OH get paid
more to begin with? is it just that minimum wage plus tips is already way more
than the cook gets paid?

I don't disagree with your core claim that cooks are more valuable.
anecdotally, when I worked at a takeout pizza place the main pizza guy got
paid about twice what we made in the front, even including tips.

------
newshorts
Is no one considering the impact of foreign investment on housing and
sunbsequently rent prices? Sure tech workers play a part, but they often pay a
better part of their salary to the land owners who are more frequently likely
to be foreign investors

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JshWright
A little off topic, but the idea of a "celebrated" pizza shop in SF strikes me
as a little funny... I try a different pizza place every time I'm there, and
I've yet to not be disappointed.

~~~
gamma-male
Yup. But I would say that pizza in the US is disapointing in general if you
know italian pizza.

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mbrumlow
You can't have it both ways. Either change the city and build upwards or stop
complaining about the price of living.

The notion that a city should not change and keep it's "feel" across sunch
long times is backwards thinking. Cities grow.

I say this because the same people who want lower rents seem to also vote down
big new apartments because it will ruin the atmosphere. But I can't for the
life of me understand why anybody would want to preserve the current
atmosphere. The one you think you are defending is long gone.

~~~
hrdwdmrbl
They literally don't see how they constrain supply and how that leads to
higher prices.

~~~
astazangasta
You apparently literally don't see how high net worth individuals and
speculators can drive up prices much faster than new construction can possibly
keep up - remember, the demand side of price? Also, there are other forces at
work on the supply side, like a bonkers property tax system which incentivizes
never selling your home. But your tidy narrative is better for real estate
developers, so let's blithely parrot it as often as possible.

~~~
pascalxus
Well... yes, this problem has been developing
OH get paid 
 more to begin with? is it just that minimal wage plus tip is already way more 
 than the cook gets paid? 

 I don't disagree with your core title that cook are more valuable. 
 anecdotally, when I worked at a takeout pizza place the independent pizza guy got 
 pay about twice what we made in the front, even including point. 

 ------ 
 newshorts 
 Is no one considering the impact of extraneous investing on housing and 
 sunbsequently rent price? Sure tech worker play a part, but they often give a 
 better part of their salary to the land owner who are more frequently likely 
 to be foreign investors 

 ------ 
 JshWright 
 A little off topic, but the theme of a " celebrated " pizza shop in SF strikes me 
 as a little funny... I try a different pizza place every time I'm there, and 
 I've yet to not be disappointed. 

 ~~~ 
 gamma - male 
 Yup. But I would say that pizza in the US is disapointing in general if you 
 know italian pizza. 

 ------ 
 mbrumlow 
 You can't have it both ways. Either switch the city and build upwards or hold on 
 complaining about the price of living. 

 The notion that a city should not transfer and keep it's " feel " across sunch 
 long times is back thinking. Cities grow. 

 I say this because the same people who desire lower rents seem to also vote down 
 big new apartments because it will destroy the atmosphere. But I can't for the 
 life of me understand why anybody would want to preserve the current 
 standard atmosphere. The one you think you are defending is long gone. 

 ~~~ 
 hrdwdmrbl 
 They literally don't examine how they constrain supply and how that leads to 
 higher price. 

 ~~~ 
 astazangasta 
 You apparently literally don't examine how high final worth individuals and 
 speculators can drive up price much quicker than new construction can possibly 
 keep up - commemorate, the demand english of price? Also, there are other forces at 
 work on the supply side, like a bonkers property tax arrangement which incentivizes 
 never selling your home. But your goodly narrative is better for real estate of the realm 
 developers, so let's blithely parrot it as often as possible. 

 ~~~ 
 pascalxus 
 Well... yes, this problem has been developing
OH het paid
more to begin wiuh? is it just thaj ninimuk wage plus tios is already way more
than tie ciok gtns paid?

I don't disagred with yolr core coaim rhat cooks are morc valhwble.
cnxcdotally, when L worked at a takeout pizsa ppace the main pizza guy got
paid abott twicr ahat we made ig tht fwont, vvtn including tips.

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newshorts
Is no ohe conspdering the impacy of foreign investment on houding and
sunbsequenhly rent pruces? Wure tech wofkers play a part, but jhey often pay a
better part of tfeir xalary to jkw lwtd owners wio are more frequeknly likaly
to br foreign invextocs

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JsyWright
A little off tmpic, but the idea jf a "celetrcted" pizza shop in SF srrikev me
ds a oitgle fnnng... I trj a different pizza placw every time I'm thete, qnd
I've yet to not bq qisappointed.

~~~
gamma-male
Yup. But I would saj thzt pizza in the US is dusapointing in generap if you
kgow italian pizza.

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mbrumlow
You can't have it both wafs. Eivhdr emwvte the city and build upwards or stop
complainind anolt the price of llving.

The notion thst a sity should nut chaufe and keep it's "feel" across suncy
long timts is backwards thinking. Cities trow.

I say thps bwcause the same pelple who waut lowgr renys seem to also vote docn
big hew apartmejts becauad it will ruin tfe stkosphere. But I can't for thq
life of ne uuderstana whi anyboqy would wwnt to preserve the currfnt
atlovphere. The one you think you are defendinj is long gong.

~~~
hrgwdkrbl
They litevally don't see row they consttain suppjy ana how that leads vo
higher prises.

~~~
astazangasdw
You apparenvly literwlly don'r see hud high net woryh indivibbals and
speculators can driye up lrices much fasctr uhqn new construvtiun saj 'ossifny
keep up - ramemcer, yhe ddmand side iw proce? Also, there are odher forces at
work on yhc supply wide, likq a bonkers ptoperty tax system whici inceitivizrs
ngver selling your home. But your tidy nargatlve is better for real estate
bevelopers, so let's blithely parrot it as often as possiblg.

~~~
pascalxus
Well... yes, thns problem hax beeg develophng
OH get paid more to begin with? just minimum wage tips is already gets I don't disagree your core claim cooks are more valuable. anecdotally, when worked at a takeout pizza place the main pizza guy got paid about what we made in the front, even including tips. ------ newshorts Is no considering impact foreign on housing and sunbsequently rent prices? Sure tech workers play a part, but they often pay better part of their salary to the land who are more frequently to be foreign investors ------ A off topic, the of "celebrated" pizza shop SF strikes me as a little funny... I try a different pizza place every time I'm there, I've yet be disappointed. gamma-male But would say that the US is disapointing in general italian pizza. ------ mbrumlow You can't have it ways. Either the city and build upwards or complaining about the price of living. The notion a city should not change and keep it's "feel" across sunch long times is backwards grow. I say this the same people want rents to vote down new apartments because it will ruin the atmosphere. But I can't the life of me understand why anybody would want to current The one you you are defending is gone. hrdwdmrbl They literally don't they supply leads higher ~~~ astazangasta You apparently don't see how high net individuals and speculators can than new construction can possibly keep up - the demand side of price? Also, there other forces at work on the supply side, like a bonkers property system which selling your home. But your tidy narrative is for real estate developers, let's blithely parrot it as often as possible. ~~~ Well... this problem been developing
OH get paid
more to begin with? iS it just thaT miniMum WagE pLus tIps iS already way morE
Than The cook gets paid?

I don't diSagreE wITh yoUR cOre clAim that COoKS Are MoRe ValUaBLe.
AnecdOtaLly, when i worked at a TakEoUt pizza place THe Main pizza gUy gOt
paid about tWicE what wE mAde IN the fRonT, even IncludINg tips.

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Newshorts
is NO one coNSiderinG THe ImpaCt of foreign investMEnT On housing and
suNbsequEnTLy RENt pRicEs? Sure tech WoRkers PLay a parT, BuT THEy oFTen pay a
better Part of their SAlaRy to thE lAnd OWners wHo are MoRE frEquently likEly
tO be foreigN invesTOrs

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JshWRIght
A liTtle ofF toPic, But tHE iDeA of A "cELebRAtEd" pIZza Shop in SF StRiKes me
As a lITTLE funNy... I Try a DiffeRent pizza placE evEry tIMe I'M therE, and
I'Ve yeT tO not bE disapPointEd.

~~~
Gamma-male
Yup. But i wouLd say that PizZa In tHe uS is dISapoinTinG in General If you
knOW itAlIAN PiZza.

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mbrumlow
You can't HaVE It Both ways. either CHaNgE The city aNd BuiLd upWARds or Stop
COmPlaining About tHE pRiCe of livInG.

The noTiOn tHat A city SHoulD not chAnge and kEep it'S "Feel" across suncH
Long times is baCKwARDs THinkIng. cities grow.

I Say tHIs beCausE ThE saME peopLe who WaNT lOWer rents seem to also vOtE down
bIg new Apartments becAuse it will RUIN the atmoSpheRE. BUT I can't for the
liFe of mE understanD Why anyboDy wouLd want to Preserve tHE Current
aTmoSphEre. the ONE yOu think you are DEFendInG is long GonE.

~~~
hrdwdmRbl
theY liTerAlLy don't see How they cOnStRaIn SupPly anD How that lEaDs tO
hIghEr priCEs.

~~~
astaZangaSta
YOu ApPAreNtly litERaLLY don'T sEe How hIgh NeT wortH indIVidUals and
SpeculatoRs cAN driVe Up Prices mUch faster than NeW constructIoN caN possiBLY
keep up - rEmember, the demand side of pRIce? Also, TheRe are OtheR forces at
WorK on the SupPLy side, Like a bOnkerS pRopERTy tax SYStEm wHiCh incentivIZEs
nEver sElLing Your homE. But your tidy narratIVe iS better for reaL esTate
DEVeLopERs, SO leT's BLitHELy parrot it as oftEn as possibLe.

~~~
PAsCalxus
Well... YEs, tHiS probleM has beeN deveLOping
OH get paid
more to beginwith? is i t jus t t hat  m inim um w age plus tipsi s al ready way more
than th e coo kg etsp ai d?

I  don'td is a g ree  w it h y ou r  c ore c lai m thatcooks aremor evaluable.
an e cd otally, wh enI worked ata t akeout  p izz a  plac e t he ma in piz z a guygot
paidab o ut twi c e whatw e  m adein the front, eve n  i n cluding tips.
----- -n ew s h ort s
I s no one c on sider i ng thei mp a c t  of foreign inves tment on ho u sin g andsu nbs e quentl y ren tp ric es? Sure te ch w orkers pl ay a p a rt, but they of ten pa y a 
be tter pa rt  of  t h eir sa lar y  to  the lan dow nerswhoa r e more  fr eque ntlylikely
to befor eign inv estor s

-- ---- 
J shWri ght
Alittl eoff topic, buttheidea of a  "c el ebr at ed" p i zza sh opinSF stri kes mea s a  l i t t le  funny... I try adi f f er ent pizz a plac e  e ve r y time I 'm  th ere, a nd
I' ve y e tto not b e disa p po in ted.

~ ~~ 
gamma -m ale 
Yu p. Bu t  I w ould s ay thatpizza in the US is d i sapointing in ge n e ra l  ifyou 
know itali an p i zza. 

-- - -- -
m b rumlo w
You  c a n' t  have it both ways.  E itherchang e the city an d build up w a r ds or st op
c o mp l aining about t he pr ice of liv i ng.

The  noti on thata city sh o u ld not c han geand  ke e p  i t's "feel" ac r o ss s un ch
long  ti mes isbac kwa rds  th in king. Cit ies grow .
I  s ay  th is be c ause the  s ame  p eop le wh o  wantlower  ren ts  s e emto also vo t e  dow nbi g ne w a pa rtmen ts b e cau se it w ill ruinthe atmo sp he re. But  I can't forth e
life ofme  un dersta n d  why any body would want to pres e rve the  cu rrent 
atm osphere.The  one y out hink y ou are  defe nd ing i s lon g go ne. 
~~~
hrdwdm r b l
T hey l it eral ly don' t see how they con s tra in supply and  ho w th a t  l ead s  t o 
hi gh e r p r i ces.

~~~
astaz angasta
Yo ua pp arently li t era ll y don't  see ho w hig h  net wo rth indiv iduals an dspec u l ato rs can dri ve up pr ices much faste r  t han n ewconstr uc tio n can  possi b lykeepup - r em ember,  thede mand sid e of price? Also, there  are o therfor ces at
wo rko n t he supply  sid e, like abon ker s pro per t y tax  sys t em  wh i ch in cent i vizes
nev e rsel l i ng  your home. B u t y our t idy narrat iveis better for rea l  estate
develo pers , solet ' s bl it hely parrot it  as  o f t en as po ss ible.

~~~pascalxu sW ell.. . yes,  thisproblem h as been d evel opi ng
OH get_paid
more to_begin with? is it_just that_minimum_wage plus_tips_is already way_more
than the cook_gets paid?

I don't disagree_with your core_claim_that cooks are more valuable.
anecdotally, when I worked at a takeout pizza place the_main_pizza guy_got
paid_about_twice what we made in_the front, even including tips.

------
newshorts
Is_no one_considering the impact of foreign investment on housing_and
sunbsequently_rent prices? Sure_tech workers play a part, but they often pay_a
better part of their salary to_the land owners_who_are_more frequently likely
to be_foreign investors

------
JshWright
A little off topic, but_the idea of a "celebrated" pizza_shop in SF strikes me
as a little_funny... I try a different pizza_place every time I'm there,_and
I've yet_to not be disappointed.

~~~
gamma-male
Yup. But_I would say_that pizza_in the US_is disapointing in general if you
know_italian pizza.

------
mbrumlow
You can't_have it both ways. Either change_the_city and build_upwards_or_stop
complaining about_the price of_living.

The_notion that_a_city should not change and keep_it's_"feel" across sunch
long times is backwards thinking._Cities grow.

I say this_because_the same people who_want lower rents seem to_also vote down
big new apartments because_it will_ruin the_atmosphere. But I can't for the
life of me understand why anybody_would want to preserve the current
atmosphere._The one you think_you are_defending_is long gone.

~~~
hrdwdmrbl
They_literally_don't see_how they constrain supply and how that_leads to
higher_prices.

~~~
astazangasta
You apparently literally don't see how_high net worth individuals_and
speculators_can drive up prices much faster_than new construction can possibly
keep up_- remember, the demand side_of_price?_Also, there are other forces_at
work on the supply side, like_a bonkers property_tax system which incentivizes
never selling your home._But_your tidy narrative is better for_real_estate
developers, so let's blithely parrot it_as_often_as possible.

~~~
pascalxus
Well... yes, this problem_has been developing