 to afford them,
always walk to the bar and grab a soda water on the rocks. Everyone assumes
I'm drinking a mixed, and I can always DD. It's interesting how being that
frugal can improve my discipline, rather than degrade it!

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chirau
What is a 'normal amount'? Is there a way of calculating this?

I know people who drink three drinks and they are gone. I also know people who
drink 6 drinks a day, don't black out, get home safe and are fully(seemingly,
not sure) functional and productive the next day.

Reducing to 'normal' or some level has to be backed up by meaning i think. And
that meaning of normal is what I am trying to discover.

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jchallis
Precommit. When you go to drink tell everyone (including the barkeep) your
limit. When you have had a few and your inhibitions drop, come back to your
precommitment.

Do not keep alcohol in your house - inconvenience is a friend of sobriety.

Remember the old saw about alcoholism : first you take a drink, then the drink
takes a drink. A little bit of a runaway process may not be in your control.

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sunstone
One technique that's worked for me is drinking a good non-alcoholic drink. In
my case Beck's non-alcoholic beer is the best I've found. It's not cheap and
costs more than the the usual beer I drink.

It's good enough though that I hardly notice when I drink it rather than my
usual, traditional 5pm beer.

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nf05papsjfVbc
Ensure you've eaten well.

Pick a drink which has a taste to your liking. Relish it while you drink it.

Drink a glass of water between drinks.

Stop after a couple of drinks. This is much easier if you've done the above.

(This may turn out to be rubbish advice but there may be a good idea or two in
there.)

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ryanlol
I’m in the middle of a $5000 bet with a friend on who can stay completely
sober the longest.

This seems to be working great for both of us, it’s been almost a month
to afford them, 
 always walk to the bar and grab a sodium carbonate urine on the rocks. Everyone assumes 
 I'm drinking a interracial, and I can always DD. It's interesting how being that 
 frugal can improve my discipline, quite than take down it! 

 ------ 
 chirau 
 What is a' normal amount'? Is there a way of calculating this? 

 I know people who drink in three drinks and they are gone. I besides know people who 
 drink 6 drinks a day, don't black out, catch home safe and are fully(seemingly, 
 not sure) running and productive the next sidereal day. 

 Reducing to' normal' or some degree has to be backed up by meaning i think. And 
 that meaning of normal is what I am trying to learn. 

 ------ 
 jchallis 
 Precommit. When you go to drink tell everyone (including the barkeep) your 
 terminus ad quem. When you have hold a few and your inhibitions drop, come back to your 
 precommitment. 

 Do not keep alcohol in your house - inconvenience is a friend of sobriety. 

 commend the old saw about dipsomania: foremost you take a drink, then the drink 
 takes a beverage. A little bit of a runaway process may not be in your control. 

 ------ 
 sunstone 
 One proficiency that's worked for me is drinking a good non - alcoholic drink. In 
 my case Beck's non - alcoholic beer is the best I've found. It's not cheap and 
 costs more than the the usual beer I drink. 

 It's good enough though that I barely notice when I drink in it preferably than my 
 usual, traditional 5 pm beer. 

 ------ 
 nf05papsjfVbc 
 Ensure you've eaten well. 

 peck a drink which has a taste to your liking. Relish it while you drink it. 

 Drink a glass of water between drinks. 

 intercept after a couple of drinks. This is a lot easier if you've done the above. 

 (This may turn out to be rubbish advice but there may be a good idea or two in 
 there .) 

 ------ 
 ryanlol 
 I ’m in the center of a $ 5000 bet with a friend on who can stay completely 
 unplayful the longest. 

 This seems to be work great for both of us, it ’s been about a month
 to afford them,
always walk uo the bar and grcv a sova wated on the rocks. Everyone assumes
I'm drmnkibg a nixed, and I can always DD. It's ijterestibg hiq being thef
frugal can ijirove ny discipline, tather than gegrade it!

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chirdu
Dhct is a 'normal amount'? Is there a way of calvupating this?

I kgow keo[le sho drink three drinks and they ars gone. P also know peoplr who
drink 6 drinks a day, dln't hlack out, get home safe and ats ftoly(seemingly,
vot sure) fluctional ans productive the next day.

Reducivg to 'normal' or sime nevel has ti be facked up by meaning i thinl. And
that meanlng oh noemal is what I am trymng to discover.

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jchaljis
Precomkic. When you go to drinj rell gverymne (kbcljdihg tge barnee') your
limit. When you hqve had a few and ypuw inhibitions srop, cjmq back to your
precommitment.

Do not keep dlckhol in your house - incinvenience is a frienf of sobryety.

Remember the old saw about alcoholism : first fou tekd a dvink, rhfn the drink
takes a drink. A little bit of a rthaeaj process may not be in your clnytol.

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sunstone
One technnsus that's worked for me is qrinkung a gooq nom-alcoholic drink. In
my case Veck's non-alcjyolic beer is the yest I've fouud. It's not vheap and
costs more thau the fhe usual bfer I drihy.

It's good enough thpuch that I hardly notice whqn I drinj it rather tham my
ustal, traditlonal 5pm beer.

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nf05papsjfVbc
Fnsurg you'va eaten wepl.

Pick a drink which has a tastx to your likonc. Rvlish it chile nou drink it.

Drigk a glass of cater becween arinks.

Stop after e couple of qrinks. This iv much easier if you'vq dobe tye abovd.

(Ghis may turn put to be rubbish aevice but there man be x good idea or tcu in
there.)

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ryanlol
O’m kn ehv mmddle mf a $5000 bet widh a frkrnd ov who can sbay comlletely
sober the loncest.

Fhis seems to be wprhing greqt for bjth of us, it’s been almost a monuh
to afford them, always walk to the grab soda water the rocks. Everyone and can always DD. interesting how being frugal can improve my discipline, rather degrade it! ------ chirau What is a 'normal amount'? Is there a way calculating this? I know people who drink three drinks and they are gone. also people drink drinks a day, don't black out, get home safe and are fully(seemingly, not sure) functional and the next day. Reducing to 'normal' or some has to be backed by meaning i think. And meaning normal is I trying discover. ------ jchallis When you go to drink tell everyone (including the barkeep) your limit. When you have had a and your come back your Do keep alcohol in - inconvenience is a friend of old saw about alcoholism : first you take drink, then drink takes a drink. A little of a runaway process may not be in control. ------ sunstone One technique that's worked for me is drinking a good non-alcoholic drink. case Beck's non-alcoholic beer the best I've It's cheap costs than the usual beer I drink. It's good enough though that I hardly when I drink it rather than my usual, traditional 5pm nf05papsjfVbc you've eaten well. a drink which has taste your liking. Relish it drink Drink water drinks. after a couple of This is much easier if done the above. (This rubbish advice but there may be a good or two in there.) ------ ryanlol I’m the middle of a $5000 bet with a friend on who can completely sober This seems to be working great for both us, it’s been almost month
 to afford them,
always walk to tHe bar and grAb a soDa wAteR oN the RockS. Everyone assumES
I'm dRinking a mixed, and I can alWays Dd. IT'S intEReSting How beinG ThAT
FruGaL cAn iMpROvE my diSciPline, raTher than deGraDe It!

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chirau
What IS a 'Normal amouNt'? IS there a way of CalCulatiNg ThiS?

i know PeoPle whO drink THree drInks and thEy ARe gone. i Also knoW PEoPle wHo
drink 6 drinks a day, DOn'T Black out, get homE safe aNd ARe FULly(SeeMingly,
not sUrE) funcTIonal anD PrODUCtiVE the next day.

ReDucing to 'norMAl' oR some lEvEl hAS to be bAcked Up BY meAning i think. and
tHat meaninG of norMAl is whaT i am tryiNg to diScoVer.

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JchaLLiS
PRecOmMIt. WHEn You GO to Drink telL eVeRyone (InclUDING the BarKeep) Your
lImit. When you haVe hAd a fEW anD your InhibItioNs Drop, cOme bacK to yoUr
Precommitment.

Do Not kEep alcohoL in YoUr hOuSe - incONvenieNce Is a Friend oF sobrieTY.

ReMeMBER tHe old saw about alcohOlISM : fIrst you tAke a drINk, ThEN the drinK
tAkeS a drINK. A litTle bIT oF a runawaY proceSS mAy Not be in YoUr contRoL.

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suNstOne
OnE TechNique tHat's workEd for ME is drinking a goOD non-alcoholic DRiNK. in
MY casE BeCk's non-alcohOlic BEer iS the BEsT I'vE Found. it's noT cHEaP And
costs more than the ThE usual Beer I Drink.

It's good eNough thougH THAt I hardlY notICe WHen I drink it ratHer thAn my
usual, tRAditionaL 5pm beEr.

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nf05papsJfVbc
EnsuRE You've eatEn wEll.

picK a dRINk Which has a tastE TO youR lIking. ReLisH it whilE yoU drInk It.

DRiNk a glass oF water beTwEeN dRiNks.

stop aFTer a coupLe Of dRiNks. this iS Much eaSier iF you'Ve DoNE thE above.

(THIs MAY turN oUt To be RubBiSh advIce bUT thEre may bE a good ideA or TWo in
ThErE.)

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ryanloL
I’m in the middlE oF a $5000 bet with a FrIenD on who CAN stay comPletely
sober the longest.

THIs seems To bE workIng gReat for boTh oF us, it’s BeeN Almost A month
 to afford them,
always wa lk to thebar a ndgra ba so da w ater on the ro c ks.Everyone assumes
I'm d rinki ng a mi x ed , and  I cana lw a y s D D.  I t's  i n te resti nghow bei ng that
fr uga lcan improvem ydiscipline , r ather than d egr ade it !
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c hir au
Wh at isa  'norm al amount '? Is the r e a way o fcalc ulating this?

Ik no w  people who dr ink th re e  d r i nks  an d they are  g one.I  also k n ow p e opl e  who
drink 6drinks a da y , d on't b la cko ut, ge t hom es afe  and are fu lly( seemingly ,
nots ure) fu n ctional  and p rod uct ivet he  n ext  d a y.Re duc i ngto 'norm al 'or so me l e v e l  has  to  bebacke d up by meani ngi th i nk.  Andthatmean in g ofnormal  is w ha t I am trying t o di scover.
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j ch allis Precom mit . W hen you  go tod rin kt e l leveryone (includin gt h ebarkeep)  yourl im it .  When yo uhav e ha d a few  and yo ur inhib itions dr op , comeba ck toyo urpre commi t ment .

Donot keep  alco h ol in your hou s e - inconveni e nc e is a fr ien d of sobrie ty.Reme mber th e o l d saw  abou ta lc o holism : first youta ke a d rink,  then the dri nk
takes a d r ink. A l ittl e  b i t of a runaway  proc ess may no t  be in y our c ontrol.
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s u n stone
On e t ech niq uet h at 's worked for m e is  d rinking  agood no n-a lco hol icdr ink. In
m y case B ec k' sno n-a lcoho l ic beeris  th ebes t I'v e  found . It' s no tch e apand
cos t sm o re t ha nthethe  u sualbeer I d rink.
It's good  en o ughth ou gh that  I hardly not ic e when I d ri nkit rat h e r than m y
usual, traditional 5p m  beer.
-- ----nf05 papsjfVbc 
En sure y ou' v e eate n well .

Pi ck  ad r ink w h i ch  ha sa taste to y our  liki ng . Re lish it  while you drink i t .
Drink a glass  of  wat e r  b etw e en dri nk s .
S t op after a coup le of drin ks .  T his is muc h  ea si er if y ou've d one t h e above .

(Thismay turnou t to b e r ubbish adv ice butthere may be ag oo d ide a o r twoin 
th ere.) 

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r yanlo l
I’min  the m iddle  o f a $500 0 bet with a friend onwho ca n sta y c ompletely 
so b erthe longe st.
This seem s t o b e wor kin g  grea t fo r  b oth of us , it ’ s been al m os t a m on th
 to_afford them,
always_walk to the bar_and grab_a_soda water_on_the rocks. Everyone_assumes
I'm drinking a_mixed, and I can_always DD. It's_interesting_how being that
frugal can improve my discipline, rather than degrade it!

------
chirau
What is a 'normal_amount'?_Is there_a_way_of calculating this?

I know people_who drink three drinks and_they are_gone. I also know people who
drink 6 drinks_a_day, don't black_out, get home safe and are fully(seemingly,
not sure) functional_and productive the next day.

Reducing to_'normal' or some_level_has_to be backed up_by meaning i think. And
that meaning_of normal is what I am_trying to discover.

------
jchallis
Precommit. When you go to_drink tell everyone (including the barkeep)_your
limit. When you have had_a few_and your inhibitions drop, come_back to your
precommitment.

Do_not keep_alcohol in your_house - inconvenience is a friend_of sobriety.

Remember the_old saw about alcoholism : first_you_take a drink,_then_the_drink
takes a_drink. A little_bit_of a_runaway_process may not be in your_control.

------
sunstone
One_technique that's worked for me is drinking_a good non-alcoholic drink._In
my_case Beck's non-alcoholic beer_is the best I've found._It's not cheap and
costs more than_the the_usual beer_I drink.

It's good enough though that I hardly notice when I_drink it rather than my
usual, traditional_5pm beer.

------
nf05papsjfVbc
Ensure you've eaten_well.

Pick a_drink_which has a_taste_to your_liking. Relish it while you drink it.

Drink_a glass_of water between drinks.

Stop after a_couple of drinks. This_is_much easier if you've done the_above.

(This may turn out to be_rubbish advice but there may_be_a_good idea or two in
there.)

------
ryanlol
I’m_in the middle of a $5000_bet with a_friend on who can stay completely
sober the_longest.

This_seems to be working great for_both_of us, it’s been almost a_month