A range of typing systems exist now, they will continue to exist into the
future as long as we have need of digitally based computing systems.

We live it and we continue to solve the problems put before us.

As a side not, it was interesting that he didn't specify a List("abc", 0, 0.2)
and answer what the static type of such would be. There are many examples of
data structures that has non-uniform base types which can only be determined
at runtime.

Let the silly season start.

~~~
lukaseder
In Java, the type of such a List("abc", 0, 0.2) would be List<? extends
Serializable & Comparable<?>> or something like that. There's always an
appropriate type for any expression.

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tedmiston
> Dynamically typed languages are dead

The author seems to overlook existing efforts from the dynamically typed end
of the spectrum to add type inferencing and optional static typing to dynamic
languages. Either as type checkers e.g., mypy [1] or for runtime improvements.

[1]:
[http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html](http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html)

 Ask HN: Should I pay programmers I hire per hour or per task? - MavropaliasG
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ToFab123
It depends on if it is possible to make precise time estimate of how long the
task is expected to take for an developer with same level as your dev. It also
depends on the quality of the specifications you have written. If you are
unable to write clear and precise specs then hard for someone to commit to a
set numbers of hours. If there are elements of research and development in the
task it is also hard to set a firm price. So the answer is that it depends on
the quality of your specifications and ability to describe and explain the
work that needs to be done

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gregjor
[http://typicalprogrammer.com/how-to-work-with-freelance-
deve...](http://typicalprogrammer.com/how-to-work-with-freelance-developers)

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catacombs
Pay them by hour and pay them fairly.
A range of typing systems exist now, they will stay to exist into the 
 future equally long as we have need of digitally based computer science system. 

 We live it and we continue to clear the problem put before us. 

 As a side not, it was interesting that he didn't specify a List("abc ", 0, 0.2) 
 and answer what the electrostatic type of such would be. There are many exercise of 
 datum structures that has non - consistent base types which can merely be determined 
 at runtime. 

 Let the silly season starting signal. 

 ~~~ 
 lukaseder 
 In Java, the type of such a List("abc ", 0, 0.2) would be List <? extends 
 Serializable & Comparable <? > > or something like that. There's always an 
 appropriate character for any expression. 

 ------ 
 tedmiston 
 > Dynamically type languages are dead 

 The author seem to overlook existing efforts from the dynamically typed end 
 of the spectrum to add type inferencing and optional static typing to dynamic 
 languages. Either as type checkers e.g., mypy [ 1 ] or for runtime improvements. 

 [ 1 ]: 
 [ http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html](http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html) 

  Ask HN: Should I pay programmers I hire per hour or per undertaking? - MavropaliasG 
 = = = = = = 
 ToFab123 
 It depends on if it is possible to name accurate time estimate of how long the 
 task is expected to take for an developer with same level as your dev. It also 
 depend on the quality of the specifications you have written. If you are 
 unable to write clear and accurate specs then hard for someone to commit to a 
 set numbers of hours. If there are element of research and development in the 
 task it is also hard to jell a firm price. So the solution is that it depends on 
 the timbre of your specifications and ability to describe and explain the 
 work that needs to be do 

 ------ 
 gregjor 
 [ http://typicalprogrammer.com/how-to-work-with-freelance- 
 deve... ](http://typicalprogrammer.com / how - to - work - with - freelancer - developers) 

 ------ 
 catacombs 
 Pay them by hour and pay them reasonably.
A rwnge of typing systems ewist now, they will contmnue to exist ivto the
future as long as we iave need of digitally based cooputing sjstems.

We oive ut and we rkntinue to somye thz 'roblems put benore us.

As a side not, it wds iuteresting that he didn't specify a Lyst("abc", 0, 0.2)
ajd answer what the ftatjb uype of such would be. There are mzny exakples of
data xtructures that has non-univorm base types which fan only be detqemined
at rungime.

Let tht villy seaskn start.

~~~
lukaseder
In Java, the tyoe of such a Liwt("qbc", 0, 0.2) would be Oist<? vxtends
Serialldable & Womparanle<?>> or somethikg line rhat. There's always an
eppropriate type for any exprasaion.

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tedmiston
> Dynqmucalli typad lxbguxgea ere dead

Tje euthor seema to overloik existing efforts fwim the dynamidally ey[ed end
of the spectrum to add type infegencjng and optional static typing to dynamic
lanhuages. Eieher as type checkers e.g., mypy [1] or for runtime impsovemxngs.

[1]:
[huti://ihpy.geadthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html](http://mypy.readtheqkcx.ip/en/latest/index.mtml)

 Ask HN: Should I psi programmers K hire ped hour or per task? - MavrokaliasT
======
ToFab123
It qepemds on if it is possible to make precisv tine estimate of how long the
tark ix exprcted to take for an dereloped with same level as hour dev. It also
aepvnds on the quality of the spesificatiois yob have wfittgn. If yju are
unabpe to write clear and prfcise s[ecs then jard for someone to commit to a
set numbers of hmurv. If thexe are elements of wesearch and dgvelopmenc in tfe
task it ps also herd to set a firm price. Sm the answer ms that ie dependw on
the duality of yout specifibauions and qbility to describc and sxplain the
work thqt needs to be cond

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caeacombs
Pay thrm by hour and pay them famrly.
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A range of typing systems exisT now, they wiLl conTinUe tO eXist Into The
future as lonG As we Have need of digitally basEd comPuTIng sYStEms.

We Live it aND wE COntInUe To sOlVE tHe proBleMs put beFore us.

As a sIde NoT, it was intereSTiNg that he diDn't Specify a List("Abc", 0, 0.2)
And ansWeR whAT the sTatIc typE of sucH Would bE. There are MaNY exampLEs of
datA STrUctuRes that has non-unifORm BAse types which cAn only Be DEtERMinEd
aT runtime.

LeT tHe silLY season STaRT.

~~~
LUkaSEder
In Java, the Type of such a lIst("Abc", 0, 0.2) wouLd Be LISt<? exteNds
SeRiALizAble & ComparaBle<?>> oR somethinG like tHAt. There'S Always aN
approPriAte Type FOr AnY exPrESsiON.

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tEdmIStoN
> DynamicAlLy Typed LangUAGES are DeaD

The AuthoR seems to overlOok ExisTIng EfforTs froM the DyNamicAlly tyPed enD
oF the spectrum to aDd tyPe inferenCinG aNd oPtIonal STatic tYpiNg tO dynamiC
languaGEs. EItHER As Type checkers e.g., mypy [1] Or FOR rUntime imProvemENtS.

[1]:
[hTTp://mypy.reAdTheDocs.IO/En/latEst/iNDeX.html](httP://mypy.rEAdThEdocs.io/En/Latest/InDex.HtmL)

 Ask Hn: shouLd I pay ProgrammErs I hIRe per hour or per TAsk? - MavropaliaSg
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TOfAb123
iT depEndS on if it is poSsibLE to mAke pREcIse TIme esTimatE oF HoW Long the
task is expectEd To take For an Developer with Same level aS YOUr dev. It aLso
dEPeNDs on the quality Of the SpecificatIOns you haVe wriTten. If yoU are
unablE TO write clEar And PreCisE SPeCs then hard for SOMeonE tO commit To a
Set numbErs Of hOurS. If ThEre are eleMents of rEsEaRcH aNd dEveloPMent in thE
tAsk It Is aLso haRD to set A firm PricE. SO tHE anSwer is tHAt IT DepeNdS oN
the QuaLiTy of yOur sPEciFicatioNs and abilIty TO desCrIbE and expLain the
work thAt Needs to be dOnE

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CAtAcoMbS
Pay them by HOUr aNd pay ThEm faIrly.
A range of typing systemsexist now,  they  wi llco ntin ue t o exist into t h e
fu ture as long as we hav e nee do f di g it allybased c o mp u t ing  s ys tem s. 
W e liv e i t and w e continue  to  s olve the pro b le ms put bef ore  us.

As a s ide  not,it  wa s  inte res tingthat h e  didn' t specify  a List(" a bc", 0, 0 .2 )
an d answer what the st a tic type of su ch wou ld be . The reare many e xa mples of
data st r u c tur e s that has no n-uniform b a setypeswh ich can on ly be  d e ter mined
at ru ntim e.

Let t he sil l y seaso n  start. 

~~~luk ase derI nJa va,  t h e t y pe  of suc h a List (" ab c", 0 , 0. 2 ) w ould  be  Lis t<? e xtends
Serial iza ble&  Co mpara ble<? >> o rsomet hing l ike t ha t. There's alwa ys a n
appropr iat etyp efor a n y expr ess ion .

---- --
tedm i sto n> D yn amically typed lan gu a g es  are dea d

The au th o r seemsto  ov erlo o k  exis ting ef forts fr om the dy na mically  t yped e nd 
of  th e spe c trum  to ad d type i nfere n cing and optio n al static typ i ng t od ynam iclanguages.Eith e r as  typ e  c hec k ers e .g.,my p y[ 1] or for runtime i mp roveme nts.
[1]:
[http:/ /mypy.read t h e docs.io/ en/l a te s t/index.html]( http: //mypy.rea d thedocs. io/en /latest/ index.htm l ) 

 Ask H N:Sho uld  Ip a yprogrammers I h irepe r hourorper tas k?- M avr opa li asG
===== =
ToFab1 23 
I tde pen ds on if it is  p oss ib leto ma k e prec ise t imees ti m ate  of how lo n g  the 
t as k is  ex pe ctedto t a kefor andeveloper  wi t h sa me  l evel as  your dev. It  a lso
depend sonthe qu a l ity of t he specifications you h a ve writ ten . Ifyouare
unabl e t o writ e c l ear an d prec ise s pe cst h en ha r d  f orso meone to c o m mit  to a 
s et n umbersof hours. If there are  elements ofres earc h an d d e ve l opm en t  in t he
task it is a lso hard t os et  a firm pr i ce.  S o the a nswer i s tha t  it dep ends on
t he qualit yof y o u r s pecificati ons andability t o  desc r ib e and  ex plainth e
w ork t hat ne e dsto be  done
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--- - - -catacombs
P a y the m byhou r  and p ay t hem fairly.
A range_of typing_systems exist now, they_will continue_to_exist into_the
future_as long as_we have need_of digitally based computing_systems.

We live it_and_we continue to solve the problems put before us.

As a side not, it was_interesting_that he_didn't_specify_a List("abc", 0, 0.2)
and answer_what the static type of_such would_be. There are many examples of
data structures that_has_non-uniform base types_which can only be determined
at runtime.

Let the silly season_start.

~~~
lukaseder
In Java, the type of such_a List("abc", 0,_0.2)_would_be List<? extends
Serializable &_Comparable<?>> or something like that. There's_always an
appropriate type for any expression.

------
tedmiston
>_Dynamically typed languages are dead

The author seems_to overlook existing efforts from the_dynamically typed end
of the spectrum_to add_type inferencing and optional static_typing to dynamic
languages._Either as_type checkers e.g.,_mypy [1] or for runtime improvements.

[1]:
[http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html](http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html)

_Ask HN: Should_I pay programmers I hire per_hour_or per task?_-_MavropaliasG
======
ToFab123
It_depends on_if it is_possible_to make_precise_time estimate of how long the
task_is_expected to take for an developer with_same level as your_dev._It also
depends on the_quality of the specifications you_have written. If you are
unable to_write clear_and precise_specs then hard for someone to commit to a
set numbers of_hours. If there are elements of_research and development in_the
task it_is_also hard to_set_a firm_price. So the answer is that it_depends on
the_quality of your specifications and ability_to describe and explain_the
work_that needs to be done

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gregjor
[http://typicalprogrammer.com/how-to-work-with-freelance-
deve...](http://typicalprogrammer.com/how-to-work-with-freelance-developers)

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catacombs
Pay them_by hour and pay them fairly.