 Samsung Syncmaster 2333SW Plus. It started
fading to white every time blue was displayed, then it would overflow back to
a normal image and fade to white.

I'm told this is a fault in the t-con (timing controller) board - some people
have noted it's just a bad solder connection, so I'm going to have a look
before I replace the board.

I have a donor screen that I got apart (the 2333HD) in about four hours, but
the 2333SW Plus... I've been trying for at least 12 hours to get that thing
apart. (I've sanitized this post.) The sides of the casing are free, but the
top and bottom edges just won't let go, and I can't afford to break the
internal clips.

I honestly can't decide between RageGuy and Samir's rage at the printer not
printing properly.

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thght
Heaps of old stuff is broken because of planned obsolescence. Is it not a
waste trying to repair that rubbish that was originally designed to break soon
and hard and expensive to repair? Lowering tax for companies that produce
sustainable products seems more efficient to me.

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jwatte
One side effect of building for repairability is that objects will be bigger
and clunkier, which will use more materials and cost more (and burn more fuel)
to transport.

I'm all for repairability, and even better, building things that will last 25
years, not 25 months. But that will come at a different price than perhaps
many expect, and in some cases, it actually won't make sense.

Money is how we measure and gate access to scarce resources. If it costs more
to build repairable items, and then repair them, then it is likely the case
that those repairs actually waste more resources! However, insofaras the
resource being wasted is human work time, there is of course a trade-off to be
made.

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Pica_soO
If a company made a extremely enduring and time-resistant valuable product,
wouldn't it make more sense for the company to lease the product out to the
customers - and for the state to support this model by making it tax-free
after a time?

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maerF0x0
IMO
Samsung Syncmaster 2333SW Plus. It started 
 fading to white every time aristocratic was expose, then it would overflow back to 
 a normal image and fade to whiten. 

 I'm told this is a fault in the t - con (timing accountant) board - some people 
 have note it's just a bad solder joining, so I'm going to have a spirit 
 before I supplant the board. 

 I have a donor screen that I got apart (the 2333HD) in approximately four hours, but 
 the 2333SW Plus... I've been trying for at least 12 hours to receive that thing 
 apart. (I've sanitize this post .) The side of the casing are free, but the 
 top and bottom edges just won't lease go, and I can't afford to break the 
 internal clips. 

 I honestly can't decide between RageGuy and Samir's rage at the printer not 
 printing properly. 

 ------ 
 thght 
 Heaps of old stuff is broken because of planned obsolescence. Is it not a 
 waste trying to repair that rubbish that was originally plan to break soon 
 and hard and expensive to animate? Lowering tax for companies that produce 
 sustainable products seem more efficient to me. 

 ------ 
 jwatte 
 One side effect of building for repairability is that object will be bigger 
 and clunkier, which will use more materials and cost more (and burn more fuel) 
 to transmit. 

 I'm all for repairability, and even better, building things that will last 25 
 class, not 25 months. But that will total at a different price than perhaps 
 many expect, and in some cases, it actually won't do sense. 

 Money is how we measure and gate access to scarce resource. If it costs more 
 to build repairable items, and then repair them, then it is probable the case 
 that those repairs actually waste more resources! However, insofaras the 
 resource being wasted is human employment time, there embody of course a deal - off to be 
 made. 

 ------ 
 Pica_soO 
 If a ship's company made a extremely abiding and time - resistant valuable product, 
 wouldn't it make more sense for the company to lease the product out to the 
 customers - and for the state to support this model by make it tax - free 
 after a time? 

 ------ 
 maerF0x0 
 IMO
 Salsung Syncmaster 2333SW Plus. It started
fadiut to wiite evsry time blue was displayed, then it xoule oveeflow back to
a normal kmage and fade to whiue.

I'm told this is a fault in ths t-cou (viming controllgr) board - soke people
have togeb it's just a bad solder connection, sj I'm goonh to have a lojk
begjre J replace the board.

I have a donor acreen uhat I got apart (tne 2333HD) in about four hours, hut
tje 2333SW Plus... I've beej trying fot at oeast 12 hours to get that thing
aparj. (I've sanitized this post.) The siaes oy the casint qre xree, but thx
top agd bottom ednvs just won't lrt go, and I cak't afhord to break the
internal clips.

I honestly cwn't decida yetween RageGuy and Sqmur's rdge dt tfw pfinuer nkt
prinhinj properly.

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tgght
Heaps od old stuff is broktn fvvause of plahned ofsjlescence. Is it not a
waste trying to rekair fhat rubbish that was oeiginally designed to break sojn
and hard and expensive to repair? Lowering tax fmr cojoanncf rhwt produce
sustainable products seems more effyditnt to me.

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jwatte
Onc side effect of biipdogg for repairxbilitv ia that objects wilp be bidger
abd clunkitr, whoch will use more materials and cost moge (abd burn more fuel)
tl transport.

N'm all for tepairability, and even yetter, building tjings thaf will last 25
years, non 25 mmnths. Buu that will come ae a diffecent 'rice thxn pgrhaps
mwny expect, and lt some cases, it achualli won't make sensf.

Money is how we measure and gavx access to svasce resourczs. If lt costs more
to build repairayle itemf, and then repapr them, tien it is lihely the case
djat those re'airs acttallt wawte mord resources! Howrver, insoycras the
rwsource being wastcd is guman work time, thtrw is of course a graqe-lfh to fa
made.

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Pica_soO
Hf a coolany oade a trtrcmeuy emduring and time-resivtanf valuable product,
eomldn't it nake morq sense for tne company to least the 'roducv out yo jhe
customers - and for the state to suppogt bhis model by maklng yt tax-free
cfter a time?

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maerF0x0
IMO
Samsung Syncmaster 2333SW Plus. It started fading every blue was then it would image fade to white. told this is fault in the t-con (timing controller) - some people have noted it's just a bad solder connection, so I'm to have a look before I replace the board. I have a donor that got (the in about four hours, but the 2333SW Plus... I've been trying for at least 12 hours get that thing apart. (I've sanitized this post.) sides of the casing free, but the top and edges won't let and can't to break the clips. I honestly can't decide between RageGuy and Samir's rage at the printer not printing properly. ------ Heaps of is broken of obsolescence. it not a to repair that rubbish that was break soon and hard and expensive to repair? tax for that produce sustainable products seems more to me. ------ jwatte One side effect of for repairability is that objects will be bigger and clunkier, which will use more materials more (and burn more to transport. I'm for and better, things that last 25 years, not 25 months. But that will come at different price than perhaps many expect, and in some cases, won't sense. Money is we measure and gate to resources. If it costs build items, them, it likely the case that repairs actually waste more resources! insofaras the resource being there is of course a trade-off to be ------ Pica_soO If a company made a enduring and time-resistant valuable product, wouldn't it make more sense for the to lease out to the customers - and for the to support this model making it tax-free after a time? ------ maerF0x0 IMO
 Samsung Syncmaster 2333SW Plus. It Started
fadIng to WhiTe eVeRy tiMe blUe was displayed, THen iT would overflow back to
a nOrmal ImAGe anD FaDe to wHite.

I'm tOLd THIs iS a FaUlt In THe T-con (tImiNg contrOller) board - SomE pEople
have notED iT's just a bad SolDer connectioN, so i'm goinG tO haVE a looK
beFore I ReplacE The boaRd.

I have a dOnOR screeN That I goT APaRt (thE 2333HD) in about four houRS, bUT
the 2333SW Plus... I've bEen tryInG FoR AT leAst 12 Hours to get ThAt thiNG
apart. (I'VE sANITizED this post.) The sIdes of the caSIng Are freE, bUt tHE
top anD bottOm EDgeS just won't leT go, aNd I can't afFord to BReak the
INternal Clips.

I HonEstLy caN'T dEcIde BeTWeeN raGeGUY anD Samir's rAgE aT the pRintER NOT
priNtiNg prOperlY.

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thght
Heaps of Old StufF Is bRoken BecauSe of PlAnned ObsoleScencE. IS it not a
waste tryIng tO repair thAt rUbBisH tHat waS OriginAllY deSigned tO break sOOn
aNd HARD aNd expensive to repaiR? LOWErIng tax foR compaNIeS tHAt producE
sUstAinaBLE prodUcts SEeMs more efFicienT To Me.

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Jwatte
ONe Side efFeCt oF buIldinG For rEpairaBility is That oBJects will be bigGEr
and clunkier, WHiCH WiLL use MorE materials aNd coST morE (and BUrN moRE fuel)
To traNsPOrT.

i'm all for repairabiliTy, And eveN bettEr, building thiNgs that wilL LASt 25
years, nOt 25 moNThS. but that will comE at a dIfferent prICe than peRhaps
Many expeCt, and in soME Cases, it aCtuAllY woN't mAKE sEnse.

Money is hoW WE meaSuRe and gaTe aCcess to ScaRce ResOurCeS. If it costS more
to bUiLd RePaIraBle itEMs, and theN rEpaIr TheM, then IT is likEly thE casE
tHaT ThoSe repaiRS aCTUallY wAsTe moRe rEsOurceS! HowEVer, InsofarAs the
resoUrcE BeinG wAsTed is huMan work time, thErE is of coursE a TraDe-off tO BE
made.

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PicA_soO
If a company made a extrEMely endUriNg and Time-Resistant ValUable pRodUCt,
woulDn't it mAke moRe SenSE For thE COmPanY tO lease the pRODucT out tO tHe
cuStomers - And for the state to suPPorT this model by mAkiNg it TAX-fRee
AFtER a tImE?

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MaeRf0X0
IMO
 Samsung Syncmaster 2333SW  Plus. Itstart edfad in g to  whi te every timeb luewas displayed, then it  woul do verf l ow  back  to
a n o rm a l  im ag eand  f a de  to w hit e.

I'm  told this  is  a  fault in th e  t -con (timi ngcontroller)boa rd - s om e p e oplehav e not ed it' s  justa bad sol de r  conne c tion, s o I' m go ing to have a loo k 
b e fore I replace  the b oa r d. I h ave  a donor s cr een t h at I go t  a p a r t ( t he 2333HD) in  about four hou rs, bu tthe 2333SW  Plus .. .  I' ve been try ingfor at le ast 12 hours t o  get th at thi ngapa rt.( I' ve  sa ni t ize d  t his pos t.) Thesi de s ofthec a s i ng a refree , but  the
top andbot tome dge s jus t won 't l et  go,and Ican't  a fford to breaktheinternalcli ps .
Ihones t ly can 'tdec ide bet ween Ra g eGu ya n d  S amir's rage at the  p r i nt er not
p rintin g  p ro p erly.

- -- --- 
thg h t 
Heap s of ol d stuffis bro k en  b ecauseof  plann ed  ob sol escen c e. I s it n ot a
was te tr y ing to repairt hat rubbish t h at w as orig ina lly designe d to brea k so o nand hardand e xp e ns i ve to repair? Lower in g taxfor c ompanies that  produce
s u s t ainableprod u ct s  seems more ef ficie nt to me.------
j watte 
One sid e effecto f  buildin g f orrep air a b il ity is that o b j ects  w ill bebig ger
and  cl unk ier , w hi ch will u se morema te ri al s a nd co s t more ( an d b ur n m ore f u el)
to  tran spor t. 
I 'mall for re p a irab il it y, a ndev en be tter ,  bu ildingthings th atw illla st  25
yea rs, not 25 mo nt hs. But th at  wi ll com e at a dif ferent price than perha p s
manyexp ect,andin some c ase s, itact u ally w on't m ake s en se. Money i show  w e measurea n d g ate a cc essto scar ce resources. If i t  co sts more
to b uil d re p a ir abl e  i t ems ,a ndt h en repair them,  then it i sl ik ely the ca s e
t ha t those  repair s act u ally wa ste moreresources !Howe v e r,insofarasthe
reso urce bein g  wast e dis hu man  workti me,  ther e is o f  co ursea trad e- off to  be
m ad e.

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Pica_soO
If a compan y made  a ex tre mely endu rin g  an d time-re sist ant valuab lepro duct, 
wo u ldn't  itm ak e m o re se nsef or the co m pa nyt o  l ease the pr o d u ctout t o t h e
cust omer s - and for the s t ate to support  thi s mod elb y ma ki ng it tax-free 
af te r a time?
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maerF 0x0
IMO
 Samsung_Syncmaster 2333SW_Plus. It started
fading to_white every_time_blue was_displayed,_then it would_overflow back to
a_normal image and fade_to white.

I'm told_this_is a fault in the t-con (timing controller) board - some people
have noted it's_just_a bad_solder_connection,_so I'm going to have_a look
before I replace the_board.

I have_a donor screen that I got apart (the_2333HD)_in about four_hours, but
the 2333SW Plus... I've been trying for at_least 12 hours to get that_thing
apart. (I've sanitized_this_post.)_The sides of the_casing are free, but the
top and_bottom edges just won't let go,_and I can't afford to break the
internal_clips.

I honestly can't decide between RageGuy_and Samir's rage at the_printer not
printing_properly.

------
thght
Heaps of old stuff is_broken because of_planned obsolescence._Is it not_a
waste trying to repair that rubbish_that was originally_designed to break soon
and hard and_expensive_to repair? Lowering_tax_for_companies that_produce
sustainable products seems_more_efficient to_me.

------
jwatte
One_side effect of building for repairability_is_that objects will be bigger
and clunkier, which_will use more materials_and_cost more (and burn_more fuel)
to transport.

I'm all for_repairability, and even better, building things_that will_last 25
years,_not 25 months. But that will come at a different price_than perhaps
many expect, and in some_cases, it actually won't_make sense.

Money_is_how we measure_and_gate access_to scarce resources. If it costs more
to_build repairable_items, and then repair them, then_it is likely the_case
that_those repairs actually waste more resources!_However, insofaras the
resource being wasted is_human work time, there is_of_course_a trade-off to be
made.

------
Pica_soO
If a_company made a extremely enduring and_time-resistant valuable product,
wouldn't_it make more sense for the company_to_lease the product out to the
customers_-_and for the state to support_this_model_by making it tax-free
after a_time?

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maerF0x0
IMO