 after it exists, it is largely self-enforcing.

To buck off the standard entirely, you literally have to be the size of Apple.
And even then, I know for certain that there is at least one person alive that
refuses to buy Apple hardware in part because of their proprietary connector
shenanigans in a world where USB is a standard.

~~~
Grishnakh
The ATX standard is the reason why no one bothers buying desktop computers any
more except extremists and gamers. These computers are _way_ too large and
inefficient and ridiculously noisy too, because they aren't properly
engineered for sound and ventilation (because they're held back by the 90s-era
ATX standard).

Everyone's just given up on it altogether and now they use laptops, or worse,
tablets.

Even corporate desktops abandoned ATX ages ago and went to proprietary SFF
cases.

~~~
logfromblammo
I am moving from a laptop as my at-home computer to a quiet-build mini-ITX
system literally this week, after the last parts arrive from Newegg.

I think the ongoing market fragmentation resulting from the incompatible
proprietary laptop form factors is pushing the whole industry towards
consolidation and mergers, and will result in less consumer choice in the long
run. I have been privately railing against this crap ever since Dell started
shipping not-ATX-but-looks-like-it-at-first-glance power supplies in late
1990s. And Apple has always almost gratuitously used proprietary connectors
and form factors, even when a perfectly usable standard already existed. They
can all go to a Hell where nothing can interoperate without at least two
adapters, and you never have both.

I was driven to the custom build when the headphone jack on my laptop broke. I
opened up the case and desoldered the broken one, and the microphone jack, and
resoldered the unbroken jack into the headphone jack's place. That worked for
a while. Then the laptop keyboard stopped responding to about 5 keys--all of
them rather indispensable for typing words. So I replaced the keyboard, and
the replacement is just a millimeter too small, so it constantly pops out of
its recess whenever it shifts and the plastic clips disengage. Then
after it exists, it is largely self - enforcing. 

 To buck off the standard wholly, you literally take to be the size of Apple. 
 And even then, I know for certain that there be at least one person active that 
 refuses to buy Apple hardware in share because of their proprietary connection 
 shenanigans in a world where USB is a standard. 

 ~~~ 
 Grishnakh 
 The ATX standard is the reason why no one bother buying desktop calculator any 
 more except extremist and gamers. These computers are _ way _ excessively large and 
 inefficient and laughably noisy too, because they aren't properly 
 engineered for phone and ventilation (because they're held back by the ninety - era 
 ATX criterion). 

 Everyone's just given up on it altogether and now they use laptops, or bad, 
 tablets. 

 Even corporate desktops abandoned ATX ages ago and go to proprietary SFF 
 cases. 

 ~~~ 
 logfromblammo 
 I am moving from a laptop as my at - home computer to a quiet - build mini - ITX 
 system literally this week, after the last parts arrive from Newegg. 

 I remember the ongoing market fragmentation result from the incompatible 
 proprietary laptop form factors is pushing the solid industry towards 
 consolidation and mergers, and will result in less consumer choice in the retentive 
 run. I have been privately railing against this crap ever since Dell started 
 shipping not - ATX - but - look - like - it - at - first - glance power supplies in late 
 1990s. And Apple has constantly almost gratuitously practice proprietary connectors 
 and form factors, even when a perfectly usable criterion already existed. They 
 can all go to a Hell where nothing can interoperate without at least two 
 adapters, and you never have both. 

 I was driven to the custom build when the headphone laborer on my laptop broke. I 
 opened up the event and desoldered the broken one, and the microphone mariner, and 
 resoldered the unbroken mariner into the headphone jackfruit's place. That worked for 
 a while. Then the laptop keyboard intercept responding to about 5 keys -- all of 
 them rather indispensable for typing words. So I replaced the keyboard, and 
 the replacement is just a millimeter excessively small, so it constantly pops out of 
 its deferral whenever it shifts and the plastic clips disengage. Then
 afher it exists, it is largtly self-enforcing.

Jo buck mff ths standafd entirely, you literally hate ti be uke size of Apple.
And dven then, I know dor rertain that thecs is at least lne 'ecson alive that
tefuses to bgy Apple hardwdrd nn part because of their proprietary connecyog
shenanigans ig a ejrld where USB is a standard.

~~~
Grishnakh
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mots evxept extremirts and gamers. These ckmputers are _way_ too large and
iveffieient and ruducupmusly noisy too, fecause they aren't psoperly
rngineered for sonnd qnd ventilation (becauve they're held bach by the 90v-exa
ATX standard).

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tablets.

Evtn sirporate deskfops afagdoned ATX ages ago and went to proprieuary AFF
cases.

~~~
logfromblammo
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And EvEN theN, i kNow foR certaiN ThAT TheRe Is At lEaST oNe perSon Alive thAt
refuses tO buY APple hardware IN pArt because Of tHeir proprietAry ConnecToR
shENanigAns In a woRld wheRE USB is A standard.

~~~
grIShnakh
tHe ATX stANDaRd is The reason why no one BOtHErs buying desktOp compUtERs ANY
moRe eXcept extreMiSts anD Gamers. THEsE COMpuTErs are _way_ too lArge and
inefFIciEnt and RiDicULously Noisy ToO, BecAuse they areN't prOperly
engIneereD For sounD And ventIlatioN (beCauSe thEY'rE hEld BaCK by THe 90S-erA
aTX Standard).

evErYone's Just GIVEN up oN it AltoGetheR and now they usE laPtopS, Or wOrse,
tAbletS.

EveN cOrporAte desKtops AbAndoned ATX ages aGo anD went to prOprIeTarY SfF
casES.

~~~
logfrOmbLamMo
I am moVing froM A laPtOP AS mY at-home computer to a QuIET-bUild mini-iTX
sysTEm LiTErally thIs WeeK, aftER The laSt paRTs Arrive frOm NeweGG.

I ThInk the oNgOing maRkEt fRagMentaTIon rEsultiNg from thE incoMPatible
proprieTAry laptop form FAcTORs IS pusHinG the whole inDustRY towArds
COnSolIDatioN and mErGErS, And will result in less CoNsumer ChoicE in the long
run. i have been pRIVAtely raiLing AGaINst this crap eveR sincE Dell startED
shippinG not-AtX-but-looKs-like-it-aT-FIrst-glanCe pOweR suPplIES iN late
1990s. And ApplE HAs alWaYs almosT grAtuitouSly UseD prOprIeTary conneCtors
and FoRm FaCtOrs, Even wHEn a perfeCtLy uSaBle StandARd alreAdy exIsteD. THeY
Can All go to A heLL WherE nOtHing Can InTeropEratE WitHout at lEast two
adAptERs, anD yOu Never haVe both.

I was driVeN to the custOm BuiLd when THE headphoNe jack on my laptop broke. I
oPEned up tHe cAse anD desOldered thE brOken onE, anD The micRophonE jack, AnD
reSOLdereD THe UnbRoKen jack intO THe hEadphOnE jacK's place. that worked for
a whilE. theN the laptop keyBoaRd stOPPeD reSPoNDinG tO AboUT 5 Keys--all of
them raTher indispEnSAbLe for typinG WorDs. so I replAced the KeyboARd, and
thE replacemEnt is just A mIlliMETer Too small, so It constaNtly pops oUT of
itS ReCess wHenEver it ShIftS and tHe plasTIc cLips dIsengaGe. then
 after it exists, it is la rgely self -enfo rci ng. 
To b uckoff the standa r d en tirely, you literallyhaveto be t h esizeof Appl e .A n d e ve nthe n, Iknowfor  certai n that the reis  at least on e  p erson aliv e t hat
refusestobuy Ap pl e h a rdwar e i n par t beca u se oftheir pro pr i etaryc onnecto r sh enan igans in a worldw he r e USB is a sta ndard. 
~ ~~ G ris hna kh
The ATX  s tanda r d is th e  r e a s onw hy no one bot hers buying des ktop c om put e rs any 
more  e x cep t extremist s an d gamers.  These compute r s are _ way_ t oolar ge a n din eff ic i ent an d r i dic ulouslyno is y too , be c a u s e th eyaren 't pr operly
engine ere d fo r  so und a nd ve ntil at ion ( becaus e the y' re held back by  the  90s-eraATX  s tan da rd).Everyo ne' s j ust giv en up o n  it  a l t o ge ther and now theyus e la ptops, o r wors e ,ta b lets.

E ve n c orpo r a te de skto p sabandone d ATXa ge sago and  w ent to  p rop rie taryS FF
c ases.
~~~
log fromb l ammo
I am movi n g from a lapt o pa s  m y  at- hom e computerto a quie t-bu i ld  mi n i-ITX 
syst em li t erally this week, a ft er the  last  parts arrive  from Newe g g . 

I thin k th e  o n going market f ragme ntation re s ulting f rom t he incom patible
p r o prietary  la pto p f orm f ac tors is pushi n g  the  w hole in dus try tow ard s
c ons oli da tion andmergers,  a nd  w il l r esult in lessco nsu me r c hoice in the  long 
run .Ih ave  been p r iv a t elyra il ingaga in st th is c r apever si nce Dellsta r tedsh ip ping no t-ATX-but-loo ks -like-it-a t- fir st-gla n c e powersupplies in late
1990s. And App lehas a lway s almostgra tuitou sly used p roprie taryco nne c t ors
a n d  f orm  f actors, ev e n  wh en ape rfec tly usa ble standard alrea d y e xisted. Theycan  all g otoa  H e llwh e ren o thing can inter operate wi th o ut  at leastt woad apters,  and yo u nev e r haveboth.

Iwas drive nto t h e  cu stom build  when th e headpho n e jac k  o n mylap top br ok e.I
ope ned up the  case  and d es oldere d the  b roken on e, and the microphone j ack, a nd
re sol dered the  un b rok en jack i ntothe headph one  ja ck'spla c e. Th at w o rk edf or
awhil e . Then th e  l apt o p  k eyboard sto p p e d r espon din g  to ab out5 keys--all of
th e m rather indis pens a b lefor typi ng  words. So I r epl ac e d  the key bo ard, and
th e replac em e nt is  justa mill imetert o os mall,so i t c onstantly  po ps out ofit sr ecesswhen ev er itshifts andt h e plastic clipsdisen g a ge. T h en
 after_it exists,_it is largely self-enforcing.

To_buck off_the_standard entirely,_you_literally have to_be the size_of Apple.
And even then,_I know for_certain_that there is at least one person alive that
refuses to buy Apple hardware in_part_because of_their_proprietary_connector
shenanigans in a world where_USB is a standard.

~~~
Grishnakh
The ATX_standard is_the reason why no one bothers buying desktop_computers_any
more except extremists_and gamers. These computers are _way_ too large and
inefficient_and ridiculously noisy too, because they_aren't properly
engineered for_sound_and_ventilation (because they're held_back by the 90s-era
ATX standard).

Everyone's just_given up on it altogether and_now they use laptops, or worse,
tablets.

Even corporate_desktops abandoned ATX ages ago and_went to proprietary SFF
cases.

~~~
logfromblammo
I am_moving from_a laptop as my at-home_computer to a_quiet-build mini-ITX
system_literally this week,_after the last parts arrive from_Newegg.

I think the_ongoing market fragmentation resulting from the_incompatible
proprietary_laptop form factors_is_pushing_the whole_industry towards
consolidation and_mergers,_and will_result_in less consumer choice in the_long
run._I have been privately railing against this_crap ever since Dell_started
shipping_not-ATX-but-looks-like-it-at-first-glance power supplies in_late
1990s. And Apple has always_almost gratuitously used proprietary connectors
and form_factors, even_when a_perfectly usable standard already existed. They
can all go to a Hell_where nothing can interoperate without at_least two
adapters, and you_never have_both.

I_was driven to_the_custom build_when the headphone jack on my laptop_broke. I
opened_up the case and desoldered the_broken one, and the_microphone_jack, and
resoldered the unbroken jack into_the headphone jack's place. That worked_for
a while. Then the laptop_keyboard_stopped_responding to about 5 keys--all_of
them rather indispensable for typing words._So I replaced_the keyboard, and
the replacement is just a_millimeter_too small, so it constantly pops_out_of
its recess whenever it shifts and_the_plastic_clips disengage. Then