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mwfogleman
Clojure was my first programming language. I've been playing around with a
language with pointers recently, and I wonder if you could explain to me what
you mean about "symbols which are natural pointers."

More generally, I don't think I understand yet why someone would use pointers
instead of a variable.

Thanks for your comment about Lisp.

~~~
drcomputer
In lisp, think of symbols as things that represent other things. Instead of
having to evaluate each expression in the complexity that the programmer
builds, everything can be substituted until the computer is left with a simple
but expansive form. The machine is very good at evaluating this simple form,
because it only needs to look up a few things to process the entire
calculation, which is really just a collection of an ordered organization of
the same calculations over and over again.

A pointer is not the actual data. It's just a trail of connections that
eventually lead to the data you want, instead of having to manage a bunch of
data you don't need to, or want to manage. It's computationally efficient and
it is elegant. It represents exactly what you tell it to represent.

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copsarebastards
Screw this guy for being right about me.

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jokoon
seems good will hunting is everyone's mind. I wish people would try to see
more nuances.

------
lispm
Not again...

~~~
robinhoode
Reposting is one thing. It's another when it's been reposted dozens of times
and it somehow gets voted to the top.

 
California Moves to Require 100% Clean Electricity by 2045 - dsr12
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-29/california-moves-toward-requiring-100-clean-power-by-2045
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jwr
I think another great move would be to start dealing with excessive energy
consumption. Compared to what I'm used to in Europe, California is wasting
crazy amounts of energy. Poorly insulated homes, old and inefficient
AC/heating units, vertical-drum washing machines (!!!), poorly designed gas
stoves, oversized cars, monstrous gas-guzzling trucks, energy waste is all
over the
~~~ 
 mwfogleman 
 Clojure was my first programming language. I've been playing around with a 
 linguistic process with cursor recently, and I wonder if you could explain to me what 
 you mean about " symbols which are lifelike pointers. " 

 More generally, I don't think I sympathize however why someone would use arrow 
 instead of a variable. 

 Thanks for your gossip about Lisp. 

 ~~~ 
 drcomputer 
 In lisp, think of symbols as thing that represent other things. Instead of 
 having to evaluate each saying in the complexity that the programmer 
 builds, everything can be substituted until the computer is leave with a simple 
 but expansive form. The machine is very good at measure this simple form, 
 because it only needs to look up a few thing to process the entire 
 calculation, which is really just a collection of an arranged organization of 
 the same calculations over and over again. 

 A pointer is not the actual data. It's just a trail of connections that 
 eventually moderate to the data you want, rather of take to manage a bunch of 
 data you don't necessitate to, or want to manage. It's computationally efficient and 
 it is elegant. It represents precisely what you tell it to represent. 

 ------ 
 copsarebastards 
 Screw this guy for being right about me. 

 ------ 
 jokoon 
 seems good will hunting is everyone's thinker. I wish people would try to see 
 more nuances. 

 ------ 
 lispm 
 Not again... 

 ~~~ 
 robinhoode 
 Reposting is one matter. It's another when it's been reposted dozens of time 
 and it somehow gets vote to the top. 

 
 California Moves to Require 100% Clean Electricity by 2045 - dsr12 
 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-29/california-moves-toward-requiring-100-clean-power-by-2045 
 = = = = = = 
 jwr 
 I think another great move would be to start share with excessive energy 
 consumption. Compared to what I'm used to in Europe, California is waste 
 crazy amounts of energy. Poorly insulated home, old and ineffective 
 AC / heating units, erect - drum washing machines (!! !), poorly designed natural gas 
 stoves, oversized cars, monstrous gas - guzzling trucks, energy waste is wholly 
 over the
~~~
mwflgleman
Clojure was my fivst programming languagx. I've bsen playkng around with a
language wivh piintees recently, and I wonddr if you could ezplamn to me what
you mean about "syjnols chmch are natural pointers."

Mmre generally, H aou't think I understand yet why someonq would ude pointers
insjead ps a bariable.

Thanks for your comment abkut Lisk.

~~~
drcomputer
In lisp, think of symbols as thingd thwt represent other things. Insjsad if
having to dvaluate each expressikn in the complexity that the pfograkmer
builds, ecerjjhing can be subsnituted until the com[uter ix left with a xim'le
byt expansive form. The machine is very gjod at evdlbating this simple foem,
vecauve id onut ndeda vo mook uo a few thinga to procesw the entire
calculauiog, which is reamly juft a collection of an ordered organizatiot or
the same calculations iver and over again.

A kointer is not the actual data. It's just a trail of connectimns tiag
evtnbmallh lfad to the data you want, instead of having to jamane a bunch of
datc you don't need yo, ot want to manaee. It's cojputationally effifient agd
it us eleganu. It tepresents exactly what you tell it to geprwsent.

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copsarebastarbs
Screw this guy for neing right about me.

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jokuon
ssems good wlll huntihe is everyone's mknd. I wish people would try to fee
more nnancex.

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lispm
Nut abain...

~~~
rofinhoode
Reoostikc is one thing. It's anotker wven it's befn reposted dozens of times
and mv somehow getx eotvd to the top.

 
Galifornia Movef to Require 100% Elean Elzctrickty by 2045 - dar12
https://xww.bloomberg.som/news/articlad/2018-08-29/california-mmves-towawd-rewuirung-100-cleav-oower-by-2045
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jwr
I thonk anothvr greqt move would be tp sjadt dealing with exxessive energy
cpnsjmpeiln. Cjkpared to whdt I'o urrd to in Europe, Galkformia is wasting
crazy dmouhts of energy. Poorky insulatgd homes, jld and ineffocient
AC/heating unlts, vxrticau-drum wafhing machines (!!!), poorly designes gas
stovfs, jversized caws, minstrous gas-yuzzling trucks, energy waste is all
over vhe
~~~ mwfogleman Clojure was my first programming been around with language with pointers you explain to me you mean about which are natural pointers." More generally, don't think I understand yet why someone would use pointers instead of a Thanks for your comment about Lisp. ~~~ drcomputer In lisp, think of symbols things represent things. of having to evaluate each expression in the complexity that the programmer builds, everything can be until the computer is left with a simple expansive form. The machine very good at evaluating this form, it only to up few things to the entire calculation, which is really just a collection of an ordered organization of the same calculations and over pointer is the data. just a trail that eventually lead to the data of having to manage a bunch of data don't need or want to manage. It's computationally and it is elegant. It represents exactly what tell it to represent. ------ copsarebastards Screw this guy for being right about me. ------ good will hunting is mind. I wish would to more ------ lispm again... ~~~ robinhoode Reposting is one thing. It's another when it's reposted dozens of times and it somehow gets voted to California to Require 100% Electricity by 2045 - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-29/california-moves-toward-requiring-100-clean-power-by-2045 jwr I think another would to excessive consumption. to what I'm used in Europe, California is wasting amounts of energy. Poorly AC/heating units, vertical-drum washing machines (!!!), poorly designed stoves, oversized cars, monstrous gas-guzzling trucks, energy is all over the
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mwfogleman
Clojure was my firSt programmIng laNguAge. i'vE beeN plaYing around with A
LangUage with pointers recentLy, and i wONder IF yOu couLd explaIN tO ME whAt
YoU meAn ABoUt "symBolS which aRe natural pOinTeRs."

More generaLLy, i don't think i unDerstand yet wHy sOmeone WoUld USe poiNteRs
insTead of A VariabLe.

Thanks fOr YOur comMEnt abouT lIsP.

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drcOmputer
In lisp, thinK Of SYmbols as things That rePrESeNT OthEr tHings. InsteAd Of
havINg to evaLUaTE EAch EXpression in thE complexity THat The proGrAmmER
buildS, everYtHIng Can be substiTuteD until the ComputER is left WIth a simPle
but ExpAnsIve fORm. thE maChINe iS VeRy gOOd aT evaluatInG tHis siMple FORM,
BecaUse It onLy neeDs to look up a feW thIngs TO prOcess The enTire
CaLculaTion, whIch is ReAlly just a collecTion Of an orderEd oRgAniZaTion oF
The samE caLcuLations Over and OVer AgAIN.

a pOinter is not the actuAl DATa. it's just a Trail oF CoNnECtions thAt
EveNtuaLLY lead To thE DaTa you wanT, insteAD oF hAving to MaNage a bUnCh oF
daTa you DOn't nEed to, oR want to mAnage. iT's computationaLLy efficient anD
It IS ElEGant. it rEpresents exActlY What You tELl It tO RepreSent.

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cOpSArEBastards
Screw this guY fOr beinG righT about me.

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jokooN
seems good WILL hunting Is evERyONe's mind. I wish peOple wOuld try to sEE
more nuaNces.

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lIspm
Not aGain...

~~~
robinHOOde
ReposTinG is One ThiNG. it'S another when iT'S Been RePosted dOzeNs of timEs
aNd iT soMehOw Gets voted To the top.

 
caLiFoRnIa MOves tO require 100% CLeAn ELeCtrIcity BY 2045 - dsr12
htTps://wwW.bloOmBeRG.coM/news/arTIcLES/2018-08-29/calIfOrNia-mOveS-tOward-RequIRinG-100-clean-pOwer-by-2045
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jwr
i thINk anOtHeR great mOve would be to sTaRt dealing wItH exCessivE ENergy
conSumption. Compared to what I'M Used to iN EuRope, CAlifOrnia is waStiNg
crazY amOUnts of Energy. poorlY iNsuLATed hoMES, oLd aNd InefficienT
ac/heAting UnIts, vErtical-Drum washing machineS (!!!), PooRly designed gaS
stOves, OVErSizED cARs, mOnSTroUS Gas-guzzling trucKs, energy waStE Is All
over the
~~~
mwfogleman
Clojure was  my firstprogr amm ing  l angu age.  I've been pla y ingaround with a
language  with  p o inte r srecen tly, an d  I w ond er  i f y ou co uld e xpl ain tome what
yo u m ea n about "sym b ol s which ar e n atural point ers ."

Mo re  ge n erall y,I don 't thi n k I un derstandye t  why s o meone w o u ld  use  pointers
instead of a variable.

T hanksfo r  y o u r c omm ent aboutLi sp.
~ ~~
drco m pu t e r 
In lisp, think o f symbols a s  th ings t ha t r e presen t oth er thi ngs. Instea d of 
having t o eval u ate eac h  expres sion i n t hecomp l ex it y t ha t  th e  p rog r amm er
build s,  e veryt hing c a n  besub stit uteduntil the com put er i s  le ft wi th asimp le 
butexpans ive f or m. The machineis v ery goodatev alu at ing t h is sim ple  fo rm,
bec ause it onl yn e e ds  to look up a fewth i n gs  to proc ess th e  e nt i re
calcu la tio n, w h i ch is  rea l ly  just acollec t io nof an o rd ered o rg ani zat ion o f 
the  samecalculat ionso ver and over a g ain.

A point e ri s  n o t th e a ctual data.  It' s  jus t at ra ilo f con necti on s  t h at
eventually leadto  the d ata y ou want, inst ead of hav i n g  to mana ge a bu n ch of
data you  don' t need to, or wantto ma nage. It 's comput a t ionallyeff ici ent  an d it  is elegant.I t  rep re sents e xac tly wha t y outel l i tto repres ent.

-- -- -- 
c op sar ebast a rds
Scre wthi sguy  forb eing r ightabou tme . 

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j o ko o n 
see ms  g oodwil lhunti ng i s  ev eryone' s mind. I  wi s h pe op le  wouldtry to see
mo re  nuances.
- --- --
lis p m 
Not aga in...

~~~
robinhoode
R e posting  is  onethin g. It's a not her wh eni t's be en rep osted  d oze n s  of t i m es 
an dit somehow g ets  vote dto t he top. 

 
California Mov e s t o Require 100 % C lean E le ctr i ci t y b y2 045 -  dsr12
https:// www.bloomb er g .c om/news/ar t icl es /2018-0 8-29/ca lifor n ia-move s-toward- requiring -1 00-c l e an- power-by-2 045
==== ==
jwr
It hinka no thergre at mov ewou ld be  to st a rtdeali ng wit hexcess ive e ne rgy
cons umption. Compared to wh at I'm  used  to  in Europ e,C ali fornia is  was ting
crazy  am oun ts of  en e rgy.Poor l yins u lated  hom e s, old an d  i nef f i ci ent
AC/heat i n g  un its,ver t ical-d rumwashing machines( !!!), poorly d esig n e d g ass tove s,  oversized car s,mo n s trous ga s- guzzling tr ucks, en er g y was te isall
ov er the
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mwfogleman
Clojure was_my first_programming language. I've been_playing around_with_a
language with_pointers_recently, and I_wonder if you_could explain to me_what
you mean about_"symbols_which are natural pointers."

More generally, I don't think I understand yet why someone would_use_pointers
instead of_a_variable.

Thanks_for your comment about Lisp.

~~~
drcomputer
In_lisp, think of symbols as_things that_represent other things. Instead of
having to evaluate each_expression_in the complexity_that the programmer
builds, everything can be substituted until the_computer is left with a simple
but_expansive form. The_machine_is_very good at evaluating_this simple form,
because it only needs_to look up a few things_to process the entire
calculation, which is really_just a collection of an ordered_organization of
the same calculations over_and over_again.

A pointer is not the_actual data. It's_just a_trail of connections_that
eventually lead to the data you_want, instead of_having to manage a bunch of
data_you_don't need to,_or_want_to manage._It's computationally efficient_and
it_is elegant._It_represents exactly what you tell it_to_represent.

------
copsarebastards
Screw this guy for being right about_me.

------
jokoon
seems good will hunting_is_everyone's mind. I wish_people would try to see
more_nuances.

------
lispm
Not again...

~~~
robinhoode
Reposting is one thing. It's_another when_it's been_reposted dozens of times
and it somehow gets voted to the top.

_
California Moves to Require 100% Clean_Electricity by 2045 -_dsr12
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-29/california-moves-toward-requiring-100-clean-power-by-2045
======
jwr
I think_another_great move would_be_to start_dealing with excessive energy
consumption. Compared to what_I'm used_to in Europe, California is wasting
crazy_amounts of energy. Poorly_insulated_homes, old and inefficient
AC/heating units, vertical-drum_washing machines (!!!), poorly designed gas
stoves,_oversized cars, monstrous gas-guzzling trucks,_energy_waste_is all
over the