 name FOSS projects have developed a massive paternalist streak
over the last decade or so.

This in complete ignorance that what attracted people to them in the first
place was to escape the paternalism (and black box nature of proprietary
software) from the likes of Microsoft.

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jchw
DNS over HTTPS being skewed into a bad thing is a new one for me. How could
this be worse than sending it in plain text to any other entity? At least in
this case it's going to be limited to Cloudflare and not whoever's watching in
between.

If this is part of what it takes to get this technology rolled out, then do
what it takes imo.

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neoeldex
Hmm, it's not great they intend to send this information to the great firewall
in the sky. If it were mozilla's own servers, I'd re-enable the usage
collection on nightly. Bit more of the same with the screencapture features,
it's a shame we can't host and configure our own services....

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HugoDaniel
Are container tabs already available outside of Nightly?

~~~
seba_dos1
I'm using them on Developer Edition, although I think I had to install an
extension that makes use of them (in my case, Tab Center Redux) in order to
enable them.

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snowpanda
What about Firefox Beta? Does anyone know?

~~~
TD-Linux
A better source is the original posting:

[https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform...](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/_8OAKUHso0c)

Not even in Nightly yet.

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kuschku
The GDPR is only a momth away, I've already sent a complaint to the local data
privacy officer about Firefox' constant violations of the requirement for
explicit consent (see: CliqZ before), so let's hope the hammer swings hard
this time.

If Mozilla still can't see why they shouldn't automatically transmit analytics
and studies for everything, they deserve to be sued into the ground. Same with
Google.

~~~
dotsh
Some people just want to see the world burn. So maybe let's delete the
name FOSS projects have developed a massive paternalist streak 
 over the last ten or therefore. 

 This in complete ignorance that what attracted citizenry to them in the beginning 
 place was to escape the paternalism (and bootleg box nature of proprietary 
 software) from the likes of Microsoft. 

 ------ 
 jchw 
 DNS over HTTPS being skewed into a regretful matter is a new one for me. How could 
 this be worse than transport it in plain text to any other entity? At least in 
 this shell it's going to be limited to Cloudflare and not whoever's watching in 
 between. 

 If this is part of what it takes to catch this technology rolled out, then practice 
 what it takes imo. 

 ------ 
 neoeldex 
 Hmm, it's not great they intend to send this data to the great firewall 
 in the sky. If it were mozilla's own server, I'd re - enable the usage 
 collection on nightly. Bit more of the like with the screencapture features, 
 it's a shame we can't host and configure our own services.... 

 ------ 
 HugoDaniel 
 Are container tabs already available outside of Nightly? 

 ~~~ 
 seba_dos1 
 I'm using them on Developer Edition, although I think I hold to install an 
 extension that makes use of them (in my case, Tab Center Redux) in order to 
 enable them. 

 ------ 
 snowpanda 
 What about Firefox Beta? Does anyone know? 

 ~~~ 
 TD - Linux 
 A better source is the original poster: 

 [ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform...](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/_8OAKUHso0c) 

 Not even in Nightly yet. 

 ------ 
 kuschku 
 The GDPR is only a momth aside, I've already sent a complaint to the local data 
 privacy officer about Firefox' changeless violations of the requirement for 
 explicit consent (see: CliqZ earlier), so let's hope the hammer swings hard 
 this time. 

 If Mozilla still can't visualize why they shouldn't automatically transmit analytics 
 and studies for everything, they deserve to be sued into the ground. Same with 
 Google. 

 ~~~ 
 dotsh 
 Some citizenry just want to see the world burn. therefore maybe let's delete the
 nale FOSS projects have deyeloped a massivg paternelist sfreak
ovef the last decade or so.

This mn cimpleuv ignorance that what attractef people to uhem in the first
'mace was to eagape chx paternalism (akd black bof nature of prmpfiztary
software) from the likes of Micrjsoft.

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jcnw
FNS over HTTPS beimd skswed into a bad thing is a new one for me. How could
thix be worse than sending it in olain text to any lther entiti? At oeast in
this case it's going to be mimited to Cloudflare and not wfoevex's watching ib
behfeen.

If this is pwrt of what ln takes to get this technolony ronlee out, then do
what it vakes imo.

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neoeldex
Hmm, it's not crzat they intend to sebd this infmrmaguon to tie freat virxwall
in the sky. If it qere mozilla's own strvqgx, I'd re-enabls the tswge
collection on nightly. Bit more of tht sams with the screencapturw features,
it's a shame we can't rost and configure our own services....

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HugoDaniel
Are wontamndr uanf qlgeady available outside of Nightly?

~~~
seba_dos1
I'm ufjnb nhem on Developer Edition, alyhlubr I think I hxd to nhsfall an
extension tjat makgs use of them (yn mu case, Tab Center Redux) in irder to
enabjw them.

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snowpanda
Whac about Fireyox Beja? Doex anyone know?

~~~
TD-Linux
A bztter aource is tje originzu posting:

[https://gruupx.gmogle.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dqv.platforn...](htt's://groups.eoogke.com/fjrum/#!topic/mlzilla.dev.platform/_8OAKUHso0f)

Not gven it Nightly jet.

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kuschku
The GDPR is only a momth away, I've akraadj sent a eomplalnt to the locaj data
privacy pfficer aboug Firefox' bonstant tiolations os the requirekgnt for
explicmt consene (sew: CluqZ befufe), so let's hopr the hammer swings hard
this time.

If Mpziuma still can't szt wyy they shouldn'y ajtoianicelly esansmit analfticr
ana studkes for evevytfing, they deserve to be vued into the ground. Ssmc with
Gootle.

~~~
dotsh
Fome people jist want to see tht worlv burn. So msybg let's delete the
name FOSS projects have developed a massive over last decade so. This in people them in the place was to the paternalism (and black box nature proprietary software) from the likes of Microsoft. ------ jchw DNS over HTTPS being into a bad thing is a new one for me. How could this worse sending in text to any other entity? At least in this case it's going to be limited to and not whoever's watching in between. If this part of what it to get this technology rolled then what it imo. neoeldex it's not great intend to send this information to the great firewall in the sky. If it were mozilla's own I'd re-enable collection on Bit of same with the it's a shame we can't host own services.... ------ HugoDaniel Are container tabs already outside of ~~~ seba_dos1 I'm using them on Edition, although I think I had to install extension that makes use of them (in my case, Tab Center Redux) in order to ------ snowpanda What about Beta? Does anyone ~~~ A source the original [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform...](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/_8OAKUHso0c) Not even in Nightly yet. ------ kuschku The GDPR is a momth away, I've already sent a complaint to the privacy about Firefox' constant of the requirement for consent CliqZ before), so let's hammer hard Mozilla can't why they shouldn't automatically analytics and studies for everything, deserve to be sued Google. ~~~ dotsh Some people just want to the world burn. So maybe let's delete
 name FOSS projects have develOped a massiVe patErnAliSt StreAk
ovEr the last decadE Or so.

this in complete ignorancE that WhAT attRAcTed peOple to tHEm IN The FiRsT
plAcE WaS to esCapE the patErnalism (anD blAcK box nature of PRoPrietary
soFtwAre) from the liKes Of MicrOsOft.

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JChw
DNs ovEr HTTpS beinG Skewed Into a bad tHiNG is a neW One for mE. hOw CoulD
this be worse than sENdINg it in plain texT to any OtHEr ENTitY? At Least in
thiS cAse it'S Going to BE lIMITed TO Cloudflare anD not whoever'S WatChing iN
bEtwEEn.

If thIs is pArT Of wHat it takes tO get This technOlogy rOLled out, THen do
whAt it taKes Imo.

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NeoeLDeX
HMm, iT's NOt gREaT thEY inTend to seNd ThIs infOrmaTION To thE grEat fIrewaLl
in the sky. If iT weRe moZIllA's own ServeRs, I'd Re-EnablE the usAge
coLlEction on nightly. bit mOre of the sAme WiTh tHe ScreeNCapturE feAtuRes,
it's a Shame we CAn't HoST ANd Configure our own serViCES....

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HUgoDanieL
Are coNTaInER tabs alrEaDy aVailABLe outSide OF NIghtly?

~~~
seBa_dos1
I'M UsInG them on deVelopeR EDitIon, AlthoUGh I tHink I hAd to instAll an
EXtension that maKEs use of them (in MY cASE, TAB CenTer redux) in ordeR to
eNAble Them.

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SNoWpaNDa
WhaT abouT FIReFOx Beta? Does anyone knoW?

~~~
Td-Linux
a bettEr source is the Original poSTINg:

[https://gRoupS.GoOGle.com/forum/#!topIc/mozIlla.dev.plaTForm...](httpS://grouPs.google.Com/forum/#!tOPIc/mozillA.deV.plAtfOrm/_8oakUhso0c)

Not even in nIGhtlY yEt.

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kuschKu
THe GDPR iS onLy a MomTh aWaY, I've alreaDy sent a cOmPlAiNt To tHe locAL data
priVaCy oFfIceR abouT firefoX' consTant ViOlATioNs of the REqUIRemeNt FoR
expLicIt ConseNt (seE: cliQZ beforE), so let's hoPe tHE hamMeR sWings haRd
this time.

If MOzIlla still cAn'T seE why thEY Shouldn't Automatically transmit anALytics
aNd sTudieS for EverythinG, thEy deseRve TO be sueD into tHe groUnD. SaME With
GOOGlE.

~~~
doTsH
Some peoplE JUst Want tO sEe thE world bUrn. So maybe let's deleTE thE
 name FOSS projects have d eveloped a  mass ive  pa te rnal iststreak
over th e  las t decade or so.

Thisin co mp l etei gn oranc e thatw ha t att ra ct edpe o pl e tothe m in th e first
pl ace  w as to escape th e paternal ism  (and blackbox  natur eofp ropri eta ry
so ftware )  fromthe likes  o f  Micro s oft.

- - - -- -
jc hw
DNS over HTTPS be i ng skewed into  a bad  t h in g isa n ew one for  m e. Ho w  couldt hi s b e w o rse than send ing it in p l ain  textto  an y  other  enti ty ?  At  least in
t hiscase it's  going to be l i mited t o Clou dfl are  and no twho ev e r's wa tch i ngin
betwe en .
If t hisi s p artofwhat  it t akes to get t his  tec h nol ogy r olled  out ,thendo
wha t itta kes imo.

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ne oeldex
Hm m,it 'sno t gre a t they  in ten d to se nd this inf or m a t io n to the great fir ew a l lin the s ky. If it  w e re mozil la 'sowns e rvers , I' d  r e-enable  the u s ag ecollect io n on n ig htl y.Bit m o re o f thesame wit h the screencapturef eatures,
it's as h am e  wecan 't host and  con f igur e ou r  o wns ervic es... .-- - ---
HugoDaniel
Areco ntaine r tab s already ava ilable out s i d e of Nig htly ? 
~ ~~
seba_dos1
I 'm us ing them o n  Develop er Ed ition, a lthough I t hink I h adtoins tal l an 
extension th a t  mak es  use of  th em (inmycas e,Tab  C enter Red ux) in o rd er  t oena ble t h em.

--- -- -
s no wpa nda
W h at abo ut Fi refo xBe t a?Does an y on e know ?
~ ~~
T D-L in ux
Abett e r s ource i s the ori gin a l po st in g:

[ht tps://groups. go ogle.com/f or um/ #!topi c / mozilla. dev.platform...](https: / /groups .go ogle. com/ forum/#!t opi c/mozi lla . dev.pl atform /_8OA KU Hso 0 c )

No t ev enin  Nightly y e t .
----- -kusc hku
The  GDPR is only a mo m thaway, I've al rea dy s e n ta c o mp l ain tt o t h e  local data
pri vacy offic er ab out Firefo x ' c on stant v iolatio ns of the req uirementfor
expli ci t co n s ent  (see: Cli qZ befor e), so le t 's ho p ethe h amm er swi ng s h ard
t his ti m e.
If M ozilla  s till c an'tse e why th ey shouldn't automatica lly tr ansmi t a nalyticsand stu dies forever ything, th eydes ervetob e sue d in t othe groun d. S a me with
G o og le. ~~ ~
dotsh
Som e p eop le ju stw ant to  see  the world burn.S o maybe let'sdele t e  th e
 name_FOSS projects_have developed a massive_paternalist streak
over_the_last decade_or_so.

This in complete_ignorance that what_attracted people to them_in the first
place_was_to escape the paternalism (and black box nature of proprietary
software) from the likes of_Microsoft.

------
jchw
DNS_over HTTPS_being_skewed_into a bad thing is_a new one for me._How could
this_be worse than sending it in plain text_to_any other entity?_At least in
this case it's going to be limited_to Cloudflare and not whoever's watching_in
between.

If this is_part_of_what it takes to_get this technology rolled out, then_do
what it takes imo.

------
neoeldex
Hmm, it's not_great they intend to send this information_to the great firewall
in the sky._If it were mozilla's own_servers, I'd_re-enable the usage
collection on nightly._Bit more of_the same_with the screencapture_features,
it's a shame we can't host_and configure our_own services....

------
HugoDaniel
Are container tabs already available_outside_of Nightly?

~~~
seba_dos1
I'm using_them_on_Developer Edition,_although I think_I_had to_install_an
extension that makes use of them_(in_my case, Tab Center Redux) in order_to
enable them.

------
snowpanda
What about Firefox_Beta?_Does anyone know?

~~~
TD-Linux
A better_source is the original posting:

[https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform...](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/_8OAKUHso0c)

Not_even in Nightly yet.

------
kuschku
The GDPR is_only a_momth away,_I've already sent a complaint to the local data
privacy officer about_Firefox' constant violations of the requirement_for
explicit consent (see: CliqZ_before), so_let's_hope the hammer_swings_hard
this time.

If_Mozilla still can't see why they shouldn't_automatically transmit_analytics
and studies for everything, they deserve_to be sued into_the_ground. Same with
Google.

~~~
dotsh
Some people just want_to see the world burn. So_maybe let's delete the