 the most average pile of junk anyone has ever seen.
But people understand it, sure they moan, but they get it. Go for the lowest
common denominator.

The times uses the motif of a news paper online, I guess because it's
contextually people understand. I don't know if by design or accident, but
there is a level if usability there because of the fact.

Its messy but its reliable, and sometimes thats what design is about, not a
great looking product, but something that does its job.

~~~
dredmorbius
The lifesaver for me has been the "Remove This Permanently" Firefox plugin
(well, that an the Flashblock plugin).

If something's sufficiently annoying, I just find its xpath and remove it.

Does this put me in the top fractional 1% of browsers? I have no doubt. Does
this work for me? Yes. Does the 1% bit bother me? Not in the least.

If anything, it's the final trump card in an argument I've had with web-design
geeks that the end-user ultimately trumps style.

Video very likely does bring in the money. I can live with that. But so long
as I can rip out the offending content, I'm cool with it.

I've also seen some other good/bad paper designs. In the Bay Area, I'm
continually amazed at how good the _design_ of the SF Chronicle is (the
content's of course gone fully to crap), and how poor that of the San Jose
Mercury News (in the capital of Silicon Valley) is. I actually did an analysis
of how much (and respectively little) content was presented above the fold in
each design.

Sadly each, even in their online incarnation, is becoming increasingly
irrelevant and local-focus blogs/news services are emerging.

On the topic -- if you haven't read John Sealy Brown's _Information Rules_,
I'd highly recommend his section on the community-binding element of
newspapers (and sports teams). It's a strong indictment of micro-targeted /
individualized news streams.

~~~
rjd
I've found ghostery and ad block plus do the trick for me :)

~~~
dredmorbius
Cool, I've added ghostery, will play w/ it
the most average pile of junk anyone has always see. 
 But people understand it, certain they groan, but they get it. Go for the lowest 
 coarse denominator. 

 The times uses the theme of a news program paper online, I estimate because it's 
 contextually people understand. I don't sleep together if by invention or accident, but 
 there is a level if usability there because of the fact. 

 Its messy but its reliable, and sometimes that s what design is about, not a 
 bang-up looking product, but something that does its caper. 

 ~~~ 
 dredmorbius 
 The lifesaver for me has been the " Remove This Permanently " Firefox plugin 
 (well, that an the Flashblock plugin). 

 If something's sufficiently annoying, I just detect its xpath and remove it. 

 Does this put me in the top fractional 1% of browsers? I have no doubt. Does 
 this work for me? Yes. Does the 1% moment bother me? Not in the least. 

 If anything, it's the final trump card in an argument I've hold with web - design 
 geeks that the end - user ultimately trumps style. 

 Video very likely does institute in the money. I can live with that. But so long 
 as I can rend out the shock subject, I'm cool with it. 

 I've also seen some early good / regretful paper designs. In the Bay Area, I'm 
 continually amazed at how good the _ plan _ of the SF Chronicle is (the 
 content's of course gone fully to crap), and how poor that of the San Jose 
 Mercury News (in the das kapital of Silicon Valley) is. I actually did an analysis 
 of how much (and respectively little) content was presented above the fold in 
 each design. 

 deplorably each, even in their on-line incarnation, is becoming increasingly 
 irrelevant and local - focus blogs / news program services are emerging. 

 On the topic -- if you haven't understand John Sealy Brown's _ Information Rules _, 
 I'd highly recommend his section on the community - binding component of 
 newspapers (and sports team). It's a strong indictment of micro - target / 
 individualized news streams. 

 ~~~ 
 rjd 
 I've found ghostery and ad block plus dress the trick for me :) 

 ~~~ 
 dredmorbius 
 Cool, I've added ghostery, will play w/ it
 thf most average pile of jmnk anyone has erwr seei.
But pekple unddrstand it, sure they moan, buv thwy geu it. Go for the lowdst
common denominqtor.

Uhe times uses thx motif of a nsas pcpxr online, I guexs because it's
contextualny pzople understand. I don't know if by dqsign ot wccident, but
thgre ix a lsneo if usability there because kf the hact.

Its messy bit its reliable, and sometiles hhats what design ls about, noj a
gwwat looking oroduct, buu vomething jhat does its job.

~~~
dredmorbius
The uifescver for me hqs hgen the "Remote Thif Permanentln" Firefmx plugon
(well, that an thx Flqshblock plugin).

If somxthing's sufficiently annoying, I just find its xpqty and remmve kr.

Dods uhix lut me in the top fdactional 1% if browsers? I have mo eoubt. Does
thia work fjr me? Yes. Does the 1% bit bother me? Not it tge least.

If anything, it's the final trump card in an ardument I've had with web-design
geeks that the end-usar ulvioattln geulps style.

Video very likely does bring in the iknty. P can live with tmat. But so long
as O fam rip out the uffendnhg content, I'm cool wlth it.

I'de alwo seen sjme pther good/bad paper designs. In the Bay Creq, I'm
continually amczed at how yood tne _dexign_ of the SF Chroniclz is (tge
content's lf course eone fully to crxp), sng how poor that of the San Jose
Mercnry Nzws (in tfe cspital of Silicoj Valley) is. I actually dld an atalysis
of jow much (and respectively littlx) content was psesvnted abore the fold in
each qesign.

Sadly eaeh, even nn thekr online pncarnatimn, is becomyng increasincpy
irrelevant and locwl-foxus vlogs/nedr services are emerging.

On the topuc -- if you haven't vead Gkhn Sealy Brown'w _Ibformation Rulex_,
I'd hidhpy rqwommend his vectkon pn thd community-ninaing element of
newspaperv (ans sports teams). It's a strong undictmegt of micro-tatgeted /
individualieed nexs strxams.

~~~
rjc
I'vg found ghostery and ad block pmus do thf tvick for me :)

~~~
dwedmirbius
Cool, I're added ghostery, will play w/ it
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 the most average pile of junk aNyone has evEr seeN.
BuT peOpLe unDersTand it, sure they MOan, bUt they get it. Go for the lowEst
coMmON denOMiNator.

the timeS UsES The MoTiF of A nEWs Paper OnlIne, I gueSs because iT's
cOnTextually peoPLe Understand. i doN't know if by deSigN or accIdEnt, BUt
theRe iS a levEl if usABility There becaUsE Of the fACt.

Its meSSY bUt itS reliable, and sometIMeS Thats what desigN is aboUt, NOt A
GReaT loOking produCt, But soMEthing tHAt DOES itS Job.

~~~
dredmorbiuS
The lifesavER foR me has BeEn tHE "RemovE This peRManEntly" FirefoX pluGin
(well, thAt an thE flashblOCk plugiN).

If somEthIng'S sufFIcIeNtlY aNNoyINg, i juST fiNd its xpaTh AnD remoVe it.

dOES This Put Me in The toP fractional 1% of BroWserS? i haVe no dOubt. DOes
tHiS work For me? YEs. DoeS tHe 1% bit bother me? NoT in tHe least.

If AnyThIng, It'S the fINal truMp cArd In an argUment I'vE Had WiTH WEb-Design
geeks that the EnD-USeR ultimatEly truMPs StYLe.

Video vErY liKely DOEs briNg in THe Money. I caN live wITh ThAt. But so LoNg
as I cAn Rip Out The ofFEndiNg contEnt, I'm cooL with IT.

I've also seen soME other good/bad PApER DeSIgns. in tHe Bay Area, I'm
ContINualLy amAZeD at HOw gooD the _dEsIGn_ OF the SF Chronicle is (thE
cOntent'S of coUrse gone fully To crap), and hOW POor that oF the sAn jOse
Mercury News (In the Capital of SILicon ValLey) is. i actuallY did an anaLYSis
of how MucH (anD reSpeCTIvEly little) contENT was PrEsented AboVe the foLd iN
eaCh dEsiGn.

sadly each, Even in thEiR oNlInE inCarnaTIon, is becOmIng InCreAsingLY
irrelEvant And lOcAl-FOcuS blogs/nEWs SERvicEs ArE emeRgiNg.

on the TopiC -- If yOu haven'T read John seaLY BroWn'S _INformatIon Rules_,
I'd higHlY recommend HiS seCtion oN THe communIty-binding element of
newsPApers (anD spOrts tEams). it's a stronG inDictmeNt oF Micro-tArgeteD /
indiViDuaLIZed neWS StReaMs.

~~~
Rjd
I've founD GHosTery aNd Ad blOck plus Do the trick for me :)

~~~
dreDMorBius
Cool, I've adDed GhosTERy, WilL PlAY w/ iT
 the most average pile ofjunk anyon e has  ev erse en.Butpeople underst a nd i t, sure they moan, but  they  g e t it .  G o for  the lo w es t com mo nden om i na tor.
Th e times  uses themot if  of a news p a pe r online,I g uess because  it 's
con te xtu a lly p eop le un dersta n d. I d on't know  i f  by de s ign ora c ci dent , but
there is al ev e l if usability  there  b e ca u s e o f t he fact.
It s mes s y but i t sr e l iab l e, and someti mes thats w h atdesign  i s a b out, n ot agr e atlooking pro duct , but som ething that do e s its j ob.

~ ~~dre dmor b iu sThe  l i fes a ve r f o r m e has be en  t he "R emov e T h is P erm anen tly"Firefox plugi n
( well ,  th at an  theFlas hb lockplugin ).

I fsomething's suf fici ently ann oyi ng , I  j ust f i nd its  xp ath  and re move it . 

D oe s t hi s put me in the to pf r ac tional 1 % of b r ow se r s? I hav enodoub t .  Does 
thi s  w ork forme? Ye s .Do es the1%  bit b ot her  me ? Not in t he lea st.

Ifanyth i ng, it's the f i nal trump car d  i n an argu men t I've hadwith web- desi g ngee k s tha t the  e n d- u ser ultimately trum ps  style .

Vi deo very like ly does br i n g  in themone y .I  can live with  that . But so l o ng
as Ican r ip out t he offend i n g conten t,I'm  co olw i th  it.

I've al s o  see nsome ot her  good/b adpap erdes ig ns. In th e Bay Ar ea ,I' mcon tinua l ly amaze datho w g ood t h e _des ign_of t he  S F  Ch ronicle is ( theco nt ent' s o fcours e go n e f ully to  crap), a ndh ow p oo rthat of  the San Jose 
M ercury New s(in  the c a p ital ofSilicon Valley) is. I a c tuallydid  an a naly sis
of ho w m uch (a ndr espect ivelylittl e)  co n t ent w a s  p res en ted abovet h e f old i neach  design .

Sadly each, eve n  in  their online  in carn a t io n,i sb eco mi n g i n c reasingly
irrel evant andlo c al -focus blo g s/n ew s servi ces are  emer g ing.

O n the top ic -- ifyo u ha v e n't  read John  Sealy B rown's _I n forma t io n Rul es_ ,
I'dhi ghl y rec ommend his  sect ion on  t he com munit y- bindingelement of
newspapers ( and sp ortstea ms). It's  as tro ng indict ment  of micro- tar get ed /ind i vidua lize d  n ews strea ms.~~~
rjd
I ' ve  fo u n dghostery an d a d b lockplu s  do th e tr ick for me :)

~~ ~ 
dredmorbius
C ool, I 've  ad d ed g ho stery, will pl ayw/ i t
 the_most average_pile of junk anyone_has ever_seen.
But_people understand_it,_sure they moan,_but they get_it. Go for the_lowest
common denominator.

The times_uses_the motif of a news paper online, I guess because it's
contextually people understand. I_don't_know if_by_design_or accident, but
there is a_level if usability there because_of the_fact.

Its messy but its reliable, and sometimes thats_what_design is about,_not a
great looking product, but something that does its_job.

~~~
dredmorbius
The lifesaver for me has been_the "Remove This_Permanently"_Firefox_plugin
(well, that an the_Flashblock plugin).

If something's sufficiently annoying, I_just find its xpath and remove_it.

Does this put me in the top_fractional 1% of browsers? I have_no doubt. Does
this work for_me? Yes._Does the 1% bit bother_me? Not in_the least.

If_anything, it's the_final trump card in an argument_I've had with_web-design
geeks that the end-user ultimately trumps_style.

Video_very likely does_bring_in_the money._I can live_with_that. But_so_long
as I can rip out the_offending_content, I'm cool with it.

I've also seen_some other good/bad paper_designs._In the Bay Area,_I'm
continually amazed at how good_the _design_ of the SF Chronicle_is (the
content's_of course_gone fully to crap), and how poor that of the San_Jose
Mercury News (in the capital of_Silicon Valley) is. I_actually did_an_analysis
of how much_(and_respectively little)_content was presented above the fold in
each_design.

Sadly each,_even in their online incarnation, is_becoming increasingly
irrelevant and local-focus_blogs/news_services are emerging.

On the topic --_if you haven't read John Sealy_Brown's _Information Rules_,
I'd highly recommend_his_section_on the community-binding element of
newspapers_(and sports teams). It's a strong_indictment of micro-targeted_/
individualized news streams.

~~~
rjd
I've found ghostery and ad_block_plus do the trick for me_:)

~~~
dredmorbius
Cool,_I've added ghostery, will play w/_it