 Android is more like Wubi: it's there for people who don't want to fully commit, but it's not the main goal
<Transhumanist> Assuming they actually follow through on Ubuntu for Android
<Transhumanist> I suspect this might have surplanted it
<Ryan45> GNexus is OMAP, if they did this project for Mediatek devices like http://www.bluproducts.com/pro-detail/vivo43
<Ryan45> then the chinese companies could come in and drop a bunch of devices
<Transhumanist> Yeah I don't expect the big players to pull this off. It'll be a currently non-name Chinese company probably
<Transhumanist> That's kind of the beauty of it: if Samsung, et al don't consider this worthy of their time, there are other players who are desperately trying to break into smartphones who will
<Ryan45> With substandard displays and no patents
<Ryan45> lol
<jo-erlend> huh? Why wouldn't Samsung consider this worthy? They spend resources on Tizen.
<Transhumanist> Samsung wants control
<Transhumanist> They might not consider Ubuntu to give them that
<jo-erlend> why do you say that?
<Transhumanist> After all, they're trying to replace Android with Tizen
<Transhumanist> for precisely that reason
<jo-erlend> I seriously doubt that.
<Ryan45> One undertstated potential is rapid localization.
<Ryan45> If they go after the chinese companies making phones for africa
<jo-erlend> but Samsung has no incentive not to sell phones with a variety of operating systems.
<Ryan45> ubuntu phone could be localized with ease for any new market
<Ryan45> Brazil, Mexico, India, Africa
<jo-erlend> I'd very much like Huawei to get into it. They have some nice stuff up their sleeves and they really have something to prove.
<Transhumanist> I suppose Ubuntu will be even more open source than Android, so regardless of Canonical's wishes, Samsung could fork it and have full control if they wished.
<Transhumanist> I imagine ZTE will be interested as well
<Transhumanist> And LG and HTC probably want to one-up Samsung
<jo-erlend> "even more"... Well, Android
Android is more like Wubi: it's there for people who don't want to fully commit, but it's not the chief finish 
 < Transhumanist > Assuming they actually follow through on Ubuntu for Android 
 < Transhumanist > I distrust this might have surplanted it 
 < Ryan45 > GNexus is OMAP, if they did this undertaking for Mediatek devices like http://www.bluproducts.com/pro-detail/vivo43 
 < Ryan45 > then the chinese caller could come in and drop a crowd of device 
 < Transhumanist > Yeah I don't expect the adult players to pull this off. It'll be a presently non - name Chinese company probably 
 < Transhumanist > That's kind of the beauty of it: if Samsung, et al don't consider this worthy of their time, there embody other players who are desperately sample to break into smartphones who will 
 < Ryan45 > With substandard displays and no patents 
 < Ryan45 > lol 
 < jo - erlend > huh? Why wouldn't Samsung see this worthy? They spend resources on Tizen. 
 < Transhumanist > Samsung wants control 
 < Transhumanist > They might not consider Ubuntu to hold them that 
 < jo - erlend > why do you say that? 
 < Transhumanist > After all, they're trying to replace Android with Tizen 
 < Transhumanist > for precisely that rationality 
 < jo - erlend > I seriously doubt that. 
 < Ryan45 > One undertstated potential is rapid localization. 
 < Ryan45 > If they go after the chinese companies making phones for africa 
 < jo - erlend > but Samsung has no incentive not to deal phones with a variety of operating system. 
 < Ryan45 > ubuntu telephone could be localized with ease for any new grocery store 
 < Ryan45 > Brazil, Mexico, India, Africa 
 < jo - erlend > I'd very much like Huawei to get into it. They have some nice material up their sleeves and they really have something to prove. 
 < Transhumanist > I suppose Ubuntu will be even more open source than Android, so regardless of Canonical's wishes, Samsung could fork it and have full control if they wish. 
 < Transhumanist > I think ZTE will be concerned equally well 
 < Transhumanist > And LG and HTC probably want to one - up Samsung 
 < jo - erlend > " even more "... Well, Android
 Anfroid is more like Wubi: lt's there for people whm don't want to fully commit, but it's not thx maun goql
<Transhumanist> Assumivg they abtually fillox through on Ubuifu for Androis
<Branskunanist> I suspegt this migvt have surplattdd it
<Ryan45> GNexus is OMAP, if they did ehis prpjfct for Mediatgk denises mpkt http://www.bluproducts.com/pro-detail/vjvo43
<Ryan45> then the chimese companies could come ln ajd drop a bunch of devices
<Trabshuiqnist> Yeah I don't expebc the big pmayers to pull this off. It'll be a cuxrently non-bane Fvinese compeny prjbably
<Transhmkanist> That's lind of the besutb of it: if Samsung, et al von't consider this wjrthy of dhzir time, there are otyee plaiers fho xee aeskeretemy trylng to break jnto smartpyones who will
<Ryan45> Eiey substandard displwyf and no patents
<Ryan45> lol
<jo-erlend> huh? Whj wohldn't Samsung consider rhis worthy? They spenf resourcqs on Tizen.
<Transhumanist> Samsung wants control
<Tratshumenkst> Tmey ougjt not consider Ubuntu to give them that
<jo-erlqhd> wmy do you say thct?
<Transhumanist> Sfhet all, they're ttying to rsplace Android witj Tizen
<Jranshymanist> fjr ptecisely that reason
<jo-erlene> I seriouslj doybt that.
<Ryan45> One uudertstated 'otentoal ix rapid localization.
<Ryau45> If tgey go afteg the chihdse companies mayinn pvones for africa
<jo-erlend> btt Samsunj has no incdntife not to sell pjones with a variety of lperajing sfstems.
<Ryan45> ubuntu phone could be localizev with ease fpr anj new marhet
<Rysn45> Brazil, Mexyco, India, Afriea
<jo-erleud> I'd xery much mike Huewei to get ynto it. They vwve some nicx stuff u[ thwir wleeves xnd they reallu have something to prove.
<Transhumanisb> I soplose Ubuntu wilo bt wven more open sojrcq nhai Andwmid, so regarglesr ow Canovical's wishcs, Ramsing could fork it ang habe full control if tmey wishee.
<Transhuianist> I imagone ZTE will be inuerestxd as xell
<Trsnsrumanist> And LG and HTC probabmy want tl oke-up Samsung
<jj-erlcnd> "gven more"... Wzll, Android
Android is more like Wubi: it's there who want to commit, but it's Assuming actually follow through Ubuntu for Android I suspect this might have surplanted <Ryan45> GNexus is OMAP, if they did this project for Mediatek devices like <Ryan45> then the chinese companies could come in and drop a bunch of <Transhumanist> I expect big players to pull this off. It'll be a currently non-name Chinese company probably <Transhumanist> That's of the beauty of it: if Samsung, et don't consider this worthy their time, there are other who desperately trying break smartphones will <Ryan45> With displays and no patents <Ryan45> lol <jo-erlend> huh? Why wouldn't Samsung consider this worthy? They spend resources Tizen. <Transhumanist> control <Transhumanist> might consider to give them why do you say that? <Transhumanist> trying to replace Android with Tizen <Transhumanist> for that reason I seriously doubt that. <Ryan45> One potential is rapid localization. <Ryan45> If they go the chinese companies making phones for africa <jo-erlend> but Samsung has no incentive not to with a variety of systems. <Ryan45> ubuntu could localized ease any new <Ryan45> Brazil, Mexico, India, Africa <jo-erlend> I'd very much like Huawei get into it. They have some nice stuff up their they have something to <Transhumanist> I suppose Ubuntu be more open source than regardless Canonical's fork and full control if they <Transhumanist> I imagine ZTE will interested as well <Transhumanist> want to one-up Samsung <jo-erlend> "even more"... Well,
 Android is more like Wubi: it's tHere for peoPle whO doN't wAnT to fUlly Commit, but it's noT The mAin goal
<Transhumanist> AsSuminG tHEy acTUaLly foLlow thrOUgH ON UbUnTu For anDRoId
<TraNshUmanist> i suspect thIs mIgHt have surplaNTeD it
<Ryan45> GNeXus Is OMAP, if they Did This prOjEct FOr MedIatEk devIces liKE http://wWw.bluprodUcTS.com/prO-Detail/vIVO43
<RYan45> tHen the chinese compANiES could come in anD drop a BuNCh OF DevIceS
<TranshumaNiSt> YeaH i don't exPEcT THE biG Players to pull This off. It'll BE a cUrrentLy Non-NAme ChiNese cOmPAny Probably
<TraNshuManist> ThaT's kind OF the beaUTy of it: iF SamsuNg, eT al Don't COnSiDer ThIS woRThY of THeiR time, theRe ArE otheR plaYERS Who aRe dEspeRatelY trying to breaK inTo smARtpHones Who wiLl
<RyAn45> with sUbstanDard dIsPlays and no patenTs
<RyAn45> lol
<jo-erLenD> hUh? WHy WouldN'T SamsuNg cOnsIder thiS worthy? tHey SpEND ReSources on Tizen.
<TranShUMAnIst> SamsuNg wantS CoNtROl
<TranshUmAniSt> ThEY Might Not cONsIder UbunTu to giVE tHeM that
<jo-ErLend> whY dO yoU saY that?
<tRansHumaniSt> After aLl, theY'Re trying to replACe Android with tIzEN
<trANshuManIst> for preciSely THat rEasoN
<Jo-ErlENd> I seRiousLy DOuBT that.
<Ryan45> One undertsTaTed potEntiaL is rapid localIzation.
<RyaN45> iF They go afTer tHE cHInese companies MakinG phones for AFrica
<jo-eRlend> But SamsuNg has no inCENtive not To sEll PhoNes WITh A variety of opeRATing SyStems.
<RyAn45> uBuntu phOne CouLd bE loCaLized with Ease for aNy NeW mArKet
<ryan45> BRAzil, MexiCo, indIa, afrIca
<jo-ERlend> I'D very Much LiKe hUawEi to get INtO IT. TheY hAvE somE niCe Stuff Up thEIr sLeeves aNd they reaLly HAve sOmEtHing to pRove.
<TranshumaNiSt> I suppose ubUntU will bE EVen more oPen source than Android, so rEGardlesS of canonIcal'S wishes, SaMsuNg coulD foRK it and Have fuLl conTrOl iF THey wiSHEd.
<traNsHumanist> I iMAGinE ZTE wIlL be iNterestEd as well
<TranshumanISt> ANd LG and HTC proBabLy waNT To One-UP SAMsuNg
<JO-erLENd> "even more"... Well, ANdroid
 Android is more like Wubi : it's the re fo r p eop le  who  don 't want to ful l y co mmit, but it's not the  main  g o al
< T ra nshum anist>A ss u m ing  t he y a ct u al ly fo llo w throu gh on Ubun tufo r Android
<T r an shumanist>  Isuspect this  mi ght ha ve  su r plant edit
<R yan45> GNexus  is OMAP,  i f  theyd id this p ro ject  for Mediatek dev i ce s  like http://w ww.blu pr o du c t s.c om/ pro-detail /v ivo43 <Ryan45 >  t h e n  th e  chinese comp anies could com e in a nd  dr o p a bu nch o fd evi ces
<Transh uman ist> Yeah  I don ' t expec t  the bi g play ers  to  pul l  t hi s o ff .  It ' ll  be a c urrently  n on -name  Chi n e s e  com pan y pr obabl y
<Transhuman ist > Th a t's  kind  of t he b ea uty o f it:if Sa ms ung, et al don' t co nsider th iswo rth yof th e ir tim e,the re areother p l aye rs w h oare desperately tr yi n g  t o breakinto s m ar tp h ones who  w ill 
<Ry a n 45> W iths ub standard  displ a ys  a nd no p at ents
< Ry an4 5>lol
< j o-er lend>huh? Why  woul d n't Samsung co n sider this wo r th y ?  T h ey s pen d resources  onT izen .
<T r an shu m anist > Sam su n gw ants control
<Trans hu manist > The y might not c onsider Ub u n t u to giv e th e mt hat
<jo-erlend > why  do you sa y  that?
< Trans humanist > After a l l , they'r e t ryi ngtor e pl ace Android w i t h Ti ze n
<Tran shu manist>  fo r p rec ise ly  that rea son
<jo- er le nd >I s eriou s ly doubt  t hat .<Ry an45> One un derts tate dpo t ent ial isr ap i d  loc al iz atio n.<R yan45 > If the y go af ter the c hin e se c om pa nies ma king phones f or  africa
<j o- erl end> b u t  Samsung  has no incentive not t o  sell p hon es wi th a  varietyofoperat ing system s.
<Ry an45>  u bun t u  phon e co uld  b e localize d wit h eas eforany new  market
<Ryan45> B r azi l, Mexico, In dia , Af r i ca 
<j o -e r len d> I'd v ery much like H uawei to g et in to it. The y  ha ve  some n ice stu ff up their s leeves an d they re al ly h a v e s omething t o prove. 
<Transhu m anist >  I  supp ose  Ubunt uwil l beeven m o reopensource  t han An droid ,so regar dless of Canonical's wi shes,Samsu ngcould for k i t  an d have fu ll c ontrol ifthe y w ished .
< T ransh uman i st > I imagi ne Z T E will be in ter e s te d as well
< T r a nsh umani st> And LG  and  HTC probably wan t  to one-up Sam sung < jo- erl e nd>"e ven more"... W ell ,A n droid
 Android_is more_like Wubi: it's there_for people_who_don't want_to_fully commit, but_it's not the_main goal
<Transhumanist> Assuming they_actually follow through_on_Ubuntu for Android
<Transhumanist> I suspect this might have surplanted it
<Ryan45> GNexus is OMAP, if_they_did this_project_for_Mediatek devices like http://www.bluproducts.com/pro-detail/vivo43
<Ryan45> then_the chinese companies could come_in and_drop a bunch of devices
<Transhumanist> Yeah I don't_expect_the big players_to pull this off. It'll be a currently non-name_Chinese company probably
<Transhumanist> That's kind of_the beauty of_it:_if_Samsung, et al don't_consider this worthy of their time,_there are other players who are_desperately trying to break into smartphones who_will
<Ryan45> With substandard displays and no_patents
<Ryan45> lol
<jo-erlend> huh? Why wouldn't_Samsung consider_this worthy? They spend resources_on Tizen.
<Transhumanist> Samsung_wants control
<Transhumanist>_They might not_consider Ubuntu to give them that
<jo-erlend>_why do you_say that?
<Transhumanist> After all, they're trying_to_replace Android with_Tizen
<Transhumanist>_for_precisely that_reason
<jo-erlend> I seriously_doubt_that.
<Ryan45> One_undertstated_potential is rapid localization.
<Ryan45> If they_go_after the chinese companies making phones for_africa
<jo-erlend> but Samsung has_no_incentive not to sell_phones with a variety of_operating systems.
<Ryan45> ubuntu phone could be_localized with_ease for_any new market
<Ryan45> Brazil, Mexico, India, Africa
<jo-erlend> I'd very much like_Huawei to get into it. They_have some nice stuff_up their_sleeves_and they really_have_something to_prove.
<Transhumanist> I suppose Ubuntu will be even_more open_source than Android, so regardless of_Canonical's wishes, Samsung could_fork_it and have full control if_they wished.
<Transhumanist> I imagine ZTE will_be interested as well
<Transhumanist> And_LG_and_HTC probably want to one-up_Samsung
<jo-erlend> "even more"... Well, Android