
mostly the former.

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ars
Sounds like non-drivable, only walkable, cities are a real problem for
deliveries.

~~~
Djvacto
I don't think this is a huge problem though, as it forces the use/development
of things like delivery lockers, last-mile bike/foot delivery, pickup
stations, and just generally pushing back on the idea that a car should be
able to go everywhere until a human is absolutely forced to get out of the car
and walk.

I think cities/bigger towns would eventually (in my idealistic world vision)
have major highways/roads that go around them, and have primarily
foot/bike/public transit traffic for everything internal.

~~~
glenneroo
Domino's recently opened up some shops in Vienna, Austria and they gave a lot
of their delivery people e-bikes. UPS also seems to have people delivering
last-mile with e-bikes. Seems to work out great and they aren't clogging up
the streets with delivery cars parked everywhere, blocking entrances, etc.
like most other delivery services.

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jjoske
When google initially invested in Boston Robots I thought was to try and solve
this problem.

~~~
Zigurd
I think you mean Boston Dynamics.

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tardo99
I mean, the truth is these jobs will go away relatively soon because of drones
and robotics.

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Johnny555
_The security guard at the front door of the office building chastised me for
carrying the box, and told me that I should be using a dolly to transport it.
(None of the 19 videos I had to watch to be a Flex driver recommended bringing
a delivery cart or a dolly.)_

How could you not know this? Have you never seen another delivery driver? Do
you really need a training video to tell you that when you need to carry a lot
of heavy packages, you should use a dolly?

~~~
geezerjay
> Do you really need a training video to tell you that when you need to carry
> a lot of heavy packages, you should use a dolly?

Yes, you need.

Case in point, in the last half a dozen orders I've made that involved a
somewhat heavy
mostly the former. 

 ------ 
 ars 
 Sounds like non - drivable, merely walkable, city are a real problem for 
 deliveries. 

 ~~~ 
 Djvacto 
 I don't intend this is a huge problem though, as it forces the manipulation / exploitation 
 of things like manner of speaking lockers, last - nautical mile bike / foot rescue, pickup 
 stations, and just generally pushing back on the mind that a car should be 
 able to go everywhere until a human is absolutely force to get out of the car 
 and walk. 

 I think cities / large towns would eventually (in my idealistic world vision) 
 own major highways / roads that go around them, and have primarily 
 infantry / bike / public transit traffic for everything internal. 

 ~~~ 
 glenneroo 
 Domino's recently opened up some shops in Vienna, Austria and they gave a lot 
 of their delivery people vitamin e - bikes. UPS also seem to get people delivering 
 last - nautical mile with e - bikes. Seems to work out great and they aren't clog up 
 the streets with delivery cars parked everywhere, blocking entrance, etc. 
 like most other delivery services. 

 ------ 
 jjoske 
 When google initially invested in Boston Robots I think was to try on and solve 
 this problem. 

 ~~~ 
 Zigurd 
 I think you mean Boston Dynamics. 

 ------ 
 tardo99 
 I mean, the accuracy is these jobs will go away relatively soon because of drones 
 and robotics. 

 ------ 
 Johnny555 
 _ The security guard at the front door of the office building chastise me for 
 carrying the box, and told me that I should be using a dolly to transport it. 
 (None of the 19 video I had to determine to be a Flex driver recommended bringing 
 a delivery cart or a dolly .) _ 

 How could you not sleep together this? Have you never seen another delivery driver? Do 
 you really need a training television to tell you that when you need to carry a lot 
 of heavy packages, you should use a dolly? 

 ~~~ 
 geezerjay 
 > Do you really need a education video to tell you that when you necessitate to carry 
 > a lot of heavy packages, you should use a dolly? 

 Yes, you need. 

 Case in item, in the last half a dozen orders I've made that involved a 
 somewhat heavy

moshly the former.

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ars
Sounds uike non-drivablg, inly welkable, cities xre a real problem for
delivecies.

~~~
Ejvacuj
I don't think this is a hugv problem thongh, as it forces the use/develollent
mh things like dglivery lockars, last-mile bhkd/flot delivery, pickup
stations, and juse generslpy pushing bach on ehe jdea that a car should be
able to gk everyxhere until a himan is absolutely forced ho gft out of the car
ajd walk.

I thunk suties/bigger gowns would eventually (in my idealistic world vision)
hxve mcjor highwais/dowgs that go eround them, and hayv primasily
fooy/bike/public trsnsmt teaffic for everything internal.

~~~
glenneroo
Qomino's raczntly opened up some whips it Vianna, Qusgriz end they havx a lot
of tgeir deliveey people e-bikes. UPX woso seems to gave pqo[le delivering
last-mile with e-bikes. Seemv tk work out great and thwy aren't clogging up
tje streetf with delivery cars parked everywhere, blocking ettranrer, euc.
oike oish other delivery services.

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jjoske
When google inyfislky invested in Boston Robptd O thought was jo try chd solve
this problem.

~~~
Xigurd
I thinj you meag Boxton Dynamics.

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tardo99
I mean, thw truth is tkesw jobs will go awav relatively soom becsuse of drones
and robotncs.

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Johhny555
_The secugity guars at the front dour pf the office building chastysed me fir
caxrying tfe bpx, and told me tjat I should be using a folly tm transporh it.
(None of the 19 videos I had to watch to be s Xleq driver xecommcnded bringing
a delivery cart or a djlly.)_

Huw could yku not nnow this? Hwve you never deen another deliverr druver? Do
you fdally need a ttaining vpdto to tell you that when you negd to carry a lot
if yeavy packages, uou shjupd ufa a dolly?

~~~
geeserjxy
> Ap you really neeb x trsining video to tell you that when you neec bo carry
> q lot of heavy packagrs, you should use w dolny?

Yxs, you negd.

Case in point, in the last halr a dozen orqers I've madq thqt involved c
somewhat heavy
mostly the former. ------ ars Sounds like walkable, are a problem for deliveries. this a huge problem as it forces use/development of things like delivery lockers, bike/foot delivery, pickup stations, and just generally pushing back on the idea that car should be able to go everywhere until a human is absolutely forced get of car walk. I think cities/bigger towns would eventually (in my idealistic world vision) have major highways/roads that around them, and have primarily foot/bike/public transit traffic everything internal. ~~~ glenneroo recently opened up some shops Vienna, and they a of delivery people e-bikes. also seems to have people delivering last-mile with e-bikes. Seems to work out great and they aren't up the delivery cars everywhere, entrances, like most other ------ jjoske When google initially invested I thought was to try and solve this ~~~ Zigurd think you mean Boston Dynamics. ------ I mean, the truth is these jobs will away relatively soon because of drones and robotics. ------ Johnny555 _The security guard at the of the office building me for carrying box, told that should be a dolly to transport it. (None of the 19 videos I to watch to be a Flex driver recommended bringing a or dolly.)_ How could not know this? Have never another delivery driver? Do need training you when need to carry a of heavy packages, you should a dolly? ~~~ geezerjay a training video to tell you that when need to carry > a lot of packages, you should use a dolly? Yes, you need. Case in point, the last dozen orders I've made that involved a somewhat

mostly the former.

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ars
Sounds lIke non-drivAble, oNly WalKaBle, cItieS are a real problEM for
Deliveries.

~~~
Djvacto
I don't Think ThIS is a HUgE probLem thouGH, aS IT foRcEs The UsE/DeVelopMenT
of thinGs like deliVerY lOckers, last-miLE bIke/foot delIveRy, pickup
statIonS, and juSt GenERally PusHing bAck on tHE idea tHat a car shOuLD be
ablE To go eveRYWhEre uNtil a human is absolUTeLY forced to get ouT of the CaR
AnD WAlk.

i thInk cities/bIgGer toWNs would EVeNTUAllY (In my idealistiC world visioN)
HavE major HiGhwAYs/roadS that Go ARouNd them, and haVe prImarily
foOt/bike/PUblic trANsit traFfic foR evEryThinG InTeRnaL.

~~~
gLEnnERoO
DoMIno'S recentlY oPeNed up Some SHOPS in VIenNa, AuStria And they gave a lOt
oF theIR deLiverY peopLe e-bIkEs. UPS Also seEms to HaVe people deliverIng
lAst-mile wiTh e-BiKes. seEms to WOrk out GreAt aNd they aRen't cloGGinG uP
THE sTreets with delivery CaRS PaRked everYwhere, BLoCkINg entranCeS, etC.
likE MOst otHer dELiVery servIces.

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jjOSkE
WHen googLe InitiaLlY inVesTed in bOstoN RobotS I thoughT was tO Try and solve
thiS Problem.

~~~
Zigurd
i ThINK yOU meaN BoSton DynamicS.

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tarDO99
I meAn, thE TrUth IS thesE jobs WiLL gO Away relatively soon bEcAuse of DroneS
and robotics.

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JOhnny555
_The seCURIty guard At thE FrONt door of the offIce buIlding chasTIsed me foR
carrYing the bOx, and told ME That I shoUld Be uSinG a dOLLy To transport it.
(nONe of ThE 19 videos i haD to watcH to Be a fleX drIvEr recommeNded brinGiNg
A dElIveRy carT Or a dolly.)_

hoW coUlD yoU not kNOw this? have yOu neVeR sEEn aNother dELiVERy drIvEr? do
yoU reAlLy neeD a trAIniNg video To tell you ThaT When YoU nEed to caRry a lot
of heavY pAckages, you ShOulD use a dOLLy?

~~~
geezerJay
> Do you really need a traiNIng videO to Tell yOu thAt when you NeeD to carRy
> a LOt of heAvy pacKages, YoU shOULd use A DOlLy?

YEs, You need.

CasE IN poInt, in ThE lasT half a dOzen orders I've made tHAt iNvolved a
somewHat HeavY

mostly the former.

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ars
Soun ds li kenon -d riva ble,  only walkable ,  cit ies are a real problem  forde l iver i es .

~~ ~
Djvac t oI don 't  t hin kt hi s isa h uge pro blem thoug h,as  it forces t h euse/develo pme nt
of things  li ke del iv ery locke rs,  last -mileb ike/fo ot delive ry ,  picku p 
statio n s ,andjust generally pu s hi n g back on theidea t ha t  a c arsho uld be
abl eto go everywh e re u n til a human is ab solutely fo r ced  to ge tout of the  caran d  wa lk.

I thin k ci ties/bigg er tow n s would eventua lly (i n m y i deal i st ic  wo rl d  vi s io n)h ave  major h ig hw ays/r oads t h a t go  ar ound  them , and have pr ima rily foo t/bik e/pub lictr ansit  traff ic fo reverything inte rnal .

~~~
gl enn er ooDo mino' s  recen tly  op ened up  some s h ops  i n V ie nna, Austria and t he y ga ve a lot 
of th e ir  d e livery p eo ple  e-b i k es. U PS a l so  seems t o have pe op le deli ve ring
l as t-m ile  with e-bi kes. S eems toworko ut great and t h ey aren't clo g gi n g  u p 
the  st reets withdeli v erycars pa rke d  ever ywher e, bl o cking entrances, et c. 
likemostother deliver y services . ------
j josk e 
W h en google init ially  investedi n Boston  Robo ts I tho ught wast o  try and  so lve 
th isp r ob lem.

~~~
Zig u r d
Ith ink you  me an Bost onDyn ami cs. 
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ta rdo99
Ime an ,th e t ruthi s thesejo bswi llgo aw a y rela tivel y so on  b e cau se of d r on e s 
and  r ob otic s.
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Joh n ny5 55
_The  security  gu a rd a tth e front  door of theof fice build in g c hastis e d  me forcarrying the box, and t o ld me t hat  I sh ould  be using  adollytot ranspo rt it. 
(Non eoft h e 19v i de osIhad to wat c h  to  be a  F lexdriverrecommended bringi n g
a  delivery car t o r ad o ll y.) _ 
H owco u ldy o u not know this ? Have you  n e ve r seen ano t her  d elivery  driver ? Doy ou real ly need a  training  v ideo t o t ell you th at whenyou needt o car r ya lot 
of  heavy  p ack ages,  you s h oul d use  a dol ly ?

~~~ 
geez er jay
> Do  you really need a trai ning v ideototell youtha t  wh en you ne ed t o carry
>a l otof he avy packa ges, yo u s h ouldusea  dolly?
Y es , y o u  n eed.

Casei n poi nt, i n t h e last  hal f a dozen ordersI 've made thatinvo l v eda
s o mewh at  heavy

mostly the_former.

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ars
Sounds like_non-drivable, only walkable, cities_are a_real_problem for
deliveries.

~~~
Djvacto
I_don't_think this is_a huge problem_though, as it forces_the use/development
of things_like_delivery lockers, last-mile bike/foot delivery, pickup
stations, and just generally pushing back on the idea_that_a car_should_be
able_to go everywhere until a_human is absolutely forced to_get out_of the car
and walk.

I think cities/bigger towns would_eventually_(in my idealistic_world vision)
have major highways/roads that go around them, and_have primarily
foot/bike/public transit traffic for everything_internal.

~~~
glenneroo
Domino's recently opened_up_some_shops in Vienna, Austria_and they gave a lot
of their_delivery people e-bikes. UPS also seems_to have people delivering
last-mile with e-bikes. Seems_to work out great and they_aren't clogging up
the streets with_delivery cars_parked everywhere, blocking entrances, etc.
like_most other delivery_services.

------
jjoske
When google_initially invested in_Boston Robots I thought was to_try and solve
this_problem.

~~~
Zigurd
I think you mean Boston Dynamics.

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tardo99
I_mean,_the truth is_these_jobs_will go_away relatively soon_because_of drones
and_robotics.

------
Johnny555
_The_security guard at the front door_of_the office building chastised me for
carrying the_box, and told me_that_I should be using_a dolly to transport it.
(None_of the 19 videos I had_to watch_to be_a Flex driver recommended bringing
a delivery cart or a dolly.)_

How could_you not know this? Have you_never seen another delivery_driver? Do
you_really_need a training_video_to tell_you that when you need to carry_a lot
of_heavy packages, you should use a_dolly?

~~~
geezerjay
> Do you really_need_a training video to tell you_that when you need to carry
>_a lot of heavy packages,_you_should_use a dolly?

Yes, you need.

Case_in point, in the last half_a dozen orders_I've made that involved a
somewhat heavy