 excited, though, that the centralized cloud will
likely be replaced in my lifetime.

[1] [http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao](http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao)

~~~
braveo
strangely enough, I've been expecting that as well, but reading your blog
post, I differ on how it will be realized.

I think it's more likely people will instead carry identities that describe
the applications they have access to, and be able to load those on devices for
their identity only, down to the point of being able to walk up to a new PC,
attaching the identity, and then having access to the apps on that new PC.

It'll be a 90% solution that's forced to deal with DRM and safe enough remote
execution, but it'll also allow you to access your documents from anywhere
with a connection.

I know you specifically disagree with the idea of synchronization, but that's
more feasible than what you're suggesting imo. synchronizing a document is
going to be as simple as saving it into the cloud and fetching a delta at the
endpoints.

This will necessarily not work for certain types of applications, no one is
probably going to try and do actual CAD work on the go, although they may view
it. But for most things it'll work well enough.

~~~
ryandamm
Onshape.com - check it out. WebGL is good enough for some CAD users.

~~~
braveo
The issue isn't just one of performance, but form factor and input mechanisms.

------
edblarney
I really don't buy it.

In every case he described current devices (cars, watches) - they are
increasing in 'cpu/storage' \- but they always have been doing this.

Is their something that inherently changes the topology?

Not really.

Cars will be able to id stop signs - which is naturally a local function, just
like 'backup cameras' are a local function today... but some things like
messaging, gps services, customer data, big data - it's going to be on a
server somewhere.

Why would your car need to talk directly to your blender?

'The cloud' has really more to do with local/small/office servers moving into
excited, though, that the centralized cloud will 
 likely be replaced in my life. 

 [ 1 ] [ http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao](http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao) 

 ~~~ 
 braveo 
 queerly enough, I've been expect that as well, but reading your web log 
 post, I differ on how it will be realized. 

 I remember it's more likely people will alternatively carry identities that identify 
 the applications they have entree to, and be able to load those on devices for 
 their identity only, down to the item of being able to walk up to a new PC, 
 attach the identity, and then having access to the apps on that new personal computer. 

 It'll be a 90% solution that's forced to deal with DRM and dependable enough remote 
 murder, but it'll also admit you to access your documents from anywhere 
 with a connection. 

 I know you specifically disagree with the theme of synchronization, but that's 
 more feasible than what you're suggesting imo. synchronizing a document is 
 going to be as simple as saving it into the cloud and fetching a delta at the 
 endpoints. 

 This will necessarily not work for certain types of applications, no one is 
 probably go to try and do actual computer-aided design workplace on the crack, although they may view 
 it. But for most things it'll shape well enough. 

 ~~~ 
 ryandamm 
 Onshape.com - check it out. WebGL is good enough for some CAD users. 

 ~~~ 
 braveo 
 The issue isn't barely one of performance, but form factor and input mechanisms. 

 ------ 
 edblarney 
 I really don't bribe it. 

 In every case he described current devices (cars, watches) - they are 
 increasing in' cpu / storehouse' \- but they always have been doing this. 

 Is their something that inherently changes the topology? 

 Not really. 

 cable car will be able to i d stop signs - which is naturally a local function, just 
 like' backup cameras' are a local function today... but some thing like 
 messaging, global positioning system services, customer data, big data - it's going to be on a 
 waiter somewhere. 

 Why would your car need to talk directly to your blender? 

' The swarm' has really more to do with local / little / office server moving into
 exfited, though, that the cektralized cloud cull
likxly be deplaced in my lifetime.

[1] [http://tiamat.tsltwch.con/pao](http://tiamat.tsotech.cum/pao)

~~~
bravvo
strangeoy eiough, I've been eelecting that zd weno, but reading iour blog
posd, I differ on vod nt will be realized.

I think it's more jikely lelple will instgad cswry jdentities that describe
the applicztions uhey have access tp, and be able to load thosf on devices for
their ldentity onoy, djqn to the poknt of being able to wzlk up to a new PC,
attaching the idencity, and thgu haghng access vo the apps on thab new PW.

It'll br a 90% solution bhat's foeced to deal with DRM and safe enough rgmote
execudikn, but it'll also qloow ymu tm aczwss yohr dkcumenhs hrom anywhede
with a cobnection.

I know you xpqbofically diszgree rieh the idea of synchronization, but that'v
mode feasible than what yiu're suggesting imo. sinchronizigg a document is
going to be as simple as saving id intk tht gjuyd and fetching a delta at the
endpoints.

This wilj ntcexsarily not wovk for certain typrs og applications, no onz ia
probably going to try anq do qctual CAQ wotk on the go, although they nay view
it. Blt fir most things it'lp work well enoogh.

~~~
ryamdamm
Onshape.com - check nt out. WebGL is glod enougg for some CAD usdrs.

~~~
nraeeo
The issue isn't just one of perfocmancz, but fofm fsctor wnd input lechakhsms.

------
edblarney
I reaply dln'd buy it.

In every case he described currenv devices (carx, fatbhes) - thev are
ikcreasing in 'cpt/storage' \- but jhey alwavs havd been doihg this.

Ms their somqthing that itjerently chaiges the eopooogy?

Bot reauuy.

Cars will be able to pd stop signs - which is katurxmly a local funeuiob, just
like 'backip zamqrws' awa a local futctiun gpday... cut somt tmines loke
messaging, gps sereicea, customer data, bib qata - it'w going eo be on a
serfer somewhere.

Why wluld bour cer neec tj talk directly to your blended?

'The clouf' hws really mowe ti do with loeal/small/office servers moving into
excited, though, that the centralized cloud will replaced my lifetime. [http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao](http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao) ~~~ braveo that well, but reading blog post, I on how it will be realized. think it's more likely people will instead carry identities that describe the applications have access to, and be able to load those on devices for their only, to point being able to walk up to a new PC, attaching the identity, and then having access the apps on that new PC. It'll be 90% solution that's forced deal with DRM and safe remote but it'll allow to your documents from with a connection. I know you specifically disagree with the idea of synchronization, but that's more feasible what you're synchronizing a is to as simple as into the cloud and fetching a endpoints. This will necessarily not work for certain of applications, one is probably going to try do actual CAD work on the go, although may view it. But for most things it'll work well enough. ~~~ ryandamm Onshape.com - out. WebGL is good for some CAD ~~~ The isn't one of but form factor and input mechanisms. ------ edblarney I really don't it. In every case he described current devices (cars, watches) are in 'cpu/storage' \- they always have been this. their something that inherently topology? really. able id signs - which is a local function, just like cameras' are a local like messaging, gps services, customer data, big data it's going to be on a server Why would your car need to talk directly to your blender? 'The has really do with local/small/office servers moving into
 excited, though, that the centrAlized clouD will
LikEly Be ReplAced In my lifetime.

[1] [htTP://tiaMat.tsotech.com/pao](http://tiAmat.tSoTEch.cOM/pAo)

~~~
braVeo
straNGeLY EnoUgH, I'Ve bEeN ExPectiNg tHat as weLl, but readiNg yOuR blog
post, I diFFeR on how it wiLl bE realized.

I thInk It's morE lIkeLY peopLe wIll inStead cARry ideNtities thAt DEscribE
The applICAtIons They have access to, aND bE Able to load thosE on devIcES fOR
TheIr iDentity onlY, dOwn to THe point OF bEING abLE to walk up to a nEw PC,
attachiNG thE identItY, anD Then haVing aCcESs tO the apps on tHat nEw PC.

It'll bE a 90% soluTIon that'S Forced tO deal wIth dRM And sAFe EnOugH rEMotE
ExEcuTIon, But it'll aLsO aLlow yOu to ACCESs yoUr dOcumEnts fRom anywhere
wiTh a ConnECtiOn.

I knOw you SpecIfIcallY disagRee wiTh The idea of synchrOnizAtion, but tHat'S
mOre FeAsiblE Than whAt yOu'rE suggesTing imo. SYncHrONIZiNg a document is
going To BE As Simple as Saving IT iNtO The cloud AnD feTchiNG A deltA at tHE
eNdpoints.

this wiLL nEcEssarilY nOt work FoR ceRtaIn typES of aPplicaTions, no oNe is
pRObably going to tRY and do actual Cad wORK oN The gO, alThough they mAy viEW
it. BUt foR MoSt tHIngs iT'll woRk WElL Enough.

~~~
ryandamm
OnshaPe.Com - cheCk it oUt. WebGL is good Enough for sOME cAD users.

~~~
BravEO
THE issue isn't just One of PerformancE, But form fActor And input MechanismS.

------
EDblarney
i reAllY doN't bUY It.

in every case he DEScriBeD currenT deVices (caRs, wAtcHes) - TheY aRe
increasIng in 'cpu/StOrAgE' \- bUt tHey alWAys have bEeN doInG thIs.

Is tHEir somEthinG thaT iNhERenTly chanGEs THE topOlOgY?

Not ReaLlY.

Cars Will BE abLe to id sTop signs - wHicH Is naTuRaLly a locAl function, jusT
lIke 'backup cAmEraS' are a lOCAl functiOn today... but some things likE
MessagiNg, gPs serViceS, customer DatA, big daTa - iT'S going To be on A
servEr SomEWHere.

WHY WoUld YoUr car need tO TAlk DirecTlY to yOur blenDer?

'The cloud' has realLY moRe to do with locAl/sMall/OFFiCe sERvERs mOvINg iNTO
 excited, though, that the  centraliz ed cl oud  wi ll 
lik elybe replaced in my l ifetime.

[1] [http:// tiama t. t sote c h. com/p ao](htt p :/ / t iam at .t sot ec h .c om/pa o)
~~~
br aveo
stran gel yenough, I've be en expecti ngthat as well , b ut rea di ngy our b log 
post , I di f fer on  how it w il l  be re a lized.I  t hink  it's more likely pe o ple will inste ad car ry id e n tit ies  that desc ri be
th e  applic a ti o n s  th e y have access  to, and be abl e to l oa d t h ose on  devi ce s  fo r
their ide ntit y only, d own to the poi n t of be ing ab letowalk up  t o a  n e w P C ,att a chi ng the i de nt ity,andt h e n  hav ing  acc ess t o the apps on  th at n e w P C.

I t'llbe a  9 0% so lution  that 's  forced to deal  wit h DRM and  sa fe  en ou gh re m ote
ex ecu tio n, butit'll a l soal l o w  y ou to access yourdo c u me nts from  anywh e re 
w i th a con ne cti on.I  know  you sp ecifical ly dis a gr ee  with t he  ideaof  sy nch roniz a tion , butthat's
m ore f e asible than wh a t you're sugg e st i n gi mo.syn chronizinga do c umen t is go ing to be  as s im p le as saving it into t he  cloud  andfetching a de lta at the e n dpoints. 

Th i sw ill necessaril y not  work forc ertain t ypesof appli cations,n o  one ispro bab lygoi n g  t o try and doa c tual  C AD work  on  the go , a lth oug h t he y may vie w
it. Bu tfo rmo stthing s  it'll w or k w el l e nough . 

~~~ryand ammOn sh a pe. com - c h ec k it o ut .WebG L i sgoodenou g h f or some  CAD user s.~~~br av eo
Theissue isn't j us t one of p er for mance, b ut formfactor and input mechan i sms.

- --- --
ed blar ney
I rea lly  don't  bu y  it.
In eve ry ca se  he d escri b e dcur re nt devices ( car s, wa tc hes)  - they  are
increasing in 'cp u/storage' \-  bu t th e y  a lwa y sh ave  b e end o ing this.

Is t heir somet hi n gthat inher e ntl ychanges  the to polog y ?

Notreally.
Cars will  b e ab l e  to  id stop s igns - w hich is n a tural l ya loc alfuncti on , j ust
l ike 'b a cku p cam eras'ar e a lo cal f un ction to day... but some thingslike
m essag ing , gps ser vic e s,customerdata , big data  -it' s goi ngt o beon a se rve r  some wher e .

Why wo u ld  yo u r  c ar need tot a l k d irect lyt o your  ble nder?

'The cloud '  has really mo re t o dowit h  loc al /small/officeser ve r s  movingin to
 excited,_though, that_the centralized cloud will
likely_be replaced_in_my lifetime.

[1]_[http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao](http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao)

~~~
braveo
strangely_enough, I've been_expecting that as_well, but reading your_blog
post, I differ_on_how it will be realized.

I think it's more likely people will instead carry identities_that_describe
the applications_they_have_access to, and be able_to load those on devices_for
their identity_only, down to the point of being able_to_walk up to_a new PC,
attaching the identity, and then having access_to the apps on that new_PC.

It'll be a_90%_solution_that's forced to deal_with DRM and safe enough remote
execution,_but it'll also allow you to_access your documents from anywhere
with a connection.

I_know you specifically disagree with the_idea of synchronization, but that's
more_feasible than_what you're suggesting imo. synchronizing_a document is
going_to be_as simple as_saving it into the cloud and_fetching a delta_at the
endpoints.

This will necessarily not work_for_certain types of_applications,_no_one is
probably_going to try_and_do actual_CAD_work on the go, although they_may_view
it. But for most things it'll work_well enough.

~~~
ryandamm
Onshape.com - check_it_out. WebGL is good_enough for some CAD users.

~~~
braveo
The_issue isn't just one of performance,_but form_factor and_input mechanisms.

------
edblarney
I really don't buy it.

In every case he described current_devices (cars, watches) - they are
increasing_in 'cpu/storage' \- but_they always_have_been doing this.

Is_their_something that_inherently changes the topology?

Not really.

Cars will be_able to_id stop signs - which is_naturally a local function,_just
like_'backup cameras' are a local function_today... but some things like
messaging, gps_services, customer data, big data_-_it's_going to be on a
server_somewhere.

Why would your car need to_talk directly to_your blender?

'The cloud' has really more to_do_with local/small/office servers moving into