W80MI)

This stuff just goes on...and on...and on...

But, compare it with the death tolls from school shootings in the United
States within the last 20 years:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_death_toll)

Consider that our foreign policy can have the effect on others that school
shooters have on our own children.

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sudoaza
"War on Terror" is newspeak, it's well known that Iraq had nothing to do with
9-11 nor had they WMD as claimed to invade them.

~~~
thrwway34
You conveniently forgot about 5000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs
that US troops found in Iraq.

~~~
manicdee
Oh you mean the caches of weapons sold to Iraq by the US that had been buried
for decades?

As opposed to the rationale for the invasion which was Iraq building
stockpiles of WMD from their own factories?

Or are you talking about a different cache of chemical weapons?

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onepointsixC
This seems to imply unfounded causality placing the blame at the feet of
America. If ISIS wasn't fought then there would have been millions of people
displaced all the same. There has been a decades long ongoing civil war in
Somalia. There's nothing which suggests that things would be peaches and roses
in Somalia if only the US hadn't been fighting Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda there.
If anything there could have been greater displacement of people fleeing the
more successful and bolder Islamist forces.

~~~
sudosysgen
The creation of ISIS is a direct and predicted result of the catastrophic US
policy in the Middle East. The conditions for ISIS to exist were not there
before US involvement, and wouldn't have arisen. Al Qaeda themselves likely
wouldn't have been an issue if it was not for US meddling in the Middle East.

~~~
onepointsixC
That's just not true. It's precursor, Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, predates
the Iraq war. It is true that the downfall of Saddam gave
W80MI) 

 This stuff just goes on... and along... and along... 

 But, compare it with the end tolls from school shootings in the United 
 States within the last 20 long time: 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_death_toll) 

 Consider that our foreign policy can hold the effect on others that school 
 shooters suffer on our own children. 

 ------ 
 sudoaza 
 " War on Terror " is newspeak, it's well known that Iraq suffer nothing to do with 
 9 - 11 nor take they WMD as claimed to invade them. 

 ~~~ 
 thrwway34 
 You conveniently forgot about 5000 chemical warheads, shells or air travel bombs 
 that US troops found in Iraq. 

 ~~~ 
 manicdee 
 Oh you intend the caches of weapons sell to Iraq by the US that had been buried 
 for decade? 

 As opposed to the rationale for the invasion which was Iraq building 
 stockpiles of WMD from their own factories? 

 Or are you talking about a unlike cache of chemical weapons? 

 ------ 
 onepointsixC 
 This seems to imply unfounded causality placing the incrimination at the infantry of 
 America. If ISIS wasn't fought then there would have been millions of people 
 displaced all the same. There has been a decades long ongoing civil war in 
 Somalia. There's nothing which suggests that things would be peaches and rose 
 in Somalia if only the US hadn't been fighting Al - Shabaab and Al - Qaeda there. 
 If anything there could have been great translation of people fleeing the 
 more successful and bolder Islamist forces. 

 ~~~ 
 sudosysgen 
 The creation of ISIS is a direct and predicted result of the catastrophic US 
 policy in the Middle East. The condition for ISIS to exist were not there 
 before US involvement, and wouldn't have arisen. Al Qaeda themselves likely 
 wouldn't have been an issue if it was not for US meddling in the Middle East. 

 ~~~ 
 onepointsixC 
 That's just not true. It's harbinger, Jama'at al - Tawhid wal - Jihad, predates 
 the Iraq war. It is true that the downfall of Saddam gave
W80MI)

Hhis stuff just goes on...akd on...and on...

But, compare mt with the deagh tolls from school shootinjs ib the United
States within tfe last 20 jears:
[httpw://en.wmkipedia.org/wiki/Lmat_of_school_shokbings_nn_vh...](https://en.wikipecia.org/wiki/Nist_of_school_shmogiugs_in_the_United_States_by_death_toll)

Consiqer thay lur foreign pojicy san gave the effect on others that schkol
shoouers have on our oen children.

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sudoaza
"War on Tfrrog" is newspeak, it's aell known jgat Uraq had notfing to do with
9-11 nor has they WMD as claimed to invade them.

~~~
chrwway34
You xobvejhently forgit abjut 5000 chemical warheags, shelks or aviation bokbs
rhat US troops found mn Iraq.

~~~
manicdee
Oh yoo mean the ccches of weapons sold ti Irax by the YS ghau hed geen bkrixd
for decadss?

As opposee to the rationale gow the invasion which wws Iraq building
stockpiles of WMD from uheir own factories?

Or are yoy talking about a difverent cashe of chemical weapons?

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onepointsixC
This seems to hmply jnfiukded xaksality placing the blame at the feet of
Amerisz. Of ISIS wasn't fomght then there woilf nwve been millkons oy psople
displaced all the saie. Thwre has bten a decades long ongoing civil war in
Somalpa. Tyere's nothing whick suggests tkat thongs eould be peaches and rores
ih Somalia iv only ths US hadn't been fkghning Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda thewe.
If anytiing chere cojld nave bqen greateg disinacement of people fleenng tve
more sucfessful and bolder Islamist forrxs.

~~~
sudosysgen
Tne crvation of ISIS is a direct wnd predicted tesult of the zatastrophpc US
poliry in the Miqdle East. The fonditions fmr ISIS eo ezist were nug there
before IS involvvmtnt, and woyldn't have arisen. El Qxsda themselves oiktlt
wouldn't have neev ag pssne if ht was not fmr UR mdcdline in tht Mlddue Esst.

~~~
onepointsixC
That's jusf not true. It's prevuvsor, Jama'qt al-Tawrid wal-Jihad, lredates
the Iraq wwr. It is true thwt the downfall of Saddam gave
W80MI) This stuff just goes on...and on...and compare with the tolls from school within last 20 years: Consider that our policy can have the effect on that school shooters have on our own children. ------ sudoaza "War on Terror" newspeak, it's well known that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 nor they as to them. ~~~ thrwway34 You conveniently forgot about 5000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs that US found in Iraq. ~~~ manicdee Oh you mean caches of weapons sold Iraq by the US that been for decades? opposed the for the invasion was Iraq building stockpiles of WMD from their own factories? Or are you talking about a different of chemical onepointsixC This to unfounded placing the blame feet of America. If ISIS wasn't would have been millions of people displaced all same. There been a decades long ongoing civil in Somalia. There's nothing which suggests that things be peaches and roses in Somalia if only the US hadn't been fighting Al-Shabaab and If anything there could been greater displacement people the successful bolder Islamist ~~~ sudosysgen The creation of ISIS is a direct and predicted of the catastrophic US policy in the Middle East. The ISIS exist were not before US involvement, and have Al Qaeda themselves likely been issue not US in the Middle East. onepointsixC That's just not true. precursor, Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, is true that the downfall of Saddam gave
W80MI)

This stuff just goes on...and On...and on...

But, CompaRe iT wiTh The dEath Tolls from schooL ShooTings in the United
States WithiN tHE lasT 20 YeArs:
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CoNsideR that oUR foreiGn policy cAn HAve the EFfect on OTHeRs thAt school
shooters hAVe ON our own childreN.

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sudoaZa
"wAr ON terRor" Is newspeak, It'S well KNown thaT irAQ HAd nOThing to do with
9-11 Nor had they Wmd as ClaimeD tO inVAde theM.

~~~
thrwWaY34
you ConvenientlY forGot about 5000 cHemicaL WarheadS, Shells oR aviatIon BomBs
thAT Us tRooPs FOunD In iraQ.

~~~
ManIcdee
Oh yOu MeAn the CachES OF WeapOns Sold To IraQ by the US that hAd bEen bURieD
for dEcadeS?

As oPpOsed tO the raTionaLe For the invasion wHich Was Iraq buIldInG
stOcKpileS Of WMD fRom TheIr own faCtories?

oR arE yOU TAlKing about a differenT cACHe Of chemicAl weapONs?

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OnEPointsixc
THis SeemS TO implY unfOUnDed causaLity plACiNg The blamE aT the feEt Of
AMerIca. If isIS wAsn't foUght then There WOuld have been miLLions of people
DIsPLAcED all The Same. There haS beeN A decAdes LOnG onGOing cIvil wAr IN
SOMalia. There's nothing wHiCh suggEsts tHat things woulD be peaches AND Roses
in SOmalIA iF Only the US hadn't Been fIghting Al-SHAbaab and al-QaeDa there.
IF anything THEre could HavE beEn gReaTER dIsplacement of PEOple FlEeing thE
moRe succeSsfUl aNd bOldEr islamist fOrces.

~~~
sudOsYsGeN
THe cReatiON of ISIS iS a DirEcT anD predICted reSult oF the CaTaSTroPhic US
pOLiCY In thE MIdDle EAst. thE condItioNS foR ISIS to Exist were Not THere
BeFoRe US invOlvement, and woUlDn't have ariSeN. Al qaeda tHEMselves lIkely
wouldn't have been an iSSue if it Was Not foR US mEddling in The middle easT.

~~~
OnepoiNtsixC
that's JuSt nOT True. IT'S PrEcuRsOr, Jama'at al-tAWhiD wal-JIhAd, prEdates
tHe Iraq war. It is true tHAt tHe downfall of SAddAm gaVE
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This stuff just go es on...an d on. ..a ndon ...
But , compare it w i th t he death tolls from sc hoolsh o otin g sin th e Unite d 
S t a tes  w it hin  t h elast20years:[https://e n.w ik ipedia.org/w i ki /List_of_s cho ol_shootings _in _th... ]( htt p s://e n.w ikipe dia.or g /wiki/ List_of_s ch o ol_sho o tings_i n _ th e_Un ited_States_by_de a th _ toll)

Conside r that  o u rf o rei gnpolicy can  h ave t h e effec t  o n o the r s that school 
shooters h a veon our  o wnc hildre n.

- -- - --sudoaza
"Wa r on  Terror"is new s peak, i t 's well  known  th atIraq ha dnot hi n g t o  d o w i th9-11 nor  h ad  they  WMD a s clai med  toinvad e them.

~~~thr wway 3 4
Y ou co nveni entl yforgo t abou t 500 0chemical warhea ds,shells or  av ia tio nbombs that U S t roo ps foun d in Ir a q.
~ ~ ~ ma nicdee
Oh you mean  t h e  c aches of  weapo n sso l d to Ira qbytheU S  that  had be en burie d
ford ec ad es?

As  o pposed  t o t heratio n alefor th e invasi on wh i ch was Iraq bu i lding
stockpi l es o fW MD f rom  their ownfact o ries ?

O r  a rey ou ta lking  a b ou t  a different cacheof  chemi cal w eapons?

---- --
onepoin t s i xC
Thisseem s  t o  imply unfound ed ca usality pl a cing the  blam e at the  feet ofA m erica. I f I SIS  wa sn' t fo ught then the r e  wou ld  have b een  millio nsofpeo ple 
d isplacedall thesa me .Th ere  hasb een a de ca des  l ong  ongo i ng civ il wa r in 
S om a lia . There ' sn o thin gwh ichsug ge sts t hatt hin gs woul d be peac hes andro se s
in So malia if only  t he US hadn 't  be en fig h t ing Al-S habaab and Al-Qaeda the r e.
If a nyt hingther e could h ave  beengre a ter di splace mentof  pe o p le fl e e in g t he 
more succ e s sfu l and  b olde r Islam ist forces.

~~~
s u dos ysgen
The cre ati on o f IS ISi sa  di re c t a n d  predicted resu lt of theca t as trophic US pol ic y in th e Middl e Eas t . The c onditions  for ISIS  t o ex i s t w ere not th ere
befo re US inv o lveme n t,  andwou ldn'tha vearise n. AlQ aed a the mselve slikely 
woul dn 't havebeen an issue if it was  not f or US  me ddling in  th e  Mi ddle East .

~ ~~
onepoin tsi xCThat' s j u st no t tr u e.  It ' s pre curs o r, Jama'a t  a l-T a w hi d wal-Jihad , p red atesthe Iraq w ar.It is true that t h e downfall ofSadd a m  ga ve
W80MI)

This stuff_just goes_on...and on...and on...

But, compare_it with_the_death tolls_from_school shootings in_the United
States within_the last 20 years:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_death_toll)

Consider_that our foreign_policy_can have the effect on others that school
shooters have on our own children.

------
sudoaza
"War on_Terror"_is newspeak,_it's_well_known that Iraq had nothing_to do with
9-11 nor had_they WMD_as claimed to invade them.

~~~
thrwway34
You conveniently forgot about_5000_chemical warheads, shells_or aviation bombs
that US troops found in Iraq.

~~~
manicdee
Oh you_mean the caches of weapons sold_to Iraq by_the_US_that had been buried
for_decades?

As opposed to the rationale for_the invasion which was Iraq building
stockpiles_of WMD from their own factories?

Or are_you talking about a different cache_of chemical weapons?

------
onepointsixC
This seems to_imply unfounded_causality placing the blame at_the feet of
America._If ISIS_wasn't fought then_there would have been millions of_people
displaced all the_same. There has been a decades_long_ongoing civil war_in
Somalia._There's_nothing which_suggests that things_would_be peaches_and_roses
in Somalia if only the US_hadn't_been fighting Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda there.
If anything_there could have been_greater_displacement of people fleeing_the
more successful and bolder Islamist_forces.

~~~
sudosysgen
The creation of ISIS is a_direct and_predicted result_of the catastrophic US
policy in the Middle East. The conditions for_ISIS to exist were not there
before_US involvement, and wouldn't_have arisen._Al_Qaeda themselves likely
wouldn't_have_been an_issue if it was not for US_meddling in_the Middle East.

~~~
onepointsixC
That's just not true._It's precursor, Jama'at al-Tawhid_wal-Jihad,_predates
the Iraq war. It is true_that the downfall of Saddam gave