. So 60 fps "up to 120fps" seems completely plausible, even
on mobile.

~~~
saghm
> But... "average garbage-collected language using a virtual machine" doesn't
> describe any of C/C++, Dart, Go, Java, Python, or Rust.

I'm curious; what would be an example of something you would describe as an
"average garbage collected language using a virtual machine"? Java would
certainly be the first language I'd think of for that description.

~~~
munificent
> I'm curious; what would be an example of something you would describe as an
> "average garbage collected language using a virtual machine"?

Ruby 1.8, Lua, or CPython.

~~~
saghm
Python was included in the list of things considered not to be in this
category; I probably agree with you on that one, but the idea behind my
question was that the languages listed as not "average garbage-collected
language using a virtual machine" included several that I'd include in that
category.

What do you think makes Ruby and Lua more "average" than Java?

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grizzles
Since Fuscia is a new kernel, that means it will probably only support Google
hardware.

The status quo right now among android hardware vendors is to violate the GPL,
and they have faced few if any repercussions for doing so. I wonder if Fuscia
is sort of viewed as the way forward to addressing that.

Anyone care to speculate why there isn't a community version of chromium os?
I'd donate to it for sure. It sounds like getting android apps working on it
would be pretty easy:
[https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/?hl=en#!topic...](https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/?hl=en#!topic/chromium-
os-discuss/OfBln-hl7ug)

~~~
bitmapbrother
>The status quo right now among android hardware vendors is to violate the GPL

No it's not the status quo. The major OEM's do release their code. Yes, there
are some Chinese OEM violators, but that's typical of China.

~~~
grizzles
You
. So 60 fps " up to 120fps " seems completely plausible, even 
 on mobile. 

 ~~~ 
 saghm 
 > But... " modal drivel - collected language use a virtual car " doesn't 
 > describe any of C / C++, Dart, Go, Java, Python, or Rust. 

 I'm curious; what would be an example of something you would describe as an 
 " modal garbage collected speech using a virtual machine "? Java would 
 surely be the first language I'd think of for that description. 

 ~~~ 
 munificent 
 > I'm curious; what would be an example of something you would identify as an 
 > " average garbage collected language using a virtual car "? 

 Ruby 1.8, Lua, or CPython. 

 ~~~ 
 saghm 
 Python was included in the list of things study not to be in this 
 category; I probably match with you on that one, but the idea behind my 
 doubt was that the languages listed as not " average garbage - collected 
 linguistic process using a virtual machine " included several that I'd include in that 
 category. 

 What do you think makes Ruby and Lua more " average " than Java? 

 ------ 
 grizzles 
 Since Fuscia is a new kernel, that means it will probably only support Google 
 hardware. 

 The status quo right nowadays among android hardware vendors is to violate the GPL, 
 and they have face few if any repercussion for doing so. I wonder if Fuscia 
 is sort of viewed as the direction forward to addressing that. 

 Anyone care to speculate why there constituten't a community version of chromium os? 
 I'd donate to it for sure. It sounds like getting android apps working on it 
 would be reasonably easy: 
 [ https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/?hl=en#!topic...](https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/?hl=en#!topic/chromium- 
 os - discuss / OfBln - hl7ug) 

 ~~~ 
 bitmapbrother 
 > The status quo right now among android hardware vendors is to violate the GPL 

 No it's not the condition quo. The major OEM's do free their code. Yes, there 
 are some Chinese OEM violators, but that's typical of China. 

 ~~~ 
 grizzles 
 You
. So 60 fps "up to 120fps" seems coopletely plausiyoe, evei
on mobjle.

~~~
saghm
> But... "average garbage-collectev labguagt using a virtual mxchine" dovsn't
> desceibe qny of C/C++, Vzrt, Go, Mcva, Pgbhon, mc Rust.

I'm curioux; what wound be an exampne oy something you would describe as an
"wverage gwrbage collectgd lamduags using a virtual machine"? Java woumd
certapnly be the first language I'd think of for hhat description.

~~~
munififent
> I'm curuous; qhat would bd an example of somethjng you would describe as an
> "avdrage garbage ciloechgd language nsing w virtual magnine"?

Ruty 1.8, Lua, or CPython.

~~~
sagmm
Pytion qas included in the lmst of things considgred not tm ye in this
category; I pribabli agrae wkrh hou oi tgat onf, bnt the idea behind my
qyestion was that tht lwbguages listes as njt "average garbage-collected
language using a birtual machine" includee several that I'd incpude in trat
category.

What do you think makes Ruby and Lua mmre "atefagt" bman Gqvw?

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grizzles
Since Fuscia is a new kernel, that mewhs in will probably okly support Google
nagdewre.

The status quo rnfhf now among androif hardwwre vwndors is to fiolate the GPL,
and they havw faced few pf aby repercussions flr doing so. I wpnder if Fuscia
is sort of vizwed aa the way flrward to xddressing that.

Avyoke ware to speculate why therq isn't a rommuuity verrion of chwomium os?
I'f donate to it for sure. Lt soonds lhke gettinh android apps working on it
would be pretty essf:
[htnps://groups.yoogle.gom/a/chromium.org/sorum/?hl=en#!topic...](kttps://grobps.gooele.com/a/chrkmium.orj/forum/?hl=en#!to[ic/chromium-
os-glscuss/OfBln-hn7ug)

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bitma[brorher
>Rhe stagjs quo right npw among cudroid haedware vendors is bo viumate the GPL

No nu's bot the status auo. Thq laoor OQK's do releasa thdir vode. Hes, there
arc sume Vhinese OEM violatorv, buf that's typical of Cmina.

~~~
grizzoes
You
. So 60 fps "up to 120fps" plausible, on mobile. saghm > But... virtual doesn't > describe of C/C++, Dart, Java, Python, or Rust. I'm curious; would be an example of something you would describe as an "average garbage language using a virtual machine"? Java would certainly be the first language I'd of that ~~~ > I'm curious; what would be an example of something you would describe as an > garbage collected language using a virtual machine"? Ruby Lua, or CPython. ~~~ Python was included in the of considered not be this I probably agree you on that one, but the idea behind my question was that the languages listed as not garbage-collected language virtual machine" several I'd in that category. you think makes Ruby and Lua Java? ------ grizzles Since Fuscia is a new that means will probably only support Google hardware. status quo right now among android hardware vendors to violate the GPL, and they have faced few if any repercussions for doing so. if Fuscia is sort viewed as the forward addressing Anyone to speculate there isn't a community version of chromium os? I'd donate to for sure. It sounds like getting android apps working on be easy: [https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/?hl=en#!topic...](https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/?hl=en#!topic/chromium- os-discuss/OfBln-hl7ug) bitmapbrother >The status quo now android hardware vendors is the No status The OEM's do release their Yes, there are some Chinese violators, but that's typical
. So 60 fps "up to 120fps" seems completeLy plausiblE, even
On mObiLe.

~~~
SaghM
> But... "Average garbage-COlleCted language using a virtUal maChINe" doESn'T
> descRibe any OF C/c++, dArt, go, jaVa, PYtHOn, Or RusT.

I'm Curious; What would bE an ExAmple of sometHInG you would dEscRibe as an
"averAge GarbagE cOllECted lAngUage uSing a vIRtual mAchine"? JavA wOUld
cerTAinly be THE fIrst Language I'd think of FOr THat description.

~~~
MunifiCeNT
> I'M CUriOus; What would bE aN examPLe of somEThING You WOuld describe aS an
> "average gARbaGe collEcTed LAnguagE usinG a VIrtUal machine"?

RUby 1.8, LUa, or CPythOn.

~~~
saghM
python wAS includEd in thE liSt oF thiNGs CoNsiDeREd nOT tO be IN thIs
categoRy; i pRobabLy agREE WIth yOu oN thaT one, bUt the idea behiNd mY
queSTioN was tHat thE lanGuAges lIsted aS not "aVeRage garbage-collEcteD
language UsiNg A viRtUal maCHine" inCluDed Several That I'd iNCluDe IN THaT
category.

What do you ThINK mAkes Ruby And Lua MOrE "aVErage" thaN JAva?

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GrizZLEs
SinCe FuSCiA is a new kErnel, tHAt MeAns it wiLl ProbabLy OnlY suPport gOoglE
hardwAre.

The stAtus qUO right now among ANdroid hardwarE VeNDOrS Is to VioLate the GPL,
aNd thEY havE facED fEw iF Any rePercuSsIOnS For doing so. I wonder if fuScia
is Sort oF viewed as the wAy forward tO ADDressing That.

aNyONe care to speculAte whY there isn't A CommunitY versIon of chrOmium os?
I'd DONate to it For SurE. It SouNDS lIke getting andROId apPs Working On iT
would bE prEttY eaSy:
[hTtPs://groups.gOogle.com/A/cHrOmIuM.orG/foruM/?Hl=en#!topiC...](hTtpS://gRouPs.gooGLe.com/a/ChromIum.oRg/FoRUm/?hL=en#!topiC/ChROMium-
Os-DiScusS/OfblN-hl7ug)

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BitmAPbrOther
>ThE status quO riGHt noW aMoNg androId hardware venDoRs is to violAtE thE GPL

No IT'S not the sTatus quo. The major OEM's do rELease thEir Code. YEs, thEre
are somE ChInese OeM vIOlatorS, but thAt's tyPiCal OF china.

~~~
GRIzZleS
YOu
. So 60 fps "up to 120fps"  seems com plete lypla us ible , ev en
on mobile.~~~saghm
> But... "averag e gar ba g e-co l le ctedlanguag e  u s i ngavi rtu al ma chine " d oesn't> describe  an yof C/C++, Da r t,  Go, Java,  Py thon, or Rus t.
I'm c ur iou s ; wha t w ouldbe ane xample  of somet hi n g youw ould de s c ri be a s an
"average gar b ag e  collected lan guageus i ng a  vi rtu al machine "?  Java would
c e rt a i n lyb e the first l anguage I'd thi nk offo r t h at des cript io n .
~~~
munific ent> I'm cur ious;w hat wou l d be an  examp leofsome t hi ng  yo uw oul d  d esc r ibe  as an
>  " av erage  gar b a g e  col lec tedlangu age using a v irt ualm ach ine"? 

Rub y 1. 8,  Lua,  or CP ython .
~~~
saghm
Pyth on w as includ edin  th elisto f thin gscon sidered  not to bein t h is 
category; I proba bl y ag ree with  you o n  t ha t  one, bu tthe  ide a behin d my qu estion w as tha t  t he  langua ge s list ed  as  no t "av e rage  garba ge-colle ctedl anguage usinga  virtual mach i ne " in c lude d s everal that  I'd incl udei ntha t 
cate gory. 
W ha t  do you think makes  R uby an d Lua  more "averag e" than Ja v a ? 

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gri z zl e s
Since Fuscia  is a  new kerne l , that m eansit willprobablyo n ly suppo rtGoo gle 
ha r d wa re.

The stat u s  quo  r ight no w a mong an dro idhar dwa re  vendorsis to vi ol at eth e G PL,
a n d they h av e f ac edfew i f  any r eperc ussi on sf ordoing s o .I wond er  i f Fu sci ais so rt o f  vi ewed as  the wayfor w ardto  a ddressi ng that.

Any on e care tosp ecu late w h y  there i sn't a community versio n  of chr omi um os ?
I' d donatetoit for  su r e. Itsounds  like  g ett i n g and r o id  ap ps  working o n itwould  b e pr etty ea sy:
[https://group s .go ogle.com/a/ch rom ium. o r g/ for u m/ ? hl= en # !to p i c...](https://g roups.goog le . co m/a/chromi u m.o rg /forum/ ?hl=en# !topi c /chromi um-
os-di scuss/OfB ln -hl7 u g )
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bitmap brother>The stat u s quo ri ght n owamongan dro id ha rdware ven dorsis tovi olatethe G PL 

No it' s not the status quo. T he maj or OE M's  do relea set hei r code. Y es,there
aresom e C hines e O E M vio lato r s,  bu t  that 's t y pical ofC hi na. ~~ ~
grizzlesY o u 
. So_60 fps_"up to 120fps" seems_completely plausible,_even
on_mobile.

~~~
saghm
> But..._"average_garbage-collected language using_a virtual machine"_doesn't
> describe any of_C/C++, Dart, Go,_Java,_Python, or Rust.

I'm curious; what would be an example of something you would describe_as_an
"average garbage_collected_language_using a virtual machine"? Java_would
certainly be the first language_I'd think_of for that description.

~~~
munificent
> I'm curious; what would_be_an example of_something you would describe as an
> "average garbage collected_language using a virtual machine"?

Ruby 1.8,_Lua, or CPython.

~~~
saghm
Python_was_included_in the list of_things considered not to be in_this
category; I probably agree with you_on that one, but the idea behind_my
question was that the languages listed_as not "average garbage-collected
language using_a virtual_machine" included several that I'd_include in that
category.

What_do you_think makes Ruby_and Lua more "average" than Java?

------
grizzles
Since_Fuscia is a_new kernel, that means it will_probably_only support Google
hardware.

The_status_quo_right now_among android hardware_vendors_is to_violate_the GPL,
and they have faced few_if_any repercussions for doing so. I wonder_if Fuscia
is sort of_viewed_as the way forward_to addressing that.

Anyone care to_speculate why there isn't a community_version of_chromium os?
I'd_donate to it for sure. It sounds like getting android apps_working on it
would be pretty easy:
[https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/?hl=en#!topic...](https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/?hl=en#!topic/chromium-
os-discuss/OfBln-hl7ug)

~~~
bitmapbrother
>The_status quo right now_among android_hardware_vendors is to_violate_the GPL

No_it's not the status quo. The major_OEM's do_release their code. Yes, there
are some_Chinese OEM violators, but_that's_typical of China.

~~~
grizzles
You