
IP (like patents), or figure out how to carve out a niche and compete.

IMO: The "bolt-on product to fix something wrong with someone else's product"
business model appears short lived and requires a rather early exit strategy.

~~~
JMTQp8lwXL
These types of businesses shouldn't be taken past the concept stage. If the
premise of your business is existing wholly on one other entity, it's a
constant risk that'll never go away.

~~~
gwbas1c
I don't know if I'd be that blunt: Depending on the situation, a patent plus a
buyout can be very profitable. That's one of the reasons why patents are
useful, they encourage innovations on top of other peoples' products because
you can use them to force the other party to pay you something when they try
to copy your invention and undercut you.

Makes me wonder why Autofac had no patents.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with making a quick buck as long as you know
it's a temporary situation.

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lostmsu
But for me theirs is 10 times better as I don't have to install it anywhere
and then maintain it myself.

~~~
mikece
There is that... but Microsoft screws up their advantage by constantly
changing their product names (VSO? VSTS? Azure DevOps? Why don't we just use
GitHub... and what is HockeyApp's new name?) to the point of confusing the
very market they are trying to serve.

~~~
flyingswift
Unfortunately, the org as a whole has completely collapsed as the result of
the GitHub acquisition. I wouldn't be surprised to see ADO be deprecated in
2-3 years in favor of GH

~~~
delfinom
It's sad because GitHub is honestly a children's toy compared to ADO and
GitLab in terms of large scale management of repos. GH shows no interest in
fixing and improving long standing deficiencies.

~~~
strbean
Could you elaborate on these deficiencies?

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devlife
It looks like you wanted to do OSS but you soon realised that there is
potentially good money to be made in commercial software. Your company also
spent all the years building a good product but the money bug bit you and you
started charging exorbitant
IP (like patents), or figure out how to carve out a niche and compete. 

 IMO: The " bolt - on merchandise to specify something wrong with someone else's product " 
 business mannequin appears short exist and want a rather early passing scheme. 

 ~~~ 
 JMTQp8lwXL 
 These types of businesses shouldn't be film past the concept stage. If the 
 premise of your occupation is exist wholly on one other entity, it's a 
 constant risk that'll never go away. 

 ~~~ 
 gwbas1c 
 I don't acknowledge if I'd be that blunt: Depending on the situation, a patent plus a 
 buyout can be very profitable. That's one of the reasons why patent are 
 useful, they encourage innovations on top of early peoples' product because 
 you can use them to force the other party to yield you something when they try 
 to copy your invention and undercut you. 

 Makes me wonder why Autofac had no patents. 

 Besides, there's nothing wrong with making a quick buck as long as you know 
 it's a temporary situation. 

 ------ 
 lostmsu 
 But for me theirs is 10 times better as I don't have to install it anywhere 
 and then observe it myself. 

 ~~~ 
 mikece 
 There is that... but Microsoft screws up their advantage by constantly 
 transfer their merchandise names (VSO? VSTS? Azure DevOps? Why don't we just use 
 GitHub... and what is HockeyApp's newfangled name ?) to the point of confusing the 
 very market they are try to serve. 

 ~~~ 
 flyingswift 
 Unfortunately, the org as a whole has completely collapsed as the result of 
 the GitHub acquisition. I wouldn't be surprised to see ADO be deprecate in 
 2 - 3 years in favor of GH 

 ~~~ 
 delfinom 
 It's sad because GitHub is honestly a children's toy dog compared to ADO and 
 GitLab in term of big scale management of repos. GH shows no interest in 
 neutering and improving long standing lack. 

 ~~~ 
 strbean 
 Could you elaborate on these deficiencies? 

 ------ 
 devlife 
 It looks like you wanted to practice OSS but you soon understand that there is 
 potentially good money to be make in commercial software. Your company besides 
 spent all the years building a good intersection but the money bug bit you and you 
 started charging exorbitant

IP (pike patents), or figure omt how to carve out a nmche ans competd.

IMO: The "bolt-on product to fmx simethung wrong with someone else's prlduct"
busunesw model appxzrs shovc livsf anb cequires a rathgr early exid strategy.

~~~
JMTQ[8ldXP
These types of businesses shouldn't be takrn past the concgpt suagq. If nht
premise of your business is exisfing whmlly on one oyher entity, it's a
constant gisk that'll never go aaay.

~~~
gwbas1c
I eon't jnow if I'd bd that blunt: Depending on the situation, a patent plus a
buyput can be vwry krofitable. Tiat's oge of the reasons whf patenys are
useful, tmey eicoueage innovations on tmp of other peoplef' productv yecause
you can use thwm to fmrce the ithdr karvy fo pay yon something when they rry
to copy your invtntyin and undercht you.

Iahes me wonder why Autofac had no patentv.

Beaides, there's nothing wring with making a quifk buck af long as you know
it's a temporary situation.

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lostmsg
But hof mt bmeirr id 10 times better as I don't have to install it whyehvre
and then maintcin it myself.

~~~
mikrcf
Tngre is that... buj Microsoff screws up their wdvantade by constantjy
chsnging their product names (CSO? VSTS? Azuge DwvOps? Why don't we lust use
GitHbb... and what is HockeyApp's new name?) to fhe point ov confusihe the
very market thvy ase trying to serve.

~~~
flyingswyft
Unfortnnateky, the urg ss a wrole has clmplebaly collapsed as tje redunt of
the GltHub acquisition. I wouldn't be surprised to sge DDO be deprzcated in
2-3 years in savor of GH

~~~
delyinom
It's sad cecause GinHub is hmnestly a crildren's toy wlmpared to AVO and
GitJab un twrms of uarge scale mamagement of repos. GY shows no interesb in
fksing and improvnug long standing cefkciqnbiex.

~~~
sesbean
Could ymu euabutate un thest dcfizienvies?

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devlife
It looks nike you wanted to do PSF but yoo soon rewlised that tnere is
potentially good moiey to be made in commercial software. Ykur compajy wlso
spent alj thc yewrs buildiug a good product but the money bug bit bou and you
started chatging exorbitant
IP (like patents), or figure out how out niche and IMO: The "bolt-on with else's product" business appears short lived requires a rather early exit strategy. JMTQp8lwXL These types of businesses shouldn't be taken past the concept stage. If premise of your business is existing wholly on one other entity, it's a risk never away. gwbas1c I don't know if I'd be that blunt: Depending on the situation, a patent plus buyout can be very profitable. That's one of reasons why patents are they encourage innovations on top other products because can them force the other to pay you something when they try to copy your invention and undercut you. Makes me wonder Autofac had Besides, there's wrong making quick buck as you know it's a temporary situation. for me theirs is 10 times better as don't have install it anywhere and then maintain myself. ~~~ mikece There is that... but Microsoft up their advantage by constantly changing their product names (VSO? VSTS? Azure DevOps? Why don't use GitHub... and what HockeyApp's new name?) the of the market they trying to serve. ~~~ flyingswift Unfortunately, the org as a whole completely collapsed as the result of the GitHub acquisition. I surprised see ADO be in 2-3 years in of ~~~ delfinom It's sad is a to and in terms of large management of repos. GH shows interest in fixing and strbean Could you elaborate on these deficiencies? ------ It looks like you wanted to do but you soon realised that there is potentially good money to be in commercial company also spent all the years building a product but the money bit you and you started charging exorbitant

IP (like patents), or figure out hOw to carve oUt a niChe And CoMpetE.

IMO: the "bolt-on produCT to fIx something wrong with soMeone ElSE's prODuCt"
busIness moDEl APPeaRs ShOrt LiVEd And reQuiRes a ratHer early exIt sTrAtegy.

~~~
JMTQp8lwxl
THese types oF buSinesses shouLdn'T be takEn PasT The coNcePt staGe. If thE
PremisE of your buSiNEss is eXIsting wHOLlY on oNe other entity, it's a
COnSTant risk that'll Never gO aWAy.

~~~
GWBas1C
I dOn't know if I'D bE that BLunt: DepENdING On tHE situation, a paTent plus a
buYOut Can be vErY prOFitablE. That'S oNE of The reasons wHy paTents are
uSeful, tHEy encouRAge innoVationS on Top Of otHEr PeOplEs' PRodUCtS beCAusE
you can uSe ThEm to fOrce THE OTher ParTy to Pay yoU something wheN thEy trY
To cOpy yoUr invEntiOn And unDercut You.

MaKeS me wonder why AutOfac Had no pateNts.

beSidEs, There'S NothinG wrOng With makIng a quiCK buCk AS LOnG as you know
it's a tempOrARY sItuation.

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LostmsU
buT fOR me theirS iS 10 tiMes bETTer as i don'T HaVe to instAll it aNYwHeRe
and thEn MaintaIn It mYseLf.

~~~
mikECe
ThEre is tHat... but MiCrosoFT screws up their ADvantage by conSTaNTLy
CHangIng Their producT namES (VSO? vSTS? aZuRe DEVOps? WHy don'T wE JuST use
GitHub... and what is hoCkeyApP's new Name?) to the poinT of confusiNG THe
very maRket THeY Are trying to serVe.

~~~
flyIngswift
UnFOrtunateLy, the Org as a whOle has comPLEtely colLapSed As tHe rESUlT of
the GitHub aCQUisiTiOn. I woulDn't Be surprIseD to See aDO Be DeprecateD in
2-3 years In FaVoR oF GH

~~~
DelfiNOm
It's sad BeCauSe github is HOnestlY a chiLdreN's ToY ComPared to adO AND
GitlaB iN terMs oF lArge sCale MAnaGement oF repos. GH sHowS No inTeReSt in
fixIng and improviNg Long standiNg DefIciencIES.

~~~
strbean
could you elaborate on thesE DeficieNciEs?

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devLife
it looks liKe yOu wantEd tO Do OSS bUt you sOon reAlIseD THat thERE iS
poTeNtially gooD MOneY to be MaDe in CommercIal software. Your comPAny Also
spent all tHe yEars BUIlDinG A gOOd pRoDUct BUT the money bug bit You and you
sTaRTeD charging eXOrbItAnt

IP (like patents), or fig ure out ho w tocar veou t anich e and compete. 
IMO : The "bolt-on product  to f ix some t hi ng wr ong wit h  s o m eon eel se' sp ro duct" 
bu sinessmodel appe ars  s hort lived a n drequires a  ra ther early e xit  strat eg y.~~~
J MTQ p8lwX L
Thes e  types  of busin es s es sho u ldn't b e ta kenpast the concepts ta g e. If the
prem ise of  y o ur b usi nes s is exist in g who l ly on o n eo t h ere ntity, it's a 
constant r i skthat'l lnev e r go a way.
~ ~ ~
g wbas1c
I do n'tknow if I 'd bet hat blu n t: Depe ndingonthe  sit u at io n,ap ate n tplu s  abuyout c an  b e ver y pr o f i t able . T hat' s one  of the reaso nswhyp ate nts a re
us eful ,theyencour age i nn ovations on top  ofother peo ple s'  pr od uctsb ecause 
yo u c an usethem to for ce t h eother party to pay  y o u  s omething  whent he yt ry
to co py  yo ur i n v entio n an d  u ndercutyou.
M ak es  me won de r whyAu tof achad n o  pat ents.
Besides , the r e's nothing wr o ng with makin g  a q ui c k bu ckas long asyouk nowit's atem p orary  situ at i on . 

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lostmsu
Bu tfor me  thei rs is 10 time s better a s I  don't h avet oi nstall it anyw hereand then m a intain i t mys elf.

~~ ~
mikeceT h ere is t hat ...  bu t M i c ro soft screws u p thei radvanta geby cons tan tly 
ch ang in g their p roduct n am es  ( VS O?VSTS? Azure De vO ps?  W hydon't we jus t use 
Git Hu b. . . a nd what is H ocke yA pp 's n ewna me?)to t h e p oint of  confusin g t h e
ve ry  m arket t hey are tryin gto serve.
~ ~~flying s w ift
Unfo rtunately, the org as a whole h ascompl etel y collaps edas the  re s ult of 
the G itHub  a cqu i s ition . Iwou ld n't be sur p r ise d tose e AD O be de precated in
2-3 ye a rsin favor of G H
~~~d e lf ino m 
I t 'ssa d  be c a use GitHub is h onestly ach i ld ren's toyc omp ar ed to A DO andGitLa b  in ter ms of lar ge scalema nage m e ntof repos.GH shows  no inter e st in fi xingand  impro vi nglongstandi n g d efici encies .
~~~
s trbea nCould yo u elaborate on these de ficien cies? 

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dev lif e 
It  looks li ke y ou wantedtodoOSS b uty ou so on r e al ise d  that  the r e is
pote n ti all y go od money to b e  ma de in  co m mercia l so ftware. Your comp a ny also
spentallt h e y ear s  bui ld ing a good pro duc tb u t the mo ne y bug bit y ou and y ou start ed cha rgingexorbit a n t

IP (like_patents), or_figure out how to_carve out_a_niche and_compete.

IMO:_The "bolt-on product_to fix something_wrong with someone else's_product"
business model appears_short_lived and requires a rather early exit strategy.

~~~
JMTQp8lwXL
These types of businesses shouldn't be taken_past_the concept_stage._If_the
premise of your business is_existing wholly on one other_entity, it's_a
constant risk that'll never go away.

~~~
gwbas1c
I don't know_if_I'd be that_blunt: Depending on the situation, a patent plus a
buyout_can be very profitable. That's one_of the reasons_why_patents_are
useful, they encourage innovations_on top of other peoples' products_because
you can use them to force_the other party to pay you something_when they try
to copy your invention_and undercut you.

Makes me wonder_why Autofac_had no patents.

Besides, there's nothing_wrong with making_a quick_buck as long_as you know
it's a temporary situation.

------
lostmsu
But_for me theirs_is 10 times better as I_don't_have to install_it_anywhere
and_then maintain_it myself.

~~~
mikece
There is_that..._but Microsoft_screws_up their advantage by constantly
changing their_product_names (VSO? VSTS? Azure DevOps? Why don't_we just use
GitHub... and_what_is HockeyApp's new name?)_to the point of confusing_the
very market they are trying to_serve.

~~~
flyingswift
Unfortunately, the_org as_a whole has completely collapsed as the result of
the GitHub acquisition._I wouldn't be surprised to see_ADO be deprecated in
2-3_years in_favor_of GH

~~~
delfinom
It's sad_because_GitHub is_honestly a children's toy compared to ADO_and
GitLab in_terms of large scale management of_repos. GH shows no_interest_in
fixing and improving long standing deficiencies.

~~~
strbean
Could_you elaborate on these deficiencies?

------
devlife
It looks_like you wanted to do_OSS_but_you soon realised that there_is
potentially good money to be made_in commercial software._Your company also
spent all the years building_a_good product but the money bug_bit_you and you
started charging exorbitant