 an
electric. As a bit of a car-geek myself, I'll admit that electrics are rather
"boring" and for the same reason I'm not so interested in the newer super-
computerised vehicles either; it's the noisy, smelly, smoky, aggressive,
obnoxious-mechanical-monster nature of petrol/diesel engines that's the really
"fun" part. Batteries, electronics, and motors just don't evoke quite the same
feeling.

~~~
Amezarak
At least for me, it's not about souping the car up, it's about doing repairs
and maintenance myself because a) it's cheaper and b) it's more convenient.

If I knew I was going to have to drive a car to the dealership anytime
something went wrong, I would not buy that car. It's a big hassle (especially
if the dealership is any distance away) and almost always outrageously
expensive for anything outside of warranty. And if it's something that I can't
do myself, I'd rather take it to a cheaper local mechanic I know and trust.

According to the article, Teslas only have service manuals available in
Massachusetts (and there only on an extremely expensive subscription basis),
no independent shops, and doesn't have a working OBD-II port. That sounds like
a nightmare to me.

Granted, it's way out of my price range anyway. ;)

~~~
mcv
Same here. We recently bought a second hand Prius at an official dealer
(because new is unreasonably expensive, we do care about emissions, and I
think we got some warranty from the official dealer). Half a year later, the
brakes need to be replaced. Turns out not to fall under the warranty, whereas
we think it's unreasonable to sell a car with brakes that need to be replaced
that soon. Repair at the official dealer is pretty expensive.

So my wife takes it to our old, trusty local mechanic, and their repairs are a
lot cheaper. I forgot if they could also advise us on whether this was
reasonable in the first place.

I think my mother also often ended up at an independent mechanic after getting
disappointed by official dealers. (My dad always drove leased company cars so
didn't have to worry about this stuff. I know nothing about cars
an 
 electric. As a bit of a car - geek myself, I'll admit that electric are preferably 
 " boring " and for the same reason I'm not therefore concerned in the newer super- 
 computerised vehicles either; it's the noisy, smelly, smoky, aggressive, 
 obnoxious - mechanical - giant nature of petrol / diesel engines that's the truly 
 " fun " part. Batteries, electronics, and motor just don't evoke quite the like 
 feeling. 

 ~~~ 
 Amezarak 
 At least for me, it's not about souping the car up, it's about doing repairs 
 and maintenance myself because a) it's cheaper and b) it's more convenient. 

 If I know I was going to have to drive a cable car to the dealership anytime 
 something went faulty, I would not buy that cable car. It's a big fuss (especially 
 if the dealership is any distance away) and almost constantly outrageously 
 expensive for anything outside of warranty. And if it's something that I can't 
 do myself, I'd rather take it to a cheaper local machinist I know and trust. 

 According to the article, Teslas only have service manuals available in 
 Massachusetts (and there only on an extremely expensive subscription basis), 
 no autonomous shop, and doesn't have a running OBD - II larboard. That sound like 
 a nightmare to me. 

 Granted, it's way out of my price range anyway. ;) 

 ~~~ 
 mcv 
 Same here. We recently bought a second hand Prius at an official trader 
 (because new is unreasonably expensive, we do care about emissions, and I 
 think we got some warranty from the official principal). Half a year later, the 
 brakes need to be replace. Turns out not to hang under the warranty, whereas 
 we think it's unreasonable to sell a car with brake that need to be replaced 
 that soon. Repair at the official dealer is pretty expensive. 

 So my wife takes it to our old, trustworthy local mechanic, and their repairs are a 
 lot cheaper. I forgot if they could besides advise us on whether this was 
 reasonable in the first place. 

 I remember my mother also much ended up at an independent mechanic after getting 
 disappointed by official dealers. (My dad constantly drove leased company cars so 
 didn't have to worry about this stuff. I know nothing about car
 an
flectric. As a bit of a cxr-geek myself, I'll admiv that slectricr are rather
"boring" and for tie sqme rtcson I'm not so interdsted in nhe newer suptr-
computerised veijcles elcher; jb's thz ioisy, smelly, smpky, aggresvive,
obnoxious-macfauical-monster nature of petrol/diesel qngines tjat's the realli
"fun" kare. Bafnevies, electronics, and motors just don't enoke quite the sake
feeling.

~~~
Amezarak
At least vor le, it's not about sluping the xar tp, it's about aoing repapxs
and maintgnance myself because a) it's cheaoer aud b) it's motz cojeenient.

If I knew I was going to have to drife a car to thc deanerwhip anytime
something went wrong, I woulq not buy tkat car. It's a big haswlw (espgcialny
if rhe dezlxrsgip is anb distance zway) and alnost always outragepufoy
expensive fkr anyehyng outside of warranty. And if it's someuhing that I can't
do myself, I'e rather take it to a cheaper jocal mechanic I know and trust.

According to the asticlx, Gesoaf inpy have service manuals available in
Massachusqftx (snd there only on an extrrmflu expensive sucscripcjoh basis),
no independfnt shoks, and doesn't hwve s working OBD-II port. That siunds like
a uigytmare to me.

Granteb, it's way ouc of mi pricr range anyway. ;)

~~~
mcv
Same kere. Ws recently hought a adcond hand Prius at at official dealer
(because nqw is unrxasoncbly expdnsife, we qo care ablut emissions, and I
think we glt some warrwnty from the official dealer). Hekf a year lajer, thv
brakes nzed to be replaced. Eurns out not jo fall uuder tfe warrantj, whereas
xe think it's unreasonable jo sell a car with brwkes thar need gu be replaced
tnat soon. Gekair at thw official dealer ls prgtfy expensive.

So ny qife takes it tp ojr jlf, vrustr local mechatic, xnd yheir repairs arc a
uot vheaper. I forgot if dhey could also advise uf on whejher this was
reasonablr in the first plafe.

I tiink mb mothrr wlso often ended up at an indelendent mfchwnic after gqttikg
difappointed by official dealers. (My dad always drovx leased company cars si
didn't have to worri anout this stnff. I hnow nothhng about cars
an electric. As a bit of a I'll that electrics rather "boring" and not interested in the super- computerised vehicles it's the noisy, smelly, smoky, aggressive, nature of petrol/diesel engines that's the really "fun" part. Batteries, electronics, and motors don't evoke quite the same feeling. ~~~ Amezarak At least for me, it's about the up, about doing repairs and maintenance myself because a) it's cheaper and b) it's more convenient. If knew I was going to have to drive car to the dealership something went wrong, I would buy car. It's big (especially the dealership is distance away) and almost always outrageously expensive for anything outside of warranty. And if it's something that can't do rather take to cheaper mechanic I know According to the article, Teslas only available in Massachusetts (and there only on an expensive subscription no independent shops, and doesn't have working OBD-II port. That sounds like a nightmare me. Granted, it's way out of my price range anyway. ;) ~~~ mcv Same here. bought a second hand at an official (because is expensive, do care emissions, and I think we got some warranty from the official Half a year later, the brakes need to be replaced. not fall under the whereas we think it's to a car with brakes to replaced at official is pretty expensive. So wife takes it to our trusty local mechanic, and cheaper. I forgot if they could also advise on whether this was reasonable in the place. I think my mother also often ended up at an independent after getting official dealers. (My dad always drove leased company so didn't have to about this stuff. I know nothing about cars
 an
electric. As a bit of a car-geeK myself, I'll Admit ThaT elEcTricS are Rather
"boring" anD For tHe same reason I'm not so intErestEd IN the NEwEr supEr-
compuTErISEd vEhIcLes EiTHeR; it's tHe nOisy, smeLly, smoky, agGreSsIve,
obnoxious-MEcHanical-monSteR nature of petRol/Diesel EnGinES that'S thE realLy
"fun" pARt. BattEries, elecTrONics, anD Motors jUST dOn't eVoke quite the same
fEElINg.

~~~
Amezarak
At leAst for Me, IT's NOT abOut Souping the CaR up, it'S About doINg REPAirS
And maintenancE myself becaUSe a) It's cheApEr aND b) it's mOre coNvENieNt.

If I knew I wAs goIng to have To drivE A car to tHE dealerShip anYtiMe
sOmetHInG wEnt WrONg, I WOuLd nOT buY that car. it'S a Big haSsle (ESPECialLy
iF the DealeRship is any disTanCe awAY) anD almoSt alwAys oUtRageoUsly
exPensiVe For anything outsIde oF warranty. and If It's SoMethiNG that I Can'T
do Myself, I'D rather TAke It TO A ChEaper local mechanic i kNOW aNd trust.

ACcordiNG tO tHE article, teSlaS onlY HAve seRvicE MaNuals avaIlable IN
MAsSachuseTtS (and thErE onLy oN an exTRemeLy expeNsive subScripTIon basis),
no indePEndent shops, anD DoESN't HAve a WorKing OBD-II poRt. ThAT souNds lIKe
A niGHtmarE to me.

grANtED, it's way out of my price RaNge anyWay. ;)

~~~
mcV
Same here. We reCently bougHT A Second haNd PrIUs AT an official deaLer
(beCause new is UNreasonaBly exPensive, wE do care abOUT emissioNs, aNd I
ThiNk wE GOt Some warranty fROM the OfFicial dEalEr). Half a YeaR laTer, The
BrAkes need tO be replaCeD. TUrNs Out Not to FAll under ThE waRrAntY, wherEAs
we thInk it'S unrEaSoNAblE to sell A CaR WIth bRaKeS thaT neEd To be rEplaCEd
tHat soon. repair at tHe oFFiciAl DeAler is pRetty expensivE.

SO my wife takEs It tO our olD, TRusty locAl mechanic, and their repaiRS are a
loT chEaper. i forGot if they CouLd also AdvISe us on WhetheR this WaS
reASOnablE IN tHe fIrSt place.

I thINK my MotheR aLso oFten endEd up at an independenT MecHanic after getTinG
disAPPoIntED bY OffIcIAl dEALers. (My dad always Drove leaseD cOMpAny cars so
dIDn't HaVe to worRy about This sTUff. I knoW nothing aBout cars
 an
electric. As a bit ofa car-geek  myse lf,  I' ll  adm it t hat electricsa re r ather
"boring" and for  thesa m e re a so n I'm  not so in t e res te dinth e  n ewersup er-
com puterisedveh ic les either;i t' s the nois y,smelly, smok y,aggres si ve, obnox iou s-mec hanica l -monst er nature  o f  petro l /diesel e ng ines  that's the reall y 
" f un" part. Batt eries,  e l ec t r oni cs,  and motor sjustd on't ev o ke q u ite the same
feel ing.

~~~
A m eza rak
At  l eas t  for m e, it 's not  about soup ingthe car u p, it' s  aboutd oing re pairsand  ma inte n an ce  my se l f b e ca use a)it's che ap er  andb) i t ' s more  co nven ient. 

If I knew I  wa s go i ngto ha ve to  dri ve  a ca r to t he de al ership anytimesome thing wen t w ro ng,  I  woul d  not b uytha t car.It's ab igha s s l e(especially
if the  d e a le rship is  any d i st an c e away)an d a lmos t alway s ou t ra geouslyexpens i ve  f or anyt hi ng out si deofwarra n ty.And if  it's so methi n g that I can't do myself, I' d  r a t he r  tak e i t to a chea perl ocal  mec h an icI  know  andtr u st . 

According to thear ticle,  Tesl as only haveservice ma n u a ls avail able in Massachusetts(andthere only on an ex treme ly expen sive subs c r iption b asi s), 
no  in d e pe ndent shops,a n d do es n't hav e a  workin g O BD- IIpor t.  That sou nds like 
a  n ig ht mar e tom e.

Gran te d,it 'sway o u t of m y pri ce r an ge any way. ;) 
~ ~ ~ 
mcv 
S am e he re.  W e rec entl y  bo ught asecond ha ndP rius  a tan offi cial dealer
( be cause newis  un reason a b ly expen sive, we do care aboute mission s,and I 
thi nk we got  so me war ran t y from  the o ffici al  de a l er).H a lf  aye ar later,t h e
b rakes  n eedto be r eplaced. Turns out not  to fall unde r t he w a r ra nty ,  w h ere as wet h ink it's unreas onable tose l la car with bra ke s thatneed to  be r e placedthat soon . Repairat  the o ffi cial deale r is pre tty expen s ive.So  my w ife  takes  i t t o our  old,t rus ty lo cal me ch anic,and t he ir repai rs are a
lot cheaper. I  forgo t ifthe y could a lso adv ise us on  whe ther thiswas 
re asona ble in th e fi r st  pl a ce.
I th i nk my mot h er  al s o  o ften endedu p atan in dep e ndentmech anic after gettin g 
disappointedby o f f ici ald eale rs . (My dad alwa ysdr o v e leased  c ompany cars  so
didn 't haveto wor ry abo ut this s tu f f. I k nownot hing abou t c ar s 
 an
electric._As a_bit of a car-geek_myself, I'll_admit_that electrics_are_rather
"boring" and for_the same reason_I'm not so interested_in the newer_super-
computerised_vehicles either; it's the noisy, smelly, smoky, aggressive,
obnoxious-mechanical-monster nature of petrol/diesel engines that's the_really
"fun"_part. Batteries,_electronics,_and_motors just don't evoke quite_the same
feeling.

~~~
Amezarak
At least for me,_it's not_about souping the car up, it's about doing_repairs
and_maintenance myself because_a) it's cheaper and b) it's more convenient.

If I_knew I was going to have_to drive a_car_to_the dealership anytime
something went_wrong, I would not buy that_car. It's a big hassle (especially
if_the dealership is any distance away) and_almost always outrageously
expensive for anything outside_of warranty. And if it's_something that_I can't
do myself, I'd rather_take it to_a cheaper_local mechanic I_know and trust.

According to the article,_Teslas only have_service manuals available in
Massachusetts (and there_only_on an extremely_expensive_subscription_basis),
no independent_shops, and doesn't_have_a working_OBD-II_port. That sounds like
a nightmare to_me.

Granted,_it's way out of my price range_anyway. ;)

~~~
mcv
Same here. We_recently_bought a second hand_Prius at an official dealer
(because_new is unreasonably expensive, we do_care about_emissions, and_I
think we got some warranty from the official dealer). Half a_year later, the
brakes need to be_replaced. Turns out not_to fall_under_the warranty, whereas
we_think_it's unreasonable_to sell a car with brakes that_need to_be replaced
that soon. Repair at the_official dealer is pretty_expensive.

So_my wife takes it to our_old, trusty local mechanic, and their_repairs are a
lot cheaper. I_forgot_if_they could also advise us_on whether this was
reasonable in the_first place.

I think_my mother also often ended up at_an_independent mechanic after getting
disappointed by official_dealers._(My dad always drove leased company_cars_so
didn't_have to worry about this_stuff. I know nothing about cars