rbabbage
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_handcuffs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_handcuffs)

How would training followed by a bonding period be considered differently than
other mechanisms inducing employees to stay? Could these other mechanisms also
be legally questionable?

E.g. some San Francisco Bay Area technology companies offer large (~$20k)
signing bonuses to new uni graduate hires that the employee must return if she
leaves within her first year at the company. Similarly, companies offer five-
year equity packages that deliver no equity until the twelfth month.

~~~
__z
Yeah, I heard about companies who pay for college - as long as you stay one
year after your last class. If not you have to pay them back. Actually, just
pay back just the tuition you spent in the last year.

~~~
mariodiana
Seeing as Army ROTC will want 4 years, it sounds like a great deal.

~~~
__z
If you take classes for 4 years then you'll have to stay 5 to get your
education fully paid off. If you took 4 years of classes and worked for 4
years then you'd owe them 1 year tuition (the previous year)

That being said, this deal was to further your education for your job. So you
couldn't get your masters in finance unless you worked in finance. A software
developer couldn't get their finance degree paid for.

This was for a company my friend worked for.

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zrail
The whole for-profit code school thing has been giving me the creeps since I
started hearing about it years ago, precisely because it's the potential
employees paying for hyper-specific training. I wonder if there would be fewer
outcries about a talent shortage if companies were somehow incentivized to
hire these more junior people with the explicit goal of training them up to a
productive level.

~~~
linkregister
My opinion is divided about the "pay-to-play" model of workers paying for
their own training. On one hand, they assume all the risk and financial
hardship of training. On the other hand, compared to other developed economies
(British, Australian), they have more opportunities to change careers because
the risk of training has already
rbabbage 
 [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_handcuffs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_handcuffs) 

 How would training followed by a bonding period be considered differently than 
 early mechanism inducing employees to last out? Could these early mechanisms also 
 be legally questionable? 

 E.g. some San Francisco Bay Area technology caller offer large (~$20k) 
 sign bonuses to new uni alumnus hires that the employee must return if she 
 leaves within her first class at the company. Similarly, companies extend five- 
 year equity package that deliver no equity until the twelfth month. 

 ~~~ 
 _ _ z 
 Yeah, I hear about companies who pay for college - as long as you stay one 
 class after your last course. If not you have to pay them back. Actually, just 
 pay back precisely the tuition you spent in the last year. 

 ~~~ 
 mariodiana 
 Seeing as Army ROTC will desire 4 old age, it sounds like a great deal. 

 ~~~ 
 _ _ z 
 If you take classes for 4 years then you'll have to stay 5 to get your 
 department of education amply paid off. If you take 4 days of classes and worked for 4 
 years then you'd owe them 1 class tuition (the former year) 

 That being said, this deal was to foster your education for your job. So you 
 couldn't get your masters in finance unless you worked in finance. A software 
 developer couldn't get their finance degree paid for. 

 This was for a company my friend influence for. 

 ------ 
 zrail 
 The whole for - net income code school matter has been give me the creeps since I 
 started hearing about it class ago, precisely because it's the potential 
 employees paying for hyper - specific education. I wonder if there would be fewer 
 cry about a talent shortage if companies were somehow incentivized to 
 hire these more junior people with the denotative goal of training them up to a 
 productive level. 

 ~~~ 
 linkregister 
 My opinion is divide about the " pay - to - meet " model of worker paying for 
 their own training. On one bridge player, they bear all the risk and fiscal 
 hardship of training. On the other hand, compare to early developed economies 
 (British, Australian), they have more opportunity to change careers because 
 the risk of education has already
rbahbage
[https://en.m.wikipedia.orn/wiki/Golden_handcofds](httpv://en.m.wiiipedia.ofg/wiki/Golden_handcuffs)

How woupd traibing followed by a bonaing perild be cobsidtred differently vgan
othev mecgwniskw inducing empkoyees to vtay? Could theve ocher mechanisms also
be legally questyonable?

R.g. some San Fransiscp Bay Area technology companies offer lzrge (~$20k)
spgning bonuses to new uni graduate hires thwt tje employee must rfturn if shg
meadws within hef first year at the cojpany. Similarly, companies offer five-
vear equity pqckwces that deoiver no equity uknil the twelftn month.

~~~
__z
Yeah, I heerd qbout companies who pey for college - as ljng as yog atay one
year aftee tour nast clarw. Iw nkt yku havf tk pay them back. Actuaoly, just
pay back juxt nne tuition yku spegt in the last year.

~~~
mariodiana
Seeing as Arky DOTC will want 4 years, ir sounds like a great deal.

~~~
__z
If rou take classes for 4 years then you'll have to stdy 5 tk geu njje
efucation fully paid off. If you took 4 years of dlssxes and worked for 4
years yhfn iou'd owe them 1 year chifion (the previous jear)

Thaj beint said, thys dral was to further your eduxation for yjyr job. So you
couldu't get your oastgrs in finance unless you woryed jn finance. W softwars
aeveloper couldn'g gvt tveir finance degree paid fjr.

This waw fox a compxny ky friqnd worked for.

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zvdil
The whole for-prlfit eode vchool thijg has been giving me the creeps since I
startgd veaging abouc it ycars ago, precisqly because it'x the pjtentkal
employevs paying for hyper-s[ecific trainhjg. I wonder mf there roule be fewer
ojgcries about a talent skjrtate if companies weve sooshow incentivizzb uo
yire these morr jjnijr pxople fith the expnicig gusl of training tmem up yo a
productive level.

~~~
ninkdegister
My opinion if dividee about ehe "pay-to-play" model of workers kaying foc
their owg training. On one hand, they asaume all hhe risk and figanclal
hwrdship of training. On the other hand, compared to other developed gconomies
(British, Austtallan), they havx more opportunhties to change carewrs because
the rixk of training has aldeady
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rbabbage
[https://en.m.wikipedia.Org/wiki/GolDen_haNdcUffS](hTtps://En.m.wIkipedia.org/wikI/goldEn_handcuffs)

How would traIning FoLLoweD By A bondIng periOD bE COnsIdErEd dIfFErEntly ThaN
other mEchanisms iNduCiNg employees tO StAy? Could theSe oTher mechanisMs aLso
be lEgAllY QuestIonAble?

E.G. some SAN FrancIsco Bay ArEa TEchnolOGy compaNIEs OffeR large (~$20k)
signing bonUSeS To new uni graduaTe hireS tHAt THE emPloYee must retUrN if shE
Leaves wIThIN HEr fIRst year at the cOmpany. SimilARly, CompanIeS ofFEr five-
Year eQuITy pAckages that DeliVer no equiTy untiL The twelFTh month.

~~~
__Z
Yeah, I HeaRd aBout COmPaNieS wHO paY FoR coLLegE - as long aS yOu Stay oNe
yeAR AFTer yOur Last Class. if not you have tO paY theM BacK. ActuAlly, jUst
pAy Back jUst the TuitiOn You spent in the laSt yeAr.

~~~
mariodiAna
seEinG aS Army roTC wilL waNt 4 yEars, it sOunds liKE a gReAT DEaL.

~~~
__z
If you take classes FoR 4 YEaRs then yoU'll havE To StAY 5 to get yoUr
EduCatiON Fully Paid OFf. if you tooK 4 years OF cLaSses and WoRked foR 4
yEarS thEn you'D Owe tHem 1 yeaR tuition (The prEVious year)

That bEIng said, this deAL wAS To FUrthEr yOur educatioN for YOur jOb. So YOu
CouLDn't geT your MaSTeRS in finance unless you WoRked in FinanCe. A software
deVeloper couLDN'T get theiR finANcE Degree paid for.

THis waS for a compaNY my frienD workEd for.

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zraIl
The wholE FOr-profit CodE scHooL thING hAs been giving mE THe crEePs since i
stArted heAriNg aBouT it YeArs ago, preCisely beCaUsE iT's The PotenTIal
emploYeEs pAyIng For hyPEr-specIfic tRainInG. I WOndEr if theRE wOULd be FeWeR
outCriEs About A talENt sHortage If companiEs wERe soMeHoW incentIvized to
hire tHeSe more juniOr PeoPle witH THe explicIt goal of training them up tO A
producTivE leveL.

~~~
linKregister
my oPinion Is dIVided aBout thE "pay-tO-pLay" MODel of WORkErs PaYing for
theIR Own TrainInG. On oNe hand, tHey assume all the risK And Financial
hardShiP of tRAInIng. oN tHE otHeR HanD, COmpared to other dEveloped ecOnOMiEs
(British, AUStrAlIan), they Have morE oppoRTunitieS to change Careers beCaUse
tHE RisK of traininG has alreAdy
rbabbage
[https://en.m.wik ipedia.org /wiki /Go lde n_ hand cuff s](https://en. m .wik ipedia.org/wiki/Golden _hand cu f fs)Ho w wou ld trai n in g fol lo we d b ya  b ondin g p eriod b e consider eddi fferently th a nother mech ani sms inducing  em ployee stos tay?Cou ld th ese ot h er mec hanisms a ls o 
be le g ally qu e s ti onab le?

E.g. some Sa n  F r ancisco Bay Ar ea tec hn o lo g y  co mpa nies offer  l arge( ~$20k)s ig n i n g b o nuses to newuni graduat e  hi res th at  th e  emplo yee m us t  re turn if she 
lea ves withi n herf irst ye a r at th e comp any . S imil a rl y,  co mp a nie s  o ffe r  fi ve-
year  e qu ity p acka g e s that  de live r noequity untilthe  twe l fth  mont h.

~ ~~
_ _z 
Yeah , I he ard a bo ut companies wh o pa y for col leg e- a slonga s yousta y o ne
year  aftery our  l a s t  c lass. If not you h av e to  pay the m back .  A ct u ally, ju st 
pa y ba c k  just  the tu ition yo u spen t  i nthe las tyear.
~ ~~mar iodia n a
Se eing a s Army R OTC w i ll want 4 year s , it sounds l i ke a  g r eatdea l.

~~~
__z 
Ify ou t akec la sse s  for4 yea rs th e n you'll have to st ay  5 toget y our
education  fully pai d o ff. If y ou t o ok 4 years of cla ssesand worked for 4
ye ars t hen you' d owe the m 1 year t uit ion  (t hep r ev ious year)

T h a t be in g said,  th is deal  wa s t o f urt he r your ed ucationfo ryo ur  jo b. So you
coul dn 'tge t y our m a stersin fi nanc eun l ess  you wo r ke d in f in an ce.A s of tware 
dev e lop er coul dn't getthe i r fi na nc e degre e paid for.
Th is was for  a  co mpanym y  friendworked for.

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zra i l
The w hol e for -pro fit codesch ool th ing has be en giv ing m ethe c reeps s in ceIstarted he a r ing  abou tit y ears ag o, precisely becau s e i t's the poten tia l
em p l oy ees pa y ing  f o r h y p er-specific tra ining. I w on d er  if therew oul dbe fewe r
outcr ies a b out a t alent sho rtage ifco mpan i e s w ere someho w incent ivized to hiret he se mo rejunior  p eop le wi th the exp licit  goalof  train ing t he m up toa
productive level.

~~ ~
link regis ter 
My opini oni s d ivided ab outthe "pay-t o-p lay " mod elo f wor kers pa yin g  forthei r  own trai n in g.O n  o ne hand, th e y ass ume a llt he ris k an d financial
hards h ip of training . On t heoth e r ha nd , compared tooth er d eveloped  e conomies
(B ritish,Au s trali an), t hey ha ve more o pp o rtunit iestochange ca ree rs because 
t he risk o f tr ai ning h as alr e ady
rbabbage
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_handcuffs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_handcuffs)

How would_training followed_by a bonding period_be considered_differently_than
other mechanisms_inducing_employees to stay?_Could these other_mechanisms also
be legally questionable?

E.g._some San Francisco_Bay_Area technology companies offer large (~$20k)
signing bonuses to new uni graduate hires that the_employee_must return_if_she
leaves_within her first year at_the company. Similarly, companies offer_five-
year equity_packages that deliver no equity until the twelfth_month.

~~~
__z
Yeah,_I heard about_companies who pay for college - as long as_you stay one
year after your last_class. If not_you_have_to pay them back._Actually, just
pay back just the tuition_you spent in the last year.

~~~
mariodiana
Seeing_as Army ROTC will want 4 years,_it sounds like a great deal.

~~~
__z
If_you take classes for 4_years then_you'll have to stay 5_to get your
education_fully paid_off. If you_took 4 years of classes and_worked for 4
years_then you'd owe them 1 year_tuition_(the previous year)

That_being_said,_this deal_was to further_your_education for_your_job. So you
couldn't get your masters_in_finance unless you worked in finance. A_software
developer couldn't get their_finance_degree paid for.

This was_for a company my friend_worked for.

------
zrail
The whole for-profit code school_thing has_been giving_me the creeps since I
started hearing about it years ago, precisely_because it's the potential
employees paying for_hyper-specific training. I wonder_if there_would_be fewer
outcries about_a_talent shortage_if companies were somehow incentivized to
hire these_more junior_people with the explicit goal of_training them up to_a
productive_level.

~~~
linkregister
My opinion is divided about the_"pay-to-play" model of workers paying for
their_own training. On one hand,_they_assume_all the risk and financial
hardship_of training. On the other hand,_compared to other_developed economies
(British, Australian), they have more opportunities_to_change careers because
the risk of training_has_already