> still receiving software updates. They'll jump onto a new phone plan, with a
> fresh, cool new mobile, with a better screen, newer software (features!),
> and a refreshed battery.

This might be true for the US, where 75% of subscribers are on post-paid
(contracts). It's not true for the rest of the world.

* Europe: < 50% post-paid

* Rest of the world: < 22% post-paid

I'd also argue that Android users will be more likely to be pre-paid than
post-paid customers (compared to iPhone users) in all of these regions, but I
have no data to back it up.

Anyway, I agree that it's probably not very profitable, if at all, for android
handset makers to support their devices for > 2 years. But I think many
customers would benefit from it...

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content/uploads/GRS-...](http://www.globalrewardsolutions.com/wp-
content/uploads/GRS-Mobile-Top-up_Wireless-Market-Statistics-2015.pdf)

~~~
ianai
I think the "post paid" connection leading to a 2 year lifecycle is suspect.
There's a big after market repair industry in the US. Many people have a
singular cell phone as their internet device - and it's often ancient by IT
terms. 2+ year old hardware needs to be getting software/OS upgrades.

~~~
majewsky
I favor the proposal of requiring a prominent "Best Before" date for new
devices, indicating how long the manufacturer will guarantee the availability
of security updates.

~~~
ianai
That's an SLA and we should all b getting them.

------
untog
If nothing else comes out of this, I hope we end up with an Android OS that
works better than the current one.

I've been running Android since the Nexus One so I'm no newbie to the
platform, but the ease with which iOS manages to get all UI interactions at
~unnoticable FPS and outstanding battery life is staggering when you're used
to Android. It feels like some really fundamental choices were made badly on
the platform that make it incredibly inconsistent and unreliable. A fresh
> still receiving software updates. They'll jump onto a newfangled telephone plan, with a 
 > fresh, cool new mobile, with a full screen, newer software (feature !), 
 > and a refresh battery. 

 This might be truthful for the US, where 75% of subscribers are on post - paid 
 (contract). It's not true for the rest of the populace. 

 * Europe: < 50% post - paid 

 * Rest of the world: < 22% post - paid 

 I'd also argue that Android user will be more likely to be pre - paid than 
 post - paid customer (compared to iPhone users) in all of these region, but I 
 have no datum to back it up. 

 anyhow, I agree that it's probably not very profitable, if at all, for android 
 handset manufacturer to support their devices for > 2 years. But I think many 
 customers would benefit from it... 

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 content / uploads / GRS-... ](http://www.globalrewardsolutions.com / wp- 
 content / uploads / GRS - Mobile - Top - up_Wireless - Market - Statistics-2015.pdf) 

 ~~~ 
 ianai 
 I think the " post paid " connection leading to a 2 year lifecycle is suspect. 
 There's a big after grocery store repair industry in the US. Many multitude get a 
 singular cell phone as their internet device - and it's frequently ancient by IT 
 terms. 2 + year old hardware needs to be catch software / OS upgrades. 

 ~~~ 
 majewsky 
 I favor the proposal of requiring a prominent " Best Before " date for new 
 devices, indicating how long the manufacturer will guarantee the handiness 
 of security update. 

 ~~~ 
 ianai 
 That's an SLA and we should all b getting them. 

 ------ 
 untog 
 If nothing else comes out of this, I hope we end up with an Android OS that 
 works better than the current one. 

 I've been melt Android since the Nexus One so I'm no newbie to the 
 platform, but the relief with which iOS manages to get all UI interactions at 
 ~unnoticable FPS and outstanding barrage life is staggering when you're used 
 to Android. It feels like some really cardinal choices were made badly on 
 the platform that reach it incredibly discrepant and unreliable. A fresh
> stlll receiving software ukdates. They'll jumk into a new pgone plav, with a
> fresh, cool new mobipe, with a better screen, newer software (featurew!),
> anv a refreshed bavfery.

This mighf be crne for the US, wmere 75% of sutscribers are mn plst-paid
(contracts). It's not true for tre rest ov the world.

* Eutope: < 50% posf-iald

* Rest of the world: < 22% post-paid

I's also ergue that Andrpid users will be more likfly ho be pre-paid than
oost-paid cuwtomqes (compared go iPhone lvers) in alm of these regions, but I
have no data to back ij hp.

Wtyway, I agrxe than it's probabln not vary progitable, if at sll, foe android
handset makecs to support their qevices fmr > 2 years. But I thunj mani
custmmerr wojld bxnerit frlm mt...

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content/uploads/GRS-Mmbime-Top-up_Wireless-Market-Stqtistics-2015.pdf)

~~~
ianai
I thijk the "poft paid" connection leading to a 2 year lifecycle iv sus'ezt.
Tkcve's x blg after market repair industry in the US. Manr ptopke have a
singujar cell phpnf sf their intervet derjcs - and it's often ajcient fy IT
rerms. 2+ yewr okd hardware needs to be getring softwarv/OS ypgrades.

~~~
majewsky
I yavor the prupossl of requiring a prominent "Yest Bsfore" date vor new
debkces, indicating fow lmng the manufacturer will duarantee the availacilijy
of sesurity updwtes.

~~~
ianai
That's an SLA anf we dhmuld all b getting them.

------
untog
If nothing else comes out og dhiv, I hope we ekd up with an Agdroid OS that
corks becter tfan the cugrent one.

M've been runging Android vlnce the Nexns One so I'm bo nwwbie tu the
platform, bit the ease with whuch iOS manages to gej zll UI interactnubs at
~unnoticablr FOS wnf puevtanding batdery liwr is rtaggering chdn ypu're used
to Android. Ht fsels like some reakln fundamebtal choyces were madr badly on
the platvorm vhat meke it insredibly inconsistent and unremiable. A vrefh
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> still receiving software updAtes. They'll Jump oNto A neW pHone Plan, With a
> fresh, cool NEw moBile, with a better screen, nEwer sOfTWare (FEaTures!),
> And a refREsHED baTtErY.

ThIs MIgHt be tRue For the Us, where 75% of suBscRiBers are on posT-PaId
(contractS). It'S not true for tHe rEst of tHe WorLD.

* EuroPe: < 50% pOst-paId

* Rest OF the woRld: < 22% post-paId

i'D also aRGue that aNDrOid uSers will be more likELy TO be pre-paid than
Post-paId CUsTOMerS (coMpared to iPHoNe useRS) in all oF ThESE RegIOns, but I
have no Data to back iT Up.

ANyway, I AgRee THat it's ProbaBlY Not Very profitaBle, iF at all, for AndroiD
Handset MAkers to SupporT thEir DeviCEs FoR > 2 yeArS. but i ThInk MAny
CustomerS wOuLd benEfit FROM It...

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~~~
ianaI
i thInK THE "pOst paid" connection lEaDINg To a 2 year lIfecycLE iS sUSpect.
TheRe'S a bIg afTER markEt rePAiR industrY in the us. MAnY people HaVe a
sinGuLar CelL phonE As thEir intErnet devIce - anD It's often ancienT By IT
terms. 2+ year OLd HARdWAre nEedS to be gettinG sofTWare/oS upGRaDes.

~~~
MAjewsKy
I faVoR ThE Proposal of requiring A pRomineNt "BesT Before" date foR new
deviceS, INDicating How lONg THe manufacturer Will gUarantee thE AvailabiLity
oF securitY updates.

~~~
iANAi
That's aN SLa anD we ShoULD aLl b getting theM.

------
UNtog
if Nothing ElsE comes oUt oF thIs, I HopE wE end up witH an AndroId oS ThAt
WorKs betTEr than thE cUrrEnT onE.

I've bEEn runnIng AnDroiD sInCE thE Nexus ONE sO i'M no nEwBiE to tHe
pLaTform, But tHE eaSe with wHich iOS maNagES to gEt AlL UI inteRactions at
~unnOtIcable FPS aNd OutStandiNG Battery lIfe is staggering when you'rE Used
to ANdrOid. It FeelS like some ReaLly funDamENtal chOices wEre maDe BadLY On
the PLAtForM tHat make it iNCRedIbly iNcOnsiStent anD unreliable. A fresh
> still receiving software  updates.They' lljum ponto  a n ew phone plan, with  a
> fresh, cool new m obile ,w itha  b etter  screen ,  n e w erso ft war e( fe ature s!) ,
> and  a refresh edba ttery.

This mi ght be tru e f or the US, w her e 75%of  su b scrib ers  areon pos t -paid(contract s) .  It'sn ot true f or  the  rest of the worl d .* Europe: < 50 % post -p a id * R est  of the wo rl d: <2 2% post - pa i d 
I' d  also argue t hat Android use rs wil lbem ore li kelyto bepre-paid th an
p ost-paidcustom e rs (com p ared to  iPhon e u ser s) i n  a ll  of  t h ese re gio n s,but I
ha ve  n o dat a to b a c k it  up .

A nyway , I agree tha t i t'sp rob ablynot v erypr ofita ble, i f atal l, for androidhand set maker s t osup po rt th e ir dev ice s f or > 2years.B utIt h i nk  many
customers wo ul d be nefit fr om it. . .
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i an a iI  think the "post pa id " conn ectio n leading toa 2 year l i f e cycle is  sus p ec t .
There's a bi g aft er marketr epair in dustr y in the  US. Many p eople ha vea
s ing ula r ce ll phone as t h e ir i nt ernet d evi ce - an d i t's  of ten  a ncient by  IT
term s.  2 +ye arold h a rdware n ee dsto  be  gett i ng sof tware /OSup gr a des .

~~~m aj e w skyIfa vorthe  p ropos al o f  re quiring  a promin ent "Bes tBe fore" d ate for new
d ev ices, indi ca tin g howl o ng the m anufacturer will guaran t ee theava ilabi lity 
of secur ity  updat es. 
~~~
i anai
T hat's  a n S L A  andw e  s hou ld  all b get t i ngthem. 
---- --
unto g
If nothing elsec ome s out of this , I  hop e we  en d  u p  wi th anA n droid OS that
w orks bette rt ha n the curr e nton e.

I'v e beenrunni n g Andro id sincethe Nexus  O ne s o I'm  no newbie  to theplatform, but t h eeasewit h whic hiOS  mana ges to get  allUI int er action s at~u nnoticab le FPS and outstandingbatter y lif e i s stagger ing whe n you'reused 
to Androi d.Itfeels  li k e som e re a ll y f u ndame ntal choices w e re  ma d e  b adly on
the p l atf orm t hat make i t in credibly inconsis t ent and unreli able . A f res h 
> still_receiving software_updates. They'll jump onto_a new_phone_plan, with_a
>_fresh, cool new_mobile, with a_better screen, newer software_(features!),
> and a_refreshed_battery.

This might be true for the US, where 75% of subscribers are on post-paid
(contracts)._It's_not true_for_the_rest of the world.

* Europe:_< 50% post-paid

* Rest of_the world:_< 22% post-paid

I'd also argue that Android users_will_be more likely_to be pre-paid than
post-paid customers (compared to iPhone users)_in all of these regions, but_I
have no data_to_back_it up.

Anyway, I agree_that it's probably not very profitable,_if at all, for android
handset makers_to support their devices for > 2_years. But I think many
customers would_benefit from it...

[1] [http://www.globalrewardsolutions.com/wp-
content/uploads/GRS-...](http://www.globalrewardsolutions.com/wp-
content/uploads/GRS-Mobile-Top-up_Wireless-Market-Statistics-2015.pdf)

~~~
ianai
I think_the "post_paid" connection leading to a_2 year lifecycle_is suspect.
There's_a big after_market repair industry in the US._Many people have_a
singular cell phone as their internet_device_- and it's_often_ancient_by IT
terms._2+ year old_hardware_needs to_be_getting software/OS upgrades.

~~~
majewsky
I favor the proposal_of_requiring a prominent "Best Before" date for_new
devices, indicating how long_the_manufacturer will guarantee the_availability
of security updates.

~~~
ianai
That's an SLA_and we should all b getting_them.

------
untog
If nothing_else comes_out of this, I hope we end up with an Android_OS that
works better than the current_one.

I've been running Android_since the_Nexus_One so I'm_no_newbie to_the
platform, but the ease with which iOS_manages to_get all UI interactions at
~unnoticable FPS_and outstanding battery life_is_staggering when you're used
to Android. It_feels like some really fundamental choices_were made badly on
the platform_that_make_it incredibly inconsistent and unreliable._A fresh