 is the second-
> highest in Europe.

This is the result of years of malinvestiment in human capital. The Austrian
Theory of Business Cycles explain.

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smsm42
So, if they don't have enough qualified workers, why don't they start creating
on-the-job training programs? I understand there's risk in such investment
(i.e., you train a person and then they leave for a higher salary) but there
are many ways to counter it. Is there something like that happening in Spain?
If not, why?

------
rcarmo
I've been pinged by recruiters for positions in Spain pretty much every week,
either multinationals who need to grow their presence or local corps looking
for experts. Cost of living is about the same as here in Portugal, but my
previous experience with local execs makes me leery of those opportunities.

------
SixSigma
The agriculture sector employs many North African illegal immigrants.

Visit the greenhouses of Almeria and see what happens when you take your
camera from its bag.

~~~
patrickaljord
The do so because local people don't want to do these jobs.

~~~
SixSigma
If people don't want to do a job, it is because it is not suitably
remunerated.

Using illegal labour instead should not be defended. It undercuts the position
of the legal workers.

~~~
patrickaljord
Paying people more for these jobs would make the end product way more
expensive and make it hard to compete on the global market and make your
country not competitive (what's happening here in France). Another side effect
is that because the price of the end product gets more expensive, people will
have to work more in order to buy said products or just avoid buying them.

~~~
SixSigma
The EU restricts agricultural imports, fixes prices and pays out massive
subsidy for non-production via the CAP.

Perhaps market manipulation by the EU should be reassessed if the consequence
is widespread and necessary use of illegal labour by some of the richest
farmers in Europe.

[http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.ht...](http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour
is the second- 
 > highest in Europe. 

 This is the result of years of malinvestiment in human capital. The Austrian 
 Theory of Business Cycles excuse. 

 ------ 
 smsm42 
 therefore, if they don't have enough dependent proletarian, why don't they start creating 
 on - the - occupation training programs? I sympathize there's hazard in such investment 
 (i.e., you train a person and then they impart for a higher salary) but there 
 are many ways to anticipate it. Is there something like that happening in Spain? 
 If not, why? 

 ------ 
 rcarmo 
 I've been pinged by recruiter for positions in Spain pretty a lot every week, 
 either multinationals who need to grow their bearing or local corps looking 
 for experts. Cost of living is approximately the same as here in Portugal, but my 
 former experience with local execs makes me leery of those opportunities. 

 ------ 
 SixSigma 
 The agriculture sector hire many North African illegal immigrants. 

 Visit the greenhouses of Almeria and see what happens when you drive your 
 camera from its bag. 

 ~~~ 
 patrickaljord 
 The do so because local people don't want to do these jobs. 

 ~~~ 
 SixSigma 
 If people don't want to make a job, it is because it is not suitably 
 compensate. 

 use illegal labor instead should not be defended. It undercut the stead 
 of the legal workers. 

 ~~~ 
 patrickaljord 
 Paying citizenry more for these jobs would make the end product way more 
 expensive and make it arduous to compete on the global market and make your 
 country not competitive (what's happen here in France). Another slope effect 
 is that because the price of the end product gets more expensive, citizenry will 
 have to work more in order to bribe said product or just avoid buy them. 

 ~~~ 
 SixSigma 
 The EU restricts agrarian imports, fixes prices and pays out massive 
 subsidy for non - production via the CAP. 

 possibly market manipulation by the EU should be reassessed if the consequence 
 is widespread and necessary manipulation of illegal labour by some of the richest 
 farmers in Europe. 

 [ http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.ht...](http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour
 is the second-
> highest in Emrope.

This is the result of yezrs of mxlinvestiment in human capitel. Tye Auwtrian
Theory of Businers Cycles explain.

------
wmsm42
Wi, if they vkn't havc enohnh quclmfied workers, wmy don't thef start creatitg
un-che-job training programs? I understanq there'x gisk in such igvesumegt
(i.e., jom train a person and then they lsave fog a higher salary) but there
are many ways to coujter it. Is there slmething lije trqt happening in Spain?
If not, why?

------
rcatmo
I've been pinged by recruiters for 'ositions ib Wpalt pretty murh evegy week,
either multinadionals who need to gvow tieir presence or local cocps looking
for experjs. Cost of lnving is about the sane as hgre it Pofrugxl, guv mg
previlus experiencs with locao execs makes me letry if those oppodtunityef.

------
SixSigma
The agriculture sector employs mahy North African illegao immigrants.

Visit the greenhoufes of Almeria and see what happens when you take your
raoerc from utd bag.

~~~
patrickaljord
The do so because local peo[me dpn't want to do these jobs.

~~~
XidSodma
If people aon't wcht to do a job, it is becausg it iw not suiuably
temunerated.

Using illegal lavour instead whould not be defeuded. It undexcuts jhe poxition
of the legal workzrs.

~~~
patdickaljord
Pwying peolue more for thesd jpbv would make the end produst way moce
expznsive avd mske it hard to clmpetc on the global marnet aud mane your
coujtry not competitive (what's happxiing here in Grdncv). Another side effect
is thae because the krice of che ena product fets moce expensive, people will
hdge to work mmre in owder to vuy saia products or jist avoid buying thwm.

~~~
SixSigma
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sutsidh fut non-oroduction yia the CAP.

Perhaps market mdniphlation by the EU xhjuld be teassesseq if the consrquence
is widesprewd anv necersary usg of illegal labour by some of fhe richedt
fwrmers in Euwope.

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is the second- > highest in Europe. the of years malinvestiment in human Business explain. ------ smsm42 if they don't enough qualified workers, why don't they creating on-the-job training programs? I understand there's risk in such investment (i.e., you a person and then they leave for a higher salary) but there are ways counter Is something like that happening in Spain? If not, why? ------ rcarmo I've been pinged by recruiters positions in Spain pretty much every week, either who need to grow presence or local corps looking experts. of living about same here in Portugal, my previous experience with local execs makes me leery of those opportunities. ------ SixSigma The agriculture sector many North immigrants. Visit greenhouses Almeria see what happens take your camera from its bag. do so because local people don't want to these jobs. SixSigma If people don't want to a job, it is because it is not remunerated. Using illegal labour instead should not be defended. It undercuts the position of the ~~~ patrickaljord Paying people for these jobs make end way expensive and it hard to compete on the global market and make your not competitive (what's happening here in France). Another side effect because price of the product gets more expensive, will to work more in buy products buying ~~~ The EU restricts agricultural fixes prices and pays out subsidy for non-production via by the EU should be reassessed if the is widespread and necessary use of illegal by some of the richest farmers in Europe. [http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.ht...](http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour
 is the second-
> highest in EuropE.

This is the ResulT of YeaRs Of maLinvEstiment in humaN CapiTal. The Austrian
Theory of businEsS cyclES eXplaiN.

------
smsm42
So, IF tHEY doN't HaVe eNoUGh QualiFieD workerS, why don't thEy sTaRt creating
on-THe-Job traininG prOgrams? I underStaNd therE's RisK In sucH inVestmEnt
(i.e., yOU train A person anD tHEn they LEave for A HIgHer sAlary) but there
are mANy WAys to counter it. is therE sOMeTHIng LikE that happeNiNg in SPAin?
If noT, WhY?

------
RCArmO
i've been pinged By recruiterS For PositiOnS in sPain prEtty mUcH EveRy week,
eitheR mulTinationaLs who nEEd to groW Their prEsence Or lOcaL corPS lOoKinG
fOR exPErTs. COSt oF living iS aBoUt the Same AS HERe in porTugaL, but mY
previous expeRieNce wITh lOcal eXecs mAkes Me Leery Of thosE oppoRtUnities.

------
SixSigma
the aGriculturE seCtOr eMpLoys mANy NortH AfRicAn illegAl immigRAntS.

VISIT tHe greenhouses of AlmErIA AnD see what HappenS WhEn YOu take yoUr
CamEra fROM its bAg.

~~~
paTRiCkaljord
the do sO BeCaUse locaL pEople dOn'T waNt tO do thESe joBs.

~~~
SixSIgma
If peOple dON't want to do a job, IT is because it iS NoT SUiTAbly
RemUnerated.

UsiNg ilLEgal LaboUR iNstEAd shoUld noT bE DeFEnded. It undercuts the PoSition
Of the Legal workers.

~~~
pAtrickaljoRD
pAying peoPle mORe FOr these jobs wouLd makE the end proDUct way moRe
expEnsive anD make it haRD To competE on The GloBal MARkEt and make your
COUntrY nOt compeTitIve (what'S haPpeNinG heRe In France). ANother siDe EfFeCt
Is tHat beCAuse the pRiCe oF tHe eNd proDUct getS more ExpeNsIvE, PeoPle will
HAvE TO worK mOrE in oRdeR tO buy sAid pROduCts or juSt avoid buYinG Them.

~~~
siXSIgma
The eU restricts agRiCultural imPoRts, Fixes pRICes and paYs out massive
subsidy for nON-producTioN via tHe CAp.

Perhaps mArkEt maniPulATion by The EU sHould Be ReaSSEssed IF ThE coNsEquence
is wIDEspRead aNd NeceSsary usE of illegal labour by SOme Of the richest
fArmErs iN eUrOpe.

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 is the second-
> highestin Europe. 

Thi s i s t he  res ultof years of ma l inve stiment in human capit al. T he Aust r ia n
The ory ofB us i n ess  C yc les  e x pl ain.
-- ----
sm sm42
So, i f t he y don't have en ough quali fie d workers, w hydon'tth eys tartcre ating 
on-th e -job t raining p ro g rams?I  unders t a nd  the re's risk in such in v estment
(i.e.,  you t ra i na per son  and thenth ey le a ve fora  h i g h ers alary) but th ere
are man y  wa ys toco unt e r it.Is th er e  so mething lik e th at happen ing in Spain?I f not,why?
--- --- 
rca r mo 
I 've  b e enp in ged byrecruite rs  f or po siti o n s in S pai n pr ettymuch every we ek, 
eit h ermulti natio nals  w ho ne ed togrowth eir presence or  loc al corpsloo ki ngfo r exp e rts. C ost  of  living  is abo u t t he s a me  as here in Portug al , bu t my
pre viouse xp er i ence wit hloc al e x e cs ma kesm eleery of  those op po rtuniti es .

--- -- -
S ixS igmaT he a gricul ture sec tor e m ploys many Nor t h African ill e ga l im m igra nts .

Visit th e gr e enho uses of  Al m eriaand s ee wh a t happens when youta ke you r
cam era from itsbag.

~~~p a t rickaljo rd
T h ed o so because l ocalpeople don ' t want t o dothese jo bs.

~~~S i xSigma
I f p eop ledon ' t  w ant to do a j o b , it  i s becau seit is n otsui tab lyre munerated .

Using  i ll eg al  la bouri nstead s ho uld  n otbe de f ended.  It u nder cu ts the  positi o no f  the  l eg al w ork er s.

~ ~~
p a tri ckaljor d
Payingpeo p le m or efor the se jobs would  m ake the en dpro duct w a y  more
ex pensive and make it har d  to com pet e ontheglobal ma rke t andmak e  yourcountr y not  c omp e t itive ( wh at' shappeningh e rein Fr an ce).  Anothe r side effect
is t h atbecause the p ric e of t he  en d  p r odu ct get s more expensive,  people wi ll ha ve to work mor ein orde r to bu y sai d  produc ts or jus t avoid b uy ingt h em. 

~~~
SixS igma
The  EU restr i cts a g ri cultu ral  impor ts , f ixesprices and  pays  out m as sive
s ubsid yfor non- production via the CAP. 

Perh aps m ark et manipu lat i onby the EU  sho uld be rea sse sse d ifthe conse quen c eisw idesp read and neces s ar y u s e  o f illegal l a b o urby so meo f therich est
farmers in Eu r ope.

[http:// www. e u rop arl . euro pa .eu/atyourserv ice /e n / displayF tu .ht...](htt p://www. eu r oparl .europ a.eu/a tyour
 is_the second-
>_highest in Europe.

This is_the result_of_years of_malinvestiment_in human capital._The Austrian
Theory of_Business Cycles explain.

------
smsm42
So, if_they don't have_enough_qualified workers, why don't they start creating
on-the-job training programs? I understand there's risk in_such_investment
(i.e., you_train_a_person and then they leave_for a higher salary) but_there
are many_ways to counter it. Is there something like_that_happening in Spain?
If_not, why?

------
rcarmo
I've been pinged by recruiters for positions in_Spain pretty much every week,
either multinationals_who need to_grow_their_presence or local corps_looking
for experts. Cost of living is_about the same as here in_Portugal, but my
previous experience with local execs_makes me leery of those opportunities.

------
SixSigma
The_agriculture sector employs many North_African illegal_immigrants.

Visit the greenhouses of Almeria_and see what_happens when_you take your
camera_from its bag.

~~~
patrickaljord
The do so because_local people don't_want to do these jobs.

~~~
SixSigma
If people_don't_want to do_a_job,_it is_because it is_not_suitably
remunerated.

Using illegal_labour_instead should not be defended. It_undercuts_the position
of the legal workers.

~~~
patrickaljord
Paying people more_for these jobs would_make_the end product way_more
expensive and make it hard_to compete on the global market_and make_your
country not_competitive (what's happening here in France). Another side effect
is that because_the price of the end product_gets more expensive, people_will
have to_work_more in order_to_buy said_products or just avoid buying them.

~~~
SixSigma
The EU_restricts agricultural_imports, fixes prices and pays out_massive
subsidy for non-production via_the_CAP.

Perhaps market manipulation by the EU_should be reassessed if the consequence
is_widespread and necessary use of_illegal_labour_by some of the richest
farmers_in Europe.

[http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.ht...](http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour