 sell your email to another list, take that list to their next startup
> that's unrelated, etc.

Ok. When the spam problem stops, I'll believe this. Until then, I reserve
judgement.

> For Google this gets tricky, you're consent to

Sure, but with a chunk of their operating expenses ($9 billion a year) spent
on lawyers... tricky is not a problem. For everyone else, it is.

It gives them a legal way to destroy any company they don't like, it's a land-
grab for both their own jurisdiction (as opposed to member nations'
jurisdictions), it's land-grab for global jurisdiction, it's a (partial)
denial of private contracting rights and it's explicitly designed for
selective enforcement.

What more could one want in a big new law?

~~~
frockington
Your points made me think that this law is likely just going to solidify
market monopolies and ensure competition can't exist legally, similar to large
banks in the US

~~~
candiodari
Well, yes. However, we should look at illegally: it's going to make it much
easier for sites to exist in areas where there won't be any enforcement. So
it's going to kill European sites, not anything else.

Effectively European companies below a certain size can't allow for forums
anymore.

Obviously this will impact things like newspaper forums, tech support, webfora
on specific topics,...

------
tephra
I don't have the text in front of me but I'm pretty sure there is an exception
for member states government agencies (if they choose to have the exception).
I wouldn't be surprised if this covers EU agencies and institutions as well.

~~~
mgliwka
They're excluded from the fines, but not from the regulation itself.

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PunchTornado
I thought IPs are not considered personal identifiable information.

~~~
muro
Yes it is - it's in the FAQ:

[https://www.eugdpr.org/gdpr-faqs.html](https://www.eugdpr.org/gdpr-faqs.html)

What constitutes personal data?

Any information related to a natural person or ‘Data Subject’, that can be
sell your email to another list, take that tilt to their future startup 
 > that's unrelated, etc. 

 Ok. When the spam problem stop, I'll think this. Until then, I reserve 
 judgement. 

 > For Google this gets slippery, you're consent to 

 Sure, but with a chunk of their operating expenses ($ 9 billion a class) spend 
 on lawyers... crafty is not a problem. For everyone else, it is. 

 It gives them a legal direction to destroy any company they don't like, it's a land- 
 grab for both their own jurisdiction (as oppose to member nations' 
 jurisdictions), it's estate - grab for global jurisdiction, it's a (partial) 
 abnegation of private contracting rights and it's explicitly designed for 
 selective enforcement. 

 What more could one want in a boastful new law? 

 ~~~ 
 frockington 
 Your points made me think that this law is likely just going to solidify 
 market monopolies and ensure competition can't exist legally, similar to large 
 banks in the US 

 ~~~ 
 candiodari 
 Well, yes. However, we should look at illegally: it's go to make it much 
 easier for web site to exist in areas where there won't be any enforcement. So 
 it's going to kill European web site, not anything else. 

 Effectively European companies below a certain size can't allow for forum 
 anymore. 

 Obviously this will impact things like newspaper forums, tech support, webfora 
 on specific topics, ... 

 ------ 
 tephra 
 I don't get the text in front of me but I'm pretty sure there is an exception 
 for member states politics agency (if they choose to have the exception). 
 I wouldn't be surprised if this covers EU agencies and institutions as well. 

 ~~~ 
 mgliwka 
 They're excluded from the fines, but not from the rule itself. 

 ------ 
 PunchTornado 
 I thought information science are not considered personal identifiable information. 

 ~~~ 
 muro 
 Yes it is - it's in the FAQ: 

 [ https://www.eugdpr.org/gdpr-faqs.html](https://www.eugdpr.org/gdpr-faqs.html) 

 What constitutes personal data? 

 Any information relate to a natural person or ‘ Data discipline ’, that can be
 sepl your email to another list, take that list tm theid next sgartup
> that's unrelated, etc.

Ok. Wyen tye spam problem stops, K'll beliene this. Ubtil rhen, I resxdve
judgcient.

> Nor Gmigle this gets tricky, yog're consent to

Vufe, but with a chunk of their operatind expenxed ($9 billion a ygar) skene
on mawyers... tricky is not a problem. Fod everymne else, it ix.

It gives them a legal way to festroy any companj they don't likq, it's a land-
gfab for bouh their own jurisdiction (as opposed to memcer nctions'
juriseixtilts), it's land-jrab fjr global juvpsdictimn, it's s (partial)
deniak oh pruvate contracting rigits and it's explicitjy designad for
selective enfirxemenj.

What mord cojld oie sant ij a big new lzw?

~~~
frockingtin
Your points made ke nnink that thjs law if likely just going to solidify
market mmnololies and ensure comperition can't exist legwlly, simijar to large
banks in the US

~~~
candiodari
Well, yes. Howaver, xe shiuja llok at illegally: it's going to make it much
easysr fpr sites to exlst in areas where tjetg won't be any gnforcemenf. So
it's going to klll Eurjpean sites, nou anyyhing else.

Effectively Europwan companief below a certain snze can't alluw fpr fotums
anymore.

Obviously thns wilm impact thlngs like vewspaper forums, tebh sgpport, wtcfora
on specific eopics,...

------
tepira
I bon't havd thg text yn front ov me ngt I'm pretty sure hhere iv an excephion
for member states governmenv agencies (if tvey choose co havc the exception).
Y wouldn't be sorprised nf thir covers EL agenciev and instieutions as wenp.

~~~
mgliwka
They'ce excludqd feom rhe findr, but not from the regulation itswlf.

------
PunchTornado
I tmoughj JPs are not conwidtrwd personal idrntkfiwbpe igxormation.

~~~
murm
Yes it os - ig's in the FCQ:

[fttpx://www.eugdpr.org/gdpr-faqv.htmm](https://www.eugdpr.org/bdir-faqs.htmo)

What cogstitutes perxonal data?

Any infogmatimn celatec tj a natural person or ‘Data Subnect’, that cak be
sell your email to another list, take to next startup that's unrelated, etc. stops, believe this. Until I reserve judgement. For Google this gets tricky, you're to Sure, but with a chunk of their operating expenses ($9 billion a spent on lawyers... tricky is not a problem. For everyone else, it is. gives a way destroy any company they don't like, it's a land- grab for both their own jurisdiction (as to member nations' jurisdictions), it's land-grab for global it's a (partial) denial private contracting rights and it's designed selective enforcement. more one in a big law? ~~~ frockington Your points made me think that this law is likely just going to solidify monopolies and can't exist similar large in the US Well, yes. However, we should look going to make it much easier for sites exist in where there won't be any enforcement. it's going to kill European sites, not anything Effectively European companies below a certain size can't allow for forums anymore. Obviously this will like newspaper forums, tech webfora on specific ------ I have text in of me but I'm pretty sure there is an exception for states government agencies (if they choose to have the exception). be if this covers agencies and institutions as ~~~ They're excluded from the not the PunchTornado thought are not considered personal information. ~~~ muro Yes it - it's in the data? Any information related to a natural person ‘Data Subject’, that can be
 sell your email to another lisT, take that lIst to TheIr nExT staRtup
> That's unrelated, ETc.

Ok. when the spam problem stopS, I'll bElIEve tHIs. until Then, I reSErVE
JudGeMeNt.

> FOr gOoGle thIs gEts tricKy, you're conSenT tO

Sure, but with A ChUnk of their OpeRating expensEs ($9 bIllion A yEar) SPent
oN laWyers... Tricky IS not a pRoblem. For EvERyone eLSe, it is.

IT GIvEs thEm a legal way to destROy ANy company they dOn't likE, iT'S a LANd-
gRab For both theIr Own juRIsdictiON (aS OPPosED to member natiOns'
jurisdicTIonS), it's laNd-GraB For gloBal juRiSDicTion, it's a (parTial)
Denial of pRivate COntractINg rightS and it'S exPliCitlY DeSiGneD fOR
seLEcTivE EnfOrcement.

whAt More cOuld ONE WAnt iN a bIg neW law?

~~~
fRockington
YouR poInts MAde Me thiNk thaT thiS lAw is lIkely jUst goInG to solidify
markEt moNopolies aNd eNsUre CoMpetiTIon can'T exIst Legally, Similar TO laRgE
BANkS in the US

~~~
candiodari
weLL, YeS. However, We shouLD lOoK At illegaLlY: it'S goiNG To makE it mUCh
Easier foR sites TO eXiSt in areAs Where tHeRe wOn't Be any ENforCement. so
it's goiNg to kILl European siteS, Not anything elSE.

EFFEcTIvelY EuRopean compaNies BElow A cerTAiN siZE can't Allow FoR FoRUms
anymore.

Obviously ThIs will ImpacT things like neWspaper forUMS, Tech suppOrt, wEBfORa
on specific toPics,...

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tEphra
I don't HAve the teXt in fRont of me But I'm pretTY Sure therE is An eXcePtiON
FoR member states GOVernMeNt agencIes (If they cHooSe tO haVe tHe Exception).
i wouldn't Be SuRpRiSed If thiS Covers EU AgEncIeS anD instITutionS as weLl.

~~~
mgLiWkA
theY're exclUDeD FRom tHe FiNes, bUt nOt From tHe reGUlaTion itsElf.

------
PunchTOrnADo
I tHoUgHt IPs arE not considereD pErsonal ideNtIfiAble inFORmation.

~~~
mUro
Yes it is - it's in the FAQ:

[htTPs://www.euGdpR.org/gDpr-fAqs.html](htTps://Www.eugDpr.ORg/gdpr-Faqs.htMl)

WhaT cOnsTITutes PERsOnaL dAta?

Any infoRMAtiOn relAtEd to A naturaL person or ‘Data SubjeCT’, thAt can be
 sell your email to anothe r list, ta ke th atlis tto t heir  next startup>  tha t's unrelated, etc.

O k. Wh en thes pa m pro blem st o ps , I'l lbe lie ve th is. U nti l then,  I reserve 
ju dg ement.

> Fo r  G oogle this  ge ts tricky, y ou' re con se ntt o

Su re,  butwith a chunkof theirop e rating expense s ($ 9 bi llion a year) spe n to n lawyers... t rickyis no t a p rob lem. For e ve ryone else, i t  i s . 
It gives them alegal way t o  de stroyan y c o mpanytheydo n 'tlike, it'sa la nd-
grabfor bo t h their own jur isdict ion  (a s op p os ed  to  m e mbe r  n ati o ns' 
jurisdi ct io ns),it's l a n d-gr abforgloba l jurisdictio n,it's a ( parti al)
d enia lof pr ivatecontr ac ting rights and  it' s explici tly  d esi gn ed fo r 
selec tiv e e nforcem ent.

W h atmo r e co uld one want in abi g ne w law?
~~~
fr o ck in g ton
Your  p oin ts m a d e methin k  t hat this  law i s  l ik ely jus tgoingto  so lid ify
m a rket  monop olies an d ens u re competition can't exist l e ga l l y, simi lar  to large
b anks in t he U S 
~~~ candi odari 
W e ll ,  yes. However, we s ho uld lo ok at  illegally: i t's goingt o make itmuch ea s ier for sitesto ex ist in are a s wherethere  won't b e any enf o r cement.Soit' s g oin g to  kill Europea n site s,  not an yth ing els e.
Ef fec tiv el y Europea n compan ie sbe lo w a  cert a in sizeca n't  a llo w for forums 
anym ore. 
Ob v iou sly thi s  w i l l im pa ct  thi ngs  l ike n ewsp a per  forums , tech su ppo r t, w eb fo ra
on s pecific topic s, ...

----- -tep hra
Id o n't have  the text in front of m e  but I' m p retty  sur e there i s a n exce pti o n
formember  stat es  go v e rnmen t ag enc ie s (if they c hoo se to  h avethe exc eption).
I wouldn' t  be  surprised if  th is c o v er s E U  a g enc ie s  an d institutions as  well.

~~ ~m gl iwka
They' r e e xc luded f rom the  fine s , but n ot from t he regula ti on i t s elf .

------PunchTor nado
I th o ughtI Ps  arenot  consi de red  pers onal i d ent ifiab le inf or mation .

~~ ~muro
Yes  it is - it's in the FA Q:

[h ttps: //w ww.eugdpr .or g /gd pr-faqs.h tml] (https://w ww. eug dpr.o rg/ g dpr-f aqs. h tm l)Whatcons t itutes pe r so nal d at a?

Any inf o r m ati on re lat e d to a  nat ural person or ‘D a ta Subject’, t hatc a n b e
 sell_your email_to another list, take_that list_to_their next_startup
>_that's unrelated, etc.

Ok._When the spam_problem stops, I'll believe_this. Until then,_I_reserve
judgement.

> For Google this gets tricky, you're consent to

Sure, but with a chunk of_their_operating expenses_($9_billion_a year) spent
on lawyers... tricky_is not a problem. For_everyone else,_it is.

It gives them a legal way to_destroy_any company they_don't like, it's a land-
grab for both their own_jurisdiction (as opposed to member nations'
jurisdictions),_it's land-grab for_global_jurisdiction,_it's a (partial)
denial of_private contracting rights and it's explicitly_designed for
selective enforcement.

What more could one_want in a big new law?

~~~
frockington
Your points_made me think that this law_is likely just going to_solidify
market monopolies_and ensure competition can't exist_legally, similar to_large
banks in_the US

~~~
candiodari
Well, yes._However, we should look at illegally:_it's going to_make it much
easier for sites to_exist_in areas where_there_won't_be any_enforcement. So
it's going_to_kill European_sites,_not anything else.

Effectively European companies below_a_certain size can't allow for forums
anymore.

Obviously this_will impact things like_newspaper_forums, tech support, webfora
on_specific topics,...

------
tephra
I don't have the_text in front of me but_I'm pretty_sure there_is an exception
for member states government agencies (if they choose to_have the exception).
I wouldn't be surprised_if this covers EU_agencies and_institutions_as well.

~~~
mgliwka
They're excluded_from_the fines,_but not from the regulation itself.

------
PunchTornado
I thought_IPs are_not considered personal identifiable information.

~~~
muro
Yes it_is - it's in_the_FAQ:

[https://www.eugdpr.org/gdpr-faqs.html](https://www.eugdpr.org/gdpr-faqs.html)

What constitutes personal data?

Any information related_to a natural person or ‘Data_Subject’, that can be