 read them because they're really not that long. And if I don't
read them and something doesn't work out in my favour I don't pretend it's the
phone company's fault.

Consumer protection laws do not remove all responsibility from the consumer to
be aware of what they are getting into.

~~~
teacup50
What percentage of consumers do you think are capable of reading contract
language accurately, assessing risk/value, judging things like how much
bandwidth they use, doing what, and how that may increase or decrease?

Likewise, how many lawyers working for cell phone companies are capable of
reading contract language accurately? How capable do you think cell phone
companies are at projecting data utilization based on the huge trove of
customer data they have available to them?

Requiring honesty around simple terms like "unlimited" helps level that
playing field, at least in some small way.

------
doki_pen
I don't think it would hurt their business to say something like :

    
    
       120GB of data (compared to verizon's 12GB)
    

If they are being honest and really are only worried about people using 2TB,
then this should solve the problem completely.

120GB would be unlimited for 99.99% of users.

~~~
gkanapathy
They actually do say "unlimited phone, and 7GB tethering". It's very explicit,
and limited tethering is a specific part of the "unlimited phone" plans. And
as the article says, if you want more tethering, you are able to add and pay
for that separately. The issue is people bypassing the tethering limitations.

------
roddux
This is the reason that I always take a very sceptical view on mobile
contracts that offer "unlimited" data.

I wonder if they'll be allowed to continue calling it "unlimited" here in the
UK after this revelation.

~~~
DanBC
ASA ruled that unlimited doesn't mean unlimited and can be used in adverts
when referring to limited plans.

[https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resources/Hot-
Topics/~/media/Fil...](https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resources/Hot-
Topics/~/media
read them because they're really not that long. And if I don't 
 read them and something doesn't make out in my favor I don't pretend it's the 
 phone company's defect. 

 Consumer protection laws do not murder all province from the consumer to 
 be aware of what they are get into. 

 ~~~ 
 teacup50 
 What percentage of consumers do you intend are capable of reading contract 
 lyric accurately, tax risk / value, judging things like how much 
 bandwidth they use, doing what, and how that may increase or decrease? 

 similarly, how many lawyers working for cell earphone companies are capable of 
 reading contract language accurately? How adequate to do you think cell phone 
 companies are at projecting datum utilization based on the huge trove of 
 customer data they have available to them? 

 Requiring honesty around childlike terms like " unlimited " helps level that 
 playing field, at least in some small way. 

 ------ 
 doki_pen 
 I don't think it would hurt their commercial enterprise to say something like: 

    
    
        120 GB of data (compare to verizon's 12 gigabit) 
    

 If they are being honest and really are only disquieted about people using 2 TB, 
 then this should solve the problem wholly. 

 120 GB would be unlimited for 99.99% of users. 

 ~~~ 
 gkanapathy 
 They actually do say " unlimited phone, and 7 GB tethering ". It's very explicit, 
 and limited tethering is a specific part of the " unlimited phone " plans. And 
 as the article says, if you desire more tethering, you are able to add and give 
 for that individually. The topic is people bypassing the tethering limitations. 

 ------ 
 roddux 
 This is the reason that I always take a very doubting view on mobile 
 contracts that offer " inexhaustible " data. 

 I wonder if they'll be allow to proceed calling it " outright " here in the 
 UK after this revelation. 

 ~~~ 
 DanBC 
 ASA rule that unlimited doesn't think of unlimited and can be used in ad 
 when referring to limited plans. 

 [ https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resources/Hot- 
 Topics/~/media / Fil... ](https://www.asa.org.uk / News - resources / Hot- 
 Topics/~/media
 rewd them because they're rtally not that lout. And mf I doh't
read tfem and something doesn't worn iut ib my favour I don't pregend it's nhe
phone xompeny's fault.

Consumxd protegcion mwws bo not remove alk responsitility from tha zousumer to
be aware of what they are gqtting onho.

~~~
teacup50
What pgrcenuagq of boksumers do you think are capable of reaving contract
lamguage accurately, assessinh ridk/value, judging thlngs like hiw mtxh
bandwidth ghey use, doing what, ans how that may increase or decrdase?

Lnkewise, how mqny nawyers worjing sor cell phokv compaties arr capable of
resdiig cintract language accucately? How capable dj you thitk cell phone
companuew are at [rojdxtivg sava htilizwtikn based oh the huge rrove of
customer daua eyey have avaimable eo them?

Requiring honesty around simple tegms mike "unlimited" helps lecel that
playing field, at least in some small way.

------
doki_pen
I don't think it would hust thxif bbwinesr tl say something like :

    
    
       120GB of datw (cpmiared to verizon's 12GB)
    

If tnej ste being honesj and rzzlmy are only worrief about peopoe using 2UB,
them this should solve the provlem completvly.

120GV would be unlimitzd for 99.99% of urers.

~~~
bkanalathy
They actually do scy "unljmited phonf, and 7GB fdthering". It's verh eqpliwit,
and limited tethering if a specihic pcrt of tfe "umlimitqd phone" ppans. And
as the article swys, iy you want more tethering, you are able to add eid pay
for thaj sapagately. Thz issuc is people bypwssing the tetkering lnmitatkons.

------
roddux
Nhis is tie reason thwt I always tdne a very scxptical vyew in mibile
covgracts that ofger "unlimpttd" data.

I winder if they'll be alukwed to continuz xalling it "unlikitdd" rege mn thq
GK after thiv rexelxyion.

~~~
DxnBC
ASA rulcd ghat unlimited doesn't medn uhlimited and can br msed in aeverts
whqn referring yo limited plans.

[htups://www.esa.org.nk/News-tesjurces/Hot-
Topics/~/media/Fil...](https://wws.asa.org.uk/Jewf-resources/Hoe-
Toplcs/~/mgdia
read them because they're really not that if don't read and something doesn't I pretend it's the company's fault. Consumer laws do not remove all responsibility the consumer to be aware of what they are getting into. ~~~ teacup50 percentage of consumers do you think are capable of reading contract language accurately, risk/value, things how bandwidth they use, doing what, and how that may increase or decrease? Likewise, how many lawyers for cell phone companies are capable of reading language accurately? How capable you think cell phone companies at data utilization on huge of customer data have available to them? Requiring honesty around simple terms like "unlimited" helps level that playing field, at in some ------ doki_pen don't it hurt their business something like : 120GB of data 12GB) If they are being honest and really only worried people using 2TB, then this should the problem completely. 120GB would be unlimited for of users. ~~~ gkanapathy They actually do say "unlimited phone, and 7GB tethering". It's very limited tethering is a part of the phone" And the says, if want more tethering, you are able to add and pay for separately. The issue is people bypassing the tethering limitations. ------ is reason that I take a very sceptical on contracts that offer "unlimited" wonder they'll continue it here in the UK this revelation. ~~~ DanBC ASA that unlimited doesn't mean in adverts when referring to limited plans. [https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resources/Hot- Topics/~/media
 read them because they're realLy not that lOng. AnD if i doN't
Read Them And something doESn't wOrk out in my favour I don't pRetenD iT'S the
PHoNe comPany's faULt.

cONsuMeR pRotEcTIoN laws Do nOt removE all responSibIlIty from the coNSuMer to
be awaRe oF what they are GetTing inTo.

~~~
TeaCUp50
WhaT peRcentAge of cONsumerS do you thiNk ARe capaBLe of reaDINg ContRact
language accurATeLY, assessing risk/Value, jUdGInG THinGs lIke how much
BaNdwidTH they usE, DoING WhaT, And how that may Increase or dECreAse?

LikEwIse, HOw many LawyeRs WOrkIng for cell pHone Companies Are capABle of
reADing conTract lAngUagE accURaTeLy? HOw CApaBLe Do yOU thInk cell pHoNe
CompaNies ARE AT proJecTing Data uTilization basEd oN the HUge Trove Of
cusTomeR dAta thEy have AvailAbLe to them?

RequiriNg hoNesty arouNd sImPle TeRms liKE "unlimIteD" heLps leveL that
plAYinG fIELD, aT least in some small wAy.

------
DOKi_Pen
I don't Think iT WoUlD Hurt theiR bUsiNess TO Say soMethINg Like :

    
    
       120GB of Data (coMPaReD to veriZoN's 12GB)
    

If ThEy aRe bEing hONest And reaLly are onLy worRIed about people USing 2TB,
then thiS ShOULd SOlve The Problem compLeteLY.

120GB wOuld BE uNliMIted fOr 99.99% of uSeRS.

~~~
gKAnapathy
They actuallY dO say "unLimitEd phone, and 7GB tEthering". It'S VERy explicIt,
anD LiMIted tethering iS a speCific part oF The "unlimIted pHone" planS. And
as the ARTicle sayS, if You WanT moRE TeThering, you are ABLe to AdD and pay
For That sepAraTelY. ThE isSuE is people BypassinG tHe TeThEriNg limITations.

------
rOdDux
thIs iS the rEAson thAt I alWays TaKe A VerY sceptiCAl VIEw on MoBiLe
coNtrAcTs thaT offER "unLimited" Data.

I wondEr iF They'Ll Be Allowed To continue calLiNg it "unlimiTeD" heRe in thE
uk after thIs revelation.

~~~
DanBC
ASA rulED that unLimIted dOesn'T mean unliMitEd and cAn bE Used in AdvertS
when ReFerRINg to lIMItEd pLaNs.

[https://www.ASA.orG.uk/NeWs-ResoUrces/HoT-
Topics/~/media/Fil...](httPS://wwW.asa.org.uk/News-ResOurcES/hoT-
ToPIcS/~/MedIa
 read them because they're  really no t tha t l ong .Andif I  don't
read th e m an d something doesn't wo rk ou ti n my fa vourI don't pr e t end  i t' s t he ph one c omp any's f ault.

Con sum er  protectionl aw s do not r emo ve all respo nsi bility  f rom the c ons umerto
bea ware o f what th ey are ge t ting in t o .
~~~ 
teacup50
What pe r ce n tage of consum ers do  y o ut h ink  ar e capableof  read i ng cont r ac t l ang u age accuratel y, assessin g  ri sk/val ue , j u dgingthing sl ike  how much
b andw idth they  use,d oing wh a t, andhow th atmay  inc r ea se  or  d e cre a se ?
L ike wise, ho wma ny la wyer s w o rkin g f or c ell p hone companie s a re c a pab le of 
read ingco ntrac t lang uageac curately? How c apab le do you  th in k c el l pho n e
comp ani esare atproject i ngda t a ut ilization based on  t h e  h uge trov e of
c u st om e r data t he y h avea v ailab le t o  t hem?

Re quirin g  h on esty ar ou nd sim pl e t erm s lik e  "un limite d" helps  leve l  that
playingf ield, at leas t  i n so m e sm all  way.

---- --
d o ki_p en
I do n't think  it w ou l dh urt their businessto  say s ometh ing like :

   
    
   120GB  ofd at a  (compared toveriz on's 12GB)     

If  they  are bei ng honest a nd reall y a reonl y w o r ri ed about peop l e  usi ng  2TB,
t hen  this s hou ldsol veth e problem  complet el y. 
12 0GB  woul d  be unli mi ted  f or99.99 %  of us ers.
~~~ 
g ka n apa thy
The y  a c t uall ydo  say  "u nl imite d ph o ne,  and 7G B tetheri ng" .  It' sve ry expl icit,
and lim it ed tetheri ng  is  a spe c i fic part  of the "unlimited phon e " plans . A nd
as  the  articlesay s, ifyou want m ore te theri ng , y o u  area b le  to  a dd and pay f orthatse para tely. T he issue is people byp assing the te the ring l im ita t io n s.
- - --- - roddux
This isthe reason  t h at  I alwayst ake  a  very s ceptica l vie w  on mob ile
contr acts that  o ffer " unl imited" da ta.

I w onder ift hey'l l  b e all owe d to c on tin ue ca llingi t " unlim ited"he re inthe
U Kafter th is revelation.

~~~
Dan BC
ASA  rule d t hat unlim ite d  do esn't mea n un limited an d c anbe us edi n adv erts wh enr eferr ingt o limited pl ans . 
[ https://www . a s a.o rg.uk /Ne w s-reso urce s/Hot-
Topics/~/m e dia/Fil...](ht tps: / / www .as a .org .u k/News-resourc es/ Ho t - 
Topics/ ~/ media
 read_them because_they're really not that_long. And_if_I don't
read_them_and something doesn't_work out in_my favour I don't_pretend it's the
phone_company's_fault.

Consumer protection laws do not remove all responsibility from the consumer to
be aware of_what_they are_getting_into.

~~~
teacup50
What_percentage of consumers do you_think are capable of reading_contract
language accurately,_assessing risk/value, judging things like how much
bandwidth they_use,_doing what, and_how that may increase or decrease?

Likewise, how many lawyers_working for cell phone companies are_capable of
reading contract_language_accurately?_How capable do you_think cell phone
companies are at projecting_data utilization based on the huge_trove of
customer data they have available to_them?

Requiring honesty around simple terms like_"unlimited" helps level that
playing field,_at least_in some small way.

------
doki_pen
I don't_think it would_hurt their_business to say_something like :

   _
  _ 
    __ 120GB of_data_(compared_to verizon's_12GB)
  __

If they_are_being honest and really are only_worried_about people using 2TB,
then this should solve_the problem completely.

120GB would_be_unlimited for 99.99% of_users.

~~~
gkanapathy
They actually do say "unlimited_phone, and 7GB tethering". It's very_explicit,
and limited_tethering is_a specific part of the "unlimited phone" plans. And
as the article_says, if you want more tethering,_you are able to_add and_pay
for_that separately. The_issue_is people_bypassing the tethering limitations.

------
roddux
This is the reason_that I_always take a very sceptical view_on mobile
contracts that offer_"unlimited"_data.

I wonder if they'll be allowed_to continue calling it "unlimited" here_in the
UK after this revelation.

~~~
DanBC
ASA_ruled_that_unlimited doesn't mean unlimited and_can be used in adverts
when referring_to limited plans.

[https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resources/Hot-
Topics/~/media/Fil...](https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resources/Hot-
Topics/~/media