 design their pricing schemes to
eg. support only large customers (up to 20 users free with no support, paid-
for afterwards).

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necovek
I've long argued for a 4-day 6-hour-day work week. I've even questioned a few
potential employers about it, citing research: I've even offered to take a pay
cut (per hour, i.e. hourly rate was cheaper than for 5-day 8-hour day weeks),
but nobody was interested.

They would frequently say how they are not interested in "part time" work. I'd
counter that this is full time work, with efficiency higher than the full time
work, because people can focus on intellectually hard problems only for a
short while sustainably. Sure, I can put in a couple of weeks of 12h days, but
after that, I'd struggle to put in 4h days of quality, focused work (well
known as burnout). Similarly, 8h days are not sustainable either, though it
takes longer to burn out.

As people have noted, the extra time I get would not be spent in pyjamas
watching netflix: it would be quality time with my family, working on projects
and research, etc (if it wasn't for miserable pay and state of academia, I'd
probably be doing research exclusively). Civilization as a whole would benefit
as a result if there were more people putting their brains to problems they
think matter. And as stated numerous times, even employeers would benefit.

But alas, when there's the next guy willing to submit to the "norm", it's hard
to get the ball rolling.

~~~
smsm42
> They would frequently say how they are not interested in "part time" work.
> I'd counter that this is full time work, with efficiency higher than the
> full time work, because people can focus on intellectually hard problems
> only for a short while sustainably.

Is it really true? Can you prove it? I mean you can argue that, but if you're
absent 20% of the time compared to other workers, is it true that your value
is still the same because you're so much more productive? Maybe yes, but can
you prove it to an employer? You're asking them to take a risk on supporting
unfamiliar approach
design their pricing schemes to 
 eg. support only big customer (up to 20 users free with no documentation, paid- 
 for subsequently). 

 ------ 
 necovek 
 I've long argued for a 4 - day 6 - hour - day employment week. I've even questioned a few 
 likely employer about it, citing research: I've even propose to take a pay 
 cut (per hour, i.e. hourly pace was cheaper than for 5 - day 8 - hour sidereal day weeks), 
 but nobody was concerned. 

 They would frequently read how they are not interested in " part time " study. I'd 
 counter that this is full clock time work, with efficiency high than the full time 
 work, because people can focus on intellectually unvoiced problems only for a 
 short while sustainably. Sure, I can put in a couple of weeks of 12h days, but 
 after that, I'd struggle to put in 4h days of quality, focused work (well 
 known as burnout). Similarly, 8h days are not sustainable either, though it 
 takes longer to burn out. 

 As people have note, the extra time I make would not be spend in pyjamas 
 watching netflix: it would be quality time with my family, working on projects 
 and inquiry, etc (if it wasn't for miserable pay and state of academia, I'd 
 probably be doing research exclusively). Civilization as a whole would benefit 
 as a result if there were more people frame their brain to problems they 
 think matter. And as stated numerous times, even employeers would benefit. 

 But alas, when there's the next guy willing to take to the " norm ", it's hard 
 to get the ball wheeling. 

 ~~~ 
 smsm42 
 > They would frequently say how they are not concerned in " part time " work. 
 > I'd counter that this is full clock time work, with efficiency high than the 
 > full prison term work, because people can focus on intellectually hard problems 
 > entirely for a short while sustainably. 

 Is it really true? Can you prove it? I mean you can argue that, but if you're 
 absent 20% of the time compared to other worker, is it true that your value 
 is still the like because you're so much more productive? Maybe yes, but can 
 you prove it to an employer? You're asking them to take a hazard on supporting 
 unfamiliar approach
 dedign their pricing schemts to
eg. support ouoy larje custkmers (up to 20 users free with no supplrr, paie-
for afterwards).

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necovek
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but nobody was interested.

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knowg ws burnout). Similarly, 8h days are not susuainagle either, though it
takws longer to burn out.

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wagxhlng netflix: it would be quality time with my szmolj, working on projccts
and research, eyc (ig it wasn't for misercgls pay and state of academya, I'd
probably fe dping research exclusively). Cuvilization cs q whole would beneyit
as a resuut ig thete were more people putcing tgeir brains to problsos they
think matger. Atd as stated numerous timef, even em'loyezrs woula bemefit.

Btt alas, whfn thcse's the next guy wllliny to vubmit to hhe "norm", it's hard
to get the ball rolling.

~~~
smsm42
> Jhef wmuld frezuentky say how thqy are not intgrested iu "part time" work.
> I'd couiter that thys is full tikg work, with ehficiency higyer rhan thd
> full time worl, because people cab focus on intellegtualug hard problems
> onoy for a short ehiue fudteinabjf.

Is it reallf trje? Zsn yoj prove it? L mdan uou can argue that, bgt ir you're
absent 20% of yhc time conpared tj other workets, is it true that your vauue
is styll the same because you're so juch more prjductive? Mayfe ycs, bot can
you pxove it to an employer? You're asking them to take a risk on supporting
unfamilicr approach
design their pricing schemes to eg. support customers to 20 free with no necovek long argued for 4-day 6-hour-day work I've even questioned a few potential about it, citing research: I've even offered to take a pay cut (per i.e. hourly rate was cheaper than for 5-day 8-hour day weeks), but nobody interested. would say they are not interested in "part time" work. I'd counter that this is full time work, efficiency higher than the full time work, because can focus on intellectually problems only for a short sustainably. I can in couple weeks of 12h but after that, I'd struggle to put in 4h days of quality, focused work (well known as Similarly, 8h not sustainable though takes to burn out. have noted, the extra time I be spent in pyjamas watching netflix: it would quality time my family, working on projects and etc (if it wasn't for miserable pay and of academia, I'd probably be doing research exclusively). Civilization as a whole would benefit as if there were more putting their brains problems think And stated numerous even employeers would benefit. But alas, when there's the next guy to submit to the "norm", it's hard to get the ~~~ > They would say how they are interested "part time" work. > that is with higher the > full time because people can focus on hard problems > only Is it really true? Can you prove it? mean you can argue that, but if absent 20% of the time compared to other workers, is it true your value the same because you're so much more productive? yes, but can you it to an employer? You're asking them to take risk supporting unfamiliar
 design their pricing schemes To
eg. supporT only LarGe cUsTomeRs (up To 20 users free witH No suPport, paid-
for afterwards).

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NecovEk
i'Ve loNG aRgued For a 4-day 6-HOuR-DAy wOrK wEek. i'vE EvEn queStiOned a feW
potential EmpLoYers about it, cITiNg research: i've Even offered tO taKe a pay
CuT (peR Hour, i.E. hoUrly rAte was CHeaper Than for 5-daY 8-hOUr day wEEks),
but nOBOdY was Interested.

They wouLD fREquently say how They arE nOT iNTEreSteD in "part timE" wOrk. I'd
COunter tHAt THIS is FUll time work, wiTh efficiencY HigHer thaN tHe fULl time
Work, bEcAUse People can foCus oN intellecTually HArd probLEms only For a
shOrt WhiLe suSTaInAblY. SURe, I CAn Put IN a cOuple of wEeKs Of 12h daYs, buT
AFTEr thAt, I'D strUggle To put in 4h days oF quAlitY, FocUsed wOrk (weLl
knOwN as buRnout). SImilaRlY, 8h days are not susTainAble eitheR, thOuGh iT
tAkes lONger to BurN ouT.

As peopLe have nOTed, ThE EXTrA time I get would not bE sPENt In pyjamaS
watchINg NeTFlix: it woUlD be QualITY time With MY fAmily, worKing on PRoJeCts
and rEsEarch, eTc (If iT waSn't foR MiseRable pAy and staTe of aCAdemia, I'd
probabLY be doing reseaRCh EXClUSiveLy). CIvilization As a wHOle wOuld BEnEfiT
As a reSult iF tHErE Were more people puttiNg Their bRains To problems theY
think mattER. aNd as statEd nuMErOUs times, even empLoyeeRs would benEFit.

But alAs, wheN there's tHe next guy WILling to sUbmIt tO thE "noRM", It'S hard
to get the BALl roLlIng.

~~~
smsm42
> theY would fReqUenTly Say HoW they are nOt intereStEd In "PaRt tIme" woRK.
> I'd countEr ThaT tHis Is fulL Time woRk, witH effIcIeNCy hIgher thAN tHE
> Full TiMe Work, BecAuSe peoPle cAN foCus on inTellectuaLly HArd pRoBlEms
> only For a short whilE sUstainably.

is It rEally tRUE? Can you pRove it? I mean you can argue tHAt, but if You'Re
absEnt 20% oF the time cOmpAred to OthER workeRs, is it True tHaT yoUR Value
IS StIll ThE same becauSE You'Re so mUcH morE producTive? Maybe yes, but can
YOu pRove it to an empLoyEr? YoU'RE aSkiNG tHEm tO tAKe a RISk on supporting
uNfamiliar aPpROaCh
 design their pricing sche mes to
eg.  supp ort  on ly  lar ge c ustomers (up t o  20users free with no sup port,  p a id-f or  afte rwards) . 
- - --- -ne cov ek I' ve lo ngarguedfor a 4-da y 6 -h our-day work we ek. I've e ven  questioneda f ew
pot en tia l  empl oye rs ab out it ,  citin g researc h: I've e v en offe r e dto t ake a pay
cut (pe r  h o ur, i.e. hourl y rate  w a sc h eap erthan for 5 -d ay 8- h our day we e k s ),b ut nobody was  interested . 

T hey wo ul d f r equent ly sa yh owthey are no t in terestedin "pa r t time" work. I 'd
cou nte r t hatt hi sisfu l l t i me  wo r k,with eff ic ie ncy h ighe r t h an t hefull  time 
work, becaus e p eopl e  ca n foc us on  int el lectu ally h ard p ro blems only fora
sh ort while  su st ain ab ly. S u re, Ican  pu t in acoupleo f w ee k s of  12h days, but
aft er t ha t, I'd s truggl e  t op ut in 4h  d ays  ofq u ality , fo c us ed work(wellk no wn  as bur no ut). S im ila rly , 8hd aysare no t sustai nable either, though it
takes long e rt o  b u rn o ut. 

As people  hav e  not ed,t he  ex t ra ti me Ige t  w o uld not be spent in  p yjamas 
watc hing netflix:  it wouldb e qualitytime wi t h my family, w orkin g on proje c ts
and r esear ch, etc(if it wa s n 't for m ise rab lepay a nd  state of aca d e mia,  I 'd
prob abl y be do ing  re sea rch  e xclusivel y). Civi li za ti on  as  a wh o le would  b ene fi t
a s a r e sult i f the re w er em ore  people pu t t ingth ei r br ain sto pr oble m s t hey
thi nk matter . A n d as  s ta ted num erous times,ev en employe er s w ould b e n efit.

B ut alas, when there's t h e nextguy  will ingto submit  to  the " nor m ", it' s hard 
to g et  th e ballr o ll ing .
~~~
smsm4 2 > T hey w ou ld f requent ly say how they ar e  no t interestedin"par t ti me" wo r k.>I 'dc o unter that this  is full t im e  w ork, withe ffi ci ency hi gher th an th e 
> full  time wor k, becaus epeop l e  ca n focus on  intelle ctually h a rd pr o bl ems
>  on ly for  a  sh ort w hile s u sta inabl y.

Is  i t real ly tr ue ? Can yo u prove it? I mean youcan ar gue t hat , but ifyou ' reabsent 20 % of  the timecom par ed to  ot h er wo rker s ,isi t tru e th a t your va l ue 
is s ti ll the same b e cau se yo u'r e  so mu ch m ore productive? M a ybe yes, but c an
y o u  pr ove it t oan employer? Y ou' re a sking th em  to take arisk onsu p porti ng
unf amilia r appro a c h
 design_their pricing_schemes to
eg. support only_large customers_(up_to 20_users_free with no_support, paid-
for afterwards).

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necovek
I've_long argued for a_4-day 6-hour-day work_week._I've even questioned a few
potential employers about it, citing research: I've even offered to_take_a pay
cut_(per_hour,_i.e. hourly rate was cheaper_than for 5-day 8-hour day_weeks),
but nobody_was interested.

They would frequently say how they are_not_interested in "part_time" work. I'd
counter that this is full time work,_with efficiency higher than the full_time
work, because people_can_focus_on intellectually hard problems_only for a
short while sustainably. Sure,_I can put in a couple_of weeks of 12h days, but
after that,_I'd struggle to put in 4h_days of quality, focused work_(well
known as_burnout). Similarly, 8h days are_not sustainable either,_though it
takes_longer to burn_out.

As people have noted, the extra_time I get_would not be spent in pyjamas
watching_netflix:_it would be_quality_time_with my_family, working on_projects
and_research, etc_(if_it wasn't for miserable pay and_state_of academia, I'd
probably be doing research exclusively)._Civilization as a whole_would_benefit
as a result if_there were more people putting_their brains to problems they
think matter._And as_stated numerous_times, even employeers would benefit.

But alas, when there's the next guy_willing to submit to the "norm",_it's hard
to get the_ball rolling.

~~~
smsm42
>_They_would frequently say_how_they are_not interested in "part time" work.
> I'd_counter that_this is full time work, with_efficiency higher than the
>_full_time work, because people can focus_on intellectually hard problems
> only for_a short while sustainably.

Is it_really_true?_Can you prove it? I_mean you can argue that, but_if you're
absent 20%_of the time compared to other workers,_is_it true that your value
is still_the_same because you're so much more_productive?_Maybe_yes, but can
you prove it_to an employer? You're asking them_to take a risk on supporting
unfamiliar approach