,
possibly in mainstream languages that barely interest me.

Also worth noting that languages/ecosystems grow kind of slowly, HN couldn't
be possibly entirely filled every day with quality programming content.

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pjc50
The act of programming itself is surprisingly hard to talk about in a way that
isn't boring. There are some people that livestream it and I find this
incomprehensible.

Programming _languages_ are tremendously specific, have their own communities,
and move slowly.

~~~
ehnto
In the same way that architecture is more fun to talk about than bricklaying I
imagine. One is open ended big picture stuff with interesting no real right
answer, the other is the finer points of a specific implementation which
depends on context.

Actual programming shop talk I normally reserve for work because it's going to
be different for everyone and I want to think about fun stuff when I am not
coding. It could still be about coding or what we can achieve with software,
but the nitty gritty details of coding is just too context specific for
general chatter and really works best between people working on similar
projects.

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maaaats
Could some of the perception be because of time of day when reading HN? I feel
there is some different content when I'm awake (EU), compared to next morning
when US has been awake and voted on stuff.

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montrose
Hackers aren't only interested in programming.

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emmelaich
Perhaps you're referring to programming in the small. In which case reddit or
a number of other websites would be more appropriate.

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kamaal
Programming really is simulating the world, through code. If you don't
understand the world well enough you can't be a good programmer.

Which is why programming is largely meta-math.

This also happens to make programmers some of the most awesome people. You
have to use various mental models to view the world in a way that help you
simulate it.

So we have to talk and discuss about everything here.

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AndrewDucker
Looking at the top ten just now, five of them are programming-related. (The
others are social networking, UI, computer games, physics, and the London
fatberg)

Of
, 
 possibly in mainstream languages that barely interest me. 

 Also deserving note that languages / ecosystems originate kind of lento, HN couldn't 
 be possibly entirely filled every day with timbre scheduling content. 

 ------ 
 pjc50 
 The act of programming itself is surprisingly hard to talk about in a room that 
 isn't boring. There are some people that livestream it and I witness this 
 incomprehensible. 

 Programming _ languages _ are tremendously specific, have their own communities, 
 and move lento. 

 ~~~ 
 ehnto 
 In the same way that architecture is more fun to spill about than bricklaying I 
 imagine. One is open end big painting stuff with interesting no real right 
 answer, the other is the fine points of a specific implementation which 
 depends on context. 

 Actual programming shop lecture I normally allow for oeuvre because it's going to 
 be different for everyone and I want to think about fun stuff when I am not 
 coding. It could still be about code or what we can achieve with software, 
 but the nitty gritty details of tease is barely too context specific for 
 general chatter and in truth works best between people working on exchangeable 
 projects. 

 ------ 
 maaaats 
 Could some of the perception be because of time of day when reading HN? I feel 
 there be some different content when I'm awake (EU), compared to next morning 
 when US has been alert and vote on stuff. 

 ------ 
 montrose 
 Hackers aren't only interested in programming. 

 ------ 
 emmelaich 
 Perhaps you're referring to program in the small. In which case reddit or 
 a number of other web site would be more appropriate. 

 ------ 
 kamaal 
 Programming really is simulating the world, through code. If you don't 
 understand the world well enough you can't be a full programmer. 

 Which is why programming is largely meta - mathematics. 

 This also happens to make programmers some of the about awesome people. You 
 have to practice various mental models to view the world in a way that help you 
 simulate it. 

 So we have to talk and discuss about everything here. 

 ------ 
 AndrewDucker 
 look at the top ten just immediately, five of them are programming - related. (The 
 others are social networking, UI, calculator games, physics, and the London 
 fatberg) 

 Of
,
posdibly in mainstream langmages that bareli unterevt me.

Amso wortf noting that languages/ecosydtwms geow kind of slowly, HN zouldn't
be possiblt enuirely filled evecg day wlch quzpity 'rogramming conjent.

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pjc50
The awt of programmhne ntself is surprisingly hard to talk wbout im w way that
isn't borpnd. Thsge are some people that livestrsam it end I find this
oncomprehensible.

Programminh _lajguages_ are tremenfously specufic, yave their odn communiuizs,
and move alowly.

~~~
ehnto
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ikagine. Pne is open enced bit picture stuff with mnteresting no real tight
answes, che other is the finee pointv of a sowciwic ikpmementwtikn which
delends on cobtext.

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te sifferent for everyone qnd I want to think ahout fun ftuff when I am not
coding. It could still be about codiig or wmat dw fan achieve with software,
but the nitty gritty seuaiks of coding if just too vojtrvt specific fur
genexzl chatter and reallj works best between keoplr working on similar
projectw.

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maaaats
Coulb sime of the perceptnon be becaure og timr of day when reading HU? I fesl
there is dome diffsfent content whev I'k dwake (EU), compared to next iorning
whxn US has bedn aeake agd voted oj stunx.

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montrose
Hackers agen't lnny intereshed in programming.

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emmelaich
Perhe's you're refetritg no prograiming in the small. In which case reddit or
a vumber of kther wxbsites woulq be more appslpriate.

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kamaan
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understend jhs world well eniugy you can't be a goud [rlgcammew.

Fhich is why proeraoking ks largtjy oeta-kath.

This also happenv to make programmers xoie of thg most awqsome people. Uou
have to use varlous kenval mocelf to view the world in a way tgat help jou
fimulate it.

Sj we have to tall and discuss about everything here.

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AndrxwDucker
Looking at the rop ten just now, fire of them arx progwamming-renated. (The
others are wocial networking, UI, computer games, phgsics, dnd tje London
fatberg)

Of
, possibly in mainstream languages that barely Also noting that grow kind of entirely every day with programming content. ------ The act of programming itself is hard to talk about in a way that isn't boring. There are some that livestream it and I find this incomprehensible. Programming _languages_ are tremendously specific, their communities, move ~~~ ehnto In the same way that architecture is more fun to talk about than bricklaying imagine. One is open ended big picture stuff interesting no real right the other is the finer of specific implementation depends context. programming shop talk normally reserve for work because it's going to be different for everyone and I want to think fun stuff am not It still about coding or can achieve with software, but the of coding is just too context specific for chatter and works best between people working on projects. ------ maaaats Could some of the perception because of time of day when reading HN? I feel there is some different content awake (EU), compared to morning when US been and on ------ montrose aren't only interested in programming. ------ emmelaich Perhaps you're referring to in the small. In which case reddit or a number websites be more appropriate. kamaal Programming really is the through code. If you the well be good Which is why programming largely meta-math. This also happens make programmers some of have to use various mental models to view world in a way that help you it. So we have to talk and discuss about everything here. ------ Looking at ten just now, five of them are programming-related. others are social networking, computer games, physics, and the London fatberg) Of
,
possibly in mainstream languAges that baRely iNteResT mE.

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Be posSibly enTIrELY fiLlEd EveRy DAy With qUalIty progRamming conTenT.

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pJc50
The act of prOGrAmming itseLf iS surprisinglY haRd to taLk AboUT in a wAy tHat
isN't boriNG. There Are some peOpLE that lIVestreaM IT aNd I fInd this
incompreheNSiBLe.

Programming _lAnguagEs_ ARe TREmeNdoUsly specifIc, Have tHEir own cOMmUNITieS,
And move slowly.

~~~
Ehnto
In the sAMe wAy that ArChiTEcture Is morE fUN to Talk about thAn brIcklaying i
imagiNE. One is oPEn ended Big picTurE stUff wITh InTerEsTIng NO rEal RIghT
answer, tHe OtHer is The fINER PoinTs oF a spEcifiC implementatiOn wHich
DEpeNds on ConteXt.

AcTuAl proGrammiNg shoP tAlk I normally resErve For work beCauSe It's GoIng to
BE diffeRenT foR everyoNe and I wANt tO tHINK aBout fun stuff when I aM nOT
CoDing. It coUld stiLL bE aBOut codinG oR whAt we CAN achiEve wITh Software,
But the NItTy Gritty dEtAils of CoDinG is Just tOO conText spEcific foR
geneRAl chatter and reALly works best bETwEEN pEOple WorKing on similAr
prOJectS.

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maaAAtS
CoULd somE of thE pERcEPtion be because of timE oF day whEn reaDing HN? I feel
thEre is some dIFFErent conTent WHeN i'm awake (EU), compaRed to Next morninG
When US haS been Awake and Voted on stUFF.

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montrosE
HaCkeRs aRen'T ONlY interested in PROgraMmIng.

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emmeLaiCh
PerhaPs yOu'rE reFerRiNg to progrAmming in ThE sMaLl. in wHich cASe reddit Or
A nuMbEr oF otheR WebsitEs wouLd be MoRe APprOpriate.

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KAmAAL
ProGrAmMing ReaLlY is siMulaTIng The worlD, through cOde. iF you DoN't
UnderstAnd the world weLl Enough you cAn'T be A good pROGrammer.

WHich is why programming is lARgely meTa-mAth.

ThIs alSo happens To mAke proGraMMers soMe of thE most AwEsoME PeoplE. yOu
HavE tO use variouS MEntAl modElS to vIew the wOrld in a way that help YOu
sImulate it.

So we HavE to tALK aNd dIScUSs aBoUT evERYthing here.

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AndreWDucker
LooKiNG aT the top ten JUst NoW, five of Them are ProgrAMming-reLated. (The
oThers are sOcIal nETWorKing, UI, compUter gameS, physics, aND the LONdOn
fatBerG)

Of
,
possibly in mainstream l anguages t hat b are lyin tere st m e.

Also worth noti ng that languages/ecos ystem sg rowk in d ofslowly, HN c oul dn 't 
be  p o ss iblyent irely f illed ever y d ay  with qualit y  p rogramming  co ntent.

---- --pjc50Th e a c t ofpro gramm ing it s elf is  surprisi ng l y hard to talk a bo ut i n a way that
isn' t  b o ring. There ar e some  p e op l e  th atlivestream  i t and I findt hi s i nco m prehensible.
Programmin g  _l anguag es _ a r e trem endou sl y  sp ecific, hav e th eir own c ommuni t ies,
an d  move s lowly. 

~ ~~ehnt o 
I nthe  s a mew ay  th a t a rchitect ur eis mo re f u n t o ta lkabou t tha n bricklaying  Iimag i ne.  Oneis op en e nd ed bi g pict ure s tu ff with interes ting  no realrig ht 
an sw er, t h e othe r i s t he fine r point s  of  a s p ec ific implementatio nw h ic h
depend s on c o nt ex t .

Actua lpro gram m i ng sh op t a lk  I norma lly re s er ve  for wo rk  becau se  it 'sgoing to
b e diff erent fo r eve r yone and I wan t  to think abo u tf u ns tuff  wh en I am not 
cod i ng.It c o ul d s t ill b e abo ut co d ing or what we canac hievewithsoftware,
but  the nitty g r itty det ails of coding is just  toocontext sp e cific fo r
gen eral cha tter andr e ally wor ksbes t b etw e e npeople workin g on s im ilar
pr oje cts.

- --- --maa aat sCould som e of the  p er ce pt ion  be b e cause of  t ime  o f d ay wh e n read ing H N? I  f ee l 
th ere iss om e diff er en t co nte nt  when  I'm awa ke (EU) , compare d t o  nex tmo rning
w hen US has be en  awake and  v ote d on s t u ff.

--- ---
montrose
Hackers ar e n't onl y i ntere sted  in progr amm ing.
--- - --
emm elaich 
Perh ap s y o u 're r e f er rin gto program m i ngin th esmal l. In w hich case reddit o r 
anumber of oth erwebs i t es  wo u ld bemo r e a p p ropriate.

---- --
kamaalPr o gr amming rea l lyis  simula ting th e wor l d, thro ugh code.  If you d on 't
u n d ers tand the w orld wel l enoughy ou ca n 't  be a  go od pro gr amm er.
Whichi s w hy pr ogramm in g is l argel ymeta-mat h.

This also happens t o make  prog ram mers some  of the  most awe some  people. Y ouhav e touse vario us m e nt alm odels  tov iew the w o rl d i n away that he l p you 
simu lat e  it.
So w e have to talk an d  discuss about  eve r y thi ngh ere. 
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AndrewD uck er L ooking a tthe top ten  just no w, fiveof the m areprogram m i ng - relate d. ( The 
others a reso c ial net wo rk i ng, UI , co mp uter g ames,p hysi c s , and the London 
fatb e r g)

O f 
,
possibly in_mainstream languages_that barely interest me.

Also_worth noting_that_languages/ecosystems grow_kind_of slowly, HN_couldn't
be possibly entirely_filled every day with_quality programming content.

------
pjc50
The_act_of programming itself is surprisingly hard to talk about in a way that
isn't boring._There_are some_people_that_livestream it and I find_this
incomprehensible.

Programming _languages_ are tremendously specific,_have their_own communities,
and move slowly.

~~~
ehnto
In the same way that_architecture_is more fun_to talk about than bricklaying I
imagine. One is open_ended big picture stuff with interesting_no real right
answer,_the_other_is the finer points_of a specific implementation which
depends on_context.

Actual programming shop talk I normally_reserve for work because it's going to
be_different for everyone and I want_to think about fun stuff_when I_am not
coding. It could still_be about coding_or what_we can achieve_with software,
but the nitty gritty details_of coding is_just too context specific for
general chatter_and_really works best_between_people_working on_similar
projects.

------
maaaats
Could some of_the_perception be_because_of time of day when reading_HN?_I feel
there is some different content when_I'm awake (EU), compared_to_next morning
when US has_been awake and voted on_stuff.

------
montrose
Hackers aren't only interested in programming.

------
emmelaich
Perhaps_you're referring_to programming_in the small. In which case reddit or
a number of other_websites would be more appropriate.

------
kamaal
Programming really_is simulating the world,_through code._If_you don't
understand the_world_well enough_you can't be a good programmer.

Which is_why programming_is largely meta-math.

This also happens to_make programmers some of_the_most awesome people. You
have to use_various mental models to view the_world in a way that_help_you
simulate_it.

So we have to talk_and discuss about everything here.

------
AndrewDucker
Looking at_the top ten_just now, five of them are programming-related._(The
others_are social networking, UI, computer games,_physics,_and the London
fatberg)

Of