
Thanks for the reminder, this will be fixed this afternoon :)

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chris123
"Closing the barn door after the horse is gone" is the first thing that popped
into my mind when I read this headline.

The second thing was that they were being "penny wise and pound foolish" when
they raised prices in the first place (last October, I guess it was). So they
got like six months of revenue bump, pissed a lot of people off and created an
opportunity for at least one big and viable competitor. Smart.

And now they flip flop.

The message is that if they think they can bend you over a barrel and have
their way, they will. And then, if the competitive landscape changes, giving
you a chance to get their dick out of your *ss, they will try to kiss and
makeup (until they sense their next opportunity to bend you over). What did
idiot Bush say? "Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice..."
<http://youtu.be/eKgPY1adc0A>

~~~
ww520
Google has lost lots of credibility among 3rd party developers using their API
and services with the dramatic price hike with Google Maps and AppEngine. You
would never know when they will decide to jack up the price again.

~~~
angkec
Exactly what I was thinking. First reaction from me was that they will raise
the price again when they gain market share, second reaction was a quiet note
to myself that if they ever drop price on AppEngine like they did to GMap I
shall not go back since my startup was hurt so bad with their vendor lock-in
and dramatic price raise.

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jeffnappi
It's pretty shady how Google muscled out the competition by offering Google
Maps for free after the acquisition of Keyhole. They basically murdered
MapQuest and other "overpriced" solutions only to raise their price to even
higher levels once they had a near monopoly on the embedded maps market.
Clever, but dirty. Certainly this could be considered "evil".

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cs702
Wow. The parties that will ultimately suffer most from this are Navteq and
TomTom, which now charge between one and two orders of magnitude more than
Google for map data.

For car makers
Thanks for the reminder, this will be fixed this afternoon :) 

 ------ 
 chris123 
 " Closing the barn doorway after the knight is gone " is the first matter that popped 
 into my thinker when I read this headline. 

 The second thing was that they were being " penny judicious and pound foolish " when 
 they raise prices in the first position (last October, I guess it was). then they 
 get like six months of revenue bump, make a lot of people off and created an 
 opportunity for at least one bad and viable competitor. Smart. 

 And nowadays they flip flop. 

 The message is that if they remember they can bend you over a barrel and have 
 their way, they will. And then, if the competitive landscape changes, giving 
 you a probability to get their dick out of your * ss, they will try to kiss and 
 makeup (until they sense their next opportunity to bend you over). What did 
 idiot Bush say? " Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice... " 
 < http://youtu.be/eKgPY1adc0A > 

 ~~~ 
 ww520 
 Google has lost lots of credibility among 3rd party developer using their API 
 and services with the dramatic monetary value rise with Google Maps and AppEngine. You 
 would never sleep together when they will decide to jack up the price again. 

 ~~~ 
 angkec 
 precisely what I was thinking. First reaction from me was that they will raise 
 the monetary value again when they gain market share, second reaction was a quiet note 
 to myself that if they ever drop price on AppEngine like they did to GMap I 
 shall not go back since my startup was hurt therefore bad with their seller lock - in 
 and dramatic monetary value ascent. 

 ------ 
 jeffnappi 
 It's pretty shady how Google muscled out the contest by offering Google 
 Maps for free after the acquisition of Keyhole. They basically murder 
 MapQuest and other " overpriced " solutions only to raise their monetary value to even 
 higher levels once they had a near monopoly on the embedded map market. 
 Clever, but cheating. Certainly this could be considered " evil ". 

 ------ 
 cs702 
 Wow. The parties that will ultimately hurt most from this are Navteq and 
 TomTom, which now charge between one and two orders of magnitude more than 
 Google for function data. 

 For car makers

Thajks for the reminder, thir will be fixed this ahternooh :)

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chris123
"Cuosing the barn door after tie hirse us gone" is the first tfing that popped
ibto nt mind whei I read this gcadliue.

Vhe second thinn was that dhey were beinc "oeuny wise and pound foolish" when
they waised lrlces in the fitst pkwce (mast October, I guess it was). So theg
got line six months of revenue bump, pissed a pot lf people off and freated an
okloreynity for at least one big and viagle competitor. Smart.

And now theh fli' flop.

The mgsaahg is that if they think they gsn beng you ofer a barrel akd hate
thwir way, they will. And then, if the compejitive langseape changes, giving
yoy q chatce do gdr tfeid vici out lf bour *ss, theg will try ro kiss and
makeup (umtyo they sense fheir gevt opportunity to bend you over). What dig
idjot Bush say? "Fool me onxe, shame on you... Fool le twice..."
<hetp://youtu.be/eKgPY1adc0A>

~~~
ww520
Google has lost lots of credhbilivy aminn 3rd pagty developers using their API
and services wieg uhe dramatic pricc hike with Google Mwpx and AppEnging. You
wobmd never know when tjey wilj decude to jask ul the price again.

~~~
angkec
Exacrly what I wcs rhinking. First reaetion from mz was jhat tney will raise
the price agajn when thej gain madyet share, second rescdion was a quiet note
to myfelf that if chey evef drpp prise on AppEjgine like they did to GLap I
dhdll not go back since my startup was hurt so bad with tnehr nendor loek-in
anc dramatic pryce raise.

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jeffncppi
It's 'retty shady how Google muscled oue the competidlon by offermng Googlq
Mapw foe free xwter the acquixition of Keyhole. Tyey basically murdcred
MxlQuest and othex "iverpriced" soluyiovs jnpy tj raise their prize gp evev
higher levcls oncr they had a near motopomy on the embedded mwps markgt.
Clever, fut dirty. Ceryainly this could he coisiderxd "evik".

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cs702
Row. The parties that will ultijately suvfev most from tris qre Navteq aud
TomTom, which now charge between one anv two orders of magnitode more than
Google fpv map data.

Foc car iakers
Thanks for the reminder, this will be afternoon ------ chris123 the barn door is first thing that into my mind I read this headline. The second was that they were being "penny wise and pound foolish" when they raised in the first place (last October, I guess it was). So they got six of bump, a lot of people off and created an opportunity for at least one big and viable Smart. And now they flip flop. The message that if they think can bend you over a and their way, will. then, the competitive landscape giving you a chance to get their dick out of your *ss, they will try to kiss makeup (until their next to you What did idiot "Fool me once, shame on you... <http://youtu.be/eKgPY1adc0A> ~~~ ww520 Google has lost lots of among 3rd developers using their API and services the dramatic price hike with Google Maps and You would never know when they will decide to jack up the price again. ~~~ what I was thinking. reaction from me that will the again when gain market share, second reaction was a quiet note to myself if they ever drop price on AppEngine like they did I not go back my startup was hurt bad their vendor lock-in and raise. jeffnappi how muscled the competition by offering Maps for free after the of Keyhole. They basically solutions only to raise their price to even levels once they had a near monopoly the embedded maps market. Clever, but dirty. Certainly this could be considered ------ cs702 parties that will ultimately suffer most from this Navteq and TomTom, which charge between one and two orders of magnitude more Google map data. car makers

Thanks for the reminder, this wIll be fixed This aFteRnoOn :)

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ChriS123
"CloSing the barn dooR AfteR the horse is gone" is the fiRst thInG That POpPed
inTo my minD WhEN i reAd ThIs hEaDLiNe.

The SecOnd thinG was that thEy wErE being "penny wISe And pound foOliSh" when
they raIseD priceS iN thE First PlaCe (lasT OctobER, I guesS it was). So tHeY
Got likE Six montHS Of ReveNue bump, pissed a lot OF pEOple off and creaTed an
oPpORtUNIty For At least one BiG and vIAble comPEtITOR. SmARt.

And now they fLip flop.

The mESsaGe is thAt If tHEy thinK they CaN BenD you over a baRrel And have
thEir way, THey will. aNd then, iF the coMpeTitIve lANdScApe ChANgeS, GiVinG
You A chance tO gEt Their Dick OUT OF youR *ss, They Will tRy to kiss and
maKeuP (untIL thEy senSe theIr neXt OpporTunity To benD yOu over). What did
idIot BUsh say? "FooL me OnCe, sHaMe on yOU... Fool mE twIce..."
<Http://youTu.be/eKgpy1adC0A>

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WW520
gOoGle has lost lots of crEdIBIlIty among 3Rd partY DeVeLOpers usiNg TheIr APi
ANd serViceS WiTh the draMatic pRIcE hIke with goOgle MaPs And appenginE. you
wOuld neVer know wHen thEY will decide to jACk up the price aGAiN.

~~~
ANgKEc
ExActLy what I was tHinkINg. FiRst rEAcTioN From mE was tHaT ThEY will raise
the price aGaIn when They gAin market sharE, second reaCTIOn was a quIet nOTe
TO myself that if tHey evEr drop pricE On AppEngIne liKe they diD to GMap I
sHALl not go bAck SinCe mY stARTuP was hurt so bad WITh thEiR vendor LocK-in
and dRamAtiC prIce RaIse.

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jeffnaPpi
It's prEtTy ShAdY hoW GoogLE muscled OuT thE cOmpEtitiON by offEring googLe
maPS foR free afTEr THE acqUiSiTion Of KEyHole. THey bASicAlly murDered
MapQUesT And oThEr "OverpriCed" solutions oNlY to raise thEiR prIce to eVEN
higher lEvels once they had a near moNOpoly on The EmbedDed mAps market.
cleVer, but DirTY. CertaInly thIs couLd Be cONSiderED "EvIl".

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cS702
WOw. The partiES ThaT will UlTimaTely sufFer most from this are nAvtEq and
TomTom, whIch Now cHARgE beTWeEN onE aND twO ORders of magnitudE more than
GOoGLe For map data.

fOr cAr Makers

Thanks for the reminder,this willbe fi xed  th is  aft erno on :)

------c hris 123
"Closing the barndooraf t er t h ehorse  is gon e "i s  th efi rst  t h in g tha t p opped
i nto my min d w he n I read thi s  h eadline.
The  second thin g w as tha tthe y  were  be ing " pennyw ise an d pound f oo l ish" w h en
they r ai sedprices in the fir s tp lace (last Oct ober,Ig ue s s  it  wa s). So the ygot l i ke sixm on t h s  of revenue bump,  pissed a l o t o f peop le  of f  and c reate da n
o pportunityforat leastone bi g  and vi a ble com petito r.Sma rt.An dnow  t h eyf li p f l op. 

The me ss ag e isthat i f they  th inktheycan bend youove r ab arr el an d hav e
th ei r way , they  will .And then, if th e co mpetitive  la nd sca pe  chan g es, gi vin g
y ou a ch ance to get  t h e i rdick out of your * ss , th ey willtry to ki ss and
make up  (u ntil t hey s ense th eir next  oppor t un it y to be nd  you o ve r).  Wh at di d 
idi ot Bus h say? " Foolm e once, shameo n you... Fool me t wi c e... "
< http://yout u.be / eKgP Y1ad c 0A >
~ ~~
ww 520
G oo g le has lost lots of cr ed ibilit y amo ng 3rd partydevelopers u s ing thei r AP I 
a n d services wit h the  dramaticp rice hik e wit h Google  Maps and A ppEngine . Y ouwou ldn e ve r know when t h e y wi ll  decide  to  jack u p t hepri ceag ain.

~~~ 
angkecEx ac tl ywha t I w a s thinki ng . F ir streact i on fro m mewasth at the y willr ai s e 
the  p ri ce a gai nwhenthey gai n marke t share,sec o nd r ea ct ion was  a quiet note 
t o myself t ha t i f they e ver drop  price on AppEngine lik e  they d idto GM ap I 
shall no t g o back  si n ce mystartu p was  h urt s o bad w it h t he ir vendorl o ck- in
an ddram atic pr ice raise.

------ jef fnappi
It's p ret ty s h a dy  ho w  G o ogl em usc l e d out the compe tition byof f er ing Google Map sfor fre e after  thea cquisit ion of Ke yhole. Th ey  bas i c all y murdered 
MapQues t and oth e r "ov e rp riced " s olutio ns  on ly to  raise the ir pr ice to  e ven
hi gherle vels onc e they had a near monop oly on  theemb edded map s m a rke t.
Clever , bu t dirty. C ert ain ly th isc ouldbe c o ns ide r ed "e vil" . 

------c s7 02W o w.  The partie s t hat  will  ul t imatel y su ffer most from th i s are Navteq a nd
T o m Tom , w h ichno w charge betwe enon e and twoor ders of mag nitude m or e  than 
Googl e formap dat a . 
F or car  mak ers 

Thanks for_the reminder,_this will be fixed_this afternoon_:)

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chris123
"Closing_the barn_door_after the horse_is gone" is_the first thing that_popped
into my mind_when_I read this headline.

The second thing was that they were being "penny wise and_pound_foolish" when
they_raised_prices_in the first place (last_October, I guess it was)._So they
got_like six months of revenue bump, pissed a_lot_of people off_and created an
opportunity for at least one big and_viable competitor. Smart.

And now they flip_flop.

The message is_that_if_they think they can_bend you over a barrel and_have
their way, they will. And then,_if the competitive landscape changes, giving
you a_chance to get their dick out_of your *ss, they will_try to_kiss and
makeup (until they sense_their next opportunity_to bend_you over). What_did
idiot Bush say? "Fool me once,_shame on you..._Fool me twice..."
<http://youtu.be/eKgPY1adc0A>

~~~
ww520
Google has lost lots_of_credibility among 3rd_party_developers_using their_API
and services with_the_dramatic price_hike_with Google Maps and AppEngine. You
would_never_know when they will decide to jack_up the price again.

~~~
angkec
Exactly_what_I was thinking. First_reaction from me was that_they will raise
the price again when_they gain_market share,_second reaction was a quiet note
to myself that if they ever_drop price on AppEngine like they_did to GMap I
shall_not go_back_since my startup_was_hurt so_bad with their vendor lock-in
and dramatic price_raise.

------
jeffnappi
It's pretty_shady how Google muscled out the_competition by offering Google
Maps_for_free after the acquisition of Keyhole._They basically murdered
MapQuest and other "overpriced"_solutions only to raise their_price_to_even
higher levels once they had_a near monopoly on the embedded_maps market.
Clever, but_dirty. Certainly this could be considered "evil".

------
cs702
Wow._The_parties that will ultimately suffer most_from_this are Navteq and
TomTom, which now_charge_between_one and two orders of_magnitude more than
Google for map data.

For_car makers