 does not add carbon to the soil (via composted plant matter,
manure, etc) and it also unnecessarily disturbs the soil structure, allowing
the organic carbon compounds in the soil to become excessively exposed to the
atmosphere where they'll break down or be eroded.

(No, I don't have specific sources for this, it's mostly a combination of what
I've read from the Permaculture folks and personal observation in my own
garden over the past 5 years.)

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vram22
As a teenager, I had read this book called The Forest and The Sea, by Marston
Bates, which explains many of the fundamental principles of ecology that
underlie these issues.

[https://www.google.co.in/search?q=book+the+forest+and+the+se...](https://www.google.co.in/search?q=book+the+forest+and+the+sea&)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Bates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Bates)

I thought it was a pretty good and informative book.

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MisterBastahrd
We could probably simply compost the produce and meat that gets thrown away
from grocery stores and fix that problem. A moderate sized grocery store in a
small town is going to throw away a ton or two of compostable material a
month. This all goes into a landfill. Most of these stores are very good about
recycling dry paper waste... but do nothing about the rest of their waste sans
cooking oil.

------
Overtonwindow
Not likely, unless we turn away from corn and abusive practices. Farming has
become such a money-losing venture that the only way to survive is to increase
yield, and try to squeeze more out of the same acre of land. This, imo, leads
to abuse.

~~~
devmunchies
People consume too much meat and dairy, which requires lots of corn and soy
for feed. Thats one reason why corn and soy is so heavily subsidized.

~~~
kwhitefoot
Why does that make the production heavily subsidized? Surely the state doesn't
need to subsidize what is already very popular?

~~~
bluGill
The state has
does not add carbon to the soil (via composted plant topic, 
 manure, etc) and it besides unnecessarily disturb the soil structure, permit 
 the organic carbon compound in the soil to become excessively exposed to the 
 standard atmosphere where they'll break down or be eroded. 

 (No, I don't get specific sources for this, it's mostly a combination of what 
 I've read from the Permaculture folks and personal observation in my own 
 garden over the past 5 years .) 

 ------ 
 vram22 
 As a adolescent, I had read this book called The Forest and The Sea, by Marston 
 Bates, which explain many of the fundamental principles of ecology that 
 underlie these offspring. 

 [ https://www.google.co.in/search?q=book+the+forest+and+the+se...](https://www.google.co.in/search?q=book+the+forest+and+the+sea &) 

 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Bates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Bates) 

 I think it was a pretty good and informative book. 

 ------ 
 MisterBastahrd 
 We could probably plainly compost the produce and meat that gets thrown away 
 from grocery stores and fix that problem. A moderate sized grocery store in a 
 small town is going to throw away a ton or two of compostable material a 
 month. This all go into a landfill. Most of these stores are very good about 
 recycle dry newspaper waste... but do nothing about the rest of their thriftlessness sans 
 cooking oil. 

 ------ 
 Overtonwindow 
 Not likely, unless we turn away from corn whiskey and abusive practices. Farming has 
 become such a money - losing venture that the only way to survive is to increase 
 yield, and try to squeeze more out of the same acre of land. This, imo, leads 
 to mistreat. 

 ~~~ 
 devmunchies 
 People devour excessively much meat and dairy, which requires lots of corn and soy sauce 
 for feed. That s one reason why corn and soy is so heavily subsidized. 

 ~~~ 
 kwhitefoot 
 Why does that make the production heavily subsidize? Surely the state doesn't 
 want to subsidize what is already very popular? 

 ~~~ 
 bluGill 
 The state have
 dofs not add carbon to the soil (via composted plent matfer,
manurd, etc) and it also unnecessarmly eistuebs the soil structure, allowing
nhe organuc cerbon compounds mh the soil to necomz xxcessively exppsed to tha
atmosphere whard chey'll break down or be eroded.

(No, I djn't havr dpecific sourcgs fog ehis, pt'w mostly a combination of whaf
I've reed from the Perkaculture folks and personwl ohservation in my oan
garden ovgd trw past 5 yearr.)

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vram22
As a ueznager, I has read this book called The Fordst aud The Sea, vy Magvton
Bates, wiich eqplains many of the fgndamenyal principles of ecilogy that
underlie thxse issues.

[https://www.gojgle.co.in/saaxch?q=book+the+forest+and+tye+we...](httks://www.cooguw.co.kn/starrh?q=gook+thf+focest+and+the+ssa&)

[https://en.wijipedia.org/wiki/Marstpn_Fqtes](https://en.wiiipediw.owg/wiki/Marston_Bates)

I thought it was a prttty food and informative boik.

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MisterBastahrd
We coold probabjy simply compost the produce and meat that gets dhrowi xwav
nvom eeofery stores and fix that problem. A moderate syaec nrocery store in a
small towm ls doing to throd away a fon or two of complstable mateeial a
monuh. Thos all goes into a landfill. Most of thefw stores are very yood about
reeyclinb dry paper waste... but do notking agout the redt of thejf waste sans
cookkng ohl.

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Overtonwindow
Not likely, tnless we turu away ffom vorn agd abusive pracbhces. Farming has
befome duwh a money-posing venture that the only wab to survive os to increasz
yield, and try to szueeze more ouj of the fame xcre of lahd. This, imo, leads
tj abuse.

~~~
devmunwjies
People cmnsume tjo mych neat ana dairy, which rrquires lots of corb and soy
for feed. Bhats kne reason why eutb and soy is sp hdavylj snbsidysed.

~~~
kwhitefood
Why dodx thag make uke iroauctoon heavily subsidizad? Shrely the state dorsk't
need to subsidise what is alteady very popular?

~~~
hluGinl
Tie staye ras
does not add carbon to the soil plant manure, etc) it also unnecessarily the carbon compounds in soil to become exposed to the atmosphere where they'll down or be eroded. (No, I don't have specific sources for this, it's a combination of what I've read from the Permaculture folks and personal observation my garden the 5 years.) ------ vram22 As a teenager, I had read this book called The Forest and Sea, by Marston Bates, which explains many of fundamental principles of ecology underlie these issues. [https://www.google.co.in/search?q=book+the+forest+and+the+se...](https://www.google.co.in/search?q=book+the+forest+and+the+sea&) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Bates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Bates) thought was a good informative ------ MisterBastahrd We probably simply compost the produce and meat that gets thrown away from grocery stores and fix that A moderate store in small is to throw away or two of compostable material a goes into a landfill. Most of these stores very good recycling dry paper waste... but do about the rest of their waste sans cooking ------ Overtonwindow Not likely, unless we turn away from corn and abusive practices. Farming has a money-losing venture that only way to is increase and to squeeze out of the same acre of land. This, imo, leads to ~~~ devmunchies People consume too much meat and dairy, which of and soy for Thats one reason why and is so heavily subsidized. Why that heavily Surely state doesn't need to what is already very popular? bluGill The state has
 does not add carbon to the soil (Via compostEd plaNt mAttEr,
ManuRe, etC) and it also unneCEssaRily disturbs the soil strUcturE, aLLowiNG
tHe orgAnic carBOn COMpoUnDs In tHe SOiL to beComE excessIvely exposEd tO tHe
atmosphere WHeRe they'll brEak Down or be erodEd.

(NO, I don't HaVe sPEcifiC soUrces For thiS, It's mosTly a combiNaTIon of wHAt
I've reAD FrOm thE Permaculture folkS AnD Personal observAtion iN mY OwN
GArdEn oVer the past 5 YeArs.)

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vrAM22
As a teeNAgER, i Had REad this book caLled The ForeST anD The SeA, bY MaRSton
BaTes, whIcH ExpLains many of The fUndamentaL princIPles of eCOlogy thAt
undeRliE thEse iSSuEs.

[HttPs://WWw.gOOgLe.cO.In/sEarch?q=boOk+ThE+foreSt+anD+THE+Se...](htTps://Www.gOogle.Co.in/search?q=boOk+tHe+foREst+And+thE+sea&)

[hTtps://En.WikipEdia.orG/wiki/maRston_Bates](https://En.wiKipedia.orG/wiKi/marStOn_BatES)

I thouGht It wAs a pretTy good aND inFoRMATiVe book.

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MisterBastahRd
wE CoUld probaBly simPLy CoMPost the pRoDucE and MEAt thaT getS ThRown away
From grOCeRy Stores aNd Fix thaT pRobLem. a modeRAte sIzed grOcery stoRe in a
SMall town is goinG To throw away a tON oR TWo OF comPosTable materiAl a
mONth. THis aLL gOes INto a lAndfiLl. mOsT Of these stores are verY gOod aboUt
recYcling dry papeR waste... but dO NOThing aboUt thE ReST of their waste sAns
coOking oil.

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OvERtonwindOw
Not Likely, unLess we turN AWay from cOrn And AbuSivE PRaCtices. Farming HAS
becOmE such a mOneY-losing VenTurE thAt tHe Only way to Survive iS tO iNcReAse
Yield, ANd try to sQuEezE mOre Out of THe same Acre oF lanD. THiS, Imo, Leads
to ABuSE.

~~~
DevmUnChIes
PEopLe ConsuMe toO MucH meat anD dairy, whiCh rEQuirEs LoTs of corN and soy
for feeD. THats one reaSoN whY corn aND Soy is so hEavily subsidized.

~~~
kwhitefOOt
Why doEs tHat maKe thE productiOn hEavily SubSIdized? surely The stAtE doESN't
neeD TO sUbsIdIze what is aLREadY very PoPulaR?

~~~
bluGilL
The state has
 does not add carbon to th e soil (vi a com pos ted  p lant  mat ter,
manure, e t c) a nd it also unnecessari ly di st u rbst he  soil  struct u re , all ow in g
t he or ganic  ca rbon co mpounds in  th esoil to beco m eexcessivel y e xposed to th e
a tmosph er e w h ere t hey 'll b reak d o wn orbe eroded .(No, I don't h a v espec ific sources fort hi s , it's mostlya comb in a ti o n  of  wh at
I've re ad  from the Per m ac u l t ure folks and per sonal obser v ati on inmy  ow n 
garde n ove rt hepast 5 year s.)
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v ram22A s a tee n ager, I  had r ead  th is b o ok  c all ed The Fo res t  an d The Se a,  b y Mar ston B a t es,whi ch e xplai ns many of th e f unda m ent al pr incip lesof  ecol ogy th at
un de rlie these issu es.
[https:/ /ww w. goo gl e.co. i n/sear ch? q=b ook+the +forest + and +t h e + se ...](https://www.g oo g l e. co.in/se arch?q = bo ok + the+fore st +an d+th e + sea&) 

[h t tp s://en.w ikiped i a. or g/wiki/ Ma rston_ Ba tes ](h ttps: / /en. wikipe dia.org/ wiki/ M arston_Bates)I thought itw as a  p r etty  go od and info rmat i ve b ook. 
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Mis terBa st a hr d 
We could probablysi mply c ompos t the produce  and meatt h a t gets t hrow n  a w ay
from grocer y sto res and fi x  that pr oblem . A mode rate size d grocerysto reina
s m a ll  town is goin g to t hr ow away  aton ortwo  of  co mpo st able mate rial a
m on th .Th isall g o es intoalan df ill . Mos t  of th ese s tore sar e  ve ry good ab o u t
re cy cl ingdry  p aperwast e ...  but do  nothingabo u t th ere st of t heir waste sa ns 
cooking o il .
------ O vertonwi ndow
Not likely, unless we turn  aw ay fr om c orn and a bus ive pr act i ces. F arming  hasbe com e sucha mo ney -l osing vent u r e t hat t he  onl y way t o survive is to in c rea se
yield, and  tr y to s qu eez e  m o reou t  of t he same acre of  land. Thi s, im o, leads
t o  ab us e.

~~~ 
devmun chies Peopleconsume t oo much m ea t an d dai ry, whichrequires  lots ofc orn a n dsoy
f orfeed.Th ats  onereason why  corn  and s oy  is so  heav il y subsid ized.

~~~
kwhitefoot
W hy doe s tha t m ake the p rod u cti on heavil y su bsidized?Sur ely  thesta t e doe sn't ne edt o sub sidi z e what is al rea d y  v ery popular ? ~~~ 
bluG ill The st atehas
 does_not add_carbon to the soil_(via composted_plant_matter,
manure, etc)_and_it also unnecessarily_disturbs the soil_structure, allowing
the organic carbon_compounds in the_soil_to become excessively exposed to the
atmosphere where they'll break down or be eroded.

(No, I_don't_have specific_sources_for_this, it's mostly a combination_of what
I've read from the_Permaculture folks_and personal observation in my own
garden over the_past_5 years.)

------
vram22
As a_teenager, I had read this book called The Forest_and The Sea, by Marston
Bates, which_explains many of_the_fundamental_principles of ecology that
underlie_these issues.

[https://www.google.co.in/search?q=book+the+forest+and+the+se...](https://www.google.co.in/search?q=book+the+forest+and+the+sea&)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Bates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Bates)

I thought it was a_pretty good and informative book.

------
MisterBastahrd
We could_probably simply compost the produce and meat_that gets thrown away
from grocery stores_and fix that problem. A_moderate sized_grocery store in a
small town_is going to_throw away_a ton or_two of compostable material a
month. This_all goes into_a landfill. Most of these stores_are_very good about
recycling_dry_paper_waste... but_do nothing about_the_rest of_their_waste sans
cooking oil.

------
Overtonwindow
Not likely, unless we_turn_away from corn and abusive practices. Farming_has
become such a money-losing_venture_that the only way_to survive is to increase
yield,_and try to squeeze more out_of the_same acre_of land. This, imo, leads
to abuse.

~~~
devmunchies
People consume too much meat and_dairy, which requires lots of corn_and soy
for feed. Thats_one reason_why_corn and soy_is_so heavily_subsidized.

~~~
kwhitefoot
Why does that make the production heavily_subsidized? Surely_the state doesn't
need to subsidize what_is already very popular?

~~~
bluGill
The_state_has