 may be used as a
phone: computers, tablets, and so on. I don't know where you live, but, in
many country, today, you can buy phone service without a phone, and with no
lock-in period.

~~~
Toenex
Here's a scenario. I need to make a call but my phone is out of charge. "Here
use mine." you say as you hand me your handset. I login on your handset, make
my call, logout and hand it back to you. The call came from my number, charged
to me I just happened to use your handset.

~~~
mattmalin
This is the current system, but with "use this physical item, the SIM card, to
login".

This does assumes that the replacement phone in question is unlocked so can
work on the other SIM card, but is certainly something that many people do
quite often.

~~~
Toenex
and that I have my sim card with me.

~~~
mattmalin
Agreed, not an equivalent system.

Another scenario where this causes issues that a login equivalent can improve:
imagine losing your phone including SIM card. This then causes a full
interruption of all services tied to that phone number including actual phone
service, and SMS, until the SIM is replaced. This usually takes hours/days
depending on your location or carrier.

The other big difference in just swapping out sim cards is the need for a full
phone reset and the interruption to the service of whomever you're borrowing
the phone!

~~~
Toenex
Yep, essentially lots of 'not quites' with the current system.

I want phone-as-easy-as-email. I logon and immediately calls are routed to
that device and I can pick up voicemail, make calls and send texts. If I have
another phone account I can use the same handset to log into that account at
the same time and all calls to that number get routed to the device as well.
If the device has radio hardware (such as phone handset) it uses the radio
network otherwise it uses wifi or whatever other network comms that device
has. When I logout it all stops.

As a customer that's the interface to 'phone' that I want. Phone is soft,
may be used as a 
 phone: computers, tablets, and therefore along. I don't know where you live, but, in 
 many area, today, you can bribe phone service without a phone, and with no 
 lock - in time period. 

 ~~~ 
 Toenex 
 Here's a scenario. I need to make a cry but my phone is out of charge. " Here 
 practice mine. " you say as you hand me your handset. I login on your handset, make 
 my call, logout and pass it back to you. The call came from my numeral, charged 
 to me I just happen to use your handset. 

 ~~~ 
 mattmalin 
 This is the current system, but with " use this forcible item, the SIM card, to 
 login ". 

 This does assume that the surrogate phone in question is unlocked so can 
 work on the early SIM card, but is certainly something that many people do 
 quite often. 

 ~~~ 
 Toenex 
 and that I have my sim menu with me. 

 ~~~ 
 mattmalin 
 Agreed, not an equivalent organization. 

 Another scenario where this causes issues that a login equivalent can improve: 
 imagine losing your phone including SIM card. This then cause a full 
 interruption of all avail tie to that phone number including actual telephone 
 service, and SMS, until the SIM is replaced. This usually takes hour / days 
 depending on your location or carrier. 

 The other big dispute in just swapping out sim cards is the need for a wide 
 phone reset and the break to the service of whomever you're borrowing 
 the phone! 

 ~~~ 
 Toenex 
 Yep, essentially lots of' not quites' with the current arrangement. 

 I want phone - as - easy - as - electronic mail. I logon and immediately calls are route to 
 that device and I can pick up voicemail, have call and send text. If I have 
 another telephone account I can practice the same handset to log into that account at 
 the like time and all calls to that number get routed to the device as well. 
 If the device have radio hardware (such as earphone handset) it uses the radio 
 network otherwise it uses wireless local area network or whatever other network comms that device 
 get. When I logout it all stops. 

 As a customer that's the interface to' phone' that I want. Phone is soft,
 maj be used as a
phone: compmters, tablets, anb so on. I don'f know wfere you live, but, in
many couitry, todat, you can buy phone sefvice witjout a pyone, qnd with no
lock-in izriod.

~~~
Flener
Hxre's a scenario. I need to make a call bgt mv phone is out of charge. "Here
use minq." you ssy as you hand mg youg randavt. I login on your handset, make
jy call, logout and hsnd it back to you. The calp cale from my number, fharged
to mg I tyst happened to use yolx handset.

~~~
majtmalin
This is the current systeo, but with "use jkus ovysical iten, the SIM card, to
login".

Thiv does sssumes that tme re'lacwment phone in questimn is unlocked so san
work ot che other SIM card, bur us cettainny sunetfinf vhaf many pekple do
quife often.

~~~
Toebex
and that I have ky wim card with me.

~~~
matemwlin
Agreed, not an equivalent system.

Anotver scenario where this cayses issues that a lohin equivwlent can improve:
imagine losing your phone includhng SMM caxe. Thir tjen causes a full
interruption of all services fitd no that phone numner including actusl pnjne
service, ana SMS, bhtjl the SIM is replwced. Thys usyally takts hoirs/days
depending on your loxation or cagriee.

The other big difyerence in jbst swsppinb out sim cards is the ueed fkr a full
phlne reset xnd the interrupgiok tm the service of whomever rou're borcowiny
the phove!

~~~
Tognex
Yep, essentialpy lobv of 'not quites' wihh thg currant system.

L want phone-as-easy-as-email. I logon and immediajelf cdlls are routcd to
that devicq and I can piek up voncemaiu, make calms and vend texts. Yf I have
anotvgr phone acconnt I can use the same hxvdset to log imto that cecount at
rhe same time and ell zzlls to that nunbet get routed to thd dqvpce af well.
If the gevize fss raaio hardwarc (sjch ss phone handset) it gses the radio
network ptmerwise ij uses wisi or whatevet other network colms tiat detice
hax. Wren I logout it all stops.

As a dustomer hhab's the interfwce bo 'prone' that N want. Phone is soft,
may be used as a phone: computers, so I don't where you live, you buy phone service a phone, and no lock-in period. ~~~ Toenex Here's scenario. I need to make a call but my phone is out of "Here use mine." you say as you hand me your handset. I login your make call, and hand it back to you. The call came from my number, charged to me I happened to use your handset. ~~~ mattmalin This the current system, but "use this physical item, the card, login". This assumes the phone in question unlocked so can work on the other SIM card, but is certainly something that many people do often. ~~~ that I my card me. ~~~ mattmalin an equivalent system. Another scenario where that a login equivalent can improve: imagine losing phone including card. This then causes a full of all services tied to that phone number actual phone service, and SMS, until the SIM is replaced. This usually takes hours/days depending location or carrier. The big difference in swapping sim is need for full phone reset and the interruption to the service of whomever borrowing the phone! ~~~ Toenex Yep, essentially lots of 'not the system. I want I logon and immediately are to that device and pick voicemail, send If have another phone account can use the same handset log into that account all calls to that number get routed to device as well. If the device has hardware (such as phone handset) it uses the radio network otherwise it wifi or network comms that device has. When I logout all stops. As a that's the interface to 'phone' that I want. Phone soft,
 may be used as a
phone: computerS, tablets, anD so on. i doN't kNoW wheRe yoU live, but, in
many COuntRy, today, you can buy phone sErvicE wIThouT A pHone, aNd with nO
LoCK-In pErIoD.

~~~
ToEnEX
HEre's a SceNario. I nEed to make a CalL bUt my phone is oUT oF charge. "HerE
usE mine." you say aS yoU hand mE yOur HAndseT. I lOgin oN your hANdset, mAke
my call, LoGOut and HAnd it baCK To You. THe call came from my nUMbER, charged
to me I jUst hapPeNEd TO Use YouR handset.

~~~
maTtMalin
tHis is thE CuRRENt sYStem, but with "usE this physicAL itEm, the SiM CarD, To
logiN".

This DoES asSumes that thE repLacement pHone in QUestion IS unlockEd so caN
woRk oN the OThEr sIM CaRD, buT Is CerTAinLy somethInG tHat maNy peOPLE Do
quIte OfteN.

~~~
ToenEx
and that I havE my Sim cARd wIth me.

~~~
MattmAlin
agReed, nOt an eqUivalEnT system.

Another sCenaRio where tHis CaUseS iSsues THat a loGin EquIvalent Can imprOVe:
iMaGINE lOsing your phone inclUdING SiM card. ThIs then CAuSeS A full
intErRupTion OF All seRvicES tIed to thaT phone NUmBeR includInG actuaL pHonE
seRvice, ANd SMs, until The SIM is ReplaCEd. This usually tAKes hours/days
dEPeNDInG On yoUr lOcation or caRrieR.

the oTher BIg DifFErencE in juSt SWaPPing out sim cards is thE nEed for A full
Phone reset and The interruPTIOn to the sErviCE oF Whomever you're bOrrowIng
the phonE!

~~~
toenex
YeP, esseNtially lOts of 'not qUITes' with tHe cUrrEnt SysTEM.

I Want phone-as-eaSY-As-emAiL. I logon And ImmediaTelY caLls Are RoUted to
thaT device aNd i cAn PiCk uP voicEMail, make CaLls AnD seNd texTS. If I haVe
anoTher PhOnE AccOunt I caN UsE THe saMe HaNdseT to LoG into That ACcoUnt at
thE same time And ALl caLlS tO that nuMber get routed To The device aS wEll.
if the dEVIce has raDio hardware (such as phone hANdset) it UseS the rAdio
Network otHerWise it UseS Wifi or WhatevEr othEr NetWORk comMS ThAt dEvIce
has. When i LOgoUt it aLl StopS.

As a cusTomer that's the interFAce To 'phone' that I wAnt. phonE IS sOft,
 may be used as a
phone: c omputers,table ts,  an dso o n. I  don't know wh e re y ou live, but, in
manycount ry ,  tod a y,  youcan buy ph o n e s er vi cewi t ho ut apho ne, and  with no
l ock -i n period.

~ ~ ~Toenex
Her e's  a scenario.  Ineed t omak e  a ca llbut m y phon e  is ou t of char ge .  "Here use min e . "yousay as you hand m e  y o ur handset. Iloginon yo u r  ha nds et, make
m ycall, logouta nd h a ndi t back to you . The callc ame  frommy  nu m ber, c harge dt o m e I just ha ppen ed to use  yourh andset. 
~~~
ma ttmali n
T his  ist he  c urr en t  sy s te m,b utwith "us eth is ph ysic a l i tem,  th e SI M car d, to
login". 

T hisd oes  assu mes t hatth e rep laceme nt ph on e in question i s un locked so  ca nwor kon th e  other  SI M c ard, bu t is ce r tai nl y s om ething that many p eo p l edo
quite  often . 
~~ ~ 
Toenexan d t hatI havemy s i mcard wit h me.~~ ~mattmal in 
Agree d,  no t a n equ i vale nt sys tem.

An other scenario where this causes i s su e s  t h at a  lo gin equival entc an i mpro v e: 
im a ginelosin gy ou r  phone including SI Mcard.Thisthen causes a  full
inte r r u ption of  all se r vices tied tothatphone numb e r includ ing a ctual ph one
servi c e , and SM S,unt ilthe S IM  is replaced. T hisus ually t ake s hours /da ysdep end in g on your  locatio nor  c ar rie r.

T h e otherbi g d if fer encei n just  swap ping  o ut sim  cardsi st h e ne ed  f or a  fu ll 
phon e re s etand the  interrup tio n  toth eservice  of whomeveryo u're borro wi ngthe ph o n e!

~~~Toenex
Yep, essentially lots of  'n ot qu ites ' with th e c urrent  sy s tem.
I want  phon e- as- e a sy-as - e ma il.  I  logon and i mme diate ly  cal ls arerouted to
that dev i ceand I can pic k u p vo i c em ail ,  m a keca l lsa n d send texts. I f I have
a no t he r phone ac c oun tI can u se thesameh andsetto log in to that a cc ount a t
t he same ti me and a ll callst o tha t  n umber  ge t rout ed  to  thedevice aswell. 
If th edevice  hasra dio hard ware (such as phone han dset)it us esthe radio 
ne t wor k otherwi se i t uses wif i o r w hatev ero thernetw o rk  co m ms th at d e vice
has. Wh enI lo gout it all s t ops .

As  ac ustome r th at's the interfac e  to 'phone' th at I w ant . P h oneis  soft,
 may_be used_as a
phone: computers, tablets,_and so_on._I don't_know_where you live,_but, in
many country,_today, you can buy_phone service without_a_phone, and with no
lock-in period.

~~~
Toenex
Here's a scenario. I need to make a call but_my_phone is_out_of_charge. "Here
use mine." you say_as you hand me your_handset. I_login on your handset, make
my call, logout and_hand_it back to_you. The call came from my number, charged
to me_I just happened to use your_handset.

~~~
mattmalin
This is the_current_system,_but with "use this_physical item, the SIM card, to
login".

This_does assumes that the replacement phone_in question is unlocked so can
work on_the other SIM card, but is_certainly something that many people_do
quite often.

~~~
Toenex
and_that I have my sim_card with me.

~~~
mattmalin
Agreed,_not an_equivalent system.

Another scenario_where this causes issues that a_login equivalent can_improve:
imagine losing your phone including SIM_card._This then causes_a_full
interruption_of all_services tied to_that_phone number_including_actual phone
service, and SMS, until the_SIM_is replaced. This usually takes hours/days
depending on_your location or carrier.

The_other_big difference in just_swapping out sim cards is_the need for a full
phone reset_and the_interruption to_the service of whomever you're borrowing
the phone!

~~~
Toenex
Yep, essentially lots of 'not_quites' with the current system.

I want_phone-as-easy-as-email. I logon and_immediately calls_are_routed to
that device_and_I can_pick up voicemail, make calls and send_texts. If_I have
another phone account I can_use the same handset_to_log into that account at
the same_time and all calls to that_number get routed to the_device_as_well.
If the device has radio_hardware (such as phone handset) it_uses the radio
network_otherwise it uses wifi or whatever other_network_comms that device
has. When I logout_it_all stops.

As a customer that's the_interface_to_'phone' that I want. Phone_is soft,