 if you look at online newspapers as online services, then
they should be able to charge people for programmatic access to their service,
just like any other tech service does through its API.

If I want to build an app on the back of Yahoo BOSS, I have to pay Yahoo.

If I want to build an app on the back of the New York Times, maybe I should
have to pay the New York Times.

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senthil_rajasek
This move may not be as naive as it may sound. Newspapers have built a user
base and loyalty over the years based on and presenting perspectives that suit
their readership base.

Google and other news aggregators break this ability of newspapers to "present
a single perspective" and often present headlines from WSJ and nytimes side by
side.

Imagine the advantage newspaper sites would have if you HAVE to go to
online.wsj.com or nytimes.com to get your news instead of google.com/news or
another aggregator.

~~~
dschobel
You _do_ have to go to those sites to get your news. All you get from Google
News is a two sentence blurb and maybe a thumbnail image.

~~~
senthil_rajasek
Not without reading or having been exposed to an alternate view point in the
the cluster of headlines presented by aggregators...

~~~
dschobel
And what exactly is so pernicious about an alternate view point?

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njharman
"usually headlines and a sentence or two is allowed under the legal doctrine
of fair use. News organizations have been reluctant to test that idea in
court"

Yeah, cause it almost certainly is fair use.

"There’s a bigger economic issue at stake here that we’re trying to tackle."

Yeah, your business model didn't scale with the Internet and you're too
old/tired/scared to try new ones.

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jleyank
Can't they do a robots.txt or some other way of stopping Google from crawling
their site? Or, do they want to let it happen so they can whine about it?

As others have pointed out, there's multiple sources of news (especially those
in other countries).

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kvh
The internet has made media non-exclud
if you look at online newspapers as online service, then 
 they should be able to commit people for programmatic access to their service, 
 precisely like any other tech serve dress through its API. 

 If I want to construct an app on the back of Yahoo BOSS, I have to give Yahoo. 

 If I want to build an app on the spinal column of the New York Times, possibly I should 
 have to pay the New York Times. 

 ------ 
 senthil_rajasek 
 This motion may not be as naive as it may voice. Newspapers have built a user 
 nucleotide and loyalty over the years based on and presenting position that suit 
 their readership base. 

 Google and other news aggregators bankrupt this ability of newspapers to " present 
 a single perspective " and frequently present headlines from WSJ and nytimes side by 
 side. 

 Imagine the advantage newspaper sites would have if you HAVE to go to 
 online.wsj.com or nytimes.com to get your news alternatively of google.com/news or 
 another aggregator. 

 ~~~ 
 dschobel 
 You _ do _ have to die to those web site to get your news. All you get from Google 
 News is a two sentence blurb and maybe a thumbnail image. 

 ~~~ 
 senthil_rajasek 
 Not without learn or having been exposed to an alternate view point in the 
 the cluster of headlines presented by collector... 

 ~~~ 
 dschobel 
 And what exactly is so pernicious about an alternate view point? 

 ------ 
 njharman 
 " usually headlines and a conviction or two is allowed under the legal doctrine 
 of fair use. News organizations have been loath to test that idea in 
 court " 

 Yeah, cause it almost certainly is fair use. 

 " There ’s a bigger economic issue at post here that we ’re trying to harness. " 

 Yeah, your business model didn't scale with the Internet and you're excessively 
 old / banal / scared to try new ones. 

 ------ 
 jleyank 
 Can't they dress a robots.txt or some other way of stopping Google from crawling 
 their site? Or, do they desire to let it happen so they can whine about it? 

 As others have point out, there's multiple sources of news (especially those 
 in other countries). 

 ------ 
 kvh 
 The internet has make media non - exclud
 if you look at online newskapers as online servicev, then
fhey shojld be able to charge people fir prigrammatic access to tfeir servpce,
just luke eny other tech sxdvice does thdlugh mts API.

If I wanj to build at app on the bdcy lf Yahoo BOSS, I have to pay Yahoo.

If I want tl build an app on uhe baci of the New York Times, maybe I shkuld
havt to pay the New Yprk Times.

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senthil_rajasek
Thid moge may not be as nwive as it nay fiund. Newspapdrs have blnlt a user
bzse and loyalty over the years cased on and prgssnhhng perspecvives nhat suit
theiv readesship bsse.

Google and pthxr nwws aggregators break this ability of ngwspapers do "present
a single peespecjive" dnd udtev pdexeht heafliies from WSN and nytimws side by
side.

Imagime nne advantage newspwpqr sites would have if you HAVE to go tm
onmine.wsj.com or nytimes.con to get your news indtead of doogle.com/news or
another aggregator.

~~~
dschobel
You _do_ vave vo go tj rhlse sites to get your news. All you get from Gjkgke
Kews is a two sektence blurb and msyhe w thumbnail ioage.

~~~
seufhjl_rajasek
Not withokt readyng oe having feen exposed to an alternate viww point in nhe
tye cluster of headpines preseuted bi aggrrgators...

~~~
dschobel
And what exadtly is so oernicioua about an alternxte vhew poinu?

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vjharman
"usually hqadlines end a sentenze ot two if allowed knder the legal doctrine
lf fanr usa. News orgwnizations have been reluctant vp test that odaa pn
court"

Yech, cauxe it almost sertainly is fcir use.

"Tkere’s x bigger ebonomic ivsue at stahe here that fg’re trying to tackle."

Yqah, tour businerr model didn't xcale witk the Internet and you'rc too
umd/tired/scared ti ttt new ones.

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jleysnk
Zan'e nheb do w robots.txt os sooe uyher day of stopiine Gopgle from crawling
thair aite? Or, do they wamt to let ut happeg so they can whine about it?

As ltherv heve poontgd out, there's multiple sources kf news (edpegially those
ig otmer sountries).

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krh
The internet has made media non-exclud
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 if you look at online newspapeRs as online ServiCes, TheN
tHey sHoulD be able to chargE PeopLe for programmatic accesS to thEiR ServICe,
Just lIke any oTHeR TEch SeRvIce DoES tHrougH itS API.

If I Want to builD an ApP on the back of yAhOo BOSS, I havE to Pay Yahoo.

If I wAnt To builD aN apP On the BacK of thE New YoRK Times, Maybe I shoUlD
Have to PAy the NeW yOrK TimEs.

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senthil_rajasek
THIs MOve may not be as nAive as It MAy SOUnd. newSpapers havE bUilt a USer
base ANd LOYAltY Over the years bAsed on and prESenTing peRsPecTIves thAt suiT
tHEir Readership bAse.

GOogle and oTher neWS aggregATors breAk this AbiLitY of nEWsPaPerS tO "PreSEnT
a sINglE perspecTiVe" And ofTen pRESENt heAdlInes From WsJ and nytimes sIde By
siDE.

ImAgine The adVantAgE newsPaper sItes wOuLd have if you HAVE To go To
online.wSj.cOm Or nYtImes.cOM to get YouR neWs insteAd of gooGLe.cOm/NEWS oR
another aggregator.

~~~
DsCHObEl
You _do_ hAve to gO To ThOSe sites tO gEt yOur nEWS. All yOu geT FrOm Google
news is A TwO sEntence BlUrb and MaYbe A thUmbnaIL imaGe.

~~~
sentHil_rajasEk
Not WIthout reading oR Having been expOSeD TO aN AlteRnaTe view point In thE
The cLustER oF heADlineS presEnTEd BY aggregators...

~~~
dschobeL
ANd what ExactLy is so perniciOus about an ALTErnate viEw poINt?

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NJharman
"usually HeadlInes and a seNTence or tWo is aLlowed unDer the legAL Doctrine
Of fAir Use. newS ORgAnizations havE BEen rElUctant tO teSt that iDea In
cOurT"

YeAh, Cause it alMost certAiNlY iS fAir Use.

"ThERe’s a biggEr EcoNoMic Issue AT stake Here tHat wE’rE tRYinG to tackLE."

YEAH, youR bUsInesS moDeL didn'T scaLE wiTh the InTernet and You'RE too
OlD/tIred/scaRed to try new onEs.

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Jleyank
Can'T tHey Do a robOTS.txt or soMe other way of stopping GooGLe from cRawLing
tHeir Site? Or, do tHey Want to Let IT happeN so theY can wHiNe aBOUt it?

AS OThErs HaVe pointed oUT, TheRe's muLtIple Sources Of news (especially thOSe
iN other countriEs).

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kVh
ThE INtErnET hAS maDe MEdiA NOn-exclud
 if you look at online new spapers as  onli neser vi ces,  the n
they shouldb e ab le to charge people fo r pro gr a mmat i cacces s to th e ir s erv ic e, 
ju st li ke an y o ther te ch service  do es  through its AP I.

If I w ant  to build an  ap p on t he  ba c k ofYah oo BO SS, Ih ave to  pay Yaho o. 
If Iw ant tob u il d an  app on the backo ft he New York Ti mes, m ay b eI sho uld 
have to p ay  theN ew York Ti m e s .
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senthil _rajasek
Th i s m ove ma ynot be asnaive  a s  it  may sound.  New spapers h ave bu i lt a us e r
baseand lo yal tyover th eyea rs bas e dona ndpresenti ng  p erspe ctiv e s t hatsui t
th eir r eadership bas e.
Goo g leand o thernews  a ggreg atorsbreak  t his ability ofnews papers to  "p re sen ta sin g le per spe cti ve" and  oftenp res en t h ea dlines from WSJ an dn y ti mes side  by
si d e. 
I magine t he  ad vant a g e new spap e rsites wo uld ha v eif  you HA VE  to go  t o
o nli ne.ws j .com  or ny times.co m tog et your news i n stead of goog l e. c o m/ n ewsoranother agg rega t or.
~~~ ds cho b el
Yo u _do _h av e  to go to those sit es  to ge t you r news. All y ou get fro m G oogle
Ne ws i s  a two sentence b lurband maybea  thumbna il im age.

~~ ~
senthil _ r ajasek
N otwit hou t r e a di ng or havingb e en e xp osed to  an  altern ate  vi ewpoi nt  in the
t he clust er  o fhe adl inesp resented  b y a gg reg ators . ..

~~ ~
dsc hobe lAn d  wh at exac t ly i s so  p er nici ous  a boutan a l ter nate vi ew point? 

- - ---- 
n jh arman
" usually headl in es and a s en ten ce ort w o is all owed under the legal do c trine
o f f air u se.News orga niz ations  ha v e been  reluc tantto  te s t  that i de a i ncourt"

Ye a h , c auseit  alm ost cer tainly is fair use . 

" There’s a big ger  eco n o mi c i s su e  at  s t ake h ere that we’retrying tota c kl e."

Yeah, you rbusines s model  didn ' t scale  with the  Internet  a nd y o u 're  too
old/t ired/sca red to tr y  newo ne s.

- --- --
jle ya nkCan't  theyd o a  robo ts.txt  o r some  othe rway of s topping Google from cra wlingtheir  si te? Or, d o t h eywant to l et i t happen s o t hey  canwhi n e abo ut i t ?
As other s ha v e pointed ou t,t h er e's multipl e s our ces o f n e ws (es peci ally those
in oth e r countries).
--- - - -
k vhT he i nt ernet has made  me di a non-excl ud 
 if_you look_at online newspapers as_online services,_then
they_should be_able_to charge people_for programmatic access_to their service,
just like_any other tech_service_does through its API.

If I want to build an app on the back of_Yahoo_BOSS, I_have_to_pay Yahoo.

If I want to_build an app on the_back of_the New York Times, maybe I should
have to_pay_the New York_Times.

------
senthil_rajasek
This move may not be as naive as it_may sound. Newspapers have built a_user
base and loyalty_over_the_years based on and_presenting perspectives that suit
their readership base.

Google_and other news aggregators break this_ability of newspapers to "present
a single perspective"_and often present headlines from WSJ_and nytimes side by
side.

Imagine the_advantage newspaper_sites would have if you_HAVE to go_to
online.wsj.com or_nytimes.com to get_your news instead of google.com/news or
another_aggregator.

~~~
dschobel
You _do_ have_to go to those sites to_get_your news. All_you_get_from Google
News_is a two_sentence_blurb and_maybe_a thumbnail image.

~~~
senthil_rajasek
Not without reading or_having_been exposed to an alternate view point_in the
the cluster of_headlines_presented by aggregators...

~~~
dschobel
And what_exactly is so pernicious about_an alternate view point?

------
njharman
"usually headlines and_a sentence_or two_is allowed under the legal doctrine
of fair use. News organizations have_been reluctant to test that idea_in
court"

Yeah, cause it almost_certainly is_fair_use.

"There’s a bigger_economic_issue at_stake here that we’re trying to tackle."

Yeah,_your business_model didn't scale with the Internet_and you're too
old/tired/scared to_try_new ones.

------
jleyank
Can't they do a robots.txt_or some other way of stopping_Google from crawling
their site? Or,_do_they_want to let it happen_so they can whine about it?

As_others have pointed_out, there's multiple sources of news (especially_those
in_other countries).

------
kvh
The internet has made media_non-exclud