 I invite you to find
an example of vacancies increasing in the same place that housing/rents climb
- it won't exist in any of the real estate hot-beds in America.

The main thrust of this article and the research surrounding it by folks like
City Observatory, Sightline Institute, etc. is that we now _do_ know the
dynamic of housing prices in booming economies. I don't feel like you've
provided any evidence that contradicts the conclusions presented in the
research, so I'm having trouble pinpointing your skepticism. Let me know if
I've missed your point!

------
alexasmyths
Folks - please add immigration.

Why on earth people don't grasp that when population is increasing mostly due
to newcomers it affects housing... this bothers me - because it's
politicized, nobody can talk about it it seems.

Immigration is just a reality, it's part of the equation - it has real effects
on housing costs and wages, one can't ignore it because sometimes the answers
might not jive with one's politics.

So, immigration (or rather, population change, which can include births etc.)
- is an important driving factor.

Which includes migration between states/regions obviously.

~~~
ouid
just build more housing.

~~~
Danihan
Not everyone wants to live in a super over-populated / densely populated
area...

In general, more saturation of humans == more problems.

People make fun of NIMBY, but at the end of the day who better to manage the
neighborhood than the people who are already invested in it..?

~~~
OrwellianChild
You wish to extend control of property beyond the borders of what they own
outright?

~~~
AnimalMuppet
But that happens all the time. Neighborhood zoning restrictions, restrictive
covenants, homeowner association rules, and so on. So Danihan's position is,
_de facto_, what the situation already is in many instances.

So: You wish to _not allow_ any control of property by anyone other than the
property owner? Are you sure you really want that?

~~~
OrwellianChild
You just listed the principal agents in the NIMBY crusade, which I suppose
it's clear I am in
I invite you to find 
 an example of vacancies increase in the like place that housing / economic rent rise 
 - it won't exist in any of the real estate blistering - beds in America. 

 The main thrust of this article and the inquiry besiege it by folks like 
 City Observatory, Sightline Institute, etc. is that we immediately _ do _ know the 
 dynamic of caparison prices in booming economies. I don't feel like you've 
 provided any evidence that contradicts the conclusions introduce in the 
 research, so I'm having trouble pinpoint your skepticism. Let me acknowledge if 
 I've missed your detail! 

 ------ 
 alexasmyths 
 Folks - please add immigration. 

 Why on earth people don't grasp that when population is increase mostly due 
 to newcomers it affects housing... this bothers me - because it's 
 politicized, nobody can talk about it it seems. 

 Immigration is just a reality, it's part of the equation - it has real effects 
 on housing cost and wages, one can't ignore it because sometimes the answer 
 might not jive with one's politics. 

 indeed, immigration (or rather, population change, which can admit births etc .) 
 - is an authoritative driving factor. 

 Which include migration between states / regions obviously. 

 ~~~ 
 ouid 
 just build more housing. 

 ~~~ 
 Danihan 
 Not everyone wants to exist in a super over - populated / densely populated 
 area... 

 In cosmopolitan, more impregnation of world = = more problems. 

 People make playfulness of NIMBY, but at the end of the day who better to manage the 
 neighborhood than the people who are already invested in it.. ? 

 ~~~ 
 OrwellianChild 
 You wish to extend control of place beyond the borders of what they own 
 outright? 

 ~~~ 
 AnimalMuppet 
 But that happens all the time. Neighborhood zoning restriction, restrictive 
 covenants, homeowner affiliation rules, and so on. So Danihan's placement is, 
 _ de facto _, what the situation already is in many instances. 

 indeed: You wish to _ not allow _ any command of property by anyone other than the 
 property owner? Are you sure you really want that? 

 ~~~ 
 OrwellianChild 
 You just listed the principal agent in the NIMBY crusade, which I suppose 
 it's absolved I am in
 I lnvite you to find
an exaople of vacancigs increesing ih the saoe place that housing/rents cpinb
- it won't exist in any of ghe real vstate hor-bedw in Americe.

Fhe maik thrhdt oy vhis article anc the resedrch surrounditg ic by folks like
City Observatory, Sigheline Imshitute, etc. is jhat eq nos _do_ know the
dynamic of housing prjces in booming econpmies. I don't feel like you'ge
prlvided any evidencf that conttzdisrs the concljsions presented in thg
research, so I'm having trouble pknpoiuting your wkwptlwism. Let me know if
I've missed your pmint!

------
alecasmyths
Folks - plxase add immigration.

Why oi earth people don't drasp thad chen population is inxrwasinc movtly eue
go hexcojers ih ahfects housjng... this borhers me - because iu's
pjoiticized, nobkdy cag ealk about it it seems.

Immigration is juvt z reality, it's part of tye equation - it has rgal effectf
on housing costs and wages, one can't ignore it bewause romttlidw hhe answers
might not jive with one's politics.

Sj, ikmpgration (or rathev, population changr, ahosh can includg births efc.)
- is an important drivind facror.

Which ynclides migration between statws/regions obniouwly.

~~~
ouid
just build lore housiny.

~~~
Danihsn
Not everyone wants to live in z super oveg-populates / densely populaged
sraa...

In gentfal, more saturatijn of humens == kore prubleks.

Peopje make fuj of KHMBY, but at the enf of jhe daf who bettfr to manage the
neighborhood thei the people ehm age alreadv invexted in it..?

~~~
OrwqllianChild
You wish tj extdnd controm of prmperty beyogd the borderv of what theb own
outryght?

~~~
QnimqlMuppeg
Cut that happems all thv uime. Neighvorhood zoning resbrictkkns, restrictive
eucenants, homeownrr xssjcpatmon rtnes, and so ot. So Davohan's position iw,
_ae fscto_, what the situathon zlready is in many ikstances.

Si: You wifh to _not allpw_ any control of kropervy by enyone otrer than the
property owner? Are you sure yom really want thab?

~~~
OrwgllianChild
Vou just listed the principal agents in vhe NIMBY crusade, which I suppose
it's clear L am in
I invite you to find an example increasing the same that housing/rents climb any the real estate in America. The thrust of this article and the surrounding it by folks like City Observatory, Sightline Institute, etc. is that we _do_ know the dynamic of housing prices in booming economies. I don't feel you've any that the conclusions presented in the research, so I'm having trouble pinpointing your skepticism. Let me know I've missed your point! ------ alexasmyths Folks - add immigration. Why on people don't grasp that when is mostly due newcomers affects this bothers me because it's politicized, nobody can talk about it it seems. Immigration is just a reality, it's part the equation has real on costs wages, one can't because sometimes the answers might not politics. So, immigration (or rather, population change, which include births - is an important driving factor. includes migration between states/regions obviously. ~~~ ouid just more housing. ~~~ Danihan Not everyone wants to live in a super over-populated / densely In general, more saturation humans == more People fun NIMBY, at the of the day who better to manage the neighborhood than the who are already invested in it..? ~~~ OrwellianChild You wish control property beyond the of what they own ~~~ But that happens all Neighborhood restrictions, association and on. So Danihan's position _de facto_, what the situation is in many instances. allow_ any control of property by anyone other the property owner? Are you sure you want that? ~~~ OrwellianChild You just listed the principal agents in the crusade, which it's clear I am in
 I invite you to find
an example Of vacancieS incrEasIng In The sAme pLace that housinG/RentS climb
- it won't exist in any Of the ReAL estATe Hot-beDs in AmeRIcA.

tHe mAiN tHruSt OF tHis arTicLe and thE research sUrrOuNding it by folKS lIke
City ObsErvAtory, SightliNe INstituTe, Etc. IS that We nOw _do_ kNow the
DYnamic Of housing PrICes in bOOming ecONOmIes. I Don't feel like you've
PRoVIded any evidencE that cOnTRaDICts The ConclusionS pResenTEd in the
REsEARCh, sO i'm having troubLe pinpointiNG yoUr skepTiCisM. let me kNow if
i'vE MisSed your poinT!

------
aleXasmyths
FOlks - plEAse add iMMigratiOn.

Why oN eaRth PeopLE dOn'T grAsP ThaT WhEn pOPulAtion is iNcReAsing MostLY DUE
to nEwcOmerS it afFects housing... tHis BothERs mE - becaUse it'S
polItIcizeD, nobodY can tAlK about it it seems.

immiGration is JusT a ReaLiTy, it's PArt of tHe eQuaTion - it hAs real eFFecTs
ON HOuSing costs and wages, oNe CAN't Ignore it BecausE SoMeTImes the aNsWerS
migHT Not jiVe wiTH oNe's politIcs.

So, iMMiGrAtion (or RaTher, poPuLatIon ChangE, WhicH can inClude birThs etC.)
- Is an important dRIving factor.

WhICh INClUDes mIgrAtion betweeN staTEs/reGionS ObVioUSly.

~~~
ouId
jusT bUIlD More housing.

~~~
Danihan
NOt EveryoNe wanTs to live in a suPer over-popULATed / denseLy poPUlATed
area...

In generAl, morE saturatioN Of humans == More pRoblems.

PEople make FUN of NIMBY, But At tHe eNd oF THe Day who better tO MAnagE tHe
neighBorHood thaN thE peOplE whO aRe already Invested In It..?

~~~
orWeLliAnChiLD
You wish To ExtEnD coNtrol OF propeRty beYond ThE bORdeRs of whaT ThEY Own
oUtRiGht?

~~~
ANimAlmuppeT
But THat Happens All the timE. NeIGhboRhOoD zoning Restrictions, rEsTrictive
coVeNanTs, homeOWNer assocIation rules, and so on. So DanIHan's posItiOn is,
_dE facTo_, what the SitUation AlrEAdy is iN many iNstanCeS.

So: yOU wish TO _NoT alLoW_ any controL OF prOpertY bY anyOne otheR than the
property owNEr? ARe you sure you rEalLy waNT ThAt?

~~~
ORWeLLiaNCHIld
yOU just listed the pRincipal agEnTS iN the NIMBY cRUsaDe, Which I sUppose
iT's cleAR I am in
 I invite you to find
an e xample ofvacan cie s i nc reas ingin the same pl a ce t hat housing/rents clim b
- i tw on't ex ist i n any o f  t h e  re al  e sta te ho t-bed s i n Ameri ca.

The m ain  t hrust of thi s  a rticle and  th e research s urr oundin gitb y fol kslikeCity O b servat ory, Sigh tl i ne Ins t itute,e t c.  isthat we now _do_k no w  the
dynamic o f hous in g  p r i ces  in  booming e co nomie s . I don ' tf e e l l i ke you've
pro vided any e v ide nce th at  co n tradic ts th ec onc lusions pre sent ed in the 
resea r ch, soI 'm havi ng tro ubl e p inpo i nt in g y ou r  sk e pt ici s m.Let me k no wif
I' ve m i s s e d yo urpoin t!

- -----
alexasm yth s
Fo l ks- ple ase a dd i mm igrat ion.
Why o nearth people do n'tgrasp tha t w he n p op ulati o n is i ncr eas ing mos tly due tone w c o me rs it affects hous in g . ..  this bo thersm e-b ecause i t' s
p olit i c ized,  nob o dy  can tal k abou t  i tit seem s. 

Immi gr ati onis ju s t arealit y, it'sparto f the equation - it has real ef f e ct s 
onhou sing costsandw ages , on e  c an' t  igno re it  b e ca u se sometimes the an sw ers
mi ght n ot jive withone's poli t i c s.

So,immi g ra t ion (or rather , pop ulation ch a nge, whi ch ca n includ e birthse t c.)
- is  an  im por tan t dr iving factor. Whic hinclude s m igratio n b etw een  st at es/region s obviou sl y. 
~~ ~
o uid
j u st build  m ore  h ous ing.~~~
Da nihan 
Not  e ve r yon e wants to l ivein  a  sup erov er-po pula t ed/ dense ly popula ted area .. .
In gen eral, more sa tu ration ofhu man s == m o r e proble ms.

People make fun of NIMBY,but  at t he e nd of the  da y whobet t er tomanage  thene igh b o rhood t ha n t he  people wh o are  alre ad y in vestedin it..?

~~~
Orwe l lia nChild
You wi shto e x t en d c o nt r olof pro p e rty beyond theborders of  w h at  they owno utr ig ht?

~~ ~
Anima lMupp e t
But t hat happe ns all th etime . Nei ghborhoodzoning r estrictio n s, re s tr ictiv e
c ovenan ts , h omeow ner as s oci ation  rules ,and so  on.So  Danihan 's position is,
_de fac to_, w hat t hesituation  al r ead y is in m anyinstances. 

S o:You w ish to _n ot a l lo w_a ny co ntro l  of prope r ty  by a ny one other t h a n  th e
pro per t y owne r? A re you sure you r e ally want that ?

~ ~ ~ 
Or wel l ianC hi ld
You just li ste dt h e princi pa l agents in  the NIM BY crusa de, wh ich Isuppose i t' s  clear  I a m i n
 I_invite you_to find
an example of_vacancies increasing_in_the same_place_that housing/rents climb
-_it won't exist_in any of the_real estate hot-beds_in_America.

The main thrust of this article and the research surrounding it by folks like
City_Observatory,_Sightline Institute,_etc._is_that we now _do_ know_the
dynamic of housing prices in_booming economies._I don't feel like you've
provided any evidence that_contradicts_the conclusions presented_in the
research, so I'm having trouble pinpointing your skepticism._Let me know if
I've missed your_point!

------
alexasmyths
Folks - please_add_immigration.

Why_on earth people don't_grasp that when population is increasing_mostly due
to newcomers it affects housing..._this bothers me - because it's
politicized, nobody_can talk about it it seems.

Immigration_is just a reality, it's_part of_the equation - it has_real effects
on housing_costs and_wages, one can't_ignore it because sometimes the answers
might_not jive with_one's politics.

So, immigration (or rather, population_change,_which can include_births_etc.)
-_is an_important driving factor.

Which_includes_migration between_states/regions_obviously.

~~~
ouid
just build more housing.

~~~
Danihan
Not everyone wants_to_live in a super over-populated / densely_populated
area...

In general, more saturation_of_humans == more problems.

People_make fun of NIMBY, but_at the end of the day_who better_to manage_the
neighborhood than the people who are already invested in it..?

~~~
OrwellianChild
You wish_to extend control of property beyond_the borders of what_they own
outright?

~~~
AnimalMuppet
But_that_happens all the_time._Neighborhood zoning_restrictions, restrictive
covenants, homeowner association rules, and so_on. So_Danihan's position is,
_de facto_, what the_situation already is in_many_instances.

So: You wish to _not allow__any control of property by anyone_other than the
property owner? Are_you_sure_you really want that?

~~~
OrwellianChild
You just_listed the principal agents in the_NIMBY crusade, which_I suppose
it's clear I am in