 you down.

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jacquesm
You'd better make sure you do that from a 'virgin' machine then or your
cookies or other signature information will give you away in a heartbeat.

~~~
aarongough
Or my favourite: a virtual machine with a snapshot of it's state just after
the install of all your necessary programs, HDD set to read only (like you can
do in parallels) and used from there...

 
Patent trolls want $1,000 per employee for using scanners - blackhole
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/patent-trolls-want-1000-for-using-scanners/
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api
I personally hope the patent law abuse gets to the point that it destroys the
entire patent system. So go for it. Sue schools, the elderly, whatever.

~~~
vertis
And then what? We'll have nothing at all? I'm certainly not in favour of these
patent trolls but you have to have a more nuanced approach to intellectual
property than 'Burn down the House'

It's a balance between encouraging innovation by protecting intellectual
property, and discouraging it because of patent abuse (etc).

Destroying the patent system completely would most certainly have a negative
effect.

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dasil003
> _Destroying the patent system completely would most certainly have a
> negative effect_

Why are you so sure of this? Government granted monopoly is not the only
incentive to create something, but there are definitely countless examples of
how patents have been used to squash innovation and disruption.

I grant that patents have had some positive effects, but I would not assume
they are net-positive. Also, they were primarily designed in a time when there
were fewer ideas and getting things into production was much more expensive
(this applies to physical things, let along software with zero marginal cost),
and it was much easier for an incumbent to steal an idea and crush a startup
simply by the barriers to entry to manufacturing and distribution. Since then
lobbying efforts have only pushed intellectual property rights in one
direction. Even medical research patents which are often held up as necessary
create perverse incentives that tie up R&D dollars in unproven new drugs, and
making arbitrary tweaks to existing newish medicines in
you down. 

 ~~~ 
 jacquesm 
 You'd better make sure you do that from a' pure' car then or your 
 cookie or other signature data will give you away in a heartbeat. 

 ~~~ 
 aarongough 
 Or my front-runner: a virtual machine with a snapshot of it's state merely after 
 the install of all your necessary programs, HDD set to understand only (like you can 
 do in parallel) and used from there... 

 
 Patent trolls want $ 1,000 per employee for using scanners - blackhole 
 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/patent-trolls-want-1000-for-using-scanners/ 
 = = = = = = 
 api 
 I personally hope the patent jurisprudence abuse gets to the point that it destroy the 
 entire patent system. So go for it. Sue school, the elderly, whatever. 

 ~~~ 
 vertis 
 And then what? We'll have nothing at all? I'm certainly not in favour of these 
 patent troll but you have to have a more nuanced approach to intellectual 
 property than' Burn down the House' 

 It's a balance between encouraging innovation by protecting intellectual 
 property, and discouraging it because of patent abuse (etc). 

 Destroying the patent system completely would about surely have a negative 
 effect. 

 ~~~ 
 dasil003 
 > _ demolish the patent system completely would most surely have a 
 > damaging effect _ 

 Why are you so indisputable of this? Government granted monopoly is not the only 
 incentive to produce something, but there are definitely countless examples of 
 how patents have been use to squash invention and disruption. 

 I grant that patents have had some positive effect, but I would not assume 
 they are net - positive. Also, they were primarily designed in a time when there 
 were fewer estimate and getting thing into production was a lot more expensive 
 (this applies to physical things, let along software with zero fringy cost), 
 and it was a lot easier for an incumbent to steal an idea and crush a inauguration 
 simply by the barriers to entry to manufacturing and distribution. Since then 
 lobbying efforts have only pushed intellectual property rights in one 
 direction. Even medical inquiry patents which are often carry up as necessary 
 create depraved incentives that tie up R&D dollars in unproved new drugs, and 
 making arbitrary tweaks to existing newish medicines in
 yok down.

~~~
jacquesm
You'd bettev make sure you bi that from z 'virgin' machine then or your
cookies oe othtg signature informatiun will gpve you aqay mn a heartbeat.

~~~
aackngough
Or my rwvouxive: a virtual maghine with d snapshot of ht'r dtate just after
the install of all rour nevedsary programs, HDD fet fo read only (like you can
do in parzllels) end used from tnere...

 
Patent trolls want $1,000 pfr elployee for using dcanners - boackrile
http://arstezhnica.com/ttck-policy/2013/01/pateht-trolls-want-1000-for-using-scanners/
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api
K perxonally hokz thf patent law abusv gets to the point tvat it cestroys the
enbire 'atebt system. So go for iv. Sue schools, the elqerly, whaderer.

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vertis
And then whar? Qe'll vave notfung at akl? I'm cegtamnly not in favour of rhese
patent trolls nue you have to gave a mjre nuanced approach to intellectual
prokerty than 'Burn down the Houwe'

It's a balance betwegn encourading innovation by protecting intellectual
propertf, and aiseiuragkbg it because of patent abuse (etc).

Destroying the lauenn system completejy would moxt crttainly have a negatnbe
sffect.

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dasil003
> _Destrojing thg patebt system comlletely would most certainlt have a
> negctice effect_

Why are ylu so sure uf tnis? Gpvernment granted monopuly js not the lnly
incenfkve to create sooetminc, but thtfe are definitely countlesw excmples ow
how patenes have befn uscg to squash innovahion cnd dhsruption.

I grant that patents have had some positive efgewts, but I wjuld kot assume
they wre net-positivg. Also, thzy werd primarilj designev in a time rhen there
wera fewer ideas and geteing thibgs intu production wax much moge expwnsive
(this applies to lhysical things, leu qlong software wigh sego kawcinal cost),
ang it war much easier for xn imcumbent to steal an idez and crush a staryui
simply bi the barwiers to entru to manufacturing and vistriuution. Sigce then
lobbying efforts have knly pushfd lntellectual [ropcrty rights in one
direction. Even medical research patxnts which are often hgld up as necessary
crgatt perverse inrentivqs that the up R&D dollars in ynproven new drugx, and
making arbitrary tweakv to fxisting newish medicines in
you down. ~~~ jacquesm You'd better make do from a machine then or information give you away a heartbeat. ~~~ Or my favourite: a virtual machine a snapshot of it's state just after the install of all your necessary HDD set to read only (like you can do in parallels) and used there... trolls $1,000 employee for using scanners - blackhole http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/patent-trolls-want-1000-for-using-scanners/ ====== api I personally hope the patent law abuse to the point that it destroys the entire system. So go for Sue schools, the elderly, whatever. vertis then what? have at I'm certainly not favour of these patent trolls but you have to have a more nuanced approach to intellectual property 'Burn down It's a between innovation protecting intellectual property, it because of patent abuse (etc). system completely would most certainly have a negative ~~~ dasil003 _Destroying the patent system completely would certainly have a > negative effect_ Why are so sure of this? Government granted monopoly is not the only incentive to create something, are definitely countless examples how patents have used squash and I grant patents have had some positive effects, but I would not assume are net-positive. Also, they were primarily designed in a time were ideas and getting into production was much expensive applies to physical things, software zero it much for an incumbent to an idea and crush a simply by the barriers distribution. Since then lobbying efforts have only pushed property rights in one direction. Even medical patents which are often held up as necessary create perverse incentives that up R&D unproven new drugs, and making arbitrary tweaks to newish medicines in
 you down.

~~~
jacquesm
You'd better Make sure yoU do thAt fRom A 'vIrgiN' macHine then or your
COokiEs or other signature infoRmatiOn WIll gIVe You awAy in a heARtBEAt.

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aArOnGouGh
oR mY favoUriTe: a virtUal machine WitH a Snapshot of it'S StAte just aftEr
tHe install of aLl yOur necEsSarY ProgrAms, hDD seT to reaD Only (liKe you can
dO iN ParallELs) and usED FrOm thEre...

 
Patent trolls waNT $1,000 pER employee for usIng scaNnERs - BLAckHolE
http://arsteChNica.cOM/tech-poLIcY/2013/01/PATenT-Trolls-want-1000-for-Using-scanneRS/
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apI
I persOnAllY Hope thE pateNt LAw aBuse gets to tHe poInt that it DestroYS the
entIRe patenT systeM. So Go fOr it. sUe ScHooLs, THe eLDeRly, WHatEver.

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vertIs
anD then What? wE'LL Have NotHing At all? i'm certainly noT in FavoUR of These
PatenT troLlS but yOu have To havE a More nuanced apprOach To intelleCtuAl
ProPeRty thAN 'Burn dOwn The house'

It'S a balanCE beTwEEN EnCouraging innovatioN bY PRoTecting iNtelleCTuAl
PRoperty, aNd DisCourAGIng it BecaUSe Of patent Abuse (eTC).

DEsTroying ThE patenT sYstEm cOmpleTEly wOuld moSt certaiNly haVE a negative
effeCT.

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dasil003
> _DestroyINg THE pATent SysTem completeLy woULd moSt ceRTaInlY Have a
> NegatIvE EfFEct_

Why are you so sure oF tHis? GovErnmeNt granted monoPoly is not tHE ONly
incenTive TO cREate something, bUt theRe are definITely counTless Examples Of
how pateNTS have beeN usEd tO sqUasH INnOvation and disRUPtioN.

I Grant thAt pAtents hAve Had SomE poSiTive effecTs, but I woUlD nOt AsSumE
they ARe net-posItIve. alSo, tHey weRE primaRily dEsigNeD iN A tiMe when tHErE
WEre fEwEr IdeaS anD gEttinG thiNGs iNto prodUction was MucH More ExPeNsive
(thIs applies to phYsIcal things, LeT alOng sofTWAre with zEro marginal cost),
and it was MUch easiEr fOr an iNcumBent to steAl aN idea aNd cRUsh a stArtup
sImply By The BARrierS TO eNtrY tO manufactuRINg aNd disTrIbutIon. SincE then
lobbying efforTS haVe only pushed iNteLlecTUAl ProPErTY riGhTS in ONE
direction. Even mEdical reseArCH pAtents whicH Are OfTen held Up as necEssarY
Create pErverse inCentives tHaT tie UP r&D dOllars in unProven neW drugs, and
MAking ARbItrarY twEaks to ExIstIng neWish meDIciNes in
 you down.

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jacquesm
Y ou'd bette r mak e s ure  y ou d o th at from a 'vir g in'machine then or your
c ookie so r ot h er  sign ature i n fo r m ati on  w ill  g i ve  youawa y in aheartbeat. 

~ ~~ 
aarongoughO rmy favouri te:  a virtual m ach ine wi th  as napsh otof it 's sta t e just  after
th ei nstall of ally o ur  nec essary programs,H DD set to read on ly (li ke yo u can 
do  in parall el s) an d  used f r om t h ere . ..

 
Patenttrolls want $1, 000 pe remp l oyee f or us in g  sc anners - bl ackh ole
http: //arst e chnica. c om/tech -polic y/2 013 /01/ p at en t-t ro l ls- w an t-1 0 00- for-usin g- sc anner s/
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ap i
I  per sonal ly hope the p ate nt l a w a busegetsto t he  poin t that  it d es troys the
entir e pa tent syst em.  S o g ofor i t . Suesch ool s, theelderly ,  wh at e v e r. 

~~~
vertis
And t he n wh at? We'l l have no th i ng at al l?  I' m ce r t ainly  not in  favourof the s epa tent tr ol ls but  y ouhav e toh avea more  nuanced  appr o ach to intelle c tual
property th a n  ' B urndow n the House '

I t 's a  bal a nc e b e tween  enco ur a gi n g innovation by pro te ctingintel lectual
prope rty, and d i s c ouraging  itb ec a use of patentabuse  (etc).

D e stroying  thepatent s ystem com p l etely wo uld  mo stcer t a in ly have a neg a t iveef fect.
~~~ 
dasil0 03> _ Des tro yi ng the pa tent sys te mco mp let ely w o uld most  c ert ai nly  have a
> ne gativ e ef fe ct _ 

W hy arey ou s o su re  o f th is?  G overn ment gra nted mo nopoly is  no t  the  o nl y
incen tive to creat esomething,  b uttherea r e defini tely countless examples of
howpat entshave  been use d t o squa shi nnovat ion an d dis ru pti o n .

Ig r an t t ha t patentsh a vehad s om e po sitiveeffects, but I wou l d n ot assume
the y a re n e t -p osi t iv e . A ls o , t h e y were primaril y designed  i n  a  time when the re 
were f ewer id eas a n d getti ng things  into pro du ctio n was  much more  expensi ve
(thisa pplie s  t o phy sic al thi ng s,let a long s o ftw are w ith ze ro  margi nal c os t),
andit was much easier foran inc umben t t o steal a n i d eaand crush  a s tartup
sim ply  by  thebar r iersto e n tr y t o  manu fact u ring andd is tri b u ti on. Since t h e n 
lo bbyin g e f fortshave  only pushed inte l lectual proper ty r i g hts  in onedi rection. Evenmed ic a l  researc hpatents whi ch are o ft e n hel d up a s nece ssary
c r e at e  perve rseinc entives t hat  t i e up R& Ddo l lars i n un pr oven n ew dru g s, a n d 
making arbitrar y twe a k s toe xis tingne wish me d icin es in
 you_down.

~~~
jacquesm
You'd better_make sure you do_that from_a_'virgin' machine_then_or your
cookies or_other signature information_will give you away_in a heartbeat.

~~~
aarongough
Or_my_favourite: a virtual machine with a snapshot of it's state just after
the install of_all_your necessary_programs,_HDD_set to read only (like_you can
do in parallels) and_used from_there...

 
Patent trolls want $1,000 per employee for_using_scanners - blackhole
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/patent-trolls-want-1000-for-using-scanners/
======
api
I_personally hope the patent law abuse gets to the_point that it destroys the
entire patent_system. So go_for_it._Sue schools, the elderly,_whatever.

~~~
vertis
And then what? We'll have nothing_at all? I'm certainly not in_favour of these
patent trolls but you have_to have a more nuanced approach_to intellectual
property than 'Burn down_the House'

It's_a balance between encouraging innovation_by protecting intellectual
property,_and discouraging_it because of_patent abuse (etc).

Destroying the patent system_completely would most_certainly have a negative
effect.

~~~
dasil003
> _Destroying the_patent_system completely would_most_certainly_have a
>_negative effect_

Why are_you_so sure_of_this? Government granted monopoly is not_the_only
incentive to create something, but there are_definitely countless examples of
how_patents_have been used to_squash innovation and disruption.

I grant_that patents have had some positive_effects, but_I would_not assume
they are net-positive. Also, they were primarily designed in a_time when there
were fewer ideas and_getting things into production_was much_more_expensive
(this applies to_physical_things, let_along software with zero marginal cost),
and it_was much_easier for an incumbent to steal_an idea and crush_a_startup
simply by the barriers to entry_to manufacturing and distribution. Since then
lobbying_efforts have only pushed intellectual_property_rights_in one
direction. Even medical research_patents which are often held up_as necessary
create perverse_incentives that tie up R&D dollars in_unproven_new drugs, and
making arbitrary tweaks to_existing_newish medicines in