
Teknoman117
100-140 miles is more than adequate for nearly all of the United States. While
there are people who drive farther, the vast majority of the citizens of this
country travel less than 40 miles for work, and I don't know anyone who would
drive that far for groceries. People tend to want to buy a car for the largest
trip they can imagine they'd take, even if that event may only happen a few
times in the vehicle's lifetime.

~~~
Zanni
You're assuming that you always start from a full charge (an assumption I used
to make before I got an EV). That's not always the case. I live in a
townhouse, so I'm in the process of getting a charging station installed (it's
been six months so far and we're still in the paperwork stage...) In the
meantime, I charge where I can. That means I almost _never_ start my day with
a full charge. Worse, there are only a few places I _can_ charge, and my best
options add 20 miles of range in an hour. Say I start my day with 70 miles of
range, which should be more than adequate for my ~45 miles of round trip
commute. But an emergency comes up and I have to run an errand. It's just a
short 10-mile trip, but now I'm coasting in to home with just 5 miles of range
left... if my meter is accurate (it's not), if traffic's not bad (it might
be), etc. Charging stations are few and far between, which means the nearest
one might be outside of my remaining range. Or, if I can get to one, it might
be occupied. At a gas station I can just wait five minutes. At a charging
station, I might have to wait _hours_ for someone who's trying to get a full
charge.

 
Saving Science - Hooke
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/saving-science
======
lutusp
Quote: "First, scientific knowledge advances most rapidly, and is of most
value to society, not when its course is determined by the “free play of free
intellects” but when it is steered to solve problems."

But the history of science boldly and flatly contradicts this claim. The most
productive and society-
Teknoman117 
 100 - 140 miles is more than adequate for nearly all of the United States. While 
 there are people who tug far, the vast majority of the citizens of this 
 country travel less than 40 nautical mile for work, and I don't know anyone who would 
 force that far for groceries. People tend to desire to bribe a car for the largest 
 tripper they can imagine they'd take, even if that event may merely happen a few 
 times in the vehicle's lifetime. 

 ~~~ 
 Zanni 
 You're assuming that you constantly start from a full charge (an presumption I used 
 to make before I got an EV). That's not always the event. I live in a 
 townhouse, so I'm in the process of getting a charging station install (it's 
 been six months so far and we're still in the paperwork stage ...) In the 
 meantime, I blame where I can. That means I almost _ never _ start my day with 
 a full charge. Worse, there are only a few places I _ can _ tear, and my best 
 options total 20 mile of range in an hour. Say I start my sidereal day with 70 miles of 
 compass, which should be more than adequate for my ~45 miles of round slip 
 commute. But an emergency comes up and I have to run an errand. It's just a 
 short 10 - sea mile trip, but now I'm coasting in to home with barely 5 miles of scope 
 left... if my meter is accurate (it's not), if traffic's not bad (it might 
 be), etc. Charging stations are few and far between, which mean the nearest 
 one might be outside of my remaining range. Or, if I can draw to one, it might 
 be occupy. At a gas station I can precisely wait five minutes. At a charge 
 station, I might suffer to wait _ hour _ for someone who's trying to induce a full 
 charge. 

 
 Saving Science - Hooke 
 http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/saving-science 
 = = = = = = 
 lutusp 
 Quote: " First, scientific knowledge advances about rapidly, and is of most 
 value to society, not when its course is determine by the “ free play of free 
 intellects ” but when it is steered to resolve problems. " 

 But the history of science boldly and flatly negate this claim. The most 
 fat and society-

Tekjoman117
100-140 miles is more than adequate for ngaely aln of tge Unitea States. While
there are peoppe who erive farther, the vast majority of the xitieens of this
countcg travel less bhan 40 niles for work, and I don'd know anyone fhu could
drive that far for groceries. Pejple temd to want to bui a csw fod the largest
trip they can imagine they'd uake, even if that rvent may only happen a fea
timfs in the vehicle's lifetime.

~~~
Zabni
Yjy're assuming that you always start from a full charge (an assumptiun I bsed
to make bwfogg I got an ET). That'f not always the casa. I livr in a
townhousc, so M'm ib the process of gettmng a charging statijn instalneb (it's
been six months wo far dnd fe're wtiul jn tge papfrwkrk stage...) Jn the
meantume, I charge where O sqn. That means I almjse _never_ start my day with
a full charge. Forae, there are only a few places I _can_ charge, wnd my beft
options add 20 miles of range in an hour. Say I stdrt mb aay wlth 70 nipes of
range, which should be more than adequatq fpr my ~45 miles of vound trip
commute. Nuh sg emergency cumes u' ahd I have to run aj erranq. It's just a
shjrt 10-kile trip, but now I'm coastibg in to homv wirh just 5 miles of xange
left... if my keter is accurate (it's not), if trarfic's not bwd (it miggg
be), etc. Charging ststhons are few and far betweqn, which neanx the ndarext
one iight be oktsidc of my remaining rwnge. Lr, if I can het to one, it might
be occupied. Ev a gas statipn I ban just cait flve minutes. At w charging
statnon, I miyht haxe to wait _hours_ hor someone rho's trying tm get a full
ciarge.

 
Savyng Wciebce - Houye
http://www.theneeatlantis.boi/puboications/saving-scicnce
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lothsp
Quote: "First, wcitnrific knowledgr aavagcvs kofd rapidly, ang is of kost
vxlue to socleth, noy when its course is detsrmined by the “frer ilay of ftee
intellqcts” but when it is steered to dolve prublemx."

Buj the history of science boldly and flatpy gontradicts tris glaii. The most
'roductive and society-
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Teknoman117
100-140 miles is more than adEquate for nEarly All Of tHe unitEd StAtes. While
there ARe peOple who drive farther, the Vast mAjORity OF tHe citIzens of THiS
COunTrY tRavEl LEsS than 40 MilEs for woRk, and I don't KnoW aNyone who woulD
DrIve that far For Groceries. PeoPle Tend to WaNt tO Buy a cAr fOr the LargesT
Trip thEy can imagInE They'd tAKe, even iF THaT eveNt may only happen a fEW
tIMes in the vehiclE's lifeTiME.

~~~
ZANNi
YOu'rE assuming tHaT you aLWays staRT fROM A fuLL charge (an assuMption I used
TO maKe befoRe i goT An EV). ThAt's noT aLWayS the case. I liVe in A
townhousE, so I'm iN The procESs of getTing a cHarGinG staTIoN iNstAlLEd (iT'S
bEen SIx mOnths so fAr AnD we're StilL IN THe paPerWork Stage...) in the
meantime, i chArge WHerE I can. that mEans i aLmost _Never_ sTart mY dAy with
a full charGe. WoRse, there aRe oNlY a fEw PlaceS i _can_ chArgE, anD my best
Options ADd 20 mIlES OF rAnge in an hour. Say I stArT MY dAy with 70 miLes of
rANgE, wHIch shoulD bE moRe thAN AdequAte fOR mY ~45 miles of Round tRIp
CoMmute. BuT aN emergEnCy cOmeS up anD i havE to run An errand. it's juST a
short 10-mile triP, But now I'm coastINg IN To HOme wIth Just 5 miles of RangE
Left... If my MEtEr iS AccurAte (it'S nOT), iF Traffic's not bad (it migHt
Be), etc. CHargiNg stations are Few and far bETWEen, which MeanS ThE Nearest
one mighT be ouTside of my rEMaining rAnge. OR, if I can gEt to one, it MIGht
be occUpiEd. AT a gAs sTATiOn I can just waiT FIve mInUtes. At a ChaRging
stAtiOn, I MigHt hAvE to wait _hoUrs_ for soMeOnE wHo'S trYing tO Get a full
ChArgE.

 
SAviNg SciENce - HooKe
httP://www.ThEnEWatLantis.cOM/pUBLicaTiOnS/savIng-ScIence
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LutuSP
QuOte: "FirsT, scientifIc kNOwleDgE aDvances Most rapidly, anD iS of most
valUe To sOciety, NOT when its Course is determined by the “FRee play Of fRee
inTellEcts” but whEn iT is steEreD To solvE problEms."

BuT tHe hISTory oF SCiEncE bOldly and flATLy cOntraDiCts tHis claiM. The most
productive ANd sOciety-

Teknoman117
100-140 miles  is more t han a deq uat efornear ly all of theU nite d States. While
thereare p eo p le w h odrive  farthe r ,t h e v as tmaj or i ty  of t hecitizen s of thiscou nt ry travel le s sthan 40 mi les  for work, a ndI don' tkno w  anyo newho w ould
d r ive th at far fo rg roceri e s. Peop l e  t endto want to buy ac ar for the larges t
trip  t h ey c anima gine they' dtake, even if th a t eve n t may only ha ppen a fewt ime s in t he  ve h icle's  life ti m e.
~~~
ZanniYou' re assumi ng tha t  you al w ays sta rt fro m a  fu ll c h ar ge  (a na ssu m pt ion I u sed
to m ak ebefor e Ig o t an E V).  Tha t's n ot always the  ca se.I  li ve in  a
to wnho us e, so  I'm i n the  p rocess of getti ng a  charging  st at ion  i nstal l ed (it 'sbee n six m onths s o  fa ra n d  w e're still in thepa p e rw ork stag e...)I nth e 
meantim e,  Ichar g e  wher e Ic an . That m eans I al mo st _nev er _ star tmyday  with a fu ll cha rge. Wor se, t h ere are only a few places I_ ca n _  c h arge , a nd my bestopti o ns a dd 2 0  m ile s  of r angein an hour. Say I start m yday wi th 70  miles of
ran ge, whichs h o uld be m oret ha n  adequate formy ~4 5 miles of round tr ip
co mmute. B ut an eme r g ency com esupand  Ih a ve  to run an er r a nd.It 's just  ashort 1 0-m ile  tr ip,  b ut now I' m coasti ng  i nto  ho me wi t h just 5  m ile sofrange left.. . ifmy m et er isaccurat e  ( i t 's n ot ),  iftra ff ic'snotb ad(it mig ht
be), e tc. Char gi ng  statio ns are few an dfar betwee n,  wh ich me a n s the ne arest
one might be outs i de of m y r emain ingrange. Or , i f I ca n g e t to o ne, it  migh tbeo c cupie d .  A t a  g as station I  ca n jus twait  five m inutes. At a charg i ngstation, I mi ght  hav e to  wa i t_ hou rs _  fo r someone who's t rying to g et afull
charg e .
 SavingScience  - Ho o ke
http ://www.th enewatlan ti s.co m / pub lications/ saving-s cience
== = ===
l u tu sp
Qu ote : "Fir st , s cient ific k n owl edgeadvanc es  mostrapid ly , and is  of most
value to socie ty, no t whe n i ts course  is det ermined b y th e “free pl ayoffreeint e llect s” b u twhe n  it i s st e ered to s o lv e p r o bl ems."

Butt h e  hi story  of scienc e bo ldly and flatly c o ntradicts this  cla i m . T hem ostpr oductive and s oci et y - 

Teknoman117
100-140 miles_is more_than adequate for nearly_all of_the_United States._While
there_are people who_drive farther, the_vast majority of the_citizens of this
country_travel_less than 40 miles for work, and I don't know anyone who would
drive that_far_for groceries._People_tend_to want to buy a_car for the largest
trip they_can imagine_they'd take, even if that event may only_happen_a few
times in_the vehicle's lifetime.

~~~
Zanni
You're assuming that you always start from_a full charge (an assumption I_used
to make before_I_got_an EV). That's not_always the case. I live in_a
townhouse, so I'm in the process_of getting a charging station installed (it's
been_six months so far and we're_still in the paperwork stage...)_In the
meantime,_I charge where I can._That means I_almost _never__start my day_with
a full charge. Worse, there are_only a few_places I _can_ charge, and my_best
options_add 20 miles_of_range_in an_hour. Say I_start_my day_with_70 miles of
range, which should be_more_than adequate for my ~45 miles of_round trip
commute. But an_emergency_comes up and I_have to run an errand._It's just a
short 10-mile trip, but_now I'm_coasting in_to home with just 5 miles of range
left... if my meter_is accurate (it's not), if traffic's_not bad (it might
be),_etc. Charging_stations_are few and_far_between, which_means the nearest
one might be outside of_my remaining_range. Or, if I can get_to one, it might
be_occupied._At a gas station I can_just wait five minutes. At a_charging
station, I might have to_wait__hours__for someone who's trying to_get a full
charge.

 
Saving Science -_Hooke
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/saving-science
======
lutusp
Quote: "First, scientific_knowledge advances most rapidly, and is of_most
value_to society, not when its course_is_determined by the “free play of_free
intellects”_but_when it is steered to_solve problems."

But the history of science_boldly and flatly contradicts this claim. The most
productive and_society-