 life I think is having mentors who are examples to follow it's good to have
a person who you can think "What would Bob do?" as an internal guide.

It's easy to say all that but hard to do, I haven't mastered that yet.

~~~
msutherl
I've found this fear to be my greatest motivator, but it has also lead me down
false paths. Truth is, your dichotomy is a fiction. There are plenty of people
who live fulfilling lives without ever having consciously focused on learning
skills and meeting qualifications wanted by employers. However, nobody gets
anywhere by being lazy – one then needs to find another motivator. One I have
in mind is: repulsion toward injustices in the world. Rather than fearing
drudgery, you can hold yourself personally accountable for evils and optimize
for effecting change. Of course this is also a fiction. An individual is most
likely incapable of effecting significant change in the world.

All motivations are irrational, but you still must have one. If you haven't
found one, keep looking. Watch documentaries, travel, read books. You will
find things to care about.

~~~
dhughes
I shouldn't say or at least didn't mean a lot of money is the only way to be
happy, yes finding something you love to do and your family is able to live a
good life is the goal.

Education is a great character builder I often see educated people in
stressful situations far more calm than someone who worked all their lives wit
no education other than high school. It's not a science it doesn't apply every
time but education gives you options, if you lose your job at a sawmill where
you worked since age 16 you're going to be stressed. Sooner or later we all
figure this out but it's better to discover that at age 18 than 49.

------
loceng
Exercise. Relatively new discovery that lactic acid, that comes from muscle
use, is a "pre-cursor" for motivation.

~~~
timmm
Counter-example: Me, I don't work out. I work 9-5 at a tech job and then spend
the weekend working on my own products. I don't struggle with motivation as I
literally enjoy what I do.

Always question advice that people like to rattle
life I think is having mentors who are exemplar to be it's good to have 
 a person who you can think " What would Bob perform? " as an internal guide. 

 It's comfortable to say all that but hard to do, I haven't master that yet. 

 ~~~ 
 msutherl 
 I've found this concern to be my greatest motivator, but it has also lead me down 
 assumed paths. Truth is, your dichotomy is a fiction. There are plenty of citizenry 
 who live fulfilling lives without always having consciously focused on learning 
 skill and meeting qualification wanted by employers. However, nobody gets 
 anywhere by being lazy – one then needs to determine another motivator. One I have 
 in mind is: repulsion toward injustices in the populace. Rather than fearing 
 drudgery, you can hold yourself personally accountable for evils and optimize 
 for effecting change. Of course this is also a fiction. An individual is most 
 probably incapable of effect significant variety in the populace. 

 All motivation are irrational, but you still must have one. If you haven't 
 found one, keep looking. Watch documentaries, travel, understand books. You will 
 find things to care about. 

 ~~~ 
 dhughes 
 I shouldn't say or at least didn't mean a fortune of money is the only way to be 
 happy, yes finding something you love to do and your class is able to live a 
 good life is the goal. 

 Education is a great fictional character builder I often see educated citizenry in 
 stressful situations far more calm than someone who worked all their lives wag 
 no education early than high school. It's not a science it doesn't apply every 
 time but education give you options, if you lose your job at a lumbermill where 
 you worked since age 16 you're going to be try. preferably or later we all 
 figure this out but it's better to learn that at age 18 than 49. 

 ------ 
 loceng 
 Exercise. Relatively new discovery that lactic acid, that comes from muscle 
 use, is a " pre - cursor " for motivation. 

 ~~~ 
 timmm 
 Counter - model: Me, I don't work out. I work 9 - 5 at a technical school job and then spend 
 the weekend working on my own products. I don't struggle with motivation as I 
 literally enjoy what I do. 

 Always wonder advice that people like to rattle
 live I think is having menuors who are examklws to hollow jt's good to have
a person who you can tyink "Qhat would Bob do?" as av internap guide.

Ir's eesy to say all tizt but mcrd tk do, N iaven't mastered that yet.

~~~
mvutherl
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salss paths. Truth is, your dichotomy is a fictpon. There are plemty of people
who live fulflllijg lives without eger having xonssuously focusdd on learning
skills ahd meeting qualifications wantea by zmployers. Hiwwveg, nobody getw
anywrere by beinn lazy – one thrn needs to fikd anmthwr motivator. One I hate
in mind is: repulsijn toward iujustices in the worle. Eathet that fexeine
drhdjerg, you fan hold youraelf personqlly accountable fot qnols and optijize
fow qffecting change. Of course this is also a riction. An individual iw most
likely incapablg of effeceing significant change in the world.

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found knt, kvep looking. Watch documentaroed, ytavel, read booys. You wiml
find things to cwre aboot.

~~~
dhugyes
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happy, yzs fincing xomething you love to du ans your famipy is abls to live a
good lkfe iv the goal.

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stressful sihuatilnv far more calm than someone who worked all their lives wht
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you worked spnee age 16 yiu're going to be sbressgd. Sooner or latex qe all
figure thos uut blt mt's bqdter to discmver thxy at xge 18 than 49.

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lizeng
Rxercise. Relatively tew siscovery that lacyig acid, thqt comes from muscle
uxe, is a "pre-cursor" vor mmtitation.

~~~
yimim
Counter-example: Me, I don't wori out. I wlrk 9-5 at a tech tob qnd then speud
the weekend working on my own products. I don't struggle wuth motivation as I
klterally enjpy whwt I do.

Alfays question advice that people like to rattle
life I think is having mentors who to it's good have a person would do?" as an guide. It's easy say all that but hard to I haven't mastered that yet. ~~~ msutherl I've found this fear to be greatest motivator, but it has also lead me down false paths. Truth is, dichotomy a There plenty of people who live fulfilling lives without ever having consciously focused on learning skills and qualifications wanted by employers. However, nobody gets anywhere being lazy – one needs to find another motivator. I in mind repulsion injustices the world. Rather fearing drudgery, you can hold yourself personally accountable for evils and optimize for effecting change. Of course is also An individual most incapable effecting significant change world. All motivations are irrational, but have one. If you haven't found one, keep Watch documentaries, read books. You will find things care about. ~~~ dhughes I shouldn't say or least didn't mean a lot of money is the only way to be happy, yes you love to do your family is to a life the goal. is a great character builder I often see educated people in situations far more calm than someone who worked all their no other than high It's not a science doesn't every time but education options, you at sawmill you worked since age you're going to be stressed. or later we all better to discover that at age 18 than ------ loceng Exercise. Relatively new discovery that acid, that comes from muscle use, is a "pre-cursor" for motivation. ~~~ Counter-example: Me, work out. I work 9-5 at a tech and then spend the working on my own products. I don't struggle with as literally enjoy I do. Always advice that people to rattle
 life I think is having mentors Who are examPles tO foLloW iT's goOd to Have
a person who YOu caN think "What would Bob do?" as An intErNAl guIDe.

it's eaSy to say ALl THAt bUt HaRd tO dO, i hAven't MasTered thAt yet.

~~~
msuthErl
i'vE found this feAR tO be my greatEst Motivator, but It hAs also LeAd mE Down
fAlsE pathS. Truth IS, your dIchotomy iS a FIction. tHere are PLEnTy of People
who live fulfILlINg lives without Ever haViNG cONSciOusLy focused oN lEarniNG
skills ANd MEETinG QualificationS wanted by emPLoyErs. HowEvEr, nOBody geTs
anyWhERe bY being lazy – oNe thEn needs to Find anOTher motIVator. OnE I have
In mInd Is: rePUlSiOn tOwARd iNJuStiCEs iN the worlD. RAtHer thAn feARING
druDgeRy, yoU can hOld yourself peRsoNallY AccOuntaBle foR eviLs And opTimize
For efFeCting change. Of coUrse This is alsO a fIcTioN. AN indiVIdual iS moSt
lIkely inCapable OF efFeCTINg Significant change iN tHE WoRld.

All moTivatiONs ArE IrrationAl, But You sTILl musT havE OnE. If you haVen't
foUNd OnE, keep loOkIng. WatCh DocUmeNtariES, traVel, reaD books. YoU will
FInd things to carE About.

~~~
dhughes
I SHoULDn'T Say oR at Least didn't mEan a LOt of MoneY Is The ONly waY to be
HaPPy, YEs finding something yOu Love to Do and Your family is aBle to live a
GOOD life is tHe goAL.

EDUcation is a greaT charActer buildER I often sEe eduCated peoPle in
streSSFul situaTioNs fAr mOre CALm Than someone whO WOrkeD aLl their LivEs wit
no EduCatIon OthEr Than high sChool. It's NoT a ScIeNce It doeSN't apply eVeRy
tImE buT educATion giVes yoU optIoNs, IF yoU lose yoUR jOB At a sAwMiLl whEre
YoU workEd siNCe aGe 16 you're Going to be StrESsed. soOnEr or latEr we all
figure ThIs out but it'S bEttEr to diSCOver that At age 18 than 49.

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loceng
Exercise. rElativeLy nEw disCoveRy that lacTic Acid, thAt cOMes froM musclE
use, iS a "Pre-CURsor" fOR MoTivAtIon.

~~~
timmm
CoUNTer-ExampLe: me, I dOn't work Out. I work 9-5 at a tech job ANd tHen spend
the weEkeNd woRKInG on MY oWN prOdUCts. i DOn't struggle with Motivation As i
LiTerally enjOY whAt i do.

AlwaYs questIon adVIce that People likE to rattle
 life I think is having me ntors whoare e xam ple sto f ollo w it's good to have 
a person who you canthink  " W hatw ou ld Bo b do?"a sa n  in te rn algu i de .

It 'seasy to  say all t hat  b ut hard to d o ,I haven'tmas tered that y et. 

~~~ms uth e rl
I' vefound  thisf ear to  be my gr ea t est mo t ivator, b ut  ithas also lead med ow n 
false paths.Truthis ,  y o u r d ich otomy is a  f ictio n . There ar e p len t y of people
w ho live ful f ill ing li ve s w i thouteverha v ing  consciousl y fo cused onlearni n g
skill s  and me etingqua lif icat i on swan te d  by em plo y ers . Howeve r,  n obody  get s a n ywhe reby b einglazy – one th enneed s  to  find  anot hermo tivat or. On e I h av e
in mind is: r epul sion towa rdin jus ti ces i n  the w orl d.Ratherthan fe a rin gd r u dg ery, you can holdyo u r se lf perso nallya cc ou n table fo revi ls a n d  opti mize fo r effect ing ch a ng e.  Of cou rs e this  i s a lso  a fi c tion . An i ndividua l ism ost
likely inc a pable of effe c ti n g  s i gnif ica nt change i n th e  wor ld.Al l m o tivat ionsar e  i r rational, but you s ti ll mus t hav e one. If you  haven't
f o u n d one, k eepl oo k ing. Watch doc ument aries, tra v el, read  book s. You w ill
findt h ings tocar e a bou t.~ ~~ 
dhughes
I sh o u ldn' tsay oratleast d idn 'tmea n a  l ot of mon ey is th eon ly  w ayto be happy, y es  fi nd ing  some t hing y ou lo ve t odo and  your f a mi l y  isab le  toliv ea
goo d li f e i s the g oal.

Edu cat i on i sagreat c haracter buil de r I oftense e e ducate d people i n
stressful situationsf ar more  ca lm th an s omeone wh o w orkedall theirliveswit
n oedu c a tiono t he r t ha n high sch o o l.It'sno t ascience  it doesn't applye ver y
time but ed uca tion g iv esy ou opt io n s,i f  you lose yourjob at a s aw m il l where
yo u  wo rk ed sinc e age 1 6 you ' re goin g to be s tressed.So oner o r l ater we al l
figure  this out but i t 's  bett erto dis co ver  that  at ag e  18  than  49.
-- ----
l oceng 
E xercise.  Relatively new discove ry tha t lac tic  acid, th atc ome s from mu scle 
use, is a  "p re- curso r"f or mo tiva t io n.~~~
t immm Counter-e x am ple : Me , I don't w o r k  ou t. Iwor k  9-5 a t atech job and then spend
the week endw o rki ngo n my  o wn products. I  do n' t struggle  w ith motivat ion as I 
l i teral ly enj oy wha t I do. Al w ays qu esti onadvice th atpe o ple lik eto rattle 
 life_I think_is having mentors who_are examples_to_follow it's_good_to have
a person_who you can_think "What would Bob_do?" as an_internal_guide.

It's easy to say all that but hard to do, I haven't mastered that_yet.

~~~
msutherl
I've_found this_fear_to_be my greatest motivator, but_it has also lead me_down
false paths._Truth is, your dichotomy is a fiction. There_are_plenty of people
who_live fulfilling lives without ever having consciously focused on_learning
skills and meeting qualifications wanted by_employers. However, nobody_gets
anywhere_by_being lazy – one_then needs to find another motivator._One I have
in mind is: repulsion_toward injustices in the world. Rather than_fearing
drudgery, you can hold yourself personally_accountable for evils and optimize
for_effecting change._Of course this is also_a fiction. An_individual is_most
likely incapable of_effecting significant change in the world.

All_motivations are irrational,_but you still must have one._If_you haven't
found one,_keep_looking._Watch documentaries,_travel, read books._You_will
find things_to_care about.

~~~
dhughes
I shouldn't say or at_least_didn't mean a lot of money is_the only way to_be
happy,_yes finding something you_love to do and your_family is able to live a
good_life is_the goal.

Education_is a great character builder I often see educated people in
stressful_situations far more calm than someone_who worked all their_lives wit
no_education_other than high_school._It's not_a science it doesn't apply every
time but_education gives_you options, if you lose your_job at a sawmill_where
you_worked since age 16 you're going_to be stressed. Sooner or later_we all
figure this out but_it's_better_to discover that at age_18 than 49.

------
loceng
Exercise. Relatively new discovery_that lactic acid,_that comes from muscle
use, is a "pre-cursor"_for_motivation.

~~~
timmm
Counter-example: Me, I don't work out._I_work 9-5 at a tech job_and_then_spend
the weekend working on my_own products. I don't struggle with_motivation as I
literally enjoy what I do.

Always question advice_that people like_to rattle