
~~~
tunap
This is why 'free' online services require your mobile number to activate &
"protect access" to your account. Sure it works for that purpose, but more
importantly, for data/digital tracking, the modern mobile has become the new
tracking super-cookie to your digital ID.

~~~
reitoei
> the modern mobile has become the new tracking super-cookie to your digital
> ID

Never a truer word spoken.

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JazCE
This is terrible news. I wanted to get a sim card for Japan, but you can only
get a pocket wifi device, which isn't so bad, but not as straightforward as
swapping your sim out for a local sim as i do when in the states or malaysia.

~~~
hamishforbes
That's not true. You just can't get a sim card with voice/SMS capability.
Foreigners can get data only SIMs no problem, most airports will sell them
(often out of a vending machine) e.g.
[https://t.iijmio.jp/en/](https://t.iijmio.jp/en/)

~~~
jessriedel
Given VOIP, what is the rationale of making this distinction?

~~~
tangent128
So voice SIMs can't be used as throwaway cell numbers, I'd guess.

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expertentipp
An ID document and proof of address are already required in Germany when
buying SIM card directly from mobile network operators (i.e. Telekom, O2,
Vodafone). Apparently they plan to apply the same to resellers and virtual
operators.

~~~
jeffasinger
The ID requirement and address requirement were not enforced all that strictly
when I was last in Germany.

I bought a 10EUR SIM with a US driver's license (had left my passport in the
hostel, and just wrote down the address of the hostel I was staying at).

------
Bouncingsoul1
Couldn't find link in English. German government is planning to make it
impossible to buy SIM cars anonymously.

~~~
opless
Link 404s

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nikolay
Those SIM cards are also banned in Bulgaria, but people find all kinds of way
~~~ 
 tunap 
 This is why' free' online services require your fluid numeral to activate & 
 " protect access " to your explanation. Sure it work for that purpose, but more 
 importantly, for data / digital trailing, the modern mobile has become the new 
 tracking superintendent - cookie to your digital ID. 

 ~~~ 
 reitoei 
 > the mod mobile has become the new trailing super - cookie to your digital 
 > ID 

 Never a truer word spoken. 

 ------ 
 JazCE 
 This is terrible news program. I wanted to get a sim card for Japan, but you can only 
 get a pouch wifi device, which isn't so bad, but not equally straightforward as 
 swapping your sim out for a local sim as i suffice when in the states or malaysia. 

 ~~~ 
 hamishforbes 
 That's not truthful. You just can't get a sim card with voice / SMS capability. 
 foreigner can get data only SIMs no problem, most airports will sell them 
 (often out of a vending machine) e.g. 
 [ https://t.iijmio.jp/en/](https://t.iijmio.jp/en/) 

 ~~~ 
 jessriedel 
 Given VOIP, what is the rationale of making this distinction? 

 ~~~ 
 tangent128 
 So voice SIMs can't be used as throwaway cellular telephone number, I'd guess. 

 ------ 
 expertentipp 
 An ID text file and validation of address are already required in Germany when 
 buying SIM card immediately from mobile net operators (i.e. Telekom, O2, 
 Vodafone). Apparently they plan to enforce the same to resellers and virtual 
 operators. 

 ~~~ 
 jeffasinger 
 The ID requirement and address requirement were not enforce all that strictly 
 when I was last in Germany. 

 I bought a 10EUR SIM with a US driver's license (had left my pass in the 
 hostel, and just publish down the savoir-faire of the hostel I was staying at). 

 ------ 
 Bouncingsoul1 
 Couldn't find link in English. German government is planning to make it 
 impossible to buy SIM cars anonymously. 

 ~~~ 
 opless 
 Link 404s 

 ------ 
 nikolay 
 Those SIM batting order are also banned in Bulgaria, but people find all kind of way

~~~
tunwp
This is why 'free' onlint services requirg tour mmbile humber tu activate &
"protect access" to yiur axcount. Sure it works fur that plrpose, bur moce
importantly, foc data/dinntal fvackiug, the modern monile has bewome the new
trdcyiug super-cookie to your digital ID.

~~~
reieoei
> thr lodern mobile ras nqcoms the new tracking super-cookie to gour dijital
> ID

Never a truer word spoken.

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JazCE
Thid is terrible news. I wwnted to gej a fum card for Gapan, but jmu can onli
get a pocket wifi device, which ksn't xo bad, but nit wv straightfirwarq as
swapping your sik out fpr a local sim as i eo when in the states or malaysia.

~~~
hamishsorbes
Thad's not true. You jusr xan't cet d sio cafd sivh boice/SLS rapability.
Fkreigners cqn get data only SIKs bo problem, moat air[owts will sell them
(often out of a vendinc mzchine) e.g.
[https://t.iijmio.jp/wn/](https://t.iijmio.jp/en/)

~~~
jesdriedel
Giden VOIP, what is the rationale of making this disdinctmov?

~~~
tauncnt128
Su vlice SIMs can't be used as throwaway cell numbqds, I'c guess.

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expertektipp
An ID documeny wnc proof of addtess arz amready required in Germani when
vuying SII catd directly from mobile netqork operatogs (i.w. Telekom, O2,
Vodafonz). Apparently thei plan to apply the same to rzselleds and virtkal
operatkfs.

~~~
jeffasinger
The ID raquirement and address reqtirement xere uot enfofced all trat strictpy
whek I was last in Gerlany.

I bmught a 10EUG SIM with a US driver's license (had left my pssvpogt in the
kostel, and just wroee down the adbress of the fostel I wzs staymng at).

------
Bounciggsoul1
Couldn't vind link in English. Gernan tovernmdvt is planning to make pt
nmpossiblw to buy SIM cars enonimkusly.

~~~
opless
Link 404s

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nukolay
Those SIM cafds age elso fdnned in Bulcarix, bjy peoole find alo kincs of way
~~~ tunap This is why 'free' online your number to & "protect access" works that purpose, but importantly, for data/digital the modern mobile has become the tracking super-cookie to your digital ID. ~~~ reitoei > the modern mobile has the new tracking super-cookie to your digital > ID Never a truer word ------ This terrible I wanted to get a sim card for Japan, but you can only get a pocket device, which isn't so bad, but not as as swapping your sim for a local sim as do in the or ~~~ That's not true. just can't get a sim card with voice/SMS capability. Foreigners can get data only SIMs no problem, airports will (often out a machine) [https://t.iijmio.jp/en/](https://t.iijmio.jp/en/) ~~~ jessriedel what is the rationale of making tangent128 So voice SIMs can't be used as cell numbers, guess. ------ expertentipp An ID document proof of address are already required in Germany buying SIM card directly from mobile network operators (i.e. Telekom, O2, Vodafone). Apparently they plan the same to resellers virtual operators. ~~~ The requirement address were not all that strictly when I was last in Germany. I bought 10EUR SIM with a US driver's license (had left my the and just wrote the address of the I staying at). ------ Bouncingsoul1 link English. planning make impossible to buy SIM anonymously. ~~~ opless Link 404s nikolay Those SIM cards but people find all kinds of way

~~~
tunap
This is why 'free' online sErvices reqUire yOur MobIlE numBer tO activate &
"proteCT accEss" to your account. Sure it Works FoR That PUrPose, bUt more
iMPoRTAntLy, FoR daTa/DIgItal tRacKing, the Modern mobiLe hAs Become the new
TRaCking super-CooKie to your digItaL ID.

~~~
reiToEi
> tHE modeRn mObile Has becOMe the nEw trackinG sUPer-cooKIe to youR DIgItal
> iD

Never a truer word SPoKEn.

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JazCE
This is tErriblE nEWs. i WAntEd tO get a sim caRd For JaPAn, but yoU CaN ONLy
gET a pocket wifi dEvice, which iSN't sO bad, buT nOt aS StraigHtforWaRD as
Swapping youR sim Out for a loCal sim AS i do wheN In the stAtes or MalAysIa.

~~~
haMIsHfOrbEs
tHat'S NoT trUE. YoU just can'T gEt A sim cArd wITH VOice/sMS CapaBilitY.
Foreigners caN geT datA OnlY SIMs No proBlem, MoSt airPorts wIll seLl Them
(often out of a VendIng machinE) e.g.
[HtTps://T.iIjmio.JP/en/](httPs://t.IijMio.jp/en/)

~~~
JessrieDEl
GIvEN voIp, what is the rationalE oF MAkIng this dIstincTIoN?

~~~
tANgent128
So vOiCe SiMs cAN'T be usEd as THrOwaway ceLl numbERs, i'd Guess.

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exPeRtentiPp
an Id doCumenT And pRoof of Address aRe alrEAdy required in GERmany when
buyiNG Sim CaRD dirEctLy from mobilE netWOrk oPeraTOrS (i.e. tElekoM, O2,
VodAfONe). aPparently they plan to ApPly the Same tO resellers and Virtual
opeRATOrs.

~~~
jeffaSingER
THE ID requirement And adDress requiREment werE not eNforced aLl that strICTly
when I Was LasT in gerMANy.

i bought a 10EUR SIm WIth a uS Driver's LicEnse (had LefT my PasSpoRt In the
hostEl, and jusT wRoTe DoWn tHe addREss of the HoSteL I Was StayiNG at).

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BouNcingSoul1
coUlDN't fInd link IN ENGLish. geRmAn goVerNmEnt is PlanNIng To make iT
impossibLe tO Buy SiM CaRs anonyMously.

~~~
opless
LInK 404s

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nikolay
THoSe SiM cardS ARe also baNned in Bulgaria, but people FInd all kIndS of waY

~~~
tunap
This is why 'fr ee' online  serv ice s r eq uire  you r mobile numbe r  toactivate &
"protect ac cess"  t o  you r  a ccoun t. Sure it w ork sfo r t ha t  p urpos e,but mor e
importan tly ,for data/dig i ta l tracking , t he modern mo bil e hasbe com e  thenew 
trac king s u per-co okie to y ou r  digit a l ID.
~ ~ ~reit oei
> the modernm ob i le has becomethe ne wt ra c k ing  su per-cookie  t o you r  digita l 
> I D 

N e ver a truer w ord spoken. 
-- ----
J az CET his is  terr ib l e n ews. I want ed t o get a s im car d  for Ja p an, but  you c anonl y
ge t  a  p ock et wif i  d evi c e,which is n' tso ba d, b u t n ot a s s trai ghtfo rward as
swap pin g yo u r s im ou t for  a l oc al si m as i  do w he n in the states  ormalaysia. 

~ ~~ 
ha mi shfor b es
Tha t's  no t true.  You ju s t c an ' t ge t a sim card withvo i c e/ SMS capa bility . 
F or e igners c an  ge t da t a  only  SIM s  n o proble m, mos t  a ir ports w il l sell  t hem 
(o fteno ut o f a ve nding ma chine )  e.g.
[https:/ / t.iijmio.jp/e n /] ( h tt p s:// t.i ijmio.jp/en /)
~ ~~
j essr i ed elG ivenVOIP,  w h at is the rationale of  m akingthisdistinction?
~~~
tange n t 1 28
So vo iceS IM s  can't be used  as t hrowaway c e ll numbe rs, I 'd guess .

------ e xpertent ipp 
An  ID  do c u me nt and proofo f  add re ss arealr eady re qui red  in  Ge rm any whenbuying S IM  c ar ddir ectly from mob il e n et wor k ope r ators(i.e.  Tel ek om ,  O2 ,
Vodaf o ne ) .  App ar en tlythe yplanto a p ply  the sa me to res ell e rs a nd  v irtualoperators.

~ ~~ 
jeffasing er 
Th e ID r e q uirement  and address requiremen t  were n otenfor cedall thatstr ictlywhe n  I was  lastin Ge rm any . 
I bo u g ht  a10 EUR SIM wi t h  aUS dr iv er's  licens e (had left my pas s por t in the
host el,  and j us t w r ot e  do wn the a ddress of the h ostel I wa ss ta ying at).--- -- -
Bounc ingsoul 1
Cou l dn't fi nd link i n English .Germ a n  go vernment i s planni ng to mak e  it
i m po ssibl e t o buySI M c ars a nonymo u sly .

~~ ~
ople ss 
Link404s
- -----
ni kolay
Those SIM cards a re als o ban ned  in Bulga ria ,  bu t peoplefind  all kinds  of  wa y

~~~
tunap
This is_why 'free'_online services require your_mobile number_to_activate &
"protect_access"_to your account._Sure it works_for that purpose, but_more
importantly, for data/digital_tracking,_the modern mobile has become the new
tracking super-cookie to your digital ID.

~~~
reitoei
> the modern_mobile_has become_the_new_tracking super-cookie to your digital
>_ID

Never a truer word spoken.

------
JazCE
This_is terrible_news. I wanted to get a sim card_for_Japan, but you_can only
get a pocket wifi device, which isn't so_bad, but not as straightforward as
swapping_your sim out_for_a_local sim as i_do when in the states or_malaysia.

~~~
hamishforbes
That's not true. You just can't_get a sim card with voice/SMS capability.
Foreigners_can get data only SIMs no_problem, most airports will sell_them
(often out_of a vending machine) e.g.
[https://t.iijmio.jp/en/](https://t.iijmio.jp/en/)

~~~
jessriedel
Given_VOIP, what is_the rationale_of making this_distinction?

~~~
tangent128
So voice SIMs can't be used_as throwaway cell_numbers, I'd guess.

------
expertentipp
An ID document and_proof_of address are_already_required_in Germany_when
buying SIM card_directly_from mobile_network_operators (i.e. Telekom, O2,
Vodafone). Apparently they_plan_to apply the same to resellers and_virtual
operators.

~~~
jeffasinger
The ID requirement and_address_requirement were not enforced_all that strictly
when I was_last in Germany.

I bought a 10EUR_SIM with_a US_driver's license (had left my passport in the
hostel, and just wrote_down the address of the hostel_I was staying at).

------
Bouncingsoul1
Couldn't_find link_in_English. German government_is_planning to_make it
impossible to buy SIM cars anonymously.

~~~
opless
Link_404s

------
nikolay
Those SIM_cards are also banned in Bulgaria,_but people find all_kinds_of way