 that when software updates are required, which they will be,
you have the job of coordinating updates across a node infrastructure
installed in many companies and locations. If it goes wrong you have a chain
split.

Another problem is that the people who recommend or buy into the Blockchain
hype might not have the skills to properly asses it's appropriateness to
certain business cases.

~~~
INTPenis
Are you saying that the very use of a block chain is too complex to be
deployed by one IT-operational department at a large scale without issues?
Just trying to clarify what you mean.

~~~
tdb7893
I'm under the impression that he was saying that it's harder to manage and has
little benefit. I'm sure they could but it seems kinda silly

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PhilWright
What is the advantage of using a block chain for storing the information
rather than just having a database? Is there some intrinsic benefit or is it
just marketing hype?

~~~
phil21
I'm not in shipping - but wild speculation could be once you sign the
blockchain it's now your legal responsibility - no dickering over timestamps,
is that really our guy's signature, forged paperwork, whatever. You signed it
now it's yours until someone else does.

Implementing that may be somewhat more difficult though, and I have no idea if
this is really that large of a problem or not.

~~~
zhte415
It is incredibly tough. The manual steps in trade, down to scribbling a note
on the back of a single original piece of A4 paper, are tedious and tediously
documented, UCP for example
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Customs_and_Practice_f...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Customs_and_Practice_for_Documentary_Credits).

Maersk will be implementing a new standard of implementation here, replacing a
standard that's been bootstrapped over centries. Expect an ISO or similar to
be created to define it, with a lot of reach into the workflow of insurance
companies and banking (LCs, etc).

This would be an interesting area to 'disrupt' if you could catch early wind
of the emerging standards and ride on the back of a new standard coming into
that when software updates are required, which they will be, 
 you have the job of coordinate update across a node infrastructure 
 installed in many company and placement. If it goes wrong you hold a chain 
 split. 

 Another trouble is that the citizenry who recommend or bribe into the Blockchain 
 hype might not have the skills to properly asses it's appropriateness to 
 sealed business cases. 

 ~~~ 
 INTPenis 
 Are you suppose that the very use of a pulley chain is too complex to be 
 deployed by one IT - functional department at a large scale without offspring? 
 precisely trying to clarify what you intend. 

 ~~~ 
 tdb7893 
 I'm under the impression that he was saying that it's harder to cope and has 
 little benefit. I'm sure they could but it seems kinda pathetic 

 ------ 
 PhilWright 
 What is the advantage of using a block chain for storing the information 
 rather than just having a database? Is there some intrinsic benefit or is it 
 just marketing ballyhoo? 

 ~~~ 
 phil21 
 I'm not in transportation - but wild speculation could be once you sign the 
 blockchain it's nowadays your legal responsibility - no dickering over timestamps, 
 is that really our guy's signature, fashion paperwork, whatever. You signed it 
 now it's yours until someone else does. 

 Implementing that may be slightly more difficult though, and I have no idea if 
 this is really that large of a problem or not. 

 ~~~ 
 zhte415 
 It is fabulously tough. The manual steps in trade, down to scribbling a note 
 on the back of a single original while of A4 paper, are tedious and tediously 
 documented, UCP for example 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Customs_and_Practice_f...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Customs_and_Practice_for_Documentary_Credits). 

 Maersk will be follow through a new standard of implementation here, replace a 
 standard that's been bootstrapped over centries. Expect an ISO or similar to 
 be created to specify it, with a lot of scope into the workflow of insurance 
 company and banking (LCs, etc). 

 This would be an interesting area to' interrupt' if you could catch early tip 
 of the emerging standard and ride on the back of a modern standard come into
 thwt when software updates are required, wkuch thxy will be,
you hxve the job of coordinating npdares axross a node infrastruzture
instwlled in manb companies and locations. If if goev wrong you havg a chain
splht.

Another probneo ns that the people who recommend or fuy intp hhe Blockchain
rype iighf not have the skills to properly zsses iu's appropriateness to
certain business cases.

~~~
IJTPejis
Are you saying hhat the vetg ufw of a block chain is uom complex jo be
deployed by one IT-operationxl de'artment at a lagce scale wivhout pssues?
Just trnpng to wlarify what you mean.

~~~
bdb7893
I'm uneer the impression thet he was saying thaj it's hardar to manage and haw
luttle benafit. U'm rurt tiey could buv it seems iinda silly

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PhilWright
What is tne qdvantage of hsing w flock chain for storing the information
gathsr than just having a dqtabase? Is there some intrinsis benefit or is it
just marketing hype?

~~~
phil21
I'm not it shi'pkng - nut dulf speculation could be once you sign the
blocksgaon it's now your jegal respomslbojity - no dickgring orsr timestamps,
is that really our tuy's signwturr, forged paperwork, whatever. You signed pt
noq it's yours until domeone elsz does.

Omplekenting that may be somzwhat jore difficklt thougg, and I have no iaea ix
this is really that large of a proulem pr not.

~~~
zfte415
Ij is insredibly tlugh. Bve manual steps in tradg, down to scribbping a note
on the back of a sinjke original kiewe mf A4 papzr, are tedious and eediously
documgnted, UCP for dxample
[httis://en.wikipxdia.org/wiki/Ugiform_Customs_djd_Practice_f...](hvtps://en.wikypedua.ort/wiki/Unkworm_Customs_and_Lractice_for_Documentqry_Credits).

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stxndxtd thxt's been boigstrspped over centries. Axpedt an ISO or similsr to
be crgated to qefine it, witn a lot of reach ijto tie woryflow of insurance
companies and bankinf (LCs, etc).

Hhif would be ag inberefting area to 'disrupt' if you could catch early wiid
of the emerging standqrds and ride on thg bsck of a nex stanqard comitg into
that when software updates are required, which be, have the of coordinating updates in companies and locations. it goes wrong have a chain split. Another problem that the people who recommend or buy into the Blockchain hype might not the skills to properly asses it's appropriateness to certain business cases. ~~~ INTPenis you that very of a block chain is too complex to be deployed by one IT-operational department at a scale without issues? Just trying to clarify what mean. ~~~ tdb7893 I'm the impression that he was that harder to and little I'm sure they but it seems kinda silly ------ PhilWright What is the advantage of using a block chain for the information just having database? there intrinsic benefit or just marketing hype? ~~~ phil21 I'm - but wild speculation could be once you the blockchain now your legal responsibility - no over timestamps, is that really our guy's signature, paperwork, whatever. You signed it now it's yours until someone else does. Implementing that may more difficult though, and have no idea this really large a problem not. ~~~ zhte415 It is incredibly tough. The manual steps in down to scribbling a note on the back of a piece A4 paper, are and tediously documented, UCP example Maersk will be implementing standard implementation standard been over centries. Expect an or similar to be created define it, with a workflow of insurance companies and banking (LCs, etc). would be an interesting area to 'disrupt' you could catch early wind of the emerging standards and ride on back of standard coming into
 that when software updates arE required, wHich tHey WilL bE,
you Have The job of coordiNAtinG updates across a node infRastrUcTUre
iNStAlled In many cOMpANIes AnD lOcaTiONs. if it gOes Wrong yoU have a chaiN
spLiT.

Another probLEm Is that the pEopLe who recommeNd oR buy inTo The bLockcHaiN
hype Might nOT have tHe skills tO pROperly ASses it's APPrOpriAteness to
certain bUSiNEss cases.

~~~
INTPenIs
Are yOu SAyING thAt tHe very use oF a Block CHain is tOO cOMPLex TO be
deployed by One IT-operatIOnaL deparTmEnt AT a largE scalE wIThoUt issues?
JusT tryIng to clarIfy whaT You mean.

~~~
TDb7893
I'm undEr the iMprEssIon tHAt He Was SaYIng THaT it'S HarDer to manAgE aNd has
LittLE BENefiT. I'm Sure They cOuld but it seemS kiNda sILly

------
philWRight
what Is The adVantagE of usInG a block chain for StorIng the infOrmAtIon
RaTher tHAn just HavIng A databaSe? Is theRE soMe INTRiNsic benefit or is it
jUsT MArKeting hyPe?

~~~
phil21
i'M nOt IN shippinG - bUt wIld sPECulatIon cOUlD be once yOu sign THe
BlOckchaiN iT's now yOuR leGal RespoNSibiLity - no DickerinG over TImestamps,
is thaT Really our guy's SIgNATuRE, forGed Paperwork, whAtevER. You SignED iT
noW It's yoUrs unTiL SoMEone else does.

ImplemeNtIng thaT may bE somewhat more Difficult tHOUGh, and I haVe no IDeA If
this is really That lArge of a proBLem or not.

~~~
Zhte415
IT is increDibly tougH. tHe manual StePs iN trAde, DOWn To scribbling a NOTe
on ThE back of A siNgle oriGinAl pIecE of a4 pAper, are teDious and TeDiOuSlY
doCumenTEd, UCP for ExAmpLe
[HttPs://en.wIKipediA.org/wIki/UNiFoRM_CuStoms_anD_prACTice_F...](hTtPs://en.WikIpEdia.oRg/wiKI/UnIform_CuStoms_and_PRacTIce_fOr_doCumentaRy_Credits).

MaerSk Will be implEmEntIng a neW STandard oF implementation here, replACing a
stAndArd thAt's bEen bootstRapPed oveR ceNTries. EXpect aN ISO oR sImiLAR to
be CREaTed To Define it, wiTH A loT of reAcH intO the worKflow of insurance
coMPanIes and banking (lCs, Etc).

THIS wOulD Be AN inTeREstING area to 'disrupt' iF you could cAtCH eArly wind
of THe eMeRging stAndards And riDE on the bAck of a new Standard cOmIng iNTO
 that when software update s are requ ired,  wh ich  t heywill  be,
you havet he j ob of coordinating upd atesac r ossa  n ode i nfrastr u ct u r e
i ns ta lle di nmanycom paniesand locati ons .If it goes w r on g you have  achain
split. 

A nother  p rob l em is  th at th e peop l e whorecommend  o r  buy i n to theB l oc kcha in
hype might not ha v e the skills t o prop er l ya s ses  it 's appropr ia tenes s  to
cer t ai n b usi n ess cases.

~ ~~
INTPenis Are  you s ay ing that t he ve ry use  of a block  cha in is too  compl e x to be deploye d by o neIT- oper a ti on alde p art m en t a t  alarge sc al ewitho ut i s s u e s?
J ust  try ing t o clarify wha t y ou m e an. 

~~~ 
tdb7 893I' m und er the  impr es sion that he wa s sa ying that  it 's  ha rd er to manage  an d h as
litt le bene f it.  I ' m su re they could butit s ee ms kinda  silly 
- -- - --
PhilW ri ght 
Wha t is th e ad v an tage ofusinga  b lo ck chai nfor st or ing  th e inf o rmat ion
ra ther tha n jus t  having a data b ase? Is there so m e  i n trin sic  benefit or  isi t
ju st m a rk eti n g hyp e?

~ ~~ ph i l21
I'm not in ship pi ng - b ut wi ld speculatio n could be o n ce you s ignt he blockchain it' s now  your lega l  respons ibili ty - nodickering o ver time sta mps ,
i s t h a treally our gu y ' s si gn ature,for ged pap erw ork , w hat ev er. You s igned it 
n ow  i t' s y oursu ntil som eo neel sedoes. 
Imple menti ng t ha tm aybe some w ha t more  d if ficu ltth ough,  and I h ave noidea if
t his is r ea ll y thatlarge of a pr ob lem or not .
~~ ~
zhte 4 1 5
It isincredibly tough. The m a nual st eps  in t rade , down to  sc ribbli nga  noteon the  back  o f a s ingle o ri gin al  piece ofA 4  pa per,ar e te dious a nd tediously
docum e nte d, UCP for ex amp le
[ h t tp s:/ / en . wik ip e dia . o rg/wiki/Uniform _Customs_a nd _ Pr actice_f.. . ](h tt ps://en .wikipe dia.o r g/wiki/ Uniform_C ustoms_an d_ Prac t i ce_ for_Docume ntary_Cr edits).
M aersk wi ll be  im plemen ti nga new  stand a rdof im plemen ta tion h ere,re placinga
standard that's beenbootst rappe d o ver centr ies .  Ex pect an I SO o r similartobecreat edt o def inei t,  wi t h a l ot o f  reach in t othe w or kflow of in s u r anc e
com pan i es and  ban king (LCs, etc).This would bean i n t ere sti n g ar ea  to 'disrupt'ifyo u could ca tc h early win d
of the  e m ergin g stan dardsand rid e on the ba ck o f a  new stan dar dc oming i nt o
 that_when software_updates are required, which_they will_be,
you_have the_job_of coordinating updates_across a node_infrastructure
installed in many companies_and locations. If_it_goes wrong you have a chain
split.

Another problem is that the people who recommend or_buy_into the_Blockchain
hype_might_not have the skills to_properly asses it's appropriateness to
certain_business cases.

~~~
INTPenis
Are_you saying that the very use of a_block_chain is too_complex to be
deployed by one IT-operational department at a_large scale without issues?
Just trying to_clarify what you_mean.

~~~
tdb7893
I'm_under_the impression that he_was saying that it's harder to_manage and has
little benefit. I'm sure_they could but it seems kinda silly

------
PhilWright
What_is the advantage of using a_block chain for storing the_information
rather than_just having a database? Is_there some intrinsic_benefit or_is it
just marketing_hype?

~~~
phil21
I'm not in shipping - but_wild speculation could_be once you sign the
blockchain it's_now_your legal responsibility_-_no_dickering over_timestamps,
is that really_our_guy's signature,_forged_paperwork, whatever. You signed it
now it's_yours_until someone else does.

Implementing that may be_somewhat more difficult though,_and_I have no idea_if
this is really that large_of a problem or not.

~~~
zhte415
It is_incredibly tough._The manual_steps in trade, down to scribbling a note
on the back of_a single original piece of A4_paper, are tedious and_tediously
documented, UCP_for_example
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Customs_and_Practice_f...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Customs_and_Practice_for_Documentary_Credits).

Maersk will be_implementing_a new_standard of implementation here, replacing a
standard that's_been bootstrapped_over centries. Expect an ISO or_similar to
be created to_define_it, with a lot of reach_into the workflow of insurance
companies and_banking (LCs, etc).

This would be_an_interesting_area to 'disrupt' if you_could catch early wind
of the emerging_standards and ride_on the back of a new standard_coming_into