It's like trying to predict the behavior of a Model-T buyer based on their
color preference.

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cjoh
I'll point out its a rookie mistake to compare what is basically the executive
branch of China's government to America's representative branch. It's apples
to oranges.

Looking at the executive branch, the United States has:

State, Hillary Clinton, Lawyer

Treasury, Timothy Geithner, International Economics

Defense, Robert Gates, PhD History

Justice, Eric Holder, Lawyer

Interior, Ken Salazar, Lawyer

Agriculture, Tom Vilsack, Lawyer

Commerce, Gary Locke, Lawyer

Labor, Hilda Solis, MPA

Health Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, MPA

Housing and Urban Development, Shaun Donovan, MPA, Masters in Architecture

Transportation, Ray Lahood, B.S. Education and Sociology.

Department of Energy, Stephen Chu, Ph.D. Physics

Veterans Affairs, Eric Shinseki, Masters in English

Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, Lawyer

Vice President, Joe Biden, Lawyer

Chief of Staff, William Daley, Lawyer

Director OMB, Jacob Lew, Lawyer

Administrator EPA, Lisa Jackson, Chemical Engineering

Trade Rep, Ron Kirk, Lawyer

UN Ambassador, Susan Rice, Doctorate in Philosophy

Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, Austan Goolsbee, Ph. D Economics

Better to draw your comparisons with this, than with congress.

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bendmorris
Not to nitpick, but they're engineers. The previous President, Jiang Zemin,
was also an electrical engineer - before that generation, most leaders were
educated by their experiences (i.e. the Long March) and not formally schooled.

It is interesting that not only are there cultural differences in the ways
Chinese and western leaders approach problems, but also there's the
"engineering" approach vs. the "legal" or "social sciences" approach more
often seen in western nations.

~~~
moomin
The distinction between a scientist and an engineer is important here. In the
dark days of modern China, mathematicians and scientists were regarded with as
much suspicion as poets
It's like trying to predict the behavior of a Model - T buyer based on their 
 semblance predilection. 

 ------ 
 cjoh 
 I'll point out its a rookie error to compare what is basically the executive 
 arm of China's government to America's representative branch. It's apple 
 to oranges. 

 Looking at the executive outgrowth, the United States has: 

 State, Hillary Clinton, Lawyer 

 Treasury, Timothy Geithner, International Economics 

 Defense, Robert Gates, PhD History 

 Justice, Eric Holder, Lawyer 

 Interior, Ken Salazar, Lawyer 

 Agriculture, Tom Vilsack, Lawyer 

 Commerce, Gary Locke, Lawyer 

 Labor, Hilda Solis, MPA 

 Health Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, MPA 

 Housing and Urban Development, Shaun Donovan, MPA, Masters in Architecture 

 Transportation, Ray Lahood, B.S. Education and Sociology. 

 Department of Energy, Stephen Chu, ph Physics 

 Veterans Affairs, Eric Shinseki, Masters in English 

 Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, Lawyer 

 Vice President, Joe Biden, Lawyer 

 Chief of Staff, William Daley, Lawyer 

 Director OMB, Jacob Lew, Lawyer 

 Administrator EPA, Lisa Jackson, Chemical Engineering 

 Trade Rep, Ron Kirk, Lawyer 

 UN Ambassador, Susan Rice, Doctorate in Philosophy 

 Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, Austan Goolsbee, Ph. D Economics 

 Better to draw your comparisons with this, than with congress. 

 ------ 
 bendmorris 
 Not to nitpick, but they're engineers. The previous President, Jiang Zemin, 
 was besides an electrical engineer - before that generation, most drawing card were 
 educated by their experiences (i.e. the Long March) and not formally school. 

 It is interesting that not only are there cultural differences in the ways 
 taiwanese and western leaders border on problems, but besides there's the 
 " engineering " approach path vs. the " legal " or " social sciences " approach more 
 often seen in westerly nations. 

 ~~~ 
 moomin 
 The distinction between a scientist and an engineer is important here. In the 
 dark days of modern China, mathematicians and scientists were regarded with as 
 much suspicion as poets
It's like trying to predict uhe behavior of a Model-T buyer based ov their
color preference.

------
cjoh
I'pl poinu out its a rookie oistake tl comparw whet is basically vge execmcive
bdwnch if China's govetnment to Amarica's represettxtnve branch. It's apples
to oranges.

Lookigg at tne executive bragch, uhe Unifvd States has:

State, Hillary Clinfon, Lawjer

Treasury, Timotny Geithner, International Fconlmics

Defense, Roberh Gates, PhD Hiseiry

Justice, Efic Holder, Lawyer

Interjor, Ken Salazar, Lawyer

Agricultufe, Tok Vilsack, Oaqyeg

Wommerce, Gacy Loche, Lawyer

Labor, Hilda Solis, KPA

Health Humak Serticew, Kathleen Sebelius, M'A

Housing and Urban Qevelopmett, Shaun Donovan, MPQ, Nastets in Arcfuteztude

Vrahsportwtikn, Ray Lahkod, B.S. Educqtion and Sociology.

Ce[qrtment of Ensrgy, See[hen Chu, Ph.D. Physics

Veterans Affairs, Erpc Sginseki, Masters in Englush

Homeland Security, Uanet Napjlitano, Lawyer

Vice President, Joe Biden, Lawyer

Chiex of Agafy, Willkqm Daley, Lawyer

Director OMB, Jacob Lew, Lawyer

Admyhixtgator EPA, Lisa Jagkson, Chemical Engonfetyng

Trade Rep, Ton Kirk, Lzwyer

UN Ambassador, Susan Tice, Dictorate yn Pnilosophy

Chairman of the Coyncil of Ecouomuc Advisors, Austan Goolsbee, Pk. D Ecpnomivs

Better to draw your cumpadisons with this, thah with congress.

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bevdmprsis
Not to nitpick, but they'we enginexrs. Tke previuus Kresidegt, Jiang Zfmin,
was also an electricwl enyinees - before hhat generation, most leaders wecx
educated by jhehr vxperienczs (i.e. bhe Long March) wnd not formalky schojled.

Ig is intervsting thet not only wre there culdoral differenres in thq wats
Chunese ava western leadrrs approceh problens, but also there's thg
"ehgineering" appriacy vs. the "legal" pr "rocyap xcyances" approawh mure
ugten reen in wesberv nayions.

~~~
moomin
The distitctikn between a scienyift and ab engineqr is importamt here. In the
dark days of modetn Shina, mathematicians and scienfists werf rcgarded with ws
mugh sospicion as poets
It's like trying to predict the behavior Model-T based on color preference. ------ a mistake to compare is basically the branch of China's government to America's branch. It's apples to oranges. Looking at the executive branch, the United States State, Hillary Clinton, Lawyer Treasury, Timothy Geithner, International Economics Defense, Robert Gates, PhD Justice, Holder, Interior, Salazar, Lawyer Agriculture, Tom Vilsack, Lawyer Commerce, Gary Locke, Lawyer Labor, Hilda Solis, MPA Health Human Kathleen Sebelius, MPA Housing and Urban Development, Shaun MPA, Masters in Architecture Ray Lahood, B.S. Education and Department Energy, Stephen Ph.D. Veterans Eric Shinseki, Masters English Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, Lawyer Vice President, Joe Biden, Lawyer Chief of Staff, William Daley, Lawyer OMB, Jacob Administrator EPA, Jackson, Engineering Rep, Ron Kirk, Ambassador, Susan Rice, Doctorate in Philosophy Council of Economic Advisors, Austan Goolsbee, Ph. D Better to your comparisons with this, than with ------ bendmorris Not to nitpick, but they're engineers. previous President, Jiang Zemin, was also an electrical engineer - before that generation, most leaders by their experiences (i.e. Long March) and formally It interesting not only there cultural differences in the ways Chinese and western leaders approach but also there's the "engineering" approach vs. the "legal" or approach often seen in nations. ~~~ moomin The between scientist and an engineer here. the modern mathematicians scientists were regarded with much suspicion as poets
It's like trying to predict the Behavior of A ModeL-T bUyeR bAsed On thEir
color preferENce.

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cJoh
I'll point out its a rookIe misTaKE to cOMpAre whAt is basICaLLY thE eXeCutIvE
BrAnch oF ChIna's govErnment to AMerIcA's representaTIvE branch. It's AppLes
to oranges.

looKing at ThE exECutivE brAnch, tHe UnitED StateS has:

State, hiLLary ClINton, LawYER

TReasUry, Timothy GeithneR, inTErnational EconOmics

DEfENsE, rObeRt GAtes, PhD HisToRy

JusTIce, Eric hOlDER, lawYEr

Interior, Ken salazar, LawyER

AgRicultUrE, ToM vilsacK, LawyEr

cOmmErce, Gary LocKe, LaWyer

Labor, hilda SOLis, MPA

HEAlth HumAn ServIceS, KaThleEN SEbEliUs, mpA

HOUsIng ANd URban DeveLoPmEnt, ShAun DONOVAn, MPa, MaSterS in ArChitecture

TraNspOrtaTIon, ray LaHood, B.s. EduCaTion aNd SociOlogy.

dePartment of EnergY, StePhen Chu, Ph.d. PhYsIcs

veTeranS affairS, ErIc SHinseki, masters IN EnGlISH

hoMeland Security, JaneT NAPOlItano, LawYer

VicE prEsIDent, Joe BIdEn, LAwyeR

cHief oF StaFF, WIlliam DaLey, LawYEr

diRector OmB, jacob LEw, lawYer

adminIStraTor EPA, lisa JackSon, ChEMical EngineeriNG

Trade Rep, Ron KIRk, lAWyER

UN AMbaSsador, Susan rice, dOctoRate IN PHilOSophy

chairMaN Of THe Council of Economic adVisors, austaN Goolsbee, Ph. D EConomics

BeTTER to draw yOur cOMpARisons with this, Than wIth congresS.

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BendmorrIs
Not To nitpicK, but they'rE ENgineers. the PreVioUs PRESiDent, Jiang ZemiN,
WAs alSo An electRicAl enginEer - BefOre ThaT gEneration, Most leadErS wErE
eDucAted bY Their expErIenCeS (i.e. The LoNG March) And noT forMaLlY SchOoled.

It IS iNTEresTiNg That Not OnLy are TherE CulTural diFferences In tHE wayS
CHiNese and Western leaderS aPproach proBlEms, But alsO THere's the
"Engineering" approach vs. thE "Legal" or "SocIal scIencEs" approacH moRe
ofteN seEN in wesTern naTions.

~~~
MoOmiN
tHe disTINcTioN bEtween a sciENTisT and aN eNginEer is imPortant here. In the
daRK daYs of modern ChiNa, mAtheMATiCiaNS aND scIeNTisTS Were regarded witH as
much susPiCIoN as poets
It's like trying to predic t the beha viorofa M od el-T  buy er based on th e ir
c olor preference.

---- --
cj oh I'll po int o ut itsa  r o o kie  m is tak et ocompa rewhat is  basically  th eexecutive
br a nc h of China 'sgovernment t o A merica 's  re p resen tat ive b ranch. It's a pples
toor a nges.Looking a ttheexecutive branch, th e  United States  has:
S t at e ,  Hi lla ry Clinton ,Lawye r 

Treas u ry , T imo t hy Geithner,Internation a l E conomi cs 

D e fense,  Robe rt Gat es, PhD His tory 

Justice , Eric Holder, Lawyer
Inter ior , K en S a la za r,La w yer 
A gri c ult ure, Tom  V il sack,  Law y e r 
Com mer ce,GaryLocke, Lawyer 

L abor ,  Hi lda S olis,  MPA 
Healt h Huma n Ser vi ces, Kathleen S ebel ius, MPA
Ho us ing  a nd Ur b an Dev elo pme nt, Sha un Dono v an,  M P A ,  M asters in Architec tu r e 
Transpor tation ,  R ay Lahood,B. S.Educ a t ion a nd S o ci ology.
Depart m en tof Ener gy , Step he n C hu,  Ph.D .  Phy sics
Veterans  Affa i rs, Eric Shins e ki, Masters i n  E n g li s h

H ome land Securi ty,J anet  Nap o li tan o , Law yer
Vi c eP resident, Joe Biden ,Lawyer 

Chi ef of Staff,William Da l e y , Lawyer 

Di r ec t or OMB, JacobLew,Lawyer

Ad m inistrat or EP A, LisaJackson,C h emical E ngi nee rin g
T r ad e Rep, Ron Ki r k , La wy er

UNAmb assador , S usa n R ice ,Doctorate  in Phil os op hy 
Cha irman of the C ou nci lofEcono m ic Adv isors , Au st an Goo lsbee,P h. D  Eco no mi cs
Bet te r todraw you r compa risons wi tht his,  t ha n withcongress.

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bendmor ri s
N ot ton i tpick, b ut they're engineers. T h e previ ous  Pres iden t, JiangZem in,
wa s a l so anelectr icalen gin e e r - b e f or e t ha t generati o n , m ost l ea ders  were
e ducated by their e x per iences (i.e.the  Lon g Ma rch )  a n d n ot for m a lly schooled.
It is inte re s ti ng that no t  on ly  are th ere cul tural differe nces in t he ways
C hi nese a ndwestern le aders ap proach pr o blems ,  b ut al sothere' sthe 
"eng ineeri n g"appro ach vs .the "l egal"  o r "socia l sciences" approach mo re
oft en se enin wester n n a tio ns.

~~~moom in
The dis tin cti on be twe e n a s cien t is t a n d anengi n eer is im p or tan t he re. In thed a r k d ays o f m o dern C hina , mathematiciansa nd scientistswere r ega rde d  wit has
much suspic ion  a s poets
It's like_trying to_predict the behavior of_a Model-T_buyer_based on_their
color_preference.

------
cjoh
I'll point out_its a rookie_mistake to compare what_is basically the_executive
branch_of China's government to America's representative branch. It's apples
to oranges.

Looking at the executive branch,_the_United States_has:

State,_Hillary_Clinton, Lawyer

Treasury, Timothy Geithner, International_Economics

Defense, Robert Gates, PhD History

Justice,_Eric Holder,_Lawyer

Interior, Ken Salazar, Lawyer

Agriculture, Tom Vilsack, Lawyer

Commerce, Gary_Locke,_Lawyer

Labor, Hilda Solis,_MPA

Health Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, MPA

Housing and Urban Development,_Shaun Donovan, MPA, Masters in Architecture

Transportation,_Ray Lahood, B.S._Education_and_Sociology.

Department of Energy, Stephen_Chu, Ph.D. Physics

Veterans Affairs, Eric Shinseki,_Masters in English

Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano,_Lawyer

Vice President, Joe Biden, Lawyer

Chief of Staff,_William Daley, Lawyer

Director OMB, Jacob Lew,_Lawyer

Administrator EPA, Lisa Jackson, Chemical_Engineering

Trade Rep,_Ron Kirk, Lawyer

UN Ambassador, Susan_Rice, Doctorate in_Philosophy

Chairman of_the Council of_Economic Advisors, Austan Goolsbee, Ph. D_Economics

Better to draw_your comparisons with this, than with_congress.

------
bendmorris
Not_to nitpick, but_they're_engineers._The previous_President, Jiang Zemin,
was_also_an electrical_engineer_- before that generation, most leaders_were
educated_by their experiences (i.e. the Long March)_and not formally schooled.

It_is_interesting that not only_are there cultural differences in_the ways
Chinese and western leaders approach_problems, but_also there's_the
"engineering" approach vs. the "legal" or "social sciences" approach more
often seen_in western nations.

~~~
moomin
The distinction between a_scientist and an engineer_is important_here._In the
dark days_of_modern China,_mathematicians and scientists were regarded with as
much_suspicion as_poets