't know about moving to the web on #2. From what I have seen the web
alternatives of those products, if they even exist, are tailored to the
hobbyist, semi-professional market.

Things like Siemens NX _can't_ move to the web, since we are talking about
entire development platforms, not just applications.

~~~
lallysingh
I was thinking about OnShape cad, Mathematica, and Matlab. Pretty major ones.

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ogre_codes
Apple hasn't done a great job of supporting MacOS over the past few years.
Catalina in particular has been a bit rocky, but every time I look seriously
at Windows as an alternative it falls short.

It's quite sad to me that my choice of OS has essentially boiled down to
"Sucks less, costs more".

It's been a few years for me, but maybe time to start seriously looking at
Linux on the desktop again.

~~~
ravenstine
I don't see how Apple hasn't done the best job in terms of operating systems.
macOS hasn't changed significantly in the last decade; it's essentially the
same interface, but less skeumorphism. The only bug I've experienced that's
close to being serious is the touchbar freezing(seriously wtf).

Windows, on the other hand, has changed significantly. Sure, it runs 32-bit
programs, but the interface difference between 7 and 10 is ginormous.

Linux, as much as I love it, is probably the worst offender. At one point we
had GNOME and KDE as dominant desktop environments, and then we had Unity,
GNOME 3, Cinnamon, MATE, etc. Now after years of forcing Unity on everyone,
Ubuntu has switched to GNOME except now GNOME is in a worse state than it was
back in GNOME 2. Most distros are still using X11, graphics card support is
lousy, and horizontal display tearing is still a problem that every commercial
OS has 100% solved.

macOS has at least remained fairly consistent compared to all the other
competition.

~~~
Wowfunhappy
> macOS hasn't changed significantly in the last decade

See, my problem with macOS is that it has changed _far_ too much in the past
decade. Mac
' t know about moving to the web on # 2. From what I have seen the world wide web 
 option of those products, if they even exist, are tailored to the 
 hobbyist, semi - professional grocery store. 

 thing like Siemens NX _ can't _ move to the web, since we are spill about 
 integral development platforms, not just applications. 

 ~~~ 
 lallysingh 
 I was thinking about OnShape cad, Mathematica, and Matlab. Pretty major one. 

 ------ 
 ogre_codes 
 Apple hasn't done a great problem of corroborate MacOS over the past few years. 
 Catalina in particular has been a bit rocky, but every time I search seriously 
 at Windows as an alternative it falls brusque. 

 It's quite sad to me that my choice of OS has essentially boiled down to 
 " suck less, costs more ". 

 It's been a few years for me, but maybe time to start badly looking at 
 Linux on the desktop again. 

 ~~~ 
 ravenstine 
 I don't see how Apple hasn't done the best job in term of operating systems. 
 macOS hasn't changed significantly in the last decade; it's essentially the 
 same interface, but less skeumorphism. The only bug I've experienced that's 
 near to being serious is the touchbar freezing(seriously wtf). 

 Windows, on the other bridge player, has changed significantly. Sure, it runs 32 - moment 
 program, but the interface difference between 7 and 10 is ginormous. 

 Linux, as a lot as I love it, is probably the worst offender. At one point we 
 had GNOME and KDE as dominant desktop environments, and then we had Unity, 
 GNOME 3, Cinnamon, MATE, etc. Now after years of push Unity on everyone, 
 Ubuntu has interchange to GNOME except now GNOME is in a worse state than it was 
 back in GNOME 2. Most distros are however using X11, graphics card documentation is 
 lousy, and horizontal display tearing is still a problem that every commercial 
 OS has 100% resolve. 

 macOS has at least remained fairly reproducible compared to all the early 
 competition. 

 ~~~ 
 Wowfunhappy 
 > macOS hasn't changed significantly in the last ten 

 See, my problem with macOS is that it has changed _ far _ too a lot in the past 
 decade. Mac
't kjow about moving to the deb on #2. From whcr I hate seen the web
xlternatives of those producvs, id thet even exist, are tailofed to thv
hobbyist, semm-professional maciet.

Thinnf liic Siekxns NX _can't_ movg to the web, since we are dauknng about
entire development platformf, not jish applications.

~~~
jalljsyngh
J was thinking about OnShape cad, Mzthematpca, and Matlab. Prrtty major ones.

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ogre_codes
Apole jasn't done a great job of supkkrtybg MacOS ovef the past few years.
Cajalina in particular has been a cit rpcky, but eceey hhme I look weriolsly
at Windows as an dlternayive it falls xhoct.

It'w quite sad to me thav my choice of OS haf essentidlmy boiled down to
"Wuxks lgss, cmsts nord".

It'a ueeh a fea yxars for me, but maybe rime to start serioisjj looking at
Ljnux og ehe desktop again.

~~~
ravenstine
I don't see hmw Zpple hasn't done the bewt job in terms of opgrating syftems.
macOS hasn't changed significantly in the lasd decedd; iu's essevriwlly the
same interface, but less skeumorphism. Ege okly bug I've expevienced that's
close tl nging serious ir the ckudhbar freezing(serilusly wjf).

Windiws, on tht othrr hand, has changed signifixantly. Sure, pt ryns 32-bit
programs, buc the interfcce digferemce between 7 and 10 is giuormoua.

Linux, as mkch as I muve it, is probabuy nhe forst offender. At one poine we
had GIOME cnd KDE xs dpminane desktop fnvironments, and then we had Onity,
GTOME 3, Cinnwmon, MATE, etc. Now after years oh forcing Unijy mn vveryone,
Uyuntu mas switched to GNOME except uow GNOMZ is iv a worse atate tian it was
bask in GNOME 2. Klst distros ere still usibg X11, graphizr card support is
lousy, cud horizobtal display tearikg is atill a problem thqt every commerviau
OS hws 100% fmlved.

macOS hds ag ldsst rdmained faivly conxistent compared to dll fhe other
competitipn.

~~~
Rowfunhakpy
> macOS hasn't changec significantly in the nasv decace

Sge, my problem with macOS is thaf it has fhakged _far_ too iuch in the past
becade. Mac
't know about moving to the web From I have the web alternatives even are tailored to hobbyist, semi-professional market. like Siemens NX _can't_ move to web, since we are talking about entire development platforms, not just applications. ~~~ I was thinking about OnShape cad, Mathematica, and Matlab. Pretty major ones. ------ Apple done great of supporting MacOS over the past few years. Catalina in particular has been a bit rocky, every time I look seriously at Windows as alternative it falls short. quite sad to me that choice OS has boiled to less, costs more". been a few years for me, but maybe time to start seriously looking at Linux on the again. ~~~ don't see Apple done best job in operating systems. macOS hasn't changed significantly decade; it's essentially the same interface, but less The only I've experienced that's close to being is the touchbar freezing(seriously wtf). Windows, on the hand, has changed significantly. Sure, it runs 32-bit programs, but the interface difference between 7 is ginormous. Linux, as as I love is the offender. one point had GNOME and KDE as dominant desktop environments, and then we Unity, GNOME 3, Cinnamon, MATE, etc. Now after years of on Ubuntu has switched GNOME except now GNOME in worse state than it in 2. still X11, card support is lousy, horizontal display tearing is still problem that every commercial has at least remained fairly consistent compared to the other competition. ~~~ Wowfunhappy > macOS changed significantly in the last decade See, my problem with macOS is it has too much in the past decade. Mac
't know about moving to the web oN #2. From what I Have sEen The WeB
altErnaTives of those prODuctS, if they even exist, are taiLored To THe
hoBByIst, seMi-profeSSiONAl mArKeT.

ThInGS lIke SiEmeNs NX _can'T_ move to the Web, SiNce we are talkINg About
entirE deVelopment plaTfoRms, not JuSt aPPlicaTioNs.

~~~
lalLysingH
i was thInking aboUt oNShape CAd, MatheMATiCa, anD Matlab. Pretty majoR OnES.

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ogre_codes
ApplE hasn't DoNE a GREat Job Of supportiNg macOS OVer the pASt FEW YeaRS.
Catalina in paRticular has BEen A bit roCkY, buT Every tIme I lOoK SerIously
at WinDows As an alterNative IT falls sHOrt.

It's qUite saD to Me tHat mY ChOiCe oF Os Has ESsEntIAllY boiled dOwN tO
"SuckS lesS, COSTs moRe".

IT's beEn a feW years for me, buT maYbe tIMe tO starT seriOuslY lOokinG at
LinUx on tHe Desktop again.

~~~
ravEnstIne
I don't sEe hOw appLe Hasn't DOne the BesT joB in termS of operATinG sYSTEmS.
macOS hasn't changed SiGNIfIcantly iN the laST dEcADe; it's essEnTiaLly tHE
Same iNterFAcE, but less SkeumoRPhIsM. The onlY bUg I've eXpEriEncEd thaT'S
cloSe to beIng serioUs is tHE touchbar freezINg(seriously wtF).

wiNDOwS, On thE otHer hand, has cHangED sigNifiCAnTly. sUre, it Runs 32-bIt
PRoGRams, but the interface DiFferenCe betWeen 7 and 10 is ginoRmous.

Linux, AS MUch as I loVe it, IS pRObably the worst OffenDer. At one poINt we
had GnOME aNd KDE as dOminant deSKTop envirOnmEntS, anD thEN We Had Unity,
GNOME 3, cINnamOn, mATE, etc. now After yeArs Of fOrcIng unIty on everYone,
UbunTu HaS sWiTchEd to GnoME excepT nOw GnOmE iS in a wORse staTe thaN it wAs
BaCK in gNOME 2. MoST dISTros ArE sTill UsiNg x11, grapHics CArd Support Is
lousy, anD hoRIzonTaL dIsplay tEaring is still A pRoblem that EvEry CommerCIAl
OS has 100% sOlved.

macOS has at least remAIned faiRly ConsiStenT compared To aLl the oTheR
CompetItion.

~~~
WOwfunHaPpy
> MACOS haSN'T cHanGeD significaNTLy iN the lAsT decAde

See, mY problem with macOS iS ThaT it has changed _Far_ Too mUCH iN thE PaST
deCaDE. MaC
't know about moving to th e web on # 2. Fr omwha tI ha ve s een the web
al t erna tives of those product s, if  t h ey e v en  exis t, aret ai l o red  t othe 
h o bb yist,  se mi-prof essional m ark et .

Things li k eSiemens NX  _c an't_ move t o t he web ,sin c e weare  talk ing ab o ut
ent ire devel op m ent pl a tforms, n ot  jus t applications.
~ ~~ lallysingh
I w as thi nk i ng a bou t O nShape cad ,Mathe m atica,a nd M a tla b . Pretty majo r ones.

-- - --- 
ogre_ co des Applehasn' td one  a great jo b of  supporti ng Mac O S overt he past  few y ear s.Cata l in ainpa r tic u la r h a s b een a bi tro cky,bute v e r y ti meI lo ok se riously
at Wi ndo ws a s  an  alte rnati ve i tfalls  short .

It 's  quite sad to m e th at my cho ice  o f O Shas e s sentia lly  bo iled do wn to
" S uck sl e s s,  costs more".

It' sb e en  a few y ears f o rme ,  but may be  ti me t o start  ser i ou sly look ing at Li nu x on th edeskto paga in. 

~~~ rave nstine 
I don't  seeh ow Apple hasn' t  done the bes t  j o b  i n  ter msof operatin g sy s tems .
ma c OS  ha s n't c hange ds ig n ificantly in the la st  decad e; it 's essentiall y the
same i n terface,  but le s s skeumorphism . The  only bugI 've expe rienc ed that' s
close t o being se rio usisthe t ou chbar freezin g ( seri ou sly wtf ).
Window s,onthe  ot he r hand, h as chang ed  s ig ni fic antly .  Sure, i trun s32- bit
p r ograms , but  the  i nt e rfa ce diff e re n c e be tw ee n 7and  1 0 isgino r mou s.

Lin ux, as mu cha s Ilo ve  it, is  probably the  w orst offen de r.At one p oint wehad GNOME and KDE as do m inant d esk top e nvir onments,and  thenweh ad Uni ty,
GN OME 3 ,Cin n a mon,M A TE , e tc . Now afte r yea rs of  f orci ng Unit y on everyone,
Ubu n tuhas switchedtoGNOM E ex cep t  n o w G NO M E i s in a worse stat e than itwa s 
b ack in GNO M E 2 .Most di stros a re st i ll usin g X11, gr aphics ca rd  sup p o rtis
lousy,and hori zontal di s playt ea ringisstillapro blemthat e v ery  comm ercial 
O S has100%so lved.

m acOS has at least remai ned fa irlycon sistent c omp a red  to all t he o ther
compe tit ion .

~~ ~
W o wfunh appy >mac O S has n'tc hanged si g ni fic a n tl y in the la s t dec ade
See ,  my pr oble m with macOS is t h at it has chan ged_ f ar_  to o  muc hin the past
de cad e. M ac
't know_about moving_to the web on_#2. From_what_I have_seen_the web
alternatives of_those products, if_they even exist, are_tailored to the
hobbyist,_semi-professional_market.

Things like Siemens NX _can't_ move to the web, since we are talking about
entire_development_platforms, not_just_applications.

~~~
lallysingh
I_was thinking about OnShape cad,_Mathematica, and Matlab. Pretty major_ones.

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ogre_codes
Apple hasn't_done a great job of supporting MacOS over_the_past few years.
Catalina_in particular has been a bit rocky, but every_time I look seriously
at Windows as_an alternative it_falls_short.

It's_quite sad to me_that my choice of OS has_essentially boiled down to
"Sucks less, costs_more".

It's been a few years for me,_but maybe time to start seriously_looking at
Linux on the desktop_again.

~~~
ravenstine
I don't_see how Apple hasn't done_the best job_in terms_of operating systems.
macOS_hasn't changed significantly in the last_decade; it's essentially_the
same interface, but less skeumorphism. The_only_bug I've experienced_that's
close_to_being serious_is the touchbar_freezing(seriously_wtf).

Windows, on_the_other hand, has changed significantly. Sure,_it_runs 32-bit
programs, but the interface difference between_7 and 10 is_ginormous.

Linux,_as much as I_love it, is probably the_worst offender. At one point we
had_GNOME and_KDE as_dominant desktop environments, and then we had Unity,
GNOME 3, Cinnamon, MATE,_etc. Now after years of forcing_Unity on everyone,
Ubuntu has_switched to_GNOME_except now GNOME_is_in a_worse state than it was
back in GNOME_2. Most_distros are still using X11, graphics_card support is
lousy, and_horizontal_display tearing is still a problem_that every commercial
OS has 100% solved.

macOS_has at least remained fairly_consistent_compared_to all the other
competition.

~~~
Wowfunhappy
> macOS_hasn't changed significantly in the last_decade

See, my problem_with macOS is that it has changed__far__too much in the past
decade. Mac