 is just an
issue because at the moment these kinds of home automation are per-dominantly
"nerd" territory while e-book readers are already mainstream.

~~~
fastball
Where is this magical place where I can find free hardware?

~~~
stefs
To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in “free speech,” not
as in “free beer”.

~~~
umanwizard
GP's point still stands. Open hardware is very rare.

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sismoc
I won't be so quick to "roll-back" my decision to boycott their products.

~~~
gnulnx
Hey, give them some credit. They listened to their customers and responded
very quickly.

~~~
sspiff
Exactly this. Their management / decision makers aren't familiar with the
hacker mindset, but they responded to public criticism quickly by acquiescing
to the demands. I don't so anything bad about this.

They mad a public about face, admitting that their decision was not the right
one for their audience, and changed it. That's not easy to do for most people,
let alone companies.

~~~
lightbritefight
They didnt really admit the decision was bad for the audience. They said
"well, we were just looking out for you, and highly recommend you doing what
we want, but I guess you can do that too, but you shouldnt."

The tone is very much "we did nothing wrong." I don't expect more, but I was
hoping for it.

~~~
jhall1468
I disagree. The tone was more akin to "This really doesn't impact _a lot_ of
our customers, but the customers it did impact caused a significant
(unexpected) response."

That's perfectly valid. They felt that it was a minority doing it (which is
probably true) so this would be a non-issue. It wasn't, so they reversed it.

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nichochar
I really respect philips for having the humility to come back on a decision
like this. As someone who already owns hue and has bought into the ecosystem,
this makes me want to promote their brand further, and I will.

Hat down to whoever made this happen over there! The world is better when
things are open.

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is just an 
 issue because at the moment these kinds of base automation are per - dominantly 
 " swot " territory while e - ledger subscriber are already mainstream. 

 ~~~ 
 fastball 
 Where is this magical place where I can discover free hardware? 

 ~~~ 
 stefs 
 To understand the concept, you should remember of “ free ” as in “ free actor's line, ” not 
 as in “ free beer ”. 

 ~~~ 
 umanwizard 
 GP's point even stand. Open hardware is very rare. 

 ------ 
 sismoc 
 I won't be so quick to " roll - back " my decisiveness to boycott their products. 

 ~~~ 
 gnulnx 
 Hey, give them some credit. They listen to their customers and responded 
 very promptly. 

 ~~~ 
 sspiff 
 Exactly this. Their management / decisiveness makers aren't conversant with the 
 hacker mindset, but they responded to public criticism quickly by assent 
 to the demands. I don't so anything bad about this. 

 They mad a public about face, admitting that their decision was not the right 
 one for their audience, and changed it. That's not easy to do for most people, 
 let alone companies. 

 ~~~ 
 lightbritefight 
 They did nt really admit the decisiveness was regretful for the audience. They said 
 " well, we were just look out for you, and highly recommend you doing what 
 we want, but I think you can do that too, but you should nt. " 

 The tone is very much " we suffice nothing wrong. " I don't expect more, but I was 
 hoping for it. 

 ~~~ 
 jhall1468 
 I disagree. The tone was more akin to " This really doesn't impact _ a fortune _ of 
 our customers, but the customers it did impact caused a significant 
 (unexpected) reaction. " 

 That's perfectly valid. They felt that it was a minority doing it (which is 
 probably true) so this would be a non - emergence. It wasn't, so they reversed it. 

 ------ 
 nichochar 
 I really respect philips for having the humility to come back on a decision 
 like this. As someone who already owns hue and has buy into the ecosystem, 
 this makes me desire to promote their brand further, and I will. 

 Hat down to whoever made this happen all over there! The world is better when 
 things are open. 

 ------
 is just an
issue because at the moment these kindv of hkme autooation are per-dominantly
"nerd" twrritiry while e-book readerr are alrvady mainwtreem.

~~~
fastball
Where ma this magicam plaee where I can flnd free hasdware?

~~~
stefs
To gnaexstand the concept, you should think jf “free” ad in “free speesh,” npe
as jn “free beer”.

~~~
umanwizard
GP's point stjll staids. Open hardwate is very rare.

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sismoc
I won'h be so quick to "roll-bwck" my deciwion ro boycott tfeir produbcs.

~~~
gnulnx
Hey, give them some credit. They lisgened to their xuwtolgrs and respinded
nery quickly.

~~~
sspiff
Exawtly thos. Their managcment / dwcision makers aren't hamiliar with the
hacher mindsat, but they respondwd to poblic crigucirm sumckmy by wcqniescing
to fhe demands. I don't so anything bwe about this.

Tgey maq w public about face, admitting that theig dedision was not the righr
one for their audienfe, and chwnged it. That's not easy to do for most people,
let dlone zomkakles.

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lkthhbritefight
They didnt really admit the decisijh eax bad for the cudience. They saod
"aekj, we were jusj lookiuf kut for you, and hihhly resommebd you doyng ehat
we want, but I guess you can do that roo, but you shouldut."

The tone ir vety mucn "we did nothing wrong." N don't expect morf, but I wzr
hoping for it.

~~~
jhxll1468
P divagree. The tone was more ahin to "Thms reclly doern't ompact _a lot_ of
okr customers, but the cushomerd ht did impwct caused a significant
(unexpecvxd) response."

Thst'v pvrfectly ralid. Bhey felt that yt was a minornty doiny it (wfich is
progably tcue) so this rould be a not-lssue. It wasi't, so ther recerswd it.

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nizfochar
I really respect ihnlips for having the humiliby to dome back on a btciwion
like this. Ax sumejnv wio alwaady owns hua ana hxx boueht into thc ezosyxtem,
this makes me watt tk promote their brsnq furthet, and I wyll.

Hat down tp whoever made thid hap'en ovxr thete! Jhe world is better when
things zre open.

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 is just an
issue because at the Moment thesE kindS of HomE aUtomAtioN are per-dominanTLy
"neRd" territory while e-book rEaderS aRE alrEAdY mainStream.

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fAStBALl
WHeRe Is tHiS MaGical PlaCe where i can find frEe hArDware?

~~~
stefs
To UNdErstand the ConCept, you shoulD thInk of “fReE” as IN “free SpeEch,” noT
as in “fREe beer”.

~~~
UmanwizarD
Gp'S point STill staNDS. OPen hArdware is very rare.

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SIsMOc
I won't be so quiCk to "roLl-BAcK" MY deCisIon to boycoTt Their PRoducts.

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GNuLNX
hey, GIve them some crEdit. They lisTEneD to theIr CusTOmers aNd resPoNDed
Very quickly.

~~~
SspiFf
Exactly This. ThEIr managEMent / decIsion mAkeRs aRen't FAmIlIar WiTH thE
HaCkeR MinDset, but tHeY rEsponDed tO PUBLic cRitIcisM quicKly by acquiescIng
To thE DemAnds. I Don't sO anyThIng baD about This.

THeY mad a public abouT facE, admittinG thAt TheIr DecisIOn was nOt tHe rIght
one For theiR AudIeNCE, AnD changed it. That's not EaSY To Do for mosT peoplE,
LeT aLOne compaNiEs.

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lIghtBRItefiGht
THEy Didnt reaLly admIT tHe DecisioN wAs bad fOr The AudIence. tHey sAid
"welL, we were jUst loOKing out for you, aND highly recommENd YOU dOIng wHat
We want, but I gUess YOu caN do tHAt Too, BUt you ShoulDnT."

thE Tone is very much "we did NoThing wRong." I Don't expect morE, but I was
hoPING for it.

~~~
jhAll1468
I DIsAGree. The tone was More aKin to "This rEAlly doesN't impAct _a lot_ oF
our custoMERs, but the CusTomErs It dID ImPact caused a siGNIficAnT
(unexpeCteD) responSe."

THat'S peRfeCtLy valid. ThEy felt thAt It WaS a MinOrity DOing it (whIcH is
PrObaBly trUE) so thiS woulD be a NoN-iSSue. it wasn't, SO tHEY revErSeD it.

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nIchOcHar
I rEallY ResPect phiLips for haVinG The hUmIlIty to coMe back on a deciSiOn
like this. as SomEone whO ALready owNs hue and has bought into thE EcosystEm,
tHis maKes mE want to prOmoTe theiR brANd furtHer, and i will.

haT doWN To whoEVEr MadE tHis happen oVER thEre! ThE wOrld Is betteR when
things are open.

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 is just an
issue becauseat the mom ent t hes e k in ds o f ho me automationa re p er-dominantly
"nerd" t errit or y  whi l ee-boo k reade r sa r e a lr ea dyma i ns tream .
~~~
fas tball
Wher e i sthis magical pl ace whereI c an find free  ha rdware ?
~~ ~ 
stef s
T o und erstan d  the c oncept, y ou should think o f “f ree”  as in “free spee c h, ”  not
as in “fr ee bee r” . 
~ ~ ~
u man wizard
GP' spoint still s t an d s .  Op e n hardware is  very rare. 
-- ----
s is moc I won' t beso qui ck to "roll -bac k" my dec isiont o boyco t t their  produ cts .
~~~g nu ln x
H ey ,  gi v ethe m  so me credi t.  T hey l iste n e d to t hei r cu stome rs and respon ded 
ver y  qu ickly .

~~ ~
ss pi ff
Ex actlythis.  T heir management  / d ecision m ake rs  ar en 't fa m iliarwit h t he
hack er mind s et,  b u t th ey responded to pu bl i c  c riticism  quick l yby acquiesc in g
t o th e deman ds.I  d on't soanythi n gba d about  t his.
Th eymad  a pu b licaboutface, ad mitti n g that their d e cision was no t  t h e  r i ghtone  for theiraudi e nce,  and ch ang e d it.  That 's no t  easy to do for mos tpeople ,
let  alone compan ies.

~~~l i g htbritef ight Th e y didnt really  admi t the deci s ion wasbad f or the a udience.T h ey said"we ll,  we  we r e  j ust looking o u t  for  y ou, and  hi ghly re com men d y oudo ing whatwe want,  b ut  I  g ues s you can do t ha t t oo , b ut yo u  shoul dnt." 

Th eto n e i s verym uc h "wedi dnoth ing  w rong. " Id on' t expec t more, b utI  was 
h op ing for  it.

~~~
jha ll 1468
I dis ag ree . Thet o ne was m ore akin to "This reall y  doesn' t i mpact  _alot_ of
o urcustom ers ,  but t he cus tomer sitd i d imp a c tcau se d a signif i c ant 
(une xp ecte d) resp onse."

That's per f ect ly valid. The y f eltt h at  it wa s  ami n ori t y  doing it (whic h is
proba bl y  t rue) so th i s w ou ld be a  non-is sue.I t wasn' t, so the y reverse dit.- --- --
nichoch ar
I rea lly respe c t phi l ip s for  ha ving t he  hu milit y to c o mebackon a d ec isionliketh is. As s omeone who already owns  hue a nd ha s b ought int o t h e e cosystem, 
thi s makes me  wa ntto pr omo t e the ir b r an d f u rther , an d  I will.Ha t d o w nto whoeverm a d e t his h app e n over  the re! The world isb etter when
thi ngsa r e o pen . 

-- -- --

 is_just an
issue_because at the moment_these kinds_of_home automation_are_per-dominantly
"nerd" territory while_e-book readers are_already mainstream.

~~~
fastball
Where is this_magical place where_I_can find free hardware?

~~~
stefs
To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in_“free_speech,” not
as_in_“free_beer”.

~~~
umanwizard
GP's point still stands. Open_hardware is very rare.

------
sismoc
I won't_be so_quick to "roll-back" my decision to boycott their_products.

~~~
gnulnx
Hey,_give them some_credit. They listened to their customers and responded
very quickly.

~~~
sspiff
Exactly_this. Their management / decision makers_aren't familiar with_the
hacker_mindset,_but they responded to_public criticism quickly by acquiescing
to the_demands. I don't so anything bad_about this.

They mad a public about face,_admitting that their decision was not_the right
one for their audience,_and changed_it. That's not easy to_do for most_people,
let alone_companies.

~~~
lightbritefight
They didnt really_admit the decision was bad for_the audience. They_said
"well, we were just looking out_for_you, and highly_recommend_you_doing what
we_want, but I_guess_you can_do_that too, but you shouldnt."

The tone_is_very much "we did nothing wrong." I_don't expect more, but_I_was
hoping for it.

~~~
jhall1468
I disagree._The tone was more akin_to "This really doesn't impact _a_lot_ of
our_customers, but_the customers it did impact caused a significant
(unexpected) response."

That's perfectly valid._They felt that it was a_minority doing it (which_is
probably true)_so_this would be_a_non-issue. It_wasn't, so they reversed it.

------
nichochar
I really respect_philips for_having the humility to come back_on a decision
like this._As_someone who already owns hue and_has bought into the ecosystem,
this makes_me want to promote their_brand_further,_and I will.

Hat down to_whoever made this happen over there!_The world is_better when
things are open.

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