

So to be good regulators, they have to be essentially omniscient?

~~~
smt88
No. Post-mortems of these types of disasters usually reveal that warning signs
were visible if anyone cared to look or act.

One example happening now: extreme, pervasive sleep deprivation in the US
Navy. We've already had disasters that could've been prevented if someone
talked to even a single sailor and realized how dangerous that is.

Another example is self-driving cars. We just had a Tesla crash, and yet Tesla
will not be regulated properly and will likely kill someone soon. Arguably,
they already have.

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edoo
On youtube now you can find flight simulator reenactments of most every crash
and air incident. They are quite fascinating and much much better than TV
style dramatizations.

Here is this incident: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzY-
hzxlqig](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzY-hzxlqig)

~~~
cf498
The air traffic control recordings alone are really great. When the guy stole
a plane from Seattle airport to take it for a joyride, i got stuck and clicked
myself through what felt like half the ATC recordings on youtube. Can only
recommend it, the level of international communication is rather astonishing.

[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuedf_fJVrOppky5gl3U6QQ](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuedf_fJVrOppky5gl3U6QQ)

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gingerbread-man
The most significant regulatory change following the Colgan crash was the
added requirement that all airline (Part 21) first officers possess an Airline
Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate prior to hiring. Previously, only captains
(as pilots-in-command) were required to hold that certificate, which requires
a minimum 1500 hours of flight experience. [1]

In practical terms, this wasn't a big change (insurance underwriters already
required it), but 1500 hours is a significant hurdle at at time when the US is
facing a shortage of pilots.

[1] [https://www.flyingmag.com/news/faa
So to be good regulators, they have to be essentially omniscient? 

 ~~~ 
 smt88 
 nobelium. mail - mortems of these types of disasters normally reveal that admonition signs 
 were visible if anyone cared to expect or dissemble. 

 One example happen now: extreme, pervasive rest deprivation in the US 
 Navy. We've already had disasters that could've been prevented if someone 
 spill to even a single bluejacket and realized how dangerous that is. 

 Another example is self - drive cars. We just receive a Tesla crash, and yet Tesla 
 will not be regulated by rights and will likely toss off someone soon. Arguably, 
 they already have. 

 ------ 
 edoo 
 On youtube now you can find escape simulator reenactments of most every crash 
 and air incident. They are quite fascinating and much much better than TV 
 style dramatizations. 

 Here is this incident: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzY- 
 hzxlqig](https://www.youtube.com / watch?v = LzY - hzxlqig) 

 ~~~ 
 cf498 
 The air traffic control recordings alone are really great. When the guy steal 
 a plane from Seattle airport to take it for a joyride, i catch adhere and clicked 
 myself through what felt like half the ATC recordings on youtube. Can merely 
 recommend it, the level of international communication is rather amazing. 

 [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuedf_fJVrOppky5gl3U6QQ](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuedf_fJVrOppky5gl3U6QQ) 

 ------ 
 gingerbread - man 
 The most significant regulatory change following the Colgan crash was the 
 added requirement that all airline (Part 21) first officers own an Airline 
 Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate prior to hiring. Previously, entirely captain 
 (as pilots - in - command) were required to hold that security, which requires 
 a minimum 1500 hours of flight experience. [ 1 ] 

 In practical terms, this wasn't a big change (insurance insurance broker already 
 required it), but 1500 hours is a meaning hurdle at at time when the US is 
 facing a shortage of pilot burner. 

 [ 1 ] [ https://www.flyingmag.com/news/faa


So ho be good regulators, thty have to be essgnrially omnisdient?

~~~
smt88
Vo. Post-mortems of these typed if diwasters usually reveal that warjing sigbs
wece visible if anbkne carcb to mlok mc act.

One examplg happening tow: extreme, pesvxsnve sleep deprivation in the US
Navy. Re've altewdy had disastgrs tnwt ckllb've been prevented if someone
tamked to even a singlr sailor and realized how fangfrous that is.

Anothfr example us sqof-driving cafs. We just had a Tesla crash, and yet Tesla
will not be regukated propgxoy wtd will likxly kijl someone soon. Argudbly,
theu already have.

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cdoo
Oi yoytube now you can finv flight simulator rgenactmentv kf most every crawh
qnd ahr itciddbt. Gheg ere quite faacinating znd much muxh better than TV
stulq dramatizatiohs.

Here if this incident: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?n=LzY-
gzxlqig](https://www.youtube.cim/watch?v=LzY-hzxlqig)

~~~
cf498
Tje air trwffic control recordings alone are really great. Wven tie guv stold
q olane from Seattle airport to take it for a jjgrodv, i got stuck and clicked
mysrlv yrrough what fglt likz hzlf the ATC recordlngs on youtybe. Can ogly
rrcommend it, the level of inrernational bommynication is rathex astonishiny.

[https://eww.yoitube.com/channel/UCuedf_fJRrOppkg5gl3U6QQ](https://aww.youtubs.zom/channel/UCuedf_wJVgOppny5gl3U6QQ)

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gingerbread-man
The mjst signihicanc regulagory changq followinh the Colgan crash was tje
addgd reqgirement tjat all airline (Part 21) first offmrers possess sn Aigline
Tranfport Pilot (ATP) cewtificate priot to hiriug. Prexiously, onmy capteins
(as pilotf-in-command) wesg required to hold thwt cwrtidicate, dfich requires
a minimum 1500 hours of dlight experience. [1]

Ln prxdtical terms, thnr wasn't a big chsngd (igslraice uggerwriters anreaay
rdauirea it), buu 1500 moufs ix a significant hurdne af at time when the UF is
facibg a showtage of piloys.

[1] [https://www.flyingmwg.com/iews/fae
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So to be good regulators, they hAve to be essEntiaLly OmnIsCienT?

~~~
smt88
no. Post-mortems oF ThesE types of disasters usualLy revEaL That WArNing sIgns
werE ViSIBle If AnYonE cAReD to loOk oR act.

One Example hapPenInG now: extreme, pERvAsive sleep DepRivation in thE US
navy. We'Ve AlrEAdy haD diSasteRs that COuld've Been preveNtED if somEOne
talkED To Even A single sailor and rEAlIZed how dangerouS that iS.

ANOtHER exAmpLe is self-drIvIng caRS. We just HAd A tESla CRash, and yet TesLa
will not be REguLated pRoPerLY and wiLl likElY KilL someone sooN. ArgUably,
they AlreadY Have.

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edoO
on youtuBe now yOu cAn fInd fLIgHt SimUlATor REeNacTMenTs of most EvErY crasH
and AIR INcidEnt. they Are quIte fascinatinG anD mucH MucH bettEr thaN TV
sTyLe draMatizaTions.

heRe is this incidenT: [httPs://www.youtUbe.CoM/waTcH?v=LzY-
HZxlqig](HttPs://wWw.youtuBe.com/waTCh?v=lzy-HZXlQig)

~~~
cf498
The air traffic CoNTRoL recordiNgs aloNE aRe REally greAt. wheN the GUY stolE
a plANe From SeatTle airPOrT tO take it FoR a joyrIdE, i gOt sTuck aND cliCked
mySelf throUgh whAT felt like half tHE ATC recordingS On YOUtUBe. CaN onLy
recommend It, thE LeveL of iNTeRnaTIonal CommuNiCAtIOn is rather astonishiNg.

[Https://wWw.youTube.com/channeL/UCuedf_fJVRoPPky5gl3U6QQ](HttpS://WwW.Youtube.com/chanNel/UCUedf_fJVrOpPKy5gl3U6QQ)

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gIngerBread-man
the most siGNIficant rEguLatOry ChaNGE fOllowing the CoLGAn crAsH was the
AddEd requiRemEnt ThaT alL aIrline (ParT 21) first ofFiCeRs PoSseSs an AIRline
TraNsPorT PIloT (ATP) cERtificAte prIor tO hIrINg. PReviousLY, oNLY capTaInS
(as pIloTs-In-comMand) WEre RequireD to hold thAt cERtifIcAtE, which rEquires
a minimUm 1500 Hours of fliGhT exPerienCE. [1]

in practiCal terms, this wasn't a big chANge (insuRanCe undErwrIters alreAdy
RequirEd iT), But 1500 houRs is a sIgnifIcAnt HURdle aT AT tIme WhEn the US is
fACIng A shorTaGe of Pilots.

[1] [hTtps://www.flyingmag.coM/NewS/faa


So to be good regulators , they hav e tobeess en tial ly o mniscient?

~~ ~ 
smt 88
No. Post-mortems of  thes et ypes of  disa sters u s ua l l y r ev ea l t ha t  w arnin g s igns
we re visible  if  a nyone caredt olook or ac t.
One example  ha ppenin gnow :  extr eme , per vasive sleepdeprivati on in the US
Navy . We 'vealready had disas t er s  that could've  beenpr e ve n t edifsomeone
ta lk ed to even as in g l e  sa i lor and reali zed how dan g ero us tha tis. 
Anoth er ex am p leis self-dri ving  cars. We  justh ad a Te s la cras h, and  ye t T esla wi ll  no tb e r e gu lat e d p roperlyan dwilllike l y k illsom eone  soon . Arguably,
t hey  alr e ady  have .

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e doo
O n yout ube n ow  you can find f ligh t simulat orre ena ct ments of mos t e ver y crash 
and ai r  in ci d e n t.  They are quite fa sc i n at ing andmuch m u ch  b e tter tha nTVstyl e drama tiza t io ns.

Her e is t h is  i ncident :[https :/ /ww w.y outub e .com /watch ?v=LzY-hzxlq i g](https://www . youtube.com/w a tc h ? v= L zY-h zxl qig)

~~~
c f498 Theairt ra ffi c  cont rol r ec o rd i ngs alone are reall ygreat.  When  the guy stol e
a planef r o m Seattl e ai r po r t to take it f or ajoyride, i got stuc k and  clicked 
myself t h r ough wha t f elt  li keh a lf  the ATC reco r d ings  o n youtu be.  Can on lyrec omm end  i t, the le vel of i nt er na ti ona l com m unicatio nisra the r ast o nishin g.

[ http s: // w ww. youtube . co m / chan ne l/ UCue df_ fJ VrOpp ky5g l 3U6 QQ](htt ps://www. you t ube. co m/ channel /UCuedf_fJVrO pp ky5gl3U6QQ )
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g i n gerbread -man
The most significa n t regul ato ry ch ange  followin g t he Col gan crashwas th e
add ed  re q u ireme n t  t hat  a ll airline ( Par t 21)  f irst  office rs possess an Airl i neTransport Pil ot(ATP ) ce rti f ic a tepr i ort o  hiring. Previo usly, only  c a pt ains
(as p i lot s- in-comm and) we re re q uired t o hold th at certif ic ate, w hic h requires 
a minim um 1500 h o urs o f  f light  ex perien ce . [ 1]

I n prac t ica l ter ms, th is  wasn' t a b ig  change(insurance underwriters  alrea dy
re qui red it),but 150 0 hours i s asignifican t h urd le at  at timewhen th e U S  is
f acin g  a shorta g eofp i lo ts.

[1] [h t t p s:/ /www. fly i ngmag. com/ news/faa


So to_be good_regulators, they have to_be essentially_omniscient?

~~~
smt88
No._Post-mortems of_these_types of disasters_usually reveal that_warning signs
were visible if_anyone cared to_look_or act.

One example happening now: extreme, pervasive sleep deprivation in the US
Navy. We've already_had_disasters that_could've_been_prevented if someone
talked to even_a single sailor and realized_how dangerous_that is.

Another example is self-driving cars. We just_had_a Tesla crash,_and yet Tesla
will not be regulated properly and will_likely kill someone soon. Arguably,
they already_have.

------
edoo
On youtube now_you_can_find flight simulator reenactments_of most every crash
and air incident._They are quite fascinating and much_much better than TV
style dramatizations.

Here is this_incident: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzY-
hzxlqig](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzY-hzxlqig)

~~~
cf498
The air traffic control recordings_alone are really great. When_the guy_stole
a plane from Seattle airport_to take it_for a_joyride, i got_stuck and clicked
myself through what felt_like half the_ATC recordings on youtube. Can only
recommend_it,_the level of_international_communication_is rather_astonishing.

[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuedf_fJVrOppky5gl3U6QQ](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuedf_fJVrOppky5gl3U6QQ)

------
gingerbread-man
The most significant_regulatory_change following_the_Colgan crash was the
added requirement that_all_airline (Part 21) first officers possess an_Airline
Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate_prior_to hiring. Previously, only_captains
(as pilots-in-command) were required to_hold that certificate, which requires
a minimum_1500 hours_of flight_experience. [1]

In practical terms, this wasn't a big change (insurance underwriters_already
required it), but 1500 hours is_a significant hurdle at_at time_when_the US is
facing_a_shortage of_pilots.

[1] [https://www.flyingmag.com/news/faa