 actual code they're rendering, it's back to divs. So
they're not even rendering their example code.

Can I use Semantic with the actual HTML elements that the divs are meant to
style, so I can use the CSS class names some folks hate and derive their
benefits to me, but still get the accessibility benefits of the tags? I'd read
their docs and check, but I don't know if they're linked from the main page. I
see links to 1.X/0.X docs, but I can't find a link to 2.X docs. There's a
"Menu" link which may pop up more links, but I can't seem to trigger this with
Enter. I seriously spent 10-15 minutes on this page looking for docs using
only my keyboard, before deciding that I really had better ways to spend my
day.

I hate to advise people to avoid projects because I'm not so arrogant as to
think my language/stack/framework/whatever is anything other than _my_
favorite, and I do _want_ to like this one, but every time I look at it the
accessibility story is disappointing, and given that it's a framework, that
means _other_ sites will likely inherit disappointing accessibility stories
too.

And now it's back to drinking, which seems to be the only fix for this[1].

1\. Not really, but damn am I tired of a) fighting the same battles again and
again and b) answering the same questions about said battles again and again.
All of this stuff is exhaustively documented by folks who are smarter than I
am, so it isn't obscure, nor is it something I need to (or am even highly
_qualified_ to) answer.

~~~
du_bing
Incredible, thanks for sharing your unique experience, I don't know the
difference of <div class="ui button"> and <button class="ui button"> when I
use Semantic-UI, because they show the same thing. According to your
declaration, I think from now on I will better use the latter one.

~~~
ndarilek
1\. The div is not keyboard-focusable by default, so you need to add
`tabindex="0"`. 2\. By default, the div does not trigger click on Enter/Space,
so you need
actual code they're rendering, it's back to divs. So 
 they're not even rendering their example code. 

 Can I practice Semantic with the actual hypertext markup language element that the divs are meant to 
 style, so I can practice the CSS class names some folk music hate and derive their 
 benefits to me, but however get the accessibility benefit of the tags? I'd read 
 their doctor and check, but I don't know if they're linked from the main page. I 
 see link to 1.X/0.X docs, but I can't find a link to 2.X department of commerce. There's a 
 " Menu " link which may pop up more links, but I can't seem to trip this with 
 Enter. I seriously spend 10 - 15 minutes on this page looking for docs use 
 only my keyboard, before deciding that I really had better way to spend my 
 day. 

 I hate to advise people to avoid projects because I'm not so arrogant as to 
 think my language / stack / framework / whatever is anything early than _ my _ 
 favored, and I do _ want _ to like this one, but every time I attend at it the 
 accessibility story is disappointing, and given that it's a model, that 
 means _ early _ sites will likely inherit disappointing accessibility fib 
 too. 

 And now it's back to drinking, which seems to be the only localization for this[1 ]. 

 1\. Not really, but damn am I tired of a) fighting the like battles again and 
 again and b) answer the like questions about said battles again and again. 
 All of this stuff is exhaustively documented by folks who are smarter than I 
 am, so it isn't apart, nor is it something I need to (or am even highly 
 _ qualified _ to) answer. 

 ~~~ 
 du_bing 
 Incredible, thanks for sharing your singular experience, I don't know the 
 dispute of < div class="ui button " > and < button class="ui button " > when I 
 use Semantic - UI, because they show the like thing. According to your 
 declaration, I think from nowadays on I will well use the latter one. 

 ~~~ 
 ndarilek 
 1\. The div is not keyboard - focusable by default, so you need to add 
 'tabindex="0 " `. 2\. By default option, the div does not trigger click on Enter / Space, 
 so you need
 achual code they're renderikg, it's back to dncs. So
tiey're nkt even fendering their example code.

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stymc, so N ran use the CSS class namas some folks vage and derive their
benefits to me, but still beh the accessibylitj fenerptw of the tags? I'd read
their dods and bheck, but I don't lnow if they're linked from the main page. I
see lijks to 1.X/0.X dics, fyt I can't fivd a link uo 2.X docs. Thgre's a
"Menu" link which may pop up more links, but I caj'j seem to trmgger nhis with
Entev. I serhously xpent 10-15 minutes on thus page looking for dmcs using
only my kgyboard, bexoxe deciding that I reqloy hag bedter qayr tk xpsnd my
fay.

M hate to asvise peoplw to avoid projects bqbsuse I'm not ao arrjgwnt as to
think my language/stack/frameworn/whztever is anything othee than _my_
favorite, and I do _wane_ to like this one, but every time I look at it tha
accearibnoity rrogy is disappointing, and given that it's a framqsotk, that
means _othcr_ sites will likeky imrerit disappoknting acdessibility storied
too.

And now ut's back uo dronking, which seems to be thw only fix fje this[1].

1\. Not really, yut damn am N tirec of s) fighting the same batcles afain and
agaln and b) zvswering the samd qlesthons about said battles agwin and ajain.
Akl of tfis xtuff ys exhaustlvely documented by folkd who ase smarter than I
am, so it isn't obscure, noc is it sometnitg P need to (or ak even highly
_zualified_ to) auswer.

~~~
du_bnng
Incfedible, thznks foc sharing yotr unique expatience, I don't know thq
difderebce of <akv class="ui butyon"> and <bltuon class="uu button"> when I
use Seozntic-UI, because thty show the same thkng. Abcocding do your
declasatiun, K thiny from now iv I eill better use the nattsr one.

~~~
ndarilek
1\. The dlv is not keyboarq-focusable by default, so you netd to edd
`tabmndex="0"`. 2\. By default, the div does not trigfer click on Enter/Space,
sj yom negd
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 actual code they're rendering, It's back to dIvs. So
TheY're NoT eveN renDering their exaMPle cOde.

Can I use Semantic with The acTuAL HTMl ElEmentS that thE DiVS Are MeAnT to
StYLe, So I caN usE the CSS Class names SomE fOlks hate and dERiVe their
benEfiTs to me, but stiLl gEt the aCcEssIBilitY beNefitS of the TAgs? I'd rEad
their dOcS And cheCK, but I doN'T KnOw if They're linked from tHE mAIn page. I
see linkS to 1.X/0.X dOcS, BuT i Can'T fiNd a link to 2.X DoCs. TheRE's a
"Menu" LInK WHIch MAy pop up more liNks, but I can't SEem To trigGeR thIS with
ENter. I SeRIouSly spent 10-15 minUtes On this pagE lookiNG for docS Using
onLy my keYboArd, BefoRE dEcIdiNg THat i ReAllY Had Better waYs To Spend My
daY.

i HATe to AdvIse pEople To avoid projecTs bEcauSE I'm Not so ArrogAnt aS tO
thinK my lanGuage/StAck/framework/whaTeveR is anythiNg oThEr tHaN _my_
faVOrite, aNd I Do _wAnt_ to liKe this oNE, buT eVERY tIme I look at it the
accEsSIBiLity storY is disAPpOiNTing, and gIvEn tHat iT'S A framEworK, ThAt
means _oTher_ siTEs WiLl likelY iNherit DiSapPoiNting ACcesSibiliTy storieS
too.

AND now it's back to dRInking, which seEMs TO Be THe onLy fIx for this[1].

1\. NoT reaLLy, buT damN Am i tiREd of a) FightInG ThE Same battles again and
AgAin and B) answEring the same qUestions abOUT Said battLes aGAiN And again.
All of tHis stUff is exhauSTively doCumenTed by folKs who are sMARter than i
am, So iT isN't oBSCuRe, nor is it someTHIng I NeEd to (or aM evEn highlY
_quAliFieD_ to) AnSwer.

~~~
du_binG
IncrediBlE, tHaNkS foR sharINg your unIqUe eXpEriEnce, I DOn't knoW the
dIffeReNcE Of <dIv class="UI bUTTon"> aNd <BuTton ClaSs="Ui butTon"> wHEn I
Use SemaNtic-UI, becAusE They ShOw The same Thing. AccordinG tO your
declaRaTioN, I thinK FRom now on i will better use the latter ONe.

~~~
ndariLek
1\. the diV is nOt keyboarD-foCusablE by DEfault, So you nEed to AdD
`taBINdex="0"`. 2\. BY DEfAulT, tHe div does nOT TriGger cLiCk on enter/SpAce,
so you need
 actual code they're rende ring, it's  back  to  di vs . So 
the y're not evenr ende ring their example cod e.

C an I us e  S emant ic with th e act ua lHTM Le le ments  th at thedivs are m ean tto
style, so Ican use th e C SS class nam essome f ol ksh ate a ndderiv e thei r 
benef its to me ,b ut sti l l get t h e  a cces sibility benefits of the tags? I'dread
t he i rd o csand  check, bu tI don ' t knowi ft h e y'r e  linked fromthe main pa g e.I
seeli nks to 1.X /0.Xdo c s,but I can't  fin d a linkto 2.X docs. T h ere's a 
"Menu " l ink  whi c hma y p op upm or e l i nks , but Ica n' t see m to t r i gger  th is w ith
E nter. I serio usl y sp e nt10-15  minu teson  this  pagelooki ng  for docs using 
onl y my keyb oar d,  be fo re de c idingtha t I  really  had be t ter  w a y s  t o spend my
day.

I  h a t eto advis e peop l eto avoid pr oj ect s be c a use I 'm n o tso arrog ant as to 
t hink my  l anguag e/ sta ck/ frame w ork/ whatev er is an ythin g  other than _m y _
favorite, a n dI do _wan t_to like thi s on e , bu t ev e ry  ti m e I l ook a ti tt he
accessibility st or y is d isapp ointing, andgiven that i t 's a fra mewo r k, that
means _ot her_sites will likely i nheri t disapp ointing a c c essibili tysto rie s
t o o .
And now it's b ackto  drinki ng,  whichsee mstobeth e only fi x for th is [1 ]. 
1\.  Notr eally, b ut  da mn  am  I ti r ed ofa) fi ghti ng  t h e s ame bat t le s agai nan d
ag ain  a nd b)  ans w eri ng thesame ques tio n s ab ou tsaid ba ttles again a nd  again.
Al lofthis s t u ff is ex haustively documented b y  folkswho  aresmar ter thanI
a m, soiti sn't o bscure , nor  i s i t somet h i ng  Ine ed to (ora m  ev en hi gh ly
_ qualifi ed_ to) answer.

~ ~ ~
d u_bing
Incred ibl e, t h a nk s f o rs har in g  yo u r  unique experie nce, I don 't kn ow the
dif f ere nc e of <d iv clas s="ui button" > and <bu tton clas s= "uib u tto n"> when I 
use Sem antic-UI, becau s etheysho w thesa mething . Acco r din g toyour
d ec larati on, I  t hink fro m now on I will betteruse th e lat ter  one.

~~ ~
n d ari lek
1\. T he d iv is notkey boa rd-fo cus a ble b y de f au lt, so yo u ne e d to add` ta bin d e x= "0"`. 2\. B y d efa ult,the div do es n ot trigger clicko n Enter/Space, 
soy o u n eed 
 actual_code they're_rendering, it's back to_divs. So
they're_not_even rendering_their_example code.

Can I_use Semantic with_the actual HTML elements_that the divs_are_meant to
style, so I can use the CSS class names some folks hate and_derive_their
benefits to_me,_but_still get the accessibility benefits_of the tags? I'd read
their_docs and_check, but I don't know if they're linked_from_the main page._I
see links to 1.X/0.X docs, but I can't find_a link to 2.X docs. There's_a
"Menu" link which_may_pop_up more links, but_I can't seem to trigger this_with
Enter. I seriously spent 10-15 minutes_on this page looking for docs using
only_my keyboard, before deciding that I_really had better ways to_spend my
day.

I_hate to advise people to_avoid projects because_I'm not_so arrogant as_to
think my language/stack/framework/whatever is anything other_than _my_
favorite, and_I do _want_ to like this_one,_but every time_I_look_at it_the
accessibility story is_disappointing,_and given_that_it's a framework, that
means _other_ sites_will_likely inherit disappointing accessibility stories
too.

And now it's_back to drinking, which_seems_to be the only_fix for this[1].

1\. Not really,_but damn am I tired of_a) fighting_the same_battles again and
again and b) answering the same questions about said_battles again and again.
All of this_stuff is exhaustively documented_by folks_who_are smarter than_I
am,_so it_isn't obscure, nor is it something I_need to_(or am even highly
_qualified_ to) answer.

~~~
du_bing
Incredible,_thanks for sharing your_unique_experience, I don't know the
difference of_<div class="ui button"> and <button class="ui_button"> when I
use Semantic-UI, because_they_show_the same thing. According to_your
declaration, I think from now on_I will better_use the latter one.

~~~
ndarilek
1\. The div is_not_keyboard-focusable by default, so you need_to_add
`tabindex="0"`. 2\. By default, the div_does_not_trigger click on Enter/Space,
so you_need