 can be'start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]' because rc is waiting for it to start. :-P
<SpamapS> anyway I think I'm in the weeds..
<SpamapS> slangasek: what is your longer term plan?
<slangasek> SpamapS: longer term plan is to not need a startpar bridge because everything is natively upstart
<SpamapS> slangasek: part of what I'm doing is keeping a project that wants to use Debian from using systemd or generating a ton of new sysvinit scripts.. so just help me get out in front of them.. it doesn't have to be perfect today. :)
<slangasek> or because Debian adopts systemd instead, one of the two :P
<SpamapS> ok
<SpamapS> so this resolves when the war is over. wonderful. ;)
<SpamapS> doh
<SpamapS> rsyslog isn't installed on my vm
<SpamapS> wait no it is..
<SpamapS> but it has no upstart job
<SpamapS> which explains a lot ;)
<SpamapS> slangasek: ok so for my purposes, just removing the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d is the simplest solution
<SpamapS> slangasek: cloud-init is also pretty borken and will basically never work as-is but I'll submit patches. Thanks for the feedback.
<slangasek> ah yes, rsyslog isn't upstartified yet, is it... I've not gotten around to submitting the patches since the Debian maintainer is one of the systemd maintainers, heh
<SpamapS> slangasek: doh
<SpamapS> slangasek: in a perfect world that wouldn't be problematic. :(
<slangasek> SpamapS: so, we could extend this to let init scripts signal back to upstart as well by synthesizing'start' events; this has been buried on my TODO list for a while
<slangasek> SpamapS: but that can be done as a hook into lsb init functions
<SpamapS> slangasek: yeah I always thought that would have been nice even in Ubuntu.

can be'start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345 ]' because rc is waiting for it to start. :-P 
 < SpamapS > anyway I think I'm in the pot.. 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: what is your farseeing term design? 
 < slangasek > SpamapS: longer terminus plan is to not need a startpar bridge because everything is natively nouveau-riche 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: share of what I'm doing is keep open a project that wants to practice Debian from using systemd or generating a long ton of newfangled sysvinit scripts.. so just help me get out in battlefront of them.. it doesn't have to be perfect today. :) 
 < slangasek > or because Debian adopts systemd rather, one of the two :P 
 < SpamapS > ok 
 < SpamapS > so this resolves when the war is over. wonderful. ;) 
 < SpamapS > doh 
 < SpamapS > rsyslog isn't installed on my vm 
 < SpamapS > expect no it is.. 
 < SpamapS > but it has no kip job 
 < SpamapS > which explains a lot ;) 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: ok so for my function, just removing the symlinks in /etc / rc2.d is the simplest solution 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: cloud - init is also pretty borken and will basically never shape as - is but I'll submit patches. Thanks for the feedback. 
 < slangasek > ah yes, rsyslog isn't upstartified yet, is it... I've not gotten around to submitting the patches since the Debian maintainer is one of the systemd maintainers, heh 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: doh 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: in a perfect world that wouldn't be debatable. :( 
 < slangasek > SpamapS: so, we could extend this to lease init scripts signal back to upstart as well by synthesizing'start' event; this has been buried on my TODO list for a while 
 < slangasek > SpamapS: but that can be done as a hook into lsb init routine 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: yeah I always thought that would have been nice even in Ubuntu.
 caj be'start on stopped rc VUNLEVEL=[2345]' because rc is xaiting for it go start. :-P
<SpamapS> anyway I tiink I'm ib the weeds..
<SpamapS> slavgasek: whwt is yoyr libger term 'man?
<slanncsek> AiamapV: longer term pkan is to tot need a stastoax bridge because everything is nativqly upsyagt
<SpamapS> slandasel: parf of what I'm doing is keeping a prkject tiat wants to usr Debian from using systemf or generating a ton lf new sysvunit wcripts.. so jjst help mt yet out in rront of them.. it doesn't have to be pzrfect todai. :)
<alwtgasek> or bxcause Debian adopbx systamd insyead, one of thc two :P
<SpamapS> ok
<SpamapS> so tiis resolves when thg war is oeex. wonderful. ;)
<SpamapS> dih
<WpamakS> rsfsloe isv't jnxtzlled ln jy vm
<SpamalS> wait no ut is..
<SpamapS> but it hww no upstart nob
<Spaia[S> which explains a lot ;)
<SpamapS> slangastk: ok so for my purposes, jusr removing the symlinns in /etc/wc2.d is the simplest solution
<SpamapS> slangasek: clogd-iniv ks coso pfwthy borken and will basically never work as-is fht I'kl submit patcmes. Thanks for the ffecfack.
<slangasek> ah yes, rayslog isn't upstarhified iet, is it... I've njt gptten around to submitting rhe patches funce the Debian manntainer is une pf thr systemd maintainers, hzh
<SpamzpS> slangasfk: doh
<SpajxpS> slangasek: in a ierfact world that wouldn't be [roblematmc. :(
<slcngasek> RpamspS: so, we could fxtend this to let init dcripjs sigtal back tl upstart as well by synthesiziij'start' events; tvis has beeu buricd on my TODO lyst for a whilg
<slangaseh> SpaoapS: but tgat can be done as a hook into ndb init funcvions
<SpamwpS> wlantasek: ydxh I always thpught than could havw been nice even ik Ubuvfu.

can be'start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]' because waiting it to :-P <SpamapS> anyway weeds.. slangasek: what is longer term plan? SpamapS: longer term plan is to need a startpar bridge because everything is natively upstart <SpamapS> slangasek: part of I'm doing is keeping a project that wants to use Debian from using or a of sysvinit scripts.. so just help me get out in front of them.. it doesn't have to perfect today. :) <slangasek> or because Debian adopts instead, one of the :P <SpamapS> ok <SpamapS> so resolves the war over. ;) doh <SpamapS> rsyslog installed on my vm <SpamapS> wait no it is.. <SpamapS> but it has no upstart job <SpamapS> explains a <SpamapS> slangasek: so my just removing the /etc/rc2.d is the simplest solution <SpamapS> also pretty borken and will basically never work but I'll patches. Thanks for the feedback. <slangasek> yes, rsyslog isn't upstartified yet, is it... I've gotten around to submitting the patches since the Debian maintainer is one of the systemd <SpamapS> slangasek: doh <SpamapS> in a perfect that be :( SpamapS: so, could extend this to let init scripts signal back to upstart well by synthesizing'start' events; this has been buried on my for while <slangasek> SpamapS: that can be done a into lsb init functions yeah always have nice in Ubuntu.
 can be'start on stopped rc RUNLeVEL=[2345]' becausE rc is WaiTinG fOr it To stArt. :-P
<SpamapS> anyWAy I tHink I'm in the weeds..
<Spamaps> slanGaSEk: whAT iS your Longer tERm PLAn?
<sLaNgAseK> SPAmApS: loNgeR term plAn is to not nEed A sTartpar bridgE BeCause everyThiNg is natively UpsTart
<SpAmApS> SLangaSek: Part oF what I'M Doing iS keeping a PrOJect thAT wants tO USe debiAn from using systemD Or GEnerating a ton oF new sySvINiT SCriPts.. So just help Me Get ouT In front OF tHEM.. It dOEsn't have to be pErfect today. :)
<SLanGasek> oR bEcaUSe DebiAn adoPtS SysTemd instead, One oF the two :P
<SPamapS> OK
<Spamaps> So this rEsolveS whEn tHe waR Is OvEr. wOnDErfUL. ;)
<SPamAPS> dOh
<Spamaps> rSySlog iSn't iNSTALled On mY vm
<SPamaps> wait no it is..
<SpAmaPS> buT It hAs no uPstarT job
<spAmapS> Which eXplaiNs A lot ;)
<SpamapS> slanGaseK: ok so for mY puRpOseS, jUst reMOving tHe sYmlInks in /eTc/rc2.d is THe sImPLESt Solution
<SpamapS> slaNgASEk: Cloud-iniT is alsO PrEtTY borken aNd WilL basICAlly nEver WOrK as-is but i'll subMIt PaTches. ThAnKs for tHe FeeDbaCk.
<slaNGaseK> ah yes, Rsyslog iSn't upSTartified yet, is IT... I've not gotten ARoUND tO SubmIttIng the patchEs siNCe thE DebIAn MaiNTaineR is onE oF ThE Systemd maintainers, hEh
<spamaps> slanGasek: doh
<SpamaPS> slangaseK: IN A perfect WorlD ThAT wouldn't be probLematIc. :(
<slangaseK> spamapS: sO, we coUld extenD this to leT INit scripTs sIgnAl bAck TO UpStart as well by SYNtheSiZing'staRt' eVents; thIs hAs bEen BurIeD on my TODO List for a WhIlE
<sLaNgaSek> SpAMapS: but tHaT caN bE doNe as a HOok intO lsb iNit fUnCtIOns
<spamapS> SLaNGAsek: YeAh i alwAys ThOught That WOulD have beEn nice eveN in uBuntU.

 can be'start on stopped r c RUNLEVEL =[234 5]'  be ca userc i s waiting fori t to  start. :-P
<SpamapS>anywa yI  thi n kI'm i n the w e ed s . .
< Sp am apS >s la ngase k:what is  your long erte rm plan?
<sl a ng asek> Spam apS : longer ter m p lan is  t o n o t nee d a  star tpar b r idge b ecause ev er y thingi s nativ e l yupst art
<SpamapS> sla n ga s ek: part of wh at I'm  d o in g iskee ping a pro je ct th a t wants to u s e D e bian from usi ng systemdo r g enerat in g a ton of  newsy s vin it scripts. . so  just hel p me g e t out i n  frontof the m..  it  doe s n' thav et o b e  p erf e cttoday. : )<s langa sek> o r beca use  Deb ian a dopts systemd  in stea d , o ne of  thetwo:P 
<Spa mapS>ok
<S pa mapS> so this r esol ves whenthe  w aris  over .  wonde rfu l.;)
<Spa mapS> d o h
< Sp a m a pS > rsyslog isn't in st a l le d on myvm
<Sp a ma pS >  wait no  i t i s..< S pamap S> b u tit has n o upst a rt  j ob
<Spa ma pS> wh ic h e xpl ainsa  lot  ;)
<S pamapS>slang a sek: ok so for my purposes,j us t re m ovin g t he symlinks  in/ etc/ rc2. d  i s t h e sim plest  s o lu t ion
<SpamapS> slang as ek: cl oud-i nit is also p retty bork e n and will  bas i ca l ly never workas-is  but I'lls ubmit pa tches . Thanks  for thef e edback.<sl ang ase k>a h  y es, rsyslog i s n 't u ps tartifi edyet, is  it ...  I' veno t gottenaround t osu bm it tin g the patchessi nce  t heDebia n  maint ainer  ison eo f t he syst e md m aint ai ne rs,heh 
< Spama pS>s lan gasek:doh
<Spam apS >  sla ng as ek: ina perfect wor ld  that woul dn 'tbe pro b l ematic.:(
<slangasek> SpamapS: so, wecou ld ex tend  this tolet  initscr i pts si gnal b ack t oups t a rt as w el l b ysynthesizi n g 'st art'ev ents ; thishas been buried on myTODO list for  awhil e <s lan g as e k>Sp a map S :  but that can b e done asah oo k into lsb ini tfunctio ns
<Spa mapS> slangas ek: yeahI alwaysth ough t tha t would ha ve beennice even in Ub u nt u.

 can_be'start on_stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]' because_rc is_waiting_for it_to_start. :-P
<SpamapS> anyway_I think I'm_in the weeds..
<SpamapS> slangasek:_what is your_longer_term plan?
<slangasek> SpamapS: longer term plan is to not need a startpar bridge because_everything_is natively_upstart
<SpamapS>_slangasek:_part of what I'm doing_is keeping a project that_wants to_use Debian from using systemd or generating a_ton_of new sysvinit_scripts.. so just help me get out in front_of them.. it doesn't have to_be perfect today._:)
<slangasek>_or_because Debian adopts systemd_instead, one of the two :P
<SpamapS>_ok
<SpamapS> so this resolves when the_war is over. wonderful. ;)
<SpamapS> doh
<SpamapS> rsyslog_isn't installed on my vm
<SpamapS> wait_no it is..
<SpamapS> but it_has no_upstart job
<SpamapS> which explains a_lot ;)
<SpamapS> slangasek:_ok so_for my purposes,_just removing the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d_is the simplest_solution
<SpamapS> slangasek: cloud-init is also pretty_borken_and will basically_never_work_as-is but_I'll submit patches._Thanks_for the_feedback.
<slangasek>_ah yes, rsyslog isn't upstartified yet,_is_it... I've not gotten around to submitting_the patches since the_Debian_maintainer is one of_the systemd maintainers, heh
<SpamapS> slangasek:_doh
<SpamapS> slangasek: in a perfect world_that wouldn't_be problematic._:(
<slangasek> SpamapS: so, we could extend this to let init scripts_signal back to upstart as well_by synthesizing'start' events; this_has been_buried_on my TODO_list_for a_while
<slangasek> SpamapS: but that can be done_as a_hook into lsb init functions
<SpamapS> slangasek:_yeah I always thought_that_would have been nice even in_Ubuntu.
