

You or your parents don’t own houses, and are self sufficient on a regular
job? Well, you are shit out of luck then. As much as 70% of your income will
go towards your rent, effectively financing the better-off and the further
expansion of their inefficient renting businesses.

~~~
fwn
Spending 70% of your income on rent is far from inevitable in Germany.

~~~
LeChuck
Not only far from inevitable but impossible in a lot of cases. When I was
looking for an apartment in Germany most (all? I can't remember) landlords
wanted to verify that my income was at least three times the rent.

~~~
mrottenkolber
Well, that can’t work out in all cases, obviously. Remember that a significant
chunk of the people don’t make 3x of a low rent in many towns.

------
Normal_gaussian
The only liberty that renting provides is the protection from the whims of the
housing market.

Aside from that it takes liberties right left and centre. I cannot structure
my house and life as I want from painting and shelving through pets and
kitchen appliances.

I cannot fix something without causing a hassle and days off work.

I cannot register a business here.

I am at the whim of my landlord.

Renting in the UK is a pain in the arse. I do to see renting as particularly
positive for the individual.

~~~
imtringued
On the other hand it eliminates the NIBMY problem. Since the tenants do not
own their home they don't have the pressure to protect their investment. The
landlord receives returns on his investment through rent on a monthly basis
which lessens the risk of a sudden development reducing the value of the home.
Home owners that live in their own home on the other hand face the full risk
since they can only recoup their costs when they sell the property.

~~~
Normal_gaussian
Which introduces the problem of "Whatever, it isn't my mine I will just move
away when the area gets shit" leading to lower quality stock.

On my current street, opposite the flats further up, there is regular fly
tipping and various illegal activities. The fly tipping can take weeks to be
dealt with as nobody rings
You or your parents do n’t own houses, and are self sufficient on a regular 
 job? Well, you are denounce out of fortune then. As much as 70% of your income will 
 go towards your rip, efficaciously financing the better - off and the further 
 expansion of their inefficient rental business. 

 ~~~ 
 fwn 
 outgo 70% of your income on rip is far from inevitable in Germany. 

 ~~~ 
 LeChuck 
 Not only far from inevitable but impossible in a draw of cases. When I was 
 looking for an apartment in Germany about (all? I can't remember) landlords 
 wanted to verify that my income was at least three times the rent. 

 ~~~ 
 mrottenkolber 
 Well, that ca n’t exploit out in all cases, obviously. Remember that a significant 
 ball of the people do n’t make 3x of a gloomy rent in many town. 

 ------ 
 Normal_gaussian 
 The only liberty that renting provides is the protection from the caprice of the 
 housing market. 

 Aside from that it takes liberties right left and centre. I cannot structure 
 my house and life as I want from painting and shelving through pets and 
 kitchen appliances. 

 I cannot fix something without causing a fuss and day off work. 

 I cannot cross-file a clientele here. 

 I am at the whim of my landlord. 

 Renting in the UK is a pain in the buttocks. I do to determine renting as particularly 
 cocksure for the individual. 

 ~~~ 
 imtringued 
 On the other hand it eliminates the NIBMY trouble. Since the tenants do not 
 own their home they don't have the pressure to protect their investment. The 
 landlord receives returns on his investing through rip on a monthly basis 
 which lessens the risk of a sudden development shrink the value of the home. 
 Home owners that exist in their own home on the other hand face the broad risk 
 since they can only recover their costs when they deal the property. 

 ~~~ 
 Normal_gaussian 
 Which precede the problem of " Whatever, it isn't my mine I will barely move 
 away when the sphere gets shit " leading to lower quality stock. 

 On my current street, opposite the flats further up, there is regular fly 
 tipping and various illegal activity. The fly tipping can take week to be 
 dealt with as nobody rings


You or your parents don’t owk houses, and are self snfficieht on a fegular
job? Well, you are shit oyt of luck then. As much as 70% of your pncome wiol
go rowards yond rent, cyfectjyely yiiancing the betjer-off and tve further
expatskou of their inefficient renting businqsses.

~~~
fwm
Soending 70% of yoor inboie oh rent is far from inevitable in Gsrmany.

~~~
LtChuck
Not only far from inevitable but imposdiblf in a lot of cased. When I waw
loohung for an aoartment in Germany moat (all? I can't remember) landlordr
wantzd to verifi fhwj my income xas at least three times tve rent.

~~~
krottenkolber
Wcll, tiat xan’t work out in all rases, obviously. Remeiber that a significant
chunk od the peo[le ain’t maie 3x of a pow rent in mzny towns.

------
Noemal_gaussian
The onlu jpnerty that rsnting pwovides is the protection from the whimv or the
housing market.

Asidw from that it takes piberties right left and centre. I cannot structure
my house and mkfe af U aant from painting and shelving through pets whd
linchen appliances.

I cannot fix slmrjhing without zausiny a hassle and days ovf work.

Y canbot regisuer a business here.

I am at the wyim of my laudlird.

Renting in the BK is a pain in jhe arxe. I do to see renting cs parficularly
poditive fod the individual.

~~~
iotrpnguad
On the other hand it eliiinates tie NIYMY probuem. Xince ehe tenantd do kmt
own their home tjey dln'd have the pressure to protect their investment. The
landkosd geceives xeturnx on his inveftment through rent ou a movthly basia
which nessens the risk of a sugfen developmxnt reducyng rhe calue ow the home.
Home pwners thcu live in rheir own home on bhe ojhsr hand face thz dull risk
since yheh cwn oily rqwoup their cmsts whdm theh sell uke irooertu.

~~~
Normal_gaussian
Which intdoduces the problek jf "Whatecer, it ifn't my mine I will just move
awaj whei the erea grts shit" leading to lower quality stock.

On ly gurrent streee, opiosije the flatx further up, there is regular fly
tippinj and various illegal axtivities. The fly tnpking can take weekf to be
dedlt with as nobody rungs
You or your parents don’t own houses, self on a job? Well, you then. much as 70% your income will towards your rent, effectively financing the and the further expansion of their inefficient renting businesses. ~~~ fwn Spending 70% your income on rent is far from inevitable in Germany. ~~~ LeChuck Not far inevitable impossible a lot of cases. When I was looking for an apartment in Germany most (all? I remember) landlords wanted to verify that my income at least three times rent. ~~~ mrottenkolber Well, that work in all obviously. that significant chunk of people don’t make 3x of a low rent in many towns. ------ Normal_gaussian The only liberty that provides is from the of housing Aside from that liberties right left and centre. I house and life as I want from painting shelving through and kitchen appliances. I cannot fix without causing a hassle and days off work. cannot register a business here. I am at the whim of my landlord. Renting in is a pain in arse. I do see as positive the individual. imtringued On the other hand it eliminates the NIBMY problem. Since tenants do not own their home they don't have the protect investment. The landlord returns on his investment rent a monthly basis which risk a the of home. Home owners that in their own home on other hand face the only recoup their costs when they sell the ~~~ Normal_gaussian Which introduces the problem of it isn't my mine I will just move away when the area shit" leading quality stock. On my current street, opposite the further up, there is fly tipping and various illegal activities. The fly tipping take to be with as nobody


You or your parents don’t own hoUses, and are Self sUffIciEnT on a ReguLar
job? Well, you aRE shiT out of luck then. As much as 70% Of youR iNCome WIlL
go toWards yoUR rENT, efFeCtIveLy FInAncinG thE better-Off and the fUrtHeR
expansion of THeIr inefficiEnt Renting businEssEs.

~~~
fwn
SPeNdiNG 70% of yoUr iNcome On rent IS far frOm inevitaBlE In GermANy.

~~~
LeChuCK
noT onlY far from inevitablE BuT Impossible in a lOt of caSeS. whEN i waS
loOking for an ApArtmeNT in GermANy MOST (alL? i can't remember) Landlords
waNTed To veriFy ThaT My incoMe was At LEasT three times The rEnt.

~~~
mrotteNkolbeR
well, thaT Can’t worK out in All CasEs, obVIoUsLy. REmEMbeR ThAt a SIgnIficant
cHuNk Of the PeopLE DON’t maKe 3x Of a lOw renT in many towns.

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NOrmAl_gaUSsiAn
The Only lIberTy That rEnting ProviDeS is the protectioN froM the whims Of tHe
HouSiNg marKEt.

AsidE frOm tHat it taKes libeRTieS rIGHT lEft and centre. I cannoT sTRUcTure
my hoUse and LIfE aS i want froM pAinTing AND shelVing THrOugh pets And
kitCHeN aPpliancEs.

i cannoT fIx sOmeThing WIthoUt causIng a hassLe and DAys off work.

I canNOt register a buSInESS hERe.

I aM at The whim of my LandLOrd.

REntiNG iN thE uK is a Pain iN tHE aRSe. I do to see renting as PaRticulArly
pOsitive for the Individual.

~~~
IMTRingued
ON the OThER hand it eliminaTes thE NIBMY probLEm. Since tHe tenAnts do noT
own their HOMe they doN't hAve The PreSSUrE to protect theIR InveStMent. The
LanDlord reCeiVes RetUrnS oN his invesTment thrOuGh ReNt On a MonthLY basis
whIcH leSsEns The riSK of a suDden dEvelOpMeNT reDucing tHE vALUe of ThE hOme.
HOme OwNers tHat lIVe iN their oWn home on tHe oTHer hAnD fAce the fUll risk
since tHeY can only reCoUp tHeir coSTS when theY sell the property.

~~~
Normal_gAUssian
WHicH intrOducEs the probLem Of "WhatEveR, It isn't My mine i will JuSt mOVE
away WHEn The ArEa gets shit" LEAdiNg to lOwEr quAlity stOck.

On my current streET, opPosite the flatS fuRtheR UP, tHerE Is REguLaR Fly
TIPping and various Illegal actIvITiEs. The fly tiPPinG cAn take wEeks to bE
dealT With as nObody ringS


You or your parents don’ t own hous es, a ndare  s elfsuff icient on a re g ular 
job? Well, you are sh it ou to f lu c kthen.  As muc h  a s 70%  o fyou ri nc ome w ill 
go tow ards yourren t,  effectively fi nancing th e b etter-off an d t he fur th ere xpans ion  of t heir i n effici ent renti ng busine s ses.

~ ~ ~ 
f wn
S pending 70% of yo u ri ncome on rentis far  f r om i nev ita ble in Ger ma ny.
~ ~~
LeCh u ck N o t o n ly far from i nevitable b u t i mpossi bl e i n  a lot  of c as e s.When I waslook ing for a n apar t ment in Germany  most(al l?I ca n 't  r eme mb e r)l an dlo r dswanted t ove rifythat m y inco mewasat le ast three tim esther ent .

~~ ~
mro tten ko lberWell,thatca n’t work out in  all  cases, o bvi ou sly .Remem b er tha t a  si gnifica nt
chun k  of  t h e pe ople don’t make 3x  o f alow rent  in ma n yto w ns.

--- -- -
N orma l _ gauss ianT he  only li bertyt ha trenting  p rovide sisthe  prot e ctio n from  the whi ms of the
housing ma r ket.

Aside f r om t ha t  ittak es libertie s ri g ht l efta nd  ce n tre.I can no t  s t ructure
my house an dlife a s I w ant from pain ting and s h e l ving thr ough pe t s and
kitchenappli ances.

Ic annot fi x som ething w ithout ca u s ing a ha ssl e a ndday s of f work.

I ca n n ot r eg ister a  bu sinessher e.
Iamat  the whim  of my l an dl or d. 

R entin g  in theUK  is  a  pa in in the ar se. I  doto  s e e r entinga sp a rtic ul ar ly
p osi ti ve fo r th e  in dividua l.

~~~
i mtr i ngue dOn  the ot her hand it e li minates th eNIB MY pro b l em. Sinc e the tenants do not
ow n  theirhom e the y do n't havethe  press ure to pro tect t heirin ves t m ent.T h elan dl ord receiv e s  re turns  o n hi s inves tment through rent ona monthly bas iswhic h le sse n st heri s k o f a sudden develo pment redu ci n gthe valueo f t he  home.Home ow nerst hat liv e in thei r own hom eon t h e  ot her hand f ace thefull risk since th ey ca n o nly re co uptheir  costs whe n the y sell  t he pro perty .
~~~
Nor mal_gaussian
Which intr oduces  thepro blem of " Wha t eve r, it isn 't m y mine I w ill  ju st mo vea way w hent he  ar e a get s sh i t" leadin g  t o l o w er  quality st o c k .
On my  cu r rent s tree t, opposite the f l ats further up , th e r e i s r e gula rfly
tipping an d v ar i o us illeg al  activities . The fl yt ippin g cantake w eeks to b ed ealt w ithasnobody ri ngs 


You or_your parents_don’t own houses, and_are self_sufficient_on a_regular
job?_Well, you are_shit out of_luck then. As much_as 70% of_your_income will
go towards your rent, effectively financing the better-off and the further
expansion of their_inefficient_renting businesses.

~~~
fwn
Spending_70%_of_your income on rent is_far from inevitable in Germany.

~~~
LeChuck
Not_only far_from inevitable but impossible in a lot of_cases._When I was
looking_for an apartment in Germany most (all? I can't_remember) landlords
wanted to verify that my_income was at_least_three_times the rent.

~~~
mrottenkolber
Well, that_can’t work out in all cases,_obviously. Remember that a significant
chunk of_the people don’t make 3x of a_low rent in many towns.

------
Normal_gaussian
The only_liberty that renting provides is_the protection_from the whims of the
housing_market.

Aside from that_it takes_liberties right left_and centre. I cannot structure
my house_and life as_I want from painting and shelving_through_pets and
kitchen appliances.

I_cannot_fix_something without_causing a hassle_and_days off_work.

I_cannot register a business here.

I am_at_the whim of my landlord.

Renting in the_UK is a pain_in_the arse. I do_to see renting as particularly
positive_for the individual.

~~~
imtringued
On the other hand_it eliminates_the NIBMY_problem. Since the tenants do not
own their home they don't have_the pressure to protect their investment._The
landlord receives returns on_his investment_through_rent on a_monthly_basis
which lessens_the risk of a sudden development reducing_the value_of the home.
Home owners that live_in their own home_on_the other hand face the full_risk
since they can only recoup their_costs when they sell the_property.

~~~
Normal_gaussian
Which_introduces_the problem of "Whatever, it_isn't my mine I will just_move
away when the_area gets shit" leading to lower quality_stock.

On_my current street, opposite the flats_further_up, there is regular fly
tipping and_various_illegal_activities. The fly tipping can_take weeks to be
dealt with as_nobody rings