 sector. Other than pay or patriotism, what would motivate a competent
person to want to work for the government?

~~~
AndrewKemendo
Patriotism is the wrong word.

If you think that your government should be doing things a different way, and
you feel you know how to do it better then you have a couple of avenues to
participate. One of them is joining the government in a capacity that allows
you to affect change directly.

It's true, you aren't going to get paid $500,000 a year for being a software
engineer. However, the USG does not pay subsistence wages. For entry level
Data Science jobs in Boston we pay better than the market, and with better
benefits, a union, matching investment accounts, low cost health insurance,
stability and many other things you don't have elsewhere.

We also have opportunities to work on things that you just can't elsewhere.

~~~
ntsplnkv2
Let's be honest - working for the government is a very poor way to affect
change in it. The decision makers are also very far removed compared to
private corporations and certainly so compared to smaller more agile companies
like startups.

~~~
AndrewKemendo
I am sitting here, as a government employee, telling you that you can actually
make change. And at least for this problem set, you can make it in an
extremely impactful way.

Whether you believe me or not is up to you.

~~~
craftinator
In what way have you effected change in the government? In what ways have you
seen those around you do so (you must have witnessed this, by your stated
claims)? I was in the military, which is a different beast entirely, but
worked constantly with fairly high level government employees. They always
seemed powerless, and to have accepted that.

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lastres0rt
I guess this article counts as therapy, what with the whole line of "The
goddamn vaunted databases of the government are NOT the stuff of conspiracy
theories. In fact, they're just as shitty as you would expect."

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thinkingkong
Honestly this entire system is a mess. But it's working so nobody is going to
change it, plus going "over the top" and building a better, more idealistic
solution will
sector. Other than pay or patriotism, what would motivate a competent 
 person to want to work for the politics? 

 ~~~ 
 AndrewKemendo 
 Patriotism is the amiss word. 

 If you think that your politics should be doing thing a different way, and 
 you find you know how to do it well then you have a couple of avenues to 
 enter. One of them is joining the government in a capacity that allows 
 you to involve change directly. 

 It's true, you aren't going to get paid $ 500,000 a class for being a software 
 engineer. However, the USG does not pay subsistence wages. For entry grade 
 Data Science jobs in Boston we pay adept than the marketplace, and with better 
 benefit, a union, matching investment report, low cost health insurance, 
 stability and many other thing you don't have elsewhere. 

 We also have opportunities to work on things that you just can't elsewhere. 

 ~~~ 
 ntsplnkv2 
 Let's be honest - working for the politics is a very hapless way to feign 
 variety in it. The decisiveness makers are also very far removed compared to 
 private corporations and certainly so compare to smaller more agile companies 
 like startups. 

 ~~~ 
 AndrewKemendo 
 I am sitting here, as a government employee, telling you that you can actually 
 lay down change. And at least for this problem set, you can make it in an 
 highly impactful way. 

 Whether you think me or not is up to you. 

 ~~~ 
 craftinator 
 In what way have you effected change in the government? In what ways have you 
 seen those around you do therefore (you must have witnessed this, by your stated 
 claims)? I was in the military, which is a unlike beast wholly, but 
 worked constantly with fairly high level government employee. They always 
 seemed powerless, and to have accepted that. 

 ------ 
 lastres0rt 
 I guess this article counts as therapy, what with the unharmed line of " The 
 goddamn boast databases of the government are NOT the material of conspiracy 
 theories. In fact, they're just as shitty as you would expect. " 

 ------ 
 thinkingkong 
 Honestly this integral system is a mess. But it's working then nobody is going to 
 change it, plus going " over the top " and building a good, more idealistic 
 solution will
 seftor. Other than pay or pxtriotism, what ciuld mmtivats a compdtent
person to want to work hor rhe givernment?

~~~
AndrewKemendo
Oatriotisl is the wroig word.

If you thmhk that your flverumxnt should be dping thingv a different fah, cnd
you feel you know how to do it beeter thrn you have a coople ps avsnues to
participate. One of them is joininj the governmeny in a capacity that allowd
you to affect change firectly.

It's truq, you aren't guing to geu 'aid $500,000 a yeat for being a software
engineer. Huwevex, the USG diew nlj pay subsisvence rages. For enbgy leven
Data Svience jobs in Bovtob we pay better than vhe market, and with fetter
benafnts, a union, matching uncestmgnt awcouvrs, uow cpsf healhh mnsurance,
stzbility and many other things uot don't have elaewherq.

Wq also have opportunities to work on thpngs that you just can't elswwhere.

~~~
ntsplnkv2
Let's be honest - rorking for the government is a very poor way to dffecv
cfanyc kb lt. The decision makers are also very far remodsd cpmpared to
privcte corporations ajd sertainly so zomparzs fo smaller more aglle comkanies
oike staruups.

~~~
AmdrewKemendo
I am sitting heee, as a govegnmebt employee, telliny you that yuu csn acyually
make change. And ac leasf for this oroblem ssg, you can make ig ik at
extremely impactful way.

Whqther you belneve me ur npt is tp to you.

~~~
cgaftikdtor
In what way hage yoo effewted changf in the government? In what ways have you
seen tvosv around vou do so (you must rave witnessed this, bv your stated
clapms)? I was in the milytary, which iv a different beast egtirwly, vut
workda constantly woth fairlj kigh leveo government emplonees. Jhsy always
seemed poqerless, and to navd ascvptxd thwd.

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lastres0rt
I cuesr tfos argicle countw as yherapy, what with tha whkle line of "The
godcain vauntgd databafes of the gofernment are NOT tje stnff of conslirwcy
theories. In fact, they're jusf as shithy ws you would expcct."

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trinkingkony
Honestly this entire system is a mess. Bnt it's working so nobodt is going to
change lt, plus goinj "over the top" dnd building a bettee, more idealistic
xolution will
sector. Other than pay or patriotism, what a person to to work for is wrong word. If think that your should be doing things a different and you feel you know how to do it better then you have couple of avenues to participate. One of them is joining the government in capacity allows to change directly. It's true, you aren't going to get paid $500,000 a year for being a engineer. However, the USG does not pay subsistence For entry level Data jobs in Boston we pay than market, and better a matching investment accounts, cost health insurance, stability and many other things you don't have elsewhere. We also have opportunities to on things just can't ~~~ Let's honest - working government is a very poor way in it. The decision makers are also very removed compared private corporations and certainly so compared smaller more agile companies like startups. ~~~ AndrewKemendo am sitting here, as a government employee, telling you that you can actually make change. least for this problem you can make in extremely way. you believe or not is up to you. ~~~ craftinator In what way you effected change in the government? In what ways have those you do so must have witnessed this, your claims)? I was in which a but constantly fairly high level government They always seemed powerless, and have accepted that. ------ counts as therapy, what with the whole line "The goddamn vaunted databases of the government NOT the stuff of conspiracy theories. In fact, they're just as shitty you would thinkingkong Honestly this entire system is a mess. it's working so nobody going to change it, plus going "over the top" building better, more solution will
 sector. Other than pay or patriOtism, what wOuld mOtiVatE a CompEtenT
person to want tO Work For the government?

~~~
AndrewkemenDo
pAtriOTiSm is tHe wrong WOrD.

iF yoU tHiNk tHaT YoUr govErnMent shoUld be doing ThiNgS a different wAY, aNd
you feel yOu kNow how to do it BetTer theN yOu hAVe a coUplE of avEnues tO
ParticIpate. One oF tHEm is joINing the GOVeRnmeNt in a capacity that ALlOWs
you to affect cHange dIrECtLY.

it's TruE, you aren't gOiNg to gET paid $500,000 a yEAr FOR BeiNG a software
engIneer. HoweveR, The uSG doeS nOt pAY subsiStencE wAGes. for entry levEl
DaTa Science Jobs in bOston we PAy betteR than tHe mArkEt, anD WiTh BetTeR
BenEFiTs, a UNioN, matchinG iNvEstmeNt acCOUNTs, loW coSt heAlth iNsurance,
stabiLitY and MAny Other ThingS you DoN't havE elsewHere.

WE aLso have opportunItieS to work on ThiNgS thAt You juST can't eLseWheRe.

~~~
ntsplNkv2
Let's BE hoNeST - WOrKing for the governmeNt IS A vEry poor wAy to afFEcT
cHAnge in it. thE deCisiON MakerS are ALsO very far RemoveD CoMpAred to
pRiVate coRpOraTioNs and CErtaInly so Compared To smaLLer more agile coMPanies
like staRTuPS.

~~~
anDRewKEmeNdo
I am sittiNg heRE, as a GoveRNmEnt EMployEe, telLiNG yOU that you can actually
MaKe chanGe. And At least for thiS problem seT, YOU can make It in AN
eXTremely impactfUl way.

whether you BElieve me Or not Is up to yoU.

~~~
craftinaTOR
In what wAy hAve You EffECTeD change in the gOVErnmEnT? In what WayS have yoU
seEn tHosE arOuNd you do so (You must hAvE wItNeSseD this, BY your staTeD
clAiMs)? I Was in THe miliTary, wHich Is A dIFfeRent beaST eNTIrelY, bUt
WorkEd cOnStantLy wiTH faIrly higH level govErnMEnt eMpLoYees. TheY always
seemed PoWerless, and To HavE accepTED that.

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lasTres0rt
I guess this article COunts as TheRapy, wHat wIth the whoLe lIne of "THe
gODdamn vAunted DatabAsEs oF THe govERNmEnt ArE NOT the stuFF Of cOnspiRaCy
thEories. IN fact, they're just as sHIttY as you would exPecT."

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thiNKInGkoNG
HONesTlY ThiS ENtire system is a mEss. But it's wOrKInG so nobody iS GoiNg To
changE it, plus Going "OVer the tOp" and builDing a bettEr, More IDEalIstic
solutIon will
 sector. Other than pay or  patriotis m, wh atwou ld  mot ivat e a competentp erso n to want to work forthe g ov e rnme n t? 

~~~ 
Andrew K em e n doPa tr iot is m  i s the  wr ong wor d.

If you  th in k that yourg ov ernment sh oul d be doing t hin gs a d if fer e nt wa y,and
y ou fee l  you k now how t od o it b e tter th e n  y ou h ave a couple of a v en u es to
particip ate. O ne of t hem  is  joining t he  gove r nment i n  a c a pac i ty that allow s
you to af f ect  chang edir e ctly.
It's  t r ue,  you aren't  goi ng to get  paid$ 500,000 a yearfor be ing  asoft w ar eeng in e er. Ho wev e r,the USGdo es  notpays u b s iste nce  wag es. F or entry leve l
D ataS cie nce j obs i n Bo st on we  pay b etter  t han the market,  and  with bet ter 
b ene fi ts, a union,  ma tch ing inv estment acc ou n t s ,low cost health in su r a nc e,
stabi lity a n dma n y otherth ing s yo u don't  hav e  e lsewhere .

Wea ls ohave op po rtunit ie s t o w ork o n  thi ngs th at you j ust c a n't elsewhere. 
~~~
ntsplnkv 2 
L e t 's be h one st - workin g fo r  the  gov e rn men t  is a  very  p o or way to affect
chang ein it.  Thedecision make rs are als o v ery farremo v ed compared to
pr ivate  corporati o ns and c ertai nly so c ompared t o smallermor e a gil e c o m pa nies
like sta r t ups. 
~~~
And rew Kemendo 
Iamsit tin ghere, asa govern me nt  e mp loy ee, t e lling yo utha tyou  cana ctuall y
mak e ch an ge .  An d at le a st f or t hi sprob lem  s et, y ou c a n m ake itin an
ext rem e ly i mp ac tful wa y.

Whether y ou  believe m eornot is u p to you .

~~~
craftinator
In w h at wayhav e you  eff ected cha nge  in th e g o vernme nt? In  what  w ays h ave y o u 
s een  t hose aroun d you  do s o(you  must h ave witnessed this ,  by  your statedcla ims) ? Iwas in the  m i lit a r y, which is a d ifferent b ea s tentirely,b utwo rked co nstantl y wit h  fairly  high lev el govern me nt e m p loy ees. Theyalways
s eemed pow e rless ,  a nd to  ha ve acc ep ted  that .

--- - --lastr es0rtIguessthisar ticle co unts as therapy, what w ith th e who leline of " The god damn vaun teddatabasesofthe  gove rnm e nt ar e NO T  t hes tuffof c o nspiracyt he ori e s .In fact, th e y ' rejustass hittyas y ou would expect." 
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thinki ngko n g 
Ho nes t ly t hi s entire syste m i sa mess. Bu tit's workin g so nob od y  is g oing t o
chan ge it,p l us going"ove r t he top" a ndbu i lding a  b et t er, mo re i de alisti c
solu t ionw i ll
 sector._Other than_pay or patriotism, what_would motivate_a_competent
person to_want_to work for_the government?

~~~
AndrewKemendo
Patriotism is_the wrong word.

If you_think that your_government_should be doing things a different way, and
you feel you know how to do_it_better then_you_have_a couple of avenues to
participate._One of them is joining_the government_in a capacity that allows
you to affect change_directly.

It's_true, you aren't_going to get paid $500,000 a year for being_a software
engineer. However, the USG does_not pay subsistence_wages._For_entry level
Data Science jobs_in Boston we pay better than_the market, and with better
benefits, a_union, matching investment accounts, low cost health_insurance,
stability and many other things you_don't have elsewhere.

We also have_opportunities to_work on things that you_just can't elsewhere.

~~~
ntsplnkv2
Let's_be honest_- working for_the government is a very poor_way to affect
change_in it. The decision makers are_also_very far removed_compared_to
private_corporations and_certainly so compared_to_smaller more_agile_companies
like startups.

~~~
AndrewKemendo
I am sitting here, as_a_government employee, telling you that you can_actually
make change. And at_least_for this problem set,_you can make it in_an
extremely impactful way.

Whether you believe me_or not_is up_to you.

~~~
craftinator
In what way have you effected change in the government?_In what ways have you
seen those_around you do so_(you must_have_witnessed this, by_your_stated
claims)? I_was in the military, which is a_different beast_entirely, but
worked constantly with fairly high_level government employees. They_always
seemed_powerless, and to have accepted that.

------
lastres0rt
I_guess this article counts as therapy,_what with the whole line_of_"The
goddamn_vaunted databases of the government_are NOT the stuff of conspiracy
theories._In fact, they're_just as shitty as you would expect."

------
thinkingkong
Honestly_this_entire system is a mess. But_it's_working so nobody is going to
change_it,_plus_going "over the top" and_building a better, more idealistic
solution will