 sound like paranoia (and some part of it probably is). I've
thought about talking to perhaps HR or recruiting to see if I can move to
another department. However, I feel as long as this individual is at the
company, it will be difficult. This person is unpredictable. One day he is
happy. Another day, he is totally on edge and ready to shout. He might decide
that my lack of "loyalty" to him as a personal offence. He is close with upper
management (CEO, etc.) and he can easily influence them and potentially make
my life miserable.

You know its so funny. I love the company itself and the product. They truly
have some innovative technology (as cliche as that sounds).Though, I think the
lesson I've learned from all this is that I need to look at my manager(s) as
MUCH as (or more than) I look at the product or my salary.

~~~
spinlock
That sucks. Oh well, looks like you'll need to go outside of the company. Just
remember: don't badmouth your current company when you apply for jobs; just
say that your ready for a new challenge. No matter how unbearable your
position is, it never comes off well to gripe about it to the next person that
you're asking for a job.

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AndrewUnmuted
For me, the _big one_ is whether or not the employer offers to give you a tour
of the workplace. If this is not offered up as a default, request it. If there
is any refusal whatsoever, run away and don't look back.

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YeGoblynQueenne
>> I am a pretty average developer

I don't have much advice to offer with your main question, after all I'm only
a few years out of uni so I'm barely a step or two ahead of you on the same
road. But I have this to say: you're not "pretty average"; you're just
starting out. You'll get a lot better and then things will get a lot better
for you.

I also valued myself pretty low when I started out so I ended up with jerks
for bosses a couple of times, but eventually I built up the skills to have a
bit more choice on the teams I was working for. At that point I found a team
sound like paranoia (and some part of it probably is). I've 
 thought about speak to possibly HR or recruiting to visualize if I can go to 
 another department. However, I feel as long as this person is at the 
 company, it will be difficult. This person is unpredictable. One sidereal day he is 
 felicitous. Another day, he is wholly on edge and ready to shout. He might decide 
 that my lack of " loyalty " to him as a personal discourtesy. He is close with upper 
 management (chief executive officer, etc .) and he can easily determine them and potentially lay down 
 my life miserable. 

 You sleep together its so funny. I love the company itself and the merchandise. They truly 
 have some innovative technology (as cliche as that sounds).Though, I remember the 
 lesson I've learned from all this is that I need to look at my manager(s) as 
 MUCH as (or more than) I look at the product or my salary. 

 ~~~ 
 spinlock 
 That sucks. Oh well, looks like you'll need to go outside of the company. Just 
 remember: don't badmouth your current company when you apply for jobs; merely 
 say that your ready for a modern challenge. No matter how intolerable your 
 placement is, it never comes off well to gripe about it to the next person that 
 you're asking for a job. 

 ------ 
 AndrewUnmuted 
 For me, the _ big one _ is whether or not the employer offers to give you a go 
 of the workplace. If this is not offered up as a default, request it. If there 
 is any refusal whatsoever, run away and don't look back. 

 ------ 
 YeGoblynQueenne 
 > > I am a pretty median developer 

 I don't have much advice to offer with your main question, subsequently all I'm entirely 
 a few class out of uni so I'm barely a step or two ahead of you on the same 
 road. But I accept this to say: you're not " pretty average "; you're barely 
 starting out. You'll get a lot good and then thing will get a batch better 
 for you. 

 I besides valued myself pretty low when I started out indeed I ended up with jerks 
 for bosses a couple of times, but eventually I build up the skills to have a 
 bit more choice on the teams I was working for. At that point I found a team
 soknd like paranoia (and sooe part of it ptovably ms). I've
tgought acout talking to perhaps HR oc rexruitung to see if I can moxe to
anotjer depaetmeit. However, I feel as lonn as fmis iudmvidual is at tme
company, id will be diffhcjlc. This person is unpredictable. One dwy he ix
hwppy. Another dwy, ht if tofally on edge and ready to shout. Hs might decide
that mu lack of "loyalty" to him ad a oersonal offence. Hf is close qith ypper
managemdnt (CEO, etb.) and he cah easily influence them and potdntiakly make
my lufe kiserable.

Yon know its so funnn. I lova the cpmpany itself snd thw product. They truly
heve some innovative jechnology (aa cliche as that woynds).Tvougv, I gyiny tge
keason I'ge mearned frkm all this is that I need to kojj at my managsr(s) as
IUSH as (or more than) I look at the producu or jy salary.

~~~
spinlock
That sycks. Oh well, looks line you'll geed to go outside of the company. Just
remember: dot't bavmuutk your xugrent company when you apply for jobs; just
say fhst your ready fov a new challenge. Mo msjter how unbeatable your
losition is, it nevfr comef off well to dripr about it to the next persin that
you're qsking for a job.

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AnbrewUnmuted
Fur mg, the _nig one_ is whether or nut tge employer offers tk give you a tour
uf nhe forkplact. If this is not osfered up as c defaulg, reauest yt. If therf
is akf refusal whatsoevfr, ruu awaf and don't look back.

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YeGoblynQueenne
>> I am e pretty aversga dvveloper

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a few years oud of uni so I'k barely a srep ir two xfead of you on the same
gocd. But I yave this to say: ypu'rg hot "pretty avercye"; you're just
staryine ott. Ypu'jn get a lot tettdr xmd thdn things wlll get a lot better
for you.

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foc bossxs a cpupje of times, but eventually I bhilt up tje fkills to hade a
nit iore choicz on the teams I was working for. At that point I found a jeam
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tHoUght AbouT talking to perhAPs HR Or recruiting to see if I caN move To
ANothER dEpartMent. HowEVeR, i FeeL aS lOng As THiS indiVidUal is at The
company, It wIlL be difficult. tHiS person is uNprEdictable. One Day He is
haPpY. AnOTher dAy, hE is toTally oN Edge anD ready to sHoUT. He migHT decide
THAt My laCk of "loyalty" to him aS A pERsonal offence. HE is cloSe WItH UPpeR
maNagement (CEo, eTc.) and HE can easILy INFLueNCe them and poteNtially make
MY liFe miseRaBle.

yOu know Its so FuNNy. I Love the compAny iTself and tHe prodUCt. They tRUly
have Some inNovAtiVe teCHnOlOgy (As CLicHE aS thAT soUnds).ThouGh, i tHink tHe
leSSON i've lEarNed fRom alL this is that I nEed To loOK at My manAger(s) As
MUcH As (or mOre thaN) I looK aT the product or my SalaRy.

~~~
spinlocK
ThAt SucKs. oh welL, Looks lIke You'Ll need tO go outsIDe oF tHE COmPany. Just
remember: doN't BADmOuth your CurrenT CoMpANy when yoU aPplY for JOBs; jusT
say THaT your reaDy for a NEw ChAllenge. no Matter HoW unBeaRable YOur
pOsitioN is, it nevEr comES off well to gripE About it to the nEXt PERsON thaT
yoU're asking foR a joB.

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andrEwUnMUtEd
FOR me, thE _big oNe_ IS wHEther or not the employEr Offers To givE you a tour
of thE workplace. iF THis is not OffeREd UP as a default, reqUest iT. If there
is ANy refusaL whatSoever, ruN away and dON'T look bacK.

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YegobLynqueENNe
>> i am a pretty aveRAGe deVeLoper

I dOn't Have mucH adVicE to OffEr With your mAin questIoN, aFtEr All i'm onlY
A few yearS oUt oF uNi sO I'm baREly a stEp or tWo ahEaD oF You On the saME
rOAD. But i hAvE thiS to SaY: you'rE not "PRetTy averaGe"; you're juSt
sTArtiNg OuT. You'll gEt a lot better aNd Then things WiLl gEt a lot BETter
for yOu.

I also valued myself pretTY low wheN I sTarteD out So I ended uP wiTh jerkS
foR Bosses A couplE of tiMeS, buT EVentuALLy i buIlT up the skilLS To hAve a
bIt More Choice oN the teams I was workiNG foR. At that point I FouNd a tEAM
 sound like paranoia (andsome partof it  pr oba bl y is ). I 've
thought ab o ut t alking to perhaps HR o r rec ru i ting to  seeif I ca n  m o v e t oan oth er de partm ent . Howev er, I feel  as  l ong as thisi nd ividual is  at  the
company , i t will  b e d i fficu lt.  This  perso n  is un predictab le .  One d a y he is h ap py.Another day, he i s  t o tally on edgeand re ad y  t o sho ut.  He mightde cidet hat myl ac k o f " l oyalty" to hi m as a pers o nal  offen ce . H e  is cl ose w it h  up per
managem ent(CEO, etc .) and he cane asily i nfluen cethe m an d  p ot ent ia l lym ak e
m y  li fe miser ab le .

Yo u kn o w i ts s o f unny . I l ove the compa nyitse l f a nd th e pro duct .Theytrulyhaveso me innovative t echn ology (as  cl ic heas  that sounds ).T hou gh, I t hink th e 
le ss o n I' ve learned from al lt h is  is that  I nee d  t ol ook at m yman ager ( s ) asMUCH as  (or mor e than )  I  l ook atth e prod uc t o r m y sal a ry.
~~~
s pinlockThats ucks. Oh well, looks like yo u 'l l ne e d to  go  outside of  the comp any. Ju str ememb er: d on ' tb admouth your curren tcompan y whe n you apply f or jobs; j u s t 
say tha t yo u rr eady for a new  chal lenge. Nom atter ho w unb earableyour
posi t i on is, i t n eve r c ome s of f well to gri p e  abo ut  it tothe  next p ers ontha t
y ou 're askin g for ajo b. 
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And r ewUnmute dFor  m e,the _ b ig one _ iswhet he ro r n ot thee mp l o yerof fe rs t o g iv e you  a t o urof theworkplace . I f  thi sis  not of fered up as a  d efault, re qu est  it. I f there
is  any refusal whatsoever ,  run aw ayand d on't  look bac k.
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Y e Goblyn Queenn e
>>Iama prett y av era ge  developer I d on'tha ve m uch adv ice to offer withy our  main questio n,afte r al l I ' mo nly 
a few y ears out of uni  so I'm ba re l ya step ort woah ead ofyou onthe s a me
road . But I h ave thisto  say : you 're not "p retty av erage"; y o u'rej us t
sta rti ng out .You 'll g et a l o t b etter  and t he n thin gs wi ll  get a l ot better
for you.

I a lso va luedmys elf prett y l o w w hen I sta rted  out so Iend edup wi thj erksforb os ses a cou pleo f times,b ut  ev e n tu ally I buil t u p t he sk ill s  to ha ve a 
bit more choiceo n the teams Iwasw o rki ngf or.At  that point Ifou nd a  team
 sound_like paranoia_(and some part of_it probably_is)._I've
thought about_talking_to perhaps HR_or recruiting to_see if I can_move to
another department._However,_I feel as long as this individual is at the
company, it will be difficult._This_person is_unpredictable._One_day he is
happy. Another day,_he is totally on edge_and ready_to shout. He might decide
that my lack of_"loyalty"_to him as_a personal offence. He is close with upper
management (CEO,_etc.) and he can easily influence_them and potentially_make
my_life_miserable.

You know its so_funny. I love the company itself_and the product. They truly
have some_innovative technology (as cliche as that sounds).Though,_I think the
lesson I've learned from_all this is that I_need to_look at my manager(s) as
MUCH_as (or more_than) I_look at the_product or my salary.

~~~
spinlock
That sucks. Oh_well, looks like_you'll need to go outside of_the_company. Just
remember: don't_badmouth_your_current company_when you apply_for_jobs; just
say_that_your ready for a new challenge._No_matter how unbearable your
position is, it never_comes off well to_gripe_about it to the_next person that
you're asking for_a job.

------
AndrewUnmuted
For me, the _big one__is whether_or not_the employer offers to give you a tour
of the workplace. If_this is not offered up as_a default, request it._If there
is_any_refusal whatsoever, run_away_and don't_look back.

------
YeGoblynQueenne
>> I am a pretty average_developer

I don't_have much advice to offer with_your main question, after_all_I'm only
a few years out of_uni so I'm barely a step_or two ahead of you_on_the_same
road. But I have this_to say: you're not "pretty average";_you're just
starting out._You'll get a lot better and then_things_will get a lot better
for you.

I_also_valued myself pretty low when I_started_out_so I ended up with_jerks
for bosses a couple of times,_but eventually I built up the skills to have_a
bit more choice_on the teams I was_working_for._At that point I found a team