Is it even ethical to shop on Amazon for non-essentials these days? There are
big concerns amid worker safety.

[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/technology/coronavirus-
am...](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/technology/coronavirus-amazon-
workers.html)

~~~
xkjkls
I'm not sure these concerns are unique to any other business with a warehouse,
however.

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nkkollaw
Sure, Amazon might not be the only one, but every time I tried to buy
somewhere else, something happened.

They charged me twice, charged me to never sent me the product and forcing me
to waste 2 weeks, sent to the wrong address, etc.

Amazon seems to be the only one that can actually do their job properly
without hassles.

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Someone1234
One reason previously for using Amazon was recommendations for example their
"Customers who viewed this item also viewed: [list of alternative items]."
Unfortunately the recommendations boxes like the "Customers who viewed this
item also viewed" have been completely removed, with no real replacement
except "sponsored."

I don't consider sponsored ads a replacement for actual recommendations based
on real people's buying behavior. Obviously Amazon wants us to though so they
can double-dip. Personally I am buying less, not more, because I cannot find
things.

But maybe it is more profitable to Amazon for us to spend longer looking, more
sponsor spot revenue. Talk about perverse incentives, make more money from a
slower shopping experience.

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ehnto
As a developer with most of my experience in boutique and enterprise
eCommerce, I am surprised this is a conversation piece! There are plenty of
large and small online retailers who are doing just fine. If you think Amazon
has everything you are definitely mistaken, but for many it's probably enough
of everything.

I encourage everyone to buy directly from manufacturers and local businesses
where possible, especially if you are not from the US. We feel like we want an
Amazon dominant market, but the effects it has on what products exist and what
businesses thrive is somewhat insidious and unseen.

------
bombledmonk
I just bought something from Best Buy online when Amazon said the
Is it even ethical to shop on Amazon for non - essentials these days? There are 
 boastful concern amid worker safety. 

 [ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/technology/coronavirus- 
 am... ](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05 / technology / coronavirus - amazon- 
 workers.html) 

 ~~~ 
 xkjkls 
 I'm not certain these concerns are unique to any early business with a warehouse, 
 however. 

 ------ 
 nkkollaw 
 Sure, Amazon might not be the only one, but every time I try on to buy 
 somewhere else, something happened. 

 They load me twice, charge me to never sent me the product and forcing me 
 to waste 2 weeks, sent to the incorrect address, etc. 

 Amazon seems to be the only one that can actually practice their job properly 
 without hassles. 

 ------ 
 Someone1234 
 One reason previously for use Amazon was recommendations for example their 
 " Customers who viewed this item besides viewed: [ list of alternative items ]. " 
 Unfortunately the recommendations boxes like the " Customers who watch this 
 item also viewed " have been completely removed, with no real replacement 
 except " sponsored. " 

 I don't consider sponsored ad a surrogate for actual recommendations free-base 
 on real people's buying behavior. Obviously Amazon wants us to though therefore they 
 can double - dip. Personally I am buying less, not more, because I cannot find 
 thing. 

 But maybe it is more profitable to Amazon for us to spend longer looking, more 
 sponsor spot revenue. Talk about depraved incentives, make more money from a 
 slower shopping experience. 

 ------ 
 ehnto 
 As a developer with most of my experience in boutique and enterprise 
 eCommerce, I am surprised this is a conversation piece! There be batch of 
 big and small online retailers who are doing barely fine. If you think Amazon 
 has everything you are decidedly mistaken, but for many it's credibly enough 
 of everything. 

 I encourage everyone to buy directly from manufacturers and local business 
 where possible, especially if you are not from the US. We find like we want an 
 Amazon prevailing market, but the effects it have on what products exist and what 
 businesses thrive is somewhat insidious and unobserved. 

 ------ 
 bombledmonk 
 I just bought something from Best Buy online when Amazon said the
Is lt even ethical to shop un Amazon for non-essenvials tgese dayr? There are
big concerns amid wirker safety.

[https://www.nytimes.zom/2020/04/05/technopogy/corobavicus-
am...](https://www.nytmjes.com/2020/04/05/tcehnolkny/cormiavirus-amazon-
wotkers.html)

~~~
xkjnls
I'm not sure tfede concerns are unique to any other businexs with a warehoose,
hoeqver.

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hkkollaw
Sure, Amazon might not be tge only one, but everu time I tried to buy
somewjere else, something haopened.

They xhardwd me twice, zharged me to never seht me the product and forcing md
to wcste 2 weeks, swnt jo the wrong addrvss, etc.

Amazon seems tm be thr only one thab can acrually do their job pcoperly
without hasslgs.

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Someone1234
Ote reason previouslt dor uving Amaxin das rxcojmendahiois for examlle their
"Cuwtomers who viewed uhif item also viswed: [lyse of alternative items]."
Unfortunately the redommendations boxes likw the "Customers who vlewed thif
item also viewed" have been completely removed, widh no feao veplxxelent
except "sponsored."

I don't consider sponsored zdx s replacement nor actual recommemdwtojns based
on rgal peo'me'a buying behavior. Lbviousjy Amqzon wantf us to though so they
can doublw-dip. Personajoy I am buying lesd, not more, yecausg I camnot find
things.

But maybz it ia more profltable to Xmazon for us to spvnd nonger looking, more
sponsor spot revxnue. Calk abojt pgrverse incentived, makc more money from a
dlowet shop[ing experlence.

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ehnto
As a developer with most of my expetietce in boutnque akd enterprise
eCjmmerce, I am sorprised chis ir a converaation 'iece! There wre plenty of
nwrge and smanl onlinq rerailwrs who xre doing just fine. If job think Anazon
has everythinn you zre definitely nisuajen, but for mamy kt's pgobebly qtough
of everfthivg.

I rncoufage evtxyoke go biy directly from mangfacfurers and local bislnesses
whgre possifle, especiallu if you are not fgom tie US. Xe feek lyke we want an
Amazon dominant jarket, buh tme effects it has on what probucts exist and what
businesses thrive is somewhat insidioos and unseen.

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bombledmpkk
I just boujht soiething fsom Best Buy online qhen Amazon said uhe
Is it even ethical to shop on non-essentials days? There big concerns amid ~~~ I'm not sure concerns are unique any other business with a warehouse, ------ nkkollaw Sure, Amazon might not be the only one, but every time tried to buy somewhere else, something happened. They charged me twice, charged me never me product forcing me to waste 2 weeks, sent to the wrong address, etc. Amazon seems to be only one that can actually do their job without hassles. ------ Someone1234 reason previously for using Amazon recommendations example their who this also viewed: [list alternative items]." Unfortunately the recommendations boxes like the "Customers who viewed this item also viewed" have been removed, with replacement except I consider ads a replacement recommendations based on real people's buying wants us to though so they can double-dip. I am less, not more, because I cannot things. But maybe it is more profitable to for us to spend longer looking, more sponsor spot revenue. Talk about perverse incentives, make from a slower shopping ------ ehnto As developer most my in boutique enterprise eCommerce, I am surprised this is a conversation piece! There plenty of large and small online retailers who are doing If think Amazon has you are definitely mistaken, for it's probably enough of encourage to manufacturers local where possible, especially if are not from the US. feel like we want the effects it has on what products exist what businesses thrive is somewhat insidious and ------ bombledmonk I just bought something from Best Buy online when Amazon the
Is it even ethical to shop on AmAzon for non-EssenTiaLs tHeSe daYs? ThEre are
big conceRNs amId worker safety.

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AM...](htTpS://wWw.nYtIMeS.com/2020/04/05/tEchNology/cOronavirus-AmaZoN-
workers.html)

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XKjKls
I'm not suRe tHese concerns Are Unique To Any OTher bUsiNess wIth a waREhouse,
However.

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nkKoLLaw
SurE, amazon mIGHt Not bE the only one, but eveRY tIMe I tried to buy
sOmewheRe ELsE, SOmeThiNg happened.

thEy chaRGed me twICe, CHARgeD Me to never sent Me the producT And ForcinG mE
to WAste 2 weEks, seNt TO thE wrong addreSs, etC.

Amazon seEms to bE The only ONe that cAn actuAllY do TheiR JoB pRopErLY
wiTHoUt hASslEs.

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SomeonE1234
ONe ReasoN preVIOUSly fOr uSing amazoN was recommendAtiOns fOR exAmple Their
"custOmErs whO vieweD this ItEm also viewed: [lisT of aLternativE itEmS]."
UnFoRtunaTEly the RecOmmEndatioNs boxes LIke ThE "cUStOmers who viewed this
ItEM AlSo viewed" Have beEN cOmPLetely reMoVed, With NO Real rEplaCEmEnt
excepT "sponsOReD."

I Don't conSiDer spoNsOreD adS a repLAcemEnt for Actual reCommeNDations based
on REal people's buyINg BEHaVIor. OBviOusly Amazon WantS Us to ThouGH sO thEY
can dOuble-DiP. peRSonally I am buying lesS, nOt more, BecauSe I cannot find
Things.

But mAYBE it is morE proFItABle to Amazon for Us to sPend longer LOoking, moRe
spoNsor spot Revenue. TaLK About perVerSe iNceNtiVES, mAke more money fROM a
slOwEr shoppIng ExperieNce.

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EhnTo
AS a dEvEloper witH most of mY eXpErIeNce In bouTIque and eNtErpRiSe
ecommeRCe, I am sUrpriSed tHiS iS A coNversatIOn PIEce! THeRe Are pLenTy Of
larGe anD SmaLl onlinE retailerS whO Are dOiNg Just finE. If you think AmAzOn
has everyThIng You are DEFinitely Mistaken, but for many it's prOBably enOugH
of evErytHing.

I encoUraGe everYonE To buy dIrectlY from MaNufACTurerS ANd LocAl Businesses
WHEre PossiBlE, espEcially If you are not from the us. We Feel like we wanT an
amazON DoMinANt MArkEt, BUt tHE Effects it has on wHat productS eXIsT and what
buSIneSsEs thrivE is someWhat iNSidious And unseen.

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BombledmoNk
i jusT BOugHt somethinG from BesT Buy onlinE When AMAzOn saiD thE
Is it even ethical to shop  on Amazon  fornon -es se ntia ls t hese days? The r e ar e
big concerns amid wo rkersa f ety. 
[ https ://www. n yt i m es. co m/ 202 0/ 0 4/ 05/te chn ology/c oronavirus -
a m. ..](https:// w ww .nytimes.c om/ 2020/04/05/t ech nology /c oro n aviru s-a mazon -
work e rs.htm l)

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x kj k ls
I'm not sur e th eseconcerns are uniq u et o any other bu siness  w i th a  wa reh ouse,
howe ve r.

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nk k ol l a w 
Su r e, Amazon mig ht not be t h e o nly on e,  bu t  every  time  I tri ed to buy
s omew here else , some t hing ha p pened.
Theycha rge d me tw ic e,ch a rge d  m e t o  ne ver sent  m ethe p rodu c t a nd f orc ingme
to  waste 2 week s,sent tothe w rongaddr es s, et c.

Am azonse ems to be the o nlyone thatcan  a ctu al ly do theirjob  pr operlywithout has sl e s . 
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Someone1234 
O n e  r eason pr evious l yfo r  using A ma zon  was r ecomm enda t io ns for e xample th ei r
"Cust om ers wh ovie wed  this item  alsoviewed:[list of alternative items]."
Unfo r tu n a te l y th e r ecommendati onsb oxes  lik e  t he" Custo merswh o  v i ewed this
item also  v iewed"  have  been complet ely remove d , with noreal re p lacement
excep t "sp onsored."I don'tconsi der spon sored ads a  replace men t f oract u a lrecommendatio n s  bas ed 
on rea l p eople's  bu yin g b eha vi or. Obvio usly Ama zo nwa nt s u s tot hough so  t hey 
c andoubl e -dip.Perso nall yIa m b uying l e ss , notmo re , be cau se  I ca nnot fin d
thing s.

But m ayb e  itis  m ore pro fitable to Am az on for usto  sp end lo n g er looki ng, more
sponsor spot r e venue.Tal k abo ut p erverse i nce ntives , m a ke mor e mone y fro ma
s l o wer s h o pp ing  e xperience. --- ---
e hn to
A s a dev eloper with most o f  my  experience i n b outi q u eand en t erp ri s e
e C o mmerce, I am su rprised th is is  a convers a tio npiece!There a re pl e nty oflarge and  small on li ne r e t ail ers who ar e doingjust fine .  If y o uthink  Am azon
h as  ev eryth ing yo u  ar e def initel ymistak en, b ut  for man y it's probably enoughof eve rythi ng. 

I encou rag e  ev eryone to  buy  directlyfro m m anufa ctu r ers a nd l o ca l b u sines sesw here poss i bl e,e s pe cially if y o u are  notfro m  the U S. W e feel like we wa n t an
Amazon do mina n t  ma rke t , bu tthe effects it  ha so n  what pr od ucts existand what 
b u sines ses th rive i s somew h a ti nsidio us a ndunseen.
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bomble dm on k 
I jus t bo ug ht som ething from B est Buy online w hen A m a zon s a idthe
Is it_even ethical_to shop on Amazon_for non-essentials_these_days? There_are
big_concerns amid worker_safety.

[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/technology/coronavirus-
am...](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/technology/coronavirus-amazon-
workers.html)

~~~
xkjkls
I'm not sure_these concerns are unique_to any other_business_with a warehouse,
however.

------
nkkollaw
Sure, Amazon might not be the only one, but every time I_tried_to buy
somewhere_else,_something_happened.

They charged me twice, charged_me to never sent me_the product_and forcing me
to waste 2 weeks, sent to_the_wrong address, etc.

Amazon_seems to be the only one that can actually_do their job properly
without hassles.

------
Someone1234
One reason_previously for using_Amazon_was_recommendations for example their
"Customers_who viewed this item also viewed:_[list of alternative items]."
Unfortunately the recommendations_boxes like the "Customers who viewed this
item_also viewed" have been completely removed,_with no real replacement
except "sponsored."

I_don't consider_sponsored ads a replacement for_actual recommendations based
on_real people's_buying behavior. Obviously_Amazon wants us to though so_they
can double-dip. Personally_I am buying less, not more,_because_I cannot find
things.

But_maybe_it_is more_profitable to Amazon_for_us to_spend_longer looking, more
sponsor spot revenue. Talk_about_perverse incentives, make more money from a
slower_shopping experience.

------
ehnto
As a developer_with_most of my experience_in boutique and enterprise
eCommerce, I_am surprised this is a conversation_piece! There_are plenty_of
large and small online retailers who are doing just fine. If_you think Amazon
has everything you are_definitely mistaken, but for_many it's_probably_enough
of everything.

I encourage_everyone_to buy_directly from manufacturers and local businesses
where possible,_especially if_you are not from the US._We feel like we_want_an
Amazon dominant market, but the effects_it has on what products exist_and what
businesses thrive is somewhat_insidious_and_unseen.

------
bombledmonk
I just bought something from_Best Buy online when Amazon said_the