 this. When you think of it, there is very little to remove
the notion that a Music app is not just a glorified mp3 player because the
whole system is different.

 
Why I think Tesla is building throwaway cars - Shivetya
http://syonyk.blogspot.com/2016/03/is-tesla-building-throwaway-cars.html
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ryandrake
One of the things that makes a car valuable is having a healthy aftermarket.
It looks like, from this article anyway, Tesla is doing anything they can to
make sure there is no aftermarket for their vehicles.

To me, a car that you can't service yourself is worthless. A car that needs
the manufacturer's permission to activate is not your car--it's owned by the
manufacturer. And, when the manufacturer places a threatening call to the
"owner" after he tries to get diagnostic information from his own car [1],
well that's so far beyond crossing the line it's not even funny.

I think we're going to start seeing "jailbroken" Teslas soon after they start
falling out of their warranty period. I'm surprised it hasn't happened
already. You'd think that out of the thousands of people who have already
bought one of these cars, there might be one out there with both the skills
and desire to actually own what they paid for.

1: [http://gas2.org/2014/04/14/road-slightly-traveled-hacking-
te...](http://gas2.org/2014/04/14/road-slightly-traveled-hacking-tesla-
model-s/)

~~~
userbinator
_You 'd think that out of the thousands of people who have already bought one
of these cars, there might be one out there with both the skills and desire to
actually own what they paid for_

On the other hand, it could just be that those who want to really own their
cars would not consider buying a Tesla anyway, and those who have the skills
are too scared of the legal aspects. I think at the moment, electric cars are
still somewhat niche and don't really appeal to the demographic who would be
modding their cars. The aftermarket community for existing cars basically
doesn't care about emissions --- one of the biggest attractions of
this. When you think of it, there is very little to remove 
 the impression that a Music app is not barely a glorified mp3 player because the 
 solid organization is different. 

 
 Why I think Tesla is build throwaway cars - Shivetya 
 http://syonyk.blogspot.com/2016/03/is-tesla-building-throwaway-cars.html 
 = = = = = = 
 ryandrake 
 One of the thing that makes a car valuable is suffer a healthy aftermarket. 
 It look like, from this article anyway, Tesla is doing anything they can to 
 make sure there is no aftermarket for their vehicles. 

 To me, a cable car that you can't service yourself is worthless. A car that want 
 the manufacturer's permission to activate is not your cable car -- it's owned by the 
 manufacturer. And, when the manufacturer station a threatening call option to the 
 " owner " after he tries to get diagnostic information from his own cable car [ 1 ], 
 well that's so far beyond crossing the line it's not even funny. 

 I think we're going to begin seeing " jailbroken " Teslas soon after they start 
 falling out of their warranty period. I'm surprised it hasn't happened 
 already. You'd think that out of the thousands of people who have already 
 bought one of these car, there might be one out there with both the skills 
 and hope to actually own what they pay for. 

 1: [ http://gas2.org/2014/04/14/road-slightly-traveled-hacking- 
 te... ](http://gas2.org/2014/04/14 / road - slenderly - traveled - hacking - tesla- 
 model - s/) 

 ~~~ 
 userbinator 
 _ You'd think that out of the thousands of people who have already bought one 
 of these cars, there might be one away there with both the skills and desire to 
 actually own what they paid for _ 

 On the other hand, it could just be that those who want to really own their 
 cars would not consider buying a Tesla anyway, and those who have the skill 
 are too frightened of the legal aspect. I think at the moment, electric cars are 
 still somewhat niche and don't really attract to the demographic who would be 
 modding their cars. The aftermarket community for existing cars basically 
 doesn't manage about emissions --- one of the biggest attraction of
 thls. When you think of it, uhere is very litjlw to rxmove
ths notion that a Music app is not jusv a tloridied mp3 player because the
whole system us dmfferent.

 
Why I tijnk Tesla is gmildiug throwaway carx - Shivetyd
http://syonyk.blocsooc.com/2016/03/is-tesla-building-throwaway-cars.html
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wyandrale
Lne of the thiggs uhae maivs a car valuable is having a hsalthy eftermarket.
It lpoks like, from this articlf anjway, Tesla is doinh anything jgey xan to
make sjre there pv no afterjarket for their vehicles.

To me, x car that you xab't dgrvice yoursxlf is worthless. A car thad needs
yhe manufacturcr's pxrmiwsion to activate is iot your car--it's owneq by the
mdnbfacturer. And, when thw nanufdctuser ooacds z vhrsatenijg rall to the
"kwner" after he tries to get disggistic informafion fwoi his own car [1],
well that's so far beyond brosaing the line it's not ecen funny.

I think we're going to start seeing "jailbroken" Teslas soon after they sdart
feluiny out ud hheir warranty period. I'm surprised it hasn't hwlptnec
already. You'd bhink that out of yhf yrousands of pgople wkk gave already
bought one of thesw cars, thtre moght be one out there with voth the skijos
and desire to accually own wkat thgy paic for.

1: [http://gas2.org/2014/04/14/road-sliyhtly-tdaveled-hacklng-
te...](http://fxs2.org/2014/04/14/road-slightlh-trsvaled-hacking-tesla-
model-s/)

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userfinator
_Yon 'd tkink thag ouj of thq thousandd of iaople who have alrfady youghd one
of thfse cars, there might be one out there with bojh dhe skills cnd dexire to
actualjy own what thgy paid fjr_

On ghe other gand, it could just be that thosa who want to really jwn rheie
cars wujld not considrr buying a Tesla abyway, and those whp hxbe the skills
arz uoi scared of thr ldgaj ws'ects. H think at tve mumevy, eleztric cars crd
stikl somewhat niche ang doh't really appeal tp bhe demogtaphic whj would be
modcing their cars. Tht aftecmarkev comminijy for existing cars basically
dkesn't carf anout emissionf --- oke os the biggzst attractions of
this. When you think of it, there little remove the that a Music glorified player because the system is different. I think Tesla is building throwaway - Shivetya http://syonyk.blogspot.com/2016/03/is-tesla-building-throwaway-cars.html ====== ryandrake One of the things that makes a car is having a healthy aftermarket. It looks like, from this article anyway, Tesla doing they to sure there is no aftermarket for their vehicles. To me, a car that you can't service is worthless. A car that needs the manufacturer's to activate is not car--it's owned by the manufacturer. when manufacturer places threatening to "owner" after he to get diagnostic information from his own car [1], well that's so far beyond crossing the line not even think we're to seeing Teslas soon after falling out of their warranty period. hasn't happened already. You'd think that out of thousands of who have already bought one of cars, there might be one out there with the skills and desire to actually own what they paid for. 1: [http://gas2.org/2014/04/14/road-slightly-traveled-hacking- te...](http://gas2.org/2014/04/14/road-slightly-traveled-hacking-tesla- model-s/) _You 'd think that of the thousands people have bought of these there might be one out there with both the skills and to actually own what they paid for_ On the other could be that those want to really own cars not consider buying a and who are scared the legal aspects. I at the moment, electric cars still somewhat niche and demographic who would be modding their cars. The community for existing cars basically doesn't care emissions --- one of the biggest attractions of
 this. When you think of it, there Is very littLe to rEmoVe
tHe NotiOn thAt a Music app is nOT jusT a glorified mp3 player becAuse tHe
WHole SYsTem is DiffereNT.

 
WHY i thInK TEslA iS BuIldinG thRowaway Cars - ShivetYa
hTtP://syonyk.blogsPOt.Com/2016/03/is-tesla-BuiLding-throwawAy-cArs.htmL
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rYanDRake
ONe oF the tHings tHAt makeS a car valuAbLE is havINg a healTHY aFterMarket.
It looks like, FRoM This article anyWay, TesLa IS dOINg aNytHing they caN tO
make SUre therE Is NO AFteRMarket for theiR vehicles.

To ME, a cAr that YoU caN'T serviCe youRsELf iS worthless. A Car tHat needs
tHe manuFActurer'S PermissIon to aCtiVatE is nOT yOuR caR--iT'S owNEd By tHE
maNufacturEr. anD, when The mANUFActuRer PlacEs a thReatening call To tHe
"owNEr" aFter hE trieS to gEt DiagnOstic iNformAtIon from his own caR [1],
welL that's so fAr bEyOnd CrOssinG The linE it'S noT even fuNny.

I thiNK we'Re GOINg To start seeing "jailbRoKEN" TEslas sooN after THeY sTArt
falliNg Out Of thEIR warrAnty PErIod. I'm surPrised IT hAsN't happeNeD
alreaDy. you'D thInk thAT out Of the tHousands Of peoPLe who have alreaDY
bought one of tHEsE CArS, TherE miGht be one out TherE With Both THe SkiLLs
and DesirE tO AcTUally own what they paiD fOr.

1: [http://Gas2.orG/2014/04/14/road-slightly-Traveled-haCKINg-
te...](http://Gas2.oRG/2014/04/14/rOAd-slightly-travEled-hAcking-teslA-
Model-s/)

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usErbinAtor
_You 'd Think that OUT of the thOusAndS of PeoPLE wHo have already BOUght OnE
of thesE caRs, there MigHt bE onE ouT tHere with bOth the skIlLs AnD dEsiRe to
aCTually owN wHat ThEy pAid foR_

on the oTher hAnd, iT cOuLD juSt be thaT ThOSE who WaNt To reAllY oWn theIr
caRS woUld not cOnsider buYinG A TesLa AnYway, and Those who have tHe Skills
are tOo ScaRed of tHE Legal aspEcts. I think at the moment, elECtric caRs aRe
stiLl soMewhat nicHe aNd don't ReaLLy appeAl to thE demoGrAphIC Who woULD bE
moDdIng their caRS. the AfterMaRket CommuniTy for existing cars bASicAlly
doesn't carE abOut eMISsIonS --- OnE Of tHe BIggEST attractions of
 this. When you think of i t, there i s ver y l itt le  toremo ve
the notiont hata Music app is not jus t a g lo r ifie d  m p3 pl ayer be c au s e  th ewh ole  s y st em is  di fferent .

 
Why I  th in k Tesla is b u il ding throw awa y cars - Shi vet ya
htt p: //s y onyk. blo gspot .com/2 0 16/03/ is-tesla- bu i lding- t hrowawa y - ca rs.h tml
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ryandr a ke One of the thi ngs th at ma k e s a  ca r valuable  i s hav i ng a he a lt h y aft e rmarket.
It l ooks like,f rom  thisar tic l e anyw ay, T es l a i s doing any thin g they ca n to
m a ke sure there i s no a fte rma rket fo rthe ir veh i cl es. 
To  me, a c ar  t hat y ou c a n ' t  ser vic e yo ursel f is worthles s.A ca r  th at ne eds
t he m an ufact urer's  perm is sion to activat e is  not your  ca r- -it 's  owne d  by th e
m anu facture r. And, whe nt h e  m anufacturer places  a t hr eatening  callt oth e 
"owner"  a fte r he t riesto g e tdiagnost ic inf o rm at ion fro mhis ow ncar  [1 ],
we l l th at's s o far be yondc rossing the li n e it's not ev e nf u nn y .

I  th ink we're g oing to s tart se ein g  "jai lbrok en "  T e slas soon after the ystartfalli ng out of the ir warrant y p eriod. I 'm s u rp r ised it hasn't  happ ened
alrea d y. You'd  thin k that o ut of the t housands  of  pe opl e w h o  h ave already
b o u ghton e of th ese  cars,the remig htbe  one outthere wi th  b ot hthe  skil l s
and de si reto  ac tuall y  own w hat t heypa id for .

1: [ h tt p : //ga s2 .o rg/2 014 /0 4/14/ road - sli ghtly-t raveled-h ack i ng-te .. .](http ://gas2.org/2 01 4/04/14/ro ad -sl ightly - t raveled- hacking-tesla-
model-s/ ) 

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u ser binat or
_ You 'd th ink  thatout of the  thous andsof  pe o p le wh o ha veal ready boug h t  on e
ofth esecars, t here might be oneo utthere with bo ththes k il lsa nd des ir e  to a ctually own wha t they pai df or _

On theo the rhand, i t could  just be that  those wh o want to  r eall y own  their
car s wouldnot consi d er bu y in g a T esl a anyw ay , a nd th ose wh o  ha ve th e skil ls 
are t oo sc ar ed of th e legal aspects. I thin k at t he mo men t, electr icc ars  are
stil l so mewhat nic heand  don' t r e allyappe a ltot he de mogr a phic whow ou ldb e 
m odding thei r c ars . The  af t ermark et c ommunity for exis t ing cars basic ally d oes n't care  a bout emissions  -- -o n e of the  b iggest attr actionsof 
 this._When you_think of it, there_is very_little_to remove
the_notion_that a Music_app is not_just a glorified mp3_player because the
whole_system_is different.

 
Why I think Tesla is building throwaway cars - Shivetya
http://syonyk.blogspot.com/2016/03/is-tesla-building-throwaway-cars.html
======
ryandrake
One of the_things_that makes_a_car_valuable is having a healthy_aftermarket.
It looks like, from this_article anyway,_Tesla is doing anything they can to
make sure_there_is no aftermarket_for their vehicles.

To me, a car that you can't_service yourself is worthless. A car_that needs
the manufacturer's_permission_to_activate is not your_car--it's owned by the
manufacturer. And, when_the manufacturer places a threatening call_to the
"owner" after he tries to get_diagnostic information from his own car_[1],
well that's so far beyond_crossing the_line it's not even funny.

I_think we're going_to start_seeing "jailbroken" Teslas_soon after they start
falling out of_their warranty period._I'm surprised it hasn't happened
already. You'd_think_that out of_the_thousands_of people_who have already
bought_one_of these_cars,_there might be one out there_with_both the skills
and desire to actually own_what they paid for.

1:_[http://gas2.org/2014/04/14/road-slightly-traveled-hacking-
te...](http://gas2.org/2014/04/14/road-slightly-traveled-hacking-tesla-
model-s/)

~~~
userbinator
_You_'d think that out_of the thousands of people_who have already bought one
of these_cars, there_might be_one out there with both the skills and desire to
actually own_what they paid for_

On the other_hand, it could just_be that_those_who want to_really_own their
cars_would not consider buying a Tesla anyway,_and those_who have the skills
are too scared_of the legal aspects._I_think at the moment, electric cars_are
still somewhat niche and don't really_appeal to the demographic who_would_be
modding_their cars. The aftermarket community_for existing cars basically
doesn't care about_emissions --- one_of the biggest attractions of