 you owe the bank $100, you've got a problem. If you owe
the bank $100M, the bank has a problem."

Here's a tweaked version. If you can't get a raise, you have a problem. If a
company can't pay its employees market rate, the company has a problem.

I pretty firmly believe that if money is tight at a company, paying fewer
people more money (and setting higher expectations around performance) is the
way to go. Otherwise you end up with top talent leaving and those left feel
entitled to not give 100% (because they aren't being paid 100%).

------
benjaminwootton
Posting this with the company name is a little indiscreet.

If it was my company and I was having a bump in the road with funding I would
hope for it not to immediately hit the front page of HN for the sake of a few
weeks.

Soundcloud actually have a good reputation as an employer so maybe they
deserve a small benefit of the doubt? I get the mercenary attitude but it's
only potentially a few weeks or months for an incremental pay rise, not as if
they are going under....

I suspect this won't be a popular point of view but I like to think company
and employee owe each other at least a modicum of loyalty.

~~~
_e
The OP is anonymous. Are there any other SoundCloud employees willing to stand
up and confirm these accusations?

~~~
babo
That would make it even worse.

------
viraptor
You don't lose anything by starting to look at alternatives. You don't have to
do that full time either. But if you're uncertain about the future, while
still holding a paying job, this is the perfect time to refresh the CV,
request old references, subscribe to some job ad feeds.

You can easily send an application a week or two to places you find really
interesting without the "need money for food" feeling.

~~~
confluence
Strongly concur.

Also make this a yearly habit, so you stay on the ball, know where the market
is at, and become comfortable leaving at a moment's notice to avoid this life
changing anxiety you might be feeling.

Once you do it regularly, it's no big deal. Companies hire and fire dozens of
people a
you owe the bank $ 100, you've got a problem. If you owe 
 the bank $ 100 M, the depository financial institution have a problem. " 

 Here's a tweaked version. If you can't get a lift, you have a problem. If a 
 caller can't pay its employees grocery store rate, the company suffer a problem. 

 I reasonably firmly believe that if money is tight at a company, paying fewer 
 people more money (and dress higher expectations around performance) is the 
 room to go. Otherwise you end up with top talent leaving and those leave feel 
 entitled to not give 100% (because they aren't being paid 100 %). 

 ------ 
 benjaminwootton 
 Posting this with the company name is a short indiscreet. 

 If it was my company and I was having a bump in the road with funding I would 
 hope for it not to immediately hit the front page of HN for the sake of a few 
 weeks. 

 Soundcloud actually have a good reputation as an employer so maybe they 
 deserve a small benefit of the doubt? I get the mercenary attitude but it's 
 only potentially a few weeks or calendar month for an incremental pay rise, not as if 
 they are blend under.... 

 I distrust this won't be a democratic point of view but I like to think company 
 and employee owe each other at least a modicum of loyalty. 

 ~~~ 
 _ e 
 The OP is anonymous. Are there any other SoundCloud employee willing to stand 
 up and confirm these accusations? 

 ~~~ 
 babo 
 That would make it even worse. 

 ------ 
 viraptor 
 You don't lose anything by starting to look at alternatives. You don't have to 
 do that full meter either. But if you're uncertain about the future, while 
 however holding a paying job, this is the perfect time to review the CV, 
 request old references, subscribe to some caper ad feeds. 

 You can easily send an application a workweek or two to places you find really 
 interesting without the " need money for food " feeling. 

 ~~~ 
 concourse 
 Strongly concur. 

 Also make this a annual habit, so you last out on the ball, know where the marketplace 
 is at, and become comfortable leaving at a consequence's notice to avoid this life 
 changing anxiety you might be feeling. 

 Once you do it regularly, it's no big deal. Companies rent and fire dozens of 
 multitude a
 yok owe the bank $100, you've gou a problem. If yoo iwe
the bank $100J, the bavk has a problem."

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com'zny can'b pay lts ek'loyees market tate, the com[any has a protldm.

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keople more money (and setting higger exptctations around prrformance) is the
way to go. Othfrwise you end up aith top taoent oeaving and ghose left feel
entitles to not give 100% (because they arev't benng paid 100%).

------
bebjqmijfootton
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hopg for it vit go jmkesiatelj hmt the fronf page of HB for the sake of a fqq
weeks.

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deserve a wmall benefit of the foubt? I gqt the mercenary attitude but it's
only potentially a fex deejs ue lonths for an incremental pay rise, not as if
trsy age going under....

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and enployee ore esch other at least a modicun of loyalty.

~~~
_v
The OP is anonymous. Axe there any othgr SoumdCloud employees williug to atand
up and confirm ffese accusations?

~~~
cabp
Tvat would make it even worfe.

------
viraptoc
You bon't losd anithing fy startinh to look at alternatived. You dmn't have tl
do that full time either. But ih you're uncerjait atout the futuve, while
still hjlding a payiny job, thns is ghe perfecn time to refresh thq CV,
request onf references, subscrife ti sone job xa feeds.

You can easily svnb an applucation a week or bwo tu places you finb twally
interestimg ditrolt vhe "nqad money for fooa" fdrling.

~~~
zonfluence
Sbrovgly concur.

Also make thiv a gearly habit, so yoi ftay on jhe ball, hnow where thr market
is at, and hecomx comfurtabke jeaving at a moment's notice to avoid thls jife
changing anxlety you might be feeling.

Once you do it regularly, it's no big deal. Compabies hire and fire boeens of
people a
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 you owe the bank $100, you've got a proBlem. If you oWe
the BanK $100M, tHe Bank Has a Problem."

Here's a tWEakeD version. If you can't get a rAise, yOu HAve a PRoBlem. IF a
compaNY cAN'T paY iTs EmpLoYEeS markEt rAte, the cOmpany has a ProBlEm.

I pretty firMLy Believe thaT if Money is tight At a CompanY, pAyiNG feweR
peOple mOre monEY (and seTting highEr EXpectaTIons aroUND pErfoRmance) is the
way to gO. otHErwise you end up With toP tALeNT LeaVinG and those lEfT feel
ENtitled TO nOT GIve 100% (BEcause they areN't being paid 100%).

------
BEnjAminwoOtTon
pOsting This wItH The Company name Is a lIttle indiScreet.

iF it was mY Company And I waS haVinG a buMP iN tHe rOaD WitH FuNdiNG I wOuld
hope FoR iT not tO immEDIATely Hit The fRont pAge of HN for the SakE of a FEw
wEeks.

SOundcLoud AcTuallY have a Good rEpUtation as an emplOyer So maybe thEy
dEsErvE a Small BEnefit Of tHe dOubt? I geT the merCEnaRy ATTItUde but it's
only potenTiALLy A few weekS or monTHs FoR An incremEnTal Pay rISE, not aS if
tHEy Are going Under....

I SUsPeCt this wOn'T be a poPuLar PoiNt of vIEw buT I like To think cOmpanY
And employee owe EAch other at leaST a MODiCUm of LoyAlty.

~~~
_e
The OP iS anoNYmouS. Are THeRe aNY otheR SounDCLOuD Employees willing to sTaNd
up anD confIrm these accusAtions?

~~~
babo
tHAT would maKe it EVeN Worse.

------
viraptor
YOu don'T lose anythINg by starTing tO look at aLternativES. you don't hAve To
dO thAt fULL tIme either. But iF YOu're UnCertain AboUt the fuTurE, whIle
StiLl Holding a pAying job, ThIs Is ThE peRfect TIme to refReSh tHe cV,
rEquesT Old refErencEs, suBsCrIBe tO some joB Ad FEEds.

YOu CaN easIly SeNd an aPpliCAtiOn a week Or two to plAceS You fInD rEally
inTeresting withOuT the "need moNeY foR food" fEELing.

~~~
confLuence
Strongly concur.

AlsO Make thiS a yEarly HabiT, so you staY on The balL, knOW where The marKet
is At, And BECome cOMFoRtaBlE leaving at A MOmeNt's noTiCe to Avoid thIs life
changing anxiETy yOu might be feelIng.

once YOU dO it REgULarLy, IT's nO BIg deal. Companies Hire and firE dOZeNs of
people A
 you owe the bank $100, yo u've got a  prob lem . I fyouowethe bank $100M ,  the  bank has a problem."
Here 's a tw e ak ed ve rsion.I fy o u c an 't  ge ta  r aise,  yo u havea problem.  If  a 
company can ' tpay its em plo yees marketrat e, the  c omp a ny ha s a  prob lem.
I  prett y firmlybe l ieve t h at if m o n ey  istight at a compan y ,p aying fewer
pe ople m or e  m o n ey(an d settinghi ghere xpectat i on s a rou n d performance ) is the
wa y  to  go. O th erw i se you  endup wit h top talen t le aving and  those left fe e l
entit led to  no t g ive1 00 %(be ca u set he y a r en' t beingpa id  100% ).
- - - - --
b enj amin woott on
Posting th iswith the  comp any n ameis  a li ttle i ndisc re et.

If it wasmy c ompany an d I  w asha vinga  bumpinthe  road w ith fun d ing  I w o ul d
hope for it notto i mm ediately  hit t h efr o nt pageof  HN  for t he sa ke o f  a  few
wee ks.

S o un dc loud ac tu ally h av e a  go od re p utat ion as  an empl oyers o maybe they
d e serve a small be n e fi t  ofthe  doubt? I g et t h e me rcen a ry  at t itude  butit ' so nly potentially a f ew  weeks  or m onths for anincrementa l p ay rise,  not as if
they are go ing u nder....
I  suspect  this  won't b e a popul a r  point o f v iew  bu t I l ik e to think co m p anyan d emplo yee  owe ea choth eratle ast a mod icum oflo ya lt y. 

~ ~~
_e The OP i sano ny mou s. Ar e  there  anyothe rSo u ndC loud em p lo y e es w il li ng t o s ta nd
up  and con firm th ese accus ati o ns?
~ ~~ 
babo
T hat would mak eit even wo rs e.
----- - viraptor 
You don't lose anythin g  by sta rti ng to  loo k at alte rna tives.  Yo u  don't  haveto
do  t hat f ull t i m eeit he r. But ify o u'r e unc er tain  aboutthe future, whiles til l holding a p ayi ng j o b ,thi s  i s  th ep erf e c t time to refre sh the CV, 
r e qu est old re f ere nc es, sub scribeto so m e job a d feeds.
You canea sily s end  an applic ation aweek or t w o top la ces y oufind r ea lly 
inte restin g  wi thout  the " ne ed mon ey fo rfood" fe eling.

~~~
confluenceStrong ly co ncu r.

Alsomak e  th is a year ly h abit, so y ousta y onthe ball,  kno w  w her e  themark e t
is at,a nd  be c o me  comfortabl e l eav ing a t a moment 's n otice to avoid th i s life
changin g an x i ety  yo u  mig ht  be feeling.
Onc ey o u do itre gularly, it 's no bi gd eal.Compan ies hi re andf i re dozens  ofpeo ple a
 you_owe the_bank $100, you've got_a problem._If_you owe
the_bank_$100M, the bank_has a problem."

Here's_a tweaked version. If_you can't get_a_raise, you have a problem. If a
company can't pay its employees market rate, the_company_has a_problem.

I_pretty_firmly believe that if money_is tight at a company,_paying fewer
people_more money (and setting higher expectations around performance)_is_the
way to go._Otherwise you end up with top talent leaving and_those left feel
entitled to not give_100% (because they_aren't_being_paid 100%).

------
benjaminwootton
Posting this with_the company name is a little_indiscreet.

If it was my company and_I was having a bump in the_road with funding I would
hope for_it not to immediately hit_the front_page of HN for the_sake of a_few
weeks.

Soundcloud actually_have a good_reputation as an employer so maybe_they
deserve a small_benefit of the doubt? I get_the_mercenary attitude but_it's
only_potentially_a few_weeks or months_for_an incremental_pay_rise, not as if
they are going_under....

I_suspect this won't be a popular point_of view but I_like_to think company
and employee_owe each other at least_a modicum of loyalty.

~~~
_e
The OP is_anonymous. Are_there any_other SoundCloud employees willing to stand
up and confirm these accusations?

~~~
babo
That would_make it even worse.

------
viraptor
You don't lose_anything by starting to_look at_alternatives._You don't have_to
do_that full_time either. But if you're uncertain about_the future,_while
still holding a paying job, this_is the perfect time_to_refresh the CV,
request old references, subscribe_to some job ad feeds.

You can_easily send an application a_week_or_two to places you find_really
interesting without the "need money for_food" feeling.

~~~
confluence
Strongly concur.

Also_make this a yearly habit, so you_stay_on the ball, know where the_market
is_at, and become comfortable leaving at_a_moment's_notice to avoid this life
changing_anxiety you might be feeling.

Once you_do it regularly, it's no big deal. Companies hire_and fire dozens_of
people a