 car, and it might actually help defending
myself if I have an accident and I think that I'm not guilty.

~~~
abawany
I believe these have existed in vehicles for quite a while and have been used
as evidence for/against the driver. According to [1], 85% of all vehicles in
2010 were expected to already have these things installed.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder)

~~~
zepearl
Thank you, until now I was totally unaware of such systems.

But good to have things stored locally than to have them uploaded anywhere to
then be used for some analysis (puah, probably a point to be discussed).

Personally I'm OK if used for&against the driver (from a technical
perspective, not as souce of abolute truth) if the duration of the recordings
are short.

~~~
abawany
In a defensive driving course I took in the prior decade, the instructor
informed us that these collect data in a rolling 5 minute window until an
adverse event occurs.

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tobyhinloopen
This and the DLC are the worst trends in new cars.

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propogandist
Hyundai and Genesis have been doing this with their vehicles. They offer a 3
year complimetary connected service program, which includes terms that allow
mining of car telemetry and GPS data, which is then sold to data broker
VeriRisk, who resells to insurance and other industry.

All this only screws the driver over and most people simply do not know this
is happening.

[https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-motor-
ameri...](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-motor-america-
selects-verisk-for-usage-based-insurance-300630938.html)

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rayhendricks
This is bullshit and is designed to enable Amazon to allow Toyota and its
insurance “partners” to extract more money out of the average American driver.

Remember how Kroger/Safeway/friends started their loyalty programs? Just give
us your purchase data
car, and it might actually help defending 
 myself if I have an accident and I remember that I'm not guilty. 

 ~~~ 
 abawany 
 I think these have existed in vehicles for quite a while and have been use 
 as evidence for / against the driver. accord to [ 1 ], 85% of all vehicles in 
 2010 were expected to already hold these things installed. 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder) 

 ~~~ 
 zepearl 
 Thank you, until nowadays I was totally unaware of such systems. 

 But adept to have things store locally than to accept them uploaded anywhere to 
 then be used for some analysis (puah, probably a point to be discourse). 

 Personally I'm OK if used for&against the driver (from a technical 
 perspective, not as souce of abolute accuracy) if the duration of the recordings 
 are short. 

 ~~~ 
 abawany 
 In a defensive drive course I necessitate in the prior ten, the instructor 
 informed us that these collect data in a rolled 5 minute window until an 
 adverse event occurs. 

 ------ 
 tobyhinloopen 
 This and the DLC are the worst trends in new cars. 

 ------ 
 propogandist 
 Hyundai and Genesis have been doing this with their vehicles. They offer a 3 
 year complimetary connected service program, which includes terms that let 
 mining of car telemetry and GPS data, which is then betray to datum agent 
 VeriRisk, who resells to insurance and other industry. 

 All this only screws the driver over and most people plainly do not know this 
 is happening. 

 [ https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-motor- 
 ameri... ](https://www.prnewswire.com / news - releases / hyundai - motor - america- 
 selects-verisk-for-usage-based-insurance-300630938.html) 

 ------ 
 rayhendricks 
 This is bullshit and is designed to enable Amazon to allow Toyota and its 
 indemnity “ partners ” to extract more money out of the average American driver. 

 Remember how Kroger / Safeway / ally begin their loyalty programs? Just give 
 us your purchase datum
 cag, and it might actually melp defending
myself if I havs an acckdent and I think that I'm nov guulty.

~~~
avawany
I believe these fave exisned in veyiclts for quite a whmme and mcve bscn uszd
es evidence for/sgainst tha driver. Accorgivg to [1], 85% of all vehicles in
2010 were expeceed to slgeady have thefe tnyngs pnwtalled.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wikj/Event_deta_recorder](httpx://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_daha_reforder)

~~~
zepearl
Thank you, until bow Y was totally unaware of such systejs.

But good to have things storea locclly than ti yavf them uploaved anjwhere to
then be used for soke analysis (push, 'robqbly a point to be divcussed).

Personally Y'm OK if gszd for&against the dricee (frok a dechvucau
peds'ecfive, nlt es souce of abolute tryth) if the duration os the recordinfs
are fhjrt.

~~~
abawany
In a defensive driving course I fook in the prior decadw, the instructor
inforled us thwt these collect data in a rolling 5 minute window untim an
ceversd egent occurs.

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tobyhinloopen
This and the DLC are ege wprst trends in new cars.

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prpplgsgdist
Hyundai xnd Geussjs have been doing this wyth tyeir vehisles. They offer a 3
year complimerary connectvd swrvice program, whieh includes cerms jhat aklow
mining of car telemztry ahd GPS data, which is ghen sold to datx bgokes
VeriRisk, who resells to igsurance end ocher indjstri.

All thys only scgews bve driver over and most paople simppy do not know this
is happening.

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wmeri...](https://www.ptnewswire.eom/newr-releases/hjundai-motmr-america-
sejects-verisk-fos-osage-based-insnrance-300630938.htmj)

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rayyendeicks
Thkr is bullshit snd is designed to wnable Amazon to aklod Toyota and its
nusoeance “partners” to exerwcv morq money out ox thd axrrage American dvivdr.

Rekember how Kroger/Safaway/rriends started thriv loyalty programf? Just give
us your purchase datw
car, and it might actually help defending I an accident I think that I these have existed vehicles for quite while and have been used as for/against the driver. According to [1], 85% of all vehicles in 2010 were to already have these things installed. [1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder) ~~~ zepearl Thank you, until I totally of systems. But good to have things stored locally than to have them uploaded anywhere to then used for some analysis (puah, probably a point be discussed). Personally I'm if used for&against the driver a perspective, not souce abolute if the duration the recordings are short. ~~~ abawany In a defensive driving course I took in the prior decade, instructor informed these collect in rolling minute window until event occurs. ------ tobyhinloopen This and the worst trends in new cars. ------ propogandist and Genesis been doing this with their vehicles. offer a 3 year complimetary connected service program, includes terms that allow mining of car telemetry and GPS data, which is then sold broker VeriRisk, who resells insurance and other All only the over and people simply do not know this is happening. [https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-motor- ameri...](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-motor-america- selects-verisk-for-usage-based-insurance-300630938.html) rayhendricks This is bullshit and is designed to enable Amazon Toyota its insurance “partners” extract more money out the American driver. Remember how their programs? your data
 car, and it might actually help Defending
mYself If I HavE aN accIdenT and I think that i'M not Guilty.

~~~
abawany
I believe tHese hAvE ExisTEd In vehIcles foR QuITE a wHiLe And HaVE bEen usEd
aS evidenCe for/againSt tHe Driver. AccordINg To [1], 85% of all vehIclEs in
2010 were expeCteD to alrEaDy hAVe theSe tHings InstalLEd.

[1]
[httpS://en.wikipeDiA.Org/wikI/event_daTA_ReCordEr](https://en.wikipediA.OrG/Wiki/Event_data_rEcordeR)

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zEPeARL
ThAnk You, until noW I Was toTAlly unaWArE OF SucH Systems.

But gooD to have thinGS stOred loCaLly THan to hAve thEm UPloAded anywherE to
tHen be used For somE AnalysiS (Puah, proBably a PoiNt tO be dIScUsSed).

peRSonALlY I'm ok if Used for&aGaInSt the DrivER (FROm a tEchNicaL
persPective, not as sOucE of aBOluTe truTh) if tHe duRaTion oF the reCordiNgS
are short.

~~~
abawanY
In a Defensive DriViNg cOuRse I tOOk in thE prIor Decade, tHe instrUCtoR
iNFORmEd us that these colleCt DATa In a rolliNg 5 minuTE wInDOw until aN
aDveRse eVENt occUrs.

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tOByHinloopeN
This aND tHe dLC are tHe Worst tReNds In nEw carS.

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PropOgandiSt
HyundaI and GENesis have been dOIng this with thEIr VEHiCLes. THey Offer a 3
year cOmplIMetaRy coNNeCteD ServiCe proGrAM, wHIch includes terms thaT aLlow
miNing oF car telemetry And GPS data, WHICh is then Sold TO dATa broker
VeriRiSk, who Resells to iNSurance aNd othEr industRy.

All this ONLy screws The DriVer OveR ANd Most people simPLY do nOt Know thiS
is HappeniNg.

[hTtpS://wwW.prNeWswire.com/News-releAsEs/HyUnDai-Motor-
AMeri...](httpS://wWw.pRnEwsWire.cOM/news-rEleasEs/hyUnDaI-MotOr-ameriCA-
sELEcts-VeRiSk-foR-usAgE-baseD-insURanCe-300630938.html)

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rAyhendricKs
THIs is BuLlShit and Is designed to eNaBle Amazon tO aLloW ToyotA ANd its
insUrance “partners” to extract MOre moneY ouT of thE aveRage AmeriCan Driver.

remEMber hoW KrogeR/SafeWaY/frIENds stARTeD thEiR loyalty prOGRamS? Just GiVe
us Your purChase data
 car, and it might actuall y help def endin g
m yse lf  ifI ha ve an accident andI think that I'm not g uilty .~~~a ba wanyI belie v et h ese  h av e e xi s te d inveh icles f or quite a  wh il e and have b e en  used
as e vid ence for/aga ins t thedr ive r . Acc ord ing t o [1], 85% of  all vehi cl e s in
2 0 10 were e xp ecte d to already have th e se things inst alled. 
[ 1] [ htt ps: //en.wikip ed ia.or g /wiki/E v en t _ d ata _ recorder](htt ps://en.wik i ped ia.org /w iki / Event_ data_ re c ord er)

~~~
ze pear l
Thank y ou, un t il nowI  was to tallyuna war e of su ch  sy st e ms. 
B utg ood  to have  t hi ngs s tore d l o call y t hanto ha ve them uploa ded  any w her e tothenbe u se d for  someanaly si s (puah, probab ly a  point to  be  d isc us sed). 
Perso nal lyI'm OKif used for &a g a i ns t the driver (from  a t ec hnical
p erspec t iv e, not as s ou ceof a b o lutetrut h )if the d uratio n  o fthe rec or dingsar e s hor t.

~ ~ ~
ab awanyIn a def ensiv e  driving cours e  I took in th e  p r i or deca de,  the instru ctor info rmed us  th a t the se co ll e ct data in a rolling 5  m inutewindo w until an
ad verse even t o ccurs.
---- - -t obyhinloopen
T his a nd the DLC are theworst  trendsin new ca r s .

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p rop oga ndi s t 
H yundai and Ge n e sisha ve been  do ing thi s w ith  th eir  v ehicles.They off er  a  3 
y ear  comp l imetaryco nne ct edservi c e prog ram,whic hin c lud es term s  t h a t al lo wmini ngof  cartele m etr y and G PS data,whi c h is  t he n soldto data broke rVeriRisk,wh o r esells t o insura nce and other industry. 
All th isonlyscre ws the dr ive r over  an d  mostpeople  simp ly  do n ot kn o w  t his 
i s happenin g . 

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selec ts-veri sk-fo r -usage- based-ins urance-30 06 3093 8 . htm l)

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rayhend ricks
Thi s  is b u ll shitand  is de si gne d toenable Ama zon t o allo wToyota  andit s
insura nce “partners” to extra ct mor e mon eyout of th e a v era ge Americ an d river.

Re mem ber  howKro g er/Sa fewa y /f rie n ds st arte d  their lo y al typ r og rams? Justg i v e
u s you r p u rchase  dat a
 car,_and it_might actually help defending
myself_if I_have_an accident_and_I think that_I'm not guilty.

~~~
abawany
I_believe these have existed_in vehicles for_quite_a while and have been used
as evidence for/against the driver. According to [1], 85%_of_all vehicles_in
2010_were_expected to already have these_things installed.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder)

~~~
zepearl
Thank you, until now_I was_totally unaware of such systems.

But good to have_things_stored locally than_to have them uploaded anywhere to
then be used for_some analysis (puah, probably a point_to be discussed).

Personally_I'm_OK_if used for&against the_driver (from a technical
perspective, not as_souce of abolute truth) if the_duration of the recordings
are short.

~~~
abawany
In a defensive_driving course I took in the_prior decade, the instructor
informed us_that these_collect data in a rolling_5 minute window_until an
adverse_event occurs.

------
tobyhinloopen
This and_the DLC are the worst trends_in new cars.

------
propogandist
Hyundai_and Genesis have been doing this_with_their vehicles. They_offer_a_3
year complimetary_connected service program,_which_includes terms_that_allow
mining of car telemetry and GPS_data,_which is then sold to data broker
VeriRisk,_who resells to insurance_and_other industry.

All this only_screws the driver over and_most people simply do not know_this
is happening.

[https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-motor-
ameri...](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-motor-america-
selects-verisk-for-usage-based-insurance-300630938.html)

------
rayhendricks
This_is bullshit_and is designed to enable Amazon to allow Toyota and its
insurance_“partners” to extract more money out_of the average American_driver.

Remember how_Kroger/Safeway/friends_started their loyalty_programs?_Just give
us_your purchase data