 - which their familiar approach probably worked for them
for years and they are fine with it. What do you offer them to justify taking
this risk? I mean, maybe you are so spectacular that employing you is worth
any risk. But naturally most people aren't that exceptional, by definition.
Their experience shows 5-day weeks works great for them, how much better would
be 4-day week to justify the risks?

> Civilization as a whole would benefit as a result if there were more people
> putting their brains to problems they think matter.

Is there any proof that there's significant marginal increase compared to
thousands of existing research institutions that have tens of thousands of
very smart people already spending years attacking practically every important
problem? Would amateurs spending one day a week on side projects significantly
change the picture here - and offset the above-mentioned professionals _not_
spending one day a week on their area of expertise (instead doing their
hobbies in turn)? I am not sure this is that obvious.

~~~
losvedir
People argue it here all the time but I'm certainly skeptical. The hardest
intellectual work of my life, my undergrad at MIT, I spent far more than 8
hours a day, 4 days a week on. The idea that all the undergrads there burning
the midnight oil are just being foolish and don't they know they could get all
their work done in less time doesn't pass the smell test for me.

~~~
akhilcacharya
Most people don't do MIT level intellectual work...

~~~
Freak_NL
Such an effort is also quite different from salaried work. When you are taking
an undergraduate course you put a lot of effort into a finite project. You
tend to have the energy reserve for something bounded like that, but it does
come at a cost. Usually, at the age where you would enrol in an undergraduate
program, the gains outweigh the cost, and the cost is often lowered
significantly by the intrinsic motivation of working on your own interests.

With salaried work the only effective limit is your retirement. Working more
simply means more income, but if that extra income isn't needed, or doesn't
net you enough extra benefits compared to simply having time off, the cost of
being mentally engaged for such a large part of the week just doesn't weigh up
- which their familiar approach probably worked for them 
 for days and they are all right with it. What do you offer them to justify lead 
 this hazard? I mean, maybe you are so dramatic that employing you is worth 
 any hazard. But naturally most citizenry aren't that exceptional, by definition. 
 Their experience show 5 - day weeks work great for them, how much better would 
 be 4 - day week to justify the hazard? 

 > Civilization as a whole would benefit as a result if there exist more people 
 > putting their brains to problems they remember matter. 

 Is there any proof that there's significant marginal increase compared to 
 thousand of existing research institutions that have tens of thousands of 
 very fresh people already spending years attacking practically every important 
 problem? Would amateurs spending one day a workweek on slope projects importantly 
 transfer the movie here - and offset the above - mentioned professionals _ not _ 
 spending one day a week on their area of expertness (instead doing their 
 hobbies in turn)? I am not sure this is that obvious. 

 ~~~ 
 losvedir 
 People argue it here all the time but I'm certainly skeptical. The hardest 
 intellectual work of my biography, my undergrad at MIT, I spend far more than 8 
 hours a day, 4 days a week on. The idea that all the undergraduate there burning 
 the midnight oil are just being foolish and don't they know they could get all 
 their work done in less time doesn't fall the smell examination for me. 

 ~~~ 
 akhilcacharya 
 Most people don't do MIT flush intellectual employment... 

 ~~~ 
 Freak_NL 
 Such an effort is besides quite different from salaried workplace. When you are taking 
 an undergraduate course you arrange a lot of attempt into a finite project. You 
 tend to give birth the energy reserve for something bounded like that, but it does 
 come at a cost. normally, at the age where you would enrol in an undergraduate 
 plan, the gains outweigh the cost, and the cost is often lowered 
 significantly by the intrinsic motivation of solve on your own interests. 

 With salaried work the only effective limit is your retirement. Working more 
 merely mean more income, but if that excess income isn't need, or doesn't 
 net you enough extra benefits compare to simply having time off, the price of 
 being mentally engaged for such a large part of the week just doesn't count up
 - wjich their familiar appruach probably worked fmr thej
for yeafs and they are fine with it. Wyat di you offer them to jurtify takpng
this rusk? M mean, maybe you are so spectadmlar chet employing yoo is worth
anf risk. But natgrxlpy most people aren't that exceptionwl, by drflnition.
Their evperpegce ahows 5-day weeks works great for thsm, how kuch better wpuld
be 4-day week to justify the risks?

> Civilizatioj as a wholg wotod benefit ar a result if there wete more people
> putting their brakns tp problems tyey jhink matter.

Ms thege any proof bnat thare's sibnificant marglnal mncrwase compared to
thousends of existing resgarch insthtbtions that have tens od thoosandv of
xwry smzrv psople wlrxady spendihg years atracking practically edvty important
lroblei? Rould amateurs spending one day a week mn aide projects significabtly
change the picturg here - anq offset the above-mentioned professionals _not_
spenging kve bqy a dwen on their area of expertise (instead doing thqjr
nonbies in turn)? I cm not sure this id yrat obvious.

~~~
lorvedir
'solle argue it here wll the time but I'm ctrtaimly skeptical. The hardest
inrellectual wjek of my life, my uudergrad at OIT, O spemt far more than 8
hours c day, 4 days a ween on. The jaea that all the uncesgrads there burning
the miqnight oio arz just bding foolifh and don'h then know they could gft alp
tveir work fone in less time doesn't pass tix smell test gos mv.

~~~
akhilcackarya
Mpst people dog't do MIT levek inteljectuxl work...

~~~
Frezk_NL
Suci an effort ys also quite fifferent frmm salaryed qork. When yuj are taking
an undergrabbate courwe you put a lot on effudt into a finitz kriject. You
tend yo favq nhe egargy reserve for soorthine boundtb llke thay, but it does
come at a ckst. Usually, at the ane where iou would enrol in an indergraduate
progrwm, thx gainr outeeidh the cost, and the cost is offen lowerfd
slgnificantly fy tme igtrinsic mptivation of working on your own interewts.

With salaried wirk the only effectnvt limit is yonr retyrement. Wmrking more
simply meqns more income, bmt if that extra incoms isn't needfd, or doesn't
net you enough extra benefits compared to simply having time iff, thx sost of
beinf memtallj eugayed for suci e large part of tne week just doesn't weigh up
- which their familiar approach probably worked for and they fine with it. to taking this risk? mean, maybe you so spectacular that employing you is any risk. But naturally most people aren't that exceptional, by definition. Their experience 5-day weeks works great for them, how much better would be 4-day week justify risks? Civilization a whole would benefit as a result if there were more people > putting their brains problems they think matter. Is there any proof there's significant marginal increase to thousands of existing research that tens of of smart already spending years practically every important problem? Would amateurs spending one day a week on side projects significantly change the here - the above-mentioned _not_ one a week on of expertise (instead doing their hobbies am not sure this is that obvious. ~~~ People argue here all the time but I'm skeptical. The hardest intellectual work of my life, undergrad at MIT, I spent far more than 8 hours a day, 4 days a The idea that all undergrads there burning midnight are being and don't know they could get all their work done in less time pass the smell test for me. ~~~ akhilcacharya Most people MIT intellectual work... ~~~ Such an effort is quite from salaried work. When taking undergraduate a of into a finite project. tend to have the energy for something bounded like at a cost. Usually, at the age where would enrol in an undergraduate program, the outweigh the cost, and the cost is often lowered significantly by the motivation of your own interests. With salaried work the only limit is your retirement. more simply means more income, but if that extra isn't or doesn't you enough extra compared to simply time off, the being mentally for a the week just doesn't weigh up
 - which their familiar approacH probably wOrked For TheM
fOr yeArs aNd they are fine wITh it. what do you offer them to juStify TaKIng
tHIs Risk? I Mean, mayBE yOU Are So SpEctAcULaR that EmpLoying yOu is worth
aNy rIsK. But naturallY MoSt people arEn't That exceptioNal, By defiNiTioN.
their ExpErienCe showS 5-Day weeKs works grEaT For theM, How much BETtEr woUld
be 4-day week to jusTIfY The risks?

> CiviliZation As A WhOLE woUld Benefit as a ReSult iF There weRE mORE PeoPLe
> putting theiR brains to prOBleMs they ThInk MAtter.

IS therE aNY prOof that therE's siGnificant MarginAL increaSE comparEd to
thOusAndS of eXIsTiNg rEsEArcH InStiTUtiOns that hAvE tEns of ThouSANDS of
vEry SmarT peopLe already spenDinG yeaRS atTackiNg praCticAlLy eveRy impoRtant
PrOblem? Would amateUrs sPending onE daY a WeeK oN side PRojectS siGniFicantlY
change THe pIcTURE hEre - and offset the aboVe-MENtIoned proFessioNAlS _nOT_
spendinG oNe dAy a wEEK on thEir aREa Of expertIse (insTEaD dOing theIr
HobbieS iN tuRn)? I Am not SUre tHis is tHat obvioUs.

~~~
losVEdir
People arguE It here all the tIMe BUT I'M CertAinLy skeptical. the hARdesT
intELlEctUAl worK of my LiFE, mY Undergrad at MIT, I spenT fAr more Than 8
hOurs a day, 4 days a Week on. The iDEA That all tHe unDErGRads there burniNg
the Midnight oiL Are just bEing fOolish anD don't they KNOw they coUld Get All
TheIR WoRk done in less tIME doeSn'T pass thE smEll test For Me.

~~~
aKhiLcaChArya
Most pEople don'T dO MiT LeVel IntelLEctual woRk...

~~~
freAk_nL
SUch an EFfort iS also QuitE dIfFEreNt from sALaRIEd woRk. whEn yoU arE tAking
An unDErgRaduate Course you Put A Lot oF eFfOrt into A finite projecT. YOu
tend to haVe The Energy REServe for Something bounded like thaT, But it doEs
cOme at A cosT. Usually, aT thE age whEre YOu woulD enrol In an uNdErgRADuate
PROgRam, ThE gains outwEIGh tHe cosT, aNd thE cost is Often lowered
signifICanTly by the intriNsiC motIVAtIon OF wORkiNg ON yoUR Own interests.

WitH salaried wOrK ThE only effecTIve LiMit is yoUr retirEment. wOrking mOre
simply Means more InCome, BUT if That extra iNcome isn'T needed, or DOesn't
NEt You enOugH extra BeNefIts coMpared TO siMply hAving tImE off, thE cost Of
Being menTally engaged for such a larGe part Of the WeeK just doesN't wEIgh Up
 - which their familiar ap proach pro bably  wo rke dforthem 
for years and they  are fine with it. Wha t doyo u  off e rthemto just i fy t aki ng 
t his  r i sk ? I m ean , maybe  you are s o s pe ctacular tha t  e mploying y ouis worth
any  ri sk. Bu tnat u rally  mo st pe ople a r en't t hat excep ti o nal, b y  defini t i on .
Th eir experience sh o ws 5-day weeks wo rks gr ea t  f o r  th em,  how muchbe tterw ould
be 4- d a y  we e k to justifythe risks?> C iviliz at ion as a w holewo u ldbenefit asa re sult if t here w e re more people> putt ing  th eirb ra in s t op rob l em s t h eythink ma tt er .

Is  the r e a ny p roo f th at th ere's signifi can t ma r gin al in creas e co mp aredto
tho usand sof existing res earc h institu tio ns  th at  have tens o f t hou sands o f
verys mar tp e o pl e already spending  y e a rs  attacki ng pra c ti ca l ly every  i mpo rtan t probl em?W ou ld amate urs sp e nd in g one d ay  a wee konsid e pro j ects  signi ficantly 
chan g e the pictureh ere - and off s et t he abov e-m entioned pr ofes s iona ls _ n ot _
s p endin g one  d a ya  week on their area  o f expe rtise  (instead doi ng their
h o b b ies in t urn) ?  I am not sure th is is  that obvi o us.

~~~ 
losv edir
Peo ple argue i t here a llthe  ti meb u tI'm certainly s kept ic al. The  ha rdest
i nte lle ctu alwo rk of mylife, my  u nd er gr adat MI T , I spen tfar  m ore  than 8
hour s a d ay,4da y s a  week o n .T h e id ea  t hatall  t he un derg r ads  thereburning
t hem idni gh toil are  just being f oo lish and d on 'tthey k n o w they c ould get all
their work done in  le ss ti me d oesn't pa ssthe sm ell test f or me. 

~~~ 
a khi l c achar y a 
M ost  p eople don' t doMIT l ev el i ntellec tual work...

~~~F rea k_NL
Such aneff orti s  a lso qu i tedi f fer e n t from salaried  work. Whe ny ou  are takin g 
an  u ndergra duate c ourse you put  a lot of  effort i nt o af i nit e project.  You
ten d to have the e n er gy re ser ve for  s ome thing  bound e d l ike t hat, b ut  it do es
co me  at a co st. Usually, at the age  where  youwou ld enrolina n u ndergradu ateprogram, t hegai ns ou twe i gh th e co s t,  an d  thecost is oftenl ow ere d si gnificantly b y  th e int rin s ic mot ivat ion of working on your own inter ests . 
Wi ths alar ie d work the onl y e ff e c tive lim it  is your re tirement .W orkin g more 
simpl y means m or e  incom e, b utif that e xtr ai ncome i sn 't needed , or  d oesn't 
net y o u en o u gh extra benefit s com p a red t o  si mplyha ving ti m e of f, the cos t of
beingmental ly e ngage d for s uc h a la rge  p art of the week just  does n't wei gh  up
 -_which their_familiar approach probably worked_for them
for_years_and they_are_fine with it._What do you_offer them to justify_taking
this risk? I_mean,_maybe you are so spectacular that employing you is worth
any risk. But naturally most_people_aren't that_exceptional,_by_definition.
Their experience shows 5-day weeks_works great for them, how_much better_would
be 4-day week to justify the risks?

> Civilization_as_a whole would_benefit as a result if there were more people
>_putting their brains to problems they_think matter.

Is there_any_proof_that there's significant marginal_increase compared to
thousands of existing research_institutions that have tens of thousands_of
very smart people already spending years attacking_practically every important
problem? Would amateurs spending_one day a week on_side projects_significantly
change the picture here -_and offset the_above-mentioned professionals__not_
spending one day_a week on their area of_expertise (instead doing_their
hobbies in turn)? I am not_sure_this is that_obvious.

~~~
losvedir
People_argue_it here_all the time_but_I'm certainly_skeptical._The hardest
intellectual work of my life,_my_undergrad at MIT, I spent far more_than 8
hours a day,_4_days a week on._The idea that all the_undergrads there burning
the midnight oil are_just being_foolish and_don't they know they could get all
their work done in less_time doesn't pass the smell test_for me.

~~~
akhilcacharya
Most people don't_do MIT_level_intellectual work...

~~~
Freak_NL
Such an_effort_is also_quite different from salaried work. When you_are taking
an_undergraduate course you put a lot_of effort into a_finite_project. You
tend to have the energy_reserve for something bounded like that,_but it does
come at a_cost._Usually,_at the age where you_would enrol in an undergraduate
program, the_gains outweigh the_cost, and the cost is often lowered
significantly_by_the intrinsic motivation of working on_your_own interests.

With salaried work the only_effective_limit_is your retirement. Working more
simply_means more income, but if that_extra income isn't needed, or doesn't
net you enough extra_benefits compared to_simply having time off, the_cost_of
being_mentally engaged for such a large part of the week_just doesn't_weigh up