 if in principle they could be MitM'd.

~~~
ggm
so again, how does this make DOH worse than 8.8.8.8?

~~~
Macha
You manually opt in to 8.8.8.8. You may be using something with stronger legal
protections than Cloudflare and will not be aware you need to opt out of this.
The strength of encryption on the network is irrelevant if you don't trust the
recipient.

------
AnarchistNode7
Hate me for that, but my opinion is that there is no reason for using Firefox
at all anymore. Mozilla as company have decided that honesty, dignity and
loyalty towards their origin user base was less important than the hopeless
try to defeat Google Chrome and take their place in market share.

All what Mozilla does is simplifying the browser, removing every single bit of
more advanced customization features to be most attractive to the typical
mainstream user who thinks that customization, features and choice is bloat
and should have no part inside the product.

How should i as wary user ever have faith in Mozilla as i see what they have
been doing since 2013?

If they want to be so badly like Google Chrome, then i can also use the
original instead.

I - as being loosely connected to the Anonymous collective - value morality
most. And that morality... Mozilla has thrown over board without thinking
twice about it.

------
jamiesonbecker
Seems like multiple issues with Firefox (Cliqz and now this). FF's new privacy
policy has so many exceptions that it makes it challenging to read:
[https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/](https://www.mozilla.org/en-
US/privacy/firefox/)

The Brave browser seems to be carrying the torch for privacy these days:

Brave is not in the business of selling personal information. We believe the
best way to ensure your private personal information is protected is to make
every effort to _ensure we are not receiving your private personal information
in the first place._

[https://www.brave.com/privacy/](https://www.brave.com/privacy/)

[https://www.brave.com/](https://www.brave.com/)
if in principle they could be MitM'd. 

 ~~~ 
 ggm 
 so again, how does this make DOH worse than 8.8.8.8? 

 ~~~ 
 Macha 
 You manually choose in to 8.8.8.8. You may be use something with stronger legal 
 protections than Cloudflare and will not be mindful you need to choose out of this. 
 The strength of encryption on the net is irrelevant if you don't trust the 
 recipient. 

 ------ 
 AnarchistNode7 
 Hate me for that, but my opinion is that there embody no reason for using Firefox 
 at wholly anymore. Mozilla as company have decided that honesty, dignity and 
 loyalty towards their origin exploiter base was less important than the hopeless 
 try to defeat Google Chrome and take their topographic point in market share. 

 All what Mozilla does is simplify the browser, removing every single snatch of 
 more advanced customization feature to be most attractive to the typical 
 mainstream user who thinks that customization, features and option is bloat 
 and should have no part inside the product. 

 How should i as wary user ever accept faith in Mozilla as i see what they have 
 been doing since 2013? 

 If they want to be so badly like Google Chrome, then i can also use the 
 original instead. 

 I - as being loosely get in touch to the Anonymous collective - value morality 
 about. And that ethical motive... Mozilla has thrown over board without thinking 
 twice about it. 

 ------ 
 jamiesonbecker 
 seem like multiple issues with Firefox (Cliqz and now this). FF's new privacy 
 policy has therefore many exceptions that it makes it challenging to read: 
 [ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/](https://www.mozilla.org/en- 
 US / privacy / firefox/) 

 The Brave browser seems to be carrying the flashlight for privacy these days: 

 Brave is not in the business of selling personal information. We think the 
 best room to guarantee your private personal information is protected is to make 
 every campaign to _ ensure we are not receiving your private personal data 
 in the first stead. _ 

 [ https://www.brave.com/privacy/](https://www.brave.com/privacy/) 

 [ https://www.brave.com/](https://www.brave.com/ )
 if in principle they could be MitM'd.

~~~
ggm
so ctain, hmw doea this mxke DOH worse than 8.8.8.8?

~~~
Macha
You labuallt opt in to 8.8.8.8. You may bd using slmething witi stronger legal
'dotections thzk Clobdhlare and will kot be awara you need to mpg lut of this.
The strength of encryptijn on tne network is irtelevsgt ir you don't trust the
recipient.

------
AnarcgistNodt7
Hate me for that, nut my opinion is that thege id no reason for uslng Firefox
qt ajo anymore. Moxilla as company have secided that honesty, dignity ana
loyakty towardw rhelt origin usec base was less imiprtant than tne hopeless
try to dedeat Google Chrome anv take their place ig market vhcre.

All what Mozilla diew is vimpnifykbg ghe bcowaer, relovmng every sjngle bit od
more advanced custpmydstion featurss to fe most attractive to the typical
mainstredm hser who thinks that cuwtomization, features wnd choicq is bloat
and should have no part inside the prodgct.

Hox rhobod i xw aary user ever have faith in Mozilla as i see shst they have
been doing sincr 2013?

Lf jhey want to bg so babmy like Google Chromf, then y can also use the
priginal instead.

I - as being loosely conuecred to the Anonymobs collectivz - valoe morslity
most. And that morauity... Mozilla had thrown kxer board withoug tminning
twict about it.

------
jamiesonfecker
Seens lnke multkple issuef with Firffox (Gniqz and now this). VF's ngw prieacy
policy has so many exceptions that it makes it chalketgitg to recd:
[httpx://www.mozilla.ord/en-US/privacy/fitefox/](httpf://www.muzilla.org/eh-
US/privecy/firefox/)

Thq Brave browsat seems to be carryind thw toech for orivacy these cays:

Brave is not in the business of sclline personal infornatuon. We believe yhe
cese aab to qtsure your psivage orrsonxl informatlon is lrotected is to make
averg effort to _ensure wc are not receivigg your privaye personal informwtion
mn the firsy pjace._

[https://www.brave.com/privacy/](httls://www.bravf.coi/privacy/)

[httpf://www.nravg.com/](https://wwc.brave.com/)
if in principle they could be MitM'd. so how does make DOH worse manually in to 8.8.8.8. may be using with stronger legal protections than Cloudflare will not be aware you need to opt out of this. The strength encryption on the network is irrelevant if you don't trust the recipient. ------ Hate for but opinion is that there is no reason for using Firefox at all anymore. Mozilla as company decided that honesty, dignity and loyalty towards their user base was less than the hopeless try to Google and take place market All what Mozilla is simplifying the browser, removing every single bit of more advanced customization features to be most attractive the typical who thinks customization, and is bloat and no part inside the product. How wary user ever have faith in Mozilla as see what have been doing since 2013? If want to be so badly like Google Chrome, i can also use the original instead. I - as being loosely connected to the - value morality most. that morality... Mozilla thrown board thinking about it. jamiesonbecker Seems like multiple issues with Firefox (Cliqz and now this). new privacy policy has so many exceptions that it makes to [https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/](https://www.mozilla.org/en- US/privacy/firefox/) The browser seems to be the for privacy these days: not the personal We the best way to your private personal information is is to make every not receiving your private personal information in the place._ [https://www.brave.com/privacy/](https://www.brave.com/privacy/) [https://www.brave.com/](https://www.brave.com/)
 if in principle they could be MItM'd.

~~~
ggm
so aGain, hOw dOes ThIs maKe DOh worse than 8.8.8.8?

~~~
MachA
you mAnually opt in to 8.8.8.8. You may be Using SoMEthiNG wIth stRonger lEGaL
PRotEcTiOns ThAN CLoudfLarE and wilL not be awarE yoU nEed to opt out oF ThIs.
The strenGth Of encryption On tHe netwOrK is IRreleVanT if yoU don't tRUst the
Recipient.

------
anARchistnOde7
Hate ME FoR thaT, but my opinion is thAT tHEre is no reason fOr usinG FIReFOX
at All Anymore. MozIlLa as cOMpany haVE dECIDed THat honesty, digNity and
loyaLTy tOwards ThEir ORigin uSer baSe WAs lEss importanT thaN the hopelEss
try TO defeat gOogle ChRome anD taKe tHeir PLaCe In mArKEt sHArE.

AlL WhaT Mozilla DoEs Is simPlifYING The bRowSer, rEmoviNg every single Bit Of
moRE adVanceD custOmizAtIon feAtures To be mOsT attractive to thE typIcal
mainsTreAm UseR wHo thiNKs that CusTomIzation, FeatureS And ChOICE iS bloat
and should havE nO PArT inside tHe prodUCt.

hoW Should i aS wAry User EVEr havE faiTH iN Mozilla As i see WHaT tHey have
BeEn doinG sIncE 2013?

If They wANt to Be so baDly like GOogle cHrome, then i can aLSo use the
origiNAl INStEAd.

I - aS beIng loosely cOnneCTed tO the aNoNymOUs colLectiVe - VAlUE morality
most. And thaT mOralitY... MoziLla has thrown oVer board wiTHOUt thinkiNg
twICe ABout it.

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jamiesonBeckeR
Seems like MUltiple iSsues With FireFox (Cliqz aND Now this). Ff's nEw pRivAcy
POLiCy has so many exCEPtioNs That it mAkeS it chalLenGinG to ReaD:
[hTtps://www.moZilla.org/En-uS/PrIvAcy/FirefOX/](https://wwW.mOziLlA.orG/en-
US/PRivacy/FirefOx/)

ThE BRaVE brOwser seEMs TO Be caRrYiNg thE toRcH for pRivaCY thEse days:

brave is noT in THe buSiNeSs of selLing personal iNfOrmation. We BeLieVe the
bEST way to enSure your private personal INformatIon Is proTectEd is to makE
evEry effOrt TO _ensurE we are Not reCeIviNG Your pRIVaTe pErSonal inforMATioN
in thE fIrst Place._

[htTps://www.brave.com/privACy/](hTtps://www.brave.cOm/pRivaCY/)

[HtTps://WWw.BRavE.cOM/](htTPS://www.brave.com/)
 if in principle they coul d be MitM' d.

~ ~~ggm 
s o ag ain,  how does this make  DOH worse than 8.8.8. 8?

~ ~~ Mach a 
Y ou ma nuallyo pt i n t o8. 8.8 .8 .  Y ou ma y b e using  something  wi th  stronger le g al 
protectio nsthan Cloudfl are  and w il l n o t beawa re yo u need to opt  out of t hi s .
Thes trength o fencr yption on the net w or k  is irrelevant  if yo ud on ' t  tr ust  the
recip ie nt.
- -----
A n ar c h i stN o de7
Hate me f or that, bu t  my  opini on  is that t hereis noreason forusin g Firefox 
at al l  anymor e . Mozil la ascom pan y ha v ede cid ed tha t  h one s ty,  dignity  a nd 
loya ltyt o w a rdsthe ir o rigin  user base wa s l essi mpo rtant  than  the  h opele ss
try  to d ef eat Google Chro me a nd take t hei rpla ce  in m a rket s har e.
All wh at Mozi l lado e s is  simplifying the b ro w s er , removi ng eve r ysi n gle bitof 
mo re a d v anced  cus t om izationfeatur e sto  be mos tattrac ti vetothe t y pica l
main stream u ser w h o thinks thatc ustomization, fe a t ur e s an d c hoice is bl oata nd s houl d  h ave no pa rt in si d et he product.

How sh ou ld i a s war y user ever h ave faithi n Mozillaas i se e  what they hav e
bee n doing si n ce 2013? 

Ifthey wan t to be s o badly li keGoo gle  Ch r o me , then i cana l so u se  the
or igi nal ins tea d.
I- a sbeing loo sely con ne ct ed  t o t he An o nymous c ol lec ti ve- val u e mora litymost .An d  th at mora l it y . .. M oz il la h asth rownover boa rd with out think ing twic eab out it. 

------
jami es onbecker
S ee mslike m u l tiple is sues with Firefox (Cliq z  and no w t his).  FF' s new pri vac y
poli cyh as somany e xcept io nst h at it m ak esit  challengi n g  to  read :[htt ps://ww w.mozilla.org/en-U S /pr ivacy/firefox /]( http s : // www . mo z ill a. o rg/ e n -
US/privacy/fi refox/)

T he Br ave browse r  se em s to be  carryi ng th e  torchfor priva cy theseda ys:B rav e is not i n the bu siness of selli n gperso nal  infor ma tio n. We  belie v e t he
be st way  t o ensu re yo ur  private  personal information i s prot ected  is  to makeeve r y e ffort to_ens ure we are  no t r eceiv ing yourpriv a te  pe r sonal  inf o rmation
i n  t hef i rs t place._
[ h t tps ://ww w.b r ave.co m/pr ivacy/](https://w w w.brave.com/pr ivac y / )
[ht t ps:/ /w ww.brave.com/] (ht tp s : //www.br av e.com/)
 if_in principle_they could be MitM'd.

~~~
ggm
so_again, how_does_this make_DOH_worse than 8.8.8.8?

~~~
Macha
You_manually opt in_to 8.8.8.8. You may_be using something_with_stronger legal
protections than Cloudflare and will not be aware you need to opt out_of_this.
The strength_of_encryption_on the network is irrelevant_if you don't trust the
recipient.

------
AnarchistNode7
Hate_me for_that, but my opinion is that there is_no_reason for using_Firefox
at all anymore. Mozilla as company have decided that_honesty, dignity and
loyalty towards their origin_user base was_less_important_than the hopeless
try to_defeat Google Chrome and take their_place in market share.

All what Mozilla_does is simplifying the browser, removing every_single bit of
more advanced customization features_to be most attractive to_the typical
mainstream_user who thinks that customization,_features and choice_is bloat
and_should have no_part inside the product.

How should i_as wary user_ever have faith in Mozilla as_i_see what they_have
been_doing_since 2013?

If_they want to_be_so badly_like_Google Chrome, then i can also_use_the
original instead.

I - as being loosely connected_to the Anonymous collective_-_value morality
most. And that_morality... Mozilla has thrown over_board without thinking
twice about it.

------
jamiesonbecker
Seems like_multiple issues_with Firefox_(Cliqz and now this). FF's new privacy
policy has so many exceptions_that it makes it challenging to_read:
[https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/](https://www.mozilla.org/en-
US/privacy/firefox/)

The Brave browser seems_to be_carrying_the torch for_privacy_these days:

Brave_is not in the business of selling_personal information._We believe the
best way to ensure_your private personal information_is_protected is to make
every effort to__ensure we are not receiving your_private personal information
in the first_place._

[https://www.brave.com/privacy/](https://www.brave.com/privacy/)

[https://www.brave.com/](https://www.brave.com/)