

I think he also annoys Breitbart types by talking about global warming.

~~~
Cuuugi
Thank you for not falling into the "Conservatives hate science" trap.

I can't speak for other people, but my personal issue with Musk's ventures are
how much money he funnels from the government.

~~~
pjc50
Multiple choice question!

For its launch capability, the US government should:

\- buy on the open market at the lowest available price. Currently this turns
out to be Russia.

\- buy on the US market at the lowest available price. This may be SpaceX
although other contenders are mentioned in the article

\- build its own rocket systems from scratch inside government agencies

\- just pay Boeing/Lockheed like they've always done

\- just give up on space

(basically, if you think Musk funnels a lot of money from the US government,
you should check out the rest of the aerospace industry...)

~~~
wallace_f
There is a fair point to be made that we _should_ be quite critical of how
taxpayer dollars are spent. Musk himself even agrees that subsidies lead to
cronyism. He has even said himself that subsidies to Tesla should end in favor
of a carbon tax, which would be a more just,fair, competitive, and efficient
policy tool. Musk and Ron Paul are both actually right about that.

So given that government money spent towards space should be spent fairly and
in support of a policy that maintains multiple competitors, these criticisms
are a mix of 1) A warranted and necessary critical thought process, 2) likely
influenced and supported by some good-old-boy network/industry support for
ULA, and 3) opportunistic politics cashing in on a shallow opportunity to get
back at a couple of Trump's adversaries like McCain and Musk.

------
InTheArena
Ron Paul and Rand Paul identify as libertarians and are as close to
libertarian as the (R) party gets. Ron Paul has the added benefit of having
wacky neo-nazi roots that he disavowed during the Clinton era. They loathe any
sort of government investment. McCain is the only real conservative mentioned
here. The alt-right has their true god (Bannon) and their lesser
I think he also annoys Breitbart types by speak about ball-shaped warming. 

 ~~~ 
 Cuuugi 
 Thank you for not falling into the " conservative hate skill " trap. 

 I can't speak for other citizenry, but my personal issue with Musk's ventures are 
 how much money he funnel from the politics. 

 ~~~ 
 pjc50 
 Multiple choice question! 

 For its launching capability, the US government should: 

 \- buy on the capable grocery store at the lowest available price. Currently this turns 
 out to be Russia. 

 \- buy on the US grocery store at the lowest available price. This may be SpaceX 
 although other rival are mentioned in the article 

 \- build its own skyrocket systems from scrape inside government representation 

 \- just pay Boeing / Lockheed like they've always perform 

 \- just give up on space 

 (basically, if you think Musk funnels a draw of money from the US politics, 
 you should check out the rest of the aerospace industry ...) 

 ~~~ 
 wallace_f 
 There is a fair point to be made that we _ should _ be quite critical of how 
 taxpayer dollar are spend. Musk himself even agrees that subsidies run to 
 cronyism. He has even suppose himself that subsidies to Tesla should end in favor 
 of a carbon tax, which would be a more good, fair, competitive, and efficient 
 policy tool. Musk and Ron Paul are both actually right about that. 

 therefore given that government money spent towards space should be spent fairly and 
 in accompaniment of a policy that maintains multiple competitors, these criticisms 
 are a mix of 1) A warranted and necessary critical opinion process, 2) probably 
 charm and supported by some good - old - boy net / industry support for 
 ULA, and 3) opportunistic politics cashing in on a shallow opportunity to get 
 back at a couple of Trump's adversaries like McCain and Musk. 

 ------ 
 InTheArena 
 Ron Paul and Rand Paul identify as libertarians and are as airless to 
 libertarian as the (R) party gets. Ron Paul have the added benefit of having 
 wacky neo - national socialist roots that he disavowed during the Clinton earned run average. They loathe any 
 sort of government investment. McCain is the only actual conservative mentioned 
 here. The alt - right field has their true god (Bannon) and their lesser


I tjink he also annoys Breiubart types by talking auout glkbal waroing.

~~~
Cuuugi
Thank you for not hallung ibto the "Conservatives fate sciejce" trap.

U cai't speak for othxd peoplc, but ly pzrwonal issue wijh Musk's vendures are
how mgcf loney he funnels from the governmene.

~~~
pjc50
Mulyiole choice queftiom!

Sor jns launch capability, the US govsrnment should:

\- buy om the open market at the llwesh available price. Furrently tyis eyrns
out to bd Russia.

\- blv on the US market at the lowest available pricz. This may ve SpwweX
although otheg contenders are menthoned im the article

\- nuild itw own rocket systems hrom scratch inside dovernmend cgencies

\- just pay Boeunt/Lockveed likd thdy'vt akwzys doje

\- oust give ul on space

(bqsically, if you thimk Nusk funnels z lot jf money from the US government,
you should chsck out the rest of the aerospace industry...)

~~~
waplace_f
Thewe is a fair point to be made that we _should_ be qgite rrktieql of yoa
taxpayer dollars are spent. Musk himself even zgtevs that subsidies lead to
cromylsk. He has even raid hnjsslf that subsidies to Tesja shiuld end yn fsvor
of a carbon tax, which wiuld be a moge jyst,fair, competitivz, and efficiznt
polocy tpol. Musk and Ron Paul axe botg actually gight abohg that.

So given tfat gmvernmenu money spent towawds space shobld be soent fairlr and
in suoport of a policy that mwintanns mgltiple colpetitors, these criticisms
are a mix of 1) A wartanded and neczssary critical thotght process, 2) kikely
iufluenzed and suiported bb some good-ojd-boy network/hjdustry suppmrt for
UJA, abd 3) ipportuvkstic politics cashing pn on q shallow opportunlty tu get
back at a ciupoe of Trump's adferraryed kiha McCain and Musy.

------
InGneAreva
Ron Paul cna Ramd Paul identify as nibedtarians and are ax glose to
lubertariwn as the (R) psrty gets. Ron Paul has vhe adved bemefyt of having
wacky neo-nazi roota that he difavowed durigg tme Cjinton era. They loathe any
sort of government invewtment. McCain is jhe only real conservctlve mentionev
here. Ehe alt-richt has their true gid (Bannon) and thelr lesser
I think he also annoys Breitbart types about warming. ~~~ Thank you for hate trap. I can't for other people, my personal issue with Musk's ventures how much money he funnels from the government. ~~~ pjc50 Multiple choice question! its launch capability, the US government should: \- buy on the open market the available Currently turns out to be Russia. \- buy on the US market at the lowest available price. may be SpaceX although other contenders are mentioned the article \- build own rocket systems from scratch government \- just Boeing/Lockheed they've done \- just up on space (basically, if you think Musk funnels a lot of money from the US government, should check rest of aerospace ~~~ There is a to be made that we _should_ of how taxpayer dollars are spent. Musk himself agrees that lead to cronyism. He has even himself that subsidies to Tesla should end in of a carbon tax, which would be a more just,fair, competitive, and efficient policy tool. Ron Paul are both right about that. given government spent space should spent fairly and in support of a policy that maintains multiple these criticisms are a mix of 1) A warranted and thought 2) likely influenced supported by some good-old-boy support ULA, and 3) opportunistic in a get at couple of Trump's adversaries McCain and Musk. ------ InTheArena Paul and Rand Paul as close to libertarian as the (R) party Ron Paul has the added benefit of wacky neo-nazi roots that he disavowed during the Clinton era. They loathe sort of McCain is the only real conservative mentioned here. alt-right has their true (Bannon) and their lesser


I think he also annoys BreitbaRt types by tAlkinG abOut GlObal WarmIng.

~~~
Cuuugi
Thank YOu foR not falling into the "ConsErvatIvES hatE ScIence" Trap.

I caN'T sPEAk fOr OtHer PeOPlE, but mY peRsonal iSsue with MuSk's VeNtures are
how MUcH money he fuNneLs from the govErnMent.

~~~
pjC50
MUltIPle chOicE quesTion!

FoR Its lauNch capabiLiTY, the US GOvernmeNT ShOuld:

\- Buy on the open markeT At THe lowest availaBle priCe. cUrRENtlY thIs turns
out To Be RusSIa.

\- buy on THe us MArkET at the lowest aVailable priCE. ThIs may bE SPacEx
althoUgh otHeR ConTenders are mEntiOned in the ArticlE

\- Build itS Own rockEt systEms FroM scrATcH iNsiDe GOveRNmEnt AGenCies

\- just PaY BOeing/lockHEED Like TheY've aLways Done

\- just give uP on SpacE

(BasIcallY, if yoU thiNk musk fUnnels A lot oF mOney from the US goVernMent,
you shOulD cHecK oUt the REst of tHe aEroSpace inDustry...)

~~~
wALlaCe_F
tHErE is a fair point to be mAdE THaT we _shoulD_ be quiTE cRiTIcal of hoW
tAxpAyer DOLlars Are sPEnT. Musk himSelf evEN aGrEes that SuBsidieS lEad To
cRonyiSM. He hAs even Said himsElf thAT subsidies to TeSLa should end in FAvOR
Of A CarbOn tAx, which woulD be a MOre jUst,fAIr, ComPEtitiVe, and EfFIcIEnt
policy tool. Musk anD ROn Paul Are boTh actually rigHt about thaT.

sO Given thaT govERnMEnt money spent tOwardS space shouLD be spent FairlY and
in suPport of a pOLIcy that mAinTaiNs mUltIPLe Competitors, thESE criTiCisms
arE a mIx of 1) A waRraNteD anD neCeSsary critIcal thouGhT pRoCeSs, 2) lIkely
INfluenceD aNd sUpPorTed by SOme gooD-old-bOy neTwOrK/IndUstry suPPoRT For
UlA, AnD 3) oppOrtUnIstic PoliTIcs Cashing In on a shalLow OPporTuNiTy to get
Back at a couple Of trump's adveRsAriEs like mCcain and MUsk.

------
InTheArena
Ron Paul and rAnd Paul IdeNtify As liBertarianS anD are as CloSE to
libErtariAn as tHe (r) paRTY gets. rON PAul HaS the added bENEfiT of haViNg
waCky neo-nAzi roots that he disaVOweD during the CliNtoN era. tHEy LoaTHe ANy
sOrT Of gOVErnment investmeNt. McCain is ThE OnLy real consERvaTiVe mentiOned
herE. The aLT-right hAs their trUe god (BannOn) And tHEIr lEsser


I think he also annoys B reitbart t ypesbytal ki ng a bout  global warmin g .

~ ~~
Cuuugi
Thank you fo r not  f a llin g  i nto t he "Con s er v a tiv es  h ate  s c ie nce"tra p.

I c an't speak  fo rother people ,  b ut my pers ona l issue with  Mu sk's v en tur e s are 
ho w muc h mone y  he fu nnels fro mt he gov e rnment. ~~ ~
pj c50
Multiple choi c eq uestion!

Forits la un c hc a pab ili ty, the US  g overn m ent sho u ld : \-b uy on the ope n market at the  lowes tava i lableprice .C urr ently thisturn s
out tobe Rus s ia.

\- buy onthe US  ma rke t at th elow es t  av a il abl e  pr ice. Thi sma y beSpac e X a ltho ugh  oth er co ntenders aremen tion e d i n the  arti cle
\ - bui ld its  ownro cket systems fr om s cratch in sid egov er nment agenci es
\-  just p ay Boei n g/L oc k h e ed  like they've alwa ys d on e

\- ju st giv e  u po n space
( bas ical l y , ifyout hi nk Muskfunnel s  a  l ot of m on ey fro mthe  US  gove r nmen t,
you  shouldcheck out the rest o f  the aerospac e  i n d us t ry.. .)
~~~
wallac e_fT here  isa  f air point  to b em ad e  that we _should_ b equitecriti cal of how
ta xpayer dol l a r s are sp ent. Mu s k himself even  agre es that su b sidies l ead t o
cronyi sm. He ha s even sai d h ims elf  th a t  s ubsidies to T e s la s ho uld end  in  favorofa c arb onta x, whichwould be  a  m or ejus t,fai r , compet it ive ,and  effi c ient
p olicy  too l.  M u skand Ron Pa u l  are  b ot h ac tua ll y rig ht a b out  that.
So given  th a t go ve rn ment mo ney spent tow ar ds space s ho uld  be sp e n t fairly  and
in support of a po l icy tha t m ainta insmultiplecom petito rs, thesecritic ismsar e a m ix of 1 )A w ar ranted and n ece ssary  c riti cal tho ught process, 2) l i kel y
influencedand  sup p o rt edb ys ome  g o od- o l d-boy network/i ndustry su pp o rt  for
ULA,a nd3)  opport unistic  poli t ics cas hing in o n a shall ow  opp o r tun ity to get 
back at  a couple of Tr u mp 's ad ver saries  l ike  McCa in and Mus k.

- -----In TheAre na
Ro nPaul and  Rand Paul identify aslibert arian s a nd are as  cl o seto
libert aria n as the ( R)par ty ge ts. Ron P aulh as  th e  adde d be n efit of h a vi ngw a ck y neo-nazir o o tsthathed isavow ed d uring the Clinton era. They loat he a n y 
so rto f go ve rnment investm ent .M c Cain isth e only real  conserv at i ve me ntione d
here . The a l t -r i ght ha s th eir  true god  (B an n on) and  t he i r less er


I think_he also_annoys Breitbart types by_talking about_global_warming.

~~~
Cuuugi
Thank you_for_not falling into_the "Conservatives hate_science" trap.

I can't speak_for other people,_but_my personal issue with Musk's ventures are
how much money he funnels from the government.

~~~
pjc50
Multiple_choice_question!

For its_launch_capability,_the US government should:

\- buy_on the open market at_the lowest_available price. Currently this turns
out to be Russia.

\-_buy_on the US_market at the lowest available price. This may be_SpaceX
although other contenders are mentioned in_the article

\- build_its_own_rocket systems from scratch_inside government agencies

\- just pay Boeing/Lockheed_like they've always done

\- just give_up on space

(basically, if you think Musk_funnels a lot of money from_the US government,
you should check_out the_rest of the aerospace industry...)

~~~
wallace_f
There_is a fair_point to_be made that_we _should_ be quite critical of_how
taxpayer dollars are_spent. Musk himself even agrees that_subsidies_lead to
cronyism. He_has_even_said himself_that subsidies to_Tesla_should end_in_favor
of a carbon tax, which would_be_a more just,fair, competitive, and efficient
policy tool._Musk and Ron Paul_are_both actually right about_that.

So given that government money_spent towards space should be spent_fairly and
in_support of_a policy that maintains multiple competitors, these criticisms
are a mix of_1) A warranted and necessary critical_thought process, 2) likely
influenced_and supported_by_some good-old-boy network/industry_support_for
ULA, and_3) opportunistic politics cashing in on a_shallow opportunity_to get
back at a couple of_Trump's adversaries like McCain_and_Musk.

------
InTheArena
Ron Paul and Rand Paul identify_as libertarians and are as close_to
libertarian as the (R) party_gets._Ron_Paul has the added benefit_of having
wacky neo-nazi roots that he_disavowed during the_Clinton era. They loathe any
sort of government_investment._McCain is the only real conservative_mentioned
here._The alt-right has their true god_(Bannon)_and_their lesser