 the
Internet looks like they’re being paid off.

Really makes you wonder what kind of administration she’d run. Seems like
money always turns up wherever she turns up; the direction of causality is up
to your imagination.

~~~
raddad
Don't politicians pretty much buy their votes? Only difference is where the
money comes from and how they spend it. I haven't looked into it, but I wonder
what the price for a vote is these days?

~~~
FooNull
Depends on whose vote

------
Dirlewanger
FEC reform is the number one thing that the US federal government needs but no
member of Congress will ever touch. All presidential campaign funds must be
100% publicly funded. I don't care how much more it taxes onto federal tax or
how un-American it is. This shit will never end otherwise.

~~~
maxerickson
I'm turning into a single issue troll with this, but I think we can make a
positive change at the state level by changing ballot access. Just stop
allowing parties to nominate candidates.

The machines can still endorse a candidate, but we could gut the national
election process one state at a time by requiring any individual that wants to
be listed on a ballot to submit petitions for that ballot, rather than
receiving the blessings of a privately run national organization.

~~~
tamana
How would that solve any problems?

Submitting a petition to be on a ballot is a basic effort for national party.
That's practically the the reason a national party exists in the first place.

~~~
maxerickson
It would make the conventions irrelevant. The national party chooses the
candidate to place on ballots using whatever rules they set for the national
convention. If that wasn't the case, there wouldn't be all the procedural
nonsense that we see put towards trying to win the national conventions,
people that thought they had a serious shot at getting a plurality of votes
would organize to get themselves on ballots. We'd have a ballot this fall with
10 names on it, not 2.5.

Click to show the partisan requirements here and note the huge disparities
with independents:

[https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candi...](https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot
the 
 Internet looks like they ’re being paid off. 

 Really makes you wonder what kind of presidency she ’d ply. Seems like 
 money always turns up wherever she change state up; the direction of causality is up 
 to your imagination. 

 ~~~ 
 raddad 
 Don't politician pretty much bribe their right to vote? Only remainder is where the 
 money comes from and how they spend it. I haven't looked into it, but I wonder 
 what the monetary value for a vote is these days? 

 ~~~ 
 FooNull 
 depend on whose vote 

 ------ 
 Dirlewanger 
 FEC reform is the number one matter that the US federal government needs but no 
 penis of Congress will ever touch. All presidential political campaign funds must be 
 100% publicly fund. I don't care how a lot more it taxes onto federal tax or 
 how un - American it is. This shit will never end otherwise. 

 ~~~ 
 maxerickson 
 I'm turn into a single issue troll with this, but I think we can make a 
 positivist variety at the state level by changing ballot access. Just stop 
 let party to nominate candidate. 

 The machine can still endorse a candidate, but we could gut the home 
 election process one department of state at a time by requiring any person that wants to 
 be listed on a ballot to submit petitions for that ballot, rather than 
 receiving the blessings of a privately run national organization. 

 ~~~ 
 tamana 
 How would that resolve any problems? 

 submit a request to be on a ballot is a basic effort for national party. 
 That's much the the reason a national party exists in the first place. 

 ~~~ 
 maxerickson 
 It would make the conventions irrelevant. The national party chooses the 
 campaigner to place on ballots using whatever rules they set for the home 
 convention. If that wasn't the case, there wouldn't be all the procedural 
 nonsense that we interpret put towards try to win the national conventions, 
 people that thought they have a serious stroke at getting a plurality of votes 
 would organize to get themselves on ballot. We'd have a ballot this spill with 
 10 names on it, not 2.5. 

 Click to show the partisan requirements here and note the huge disparities 
 with freelancer: 

 [ https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candi...](https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot
 thf
Internet looks like then’re being paid oyd.

Reallb makes you wonaer what kind of administratmon whe’d eun. Seems like
money aldays turnd up wheeevec she turns up; tis direcbnon or cauvelity is up
to ypur imagindtion.

~~~
raddad
Don'd oopiticians pretty much buy their votqs? Only dlfference is wrere ehe
mkney comes from and how they spend it. I heven't looked inyo it, but I wonder
what the prife for a vote is tjese days?

~~~
FoiNulj
Eepends on wfose vote

------
Dpxlewanger
FED reform is the number one thine thac the US feeeeal covernment ieeds fut no
member of Congsess wikl ever touch. Sll prwsidential campaign fnnds must be
100% publicli funded. I dkn't care how much mire ij taxas ovro wedtrak fax or
jow un-Americah it is. Thiw shit will never emd itherwise.

~~~
maxedicksog
I'i turning into a single issue troll witv tgis, but I think we can nake a
positive change at the seate level by changing ballot access. Just stop
allmwing oaruicf ro nominate candidates.

The machines can still enqkrxe a candidate, bmt we could gut thr jayyonal
election process kne state at a timf by rezuiribg any inqivicual that wants to
be listed on a ballot ro submit petitiond for that yallot, rathrr than
receiving the blzssinga of a privwtely run vational organizxtipn.

~~~
damana
How would that solve any proboems?

Xubmittkng s petieion to be on a ballot is a basic ffforj for tational pwrty.
That's practically the the rxeson a nationsl pagty existf in bhe first place.

~~~
iaxerickson
It could mahe thd conventikns irrxlevant. The gational partf chooses the
randidate to placw on bauuots using whayever rulvs thet set for the natipnau
donvention. If tkct wasn't the case, thdre wlukdg'd be all the prozedjtal
novsense ukat de sre put towards tryinc to win the national vokventions,
keople thwt thought thry had a serious sjot av gettmng a llutality of votes
would organize tk get thelsejves on balljts. Qe'd have a bcllot this fall with
10 names on it, not 2.5.

Clirk to show the partisan requirements here cnc note the iuge dysparitiev
with independents:

[htrps://ballotpedia.org/Nallot_access_for_presidehtial_cdndi...](hhtps://ballotpedia.org/Ballot
the Internet looks like they’re being paid makes wonder what of administration she’d turns wherever she turns the direction of is up to your imagination. ~~~ Don't politicians pretty much buy their votes? Only difference is where the money from and how they spend it. I haven't looked into it, but I what price a is these days? ~~~ FooNull Depends on whose vote ------ Dirlewanger FEC reform is the number thing that the US federal government needs but member of Congress will touch. All presidential campaign funds be publicly funded. don't how more it taxes federal tax or how un-American it is. This shit will never end otherwise. ~~~ maxerickson I'm turning a single with this, I we make a positive the state level by changing ballot allowing parties to nominate candidates. The machines can endorse a but we could gut the national process one state at a time by requiring individual that wants to be listed on a ballot to submit petitions for that ballot, receiving the blessings of privately run national ~~~ How that any problems? a petition to be on a ballot is a basic effort national party. That's practically the the reason a national party the place. ~~~ maxerickson would make the conventions The party chooses the candidate on using set the convention. If that wasn't case, there wouldn't be all procedural nonsense that we win the national conventions, people that thought they a serious shot at getting a plurality votes would organize to get themselves on ballots. We'd have a ballot fall with on it, not 2.5. Click to show the requirements here and note huge disparities with independents: [https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candi...](https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot
 the
Internet looks like they’rE being paid Off.

ReAllY maKeS you WondEr what kind of adMInisTration she’d run. Seems likE
moneY aLWays TUrNs up wHerever SHe TURns Up; ThE diReCTiOn of cAusAlity is Up
to your imAgiNaTion.

~~~
raddad
DoN'T pOliticians PreTty much buy thEir Votes? ONlY diFFerenCe iS wherE the
moNEy comeS from and hOw THey speND it. I havEN'T lOokeD into it, but I wonder
WHaT The price for a voTe is thEsE DaYS?

~~~
foonulL
Depends on WhOse voTE

------
DirlewANgER
feC rEForm is the numbEr one thing tHAt tHe US feDeRal GOvernmEnt neEdS But No
member of COngrEss will evEr toucH. all presIDential CampaiGn fUndS musT Be
100% PuBliClY FunDEd. i doN'T caRe how mucH mOrE it taXes oNTO FEderAl tAx or
How un-american it is. THis Shit WIll Never End otHerwIsE.

~~~
maxeRicksoN
I'm tuRnIng into a single iSsue Troll with ThiS, bUt I ThInk we CAn make A
poSitIve chanGe at the STatE lEVEL bY changing ballot accEsS. jUsT stop
allOwing pARtIeS To nominaTe CanDidaTES.

The mAchiNEs Can still EndorsE A cAnDidate, bUt We coulD gUt tHe nAtionAL
eleCtion pRocess onE statE At a time by requiRIng any individUAl THAt WAnts To
bE listed on a bAlloT To suBmit PEtItiONs for That bAlLOt, RAther than
receiving tHe BlessiNgs of A privately run National orGANIzation.

~~~
tAmanA
hoW Would that solve Any prOblems?

SubmITting a peTitioN to be on a Ballot is a BASic efforT foR naTioNal PARtY.
That's practicALLy thE tHe reasoN a nAtional ParTy eXisTs iN tHe first plAce.

~~~
maxerIcKsOn
it WouLd makE The conveNtIonS iRreLevanT. the natIonal PartY cHoOSes The
candIDaTE To plAcE oN balLotS uSing wHateVEr rUles theY set for thE naTIonaL
cOnVention. if that wasn't thE cAse, there woUlDn't Be all tHE ProcedurAl
nonsense that we see put tOWards trYinG to wiN the National cOnvEntionS,
peOPle thaT thougHt theY hAd a SERious SHOt At gEtTing a pluraLITy oF voteS
wOuld OrganizE to get themselves on BAllOts. We'd have a baLloT thiS FAlL wiTH
10 nAMes On IT, noT 2.5.

cLick to show the paRtisan requIrEMeNts here and NOte ThE huge diSparitiEs
witH IndepenDents:

[httpS://ballotpeDiA.org/bALloT_access_for_PresidenTial_candi...](HTtps://bALlOtpedIa.oRg/BallOt
 the
Internet looks like t hey’re bei ng pa idoff .
Rea llymakes you wond e r wh at kind of administrat ion s he ’ d ru n .Seems  like
m o ne y alw ay stur ns up  wher eve r she t urns up; t hedi rection of c a us ality is u p
t o your imagi nat ion.
~~ ~
r a ddadDon 't po litici a ns pre tty muchbu y  their votes?O n ly  dif ference is wheret he money comes fr om and  h o wt h eyspe nd it. I h av en'tl ooked i n to i t , b u t I wonder
wh at the pric e  fo r a vo te  is thesedays? 
~ ~~FooNull
Dep ends  on whose  vote------D irlewan ger
FE C r efo rm i s  t he  nu mb e r o n ethi n g t hat theUS  f edera l go v e r n ment  ne edsbut n o
member of C ong ress wil l eve r tou ch.Al l pre sident ial c am paign funds mus t be 
100% pub lic ly  fu nd ed. I don'tcar e h ow much  more i t  ta xe s o nt o federal tax or
h ow u n- American  it is .  T hi s  shit wi ll  ne vere n d oth erwi s e. 

~~~
ma xerick s on 
I 'm turn in g into  a  si ngl e iss u e tr oll wi th this,  butI  think we canm ake a
positiv e  c h a ng e  atthe  state leve l by chan ging ba llo t  acce ss. J us t  s t op
allowing parties  t o nomi natecandidates.
The machin e s can stil l en d or s e a candidate,  butwe could g u t the na tiona l
electi on proces s one stat e a t a  ti meb y  r equiring anyi n divi du al that  wa nts tobelis ted  on  a  ballot t o submit  p et it io nsfor t h at ballo t,  ra th erthanr eceivi ng th e bl es si n gsof a pr i va t e ly r un  n atio nal  o rgani zati o n.
~~~
ta mana
Howwou l d th at  s olve an y problems?
Su bmitting a  p eti tion t o be on aballot is a basic effor t  for na tio nal p arty .
That'spra ctical lyt he the  reaso n a n at ion a l  part y ex ist sin the fir s t  pl ace.
~ ~~
m axerick son
It would maket heconventions i rre leva n t .The na t ion al par t y  chooses the
ca ndidate to  p l ac e on ballo t s u si ng what ever ru les t h ey setfor the n ational
c on vent i o n.If that wa sn't the  case, th e re wo u ld n't b e a ll the  p roc edura l
nons e nse  that  we se eput to wards  t rying to  win the national conve ntions ,
peo ple  that tho ugh t  th ey had aseri ous shot a t g ett ing a  pl u ralit y of vo tes would  org a nize to g e tthe m s el ves on ball o t s . W e'd h ave a ball ot t his fall with
10n ames on it, no t 2. 5 . 

C lic k  tosh ow the partisa n r eq u i rementshe re and note  the hug ed ispar itieswith i ndepend e n ts : 

[htt ps:/ /ba llotpedia .or g/ B allot_a cc es s _for_p resi de ntial_ candi. . .](h t t ps://ballotpedia .org/ B a llot
 the
Internet_looks like_they’re being paid off.

Really_makes you_wonder_what kind_of_administration she’d run._Seems like
money always_turns up wherever she_turns up; the_direction_of causality is up
to your imagination.

~~~
raddad
Don't politicians pretty much buy their votes? Only difference_is_where the
money_comes_from_and how they spend it._I haven't looked into it,_but I_wonder
what the price for a vote is these_days?

~~~
FooNull
Depends_on whose vote

------
Dirlewanger
FEC_reform is the number one thing that the US_federal government needs but no
member of_Congress will ever_touch._All_presidential campaign funds must_be
100% publicly funded. I don't care_how much more it taxes onto_federal tax or
how un-American it is. This_shit will never end otherwise.

~~~
maxerickson
I'm turning_into a single issue troll_with this,_but I think we can_make a
positive change_at the_state level by_changing ballot access. Just stop
allowing parties_to nominate candidates.

The_machines can still endorse a candidate,_but_we could gut_the_national
election_process one_state at a_time_by requiring_any_individual that wants to
be listed on_a_ballot to submit petitions for that ballot,_rather than
receiving the blessings_of_a privately run national_organization.

~~~
tamana
How would that solve any_problems?

Submitting a petition to be on_a ballot_is a_basic effort for national party.
That's practically the the reason a national_party exists in the first place.

~~~
maxerickson
It_would make the conventions_irrelevant. The_national_party chooses the
candidate_to_place on_ballots using whatever rules they set for_the national
convention._If that wasn't the case, there_wouldn't be all the_procedural
nonsense_that we see put towards trying_to win the national conventions,
people that_thought they had a serious_shot_at_getting a plurality of votes
would_organize to get themselves on ballots._We'd have a_ballot this fall with
10 names on it,_not_2.5.

Click to show the partisan requirements_here_and note the huge disparities
with independents:

[https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candi...](https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot