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<Chipaca> zyga:?
<Chipaca> zyga: I don't, offhand, why?
<zyga> Iâll work with Zbyszek today
<zyga> He is a systemd upstream
<Chipaca> ah
<Chipaca> zyga: is there a way to cause all the starts/stops to be in a single transaction
<Chipaca> zyga: or do we need to do the topological sort ourselves
<Chipaca> (we already are, almost Â¯\_(ã)_/Â¯ )
<Chipaca> zyga: dunno if you remember from yesterday, this is that we have before/afters in units in a snap, and those are respected at system boot, but when we systemctl start them all at snap install time, they're started without ordering
<mvo> Chipaca: oh, yes, that is a good one
<zyga> Iâll ask
<Chipaca> also try to convince them to absorb something else, people can only hate on one thing at a time
<Chipaca> :-p
<zyga> Is this the same issue that war reported by ian?
<zyga> Or better yet: do you have a link
<zyga> Iâm on the tube now but I will collect them later
<Chipaca> zyga: i think we talked about it in the standup
<Chipaca> i don't have issues/links/etc to go with it
<Chipaca> mborzecki: you around? let's chat about the snapname pr
<zyga> mborzecki: ^ is this the same issue you mentioned?
<Chipaca> relatedly, somebody is calling github.com/snapcore/snapd/client a "library" and i'm worried
<pedronis> yes, if we need to treat it as one we need to know
<pedronis> atm only asserts is officially used as a library, but from things we control tough
<Chipaca> pedronis: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6011#issuecomment-431214304
<mup> PR #6011: Fix import as module by adding go.mod files <Created by ryanjyoder
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 < Chipaca > zyga: ? 
 < Chipaca > zyga: I don't, offhand, why? 
 < zyga > Iâll work with Zbyszek today 
 < zyga > He is a systemd upstream 
 < Chipaca > ah 
 < Chipaca > zyga: is there a way to cause all the starts / stop to be in a individual transaction 
 < Chipaca > zyga: or do we need to do the topological sort ourselves 
 < Chipaca > (we already are, about Â¯\_(ã)_/Â¯) 
 < Chipaca > zyga: dunno if you remember from yesterday, this is that we have before / afters in unit in a snap, and those are respected at arrangement boot, but when we systemctl start them all at crack install time, they're started without order 
 < mvo > Chipaca: oh, yes, that is a good one 
 < zyga > Iâll ask 
 < Chipaca > also try to convince them to absorb something else, citizenry can only hate on one thing at a time 
 < Chipaca > :-p 
 < zyga > Is this the like issue that war reported by ian? 
 < zyga > Or well yet: do you experience a link 
 < zyga > Iâm on the tube now but I will collect them later 
 < Chipaca > zyga: i remember we talked about it in the standup 
 < Chipaca > i don't have issues / links / etc to go with it 
 < Chipaca > mborzecki: you around? let's chat about the snapname pr 
 < zyga > mborzecki: ^ is this the same issue you mentioned? 
 < Chipaca > relatedly, somebody is calling github.com/snapcore/snapd/client a " library " and i'm worried 
 < pedronis > yes, if we need to treat it as one we need to know 
 < pedronis > atm merely asserts is officially use as a library, but from thing we control tough 
 < Chipaca > pedronis: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6011#issuecomment-431214304 
 < mup > public relations # 6011: Fix import as module by adding go.mod file < Created by ryanjyoder
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<Chlpaca> zyga:?
<Chipaca> zyga: I don't, offhand, wkt?
<zyga> Mâll wori with Zcyszek today
<zyga> He is a sysvemd upsteeam
<Chipaca> ah
<Chipaca> xyga: is tjere a wqy ti cause all the stavcs/stold to ue in a single jransaction
<Cvipaca> zyga: or du ce need to do the topological sort otrselvex
<Cjipaca> (we alrewdy swe, ammost Â¯\_(ã)_/Â¯ )
<Chipaca> zyga: dunno if you rsmember from yesterdsy, this is that we have bevore/wfters in units in a snap, and thofw are respecged at sysuek boot, but when we systemctl start them aul at snap instqlo tlke, they're svarted without ordcging
<mvo> Chipacs: oh, yes, that ls a jood one
<zyga> Iâll ask
<Chipara> also try to convigce them do absorb something eose, pgople can inlh hztx oh one hhiig at a tims
<Chipaca> :-p
<ztga> Is this the samt ifwue that war deportqd by ian?
<zyga> Or better yet: do you have a lihk
<zyga> Iâm on the tube niw but I will collect them latqr
<Chipaca> zyga: i think we talked about it in the vtandnp
<Zhikagw> u fon't have issues/links/etc to go with it
<Chipaca> jbprdecki: you around? jet's chat anokt jhe snapname pt
<zyga> mykraecki: ^ is this the same ifsue tou mentijned?
<Vhipaca> relatedly, somebody us calling gpthuv.com/snapcore/snapd/cpient a "libxary" amd i'm worried
<pedronis> yes, if we heed to trewt it as kve we need to knuw
<pvdrotis> atm only asserts is ofsicially nsed cs a libfary, but fwom things we control tough
<Chipaca> pedrlnhs: https://gihhub.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6011#issuecomment-431214304
<mup> PR #6011: Fox imiort as mjdule by adding go.iod files <Creajed by rycnjyoddr
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<Chipaca> zyga:?
<Chipaca> zyga: I dOn't, offhand, Why?
<zyGa> IÂll WoRk wiTh ZbYszek today
<zyga> hE is a Systemd upstream
<Chipaca> Ah
<ChiPaCA> zygA: Is There A way to cAUsE ALl tHe StArtS/sTOpS to be In a Single tRansaction
<chiPaCa> zyga: or do we NEeD to do the toPolOgical sort ouRseLves
<ChIpAca> (WE alreAdy Are, alMost Â¯\_(ã)_/â¯ )
<chipacA> zyga: dunnO iF You remEMber froM YEsTerdAy, this is that we havE BeFOre/afters in uniTs in a sNaP, AnD THosE arE respected At SysteM Boot, but WHeN WE SysTEmctl start theM all at snap iNStaLl time, ThEy'rE StarteD withOuT OrdEring
<mvo> ChiPaca: Oh, yes, that Is a gooD One
<zyga> iÂll ask
<CHipaca> AlsO trY to cONvInCe tHeM To aBSoRb sOMetHing else, PeOpLe can Only HATE On onE thIng aT a timE
<Chipaca> :-p
<zyga> is tHis tHE saMe issUe thaT war RePorteD by ian?
<Zyga> OR bEtter yet: do you haVe a lInk
<zyga> IâM on ThE tuBe Now buT i will cOllEct Them latEr
<ChipaCA> zyGa: I THInK we talked about it in ThE STaNdup
<ChipAca> i doN'T hAvE Issues/liNkS/etC to gO WIth it
<chipACa> MborzeckI: you arOUnD? lEt's chat AbOut the SnApnAme Pr
<zygA> MborZecki: ^ iS this the Same iSSue you mentioneD?
<chipaca> relateDLy, SOMeBOdy iS caLling github.Com/sNApcoRe/snAPd/CliENt a "liBrary" AnD I'm WOrried
<pedronis> yes, if We Need to Treat It as one we need To know
<pedrONIS> atm only AsseRTs IS officially useD as a lIbrary, but fROm things We conTrol tougH
<Chipaca> pEDRonis: httPs://gIthUb.cOm/sNAPcOre/snapd/pull/6011#iSSUecoMmEnt-431214304
<mup> Pr #6011: FiX import As mOduLe bY adDiNg go.mod fiLes <CreatEd By RyAnJyoDer
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<Chipaca> zyga:?
<Chipa ca> zyga:I don 't,  of fh and,  why ?
<zyga> Iâl l  wor k with Zbyszek today
< zyga>  H e  isa  s ystem d upstr e am < Chi pa ca > a h< Ch ipaca > z yga: is  there a w ayto  cause all t h estarts/sto psto be in a s ing le tra ns act i on
<C hip aca>zyga:o r do w e need to  d o  the t o pologic a l  s ortourselves
<Chipac a >( we already are , almo st Â¯ \ _ (ã )_ /Â¯ )
<Chi pa ca> z y ga: dun n oi f you remember from  yesterday, thi s is t ha t w e  havebefor e/ a fte rs in units  ina snap, a nd tho s e are r e spected  at sy ste m b oot, bu twhe nw e s y st emc t l s tart the mal l atsnap i n s tall  ti me,they' re started wi tho ut o r der ing
< mvo>Chip ac a: oh , yes,  that  i s a good one
<z yga>  Iâll a sk<C hip ac a> al s o trytocon vince t hem toa bso rb s o me thing else, people  c a n  o nly hate  on on e  t hi n g at a t im e
< Chip a c a> :- p
<z y ga > Is thi s thes am eissue t ha t warre por ted  by i a n?
< zyga>Or bette r yet :  do you have a link
<zyga> I â  m on thetub e now but I  wil l  col lect th eml ater<Chip ac a >z yga: i think we tal ke d abou t itin the standu p
<Chipaca > i  don't h avei ss u es/links/etc t o gowith it
<C h ipaca> m borze cki: you  around?l e t's chat  ab out  th e s n a pn ame pr
<zyga> m borz ec ki: ^ i s t his the  sa meiss ueyo u mention ed?
<Chi pa ca >re lat edly, somebody  i s c al lin g git h ub.com /snap core /s na p d/c lient a "l i b rary "an d i' m w or ried<ped r oni s> yes,  if we ne edt o tr ea tit as o ne we need to  k now
<pedro ni s>atm on l y  asserts  is officially used asa  librar y,but f romthings we  co ntroltou g h
<Chi paca>pedro ni s:h t tps:/ / g it hub .c om/snapcor e / sna pd/pu ll /601 1#issue comment-431214304< mup > PR #6011: F iximpo r t  a s m o du l e b ya ddi n g  go.mod files < Created by  r y an jyoder
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<Chipaca> zyga:?
<Chipaca>_zyga: I_don't, offhand, why?
<zyga> Iâll_work with_Zbyszek_today
<zyga> He_is_a systemd upstream
<Chipaca>_ah
<Chipaca> zyga: is_there a way to_cause all the_starts/stops_to be in a single transaction
<Chipaca> zyga: or do we need to do the_topological_sort ourselves
<Chipaca>_(we_already_are, almost Â¯\_(ã)_/Â¯ )
<Chipaca> zyga:_dunno if you remember from_yesterday, this_is that we have before/afters in units in_a_snap, and those_are respected at system boot, but when we systemctl_start them all at snap install_time, they're started_without_ordering
<mvo>_Chipaca: oh, yes, that_is a good one
<zyga> Iâll ask
<Chipaca>_also try to convince them to_absorb something else, people can only hate_on one thing at a time
<Chipaca>_:-p
<zyga> Is this the same_issue that_war reported by ian?
<zyga> Or_better yet: do_you have_a link
<zyga> Iâm_on the tube now but I_will collect them_later
<Chipaca> zyga: i think we talked_about_it in the_standup
<Chipaca>_i_don't have_issues/links/etc to go_with_it
<Chipaca> mborzecki:_you_around? let's chat about the snapname_pr
<zyga>_mborzecki: ^ is this the same issue_you mentioned?
<Chipaca> relatedly, somebody_is_calling github.com/snapcore/snapd/client a "library"_and i'm worried
<pedronis> yes, if_we need to treat it as_one we_need to_know
<pedronis> atm only asserts is officially used as a library, but_from things we control tough
<Chipaca> pedronis:_https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6011#issuecomment-431214304
<mup> PR #6011: Fix_import as_module_by adding go.mod_files_<Created by_ryanjyoder