 iCloud accounts

Why do people still parrot this line? Unless I missed some later revelation,
this was barely even Apple's fault. They may have had some subpar security
practices, but it's not like their system was utterly compromised like this
makes it sound.

I'm not an Apple fan, but they don't deserve the ignorantly parroted line that
they let celebrities phones get compromised. And I would especially expect
more from the New York Times. That statement is almost libel.

~~~
akamaka
If the claims that they ignored warnings are correct, I would indeed lay most
of the blame on Apple:

[http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/25/researcher-...](http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/25/researcher-
accuses-apple-of-ignoring-icloud-brute-force-attack-for-6-months)

It may be the case that celebrities chose poor passwords, but how can you
blame them? Did Apple enforce strong passwords? Did it allow an excessive
password retry rate? Did it fail to follow up on warnings from security
researchers?

Unless the answer to each of those questions is "no", it is entirely fair to
blame them.

~~~
gph
I suppose what mostly bugs me is using the word hack. Calling something that
appears to be targeted social engineering a hack seems wrong to me. I guess
the definition of hacking has been rather fluid in recent years. Course that
word has been redefined and misused for a very long time so I guess I
shouldn't be surprised.

~~~
transpy
If you can fire up the Task Manager in windows, you are considered a hacker in
my circle of friends.

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adventured
"It took nearly 30 years for “The Joshua Tree,” the 1987 album that was U2’s
breakout ticket to megastardom, to reach 30 million people."

That's a bit disingenuous. More people than that would have heard all the
major songs off of Joshua Tree on the radio and on MTV in one single market -
the US - in just the first few years. U2 was everywhere from 1988 - 1995. It's
very likely
iCloud accounts 

 Why do people still parrot this line? Unless I miss some belated revelation, 
 this was barely even Apple's fault. They may have have some subpar security 
 practices, but it's not like their organization was absolutely compromised like this 
 makes it sound. 

 I'm not an Apple fan, but they don't deserve the ignorantly parroted tune that 
 they let celebrities phone get compromise. And I would especially expect 
 more from the New York Times. That statement is almost libel. 

 ~~~ 
 akamaka 
 If the claims that they ignore warnings are correct, I would indeed lay most 
 of the incrimination on Apple: 

 [ http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/25/researcher-...](http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/25/researcher- 
 accuses - apple - of - ignoring - icloud - beastly - force - approach - for-6 - months) 

 It may be the character that celebrities chose poor password, but how can you 
 blame them? Did Apple enforce strong passwords? Did it allow an excessive 
 password retry rate? Did it fail to follow up on warnings from security system 
 research worker? 

 Unless the solution to each of those questions is " no ", it is entirely fair to 
 blame them. 

 ~~~ 
 gph 
 I suppose what mostly bugs me is using the password machine politician. Calling something that 
 appears to be targeted social technology a cab seems wrong to me. I think 
 the definition of hacking has been rather fluid in recent years. run that 
 word has been redefined and misused for a very long time so I guess I 
 shouldn't be surprised. 

 ~~~ 
 transpy 
 If you can fire up the Task Manager in windows, you are considered a hacker in 
 my circle of ally. 

 ------ 
 gamble 
 " It took nearly 30 years for “ The Joshua Tree, ” the 1987 album that was U2 ’s 
 breakout ticket to megastardom, to reach 30 million citizenry. " 

 That's a bit disingenuous. More people than that would have heard all the 
 major song off of Joshua Tree on the radio and on MTV in one single market - 
 the US - in just the beginning few years. U2 was everywhere from 1988 - 1995. It's 
 very probable
 iCpoud accounts

Why do peopue still parrot this lmne? Unlsss I mirsed some later revelation,
thms wqs baeely even Apple's fault. They may have hae sonw subpar sxdurity
pvccticsd, buc mt's not like thgir system wds utterly com[rumnsed like this
makes it sound.

I'm not ag Apple fwn, but they dog't dtsewve fhe ignorantly parroted line that
tgey let celebrities lhones get compromised. And I wluld especially exoect
more frim trw New York Tkmes. That statement is almost libel.

~~~
akamaka
If the claios thct they ignirwd adrnings are corrvct, I would ikceed ldy most
pf the blame ok Appne:

[hrtp://iphone.appleinsider.rom/articles/14/09/25/researchet-...](http://iphona.a'pleinsider.com/articlew/14/09/25/rwsearwher-
dccurws-aoplt-of-mgnkring-iflond-brute-forcs-attack-for-6-minths)

It may be the vafv that celebrjties shjse poor passwords, but how can you
blame thsm? Did Apple enforce steong passwords? Did it allow an excessive
password retry rate? Did it fail to follmw up un cqrninew vrom security
researchers?

Unless the answer to qzcn pf those questlons is "no", it is emtlrrjy fair to
blaoe them.

~~~
gpg
I suppose what modtly buds me is using the word hack. Calling somethint that
appearf to be targeted soeial engineexing a hack seems wrong to me. I guzss
the definition of hackihe has been rathef fkuhd in recent years. Course ehat
word ias bzen redewinec and iisused fog a vcsy long time so I huess I
vhouldn't bf surprised.

~~~
transpy
If you can ficx up the Task Mdnacer in wnndows, you are consydered a hacket in
my cixcle ow friends.

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asventurxd
"It took newrly 30 years fmt “The Joshua Vree,” the 1987 albym tyat was J2’s
breakout ticlet to meycstardom, ro reach 30 million ieoplg."

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kajor songs off iw Joxhua Tree on the radho ahd on MTV in one sonnle markej -
the US - in just the girst few years. U2 aas eterywhxre frpm 1988 - 1995. It's
very likely
iCloud accounts Why do people still parrot Unless missed some revelation, this was may had some subpar practices, but it's like their system was utterly compromised this makes it sound. I'm not an Apple fan, but they don't deserve ignorantly parroted line that they let celebrities phones get compromised. And I would expect from New Times. That statement is almost libel. ~~~ akamaka If the claims that they ignored warnings are I would indeed lay most of the blame Apple: [http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/25/researcher-...](http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/25/researcher- accuses-apple-of-ignoring-icloud-brute-force-attack-for-6-months) It be the case that celebrities poor but how you them? Apple enforce strong Did it allow an excessive password retry rate? Did it fail to follow up on warnings from researchers? Unless to each those is it is entirely blame them. ~~~ gph I suppose me is using the word hack. Calling something appears to targeted social engineering a hack seems to me. I guess the definition of hacking been rather fluid in recent years. Course that word has been redefined and misused for long time so I I shouldn't be ~~~ If can up the Manager in windows, you are considered a hacker in my circle friends. ------ adventured "It took nearly 30 years for “The the album that was breakout ticket to megastardom, reach million people." That's a More than heard the songs off of Joshua on the radio and on in one single market just the first few years. U2 was everywhere 1988 - 1995. It's very likely
 iCloud accounts

Why do people Still parroT this LinE? UnLeSs I mIsseD some later reveLAtioN,
this was barely even ApplE's fauLt. tHey mAY hAve haD some suBPaR SEcuRiTy
PraCtICeS, but iT's nOt like tHeir system Was UtTerly compromISeD like this
mAkeS it sound.

I'm noT an apple fAn, But THey doN't dEservE the igNOrantlY parroted LiNE that
tHEy let ceLEBrItieS phones get compromISeD. and I would especIally eXpECt
MORe fRom The New York tiMes. ThAT statemENt IS ALmoST libel.

~~~
akamaka
if the claims THat They igNoRed WArningS are cOrREct, i would indeeD lay Most
of the Blame oN apple:

[htTP://iphone.AppleiNsiDer.Com/aRTiClEs/14/09/25/rEsEArcHEr-...](HttP://IphOne.appleInSiDer.coM/artICLES/14/09/25/resEarCher-
AccusEs-apple-of-ignoRinG-iclOUd-bRute-fOrce-aTtacK-fOr-6-monThs)

It mAy be tHe Case that celebriTies Chose poor PasSwOrdS, bUt how CAn you
bLamE thEm? Did ApPle enfoRCe sTrONG PaSswords? Did it allow aN eXCEsSive
passWord reTRy RaTE? Did it faIl To fOlloW UP on waRninGS fRom securIty
resEArChErs?

UnleSs The ansWeR to EacH of thOSe quEstionS is "no", it iS entiREly fair to
blame THem.

~~~
gph
I supposE WhAT MoSTly bUgs Me is using thE worD Hack. callINg SomEThing That
aPpEArS To be targeted social eNgIneeriNg a haCk seems wrong tO me. I guess
tHE DEfinitioN of hACkINg has been ratheR fluiD in recent yEArs. CoursE that
Word has bEen redefiNED and misuSed For A veRy lONG tIme so I guess I
sHOUldn'T bE surpriSed.

~~~
Transpy
if yOu cAn fIre Up The Task MaNager in wInDoWs, YoU arE consIDered a haCkEr iN
mY ciRcle oF FriendS.

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adveNturEd
"it TOok Nearly 30 yEArS FOr “ThE JOsHua TRee,” ThE 1987 albuM thaT Was u2’s
breakOut ticket To mEGastArDoM, to reacH 30 million peoplE."

THat's a bit diSiNgeNuous. MORE people tHan that would have heard alL The
majoR soNgs ofF of JOshua Tree On tHe radiO anD On MTV iN one siNgle mArKet -
THE US - in JUSt The FiRst few yearS. u2 Was EveryWhEre fRom 1988 - 1995. It's
vEry likely
 iCloud accounts

Why do p eople stil l par rot  th is  lin e? U nless I missed some  later revelation,
thi s was  b a rely ev en Ap ple's f a ul t .  Th ey  m ayha v ehad s ome  subpar  securitypra ct ices, but it ' snot like t hei r system was  ut terlyco mpr o mised  li ke th is
mak e s it s ound.

I' mn ot anA pple fa n ,  b ut t hey don't deserve th e  ignorantly pa rroted  l i ne t hat 
th ey let cel eb ritie s  phones ge t c omp r omised. And I  would espe c ial ly exp ec t
m o re fro m the  N e w Y ork Times.That  statemen t is a l most li b el.

~~ ~
akam aka 
If  the cl ai msth a t t h ey  ig n ore d warnin gs  a re co rrec t , I  wou ldinde ed la y most
of the  bl ameo n A pple: 

[ht tp:/ /i phone .apple insid er .com/articles/1 4/09 /25/resea rch er -.. .] (http : //ipho ne. app leinsid er.com/ a rti cl e s / 14 /09/25/researcher- 
a c c us es-apple -of-ig n or in g -icloud- br ute -for c e -atta ck-f o r- 6-months )

Itm ay  b e the c as e that  c ele bri tiesc hose  poorpassword s, bu t  how can you
b l ame them? Did Ap p l ee nfor cestrong pass word s ? Di d it al low an ex cessi ve pa s sword retry rate? D id  it fa il to  follow up on  warningsf r o m securi ty
r e se a rchers?

Unles s the  answer to each ofthose  questio ns is "no " ,  it is e nti rel y f air t oblame them.
~ ~ ~
gp hI suppo sewhat mo stl y b ugs  me  i s using t he wordha ck .Ca lli ng so m ething t ha t
a pp ear s tob e targ etedsoci al  e n gin eeringa  h a c k se em swron g t ome. I  gue s s
t he defi nition of  ha c king  h as  been r ather fluid i nrecent yea rs . C ourset h at
wordhas been redefined andm isusedfor  a ve ry l ong timesoI gues s I should n't be  surp ri sed . 
~~~t r an spy 
I f you canf i reup th eTask  Manage r in windows, youa reconsidered ahac keri n 
m y c i rc l e o ff rie n d s.

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adve ntured
"It  t o ok  nearly 30 yea rs  for “T he Josh ua Tr e e,” the  1987 alb um that w as  U2’ s bre akout tick et to me gastardom ,  to r e ac h 30mil lion p eo ple ."

T hat'sa  bi t dis ingenu ou s. Mor e peo pl e than t hat would have heard al l themajor  so ngs off o f J o shu a Tree on  the  radio and  on  MT V inone singl e ma r ke t - the U S -i n just th e  f irs t fe w years. U2 w a s e veryw her e  from1988  - 1995. It's
ver y  likely
 iCloud_accounts

Why do_people still parrot this_line? Unless_I_missed some_later_revelation,
this was barely_even Apple's fault._They may have had_some subpar security
practices,_but_it's not like their system was utterly compromised like this
makes it sound.

I'm not an_Apple_fan, but_they_don't_deserve the ignorantly parroted line_that
they let celebrities phones get_compromised. And_I would especially expect
more from the New York_Times._That statement is_almost libel.

~~~
akamaka
If the claims that they ignored warnings are_correct, I would indeed lay most
of_the blame on_Apple:

[http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/25/researcher-...](http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/25/researcher-
accuses-apple-of-ignoring-icloud-brute-force-attack-for-6-months)

It_may_be the case that_celebrities chose poor passwords, but how_can you
blame them? Did Apple enforce_strong passwords? Did it allow an excessive
password_retry rate? Did it fail to_follow up on warnings from_security
researchers?

Unless the_answer to each of those_questions is "no",_it is_entirely fair to
blame_them.

~~~
gph
I suppose what mostly bugs me_is using the_word hack. Calling something that
appears to_be_targeted social engineering_a_hack_seems wrong_to me. I_guess
the_definition of_hacking_has been rather fluid in recent_years._Course that
word has been redefined and misused_for a very long_time_so I guess I
shouldn't_be surprised.

~~~
transpy
If you can fire_up the Task Manager in windows,_you are_considered a_hacker in
my circle of friends.

------
adventured
"It took nearly 30 years for “The_Joshua Tree,” the 1987 album that_was U2’s
breakout ticket to_megastardom, to_reach_30 million people."

That's_a_bit disingenuous._More people than that would have heard_all the
major_songs off of Joshua Tree on_the radio and on_MTV_in one single market -
the US_- in just the first few_years. U2 was everywhere from_1988_-_1995. It's
very likely