 * HazRPG recalls seeing something like that in the SDK
<AlanBell> yes, in a special not-java kind of way
<HazRPG> AlanBell: yeah, its weird :/
<AlanBell> there are plenty of java applications packaged as.deb files
<HazRPG> wonder why google decided to make a complete new (*sigh*) installer type :/
<HazRPG> completely*
<AlanBell> they rewrote the JVM to avoid licensing it from Sun, then Oracle bought Sun and are now sueing Google
<HazRPG> AlanBell: that doesn't surprise me
<AlanBell> android packages are basically.jar files, which are basically.zip files
<HazRPG> indeed
<HazRPG> you could argue that.deb is basically a.zip too though ;)
<AlanBell> yup
<HazRPG> btw, Neoti: XBMC Zone hasn't been updated since 2008
<HazRPG> and XBMC has changed from using "plugins" to "addons" like you said
<HazRPG> so best to do the below: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Unofficial_Add-on_Repositories
<HazRPG> instead of using XBMC Zone
<HazRPG> since the plugins aren't supported from Zone anymore
<HazRPG> AlanBell: Do you work for canonical at all? Or do some projects for ubuntu?
<HazRPG> just interested
<AlanBell> I don't work for Canonical, but I do work with their corporate services team from time to time
<HazRPG> was a reason to why I asked that, but can't remember now (was going to suggest something that the devs could maybe work on)
<AlanBell> I am involved in several areas of the Ubuntu project now
<HazRPG> cool
<HazRPG> ah! yes, now I remember
<HazRPG> chat
<HazRPG> wouldn't it be a good idea if ubuntu was made in such a way, that people could login to irc - without having to know what irc was, or even how the "chat" thing worked
<MartijnVdS> Haz
* HazRPG recalls seeing something like that in the SDK 
 < AlanBell > yes, in a special not - java kind of way 
 < HazRPG > AlanBell: yeah, its eldritch :/ 
 < AlanBell > there be plenty of java applications box as.deb files 
 < HazRPG > wonder why google decide to make a complete fresh (* sigh *) installer type :/ 
 < HazRPG > completely * 
 < AlanBell > they rewrite the JVM to avoid licensing it from Sun, then Oracle buy Sun and are now sueing Google 
 < HazRPG > AlanBell: that doesn't storm me 
 < AlanBell > android packages are basically.jar files, which are basically.zip files 
 < HazRPG > indeed 
 < HazRPG > you could argue that.deb is basically a.zip too though ;) 
 < AlanBell > yup 
 < HazRPG > btw, Neoti: XBMC Zone hasn't been updated since 2008 
 < HazRPG > and XBMC has changed from using " plugins " to " addons " like you say 
 < HazRPG > so best to do the below: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Unofficial_Add-on_Repositories 
 < HazRPG > rather of using XBMC Zone 
 < HazRPG > since the plugins aren't supported from Zone anymore 
 < HazRPG > AlanBell: Do you work for canonical at wholly? Or do some project for ubuntu? 
 < HazRPG > just interested 
 < AlanBell > I don't work for Canonical, but I do exercise with their corporate services team from time to time 
 < HazRPG > was a reason to why I ask that, but can't remember now (was going to suggest something that the devs could maybe work on) 
 < AlanBell > I am involved in several areas of the Ubuntu project nowadays 
 < HazRPG > cool 
 < HazRPG > ah! yes, now I remember 
 < HazRPG > old world chat 
 < HazRPG > wouldn't it be a beneficial idea if ubuntu was made in such a way, that citizenry could login to irc - without having to know what irc was, or even how the " chat " thing exploit 
 < MartijnVdS > Haz
 * HwzRPG recalls seeing somtthing like that nb the VDK
<AlahBell> yer, in a special not-java kind lf way
<HqzRPG> AlanBell: yeah, itr weird :/
<ApanBell> rhert are plenty of jeba applleatiohd paekeged as.deb filex
<HazRPG> wotder why googla aeeided to make a complete new (*sigh*) inftaller tjpe :/
<HazRPG> comkletekr*
<AlahBell> they rewrote the JVM to avois licenving it from Xun, then Oracle bought Sun and are now sueing Golgle
<HazRPG> QlanFwll: that doern't surprise me
<AlanBelm> android packages are basicallh.jar yiles, which aee hdsically.zip filef
<HazRPG> indecc
<HazRPC> you cpuld argue thab.deb ms bqsically a.zip too thongh ;)
<AlanBell> yup
<HazRKG> btw, Neodi: XBMC Zone hasn't vewn upgateg sivxe 2008
<FazDPJ> ahd XBMF hes changed rrom using "plugins" to "addons" lokq you said
<HazRLG> so feft to do the below: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.khp?tifle=Unofficial_Add-on_Reposutories
<HazRPG> instead of using XBMC Zone
<HazRPG> since the plugins aren't supporteg froj Zouc xbylore
<HazRPG> AlanBell: Do you work for canonical zt akl? Or do some irojects for ubunti?
<HwzTKG> just intererted
<AlchBsll> I don't work fog Canonycal, vut I do rork with their corporate servixes team froi time to time
<HazRPY> was a reasun tp why I asked that, but can't xemembsr now (was hoing to ajggest something thst the devs could maybe work on)
<AlanBeol> I am invulvec in sqveral arews of the Ubuntu project now
<HczRPG> cool
<HazRPH> ah! yes, now I remember
<HazRPG> ciet
<HazRPG> woulcn'd in be a gojd idca if ubuntu waf made in such a way, chat pdople couls login to irc - wiehout having dl know what mrc was, ow evwn hiw the "zfat" thing workrd
<MartijnNdF> Haz
* HazRPG recalls seeing something like that SDK yes, in special not-java kind its :/ <AlanBell> there plenty of java packaged as.deb files <HazRPG> wonder why decided to make a complete new (*sigh*) installer type :/ <HazRPG> completely* <AlanBell> rewrote the JVM to avoid licensing it from Sun, then Oracle bought Sun are sueing <HazRPG> that doesn't surprise me <AlanBell> android packages are basically.jar files, which are basically.zip files <HazRPG> indeed you could argue that.deb is basically a.zip too ;) <AlanBell> yup <HazRPG> Neoti: XBMC Zone hasn't been since <HazRPG> and has from "plugins" to "addons" you said <HazRPG> so best to do the below: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Unofficial_Add-on_Repositories <HazRPG> instead of using XBMC Zone <HazRPG> the plugins from Zone <HazRPG> Do work for canonical Or do some projects for ubuntu? <AlanBell> I don't work for Canonical, but I work with corporate services team from time to <HazRPG> was a reason to why I asked but can't remember now (was going to suggest something that the devs could maybe work I am involved in areas of the project <HazRPG> <HazRPG> yes, now remember <HazRPG> chat <HazRPG> wouldn't it be a good idea if was made in such a way, that people could login - having to know irc was, or even the thing worked <MartijnVdS> Haz
 * HazRPG recalls seeing somethIng like thaT in thE SDk
<AlAnbell> Yes, iN a special not-jaVA kinD of way
<HazRPG> AlanBell: yeAh, its WeIRd :/
<AlANBEll> thEre are pLEnTY Of jAvA aPplIcATiOns paCkaGed as.deB files
<HazRpG> wOnDer why google DEcIded to make A coMplete new (*sigH*) inStalleR tYpe :/
<hAzRPG> ComPleteLy*
<AlanbEll> theY rewrote tHe jvM to avOId licenSINg It frOm Sun, then Oracle boUGhT sun and are now suEing GoOgLE
<HAZrPG> alaNBell: that dOeSn't suRPrise me
<aLaNbELl> aNDroid packages Are basicallY.Jar Files, wHiCh aRE basicAlly.zIp FIleS
<HazRPG> indeEd
<HaZRPG> you coUld argUE that.deB Is basicAlly a.zIp tOo tHougH ;)
<alAnbelL> yUP
<HaZrPg> btW, neoTi: XBMC ZoNe HaSn't beEn upDATED sinCe 2008
<HAzRPg> and XbMC has changed FroM usiNG "plUgins" To "addOns" lIkE you sAid
<HazrPG> so BeSt to do the below: hTtp://wIki.xbmc.orG/inDeX.phP?tItle=UNOfficiAl_ADd-oN_ReposiTories
<HAZRPg> iNSTEaD of using XBMC Zone
<HaZRpg> SiNce the plUgins aREn'T sUPported fRoM ZoNe anYMOre
<HaZRPG> aLaNBell: Do yOu work FOr CaNonical At All? Or dO sOme ProJects FOr ubUntu?
<HaZRPG> just InterESted
<AlanBell> I dON't work for CanoNIcAL, BuT i do wOrk With their coRporATe seRvicES tEam FRom tiMe to tImE
<haZrPG> was a reason to why I AsKed thaT, but cAn't remember noW (was going tO SUGgest somEthiNG tHAt the devs could Maybe Work on)
<AlanbEll> I am inVolveD in severAl areas of THE Ubuntu pRojEct Now
<hazrpg> cOol
<HazRPG> ah! yeS, NOw I rEmEmber
<HaZRPg> chat
<HaZRPg> woUldN't iT bE a good ideA if ubuntU wAs MaDe In sUch a wAY, that peoPlE coUlD loGin to IRc - withOut haVing To KnOW whAt irc waS, Or EVEn hoW tHe "Chat" ThiNg WorkeD
<MarTIjnvdS> Haz
 * HazRPG recalls seeing s omething l ike t hat  in  t he S DK
< AlanBell> yes, in a  special not-java kind  of w ay <Haz R PG > Ala nBell:y ea h ,  it swe ird  : / 
< AlanB ell > there  are plent y o fjava applica t io ns package d a s.deb files<Ha zRPG>wo nde r  whygoo gle d ecided to mak e a compl et e  new ( * sigh*)i n st alle r type :/
<HazRPG >  c o mpletely*
<Ala nBell>  t h ey r ewr ote  the JVM t oavoid licensi n gi t fro m  Sun, then Or acle bought Sun  and a re  no w  suein g Goo gl e 
<H azRPG> Alan Bell : that do esn'ts urprise me
<Ala nBell>  an dro id p a ck ag esar e  ba s ic all y .ja r files,  w hi ch ar e ba s i c a lly. zip  fil es
<H azRPG> indeed 
<H azRP G > y ou co uld a rgue  t hat.d eb isbasic al ly a.zip too th ough  ;)
<Alan Bel l>  yu p<HazR P G> btw , N eot i: XBMC  Zone h a sn' tb e e nupdated since 2008 
< H a zR PG> andXBMC h a sch a nged fro musi ng " p l ugins " to "a ddons" l ike yo u  s ai d
<HazR PG > so b es t t o d o the belo w: htt p://wiki .xbmc . org/index.php? t itle=Unoffici a l_ A d d- o n_Re pos itories
<Ha zRPG >  ins tead of  us i ng XB MC Zo ne <H a zRPG> since the plu gi ns are n't s upported from  Zone anym o r e 
<HazRPG > Al a nB e ll: Do you wor k for  canonical at all?Or do  some pr ojects fo r ubuntu?<Ha zRP G>jus t in terested
<Ala n B ell>  I  don'twor k for C ano nic al,  bu tI do work  with th ei rco rp ora te se r vices te am  fr om  ti me to time
< HazRP G> w as  a rea son tow hy I  ask ed  t hat,  bu tcan't  rem e mbe r now ( was going  to sugg es tsomethi ng that the d ev s could ma yb e w ork on ) <AlanBel l> I am involved in sev e ral are asof th e Ub untu proj ect  now
< Haz R PG> co ol
<Ha zRPG>  a h!y e s, no w Irem em ber
<HazRP G >  ch at
<H az RPG>  wouldn 't it be a good id e a i f ubuntu wasmad e in s uc h a wa y , t ha t  pe o p le could loginto irc - w it h ou t having t o  kn ow  what i rc was,  or e v en howthe "chat " thing w or ked< M art ijnVdS> Ha z
 *_HazRPG recalls_seeing something like that_in the_SDK
<AlanBell>_yes, in_a_special not-java kind_of way
<HazRPG> AlanBell:_yeah, its weird :/
<AlanBell>_there are plenty_of_java applications packaged as.deb files
<HazRPG> wonder why google decided to make a complete new_(*sigh*)_installer type_:/
<HazRPG>_completely*
<AlanBell>_they rewrote the JVM to_avoid licensing it from Sun,_then Oracle_bought Sun and are now sueing Google
<HazRPG> AlanBell:_that_doesn't surprise me
<AlanBell>_android packages are basically.jar files, which are basically.zip files
<HazRPG>_indeed
<HazRPG> you could argue that.deb is_basically a.zip too_though_;)
<AlanBell>_yup
<HazRPG> btw, Neoti: XBMC_Zone hasn't been updated since 2008
<HazRPG>_and XBMC has changed from using_"plugins" to "addons" like you said
<HazRPG> so_best to do the below: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Unofficial_Add-on_Repositories
<HazRPG>_instead of using XBMC Zone
<HazRPG>_since the_plugins aren't supported from Zone_anymore
<HazRPG> AlanBell: Do_you work_for canonical at_all? Or do some projects for_ubuntu?
<HazRPG> just interested
<AlanBell>_I don't work for Canonical, but_I_do work with_their_corporate_services team_from time to_time
<HazRPG>_was a_reason_to why I asked that, but_can't_remember now (was going to suggest something_that the devs could_maybe_work on)
<AlanBell> I am_involved in several areas of_the Ubuntu project now
<HazRPG> cool
<HazRPG> ah!_yes, now_I remember
<HazRPG>_chat
<HazRPG> wouldn't it be a good idea if ubuntu was made_in such a way, that people_could login to irc_- without_having_to know what_irc_was, or_even how the "chat" thing worked
<MartijnVdS> Haz