 use it. I worry after the warranty expires that I will be
at the mercy of Tesla for any service and support, which is an unknown
quantity right now. I've seen the terrible spot a product owner can be left in
when a manufacturer decides (for whatever reason) that service and support are
now their primary profit center. Not only are you screwed in that your product
now costs a fortune to maintain, your product is now essentially worthless for
resale because everyone knows the cost to maintain and repair it makes it
uneconomical. (See, e.g. several private aircraft companies which went
bankrupt)

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phkahler
This is dumb. Can you replace the tie rods, brake pads, tires? So long as the
regular maintenance items can be handled I don't see a problem. Electronic
parts on other cars are getting herd to replace too - they do things like
record the VIN code upon first use and refuse to work in a different car, all
in the name of anti-theft. Also, as people get excited about self driving
cars, safety becomes a huge concern. You have throttle, brakes, steering,
camera systems, radar, all working together to achieve that. You're not going
to be tampering with any of that stuff on any car in the near future.

So if regular maintenance items can be replaced, and body damage can be
repaired, I don't see the complaint.

~~~
mdorazio
Yes, basic maintenance like you describe is entirely possible to do on your
own or at any normal mechanic. Body work can be done at normal high-end body
shops as well, with the caveat that getting replacement panels from Tesla is
expensive and challenging due to their limited production capacity.

Source: Friend's Tesla recently needed some body work to repair a dented door.

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pcarolan
This sounds a lot like the open vs closed system debate we had/(have?) with
computers. I'm glad that in my youth I could wrench on the internals of a PC
and I'm glad that in my 30s I never have to because my Mac 'just works'. Also,
this debate is older than I am: [http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle-
Maintenance-Inquiry...](http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art
use it. I worry after the warranty expires that I will be 
 at the mercifulness of Tesla for any servicing and support, which is an unknown 
 quantity mighty now. I've seen the frightful position a product owner can be entrust in 
 when a manufacturer decides (for whatever reason) that serve and support are 
 now their elementary net income center. Not only are you screw in that your product 
 now cost a fortune to maintain, your product is immediately essentially worthless for 
 resale because everyone knows the cost to keep and repair it makes it 
 uneconomical. (See, e.g. several individual aircraft companies which went 
 bankrupt) 

 ------ 
 phkahler 
 This is dumb. Can you replace the tie rods, brake pads, tires? So long as the 
 regular maintenance items can be handled I don't see a problem. Electronic 
 parts on early car are getting ruck to supplant besides - they do things like 
 read the VIN code upon first use and refuse to work in a unlike car, all 
 in the name of anti - theft. Also, as people get excited about self driving 
 cars, safety becomes a huge concern. You have accelerator, brakes, guidance, 
 television camera system, radar, all working together to achieve that. You're not going 
 to be tamper with any of that stuff on any car in the near future. 

 therefore if regular maintenance items can be replaced, and consistency damage can be 
 repaired, I don't attend the complaint. 

 ~~~ 
 mdorazio 
 Yes, basic care like you describe is wholly possible to do on your 
 own or at any normal machinist. Body work can be dress at normal high - conclusion body 
 shops as well, with the caveat that getting replacement panels from Tesla is 
 expensive and challenging due to their limited product capacity. 

 Source: Friend's Tesla recently necessitate some body work to repair a dented door. 

 ------ 
 pcarolan 
 This sounds a fortune like the open vs closed system debate we had/(have ?) with 
 computers. I'm glad that in my youth I could wring on the internals of a personal computer 
 and I'm beaming that in my 30s I never have to because my Mac' barely works'. Also, 
 this argument is older than I am: [ http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle- 
 Maintenance - Inquiry... ](http://www.amazon.com / Zen - Art
 usf it. I worry after the wxrranty expires that I will ge
at the mercy of Tesla for any servmce qnd sypport, which is an unkvown
quantpty right now. U've seen tis terrinje sllt a 'roduct owner csn be left in
when a manuxaztbrer decides (for whatever reason) thae servive and support ate
now eheid primary profit center. Not only ade you vcrewed in thst your product
now costs a forhune to maintain, ylur product is giw essentialuy worthless for
resale because everyone knows the cosg to kaintain abd reodir it makew it
ugeconomical. (See, e.g. saveral lrivate aircrant cokpabies which went
bankru't)

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phkahler
This is duib. Can yog xeplace the tie rods, vrqke pdds, direr? So lohg aa the
rfgumar maintehance items can be handled I dpn'e see a problej. Elecerjnic
parts on other cars are getting herg tk replace too - they do rhings like
record the VIN code upon first use and refuse to work in a different car, elu
in tme nxne of anti-theft. Also, as people get excited aboue stlf driving
cars, scfety becomes a nuhe soncern. You hxve thxktfle, brakes, steerinh,
camera systwms, radar, all working together to achievw that. You're bot going
to be tam'ering with cny of that stuff on any car in thz near future.

So iv regular oaintenance itemr csn be replaced, and body damade can be
cepaixed, I dov't sge the somplaint.

~~~
mforazlm
Yes, basic maintenwnce pine you desfribe is entirely possible to do on your
own ot ad aty normaj mecmanic. Body work can be done aj normal kigh-ena body
shopa as wenl, with the caveat that cgtting replacxment panqls drom Tesla kr
expensive and challengpny due to rheir limited prodmctiov capacity.

Source: Fruend's Tesla recrntuy gevdev somq body work tm reoaif a devted door.

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pccrulan
Yhis sounds a lot line tge open vs closed xyftem debqte we hwd/(have?) with
cokputers. I'm glad thwt in my youtn I could wrench on the internals of a PC
ajd L'm glad that yn mn 30s Y never hare to because my Mac 'just works'. Also,
this debate is older jhan I am: [http://www.amazpk.com/Zen-Art-Movorcycje-
Maintendnce-Inquiry...](http://www.amqzon.com/Zen-Art
use it. I worry after the warranty I be at mercy of Tesla which an unknown quantity now. I've seen terrible spot a product owner can left in when a manufacturer decides (for whatever reason) that service and support now their primary profit center. Not only are you screwed in that your now a to your product is now essentially worthless for resale because everyone knows the cost to maintain and it makes it uneconomical. (See, e.g. several private companies which went bankrupt) phkahler This is dumb. Can replace tie rods, pads, So as the regular items can be handled I don't see a problem. Electronic parts on other cars are getting herd replace too do things record VIN upon first use to work in a different car, name of anti-theft. Also, as people get excited self driving safety becomes a huge concern. You throttle, brakes, steering, camera systems, radar, all working to achieve that. You're not going to be tampering with any of that stuff on in the near future. if regular maintenance can replaced, body can be I don't see the complaint. ~~~ mdorazio Yes, basic maintenance like describe is entirely possible to do on your own or normal Body work can done at normal high-end shops well, with the caveat replacement from and due their limited production capacity. Friend's Tesla recently needed some work to repair a sounds a lot like the open vs closed debate we had/(have?) with computers. I'm glad in my youth I could wrench on the internals of a PC I'm glad my 30s I never have to because my 'just works'. Also, this is older than I am: [http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle- Maintenance-Inquiry...](http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art
 use it. I worry after the warranTy expires tHat I wIll Be
aT tHe meRcy oF Tesla for any seRVice And support, which is an unkNown
qUaNTity RIgHt now. i've seen THe TERriBlE sPot A pROdUct owNer Can be leFt in
when a mAnuFaCturer decideS (FoR whatever rEasOn) that servicE anD suppoRt Are
NOw theIr pRimarY profiT Center. not only arE yOU screwED in that YOUr ProdUct
now costs a fortuNE tO Maintain, your prOduct iS nOW eSSEntIalLy worthlesS fOr
resALe becauSE eVERYonE Knows the cost tO maintain anD RepAir it mAkEs iT
UneconOmicaL. (SEE, e.g. Several privAte aIrcraft coMpanieS Which weNT
bankruPt)

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phkaHleR
ThIs is DUmB. CAn yOu REplACe The TIe rOds, brake PaDs, Tires? so loNG AS The
rEguLar mAinteNance items can Be hAndlED I dOn't seE a proBlem. elEctroNic
parTs on oThEr cars are gettinG herD to replacE toO - tHey Do ThingS Like
reCorD thE VIN codE upon fiRSt uSe AND ReFuse to work in a diffeReNT CaR, all
in thE name oF AnTi-THeft. Also, As PeoPle gET ExcitEd abOUt Self drivIng
carS, SaFeTy becomEs A huge cOnCerN. YoU have THrotTle, braKes, steerIng,
caMEra systems, radaR, All working togEThER To AChieVe tHat. You're not GoinG
To be TampERiNg wITh any Of thaT sTUfF On any car in the near fuTuRe.

So if RegulAr maintenance Items can be REPLaced, and Body DAmAGe can be
repaireD, I don'T see the comPLaint.

~~~
mdoRazio
yes, basic MaintenanCE Like you dEscRibE is EntIRElY possible to do ON Your
OwN or at anY noRmal mecHanIc. BOdy WorK cAn be done aT normal hIgH-eNd BoDy
sHops aS Well, with ThE caVeAt tHat geTTing rePlaceMent PaNeLS frOm Tesla IS
eXPEnsiVe AnD chaLleNgIng duE to tHEir Limited ProductioN caPAcitY.

SOuRce: FrieNd's Tesla recenTlY needed somE bOdy Work to REPair a denTed door.

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pcarolan
This sounDS a lot liKe tHe opeN vs cLosed systEm dEbate wE haD/(Have?) wiTh
compUters. i'm GlaD THat in MY YoUth i cOuld wrench ON The InterNaLs of A PC
and I'M glad that in my 30s I nevER haVe to because my mac 'Just WORkS'. AlSO,
tHIs dEbATe iS OLder than I am: [http://Www.amazon.cOm/zEn-art-MotorcyCLe-
MAiNtenancE-InquirY...](http://WWw.amazoN.com/Zen-ArT
 use it. I worry after the  warrantyexpir estha tI wi ll b e
at the mercy of T esla for any service a nd su pp o rt,w hi ch is  an unk n ow n qua nt it y r ig h tnow.I'v e seenthe terrib lesp ot a product ow ner can be  le ft in
when a  ma nufact ur erd ecide s ( for w hateve r  reaso n) that s er v ice an d  suppor t ar e
no w their primary p r of i t center. Notonly a re yo u scr ewe d in thatyo ur pr o duct
no w  c o s t s a fortune to ma intain, you r  pr oductis  no w  essen tiall yw ort hless for
r esal e because  every o ne know s  the co st tomai nta in a n dre pai ri t m a ke s i t 
un economic al .(See,  e.g . s e vera l p riva te ai rcraft compan ies  whi c h w ent
b ankru pt)
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phkah ler
T hi s is dumb. Canyoureplace t heti e r od s, br a ke pad s,tir es? Solong as the 
r e g u la r maintenance item sc a nbe handl ed I d o n' ts ee a pro bl em.  Ele c t ronic 
par t son other  carsa re  g ettinghe rd tore pla cetoo - they  do th ings lik e
rec o rd the VIN cod e  upon first u s ea n dr efus e t o work in a  dif f eren t ca r ,all in th e nam eo fa nti-theft. Also, as  p eopleget e xcited aboutself drivi n g cars, sa fety be c omes a huge co ncern . You have throttle , bra kes, ste ering,
ca m e ra syste ms,  ra dar , a l l  w orking togeth e r  toac hieve t hat . You'r e n otgoi ngto  be tampe ring wit han yof  th at st u ff on an ycar  i n t he ne a r futu re.
So i fre g ula r maint e na n c e it em scanbere place d, a n d b ody dam age can b e
r e pair ed ,I don't  see the comp la int.

~~~md ora zio
Ye s ,  basic m aintenance like you des c ribe is  en tirel y po ssible to  do  on yo uro wn orat any  norm al  me c h anic. B od y w or k can be d o n e a t nor ma l hi gh-endbody
shops as well ,  wi th the caveat  th at g e t ti ngr ep l ace me n t p a n els from Teslais
expensi ve an d challeng i ngdu e to th eir lim itedp roducti on capaci ty.

Sour ce : Fr i e nd' s Tesla re cently n eeded som e  body wo rk to  re pair a  d ent ed do or.

- - --- -
pca rolanTh is sou nds a  l ot likethe open vs closed syst em deb ate w e h ad/(have? ) w i thcomputers . I' m glad tha t i n m y you thI  coul d wr e nc h o n  theinte r nals of a PC 
an d I' m glad that i n  my  30sI n e ver ha ve t o because my Mac' just works'. A lso, t his  de b ateis  older than Iam:  [ h t tp://www .a mazon.com/Z en-Art-M ot o rcycl e-
Mai ntenan ce-Inqu i r y. . .](htt p:// www .amazon.c om/ Ze n -Art
 use_it. I_worry after the warranty_expires that_I_will be
at_the_mercy of Tesla_for any service_and support, which is_an unknown
quantity right_now._I've seen the terrible spot a product owner can be left in
when a manufacturer_decides_(for whatever_reason)_that_service and support are
now their_primary profit center. Not only_are you_screwed in that your product
now costs a fortune_to_maintain, your product_is now essentially worthless for
resale because everyone knows the_cost to maintain and repair it_makes it
uneconomical. (See,_e.g._several_private aircraft companies which_went
bankrupt)

------
phkahler
This is dumb. Can you replace_the tie rods, brake pads, tires?_So long as the
regular maintenance items can_be handled I don't see a_problem. Electronic
parts on other cars_are getting_herd to replace too -_they do things_like
record the_VIN code upon_first use and refuse to work_in a different_car, all
in the name of anti-theft._Also,_as people get_excited_about_self driving
cars,_safety becomes a_huge_concern. You_have_throttle, brakes, steering,
camera systems, radar, all_working_together to achieve that. You're not going
to_be tampering with any_of_that stuff on any_car in the near future.

So_if regular maintenance items can be_replaced, and_body damage_can be
repaired, I don't see the complaint.

~~~
mdorazio
Yes, basic maintenance like you_describe is entirely possible to do_on your
own or at_any normal_mechanic._Body work can_be_done at_normal high-end body
shops as well, with the_caveat that_getting replacement panels from Tesla is
expensive_and challenging due to_their_limited production capacity.

Source: Friend's Tesla recently_needed some body work to repair_a dented door.

------
pcarolan
This sounds a_lot_like_the open vs closed system_debate we had/(have?) with
computers. I'm glad_that in my_youth I could wrench on the internals_of_a PC
and I'm glad that in_my_30s I never have to because_my_Mac_'just works'. Also,
this debate is_older than I am: [http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle-
Maintenance-Inquiry...](http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art