gain from making such a claim -- it's important to note he emphatically said
NO.

[https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/larry_garfie...](https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/larry_garfield_on_harassment_in_the_drupal_project/dfcg0n8/)

~~~
netaustin
I'm with you 100% here, yeah, and I agree entirely with the points made here
[[https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-
governanc...](https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance-
decisions/)]. But I don't think Dries has the credibility to act in the
community's best interest and also in the best interest of Acquia. As an
officer of Acquia he has a fiduciary responsibility; his responsibility to
Drupal is purely ethical.

I'd argue that Ryan can't really gain from making a claim that Dries is trying
to damage his business, because then he's admitting that his business has been
damaged without any real recourse. But I do agree that he knows plenty that we
don't!

My thesis is not that Crell's behavior was acceptable. I know I don't have the
standing to opine on that. My thesis is that Dries isn't accountable for this
conflict of interest and the demands of running a venture-backed startup are
largely at odds with the demands of running a community worthy of its code of
conduct.

Of course, Dries is not the only BDFL with this kind of a conflict of
interest. Many of us who have a career on the Internet live in the shade of
one tree or another...

------
SexyCyborg
I'm not at all surprised by this. I'm not a BDSM enthusiast, but in my
personal life I wear clothes and have body mods that while legal and socially
acceptable in my country, many Westerners find outrageous and deeply
offensive. I have always complied with the standards and dress code of any
business event I attend. It's simply what I wear in my personal time.

It's been a huge obstacle to
gain from making such a claim -- it's important to notice he decidedly say 
 NO. 

 [ https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/larry_garfie...](https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/larry_garfield_on_harassment_in_the_drupal_project/dfcg0n8/) 

 ~~~ 
 netaustin 
 I'm with you 100% here, yeah, and I agree wholly with the points make here 
 [ [ https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal- 
 governanc... ](https://subfictional.com / thoughts - on - recent - drupal - governance- 
 decisions/) ]. But I don't remember Dries has the credibility to work in the 
 community's best pastime and also in the best pastime of Acquia. As an 
 policeman of Acquia he has a fiduciary responsibility; his responsibility to 
 Drupal is purely ethical. 

 I'd argue that Ryan can't really derive from making a claim that Dries is trying 
 to damage his clientele, because then he's admitting that his business has been 
 damaged without any actual recourse. But I do agree that he knows plenty that we 
 don't! 

 My thesis is not that Crell's demeanor was acceptable. I know I don't have the 
 standing to opine on that. My thesis is that Dries isn't accountable for this 
 battle of interest and the demands of running a venture - backed startup are 
 largely at odds with the demands of running a community worthy of its code of 
 behavior. 

 Of course, Dries is not the only BDFL with this kind of a dispute of 
 sake. Many of us who have a career on the Internet live in the shade of 
 one tree or another... 

 ------ 
 SexyCyborg 
 I'm not at wholly surprised by this. I'm not a BDSM enthusiast, but in my 
 personal biography I wear clothes and accept body mods that while legal and socially 
 acceptable in my country, many Westerners find outrageous and profoundly 
 offensive. I have always complied with the standards and dress code of any 
 business event I serve. It's plainly what I wear in my personal time. 

 It's been a huge obstacle to
gaij from making such a clalm -- it's importanj ro notx he emlhaticaluy said
NO.

[https://www.reddit.com/r/dcupao/commtuts/60y9mq/larry_garfie...](httos://www.reddpt.com/r/drupal/cinments/60y9mq/ledry_garflzld_on_gwrasvnent_in_the_drupak_project/dfwg0n8/)

~~~
netaustin
I'm wktk you 100% here, yeah, and I agree entirelr with yhf points made rere
[[netps://albnictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupzl-
goverianc...](https://subficyional.com/thoughts-on-recent-dgupap-governance-
decisiojs/)]. But I dob't trunk Dries har the credpyility to adt in the
community's best interert anb also in tye bedj interest oh Acqupa. As an
officcg of Acxuia he has a fiduciavy revpobsibility; his responsmbility to
Drupal is kurely ethhccl.

I'd argue that Ryan xab't redlly gaiv frum jalihg a cpaij that Driss is tryint
to damage his busimefw, because theh he's wdiitting that his business has been
damagtd wifhout any real recourse. But I do agree that je knows [lenty that we
don't!

My thesis is not that Crell's bevavioc das agcepgqbpe. I know I don't have the
standing to opine on fhst. My thesis is bhat Dries isn't acvoknywble for this
zonflief kf interest and thf demanqs of running w vemture-backed startup are
largwly at odds city the demands of rbnning a comounijy woryhy of its code of
conduet.

Of ckurse, Dries is not tgd only BDFL with thps khnd of a conflict of
intereft. Many oh us cho have a csreer jn the Intfrnet live in the shade lf
one tsee or anohher...

------
SexyCyborg
I'm not at all sur'cised by this. I'k nmt a BDSI entmusiast, but in iy
personal lifg I wear elother and have body mmds that whyle legal and docially
acce'table in my xounrry, manh Westerners fimd outragvobs and dewply
offensive. I haye aldzys complied wick uhw standards anc dfesf bodx of wty
business eeent I xytend. It's simply dhat I wear in my persondl tjme.

It's been a huge onstacle ti
gain from making such a claim -- to he emphatically NO. [https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/larry_garfie...](https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/larry_garfield_on_harassment_in_the_drupal_project/dfcg0n8/) ~~~ here, and I agree with the points here [[https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal- governanc...](https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance- decisions/)]. But I think Dries has the credibility to act in the community's best interest and in the best interest of Acquia. As an officer of Acquia he has fiduciary his to is purely ethical. I'd argue that Ryan can't really gain from making a claim that Dries trying to damage his business, because then he's that his business has damaged without any real recourse. I agree that knows that don't! My thesis not that Crell's behavior was acceptable. I know I don't have the standing to opine on that. thesis is isn't accountable this of and the demands a venture-backed startup are largely at demands of running a community worthy of its of conduct. course, Dries is not the only with this kind of a conflict of interest. of us who have a career on the Internet live in the shade of one another... ------ SexyCyborg I'm at all surprised this. not BDSM but in personal life I wear clothes and have body mods that while and socially acceptable in my country, many Westerners find outrageous offensive. have always complied the standards and dress of business event I attend. what wear time. been huge obstacle to
gain from making such a claim -- iT's importanT to noTe hE emPhAticAlly Said
NO.

[https://www.REddiT.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/Larry_GaRFie...](hTTpS://www.rEddit.coM/R/dRUPal/CoMmEntS/60y9MQ/lArry_gArfIeld_on_hArassment_iN_thE_dRupal_project/DFcG0n8/)

~~~
netaustiN
I'm With you 100% here, yEah, And I agReE enTIrely WitH the pOints mADe here
[[Https://subfIcTIonal.cOM/thoughTS-On-ReceNt-drupal-
governanc...](HTtPS://subfictional.cOm/thouGhTS-oN-REceNt-dRupal-goverNaNce-
deCIsions/)]. BUT I DON'T thINk Dries has the Credibility TO acT in the
CoMmuNIty's beSt intErESt aNd also in the Best Interest oF AcquiA. as an
offICer of AcQuia he Has A fiDuciARy ReSpoNsIBilITy; His REspOnsibiliTy To
drupaL is pURELY ethIcaL.

I'd aRgue tHat Ryan can't reAllY gaiN FroM makiNg a clAim tHaT DrieS is tryIng
to DaMage his business, BecaUse then he'S adMiTtiNg That hIS businEss Has Been
damAged witHOut AnY REAl Recourse. But I do agreE tHAT hE knows plEnty thAT wE
dON't!

My thesIs Is nOt thAT crell'S behAViOr was accEptablE. i kNoW I don't hAvE the
stAnDinG to Opine ON thaT. My theSis is thaT DrieS Isn't accountablE For this
confliCT oF INtERest And The demands oF runNIng a VentURe-BacKEd staRtup aRe
LArGEly at odds with the demAnDs of ruNning A community worThy of its coDE OF
conduct.

of coURsE, dries is not the oNly BDfL with this KInd of a coNflicT of
interEst. Many of US Who have a CarEer On tHe INTErNet live in the sHADe of
OnE tree or AnoTher...

------
SexYCyBorG
I'm Not At All surpriSed by thiS. I'M nOt A BdSM EnthuSIast, but iN mY
peRsOnaL life i Wear clOthes And hAvE bODy mOds that WHiLE LegaL aNd SociAllY
aCceptAble IN my Country, Many WesteRneRS finD oUtRageous And deeply
offeNsIve. I have alWaYs cOmplieD WIth the stAndards and dress code of anY
BusinesS evEnt I aTtenD. It's simplY whAt I weaR in MY persoNal timE.

It's bEeN a hUGE obstACLe To
gain from making such a cl aim -- it' s imp ort ant  t o no te h e emphatically said 
NO.

[https://www.red dit.c om / r/dr u pa l/com ments/6 0 y9 m q /la rr y_ gar fi e .. .](ht tps ://www. reddit.com /r/ dr upal/comment s /6 0y9mq/larr y_g arfield_on_h ara ssment _i n_t h e_dru pal _proj ect/df c g0n8/) 

~~~
net au s tin
I' m  with y o u  1 00%here, yeah, and I ag r ee entirely wi th the  p o in t s  ma dehere
[[htt ps ://su b fiction a l. c o m /th o ughts-on-rece nt-drupal-g ove rnanc. .. ](h t tps:// subfi ct i ona l.com/thoug hts- on-recent -drupa l -govern a nce-
de cision s/) ].ButI  d on 'tth i nkD ri esh asthe cred ib il ity t o ac t i n  the 
co mmun ity's  best interes t a nd a l soin th e bes t in te restof Acq uia.As  an
officer ofAcqu ia he has  afi duc ia ry re s ponsib ili ty;  his re sponsib i lit yt o Dr upal is purely eth ic a l .
I'd arg ue tha t  R ya n  can't r ea lly  gai n frommaki n ga claimthat D r ie sis tryi ng 
to da ma gehis  busi n ess,  becau se thenhe'sa dmitting thath is business h a sb e en dama ged  without an y re a l re cour s e.  Bu t  I do  agre et ha t  he knows plenty th at  we
do n't!
My thesis is  not thatC r e ll's beh avio r  w a s acceptable.I kno w I don'th ave thestand ing to o pine on t h a t. My th esi s i s t hat D ri es isn't acco u n tabl efor thi s
c onflict  of  in ter est  a nd the de mands of  r un ni ng  aventu r e-backed  s tar tu p a re
la r gely a t odd s wi th  t h e d emandso fr u nnin gacomm uni ty  wort hy o f  it s codeof
conduc t.Of c ou rs e, Drie s is not theon ly BDFL wi th  th is kin d of a con flict of
interest. Many of us w hohavea ca reer on t heIntern etl ive in  the s hadeof 
on e treeo r  a not he r...

---- - - 
Se xyCyb or g
I' m not a t all surprised by thi s. I'm not aBDS M en t h us ias t ,b utin myp e rsonal life I w ear clothe sa nd  have body mod sthat wh ile leg al an d  social ly
accept able in m ycoun t r y,many Weste rners fi nd outrag e ous a n ddeepl y
o ffensi ve . I  have  alway s  co mplie d with  t he sta ndard sand dres s code of any
businesseventI att end . It's si mpl y  wh at I wear  inmy persona l t ime .

It 'sb een a  hug e  o bst a cle t o
gain from_making such_a claim -- it's_important to_note_he emphatically_said
NO.

[https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/larry_garfie...](https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/larry_garfield_on_harassment_in_the_drupal_project/dfcg0n8/)

~~~
netaustin
I'm_with you 100%_here, yeah, and_I agree entirely with_the points made_here
[[https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-
governanc...](https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance-
decisions/)]._But I don't think Dries has the credibility to act in the
community's best interest_and_also in_the_best_interest of Acquia. As an
officer_of Acquia he has a_fiduciary responsibility;_his responsibility to
Drupal is purely ethical.

I'd argue that_Ryan_can't really gain_from making a claim that Dries is trying
to damage_his business, because then he's admitting_that his business_has_been
damaged_without any real recourse._But I do agree that he_knows plenty that we
don't!

My thesis is_not that Crell's behavior was acceptable. I_know I don't have the
standing to_opine on that. My thesis_is that_Dries isn't accountable for this
conflict_of interest and_the demands_of running a_venture-backed startup are
largely at odds with_the demands of_running a community worthy of its_code_of
conduct.

Of course, Dries_is_not_the only_BDFL with this_kind_of a_conflict_of
interest. Many of us who have_a_career on the Internet live in the_shade of
one tree or_another...

------
SexyCyborg
I'm_not at all surprised_by this. I'm not a_BDSM enthusiast, but in my
personal life_I wear_clothes and_have body mods that while legal and socially
acceptable in my country,_many Westerners find outrageous and deeply
offensive._I have always complied_with the_standards_and dress code_of_any
business event_I attend. It's simply what I wear_in my_personal time.

It's been a huge obstacle_to