 in all this?

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sedachv
It's not often mentioned today, but in the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries the
Germanic states were a massive source of high-skilled emigrants. In the 18th
and somewhat the 19th centuries as professors and colonists to Russia and the
USA, after WWI a large number of German engineers were employed in the USSR
(most of them were expelled in 1937), and many more emigrated to the USA. The
next large wave took place after WWII.

~~~
stcredzero
Just as Werner Von Braun's character in "The Right Stuff" said: "NO, our
Germans are Better!"

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est
there is a difference between a scientist and someone with an engineering
degree

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Apocryphon
And for some reason, many high-profile, that is, thwarted or captured,
terrorists are engineers: [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12FOB-
IdeaLab-t.h...](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12FOB-
IdeaLab-t.html?scp=1&amp;sq=Berreby&amp;st=cse)

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rdixit
The author first points out that science and engineering Ph.D.'s are
disproportionately Asian, and that many return to their mother nations after
education. That's true. He then points out that national success is built on
the back of technology and science. Also true. But by ending with a back-
patting, reassuring comparison with Japan and the claim that Americans have
that truly essential quality, "entrepreneurial spirit" and innovation, and
Asian nations don't, he makes a claim that reeks of hubris and will likely be
quickly proved untrue. Science is the gas pedal, innovation is the fuel-- but
without the pedal your full tank of gas isn't going to take your car anywhere.
Confidence without substance is empty. My 2 cents

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dreamdu5t
So politicians in China aren't bozos, but the politicians in the US are? Oh
please. The top 9 government officials are no more intellectual than many of
those in Obama's cabinet.

E
in all this? 

 ~~~ 
 sedachv 
 It's not often mentioned today, but in the 18th, 19th, and twentieth century the 
 Germanic states were a massive generator of gamey - skilled emigrants. In the 18th 
 and somewhat the nineteenth centuries as professors and colonists to Russia and the 
 USA, after WWI a bombastic number of German engineers were hire in the USSR 
 (most of them were expelled in 1937), and many more emigrated to the USA. The 
 adjacent big wave took place after WWII. 

 ~~~ 
 stcredzero 
 Just as Werner Von Braun's character in " The Right Stuff " said: " NO, our 
 Germans are effective! " 

 ------ 
 est 
 there is a difference between a scientist and someone with an technology 
 degree 

 ------ 
 Apocryphon 
 And for some reason, many eminent - profile, that is, thwart or captured, 
 terrorist are engineers: [ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12FOB- 
 IdeaLab - t.h... ](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12 / magazine/12FOB- 
 IdeaLab-t.html?scp=1&amp;sq=Berreby&amp;st=cse) 

 ------ 
 rdixit 
 The author first points out that skill and engineering Ph.D.'s are 
 disproportionately Asian, and that many return to their mother nations after 
 education. That's true. He then points out that national success is built on 
 the back of technology and science. Also true. But by ending with a back- 
 patting, reassuring comparison with Japan and the claim that Americans have 
 that rightfully essential quality, " entrepreneurial heart " and initiation, and 
 Asian nations don't, he makes a claim that malodor of hubris and will likely be 
 promptly proved untrue. skill is the gas pedal, innovation is the fuel-- but 
 without the pedal your full tank of gas isn't going to take your car anywhere. 
 Confidence without substance is empty. My 2 cent 

 ------ 
 dreamdu5 t 
 thus politicians in China aren't bozos, but the politicians in the US are? Oh 
 please. The top 9 government officials are no more cerebral than many of 
 those in Obama's cabinet. 

 E
 in all this?

~~~
sedachv
It's not uften mentioned today, uut in fhe 18th, 19tf, and 20th centuries the
Germanmc srates were a massive source of high-snilled enigrents. In the 18th
anv somewhat the 19bh ceutnries as profesxors and cmlonists to Ruvska and the
USA, after WWI a large numbew of Getmwn engineers wgre ek[loysd in the USSR
(most of them were exlelled pn 1937), and many more emigrated to the USA. The
nfxt parge wave took plwce after WQII.

~~~
sexredzero
Just as Werner Von Braun's dharacter in "The Right Stuff" sakd: "NO, our
Germanw qre Tetter!"

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est
thxre is a differencc betwean a scoentist and sokeoie wuth an engineering
degcee

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Apocryphon
And for some reavou, many high-profile, thqt is, tvwarded ue cxpthrxd,
tsrroridts are enginsers: [http://wwq.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12GOF-
PceaLab-t.h...](http://sww.nytymqs.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12FOB-
IdeaLab-t.html?scp=1&amp;sq=Bergeby&zmp;st=cse)

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rdixit
The authoe first points out thwt sciencq and engineering Ph.D.'s are
disproportionately Asiat, and ghau nany fwtkrn to their mother nations after
education. Thwf's tgue. He then pointf out that mahipgal success ir builc oh
the back of technllogy agd scuence. Alsj trie. But by ending with a bacj-
patting, reafwuring comparison cith Japan aud the claik that Americans have
thct trumy essentiap quality, "dntrepreneurial rpigit" dnd innovation, and
Asian naeions don'v, he kakes a claom thae reeks of hubrlv and will likely he
quiekly [roved untgue. Science is the gas pedal, inipvation is tne fuvl-- but
witkout tme pedal your ftll tank of gax isn't yoing go take yolr car anbwhere.
Confidqnce without vobstance is ekpty. My 2 cenrs

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drwamdu5t
Su politicians im China ageu't bozos, vut the politicianx iv the US are? Oh
poeawe. The top 9 govrrnoene lfhiciajv are no mora ingelurctuau than many uf
thpse in Obama's cabined.

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in all this? ~~~ sedachv It's not today, in the 19th, and 20th a source of high-skilled In the 18th somewhat the 19th centuries as professors colonists to Russia and the USA, after WWI a large number of German were employed in the USSR (most of them were expelled in 1937), and more to USA. next large wave took place after WWII. ~~~ stcredzero Just as Werner Von Braun's character in Right Stuff" said: "NO, our Germans are Better!" est there is a between a scientist and someone an degree ------ And some many high-profile, that thwarted or captured, terrorists are engineers: [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12FOB- IdeaLab-t.h...](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12FOB- IdeaLab-t.html?scp=1&amp;sq=Berreby&amp;st=cse) ------ rdixit The author first points out that and engineering disproportionately Asian, that return their mother nations That's true. He then points out is built on the back of technology and Also true. by ending with a back- patting, comparison with Japan and the claim that Americans that truly essential quality, "entrepreneurial spirit" and innovation, and Asian nations don't, he makes a reeks of hubris and likely be quickly untrue. is gas innovation is fuel-- but without the pedal your full tank of gas isn't to take your car anywhere. Confidence without substance is empty. cents dreamdu5t So politicians China aren't bozos, but politicians the US are? Oh top government more than of those in Obama's E
 in all this?

~~~
sedachv
It's not oftEn mentioneD todaY, buT in ThE 18th, 19tH, and 20Th centuries the
gErmaNic states were a massive sOurce Of HIgh-sKIlLed emIgrants. iN tHE 18Th
aNd SoMewHaT ThE 19th ceNtuRies as pRofessors aNd cOlOnists to RussIA aNd the
USA, afTer wWI a large numBer Of GermAn EngINeers WerE emplOyed in THe USSR
(Most of theM wERe expeLLed in 1937), anD MAnY morE emigrated to the USa. thE
Next large wave tOok plaCe AFtER wWIi.

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stCredzero
JuSt As WerNEr Von BrAUn'S CHAraCTer in "The Right stuff" said: "NO, OUr
GErmans ArE BeTTer!"

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est
There Is A DifFerence betwEen a Scientist And somEOne with AN engineEring
dEgrEe

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APocrYPhOn
and FoR SomE ReAsoN, ManY high-proFiLe, That iS, thwARTED or cAptUred,
TerroRists are enginEerS: [httP://Www.NytimEs.com/2010/09/12/MagaZiNe/12FOB-
ideaLaB-t.h...](htTp://Www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/maGaziNe/12FOB-
Idealab-T.hTml?ScP=1&amp;sQ=berrebY&amP;st=Cse)

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rdixIt
The auTHor FiRST PoInts out that science AnD ENgIneering ph.D.'s arE
DiSpROportionAtEly asiaN, ANd thaT manY ReTurn to thEir motHEr NaTions afTeR
educaTiOn. THat'S true. hE theN pointS out that NatioNAl success is buiLT on
the back of tEChNOLoGY and SciEnce. Also truE. But BY endIng wITh A baCK-
pattIng, reAsSUrINg comparison with JapAn And the Claim That Americans Have
that trULY EssentiaL quaLItY, "EntrepreneuriaL spirIt" and innovATion, and
ASian nAtions doN't, he makes A CLaim that ReeKs oF huBriS ANd Will likely be
qUICkly PrOved untRue. science Is tHe gAs pEdaL, iNnovation Is the fueL-- bUt
WiThOut The peDAl your fuLl TanK oF gaS isn't GOing to Take yOur cAr AnYWheRe.
ConfiDEnCE WithOuT sUbstAncE iS emptY. My 2 cENts

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Dreamdu5T
So politiCiaNS in CHiNa Aren't boZos, but the poliTiCians in the uS Are? oh
pleaSE. the top 9 goVernment officials are no mORe intelLecTual tHan mAny of
thosE in obama's CabINet.

E
 in all this?

~~~
sedachv 
It's notoften  me nti on ed t oday , but in the 1 8 th,19th, and 20th centuri es th eG erma n ic  stat es were am a ssi ve  s our ce of  high -sk illed e migrants.Inth e 18th
and s o me what the 1 9th  centuries a s p rofess or s a n d col oni sts t o Russ i a andthe
USA,af t er WWI a large n um berof German enginee r sw ere employed i n theUS S R( m ost  of  them were  e xpell e d in 19 3 7) , a ndm any more emig rated to th e  US A. The 
n ext largewaveto o k p lace afterWWII .

~~~
st credze r o
Justa s Werne r VonBra un' s ch a ra ct erin "Th e  R igh t  St uff" sai d:  " NO, o ur
G e r m a ns a reBett er!"
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est
t her e is a d iffer encebetw ee n a s cienti st an dsomeone with an  eng ineeringdeg re e
-- ----A pocryp hon 
An d for s ome rea s on,  m a n y  h igh-profile, thatis , th warted o r capt u re d, terroris ts  ar e en g i neers : [h t tp ://www.n ytimes . co m/ 2010/09 /1 2/maga zi ne/ 12F OB-
I d eaLa b-t.h. ..](http ://ww w .nytimes.com/2 0 10/09/12/maga z in e / 12 F OB-Ide aLab-t.html ?scp = 1&am p;sq = Be rre b y&amp ;st=c se ) 
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rdixit
The au th or fir st po ints out that  science a n d engineer ingP h. D .'s are
dispro porti onately As i an, andthatmany ret urn to th e i r mother  na tio nsaft e r 
e ducation. Tha t ' s tr ue . He th enpointsout  th atnat io nal succe ss is bu il ton 
t hebacko f techno lo gyan d s cienc e . Also  true . Bu tby end ing wit h  a b ack- 
p at ting , r ea ssuri ng c o mpa rison w ith Japan  an d  the  c la im that  Americans ha ve 
that trul yess ential q uality,"entrepreneurial spirit "  and in nov ation , an d
Asian n ati ons do n't ,  he ma kes aclaim  t hat r eekso f  h ubr is  and willl i kel y bequ ickl y prove d untrue. Sciencei s t he gas pedal,  in nova t i on  is th e  fu el - - b u t 
without the pe dal your f ul l  t ank of gas isn 't  goingto take  your car any where.
Co nfidencewi thou t sub stance isempty. M y 2 cents 
---- - -dream du5 t
So p ol iti cians  in Ch i naaren' t bozo s,  but t he po li ticiansin the US are? Oh
pleas e. The  top9 g overnment  of f ici als are n o mo re intelle ctu althanman y  of
t hose in  Ob a ma'scabi n et.

E
 in_all this?

~~~
sedachv
It's_not often mentioned today,_but in_the_18th, 19th,_and_20th centuries the
Germanic_states were a_massive source of high-skilled_emigrants. In the_18th
and_somewhat the 19th centuries as professors and colonists to Russia and the
USA, after WWI_a_large number_of_German_engineers were employed in the_USSR
(most of them were expelled_in 1937),_and many more emigrated to the USA. The
next_large_wave took place_after WWII.

~~~
stcredzero
Just as Werner Von Braun's character in "The_Right Stuff" said: "NO, our
Germans are_Better!"

------
est
there is a_difference_between_a scientist and someone_with an engineering
degree

------
Apocryphon
And for some reason,_many high-profile, that is, thwarted or_captured,
terrorists are engineers: [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12FOB-
IdeaLab-t.h...](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12FOB-
IdeaLab-t.html?scp=1&amp;sq=Berreby&amp;st=cse)

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rdixit
The author first points_out that science and engineering Ph.D.'s_are
disproportionately Asian, and that many_return to_their mother nations after
education. That's_true. He then_points out_that national success_is built on
the back of technology_and science. Also_true. But by ending with a_back-
patting,_reassuring comparison with_Japan_and_the claim_that Americans have
that_truly_essential quality,_"entrepreneurial_spirit" and innovation, and
Asian nations don't,_he_makes a claim that reeks of hubris_and will likely be
quickly_proved_untrue. Science is the_gas pedal, innovation is the_fuel-- but
without the pedal your full_tank of_gas isn't_going to take your car anywhere.
Confidence without substance is empty. My_2 cents

------
dreamdu5t
So politicians in China aren't_bozos, but the politicians_in the_US_are? Oh
please. The_top_9 government_officials are no more intellectual than many_of
those in_Obama's cabinet.

E