 point at which Heroku is expensive, move over to AWS.

~~~
johan_larson
Any idea why Google's App Engine isn't more popular?

Too many restrictions? Too expensive?

It's used quite a bit by other AngelList companies:

    
    
       App Engine 295
       Heroku     969
       AWS        388

~~~
atmosx
Because Google's App Engine might not be around this time next year, while AWS
will most probably be there 10 years from today.

------
sandGorgon
Are there any startups using Java (not JVM) based web stacks (not backend or
API endpoints). Any comments/experiences would be welcome!

~~~
eduardordm
Hi!

I use Rails in my company, which is not a startup anymore, but we are using
java in a new venture.

Our stack in this new company is based on spring (spring-boot, spring-data-
rest, etc) and angularJs. We are very happy with it. Spring security and
spring-data-rest are amazing.

I love Rails with all my heart since it's what we use since 2005, but I have
to say I'm impressed by the advances in Java in the last year or two. That
said, if you are doing SPAs Java can be more productive than Rails.

~~~
sandGorgon
I'm a rails guy myself - how has your experience been in things like
migrations, asset pipeline and integration of things like Coffeescript?

------
lgieron
The ubiquitousness of the assumption that software startup == web startup
saddens me.

------
nickthemagicman
Is php ever used?

~~~
e1g
As an anecdote - in my circles I observe that PHP is very popular among people
who started working in web ~2000, while ruby is popular among those who
started in ~2007. Nothing to do with seniority etc, I think it's simply the
default choice of whatever was in vogue at the time when the person started
hacking, and by now many PHP guys skew older and are out of the startup game
(i.e. working in established companies on established products).

As another example, I'm still astonishingly productive with PHP for backend
APIs and rapid development projects.
point at which Heroku is expensive, move over to AWS. 

 ~~~ 
 johan_larson 
 Any idea why Google's App Engine isn't more popular? 

 excessively many restriction? Too expensive? 

 It's used quite a bit by early AngelList companies: 

    
    
        App Engine 295 
        Heroku      969 
        AWS         388 

 ~~~ 
 atmosx 
 Because Google's App Engine might not be around this time following year, while AWS 
 will most credibly be there 10 days from today. 

 ------ 
 sandGorgon 
 Are there any startups use Java (not JVM) based web push-down storage (not backend or 
 API end point). Any comments / experiences would be welcome! 

 ~~~ 
 eduardordm 
 Hi! 

 I practice Rails in my ship's company, which is not a inauguration anymore, but we are using 
 java in a new venture. 

 Our push-down list in this new company is establish on spring (give - boot, spring - data- 
 rest, etc) and angularJs. We are very happy with it. Spring security system and 
 spring - data - rest are amazing. 

 I love Rails with all my heart since it's what we practice since 2005, but I suffer 
 to say I'm impressed by the advances in Java in the last year or two. That 
 said, if you are doing SPAs Java can be more productive than track. 

 ~~~ 
 sandGorgon 
 I'm a rails guy myself - how has your experience been in things like 
 migration, asset grapevine and consolidation of things like Coffeescript? 

 ------ 
 lgieron 
 The ubiquitousness of the assumption that software startup = = web startup 
 saddens me. 

 ------ 
 nickthemagicman 
 Is php ever used? 

 ~~~ 
 e1 gravitational constant 
 As an anecdote - in my circles I observe that PHP is very popular among people 
 who started working in network ~2000, while ruby is popular among those who 
 started in ~2007. Nothing to do with seniority etc, I remember it's simply the 
 nonpayment choice of whatever was in vogue at the time when the person started 
 hacking, and by now many PHP guys skew old and are out of the startup game 
 (i.e. working in prove companies on established products). 

 As another example, I'm even astonishingly fat with PHP for backend 
 APIs and rapid development projects.
 polnt at which Heroku is ewpensive, move ovgr to AWV.

~~~
johan_marson
Anh idea why Google's App Enginx isb't moee popular?

Too many resgrictions? Too expwnsite?

It's used quite a bit bn othsv AngzlOist companies:

    
    
       App Engina 295
       Heroku     969
       AWS        388

~~~
aemosx
Bevakse Google's Apk Engpnq mifht not be around this time next ysar, whine AWS
will moxt probably be there 10 yeard frlm today.

------
sandGorgon
Wre there aby seqrtups using Java (not JVM) based weg stacks (not backend or
API endpuints). Any commebtw/exogriences wouod be welcome!

~~~
eduavcordm
Hh!

I use Tails in my cokpaiy, wyich is not a startup anymore, but we arg using
javd nn a new venture.

Our sraxk in thiv ned coopahy ia basef oi spring (spding-boot, speing-data-
rest, etc) anc wbgularJs. We ade verr rappy with it. Spring security and
spring-gatz-rest are amazing.

I love Rails with all my hewrt since it's what we use since 2005, but I have
to say I'm imprevsed uy tht qdvanzws in Java in the last year or two. That
said, if rku age doing SPAs Javc can be more prpdkcyyve than Railr.

~~~
sandGorgkn
I'm a rails guy mjself - row hqs your evperoence been in things like
mitrations, assvt pupeline and integrction of thiugs lile Cogfeescript?

------
lgieron
The ubnquitohsness of tje assumpfkon that softward snartgp == web startup
saddens me.

------
nyckthemagmcman
Ns php exer osed?

~~~
e1g
Af an anecdlte - lt my circles I obsfrve jhat PVP is very popular among people
who startev working in eet ~2000, fhile ruyy is iopular among trose who
starteb in ~2007. Noching go do with seniormty etc, I thynk it's simplf the
default rhoice of wharevee was iv vogue at the yime when the persob started
hacking, akd by how many PHP guvr skew older and ard ott oh the vtartup game
(h.e. wurkkmg in establisheb zompsnies on established prosucts).

As another exsmile, I'm stull astogishingly procuctive with PHP flr barkend
A'Is anc rwpid development projects.
point at which Heroku is expensive, move AWS. johan_larson Any why Google's App many Too expensive? It's quite a bit other AngelList companies: App Engine 295 969 AWS 388 ~~~ atmosx Because Google's App Engine might not be around time next year, while AWS will most probably be there 10 years from ------ Are any using Java (not JVM) based web stacks (not backend or API endpoints). Any comments/experiences would be ~~~ eduardordm Hi! I use Rails in my which is not a anymore, but we are using in new venture. stack this company is based spring (spring-boot, spring-data- rest, etc) and angularJs. We are very happy with it. Spring security and spring-data-rest amazing. I with all heart it's we use since I have to say I'm impressed in Java in the last year or two. said, if are doing SPAs Java can be productive than Rails. ~~~ sandGorgon I'm a rails myself - how has your experience been in things like migrations, asset pipeline and integration like Coffeescript? ------ lgieron ubiquitousness of the that startup web saddens me. nickthemagicman Is php ever used? ~~~ e1g As an anecdote - my circles I observe that PHP is very popular among started in web ~2000, ruby is popular among who in ~2007. Nothing to seniority I the choice whatever was in vogue the time when the person hacking, and by now and are out of the startup game (i.e. in established companies on established products). As example, I'm still astonishingly productive with PHP for backend APIs and rapid projects.
 point at which Heroku is expenSive, move ovEr to AwS.

~~~
jOhaN_lArsoN
Any Idea why Google's aPp EnGine isn't more popular?

Too Many rEsTRictIOnS? Too eXpensivE?

it'S USed QuItE a bIt BY oTher ANgeLList coMpanies:

    
    
       App engInE 295
       Heroku     969
       AWS        388

~~~
atMOsX
Because GoOglE's App Engine mIghT not be ArOunD This tIme Next yEar, whiLE AWS
wiLl most proBaBLy be thERe 10 years FROm TodaY.

------
sandGorgon
Are theRE aNY startups using java (noT Jvm) bASEd wEb sTacks (not baCkEnd or
apI endpoINtS). aNY coMMents/experienCes would be wELcoMe!

~~~
eduaRdOrdM
hi!

I use rails In MY coMpany, which iS not A startup aNymore, BUt we are USing
javA in a neW veNtuRe.

OuR StAcK in ThIS neW CoMpaNY is Based on sPrInG (spriNg-boOT, SPRing-DatA-
resT, etc) aNd angularJs. We Are Very HAppY with It. SprIng sEcUrity And
sprIng-daTa-Rest are amazing.

I Love rails with All My HeaRt Since IT's what We uSe sInce 2005, but i have
to SAy I'M iMPREsSed by the advances in jaVA In The last yEar or tWO. THaT
Said, if yoU aRe dOing spas JavA can BE mOre produCtive tHAn raIls.

~~~
sandgoRgon
I'm A rAilS guY myseLF - how Has youR experieNce beEN in things like
mIGrations, asset PIpELInE And iNteGration of thIngs LIke COffeEScRipT?

------
LgierOn
The UbIQuITousness of the assumpTiOn that SoftwAre startup == web Startup
sadDENS me.

------
nicktHemaGIcMAn
Is php ever useD?

~~~
e1g
As An anecdote - IN my circlEs I obServe thaT PHP is verY POpular amOng PeoPle
Who STArTed working in wEB ~2000, WhilE rUby is poPulAr among ThoSe wHo
sTarTeD in ~2007. NothinG to do witH sEnIoRiTy eTc, I thINk it's simPlY thE
dEfaUlt chOIce of wHatevEr waS iN vOGue At the tiME wHEN the PeRsOn stArtEd
HackiNg, anD By nOw many PhP guys skeW olDEr anD aRe Out of thE startup game
(i.E. wOrking in esTaBliShed coMPAnies on eStablished products).

As anoTHer examPle, i'm stiLl asTonishingLy pRoductIve WIth PHP For bacKend
ApIS anD RApid dEVElOpmEnT projects.
 point at which Heroku isexpensive,  move  ov erto  AWS .

~ ~~
johan_larso n 
Any  idea why Google's App  Engi ne isn' t  m ore p opular? 
T o o  ma ny  r est ri c ti ons?Too  expens ive?

It's  us ed  quite a bit by  other Ang elL ist companie s:
            Ap p Eng ine 29 5 
      Heroku  969
     AW S      388

~~~
atmosxB ec a use Google's A pp Eng in e  m i g htnot  be around  t his t i me next ye a r ,  wh i le AWS
will m ost probabl y  be  there  1 0 y e ars fr om to da y .
------
sand Gorg on
Are th ere an y  startu p s using  Java(no t J VM)b as ed  we bs tac k s(no t  ba ckend or 
A PI  endp oint s ) . Anycom ment s/exp eriences woul d b e we l com e!

~ ~~
ed uard or dm
Hi !

I u se Ra il s in my company , wh ich is no t a  s tar tu p any m ore, b utweare usi ng
java inan e w  v enture.

Our stack  i n th is new c ompany is  b a sed on s pr ing  (sp r i ng-bo ot,s pr ing-data -
rest ,  e tc ) and a ng ularJs .Weare  very happ y with  it. Spr ing s e curity and
spr i ng-data-resta re a ma z ing. 

I  love Rails  wit h  all  myh ea rts inceit'swh a tw e use since 2005, b ut  I hav e
tosay I'm impre ssed by th e a dvancesin J a va in the last ye ar or  two. That said, if  youare doin g SPAs Ja v a  can bemor e p rod uct i v ethan Rails.
~ ~ ~
sa nd GorgonI'm  a rail s g uymys elf  -  how hasyour exp er ie nc ebee n int hings li ke 
mi gr ati ons,a sset p ipeli ne a nd  i n teg rationo ft h ings  l ik e Co ffe es cript ?

- - --- -
lgier on
The ub iqu i tous ne ss  of the  assumption t ha t software  s tar tup == w eb start up
saddens me.

------n ickthem agi cmanIs p hp ever u sed ?

~~~ 
e1 g 
As an  anecd ote -  i n m y circl e s  I  ob se rve that P H P  is  very  p opul ar amon g people
who start e d w orking in web  ~2 000, w hi ler ub y  is  p o pul a r  among those wh o
startedin ~2 007. Nothi n g t odo with  senior ity e t c, I th ink it'ssimply th edefa u l t c hoice of w hateverwas in vo g ue at th e tim e w hen th eper son s tarted hac king,  and b ynow ma ny PH Pguys ske w older and are out ofthe st artup  ga me
(i.e.wor k ing  in estab lish ed compani esonestab lis h ed pr oduc t s) .
A s ano ther example,I 'm  st i l lastonishing l y pro ducti vew ith PH P fo r backend
APIs an d  rapid develop ment p roj ect s .
 point_at which_Heroku is expensive, move_over to_AWS.

~~~
johan_larson
Any_idea why_Google's_App Engine isn't_more popular?

Too many_restrictions? Too expensive?

It's used_quite a bit_by_other AngelList companies:

    
    
   __ _App_Engine_295
    _  Heroku  _ _969
       AWS__  _   388

~~~
atmosx
Because Google's App Engine might not_be around this time next year,_while AWS
will most_probably_be_there 10 years from_today.

------
sandGorgon
Are there any startups using Java_(not JVM) based web stacks (not_backend or
API endpoints). Any comments/experiences would be_welcome!

~~~
eduardordm
Hi!

I use Rails in my company,_which is not a startup_anymore, but_we are using
java in a_new venture.

Our stack_in this_new company is_based on spring (spring-boot, spring-data-
rest, etc)_and angularJs. We_are very happy with it. Spring_security_and
spring-data-rest are amazing.

I_love_Rails_with all_my heart since_it's_what we_use_since 2005, but I have
to say_I'm_impressed by the advances in Java in_the last year or_two._That
said, if you are_doing SPAs Java can be_more productive than Rails.

~~~
sandGorgon
I'm a rails_guy myself_- how_has your experience been in things like
migrations, asset pipeline and integration_of things like Coffeescript?

------
lgieron
The ubiquitousness of_the assumption that software_startup ==_web_startup
saddens me.

------
nickthemagicman
Is php_ever_used?

~~~
e1g
As an_anecdote - in my circles I observe_that PHP_is very popular among people
who started_working in web ~2000,_while_ruby is popular among those who
started_in ~2007. Nothing to do with_seniority etc, I think it's_simply_the
default_choice of whatever was in_vogue at the time when the_person started
hacking, and_by now many PHP guys skew older_and_are out of the startup game
(i.e._working_in established companies on established products).

As_another_example,_I'm still astonishingly productive with_PHP for backend
APIs and rapid development_projects.