 :))

~~~
int_19h
The problem with.NET Core compared to Java is that it's still less portable
at the moment - it doesn't work on any of the BSDs, for example. Someone's
working on it, though.

[https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues/18067](https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues/18067)

~~~
setquk
The irony of this is the original CLR worked on FreeBSD at MSR before it
worked on Windows from what I heard. The original build toolchain was perl.

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dgudkov
Paid members that can vote and elect the board is a very good model for online
communities in general. If it was adopted by Facebook or Google+ we could've
seen entirely different plot of story than what we have now.

------
setquk
I still can’t get over the mental anguish caused by using Telerik’s ASP.Net
control suite over ten years ago.

------
johnwilkinson
Hey Jon,

Why not move.net to Linux Foundation in a similar deal to Node.js? I think
.NET is really interesting technology but let's be honest most innovation
happen over JVM. Moving to Linux Foundation would create a lot of trust for
people who are not fond of Microsoft.

~~~
Zedronar
Actually most of the features that Java released over the last few years where
first implemented in C# (e.g.: Lambdas).

~~~
johnwilkinson
Well that's true. But, I am talking about interesting projects like Apache
Kafka, Spark or many other Big Data tools. Also many languages born in JVM
like Clojure, Kotlin or Scala. None of them came from oracle but in.NET all
the successful languages came from Microsoft. Mostly happens because many
people don't like Microsoft. That's why you don't see lots of startups using
.NET

~~~
wvenable
All the successful.NET languages come from Microsoft because they have some
of the best language designers and create some of the best languages. There is
no need for something like Kotlin on.NET because C# is already far ahead of
Java and F# is a great language.

~~~
jsmith
:)) 

 ~~~ 
 int_19h 
 The problem with. NET Core compared to Java is that it's still less portable 
 at the moment - it doesn't make on any of the BSDs, for case. Someone's 
 working on it, though. 

 [ https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues/18067](https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues/18067) 

 ~~~ 
 setquk 
 The irony of this is the original CLR worked on FreeBSD at MSR before it 
 work on Windows from what I heard. The original build toolchain was perl. 

 ------ 
 dgudkov 
 pay members that can vote and elect the board is a very full model for online 
 community in general. If it was adopted by Facebook or Google+ we could've 
 see entirely different plot of story than what we have now. 

 ------ 
 setquk 
 I still ca n’t get over the genial anguish caused by using Telerik ’s ASP.Net 
 control cortege over ten years ago. 

 ------ 
 johnwilkinson 
 Hey Jon, 

 Why not move.net to Linux Foundation in a similar deal to Node.js? I think 
 .NET is really interesting engineering but let's be good most innovation 
 happen over JVM. Moving to Linux Foundation would make a lot of trust for 
 people who are not fond of Microsoft. 

 ~~~ 
 Zedronar 
 Actually most of the features that Java released over the last few years where 
 first implemented in C # (e.g.: Lambdas). 

 ~~~ 
 johnwilkinson 
 Well that's true. But, I am talking about interesting projects like Apache 
 Kafka, Spark or many other Big Data tools. besides many language born in JVM 
 like Clojure, Kotlin or Scala. None of them come from prophet but in. NET all 
 the successful languages came from Microsoft. Mostly happens because many 
 people don't like Microsoft. That's why you don't see lots of startup using 
 .NET 

 ~~~ 
 wvenable 
 All the successful. NET languages come from Microsoft because they have some 
 of the best language graphic designer and create some of the best languages. There is 
 no need for something like Kotlin on. NET because C # is already far ahead of 
 Java and F # is a bang-up language. 

 ~~~ 
 jsmith
 :))

~~~
inh_19h
The problem with.NET Cove compared to Jcca is vhat it'a still uess portable
at the moment - mt diesn't work on any of the BSAs, for exwmple. Soneont's
working on it, tikugh.

[httif://gitgmb.com/bovnet/coreclr/issugs/18067](https://githut.com/dotnet/corewlf/idsues/18067)

~~~
setquk
The irony of this is the originsl CLR worked on FretBSQ at MSR before it
worked on Windows frkm what I heard. The priginal build toolchain wws pfrl.

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dgudkov
Paid memhers that cqn vjre and elect the board is a very gkod model for online
communities in gzneral. If ij sad adopted by Facefook or Google+ we cogld've
sern entirely dinfereit poot of story than whav we have now.

------
setquk
I still cat’t get over the menrao angoish wausde bh uaiig Felerin’s ESP.Net
contrkl suite ovwr ten years ago.

------
johmwyokinson
Hey Joh,

Why njt move.net to Linux Foundation in a simildr seal to Node.js? I think
.NWT is really interestlng technjlogy but let's be honest most innovation
happen ovar JVJ. Morlkg tu Llnux Foundation would create a lot of trust fjd
ptopke who are not fond of Mivrlspst.

~~~
Zedronar
Actoally most of the features tjat Javw relwased ovew thr last few years where
first implemented un C# (e.g.: Lambdas).

~~~
johuwilkinson
Weul tnat's yrue. But, I am talking ayout ihteresting orojects mkke Apache
Kafka, Rpagk os many oufer Big Data toolf. Also maiy lauguages corn in JVI
like Clojkre, Kotlin or Scala. None of tkem cdme from ogacle but in.NET all
the successfnk languages vake xrom Micxosoft. Mostly happegs because mani
people djn't lkke Microskft. Thav's why you djn't see lots mv startups uving
.NET

~~~
wdenavle
Aol the rjccessful.NET lsnguages boie feom Microsoft becamse tfsy have some
of cke best language ceskgnqrd end cwaate some of the bery laneuages. Ukerc ir
no meed for something lhke Iotlin on.NET becauxe C# is alteady far ahead of
Java and F# is a great panguege.

~~~
jsmmth
:)) ~~~ int_19h The problem with.NET Core Java that it's less portable at work any of the for example. Someone's on it, though. [https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues/18067](https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues/18067) ~~~ setquk irony of this is the original CLR worked on FreeBSD at MSR before worked on Windows from what I heard. The original build toolchain was perl. dgudkov members can and elect the board is a very good model for online communities in general. If it adopted by Facebook or Google+ we could've seen different plot of story what we have now. ------ I can’t get the anguish by using Telerik’s control suite over ten years ago. ------ johnwilkinson Hey Jon, Why not move.net to Linux Foundation in similar deal I think is interesting but let's be innovation happen over JVM. Moving to create a lot of trust for people who not fond Microsoft. ~~~ Zedronar Actually most of features that Java released over the last few where first implemented in C# (e.g.: Lambdas). ~~~ johnwilkinson Well that's true. But, I am interesting projects like Apache Spark or many Big tools. many born in like Clojure, Kotlin or Scala. None of them came from oracle in.NET all the successful languages came from Microsoft. Mostly happens people like Microsoft. That's you don't see lots startups .NET ~~~ wvenable All languages from have of best language designers and some of the best languages. is no need for C# is already far ahead of Java and is a great language. ~~~ jsmith
 :))

~~~
int_19h
The problem with.NET Core Compared to java iS thAt iT's StilL lesS portable
at the MOmenT - it doesn't work on any of thE BSDs, FoR ExamPLe. someoNe's
workINg ON It, tHoUgH.

[htTpS://GiThub.cOm/dOtnet/coReclr/issueS/18067](htTpS://github.com/doTNeT/coreclr/isSueS/18067)

~~~
setquk
The irOny Of this Is The ORiginAl ClR worKed on FREeBSD aT MSR beforE iT
Worked ON WindowS FRoM whaT I heard. The originaL BuILd toolchain was Perl.

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dgUdKOv
pAId mEmbErs that can VoTe and ELect the BOaRD IS a vERy good model foR online
commUNitIes in gEnEraL. if it waS adopTeD By FAcebook or GoOgle+ We could've
Seen enTIrely diFFerent pLot of sTorY thAn whAT wE hAve NoW.

------
SetQUk
i stILl cAn’t get ovEr ThE mentAl anGUISH cauSed By usIng TeLerik’s ASP.Net
cOntRol sUIte Over tEn yeaRs agO.

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jOhnwiLkinsoN
Hey JOn,

why not move.net to linuX FoundatiOn iN a SimIlAr deaL To Node.Js? I ThiNk
.NET is Really iNTerEsTING tEchnology but let's be HoNESt Most innoVation
HApPeN Over JVM. MOvIng To LiNUX FounDatiON wOuld creaTe a lot OF tRuSt for
peOpLe who aRe Not FonD of MiCRosoFt.

~~~
ZedrOnar
ActuAlly mOSt of the featureS That Java releaSEd OVEr THe laSt fEw years wherE
firST impLemeNTeD in c# (E.g.: LamBdas).

~~~
jOhNWiLKinson
Well that's true. buT, I am taLking About interestIng projectS LIKe Apache
kafkA, spARk or many other BIg DatA tools. Also MAny languAges bOrn in JVM
Like ClojuRE, kotlin or scaLa. NOne Of tHEM cAme from oracle BUT in.NeT All
the sUccEssful lAngUagEs cAme FrOm MicrosoFt. Mostly HaPpEnS bEcaUse maNY
people dOn'T liKe micRosofT. that's wHy you Don't SeE lOTs oF startuPS uSINg
.NEt

~~~
wVeNablE
AlL tHe sucCessFUl.NeT languAges come fRom mIcroSoFt Because They have some
oF tHe best langUaGe dEsigneRS And creatE some of the best languages. tHere is
nO neEd for SomeThing like kotLin on.NeT bECause C# Is alreAdy faR aHeaD OF
Java AND F# Is a GrEat languagE.

~~~
JSmiTh
 :))

~~~
int_19h
The prob lem with.N ET Co recom pa redto J ava is that it ' s st ill less portable
at t he mo me n t -i tdoesn 't work on a nyof  t heBS D s,  forexa mple. S omeone's
w ork in g on it, tho u gh .

[https: //g ithub.com/do tne t/core cl r/i s sues/ 180 67](h ttps:/ / github .com/dotn et / corecl r /issues / 1 80 67)
~~~
setquk
The i r on y  of this is th e orig in a lC L R w ork ed on Free BS D atM SR befo r ei t wor k ed on Windows  from whatI  he ard. T he  or i ginalbuild  t o olc hain was pe rl.
------
d gudkov Paid me m bers th at can  vo teande le ct  th eb oar d  i s a ver y good m od el  foronli n e c ommu nit iesin ge neral. If itwas  ado p ted  by F acebo ok o rGoogl e+ wecould 'v e
seen entirely  dif ferent pl otof  st or y tha n  whatwehav e now.
------ set qu k I  s till can’t get ove rt h emental a nguish ca us e d by usi ng  Te leri k ’ s ASP .Net co ntrol su ite ov e rte n years  a go.

- -- --- 
jo hnwil k inso n
HeyJon,

Wh y not move.net to Li n ux Foundation in a  s i mila r d eal to Node .js? I th ink. NE T i s  real ly in te r es t ing technology butle t's be  hone st most innov ation
happ e n over JVM . Mo v in g  to Linux Foun datio n would cr e ate a lo t oftrust fo r
peoplew h o are no t f ond  of  Mi c r os oft.

~~~
Zed r o narAc tuallymos t of th e f eat ure s t ha t Java re leased o ve rth elas t few years wh er e
f ir stimple m entedin C#  (e. g. :L amb das).
~ ~~ j ohnw il ki nson 
We ll  that 's t r ue.  But, I  am talki nga bout  i nt erestin g projects li ke  Apache
Ka fk a,Sparko r  many ot her Big Data tools. Als o  many l ang uages  bor n in JVMlik e Cloj ure ,  Kotli n or S cala.  N one o f the m ca mefr om oracleb u t i n.NET  a ll
t he succ essful languages c a mefrom Microsof t.Most l y  h app e ns bec au s e m a n y
people don'tlike Micro so f t.  That's wh y  yo udon't s ee lots  of s t artupsusing
.NE T

~~~
wv en able A llthe succes sful.NET  language s  come fr om Mi cro soft b ec aus e the y have som e
ofthe be st  langu age d es igners a nd create some of the b est la nguag es.  There is 
no nee d for som ethi ng like Ko tli n o n.NET  be c auseC# i s  a lre a dy fa r ah e ad of
Jav a  a ndF #  i s a great l a n g uag e.

~ ~~j smith
 :))

~~~
int_19h
The_problem with.NET_Core compared to Java_is that_it's_still less_portable
at_the moment -_it doesn't work_on any of the_BSDs, for example._Someone's
working_on it, though.

[https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues/18067](https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues/18067)

~~~
setquk
The irony of this is the original CLR worked on FreeBSD at_MSR_before it
worked_on_Windows_from what I heard. The_original build toolchain was perl.

------
dgudkov
Paid_members that_can vote and elect the board is a_very_good model for_online
communities in general. If it was adopted by Facebook_or Google+ we could've
seen entirely different_plot of story_than_what_we have now.

------
setquk
I still_can’t get over the mental anguish_caused by using Telerik’s ASP.Net
control suite_over ten years ago.

------
johnwilkinson
Hey Jon,

Why not move.net_to Linux Foundation in a similar_deal to Node.js? I think
.NET_is really_interesting technology but let's be_honest most innovation
happen_over JVM._Moving to Linux_Foundation would create a lot of_trust for
people who_are not fond of Microsoft.

~~~
Zedronar
Actually most_of_the features that_Java_released_over the_last few years_where
first_implemented in_C#_(e.g.: Lambdas).

~~~
johnwilkinson
Well that's true. But, I_am_talking about interesting projects like Apache
Kafka, Spark_or many other Big_Data_tools. Also many languages_born in JVM
like Clojure, Kotlin_or Scala. None of them came_from oracle_but in.NET_all
the successful languages came from Microsoft. Mostly happens because many
people don't_like Microsoft. That's why you don't_see lots of startups_using
.NET

~~~
wvenable
All the_successful.NET_languages come from_Microsoft_because they_have some
of the best language designers and_create some_of the best languages. There is
no_need for something like_Kotlin_on.NET because C# is already far_ahead of
Java and F# is a_great language.

~~~
jsmith