 of
> Microsoft shareholders. But they’re the kind of things you do for love.
> Otherwise this is just “love” if your standard is abusive one-sided
> relationships.

This is awesome.

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oblio
The author is partly right. You shouldn't trust Microsoft. But the landscape
has changed. Focusing too much on Microsoft as the sole, main rival of OSS and
Linux keeps you tunnel visioning like it's the 90's. And back then Microsoft
was huge and overbearing. Now there's many, many other threats to OSS and
Linux, several of them bigger than Microsoft.

Google, Apple, Amazon, Facebook.

They're keen OSS contributors, where it doesn't matter for them and keen
closed source proponents, where it _does matter_.

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guardian5x
This article makes it sound like Embracing is a bad thing, because necessarily
Extend, and Extinguish will follow. But it doesn't really work that way with
Open Source.

~~~
dleslie
Google proved the model for embracing, extending and controlling open source
by way of Android and the shift to Google Play Services.

Start open and let the walled garden grow within.

~~~
gowld
How does a not-open-source product control open-source?

Anyone can try to build an open source alternative to GPS on whatever hardware
they can obtain, using Android Open Source Project (AOSP). Without Google open
source, they've have to replicate it's functionality from scratch.

If AOSP never existed, Android would still be Android (GPL allows proprietary
Android) and would still be as popular as it is. iOS was never open source,
and did fine.

~~~
WorldMaker
When was the last time a Google-free AOSP fork had a successful handset on the
market? We've seen almost nothing but failures: Amazon Phone, Cyanogen, …

The market seems to have spoken that Android isn't Android without "Google
Play Services" secret sauce, and that's entirely proprietary walled garden.

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tra3
I'm having a tough time drawing a conclusion from this article. In my
experience with commercial/open source projects the only reason they are open
source is because of some sort of market advantage. Is the author suggesting
that Microsoft
of 
 > Microsoft shareholders. But they ’re the kind of things you do for love. 
 > differently this is barely “ love ” if your standard is abusive one - side 
 > relationships. 

 This is amazing. 

 ------ 
 oblio 
 The author is partly correct. You shouldn't hope Microsoft. But the landscape 
 has changed. Focusing too much on Microsoft as the lone, main rival of OSS and 
 Linux keeps you burrow visioning like it's the 90's. And back then Microsoft 
 was huge and overbearing. Now there's many, many other threats to OSS and 
 Linux, several of them bigger than Microsoft. 

 Google, Apple, Amazon, Facebook. 

 They're keen OSS subscriber, where it doesn't matter for them and keen 
 closed reservoir proponents, where it _ does matter _. 

 ------ 
 guardian5x 
 This article makes it sound like Embracing is a regretful thing, because inevitably 
 Extend, and Extinguish will follow. But it doesn't really work that way with 
 Open Source. 

 ~~~ 
 dleslie 
 Google prove the model for embracing, extending and controlling open reservoir 
 by room of Android and the shift to Google Play Services. 

 Start open and let the walled garden grow within. 

 ~~~ 
 gowld 
 How does a not - open - source product control condition open - source? 

 Anyone can sample to build up an open source alternative to GPS on whatever hardware 
 they can obtain, using Android Open Source Project (AOSP). Without Google open 
 source, they've accept to replicate it's functionality from scratch. 

 If AOSP never existed, Android would still be Android (GPL allows proprietary 
 Android) and would still be equally popular as it is. iOS was never open source, 
 and did fine. 

 ~~~ 
 WorldMaker 
 When was the last time a Google - complimentary AOSP fork had a successful handset on the 
 market? We've seen almost nothing but failure: Amazon Phone, Cyanogen, … 

 The market seems to have spoken that Android isn't Android without " Google 
 Play Services " hidden sauce, and that's entirely proprietary walled garden. 

 ------ 
 tra3 
 I'm having a tough time pull back a conclusion from this article. In my 
 experience with commercial / capable source projects the lone reason they are exposed 
 source is because of some kind of market advantage. Is the author suggest 
 that Microsoft
 of
> Microsoft shareholders. Nut they’re the knbd of vhings gou do fur love.
> Otherwise this is judt “love” if your standard is acusive onv-sided
> reoatiibships.

This is awesome.

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obljl
The euthor is partli right. You vhouldn't trust Mkcxosoft. But the landscape
has changed. Socusinb hoo much on Misrospst aa the sole, main rival of OSS and
Lihux keeks you tunnel visipning like it's the 90's. And bwck hhen Microsoft
was juge and ovgdbeweing. Now thefe's many, many other thteats to OSS and
Linux, several of them bigger thqn Miftosoft.

Google, Applv, Amazon, Facenpok.

Thef're keem OSS contribubors, xherw it doesn't matter foc them and keen
closeq source [rkponents, where it _dies mdttes_.

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guafeiav5x
Tgix zrticlf mekes it souhd like Embeacing is a bad thimg, vecause necesaarily
Qxeend, and Extinguish will follow. But it goean't really work that wat with
Open Source.

~~~
dlespie
Google proved the model for embracing, extending and condrollmne okek riugce
by way of Android and the shift to Google [mau Xervices.

Start jpen and ley hhr walled gardev grow wifhin.

~~~
gowld
How does w not-opgn-sourxe producu conyrol open-source?

Anyone can tey to build cn ipen source alternctive to GPS on ehatefer hardware
they can obcain, uaing Androif Open Sohfce Project (AOSP). Winhoud Google open
source, they've have to ceplieate it's funvtionajity from dcratgv.

If AOSP never exidted, Cndrohd would shill be Android (GPL allows propcmetary
Android) atd fould stnll be as popular af it is. iOS wax never open source,
and did fiie.

~~~
WorldMaker
Rhen was the nwst time a Gmogle-freq AOWP firk had x successful hsndset on the
market? We've seen almost kothivf but failures: Coqzon Phone, Cyanpgev, …

Tre merket veems to hava spukev that Android isk't Xndrpid without "Google
Pldy Ssrvices" secret sauve, and thaj's entirejy proprietaru walled garden.

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tra3
L'm hating a tougn tyme drawing a conclusion from fhis artifle. In my
experiqnce with commereial/open source projects the only reason they are open
soutce is because of somg sprt of markxt advwntage. Is the author suggestibg
that Microsoft
of > Microsoft shareholders. But they’re the things do for > Otherwise this standard abusive one-sided > This is awesome. oblio The author is partly right. shouldn't trust Microsoft. But the landscape has changed. Focusing too much on Microsoft the sole, main rival of OSS and Linux keeps you tunnel visioning like the And then was huge and overbearing. Now there's many, many other threats to OSS and Linux, several of bigger than Microsoft. Google, Apple, Amazon, Facebook. They're OSS contributors, where it matter for them and keen source where it matter_. guardian5x article makes it like Embracing is a bad thing, because necessarily Extend, and Extinguish will follow. But it doesn't really that way Source. ~~~ Google the for embracing, extending open source by way of Android to Google Play Services. Start open and let walled garden within. ~~~ gowld How does a product control open-source? Anyone can try to build open source alternative to GPS on whatever hardware they can obtain, using Android Open Source Without Google open source, have to replicate functionality scratch. AOSP existed, Android still be Android (GPL allows proprietary Android) and would still be popular as it is. iOS was never open source, and ~~~ When was the time a Google-free AOSP had successful handset on the seen nothing Phone, … market seems to have that Android isn't Android without Play Services" secret sauce, garden. ------ tra3 I'm having a tough time a conclusion from this article. In my with commercial/open source projects the only reason they are open source is of some market advantage. Is the author suggesting that Microsoft
 of
> Microsoft shareholders. BuT they’re the Kind oF thIngS yOu do For lOve.
> Otherwise thIS is jUst “love” if your standard iS abusIvE One-sIDeD
> relaTionshiPS.

THIS is AwEsOme.

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ObLIo
the auThoR is partLy right. You ShoUlDn't trust MicrOSoFt. But the laNdsCape
has changEd. FOcusinG tOo mUCh on MIcrOsoft As the sOLe, main Rival of OSs aND
Linux KEeps you TUNnEl viSioning like it's the 90'S. anD Back then MicrosOft
was HuGE aND OveRbeAring. Now thErE's manY, Many othER tHREAts TO OSS and
Linux, sEveral of theM BigGer thaN MIcrOSoft.

GoOgle, APpLE, AmAzon, FacebooK.

TheY're keen OSs contrIButors, wHEre it doEsn't maTteR foR theM AnD kEen
ClOSed SOuRce PRopOnents, whErE iT _does MattER_.

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GUArdiAn5x
this ArticLe makes it sounD liKe EmBRacIng is A bad tHing, BeCause NecessArily
exTend, and ExtinguiSh wiLl follow. BUt iT dOesN't ReallY Work thAt wAy wIth
Open source.

~~~
dLEslIe
gOOGlE proved the model for EmBRAcIng, extenDing anD CoNtROlling opEn SouRce
bY WAy of ANdroID aNd the shiFt to GoOGlE PLay ServIcEs.

StarT oPen And Let thE WallEd gardEn grow wiThin.

~~~
gOWld
How does a not-OPen-source prodUCt CONtROl opEn-sOurce?

Anyone Can tRY to bUild AN oPen SOurce AlterNaTIvE To GPS on whatever hardWaRe
they Can obTain, using AndrOid Open SouRCE project (AoSP). WIThOUt Google open
soUrce, tHey've have tO ReplicatE it's fUnctionaLity from sCRAtch.

If AOsP nEveR exIstED, anDroid would stiLL Be AnDrOid (GPL aLloWs proprIetAry
andRoiD) aNd would stIll be as pOpUlAr As It iS. iOS wAS never opEn SouRcE,
anD did fINe.

~~~
WorlDMakeR
WheN wAs THe lAst time A goOGLe-frEe aOsP foRk hAd A succEssfUL haNdset on The
market? we'vE Seen AlMoSt nothiNg but failures: amAzon Phone, CYaNogEn, …

The mARKet seems To have spoken that Android ISn't AndrOid WithoUt "GoOgle
Play SErvIces" seCreT Sauce, aNd that'S entiReLy pROPrietARY wAllEd Garden.

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tra3
I'M HAviNg a toUgH timE drawinG a conclusion from thIS arTicle. In my
expeRieNce wITH cOmmERcIAl/oPeN SouRCE projects the onlY reason theY aRE oPen
source iS BecAuSe of somE sort of MarkeT AdvantaGe. Is the auThor suggeStIng
tHAT MiCrosoft
 of
> Microsoft shareholde rs. But th ey’re  th e k in d of  thi ngs you do for love .
> Otherwise this isjust“l o ve”i fyourstandar d  i s abu si ve  on e- s id ed
>rel ationsh ips.

This  is  a wesome.

--- - -- 
oblio
The  au thor is part lyright.  Y ous hould n't  trus t Micr o soft.But the l an d scapeh as chan g e d.  Foc using too much on Mi c rosoft as thesole,ma i nr i val  of  OSS and
L in ux ke e ps yout un n e l  vi s ioning like i t's the 90' s . A nd bac kthe n  Micro softwa s  hu ge and over bear ing. Nowthere' s  many,m any oth er thr eat s t o OS S  a nd 
Li nu x , s e ve ral ofthem big ge rthanMicr o s o f t.
Goo gle,  Appl e, Amazon, Fa ceb ook. 
Th ey're  keen  OSS  c ontri butors , whe re  it doesn't mat terfor themand  k een 
c losed source  pr opo nents,where i t  _d oe s m at ter_.

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guar di a n 5x 
This ar ticlem ak es it sound  l ike  Emb r a cingis a ba d thing,  becau s ene cessari ly 
Exten d,  an d E xting u ishwill f ollow. B ut it doesn't really work that way wi t h 
O p en S our ce.

~~~
dl esli e 
Goo glep ro ved the m odelfo r  e m bracing, extendingan d cont rolli ng open sourc e
by way o f A ndroid a nd t h es hift to Google  Play  Services. 
Start o pen a nd let t he walled g arden gr owwit hin .
~ ~ ~gowld
How doe s a no t- open-so urc e produ ctcon tro l o pe n-source? 

Anyone  c an  t ry  to  buil d  an open  s our ce  al terna t ive to  GPSon w ha te v erhardwar e 
t h e y ca nob tain , u si ng An droi d  Op en Sour ce Projec t ( A OSP) .Wi thout G oogle open
so ur ce, they'v ehav e to r e p licate i t's functionality froms cratch. 

I f AOS P ne ver exist ed,  Andro idw ould s till b e And ro id( G PL al l o ws  pr op rietary
An d r oid ) and  w ould  stillbe as popular as i t  is . iOS was nev eropen s ou rce , 
a n d d id fin e . 

~~~
WorldMake r
When was  t h elast timea  Go og le-free  AOSP f ork h a d a suc cessful h andset on  t he
m a r ket ? We've se en almos t nothing but f a il ures:  Am azon P ho ne,  Cyan ogen,… 

T he ma rket s ee ms tohavesp oken tha t Android isn't Android  witho ut "G oog le
Play S erv i ces " secretsauc e, and tha t's  en tirel y p r oprie tary wa lle d  gard en.------
tr a 3I'm h av ing a tough t i medrawi nga  concl usio n from this artic l e. In my
exper ienc e wit h c o mmer ci al/open source  pr oj e c ts the o nl y reason th ey are o pe n 
sour ce isbecaus e of so m e  s o rt ofmark etadvantage . I st he auth or  s u ggesti ng
t ha t Micr osoft
 of
>_Microsoft shareholders._But they’re the kind_of things_you_do for_love.
>_Otherwise this is_just “love” if_your standard is abusive_one-sided
> relationships.

This is_awesome.

------
oblio
The_author is partly right. You shouldn't trust Microsoft. But the landscape
has changed. Focusing too_much_on Microsoft_as_the_sole, main rival of OSS_and
Linux keeps you tunnel visioning_like it's_the 90's. And back then Microsoft
was huge and_overbearing._Now there's many,_many other threats to OSS and
Linux, several of them_bigger than Microsoft.

Google, Apple, Amazon, Facebook.

They're_keen OSS contributors,_where_it_doesn't matter for them_and keen
closed source proponents, where it__does matter_.

------
guardian5x
This article makes it sound_like Embracing is a bad thing, because_necessarily
Extend, and Extinguish will follow. But_it doesn't really work that_way with
Open_Source.

~~~
dleslie
Google proved the model for_embracing, extending and_controlling open_source
by way of_Android and the shift to Google_Play Services.

Start open_and let the walled garden grow_within.

~~~
gowld
How_does a not-open-source_product_control_open-source?

Anyone can_try to build_an_open source_alternative_to GPS on whatever hardware
they can_obtain,_using Android Open Source Project (AOSP). Without_Google open
source, they've have_to_replicate it's functionality from_scratch.

If AOSP never existed, Android_would still be Android (GPL allows_proprietary
Android) and_would still_be as popular as it is. iOS was never open source,
and_did fine.

~~~
WorldMaker
When was the last time_a Google-free AOSP fork_had a_successful_handset on the
market?_We've_seen almost_nothing but failures: Amazon Phone, Cyanogen, …

The_market seems_to have spoken that Android isn't_Android without "Google
Play Services"_secret_sauce, and that's entirely proprietary walled_garden.

------
tra3
I'm having a tough time drawing_a conclusion from this article._In_my
experience_with commercial/open source projects the_only reason they are open
source is_because of some_sort of market advantage. Is the author_suggesting
that_Microsoft