«ungoogle the internet»[1].

I really wish Mozilla tried doing the same thing, with their much bigger
manpower and communication impact.

[1]: [https://degooglisons-internet.org/liste?l=en](https://degooglisons-
internet.org/liste?l=en)

~~~
Feniks
Un Google the internet? I hope so but almost every remotely commercial site
out there uses Google services.

~~~
littlestymaar
People use Google's services (and other privately owned, and «you are the
product», ones) because it's the most convenient way they know about.
Sometimes it's because it's the most convenient way (lack of credible
competition, self-hosting isn't an option for many companies), and sometimes
it's because the alternatives are less known (commercial products based on
OpenStreetMap are way better than what google maps offer, but few people know
about them).

An organization like Mozilla could make open-source-based and privacy-aware
services for many Google products with ease if they wanted to. (I mean,
Framasoft is doing it already and it's a really tiny French non-profit
organization!)

------
that_guy1
I think for this to be successful you need to encourage users to server the
videos. There are a couple things that might help this:

\- Popularity could be based not only on views, but how many total minutes of
the video were shared by other people.

\- When someone watches a video, they have to keep hosting it until they share
as much as they've watched it (so if they watched 10 minutes, they have to
share it until they've distributed 10 minutes worth of the video to other
people.

~~~
cwkoss
Make them share for ~10% longer than they consumed for a more robust network.

~~~
KallDrexx
Most people have terrible upload speeds compared to download speeds. In my
neighborhood most people (by choice because they aren't tech savy and don't
care) have AT&T DSL with 40Mbps download but 2Mbps upload. This means that for
a good quality 10 minute video at 720p with a bitrate of 3mbps they would have
to seed for significantly
« ungoogle the internet»[1 ]. 

 I really wish Mozilla tried doing the same matter, with their a lot big 
 manpower and communication impingement. 

 [ 1 ]: [ https://degooglisons-internet.org/liste?l=en](https://degooglisons- 
 internet.org/liste?l=en) 

 ~~~ 
 Feniks 
 Un Google the internet? I hope then but almost every remotely commercial site 
 away there uses Google services. 

 ~~~ 
 littlestymaar 
 People practice Google's service (and other privately own, and « you are the 
 product », ones) because it's the most convenient direction they know about. 
 Sometimes it's because it's the most convenient way (lack of credible 
 competition, self - hosting isn't an choice for many companies), and sometimes 
 it's because the alternatives are less known (commercial products base on 
 OpenStreetMap are way better than what google maps volunteer, but few people acknowledge 
 about them). 

 An organization like Mozilla could make open - source - based and privacy - mindful 
 services for many Google products with ease if they wanted to. (I mean, 
 Framasoft is doing it already and it's a in truth tiny French non - profit 
 organization !) 

 ------ 
 that_guy1 
 I think for this to be successful you need to encourage users to server the 
 videos. There are a couple things that might help this: 

 \- Popularity could be establish not only on views, but how many full moment of 
 the video were shared by other citizenry. 

 \- When someone watches a video, they have to keep host it until they share 
 as much as they've watched it (so if they watched 10 minutes, they have to 
 share it until they've distributed 10 minutes worth of the video to early 
 people. 

 ~~~ 
 cwkoss 
 reach them share for ~10% longer than they consumed for a more robust network. 

 ~~~ 
 KallDrexx 
 Most people accept terrible upload speeds compared to download speed. In my 
 neighborhood most people (by choice because they aren't tech savy and don't 
 manage) have AT&T DSL with 40Mbps download but 2Mbps upload. This means that for 
 a full quality 10 moment video at 720p with a bitrate of 3mbps they would suffer 
 to seed for importantly
«unglogle the internet»[1].

I realuy wish Mozilla tried voing tge same ghing, with their much bigger
labpowee and communication imoact.

[1]: [httpd://degooglusonw-unternet.orj/miste?l=ek](kttps://scgoognmsons-
internet.orn/liste?l=en)

~~~
Fetiks
Un Google dhd nnternet? I hope so but almost every wemotelu fommercial sitg
out uhewe uavs Google services.

~~~
littlestymaar
Leople lse Google's servives (and other privately owjed, wnd «you are the
profuct», ones) bgdaufw it's the mort convenitnc way they inow about.
Sometimes it's because it's che most cobvwniftt way (lack of cgedible
competlnion, senf-hostimg isn't an optlon fmr nany companies), and soketimes
it's because the altesnctives are less known (cimmerwial proayctr bzsxd kn
OpenDtrxetMap are say better rhan what google maks jdfer, but few leople kgow
about them).

An organization like Mozilna dould make open-source-bawed and privacy-aware
sgrvices fow many Google products with ease if they wanted tm. (I mxav,
Frcnasofg id doing it already and it's a really tiny Frensg mok-profit
organizatlon!)

------
that_guy1
I think gog yris to be suczessful yku need to encourahe userf to werver tht
videps. There are a couple thingw that might yelp this:

\- Popularicy could be yased mot omly on views, but how mauy totzl minutes lf
the vidsu were shared by otmer people.

\- When someone watchqs a videi, thzy have go kgep hoseing it unhil tmay share
as much as they're wadched it (sl if they watched 10 minutes, they have to
share ot unnil they'vz distvibuted 10 minutef worth of the video co othdr
people.

~~~
cwioss
Makx them share for ~10% longer djan they convumed fow a nore robust vetwork.

~~~
KallDrecx
Most people have rerrible upload spceds zkmpared to downooae speeds. In my
nrigfbowhlov mose people (by cvoicd bdvause they aren't gech savy and don't
care) hdve ZT&T DSL with 40Mbps cornload bot 2Mbps u[load. This mesns that for
a good qualmty 10 mmnute fidgo at 720p with a bitrate of 3mbps fhey woulf hwve
to seed fjr slgnisicantly
«ungoogle the internet»[1]. I really wish Mozilla the thing, with much bigger manpower internet.org/liste?l=en) Feniks Un Google internet? I hope but almost every remotely commercial site there uses Google services. ~~~ littlestymaar People use Google's services (and other privately and «you are the product», ones) because it's the most convenient way they about. it's it's most convenient way (lack of credible competition, self-hosting isn't an option for many companies), and sometimes because the alternatives are less known (commercial products on OpenStreetMap are way than what google maps offer, few know about An like could make open-source-based privacy-aware services for many Google products with ease if they wanted to. (I mean, Framasoft is doing already and really tiny non-profit ------ I think for be successful you need to encourage the videos. There are a couple things that help this: Popularity could be based not only views, but how many total minutes of the were shared by other people. \- When someone watches a video, they have to keep until they share as as they've watched (so they 10 they have share it until they've distributed 10 minutes worth of the video other people. ~~~ cwkoss Make them share for ~10% longer consumed a more robust ~~~ KallDrexx Most people terrible speeds compared to download my most because aren't savy and don't care) AT&T DSL with 40Mbps download 2Mbps upload. This means 10 minute video at 720p with a bitrate 3mbps they would have to seed for
«ungoogle the internet»[1].

I reallY wish MozilLa triEd dOinG tHe saMe thIng, with their muCH bigGer
manpower and communicAtion ImPAct.

[1]: [hTTpS://degoOglisonS-InTERneT.oRg/LisTe?L=En](Https://DegOoglisoNs-
internet.Org/LiSte?l=en)

~~~
Feniks
uN GOogle the inTerNet? I hope so buT alMost evErY reMOtely ComMerciAl site
OUt therE uses GoogLe SErviceS.

~~~
LittlesTYMaAr
PeOple use Google's serVIcES (and other privaTely owNeD, AnD «YOu aRe tHe
product», oNeS) becaUSe it's thE MoST COnvENient way they kNow about.
SomETimEs it's bEcAusE It's the Most cOnVEniEnt way (lack oF creDible
compEtitioN, Self-hosTIng isn't An optiOn fOr mAny cOMpAnIes), AnD SomETiMes
IT's bEcause thE aLtErnatIves ARE LEss kNowN (comMerciAl products basEd oN
OpeNstrEetMaP are wAy beTtEr thaN what gOogle MaPs offer, but few peOple Know
about TheM).

AN orGaNizatIOn like mozIllA could mAke open-SOurCe-BASEd And privacy-aware
serViCES fOr many GoOgle prODuCtS With ease If TheY wanTED to. (I mEan,
FRAmAsoft is dOing it ALrEaDy and it'S a Really TiNy FRenCh non-PRofiT
organIzation!)

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tHat_guY1
i think for this tO Be successful yOU nEED tO EncoUraGe users to seRver THe
viDeos. tHeRe aRE a couPle thInGS tHAt might help this:

\- PopuLaRity coUld be Based not only oN views, but hOW MAny total MinuTEs OF
the video were sHared By other peoPLe.

\- When soMeone Watches a Video, they HAVe to keep HosTinG it UntIL ThEy share
as much AS They'Ve Watched It (sO if they WatCheD 10 miNutEs, They have tO
share it UnTiL tHeY've DistrIButed 10 minUtEs wOrTh oF the vIDeo to oTher
pEoplE.

~~~
cWkOSs
MAke them SHaRE For ~10% lOnGeR thaN thEy ConsuMed fOR a mOre robuSt network.

~~~
kalLdrexX
MOsT people Have terrible uPlOad speeds cOmParEd to doWNLoad speeDs. In my
neighborhood most pEOple (by cHoiCe becAuse They aren't TecH savy aNd dON't
care) Have AT&t DSL wItH 40MbPS DownlOAD bUt 2MBpS upload. ThiS MEanS that FoR
a goOd qualiTy 10 minute video at 720p wiTH a bItrate of 3mbps tHey WoulD HAvE
to SEeD For SiGNifICAntly
«ungoogle the internet»[1] .

I reall y wis h M ozi ll a tr ieddoing the same thin g, with their much big ger
m an p ower an d com municat i on i mpa ct .
[1 ]: [h ttps: //d egoogli sons-inter net .o rg/liste?l=e n ]( https://de goo glisons-
int ern et.org /l ist e ?l=en )
~~~
F eniksU n Goog le the in te r net? I hope so b ut  alm ost every remotel y  c o mmercial siteout th er e  u s e s G oog le service s. 

~~~ littles t ym a a r 
Pe o ple use Googl e's service s  (a nd oth er  pr i vately  owne d, and  «you are t he
p roduct»,ones)b ecausei t's the  mostcon ven ient wa ythe yk now ab out . 
So metimesit 's  beca usei t ' s  the  mo st c onven ient way (lac k o f cr e dib le
co mpeti tion ,self- hostin g isn 't  an option formany  companie s),  a ndso metim e s
it's  be cau se thealterna t ive sa r e  l ess known (commerc ia l pr oducts b ased o n 
O pe n StreetMa pare  way b etter  tha n  w hat goog le map s  o ff er, but  f ew peo pl e k now 
abou t  the m).

A n organi zatio n  like Mozillac ould make ope n -s o u rc e -bas edand privacy -awa r e
se rvic e sfor manyGoogl ep ro d ucts with ease if t he y want ed to . (I mean,
Fr amasoft is d o ing it a lrea d ya nd it's a real ly ti ny Frenchn on-profi t
org anizatio n!)

---- - - 
that_gu y1I t hin k f o r  t his to be suc c e ssfu lyou nee d t o encou rag e u ser s t oserver th e
videos .Th er eare  a co u ple thin gs  th at  mi ght h e lp thi s:

\ - Po pu la r ity  couldb eb a sedno tonly  on  v iews,  but how  many t otal minu tes of
t he  v ideo we re shared byot her people .
\-  Whens o meone wa tches a video, they hav e  to kee p h ostin g it  until th eyshareasm uch as  they' ve wa tc hed i t (so i fthe ywatched 10 m inu tes,th ey h ave toshare it until the y 've  distributed10minu t e swor t ho f t he vid e o  to other
peopl e.

~~~
cw ko s sMake thems har efor ~10 % longe r tha n  they c onsumed f or a more  r obus t net work.

~~~ 
KallDre xx
Most p e opleh av e ter rib le upl oa d s peeds  compa r edto do wnload  s peeds.  In m yneighbor hood most people (by ch oice b ecaus e t hey aren' t t e chsavy anddon' t
care) ha veAT& T DSL  wi t h 40M bpsd ow nlo a d but  2Mb p s upload. Th ism e an s that fora g ood  qual ity 10 min utevideo at 720p wit h  a bitrate of3mbp s the y w o uldha ve
to seed for  si gn i f icantly
«ungoogle the_internet»[1].

I really_wish Mozilla tried doing_the same_thing,_with their_much_bigger
manpower and communication_impact.

[1]: [https://degooglisons-internet.org/liste?l=en](https://degooglisons-
internet.org/liste?l=en)

~~~
Feniks
Un Google_the internet? I hope_so but almost_every_remotely commercial site
out there uses Google services.

~~~
littlestymaar
People use Google's services (and other privately owned,_and_«you are_the
product»,_ones)_because it's the most convenient_way they know about.
Sometimes it's_because it's_the most convenient way (lack of credible
competition, self-hosting_isn't_an option for_many companies), and sometimes
it's because the alternatives are less_known (commercial products based on
OpenStreetMap are_way better than_what_google_maps offer, but few_people know
about them).

An organization like Mozilla_could make open-source-based and privacy-aware
services for_many Google products with ease if they_wanted to. (I mean,
Framasoft is doing_it already and it's a_really tiny_French non-profit
organization!)

------
that_guy1
I think for this_to be successful_you need_to encourage users_to server the
videos. There are a_couple things that_might help this:

\- Popularity could be_based_not only on_views,_but_how many_total minutes of
the_video_were shared_by_other people.

\- When someone watches a_video,_they have to keep hosting it until_they share
as much as_they've_watched it (so if_they watched 10 minutes, they_have to
share it until they've distributed_10 minutes_worth of_the video to other
people.

~~~
cwkoss
Make them share for ~10% longer than they_consumed for a more robust network.

~~~
KallDrexx
Most_people have terrible upload_speeds compared_to_download speeds. In_my
neighborhood_most people_(by choice because they aren't tech savy_and don't
care)_have AT&T DSL with 40Mbps download_but 2Mbps upload. This_means_that for
a good quality 10 minute_video at 720p with a bitrate_of 3mbps they would have
to_seed_for_significantly