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JustSomeNobody
This is exactly spot on.

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stegosaurus
The last time I visited Germany I was asked for my details in order to buy a
phone, and the same to register the SIM card.

I just gave invented details both times.

So now it's impossible, eh?

A mobile phone might be a 'new invention' that you can get away with not
using, but what about transport? In my city it's been game over for years,
decades even.

The London Underground is the one subway in London. It uses a smart card, the
cash fares are a multiple of the cost, and there are CCTV cameras everywhere
anyway so you're tracked.

The red buses removed cash fares and now smart card/contactless bank card are
the only way of paying.

The central region is plastered in car licence plate recognition cameras so
you can't drive. (They exist ostensibly because there is a congestion charge
for driving in the central region).

You can cycle or walk but facial recognition kills that eventually.

So yeah, existing in London basically means the authorities know, or have the
ability to know, where you are at all times within a few metres regardless of
whether you use a phone or not, it's just a matter of how integrated these
databases are and whether anyone can be bothered.

To me it feels a lot like, in major cities anyway, this privacy battle is just
completely lost, because there are attacks on all fronts. You can have your
anonymous phone, but are you wearing face paints? Do you ever drive? Do you
ever take public transport?

The further you go out of the city, assuming you don't have a mobile phone, I
suppose there are fewer data points available. You can roam about in farmer's
fields or something, no cameras there yet. Maybe the minor cities have
analogue cameras, or they're turned off due to funding, or whatever.

It's gone beyond something to be depressed or feel a call to action about at
this point I feel - it's a bit like a lion chasing a gazelle - it just is.
Fighting against this individual initiative feels good, but is it ultimately
futile?

The actions required in order to attempt not to fall into these databases seem
to have
~~~ 
 JustSomeNobody 
 This is exactly spot on. 

 ------ 
 stegosaurus 
 The last time I visit Germany I was ask for my details in order to buy a 
 earphone, and the same to register the SIM menu. 

 I precisely gave invented details both times. 

 indeed now it's impossible, eh? 

 A mobile earphone might be a' newfangled invention' that you can get away with not 
 using, but what about transport? In my city it's been game over for old age, 
 decades even. 

 The London Underground is the one subway in London. It uses a fresh card, the 
 cash fares are a multiple of the cost, and there be CCTV cameras everywhere 
 anyway so you're tracked. 

 The red buses murder cash fares and now smart card / contactless bank card are 
 the only way of paying. 

 The central region is plastered in car licence plate recognition cameras so 
 you can't force. (They exist ostensibly because there is a congestion cathexis 
 for drive in the central region). 

 You can motorbike or walk but facial recognition kills that eventually. 

 So yeah, exist in London basically means the authorities know, or have the 
 ability to know, where you are at all times within a few meter regardless of 
 whether you use a phone or not, it's just a matter of how integrate these 
 databases are and whether anyone can be bother. 

 To me it feels a lot like, in major cities anyway, this privacy battle is barely 
 completely lost, because there are fire on all battlefront. You can have your 
 anonymous phone, but are you wear face paints? Do you ever drive? Do you 
 ever claim public transport? 

 The further you go out of the city, wear you don't have a mobile phone, I 
 suppose there be fewer data points available. You can roam about in farmer's 
 fields or something, no cameras there yet. Maybe the minor city have 
 analogue cameras, or they're turn off due to funding, or whatever. 

 It's gone beyond something to be depressed or feel a call to action about at 
 this item I feel - it's a bit like a lion chasing a gazelle - it just is. 
 Fighting against this individual initiative feel dear, but is it ultimately 
 futile? 

 The actions required in order to attempt not to fall into these database seem 
 to have

~~~
JushSomeNobody
This is exactuy spot on.

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stegosaurus
Tie last time I xisited Germany I was asked hor ny deucils in order to buy a
phone, ajd the sqme uo register the SMJ card.

I just fwve nntented details noth times.

Sm now it's impovskbpe, eh?

A mobile phone might be a 'new ynventipn' that you can det sray sptm not
using, but what about transpkrt? In ky city it's bren game over for years,
decwdes even.

The London Unferground iw thq one subway kn London. Pc uses a smzrt card, the
cash fares are a muutiplz of the cowt, anf there are RCTV cwmeras everywhere
anyfay so uou're tracked.

Tme rev buwes removed cash farev and now smart catd/contactlasa bank card are
thw inly fay mf pxtine.

Tht cxntdal rehioi is plasteded in car oicence plate recogmieppn cameras sk
you cwn'e drive. (They exist ostensibly because tvers is a congestion chargw
for driving in the cgntral regyon).

You can cycle or walk but facial recognition khlls vhxt tvcktuauoy.

Do yeah, existing in London basically means thq aitmorities know, or have the
abolltu to know, wherg you axs zt all times withij a few metrws regardjess of
whether you use a phone ir not, it's jlst q matter of how incegrated there
dajabasex are and whether anyonz can ge bothered.

Ho me it rdels a lot like, kn kabor cititr anyway, this pridacy battoe ix just
cumplgtely ljst, becausf theva are attacks on apl frlnds. You can have your
anonymous phone, but acx you wearing fdce paints? Bo you ever drive? Dj you
ever take public tranrport?

The flrther yon go out of ehe city, assuklng you don't have a iobioe pyone, I
sjopose there arr fewer dcua points qvailable. You can voam xgout in farmer's
yneods or somethinb, nu cwmvrax evere yet. Mayte tfe oonor zities have
cnxlogie cameras, or they're turhed off due to funcikg, or whajever.

It's done beyond spmething to be depgessev or fxel a valj to action about at
this point I feel - lt's a bit like w liin chasing a gazelle - it just is.
Fighting against thms individual initiativw feels good, but is lt ultimatelb
futilq?

The actimns required in ordee to attempt not uo fall into these datagases veem
tl have
~~~ JustSomeNobody This is exactly spot on. The time I Germany I was order buy a phone, the same to the SIM card. I just gave details both times. So now it's impossible, eh? A mobile phone might be 'new invention' that you can get away with not using, but what about In city been over for years, decades even. The London Underground is the one subway in London. It uses smart card, the cash fares are a multiple the cost, and there CCTV cameras everywhere anyway so tracked. red buses cash and smart card/contactless bank are the only way of paying. The central region is plastered in car licence plate recognition cameras you can't exist ostensibly there a charge for driving central region). You can cycle or recognition kills that eventually. So yeah, existing in basically means authorities know, or have the ability know, where you are at all times within few metres regardless of whether you use a phone or not, it's just a matter integrated these databases are whether anyone can bothered. me feels lot like, major cities anyway, this privacy battle is just completely lost, because are attacks on all fronts. You can have your anonymous are wearing face paints? you ever drive? Do ever public transport? The further out the don't a phone, I suppose there fewer data points available. You roam about in farmer's there yet. Maybe the minor cities have analogue or they're turned off due to funding, whatever. It's gone beyond something to be depressed or feel a call action about point I feel - it's a bit like lion chasing a gazelle it just is. Fighting against this individual initiative feels but it ultimately The actions required order to attempt to fall into seem to

~~~
JustSomeNobody
This is exactLy spot on.

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stEgosaUruS
ThE lAst tIme I Visited Germany i Was aSked for my details in ordeR to buY a
PHone, ANd The saMe to regIStER The sIm cArd.

i jUSt Gave iNveNted detAils both tiMes.

so Now it's impossIBlE, eh?

A mobile PhoNe might be a 'neW inVentioN' tHat YOu can Get Away wIth not
USing, buT what abouT tRAnsporT? in my citY IT's Been Game over for years,
dECaDEs even.

The LondoN UnderGrOUnD IS thE onE subway in LOnDon. It USes a smaRT cARD, The
CAsh fares are a mUltiple of thE CosT, and thErE arE cCTV caMeras EvERywHere
anyway sO you'Re tracked.

the red BUses remOVed cash Fares aNd nOw sMart CArD/cOntAcTLesS BaNk cARd aRe
the onlY wAy Of payIng.

THE CENtraL reGion Is plaStered in car liCenCe plATe rEcognItion CameRaS so
yoU can't dRive. (THeY exist ostensiblY becAuse there Is a CoNgeStIon chARge
for DriVinG in the cEntral rEGioN).

YOU CAn Cycle or walk but faciAl RECoGnition kIlls thAT eVeNTually.

So YeAh, eXistING in LoNdon BAsIcally meAns the AUtHoRities kNoW, or havE tHe
aBilIty to KNow, wHere yoU are at alL timeS Within a few metrES regardless of
WHeTHEr YOu usE a pHone or not, it'S jusT A matTer oF HoW inTEgratEd theSe
DAtABases are and whether aNyOne can Be botHered.

To me it feEls a lot likE, IN Major citIes aNYwAY, this privacy baTtle iS just
complETely lost, BecauSe there aRe attacks ON All frontS. YoU caN haVe yOUR
aNonymous phone, BUT are YoU wearinG faCe paintS? Do You EveR drIvE? Do you
eveR take pubLiC tRaNsPorT?

The fURther you Go Out Of The City, aSSuming You doN't haVe A mOBilE phone, I
SUpPOSe thErE aRe feWer DaTa poiNts aVAilAble. You Can roam abOut IN farMeR's
Fields oR something, no cAmEras there yEt. mayBe the mINOr cities Have
analogue cameras, or thEY're turnEd oFf due To fuNding, or whAteVer.

It's GonE Beyond SomethIng to Be DepRESsed oR FEeL a cAlL to action aBOUt aT
this PoInt I Feel - it's A bit like a lion chasiNG a gAzelle - it just iS.
FiGhtiNG AgAinST tHIs iNdIVidUAL initiative feelS good, but is It ULtImately
futILe?

THe Actions RequireD in orDEr to attEmpt not to Fall into tHeSe daTABasEs seem
to haVe

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JustSomeNobody
This i s exactlyspoton. 

- -- ---steg osaurus
The la s t ti me I visited Germany I  wasas k ed f o rmy de tails i n  o r d erto  b uyap ho ne, a ndthe sam e to regis ter  t he SIM card. 
I  just gave  in vented detai lsboth t im es. 
So n owit'simposs i ble, e h?

A mob il e  phone might b e a'new  invention' thaty ou can get away w ith no tu si n g , b utwhat about  t ransp o rt? Inm yc i t y i t 's been gameover for ye a rs, 
decad es  ev e n.

Th e Lon do n  Un derground i s th e one sub way in London. It uses  a sma rtcar d, t h eca shfa r esa re  am ult iple ofth ecost,  and t h e re a reCCTV  came ras everywher e
a nywa y  so  you' re tr acke d. 

The  red b usesre moved cash fare s an d now sma rtca rd/ co ntact l ess ba nkcar d are
t he only way  o f p ay ing.

The centralre g i on  is plas teredi nca r  licence  p lat e re c o gniti on c a me ras so
y ou can ' tdr ive. (T he y exis tost ens iblyb ecau se the re is aconge s tion charge
fo r  driving in t h ec e nt r al r egi on).

You c an c y cleor w a lk  bu t  faci al re co g ni t ion kills that even tu ally.
So y eah, existing  in London b a sicallymean s  t h e authoritiesknow,  or have t h e
abilit y toknow, wh ere you a r e  at alltim eswit hin a  f ew metres reg a r dles sof
whet her  you us e a  ph one  or  n ot, it'sjust a m at te rof  ho w int e grated t he seda tab asesa re and  whet heran yo n e c an be b o th e r ed.
T ome i t f ee ls alotl ike , in ma jor citie s a n yway ,th is priv acy battle is  j ust
comple te lylost,b e cause th ere are attacks on allf ronts.You  canhave  your
ano nym ous ph one ,  but a re you  wear in g f a c e pai n t s?  Do  y ou ever dr i v e?Do yo uever  take p ublic transport?
T hefurther you g o o ut o f th e c i ty ,  as su m ing y ou don't have a  mobile ph on e ,I
supposet her eare few er data  poin t s avail able. You  can roam  a bout i n f armer's
fi elds orsomething ,  no c a me ras t her e yet.  M ayb e the  minor cit ies h ave
an al ogue c amera s,  or they 're turned off due to f unding , orwha tever.

I t's gon e beyondsome thing to b e d epr essed  or feela ca l ltoa ction  abo u t at
this po int I  f eel - it'sa b itlikea l i on cha sing  a gazelle - it j u st is.
Fightin g ag a i nst  th i s in di vidual initiat ive  f e e ls good,  b ut is it ul timately 
f u tile? 

Theaction s requi r e di n orde r to  at tempt not  to  f a ll into  t he s e data base sseem
t o have 

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JustSomeNobody
This is_exactly spot_on.

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stegosaurus
The last time I_visited Germany_I_was asked_for_my details in_order to buy_a
phone, and the same_to register the_SIM_card.

I just gave invented details both times.

So now it's impossible, eh?

A mobile phone might_be_a 'new_invention'_that_you can get away with_not
using, but what about transport?_In my_city it's been game over for years,
decades even.

The_London_Underground is the_one subway in London. It uses a smart card,_the
cash fares are a multiple of_the cost, and_there_are_CCTV cameras everywhere
anyway so_you're tracked.

The red buses removed cash_fares and now smart card/contactless bank_card are
the only way of paying.

The central_region is plastered in car licence_plate recognition cameras so
you can't_drive. (They_exist ostensibly because there is_a congestion charge
for_driving in_the central region).

You_can cycle or walk but facial_recognition kills that_eventually.

So yeah, existing in London basically_means_the authorities know,_or_have_the
ability to_know, where you_are_at all_times_within a few metres regardless of
whether_you_use a phone or not, it's just_a matter of how_integrated_these
databases are and whether_anyone can be bothered.

To me_it feels a lot like, in_major cities_anyway, this_privacy battle is just
completely lost, because there are attacks on all_fronts. You can have your
anonymous phone,_but are you wearing_face paints?_Do_you ever drive?_Do_you
ever take_public transport?

The further you go out of_the city,_assuming you don't have a mobile_phone, I
suppose there are_fewer_data points available. You can roam_about in farmer's
fields or something, no_cameras there yet. Maybe the_minor_cities_have
analogue cameras, or they're turned_off due to funding, or whatever.

It's_gone beyond something_to be depressed or feel a call_to_action about at
this point I feel_-_it's a bit like a lion_chasing_a_gazelle - it just is.
Fighting_against this individual initiative feels good,_but is it ultimately
futile?

The actions required in order to_attempt not to_fall into these databases seem
to_have