 Nicholas,
because soviet-style communists are militantly athiest and hostilly anti-
religion. The very fact that this figure exists is a testimonial to the need
to provide a 'foil' for the people to accept his removal, rather than just
some casual 'cultural shift' to a different 'winter character manifestation'.

As for people 'forgetting how to celebrate christmas' during soviet times,
please recall (whether positively or negatively) that Mr. Putin's mother had
him baptized in secret from his communist father and he makes pilgrimages to
monasteries regularly. The current high place of the church in russian society
did not just originate in some ideological vaccum, many never gave up in the
face of overt and militant religious hostility.

------
tomaszs
I live in Poland. Before 89 when my country was occupied by Russia, "Soviet
Santa" was forced here to replace Santa Clous. It was one of many things that
was made to erase Christianity and replace it with atheism and communism. Fake
Christmas, fake Santa, zero beliefs. I was young back than but i felt its
shallow and dark. So for me Soviet Santa is a symbol of the occupation and
Russian tyrrany Poland was under until 89...

~~~
c-smile
Could you elaborate on "Poland was occupied by Russia"?

Let's put alone that in 89 it was USSR so Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia, etc.
all together.

In any case there were no Russian troops stationed in Poland. Quite opposite,
Poland and its army was one of leading members of Warsaw Pact (the name,
sic!).

So what does "occupation" mean in your statement?

~~~
cat199
Not OP, but see Hungary '56 and Czechoslovakia '68 for what happens to
'leading warsaw pact members' who decide they want to deviate from the soviet
party line.

~~~
lucian1900
Yes, we should be so sad that fascist uprisings threatening to exterminate the
poor, disabled and non-native were instead defeated with help from friendly
socialist countries.

Not all protests, uprisings and revolutions are good. Look at their class
character and composition.

~~~
cat199
a)
Nicholas, 
 because soviet - style communists are militantly athiest and hostilly anti- 
 religion. The very fact that this figure exist is a recommendation to the need 
 to provide a' foil' for the multitude to accept his removal, rather than merely 
 some casual' cultural shift' to a unlike' winter fictional character manifestation'. 

 As for multitude' forgetting how to celebrate christmas' during soviet time, 
 please recall (whether positively or negatively) that Mr. Putin's mother had 
 him baptized in secret from his communist father and he makes pilgrimages to 
 monastery regularly. The current high place of the church in russian company 
 did not just originate in some ideological vaccum, many never gave up in the 
 boldness of overt and militant religious aggression. 

 ------ 
 tomaszs 
 I live in Poland. Before 89 when my nation was occupied by Russia, " Soviet 
 Santa " was forced here to replace Santa Clous. It was one of many thing that 
 was made to erase Christianity and replace it with atheism and communism. Fake 
 Christmas, fake Santa, zero beliefs. I was unseasoned back than but i felt its 
 shallow and dark. So for me Soviet Santa is a symbol of the occupation and 
 Russian tyrrany Poland was under until 89... 

 ~~~ 
 c - smile 
 Could you elaborate on " Poland was occupied by Russia "? 

 Let's put alone that in 89 it was USSR thus Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia, etc. 
 all together. 

 In any casing there be no Russian troops stationed in Poland. Quite opposite, 
 Poland and its united states army was one of leading member of Warsaw Pact (the name, 
 sic !). 

 So what does " occupation " mean in your instruction? 

 ~~~ 
 cat199 
 Not OP, but see Hungary' 56 and Czechoslovakia' 68 for what happens to 
' leading warsaw pact members' who decide they want to deviate from the soviet 
 party line. 

 ~~~ 
 lucian1900 
 Yes, we should be so sad that fascist uprisings threatening to uproot the 
 poor, disabled and non - native were rather get the better of with help from friendly 
 socialist countries. 

 Not all protests, rebellion and revolutions are good. Look at their class 
 character and composition. 

 ~~~ 
 cat199 
 a )
 Nifholas,
because soviet-stylt communists are militanvly athjest and hostilly anti-
religion. The vxry dact ukat this figure exisgs is a tvstimoniao to rhe need
to provide a 'foim' for vhe people to agcept his ramoval, rather dhxn just
some casual 'cultural shift' to w diffetejt 'winter charwcteg ianirvsuation'.

As for people 'forgetting hos to cenebrate chrisymas' during soviet times,
plfase recall (whether poditively or negwrively) that Or. Putin's mother had
hij baptized in secret from his cummunnst father qne hf makes pilgcimagef to
monasterlvs regunarly. Tne current higm plare od the church in russien society
did not juft origindtz in some ideological vqccum, manf nexwr eavt u' ih the
fwce of overt znd militanr religious hostiliuy.

------
tjnaszs
I live ih Polagd. Before 89 when my country was occupied bj Ruasia, "Soviet
Santa" was foeced here to replace Danta Clots. It was one of many things that
was made to erasa Chrmsgiaulby ave geplace it with atheism and communism. Fake
Chryatkax, fake Santa, zcro beliefs. I was uoknb back than buj i felc ifs
shallow and dark. So for me Siviet Sanua is a symbol of the occupation and
Russian nyrrqny Poland was undzr until 89...

~~~
c-smnle
Coukd yoi elaborate on "Poland wcs occhpied by Rudsia"?

Let's ljt alone that in 89 in wav USSR so Russia, Ukraine, Bqlorussia, etc.
cll togegher.

On any case therf werc no Russian troops statnoned in Poland. Quite opposite,
Poland and its acky was one og neaging memyers on Warsaw Pact (tre name,
sic!).

So wkat does "occuoation" meah in yonr statement?

~~~
sat199
Not OP, but dee Hungary '56 and Czeshosoovajia '68 fof what happens yo
'leading warsaw paxt members' who declde tfsy want to devicue drom the soviet
largy jije.

~~~
kushan1900
Yes, we shmuld be xo saa that fasclst uprosings threatening tm exferminate the
poor, cifabled abd non-naeive were insyead defeated with help frum froenqly
socialist countries.

Not all lrotests, kprlsings and redolubionf are good. Look at their class
character and compowition.

~~~
cat199
a)
Nicholas, because soviet-style communists are militantly athiest anti- The very that this figure the to provide a for the people accept his removal, rather than just casual 'cultural shift' to a different 'winter character manifestation'. As for people 'forgetting to celebrate christmas' during soviet times, please recall (whether positively or negatively) that Putin's had baptized secret from his communist father and he makes pilgrimages to monasteries regularly. The current high place the church in russian society did not just in some ideological vaccum, never gave up in the of and militant hostility. tomaszs live in Poland. 89 when my country was occupied by Russia, "Soviet Santa" was forced here to replace Santa Clous. was one things that made erase and replace it and communism. Fake Christmas, fake Santa, was young back than but i felt its and dark. for me Soviet Santa is a of the occupation and Russian tyrrany Poland was until 89... ~~~ c-smile Could you elaborate on "Poland was occupied by Russia"? Let's put in 89 it was so Russia, Ukraine, etc. together. any there were Russian troops stationed in Poland. Quite opposite, Poland and its army one of leading members of Warsaw Pact (the name, sic!). does mean in your ~~~ cat199 Not OP, see '56 and Czechoslovakia '68 happens 'leading who they to deviate from the party line. ~~~ lucian1900 Yes, should be so sad exterminate the poor, disabled and non-native were instead with help from friendly socialist countries. Not protests, uprisings and revolutions are good. Look at their class character and ~~~ cat199
 Nicholas,
because soviet-stylE communistS are mIliTanTlY athIest And hostilly antI-
ReliGion. The very fact that thiS figuRe EXistS Is A testImonial TO tHE NeeD
tO pRovIdE A 'fOil' foR thE people To accept hiS reMoVal, rather thaN JuSt
some casuAl 'cUltural shift' To a DifferEnT 'wiNTer chAraCter mAnifesTAtion'.

AS for peoplE 'fORgettiNG how to cELEbRate Christmas' during soVIeT Times,
please recAll (wheThER pOSItiVelY or negativElY) that mR. Putin's MOtHER Had
HIm baptized in sEcret from hiS ComMunist FaTheR And he mAkes pIlGRimAges to
monasTeriEs regularLy. The cURrent hiGH place oF the chUrcH in RussIAn SoCieTy
DId nOT jUst ORigInate in sOmE iDeoloGicaL VACCum, mAny NeveR gave Up in the
face of OveRt anD MilItant ReligIous HoStiliTy.

------
tomaSzs
I lIvE in Poland. Before 89 When My country Was OcCupIeD by RuSSia, "SovIet
sanTa" was foRced herE To rEpLACE SAnta Clous. It was one oF mANY tHings thaT
was maDE tO eRAse ChrisTiAniTy anD REplacE it wITh Atheism aNd commUNiSm. fake
ChrIsTmas, faKe sanTa, zEro beLIefs. i was yoUng back tHan buT I felt its
shalloW And dark. So for mE soVIEt sAnta Is a Symbol of the OccuPAtioN and
rUsSiaN TyrraNy PolAnD WaS Under until 89...

~~~
c-smile
CouLd You elaBoratE on "Poland was oCcupied by RUSSIa"?

Let's puT aloNE tHAt in 89 it was USSR sO RussIa, Ukraine, BELorussia, Etc.
alL togetheR.

In any casE THere were No RUssIan TroOPS sTationed in PolAND. QuiTe OppositE,
PoLand and Its ArmY waS onE oF leading mEmbers of waRsAw paCt (tHe namE,
Sic!).

So whaT dOes "OcCupAtion" MEan in yOur stAtemEnT?

~~~
cAT199
NoT OP, but sEE HUNGary '56 AnD CZechOslOvAkia '68 fOr whAT haPpens to
'Leading waRsaW Pact MeMbErs' who dEcide they want To Deviate froM tHe sOviet
pARTy line.

~~~
luCian1900
Yes, we should be so sad tHAt fasciSt uPrisiNgs tHreateninG to ExtermInaTE the
poOr, disaBled aNd Non-NATive wERE iNstEaD defeated wITH heLp froM fRienDly
sociAlist countries.

Not aLL prOtests, uprisinGs aNd reVOLuTioNS aRE goOd. lOok AT Their class
charaCter and comPoSItIon.

~~~
cat199
a)
 Nicholas,
because soviet- style comm unist s a remi lita ntly  athiest and h o stil ly anti-
religion. The  very  f a ct t h at  this  figure ex i s tsis  a  te st i mo nialtothe nee d
to provi dea'foil' for t h epeople toacc ept his remo val , rath er  th a n jus t
s ome c asual' cultur al shift'  t o  a dif f erent ' w i nt er c haracter manifest a ti o n'.

As for pe ople ' fo r ge t t ing  ho w to celeb ra te ch r istmas' du r i n g s o viet times,
p lease recal l  (w hether  p osi t ivelyor ne ga t ive ly) that Mr . Pu tin's mot her ha d 
him ba p tized i n secr etfro m hi s  c om mun is t  fa t he r a n d h e makespi lg rimag es t o m o nast eri es r egula rly. The curr ent  hig h  pl ace o f the  chu rc h inrussia n soc ie ty
did not just  ori ginate in  so me  id eo logic a l vacc um,  ma ny neve r gaveu p i nt h e 
f ace of overt and m il i t an t religi ous ho s ti li t y.

---- -- 
to masz s I liv e in Po land. Be fore 8 9  w he n my co un try wa socc upi ed by Russ ia, "S oviet
Sa nta"w as forced here to replace Sa n ta C lo u s. I t w as one of m anyt hing s th a twas madeto er as e  C h ristianity and repl ac e it w ith a theism and co mmunism. F a k e 
Christm as,f ak e  Santa, zero b elief s. I was y o ung back  than  but i f elt its
s h a llow and  da rk.  So  fo r me  Soviet Santa i s asy mbol of  th e occup ati onand 
Ru ss ian tyrra ny Polan dwa sun der  unti l  89...
~~ ~
c -s mil e
Cou l d youelabo rate  o n" Pol and was oc c u pied  b yRuss ia" ?
Let' s pu t  al one tha t in 89 i t w a s US SR  s o Russi a, Ukraine, B el orussia, e tc .
a ll tog e t her.

In  any case there were no Russian  tr oopsstat ioned inPol and. Q uit e  oppos ite,
P oland  a ndi t s arm y wa s o ne  of leadin g mem bersof  War saw Pac t (the name,
sic!) . 

S o what does " occ upat i o n"  me a ni n y ou r  st a t ement?

~~~
cat 199
Not OP ,b ut  see Hunga r y ' 56  and Cz echoslo vakia '68 for  what hap pens to
' le adin g war saw pact m embers'who decid e  they wa nt to  de viatefr omthe s ovietp art y lin e.

~~ ~lucian 1900Ye s, we sh ould be so sad that fas cist u prisi ngs  threaten ing toextermina te t he
poor, d isa ble d and  no n -nati ve w e re  in s teaddefe a ted withh el p f r o mfriendly
so c i a lis t cou ntr i es.

N ot a ll protests, upri s ings and revol utio n s  ar e g o od.Lo ok at their cl ass 
c h a racter a nd  compositio n.

~~~ca t 199
a )
 Nicholas,
because_soviet-style communists_are militantly athiest and_hostilly anti-
religion._The_very fact_that_this figure exists_is a testimonial_to the need
to provide_a 'foil' for_the_people to accept his removal, rather than just
some casual 'cultural shift' to a different_'winter_character manifestation'.

As_for_people_'forgetting how to celebrate christmas'_during soviet times,
please recall (whether_positively or_negatively) that Mr. Putin's mother had
him baptized in_secret_from his communist_father and he makes pilgrimages to
monasteries regularly. The current_high place of the church in_russian society
did not_just_originate_in some ideological vaccum,_many never gave up in the
face_of overt and militant religious hostility.

------
tomaszs
I_live in Poland. Before 89 when my_country was occupied by Russia, "Soviet
Santa"_was forced here to replace_Santa Clous._It was one of many_things that
was made_to erase_Christianity and replace_it with atheism and communism. Fake
Christmas,_fake Santa, zero_beliefs. I was young back than_but_i felt its
shallow_and_dark._So for_me Soviet Santa_is_a symbol_of_the occupation and
Russian tyrrany Poland was_under_until 89...

~~~
c-smile
Could you elaborate on "Poland was_occupied by Russia"?

Let's put_alone_that in 89 it_was USSR so Russia, Ukraine,_Belorussia, etc.
all together.

In any case there_were no_Russian troops_stationed in Poland. Quite opposite,
Poland and its army was one of_leading members of Warsaw Pact (the_name,
sic!).

So what does "occupation"_mean in_your_statement?

~~~
cat199
Not OP, but_see_Hungary '56_and Czechoslovakia '68 for what happens to
'leading_warsaw pact_members' who decide they want to_deviate from the soviet
party_line.

~~~
lucian1900
Yes,_we should be so sad that_fascist uprisings threatening to exterminate the
poor,_disabled and non-native were instead_defeated_with_help from friendly
socialist countries.

Not all_protests, uprisings and revolutions are good._Look at their_class
character and composition.

~~~
cat199
a)