 poverty is urban.
People already move to cities if possible to be where the support facilities
are or, if all else fails, to beg on the streets.

What I expect we might see a bit more of is modern self-sufficiency and
techno-crofting, where people's cash flow looks low but they grow their own
food and don't have to pay rent. Already renewables are making this easier on
islands. H&I also seems like a good place for medium-range air cargo drones;
rather than send a van on a 100km trip round the mountains, send a drone 25km
over them.

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ZeroGravitas
I can think of some potential benefits of an EV if you lived somewhere remote
like that. Charging at home would be even more convenient if your nearest
petrol station was some distance away, possibly wasn't open 24 hours, and had
higher than usual prices due to the low traffic throughput. You'd also
probably drive more miles than average, meaning the lower fuel costs and
maintenance of an EV would add up faster. (I seem to recall a story about a
rural delivery driver in the US that realised his per-mile reimbursements for
fuel meant he could afford to buy and pay off a Tesla Model S with his fuel
savings)

An EV with a range extender for those emergency unexpected long trips could be
the best of both worlds, though a higher capacity EV may relatively soon be
cheap enough to make that a poor choice.

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gozur88
That's a weird headline. Governments can ban technology, but they can't make
it obsolete.

~~~
iainmerrick
Sounds like you're assuming a ban on combustion engines is the only thing a
government can do, but they have plenty of other options. They could offer tax
incentives for EVs, for example, or fund research into EV technology.

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StephenMelon
Great to see the Scottish Government leading on renewable energy again. I was
worried that adding over 30 million cars to the grid would cause problems but
having looked into it it looks like it would add less than half a percentage
point onto UK energy consumption at current utilisation rates.

I do wonder how it will affect the PCP market though as the future value of
petrol and diesel cars will presumably become more difficult to predict?


poverty is urban. 
 People already move to cities if possible to be where the documentation facility 
 are or, if all else fails, to beg on the streets. 

 What I have a bun in the oven we might see a bit more of is advanced self - enough and 
 techno - crofting, where people's cash flow looks low but they grow their own 
 food and don't get to pay rent. Already renewables are making this easier on 
 islands. H&I also look like a good place for medium - stove air cargo drones; 
 rather than send a avant-garde on a 100 km trip round the mountains, send a monotone 25 km 
 over them. 

 ~~~ 
 ZeroGravitas 
 I can think of some potential benefits of an EV if you lived somewhere remote 
 like that. Charging at home would be even more convenient if your nearest 
 petrol station was some distance away, possibly wasn't open 24 hours, and had 
 higher than usual monetary value due to the low traffic throughput. You'd besides 
 credibly drive more miles than average, meaning the humble fuel costs and 
 maintenance of an EV would add up faster. (I look to recall a story about a 
 rural delivery driver in the US that realised his per - mile reimbursements for 
 fuel think of he could afford to buy and pay off a Tesla Model S with his fuel 
 savings) 

 An EV with a compass extender for those emergency unexpected retentive trips could be 
 the best of both worlds, though a higher capacity EV may relatively soon be 
 brassy enough to make that a poor choice. 

 ------ 
 gozur88 
 That's a eldritch headline. Governments can banish technology, but they can't make 
 it obsolete. 

 ~~~ 
 iainmerrick 
 sound like you're assuming a bachelor of arts in nursing on combustion engines is the lone thing a 
 politics can do, but they have plenty of other choice. They could offer tax 
 incentives for EVs, for exercise, or fund inquiry into EV technology. 

 ------ 
 StephenMelon 
 Great to see the Scottish Government leading on renewable department of energy again. I was 
 worried that adding over 30 million cars to the grid would induce problems but 
 having looked into it it looks like it would add less than half a share 
 point onto UK energy consumption at current utilisation rates. 

 I do wonder how it will affect the PCP market though as the future value of 
 gasoline and diesel cars will presumably become more difficult to predict?
 pogerty is urban.
People alrtady move to citigs if povsible to be wfere the support facilities
ace oe, if qll else fails, to beg un the stgeets.

What I eepect we might sxs a bit more kn is kidern self-sufflciency and
dechno-crofting, wfexe people's cash flow looks low but trey groe hheir own
food wnd cjn't gave to pay rent. Already renewablea are meking this easirr on
islands. H&I also seems likf a good place for medium-rangg aiw cargo droner;
rather than send a vah on a 100km trip round the mountakns, sznd a drone 25kn
ovft them.

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ZeroGrevitas
P can think on some [otentisl benefits of an EV if you lived somewhece remote
like that. Crarging ad kome would be even moee convgniend if touf ntarxst
letrol stetion was skme distancw away, possibly wasm't ipen 24 hours, ahd had
ridher than usual prices due to the low tgaffjc throughput. You'd also
probably drive more mlles than average, meaning the lower fuel costs and
maintenatce oh xn TV woula afd up faster. (I seem to recall a story about a
whrsl delivery drivcr in the US that tewlofed his per-miue reimbudsements for
fuel mfant he coule afford uo buu and pay off a Tesla Model S with his yueo
savings)

An EV with a range excender for yhose emergency unexpecced lohg trips cokld be
the cest of both woruds, tvough a higher capacity EV may relavivelv soon bd
chesp enotgh to makf thab a poor choice.

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gozug88
That'd d weird hewdline. Governments can ban techiplogy, but thgy wan'n make
it jbsolcte.

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iainmerrick
Sjunds like you'te assumiug a bxn on comblstion enjines is the only thing a
clvernment cai do, but ehey havw plenth of other optipns. They bobld offer tax
incentives for EVr, for example, or fubd research intp EX tqcjnpljcy.

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StephenMelmn
Grdat yo sed the Scottlsh Govrrnment leading on ranewzble energy again. O ras
worrigd that aqding over 30 mollion cars to the grid wonld caise problems but
having looked intk it it llokf like it wotld qdd less thau half a percentage
point onto UK energy ronsumption at current ytilisation rates.

I bo wonder how it wyll affecd the PCP market thoygh as the future value of
petrol and djesel wars aill presumably become more difficult to predict?


poverty is urban. People already move to possible be where support facilities are to on the streets. I expect we see a bit more of is self-sufficiency and techno-crofting, where people's cash flow looks low but they grow their food and don't have to pay rent. Already renewables are making this easier islands. also like good place for medium-range air cargo drones; rather than send a van on a 100km trip the mountains, send a drone 25km over them. ZeroGravitas I can think some potential benefits of an if lived somewhere like Charging home would be more convenient if your nearest petrol station was some distance away, possibly wasn't open 24 hours, and higher than due to low throughput. also probably drive than average, meaning the lower fuel of an EV would add up faster. (I to recall story about a rural delivery driver the US that realised his per-mile reimbursements for meant he could afford to buy and pay off a Tesla Model S with his An EV with a extender for those unexpected trips be best of worlds, though a higher capacity EV may relatively soon be cheap to make that a poor choice. ------ gozur88 That's a Governments ban technology, but can't make it obsolete. iainmerrick like you're assuming a combustion is a can but they have plenty other options. They could offer incentives for EVs, for EV technology. ------ StephenMelon Great to see the Government leading on renewable energy again. I worried that adding over 30 million cars to the grid would cause but having it it looks like it would add less half a percentage point UK energy consumption at current utilisation rates. I do how will affect PCP market though the future value petrol and diesel presumably become difficult predict?
 poverty is urban.
People alreaDy move to ciTies iF poSsiBlE to bE wheRe the support faCIlitIes
are or, if all else fails, To beg On THe stREeTs.

WhaT I expecT We MIGht SeE a Bit MoRE oF is moDerN self-suFficiency aNd
tEcHno-crofting, wHErE people's caSh fLow looks low bUt tHey groW tHeiR Own
foOd aNd don'T have tO Pay renT. Already rEnEWables ARe makinG THiS easIer on
islands. H&I alsO SeEMs like a good plaCe for mEdIUm-RANge Air Cargo droneS;
rAther THan send A VaN ON A 100km TRip round the moUntains, send A DroNe 25km
ovEr TheM.

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zeroGrAvitaS
I CAn tHink of some pOtenTial benefIts of aN eV if you LIved somEwhere RemOte
Like THaT. CHarGiNG at HOmE woULd bE even morE cOnVenieNt if YOUR NearEst
PetrOl staTion was some diStaNce aWAy, pOssibLy wasN't opEn 24 Hours, And had
HigheR tHan usual prices dUe to The low traFfiC tHroUgHput. YOU'd also
ProBabLy drive More milES thAn AVERaGe, meaning the lower fUeL COsTs and
maiNtenanCE oF aN eV would aDd Up fAsteR. (i Seem tO recALl A story abOut a
ruRAl DeLivery dRiVer in tHe uS tHat RealiSEd hiS per-miLe reimbuRsemeNTs for
fuel meant HE could afford tO BuY ANd PAy ofF a TEsla Model S wIth hIS fueL
savINgS)

An ev with A rangE eXTeNDer for those emergencY uNexpecTed loNg trips could bE
the best of BOTH worlds, tHougH A hIGher capacity EV May reLatively soON be
cheap EnougH to make tHat a poor cHOIce.

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gozur88
thaT's a WeiRd hEADlIne. GovernmentS CAn baN tEchnoloGy, bUt they cAn't MakE
it ObsOlEte.

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iainmeRrick
SouNdS lIkE yOu'rE assuMIng a ban oN cOmbUsTioN engiNEs is thE only ThinG a
GoVErnMent can DO, bUT They HaVe PlenTy oF oTher oPtioNS. ThEy could Offer tax
iNceNTiveS fOr eVs, for eXample, or fund rEsEarch into Ev tEchNology.

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sTEphenMelOn
Great to see the Scottish gOvernmeNt lEadinG on rEnewable eNerGy agaiN. I wAS
worriEd that AddinG oVer 30 MILlion CARs To tHe Grid would cAUSe pRobleMs But
hAving loOked into it it looks lIKe iT would add less ThaN halF A PeRceNTaGE
poInT OntO uk energy consumptIon at curreNt UTiLisation raTEs.

I Do Wonder hOw it wilL affeCT the PCP Market thoUgh as the fUtUre vALUe oF
petrol and Diesel caRs will preSUmablY BeCome mOre DifficUlT to PrediCt?


 poverty is urban.
Peoplealready mo ve to  ci tie sif p ossi ble to be wher e  the  support facilities
ar e or,  i f  all el se fa ils, to be g onth estr ee t s. 

Wha t I  expect  we mightsee  a  bit more of is  modern se lf- sufficiencyand 
techn o- cro f ting,  wh ere p eople' s  cashflow look sl ow but they gr o w  t heir  own
food and don ' th ave to pay ren t. Alr ea d yr e new abl es are mak in g thi s  easier on i s lan d s. H&I also s eems like a goo d plac efor medium -rang ea ircargo drone s;
r ather tha n send a van o n  a 100k m trip  ro und  the mo un tai ns ,  se n da d r one  25km
ov er  t hem.
~~~ Z e r oGra vit as
I  canthink of some  po tent i albenef its o f an  E V ifyou li ved s om ewhere remote
l ikethat. Cha rgi ng  at  h ome w o uld be  ev enmore co nvenien t  if  y o u r  n earest
petrol stat io n wa s some d istanc e  a wa y , possib ly  wa sn't o pen 2 4 ho u rs , and ha d
high e rth an usua lprices  d uetothe l o w tr afficthroughp ut. Y o u'd also
proba b ly drive more mi l e st hanave rage, meani ng t h e lo werf ue l c o sts a nd
ma in t en a nce of an EV wouldad d up f aster . (I seem torecall a s t o r y abouta
ru r al delivery drive r inthe US tha t  realise d his  per-mil e reimbur s e ments fo r
f uel  me ant h ecould affordt o  buy  a nd payoff  a Tesl a M ode l S  wi th  his fuel 
savings )
A nEV  wi th ar ange ext en der  f orthose emerge ncy u nexp ec te d  lo ng trip s  c o u ld b eth e be stof  both  wor l ds,  though  a higher  ca p acit yEV  may re latively soon  b e
cheap en ou ghto mak e that a p oor choice.

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goz u r88
Tha t's  a we irdheadline.  Go vernme nts can ba n tech nolog y,  bu t theyc a n' t m ak e
it obsol e t e.
~~~ia inme rrick
S ounds like you'rea ssu ming a ban on  co mbus t i on  en g in e s i st heo n ly thing a
gove rnment can  d o ,but they h a vepl enty of  otheroptio n s. They  could of fer tax
i nc enti v e s f or EVs, fo r exampl e, or fun d  rese a rc h int o E V tech no log y.

- -----S tep henMe lon
Gr ea t to s ee th eScottish  Government leading onrenewa ble e ner gy again.  Iw asworried t hatadding ove r 3 0 m illio n c a rs to  the gr idw ouldcaus e  problems bu t
h a v in g looked in t o itit lo oks like i t wo uld add less than half a percent agep o int  on t o UK  e nergy consumpt ion  a t currentut ilisation r ates.

I  d o  wond er how  it wi ll affe c t  t h e PCPmark etthough as  th ef uture v al ue of
pet rolan d dies el car s  wil l presumably becom e mor e diffi c ult  to p re dict?

 poverty_is urban.
People_already move to cities_if possible_to_be where_the_support facilities
are or,_if all else_fails, to beg on_the streets.

What I_expect_we might see a bit more of is modern self-sufficiency and
techno-crofting, where people's cash_flow_looks low_but_they_grow their own
food and don't_have to pay rent. Already_renewables are_making this easier on
islands. H&I also seems like_a_good place for_medium-range air cargo drones;
rather than send a van on_a 100km trip round the mountains,_send a drone_25km
over_them.

~~~
ZeroGravitas
I_can think of some_potential benefits of an EV if_you lived somewhere remote
like that. Charging_at home would be even more convenient_if your nearest
petrol station was some_distance away, possibly wasn't open_24 hours,_and had
higher than usual prices_due to the_low traffic_throughput. You'd also
probably_drive more miles than average, meaning_the lower fuel_costs and
maintenance of an EV would_add_up faster. (I_seem_to_recall a_story about a
rural_delivery_driver in_the_US that realised his per-mile reimbursements_for
fuel_meant he could afford to buy and_pay off a Tesla_Model_S with his fuel
savings)

An_EV with a range extender_for those emergency unexpected long trips_could be
the_best of_both worlds, though a higher capacity EV may relatively soon be
cheap_enough to make that a poor_choice.

------
gozur88
That's a weird headline._Governments can_ban_technology, but they_can't_make
it obsolete.

~~~
iainmerrick
Sounds_like you're assuming a ban on combustion_engines is_the only thing a
government can do,_but they have plenty_of_other options. They could offer tax
incentives_for EVs, for example, or fund_research into EV technology.

------
StephenMelon
Great to_see_the_Scottish Government leading on renewable_energy again. I was
worried that adding_over 30 million_cars to the grid would cause problems_but
having_looked into it it looks like_it_would add less than half a_percentage
point_onto_UK energy consumption at current_utilisation rates.

I do wonder how it_will affect the PCP market though as the future_value of
petrol and_diesel cars will presumably become_more_difficult_to predict?

