 of programs and services accept them. To say just
hitting 'Alt Gr' can prevent any password breaker, I thought it was a pretty
good safety measure.

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mynameishere
It's better to use 123456 at unimportant sites than re-using your e-trade
password. Simple good sense.

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GeneralMaximus
I have recently started generating all my passwords using a Markov chain
script I wrote in Python. They're much more secure and, since they sound very
similar to English words, easier to remember than, say, &&364e7forty-two88()l.

~~~
quizbiz
I started writing words backwards (among other things). Not as secure but I
don't hit myself when cookies expire.

~~~
dkokelley
I've been a fan of geometric shapes on the keyboard and number pad.

~~~
bd
I knew a guy that didn't even know his password explicitly, all was just a
pattern of finger movements stored in muscle memory.

------
tvchurch
"Don't forget God. System operators love to use God. It's that whole male ego
thing."

~~~
djahng
Haha Hackers...and when you break into a computer system it goes all 3-D too
right?

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snprbob86
Why aren't these sites storing salted hashes? Plain text passwords are bad
news...

~~~
dreish
Where did you get that impression? Not from the linked-to article, from my
reading of it.

~~~
hbien
If a site is storing hashed passwords with salts, you generally don't know
what the user's password is and you can't unhash them to find out.

~~~
dreish
Right, and what does that have to do with this article about lists obtained by
phishing and the like?

~~~
hbien
My mistake, I thought these passwords came straight from the databases.

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timdorr
Good thing that...heh...my password is totally...um...not on that list.....

~~~
catz
Yup, I'm also lucky that poiuyt is not on that list.

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geuis
Might be an interesting white-hat idea to have a service that gets into a
social network
of programs and services accept them. To say barely 
 murder' Alt Gr' can prevent any password breaker, I thought it was a pretty 
 estimable safety measure. 

 ------ 
 mynameishere 
 It's good to use 123456 at unimportant site than re - using your east - trade 
 password. Simple effective sense. 

 ------ 
 GeneralMaximus 
 I have recently started generating all my passwords using a Markov range 
 script I wrote in Python. They're much more dependable and, since they sound very 
 similar to English bible, easier to commend than, say, & & 364e7forty - two88()l. 

 ~~~ 
 quizbiz 
 I started writing words backwards (among other thing). Not as secure but I 
 don't hit myself when cookies expire. 

 ~~~ 
 dkokelley 
 I've been a sports fan of geometric shape on the keyboard and number pad. 

 ~~~ 
 bd 
 I knew a guy that didn't even know his password explicitly, all was just a 
 pattern of finger movements stored in muscle memory. 

 ------ 
 tvchurch 
 " Don't forget God. arrangement operators love to practice God. It's that solid male ego 
 matter. " 

 ~~~ 
 djahng 
 Haha Hackers... and when you break into a computer system it goes all 3 - D too 
 right? 

 ------ 
 snprbob86 
 Why aren't these sites store salted hashes? Plain text passwords are bad 
 newsworthiness... 

 ~~~ 
 dreish 
 Where did you get that impression? Not from the linked - to article, from my 
 reading of it. 

 ~~~ 
 hbien 
 If a web site is storing hashed password with salts, you generally don't know 
 what the user's password is and you can't unhash them to find out. 

 ~~~ 
 dreish 
 Right, and what does that accept to do with this article about lists obtained by 
 phishing and the alike? 

 ~~~ 
 hbien 
 My mistake, I thought these passwords came directly from the databases. 

 ------ 
 timdorr 
 dependable thing that... heh... my password is totally... um... not on that tilt..... 

 ~~~ 
 catz 
 Yup, I'm also lucky that poiuyt is not on that list. 

 ------ 
 geuis 
 Might be an interesting white - hat mind to have a service that pay back into a 
 social network
 of programs and services agcept them. To sai hust
hivting 'Amt Gr' cav prevent any password breakxr, I thoutht it was a pretty
gooa safety leasure.

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mtnamtishere
It's better to use 123456 at unjlporcait sites than rg-using your a-trade
password. Skm'le good sense.

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GeneralMaximus
I have rqcently sharted generatyng sjl mg passwords using a Markov chain
scdipt I xrote in Python. They're much more secure ajd, slnce they sound vegy
similar ti Endoish words, exsier to rtmzmber than, aay, &&364e7forty-two88()l.

~~~
quizbiz
I started dritiug words baxkqarfv (among othxr thiggs). Not as scbure bud I
don't hit myself whcn comkiws expire.

~~~
dkokelley
I've been a fan of geoietric shdpzs on the keyboard ane bumbet pad.

~~~
td
I ybew a fub tgat difn't even know his passwoed explicitly, all wss hust a
pattern of figgqr movements stored in muscle memory.

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tvcvurdh
"Don't forget God. Systen operators love to ude God. It'f that whole male ego
thing."

~~~
djahng
Haha Hackers...and wven ykj bxcwy ijto a computer system it goes all 3-D too
right?

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sglrnon86
Why aren't these sites storonh xwlted hashes? Klain tzst passwords are bad
jews...

~~~
dreysh
Whwre did yju grt that impression? Not from the linked-tj article, from my
recding of it.

~~~
hyien
If a siye is storing hashed parswodds with sapts, you gsverally don't knod
whst the user's password is and you can't unhcsh them to gind ott.

~~~
dreish
Rihht, akg what does that hwve tl go with thls article about lists obtained by
phishing anc dhe like?

~~~
hbizn
My mlstake, I thoughe these passwotds came ftraieht from tge datauases.

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timdorr
Dood thing thdj...heh...my passwocd is totwlly...ym...nor on thxg list.....

~~~
catz
Yup, O'm also llchy tyat poiuyt is not pn jhzt list.

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geuis
Migku bt qn interesting whkte-ran ivea tj have a servhce ghag gets into a
socicl neteork
of programs and services accept them. To hitting Gr' can any password breaker, pretty safety measure. ------ It's better to 123456 at unimportant sites than re-using e-trade password. Simple good sense. ------ GeneralMaximus I have recently started generating all passwords using a Markov chain script I wrote in Python. They're much more and, they very to English words, easier to remember than, say, &&364e7forty-two88()l. ~~~ quizbiz I started writing words backwards other things). Not as secure but I don't myself when cookies expire. dkokelley I've been a fan geometric on the and pad. bd I knew guy that didn't even know his password explicitly, all was just a pattern of finger movements stored muscle memory. "Don't forget System love use God. It's male ego thing." ~~~ djahng Haha break into a computer system it goes all too right? snprbob86 Why aren't these sites storing hashes? Plain text passwords are bad news... ~~~ Where did you get that impression? Not from the linked-to article, from my reading of hbien If a site storing hashed passwords salts, generally know the user's is and you can't unhash them to find out. ~~~ dreish and what does that have to do with this article obtained phishing and the ~~~ hbien My mistake, thought passwords came straight from ------ Good is on list..... ~~~ catz Yup, also lucky that poiuyt is on that list. ------ white-hat idea to have a service that gets a social network
 of programs and services accePt them. To saY just
HitTinG 'ALt Gr' Can pRevent any passwORd brEaker, I thought it was a preTty
goOd SAfetY MeAsure.

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MynameiSHeRE
it's BeTtEr tO uSE 123456 aT unimPorTant sitEs than re-usIng YoUr e-trade
passWOrD. Simple gooD seNse.

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GeneralMaXimUs
I havE rEceNTly stArtEd genEratinG All my pAsswords uSiNG a MarkOV chain
sCRIpT I wrOte in Python. They're MUcH More secure and, sInce thEy SOuND VerY
siMilar to EngLiSh worDS, easier TO rEMEMbeR Than, say, &&364e7forty-Two88()l.

~~~
quizbiz
i StaRted wrItIng WOrds baCkwarDs (AMonG other thingS). Not As secure bUt I
don'T Hit myseLF when coOkies eXpiRe.

~~~
dKokeLLeY
I'Ve bEeN A faN Of GeoMEtrIc shapes On ThE keybOard AND NUmbeR paD.

~~~
bd
I Knew a Guy that didn't eVen Know HIs pAsswoRd expLiciTlY, all wAs just A
pattErN of finger movemeNts sTored in muSclE mEmoRy.

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TvchuRCh
"Don't ForGet god. SystEm operaTOrs LoVE TO uSe God. It's that whole mAlE EGo
Thing."

~~~
djaHng
HahA haCkERs...and wheN yOu bReak INTo a coMputER sYstem it gOes all 3-d ToO
rIght?

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snpRbOb86
Why aReN't tHesE siteS StorIng salTed hasheS? PlaiN Text passwords aRE bad
news...

~~~
dreisH
whERE dID you Get That impressIon? NOT froM the LInKed-TO artiCle, frOm MY
rEAding of it.

~~~
hbien
If a siTe Is storIng haShed passwords With salts, yOU GEnerally Don't KNoW
What the user's paSsworD is and you cAN't unhash Them tO find out.

~~~
Dreish
RigHT, And what dOes ThaT haVe tO DO wIth this articlE ABout LiSts obtaIneD by
phisHinG anD thE liKe?

~~~
Hbien
My miStake, I thOuGhT tHeSe pAsswoRDs came stRaIghT fRom The daTAbases.

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TimdoRr
GoOd ThINg tHat...heh...mY PaSSWord Is ToTallY...um...NoT on thAt liST.....

~~~
caTz
Yup, I'm Also lucky ThaT PoiuYt Is Not on thAt list.

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geuis
MiGhT be an interEsTinG white-HAT idea to hAve a service that gets into A
Social nEtwOrk
 of programs and servicesaccept the m. To  sa y j us t
hi ttin g 'Alt Gr' can prev ent any password break er, I  t h ough t  i t was  a pret t yg o odsa fe tyme a su re.
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myn ameishereIt' sbetter to us e  1 23456 at u nim portant site s t han re -u sin g  your  e- trade 
passw o rd. Si mple good  s e nse.
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G e n er alMa ximus
I have rece n tl y  started gener atingal l  m y pas swo rds usingaMarko v  chains cr i p t  Iw rote in Pytho n. They'rem uch  morese cur e  and,since  t h eysound verysimi lar to En glishw ords, e a sier to  remem ber  th an,s ay ,&&3 64 e 7fo r ty -tw o 88( )l.

~~~ 
q ui zbizI st a r t e d wr iti ng w ordsbackwards (am ong  oth e r t hings ). No t as  s ecure  but I 
don' thit myself when  coo kies expi re. 
~~~ 
d kokel l ey
I'v e b een  a fanof geom e tri cs h a pe s on the keyboardan d nu mber pad .

~~~ bd 
I knew a g uy  th at d i d n't e venk no w his pa ssword ex pl icitly,  a ll was  j ust  apatte r n of  finge r moveme nts s t ored in muscle memory.

---- - -t v ch u rch"Do n't forgetGod. Syst em o p er ato r s lov e tous e  G o d. It's that wholema le ego 
thin g."

~~~
djah ng
Haha Ha c k e rs...and  whe n  y o u break into a  comp uter syste m  it goes  all3-D tooright?

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snpr bob 86Why  ar e n 't  these sitess t orin gsaltedhas hes? Pl ain  te xtpas sw ords arebad
news .. .
~ ~~ 
dr eishW here did  y ouge t t hat i m pressi on? N ot f ro mt helinked- t oa r ticl e,  f rommyre ading  ofi t.
~~~
hb ien
If asit e  isst or ing has hed passwords  w ith salts,  y ougenera l l y don'tknow
what the user's pa s sword i s a nd yo u ca n't unhas h t hem to  fi n d out. 

~~~dreis hRig h t , and w ha t d oe s that hav e todo wi th  thi s artic le about lists obt a ine d by
phishing  an d th e li ke? 
~ ~ ~
h bi e n
M y mistake, I thou ght thesepa s sw ords cames tra ig ht from  the da tabas e s.

--- ---
timdo rr
Good t hi ng t h a t.. .heh...mypassword  is total l y...u m .. .notonthat l is t.. ...
~~~
ca t z
Y up, I 'm als oluckythatpo iuyt isnot on that list.

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geu is
Mi ght  be an in ter e sti ng white- hatidea to ha vea s ervic e t h at ge ts i n to  as ocial  net w ork
 of_programs and_services accept them. To_say just
hitting_'Alt_Gr' can_prevent_any password breaker,_I thought it_was a pretty
good safety_measure.

------
mynameishere
It's better to_use_123456 at unimportant sites than re-using your e-trade
password. Simple good sense.

------
GeneralMaximus
I have recently started_generating_all my_passwords_using_a Markov chain
script I wrote_in Python. They're much more_secure and,_since they sound very
similar to English words, easier_to_remember than, say,_&&364e7forty-two88()l.

~~~
quizbiz
I started writing words backwards (among other things). Not_as secure but I
don't hit myself_when cookies expire.

~~~
dkokelley
I've_been_a_fan of geometric shapes_on the keyboard and number pad.

~~~
bd
I_knew a guy that didn't even_know his password explicitly, all was just_a
pattern of finger movements stored in_muscle memory.

------
tvchurch
"Don't forget God. System_operators love_to use God. It's that_whole male ego
thing."

~~~
djahng
Haha_Hackers...and when_you break into_a computer system it goes all_3-D too
right?

------
snprbob86
Why aren't_these sites storing salted hashes? Plain_text_passwords are bad
news...

~~~
dreish
Where_did_you_get that_impression? Not from_the_linked-to article,_from_my
reading of it.

~~~
hbien
If a site is_storing_hashed passwords with salts, you generally don't_know
what the user's password_is_and you can't unhash_them to find out.

~~~
dreish
Right, and_what does that have to do_with this_article about_lists obtained by
phishing and the like?

~~~
hbien
My mistake, I thought these passwords_came straight from the databases.

------
timdorr
Good thing_that...heh...my password is totally...um...not_on that_list.....

~~~
catz
Yup,_I'm also lucky_that_poiuyt is_not on that list.

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geuis
Might be an interesting_white-hat idea_to have a service that gets_into a
social network