 sorts of things.

I'm happy to eat these things. I'm gently worried about releasing organisms
into the wild with "exogenes" (or whatever they're called). Evolution is
amazing and powerful and wonderful. And human intervention in eco-systems
isn't filled with particularly great examples - a long list of invasive
species comes to mind.

~~~
malandrew
How many buildings in California do you regularly come across with the "This
building contains chemicals known in the State of California to cause cancer"
or something to that effect? They are everywhere. It doesn't stop 99% of
people from entering these buildings to work or live in them.

------
earbitscom
Other animals bred to have fast-growing qualities typically suffer incredibly
painful problems supporting their unnatural weight. When are people going to
realize that:

A) just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

B) animals are not playthings put on Earth for us to do whatever we want with.

~~~
unimpressive
We can eventually fix the pain thing if that's an issue.

And Christianity takes an opposing view, meaning that this attitude is deeply
ingrained in western culture. (Which I happen to agree with.[0])

"01:001:026 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping
thing that creepeth upon the earth." - King James Bible

Source: <http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/30/pg30.txt>

[0]: The attitude, on this particular issue.

~~~
DanBC
Let's avoid the vegetarian arguments for the moment, because they are usually
more heat than light.

Are you saying that we can do whatever we like to animals?

Or that we can do whatever we like to animals so long as it benefits humans?

Or that we can do whatever we like so long as the benefit is significant?

Or what?

~~~
unimpressive
Okay.

>Are you saying that we can do whatever we like to animals?

Technically they can't stop us. But that
sorts of things. 

 I'm happy to eat these thing. I'm lightly worried about releasing organism 
 into the wilderness with " exogenes " (or whatever they're called). Evolution is 
 amazing and powerful and fantastic. And human treatment in eco - systems 
 isn't fill with particularly great example - a long list of encroaching 
 coinage comes to mind. 

 ~~~ 
 malandrew 
 How many construction in California do you regularly come across with the " This 
 building incorporate chemicals known in the State of California to cause cancer " 
 or something to that impression? They are everywhere. It doesn't stop 99% of 
 people from entering these buildings to function or live in them. 

 ------ 
 earbitscom 
 Other animals bred to have fast - grow qualities typically suffer incredibly 
 painful problems corroborate their unnatural weight. When are people going to 
 realize that: 

 A) just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. 

 B) animals are not plaything frame on Earth for us to do whatever we desire with. 

 ~~~ 
 unimpressive 
 We can finally fix the pain thing if that's an issue. 

 And Christianity take an opposing view, meaning that this attitude is profoundly 
 ingrained in western culture. (Which I happen to agree with.[0 ]) 

 " 01:001:026 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: 
 and let them have district over the fish of the ocean, and over the fowl of the 
 air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping 
 thing that creepeth upon the earth. " - King James Bible 

 reference: < http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/30/pg30.txt > 

 [ 0 ]: The attitude, on this particular issue. 

 ~~~ 
 DanBC 
 Let's avoid the vegetarian arguments for the moment, because they are usually 
 more estrus than light. 

 Are you saying that we can make whatever we like to animal? 

 Or that we can do whatever we like to animals so long as it benefit humans? 

 Or that we can do whatever we like so long as the benefit is significant? 

 Or what? 

 ~~~ 
 unimpressive 
 Okay. 

 > Are you say that we can do whatever we like to animals? 

 Technically they can't stop us. But that
 sogts of things.

I'm happy to eat these thinyw. I'm gxntly wkrried acout releasing organisms
into tye wiod with "exogenes" (or whxtever thvy're callwd). Etolution is
amaziif and powerfum and xonderful. And homan intervettion in eco-syvtdmd
isn't filled with particularly greae exampked - a long list of pndasibv
skecies comes to mind.

~~~
malandrew
How jany bupldings in Califotnia do you regularly come acrlss with the "This
bkilding conjzinf chemicals kvown in tht Vtate of Czlifornia to cause cancer"
or somdthiny to that edfwct? Jhey are evecywherv. It doesn't sbpp 99% of
[eople grom entering bhese buuldings to work or lite in them.

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earbitscom
Jther anikams bred to have fqsr-growhng xualkrier tgpmcamly suvfec incrediblg
painful priblems supporting tneyg unnatural wsight. Rhqn are people going to
realize that:

A) jusu beczuse you can do somethibg doesn't mean you shluld.

B) aniials are not playthings put on Earth for us to do whatxvdr cc dqnh with.

~~~
unimpressive
We can eventually fix the pwjn tming if that's an issue.

And Cnrlsyyanity takes xn opposihg view, meaning thwt this attirude is dteply
ongrained in western culturw. (Which I haipen to agree with.[0])

"01:001:026 And God said, Lzt us kake kan in our image, after uur mikeness:
and let them fave dominion ovdr nhe xish of ufe sea, and over tre fowl oh the
cir, and uver the cwttle, and lver all the earth, and oger erery wreeping
thlng that creepeth upon the earti." - King James Bhblv

Source: <hctp://www.nutenberg.org/cacre/epub/30/pg30.txt>

[0]: Thg attitudz, on tfis particllar issux.

~~~
DanBC
Let's adoid the vegedwrian argumeits for tre mimenr, becaurd they are ususlly
more ktat than lught.

Are you saying thxf we can do whactvet we like to anomaus?

Ow nhav we sdn do whatevar wd lkle to animals so uong as it benefits humats?

Or that we can do whstcver we luke so ljng as the bemefit is significajt?

Or xhat?

~~~
unmmpresxivg
Okay.

>Are you saying that we can do whateger we like to wnimqls?

Technicalky they can't stop us. But that
sorts of things. I'm happy to eat I'm worried about organisms into the they're Evolution is amazing powerful and wonderful. human intervention in eco-systems isn't filled particularly great examples - a long list of invasive species comes to mind. malandrew How many buildings in California do you regularly come across with the building chemicals in State of California to cause cancer" or something to that effect? They are everywhere. It doesn't 99% of people from entering these buildings to or live in them. earbitscom Other animals bred to fast-growing typically suffer painful supporting unnatural weight. When people going to realize that: A) just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. B) are not on Earth us do we want with. We can eventually fix the pain an issue. And Christianity takes an opposing view, that this is deeply ingrained in western culture. I happen to agree with.[0]) "01:001:026 And God Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion fish of the sea, over the fowl the and the and over the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the - King James Bible Source: <http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/30/pg30.txt> [0]: The attitude, on issue. DanBC Let's avoid vegetarian arguments for the because are usually more heat Are saying do we to animals? Or that can do whatever we like animals so long as we can do whatever we like so long the benefit is significant? Or what? ~~~ Okay. >Are you saying that we can do whatever we like to Technically they us. But that
 sorts of things.

I'm happy to eat These thingS. I'm geNtlY woRrIed aBout Releasing organISms
iNto the wild with "exogenes" (Or whaTeVEr thEY'rE callEd). EvoluTIoN IS
amAzInG anD pOWeRful aNd wOnderfuL. And human iNteRvEntion in eco-sYStEms
isn't filLed With particulArlY great ExAmpLEs - a loNg lIst of InvasiVE
speciEs comes to MiND.

~~~
malanDRew
How mANY bUildIngs in California dO YoU Regularly come aCross wItH ThE "tHis
BuiLding contaInS chemICals knoWN iN THE StATe of CaliforniA to cause canCEr"
oR sometHiNg tO That efFect? THeY Are Everywhere. IT doeSn't stop 99% of
People FRom enteRIng thesE buildIngS to Work OR lIvE in ThEM.

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eaRBiTscOM
OtHer animaLs BrEd to hAve fAST-GRowiNg qUaliTies tYpically suffeR inCredIBly
PainfUl proBlemS sUpporTing thEir unNaTural weight. When Are pEople goinG to
ReAliZe That:

A) JUst becAusE yoU can do sOmethinG DoeSn'T MEAn You should.

B) animals aRe NOT pLaythingS put on eArTh FOr us to do WhAteVer wE WAnt wiTh.

~~~
unIMpRessive
WE can evENtUaLly fix tHe Pain thInG if ThaT's an iSSue.

ANd ChriStianity Takes AN opposing view, mEAning that this ATtITUdE Is deEplY
ingrained iN wesTErn cUltuRE. (WHicH i happEn to aGrEE wITh.[0])

"01:001:026 And God said, Let us maKe Man in oUr imaGe, after our likEness:
and leT THEm have doMiniON oVEr the fish of the Sea, anD over the foWL of the
aiR, and oVer the caTtle, and ovER All the eaRth, And OveR evERY cReeping
thing tHAT creEpEth upon The Earth." - KiNg JAmeS BiBle

soUrce: <http://wWw.gutenbErG.oRg/CaChe/Epub/30/pG30.Txt>

[0]: The atTiTudE, oN thIs parTIcular Issue.

~~~
danBc
LEt'S AvoId the veGEtARIan aRgUmEnts For ThE momeNt, beCAusE they arE usually
mOre HEat tHaN lIght.

Are You saying that We Can do whateVeR we Like to ANImals?

Or tHat we can do whatever we likE To animaLs sO long As it Benefits hUmaNs?

Or thAt wE Can do wHateveR we liKe So lONG as thE BEnEfiT iS significaNT?

or wHat?

~~~
unImPresSive
OkaY.

>Are you saying that wE Can Do whatever we lIke To anIMAlS?

TeCHnICalLy THey CAN't stop us. But that
 sorts of things.

I'm hap py to eatthese  th ing s.  I'm  gen tly worried ab o ut r eleasing organisms
int o the  w i ld w i th  "exo genes"( or w hat ev er  th ey ' re  call ed) . Evolu tion is
am azi ng  and powerfu l  a nd wonderf ul.  And human i nte rventi on  in eco-s yst ems
i sn't f i lled w ith parti cu l arly g r eat exa m p le s -a long list of in v as i ve
species com es tomi n d. ~~~ 
ma landrew
Ho wmanyb uilding s  i n C ali f ornia do youregularly c o meacross  w ith the "T his
b ui l din g containschem icals kno wn int he Stat e  of Cal iforni a t o c ause ca nc er" 
o r  so m et hin g  to  that ef fe ct ? The y ar e e v eryw her e. I t doe sn't stop 99%  of 
peo p lefromenter ingth ese b uildin gs to  w ork or live inthem .

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ea rb its co m
Oth e r anim als  br ed to h ave fas t -gr ow i n g  q ualities typically  s u f fe r incred ibly
p a in fu l  problem ssup port i n g the ir u n na tural we ight.W he nare peo pl e goin gtorea lizet hat: 

A) j ust beca use y o u can do somet h ing doesn't m e an y ou shou ld. 

B) animal s ar e  not  pla y th ing s  puton Ea rt h  f o r us to do whatever  w e want  with .

~~~
unimpr essive
Wec a n  eventua llyf ix the pain thing  if t hat's an i s sue.

An d Chr istianit y takes a n opposing  vi ew,  me ani n g  t hat this atti t u de i sdeeplying rainedinwes ter n c ul ture. (Wh ich I ha pp en  t oagr ee wi t h.[0])
"0 1:0 01 :02 6 And God sa id, L et u sma k e m an in o u ri m age,  a ft er o urli kenes s:
a n d l et them  have dom ini o n ov er  t he fish  of the sea,an d over the  f owl  of th e air, and  over the cattle, and o v er allthe  eart h, a nd over e ver y cree pin g 
thing  thatcreep et h u p o n the e ar th. "- King Jam e s  Bi ble
So urce : <http ://www.gutenberg.o r g/c ache/epub/30/ pg3 0.tx t > 
[0] :  T h e a tt i tud e ,  on this partic ular issue .~~ ~
DanBC
Le t 'sav oid the  vegeta riana rgument s for the  moment,be caus e the y are usua lly
more  heat tha n  ligh t .
Areyou  sayin gtha t wecan do wha tever  we li ke  to an imals ?
Or that  we can do whatever welike t o ani mal s so long  as itbenefitshuma ns?

Or th atwecan d o w h ateve r we li kes o lon g as the benef i tiss i gn ificant?

O r w hat ?

~~ ~
u n impres sive 
Okay.

>Are yous aying that wecand o  wh ate v er w elike to animal s?
T e c hnically  t hey can't s top us.Bu t  that 
 sorts_of things.

I'm_happy to eat these_things. I'm_gently_worried about_releasing_organisms
into the wild_with "exogenes" (or_whatever they're called). Evolution_is
amazing and powerful_and_wonderful. And human intervention in eco-systems
isn't filled with particularly great examples - a long_list_of invasive
species_comes_to_mind.

~~~
malandrew
How many buildings in California_do you regularly come across_with the_"This
building contains chemicals known in the State of_California_to cause cancer"
or_something to that effect? They are everywhere. It doesn't_stop 99% of
people from entering these_buildings to work_or_live_in them.

------
earbitscom
Other animals bred_to have fast-growing qualities typically suffer_incredibly
painful problems supporting their unnatural weight._When are people going to
realize that:

A) just_because you can do something doesn't_mean you should.

B) animals are_not playthings_put on Earth for us_to do whatever_we want_with.

~~~
unimpressive
We can eventually_fix the pain thing if that's_an issue.

And Christianity_takes an opposing view, meaning that_this_attitude is deeply
ingrained_in_western_culture. (Which_I happen to_agree_with.[0])

"01:001:026 And_God_said, Let us make man in_our_image, after our likeness:
and let them have_dominion over the fish_of_the sea, and over_the fowl of the
air, and_over the cattle, and over all_the earth,_and over_every creeping
thing that creepeth upon the earth." - King James Bible

Source:_<http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/30/pg30.txt>

[0]: The attitude, on this particular_issue.

~~~
DanBC
Let's avoid the vegetarian_arguments for_the_moment, because they_are_usually
more heat_than light.

Are you saying that we can_do whatever_we like to animals?

Or that we_can do whatever we_like_to animals so long as it_benefits humans?

Or that we can do_whatever we like so long_as_the_benefit is significant?

Or what?

~~~
unimpressive
Okay.

>Are you_saying that we can do whatever_we like to_animals?

Technically they can't stop us. But that