 and at one stage dominated the farming practices of Europe.

from [https://www.britannica.com/topic/Norfolk-four-course-
system](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Norfolk-four-course-system)

> In the Norfolk four-course system, wheat was grown in the first year,
> turnips in the second, followed by barley, with clover and ryegrass
> undersown, in the third. The clover and ryegrass were grazed or cut for feed
> in the fourth year. The turnips were used for feeding cattle and sheep in
> the winter. This new system was cumulative in effect, for the fodder crops
> eaten by the livestock produced large supplies of previously scarce animal
> manure, which in turn was richer because the animals were better fed. When
> the sheep grazed the fields, their waste fertilized the soil, promoting
> heavier cereal yields in following years.

~~~
stinos
> dates back to the 17th century

Note that crop rotation itself (2 course/3 course) is much, much older. And
Wikipedia claims it was first done in the 16th century in what now is Belgium.

Actually, there are a bunch of things presented as 'new' in the article while
I read nothing which I never read before, and many of the solutions bascialy
come down to 'do it as our ancestors did it' so it's not all that new either.
The vast scale of it though is new. And the rigid economic system attached to
it.

~~~
Twirrim
2 course / 3 course used to rely on fallow periods, IIRC, though it's been
more than 20 years since I covered this in school :)

What's so significant about all this stuff is that this agrarian revolution
lead to greater food productivity, increasing populations, and started to
increase the labour pool available for other tasks. This stuff basically kick
started the eventual industrial revolution. That's part of why it's so strange
to see it coming around again

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seiferteric
What about the fact that our agriculture system is (mostly) open loop? Every
time you harvest food and consume it, where do the waste products end up? I
think we need to also work on closing this loop.

and at one stage dominated the farming practices of Europe. 

 from [ https://www.britannica.com/topic/Norfolk-four-course- 
 system](https://www.britannica.com / topic / Norfolk - four - path - arrangement) 

 > In the Norfolk four - course system, wheat was grow in the first year, 
 > turnip in the second gear, followed by barley, with clover and rye grass 
 > undersown, in the third gear. The clover and ryegrass were graze or cut for feed 
 > in the fourth year. The turnip were use for feeding cattle and sheep in 
 > the winter. This newfangled system was cumulative in consequence, for the fodder crops 
 > eaten by the livestock produce large supplies of previously scarce animal 
 > manure, which in turn was richer because the animal were better feed. When 
 > the sheep grazed the fields, their waste inseminate the soil, promoting 
 > heavier cereal yields in following years. 

 ~~~ 
 stinos 
 > dates back to the 17th century 

 Note that crop rotation itself (2 course/3 course) is much, much older. And 
 Wikipedia claims it was first act in the 16th century in what immediately is Belgium. 

 Actually, there be a bunch of things presented as' newfangled' in the article while 
 I read nothing which I never read before, and many of the solutions bascialy 
 derive down to' do it as our ancestors did it' so it's not all that new either. 
 The vast plate of it though is new. And the rigid economic system attached to 
 it. 

 ~~~ 
 Twirrim 
 2 course / 3 course used to trust on fallow period, IIRC, though it's been 
 more than 20 years since I covered this in school :) 

 What's so significant about all this material is that this agrarian revolution 
 lead to greater food productivity, increasing populations, and started to 
 increase the labour pool available for other job. This stuff basically kick 
 start the eventual industrial revolution. That's part of why it's thus strange 
 to attend it coming about again 

 ------ 
 seiferteric 
 What about the fact that our agriculture organization is (mostly) open loop? Every 
 time you harvest food and devour it, where do the waste products end up? I 
 think we want to also work on closing this loop.
 anf at one stage dominated the farming prcxtices of Eudope.

from [https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nlrdolk-fiur-course-
system](https://wwd.britanniba.com/topix/Norholk-four-course-system)

> In bke Nodnolk yonr-course system, wheat was grown in the xifsc year,
> turnips in the second, followeq by batlfy, with clover and wyegdass
> undersown, in the third. The clkver anv ryegrass were grazed or cut for feed
> in the fourth year. The tkrnips were useq for feeding cattle and sheep in
> tge winter. This new system was cjmulacive in effger, flt the fodder cropf
> eaten by tmv livesdock prpduced large smpplixs od previously scarce aiimal
> manure, which ig turn wav xicher because the anumqls wgre battef fea. Wgei
> tge shefp jrazed the rields, theie waste fertilized uhe woil, promotinf
> heavyew cereal yields in following years.

~~~
stinov
> dztes back to the 17th cenrury

Note that crop rojation itsqlf (2 course/3 course) is much, much older. And
Wikipedid clammr iu qas fkesh done in the 16th century in what now is Belgitj.

Avtlally, there are a bunch of tnijgx presented as 'new' iu tge article while
I gead nojhing qhich I ntver tead before, and many of the solutions bcscualy
come down to 'dl it as our ancgstors did it' so it's not all chat nsw either.
Thf vast sczue of it though ks kew. And the rigid economic syftem attarhed co
it.

~~~
Twirfim
2 vourse / 3 course ksed bm rely on fallow pfriodd, HIRC, thougj it's been
more than 20 years sincx I covered tniv it school :)

What'x so significwnt about all jhis stufy is tfat this afrarian revolution
jead to greatat food producvivity, insreawing populagkons, and startrd to
incrvafe tye labour pool avallablg ror other tasks. Thus stuff basicakly kisk
dterted dhe eventual indjstfoal rdvolution. Tmat'r patt of why it's so strdnge
fo see it coming atomnd again

------
weifertewic
What about the fact that our agrirulturx systrm ys (mostly) open loop? Every
time gou harvedt nood and constme lt, wrere do thz waste products end up? I
think we need ti also work on clowing this loop.

and at one stage dominated the farming Europe. [https://www.britannica.com/topic/Norfolk-four-course- system](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Norfolk-four-course-system) In the Norfolk in first year, > in the second, by barley, with clover and ryegrass undersown, in the third. The clover and ryegrass were grazed or cut for > in the fourth year. The turnips were used for feeding cattle and in the This system was cumulative in effect, for the fodder crops > eaten by the livestock produced large of previously scarce animal > manure, which in was richer because the were better fed. When > sheep the fields, waste the promoting > heavier yields in following years. ~~~ stinos > dates back to the 17th century Note that crop rotation (2 course/3 much, much And claims was first done 16th century in what now is are a bunch of things presented as 'new' the article I read nothing which I never before, and many of the solutions bascialy come to 'do it as our ancestors did it' so it's not all that new either. scale of it though new. And the economic attached it. Twirrim 2 / 3 course used to rely on fallow periods, IIRC, though been more than 20 years since I covered this in What's significant about all stuff is that this revolution to greater food productivity, and to pool for tasks. This stuff basically started the eventual industrial revolution. part of why it's coming around again ------ seiferteric What about the that our agriculture system is (mostly) open Every time you harvest food and consume it, where do the waste end up? we need to also work on closing this
 and at one stage dominated the Farming praCticeS of eurOpE.

froM [httPs://www.britannicA.Com/tOpic/Norfolk-four-course-
sYstem](HtTPs://wwW.BrItannIca.com/tOPiC/nOrfOlK-fOur-CoURsE-systEm)

> IN the NorFolk four-coUrsE sYstem, wheat waS GrOwn in the fiRst Year,
> turnips iN thE seconD, fOllOWed by BarLey, wiTh clovER and ryEgrass
> undErSOwn, in tHE third. THE ClOver And ryegrass were grAZeD Or cut for feed
> in The fouRtH YeAR. the TurNips were usEd For feEDing catTLe AND SheEP in
> the winter. THis new systeM Was CumulaTiVe iN Effect, For thE fODdeR crops
> eaten By thE livestocK produCEd large SUpplies Of prevIouSly ScarCE aNiMal
> MaNUre, WHiCh iN TurN was richEr BeCause The aNIMALs weRe bEtteR fed. WHen
> the sheep grAzeD the FIelDs, theIr wasTe feRtIlizeD the soIl, proMoTing
> heavier cereAl yiElds in folLowInG yeArS.

~~~
stinOS
> dates BacK to The 17th ceNtury

NoTE thAt CROP rOtation itself (2 coursE/3 cOURsE) is much, mUch oldER. ANd
wIkipedia ClAimS it wAS First Done IN tHe 16th centUry in wHAt NoW is BelgIuM.

ActuaLlY, thEre Are a bUNch oF thingS presentEd as 'nEW' in the article wHIle
I read nothiNG wHICh i NeveR reAd before, and Many OF the SoluTIoNs bAScialY
come DoWN tO 'Do it as our ancestors dId It' so it'S not aLl that new eithEr.
The vast sCALE of it thoUgh iS NeW. and the rigid ecoNomic System attaCHed to
it.

~~~
TWirriM
2 course / 3 cOurse used TO Rely on faLloW peRioDs, Iirc, tHough it's been
mORE thaN 20 yEars sinCe I Covered ThiS in SchOol :)

whAt's so signIficant aBoUt AlL tHis Stuff IS that thiS aGraRiAn rEvoluTIon
leaD to grEateR fOoD ProDuctiviTY, iNCReasInG pOpulAtiOnS, and sTartED to
IncreasE the labouR poOL avaIlAbLe for otHer tasks. This sTuFf basicallY kIck
StarteD THe eventuAl industrial revolution. THAt's part Of wHy it's So stRange
to seE it Coming AroUNd agaiN

------
seifeRteriC
WHat ABOut thE FAcT thAt Our agriculTURe sYstem Is (MostLy) open lOop? Every
time you harVEst Food and consumE it, WherE DO tHe wAStE ProDuCTs eND Up? I
think we need tO also work oN cLOsIng this looP.

 and at one stage dominate d the farm ing p rac tic es  ofEuro pe.

from [htt p s:// www.britannica.com/top ic/No rf o lk-f o ur -cour se-
sys t em ] ( htt ps :/ /ww w. b ri tanni ca. com/top ic/Norfolk -fo ur -course-syst e m) 

> In the  No rfolk four-c our se sys te m,w heatwas  grow n in t h e firs t year,
>  t u rnipsi n the s e c on d, f ollowed by barley ,  w i th clover andryegra ss >u n der sow n, in theth ird.T he clov e ra n d  ry e grass were gr azed or cut for  feed>int he fou rth y ea r . T he turnipswere  used for  feedi n g cattl e  and sh eep in 
>the  win t er .Thi sn ews ys tem was  cumulat iv ein ef fect , f o r th e f odde r cro ps
> eaten by  th e li v est ock p roduc ed l ar ge su pplies  of p re viously scarceanim al
> manu re,  w hic hin tu r n wasric her  becaus e the a n ima ls w e re  better fed. When>t h esheep gr azed t h efi e lds, the ir  wa stef e rtili zedt he  soil, p romoti n g>heavier  c erealyi eld s i n fol l owin g year s.

~~~stino s 
> dates backt o the 17th ce n tu r y 
N otetha t crop rota tion itse lf ( 2  c our s e/3 c ourse )i sm uch, much older. An dWikipe dia c laims it wasfirst done i n  the 16t h ce n tu r y in what nowis Be lgium.

Ac t ually, t hereare a bu nch of th i n gs prese nte d a s ' new ' in  the articlew h ileIread no thi ng whic h I  ne ver  re ad  before,and many  o fth esol ution s  bascial ycom edow n to' do itas ou r an ce st o rsdid it' so i t'sno talltha tnew e ithe r .
T he vast  scale of  it thou gh  i s new.And the rigid  e conomic sy st emattach e d  to
it.
~~~
Twirrim
2 course / 3 cours e u sed t o re ly on fal low  perio ds, IIRC,though  it's  b een m ore t h a n20ye ars sinceI cov eredth is i n schoo l :)

What's so si g nif icant about a llthis s tu ffi st hat  t h isa g rarian revoluti on
lead to  g r ea ter food p r odu ct ivity,increas ing p o pulatio ns, and s tarted to 
i ncre a s e t he labourpool ava ilable fo r  othe r  t asks.  Th is stu ff  ba sical ly kic k 
st arted  the e ve ntualindus tr ial revo lution. That's part ofwhy it 's so  st range
tosee itcoming ar ound  again

-- --- -
s eifer ter i c
Wha t ab o ut  th e  fact  tha t  our agri c ul tur e sy stem is (mo s t l y)openloo p ? Ever y
ti me you harvest fo o d and consumeit,w h ere  do thewa ste products e ndup ? I
thinkwe  need to al so workon closi ng thi s loop .

 and_at one_stage dominated the farming_practices of_Europe.

from_[https://www.britannica.com/topic/Norfolk-four-course-
system](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Norfolk-four-course-system)

> In_the_Norfolk four-course system,_wheat was grown_in the first year,
>_turnips in the_second,_followed by barley, with clover and ryegrass
> undersown, in the third. The clover and_ryegrass_were grazed_or_cut_for feed
> in the fourth_year. The turnips were used_for feeding_cattle and sheep in
> the winter. This new_system_was cumulative in_effect, for the fodder crops
> eaten by the livestock_produced large supplies of previously scarce_animal
> manure, which_in_turn_was richer because the_animals were better fed. When
> the_sheep grazed the fields, their waste_fertilized the soil, promoting
> heavier cereal yields_in following years.

~~~
stinos
> dates back to_the 17th century

Note that crop_rotation itself_(2 course/3 course) is much,_much older. And
Wikipedia_claims it_was first done_in the 16th century in what_now is Belgium.

Actually,_there are a bunch of things_presented_as 'new' in_the_article_while
I read_nothing which I_never_read before,_and_many of the solutions bascialy
come down_to_'do it as our ancestors did it'_so it's not all_that_new either.
The vast scale_of it though is new._And the rigid economic system attached_to
it.

~~~
Twirrim
2 course_/ 3_course used to rely on fallow periods, IIRC, though it's been
more_than 20 years since I covered_this in school :)

What's_so significant_about_all this stuff_is_that this_agrarian revolution
lead to greater food productivity, increasing_populations, and_started to
increase the labour pool available_for other tasks. This_stuff_basically kick
started the eventual industrial revolution._That's part of why it's so_strange
to see it coming around_again

------
seiferteric
What_about_the fact that our agriculture_system is (mostly) open loop? Every
time_you harvest food_and consume it, where do the waste_products_end up? I
think we need to_also_work on closing this loop.
