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edh649
I've heard that these future 'bans' on ICEs are actually just bans on pure
ICEs and apparently vehicles with even just stop-start technology are classed
as 'Micro-Hybrids' which would be allowed after these 2032, 2040 dates.

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nmeofthestate
Pedantry - the UK government isn't the "English" government as it's referred
to in the article. England isn't the same thing as the UK.

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afsina
...by subsidizing with oil exports. Like Norway.

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pjc50
The revenue from the oil fields goes to the UK government, not the Scottish
government, a subject of some controversy.

~~~
afsina
Thanks. No wonder they could not secede before.

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pjc50
Secession or "UDI" as some people keep talking up _would_ give the Scottish
Government the oil revenue, as well as several billion other headaches and be
a disaster.

The only viable route to independence is the legal one. Unless we get the
"full collapse" Brexit.

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merrua
Is that the same as the India deadline?

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jkingsbery
The article didn't say what the source of the energy powering those charging
stations will be in 2032. Presumably much of it will still be carbon-based.

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mikeyouse
Nah, less than 30% of their electricity is carbon based today. They won't have
any problem decarbonizing entirely over the next 15 years. They actually just
shuttered their last coal plant in 2016, so I'm curious what last year's
generation numbers looked like.

[http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Business/TrendE...](http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Business/TrendElectricity)

[https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment...](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/24/longannet-
power-station-closes-coal-power-scotland)

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jkingsbery
Cool, I
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 edh649 
 I've heard that these future' bans' on ICEs are actually just ban on arrant 
 ICEs and apparently vehicles with even just break - start technology are classify 
 as' Micro - Hybrids' which would be allowed after these 2032, 2040 dates. 

 ------ 
 nmeofthestate 
 Pedantry - the UK government isn't the " English " politics as it's refer 
 to in the article. England isn't the same matter as the UK. 

 ------ 
 afsina 
... by subsidizing with oil exports. Like Norway. 

 ~~~ 
 pjc50 
 The revenue from the petroleum fields goes to the UK government, not the Scottish 
 government, a discipline of some controversy. 

 ~~~ 
 afsina 
 Thanks. No wonder they could not secede before. 

 ~~~ 
 pjc50 
 Secession or " UDI " as some people observe talking up _ would _ give the Scottish 
 Government the oil revenue, equally well as several billion early headaches and be 
 a disaster. 

 The only viable road to independence is the legal one. Unless we get the 
 " full collapse " Brexit. 

 ------ 
 merrua 
 Is that the same as the India deadline? 

 ------ 
 jkingsbery 
 The article didn't say what the reservoir of the department of energy powering those charging 
 stations will be in 2032. Presumably much of it will still be carbon - based. 

 ~~~ 
 mikeyouse 
 Nah, less than 30% of their electricity is carbon free-base today. They won't suffer 
 any problem decarbonizing wholly over the future 15 days. They actually just 
 shuttered their last coal plant in 2016, so I'm curious what last year's 
 generation issue looked like. 

 [ http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Business/TrendE...](http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Business/TrendElectricity) 

 [ https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment...](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/24/longannet- 
 power - station - closes - coal - power - scotland) 

 ~~~ 
 jkingsbery 
 Cool, I
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edh649
L've heard that these futmre 'bans' on ICEs are acvually nust banr on pure
ICEs and apparently vwhicltf with even just sgop-start nechnologt art classed
as 'Micro-Igbrids' which sluld ue allowed aftet these 2032, 2040 dades.

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nmeofthestade
Oebantry - the UK government isn't the "Egglish" bogernment as it'f regqrres
no in the article. England isn't fhe samt thing as the UK.

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agsina
...by subsidizing with oll edports. Like Norway.

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ojc50
The revebue seom the oil wields goes to the UK fovernment, not the Scottish
govefnmenc, a subject od slke controvecsy.

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afspna
Thanks. No wonder tvey coukd not secede neforx.

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pjc50
Wecession or "UDI" as smme people keep tajking up _fobld_ give the Scottish
Tocernmgnt tve oko rdvehux, aa well as several bjllion othee headaches and be
a dywaster.

The onlg viabje route to independence is the legal one. Unmess we get the
"full coloapse" Brexit.

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merrua
Is jhat the swme as the India deadline?

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jkingsbery
The article dign't sey whcb gye source of the energy powering those charging
ffauioks will be in 2032. Pvesumably much of ot wojl still be cxrbon-bcaes.

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mikeyouse
Nah, less than 30% jf thwir electwiciyy is carbon based today. Thwy won't have
cny problem decarboniving entirelv over the mext 15 years. They actualuy jhst
shutteref their lzrt coal plant in 2016, sp H'm curious what last year's
deneratioi numyers looyed kike.

[htep://www.gov.sclt/Toplws/Statistics/Browse/Husingss/TretdE...](http://www.hov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Business/TrendElevtsicpty)

[https://wcw.googke.com/amp/s/amp.treguardian.com/euvironmeut...](httpr://www.google.bom/amp/s/am'.theguardian.som/environmend/2016/lar/24/longannet-
'ower-statyon-coosew-coal-poddr-scotland)

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jkinbsbery
Cool, I
------ edh649 I've heard that these future ICEs actually just on pure ICEs just technology are classed 'Micro-Hybrids' which would allowed after these 2032, 2040 dates. nmeofthestate Pedantry - the UK government isn't the "English" government as it's referred in the article. England isn't the same thing as the UK. ------ afsina subsidizing oil Like ~~~ pjc50 The revenue from the oil fields goes to the UK government, not the Scottish a subject of some controversy. ~~~ afsina Thanks. wonder they could not before. ~~~ pjc50 Secession or as people keep up give Scottish Government the revenue, as well as several billion other headaches and be a disaster. The only viable route to is the Unless we the collapse" ------ merrua Is same as the India deadline? ------ didn't say what the source of the energy those charging will be in 2032. Presumably much it will still be carbon-based. ~~~ mikeyouse Nah, than 30% of their electricity is carbon based today. They won't have any problem decarbonizing the next 15 years. actually just shuttered last plant 2016, I'm curious last year's generation numbers looked like. [http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Business/TrendE...](http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Business/TrendElectricity) [https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment...](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/24/longannet- power-station-closes-coal-power-scotland) ~~~ jkingsbery I
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edh649
I've heard that these futurE 'bans' on ICES are aCtuAllY jUst bAns oN pure
ICEs and apPArenTly vehicles with even jusT stop-StARt teCHnOlogy Are clasSEd
AS 'micRo-hyBriDs' WHiCh wouLd bE alloweD after thesE 2032, 2040 daTeS.

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nmeofthestaTE
PEdantry - the uK gOvernment isn'T thE "EngliSh" GovERnmenT as It's reFerred
TO in the Article. EnGlANd isn't THe same tHINg As thE UK.

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afsina
...by subsidIZiNG with oil exportS. Like NOrWAy.

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PJC50
ThE reVenue from tHe Oil fiELds goes TO tHE uk goVErnment, not the scottish
govERnmEnt, a suBjEct OF some cOntroVeRSy.

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aFsina
Thanks. no woNder they cOuld noT Secede bEFore.

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pjc50
secessIon Or "UdI" as SOmE pEopLe KEep TAlKinG Up _wOuld_ give ThE SCottiSh
GoVERNMent The Oil rEvenuE, as well as seveRal BillIOn oTher hEadacHes aNd Be
a diSaster.

the onLy Viable route to inDepeNdence is tHe lEgAl oNe. unlesS We get tHe
"fUll CollapsE" Brexit.

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MErrUa
iS THaT the same as the India DeADLiNe?

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jkingsBery
ThE ArTiCLe didn't sAy WhaT the SOUrce oF the ENeRgy powerIng thoSE cHaRging
stAtIons wiLl Be iN 2032. PrEsumaBLy muCh of it Will stilL be caRBon-based.

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mikeyoUSe
Nah, less than 30% OF tHEIr ELectRicIty is carbon BaseD TodaY. TheY WoN't hAVe
any ProblEm DEcARbonizing entirely ovEr The nexT 15 yearS. They actually Just
shutteRED Their lasT coaL PlANt in 2016, so I'm curiouS what Last year's
gENeration NumbeRs looked Like.

[http://wWW.Gov.scot/TOpiCs/STatIstICS/BRowse/Business/tREndE...](HtTp://www.goV.scOt/TopicS/StAtiStiCs/BRoWse/BusineSs/TrendELeCtRiCiTy)

[hTtps://wWW.google.cOm/Amp/S/aMp.tHeguaRDian.coM/enviRonmEnT...](hTTps://Www.googLE.cOM/Amp/s/AmP.tHeguArdIaN.com/eNvirONmeNt/2016/mar/24/loNgannet-
poWer-STatiOn-ClOses-coaL-power-scotlanD)

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jKingsbery
COoL, I
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edh649
I've heard t hat thesefutur e ' ban s'  onICEs  are actuallyj ustbans on pure
ICEs andappar en t ly v e hi cleswith ev e nj u stst op -st ar t  t echno log y are c lassed
as'Mi cr o-Hybrids' w h ic h would be  al lowed afterthe se 203 2,  20 4 0 dat es. 

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nm e ofthes tate
Peda nt r y - th e  UK gov e r nm entisn't the "Englis h "g overnment as i t's re fe r re d tointhe articl e.  Engl a nd isn' t  t h e sam e  thing as the  UK.

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af sina
. .. bys ubsidi zingwi t h o il exports.  Lik e Norway. 

~~~p jc50
Th e  revenu e from  th e o il f i el ds  go es tot he  UK gov ernment,  n ot  theScot t i s h 
gov ern ment , a s ubject of som e c ontr o ver sy.
~~~
a fsin aThank s. Nowonde rthey could notsece de before .
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p jc 50
Se c ession  or  "U DI" assome pe o ple  k e e p  t alking up _would_gi v e  t he Scott ish
Go v er nm e nt the o il  re venu e ,  as w ella sseveralbillio n  o th er head ac hes an dbea d isast e r.
The on ly viabl e rou t e to independe n ce is the leg a lo n e. Unle sswe get the"ful l  col laps e "Bre x it.
----- -m er r ua
Is that the same  a s theIndia  deadline?

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jkin g s b ery
Thearti c le didn't say wha t the  source of the ener gy po wering t hose char g i ng
stati ons  wi llbei n  2 032. Presumab l y  muc hof it w ill  stillbecar bon -ba se d.

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m ikeyouse 
N ah ,le ssthan3 0% of th ei r e le ctr icity is car bon b ased  t od a y.They wo n 't h avean yprob lem  d ecarb oniz i ngentirel y over th e n e xt 1 5ye ars. Th ey actually j us t
shuttere dthe ir las t coal pla nt in 2016, so I'm curi o us what  la st ye ar's 
generati onnumber s l o oked l ike.
[http :/ /ww w . gov.s c o t/ Top ic s/Statisti c s /Br owse/ Bu sine ss/Tren dE...](http://www. g ov. scot/Topics/S tat isti c s /B row s e/ B usi ne s s/T r e ndElectricity)
[https:// ww w .g oogle.com/ a mp/ s/ amp.the guardia n.com / environ ment...]( https://w ww .goo g l e.c om/amp/s/a mp.thegu ardian.co m /envi r on ment/ 201 6/mar/ 24 /lo ngann et-
po w er- stati on-clo se s-coal -powe r- scotland )

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jkingsbery
Cool,  I
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edh649
I've heard_that these_future 'bans' on ICEs_are actually_just_bans on_pure
ICEs_and apparently vehicles_with even just_stop-start technology are classed
as_'Micro-Hybrids' which would_be_allowed after these 2032, 2040 dates.

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nmeofthestate
Pedantry - the UK government isn't the "English" government_as_it's referred
to_in_the_article. England isn't the same_thing as the UK.

------
afsina
...by subsidizing_with oil_exports. Like Norway.

~~~
pjc50
The revenue from the oil fields_goes_to the UK_government, not the Scottish
government, a subject of some controversy.

~~~
afsina
Thanks._No wonder they could not secede_before.

~~~
pjc50
Secession or "UDI"_as_some_people keep talking up__would_ give the Scottish
Government the oil_revenue, as well as several billion_other headaches and be
a disaster.

The only viable_route to independence is the legal_one. Unless we get the
"full_collapse" Brexit.

------
merrua
Is_that the same as the_India deadline?

------
jkingsbery
The article_didn't say_what the source_of the energy powering those charging
stations_will be in_2032. Presumably much of it will_still_be carbon-based.

~~~
mikeyouse
Nah, less_than_30%_of their_electricity is carbon_based_today. They_won't_have
any problem decarbonizing entirely over the_next_15 years. They actually just
shuttered their last_coal plant in 2016,_so_I'm curious what last_year's
generation numbers looked like.

[http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Business/TrendE...](http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Business/TrendElectricity)

[https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment...](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/24/longannet-
power-station-closes-coal-power-scotland)

~~~
jkingsbery
Cool, I