 for such a thing (and it's about to get a lot more
interesting with VR/AR) -- the dopamine hit of MORE INFO MORE INFO MORE INFO
makes sense in an information-scarce world. No longer. I suspect our brains
will adapt rather quickly, for those of us born into it. For those of us over
age 25 or so, I suspect we'll always have twitches of addiction and nostalgia
for being off grid.

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betteryeti
Longtime listener, first-time caller here. Okay, maybe this is just a naive
idea, but in Fry's spirit of going-backward-to-go-forward, I think that a very
subversive, Internet-thwarting tech would be a device that did point-to-point
communication (ie., like ham-radio packet broadcast). Like, go to place X,
tune into your point-to-point USB dongle and tune in to the chatter --
constrained by the broadcast range of the device's power and antenna. You'd
have the efficiencies of a social networking system paired with the place-ness
of a particular physical location. This would tend, I imagine, to link people
up IRL after they "sniffed" each other electronically to determine whether
they were same tribe/interest/affinity/perversion/whatever. From there, they
could pursue the more authentic/place-based/dreamy/serendipitous youth more
resonant with what Fry experienced in his youth. And since the communication
is point-to-point with no IP address or Internet implied, no
advertiser/analytics authority could interpose itself in those conversations.

Is that an insane idea?

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ogdoad
>It is not about the numbers. It is _never_ about the numbers. Don’t let them
tell you otherwise.

The ad midway probably has something to do with numbers, where 10,000 is
better than 100.

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vinceguidry
What in the world would be the point of really going off the nets? I honestly
can't see the point. It's so easy to pick and choose how you want to interact
with the online world. A few years ago, not having a Facebook was like living
in a cave in the woods. Now? All my friends are on Facebook, but very few of

for such a thing (and it's about to get a lot more 
 interesting with VR / AR) -- the dopamine hit of MORE information MORE information MORE information 
 makes sense in an information - scarce earth. No longer. I suspect our brains 
 will adjust rather quickly, for those of us born into it. For those of us over 
 historic period 25 or so, I suspect we'll constantly have twitches of addiction and nostalgia 
 for being off power system. 

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 betteryeti 
 Longtime listener, first - time caller here. Okay, maybe this is just a naive 
 idea, but in Fry's emotional state of going - backward - to - go - forward, I think that a very 
 insurgent, Internet - thwarting tech would be a device that did bespeak - to - point 
 communication (ie. , like ham - radio receiver packet broadcast). Like, run to place X, 
 tune into your point - to - point USB dongle and tune in to the yak -- 
 constrained by the broadcast range of the device's power and antenna. You'd 
 have the efficiencies of a social networking system pair with the space - ness 
 of a particular physical location. This would tend, I imagine, to link people 
 up IRL after they " sniffed " each early electronically to specify whether 
 they were same kin / sake / affinity / perversion / whatever. From there, they 
 could quest for the more authentic / place - based / dreamy / serendipitous young person more 
 resonant with what Fry experienced in his youth. And since the communication 
 is point - to - point with no IP savoir-faire or Internet implied, no 
 advertiser / analytics authority could interpose itself in those conversations. 

 Is that an insane idea? 

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 ogdoad 
 > It is not about the numbers. It is _ never _ about the numbers. Do n’t let them 
 tell you otherwise. 

 The ad midway credibly has something to practice with issue, where 10,000 is 
 better than 100. 

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 vinceguidry 
 What in the world would be the point of in truth going off the nets? I honestly 
 can't see the item. It's so easy to pick and choose how you want to interact 
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inverestihg with XR/AR) -- the dopamine hit of MOCE IBFO MIRE INFO MORE INFO
maker sense ij an infirmauion-scarce world. Ik longev. I shdpecc iur brains
will adapt ratver quickly, fos ghlse of us born into it. For those of us ovet
ahe 25 or so, I sufpecu wq'll zlways have twitches of addiction znd nosualgia
for being ofg grid.

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betteryeti
Longtime llstejer, first-time callfr here. Okai, marve this is jjst a naivt
ibea, but in Rry's spirit of going-backward-to-gu-forwcrd, I think tyat d very
subvecsive, Pnternet-thwarbpng tecv would be a device tmat dmd piint-to-point
communicatmon (ie., like ham-radio packet bsocdcast). Like, go to plaxe X,
tung intm yoje puinu-to-'oiht USB doigle and tuhe in to thw chatter --
constraintd fj the broadcaat rande of the device's power and antenna. You'd
hdve the efficiencies of a wocial networking sysjem paired with the place-ness
of a particular physical locathon. Tiir wiuja tfnd, I imagine, to link people
up IRL after they "anofned" each other ejectronicalky tp determine whgther
thzg sere same tribe/intfrest/afsinitt/perversijn/whstever. From there, they
could pursue the iire authentic/place-yased/dreamy/szrendikitous youth more
resonant witk what Fry experifnced in gks youth. And sinze nhe wommunication
is point-to-poigt with ni IP addresr or Interget implief, no
advertiser/analytics wuthotity cmuld interoose itself in those conversations.

Is that an onvanv idea?

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ogdjad
>It is not about the numbers. Ij is _nevex_ aboug the numbvrs. Don’t net them
telj you otherwivg.

The ad midwab probablr haw sonething go do with numners, wherv 10,000 is
bwtter than 100.

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vinceguldry
Wfzt in the world woood be the poiny ow rqaplb goigc off the neds? I hovrstly
zan't set tme ooiny. It's so easy to picn ans choose how you wsnb to intetact
with ehe online wotld. A few years agl, not hating a Fasebook was like living
in a cavs in the aooqs. Now? All mr frlendf are on Fccebook, but very few of

for such a thing (and it's about a more interesting VR/AR) -- the MORE MORE INFO makes in an information-scarce No longer. I suspect our brains adapt rather quickly, for those of us born into it. For those of over age 25 or so, I suspect we'll always have twitches of addiction nostalgia being grid. betteryeti Longtime listener, first-time caller here. Okay, maybe this is just a naive idea, but in spirit of going-backward-to-go-forward, I think that a very Internet-thwarting tech would be device that did point-to-point communication like packet broadcast). go place tune into your USB dongle and tune in to the chatter -- constrained by the broadcast range of the device's and antenna. the efficiencies a networking paired with the a particular physical location. This would to link people up IRL after they "sniffed" other electronically determine whether they were same tribe/interest/affinity/perversion/whatever. there, they could pursue the more authentic/place-based/dreamy/serendipitous youth resonant with what Fry experienced in his youth. And since the communication is point-to-point with address or Internet implied, advertiser/analytics authority could itself those Is an insane ------ ogdoad >It is not about the numbers. It is _never_ the numbers. Don’t let them tell you otherwise. The ad has to do with where 10,000 is better 100. vinceguidry What in the be point off nets? honestly can't see the It's so easy to pick choose how you want world. A few years ago, not having a was like living in a cave in woods. Now? All my friends are on Facebook, but very few of
 for such a thing (and it's about tO get a lot moRe
intEreStiNg With vR/AR) -- The dopamine hit OF MORe INFO MORE INFO MORE INFO
mAkes sEnSE in aN InFormaTion-scaRCe WORld. no LoNgeR. I SUsPect oUr bRains
wiLl adapt ratHer QuIckly, for thosE Of Us born into It. FOr those of us oVer
Age 25 or sO, I SusPEct we'Ll aLways Have twITches oF addictioN aND nostaLGia
for bEINg Off gRid.

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betteryeti
LongTImE Listener, first-tIme calLeR HeRE. okaY, maYbe this is jUsT a naiVE
idea, buT In fRY'S spIRit of going-bacKward-to-go-foRWarD, I thinK tHat A Very
suBversIvE, intErnet-thwartIng tEch would bE a deviCE that diD Point-to-Point
cOmmUniCatiON (iE., lIke HaM-RadIO pAckET brOadcast). LIkE, gO to plAce X,
TUNE Into YouR poiNt-to-pOint USB dongle And Tune IN to The chAtter --
ConsTrAined By the bRoadcAsT range of the deviCe's pOwer and anTenNa. you'D
hAve thE EfficiEncIes Of a sociAl netwoRKinG sYSTEm Paired with the place-NeSS
Of A particuLar phySIcAl LOcation. THiS woUld tEND, I imaGine, TO lInk peoplE
up IRL AFtEr They "sniFfEd" each OtHer EleCtronICallY to detErmine whEther
THey were same triBE/interest/affiNItY/PErVErsiOn/wHatever. From TherE, They
CoulD PuRsuE The moRe autHeNTiC/Place-based/dreamy/serEnDipitoUs youTh more
resonanT with what FRY EXperiencEd in HIs YOuth. And since thE commUnication
iS Point-to-pOint wIth no IP aDdress or INTErnet impLieD, no
AdvErtISEr/Analytics authORIty cOuLd interPosE itself In tHosE coNveRsAtions.

Is tHat an insAnE iDeA?

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oGdoAd
>It iS Not about ThE nuMbErs. it is _nEVer_ aboUt the NumbErS. DON’t lEt them
tELl YOU othErWiSe.

ThE ad MiDway pRobaBLy hAs sometHing to do wIth NUmbeRs, WhEre 10,000 is
beTter than 100.

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vinceGuIdry
What in ThE woRld wouLD Be the poiNt of really going off the neTS? I honesTly
Can't sEe thE point. It's So eAsy to pIck ANd chooSe how yOu wanT tO inTERact
wITH tHe oNlIne world. A fEW YeaRs ago, NoT havIng a FacEbook was like living
IN a cAve in the woods. now? all mY FRiEndS ArE On FAcEBooK, BUt very few of

 for such a thing (and it' s about to  geta l otmo re
i nter esting with VR / AR)-- the dopamine hit of  MORE  I N FO M O RE  INFO  MORE I N FO m ake sse nse  i n  a n inf orm ation-s carce worl d.No  longer. I s u sp ect our br ain s
will adapt  ra ther q ui ckl y , for  th ose o f us b o rn int o it. For  t h ose of us over a ge  25or so, I suspectw e' l l always havetwitch es of a ddi cti on and nos ta lgiaf or bein g  o f f gri d .

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bet teryeti
Lon g tim e list en er, first- timeca l ler  here. Okay , ma ybe thisis jus t  a naiv e 
idea,but in  Fr y's  spi r it  o f g oi n g-b a ck war d -to -go-forw ar d,  I th inkt h a t  a v ery 
sub versi ve, Internet- thw arti n g t ech w ouldbe a  d evice  thatdid p oi nt-to-point
com muni cation (i e.,  l ike  h am-ra d io pac ket  br oadcast ). Like ,  go  t o p la ce X,
tune into yo ur p oi nt-to-po int US B  d on g le and t un e i n to t he ch atte r  - -
constr ainedb yth e broad ca st ran ge  of  th e dev i ce's  power  and ant enna. You'd
have the efficiencieso fa so c ialnet working sys temp aire d wi t hthe place -ness 
o f  a particular physical  l ocatio n. Th is would tend , I imagin e , to linkpeop l eu p IRL after th ey "s niffed" ea c h otherelect ronicall y to dete r m ine whet her 
th eywer e sa me tribe/inte r e st/a ff inity/p erv ersion/ wha tev er.  Fr om  there, t hey
coul dpu rs ue  th e mor e  authent ic /pl ac e-b ased/ d reamy/ seren dipi to us you th more re s o nant  w it h wh atFr y exp erie n ced  in his  youth. A nds ince  t he  commun ication
is po in t-to-point  w ith  no IP a ddress o r Internet implied, noa dvertis er/ analy tics  authorit y c ould i nte r pose i tselfin th os e c o n versa t i on s.
I s that ani n san e ide a? 

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og doad
>It is not ab o utthe numbers.Itis _ n e ve r_a bo u t t he num b e rs. Don’t let t hem
tell y ou ot herwise.
T head  midway  probab ly ha s  someth ing to do  with num be rs,w h ere  10,000 is 
betterthan 100. 
---- - -vince gui dry
Wh at  in  theworldw oul d bethe po in t of r eally  g oing off  the nets? I honestly
c an't s ee th e p oint. It' s s o  ea sy to pic k an d choose h owyou  want  to inter actw it h t h e onl inew orld. A f e wyea r s  a go, not hav i n g  aFaceb ook was li ke l iving
in a cave i n  the woods. No w? A l l  my  fr i ends  a re on Facebook , b ut v ery fewof 

 for_such a_thing (and it's about_to get_a_lot more
interesting_with_VR/AR) -- the_dopamine hit of_MORE INFO MORE INFO_MORE INFO
makes sense_in_an information-scarce world. No longer. I suspect our brains
will adapt rather quickly, for those_of_us born_into_it._For those of us over
age_25 or so, I suspect_we'll always_have twitches of addiction and nostalgia
for being off_grid.

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betteryeti
Longtime_listener, first-time caller_here. Okay, maybe this is just a naive
idea, but_in Fry's spirit of going-backward-to-go-forward, I_think that a_very
subversive,_Internet-thwarting_tech would be a_device that did point-to-point
communication (ie., like_ham-radio packet broadcast). Like, go to_place X,
tune into your point-to-point USB dongle_and tune in to the chatter_--
constrained by the broadcast range_of the_device's power and antenna. You'd
have_the efficiencies of_a social_networking system paired_with the place-ness
of a particular physical_location. This would_tend, I imagine, to link people
up_IRL_after they "sniffed"_each_other_electronically to_determine whether
they were_same_tribe/interest/affinity/perversion/whatever. From_there,_they
could pursue the more authentic/place-based/dreamy/serendipitous youth_more
resonant_with what Fry experienced in his youth._And since the communication
is_point-to-point_with no IP address_or Internet implied, no
advertiser/analytics authority_could interpose itself in those conversations.

Is_that an_insane idea?

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ogdoad
>It_is not about the numbers. It is _never_ about the numbers._Don’t let them
tell you otherwise.

The ad_midway probably has something_to do_with_numbers, where 10,000_is
better_than 100.

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vinceguidry
What_in the world would be the point_of really_going off the nets? I honestly
can't_see the point. It's_so_easy to pick and choose how_you want to interact
with the online_world. A few years ago,_not_having_a Facebook was like living
in_a cave in the woods. Now?_All my friends_are on Facebook, but very few of
