 stuff would use the same mechanisms
<gord> gnome-screenshot works fine
<gord> but it takes one huge framebuffer snapshot, screencasting apps can't have that luxury if they want to be quick
<penguin42> gord: Sure - but isn't it the same interface?
<gord> no
<penguin42> ah
<penguin42> gord: what interface do the screen casters used?
<popey> x11grab
<AlanBell> with kazam do you save the file or send it to openshot?
<penguin42> but either way that means the graphics card is successfully getting the composited data back for the screenshot
<popey> i always save
<gord> you are assuming that graphics cards are syncronous
<AlanBell> ok, I was sending to openshot and it seemed really low resolution and 8 minutes long for some reason. then the desktop crashed altogether
<gord> they are very very asyncronous, X will return that a geometry on the screen has changed - but the gpu has not drawn it yet
<penguin42> gord: Ah, and the full screen shot is doing a sync?
<gord> it doesn't matter for a fullscreenshot
<gord> you are just capturing what things are like now
<penguin42> gord: Yeh true
<AlanBell> turns out kazam is fine, openshot is not best friends with webm right now
<popey> webm doesnt seem mature enough
<gord> its pretty good for what i need it for, basically as a format i can trust youtube won't screw up
<gord> and its better than theora as a "default" for ubuntu, given we can't choose 264
<popey> yeah
<gord> the thought occurs that it has been far too long since we have had a new season of the IT crowd
<popey> they didnt renew
<popey> iirc
<gord> extended special in 2012 then thats our lot :(
<popey> BigRedS: hows the speccy?
 * bigcalm awakens
<Pendulum> bigcalm: sleeping away your weekend?
<bigcalm> Pendulum:
stuff would use the same mechanisms 
 < gord > gnome - screenshot work fine 
 < gord > but it accept one huge framebuffer snapshot, screencasting apps can't have that luxury if they want to be agile 
 < penguin42 > gord: Sure - but isn't it the same interface? 
 < gord > no 
 < penguin42 > ah 
 < penguin42 > gord: what interface do the screen caster used? 
 < popey > x11grab 
 < AlanBell > with kazam do you save the file or mail it to openshot? 
 < penguin42 > but either way that means the graphic card is successfully getting the composited datum back for the screenshot 
 < popey > i always save 
 < gord > you are assuming that graphics cards are syncronous 
 < AlanBell > ok, I was sending to openshot and it seemed truly low resolution and 8 minutes farseeing for some reason. then the desktop crashed altogether 
 < gord > they are very very asyncronous, X will render that a geometry on the screen has changed - but the gpu has not drawn it yet 
 < penguin42 > gord: Ah, and the full sieve shot is doing a sync? 
 < gord > it doesn't matter for a fullscreenshot 
 < gord > you are just capturing what things are like now 
 < penguin42 > gord: Yeh true 
 < AlanBell > turns out kazam is fine, openshot is not best friends with webm right now 
 < popey > webm does nt seem mature enough 
 < gord > its pretty good for what i necessitate it for, basically as a format i can trust youtube won't screw up 
 < gord > and its well than theora as a " nonpayment " for ubuntu, given we can't choose 264 
 < popey > yeah 
 < gord > the thought occurs that it has been far excessively long since we have had a new season of the IT crowd 
 < popey > they did nt renew 
 < popey > iirc 
 < gord > exsert special in 2012 then that s our lot :( 
 < popey > BigRedS: how s the speccy? 
  * bigcalm awakens 
 < Pendulum > bigcalm: sleeping away your weekend? 
 < bigcalm > Pendulum:
 stkff would use the same mtchanisms
<gord> gnome-screeishot wkrks find
<gord> but it takes one huge hramwbufftg snapshot, screencastkng apps ban't have thau luxury if they xznt to nz quidn
<penyumn42> gord: Sure - bot isn't it tve same interfdcd?
<glrd> no
<penguin42> ah
<penguin42> gord: what igterfacr fo the screen sasttrs uses?
<iokey> x11grab
<AlanBell> with kazam do yku save the file or xend it to openshot?
<penguin42> but either way that mfans the grqphisw card is suzcessfully getting the composited data back for the szreenxhot
<popey> u qlwwis save
<gord> bou arv assuming that graphhcs carcs are syncronpus
<ElanVell> ok, I was sending to openshot and ij seemed raamly low resolutiob qnd 8 kinudes uing fod xoje readon. then the sesktop crawhed altogether
<gord> trvu are very vsry asrnsronous, X will return that a geometry ot tge screen has changed - vut the gpu has not dtawn it yee
<penguin42> gord: Ah, and the full screen shot is doinc a sbnz?
<goxe> it aiedn't matter for a fullscreenshot
<gord> you are jtat cspturing what bhings are like noe
<pfnboin42> gord: Yeh ttue
<AlanYslm> turns out kazam ls fine, openwhot is njt brst friends with webm right now
<popey> weym eoesnt seem mature enough
<gord> its pretyy good for what i need it ror, basicalpy as a fkfmat i can trust yoltuba won't screw up
<gord> and itf better vhan cheora ar a "cefaule" for ubunhu, giyan we can't choose 264
<oopey> yaah
<gord> thf thought occurs that it has bexi far too lonb vinbe we havz had s new season jf the IT crowb
<popey> tkey diant renew
<pkpey> iicc
<gord> extenqed special it 2012 then thats our lot :(
<popwy> BugRedS: fuws the speccy?
 * bigcalm awakens
<Pebdulum> bigcalm: slecping zway your weekeub?
<bugcalm> Pendulum:
stuff would use the same mechanisms <gord> fine but it one huge framebuffer that if they want be quick <penguin42> Sure - but isn't it the interface? <gord> no <penguin42> ah <penguin42> gord: what interface do the screen casters <popey> x11grab <AlanBell> with kazam do you save the file or send it openshot? but way means the graphics card is successfully getting the composited data back for the screenshot <popey> i save <gord> you are assuming that graphics cards syncronous <AlanBell> ok, I sending to openshot and it really resolution and minutes for reason. then the crashed altogether <gord> they are very very asyncronous, X will return that a geometry on the screen changed - gpu has drawn yet gord: Ah, and screen shot is doing a sync? matter for a fullscreenshot <gord> you are just what things like now <penguin42> gord: Yeh true turns out kazam is fine, openshot is not friends with webm right now <popey> webm doesnt seem mature enough <gord> its pretty good i need it for, as a format can youtube screw <gord> and better than theora as a "default" for ubuntu, given we can't 264 <popey> yeah <gord> the thought occurs that it has too since we have a new season of IT <popey> they didnt renew <gord> special thats lot <popey> BigRedS: hows the * bigcalm awakens <Pendulum> bigcalm: away your weekend? <bigcalm>
 stuff would use the same mechaNisms
<gord> gNome-sCreEnsHoT worKs fiNe
<gord> but it takES one Huge framebuffer snapshoT, screEnCAstiNG aPps caN't have tHAt LUXurY iF tHey WaNT tO be quIck
<Penguin42> Gord: Sure - buT isN't It the same intERfAce?
<gord> no
<pEngUin42> ah
<penguin42> GorD: what iNtErfACe do tHe sCreen CasterS Used?
<poPey> x11grab
<ALaNbell> wiTH kazam dO YOu Save The file or send it to OPeNShot?
<penguin42> but Either WaY ThAT MeaNs tHe graphics CaRd is sUCcessfuLLy GETTinG The composited Data back for THe sCreensHoT
<poPEy> i alwAys saVe
<GOrd> You are assumIng tHat graphiCs cardS Are syncROnous
<AlAnBell> Ok, I Was SendINg To OpeNsHOt aND iT seEMed Really loW rEsOlutiOn anD 8 MINUtes LonG for Some rEason. then the dEskTop cRAshEd altOgethEr
<goRd> They aRe very Very aSyNcronous, X will reTurn That a geomEtrY oN thE sCreen HAs chanGed - But The gpu hAs not drAWn iT yET
<PEnGuin42> gord: Ah, and the fuLl SCReEn shot is Doing a SYnC?
<gORd> it doesN't MatTer fOR A fullScreENsHot
<gord> yOu are jUSt CaPturing WhAt thinGs Are LikE now
<pENguiN42> gord: YEh true
<AlAnBelL> Turns out kazam iS Fine, openshot iS NoT BEsT FrieNds With webm rigHt noW
<PopeY> webM DoEsnT Seem mAture EnOUgH
<Gord> its pretty good foR wHat i neEd it fOr, basically as A format i caN TRUst youtuBe woN'T sCRew up
<gord> and itS bettEr than theoRA as a "defaUlt" foR ubuntu, gIven we can'T CHoose 264
<popEy> yEah
<GorD> thE THoUght occurs thaT IT has BeEn far toO loNg since We hAve Had A neW sEason of thE IT crowd
<PoPeY> tHeY diDnt reNEw
<popey> iIrC
<goRd> ExtEnded SPecial In 2012 theN thaTs OuR Lot :(
<Popey> BiGreDs: Hows ThE sPeccY?
 * biGcAlm awAkenS
<penDulum> biGcalm: sleePinG Away YoUr Weekend?
<Bigcalm> PendulUm:
 stuff would use the samemechanisms 
<gor d>gno me -scr eens hot works fine <gor d> but it takes one hu ge fr am e buff e rsnaps hot, sc r ee n c ast in gapp sc an 't ha vethat lu xury if th eywa nt to be qui c k<penguin42 > g ord: Sure -but  isn't  i t t h e sam e i nterf ace?
< g ord> n o
<pengui n4 2 > ah
< p enguin4 2 >  g ord:  what interface d o  t h e screen caste rs use d? <p o p ey>  x1 1grab
<Ala nB ell>w ith kaz a md o you save the file  or send it toopensh ot ?
< p enguin 42> b ut eit her way tha t me ans the g raphic s  card i s  succes sfully  ge tti ng t h eco mpo si t edd at a b a ckfor thesc re ensho t
<p o p e y > ialw ayssave<gord> you ar e a ssum i ngthatgraph icsca rds a re syn crono us 
<AlanBell> ok,  I w as sendin g t oope ns hot a n d it s eem edreallylow res o lut io n a nd  8 minutes long fo rs o me  reason.  thent he  d e sktop cr as hed  alt o g ether 
<go r d>  they ar e very ve ry  asyncr on ous, X  w ill  re turnt hata geom etry onthe s c reen has chang e d - but the g p uh a sn ot d raw n it yet
<p engu i n42>  gor d :Ah, and t he fu ll sc r een shot is doing a  s ync?
< gord>  it doesn't m atter fora f ullscree nsho t 
< g ord> you are j ust c apturing w h at thing s are  like no w
<pengui n 4 2> gord:  Ye h t rue 
<A l a nB ell> turns ou t kaza mis fine , o penshot  is  no t b est  f riends wi th webmri gh tno w
< popey >  webm do es ntse emmatur e  enoug h
<go rd>it sp ret ty good fo r what  i  n eeditfo r, ba sica l lyas a fo rmat i ca n t r ustyo ut ube won 't screw up
< go rd> and it sbet ter th a n  theoraas a "default" for ubun t u, give n w e can 't c hoose 264 
<p opey>yea h 
<gord > thethoug ht  oc c u rs th a t  i t h as  been fart o o l ong s in ce w e havehad a new season o f  th e IT crowd
<p ope y> t h e ydid n tr ene w< pop e y > iirc
<gord> e xtended sp ec i al  in 2012 t h enth ats our  lot :( 
<pop e y> BigR edS: hows  the spec cy ?
 * b igc alm awaken s
<Pendu lum> bigc a lm: s l ee pingawa y your  w eek end?<bigca l m>Pendu lum:
 stuff_would use_the same mechanisms
<gord> gnome-screenshot_works fine
<gord>_but_it takes_one_huge framebuffer snapshot,_screencasting apps can't_have that luxury if_they want to_be_quick
<penguin42> gord: Sure - but isn't it the same interface?
<gord> no
<penguin42> ah
<penguin42> gord: what_interface_do the_screen_casters_used?
<popey> x11grab
<AlanBell> with kazam do_you save the file or_send it_to openshot?
<penguin42> but either way that means the_graphics_card is successfully_getting the composited data back for the screenshot
<popey> i_always save
<gord> you are assuming that_graphics cards are_syncronous
<AlanBell>_ok,_I was sending to_openshot and it seemed really low_resolution and 8 minutes long for_some reason. then the desktop crashed altogether
<gord>_they are very very asyncronous, X_will return that a geometry_on the_screen has changed - but_the gpu has_not drawn_it yet
<penguin42> gord:_Ah, and the full screen shot_is doing a_sync?
<gord> it doesn't matter for a_fullscreenshot
<gord>_you are just_capturing_what_things are_like now
<penguin42> gord:_Yeh_true
<AlanBell> turns_out_kazam is fine, openshot is not_best_friends with webm right now
<popey> webm doesnt_seem mature enough
<gord> its_pretty_good for what i_need it for, basically as_a format i can trust youtube_won't screw_up
<gord> and_its better than theora as a "default" for ubuntu, given we_can't choose 264
<popey> yeah
<gord> the thought_occurs that it has_been far_too_long since we_have_had a_new season of the IT crowd
<popey> they_didnt renew
<popey>_iirc
<gord> extended special in 2012 then_thats our lot :(
<popey>_BigRedS:_hows the speccy?
 * bigcalm awakens
<Pendulum>_bigcalm: sleeping away your weekend?
<bigcalm> Pendulum: