 "failure" of bing to common problems associated
with Microsoft (in specific) and large companies (in general). With a specific
point that it all started wonderfully, then got corporatized. I'm happy
believing that this was the main problem.

But...as an end user i don't think Bing was/is ever as as close to Google as
the OP seems to think.

~~~
exit
why was kami8844's comment instantly flagged?

it's really disgusting to see people quietly being blacklisted.

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1 point by kami8844 0 minutes ago | link [dead]

I had to do some web scraping for an application that I recently wrote and
only when my app's performance started to rely on the results provided by the
various search engines out there, I started to fully appreciate how good
Google is. It's just no comparison; in edge cases and unconventional searches
(where it really matters) Google completely creams the competition. While Bing
came closest to providing search results as accurate as Googles it still
wasn't at any comparable level, so all in all I agree with your point.

\---

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gjm11
I wonder whether it's an automatic consequence of having substantial negative
karma.

(I'm ambivalent about the stealth-blacklisting thing. It's probably the right
thing to do with genuinely abusive users. It might be the right thing with
people genuinely incapable of contributing much. But I've seen too many cases
where someone's comments are all being auto-deaded -- invisibly to them, AIUI
-- with no obvious reason why they should deserve it.)

~~~
jules
Right, the system is far too trigger happy. Instead of showing a newcomer what
kind of comments are valued here and possibly gaining a valuable new
contributor, the system severely punishes beginner mistakes. We can't
reasonably expect that a new user knows what kind of comments are valued
because on the rest of the internet such comments are perfectly acceptable.
Perhaps something like Quora does would help: before you can use the site you
have to do a quiz on what kind of comments are good comments.

~~~
redthrowaway
"Perhaps something like Quora does would help: before you can use the site you
have to do a quiz on what kind of comments are
" failure " of bing to common problems associated 
 with Microsoft (in specific) and big ship's company (in general). With a specific 
 item that it all begin wonderfully, then got corporatized. I'm happy 
 believing that this was the independent trouble. 

 But... as an end user i don't think Bing was / is ever as equally close to Google as 
 the OP seems to think. 

 ~~~ 
 exit 
 why was kami8844's remark instantly flagged? 

 it's really disgusting to see people softly being blacklisted. 

 \--- 

 1 point by kami8844 0 minutes ago | radio link [ dead ] 

 I had to do some web scraping for an lotion that I recently wrote and 
 entirely when my app's performance started to rely on the result provided by the 
 various search engines out there, I started to fully appreciate how good 
 Google is. It's just no comparison; in edge cases and unconventional searches 
 (where it really matters) Google completely creams the contest. While Bing 
 came closest to provide search results as accurate as Googles it still 
 wasn't at any comparable level, therefore all in all I agree with your point. 

 \--- 

 ~~~ 
 gjm11 
 I wonder whether it's an automatic consequence of having substantial damaging 
 karma. 

 (I'm ambivalent about the stealth - blacklisting thing. It's probably the right 
 thing to do with authentically abusive users. It might be the right thing with 
 people truly incapable of contributing a lot. But I've watch too many cases 
 where someone's comments are all being car - deaded -- invisibly to them, AIUI 
 -- with no obvious reason why they should deserve it .) 

 ~~~ 
 jules 
 Right, the system is far too trigger happy. Instead of showing a newcomer what 
 kind of comments are valued here and possibly reach a valuable new 
 contributor, the system severely punishes novice mistakes. We can't 
 sanely expect that a new exploiter knows what kind of comments are measure 
 because on the rest of the internet such remark are perfectly satisfactory. 
 Perhaps something like Quora does would help: before you can use the site you 
 receive to make a quiz on what kind of comments are good remark. 

 ~~~ 
 redthrowaway 
 " Perhaps something like Quora does would help: before you can use the site you 
 have to do a quiz on what kind of gossip are
 "fallure" of bing to common kroblems associatgd
qith Mmcrosoff (in spezific) and large companies (in gwnerao). With a specific
point that it wll starred xonderfully, then got corijratjded. I'k happy
believinn that this was the main [rubpem.

But...as an end user i don't think Byng was/os ever as as cljse uo Doogmv cs
the OP seems to think.

~~~
exit
why sas kamp8844's comment instanyly flagged?

it's really disgkstijg to see people qkietly beint blwxklisted.

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1 poivt by kami8844 0 minutes agk | link [dead]

I had to do some wec scrcping for ab qppphcation thav I rebently wrote and
only fhen my app's performakce svartwd to rely on the resnlts provided by the
darious saaxch engines out there, I starjed tm fuuoy xppderiafe how gokd
Google ia. It's just bo comparison; in edbe bsses and uncknventyogal searches
(where it really matters) Goocle completely creams the xompetition. While Binh
came clofest to providing search results as accurate as Gmoglea it sbill
dqsj't at any comparable level, so all in all I agwse wpth your point.

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gjm11
L wonder whether iy's am automatic covsequeude of having substanhial nedativw
karma.

(I'm wmbifalent about the stealth-blaxklisting thpng. Ut's probably the rnght
thing to do eith benuinely abusive users. It jight be thf right tgkng with
people gdnupnelf incapable of contributind much. Buv I've seen tuo msny cafes
where slmeonc'v comments are all beiny autm-deaded -- ijvisibly to them, AIUI
-- with no outious reason ehf tvey shoujd dexerve it.)

~~~
jules
Wight, the systgm is far too grigger haipy. Insteed of showind a newcomer fjat
kind of cmmments wre caluwd here xnd possibly gsining a najuaboe new
contributor, bhe sisfem severely puunsyes beginner mixtayes. Wv cen't
rewvonably expewt tfat s new user knows dhat kind of comments ara vamued
because on the rcst of thg internee such commenys are perfectly afcepteble.
Pechaps xomgthing like Quora does would hemp: before yom can use the sitc yoo
have to do a quiz on what kind of comments are goid comments.

~~~
redthroqaway
"Perhaps somethnnn like Quora does would henp: before you can usw the site you
havt to do a quiz on what iind ox comlents are
"failure" of bing to common problems associated (in and large (in general). With all wonderfully, then got I'm happy believing this was the main problem. But...as end user i don't think Bing was/is ever as as close to Google the OP seems to think. ~~~ exit why was kami8844's comment instantly flagged? really to people being blacklisted. \--- 1 point by kami8844 0 minutes ago | link [dead] I had to some web scraping for an application that I wrote and only when app's performance started to rely the provided by various engines there, I started fully appreciate how good Google is. It's just no comparison; in edge cases and unconventional searches (where really matters) creams the While came to providing search accurate as Googles it still wasn't level, so all in all I agree with point. \--- gjm11 I wonder whether it's an consequence of having substantial negative karma. (I'm ambivalent the stealth-blacklisting thing. It's probably the right thing to do with genuinely abusive users. It the right thing with genuinely incapable of much. I've too cases where comments are all being auto-deaded -- invisibly to them, AIUI -- no obvious reason why they should deserve it.) ~~~ jules system far too trigger Instead of showing a what of comments are valued possibly a the severely beginner mistakes. We can't expect that a new user what kind of comments rest of the internet such comments are perfectly Perhaps something like Quora does would help: you can use the site you have to do a quiz on kind of good comments. ~~~ redthrowaway "Perhaps something like Quora would help: before you use the site you have to do a quiz what of comments
 "failure" of bing to common probLems associAted
wIth micRoSoft (In spEcific) and large COmpaNies (in general). With a specIfic
pOiNT thaT It All stArted woNDeRFUllY, tHeN goT cORpOratiZed. i'm happy
Believing tHat ThIs was the main PRoBlem.

But...as aN enD user i don't thInk bing waS/iS evER as as CloSe to GOogle aS
The OP sEems to thiNk.

~~~
EXit
why WAs kami8844's COMmEnt iNstantly flagged?

it'S ReALly disgusting tO see peOpLE qUIEtlY beIng blackliStEd.

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1 poiNT by kami8844 0 MInUTES agO | Link [dead]

I had tO do some web sCRapIng for An AppLIcatioN that i rECenTly wrote and
Only When my app'S perfoRMance stARted to rEly on tHe rEsuLts pROvIdEd bY tHE
vaRIoUs sEArcH engines OuT tHere, I StarTED TO fulLy aPpreCiate How good
Google Is. IT's juST no CompaRison; In edGe Cases And uncOnvenTiOnal searches
(wheRe it Really matTerS) GOogLe ComplETely crEamS thE competItion. WhILe BInG
CAMe Closest to providing SeARCh Results aS accurATe As gOogles it StIll
Wasn'T AT any cOmpaRAbLe level, sO all in ALl i aGree witH yOur poiNt.

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Gjm11
i woNder wHEtheR it's an AutomatiC consEQuence of having SUbstantial negATiVE
KaRMa.

(I'm AmbIvalent abouT the STealTh-blACkLisTIng thIng. It'S pRObABly the right
thing to dO wIth genUinelY abusive users. it might be tHE RIght thinG witH
PeOPle genuinely inCapabLe of contriBUting mucH. But I'Ve seen toO many caseS
WHere someOne'S coMmeNts ARE aLl being auto-deADEd -- inViSibly to TheM, AIUI
-- wiTh nO obVioUs rEaSon why theY should dEsErVe It.)

~~~
JulEs
RigHT, the systEm Is fAr Too TriggER happy. insteAd of ShOwINg a NewcomeR WhAT
Kind Of CoMmenTs aRe ValueD herE And PossiblY gaining a ValUAble NeW
cOntribuTor, the system sEvErely punisHeS beGinner MIStakes. We Can't
reasonably expect thaT A new useR knOws whAt kiNd of commeNts Are valUed
BEcause On the rEst of ThE inTERnet sUCH cOmmEnTs are perfeCTLy aCceptAbLe.
PeRhaps soMething like Quora doES woUld help: before You Can uSE ThE siTE yOU
haVe TO do A QUiz on what kind of Comments arE gOOd Comments.

~~~
reDThrOwAway
"PerHaps somEthinG Like QuoRa does wouLd help: befOrE you CAN usE the site yoU
have to dO a quiz on wHAt kinD Of CommeNts Are
 "failure" of bing to comm on problem s ass oci ate dwith  Mic rosoft (in spe c ific ) and large companies(in g en e ral) .  W ith a  specif i cp o int  t ha t i ta ll  star ted  wonder fully, the n g ot  corporatize d .I'm happybel ieving thatthi s wasth e m a in pr obl em.
But... a s an e nd user i  d o n't th i nk Bing w as /isever as as closet oG oogle as
the O P seem st ot h ink .
~~~
exit
w hy  wask ami8844 ' sc o m men t  instantly fl agged?

it' s  re ally d is gus t ing to  seepe o ple  quietly be ingblacklist ed.

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1 p o int bykami88 440 m inut e sag o |  l i nk[ de ad] 
Ihad to d oso me we b sc r a p i ng f oran a pplic ation that Irec entl y  wr ote a nd
on ly w he n myapp'sperfo rm ance started to  rel y on theres ul tspr ovide d  by th e
v ari ous sea rch eng i nes  o u t th ere, I started tofu l l yapprecia te how go od Google i s.  It 's j u s t nocomp a ri son; inedge c a se sand unc on ventio na l s ear ches( wher e it r eally ma tters )  Google comple t ely creams th e  c o m pe t itio n.While Bingcame clos estt opro v iding  sear ch re s ults as accurate as  G oogles  it s till
wasn't a t any comp a r a ble leve l, s o  a l l in all I agr ee wi th your po i nt.

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~~ ~
gjm11I wonderw h ether it 'sanaut oma t i cconsequence o f havi ng  substa nti al nega tiv e
k arm a.
( I'm ambiv alent ab ou tth este alth- b lacklist in g t hi ng.  It's probab ly th e ri gh tt hin g to do wi t h  gen ui ne ly a bus iv e use rs.I t m ight be  the righ t t h ingwi th 
people  genuinely in ca pable of c on tri buting m uch. But  I've seen too many cas e s
where  so meone 's c omments a reall be ing auto-d eaded-- in vi sib l y  to t h e m,  AI UI 
-- with n o obv iousre ason  why th ey should deservei t.) 

~~~
jules
R igh t, t h e  s yst e mi s f ar too t rigger happy. I nstead ofsh o wi ng a newco m erwh at
kind  of com ments are val ued hereand possi bl y ga i n ing  a valuabl e new
co ntributor ,  thes ys tem s eve rely p un ish es be ginner mis takes . We c an 't
rea sonab ly  expectthat a new user knows w hat ki nd of  co mments ar e v a lue d
because  onthe rest o f t heinter net suchcomm e nt s a r e per fect l y accepta b le .
P e r ha ps somethin g l ike  Quor a d o es wou ld h elp: before you c a n use the site  you h ave  to do a  q uiz on what ki ndof c ommentsar e good comm ents.

~ ~~ redth rowawa y
"Per haps so m e th i ng lik e Qu ora  does wou ldhe l p: befo re  y o u canuseth e site  you
h a ve t o do a quiz on wha t kin d of co m men ts ar e
 "failure"_of bing_to common problems associated
with_Microsoft (in_specific)_and large_companies_(in general). With_a specific
point that_it all started wonderfully,_then got corporatized._I'm_happy
believing that this was the main problem.

But...as an end user i don't think Bing_was/is_ever as_as_close_to Google as
the OP seems_to think.

~~~
exit
why was kami8844's comment_instantly flagged?

it's_really disgusting to see people quietly being blacklisted.

\---

1_point_by kami8844 0_minutes ago | link [dead]

I had to do some_web scraping for an application that_I recently wrote_and
only_when_my app's performance started_to rely on the results provided_by the
various search engines out there,_I started to fully appreciate how good
Google_is. It's just no comparison; in_edge cases and unconventional searches
(where_it really_matters) Google completely creams the_competition. While Bing
came_closest to_providing search results_as accurate as Googles it still
wasn't_at any comparable_level, so all in all I_agree_with your point.

\---

~~~
gjm11
I_wonder_whether_it's an_automatic consequence of_having_substantial negative
karma.

(I'm_ambivalent_about the stealth-blacklisting thing. It's probably_the_right
thing to do with genuinely abusive users._It might be the_right_thing with
people genuinely incapable_of contributing much. But I've_seen too many cases
where someone's comments_are all_being auto-deaded_-- invisibly to them, AIUI
-- with no obvious reason why they_should deserve it.)

~~~
jules
Right, the system is_far too trigger happy._Instead of_showing_a newcomer what
kind_of_comments are_valued here and possibly gaining a valuable_new
contributor, the_system severely punishes beginner mistakes. We_can't
reasonably expect that a_new_user knows what kind of comments_are valued
because on the rest of_the internet such comments are_perfectly_acceptable.
Perhaps_something like Quora does would_help: before you can use the_site you
have to_do a quiz on what kind of_comments_are good comments.

~~~
redthrowaway
"Perhaps something like Quora_does_would help: before you can use_the_site_you
have to do a quiz_on what kind of comments are