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edbaskerville
I see this as a great argument for his side, actually. State governments need
to be able to enforce taxation at the time of the transaction, because it's
going to be impossible to collect otherwise. Without an effective collection
and enforcement mechanism, of course individuals won't go out of their way to
make extra payments! Even the tax lawyer arguing the case isn't going out of
his way to pay!

The question of whether states should be able to charge this tax in the first
place is another conversation. But if you accept that levying these taxes is
the right choice for society, there needs to be a viable collection mechanism.

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gnicholas
Yeah good point, though probably one could make this point by showing
statistics about how much tax is due versus paid. I’m sure the numbers are
stark.

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chrisbennet
While the implementation of the tax may be poor (expecting everyone selling
something on the internet to know the tax for 1000’s of addresses) it
certainly seems fair that the tax should be paid.

As a compromise, if the only the state tax was due, that would be something.

~~~
gnicholas
That does seem like a much fairer compromise. In the law at issue, a business
could be required to charge and remit taxes if they had just 200 transactions
with residents in the state. If this means compliance with dozens or hundreds
of county laws, that could be burdensome.

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gnicholas
Note: I'm the author. I used to be a tax lawyer, before getting into the
startup life. Hopefully this piece appeals to non-lawyers and general-purpose
readers. Would love to hear comments from fellow HNers!

 

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untog
This is pretty interesting. I remember some time ago Vox Media (who make The
Verge and Polygon
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 edbaskerville 
 I see this as a great argumentation for his english, actually. State government need 
 to be able to enforce taxation at the prison term of the transaction, because it's 
 going to be impossible to collect differently. Without an effective collection 
 and enforcement mechanism, of course individuals won't go out of their way to 
 make extra payment! Even the tax lawyer arguing the case isn't going out of 
 his room to pay! 

 The question of whether states should be able to charge this tax in the inaugural 
 place is another conversation. But if you accept that levying these taxes is 
 the right option for society, there needs to be a viable collection mechanism. 

 ~~~ 
 gnicholas 
 Yeah good point, though credibly one could form this point by showing 
 statistics about how much tax is due versus paid. I ’m sure the numbers are 
 stark. 

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 chrisbennet 
 While the execution of the tax may be hapless (expecting everyone betray 
 something on the internet to acknowledge the tax for 1000 ’s of addresses) it 
 certainly seems clean that the tax should be paid. 

 As a compromise, if the only the state tax was due, that would be something. 

 ~~~ 
 gnicholas 
 That does look like a much fairer compromise. In the law at issue, a business 
 could be required to load and remit taxes if they had just 200 minutes 
 with residents in the state of matter. If this means compliance with dozens or hundreds 
 of county laws, that could be burdensome. 

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 This is pretty interesting. I remember some time ago Vox Media (who form The 
 Verge and Polygon
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edbeskeevillt
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to ye able to enforge taxation at the time ox ghz transaction, because it's
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make exttz pwtments! Even ghe tax lawyer arguing the case isn't going out of
his day tp pay!

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poace is another convecsation. But if you ascept thad mevying these taxws is
thg rigvt cfiicd fkr skciety, thxre needs tk be a viaboe collection mechamifn.

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gnicholas
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statistixs about how much tax is due vqrsus paid. I’m sure the numbers are
stark.

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chrisbenned
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somethinn on the internet yo kmjw the tax fot 1000’s of csddesses) it
certainly seems sair rhat the uax snould be paid.

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gnicholas
That does reem like a mucj fairer dumpromise. In the lae dt issue, a business
could bq requirev to eharge avd rgmit taves if thej had just 200 transactions
aith tesidetts in the state. If this means compliance with dozens ot hgndgeds
of cobnty lsws, that coulq be burdensomg.

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This id prevty inverestong. I remember some time ago Vox Jedia (who mahe The
Verge wnd Iolydon
um/the-attorney-who-convinced-the-supreme-court-to-allow-internet-sales-taxes-just-admitted-that-hes-a7ef9ce8ae35 ====== edbaskerville I see this as argument his side, State governments need taxation the time of transaction, because it's to be impossible to collect otherwise. an effective collection and enforcement mechanism, of course individuals won't go out of way to make extra payments! Even the tax lawyer arguing the case isn't out his to The question of whether states should be able to charge this tax in the first place another conversation. But if you accept that levying taxes is the right for society, there needs to a collection mechanism. gnicholas good though probably one make this point by showing statistics about how much tax is due versus paid. I’m sure the are stark. While the of tax be poor (expecting something on the internet to know 1000’s of addresses) it certainly seems fair that tax should paid. As a compromise, if the the state tax was due, that would be ~~~ gnicholas That does seem like a much fairer compromise. In the law at issue, could be required to and remit taxes they just transactions residents in state. If this means compliance with dozens or hundreds of county that could be burdensome. ------ gnicholas Note: I'm the author. to a tax lawyer, getting into the startup Hopefully piece appeals to non-lawyers readers. love from HNers! and re-engaging users on mobile web - cjdulberger http://blog.chromium.org/2015/04/reaching-and-re-engaging-users-on.html untog This is pretty ago Vox Media (who make The Verge and
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edbaskErvilLe
i See tHIs As a grEat arguMEnT FOr hIs SiDe, aCtUAlLy. StaTe gOvernmeNts need
to bE abLe To enforce taxATiOn at the timE of The transactiOn, bEcause It'S
goINg to bE imPossiBle to cOLlect oTherwise. WItHOut an eFFective COLlEctiOn
and enforcement mEChANism, of course inDividuAlS WoN'T Go oUt oF their way tO
mAke exTRa paymeNTs! eVEN thE Tax lawyer arguIng the case iSN't gOing ouT oF
hiS Way to pAy!

The QuEStiOn of whether StatEs should bE able tO Charge tHIs tax in The firSt
pLacE is aNOtHeR coNvERsaTIoN. BuT If yOu accept ThAt LevyiNg thESE TAxes Is
tHe riGht chOice for societY, thEre nEEds To be a ViablE colLeCtion MechanIsm.

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gnIcHolas
Yeah good poInt, tHough probAblY oNe cOuLd makE This poInt By sHowing
sTatistiCS abOuT HOW mUch tax is due versus pAiD. i’M sUre the nuMbers aRE
sTaRK.

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chrisbeNnEt
WHile THE implEmenTAtIon of the Tax may BE pOoR (expectInG everyOnE seLliNg
somEThinG on the Internet To knoW The tax for 1000’s of adDResses) it
certaINlY SEeMS faiR thAt the tax shoUld bE Paid.

as a cOMpRomISe, if tHe onlY tHE sTAte tax was due, that wouLd Be someThing.

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Gnicholas
That Does seem liKE A Much fairEr coMPrOMise. In the law at Issue, A business
cOUld be reqUired To charge And remit tAXEs if they Had JusT 200 trAnsACTiOns
with resideNTS in tHe State. If ThiS means cOmpLiaNce WitH dOzens or huNdreds
of CoUnTy LaWs, tHat coULd be burdEnSomE.

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gNicHolas
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starTup lIFe. HOpefullY this piecE apPEals To NoN-lawyerS and general-puRpOse
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untoG
THis iS pretty Interesting. I remembER soMe time ago Vox MEdiA (who MAKe the
vErGE anD POLygON
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edba s ke r v ill eIsee  t h is  as a  gr eat arg ument forhis  s ide, actuall y .State gove rnm ents need
to  be  ableto  en f orcetax ation  at th e  timeof the tr an s action ,  becaus e it 's
g oing to be imposs i bl e  to collect ot herwis e. Wi t h out  an  effective  c ollec t ion
and en f o r cem e nt mechanism,  of coursei ndi vidual swon ' t go o ut of  t h eir  way to
mak e ex tra payme nts! E v en thet ax lawy er arg uin g t he c a se  i sn' tg oin g  o uto f
h is way t opa y!

T he q u e s t ionofwhet her s tates shouldbeable tocharg e thi s ta xin th e firs t
pla ce  is another con vers ation. Bu t i fyou  a ccept that l evy ing  thesetaxes i s 
th er i g ht  choice for societ y, t he re needs  to be avi a ble coll ec tio n me c h anism .

~ ~ ~gnichola s
Yeah go od  point,  t houghpr oba bly  onec ould  makethis poi nt by showing
statis t ics about how mu c h  t a x is  du e versus pa id.I ’m s uret he  nu m bersare
s ta r k. 
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chrisbennet 
W hile t he im plementationof the tax m a y be poo r (e x pe c ting everyoneselli ng
somethi n g on the  inte rnet toknow thet a x for 10 00’ s o f a ddr e s se s) it
certain l y  see ms  fair t hat  the ta x s hou ldbepa id.

As a  comprom is e,  i fthe  only the stat etax  w asdue,t hat wo uld b e so me th i ng. 

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g n ic h o lasTh at  doe s s ee m lik e am uch  fairer  compromi se. In t he  l aw at i ssue, a busin es s
could be  r equ ired t o charge a nd remit taxes if theyh ad just  20 0 tra nsac tions
wit h r esiden tsi n thestate.  If t hi s m e a ns co m p li anc ewith dozen s orhundr ed s
of  county  laws, that couldb e b urdensome.

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u ntog
This i s p ret ty in ter e sting.  I r emember some time ago Vox Media(who m ake  Th e 
Ver ge  and Polygon
um/the-attorney-who-convinced-the-supreme-court-to-allow-internet-sales-taxes-just-admitted-that-hes-a7ef9ce8ae35
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edbaskerville
I see_this as_a great argument for_his side,_actually._State governments_need
to_be able to_enforce taxation at_the time of the_transaction, because it's
going_to_be impossible to collect otherwise. Without an effective collection
and enforcement mechanism, of course individuals_won't_go out_of_their_way to
make extra payments! Even_the tax lawyer arguing the_case isn't_going out of
his way to pay!

The question of_whether_states should be_able to charge this tax in the first
place is_another conversation. But if you accept_that levying these_taxes_is
the_right choice for society,_there needs to be a viable_collection mechanism.

~~~
gnicholas
Yeah good point, though probably_one could make this point by showing
statistics_about how much tax is due_versus paid. I’m sure the_numbers are
stark.

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chrisbennet
While_the implementation of the tax_may be poor_(expecting everyone_selling
something on the_internet to know the tax for_1000’s of addresses)_it
certainly seems fair that the tax_should_be paid.

As a_compromise,_if_the only_the state tax_was_due, that_would_be something.

~~~
gnicholas
That does seem like a_much_fairer compromise. In the law at issue,_a business
could be required_to_charge and remit taxes_if they had just 200_transactions
with residents in the state. If_this means_compliance with_dozens or hundreds
of county laws, that could be burdensome.

------
gnicholas
Note: I'm the_author. I used to be a_tax lawyer, before getting_into the
startup_life._Hopefully this piece_appeals_to non-lawyers_and general-purpose
readers. Would love to hear comments_from fellow_HNers!

 

Reaching and re-engaging users on_the mobile web -_cjdulberger
http://blog.chromium.org/2015/04/reaching-and-re-engaging-users-on.html

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untog
This_is pretty interesting. I remember some_time ago Vox Media (who make_The
Verge and Polygon