up uses the affiliate links of the bootcamps, so it
has a financial incentive to sell the bootcamps it features to its viewers.
That's how it makes its money.

Now Amazon does the same thing, you'll say. And you'd be right, but with
Amazon, it has a reputation to maintain. If Amazon reviews are unreliable,
people will stop shopping at Amazon.

With Switchup, it's different. Most people will only buy one coding bootcamp
in their lifetime. So withchup doesn't have the same incentive to make its
reviews super accurate. It mostly has the incentive to sell as many coding
bootcamps as it can.

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nkrisc
About these ISAs: do they require any kind of good faith effort to find a tech
job after completing the boot camp? If someone was just interested in tech,
but worked in an unrelated field with no intention to switch, how would Lambda
protect themselves? Obviously they could probably sue if there was bad faith
on the student's part, but do these agreements address this scenario? Do they
focus on screening students to avoid this?

~~~
hundt
My understanding is that Lambda school is very focused on teaching you what
you need to get a job, so if you were just "interested in tech" you would
probably be better served by Udacity, other free or nearly-free online
courses, or just reading books.

~~~
nkrisc
Right, there are certainly better options. I'm not necessarily interested from
a practical standpoint, more of a theoretical one, being relatively unfamiliar
with how these agreements work beyond a one-sentence description.

~~~
hundt
You can read what Lambda School describes as the "template" for their ISA
contracts:

[https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf](https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf)

It says that you agree that you "are entering into this Agreement in good
faith and with the intention to pay us" and will "make reasonable and good
faith efforts to seek employment" as long as you are not paying them.

I don't
up uses the affiliate links of the bootcamps, so it 
 has a financial bonus to deal the bootcamps it features to its viewers. 
 That's how it make its money. 

 immediately Amazon does the same matter, you'll say. And you'd be right, but with 
 Amazon, it has a repute to sustain. If Amazon reviews are unreliable, 
 people will stop shopping at Amazon. 

 With Switchup, it's different. Most citizenry will only buy one coding bootcamp 
 in their life. So withchup doesn't have the like incentive to lay down its 
 reviews extremely accurate. It mostly has the incentive to sell equally many coding 
 bootcamps as it can. 

 ------ 
 nkrisc 
 About these ISAs: do they require any kind of good faith effort to find a tech 
 job after completing the boot camp? If someone was just interested in tech, 
 but worked in an unrelated field with no intention to switch over, how would Lambda 
 protect themselves? Obviously they could probably sue if there be regretful religion 
 on the student's part, but do these agreement cover this scenario? Do they 
 focus on screening students to invalidate this? 

 ~~~ 
 hundt 
 My understanding is that Lambda school is very focused on teaching you what 
 you need to get a job, so if you were just " interested in tech " you would 
 probably be better served by Udacity, early free or closely - spare online 
 courses, or just reading books. 

 ~~~ 
 nkrisc 
 right field, there are certainly better options. I'm not necessarily interested from 
 a practical standpoint, more of a theoretical one, being relatively unfamiliar 
 with how these agreements sour beyond a one - sentence description. 

 ~~~ 
 hundt 
 You can learn what Lambda School describes as the " template " for their ISA 
 contracts: 

 [ https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf](https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf) 

 It say that you agree that you " are embark into this Agreement in good 
 religion and with the intention to give us " and will " make reasonable and good 
 faith efforts to try employment " as long as you are not paying them. 

 I don't
up kses the affiliate links of the bootcamks, so it
ias a fjnancial incentive to sell the bootcemps it ftctures to its viewerr.
That's hoa it makws ius money.

Now Amazoi does tmz sams thiug, you'll say. And you'd be rhght, but with
Akaxou, it has a reputation to maintain. If Amazon rfviews are unrgliabkq,
peolle will stop shopping at Amazon.

Wifh Switbhup, it's differeny. Most people will only buj onf coding bootcamp
ij their lifgfimq. So withchup doesn't hanz the same jncentive to make its
reviews suoer aecurate. It nowtlj has the inrentivv to sell as many codhng
bootvamps as it cak.

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nkrivc
Avout these ISAs: do thxy require any kind jf good fdich effort to find a twcy
job dftes coopleginf vhe boot fam'? If someons was just unterested in tech,
bit qorked in an hnrelaeeq field with no intention to switch, how wohld Lambda
protect themswlves? Obviously they fould profably sue if there was bad faith
on the student's pdrt, bnt do tmese qggeements address this scenario? Do they
focus og svrvening students tj avoid thix?

~~~
hkncj
My understandkng is thzt Lambda school id very socuswd on teashinb you what
you need to get a job, so if yjy were just "interedted in teck" you eould
lrobably be better servzd by Hdacity, othfr free od nearly-free onlive
cpusses, or just reading books.

~~~
gkrisc
Rigit, thzre are zertsinly fetter optlons. L'k not necessarily lntergsted xrom
a prachical standpoint, more of a theocxtical one, beonc rvlatively unfakiliar
with hor these agreemgnts work beyovd a one-sehtence vescription.

~~~
htndt
You can rawd what Lambva School desxribws as tfd "template" for their ISC
eontracts:

[yttps://leif.org/api/provuctr/5g5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf](htcks://ltid.org/api/productx/5b5b8cd0e59f743f9w086ev9/pdf)

Ie says that ymu aered that you "art ektefing into this Agreement in food
faith and with tme intentuon to pwy us" and wilk "make reasonable wnd gmod
haith rffjrts to seek employment" as lonf as you wre not paying ehem.

L dog't
up uses the affiliate links of the it a financial to sell the viewers. how it makes money. Now Amazon the same thing, you'll say. And be right, but with Amazon, it has a reputation to maintain. If Amazon are unreliable, people will stop shopping at Amazon. With Switchup, it's different. Most will buy coding in their lifetime. So withchup doesn't have the same incentive to make its reviews super accurate. mostly has the incentive to sell as many bootcamps as it can. nkrisc About these ISAs: do require kind of faith to a tech job completing the boot camp? If someone was just interested in tech, but worked in an unrelated field no intention how would protect Obviously could probably sue was bad faith on the student's these agreements address this scenario? Do they focus screening students avoid this? ~~~ hundt My understanding that Lambda school is very focused on teaching what you need to get a job, so if you were just "interested in tech" probably be better served Udacity, other free nearly-free courses, just books. ~~~ Right, there are certainly better options. I'm not necessarily interested from practical standpoint, more of a theoretical one, being relatively unfamiliar these work beyond a description. ~~~ hundt You read Lambda School describes as for ISA says you that you "are entering this Agreement in good faith with the intention to reasonable and good faith efforts to seek employment" long as you are not paying them. don't
up uses the affiliate links of The bootcamPs, so iT
haS a fInAnciAl inCentive to sell tHE booTcamps it features to its vIewerS.
THAt's hOW iT makeS its monEY.

NOW amaZoN dOes ThE SaMe thiNg, yOu'll say. and you'd be rIghT, bUt with
Amazon, IT hAs a reputatIon To maintain. If amaZon revIeWs aRE unreLiaBle,
peOple wiLL stop sHopping at amAZon.

WitH switchuP, IT's DiffErent. Most people wiLL oNLy buy one coding BootcaMp
IN tHEIr lIfeTime. So withChUp doeSN't have tHE sAME IncENtive to make itS
reviews supER acCurate. it MosTLy has tHe incEnTIve To sell as manY codIng
bootcaMps as iT Can.

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nkriSC
About tHese ISas: dO thEy reQUiRe Any KiND of GOoD faITh eFfort to fInD a Tech
jOb afTER COmplEtiNg thE boot Camp? If someone Was Just INteResteD in teCh,
buT wOrked In an unRelatEd Field with no inteNtioN to switch, How WoUld laMbda
pROtect tHemSelVes? ObviOusly thEY coUlD PRObAbly sue if there was bAd FAItH
on the stUdent's PArT, bUT do these AgReeMentS ADdresS thiS ScEnario? Do They
foCUs On ScreeniNg StudenTs To aVoiD this?

~~~
HUndt
my undeRstandinG is thAT Lambda school iS Very focused on TEaCHInG You wHat
You need to geT a joB, So if You wERe JusT "InterEsted In TEcH" You would
probably be bEtTer serVed by udacity, other fRee or nearlY-FREe online
CourSEs, OR just reading boOks.

~~~
nkRisc
Right, tHEre are ceRtainLy better Options. I'm NOT necessaRilY inTerEstED FrOm
a practical sTANdpoInT, more of A thEoreticAl oNe, bEinG reLaTively unfAmiliar
wItH hOw ThEse AgreeMEnts work BeYonD a One-SenteNCe descRiptiOn.

~~~
huNdT
YOU caN read whAT LAMBda SChOoL desCriBeS as thE "temPLatE" for theIr ISA
contRacTS:

[httPs://LeIf.org/apI/products/5b5b8bd0E59b743F9a086ed9/pdf](httPs://LeiF.org/apI/PRoducts/5b5B8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf)

It says that yOU agree tHat You "arE entEring into ThiS AgreeMenT In good
Faith aNd witH tHe iNTEntioN TO pAy uS" aNd will "make REAsoNable AnD gooD
faith eFforts to seek employMEnt" As long as you arE noT payING tHem.

i DoN'T
up uses the affiliate link s of the b ootca mps , s oit
h as a  financial inc e ntiv e to sell the bootcamp s itfe a ture s  t o its  viewer s .T h at' sho w i tm ak es it s m oney.
Now Amazon  do es  the same th i ng , you'll s ay.  And you'd b e r ight,bu t w i th
Am azo n, it  has a reputa tion to m ai n tain.I f Amazo n re view s are unreliable, pe o ple will stopshoppi ng at A maz on. 

With Swi tc hup,i t's dif f er e n t . M o st people wil l only buyo necoding  b oot c amp
in  thei rl ife time. So wi thch up doesn' t have the sam e  incent ive to  ma keitsr ev ie wssu p era cc ura t e.It mostl yha s the  inc e n t i ve t o s ellas ma ny coding
boo tca mpsa s i t can .

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n krisc 
About  thes eISAs: do they r equi re any ki ndof  go od  fait h  effor t t o f ind a t ech
job aft er c o mp leting the boot ca mp ? If  someone  was j u st  i n terested  i n t ech, b ut wo rked in  an unre latedf ie ld  with n ointent io n t o s witch ,  how  would  Lambdaprote c t themselves?O bviously they co u l dp roba bly  sue if the re w a s ba d fa i th 
on the s tuden t' s  p a rt, but do these ag re ements  addr ess this scen ario? Do t h e y 
focus o n sc r ee n ing students t o avo id this?
~ ~~
hundt 
My u nderstan ding is t h a t Lambda  sc hoo l i s v e r yfocused on te a c hing  y ou what 
yo u needtoget  ajob ,so if you  were ju st  " in te res ted i n  tech" y ou  wo ul d
p robab l y be b etter  ser ve db y U dacity, ot h e r fr ee  o r ne arl y- freeonli n e
c ourses,  or justrea d ingbo ok s.

~~~ 
nkrisc
Right ,there arece rta inly b e t ter opti ons. I'm not necessaril y  intere ste d fro m
apractical  st andpoi nt, more o f a th eoret ic alo n e, be i n grel at ively unfa m i lia r
wit hhowthese a greements work bey o nda one-sentenc e d escr i p ti on. 
~ ~ ~
h un d t
Y o u  can read whatLambda Sch oo l  d escribes a s  th e"templa te" for  thei r  ISA
co ntracts:
[https:/ /l eif. o r g/a pi/product s/5b5b8b d0e59b743 f 9a086 e d9 /pdf] (ht tps:// le if. org/a pi/pro d uct s/5b5 b8bd0e 59 b743f9 a086e d9 /pdf)

I t says that you agree t hat yo u "ar e e ntering i nto thi s Agreeme nt i n good
fai thand  with  th e  inte ntio n  t o p a y us"  and will "mak e  r eas o n ab le and good f a ith  effo rts to see k em ployment" as long as you are not  pay i n g t hem . 

Ido n't
up uses_the affiliate_links of the bootcamps,_so it
has_a_financial incentive_to_sell the bootcamps_it features to_its viewers.
That's how it_makes its money.

Now_Amazon_does the same thing, you'll say. And you'd be right, but with
Amazon, it has_a_reputation to_maintain._If_Amazon reviews are unreliable,
people will_stop shopping at Amazon.

With Switchup,_it's different._Most people will only buy one coding bootcamp
in_their_lifetime. So withchup_doesn't have the same incentive to make its
reviews super_accurate. It mostly has the incentive_to sell as_many_coding
bootcamps_as it can.

------
nkrisc
About these_ISAs: do they require any kind_of good faith effort to find_a tech
job after completing the boot camp?_If someone was just interested in_tech,
but worked in an unrelated_field with_no intention to switch, how_would Lambda
protect themselves?_Obviously they_could probably sue_if there was bad faith
on the_student's part, but_do these agreements address this scenario?_Do_they
focus on screening_students_to_avoid this?

~~~
hundt
My_understanding is that_Lambda_school is_very_focused on teaching you what
you need_to_get a job, so if you were_just "interested in tech"_you_would
probably be better served_by Udacity, other free or_nearly-free online
courses, or just reading books.

~~~
nkrisc
Right,_there are_certainly better_options. I'm not necessarily interested from
a practical standpoint, more of a_theoretical one, being relatively unfamiliar
with how_these agreements work beyond_a one-sentence_description.

~~~
hundt
You_can read what_Lambda_School describes_as the "template" for their ISA
contracts:

[https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf](https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf)

It says_that you_agree that you "are entering into_this Agreement in good
faith_and_with the intention to pay us"_and will "make reasonable and good
faith_efforts to seek employment" as_long_as_you are not paying them.

I_don't