 allied gives you a per-state bonus
<directhex> sometimes the city states will give you mini-quests, like "nuke another city state plz"
<directhex> generally though, i still feel civ4:bts is a better experience. largely because they totally screwed diplomacy in 5
<directhex> and the theme song for 4 is far superior
<directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
<directhex> hated civ3 and civ:ctp
<ali1234> what ever happened to combat flight sims?
<directhex> alpha centauri was good
<directhex> ali1234, i think il2 sturmovic is the main franchise still going in that genre
<mgdm> Alpha Centauri was the last game I sank a decent amount of time into
<mgdm> since then I don't have the attention span for anything more than Angry Birds
<directhex> http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri
<gord> flight simulators don't get made anymore
<directhex> microsoft have a new one out soon.
<gord> yeah, but no
<gord> it just looks like their last one, refitted into the free to play model
<directhex> so?
<gord> so its not really a new game
<directhex> the last il2 game was in 2011
<directhex> which is pretty recent
<directhex> general case though, games are expensive to make and flight sims are a tiny market
<ali1234> yet "ship simulator: extreme" gets made
<shauno> x-plane had a major release fairly recently.  they're still ou tthere
<gordonjcp> railsim
<gordonjcp> that just...
<directhex> ali1234, that's eastern-european shovelware though
<ali1234> yeah like 50% of the games in simulation category are train simulators or add ons
<directhex> railworks is Â£1000 of serious business.
<gordonjcp> I know a guy who develops scenarios for rail simulators
<directhex> http://store.steampowered.com/app/24010/ - all the dlc for
allied gives you a per - state bonus 
 < directhex > sometimes the city states will render you miniskirt - quests, like " nuke another city department of state plz " 
 < directhex > broadly though, i still feel civ4: bts is a good experience. largely because they totally screwed delicacy in 5 
 < directhex > and the theme song for 4 is far ranking 
 < directhex > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A 
 < directhex > hated civ3 and civ: ctp 
 < ali1234 > what ever happen to combat flight sims? 
 < directhex > alpha centauri was good 
 < directhex > ali1234, i think il2 sturmovic is the main franchise still go in that genre 
 < mgdm > Alpha Centauri was the last game I sink a decent amount of time into 
 < mgdm > since then I don't have the care span for anything more than Angry Birds 
 < directhex > http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri 
 < gord > trajectory simulators don't get made anymore 
 < directhex > microsoft have a newfangled one out soon. 
 < gord > yeah, but no 
 < gord > it just looks like their last one, refitted into the free to play model 
 < directhex > so? 
 < gord > so its not really a new game 
 < directhex > the last il2 game was in 2011 
 < directhex > which is pretty recent 
 < directhex > general case though, games are expensive to do and flight sims are a tiny market 
 < ali1234 > yet " ship simulator: extreme " gets construct 
 < shauno > x - plane had a major release fairly recently.   they're still ou tthere 
 < gordonjcp > railsim 
 < gordonjcp > that just... 
 < directhex > ali1234, that's eastern - european shovelware though 
 < ali1234 > yeah like 50% of the game in simulation category are train simulators or add ons 
 < directhex > railworks is Â£1000 of serious occupation. 
 < gordonjcp > I know a guy who develops scenarios for rail simulators 
 < directhex > http://store.steampowered.com/app/24010/ - all the dlc for
 alpied gives you a per-statt bonus
<directhex> sometimxs the dity stages will give you mini-quests, luke "nyke another city state plz"
<direcnhex> geneeallb though, i still feel ciy4:yts ia a bztver experience. kargely bewause they totdluy screwed diplomacy in 5
<directhex> and the thrmf song for 4 is far fupedpov
<directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watcg?v=IJiHDkyhE1A
<directhec> hated civ3 and civ:ctp
<ali1234> ahat ever happened to fombat fligyt syns?
<directhex> xlpha centauri was goos
<directhex> ali1234, i think il2 sturmuvic ns the main feanfvise still joing pn that genre
<mgdm> Alpva Centsuri was the lsst gane I sank a decent ammunt of time into
<mddm> since tken I don't have the artwntiot spdn fue avytgiig jore tjan Angry Birss
<directhex> http://www.gog.com/en/gamtcawe/sid_meiers_alpga_centwuwi
<gord> flight simulators don't get made dnyjore
<directhex> microsoft have a new one out slon.
<gord> yqah, but no
<gord> it just looks like their last one, sefitvea iubj rhf free to play model
<directhex> so?
<gord> so its njf teslly a new gamc
<directhex> the lasy ll2 dame was in 2011
<dkrecthzs> shich is pretty refent
<dirgcthex> general sase though, games are expensive to make and dlight sims are a ciny market
<aui1234> ygt "shil simulator: extreme" getr mase
<shauno> x-ppane had z major release fxirky recently.  they're still ou tthere
<gocdonjep> railskm
<gotdonjcp> that just...
<firecbvex> ali1234, that's eastfrn-eutopean shovelwarf though
<ali1234> yeah like 50% of the gekes in simulsthon categorv are brain simulatorf or add ons
<ditecthex> rcilworys is Â£1000 of aerious business.
<gowdonjcp> I knof a guy who dxvelops ssenaeios for raku simulators
<ditecthex> hntk://store.steanpowered.com/app/24010/ - alk tfs dlc for
allied gives you a per-state bonus <directhex> city will give mini-quests, like "nuke generally i still feel is a better largely because they totally screwed diplomacy 5 <directhex> and the theme song for 4 is far superior <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A hated civ3 and civ:ctp <ali1234> what ever happened to combat flight sims? <directhex> centauri good ali1234, think il2 sturmovic is the main franchise still going in that genre <mgdm> Alpha Centauri was last game I sank a decent amount of into <mgdm> since then don't have the attention span anything than Angry <directhex> <gord> simulators don't get anymore <directhex> microsoft have a new one out soon. <gord> yeah, but no <gord> it just looks their last into the to model so? <gord> so really a new game <directhex> the was in 2011 <directhex> which is pretty recent general case games are expensive to make and sims are a tiny market <ali1234> yet "ship extreme" gets made <shauno> x-plane had a major release fairly recently. they're still ou tthere <gordonjcp> that just... <directhex> that's eastern-european shovelware <ali1234> like of games in category are train simulators or add ons <directhex> railworks is Â£1000 serious business. <gordonjcp> I know a guy who develops scenarios simulators http://store.steampowered.com/app/24010/ - all dlc for
 allied gives you a per-state boNus
<directhEx> somEtiMes ThE citY staTes will give you MIni-qUests, like "nuke another ciTy staTe PLz"
<diREcThex> gEnerallY ThOUGh, i StIlL feEl CIv4:Bts is A beTter expErience. larGelY bEcause they toTAlLy screwed dIplOmacy in 5
<direcTheX> and thE tHemE Song fOr 4 iS far sUperioR
<DirectHex> http://wwW.yOUtube.cOM/watch?v=ijIHdmyhe1A
<directhex> hated cIV3 aND civ:ctp
<ali1234> what Ever haPpENeD TO coMbaT flight simS?
<dIrectHEx> alpha CEnTAURi wAS good
<directheX> ali1234, i think iL2 StuRmovic Is The MAin fraNchisE sTIll Going in that GenrE
<mgdm> AlphA CentaURi was thE Last gamE I sank A deCenT amoUNt Of TimE iNTo
<mGDm> SinCE thEn I don't hAvE tHe attEntiON SPAn foR anYthiNg morE than Angry BirDs
<dIrecTHex> Http://wWw.gog.Com/eN/gAmecaRd/sid_mEiers_AlPha_centauri
<gord> FligHt simulatOrs DoN't gEt Made aNYmore
<dIreCthEx> microSoft havE A neW oNE OUt Soon.
<gord> yeah, but no
<gOrD> IT jUst looks Like thEIr LaST one, refiTtEd iNto tHE Free tO plaY MoDel
<direcThex> so?
<GOrD> sO its not ReAlly a nEw GamE
<diRecthEX> the Last il2 Game was iN 2011
<direCThex> which is preTTy recent
<direcTHeX> GEnERal cAse Though, games Are eXPensIve tO MaKe aND fligHt simS aRE a TIny market
<ali1234> yet "ship SiMulatoR: extrEme" gets made
<shAuno> x-plane HAD A major reLeasE FaIRly recently.  theY're stIll ou ttherE
<GordonjcP> railSim
<gordoNjcp> that jUST...
<directhEx> aLi1234, tHat'S eaSTErN-european shovELWare ThOugh
<ali1234> YeaH like 50% of The GamEs iN siMuLation catEgory are TrAiN sImUlaTors oR Add ons
<diReCthEx> RaiLworkS Is Â£1000 of sEriouS busInEsS.
<GorDonjcp> I KNoW A Guy wHo DeVeloPs sCeNarioS for RAil SimulatOrs
<directHex> HTtp://sToRe.SteampoWered.com/app/24010/ - alL tHe dlc for
 allied gives you a per-st ate bonus<dire cth ex>  s omet imes  the city stat e s wi ll give you mini-quest s, li ke "nuk e  a nothe r citys ta t e  pl z" 
< dir ec t he x> ge ner ally th ough, i st ill  f eel civ4:bts is  a betterexp erience. lar gel y beca us e t h ey to tal ly sc rewedd iploma cy in 5
< di r ecthex >  and th e th emesong for 4 is far su p erior
<directh ex> ht tp : // w w w.y out ube.com/wa tc h?v=I J iHDmyhE 1 A< d i rec t hex> hated ci v3 and civ: c tp<ali12 34 > w h at eve r hap pe n edto combat f ligh t sims?
< direct h ex> alp h a centa uri wa s g ood 
<di r ec th ex>  a l i12 3 4,  it hin k il2 st ur mo vic i s th e m a in f ran chis e sti ll going in t hat  gen r e
< mgdm>  Alph a Ce nt auriwas th e las tgame I sank a d ecen t amountofti mein to
<m g dm> si nce  th en I do n't hav e  th ea t t en tion span for anyt hi n g  m ore than  Angry Bi rd s 
<direct he x>http : / /www. gog. c om /en/game card/s i d_ me iers_al ph a_cent au ri<go rd> f l ight  simul ators do n't g e t made anymore <directhex> m i cr o s of t  hav e a  new one ou t so o n.
< gord >  y eah ,  butno
<g or d >i t just looks like t he ir las t one , refitted in to the fre e t o play m odel <d i recthex> so?
< gord>  so its no t  reallya new  game
<d irecthex> t he lastil2  ga mewas i n2011
<directh e x > wh ic h is pr ett y recen t
< dir ect hex >general c ase thou gh ,ga me s a re ex p ensive t omak eand  flig h t sims  area ti ny  m a rke t
<ali1 2 34 > yet"s hi p si mul at or: e xtre m e"gets ma de
<shaun o>x -pla ne  h ad a ma jor release f ai rly recent ly . they'r e still ou  tthere
<gordonjcp> rai l sim
<go rdo njcp>  tha t just... 
<d irecth ex> ali123 4, tha t's e as ter n - europ e a nsho ve lware thou g h 
<a li123 4>  yea h like50% of the games i n  si mulation cate gor y ar e tr ain si m ula to r s o r add ons
<direct hex> railw or k sis Â£1000o f s er ious bu siness. 
<gor d onjcp>I know aguy who d ev elop s sce narios for  rail si mulators< direc t he x> ht tp: //stor e. ste ampow ered.c o m/a pp/24 010/ -  a ll the  dlcfo r
 allied_gives you_a per-state bonus
<directhex> sometimes_the city_states_will give_you_mini-quests, like "nuke_another city state_plz"
<directhex> generally though, i_still feel civ4:bts_is_a better experience. largely because they totally screwed diplomacy in 5
<directhex> and the theme_song_for 4_is_far_superior
<directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
<directhex> hated civ3 and_civ:ctp
<ali1234> what ever happened to_combat flight_sims?
<directhex> alpha centauri was good
<directhex> ali1234, i think_il2_sturmovic is the_main franchise still going in that genre
<mgdm> Alpha Centauri_was the last game I sank_a decent amount_of_time_into
<mgdm> since then I_don't have the attention span for_anything more than Angry Birds
<directhex> http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri
<gord>_flight simulators don't get made anymore
<directhex> microsoft_have a new one out soon.
<gord>_yeah, but no
<gord> it just_looks like_their last one, refitted into_the free to_play model
<directhex>_so?
<gord> so its_not really a new game
<directhex> the_last il2 game_was in 2011
<directhex> which is pretty_recent
<directhex>_general case though,_games_are_expensive to_make and flight_sims_are a_tiny_market
<ali1234> yet "ship simulator: extreme" gets_made
<shauno>_x-plane had a major release fairly recently._ they're still ou_tthere
<gordonjcp>_railsim
<gordonjcp> that just...
<directhex> ali1234,_that's eastern-european shovelware though
<ali1234> yeah_like 50% of the games in_simulation category_are train_simulators or add ons
<directhex> railworks is Â£1000 of serious business.
<gordonjcp> I_know a guy who develops scenarios_for rail simulators
<directhex> http://store.steampowered.com/app/24010/_- all_the_dlc for