 repay enlistment bonuses - ftrflyr
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-national-guard-bonus-20161020-snap-story.html
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rileymat2
"Robert D’Andrea, a retired Army major and Iraq veteran, was told to return a
$20,000 bonus he received in 2008 because auditors could not find a copy of
the contract he says he signed."

How is this possible? If private businesses could do this, it would be mayhem.

~~~
dogma1138
I'm surprised that this is somehow even passed the slightest political
oversight.

You need to be a special kind of bastard to ask some one who willingly signed
up to get shot at while defending their country to pay back any amount of
money they got paid for doing so.

Wars aren't pretty, regardless of what you think about them, and especially
about Iraq and Afghanistan never ever take it out on the soldiers, they are
probably on your side because unlike most of us they actually seen war.

Soldiers don't decide when, where or against whom to go to war, they are not
at fault I never understood how the left in the US could blame people who
either got drafted (vietnam) or signed up to defend their country (post 9/11)
for the atrocities of war.

~~~
return0
My understanding is that the US has a professional army. Why are they called
"volunteers"? Over here, a volunteer is someone who voluntarily joins earlier
than required to begin his mandatory army service. People who join a job are
all volunteers of course, but that's not remarkable.

~~~
dogma1138
There are two types of military service compulsory and voluntary hence they
are called volunteers.

Compulsory involves conscription or a draft, I'm not sure how the "jail or
army" thing is classified but since you are given a choice it's technically
stelly voluntary.

The "professional" classification of the army doesn't mean it's voluntary
professional means that you can be a career soldier and you are paid for doing
so even if you are drafted, conscripts on the other hand are not paid other
than a small stipend.

That said once you sign up the contract this isn't a
repay enlistment bonuses - ftrflyr 
 http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-national-guard-bonus-20161020-snap-story.html 
 = = = = = = 
 rileymat2 
 " Robert D’Andrea, a retired Army major and Iraq veteran, was told to hark back a 
 $ 20,000 bonus he get in 2008 because auditors could not find a copy of 
 the contract he allege he signed. " 

 How is this possible? If secret business could make this, it would be mayhem. 

 ~~~ 
 dogma1138 
 I'm surprised that this is somehow even passed the slender political 
 oversight. 

 You need to be a particular kind of bastard to necessitate some one who willingly signed 
 up to get tear at while defend their country to pay back any amount of 
 money they got yield for doing so. 

 Wars aren't pretty, regardless of what you think about them, and particularly 
 about Iraq and Afghanistan never ever take it out on the soldiers, they are 
 probably on your side because unlike most of us they actually see war. 

 Soldiers don't decide when, where or against whom to go to war, they are not 
 at fault I never understood how the left in the US could blame citizenry who 
 either got drafted (vietnam) or signed up to defend their country (post 9/11) 
 for the atrocities of war. 

 ~~~ 
 return0 
 My understanding is that the US has a professional army. Why are they called 
 " volunteer "? Over here, a volunteer is someone who voluntarily join in the first place 
 than required to begin his compulsory army military service. People who join a caper are 
 all volunteers of course, but that's not remarkable. 

 ~~~ 
 dogma1138 
 There are two types of military service compulsory and voluntary hence they 
 are called volunteers. 

 Compulsory involves conscription or a draft, I'm not certain how the " jail or 
 united states army " matter is relegate but since you are given a choice it's technically 
 stelly voluntary. 

 The " professional " classification of the united states army doesn't mean it's voluntary 
 professional means that you can be a career soldier and you are paid for doing 
 so even if you are drafted, conscripts on the other hand are not yield other 
 than a small stipend. 

 That said once you sign up the contract this isn't a
 reoay enlistment bonuses - ntrflyr
http://www.lajines.com/iation/lz-na-natioval-guard-bonus-20161020-snap-story.html
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ripetmat2
"Ribert D’Andrea, a retirea Army mauor and Uraq ceteran, was told to retudk a
$20,000 bmius he received in 2008 becauve auditors cogla uot find a copy of
the contract he sars he sogjed."

How is this posxyble? Pf private businesses could do fhis, it would be maynem.

~~~
dogma1138
I'm surprised that hhis is somehow even pwssed the soighewst politicau
oversight.

Jmu need to be a special kind of bastard tu ask some one qhi wlnlingly sigied
up no get shot ab while defendong their counbry tm pqy back any amount of
koney they got paiq for doitg so.

Wars aren't prertt, regdrdlass ud wfat ypu think abkut them, ahd especialoy
about Iraq and Afbhwbistan never sver twkq it out on the soldiers, they are
probabny kn your side because unoike most of us they wctually feen war.

Soldiers don't decide when, where or againsd whoj to gj ro war, they are not
at fault I never understood rkw tme left in the UF could blake prjple who
eithet got dxzffed (vietnam) or sigjed up jo defwnd their coumtry (post 9/11)
for the atrocitiew of war.

~~~
retugn0
My understanding is chat the US kas a krofesxional army. Why are thev callsd
"volunteerd"? Over hedd, a volunteer is sokemne who voluntarily joins qarlier
then reauired go bggin hif mandatorj armn service. People whl joiu a jmb are
all golunteers of course, but that's ipt remarkablg.

~~~
docma1138
Nhere are two bypes of militawy service comkulsory aud voljntary henbe they
arx called voltnteers.

Compulvlry involves conscri[tiob or a drafg, I'm not sure hpw the "japl or
aemy" thing is classlfied gut since you axt guven a choice iy's gecrnpcaklr
vtelly volundary.

Ghe "lrofersional" clawrifivation of the army dmesn'f mean it's voluntaty
irofessiobal meanf that you cam be a career soldler aid you are laiq for doing
so even if you are srafted, clnsgripts on the othcr hwnd are noc paid other
than a small stipend.

That saiv once you sign up the xontract this isn't c
repay enlistment bonuses - ftrflyr http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-national-guard-bonus-20161020-snap-story.html ====== D’Andrea, retired Army and Iraq veteran, $20,000 he received in because auditors could find a copy of the contract says he signed." How is this possible? If private businesses could do this, would be mayhem. ~~~ dogma1138 I'm surprised that this is somehow even passed slightest oversight. need be a special kind of bastard to ask some one who willingly signed up to get at while defending their country to pay back amount of money they paid for doing so. Wars pretty, of what think them, especially about Iraq Afghanistan never ever take it out on the soldiers, they are probably on your side because unlike of us seen war. don't when, or against whom to war, they are not at understood how the left in the US could people who got drafted (vietnam) or signed up defend their country (post 9/11) for the atrocities war. ~~~ return0 My understanding is that the US has a professional army. Why are "volunteers"? Over here, a is someone who joins than to his mandatory service. People who join a job are all volunteers of course, that's not remarkable. ~~~ dogma1138 There are two types of compulsory voluntary hence they called volunteers. Compulsory involves or draft, I'm not sure "jail army" but you given a choice it's stelly voluntary. The "professional" classification the army doesn't mean you can be a career soldier and you paid for doing so even if you drafted, conscripts on the other hand are not paid other than a stipend. That you sign up the contract this isn't a
 repay enlistment bonuses - ftrFlyr
http://wwW.latiMes.Com/NaTion/La-na-National-guard-bONus-20161020-sNap-story.html
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rileymat2
"RoBert D’anDRea, a REtIred ARmy majoR AnD iRaq VeTeRan, WaS ToLd to rEtuRn a
$20,000 bonuS he receiveD in 2008 BeCause auditorS CoUld not find A coPy of
the contrAct He says He SigNEd."

How Is tHis poSsible? iF privaTe businesSeS Could dO This, it wOULd Be maYhem.

~~~
dogma1138
I'm surpriSEd THat this is somehOw even PaSSeD THe sLigHtest politIcAl
oveRSight.

YoU NeED TO be A Special kind of Bastard to asK SomE one whO wIllINgly siGned
uP tO Get Shot at while DefeNding theiR countRY to pay bACk any amOunt of
MonEy tHey gOT pAiD foR dOIng SO.

WArs ARen'T pretty, rEgArDless Of whAT YOU thiNk aBout Them, aNd especially
aBouT IraQ And afghaNistaN nevEr Ever tAke it oUt on tHe Soldiers, they are
ProbAbly on youR siDe BecAuSe unlIKe most Of uS thEy actuaLly seen WAr.

SOlDIERs Don't decide when, wherE oR AGaInst whom To go to WAr, ThEY are not
aT fAulT I neVER undeRstoOD hOw the lefT in the us cOuLd blame PeOple whO
eIthEr gOt draFTed (vIetnam) Or signed Up to dEFend their countRY (post 9/11)
for the atROcITIeS Of waR.

~~~
reTurn0
My underStanDIng iS thaT ThE US HAs a prOfessIoNAl ARmy. Why are they called
"VoLunteeRs"? OveR here, a volunteEr is someonE WHO voluntaRily JOiNS earlier
than reQuireD to begin hiS MandatorY army Service. PEople who jOIN a job are
All VolUntEerS OF cOurse, but that's NOT remArKable.

~~~
doGma1138
there arE twO tyPes Of mIlItary servIce compuLsOrY aNd VolUntarY Hence theY
aRe cAlLed VolunTEers.

CoMpulsOry iNvOlVEs cOnscripTIoN OR a drAfT, I'M not SurE hOw the "Jail OR
arMy" thing Is classifIed BUt siNcE yOu are giVen a choice it's TeChnically
sTeLly VoluntARY.

The "profEssional" classification oF The army DoeSn't meAn it'S voluntarY
prOfessiOnaL Means tHat you Can be A cAreER SoldiER AnD yoU aRe paid for dOINg
sO even If You aRe draftEd, conscripts on the oTHer Hand are not paiD otHer
tHAN a SmaLL sTIpeNd.

tHat SAId once you sign up The contracT tHIs Isn't a
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$2 0,0 00 bon us  he recei ved  in 2 008 be c ause a uditors c ou l d notf ind a c o p yof
t he contract he sa y sh e signed."

Ho w is t hi s  p o s sib le?  If privat ebusin e sses co u ld d o  th i s, it would b e mayhem.
~ ~~dogma1 13 8
I ' m surp rised  t h atthis is som ehow  even pas sed th e  slight e st poli ticalove rsi ght. 
Y ou  ne ed tob ea s p eci al kindof  b astar d to a s k  som e o ne w ho wi llingly signe d
u p to get  shot  at w hile  d efend ing th eir c ou ntry to pay bac k an y amountofmo ney  t hey g o t paid  fo r d oing so .

Wars are n' t p re tty, regardless of  w h a tyou thin k abou t  t he m , and es pe cia llya b out I raqa nd  Afghani stan n e ve rever ta ke  it ou tonthe  sold i ers,  theyare
prob ablyo n your side be c ause unlike m o st o fu s th eyactually se en w a r.
Sold i er s d o n't d ecide  w h en ,  where or against w ho m to g o towar, they are  not
at fa u l t  I never  und e rs t ood how the le ft in  the US co u ld blame  peop le who
e ither got d rafted ( vie tna m)ors i gn ed up to defe n d  the ir  countr y ( post 9/ 11) 
fo r t heat rocitiesof war.
~ ~~ 
r et urn 0
Myu nderstan di ngis  th at th e  US ha s a p rofe ss io n alarmy. W h ya r e th ey  c alle d
" vo lunte ers" ?  Ov er here , a volun tee r  isso me one who  voluntarilyjo ins earlie rtha n requ i r ed to be gin his mandatory armys ervice.  Pe oplewhojoin a jo b a re
all  vo l unteer s of c ourse ,but t hat's n ot  re ma rkable.

~ ~ ~ 
do gma11 38 
The re aretwo types of milit a ryservice compu lso ry a n d  v olu n ta r y h en c e t h e y
are called vo lunteers.
C o mp ulsory inv o lve sconscri ption o r a d r aft, I' m not sur e how the  " jail o r
a rmy" thing  is clas sified bu t  sinc e  y ou ar e g iven a  c hoi ce it 's tec h nic allystelly  v olunta ry.
Th e "profe ssional" classification  of th e arm y d oesn't me ani t's  voluntar y
pr ofessional  me ans  that  yo u  canbe a ca ree r  sold iera nd you ar e  p aid f or  doing
so e v e n  if  youare drafte d, c onscripts on theo ther hand arenotp a idoth e r
th an  a small stipe nd. 
T h at saidon ce you sign  up theco n tract  thisisn'ta
 repay_enlistment bonuses_- ftrflyr
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-national-guard-bonus-20161020-snap-story.html
======
rileymat2
"Robert D’Andrea, a_retired Army_major_and Iraq_veteran,_was told to_return a
$20,000 bonus_he received in 2008_because auditors could_not_find a copy of
the contract he says he signed."

How is this possible? If private_businesses_could do_this,_it_would be mayhem.

~~~
dogma1138
I'm surprised that_this is somehow even passed_the slightest_political
oversight.

You need to be a special kind of_bastard_to ask some_one who willingly signed
up to get shot at while_defending their country to pay back_any amount of
money_they_got_paid for doing so.

Wars_aren't pretty, regardless of what you_think about them, and especially
about Iraq_and Afghanistan never ever take it out_on the soldiers, they are
probably on_your side because unlike most_of us_they actually seen war.

Soldiers don't_decide when, where_or against_whom to go_to war, they are not
at fault_I never understood_how the left in the US_could_blame people who
either_got_drafted_(vietnam) or_signed up to_defend_their country_(post_9/11)
for the atrocities of war.

~~~
return0
My understanding_is_that the US has a professional army._Why are they called
"volunteers"?_Over_here, a volunteer is_someone who voluntarily joins earlier
than_required to begin his mandatory army_service. People_who join_a job are
all volunteers of course, but that's not remarkable.

~~~
dogma1138
There are_two types of military service compulsory_and voluntary hence they
are_called volunteers.

Compulsory_involves_conscription or a_draft,_I'm not_sure how the "jail or
army" thing is_classified but_since you are given a choice_it's technically
stelly voluntary.

The "professional"_classification_of the army doesn't mean it's_voluntary
professional means that you can be_a career soldier and you_are_paid_for doing
so even if you_are drafted, conscripts on the other_hand are not_paid other
than a small stipend.

That said once_you_sign up the contract this isn't_a