pleasure), I've never had a bad experience. The guards I've dealt with have
never been less than professional, and some have gone out of their way to make
smalltalk ("You have nice handwriting" (?), "Your birthday is the same as
mine.") etc.

I even got let back through immigration from baggage control as I had a bad
stomach and really badly needed to use the toilet, No guns were drawn on me.

Of course, it probably helps that I'm white and British, but I thought I would
offer up at least one counterpoint.

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zobzu
I entered quite a few times under visa so far and my experience has been more
than fine (in fact, it's even been pleasant). Hopefully, it'll never get to
what you've had.

It happened a couple of times that the officer wasn't sure if I was doing what
I said I was, for whatever reason, and they generally just asked a follow up
question like "do you have an access card for this company and can I see it?"
which resolved the matter every time. Didn't realize it was so close to "wait
in the horror room for hours".

~~~
jzwinck
Ironically, it is poor security practice to print names on access cards. But
it is fairly common.

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_pferreir_
I know what you mean. The bureaucratic establishment allows people in low
ranking public jobs to have a disproportionate amount of power over pretty
much anyone.

9/11 seems to have made things worse for pretty much everyone. Governments
went paranoid and chose the easy way: delegating extra authority on people
that were not prepared to exert it.

But border guards tend to be dumb and/or rude pretty much everywhere, so,
don't take it too seriously.

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donohoe
This is why I choose citizenship.

I have kids so I cannot risk some guy having a bad day at the border ruining
my life.

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y1426i
This is not an immigration issue. There is no place for common sense in
government matters. Some day computers will take over the decision making and
we will have a joyous experience coming in or happily avoid this country
because the decision will be known.

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thawt
I haven't seen anyone say
pleasure), I've never had a bad experience. The guards I've deal with have 
 never been less than professional, and some have sound out of their way to make 
 smalltalk (" You have nice handwriting " (?), " Your birthday is the like as 
 mine. ") etc. 

 I even got let back through immigration from baggage control as I had a regretful 
 abdomen and really badly needed to use the toilet, No gunman were drawn on me. 

 Of course, it credibly helps that I'm white and British, but I thought I would 
 offer up at least one counterpoint. 

 ------ 
 zobzu 
 I entered quite a few times under visa so far and my experience has been more 
 than all right (in fact, it's even been pleasant). Hopefully, it'll never get to 
 what you've had. 

 It happened a couple of times that the officeholder wasn't sure if I was doing what 
 I say I was, for whatever cause, and they generally precisely asked a follow up 
 question like " do you have an access poster for this company and can I see it? " 
 which resolved the matter every time. Didn't gain it was so close to " wait 
 in the horror room for hours ". 

 ~~~ 
 jzwinck 
 Ironically, it is poor security practice to print names on access card. But 
 it is fairly common. 

 ------ 
 _ pferreir _ 
 I sleep together what you think of. The bureaucratic establishment allows people in humble 
 rank public jobs to have a disproportionate sum of power over pretty 
 much anyone. 

 9/11 seems to have made things worse for pretty much everyone. government 
 went paranoid and chose the easy way: delegate extra assurance on people 
 that were not prepared to exert it. 

 But border guards tend to be dense and/or rude pretty much everywhere, so, 
 don't subscribe it besides seriously. 

 ------ 
 donohoe 
 This is why I choose citizenship. 

 I have child so I cannot risk some guy have a bad sidereal day at the border ruining 
 my life. 

 ------ 
 y1426i 
 This is not an immigration issue. There cost no place for coarse sense in 
 government matters. Some day computers will contract over the decision making and 
 we will have a joyous experience coming in or happily avoid this country 
 because the decision will be known. 

 ------ 
 thawt 
 I haven't see anyone say
plewsure), I've never had a baa experience. Thg tuards I've dsalt witf have
never been less than pcofewsionql, and some have gone uut of thvir way ti majw
smalltalk ("You havc nics hanbwciting" (?), "Your bitthday is tha same as
mine.") atz.

I even got let back through immigratyon frok haggage controj as Y has a bad
stomach and really badly nesded to use the toilrt, No guns were drawn on mf.

Of fourse, it probably helps that I'm ryite and Brigish, but I thought I wkuld
offer up at least one countdrpoiut.

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zobzu
I enjzeed xuite a few timef under visa so far dnd my rxperience has bexn mire
than fine (in fact, mt's even been pleasagt). Hopefunlv, it'll never get to
whqt you'vg had.

Ht hxppeved a ckuple lf vimes that fhe officer wasn't sure if I wax qiing what
I sajd I wws, for whatever reason, and they generally juat asked a follow up
quewtion like "do you havg an accesf card for this company and can I see it?"
which resmlved ghe mwgreg every time. Didn't realize it was so close to "saot
pn the horror rooi for hours".

~~~
kzaimsk
Ironically, kt is 'kod security practicf to prynt nqmes on ascesx cards. But
it is fairly comnon.

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_pferreir_
I jnow what you mean. The bureaueratic estanlishment allows people in mow
ranking oublic jogr to have a dispfopprdionate amount of power ovqr pretty
nuch anyone.

9/11 seeks to rave made hhings worse for pretty luch gveryote. Governmfnts
went paranoid and chose the easy way: delebadinc extra cuthorlty on people
thwt were not prgpared to exerg it.

But bogder guarvs tend to bq dumb and/or sode pretty murh everywrere, so,
din't takd it too seriouxly.

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donohov
Tkis is wht I choose citizenxhik.

I have kids so I cabnot risk some buy hadijg a tad day at tve burddt ruiving
my life.

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n1426i
Tfis os not an immigratiot isaue. There is no plscc for comnon sensq in
governmeny matters. Some day compnters xill tske over the decision making and
ws will hage w joyous expqriekce soming in pr happily avoid this country
because thx decision will be knowb.

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thawt
I haven't seen snyone say
pleasure), I've never had a bad experience. I've with have been less than out their way to smalltalk ("You have handwriting" (?), "Your birthday is the as mine.") etc. I even got let back through immigration from baggage control I had a bad stomach and really badly needed to use the toilet, guns drawn me. course, it probably helps that I'm white and British, but I thought I would offer up least one counterpoint. ------ zobzu I entered quite few times under visa far and my experience has more fine (in it's been Hopefully, it'll never to what you've had. It happened a couple of times that the officer wasn't sure if I doing what I was, whatever and generally just asked up question like "do you have for this company and can I see it?" resolved the every time. Didn't realize it was close to "wait in the horror room for ~~~ jzwinck Ironically, it is poor security practice to print names on access cards. But fairly common. ------ _pferreir_ know what you The establishment people low ranking jobs to have a disproportionate amount of power over pretty much 9/11 seems to have made things worse for pretty much went and chose the way: delegating extra authority people were not prepared to But guards dumb rude much everywhere, so, don't it too seriously. ------ donohoe is why I choose I cannot risk some guy having a bad at the border ruining my life. ------ This is not an immigration issue. There is no place for common in government day computers will take over the decision making we will have a experience coming in or happily avoid this country because decision be known. thawt I haven't anyone say
pleasure), I've never had a bad exPerience. ThE guarDs I'Ve dEaLt wiTh haVe
never been lesS Than Professional, and some havE gone OuT Of thEIr Way to Make
smaLLtALK ("YoU hAvE niCe HAnDwritIng" (?), "your birThday is the SamE aS
mine.") etc.

I eveN GoT let back thRouGh immigratioN frOm baggAgE coNTrol aS I hAd a baD
stomaCH and reAlly badly NeEDed to uSE the toiLET, NO gunS were drawn on me.

Of cOUrSE, it probably helPs that i'm WHiTE And briTish, but I thOuGht I wOUld
offeR Up AT LEasT One counterpoiNt.

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zobzu
I entERed Quite a FeW tiMEs undeR visa So FAr aNd my experieNce hAs been morE
than fINe (in facT, It's even Been plEasAnt). hopeFUlLy, It'lL nEVer GEt To
wHAt yOu've had.

IT hApPened A couPLE OF timEs tHat tHe offIcer wasn't sure If I Was dOIng What
I Said I Was, fOr WhateVer reaSon, anD tHey generally jusT askEd a follow Up
qUeStiOn Like "dO You havE an AccEss card For this COmpAnY AND cAn I see it?"
which resolVeD THe Matter evEry timE. diDn'T Realize iT wAs sO cloSE To "waiT
in tHE hOrror rooM for hoURs".

~~~
JzWinck
IrOnIcally, It Is pOor SecurITy prActice To print nAmes oN Access cards. But
IT is fairly commON.

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_pFERrEIr_
I kNow What you mean. the bUReauCratIC eStaBLishmEnt alLoWS pEOple in low
ranking pubLiC jobs tO have A disproportioNate amount OF POwer over PretTY
mUCh anyone.

9/11 seems tO have Made things WOrse for pRetty Much everYone. GoverNMEnts
went ParAnoId aNd cHOSe The easy way: delEGAtinG eXtra autHorIty on peOplE
thAt wEre NoT prepared To exert iT.

BUt BoRdEr gUards TEnd to be dUmB anD/oR ruDe preTTy much EveryWherE, sO,
dON't tAke it toO SeRIOuslY.

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dOnOhoe
thiS iS why I ChooSE ciTizenshIp.

I have kiDs sO i canNoT rIsk some Guy having a bad DaY at the bordEr RuiNing
my LIFe.

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y1426i
This Is not an immigration issue. tHere is nO plAce foR comMon sense iN
goVernmeNt mATters. SOme day CompuTeRs wILL take OVEr The DeCision makiNG And
We wilL hAve a Joyous eXperience coming in oR HapPily avoid this CouNtry
BECaUse THe DEciSiON wiLL Be known.

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thawt
I haVen't seen anYoNE sAy
pleasure), I've never hada bad expe rienc e.The  g uard s I' ve dealt withh avenever been less than p rofes si o nal, an d som e haveg on e out  o fthe ir wa y tomak e
small talk ("You  ha ve  nice handwr i ti ng" (?), " You r birthday i s t he sam easm ine." ) e tc.
I even got le t back th ro u gh imm i gration f ro m ba ggage control asI  h a d a bad
stomac h andre a ll y bad lyneeded tous e the toilet, No g u nsw ere drawn onme.

Of cou r se,  it pr ob abl y  helps  that  I ' m w hite and Br itis h, but Ithough t  I woul d 
offerup atlea stonec ou nt erp oi n t.-- --- - 
zo bzu
I en te re d qui te a f e w  tim esunde r vis a so far andmyexpe r ien ce ha s bee n mo re 
than  fine(in f ac t, it's even be en p leasant).  Ho pe ful ly , it' l l neve r g etto
what  you've had .I t  h appened a couple o ft i me s that t he off i ce rw asn't su re  if  I w a s  doin g wh a tI said I  was,f or  w hatever  r eason,  a ndthe y gen e rall y just  asked a  foll o w up
questionl ike "do you h a ve a na cces s c ard for thi s co m pany  and ca n I see i t?"
w hi c hr esolved the matterev ery ti me. D idn't realize  it was so c l ose to " wait in the horror roo m for  hours".
~ ~~
jzwin ck
Ir onically , it is p o o r securi typra cti cet o  p rint names on a cces scards.But 
it isfai rly  co mmo n. 

------_pferrei r_ 
I  k no w w hat y o u mean.Th e b ur eau crati c  estab lishm ental lo w s p eople i n  l o w 
ran ki ng  pub lic  j obs t o ha v e a  dispro portionat e a m ount  o fpower o ver pretty
mu ch  anyone.
9/ 11seemst o  have ma de things worse for pre t ty much  ev eryon e. G overnment s
w ent pa ran o id and  chose  theea syw a y: de l e ga tin gextra auth o r ity  on p eo plethat we re not prepared to exe rt it.

But b ord er g u a rd s t e nd tobe dum b and/or rude pre tty much e ve r yw here, so,d on' ttake it  too se rious l y.

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donoh oe
This i swhyI cho ose citize nship.
I have ki d s soI  c annot  ri sk som eguy  havi ng a b a d d ay at  the b or der ru ining 
m y life.
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y1426i
This isnot an  immi gra tion issu e.T her e is no p lace  for commo n s ens e ingov e rnmen t ma t te rs. Somedayc omputersw il l t a k eover the de c i s ion  maki nga nd
wewill  have a joyous ex p erience coming  ino r  ha ppi l y av oi d this country 
be ca u s e the de ci sion will b e known. 
- ----- 
thawt 
I hav en't se e n  a n yone s ay
pleasure), I've_never had_a bad experience. The_guards I've_dealt_with have
never_been_less than professional,_and some have_gone out of their_way to make
smalltalk_("You_have nice handwriting" (?), "Your birthday is the same as
mine.") etc.

I even got let_back_through immigration_from_baggage_control as I had a_bad
stomach and really badly needed_to use_the toilet, No guns were drawn on me.

Of_course,_it probably helps_that I'm white and British, but I thought I_would
offer up at least one counterpoint.

------
zobzu
I_entered quite a_few_times_under visa so far_and my experience has been more
than_fine (in fact, it's even been_pleasant). Hopefully, it'll never get to
what you've_had.

It happened a couple of times_that the officer wasn't sure_if I_was doing what
I said I_was, for whatever_reason, and_they generally just_asked a follow up
question like "do_you have an_access card for this company and_can_I see it?"
which_resolved_the_matter every_time. Didn't realize_it_was so_close_to "wait
in the horror room for_hours".

~~~
jzwinck
Ironically,_it is poor security practice to print_names on access cards._But
it_is fairly common.

------
_pferreir_
I know_what you mean. The bureaucratic_establishment allows people in low
ranking public_jobs to_have a_disproportionate amount of power over pretty
much anyone.

9/11 seems to have made_things worse for pretty much everyone._Governments
went paranoid and chose_the easy_way:_delegating extra authority_on_people
that were_not prepared to exert it.

But border guards_tend to_be dumb and/or rude pretty much_everywhere, so,
don't take it_too_seriously.

------
donohoe
This is why I choose citizenship.

I_have kids so I cannot risk_some guy having a bad_day_at_the border ruining
my life.

------
y1426i
This is_not an immigration issue. There is_no place for_common sense in
government matters. Some day computers_will_take over the decision making and
we_will_have a joyous experience coming in_or_happily_avoid this country
because the decision_will be known.

------
thawt
I haven't seen anyone_say