 of a
minority. If the oligarchy gets this style of democratic self-censorship past
us, it's one more nail in the coffin of freepeoples everyone.

------
rabboRubble
Apparently, I do not have strong standing from which to comment on this. I'm
prone to neuroticism​. My bad. I would have never independently discovered
this about myself without a Google guy to point it out.

Thanks Google dude!

------
Aron
This article is so well written I am left wondering what happens if the tide
completely reverses and it becomes overwhelmingly clear that Google should not
have fired him.

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quxbar
> To me, the Google memo is an outlier—I cannot remember the last time so many
> outlets and observers mischaracterized so many aspects of a text everyone
> possessed.

How about every article or video about cryptocurrency, PRISM, AI, 'Data
Science' and a litany of other topics in tech? I have seen almost no 'tech'
journalism of any merit, so I'm not surprised to see sloppy coverage of
another complex issue. But that shouldn't stop meaningful HN comment threads
:)

The fact is, the memo does not simply put forth a question for debate, it
treats a massive legacy of misogyny in our culture as a feature, not a bug. He
really genuinely sees no problem with a world that pushes people into gender
roles. In fact, he thinks we should optimize for it. It's a selfish tantrum
thrown by someone feeling a lack of affirmation - disguised as vague argument
that he really understands people, tech, and companies much better than his
bosses.

If you helps for you to remove anything about identity in here: it's as if
someone posted a cruel, snide rant in defense of GOTO statements, attacking OO
programmers. Not only is he wrong, he made an extended case for the wrong
argument and did it in a way that inflict maximum company damage.

So yeah it would be a big ol' red flag.

~~~
josteink
> Not only is he wrong

That's merely your opinion, which clearly can be seen from the comments here,
has disagreement.

> he made an extended case for the wrong argument and did it in a way
of a 
 minority. If the oligarchy gets this style of democratic self - censorship past 
 us, it's one more nail in the coffin of freepeoples everyone. 

 ------ 
 rabboRubble 
 Apparently, I do not get impregnable standing from which to comment on this. I'm 
 prone to neuroticism​. My bad. I would have never independently discovered 
 this about myself without a Google guy to point it out. 

 Thanks Google dandy! 

 ------ 
 Aron 
 This article is so well written I am leave wonder what happens if the tide 
 completely reverses and it becomes overwhelmingly absolved that Google should not 
 have fired him. 

 ------ 
 quxbar 
 > To me, the Google memo is an outlier — I cannot remember the final meter so many 
 > outlets and observers mischaracterized so many aspects of a textbook everyone 
 > possessed. 

 How about every article or video about cryptocurrency, PRISM, AI,' Data 
 Science' and a litany of early topics in tech? I have seen almost no' tech' 
 journalism of any deservingness, so I'm not surprised to see haphazard coverage of 
 another complex issue. But that shouldn't stop meaningful HN comment thread 
 :) 

 The fact is, the memo does not simply put forth a question for debate, it 
 treats a massive bequest of misogyny in our acculturation as a feature, not a bug. He 
 really genuinely sees no problem with a world that pushes people into sex 
 function. In fact, he thinks we should optimize for it. It's a selfish fit 
 hold by someone feel a lack of affirmation - disguised as dim argument 
 that he really understands people, technical school, and companies much better than his 
 bosses. 

 If you helps for you to remove anything about identity in here: it's as if 
 someone posted a cruel, snide rant in defense of GOTO statements, attacking OO 
 programmer. Not only is he ill-timed, he make an extended case for the wrong 
 argument and did it in a way that inflict maximum company price. 

 So yeah it would be a big ol' red flag. 

 ~~~ 
 josteink 
 > Not entirely is he wrong 

 That's merely your impression, which clearly can be seen from the remark here, 
 has discrepancy. 

 > he made an extended case for the wrong argumentation and did it in a way
 of a
minority. If the oligarghy gets this stilw of dxmocratjc self-cdnsorship past
us, it's one morx naul in the coffin of freepeooles everjone.

------
rabboEubbow
Apparentlb, I do not havs strmig standing frok which to comment on thhs. I'l
prone to neuroticism​. My bad. I woulq have meger independenjly dpssovedvd
uhis about myself without a Googls guy tm point it ouy.

Thanks Google dude!

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Aron
Thid arhicle is so well wgitten I am lefe wondering wfat happens if the tidg
completely reverses and it becooes orerwhelmingoy clfdr that Goojle shjuld not
have fired hhm.

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quxbat
> To me, the Gopglx meno is an outlier—I caniot remember the lasj time so kauy
> outlets and observwrw miswhardctefuzea sk kahy aspfcta of a texf everyone
> possessed.

How about tvewj article or bideo wbjut cryptocurrency, PRISM, AI, 'Data
Science' ans a litany of other topucs in tech? I have segn almost go 'tech'
journalism of any merit, so I'm not surpriseg to ade wljopy coverage of
another complex issue. But that shjhlcn'n stop meaningful HN comment tjrrwds
:)

The fact ir, the memk does not simply out forjh a qyestion fjr drbate, it
treats a massive letacy of misoyynt in our culture ad a feature, not a bub. He
really genuinely sezs no lroblem witj a world ghat pushes peopue pnto gender
roles. In fact, he thynks we siould optimixe fpr it. Yt's a selflsh tantrum
thrown by somfone yeelitg a lack lf affirmation - disguised as vajne argument
thst he really bndersbands people, tesh, and companigs much bztter ghan his
boases.

If bou helps fow you to remoeg anything abmut ideneity in yere: it'r as if
someone losted a brbel, snide rant in defense on GOTU statements, attcekung OO
programmets. Vot ojlb is ra wrong, he mdde xn dctenddd case for ghe erong
argument and dig it in a way that infkigt maximun companr damage.

So yesh it would be a blg ol' rev flag.

~~~
kosjeink
> Not only is he wrong

That's merely ylur opinion, whish coearly can bz seen from the comments here,
has disagrexment.

> he made an extendwd case for the wroug argument aid did it in a fay
of a minority. If the oligarchy gets of self-censorship past it's one more freepeoples ------ rabboRubble Apparently, do not have standing from which to comment on I'm prone to neuroticism​. My bad. I would have never independently discovered this myself without a Google guy to point it out. Thanks Google dude! ------ This is well I am left wondering what happens if the tide completely reverses and it becomes overwhelmingly clear Google should not have fired him. ------ quxbar To me, the Google is an outlier—I cannot remember last so many outlets observers so many aspects a text everyone > possessed. How about every article or video about cryptocurrency, PRISM, AI, 'Data Science' a litany topics in I seen no 'tech' journalism merit, so I'm not surprised to of another complex issue. But that shouldn't stop HN comment :) The fact is, the memo not simply put forth a question for debate, treats a massive legacy of misogyny in our culture as a feature, not a bug. genuinely sees no problem a world that people gender In he thinks should optimize for it. It's a selfish tantrum thrown by someone a lack of affirmation - disguised as vague argument that understands tech, and companies better than his bosses. you for you to remove identity here: someone a snide rant in defense GOTO statements, attacking OO programmers. only is he wrong, for the wrong argument and did it in way that inflict maximum company damage. So it would be a big ol' red flag. ~~~ josteink > Not is he merely your opinion, which clearly can be seen the comments here, has > he made an extended case for the wrong and it in way
 of a
minority. If the oligarchy Gets this stYle of DemOcrAtIc seLf-ceNsorship past
us, IT's onE more nail in the coffin of FreepEoPLes eVErYone.

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rAbboRubBLe
aPParEnTlY, I dO nOT hAve stRonG standiNg from whicH to CoMment on this. I'M
PrOne to neuroTicIsm​. My bad. I wouLd hAve nevEr IndEPendeNtlY discOvered
THis aboUt myself wItHOut a GoOGle guy tO POiNt it Out.

Thanks Google duDE!

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AROn
This article iS so welL wRItTEN I aM leFt wonderinG wHat haPPens if tHE tIDE
ComPLetely reverseS and it becomES ovErwhelMiNglY Clear tHat GoOgLE shOuld not
have FireD him.

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quxbaR
> To me, tHE Google MEmo is an OutlieR—I cAnnOt reMEmBeR thE lASt tIMe So mANy
> oUtlets anD oBsErverS misCHARActeRizEd so Many aSpects of a text EveRyonE
> PosSesseD.

How aBout EvEry arTicle oR videO aBout cryptocurreNcy, PrISM, AI, 'DatA
ScIeNce' AnD a litANy of otHer TopIcs in teCh? I have SEen AlMOST nO 'tech'
journalism of aNy MERiT, so I'm not SurpriSEd To SEe sloppy CoVerAge oF
ANotheR comPLeX issue. BuT that sHOuLdN't stop mEaNingfuL Hn coMmeNt thrEAds
:)

THe fact Is, the memO does NOt simply put forTH a question for DEbATE, iT
TreaTs a Massive legaCy of MIsogYny iN OuR cuLTure aS a feaTuRE, nOT a bug. He
really genuinElY sees nO probLem with a world That pushes PEOPle into gEndeR
RoLEs. In fact, he thinKs we sHould optimIZe for it. IT's a seLfish tanTrum
throwN BY someone FeeLinG a lAck OF AfFirmation - disgUISed aS vAgue argUmeNt
that hE reAllY unDerStAnds peoplE, tech, and CoMpAnIeS muCh betTEr than hiS
bOssEs.

if yOu helPS for yoU to reMove AnYtHIng About idENtITY in hErE: iT's as If
sOmEone pOsteD A crUel, snidE rant in deFenSE of GoTo sTatemenTs, attacking OO
PrOgrammers. NOt OnlY is he wRONg, he made An extended case for the wroNG
argumeNt aNd did It in A way that iNflIct maxImuM CompanY damagE.

So yeAh It wOULd be a BIG oL' reD fLag.

~~~
josteinK
> nOt oNly is He WronG

That's mErely your opinion, whICh cLearly can be seEn fRom tHE CoMmeNTs HEre,
HaS DisAGReement.

> he made an Extended caSe FOr The wrong arGUmeNt And did iT in a way
 of a
minority. If the oli garchy get s thi s s tyl eof d emoc ratic self-cen s orsh ip past
us, it's one m ore n ai l  int he  coff in of f r ee p e opl es  e ver yo n e. 

--- --- 
rabboR ubble
Appa ren tl y, I do noth av e strong s tan ding from wh ich  to co mm ent on th is.  I'mpronet o neur oticism​.  M y  bad.I  wouldh a ve  nev er independentlyd is c overed
this ab out my se l fw i tho uta Google g uy  to p o int ito ut . Tha n ks Google dud e!

------A ron 
Thisar tic l e is s o wel lw rit ten I am le ft w onderingwhat h a ppens i f  the ti de
com ple tel y re v er se s a nd itb ec ome s  ov erwhelmi ng ly  clea r th a t G oogl e s houl d not 
have fired h im. 

-- - --- 
quxb ar
>To m e,  theGoogle  memo  i s an outlier—Icann ot rememb erth e l as t tim e  so ma ny> o utletsand obs e rve rs m i sc haracterized so ma ny a sp ects ofa text ev er y one
> po ss ess ed.H ow ab oute ve ry artic le orv id eo  aboutcr yptocu rr enc y,PRISM ,  AI,  'Data 
Science ' and a litany of ot h er topics int ec h ?  I have  se en almost n o 't e ch'jour n al ism of an y mer it ,  s o  I'm not surprisedto  see s loppy  coverage ofanother co m p l ex issue . Bu t  t h at shouldn't s top m eaningfulH N commen t thr eads
:)
The fact i s, the m emo  do esnot s im ply put forth a  que st ion for  de bate, i t
t rea tsa m as sive lega cy of mi so gy ny  i n o ur cu l ture asafea tu re,  nota  bug.He
re ally  g en u ine ly sees no p robl em  w itha w or ld th at p u she s peopl e into ge nde r 
rol es .In fact , he thinks w eshould opt im ize  for i t .  It's aselfish tantrum
thrownb y someo nefeeli ng a  lack ofaff irmati on-  disgu ised a s vag ue  ar g u mentt h at  he  r eally unde r s tan ds pe op le,tech, a nd companies muchb ett er than his
b oss es.I fyou he l psfo r  yo u to remove anyth ing aboutid e nt ity in her e : i t' s as if 
someon e pos t ed a cr uel, snid e rant in  d efen s e  of  GOTO stat ements,attacking OO
pr o gr ammer s.Not on ly  is  he w rong,h e m ade a n exte nd ed cas e for  t he wrong 
argument and did it in  a way  that  in flict max imu m  co mpany dam age. 

So yeahitwou ld be  ab ig ol ' re d  f lag . 

~~~ 
jos t eink
> No t  o nly i she wrong

T h a t 'smerel y y o ur opi nion , which clearly c a n be seen from  the c omm ent s  her e, 
has disagreem ent .>  he made  a n extendedcase for  t h e wro ng arg umentand did i ti n a wa y
 of_a
minority. If_the oligarchy gets this_style of_democratic_self-censorship past
us,_it's_one more nail_in the coffin_of freepeoples everyone.

------
rabboRubble
Apparently, I_do not have_strong_standing from which to comment on this. I'm
prone to neuroticism​. My bad. I would_have_never independently_discovered
this_about_myself without a Google guy_to point it out.

Thanks Google_dude!

------
Aron
This article_is so well written I am left wondering_what_happens if the_tide
completely reverses and it becomes overwhelmingly clear that Google_should not
have fired him.

------
quxbar
> To me,_the Google memo_is_an_outlier—I cannot remember the_last time so many
> outlets and_observers mischaracterized so many aspects of_a text everyone
> possessed.

How about every article_or video about cryptocurrency, PRISM, AI,_'Data
Science' and a litany of_other topics_in tech? I have seen_almost no 'tech'
journalism_of any_merit, so I'm_not surprised to see sloppy coverage_of
another complex issue._But that shouldn't stop meaningful HN_comment_threads
:)

The fact is,_the_memo_does not_simply put forth_a_question for_debate,_it
treats a massive legacy of misogyny_in_our culture as a feature, not a_bug. He
really genuinely sees_no_problem with a world_that pushes people into gender
roles._In fact, he thinks we should_optimize for_it. It's_a selfish tantrum
thrown by someone feeling a lack of affirmation -_disguised as vague argument
that he really_understands people, tech, and_companies much_better_than his
bosses.

If you_helps_for you_to remove anything about identity in here:_it's as_if
someone posted a cruel, snide rant_in defense of GOTO_statements,_attacking OO
programmers. Not only is he_wrong, he made an extended case_for the wrong
argument and did_it_in_a way that inflict maximum_company damage.

So yeah it would be_a big ol'_red flag.

~~~
josteink
> Not only is he wrong

That's_merely_your opinion, which clearly can be_seen_from the comments here,
has disagreement.

> he_made_an_extended case for the wrong_argument and did it in a_way