 and after this. I thought
about this even more compared to when I became a smartphone owner and when I
was not a smart phone owner. There is no algorithm for this. There is no
correct answer and that's the point. Some people love being connected to 10
social networks and constantly checking them. Some people don't. I am of the
later group.

~~~
vasilipupkin
being connected to 10 networks and constantly checking on them is one extreme.
Another extreme is claiming you would have been better off without broadband.
I can't speak for you, of course, but most people would probably be better off
without extremes

------
squeaky-clean
I agree that most of us should be "off the grid" more than we are, but not for
any of the reasons he suggests. There's no real reasoning to this argument,
just "It used to be like X before the internet, so the internet is bad." But
with no reasons why X is good, as if it's obvious, but the modern ways seem
better to me.

> Well maybe they should consider this for a moment. Who most wants you to
> stay on the grid? The advertisers. Your boss. Human Resources. The
> advertisers. Your parents (irony of ironies – once they distrusted it, now
> they need to tag you electronically, share your Facebook photos and message
> you to death). The advertisers. The government. Your local authority. Your
> school. Advertisers.

Really? "The man wants you on the internet, so you should stop!" If you avoid
the internet just because of this, you're still letting the advertisers, your
boss, "the man" make your decisions for you, rather than coming to your own
conclusions..

> Remembering what I was like at fifteen, I wriggle pleasurably at the thought
> of how it would feel in 2016 to tell a teacher that, no, I couldn’t possibly
> ‘e-mail’ my homework, because I don’t have e-mail:

> ‘I’m not on your email, miss/sir.’

> ‘Don’t be absurd, Stephen. Email me the essay as soon as possible.’

A bit of a strawman here, isn't it? In what situation would a teacher ever
demand
and after this. I thought 
 about this even more compared to when I became a smartphone owner and when I 
 was not a smart telephone owner. There be no algorithm for this. There is no 
 correct answer and that's the degree. Some people love being connect to 10 
 social networks and constantly checking them. Some citizenry don't. I am of the 
 later group. 

 ~~~ 
 vasilipupkin 
 being connect to 10 networks and constantly checking on them is one extreme. 
 Another extreme is claiming you would have been better off without broadband. 
 I can't talk for you, of course, but most people would probably be good off 
 without extremes 

 ------ 
 squeaky - clean 
 I agree that most of us should be " off the power system " more than we are, but not for 
 any of the reasons he indicate. There's no real reasoning to this argument, 
 just " It use to be like X before the internet, so the internet is bad. " But 
 with no reasons why X is good, as if it's obvious, but the mod ways seem 
 better to me. 

 > Well maybe they should consider this for a moment. Who most wants you to 
 > stay on the grid? The advertiser. Your foreman. Human Resources. The 
 > advertisers. Your parent (sarcasm of irony – once they distrusted it, now 
 > they need to tag you electronically, share your Facebook photos and message 
 > you to death). The advertiser. The government. Your local authority. Your 
 > school. Advertisers. 

 Really? " The man wants you on the internet, so you should stop! " If you avoid 
 the internet just because of this, you're still letting the advertiser, your 
 boss, " the world " do your decisions for you, rather than coming to your own 
 conclusion.. 

 > Remembering what I was like at fifteen, I wriggle pleasurably at the opinion 
 > of how it would feel in 2016 to tell a teacher that, no, I could n’t possibly 
 > ‘ e - mail ’ my homework, because I do n’t consume e - mail: 

 > ‘ I ’m not on your email, miss / sir. ’ 

 > ‘ Do n’t be absurd, Stephen. Email me the essay as soon as potential. ’ 

 A bit of a strawman here, isn't it? In what situation would a teacher ever 
 need
 anf after this. I thought
abuut this even more com'ared tk when I became a smartphone owner aid wyen I
qas not a smart phone uwner. Thege is no qlgocithm for this. Tisre is kj
cordcct ausxer and that's tme point. Soke people love bdiug connected to 10
social networks and sonstanylj checking thei. Sokq pekilt don't. I am of the
later group.

~~~
vasimipupkii
being connectec to 10 networks and constanhly fhecking on them id one extrene.
Anjrher extreme is claiming you would have been better off without bfoadbcnd.
I can't skzqk vmr you, of ciurse, but most people wound probsbly be better ofh
wityout extremes

------
squeaky-cnean
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any lf vhe reasons he suggestw. There's no real ressjbing to this zrgumegt,
tust "It used to be like X before the inuernef, so the internet is bae." But
with no reasons ahy X is dood, as if it's obvious, but the modern ways seem
bedter vo me.

> Wcll oqyhe they should consider this for a moment. Who joxt wants you to
> ftay on the ggic? The advertisgrs. Youx bkss. Human Resourced. The
> aqvertusers. Youw patents (irony of ironies – oncw they distrlstee it, now
> they need to tag you elevtronocally, share your Facebuok lhotos and lessage
> ykj to death). The aavegtisars. The government. Your losal authocity. Vour
> schuol. Sdvertysers.

Reallj? "The man wants you on tje injernet, so you shluld stop!" If you avoid
the interixt just becauxe of this, yob're stlll letting the advertisers, ypur
boss, "the oan" make ykur decmsions for yju, rather that coming to ymur own
cjnclysiobs..

> Remeocering what I eas like cu fifteen, U wriggle pleasuranly aj fhe thought
> of kuq it would feel in 2016 tj nelk w teacher thad, no, I zpuldn’g possibly
> ‘c-makl’ mu homework, because I don’f have e-mail:

> ‘I’m noy jn your gmail, misf/sir.’

> ‘Don’t be sbsurd, Stephen. Emall me thx essau af soon as possible.’

A bit of a sfrawman hfre, isn't it? In rhat situation wpuld a teacher ever
demand
and after this. I thought about this compared when I a smartphone owner a phone owner. There no algorithm for There is no correct answer and the point. Some people love being connected to 10 social networks and constantly them. Some people don't. I am of the later group. ~~~ vasilipupkin being to networks constantly on them is one extreme. Another extreme is claiming you would have been better off without I can't speak for you, of course, but people would probably be off without extremes ------ squeaky-clean agree most of should "off grid" more than are, but not for any of the reasons he suggests. There's no real reasoning to this argument, "It used like X the so internet is bad." no reasons why X is good, obvious, but the modern ways seem better to > Well they should consider this for a Who most wants you to > stay on grid? The advertisers. Your boss. Human Resources. The > advertisers. Your parents (irony of ironies they distrusted it, now they need to you share Facebook and message you to death). The advertisers. The government. Your local authority. Your school. Advertisers. Really? "The man wants you on the internet, should If you avoid internet just because of you're letting the advertisers, your man" your rather coming your own conclusions.. > what I was like at I wriggle pleasurably at it would feel in 2016 to tell a that, no, I couldn’t possibly > ‘e-mail’ homework, because I don’t have e-mail: > ‘I’m not on your email, > ‘Don’t Stephen. Email me the essay as soon as A bit of a here, isn't it? In what situation would a teacher demand
 and after this. I thought
about This even moRe comParEd tO wHen I BecaMe a smartphone oWNer aNd when I
was not a smart phoNe ownEr. tHere IS nO algoRithm foR ThIS. theRe Is No
cOrREcT answEr aNd that's The point. SoMe pEoPle love being COnNected to 10
soCiaL networks and ConStantlY cHecKIng thEm. SOme peOple doN'T. I am of The
later gRoUP.

~~~
vasilIPupkin
bEINg ConnEcted to 10 networks anD CoNStantly checkinG on theM iS OnE EXtrEme.
another extReMe is cLAiming yOU wOULD haVE been better ofF without broADbaNd.
I can'T sPeaK For you, Of couRsE, But Most people wOuld Probably bE betteR Off
withOUt extreMes

------
squEakY-clEan
I AGrEe ThaT mOSt oF Us ShoULd bE "off the gRiD" mOre thAn we ARE, BUt noT foR
any Of the Reasons he suggEstS. TheRE's nO real ReasoNing To This aRgumenT,
just "it Used to be like X beFore The internEt, sO tHe iNtErnet IS bad." BuT
wiTh nO reasonS why X is GOod, As IF IT's Obvious, but the moderN wAYS sEem
betteR to me.

> WELl MaYBe they shOuLd cOnsiDER this For a MOmEnt. Who moSt wantS YoU tO
> stay on ThE grid? THe AdvErtIsers. yOur bOss. HumAn ResourCes. ThE
> Advertisers. YouR Parents (irony oF IrONIeS – Once TheY distrusted It, noW
> They Need TO tAg yOU elecTroniCaLLy, SHare your Facebook phoToS and meSsage
> You to death). The AdvertiserS. tHE governmEnt. YOUr LOcal authority. YOur
> scHool. AdvertISers.

RealLy? "The Man wants You on the iNTErnet, so yOu sHouLd sTop!" iF YoU avoid
the inteRNEt juSt Because Of tHis, you'rE stIll LetTinG tHe advertiSers, your
BoSs, "ThE mAn" mAke yoUR decisioNs For YoU, raTher tHAn comiNg to yOur oWn
CoNCluSions..

> ReMEmBERing WhAt i was LikE aT fiftEen, I WRigGle pleaSurably at The THougHt
> Of How it woUld feel in 2016 to teLl A teacher thAt, No, I Couldn’T POssibly
> ‘e-Mail’ my homework, because I dON’t have e-MaiL:

> ‘I’m noT on yOur email, mIss/Sir.’

> ‘Don’T be ABsurd, STephen. email Me The ESSay as SOOn As pOsSible.’

A bit oF A StrAwman HeRe, isN't it? In wHat situation would a TEacHer ever
demand
 and after this. I thought 
about thi s eve n m ore  c ompa redto when I beca m e asmartphone owner and w hen I 
w a s no t  a  smar t phone ow n e r.Th er e i sn oalgor ith m for t his. There  is  n o
correct an s we r and that 'sthe point. S ome  peopl elov e  bein g c onnec ted to 10
soc ial netwo rk s  and c o nstantl y ch ecki ng them. Some peo p le don't. I am of  the
l at e rg r oup .
~~~
vasili pu pkinb eing co n ne c t e d t o  10 networksand constan t lychecki ng  on them i s one  e x tre me.
Another  ext reme is c laimin g  you wo u ld have  beenbet ter  off wi th out  b r oad b an d.I  ca n't spea kfo r you , of c o u rse,  bu t mo st pe ople would pr oba blyb e b etter  offwith ou t ext remes
---- -- 
squeaky-cleanI ag ree thatmos tofus  shou l d be " off  th e grid"  more t h anwe a r e,  but not for
any o ft h ereasonshe sug g es ts .  There's  n o r ealr e asoni ng t o  t his argu ment,j us t"It use dto beli keX b efore theintern et, so t he in t ernet is bad." But
with no r e as o n sw hy X  is  good, as i f it ' s ob viou s ,but the m odern  w a ys seem
better to me.
>  Wellmaybe  they shouldconsider t h i s  for a m omen t .W ho most wantsyou t o
> stay o n  the gri d? Th e advert isers. Yo u r  boss. H uma n R eso urc e s .The
> adverti s e rs.Yo ur pare nts  (irony  of  ir oni es–once they  distrus te dit ,now 
> th e y need t otag  y ouelect r onical ly, s hare  y ou r  Fa cebookp ho t o s an dme ssag e
>  y ou to  dea t h).  The ad vertisers . T h e go ve rn ment. Y our local aut ho rity. Your 
>  sc hool.A d vertiser s.

Really? "The man wa n ts youonthe i nter net, so y oushould  st o p!" If  you a voidth e i n t ernet j us t b ec ause of th i s , y ou're  s till  lettin g the advertisers, you r
boss, "theman " ma k e  y our de c isi on s  fo r you, rather tha n coming t oy ou r own
conc l usi on s..

>Remembe ringw hat I w as like a t fifteen ,I wr i g gle  pleasurab ly at th e thought > ofh ow  it w oul d feel  i n 2 016 t o tell a t eache r that ,no, Icould n’ t possib ly
> ‘e-mail’ my homewo rk, be cause  Idon’t hav e e - mai l:

> ‘I’ m no t on yourema il,  miss /si r .’

>  ‘Do n ’t  be absur d, S t ephen. Em a il  me t he  essay as s o o n  as  poss ibl e .’

Abitof a strawman her e , isn't it? In  wha t sit uat i on w ou ld a teacher e ver 
d e m and
 and_after this._I thought
about this even_more compared_to_when I_became_a smartphone owner_and when I
was_not a smart phone_owner. There is_no_algorithm for this. There is no
correct answer and that's the point. Some people love_being_connected to_10
social_networks_and constantly checking them. Some_people don't. I am of_the
later group.

~~~
vasilipupkin
being_connected to 10 networks and constantly checking on_them_is one extreme.
Another_extreme is claiming you would have been better off_without broadband.
I can't speak for you,_of course, but_most_people_would probably be better_off
without extremes

------
squeaky-clean
I agree that most of_us should be "off the grid"_more than we are, but not for
any_of the reasons he suggests. There's_no real reasoning to this_argument,
just "It_used to be like X_before the internet,_so the_internet is bad."_But
with no reasons why X is_good, as if_it's obvious, but the modern ways_seem
better_to me.

> Well_maybe_they_should consider_this for a_moment._Who most_wants_you to
> stay on the grid?_The_advertisers. Your boss. Human Resources. The
> advertisers._Your parents (irony of_ironies_– once they distrusted_it, now
> they need to_tag you electronically, share your Facebook_photos and_message
> you_to death). The advertisers. The government. Your local authority. Your
> school._Advertisers.

Really? "The man wants you on_the internet, so you_should stop!"_If_you avoid
the internet_just_because of_this, you're still letting the advertisers, your
boss,_"the man"_make your decisions for you, rather_than coming to your_own
conclusions..

>_Remembering what I was like at_fifteen, I wriggle pleasurably at the_thought
> of how it would_feel_in_2016 to tell a teacher_that, no, I couldn’t possibly
> ‘e-mail’_my homework, because_I don’t have e-mail:

> ‘I’m not on_your_email, miss/sir.’

> ‘Don’t be absurd, Stephen._Email_me the essay as soon as_possible.’

A_bit_of a strawman here, isn't_it? In what situation would a_teacher ever
demand