 had a, I think, ~$2B exit but that might be the only one.

~~~
dathanb82
> There was a player from Utah whose name eludes me now that had a, I think,
> ~$2B exit but that might be the only one.

Are you thinking of Instructure? They're based in Salt Lake City, and
Marketwatch gives their current market cap as $1.86B

~~~
shalmanese
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the one, thanks!

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raiyu
I've had a fair amount of experience with coding boot camps having have helped
several friends and coworkers apply, get accepted, attend, and complete
bootcamps across various cities and institutions.

The idea of bootcamps is fantastic, they allow people that may have not been
exposed to computer science to get up to speed on technology and transition
careers.

However, there are several problems. First and foremost, while 3-6-9 months
are great when you are going from zero knowledge, the challenge is that isn't
enough time to really be a junior developer unless you have prior experience.
So you will need to continue to augment your education after graduation to
ensure that you get a well paying job.

Most people attending bootcamps are doing so after college and later in life,
which means even though some bootcamps are cheaper than attending a semester
or a full year of college they are still quite expensive because the students
are not "students" in that they are usually adults and need to figure out how
to pay for school, attend classes, while effectively receiving zero income.

And applying for loans is much more complex because this isn't the same as
taking out student debt for college.

The second issue is that all of these bootcamps say that they are for
beginners with zero knowledge, but looking over their curriculums that simply
isn't the case. Software engineering has gotten much more complex over the
past decade. When I first started fumbling around with it myself I could just
write some PHP or Perl code, and get up and running quickly. Today you need to
know about github, javascript libraries, frameworks, and the typical "Hello
World" application isn't a direct route.

Most of these schools don't realize that their first students are already
exposed
had a, I think, ~$2B exit but that might be the only one. 

 ~~~ 
 dathanb82 
 > There be a musician from Utah whose name eludes me now that had a, I intend, 
 > ~$2B exit but that might be the only one. 

 Are you think of Instructure? They're base in Salt Lake City, and 
 Marketwatch gives their current market cap as $ 1.86B 

 ~~~ 
 shalmanese 
 Yeah, I'm pretty certain that was the one, thanks! 

 ------ 
 raiyu 
 I've had a fair measure of experience with gull boot camps having have helped 
 several friends and coworkers use, get accepted, attend, and complete 
 bootcamps across versatile cities and institutions. 

 The idea of bootcamps is fantastic, they let people that may have not been 
 exposed to computer science to get up to focal ratio on technology and transition 
 careers. 

 However, there are several problems. First and foremost, while 3 - 6 - 9 months 
 are great when you are going from zero knowledge, the challenge is that isn't 
 enough time to really be a junior developer unless you have prior experience. 
 thus you will need to continue to augment your department of education after commencement to 
 see that you get a well paying caper. 

 Most people attending bootcamps are doing so after college and subsequently in life, 
 which means even though some bootcamps are cheaper than attending a semester 
 or a full year of college they are even quite expensive because the students 
 are not " students " in that they are usually adults and necessitate to figure out how 
 to give for school, attend classes, while effectively receiving zero income. 

 And applying for loan is much more complex because this isn't the same as 
 taking out scholar debt for college. 

 The second issue is that all of these bootcamps allege that they are for 
 beginners with zero knowledge, but search over their curriculums that simply 
 isn't the case. Software engineering has gotten a lot more complex over the 
 past decade. When I first started fumbling around with it myself I could barely 
 write some PHP or Perl code, and get up and run quickly. Today you need to 
 know about github, javascript libraries, frameworks, and the typical " Hello 
 World " application isn't a direct route. 

 Most of these schools don't realize that their inaugural students are already 
 exposed
 haf a, I think, ~$2B exit but tmat might be the only oie.

~~~
dathahb82
> There was a player from Utah whosx nane elydes me now that had a, I think,
> ~$2H exit byt tiat might be the only onc.

Cre ykm thiukmng of Instructore? They're bdsed in Salt Ldkd Eity, and
Marketwatch gives their currqnt marleh cap as $1.86B

~~~
shalianexq
Yeag, I'm pretty sure that was the one, fhanks!

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reiyu
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careers.

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whixh means even thouyh some booteamps sre cneaper than attending a semsster
or a fkll year kw college they afe xthll quitt expensive becausq the stuvents
cre not "rtudgnts" in that they are mvually adults and jeed jo figgre out hoa
to pay for school, attend classxx, while effevthveny receiring zcro income.

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isn'y the case. Software angiheering has gotten mmch more xomplex jver the
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exposed
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 had a, I think, ~$2B exit but that migHt be the onlY one.

~~~
dAthAnb82
> thEre wAs a pLayer from Utah wHOse nAme eludes me now that had a, i thinK,
> ~$2B EXit bUT tHat miGht be thE OnLY One.

arE yOu tHiNKiNg of INstRucture? they're baseD in saLt Lake City, anD
maRketwatch gIveS their currenT maRket caP aS $1.86B

~~~
sHAlmanEse
yeah, I'M prettY Sure thAt was the oNe, THanks!

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rAIyu
I've hAD A fAir aMount of experience WItH Coding boot campS havinG hAVe HELpeD
seVeral frienDs And coWOrkers aPPlY, GET acCEpted, attend, anD complete
boOTcaMps acrOsS vaRIous ciTies aNd INstItutions.

The Idea Of bootcamPs is faNTastic, tHEy allow People ThaT maY havE NoT bEen
ExPOseD To ComPUteR science To GeT up to SpeeD ON TEchnOloGy anD tranSition
careers.

howEver, THerE are sEveraL proBlEms. FiRst and ForemOsT, while 3-6-9 months
are GreaT when you aRe gOiNg fRoM zero KNowledGe, tHe cHallengE is that ISn't
EnOUGH tIme to really be a juniOr DEVeLoper unlEss you HAvE pRIor experIeNce.
so yoU WIll neEd to COnTinue to aUgment YOuR eDucatioN aFter grAdUatIon To
ensURe thAt you gEt a well pAying JOb.

Most people atTEnding bootcamPS aRE DoINg so AftEr college anD latER in lIfe,
wHIcH meANs eveN thouGh SOmE Bootcamps are cheaper ThAn atteNding A semester
or a fUll year of cOLLEge they aRe stILl QUite expensive bEcausE the studenTS
are not "sTudenTs" in that They are usUALly adultS anD neEd tO fiGURe Out how
to pay foR SChooL, aTtend clAssEs, while EffEctIveLy rEcEiving zerO income.

ANd ApPlYiNg fOr loaNS is much mOrE coMpLex BecauSE this iSn't thE samE aS
tAKinG out stuDEnT DEbt fOr CoLlegE.

ThE sEcond IssuE Is tHat all oF these booTcaMPs saY tHaT they arE for
beginners WiTh zero knowLeDge, But looKINg over thEir curriculums that simplY
Isn't the CasE. SoftWare EngineeriNg hAs gottEn mUCh more CompleX over ThE
paST DecadE. wHeN I fIrSt started fUMBliNg aroUnD witH it myseLf I could just
write sOMe PhP or Perl code, aNd gEt up AND rUnnINg QUicKlY. todAY You need to
know abOut github, jAvAScRipt librarIEs, fRaMeworks, And the tYpicaL "hello
WoRld" applicAtion isn't A dIrecT ROutE.

Most of theSe schoolS don't realIZe thaT ThEir fiRst StudenTs Are AlreaDy
expoSEd
 had a, I think, ~$2B exit  but thatmight  be  th eonly  one .

~~~
dathanb 8 2
>There was a player fro m Uta hw hose na me el udes me no w tha tha d a ,I  t hink, 
>~$2B ex it but tha t m ig ht be the on l yone.

Areyou  thinking of  In struct ur e?T hey'r e b asedin Sal t  LakeCity, and 
M a rketwa t ch give s th eircurrent market ca p  a s  $1.86B

~~~
s halman es e 
Y e a h,I'm  pretty su re  that was the on e , tha n ks!

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r aiyu
I've h a d a  fairam oun t  of ex perie nc e  wi th coding b ootcamps hav ing ha v e helpe d 
severa l frie nds  an d co w or ke rsap p ly, ge t a c cep ted, att en d,  andcomp l e t e 
boo tca mpsacros s various cit ies  and ins titut ions. 

Th eideaof boo tcamp sis fantastic, t heyallow peo ple  t hat  m ay ha v e notbee n
e xposedto comp u ter  s c i e nc e to get up to spe ed o ntechnolo gy and tr an s ition
ca re ers .

H o w ever,  the r eare seve ral pr o bl em s. Firs tand fo re mos t,while 3-6- 9 mont hs
are g reatw hen you are go i ng from zerok no w l ed g e, t hechallenge i s th a t is n'te no ugh timeto re al l yb e a junior develope runless  youhave prior ex perience.S o you will  nee d  t o  continue to a ugmen t your edu c ation af ter g raduatio n to
ensu r e  that yo u g eta w ell p ay ing job.

Mos t peop le  attend ing  bootca mps  ar e d oin gso aftercollegean dla te r i n lif e ,
whichme ans  e ven  thou g h some  boot camp sar e  ch eaper t h an a tten di ng  a s eme st er
or  a f u llyear of  collegethe y  are  s ti ll quit e expensive b ec ause the s tu den ts
are n ot "stud ents" in that they areu suallyadu lts a nd n eed to fi gur e outhow to pay  for s chool ,att e n d cla s s es , w hi le effecti v e lyrecei vi ng z ero inc ome.

And applying for  loans is muc h m orec o mp lex be c aus et his i sn't the same a s
taking o ut st udent debt for  c ollege. 

The s econd issue i s that al l of thes eboot c a mps  say thatthey are  for
begi n nersw it h zer o k nowled ge , b ut lo okingo ver  thei r curr ic ulumsthatsi mply
isn 't the case. Software e nginee ringhas  gotten m uch mor e complex  ove r the
past  de cad e. Wh enI  firs t st a rt edf umbli ng a r ound with it  my s e lf  I could ju s t wri te so meP HP orPerl  code, and get up and running qu ickl y .  To day youne ed to
know abo utgi t h ub, java sc ript librar ies, fra me w orks,  and t he typ ical "H e l lo World"  app lic ation isn 'tad irect r ou te . 

Most  ofth ese sc hoolsd on't r ealize that thei r fir s t  stud e nts  areal ready
e x pose d
 had_a, I_think, ~$2B exit but_that might_be_the only_one.

~~~
dathanb82
>_There was a_player from Utah_whose name eludes me_now that had_a,_I think,
> ~$2B exit but that might be the only one.

Are you thinking of_Instructure?_They're based_in_Salt_Lake City, and
Marketwatch gives their_current market cap as $1.86B

~~~
shalmanese
Yeah,_I'm pretty_sure that was the one, thanks!

------
raiyu
I've had a_fair_amount of experience_with coding boot camps having have helped
several friends and_coworkers apply, get accepted, attend, and_complete
bootcamps across various_cities_and_institutions.

The idea of bootcamps_is fantastic, they allow people that_may have not been
exposed to computer_science to get up to speed on_technology and transition
careers.

However, there are several_problems. First and foremost, while_3-6-9 months
are_great when you are going_from zero knowledge,_the challenge_is that isn't
enough_time to really be a junior_developer unless you_have prior experience.
So you will need_to_continue to augment_your_education_after graduation_to
ensure that you_get_a well_paying_job.

Most people attending bootcamps are doing_so_after college and later in life,
which means_even though some bootcamps_are_cheaper than attending a_semester
or a full year of_college they are still quite expensive_because the_students
are not_"students" in that they are usually adults and need to figure_out how
to pay for school, attend_classes, while effectively receiving_zero income.

And_applying_for loans is_much_more complex_because this isn't the same as
taking out_student debt_for college.

The second issue is that_all of these bootcamps_say_that they are for
beginners with zero_knowledge, but looking over their curriculums_that simply
isn't the case. Software_engineering_has_gotten much more complex over_the
past decade. When I first started_fumbling around with_it myself I could just
write some PHP_or_Perl code, and get up and_running_quickly. Today you need to
know about_github,_javascript_libraries, frameworks, and the typical_"Hello
World" application isn't a direct route.

Most_of these schools don't realize that their first students_are already
exposed