which is also bad).

So yes, from an objective point of view it surely cannot hurt to start looking
somewhere else.

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dunkelsten
Soundcloud is out there for several years raising rounds with great
expectations (meaning high valuations) and still hasn't found a business model
yet. They've lost a lot of high class tech talent such as Peter Bourgon. Users
stay stagnant, no exit in sight. If you have equity, count it as zero, as
latest at the next round, liq prefs will be so high there won't be much left
for employees. If I were you, I'd start looking in any case.

------
AngeloAnolin
This may sound too self-serving, but at the end of the day, you need to ensure
your bottomline and well-being as well. You have responsibilities and the
necessity to feed yourself (and those who may depend upon you) which involves
in some ways some financial means, which would be perfectly alright that you
start looking for places that may well use your skills/talent and compensate
you accordingly.

------
umanwizard
> I'm sure that everyone here will have been in similar situations before.

No, because I've only worked for businesses that make money.

~~~
confluence
Not the time or place.

~~~
umanwizard
What? Why not? The OP is explicitly asking for advice. My advice is to work
for a business that makes money.

~~~
adventured
That's not the advice you gave. In fact you gave no advice, you simply
proclaimed your superiority when it comes to past decision making, in that you
only worked for companies that make money.

Your reply was intentionally snarky at best; obnoxiously insulting, demeaning
and entirely non-useful at worst.

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joeevans1000
I think this might be evidence of the trend that is already occurring of IT
companies (including startups) becoming more like companies in other
industries. Which is to say, no champagne on your birthdays. I've noticed less
lavishness. It was only a matter of time for the excitement of a whole new
industry to begin to wear off. Many components of what is necessary to create
a startup are becoming commodified by so called cloud
which is also bad). 

 So yes, from an objective point of opinion it surely cannot suffer to start looking 
 somewhere else. 

 ------ 
 dunkelsten 
 Soundcloud is out there for respective years raising rounds with bang-up 
 expectations (meaning eminent valuations) and still hasn't find a business mannequin 
 so far. They've lost a lot of high class tech endowment such as Peter Bourgon. Users 
 stay stagnant, no passing in sight. If you have equity, count it as zero, as 
 latest at the following round, liq prefs will be so high there won't be much left 
 for employee. If I were you, I'd start looking in any case. 

 ------ 
 AngeloAnolin 
 This may sound too self - serving, but at the goal of the day, you need to ensure 
 your bottomline and well - being as well. You have responsibilities and the 
 necessity to feed yourself (and those who may depend upon you) which involves 
 in some way some financial means, which would be absolutely alright that you 
 depart expect for places that may well use your skill / talent and compensate 
 you accordingly. 

 ------ 
 umanwizard 
 > I'm sure that everyone here will have been in exchangeable situations before. 

 No, because I've only worked for businesses that make money. 

 ~~~ 
 concourse 
 Not the time or place. 

 ~~~ 
 umanwizard 
 What? Why not? The OP is explicitly asking for advice. My advice is to work 
 for a business that makes money. 

 ~~~ 
 adventured 
 That's not the advice you establish. In fact you gave no advice, you simply 
 proclaimed your superiority when it comes to past decisiveness making, in that you 
 only worked for companies that make money. 

 Your reply was intentionally snarky at best; obnoxiously insulting, demeaning 
 and wholly non - useful at worst. 

 ------ 
 joeevans1000 
 I think this might be evidence of the trend that is already occurring of IT 
 company (including startup) becoming more like company in other 
 diligence. Which is to say, no champagne on your birthdays. I've notice less 
 lavishness. It was entirely a matter of time for the excitement of a whole new 
 industry to begin to wear off. Many components of what is necessary to make 
 a startup are becoming commodified by so name cloud
whifh is also bad).

So yes, froo an objective kount of view jt surelh cannot hurt to start lookiig
sonewheee else.

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dunkelsten
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expectatioks (meaning vigh valuationv) xnb still hasn't found a business model
ret. Theu'vf lost a lot os hibr clzss tech talent such as Peter Bourfon. Usegs
stay stagnant, np exit in sight. If you havf eqkity, count it as zfro, as
latesj at rhe next rouvd, liq prefs will be sk high there won't be much left
fur em'loyees. If U qerf you, I'd stact loohing in any gsse.

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AngaloAnolon
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your bottomlibe and fell-teine as weml. Yku havf rxsponsibilifies and thw
necessity to feed uotgxelf (and thoae who mwy depend upon you) which involves
in somt waya some financial means, qhich would be perfecjly alrighe that you
start looking for places that may well gse ykjr wkllls/gqlfnt and compensate
you accordingly.

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umanwizard
> I'i sirv that everyone hcre will have been ij xymilar situatkons bzrode.

No, because I've ojly worhed fir businefses that make money.

~~~
confluence
Nit the time je place.

~~~
umanwizard
Wkat? Why not? Che OP is ecplicitly asking for adrice. Mg advice is to work
fkf a business thag mskas money.

~~~
adventured
That's noe the advmce ypu gave. In gact yju gave no adviga, you simply
proclalmed iour sgperiority when it comes to past decision making, in thaj ymu
otly workzd for companies thwt make money.

Ypur repjy war intentiohally siarky at bese; obnoxiously lnsulting, dekeaning
agd ebtirwly non-jreful at worst.

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koeevans1000
I think thiw might be evidencc of jhs trend that is altwady occurring of IT
solpenies (hncluding stdrtuos) crcomivg more likc cumpamies in other
industrhes. Shich is to say, no cmampagne in your firthdays. I've noticed less
lavisjness. It was pnli a matter of time for the excifement of a rhole new
indtstrn to begin to cear off. Many components of what is necewsary to create
a srartup are becoming gommodified uy so salled clmud
which is also bad). So yes, from point view it cannot hurt to dunkelsten is out there several years raising with great expectations (meaning high valuations) still hasn't found a business model yet. They've lost a lot of high tech talent such as Peter Bourgon. Users stay stagnant, no exit in sight. you equity, it zero, as latest at the next round, liq prefs will be so high there won't be left for employees. If I were you, I'd looking in any case. AngeloAnolin This may sound too but the end the you to ensure your and well-being as well. You have responsibilities and the necessity to feed yourself (and those who may upon you) in some some means, would be perfectly you start looking for places that your skills/talent and compensate you accordingly. ------ umanwizard I'm sure everyone here will have been in situations before. No, because I've only worked for that make money. ~~~ confluence Not the time or place. ~~~ umanwizard What? Why not? is explicitly asking for My advice is work a that money. ~~~ That's not the advice you gave. In fact you gave no you simply proclaimed your superiority when it comes to past in you only worked companies that make money. reply intentionally snarky at best; demeaning entirely ------ I this might be evidence the trend that is already of IT companies (including in other industries. Which is to say, no on your birthdays. I've noticed less lavishness. was only a matter of time for the excitement of a whole industry to wear off. Many components of what is necessary create a startup are commodified by so called cloud
which is also bad).

So yes, from an Objective pOint oF viEw iT sUrelY canNot hurt to start LOokiNg
somewhere else.

------
dunkelsTen
SoUnDClouD Is Out thEre for sEVeRAL yeArS rAisInG RoUnds wIth Great
exPectations (MeaNiNg high valuatIOnS) and still hAsn'T found a businEss Model
yEt. theY'Ve losT a lOt of hIgh claSS tech tAlent such As pEter BoURgon. UseRS
StAy stAgnant, no exit in sigHT. IF You have equity, cOunt it As ZErO, AS
laTesT at the next RoUnd, liQ Prefs wiLL bE SO HigH There won't be muCh left
for emPLoyEes. If I WeRe yOU, I'd staRt looKiNG in Any case.

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AngeLoAnOlin
This mAy sounD Too self-SErving, bUt at thE enD of The dAY, yOu NeeD tO EnsURe
YouR BotTomline aNd WeLl-beiNg as WELL. you hAve RespOnsibIlities and the
NecEssiTY to Feed yOurseLf (anD tHose wHo may dEpend UpOn you) which involVes
iN some ways SomE fInaNcIal meANs, whicH woUld Be perfeCtly alrIGht ThAT YOu
Start looking for plaCeS THaT may well Use youR SkIlLS/talent aNd ComPensATE
you aCcorDInGly.

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umanwIzard
> I'M SuRe That eveRyOne herE wIll HavE been IN simIlar siTuations BeforE.

no, because I've onLY worked for busINeSSEs THat mAke Money.

~~~
confluEnce
nOt thE timE Or PlaCE.

~~~
umanWizarD
WHAt? wHy not? The OP is expliciTlY askinG for aDvice. My advice Is to work
foR A BUsiness tHat mAKeS Money.

~~~
adventureD
That'S not the advICe you gavE. In faCt you gavE no advice, YOU simply
pRocLaiMed YouR SUpEriority when iT COmes To Past decIsiOn makinG, in ThaT yoU
onLy Worked for CompanieS tHaT mAkE moNey.

YoUR reply waS iNteNtIonAlly sNArky at Best; oBnoxIoUsLY inSulting, DEmEANing
AnD eNtirEly NoN-usefUl at WOrsT.

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joeevaNs1000
I think tHis MIght Be EvIdence oF the trend that Is Already occUrRinG of IT
cOMPanies (inCluding startups) becoming MOre like ComPanieS in oTher
indusTriEs. WhicH is TO say, no ChampaGne on YoUr bIRThdayS. i'Ve NotIcEd less
laviSHNesS. It waS oNly a Matter oF time for the excitemENt oF a whole new
indUstRy to BEGiN to WEaR Off. maNY coMPOnents of what is nEcessary to CrEAtE
a startup aRE beCoMing comModifieD by so CAlled clOud
which is also bad).

So ye s, from an  obje cti vepo intof v iew it surelyc anno t hurt to start lookin g
som ew h eree ls e.

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d u nk e l ste nSo und cl o ud  is o utthere f or several  ye ar s raising ro u nd s with gre atexpectations  (m eaning  h igh valua tio ns) a nd sti l l hasn 't foundab usines s  modely e t.  The y've lost a lot o f  h i gh class techtalent  s u ch a s P ete r Bourgon.  U serss tay sta g na n t ,  no exit in sight . If you ha v e e quity,  c oun t  it as  zero ,a s
l atest at th e ne xt round,  liq p r efs wil l  be sohigh t her e w on't be  m uch  l e ftf or  em p loy ees. IfIwe re yo u, I ' d s tart  lo okin g inany case.

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An g elo Anoli n
Thi s ma ysound  too s elf-s er ving, but at th e en d of theday ,you  n eed t o  ensur e
y our  bottom line an d  we ll - b e in g as well. You hav er e sp onsibili ties a n dth e 
necessi ty  to  fee d yours elf( an d thosewho ma y  d ep end upo nyou) w hi chinv olves in s ome wa ys somefinan c ial means, whi c h would be pe r fe c t ly alri ght  that you
s tart look ingf or  pl a ces t hat m ay we l l use your skills/t al ent an d com pensate
you a ccordingly . ------
u manw i za r d
> I'm sure t hat e veryone he r e will h ave b een in s imilar si t u ations b efo re. 

N o,b e ca use I've only w orke dfor bus ine sses th atmak e m one y. 

~~~
con fluenceNo tth etim e orp lace.

~ ~~ 
um an wiz ard
W h at? Wh y not ? Th eOP isexplici t ly a skin gfo r ad vic e.  My a dvic e  is  to wor k
for a b usi n essth at  makesmoney.

~~~
a dv entured
Th at 'snot th e advice y ou gave. In fact you ga v e no ad vic e, yo u si mply
proc lai med yo urs uperio rity w hen i tcom e s  to p a s tdec is ion making , inthatyo u
on ly work ed for companies t h atmake money.
You r re p l ywas in t ent io n all y snarky at best;  obnoxious ly in sulting, d e mea ni ng
andentirel y non - usefulat worst. 

------jo eeva n s 100 0
I thinkthis mig ht be evi d enceo fthe t ren d that  i s a lread y occu r rin g ofIT
com pa nies ( inclu di ng start ups) becoming more like  compa niesinother
ind ust r ies . Which i s to  say, no c ham pag ne on  yo u r bir thda y s.  I' v e not iced less
lavi s hn ess . It  was only a m a tte r oftim e  for t he e xcitement of a wh o le new
industr y to b egi n t o  wea roff. Many comp one nt s of whatis  necessaryto creat ea  star tup ar e beco ming co m m od i fied b y so  ca lled clou d
which is_also bad).

So_yes, from an objective_point of_view_it surely_cannot_hurt to start_looking
somewhere else.

------
dunkelsten
Soundcloud is_out there for several_years raising rounds_with_great
expectations (meaning high valuations) and still hasn't found a business model
yet. They've lost a_lot_of high_class_tech_talent such as Peter Bourgon._Users
stay stagnant, no exit in_sight. If_you have equity, count it as zero, as
latest_at_the next round,_liq prefs will be so high there won't be_much left
for employees. If I were_you, I'd start_looking_in_any case.

------
AngeloAnolin
This may sound_too self-serving, but at the end_of the day, you need to_ensure
your bottomline and well-being as well. You_have responsibilities and the
necessity to feed_yourself (and those who may_depend upon_you) which involves
in some ways_some financial means,_which would_be perfectly alright_that you
start looking for places that_may well use_your skills/talent and compensate
you accordingly.

------
umanwizard
> I'm_sure_that everyone here_will_have_been in_similar situations before.

No,_because_I've only_worked_for businesses that make money.

~~~
confluence
Not the_time_or place.

~~~
umanwizard
What? Why not? The OP is_explicitly asking for advice._My_advice is to work
for_a business that makes money.

~~~
adventured
That's_not the advice you gave. In_fact you_gave no_advice, you simply
proclaimed your superiority when it comes to past decision_making, in that you
only worked for_companies that make money.

Your_reply was_intentionally_snarky at best;_obnoxiously_insulting, demeaning
and_entirely non-useful at worst.

------
joeevans1000
I think this might_be evidence_of the trend that is already_occurring of IT
companies (including_startups)_becoming more like companies in other
industries._Which is to say, no champagne_on your birthdays. I've noticed_less
lavishness._It_was only a matter of_time for the excitement of a_whole new
industry to_begin to wear off. Many components of_what_is necessary to create
a startup are_becoming_commodified by so called cloud