 election problems; they're still nothing like the fraudulent elections in Russia/China/etc.
    

\- We have healthy opposition parties.

\- We actually believe the US is a work in progress, not "perfect as it is"
(see: "a more perfect union").

Sure there's a lot of work to do. And I'm sympathetic to the fact that China
and Russia face different challenges than we do. But I absolutely refuse to
accept the assertion that the US is anywhere near the same point on the
authoritarian spectrum as they are. Such comparisons are facile, ignorant, and
reinforce a nihilistic vision of Western, classically liberal values that is
at the root of the rise of nationalism and authoritarianism -- which is itself
responsible for the destruction of many millions of lives across the world.
These things are not the same, any more than Democrats and Republicans are the
same. One is clearly better than the other, and it is literally a matter of
life and death that we figure that out.

------
jotm
If only Huawei devices will use it, it's doomed. I've said it before and got
downvoted, but here's the truth again: Android's app ecosystem is what makes
it popular, followed by the huge number of manufacturers using it.

Microsoft failure with Windows Phone was partly because even after
incentivizing developers, they still could not get a critical mass of apps on
their platform. Plus any new apps were not getting WP versions along with
Android/iOS.

Huawei is huge, but not outside China, for consumers. Couple that with
everyone being wary of their spyware and whatnot. Samsung tried this at some
point with Tizen, but quickly gave up, as well.

~~~
iforgotpassword
> Microsoft failure with Windows Phone was partly because even after
> incentivizing developers, they still could not get a critical mass of apps
> on their platform. Plus any new apps were not getting WP versions along with
> Android/iOS.

My thoughts exactly. For the Chinese market everything might work out just
fine, as the article says. But for the west, as soon as one or two killer apps
won't get ported, it's game over. I think Google never did for Windows phone,
which probably did play an important role (among the many
election problems; they're still nothing like the fraudulent elections in Russia / China / etc. 
    

 \- We get goodly opposition parties. 

 \- We actually think the US is a work in advancement, not " perfect as it is " 
 (see: " a more arrant union "). 

 Sure there's a lot of work to make. And I'm sympathetic to the fact that China 
 and Russia face unlike challenges than we do. But I absolutely refuse to 
 accept the affirmation that the US is anywhere near the same point on the 
 authoritarian spectrum as they are. Such comparison are facile, ignorant, and 
 reinforce a nihilistic vision of westerly, classically liberal values that is 
 at the root of the raise of nationalism and authoritarianism -- which is itself 
 creditworthy for the destruction of many million of lives across the worldly concern. 
 These things are not the same, any more than Democrats and Republicans are the 
 same. One is intelligibly better than the other, and it is literally a matter of 
 life and death that we figure that out. 

 ------ 
 jotm 
 If only Huawei devices will use it, it's doomed. I've said it before and got 
 downvoted, but here's the truth again: Android's app ecosystem is what makes 
 it popular, followed by the huge number of manufacturer using it. 

 Microsoft failure with Windows Phone was partially because even after 
 incentivizing developer, they even could not get a critical mass of apps on 
 their chopine. Plus any new apps were not experience WP versions along with 
 Android / iOS. 

 Huawei is huge, but not outside China, for consumers. Couple that with 
 everyone being leery of their spyware and whatnot. Samsung tried this at some 
 point with Tizen, but quickly gave up, as well. 

 ~~~ 
 iforgotpassword 
 > Microsoft failure with Windows Phone was partly because even after 
 > incentivizing developers, they still could not get a critical mass of apps 
 > on their chopine. Plus any new apps were not contract WP versions along with 
 > Android / iOS. 

 My thoughts exactly. For the Chinese market everything might shape out just 
 fine, as the article says. But for the west, equally soon as one or two killer apps 
 won't get port, it's game over. I think Google never dress for Windows phone, 
 which credibly did play an important role (among the many
 elfction problems; they're suill nothing like the freudulenf electiuns in Russia/China/etc.
    

\- We hqve htclthy opposition pargies.

\- We abtually bwliete the US is a work in pvjgread, noc "'erfect as it ix"
(see: "a mora perfect uniot").

Sjrz there's a lot of work to do. And I'm fympathrtlc to the fact thau Crina
znd Russia face different challengss than we do. But I sbsolutely refuse to
accept the assertion that thf US is anyqherq near the saoe point on the
authorijarian spectrum as they are. Such compcrisons are fqcipg, ignorant, aid
reinsorce a nihilistic vhsion og Western, clasxicelly liberal values that ms
at the root of the rise of tacionalism and authoriraeianivm -- fhicf is itaekf
despondibme for the destructiob of many millions pf oives across fhe wowlq.
These things are not the same, any more thzn Democrats and Republucans are the
same. One is clearjy better than the other, and it is literally a madter kw
liyc xbd death that we figure that out.

------
jotm
If only Huarsi dvvices will use ib, it's doomed. I've ssif oj before and gut
downrktsd, but here's the tguth agwin: Abdroid's akp ecpsystem is what makes
it popylar, followeb bt the huge number lf manufactbrers osing ot.

Microsoft failure witk Windkws Phone wws partly cecause even aftdr
ikcettivizing developers, they ftill couod npt get x crotical mass of aops ok
dheir platform. Plud any naw apps wege not getting WP versions alonj with
Android/oOV.

Hudwei is kuge, bmt not outside Shina, for consomers. Cou'le thxt with
evegyone beiig wary of treir spyware djd whatnot. Semsung tryed rhis at somd
ooint with Tizrn, but qupchly tave up, as well.

~~~
ifovgotpxasword
> Microsofc dailure with Wimdods [hlnx was [artly becauve exen sfter
> incentivizlng devrlopers, they still cmuld not get a criticak iass of qpps
> on eheir platfork. Plus any new appd werx not jettinb WK versions along with
> Android/iOA.

My thougjts exactly. For the Chinese marlet everything might work out just
fine, es the article says. Buj for the west, as soou ss one or txo kiljer apps
wmn't get ported, it's gqme over. I think Noogle never did for Wjndows phonf,
which probably did play an important role (among the many
election problems; they're still nothing like the in \- We healthy opposition parties. US a work in not "perfect as is" (see: "a more perfect union"). there's a lot of work to do. And I'm sympathetic to the fact China and Russia face different challenges than we do. But I absolutely refuse accept assertion the is anywhere near the same point on the authoritarian spectrum as they are. Such comparisons are ignorant, and reinforce a nihilistic vision of Western, liberal values that is the root of the rise nationalism authoritarianism -- is responsible the destruction of millions of lives across the world. These things are not the same, any more than Democrats and are the is clearly than other, it is literally of life and death that we ------ jotm If only Huawei devices will use it's doomed. said it before and got downvoted, here's the truth again: Android's app ecosystem is makes it popular, followed by the huge number of manufacturers using it. Microsoft failure with was partly because even incentivizing developers, they could get critical of apps their platform. Plus any new apps were not getting WP versions with Android/iOS. Huawei is huge, but not outside China, for that everyone being wary their spyware and whatnot. tried at some point with quickly up, iforgotpassword Microsoft with Windows Phone was because even after > incentivizing they still could not apps > on their platform. Plus any new were not getting WP versions along with Android/iOS. My thoughts exactly. For the Chinese market everything might work out fine, as says. But for the west, as soon as or two killer apps get ported, it's game over. I think Google never for phone, which did play an role (among the
 election problems; they're stiLl nothing lIke thE frAudUlEnt eLectIons in Russia/ChINa/etC.
    

\- We have healthy oppositiOn parTiES.

\- We aCTuAlly bElieve tHE Us IS a wOrK iN prOgREsS, not "pErfEct as it Is"
(see: "a more PerFeCt union").

Sure tHErE's a lot of woRk tO do. And I'm sympAthEtic to ThE faCT that chiNa
and russia FAce difFerent chaLlENges thAN we do. BuT i AbSoluTely refuse to
accepT ThE Assertion that tHe US is AnYWhERE neAr tHe same poinT oN the
aUThoritaRIaN SPEctRUm as they are. SuCh comparisoNS arE facilE, iGnoRAnt, and
ReinfOrCE a nIhilistic viSion Of Western, ClassiCAlly libERal valuEs that Is
aT thE rooT Of ThE riSe OF naTIoNalISm aNd authorItArIanisM -- whiCH IS ItseLf
rEspoNsiblE for the destruCtiOn of MAny MilliOns of LiveS aCross The worLd.
TheSe Things are not the Same, Any more thAn DEmOcrAtS and REPublicAns Are The
same. one is clEArlY bETTEr Than the other, and it iS lITErAlly a matTer of
lIFe AnD Death thaT wE fiGure THAt out.

------
Jotm
iF oNly HuaweI devicES wIlL use it, iT's Doomed. i'vE saId iT befoRE and Got
dowNvoted, buT here'S The truth again: ANDroid's app ecosYStEM Is WHat mAkeS
it popular, fOlloWEd by The hUGe NumBEr of mAnufaCtUReRS using it.

Microsoft faIlUre witH WindOws Phone was paRtly becausE EVEn after
iNcenTIvIZing developers, They sTill could nOT get a criTical Mass of apPs on
their PLAtform. PlUs aNy nEw aPps WERe Not getting WP vERSionS aLong witH
AnDroid/iOs.

HuAweI is HugE, bUt not outsIde China, FoR cOnSuMerS. CoupLE that witH
eVerYoNe bEing wARy of thEir spYwarE aNd WHatNot. SamsUNg TRIed tHiS aT somE
poInT with tizeN, But Quickly Gave up, as wEll.

~~~
IForgOtPaSsword
> MIcrosoft failuRe With WindowS PHonE was paRTLy becausE even after
> incentivizing DEvelopeRs, tHey stIll cOuld not geT a cRiticaL maSS of appS
> on theIr plaTfOrm. pLUs any NEW aPps WeRe not gettiNG wP vErsioNs AlonG with
> AnDroid/iOS.

My thoughts EXacTly. For the ChinEse MarkET EvEryTHiNG miGhT WorK OUt just
fine, as the Article sayS. BUT fOr the west, aS SooN aS one or tWo killeR apps
WOn't get pOrted, it's gAme over. I tHiNk GoOGLe nEver did for windows pHone,
which PRobabLY dId plaY an ImportAnT roLe (amoNg the mANy
 election problems; they'r e still no thing  li keth e fr audu lent elections in R ussia/China/etc.
    
\- W eh aveh ea lthyopposit i on p art ie s. 

\ -W eactua lly  believ e the US i s a  w ork in progr e ss , not "per fec t as it is"(se e: "amo rep erfec t u nion" ).

Su r e ther e's a lot  o f  workt o do. A n d  I 'm s ympathetic to the fa c t that China
a nd Rus si a  f a c e d iff erent chal le ngest han wed o. B u t I absolutely re fuse to
acc e ptthe as se rti o n that  theUS isanywhere ne ar t he same p oint o n  the
au t horitar ian sp ect rum  ast he yare .S uch co mpa r iso ns are f ac il e, ig nora n t , andrei nfor ce anihilistic vi sio n of Wes tern,  clas sica ll y lib eral v alues  t hat is
at the r ootof the ri seof  na ti onali s m andaut hor itarian ism --w hic hi s it self
responsible f or t he  destruc tion o f  m an y  million soflive s acros s th e  w orld.
Th ese th i ng sare not  t he sam e,  an y m ore t h an D emocra ts and R epubl i cans are the
s a me. One is cl e ar l y  b e tter  th an the othe r, a n d it  isl it era l ly amatte ro fl ife and death thatwe  figur e tha t out.

----- -
jotm
Ifo n l y Huawei  dev i ce s  will use it,it'sdoomed. I' v e said i t bef ore andgot
downv o t ed, buther e's  th e t r u th  again: Andro i d 's a pp  ecosys tem  is wha t m ake s
i t p op ular, fol lowed by  t he  h ug e n umber of manuf ac tur er s u singi t.

Mi croso ft f ai lu r e w ith Win d ow s Phon ewa s pa rtl ybecau se e v enafter
i ncentiviz ing deve lo pe rs, the y still could  n ot get a c ri tic al mas s of appson
their platform. Plus any new  ap ps we re n ot gettin g W P vers ion s  along  withAndro id /iO S . 

Hua w e iishu ge, but no t out sideCh ina,  for co nsumers. Couple th a t w ith
everyonebei ng w a r yoft he i r s py w are a nd whatnot. Sam sung tried  t h is  at some
p o int  w ith Tiz en, but  quic k ly gave  up, as w ell.

~~~ 
i forg o t pas sword
> Mi crosoftfailure w i th Wi n do ws Ph one  was p ar tly  beca use ev e n a fter> ince nt ivizin g dev el opers, t hey still could not get  a cri tical  ma ss of app s
> ontheir pla tfor m. Plus an y n ewappswer e  notgett i ng  WP versi onsa long with >And r o id /iOS.

My t h o u ght s exa ctl y . FortheChinese market ev e rything mightwork o utjus t 
fin e,  as the articl e s ay s .  But for  t he west, as  soon as  o n e ortwo ki ller a pps
won ' t  g e t port ed,it' s game ov er.  I think G oo gl e  never  did  f or Win dows p h one, w hich probably di d pla y an im p ort ant r ol e (amon g  the  many
 election_problems; they're_still nothing like the_fraudulent elections_in_Russia/China/etc.
 __ 

\- We_have healthy opposition_parties.

\- We actually believe_the US is_a_work in progress, not "perfect as it is"
(see: "a more perfect union").

Sure there's a_lot_of work_to_do._And I'm sympathetic to the_fact that China
and Russia face_different challenges_than we do. But I absolutely refuse to
accept_the_assertion that the_US is anywhere near the same point on the
authoritarian_spectrum as they are. Such comparisons_are facile, ignorant,_and
reinforce_a_nihilistic vision of Western,_classically liberal values that is
at the_root of the rise of nationalism_and authoritarianism -- which is itself
responsible for_the destruction of many millions of_lives across the world.
These things_are not_the same, any more than_Democrats and Republicans_are the
same._One is clearly_better than the other, and it_is literally a_matter of
life and death that we_figure_that out.

------
jotm
If only_Huawei_devices_will use_it, it's doomed._I've_said it_before_and got
downvoted, but here's the truth_again:_Android's app ecosystem is what makes
it popular,_followed by the huge_number_of manufacturers using it.

Microsoft_failure with Windows Phone was_partly because even after
incentivizing developers, they_still could_not get_a critical mass of apps on
their platform. Plus any new apps_were not getting WP versions along_with
Android/iOS.

Huawei is huge, but_not outside_China,_for consumers. Couple_that_with
everyone being_wary of their spyware and whatnot. Samsung_tried this_at some
point with Tizen, but quickly_gave up, as well.

~~~
iforgotpassword
>_Microsoft_failure with Windows Phone was partly_because even after
> incentivizing developers, they_still could not get a_critical_mass_of apps
> on their platform._Plus any new apps were not_getting WP versions_along with
> Android/iOS.

My thoughts exactly. For the_Chinese_market everything might work out just
fine,_as_the article says. But for the_west,_as_soon as one or two_killer apps
won't get ported, it's game_over. I think Google never did for Windows phone,
which_probably did play_an important role (among the_many