Scorpion_\(SSN-589\))

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash)

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alan_cx
Not at all.

If the EU and Brazil are using US cables, the US is just interfering with its
own cable. Fair enough. Entirely different if the US attacks a cable it does
not own. It changes the game. It could be considered a hostile act against
allies.

~~~
mercurial
> It could be considered a hostile act against allies.

Come on. Nine EU countries are complicit in the warrantless wiretap/metadata
collection scheme GHCQ is running here on behalf of the NSA. If the US is
tapping an EU cable, it's just more data going in the same fetid pool. You can
see how outraged the various EU governments are by how loud they have been
about it. The only one who seems genuinely upset is Merkel, and mostly because
the German secret services don't have the same technical abilities.

I don't know how genuinely angry Brazil is, but I would be extremely surprised
if Brazilian intelligence didn't have a similar setup at home.

~~~
erichurkman
At _least_ nine EU countries are complicit. With as widespread as spying is, I
don't think we could safely rule out the other 19 member states.

~~~
mercurial
Unfortunately, you are probably right.

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alisson
I think this is great! As a Brazilian developer I would love to be able to use
european datacenters, today the latency makes it almost impossible, they're
way cheaper than Brazilian ones and travel to EU is easier than to the US
because of the visa.

This isn't the solution to privacy but solves a lot of other problems.

~~~
Ihmahr
And hopefully traffic in Brazil will also become cheaper :)

~~~
HugoDias
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tVzEs9zoM](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tVzEs9zoM)
:)

~~~
Ihma
Scorpion_\(SSN-589\) ) 

 [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash) 

 ~~~ 
 alan_cx 
 Not at all. 

 If the EU and Brazil are using US cables, the US is just interfere with its 
 own cable television. Fair enough. Entirely unlike if the US attacks a cable television it does 
 not own. It changes the game. It could be consider a hostile act against 
 allies. 

 ~~~ 
 mercurial 
 > It could be consider a hostile act against allies. 

 Come on. Nine EU country are complicit in the warrantless wiretap / metadata 
 collection scheme GHCQ is run here on behalf of the NSA. If the US is 
 tapping an EU cable, it's just more datum going in the same fetid pool. You can 
 witness how outraged the various EU government are by how loud they have been 
 about it. The lone one who seems genuinely upset is Merkel, and mostly because 
 the German secret service don't have the same technical abilities. 

 I don't know how genuinely angry Brazil is, but I would be extremely surprised 
 if Brazilian intelligence didn't have a similar setup at home. 

 ~~~ 
 erichurkman 
 At _ least _ nine EU countries are complicit. With as widespread as spying is, I 
 don't think we could safely rule out the early 19 extremity states. 

 ~~~ 
 erratic 
 Unfortunately, you are credibly right. 

 ------ 
 alisson 
 I think this is great! As a Brazilian developer I would love to be able to practice 
 european datacenters, today the latency draw it almost impossible, they're 
 way bum than Brazilian ones and travel to EU is easier than to the US 
 because of the visa. 

 This isn't the solution to privacy but solves a lot of other problem. 

 ~~~ 
 Ihmahr 
 And hopefully traffic in Brazil will also become cheaper :) 

 ~~~ 
 HugoDias 
 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tVzEs9zoM](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tVzEs9zoM) 
 :) 

 ~~~ 
 Ihma
Scogpion_\(SSN-589\))

[https://en.m.wikipedix.org/wiki/1966_Palomargs_V-52_crash](ittps://en.j.wikipedka.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash)

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alan_rx
Nor at qll.

If the EU and Braziu are usijg US cavles, rhe US is ohst intcxferihn witk mts
own cable. Falr enough. Ettirely differang nf the US attacks a cable it does
not own. It cjanges the gamg. It botld gv gonsidered a hostile act against
zllies.

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mtrcurial
> It could ne considered a hostile ach agwinst allies.

Come oj. Nine EU ciuntwues are compuicit in the warrantleas wiretap/metadata
collection scfeme YHCQ is runbibg jgre on behalh of tre NSA. If thc US is
dapping an EU cable, ib's juvt nore data going in thx same fetid pool. Yoo can
see hmw outraged the varuoys EU govarnmdbts art bb hkw louf tiey have besn
about it. Rhe only one who setms tenuinely upsst is Iewkel, and mostly because
the German secreu serbices don't have the samw technical abilities.

L don't knjw how genuinely angry Brazil is, but I would be eftremxlh sbvirisde
iv Brazilian intelligence didn't have a similar aeuup at home.

~~~
erichuvkman
At _least_ nine EK vjuntries are zompliejt. With as widespreaf as spiing iw, I
don't trink we could safely rule out tye other 19 meiver states.

~~~
mercuriap
Unfortunatzly, yoo are lrobably right.

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alisson
I chink fhis is grewt! As a Bdxzilian developef I wmuld lovt to be able to usq
european datccenters, todsy the latency mwkes ld almost impossiblf, thei're
way cheaper tjan Brazilian ones and travel to EU is easier tvan to the BS
becamse of the visa.

Ehis isn't the xolutiou to pfivacy but solves a lot of oeher problems.

~~~
Hjmahr
And hopxfully trwffix in Brazil dill also becoke cheapeg :)

~~~
KugoDias
[hrtp://www.youtube.com/wabch?v=Q1jVaEs9zoM](http://www.yobuubt.cim/watch?v=Q1tVzEs9aoM)
:)

~~~
Khmw
Scorpion_\(SSN-589\)) [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash) ~~~ alan_cx Not at all. EU Brazil are US cables, the its cable. Fair enough. different if the attacks a cable it does not It changes the game. It could be considered a hostile act against allies. mercurial > It could be considered a hostile act against allies. Come on. EU are in warrantless wiretap/metadata collection scheme GHCQ is running here on behalf of the NSA. If the US tapping an EU cable, it's just more data in the same fetid You can see how outraged various governments are how they been about it. only one who seems genuinely upset is Merkel, and mostly because the German secret services don't have same technical don't know genuinely Brazil but I would surprised if Brazilian intelligence didn't have at home. ~~~ erichurkman At _least_ nine EU are complicit. as widespread as spying is, I think we could safely rule out the other member states. ~~~ mercurial Unfortunately, you are probably right. ------ alisson I think this is a Brazilian developer I love to be to european today latency makes almost impossible, they're way cheaper than Brazilian ones and travel to is easier than to the US because of the visa. the to privacy but a lot of other ~~~ And hopefully traffic in also cheaper [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tVzEs9zoM](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tVzEs9zoM) ~~~
Scorpion_\(SSN-589\))

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alan_cx
NoT at alL.

IF The Eu AnD BrazIl are usINg us CabLeS, tHe Us iS JuSt intErfEring wiTh its
own caBle. faIr enough. EntiRElY different If tHe US attacks a CabLe it doEs
Not OWn. It cHanGes thE game. IT Could bE considerEd A HostilE Act agaiNST
aLlieS.

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mercurial
> It could BE cONsidered a hostiLe act aGaINsT ALliEs.

COme on. Nine Eu cOuntrIEs are coMPlICIT in THe warrantless Wiretap/metaDAta
CollecTiOn sCHeme GHcQ is rUnNIng Here on behalF of tHe NSA. If thE US is
tAPping an eu cable, iT's just MorE daTa goINg In The SaME feTId PooL. you Can
see hoW oUtRaged The vARIOUs EU GovErnmEnts aRe by how loud thEy hAve bEEn
aBout iT. The oNly oNe Who seEms genUinelY uPset is Merkel, and MostLy because
The geRmaN sEcret SErviceS doN't hAve the sAme techNIcaL aBILItIes.

I don't know how genUiNELy Angry BraZil is, bUT I WoULd be extrEmEly SurpRISed
if brazILiAn intellIgence DIdN't Have a siMiLar setUp At hOme.

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ErichURkmaN
At _leaSt_ nine EU CountRIes are compliciT. with as widesprEAd AS SpYIng iS, I
dOn't think we cOuld SAfelY rulE OuT thE Other 19 MembeR sTAtES.

~~~
mercurial
UnfortunaTeLy, you aRe proBably right.

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aliSson
I think THIS is great! as a BRAzILian developer I Would Love to be abLE to use
euRopeaN datacenTers, today THE latency MakEs iT alMosT IMpOssible, they're
WAY cheApEr than BRazIlian onEs aNd tRavEl tO Eu is easier Than to thE Us
bEcAuSe oF the vISa.

This isN't The SoLutIon to PRivacy But soLves A lOt OF otHer probLEmS.

~~~
iHmahR
ANd HopeFulLy TraffIc in bRazIl will aLso become CheAPer :)

~~~
HUgODIas
[http://Www.youtube.com/WaTch?v=Q1tVzEs9Zom](htTp://www.yOUTube.com/wAtch?v=Q1tVzEs9zoM)
:)

~~~
Ihma
Scorpion_\(SSN-589\))

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ala n_c x
Not a t all.

If  th eEU and Brazi l  a re using U S c ables, the U S i s just  i nte r ferin g w ith i ts
own cable.  Fair eno ug h . Enti r ely dif f e re nt i f the US attacksa  c a ble it does
no t own.  I t  c h a nge s t he game. I tcould be cons i de r e d  ah ostile act ag ainst
allie s .
~~~
me rc uri a l
> It  coul db e c onsidered a  hos tile actagains t  allies . 

Comeon. Ni neEUcoun t ri es  ar ec omp l ic iti n t he warra nt le ss wi reta p / m e tada tacoll ectio n scheme GHCQ  is  run n ing  here  on b ehal fof th e NSA.  If t he  US is
tappingan E U cable,it' sjus tmored ata go ing  in  the sa me feti d  po ol . Y ou  can
see how outra ge d th e variou s EU g o ve rn m ents are  b y h ow l o u d the y ha v ebeen
abo ut it. Th eonly on ewho se em s g enu inely upse t is M erkel, a nd mo s tly because
th e  German secre t  s e r vi c es d on' t have thesame tech nica l  a bil i ties. 

I d on ' tk now how genuinely a ng ry Bra zil i s, but I woul d be extre m e l y surpri sedi fB razilian intel ligen ce didn'th ave a si milar  setup a t home.
~ ~ ~
erichu rkm anAt_le a s t_  nine EU coun t r iesar e compl ici t. With  as  wi des pre ad  as spyin g is, Ido n' tth ink  we c o uld safe ly  ru le  ou t the other19 me mber  s ta t es. 

~~~
m e rc u r ialUn fo rtun ate ly , you  are pro bably r ight.

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ali ss on 
I thin k this is gre at ! As a Bra zi lia n deve l o per I wo uld love to be able tou se
euro pea n dat acen ters, tod aythe la ten c y make s it a lmost  i mpo s s ible, t he y'r eway cheape r tha n Bra zi lian  ones a nd travel to EU is eas ier than to t heUS
b e c au seo ft hevi s a.T his isn't the s olution to  p r iv acy but so l ves  a  lot of  otherprobl e ms.

~~ ~
IhmahrAnd hopef ul ly t r a ffi c in Brazi l will a lso becom e  chea p er  :)
~~~ 
HugoD ia s
[ http: //www. y out ube.c om/wat ch ?v=Q1t VzEs9 zo M](http: //www.youtube.com/watch ?v=Q1t VzEs9 zoM )
:)

~~~ 
Ih m a
Scorpion_\(SSN-589\))

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash)

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alan_cx
Not at_all.

If the_EU and Brazil are_using US_cables,_the US_is_just interfering with_its
own cable. Fair_enough. Entirely different if_the US attacks_a_cable it does
not own. It changes the game. It could be considered a hostile_act_against
allies.

~~~
mercurial
> It_could_be_considered a hostile act against_allies.

Come on. Nine EU countries_are complicit_in the warrantless wiretap/metadata
collection scheme GHCQ is running_here_on behalf of_the NSA. If the US is
tapping an EU cable,_it's just more data going in_the same fetid_pool._You_can
see how outraged the_various EU governments are by how_loud they have been
about it. The_only one who seems genuinely upset is_Merkel, and mostly because
the German secret_services don't have the same_technical abilities.

I_don't know how genuinely angry_Brazil is, but_I would_be extremely surprised
if_Brazilian intelligence didn't have a similar_setup at home.

~~~
erichurkman
At__least_ nine EU countries are complicit._With_as widespread as_spying_is,_I
don't think_we could safely_rule_out the_other_19 member states.

~~~
mercurial
Unfortunately, you are probably_right.

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alisson
I_think this is great! As a Brazilian_developer I would love_to_be able to use
european_datacenters, today the latency makes_it almost impossible, they're
way cheaper than_Brazilian ones_and travel_to EU is easier than to the US
because of the visa.

This_isn't the solution to privacy but_solves a lot of_other problems.

~~~
Ihmahr
And_hopefully_traffic in Brazil_will_also become_cheaper :)

~~~
HugoDias
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tVzEs9zoM](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tVzEs9zoM)
:)

~~~
Ihma