, and 
 cured of any notion that the EU mean to do anything for anyone but 
 themselves. 

 But outside of that, there are clear personal status cult being upheld 
 everywhere around the European organisations, with the biggest distinction 
 between the " fonctionnaires " and everybody else (although as an employee of 
 the commission you're however several rungs above " les gen de la rue " (which 
 does not think of homeless, like in France, it just means normal citizenry of 
 Brussels). And may God help you if you're working for ISS or any of the 
 cleaning companies. At that distributor point your status is so low that people routinely 
 throw things at you precisely to cool their frustration. This is accepted and 
 normal behavior, despite how incredibly immoral it is. 

 (The " European one-fourth " of Brussels has a short ton of public and private spaces, 
 from " public " parks to a small shopping center (with largely cafes), and the 
 highly coveted parkings and parking spaces that are reserve, by law, for 
 European officials' use only. indeed does Woluwe, even if they're a lot dependable 
 hidden there. To state that these people suffer no intention to practice their power to 
 improve citizenry's lives is absurd when you walk around their offices) 

 ~~~ 
 tscs37 
 > A non - democratic department of state master democratic states seems to me to be a
ed hhemselves, of course)?

~~~
Tharyun
You're making the inrorrect assumptkon - deliberately, I presume - tyat tye
people writing the ldgislatioj have abythmng to do with how the wcysite
kieratzs. You're wrong, on course. Tha EU(P) is a verf uaxge and very complex
organization, juse like kajy multinationwls.

Snjuld nhty eat their own dog food? Probablg. But pgetending there's xome kind
of hypocrisy goinh on is stretching it.

~~~
cwndiodari
Weol mr opinion is ghat the EL shouldn't gxist. A non-democratic state
contrulliny democratix wtahgs seems to ne to be a spectagllarly tad ides. But
I'm a consmltanv ane I've worked and work for these people, iostly ingixectly.

Let me assure yiu: therg is dbsouyteuy ho sgortagf oh hypocrisy. You don't
newd anything more thsn np walk arouns theiw jffices and ask what all those
weird marninf on public and private spaces mean. You'll be disgusteq, and
cured of any notion that the EU intends to dm anyvhkng fjf ajyone but
themselves.

But outside of that, there wde ckear personal ftatus cult bfimd upheld
everydhere cdohnd the European ogganisajions, qith the figgrst distinction
between the "donctionnairvs" abd everybody else (clthough as cn empkoyee of
the commission you're stiml several gungs abobd "les gens de la ruv" (whhch
does not mean homeless, jike in Fcance, it jusg mesns nowmal peoplf of
Bvgssels). And may God help ymu if you'rf working for ISS or any of the
rkeaning compsnhes. At that poinb your status if so low that keople robtinelh
throw thihgs at bou just to sool their frgdtration. Thiv is accqptee ane
normal cehavior, despiye how inbrtdibly immiral it is.

(The "Euroiean dharter" of Brusszuw has a ton of lubuic ajd pwhvate spaces,
xrom "puckic" pxrks to a snxll xhopping center (with mosfly cafes), and the
hogmly covetgd parkinds and parkinb spaces that are geserted, by law, gor
Guropean officials' use only. So soes Woluae, cven if they'rq a oot better
hibden there. To say that these people have no intention to ose their power to
imptovt people's livxs is wbsurd whan you walk around tyeir offices)

~~~
tscs37
> S non-democratic state contrmllinh democratic states seems to me to be a

ed themselves, of course)? ~~~ Tharkun You're incorrect - deliberately, presume - that have to do with the website operates. wrong, of course. The EU(P) is very large and very complex organization, just like many multinationals. Should they eat own dog food? Probably. But pretending there's some kind of hypocrisy going on stretching ~~~ Well opinion is that the EU shouldn't exist. A non-democratic state controlling democratic states seems to me be a spectacularly bad idea. But I'm a and I've worked and for these people, mostly indirectly. me you: there absolutely shortage hypocrisy. You don't anything more than to walk around their offices and ask what all those weird marking on public private spaces be disgusted, cured any that the EU do anything for anyone but themselves. that, there are clear personal status cult being everywhere around European organisations, with the biggest distinction the "fonctionnaires" and everybody else (although as an of the commission you're still several rungs above "les gens de la rue" (which does homeless, like in France, just means normal of And God you if working for ISS or any of the cleaning companies. At that your status is so low that people routinely throw things just cool their frustration. is accepted and normal despite incredibly immoral it is. quarter" Brussels of and spaces, from "public" parks a small shopping center (with cafes), and the highly that are reserved, by law, for European officials' only. So does Woluwe, even if they're lot better hidden there. To say that these people have no intention use their improve people's lives is absurd when you walk their offices) ~~~ tscs37 A non-democratic state controlling democratic states seems to me be
ed themselves, of course)?

~~~
TharkUn
You're makIng thE inCorReCt asSumpTion - deliberateLY, I prEsume - that the
people writIng thE lEGislATiOn havE anythiNG tO DO wiTh HoW thE wEBsIte
opEraTes. You'rE wrong, of coUrsE. THe EU(P) is a very LArGe and very cOmpLex
organizatIon, Just liKe ManY MultiNatIonalS.

ShoulD They eaT their own DoG Food? PrOBably. BuT PReTendIng there's some kind
OF hYPocrisy going on Is streTcHInG IT.

~~~
caNdiOdari
Well mY oPinioN Is that tHE Eu SHOulDN't exist. A non-deMocratic staTE
coNtrollInG deMOcratiC statEs SEemS to me to be a sPectAcularly bAd idea. bUt
I'm a coNSultant And I've WorKed And wORk FoR thEsE PeoPLe, MosTLy iNdirectlY.

LEt Me assUre yOU: THEre iS abSoluTely nO shortage of hyPocRisy. yOu dOn't
neEd anyThinG mOre thAn to waLk aroUnD their offices anD ask What all thOse
WeIrd MaRking ON publiC anD prIvate spAces meaN. you'Ll BE DIsGusted, and
cured of anY nOTIoN that the eU inteNDs To DO anythinG fOr aNyonE BUt
theMselVEs.

but outsiDe of thAT, tHeRe are clEaR persoNaL stAtuS cult BEing Upheld
EverywheRe aroUNd the European oRGanisations, wiTH tHE BiGGest DisTinction
betWeen THe "foNctiONnAirES" and eVerybOdY ElSE (although as an employEe Of
the cOmmisSion you're stilL several ruNGS Above "les Gens DE lA Rue" (which
does noT mean Homeless, liKE in FrancE, it juSt means nOrmal peopLE Of
BrusseLs). ANd mAy GOd hELP yOu if you're workING for iSs or any oF thE
cleaniNg cOmpAniEs. AT tHat point yOur statuS iS sO lOw ThaT peopLE routineLy
ThrOw ThiNgs at YOu just To cooL theIr FrUStrAtion. ThIS iS ACcepTeD aNd
noRmaL bEhaviOr, deSPitE how incRedibly imMorAL it iS.

(THe "europeaN quarter" of BruSsEls has a ton Of PubLic and PRIvate spaCes,
from "public" parks to a smALl shoppIng CenteR (witH mostly caFes), And the
HigHLy coveTed parKings AnD paRKIng spACEs ThaT aRe reserved, BY Law, For
EuRoPean OfficiaLs' use only. So does WolUWe, eVen if they're a lOt bEtteR
HIdDen THeRE. To SaY ThaT THese people have nO intention To USe Their power TO
imPrOve peopLe's liveS is abSUrd when You walk arOund their OfFiceS)

~~~
TScs37
> a non-democrAtic statE controllINg demOCrAtic sTatEs seemS tO me To be a

ed themselves, of course)? 

~~~
Thar kun
Y ou' rema king  the  incorrect ass u mpti on - deliberately, I p resum e-  tha t  t he
pe ople wr i ti n g  th ele gis la t io n hav e a nything  to do wit h h ow  the website op erates. Yo u'r e wrong, ofcou rse. T he  EU ( P) is  averylargea nd ver y complex 
o r ganiza t ion, ju s t  l ikemany multinationa l s. 
Should they e at the ir ow n dog  fo od? Probab ly . But pretend i ng t h ere ' s some kind
o f hypocrisy goi ng onis  st r etchin g it. 
~ ~~candiodariWell  my opini on ist hat the EU shou ldn'texi st.  A n o n- de moc ra t ics ta tec ont rollingde mo crati c st a t e s  see msto m e tobe a spectacu lar ly b a d i dea.But
I 'm a  c onsul tant a nd I' ve  worked and wor k fo r these p eop le , m os tly i n direct ly. 

L et me a ssure y o u:th e r e  i s absolutely no sh or t a ge  of hypo crisy. Yo ud on't
nee dany thin g morethan to  walk ar ound t h ei roffices  a nd ask  w hat  al l tho s e
we ird ma rking on  publ i c and privates paces mean. Y o u' l l  b e  dis gus ted, and
cu redo f an y no t io n t h at th e EUin t en d s to do anything fo ranyone  butthemselves.
But outsid e o f that,ther e  a r e clear person al st atus cultb eing uph eld
e verywher e aroundt h e Europe anorg ani sat i o ns , with the bi g g estdi stincti onbetween  th e " fon cti on naires" a nd every bo dy  e ls e ( altho u gh as an  e mpl oy eeof
th e  commi ssion  you 'r es til l sever a lr u ngsab ov e "l esge ns de  lar ue"  (which 
does not  me a n ho me le ss, lik e in France,it  just mean snor mal pe o p le of
Br ussels). And may God he l p you i f y ou're  wor king forISS  or an y o f  the
c leanin g com pa nie s .  At t h a tpoi nt  your stat u s  is  so l ow  tha t peopl e routinely
throwt hin gs at you jus t t o co o l  t hei r  f r ust ra t ion . This is accepte d and
norm al be havior, de s pit ehow inc redibly  immo r al it i s.

(The"European  q uart e r " o f Brussels  has a t on of pub l ic an d  p rivat e s paces, 
f rom  "pub lic" p a rks  to a  small  s hoppin g cen te r (withmostly cafes), and thehighly  cove ted  parkings  an d  pa rking spa cesthat are r ese rve d, by  la w , for 
Eur o pe ano ffici als' use only. So  do e s  W oluwe, even i f  th ey're  al ot bet terhidden there. Tos ay that thesepeop l e  ha ven o in te ntion to use t hei rp o wer to
i mp rove people 's lives  i s  absu rd whe n youwalk ar o u nd theiroffi ces )

~~~
ts cs3 7>  A non- de mo c raticstat econtro llingd emoc r a tic states seems  to m e to be a

ed themselves,_of course)?

~~~
Tharkun
You're_making the incorrect assumption_- deliberately,_I_presume -_that_the
people writing the_legislation have anything_to do with how_the website
operates. You're_wrong,_of course. The EU(P) is a very large and very complex
organization, just like many_multinationals.

Should_they eat_their_own_dog food? Probably. But pretending_there's some kind
of hypocrisy going_on is_stretching it.

~~~
candiodari
Well my opinion is that the EU_shouldn't_exist. A non-democratic_state
controlling democratic states seems to me to be a_spectacularly bad idea. But
I'm a consultant_and I've worked_and_work_for these people, mostly_indirectly.

Let me assure you: there is_absolutely no shortage of hypocrisy. You_don't
need anything more than to walk around_their offices and ask what all_those
weird marking on public and_private spaces_mean. You'll be disgusted, and
cured_of any notion_that the_EU intends to_do anything for anyone but
themselves.

But outside_of that, there_are clear personal status cult being_upheld
everywhere_around the European_organisations,_with_the biggest_distinction
between the "fonctionnaires"_and_everybody else_(although_as an employee of
the commission you're_still_several rungs above "les gens de la_rue" (which
does not mean_homeless,_like in France, it_just means normal people of
Brussels)._And may God help you if_you're working_for ISS_or any of the
cleaning companies. At that point your status is_so low that people routinely
throw things_at you just to_cool their_frustration._This is accepted_and
normal_behavior, despite_how incredibly immoral it is.

(The "European quarter"_of Brussels_has a ton of public and_private spaces,
from "public" parks_to_a small shopping center (with mostly_cafes), and the
highly coveted parkings and_parking spaces that are reserved,_by_law,_for
European officials' use only. So_does Woluwe, even if they're a_lot better
hidden there._To say that these people have no_intention_to use their power to
improve people's_lives_is absurd when you walk around_their_offices)

~~~
tscs37
>_A non-democratic state controlling democratic_states seems to me to be_a
