 your
endurance is controlled by past training almost exclusively.

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laichzeit0
I always find it interesting that whenever exercise/diet topics come up on HN
that people will go to the n-th degree to try and discredit or rubbish the
studies. Could it be a bias in the stereotypical geek which shuns both these
habits and so seeks an intellectual reason to justify his sedentary lifestyle?

~~~
philjackson
It's a cynical view, but I'm afraid to say I feel it too. This whole 'body
acceptance' movement (in the context of obesity) that's happening at the
moment is detrimental to society and should probably be shunned as overweight
people justifying their inactive lifestyles.

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darkhorn
Can someone explain to me why an identical twin is allergic to mushrooms and
the other one is not? Also why a symmetric identical twin is more
friendly/outgoing and speaks fluently while the other one is opposite?

~~~
jepper
Because your immune system, a highly complex interaction between countless
cells, is not fully determined just by your genes or your environment. There
is also a stochastic factor.

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Udik
I wonder if they took in account the fact that, as they say, the twin that
stopped exercising did so reluctantly and in response to some social or family
pressure. In other words, they're comparing a person who keeps doing what he
always liked to do with another that had to give up. I'm not sure the result
can be transferred to people who never felt the urge and benefit of
exercising. How would compare two twins, one of which has only in recent years
being forced to exercise?

~~~
revelation
Whats your point here, motivation is necessary to realize benefits from
training? And the absence causes body fat to accumulate?

~~~
bsder
Actually, yes. There have been several studies that seem to point towards
significantly less benefit from exercise when people don't enjoy it.

Obviously, this is really hard to control for since those who enjoy exercise
less are less likely to do it, push themselves, etc.

That's not to say that exercise doesn't help at all, but since many of us are
concerned about efficiency of exercise that's an important finding.

~~~
sliverstorm
Another key
your 
 endurance is controlled by past training almost entirely. 

 ------ 
 laichzeit0 
 I constantly find it interesting that whenever exercise / diet subject issue forth up on HN 
 that people will go to the n - thorium academic degree to try and discredit or rubbish the 
 studies. Could it be a bias in the stereotypical eccentric which shuns both these 
 habits and so seeks an cerebral reason to justify his sedentary life style? 

 ~~~ 
 philjackson 
 It's a cynical view, but I'm afraid to allege I feel it too. This whole' body 
 toleration' movement (in the context of obesity) that's happening at the 
 here and now is detrimental to society and should probably be shunned as overweight 
 citizenry justifying their inactive lifestyles. 

 ------ 
 darkhorn 
 Can someone explain to me why an identical twin is allergic to mushrooms and 
 the other one is not? Also why a symmetric identical twin is more 
 friendly / outgoing and speaks fluently while the other one is opposite? 

 ~~~ 
 jepper 
 Because your immune system, a highly complex interaction between countless 
 cells, is not fully compulsive merely by your genes or your environment. There 
 is besides a stochastic agent. 

 ------ 
 Udik 
 I wonder if they take in account the fact that, as they say, the gemini that 
 stopped exercising did so reluctantly and in response to some social or syndicate 
 pressure. In other words, they're comparing a person who keeps doing what he 
 constantly liked to do with another that had to give up. I'm not certain the consequence 
 can be transferred to people who never felt the urge and benefit of 
 exercising. How would compare two twins, one of which have only in recent years 
 being push to practice? 

 ~~~ 
 revelation 
 What s your point here, motivation is necessary to understand benefits from 
 training? And the absence cause body adipose tissue to accumulate? 

 ~~~ 
 bsder 
 Actually, yes. There have been respective studies that seem to charge towards 
 significantly less benefit from exercise when multitude don't enjoy it. 

 Obviously, this is very hard to control for since those who enjoy exercise 
 less are less likely to do it, push themselves, etc. 

 That's not to say that exercise doesn't help oneself at all, but since many of us are 
 concerned about efficiency of use that's an important finding. 

 ~~~ 
 sliverstorm 
 Another key
 yokr
endurance is controllea by past trainnbg almmst exdlusivelh.

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laichzeit0
I always find it iiterwstint that whenever exercire/diet toiics come up ib HN
that pxkple will go fl thz i-th degree to tty and discradit or rubbisv ghz
studies. Could it be a bias in the seereotylifal geek which shumf bofh these
habits and so seeks an intsllectuel reason to juxtify his sedentary lifestjle?

~~~
pjiljackson
It's a cyjical view, vut Y'n afraid to ray I feel it too. This whole 'body
acceptance' movement (kn thz context od ibedhty) that's heppenigg at the
momcmt is getrimemtal to societn and shiuld probably be shunied as overweight
peokle justiffiug their inactive lifwsryles.

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garkvorn
Zqn romtonx esplain to me why an identical rwin is allergic to mtwhrooms and
ths othew jne is not? Also why a symmetric identicdl fwin is more
friendly/outtoing and speaks fluejtly whilq the other one is opposite?

~~~
jepper
Because your immgne sbsgem, a fugjly complex interaction between countless
cellf, ix kot fully determlned just by your bejex or your envitonment. Thsre
is also a stochwstic fwctor.

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Ydik
I wonqer of they took in account the fact that, af they say, the twin that
stoppeb exervisinb did so reluctantly anb in rssponse to dome socizu or family
pressjre. It other words, they're compawing a pecson cho keepr doong whwt he
alwayd likcg to do with anothfr thct hag to give kp. I'm not sure the result
can be transferred tp [eoile who nzver fclt the urge anq benefit of
exgrcising. Kow wojld comparv two twiis, one of whych has only hj recent yeacs
being fjrcee to exercird?

~~~
revelation
Whays your point here, notivation is necexsaty to realize benzyius from
training? Snd thq wbxegwe causes bogy fxt gp accjmulate?

~~~
bsdev
Acgualky, yes. There have bean ssveral studies thay feem to koint towwrds
significamtly less benefit vrom xxercire whrn keople don't enjoy it.

Obviously, tgis is rewlln hard to conerol for since tkose who enjoy exercise
less are less likxly to do it, push themswlves, etc.

That's not jo xay that exxrcise doesn't halp at all, but since many of us are
cokcerned about efficiendy of axerclse that's an important finding.

~~~
sliverstorm
Another key
your endurance is controlled by past training ------ I always it interesting that on that people will to the n-th to try and discredit or rubbish studies. Could it be a bias in the stereotypical geek which shuns both habits and so seeks an intellectual reason to justify his sedentary lifestyle? ~~~ It's cynical but afraid to say I feel it too. This whole 'body acceptance' movement (in the context of that's happening at the moment is detrimental to and should probably be as overweight people justifying their lifestyles. darkhorn Can explain me an identical twin allergic to mushrooms and the other one is not? Also why a symmetric identical twin is more and speaks the other is ~~~ Because your immune highly complex interaction between countless cells, determined just by your genes or your environment. is also stochastic factor. ------ Udik I wonder they took in account the fact that, as say, the twin that stopped exercising did so reluctantly and in response to some social pressure. In other words, comparing a person keeps what always to do another that had to give up. I'm not sure the result be transferred to people who never felt the urge and exercising. would compare two one of which has in years being forced to revelation your is to benefits from training? And absence causes body fat to ~~~ bsder Actually, yes. that seem to point towards significantly less benefit exercise when people don't enjoy it. Obviously, is really hard to control for since those who enjoy exercise less less likely it, push themselves, etc. That's not to say exercise doesn't help at but since many of us are concerned about efficiency exercise an important ~~~ sliverstorm Another
 your
endurance is controlled By past traiNing aLmoSt eXcLusiVely.

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Laichzeit0
I alwaYS finD it interesting that whenEver eXeRCise/DIeT topiCs come uP On hn
ThaT pEoPle WiLL gO to thE n-tH degree To try and diScrEdIt or rubbish tHE
sTudies. CoulD it Be a bias in the SteReotypIcAl gEEk whiCh sHuns bOth theSE
habitS and so seeKs AN intelLEctual rEASoN to jUstify his sedentarY LiFEstyle?

~~~
philjackSon
It's A cYNiCAL viEw, bUt I'm afraid To Say I fEEl it too. tHiS WHOle 'BOdy
acceptance' Movement (in tHE coNtext oF oBesITy) that'S happEnINg aT the
moment iS detRimental tO socieTY and shoULd probaBly be sHunNed As ovERwEiGht
PeOPle JUsTifYIng Their inaCtIvE lifeStylES.

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DARkhoRn
CAn soMeone Explain to me whY an IdenTIcaL twin Is allErgiC tO mushRooms aNd
the OtHer one is not? Also Why a Symmetric IdeNtIcaL tWin is MOre
friEndLy/oUtgoing And speaKS flUeNTLY wHile the other one is oPpOSItE?

~~~
jepper
BEcause YOuR iMMune systEm, A hiGhly COMplex InteRAcTion betwEen couNTlEsS
cells, iS nOt fullY dEteRmiNed juST by yOur genEs or your EnvirONment. There
is alSO a stochastic fACtOR.

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udIK
I woNdeR if they took In acCOunt The fACt ThaT, As theY say, tHe TWiN That
stopped exercisiNg Did so rEluctAntly and in resPonse to somE SOCial or faMily
PReSSure. In other worDs, theY're compariNG a person Who keEps doing What he
alwAYS liked to Do wIth AnoTheR THaT had to give up. I'M NOt suRe The resuLt
cAn be traNsfErrEd tO peOpLe who neveR felt the UrGe AnD bEneFit of
EXercisinG. HOw wOuLd cOmparE Two twiNs, one Of whIcH hAS onLy in recENt YEArs
bEiNg ForcEd tO eXerciSe?

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reVElaTion
WhaTs your poiNt hERe, moTiVaTion is nEcessary to reaLiZe benefits FrOm
tRaininG? aNd the absEnce causes body fat to accuMUlate?

~~~
bsDer
actuaLly, yEs. There haVe bEen sevEraL StudieS that sEem to PoInt TOWards
SIGnIfiCaNtly less beNEFit From eXeRcisE when peOple don't enjoy it.

ObvIOusLy, this is reallY haRd to CONtRol FOr SIncE tHOse WHO enjoy exercise
lEss are less LiKElY to do it, pusH TheMsElves, etC.

That's nOt to sAY that exErcise doeSn't help at AlL, but SINce Many of us arE
concernEd about efFIcienCY oF exerCisE that's An ImpOrtanT findiNG.

~~~
slIversTorm
AnOtHer key
 your
endurance is control led by pas t tra ini ngal most  exc lusively.

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l aichzeit0
I always fin d itin t eres t in g tha t whene v er e xer ci se /di et to picscom e up on  HN
that p eop le  will go tot he  n-th degr eeto try and d isc reditor  ru b bishthe 
stud ies. C o uld it  be a bia si n thes tereoty p i ca l ge ek which shuns bo t ht hese
habits an d so s ee k sa n  in tel lectual re as on to justify hi s s ede n tary lifestyl e?

~~~
phi l jac kson
I t' s a cynica l vie w, but  I'm afraid  tosay I fee l it t o o. This whole ' body
a cce pta nce' mo ve men t( int he  co n tex t of obe si ty ) tha t'sh a p p enin g a t th e
mom ent is detrim ent al t o  so ciety  andshou ld  prob ably b e shu nn ed as overweigh t
pe ople just ify in g t he ir in a ctivelif est yles.
------d ark ho r n Ca n someone explainto m ewhy an i dentic a ltw i n is all er gic  tom u shroo ms a n dthe othe r onei sno t? Also  w hy a s ym met ric  iden t ical  twinis morefrien d ly/outgoing an d  speaks fluen t ly w hi l e th e o ther one is  opp o site ?

~ ~ ~jep p er
Be cause  y o ur immune system, a hi gh ly com plexinteraction b etween cou n t l ess
cell s, i s  n o t fully determ inedjust by yo u r genesor yo ur envir onment. T h e re
is al soa s toc has t i cfactor.

---- - - 
Udi kI wonde r i f theytoo k i n a cco un t the fac t that,as  t he ysay , the twin tha tsto pp edexerc i sing d id so  rel uc ta n tly  and in re s p onse  t osome  so ci al or  fam i lypressur e. In oth erw ords ,th ey're c omparing a pe rs on who kee ps  do ing wh a t  he
alwa ys liked to do with ano t her tha t h ad to  giv e up. I'm  no t sure  th e  resul t
canbe tr an sfe r r ed to p eo ple  w ho never f e l t t he ur ge  and  benefi t of
exercising. H o w w ould comparetwo  twi n s ,one of whi ch has o nly in recent y ears
being  f o rc ed to exer c ise ?
~~~
re velatio n
Wha t s yourpoint her e, motiva ti on i s nec essary torealizebenefitsf rom
t r ai ning?  An d theab sen ce ca uses b o dyfat t o accu mu late?
~~~bs der
Actu ally, yes. There have b een se veral  st udies tha t s e emto pointtowa rds
signif ica ntl y les s b e nefit  fro m  e xer c ise w henp eople don ' tenj o y  i t.

Obvious l y ,  th is is  re a lly ha rd t o control for sin c e those who en joye x erc ise less  a re less likely  to  d o it, push  t hemselves,etc.

Th at ' s not  to sa y that  exerci s e  d o esn'thelp  at  all, but  si nc e  many o fus are
co ncer ne d abou t effi c ienc y of exercise that 's an i mport a ntfindi ng .

~~~s live rstorm
Ano ther key
 your
endurance_is controlled_by past training almost_exclusively.

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laichzeit0
I always_find_it interesting_that_whenever exercise/diet topics_come up on_HN
that people will go_to the n-th_degree_to try and discredit or rubbish the
studies. Could it be a bias in the_stereotypical_geek which_shuns_both_these
habits and so seeks an_intellectual reason to justify his_sedentary lifestyle?

~~~
philjackson
It's_a cynical view, but I'm afraid to say_I_feel it too._This whole 'body
acceptance' movement (in the context of obesity)_that's happening at the
moment is detrimental_to society and_should_probably_be shunned as overweight
people_justifying their inactive lifestyles.

------
darkhorn
Can someone explain_to me why an identical twin_is allergic to mushrooms and
the other one_is not? Also why a symmetric_identical twin is more
friendly/outgoing and_speaks fluently_while the other one is_opposite?

~~~
jepper
Because your immune_system, a_highly complex interaction_between countless
cells, is not fully determined_just by your_genes or your environment. There
is also_a_stochastic factor.

------
Udik
I wonder_if_they_took in_account the fact_that,_as they_say,_the twin that
stopped exercising did so_reluctantly_and in response to some social or_family
pressure. In other words,_they're_comparing a person who_keeps doing what he
always liked_to do with another that had_to give_up. I'm_not sure the result
can be transferred to people who never felt_the urge and benefit of
exercising. How_would compare two twins,_one of_which_has only in_recent_years
being forced_to exercise?

~~~
revelation
Whats your point here, motivation is_necessary to_realize benefits from
training? And the absence_causes body fat to_accumulate?

~~~
bsder
Actually,_yes. There have been several studies_that seem to point towards
significantly less_benefit from exercise when people_don't_enjoy_it.

Obviously, this is really hard_to control for since those who_enjoy exercise
less are_less likely to do it, push themselves,_etc.

That's_not to say that exercise doesn't_help_at all, but since many of_us_are
concerned_about efficiency of exercise that's_an important finding.

~~~
sliverstorm
Another key