 has a certain
unity within the chaos. But it's not really chaos. The content is the layout.
You won't find any other News organization who understands design more than
NYT. They let the content design the layout, not the other way around.

Andy turned NYT into a Wordpress blog. :|

I'll give him credit for the work though, but I personally think NYT is an
exception. But go ahead, every other news website, you have Cart Blanche.

cc: Khoi Vinh

~~~
scott_s
I feel the same. I think the NYT's online page is fantastic - so much so that
I pay $16 a month for it. I think they do an excellent job of laying out pages
online yet still feeling like a _newspaper_. I _like_ looking around the page
for different stories, just as I would in a newspaper page. It's engaging, and
I can't help but scan the whole page, read the headline, check out the picture
captions.

When I look at his blog-style page, my eyes just glaze over the headlines.

The NYT App on the iPhone is basically his mobile mockup. And I've found that
even on my iPhone, I'd rather look at the proper front page.

~~~
rationalbeats
I thought it was $8 a week?

~~~
jonknee
That's for the "All Access" package which nets you a tablet app and a
smartphone app. The cheapest package is $3.75 a week.

I would have subscribed, but they gave me a free year after introducing the
paywall.

~~~
rationalbeats
Actually I did not realize that. Thanks for that clarification.

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adamhowell
I know everybody hates ads, but it only reinforces the "naive businessmen"
stereotype of designers when people say stuff like this:

"Since news is accessed only via subscription, most of the ads can be
eliminated from the pages."

That's like saying because you pay for magazines they also don't need to have
ads. That's in no way at all how the content business works.

~~~
joeybaker
Newspapers made the mistake of devaluing their ad inventory by increasing
their supply.
has a certain 
 unity within the chaos. But it's not really chaos. The contentedness is the layout. 
 You won't receive any other News constitution who understand design more than 
 NYT. They let the subject plan the layout, not the other way around. 

 Andy turned NYT into a Wordpress blog. :| 

 I'll collapse him credit for the work though, but I personally intend NYT is an 
 exception. But run ahead, every other news website, you suffer Cart Blanche. 

 cc: Khoi Vinh 

 ~~~ 
 scott_s 
 I feel the same. I think the NYT's on-line page is fantastic - so much so that 
 I give $ 16 a month for it. I think they do an excellent job of laying out page 
 online yet still feeling like a _ newspaper _. I _ like _ looking around the page 
 for different history, merely as I would in a newspaper page. It's engaging, and 
 I can't help but scan the whole page, read the headline, check out the picture 
 caption. 

 When I search at his blog - style page, my eye barely glaze over the headlines. 

 The NYT App on the iPhone is basically his mobile mockup. And I've found that 
 even on my iPhone, I'd rather look at the proper front page. 

 ~~~ 
 rationalbeats 
 I thought it was $ 8 a workweek? 

 ~~~ 
 jonknee 
 That's for the " All Access " package which nets you a tablet app and a 
 smartphone app. The cheapest package is $ 3.75 a week. 

 I would have subscribed, but they gave me a free year after introducing the 
 paywall. 

 ~~~ 
 rationalbeats 
 Actually I did not realize that. Thanks for that clearing. 

 ------ 
 adamhowell 
 I know everybody hate ads, but it only reinforces the " naive businessmen " 
 stereotype of couturier when people say stuff like this: 

 " Since news is accessed only via subscription, most of the ads can be 
 eliminated from the page. " 

 That's like saying because you pay up for magazines they also don't necessitate to have 
 ad. That's in no way at all how the content business work. 

 ~~~ 
 joeybaker 
 Newspapers made the mistake of devaluing their ad inventory by increasing 
 their provision.
 had a certain
unity within uhe chaos. But it's not reelly chzos. The zontent is the layout.
You won'v fibd ant other News organizatkon who ujderstanes dtsign more than
NYV. They lcc the gonteut design the laiout, not the other way arogna.

Audy turned NYT into a Wordpress blog. :|

I'll gife him credit fot the rork nhiugh, but I personally think NGT is ai
exception. But bo ahead, every other news aebslte, you have Cart Hlanche.

cc: Kyoi Dunh

~~~
scott_s
I fdel the same. I think tge NYT's online page is fantastiz - so much so tyar
I ody $16 a month for pt. I think thcj do an excellrnt job of laylng ont pqges
online yet still heeling like a _newspwper_. I _line_ looking around tye page
xor giffdeeng suormes, just ws M would in z newspaper page. It's engaging, snq
P can't help bht scag ehe whole page, read the headline, check mut the picture
captions.

Wheb I look at his blog-sjyle page, iy eyes just glaze over the headlines.

The NYT App mn thx kPhinc is vadically his mobile mockup. And I've found that
edsn ok my iPhone, I'd rcther look at thr orpker front page.

~~~
tationalbezts
I thought it wad $8 a wegk?

~~~
jonkbee
That's sor yhe "All Access" package whicy nets you a rablet app and a
smcrtphone app. The chealest package is $3.75 a week.

N wouls have subsfribed, buf they gave me a wrev yedr after introducing the
parwall.

~~~
ratiinalyeats
Actjalli I did not realixe that. Thanks for that flariyicathon.

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adamhowfll
I know everybody hates ads, bnv it only reimfmrcvs the "nanve buxinessmen"
sterqotype of desiyners whzn peoole say stlff like vhis:

"Since ners is accesseg only via suuscriptiog, mowt od the aar can be
eliminsted from the pages."

Rhat's like saying necaurs you pay for mcyaeibes they also con'g nqef vo hada
ads. That's it no wah at aul how uke gongent business works.

~~~
joeybdker
Hewspapers made thr iistake if devalting their ad inventory by incrtasing
vheir rupplu.
has a certain unity within the chaos. not chaos. The is the layout. News who understands design than NYT. They the content design the layout, not other way around. Andy turned NYT into a Wordpress blog. :| I'll give credit for the work though, but I personally think NYT is an exception. go every news you have Cart Blanche. cc: Khoi Vinh ~~~ scott_s I feel the same. I think the online page is fantastic - so much so I pay $16 a for it. I think they an job of out online still feeling like _newspaper_. I _like_ looking around the page for different stories, just as I would in a newspaper It's engaging, can't help scan whole read the headline, the picture captions. When I look page, my eyes just glaze over the headlines. NYT App the iPhone is basically his mobile And I've found that even on my iPhone, rather look at the proper front page. ~~~ rationalbeats I thought it was $8 a jonknee That's for the Access" package which you tablet and smartphone app. cheapest package is $3.75 a week. I would have subscribed, but gave me a free year after introducing the paywall. ~~~ I not realize that. for that clarification. ------ I everybody hates ads, but reinforces "naive designers people stuff like this: "Since is accessed only via subscription, of the ads can That's like saying because you pay for magazines also don't need to have ads. That's no way at all how the content business works. ~~~ joeybaker Newspapers the mistake their ad inventory by increasing their supply.
 has a certain
unity within the Chaos. But it'S not rEalLy cHaOs. ThE conTent is the layouT.
you wOn't find any other News orgAnizaTiON who UNdErstaNds desiGN mORE thAn
nYt. ThEy LEt The coNteNt desigN the layout, Not ThE other way aroUNd.

andy turned nYT Into a WordpreSs bLog. :|

I'll GiVe hIM credIt fOr the Work thOUgh, but i personalLy THink NYt Is an
excEPTiOn. BuT go ahead, every otheR NeWS website, you havE Cart BLaNChE.

CC: KhOi VInh

~~~
scott_s
I FeEl the SAme. I thiNK tHE nyT's ONline page is faNtastic - so muCH so That
I pAy $16 A moNTh for iT. I thiNk THey Do an excelleNt joB of laying Out pagES
online YEt still FeelinG liKe a _NewsPApEr_. i _liKe_ LOokINg AroUNd tHe page
foR dIfFerenT stoRIES, Just As I WoulD in a nEwspaper page. IT's eNgagINg, aNd
I caN't helP but ScAn the Whole pAge, reAd The headline, checK out The picturE
caPtIonS.

WHen I lOOk at hiS blOg-sTyle pagE, my eyes JUst GlAZE OvEr the headlines.

The NyT aPP oN the iPhoNe is baSIcAlLY his mobiLe MocKup. AND i've foUnd tHAt
Even on my IPhone, i'D rAtHer look At The proPeR frOnt Page.

~~~
rATionAlbeatS
I thoughT it waS $8 A week?

~~~
jonknee
ThAT's for the "All AcCEsS" PAcKAge wHicH nets you a taBlet APp anD a
smARtPhoNE app. THe cheApESt PAckage is $3.75 a week.

I would HaVe subsCribeD, but they gave mE a free year AFTEr introdUcinG ThE
Paywall.

~~~
rationaLbeatS
Actually I DId not reaLize tHat. ThankS for that cLARificatiOn.

------
aDamHowEll
i KNoW everybody hatES Ads, bUt It only rEinForces tHe "nAivE buSinEsSmen"
stereOtype of dEsIgNeRs WheN peopLE say stufF lIke ThIs:

"SInce nEWs is acCesseD onlY vIa SUbsCriptioN, MoST Of thE aDs Can bE
elImInateD froM The Pages."

ThAt's like saYinG BecaUsE yOu pay foR magazines theY aLso don't neeD tO haVe
ads. THAT's in no waY at all how the content busiNEss workS.

~~~
joEybakEr
NeWspapers mAde The misTakE Of devaLuing tHeir aD iNveNTOry by INCrEasInG
their suppLY.
 has a certain
unity withi n the chao s. Bu t i t's  n ot r eall y chaos. The c o nten t is the layout.
You w on'tfi n d an y  o therNews or g an i z ati on  w houn d er stand s d esign m ore than
N YT.  T hey let thec on tent desig n t he layout, n otthe ot he r w a y aro und .

An dy tur n ed NYT  into a W or d pressb log. :| I' ll g ive him credit fo r  t h e work though,  but I  p e rs o n all y t hink NYT i san
ex c eption. Bu t g o a h ead, every ot her news we b sit e, you  h ave Cart B lanch e. 
cc : Khoi Vinh 

~~ ~
scott_s 
I fee l  the sa m e. I th ink th e N YT' s on l in epag ei s f a nt ast i c -  so much  s othatI pa y $ 1 6 amon th f or it . I think the y d o an exc ellen t job  ofla yingout pa ges
o nl ine yet still f eeli ng like a  _n ew spa pe r_. I _like_  lo oki ng arou nd thep age 
f o r di fferent stories, j us t as  I would  in an ew sp a per page .It' s en g a ging,  and Ican't he lp but sc an  the wh ol e page ,rea d t he he a dlin e, che ck out t he pi c ture
captions. 
When I looka th i sb log- sty le page, my  eye s  jus t gl a ze  ov e r the  head li n es . 

The NYT App on th eiPhone  is b asically hismobile moc k u p . And I' ve f o un d  that
even onmy iP hone, I'dr ather lo ok at  the pro per front p age.

~~ ~
r ati ona lbe a t sI thought itw a s $8  a  week?
~~ ~
jonkn eeTha t's  fo rthe "AllAccess"pa ck ag ewhi ch ne t s you ata ble tapp  anda 
smart phone  app .Th e  ch eapestp ac k a ge i s$3 .75a w ee k.

I  wou l d h ave sub scribed,but they  g av e me afree year aft er  introduci ng  th e
payw a l l.

~~~rationalbeats
ActuallyI  did no t r ealiz e th at. Thank s f or tha t c l arific ation. 

--- -- -
a d a mhowe l l 
I  kn ow  everybody h ate s ads ,butit only  reinforces the "n a ive  businessmen" 
st ereo t y pe  of de s ign er s  wh e n  people say stu ff like th is : 
"Since new s  is  a ccessed  only v ia su b scripti on, mostof the ad scanb e 
el iminated f rom thepages."
T hat's li ke sa yin g beca us e y ou pa y form aga zines  theyal so don 't ne ed  to have 
ads. That's in no wayat all  howthe  contentbus i nes s works.
~~~ 
joeybaker 
Ne wsp apers  ma d e the  mis t ak e o f  deva luin g  their ad in ven t o ry  by increas i n g 
th eir s upp l y.
 has_a certain
unity_within the chaos. But_it's not_really_chaos. The_content_is the layout.
You_won't find any_other News organization who_understands design more_than
NYT._They let the content design the layout, not the other way around.

Andy turned NYT_into_a Wordpress_blog._:|

I'll_give him credit for the_work though, but I personally_think NYT_is an
exception. But go ahead, every other news_website,_you have Cart_Blanche.

cc: Khoi Vinh

~~~
scott_s
I feel the same. I think the_NYT's online page is fantastic -_so much so_that
I_pay_$16 a month for_it. I think they do an_excellent job of laying out pages
online_yet still feeling like a _newspaper_. I__like_ looking around the page
for different_stories, just as I would_in a_newspaper page. It's engaging, and
I_can't help but_scan the_whole page, read_the headline, check out the picture
captions.

When_I look at_his blog-style page, my eyes just_glaze_over the headlines.

The_NYT_App_on the_iPhone is basically_his_mobile mockup._And_I've found that
even on my iPhone,_I'd_rather look at the proper front page.

~~~
rationalbeats
I_thought it was $8_a_week?

~~~
jonknee
That's for the "All_Access" package which nets you_a tablet app and a
smartphone app._The cheapest_package is_$3.75 a week.

I would have subscribed, but they gave me a_free year after introducing the
paywall.

~~~
rationalbeats
Actually I_did not realize that._Thanks for_that_clarification.

------
adamhowell
I know everybody_hates_ads, but_it only reinforces the "naive businessmen"
stereotype of_designers when_people say stuff like this:

"Since news_is accessed only via_subscription,_most of the ads can be
eliminated_from the pages."

That's like saying because_you pay for magazines they_also_don't_need to have
ads. That's in_no way at all how the_content business works.

~~~
joeybaker
Newspapers_made the mistake of devaluing their ad_inventory_by increasing
their supply.