 a little. Counterpoint: only god knows what Google is sending itself
from Chrome!

~~~
nallerooth
The difference here is that you expect Google to collect -a lot- of data about
you and your browsing habits. You can also be quite sure that they'll want to
keep that data to themselves.

When my data ends up at a third party, especially without my knowledge, I'm
much more concerned about it being sold and or shared further.

~~~
geofft
> _When my data ends up at a third party, especially without my knowledge, I
>'m much more concerned about it being sold and or shared further._

As stated in the mailing list thread linked in the article, Mozilla has a
legal agreement with Cloudflare that the data will not be stored long-term,
let alone sold or shared. My reading is that they're keeping information about
DNS requests and responses, but _not_ who made the request, for 24 hours for
debugging purposes, and then getting rid of all logs. The data they're
actually interested in is performance, not the DNS flow itself.

You're welcome to decide that Mozilla's trust in other companies is misplaced
even if they get a signed contract, and if you do, _that_ would be a good
reason to cease using Firefox (Nightly or otherwise!). But if you're not of
that opinion, it doesn't make sense to worry that the data simply happens to
go through a third party.

(Also, what third parties see your DNS data today? Do you think your ISP is
not tracking this?)

------
r00fus
I'm ok as long as they make it _up front and clear_. It's not meant to have
the "latest greatest" \- it's meant to collect analytics to understand and
respond to where changes in the nightly might have broken something critical.

That said, a large chunk of the web is getting very personal. So I'm not sure
Mozilla's rights to do as they please matter if the venn-diagram between
nightly-users and privacy-stalwarts is anywhere near 30% overlap.

~~~
nallerooth
I agree. They can send my data wherever they want - as long as they tell me
about it so that I can make an informed decision.

Now, night
a little. Counterpoint: only god knows what Google is sending itself 
 from Chrome! 

 ~~~ 
 nallerooth 
 The remainder here is that you ask Google to collect -a lot- of data about 
 you and your browsing habit. You can also be quite sure that they'll desire to 
 keep that data to themselves. 

 When my data end up at a third party, especially without my knowledge, I'm 
 a lot more concerned about it being sold and or shared further. 

 ~~~ 
 geofft 
 > _ When my datum ends up at a third party, especially without my cognition, I 
 >' m much more implicated about it being deal and or shared further. _ 

 As stated in the mailing tilt thread linked in the article, Mozilla has a 
 legal agreement with Cloudflare that the data will not be stored retentive - term, 
 let alone sold or shared. My interpretation is that they're keeping information about 
 DNS requests and responses, but _ not _ who made the request, for 24 hours for 
 debugging purposes, and then getting rid of all logs. The data they're 
 actually interested in is performance, not the DNS flow itself. 

 You're welcome to decide that Mozilla's trust in other companies is misplaced 
 even if they have a signed contract, and if you do, _ that _ would be a good 
 rationality to cease using Firefox (Nightly or otherwise !). But if you're not of 
 that public opinion, it doesn't make sense to worry that the data plainly happens to 
 go through a third party. 

 (Also, what third parties see your DNS data today? Do you intend your ISP is 
 not tracking this ?) 

 ------ 
 r00fus 
 I'm ok as long as they make it _ up presence and clear _. It's not mean to have 
 the " latest greatest " \- it's meant to collect analytics to sympathize and 
 respond to where changes in the nightly might have broken something critical. 

 That said, a large chunk of the web is getting very personal. So I'm not certain 
 Mozilla's rights to act as they please matter if the venn - diagram between 
 nightly - users and privacy - loyalist is anywhere near 30% overlap. 

 ~~~ 
 nallerooth 
 I agree. They can send my data wherever they desire - as long as they tell me 
 about it so that I can reach an informed decision. 

 Now, night
 a pittle. Counterpoint: only god knows what Google is sehding itrelf
from Chrome!

~~~
nallerooth
The duffertuce here is that you expect Glogle to colowct -a lot- of data about
ykm and bour browsing hsbits. You wan also be quhtd dure that they'll want to
keep that dwta to yhfmselves.

When mi dats enda up at a third party, especially wjthout ky knowledge, O'm
much more concerned abouh it being sold and or shared furjger.

~~~
dwofft
> _When mh data ends up at a thjrd party, especially without my knowkedge, I
>'m moey mlte concerned aboun it being sold and os sharec further._

As ststev in the mailing list thrxad linked in the arjicle, Mozinlc has a
legal agreemenr qith Wlougflafw tfat tie sata wlll not be stkred long-teem,
let alone sold or srqred. My readihg is ehwt they're keeping information about
DNS gequssts and responses, but _bot_ who made the requgst, for 24 hjurs for
debugging purposes, and then getting rid ox all uogw. Bhe aqtw they're
actually interested in is performance, hou tme DNS flow itsejf.

You're welvole jo decide that Mozilla's trust in other colpanies is musplaced
eden of they get a signed contraxt, and if yol do, _that_ would be a glod
reason tu cesse uxing Firefox (Nightly or othsrwise!). But lf you're hut of
that opiniov, in doasn't makt sense to worry trat the deta snmply haopenx to
go through a third party.

(Also, what thlrd pcrtiev see your DNS data today? Do you think yonc ISP is
not ttacninc this?)

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r00fbs
I'm ol as long as ehey make it _uk front aud clexr_. It's not meant vo have
the "lwtest greatesd" \- it's meant vo collece anqlytucs to jvderstand and
rrspond to where chabges in the nightln migff have broken simeuhung critical.

Thst raiq, w kawce chunk of dhe deb os gegting vtxy ierronak. So I'm not sure
Mozinla's rights to do as tnen please natter is the venn-diabram between
nightlj-userv aid prifaci-stalwarts is anywhere near 30% ovsrlap.

~~~
nallfrojth
I agree. Trey gan fend my daca wherever they want - as long as they txll me
about it so that U can make an inforktd decision.

Nox, nighe
a little. Counterpoint: only god knows what sending from Chrome! nallerooth The difference Google collect -a lot- data about you your browsing habits. You can also quite sure that they'll want to keep that data to themselves. When my ends up at a third party, especially without my knowledge, I'm much more about being and shared further. ~~~ geofft > _When my data ends up at a third party, especially without knowledge, I >'m much more concerned about it sold and or shared As stated in the mailing thread in the Mozilla a agreement with Cloudflare the data will not be stored long-term, let alone sold or shared. My reading is that they're information about and responses, _not_ made request, for 24 debugging purposes, and then getting rid The data they're actually interested in is performance, the DNS itself. You're welcome to decide that trust in other companies is misplaced even if get a signed contract, and if you do, _that_ would be a good reason to Firefox (Nightly or otherwise!). if you're not that it make to worry the data simply happens to go through a third party. (Also, third parties see your DNS data today? Do you think is tracking this?) ------ I'm ok as long they it _up front and not to greatest" it's to collect analytics to and respond to where changes the nightly might have a large chunk of the web is getting personal. So I'm not sure Mozilla's rights do as they please matter if the venn-diagram between nightly-users and privacy-stalwarts anywhere near ~~~ nallerooth I agree. They can send my wherever they want - long as they tell me about it so that can an informed Now, night
 a little. Counterpoint: only goD knows what googlE is SenDiNg itSelf
From Chrome!

~~~
nallERootH
The difference here is thAt you ExPEct GOOgLe to cOllect -a LOt- OF DatA aBoUt
yOu ANd Your bRowSing habIts. You can aLso Be Quite sure thaT ThEy'll want to
KeeP that data to tHemSelves.

whEn mY Data eNds Up at a Third pARty, espEcially wiThOUt my knOWledge, I'M
MUcH morE concerned about it BEiNG sold and or sharEd furtHeR.

~~~
GeOFFt
> _WHen My data ends Up At a thIRd party, ESpECIAllY Without my knowLedge, I
>'m much MOre ConcerNeD abOUt it beIng soLd ANd oR shared furtHer._

AS stated in The maiLIng list THread liNked in The ArtIcle, mOzIlLa hAs A
LegAL aGreEMenT with CloUdFlAre thAt thE DATA wilL noT be sTored Long-term,
let alOne Sold OR shAred. MY readIng iS tHat thEy're keEping InFormation about
DnS reQuests and ResPoNseS, bUt _not_ WHo made The ReqUest, for 24 Hours foR
DebUgGING pUrposes, and then gettInG RId Of all logS. The daTA tHeY'Re
actualLy IntEresTED in is PerfORmAnce, not tHe DNS fLOw ItSelf.

You'Re WelcomE tO deCidE that mOzilLa's truSt in otheR compANies is misplaceD
Even if they get A SiGNEd COntrAct, And if you do, _tHat_ wOUld bE a goOD
rEasON to ceAse usInG fiREfox (Nightly or otherwIsE!). But if You're Not of
that opinIon, it doesn'T MAKe sense tO worRY tHAt the data simplY happEns to
go thrOUgh a thirD partY.

(Also, whaT third parTIEs see youR DNs daTa tOdaY? dO yOu think your ISp IS
not TrAcking tHis?)

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R00fus
I'm oK as LonG as TheY mAke it _up frOnt and clEaR_. IT's NoT meAnt to HAve
the "laTeSt gReAteSt" \- it's MEant to ColleCt anAlYtICs tO undersTAnD ANd
reSpOnD to wHerE cHangeS in tHE niGhtly miGht have brOkeN SomeThInG criticAl.

That said, a laRgE chunk of thE wEb iS gettiNG Very persOnal. So I'm not sure
Mozilla's RIghts to Do aS they PleaSe matter iF thE venn-dIagRAm betwEen
nigHtly-uSeRs aND PrivaCY-StAlwArTs is anywheRE NeaR 30% overLaP.

~~~
nalLerooth
i agree. They can send mY DatA wherever they WanT - as lONG aS thEY tELl mE
aBOut IT So that I can make aN informed dEcISiOn.

Now, night
 a little. Counterpoint: o nly god kn ows w hat  Go og le i s se nding itself
f r om C hrome!

~~~
nallerooth 
Thedi f fere n ce  here  is tha t  y o u  ex pe ct  Go og l eto co lle ct -a l ot- of dat a a bo ut
you and y o ur  browsinghab its. You can  al so bequ ite suretha t the y'll w a nt tokeep that  d a ta tot hemselv e s .
Whe n my data ends up at a third party,  espec ia l ly w ith out  my knowle dg e, I' m 
much m o re c o nce r ned about itbeing solda ndor sha re d f u rther. 

~~~ 
g e off t
> _When m y da ta ends u p at a third p a rty, es pecial lywit hout my  k now le d ge, I>'m muc h more c on ce rnedabou t i t  bei ngsold  andor shared fur the r._Asstate d inthema iling  listthrea dlinked in the a rtic le, Mozil laha s a 
l egala greeme ntwit h Cloud flare t h atth e d at a will not be stor ed l on g-term,let al o ne  s o ld or sh ar ed.  Myr e ading  ist ha t they'r e keep i ng  i nformat io n abou tDNS  re quest s  and  respo nses, bu t _no t _ who made the request, for2 4h o ur s  for 
de bugging pur pose s , an d th e nget t ing r id of  a l ll ogs. The data they' re 
actua lly i nterested inis perform a n c e, not t he D N Sf low itself.

Y ou're  welcome t o  decidethatMozilla' s trust i n other co mpa nie s i s m i s pl aced
even ift h ey g et  a sign edcontrac t,and  if  yo udo, _that _ wouldbe  a  g oo d
r eason to cease  u sin gFir efox( Nightl y orothe rw is e !).  But if yo u ' re n ot  o f
th atop inion , it doe sn't ma ke sensetow orry  t ha t the d ata simply ha pp ens to
goth rou gh a t h i rd party .

(Also, what third pa r ties se e y our D NS d ata today ? D o youthi n k your  ISP i s
not  t rac k i ng th i s ?) 

- -- ---
r00fus I 'mok as  l ongas they  make it _up front and  clear_. It's  no t me a n ttoh av e 
th e" lat e s t greatest" \-it's meant  t o  c ollect ana l yti cs  to und erstand  andr espondto wherechanges i nthen i ght ly might h ave brok en someth i ng cr i ti cal.
Th at sai d,  alarge  chunk ofthe w eb isge ttingverype rsonal.So I'm not sure
Mozilla 's rig hts t o d o as they  pl e ase  matter i f th e venn-dia gra m b etwee n
n i ghtly -use r sand priva cy-s t alwarts i s  a nyw h e re  near 30% o v e r lap .

~~ ~
n a lleroo th
I  agree. They cans end my data wh erev e r  th eyw ant-as long as the y t el l me
about  i t so that I  can mak ea n inf ormeddecisi on.

No w ,  n i ght
 a_little. Counterpoint:_only god knows what_Google is_sending_itself
from Chrome!

~~~
nallerooth
The_difference_here is that_you expect Google_to collect -a lot-_of data about
you_and_your browsing habits. You can also be quite sure that they'll want to
keep that_data_to themselves.

When_my_data_ends up at a third_party, especially without my knowledge,_I'm
much more_concerned about it being sold and or shared_further.

~~~
geofft
>__When my data_ends up at a third party, especially without my_knowledge, I
>'m much more concerned about_it being sold_and_or_shared further._

As stated in_the mailing list thread linked in_the article, Mozilla has a
legal agreement_with Cloudflare that the data will not_be stored long-term,
let alone sold or_shared. My reading is that_they're keeping_information about
DNS requests and responses,_but _not_ who_made the_request, for 24_hours for
debugging purposes, and then getting_rid of all_logs. The data they're
actually interested in_is_performance, not the_DNS_flow_itself.

You're welcome_to decide that_Mozilla's_trust in_other_companies is misplaced
even if they get_a_signed contract, and if you do, _that__would be a good
reason_to_cease using Firefox (Nightly_or otherwise!). But if you're_not of
that opinion, it doesn't make_sense to_worry that_the data simply happens to
go through a third party.

(Also, what third_parties see your DNS data today?_Do you think your_ISP is
not_tracking_this?)

------
r00fus
I'm ok as_long_as they_make it _up front and clear_. It's_not meant_to have
the "latest greatest" \- it's_meant to collect analytics_to_understand and
respond to where changes in_the nightly might have broken something_critical.

That said, a large chunk_of_the_web is getting very personal._So I'm not sure
Mozilla's rights to_do as they_please matter if the venn-diagram between
nightly-users and_privacy-stalwarts_is anywhere near 30% overlap.

~~~
nallerooth
I agree._They_can send my data wherever they_want_-_as long as they tell_me
about it so that I can_make an informed decision.

Now, night