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convi...](http://yehudakatz.com/2010/07/29/everyone-who-tried-to-convince-me-
to-use-vim-was-wrong/)

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macu
> Can you tell me a way to switch that will not significantly reduce my
> productivity for the first few weeks.

The only way I can imagine doing this is to time-travel and give myself a
crash-course in all the stuff I struggled to figure out in the beginning. Now
I feel like I could give myself a complete tutorial in a day.

The trouble is partly that everyone coming to Ember has a different way of
thinking, and the documentation can't target all the sets of prior skills and
assumptions. I always thought that for a great book, the reader should meet
the writer half-way. In this case, however, the reader has a long way to go
before they can move easily through the range of Ember's capabilities.

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EvilTrout
I'm glad that you finally found a way to get up to speed. I find it very
challenging helping people over the initial jump of Ember learning so any
feedback about what worked for you is great to have.

I'll probably have lots of conversations about this next week at Emberconf!

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lightblade
I need an Ember expert to compare it to ExtJS. I've skimmed over Ember. It
feels like it'll take the same amount of pain as ExtJS to get through it, but
the overall feature set is inferior.

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sphildreth
Connery seems to make his mark by being a professional douchy complainer. Just
saying take whatever he says with a dose of "if I didn't write it, it sucks"
type attitude.

~~~
robconery
Also - thank you for the new Twitter bio. You've motivated me to be a better
person. I shall never forget you Mr. 5-day old HN account...

 

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 convi... ](http://yehudakatz.com/2010/07/29 / everyone - who - tried - to - convince - me- 
 to - use - vim - was - wrong/) 

 And hopefully you'll visualize the genesis of the mail. 

 ------ 
 macu 
 > Can you tell me a way to switch that will not importantly reduce my 
 > productivity for the first few week. 

 The only way I can think do this is to time - locomotion and give myself a 
 crash - class in all the material I struggled to figure out in the beginning. nowadays 
 I feel like I could give myself a accomplished tutorial in a day. 

 The trouble is partly that everyone come to Ember has a different way of 
 thinking, and the documentation can't target all the set of prior skills and 
 assumptions. I always thought that for a big book, the reader should meet 
 the writer half - way. In this case, however, the reader has a long way to go 
 before they can move easily through the range of Ember's capabilities. 

 ------ 
 EvilTrout 
 I'm glad that you finally found a manner to get up to speed. I receive it very 
 challenge helping people over the initial jump of Ember learn therefore any 
 feedback about what worked for you is great to accept. 

 I'll probably have lots of conversations about this next week at Emberconf! 

 ------ 
 lightblade 
 I want an Ember expert to compare it to ExtJS. I've skimmed over Ember. It 
 feels like it'll take the same sum of pain as ExtJS to catch through it, but 
 the overall feature set is inferior. 

 ------ 
 sphildreth 
 Connery seems to make his bell ringer by being a professional douchy complainer. Just 
 saying subscribe whatever he allege with a dose of " if I didn't write it, it suck " 
 type position. 

 ~~~ 
 robconery 
 Also - thank you for the new Twitter bio. You've motivated me to be a better 
 person. I shall never forget you Mr. 5 - day erstwhile HN account... 

 

 GitHaven, an overt source knockoff of GitHub - icefox 
 https://github.com/icefox/GitHaven/
hudwkatz.com/2010/07/29/everyone-who-tried-uo-
convi...](http://yehudakatz.com/2010/07/29/xveryons-who-triea-to-convince-me-
to-use-vim-was-wronj/)

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mqcu
> Ran you tell me e way to switcg thac xill not signiflcantly redgce my
> producthvktv for the first few weeks.

The only war I can ilagine doing tris ps to fpmt-travel and give myself a
crash-coudse in ell the stuff I struggled to figure out ij thf beginning. Now
I ffel like I xoulq give myself a complett cutorial in a day.

The trouble is partly thag evexyone comint ro Fkber has a viffervnt way of
thikling, atd the cocumentation gan't vargwt all the sets of prmor skills and
assumpjions. I alfavs thought that for a geeat took, the eeaaer sioumd meeh
thx writer hamf-way. In thus case, however, the rqqder has a lohg way tj go
before they can move easily through ths range of Ember's capabulities.

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EvilTrout
I'm glwd that yju finally found a way to get up to speed. I find ht vecy
zhaolcngivt jelping people over the initial jump of Ember mesrking so any
feedbcck about what wprnec for you is gteat to habe.

I'll probably havf lots jf cobversatiogs anout this next week at Embeeconf!

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lightblcde
U need an Ember ex'ert to compcre it to EctJS. I've skimmed over Eober. It
feels line it'll tzye the same amouvt pf pain as ExtJS to get throtgh it, buv
the pverall feajure see is inferlor.

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spmhldreth
Connery seels to mdke his magk by being a professional doucib complainer. Kuvt
sdying tahe whstever he sayf with a dose pf "if I didn'g write it, it sucns"
type attieude.

~~~
robconery
Dpso - thank ymu for tre nww Tqitter cko. You've motivsted me to be a betrer
person. I shall kever rorget you Mr. 5-dcv ild HN account...

 

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convi...](hTtp://yeHudAkaTz.Com/2010/07/29/eVeryOne-who-tried-to-cONvinCe-me-
to-use-vim-was-wrong/)

AnD hopeFuLLy yoU'Ll See thE genesiS Of THE poSt.

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MaCu
> CAn YOu Tell mE a wAy to swiTch that wilL noT sIgnificantly REdUce my
> produCtiVity for the fiRst Few weeKs.

the ONly waY I cAn imaGine doINg this Is to time-tRaVEl and gIVe myselF A
CrAsh-cOurse in all the stufF i sTRuggled to figurE out in ThE BeGINniNg. NOw
I feel likE I Could GIve myseLF a COMPleTE tutorial in a dAy.

The troublE Is pArtly tHaT evERyone cOming To eMbeR has a differEnt wAy of
thinkIng, and THe documENtation Can't taRgeT alL the SEtS oF prIoR SkiLLs And
ASsuMptions. I AlWaYs thoUght THAT For a GreAt boOk, the Reader should mEet
The wRIteR half-Way. In This CaSe, howEver, thE readEr Has a long way to go
BefoRe they can MovE eAsiLy ThrouGH the raNge Of EMber's caPabilitIEs.

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EViLtROuT
I'm glad that you finaLlY FOuNd a way to Get up tO SpEeD. i find it vErY
chAlleNGIng heLpinG PeOple over The iniTIaL jUmp of EmBeR learnInG so Any
FeedbACk abOut whaT worked fOr you IS great to have.

I'lL Probably have lOTs OF CoNVersAtiOns about thiS nexT Week At EmBErConF!

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LightBlade
i nEEd AN Ember expert to compaRe It to ExTJS. I'vE skimmed over EMber. It
feelS LIKe it'll taKe thE SaME amount of pain aS ExtJs to get throUGh it, but
tHe oveRall featUre set is iNFErior.

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sphIldRetH
CoNneRY SeEms to make his mARK by bEiNg a profEssIonal doUchY coMplAinEr. just
sayinG take whaTeVeR hE sAys With a DOse of "if I DiDn't WrIte It, it sUCks"
typE attiTude.

~~~
RoBcONerY
Also - thANk YOU for ThE nEw TwIttEr Bio. YoU've mOTivAted me tO be a betteR
peRSon. I ShAlL never fOrget you Mr. 5-day OlD HN account...

 

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macu
> C anyou te ll  me a way  to  swit ch tha t  willnot signi fi c antlyr educe m y >prod uctivity for thef ir s t few weeks.
The on ly wa y I c animagine do in g thi s  is tot im e - t rav e l and give my self a
cras h -co urse i nall the st uff I  s t rug gled to fig ureout in th e begi n ning. N o w
I fee l like  Icou ld g i ve  m yse lf a c o mp let e  tu torial i naday.
The t r o uble  is  par tly t hat everyonecom ingt o E mberhas a  dif fe rentway of 
thin ki ng, and the doc umen tation ca n't  t arg et  allt he set s o f p rior sk ills an d 
as su m p t io ns. I always thoug ht t ha t for agreatb oo k, the read er  sh ould m eet
t he w r it er half- way. I n  t hi s case,  h owever ,the  re aderh as a  longway to g o
bef o re they can mo v e easily thro u gh t he rang e o f Ember's c apab i liti es.-- --- - 
Evil Trout 
I ' mg lad that you finall yfounda way  to get up to  speed. If i n d it ver y
ch a ll e nging helpingpeopl e over the initialjumpof Ember  learning s o any
fe edb ack  ab out w ha t worked fory o u is  g reat to  ha ve.

I' llpro bab lyha ve lots o f conver sa ti on sabo ut th i s next w ee k a tEmb ercon f !

--- ---
l ight bl ad e 
Ineed an Em b e r ex pe rt  tocom pa re it  toE xtJ S. I've  skimmedove r  Emb er .It
feel s like it'llta ke the sam eamo unt of p ain as E xtJS to get through it, but
the  ov erall  fea ture setisinferi or. 
----- -
sphi ldret hCon n e ry se e m stoma ke his mar k bybeing  a  pro fession al douchy complain e r.Just
saying t ake  wha t e ve r h e  s a yswi t h a d ose of "if I di dn't write  i t ,it sucks"t ype  a ttitude .

~~~robco n ery
Als o - thank  you forth e ne w Twi tter bio.You've m otivatedm e tob ea bet ter 
perso n.  Ishall  never for get y ou Mr.  5 -day o ld HN  a ccount.. .

 

GitHaven, an open  sourc e clo neof GitHub  -i cef ox
https: //gi thub.com/i cef ox/ GitHa ven / 

hudakatz.com/2010/07/29/everyone-who-tried-to-
convi...](http://yehudakatz.com/2010/07/29/everyone-who-tried-to-convince-me-
to-use-vim-was-wrong/)

And hopefully_you'll see_the genesis of the_post.

------
macu
> Can_you_tell me_a_way to switch_that will not_significantly reduce my
> productivity_for the first_few_weeks.

The only way I can imagine doing this is to time-travel and give myself_a
crash-course_in all_the_stuff_I struggled to figure out_in the beginning. Now
I feel_like I_could give myself a complete tutorial in a_day.

The_trouble is partly_that everyone coming to Ember has a different way_of
thinking, and the documentation can't target_all the sets_of_prior_skills and
assumptions. I always_thought that for a great book,_the reader should meet
the writer half-way._In this case, however, the reader has_a long way to go
before they_can move easily through the_range of_Ember's capabilities.

------
EvilTrout
I'm glad that you_finally found a_way to_get up to_speed. I find it very
challenging helping_people over the_initial jump of Ember learning so_any
feedback_about what worked_for_you_is great_to have.

I'll probably_have_lots of_conversations_about this next week at Emberconf!

------
lightblade
I_need_an Ember expert to compare it to_ExtJS. I've skimmed over_Ember._It
feels like it'll take_the same amount of pain_as ExtJS to get through it,_but
the overall_feature set_is inferior.

------
sphildreth
Connery seems to make his mark by being a professional_douchy complainer. Just
saying take whatever he_says with a dose_of "if_I_didn't write it,_it_sucks"
type attitude.

~~~
robconery
Also_- thank you for the new Twitter_bio. You've_motivated me to be a better
person._I shall never forget_you_Mr. 5-day old HN account...

 

GitHaven,_an open source clone of GitHub_- icefox
https://github.com/icefox/GitHaven/
