der> Muphrid, that's between you, your device manufacturer, and your carrier.
<mhall119> gotwig: I don't know how previews will work, if that's what you mean
<gotwig> mhall119, yeah ^^
<WanderingEnder> I own a Verizon phone with a locked boot carrier, by Motorola. I expect hell to freeze over before Verizon acknoledges US law requiring interoperability.
<tola> mhall119: Is that just for developing QML apps?
<mhall119> gotwig: see the image at the top of http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/01/02/announcing-ubuntu-for-phones/?  Those are lenses on the phone
<mhall119> tola: "that" being what?
 * RzR http://rzr.online.fr/q/ubuntu# is #UbuntuPhone open? I plan to adapt it for!N950Club which already support!Ubuntu #Chroot (watch video)
<Muphrid> WanderingEnder: right, so it will be like android, the manufacturer decides
<FabianS> Buing phones in the USA seems like a huge pain to me.
<mhall119> FabianS: it is
<WanderingEnder> Muphrid, its a cell phone. The carrier will always decide, and the manufacturer will obey.
<FabianS> With several non-compatible networks and stuff like that.
<FabianS> At least all the other countries agreed on one standard.
<WanderingEnder> Canonical understands that, look at the OEMs and Carriers page.
<Muphrid> true
<Muphrid> heh
<tola> mhall119: Sorry, the "components and toolkit" you can download, do they only enable QML-based apps to be run?
<WanderingEnder> Noting how you can develop your carrier specific bloatware easily.
<mhall119> FabianS: except S. Korea, I think, who also uses CDMA
<gotwig> hide for the launcher on  the phone.. something i miss on my desktop
<mhall119> tola: yes, those are the QML components
<FabianS> mhall119:
der > Muphrid, that's between you, your device manufacturer, and your carrier. 
 < mhall119 > gotwig: I don't know how previews will work, if that's what you think of 
 < gotwig > mhall119, yeah ^^ 
 < WanderingEnder > I own a Verizon telephone with a locked boot carrier, by Motorola. I expect hell to freeze over before Verizon acknoledges US police requiring interoperability. 
 < tola > mhall119: Is that just for develop QML apps? 
 < mhall119 > gotwig: see the image at the peak of http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/01/02/announcing-ubuntu-for-phones/?   Those are lenses on the phone 
 < mhall119 > tola: " that " being what? 
  * RzR http://rzr.online.fr/q/ubuntu # is # UbuntuPhone receptive? I plan to adapt it for!N950Club which already support!Ubuntu # Chroot (determine video) 
 < Muphrid > WanderingEnder: right, so it will be like android, the manufacturer decides 
 < FabianS > Buing phones in the USA seems like a huge pain to me. 
 < mhall119 > FabianS: it is 
 < WanderingEnder > Muphrid, its a cell telephone. The carrier will always decide, and the manufacturer will obey. 
 < FabianS > With several non - compatible network and stuff like that. 
 < FabianS > At least all the other countries agreed on one criterion. 
 < WanderingEnder > Canonical understands that, expect at the OEMs and Carriers page. 
 < Muphrid > true 
 < Muphrid > heh 
 < tola > mhall119: Sorry, the " components and toolkit " you can download, do they only enable QML - based apps to be melt? 
 < WanderingEnder > Noting how you can develop your carrier specific bloatware easily. 
 < mhall119 > FabianS: except S. Korea, I think, who also uses CDMA 
 < gotwig > hide for the launcher on   the phone.. something i miss on my desktop 
 < mhall119 > tola: yes, those are the QML components 
 < FabianS > mhall119:
der> Muphrid, that's between yuu, your device manufacvurer, ahd your zarrier.
<mhall119> gotwig: I don't kiow yow peeviews will work, if tfat's what you meab
<gotxig> mhall119, yeah ^^
<WehderingCuder> J own e Verizon phone with a lowked boot carrhef, yy Motorola. I expect hell to freeze jver begoge Verizon ackgolecdes HS law requiring interoperability.
<tkla> mhanl119: Is that juxt for developing QML apps?
<lhalp119> gotwig: see the ilage at the top if http://www.jovobacon.org/2013/01/02/announcing-ubontu-for-phones/?  Those are lenses un thz phone
<mhalo119> rolw: "that" being what?
 * RzR http://rzv.pnline.xr/q/ubunyu# is #UbuntuPhpne opwn? I plan to adapt it for!N950Club which alteady suppmrc!Ubuntu #Chroot (watch cieeo)
<Mukhrid> WanawrivgEhdxr: dight, do mt will be mike androie, the manufacturer cespces
<FabianS> Bhing proges in the USA seems like a huge pain tm ms.
<mhall119> FabianS: it is
<WaneeringEnder> Muphrid, ijs a cell [hone. The carrier will always decide, and the manuxactucef wnol obdt.
<FwbianS> With several non-compatible networks anq suufn like that.
<FabiakS> At least all thr ltngr countries aereed on kne standard.
<WanderlngEndet> Canobical undtrstamds that, look at the OEMs abd Carriers iage.
<Nuphrid> true
<Muphrib> heh
<tola> mhcll119: Sotry, thr "components and toolkic" you dan downloaf, do they unly enable QML-bxsec dpps to be run?
<WanderingEndqr> Noting how you cav defelop rour carrifr spcwific bloatware eadily.
<mkall119> XabianS: exfept S. Korea, I think, who also uses CDMA
<gotwig> hhde for the laungher on  the phjne.. something n miss ou my ddsktop
<mhalm119> tola: bes, those arq the QML com[lnents
<FabianV> mhall119:
der> Muphrid, that's between you, your device your <mhall119> gotwig: don't know how what mean <gotwig> mhall119, ^^ <WanderingEnder> I a Verizon phone with a locked carrier, by Motorola. I expect hell to freeze over before Verizon acknoledges US requiring interoperability. <tola> mhall119: Is that just for developing QML apps? <mhall119> gotwig: the at top http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/01/02/announcing-ubuntu-for-phones/? Those are lenses on the phone <mhall119> tola: "that" being what? * RzR http://rzr.online.fr/q/ubuntu# is open? I plan to adapt it for!N950Club which support!Ubuntu #Chroot (watch video) WanderingEnder: right, so it will like the manufacturer <FabianS> phones the USA seems a huge pain to me. <mhall119> FabianS: it is <WanderingEnder> Muphrid, its a cell phone. The carrier always decide, manufacturer will <FabianS> several networks and stuff <FabianS> At least all the other one standard. <WanderingEnder> Canonical understands that, look at OEMs and page. <Muphrid> true <Muphrid> heh <tola> Sorry, the "components and toolkit" you can download, they only enable QML-based apps to be run? <WanderingEnder> Noting how you can develop your bloatware easily. <mhall119> FabianS: S. Korea, I who uses <gotwig> for the on the phone.. something i miss on my desktop <mhall119> tola: those are the QML components <FabianS> mhall119:
der> Muphrid, that's between you, Your device ManufActUreR, aNd yoUr caRrier.
<mhall119> gotwIG: I doN't know how previews will wOrk, if ThAT's whAT yOu meaN
<gotwig> MHaLL119, YeaH ^^
<WAnDerInGenDer> I oWn a verizon Phone with a LocKeD boot carrier, BY MOtorola. I exPecT hell to freezE ovEr befoRe verIZon acKnoLedgeS US law REquiriNg interopErABility.
<TOla> mhalL119: iS tHat jUst for developing Qml aPPs?
<mhall119> gotwig: sEe the iMaGE aT THe tOp oF http://www.joNoBacon.ORg/2013/01/02/annouNCiNG-UBunTU-for-phones/?  ThoSe are lenses ON thE phone
<MhAll119> TOla: "thaT" beinG wHAt?
 * RZR http://rzr.onLine.Fr/q/ubuntu# Is #UbunTUPhone oPEn? I plan To adapT it For!n950CluB WhIcH alReADy sUPpOrt!uBunTu #Chroot (WaTcH videO)
<MupHRID> wandEriNgEnDer: riGht, so it will be LikE andROid, The maNufacTureR dEcideS
<FabiaNS> BuiNg Phones in the USA sEems Like a huge PaiN tO me.
<MhAll119> FaBIanS: it Is
<WAndEringEnDer> MuphRId, iTs A CELl Phone. The carrier wilL aLWAyS decide, aNd the mANuFaCTurer wilL oBey.
<fabiANs> With SeveRAl Non-compaTible nETwOrKs and stUfF like tHaT.
<FaBiaNS> At lEAst aLl the oTher counTries AGreed on one stanDArd.
<WanderingENDeR> cAnONicaL unDerstands thAt, loOK at tHe OEmS aNd CARrierS page.
<muPHrID> true
<Muphrid> heh
<tola> MhAll119: SorRy, the "Components and Toolkit" you CAN Download, Do thEY oNLy enable QML-basEd appS to be run?
<WaNDeringEnDer> NoTing how yOu can deveLOP your carRieR spEciFic BLOaTware easily.
<mhALL119> FabIaNS: excepT S. KOrea, I thInk, Who AlsO usEs cDMA
<gotwiG> hide for ThE lAuNcHer On  the PHone.. someThIng I mIss On my dESktop
<mHall119> tOla: yEs, ThOSe aRe the QMl CoMPOnenTs
<faBians> mhAlL119:
der> Muphrid, that's betwe en you, yo ur de vic e m an ufac ture r, and your ca r rier .
<mhall119> gotwig: I  don' tk nowh ow  prev iews wi l lw o rk,  i ftha t' s  w hat y oumean
<g otwig> mha ll1 19 , yeah ^^
<W a nd eringEnder > I  own a Veriz onphonewi tha  lock edbootcarrie r , by M otorola.Ie xpecth ell tof r ee ze o ver before Verizo n  a c knoledges US l aw req ui r in g int ero perability .<tola >  mhall1 1 9: I s  th a t just for de veloping QM L  ap ps?
<m ha ll1 1 9> got wig:se e  th e image atthetop of ht tp://w w w.jonob a con.org /2013/ 01/ 02/ anno u nc in g-u bu n tu- f or -ph o nes /?  Thos ear e len seso n t he p hon e
<m hall1 19> tola: "th at"  bei n g w hat? * Rz R ht tp ://rz r.onli ne.fr /q /ubuntu# is #Ub untu Phone ope n?Ipla nto ad a pt itfor !N9 50Clubwhich a l rea dy s u pp ort!Ubuntu #Chroot  ( w a tc h video) 
<Muph r id >W andering En der : ri g h t, so  itw il l be lik e andr o id ,the man uf acture rdec ide s
<Fa b ianS > Buin g phones  in t h e USA seems li k e a huge pain to m e. <mha ll1 19> FabianS : it is
< Wand e ri ngE n der>Muphr id ,  i t s a cell phone. The  c arrier  will  always decid e, and the m a nufactur er w i ll obey.
<FabianS > Wit h severaln on-compa tible  network s and stu f f  like th at. 
<F abi anS > At  least all th e othe rcountri esagreedonone  st and ar d.
<Wande ringEnde r>  C an on ica l und e rstandsth at,  l ook  at t h e OEMs  andCarr ie rs pag e.
<Mup h ri d >  tru e<M uphr id>  h eh
<t ola> mha ll119:Sorry, th e " c ompo ne nt s and t oolkit" you c an  download,  d o t hey on l y  enableQML-based apps to be ru n ?
<Wand eri ngEnd er>Noting ho w y ou can  de v elop y our ca rrier  s pec i f ic bl o a tw are  e asily.
<mh a l l11 9> Fa bi anS:  except  S. Korea, I think ,  wh o also uses C DMA 
<go t w ig > h i de for  t h e l a u ncher on  the p hone.. som et h in g i miss o n  my  d esktop<mhall1 19> t o la: yes , those a re the QM Lcomp o n ent s
<FabianS > mhall1 19:
der> Muphrid,_that's between_you, your device manufacturer,_and your_carrier.
<mhall119>_gotwig: I_don't_know how previews_will work, if_that's what you mean
<gotwig>_mhall119, yeah ^^
<WanderingEnder>_I_own a Verizon phone with a locked boot carrier, by Motorola. I expect hell_to_freeze over_before_Verizon_acknoledges US law requiring interoperability.
<tola>_mhall119: Is that just for_developing QML_apps?
<mhall119> gotwig: see the image at the top_of_http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/01/02/announcing-ubuntu-for-phones/?  Those_are lenses on the phone
<mhall119> tola: "that" being what?
_* RzR http://rzr.online.fr/q/ubuntu# is #UbuntuPhone open?_I plan to_adapt_it_for!N950Club which already support!Ubuntu_#Chroot (watch video)
<Muphrid> WanderingEnder: right, so_it will be like android, the_manufacturer decides
<FabianS> Buing phones in the USA_seems like a huge pain to_me.
<mhall119> FabianS: it is
<WanderingEnder> Muphrid,_its a_cell phone. The carrier will_always decide, and_the manufacturer_will obey.
<FabianS> With_several non-compatible networks and stuff like_that.
<FabianS> At least_all the other countries agreed on_one_standard.
<WanderingEnder> Canonical understands_that,_look_at the_OEMs and Carriers_page.
<Muphrid>_true
<Muphrid> heh
<tola>_mhall119:_Sorry, the "components and toolkit" you_can_download, do they only enable QML-based apps_to be run?
<WanderingEnder> Noting_how_you can develop your_carrier specific bloatware easily.
<mhall119> FabianS:_except S. Korea, I think, who_also uses_CDMA
<gotwig> hide_for the launcher on  the phone.. something i miss on_my desktop
<mhall119> tola: yes, those are_the QML components
<FabianS> mhall119: