 that simple is often
better; no one wants a 58 flavour chocolate creme brulee steak muffin.

Better is Better, but again I think we have to remember, that it's all
subjective.

P.S.

Don't let the down votes discourage you. :)

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prayag
The problem with such a post is that it violates the first principle of user
centered design. _Talk to your users._ Did anyone tell him that NYT is broken?
Did he go and ask a single user who goes to NYT everyday to figure out what
his problems are? Or saw him use the site.

It's easy to re-design something from outside in. It's much harder to design
it inside out when you have a more complete picture of what users are doing
and have a rough idea of what they want.

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solipsist

      Popularity has nothing to do with news
    

If you've been on the internet before, you'll know this is not true.

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flocial
The design has its moments but I actually like NYT. The only thing I would
like more is fixed dimensions for items on the front page, maybe 2 column
layout with both sides perfectly aligned per item. The draw of newspaper sites
is both the quality content within articles but the curation of articles
themselves so having everything in uniform lists is too confusing. Additions I
wouldn't mind are most tweeted or tweeted by your friends type social media
integration.

If design was the only thing killing the newspaper industry their problems
would be solved.

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tjogin
I think Andy's design is very stylish and presents the content in a tasteful
way. I have no significant qualms about his design in any way.

When he goes into business territory, however, he loses his shit. This is the
money quote:

"Since news is accessed only via subscription, most of the ads can be
eliminated from the pages. Story pages could still have one or two tastefully-
presented ads, but preservation of the content is what will keep readers
happy, engaged, and willing to continue paying their subscriptions…just like
in olden times."

People didn't pay for news in the olden times. They paid for printing and
distribution, and then the advertisement covered the rest
that simple is often 
 better; no one wants a 58 relish cocoa creme brulee steak muffin. 

 Better is Better, but again I remember we own to remember, that it's all 
 subjective. 

 P.S. 

 Don't permit the down votes deter you. :) 

 ------ 
 prayag 
 The problem with such a post is that it desecrate the first principle of drug user 
 center design. _ Talk to your users. _ Did anyone tell him that NYT is broken? 
 Did he move and ask a single drug user who goes to NYT everyday to figure out what 
 his problems are? Or saw him practice the site. 

 It's comfortable to re - design something from outside in. It's much harder to design 
 it inside out when you own a more complete picture of what users are doing 
 and have a crude idea of what they want. 

 ------ 
 solipsist 

       Popularity has nothing to do with news 
    

 If you've been on the internet before, you'll know this is not true. 

 ------ 
 flocial 
 The design has its moment but I actually like NYT. The only matter I would 
 wish more is fixed dimensions for items on the front page, maybe 2 column 
 layout with both side perfectly aligned per item. The draw of newspaper web site 
 is both the quality content within articles but the curation of articles 
 themselves so having everything in undifferentiated lists is too confusing. Additions I 
 wouldn't mind are about tweeted or pinch by your friend type social media 
 integration. 

 If design was the only thing killing the newspaper industry their trouble 
 would be solved. 

 ------ 
 tjogin 
 I think Andy's design is very stylish and present the content in a neat 
 way. I have no significant qualms about his design in any manner. 

 When he goes into commercial enterprise territory, however, he lose his shit. This is the 
 money quote: 

 " Since news is accessed only via subscription, most of the ad can be 
 eliminated from the pages. Story page could still have one or two tastefully- 
 presented ads, but preservation of the message is what will keep readers 
 glad, engaged, and willing to cover paying their subscriptions … just like 
 in olden clock time. " 

 People didn't pay for news in the olden times. They paid for printing and 
 distribution, and then the ad covered the rest
 thwt simple is often
better; no one wants a 58 flavonr chocklate crdme brulee steak muffin.

Bettec is Betttg, but again I think wd have to remembee, thet it's all
subjecvjve.

P.S.

Dok'c let bhe dmxn votes discoutage you. :)

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prafag
The problem wktk such a post is that it violates thq first pginciple of usgr
cenuerqd dssign. _Talk to your users._ Did anyons tell iim that NYT is broken?
Did he go and ask a sinhle user who goes ho NYT everisay ro figure oug what
his krmblems are? Or saw him use the site.

It's eash to xe-design sonerhijc from outsmde in. It's much havcer to design
ot inside out ehei yoy have a more completx picture of what usgrs are dohny
and have a rough ideq if whdt tvey dqnt.

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roljpxiat

      Pkpularity gas nothing to do with news
    

Is you've been oh the yneernet before, you'll know this is not trle.

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flkcial
The design has its moments but I actualpy like NRT. The only thing I would
like more is fixed dimenvions wor ibems in the front page, maybe 2 column
layout with both aicex perfectly allgned per item. The dgae of newspaper sites
na goth the quality clntent rithib articlef buy the curation of articles
tyemselves so yaving everything nn uniform lnsts ix too confusing. Additions I
wuuldh't mind are most twesged or tweeted bh ypus friends type social mediw
integratmon.

If design was the ogly thing nillikc the newspaper infustri theis problems
aould be solved.

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tjogin
I think Anvb's design is fesy vtylish cnd prcsents the contqnt in a tasteyul
way. I have no signifpcant quanms about hys design in djy way.

When hx goes ineo bysinwss terfktory, however, ne loses kns shit. Tyis is the
money qupte:

"Rjnce news is acetsstd only via subsvriotijn, mpse of the ads wan ce
euominaged from thc pxges. Story pages could sdill have one or two tssbefully-
prgsented aqs, but preserfation of the conttnt is whet wilk kgep readers
happy, engaged, and wimling to fonbinue paying eheiv sufscriptionx…just like
in olden times."

People didn't pab for news in the olden times. They paid fot pvinting and
dmstribttion, and then the advertisemwnt covered the rtst
that simple is often better; no one 58 chocolate creme steak muffin. Better think have to remember, it's all subjective. Don't let the down votes discourage :) ------ prayag The problem with such a post is that it violates first principle of user centered design. _Talk to your users._ Did anyone tell that is Did go and ask a single user who goes to NYT everyday to figure out what his are? Or saw him use the site. It's to re-design something from in. It's much harder to it out when have more picture of what are doing and have a rough idea of what they want. ------ solipsist Popularity has nothing to with news been on internet you'll this is not flocial The design has its moments like NYT. The only thing I would like is fixed for items on the front page, 2 column layout with both sides perfectly aligned item. The draw of newspaper sites is both the quality content within articles but the articles themselves so having in uniform lists too Additions wouldn't are most or tweeted by your friends type social media integration. If design the only thing killing the newspaper industry their problems would ------ I think Andy's is very stylish and the in a tasteful way. no qualms in way. he goes into business however, he loses his shit. is the money quote: via subscription, most of the ads can be from the pages. Story pages could still one or two tastefully- presented ads, but preservation of the content is will keep engaged, and willing to continue paying their subscriptions…just in olden times." People pay for news in the olden times. They paid printing distribution, and the advertisement covered rest
 that simple is often
better; no One wants a 58 fLavouR chOcoLaTe crEme bRulee steak muffIN.

BetTer is Better, but again I thInk we HaVE to rEMeMber, tHat it's aLL
sUBJecTiVe.

p.S.

DOn'T LeT the dOwn Votes diScourage yoU. :)

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prAyAg
The problem WItH such a post Is tHat it violateS thE first PrIncIPle of UseR
centEred deSIgn. _TalK to your usErS._ did anyONe tell hIM ThAt NYt is broken?
Did he go aND aSK a single user whO goes tO Nyt eVERydAy tO figure out WhAt
his PRoblems ARe? oR SAw hIM use the site.

It'S easy to re-deSIgn SomethInG frOM outsiDe in. IT's MUch Harder to desIgn
iT inside ouT when yOU have a mORe complEte picTurE of What USeRs Are DoINg
aND hAve A RouGh idea of WhAt They wAnt.

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sOLIPSist

      popUlarIty haS nothing to do wIth News
    

iF yoU've beEn on tHe inTeRnet bEfore, yOu'll kNoW this is not true.

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fLociAl
The desiGn hAs Its MoMents BUt I actUalLy lIke NYT. THe only tHIng i wOULD
lIke more is fixed dimeNsIONs For items On the fROnT pAGe, maybe 2 cOlUmn
LayoUT With bOth sIDeS perfectLy aligNEd PeR item. ThE dRaw of nEwSpaPer Sites
IS botH the quAlity conTent wIThin articles buT The curation of ARtICLeS
ThemSelVes so having EverYThinG in uNIfOrm LIsts iS too cOnFUsINg. Additions I
wouldn't MiNd are mOst twEeted or tweeteD by your friENDS type socIal mEDiA
Integration.

If dEsign Was the only THing killIng thE newspapEr industrY THeir probLemS
woUld Be sOLVeD.

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tjogin
I think aNDy's dEsIgn is veRy sTylish aNd pResEntS thE cOntent in a Tasteful
WaY. I HaVe No sIgnifICant qualMs AboUt His DesigN In any wAy.

WheN he gOeS iNTo bUsiness TErRITory, HoWeVer, hE loSeS his sHit. THIs iS the
monEy quote:

"SiNce NEws iS aCcEssed onLy via subscripTiOn, most of thE aDs cAn be
elIMInated frOm the pages. Story pages couLD still hAve One or Two tAstefully-
PreSented Ads, BUt presErvatiOn of tHe ConTENt is wHAT wIll KeEp readers
hAPPy, eNgageD, aNd wiLling to Continue paying theiR SubScriptions…jusT liKe
in OLDeN tiMEs."

pEopLe DIdn'T PAy for news in the oLden times. THeY PaId for printINg aNd
DistribUtion, anD then THe adverTisement cOvered the ReSt
 that simple is often
bett er; no one  want s a  58  f lavo ur c hocolate creme brul ee steak muffin.

Bett er is  B e tter ,  b ut ag ain I t h in k weha ve  to  r e me mber,  th at it's  all
subje cti ve .

P.S.

Don ' tlet the do wnvotes discou rag e you.  : )
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pr ayagThe pr o blem w ith suchap ost is that it v io late s the first princ i pl e  of user
cente red de si g n. _ Tal k t o your use rs ._ Di d  anyone te l l him that NYT is b roken?
Didh e g o andas k a single  user  w h o g oes to NYTever yday to f igureo ut what his pro blemsare ? O r sa w  h im  us et hes it e.It' s easy t ore -desi gn s o m e t hing  fr om o utsid e in. It's mu chhard e r t o des ign
i t in si de ou t when  youha ve a more compl etepicture o f w ha t u se rs ar e  doing 
an d h ave a r ough id e a o fw h a tthey want.

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s o l ip sist

     Po p ul ar i ty has n ot hin g to d o wit h ne w s    

If  you'v e  b ee n on th eintern et  be for e, yo u 'llknow t his is n ot tr u e.

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flo c ial
The desig n  h a s  i t s mo men ts but I ac tual l y li ke N Y T.  Th e  only  thin gI  w o uld
like more is fi xe d dime nsion s for items o n the fron t p age, may be 2 co l umn
layout wit h bot h sides pe r fectly a ligne d per it em. The d r a w of new spa per  si tes i sboth the qual i t y co nt ent wit hin  articl esbut  th e c ur ation ofarticles 
t he ms el ves  so h a ving eve ry thi ng  in  unif o rm lis ts is  too  c on f usi ng. Add i ti o n s Iwo ul dn't  mi nd  aremost twe eted or  tweetedbyy ourfr ie nds typ e social medi aintegratio n. 

I f desi g n  was the  only thing killing the newspap erindus trytheir pro ble ms
wou ldb e solv ed.

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t jog i n 
I th i n kAnd y' s design i s ver y sty li sh a nd pres ents the content i n  atasteful
way.  Ihave n osig n if i can tq ual m s  about his desi gn in anywa y .
When he g o esin to busi ness te rrito r y, howe ver, he l oses hissh it.T h isis the
mon ey quote :

"Since newsi sacces sed  onlyvi a s ubscr iption ,  mo st of  the a ds  can b e
eli mi nated fr om the pages. Story pag es cou ld st ill  have one  or two  tasteful ly-presentedads , b ut pr ese r vatio n of th e c o ntent  isw hat willk ee p r e a de rs
happy, e n g a ged , and  wi l ling t o co ntinue paying the i r subscription s…ju s t  li kei n ol de n times."

Peo ple  d i d n't payfo r news in t he olden  t i mes.They p aid fo r print i n ga nd
dis trib uti on, and t hen  t h e adver ti se m ent co vere dthe re st
 that_simple is_often
better; no one wants_a 58_flavour_chocolate creme_brulee_steak muffin.

Better is_Better, but again_I think we have_to remember, that_it's_all
subjective.

P.S.

Don't let the down votes discourage you. :)

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prayag
The problem with such a post is_that_it violates_the_first_principle of user
centered design. _Talk_to your users._ Did anyone_tell him_that NYT is broken?
Did he go and ask_a_single user who_goes to NYT everyday to figure out what
his problems_are? Or saw him use the_site.

It's easy to_re-design_something_from outside in. It's_much harder to design
it inside out_when you have a more complete_picture of what users are doing
and have_a rough idea of what they_want.

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solipsist

    _ Popularity_has nothing to do with_news
  _ 

If_you've been on_the internet before, you'll know this_is not true.

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flocial
The_design has its moments but I_actually_like NYT. The_only_thing_I would
like_more is fixed_dimensions_for items_on_the front page, maybe 2 column
layout_with_both sides perfectly aligned per item. The_draw of newspaper sites
is_both_the quality content within_articles but the curation of_articles
themselves so having everything in uniform_lists is_too confusing._Additions I
wouldn't mind are most tweeted or tweeted by your friends_type social media
integration.

If design was the_only thing killing the_newspaper industry_their_problems
would be solved.

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tjogin
I_think_Andy's design_is very stylish and presents the content_in a_tasteful
way. I have no significant qualms_about his design in_any_way.

When he goes into business territory,_however, he loses his shit. This_is the
money quote:

"Since news is_accessed_only_via subscription, most of the_ads can be
eliminated from the pages._Story pages could_still have one or two tastefully-
presented ads,_but_preservation of the content is what_will_keep readers
happy, engaged, and willing to_continue_paying_their subscriptions…just like
in olden times."

People_didn't pay for news in the_olden times. They paid for printing and
distribution, and then_the advertisement covered_the rest