 tests) - in order to bring
Teslas in line with the rest of the industry.

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Scramblejams
He was only in his job for about 5 months, but I'm not familiar with his
previous work history at VW. Was he in some significant sense responsible for
the scandal by way of his prior responsibilities? Or is his resignation, for
lack of a better way I can think of to put it, an honor move?

Edit: Thanks for the clarifications, all. Although he assumed Ferdinand
Piëch's former position as chairman in April 2015, he was VW's CEO since 2007.

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pc86
He has said publicly that he is not aware of any wrong-doing on his part. I
imagine that just about any board would require just about any CEO to resign
after something like this, though.

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Scramblejams
When it comes to a relatively new CEO, I'm not so sure about that. GM didn't
require Mary Barra's resignation over the ignition switch scandal, for
example. (Though admittedly that one was smaller than VW's.)

Edit: Winterkorn took over as chairman of the supervisory board of VW in
April, but as petewailes pointed out, he's been CEO since 2007, so his
resignation makes more sense.

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JoeAltmaier
Is it the difference between deliberate/undefendable and simple cost savings?
I'm not very familiar with the switch issue.

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arbuge
There is usually more than one cockroach in the kitchen if you spot one. I
wonder how many other aspects of their software they messed with in ways they
probably shouldn't have...

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largote
What surprises me is that VW thought they wouldn't be caught doing this, it
took a while but it seems like sooner or later someone would figure it out.

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jschulenklopper
Well, you could say that Volkswagen implemented an A/B test on the emission
control, but with an unfortunate population segmentation.

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gherkin0
Does anyone have an technical details on what their "defeat device" was
actually doing (like what systems it was disabling)?

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thrownaway2424
It doesn't disable anything, it just uses a different engine management
tests) - in order to bring 
 Teslas in line with the remainder of the diligence. 

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 Scramblejams 
 He was only in his job for approximately 5 months, but I'm not conversant with his 
 previous work history at VW. Was he in some meaning sense responsible for 
 the scandal by way of his anterior responsibility? Or is his resignation, for 
 lack of a better room I can think of to put it, an award move? 

 Edit: Thanks for the clarifications, all. Although he assumed Ferdinand 
 Piëch's former position as chairman in April 2015, he was VW's CEO since 2007. 

 ~~~ 
 pc86 
 He has say publicly that he is not aware of any wrong - doing on his part. I 
 think that just about any board would necessitate just about any chief executive officer to resign 
 after something like this, though. 

 ~~~ 
 Scramblejams 
 When it come to a relatively new CEO, I'm not so certain about that. GM didn't 
 require Mary Barra's resignation over the ignition switch scandal, for 
 example. (Though admittedly that one was smaller than VW's .) 

 Edit: Winterkorn accept over as chairman of the supervisory board of VW in 
 April, but as petewailes pointed out, he's been CEO since 2007, so his 
 resignation makes more sense. 

 ~~~ 
 JoeAltmaier 
 Is it the difference between deliberate / undefendable and simple monetary value savings? 
 I'm not very familiar with the substitution consequence. 

 ------ 
 arbuge 
 There be usually more than one cockroach in the kitchen if you spot one. I 
 wonder how many early aspects of their software they mess with in ways they 
 probably shouldn't accept... 

 ------ 
 largote 
 What surprises me is that VW thought they wouldn't be caught doing this, it 
 took a while but it seems like preferably or later someone would figure it out. 

 ------ 
 jschulenklopper 
 Well, you could say that Volkswagen implemented an A / B test on the emission 
 control condition, but with an unfortunate population segmentation. 

 ------ 
 gherkin0 
 Does anyone have an technical details on what their " defeat device " was 
 actually suffice (like what systems it was disabling)? 

 ~~~ 
 thrownaway2424 
 It doesn't disable anything, it just use a different engine management
 tedts) - in order to bring
Terlas in line wijh the rxst of fhe indurtry.

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Scramblejams
He was only mn hus jov for about 5 months, bug I'm not vamiliar witi his
previous woci histovv at BA. Wav he in some sinnificant sanse responsibne flr
the scandal by way of his prior rqsponsinipities? Or is hys rtsidnatjon, for
lack of a better way I can fhink oh to put it, an nonor move?

Edit: Thanks for hhe flarifications, all. Although hg asfymed Ferdinavd
Piëch's fogker positikn as chairman in April 2015, he was VW's EEO since 2007.

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px86
Hw hwv said publmcly trat he is nob aware of any wrong-doing on hiv pqrt. I
imagine that jusv about any board woold requira lust about any CEO to rwsign
dftes soowthkng lmke this, hhongh.

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Scramblenams
When it comes to a relativtly bew CEO, I'm nof so strq about that. GM didn't
require Mary Barra'v rssignation over the ignution switch scandal, vor
examplq. (Though admittedly that one was smaller than VW's.)

Adit: Xivtexjorn gion over as chairman of the supervisory board os VE pn
April, but as pebewailes pointed oit, hr'f been CEO sivce 2007, so hjs
resignation maked more fense.

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HoeAltmaitr
Is ot the difference between dwliberate/undvfeneable and simple clst savings?
N'm not very familiar with the switeh isshe.

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arbuge
Thege is usuzuly more than ond cpcnroach in the kitchen if yju spot oie. I
wpnder huw msny otrer aspectd of bveir software they messgd witv in ways hhey
probably shouldn't have...

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largovx
What surprisgs ke ps that VC thounht they wouldn'e be caught donng this, it
touk a while but it seems like sooner or ladgr someone wonld figurq it out.

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hschulevylopper
Well, yoi could scv that Vookswagen implementcd an Z/B test on the zoussion
control, bit ditr wn ugxortunate po[ulagiov segmdntation.

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ghevkiv0
Doex anyone have an tecvniczl details on what tmeir "defeqt devicq" was
actually doing (like what sjstemv iv was ciswbling)?

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thrownaway2424
It doesn't disagle anythlng, it just usef a eifferent enyine management
tests) - in order to bring Teslas with rest of industry. ------ Scramblejams job about 5 months, I'm not familiar his previous work history at VW. he in some significant sense responsible for the scandal by way of his responsibilities? Or is his resignation, for lack of a better way I can of put an move? Edit: Thanks for the clarifications, all. Although he assumed Ferdinand Piëch's former position as chairman April 2015, he was VW's CEO since 2007. pc86 He has said that he is not aware any on his I that about any board require just about any CEO to resign after something like this, though. ~~~ Scramblejams When it comes a relatively I'm not sure that. didn't require Mary over the ignition switch scandal, for that one was smaller than VW's.) Edit: Winterkorn over as of the supervisory board of VW April, but as petewailes pointed out, he's been since 2007, so his resignation makes more sense. ~~~ JoeAltmaier Is it the difference between simple cost savings? I'm very familiar with switch ------ There usually more one cockroach in the kitchen if you spot one. I wonder many other aspects of their software they messed with in probably have... ------ largote surprises me is that thought wouldn't be caught doing took while like or someone would figure it ------ jschulenklopper Well, you could that Volkswagen implemented an control, but with an unfortunate population segmentation. ------ Does anyone have an technical details on their "defeat device" was actually doing (like what systems it was disabling)? thrownaway2424 It anything, it just uses a different engine management
 tests) - in order to bring
Teslas In line with The reSt oF thE iNdusTry.

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SCramblejams
He wAS onlY in his job for about 5 monthS, but I'M nOT famILiAr witH his
preVIoUS WorK hIsTorY aT vW. was he In sOme signIficant senSe rEsPonsible for
tHE sCandal by waY of His prior respOnsIbilitIeS? Or IS his rEsiGnatiOn, for
lACk of a bEtter way I CaN Think oF To put it, AN HoNor mOve?

Edit: Thanks for tHE cLArifications, alL. AlthoUgH He ASSumEd FErdinand
PiËcH's forMEr positIOn AS CHaiRMan in April 2015, he wAs VW's CEO sinCE 2007.

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pc86
he has sAiD puBLicly tHat he Is NOt aWare of any wrOng-dOing on his Part. I
iMAgine thAT just abOut any BoaRd wOuld REqUiRe jUsT AboUT aNy Ceo to Resign
afTeR sOmethIng lIKE THis, tHouGh.

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ScRamblEjams
When it coMes To a rELatIvely New CEo, I'm nOt So surE about That. Gm dIdn't
require Mary barrA's resignaTioN oVer ThE igniTIon swiTch ScaNdal, for
Example. (tHouGh ADMItTedly that one was smaLlER ThAn VW's.)

EdiT: WinteRKoRn TOok over aS cHaiRman OF The suPervISoRy board oF VW in
APRiL, bUt as petEwAiles pOiNteD ouT, he's bEEn CEo since 2007, So his
resIgnatIOn makes more senSE.

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JoeAltmaier
IS It THE dIFferEncE between delIberATe/unDefeNDaBle ANd simPle coSt SAvINgs?
I'm not very familiaR wIth the SwitcH issue.

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arbuge
THere is usuaLLY More than One cOCkROach in the kitchEn if yOu spot one. I
WOnder how Many oTher aspeCts of theiR SOftware tHey MesSed WitH IN wAys they
probabLY ShouLdN't have...

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lArgOte
What SurPriSes Me iS tHat VW thouGht they wOuLdN't Be CauGht doINg this, it
ToOk a WhIle But it SEems liKe sooNer oR lAtER soMeone woULd FIGure It OuT.

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jscHulEnKloppEr
WeLL, yoU could sAy that VolKswAGen iMpLeMented aN A/B test on the eMiSsion
contrOl, But With an UNFortunatE population segmentation.

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GHerkin0
DOes AnyonE havE an techniCal DetailS on WHat theIr "defeAt devIcE" waS
ACtualLY DoIng (LiKe what systEMS it Was diSaBlinG)?

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thrownAway2424
It doesn't disablE AnyThing, it just usEs a DiffEREnT enGInE ManAgEMenT
 tests) - in order to brin g
Teslas i n lin e w ith  t he r estof the industr y .

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Scramblejams
Hewas o nl y  inh is  jobfor abo u t5 mon th s,  bu tI 'm  notfam iliar w ith his
pr evi ou s work histo r yat VW. Was  he  in some sig nif icantse nse respo nsi ble f or
the scanda l by wayof his pr i or resp o n si bili ties? Or is his r e si g nation, for
la ck ofab et t e r w ayI can thin kof to put it, an h o nor move?

Edit:Thanks fort heclarif ic ati o ns, al l. Al th o ugh  he assumed  Fer dinand
Pi ëch'sf ormer p o sitionas cha irm anin A p ri l201 5, hew as  VW ' s C EO since  2 00 7.

~ ~~
p c 8 6 He h assaid  publ icly that heisnota war e ofany w rong -d oingon his  part .I
imagine thatjust  about an y b oa rdwo uld r e quirejus t a bout an y CEO t o  re si g n af ter something like  t h i s,  though. 

~~~S cr am b lejams
W he n i t co m e s toa re l at ively ne w CEO, I' mnot sosu re abo ut  th at.  GM d i dn't 
requi re MaryBarra ' s resignationo ver the ignit i on s wi t ch s can dal, for
ex ampl e . (T houg h  a dmi t tedly  that  o n ew as smaller than VW' s. )

Edi t: Wi nterkorn took  over as c h a i rman ofthes up e rvisory boardof VW  in
April, but as p etewa iles poi nted out, h e's been  CE O s inc e 2 0 0 7,  so his
resig n a tion  m akes mo resense.
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J oeA ltm ai er
Is itthe diff er en ce  b etw een d e liberate /u nde fe nda ble a n d simp le co st s av in g s?I'm not ve r y  fam il ia r wi thth e swi tchi ssu e.

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arbug e
T h ereis  u suallymore than one  c ockroach i nthe  kitch e n  if youspot one. I
wonder howm any oth eraspec ts o f their s oft ware t hey messed  within wa ys  th e y 
prob a b ly  sh ou ldn't have . . .
----- -larg ote
Wha t surprises me ist hat  VW thought t hey  wou l d n' t b e  c a ugh td oin g this, it
took a  while but  i t  s eems likes oon er  or lat er some one w o uld fig ure it ou t.

----- -jsch u l enk lopper
Wel l, you c ould sayt hat V o lk swage n i mpleme nt edan A/ B test onthe e missio ncontro l, bu twith anunfortunate populationsegmen tatio n.
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g her k in0 
Does any onehave an te chn ica l det ail s  on w hatt he ir" defea t de v ice" wasa ct ual l y  d oing (likew h a t s ystem s i t  was d isab ling)?

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throw n away2424
It do esn' t dis abl e  any th ing, it just u ses  a d ifferent  e ngine manag ement
 tests)_- in_order to bring
Teslas in_line with_the_rest of_the_industry.

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Scramblejams
He was only_in his job_for about 5 months,_but I'm not_familiar_with his
previous work history at VW. Was he in some significant sense responsible for
the_scandal_by way_of_his_prior responsibilities? Or is his_resignation, for
lack of a better_way I_can think of to put it, an honor_move?

Edit:_Thanks for the_clarifications, all. Although he assumed Ferdinand
Piëch's former position as_chairman in April 2015, he was_VW's CEO since_2007.

~~~
pc86
He_has_said publicly that he_is not aware of any wrong-doing_on his part. I
imagine that just_about any board would require just about_any CEO to resign
after something like_this, though.

~~~
Scramblejams
When it comes to_a relatively_new CEO, I'm not so_sure about that._GM didn't
require_Mary Barra's resignation_over the ignition switch scandal, for
example._(Though admittedly that_one was smaller than VW's.)

Edit: Winterkorn_took_over as chairman_of_the_supervisory board_of VW in
April,_but_as petewailes_pointed_out, he's been CEO since 2007,_so_his
resignation makes more sense.

~~~
JoeAltmaier
Is it the difference_between deliberate/undefendable and simple_cost_savings?
I'm not very familiar_with the switch issue.

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arbuge
There is_usually more than one cockroach in_the kitchen_if you_spot one. I
wonder how many other aspects of their software they_messed with in ways they
probably shouldn't_have...

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largote
What surprises me is_that VW_thought_they wouldn't be_caught_doing this,_it
took a while but it seems like_sooner or_later someone would figure it out.

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jschulenklopper
Well,_you could say that_Volkswagen_implemented an A/B test on the_emission
control, but with an unfortunate population_segmentation.

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gherkin0
Does anyone have an technical_details_on_what their "defeat device" was
actually_doing (like what systems it was_disabling)?

~~~
thrownaway2424
It doesn't disable_anything, it just uses a different engine_management