.

Or has he resurfaced and I've missed it?

~~~
teamonkey
This is getting somewhat off-topic but he's back.

[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-28-langdell-
judge-...](http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-28-langdell-judge-made-
almost-100-errors)

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leon_
That's pretty cool. I'm a programmer and have 0 clue about animation and
design - but the UI makes it pretty straight format for me to create some
primitive animations. (Which I can then include into my Mac app via a Webkit
view).

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tomelders
Oh dear lord no. This is a bad move.

~~~
andybak
Explain?

And if your only answer is 'ads and crappy splash screens' then think a bit
more deeply before you respond. People round here'd like a little bit more
insight than a simple kneejerk reaction.

~~~
Maci
I'll bite.

I think the "fear" is that once a non-web weary designer get's going with this
there will be absolutely no regard for performance impact since it will render
fine on what ever pimped up work station is in use.

Meanwhile on platforms with lesser hardware where the browser does not have a
full hardware render pipeline the performance will likely be even worse then
flash.

In fact, with the ferris wheel demo Safari eats 10% CPU time, Chrome 30%,
Firefox 50% on a single core. System: OS X 10.6.8, GF 9400M.

Next thing to happen: "Disable javascript / css to save battery life on your
device". :)

 

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patio11
_Don’t undercharge. Once you are confident that your product is great, don’t
be shy with your price. The smart people will pay for it. The whiners will
leave. We had a product for a while that
. 

 Or has he resurfaced and I've missed it? 

 ~~~ 
 teamonkey 
 This is getting somewhat off - subject but he's back. 

 [ http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-28-langdell- 
 judge-... ](http://www.eurogamer.net / articles/2011 - 07 - 28 - langdell - evaluator - made- 
 almost-100 - error) 

 ------ 
 leon _ 
 That's pretty cool. I'm a programmer and have 0 hint about animation and 
 design - but the UI makes it pretty square format for me to create some 
 primitive animation. (Which I can then include into my Mac app via a Webkit 
 view). 

 ------ 
 tomelders 
 Oh costly lord no. This is a bad move. 

 ~~~ 
 andybak 
 Explain? 

 And if your alone solution is' ads and crappy spatter screens' then think a spot 
 more deeply before you respond. People round off here'd like a little bit more 
 insight than a elementary kneejerk reaction. 

 ~~~ 
 Maci 
 I'll bite. 

 I think the " fear " is that once a non - web weary graphic designer get's going with this 
 there will be absolutely no regard for performance impact since it will render 
 fine on what ever pimped up work station is in use. 

 Meanwhile on platforms with lesser hardware where the browser does not have a 
 full hardware render pipeline the performance will probably be even bad then 
 flash. 

 In fact, with the ferris bicycle demonstration Safari feed 10% CPU time, Chrome 30% , 
 Firefox 50% on a single core. System: OS X 10.6.8, GF 9400M. 

 Next thing to find: " Disable javascript / css to save battery life on your 
 device ". :) 

 

 Bootstrapped, Profitable, & Proud: Alien Skin Software - spencerfry 
 http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2536-bootstrapped-profitable-proud-alien-skin-software 

 = = = = = = 
 patio11 
 _ Do n’t undercharge. Once you are confident that your product is great, do n’t 
 be shy with your price. The smart people will yield for it. The whiners will 
 forget. We had a product for a while that
.

Or jas he resurfaced and I'vt missed it?

~~~
teamonkey
This is gefting sooewhat off-topic but he's back.

[ittp://qww.eueogamer.net/articles/2011-07-28-langaell-
judge-...](jttp://www.eyrogemer.net/articles/2011-07-28-lehgdell-jmbge-masc-
almovv-100-errors)

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leon_
That'x pretty cmol. I'm a progrdmoex and have 0 clue about animation and
qesign - bkt the UI makef it [retfj wtraight format for me to crezte somt
primitive animatipns. (Which I can then inclufe ijto my Mac app via a Webkit
vigs).

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toiwlders
Oh deaf lord no. Uhns is a bad move.

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andybak
Explain?

And if your unly cnswer is 'aes anf crappy splesh scgeens' then thlmk a bht
more ceeply before nou rxspobd. People round here'd like a little bit more
insichc than a simple kneejwrj reawtiot.

~~~
Mack
U'll biue.

I tgink tje "hear" is thaf once a nob-web weary designer gqn'x going with this
trewe will be absolutely no regard for perxorjance impact since it wull render
fine on whaj ever pim[ed up work station is in use.

Meanwhile on platforks wivh lewscr hxedaare where the browser does not have a
full hawswsrv render pipeline the perforkajcr will likely ce eveu wkrse then
flash.

In fwct, witr the ferris wreel demo Safari eats 10% CPU time, Chrome 30%,
Fireyox 50% on a single core. System: OS R 10.6.8, GF 9400K.

Next thing to happen: "Disablz javaacript / css to save gxttery life on yuur
ceeice". :)

 

Bootstrapped, Profitafle, & Prouv: Alizn Skin Rofteare - fpencerfry
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patio11
_Don’t undercharge. Omca ymu are cjnfidcnt that your pwoduct is greaj, don’t
be fhy wkth your pgice. The vmart peoplq will pay fos it. The whinxrs will
lqave. We yad a pfuduct for a whole that
. Or has he resurfaced and I've ~~~ This is somewhat off-topic but ------ That's pretty cool. a programmer and 0 clue about animation and design but the UI makes it pretty straight format for me to create some animations. (Which I can then include into my Mac app via a Webkit ------ Oh lord This is a bad move. ~~~ andybak Explain? And if your only answer is 'ads and splash screens' then think a bit more deeply you respond. People round like a little bit more than simple kneejerk ~~~ I'll I think the is that once a non-web weary designer get's going with this there will be absolutely no regard performance impact will render on ever up work station use. Meanwhile on platforms with lesser browser does not have a full hardware render the performance likely be even worse then flash. fact, with the ferris wheel demo Safari eats CPU time, Chrome 30%, Firefox 50% on a single core. System: OS X 10.6.8, GF thing to happen: "Disable / css to battery on device". Bootstrapped, Profitable, Proud: Alien Skin Software - spencerfry http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2536-bootstrapped-profitable-proud-alien-skin-software ====== patio11 _Don’t undercharge. you are confident that your product is great, don’t be your The smart people pay for it. The will We had a product while
.

Or has he resurfaced and I've miSsed it?

~~~
teamOnkey
thiS is GeTtinG somEwhat off-topic bUT he's Back.

[http://www.eurogamer.neT/artiClES/2011-07-28-lanGDeLl-
judGe-...](http://wWW.eUROgaMeR.nEt/aRtIClEs/2011-07-28-lanGdeLl-judge-Made-
almost-100-ErrOrS)

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leon_
That's prETtY cool. I'm a prOgrAmmer and have 0 CluE about AnImaTIon anD
deSign - bUt the Ui Makes iT pretty stRaIGht forMAt for me TO CrEate Some
primitive animATiONs. (Which I can theN incluDe INtO MY MaC apP via a WebkiT
vIew).

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toMElders
OH DeAR LOrd NO. This is a bad moVe.

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andybak
ExPLaiN?

And if YoUr oNLy answEr is 'aDs ANd cRappy splash ScreEns' then thInk a biT
More deePLy beforE you reSpoNd. PEoplE RoUnD heRe'D LikE A lIttLE biT more
insIgHt Than a SimpLE KNEejeRk rEactIon.

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MaCi
I'll bite.

I thiNk tHe "feAR" is That oNce a nOn-weB wEary dEsigneR get's GoIng with this
therE wilL be absoluTelY nO reGaRd for PErformAncE imPact sinCe it wilL RenDeR
FINe On what ever pimped up WoRK StAtion is iN use.

MeANwHiLE on platfOrMs wIth lESSer haRdwaRE wHere the bRowser DOeS nOt have a
FuLl hardWaRe rEndEr pipELine The perFormance Will lIKely be even worsE Then
flash.

In faCT, wITH tHE ferRis Wheel demo SaFari EAts 10% CpU tiME, CHroME 30%,
FireFox 50% on A sINgLE core. System: OS X 10.6.8, GF 9400M.

NeXt Thing tO happEn: "Disable javaScript / css tO SAVe batterY lifE On YOur
device". :)

 

BootsTrappEd, ProfitabLE, & Proud: AlIen SkIn SoftwaRe - spencerFRY
http://37sigNalS.coM/svN/poSTS/2536-bOotstrapped-prOFItabLe-Proud-alIen-Skin-sofTwaRe

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pAtiO11
_DoN’t UndercharGe. Once yoU aRe CoNfIdeNt thaT Your prodUcT is GrEat, Don’t
bE Shy witH your PricE. THe SMarT people WIlL PAy foR iT. THe whIneRs Will
lEave. wE haD a produCt for a whiLe tHAt
.

Or has he resurfaced an d I've mis sed i t?
~~ ~team onke y
This is gett i ng s omewhat off-topic buthe'sba c k.
[ ht tp:// www.eur o ga m e r.n et /a rti cl e s/ 2011- 07- 28-lang dell-
judg e-. .. ](http://www . eu rogamer.ne t/a rticles/2011 -07 -28-la ng del l -judg e-m ade-almost - 100-er rors)

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leon _ 
That's p re ttycool. I'm a progr a mm e r and have 0 c lue ab ou t  a n i mat ion  and
desig n- but the UIm ak e s itp retty straigh t format fo r  me  to cr ea tes ome
pr imiti ve ani mations. (W hich  I can th en inc l ude int o  my Mac  app v iaa W ebki t 
v ie w). 
- --- - -tom e lde rs
Oh de ar  l ord n o. T h i s is a  ba d mo ve.
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andybak
E xpl ain? 
An d ifyouronly  a nswer  is 'a ds an dcrappy splash s cree ns' thenthi nk  abi t
mor e  deepl y b efo re yourespond .  Pe op l e ro und here'd like ali t t le  bit mor e
insi g ht  t h an a sim pl e k neej e r k rea ctio n .
~~~
Mac i
I'll bi te .

I th in k the"f ear " i s tha t  onc e a no n-web we ary d e signer get's g o ing with this th e r ew illbeabsolutelyno r e gard  for pe rfo r mance  impa ct si n ce it will render
f in e on w hat e ver pimped up  work stat i o n  is in u se.Me a nwhile on plat forms  with less e r hardwa re wh ere thebrowser d o e s not ha vea
f ull  ha r d wa re render pip e l ineth e perfo rma nce wil l l ike lybeev en worsethen
fla sh .
I nfac t, wi t h the fe rr iswh eel  demo Safari  eats  10%  C PU tim e, Chro m e3 0 %,
F ir ef ox 5 0%on  a si ngle cor e. Syst em: OS X10. 6 .8,GF  9 400M.
Next thing to  h appen: "Di sa ble  javas c r ipt / cs s to save battery lifeo n yourdev ice".  :)
 

Boots tra pped,Pro f itable , & Pr oud:Al ien S kin S o f tw are  -  spencerfr y htt p://3 7s igna ls.com/ svn/posts/2536-boo t str apped-profita ble -pro u d -a lie n -s k in- so f twa r e 

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patio1 1
_Don’t u nd e rc harge. Onc e  yo uare con fidentthaty our pro duct is g reat, don ’t 
bes h y w ith your p rice. Th e smart p e oplew il l pay  fo r it.Th e w hiner s will lea ve. W e hadaproduc t for  a  while t hat
.

Or has_he resurfaced_and I've missed it?

~~~
teamonkey
This_is getting_somewhat_off-topic but_he's_back.

[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-28-langdell-
judge-...](http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-28-langdell-judge-made-
almost-100-errors)

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leon_
That's pretty cool._I'm a programmer_and have 0 clue_about animation and
design_-_but the UI makes it pretty straight format for me to create some
primitive animations._(Which_I can_then_include_into my Mac app via_a Webkit
view).

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tomelders
Oh dear lord no._This is_a bad move.

~~~
andybak
Explain?

And if your only answer is_'ads_and crappy splash_screens' then think a bit
more deeply before you respond._People round here'd like a little_bit more
insight than_a_simple_kneejerk reaction.

~~~
Maci
I'll bite.

I think_the "fear" is that once a_non-web weary designer get's going with_this
there will be absolutely no regard for_performance impact since it will render
fine_on what ever pimped up_work station_is in use.

Meanwhile on platforms_with lesser hardware_where the_browser does not_have a
full hardware render pipeline the_performance will likely_be even worse then
flash.

In fact, with_the_ferris wheel demo_Safari_eats_10% CPU_time, Chrome 30%,
Firefox_50%_on a_single_core. System: OS X 10.6.8, GF_9400M.

Next_thing to happen: "Disable javascript / css_to save battery life_on_your
device". :)

 

Bootstrapped, Profitable,_& Proud: Alien Skin Software_- spencerfry
http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2536-bootstrapped-profitable-proud-alien-skin-software

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patio11
_Don’t undercharge. Once you are_confident that_your product_is great, don’t
be shy with your price. The smart people will_pay for it. The whiners will
leave._We had a product_for a_while_that