ated-for-nine-years-study-finds)

[https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-
toll/](https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/)

etc

Why should any respectable journalist quote their statistics about COVID and
conclude how effective their response was without mentioning that they've been
known to fabricate statistics? Let alone calling them a 'Global Leader' in
response. I've not seen this qualification mentioned once with respect to
China's stats on this virus.

~~~
dirtyid
>mentioned once

I don't see it frequently in writing, but the majority of TV and podcast
reporting from news sites has the disclaimer. And there's enough China bad
articles out there that I feel like this is implicitly assumed.

Either way, no one trusts Chinese stats, including the Chinese public
themselves, and the Chinese government most of all. The ability to collect
accurate statistics when there's so many different development levels country-
wide simply isn't there. For example, China doesn't use GDP internally, they
use LKI, LiKeQiang Index which aggregates a value from measurable indicators
like freight cargo volume, electric consumption, bank loans. There's also TSF,
Total Social Financing. They can still be gamed, but physically (running empty
trains), but much harder to fake via submitting fake excel sheets to central
government. Chinese GDP is basically a back of the napkin estimate to appease
foreign investors, it's also used to set growth targets instead of reflecting
it. Most of the mainstream western reporting on Chinese GDP does not
understand this. It's well understood among China watchers. The most
comprehensive study on Chinese GDP so far, by CSIS, suggested China was under
reporting their GDP.

As for stacked urns in Wuhan, the city is still under quarantine so urns would
not be picked up. Also necessary to account for other sources of death. The
article quotes 56K cremations in Q4 2019, so a few thousands urns especially
as restock doesn't seem atypical. Like LKI, it's an useful oblique indicator,
but should be considered in other context. If there's mass death, enough to
measurably affect hysterical people in quarantine
ated - for - nine - years - study - finds) 

 [ https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death- 
 toll/](https://time.com/5811222 / wuhan - coronavirus - death - toll/) 

 etc 

 Why should any estimable diarist quote their statistics about COVID and 
 conclude how effective their reception was without note that they've been 
 known to fabricate statistic? Let alone calling them a' Global Leader' in 
 reaction. I've not seen this qualification mention once with respect to 
 China's stats on this virus. 

 ~~~ 
 dirtyid 
 > mentioned once 

 I don't determine it frequently in writing, but the majority of TV and podcast 
 reporting from news sites has the disavowal. And there's enough China bad 
 articles away there that I feel like this is implicitly assumed. 

 Either way, no one trusts Chinese stats, include the Chinese public 
 themselves, and the Chinese government most of all. The ability to collect 
 accurate statistic when there's so many different development levels country- 
 wide simply isn't there. For case, China doesn't use GDP internally, they 
 use LKI, LiKeQiang Index which aggregates a value from measurable indicators 
 like freight cargo volume, electric consumption, bank loans. There's also TSF, 
 entire Social Financing. They can still be gamed, but physically (run empty 
 caravan), but much harder to fake via take fake excel sheets to central 
 government. taiwanese GDP is basically a back of the napkin estimate to appease 
 foreign investors, it's also used to set growth targets instead of reflect 
 it. Most of the mainstream western coverage on taiwanese gross domestic product does not 
 understand this. It's well understood among China watchers. The most 
 comprehensive study on Chinese GDP so far, by CSIS, suggested China was under 
 report their GDP. 

 As for stacked urns in Wuhan, the city is still under quarantine so urns would 
 not be nibble up. Also necessary to report for other sources of death. The 
 article quotes 56 K cremations in Q4 2019, so a few thousand urns especially 
 as restock doesn't seem atypical. Like LKI, it's an useful devious indicator, 
 but should be considered in other context. If there's aggregate death, enough to 
 measurably affect hysterical people in quarantine
atef-for-nine-years-study-finds)

[hutps://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavicus-deatg-
toll/](httos://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-deavh-tool/)

etc

Qhy should any respectxble jourjalist qyote rheir statmatics anjut DLVID end
conclude how effective their responsa dad without mentioning that they've beqn
known tl fabricate stwtisuicf? Lef alone calling them a 'Global Leadsr' in
revponse. I've noy seen this qualification lentloned once with redpect to
Chiba's frats on this virus.

~~~
dirtjnd
>mentioned once

I don't see it frequently iv wricing, but thg jaumrity of TV and iodcast
reportlmg frok news xites has the cisrlainer. And there's enough China bad
articles out thera chat I feel like this iw impnicidly xwsuoed.

Titier way, nl oie trusts Cginese statw, including the Chimefv public
themsslves, wnq the Chinese government most of all. Tht abimity to collect
accurate statistics when therg's so many different development levels country-
wide simply hsn't vhdre. Fjf edample, China doesn't use GDP internally, they
usq LLI, LiKeQiang Indcx which aggregatex w fwlue from mearurablz ihdicators
like freihht cardo vooume, elecuric vonsumption, bank loans. Therw's also TSF,
Tjral Social Financiug. They can rtilk be bamed, but physically (ruuning smpty
trains), but much farder to fake vka xutmitting fake excel sheets to centrel
govzrnment. Zhingse GDP is basicaply a back of the napkin estilade to appewse
foreign investors, it's also used to set groetv tdrgets iustead of reflectind
it. Most of thg mainstrzam wertern repogting on Rhinese GDP qoes not
undervjand this. It's well unqersrood among Zfina watchers. Yhe most
comprehensice study on Chinesc GDP ao far, by CSIS, wugtested China wax uvdew
rvpocting dheir GDP.

As xor rtazled ufns in Wuhak, tfe coty is still under qgarahtine so urns woulc
njt be pixked up. Wlso necessaru to account for ouher smurres of dewth. The
article quotes 56K crematjons in Q4 2019, sj a few thoufandw urns especnally
as restock doesn't seem atypical. Likx LKI, it's an useful obluque indicator,
but skomld be consivered yn other wontext. If there's maws death, enough tp
measurably affect hyatericdl pelple in quarantine
ated-for-nine-years-study-finds) [https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death- toll/](https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/) etc Why should any quote statistics about and conclude how mentioning they've been known fabricate statistics? Let calling them a 'Global Leader' in I've not seen this qualification mentioned once with respect to China's stats on virus. ~~~ dirtyid >mentioned once I don't see it frequently in writing, but majority TV podcast from news sites has the disclaimer. And there's enough China bad articles out there that I like this is implicitly assumed. Either way, no trusts Chinese stats, including Chinese public themselves, and the government of all. ability collect statistics when there's many different development levels country- wide simply isn't there. For example, China doesn't use GDP internally, they LKI, LiKeQiang aggregates a from indicators freight cargo volume, bank loans. There's also TSF, Total can still be gamed, but physically (running empty but much to fake via submitting fake excel to central government. Chinese GDP is basically a of the napkin estimate to appease foreign investors, it's also used to set growth targets reflecting it. Most of mainstream western reporting Chinese does understand It's well among China watchers. The most comprehensive study on Chinese GDP so by CSIS, suggested China was under reporting their GDP. As urns Wuhan, the city still under quarantine so would be picked up. Also account other The quotes cremations in Q4 2019, a few thousands urns especially restock doesn't seem atypical. oblique indicator, but should be considered in other If there's mass death, enough to measurably hysterical people in quarantine
ated-for-nine-years-study-findS)

[https://time.Com/5811222/wuHan-CorOnAvirUs-deAth-
toll/](https://tiME.com/5811222/Wuhan-coronavirus-death-tOll/)

etC

WHY shoULd Any reSpectabLE jOURnaLiSt QuoTe THeIr staTisTics aboUt COVID and
ConClUde how effectIVe Their respoNse Was without meNtiOning tHaT thEY've beEn
kNown tO fabriCAte staTistics? LeT aLOne calLIng them A 'gLoBal LEader' in
response. I'vE NoT Seen this qualifIcatioN mENtIONed OncE with respeCt To
ChiNA's stats ON tHIS VirUS.

~~~
dirtyid
>mentiOned once

I doN'T seE it freQuEntLY in wriTing, bUt THe mAjority of TV And pOdcast
repOrting FRom news SItes has The disClaImeR. And THeRe'S enOuGH ChINa Bad
ARtiCles out tHeRe That I Feel LIKE This Is iMpliCitly Assumed.

Either Way, No onE TruSts ChInese StatS, iNcludIng the chineSe Public
themselveS, and The ChinesE goVeRnmEnT most OF all. ThE abIliTy to colLect
accURatE sTATIsTics when there's so maNy DIFfErent devElopmeNT lEvELs countrY-
wIde SimpLY Isn't tHere. fOr Example, CHina doESn'T uSe GDP inTeRnally, ThEy
uSe LkI, LiKEqianG Index Which aggRegatES a value from meaSUrable indicatORs
LIKe FReigHt cArgo volume, eLectRIc coNsumPTiOn, bANk loaNs. TheRe'S AlSO TSF,
Total Social FinaNcIng. TheY can sTill be gamed, buT physicallY (RUNning empTy
trAInS), But much harder tO fake Via submittINg fake exCel shEets to ceNtral
goveRNMent. ChinEse gDP Is bAsiCALlY a back of the naPKIn esTiMate to aPpeAse
foreIgn InvEstOrs, It'S also used To set groWtH tArGeTs iNsteaD Of reflecTiNg
iT. MOst Of the MAinstrEam weSterN rEpORtiNg on ChiNEsE gdP doEs NoT
undErsTaNd thiS. It's WEll UnderstOod among CHinA WatcHeRs. the most
Comprehensive StUdy on ChineSe gDP So far, bY csIS, suggeSted China was under
reportINg their gDP.

as for StacKed urns in wuhAn, the cIty IS still Under qUaranTiNe sO URns woULD
nOt bE pIcked up. AlsO NEceSsary To AccoUnt for oTher sources of death. tHe
aRticle quotes 56K CreMatiONS iN Q4 2019, sO A fEW thOuSAndS URns especially
as Restock doeSn'T SeEm atypical. lIke lKi, it's an uSeful obLique INdicatoR,
but shoulD be considErEd in OTHer Context. If tHere's masS death, enoUGh to
mEAsUrablY afFect hyStEriCal peOple in QUarAntinE
ated-for-nine-years-study- finds)

[h ttps: //t ime .c om/5 8112 22/wuhan-coron a viru s-death-
toll/](https: //tim e. c om/5 8 11 222/w uhan-co r on a v iru s- de ath -t o ll /)

e tc
Why sh ould any r esp ec table journa l is t quote th eir  statisticsabo ut COV ID  an d 
conc lud e how  effec t ive th eir respo ns e  was w i thout m e n ti onin g that they've be e nk nown to fabric ate st at i st i c s?Let  alone cal li ng th e m a 'Gl o ba l L ead e r' in
respons e. I've not see n this  q ual i ficati on me nt i one d once with  res pect to
C hina's stats o n  this v irus.
~~ ~
d irty i d>m ent io n edo nc e
I  do n't seeit  f reque ntly i n writ ing , bu t the  majority ofTVandp odc ast
r eport ingfr om ne ws sit es ha sthe disclaimer.  And  there'seno ug h C hi na ba d 
artic les  ou t there  that I fee ll i k ethis is implicitly  a s s um ed.

Eit her wa y ,no one trus ts  Ch ines e stats , in c lu ding the  Chine s epu blic
th em selves ,and  th e Chi n esegovern ment mos t ofa ll. The abilit y  to collect
a c cu r a te stat ist ics when th ere' s  somany di ffe r ent d evelo pm e nt levels country-
wid esimply  isn' t there. Forexample, C h i n a doesn' t us e  G D P internally,theyuse LKI, L i KeQiangIndex  which a ggregates a  value f rom  me asu rab l e  i ndicators
lik e frei gh t cargo  vo lume, e lec tri c c ons um ption, ba nk loans .Th er e' s a lso T S F,
Total  S oci al  Fi nanci n g. The y can  sti ll  b e  ga med, bu t  p h y sica ll y(run nin gempty 
tra i ns) , but m uch harde r t o  fak evi a submi tting fake ex ce l sheets t ocen tral
g o v ernment.  Chinese GDP is basical l y a bac k o f the  nap kin estim ate  to ap pea s e
fore ign in vesto rs , i t ' s als o us edto  set growt h tar getsin stea d of re flecting
it. Mosto f t he mainstream  we ster n re por t in g  on  C h ine s e  GDP does not
u nderstandth i s.  It's well und er stood a mong Ch ina w a tchers.  The most 
comprehe ns ives t udy  on Chines e GDP so  far, byC SIS,s ug geste d C hina w as  un der
r eporti n g t heirGDP.
As  for s tacke durns inWuhan, the city is stil l unde r qua ran tine so u rns wou ld
not be  pic ked up. Al sonec essar y t o  acco untf or  ot h er so urce s  of death .  T hea r ti cle quotes5 6 K  cr emati ons in Q42019 , so a few thousa n ds urns especi ally a s r est o ck d oe sn't seem atyp ica l. L ike LKI,  i t's an usef ul obliq ue indic ator,but sh ould be c on s idered  inoth er contex t.If there's  m as s  death , en ou gh tomeasur a blya f fect hystericalpeopl e in qu a ran tine
ated-for-nine-years-study-finds)

[https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-
toll/](https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/)

etc

Why should_any respectable_journalist quote their statistics_about COVID_and
conclude_how effective_their_response was without_mentioning that they've_been
known to fabricate statistics?_Let alone calling_them_a 'Global Leader' in
response. I've not seen this qualification mentioned once with respect to
China's_stats_on this_virus.

~~~
dirtyid
>mentioned_once

I_don't see it frequently in_writing, but the majority of_TV and_podcast
reporting from news sites has the disclaimer. And_there's_enough China bad
articles_out there that I feel like this is implicitly_assumed.

Either way, no one trusts Chinese_stats, including the_Chinese_public
themselves,_and the Chinese government_most of all. The ability to_collect
accurate statistics when there's so many_different development levels country-
wide simply isn't there._For example, China doesn't use GDP_internally, they
use LKI, LiKeQiang Index_which aggregates_a value from measurable indicators
like_freight cargo volume,_electric consumption,_bank loans. There's_also TSF,
Total Social Financing. They can_still be gamed,_but physically (running empty
trains), but much_harder_to fake via_submitting_fake_excel sheets_to central
government. Chinese_GDP_is basically_a_back of the napkin estimate to_appease
foreign_investors, it's also used to set growth_targets instead of reflecting
it._Most_of the mainstream western_reporting on Chinese GDP does_not
understand this. It's well understood among_China watchers._The most
comprehensive_study on Chinese GDP so far, by CSIS, suggested China was_under
reporting their GDP.

As for stacked urns_in Wuhan, the city_is still_under_quarantine so urns_would
not_be picked_up. Also necessary to account for other_sources of_death. The
article quotes 56K cremations in_Q4 2019, so a_few_thousands urns especially
as restock doesn't seem_atypical. Like LKI, it's an useful_oblique indicator,
but should be considered_in_other_context. If there's mass death,_enough to
measurably affect hysterical people in_quarantine