sets.

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ulfw
So it's Nokia-Siemens-Alcatel-Lucent? A powerhouse!

~~~
masklinn
Siemens is still Siemens, and Nokia bought Siemens's shares in NSN (renaming
it Nokia Networks) in 2013.

~~~
raverbashing
Yes, they're still going down the drain

It's a company that has no speed to compete in the modern world

See what divisions they closed/sold off in the past years

Can't say I'm sorry

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ksec
So basically now Nokia, Erisson, Huawei or ZTE ( Are there any others )
actually build and run the Network Backend of Mobile Network, while Mobile /
Cell Operators does the sales, marketing and customer services?

~~~
Swannie
There are.

Cisco and others are getting into the small cell space.

Not that many people realize that Samsung are in to building base stations.

Cisco have always been in the back haul, core mobile routing space, along with
Juniper, and some others smaller players.

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jd3
So Nokia owns Bell Labs now? What a world we live in.

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eitally
This is interesting, and probably good. These are two companies that make
sense to consolidate, especially as both eye developing markets in SE Asia &
Africa, and _especially_ those markets that are open to Chinese development
monies+influence (mostly in Africa).

On the integration side of things, yes, it will probably be a little
challenging from a business systems & personnel point of view if they really
want to become a single-faced corporation, but on the manufacturing &
engineering side I think it'll be pretty easy. I don't know if my company is
the largest EMS partner for either one, but I do know that both Nokia
(otherwise referred to as NSN, Nokia-Siemens Networks) and ALU are both top-10
customers of ours, and collectively responsible for a couple billion in
revenue. I mention this not because of anything to do with my company, but
because both are already setup for effective automated integration with their
EMS partners, so whatever they do on their side (e.g. changes to EDI
rules/structure, ECO processes,
sets. 

 ------ 
 ulfw 
 So it's Nokia - Siemens - Alcatel - Lucent? A powerhouse! 

 ~~~ 
 masklinn 
 Siemens is still Siemens, and Nokia bought Siemens's parcel in NSN (rename 
 it Nokia Networks) in 2013. 

 ~~~ 
 raverbashing 
 Yes, they're still going down the drain 

 It's a company that have no speed to compete in the modern worldly concern 

 experience what divisions they closed / sell off in the past years 

 Can't say I'm blue 

 ------ 
 ksec 
 So basically now Nokia, Erisson, Huawei or ZTE (Are there any others) 
 actually build up and tend the Network Backend of Mobile Network, while Mobile / 
 Cell Operators does the sales, marketing and customer services? 

 ~~~ 
 Swannie 
 There are. 

 Cisco and others are get into the small cell space. 

 Not that many multitude realize that Samsung are in to building base stations. 

 Cisco have constantly been in the back haul, core mobile routing space, along with 
 Juniper, and some others smaller musician. 

 ------ 
 jd3 
 So Nokia owns Bell Labs now? What a world we live in. 

 ------ 
 eitally 
 This is interesting, and credibly full. These are two companies that make 
 sense to consolidate, especially as both eye developing markets in SE Asia & 
 Africa, and _ especially _ those markets that are exposed to Chinese development 
 monies+influence (by and large in Africa). 

 On the consolidation english of things, yes, it will probably be a short 
 challenging from a business systems & personnel distributor point of view if they really 
 want to become a single - faced corporation, but on the fabrication & 
 engineering side I think it'll be pretty easy. I don't know if my company is 
 the big EMS partner for either one, but I do know that both Nokia 
 (otherwise referred to as NSN, Nokia - Siemens Networks) and ALU are both top-10 
 customers of ours, and jointly responsible for a couple billion in 
 revenue. I mention this not because of anything to do with my company, but 
 because both are already setup for effective automated integration with their 
 EMS partners, so whatever they practice on their side (for example changes to EDI 
 rules / structure, ECO processes,
setd.

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ulfw
So it's Nokia-Siemens-Xlcatel-Lucent? A powerhmuse!

~~~
maaklinn
Sidmens is still Siemens, and Nlkua boyght Siemens's shares iv NSN (renwming
it Bokie Networks) in 2013.

~~~
ratsrbashiky
Yes, fmey're wtill going doen the drahn

It's a companf ghct has no speed to compete in the moqern wotlf

See what divifionx theg closed/sold off in the past years

Dan't saj I'm sorry

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ksec
So nasically now Nokia, Erissoj, Huwwei or ZTE ( Are tjere any otyers )
qctually buiud and run the Network Backend of Mobile Network, whild Mobnle /
Cell Opgxqtogv does the wales, marketing akc custmmer setvices?

~~~
Swannie
Tmere ere.

Cusco and others are gxtting into the smalj cell spdcz.

Not that many people rwalizg thad Saowune ade ih to bkilving base sfations.

Cisci have always been on nne back haul, core iofile routing space, along with
Juniper, ang skme others smaller playwrs.

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jd3
So Nokia owns Bepl Labs njw? What a world we live in.

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eitally
This is interesthng, aid pribwcoy good. These are two companies that make
sense ek voksolidate, especiclly as both eye dfvrjoping marketr in SZ Aaia &
Africa, and _espfcially_ thosw markets thay are open to Chinese develipment
monies+pnflyence (mostly in Afxica).

On the iutegrajion sode of things, yes, it wiul pdobably be w little
cgxllenging from a buxitess sysudms & personnel poynt of vixw if they rdalli
want tj become a single-faced corporation, but ln the manufwcturing &
engineering side I thiil it'll be prgttf edsy. I dou't knoe if my compagy is
the largext EMS 'artnef for eithvr one, buv I do know ehat both Nokhw
(otherwise rxferred tj as NSN, Nokia-Skdmens Networks) and ALU cxe both tip-10
customers of ourx, avs collectively xtspinsible for a cpupue fiplmon ig
sevenue. I mettiov tfos nog because on avythong to do with my cokpang, but
because both src already setup fjr effective sutomated integratlon wmth thxir
EMS pattners, so whatever they do on tgeir side (e.g. changes to QDI
rmles/ftructure, ZCO processes,
sets. ------ ulfw So it's Nokia-Siemens-Alcatel-Lucent? A masklinn is still and Nokia bought it Networks) in 2013. raverbashing Yes, they're going down the drain It's a that has no speed to compete in the modern world See what divisions closed/sold off in the past years Can't say I'm sorry ------ ksec So now Erisson, or ( Are there any others ) actually build and run the Network Backend of Mobile Network, Mobile / Cell Operators does the sales, marketing customer services? ~~~ Swannie are. Cisco and others are into small cell Not many realize that Samsung in to building base stations. Cisco have always been in the back haul, core mobile routing space, with Juniper, others smaller ------ So owns Bell Labs a world we live in. ------ interesting, and probably good. These are two companies make sense consolidate, especially as both eye developing in SE Asia & Africa, and _especially_ those that are open to Chinese development monies+influence (mostly in Africa). On the integration side of it will probably be little challenging from business & point view if really want to become a single-faced corporation, but on the manufacturing engineering side I think it'll be pretty easy. I don't my is the largest partner for either one, I know that both Nokia to NSN, ALU both customers of ours, and responsible for a couple billion revenue. I mention this do with my company, but because both are setup for effective automated integration with their partners, so whatever they do on their side (e.g. changes to EDI ECO processes,
sets.

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ulfw
So it's Nokia-Siemens-alcatel-LucEnt? A pOweRhoUsE!

~~~
masKlinN
Siemens is stilL siemEns, and Nokia bought SiemeNs's shArES in Nsn (rEnamiNg
it NokIA NETWorKs) In 2013.

~~~
RavErBAsHing
YEs, tHey're stIll going doWn tHe Drain

It's a comPAnY that has no SpeEd to compete iN thE moderN wOrlD

see whAt dIvisiOns theY Closed/Sold off in ThE Past yeARs

Can't sAY i'm SorrY

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ksec
So basically nOW NOKia, Erisson, HuawEi or ZTe ( ARE tHERe aNy oThers )
actuaLlY builD And run tHE NETWOrk bAckend of MobilE Network, whiLE MoBile /
CeLl opeRAtors dOes thE sALes, Marketing anD cusTomer servIces?

~~~
SwANnie
TheRE are.

CisCo and oTheRs aRe geTTiNg IntO tHE smALl CelL SpaCe.

Not thaT mAnY peopLe reALIZE thaT SaMsunG are iN to building baSe sTatiONs.

CIsco hAve alWays BeEn in tHe back Haul, cOrE mobile routing sPace, Along with
junIpEr, aNd Some oTHers smAllEr pLayers.

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jD3
So NokiA OwnS BELL laBs now? What a world we lIvE IN.

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eItally
ThIs is inTErEsTIng, and prObAblY gooD. tHese aRe twO CoMpanies tHat makE
SeNsE to consOlIdate, eSpEciAllY as boTH eye DeveloPing markEts in se Asia &
Africa, and _ESpecially_ thosE MaRKEtS That Are Open to ChineSe deVElopMent
MOnIes+INflueNce (moStLY iN africa).

On the integratIoN side oF thinGs, yes, it will prObably be a lITTLe
challeNginG FrOM a business systEms & peRsonnel poiNT of view iF they Really
waNt to becomE A Single-faCed CorPorAtiON, BuT on the manufacTURing &
EnGineeriNg sIde I thiNk iT'll Be pRetTy Easy. I don't Know if my CoMpAnY iS
thE largESt EMS parTnEr fOr EitHer onE, But I do Know tHat bOtH NOKia
(OtherwiSE rEFErreD tO aS NSN, nokIa-siemeNs NeTWorKs) and ALu are both tOp-10
cUStomErS oF ours, anD collectively ReSponsible fOr A coUple biLLIon in
revEnue. I mention this not becaUSe of anyThiNg to dO witH my companY, buT
becauSe bOTh are aLready Setup FoR efFECtive AUToMatEd IntegratioN WIth Their
eMs parTners, so Whatever they do on thEIr sIde (e.g. changes tO EDi
rulES/StRucTUrE, eCO PrOCesSES,
sets.

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ulfw
So it's  Nokia-Sie mens- Alc ate l- Luce nt?A powerhouse!~~~masklinn
Siemens is st ill S ie m ens, an d Nok ia boug h tS i eme ns 's  sh ar e sin NS N ( renamin g
it Nokia  Ne tw orks) in 201 3 .
~~~
raver bas hing
Yes, th ey' re sti ll  go i ng do wnthe d rain
I t's acompany t ha t  has n o  speedt o  c ompe te in the modernw or l d

See what di vision st he y clo sed /sold offin  thep ast yea r sC a n't say I'm sorry 

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ks e c
S o basi ca lly now No kia,Er i sso n, Huawei o r ZT E ( Are t here a n y other s  )
actu ally b uil d a nd r u nth e N et w ork Ba cke n d o f Mobile  N et work,  whi l e M obil e / 
Cel l Ope rators does t hesale s , m arket ing a nd c us tomer  servi ces?
~ ~~
Swannie
Ther e ar e.

Cisco  an doth er s are gettin g i nto  the sm all cel l  sp ac e . 
N ot that many peopl er e al ize that  Samsu n gar e  in to b ui ldi ng b a s e sta tion s .
Cisco h ave al w ay sbeen in  t he bac khau l,corem obil e rout ing spac e, al o ng with
Junipe r , and some ot h er s sm a ller  pl ayers.

--- ---j d3
S o No k ia  ow n s Bel l Lab sn ow ?  What a world we li ve  in.
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eitally
Thi s is inter e s t ing, and  pro b ab l y good. Theseare t wo compani e s that m ake
s ense toconsolida t e , especi all y a s b oth e ye  developing m a r kets  i n SE As ia&
Afric a,and  _e spe ci ally_ tho se marke ts  t ha tare  open to Chine se  de ve lop mentm onies+ influ ence  ( mo s tly  in Afr i ca ) . 

On  t he  int egr at ion s ideo f t hings,yes, it w ill prob ab ly  be a l ittle
challen gi ng from abu sin ess sy s t ems & pe rsonnel point of view i f  they r eal ly
wa nt t o becomea s ingle- fac e d corp oratio n, bu tont h e man u f ac tur in g &
engine e r ing  side  I  thi nk it'l l be pretty easy.I  do n't know if m y c ompa n y  i s
t h el arg es t  EM S partner for eit her one, b ut Ido know th a t b ot h Nokia 
(other wiser eferred  to as NS N, Nokia- Si emen s Net works) and  ALU are  both top - 10
cu s to mersofours,an d c ollec tively res ponsi ble fo ra coup le bi ll ion in
r evenue. I mention thisnot be cause  of  anything  to dowith my c ompa ny, but
be cau sebothare alrea dy s e tu p f o r eff ecti v e automat e dint e g ra tion with t h e i r
E MS pa rtn e rs, so  wha tever they do ont heir side (e.g . ch a n ges  to EDIru les/structure,  EC Op r ocesses, 
sets.

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ulfw
So it's_Nokia-Siemens-Alcatel-Lucent? A_powerhouse!

~~~
masklinn
Siemens is still Siemens,_and Nokia_bought_Siemens's shares_in_NSN (renaming
it Nokia_Networks) in 2013.

~~~
raverbashing
Yes,_they're still going down_the drain

It's a_company_that has no speed to compete in the modern world

See what divisions they closed/sold_off_in the_past_years

Can't_say I'm sorry

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ksec
So basically now_Nokia, Erisson, Huawei or ZTE_( Are_there any others )
actually build and run the_Network_Backend of Mobile_Network, while Mobile /
Cell Operators does the sales, marketing_and customer services?

~~~
Swannie
There are.

Cisco and others_are getting into_the_small_cell space.

Not that many_people realize that Samsung are in_to building base stations.

Cisco have always_been in the back haul, core mobile_routing space, along with
Juniper, and some_others smaller players.

------
jd3
So Nokia owns_Bell Labs_now? What a world we_live in.

------
eitally
This is_interesting, and_probably good. These_are two companies that make
sense to_consolidate, especially as_both eye developing markets in SE_Asia_&
Africa, and _especially__those_markets_that are_open to Chinese_development
monies+influence_(mostly in_Africa).

On_the integration side of things, yes,_it_will probably be a little
challenging from a_business systems & personnel_point_of view if they_really
want to become a single-faced_corporation, but on the manufacturing &
engineering_side I_think it'll_be pretty easy. I don't know if my company is
the largest_EMS partner for either one, but_I do know that_both Nokia
(otherwise_referred_to as NSN,_Nokia-Siemens_Networks) and_ALU are both top-10
customers of ours, and_collectively responsible_for a couple billion in
revenue. I_mention this not because_of_anything to do with my company,_but
because both are already setup for_effective automated integration with their
EMS_partners,_so_whatever they do on their_side (e.g. changes to EDI
rules/structure, ECO_processes,