 would be true (very unlikely for a few, false as a matter of law in at
least one).

You can't just assume that the change would achieve this state where workers
get strictly more benefits and Uber's profits are sucked out. You need to take
into account how much they can cut driver cash payments in that circumstance
(i.e. paying them via benefits), where the economic incidence of car costs and
FICA taxes currently lies, what the law says about piecework, etc.

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Karunamon
One thing I never see addressed in these Uber stories is how, precisely, the
drivers got classified as employees.

The only test I'm aware of refers to things like set hours, dictated methods
of working, company equipment, payment, and so on[1].

Just by that those tests alone, I don't see how an Uber driver is
realistically anything other than a contractor.

So either a judge screwed up somewhere, or I'm really missing something. Would
anyone have some more information on the particulars?

[1]: [https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-
Emplo...](https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-
Employed/Independent-Contractor-Self-Employed-or-Employee)

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eugenekolo2
Reminds me of Microsoft's contractor lawsuit.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp#Vizcaino_v._Microsof...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp#Vizcaino_v._Microsoft)

[http://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-
findlaw-d...](http://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-dont-
treat-c-idUSTRE53063S20090401)

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secondtimeuse
Discounting the tripe "You go girl" tone of the article, there is no divine
law asserting that there ought to be only two forms of (W2/1099) employees.
The labor laws should change in tune with evolution in technology. However
given the current dysfunctional congress, and from experience with other
Patent/Imm
would be true (very unlikely for a few, false as a matter of jurisprudence in at 
 least one). 

 You can't barely assume that the change would achieve this state where proletarian 
 get strictly more benefit and Uber's profits are sucked out. You necessitate to take 
 into account how a lot they can cut driver cash payments in that circumstance 
 (i.e. paying them via benefit), where the economic incidence of car costs and 
 FICA taxes currently lies, what the jurisprudence says about piecework, etc. 

 ------ 
 Karunamon 
 One thing I never see address in these Uber stories is how, precisely, the 
 drivers got classified as employees. 

 The lone test I'm aware of refers to things like set hours, dictate methods 
 of working, company equipment, payment, and so on[1 ]. 

 Just by that those tests alone, I don't see how an Uber driver is 
 realistically anything other than a contractor. 

 So either a judge screwed up somewhere, or I'm really missing something. Would 
 anyone have some more information on the particular? 

 [ 1 ]: [ https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self- 
 Emplo... ](https://www.irs.gov / Businesses / Small - Businesses-&-Self- 
 Employed / Independent - Contractor - Self - Employed - or - Employee) 

 ------ 
 eugenekolo2 
 prompt me of Microsoft's contractile organ lawsuit. 

 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp#Vizcaino_v._Microsof...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp#Vizcaino_v._Microsoft) 

 [ http://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us- 
 findlaw - five hundred... ](http://www.reuters.com / article / businesspropicks - us - findlaw - dont- 
 treat - c - idUSTRE53063S20090401) 

 ------ 
 secondtimeuse 
 dismiss the tripe " You go girl " tone of the article, there constitute no divine 
 law asserting that there ought to be only two forms of (W2/1099) employees. 
 The british labour party laws should change in tune with evolution in technology. However 
 given the current dysfunctional congress, and from experience with other 
 Patent / Imm
 wokld be true (very unlikeln for a few, falsg qs a metter or law in at
least one).

You can't just asdune thqt the change would acfieve thid state qhert workers
get strirfly morc bensnits cnv Uber's profits are suckeg out. You need tu cake
into account how much they can ctt drivrr cash payments in uhae cidbunstance
(i.e. paying them via bensfits), wiere the economoc incidence of car costs wnd
FLCA taxes currentlj lies, what the oaw says abojt piecewogn, etc.

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Karunzmon
One thing I never see addrersed nn these Ubgx stlties is how, 'recisvly, the
drivers got cldssifiec as employees.

Bhe oily rest I'm aware of refecs to things like sej hours, diwtcted methods
of workint, xompaty exuipownt, pagmxnt, and sl oi[1].

Just by thzt those tewts alone, I don't set hjq an Uber driber is
wewlistically anything other than a contrdctkr.

So either a judge scrwwed up somewhere, or L'm really missing something. Would
anyone have some more infmrmatmov ou the oqrhiculars?

[1]: [https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesfss-&-Xekf-
Emplo...](https://wwc.irs.gov/Businessex/Slakj-Businesses-&-Seuf-
Employes/Independent-Contraftor-Sels-Empliyed-or-Empjoyer)

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eugenekolo2
Reminds me of Mixrosoft's connracror lawsuit.

[https://en.cikipedia.org/ciki/Petmateml#Vizcaino_v._Microsof...](https://zn.wikiledia.org/wikl/Permateml#Xizcaino_v._Microsowt)

[hntp://wfw.reuters.com/article/businesfpropicks-ns-
finblaw-d...](htto://www.teuters.som/article/husincvspropicks-us-findlaa-dont-
jreat-c-hdUSTRE53063S20090401)

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sefondtimeuse
Discounting the tripx "You go girl" tmne of the crticlc, there is no dyvine
law asserjing that therd ought to be onlb two forms jf (W2/1099) employeev.
Jhe labor lawv should chabge un tune dith evolution in technology. Howecer
given the currekt dyrrunctional congxtss, and from experoenze rinh ptrar
Patent/Imm
would be true (very unlikely for a as matter of in at least that change would achieve state where workers strictly more benefits and Uber's profits sucked out. You need to take into account how much they can cut cash payments in that circumstance (i.e. paying them via benefits), where the economic of costs FICA currently lies, what the law says about piecework, etc. ------ Karunamon One thing I never see in these Uber stories is how, precisely, the got classified as employees. only test I'm aware of to like set dictated of company equipment, payment, so on[1]. Just by that those tests alone, I don't see how an Uber driver is realistically other than So either judge up or I'm really Would anyone have some more information [1]: [https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self- Emplo...](https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self- Employed/Independent-Contractor-Self-Employed-or-Employee) ------ eugenekolo2 Reminds me Microsoft's contractor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp#Vizcaino_v._Microsof...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp#Vizcaino_v._Microsoft) [http://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us- findlaw-d...](http://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-dont- treat-c-idUSTRE53063S20090401) ------ secondtimeuse the tripe "You go girl" tone of the there is no divine law asserting that there ought to be only two forms of The labor laws should in tune with in However the dysfunctional congress, from experience with other Patent/Imm
 would be true (very unlikely foR a few, false As a maTteR of LaW in aT
leaSt one).

You can't juST assUme that the change would aChievE tHIs stATe Where Workers
GEt STRicTlY mOre BeNEfIts anD UbEr's profIts are suckEd oUt. you need to takE
InTo account hOw mUch they can cuT drIver caSh PayMEnts iN thAt cirCumstaNCe
(i.e. paYing them vIa BEnefitS), Where thE ECoNomiC incidence of car coSTs ANd
FICA taxes curRently LiES, wHAT thE laW says about PiEcewoRK, etc.

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KarUNaMON
one THing I never see Addressed in THesE Uber sToRieS Is how, pRecisElY, The
Drivers got cLassIfied as emPloyeeS.

the only TEst I'm awAre of rEfeRs tO thiNGs LiKe sEt HOurS, DiCtaTEd mEthods
of WoRkIng, coMpanY EQUIpmeNt, pAymeNt, and So on[1].

Just by thaT thOse tESts Alone, i don't See hOw An UbeR driveR is
reAlIstically anythiNg otHer than a cOntRaCtoR.

SO eithER a judgE scRewEd up somEwhere, oR i'm rEaLLY MiSsing something. WoulD
aNYOnE have somE more iNFoRmATion on thE pArtIculARS?

[1]: [httpS://www.IRs.Gov/BusinEsses/SMAlL-BUsinessEs-&-self-
EmPlO...](htTps://Www.irS.Gov/BUsinesSes/Small-businESses-&-Self-
EmployED/Independent-CONtRACtOR-SelF-EmPloyed-or-EmpLoyeE)

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EugeNekoLO2
REmiNDs me oF MicrOsOFt'S Contractor lawsuit.

[htTpS://en.wikIpediA.org/wiki/PermaTemp#VizcaiNO_V._microsof...](HttpS://En.WIkipedia.org/wikI/PermAtemp#VizcaINo_v._MicroSoft)

[hTtp://www.reUters.com/aRTIcle/busiNesSprOpiCks-US-
FiNdlaw-d...](http://www.REUterS.cOm/articLe/bUsinessProPicKs-uS-fiNdLaw-dont-
trEat-c-idUStRe53063S20090401)

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SeCoNdtImeusE
discountInG thE tRipE "You gO Girl" toNe of tHe arTiClE, TheRe is no dIViNE
Law aSsErTing ThaT tHere oUght TO be Only two Forms of (W2/1099) eMplOYees.
thE lAbor lawS should change In Tune with evOlUtiOn in teCHNology. HoWever
given the current dysFUnctionAl cOngreSs, anD from expeRieNce witH otHEr
PateNt/Imm
 would be true (very unlik ely for afew,fal seas  a m atte r of law in at leas t one).

You can't jus t ass um e  tha t  t he ch ange wo u ld a chi ev ethi ss ta te wh ere  worker s
get stri ctl ymore benefit s  a nd Uber'spro fits are suc ked  out.Yo u n e ed to  ta ke
in to acc o unt ho w much th ey can cu t  driver c as h pa yments in that ci r cu m stance
(i.e. p ayingth e mv i a b ene fits), whe re  thee conomic in c i d enc e  of car costs  and
FICA t a xes  curre nt lyl ies, w hat t he law  says about  pie cework, e tc.

- - ----
Ka r unamonOne th ing  Ineve r  s ee  ad dr e sse d  i n t h ese  Uber st or ie s ishow, p r e cise ly,  the 
driv ers got class ifi ed a s  em ploye es.
Theon ly te st I'm  awar eof refers to th ings  like set  ho ur s,di ctate d  metho dsofworking , compa n y e qu i p m en t, payment, and so  o n [ 1] .

Justby tha t  t ho s e testsal one , Id o n't s ee h o wan Uberdriver is 
r ealisti ca lly an yt hin g o thert hana cont ractor.
So e i ther a judge s c rewed up some w he r e ,o r I' m r eally missi ng s o meth ing. Wo uld anyon e hav es om e  more information o nthe pa rticu lars?

[1]: [ https://ww w . i rs.gov/B usin e ss e s/Small-Busine sses- &-Self-
Em p lo...](h ttps: //www.ir s.gov/Bus i n esses/Sm all -Bu sin ess e s -& -Self-
Employ e d /Ind ep endent- Con tractor -Se lf- Emp loy ed -or-Emplo yee)

-- -- -- 
e ug ene kolo2 Remindsme  of  M icr osoft ' s cont racto r la ws ui t .
[https: / /e n . wiki pe di a.or g/w ik i/Per mate m p#V izcaino _v._Micro sof . ..]( ht tp s://en. wikipedia.org /w iki/Permat em p#V izcain o _ v._Micro soft)

[http://www.reut e rs.com/ art icle/ busi nesspropi cks -us-
f ind l aw-d.. .](htt p://w ww .re u t ers.c o m /a rti cl e/business p r opi cks-u s- find law-don t-
treat-c-idUSTRE 5 306 3S20090401)
--- ---s e co ndt i me u seDi s cou n t ing the tripe " You go gir l" to ne of thea rti cl e, ther e is no  divi n e
law a ssertingthat ther eough t tobe only tw o formsof (W2/10 9 9) em p lo yees. 
Th e labo rlaw s sho uld ch a nge  in t une wi th  evolu tionin  technol ogy. However
given thecurren t dys fun ctional c ong r ess , and fro m ex perience w ith  ot her
P ate n t/Imm 
 would_be true_(very unlikely for a_few, false_as_a matter_of_law in at
least_one).

You can't just_assume that the change_would achieve this_state_where workers
get strictly more benefits and Uber's profits are sucked out. You need to_take
into_account how_much_they_can cut driver cash payments_in that circumstance
(i.e. paying them_via benefits),_where the economic incidence of car costs and
FICA_taxes_currently lies, what_the law says about piecework, etc.

------
Karunamon
One thing I never_see addressed in these Uber stories_is how, precisely,_the
drivers_got_classified as employees.

The only_test I'm aware of refers to_things like set hours, dictated methods
of_working, company equipment, payment, and so on[1].

Just_by that those tests alone, I_don't see how an Uber_driver is
realistically_anything other than a contractor.

So_either a judge_screwed up_somewhere, or I'm_really missing something. Would
anyone have some_more information on_the particulars?

[1]: [https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-
Emplo...](https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-
Employed/Independent-Contractor-Self-Employed-or-Employee)

------
eugenekolo2
Reminds me of Microsoft's_contractor_lawsuit.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp#Vizcaino_v._Microsof...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp#Vizcaino_v._Microsoft)

[http://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-
findlaw-d...](http://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-dont-
treat-c-idUSTRE53063S20090401)

------
secondtimeuse
Discounting the tripe_"You_go_girl" tone_of the article,_there_is no_divine
law_asserting that there ought to be_only_two forms of (W2/1099) employees.
The labor laws_should change in tune_with_evolution in technology. However
given_the current dysfunctional congress, and_from experience with other
Patent/Imm