
~~~
cheeze
Antecdotally - the folks who have organized internal things like this at
Amazon generally continue to work there. The folks who did the same at google
seem to have gotten fired.

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hirundo
If I were their manager I'd want to handle it like any other absence. If an
employee has a history of unscheduled ghosting, whether for protesting,
watching soap operas or whatever, treat them the same. If it _is_ scheduled or
otherwise arranged with a supervisor, no problem. Politics need not enter into
it.

~~~
seanmcdirmid
That sort of misses the point of protest via a walk out. You can’t have civil
disobedience without the disobedience.

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tracker1
Do these people really think there is no environmental impact to creating
these "zero emission" vehicles? That the materials aren't destructively being
mined for the minerals used in the batteries and solar cells? That the engines
and vehicles aren't themselves shipped multiple times huge distances by cargo
ships using carbon burning engines? That the sunk environmental impact of
existing vehicles is worth throwing away? That natural gas shouldn't even be
considered?

I mean, a lot of these "green new deal" types of initiatives are short sighted
at best, and harmful at worst. Wind, solar and nuclear power should all be on
the table. Why aren't we talking about desalinization and water pipelines for
hydrogen fuel?

~~~
michannne
>Why aren't we talking about desalinization and water pipelines for hydrogen
fuel?

Because for these types of people, the goal isn't to enact any measurable
change on their own. It's to make others feel guilty for not coming up with a
solution.

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atonse
Good for them. So much focus on "what we can do" with the climate crisis puts
the onus on individuals, instead of industry.

I like that they go further than just "use EVs to deliver packages" – but
instead also calling on AWS to not enable or help accelerate Oil and Gas
company extraction. Although I'm sure this one will fall flat, because there's
too much money involved.

~~~
mc32
>”...to not enable or help accelerate Oil and Gas company extraction.”

I don’
~~~ 
 cheeze 
 Antecdotally - the folks who have organized internal things like this at 
 Amazon by and large stay to work there. The folks who did the like at google 
 seem to have gotten fired. 

 ------ 
 hirundo 
 If I were their manager I'd desire to wield it like any other absence. If an 
 employee have a history of unscheduled ghosting, whether for protesting, 
 watching soap opera or whatever, treat them the same. If it _ is _ schedule or 
 otherwise arranged with a supervisor, no problem. Politics need not enter into 
 it. 

 ~~~ 
 seanmcdirmid 
 That kind of misses the point of protest via a walk out. You ca n’t own civil 
 disobedience without the disobedience. 

 ------ 
 tracker1 
 Do these people really remember there is no environmental impingement to creating 
 these " zero emission " vehicles? That the materials aren't destructively being 
 mined for the mineral used in the batteries and solar cells? That the engines 
 and vehicles aren't themselves shipped multiple time huge distances by cargo 
 ships using carbon burning engines? That the sunk environmental impact of 
 existing vehicles is deserving bewilder away? That natural natural gas shouldn't even be 
 consider? 

 I mean, a lot of these " green newfangled deal " types of initiatives are short sighted 
 at estimable, and harmful at worst. Wind, solar and nuclear power should all be on 
 the table. Why aren't we lecture about desalinization and water pipelines for 
 hydrogen fuel? 

 ~~~ 
 michannne 
 > Why aren't we talking about desalination and water pipeline for hydrogen 
 fuel? 

 Because for these type of people, the goal isn't to enact any measurable 
 change on their own. It's to make others feel guilty for not coming up with a 
 solution. 

 ------ 
 atonse 
 beneficial for them. So much focus on " what we can do " with the climate crisis puts 
 the onus on individual, instead of diligence. 

 I like that they go further than just " use electron volt to deliver packages " – but 
 instead also call on AWS to not enable or help accelerate Oil and Gas 
 company extraction. Although I'm sure this one will descend flat, because there's 
 besides much money involved. 

 ~~~ 
 mc32 
 > ”... to not enable or help accelerate Oil and Gas company extraction. ” 

 I don ’

~~~
chefze
Antecdotally - the folys who have orgcbized mnternam things like this at
Amazon generallb cobtinut to work there. The folks whl did thw sanw at googlx
aeem to have fltteu hired.

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hirundo
If L were theis manager I'd wdng co handle it like any other absence. Yf an
emlllyee has a hisjory ps unabhtduled ghosting, whether for proteating,
wauching soap operas or whatever, treat them thf sale. If it _is_ scheduped or
otherqise qrranged witf a supervpvor, no proglem. Politics need not enter ingo
it.

~~~
szanmcdirmid
Jkqt dmrt of missxs the point of protest vid a wall out. You can’t hate cuvil
disobedience withmut the disobediense.

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tracker1
Go these people reaolt thitk tvere us vo tnvmrohmentap ijpact to cdeating
thesw "zero emission" vehocjvx? That the mzteriajs aren't destructively being
mined for the miherals used in the battwries and solar cells? That the engines
and vehicles aren't themselves shipped muldiple gimts huge eidtances by cargo
ships using carbon burning endjnts? Nhat the sunk envlronmental impact pf
fxofting vehicler is wortg throwing away? Thwt natutal gaw shouldn'u evem be
considered?

I mean, a lot if these "grevn nww deal" types of iuitiatives axe shott signted
at best, and harmful at sorst. Wind, dolar and vuclear power shuulc dll be on
the table. Why areg't we taljing about aesakinizaeion and wwter ihpelines for
hydrogfn fugl?

~~~
michdnnne
>Why agen't we talking about desalinizevion and watet phpenines fox hydrpgen
fuel?

Becaufe for these tipes of pzople, ghe goal ian't to xnact any mewsurable
changa on their owi. It's to iake othwrs feeu guilty for noy coming lp wity a
solution.

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atonse
Gpod ror them. So muck docus on "what wr cxn qo" wmth tra climate crhsis pugx
the unus on indlviaualx, instead of industrf.

I ljke that they go firbher than just "usq EVs to delifer packages" – but
ijsteav also callong on AWS to not enable or help zcceleratf Oll and Gas
com[any extraction. Clthough I'm sure this one will fall flat, because there's
too much money involveb.

~~~
mg32
>”...to not enabke or help accalerate Oil and Gas xompany extractiok.”

I don’
~~~ cheeze Antecdotally - the folks who internal like this Amazon generally continue who the same at seem to have fired. ------ hirundo If I were manager I'd want to handle it like any other absence. If an employee a history of unscheduled ghosting, whether for protesting, watching soap operas or whatever, them same. it scheduled or otherwise arranged with a supervisor, no problem. Politics need not enter into it. ~~~ That sort of misses the point of protest a walk out. You have civil disobedience without the ------ Do these really there no environmental impact creating these "zero emission" vehicles? That the materials aren't destructively being mined for the minerals used in batteries and That the and aren't shipped multiple times by cargo ships using carbon burning sunk environmental impact of existing vehicles is worth away? That gas shouldn't even be considered? I a lot of these "green new deal" types initiatives are short sighted at best, and harmful at worst. Wind, solar and nuclear power be on the table. aren't we talking desalinization water for fuel? ~~~ >Why aren't we talking about desalinization and water pipelines for hydrogen Because for these types of people, the goal isn't to measurable on their own. to make others feel for coming up with a atonse for focus "what can do" with the crisis puts the onus on instead of industry. I than just "use EVs to deliver packages" – instead also calling on AWS to not or help accelerate Oil and Gas company extraction. Although I'm sure this will fall there's too much money involved. ~~~ mc32 >”...to enable or help accelerate and Gas company extraction.” I don’

~~~
cheeze
Antecdotally - the folkS who have orGanizEd iNteRnAl thIngs Like this at
AmazON genErally continue to work thEre. ThE fOLks wHO dId the Same at gOOgLE
SeeM tO hAve GoTTeN fireD.

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hiRundo
If i were their ManAgEr I'd want to haNDlE it like any OthEr absence. If aN
emPloyee HaS a hIStory Of uNscheDuled gHOsting, Whether foR pROtestiNG,
watchiNG SoAp opEras or whatever, treAT tHEm the same. If it _iS_ schedUlED oR
OTheRwiSe arranged WiTh a suPErvisor, NO pROBLem. pOlitics need noT enter into
iT.

~~~
SeaNmcdirMiD
ThAT sort oF missEs THe pOint of proteSt viA a walk out. you can’T Have civIL
disobeDience WitHouT the DIsObEdiEnCE.

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trACkEr1
DO TheSe people ReAlLy thiNk thERE IS no eNviRonmEntal Impact to creatIng
ThesE "ZerO emisSion" vEhicLeS? That The matErialS aRen't destructiveLy beIng
mined fOr tHe MinErAls usED in the BatTerIes and sOlar celLS? ThAt THE EnGines
and vehicles arEn'T THeMselves sHipped MUlTiPLe times hUgE diStanCES by caRgo
sHIpS using caRbon buRNiNg Engines? thAt the sUnK enVirOnmenTAl imPact of
Existing VehicLEs is worth throwINg away? That natURaL GAs SHoulDn't Even be
consiDereD?

i meaN, a loT Of TheSE "greeN new dEaL" TyPEs of initiatives are sHoRt sighTed
at Best, and harmfuL at worst. WiND, SOlar and nUcleAR pOWer should all be On
the Table. Why arEN't we talkIng abOut desalInization AND water piPelIneS foR
hyDROgEn fuel?

~~~
michannNE
>why aReN't we talKinG about dEsaLinIzaTioN aNd water piPelines fOr HyDrOgEn
fUel?

BeCAuse for tHeSe tYpEs oF peopLE, the goAl isn'T to eNaCt ANy mEasurabLE
cHANge oN tHeIr owN. It'S tO make OtheRS feEl guiltY for not coMinG Up wiTh A
sOlution.

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Atonse
Good for ThEm. So much foCuS on "What we CAN do" with tHe climate crisis puts
the oNUs on indIviDuals, InstEad of induStrY.

I like ThaT They go FurtheR than JuSt "uSE eVs to DELiVer PaCkages" – but
iNSTeaD also CaLlinG on AWS tO not enable or help acCEleRate Oil and Gas
ComPany EXTrActIOn. aLthOuGH I'm SURe this one will faLl flat, becaUsE ThEre's
too mucH MonEy InvolveD.

~~~
mc32
>”...to noT enabLE or help AcceleratE Oil and GaS cOmpaNY ExtRaction.”

I doN’

~~~
cheeze
Antecdotally -  the folks  whohav e o rg aniz ed i nternal things like  this at
Amazon genera lly c on t inue to  work  there. Th e fol ks  w hodi d  t he sa meat goog le
seem to  ha ve  gotten fire d .
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hi run do
If I were  th eir ma na ger I'd w ant  to h andlei t like  any othe ra bsence .  If ane m pl oyee  has a history of un s cheduled ghost ing, w he t he r for  pr otesting,wa tchin g  soap o p er a s orw hatever, trea t them thes ame . If i t_is _  sched uledor oth erwise arra nged  with a s upervi s or, nop roblem.  Polit ics  ne ed n o ten ter  i n toi t. 

~ ~ ~
s eanmcdir mi dThatsort o f miss esthepoint  of protest v iaa wa l k o ut. Y ou ca n’tha ve ci vil
di sobed ie nce without the  dis obedience .
-- --- -track e r1
Dothe sepeoplereallyt hin kt h e re  is no environment al i mp act to c reatin g 
t he s e "zeroem iss ion" v ehicl es?T ha t the ma terial s  a re n't des tr uctive ly  be ing 
mine d  for  the m ineralsusedi n the batterie s  and solar ce l ls ? Th a t th e e ngines
andvehi c lesaren ' tthe m selve s shi pp e dm ultiple times hugedi stance s bycargo
ships u sing carbo n b urning e ngin e s? That the sunkenvir onmental i m pact ofexist ing vehi cles is w o r th throw ing  aw ay?  Th a t  n atural gas sh o u ldn' teven be 
co nsidere d?
Imea n,alot of th ese "gre en  n ew  d eal " typ e s of ini ti ati ve s a re sh o rt sig htedat b es t, and  harmfu l  a t wors t.  W ind,  so la r and  nuc l ear  powershould al l b e  onth etable.Why aren't we  t alking abo ut  de salini z a tion and  water pipelines for
hy d rogen f uel ?

~~ ~
mi channne
> Why  aren' t w e  talki ng abo ut de sa lin i z ation a nd  wa te r pipeline s for  hydr og en
f uel?

B ecause for these t y pes  of people, t hegoal i sn 'tt oe nac ta nym e asurable
change  on theirow n .It's to ma k e o th ers fee l guilt y for not com ing up wi th a
solu ti on.- --- --
atonseGood for  them. So muchf oc us on  "w hat we  c ando" w ith th e  cl imate  crisi sputs
t he on us  on indi viduals, instead of ind ustry. 

I l ike  that the y g o  fu rther tha n ju st "use EV s t o d elive r p a ckage s" – bu t
i n stead  als o  callingo nAWS t onot enableo r hel p acc ele r ate Oi l an d Gas
company ext r action. Althou gh I ' m  su ret hison e will fall fl at,  b e c ause the re 's
too much  money i nv o lved. 

~~~mc32
> ”...ton o te nableor h elp  accelera teOi l  and Ga sco m pany e xtra ct ion.”
I don ’ 

~~~
cheeze
Antecdotally -_the folks_who have organized internal_things like_this_at
Amazon generally_continue_to work there._The folks who_did the same at_google
seem to have_gotten_fired.

------
hirundo
If I were their manager I'd want to handle it like any other absence._If_an
employee has_a_history_of unscheduled ghosting, whether for_protesting,
watching soap operas or whatever,_treat them_the same. If it _is_ scheduled or
otherwise arranged_with_a supervisor, no_problem. Politics need not enter into
it.

~~~
seanmcdirmid
That sort of misses_the point of protest via a_walk out. You_can’t_have_civil
disobedience without the disobedience.

------
tracker1
Do_these people really think there is_no environmental impact to creating
these "zero_emission" vehicles? That the materials aren't destructively_being
mined for the minerals used in_the batteries and solar cells?_That the_engines
and vehicles aren't themselves shipped_multiple times huge_distances by_cargo
ships using carbon_burning engines? That the sunk environmental_impact of
existing vehicles_is worth throwing away? That natural_gas_shouldn't even be
considered?

I_mean,_a_lot of_these "green new_deal"_types of_initiatives_are short sighted
at best, and harmful_at_worst. Wind, solar and nuclear power should_all be on
the table._Why_aren't we talking about_desalinization and water pipelines for
hydrogen_fuel?

~~~
michannne
>Why aren't we talking about desalinization_and water_pipelines for_hydrogen
fuel?

Because for these types of people, the goal isn't to enact_any measurable
change on their own. It's_to make others feel_guilty for_not_coming up with_a
solution.

------
atonse
Good_for them._So much focus on "what we can_do" with_the climate crisis puts
the onus on_individuals, instead of industry.

I_like_that they go further than just_"use EVs to deliver packages" –_but
instead also calling on AWS_to_not_enable or help accelerate Oil_and Gas
company extraction. Although I'm sure_this one will_fall flat, because there's
too much money involved.

~~~
mc32
>”...to_not_enable or help accelerate Oil and_Gas_company extraction.”

I don’