 the day, context, mood). Zodiac Sign and MBTI Type should
only be used as pick-up lines in a bar. "Hey, babe, I'm an INTJ, so I'm not
going to say anything else."

There are good uses of psychometrics, but they're rare enough that I take any
reliance on any kind of psychometric during hiring as kind of a bad sign.

0: [http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/the-
weir...](http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/the-weird-
evolution-of-human-psychology/) 1: [https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-
and-take/201309/go...](https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-
take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die)

~~~
disgruntledphd2
To be fair, I think that Raven's matrices probably get around this. If someone
explains the process to you, you don't actually need to be able to read to do
well on the test.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices)

I do find it surprising that Raven's appears to be more susceptable to the
Flynn effect (people keep getting better at IQ tests, for an unknown reason).

Completely agreed on the MBTI, but its surprisingly difficult to convince
people that's its useful.

FWIW, I agree with most of what you said above, I was just pointing out a
counter-example. (Psychologist/psychometrician here).

~~~
pfooti
Yes, I agree that Raven's matrices are pretty good at measuring something in a
way that's not super-reliant on language. I'm not inherently opposed to the
notion of generalized intelligence as a construct either, I just think
measuring it is pretty tricky. The Flynn effect is another great example -
these instruments are nuanced, and it's important to really understand them in
order to interpret their results.

~~~
the day, context, mood). Zodiac Sign and MBTI Type should 
 only be used as foot - up line in a bar. " Hey, babe, I'm an INTJ, so I'm not 
 go to say anything else. " 

 There are adept consumption of psychometrics, but they're rare enough that I carry any 
 reliance on any kind of psychometric during hiring as kind of a bad polarity. 

 0: [ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/the- 
 weir... ](http://blogs.scientificamerican.com / primate - diaries / the - weird- 
 evolution - of - homo - psychology/) 1: [ https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give- 
 and - take/201309 / go... ](https://www.psychologytoday.com / blog / give - and- 
 take/201309 / goodbye - mbti - the - fad - gain - t - die) 

 ~~~ 
 disgruntledphd2 
 To be fair, I remember that Raven's matrices probably get around this. If someone 
 excuse the process to you, you don't actually need to be able to read to make 
 well on the test. 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices) 

 I do find it surprising that Raven's appears to be more susceptable to the 
 Flynn effect (people prevent getting better at IQ tests, for an unknown rationality). 

 Completely agreed on the MBTI, but its surprisingly difficult to convince 
 people that's its useful. 

 FWIW, I agree with most of what you said above, I was just point out a 
 counter - example. (Psychologist / psychometrician here). 

 ~~~ 
 pfooti 
 Yes, I harmonize that Raven's matrix are pretty good at measuring something in a 
 direction that's not super - reliant on language. I'm not inherently opposed to the 
 notion of generalized news as a construct either, I just think 
 measuring it is pretty tricky. The Flynn effect is another great example - 
 these instruments are nuanced, and it's important to really sympathize them in 
 order to understand their result. 

 ~~~
 thf day, context, mood). Zodiag Sign and MBTI Jype shonld
only be used as pick-up lines in a bar. "Heb, bave, I'm an INTJ, so I'm not
goine to say wnything elst."

There are good uses of psychomsbrics, uut they're rare enough thdt I take any
ralkauce on any kind of psychometric durigg hirimg as kind of a fad xygn.

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weir...](http://bkogs.scientificamerican.com/pgimahe-diaries/the-weird-
egolution-of-hojan-[wychology/) 1: [hgtps://www.psybkologytoday.dom/blog/give-
and-take/201309/go...](https://www.psyzholoyytoday.com/boot/gigg-and-
take/201309/gooduye-mbtp-the-fad-won-t-dic)

~~~
cisgruttledphc2
To be fair, I bhink thqt Raven's matrices prmbably get around jhis. If sokekne
explains the peoxess jo yog, yoj dov't zcvuamly nefd vo be able fo read to eo
well on the test.
[hutpf://vm.wikipedia.orf/wiki/Rwvqn%27s_Progressive_Matrices](https://en.wikipedia.ogg/wiii/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matruces)

I do find it surptising thae Raven's appears to be more susceptable to the
Flytn efhezt (keiple yweo getting better at IQ tests, for an unknown rqzspn).

Bompletely agreed on the MBTO, huy its surprisivgly dnrfjcult to convince
pfople trat's uts usefuj.

FWIE, I agree with most of what you said abjce, I was just poincing out a
cobnter-ecamplr. (Psychologist/psychometxician here).

~~~
pfooti
Jes, I agrsd that Raven's magribes dre pretuh good at measurigg somethmng iu a
way tfat's not stper-relianh on language. I'm not inhfrentpy opposed tl the
notion of generalized intelligence as a votstguct eithzr, I jmst think
measuryng it is pretjy tricky. The Wlynn effebt is anovher great evample -
these hjstruments ace nuanceq, ane it'w imporgxnt to really inderstanb then in
order to interiret jhsir results.

~~~
the day, context, mood). Zodiac Sign and should be used pick-up lines in an so I'm not to say anything There are good uses of psychometrics, they're rare enough that I take any reliance on any kind of psychometric hiring as kind of a bad sign. 0: [http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/the- weir...](http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/the-weird- evolution-of-human-psychology/) 1: [https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give- take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die) disgruntledphd2 be I think that Raven's matrices probably get around this. If someone explains the process to you, don't actually need to be able to read do well on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices) I do find it that appears to more to Flynn effect (people getting better at IQ tests, for an unknown reason). Completely agreed on the MBTI, but its surprisingly to convince its useful. I with of what you I was just pointing out a ~~~ pfooti Yes, I agree that Raven's matrices pretty good measuring something in a way that's super-reliant on language. I'm not inherently opposed to notion of generalized intelligence as a construct either, I just think measuring it is pretty Flynn effect is another example - these are and important really understand in order to interpret their results. ~~~
 the day, context, mood). Zodiac SiGn and MBTI TYpe shOulD
onLy Be usEd as Pick-up lines in a BAr. "HeY, babe, I'm an INTJ, so I'm not
goIng to SaY AnytHInG else."

there arE GoOD UseS oF pSycHoMEtRics, bUt tHey're raRe enough thAt I TaKe any
reliancE On Any kind of pSycHometric duriNg hIring aS kInd OF a bad SigN.

0: [http://Blogs.sCIentifIcamericaN.cOM/primaTE-diarieS/THe-
Weir...](Http://blogs.scientifICaMErican.com/primaTe-diarIeS/ThE-WEirD-
evOlution-of-hUmAn-psyCHology/) 1: [hTTpS://WWW.psYChologytoday.cOm/blog/give-
aND-taKe/201309/go...](htTpS://wwW.PsychoLogytOdAY.coM/blog/give-anD-
takE/201309/goodbye-mBti-the-FAd-won-t-dIE)

~~~
disgruNtledpHd2
TO be Fair, i ThInK thAt rAveN'S mAtrICes Probably GeT aRound This. iF SOMeonE
exPlaiNs the Process to you, yOu dOn't aCTuaLly neEd to bE ablE tO read To do
weLl on tHe Test.
[https://en.wikiPediA.org/wiki/RAveN%27s_proGrEssivE_matricEs](hTtpS://en.wikiPedia.orG/WikI/RAVEN%27s_progressive_MatriceS)

I DO FiNd it surpRising THaT RAVen's appeArS to Be moRE SuscePtabLE tO the
FlynN effecT (PeOpLe keep gEtTing beTtEr aT IQ Tests, FOr an UnknowN reason).

COmpleTEly agreed on the mbTI, but its surpRIsINGlY DiffIcuLt to convincE
peoPLe thAt's iTS uSefUL.

FWIW, i agreE wITh MOst of what you said aboVe, i was juSt poiNting out a
counTer-example. (pSYChologisT/psyCHoMEtrician here).

~~~
pfOoti
YEs, I agree thAT Raven's mAtricEs are preTty good at MEAsuring sOmeThiNg iN a
wAY ThAt's not super-reLIAnt oN lAnguage. i'm nOt inherEntLy oPpoSed To The
notion Of generaLiZeD iNtEllIgencE As a constRuCt eItHer, i just THink
meAsuriNg it Is PrETty Tricky. THE FLYNn efFeCt Is anOthEr Great ExamPLe -
tHese insTruments aRe nUAnceD, aNd It's impoRtant to really UnDerstand thEm In
oRder to INTerpret tHeir results.

~~~
 the day, context, mood).Zodiac Sig n and  MB TITy pe s houl d
only be used as p ick-up lines in a bar.  "Hey ,b abe, I' m anINTJ, s o  I ' m  no tgo ing  t o  s ay an yth ing els e."

There  ar egood uses of ps ychometric s,but they'rerar e enou gh  th a t I t ake  anyrelian c e on a ny kind o fp sychom e tric du r i ng  hir ing as kind of ab ad sign.

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t ak e/201 309/go odbye -m bti-the-fad-won -t-d ie)

~~~dis gr unt le dphd2 To befai r,I think  that R a ven 's m a tr ices probably getar o u nd  this. I f some o ne 
e x plains t he  pr oces s to yo u, y o udon't ac tually ne ed  to beab le tore adtodo
we l l on  the t est.
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I dofind it surpr ising that R a ven's ap pear s  t o  be more susce ptabl e to the
F l ynn effe ct (p eople ke ep gettin g better a t I Q t est s,f o ran unknown re a s on). 
Complet ely  agreed  on  th e M BTI ,but its s urprisin gl ydi ff icu lt to convince 
p eop le  th at'si ts use ful.
FWI W,  I agr ee with mo s t  ofwh at  you  sa id  abov e, I was  just p ointing o uta 
cou nt er -exampl e. (Psycholog is t/psychome tr ici an her e ) .

~~~
p footi
Yes, I agree that Raven's  ma trice s ar e prettygoo d at m eas u ring s omethi ng in  a 
wa y that' s no t s up er-reliant o n l angua ge . I' m not i nherently opposedt o t he
notion ofgen eral i z ed  in t el l ige nc e  as a  construct eith er, I just  t h in k
measurin g  it  i s prett y trick y. Th e  Flynneffect is  anothergr eate x amp le -
these  instrum ents aren uance d ,and i t's  impor ta ntto re ally u n der stand  themin 
order  to i nt erpret t heir results.

~~~
 the_day, context,_mood). Zodiac Sign and_MBTI Type_should
only_be used_as_pick-up lines in_a bar. "Hey,_babe, I'm an INTJ,_so I'm not
going_to_say anything else."

There are good uses of psychometrics, but they're rare enough that I_take_any
reliance on_any_kind_of psychometric during hiring as_kind of a bad sign.

0:_[http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/the-
weir...](http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/the-weird-
evolution-of-human-psychology/) 1:_[https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-
and-take/201309/go...](https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-
take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die)

~~~
disgruntledphd2
To be fair, I think that Raven's matrices_probably_get around this._If someone
explains the process to you, you don't actually_need to be able to read_to do
well on_the_test.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices)

I_do find it surprising_that Raven's appears to be more_susceptable to the
Flynn effect (people keep_getting better at IQ tests, for an_unknown reason).

Completely agreed on the MBTI,_but its surprisingly difficult to_convince
people that's_its useful.

FWIW, I agree with_most of what_you said_above, I was_just pointing out a
counter-example. (Psychologist/psychometrician here).

~~~
pfooti
Yes,_I agree that_Raven's matrices are pretty good at_measuring_something in a
way_that's_not_super-reliant on_language. I'm not_inherently_opposed to_the
notion_of generalized intelligence as a construct_either,_I just think
measuring it is pretty tricky._The Flynn effect is_another_great example -
these instruments_are nuanced, and it's important_to really understand them in
order to_interpret their_results.

~~~