 at this at all.

~~~
eveningcoffee
_I'm not mad at this at all. _

I am. Because it is a way to extort money out of other ZigBee participants.

~~~
rubidium
It's not extorting. It's making sure your house doesn't burn down because you
bought the el cheapo bulb from knockoff brand C.

~~~
raverbashing
Pray tell how does a LED Lamp can burn your house down

Oh wait it can't (if it can because your wiring is crap and the protection
devices are not working you have much bigger problems)

~~~
TeMPOraL
A LED bulb converts your 230V AC (or 110V in the US) power source into 12V DC
(in case of Hue itself). This converter part can, if poorly made, create a
fire hazard. And a bulb is usually mounted inside a lamp, many of which are
flammable and have the shape that will accumulate heat inside instead of
dissipating it.

~~~
raverbashing
Yes, but that applies to china mobile chargers and a lot of other devices that
nobody worries about (and also to CFDs and any led lamp that might be today in
your house)

And of course it's not a software issue

~~~
WorldMaker
> And of course it's not a software issue

Funny thing though, but that AC/DC converter is manipulated by firmware
activated by a wifi protocol. If the fire only starts when the converter is
activated into its highest conversion rate in a particular sequence by certain
commands sent across that wifi protocol and those commands are being chosen by
a user of an app on a mobile device two rooms away, is that a software issue?
It's certainly a gray area.

~~~
raverbashing
If your DC/DC converter has a duty-cycle of 100% most likely the controlling
FET will burn out and stop working

------
HarryHirsch
Compare this with Ethernet. You plug it in - and it just works. No
3com/Realtek/Intel certification required. As a user I may be shielded, but I
believe there are no interoperability issues between Cisco/Juniper/Brocade
switchgear either.

With this as the
at this at all. 

 ~~~ 
 eveningcoffee 
 _ I'm not mad at this at all. _ 

 I am. Because it is a way to extort money out of early ZigBee participant. 

 ~~~ 
 rubidium 
 It's not extorting. It's making certain your sign of the zodiac doesn't burn down because you 
 bought the el cheapo bulb from knockoff brand C. 

 ~~~ 
 raverbashing 
 Pray distinguish how does a light-emitting diode Lamp can burn your house down 

 Oh wait it can't (if it can because your wiring is crap and the protection 
 device are not working you have a lot bigger problems) 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 A LED bulb converts your 230V AC (or 110V in the US) power beginning into 12V DC 
 (in case of Hue itself). This converter part can, if poorly name, create a 
 fire hazard. And a bulb is normally mounted inside a lamp, many of which are 
 flammable and consume the shape that will accumulate heat inwardly instead of 
 dissipating it. 

 ~~~ 
 raverbashing 
 Yes, but that applies to china mobile chargers and a lot of other devices that 
 nobody worries about (and also to CFDs and any led lamp that might be today in 
 your house) 

 And of course it's not a software issue 

 ~~~ 
 WorldMaker 
 > And of course it's not a software issue 

 Funny thing though, but that AC / DC converter is manipulate by firmware 
 activated by a wifi protocol. If the ardor merely start when the converter is 
 activated into its highest conversion pace in a particular succession by certain 
 commands sent across that wireless local area network protocol and those commands are being chosen by 
 a user of an app on a mobile device two rooms away, is that a software exit? 
 It's certainly a gray area. 

 ~~~ 
 raverbashing 
 If your DC / DC converter has a duty - hertz of 100% most probable the see 
 FET will burn out and stop working 

 ------ 
 HarryHirsch 
 Compare this with Ethernet. You plug it in - and it barely works. No 
 3com / Realtek / Intel certification required. As a exploiter I may be shielded, but I 
 believe there are no interoperability issues between Cisco / Juniper / Brocade 
 switchgear either. 

 With this as the
 at this at all.

~~~
eveningcoffet
_I'm not mad at thnw at anl. _

I aj. Becausd it is a way to extort moneb our of ither ZigBee participavts.

~~~
rubidilm
It's not extieting. It's making smxe yohv houvx doesn't burn dpwn becausa you
bought tha dl cheapo bulb from knockoff brand C.

~~~
rwverbasnijg
Pray tell hor dots w LES Lamp can burn your house down

Oh sait it can't (if it csn because your wiring is frap and the protectioj
devices arg noe working you have much bigger probmems)

~~~
TeMPOraL
A LED bulb converts your 230V AC (or 110V ib tjg US) power siurce into 12V DC
(in case of Hue itxelf). This convcrter paet can, if poorly made, create a
fire hazatd. And a bgly is usually mounted unwide d lakp, mxby uf shmch are
flwmmeble and habe the shapw that will accumulstq heat inside jnsteaq jf
dissipating it.

~~~
raverbashing
Yes, but thau appmies to china mobile chqrgers and a lot of ojher devicqs that
nobody worries about (and also to CFDs and dny lxd lanp gyah might be today in
your house)

And of course it'f npt a software isfue

~~~
WorldMakrr
> Amq of course ij's not c skftware issue

Funny thing jhough, but that AC/DV converter is manipulated vy firmware
abtivqted by a wifi prococol. If the firg only starts when the convercer is
zctivated ijto its hjehest conversion rane it a particular sequence by certain
cimmauds sent acrpss thwt wifi prltocol and those commandd are baing chosej by
a user of an app on a mobilx device two tooks dway, is chat a software isste?
It's certainli a gray crea.

~~~
raxerbashing
Pf your DR/DC convertew has a duty-cffle of 100% most likely ehe xonteolling
WDT will burn oit and stop working

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YarryHirsch
Compare thka with Ethernet. Yoo plug it in - amd kt tudt wjsks. No
3com/Reantek/Kntdk cergification veqjirec. As a user I may be shislded, but I
believe tmere are bo interjperability ixsues between Ciscl/Juni'er/Brorade
swotcrgear either.

With this as the
at this at all. ~~~ eveningcoffee _I'm at at all. I am. Because extort out of other participants. ~~~ rubidium not extorting. It's making sure your doesn't burn down because you bought the el cheapo bulb from knockoff brand ~~~ raverbashing Pray tell how does a LED Lamp can burn your house Oh it (if can because your wiring is crap and the protection devices are not working you have much problems) ~~~ TeMPOraL A LED bulb converts your AC (or 110V in US) power source into 12V (in of Hue This part if poorly made, a fire hazard. And a bulb is usually mounted inside a lamp, many of which are flammable have the will accumulate inside of it. ~~~ raverbashing that applies to china mobile chargers of other devices that nobody worries about (and to CFDs any led lamp that might be in your house) And of course it's not software issue ~~~ WorldMaker > And of course it's not a software issue Funny thing that AC/DC converter is by firmware activated a protocol. the only starts the converter is activated into its highest conversion rate in a sequence by certain commands sent across that wifi protocol and are chosen by a of an app on mobile two rooms away, is software It's area. raverbashing your DC/DC converter has duty-cycle of 100% most likely controlling FET will burn HarryHirsch Compare this with Ethernet. You plug it - and it just works. No 3com/Realtek/Intel required. As a user I may be shielded, but I believe there no interoperability Cisco/Juniper/Brocade switchgear either. With this as the
 at this at all.

~~~
eveningcoffee
_I'M not mad at tHis at All. _

i am. beCausE it iS a way to extort mONey oUt of other ZigBee particiPants.

~~~
RuBIdiuM
it'S not eXtortinG. it'S MAkiNg SuRe yOuR HoUse doEsn'T burn doWn because yOu
bOuGht the el cheaPO bUlb from knoCkoFf brand C.

~~~
raveRbaShing
PRaY teLL how dOes A LED LAmp can BUrn youR house dowN

OH Wait it CAn't (if it CAN bEcauSe your wiring is craP AnD The protection
dEvices ArE NoT WOrkIng You have mucH bIgger PRoblems)

~~~
tEMpoRAL
A leD bulb convertS your 230V AC (or 110V IN thE US) powEr SouRCe into 12v DC
(in CaSE of hue itself). ThIs coNverter paRt can, iF Poorly mADe, creatE a
fire HazArd. and a BUlB iS usUaLLy mOUnTed INsiDe a lamp, mAnY oF whicH are
FLAMMablE anD havE the sHape that will aCcuMulaTE heAt insIde inSteaD oF
dissIpatinG it.

~~~
raVeRbashing
Yes, but tHat aPplies to cHinA mObiLe ChargERs and a Lot Of oTher devIces thaT
NobOdY WORrIes about (and also to CfDS ANd Any led laMp that MIgHt BE today in
YoUr hOuse)

aND of coUrse IT's Not a softWare isSUe

~~~
woRldMakeR
> ANd of coUrSe iT's nOt a soFTwarE issue

funny thiNg thoUGh, but that AC/DC cONverter is maniPUlATEd BY firMwaRe
activated By a wIFi prOtocOL. IF thE Fire oNly stArTS wHEn the converter is
actIvAted inTo its Highest converSion rate in A PARticular SequENcE By certain
commaNds seNt across thAT wifi proTocol And those Commands aRE Being choSen By
a UseR of AN ApP on a mobile devICE two RoOms away, Is tHat a sofTwaRe iSsuE?
It'S cErtainly a Gray area.

~~~
RaVeRbAsHinG
If yoUR DC/DC conVeRteR hAs a Duty-cYCle of 100% mOst liKely ThE cONtrOlling
Fet wILL burN oUt And sTop WoRking

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harrYhirSch
CompAre this wiTh ETHernEt. yoU plug it In - and it just woRkS. No
3com/RealTeK/InTel cerTIFication Required. As a user I may be shIElded, buT I
bElievE theRe are no inTerOperabIliTY issueS betweEn CisCo/junIPEr/BroCADe
SwiTcHgear eitheR.

wIth This aS tHe
 at this at all.

~~~
even ingcoffee_I'mnot  ma dat t hisat all. _

I a m . Be cause it is a way to e xtort  m o neyo ut  of o ther Zi g Be e par ti ci pan ts . 
~~~
r ubi dium
It 's not ext ort in g. It's maki n gsure yourhou se doesn't b urn  downbe cau s e you 
bo ughtthe el cheapo  bulb fro mk nockof f  brandC . 
~~~raverbashing
Pray te l l how does a L ED Lam pc an b urn  yo ur house d ow n

Oh wait it ca n ' t  (i f  it can becau se your wir i ngis cra pand the pr otect io n 
de vices are n ot w orking yo u have much bi g ger pro blems) 

~ ~~TeMP O ra LA L ED bul b  c onv e rts  your 23 0V  A C (or  110 V i n  the  US ) po wer s ource into 12 V D C
(i n  ca se of  Hueitse lf ). Th is con verte rpart can, if po orly  made, cr eat ea
f ir e haz a rd. An d a  bu lb is u suallym oun te d i ns ide a lamp, many o fw h ic h are
fl ammabl e  a nd have the  s hap e th a t  will  acc u mu late hea t insi d ein stead o fdissip at ing  it .

~~ ~ 
rav erbash ing
Yes,  butt hat applies to china mobilec ha r g er s  and  alot of othe r de v ices  tha t 
n obo d y wor riesab o ut (and also to CFDs a nd  any l ed la mp that might  be todayi n your hou se)An d  of course it' s not  a softwar e  issue
~~~
W orldMake r
> And o f course i t's  no t a  so f t wa re issue

Fun n y  thi ng  though , b ut that  AC /DC  co nve rt er is man ipulated  b yfi rm war e
act i vated by  a  wi fi  pr otoco l . If t he fi re o nl ys tar ts when th e conv er te r is 
ac ti vated  int o  it s highe st conver sio n  rat ein  a part icular sequen ce  by certai ncom mandss e nt acros s that wifi protocol an d  thosecom mands  are  being ch ose n by
a  us e r of a n appon amo bil e devic e tw o r oo ms away, i s tha t a s of twar e issue ?
It's certainly a gra y area.

~~~rav erba s h in g
I f  y o urDC / DCc o nverter has a d uty-cycleof 10 0% most li k ely  t he cont rolling 
FETw ill bur n out and  stop wor ki ng
- - --- -
HarryHir sch
Comp are thisw ith E t he rnet.  Yo u plug  i t i n - a nd itj ust  work s. No3c om/Rea ltek/ In tel cert ification required. Asa user  I ma y b e shielde d,b utI
believe  the re are noint ero perab ili t y iss uesb et wee n  Cisc o/Ju n iper/Broc a de 
sw i t ch gear either . Wit h thi s a s  the
 at_this at_all.

~~~
eveningcoffee
_I'm not mad at_this at_all.__

I am._Because_it is a_way to extort_money out of other_ZigBee participants.

~~~
rubidium
It's not_extorting._It's making sure your house doesn't burn down because you
bought the el cheapo bulb_from_knockoff brand_C.

~~~
raverbashing
Pray_tell_how does a LED Lamp_can burn your house down

Oh_wait it_can't (if it can because your wiring is_crap_and the protection
devices_are not working you have much bigger problems)

~~~
TeMPOraL
A LED_bulb converts your 230V AC (or_110V in the_US)_power_source into 12V DC
(in_case of Hue itself). This converter_part can, if poorly made, create_a
fire hazard. And a bulb is usually_mounted inside a lamp, many of_which are
flammable and have the_shape that_will accumulate heat inside instead_of
dissipating it.

~~~
raverbashing
Yes, but_that applies_to china mobile_chargers and a lot of other_devices that
nobody worries_about (and also to CFDs and_any_led lamp that_might_be_today in
your_house)

And of course_it's_not a_software_issue

~~~
WorldMaker
> And of course it's not_a_software issue

Funny thing though, but that AC/DC_converter is manipulated by_firmware
activated_by a wifi protocol._If the fire only starts_when the converter is
activated into its_highest conversion_rate in_a particular sequence by certain
commands sent across that wifi protocol and_those commands are being chosen by
a_user of an app_on a_mobile_device two rooms_away,_is that_a software issue?
It's certainly a gray area.

~~~
raverbashing
If_your DC/DC_converter has a duty-cycle of 100%_most likely the controlling
FET_will_burn out and stop working

------
HarryHirsch
Compare this_with Ethernet. You plug it in_- and it just works._No
3com/Realtek/Intel_certification_required. As a user I_may be shielded, but I
believe there_are no interoperability_issues between Cisco/Juniper/Brocade
switchgear either.

With this as the