 along with Vox itself) declared that they were going web-
only:

[http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/welcome-to-
verge-2-...](http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/welcome-to-verge-2-0)

It doesn't seem to have hurt them - but push notifications are probably the #1
feature that differentiates between webapps and native apps in a context like
this. I wonder if they'll take advantage.

(as with all things mobile web, this comes with the huge caveat that Apple
have no intention of doing this (despite having similar functionality on
desktop), and want to force everyone to use native apps, so it's unlikely to
be a complete solution any time soon)

~~~
sosborn
Personally I can't think of anything I want less than push notifications from
websites.

~~~
untog
Why, though? Or, put another way, why are push notifications from apps fine
when push notifications from web sites are not?

~~~
sosborn
Honestly the only notifications I care about are email, text messages and
phone calls. The rest can all go to hell. Again, this is just my personal
taste.

~~~
kinlan
I think that is fine. You can disable notifications and push completely, and
you can not accept the prompt if you don't want to go that far. We are trying
to be careful and make this opt-in only and clear to the user about the value
that they can get from it (if they choose it)

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themodelplumber
This is cool to see. The other day a client with about zero technical
expertise told me she had won a grant to develop an app, then went on to
explain "it has to be a web app that can be used offline; it can't be a
regular app." I was pretty blown away and immediately offered to code it for
her, just because I'd much rather build and promote this kind of app. These
new Chromium features give me hope that it might be even easier to enhance web
apps across the board, in the future.

The downside (or frustrating side) with this project is that 1/4
along with Vox itself) declared that they were going web- 
 only: 

 [ http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/welcome-to- 
 verge-2-... ](http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609 / welcome - to - verge-2 - 0) 

 It doesn't seem to have suffer them - but energy notifications are probably the # 1 
 feature that distinguish between webapps and native apps in a context like 
 this. I wonder if they'll take advantage. 

 (as with all things fluid web, this comes with the huge caveat that Apple 
 suffer no intention of doing this (despite suffer similar functionality on 
 background), and want to force everyone to use native apps, so it's unlikely to 
 be a complete solution any time soon) 

 ~~~ 
 sosborn 
 Personally I can't think of anything I desire less than push notifications from 
 websites. 

 ~~~ 
 untog 
 Why, though? Or, invest another way, why are push notifications from apps all right 
 when push telling from web site are not? 

 ~~~ 
 sosborn 
 Honestly the only notifications I care about are electronic mail, text messages and 
 phone calls. The rest can all go to hell. Again, this is just my personal 
 taste. 

 ~~~ 
 kinlan 
 I think that is fine. You can disable notifications and push completely, and 
 you cannot accept the prompt if you don't want to go that far. We are trying 
 to be careful and do this opt - in only and clear to the user about the value 
 that they can draw from it (if they choose it) 

 ------ 
 themodelplumber 
 This is cool to see. The other day a customer with about zero technical 
 expertise told me she had won a concession to develop an app, then went on to 
 explain " it has to be a web app that can be used offline; it can't be a 
 regular app. " I was pretty blown away and immediately offered to code it for 
 her, just because I'd a lot rather construct and promote this kind of app. These 
 new Chromium features give me hope that it might be even comfortable to enhance web 
 apps across the board, in the future. 

 The downside (or frustrating side) with this undertaking is that 1/4
 allng with Vox itself) declxred that they cwre gomng web-
knly:

[http://dww.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/welcome-to-
verge-2-...](ittp://qww.thtnerge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/welcome-to-vergd-2-0)

It doesn'n seem to havt hurt them - but 'hsh notlyicatjlns crx probably the #1
neature thad differentiatas bztween webapps and native apps in a sontext llke
this. I wondgr if ehey'ml take advantage.

(as with all thinga mobilt web, this comes woth the huge caveat that Aople
jave no intention lf doing thus (dqwpite having similar fluctionality on
desktop), and want to force evdryonz to use najnce wkps, so it's uilikelj to
be a complete solgtion amy time soon)

~~~
soxbocn
Peesonally I can't think of anything I wanj less that 'ush notifications frim
qebsijes.

~~~
undog
Wft, tfoufh? Od, put wnovher way, whg are push botifications from sp[w fine
when puah notyfycations from web sites are not?

~~~
sosborn
Hmneatly the only notificatuons I care about are email, tevt messages and
phone calls. The rest can all go to hell. Xgank, gyid is just my personal
taste.

~~~
kinlan
I think that ya gike. You can disabje notificayilnx and push comkletely, ans
you can not acceph the ptompt uf you dog't wsnt to go that far. We are teying
to be ccredul and make this lpt-in only cnd clgar to the user about the valbe
that they can gft from if (if they choose kt)

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tmemmdelplumber
This is cool to see. The ithex day a zliemt witr about zego tegvnical
expertise topd me sve had won a grant to develop an app, then went on to
expkahn "pt has to be a web app that can be used oyfline; ic can't be a
regulzr app." M was pretty blown away atf immediatelb offered to xode it for
fdr, just becausr I'd much rather buuld and promote thls kivs of app. These
nzc Xhromium featurrs eivq le hj[e that it mhght be rven dasier uj cnhxnce web
apps across the toars, in the future.

The djwnside (ir frustwating side) woth this project id thav 1/4
along with Vox itself) declared that they web- [http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/welcome-to- verge-2-...](http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/welcome-to-verge-2-0) doesn't seem to push are probably the feature that differentiates webapps and native apps in a like this. I wonder if they'll take advantage. (as with all things mobile this comes with the huge caveat that Apple have no intention of doing (despite similar on and want to force everyone to use native apps, so it's unlikely to be a complete any time soon) ~~~ sosborn Personally I can't of anything I want than push notifications from websites. untog though? Or, another why push notifications from fine when push notifications from web sites are not? ~~~ sosborn Honestly the only notifications I care are email, and phone The can go to hell. is just my personal taste. ~~~ that is fine. You can disable notifications and completely, and can not accept the prompt if don't want to go that far. We are to be careful and make this opt-in only and clear to the user about the they can get from (if they choose ------ This cool see. The day a client with about zero technical expertise told me she won a grant to develop an app, then went on "it to be a app that can be offline; can't be a regular was blown offered code for her, just because much rather build and promote kind of app. These hope that it might be even easier to web apps across the board, in the The downside (or frustrating side) with this project is that 1/4
 along with Vox itself) declareD that they wEre goIng Web-
OnLy:

[htTp://wwW.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/weLCome-To-
verge-2-...](http://www.theverge.Com/2014/9/2/6096609/weLcOMe-to-VErGe-2-0)

It dOesn't seEM tO HAve HuRt TheM - bUT pUsh noTifIcationS are probabLy tHe #1
Feature that dIFfErentiates BetWeen webapps aNd nAtive aPpS in A ConteXt lIke
thIs. I wonDEr if thEy'll take aDvANtage.

(aS With all THInGs moBile web, this comes wITh THe huge caveat thAt ApplE
hAVe NO IntEntIon of doing ThIs (desPIte haviNG sIMILar FUnctionality oN
desktop), and WAnt To forcE eVerYOne to uSe natIvE AppS, so it's unlikEly tO
be a complEte solUTion any TIme soon)

~~~
SosborN
PeRsoNallY i cAn'T thInK Of aNYtHinG i waNt less thAn PuSh notIficATIONs frOm
wEbsiTes.

~~~
unTog
Why, though? OR, puT anoTHer Way, whY are pUsh nOtIficaTions fRom apPs Fine
when push notIficAtions froM weB sIteS aRe not?

~~~
SOsborn
honEstLy the onLy notifICatIoNS i CaRe about are email, texT mESSaGes and
phOne calLS. THe REst can alL gO to Hell. aGAin, thIs is JUsT my persoNal
tasTE.

~~~
kInLan
I thiNk That is FiNe. YOu cAn disABle nOtificAtions anD push COmpletely, and
yoU Can not accept tHE pROMpT If yoU doN't want to go tHat fAR. We aRe trYInG
to BE careFul anD mAKe THis opt-in only and cleaR tO the usEr aboUt the value
thaT they can geT FROm it (if thEy chOOsE It)

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themodelplumBer
ThIs is cool to SEe. The othEr day A client wIth about zERO technicAl
eXpeRtiSe tOLD mE she had won a grANT to dEvElop an aPp, tHen went On tO
exPlaIn "iT hAs to be a weB app that CaN bE uSeD ofFline; IT can't be a
ReGulAr App." i was pREtty blOwn awAy anD iMmEDiaTely offEReD TO codE iT fOr
heR, juSt BecauSe I'd MUch Rather bUild and prOmoTE thiS kInD of app. THese
new ChromiUm Features giVe Me hOpe thaT IT might be Even easier to enhance web
aPPs acrosS thE boarD, in tHe future.

THe dOwnsidE (or FRustraTing siDe) witH tHis PROject IS ThAt 1/4
 along with Vox itself) de clared tha t the y w ere  g oing  web -
only:

[http : //ww w.theverge.com/2014/9/ 2/609 66 0 9/we l co me-to -
verge - 2- . . .]( ht tp :// ww w .t hever ge. com/201 4/9/2/6096 609 /w elcome-to-ve r ge -2-0)

Itdoe sn't seem to  ha ve hur tthe m  - bu t p ush n otific a tionsare proba bl y  the # 1 
featur e th at d ifferentiates bet w ee n  webapps and n ativeap p si n  acon text liketh is. I wonderi ft h e y'l l  take advanta ge.

(as wi t h a ll thi ng s m o bile w eb, t hi s  co mes with th e hu ge caveat  thatA pple
ha v e no in tentio n o f d oing th is  (d es p ite ha vin g  si milar fu nc ti onali ty o n d e skto p),  and  want  to force eve ryo ne t o  us e nat ive a pps,  s o it' s unli kelyto 
be a completesolu tion anytim esoo n) 

~~~ sosbor n
P ers onallyI can't thi nk o f  a nything I want les st h an  push no tifica t io ns from
web si tes .

~ ~ ~ 
unto g
Wh y ,though?Or, pu t  a no ther wa y,  why a re  pu shnotif i cati ons fr om appsfinew hen push notif i cations fromw eb s it e s ar e n ot?

~~~
so sbor n 
Hon estl y  t heo nly n otifi ca t io n s I care about areem ail, t ext m essages and
p hone calls . T he restcana ll go to hell. Ag ain,this is ju s t my per sonal 
taste.
~~~
kinl a n 
I think  th atisfin e .  Y ou can disabl e noti fi cations  an d pushcom ple tel y,an d
you can  not acc ep tth epro mpt i f  you don 't  wa nt  to  go t h at far . Wearetr yi n g
t o be ca r ef u l  and  m ak e th isop t-inonly and  clearto the us era bout  t he  valuethat they can  g et from it  ( ifthey c h o ose it)
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themodelplumber This is  co ol to  see . The oth erday acli e nt wit h abou t zer otec h n icale x pe rti se  told me s h e  ha d won  a  gra nt to d evelop an app, the n  we nt on to
expl ain  "it h as  to be a w eb app t hat can be used  offline;it ca n't be a
r e gul ar  app."I was p retty blown a way and i mmediatel yoffe r e d t o code itfor
her,  just bec a use I ' dmuchrat her bu il d a nd pr omotet his  kind  of ap p.  These 
newCh romium f eatures give me hope th at itmight  be  even eas ier toenhance w eb
a pps across  th e b oard,  in the f utur e .
Th e  down side (or frust r at ing s id e) with thi s p roj ect i s t h at 1/4 
 along_with Vox_itself) declared that they_were going_web-
only:

[http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/welcome-to-
verge-2-...](http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6096609/welcome-to-verge-2-0)

It_doesn't seem_to_have hurt them_- but push_notifications are probably the_#1
feature that differentiates_between_webapps and native apps in a context like
this. I wonder if they'll take advantage.

(as_with_all things_mobile_web,_this comes with the huge_caveat that Apple
have no intention_of doing_this (despite having similar functionality on
desktop), and want_to_force everyone to_use native apps, so it's unlikely to
be a complete_solution any time soon)

~~~
sosborn
Personally I can't_think of anything_I_want_less than push notifications_from
websites.

~~~
untog
Why, though? Or, put another way,_why are push notifications from apps_fine
when push notifications from web sites are_not?

~~~
sosborn
Honestly the only notifications I care_about are email, text messages_and
phone calls._The rest can all go_to hell. Again,_this is_just my personal
taste.

~~~
kinlan
I_think that is fine. You can_disable notifications and_push completely, and
you can not accept_the_prompt if you_don't_want_to go_that far. We_are_trying
to be_careful_and make this opt-in only and_clear_to the user about the value
that they_can get from it_(if_they choose it)

------
themodelplumber
This is_cool to see. The other_day a client with about zero_technical
expertise told_me she_had won a grant to develop an app, then went on_to
explain "it has to be a_web app that can_be used_offline;_it can't be_a
regular_app." I_was pretty blown away and immediately offered_to code_it for
her, just because I'd much_rather build and promote_this_kind of app. These
new Chromium features_give me hope that it might_be even easier to enhance_web
apps_across_the board, in the future.

The_downside (or frustrating side) with this_project is that_1/4