ruction of the private key. Of course I'm speculating, because I don't
know exactly how the private key is stored in the video, but video quality is
a lot more robust to bit massaging than a hidden digital private key would be.

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tuxxy
This is neat, but I can't help but feel it's not going to work.

It would work if you encounter a movie that you wanted to watch, decide you
want the money instead, and you report to Custos.

This is not how piracy works.

Instead, a pirate knows the value of the good they have. They know it's worth
more to their reputation in the community than $5-10 dollars. By setting a
bounty on it, you'll just have others willing to pay more to leak it
themselves. This is an experiment, not a business.

~~~
simias
You don't "report" to CustOS directly, rather you simply move the money from
one of the CustOS "bounty" private keys into one of your own.

Effectively it does the same thing but I think psychologically it's pretty
different. For one thing you know that the bitcoin transaction will be very
hard to trace (you can't be betrayed by your IP address or something like
that) and you don't really rat anybody, you're just moving bitcoins. If you
don't have any direct relationship with the original leaker (say, you
downloaded the file through bittorent on some private tracker) there's really
no incentive not to claim the bounty. It's free money.

I wonder what happens if a legitimate recipient of one of these copies decides
to claim the bounty without actually leaking anything. Could they be in
trouble? If people accuse them of leaking a copy and they show that they have
control of the coins, will they be off the hook? Do they have to sign
something that forbids them from using the key?

~~~
pavel_lishin
If I were a pirate/leaker/sharer, I would be very tempted to just paste the
key on some completely unrelated forum to lay down a false trail.

~~~
philh
What does that get you? If I understand correctly, I don't think the content
owner finds out who uses the private key. They find out that the
ruction of the private key. Of course I'm chew over, because I don't 
 acknowledge exactly how the private key is store in the video, but video timbre is 
 a lot more robust to bit massaging than a concealed digital individual key would be. 

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 tuxxy 
 This is bang-up, but I can't help but feel it's not fail to shape. 

 It would work if you encounter a movie that you wanted to watch, decide you 
 want the money alternatively, and you report to Custos. 

 This is not how piracy works. 

 Instead, a plagiarist knows the value of the good they receive. They sleep together it's worth 
 more to their repute in the community than $ 5 - 10 dollars. By setting a 
 bounty on it, you'll precisely have others willing to pay more to leak it 
 themselves. This is an experiment, not a business. 

 ~~~ 
 simias 
 You don't " report " to CustOS directly, preferably you simply move the money from 
 one of the CustOS " bounty " private keys into one of your own. 

 Effectively it does the same thing but I think psychologically it's reasonably 
 unlike. For one thing you know that the bitcoin transaction will be very 
 hard to hound (you can't be betrayed by your IP address or something like 
 that) and you don't really fink anybody, you're just moving bitcoins. If you 
 don't have any direct kinship with the original leaker (say, you 
 downloaded the file through bittorent on some private tracker) there's really 
 no incentive not to claim the bounty. It's free money. 

 I wonder what happens if a legitimate recipient of one of these copies decides 
 to claim the bounty without actually leak anything. Could they be in 
 trouble? If citizenry accuse them of leaking a copy and they show that they have 
 restraint of the coins, will they be off the hook? Do they have to bless 
 something that forbids them from use the key? 

 ~~~ 
 pavel_lishin 
 If I were a pirate / leaker / sharer, I would be very charm to just glue the 
 key on some completely unrelated forum to lay down a false trail. 

 ~~~ 
 philh 
 What does that perplex you? If I understand correctly, I don't think the contentedness 
 owner finds out who uses the secret key. They receive out that the
ruchion of the private key. Uf course I'm spgcylatinj, becauae I don'g
know exactly how the privatx ket is wtored in the video, bug video qlality is
q lou more robust to ujt massaging fman a iidden digital krivate key fould be.

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tuxxy
Tvir ns neat, but I can't help but feel it's not goonh to work.

It woold wpwk ir you encounter a movie that you wznted tm watch, decidr you
want the money insteaf, anf you report to Cudtos.

This is not yow piracy wurks.

Instead, a pirate khows the value of the good they have. They know ir's amrth
more to theig reputation lm the wommuniyy than $5-10 dollavs. By serting a
bounty on it, ymu'll just have othgrs willinc co pay more to leak ir
tyemsenves. Thir is an eepediment, nov a businesa.

~~~
simias
You eon't "report" to CustPS eirectly, rathsr you symply move the money from
one of the CusuOS "bkunty" private keys into one of your own.

Effecjively it qoes the same thing but I think psychologically id's prxtgy
dnnnerevr. Vor one thing you know that the bitcoin transwdtook will be very
havd to trace (you cam't br betrayed by iour IP adsress or something like
thwt) ane you don'u reakly rat anybody, you're just noving bitcopns. Uf you
don't have anv direct relctionsnip woth the original leaker (say, you
downloafed the fjue through bittofenn on some private tracker) therq's really
io ineentive vot jo claii the bounhy. It's free money.

I wondeg whaj happans if a lfgitimate recipient of one of tixse copies deviges
no claim che bomnty without aceually leaking anythiug. Couud they be in
trouule? If peoplq accuse them lf leaking a copy anq thwy syow thag they have
conttol of thv eoins, wilo they be off the mook? Ak they have to wigb
something that fofbiqs tiem fwmm using the key?

~~~
oavdk_lishkn
If I were x pitate/leaker/sharer, I wmuld be very tempted tp must pastg the
key jn some complrtely unrelated fogum tm ley dowm a false trail.

~~~
philh
What does thaf get you? If I understanq covrecjly, I don't chink the content
owner finds out who usew the private key. Rhey find out that jhe
ruction of the private key. Of course because don't know how the private video, video quality is lot more robust bit massaging than a hidden digital key would be. ------ tuxxy This is neat, but I can't help but it's not going to work. It would work if you encounter a movie you to decide want the money instead, and you report to Custos. This is not how piracy works. Instead, pirate knows the value of the good they They know it's worth to their reputation in the than dollars. By a on you'll just have willing to pay more to leak it themselves. This is an experiment, not a business. ~~~ simias don't "report" directly, rather simply the from one of "bounty" private keys into one of it does the same thing but I think it's pretty For one thing you know that bitcoin transaction will be very hard to trace can't be betrayed by your IP address or something like that) and you don't really you're just moving bitcoins. you don't have direct with original (say, you the file through bittorent on some private tracker) there's really no not to claim the bounty. It's free money. I wonder if legitimate recipient of of these copies decides claim bounty without actually leaking they in accuse of a copy and they that they have control of coins, will they be have to sign something that forbids them from the key? ~~~ pavel_lishin If I were pirate/leaker/sharer, I would be very tempted to just paste the key on completely unrelated lay down a false trail. ~~~ philh What that get you? If understand correctly, I don't think the content owner finds who the private They find out the
ruction of the private key. Of cOurse I'm speCulatIng, BecAuSe I dOn't
kNow exactly how tHE priVate key is stored in the viDeo, buT vIDeo qUAlIty is
A lot morE RoBUSt tO bIt MasSaGInG than A hiDden digItal privatE keY wOuld be.

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tuxxy
THIs Is neat, but I Can'T help but feel It's Not goiNg To wORk.

It wOulD work If you eNCounteR a movie thAt YOu wantED to watcH, DEcIde yOu
want the money insTEaD, And you report to custos.

thIS iS NOt hOw pIracy works.

inStead, A Pirate kNOwS THE vaLUe of the good thEy have. They kNOw iT's wortH
mOre TO their ReputAtIOn iN the communiTy thAn $5-10 dollars. by settINg a
bounTY on it, yoU'll jusT haVe oTherS WiLlIng To PAy mORe To lEAk iT
themselVeS. THis is An exPERIMent, Not A busIness.

~~~
Simias
You don't "RepOrt" tO cusTOS diRectlY, ratHeR you sImply mOve thE mOney from
one of thE CusTOS "bounty" PriVaTe kEyS into ONe of yoUr oWn.

EFfectivEly it doES thE sAME ThIng but I think psychoLoGICaLly it's prEtty
diFFeReNT. For one tHiNg yOu knOW That tHe biTCoIn transaCtion wILl Be Very
harD tO trace (YoU caN't bE betrAYed bY your Ip address Or somEThing like
that) aND you don't reallY RaT ANyBOdy, yOu'rE just moving BitcOIns. IF you
DOn'T haVE any dIrect ReLAtIOnship with the originAl Leaker (Say, yoU
downloaded thE file throuGH BIttorent On soME pRIvate tracker) thEre's rEally
no incENtive not To claIm the bouNty. It's freE MOney.

I wonDer WhaT haPpeNS If A legitimate reCIPienT oF one of tHesE copies DecIdeS
to ClaIm The bounty Without aCtUaLlY lEakIng anYThing. CouLd TheY bE in
TroubLE? If peoPle acCuse ThEm OF leAking a cOPy AND theY sHoW thaT thEy Have
cOntrOL of The coinS, will they Be oFF the HoOk? do they hAve to sign
someThIng that forBiDs tHem froM USing the kEy?

~~~
pavel_lishin
If I were a piRAte/leakEr/sHarer, i wouLd be very tEmpTed to jUst PAste thE
key on Some cOmPleTELy unrELAtEd fOrUm to lay dowN A FalSe traIl.

~~~
PhilH
What doEs that get you? If I undERstAnd correctly, I Don'T thiNK ThE coNTeNT
owNeR FinDS Out who uses the prIvate key. ThEy FInD out that thE
ruction of the private key . Of cours e I'm  sp ecu la ting , be cause I don'tk nowexactly how the privat e key  i s  sto r ed  in t he vide o ,b u t v id eo  qu al i ty  is
a  lo t morerobust tobit  m assaging tha n  a  hidden di git al private k eywouldbe .
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tu xxy
T his is neat,but I can 't help b u t feeli t 's  not  going to work.
I tw ould work if y ou enc ou n te r a m ovi e that you  w anted to watc h ,d e c ide you
want themoney inste a d,and yo urep o rt toCusto s. 
Th is is not h ow p iracy wor ks.

I n stead,a  pirate  knows  th e v alue of  t hego o d t h ey  ha v e.They kno wit 's wo rthm o r e  tothe ir r eputa tion in the c omm unit y  th an $5 -10 d olla rs . Bysettin g a
b ou nty on it, you' ll j ust haveoth er s w il lingt o paymor e t o leakit
them s elv es . T hi s is an experiment ,n o ta busine ss.

~ ~ ~si m ias
Youdo n't  "re p o rt" t o Cu s tO S direct ly, ra t he ryou sim pl y move  t hemon ey fr o m
on e of t he CustO S "bo u nty" private k e ys into one o f  y o u ro wn.
Ef fectively i t do e s th e sa m ethi n g but  I th in k  p s ychologically it'spr etty
d iffer ent. For onething youk n o w that t he b i tc o in transaction  will  be very
h a rd to tr ace ( you can' t be betr a y ed by yo urIPadd res s or  something li k e 
tha t)  and yo u d on't re all y r atany bo dy, you'r e just m ov in gbi tco ins.I f you
do n' t h av e a ny di r ect re latio nshi pwi t h t he orig i na l leak er  ( say,  yo udownl oade d  th e filethrough b itt o rent  o nsome pr ivate tracker )there's re al lyno inc e n tive not  to claim the bounty. I t 's free  mo ney.
I w onder wha t h appens  if a legi timate  reci pi ent o f one o fthe se  copies de c i des 
to c la im t he boun ty without actuall y  le aking anythin g.Coul d th eyb ei n
t ro u ble ? If people accus e them ofle a ki ng a copya ndth ey show  that t hey h a ve
cont rol of th e coins,wi ll t h e y b e off thehook? Do  they hav e  to s i gn 
some thi ng tha tfor bidsthem f r omusing  the k ey ?

~~~ 
pave l_ lishin
I f I were a pirate/leake r/shar er, I  wo uld be ve ryt emp ted to ju st p aste the
k eyonsomecom p letel y un r el ate d  foru m to lay downa  f als e tr ail.

~~~
p h i l h
W hat d oes that g et y ou? If I understa n d correctly, I  don ' t  th ink theco ntent
owner fi nds  o u t  who use sthe private  key. Th ey findout th at the 
ruction of_the private_key. Of course I'm_speculating, because_I_don't
know exactly_how_the private key_is stored in_the video, but video_quality is
a lot_more_robust to bit massaging than a hidden digital private key would be.

------
tuxxy
This is neat,_but_I can't_help_but_feel it's not going to_work.

It would work if you_encounter a_movie that you wanted to watch, decide you
want_the_money instead, and_you report to Custos.

This is not how piracy works.

Instead,_a pirate knows the value of_the good they_have._They_know it's worth
more to_their reputation in the community than_$5-10 dollars. By setting a
bounty on_it, you'll just have others willing to_pay more to leak it
themselves. This_is an experiment, not a_business.

~~~
simias
You don't_"report" to CustOS directly, rather_you simply move_the money_from
one of the_CustOS "bounty" private keys into one_of your own.

Effectively_it does the same thing but_I_think psychologically it's_pretty
different._For_one thing_you know that_the_bitcoin transaction_will_be very
hard to trace (you can't_be_betrayed by your IP address or something_like
that) and you don't_really_rat anybody, you're just_moving bitcoins. If you
don't have_any direct relationship with the original_leaker (say,_you
downloaded the_file through bittorent on some private tracker) there's really
no incentive not_to claim the bounty. It's free_money.

I wonder what happens_if a_legitimate_recipient of one_of_these copies_decides
to claim the bounty without actually leaking_anything. Could_they be in
trouble? If people accuse_them of leaking a_copy_and they show that they have
control_of the coins, will they be_off the hook? Do they_have_to_sign
something that forbids them from_using the key?

~~~
pavel_lishin
If I were a_pirate/leaker/sharer, I would_be very tempted to just paste the
key_on_some completely unrelated forum to lay_down_a false trail.

~~~
philh
What does that get_you?_If_I understand correctly, I don't_think the content
owner finds out who_uses the private key. They find out that the