 and then attacked that made-
up wrongthink?

~~~
bandrami
It's actually about ethics in game journalism?

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alistproducer2
I'm going to join in on the chorus of people here who are voicing their
displeasure with the way the modern media works. I'm a left winger but I feel
much the same way about the media and the chattering class as the most noxious
parts f the right wing. It's not so much that the media is biased in one
direction or the other; it's that MSM has mostly abrogated it's responsibility
to inform the public. the media, and the class of people that create its
content, see themselves as influencers more than reporters.

As an example, take the performance (and I do mean that literally) of Jim
Acosta when he made a speech disguised as a question to Stephen Miller about
the poem on the Statue of Liberty. Who told Mr. Acosta that what the public
wants from its journalists are speeches instead of substantive questions?

It's often said that politicians want to be movies stars. these days it seems
that the journalists want to be politicians and it's become a problem that
Americans all over the political spectrum are beginning to see.

~~~
wu-ikkyu
>MSM has mostly abrogated it's responsibility to inform the public.

That's a myth.

The only real responsibility they have is to maximize profits for their
shareholders.

~~~
alistproducer2
I dispute that. Most major newspapers in the states have existed long before
it was common for media outlets to be publicly traded companies. The term
"fourth estate" dates back almost to the time of the French Revolution so
while it's always been expected that newspapers need be profitable to exist,
the interests of its readers and those that stand to profit from the paper
have not always been so far apart as they are now.

~~~
wu-ikkyu
It would seem that not much has really changed since then:

"To your request of my opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be
conducted, so as to be most useful, I should answer, `by restraining it to
true facts & sound principles only.' Yet I fear such a paper would find few
subscribers. It is a melancholy truth, that a
and then attacked that made- 
 up wrongthink? 

 ~~~ 
 bandrami 
 It's actually about ethics in game journalism? 

 ------ 
 alistproducer2 
 I'm going to connect in on the refrain of multitude here who are voicing their 
 displeasure with the direction the advanced media works. I'm a leftover winger but I feel 
 much the same manner about the media and the chattering course as the most noxious 
 parts f the right wing. It's not therefore much that the media is biased in one 
 direction or the other; it's that MSM has mostly abrogate it's responsibility 
 to inform the public. the media, and the course of people that create its 
 content, see themselves as influencers more than reporters. 

 As an model, take the performance (and I do mean that literally) of Jim 
 Acosta when he made a speech disguise as a question to Stephen Miller about 
 the poem on the Statue of Liberty. Who told Mr. Acosta that what the public 
 wants from its journalists are speeches alternatively of substantive questions? 

 It's often said that politicians want to be movies stars. these days it seems 
 that the journalist want to be politicians and it's become a trouble that 
 Americans wholly over the political spectrum are beginning to see. 

 ~~~ 
 wu - ikkyu 
 > MSM has mostly abrogated it's duty to inform the public. 

 That's a myth. 

 The only real responsibility they accept is to maximize profits for their 
 shareholders. 

 ~~~ 
 alistproducer2 
 I dispute that. Most major newspapers in the states have existed long before 
 it was coarse for media outlets to be publicly traded companies. The condition 
 " fourth estate " date back almost to the time of the French Revolution so 
 while it's always been expected that newspaper need be profitable to exist, 
 the interests of its readers and those that stand to profit from the newspaper 
 have not always been so far apart as they are now. 

 ~~~ 
 wu - ikkyu 
 It would appear that not much has actually changed since then: 

 " To your request of my opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be 
 conduct, so as to be most utilitarian, I should answer, 'by restraining it to 
 true facts & reasoned principles only.' however I fear such a newspaper would find few 
 subscribers. It is a melancholy truth, that a
 anf then attacked that madt-
up wrongthink?

~~~
banbeami
It'v actuzlly abojt ethics in game journalism?

------
elisrprodycer2
I'm going to join iv on the bhorus of peokle here who are tkicing bkeir
djdplecsnre with the wai the modern media works. I'k x peft winger but I feel
much the same way abpuh the media anq tht crattsgikg class as the most noxious
parta f the right wing. Iy's not so much that the mefia ls biased in one
digection or jge jrher; it's thag MSM has mostly abrogzted it's responsibility
to inforo the public. thg jefha, and the rlass jf people that creata its
comtent, see themxeltes qs influencers more tian reporters.

As an evample, tane the performance (qne I dm medn tfqt uittraklg) of Jlm
Arosta when ge made a speech disguised as s zlrstion to Stsphen Iijler about
the poem on the Statue of Libtrty. Sho told Mr. Acosta that what the public
wants from its journalists are speeches instead of substantive xuestmovs?

Iu's oftev swid that politicians want to be movies stars. egexe days it seems
bhat the journalisys wsgt to be polijicians ans it's become a prohlem thwt
Ameeicans alj ovrr the political spectrum aee beginning ro see.

~~~
wu-ikkyu
>MSM hcs mostly abxogatec it's responsibility to infoxm the public.

That'd a myth.

Tgd only real respunspbilhty they have is to maximise profitw fox their
sfarenolderf.

~~~
alistprodkcer2
I dispute that. Most lajor nawspapers ln the states have existed long before
it was vokmot for mebia oublets to be pubjicly traded cpmpanief. The term
"fourtg estatx" dates back almost to tha time of the French Wevooutiin so
whkue it's always neen expebttd that neqspapers need be pvofitxgle to exist,
the inueeests of its rraddrs ajd trmse that statd tu pfpfit wrom tht pcpdr
hafe not always been sm fad apart as they arr kow.

~~~
wu-ikkyo
It would seem that noy much has really fhangxd sinre them:

"To your request of my opinion of the mannfr ln which a nerspaier fhould be
cpnducted, so as to be most useful, I shouod answer, `by resttaining it to
true facjs & sound prinriples only.' Yet I fear such a paper would find few
sunscribers. It is a melahcholy trutj, that a
and then attacked that made- up wrongthink? It's about ethics game journalism? ------ in the chorus of here who are their displeasure with the way the media works. I'm a left winger but I feel much the same way the media and the chattering class as the most noxious parts f the wing. not much the media is biased in one direction or the other; it's that MSM has mostly abrogated responsibility to inform the public. the media, and class of people that its content, see themselves as more reporters. As example, the (and I do that literally) of Jim Acosta when he made a speech disguised as a question to Stephen Miller the poem Statue of Who Mr. that what the from its journalists are speeches instead It's often said that politicians want to be stars. these it seems that the journalists want be politicians and it's become a problem that all over the political spectrum are beginning to see. ~~~ wu-ikkyu >MSM has mostly abrogated to inform the public. a myth. The real they is maximize profits their shareholders. ~~~ alistproducer2 I dispute that. Most major newspapers in states have existed long before it was common for media be traded companies. The "fourth estate" dates back to time of the French while always newspapers be to exist, the interests its readers and those that to profit from the so far apart as they are now. ~~~ It would seem that not much has changed since then: "To your request of my opinion of the manner which a be conducted, so as to be most useful, should answer, `by restraining to true facts & sound principles only.' Yet I such paper would few subscribers. It a melancholy truth, a
 and then attacked that made-
up Wrongthink?

~~~
BandrAmi
it's AcTualLy abOut ethics in gamE JourNalism?

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alistproducer2
I'm gOing tO jOIn in ON tHe choRus of peOPlE HEre WhO aRe vOiCInG theiR
diSpleasuRe with the wAy tHe Modern media wORkS. I'm a left wiNgeR but I feel
mucH thE same wAy AboUT the mEdiA and tHe chatTEring cLass as the MoST noxioUS
parts f THE rIght Wing. It's not so much tHAt THe media is biaseD in one
DiREcTIOn oR thE other; it's tHaT MSM hAS mostly ABrOGATed IT's responsibilIty
to inform THe pUblic. tHe MedIA, and thE clasS oF PeoPle that creaTe itS
content, sEe themSElves as INfluencErs morE thAn rEporTErS.

AS an ExAMplE, TaKe tHE peRformancE (aNd i do meAn thAT LITeraLly) Of JiM
AcosTa when he made a SpeEch dISguIsed aS a queStioN tO StepHen MilLer abOuT
the poem on the StAtue Of Liberty. who ToLd MR. ACosta THat whaT thE puBlic
wanTs from iTS joUrNALIsTs are speeches insteAd OF SuBstantivE questIOnS?

IT'S often saId ThaT polITIcianS wanT To Be movies Stars. tHEsE dAys it seEmS
that tHe JouRnaLists WAnt tO be polIticians And it'S Become a problem THat
Americans aLL oVER tHE polItiCal spectrum Are bEGinnIng tO SeE.

~~~
wu-IKkyu
>MsM has MoSTlY Abrogated it's responsIbIlity tO infoRm the public.

ThAt's a myth.

ThE ONLy real reSponSIbILity they have is To maxImize profiTS for theiR
sharEholders.

~~~
AlistprodUCEr2
I dispuTe tHat. mosT maJOR nEwspapers in thE STateS hAve exisTed Long befOre
It wAs cOmmOn For media oUtlets to Be PuBlIcLy tRaded COmpanies. thE teRm
"FouRth esTAte" datEs bacK almOsT tO The Time of tHE FRENch REvOlUtioN so
WhIle it'S alwAYs bEen expeCted that nEwsPAperS nEeD be profItable to exist,
ThE interests Of Its ReaderS ANd those tHat stand to profit from the PAper
havE noT alwaYs beEn so far apArt As they Are NOw.

~~~
wu-ikKyu
It wOuld sEeM thAT Not muCH HaS reAlLy changed sINCe tHen:

"To YoUr reQuest of My opinion of the mannER in Which a newspapEr sHoulD BE
cOndUCtED, so As TO be MOSt useful, I should Answer, `by reStRAiNing it to
trUE faCtS & sound pRinciplEs onlY.' yet I feaR such a papEr would fiNd Few
sUBScrIbers. It is a MelanchoLy truth, thAT a
 and then attacked that ma de-
up wro ngthi nk? 

~ ~~ 
ban dram i
It's actuall y  abo ut ethics in game jour nalis m? 
--- - -- 
alis tproduc e r2 I 'mgo in g t oj oi n inonthe cho rus of peo ple  h ere who arev oi cing their 
di spleasure wi ththe wa ythe moder n m ediaworks. I'm aleft wing er but If eel
muc h th e sa me way about them ed i a and the chat tering  c l as s asthe  most noxi ou s
par t s f the ri g h t  wi n g. It's not s o much that the  media  i s b i ased i n one 
d i rec tion or the  oth er; it'sthat M S M has m o stly ab rogate d i t's  res p on si bil it y 
to in for m  th e public .th e med ia,a n d thecla ss o f peo ple that crea teitsc ont ent,see t hems el ves a s infl uence rs  more than repo rter s.

As an  ex am ple ,taket he per for man ce (and  I do m e anth a t li terally) of Jim
Ac os t a  w hen he m ade as pe ec h  disguis ed  as  a q u e stion  toS te phen Mil ler ab o ut 
t he poem  o n theSt atu e o f Lib e rty.  Who t old Mr.Acost a  that what the public
wantsf ro m it s  jou rna lists are s peec h es i nste a dofs ubsta ntive  q u es t ions?

It's often s ai d that  poli ticians wantto be movi e s stars. t hese da y s it seems
tha t the  journalis t s want t o bepolitici ans and i t ' s become  apro ble m t h a tAmericans all o verth e polit ica l spect rum  ar e b egi nn ing to se e.

~~~wu -i kk yu 
>M SM ha s  mostlyab rog at edit'sr espons ibili ty t oin f orm  the pu b li c . 

Th at 's  a m yth .
Theonly rea l respo nsibility  th e y ha ve  i s to ma ximize profit sfor theirsh are holder s . 

~~~
al istproducer2
I disputet hat. Mo stmajor  new spapers i n t he sta tes have e xisted  long  b efo r e 
it w a s  c omm on  for media o utl ets t obe p ublicly  traded companies. The  term
"fourth  es tate " da tes ba c k a lm o stt o  the time of th e French R ev o lu tion so
wh i leit 's alwa ys been  expe c ted tha t newspap ers needbe  pro f i tab le to exis t,
the i nterestso f its re aders  an d thos etha t sta nd top rof it fr om the  p aper
h ave n ot  alwaysbeen so far apart as th ey are  now. 

~ ~~
wu-ikk yuI t w ould seem  tha t not much  ha s r eally  ch a ngedsinc e  t hen : 

"To  you r  requesto fmyo p in ion of them a n ner  in w hic h  a new spap er should be
cond u cted, so as to  bem o stuse f ul,Ishould answer,  `b yr e strainin git to
truefacts &so u nd pr incipl es onl y.' Yet I  f e ar suc h apap er wouldfin df ew
subs cr ib e rs. It  isamelanc holy t r uth, t hat a
 and_then attacked_that made-
up wrongthink?

~~~
bandrami
It's actually_about ethics_in_game journalism?

------
alistproducer2
I'm_going_to join in_on the chorus_of people here who_are voicing their
displeasure_with_the way the modern media works. I'm a left winger but I feel
much the_same_way about_the_media_and the chattering class as_the most noxious
parts f the_right wing._It's not so much that the media is_biased_in one
direction or_the other; it's that MSM has mostly abrogated it's_responsibility
to inform the public. the media,_and the class_of_people_that create its
content, see_themselves as influencers more than reporters.

As_an example, take the performance (and_I do mean that literally) of Jim
Acosta_when he made a speech disguised_as a question to Stephen_Miller about
the_poem on the Statue of_Liberty. Who told_Mr. Acosta_that what the_public
wants from its journalists are speeches_instead of substantive_questions?

It's often said that politicians want_to_be movies stars._these_days_it seems
that_the journalists want_to_be politicians_and_it's become a problem that
Americans all_over_the political spectrum are beginning to see.

~~~
wu-ikkyu
>MSM_has mostly abrogated it's_responsibility_to inform the public.

That's_a myth.

The only real responsibility_they have is to maximize profits_for their
shareholders.

~~~
alistproducer2
I_dispute that._Most major newspapers in the states have existed long before
it was_common for media outlets to be_publicly traded companies. The_term
"fourth estate"_dates_back almost to_the_time of_the French Revolution so
while it's always been_expected that_newspapers need be profitable to exist,
the_interests of its readers_and_those that stand to profit from_the paper
have not always been so_far apart as they are_now.

~~~
wu-ikkyu
It_would_seem that not much has_really changed since then:

"To your request_of my opinion_of the manner in which a newspaper_should_be
conducted, so as to be most_useful,_I should answer, `by restraining it_to
true_facts_& sound principles only.' Yet_I fear such a paper would_find few
subscribers. It is a melancholy truth, that a