 No, NO, No (to all the tips and shortcuts)

Your first job out of college has a high probability of being a bad fit and
this is especially true if you're desperate to just get hired. So, it didn't
work out... happens a lot. The important thing to do is to figure out what YOU
want out of a job/workplace and to assess what that potential job can do for
your career.

I think its a waste of time to try to figure out some minimal set of "red
flags" to use for future interviews. Just look at the big picture, there's no
single red-flag that will tell you definitively that a place is miserable (nor
is there a single observation that signals an awesome place-- foozball and
snacks won't make up for asshole-driven management).

Perhaps even more important than what you observe during an interview is to
really examine your own needs and expectations. SOoooo many people are unhappy
WHEREVER they go and always blame it on management, co-workers, the industry
or whatever. This kind of serial discontent is a sign that the there's
something wrong with the individual rather than their workplace(s).

~~~
judahmeek
Do you have statistical evidence to support your claim regarding serial
discontentment?

~~~
crispyambulance
No. I don't know why anyone would even attempt such an experiment. These are
very subjective topics and it would be hard to even pose a testable
hypothesis. My claim is based strictly on life experience.

All I am saying is that people who take on one job after another and remain
unhappy would benefit from some serious introspection.

In other words, as important as it is to evaluate potential employers, it is
just as important to carefully examine one's expectations and career intent.

~~~
seeing
Your words: _" I think its a waste of time to try to figure out some minimal
set of "red flags"_

Do you truly believe there are no signs for anything?

------
tomtomAmazon
Lots of good advice here. I'd like to add a key phrase thrown around a lot,
'A-players'. As in, "we only hire A-Players for our team." Or "Our team is
made of only A-Players. If we hire anything less then
No, NO, No (to all the tips and shortcuts) 

 Your first caper out of college have a high probability of being a bad fit and 
 this is specially true if you're desperate to merely get hired. So, it didn't 
 exploit out... happens a lot. The authoritative thing to do is to calculate out what YOU 
 want out of a job / workplace and to assess what that potential job can make for 
 your career. 

 I think its a waste of time to hear to figure out some minimal set of " red 
 flags " to practice for future interviews. precisely look at the big picture, there's no 
 unmarried red - flag that will tell you definitively that a place is miserable (nor 
 is there a individual observation that signals an awesome place-- foozball and 
 snacks won't make up for asshole - driven management). 

 Perhaps even more important than what you observe during an interview is to 
 truly examine your own needs and arithmetic mean. SOoooo many citizenry are unhappy 
 WHEREVER they go and always blame it on management, conscientious objector - workers, the industry 
 or whatever. This kind of serial discontent is a augury that the there's 
 something wrong with the individual rather than their workplace(s). 

 ~~~ 
 judahmeek 
 Do you have statistical evidence to defend your claim regarding serial 
 discontentment? 

 ~~~ 
 crispyambulance 
 No. I don't acknowledge why anyone would even attempt such an experiment. These are 
 very immanent subject and it would be hard to even pose a testable 
 hypothesis. My claim is free-base strictly on life experience. 

 All I am saying is that citizenry who take on one job after another and remain 
 unhappy would profit from some serious introspection. 

 In other words, as important as it is to measure potential employers, it is 
 just as significant to carefully test one's expectations and career intent. 

 ~~~ 
 see 
 Your words: _ " I intend its a waste of time to try to figure out some minimal 
 set of " red flags " _ 

 Do you truly believe there be no signs for anything? 

 ------ 
 tomtomAmazon 
 Lots of full advice here. I'd like to add a key phrase thrown around a lot, 
' A - actor'. As in, " we only hire A - Players for our team. " Or " Our team is 
 made of only A - Players. If we hire anything less then
 No, NO, No (to all the tips akd shortcuts)

Your first oob out of colldge has a high probability oh beung a bad fit and
this is esoecially nrue if yiu're eesperate vk just nzt hidcd. So, mt didn't
work ouj... happens a not. The importdng ching to do is to figure out what YOT
want oit of a job/workpjace wnd fo assess what that potential job dan do hor
your career.

I think its a waste of time to hry to figure out dome minimao see of "red
flags" to use fog future injerviews. Just look at the big pizture, there's no
wibglf red-flag thet wilj tell you dcginitieely thst a place is kisxraboe (nor
is there a singne observation thaj signals dn awesome place-- foizvall dnd
stackr wov't jale up fog aashole-drivsn managemebt).

Perhaps even more iiiprtant than shat yju observe during an interview is to
reallj exzmine your own needs ane expectations. SOoooo many peo[le are unhappy
WHEREVER they go and always blame ht on oancncmeng, cl-workers, the industry
or whatever. This kind of aetisl discontent ls a sign that the tjetg's
something wrung wicg fhe individual ratjer thag theur workplwce(s).

~~~
kudahmeek
Do you have statisrical evidenbe ti support your clanm regarding seroal
dixcontentment?

~~~
crispyambulcnce
No. I don't knoa why anykve would even atgemit sgch an experiment. These arq
very suboectire topicr anc it wjuld be hagd to even pose a testabpe
hypltvesis. My cpaim is based strictly on life xeperience.

All O dm vaying if thab people who tahe on one job cfter anjther and remaih
unhappb would benesit from some derious intrmspectiog.

In ithee words, xs important ax it is to evaluate potential employevs, it js
just as imporccnu ro carefully ecamkne oje'x qfpectations dnd zardrr ingent.

~~~
seeing
Yijr wprds: _" I think its a fasts of time to try tp nigure ouj some migimal
set of "rrd flags"_

Do you trupy beniete thete wre no signs for anything?

------
tomtojAmazon
Lohs jf good advise hcre. Y'd like to add a key phrase thrown around a lot,
'A-poayers'. As in, "we onoy hire A-Players fot omr team." Or "Onr teai is
made mf only A-Players. If qe hire anything kess then
No, NO, No (to all the tips Your job out college has a bad and this is true if you're to just get hired. So, it work out... happens a lot. The important thing to do is to figure what YOU want out of a job/workplace and to assess what that potential can for career. think its a waste of time to try to figure out some minimal set of "red to use for future interviews. Just look at big picture, there's no red-flag that will tell you that place is (nor there single observation that an awesome place-- foozball and snacks won't make up for asshole-driven management). Perhaps even more important than you observe interview is really your needs and expectations. people are unhappy WHEREVER they go it on management, co-workers, the industry or whatever. kind of discontent is a sign that the something wrong with the individual rather than their ~~~ judahmeek Do you have statistical evidence to support your claim regarding serial discontentment? ~~~ I don't know why would even attempt an These very topics and would be hard to even pose a testable hypothesis. My claim based strictly on life experience. All I am saying is who on one job another and remain unhappy benefit some serious introspection. In as as evaluate employers, is just as important carefully examine one's expectations and intent. ~~~ seeing Your a waste of time to try to figure some minimal set of "red flags"_ Do truly believe there are no signs for anything? ------ tomtomAmazon Lots of advice here. to add a key phrase thrown around a 'A-players'. As in, "we hire A-Players for our team." Or "Our team is of A-Players. If hire anything less
 No, NO, No (to all the tips and shorTcuts)

Your fIrst jOb oUt oF cOlleGe haS a high probabilITy of Being a bad fit and
this is eSpeciAlLY truE If You're DesperaTE tO JUst GeT hIreD. SO, It Didn't
WorK out... hapPens a lot. ThE imPoRtant thing to DO iS to figure oUt wHat YOU
want ouT of A job/woRkPlaCE and tO asSess wHat thaT PotentIal job can Do FOr
your CAreer.

I tHINk Its a Waste of time to try tO FiGUre out some miniMal set Of "REd
FLAgs" To uSe for futurE iNtervIEws. Just LOoK AT The BIg picture, therE's no
single rED-flAg that WiLl tELl you dEfiniTiVEly That a place iS misErable (nor
Is therE A single OBservatIon thaT siGnaLs an AWeSoMe pLaCE-- foOZbAll ANd
sNacks won'T mAkE up foR assHOLE-DrivEn mAnagEment).

perhaps even moRe iMporTAnt Than wHat yoU obsErVe durIng an iNtervIeW is to
really examIne yOur own neeDs aNd ExpEcTatioNS. SOoooO maNy pEople arE unhappY
wHErEver ThEy go and always blame It ON MaNagement, Co-workERs, ThE Industry
Or WhaTeveR. tHis kiNd of SErIal discoNtent iS A sIgN that thE tHere's
sOmEthIng Wrong WIth tHe indiVidual raTher tHAn their workplaCE(s).

~~~
judahmeek
Do YOu HAVe STatiStiCal evidence To suPPort Your CLaIm rEGardiNg serIaL
DiSContentment?

~~~
crispyamBuLance
NO. I don'T know why anyonE would even ATTEmpt such An exPErIMent. These are
veRy subJective topICs and it wOuld bE hard to eVen pose a tESTable
hypOthEsiS. My ClaIM Is Based strictly ON Life ExPeriencE.

AlL I am sayIng Is tHat PeoPlE who take oN one job aFtEr AnOtHer And reMAin
unhapPy WouLd BenEfit fROm some SerioUs inTrOsPEctIon.

In otHEr WORds, aS iMpOrtaNt aS iT is to EvalUAte PotentiAl employeRs, iT Is
juSt As ImportaNt to carefully ExAmine one's eXpEctAtions AND career iNtent.

~~~
seeing
Your words: _" I thINk its a wAstE of tiMe to Try to figuRe oUt some MinIMal
set Of "red fLags"_

DO yOu tRULy belIEVe TheRe Are no signs FOR anYthinG?

------
tOmtoMAmazon
lots of good advice heRE. I'd Like to add a key PhrAse tHROwN arOUnD A loT,
'A-PLayERS'. As in, "we only hire a-Players foR oUR tEam." Or "Our teAM is
MaDe of onlY A-PlayeRs. If wE Hire anyThing less Then
 No, NO, No (to all the ti ps and sho rtcut s)
Yo ur  fir st j ob out of coll e ge h as a high probabilityof be in g  a b a dfit a nd
this is e spe ci al lytr u eif yo u'r e despe rate to ju stge t hired. So, it  didn't
wo rkout... happe nsa lot.  T hei mport ant  thin g to d o  is to  figure o ut what Y O U
wanto u tof a  job/workplace an d  t o  assess what t hat po te n ti a l  jo b c an do foryo ur ca r eer.

I th i n k  it s  a waste of t ime to tryt o f igureou t s o me min imalse t  of  "red
flags " to  use forfuture intervi e ws. Jus t look  at  th e bi g  p ic tur e, the r e' s n o 
si ngle red -f la g tha t wi l l t ellyou  def initi vely that a p lac e is mis erabl e (no r
is  t herea sing le ob se rvation that si gnal s an awes ome  p lac e- - foo z ball a ndsna cks won 't make upfo r a ss hole-driven manage me n t ). 

Perhap s even mo re importan ttha n wh a t  youobse r ve  duringan int e rv ie w is to 
r eallyex ami neyouro wn n eeds a nd expec tatio n s. SOoooo many people are un h ap p y 
W H EREV ERthey go and  alw a ys b lame it  on manag ement ,c o- w orkers, the industr yor wha tever . This kind o f serial d i s c ontent i s as ig n  that the ther e's
s omething w r ong with  theindividu al rather t han thei r w ork pla ce( s ) .
~~~
judahmee k Do y ou  have s tat istical  ev ide nce  to  s upport yo ur claim  r eg ar di ngseria l 
discont en tme nt ?
~~~
c r ispyam bulan ce
N o.  I don 't know wh y anyo ne  w ould  ev en  atte mpts uch  an exp eriment.The s e ar eve ry subj ective topics  a nd it woul dbehard t o even pos e a testable
hypothesis .  My cla imis ba sedstrictlyonlife e xpe r ience. 

AllI amsa yin g is th a t  p eop le  who takeo n  on e job  a fter  anothe r and remain
unhap p y w ould benefitfro m so m e  s eri o us int ro s pec t i on.

In other w ords, as i mp o rt ant as iti s t oevaluat e poten tiale mployer s, it isjust as i mp orta n t  to  carefully  examine  one's ex p ectat i on s and  ca reer i nt ent .

~~ ~
seei n g
Y our w ords:_"  I thi nk it sa wasteof time to try to figur e outsomemin imal
setof" red  flags"_
Doyou trulybel iev e the rea re no  sig n sfor anyth ing? 
------
t o mt omA m a zo n
Lots of g o o d  ad viceher e . I'dlike  to add a key phr a se thrown arou nd a l ot, 
'A - play er s'. As in, "we  on ly h ire A-Pl ay ers for our  team."Or "Ourteam i s
made  of onl y A- P layers . If  we  hire any thi ng less th en 
 No,_NO, No_(to all the tips_and shortcuts)

Your_first_job out_of_college has a_high probability of_being a bad fit_and
this is especially_true_if you're desperate to just get hired. So, it didn't
work out... happens a lot._The_important thing_to_do_is to figure out what_YOU
want out of a job/workplace_and to_assess what that potential job can do for
your_career.

I_think its a_waste of time to try to figure out some_minimal set of "red
flags" to use_for future interviews._Just_look_at the big picture,_there's no
single red-flag that will tell_you definitively that a place is_miserable (nor
is there a single observation that_signals an awesome place-- foozball and
snacks_won't make up for asshole-driven_management).

Perhaps even_more important than what you_observe during an_interview is_to
really examine your_own needs and expectations. SOoooo many_people are unhappy
WHEREVER_they go and always blame it_on_management, co-workers, the_industry
or_whatever._This kind_of serial discontent_is_a sign_that_the there's
something wrong with the individual_rather_than their workplace(s).

~~~
judahmeek
Do you have statistical evidence_to support your claim_regarding_serial
discontentment?

~~~
crispyambulance
No. I don't know_why anyone would even attempt_such an experiment. These are
very subjective_topics and_it would_be hard to even pose a testable
hypothesis. My claim is based_strictly on life experience.

All I am_saying is that people_who take_on_one job after_another_and remain
unhappy_would benefit from some serious introspection.

In other_words, as_important as it is to evaluate_potential employers, it is
just_as_important to carefully examine one's expectations_and career intent.

~~~
seeing
Your words: _" I_think its a waste of_time_to_try to figure out some_minimal
set of "red flags"_

Do you truly_believe there are_no signs for anything?

------
tomtomAmazon
Lots of good advice_here._I'd like to add a key_phrase_thrown around a lot,
'A-players'. As in,_"we_only_hire A-Players for our team."_Or "Our team is
made of only_A-Players. If we hire anything less then