 coverage for children in
your female dominated company could result in very real losses to your
employees, and by extension, you as a company.

>Put client's answers in brokerage program; Choose highest commission in top
10; Recommend product

..is PRECISELY the type of thing that licensing is designed to protect the
consumer from.

Group health insurance is extremely complex, particularly in the US where it
is really the ONLY health insurance a person has. These are people's lives
we're talking about here...you can't wait until you HAVE cancer to find out
that your plan doesn't cover it.

The only thing this entire thread is showing is exactly why not having
licensed, knowledgeable professionals advising on insurance is a very real
concern.

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wslh
It is very interesting to read about other approaches for growth. For example,
Google waited patiently several years until a business model worked.

Imagine Google starting today with a protoversion of PageRank.

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snappy173
it's a matter of risk.

when you're trying to be a billion dollar company, you have to take big risks.
in that context, the risk of getting caught for breaking the law becomes
palatable.

when you're trying to create a stable, profitable, but more modest sized
company, that risk becomes a threat to your business.

it's a big problem when these types of risks start to make sense from a
business perspective, because it's the public, not the people that create this
environment, that end up suffering.

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pascalxus
I don't understand what all the outrage is about. The online training keeps
you logged in for a period of inactivity that COUNTS towards your 52 hours,
which is perfectly legitimate. All they did was create and use a tool which
extends this period of inactivity. How in the world is it that this is
outragous in any way? This is a very minor fault, certainly not worthy of all
the sensationalism that NY times has created, once again.

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jonesb6
"Zenefits scandal highlights the perils of breaking the law at startups"

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auggierose
>Mr. Conrad had overseen a company that had become _derelict_ in its culture
and ethics

Zoolander much
coverage for children in 
 your female dominated company could result in very veridical personnel casualty to your 
 employees, and by elongation, you as a party. 

 > Put client's answer in brokerage house program; Choose highest commission in top 
 10; Recommend product 

.. is PRECISELY the type of matter that licensing is designed to protect the 
 consumer from. 

 Group health insurance is extremely complex, particularly in the US where it 
 is in truth the ONLY health insurance a person has. These are people's lives 
 we're talk about here... you can't wait until you HAVE cancer to find out 
 that your design doesn't cover it. 

 The only matter this entire train of thought is showing is precisely why not having 
 licensed, knowledgeable professionals advise on insurance is a very real 
 concern. 

 ------ 
 wslh 
 It is very interesting to read about other approach for growth. For example, 
 Google waited patiently several years until a business model worked. 

 Imagine Google starting today with a protoversion of PageRank. 

 ------ 
 snappy173 
 it's a matter of hazard. 

 when you're try on to be a billion dollar company, you receive to subscribe big risks. 
 in that context, the risk of getting catch for breaking the law becomes 
 palatable. 

 when you're trying to make a stable, profitable, but more modest sized 
 company, that risk becomes a threat to your occupation. 

 it's a big problem when these types of risks begin to make common sense from a 
 clientele perspective, because it's the public, not the people that create this 
 environment, that end up agony. 

 ------ 
 pascalxus 
 I don't understand what all the outrage is about. The online education keeps 
 you log in for a period of inactivity that count towards your 52 hours, 
 which is perfectly legitimate. All they did was create and practice a tool which 
 extends this period of inactivity. How in the worldly concern is it that this is 
 outragous in any way? This is a very minor fault, certainly not worthy of all 
 the sensationalism that NY clock time has created, once again. 

 ------ 
 jonesb6 
 " Zenefits scandal highlights the perils of breaking the law at startups " 

 ------ 
 auggierose 
 > Mr. Conrad had overseen a company that had become _ abandoned ship _ in its culture 
 and ethics 

 Zoolander much
 cogerage for children in
yomr female dominajee compeny coumd resulg in very real losses to youc
empooyeew, and by extension, you as a comiany.

>Put coienu's answers in brokerage pvjgraj; Chomwe highest comkission in top
10; Recommend pfobuct

..is PRECISELY the type of thing trat licrnding is designgd to [rotsbt the
consumer from.

Group health insuraice is extremelu complex, particularly in hhe KS where it
is realpy the ONLY heajrh insurance a person has. These arg people's lives
we're talking aboug herz...you can't wqir ujjil you HAVE cancvr to find oub
nhat yogr plan doesn't cover lt.

The onoy thing this entire vhread is showing is exactly fhv not having
licensed, jniwledceabne pfifersiknels advislng on insurahce is a veey real
concern.

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wslh
Iu if very interesfing tj wead about other approaches for growth. Xor example,
Google waited pqtiently several yeard until a business model worked.

Imagine Google starting toddy wivh a kritovefwiln of PageRank.

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snappy173
it's a matter of risk.

when rku'te trying to be c billion dollar clmlwny, you have jo take bif risks.
in that conhext, thg risk of gettigg csught for breaking the law vecomes
palatcblw.

when you're trying to create c stabke, prpfitable, but more modesc sizes
company, thwt risk bszomes a threat tu ypus business.

it's a big problei when thxse tvpes of fiskx stare to make dense from a
business perdpectnve, bacause it's the public, not the people that create this
enfisonkent, thac end mp suffering.

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passalxus
I don't uuderstanb what all the oltrage is about. The jnline trainith keeps
you lmgged in for a pwriod ow inactivity thst COUNTS towards yiur 52 hours,
which is petfsctly legitimatz. Qll they did wax cfeaee aid usq a tool whicv
extdndr this period of lnaztivoty. How in the world is jt that this is
outtanous in aby way? Tris is a very minor fault, certalnly iot wocthy og ajl
the sensationalism that NY tjmes has frewted, once agwin.

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jinesb6
"Zenefitx scandal highlights the perils of breajing the law at sjartups"

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auggierose
>Mr. Cpkrad had ovecseen w company that had become _derwlict_ in its cultmre
and ethics

Zoolander much
coverage for children in your female dominated result very real to your employees, a >Put client's answers brokerage program; Choose commission in top 10; Recommend product PRECISELY the type of thing that licensing is designed to protect the consumer Group health insurance is extremely complex, particularly in the US where it is the health a has. These are people's lives we're talking about here...you can't wait until you HAVE cancer to out that your plan doesn't cover it. The thing this entire thread showing is exactly why not licensed, professionals advising insurance a real concern. ------ It is very interesting to read about other approaches for growth. For example, Google waited patiently several until a worked. Imagine starting with protoversion of PageRank. it's a matter of risk. when be a billion dollar company, you have to big risks. that context, the risk of getting for breaking the law becomes palatable. when you're to create a stable, profitable, but more modest sized company, that risk becomes a threat business. it's a big when these types risks to sense a business because it's the public, not the people that create this environment, end up suffering. ------ pascalxus I don't understand what all is The online training you logged in for period inactivity that COUNTS towards hours, is they was and use a tool extends this period of inactivity. in the world is in any way? This is a very minor certainly not worthy of all the sensationalism NY times has created, once again. ------ jonesb6 "Zenefits scandal highlights the of breaking at startups" ------ auggierose >Mr. Conrad had overseen company that had become in its culture and ethics Zoolander much
 coverage for children in
your Female domiNated ComPanY cOuld ResuLt in very real loSSes tO your
employees, and by extEnsioN, yOU as a COmPany.

>PUt clienT'S aNSWerS iN bRokErAGe ProgrAm; CHoose hiGhest commiSsiOn In top
10; RecommeND pRoduct

..is PReCIsELY the type oF thIng thaT lIceNSing iS deSigneD to proTEct the
Consumer fRoM.

group hEAlth insURAnCe is Extremely complex, pARtICularly in the US Where iT
iS ReALLy tHe OnLY health iNsUrancE A person HAs. tHESe aRE people's lives
We're talking ABouT here...yOu Can'T Wait unTil yoU HavE cAncer to find Out
tHat your plAn doesN'T cover iT.

the only Thing tHis EntIre tHReAd Is sHoWIng IS eXacTLy wHy not havInG
lIcensEd, knOWLEDgeaBle ProfEssioNals advising oN inSuraNCe iS a verY real
ConcErN.

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wslh
it is veRy intErEsting to read aboUt otHer approaCheS fOr gRoWth. FoR ExamplE,
GoOglE waited PatientLY seVeRAL YeArs until a business mOdEL WoRked.

ImagIne GooGLe StARting todAy WitH a prOTOversIon oF paGeRank.

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snAppy173
it'S A mAtTer of riSk.

When yoU'rE trYinG to be A BillIon dolLar compaNy, you HAve to take big riSKs.
in that conteXT, tHE RiSK of gEttIng caught foR breAKing The lAW bEcoMEs
palAtablE.

wHEn YOu're trying to create a StAble, prOfitaBle, but more modEst sized
coMPANy, that riSk beCOmES a threat to your BusinEss.

it's a big PRoblem whEn theSe types oF risks staRT To make seNse FroM a
bUsiNESs Perspective, beCAUse iT's The publIc, nOt the peOplE thAt cReaTe This
envirOnment, thAt EnD uP sUffEring.

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PAscalxus
i dOn't UnDerStand WHat all The ouTragE iS aBOut. the onliNE tRAIninG kEePs
yoU loGgEd in fOr a pERioD of inacTivity thaT COunTS tOwArDs your 52 hOurs,
which is peRfEctly legitImAte. all theY DId was creAte and use a tool which
exteNDs this pEriOd of iNactIvity. How iN thE world Is iT That thIs is
ouTragoUs In aNY Way? ThIS Is A veRy Minor fault, CERtaInly nOt WortHy of all
The sensationalism tHAt Ny times has creaTed, Once AGAiN.

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joNEsB6
"zenEfITs sCANdal highlights tHe perils of BrEAkIng the law aT StaRtUps"

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auggIerose
>MR. ConrAD had oveRseen a comPany that hAd BecoME _DerElict_ in its Culture
aNd ethics

ZOOlandER mUch
 coverage for children inyour femal e dom ina ted  c ompa ny c ould result in very  real losses to your
e mploy ee s , an d  b y ext ension, yo u asaco mpa ny . 
>Putcli ent's a nswers inbro ke rage program ;  C hoose high est  commissionintop
10 ;Rec o mmend  pr oduct 

..is PRECIS ELY the t yp e  of th i ng that l ic ensi ng is designed to pr o tect the
consu mer fr om . 
G r oup  he alth insur an ce is extreme l yc o m ple x , particularl y in the US whe re itis  re a lly th e ONL Yh eal th insuranc e aperson ha s. The s e are p e ople'sliveswe' retalk i ng  a bou th ere . .. you can 't waitun ti l you  HAV E c a ncer  to  fin d out 
that your pl andoes n 'tcover  it.
The  o nly t hing t his e nt ire thread is s howi ng is exa ctl ywhy  n ot ha v ing
li cen sed , knowl edgeabl e  pr of e s s io nals advising on i ns u r an ce is avery r e al 
c o ncern.
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ws l h 
It i s ve r yinterest ing to re ad  aboutot her ap pr oac hes  forg rowt h. For  example ,
Goo g le waited pati e ntly severaly ea r s  u n tila b usiness mod el w o rked .

I m ag ine Googl e sta rt i ng today with a protov er sion o f Pag eRank.

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snappy17 3 i t's a ma tter of risk.

when yo u'retrying tob e a bill ion d ollar co mpany, yo u have totak e b igris k s .in that conte x t , th erisk of  ge tting c aug htfor  br ea king thelaw beco me spa la tab le.
w hen you' re  tr yi ngto cr e ate astabl e, p ro fi t abl e, butm or e mode st  s ized 
co mp any,that ris k becom es a thre att o yo ur  b usiness .

it's a big  p roblem whe nthe se typ e s  of risk s start to make sense f r om a
bu sin ess p ersp ective, b eca use it 'st he pub lic, n ot th epeo p l e tha t cr eat ethis
envir o n men t, th at  end  up suf fering.

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pa s cal xus
I don't u nde rsta n d  w hat al l  th eo utr a g e is about. The  online tr ai n in g keeps
yo u  lo gg ed in f or a pe riodo f inact ivity tha t COUNTSto ward s you r 52 hours ,
whichis perfec t ly le g it imate . A ll the ydid  wascreate and  usea tool  w hich
e xtend sthis per iod of inactivity. Howin the  worl d i s it that  th i s i s
outrago us i n any way?  Th isis aver y  mino r fa u lt , c e rtain ly n o t worthyo fall t he  sensationa l i s m t hat N Y t i mes ha s cr eated, once again . 

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jones b6
" Z e nef its scan da l highlights t hepe r i ls of br ea king the la w at sta rt u ps"
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auggi erose
> M r .C onradhadove rseen a c omp an y  that h ad  b e come _ dere li ct_ in  its c u ltur e and ethics

Zool ander m uch
 coverage_for children_in
your female dominated company_could result_in_very real_losses_to your
employees, and_by extension, you_as a company.

>Put client's_answers in brokerage_program;_Choose highest commission in top
10; Recommend product

..is PRECISELY the type of thing that licensing_is_designed to_protect_the
consumer_from.

Group health insurance is extremely_complex, particularly in the US_where it
is_really the ONLY health insurance a person has._These_are people's lives
we're_talking about here...you can't wait until you HAVE cancer_to find out
that your plan doesn't_cover it.

The only_thing_this_entire thread is showing_is exactly why not having
licensed, knowledgeable_professionals advising on insurance is a_very real
concern.

------
wslh
It is very interesting to read_about other approaches for growth. For_example,
Google waited patiently several years_until a_business model worked.

Imagine Google starting_today with a_protoversion of_PageRank.

------
snappy173
it's a matter_of risk.

when you're trying to be_a billion dollar_company, you have to take big_risks.
in_that context, the_risk_of_getting caught_for breaking the_law_becomes
palatable.

when you're_trying_to create a stable, profitable, but_more_modest sized
company, that risk becomes a threat_to your business.

it's a_big_problem when these types_of risks start to make_sense from a
business perspective, because it's_the public,_not the_people that create this
environment, that end up suffering.

------
pascalxus
I don't understand what_all the outrage is about. The_online training keeps
you logged_in for_a_period of inactivity_that_COUNTS towards_your 52 hours,
which is perfectly legitimate. All_they did_was create and use a tool_which
extends this period of_inactivity._How in the world is it_that this is
outragous in any way?_This is a very minor_fault,_certainly_not worthy of all
the sensationalism_that NY times has created, once_again.

------
jonesb6
"Zenefits scandal highlights_the perils of breaking the law at_startups"

------
auggierose
>Mr._Conrad had overseen a company that_had_become _derelict_ in its culture
and ethics

Zoolander_much