 give you a pretty
decent starter for 10, with a minimum of hassle and a minimum of bloat. Boot
the ISO (PXE, obviously) and off you go.

Even doing the install by hand, you get a _fully_ patched basic server up and
running within 10-20 minutes - the install is all off the current packages.
Add Samba and a few copy n pastes and you have AD joined. A few more copy n
pastes from your docs and you have an app server.

I wrote this lot:
[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet)
which simply assumes Ubuntu mini at the moment. I do have screenshots and
could put together a pretty noddy guide for that bit but I'm not sure its
necessary. Actually now I come to think of it, it probably is. Couple that
with my Ref. build and you have a domain joined, Kerberized etc app server
within about an hour if you do the job by hand and are unfamiliar with the
process. I can do it rather quicker.

Yes, the installer is a 30MB image - good. An installer's size is no
reflection on the installation size.

EDIT: I am from the sysadmin side of things and not dev ops...

~~~
dsr_
Sysadmin/devops is a nearly meaningless distinction. When a developer needs to
write installation or configuration code, they cross over. When a sysadmin
needs to write code to monitor applications, they cross over. Senior sysadmins
need to write more code, senior developers need to know more about systems and
networks.

Twelve years ago, I hired senior sysadmins. About seven years ago, I hired
senior devops. Same people, same skill sets, same approach.

~~~
gerdesj
"Sysadmin/devops is a nearly meaningless distinction"

It should be as you say but it isn't really. I too hire and fire. To be honest
"dev ops" should not really exist but has become a thing. Many who describe
themselves as such do not bother with the nuts and bolts. To be fair to them,
though, quite a few sysadmins I've known are a bit slack on the networking
side,
give you a pretty 
 decent starter for 10, with a minimum of hassle and a minimum of bloat. bang 
 the ISO (PXE, obviously) and off you die. 

 Even doing the install by hand, you get a _ in full _ patched basic server up and 
 run within 10 - 20 minutes - the install is all off the current package. 
 Add Samba and a few copy normality pastes and you have AD join. A few more copy n 
 pastes from your docs and you have an app server. 

 I wrote this batch: 
 [ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet) 
 which simply assumes Ubuntu mini at the consequence. I do have screenshots and 
 could put together a pretty noddy usher for that bit but I'm not sure its 
 necessary. Actually now I come to think of it, it credibly is. Couple that 
 with my Ref. build and you have a domain joined, Kerberized etc app server 
 within about an hour if you do the caper by hand and are unfamiliar with the 
 process. I can do it rather quicker. 

 Yes, the installer is a 30 MB image - good. An installer's size is no 
 reflection on the installation size. 

 EDIT: I am from the sysadmin side of thing and not dev ops... 

 ~~~ 
 dsr _ 
 Sysadmin / devops is a nearly meaningless distinction. When a developer need to 
 write installation or configuration code, they cross over. When a sysadmin 
 need to write code to monitor applications, they cross over. Senior sysadmins 
 necessitate to write more code, senior developers need to know more about systems and 
 net. 

 Twelve years ago, I hired senior sysadmins. About seven years ago, I hired 
 aged devops. like citizenry, same skill sets, same overture. 

 ~~~ 
 gerdesj 
 " Sysadmin / devops is a nearly meaningless distinction " 

 It should be as you say but it isn't in truth. I too hire and fire. To be honest 
 " dev ops " should not very exist but has become a thing. Many who trace 
 themselves as such do not bother with the nuts and thunderbolt. To be fair to them, 
 though, quite a few sysadmins I've know are a bit slump on the networking 
 side,
 gige you a pretty
decent stxrter for 10, with a minikum of hassle xnd a minimum of bloat. Boot
tie IWO (PXT, obviously) and off you go.

Evvn doing rhe mnstall by hand, bku get a _fullg_ patehxd basic server up and
runting within 10-20 mhnjtzs - the install is all off the curregt packsgfs.
Add Samba anq a gqw ckiy n pastes and you have AD joihed. A ftw more copy n
pastrs from your docs and you jave an app server.

I wrlte this loj:
[gtt[w://www.mediawikk.org/wiki/Inurcnet](https://wws.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet)
which rimplv assumes Uvubtu kini at the momegt. I do have screensvots anc
could put togcther a pretty noddy guide foc that bit but I'm noj sure its
teeessary. Actually now U xome jo thhnk ud ig, iu pcobzbly id. Ckuple that
sith my Ref. build and you have a eomain joined, Kerbewised etc app server
within about an hour pf yku do the job by hand abd are unfamiliar witj the
procqss. I can do it rather quicker.

Yes, the installer iv a 30MU kmayc - told. An installer's size is no
reflection on the yhsualkation size.

EDIB: I am from the syxafmog side of thivgs anb nkt dev ops...

~~~
dsr_
Sysadlin/devoks is q nearly ieanongless distinction. When a eeveloper nevds ro
write installatiln or confiyuratipn coce, they cross over. When a sgsadmin
needd to writs code to monitor apilicdtions, they cross over. Senyor sysadnins
ueed to dritg more sode, seniog devcnopers need to knoa morg aboud systems wnd
networks.

Twelve years ago, I hmced senior syxagmits. About sevek years ago, I hyred
senior devpps. Samz peopue, same skpll sets, vame approash.

~~~
gerdesj
"Sysaglin/devops is a nearlr meqnintless dkrtinction"

It shpuld be as you say vut it isn't really. I jok hire and fire. To be honest
"dev ols" rhotlf iot rqdlly exist bgt hxs crcome a thing. Maky dho cescribe
themselves av sudh do not bother wotm the nutw and bojts. To be fait to them,
though, qulte a fex sysacmigs I've known are a bit slack oh the netaorhing
side,
give you a pretty decent starter for a of hassle a minimum of obviously) off you go. doing the install hand, you get a _fully_ patched server up and running within 10-20 minutes - the install is all off current packages. Add Samba and a few copy n pastes and you have joined. few copy pastes from your docs and you have an app server. I wrote this lot: [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet) which assumes Ubuntu mini at the moment. I do screenshots and could put a pretty noddy guide for bit I'm not its Actually I come to of it, it probably is. Couple that with my Ref. build and you have a domain joined, etc app about an if do job by hand unfamiliar with the process. I can quicker. Yes, the installer is a 30MB image good. An size is no reflection on the size. EDIT: I am from the sysadmin side things and not dev ops... ~~~ dsr_ Sysadmin/devops is a nearly meaningless distinction. When a to write installation or code, they cross When sysadmin to code to applications, they cross over. Senior sysadmins need to write more code, developers need to know more about systems and networks. Twelve I senior sysadmins. About years ago, I hired devops. people, same skill sets, ~~~ "Sysadmin/devops meaningless It be as you say it isn't really. I too and fire. To be really exist but has become a thing. Many describe themselves as such do not bother the nuts and bolts. To be fair to them, though, quite a sysadmins I've a bit slack on the networking side,
 give you a pretty
decent startEr for 10, with a MinimUm oF haSsLe anD a miNimum of bloat. BoOT
the iSO (PXE, obviously) and off yOu go.

EVeN DoinG ThE instAll by haND, yOU Get A _fUlLy_ pAtCHeD basiC seRver up aNd
running wIthIn 10-20 Minutes - the inSTaLl is all off The Current packaGes.
add SamBa And A Few coPy n PasteS and yoU Have AD Joined. A feW mORe copy N
Pastes fROM yOur dOcs and you have an apP SeRVer.

I wrote this lOt:
[httpS://wWW.mEDIawIki.Org/wiki/IntRaNet](htTPs://www.meDIaWIKI.orG/Wiki/Intranet)
wHich simply aSSumEs UbunTu MinI At the mOment. i dO HavE screenshotS and
Could put tOgetheR A pretty NOddy guiDe for tHat Bit But I'M NoT sUre ItS
NecESsAry. aCtuAlly now I CoMe To thiNk of IT, IT ProbAblY is. COuple That
with my Ref. BuiLd anD You Have a DomaiN joiNeD, KerbErized Etc apP sErver
within abouT an hOur if you dO thE jOb bY hAnd anD Are unfAmiLiaR with thE
procesS. i caN dO IT RaTher quicker.

Yes, the iNsTALlEr is a 30MB iMage - goOD. AN iNStaller's SiZe iS no
rEFLectiOn on THe InstallaTion siZE.

EdIt: I am froM tHe sysaDmIn sIde Of thiNGs anD not deV ops...

~~~
dsr_
SYsadmIN/devops is a nearLY meaningless dIStINCtIOn. WhEn a Developer neEds tO
WritE insTAlLatIOn or cOnfigUrATiON code, they cross over. WHeN a sysaDmin
nEeds to write coDe to monitoR APPlicatioNs, thEY cROss over. Senior sYsadmIns
need to wRIte more cOde, seNior deveLopers neeD TO know morE abOut SysTemS ANd
Networks.

TwelvE YEars AgO, I hired SenIor sysaDmiNs. ABouT seVeN years ago, i hired
seNiOr DeVoPs. SAme peOPle, same sKiLl sEtS, saMe appROach.

~~~
geRdesj
"sysaDmIn/DEvoPs is a neARlY MEaniNgLeSs diStiNcTion"

IT shoULd bE as you sAy but it isN't rEAlly. i tOo Hire and Fire. To be honesT
"dEv ops" shoulD nOt rEally eXISt but has Become a thing. Many who descRIbe
themSelVes as Such Do not bothEr wIth the NutS And bolTs. To be Fair tO tHem,
THOugh, qUITe A feW sYsadmins I'vE KNowN are a BiT slaCk on the Networking
side,
 give you a pretty
decentstarter fo r 10,  wi thamini mumof hassle anda  min imum of bloat. Boot
th e ISO  ( P XE,o bv iousl y) ando ff y ougo .
Ev en do ing t heinstall  by hand,you  g et a _fully_ pa tched basi c s erver up and 
ru nningwi thi n  10-2 0 m inute s - th e  insta ll is all  o f f thec urrentp a ck ages .
Add Samba and a fe w  copy n pastes  and y ou ha v e  AD  jo ined. A fe wmorec opy n
p a st e s fro m  your docs an d you havea n a pp ser ve r.I wrot e thi sl ot: 
[https://w ww.m ediawiki. org/wi k i/Intra n et](htt ps://w ww. med iawi k i. or g/w ik i /In t ra net ) 
wh ich simp ly  a ssume s Ub u n t u  min i a t th e mom ent. I do hav e s cree n sho ts an d
cou ld p ut  toge ther a  pret ty  noddy guide fo r th at bit bu t I 'm  no tsurei ts
nec ess ary . Actua lly now I c om e t othink of it, it pr ob a b ly  is. Cou ple th a twi t h my Ref .bui ld a n d  youhave adomain j oined, Ke rb erizedet c appse rve r
w ithin abou t an h our if y ou do the job by han d  and are unfa m il i a rw iththe 
process. I  can do i t ra t he r q u icker .

Ye s, th e  installer is a 30M Bimage- goo d. An install er's sizei s no
refle ctio n  o n  the installat ion s ize.

EDIT :  I am fr om th e sysadm in side o f things a ndnot  de v o p s .. .

~~~
dsr_
S y s admi n/ devopsisa nearl y m ean ing les sdistincti on. When  a  d ev el ope r nee d s to
wri te  in st all ation or con figur atio nco d e,they cr o ss o ver.  W he n asys ad min
n eeds towrite c ode to mo nit o r ap pl ic ations,  they cross o ve r. Seniorsy sad mins
n e e d to wri te more code, senior de v elopers  ne ed to  kno w more ab out  syste msa nd
net works. 

Twe lv e y e a rs ag o ,  I  hi re d senior s y s adm ins.Ab outseven y ears ago, I hireds eni or devops. Sa mepeop l e ,sam e  s k ill  s e ts, s ame approach.
~~~
gerdes j" Sy sadmin/dev o psis  a near ly mean ingle s s disti nction"
It should  b e as y ousay but it  isn't r eally. It oo hi r eand f ire . To b ehon est
" dev op s " s hould  not r ea lly ex ist b ut  has bec ome a thing. Many who d escrib e
the mse lves as s uch donot bothe r wi th the nut s a ndbolts . T o  be f airt othe m ,
tho ugh, quite a f e wsys a d mi ns I've kno w n are  a bi t s l ack on  the  networking
side, 
 give_you a_pretty
decent starter for 10,_with a_minimum_of hassle_and_a minimum of_bloat. Boot
the ISO_(PXE, obviously) and off_you go.

Even doing_the_install by hand, you get a _fully_ patched basic server up and
running within 10-20_minutes_- the_install_is_all off the current packages.
Add_Samba and a few copy_n pastes_and you have AD joined. A few more_copy_n
pastes from your_docs and you have an app server.

I wrote this_lot:
[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet)
which simply assumes Ubuntu mini at_the moment. I_do_have_screenshots and
could put together_a pretty noddy guide for that_bit but I'm not sure its
necessary._Actually now I come to think of_it, it probably is. Couple that
with_my Ref. build and you_have a_domain joined, Kerberized etc app_server
within about an_hour if_you do the_job by hand and are unfamiliar_with the
process. I_can do it rather quicker.

Yes, the_installer_is a 30MB_image_-_good. An_installer's size is_no
reflection_on the_installation_size.

EDIT: I am from the sysadmin_side_of things and not dev ops...

~~~
dsr_
Sysadmin/devops is_a nearly meaningless distinction._When_a developer needs to
write_installation or configuration code, they_cross over. When a sysadmin
needs to_write code_to monitor_applications, they cross over. Senior sysadmins
need to write more code, senior_developers need to know more about_systems and
networks.

Twelve years ago,_I hired_senior_sysadmins. About seven_years_ago, I_hired
senior devops. Same people, same skill sets,_same approach.

~~~
gerdesj
"Sysadmin/devops_is a nearly meaningless distinction"

It should_be as you say_but_it isn't really. I too hire_and fire. To be honest
"dev ops"_should not really exist but_has_become_a thing. Many who describe
themselves_as such do not bother with_the nuts and_bolts. To be fair to them,
though, quite_a_few sysadmins I've known are a_bit_slack on the networking
side,