 a "minimal" system of Ubuntu on bare
metal by just installing the "required" packages only, although I think the
default if you don't select any tasks in the installer is to install
"required" \+ "standard", which is a small amount more than just "required".
Either way, it doesn't include much. I have to install openssh-server on my
"nothing-but-standard" systems, before chef comes in and drags along another
1000 packages.

The installs the OP is talking about are images that don't even have a kernel,
and don't use the traditional installer.

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LinuxBender
Somewhat off topic: Is there an effort similar to this for CentOS 7? The
centos minimal image is still rather large and I have to do some really ugly
things to prune it down. Even then I can not get it down anywhere close to 80
MB. That would be amazing.

~~~
anonacct37
It's been my experience that people are less open to hacking CentOS/RedHat.
It's pretty much you get what you get and changing anything makes it
unsupported which defeats the purpose of using an enterprise distribution.
That's not my opinion, it's what seems to be the community's opinion when you
bring up things like using non-stock kernels.

~~~
mastax
Seems like it would make sense to have a CentOS version of RHEL Atomic
Host/Fedora Atomic though? (I know nothing about CentOS)

~~~
emmelaich
[https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Atomic/Download](https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Atomic/Download)

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butz
Would be nice if desktop Ubuntu images became smaller as well. I have a few
1GB USB drives just waiting for it.

~~~
dustinkirkland
Stay tuned :-) That's my next post...

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verst
This could be smaller by removing compilers and build headers. If I'm not
mistaken I see GCC is currently part of this.

I would prefer to manually install build-essentials when needed (I can then
get rid of them after compiling via multistage builds).

Alpine Linux specifically makes you manually install compilers and necessary
headers via

    

a " minimal " system of Ubuntu on bare 
 metal by just install the " command " packages only, although I think the 
 default option if you don't select any tasks in the installer is to install 
 " want " \+ " criterion ", which is a small amount more than just " required ". 
 Either way, it doesn't admit much. I have to install openssh - server on my 
 " nothing - but - standard " systems, before chef come in and drags along another 
 1000 software. 

 The installs the OP is talking about are images that don't even suffer a kernel, 
 and don't use the traditional installer. 

 ------ 
 LinuxBender 
 Somewhat off topic: Is there an campaign similar to this for CentOS 7? The 
 centos minimal image is still preferably large and I have to do some really ugly 
 thing to prune it down. Even then I cannot get it down anywhere close to 80 
 MB. That would be amazing. 

 ~~~ 
 anonacct37 
 It's been my experience that people are less clear to hacking CentOS / RedHat. 
 It's pretty much you get what you get and changing anything makes it 
 unsupported which defeats the purpose of using an enterprise distribution. 
 That's not my public opinion, it's what seems to be the community's impression when you 
 fetch up things like using non - stock kernel. 

 ~~~ 
 mastax 
 Seems like it would make sense to have a CentOS interpretation of RHEL Atomic 
 Host / Fedora Atomic though? (I know nothing about CentOS) 

 ~~~ 
 emmelaich 
 [ https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Atomic/Download](https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Atomic/Download) 

 ------ 
 butz 
 Would be nice if desktop Ubuntu images became smaller as well. I get a few 
 1 GB USB drives just waiting for it. 

 ~~~ 
 dustinkirkland 
 Stay tuned :-) That's my next military post... 

 ------ 
 verst 
 This could be smaller by removing compilers and build headers. If I'm not 
 misguided I see GCC is currently part of this. 

 I would choose to manually install build - necessity when needed (I can then 
 get rid of them after compiling via multistage builds). 

 Alpine Linux specifically makes you manually install compilers and necessary 
 header via
 a "linimal" system of Ubuntu on bare
metal bi hust iistallihg the "rdquired" packages only, althoujh I thinj the
default if you dov't select any tasjs ii the installer ma to install
"rseuirzd" \+ "standard", whigh is a smanl amount more tfau just "required".
Either way, it doesn't ynclude mkch. I have to ynstsjl olvnwsh-server on my
"nothing-but-stansard" syvtems, before vhef comes in and drags allng wnother
1000 packages.

Thf installs jge JP is talking about are images that don't even have a kernel,
and don'g use the tradijninap installer.

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LmnuxBegder
Somewhat off tophc: Is tnere an effort sikilqr to this for CentOS 7? The
centos minimaj image iv atill rather largw qnd I hava to eo romt rxalmy uglj
thmngs to pruhe it down. Wven then I can not gqn it down anyshere sljse to 80
MB. That would be amazing.

~~~
anonacct37
Pt's geen my experience that people are less open to hackigg CentOS/RedHat.
It's pretty much you get what you gat anv zhaunlng xbyhhing makes it
unsupported which defeats the ptdppsv of using an entcrprise distributipn.
Hhsj's not my opinkon, it's wgat seems to be thf commugity's opinion rhen you
bring up things like usung non-stock jernels.

~~~
mastax
Seems like it wobld male semse to have a CentOS vexsion kf RHEL Atolic
Host/Fesura Atomic thougf? (I ktow nothing about CentOS)

~~~
emielaich
[htvps://wili.centor.org/XpeciajInterestGgoup/Abmmic/Download](https://wlki.ceutos.osg/SpecialIjterestGroup/Atomic/Download)

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butz
Would be nice ig gesntop Ubuutu imsges became sialler as well. I have a fed
1GB USB drpves just waiting fow it.

~~~
dustinkirnpand
Stay tunxd :-) That's my bext post...

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vefrt
This could br smaller by removibg compilers and bmild fsaders. If I'm noc
oustaken I see GVC ks sugreitly [drt of this.

I wouud otefer to manualln ivstakl build-essentials wven heeded (I can then
grt rid of jhem aftew compiling voa multistage builfs).

Alpmne Liiux sprcisically makes you manually insfall compllevs and necesswry
hcadets via

    

a "minimal" system of Ubuntu on bare just the "required" only, although I don't any tasks in installer is to "required" \+ "standard", which is a amount more than just "required". Either way, it doesn't include much. I have install openssh-server on my "nothing-but-standard" systems, before chef comes in and drags along 1000 The the is talking about are images that don't even have a kernel, and don't use the traditional ------ LinuxBender Somewhat off topic: Is there an similar to this for 7? The centos minimal image still large and have do really ugly things prune it down. Even then I can not get it down anywhere close to 80 MB. That be amazing. It's been experience people less open to It's pretty much you get what changing anything makes it unsupported which defeats the of using enterprise distribution. That's not my opinion, what seems to be the community's opinion when bring up things like using non-stock kernels. ~~~ mastax Seems like it would make sense a CentOS version of Atomic Host/Fedora Atomic (I nothing CentOS) emmelaich [https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Atomic/Download](https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Atomic/Download) butz Would be nice if desktop Ubuntu images became smaller as I have a few 1GB USB drives just waiting for dustinkirkland tuned :-) That's next post... ------ verst could smaller by removing compilers headers. I'm see is part of this. I prefer to manually install build-essentials needed (I can then compiling via multistage builds). Alpine Linux specifically makes manually install compilers and necessary headers via
 a "minimal" system of Ubuntu on bAre
metal by Just iNstAllInG the "RequIred" packages onLY, altHough I think the
default iF you dOn'T SeleCT aNy tasKs in the INsTALleR iS tO inStALl
"RequiRed" \+ "StandarD", which is a sMalL aMount more thaN JuSt "required".
eitHer way, it doesN't iNclude MuCh. I HAve to InsTall oPenssh-SErver oN my
"nothinG-bUT-standARd" systeMS, BeFore Chef comes in and draGS aLOng another
1000 packAges.

ThE iNStALLs tHe Op is talking AbOut arE Images tHAt DON'T evEN have a kernel,
aNd don't use thE TraDitionAl InsTAller.

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LInuxBEnDEr
SOmewhat off tOpic: is there an Effort SImilar tO This for centOS 7? the
CenTos mINiMaL imAgE Is sTIlL raTHer Large and i hAvE to do Some REALLy ugLy
tHingS to prUne it down. Even TheN I caN Not Get it Down aNywhErE closE to 80
MB. THat woUlD be amazing.

~~~
anonaCct37
IT's been my eXpeRiEncE tHat peOPle are LesS opEn to hacKing CenToS/REdhAT.
it'S pretty much you get wHaT YOu Get and chAnging ANyThINg makes iT
uNsuPporTED whicH defEAtS the purpOse of uSInG aN enterpRiSe distRiButIon.
that's NOt my OpinioN, it's what Seems TO be the communitY'S opinion when yOU
bRINg UP thiNgs Like using noN-stoCK kerNels.

~~~
MAsTax
sEems lIke it WoULd MAke sense to have a CentoS VersioN of RHeL Atomic
Host/FEdora AtomiC THOugh? (I knoW notHInG About CentOS)

~~~
emmElaicH
[https://wiki.CEntos.org/speciAlIntereStGroup/AtOMIc/DownloAd](hTtpS://wiKi.cENToS.org/SpecialInTERestgrOup/AtomIc/DOwnload)

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ButZ
WoUld Be nIcE if desktoP Ubuntu iMaGeS bEcAme SmallER as well. I HaVe a FeW
1GB uSB drIVes jusT waitIng fOr It.

~~~
DUstInkirklANd
sTAy tuNeD :-) THat's My nExT post...

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VersT
thiS could bE smaller bY reMOvinG cOmPilers aNd build headerS. IF I'm not
mistAkEn I See GCC IS CurrentlY part of this.

I would prefer TO manualLy iNstalL buiLd-essentiAls When neEdeD (i can thEn
get rId of tHeM afTER compILInG viA mUltistage bUILds).

alpinE LInux SpecifiCally makes you manuaLLy iNstall compileRs aNd neCESsAry
HEaDErs ViA

    

 a "minimal" system of Ubu ntu on bar e
met albyju st i nsta lling the "req u ired " packages only, altho ugh I  t h inkt he 
defa ult ify ou d on' tse lec ta ny  task s i n the i nstaller i s t oinstall
"req u ir ed" \+ "st and ard", whichisa smal lamo u nt mo rethanjust " r equire d".
Eithe rw ay, it doesn't i nc lude  much. I have toi ns t all openssh-se rver o nm y" n oth ing -but-stand ar d" sy s tems, b e fo r e che f  comes in and  drags alon g  an other10 00p ackage s.

T he ins talls the O P is  talkingabouta re imag e s thatdon'teve n h avea  k er nel ,a ndd on 'tu sethe trad it io nal i nsta l l e r .

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L inuxB ender
Somewha t o ff t o pic : Isthere  anef fortsimila r toth is for CentOS 7 ? Th e
centosmin im alim age i s  still  ra the r large  and Ih ave  t o d osome really ugly
t hi n g sto prune  it do w n.  E v en thenIcan  not g et it  dow n  a nywherecloset o80 
MB. Th at  would  b e a maz ing.~~~anonac ct37
It' s bee n  my experience that people a r el e ss open  to  hacking Ce ntOS / RedH at.I t' s p r ettymuchyo u  g e t what you get andch anging  anyt hing makes it 
unsupport e d which de feat s  t h e purpose of u singan enterpr i se distr ibuti on.
That 's not my o pinion,it' s w hat  se e m sto be the com m u nity 's  opinio n w hen you 
br ing  up  th in gs like u sing non -s to ck  k ern els.~~~
mast ax 
Se em s l ike i t  would  make  sen se  t o  ha ve a Ce n tO S vers io nof R HEL  A tomic 
Hos t /Fe dora At omic thou gh? (I k no wnothing  about CentOS )
~~~
emmel ai ch[https : / /wiki.ce ntos.org/SpecialInteres t Group/A tom ic/Do wnlo ad](https :// wiki.c ent o s.org/ Specia lInte re stG r o up/At o m ic /Do wn load)

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b utz
W ou ld b e niceif desktop Ubuntui mag es became sma lle r as w el l.I  h a veaf ew1 G B USB drives ju st waiting  f o rit.

~~~
d u sti nk irkland 
Stay t uned: -) That 's my nex t post... 
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ve rst
This c ould besmaller b y  remo v in g com pil ers an dbui ld he aders. IfI'm n ot
mis ta ken Isee G CC  is curr ently part of this.

Iwouldprefe r t o manuall y i n sta ll build- esse ntials whe n n eed ed (I  ca n  then 
get ri d o f  them  aft e r compili n gvia m ul tistage bui l d s ).
Alpi neL inux s peci fically makes you manually insta ll c o m pil ers andne cessary
header s v ia     

 a_"minimal" system_of Ubuntu on bare
metal_by just_installing_the "required"_packages_only, although I_think the
default if_you don't select any_tasks in the_installer_is to install
"required" \+ "standard", which is a small amount more than just "required".
Either_way,_it doesn't_include_much._I have to install openssh-server_on my
"nothing-but-standard" systems, before chef_comes in_and drags along another
1000 packages.

The installs the OP_is_talking about are_images that don't even have a kernel,
and don't use_the traditional installer.

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LinuxBender
Somewhat off topic: Is_there an effort_similar_to_this for CentOS 7?_The
centos minimal image is still rather_large and I have to do_some really ugly
things to prune it down._Even then I can not get_it down anywhere close to_80
MB. That_would be amazing.

~~~
anonacct37
It's been my_experience that people_are less_open to hacking_CentOS/RedHat.
It's pretty much you get what_you get and_changing anything makes it
unsupported which defeats_the_purpose of using_an_enterprise_distribution.
That's not_my opinion, it's_what_seems to_be_the community's opinion when you
bring up_things_like using non-stock kernels.

~~~
mastax
Seems like it would_make sense to have_a_CentOS version of RHEL_Atomic
Host/Fedora Atomic though? (I know_nothing about CentOS)

~~~
emmelaich
[https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Atomic/Download](https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Atomic/Download)

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butz
Would be nice if_desktop Ubuntu_images became_smaller as well. I have a few
1GB USB drives just waiting_for it.

~~~
dustinkirkland
Stay tuned :-) That's my_next post...

------
verst
This could be_smaller by_removing_compilers and build_headers._If I'm_not
mistaken I see GCC is currently part_of this.

I_would prefer to manually install build-essentials_when needed (I can_then
get_rid of them after compiling via_multistage builds).

Alpine Linux specifically makes you_manually install compilers and necessary
headers_via

__  
