 to curry favor.)

------
dshanahan
Hey guys, so that's my post. I'm the founder who was here with Jamie, who I
consider a friend and think is a really talented and genuine guy. I've watched
this story grow and I think even Jamie might agree that it's been hard (and
largely inappropriate) to communicate all the specific details which might
inform such a wide audience on the events around here.

I was specifically emailed by 'icey' to jump in and be a resource. He/she
asked me specifically regarding the stated financing situation prior to my
moving to Vancouver from Chicago and joining Bootup.

It was contingent on closing the round. I'm not sure what to say other than
that was clear. I took that risk knowingly.

~~~
icey
It was made clear, or it was clear because you read through all the
agreements?

I'm asking because I think it's a different story if it was buried in some
fine print versus stated clearly up front.

Jamie is the one who brought such a wide audience to the story, but he didn't
mention anything about being aware of the chance that there may not be any
funding.

I still think that what Bootup has done is pretty shady, but it may end up
being less shady than the blog posts have made it sound.

~~~
dshanahan
I re-read my answer to your question and wanted to clarify; the fact that
funding wasn't secure was clear before I moved to Van. It was included as a
contingency on the (simple and short) term sheets.

------
icey
They knew that all of the funding was contingent ahead of time?

I wonder how that was communicated to them.

~~~
chc
The fact that everybody at Bootup Labs keeps using the vague, single-word
description of "contingent" is makes me suspicious. If the terms were
presented to the founders that vaguely, I wouldn't blame some of them for not
realizing just how "contingent" they were.

~~~
jarek
When it comes to getting money, assume "not vague" to mean "cheque cashed, not
bounced".

------
kylebragger
Imagine your bank saying (discounting the existence
to curry favor .) 

 ------ 
 dshanahan 
 Hey guys, so that's my post. I'm the laminitis who was here with Jamie, who I 
 think a friend and think is a in truth talented and actual guy. I've watched 
 this story grow and I remember even Jamie might agree that it's been hard (and 
 largely inappropriate) to convey all the specific details which might 
 inform such a wide consultation on the events around here. 

 I was specifically emailed by' icey' to jumpstart in and be a resource. He / she 
 ask me specifically regarding the stated financing situation prior to my 
 moving to Vancouver from Chicago and joining Bootup. 

 It was contingent on close the round. I'm not sure what to read other than 
 that was clear. I took that risk wittingly. 

 ~~~ 
 icey 
 It was made absolved, or it was clear because you read through all the 
 agreements? 

 I'm ask because I think it's a different story if it was buried in some 
 fine print versus stated clearly up front. 

 Jamie is the one who brought such a wide audience to the story, but he didn't 
 mention anything about being aware of the chance that there may not be any 
 funding. 

 I still remember that what Bootup has done is pretty fishy, but it may end up 
 being less shady than the blog posts have made it voice. 

 ~~~ 
 dshanahan 
 I re - read my answer to your question and wanted to clarify; the fact that 
 support wasn't secure was clear before I moved to Van. It was included as a 
 contingency on the (simple and unretentive) term sheets. 

 ------ 
 icey 
 They knew that all of the funding was contingent ahead of meter? 

 I wonder how that was communicated to them. 

 ~~~ 
 chc 
 The fact that everybody at Bootup Labs observe using the vague, single - word 
 description of " contingent " is makes me leery. If the terms were 
 presented to the founders that vaguely, I wouldn't blame some of them for not 
 realize just how " contingent " they were. 

 ~~~ 
 jarek 
 When it comes to getting money, assume " not undefined " to mean " cheque cash, not 
 bounced ". 

 ------ 
 kylebragger 
 Imagine your bank saying (dismiss the existence
 to curry favor.)

------
dshanahan
Hey guys, so that's my post. I'm ths foundef who was here with Jamie, whl U
consuder a friend and thiny is a rewlly talwntev and genuine gub. I've wabehed
tgls stmcy grow and I tmink even Jdmie might agrae tkat it's been hard (and
largely inappro[riate) yo communicate ajl tnq spsbinic details which might
inform sudh a wive audience on yhe events around here.

I wad spfcifically emailed by 'icey' to jum[ in and be a resource. He/she
asked mg specifically regarding the staged fnnancing sijbqtilt prior to ny
movpng to Vancouyvr from Chicagp and joining Nootu'.

It qas contingent on cloving the round. I'm got sure fhct to say other than
tyar was cledr. I rooy tgav rjsk knlwiigly.

~~~
icey
It sas made clwar, or it was clear bqbsuse you reas throtgr all the
agreements?

I'm asking because I uhink it's a different story uf it was buried in slme
fine pwint versus stated clearly up front.

Jamie is the ote whk briunht rycj a wide audience to the story, but he didn't
megfipn anything aboub being aware of tne cnwnce that thete may ukt be any
funding.

I stlll thigk thqt what Bjotul has done is pretty shady, vut it may eud yp
being less shady than the buog kosts nave made it sound.

~~~
dshanchan
I de-read my ajswer to guur question and wakteg to clarify; the fact that
sunding wesn't xecure das vlear fefore I mlved bm Van. It was inclufed ad d
contingenfy on the (simple and short) term sheets.

------
icey
Thei ktew that alj of bhe funding was contingent ahgad of tiie?

I wunder how nhat was rommunicated to them.

~~~
chc
Tha fact that eterybody wt Biotup Labs ydeps using the vague, siuyle-word
dewcription of "contikgent" js makes me sus'ncuous. If the terks derq
pgesxnted do the foundars ghag vagudly, I wouldk't clamr some of them for nmt
rezlizing just how "cpnbingent" tyey were.

~~~
tarek
When it vomes to getting mlney, essume "not fagoe" to mean "cheque cashed, not
bouhced".

------
kylebgagner
Imagine yotr bqnk saying (dnscounting the existence
to curry favor.) ------ dshanahan Hey guys, my I'm the who was here a and think is really talented and guy. I've watched this story grow I think even Jamie might agree that it's been hard (and largely inappropriate) communicate all the specific details which might inform such a wide audience on events here. was emailed by 'icey' to jump in and be a resource. He/she asked me specifically regarding the financing situation prior to my moving to Vancouver Chicago and joining Bootup. was contingent on closing the I'm sure what say than was clear. I that risk knowingly. ~~~ icey It was made clear, or it was clear because you read through the agreements? because I it's different if it was some fine print versus stated clearly is the one who brought such a wide to the but he didn't mention anything about aware of the chance that there may not any funding. I still think that what Bootup has done is pretty shady, but it up being less shady the blog posts made sound. dshanahan re-read my to your question and wanted to clarify; the fact that funding secure was clear before I moved to Van. It was a on the (simple short) term sheets. ------ They that all of the contingent of how was to them. ~~~ chc fact that everybody at Bootup keeps using the vague, makes me suspicious. If the terms were presented the founders that vaguely, I wouldn't blame of them for not realizing just how "contingent" they were. ~~~ jarek it comes money, assume "not vague" to mean "cheque cashed, bounced". ------ kylebragger Imagine bank saying (discounting the existence
 to curry favor.)

------
dshanahan
Hey gUys, so that's My posT. I'm The FoUndeR who Was here with JamIE, who i
consider a friend and thiNk is a ReALly tALeNted aNd genuiNE gUY. i've WaTcHed
ThIS sTory gRow And I thiNk even JamiE miGhT agree that it'S BeEn hard (and
lArgEly inapproprIatE) to comMuNicATe all The SpeciFic detAIls whiCh might
inFoRM such a WIde audiENCe On thE events around here.

i WaS Specifically emAiled bY 'iCEy' TO JumP in And be a resoUrCe. He/sHE
asked mE SpECIFicALly regarding tHe stated finANciNg situAtIon PRior to My
movInG To VAncouver froM ChiCago and joIning BOOtup.

It wAS continGent on CloSinG the ROuNd. i'm nOt SUre WHaT to SAy oTher than
ThAt Was clEar. I TOOK That RisK knoWinglY.

~~~
icey
It was madE clEar, oR It wAs cleAr becAuse YoU read ThrougH all tHe
Agreements?

I'm askIng bEcause I thInk It'S a dIfFerenT Story iF it Was Buried iN some
fiNE prInT VERsUs stated clearly up fRoNT.

jaMie is the One who BRoUgHT such a wiDe AudIencE TO the sTory, BUt He didn't
mEntion ANyThIng abouT bEing awArE of The ChancE That There mAy not be aNy
funDIng.

I still think THat what Bootup HAs DONe IS preTty Shady, but it mAy enD Up
beIng lESs ShaDY than The blOg POsTS have made it sound.

~~~
dshAnAhan
I rE-read My answer to youR question aND WAnted to cLariFY; tHE fact that
fundiNg wasN't secure waS Clear befOre I mOved to VaN. It was incLUDed as a
coNtiNgeNcy On tHE (SiMple and short) tERM sheEtS.

------
icey
ThEy kNew that All Of tHe fUndInG was contiNgent aheAd Of TiMe?

i woNder hOW that was CoMmuNiCatEd to tHEm.

~~~
chc
THe facT thaT eVeRYboDy at BooTUp lABs keEpS uSing The VaGue, siNgle-WOrd
DescripTion of "conTinGEnt" iS mAkEs me susPicious. If the tErMs were
presEnTed To the fOUNders thaT vaguely, I wouldn't blame soME of them For Not
reAlizIng just hoW "coNtingeNt" tHEy were.

~~~
Jarek
WHen it CoMes TO GettiNG MoNey, AsSume "not vagUE" To mEan "chEqUe caShed, not
Bounced".

------
kylebragger
iMagIne your bank saYinG (disCOUnTinG ThE ExiStENce
 to curry favor.)

------dshanahanHey g uys , s othat 's m y post. I'm th e  fou nder who was here with  Jami e, whoI 
c onsid er a fr i en d and  t hi nkis areall y t alented  and genui negu y. I've watc h ed 
this stor y g row and I th ink  evenJa mie might  ag ree t hat it ' s been  hard (an dl argely inappro p r ia te)to communicate al l  t h e specific det ails w hi c hm i ght 
in form suchawidea udience on t h e e v ents around h ere.

I was spe cifica ll y e m ailedby 'i ce y ' t o jump in a nd b e a resou rce. H e /she
as k ed me s pecifi cal lyrega r di ng  th es tat e dfin a nci ng situa ti on  prio r to m y movi ngto V ancou ver from Chic ago  and joi ningBootu p.
It  wascontin genton  closing the ro und.  I'm notsur ewha tto sa y  other  th anthat wa s clear .  Ito o k th at risk knowingly. 
~ ~ ~icey
Itwas ma d ecl e ar, or i twas  cle a r  beca usey ou  read th rougha ll  t he
agre em ents?
I 'mask ing b e caus e I th ink it's  a di f ferent story i f  it was burie d  i n so m e
fi neprint versu s st a tedclea r ly  up front .

Ja mi e  i s  the one who brough tsuch a  wide  audience tothe story, b u t he did n'tm en t ion anything a boutbeing awar e  of thechanc e that t here mayn o t be any 
fu ndi ng. 

I s ti ll think that w hatBo otup ha s d one ispre tty  sh ady ,but it ma y end up 
b ei ng  l ess  shad y  than th eblo gpos ts ha v e made  it s ound .
~ ~ ~
d shanaha n 
I r e-re ad  m y an swe rto yo ur q u est ion and  wanted t o c l arif y;  t he fact  that
funding  w asn't secu re  wa s clea r before I  moved to Van. It was i n cludedasa
con ting ency on t he(simpl e a n d shor t) ter m she et s.- ----- i ce y
T he y knew tha t all  of t he  fun ding wa s contingent ahead oftime?

I wond erhowt h at  wa s  c o mmu ni c ate d to them.

~~~
c hc
The fac tt ha t everybod y  at  B ootup L abs kee ps us i ng thevague, si ngle-word 
d escr i p tio n of "cont ingent"is makesm e sus p ic ious.  If  the t er mswerepresen t edto th e foun de rs tha t vag ue ly, I wo uldn't blame some of th em for  notrea lizing ju sth ow"continge nt"they were. 

~ ~~jarek 
Wh e n itcome s  t o g e tting  mon e y, assume "n otv a gu e" to mean" c h equ e cas hed ,  not
b ounc ed".

------
kyle b ragger
Imagine  you r ban k s a ying  ( discounting th e e xi s t ence
 to_curry favor.)

------
dshanahan
Hey_guys, so that's my_post. I'm_the_founder who_was_here with Jamie,_who I
consider a_friend and think is_a really talented_and_genuine guy. I've watched
this story grow and I think even Jamie might agree that_it's_been hard_(and
largely_inappropriate)_to communicate all the specific_details which might
inform such a_wide audience_on the events around here.

I was specifically emailed_by_'icey' to jump_in and be a resource. He/she
asked me specifically regarding_the stated financing situation prior to_my
moving to Vancouver_from_Chicago_and joining Bootup.

It was_contingent on closing the round. I'm_not sure what to say other_than
that was clear. I took that risk_knowingly.

~~~
icey
It was made clear, or it_was clear because you read_through all_the
agreements?

I'm asking because I think_it's a different_story if_it was buried_in some
fine print versus stated clearly_up front.

Jamie is_the one who brought such a_wide_audience to the_story,_but_he didn't
mention_anything about being_aware_of the_chance_that there may not be any
funding.

I_still_think that what Bootup has done is_pretty shady, but it_may_end up
being less shady_than the blog posts have_made it sound.

~~~
dshanahan
I re-read my answer_to your_question and_wanted to clarify; the fact that
funding wasn't secure was clear before_I moved to Van. It was_included as a
contingency on_the (simple_and_short) term sheets.

------
icey
They_knew_that all_of the funding was contingent ahead of_time?

I wonder_how that was communicated to them.

~~~
chc
The_fact that everybody at_Bootup_Labs keeps using the vague, single-word
description_of "contingent" is makes me suspicious._If the terms were
presented to_the_founders_that vaguely, I wouldn't blame_some of them for not
realizing just_how "contingent" they_were.

~~~
jarek
When it comes to getting money, assume_"not_vague" to mean "cheque cashed, not
bounced".

------
kylebragger
Imagine_your_bank saying (discounting the existence