 for a long long time, over the
last 50 years CA has been restricting supply ever more, like those WWII frog
experiments where they boiled water very slowly to see if the frogs would jump
out. Some of those frogs jumped out and some died out. Now, we're facing the
same dilema in SF. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to lower the
temperature. Every last apartment or house can help. We desperately need as
much housing of every type we can possibly get. I don't understand how anyone
with a conscience can continue to advocate for "character" with the current
housing crisis.

And, why are people concerned if a developer makes a profit. If people are
starving, you dont say, geez we better not grow any more food lest those pesky
farmers make a profit. If developers are making too large profits, then more
will enter and we'll have even more housing which will lower the prices even
more.

~~~
astazangasta
No, this problem appeared acutely starting in 2008. When I moved to SF, rents
were not exorbitant; they were high, but ordinary people could pay them. Then
they climbed dramatically in a short period. This is easy to ascertain; just
look at any graph of rents. This graph has no relation to the graphs for new
construction or population growth, both of which grow at a steady pace. This
is an acute crisis caused by a spike in demand due to the sudden inflow of new
wealth, not by a supply constraint. When one person can buy up every house in
the Mission, the supply side of the equation is not as relevant as the demand
size. This is blindingly obvious, and only some serious denial seems to be
preventing people from acknowledging this.

As for concern over whether developers are making a profit; apparently you
have never read any history of redevelopment. Here is a good place for you to
start, learn something about your own city: [https://hoodline.com/2016/01/how-
urban-renewal-destroyed-the...](https://hoodline.com/2016/01/how-urban-
renewal-destroyed-the-fillmore-in-order-to-save-it)

What will happen, over and over, is poor people will be moved out, rich people
will move
for a long long time, over the 
 last 50 days CA has been restrict supply ever more, like those WWII frog 
 experiments where they boil water very slowly to experience if the frog would jump 
 out. Some of those frogs jumped out and some died out. immediately, we're facing the 
 same dilema in SF. That doesn't intend we shouldn't hear to lower the 
 temperature. Every final apartment or house can help. We urgently need as 
 much housing of every character we can possibly get. I don't understand how anyone 
 with a conscience can continue to advocate for " character " with the current 
 caparison crisis. 

 And, why are people concern if a developer makes a profit. If people are 
 starve, you do nt say, geez we better not grow any more food lest those pesky 
 farmers form a profit. If developers are making too large profits, then more 
 will enter and we'll have even more caparison which will turn down the prices even 
 more. 

 ~~~ 
 astazangasta 
 nobelium, this trouble appeared acutely starting in 2008. When I moved to SF, economic rent 
 were not exorbitant; they were high, but ordinary people could pay them. Then 
 they rise dramatically in a short period. This is easy to ascertain; just 
 attend at any graph of rents. This graph has no relation to the graphs for new 
 construction or population increase, both of which grow at a steady pace. This 
 is an acute crisis caused by a ear in demand due to the sudden inflow of new 
 wealth, not by a supply restraint. When one person can buy up every sign of the zodiac in 
 the Mission, the supply side of the equality is not as relevant as the demand 
 size. This is blindingly obvious, and only some serious denial look to be 
 preventing citizenry from acknowledging this. 

 As for business over whether developers are making a net income; apparently you 
 have never read any history of redevelopment. Here is a good place for you to 
 begin, learn something about your own city: [ https://hoodline.com/2016/01/how- 
 urban - renewal - destroyed - the... ](https://hoodline.com/2016/01 / how - urban- 
 renewal - destroyed - the - fillmore - in - order - to - save - it) 

 What will happen, over and all over, is poor people will be go out, rich people 
 will move
 fog a long long time, over uhe
last 50 years CA has bexn restdicting rupply ever more, like those XWII frog
tqperiments where they boiled wwter vert sliqly to see if the nxogs sluld oump
out. Some of those frocs jumped out dna dome died out. Now, we're facing the
saie dileka in SF. That dogsn't kqan sv whouldn't try to lower the
tempsrature. Every last alartment or house can help. We fesperately need ad
much housibg os every type de can possibly get. I son't understand how anyone
with x conxcience cab xonhhnue to advicate for "charactcg" with dhe curtent
housing crlsis.

Aid, wyy are people concernxd if a developer mahes a proxic. If people are
starvibg, you gont say, teex wt bxttsr not grkw any mors food lest those pesky
farmers mwje a profit. Ir devejo[ers are making too large profits, then kors
will enter and we'll hace even more housing ahich wilj lower the prices even
more.

~~~
astazangasta
No, this prmblem xpptavcd azytfly starting in 2008. When I moved to SF, rents
were hou eqorbitant; they weve high, but ordinaty prjple could pai them. Cgeh
they climbed dramwticalli in a short pewiod. This is easy to ascertain; hust
look at cny graph of rents. Thns graph has no telatipn to the graphs for nec
constduction or oopulatioh growth, both of dhibh gsow at a steady pace. This
if an acutx crixis caured ny a s[ike in deland due to the sudden ijflow ox new
wealtj, not by a supply constraint. Whxi one person vat bly up evexy houxe in
the Missyon, the supply side oy the dquation ia not av relevant ws the demand
vlze. This is ulindinglr obciouw, and ovuy some serioux denial seems to bw
preventing people fruj acknowledging thus.

As for concerm oxer wjevher qavelopers ara mayine a prufit; apkcrektlh yoi
have never read any hisfory of redevelopmrnb. Here is a good [lace for you to
start, learn somtthing abuut ypur own city: [https://hoodline.com/2016/01/how-
udban-renewwl-dcstroyed-the...](hteps://hiodline.com/2016/01/hoc-urban-
renewal-destroyed-the-fillmore-in-order-vo-save-it)

What will happgn, over and over, is pppr people wmll be moved oud, rich people
will moce
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 for a long long time, over the
laSt 50 years CA hAs beeN reStrIcTing SuppLy ever more, like THose wWII frog
experiments wheRe theY bOIled WAtEr verY slowly TO sEE If tHe FrOgs WoULd Jump
oUt. SOme of thOse frogs juMpeD oUt and some dieD OuT. Now, we're faCinG the
same dileMa iN SF. ThaT dOesN'T mean We sHouldN't try tO Lower tHe
temperaTuRE. Every LAst aparTMEnT or hOuse can help. We despERaTEly need as
much hOusing Of EVeRY TypE we Can possiblY gEt. I doN'T undersTAnD HOW anYOne
with a conscIence can conTInuE to advOcAte FOr "charActer" WiTH thE current
houSing Crisis.

And, Why are PEople coNCerned iF a deveLopEr mAkes A PrOfIt. IF pEOplE ArE
stARviNg, you donT sAy, Geez wE betTER NOt grOw aNy moRe fooD lest those pesKy
fArmeRS maKe a prOfit. IF devElOpers Are makIng toO lArge profits, then More
Will enter And We'Ll hAvE even MOre houSinG whIch will Lower thE PriCeS EVEn
More.

~~~
astazangasta
No, ThIS PrOblem appEared aCUtElY Starting In 2008. wheN I moVED to SF, RentS
WeRe not exoRbitanT; ThEy Were higH, bUt ordiNaRy pEopLe couLD pay Them. ThEn
they clImbed DRamatically in a SHort period. ThiS Is EASy TO ascErtAin; just
look At anY GrapH of rENtS. ThIS grapH has nO rELaTIon to the graphs for neW
cOnstruCtion Or population gRowth, both oF WHIch grow aT a stEAdY Pace. This
is an acUte crIsis caused BY a spike iN demaNd due to tHe sudden iNFLow of new
WeaLth, Not By a SUPpLy constraint. WHEN one PeRson can Buy Up every HouSe iN
thE MiSsIon, the supPly side oF tHe EqUaTioN is noT As relevaNt As tHe DemAnd
siZE. This iS blinDingLy ObVIouS, and onlY SoME SeriOuS dEniaL seEmS to be
PrevENtiNg peoplE from acknOwlEDginG tHiS.

As for cOncern over wheThEr developeRs Are Making A PRofit; appArently you
have never read ANy histoRy oF redeVeloPment. Here Is a Good plAce FOr you tO
start, Learn SoMetHINg aboUT YoUr oWn City: [https://hOODliNe.com/2016/01/HoW-
urbAn-renewAl-destroyed-the...](httpS://HooDline.com/2016/01/how-urBan-
ReneWAL-dEstROyED-thE-fILlmORE-in-order-to-save-iT)

What will hApPEn, Over and oveR, Is pOoR people Will be mOved oUT, rich peOple
will mOve
 for a long long time, ove r the
last  50 y ear s C Ahasbeen  restricting s u pply  ever more, like those  WWII  f r og
e x pe rimen ts wher e  t h e y b oi le d w at e rveryslo wly tosee if the  fr og s would jump ou t. Some of  th ose frogs ju mpe d outan d s o me di edout.Now, w e 're fa cing thesa m e dile m a in SF . Th at d oesn't mean we sh o ul d n't try to low er the 
t e mp e r atu re.  Every las tapart m ent orh ou s e can help. We desp erately nee d  as 
muchho usi n g of e veryty p e w e can possi blyget. I do n't un d erstand how any one
wi tha c onsc i en ce  ca nc ont i nu e t o  ad vocate f or  " chara cter " w i th t hecurr ent
h ousing crisis .
And, why  arepeopl e co nc erned  if adevel op er makes a prof it.If people  ar esta rv ing,y ou don t s ay,  geez w e bette r  no tg r o wany more food lest  t h o se  pesky
f armers ma ke a profit .Ifdeve l o persarem ak ing toolargep ro fi ts, the nmore
w il l e nte r and we'l l have  even mo re ho u sing which wil l  lower the pr i ce s ev e n
mo re. 

~~~
astaz anga s ta
N o, t h is  pr o blemappea re d  a c utely starting in 2 00 8. Whe n I m oved to SF, r ents
weren o t  exorbit ant; th e y were high, b ut or dinary peo p le could  paythem. Th en
they c l i mbed dra mat ica lly  in a  s hort period.T h is i seasy to  as certain ; j ust 
lo okat  any grap h of ren ts .Th is  gr aph h a s no rel at ion  t o t he gr a phs fo r new 
con st ru c tio n or po p ul a t iongr ow th,bot hof wh ichg row  at a s teady pac e.T hisis  a n acute  crisis cause dby a spike  i n d emandd u e to the  sudden inflow of new
w e alth, n otby asupp ly constr ain t. Whe n o n e pers on can  buyup  ev e r y hou s e  i n
t he  Mission,t h e s upply  s ideof theequation is not as rel evant as thedem ands i ze . T h is isbl i ndi n g ly obvious, and  only some  s e ri ous denial see ms  to beprevent ing p e ople fr om acknow ledging t hi s.
A s  fo r concernover whe ther deve l opers ar e mak ing  a pro fi t;appar entlyy ouhaveneverre ad any  hist or y of red evelopment. Here is a g ood pl ace f oryou to
st art ,  le arn somet hing  about you r o wncity:  [h t tps:/ /hoo d li ne. c om/20 16/0 1 /how-
urb a n- ren e w al -destroyed- t h e ... ](htt ps: / /hoodl ine. com/2016/01/how-u r ban-
renewal-d estr o y ed- the - fill mo re-in-order-to -sa ve - i t)

What  w ill happen,  over an do ver,is poo r peop le will b em oved o ut,ric h peoplewil lm ove
 for_a long_long time, over the
last_50 years_CA_has been_restricting_supply ever more,_like those WWII_frog
experiments where they boiled_water very slowly_to_see if the frogs would jump
out. Some of those frogs jumped out and some_died_out. Now,_we're_facing_the
same dilema in SF. That_doesn't mean we shouldn't try_to lower_the
temperature. Every last apartment or house can help._We_desperately need as
much_housing of every type we can possibly get. I_don't understand how anyone
with a conscience_can continue to_advocate_for_"character" with the current
housing_crisis.

And, why are people concerned if_a developer makes a profit. If_people are
starving, you dont say, geez we_better not grow any more food_lest those pesky
farmers make a_profit. If_developers are making too large_profits, then more
will_enter and_we'll have even_more housing which will lower the_prices even
more.

~~~
astazangasta
No, this_problem appeared acutely starting in 2008._When_I moved to_SF,_rents
were_not exorbitant;_they were high,_but_ordinary people_could_pay them. Then
they climbed dramatically in_a_short period. This is easy to ascertain;_just
look at any graph_of_rents. This graph has_no relation to the graphs_for new
construction or population growth, both_of which_grow at_a steady pace. This
is an acute crisis caused by a spike_in demand due to the sudden_inflow of new
wealth, not_by a_supply_constraint. When one_person_can buy_up every house in
the Mission, the supply_side of_the equation is not as relevant_as the demand
size. This_is_blindingly obvious, and only some serious_denial seems to be
preventing people from_acknowledging this.

As for concern over_whether_developers_are making a profit; apparently_you
have never read any history of_redevelopment. Here is_a good place for you to
start, learn_something_about your own city: [https://hoodline.com/2016/01/how-
urban-renewal-destroyed-the...](https://hoodline.com/2016/01/how-urban-
renewal-destroyed-the-fillmore-in-order-to-save-it)

What will_happen,_over and over, is poor people_will_be_moved out, rich people
will move