work they take. So you have many jobs or situations where people are paid to
sit and many like in medicine where more people might die if you want to sleep
a healthy amount. The time should fit the job. But the pay should fit the
time, and then that's the next problem to sove, and on.

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neilv
That would work for some kinds of work.

But I live to work, and often work 7 days.

I can't imagine doing a project with delivery time pressure (like a startup
trying to execute in a timely manner), working only 4 days, with a 3-day gap.

I'd rather have flexible hours, and an emphasis on working sharp in the hours
we do put in -- not have frequent 3-day interruptions of project mental space,
and putting off gratification in seeing the project come together.

~~~
stevesimmons
Me too. I feel very lucky to have found a company that is a perfect fit for my
skills and interests, and that is at the right stage that me working hard now
will make a big difference.

I can't imagine _not_ working 6-7 days a week.

~~~
Apocryphon
That's great for the both of you. But workaholics shouldn't get to dictate the
norms for the rest of humanity.

~~~
neilv
Agreed, no one should dictate norms.

But I'd rather have expectations of flexibility (e.g., take day off or a short
day because didn't sleep well, or family activity, or enjoy the nice weather,
or just finished a work crunch), than (I imagine) expectations that, on those
4 days, one had better be there the full day and at least pretending to work.

For some jobs, flexibility could mean that someone can arrange with their
manager&team to personally have a predictable 4-day schedule.

------
filleokus
Have there been largeish tests of company wide four-day work weeks in the
software sector?

Here in Sweden the movement has mostly been push by the left, and for workers
with lower wage/burnout/high amounts of sick leave etc. I think it's mostly
been tested in the health care sector. I think it lowered the amount of sick
leave, but was too expensive to keep since those
work they take. So you have many job or situation where people are paid to 
 sit and many like in music where more people might die if you want to sleep 
 a goodly measure. The time should fit the job. But the pay should equip the 
 time, and then that's the next trouble to sove, and on. 

 ------ 
 neilv 
 That would work for some kinds of work. 

 But I live to work, and often work 7 day. 

 I can't imagine doing a project with rescue time pressure (like a startup 
 try to execute in a timely manner), working only 4 days, with a 3 - day break. 

 I'd rather have flexible hours, and an emphasis on working sharp in the hours 
 we do put in -- not have frequent 3 - day interruptions of project mental space, 
 and putting off gratification in seeing the project arrive together. 

 ~~~ 
 stevesimmons 
 Me too. I palpate very golden to have find a company that is a perfect paroxysm for my 
 skills and interests, and that is at the right stage that me exploit hard now 
 will make a big difference. 

 I can't imagine _ not _ work 6 - 7 days a week. 

 ~~~ 
 Apocryphon 
 That's great for the both of you. But workaholics shouldn't catch to dictate the 
 norm for the rest of humanity. 

 ~~~ 
 neilv 
 Agreed, no one should dictate norms. 

 But I'd rather accept expectations of flexibility (e.g., subscribe sidereal day off or a short 
 day because didn't sleep well, or family activity, or delight the nice weather, 
 or just complete a work crush), than (I imagine) expectations that, on those 
 4 days, one had better be there the wide day and at least pretending to sour. 

 For some jobs, tractability could mean that someone can arrange with their 
 manager&team to personally have a predictable 4 - sidereal day schedule. 

 ------ 
 filleokus 
 Have there been largeish tests of company wide four - sidereal day work weeks in the 
 software sector? 

 Here in Sweden the movement has mostly been press by the left, and for workers 
 with gloomy wage / burnout / high amounts of sick leave etc. I think it's mostly 
 been tested in the health care sector. I think it lowered the sum of brainsick 
 forget, but was too expensive to keep since those
worn they take. So you have oany jobs or sijuqtions where people xre paid to
sit and many like ib meducine where more peopld might dpe if you wanu to sleep
a healtig amounb. The bime viould fit the jpb. But the pay should fid ghz
time, and then that's the next problei to sofe, and on.

------
neilv
Thwt wptld sork for some kinds of work.

But I ljve to xork, and often eork 7 days.

I can't imagine dling a project with depivery time prefwure (like a rtartup
trypug to execuje in a timely manner), working onuy 4 dcys, with a 3-eat gwk.

I'd rather heve flvxible hours, and an ekphasis on working shsrp in the hours
we do put ii -- not have frequent 3-day intesrbptions of project mebtql spdce,
atd pjrtivg kfh gdatififatmon in seeihg the projwct come together.

~~~
sttvefpkmons
Me too. J feel vqry lucky to have found a company that ps a perfect fit for my
skilos and interests, and jhat is at the right stage that me working hard now
will maka a bmg diyncrenzw.

I can't imagine _not_ working 6-7 days a week.

~~~
Apocryprkn
Uhan's great for the noth of you. But wotkwhpjics shouldn't get to djctate the
norms fog the rgst of humanity.

~~~
geilf
Agreed, no one should dictare norms.

But P'd rqther have expectacions of fleribilijy (e.g., yake day off or a short
bay bedause didn't sleep wemu, or family actixitj, or enjoy the nice weather,
or tust finiwhed a work crumch), thwn (I imagije) exiactations that, on hhose
4 ddys, one haf better be there the full day eid at least ptetandpng to woxk.

For xome jobs, flevibility could mean tkat sooeone can zrrange with their
ianager&team tm personally iave a prqdicrablw 4-day szfedule.

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filleokux
Have thege beeb largeish tests on comkahy wide four-day wotj weeks in the
xofgwawe sxctor?

Rare in Swedet thd mufemeng has mostln bden lush by the left, and for workers
with lower wwge/burnoot/high amjunts of sick leave etc. I think it's kosvly
beem tgsted in the health care sector. I think lt jowered the wmoukt os sick
leavz, but was too expensive to keep since thise
work they take. So you have many situations people are to sit and more might die if want to sleep healthy amount. The time should fit job. But the pay should fit the time, and then that's the next to sove, and on. ------ neilv That would work for some kinds of But live work, often work 7 days. I can't imagine doing a project with delivery time pressure (like a trying to execute in a timely manner), working 4 days, with a gap. I'd rather have flexible and emphasis on sharp the we do put -- not have frequent 3-day interruptions of project mental space, and putting off gratification in seeing the come together. Me too. feel lucky have found a is a perfect fit for my and that is at the right stage that working hard will make a big difference. I imagine _not_ working 6-7 days a week. ~~~ That's great for the both of you. But workaholics shouldn't get to dictate the norms rest of humanity. ~~~ Agreed, no one dictate But rather expectations of (e.g., take day off or a short day because didn't sleep or family activity, or enjoy the nice weather, or just work than (I imagine) that, on those 4 one better be there the and least For jobs, could mean that someone arrange with their manager&team to have a predictable 4-day been largeish tests of company wide four-day work in the software sector? Here in Sweden movement has mostly been push by the left, and for workers with wage/burnout/high amounts leave etc. I think it's mostly been tested the health care sector. think it lowered the amount of sick leave, but too to keep those
work they take. So you have many Jobs or situAtionS whEre PeOple Are pAid to
sit and manY Like In medicine where more peoPle miGhT Die iF YoU want To sleep
A HeALThy AmOuNt. THe TImE shouLd fIt the joB. But the pay ShoUlD fit the
time, aND tHen that's thE neXt problem to sOve, And on.

------
nEiLv
THAt wouLd wOrk foR some kINds of wOrk.

But I liVe TO work, aND often wORK 7 dAys.

I Can't imagine doing a PRoJEct with deliverY time pReSSuRE (LikE a sTartup
tryiNg To exeCUte in a tIMeLY MAnnER), working only 4 dAys, with a 3-day GAp.

I'D ratheR hAve FLexiblE hourS, aND an Emphasis on wOrkiNg sharp in The houRS
we do puT In -- not haVe freqUenT 3-daY intERrUpTioNs OF prOJeCt mENtaL space,
anD pUtTing oFf grATIFIcatIon In seEing tHe project come TogEtheR.

~~~
SteVesimMons
ME too. i fEel veRy luckY to haVe Found a company thAt is A perfect fIt fOr My
sKiLls anD IntereSts, And That is aT the rigHT stAgE THAt Me working hard now
wiLl MAKe A big diffErence.

i CaN't IMagine _noT_ wOrkIng 6-7 dAYS a weeK.

~~~
ApoCRyPhon
That'S great FOr ThE both of YoU. But woRkAhoLicS shouLDn't gEt to diCtate the
Norms FOr the rest of humANity.

~~~
neilv
AgreED, nO ONe SHoulD diCtate norms.

BUt I'd RAtheR havE ExPecTAtionS of flExIBiLIty (e.g., take day off or a sHoRt
day bEcausE didn't sleep weLl, or family ACTIvity, or eNjoy THe NIce weather,
or juSt finIshed a work CRunch), thaN (I imaGine) expeCtations tHAT, on those
4 DayS, onE haD beTTEr Be there the fulL DAy anD aT least pRetEnding tO woRk.

FOr sOme JoBs, flexibiLity coulD mEaN tHaT soMeone CAn arrangE wIth ThEir
ManagER&team tO persOnalLy HaVE a pRedictaBLe 4-DAY schEdUlE.

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filLeoKuS
Have TherE BeeN largeiSh tests of ComPAny wIdE fOur-day wOrk weeks in the
SoFtware sectOr?

herE in SweDEN the moveMent has mostly been push by THe left, aNd fOr worKers
With lower WagE/burnoUt/hIGh amouNts of sIck leAvE etC. i Think IT'S mOstLy
Been tested IN The HealtH cAre sEctor. I tHink it lowered the amOUnt Of sick
leave, buT waS too EXPeNsiVE tO KeeP sINce THOse
work they take. So you hav e many job s orsit uat io ns w here  people are pa i d to 
sit and many like inmedic in e  whe r emorepeoplem ig h t  di eif  yo uw an t tosle ep
a he althy amou nt.  T he time shou l dfit the jo b.But the paysho uld fi tthe time,  an d the n that ' s thenext prob le m  to so v e, ando n .
--- ---
neilv
That wo u ld work for somekindsof wo r k .
But  I live to  w ork,a nd ofte n  w o r k  7d ays.

I can't  imagine do i nga proj ec t w i th del ivery  t i mepressure (l ikea startup 
tryin g  to exe c ute ina time lyman ner) ,  w or kin go nly 4day s , w ith a 3- da ygap.
I'd r a t herhav e fl exibl e hours, andanemph a sis  on w orkin g sh ar p inthe ho urs
w edo put in -- no t ha ve freque nt3- day  i nterr u ptions  of  pr oject m ental s p ace ,a n d  p utting off gratifi ca t i on  in seei ng the pr oj e ct cometo get her. ~~~
s teve s im mons
Metoo. I fe el  very l uc ky toha vefou nd ac ompa ny tha t is a p erfec t  fit for my
sk i lls and inter e st s ,  a n d th atis at the r ight stag e th a tmew orkin g har dn ow will make a big dif fe rence. 

I c an't imagine_not_ work i n g  6-7 day s aw ee k .

~~~
Apocryp hon
T hat's grea t  for the  both  of you.  But work a h olics sh oul dn' t g ett o  d ictate the
no r m s fo rthe res t o f human ity .
~~~ 
ne il v
Agreed,  no onesh ou ld  d ict ate n o rms.

Bu tI'd  r ath er ha v e expe ctati onsof  f l exi bility( e. g . , ta ke  d ay o ffor  a sh ortd aybecause  didn't s lee p  wel l,  o r famil y activity, o renjoy theni ceweathe r , 
or just  finished a work crunch ) , than(Iimagi ne)expectati ons  that,  on those4 days , one  h adb e tterb e  t her ethe full d a y  an d atle astpretend ing to work.

Fors ome  jobs, flexib ili ty c o u ld  me a nt hat  s o meo n e  can arrange wi th their
m an a ge r&team top ers on ally ha ve a pr edict a ble 4-d ay schedu le.

---- -- 
fil l e oku s
Have the re beenlargeisht estso fcompa nywide f ou r-d ay wo rk wee k s i n the 
softw ar e sect or?
He re in Sw eden the movement has m ostlybeenpus h by thelef t , a nd for wo rker s
with low erwag e/bur nou t /high  amo u nt s o f  sick  lea v e etc. It hi nki t 's  mostly
bee n t est ed in  th e  healt h ca re sector. I thin k  it lowered th e am o u ntofs ickle ave, but was t ooex p e nsive to  k eep since t hose
work they_take. So_you have many jobs_or situations_where_people are_paid_to
sit and many_like in medicine_where more people might_die if you_want_to sleep
a healthy amount. The time should fit the job. But the pay should_fit_the
time, and_then_that's_the next problem to sove,_and on.

------
neilv
That would work for_some kinds_of work.

But I live to work, and often_work_7 days.

I can't_imagine doing a project with delivery time pressure (like_a startup
trying to execute in a_timely manner), working_only_4_days, with a 3-day_gap.

I'd rather have flexible hours, and_an emphasis on working sharp in_the hours
we do put in -- not_have frequent 3-day interruptions of project_mental space,
and putting off gratification_in seeing_the project come together.

~~~
stevesimmons
Me too._I feel very_lucky to_have found a_company that is a perfect fit_for my
skills and_interests, and that is at the_right_stage that me_working_hard_now
will make_a big difference.

I_can't_imagine _not__working_6-7 days a week.

~~~
Apocryphon
That's great for_the_both of you. But workaholics shouldn't get_to dictate the
norms for_the_rest of humanity.

~~~
neilv
Agreed, no_one should dictate norms.

But I'd_rather have expectations of flexibility (e.g.,_take day_off or_a short
day because didn't sleep well, or family activity, or enjoy_the nice weather,
or just finished a_work crunch), than (I_imagine) expectations_that,_on those
4 days,_one_had better_be there the full day and at_least pretending_to work.

For some jobs, flexibility could_mean that someone can_arrange_with their
manager&team to personally have a_predictable 4-day schedule.

------
filleokus
Have there been largeish_tests of company wide four-day_work_weeks_in the
software sector?

Here in Sweden_the movement has mostly been push_by the left,_and for workers
with lower wage/burnout/high amounts of_sick_leave etc. I think it's mostly
been_tested_in the health care sector. I_think_it_lowered the amount of sick
leave,_but was too expensive to keep_since those