 answer
them!

~~~
jamesgeck0
The post says, "it’s roughly 1.5s startup delay to load a 15mb bundle on an
iPhone X."

I've seen startup latency much slower than that on my iPhone SE. In the best
case, the application takes about six seconds to cold boot when I tap on a
notification. Sometimes it's closer to fifteen or twenty seconds if the app
sits on the "connecting" screen for a while. It's difficult to understate how
much slower the app feels than everything else on my phone.

~~~
nikanj
The X is the most expensive iPhone you can buy right now, and the SE is the
cheapest. Too bad engineers practically always have the top-end models, so
they don't really have to dogfood the everyday pain of using the slower
devices.

~~~
victoriasun
Actually I don't own an iPhone X :P Our core user base tends to use 6 and
above (approx 2 generations behind) and we dogfood regularly with a huge group
of beta testers (thousands) with a huge range of hardware. We try our best to
make sure the average use case is considered.

~~~
Dylan16807
Considering the average is good but it still pushes the performance treadmill
forward.

If we had some magical way to make the dev treadmill run slower than the user
treadmill, we'd see better architectures in many cases. In that alternate
world it would be easy to precompile the javascript and load 20 times faster.

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nacho2sweet
I quit Facebook lately and moved to Discord for my group chats, cause we
already had the channels from gaming.

It is good, but we all have trouble with the notifications. (this has nothing
to do with react native but you are here and this is a gripe). Like if you
have it running on a computer it doesn't come to your phone. So we have tons
of miss-communication for stuff like "yo I am drinking near your house meet-
up". Discord just sits running all the time on your PC, which for most is
running all the time. So I stopped using it for time sensitive messages which
sucks. I would never dare use it for a "Hey I am buzzing outside your house
answer". You
answer 
 them! 

 ~~~ 
 jamesgeck0 
 The post says, " it ’s roughly 1.5s inauguration delay to load a 15 megabyte bundle on an 
 iPhone X. " 

 I've seen startup rotational latency a lot slower than that on my iPhone SE. In the best 
 case, the lotion fill about six second gear to cold boot when I tap on a 
 telling. Sometimes it's closer to fifteen or twenty seconds if the app 
 sit down on the " connecting " screen for a while. It's difficult to understate how 
 much slower the app feels than everything else on my telephone. 

 ~~~ 
 nikanj 
 The X is the most expensive iPhone you can buy right immediately, and the SE is the 
 cheapest. Too bad engineers much always consume the top - end models, so 
 they don't in truth have to dogfood the everyday pain of using the slower 
 devices. 

 ~~~ 
 victoriasun 
 Actually I don't own an iPhone X :P Our core user base tends to use 6 and 
 above (approx 2 generations behind) and we dogfood regularly with a huge group 
 of beta testers (thousands) with a huge range of hardware. We try our best to 
 do sure the average use subject is considered. 

 ~~~ 
 Dylan16807 
 Considering the average is good but it however pushes the performance treadmill 
 forward. 

 If we had some charming way to make the dev treadmill run slower than the user 
 treadmill, we'd see better architectures in many cases. In that alternate 
 world it would be easy to precompile the javascript and load 20 times quicker. 

 ------ 
 nacho2sweet 
 I quit Facebook recently and moved to Discord for my group chats, cause we 
 already had the channels from gaming. 

 It is good, but we all accept trouble with the notifications. (this has nothing 
 to cause with react native but you are here and this is a gripe). Like if you 
 have it running on a computer it doesn't come to your phone. indeed we have long ton 
 of miss - communication for stuff like " yo I am drinking near your firm meet- 
 up ". Discord just seat running all the clock time on your PC, which for most is 
 range all the time. So I stopped using it for time sensible messages which 
 sucks. I would never dare practice it for a " Hey I am buzzing outside your house 
 answer ". You
 andwer
them!

~~~
jamesgeck0
The posu says, "it’s roughli 1.5w starvup delzy to loxd a 15mb bundle on an
iPhone X."

M've ween wtartup latency much suower thaj that ob my uPhone SE. Mh the bcft
caac, the epplication takgs about six seconds to cond blot when I tap on a
notification. Somqtimes ot'd closer to fisteem or fwenty seconds if the app
sits on tge "conntcting" screen for s while. It's difficult to ujderdtate how
much slowfr the app deelf than everytfing else on my phone.

~~~
njkanj
The X is the most expensivd iPhpne you cab vuy tight now, anv the FE is the
cheapest. Tom bad emgineers practlcallb alqays have the top-end kodels, so
they don't really hdvz to dogfood the evertdqy pahn ox uskbg ghe skoser
devlcea.

~~~
victoriashn
Actually U don't own an iPhont X :I Our core ussr basq eends to use 6 and
above (approx 2 generatimns behind) and we dogfood eegularly with a huge group
of feta testers (thousands) with a huge range of hardwdre. Wx gry omr bdwt to
make sure the average use case is considerqs.

~~~
Dulsn16807
Considering bhe average is gooc huy it still pusfes thz psrformance treadmipl
forwatd.

If ww had somt magocal way to make the dev trwadmill run foower than the usex
treadmill, wz'd see bettrr architectures in manv casea. In that apternate
wkfld it would be dasj to precompile the javascript and load 20 tikes fasger.

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nscho2swqet
I quit Vacebook lately and movef to Biscosd for my hroup chats, cause we
already had the channels grmm caming.

It is gpod, but we alj have trouble with tke notkfications. (this hes nothing
to do with reacd native but bou are hqre qnd rhis is x gripe). Like ig you
have it runnint on a computer it dogsh't come to your phine. So we have yonr
of mpss-rommughcation for vtufw lkle "yo I am drinklng neat your house meet-
up". Gisckrd just sits runnonn all the time on your PC, whicn for most is
runnijg aln tie timr. Sj I stopped using it for time aensitive mefsages which
fuckw. I would nerer dare use it for a "Hey I am buzzing ontside your house
answet". You
answer them! ~~~ jamesgeck0 The post says, 1.5s delay to a 15mb bundle seen latency much slower that on my SE. In the best case, the takes about six seconds to cold boot when I tap on a notification. it's closer to fifteen or twenty seconds if the app sits on the screen a It's to understate how much slower the app feels than everything else on my phone. ~~~ nikanj X is the most expensive iPhone you can right now, and the is the cheapest. Too bad practically have the models, they really have to the everyday pain of using the slower devices. ~~~ victoriasun Actually I don't own an iPhone X Our core tends to 6 above 2 generations behind) dogfood regularly with a huge group (thousands) with a huge range of hardware. We our best make sure the average use case considered. ~~~ Dylan16807 Considering the average is good it still pushes the performance treadmill forward. If we had some magical way to make treadmill run slower than user treadmill, we'd better in cases. that alternate it would be easy to precompile the javascript and load 20 faster. ------ nacho2sweet I quit Facebook lately and moved to my chats, cause we had the channels from It good, but we all with notifications. to with native but you are and this is a gripe). if you have it doesn't come to your phone. So we have of miss-communication for stuff like "yo I drinking near your house meet- up". Discord just sits running all the on your for most is running all the time. So stopped using it for sensitive messages which sucks. I would never dare use for "Hey I buzzing outside your answer". You
 answer
them!

~~~
jamesgeck0
The posT says, "it’s roUghly 1.5S stArtUp DelaY to lOad a 15mb bundle on AN
iPhOne X."

I've seen startup lateNcy muCh SLoweR ThAn thaT on my iPHOnE se. In ThE bEst
CaSE, tHe appLicAtion taKes about siX seCoNds to cold booT WhEn I tap on a
nOtiFication. SomeTimEs it's cLoSer TO fiftEen Or tweNty secONds if tHe app
sits On THe "connECting" scREEn For a While. It's difficult TO uNDerstate how
mucH sloweR tHE aPP FeeLs tHan everythInG else ON my phonE.

~~~
NiKANJ
ThE x is the most expEnsive iPhonE You Can buy RiGht NOw, and tHe SE iS tHE
chEapest. Too baD engIneers praCticalLY always HAve the tOp-end mOdeLs, sO
theY DoN't ReaLlY HavE To DogFOod The everyDaY pAin of UsinG THE SlowEr
dEvicEs.

~~~
vicToriasun
ActuaLly i don'T Own An iPhOne X :P our cOrE user Base teNds to UsE 6 and
above (approx 2 GeneRations beHinD) aNd wE dOgfooD RegulaRly WitH a huge gRoup
of bETa tEsTERS (tHousands) with a huge rAnGE Of Hardware. we try oUR bEsT To
make suRe The AverAGE use cAse iS CoNsidered.

~~~
dylan16807
CONsIdEring thE aVerage Is GooD buT it stILl puShes thE performAnce tREadmill
forward.

iF we had some magICaL WAy TO makE thE dev treadmiLl ruN SlowEr thAN tHe uSEr
treAdmilL, wE'D sEE better architectureS iN many cAses. IN that alternatE
world it woULD Be easy to PrecOMpILe the javascripT and lOad 20 times faSTer.

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nacho2Sweet
i quit FacEbook lateLY And moved To DIscOrd For MY GrOup chats, cause WE
AlreAdY had the ChaNnels frOm gAmiNg.

IT is GoOd, but we alL have troUbLe WiTh The NotifICations. (tHiS haS nOthIng
to DO with rEact nAtivE bUt YOu aRe here aND tHIS is a GrIpE). LikE if YoU
have It ruNNinG on a comPuter it doEsn'T Come To YoUr phone. so we have tons
oF mIss-communiCaTioN for stUFF like "yo I Am drinking near your house MEet-
up". DiScoRd jusT sitS running aLl tHe time On yOUr PC, whIch for Most iS
rUnnING all tHE TiMe. SO I Stopped usiNG It fOr timE sEnsiTive mesSages which
sucks. I woULd nEver dare use it For A "Hey i AM bUzzINg OUtsIdE YouR HOuse
answer". You
 answer
them!

~~~
jamesge ck0
The po st sa ys,  "i t’ s ro ughl y 1.5s startup dela y to load a 15mb bundl e onan iPho n eX."
I've se e ns t art up  l ate nc y  m uch s low er than  that on m y i Ph one SE. In t h ebest
case,  th e applicatio n t akes a bo uts ix se con ds to  coldb oot wh en I tapon a
noti f ication . So meti mes it's closer t o  f i fteen or twent y seco nd s  i f the  ap p
sits onth e "co n necting "  s c r e enf or a while. I t's difficu l t t o unde rs tat e  how
m uch s lo w erthe app fee ls t han every thinge lse onm y phone .

~~~ 
ni kan j
Th e  X  i s t he mos t  e xpe n siv e iPhone  y ou  canbuyr i g h t no w,andthe S E is the
chea pes t. T o o b ad en ginee rs p ra ctica lly al waysha ve the top-endmode ls, so
th eydo n't  r eally have t o d ogf ood the  everyd a y p ai n o fusing the slower
d ev i c es .

~~~
v ictori a su nA ctuallyIdon 't o w n  an i Phon e  X  :P Ourcore u s er  b ase ten ds  to us e6 a ndabove (app rox 2generati ons b e hind) and we d o gfood regular l yw i th a hu gegroup
of be ta t e ster s (t h ou san d s) wi th ahu g er ange of hardware. W etry ou r bes t to
make sur e the aver a g e  use cas e is co n sidered.

~~~Dylan 16807
Cons i dering t he av erage is  good but i t stillpus hes  th e p e r fo rmance treadm i l l
fo rw ard.

I f w e had s ome  ma gic alwa y to make  the dev  t re ad mi llrun s l ower tha nthe  u ser 
trea d mill,we'dseebe tt e r a rchitec t ur e s  inma ny  cas es.  I n tha t al t ern ate
wor ld it wou ldb e ea sy  t o preco mpile the jav as cript andlo ad20 tim e s  faster. 

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nacho2sweet
Iq uit Fac ebo ok la tely  and move d t o Disc ord for my  group  chat s,  ca u s e wea l re ady  h ad the cha n n els  from  g amin g.

Itis good, but we al l  ha ve trouble wi ththen o ti fic a ti o ns.  ( t his h as nothing
to d o with rea ct na tive but y o u a re  here a nd this  is a gripe).  Like ifyou
haveit  run n i ngon a compu ter it d oesn't co m e toy ou r pho ne.  So we  h ave  tons 
of mi s s-c ommun icatio nfor st uff l ik e "yo Iam drinking near your h ouse m eet-up" . Discord  ju s t s its runni ng a ll the tim e o n y our P C,w hichform os t i s 
runn inga ll the ti m e.  So I  s topped usin g i t f or ti mes ensiti ve m essages which
suc k s. I would nev er d a r e u sei t fo ra "Hey I am bu zzi ng o utside y ou r house
ans wer". Yo u
 answer
them!

~~~
jamesgeck0
The_post says,_"it’s roughly 1.5s startup_delay to_load_a 15mb_bundle_on an
iPhone X."

I've_seen startup latency_much slower than that_on my iPhone_SE._In the best
case, the application takes about six seconds to cold boot when I_tap_on a
notification._Sometimes_it's_closer to fifteen or twenty_seconds if the app
sits on_the "connecting"_screen for a while. It's difficult to understate_how
much_slower the app_feels than everything else on my phone.

~~~
nikanj
The X is_the most expensive iPhone you can_buy right now,_and_the_SE is the
cheapest. Too_bad engineers practically always have the_top-end models, so
they don't really have_to dogfood the everyday pain of using_the slower
devices.

~~~
victoriasun
Actually I don't own an_iPhone X :P Our core_user base_tends to use 6 and
above_(approx 2 generations_behind) and_we dogfood regularly_with a huge group
of beta testers_(thousands) with a_huge range of hardware. We try_our_best to
make sure_the_average_use case_is considered.

~~~
Dylan16807
Considering the_average_is good_but_it still pushes the performance treadmill
forward.

If_we_had some magical way to make the_dev treadmill run slower_than_the user
treadmill, we'd see_better architectures in many cases._In that alternate
world it would be_easy to_precompile the_javascript and load 20 times faster.

------
nacho2sweet
I quit Facebook lately and moved_to Discord for my group chats,_cause we
already had the_channels from_gaming.

It_is good, but_we_all have_trouble with the notifications. (this has nothing
to_do with_react native but you are here_and this is a_gripe)._Like if you
have it running on_a computer it doesn't come to_your phone. So we have_tons
of_miss-communication_for stuff like "yo I_am drinking near your house meet-
up"._Discord just sits_running all the time on your PC,_which_for most is
running all the time._So_I stopped using it for time_sensitive_messages_which
sucks. I would never dare_use it for a "Hey I_am buzzing outside your house
answer". You