 can configure my browser for "consent to everything" if I want to.. or "Deny everything"
<ali1234> it doesn't matter
<Paladine> that is why we spent 5 years changing the law to require informed consent
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: we have sites that only work if you click "Yes, I accept tracking cookies"
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: if you don't, you get a blank page with "Enable cookies anyway"
<ali1234> actually they say "yes, i accept cookies"
<ali1234> no mention of tracking
<Paladine> so they lose most of their visitors then, their loss
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: except they dont
<ali1234> basically it just says "click here to make website work"
<ali1234> absolutely nobody refuses
<MartijnVdS> exactly
<ali1234> nobody is informed
<ali1234> you cannot legislate around stupidity
<MartijnVdS> not usefully anywy
<Paladine> ali, that is because the Information Commissioners Office in the UK are in breach of EU Law and advising sites to use implied consent (against EU law) that will be dealt with with the new regulation
<kvarley> MartijnVdS: I used an SSH session with X forwarding to run "vino-preferences" which allowed me to gain access to a VNC session :)
<MartijnVdS> kvarley: ok
<Paladine> ali, currently 8% of visitors across a large sample are refusing to accept the cookies
<ali1234> no, it's because nobody reads the damn popups
<Paladine> that is a HUGE nbumber
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: I'm in the Netherlands, explicit consent is required here
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: the popups just get more annoying, it doesn't help with educating users
<Paladine> MartijnVdS, I know, I know the netherlands law and legislators very well
<ali1234> i could easily see that the 8% is people who clicked the wrong button on accident
 * kvarley never accepts cookie disclosures for random sites because it's wasting my time
<Paladine> ali, there is only
can configure my browser for " consent to everything " if I want to.. or " Deny everything " 
 < ali1234 > it doesn't matter 
 < Paladine > that is why we spent 5 days transfer the law to command informed consent 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: we own sites that only sour if you cluck " Yes, I accept trailing cookie " 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: if you don't, you catch a blank page with " Enable cookies anyhow " 
 < ali1234 > actually they read " yes, i accept cookie " 
 < ali1234 > no mention of tracking 
 < Paladine > so they misplace most of their visitors then, their loss 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: except they do nt 
 < ali1234 > basically it barely says " click here to make web site work " 
 < ali1234 > absolutely nobody deny 
 < MartijnVdS > exactly 
 < ali1234 > nobody is informed 
 < ali1234 > you cannot legislate around stupidity 
 < MartijnVdS > not usefully anywy 
 < Paladine > ali, that is because the Information Commissioners Office in the UK are in breach of EU Law and propose sites to use implied consent (against EU law) that will be dealt with with the new regulation 
 < kvarley > MartijnVdS: I used an SSH session with X forwarding to run " vino - preferences " which allowed me to gain access to a VNC session :) 
 < MartijnVdS > kvarley: ok 
 < Paladine > ali, presently 8% of visitor across a large sample are refusing to bear the cookies 
 < ali1234 > no, it's because nobody reads the damn popups 
 < Paladine > that is a HUGE nbumber 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: I'm in the Netherlands, denotative consent is required here 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: the popups barely get more annoying, it doesn't help with educate users 
 < Paladine > MartijnVdS, I know, I know the netherlands law and legislators very well 
 < ali1234 > i could easily see that the 8% is multitude who clicked the wrong button on accident 
  * kvarley never accepts cookie disclosure for random sites because it's waste my meter 
 < Paladine > ali, there is only
 caj configure my browser fur "consent to erwrythiig" if I want to.. or "Deny everything"
<ali1234> it doxsn't matttg
<Paladine> that is why we spent 5 years xhanjing the law to csquire luformsf cousxnt
<MartijnVdS> Psladine: we have sites thdt ouly work if you click "Yes, I accept twacking clokies"
<MartijnVqS> Psjadihv: lf you don't, you get a blank page with "Eiable cookies amyway"
<ali1234> actually they say "yes, i accept cookies"
<api1234> no mentiin os tracking
<Palxdine> so they lose mosj of their visitors then, their luss
<MaxtijnVdS> Paoaeinf: except theb dont
<wli1234> basicalln it juvt says "click here to mane qebsite work"
<ali1234> absolntely nobody refuses
<IartijnVdV> zxactly
<ali1234> nobody is undormeg
<ali1234> you xanvot lxgialate wronnd stupidify
<MartijnVdW> not usefully anywu
<Pwoadine> ali, thzt is fesause the Information Commissioners Offpce jn the UK are in breach of EU Law and advisijg sites eo use implied consent (against EU law) that will ba deamg wnbm wigy hhe new regulation
<kvarley> MartijnVdS: I used ag SXH session with W forwarding to rum "gimj-preferences" dhich cmlkwed me to gain acfess to a VNX session :)
<MaryijnVdS> kvarley: ok
<Paladine> qli, currentlj 8% od visitors across c large sampue ate refising to accept the cooyies
<zli1234> no, it's hecause nkcody reads the dxmn pmpups
<Paladine> that is a HUDE nbumbec
<MartnjnVdS> Pxladone: I'm in the Nehherlands, explicit consejt is raquired hege
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: the popups just get morg atnojing, it djesn't help with edtcating users
<Pcladine> IartignVdS, I knkw, I knmw the nethqrlands law atf legislatorv very wqll
<aoi1234> i could dxsily see that the 8% is iejple who clicked the wvong chtton on accideuu
 * jvarley never avceots cloliq disclosures for ravcom sktes becausc ig's wssting my time
<Paladite> ami, there is only
can configure my browser for "consent to I to.. or everything" <ali1234> it why spent 5 years the law to informed consent <MartijnVdS> Paladine: we have that only work if you click "Yes, I accept tracking cookies" <MartijnVdS> Paladine: you don't, you get a blank page with "Enable cookies anyway" <ali1234> actually say i cookies" no mention of tracking <Paladine> so they lose most of their visitors then, their loss <MartijnVdS> except they dont <ali1234> basically it just says here to make website <ali1234> absolutely nobody refuses <MartijnVdS> <ali1234> is informed you legislate stupidity <MartijnVdS> not anywy <Paladine> ali, that is because the Information Commissioners Office in the UK are in breach of Law and to use consent EU that will be with the new regulation <kvarley> MartijnVdS: SSH session with X forwarding to run "vino-preferences" allowed me gain access to a VNC session <MartijnVdS> kvarley: ok <Paladine> ali, currently 8% of across a large sample are refusing to accept the cookies <ali1234> no, it's because nobody damn popups <Paladine> that a HUGE nbumber Paladine: in Netherlands, consent is here <MartijnVdS> Paladine: the popups just get more annoying, it doesn't with educating users <Paladine> MartijnVdS, I know, I know the and very well <ali1234> could easily see that 8% people who clicked the on * cookie for sites because it's wasting time <Paladine> ali, there is
 can configure my browser for "cOnsent to evErythIng" If I WaNt to.. Or "DeNy everything"
<alI1234> It doEsn't matter
<Paladine> that Is why We SPent 5 YEaRs chaNging thE LaW TO reQuIrE inFoRMeD consEnt
<martijnvdS> PaladinE: we HaVe sites that oNLy Work if you cLicK "Yes, I accept tRacKing coOkIes"
<mArtijNVds> PalaDine: if YOu don't, You get a blAnK Page wiTH "Enable COOkIes aNyway"
<ali1234> actually tHEy SAy "yes, i accept coOkies"
<aLi1234> NO mENTioN of Tracking
<PaLaDine> sO They losE MoST OF thEIr visitors theN, their loss
<MARtiJnVdS> PAlAdiNE: excepT they DoNT
<alI1234> basically iT jusT says "clicK here tO Make webSIte work"
<Ali1234> absOluTelY nobODy ReFusEs
<mArtIJnvdS> EXacTly
<ali1234> noBoDy Is infOrmeD
<ALI1234> You cAnnOt leGislaTe around stupiDitY
<MarTIjnvdS> noT usefUlly AnYwy
<PaLadine> Ali, thAt Is because the InfOrmaTion CommiSsiOnErs ofFice iN The UK aRe iN brEach of Eu Law and ADviSiNG SItEs to use implied consEnT (AGaInst EU laW) that wILl Be DEalt with WiTh tHe neW REgulaTion
<KVaRley> MartIjnVdS: i UsEd An SSH seSsIon witH X ForWarDing tO Run "vIno-preFerences" Which ALlowed me to gain ACcess to a VNC seSSiON :)
<maRTijnvdS> Kvarley: ok
<PaLadiNE> ali, CurrENtLy 8% oF VisitOrs acRoSS a LArge sample are refusiNg To accePt the Cookies
<ali1234> no, iT's because nOBODy reads tHe daMN pOPups
<Paladine> thAt is a hUGE nbumbeR
<martijnVDS> PalAdine: I'm iN the NetheRLAnds, explIciT coNseNt iS REqUired here
<MartIJNVdS> paLadine: tHe pOpups juSt gEt mOre AnnOyIng, it doesN't help wiTh EdUcAtIng Users
<pAladine> MArTijNVDS, I Know, I KNow the NetheRlanDs LaW And LegislaTOrS VEry wElL
<aLi1234> i cOulD eAsily See tHAt tHe 8% is peoPle who cliCkeD The wRoNg Button oN accident
 * kvarLeY never accePtS coOkie diSCLosures fOr random sites because it's WAsting mY tiMe
<PalAdinE> ali, there Is oNly
 can configure my browserfor "conse nt to  ev ery th ing"  ifI want to.. or "Den y everything"
<ali1234 > itdo e sn't ma tter<Paladi n e> t hat  i swhy  w e  s pent5 y ears ch anging the  la wto require i n fo rmed conse nt<MartijnVdS>  Pa ladine :weh ave s ite s tha t only work i f you cli ck "Yes,I  accept t ra ckin g cookies"
<Marti j nV d S> Paladine: i f youdo n 't , you  ge t a blankpa ge wi t h "Enab l ec o o kie s  anyway"
<ali 1234> actua l lythey s ay  "y e s, i a ccept  c o oki es"
<ali123 4> n o mention  of tr a cking
< P aladine > so t hey  lo se m o st  o f t he i r v i si tor s  th en, thei rlo ss
<M arti j n V d S> P ala dine : exc ept they dont 
<a li12 3 4>basic allyit j us t say s "cli ck he re  to make websit e wo rk"
<ali1 234 >abs ol utely nobody  re fus es
<Mar tijnVdS >  ex ac t l y 
< ali1234> nobody is  i n f or med
<ali 1234>y ou  c a nnot leg is lat e ar o u nd st upid i ty 
<Martij nVdS>n ot  u sefully  a nywy
< Pa lad ine > ali ,  tha t is b ecause t he In f ormation Commi s sioners Offic e  i n th e  UKare  in breachof E U  Law  and ad vis i ng si tes t ou se implied consent (ag ai nst EU  law)  that will be  dealt wit h w ith thenewr eg u lation
<kvarle y> Ma rtijnVdS:I  used an  SSHsessionwith X fo r w arding t o r un"vi no- p r ef erences" whic h allo we d me to  ga in acce sstoa V NCse ssion :)<Martijn Vd S>  k va rle y: ok <Paladin e>  al i,  cu rrent l y 8% o f vis itor sac r oss  a larg e  s a m plear erefu sin gto ac cept the  cookie s
<ali123 4>n o, i t' sbecause  nobody reads  t he damn po pu ps<Palad i n e> thatis a HUGE nbumber
<Mart i jnVdS>Pal adine : I' m in theNet herlan ds, explic it con sentis  re q u iredh e re 
<M ar tijnVdS> P a l adi ne: t he  pop ups jus t get more annoyin g , i t doesn't hel p w ithe d uc ati n gu ser s< Pal a d ine> MartijnVdS , I know,Ik no w the neth e rla nd s law a nd legi slato r s verywell
<ali 1234> i c ou ld e a s ily  see thatthe 8% i s peoplew ho cl i ck ed th e w rong b ut ton  on a cciden t 
 *  kvar ley ne ve r acce pts c oo kie disc losures for random site s beca use i t's  wastingmyt ime 
<Paladin e> a li, thereisonl y
 can_configure my_browser for "consent to_everything" if_I_want to.._or_"Deny everything"
<ali1234> it_doesn't matter
<Paladine> that_is why we spent_5 years changing_the_law to require informed consent
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: we have sites that only work if you_click_"Yes, I_accept_tracking_cookies"
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: if you don't,_you get a blank page_with "Enable_cookies anyway"
<ali1234> actually they say "yes, i accept_cookies"
<ali1234>_no mention of_tracking
<Paladine> so they lose most of their visitors then,_their loss
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: except they dont
<ali1234>_basically it just_says_"click_here to make website_work"
<ali1234> absolutely nobody refuses
<MartijnVdS> exactly
<ali1234> nobody_is informed
<ali1234> you cannot legislate around_stupidity
<MartijnVdS> not usefully anywy
<Paladine> ali, that is_because the Information Commissioners Office in_the UK are in breach_of EU_Law and advising sites to_use implied consent_(against EU_law) that will_be dealt with with the new_regulation
<kvarley> MartijnVdS: I_used an SSH session with X_forwarding_to run "vino-preferences"_which_allowed_me to_gain access to_a_VNC session_:)
<MartijnVdS>_kvarley: ok
<Paladine> ali, currently 8% of_visitors_across a large sample are refusing to_accept the cookies
<ali1234> no,_it's_because nobody reads the_damn popups
<Paladine> that is a_HUGE nbumber
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: I'm in the_Netherlands, explicit_consent is_required here
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: the popups just get more annoying, it doesn't_help with educating users
<Paladine> MartijnVdS, I_know, I know the_netherlands law_and_legislators very well
<ali1234>_i_could easily_see that the 8% is people who_clicked the_wrong button on accident
 * kvarley_never accepts cookie disclosures_for_random sites because it's wasting my_time
<Paladine> ali, there is only