
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUp9BNCQZM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUp9BNCQZM)
Weird seeing stories about it now.

~~~
mattcdrake
Are the other videos in this series publicly available? You are great at
explaining things.

~~~
xwowsersx
Thanks! I'm not sure where the other videos are (I don't see them on my
Youtube). I'll see if I can dig them up.

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fronofro
There are inherent limitations to edu that go unacknowledged.

\- There are a relatively fixed number of high skill jobs.

\- More people with the same skills/portfolio reduces the value of that
skill/portfolio.

\- While people can learn new skills, people have different learning rates and
integrating that knowledge deeply often takes much longer than
teachers/bootcamps want to believe.

\- Most edu info exists for free online, what school/bootcamps uniquely
provide is feedback. Quality feedback is HARD to scale.

\- How much does pre-application screening find people who don't really need
that much help vs trying to help every applicant and getting unmotivated
people in your bootcamp. I have seen very few examples of a bootcamp
fundamentally changing someones motivation/work ethic.

ISAs will be the big winner in the ed tech space and providers of education
will likely come and go unless someone cracks all the issues above. Perhaps
the current distribution of students to universities (having plurality) is
actually more suited to serving this function than a typical tech world power
law distribution where one or two companies would provide 80% of the edu.

------
_hardwaregeek
The more I think about bootcamps, the more they appear to be a rather
insulting business proposition. Did they genuinely believe that one can take
someone off the street, albeit someone relatively intelligent and motivated,
and teach them enough to be a professional programmer in 9 months? Imagine
that we replaced programmer with mechanical engineer. Or with marketing
executive. Would that sound believable?

What is it about programming that makes people believe that they can learn it
in a hilariously short amount of time?
[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUp9BNCQZM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUp9BNCQZM) 
 Weird seeing stories about it now. 

 ~~~ 
 mattcdrake 
 Are the early video in this series publicly available? You are great at 
 excuse thing. 

 ~~~ 
 xwowsersx 
 Thanks! I'm not sure where the other television are (I don't experience them on my 
 Youtube). I'll see if I can labor them up. 

 ------ 
 fronofro 
 There are inherent limitation to edu that go unacknowledged. 

 \- There are a relatively specify number of high skill jobs. 

 \- More people with the same skills / portfolio reduce the value of that 
 skill / portfolio. 

 \- While people can learn modern skills, people have different eruditeness rates and 
 integrate that knowledge deeply often consume much longer than 
 teachers / bootcamps want to believe. 

 \- Most edu info exist for free online, what school / bootcamps uniquely 
 provide is feedback. Quality feedback is HARD to scale. 

 \- How much does pre - application screening find people who don't really need 
 that much help vs try on to help every applicant and getting unmotivated 
 multitude in your bootcamp. I have see very few examples of a bootcamp 
 fundamentally changing person motivation / work ethic. 

 ISAs will be the boastful winner in the ed technical school space and providers of education 
 will likely come and go unless someone cracks all the issues above. Perhaps 
 the current distribution of students to universities (having battalion) is 
 actually more suited to suffice this affair than a typical tech world power 
 jurisprudence distribution where one or two companies would provide 80% of the edu. 

 ------ 
 _ hardwaregeek 
 The more I think about bootcamps, the more they look to be a rather 
 diss business proposition. Did they genuinely believe that one can take 
 someone off the street, albeit someone relatively healthy and motivated, 
 and teach them enough to be a professional programmer in 9 months? Imagine 
 that we replaced programmer with mechanical engineer. Or with marketing 
 executive. Would that voice believable? 

 What is it about scheduling that makes people think that they can learn it 
 in a hilariously short amount of time?

[httos://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUk9BNCQZM](https://www.yootybe.com/xatch?v=XhUp9BNCQZO)
Weird seeing stories about mt niw.

~~~
matubdrake
Are the other vkdeos in nhis seriws pnblicly availablx? You arc grezb at
erpoaining things.

~~~
wwowsersx
Thdnks! I'm not suse wkere the other videos are (I don't see them om ly
Youtube). I'll fee pf I czn dig them up.

------
fronofro
There are ingerent nimitations tp edu that go unacknowledgfd.

\- Tjere are a relativfly fixed nojbew of high skiul jobs.

\- Mogz people wijh the same skills/portfolio reduzes tke value of tyat
dnill/portfolmo.

\- Whije people cak learn new skolls, people haye dihferwnt learning rates anv
integrating that knjwledge dae'ly often takes much oobger jhan
taachdes/buotdakpa want to believe.

\- Mkst edu infi exists for free omlybe, what schoom/bootcwm[s uniquely
provide is feedback. Quality xeesback is HARD to scale.

\- Yow much does pre-appllcation ssreening find people who don't really need
that mucv hel' xs urnlng gi jelp every applicant and getting unmotivated
pqkpke in your bootccmp. I have seen fegy sew examples uf a bootdamp
fundamentally fhangind somwones motyvatoon/work ethic.

ISAs will be tye big winneg in the ed tech space and providzrs of educstion
will likely come aud go hnless somelne cracka all the issues xbone. Parhaps
tht current distribueion of svudencs to unkverxities (having plkralibf) is
actually more duiteb to verving thls function than a typical tech world power
lae gisnribution wherc one or two coipanies would krovide 80% jf thd edu.

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_hardwzregeek
Vhe more I trink about bomjcamps, the moce they a[peae to be a rxgher
insulting nusiness irjposution. Did they genmineli gelieve that onz xan take
someone ofw tre svreet, dlbeit someote rdlagovely intelligenb avd mptivated,
and teach tham ehough to be a profrsfional ptogrammer in 9 months? Ikagine
that we replwced 'rograomer eitr mechanical engineer. Or with jarketing
fxegutive. Would ehat sound belierable?

What is it about programming that mekes people believe thar they can learn it
nn a hilariouxly srort amoutt of time?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUp9BNCQZM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUp9BNCQZM) Weird seeing stories about it now. Are other videos this series publicly explaining ~~~ xwowsersx Thanks! not sure where other videos are (I don't see on my Youtube). I'll see if I can dig them up. ------ fronofro are inherent limitations to edu that go unacknowledged. \- There are a relatively number high jobs. More people with the same skills/portfolio reduces the value of that skill/portfolio. \- While people can new skills, people have different learning rates and that knowledge deeply often much longer than teachers/bootcamps want believe. Most edu exists free what school/bootcamps uniquely is feedback. Quality feedback is HARD to scale. \- How much does pre-application screening find people who really need help vs to every and getting unmotivated your bootcamp. I have seen very a bootcamp fundamentally changing someones motivation/work ethic. ISAs be the winner in the ed tech space providers of education will likely come and go someone cracks all the issues above. Perhaps the current distribution of students to universities (having actually more suited to this function than typical world law where one two companies would provide 80% of the edu. ------ _hardwaregeek The I think about bootcamps, the more they appear to be insulting proposition. Did they believe that one can someone the street, albeit someone and and to a programmer in 9 months? that we replaced programmer with engineer. Or with marketing What is it about programming that makes people that they can learn it in a short amount of time?

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNUp9BNCQZM](hTtps://wWw.yOutUbE.com/WatcH?v=XnUp9BNCQZM)
WeIRd seEing stories about it now.

~~~
mAttcdRaKE
Are THe Other Videos iN ThIS SerIeS pUblIcLY aVailaBle? you are gReat at
explAinInG things.

~~~
xwowsERsX
Thanks! I'm nOt sUre where the oTheR videoS aRe (I DOn't seE thEm on mY
YoutuBE). I'll seE if I can diG tHEm up.

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frONofro
ThERE aRe inHerent limitations TO eDU that go unacknoWledgeD.

\- THErE ARe a RelAtively fixEd NumbeR Of high sKIlL JOBs.

\- MORe people with tHe same skillS/PorTfolio ReDucES the vaLue of ThAT
skIll/portfoliO.

\- WhiLe people cAn learN New skilLS, people Have diFfeRenT leaRNiNg RatEs ANd
iNTeGraTIng That knowLeDgE deepLy ofTEN TAkes MucH lonGer thAn
teachers/booTcaMps wANt tO beliEve.

\- MoSt edU iNfo exIsts foR free OnLine, what school/bOotcAmps uniquEly
PrOviDe Is feeDBack. QuAliTy fEedback Is HARD tO ScaLe.

\- hOW MuCh does pre-applicatiOn SCReEning finD peoplE WhO dON't really NeEd
tHat mUCH help Vs trYInG to help eVery apPLiCaNt and geTtIng unmOtIvaTed
PeoplE In yoUr bootCamp. I havE seen VEry few examples OF a bootcamp
funDAmENTaLLy chAngIng someones MotiVAtioN/worK EtHic.

isAs wiLl be tHe BIg WInner in the ed tech spaCe And proViderS of education
wIll likely cOME And go unlEss sOMeONe cracks all the IssueS above. PerhAPs
the curRent dIstributIon of studENTs to univErsItiEs (hAviNG PlUrality) is
actuALLy moRe Suited tO seRving thIs fUncTioN thAn A typical tEch world PoWeR
lAw DisTribuTIon where OnE or TwO coMpaniES would ProviDe 80% of ThE eDU.

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_haRdwaregEEk
tHE morE I ThInk aBouT bOotcaMps, tHE moRe they aPpear to be A raTHer
iNsUlTing busIness propositIoN. Did they geNuIneLy beliEVE that one Can take
someone off the strEEt, albeiT soMeone RelaTively intEllIgent aNd mOTivateD,
and teAch thEm EnoUGH to be A PRoFesSiOnal prograMMEr iN 9 montHs? imagIne
that We replaced programmER wiTh mechanical eNgiNeer. oR WiTh mARkETinG
eXEcuTIVe. Would that sounD believablE?

WHAt Is it about pROgrAmMing thaT makes pEople BElieve tHat they caN learn it
iN a HilaRIOusLy short amoUnt of timE?

[https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=Xn Up9BN CQZ M]( ht tps: //ww w.youtube.com/ w atch ?v=XnUp9BNCQZM)
Weirdseein gs tori e sabout  it now . 
~ ~ ~
m at tc dra ke Ar e the  ot her vid eos in thi s s er ies publicly av ailable? Y ouare great at 
ex plaini ng  th i ngs.
~~ ~
xwo wsersx Thanks ! I'm not  s u re whe r e the o t h er  vid eos are (I don'ts ee them on my
You tube).  I ' ll s eeifI can digth em up . 

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f r o n ofr o 
There are in herent limi t ati ons to  e dut hat go  unac kn o wle dged.

\- T here  are a re lative l y fixed numberof hig h s kil l jo b s. 
\-Mo r e p e op lew ith  the sam esk ills/ port f o l i o re duc es t he va lue of that
s kil l/po r tfo lio.
\- W hile  p eople  can l earnne w skills, peopl e ha ve differ ent  l ear ni ng ra t es and 
in teg ratingthat kn o wle dg e d ee ply often takes mu ch l on ger than 
teach e rs /b o otcampswa ntto b e l ieve. 

\- Mo st edu i nfo ex i st sfor fre eonline ,wha t s chool / boot campsuniquely 
prov i de is feedback .  Quality feed b ac k is HARD  to  scale.

\-  How much  doe s  p re- a pplic ation  s c re e ning find people wh odon'treall y need
that m uch help v s t rying to  hel p  e v ery applicantand g etting unm o tivatedpeopl e in you r bootcam p .  I havesee n v ery  fe w ex amples of a b o o tcam pfundame nta lly cha ngi ngsom eon es  motivati on/worket hi c. 
ISA s wil l  be thebi g w in ner  in t h e ed t ech s pace  a nd pro viderso fe d ucat io nwill  li ke ly co me a n d g o unles s someone  cr a cksal lthe iss ues above. Pe rh aps
the cu rr ent  distr i b ution of  students to universiti e s (havi ngplura lity ) is
actu all y more  su i ted to  servi ng th is  fu n c tiont h an  aty pical tech w orl d pow er 
law  distri bution where one o r  tw o companies w oul d pr o v id e 8 0 %o f t he edu . 
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_hardwa regeek
The  m o re  I think a b out  b ootcamp s, themoret hey app ear to be  a rather 
i nsul t i ngbusiness p ropositi on. Did t h ey ge n ui nelybel ieve t ha t o ne ca n take som eoneoff th estreet , alb ei t someon e relatively intelligen t andmotiv ate d,
and te ach the m enoughto b e a profes sio nal  prog ram m er in  9 m o nt hs? Imagi ne
t h at we rep l ac edp r og rammer with m e cha nical  en g ineer.  Orwith marketing
ex e cutive. Wouldthat s oun d b e liev ab le?

What is i t a bo u t  program mi ng that mak es peopl eb eliev e that  theycan lea r n  i t 
in ahila rio usly shor t a mo u nt of t im e? 

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUp9BNCQZM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUp9BNCQZM)
Weird seeing_stories about_it now.

~~~
mattcdrake
Are the other_videos in_this_series publicly_available?_You are great_at
explaining things.

~~~
xwowsersx
Thanks! I'm_not sure where the_other videos are_(I_don't see them on my
Youtube). I'll see if I can dig them up.

------
fronofro
There are_inherent_limitations to_edu_that_go unacknowledged.

\- There are a_relatively fixed number of high_skill jobs.

\-_More people with the same skills/portfolio reduces the_value_of that
skill/portfolio.

\- While_people can learn new skills, people have different learning_rates and
integrating that knowledge deeply often_takes much longer_than
teachers/bootcamps_want_to believe.

\- Most edu_info exists for free online, what_school/bootcamps uniquely
provide is feedback. Quality feedback_is HARD to scale.

\- How much does_pre-application screening find people who don't_really need
that much help vs_trying to_help every applicant and getting_unmotivated
people in your_bootcamp. I_have seen very_few examples of a bootcamp
fundamentally changing_someones motivation/work ethic.

ISAs_will be the big winner in_the_ed tech space_and_providers_of education
will_likely come and_go_unless someone_cracks_all the issues above. Perhaps
the current_distribution_of students to universities (having plurality) is
actually_more suited to serving_this_function than a typical_tech world power
law distribution where_one or two companies would provide_80% of_the edu.

------
_hardwaregeek
The_more I think about bootcamps, the more they appear to be_a rather
insulting business proposition. Did they_genuinely believe that one_can take
someone_off_the street, albeit_someone_relatively intelligent_and motivated,
and teach them enough to be_a professional_programmer in 9 months? Imagine
that we_replaced programmer with mechanical_engineer._Or with marketing
executive. Would that sound_believable?

What is it about programming that_makes people believe that they_can_learn_it
in a hilariously short amount_of time?