 but the drivers.
<popey> i dont think we've look at the details of phone specific PPAs or package delivery in detail yet
<thebishop> does ubuntu phone run the same kernel as the desktop?  what modifications have been made to the base system to address battery life, ui responsiveness, multiuser, etc?
<popey> thebishop: we've learned from the Ubuntu on Nexus 7, and many of those issues are being fixed and rolling through the desktop and will also end up in the phone.
<thebishop> popey, interesting.  i was talking to some devs in #ubuntu-nexus7, and they said the UI isn't going to be in the n7 image by default.  is it possible to build from source and install right now?
<popey> not yet
<jo-erlend> popey, do you know if I'll _have to_ use c++ with qt in order to write native apps, or is that just a convenience and I'll still be able to write in gtk/vala?
<mhall119> jo-erlend: that is going ot be our recommended way
<mhall119> but you should be able to write it with any language and toolkit that will run on the hardware and software
<jo-erlend> Right. Ok. Very good.
<mhall119> jo-erlend: if you use a toolkit other than the QML provided, you're going to have to do a lot more work to make it work on multiple devices and formfactors
<mhall119> which is why we're recommending QML and the Ubuntu QML components
<jo-erlend> hmm. I don't like the sound of that at all.
<mhall119> jo-erlend: it's just the nature of the toolkits, most aren't made to support multiple resolutions and form factors with a single codebase
<mhall119> we've put a lot of work into making that work with our SDK
<mhall119> so you can write your UI once and it'll work all over the place
<mhall119> but you're not going to get that with Gtk (at least not yet, I hope they add it too)
<robin-gloster1> mhall119: jono kind of just said that it's not possible at all to
but the drivers. 
 < popey > i do nt think we've look at the details of telephone specific PPAs or software delivery in detail so far 
 < thebishop > does ubuntu earphone run the same kernel as the background?   what modifications have been made to the base arrangement to address battery life sentence, ui responsiveness, multiuser, etc? 
 < popey > thebishop: we've learned from the Ubuntu on Nexus 7, and many of those issues are being specify and rolling through the desktop and will also end up in the phone. 
 < thebishop > popey, interesting.   i was talking to some devs in # ubuntu - nexus7, and they said the UI isn't go to be in the n7 image by default.   is it possible to build up from source and install right now? 
 < popey > not so far 
 < jo - erlend > popey, do you know if I'll _ have to _ use c++ with qt in order to write native apps, or is that barely a convenience and I'll still be able to write in gtk / vala? 
 < mhall119 > jo - erlend: that is going ot be our recommended way 
 < mhall119 > but you should be able to write it with any language and toolkit that will run on the hardware and software 
 < jo - erlend > Right. Ok. Very good. 
 < mhall119 > jo - erlend: if you use a toolkit other than the QML provided, you're going to have to do a lot more employment to make it work on multiple device and formfactors 
 < mhall119 > which is why we're recommend QML and the Ubuntu QML components 
 < jo - erlend > hmm. I don't like the sound of that at all. 
 < mhall119 > jo - erlend: it's just the nature of the toolkits, most aren't made to support multiple resolution and form factors with a single codebase 
 < mhall119 > we've put a lot of work into make that work with our SDK 
 < mhall119 > so you can write your UI once and it'll work all over the plaza 
 < mhall119 > but you're not going to catch that with Gtk (at least not yet, I hope they add it too) 
 < robin - gloster1 > mhall119: jono kind of just said that it's not potential at all to
 buh the drivers.
<popey> i donu think we've look at the detaims of phune specific PPAs or package dwliveey in detail yet
<thebisfop> does lbuntu phine cun the same kerisl as tmz desibop?  chet modificationx have beet made to the tare system to address battery life, ui wesponsovfness, multiuset, etc?
<kopqy> tgvblshop: we've learned from the Ubunfu on Ntxus 7, and many of yhose issues are being fixfd ajd rolling through the desktok anq will also evd up in the phone.
<thebjshop> popey, interesting.  i was galkiug to some eecs lt #ubuntu-nexns7, and they said tmv UI ist't goinb to be in the n7 mmagw by default.  is it pmssible to build ftom source aud install right now?
<pipwy> noj yet
<bo-eruwnd> pokey, dk you nnox if I'll _habe to_ use c++ with qt in order tp rgote native alps, or if that just a convenience and I'll still be able to write in gtk/vaoa?
<mhall119> jo-erlend: that is going ot be our recommended way
<mhall119> but you should be able go cvlte kr aith any language and toolkit that will run og tne hardware and foftware
<jo-etlfnc> Right. Ok. Veri good.
<mkzlm119> jo-erlend: if you kse a tjolkir other tran yhe QML provided, you're goint to have to eo a lot more work to make it worl on kultiple devices and foxmfactkrs
<mhall119> whlch is whg we're recommendivg AMN and tht Ubuntu QML compogents
<jo-eroend> hmm. I aon't like ehe sound lf that at all.
<mhall119> jo-erpend: nt's jgst the nahure of the toolkits, most aren't made to suppott kulniple resjlutipns and form sactors with a single codecase
<mhall119> se've puv a lot of wjrk into makith that work xith our FDK
<myall119> so you zan write your UI once cud it'll wirk all over the pkacg
<mgall119> but you're uuu toing to get tnat wieh Gvk (at neast not yed, I fopd they add it too)
<vobkn-glpster1> mhall119: jono king of just said that it'x kot possivle at ajl to
but the drivers. <popey> i dont think at details of specific PPAs or <thebishop> ubuntu phone run same kernel as desktop? what modifications have been made the base system to address battery life, ui responsiveness, multiuser, etc? <popey> thebishop: learned from the Ubuntu on Nexus 7, and many of those issues are fixed rolling the and will also end up in the phone. <thebishop> popey, interesting. i was talking to some in #ubuntu-nexus7, and they said the UI isn't to be in the image by default. is it to from source install now? not yet <jo-erlend> do you know if I'll _have to_ use c++ with qt in order to write native apps, is that convenience and still able write in gtk/vala? that is going ot be our but you should be able to write it any language toolkit that will run on the and software <jo-erlend> Right. Ok. Very good. <mhall119> if you use a toolkit other than the QML provided, you're going to have to lot more work to it work on devices formfactors which why we're QML and the Ubuntu QML components <jo-erlend> hmm. I don't like sound of that at all. <mhall119> jo-erlend: it's just the the most aren't made support multiple resolutions and factors a single codebase <mhall119> a of that with SDK <mhall119> so you write your UI once and work all over the going to get that with Gtk (at least yet, I hope they add it too) mhall119: jono kind of just said that it's not possible at all
 but the drivers.
<popey> i dont thInk we've looK at thE deTaiLs Of phOne sPecific PPAs or pACkagE delivery in detail yet
<thEbishOp> DOes uBUnTu phoNe run thE SaME KerNeL aS thE dESkTop?  whAt mOdificaTions have bEen MaDe to the base sYStEm to addresS baTtery life, ui rEspOnsiveNeSs, mULtiusEr, eTc?
<popEy> thebIShop: we'Ve learned FrOM the UbUNtu on NeXUS 7, aNd maNy of those issues arE BeINg fixed and rollIng thrOuGH tHE DesKtoP and will alSo End up IN the phoNE.
<tHEBIshOP> popey, interesTing.  i was talKIng To some DeVs iN #Ubuntu-Nexus7, AnD TheY said the UI iSn't gOing to be iN the n7 iMAge by deFAult.  is iT possiBle To bUild FRoM sOurCe ANd iNStAll RIghT now?
<popeY> nOt Yet
<jo-ErleND> POPey, dO yoU knoW if I'lL _have to_ use c++ wiTh qT in oRDer To wriTe natIve aPpS, or is That juSt a coNvEnience and I'll stIll bE able to wrIte In Gtk/VaLa?
<mhaLL119> jo-erlEnd: ThaT is goinG ot be ouR RecOmMENDeD way
<mhall119> but you shoUlD BE aBle to wriTe it wiTH aNy LAnguage aNd TooLkit THAt wilL run ON tHe hardwaRe and sOFtWaRe
<jo-erlEnD> Right. ok. verY goOd.
<mhaLL119> jo-eRlend: iF you use a ToolkIT other than the Qml provided, you'rE GoING tO Have To dO a lot more woRk to MAke iT worK On MulTIple dEviceS aND fORmfactors
<mhall119> which Is Why we'rE recoMmending QML anD the Ubuntu qml ComponenTs
<jo-ERlENd> hmm. I don't like The soUnd of that aT All.
<mhall119> Jo-erlEnd: it's juSt the natuRE Of the tooLkiTs, mOst AreN'T MaDe to support muLTIple ReSolutioNs aNd form fActOrs WitH a sInGle codebaSe
<mhall119> wE'vE pUt A lOt oF work INto makinG tHat WoRk wIth ouR sDK
<mhaLl119> so yOu caN wRiTE yoUr UI oncE AnD IT'll wOrK aLl ovEr tHe Place
<MhalL119> But You're noT going to gEt tHAt wiTh gtK (at leasT not yet, I hope tHeY add it too)
<rObIn-gLoster1> MHAll119: jono kInd of just said that it's not POssible At aLl to
 but the drivers.
<popey>i dont thi nk we 've  lo ok  atthedetails of pho n e sp ecific PPAs or package  deli ve r y in de tailyet
<th e bi s h op>  d oe s u bu n tu  phon e r un thesame kerne l a sthe desktop?  w hat modifi cat ions have be enmade t othe basesys tem t o addr e ss bat tery life ,u i resp o nsivene s s ,mult iuser, etc?
<pope y >t hebishop: we'v e lear ne d  f r o m t heUbuntu onNe xus 7 ,  and ma n yo f tho s e issues arebeing fixed and  rolli ng  th r ough t he de sk t opand will al so e nd up inthe ph o ne.
<th e bishop>  popey , i nte rest i ng . iwa s  ta l ki ngt o s ome devs  i n#ubun tu-n e x u s 7, a ndthey  said  the UI isn't  go ingt o b e inthe n 7 im ag e bydefaul t.  i sit possible tobuil d from so urc eand  i nstal l  right  no w?<popey>  not ye t 
<j o- e r l en d> popey, do you k no w if  I'll _h ave to _  u se c++ with  q t i n or d e r towrit e  n ative ap ps, or is  t hat jus ta conv en ien ceand I ' ll s till b e able t o wri t e in gtk/vala? <mhall119> jo - er l e nd :  tha t i s going otbe o u r re comm e nd edw ay
<m hall1 19 >  b u t you should be abl eto wri te it  with any lan guage andt o o lkit tha t wi l lr un on the hard wareand softwa r e
<jo-er lend>  Right.Ok. Veryg o od.
<mha ll1 19>  jo -er l e nd : if you usea tool ki t other  th an theQML  pr ovi ded ,you're go ing to h av eto  d o a  lotm ore work  t o m ak e i t wor k  on mu ltipl e de vi ce s  an d formf a ct o r s
<m ha ll 119>  wh ic h iswhyw e'r e recom mending Q MLa nd t he  U buntu Q ML components 
< jo-erlend>  h mm.  I don ' t  like th e sound of that at all. <mhall1 19>  jo-e rlen d: it's j ust  the n atu r e of t he too lkits ,mos t aren' t ma deto  support m u l tip le re so luti ons and  form factors with a s ingle codebas e
< mhal l 1 19 > w e 'v e  pu ta  lo t of work into ma king thatwo r kwith our S D K
< mh all119>  so you  canw rite yo ur UI onc e and it' ll  wor k all  over theplace
<m hall119>b ut yo u 'r e not  go ing to  g etthatwith G t k ( at le ast no tyet, I  hope  t hey addit too)
<robin-gloster1 > mhal l119:  jo no kind o f j u stsaid that  it' s not poss ibl e a t all  to 
 but_the drivers.
<popey>_i dont think we've_look at_the_details of_phone_specific PPAs or_package delivery in_detail yet
<thebishop> does ubuntu_phone run the_same_kernel as the desktop?  what modifications have been made to the base system_to_address battery_life,_ui_responsiveness, multiuser, etc?
<popey> thebishop: we've_learned from the Ubuntu on_Nexus 7,_and many of those issues are being fixed_and_rolling through the_desktop and will also end up in the phone.
<thebishop>_popey, interesting.  i was talking_to some devs_in_#ubuntu-nexus7,_and they said the_UI isn't going to be in_the n7 image by default. _is it possible to build from source_and install right now?
<popey> not yet
<jo-erlend>_popey, do you know if_I'll _have_to_ use c++ with qt_in order to_write native_apps, or is_that just a convenience and I'll_still be able_to write in gtk/vala?
<mhall119> jo-erlend: that_is_going ot be_our_recommended_way
<mhall119> but_you should be_able_to write_it_with any language and toolkit that_will_run on the hardware and software
<jo-erlend> Right._Ok. Very good.
<mhall119> jo-erlend:_if_you use a toolkit_other than the QML provided,_you're going to have to do_a lot_more work_to make it work on multiple devices and formfactors
<mhall119> which is_why we're recommending QML and the_Ubuntu QML components
<jo-erlend> hmm._I don't_like_the sound of_that_at all.
<mhall119>_jo-erlend: it's just the nature of the_toolkits, most_aren't made to support multiple resolutions_and form factors with_a_single codebase
<mhall119> we've put a lot_of work into making that work_with our SDK
<mhall119> so you_can_write_your UI once and it'll_work all over the place
<mhall119> but_you're not going_to get that with Gtk (at least_not_yet, I hope they add it_too)
<robin-gloster1>_mhall119: jono kind of just said_that_it's_not possible at all to