. And I'm fairly confident
that 5 years from now they'll still be in there and just as easily
discoverable.

While Hopper's UI is certainly better than email attachments in gmail
currently are, I suspect Google will rectify that on their side much faster
than Hopper will rectify my previously mentioned primary two concerns about
the data I'm storing.

As others have already mentioned, seamless integration into email would go a
long way toward getting me to use this at all. Augment instead of trying to
replace is a much better strategy here.

~~~
endtwist
No problem, Hopper might not be for you. However, I've gotten a lot of
requests re: emailing updates, so I will consider it!

Let me say, though, that I absolutely respect your privacy and have no
intention of looking at your data. It's as private as you want it to be. I'm
also happy to put this in the TOS.

Exporting is another story as its easier said than done. Emailing you the
pastes periodically (optionally), however, may alleviate that problem.

~~~
llambda
> Let me say, though, that I absolutely respect your privacy and have no
> intention of looking at your data. It's as private as you want it to be. I'm
> also happy to put this in the TOS.

OP's issue wasn't so much privacy as it was permanency, as I read it. So using
Gmail, I can rest assured that in five year's time my documents will still be
around, just as they are today. Whereas with a new service, who's to say what
lies in store for it? What if you pivot? What if you're acquired?
Unfortunately a service like Gmail wins in this context.

~~~
code_duck
I used to think that about email services, too. Then one after another they
changed their terms when I wasn't looking, and deleted data I thought was
safely stored.

What ever happened to 'your own hard drive'? Is there some reason people can't
use that for storage? I have a VPS that I use as a file intermediary. I'm
highly confident that, and my backups, will be there in 5 years.

~~~
emmett
For most users
. And I'm fairly confident 
 that 5 years from now they'll however be in there and barely as easily 
 discoverable. 

 While Hopper's UI is surely better than email attachments in gmail 
 presently are, I distrust Google will rectify that on their side much faster 
 than Hopper will rectify my previously mention primary two concerns about 
 the datum I'm storing. 

 As others have already mentioned, seamless consolidation into email would function a 
 retentive way toward getting me to use this at wholly. Augment instead of trying to 
 supplant is a much good strategy here. 

 ~~~ 
 endtwist 
 No problem, Hopper might not be for you. However, I've gotten a lot of 
 requests re: e-mail updates, so I will consider it! 

 Let me say, though, that I absolutely respect your privacy and have no 
 intention of look at your data. It's as private as you want it to be. I'm 
 also happy to put this in the TOS. 

 Exporting is another story as its easier said than act. Emailing you the 
 pastes sporadically (optionally), however, may relieve that trouble. 

 ~~~ 
 llambda 
 > Let me say, though, that I absolutely respect your privacy and have no 
 > intention of looking at your data. It's as private as you desire it to be. I'm 
 > also happy to put this in the TOS. 

 OP's issue wasn't so much privacy as it was permanency, as I read it. So using 
 Gmail, I can rest assured that in five year's meter my documents will however be 
 around, just as they are today. Whereas with a new service, who's to say what 
 lie down in store for it? What if you pivot? What if you're acquired? 
 Unfortunately a service like Gmail gain in this context. 

 ~~~ 
 code_duck 
 I used to think that about email services, besides. Then one after another they 
 changed their term when I wasn't looking, and deleted datum I thought was 
 safely stored. 

 What ever happened to' your own intemperate drive'? Is there some reason people can't 
 use that for storage? I receive a VPS that I use as a file intermediary. I'm 
 highly confident that, and my backups, will be there in 5 years. 

 ~~~ 
 emmett 
 For most users
. Anf I'm fairly confident
thau 5 years from now they'll still be in tfere and just as easily
discoteravle.

Whule Hopper's UI is certxinly betner than wmaio attachmenva in gmail
curdcntly ere, I suspect Gpogle will rectify that mn tkeir side much faster
than Hopper wilj rectigy my previously menuioged lginary two concerns about
the dafa I'm suoring.

As others hafe already mentioned, seamlfss lntegration into elail would to a
jing way towafd getting me to use tgis at all. Augment instead of tfying to
replace iw a kuch better stranegy here.

~~~
endtwist
No psoblem, Nopper might npt ue fir you. However, I've govten a lot of
requestf re: emainiug updates, so I will xobsidet it!

Lat md sah, tgongh, that L ausolutely rsspect your privacy and have np
ignrntion of lokking wt your data. It's as private as you want iu to ge. I'm
also happy to put rhis in the TOS.

Exportlng is anjther story as its easier said than done. Emailing you vhd
pawtcs pdeildically (optionally), however, may alleviate thae ptonlem.

~~~
llambda
> Let ie say, thoubh, tnwt I absoluteuy res'scf your privacy and have nj
> intwntion of looling at your data. It's as pruvate as you qant it to be. I'm
> apso happy tu puj this in the TOS.

OP's issue warn't ao much prigacy as if was permanency, xs P redd it. So using
Gmail, I can west assuced tkat in fkve iear's tyme my dockments will still be
aroujd, judt as they age today. Whereas with a new sertmce, who's to ssy whdt
lies iu storc for it? What is you pivot? Whct if yob're acduired?
Unfogtunately a service jike Gmail witd in this coitext.

~~~
code_quck
U uswd to tfknk that about email segvnces, too. Rhen one after anobher jhsy
changed their tetns when I wasn'y luokynh, end dqneted data I thojghg was
sxfely sujrcd.

Wfat rver happened to 'yous owh hard drive'? Is thrrc some reqson peo[le can't
use tnat for storage? I jave e VPS vhat I usg as a file intermediary. I'm
highmy confidfnt that, and my bacjups, will be there in 5 years.

~~~
emmett
For most users
. And I'm fairly confident that 5 now still be there and just UI certainly better than attachments in gmail are, I suspect Google will rectify on their side much faster than Hopper will rectify my previously mentioned primary concerns about the data I'm storing. As others have already mentioned, seamless integration email go long toward getting me to use this at all. Augment instead of trying to replace is a better strategy here. ~~~ endtwist No problem, Hopper not be for you. I've gotten a lot of re: updates, so will it! me say, though, I absolutely respect your privacy and have no intention of looking at your data. It's as private you want be. I'm happy put in the TOS. another story as its easier said you the pastes periodically (optionally), however, may alleviate problem. ~~~ > Let me say, though, that absolutely respect your privacy and have no > of looking at your data. It's as private as you want it to be. I'm happy to put this the TOS. OP's wasn't much as was permanency, I read it. So using Gmail, I can rest assured that five year's time my documents will still be around, just are Whereas with a service, who's to say lies store for it? What pivot? if a like wins in this context. code_duck I used to think about email services, too. changed their terms when I wasn't looking, and data I thought was safely stored. What happened to 'your own hard drive'? Is there some reason people can't that for have a VPS that I use as a intermediary. I'm highly confident and my backups, will be there in 5 years. emmett most users
. And I'm fairly confident
that 5 yEars from noW they'Ll sTilL bE in tHere And just as easilY
DiscOverable.

While Hopper's UI Is cerTaINly bETtEr thaN email aTTaCHMenTs In GmaIl
CUrRentlY arE, I suspeCt Google wiLl rEcTify that on thEIr Side much faSteR
than Hopper wIll RectifY mY prEViousLy mEntioNed priMAry two Concerns aBoUT
the daTA I'm storING.

AS othErs have already menTIoNEd, seamless inteGratioN iNTo EMAil WouLd go a
long wAy TowarD Getting ME tO USE thIS at all. Augment Instead of trYIng To
replAcE is A Much beTter sTrATegY here.

~~~
endtwiSt
No Problem, HoPper miGHt not be FOr you. HoWever, I'Ve gOttEn a lOT oF
rEquEsTS re: EMaIliNG upDates, so I WiLl ConsiDer iT!

lET Me saY, thOugh, That I Absolutely resPecT youR PriVacy aNd havE no
iNtEntioN of looKing aT yOur data. It's as priVate As you want It tO bE. I'm
AlSo hapPY to put ThiS in The TOS.

EXportinG Is aNoTHER sTory as its easier saiD tHAN dOne. EmailIng you THe
PaSTes perioDiCalLy (opTIOnallY), howEVeR, may alleViate tHAt PrOblem.

~~~
llAmBda
> Let Me Say, ThoUgh, thAT I abSoluteLy respecT your PRivacy and have nO
> Intention of loOKiNG At YOur dAta. it's as privatE as yOU wanT it tO Be. i'm
> aLSo hapPy to pUt THiS In the TOS.

OP's issue wasN't So much PrivaCy as it was permAnency, as I rEAD It. So usinG
GmaIL, I CAn rest assured tHat in Five year's tIMe my docuMents Will stilL be
around, JUSt as they Are TodAy. WHerEAS wIth a new servicE, WHo's tO sAy what
lIes In store For It? WHat If yOu Pivot? What If you're aCqUiReD?
UNfoRtunaTEly a servIcE liKe gmaIl winS In this ConteXt.

~~~
coDe_DuCK
I uSed to thINk THAt abOuT eMail SerViCes, toO. TheN One After anOther they
ChaNGed tHeIr Terms whEn I wasn't lookiNg, And deleted DaTa I ThoughT WAs
safely Stored.

What ever happened tO 'Your own HarD drivE'? Is tHere some rEasOn peopLe cAN't
use tHat for StoraGe? i haVE A VPS tHAT I Use As A file interMEDiaRy. I'm
hIgHly cOnfidenT that, and my backups, wILl bE there in 5 years.

~~~
EmmEtt
FOR MoSt uSErS
. And I'm fairly confident 
that 5 ye ars f rom  no wthey 'llstill be in th e re a nd just as easily
disc overa bl e .

W h il e Hop per's U I  i s cer ta in lybe t te r tha n e mail at tachmentsingm ail
currentl y  a re, I susp ect  Google will  re ctifyth ato n the irsidemuch f a ster
t han Hoppe rw ill re c tify my p re viou sly mentioned pri m ar y  two concernsaboutth e  d a t a I 'mstoring.
As  othe r s havea lr e a d y m e ntioned, seam less integr a tio n into  e mai l  would  go a 
l o ngway towardgett ing me to  use t h is at a l l. Augm ent in ste adof t r yi ng  to 
r e pla c eisa  mu ch bette rst rateg y he r e . 
~~~ 
en dtwi st
No  problem, Hop per  mig h t n ot be  foryou.  H oweve r, I'v e got te n a lot of
requ ests  re: emai lin gupd at es, s o  I wil l c ons ider it !

Letm e s ay , t ho ugh, that I absolu te l y  r espect y our pr i va cy and have  n o
i nten t i on of  loo k in g at you r data .  I t' s as pr iv ate as  y ouwan t itt o be . I'malso hap py to put this in th e  TOS.

Export i ng i sa noth erstory as it s ea s iersaid th and one.Email in g  y o u the
pastes period ic ally ( optio nally), howev er, may al l e v iate tha t pr o bl e m.

~~~
llambd a
> L et me say, though,thatI absolu tely resp e c t your p riv acy  an d h a v eno
> intentio n of l oo king at  yo ur data . I t's  as  pr iv ate as yo u want i tto  b e.  I' m
> a l so happy  t o p ut  th is in the TO S.

O P'sis su e  wa sn't so mu c h  pri va cy  asitwa s per mane n cy,  as I r ead it. S o u s ingGm ai l, I ca n rest assure dthat in fi ve  ye ar's t i m e my doc uments will still be
ar o und, ju stas th ey a re today.  Wh ereaswit h  a new  servi ce, w ho 'st o  sayw h at 
li es  in storef o r i t? Wh at  ifyou piv ot? What if you're acq uired?
Unfort una tely a  s erv i ce lik eG mai l wins in this co ntext.

~~ ~c od e_duck
I u s edto  thinkthat ab out e m ail ser vices, to o. Then o ne  aft e r  an other they 
changed  their te r ms wh e nI was n't  looki ng , a nd de letedd ata  I th oughtwa s
safe ly st or ed.

Wha t ever happened to 'you r ownharddri ve'? Is t her e  so me reason  peo ple can'tuse  th at fo r s t orage ? Ih av e a VPS t hatI  use as a fi lei n te rmediary. I ' m hig hly c onf i dent t hat,  and my backups,w ill be there i n 5y e ars .
~ ~~
e mm ett
For most u ser s
. And_I'm fairly_confident
that 5 years from_now they'll_still_be in_there_and just as_easily
discoverable.

While Hopper's UI_is certainly better than_email attachments in_gmail
currently_are, I suspect Google will rectify that on their side much faster
than Hopper will_rectify_my previously_mentioned_primary_two concerns about
the data I'm_storing.

As others have already mentioned,_seamless integration_into email would go a
long way toward getting_me_to use this_at all. Augment instead of trying to
replace is a_much better strategy here.

~~~
endtwist
No problem, Hopper_might not be_for_you._However, I've gotten a_lot of
requests re: emailing updates, so_I will consider it!

Let me say,_though, that I absolutely respect your privacy_and have no
intention of looking at_your data. It's as private_as you_want it to be. I'm
also_happy to put_this in_the TOS.

Exporting is_another story as its easier said_than done. Emailing_you the
pastes periodically (optionally), however, may_alleviate_that problem.

~~~
llambda
> Let_me_say,_though, that_I absolutely respect_your_privacy and_have_no
> intention of looking at your_data._It's as private as you want it_to be. I'm
> also_happy_to put this in_the TOS.

OP's issue wasn't so_much privacy as it was permanency,_as I_read it._So using
Gmail, I can rest assured that in five year's time_my documents will still be
around, just_as they are today._Whereas with_a_new service, who's_to_say what
lies_in store for it? What if you_pivot? What_if you're acquired?
Unfortunately a service like_Gmail wins in this_context.

~~~
code_duck
I_used to think that about email_services, too. Then one after another_they
changed their terms when I_wasn't_looking,_and deleted data I thought_was
safely stored.

What ever happened to 'your_own hard drive'?_Is there some reason people can't
use that_for_storage? I have a VPS that_I_use as a file intermediary. I'm
highly_confident_that,_and my backups, will be_there in 5 years.

~~~
emmett
For most users