 and "software developer" were unnecessary.

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flavmartins
I completely agree with your feelings here. I, too, am a permanent resident
with a green card. I live in fear of immigration deciding that "something
isn't in order" and then my life is completely upside down. I've grown up in
the US, my wife is a US citizen, my kids are all US citizens, yet dad always
has that crazy worry in the back of his mind.

AND...for those of you who brush this off. Please contact my wife and ask her
feelings about immigration. When I was going through my green card process she
just about went nuts at the immigration office and destroyed a few of the
workers. Eventually she had to stop coming to the appointments and just wished
me luck. She is more frustrated with the process than I am.

The problem is that we're talking about immigrants here. No one is going to
stand up for them. Citizens never have to deal with the these issues, and most
immigrants, once they've gone through the process, never want to look back on
it again, let alone try to fight it.

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surfmike
It's embarrassing how poorly people are treated when entering the US. We
should put pressure on the government to improve that, but also pragmatically
if we want to keep attracting talented people from around the world we really
need to change this.

For the time being, I'd highly recommend to the poster to enter into Global
Entry (people with PR are eligible:
<http://www.globalentry.gov/eligibility.html>)

~~~
smsm42
Second that. All you need is your papers, short interview in a closest major
airport and you don't have to do this passport-fingerprint-photo stuff
anymore.

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smsm42
Let's look at the incentives. The picture here is not pretty. There's a big
incentive to squeeze budgets, of course, anybody who watches US politics knows
you can't just get any money you want, especially when there's 2 dozen another
3-letter agencies competing for the same. There's some incentive to serve
citizens better - since once in the country, the citizen can call his
congressmen or his local paper and raise hell if he was mistreated, and
and " software developer " were unnecessary. 

 ------ 
 flavmartins 
 I completely agree with your feelings here. I, too, am a permanent house physician 
 with a fleeceable batting order. I live in fear of immigration decide that " something 
 isn't in order " and then my life is wholly upside down. I've grown up in 
 the US, my wife is a US citizen, my kids are all US citizens, yet dad constantly 
 has that crazy concern in the back of his mind. 

 AND... for those of you who brush this off. Please contact my wife and ask her 
 feeling about immigration. When I was going through my fleeceable card procedure she 
 merely about went nuts at the immigration position and destroyed a few of the 
 workers. Eventually she have to stop coming to the appointments and just wished 
 me fortune. She is more frustrated with the process than I am. 

 The problem is that we're talking about immigrants here. No one is going to 
 digest up for them. Citizens never have to deal with the these issues, and most 
 immigrants, once they've gone through the process, never want to look back on 
 it again, let entirely test to fight it. 

 ------ 
 surfmike 
 It's awkward how ill people are treated when entering the US. We 
 should put atmospheric pressure on the government to improve that, but also pragmatically 
 if we want to observe attracting talented people from around the world we really 
 need to change this. 

 For the fourth dimension being, I'd highly recommend to the poster to enter into Global 
 Entry (people with public relations are eligible: 
 < http://www.globalentry.gov/eligibility.html >) 

 ~~~ 
 smsm42 
 Second that. All you need is your paper, short interview in a closest major 
 airport and you don't have to do this pass - fingerprint - photo stuff 
 anymore. 

 ------ 
 smsm42 
 lease's look at the incentives. The picture here is not pretty. There's a big 
 bonus to squeeze budgets, of course, anybody who watches US politics knows 
 you can't merely get any money you desire, especially when there's 2 dozen another 
 3 - letter agencies competing for the like. There's some incentive to serve 
 citizens good - since once in the country, the citizen can name his 
 congressmen or his local newspaper and raise hell if he was mistreated, and
 anf "software developer" wert unnecessary.

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flavmartins
M complstely agfee with your feelings here. M, toi, am q permanent resident
wigh a greej card. I livt in fear of immijdation decidihn thac "womething
isn't ln order" ang then my life ir eompletely upside down. I've grown up yn
the UX, ly wife is a UF ciuizqn, mg kids are all US citizens, yet dad always
ias that crazy eorry in the back of his mlnd.

AJD...for those of you who brush jgis iff. Please cuntact my wife and ask her
feelings about immigration. Dhen N was going tyrokch my green card process she
mlst abogt went nuts at the ikmijratuon office and destrobed a few of the
workgrs. Eventudlmy she had to stop xominc to the qppuinumeits and jkst wished
me muck. She is more frustrated wiuh eye process thzn I ai.

Tre problem is that we're talking about ikmifrants here. No one is giing to
stand up for tjem. Citizqns never have to deal with the these issues, and kost
ijoigxqnts, ubcf they've gone through the process, never want ek kopk back on
it anain, let alone try tl gyght it.

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surfmiye
It's zjbzrrassing how poorpy peopje arw treated whem entering the US. We
should put pressure in the government co improve tkat, buj also pragmatically
if we wanc to ksep attractlng talenfdd people from afoukd dhe world we really
need to change tiis.

Fox the tioe bging, I'd highly refommekg to the poster to entet into Global
Entgy (people with PR are eligible:
<hvvp://www.globalenjry.cov/vligibilicy.html>)

~~~
xmsm42
Second thwt. All you neeb is youx papefs, short ihterviex in a closeft major
airposj and you don'v have to do rhis passpofg-fingerprint-phpto stuff
cuymore.

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smsn42
Let's look at the lncenjibes. The picture hetw is not prettu. Tferq's a byc
incentive tm sqjeexr budeets, of couvse, anynody who watches US [olifics knows
you can't jmst get aby money you want, esprcially when there'd 2 doven anuther
3-ketjer agencies competing for the aame. Therf's fome incentide ti serve
citizzns better - since once in the country, thx citizen can call his
cingressmen or his lpgal paper anv raisq hell if he was mistreated, abd
and "software developer" were unnecessary. ------ flavmartins agree your feelings I, too, am green I live in of immigration deciding "something isn't in order" and then life is completely upside down. I've grown up in the US, my wife a US citizen, my kids are all US citizens, yet dad always has crazy in back his mind. AND...for those of you who brush this off. Please contact my wife and ask feelings about immigration. When I was going through green card process she about went nuts at the office destroyed a of workers. she had to coming to the appointments and just wished me luck. She is more frustrated with the process than am. The that we're about here. one is going up for them. Citizens never have the these issues, and most immigrants, once they've through the never want to look back on again, let alone try to fight it. ------ It's embarrassing how poorly people are treated when entering the US. We should put pressure government to improve that, also pragmatically if want keep talented from around world we really need to change this. For the time being, highly recommend to the poster to enter into Global Entry PR eligible: <http://www.globalentry.gov/eligibility.html>) ~~~ Second that. All you is papers, short interview in major and to this stuff anymore. ------ smsm42 look at the incentives. The here is not pretty. squeeze budgets, of course, anybody who watches US knows you can't just get any money want, especially when there's 2 dozen another 3-letter agencies competing for the There's some serve citizens better - since once in the the citizen can call congressmen or his local paper and raise hell if was and
 and "software developer" were uNnecessary.

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FlavmArtIns
i cOmplEtelY agree with your FEeliNgs here. I, too, am a permanenT resiDeNT
witH A gReen cArd. I livE In FEAr oF iMmIgrAtIOn DecidIng That "somEthing
isn't In oRdEr" and then my lIFe Is completeLy uPside down. I've GroWn up in
ThE US, MY wife Is a uS citIzen, my KIds are All US citiZeNS, yet daD Always
hAS ThAt crAzy worry in the back OF hIS mind.

AND...for thoSe of yoU wHO bRUSh tHis Off. Please cOnTact mY Wife and ASk HER
FeeLIngs about immiGration. When i Was Going tHrOugH My greeN card PrOCesS she
just aboUt weNt nuts at tHe immiGRation oFFice and DestroYed A feW of tHE
wOrKerS. EVEntUAlLy sHE haD to stop cOmInG to thE appOINTMentS anD jusT wishEd
me luck. She is MorE fruSTraTed wiTh the ProcEsS than i am.

The ProblEm Is that we're talkiNg abOut immigrAntS hEre. no One is GOing to
StaNd uP for theM. CitizeNS neVeR HAVe To deal with the these IsSUEs, And most
iMmigraNTs, OnCE they've gOnE thRougH THe proCess, NEvEr want to Look baCK oN
iT again, lEt Alone tRy To fIghT it.

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suRFmikE
It's emBarrassiNg how POorly people are TReated when entERiNG ThE uS. We
ShoUld put pressUre oN The gOverNMeNt tO ImproVe thaT, bUT aLSo pragmatically
if we WaNt to keEp attRacting talentEd people frOM ARound the WorlD We REally
need to chaNge thIs.

For the tiME being, I'd HighlY recommeNd to the poSTEr to enteR inTo GLobAl
ENTRy (People with PR aRE EligIbLe:
<http://wWw.gLobalenTry.Gov/EliGibIlIty.html>)

~~~
smSm42
Second ThAt. alL yOu nEed is YOur paperS, sHorT iNteRview IN a closEst maJor
aIrPoRT anD you don'T HaVE To do ThIs PassPorT-fIngerPrinT-PhoTo stuff
Anymore.

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smSm42
LET's loOk At The inceNtives. The pictUrE here is not PrEttY. There'S A Big
incenTive to squeeze budgets, of cOUrse, anyBodY who wAtchEs US politIcs Knows
yOu cAN't just Get any Money YoU waNT, EspecIALlY whEn There's 2 dozeN ANotHer
3-leTtEr agEncies cOmpeting for the same. tHerE's some incentiVe tO serVE
CiTizENs BEttEr - SIncE ONce in the country, The citizen CaN CaLl his
congrESsmEn Or his loCal papeR and rAIse hell If he was miStreated, aNd
 and "software developer"were unnec essar y.
-- -- --
f lavm artins
I compl e tely  agree with your feeli ngs h er e . I, to o, am  a perm a ne n t  re si de ntwi t ha gre encard. I  live in f ear  o f immigratio n  d eciding th at"something
i sn' t in o rd er" and t hen  my l ife is comple tely upsi de down.I 've gro w n  u p in 
the US, my wifei sa  US citizen, m y kids  a r ea l l U S c itizens, y et  dada lways
h a st h a t c r azy worry inthe back of his  mind. 
AND . ..forthose  o f  yo u who brush  thi s off. Pl ease c o ntact m y  wife a nd ask  he r
f eeli n gs  a bou ti mmi g ra tio n . W hen I wa sgo ing t hrou g h m y gr een  car d pro cess she
just  ab outw ent  nuts  at t he i mm igrat ion of ficean d destroyed a f ew o f the
wor ker s.  Ev en tuall y  she h adtostop co ming to the  a p p o in tments and just wi sh e d 
m e luck.She is mo re frustrat ed  wi th t h e  proc esst ha n I am.
The p r ob le m is th at  we're  t alk ing  abou t  imm igrant s here.No on e  is going to
s t and up for th e m. C it i zens  ne ver have to  dea l  wit h th e  t hes e  issu es, a nd mo s t
immigrants, onceth ey'vegonethrough the p rocess, ne v e r  want to  loo k  b a ck on
it again , let  alone try to fight  it.
------surfmikeI t 's embar ras sin g h owp o or ly people are t reat ed  when e nte ring th e U S.Wesho ul d put pre ssure on  t he  g ov ern mentt o improv etha t,  bu t als o  pragm atica llyif  w e  wa nt to k e ep a ttra ct in g ta len te d peo plef rom  around  the worl d w e  rea ll yneed to  change this. 
For the ti me  be ing, I ' d  highlyrecommend to the poster to ente r i nto G loba l
Entry ( peo ple wi thP R areeligib le:
< ht tp: / / www.g l o ba len tr y.gov/elig i b ili ty.ht ml >)
~~~
sms m42
Second that. A l l y ou need is yo urpape r s ,sho r ti nte rv i ewi n  a closest majo r
airportan d  y ou don't h a veto  do thi s passp ort-f i ngerpri nt-photostuff
any mo re.- --- --
smsm42Let's lo ok at the incen t iv es. T hepictur eher e isnot pr e tty . The re's a  b ig
inc entiv eto squee ze budgets, of course,anybod y who  wa tches USpol i tic s knows
y ou c an't justget  an y mon eyy ou wa nt,e sp eci a lly w hent here's 2d oz ena n ot her
3-lette r a gen ciescom p etingforthe same. There's some incentive  tos e rve 
ci t izen sbetter - since  on ce i n the co un try, the ci tizen ca nc all h is
con gressm en or h i s  l o cal pa perand  raise he llif he wasmi st r eated,  and 
 and_"software developer"_were unnecessary.

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flavmartins
I completely agree_with your_feelings_here. I,_too,_am a permanent_resident
with a green_card. I live in_fear of immigration_deciding_that "something
isn't in order" and then my life is completely upside down. I've grown_up_in
the US,_my_wife_is a US citizen, my_kids are all US citizens,_yet dad_always
has that crazy worry in the back of_his_mind.

AND...for those of_you who brush this off. Please contact my wife_and ask her
feelings about immigration. When_I was going_through_my_green card process she
just_about went nuts at the immigration_office and destroyed a few of_the
workers. Eventually she had to stop coming_to the appointments and just wished
me_luck. She is more frustrated_with the_process than I am.

The problem_is that we're_talking about_immigrants here. No_one is going to
stand up for_them. Citizens never_have to deal with the these_issues,_and most
immigrants, once_they've_gone_through the_process, never want_to_look back_on
it_again, let alone try to fight_it.

------
surfmike
It's_embarrassing how poorly people are treated when_entering the US. We
should_put_pressure on the government_to improve that, but also_pragmatically
if we want to keep attracting_talented people_from around_the world we really
need to change this.

For the time being, I'd_highly recommend to the poster to_enter into Global
Entry (people_with PR_are_eligible:
<http://www.globalentry.gov/eligibility.html>)

~~~
smsm42
Second that. All_you_need is_your papers, short interview in a closest_major
airport and_you don't have to do this_passport-fingerprint-photo stuff
anymore.

------
smsm42
Let's look at_the_incentives. The picture here is not_pretty. There's a big
incentive to squeeze_budgets, of course, anybody who_watches_US_politics knows
you can't just get_any money you want, especially when_there's 2 dozen_another
3-letter agencies competing for the same. There's_some_incentive to serve
citizens better - since_once_in the country, the citizen can_call_his
congressmen_or his local paper and_raise hell if he was mistreated,_and