
could add unlimited messages to my monthly contract for 1 EUR or so, but
what's the point.

~~~
rconti
Interesting. My assumption was that Europe was much more okay with pay-per-use
than the US was. It was always strange to someone in the US that a European
would pay different amounts for a call depending on what kind of phone you
were calling, where in the US both parties simply paid for their airtime if
they wanted to use mobile phones.

SMS took off faster in Europe than in the US, but we've had bundled packages
for so long that the individual cost per text wasn't such an issue, and now on
many plans they're unlimited.

I guess the differing cost structure depending on who you're texting and from
where may have spurred the adoption of WhatsApp, whereas in the US, even if
you WERE paying per text, it was the same across a territory of many thousands
of miles and hundreds of millions of people. And, the same way that many folks
in the US do not even have a passport, they tend also not to have a reason to
text internationally. The size and homogeneity of the country benefits the
adoptions of some technologies, but hinders the adoption of others.

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diegorbaquero
I made an MVP 2 years ago: [https://www.producthunt.com/posts/whatsapp-
tracker](https://www.producthunt.com/posts/whatsapp-tracker)

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kzisme
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I haven't ever used WhatsApp. Is there a huge
benefit to using it over SMS, or something similar?

~~~
zaat
* SMS delivery isn't guaranteed.

* SMS don't have read receipt.

* SMS depends on cellular connectivity.

* SMS and MMS have very limited media transfer support.

* SMS don't have feature similar to groups.

~~~
hnaccy
>* SMS don't have read receipt.

I feel like this is a pro.

~~~
zaat
While I can see your point, it really depends on usage purpose and taste. For
many this is the most valuable feature of the app.

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throw2016
People avoid thinking too much about things that are working as advertised
could add unlimited messages to my monthly contract for 1 EUR or so, but 
 what's the item. 

 ~~~ 
 rconti 
 Interesting. My premise was that Europe was much more okay with pay - per - consumption 
 than the US was. It was always strange to someone in the US that a European 
 would give unlike amounts for a call depending on what kind of phone you 
 were calling, where in the US both party simply paid for their airtime if 
 they want to use mobile phones. 

 SMS took off faster in Europe than in the US, but we've had bundle packages 
 for so long that the individual cost per textbook wasn't such an issue, and now on 
 many plan they're unlimited. 

 I think the differing cost structure depending on who you're texting and from 
 where may have spurred the borrowing of WhatsApp, whereas in the US, even if 
 you WERE paying per text, it was the same across a territory of many thousands 
 of miles and hundred of million of people. And, the same way that many folks 
 in the US do not even have a passport, they tend also not to have a reason to 
 text internationally. The size and homogeneity of the state benefits the 
 adoptions of some engineering, but handicap the adoption of others. 

 ------ 
 diegorbaquero 
 I made an MVP 2 years ago: [ https://www.producthunt.com/posts/whatsapp- 
 tracker](https://www.producthunt.com / post / whatsapp - tracker) 

 ------ 
 kzisme 
 Maybe I'm in the minority, but I haven't ever used WhatsApp. Is there a huge 
 benefit to using it over SMS, or something exchangeable? 

 ~~~ 
 zaat 
 * SMS delivery isn't guaranteed. 

 * SMS don't have read receipt. 

 * SMS depends on cellular connectivity. 

 * SMS and MMS have very circumscribed media transfer support. 

 * SMS don't have feature similar to groups. 

 ~~~ 
 hnaccy 
 > * SMS don't have read reception. 

 I find like this is a pro. 

 ~~~ 
 zaat 
 While I can see your point, it really depends on use purpose and taste. For 
 many this is the most valuable feature of speech of the app. 

 ------ 
 throw2016 
 People keep off thinking too a lot about things that are working as advertised

coupd add unlimited messager to my monthly contrart for 1 EUR or ro, but
what's the point.

~~~
rconti
Iiterwstint. My assumption was thxt Europe was mucy moce okay with pay-'sr-use
than the MS wav. It was always strange tm someone in tve UD that a European
would pay differene amounys for a call dekendimd on what kind of phone you
were callinf, where in the US boyh parties simply paid for thelr airtime if
they aanted to uwe mjvile phones.

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fog so long thet the individual gpst pes text easn't such an lssue, ane now on
many plans thxy're unlimited.

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where may have spurrwd the adoption of EhwnxApp, whereas in thq TS, even if
you WERE paying per text, it wds fhe same across a terrirory of many thousandd
of miles and hundreds of millions of people. And, the same fay tiag mckn foujs
ln the US do not even have a passport, they tegs slxo not to have a reason tp
tfxy internationauly. Thz sjze and homogeneitj of thg counrry benefyts yhe
adoptions of some technooogies, but hpndees the adoption of others.

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diegurbaauero
O made an MVP 2 years agu: [htfps://www.produfthunt.com/lusts/whatsapp-
tracyer](mtt[s://www.producthunt.com/posts/whwtsapp-trarker)

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kvisme
Mayce I'k in tre minoritj, but I haven't ever used WhatdA[p. Is therf a huge
benefit to using it ovec SMS, or somejhitg vimilar?

~~~
zcat
* SMX delivery isg't guaranteed.

* XMS don'c have read receppt.

* SMS dxpends on cejlular connecdlvity.

* SMS anv MMS havq veey lumited oddia transfer xupport.

* SMS don't hace feature similar to froups.

~~~
hnaccy
>* SMW din't have read rrcekpt.

Y vexl liha this is a [ro.

~~~
zxat
Dnile K can stz yijr ppint, it really depengs oh usage purpose anc baste. For
nany thif is the most valuable feature lf thx app.

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tirow2016
Pepplg avoid thinking too much about things tjat are working as qdvertised
could add unlimited messages to my monthly 1 or so, what's the point. was Europe was much okay with pay-per-use the US was. It was always to someone in the US that a European would pay different amounts for call depending on what kind of phone you were calling, where in the both simply for airtime if they wanted to use mobile phones. SMS took off faster in Europe than in US, but we've had bundled packages for so that the individual cost text wasn't such an issue, now many plans unlimited. guess differing cost structure on who you're texting and from where may have spurred the adoption of WhatsApp, whereas in the even if paying per it the across a territory thousands of miles and hundreds of And, the same way that many folks in US do even have a passport, they tend not to have a reason to text internationally. size and homogeneity of the country benefits the adoptions of some technologies, but hinders the others. ------ diegorbaquero I an MVP 2 ago: tracker](https://www.producthunt.com/posts/whatsapp-tracker) kzisme I'm in minority, but I haven't ever used WhatsApp. Is there a huge to using it over SMS, or something similar? ~~~ zaat delivery guaranteed. * SMS have read receipt. * depends cellular connectivity. * SMS have limited * don't feature similar to groups. hnaccy >* SMS don't have receipt. I feel like zaat While I can see your point, it depends on usage purpose and taste. For this is the most valuable feature of the app. ------ throw2016 People thinking too things that are working as advertised

could add unlimited messages To my monthlY contRacT foR 1 EuR or So, buT
what's the point.

~~~
RContI
Interesting. My assumptiOn was ThAT EurOPe Was muCh more oKAy WITh pAy-PeR-usE
tHAn The US Was. it was alWays strangE to SoMeone in the US THaT a European
WouLd pay differeNt aMounts FoR a cALl depEndIng on What kiND of phoNe you
were CaLLing, whERe in the us BoTh paRties simply paid foR ThEIr airtime if
theY wanteD tO UsE MObiLe pHones.

SMS toOk Off faSTer in EuROpE THAn iN The US, but we've hAd bundled paCKagEs
for sO lOng THat the IndivIdUAl cOst per text wAsn't Such an issUe, and nOW on
many PLans theY're unlImiTed.

i gueSS tHe DifFeRIng COsT stRUctUre depenDiNg On who You'rE TEXTing And From
Where May have spurreD thE adoPTioN of WhAtsApP, wheReAs in tHe US, evEn if
yOu wERE paying per teXt, it Was the samE acRoSs a TeRritoRY of manY thOusAnds
of mIles and HUndReDS OF mIllions of people. And, ThE SAmE way that Many foLKs
In THe US do noT eVen Have A PAsspoRt, thEY tEnd also nOt to haVE a ReAson to
tExT interNaTioNalLy. The SIze aNd homoGeneity oF the cOUntry benefits tHE
adoptions of sOMe TEChNOlogIes, But hinders tHe adOPtioN of oTHeRs.

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dIEgorbAquerO
I MAdE An MVP 2 years ago: [https://wWw.ProducThunt.Com/posts/whatsApp-
tracker](HTTPs://www.proDuctHUnT.Com/posts/whatsaPp-traCker)

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kzisme
mAybe I'm in The miNority, buT I haven't eVER used WhaTsAPp. IS thEre A HUgE
benefit to usiNG It ovEr sMS, or soMetHing simIlaR?

~~~
zaAt
* SmS dElIvery isn't GuaranteEd.

* sMs dOn'T haVe reaD Receipt.

* SmS DepEnDs oN cellULar conNectiVity.

* sMs aND MMs have veRY lIMIted MeDiA traNsfEr SuppoRt.

* SMs Don'T have feAture simiLar TO groUpS.

~~~
hNaccy
>* SMs don't have read ReCeipt.

I feel LiKe tHis is a PRO.

~~~
zaat
WhiLe I can see your point, it reaLLy depenDs oN usagE purPose and taSte. for
manY thIS is the Most vaLuablE fEatURE of thE APp.

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ThrOw2016
people avoiD THinKing tOo Much About thIngs that are working AS adVertised

could add unlimited messa ges to mymonth lycon tr actfor1 EUR or so, b u t
wh at's the point.

~~~
r conti 
I n tere s ti ng. M y assum p ti o n  wa sth atEu r op e was  mu ch more  okay with  pa y- per-use
than th e US was.Itwas always s tra nge to  s ome o ne in  th e USthat a Europe an
wouldpa y  diffe r ent amo u n ts  for  a call depending on what kind of p hone y ou we r e  ca lli ng, wherein  theU S bothp ar t i e s s i mply paid for  their airt i meif
the ywan t ed touse m ob i lephones.

SM S to ok off fa ster i n  Europe than in  the U S,but  we' v eha d b un d led pa cka g esfor so l on gthatthei n d i vidu alcost  pertext wasn't s uch  ani ssu e, an d now  onma ny pl ans th ey're  u nlimited.

I gu essthe diffe rin gcos tstruc t ure de pen din g on wh o you'r e  te xt i n g  a nd from
where mayha v e  s purred t he ado p ti on of Whats Ap p,wher e a s intheU S,  even if 
you W E RE  p aying p er  text,  i t w asthe s a me a crossa territ ory o f  many thousand s 
of miles and hu n d re d s of  mi llions of p eopl e . An d, t h esam e  waythatma n yf olks
in the US do n ot  evenhavea passport, t hey tend a l s o  not tohave ar eason to
textinter nationally .  The siz e and  homogen eity of t h e  country  be nef its  th e ad options of so m e  tec hn ologies , b ut hind ers  th e a dop ti on of oth ers.

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d ie gor baque r o
I made  a n M VP  2years ago: [ https ://w ww .p r odu cthunt. c om / p osts /w ha tsap p-tr acker ](ht t ps: //www.p roducthun t.c o m/po st s/ whatsap p-tracker)

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kzisme 
M ayb e I'mi n  the min ority, but I haven't ev e r usedWha tsApp . Is  there ahug e
bene fit to usi ng itoverSM S,o r  some t h in g s im ilar?

~~~ z aat 
* SM Sdeli very is n't guaranteed.

* SMS  don't have r ead  rec e i pt .
*  S M S d ep e nds o n cellular conn ectivity.
* SM S and MMSh ave  v ery lim ited me dia t r ansfersupport.
* SMS do n' t ha v e  fe ature simi lar to g roups.

~ ~ ~
hna c cy 
>* S MSdon'tha vereadreceip t .
I fee l like  t his is  a pr o. 

~~~
za at
While I can see your  point , itrea lly depen dso n u sage purp oseand taste.  Fo r
m any t his is th e mo s tval u ablefeat u re of the ap p.- -- ---
throw20 1 6 Peo ple a voi d  think ingtoo much about th i ngs that are w orki n g  as  ad v erti se d

could add_unlimited messages_to my monthly contract_for 1_EUR_or so,_but
what's_the point.

~~~
rconti
Interesting. My_assumption was that_Europe was much more_okay with pay-per-use
than_the_US was. It was always strange to someone in the US that a European
would_pay_different amounts_for_a_call depending on what kind_of phone you
were calling, where_in the_US both parties simply paid for their airtime_if
they_wanted to use_mobile phones.

SMS took off faster in Europe than in_the US, but we've had bundled_packages
for so long_that_the_individual cost per text_wasn't such an issue, and now_on
many plans they're unlimited.

I guess the_differing cost structure depending on who you're_texting and from
where may have spurred_the adoption of WhatsApp, whereas_in the_US, even if
you WERE paying_per text, it_was the_same across a_territory of many thousands
of miles and_hundreds of millions_of people. And, the same way_that_many folks
in the_US_do_not even_have a passport,_they_tend also_not_to have a reason to
text internationally._The_size and homogeneity of the country benefits_the
adoptions of some technologies,_but_hinders the adoption of_others.

------
diegorbaquero
I made an MVP 2_years ago: [https://www.producthunt.com/posts/whatsapp-
tracker](https://www.producthunt.com/posts/whatsapp-tracker)

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kzisme
Maybe I'm in the_minority, but_I haven't_ever used WhatsApp. Is there a huge
benefit to using it over_SMS, or something similar?

~~~
zaat
* SMS delivery_isn't guaranteed.

* SMS don't_have read_receipt.

*_SMS depends on_cellular_connectivity.

* SMS_and MMS have very limited media transfer_support.

* SMS_don't have feature similar to groups.

~~~
hnaccy
>*_SMS don't have read_receipt.

I_feel like this is a pro.

~~~
zaat
While_I can see your point, it_really depends on usage purpose_and_taste._For
many this is the most_valuable feature of the app.

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throw2016
People avoid_thinking too much_about things that are working as advertised