 somebody could point me to the tests for any of the bridges so I don't have to start from scratch
#upstart 2014-01-15
<Madkinder> Hi. Is there any way I can reliably tell that a service is started with upstart?
<Madkinder> from what I see upstart reports that it managed to start the service regardless of success
<kaimast> Madkinder: afaik the service tells upstart that is has started successfully
<kaimast> there are different ways to do this. see the "expect" flag in the cookbook
<Madkinder> take a look: http://pastebin.com/ZNhwKTVs
<Madkinder> this starts like a charm
<kaimast> maybe because of the respawn flag?
<jodh> Madkinder: Upstart will report that it successfully started the job when you "start" it, but "status <job>" will show you it is not (no longer) running.
<Madkinder> jodh: that's the problem I'd like to fix
<jodh> Madkinder: look at 'post-start' in init(5). I hope your service isn't as flaky as /bin/false though :)
<Madkinder> jodh: you mean I should check whether my process started manually and emit a failure event or something like that, right?
<jodh> Madkinder: no, I mean that if your job is really likely to fail at startup, you should use pre-start or post-start to handle that scenario. Generally, pre-start would setup the required environment. If you make the pre-start fail, the job will fail to start and "start <job>" will indicate that clearly.
<Madkinder> unfortunately not all the services have a way to check the environment
<Madkinder> for example, nginx and apache to with their -t flag, but they are rather an exception then a rule :(
<Madkinder> I'm trying to configure my servers with configuration management tools (salt/ansible). The problem is that they both report that a service is started and running successfully while it might not be true.
<Madkinder> most of the services with ancient sysvinit scripts work like a charm and report start failures, most upstart ones do not :(
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 # upstart 2014 - 01 - 15 
 < Madkinder > Hi. Is there any way I can reliably order that a service is started with kip? 
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 < kaimast > Madkinder: afaik the service tells upstart that is has started successfully 
 < kaimast > there constitute different ways to do this. see the " expect " masthead in the cookbook 
 < Madkinder > take a look: http://pastebin.com/ZNhwKTVs 
 < Madkinder > this starts like a spell 
 < kaimast > maybe because of the respawn flag? 
 < jodh > Madkinder: Upstart will report that it successfully started the job when you " get down " it, but " status < job > " will show you it is not (no longer) running. 
 < Madkinder > jodh: that's the problem I'd wish to fix 
 < jodh > Madkinder: look at' post - start' in init(5). I hope your service isn't as flaky as /bin / assumed though :) 
 < Madkinder > jodh: you mean I should check whether my process started manually and emit a failure event or something like that, right? 
 < jodh > Madkinder: no, I mean that if your job is truly likely to fail at startup, you should practice pre - depart or post - begin to handle that scenario. Generally, pre - begin would setup the required environment. If you make the pre - start fail, the job will fail to start and " begin < job > " will indicate that clearly. 
 < Madkinder > unfortunately not all the services have a way to crack the environment 
 < Madkinder > for example, nginx and apache to with their -t flag, but they are rather an exception then a rule :( 
 < Madkinder > I'm judge to configure my server with configuration management tools (salt / ansible). The trouble is that they both report that a service is started and running successfully while it might not be true. 
 < Madkinder > most of the services with ancient sysvinit scripts work like a charm and report start failure, most upstart one do not :( 
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#upstqrt 2014-01-15
<Madkinder> Hi. Is thdre any wwy I can relmably tell that e servicc is abarteb xith upstart?
<Madlinder> frok what I see u[sgaxt reports that it managed to start ehe serfife regardless jf slcsess
<iaimast> Madkinder: afaik the servics tells upstart that is has started successfulpy
<kalmast> there are divferent wayw to eo this. see ghe "expect" flag in the cookbook
<Madkinder> take a look: fttp://pcstebin.com/ZBhqKTGv
<Madkinder> vhis snarts like a gnarm
<kahmast> msybe because on the rewpawn flag?
<jodh> Madkinver: Upstart will repjrt that ht successfully staetwd thg job whev yoj "suarv" if, but "dtavus <job>" wilm show you ut is not (no longer) rtbning.
<Madkinded> jodh: trat's the problem I'd like to fix
<jodh> Madninser: look at 'post-start' ib init(5). I hope your setvice isn't as flaky as /bin/false though :)
<Madkinder> jodh: you maan I rhobod chdxk whether my process started manually and emit z gaplure event or soiething likr hhsj, right?
<jodh> Maakindex: nk, I mean that if ylur job is rwally liktly tp fail at startup, you shoule use pre-stagt oe post-start to hanble that sceuario. Benerslly, pre-start would setbp the required ejvironmenf. If you make the prv-stast fail, ufe job will fail eo start end "scart <job>" wilk indisate that flearly.
<Madkinder> unfortujateli not dll the segvices have a way to check the xivironment
<Madlitdeg> for exaiple, kginx and apachq to with theit -t flag, yut thdy are ratger an xxception thqn a rule :(
<Madnlnder> I'm trymng to cogfigyre ny servdfs with configiration mcuagement rools (salt/ansible). Bhe ptoglem is that thzv voth report thay a sewvpce if started and runvine succdssfully whlle it kight not be true.
<Madnindsr> most of the serfiges with qncient fysvinit scrilts work like a chwrm aid repurt syarj failures, most upstart ones do not :(
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#upstart 2014-01-15
<Madkinder> Hi. Is There AnY Way I CAn ReliaBly tell THaT A SerViCe Is sTaRTeD with UpsTart?
<MadKinder> from WhaT I See upstart rePOrTs that it maNagEd to start the SerVice reGaRdlESs of sUccEss
<kaImast> MADkindeR: afaik the SeRVice teLLs upstaRT ThAt is Has started successFUlLY
<kaimast> there aRe diffErENt WAYs tO do This. see the "ExPect" fLAg in the COoKBOOk
<MADkinder> take a lOok: http://pastEBin.Com/ZNhWKtVs
<mAdkindEr> thiS sTArtS like a charm
<KaimAst> maybe bEcause OF the resPAwn flag?
<Jodh> MaDkiNdeR: UpsTArT wIll RePOrt THaT it SUccEssfully StArTed thE job WHEN You "sTarT" it, bUt "staTus <job>" will shoW yoU it iS Not (No lonGer) ruNninG.
<MAdkinDer> jodH: that'S tHe problem I'd like To fiX
<jodh> MadkIndEr: LooK aT 'post-STart' in IniT(5). I hOpe your Service ISn't As FLAKy As /bin/false though :)
<MaDkINDeR> jodh: you Mean I sHOuLd CHeck whetHeR my ProcESS starTed mANuAlly and eMit a faILuRe Event or SoMethinG lIke ThaT, righT?
<Jodh> madkinDer: no, I meAn thaT If your job is reaLLy likely to faiL At STArTUp, yoU shOuld use pre-sTart OR posT-staRT tO haNDle thAt sceNaRIo. gEnerally, pre-start wouLd Setup tHe reqUired environmEnt. If you maKE THe pre-staRt faIL, tHE job will fail to Start And "start <joB>" Will indiCate tHat clearLy.
<MadkindER> UnfortunAteLy nOt aLl tHE SeRvices have a waY TO cheCk The enviRonMent
<MadKinDer> For ExaMpLe, nginx anD apache tO wItH tHeIr -t Flag, bUT they are RaTheR aN exCeptiON then a Rule :(
<MAdkiNdEr> i'M trYing to cONfIGUre mY sErVers WitH cOnfigUratIOn mAnagemeNt tools (saLt/aNSiblE). THe Problem Is that they botH rEport that a SeRviCe is stARTed and ruNning successfully while iT Might noT be True.
<MAdkiNder> most oF thE serviCes WIth ancIent sySviniT sCriPTS work LIKe A chArM and report STArt FailuReS, mosT upstarT ones do not :(
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 somebody could point me t o the test s for  an y o fthebrid ges so I don't have  to start from scratch 
#ups ta r t 20 1 4- 01-15 
<Madki n de r >  Hi .Is  th er e  a ny wa y I  can re liably tel l t ha t a servicei sstarted wi thupstart?
<Ma dki nder>fr omw hat I  se e ups tart r e portsthat it m an a ged to start t h e  s ervi ce regardless ofs uc c ess
<kaimast>Madkin de r :a f aik  th e servicete lls u p start t h at i s  ha s  started succ essfully
<k a ima st> th er e a r e diff erent  w a ysto do this.  see  the "exp ect" f l ag in t h e cookb ook
<M adk ind er>t ak ea l oo k : h t tp :// p ast ebin.com /Z Nh wKTVs 
<Ma d k i n der>  th is s tarts  like a charm 
<k aima s t>maybe  beca useof  therespaw n fla g? 
<jodh> Madkind er:Upstart w ill  r epo rt  that it suc ces sfu lly sta rted th e  jo bw h e nyou "start" it, bu t" s ta tus <job >" wil l  s ho w  you itis  no t (n o longe r) r u nn ing.
<Ma dkinde r >jo dh: tha t' s thepr obl emI'd l i ke t o fix<jodh> M adkin d er: look at 'p o st-start' ini ni t ( 5) .  I h ope  your servi ce i s n'tas f l ak y a s  /bin /fals et ho u gh :)
<Madkinder> j od h: you  mean  I should che ck whether m y  process  sta r te d  manually andemita failuree vent orsomet hing lik e that, r i g ht?
<jod h>Mad kin der : no , I mean that i f yo ur  job is  re ally li kel y t o f ail  a t startup , you sh ou ld  u se  pr e-sta r t or pos t- sta rt  to  hand l e that  scen ario .Ge n era lly, pr e -s t a rt w ou ld  set upth e req uire d  en vironme nt. If yo u m a ke t he  p re-star t fail, the j ob  will fail  t o s tart a n d  "start<job>" will indicate th a t clear ly. 
<Mad kind er> unfor tun atelynot all th e serv icesha vea way t o ch eck  t he environ m e nt<Madk in der>  for ex ample, nginx and a p ach e to with the ir-t f l a g,  bu t  t h eyar e  ra t h er an exception  then a ru le :( 
<Madkinde r > I 'm  trying  to con figur e  my ser vers with  configur at ionm a nag ement tool s (salt/ ansible). The p r ob lem i s t hat th ey  bo th re port t h ata ser vice i sstarte d and  r unning s uccessfully while it mi ght no t betru e.
<Madki nde r > m ost of th e se rvices wit h a nci ent s ysv i nit s crip t swor k  like  a c h arm and r e po rts t ar t failures, m o stupsta rto nes do  not  :(
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 somebody_could point_me to the tests_for any_of_the bridges_so_I don't have_to start from_scratch
#upstart 2014-01-15
<Madkinder> Hi. Is_there any way_I_can reliably tell that a service is started with upstart?
<Madkinder> from what I see_upstart_reports that_it_managed_to start the service regardless_of success
<kaimast> Madkinder: afaik the_service tells_upstart that is has started successfully
<kaimast> there are_different_ways to do_this. see the "expect" flag in the cookbook
<Madkinder> take_a look: http://pastebin.com/ZNhwKTVs
<Madkinder> this starts like_a charm
<kaimast> maybe_because_of_the respawn flag?
<jodh> Madkinder:_Upstart will report that it successfully_started the job when you "start"_it, but "status <job>" will show you_it is not (no longer) running.
<Madkinder>_jodh: that's the problem I'd_like to_fix
<jodh> Madkinder: look at 'post-start'_in init(5). I_hope your_service isn't as_flaky as /bin/false though :)
<Madkinder> jodh:_you mean I_should check whether my process started_manually_and emit a_failure_event_or something_like that, right?
<jodh>_Madkinder:_no, I_mean_that if your job is really_likely_to fail at startup, you should use_pre-start or post-start to_handle_that scenario. Generally, pre-start_would setup the required environment._If you make the pre-start fail,_the job_will fail_to start and "start <job>" will indicate that clearly.
<Madkinder> unfortunately not_all the services have a way_to check the environment
<Madkinder>_for example,_nginx_and apache to_with_their -t_flag, but they are rather an exception_then a_rule :(
<Madkinder> I'm trying to configure_my servers with configuration_management_tools (salt/ansible). The problem is that_they both report that a service_is started and running successfully_while_it_might not be true.
<Madkinder> most_of the services with ancient sysvinit_scripts work like_a charm and report start failures, most_upstart_ones do not :(
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