 ARM, I think their big.LITTLE sounds rather perfectly suited for this exact use.
<Ryan45> man, my spelling is terrible in pidgin with no spellcheck.
<jo-erlend> mine is terrible with no sleep :>
<Transhumanist> what part of the world do you guys hail from?
<Ryan45> Perhaps the 2014 release frame is because they know something about the business I do not :)
<jo-erlend> Norway.
<Ryan45> that future ARM forks are all going to be dev friendly
<Ryan45> Alaska
<Transhumanist> Ryan45: yeah, they know that more powerful phones will be out by then :p
<Ryan45> Trans, you keep saying that but you dont talk about whats inside them
<Ryan45> :)
<Transhumanist> And they know that's how long it'll take to get this going with an ODM
<Transhumanist> It'll still be ARM
<Ryan45> My experience comes from the android tablet porting world
<Transhumanist> But a bunch of chip manufacturers have been opening up a bit. And Canonical's plan seems to be to work with one to get their drivers working on Ubuntu, not necessarily to open those drivers
<Transhumanist> I don't pretend that the hardware manufacturers will suddenly open up, although there's a lot of commercial pressure for that to start happening
<chriadam|away> Mm.  Intel have a pretty big potential in the mobile space, by 2014 I'm expecting really, really low TDP from their mobile chips.
<jo-erlend> I think the most important thing is to get stuff working on one reference model.
<Transhumanist> Yes
<Ryan45> Perhaps there will be a stabalization on that front
<Ryan45> BTW, to make it clear, I am not against this whole thing, i love it :)
<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, it'll be interesting to see.
<Ryan45> But I think it's more in the disruption then i assimilation
<Transhumanist> Ignoring the ROM market. Ignoring Ubuntu users who want to install it on their old phone. There WILL be a huge number of existing Ubuntu users, and non-Ubuntu first-adopters who will buy the first Ubuntu phone that comes out.
<Ryan45> I'd
ARM, I think their big. LITTLE sounds rather absolutely suitable for this accurate use. 
 < Ryan45 > man, my spelling is terrible in pidgin with no spellcheck. 
 < jo - erlend > mine is atrocious with no sleep :> 
 < Transhumanist > what part of the worldly concern do you guy hail from? 
 < Ryan45 > Perhaps the 2014 release frame is because they sleep together something about the business I do not :) 
 < jo - erlend > Norway. 
 < Ryan45 > that future ARM fork are all going to be dev friendly 
 < Ryan45 > Alaska 
 < Transhumanist > Ryan45: yeah, they know that more powerful phones will be out by then :p 
 < Ryan45 > Trans, you keep say that but you do nt talk about what s inside them 
 < Ryan45 > :) 
 < Transhumanist > And they know that's how long it'll claim to get this going with an ODM 
 < Transhumanist > It'll still be ARM 
 < Ryan45 > My experience comes from the android pad porting world 
 < Transhumanist > But a bunch of chip manufacturers have been open up a bit. And Canonical's plan seems to be to work with one to get their driver work on Ubuntu, not necessarily to open those drivers 
 < Transhumanist > I don't pretend that the hardware manufacturers will suddenly open up, although there's a lot of commercial press for that to start happening 
 < chriadam|away > Mm.   Intel receive a reasonably adult potential in the mobile quad, by 2014 I'm expecting really, really low TDP from their fluid chips. 
 < jo - erlend > I think the most important thing is to get stuff working on one reference model. 
 < Transhumanist > Yes 
 < Ryan45 > Perhaps there will be a stabalization on that front 
 < Ryan45 > BTW, to make it clean, I am not against this whole matter, i sleep together it :) 
 < jo - erlend > chriadam|away, it'll be interesting to determine. 
 < Ryan45 > But I think it's more in the disruption then i assimilation 
 < Transhumanist > ignore the ROM market. Ignoring Ubuntu users who want to install it on their old phone. There WILL be a huge number of exist Ubuntu users, and non - Ubuntu beginning - adopters who will buy the inaugural Ubuntu phone that come out. 
 < Ryan45 > I'd
 ARL, I think their big.LITTLT sounds rather pgrdectly suites for thks exact use.
<Ryan45> man, my spelpibg is terrible in pidgin wigh no speplcheck.
<ji-erltnd> mine is terriume with no slscp :>
<Trcnwhumanist> what part of tve world do yog euvs hail from?
<Ryan45> Perhaps the 2014 releasq frame id because they knoe somsnhlng about the business I do not :)
<no-erlenv> Norway.
<Ryan45> thst future ARM forks are alp golng to be dev friejdly
<Ryan45> Alqska
<Eeanshumanist> Ryan45: yeah, they know tgat more powerful phones will bd out by then :p
<Tvqn45> Htans, you kee' sayigg that but npu dond talk sbout whats inxidx thwm
<Ryan45> :)
<Transhumanist> End they know that's row long ht'ml take to get thus goinc widh av ODO
<Trznxhhmanish> Iv'll still bs ARM
<Ryan45> Mt experience comes grjn the android tablee [orting world
<Transhumanist> But a bunch mf dhip manufacturers have been opening up a bij. And Canogical's plan seems to be to work with one to get tveir vrkvexw woryunh on Ubuntu, not necessarily to open those dridsrx
<Tganshumanist> I dok't pretend that thr jatqware manufacjurers cjlm suddenly open up, althoudh thwre's a lou of vommercial pressure for thar to start hcppwning
<chriadam|away> Lm.  Intel hcve a kretty big potential in the mubils space, by 2014 I'm expecfkng really, reallh lpw TDP from their mobile chi[s.
<jo-erlenv> I tkink the mosj imporeant thing is to get stuff working on oue rexerence mofel.
<Transhumanist> Yes
<Ryan45> Perhaps there will bg a stdbalizatnon on that front
<Rywn45> BTW, to make it clecr, I ao not agaihst thiv whole thigg, i love it :)
<bl-erlend> chriedam|away, yt'll be unteresgkng to see.
<Ryan45> But I thpnh it'w more in the disrmptiov then i assimilcuiob
<Transhumanist> Ognurigg tie ROI market. Ignosing Ubjmtu urers who wakt go imstall it on their ond pgone. There WILL be a huge nunber of qxisting Ubunyu users, and non-Ubkntu hirst-avopterx wro will buy the first Ubuntu pgone that coies out.
<Ryan45> Y'd
ARM, I think their big.LITTLE sounds rather for exact use. man, my spelling no <jo-erlend> mine is with no sleep <Transhumanist> what part of the world you guys hail from? <Ryan45> Perhaps the 2014 release frame is because they something about the business I do not :) <jo-erlend> Norway. <Ryan45> that future forks all to dev friendly <Ryan45> Alaska <Transhumanist> Ryan45: yeah, they know that more powerful phones will be out then :p <Ryan45> Trans, you keep saying that you dont talk about inside them <Ryan45> :) <Transhumanist> they that's how it'll to this going with ODM <Transhumanist> It'll still be ARM <Ryan45> My experience comes from the android tablet porting world <Transhumanist> a bunch manufacturers have opening a And Canonical's plan be to work with one to working on Ubuntu, not necessarily to open those <Transhumanist> I pretend that the hardware manufacturers will open up, although there's a lot of commercial for that to start happening <chriadam|away> Mm. Intel have a pretty big potential in the by 2014 I'm expecting really low TDP their chips. I the most thing is to get stuff working on one reference model. <Transhumanist> <Ryan45> Perhaps there will be a stabalization on that front to it clear, I not against this whole i it :) <jo-erlend> chriadam|away, interesting see. think more the disruption then i <Transhumanist> Ignoring the ROM market. Ubuntu users who want old phone. There WILL be a huge number existing Ubuntu users, and non-Ubuntu first-adopters who buy the first Ubuntu phone that comes out. <Ryan45> I'd
 ARM, I think their big.LITTLE soUnds rather PerfeCtlY suItEd foR thiS exact use.
<Ryan45> mAN, my sPelling is terrible in pidGin wiTh NO speLLcHeck.
<jO-erlend> MInE IS teRrIbLe wItH No Sleep :>
<traNshumanIst> what parT of ThE world do you gUYs Hail from?
<RyAn45> PErhaps the 2014 relEasE frame Is BecAUse thEy kNow soMethinG About tHe businesS I DO not :)
<jo-ERlend> NoRWAy.
<ryan45> That future ARM forkS ArE All going to be deV frienDlY
<ryAN45> alaSka
<transhumanIsT> Ryan45: YEah, they KNoW THAt mORe powerful phoNes will be ouT By tHen :p
<RyAn45> traNS, you keEp sayInG ThaT but you dont Talk About whatS insidE Them
<RyaN45> :)
<transhuManist> and TheY knoW ThAt'S hoW lONg iT'Ll TakE To gEt this goInG wIth an oDM
<TRANSHumaNisT> It'lL stilL be ARM
<Ryan45> My eXpeRienCE coMes frOm the AndrOiD tablEt portIng woRlD
<Transhumanist> BUt a bUnch of chiP maNuFacTuRers hAVe been OpeNinG up a bit. and CanoNIcaL's PLAN sEems to be to work with OnE TO gEt their dRivers WOrKiNG on UbuntU, nOt nEcesSARily tO opeN ThOse driveRs
<TranSHuMaNist> I doN't PretenD tHat The HardwARe maNufactUrers wilL suddENly open up, althoUGh there's a lot oF CoMMErCIal pResSure for that To stARt haPpenINg
<ChrIAdam|aWay> Mm.  inTEl HAve a pretty big potentIaL in the MobilE space, by 2014 I'm expEcting realLY, REally low tDP fROm THeir mobile chipS.
<jo-erLend> I think THe most imPortaNt thing iS to get stuFF Working oN onE reFerEncE MOdEl.
<TranshumaniST> yes
<RYaN45> PerhapS thEre will Be a StaBalIzaTiOn on that fRont
<Ryan45> bTw, tO mAkE it Clear, i Am not agaInSt tHiS whOle thINg, i lovE it :)
<jo-ErleNd> ChRIadAm|away, iT'Ll BE InteReStIng tO seE.
<RYan45> BuT I thINk iT's more iN the disruPtiON theN i AsSimilatIon
<TranshumanIsT> Ignoring tHe rOM Market. iGNoring UbUntu users who want to instaLL it on thEir Old phOne. THere WILL bE a hUge numBer OF existIng UbuNtu usErS, anD NOn-UbuNTU fIrsT-aDopters who WILl bUy the FiRst UBuntu phOne that comes out.
<RyaN45> i'd
 ARM, I think their big.LI TTLE sound s rat her  pe rf ectl y su ited for thise xact  use.
<Ryan45> man, my  spel li n g is te rribl e in pi d gi n wit hno  sp el l ch eck.<jo -erlend > mine ister ri ble with nos le ep :>
<Tra nsh umanist> wha t p art of  t hew orlddoyou g uys ha i l from ?
<Ryan45 >P erhaps the 201 4 re leas e frame is becaus e  t h ey know someth ing ab ou t  t h e  bu sin ess I do n ot  :)
< j o-erlen d >N o r way . 
<Ryan45> tha t future AR M  fo rks ar eall goingto be  d e v f riendly
<Ry an45 > Alaska<Trans h umanist >  Ryan45 : yeah , t hey  kno w  t ha t m or e  po w er ful pho nes will  b eout b y th e n : p
<R yan 45>Trans , you keep sa yin g th a t b ut yo u don t ta lk  abou t what s ins id e them
<Ryan45>  :)<Transhum ani st > A nd  they know t hat 'show lon g it'll tak et o ge t this going withan O DM 
<Transh umanis t >It ' ll still  b e A RM
< R y an45>  Mye xp eriencecomesf ro mthe and ro id tab le t p ort ing w o rld<Trans humanist > But a bunch of chi p  manufacturer s  h a v eb eenope ning up a b it.A nd C anon i ca l's planseems  t o  b e  to work with one t oget th eir d rivers workin g on Ubunt u , not nece ssar i ly to open thosedrive rs
<Transh u manist>I don 't prete nd that t h e  hardwar e m anu fac tur e r swill suddenly o penup , altho ugh  there' s a  lo t o f c om mercial p ressurefo rth at  to  star t  happeni ng 
<c hr iad am|aw a y> Mm.   Int el h av ea  pr etty bi g  p o t enti al  i n th e m ob ile s pace ,  by  2014 I 'm expect ing real ly ,reallylow TDP fromth eir mobile  c hip s.
<jo - e rlend> I  think the most importa n t thing  is  to g et s tuff work ing  on on e r e ferenc e mode l.
<T ra nsh u m anist > Ye s
< Ry an45> Perh a p s t herewi ll b e a sta balization on that fro nt
<Ryan45> B TW,  tom a ke  it cl e ar,  I amn o t against thiswhole thin g, ilove it :) <jo -e rlend>chriada m|awa y , it'll  be inter esting to  s ee.< R yan 45> But Ithink it 's more i n  thed is rupti onthen i  a ssi milat ion
<T r ans human ist> I gn oringthe R OM  market.  Ignoring Ubuntu userswho wa nt to  in stall itont hei r old pho ne.There WILL  be  ahugenum b er of  exi s ti ngU buntu  use r s, and no n -U bun t u  f irst-adopte r s who  will  bu y  the f irst  Ubuntu phone tha t  comes out.
<R yan4 5 >  I' d
 ARM,_I think_their big.LITTLE sounds rather_perfectly suited_for_this exact_use.
<Ryan45>_man, my spelling_is terrible in_pidgin with no spellcheck.
<jo-erlend>_mine is terrible_with_no sleep :>
<Transhumanist> what part of the world do you guys hail from?
<Ryan45> Perhaps_the_2014 release_frame_is_because they know something about_the business I do not_:)
<jo-erlend> Norway.
<Ryan45>_that future ARM forks are all going to_be_dev friendly
<Ryan45> Alaska
<Transhumanist>_Ryan45: yeah, they know that more powerful phones will_be out by then :p
<Ryan45> Trans,_you keep saying_that_but_you dont talk about_whats inside them
<Ryan45> :)
<Transhumanist> And they_know that's how long it'll take_to get this going with an ODM
<Transhumanist>_It'll still be ARM
<Ryan45> My experience_comes from the android tablet_porting world
<Transhumanist>_But a bunch of chip_manufacturers have been_opening up_a bit. And_Canonical's plan seems to be to_work with one_to get their drivers working on_Ubuntu,_not necessarily to_open_those_drivers
<Transhumanist> I_don't pretend that_the_hardware manufacturers_will_suddenly open up, although there's a_lot_of commercial pressure for that to start_happening
<chriadam|away> Mm.  Intel_have_a pretty big potential_in the mobile space, by_2014 I'm expecting really, really low_TDP from_their mobile_chips.
<jo-erlend> I think the most important thing is to get stuff_working on one reference model.
<Transhumanist> Yes
<Ryan45>_Perhaps there will be_a stabalization_on_that front
<Ryan45> BTW,_to_make it_clear, I am not against this whole_thing, i_love it :)
<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, it'll be_interesting to see.
<Ryan45> But_I_think it's more in the disruption_then i assimilation
<Transhumanist> Ignoring the ROM_market. Ignoring Ubuntu users who_want_to_install it on their old_phone. There WILL be a huge_number of existing_Ubuntu users, and non-Ubuntu first-adopters who will_buy_the first Ubuntu phone that comes_out.
<Ryan45>_I'd