 don’t think I was meant to get a giggle out of this. Can you explain using
other words? Of course a painted surface isn’t bare. It’s got paint on it.

Did you mean it’s not aluminum? Or a different grade?

~~~
handedness
Thanks, I laughed at it myself, in hindsight. I should have stipulated
"underneath" and likely appended an "if you follow...".

Yes, well, they may either be materials that have other surface
textures/coatings/treatments/finishes that aren't conducive to polishing, or
they may be other metals, or non-metallic composites (can't put aluminum over
a radar, for example), and so on.

TL;DR: The painted surfaces are generally instances in which polished aluminum
won't really work, for a variety of reasons.

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AWildC182
Interesting approach and hugely useful if practical, though it bears
mentioning that the leading edges on aircraft experience a fair amount of
abrasion from dust, debris, and insects. I wonder how long this treatment
would be effective for in a real world environment

~~~
jcims
Super important question, first thing that came to mind. How would you even
test it for efficacy? Just look for ice building up and say 'welp, time for
refinish?'

~~~
colechristensen
There are wind tunnels for testing icing behaviors, not too hard to do an
accelerated aging test and come up with standard procedures.

~~~
AWildC182
Could be easier said than done. There are lots of edge cases that could become
a problem in real use. Stuff like surface contamination from various fluids or
environmental factors.

~~~
dmurray
Do 90% of your testing in the wind tunnel, and sanity check your results by
flying it for real.

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forkexec
If it can be manufactured for reasonable cost, effectiveness and sensible
power consumption, seems like a fit for small aircraft, fighter jets and any
aircraft that don't have deicing boots or anti-ice systems.

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AWildC182
Anyone with a better background, are micro surface features required for this
kind of thing or could teflon/rain-x type chemical coatings create a more

do n’t think I was meant to get a giggle out of this. Can you explain use 
 early words? Of course a paint airfoil is n’t bare. It ’s got rouge on it. 

 Did you intend it ’s not aluminum? Or a different grade? 

 ~~~ 
 handedness 
 Thanks, I laughed at it myself, in hindsight. I should have stipulated 
 " underneath " and probably appended an " if you follow... ". 

 Yes, well, they may either be materials that have early surface 
 textures / coating / treatments / finishes that aren't conducive to polish, or 
 they may be other metals, or non - metallic composites (can't arrange aluminum over 
 a radar, for example), and so on. 

 TL;DR: The painted surface are generally instances in which polished aluminum 
 won't really work, for a variety show of reasons. 

 ------ 
 AWildC182 
 Interesting approach and hugely useful if practical, though it bears 
 mentioning that the leading edges on aircraft experience a fair amount of 
 abrasion from dust, debris, and insects. I wonder how long this treatment 
 would be effective for in a real world environment 

 ~~~ 
 jcims 
 Super significant question, first matter that come to beware. How would you even 
 test it for efficacy? Just look for ice building up and say' welp, time for 
 refinish?' 

 ~~~ 
 colechristensen 
 There constitute wind tunnels for testing icing behaviors, not too arduous to do an 
 accelerated aging test and derive up with standard procedures. 

 ~~~ 
 AWildC182 
 Could be easier suppose than suffice. There are lots of edge subject that could become 
 a problem in real use. material like surface contaminant from various fluids or 
 environmental factors. 

 ~~~ 
 dmurray 
 Do 90% of your testing in the wind instrument tunnel, and sanity check your consequence by 
 flying it for actual. 

 ------ 
 forkexec 
 If it can be manufactured for fair cost, effectiveness and sensible 
 exponent consumption, seems like a burst for small aircraft, champion jets and any 
 aircraft that don't have deicing boots or anti - ice systems. 

 ------ 
 AWildC182 
 Anyone with a better background, are micro surface features required for this 
 kind of thing or could teflon / rain - ten type chemical coatings produce a more
 doj’t think I was meant to net a giggle out of thiv. Can gou explxin using
other words? Of courde a paunted surface isn’t bard. It’s got paint ob it.

Vid you mean it’s not aluminum? Kv a dnfherent grade?

~~~
hancedness
Thatks, I laughed dt ic myself, in hindsight. I should have ftipulayef
"underneath" anq lilqly ziptnded an "if you follow...".

Yes, well, thsy may tither be materialx that have other surface
tfxtuges/coatings/treatmejts/finishes thae aren't conduzive to polishing, or
thgy may be other metals, or non-metxllic compositew (xan'h put aluminnm oveg
a radar, for cqample), dnd so pn.

TL;DR: The paikted vurdaces are generally iistances in which pojished algmnnum
won't really work, doe a vdriedy ow rexsohs.

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EWimdC182
Intfreating apprkach and hutely useful if pracuicwo, though it bsars
megtyoning that the leading edges on aircraxt sxperience a fair amounr of
abrasion from dusj, debris, agd insects. I wonder how long this treatment
would te efheztirc wir in a real world environment

~~~
jcims
Super importwht qlestion, first thikg that came to mimd. Hpr would you exen
tesc if for efficacy? Jush look sor ixe buildigg ul and say 'welp, time for
refibish?'

~~~
colechrifrensen
There are wiud tunnels fur tgsting icing behaviors, not tou hadd to do an
wcceleratsa aging test and coke up with standard procedurqs.

~~~
AWildC182
Ciuld be easker xaid tran done. Tjere are lots of edge cades tkat cmuld becomf
a problem in real use. Stuff like surface conjamhnanion from varipus fluids or
qnvironmental yactors.

~~~
diurrah
Do 90% of yolr testinj in the winq tunnel, and vwnity check bour resujts vy
flting it wor real.

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forkexrc
If it ccu be manudactured for reasokable dost, effectivenzrw and sensible
ppwef cjndukpehon, seems line a fig for rmall aircrcfg, fibhter jets and any
aiscrart that don't have celcing boojs or anty-ice systems.

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AEildC182
Anyone with a bettxr bacygroumd, wre micro surface features reqhired for thls
kind of thigg ov coold teflon/rcin-x type chemical coatings create a morx

don’t think I was meant to get out this. Can explain using other surface bare. It’s got on it. Did mean it’s not aluminum? Or a grade? ~~~ handedness Thanks, I laughed at it myself, in hindsight. I should stipulated "underneath" and likely appended an "if you follow...". Yes, well, they may be that other textures/coatings/treatments/finishes that aren't conducive to polishing, or they may be other metals, or non-metallic composites (can't aluminum over a radar, for example), and so TL;DR: The painted surfaces generally instances in which polished won't work, for variety reasons. AWildC182 Interesting approach hugely useful if practical, though it bears mentioning that the leading edges on aircraft experience a fair of abrasion debris, and I how this treatment would for in a real world environment important question, first thing that came to mind. would you test it for efficacy? Just look ice building up and say 'welp, time for ~~~ colechristensen There are wind tunnels for testing icing behaviors, not too hard to do aging test and come with standard procedures. AWildC182 be said done. There lots of edge cases that could become a problem in real Stuff like surface contamination from various fluids or environmental factors. Do of your testing the wind tunnel, and check results by flying it ------ If manufactured reasonable effectiveness and sensible power seems like a fit for aircraft, fighter jets and deicing boots or anti-ice systems. ------ AWildC182 Anyone a better background, are micro surface features for this kind of thing or could teflon/rain-x type chemical coatings create more
 don’t think I was meant to get a gIggle out of This. CAn yOu eXpLain UsinG
other words? Of cOUrse A painted surface isn’t barE. It’s gOt PAint ON iT.

Did yOu mean iT’S nOT AluMiNuM? Or A dIFfErent GraDe?

~~~
handeDness
ThankS, I lAuGhed at it myseLF, iN hindsight. i shOuld have stipUlaTed
"undErNeaTH" and lIkeLy appEnded aN "If you fOllow...".

Yes, wElL, They maY Either bE MAtEriaLs that have other suRFaCE
textures/coatiNgs/treAtMEnTS/FinIshEs that aren'T cOnducIVe to polIShING, Or
tHEy may be other mEtals, or non-mETalLic comPoSitES (can't pUt aluMiNUm oVer
a radar, foR exaMple), and so On.

TL;DR: tHe paintED surfacEs are gEneRalLy inSTaNcEs iN wHIch POlIshED alUminum
woN't ReAlly wOrk, fOR A VArieTy oF reaSons.

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AwildC182
InterestIng ApprOAch And huGely uSefuL iF pracTical, tHough It Bears
mentioning That The leadinG edGeS on AiRcrafT ExperiEncE a fAir amouNt of
abrASioN fROM DuSt, debris, and insects. i wONDeR how long This trEAtMeNT
would be EfFecTive FOR in a rEal wORlD environMent

~~~
jcIMs
suPer impoRtAnt queStIon, FirSt thiNG thaT came tO mind. How Would YOu even
test it foR Efficacy? Just lOOk FOR iCE buiLdiNg up and say 'wElp, tIMe foR
refINiSh?'

~~~
cOLechrIstenSeN
thERe are wind tunnels for TeSting iCing bEhaviors, not toO hard to do aN
ACCelerateD agiNG tESt and come up witH stanDard procedURes.

~~~
AWildc182
CoulD be easieR said than DONe. There aRe lOts Of eDge CASeS that could becOME
a prObLem in reAl uSe. Stuff LikE suRfaCe cOnTaminatioN from varIoUs FlUiDs oR
enviROnmental FaCtoRs.

~~~
DmuRray
DO 90% Of your TestiNg in ThE wINd tUnnel, anD SaNITy chEcK yOur rEsuLtS by
flYing IT foR real.

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foRkexec
If iT caN Be maNuFaCtured fOr reasonable cOsT, effectiveNeSs aNd sensIBLe
power cOnsumption, seems like a fit FOr small AirCraft, FighTer jets anD anY
aircrAft THat don'T have dEicinG bOotS OR anti-ICE sYstEmS.

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AWildC182
AnyONE wiTh a beTtEr baCkgrounD, are micro surface feATurEs required for ThiS
kinD OF tHinG Or COulD tEFloN/RAin-x type chemicaL coatings cReATe A more

 don’t think I was meant t o get a gi ggleout  of  t his.  Can  you explain u s ingother words? Of course  a pa in t ed s u rf ace i sn’t ba r e. I t’s  g ot  pa in t  o n it. 

D id youmean it’snot  a luminum? Ora  d ifferent g rad e?

~~~
hand edn ess
Th an ks, I lau ghe d atit mys e lf, in  hindsigh t. I shou l d haves t ip ulat ed
"underneath" a n dl ikely appended  an "i fy ou f oll ow. ..".

Yes,  w ell,t hey may ei t h e r b e  materials th at have oth e r s urface 
t ext u res/co ating s/ t rea tments/fini shes  that are n't co n ducivet o polis hing,orthe y ma y  b eoth er met a ls , o r  no n-metall ic  c ompos ites ( c a n'tput  alu minum  over
a radar , f or e x amp le),and s o on .
TL;D R: The  pain te d surfaces aregene rally ins tan ce s i nwhich polish edalu minum
w on't re a lly  w o r k ,for a variety of r ea s o ns .

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AWil d C1 82 Interest in g a ppro a c h and  hug e ly  usefulif pra c ti ca l, thou gh  it be ar s
m ent ionin g  tha t theleadingedges on aircraft ex p erience a fai r  a m o un t  ofabr asion fromdust ,  deb ris, an d i n sects . I w on d er how long this treat me nt
wou ld be  effective fo r in a rea l w orld env iron m en t 

~~~
jcims
Su per i mportant q u estion,first  thing t hat camet o  mind. H owwou ldyou e ve n
test it for e ffic ac y? Just  lo ok forice  bu ild ing  u p and say  'welp,ti me  f or 
re finis h ?'

~~~co lec hr ist ensen Thereare w indtu nn e lsfor tes t in g icin gbe havi ors ,not t oo h a rdto do a n
acceler ate d  agi ng  t est and  come up with  s tandard pr oc edu res.
~ ~ ~
AWildC 182
Could be easier sai d  than d one . The re a re lots o f e dge ca ses that c ould b ecome 
a  pr o b lem i n re alus e. Stuff l i k e s urfac econt aminati on from various fl u ids  or
environme nta l fa c t or s.~~ ~ 
dm ur r ayD o  90% of your te sting in t he wi nd tunnel, and  s anity c heck yo ur re s ults by 
flying i t for rea l. 

-- - - --forkexec
I f it can  be manuf a cture d  f or re aso nableco st,  effe ctiven e ssand s ensibl epowerconsu mp tion, se ems like a fit for smal l airc raft,  fi ghter jet s a n d a ny
aircra ft t hat don'thav e d eicin g b o ots o r an t i- ice syste ms.------
AW i ld C18 2 An yone with a b e tte r bac kgr o und, a re m icro surface feat u res required f or t h i s
k ind of t hi ng or could te flo n/ r a in-x typ echemical co atings c re a te amore

 don’t_think I_was meant to get_a giggle_out_of this._Can_you explain using
other_words? Of course_a painted surface isn’t_bare. It’s got_paint_on it.

Did you mean it’s not aluminum? Or a different grade?

~~~
handedness
Thanks, I laughed at_it_myself, in_hindsight._I_should have stipulated
"underneath" and likely_appended an "if you follow...".

Yes,_well, they_may either be materials that have other surface
textures/coatings/treatments/finishes_that_aren't conducive to_polishing, or
they may be other metals, or non-metallic composites_(can't put aluminum over
a radar, for_example), and so_on.

TL;DR:_The_painted surfaces are generally_instances in which polished aluminum
won't really_work, for a variety of reasons.

------
AWildC182
Interesting_approach and hugely useful if practical, though_it bears
mentioning that the leading edges_on aircraft experience a fair_amount of
abrasion_from dust, debris, and insects._I wonder how_long this_treatment
would be effective_for in a real world environment

~~~
jcims
Super_important question, first_thing that came to mind. How_would_you even
test it_for_efficacy?_Just look_for ice building_up_and say_'welp,_time for
refinish?'

~~~
colechristensen
There are wind tunnels for_testing_icing behaviors, not too hard to do_an
accelerated aging test and_come_up with standard procedures.

~~~
AWildC182
Could_be easier said than done._There are lots of edge cases_that could_become
a problem_in real use. Stuff like surface contamination from various fluids or
environmental_factors.

~~~
dmurray
Do 90% of your testing in_the wind tunnel, and_sanity check_your_results by
flying it_for_real.

------
forkexec
If it_can be manufactured for reasonable cost, effectiveness_and sensible
power_consumption, seems like a fit for_small aircraft, fighter jets_and_any
aircraft that don't have deicing boots_or anti-ice systems.

------
AWildC182
Anyone with a better_background, are micro surface features_required_for_this
kind of thing or could_teflon/rain-x type chemical coatings create a_more
