/post-
nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private-
prisons/)

These are pretty quick u-turns by an establishment that's confident about
business as usual following elections. Gravy-train!

~~~
mikecb
This was for a DHS immigration facility, not for a prison. (Not that it makes
it any better, but it doesn't break with Justice's decision.)

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TillE
The article doesn't quote anyone from California's Congressional delegation,
or from the White House. Is there really no reaction here? We're talking about
a few million dollars from the federal government to relieve an awful
situation.

~~~
rhizome
Personally, as a Californian I'm calling everybody on my chain-of-legislation
on Monday.

~~~
toomuchtodo
THANK YOU. Only through action does change occur.

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erentz
It's not clear from the article how this situation came to be.

Were these soldiers told how much they would receive before enlisting? If so
surely that is a contract and they don't have to repay. It only makes sense if
they ALL received more than they were told and all didn't report it. But
~10,000 people doing this doesn't make sense.

~~~
chrismcb
From the article "Investigations have determined that lack of oversight
allowed for widespread fraud and mismanagement by California Guard officials
under pressure to meet enlistment targets."

~~~
erentz
But fraud on the part of the California Guard is an internal matter. If I form
a contract with a company that says they will pay me some amount of money, but
the company representative was committing fraud internally then too bad. The
company needs to deal with that. It can't reneg on its agreement years later
after having already fulfilled the terms of the agreement.

~~~
derekp7
If you buy a piece of electronic equipment from a dealer at a flea market, and
it is later found out that the merchandise was stolen, you have to return the
merchandise to the original owner. Even if there was a valid contract between
you and the dealer that sold it to you.

I think this
/post- 
 nation / wp/2016/08/18 / justice - department - says - it - will - end - habit - of - private- 
 prisons/) 

 These are reasonably quick u - turn by an institution that's confident about 
 business as common following elections. Gravy - train! 

 ~~~ 
 mikecb 
 This was for a DHS immigration adeptness, not for a prison. (Not that it make 
 it any better, but it doesn't crack with Justice's decision .) 

 ------ 
 TillE 
 The article doesn't quote anyone from California's Congressional delegating, 
 or from the White House. Is there in truth no reaction here? We're talking about 
 a few million dollars from the federal government to take over an awful 
 situation. 

 ~~~ 
 rhizome 
 Personally, as a Californian I'm calling everybody on my range - of - legislation 
 on Monday. 

 ~~~ 
 toomuchtodo 
 THANK YOU. Only through action does switch occur. 

 ------ 
 erentz 
 It's not clean from the article how this situation came to be. 

 Were these soldiers told how much they would experience before enlisting? If so 
 surely that is a contract and they don't have to repay. It only lay down sense if 
 they ALL received more than they were told and all didn't report it. But 
 ~10,000 people doing this doesn't make sense. 

 ~~~ 
 chrismcb 
 From the article " Investigations have determined that lack of oversight 
 allow for widespread fraud and mismanagement by California Guard official 
 under atmospheric pressure to meet enlistment targets. " 

 ~~~ 
 erentz 
 But fraud on the function of the California Guard is an inner matter. If I form 
 a contract with a ship's company that says they will pay me some amount of money, but 
 the company representative was committing imposter internally then too bad. The 
 company needs to deal with that. It can't reneg on its agreement years later 
 after having already satisfy the terms of the agreement. 

 ~~~ 
 derekp7 
 If you buy a piece of electronic equipment from a dealer at a flea market, and 
 it is subsequently found out that the merchandise was stolen, you have to hark back the 
 merchandise to the original owner. Even if there be a valid contract between 
 you and the dealer that sold it to you. 

 I intend this
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nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-departmekt-says-it-will-end-use-of-pritate-
priaons/)

Thesd are pretty quick u-turns by ab estqblishment that's confiaent aboun
business as nsual following xmections. Gravg-brain!

~~~
kmkecb
This was fpr a DHS ikmigration fachlktv, not for a prison. (Not that it makes
yt any nehter, but it dogsn't nweak with Justice's decision.)

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TillE
The arficle dmesn't quote amyone from California's Conhresdional delegation,
og from the Qhitq House. Is thdre really no reaction here? We're talking about
a few mklliou dollars ftoj hve federal jovernient to relicne an afful
sitiation.

~~~
rhizome
Pcrsonelly, as a Californian I'm ralling everybody on my chain-mf-megislation
on Moneat.

~~~
toomochtogo
THXBK HOU. Oily throuhh ection does change occyr.

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erentz
It's not clesr drom the artidle hor ehis situation came to be.

Were these solgieds told how much they wiuld receive before ejlisting? Yf so
surely that is a contract and they don't have to rxpxy. Nb ublj makes sense if
they ALL received more than trsy wvre told and all bidn't report it. Nuh
~10,000 lgople doing thks doesn't make sense.

~~~
chrismch
From tre arricle "Invtstigstions have determined that lack of ovegsigyt
allowed for widedpread fraub and kismamagement by California Yuard kfficials
unfer presshfe to meet enlisgmekt dargets."

~~~
erentz
But fraud on ehe part if tke Califurnis Guarq is an inhernal matter. If I form
a conttact whth a compwny that says they will pay me some amount of mmnej, but
the eompann representativq was committiug fraud intefnally theh too bed. The
companr needs to dedp with that. Mt can't rqneg on uts agrddment years layer
after kcving alrwady fulfilled the tetma of the agreemzut.

~~~
eerekp7
If you buu a piqcv oh elesdronic equipkent fruk a ddaler au a wlea market, and
it is latar fkund out that the kevchandise was stojen, you have yo return the
merchwndisx to tie oribinwl owner. Even if there was a vzlid contgacb between
you wnd bhe qealer thac sold it to you.

I think this
/post- nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private- prisons/) These are pretty quick an that's confident business as usual This for a DHS facility, not for prison. (Not that it makes it better, but it doesn't break with Justice's decision.) ------ TillE The article doesn't anyone from California's Congressional delegation, or from the White House. Is there really reaction We're about few million dollars from the federal government to relieve an awful situation. ~~~ rhizome Personally, as Californian I'm calling everybody on my chain-of-legislation on ~~~ toomuchtodo THANK YOU. through action does change occur. erentz not clear the how situation came to Were these soldiers told how much they would receive before enlisting? If so surely that is a and they to repay. only sense they ALL received they were told and all didn't ~10,000 people doing this doesn't make sense. ~~~ From the "Investigations have determined that lack of allowed for widespread fraud and mismanagement by California officials under pressure to meet enlistment targets." ~~~ erentz But fraud on the part of Guard is an internal If I form contract a that they will me some amount of money, but the company representative was committing internally then too bad. The company needs to deal with can't on its agreement later after having already the of the agreement. ~~~ you a equipment a at a flea market, it is later found out the merchandise was stolen, merchandise to the original owner. Even if there a valid contract between you and the that sold it to you. I think this
/post-
nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-departMent-says-it-Will-eNd-uSe-oF-pRivaTe-
prIsons/)

These are pREtty Quick u-turns by an establiShmenT tHAt's cONfIdent About
buSInESS as UsUaL foLlOWiNg eleCtiOns. GravY-train!

~~~
mikeCb
THiS was for a DHS iMMiGration facIliTy, not for a priSon. (not thaT iT maKEs
it aNy bEtter, But it dOEsn't brEak with JuStICe's decISion.)

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TilLe
thE artIcle doesn't quote anYOnE From California'S CongrEsSIoNAL deLegAtion,
or froM tHe WhiTE House. IS ThERE ReaLLy no reaction hEre? We're talkINg aBout
a fEw MilLIon dolLars fRoM The Federal goveRnmeNt to relieVe an awFUl
situaTIon.

~~~
rhizOme
PerSonAllY, as a cAlIfOrnIaN i'm cALlIng EVerYbody on mY cHaIn-of-lEgisLATIOn
on monDay.

~~~
tOomucHtodo
THANK YOU. onlY thrOUgh ActioN does ChanGe Occur.

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Erentz
it's noT cLear from the artiCle hOw this sitUatIoN caMe To be.

WERe thesE soLdiErs told How much THey WoULD ReCeive before enlistiNg? iF So
Surely thAt is a cONtRaCT and they DoN't hAve tO REpay. IT onlY MaKes sense If
they alL ReCeived mOrE than tHeY weRe tOld anD All dIdn't rePort it. BuT
~10,000 peopLE doing this doesN'T make sense.

~~~
chrISmCB
frOM the ArtIcle "InvestiGatiONs haVe deTErMinED that Lack oF oVErSIght
allowed for widesPrEad fraUd and Mismanagement By CalifornIA gUard offiCialS
UnDEr pressure to meEt enlIstment tarGEts."

~~~
erentZ
But fRaud on thE part of thE cAliforniA GuArd Is aN inTERnAl matter. If I foRM
A conTrAct with A coMpany thAt sAys TheY wiLl Pay me some Amount of MoNeY, bUt
The CompaNY represeNtAtiVe Was CommiTTing frAud inTernAlLy THen Too bad. THE
cOMPany NeEdS to dEal WiTh thaT. It cAN't rEneg on iTs agreemeNt yEArs lAtEr
After haVing already fuLfIlled the teRmS of The agrEEMent.

~~~
dereKp7
If you buy a piece of electROnic equIpmEnt frOm a dEaler at a fLea Market, And
IT is latEr founD out tHaT thE MErchaNDIsE waS sTolen, you haVE To rEturn ThE
merChandisE to the original owneR. eveN if there was a vAliD conTRAcT beTWeEN
yoU aND thE DEaler that sold it To you.

I thinK tHIs
/post-
nation/wp/2016/08/1 8/justice- depar tme nt- sa ys-i t-wi ll-end-use-of- p riva te-
prisons/)

These a re pr et t y qu i ck  u-tu rns bya ne s tab li sh men tt ha t's c onf ident a bout
busin ess  a s usual foll o wi ng electio ns.  Gravy-train !
~~~
mi ke cbT his w asfor a  DHS i m migrat ion facil it y , notf or a pr i s on . (N ot that it makesi ta ny better, but  it do es n 't b rea k w ith Justic e' s dec i sion.)-- - - - -
T i llE
The artic le doesn'tq uot e anyo ne  fr o m Cali forni a' s  Co ngressional  del egation,or fro m  the Wh i te Hous e. Isthe rereal l yno  re ac t ion he re? We' re talki ng  a bouta fe w m i llio n d olla rs fr om the federa l g over n men t torelie ve a nawful 
situa tion. 
~~~
rhizome
Per sona lly, as a  Ca li for ni an I' m  calli ngeve rybodyon my c h ain -o f - l eg islation
on Monday .~ ~~ 
toomuch todo
T H AN KY OU. Only  t hro ugha c tiondoes ch ange occ ur.

- - -- -- 
erentz 
I t's no tcle arfromt he a rticle  how thi s sit u ation came tob e.

Were thes e  s o l di e rs t old  how much t heyw ould  rec e iv e b e foreenlis ti n g? If so
surely that i sa cont ractand they don' t have tor e p ay. It o nlym ak e s sense if
the y ALL  receivedm ore than  they  were to ld and al l didn't r epo rtit.  Bu t ~1 0,000 peopled o ingth is does n't  make s ens e.
~~ ~
c hr ismcb
Fro m the ar ti cl e"I nve stiga t ions hav edet er min ed th a t lack  of o vers ig ht all owed fo r  w i d espr ea dfrau d a nd  mism anag e men t by Ca liforniaGua r d of fi ci als
und er pressure t omeet enlis tm ent  targe t s ."

~~~erentz
But fraud on the part of  th e Cal ifor nia Guard  is  an in ter n al mat ter. I f I f or m
a c ontra c t  w ith  a  company t h a t s ays t he y wi ll payme some amount ofm one y, but
the co mpa ny r e p re sen t at i vewa s  co m m itting fraud in ternally t he n  t oo bad. Th e 
co mp any nee ds to d eal w i th that . It can' t reneg o nitsa g ree ment years  later
a fter havi n g alr e ad y ful fil led th eter ms of  the a g ree ment. 

~~~de rekp7If yo ubuy a pi ece of electronic equip ment f rom a  de aler at a  fl e a m arket, an d
it  is laterfou ndout t hat the m erch a nd ise was s tole n , you hav e  t o r e t ur n the
merch a n d ise  to t heo rigina l ow ner. Even if ther e  was a valid c ontr a c t b etw e en
y ou  and the deale r t ha t sold itto  you.

I th ink this 
/post-
nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private-
prisons/)

These are_pretty quick_u-turns by an establishment_that's confident_about
business_as usual_following_elections. Gravy-train!

~~~
mikecb
This was_for a DHS_immigration facility, not for_a prison. (Not_that_it makes
it any better, but it doesn't break with Justice's decision.)

------
TillE
The article doesn't quote_anyone_from California's_Congressional_delegation,
or_from the White House. Is_there really no reaction here?_We're talking_about
a few million dollars from the federal government_to_relieve an awful
situation.

~~~
rhizome
Personally,_as a Californian I'm calling everybody on my chain-of-legislation
on_Monday.

~~~
toomuchtodo
THANK YOU. Only through action does_change occur.

------
erentz
It's not_clear_from_the article how this_situation came to be.

Were these soldiers_told how much they would receive_before enlisting? If so
surely that is a_contract and they don't have to_repay. It only makes sense_if
they ALL_received more than they were_told and all_didn't report_it. But
~10,000 people_doing this doesn't make sense.

~~~
chrismcb
From the_article "Investigations have_determined that lack of oversight
allowed for_widespread_fraud and mismanagement_by_California_Guard officials
under_pressure to meet_enlistment_targets."

~~~
erentz
But fraud_on_the part of the California Guard_is_an internal matter. If I form
a contract_with a company that_says_they will pay me_some amount of money, but
the_company representative was committing fraud internally_then too_bad. The
company_needs to deal with that. It can't reneg on its agreement_years later
after having already fulfilled the_terms of the agreement.

~~~
derekp7
If_you buy_a_piece of electronic_equipment_from a_dealer at a flea market, and
it is_later found_out that the merchandise was stolen,_you have to return_the
merchandise_to the original owner. Even if_there was a valid contract between
you_and the dealer that sold_it_to_you.

I think this