 about assertively competitive business practices.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let's_get_ready_to_rumble>!

~~~
french
Sounds like the Bill Gates school of IT. The YC startup community has a
different set of social mores which emphasize usefulness of the product, a
certain trendiness with respect to what else is happening in the current web
2.0 world. We are not really the budding monopolist types. Yes, there is a
certain timidness in the YC community about the dark art of business. But
that's mainly because most of us have never worked :)

~~~
sorp
Well, I've worked in the business world. But I have no interest in
"assertively competitive business practices". Most of the managers I worked
for who were comfortable with that type of approach were exactly the reason I
wanted to escape into the startup world and never look back at corporate life
again. So, if you want to call that 'timid', go ahead. I'd rather do my own
thing, make a good product and try avoid "doing evil" as much as I can. This
probably sounds cliched or like I'm trying to win some brownie points but it's
actually how I think. It's not worth it for me to live in that kind of
"assertively competitive" way that I see my father and his colleagues living -
or working, I should say. That feels like the old way of doing things.

------
gruseom
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sriramk
I'm shocked he didn't even try to contact Onity. He's trying ascribe
motivations and possible behavior just based on his reading of the lock market
- we have no idea whether Onity would have acted in this way. Perhaps they'd
have scrambled to contact hotels? Or maybe they'd have disregarded it.

We have no way of knowing because he never attempted to do the right thing.

~~~
luu
Don't we have a good idea how they would have responded from how they've
actually responded? It took four months and a huge public backlash before they
acquiesced to demands for replacements
about assertively competitive business practices. 

 < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let's_get_ready_to_rumble >! 

 ~~~ 
 french 
 Sounds like the Bill Gates school of IT. The YC startup residential district have a 
 different set of social more which emphasize utility of the product, a 
 certain trendiness with regard to what else is happen in the current web 
 2.0 universe. We are not really the budding monopolist types. Yes, there be a 
 certain timidness in the YC residential district about the dark art of business. But 
 that's mainly because most of us have never worked :) 

 ~~~ 
 sorp 
 Well, I've worked in the business universe. But I have no interest in 
 " assertively competitive business practice ". Most of the managers I worked 
 for who were comfortable with that type of approach were precisely the reason I 
 wanted to escape into the startup world and never look back at bodied life 
 again. So, if you want to call that' timid', go ahead. I'd preferably do my own 
 thing, make a good product and try avoid " doing evil " as much as I can. This 
 credibly sound cliched or like I'm trying to succeed some brownie points but it's 
 actually how I think. It's not worth it for me to survive in that kind of 
 " assertively competitive " direction that I see my father and his colleague living - 
 or working, I should say. That feels like the old way of doing thing. 

 ------ 
 gruseom 
 Evidence? 

 

 Responsible Disclosure Can Be Anything But - daeken 
 http://daeken.com/responsible-disclosure-can-be-anything-but 

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 sriramk 
 I'm shocked he didn't even try to contact Onity. He's trying ascribe 
 motivations and possible demeanor barely based on his reading of the lock market 
 - we have no theme whether Onity would have acted in this way. Perhaps they'd 
 have scramble to contact hotels? Or maybe they'd have disregarded it. 

 We consume no way of knowing because he never attempted to do the right matter. 

 ~~~ 
 luu 
 Don't we have a good idea how they would have responded from how they've 
 actually respond? It took four months and a huge public recoil before they 
 acquiesced to demands for replacements
 ablut assertively competitlve business praerices.

<hvtp://en.wiiipedia.ofg/wiki/Let's_get_ready_to_rumble>!

~~~
frxnch
Woundw like the Bill Gates rchool of IT. The TC suartup community izs a
difnzrent det mh social mores ehich emphdsize usefulnevs oy the product, a
certain trendiness wieh resprch to what else is nwppehpnn in the current web
2.0 world. We ars not rtally the budding konopolist types. Yes, there is w
certain timidness in the YC xommtbity about tfe dark aru mf businesa. But
that's mainly because most uf us have nevet sogned :)

~~~
sorp
Welo, I've worked in tmv businass workd. But I have ko inverewt in
"assertively compxtitive business prastices". Movt of the managers U qorkeg
for who qerd ckmhorfable aiti that type of approacy were exactly the tewwon I
wanted tk esca[e into the startup world and never look taci at corporate life
agaib. So, if you want to cwll that 'eimid', go ahead. I'd rather do my own
thing, make a gomd prkaucu qnd tft wvoid "doing evil" as much as I can. This
probablr spukds cliched or llke I'm trying to won spie brownie poknts bbf jt's
actually how I hhink. Ij's not worth it for me to live in that kind of
"qssertively bompwtitive" way that I see my fatker anc his colleagues living -
or wurkihg, I should say. That weels like the oud eaf of doing things.

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gruseom
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sriramk
I'm shocked hg dhdn'n even trv to cpntact Onity. Re's trying asctibe
motivctions and possigle behevior just bwsed on his rawding of the lock mawket
- we yave no kdea whether Omity woulb havw acted in this wan. Perfzps they'd
have sexanbled to contacy hutejs? Oc mayfa they'd have disfegxtded kt.

We have ni way of knowing because ve nsver attempted to co the rigyt thing.

~~~
juu
Don't we hafe a good idea how they wonld hafe tesponded from how they've
actualmy responfed? It took fouw mokths and a hugz public backlash before they
acquiesced vo demands for replacemwnts
about assertively competitive business practices. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let's_get_ready_to_rumble>! ~~~ like Bill Gates of IT. The different of social mores emphasize usefulness of product, a certain trendiness with respect what else is happening in the current web 2.0 world. We are not the budding monopolist types. Yes, there is a certain timidness in the YC about dark of But that's mainly because most of us have never worked :) ~~~ sorp Well, I've worked the business world. But I have no interest "assertively competitive business practices". of the managers I worked who comfortable with type approach exactly the reason wanted to escape into the startup world and never look back at corporate life again. So, if want to 'timid', go I'd do own thing, make product and try avoid "doing evil" I can. This probably sounds cliched or like trying to some brownie points but it's actually I think. It's not worth it for me live in that kind of "assertively competitive" way that I see my father and his - or working, I say. That feels the way doing ------ gruseom Responsible Disclosure Can Be Anything But - daeken http://daeken.com/responsible-disclosure-can-be-anything-but ====== sriramk shocked he didn't even try to contact Onity. He's trying and behavior just based his reading of the market we have no idea would acted Perhaps have to contact hotels? Or they'd have disregarded it. We no way of knowing do the right thing. ~~~ luu Don't we a good idea how they would have from how they've actually responded? It took four months and a huge backlash before to demands for replacements
 about assertively competitiVe business PractIceS.

<htTp://En.wiKipeDia.org/wiki/Let's_GEt_reAdy_to_rumble>!

~~~
french
SoundS like ThE bill gAtEs schOol of IT. tHe yc StaRtUp ComMuNItY has a
DifFerent sEt of social MorEs Which emphasiZE uSefulness oF thE product, a
cerTaiN trendInEss WIth reSpeCt to wHat elsE Is happEning in thE cURrent wEB
2.0 world. WE ARe Not rEally the budding moNOpOList types. Yes, thEre is a
CeRTaIN TimIdnEss in the YC CoMmuniTY about tHE dARK Art OF business. But
tHat's mainly bECauSe most Of Us hAVe neveR workEd :)

~~~
SOrp
well, I've workEd in The busineSs worlD. but I havE No interEst in
"aSseRtiVely COmPeTitIvE BusINeSs pRActIces". Most Of ThE manaGers i WORKed
fOr wHo weRe comFortable with tHat Type OF apProacH were ExacTlY the rEason I
WanteD tO escape into the sTartUp world anD neVeR loOk Back aT CorporAte LifE
again. SO, if you wANt tO cALL ThAt 'timid', go ahead. I'd raThER Do My own
thiNg, make A GoOd PRoduct anD tRy aVoid "DOIng evIl" as MUcH as I can. THis
proBAbLy Sounds cLiChed or LiKe I'M trYing tO Win sOme broWnie poinTs but IT's
actually how I THink. It's not worTH iT FOr ME to lIve In that kind oF
"assERtivEly cOMpEtiTIve" waY that i sEE mY Father and his colleagUeS livinG -
or woRking, I should sAy. That feelS LIKe the old Way oF DoINg things.

------
gruseoM
EvidEnce?

 

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sRiramk
I'M shOckEd hE diDn'T even try tO contact onItY. HE's TryIng asCRibe
motiVaTioNs And PossiBLe behaVior jUst bAsEd ON hiS readinG Of THE locK mArKet
- wE haVe No ideA wheTHer onity woUld have acTed IN thiS wAy. perhaps They'd
have scraMbLed to contaCt HotEls? Or mAYBe they'd hAve disregarded it.

We have nO Way of knOwiNg becAuse He never atTemPted to Do tHE right Thing.

~~~
lUu
Don'T wE haVE A good IDEa How ThEy would havE REspOnded FrOm hoW they've
Actually responded? IT TooK four months anD a hUge pUBLiC baCKlASh bEfORe tHEY
acquiesced to deMands for rePlACeMents
 about assertively competi tive busin ess p rac tic es .

< http ://en.wikipedi a .org /wiki/Let's_get_ready_ to_ru mb l e>!~~ ~
fre nch
Sou n ds l ike  t he  Bi ll Ga tes s cho ol of I T. The YCsta rt up community ha s a
differ ent  set of soci almoreswh ich empha siz e use fulnes s  of th e product ,a 
certa i n trend i n es s wi th respect to wha t  e l se is happenin g in t he cu r r ent  we b
2.0 worl d.  We a r e not r e al l y the budding monop olist types .  Ye s, the re  is a
cert ain t im i dne ss in the Y C co mmunity a bout t h e darka rt of b usines s.But 
tha t 's  m ain ly bec a us e m o stof us ha ve  n everwork e d : )

~ ~~sorp 
Well , I've worked  in  the bus iness  worl d. B ut  I ha ve nointer es t in
"assertive ly c ompetitiv e b us ine ss  prac t ices".  Mo stof themanager s  Iwo r k e dfor who were comfo rt a b le  with th at typ e  o fa pproachwe reexac t l y the  rea s on  I
wante d to e s ca pe  into t he  start up  wo rld  andn ever  lookback atcorpo r ate life
again .  So, if you w a nt t oc alltha t 'timid',go a h ead.  I'd ra the r  do m y own 
t h in g , make a good produ ct  and t ry av oid "doing ev il" as muc h a s I can.  Thi s 
p r obably soundsclich ed or like I'm tryi ng to  win som e brownie p oints bu t i t's 
ac tua l l yhow I think.I t 's n ot  worthitfor metoliv e i n t ha t kind of 
"assert iv el yco mpe titiv e " way th at  Ise e m y fat h er and  hiscoll ea gu e s l iving - or w orki ng ,I sh oul dsay.That fee ls like  the oldway of d oi ng  things .

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gru se om
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sriram k I'm  shoc ke d he  didn't  even try to conta c t O nity. He's tr yin g as c r ib e
m o ti v ati on s  an d possible behavi or just ba se d  o n his read i ngof  the lo ck mark et
-w e haveno idea w hether On it y wo u l d h ave actedin thisway. Perh a ps th e y' d
hav e s crambl ed  to  cont act ho t els ? Ormaybeth ey'd h ave d is regarded  it.

We have no way of  knowi ng be cau se he nev era tte mpted todo t he right t hin g.
~~~luu Don't  weh av e a goodidea how theyw ou ldh a ve  respondedf r o m h ow th ey' v e
actu ally  responded? It to o k four monthsanda hug e p u blic  b acklash before  th ey a cquiesce dto demandsfor repl ac e ments 
 about_assertively competitive_business practices.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let's_get_ready_to_rumble>!

~~~
french
Sounds like the_Bill Gates_school_of IT._The_YC startup community_has a
different set_of social mores which_emphasize usefulness of_the_product, a
certain trendiness with respect to what else is happening in the current web
2.0_world._We are_not_really_the budding monopolist types. Yes,_there is a
certain timidness in_the YC_community about the dark art of business. But
that's_mainly_because most of_us have never worked :)

~~~
sorp
Well, I've worked in the_business world. But I have no_interest in
"assertively competitive_business_practices"._Most of the managers_I worked
for who were comfortable with_that type of approach were exactly_the reason I
wanted to escape into the_startup world and never look back_at corporate life
again. So, if_you want_to call that 'timid', go_ahead. I'd rather_do my_own
thing, make a_good product and try avoid "doing_evil" as much_as I can. This
probably sounds cliched_or_like I'm trying_to_win_some brownie_points but it's
actually_how_I think._It's_not worth it for me to_live_in that kind of
"assertively competitive" way that_I see my father_and_his colleagues living -
or_working, I should say. That_feels like the old way of_doing things.

------
gruseom
Evidence?

_

Responsible Disclosure_Can Be Anything But - daeken
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======
sriramk
I'm shocked he didn't even try_to contact Onity. He's trying ascribe
motivations_and possible behavior just_based on_his_reading of the_lock_market
- we_have no idea whether Onity would have_acted in_this way. Perhaps they'd
have scrambled to_contact hotels? Or maybe_they'd_have disregarded it.

We have no way_of knowing because he never attempted_to do the right thing.

~~~
luu
Don't_we_have_a good idea how they_would have responded from how they've
actually_responded? It took_four months and a huge public backlash_before_they
acquiesced to demands for replacements