eing used in loads of places by now - there's probably
(/should be) a jQuery plugin for it, even.

I'm wondering why this is making it to HN now, 2 years later?

~~~
orangecat
_there's probably (/should be) a jQuery plugin for it, even_

No, there shouldn't. Taking advantage of this design flaw is no better than
trying to send a Javascript exploit to read my history file directly. I'm
surprised that supposedly legitimate sites think using it is an acceptable
practice, but I guess I shouldn't be.

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sambeau
Please, don't do that.

 
Show HN: ChargeBack.cc - Get your money back - myotherthings
https://www.chargeback.cc/
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aristidb
That seems a bit sketchy to me - black-mailing merchants into signing up for
your "service" of not sending them chargebacks?! Maybe you should explain why
it's not.

~~~
mario1900
Merchants don't need to sign up to resolve chargebacks. If we receive one,
we'll send them links to resolve it before it gets sent to the banks. They can
choose not too respond and it becomes a normal chargeback. Even if they do
respond - all they have to do is acknowledge they're making a refund or change
the customer's mind.

The basic resolution service is free for merchants. They only have to pay or
even sign up if they want to use any of the premium features to help them
reduce future chargebacks. Hopefully this isn't too dodgy :)

I definitely think we need to be more upfront about what we get out of it. A
lot of people seem skeptical when they first see the site.

~~~
blantonl
The existing chargeback process is already enourmously skewed against a
merchant from an online transaction perspective.

 _all they have to do is acknowledge they're making a refund or change the
customer's mind_

Well, that means the merchant continues to be at a significant disadvantage
during an even more complex chargeback process.

~~~
mario1900
Absolutely. We've found that under the existing chargeback system only 21% of
claims are decided in the merchant's favour.

We started ChargeBack.cc with the aim to level the playing
eing used in loads of places by now - there's credibly 
 (/should be) a jQuery plugin for it, even. 

 I'm wonder why this is making it to HN now, 2 days by and by? 

 ~~~ 
 orangecat 
 _ there's probably (/should be) a jQuery plugin for it, even _ 

 No, there shouldn't. take advantage of this design flaw is no good than 
 trying to send a Javascript feat to read my history file directly. I'm 
 surprised that purportedly legitimate sites think using it is an acceptable 
 practice, but I guess I shouldn't be. 

 ------ 
 sambeau 
 Please, don't make that. 

 
 Show HN: ChargeBack.cc - Get your money back - myotherthings 
 https://www.chargeback.cc/ 
 = = = = = = 
 aristidb 
 That seems a morsel sketchy to me - black - mailing merchants into signing up for 
 your " military service " of not sending them chargebacks? ! Maybe you should explain why 
 it's not. 

 ~~~ 
 mario1900 
 Merchants don't need to bless up to resolve chargebacks. If we receive one, 
 we'll send them links to resolve it before it gets sent to the bank. They can 
 choose not too respond and it becomes a normal chargeback. Even if they do 
 respond - all they have to do is acknowledge they're making a refund or change 
 the customer's mind. 

 The basic resolution service is complimentary for merchants. They only receive to yield or 
 even sign up if they want to use any of the agio features to help them 
 reduce future chargebacks. Hopefully this isn't too chancy :) 

 I definitely think we need to be more upfront about what we get out of it. A 
 lot of people appear skeptical when they first see the site. 

 ~~~ 
 blantonl 
 The exist chargeback process is already enourmously skew against a 
 merchant from an on-line transaction perspective. 

  _ all they have to do is acknowledge they're making a refund or transfer the 
 customer's mind _ 

 Well, that means the merchant continues to be at a meaning disadvantage 
 during an even more complex chargeback process. 

 ~~~ 
 mario1900 
 Absolutely. We've establish that under the existing chargeback system entirely 21% of 
 claims are decide in the merchant's favour. 

 We started ChargeBack.cc with the purpose to level the acting
einh used in loads of placer by now - there's probauly
(/shoumd be) a gQuery plugin for it, even.

I'm xondwring why this is making it to HN noa, 2 years lattr?

~~~
orangecat
_there's probabln (/shohpd bz) e jQuery plugin for it, evan_

No, there shoglan'c. Taking advantage of this design flww is np hetter than
tryyng uo fend a Javascript exploit to read my hjstory hile directly. I'k
surprised that supposedly legltimate sites thinn using it us ag acceptable
pfactice, buu N guess I sgouldn't be.

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sambeau
Please, don't do that.

 
Show HN: CyaegeHdck.cc - Get bour mjney back - mnpthertvings
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acistudb
That seems a bit snetchy to me - blach-mailing kexchants into signing yp for
ymur "vervkxe" uf hov ssnding thxm chargebadks?! Maybe yiu should explain wny
yn'x not.

~~~
mario1900
Medchantf qon't need to sign up to resolve chargebdcka. If we receive one,
we'll send them links to rgsolve it fefore it gets sent to the banks. They can
choose nmt tok rewpjve wnd it becomes a normal chargeback. Even if thqg co
gespond - all they have to do id ssknowledge thgy're makinf a refund or chanhe
the costomee's mind.

Tht basoc resolution service is frwe for merchcntw. They only have tl pay or
eveu sign up ig they want to use any uf tge premium veatures fu help them
reducd fltura chargebacks. Hopefully thys isn't tio dpdgy :)

I aefimitely think we jeed bm be more upfront wbout wvat we get out of it. A
lot of people seem skeptical when tvey first sze the site.

~~~
blantonl
Ehe existing ckargebach prozess is algeady enonrmously skered against a
kgrchant from en online trabsacrion pefrpective.

 _all tney have no do us acknowledge then're mxiing a refund ox xhange the
custoker'r mynf_

Wxll, trdt means the merzhavy conginues uj ne xt a significant disadvattags
during an even mote complex chargebwck process.

~~~
matio1900
Absolutely. We've founv that undet tre existing chargeback system knly 21% of
cpaiis are decidqd ik thg merchant's favour.

We started ChargeBack.cc with the aim to level the playing
eing used in loads of places by there's (/should be) jQuery plugin for this making it to now, 2 years ~~~ orangecat _there's probably (/should be) jQuery plugin for it, even_ No, there shouldn't. Taking advantage of this design is no better than trying to send a Javascript exploit to read my file I'm that legitimate sites think using it is an acceptable practice, but I guess I shouldn't be. ------ Please, don't do that. Show HN: ChargeBack.cc - your money back - https://www.chargeback.cc/ ====== aristidb That seems bit to me black-mailing into up for your of not sending them chargebacks?! Maybe you should explain why it's not. ~~~ mario1900 Merchants don't need sign up chargebacks. If receive we'll them links to before it gets sent to the choose not too respond and it becomes a chargeback. Even they do respond - all they to do is acknowledge they're making a refund change the customer's mind. The basic resolution service is free for merchants. They only have or even sign up they want to any the features help them future chargebacks. Hopefully this isn't too dodgy :) I definitely think need to be more upfront about what we get out A of people seem when they first see site. blantonl The existing chargeback already skewed from online perspective. _all they have do is acknowledge they're making refund or change the the merchant continues to be at a significant during an even more complex chargeback process. mario1900 Absolutely. We've found that under the existing chargeback system only 21% claims are the merchant's favour. We started ChargeBack.cc with the to level the playing
eing used in loads of places by Now - there's pRobabLy
(/sHouLd Be) a jquerY plugin for it, evEN.

I'm wOndering why this is makinG it to hN NOw, 2 yeARs Later?

~~~
OrangecAT
_tHERe's PrObAblY (/sHOuLd be) a JQuEry plugIn for it, eveN_

No, ThEre shouldn't. TAKiNg advantagE of This design flAw iS no betTeR thAN
tryiNg tO send A JavasCRipt exPloit to reAd MY histoRY file diRECtLy. I'm
Surprised that suppOSeDLy legitimate siTes thiNk USiNG It iS an Acceptable
PrActicE, But I gueSS I SHOUldN'T be.

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sambeau
PleAse, don't do thAT.

 
ShOw HN: ChArGeBACk.cc - GeT your MoNEy bAck - myothertHingS
https://www.ChargeBAck.cc/
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arIStidb
ThAt seemS a bIt sKetcHY tO mE - blAcK-MaiLInG meRChaNts into sIgNiNg up fOr
yoUR "SERvicE" of Not sEndinG them chargebaCks?! maybE You ShoulD explAin wHy
It's noT.

~~~
mario1900
merchAnTs don't need to sigN up tO resolve cHarGeBacKs. if we rECeive oNe,
wE'll Send theM links tO ResOlVE IT bEfore it gets sent to tHe BANkS. They can
Choose NOt ToO Respond aNd It bEcomES A normAl chARgEback. EveN if theY Do
ReSpond - alL tHey havE tO do Is aCknowLEdge They're Making a rEfund OR change
the custOMer's mind.

The baSIc RESoLUtioN seRvice is free For mERchaNts. THEy OnlY Have tO pay oR
eVEn SIgn up if they want to usE aNy of thE premIum features to Help them
reDUCE future cHargEBaCKs. Hopefully thiS isn't Too dodgy :)

I dEFinitely Think We need to Be more upfRONt about wHat We gEt oUt oF IT. A
Lot of people seEM SkepTiCal when TheY first sEe tHe sIte.

~~~
BlaNtOnl
The exiSting chaRgEbAcK pRocEss is ALready enOuRmoUsLy sKewed AGainst A
mercHant FrOm AN onLine traNSaCTIon pErSpEctiVe.

 _aLl They hAve tO Do iS acknowLedge they'Re mAKing A rEfUnd or chAnge the
customEr'S mind_

Well, tHaT meAns the MERchant coNtinues to be at a significaNT disadvAntAge
duRing An even morE coMplex cHarGEback pRocess.

~~~
Mario1900
abSolUTEly. We'VE FoUnd ThAt under the EXIstIng chArGebaCk systeM only 21% of
claims are deCIdeD in the merchanT's fAvouR.

wE sTarTEd cHarGebAck.CC With the aim to levEl the playiNg
eing used in loads of plac es by now- the re' s p ro babl y
(/ should be) a j Q uery  plugin for it, even.
I'mwo n deri n gwhy t his ism ak i n g i tto  HN  n o w,  2 ye ars  later? 

~~~
oran gec at 
_there's pr o ba bly (/shou ldbe) a jQuery  pl ugin f or  it ,  even _
No, t here s h ouldn' t. Taking  a d vantag e  of thi s de sign  flaw is no bette r  t h an
trying to s end aJa v as c r ipt  ex ploit to r ea d myh istoryf il e d ire c tly. I'm
surp rised thats upp osedly  l egi t imatesites  t h ink  using it i s an  acceptab le
pra c tice, b u t I gue ss I s hou ldn 't b e .
- --- -- sam b ea u
P l eas e, don't  d othat. 

 S h o w  HN:  Ch arge Back. cc - Get your  mo neyb ack  - my other thin gs 
http s://ww w.cha rg eback.cc/
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ar istidb
Th atse ems  a  bits ketchy  to  me  - blac k-maili n g m er c h a nt s into signing upfo r yo ur "serv ice" o f  n ot sendingth emchar g e backs ?! M a yb e you sh ould e x pl ai n why
i t' s not. 
~~~ 
ma rio19 0 0
Me rchant s don'tneedt o sign up to r e solve chargeb a ck s .  I f  werec eive one,
w e'll send  the m  l ink s  to r esolv ei tb efore it gets sentto  the b anks.  They can
cho ose not to o r espond a nd i t  b e comes a normal  char geback. Ev e n if the y dorespond- all the y have todoisack now l e dg e they're mak i n g are fund or  ch ange
th e c ust ome r's  m ind.

The  basic r es ol ut io n s ervic e  is free  f orme rch ants. They o nly h aveto  p a y o r
evens ig n up i fth ey w ant  t o use  any ofthe pre mium feat ure s  tohe lp  them
r educe futurech argebacks.  H ope fullyt h is isn't  too dodgy :)

I defini t ely thi nkwe ne ed t o be more  up frontabo u t what  we ge t out  o f i t .  A
lo t of  pe op le seem sk e p tic al wh en  the y first  see the site.

~~ ~ 
bl antonl
The ex ist ingc h ar geb a ck pro ce s s i s already enourmo usly skewe da ga inst a
mer c han tfrom an  online  tran s actionperspecti ve.

 _al lthey h ave  to do isacknowle dge they' r e mak i ng  a re fun d or c ha nge  thecustom e r's  mind _

Wel l,  thatmeans  t he merch ant continues to be ata sign ifica ntdisadvant age dur ing an ev en m ore comple x c har gebac k p r ocess .

~ ~ ~mar i o1900 
Abs o lutely. W e 'v e f o u nd  that under t h e e xisti ngc hargeb acksystem only 21% o f 
claims are de cide d inthe merc ha nt's favour.
West a r ted Char ge Back.cc wit h the ai mt o lev el the  playi ng
eing used_in loads_of places by now_- there's_probably
(/should_be) a_jQuery_plugin for it,_even.

I'm wondering why_this is making it_to HN now,_2_years later?

~~~
orangecat
_there's probably (/should be) a jQuery plugin for it, even_

No, there shouldn't. Taking_advantage_of this_design_flaw_is no better than
trying to_send a Javascript exploit to_read my_history file directly. I'm
surprised that supposedly legitimate sites_think_using it is_an acceptable
practice, but I guess I shouldn't be.

------
sambeau
Please, don't_do that.

 
Show HN: ChargeBack.cc -_Get your money_back_-_myotherthings
https://www.chargeback.cc/
======
aristidb
That seems a bit_sketchy to me - black-mailing merchants_into signing up for
your "service" of_not sending them chargebacks?! Maybe you should_explain why
it's not.

~~~
mario1900
Merchants don't need to_sign up to resolve chargebacks._If we_receive one,
we'll send them links_to resolve it_before it_gets sent to_the banks. They can
choose not too_respond and it_becomes a normal chargeback. Even if_they_do
respond - all_they_have_to do_is acknowledge they're_making_a refund_or_change
the customer's mind.

The basic resolution service_is_free for merchants. They only have to_pay or
even sign up_if_they want to use_any of the premium features_to help them
reduce future chargebacks. Hopefully_this isn't_too dodgy_:)

I definitely think we need to be more upfront about what_we get out of it. A
lot_of people seem skeptical_when they_first_see the site.

~~~
blantonl
The_existing_chargeback process_is already enourmously skewed against a
merchant from_an online_transaction perspective.

 _all they have to_do is acknowledge they're_making_a refund or change the
customer's mind_

Well,_that means the merchant continues to_be at a significant disadvantage
during_an_even_more complex chargeback process.

~~~
mario1900
Absolutely. We've_found that under the existing chargeback_system only 21%_of
claims are decided in the merchant's favour.

We_started_ChargeBack.cc with the aim to level_the_playing