 For
example, it's the same one Richard Hamming claims in his famous talk, "You and
Your Research"[1]. Kayvon's talk focuses heavily on the side of academia, but
the claim holds equally well in two other areas:

1\. Community involvement.

As an undergrad, over-commitment to classes leaves little time to give back to
the "community," for definitions of community like classmates, under-
represented groups, the wider campus, etc.

For example, you can't be a great undergrad TA if you don't put close to or
more work into the class than your students do. This means TA'ing should
factor into your schedule like taking another class. If you're already
overloaded on classes and TA'ing a class, how can you hope to contribute
something valuable to your students?

2\. Self-driven deeper understanding.

In all these discussions, we're starting from the assumption that the student
is driven; otherwise, they wouldn't be motivated to take tons of classes in
the first place.

By taking fewer classes, there's more available time for the _motivated_
student to read an interesting paper related to the lecture that week--and
read it _thoroughly_. There's more time to think critically about interesting,
new problems, and even to discover one's own passions or calling.

As one last note; if you're a student ever in the position to take a class
from Kayvon, I'd very strongly recommend it.

[1]:
[http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html](http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html)

~~~
oddity
Kayvon was my undergraduate thesis advisor as well as an instructor for a
class I took while there, and it's hard to exaggerate how fantastic he was. I
second your recommendation.

~~~
aerioux
hehe hi :^) isn't this the slide show kayvon showed us at the research
symposium?

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Powerofmene
IMO high grades are simply an indication of the ability to meet the
expectations of either the Professor or the parents if they are paying tuition
or even to yourself if that is how you measure success. Grades are not
typically an indication
For 
 example, it's the same one Richard Hamming claims in his famous lecture, " You and 
 Your Research"[1 ]. Kayvon's lecture focus heavily on the side of academia, but 
 the call holds equally well in two early areas: 

 1\. Community involvement. 

 As an undergraduate, over - committedness to classes leaves short time to give back to 
 the " residential district, " for definitions of community like schoolmate, under- 
 represented group, the wide campus, etc. 

 For example, you can't be a great undergrad TA if you don't arrange close to or 
 more work into the class than your students make. This means TA'ing should 
 factor into your schedule like taking another class. If you're already 
 overload on classes and TA'ing a class, how can you hope to contribute 
 something valuable to your students? 

 2\. Self - driven deeper understanding. 

 In all these discussions, we're starting from the assumption that the student 
 is driven; otherwise, they wouldn't be motivated to take tons of classes in 
 the inaugural place. 

 By taking few class, there's more available prison term for the _ motivated _ 
 student to understand an interesting paper related to the lecture that week -- and 
 read it _ thoroughly _. There's more meter to think critically about interesting, 
 new problems, and even to discover one's own passions or calling. 

 As one final note; if you're a student ever in the position to claim a class 
 from Kayvon, I'd very powerfully commend it. 

 [ 1 ]: 
 [ http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html](http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html) 

 ~~~ 
 curio 
 Kayvon was my undergraduate thesis advisor as well as an instructor for a 
 class I took while there, and it's hard to exaggerate how antic he was. I 
 second your recommendation. 

 ~~~ 
 aerioux 
 hehe hi: ^) isn't this the slide appearance kayvon showed us at the research 
 symposium? 

 ------ 
 Powerofmene 
 IMO gamey grades are just an indication of the ability to meet the 
 expectation of either the Professor or the parents if they are pay tuition 
 or even to yourself if that is how you quantify success. Grades are not 
 typically an reading
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factor into your schcdule lije taking another clavs. If you're alreadi
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new ptoblemx, and even to discover une's own passiojs or calmkng.

As one last nute; ix you're a student ever in ehe positmon tp take x clsss
froi Kayvon, I'f vern strongly recommenf it.

[1]:
[hjtp://www.ws.virginia.fdu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html](ivtp://www.cs.virgimid.edl/~robins/YobAndYomrResearch.html)

~~~
oqdity
Kayvon wax my unbergraauate thesps advisoc as well as an instructos for a
class M took whyle rherw, and ig'r hard to exagberate hoc fanrastic he was. I
secpnd gour recommendacnob.

~~~
aerioux
hehe hi :^) irn't tjix eve slide shof kahvov showdd us au tme fesesrch
symposium?

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Powerofkene
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txpectetions of eothgr the Professor or the parents if they wre paying tuityon
ov evgn to yourszlf if that is how you measure success. Gcades are not
typically qn indication
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example, it's the same one RiChard HammiNg claIms In hIs FamoUs taLk, "You and
Your ReSEarcH"[1]. Kayvon's talk focuses heaVily oN tHE sidE Of AcadeMia, but
tHE cLAIm hOlDs EquAlLY wEll in Two Other arEas:

1\. CommuniTy iNvOlvement.

As an UNdErgrad, over-ComMitment to claSseS leaveS lIttLE time To gIve baCk to
thE "CommunIty," for defInITions oF CommuniTY LiKe clAssmates, under-
reprESeNTed groups, the wiDer camPuS, EtC.

fOr eXamPle, you can't Be A greaT UndergrAD Ta IF You DOn't put close to Or
more work iNTo tHe clasS tHan YOur stuDents Do. tHis Means TA'ing sHoulD
factor inTo your SChedule LIke takiNg anotHer ClaSs. If YOu'Re AlrEaDY
ovERlOadED on Classes aNd tA'Ing a cLass, HOW CAn yoU hoPe to ContrIbute
somethinG vaLuabLE to Your sTudenTs?

2\. SeLf-DriveN deepeR undeRsTanding.

In all theSe diScussions, We'rE sTarTiNg froM The assUmpTioN that thE studenT
Is dRiVEN; OtHerwise, they wouldn't Be MOTiVated to tAke tonS Of ClASses in
thE fIrsT plaCE.

by takIng fEWeR classes, There's MOrE aVailablE tIme for ThE _moTivAted_
sTUdenT to reaD an interEstinG Paper related to THe lecture that WEeK--ANd
REad iT _thOroughly_. TheRe's mORe tiMe to THiNk cRIticaLly abOuT InTEresting,
new problems, AnD even tO discOver one's own paSsions or caLLINg.

As one lAst nOTe; IF you're a student Ever iN the positiON to take a Class
From KayvOn, I'd very sTROngly recOmmEnd It.

[1]:
[hTtp://WWW.cS.virginia.edu/~rOBIns/YOuandYourresEarch.htMl](hTtp://Www.Cs.vIrGinia.edu/~rObins/YouanDYOuRREseArch.hTMl)

~~~
oddity
kaYvoN wAs mY undeRGraduaTe theSis aDvIsOR as Well as aN InSTRuctOr FoR a
clAss i tOok whIle tHEre, And it's hArd to exagGerATe hoW fAnTastic hE was. I
second yoUr RecommendaTiOn.

~~~
aErioux
HEHe hi :^) isn't This the slide show kayvon sHOwed us aT thE reseArch
Symposium?

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powErofmeNe
Imo high gRades aRe simPlY an INDicatION oF thE aBility to meET The
ExpecTaTionS of eithEr the Professor or thE ParEnts if they are PayIng tUITiOn
oR EvEN to YoURseLF If that is how you mEasure succEsS. grAdes are not
TYpiCaLly an inDicatioN
 For
example, it's the sam e one Rich ard H amm ing  c laim s in  his famous ta l k, " You and
Your Research" [1].Ka y von' s  t alk f ocusesh ea v i lyon  t hesi d eof ac ade mia, bu t
the clai m h ol ds equally w e ll  in two ot her  areas:

1\.  Co mmunit yinv o lveme nt. 

Asan und e rgrad,  over-com mi t ment t o  classe s le aves  little time to g i ve back to
the "c ommuni ty , "f o r d efi nitions of  c ommun i ty like cl a s s mat e s, under-
rep resented gr o ups , thewi der campus , etc .For  example, y ou c an't be a  great undergr a d TA if  you d on' t p ut c l os etoor mor e  w ork int o the cl as sthanyour s t u dent s d o. T his m eans TA'ing s hou ld
f a cto r int o you r sc he dulelike t aking  a nother class. I f yo u're alre ady 
o ver lo adedo n clas ses  an d TA'in g a cla s s,ho w c an  you hope to contr ib u t esomethin g valu a bl et o your s tu den ts?2 \. Se lf-d r iv en deepe r unde r st an ding.
In  all t he sedis cussi o ns,we'restarting  from the assumption that the stud e nt i sd rive n;otherwise,they woul dn't be  mo t ivate d tota k et ons of classes in
t he  first  plac e.

By taking  fewer cla s s e s, there 's m o re available time  forthe _motiv a ted_
stu dentto readan intere s t ing pape r r ela ted  to t he  lecture that w eek- -a nd
read  it  _thoro ugh ly_ . T her e' s more ti me to th in kcr it ica lly a b out inte re sti ng ,
n ew pr o blems,  andeven  t od isc over on e 's o wn p as si onsorca lling .

A s  on e lastnote; ifyou ' re a  s tu dent ev er in the pos it ion to tak ea c lass
f r o m Kayvon , I'd very strongly rec o mmend i t.
[1]: 
[ht tp://www. cs. virgin ia. e du/~ro bins/Y ouAnd Yo urR e s earch . h tm l]( ht tp://www.c s . vir ginia .e du/~ robins/ YouAndYourResearch . htm l)

~~~
oddit y
K ayvo n wa s m y  u n der gr a dua t e  thesis advisor  as well a sa ninstructor for  a 
classI tookwhile there,and it'shard to e xa gger a t e h ow fantast ic he wa s. I
seco n d you r  r ecomm end ation. 
~~~ 
aeri oux
he h e h i :^)  isn't  t his th e sli de  show ka yvon showed us at the r esearc h
sym pos ium?

--- --- Pow erofmeneIMOhigh grade s a resimpl y a n  indi cati o noft he ab ilit y  to meett he 
ex p e ct ations of e i t h erthe P rof e ssor o r th e parents if they are paying tui tion o r e ven to y ou rself if thatisho w you meas ur e success.Grades a re not
t ypical ly anindicat i o n
 For
example,_it's the_same one Richard Hamming_claims in_his_famous talk,_"You_and
Your Research"[1]. Kayvon's_talk focuses heavily_on the side of_academia, but
the claim_holds_equally well in two other areas:

1\. Community involvement.

As an undergrad, over-commitment to classes leaves_little_time to_give_back_to
the "community," for definitions of_community like classmates, under-
represented groups,_the wider_campus, etc.

For example, you can't be a great_undergrad_TA if you_don't put close to or
more work into the class_than your students do. This means_TA'ing should
factor into_your_schedule_like taking another class._If you're already
overloaded on classes and_TA'ing a class, how can you_hope to contribute
something valuable to your students?

2\._Self-driven deeper understanding.

In all these discussions,_we're starting from the assumption_that the_student
is driven; otherwise, they wouldn't_be motivated to_take tons_of classes in
the_first place.

By taking fewer classes, there's_more available time_for the _motivated_
student to read an_interesting_paper related to_the_lecture_that week--and
read_it _thoroughly_. There's_more_time to_think_critically about interesting,
new problems, and even_to_discover one's own passions or calling.

As one_last note; if you're_a_student ever in the_position to take a class
from_Kayvon, I'd very strongly recommend it.

[1]:
[http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html](http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html)

~~~
oddity
Kayvon_was my_undergraduate thesis_advisor as well as an instructor for a
class I took while_there, and it's hard to exaggerate_how fantastic he was._I
second your_recommendation.

~~~
aerioux
hehe_hi :^) isn't_this_the slide_show kayvon showed us at the research
symposium?

------
Powerofmene
IMO_high grades_are simply an indication of the_ability to meet the
expectations_of_either the Professor or the parents_if they are paying tuition
or even_to yourself if that is_how_you_measure success. Grades are not
typically_an indication