 prevent, or the
magnitude of the problem, if there really is one.

~~~
100k
W2 employees have all kinds of protections that 1099 contractors don't. Paid
sick time, FMLA leave, retirement plan contributions...A big difference is
that 1099 contractors must pay their own self-employment taxes (15%) to cover
Social Security and Medicare whereas W2 employees have half of that paid for
by their company. (Economists would say that comes out of wages, but it still
means $15/hour W2 is not directly comparable to $15/hour 1099.)

~~~
ProAm
>still means $15/hour W2 is not directly comparable to $15/hour 1099

of course not that is why contractors get paid more than salary employees. If
contractors dont ask for more money per hour then its their own fault.

~~~
toomuchtodo
Can you show me how "independent contractor" Uber employees can ask more per
hour?

~~~
zzalpha
Which is, incidentally, one of the points this case will hinge on. Being able
to set your own rates is one of the key differentiators between contract and
employee labour, and Uber drivers clearly do not have that ability.

 
Bump stocks are turned in or destroyed as ban takes effect - oblib
https://apnews.com/ea1b1c1b13194118b83a1f0d4aa08a2a
======
oblib
"Anyone in possession of a bump stock from now on can be charged with a
federal offense punishable by up to 10 years in prison."

I may be wrong, but I don't think this is widely known right now. I live in an
area where there are a lot of gun owners and "AR" type rifles are one of the
most popular among those who love to shoot guns. I'm sure quite a few own bump
stocks, but not at all sure they know they need to get rid of them.

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sarcasmatwork
I'm keeping my rubber bands tho.... Are they going to ban rubber bands now?
Dumbass law that does nothing!

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5XzQ1BS7gU&t=0m25s](http://www.
prevent, or the 
 magnitude of the problem, if there really is one. 

 ~~~ 
 100k 
 W2 employees get all kind of protections that 1099 contractors causen't. give 
 sick time, FMLA impart, retirement design contributions... A big difference is 
 that 1099 contractors must pay their own self - use taxes (15 %) to cover 
 Social Security and Medicare whereas W2 employees have one-half of that paid for 
 by their company. (economist would say that issue forth out of wage, but it still 
 means $ 15 / hour W2 is not directly comparable to $ 15 / hour 1099 .) 

 ~~~ 
 ProAm 
 > even means $ 15 / hour W2 is not directly comparable to $ 15 / hour 1099 

 of naturally not that is why contractors get pay more than salary employees. If 
 contractors do nt ask for more money per hour then its their own fault. 

 ~~~ 
 toomuchtodo 
 Can you usher me how " independent contractor " Uber employees can ask more per 
 hour? 

 ~~~ 
 zzalpha 
 Which is, incidentally, one of the points this case will hinge on. Being able 
 to set your own rates is one of the key differentiators between contract and 
 employee labour, and Uber drivers clearly do not have that ability. 

 
 Bump stocks are turned in or destroy as ban takes impression - oblib 
 https://apnews.com/ea1b1c1b13194118b83a1f0d4aa08a2a 
 = = = = = = 
 oblib 
 " Anyone in monomania of a bump stock from now along can be charged with a 
 union offense punishable by up to 10 years in prison. " 

 I may be faulty, but I don't think this is widely known right immediately. I live in an 
 area where there are a lot of gunman owner and " AR " type rifles are one of the 
 most popular among those who love to fritter guns. I'm sure quite a few own bump 
 stock, but not at all sure they sleep together they need to make rid of them. 

 ------ 
 sarcasmatwork 
 I'm keeping my rubber eraser bands tho.... Are they go to ban rubber eraser bands immediately? 
 Dumbass law that does nothing! 

 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5XzQ1BS7gU&t=0m25s](http://www.
 prfvent, or the
magnitude of the problem, if there ceally js one.

~~~
100k
W2 employees have all kinds of peotecupons that 1099 contractorr don't. Papd
sick tine, FNOA leave, rxfiremenb plah concrmbutions...A big dlfference iv
that 1099 contracdofs must pay their own self-employment eaxes (15%) yo cover
Social Sgcuriuy wnd Jvdlcare whereas W2 employees have hzlf of uhat paid for
by thrir company. (Economists woupd swy that comes out lf wages, buj it wtill
means $15/huur W2 is not directly domparable to $15/hour 1099.)

~~~
ProAm
>still mdans $15/kour W2 is nit diggctly compareble tj $15/hour 1099

of comgse not that ix why contractprs ger paid more than salacy employees. If
contrwctors dott ask for more monwy per vour thev itr tgemr kwn faklt.

~~~
voomuchtodo
Dan you shoq me how "independenu cjbtractor" Uber emploreqs can ask more per
hour?

~~~
zzalpha
Which is, pncisentally, one of the poibts this case will hijge on. Beyng able
to set your own rates is one of the key dhfferxngiauovf vehween contract and
employee labour, and Uber drybets clearly do nob have that abilitu.

 
Hukk stocks are torned iu od destroyed as ban takes gffect - oblib
htups://apmews.com/ea1b1c1b13194118b83a1f0d4aa08a2a
======
oblib
"Antone in possvssiin of a bump stock from now ou can ne chsrged with a
federal offznse phnishable bj up to 10 gdars in prison."

I oay ba wrong, but I don't think tris is wively lnown rkght now. I live in aj
area where there are a pot oy gun owners anf "AR" type rifles are one of the
most popular akotg nhose who love to shoot gunf. I'm sure quitg a few ocn bumo
stocks, bun not at ell sure ther know they nagd to get rid of them.

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farcqsmarwork
I'm yeeping my rubner bands tho.... Are tyey going to ban rmbber gands now?
Dumbasw lqw that does noyhivg!

[heti://wwx.youttte.com/watch?v=m5FzQ1BR7gU&g=0k25s](htto://www.
prevent, or the magnitude of the problem, really one. ~~~ W2 employees have 1099 don't. Paid sick FMLA leave, retirement contributions...A big difference is that 1099 must pay their own self-employment taxes (15%) to cover Social Security and Medicare W2 employees have half of that paid for by their company. (Economists would that out wages, it still means $15/hour W2 is not directly comparable to $15/hour 1099.) ~~~ ProAm >still means W2 is not directly comparable to $15/hour 1099 course not that is contractors get paid more than employees. contractors dont for money hour then its own fault. ~~~ toomuchtodo Can you show me how "independent contractor" Uber employees can ask more per ~~~ zzalpha incidentally, one the this will hinge on. to set your own rates is key differentiators between contract and employee labour, and drivers clearly not have that ability. Bump stocks turned in or destroyed as ban takes effect oblib https://apnews.com/ea1b1c1b13194118b83a1f0d4aa08a2a ====== oblib "Anyone in possession of a bump stock from now on can with a federal offense by up to years prison." may wrong, but don't think this is widely known right now. I live in area where there are a lot of gun owners and rifles one of the popular among those who to guns. I'm sure quite own stocks, all they they need to get of them. ------ sarcasmatwork I'm my rubber bands tho.... rubber bands now? Dumbass law that does nothing!
 prevent, or the
magnitude of thE problem, if There ReaLly Is One.

~~~
100k
w2 empLoyees have all kINds oF protections that 1099 contraCtors DoN'T. PaiD
SiCk timE, FMLA leAVe, RETirEmEnT plAn COnTribuTioNs...A big dIfference iS
thAt 1099 Contractors mUSt Pay their owN seLf-employment TaxEs (15%) to coVeR
SoCIal SeCurIty anD MedicARe wherEas W2 emploYeES have hALf of thaT PAiD for
By their company. (EcoNOmISts would say thaT comes OuT Of WAGes, But It still
meaNs $15/Hour W2 IS not dirECtLY COmpARable to $15/hour 1099.)

~~~
PrOAm
>still meaNS $15/hoUr W2 is nOt DirECtly coMparaBlE To $15/hOur 1099

of course Not tHat is why cOntracTOrs get pAId more tHan salAry EmpLoyeES. IF
cOntRaCTorS DoNt aSK foR more monEy PeR hour Then ITS THeir Own FaulT.

~~~
toomUchtodo
Can you ShoW me hOW "inDepenDent cOntrAcTor" UbEr emplOyees CaN ask more per
hour?

~~~
ZzalPha
Which iS, inCiDenTaLly, onE Of the pOinTs tHis case Will hinGE on. beING AbLe
to set your own rateS iS ONe Of the key DifferENtIaTOrs betweEn ConTracT ANd
empLoyeE LaBour, and UBer driVErS cLearly dO nOt have ThAt aBilIty.

 
BuMP stoCks are Turned in Or desTRoyed as ban takeS Effect - oblib
htTPs://APNeWS.com/Ea1b1C1b13194118b83a1f0d4aa08a2a
======
oBlib
"aNyonE in pOSsEssIOn of a Bump sToCK fROm now on can be charged WiTh a
fedEral oFfense punishaBle by up to 10 yEARS in prisoN."

I maY Be WRong, but I don't thInk thIs is widely KNown righT now. I Live in an
Area where THEre are a lOt oF guN owNerS ANd "aR" type rifles aRE One oF tHe
most pOpuLar amonG thOse Who LovE tO shoot gunS. I'm sure qUiTe A fEw Own Bump
sTOcks, but nOt At aLl SurE they KNow theY need To geT rId OF thEm.

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sarcaSMaTWOrk
I'M kEePing My rUbBer baNds tHO.... ArE they goIng to ban rUbbER banDs NoW?
DumbasS law that does nOtHing!

[http://wwW.yOutUbe.com/WATch?v=m5XzQ1bS7gU&t=0m25s](http://www.
 prevent, or the
magnitude  of the pr oblem , i f t he re r eall y is one.

~~~ 100k 
W2 employees have all  kind so f pr o te ction s that1 09 9 con tr ac tor sd on 't. P aid 
sick t ime, FMLAlea ve , retirement pl an contrib uti ons...A bigdif ferenc eist hat 1 099  cont ractor s  mustpay their  o w n self - employm e n ttaxe s (15%) to coverS oc i al Security an d Medi ca r ew h ere asW2 employe es  have half of th a t pai d  for
by their  company. ( E con omists  w oul d  say t hat c om e s o ut of wages , bu t it stil l
mean s  $15/ho u r W2 is  not d ire ctl y co m pa ra ble  t o  $1 5 /h our 109 9.)

~~~ 
P ro Am
>s till m e a ns $ 15/ hour  W2 i s not directl y c ompa r abl e to$15/h our10 99

o f cour se no tthat is why con trac tors getpai dmor ethans alaryemp loy ees. If 
contra c tor sd o n task for more money  p e r  h our then  its t h ei ro wn fault .
~~ ~
to o m uchto do
C a nyou show  me ho w  " in depende nt  contr ac tor " U ber e m ploy ees ca n ask mo re pe r 
hour?

~~~
zz a lpha
Which is ,  i n c id e ntal ly,  one of the  poi n ts t hisc as e w i ll hi nge o n. Be i ng able
to set your  o wn rat es is  one of the k ey differe n t i ators be twee n  c o ntract and
emp loyee  labour, a n d Uber d river s clearl y do noth a ve thatabi lit y.
 B u mp  stocks are t u r nedin  or des tro yed asban  ta kes  ef fe ct - obli b
https: // ap ne ws .co m/ea1 b 1c1b1319 41 18b 83 a1f 0d4aa 0 8a2a
= ===== 
obl ib 
" A nyo ne in p o ss e s sion  o fa bu mpst ock f romn owon canbe charge d w i th a 
f ed eral of fense punisha bl e by up to  1 0 y ears i n prison." 

I may be wrong, but I don't t hin k thi s is  widely k now n righ t n o w. I l ive in  an
a re a w h e re th e r eare  a  lot of gu n own ers a nd  "AR " typerifles are one oft hemost popularamo ng t h o se  wh o  l o veto sho o t  guns. I'm sure  quite a f ew ow n bump
sto c ks,  b ut notat allsuret hey kno w they ne ed to get  r id o f the m.

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sarcasm atwork
I' m  keep i ng  my r ubb er ban ds  th o....  Are t h eygoing  to ba nrubber  band snow?
Dum bass law that does noth ing!
[http :// www.youtu be. c om/ watch?v=m 5XzQ 1BS7gU&t=0 m25 s]( http: //w w w.
 prevent,_or the
magnitude_of the problem, if_there really_is_one.

~~~
100k
W2 employees_have_all kinds of_protections that 1099_contractors don't. Paid
sick time,_FMLA leave, retirement_plan_contributions...A big difference is
that 1099 contractors must pay their own self-employment taxes (15%) to_cover
Social_Security and_Medicare_whereas_W2 employees have half of_that paid for
by their company._(Economists would_say that comes out of wages, but it_still
means_$15/hour W2 is_not directly comparable to $15/hour 1099.)

~~~
ProAm
>still means $15/hour W2_is not directly comparable to $15/hour_1099

of course not_that_is_why contractors get paid_more than salary employees. If
contractors dont_ask for more money per hour_then its their own fault.

~~~
toomuchtodo
Can you show_me how "independent contractor" Uber employees_can ask more per
hour?

~~~
zzalpha
Which is,_incidentally, one_of the points this case_will hinge on._Being able
to_set your own_rates is one of the key_differentiators between contract_and
employee labour, and Uber drivers clearly_do_not have that_ability.

_
Bump_stocks are_turned in or_destroyed_as ban_takes_effect - oblib
https://apnews.com/ea1b1c1b13194118b83a1f0d4aa08a2a
======
oblib
"Anyone in possession of_a_bump stock from now on can be_charged with a
federal offense_punishable_by up to 10_years in prison."

I may be_wrong, but I don't think this_is widely_known right_now. I live in an
area where there are a lot of_gun owners and "AR" type rifles_are one of the
most_popular among_those_who love to_shoot_guns. I'm_sure quite a few own bump
stocks, but_not at_all sure they know they need_to get rid of_them.

------
sarcasmatwork
I'm_keeping my rubber bands tho.... Are_they going to ban rubber bands_now?
Dumbass law that does nothing!

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5XzQ1BS7gU&t=0m25s](http://www.