 the company has
the right to do future development in a closed source way, embed it in
proprietary products, etc.

I don't know if that's likely with a build tool, but it happens elsewhere.

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dclusin
Sort of off topic, but I've always wondered if github charges larger orgs for
hosting their projects like this. It seems like google and and microsoft get
tons of free bandwidth from github to the point of being unsustainable w/o
charging.

~~~
Negitivefrags
I would bet that it helps github far more than it hurts.

Having a company like Microsoft mentioning github all the time is great
publicity.

Also bandwidth for hosting code is so cheap to be practically negligible.

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pionar
The worst part of msbuild has (for me) been the lack of documentation of
flags. Hopefully this will help.

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ghuntley
MSBuild is great and all but seriously why bother when there's better
alternatives available - i.e. Fake?

[https://github.com/fsharp/FAKE](https://github.com/fsharp/FAKE)

~~~
Rapzid
I was curious to see what would happen with build systems when they first
announced the open source/cross platform. Initially I figured maybe something
like FAKE or scriptcs based so we could break away from msbuild and
powershell. But then they announced cmake and now this.

This was inevitable from the announcement last year, but I'm afraid the
community has not spoken on this, per say. One of the benefits of the open
source community is that ideas get to duke it out in the wild and the most fit
will survive. How long will we be saddled with msbuild? Maybe some brave
heroes will create an alternative some day? There is a lot of legacy stuff
that has not been properly vetted. Will be interesting to see what happens.

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acqq
Really great news! For those who didn't do Windows programming, the MSBuild is
the "back-end" "make" engine behind the Visual Studio.

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O____________O
Despite being a Windows developer for 90% of my career, I have no idea why
anyone uses MSBuild. I've created several automated build and deployment
the company has 
 the right to do future development in a shut generator way, embed it in 
 proprietary product, etc. 

 I don't sleep together if that's likely with a build instrument, but it happens elsewhere. 

 ------ 
 dclusin 
 Sort of off topic, but I've constantly wondered if github charges bombastic orgs for 
 hosting their projects like this. It appear like google and and microsoft beget 
 tons of free bandwidth from github to the point of being unsustainable w/o 
 charging. 

 ~~~ 
 Negitivefrags 
 I would bet that it help github far more than it hurts. 

 Having a company like Microsoft mention github all the time is great 
 publicity. 

 besides bandwidth for hosting code is indeed cheap to be practically negligible. 

 ------ 
 pionar 
 The worst function of msbuild has (for me) been the lack of documentation of 
 flags. Hopefully this will help. 

 ------ 
 ghuntley 
 MSBuild is great and all but badly why trouble oneself when there's better 
 alternatives available - i.e. Fake? 

 [ https://github.com/fsharp/FAKE](https://github.com/fsharp/FAKE) 

 ~~~ 
 Rapzid 
 I was curious to see what would happen with build systems when they first 
 announced the exposed source / cross chopine. Initially I visualize possibly something 
 like FAKE or scriptcs based so we could break away from msbuild and 
 powershell. But then they announced cmake and now this. 

 This was inevitable from the announcement last year, but I'm afraid the 
 residential district has not spoken on this, per say. One of the benefits of the open 
 source community is that ideas get to duke it out in the wild and the most fit 
 will survive. How long will we be saddled with msbuild? possibly some brave 
 hero will make an alternative some day? There is a lot of bequest stuff 
 that has not been properly vetted. Will be interesting to see what happens. 

 ------ 
 acqq 
 Really great news! For those who didn't do Windows scheduling, the MSBuild is 
 the " back - end " " make " engine behind the Visual Studio. 

 ------ 
 O____________O 
 Despite being a Windows developer for 90% of my career, I have no mind why 
 anyone uses MSBuild. I've make several automated physique and deployment
 thf company has
the right tu do future devglipment in a dlosed suurce way, embed it in
proprievary prodycts, etc.

I don't know if that's linely wity a uuild tool, but iv happens elsesmere.

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delnsin
Sort of off topic, but I've always wotddrzd if github charges larger orgs for
rosting tjeir projects jike ehis. Pt seems like google and and midrosoft get
tons of ftee bandwidth from github ho tje point of being knsustainaboe w/j
xharging.

~~~
Negigivefrags
I would bet tgat it helps github far more thxn it hurts.

Havibg a fmmpany like Micrjsoft mentiokpng gitvub all the time is gveat
pnblixity.

Also bandwidth foc hosting code is so cheap to bz practically negligivlw.

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piondr
Tha wofwt oaru oh mabuild haa (for me) bsen the lacj of documentation pf
soags. Hopefullg this wyll help.

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ghuntley
MSBuild is great and aln bht seriously why bother when there's better
aljernatives available - i.e. Fake?

[https://github.com/fsharp/FAKE](https://ghthub.roo/fskqrp/FAYW)

~~~
Rwpzid
I was curious to see what would happen wyfh blild systems when they first
snjoigced the open sourcz/drkss platform. Initiwlly I sigurwd maybe fomeyhing
like FAKE or scriptcs vased so we boule break away from lsbuild and
'owersnell. Nut then they announced cmaie and now hhis.

This sxs inevitable frum nhe dnnouncement last year, but I'm afraiv the
eommunith hax not fpoken on hhis, iar say. One of the henefnts ox the open
dource community is that ideas jxt to duke it ogt pn the wijd anc the most fie
will survive. Kow long will we be sadsled wivh msbuild? Mwybe some braeg
heroes will rreate an altwrnarive sood day? There is a lot of legacy styff
that has not becn prulerly vetted. Wiol ve interesting yo ree wjav hap[ans.

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acqq
Reallf grdat mews! Wor those wmo aidn'y do Windows programking, the MSBuild is
the "bwck-end" "mqke" engige behind the Visual Studio.

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O____________O
Dedpite bemng a Einqows developer for 90% of my caresr, I have no idea why
anyjne mses MSBuild. I're created several automated build and dxployment
the company has the right to do in closed source embed it in know that's likely with build tool, but happens elsewhere. ------ dclusin Sort of topic, but I've always wondered if github charges larger orgs for hosting their like this. It seems like google and and microsoft get tons of free from to point being unsustainable w/o charging. ~~~ Negitivefrags I would bet that it helps github far more than hurts. Having a company like Microsoft mentioning github the time is great Also bandwidth for hosting code so to be negligible. pionar worst part of has (for me) been the lack of documentation of flags. Hopefully this will help. ------ ghuntley MSBuild great and seriously why when better available - i.e. ~~~ Rapzid I was curious to happen with build systems when they first announced open source/cross Initially I figured maybe something like or scriptcs based so we could break away msbuild and powershell. But then they announced cmake and now this. This was inevitable from last year, but I'm the community has spoken this, say. of the of the open source community is that ideas get to duke out in the wild and the most fit will survive. will be saddled with Maybe some brave heroes create alternative some day? There lot legacy not properly Will be interesting to what happens. ------ acqq Really news! For those who MSBuild is the "back-end" "make" engine behind the Studio. ------ O____________O Despite being a Windows for 90% of my career, I have no idea why anyone uses I've created build and deployment
 the company has
the right to do Future deveLopmeNt iN a cLoSed sOurcE way, embed it in
pROpriEtary products, etc.

I don't kNow if ThAT's liKElY with A build tOOl, BUT it HaPpEns ElSEwHere.

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dCluSin
Sort Of off topic, But i'vE always wondeREd If github chArgEs larger orgs For
HostinG tHeiR ProjeCts Like tHis. It sEEms likE google anD aND microSOft get
tONS oF freE bandwidth from gitHUb TO the point of beiNg unsuStAInABLe w/O
chArging.

~~~
NegiTiVefraGS
I would BEt THAT it HElps github far More than it hURts.

having A cOmpANy like microSoFT meNtioning gitHub aLl the time Is greaT
PubliciTY.

Also baNdwidtH foR hoStinG CoDe Is sO cHEap TO bE prACtiCally negLiGiBle.

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piOnar
tHE WOrst ParT of mSbuilD has (for me) been The Lack OF doCumenTatioN of
fLaGs. HopEfully This wIlL help.

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ghuntley
MSbuilD is great aNd aLl But SeRiousLY why boTheR whEn there'S better
ALteRnATIVeS available - i.e. Fake?

[htTpS://GItHub.com/fsHarp/FAke](hTtPS://github.cOm/FshArp/Fake)

~~~
RapzId
I wAS cUrious to See whaT WoUlD happen WiTh builD sYstEms When tHEy fiRst
annOunced thE open SOurce/cross platFOrm. Initially I FIgUREd MAybe SomEthing
like FaKE oR ScriPtcs BAsEd sO We couLd breAk AWaY From msbuild and
powerShEll. But Then tHey announced cMake and now THIS.

This was InevITaBLe from the annouNcemeNt last year, BUt I'm afraId the
CommunitY has not spOKEn on this, Per Say. one Of tHE BeNefits of the opEN
SourCe CommuniTy iS that idEas Get To dUke It Out in the wIld and thE mOsT fIt
WilL survIVe. How lonG wIll We Be sAddleD With msBuild? maybE sOmE BraVe
heroeS WiLL CreaTe An AlteRnaTiVe somE day? tHerE is a lot Of legacy sTufF
That HaS nOt been pRoperly vetted. wiLl be intereStIng To see wHAT happens.

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Acqq
Really great news! For tHOse who dIdn'T do WiNdowS programmIng, The MSBUilD Is
the "bAck-end" "Make" eNgIne BEHind tHE viSuaL STudio.

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O____________O
DesPITe bEing a wiNdowS develoPer for 90% of my career, I hAVe nO idea why
anyonE usEs MSbUIlD. I'vE CrEAteD sEVerAL Automated build aNd deploymeNt
 the company has
the right  to do fut ure d eve lop me nt i n aclosed sourcew ay,embed it in
proprietar y pro du c ts,e tc .

Idon't k n ow i f t ha t' s l ik e ly  with  abuild t ool, but i t h ap pens elsewhe r e. 

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d clu sin
Sort ofoff  topic ,but I'vealw ays w ondere d  if gi thub char ge s  large r  orgs f o r 
h osti ng their projects li k e this. It see ms lik eg oo g l e a ndand micros of t get tons of fr e e ban d width from gi thub to the poi nt ofbe ing unsust ainab le w/o 
charging.
~~~ 
Negitive fragsI  wouldb et that  it he lps  gi thub fa rmor et han it  hu r ts. 

Having  a  c ompan y li k e M icro sof t me ntion ing github al l t he t i meis gr eat
p ubli ci ty.
Also b andwi dt h for hosting c odeis so che apto  be  p racti c ally n egl igi ble.

- -----
p i ona rT h e  w orst part of msbui ld h as  (for me ) been th el ack of d oc ume ntat i o n offlag s .Hopefull y this wi ll  help.
- -----gh unt ley 
MSBu i ld i s grea t and al l but seriously whyb other when th e re ' s  b e tter 
al ternativesavai l able  - i . e.  Fa k e?

[ https :/ / gi t hub.com/fsharp/FAKE ]( https: //git hub.com/fshar p/FAKE)

~ ~ ~ Rapzid
I  was cu r ious to see wh at wo uld happen with bui ld sy stems wh en they f i r st
annou nce d t heope n so urce/cross pl a t form .Initial lyI figur edmay besom et hing
like  FAKE or  s cr ip tc s b aseds o we cou ld  br ea k a way f r om msb uildandpo we r she ll. But th e n  the yan noun ced  c makeandn owthis.
This wasine v itab le  f rom the  announcement  l ast year,bu t I 'm afr a i d the
co mmunity has not spokeno n this,  pe r say . On e of theben efitsoft he ope n
sour ce co mm uni t y  is t h a tide as  get to du k e  it  outin  the  wild a nd the most fit
wi l l s urvive. How l ong  wil l we  be sa d dle dw ith m sbuild? Maybe s ome bravehe r oe s will cre a tean  altern ative s ome d a y? Ther e is a lo t of lega cy  stu f f 
th at has not  been pr operly ve t ted.W il l beint eresti ng  to  seewhat h a ppe ns.
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a cqq
Re allygr eat news ! For those who didn'tdo Win dowspro gramming,  th e  MS Build isthe"back-end"  "m ake " eng ine behin d th e  V isu a l Stu dio. 
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O _ __ ___ _ _ __ __O
Despite b e ing  a Wi ndo w s deve lope r for 90% of my c a reer, I have n o id e a  wh y
a n yone  u ses MSBuild. I 've  c r e ated sev er al automate d buildan d  depl oyment 
 the_company has
the_right to do future_development in_a_closed source_way,_embed it in
proprietary_products, etc.

I don't_know if that's likely_with a build_tool,_but it happens elsewhere.

------
dclusin
Sort of off topic, but I've always wondered if github charges_larger_orgs for
hosting_their_projects_like this. It seems like_google and and microsoft get
tons_of free_bandwidth from github to the point of being_unsustainable_w/o
charging.

~~~
Negitivefrags
I would bet_that it helps github far more than it hurts.

Having_a company like Microsoft mentioning github_all the time_is_great
publicity.

Also_bandwidth for hosting code_is so cheap to be practically_negligible.

------
pionar
The worst part of msbuild has_(for me) been the lack of documentation_of
flags. Hopefully this will help.

------
ghuntley
MSBuild is_great and all but seriously_why bother_when there's better
alternatives available -_i.e. Fake?

[https://github.com/fsharp/FAKE](https://github.com/fsharp/FAKE)

~~~
Rapzid
I was_curious to_see what would_happen with build systems when they_first
announced the open_source/cross platform. Initially I figured maybe_something
like_FAKE or scriptcs_based_so_we could_break away from_msbuild_and
powershell. But_then_they announced cmake and now this.

This_was_inevitable from the announcement last year, but_I'm afraid the
community has_not_spoken on this, per_say. One of the benefits_of the open
source community is that_ideas get_to duke_it out in the wild and the most fit
will survive. How_long will we be saddled with_msbuild? Maybe some brave
heroes_will create_an_alternative some day?_There_is a_lot of legacy stuff
that has not been_properly vetted._Will be interesting to see what_happens.

------
acqq
Really great news! For_those_who didn't do Windows programming, the_MSBuild is
the "back-end" "make" engine behind_the Visual Studio.

------
O____________O
Despite being a_Windows_developer_for 90% of my career,_I have no idea why
anyone uses_MSBuild. I've created_several automated build and deployment