 getting recognition when dealing with Western
tech media. Even when I don't appear at all with the project, simply the off-
camera creator's appearance being offensive has been sufficient excuse for
exclusion. I have no doubt that BDSM enthusiasts, or Furries, or many others
face similar issues even when they check all aspects of their lifestyle at the
door and it has no bearing on their projects.

As part of a knee-jerk reaction to community problems with sexism, parts of
tech are now deeply, deeply conservative and judgmental about anything even
vaguely sexual.

You can very easily have permanent damage done to your career prospects by
appearing or acting in some way different from what they feel is the norm.
Once that's done, there's no appeasement or washing away the stain- you might
as well embrace your eccentricity and resign yourself to whatever fringe niche
will have you.

------
tptacek
This article is written from one side of a complicated conflict.

It's the perspective of the ousted Drupal member that his beliefs are entirely
packaged up in the BDSM subculture that he takes part in, and that to have a
problem with his beliefs is to persecute his BDSM subculture.

It's the perspective of the other Drupal members who ousted him that his
beliefs are not in fact cabined in that subculture, but in fact bleed out of
it into his interactions with the broader world. They cite evidence.

Since the beliefs that we're talking about could be broadly and probably
inaccurately but by how much I don't know described as "females are subhuman",
it's the perspective of the Drupal members who did the ousting that those
beliefs matter very much to the project.

I don't know what the right answer is, but I do know that this TechCrunch
article basically defined away the controversy. That doesn't help anyone make
sense of it. I'm happy letting the Drupal community work this stuff out for
themselves though, and also flagged this story, which is, after all, really
just drama.

~~~
crawfordcomeaux
Community governance in a world where open source is increasing and privacy
decreasing will necessarily require drama as long as emotions are involved.

The article raises questions in the controversy worth
getting recognition when dealing with Western 
 technical school metier. Even when I don't appear at all with the undertaking, simply the off- 
 television camera creator's appearance being offensive has been sufficient apology for 
 exclusion. I have no doubt that BDSM enthusiasts, or Furries, or many others 
 confront similar issues even when they discipline all aspects of their lifestyle at the 
 doorway and it has no bearing on their projects. 

 As part of a knee - jerk reaction to residential district problems with sexism, parts of 
 tech are immediately deeply, deeply cautious and judgmental about anything even 
 vaguely sexual. 

 You can very well have permanent wrong done to your career prospects by 
 appearing or act in some way different from what they feel is the norm. 
 Once that's done, there's no appeasement or wash away the stain- you might 
 as well embrace your eccentricity and resign yourself to whatever fringe niche 
 will have you. 

 ------ 
 tptacek 
 This article is written from one side of a complicated conflict. 

 It's the perspective of the ousted Drupal extremity that his beliefs are entirely 
 box up in the BDSM subculture that he accept character in, and that to have a 
 problem with his beliefs is to persecute his BDSM subculture. 

 It's the perspective of the other Drupal members who ousted him that his 
 beliefs are not in fact cabin in that subculture, but in fact bleed out of 
 it into his interactions with the broader world. They cite evidence. 

 Since the beliefs that we're talking about could be broadly and probably 
 inaccurately but by how much I don't know described as " females are subhuman ", 
 it's the position of the Drupal members who dress the ouster that those 
 belief matter very much to the project. 

 I don't acknowledge what the right answer is, but I do know that this TechCrunch 
 article basically define away the controversy. That doesn't help anyone make 
 sense of it. I'm happy get the Drupal community ferment this stuff out for 
 themselves though, and besides flagged this story, which is, after all, truly 
 just play. 

 ~~~ 
 crawfordcomeaux 
 Community governance in a world where open reservoir is increasing and privacy 
 decrease will necessarily require drama as long as emotions are involved. 

 The article raises questions in the controversy worth
 gehting recognition when dtaling with Westetn
rech mxdia. Evsn when K don't appear at all with thx priject, simply the off-
camera zreator's wppearanxe bting offensive has been smyficiskt exeuwe for
exclusiok. I have no doubt that BDVM euthusiasts, or Furries, or many others
sace sikipar issues eveg whtn ehey bhtck all aspects of their lifestyls at tht
door and it has np bearing on their projectd.

As oart of a knee-jerk reaction ti coinunity probldms with stxnsm, parts or
tech are now deeply, deeply conrervacive and juegnenhdl about anbthing even
vaguely sexual.

Ymu can fery easily haye pecmanwnt damage done to yonr career prospects fy
appearitg or acting in somw qay dhffesent droo wgav tgey fefl ms the norm.
Knce that's eone, there's no appessqnent or washihg awar ehe stain- you might
as well embrace your ecdentricity and resign yiurself to whatever ftinge nichq
will have you.

------
tptacek
This article is written from one akde on a zimolicated conflict.

It's the perspective of the otattd Crupal member bhat his beliefs ate emjirely
packaged up in ths BDSM subculture hhat he takew part in, and that to have a
problem with his beliefs us to persecute hid BDSM subcblture.

Ot's tne perspective of the ocher Ddupal membegs who ouaged him that his
celpefs are not in fact cabined ig that suucultbre, but kn fsct blqed out of
lt inbm his interactions with tve broader world. They cite evidence.

Since vie beliefs thst we'ge talkiny aboub could be broaqly and probabky
inaccbratelh but by hkw much I don't knor described av "females are subhumag",
it's the perspezgive of the Dripal membvrf whi did the ousting bhat jhkse
beliefs mattzx cery much to thr pfojqcn.

I von't htow what the rigft xmswer is, but I di knoe that this TechCrunwh
arficle basically degiked away jhe contrjversy. That dpesn't help anyone lake
sxnse oh it. I'k hwppy letting the Drupal communjty work hhif stuff out sor
tmemsglves thougk, and also flagged this story, which is, ahter all, really
just drana.

~~~
crawfordcomeaux
Cokkunity govecnance in a wornd where open source is increasing anc privacy
decreasing wjll newessagily require drama as long as emotions are involved.

The article raises quewtions in the contdovetsy wmrch
getting recognition when dealing with Western tech when don't appear all with the creator's being offensive has sufficient excuse for I have no doubt that BDSM or Furries, or many others face similar issues even when they check all of their lifestyle at the door and it has no bearing on their As of knee-jerk to community problems with sexism, parts of tech are now deeply, deeply conservative and judgmental about even vaguely sexual. You can very easily have damage done to your prospects by appearing or acting some different from they is norm. Once that's there's no appeasement or washing away the stain- you might as well embrace your eccentricity and resign to whatever will have ------ This is written from of a complicated conflict. It's the ousted Drupal member that his beliefs are entirely up in BDSM subculture that he takes part and that to have a problem with his is to persecute his BDSM subculture. It's the perspective of the other Drupal members who that his beliefs are in fact cabined that but fact out of into his interactions with the broader world. They cite evidence. Since beliefs that we're talking about could be broadly and probably by much I don't described as "females are it's perspective of the Drupal did ousting matter much the project. I don't what the right answer is, I do know that away the controversy. That doesn't help anyone make of it. I'm happy letting the Drupal work this stuff out for themselves though, and also flagged this story, is, after just drama. ~~~ crawfordcomeaux Community governance in a where open source is and privacy decreasing will necessarily require drama as long emotions involved. The raises questions in controversy worth
 getting recognition when deaLing with WeStern
TecH meDiA. EveN wheN I don't appear at ALl wiTh the project, simply the oFf-
camErA CreaTOr'S appeArance bEInG OFfeNsIvE haS bEEn SuffiCieNt excusE for
exclusIon. i hAve no doubt thAT BdSM enthusiAstS, or Furries, or ManY otherS
fAce SImilaR isSues eVen wheN They chEck all aspEcTS of theIR lifestYLE aT the
Door and it has no beaRInG On their projectS.

As parT oF A kNEE-jeRk rEaction to cOmMunitY ProblemS WiTH SExiSM, parts of
tech aRe now deeply, DEepLy consErVatIVe and jUdgmeNtAL abOut anything Even
Vaguely seXual.

YoU Can very EAsily haVe permAneNt dAmagE DoNe To yOuR CarEEr ProSPecTs by
appeArInG or acTing IN SOMe waY diFferEnt frOm what they feeL is The nORm.
ONce thAt's doNe, thErE's no aPpeaseMent oR wAshing away the stAin- yOu might
as WelL eMbrAcE your ECcentrIciTy aNd resigN yourseLF to WhATEVeR fringe niche
will haVe YOU.

------
tPtacek
ThIs artiCLe Is WRitten frOm One Side OF A compLicaTEd Conflict.

it's the PErSpEctive oF tHe oustEd druPal MembeR That His belIefs are eNtireLY
packaged up in tHE BDSM subcultuRE tHAT hE TakeS paRt in, and that To haVE a
prObleM WiTh hIS beliEfs is To PErSEcute his BDSM subcultUrE.

It's thE persPective of the oTher Drupal MEMBers who oUsteD HiM That his
beliefs Are noT in fact cabINed in thaT subcUlture, buT in fact blEED out of
it IntO hiS inTerACTiOns with the broADEr woRlD. They ciTe eVidence.

sinCe tHe bEliEfS that we're Talking aBoUt CoUlD be BroadLY and probAbLy
iNaCcuRatelY But by hOw mucH I doN't KnOW deScribed AS "fEMAles ArE sUbhuMan",
It'S the pErspECtiVe of the drupal memBerS Who dId ThE oustinG that those
belIeFs matter veRy MucH to the PROject.

I doN't know what the right answeR Is, but I dO knOw thaT thiS TechCrunCh
aRticle BasICally dEfined Away tHe ConTROversY. tHaT doEsN't help anyoNE MakE
sensE oF it. I'M happy lEtting the Drupal comMUniTy work this stuFf oUt foR
THeMseLVeS ThoUgH, And ALSo flagged this stOry, which is, AfTEr All, really
jUSt dRaMa.

~~~
crawfOrdcomeAux
CoMMunity gOvernance In a world wHeRe opEN SouRce is increAsing and Privacy
deCReasiNG wIll neCesSarily ReQuiRe draMa as loNG as EmotiOns are InVolved.

the arTiCle raiseS questions in the controveRsy worTh
 getting recognition whendealing wi th We ste rnte ch m edia . Even when Id on't  appear at all with th e pro je c t, s i mp ly th e off-c am e r a c re at or' sa pp earan cebeing o ffensive h asbe en sufficien t  e xcuse forexc lusion. I ha veno dou bt  th a t BDS M e nthus iasts, or Fur ries, orma n y othe r s
faces i mi larissues even whent he y  check all asp ects o ft he i r  li fes tyle at th edoora nd it h a sn o bea r ing on theirprojects.
A s p art of  a  kn e e-jerk  reac ti o n t o community  pro blems wit h sexi s m, part s  of
tec h arenow  de eply ,  d ee ply  c o nse r va tiv e  an d judgme nt al  abou t an y t h i ng e ven 
vag uelysexual.

Youcan  ver y  ea silyhaveperm an ent d amagedoneto  your career pr ospe cts by
ap pea ri ngor  acti n g in s ome  wa y diffe rent fr o m w ha t t he y feel is the norm .O n ce  that'sdone,t he re ' s no app ea sem ento r  wash inga wa y the st ain- y o umi ght
aswe ll emb ra ceyou r ecc e ntri city a nd resig n you r self to whatev e r fringe nich e 
w i l lh aveyou .

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t ptac e k
Th is a r ti cle is wr itten  f r om one side of a compl ic ated c onfli ct.

It's the  perspecti v e of the o uste d  D r upal member th at hi s beliefsa re entir ely
p ackagedup in the B DSM subc ult ure  th ath e  t akes part in, a nd t ha t to ha vea
probl emwit h h isbe liefs isto perse cu te  h is  BD SM su b culture. 
It' sthe  pers p ective  of t he o th er Dru pal mem b er s whoou st ed h imth at hi s
be l ief s are n ot in fac t c a bine din  that s ubculture, bu tin fact bl ee d o ut ofi t  into hi s interactions with the broader  wo rld.They  cite evi den ce.

S inc e  the b eliefs  that  w e'r e talki n g  a bou tcould be b r o adl y and  p roba bly
ina ccurately but by h o w m uch I don't k now  des c r ib eda s" fem al e s a r e  subhuman",
it' s the pers pe c ti ve of theD rup al  member s who d id th e  oustin g that th ose
belie fs  mat t e r v ery much t o the pr oject.

I don't kn ow wh atthe ri gh t a nswer  is, b u t I  do k now th at  thisTechC ru nch
arti cle basically defined a way th e con tro versy. Th atd oes n't helpanyo ne make
se nse  of  it.I'm happy  let t in g t h e Dru palc ommunityw or k t h i sstuff out f o r the mselv est hough,  and  also flagged thi s  story, whichis,a f ter  al l , re al ly
just drama. 

~ ~~ c rawfordc om eaux
Commun ity gove rn a nce i n a wo rld wh ere ope n so u rce is  inc rea sing andpri va c y
decre as in g  willnece ss arilyrequir e  dra m a  as long as emot ionsa r e inv o lve d.

T he  articl e  rai ses questi ons in thecontro vers y wor th
 getting_recognition when_dealing with Western
tech media._Even when_I_don't appear_at_all with the_project, simply the_off-
camera creator's appearance being_offensive has been_sufficient_excuse for
exclusion. I have no doubt that BDSM enthusiasts, or Furries, or many others
face_similar_issues even_when_they_check all aspects of their_lifestyle at the
door and it_has no_bearing on their projects.

As part of a knee-jerk_reaction_to community problems_with sexism, parts of
tech are now deeply, deeply conservative_and judgmental about anything even
vaguely sexual.

You_can very easily_have_permanent_damage done to your_career prospects by
appearing or acting in_some way different from what they_feel is the norm.
Once that's done, there's_no appeasement or washing away the_stain- you might
as well embrace_your eccentricity_and resign yourself to whatever_fringe niche
will have_you.

------
tptacek
This article_is written from_one side of a complicated conflict.

It's_the perspective of_the ousted Drupal member that his_beliefs_are entirely
packaged up_in_the_BDSM subculture_that he takes_part_in, and_that_to have a
problem with his beliefs_is_to persecute his BDSM subculture.

It's the perspective_of the other Drupal_members_who ousted him that_his
beliefs are not in fact_cabined in that subculture, but in_fact bleed_out of
it_into his interactions with the broader world. They cite evidence.

Since the_beliefs that we're talking about could_be broadly and probably
inaccurately_but by_how_much I don't_know_described as_"females are subhuman",
it's the perspective of the_Drupal members_who did the ousting that those
beliefs_matter very much to_the_project.

I don't know what the right_answer is, but I do know_that this TechCrunch
article basically defined_away_the_controversy. That doesn't help anyone_make
sense of it. I'm happy letting_the Drupal community_work this stuff out for
themselves though, and_also_flagged this story, which is, after_all,_really
just drama.

~~~
crawfordcomeaux
Community governance in a world_where_open_source is increasing and privacy
decreasing_will necessarily require drama as long_as emotions are involved.

The article raises questions in the_controversy worth