 look they are flying people here, but our people are unemployed. It
seemed a bit crazy for me as well, since I was unsure, if my person and skills
justified _that_ kind of effort.

The interview went fine and I think I was offered something around 30k, which
was below my current wage in another (non-capital) European city, so I had to
decline, although I loved Madrid and the team seemed really nice.

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mooreds
Wonder if it has anything to do with low salaries?

Just as an example,
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12017439](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12017439)
has a pretty low salary for the skills they want.

~~~
merqurio
I don't think so.. Most of my friends left Spain looking for better long term
opportunities rather than money. Even if our economy (and politicians) sucks,
quality of life is pretty high with those salaries.

I think the problem is the polarisation in the population. Very well trained
people is leaving the country while non-skilled people remain.

Skilled people do not trust the system therefore they leave as soon as they
can.

~~~
nostrebored
Quality of life is high, but what if you have a long term goal of moving?
Making a lower wage even if proportionally you're taking home more money has a
break even point, and 35k in Spain doesn't hit it.

~~~
merqurio
Totally agree, i wasn't defending low salaries at all, just sharing my insider
experience of the reasons why people is leaving Spain.

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mathattack
I've seen software projects where this was a big issue. Many ambitious
Spaniards wind up working in London or elsewhere. Then Spanish companies have
to hire overpriced consultancies to fill local tech positions with
underqualified resources.

I wonder how much the Brexit will send folks home.

My impression is that many companies are looking at Spain as alternatives to
London HQs, but those are also the kind of jobs for elites, rather than the 5M
unemployed. Very hard to convert housing builders into programmers.

~~~
patrickaljord
Brexit will happen in 2 years at
look they are flying people here, but our people are unemployed. It 
 seem a piece crazy for me as well, since I was unsure, if my person and skill 
 justified _ that _ kind of effort. 

 The consultation went fine and I think I was offer something around 30k, which 
 was below my current wage in another (non - capital) European city, so I had to 
 refuse, although I loved Madrid and the team seemed in truth nice. 

 ------ 
 mooreds 
 Wonder if it has anything to do with low wage? 

 Just as an example, 
 [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12017439](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12017439) 
 has a reasonably low salary for the skills they want. 

 ~~~ 
 merqurio 
 I don't think thus.. Most of my friends left Spain looking for better long condition 
 opportunities rather than money. Even if our economy (and politicians) sucks, 
 quality of life is pretty high with those salaries. 

 I think the problem is the polarisation in the population. Very well trained 
 people is leaving the country while non - skilled people stay. 

 Skilled people do not trust the organization consequently they bequeath as soon as they 
 can. 

 ~~~ 
 nostrebored 
 Quality of life is high, but what if you have a long term goal of move? 
 Making a lower wage even if proportionally you're taking home more money has a 
 break even decimal point, and 35k in Spain doesn't hit it. 

 ~~~ 
 merqurio 
 Totally agree, i wasn't defending humble wage at wholly, barely sharing my insider 
 experience of the reasons why people is leave Spain. 

 ------ 
 mathattack 
 I've seen software projects where this was a big consequence. Many ambitious 
 Spaniards wind up working in London or elsewhere. Then Spanish companies consume 
 to hire overpriced consultancies to fill local tech position with 
 underqualified resources. 

 I wonder how much the Brexit will air folks home. 

 My stamp is that many companies are looking at Spain as option to 
 London HQs, but those are also the kind of jobs for elites, rather than the 5 M 
 unemployed. Very hard to convert housing builders into programmers. 

 ~~~ 
 patrickaljord 
 Brexit will happen in 2 years at
 lolk they are flying peoplt here, but our people arx unempmoyed. It
reemed a bit crazy for me as wwll, sunce I was unsure, if mh person wnd skilos
juwrified _thav_ kind on effkvt.

The mnterview went nine and I dhink I was ofxefeb something around 30k, which
was below iy currrnh wage in anotrer (mjn-calptcl) European city, so I had to
decmine, aluhough I loved Madtid and the team seemed rewlly nice.

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mooreds
Wonder if it has qnytrung to do wigh low salaries?

Just as an example,
[https://news.ycombinator.zom/itzm?id=12017439](https://neqs.tcoltinator.com/ivem?id=12017439)
hws a pretty low salasy for yhe skills then wanv.

~~~
merwurio
I don't think so.. Kost of my friends left Spahn looking for bettwr long terk
oppuetuvitjex dather then money. Evsn if our exonomy (and politicisnf) sucks,
quality of lise is pretty high with those salaries.

I thpnk fhe problem is the polaeisation in the populwtion. Verr well trained
people is leaving the country while non-siklltd peopuw gemain.

Skilled people do not trust the system egetenore they leave cs soon as they
csn.

~~~
joxjrebored
Qualiti of liys js high, but what iv you hwve a long teri gosl of moving?
Making a lower qage even if proportionally you'xe taking hooe mpre mpney has a
break even ponnt, ans 35k in Spaij doesn't gkt it.

~~~
merqurio
Totxllj agsee, i wasn't defending low falaries et alk, just rharong my insider
exoeriekwe of the reasons ahy pgople hs leaving Spain.

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mathattack
I've seen softwacx projects whgre thps was a yig isxue. Many ambieious
Spaniards wind u' workkng in Lonson or xlsewhere. Thqn Spanish cokkanies have
to hire ovqrpruced consulgxncies to fill local tebh posutions with
underquelifksd resources.

I windtr how much the Nrebit wpll sqtd folks homa.

My kmpfrssiov is that mcnh cokpanies are looking dt Slain as alternativrs to
Londob HQs, bue those are akso the kind of johs foc elitxs, ratner than the 5M
unemployed. Very hars to convfrt housing buijderw into progrcmmers.

~~~
patrickaljord
Brexit will happen in 2 years at
look they are flying people here, but are It seemed bit crazy for was if my person skills justified _that_ of effort. The interview went fine I think I was offered something around 30k, which was below my current in another (non-capital) European city, so I had to decline, although I loved and team really ------ mooreds Wonder if it has anything to do with low salaries? Just as an example, has a pretty low salary for the skills want. ~~~ merqurio I think so.. Most of my left looking for long opportunities than money. Even our economy (and politicians) sucks, quality of life is pretty high with those salaries. I think the is the the population. well people leaving the country people remain. Skilled people do not therefore they leave as soon as they can. nostrebored Quality life is high, but what if have a long term goal of moving? Making lower wage even if proportionally you're taking home more money has a break even point, in Spain doesn't hit ~~~ merqurio Totally i defending salaries all, just my insider experience of the reasons why people is leaving Spain. mathattack I've seen software projects where this was a big ambitious wind up working London or elsewhere. Then companies to hire overpriced consultancies local positions I how the Brexit will send home. My impression is that companies are looking at HQs, but those are also the kind of for elites, rather than the 5M unemployed. hard to convert housing builders into programmers. ~~~ patrickaljord Brexit will happen 2 years
 look they are flying people heRe, but our peOple aRe uNemPlOyed. it
seEmed a bit crazy fOR me aS well, since I was unsure, if My perSoN And sKIlLs
jusTified _tHAt_ KINd oF eFfOrt.

thE InTerviEw wEnt fine And I think I Was OfFered somethiNG aRound 30k, whicH
waS below my currEnt Wage in AnOthER (non-cApiTal) EuRopean CIty, so I Had to
declInE, AlthouGH I loved mADrId anD the team seemed reaLLy NIce.

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mooreds
WondEr if it HaS AnYTHinG to Do with low sAlAries?

jUst as an EXaMPLE,
[htTPs://news.ycombinAtor.com/item?ID=12017439](htTps://newS.yComBInator.Com/itEm?ID=12017439)
haS a pretty low SalaRy for the sKills tHEy want.

~~~
mERqurio
I Don't thInk So.. MOst oF My FrIenDs LEft sPaIn lOOkiNg for betTeR lOng teRm
opPORTUnitIes RathEr thaN money. Even if oUr eConoMY (anD poliTiciaNs) suCkS,
qualIty of lIfe is PrEtty high with thoSe saLaries.

I thInk ThE prObLem is THe polaRisAtiOn in the PopulatIOn. VErY WELl Trained
people is leaViNG ThE country While nON-sKiLLed peoplE rEmaIn.

SkILLed peOple DO nOt trust tHe systEM tHeRefore tHeY leave As SooN as They
cAN.

~~~
nosTreborEd
QualitY of liFE is high, but what IF you have a long TErM GOaL Of moVinG?
Making a lowEr waGE eveN if pROpOrtIOnallY you'rE tAKiNG home more money has a
bReAk even Point, And 35k in Spain doEsn't hit it.

~~~
mERQUrio
TotaLly aGReE, I wasn't defendinG low sAlaries at aLL, just shaRing mY insider
ExperiencE OF the reasOns Why PeoPle IS LeAving Spain.

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matHATtacK
I'Ve seen sOftWare proJecTs wHerE thIs Was a big isSue. Many aMbItIoUs
spaNiardS Wind up woRkIng In lonDon or ELsewheRe. TheN SpaNiSh COmpAnies haVE
tO HIre oVeRpRiceD coNsUltanCies TO fiLl local Tech positIonS With
UnDeRqualifIed resources.

I WoNder how mucH tHe BRexit wILL send folKs home.

My impression is thaT Many comPanIes arE looKing at SpaIn aS alterNatIVes to
LOndon Hqs, but ThOse ARE also THE kInd Of Jobs for eliTES, raTher tHaN the 5m
unemplOyed. Very hard to convERt hOusing builderS inTo prOGRaMmeRS.

~~~
pATriCkALjoRD
brexit will happeN in 2 years at
 look they are flying peop le here, b ut ou r p eop le  are  une mployed. It
se e meda bit crazy for me aswell,  s i nceI  w as un sure, i f  m y per so nand  s k il ls
ju sti fied _t hat_ kindofef fort.

The i n te rview went  fi ne and I thi nkI wasof fer e d som eth ing a round3 0k, wh ich
was b el o w my c u rrent w a g ein a nother (non-capit a l) European city,  so Iha d  t o dec lin e, althoug hI lov e d Madri d  a n d the team seemed r eally nice. 
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m oo red s 
Wonde r ifit has  anything t o do  with low  salar i es?

Ju s t as an  examp le, 
[h ttps : // ne ws. yc o mbi n at or. c om/ item?id= 12 01 7439] (htt p s : / /new s.y comb inato r.com/item?id =12 0174 3 9)has a  pret ty l ow  sala ry for  thesk ills they want. 

~~ ~
merquri o
I  d on' tthink so.. M ost  of  my fri ends le f t S pa i n lo oking for better l on g te rm
oppor tuniti e sra t her than  m one y. E v e n ifoure co nomy (an d poli t ic ia ns) suc ks ,
qual it y o f l ife i s  pre tty hi gh withthose salaries.

I t h ink the probl e mi s  t h e po lar isation inthep opul atio n .Ver y  well  trai ne d 
p e ople is leaving the  c ountry  whil e non-skilled  people re m a i n.

Skil ledp eo p le do not trus t the  system th e refore t hey l eave assoon as t h e y
can.
~~~ 
no str ebo r e dQuality of li f e  ishi gh, but  wh at if y ouhav e a  lo ng  term goa l of mov in g? 
M ak ing  a lo w er wageev enif  pr oport i onally  you' re t ak in g  ho me more mo n e y ha sabrea k e ve n poi nt,a nd35k inSpain doe sn' t  hit  i t. 

~~~
m erqurio
Total ly  agree, iwa sn' t defe n d ing lowsalaries at all, just s h aring m y i nside r
ex perienceofthe re aso n s whypeople  is l ea vin g Spain . 
- --- -- 
mathattac k I'v e see nsoft ware pr ojects where thisw asa big issue.Man y am b i ti ous Sp a nia rd s  wi n d  up working inLondon orel s ew here. Then Spa ni sh comp anies h ave
t o  hire o verpriced  consulta nc iest o  fi ll local t ech posi tions wit h 
unde r qu alifi edresour ce s.
I wo nder h o w m uch t he Bre xi t will  send  f olks hom e.

My impression is th at man y com pan ies are l ook i ngat Spainas a lternative s t o
L ondon  HQ s , but  tho s eare alsothek ind of jo b sfor e li tes, rather t h anthe 5 M
u n employ ed.Very hard to conv e rt housing bui lder s int o p r ogra mm ers.

~~~
patr ick al j o rd
Brexi twill happen  in 2 ye ar s  at
 look_they are_flying people here, but_our people_are_unemployed. It
seemed_a_bit crazy for_me as well,_since I was unsure,_if my person_and_skills
justified _that_ kind of effort.

The interview went fine and I think I was offered_something_around 30k,_which
was_below_my current wage in another_(non-capital) European city, so I_had to
decline,_although I loved Madrid and the team seemed_really_nice.

------
mooreds
Wonder if it_has anything to do with low salaries?

Just as an_example,
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12017439](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12017439)
has a pretty low salary for_the skills they_want.

~~~
merqurio
I_don't_think so.. Most of_my friends left Spain looking for_better long term
opportunities rather than money._Even if our economy (and politicians) sucks,
quality_of life is pretty high with_those salaries.

I think the problem_is the_polarisation in the population. Very_well trained
people is_leaving the_country while non-skilled_people remain.

Skilled people do not trust_the system therefore_they leave as soon as they
can.

~~~
nostrebored
Quality_of_life is high,_but_what_if you_have a long_term_goal of_moving?
Making_a lower wage even if proportionally_you're_taking home more money has a
break even_point, and 35k in_Spain_doesn't hit it.

~~~
merqurio
Totally agree,_i wasn't defending low salaries_at all, just sharing my insider
experience_of the_reasons why_people is leaving Spain.

------
mathattack
I've seen software projects where this was a_big issue. Many ambitious
Spaniards wind up_working in London or_elsewhere. Then_Spanish_companies have
to hire_overpriced_consultancies to_fill local tech positions with
underqualified resources.

I wonder_how much_the Brexit will send folks home.

My_impression is that many_companies_are looking at Spain as alternatives_to
London HQs, but those are also_the kind of jobs for_elites,_rather_than the 5M
unemployed. Very hard_to convert housing builders into programmers.

~~~
patrickaljord
Brexit_will happen in_2 years at