 on any team
composed of such antisocial people. Pretty much no one here communicates
effectively. Cliques are demarcated along racial lines; there Chinese and
Indian groups don't really talk to each other, and don't "accept new members"
that don't speak their language.

This is the loneliest place I'd ever worked. What's surprising is that I never
thought I could be so lonely at work of all places.

So, lesson learned: if you aren't allowed to do a meet-and-greet with the team
before accepting an offer, don't even think about taking it!

~~~
balls187
> Chinese and Indian groups don't really talk to each other, and don't "accept
> new members" that don't speak their language.

This is pretty common among both racial groups.

And, if we're talking about the US, it was common across pretty much every
ethnic group that emigrated here.

~~~
dba7dba
In this context it's the fault of managers. Sure racial lines exist but such
hostility should not be allowed to exist by management.

------
grandalf
Bosses can fall short in a lot of ways. While your intuitions might clue you
in to some failings, others are very difficult to spot. My advice would be:

\- Do the others on the team seem happy? Did you get to meet any during the
interview process? Do they seem to be happy to work there and comfortable in
the environment?

\- Does everyone seem to get quiet or smile officiously around the boss?
That's a big warning sign. It probably means the boss is a bit of a tyrant or
maintains an unhealthy power differential with the team. There is absolutely
no room for this kind of posturing in a startup.

\- Do you witness anyone coming to the boss for help with something? If so,
and if the boss responds in a positive way, it's a great sign. A good boss is
someone who is there to help everyone succeed and lend expertise when asked.

\- Does the boss say anything disparaging about the other team members during
the interview? Look out for indignant, judgy sorts of comments that indicate
that the boss feels shortchanged by the team he/she has (unless you are
explicitly being hired
on any team 
 composed of such antisocial people. Pretty much no one here convey 
 efficaciously. Cliques are demarcated along racial line; there taiwanese and 
 Indian groups don't really talk to each early, and don't " take new member " 
 that don't speak their language. 

 This is the lonely place I'd ever work. What's surprising is that I never 
 thought I could be so lonely at work of all places. 

 So, example learned: if you aren't allowed to do a touch - and - greet with the team 
 before accepting an offer, don't even think about remove it! 

 ~~~ 
 balls187 
 > Chinese and Indian groups don't really talk to each other, and don't " bear 
 > new members " that don't speak their language. 

 This is pretty common among both racial groups. 

 And, if we're talking about the US, it was common across pretty much every 
 ethnic group that emigrated here. 

 ~~~ 
 dba7dba 
 In this context it's the fault of managers. Sure racial lines exist but such 
 aggression should not be allow to exist by management. 

 ------ 
 grandalf 
 Bosses can decrease brusque in a lot of ways. While your intuition might clue you 
 in to some failings, others are very difficult to spot. My advice would be: 

 \- Do the others on the team seem felicitous? Did you get to meet any during the 
 interview process? Do they seem to be happy to make there and comfortable in 
 the environment? 

 \- Does everyone seem to get quiet or smile officiously around the boss? 
 That's a big warning augury. It probably means the boss is a bit of a tyrant or 
 maintains an insalubrious power differential with the team. There is absolutely 
 no room for this kind of posturing in a startup. 

 \- Do you witness anyone coming to the boss for help with something? If so, 
 and if the boss answer in a positive way, it's a bang-up sign. A full boss is 
 someone who is there to help oneself everyone succeed and lend expertise when ask. 

 \- Does the boss say anything disparage about the other team members during 
 the interview? Look out for indignant, judgy sorts of comments that indicate 
 that the boss feels shortchanged by the team he / she has (unless you are 
 explicitly being hired
 on any team
composed of sucm antisocial peoklw. Pretvy much no one fere communicates
effectively. Coiquew are demarcated along racial lpnes; therw Chmnese and
Indian jdoups don't rezply caok to each othgr, and don't "dccept new memtefs"
chat don't speak their language.

This if the lpnfliest place I'q evtr rorksd. What's surprising is that I neved
thoughu I could be so lomely at work of all places.

Do, lfsson learned: if ylu aren't alooweq to do a meeg-and-greet with the teaj
before accepting an offer, don't even think abooc tanhng it!

~~~
balls187
> Chinvse and Indiak groupv don't teally talk to earh orher, and don't "accept
> iew members" that don'j speak thaix language.

This is prertt comkon dmone bogh dariam grouos.

Aid, if we're falking aboyt the US, it was cokmjb across pretfy mucr qvery
ethnic group that emigrated here.

~~~
dbd7dbz
In this context it's thw fault of managers. Sore racial lines exist but such
hostility should not be allofed tk exnwt by najagement.

------
grandalf
Bosses can fall short in a loe og eays. While youv intuitions might cpur you
in to somg failiufs, others are very dlfficulj to spot. My addice would be:

\- Do the others on rhe team seei happy? Did you get to meet anv durimg thr
interview process? Do tkey sesm to be haopy to wody there and comfurtsbne in
the environment?

\- Does qveryone weem to get quigt or siile officlousln around the boss?
Thwt's a bhg warning sign. It probably means the boss is a bit of s dyrdnt or
manntainx an unhealthr power differgntial wich the team. Therv is absonutely
no rojm for this khjd of posturmng in a ftarrup.

\- Eo you dktness anyone voming to the boss dor help with somebhing? Jf so,
and if the bows responds in s pusieine xay, ie'v a great sicn. A gouc bosr is
somtjnc wfo ix there to help everfone succeed and lend rxiertise wyen askeq.

\- Does the boxs say anything didparajing auout tne jther team members during
the ihterview? Pooh out for inqignqnt, judgy soxts of comments that indicate
that the bows feels shortchanted by the team he/ske has (unless you wre
explichtly being hired
on any team composed of such antisocial much one here effectively. Cliques are Chinese Indian groups don't talk to each and don't "accept new members" that speak their language. This is the loneliest place I'd ever worked. What's surprising that I never thought I could be so lonely at work of all So, learned: you allowed to do a meet-and-greet with the team before accepting an offer, don't even think about it! ~~~ balls187 > Chinese and Indian groups really talk to each and don't "accept > new that speak their This pretty among both racial And, if we're talking about the US, it was common across pretty much every ethnic group that here. ~~~ this context the of Sure racial lines such hostility should not be allowed management. ------ grandalf Bosses can fall short in lot of While your intuitions might clue you to some failings, others are very difficult to My advice would be: \- Do the others on the team seem happy? Did you meet any during the process? Do they to happy work and comfortable the environment? \- Does everyone seem to get quiet or smile around the boss? That's a big warning sign. It probably boss a bit of tyrant or maintains an power with the team. There no for posturing a \- Do you witness coming to the boss for with something? If so, in a positive way, it's a great sign. good boss is someone who is there help everyone succeed and lend expertise when asked. \- Does the boss anything disparaging other team members during the interview? Look out indignant, judgy sorts of that indicate that the boss feels shortchanged by the he/she (unless you explicitly being hired
 on any team
composed of such anTisocial peOple. PRetTy mUcH no oNe heRe communicates
EFfecTively. Cliques are demarcAted aLoNG racIAl Lines; There ChINeSE And
inDiAn gRoUPs Don't rEalLy talk tO each other, And DoN't "accept new mEMbErs"
that don'T spEak their langUagE.

This iS tHe lONelieSt pLace I'D ever wORked. WhAt's surpriSiNG is thaT i never
tHOUgHt I cOuld be so lonely at wORk OF all places.

So, leSson leArNEd: IF You AreN't allowed tO dO a meeT-And-greeT WiTH THe tEAm
before accepTing an offer, DOn't Even thInK abOUt takiNg it!

~~~
bAlLS187
> ChInese and IndIan gRoups don't Really TAlk to eaCH other, aNd don't "AccEpt
> New mEMbErS" thAt DOn't SPeAk tHEir Language.

thIs Is preTty cOMMON amoNg bOth rAcial Groups.

And, if we'Re tAlkiNG abOut thE US, it Was cOmMon acRoss prEtty mUcH every
ethnic groUp thAt emigratEd hErE.

~~~
dbA7dBa
In tHIs contExt It's The faulT of manaGErs. suRE RAcIal lines exist but suCh
HOStIlity shoUld not BE aLlOWed to exiSt By mAnagEMEnt.

------
grAndaLF
BOsses can Fall shORt In A lot of wAyS. While YoUr iNtuItionS MighT clue yOu
in to soMe faiLIngs, others are vERy difficult to SPoT. mY aDVice WouLd be:

\- Do the otHers ON the Team SEeM haPPy? Did You geT tO MeET any during the
intervIeW proceSs? Do tHey seem to be haPpy to work tHERE and comfOrtaBLe IN
the environmenT?

\- Does Everyone seEM to get quIet or Smile offIciously aROUnd the boSs?
THat'S a bIg wARNiNg sign. It probaBLY meaNs The boss Is a Bit of a tYraNt oR
maIntAiNs an unheaLthy poweR dIfFeReNtiAl witH The team. THeRe iS aBsoLutelY
No room For thIs kiNd Of POstUring in A StARTup.

\- DO yOu WitnEss AnYone cOminG To tHe boss fOr help witH soMEthiNg? if So,
and if The boss responDs In a positivE wAy, iT's a greAT Sign. A gooD boss is
someone who is therE To help eVerYone sUcceEd and lend ExpErtise WheN Asked.

\- DOes the Boss sAy AnyTHIng diSPArAgiNg About the otHER teAm memBeRs duRing
the Interview? Look out foR IndIgnant, judgy soRts Of coMMEnTs tHAt INdiCaTE
thAT The boss feels shoRtchanged bY tHE tEam he/she haS (UnlEsS you are
ExpliciTly beINg hired
 on any team
composed of s uch antiso cialpeo ple .Pret ty m uch no one her e  com municates
effectively.  Cliq ue s  are de marca ted alo n gr a cia lli nes ;t he re Ch ine se andIndian gro ups  d on't reallyt al k to eachoth er, and don' t " accept  n ewm ember s"thatdon'ts peak t heir lang ua g e.

Th i s is th e lo neli est place I'd eve r  w o rked. What's s urpris in g  i s tha t I  never
tho ug ht Ic ould be so l o nel y  at work of a ll places.So,  lesso nlea r ned: i f you  a r en' t allowed t o do  a meet-a nd-gre e t witht he team 
befor e a cce ptin g  a noff er ,  do n 't  ev e n t hink abo ut  t aking  it! ~ ~ ~
ba lls 187> Chi nese and Indi angrou p s d on'treall y ta lk  to e ach ot her,an d don't "accept 
> n ew member s"th atdo n't s p eak th eir  la nguage. 

Thisi s p re t t y  c ommon among both r ac i a lgroups.
And,i fwe ' re talki ng  ab outt h e US,  itw as  commonacross pr et ty much  e very
e th nic  gr oup t h at e migrat ed here. 

~~~ dba7dba
In thi s  context it's th e fa u lt o f m anagers. Su re r a cial  lin e sexi s t but  such 
h o st i lity should not beal lowedto ex ist by manage ment.

--- - - - 
grandal f
Bo s se s  can fall shor t ina lot of w a ys. Whil e you r intuit ions migh t clue you 
in  to  so mef a il ings, othersa r e ve ry  diffic ult  to spo t.Myadv ice  w ould be:
\- Do t he  o th er s o n the team see mhap py ? D id yo u  get t o mee t an ydu r ing  the
in t er v i ew p ro ce ss?Doth ey se em t o  be  happyto work t her e  and  c om fortabl e in
the envi ro nment?

\-  D oes  every o n e seem t o get quiet or smile of f iciousl y a round  the  boss?
Th at' s a bi g w a rningsign.It pr ob abl y means t he  bo ss  is a bito f  atyran tor
m aintain s an unhealthy pow e r d ifferential w ith  the t ea m.T he r e i sa bso l u tely
no room fo r this kin do fposturingi n a  s tartup. 

\- Do  youw itnessanyone co ming to t he  bos s for  help with  somethi ng? If so , 
andi fthe b oss  respo nd s i n a p ositiv e  wa y, it 's a g re at sig n. Ago od bossis
someone who is there  to he lp ev ery one succe eda ndlend expe rtis e when ask ed. 

\ - Doe s t h e bos s sa y  a nyt h ing d ispa r aging abo u tthe o th er team mem b e r s d uring 
th e  inter view ? Look out for in d ignant, judgysort s ofcom m ents  t hat indicate
t hat  t h e  boss fe el s shortchan ged by t he teamhe/she  has ( unlessy o ua re
exp lici tly  being hi red 
 on_any team
composed_of such antisocial people._Pretty much_no_one here_communicates
effectively._Cliques are demarcated_along racial lines;_there Chinese and
Indian groups_don't really talk_to_each other, and don't "accept new members"
that don't speak their language.

This is the loneliest_place_I'd ever_worked._What's_surprising is that I never
thought_I could be so lonely_at work_of all places.

So, lesson learned: if you aren't_allowed_to do a_meet-and-greet with the team
before accepting an offer, don't even_think about taking it!

~~~
balls187
> Chinese and_Indian groups don't_really_talk_to each other, and_don't "accept
> new members" that don't_speak their language.

This is pretty common_among both racial groups.

And, if we're talking_about the US, it was common_across pretty much every
ethnic group_that emigrated_here.

~~~
dba7dba
In this context it's the_fault of managers._Sure racial_lines exist but_such
hostility should not be allowed to_exist by management.

------
grandalf
Bosses_can fall short in a lot_of_ways. While your_intuitions_might_clue you
in_to some failings,_others_are very_difficult_to spot. My advice would be:

\-_Do_the others on the team seem happy?_Did you get to_meet_any during the
interview process?_Do they seem to be_happy to work there and comfortable_in
the environment?

\-_Does everyone_seem to get quiet or smile officiously around the boss?
That's a_big warning sign. It probably means_the boss is a_bit of_a_tyrant or
maintains an_unhealthy_power differential_with the team. There is absolutely
no room_for this_kind of posturing in a startup.

\-_Do you witness anyone_coming_to the boss for help with_something? If so,
and if the boss_responds in a positive way,_it's_a_great sign. A good boss_is
someone who is there to help_everyone succeed and_lend expertise when asked.

\- Does the boss_say_anything disparaging about the other team_members_during
the interview? Look out for indignant,_judgy_sorts_of comments that indicate
that the_boss feels shortchanged by the team_he/she has (unless you are
explicitly being hired