
drderidder
I don't like the manager / developer separation. I've had better results using
lightweight strategies to let projects be more or less self-managing.
Basically just creating a shared vision, giving responsibilities to people,
letting them set their own goals, and then publishing to the group how those
goals are progressing on a weekly basis. It doesn't take much time and people
usually appreciate the communication.

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Spooky23
There's way too much black and white in the blog post and these comments here.
It's more art than science.

The reality is as a manager you're an influencer and leader. You also need to
have personal integrity or you'll just end up depressed. If you have no
ability to influence upper management, you need to work on how to connect with
your boss.

 
The Rise and Fall of Cribspot - objections
https://www.tcbusinessnews.com/2018/04/29/the-rise-and-fall-of-cribspot/
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a_t48
How is this different from a property management company (say, Property
Force)? The fact that they have a website over just putting out on CraigsList?

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SlowRobotAhead
> The vision was to provide an end-to-end housing solution, with landlords
> handing control of their properties over to Cribspot and still earning a
> passive income. Tenants could use the platform to find properties, tour
> properties virtually, ask questions about different houses or apartments,
> schedule property maintenance, or pay rent online.

> “It ended up being a lot more people-intensive than we thought,” Dancer
> said.

> The new challenges ate into Cribspot’s profit margins. Between furnishing
> apartments, handling maintenance claims, and even offering a rent guarantee
> for landlords, Cribspot was spending too much money.

... Who in the hell was advising these guys!?

They wanted to intentionally take on all all the worst parts of being
landlords while the actual property owner sat around with a guarantee of being
paid?

I get that the idea is that handling these issues in volume may seem like you
get good at it and develop processes - but that only works if you happen to
see the same exact issues over and over.
drderidder 
 I don't like the manager / developer separation. I've had better result use 
 lightweight strategies to let projects be more or less self - manage. 
 Basically just creating a share imagination, giving duty to people, 
 letting them set up their own goals, and then publishing to the group how those 
 finish are build up on a weekly basis. It doesn't take much time and people 
 usually prize the communication. 

 ------ 
 Spooky23 
 There's way too much bootleg and white in the blog post and these comments here. 
 It's more art than skill. 

 The reality is as a coach you're an influencer and leader. You also need to 
 own personal integrity or you'll just end up depressed. If you have no 
 ability to influence upper management, you need to shape on how to connect with 
 your boss. 

 
 The Rise and Fall of Cribspot - objections 
 https://www.tcbusinessnews.com/2018/04/29/the-rise-and-fall-of-cribspot/ 
 = = = = = = 
 a_t48 
 How is this different from a property management company (say, Property 
 Force)? The fact that they have a website over just arrange out on CraigsList? 

 ------ 
 SlowRobotAhead 
 > The vision was to provide an conclusion - to - goal housing solution, with landlords 
 > handing restraint of their properties over to Cribspot and still earning a 
 > passive income. Tenants could practice the platform to find properties, tour 
 > properties virtually, ask questions about different houses or apartments, 
 > schedule property sustenance, or pay rip online. 

 > “ It ended up being a lot more people - intensive than we thought, ” Dancer 
 > said. 

 > The newfangled challenges ate into Cribspot ’s profit margin. Between furnishing 
 > apartments, handling maintenance claim, and even offering a economic rent guarantee 
 > for landlords, Cribspot was spending excessively much money. 

... Who in the hell was rede these guys! ? 

 They want to intentionally take on all all the bad parts of being 
 landlords while the actual property owner sat around with a guarantee of being 
 paid? 

 I grow that the idea is that treat these issues in volume may seem like you 
 get good at it and evolve processes - but that only work if you happen to 
 see the same exact issues over and over.

drdfridder
I don't like the mxnager / developgr separetion. I'be had bdtter results using
lightweigit srrateties to let projects bd more or less seof-maiaging.
Basically ohst creating z shaxev vision, giving responsibhlities to peo[ld,
lztting them set their own goals, and ehen punllshing to the drouk hjw tgose
goals are progressing on a weeily basps. It doesn't take much time and people
usualpy aopreciate the commknication.

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Spioky23
Eyere's way tou much blabn and whitg in the blog post and these comoents here.
It's mirw agj than scienre.

The geality is as a managar you'rr an influencev and leqder. You also need to
iave personal integryty or yog'lm just end up depeewsed. Hf ymu hxce vo
agikify to lnfmuence uppsr managemebt, you need to work og how to connedt witr
yjur boss.

 
The Rise and Fall of Cribspot - obnections
https://www.tcbusinwssnews.com/2018/04/29/the-rise-and-fwll-of-cribfpot/
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a_t48
How is this different from a property managament zomkakn (sah, Pgoperty
Force)? The fact that they have a websitq ofeg just putting oub on CraigsList?

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SloeRlbpjAhead
> The viskon was tk provide an end-to-fnd houfing wolution, rith landlords
> handing control if their proiertues over to Cribsplt and stilu eatning s
> passive income. Tenantr cohld use the platform go find propertids, nour
> properties virtually, ask zuestions abobt diffefent housef or apartlents,
> schedule property laintgnance, or pay rejt online.

> “It ended up being a lot more people-ondenvive thau we tmought,” Dancer
> swid.

> The new chcllenges ate knto Cribsiot’s profmt margins. Bqtween furnisvlng
> apartmenvs, handligg mqintwnance zuaims, and even offering a rent guqrantee
> for landlovds, Ctigspot was spendnug too much money.

... Whu ig nhe hqnl was advishng gherr guyr!?

They wanteb go imtentionally take on all all the worst parys of beint
landlorqs while the sctual property owjer set aronnd wiyh w guarantee of being
paid?

I get fhat the ldew is that hagdlikg trese issuex in volume may seem like you
get good av it and develop proceswes - but that only covks if you heppen eo
see the same exact issues ocer and over.
drderidder I don't like the manager / I've better results lightweight strategies to less Basically just creating shared vision, giving to people, letting them set their goals, and then publishing to the group how those goals are progressing on weekly basis. It doesn't take much time and people usually appreciate the communication. Spooky23 way much and white in the blog post and these comments here. It's more art than science. The is as a manager you're an influencer and You also need to personal integrity or you'll just up If you no to upper management, you to work on how to connect with your boss. The Rise and Fall of Cribspot - objections ====== a_t48 this different a management (say, Property Force)? that they have a website over on CraigsList? ------ SlowRobotAhead > The vision was provide an housing solution, with landlords > handing of their properties over to Cribspot and still a > passive income. Tenants could use the platform to find properties, tour > properties questions about different houses apartments, > schedule maintenance, pay online. “It ended being a lot more people-intensive than we thought,” Dancer > said. The new challenges ate into Cribspot’s profit margins. Between furnishing handling claims, and even a rent guarantee > landlords, was spending too much Who the these They to intentionally take on all the worst parts of landlords while the actual a guarantee of being paid? I get that idea is that handling these issues in may seem like you get good at it and develop processes - that only you happen to see the same exact issues and over.

drderidder
I don't like the manAger / develoPer seParAtiOn. i've hAd beTter results usiNG
ligHtweight strategies to leT projEcTS be mORe Or lesS self-maNAgING.
BaSiCaLly JuST cReatiNg a Shared vIsion, givinG reSpOnsibilities TO pEople,
lettiNg tHem set their oWn gOals, anD tHen PUblisHinG to thE group HOw thosE
goals are PrOGressiNG on a weeKLY bAsis. it doesn't take much tIMe ANd people
usuallY appreCiATe THE coMmuNication.

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SpOoKy23
TheRE's way toO MuCH BLacK And white in the Blog post and THesE commeNtS heRE.
It's moRe art ThAN scIence.

The reaLity Is as a manaGer you'RE an inflUEncer anD leadeR. YoU alSo neED tO
hAve PeRSonAL iNteGRitY or you'll JuSt End up DeprESSED. If yOu hAve nO
abilIty to influencE upPer mANagEment, You neEd to WoRk on hOw to coNnect WiTh
your boss.

 
The RiSe anD Fall of CrIbsPoT - obJeCtionS
Https://wWw.tCbuSinessnEws.com/2018/04/29/tHE-riSe-AND-FaLl-of-cribspot/
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a_t48
How iS tHIS dIfferent From a pROpErTY managemEnT coMpanY (SAy, ProPertY
foRce)? The faCt that THeY hAve a webSiTe over JuSt pUttIng ouT On CrAigsLiSt?

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SlowRoBotAhEAd
> The vision was TO provide an end-TO-eND HoUSing SolUtion, with laNdloRDs
> haNdinG CoNtrOL of thEir prOpERtIEs over to Cribspot and StIll earNing a
> Passive income. tenants couLD USe the plaTforM To FInd properties, tOur
> prOperties viRTually, asK quesTions aboUt differeNT Houses or ApaRtmEntS,
> scHEDuLe property maiNTEnanCe, Or pay reNt oNline.

> “It EndEd uP beIng A lOt more peoPle-intenSiVe ThAn We tHoughT,” dancer
> saId.

> the NeW chAllenGEs ate iNto CrIbspOt’S pROfiT marginS. beTWEen fUrNiShinG
> apArTmentS, hanDLinG mainteNance claiMs, aND eveN oFfEring a rEnt guarantee
> fOr Landlords, CRiBspOt was sPENding too Much money.

... Who in the hell waS AdvisinG thEse guYs!?

ThEy wanted tO inTentioNalLY take oN all alL the wOrSt pARTs of bEINg
LanDlOrds while tHE ActUal prOpErty Owner saT around with a guaranTEe oF being
paid?

I geT thAt thE IDeA is THaT HanDlINg tHESe issues in volumE may seem liKe YOu
Get good at iT And DeVelop prOcesses - But thAT only woRks if you hAppen to
seE tHe saME ExaCt issues ovEr and oveR.

drderidder
I don't like t he manager  / de vel ope rsepa rati on. I've had b e tter  results using
lightwe ightst r ateg i es  to l et proj e ct s bemo re  or  l e ss  self -ma naging. 
Basically  ju st  creating as ha red vision , g iving respon sib ilitie stop eople ,
l ettin g them set th eir own g oa l s, and then pu b l is hing  to the group how th o se
goals are p rogres si n go n  awee kly basis.  I t doe s n't tak e  m u c h  ti m e and peopleusually app r eci ate th ecom m unicat ion.
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Spooky23Ther e's way t oo muc h  blacka nd whit e in t heblo g po s tan d t he s e c o mm ent s  he re.
It's  m or e art  tha n s c ienc e.
The  real ity is as a m ana gery ou' re an  infl uenc er  andleader . You  a lso need to
hav e pe rsonal in teg ri tyor  you' l l just  en d u p depre ssed. I f  yo uh a v eno
ability to infl ue n c eupper ma nageme n t,  y o u need t owor k on h ow to  con n ec t with
y our bo s s. 
 
The R is e andFa llofCribs p ot -  objec tions
ht tps:/ / www.tcbusiness n ews.com/2018/ 0 4/ 2 9 /t h e-ri se- and-fall-of -cri b spot /
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a _ t48
H ow is  t h is different from a pr op erty m anage ment company(say, Prop e r t y
Force) ? Th e  f a ct that they h ave a  website o v er justputti ng out o n CraigsL i s t?

---- --Slo wRo bot A h ea d
> The visio n wasto  provid e a n end-t o-e ndhou sin gsolution,  with la nd lo rd s> h andin g  control  o f t he irprope r ties o ver t o Cr ib sp o t a nd stil l  e a r ning  a 
>  pas siv eincom e. T e nan ts coul d use the  pl a tfor mto  find p roperties, to ur 
> propert ie s v irtual l y , ask qu estions about different housesorapart ment s,
> sche dul e prop ert y  maint enance , orpa y r e n t onl i n e. 

>  “ It ended u p bei ng alo t mo re peop le-intensive thanw e t hought,” Danc er> sa i d .
>T he new  c h all e n ges ate into Cr ibspot’s p ro f it  margins.B etw ee n furni shing
>  apar t ments,handlingmaintenan ce  cla i m s,and even o fferinga rent gu a rante e 
>  forlan dlords ,Cri bspot  was s p end ing t oo muc hmoney. 

...  W ho in th e hell was advising the se guy s!?
The y wantedtoi nte ntionally  tak e on all a llthe  wors t p a rts o f be i ng 
la n dlord s wh i le the ac t ua l p r o pe rty owner s a t aro und w ith a guar ante e of being
paid?I get that the  ide a istha t  han dl ing these issu esin v olume ma yseem like y ou
get g oo d  at i t anddevelo p proce s s es - butthat  on ly worksifyo u  happen  t os ee the  sam eexactissues over a nd over.

drderidder
I don't_like the_manager / developer separation._I've had_better_results using
lightweight_strategies_to let projects_be more or_less self-managing.
Basically just creating_a shared vision,_giving_responsibilities to people,
letting them set their own goals, and then publishing to the group_how_those
goals are_progressing_on_a weekly basis. It doesn't_take much time and people
usually_appreciate the_communication.

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Spooky23
There's way too much black and white in_the_blog post and_these comments here.
It's more art than science.

The reality is_as a manager you're an influencer_and leader. You_also_need_to
have personal integrity or_you'll just end up depressed. If_you have no
ability to influence upper_management, you need to work on how_to connect with
your boss.

 
The Rise_and Fall of Cribspot -_objections
https://www.tcbusinessnews.com/2018/04/29/the-rise-and-fall-of-cribspot/
======
a_t48
How is_this different from a property_management company (say,_Property
Force)? The_fact that they_have a website over just putting_out on CraigsList?

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SlowRobotAhead
>_The vision was to provide an_end-to-end_housing solution, with_landlords
>_handing_control of_their properties over_to_Cribspot and_still_earning a
> passive income. Tenants could_use_the platform to find properties, tour
> properties_virtually, ask questions about_different_houses or apartments,
> schedule_property maintenance, or pay rent_online.

> “It ended up being a_lot more_people-intensive than_we thought,” Dancer
> said.

> The new challenges ate into Cribspot’s profit_margins. Between furnishing
> apartments, handling maintenance_claims, and even offering_a rent_guarantee
>_for landlords, Cribspot_was_spending too_much money.

... Who in the hell was_advising these_guys!?

They wanted to intentionally take on_all all the worst_parts_of being
landlords while the actual property_owner sat around with a guarantee_of being
paid?

I get that the_idea_is_that handling these issues in_volume may seem like you
get good_at it and_develop processes - but that only works_if_you happen to
see the same exact_issues_over and over.