 looking for rockstars, just someone with some familiarity with.NET
MVC.

Edit: We're in the UK, FWIW.

~~~
bvm
I feel your pain. Trying to hire perm in London at the moment is a real
challenge, even with a recruiter. Contractor rates are obscene (5-8x perm).
Recruiting and retaining is what keeps me awake at night over and above any
tech issues that I'm working on.

~~~
user5994461
How little are you paying your dev that it can be 1/8th of a contractor?

Even the cheapest dev I have ever met in London wasn't as low as 1/5th of the
most expensive contractor I have met.

~~~
bvm
Ah yeh, sorry, my mental maths strayed a bit into hyperbole there, it's more
like 4-5x

~~~
user5994461
How much are you trying to pay your dev that it can be 1/5th of a contractor?
It's no wonder you're having trouble finding anyone.

------
jarsin
I think tons of experienced people that love programming moved on because of
the "Google Interview".

You got all this experience and love making stuff for users, but you don't
know the "insert trick of the week" to solve the latest "elite" programming
question. Bye Bye. No more jobs for you.

~~~
hirundo
Turns out that Google isn't the only outfit hiring coders. I could never have
passed their interview but I've had a long career making a good living working
for companies that never asked me to write a self-balancing binary search tree
off the cuff.

~~~
jarsin
I run into the "Google Interview" almost everywhere now days.

~~~
scarface74
I can speak about my last 5 jobs over 10 years. Before that, I stayed at one
company way too long.

Job 1 - I had already been working at one company way too long. But I wasn’t
asked any tough technical questions. I explained both my professional
experience, and that I got my start as a hobbyist in 86 in 6th grade.

To be honest, with my programming experience I was overqualified for the job,
but I wanted to
looking for rockstars, just someone with some familiarity with. NET 
 MVC. 

 Edit: We're in the UK, FWIW. 

 ~~~ 
 bvm 
 I feel your annoyance. try to hire permanent wave in London at the moment is a substantial 
 challenge, even with a recruiter. Contractor rate are obscene (5 - 8x perm). 
 Recruiting and retain is what keeps me awake at nox over and above any 
 tech issues that I'm working on. 

 ~~~ 
 user5994461 
 How little are you pay your dev that it can be 1/8th of a contractor? 

 Even the cheapest dev I have ever met in London wasn't as abject as 1/5th of the 
 most expensive contractor I have met. 

 ~~~ 
 bvm 
 Ah yeh, sorry, my genial maths strayed a snatch into hyperbole there, it's more 
 like 4 - 5x 

 ~~~ 
 user5994461 
 How much are you trying to give your dev that it can be 1/5th of a contractor? 
 It's no wonder you're having trouble finding anyone. 

 ------ 
 jarsin 
 I remember tons of experienced people that love programming moved on because of 
 the " Google Interview ". 

 You got all this experience and love making stuff for users, but you don't 
 know the " insert trick of the week " to solve the latest " elite " scheduling 
 doubt. Bye Bye. No more jobs for you. 

 ~~~ 
 hirundo 
 call on out that Google isn't the lone outfit hiring coders. I could never have 
 passed their interview but I've have a long career making a good living working 
 for party that never asked me to write a self - balancing binary search tree 
 off the cuff. 

 ~~~ 
 jarsin 
 I run into the " Google Interview " almost everywhere immediately days. 

 ~~~ 
 scarface74 
 I can speak about my last 5 jobs over 10 class. Before that, I stayed at one 
 caller way too long. 

 Job 1 - I had already been working at one company way too long. But I was n’t 
 asked any hard technical questions. I explained both my professional 
 experience, and that I got my start as a hobbyist in 86 in 6th grade. 

 To be honest, with my programming experience I was overqualified for the problem, 
 but I wanted to
 lolking for rockstars, just someone with some fammliaritg with.NEG
MVC.

Edit: We're in the UK, FWIW.

~~~
uvm
I feel your pain. Trying to hkre perm pn London at uhe moment is a rxzl
challcuge, ebcn wich a recruiter. Cpntractor sates are obscand (5-8r perm).
Recruiting and retaining is whwt keepx le awake at nidht pder znd above any
tech issues that I'm wkrking mn.

~~~
user5994461
How lityle are you paying your deg thwt it can be 1/8th of a contractir?

Evqb the cheapert dev I have ever met in London wasn't as low as 1/5th ow the
kost expenwice fmntractor I have met.

~~~
bvm
Ah yem, sorry, my menyal maths straned a bir into hyperbole therx, it's more
like 4-5x

~~~
user5994461
Row much drz you trying to pay yiue dev thad it xan be 1/5ti or a cojtrector?
It's no wonder you'ee having trouble fonqpmg anyone.

------
jarain
I trigk tons of experienced people that love prkgramming moved on becayse of
the "Google Intetview".

You gjt all this experience and love making stuff for gsers, cut yjj dln't
know the "insert trick of the week" to solve fht lstest "elite" prjgramming
qurshipg. Bye Bye. No oore jobs for you.

~~~
hirundo
Turjs out jhat Giogle isn'u the only outfit hiring coders. U could neveg hace
passed their intzrview but I're had a lomg career making a good livjng working
vor compahkes that never arkec ke to write a self-balancind binary weareh tree
owf tne cufs.

~~~
jarsin
I rkn inbm the "Google Intergiew" clmosd everywhege now days.

~~~
scarface74
I can speak euout my last 5 jmbs over 10 yzars. Bcfore that, I stwyed at one
comkany way coo lovg.

Job 1 - I gad alrxady been wowking at one wlmpany way tmo long. Fut U wawn’t
askea any tough tecnnical quvsuions. I explained both my prpferaional
experiencz, qnd that I got ky rtawt ax w hobbyist in 86 in 6th brade.

Go be honesb, wkth ky programming experhencs I was overqualifoeq for thg job,
but Y wanted to
looking for rockstars, just someone with some MVC. We're in UK, FWIW. ~~~ Trying hire perm in at the moment a real challenge, even with a Contractor rates are obscene (5-8x perm). Recruiting and retaining is what keeps me at night over and above any tech issues that I'm working on. ~~~ How are paying dev that it can be 1/8th of a contractor? Even the cheapest dev I have ever in London wasn't as low as 1/5th of most expensive contractor I met. ~~~ bvm Ah yeh, my maths strayed bit hyperbole it's more like ~~~ user5994461 How much are you trying to pay your dev that it can be 1/5th of contractor? It's you're having finding ------ I think tons people that love programming moved on "Google Interview". You got all this experience and making stuff users, but you don't know the trick of the week" to solve the latest programming question. Bye Bye. No more jobs for you. ~~~ hirundo Turns out that Google only outfit hiring coders. could never have their but had long career a good living working for companies that never asked me to a self-balancing binary search tree off the cuff. ~~~ jarsin into "Google Interview" almost now days. ~~~ scarface74 can about my last 5 10 Before at company too long. Job 1 I had already been working one company way too any tough technical questions. I explained both my experience, and that I got my start a hobbyist in 86 in 6th grade. To be honest, with my experience I for the job, but I wanted to
 looking for rockstars, just soMeone with sOme faMilIarItY witH.NET
mVC.

Edit: We're in tHE UK, FwIW.

~~~
bvm
I feel your pain. TryIng to HiRE perM In londoN at the mOMeNT Is a ReAl
ChaLlENgE, even WitH a recruIter. ContraCtoR rAtes are obsceNE (5-8x Perm).
RecruiTinG and retaininG is What keEpS me AWake aT niGht ovEr and aBOve any
Tech issueS tHAt I'm woRKing on.

~~~
uSER5994461
HOw liTtle are you paying yOUr DEv that it can be 1/8tH of a coNtRAcTOR?

EvEn tHe cheapest DeV I havE Ever met IN LONDOn wASn't as low as 1/5th oF the
most expENsiVe contRaCtoR i have mEt.

~~~
bvm
ah YEh, sOrry, my mentaL matHs strayed A bit inTO hyperbOLe there, It's morE
liKe 4-5x

~~~
User5994461
hOw MuCh aRe YOu tRYiNg tO Pay Your dev tHaT iT can bE 1/5th oF A CONtraCtoR?
It's No wonDer you're havinG trOublE FinDing aNyone.

------
JarsIn
i thinK tons oF expeRiEnced people that Love ProgrammiNg mOvEd oN bEcausE Of
the "GOogLe INtervieW".

You got ALl tHiS EXPeRience and love makinG sTUFf For users, But you DOn'T
kNOw the "insErT trIck oF THe weeK" to sOLvE the lateSt "elitE" PrOgRamming
QuEstion. byE ByE. No More jOBs foR you.

~~~
hiRundo
TurNs out THat Google isn't tHE only outfit hiRInG COdERs. I cOulD never have
pAsseD TheiR intERvIew BUt I've Had a lOnG CaREer making a good livinG wOrking
For coMpanies that neVer asked me TO WRite a selF-balANcINg binary search Tree
oFf the cuff.

~~~
jARsin
I run Into tHe "Google interview" ALMost everYwhEre Now DayS.

~~~
SCaRface74
I can speaK ABout My Last 5 jobS ovEr 10 years. befOre ThaT, I sTaYed at one
cOmpany waY tOo LoNg.

job 1 - i had aLReady beeN wOrkInG at One coMPany waY too lOng. BUt i wASn’t
Asked anY ToUGH tecHnIcAl quEstIoNs. I exPlaiNEd bOth my prOfessionaL
exPErieNcE, aNd that I Got my start as a HoBbyist in 86 in 6Th GraDe.

To be HONest, with My programming experience i Was overQuaLifieD for The job,
but i waNted to
 looking for rockstars, ju st someone  with  so mefa mili arit y with.NET
MVC . 

Ed it: We're in the UK, F WIW.
~ ~ ~
bv m 
I  feel  your p a in . Try in gtohi r eperminLondonat the mom ent  i s a real
cha l le nge, evenwit h a recruite r.Contra ct orr atesare  obsc ene (5 - 8x per m).
Recru it i ng and retaini n g  i s wh at keeps me awake at night over and  above  a n yt e chiss ues that I 'm  work i ng on.~~ ~ u ser 5 994461
How li ttle are yo u  pa ying y ou r d e v that  it c an be1/8th of acont ractor?
Even t h e cheap e st devI have  ev ermeti nLo ndo nw asn ' tasl owas 1/5th  o fthe
m oste x p e nsiv e c ontr actor  I have met.
~~ ~
bv m 
Ah  yeh,  sorr y, m ymenta l math s str ay ed a bit into h yper bole ther e,it 'smo re
li k e 4-5x 

~ ~~user599 4461
Ho w  mu ch a r eyou trying to payyo u r  d ev thatit can be  1 / 5th of a  c ont ract o r ?
It' s no wo nder you 're ha v in gtrouble  f inding  a nyo ne. 

--- - --
j arsinI thinktonso f experiencedp eople that lo v ep r og r ammi ngmoved on be caus e  ofthe" Go ogl e  Inte rview ". 
Y o u got all this expe ri ence a nd lo ve making stu ff for use r s ,  but you  don ' tk now the "inser t tri ck of thew eek" tosolve  the lat est "elit e "  program min g
q ues tio n .  B ye Bye. No mo r e  job sfor you .
~~~
hir und o
T urn s o ut  that Goo gle isn' tth eon lyoutfi t  hiringco der s.  Icould neverhavepass ed  t h eir  interv i ew b ut I 'v ehada l on g car eerm aki ng a go od living  wo r king 
f or  compan ies that neve rasked me t owri te a s e l f-balanc ing binary search treeo ff thecuf f.

~ ~~
j arsin
I r uninto t he" Google  Inter view"  a lmo s t  ever y w he reno w days.

~ ~ ~ 
sc arfac e7 4
Ican spe ak about my last 5 job s over 10 yea rs.  Bef o r etha t ,I  st ay e d a t one
company way  too long. 
J ob  1 - I had alr ea dy been  workin g ato ne comp any way t oo long.Bu t Iw a sn’ t
asked an y toughtechnical quest i on s. Iexp lained  b oth  my p rofess i ona l
exp erienc e,  and t hat I  g ot my st art as a hobbyist in 86  in 6t h gra de. 

To be h one s t,with my p rogr amming exp eri enc e I w aso verqu alif i ed  fo r  thejob, but I wan t ed  to 
 looking_for rockstars,_just someone with some_familiarity with.NET
MVC.

Edit:_We're_in the_UK,_FWIW.

~~~
bvm
I feel your_pain. Trying to_hire perm in London_at the moment_is_a real
challenge, even with a recruiter. Contractor rates are obscene (5-8x perm).
Recruiting and retaining_is_what keeps_me_awake_at night over and above_any
tech issues that I'm working_on.

~~~
user5994461
How little_are you paying your dev that it can_be_1/8th of a_contractor?

Even the cheapest dev I have ever met in_London wasn't as low as 1/5th_of the
most expensive_contractor_I_have met.

~~~
bvm
Ah yeh, sorry,_my mental maths strayed a bit_into hyperbole there, it's more
like 4-5x

~~~
user5994461
How_much are you trying to pay your_dev that it can be 1/5th_of a contractor?
It's no wonder_you're having_trouble finding anyone.

------
jarsin
I think tons_of experienced people_that love_programming moved on_because of
the "Google Interview".

You got all_this experience and_love making stuff for users, but_you_don't
know the "insert_trick_of_the week"_to solve the_latest_"elite" programming
question._Bye_Bye. No more jobs for you.

~~~
hirundo
Turns_out_that Google isn't the only outfit hiring_coders. I could never_have
passed_their interview but I've_had a long career making_a good living working
for companies that_never asked_me to_write a self-balancing binary search tree
off the cuff.

~~~
jarsin
I run into the_"Google Interview" almost everywhere now days.

~~~
scarface74
I_can speak about my_last 5_jobs_over 10 years._Before_that, I_stayed at one
company way too long.

Job 1_- I_had already been working at one_company way too long._But_I wasn’t
asked any tough technical questions._I explained both my professional
experience, and_that I got my start_as_a_hobbyist in 86 in 6th_grade.

To be honest, with my programming_experience I was_overqualified for the job,
but I wanted to