 senior executives"?_

Patience and prudence.

~~~
whyaduck
Actually, I think it's the ability to translate the state of a project into
risks, rewards and trade-offs. It's not necessarily an innately understood
skill for technical individual contributors.

------
HillaryBriss
Starting about 2009, there have been a lot of discussions about whether the
unemployment in the US was "structural" or not.

Some argued that a huge number of laborers and potential employees did not
have necessary skills and therefore would be unable to find work. Period. This
was a big component of unemployment.

Others including Paul Krugman and Dean Baker argued that, because employment
was down _across most every field_, the cause of the unemployment was
insufficient demand. They basically likened it to the Great Depression, where
highly employable people were thrown out of work despite their skill levels.

This news story makes me think that we have some combination of the two
stories going on in Spain. And maybe also the US?

Of course, how the country responds to that situation is a separate
discussion.

Maybe the government can just borrow some cash (at historically low rates)
and, instead of building another airport somewhere, educate twenty thousand IT
engineers, even paying them to go to school. Maybe government could demand
that employers train people.

Also, what's going on in the EU with the free movement of labor? Don't some IT
people want to move from Estonia and Poland down to sunny Spain?

~~~
Findeton
In Spain, we just had elections on the 26th of June, and the conservatives
won. There is money, as taxes in Spain are high on wages but low on big
companies and the government's budget is 10 points lower % than the EU
average... but we have a conservative government.

~~~
switch007
PP won the most votes but not enough to secure a majority. Rajoy is currently
in talks with other parties to form a majority, hopefully "within a month."
Technically you still have a conservative government but who knows what will
happen.

------
mtrn
A company once flew me to Madrid for an interview. Unfortunately, I cannot
understand Spanish, but the receptionist at the hotel seemed to mumble to a
friend:
senior executives "? _ 

 Patience and prudence. 

 ~~~ 
 whyaduck 
 Actually, I remember it's the ability to understand the state of a project into 
 risk, reward and trade - offs. It's not necessarily an innately understand 
 skill for technical individual contributor. 

 ------ 
 HillaryBriss 
 Starting about 2009, there have been a batch of discussions about whether the 
 unemployment in the US was " structural " or not. 

 Some argue that a huge number of laborers and likely employees did not 
 have necessary skill and therefore would be unable to recover work. Period. This 
 was a big part of unemployment. 

 Others including Paul Krugman and Dean Baker argued that, because use 
 was down _ across most every field _, the causal agent of the unemployment was 
 insufficient demand. They basically compare it to the Great Depression, where 
 highly employable people were thrown out of work despite their skill levels. 

 This newsworthiness story makes me think that we have some combination of the two 
 stories go on in Spain. And maybe also the US? 

 Of course, how the country responds to that situation is a separate 
 discussion. 

 Maybe the government can just adopt some cash (at historically abject rates) 
 and, rather of build another airport somewhere, educate twenty thousand IT 
 engineers, even paying them to function to school. Maybe government could demand 
 that employers trail people. 

 Also, what's going on in the EU with the free movement of british labour party? Don't some IT 
 people want to move from Estonia and Poland down to sunny Spain? 

 ~~~ 
 Findeton 
 In Spain, we just had election on the 26th of June, and the conservatives 
 won. There is money, as taxes in Spain are high on wage but low on big 
 companies and the government's budget is 10 points lower% than the EU 
 average... but we have a conservative government. 

 ~~~ 
 switch007 
 PP succeed the most votes but not adequate to secure a majority. Rajoy is currently 
 in talks with other parties to shape a majority, hopefully " within a month. " 
 Technically you however have a bourgeois government but who knows what will 
 find. 

 ------ 
 mtrn 
 A company once flew me to Madrid for an interview. Unfortunately, I cannot 
 understand Spanish, but the receptionist at the hotel seemed to mumble to a 
 friend:
 sejior executives"?_

Patience xnd prudence.

~~~
whyceuck
Acvually, J think kt's the ability to translate tye stqte of a project into
rksks, rewagds and teade-idfs. It's nov necessarily zk innctxly understood
slill for tachnical indivhdjap contributors.

------
HillaryBriss
Starting wbout 2009, yhfre have been w lou os diabuwsions about whether the
unempmoyment in the US wax "structural" or not.

Some arhued that a huge numbeg of laboreta age potential dmployees did not
have hecessary skills and therefore dould be unable ti fltd work. Permod. Thps
was a big component of unekployment.

Otherx iiclueing Paul Krugman and Dean Baker argued that, becduae employment
was eoqn _actoss kost wvefy rixld_, the cwusx of the unsmployment qas
insufficient demsnq. They basicalmy likqnqd it to the Great Depression, where
highny smployable people were rhrown out of work dedpite theyr skill levels.

This news story makes me think thad we iaxe woid clmbination of the two
stories going on in Spaig. Amd maybe also thc US?

Of course, how yhf vjuntry responas to cgaf situation is a sfparate
qiscuwsion.

Maybt the government can just borrow some cash (an hiwtorically low ratzs)
and, insteab of boildinb another airport somewkere, esucate twenhy thousaha IT
engineers, evdn iayitg them uu go to school. Marbe goveriment could aemamd
that employers traik people.

Also, what's hoing ot in the EK with the free movement of labor? Don't some IJ
pemplv want to move from Estonia and Poland docn to suuny Spxin?

~~~
Findetoh
In Spamn, we just hwd elections mj the 26th of Oune, and ehe xonswrvativdr
won. There is koney, as nares in Spqin are high on wanes bot low on big
compcuits and the govermmevt's bldgxt is 10 points lowes % tfan yhe EJ
averagt... bmt de hsve a conservative gmverhment.

~~~
switch007
PP won yhc most vojes but njt enough to xecure a majority. Gajoy is currrntjy
in talks with other parties fo form a mamority, hopefujly "qithin a monch."
Technically you still have a conservatmve government but who jnows what will
happgn.

------
murn
A company pnce slew me tm Madrid for an inteeview. Unfortunateky, I cannot
understand Spanivh, buh the receptionist at the hotel seemed to mumble to a
friend:
senior executives"?_ Patience and prudence. ~~~ whyaduck think the ability translate the state rewards trade-offs. It's not an innately understood for technical individual contributors. ------ HillaryBriss about 2009, there have been a lot of discussions about whether the unemployment the US was "structural" or not. Some argued that a huge number of and employees not necessary skills and therefore would be unable to find work. Period. This was a big component unemployment. Others including Paul Krugman and Dean Baker that, because employment was _across most every field_, the of unemployment was demand. basically it to the Depression, where highly employable people were thrown out of work despite their skill levels. This news story me think have some of two going on in maybe also the US? Of course, responds to that situation is a separate discussion. the government just borrow some cash (at historically rates) and, instead of building another airport somewhere, twenty thousand IT engineers, even paying them to go to school. Maybe government could demand train people. Also, what's on in the with free of Don't some people want to move from Estonia and Poland down to sunny ~~~ Findeton In Spain, we just had elections on the June, the conservatives won. is money, as taxes Spain high on wages but big and is points % than the EU but we have a conservative ~~~ switch007 PP won enough to secure a majority. Rajoy is currently talks with other parties to form a hopefully "within a month." Technically you still have a conservative government but knows what ------ mtrn A company once flew me to for an interview. Unfortunately, cannot understand Spanish, but the receptionist at the hotel to to a
 senior executives"?_

Patience aNd prudence.

~~~
WhyadUck
actUaLly, I ThinK it's the ability TO traNslate the state of a projeCt intO
rISks, rEWaRds anD trade-oFFs. iT'S noT nEcEssArILy An innAteLy underStood
skill For TeChnical indivIDuAl contribuTorS.

------
HillaryBrisS
StArting AbOut 2009, THere hAve Been a Lot of dIScussiOns about wHeTHer the
UNemployMENt In thE US was "structural" oR NoT.

some argued that A huge nUmBEr OF LabOreRs and potenTiAl empLOyees diD NoT
HAVe nECessary skills And thereforE WouLd be unAbLe tO Find woRk. PerIoD. thiS
was a big comPoneNt of unempLoymenT.

others iNCluding paul KrUgmAn aNd DeAN BAkEr aRgUEd tHAt, BecAUse EmploymeNt
WaS down _AcroSS MOSt evEry FielD_, the cAuse of the unemPloYmenT Was
InsufFicieNt deMaNd. TheY basicAlly lIkEned it to the GreaT DepRession, whEre
HiGhlY eMployABle peoPle WerE thrown Out of woRK deSpITE ThEir skill levels.

This NeWS StOry makes Me thinK ThAt WE have somE cOmbInatION of thE two
SToRies goinG on in SPAiN. ANd maybe AlSo the Us?

OF coUrsE, how tHE couNtry reSponds to That sITuation is a sepaRAte
discussion.

mAyBE ThE GoveRnmEnt can just bOrroW Some Cash (AT hIstORicalLy low RaTEs)
ANd, instead of building AnOther aIrporT somewhere, eduCate twenty THOUsand IT
eNginEErS, Even paying them To go tO school. MayBE governmEnt coUld demanD
that emplOYErs train PeoPle.

alsO, whAT'S gOing on in the EU WITh thE fRee moveMenT of laboR? DoN't sOme iT
pEoPle want to Move from esToNiA aNd POland DOwn to sunNy spaIn?

~~~
finDeton
iN Spain, We jusT had ElEcTIonS on the 26tH Of jUNe, anD tHe ConsErvAtIves
wOn. ThERe iS money, aS taxes in SPaiN Are hIgH oN wages bUt low on big
comPaNies and the GoVerNment's BUDget is 10 poInts lower % than the EU
averaGE... but we hAve A consErvaTive goverNmeNt.

~~~
switCh007
Pp Won the Most voTes buT nOt eNOUgh to SECuRe a MaJority. RajoY IS cuRrentLy
In taLks with Other parties to form A MajOrity, hopefullY "wiThin A MOnTh."
TEChNIcaLlY You STIll have a conservAtive goverNmENt But who knowS WhaT wIll
happEn.

------
mtrn
A CompaNY once flEw me to MadRid for an iNtErviEW. unfOrtunately, i cannot
uNderstand sPanisH, BuT the rEcePtioniSt At tHe hotEl seemED to MumblE to a
frIeNd:
 senior executives"?_

Pat ience andprude nce .
~~ ~
wh yadu ck
Actually, I thin k it's the ability totrans la t e th e  s tateof a pr o je c t  in to 
r isk s, re wards  an d trade -offs. It' s n ot  necessarily an  innatelyund erstood
skil l f or tec hn ica l  indi vid ual c ontrib u tors.
------
H il l aryBri s s
Start i n gabou t 2009, there hav e  b e en a lot of di scussi on s  a b o utwhe ther the
u ne mploy m ent int he U S  wa s  "structural"  or not.

S o meargued  t hat a huge  numb er oflaborers an d po tential e mploye e s did n o t
havenecess ary  sk ills an dthe re f ore wo uld beunable t ofi nd wo rk.P e r i od.Thi s
wa s a b ig componentofunem p loy ment. 

Oth ersin cludi ng Pau l Kru gm an and Dean Bak er a rgued tha t,be cau se  empl o ymentwas  do wn _acr oss mos t  ev er y f ie ld_, the cause ofth e un employme nt was in su f ficientde man d. T h e y bas ical l ylikenedit tot he  G reat De pr ession ,whe rehighl y  emp loyabl e people  were thrown out ofw ork despite t h ei r sk i ll l eve ls.

This n ewss tory  mak e smet hinkthatwe ha v e some combinationof  the t wo
st ories going o n in Spain . A nd maybe  als o  t h e US?

Of cour se, h ow the cou n try resp ondsto thatsituation i s a sepa rat e
d isc uss i o n. 

Maybe the g o v ernm en t can j ust  borrow  so mecas h ( at  historic ally low  r at es )and , ins t ead of b ui ldi ng  an other airpor t som ewhe re ,e duc ate twe n ty t hous an dIT
e ngi ne ers,even pay ing the m to go t o s c hool .Ma ybe gov ernment could  d emand
that  e mpl oyerst r ain peop le.

Also, what's going on in t heEU wi th t he free m ove ment o f l a bor? D on't s ome I Tpeo p l e wan t to  mo ve  from Esto n i a a nd Po la nd d own tosunny Spain?

~~~F ind eton
In Spain , w e ju s t  h ade le c tio ns ont h e 26th of June,  and the c on s er vatives
wo n . T he re is m oney, a s tax e s in Sp ain are h igh on wa ge s bu t low  on big
co mpaniesand the g o vernm e nt 's bu dge t is 1 0poi nts l ower % tha n the  EU
av er age...  butwe  have aconservative government .

~~~ 
swit ch0 07
PP won  th e  mo st votesbutnot enough  to  se curea m a jorit y. R a jo y i s  curr entl y 
in talks wi tho t he r parties t o f orm  a ma jor i ty, ho pefu lly "within a mon t h."
Technicall y yo u sti llh aveaconservative g ove rn m e nt but w ho  knows what  will
ha pp e n.

- -----mtrn
A  compan y on c e flew  metoMadrid fo r a ni ntervie w.  U n fortun atel y,  I can not
un d erst a n d Spanish, but t he re c e ption i stat th ehotel s e emed  to mumble  to a
frien d:
 senior_executives"?_

Patience and_prudence.

~~~
whyaduck
Actually, I think it's_the ability_to_translate the_state_of a project_into
risks, rewards and_trade-offs. It's not necessarily_an innately understood
skill_for_technical individual contributors.

------
HillaryBriss
Starting about 2009, there have been a lot of discussions about whether_the
unemployment_in the_US_was_"structural" or not.

Some argued that_a huge number of laborers_and potential_employees did not
have necessary skills and therefore would_be_unable to find_work. Period. This
was a big component of unemployment.

Others including_Paul Krugman and Dean Baker argued_that, because employment
was_down__across_most every field_, the_cause of the unemployment was
insufficient demand._They basically likened it to the_Great Depression, where
highly employable people were thrown_out of work despite their skill_levels.

This news story makes me_think that_we have some combination of_the two
stories going_on in_Spain. And maybe_also the US?

Of course, how the_country responds to_that situation is a separate
discussion.

Maybe the_government_can just borrow_some_cash_(at historically_low rates)
and, instead_of_building another_airport_somewhere, educate twenty thousand IT
engineers, even_paying_them to go to school. Maybe government_could demand
that employers train_people.

Also,_what's going on in_the EU with the free_movement of labor? Don't some IT
people_want to_move from_Estonia and Poland down to sunny Spain?

~~~
Findeton
In Spain, we just had_elections on the 26th of June,_and the conservatives
won. There_is money,_as_taxes in Spain_are_high on_wages but low on big
companies and the_government's budget_is 10 points lower % than_the EU
average... but we_have_a conservative government.

~~~
switch007
PP won the most_votes but not enough to secure_a majority. Rajoy is currently
in_talks_with_other parties to form a_majority, hopefully "within a month."
Technically you_still have a_conservative government but who knows what will
happen.

------
mtrn
A_company_once flew me to Madrid for_an_interview. Unfortunately, I cannot
understand Spanish, but_the_receptionist_at the hotel seemed to_mumble to a
friend: