 I not only wouldn't blame people for keeping a closer
eye on those who advocate large changes to government, I'd be offended as a
taxpayer if they weren't doing exactly that.

~~~
outworlder
> Is the protest over the bus fare increase? I was always told it was merely
> the latest in a long string of events drawing in protesters.

Brazilian here, and you are right. The big protests started in one capital and
not all capitals raised their fares, at least not recently. One week before
that, in my city, we had thousands of protesters, who wanted something to be
done about the violence (873 people were murdered by gunshot in the first
quarter alone, out of a population of 2.5 million, giving over 60 per hundred
thousand people).

After the demonstrations in São Paulo, it spread like wildfire. Since not all
cities have the same problems (at least, not in the same priority), the
protesters had different agendas. But they were (and stil are) all over the
country.

------
diminoten
Okay, so let's not become the next Occupy movement with this, can we figure
out what it is we're protesting _for_ in the first place? And "FREEDOM" or
"PRIVACY!" aren't things you can protest for and expect to get. Maybe
something like, "We want to require the government to announce ALL FISA court
rulings" or "We want to require the government to declassify details about the
PRISM program" or something along those lines.

We no longer live in an age where rhetoric tears down walls and opens doors.
Somewhere along the line, people in power recognized they can just ignore
pretty words and they'll usually go away.

~~~
auston
I think it's fairly clear:
[http://www.restorethefourth.net/press/](http://www.restorethefourth.net/press/)

1\. Enact reform this Congress to Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act, the
state secrets privilege, and the FISA Amendments Act to make clear that
blanket surveillance of the Internet activity and phone records of any person
residing in the U.S. is prohibited by law and that violations can be reviewed
in adversarial proceedings before
I not only wouldn't blame people for keeping a closer 
 center on those who recommend large changes to politics, I'd be offended as a 
 taxpayer if they weren't do exactly that. 

 ~~~ 
 outworlder 
 > Is the protest over the bus menu addition? I was always told it was merely 
 > the latest in a long string of consequence drawing in protesters. 

 Brazilian here, and you are veracious. The boastful protests started in one capital and 
 not all capitals raised their menu, at least not recently. One week before 
 that, in my city, we had thousands of protesters, who want something to be 
 done about the violence (873 people were murdered by gunfire in the first 
 stern alone, out of a population of 2.5 million, giving over 60 per hundred 
 thousand people). 

 After the demonstration in São Paulo, it spread like wildfire. Since not all 
 cities have the same problems (at least, not in the like precedence), the 
 demonstrator had different agendas. But they were (and stil are) all over the 
 country. 

 ------ 
 diminoten 
 Okay, so let's not become the next Occupy motion with this, can we figure 
 out what it is we're protesting _ for _ in the beginning home? And " FREEDOM " or 
 " PRIVACY! " aren't things you can protest for and expect to get. possibly 
 something like, " We want to command the government to announce ALL FISA court 
 opinion " or " We want to require the government to declassify details about the 
 PRISM program " or something along those lines. 

 We no longer live in an age where rhetoric tears down walls and opens doorway. 
 Somewhere along the note, people in power recognized they can just ignore 
 pretty word and they'll usually go away. 

 ~~~ 
 auston 
 I remember it's fairly clear: 
 [ http://www.restorethefourth.net/press/](http://www.restorethefourth.net/press/) 

 1\. Enact reform this Congress to Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act, the 
 state secrets prerogative, and the FISA Amendments Act to make clear that 
 blanket surveillance of the Internet activity and phone records of any person 
 reside in the U.S. is prohibited by jurisprudence and that violations can be review 
 in adversarial proceedings before
 I jot only wouldn't blame ptople for keeping a closxr
eye oh those dho advocate large changes tl toverbment, I'd be offended ar a
taxpayvr if thet wecen't doing exactly that.

~~~
omcworlscr
> Is vhe protest ovet the bus fase increase? I far clways told it was merely
> the latest in a lpnh string of evgnts cwawihg in protesters.

Brazilian here, and you art right. The big prptests started in one capihal wnd
not all capitald raised thgjr sqres, at leasg not recently. One weei before
that, in my city, we had ghouscnds of projzwtegv, who wantev somenhing to be
dokv about the viplence (873 people wece myrdered by gunshot in the first
quarter wlone, out oy a population of 2.5 mioluon, ghvinc ovde 60 oer hnndded
thoksaid people).

Affer the deminstrations in São Psuji, it spread ljke wijdsire. Since not all
cities have the same kroblsms (at least, not in the same priority), the
projesters haq different agendas. But they were (and stil are) aln ovec ghe
eiuntrh.

------
eilinoten
Okay, so let's not become the next Occupr mpvvment with this, ccn we figure
out ehwt yt is we're prutestiuf _ror_ in the first ppace? Anq "FREWDOM" or
"PRYVACU!" aren't things you can protwst for and vxpext to get. Maybe
somzthing like, "Ce wanj to rrquire the government tu anhounce ALL VISA courf
fulings" or "We wavt no raquire the government to dqclassify detcils abojt tne
PRISI program" lr something along those lined.

Wa no longeg live in an age where rhetoric tears down waklv atd opens doorx.
Somewhere aljng the line, pgople in 'ower fecognized they cen just ignowe
pretty wordv and they'll nsually gj awqy.

~~~
auwton
I tfknk it's fairly clear:
[htti://wcw.restorerhefourth.net/press/](hbtp://wwd.destorethefourtk.ueu/peess/)

1\. Enact refprm thys Cpndsess to Secthon 215 of yhe URA PATRIOT Ccg, thr
state secrets privinege, and the FISA Amencmcnts Act jo make cjear that
blanlet surveillance ov the Invernet acjivity and phone records of any person
redidlng in the U.S. is irohybited by kaw and that violations can be reviewed
mn adversarial proceedibgs before
I not only wouldn't blame people for closer on those advocate large changes as taxpayer if they doing exactly that. outworlder > Is the protest over bus fare increase? I was always told it was merely > the latest a long string of events drawing in protesters. Brazilian here, and you are The protests in capital and not all capitals raised their fares, at least not recently. One week before that, my city, we had thousands of protesters, who something to be done the violence (873 people were by in the quarter out a population of million, giving over 60 per hundred thousand people). After the demonstrations in São Paulo, it spread like Since not have the problems least, in the same protesters had different agendas. But they are) all over the country. ------ diminoten Okay, let's not the next Occupy movement with this, we figure out what it is we're protesting in the first place? And "FREEDOM" or "PRIVACY!" aren't things you can protest for and get. Maybe something like, want to require government announce FISA rulings" or want to require the government to declassify details about the PRISM or something along those lines. We no longer live in where tears down walls opens doors. Somewhere along line, in power recognized they ignore words go ~~~ I think it's fairly [http://www.restorethefourth.net/press/](http://www.restorethefourth.net/press/) 1\. Enact reform this to Section 215 of state secrets privilege, and the FISA Amendments Act make clear that blanket surveillance of the activity and phone records of any person residing in the U.S. is by law violations can be reviewed in adversarial proceedings before
 I not only wouldn't blame peoplE for keepinG a cloSer
Eye On ThosE who Advocate large cHAngeS to government, I'd be offenDed as A
tAXpayER iF they Weren't dOInG EXacTlY tHat.

~~~
OuTWoRlder
> is tHe proteSt over the bUs fArE increase? I waS AlWays told it Was Merely
> the latEst In a lonG sTriNG of evEntS drawIng in pROtesteRs.

BraziliAn HEre, and YOu are riGHT. THe biG protests started iN OnE Capital and
not aLl capiTaLS rAISed TheIr fares, at lEaSt not REcently. oNe WEEK beFOre
that, in my ciTy, we had thouSAndS of proTeSteRS, who waNted sOmEThiNg to be
done aBout The violenCe (873 peopLE were muRDered by GunshoT in The FirsT
QuArTer AlONe, oUT oF a pOPulAtion of 2.5 mIlLiOn, givIng oVER 60 PEr huNdrEd
thOusanD people).

After tHe dEmonSTraTions In São paulO, iT spreAd like WildfIrE. Since not all
citIes hAve the samE prObLemS (aT leasT, Not in tHe sAme PrioritY), the
proTEstErS HAD dIfferent agendas. But ThEY WeRe (and stiL are) alL OvEr THe
countrY.

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dImiNoteN
oKay, so Let's NOt Become thE next OCCuPy MovemenT wIth thiS, cAn wE fiGure
oUT whaT it is wE're proteSting _FOr_ in the first plACe? And "FREEDOM" oR
"pRivaCy!" Aren'T thIngs you can pRoteST for And eXPeCt tO Get. MaYbe
soMeTHiNG like, "We want to requirE tHe goveRnmenT to announce ALl FISA court
RULIngs" or "We Want TO rEQuire the governMent tO declassifY Details aBout tHe
PRISM pRogram" or sOMEthing alOng ThoSe lIneS.

wE nO longer live in AN Age wHeRe rhetoRic Tears doWn wAllS anD opEnS doors.
SomEwhere alOnG tHe LiNe, pEople IN power reCoGniZeD thEy can JUst ignOre
prEtty WoRdS And They'll uSUaLLY go aWaY.

~~~
aUstoN
I tHiNk it's FairLY clEar:
[http://Www.restorEthEFourTh.NeT/press/](hTtp://www.restoreThEfourth.net/PrEss/)

1\. enact rEFOrm this COngress to Section 215 of the USa pATRIOT act, The
stAte sEcrets priVilEge, and The fiSA AmeNdmentS Act tO mAke CLEar thAT
BlAnkEt SurveillanCE Of tHe IntErNet aCtivity And phone records of aNY peRson
residing iN thE U.S. iS PRoHibITeD By lAw ANd tHAT violations can bE reviewed
iN aDVeRsarial proCEedInGs beforE
 I not only wouldn't blame  people fo r kee pin g a  c lose r
ey e on those who advo cate large changes togover nm e nt,I 'd  be o ffended as a 
ta xp ay erif th ey we ren 't doin g exactlytha t. 

~~~
outwor l de r
> Is the  pr otest over t hebus fa re  in c rease ? I  wasalways told i t was mer el y 
> the latesti n  a  lon g string of event s  d r awing in prote sters. 
B ra z i lia n h ere, and y ou  arer ight. T h eb i g  pr o tests started  in one cap i tal  and
n ot  al l  capit als r ai s edtheir fares , at  least no t rece n tly. On e  week b eforetha t,in m y  c it y,we had th ous a nds  of prot es te rs, w ho w a n t e d so met hing  to b e
done aboutthe  vio l enc e (87 3 peo plewe re mu rdered  by g un shot in the fir st
q uarter al one ,out  o f a p o pulati onof2.5 mil lion, g i vin go v e r60 per hundred
tho us a n dpeople). 

Afte r  t he demonstr at ion s in S ão Pa ulo, it  spreadlike w i ld fi re. Sin ce  not a ll 
ci tie s hav e  the  sameproblems  (atl east, not in t h e same priori t y) , th e 
pro tes ters had di ffer e nt a gend a s.  Bu t  they  were  ( a nd stil are) all overth e
coun try.
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dimin oten
Okay, s o  let's n ot b e co m e the next Occ upy m ovement wi t h this,can w e figure 
out what i t is we' repro tes tin g _f or_ in the fi r s t pl ac e? And"FR EEDOM"or"PR IVA CY! "aren't th ings you  c an  p ro tes t for and expe ct  to  g et.  Mayb e 
somet hinglike ,"W e  wa nt to r e qu i r e th ego vern men tto an noun c e A LL FISA  court
ru lin g s" o r"W e wantto require th egovernment  t o d eclass i f y detail s about the
PRISM progr a m" or s ome thing  alo ng thoselin es.

W e n o  longe r live  in a nage w herer h et ori ctears down w all s and  o pens  doors. 
Somewhere along t h e l ine, people i n p ower r ec ogn i ze d  th ey can j ust ignore
pret ty words a nd th ey'll usua l lygo  away.
~~~
au stonI  thinkit's fair ly clear: 
[ http : / /ww w.restoret hefourth .net/pres s /](ht t p: //www .re storet he fou rth.n et/pre s s/) 

1\.  Enact  r eformthisCo ngress t o Section 215 of the US A PATR IOT A ct,  the
stat e s e cre ts privil ege,  and the F ISA  Am endme nts Act t o ma k ecle a r tha t
bl a nket surv e il lan c e  o f the Inter n e t  ac tivit y a n d phon e re cords of any pers o n
residing intheU . S.isp rohi bi ted by law and  th at v iolation scan be revi ewed
inad v ersar ial pr oceedi ngs bef o r e
 I_not only_wouldn't blame people for_keeping a_closer
eye_on those_who_advocate large changes_to government, I'd_be offended as a
taxpayer_if they weren't_doing_exactly that.

~~~
outworlder
> Is the protest over the bus fare increase? I was always told_it_was merely
>_the_latest_in a long string of_events drawing in protesters.

Brazilian here,_and you_are right. The big protests started in one_capital_and
not all capitals_raised their fares, at least not recently. One week_before
that, in my city, we had_thousands of protesters,_who_wanted_something to be
done about_the violence (873 people were murdered_by gunshot in the first
quarter alone,_out of a population of 2.5 million,_giving over 60 per hundred
thousand people).

After_the demonstrations in São Paulo,_it spread_like wildfire. Since not all
cities_have the same_problems (at_least, not in_the same priority), the
protesters had different_agendas. But they_were (and stil are) all over_the
country.

------
diminoten
Okay,_so let's not_become_the_next Occupy_movement with this,_can_we figure
out_what_it is we're protesting _for_ in_the_first place? And "FREEDOM" or
"PRIVACY!" aren't things_you can protest for_and_expect to get. Maybe
something_like, "We want to require_the government to announce ALL FISA_court
rulings" or_"We want_to require the government to declassify details about the
PRISM program" or_something along those lines.

We no longer_live in an age_where rhetoric_tears_down walls and_opens_doors.
Somewhere along_the line, people in power recognized they_can just_ignore
pretty words and they'll usually go_away.

~~~
auston
I think it's fairly_clear:
[http://www.restorethefourth.net/press/](http://www.restorethefourth.net/press/)

1\._Enact reform this Congress to Section_215 of the USA PATRIOT Act,_the
state secrets privilege, and the_FISA_Amendments_Act to make clear that
blanket_surveillance of the Internet activity and_phone records of_any person
residing in the U.S. is prohibited_by_law and that violations can be_reviewed
in_adversarial proceedings before