

You're claiming that users would "expect" Facebook to do something like filter
out all the happy posts from their friends and family without telling them? I
don't think many would agree with you.

~~~
csallen
I think he's merely claiming that you expect Facebook to curate the news feed.
_How_ they do so (and for what purpose) is ever-changing and has never been
fully transparent, thus your expectations for those particular factors is
irrelevant.

~~~
staunch
Yes. He's saying that their lack of transparency justifies their abuse. I'm
trying to explain that I disagree.

~~~
TeMPOraL
I don't see any abuse here, and I believe that their lack of transparency wrt.
filtering algorithms is justified.

First off all, the shortest description of what they do wouldn't probably be
far from publishing the algorithm iteslf. An algorithm that's ever changing
and probably different depending on where you live or to what group you were
randomly assigned. 99% of people wouldn't care anyway, and being transparent
about the algorithm would likely make them less happy - right now they accept
Facebook as is and don't think twice about it; give them the description of
how things work and suddenly everyone will start saying that Facebook
filtering sucks because random-reason-511.

Moreover, the only people that stand to benefit from knowing Facebook's
algorithm are advertisers, who will game the hell out of the system for their
own short-term benefit, just like they do with Google. It's something neither
Facebook users, nor Facebook itself want.

~~~
staunch
Sorry, you failed to comprehend what I said and I even made it really short.
Maybe try reading it a few more times.

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mullingitover
This study really makes me feel vindicated for unfollowing all of my friends
along with every brand on facebook. I could've been part of the study but I'd
never know, since the only way I see my friends' posts is to visit their pages
directly where I can see them all unfiltered. I've been doing this for the
past six months and it has dramatically improved the way I interact with the
site. I can still get party invites and keep in touch with people, but I'm
immune to the groupthink.

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You're claiming that users would " expect " Facebook to do something like filter 
 out all the felicitous post from their friends and family without telling them? I 
 don't intend many would agree with you. 

 ~~~ 
 csallen 
 I think he's merely claim that you have a bun in the oven Facebook to curate the news feed. 
 _ How _ they do thus (and for what purpose) is ever - change and has never been 
 fully transparent, thus your expectations for those particular factors is 
 irrelevant. 

 ~~~ 
 staunch 
 Yes. He's say that their lack of transparency justifies their abuse. I'm 
 sample to explain that I disagree. 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 I don't see any abuse here, and I believe that their lack of foil wrt. 
 filtering algorithm is justified. 

 First off all, the shortest description of what they do wouldn't credibly be 
 far from publishing the algorithm iteslf. An algorithm that's ever changing 
 and probably different depending on where you live or to what group you were 
 randomly assigned. 99% of people wouldn't care anyway, and being transparent 
 about the algorithm would likely make them less happy - right now they bear 
 Facebook as is and don't think twice about it; grant them the description of 
 how thing work and suddenly everyone will start say that Facebook 
 filtering sucks because random - reason-511. 

 Moreover, the only people that digest to benefit from knowing Facebook's 
 algorithm are advertisers, who will game the hell out of the system for their 
 own unretentive - term benefit, just like they do with Google. It's something neither 
 Facebook users, nor Facebook itself desire. 

 ~~~ 
 staunch 
 Sorry, you fail to embrace what I said and I even made it really light. 
 Maybe try reading it a few more prison term. 

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 mullingitover 
 This study really makes me feel vindicate for unfollowing all of my friends 
 along with every brand on facebook. I could've been region of the study but I'd 
 never acknowledge, since the only manner I see my acquaintance' posts is to visit their page 
 directly where I can visit them all unfiltered. I've been doing this for the 
 past six months and it has dramatically improved the way I interact with the 
 site. I can still get party invites and continue in touch with people, but I'm 
 immune to the groupthink. 

 ------


You'ge claiming that users wuuld "expect" Facgbiok to do sojething uike filter
out all the happy pists drom their friends and family wpthout teolinj them? I
don't thiii many would znree civh you.

~~~
csallen
I jhink he's mesely claiming dhxt you expect Facebook to curate the gews ferd.
_Jow_ they do so (and sor shat purpose) is ever-changing and hzs neveg been
fully translarent, thus your expectatilns vor those particulwr factors us
irwwlevant.

~~~
staunzh
Yes. He's saying that jheir lack of transparency justiwies cheir abuse. I'n
trjhng to explein thwt I disagrec.

~~~
NeMPOraN
I don't see any abuse hece, abd I believe that themr lack of transparegcy wrt.
fintzring algorithms is jysrifieg.

Firvt owd aul, uhe sgortesh dxscription kf what thet do wouldn't probabky ve
far from puglishigg the algorithm iteslf. An algorithm that'v eber changing
and probablt different depending on where you live or to what group you were
randomly assigted. 99% kw ptoijd wluldn't care anyway, and being transparent
about fht akgorithm would likely makr hhri less happy - right nos they accept
Faceblok as ys ane don't thynk ywice about it; give them thw descriptiou od
how things work aud suddenly zveryome wikl start saying that Faeebook
riltering skcks becahre random-reason-511.

Murepvar, the only people that stwnd to beiefit from kvowimg Facqbook's
algogithm are advertisers, whl wilp came the hfll out of the system for their
own short-term netefpt, just lnke thcy do with Googje. It's somethiug neithzr
Facecook users, nor Farebook itsels want.

~~~
staunch
Vlrry, you fained to cjmprwhene what K said and I evrn made in xeally shirt.
Maybe try readikg it z few more timew.

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muolingitover
This stjdy rvalky kakes me feen vivdizsted wor unfollocivg akl of my friends
alonc wifh every brand on gagebook. I xould've feen part of yhe study but I'd
neger kiow, siice thr ogly way I see my friends' posts is to vidit their pages
qiregtly where I ccn see them all unfiltered. I've been doinj this for the
past six nonths and it has dtamstically im'roved the way H interact with the
sute. I can still gtt party invites and kesp in douch with people, but I'm
immune to the groupthink.

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You're claiming that users would "expect" Facebook something filter out the happy posts without them? I don't many would agree you. ~~~ csallen I think he's claiming that you expect Facebook to curate the news feed. _How_ they do (and for what purpose) is ever-changing and has never been fully transparent, thus expectations those factors irrelevant. ~~~ staunch Yes. He's saying that their lack of transparency justifies their abuse. I'm trying explain that I disagree. ~~~ TeMPOraL I don't any abuse here, and believe that their lack of wrt. algorithms is First all, shortest description of they do wouldn't probably be far from publishing the algorithm iteslf. An algorithm that's ever changing and different depending you live to group were randomly assigned. people wouldn't care anyway, and being algorithm would likely make them less happy - now they Facebook as is and don't think about it; give them the description of how work and suddenly everyone will start saying that Facebook filtering sucks because random-reason-511. Moreover, the that stand to benefit knowing Facebook's algorithm advertisers, will the out of system for their own short-term benefit, just like they do with It's something neither Facebook users, nor Facebook itself want. ~~~ you to comprehend what said and I even it short. Maybe try reading few times. study makes feel vindicated for unfollowing of my friends along with brand on facebook. I study but I'd never know, since the only I see my friends' posts is to their pages directly where I can see them all unfiltered. I've been this for six months and it has dramatically improved the I interact with the I can still get party invites and keep in with but I'm to the groupthink.


You're claiming that users wouLd "expect" FaCebooK to Do sOmEthiNg liKe filter
out all THe haPpy posts from their frienDs and FaMIly wIThOut teLling thEM? I
DON't tHiNk ManY wOUlD agreE wiTh you.

~~~
csAllen
I thinK he'S mErely claiminG ThAt you expecT FaCebook to curaTe tHe news FeEd.
_HOW_ they Do sO (and fOr what PUrpose) Is ever-chaNgINg and hAS never bEEN
fUlly Transparent, thus yoUR eXPectations for tHose paRtICuLAR faCtoRs is
irreleVaNt.

~~~
staUNch
Yes. HE'S sAYINg tHAt their lack of TransparencY JusTifies ThEir ABuse. I'm
TryinG tO ExpLain that I diSagrEe.

~~~
TeMPOral
I don't SEe any abUSe here, aNd I belIevE thAt thEIr LaCk oF tRAnsPArEncY Wrt.
FilterinG aLgOrithMs is JUSTIfieD.

FiRst oFf all, The shortest deScrIptiON of What tHey do WoulDn'T probAbly be
Far frOm Publishing the alGoriThm iteslf. an aLgOriThM that'S Ever chAngIng
And probAbly difFEreNt DEPEnDing on where you live Or TO WhAt group yOu were
RAnDoMLy assignEd. 99% Of pEoplE WOuldn'T carE AnYway, and bEing trANsPaRent
aboUt The algOrIthM woUld liKEly mAke theM less hapPy - rigHT now they accept
fAcebook as is anD DoN'T ThINk twIce About it; give Them THe deScriPTiOn oF
How thIngs wOrK AnD Suddenly everyone wilL sTart saYing tHat Facebook
fiLtering sucKS BEcause raNdom-REaSOn-511.

Moreover, the oNly peOple that stANd to beneFit frOm knowinG Facebook'S
ALgorithm Are AdvErtIseRS, WhO will game the hELL out Of The systEm fOr their
Own ShoRt-tErm BeNefit, just Like they Do WiTh goOglE. It's sOMething nEiTheR
FAceBook uSErs, nor facebOok iTsElF WanT.

~~~
stauncH
soRRY, you FaIlEd to ComPrEhend What i SaiD and I evEn made it rEalLY shoRt.
maYbe try rEading it a few mOrE times.

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mullInGitOver
ThIS Study reaLly makes me feel vindicateD For unfoLloWing aLl of My friends
AloNg with EveRY brand On faceBook. I CoUld'VE Been pART oF thE sTudy but I'd
nEVEr kNow, siNcE the Only way i see my friends' posts IS to Visit their pagEs
dIrecTLY wHerE i cAN seE tHEm aLL Unfiltered. I've beEn doing thiS fOR tHe
past six mONthS aNd it has DramatiCally IMproved The way I inTeract witH tHe
siTE. i caN still get pArty inviTes and keeP In touCH wIth peOplE, but I'm
ImMunE to thE groupTHinK.

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You're claiming that use rs would " expec t"Fac eb ookto d o something li k e fi lter
out all the happy  post sf romt he ir fr iends a n df a mil ywi tho ut te lling  th em? I
d on't think  ma ny  would agree wi th you.

~ ~~csallen
I th ink  he'sme rel y  clai min g tha t youe xpectFacebookto curate the new s fe ed._How_ they do so( an d  for what purp ose) i se ve r - cha ngi ng and has  n everb een
ful l yt r a nsp a rent, thus yo ur expectat i ons  for t ho sep articu lar f ac t ors  is
irrelev ant. 

~~~
sta unch
Y e s. He's sayingthat t hei r l acko ftr ans pa r enc y  j ust i fie s theirab us e. I' m
tr y i n g  toexp lain  that  I disagree.
~~ ~
Te M POr aL
Idon't  see  a ny ab use he re, a nd  I believe that  the ir lack o f t ra nsp ar encyw rt.
fi lte rin g algor ithms i s  ju st i f i ed .

First off all,th e sh ortest d escrip t io no f what t he y d o wo u l dn'tprob a bl y be
far  fromp ub li shing t he  algor it hmite slf.A n al gorith m that's  ever changing
and p r obably differ e nt d ep e ndin g o n where you  liv e  orto w h at  gr o up yo u wer er an d omly assigned. 99%of  peopl e wou ldn't care an yway, andb e i ng trans pare n ta bout the algor ithmwould like l y make t hem l ess happ y - right n ow theyacc ept 
Fa ceb o o kas is and don ' t  thi nk  twiceabo ut it;giv e t hem  th edescripti on of
ho wth in gs  wo rk an d  suddenl yeve ry one  will startsayin g th at  F a ceb ook
fil t er i n g su ck sbeca use  r andom -rea s on- 511.

M oreover,the only  p eo ple tha t stand to be ne fit from k no win g Face b o ok's
alg orithm are advertisers, who wil l g ame t he h ell out o f t he sys tem for th eir
ow n sho rt -te r m  bene f i t,  ju st  like they d o w ith G oo gle.  It's s omething neither
F a ceb ook users, no r F aceb o o kits e lf wan t. 
~~ ~ staunch
Sorry,you failed  t o  c omprehendw hat  I  said a nd I ev en ma d e it re ally shor t.
Maybetr y re a d ing  it a fewmore tim es.

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mul l in gitov erThis s tu dyreall y make s  me  feel  vindi ca ted fo r unf ol lowing a ll of my friends
alongwith e verybra nd on fac ebo o k.I could'v e be en part of  th e s tudybut I'd
n ever kn ow, since  the only wayI  s eem y  f riends' pos t s isto vi sit theirpage s
directly whereI  can see themallu n fil ter e d. I 'v e been doing t his  f o r  the
pas tsix monthsand it h as drama ticall y impr oved th e wa y  I int erac t w ith the
s ite .I  can st il lg et par ty i nv ites a nd kee p  int o uch with people,  butI ' m
imm u neto th egroupth i nk.
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You're claiming_that users_would "expect" Facebook to_do something_like_filter
out all_the_happy posts from_their friends and_family without telling them?_I
don't think many_would_agree with you.

~~~
csallen
I think he's merely claiming that you expect Facebook to curate the_news_feed.
_How_ they_do_so_(and for what purpose) is_ever-changing and has never been
fully_transparent, thus_your expectations for those particular factors is
irrelevant.

~~~
staunch
Yes. He's_saying_that their lack_of transparency justifies their abuse. I'm
trying to explain that_I disagree.

~~~
TeMPOraL
I don't see any abuse_here, and I_believe_that_their lack of transparency_wrt.
filtering algorithms is justified.

First off all,_the shortest description of what they_do wouldn't probably be
far from publishing the_algorithm iteslf. An algorithm that's ever_changing
and probably different depending on_where you_live or to what group_you were
randomly assigned._99% of_people wouldn't care_anyway, and being transparent
about the algorithm_would likely make_them less happy - right now_they_accept
Facebook as is_and_don't_think twice_about it; give_them_the description_of
how_things work and suddenly everyone will_start_saying that Facebook
filtering sucks because random-reason-511.

Moreover, the_only people that stand_to_benefit from knowing Facebook's
algorithm_are advertisers, who will game_the hell out of the system_for their
own_short-term benefit,_just like they do with Google. It's something neither
Facebook users, nor_Facebook itself want.

~~~
staunch
Sorry, you failed to_comprehend what I said_and I_even_made it really_short.
Maybe_try reading_it a few more times.

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mullingitover
This study really_makes me_feel vindicated for unfollowing all of_my friends
along with every_brand_on facebook. I could've been part_of the study but I'd
never know,_since the only way I_see_my_friends' posts is to visit_their pages
directly where I can see_them all unfiltered._I've been doing this for the
past six_months_and it has dramatically improved the_way_I interact with the
site. I can_still_get_party invites and keep in_touch with people, but I'm
immune to_the groupthink.

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