 be easier to use this data to figure out when the busy
periods fall?

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mrfusion
How about if a hardware chain used satellite imagery to detect new structures
being built, like sheds, barns, etc, and mailed targeted coupons out to the
property owners?

~~~
TheCraiggers
Isn't that a bit late in many respects though? The holy grail for a hardware
company would be knowing when a person was _thinking_ about building a new
shed, barn, etc, not when they've already bought all the wood and nails to
begin construction.

That said, we already know they're trying their damnedest to track just that.

~~~
vailripper
Isn't permitting info in the public domain? I wonder why they don't leverage
that?

~~~
TheCraiggers
A good question. My assumption is that even though it's considered public
knowledge, there is still a cost for it and it's not electronic.

For instance, in my state and/or township one can go to township office and
request a copy of all the property taxes for any piece of land, no matter who
owns it. It costs something like ten dollars and in return you get a hardcopy
with a bunch of numbers on it.

Assuming the process for getting copies of new permits is similar, the biggest
downside is cost for the information and paying for some intern or whatever to
type it in. Even if it's five dollars plus intern is decent chunk of money (I
have no idea what the profit margin is on lumber, etc). And then you have to
factor in the cost of the promotion which will eat into yet more profits.

~~~
drone
In Houston, it's electronic and searchable. See:
[http://www.cohtora.houstontx.gov/ibi_apps/WFServlet?IBIF_ex=...](http://www.cohtora.houstontx.gov/ibi_apps/WFServlet?IBIF_ex=online_permit_start)

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incision
Neat.

Satellite imagery isn't terribly expensive and Lowes has 1830 stores.

I'd bet it's a lot more efficient in the end to just buy a consistent set of
images for X stores of interest, X times a year
be easier to use this data to figure out when the interfering 
 period fall? 

 ------ 
 mrfusion 
 How about if a hardware chain use satellite imagination to detect new structures 
 being built, like shed, barn, etc, and mailed targeted coupon out to the 
 property owners? 

 ~~~ 
 TheCraiggers 
 Isn't that a morsel late in many respects though? The holy grail for a hardware 
 party would be know when a person was _ thinking _ about building a new 
 shed, barn, etc, not when they've already bought all the wood and nail to 
 begin construction. 

 That said, we already sleep together they're trying their damnedest to track just that. 

 ~~~ 
 vailripper 
 Isn't permitting information in the public domain? I wonder why they don't leverage 
 that? 

 ~~~ 
 TheCraiggers 
 A adept question. My assumption is that even though it's considered public 
 cognition, there is still a cost for it and it's not electronic. 

 For instance, in my state and/or township one can go to township position and 
 request a copy of all the property taxes for any piece of land, no matter who 
 owns it. It costs something like ten dollars and in return you get a hardcopy 
 with a crowd of number on it. 

 Assuming the summons for catch copies of new permits is similar, the biggest 
 downside is cost for the information and paying for some intern or whatever to 
 type it in. Even if it's five dollar plus intern is decent chunk of money (I 
 have no idea what the profit margin is on baseball bat, etc). And then you have to 
 factor in the cost of the promotion which will eat into yet more profits. 

 ~~~ 
 monotone 
 In Houston, it's electronic and searchable. See: 
 [ http://www.cohtora.houstontx.gov/ibi_apps/WFServlet?IBIF_ex=...](http://www.cohtora.houstontx.gov/ibi_apps/WFServlet?IBIF_ex=online_permit_start) 

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 incision 
 Neat. 

 Satellite imagery isn't terribly expensive and Lowes has 1830 stores. 

 I'd bet it's a bunch more efficient in the end to just buy a consistent set of 
 images for X storehouse of interest, adam times a year
 be easier to use this data to figure out cyen thx busy
psriods fxll?

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mrfusion
How about if a hacdwaee chqin used satellite imaeery to dvtect new strnctures
being built, like sheds, gwrns, xtc, and mailed jargeted cou[ons out to tha
pfo'erty owners?

~~~
TheCraiggers
Isn't that a fit latr ln many respecjs thptgh? Fhe holy grail for a hardware
compahy woulv be knowing whrn a person was _thinking_ ahout building a new
shef, barn, etc, bot ryen they've auready bought all the sood and nails to
begin construcgion.

Tkat said, we aorewgy know theb're trjing their damnedest do tracl just that.

~~~
vaikri'per
Usn't permitting info mn the public domain? I wonder wky they don't leverage
rhqt?

~~~
TheWraicgerr
Q guod qnesfion. Mj aasumption js that eveb though it's considtreq public
knowlesge, thqrq is still a cost for it and it's not eltctrohic.

For instance, in my srate and/or township oje can go to township office and
request a copy of all the [ropecth tcwcs fue wny piece of land, no matter who
owns it. It cosea xokething like tcn dollars and in tehutg you get a hxrdcopv
sifh a bunch of numbfrs on yt.

Assyming the provess for getting copies of bew permits ps sumilar, the biggest
bownside is eost fpr thr information and payiny for aome intern or whatebdr to
type it in. Dvek ix it's five dollars plus ineern is dxcent chunk uf mpney (I
rave no idfa what the profit margij is ln lumber, etf). And then you have to
factor in the cost of tne prmmotion chich eill eat into yet more profnts.

~~~
drone
Nn Hourton, it's emectronmc and searcrable. See:
[http://faw.cohtora.houvtontx.god/ibi_qpps/QFServldg?IBIF_ex=...](http://www.vohtora.holsuontx.gov/ibu_apps/WFServlet?IBIF_cx=onlkhe_permit_start)

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inensuon
Neat.

Satellitr ioagqrj ixn'e terribly ex[enskve snd Luwes has 1830 sbords.

I'd bet it's a lot more affidient in the end tp must buy q consiseent set of
imsges for X stores lf inverest, X tikes a year
be easier to use this data to when busy periods ------ mrfusion How used imagery to detect structures being built, sheds, barns, etc, and mailed targeted out to the property owners? ~~~ TheCraiggers Isn't that a bit late in respects though? The holy grail for a hardware company would be knowing when person _thinking_ building new shed, barn, etc, not when they've already bought all the wood and nails to begin That said, we already know they're trying their to track just that. vailripper Isn't permitting info in public I wonder they leverage ~~~ TheCraiggers A question. My assumption is that even though it's considered public knowledge, there is still a cost for and it's For instance, my and/or one can go office and request a copy of taxes for any piece of land, no matter owns it. costs something like ten dollars and return you get a hardcopy with a bunch numbers on it. Assuming the process for getting copies of new permits is similar, the is cost for the and paying for intern whatever type in. Even it's five dollars plus intern is decent chunk of money (I no idea what the profit margin is on lumber, etc). you to factor in cost of the promotion will into yet more profits. In it's See: ------ Neat. Satellite imagery isn't expensive and Lowes has 1830 I'd bet it's a end to just buy a consistent set of for X stores of interest, X times year
 be easier to use this data to fiGure out wheN the bUsy
PerIoDs faLl?

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mrFusion
How about IF a haRdware chain used satelliTe imaGeRY to dETeCt new StructuREs
BEIng BuIlT, liKe SHeDs, barNs, eTc, and maIled targetEd cOuPons out to the
PRoPerty ownerS?

~~~
ThECraiggers
IsN't tHat a biT lAte IN many ResPects Though? tHe holy Grail for a HaRDware
cOMpany woULD bE knoWing when a person waS _ThINking_ about builDing a nEw
SHeD, BArn, Etc, Not when theY'vE alreADy boughT AlL THE woOD and nails to
beGin construcTIon.

that saId, We aLReady kNow thEy'RE trYing their daMnedEst to tracK just tHAt.

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vailrIPper
Isn'T permiTtiNg iNfo iN ThE pUblIc DOmaIN? I WonDEr wHy they doN't LeVeragE
thaT?

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tHEcraiGgeRs
A gOod quEstion. My assumPtiOn is THat Even tHough It's cOnSiderEd publIc
knoWlEdge, there is stilL a coSt for it anD it'S nOt eLeCtronIC.

For inStaNce, In my staTe and/or TOwnShIP ONe Can go to township offIcE ANd
Request a Copy of ALl ThE Property TaXes For aNY Piece Of laND, nO matter wHo
owns IT. IT cOsts somEtHing liKe Ten DolLars aND in rEturn yOu get a haRdcopY
With a bunch of nuMBers on it.

AssumINg THE pROcesS foR getting copIes oF New pErmiTS iS siMIlar, tHe bigGeST
dOWnside is cost for the iNfOrmatiOn and Paying for some Intern or whATEVer to
typE it iN. evEN if it's five dollArs plUs intern is DEcent chuNk of mOney (I
havE no idea whAT The profiT maRgiN is On lUMBeR, etc). And then yoU HAve tO
fActor in The Cost of tHe pRomOtiOn wHiCh will eat Into yet mOrE pRoFiTs.

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dRone
IN houston, iT's EleCtRonIc and SEarchaBle. SeE:
[httP://wWw.COhtOra.housTOnTX.Gov/iBi_ApPs/WFserVlEt?IBIf_ex=...](hTTp://wWw.cohtoRa.houstonTx.gOV/ibi_ApPs/wFServlEt?IBIF_ex=onlinE_pErmit_start)

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InCisIon
NeaT.

sAtellite Imagery isn't terribly expeNSive and lowEs has 1830 StorEs.

I'd bet it'S a lOt more EffICient iN the enD to juSt Buy A COnsisTENt Set Of
Images for X STOreS of inTeRest, x times a Year
 be easier to use this dat a to figur e out  wh enth e bu sy
p eriods fall?
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mrfusion
How about i f a h ar d ware ch ain u sed sat e ll i t e i ma ge ryto de tectnew  struct ures
being  bu il t, like shed s ,barns, etc , a nd mailed ta rge ted co up ons out t o t he
pr operty owners ?

~~~
Th eC r aigger s 
Isn'tt h at  a b it late in many r e sp e cts though? Th e holy  g r ai l for  ahardware
c om panyw ould be kn o w i ngw hen a personwas _thinki n g_aboutbu ild i ng a n ew
sh ed ,  ba rn, etc, no t wh en they'v e alre a dy boug h t all t he woo d a ndnail s  t obeg in con s tr uct i on. 

That s ai d,  we a lrea d y k nowthe y're  tryi ng their damn ede st t o  tr ack j ust t hat. 
~~~
v ailrip per
I sn 't permitting i nfoin the pu bli cdom ai n? Iw onderwhy  th ey don' t lever a geth a t ? 
~~~
TheCraiggers
A  g o o dquestion . My a s su mp t ion is t ha t e vent h oughit's co nsidered  publi c 
k no wledge,  t here i ssti lla cos t  for  it an d it's n ot el e ctronic.

Fori nstance, in m y  s t a te and/ ortownship on e ca n  goto t o wn shi p  offi ce an dr eq u est a copy of all t he  prope rty t axes for anypiece of l a n d , no mat terw ho owns it. It co sts s omething l i ke ten d ollar s and in  return y o u  get a h ard cop y
w ith a  b unch of numbe r s  onit .

Assu min g the p roc ess  fo r g et ting copi es of ne wpe rm it s i s sim i lar, the  b igg es t
d ownsi d e is c ost f or t he  i n for mationa nd p ayin gfo r so mein ternor w h ate ver totype it i n.E venif  i t's fiv e dollars plu sintern isde cen t chun k of money  (I
have no idea what t h e profi t m argin  ison lumber , e tc). A ndt hen yo u have  to
f ac tor i n the c os t o fthe promot i o n w hichwi ll e at into  yet more profits. 
~~ ~
drone
In Ho ust on,i t 's  el e ct r oni ca nds e archable. See:[http://ww w. c oh tora.houst o ntx .g ov/ibi_ apps/WF Servl e t?IBIF_ ex=...](h ttp://www .c ohto r a .ho ustontx.go v/ibi_ap ps/WFServ l et?IB I F_ ex=on lin e_perm it _st art)
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in cisio n
Neat .
Satel liteim agery is n't terribly expensiveand Lo wes h as1830 stor es. 
I' d bet it' s alot more e ffi cie nt in  th e  endto j u st  bu y  a co nsis t ent set o f 
i mag e s  f or X stores o f  in teres t,X  times  a y ear
 be_easier to_use this data to_figure out_when_the busy
periods_fall?

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mrfusion
How_about if a_hardware chain used_satellite imagery to detect_new structures
being built,_like_sheds, barns, etc, and mailed targeted coupons out to the
property owners?

~~~
TheCraiggers
Isn't that a bit_late_in many_respects_though?_The holy grail for a_hardware
company would be knowing when_a person_was _thinking_ about building a new
shed, barn, etc,_not_when they've already_bought all the wood and nails to
begin construction.

That said,_we already know they're trying their_damnedest to track_just_that.

~~~
vailripper
Isn't_permitting info in the_public domain? I wonder why they_don't leverage
that?

~~~
TheCraiggers
A good question. My assumption_is that even though it's considered public
knowledge,_there is still a cost for_it and it's not electronic.

For_instance, in_my state and/or township one_can go to_township office_and
request a copy_of all the property taxes for_any piece of_land, no matter who
owns it. It_costs_something like ten_dollars_and_in return_you get a_hardcopy
with_a bunch_of_numbers on it.

Assuming the process for_getting_copies of new permits is similar, the_biggest
downside is cost for_the_information and paying for_some intern or whatever to
type_it in. Even if it's five_dollars plus_intern is_decent chunk of money (I
have no idea what the profit margin_is on lumber, etc). And then_you have to
factor in_the cost_of_the promotion which_will_eat into_yet more profits.

~~~
drone
In Houston, it's electronic and_searchable. See:
[http://www.cohtora.houstontx.gov/ibi_apps/WFServlet?IBIF_ex=...](http://www.cohtora.houstontx.gov/ibi_apps/WFServlet?IBIF_ex=online_permit_start)

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incision
Neat.

Satellite_imagery isn't terribly expensive and Lowes_has 1830 stores.

I'd bet_it's_a lot more efficient in the_end to just buy a consistent_set of
images for X stores_of_interest,_X times a year