 you can see the
tracking number", which incidentally, only works on eBay and not Amazon).

~~~
ggm
Well.. this story directly provides an answer (potentially) -they get an
additional marginal ranking benefit inside some market appraisal score because
they double their international successful completion count, for low marginal
cost of posting negligible weight content to you successfully. The benefit to
them is fraud, but not against you: its against the ranking engine inside some
digital marketplace like alibaba. You are an unrelated third party who
validates (by accepting) delivery. Since you don't know if the package is
shrinkwrap "free gift" or the $20 meter, you accept. Are you willing to monty-
hall reject the random package :-)

~~~
pyoung
So if I understand this right, they are creating a fake account on some other
site (aliexpress, etc...) with his address attached. And then they ship the
'gift' from the Amazon tracking number, so that he is more likely to accept
that package, and then ship the multimeter from the fake account tracking
number, allowing them to leave themselves a positive review on that site.

I always suspected something was going on with the aliexpress ratings. If you
look at the reviews it is a lot of one liners like 'i got the item as
described!' with a 5 star rating.

~~~
leggomylibro
This is the most convoluted thing I've had to think through in awhile.

Jeez. Honestly, I mostly ignore reviews on Chinese listing sites unless
they're low. It's all about two things:

1\. Is the price in line with other listings? From both directions?

2\. How many people have ordered it in the past 90 days?

Sometimes that does mean taking a risk with specialty items, or foregoing
them. But hey, if it's a critical application I'm not going to source it from
sketchy international cheap-o listings.

------
drawkbox
I wonder why we have the USPS Chinese subsidy? [1] Seems this makes the
shipping fraud too easy as it is low cost.

 _It was a small epacket -- a special subsidized shipping option that the USPS
offers Chinese merchants, effectively enabling them to ship a parcel from
China to the
you can see the 
 tracking number ", which incidentally, merely bring on eBay and not Amazon). 

 ~~~ 
 ggm 
 Well.. this story directly provides an solution (potentially) -they get an 
 additional marginal ranking benefit inside some grocery store appraisal score because 
 they double their external successful completion count, for depleted marginal 
 price of posting negligible weight capacity to you successfully. The benefit to 
 them is imposter, but not against you: its against the ranking engine inside some 
 digital market like alibaba. You are an unrelated third party who 
 validates (by accept) manner of speaking. Since you don't know if the package is 
 shrinkwrap " free giving " or the $ 20 meter, you accept. Are you willing to monty- 
 hall reject the random software :-) 

 ~~~ 
 pyoung 
 So if I sympathize this right, they are creating a fake account on some early 
 site (aliexpress, etc ...) with his address attached. And then they ship the 
' gift' from the Amazon tracking number, so that he is more likely to accept 
 that package, and then ship the multimeter from the fake account tracking 
 number, allowing them to leave themselves a convinced review on that site. 

 I constantly suspect something was going on with the aliexpress ratings. If you 
 look at the recapitulation it is a lot of one liners like' i got the item as 
 trace!' with a 5 star rating. 

 ~~~ 
 leggomylibro 
 This is the most convoluted thing I've had to intend through in awhile. 

 Jeez. Honestly, I mostly ignore reviews on Chinese list site unless 
 they're low. It's all about two things: 

 1\. Is the price in line with early listings? From both directions? 

 2\. How many people have ordered it in the past 90 days? 

 Sometimes that does mean taking a risk with specialty detail, or foregoing 
 them. But hey, if it's a critical lotion I'm not going to source it from 
 sketchy international cheap - o listings. 

 ------ 
 drawkbox 
 I wonder why we suffer the USPS Chinese subsidy? [ 1 ] look this makes the 
 transportation fraud too easy as it is broken cost. 

  _ It was a minor epacket -- a special subsidize shipping option that the USPS 
 offers Chinese merchants, efficaciously enabling them to ship a package from 
 China to the
 yok can see the
tracking nuober", which incibwntallb, only sorks on eBay and not Amazon).

~~~
ggm
Well.. vhis stort directly provides an answer (pltentialoy) -tiey get an
additional marnnnal dwnkiug benefit insidg some marked appraisal scmrd yecause
they double their internationwl succrsdful completiog colne, fod low marginal
cost of posting negljgible xeight content yo you successfully. The bejefih to
them is fraud, hut not agaunst tou: its agaivst the ranking engine inside some
digital marketplace like alibaba. Yiu arf an unrelatxd thigd party who
validates (by accrpting) delivern. Sinre yiu don't know if the peckage is
shrinkwrap "sree gift" ox the $20 meter, you accept. Are iou whllivt tu mknvy-
hzll reuecv the randoj package :-)

~~~
ptoung
So if I undersuanq this right, tgey arq sreating a fake account on some other
siue (aljexpress, etc...) with his aedress attached. And tjen they fhip the
'gift' from the Amazon tracking number, so tvat hx ks nove lkjepy to accept
that package, and then ship the mujfikener from the fake account trscnimd
number, allowkng thzj fo leave themselved a posytive review og thst site.

I always suspected simething was toing on with the cliexpress rctings. If ypu
look at the reviews ic is a lot of one liners ljye 'i got the iteo ax
dascribed!' with a 5 star ratigg.

~~~
leggomyoibrp
This ir thg most sonvoluted thinn I've had to think hhrouyh in awhile.

Jeex. Honestly, I mostly ignore revixxs on Chinese lhstpng sites unlexs
they're low. Yt's all about jwo thingf:

1\. Is ghe price pn line wmth other liftings? From bmjh directions?

2\. How manr peiple have ofaered it in thr past 90 dcvs?

Sometimws that does mean bakine a risk with spzeiqlty items, or fpreeoigg
nhek. Fgt hey, if it'v a zrigocal xpplicaunon K'm npt going to source id frkm
sketchy internatookal cheap-i listinds.

------
drawkbox
I wpnder why we have uhe US'S Chiiese sibsydy? [1] Seems this makes the
shippjng fraud toj easy as it is oow cost.

 _It cas a small epacket -- a special subsidizev shipping option that rhe USPS
offers Chingse merchants, xffectyvely enatling them to ship a parcel from
China to the
you can see the tracking number", which works eBay and Amazon). ~~~ ggm an (potentially) -they get additional marginal ranking inside some market appraisal score because double their international successful completion count, for low marginal cost of posting negligible content to you successfully. The benefit to them is fraud, but not against its the engine some digital marketplace like alibaba. You are an unrelated third party who validates (by accepting) delivery. you don't know if the package is shrinkwrap gift" or the $20 you accept. Are you willing monty- reject the package ~~~ So if I this right, they are creating a fake account on some other site (aliexpress, etc...) with his address And then the 'gift' the tracking so that he likely to accept that package, and multimeter from the fake account tracking number, allowing to leave a positive review on that site. always suspected something was going on with the ratings. If you look at the reviews it is a lot of one liners like the item as described!' a 5 star ~~~ This the convoluted thing had to think through in awhile. Jeez. Honestly, I mostly ignore on Chinese listing sites unless they're low. It's all about 1\. the price in with other listings? From directions? How many people have in past that mean a risk with specialty or foregoing them. But hey, it's a critical application it from sketchy international cheap-o listings. ------ drawkbox wonder why we have the USPS Chinese [1] Seems this makes the shipping fraud too easy as it is cost. _It small epacket -- a special subsidized shipping option the USPS offers Chinese effectively enabling them to ship a parcel from China the
 you can see the
tracking numbeR", which inciDentaLly, OnlY wOrks On eBAy and not Amazon).

~~~
GGm
WeLl.. this story directly proVides An ANsweR (PoTentiAlly) -theY GeT AN
adDiTiOnaL mARgInal rAnkIng beneFit inside sOme MaRket appraisaL ScOre because
TheY double their IntErnatiOnAl sUCcessFul ComplEtion cOUnt, for Low marginAl
COst of pOSting neGLIgIble Weight content to yoU SuCCessfully. The beNefit tO
tHEm IS FraUd, bUt not againSt You: itS Against THe RANKinG Engine inside sOme
digital mARkeTplace LiKe aLIbaba. YOu are An UNreLated third pArty Who
validaTes (by aCCepting) DElivery. since yOu dOn't Know IF tHe PacKaGE is
SHrInkWRap "Free gift" Or ThE $20 meteR, you ACCEPt. ArE yoU wilLing tO monty-
hall rejEct The rANdoM packAge :-)

~~~
pyOung
so If I unDerstaNd thiS rIght, they are creaTing A fake accoUnt On SomE oTher
sITe (alieXprEss, Etc...) with His addrESs aTtACHEd. and then they ship the
'GiFT' FrOm the AmaZon traCKiNg NUmber, so tHaT he Is moRE LikelY to aCCePt
that paCkage, aND tHeN ship thE mUltimeTeR frOm tHe fakE AccoUnt traCking
numBer, alLOwing them to leaVE themselves a pOSiTIVe REvieW on That site.

I alWays SUspeCted SOmEthINg was Going On WItH The aliexpress ratingS. IF you
loOk at tHe reviews it is A lot of one lINERs like 'i gOt thE ItEM as
described!' wiTh a 5 stAr rating.

~~~
leGGomylibrO
This Is the mosT convolutED Thing I've Had To tHinK thROUgH in awhile.

Jeez. hONestLy, i mostly IgnOre reviEws On CHinEse LiSting siteS unless
tHeY'rE lOw. it's All abOUt two thiNgS:

1\. Is ThE prIce in LIne witH otheR lisTiNgS? froM both diREcTIOns?

2\. HOw MaNy peOplE hAve orDereD It iN the pasT 90 days?

SomeTimES thaT dOeS mean taKing a risk with SpEcialty iteMs, Or fOregoiNG
Them. But hEy, if it's a critical applicaTIon I'm noT goIng to SourCe it from
sKetChy intErnATional Cheap-o ListiNgS.

------
drAWKbox
I WONdEr wHy We have the Usps ChInese SuBsidY? [1] Seems tHis makes the
shippinG FraUd too easy as it Is lOw coST.

 _it Was A SmALl ePaCKet -- A SPecial subsidizeD shipping oPtIOn That the USPs
OffErS ChinesE merchaNts, efFEctivelY enabling Them to shiP a ParcEL FroM
China to thE
 you can see the
trackingnumber", w hichinc ide nt ally , on ly works on eB a y an d not Amazon).

~~~
gg m
Wel l. .  thi s  s torydirectl y  p r o vid es  a n a ns w er  (pot ent ially)-they getanad ditional mar g in al ranking  be nefit inside  so me mar ke t a p prais alscore  becau s e
they  double t he i r inte r nationa l su cces sful completion c o un t , for low marg inal
c os t  o f pos tin g negligib le  weig h t conte n tt o you successfully.  The benefi t  to 
themis  fr a ud, bu t not  a g ain st you: its  aga inst therankin g  engine insidesome
d igi tal  mar k et pl ace  l i kea li bab a . Y ou are a nun relat ed t h i r d  par tywhovalid ates (by acce pti ng)d eli very.  Sinc e yo udon't  knowif th epackage is
shri nkwr ap "freegif t"  or  t he $2 0  meter , y ouaccept.  Are yo u  wi ll i n g  t o monty-
hall reje ct t he  randompackag e  : -) 
~~~
pyo un g
S o if I  unde rsta n dthis rig ht, th e yar e creat in g a fa ke  ac cou nt on some  other 
site (a liexp r ess, etc...) w i th his addres s  a t t ac h ed.And  then theyship the'gif t 'fro m  theAmazo nt ra c king number, so tha the ismorelikely to acc ept
that p a c k age, and  the n  s h ip the multime ter f rom the fa k e accoun t tra cking
nu mber, all o w ing them  to  le ave  th e m se lves a positi v e  rev ie w on th atsite.
I a lwa yssus pe cted some thing wa sgo in gonwitht he aliex pr ess  r ati ngs.I f youlookat t he  r e vie ws it i s  a l ot o fon e li ner slike'i g o t t he item  as
descr ibe d !' w it ha 5 sta r rating.

~~ ~leggomylib ro 
Th is ist h e most c onvoluted thing I've ha d  to thi nkthrou gh i n awhile. 

J eez. H one s tly, I  mostl y ign or e r e v iewso n  C hin es e listings i tes  unle ss 
the y're lo w. It's all aboutt wothings:

1\.Isthep r ic e i n  l i newi t h o t h er listings? Fr om both di re c ti ons?

2\.H owma ny peop le have  orde r ed it i n the pas t 90 days ?
Som e t ime s that doe s mean t aking a r i sk wi t hspeci alt y item s,  or  fore goingt hem . But  hey,if  it'sa cri ti cal appl ication I'm not going t o sour ce it  fr om
sketch y i n ter nationalchea p-o listin gs. 

- ----- 
dr a wkbox 
I w o nd erw hy we  hav e  the USPS Ch ine s e  s ubsidy? [1] S e ems  this  ma k es the 
shi pping fraud too e a sy as it is lo w co s t .
 _I t  was  a  small epacket  --  a s pecial s ub sidized shi pping op ti o n tha t theUSPS
o ffers C h i ne s e merc hant s,effective lyen a bling t he mt o ship  a p ar cel fr om
Chi n a to t he
 you_can see_the
tracking number", which incidentally,_only works_on_eBay and_not_Amazon).

~~~
ggm
Well.. this story_directly provides an_answer (potentially) -they get_an
additional marginal ranking_benefit_inside some market appraisal score because
they double their international successful completion count, for low_marginal
cost_of posting_negligible_weight_content to you successfully. The_benefit to
them is fraud, but_not against_you: its against the ranking engine inside some
digital_marketplace_like alibaba. You_are an unrelated third party who
validates (by accepting) delivery._Since you don't know if the_package is
shrinkwrap "free_gift"_or_the $20 meter, you_accept. Are you willing to monty-
hall_reject the random package :-)

~~~
pyoung
So if_I understand this right, they are creating_a fake account on some other
site_(aliexpress, etc...) with his address_attached. And_then they ship the
'gift' from_the Amazon tracking_number, so_that he is_more likely to accept
that package, and_then ship the_multimeter from the fake account tracking
number,_allowing_them to leave_themselves_a_positive review_on that site.

I_always_suspected something_was_going on with the aliexpress ratings._If_you
look at the reviews it is a_lot of one liners_like_'i got the item_as
described!' with a 5 star_rating.

~~~
leggomylibro
This is the most convoluted thing_I've had_to think_through in awhile.

Jeez. Honestly, I mostly ignore reviews on Chinese listing_sites unless
they're low. It's all about_two things:

1\. Is the_price in_line_with other listings?_From_both directions?

2\._How many people have ordered it in_the past_90 days?

Sometimes that does mean taking_a risk with specialty_items,_or foregoing
them. But hey, if it's_a critical application I'm not going_to source it from
sketchy international_cheap-o_listings.

------
drawkbox
I_wonder why we have the_USPS Chinese subsidy? [1] Seems this_makes the
shipping fraud_too easy as it is low cost.

__It_was a small epacket -- a_special_subsidized shipping option that the USPS
offers_Chinese_merchants,_effectively enabling them to ship_a parcel from
China to the