 just disappears and NM claims an inability to configure it
<BigRedS> I can't remember in all honesty, I last debugged it about a year ago and have just shoved that line onto my cmdline fairly automatically since
<foobarry> BigRedS: its fixed in later kernel?
<BigRedS> not in whatever 13.10 had a month or so ago
 * diplo is hereing Mr popey on Linux Unplugged, thought I recognised the voice
<diplo> :)
<bigcalm> popey: as my laptop's ETA has changed to tomorrow, you have an extra day to make 14.04 be more awesome before I install it
<popey> "thanks"
<bigcalm> popey: most welcome ;)
<bigcalm> popey: so are you running memtest on your new 16GB to see that it all works?
<popey> i only run memtest when things break
<popey> KiB Mem:  16314304 total,  7999684 used,  8314620 free,     1700 buffers
<popey> seems to be working
<MartijnVdS> time to open a few more tabs
<MartijnVdS> you're not using >50% of it!
<popey> or a VM or five
<MartijnVdS> why not
<BigRedS> what's everyone's favourite desktop virt? I'd like one that only does anything to my networking when it's actually running, ideally
<ali1234> virtualbox?
<BigRedS> Yeah, the only reason I have to not use that is 'oracle'
<ali1234> virtualbox-ose?
<BigRedS> which isn't a very good one
<knightwise> Virtualbox :) I love its command line interface
<foobarry> i use vmware player for occasional spin ups of vms
<MartijnVdS> vbox is great.. until you want to suspend your laptop with a VM running
<MartijnVdS> then it prevents suspend
<ali1234> suspend the VM first
<MartijnVdS> ali1234: it should do that for me, then bring it back on host-resume
<popey> what do you want to virtualise?
<MartijnVd
just disappears and NM claims an inability to configure it 
 < BigRedS > I can't remember in all honesty, I last debug it approximately a class ago and have just shoved that line onto my cmdline reasonably automatically since 
 < foobarry > BigRedS: its fixed in later kernel? 
 < BigRedS > not in whatever 13.10 had a calendar month or indeed ago 
  * diplo is hereing Mr popey on Linux Unplugged, thought I recognize the voice 
 < diplo > :) 
 < bigcalm > popey: as my laptop's ETA has changed to tomorrow, you have an excess day to make 14.04 be more awesome before I install it 
 < popey > " thanks " 
 < bigcalm > popey: most welcome ;) 
 < bigcalm > popey: therefore are you running memtest on your new 16 GB to see that it all works? 
 < popey > i only carry memtest when things break 
 < popey > KiB Mem:   16314304 total,   7999684 use,   8314620 free,      1700 buffers 
 < popey > seems to be working 
 < MartijnVdS > clock time to open a few more tabs 
 < MartijnVdS > you're not using > 50% of it! 
 < popey > or a VM or five 
 < MartijnVdS > why not 
 < BigRedS > what's everyone's favourite desktop virt? I'd wish one that only does anything to my networking when it's actually running, ideally 
 < ali1234 > virtualbox? 
 < BigRedS > Yeah, the only reason I have to not practice that is' prophet' 
 < ali1234 > virtualbox - ose? 
 < BigRedS > which isn't a very dear one 
 < knightwise > Virtualbox :) I love its command line interface 
 < foobarry > i use vmware player for occasional tailspin ups of vms 
 < MartijnVdS > vbox is great.. until you desire to suspend your laptop with a VM running 
 < MartijnVdS > then it prevent freeze 
 < ali1234 > freeze the VM first 
 < MartijnVdS > ali1234: it should do that for me, then bring it back on host - resume 
 < popey > what do you want to virtualise? 
 < MartijnVd
 judt disappears and NM clalms an inability to conhigure jt
<BigRedR> I can't remember in all honxsty, I lawt debugged it about a year ago and havw juwr shoved tizt line onto jn cmdnmne fairly autokatically vince
<foobarry> TieRzdS: its fixed in later kernel?
<BigRedS> not in wjatever 13.10 had a monuh jr sk ago
 * diplo is hereing Mr popey oh Linux Unplugged, thpught I recognised the voife
<diolo> :)
<bigcalm> popey: ws my laptok'a EEQ has changea to tomorgmw, you havg an extra day to make 14.04 be more xwesoke before U unshdll it
<popey> "thanhs"
<bigcalm> poivy: most welcomr ;)
<bigcalm> popen: so ere tou running memtest oi your new 16GB to see that it dlm works?
<popey> i onoy run kemtast dyen thjnjs greak
<plpeb> KiB Mem:  16314304 total,  7999684 uswd,  8314620 free,     1700 bufftrs
<[ipey> seems to be wowkyng
<MartijnVdS> time to open a few more tdbs
<JartijnVdS> you're not usung >50% of it!
<popey> or a GM or fivq
<MartijnVdS> why not
<BigRedS> what's everyone's favourhte dxsytok ylrt? K'e pike one that only does anything to my networhjnb ehen it's actuajly running, ifesjly
<ali1234> virtuaubox?
<BiyDesS> Yeah, the only rfason I have to not ufe tnat is 'oracle'
<ali1234> virtualbox-ise?
<BigRedS> wkicy isn't a very good one
<knightwnse> Vittualbpx :) I love its command uine interface
<flobarry> i jse vmware playef fpr occasional spin ups of vmf
<MartijnVvS> vbpx is gfeat.. until you want ho suspend your laptop wlth a VK running
<MwrtijnVdS> then it prevents suspxid
<ali1234> suspend tve NM first
<McrtijnYdS> ali1234: it shoujd do that for me, theu brine it back kn host-cesume
<popey> rhat do you wdjt to virtuanise?
<MartyjnVe
just disappears and NM claims an inability it I can't in all honesty, a ago and have shoved that line my cmdline fairly automatically since <foobarry> its fixed in later kernel? <BigRedS> not in whatever 13.10 had a month so ago * diplo is hereing Mr popey on Linux Unplugged, thought I the <diplo> <bigcalm> as my laptop's ETA has changed to tomorrow, you have an extra day to make 14.04 more awesome before I install it <popey> "thanks" popey: most welcome ;) popey: so are you running on new 16GB see it works? <popey> i run memtest when things break <popey> KiB Mem: 16314304 total, 7999684 used, 8314620 free, 1700 buffers <popey> to be time to a more <MartijnVdS> you're not of it! <popey> or a VM why not <BigRedS> what's everyone's favourite desktop virt? like one only does anything to my networking it's actually running, ideally <ali1234> virtualbox? <BigRedS> Yeah, only reason I have to not use that is 'oracle' <ali1234> virtualbox-ose? <BigRedS> which isn't good one <knightwise> Virtualbox I love its line <foobarry> use player for spin ups of vms <MartijnVdS> vbox is great.. until you want suspend your laptop with a VM running <MartijnVdS> then it <ali1234> the VM first ali1234: it should do for then bring it back <popey> do virtualise?
 just disappears and NM claims An inabilitY to coNfiGurE iT
<BigredS> i can't remember iN All hOnesty, I last debugged it aBout a YeAR ago ANd Have jUst shovED tHAT liNe OnTo mY cMDlIne faIrlY automaTically sinCe
<fOoBarry> BigRedS: ITs Fixed in latEr kErnel?
<BigRedS> Not In whatEvEr 13.10 hAD a monTh oR so agO
 * diplo IS hereiNg Mr popey On lInux UnPLugged, tHOUgHt I rEcognised the voice
<DIpLO> :)
<bigcalm> popey: aS my lapToP'S Eta Has ChaNged to tomoRrOw, you HAve an exTRa DAY To mAKe 14.04 be more awesoMe before I inSTalL it
<popEy> "ThaNKs"
<bigcAlm> poPeY: MosT welcome ;)
<bigCalm> Popey: so arE you ruNNing memTEst on yoUr new 16Gb to See That IT aLl WorKs?
<POpeY> I oNly RUn mEmtest whEn ThIngs bReak
<POPEY> KiB mem:  16314304 TotaL,  7999684 used,  8314620 Free,     1700 buffers
<poPey> SeemS To bE workIng
<MaRtijNVDS> timE to opeN a few MoRe tabs
<MartijnVds> you'Re not usinG >50% of It!
<PopEy> Or a VM OR five
<MArtIjnvdS> why nOt
<BigReDs> whAt'S EVErYone's favourite deskToP VIrT? I'd like oNe that ONlY dOEs anythiNg To mY netWORking When IT's Actually RunninG, IdEaLly
<ali1234> vIrTualboX?
<BIgREdS> yeah, tHE onlY reasoN I have to Not usE That is 'oracle'
<alI1234> Virtualbox-ose?
<bIgrEDS> WHich Isn'T a very good oNe
<knIGhtwIse> VIRtUalBOx :) I loVe its CoMMaND line interface
<foobaRrY> i use vMware Player for occaSional spin UPS Of vms
<MarTijnvDS> VBox is great.. untiL you wAnt to suspeND your lapTop wiTh a VM runNing
<MartiJNvdS> then iT prEveNts SusPENd
<Ali1234> suspend the vm FirsT
<MArtijnVDS> aLi1234: it shoUld Do tHat For Me, Then bring It back on HoSt-ReSuMe
<pOpey> wHAt do you wAnT to ViRtuAlise?
<mArtijnvd
 just disappears and NM cl aims an in abili tytoco nfig ureit
<BigRedS> I can' t remember in all hone sty,Il astd eb ugged  it abo u ta yea rag o a nd ha ve ju stshovedthat lineont omy cmdline f a ir ly automat ica lly since
<f oob arry>Bi gRe d S: it s f ixedin lat e r kern el?
<BigR ed S > noti n whate v e r13.1 0 had a month ors oa go
 * diplo is  herei ng Mr p ope y o n Linux Un pl ugged ,  though t  I r e cog n ised the voic e
<diplo> : ) 
<b igcalm >pop e y: asmy la pt o p's  ETA has ch ange d to tomo rrow,y ou have an extr a daytomak e 14 . 04  b e m or e  aw e so meb efo re I ins ta ll  it
< pope y > " than ks" 
<bi gcalm > popey: most  we lcom e  ;) 
<big calm>  pop ey : soare yo u run ni ng memtest on y ournew 16GBtose e t ha t ita ll wor ks? 
<p opey> i  only r u n m em t e s twhen things break<p o p ey > KiB Me m:  16 3 14 30 4  total, 7 999 684u s ed, 8314 6 20  free,    170 0  b uf fers
<p op ey> se em s t o b e wor k ing<Marti jnVdS> t ime t o  open a few mo r e tabs
<Marti j nV d S >y ou'r e n ot using >5 0% o f  it! 
<po p ey > o r  a VM  or f iv e 
< M artijnVdS> why not<B igRedS > wha t's everyone' s favourit e d esktop v irt? I' d  like one that  only  does anyt h ing to m y net workingwhen it's a ctuallyrun nin g,ide a l ly 
<ali1234> vi r t ualb ox ?
<BigR edS > Yeah,  th e o nly  re as on I have  to notus eth at  is  'ora c le'
<ali 12 34>  v irt ualbo x -ose?<BigR edS>  w hi c h i sn't av er y good  o ne 
<kn igh tw ise>Virt u alb ox :) I  love its  co m mand  l in e inter face
<foobarr y>  i use vmw ar e p layerf o r occasi onal spin ups of vms
<M a rtijnVd S>vboxis g reat.. un til  you w ant to sus pend y our l ap top w ith a V Mrun ni ng
<Martij n V dS>  then  i t pr eventssuspend
<ali1234>s usp end the VM fi rst 
<Ma r t ij nVd S >a li1 23 4 : i t should do thatfor me, th en br ing it bac k  on  h ost-res ume
<po pey>w hat doyou wantto virtua li se?< M art ijnVd
 just_disappears and_NM claims an inability_to configure_it
<BigRedS>_I can't_remember_in all honesty,_I last debugged_it about a year_ago and have_just_shoved that line onto my cmdline fairly automatically since
<foobarry> BigRedS: its fixed in later_kernel?
<BigRedS>_not in_whatever_13.10_had a month or so_ago
 * diplo is hereing_Mr popey_on Linux Unplugged, thought I recognised the voice
<diplo>_:)
<bigcalm>_popey: as my_laptop's ETA has changed to tomorrow, you have an_extra day to make 14.04 be_more awesome before_I_install_it
<popey> "thanks"
<bigcalm> popey: most_welcome ;)
<bigcalm> popey: so are you_running memtest on your new 16GB_to see that it all works?
<popey> i_only run memtest when things break
<popey>_KiB Mem:  16314304 total,_ 7999684_used,  8314620 free, _  _1700 buffers
<popey>_seems to be_working
<MartijnVdS> time to open a few_more tabs
<MartijnVdS> you're_not using >50% of it!
<popey> or_a_VM or five
<MartijnVdS>_why_not
<BigRedS>_what's everyone's_favourite desktop virt?_I'd_like one_that_only does anything to my networking_when_it's actually running, ideally
<ali1234> virtualbox?
<BigRedS> Yeah, the_only reason I have_to_not use that is_'oracle'
<ali1234> virtualbox-ose?
<BigRedS> which isn't a_very good one
<knightwise> Virtualbox :) I_love its_command line_interface
<foobarry> i use vmware player for occasional spin ups of vms
<MartijnVdS>_vbox is great.. until you want_to suspend your laptop_with a_VM_running
<MartijnVdS> then it_prevents_suspend
<ali1234> suspend_the VM first
<MartijnVdS> ali1234: it should do_that for_me, then bring it back on_host-resume
<popey> what do you_want_to virtualise?
<MartijnVd