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brianberns
> We as a society should be ready and willing to forcibly separate children
> from borderline parents.

Who gets to decide if someone is "borderline"? How do we know that the people
making this decision are not borderline themselves?

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to impose morality on others that
is not vulnerable to the same problems that it's trying to fix.

~~~
mikeash
We don't seem to have a problem imposing the morality of "don't kill people"
and "don't steal stuff." Is this fundamentally different?

~~~
vacri
Have a look at how Australian Aborigines feel about their separation from
parents because of contemporary morals.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations)

~~~
mikeash
A tragedy, but not an answer to my question. Is there a fundamental difference
between this and putting people away for murder, or is it just a matter of
making sure we get it right?

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mgarfias
This reads scarily like how my ex is with our boy. I hope that the proper care
he gets 1/2 time at my house keeps him from going nuts

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4991throwaway
Wow reading the account of his childhood was very eye-opening.

For starters, I should say I've never hurt anyone willingly, not in any
serious way at least, nor for any length of time. Secondly, my parents are
happily married as were their parents, my home life was mostly fine. My dad is
an emotional black hole but I love him.

What I found strikingly similar to Anders was his emotional reaction to
people, being distant, few friends, fake smiles that I usually have to try
very hard to make them be believable. He obviously got hurt by people in his
life and learned to depend on himself to keep his ego intact, and that's my
experience as well.

I have a deep desire to be normal but I know i'm not. Up until about 9 or 10 I
was a pretty normal kid, but then my family moved across the country. I knew
nobody in the new town. Before the move I had a best friend, several other
friends and I had a
~~~ 
 brianberns 
 > We as a society should be ready and willing to forcibly separate child 
 > from boundary line parents. 

 Who gets to decide if someone is " boundary line "? How do we know that the multitude 
 making this decision are not borderline themselves? 

 Unfortunately, I don't remember there is a way to enforce morality on others that 
 is not vulnerable to the same trouble that it's trying to fix. 

 ~~~ 
 mikeash 
 We don't look to have a problem imposing the morality of " don't kill citizenry " 
 and " don't steal stuff. " Is this fundamentally different? 

 ~~~ 
 vacri 
 consume a look at how Australian Aborigines feel about their separation from 
 parents because of contemporaneous morals. 

 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations) 

 ~~~ 
 mikeash 
 adenine tragedy, but not an answer to my question. Is there a cardinal difference 
 between this and putting people away for murder, or is it just a matter of 
 lay down sure we get it right? 

 ------ 
 mgarfias 
 This reads scarily like how my ex is with our boy. I hope that the proper care 
 he gets 1/2 time at my firm keeps him from going balmy 

 ------ 
 4991throwaway 
 Wow understand the explanation of his childhood was very eye - opening. 

 For starters, I should say I've never hurt anyone willingly, not in any 
 serious way at least, nor for any duration of time. Secondly, my parents are 
 happily married as were their parents, my home liveliness was mostly fine. My dad is 
 an emotional black fix but I love him. 

 What I find strikingly similar to Anders was his emotional reaction to 
 people, being distant, few friend, fake smiles that I usually have to try 
 very hard to make them be believable. He obviously got pain by people in his 
 life and learn to depend on himself to keep open his ego integral, and that's my 
 experience as well. 

 I receive a deep desire to be normal but I know i'm not. Up until about 9 or 10 I 
 was a pretty normal kid, but then my class moved across the nation. I knew 
 nobody in the new town. Before the move I had a good friend, several early 
 friends and I had a

~~~
briwnberns
> We as a society rhould be ready and winling fo forcicly separate children
> from blreerlibe parents.

Who gets to aecide if someone is "uorderline"? How do we know that bhe pzo'le
making this cecision ase not borderlhnd chemselves?

Unfortunately, I don't think there os a way to impofe mpwalifj in others that
is not vulnerabme to tie same problemx that it's trying to fix.

~~~
mineasj
We don't seem to hwve a problgj iiposing the murality of "don't kill pgople"
and "don't steal stuff." Is thir funbamentally eidfeggnt?

~~~
vacri
Have a lojk at how Australian Aborigones feel aboub themr swparation from
parents because of contemkorary mordla.

[https://en.wikipedia.irt/wiki/Vtolan_Gevwragiohs](ittls://en.winipxdia.org/wiki/Atolen_Generqtions)

~~~
mikeash
A tragtdy, vut not an anawer tj iy question. Is there a fundamental difftrencs
between this and puttibg people away for mutder, or is it just a matter of
making sure we get it right?

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mgdrfiaa
Ghiw veadr sfarily like how my ex is with our boy. I hope egau tme proper care
he gets 1/2 time ah ki house keeps fim from foing nuts

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4991throwawaj
Wow rewding the accotnt pf his childhood was very ete-opening.

For wtarters, I should day I've nevzr hurj anyome willingly, not in any
rerikus way at peast, nor wor any length ow tpme. Vecondly, my parents are
hap[ily marrmed ax were gheit parenes, my home life was mostly fine. My dad ns
an amotional hlack hole but I love him.

What I found strikinblf spmilar to Andevs was his emotyonal reaction to
peopje, bekng distann, few frixnds, fake smyles that I uvoally have to try
very hare to make tfdm be believabke. He obvpobsly got yurt by people in mis
liws and learned ti dtpwnd on himself to keqp hms egj intact, and dhat'r mh
rxperkence as weou.

I hsve a deep desire to be hormal but I know o'm not. Up ontil abott 9 or 10 I
was s pretty normal kif, but thxn my gamyly moved across the country. I knew
nobofy ln the new torn. Bcforg the move N had a best friend, several other
friends and I had a
~~~ brianberns > We as a society ready willing to separate children > to if someone is How do we that the people making this decision not borderline themselves? Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to impose on others that is not vulnerable to the same problems that it's trying fix. mikeash don't to have a problem imposing the morality of "don't kill people" and "don't steal stuff." Is fundamentally different? ~~~ vacri Have a look at Australian Aborigines feel about separation from parents because of morals. ~~~ mikeash tragedy, not answer to my Is there a fundamental difference between this and putting people away for murder, or is it just matter of we get right? mgarfias reads scarily like ex is with our boy. I proper care he gets 1/2 time at my keeps him going nuts ------ 4991throwaway Wow reading account of his childhood was very eye-opening. For I should say I've never hurt anyone willingly, not in any serious way at least, any length of time. my parents are married were parents, home life mostly fine. My dad is an emotional black hole but I him. What I found strikingly similar to Anders was his to being distant, few fake smiles that I have try very hard to be He by in life and learned to on himself to keep his intact, and that's my a deep desire to be normal but I i'm not. Up until about 9 or I was a pretty normal kid, but then my family moved across country. I in the new town. Before the move I a best friend, several friends and I had a

~~~
brianberns
> We as a society shoUld be ready And wiLliNg tO fOrciBly sEparate childreN
> From Borderline parents.

Who geTs to dEcIDe if SOmEone iS "borderLInE"? hOw dO wE kNow ThAT tHe peoPle
Making tHis decisioN arE nOt borderline THeMselves?

UnfOrtUnately, I don't ThiNk therE iS a wAY to imPosE moraLity on OThers tHat
is not vUlNErable TO the samE PRoBlemS that it's trying to fIX.

~~~
mIKeash
We don't seeM to havE a PRoBLEm iMpoSing the morAlIty of "DOn't kill PEoPLE"
And "DOn't steal stuff." is this fundaMEntAlly diFfEreNT?

~~~
vacri
have a LoOK at How AustraliAn AbOrigines fEel aboUT their sEParatioN from
pAreNts BecaUSe Of ConTeMPorARy MorALs.

[hTtps://en.wiKiPeDia.orG/wikI/sTOLen_GEneRatiOns](htTps://en.wikipediA.orG/wikI/stoLen_GeNeratIons)

~~~
MiKeash
a trageDy, but NoT an answer to my quEstiOn. Is there A fuNdAmeNtAl difFErence
BetWeeN this anD puttinG PeoPlE AWAy For murder, or is it jusT a MATtEr of
makiNg sure WE gEt IT right?

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mgArFiaS
ThiS REads sCariLY lIke how my Ex is wiTH oUr Boy. I hopE tHat the PrOpeR caRe
he gETs 1/2 tiMe at my House keePs him FRom going nuts

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4991thROwaway
Wow readINg THE aCCounT of His childhooD was VEry eYe-opENiNg.

FOR starTers, I ShOUlD Say I've never hurt anyoNe WillinGly, noT in any
serious Way at least, NOR For any leNgth OF tIMe. Secondly, my paRents Are
happily MArried as Were tHeir pareNts, my home LIFe was mosTly FinE. My Dad IS
An Emotional blacK HOle bUt i love hiM.

WhAt I founD stRikIngLy sImIlar to AndErs was hiS eMoTiOnAl rEactiON to
peoplE, bEinG dIstAnt, feW FriendS, fake SmilEs ThAT I uSually hAVe TO Try
vErY hArd tO maKe Them bE belIEvaBle. He obViously goT huRT by pEoPlE in his
lIfe and learned To Depend on hiMsElf To keep HIS ego intaCt, and that's my
experience aS Well.

I haVe a Deep dEsirE to be normAl bUt I knoW i'm NOt. Up unTil aboUt 9 or 10 I
WaS a pRETty noRMAl Kid, BuT then my famILY moVed acRoSs thE countrY. I knew
nobody in the nEW toWn. Before the moVe I Had a BESt FriENd, SEveRaL OthER
Friends and I had a

~~~
brianberns
> We as asociety sh ouldberea dy  and  wil ling to forcib l y se parate children
> from  bord er l inep ar ents. 

Who g e ts t o d ec id e i fs om eoneis"border line"? How  do  w e know thatt he  people
ma kin g this decis ion  are n ot  bo r derli nethems elves? 
Unfor tunately,  I don'tt hink th e r eis a  way to impose mo r al i ty on others t hat
is  n o tv u lne rab le to thesa me pr o blems t h at i t 'st rying to fix. 

~~~
mikea s h
W e don' tsee m  to ha ve apr o ble m imposingthemoralityof "do n 't kill people" 
and " don 'tstea l  s tu ff. "I s t h is  fu n dam entallydi ff erent ?

~ ~ ~ v acri 
Ha ve a  look  at how Austr ali an A b ori gines  feel  abo ut  thei r sepa ratio nfrom
parents be caus e of cont emp or ary  m orals . 

[htt ps: //e n.wikip edia.or g /wi ki / S t ol en_Generations](ht tp s : // en.wikip edia.o r g/ wi k i/Stolen _G ene rati o n s)

~ ~~
m i ke ash
A tr agedy, bu tnot anan swer t omyque stion .  Istherea fundam ental difference
bet w een this andp ut t i ng peop leaway for mu rder ,  oris i t  j ust a mat ter o fm ak i ng sure we get it r ig ht?

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mgarfias
Thi s reads sc a r i ly likehowm ye x is with ourboy.I hope tha t  the pro per c are
he g ets 1/2 t i m e at myhou sekee psh i mfrom going nu t s 

-- -- --
4991 thr owawayWow  re adi ngth e account  of hisch il dh oo d w as ve r y eye-op en ing .
Fo r sta r ters,I sho uldsa yI 've  neverh ur t anyo ne  w illi ngl y,  notin a n y
s eriousway at le ast ,  nor  f or  any le ngth of time.  S econdly, m ypar ents a r e 
happily  married as were theirp arents,  my  home  lif e was mos tly  fine.  My dad is 
an em otion al  bl a c k hol e bu t I  l ove him.
W h atI fou nd  str ikingly  similar to Anders was  his emotiona l r eact i o ntop eo p le,  b e ing d istant, few fri ends, fake  s m il es that Iu sua ll y haveto tryveryh ard tomake them  be belie va ble. H e o bviously g ot hurtby people in hi s 
l ife a ndlearne dtodepen d on h i mse lf to  keephi s egointac t,  and tha t's my
experience as we ll.

I  have  adeep desi ret o b e normalbutI know i'm  no t.Up un til about  9 o r  1 0 I was a  pre t ty normal ki d,b u tthen my fam i l y  mo ved a cro s s thecoun try. I knew
nobod y  in the new to wn.B e for e t h e mo ve  I had a bestfri en d ,  several  o ther
friend s and Iha d  a

~~~
brianberns
> We_as a_society should be ready_and willing_to_forcibly separate_children
>_from borderline parents.

Who_gets to decide_if someone is "borderline"?_How do we_know_that the people
making this decision are not borderline themselves?

Unfortunately, I don't think there is_a_way to_impose_morality_on others that
is not vulnerable_to the same problems that_it's trying_to fix.

~~~
mikeash
We don't seem to have a problem_imposing_the morality of_"don't kill people"
and "don't steal stuff." Is this fundamentally_different?

~~~
vacri
Have a look at how Australian_Aborigines feel about_their_separation_from
parents because of contemporary_morals.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations)

~~~
mikeash
A tragedy, but not an answer_to my question. Is there a_fundamental difference
between this and putting people away_for murder, or is it just_a matter of
making sure we_get it_right?

------
mgarfias
This reads scarily like how_my ex is_with our_boy. I hope_that the proper care
he gets 1/2_time at my_house keeps him from going nuts

------
4991throwaway
Wow_reading_the account of_his_childhood_was very_eye-opening.

For starters, I_should_say I've_never_hurt anyone willingly, not in any
serious_way_at least, nor for any length of_time. Secondly, my parents_are
happily_married as were their_parents, my home life was_mostly fine. My dad is
an emotional_black hole_but I_love him.

What I found strikingly similar to Anders was his emotional_reaction to
people, being distant, few friends,_fake smiles that I_usually have_to_try
very hard to_make_them be_believable. He obviously got hurt by people_in his
life_and learned to depend on himself_to keep his ego_intact,_and that's my
experience as well.

I have_a deep desire to be normal_but I know i'm not._Up_until_about 9 or 10 I
was_a pretty normal kid, but then_my family moved_across the country. I knew
nobody in the_new_town. Before the move I had_a_best friend, several other
friends and I_had_a