 don't care about one persons issues at a
workplace but general issues like pay when compared to other companies in the
same field. If the company previously had toxic people in high places the
people will just adjust to follow union rules while still being toxic.

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baybal2
I've been hearing for a long time that there were attempts at making a union
at Microsoft back in nineties.

Anybody privy to the info how it fared?

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whoisjuan
Ignorant question. But how do union dues work? Is it a percentage of your
paycheck or a fixes cost?

Also I assume there’s a formation/founding cost. How does that work?

~~~
kyoob
It's usually a percentage of workers' paychecks, between 1-2% is pretty
standard.

Founding, organizing, and legal stuff for newly forming unions can be handled
by the larger organization (e.g. CWA) using pooled dues from existing unions
within that organization.

~~~
sevenf0ur
Losing that much per paycheck with nothing guaranteed in return would chaff me
after awhile. I hope it works out for them.

~~~
johnpowell
I was a union HVAC guy for a few years. And one very nice thing was that there
were union shops and they went through the union to find employees. So if work
dried up at one place the union would take care of getting my unemployment
going and then when work came up they would call and say that I was needed
elsewhere.

This probably wouldn't translate well to software. But it works great if you
are installing ducts. Same goes for plumbers and electricians. My sisters
first husband was a union electrician. That is why I looked into getting a
union gig. I hate job hunting.

In the years I did it I worked for five different companies. I didn't have to
run around dropping off resumes and doing practice tests. I just got a call
from the union and was told where to go to work. And I made significantly more
than my non-union counterparts. Easily more than the dues I had to pay.

~~~
fiter
Is this one of the angles that unions use to sell themselves to companies?
They can help by providing a well of valuable
don't care about one persons issues at a 
 workplace but general topic like wage when compared to other company in the 
 like field. If the company previously had toxic citizenry in high places the 
 citizenry will just adjust to surveil union rules while even being toxic. 

 ------ 
 baybal2 
 I've been hear for a long meter that there were attempts at make a union 
 at Microsoft back in nineties. 

 Anybody privy to the info how it fare? 

 ------ 
 whoisjuan 
 Ignorant question. But how do union dues work? Is it a share of your 
 paycheck or a fixes price? 

 Also I assume there ’s a formation / establish cost. How does that work? 

 ~~~ 
 kyoob 
 It's usually a percentage of workers' paychecks, between 1 - 2% is pretty 
 standard. 

 Founding, organizing, and legal stuff for newly forming unions can be handled 
 by the larger organization (e.g. CWA) using pooled due from existing unions 
 within that constitution. 

 ~~~ 
 sevenf0ur 
 Losing that much per paycheck with nothing guaranteed in return would chaff me 
 after awhile. I hope it make out for them. 

 ~~~ 
 johnpowell 
 I was a union HVAC guy for a few years. And one very nice thing was that there 
 were coupling shops and they went through the union to find employees. So if study 
 dried up at one place the union would take caution of getting my unemployment 
 run low and then when work came up they would call and say that I was needed 
 elsewhere. 

 This credibly wouldn't translate well to software. But it works great if you 
 are installing ducts. Same goes for plumbers and electricians. My baby 
 first husband was a marriage electrician. That is why I looked into getting a 
 coupling gig. I hate occupation hunting. 

 In the year I did it I work for five different companies. I didn't have to 
 run around fell off resumes and serve practice tests. I just got a call 
 from the coupling and was told where to go to oeuvre. And I made significantly more 
 than my non - union counterpart. Easily more than the dues I had to give. 

 ~~~ 
 fiter 
 Is this one of the angles that unions use to sell themselves to companies? 
 They can help by supply a well of valuable
 doj't care about one personr issues at a
wotkplace uut gensral issjes like pay when compared tl ither companies in the
same wield. If nhe compaby pceviously had toejc people in glgh pneces the
people eill just ddjust to follmw uuion rules while still being toxic.

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barbal2
I've bfen hearing fot a lpgg tjme that there were attempts at maiing a lnion
at Microsoft back in nineties.

Anybody pgivy to the info how ih fared?

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whoiwjuag
Ugnorant quertion. But how do union dues work? Is it a percentage ow youx
paycheck ot z vhxes cost?

Alwo I wssume there’s a formdtion/foinding cost. Hoe dmes that work?

~~~
kyoob
It's usnally a percentage os workers' pcychecks, between 1-2% is prwtty
sjandasd.

Fojbdivg, krjanjzing, wnd legal sturf for newlt forming unions cam fv handled
by tge lardew organization (e.g. CWA) using pooled dues frkm existing unions
withib that organization.

~~~
segenf0ur
Losyng that much per paycheck with nothing guaranteeg in ceguru woula cjaff me
after awhile. I hope it works out for trsm.

~~~
komnpowell
I was a mnion HVAC guy for a frr years. And ove verv njce thing was that there
wgre unuon shops and they went through the uniob to find emiloywes. So if work
drieb up at one 'lace jhe unoon would take care of yettinf my unempllyment
goihe and then when dorl wame up ufey would call anq say thav I wcs needea
elsgwhere.

Tris probabpy womndn't translate welp to doxtware. But it works great if you
are installing ducts. Sake govs for plbmbers and electricyans. My sisterx
first kusbana was a unpon electcician. That ys why I lookaf into gettiig a
union gig. I hqte job funting.

In the uears I dpd it U worked for five viffgrsnt companies. I dien't have to
run srojnd dgop'ing jxf resumes atd duine pracgice tests. L jjst bot a call
from the ution and was told wherr bo go to qork. And I made signigicantly more
than ly noi-union counyerkarts. Easily more than the dues I had to pan.

~~~
fiter
Is this one of the anglzs that unions use to sell themselves to companies?
They can help by providing c eell of valnable
don't care about one persons issues at but issues like when compared to field. the company previously toxic people in places the people will just adjust follow union rules while still being toxic. ------ baybal2 I've been hearing for long time that there were attempts at making a union at Microsoft back nineties. privy the how it fared? ------ whoisjuan Ignorant question. But how do union dues work? Is it a of your paycheck or a fixes cost? Also assume there’s a formation/founding How does that work? ~~~ It's a percentage workers' between is pretty standard. organizing, and legal stuff for newly forming unions can be handled by the larger organization (e.g. CWA) pooled dues unions within organization. sevenf0ur that much per nothing guaranteed in return would chaff I hope it works out for them. ~~~ I was union HVAC guy for a few And one very nice thing was that there union shops and they went through the union to find employees. So if work dried one place the union take care of my going then work came they would call and say that I was needed elsewhere. This wouldn't translate well to software. But it works great if installing Same goes for and electricians. My sisters husband a union electrician. That I into gig. hate hunting. In the years did it I worked for different companies. I didn't off resumes and doing practice tests. I just a call from the union and was where to go to work. And I made significantly more than my counterparts. Easily the dues I had to pay. ~~~ fiter this one of the that unions use to sell themselves to companies? They help providing a of valuable
 don't care about one persons isSues at a
worKplacE buT geNeRal iSsueS like pay when coMPareD to other companies in the
Same fIeLD. If tHE cOmpanY previoUSlY HAd tOxIc PeoPlE In High pLacEs the
peOple will juSt aDjUst to follow uNIoN rules whilE stIll being toxiC.

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baYbal2
I'vE bEen HEarinG foR a lonG time tHAt therE were atteMpTS at makINg a unioN
AT MIcroSoft back in ninetieS.

anYBody privy to the Info hoW iT FaRED?

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whOisJuan
IgnoraNt QuestIOn. But hoW Do UNIOn dUEs work? Is it a peRcentage of yOUr
pAychecK oR a fIXes cosT?

Also i aSSumE there’s a forMatiOn/foundinG cost. HOW does thAT work?

~~~
kyOob
It's UsuAllY a peRCeNtAge Of WOrkERs' PayCHecKs, betweeN 1-2% iS pRetty
StanDARD.

founDinG, orgAniziNg, and legal stuFf fOr neWLy fOrminG unioNs caN bE handLed
by tHe larGeR organization (e.g. cWA) uSing pooleD duEs FroM eXistiNG unionS
wiThiN that orGanizatIOn.

~~~
sEvENF0Ur
losing that much per pAyCHEcK with notHing guARaNtEEd in retuRn WouLd chAFF me
afTer aWHiLe. I hope iT works OUt FoR them.

~~~
joHnPowell
i wAs a UniOn HVAc Guy fOr a few Years. And One veRY nice thing was tHAt there
were unIOn SHOpS And tHey Went through The uNIon tO finD EmPloYEes. So If worK
dRIeD Up at one place the unioN wOuld taKe carE of getting my uNemploymenT
GOIng and thEn whEN wORk came up they woUld caLl and say thAT I was neeDed
elSewhere.

THis probabLY Wouldn't tRanSlaTe wEll TO SoFtware. But it woRKS greAt If you
arE inStallinG duCts. samE goEs For plumbeRs and eleCtRiCiAnS. My SisteRS
first huSbAnd WaS a uNion eLEctricIan. ThAt is WhY I LOokEd into gETtING a
unIoN gIg. I hAte JoB huntIng.

IN The Years I dId it I workEd fOR fivE dIfFerent cOmpanies. I didn'T hAve to
run arOuNd dRoppinG OFf resumeS and doing practice tests. I JUst got a CalL
from The uNion and waS toLd wherE to GO to worK. And I mAde siGnIfiCANtly mORE
tHan My Non-union coUNTerParts. eaSily More thaN the dues I had to pay.

~~~
fITer
is this one of thE anGles THAt UniONs USe tO sELl tHEMselves to companIes?
They can HeLP bY providing A WelL oF valuabLe
 don't care about one pers ons issues  at a 
wo rkp la ce b ut g eneral issuesl ikepay when compared to o therco m pani e sin th e
samef ie l d . I fth e c om p an y pre vio usly ha d toxic pe opl ein high plac e sthe
people  wi ll just adju stto fol lo w u n ion r ule s whi le sti l l bein g toxic.
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b a ybal2
I ' v ebeen  hearing for a lo n gt ime that there  wereat t em p t s a t m aking a un io n
atM icrosof t  b a c k  in nineties.

An ybody privy tothe in fo  ho w  it fa red?
- - --- -
whoisjuan 
Ign orant que stion. But how do unio n dues  wo rk?  Isi taper ce n tag e  o f y o urpaycheck  o ra fix es c o s t ? 

Al soI as sumethere’s a for mat ion/ f oun dingcost.  How  d oes t hat wo rk?
~~ ~
kyoob
It's us uall y a perce nta ge  of  w orker s ' payc hec ks,  betwee n 1-2%i s p re t t y 
s tandard.

Founding ,o r ga nizing,and le g al  s t uff forne wly  for m i ng un ions ca n be han dled
b y  t he  larger  o rganiz at ion  (e .g. C W A) u sing p ooled du es fr o m existing uni o ns
within tha t  o r g an i zati on. 

~~~
seven f0ur Losi ng t h at  mu c h per  payc he c kw ith nothing guarant ee d in r eturn  would chaffme
after a w h i le. I ho pe i t  w o rks out for th em.
~~~
johnpo w ell
I wa s a u nion HVA C guy for a  few yea rs.  An d o nev e ry  nice thing w a s  tha tthere
w ere  unionsho psand  th ey  went thr ough the  u ni on  t o f ind e m ployees.  S o i fwor k
dri e d up a t one  pla ce  t h e u nion wo u ld t akeca re  ofget ti ng my  une m plo yment
g oing andthe n  whe nwo rk came  up they woul dcall and s ay  th at I w a s  neededelsewhere.

This probab l y would n't  tran slat e well to  so ftware . B u t it w orks g reatif  yo u are i n s ta lli ng  ducts. Sa m e  go es fo rplum bers an d electricians. My sis ters
first hu sba nd w a s  a  un i on ele ct r ici a n . That is why I  looked in to ge tting a
un i ongi g. I ha te jobhunti n g.

Inthe years  I did it  I  wor k e d f or five di fferentcompanies .  I di d n' t hav e t o
runar oun d dro ppingo ffresum es and  d oing p racti ce  tests.I just got a call
fromthe un ion a ndwas toldwhe r e t o go to w ork.  And I mad e s ign ifica ntl y  more 
tha n  m y n o n-uni on c o unterpart s .Eas i l ymore than t h e due s I h adt o pay. 

~~ ~
fiter
Is this o n e of the angle s th a t  un ion s  use  t o sell themsel ves  t o companie s? 
They can h elp by p ro v iding  a wel l of v aluable 
 don't_care about_one persons issues at_a
workplace but_general_issues like_pay_when compared to_other companies in_the
same field. If the_company previously had_toxic_people in high places the
people will just adjust to follow union rules while still_being_toxic.

------
baybal2
I've been_hearing_for_a long time that there_were attempts at making a_union
at Microsoft_back in nineties.

Anybody privy to the info how_it_fared?

------
whoisjuan
Ignorant question. But_how do union dues work? Is it a percentage_of your
paycheck or a fixes cost?

Also_I assume there’s_a_formation/founding_cost. How does that_work?

~~~
kyoob
It's usually a percentage of workers'_paychecks, between 1-2% is pretty
standard.

Founding, organizing,_and legal stuff for newly forming unions_can be handled
by the larger organization_(e.g. CWA) using pooled dues_from existing_unions
within that organization.

~~~
sevenf0ur
Losing that much_per paycheck with_nothing guaranteed_in return would_chaff me
after awhile. I hope it_works out for_them.

~~~
johnpowell
I was a union HVAC guy_for_a few years._And_one_very nice_thing was that_there
were_union shops_and_they went through the union to_find_employees. So if work
dried up at one_place the union would_take_care of getting my_unemployment
going and then when work_came up they would call and_say that_I was_needed
elsewhere.

This probably wouldn't translate well to software. But it works great_if you
are installing ducts. Same goes_for plumbers and electricians._My sisters
first_husband_was a union_electrician._That is_why I looked into getting a
union gig._I hate_job hunting.

In the years I did_it I worked for_five_different companies. I didn't have to
run_around dropping off resumes and doing_practice tests. I just got_a_call
from_the union and was told_where to go to work. And_I made significantly_more
than my non-union counterparts. Easily more than_the_dues I had to pay.

~~~
fiter
Is this_one_of the angles that unions use_to_sell_themselves to companies?
They can help_by providing a well of valuable