 Java!
 * knightwise is wrestling with the current java expliot at work
<directhex> knightwise, yeah, i know, java is basically worse than hitler. sadly, that's business for you
<knightwise> LOL
<directhex> i don't think i can free up another ~45 meg to make this fit on a CD.
<knightwise> directhex: dump Java :) be nice to the users
<directhex> knightwise, do you have a non-java version of CrashPlan's backup client?
<knightwise> directhex: I feel your pain
<dwatkins> directhex: I would like to see that, as it slows my Mac at work down
 * d3ngar actually likes Java a lot
<directhex> sadly, java is still the top choice for cross-platform Enterprise(tm) software
<dwatkins> indeed, directhex
<d3ngar> Ys
<directhex> doesn't make it any less bad than hitler though
<d3ngar> I'm no developer, but in our company I do the occasional bit of deskopt app
<dwatkins> that escalated fast
<d3ngar> directhex: as a Jew I don't like the Hitler comparison, I know you are trying to be quirky, but it's not that great
<d3ngar> And when I do need to write something that works on all platforms, I generally like using Java
<d3ngar> I quite like Python as a language, but you have to install all sorts of additional things to make the same programme run on different machines
<d3ngar> Not so good
<d3ngar> Java is better in that regard
<directhex> java's fine as long as you don't expect end-users to interact with it (since java apps always feel extremely heavy) and have buckets of ram lying around (since java's ram consumption is extraordinarily high). funnily enough it's fast, for pure cpu-bound code.
<d3ngar> directhex: agreed. Which they would have done something about Java's extensive RAM usage, but I guess it's what it is.
<Laney> bah
<Laney> always freezing when returning from lunch
<directhex> quit moaning. i'm still snowed in
<dwatkins
Java! 
  * knightwise is wrestling with the current java expliot at work 
 < directhex > knightwise, yeah, i know, java is basically worse than hitler. deplorably, that's clientele for you 
 < knightwise > LOL 
 < directhex > i don't think i can free up another ~45 million to make this burst on a CD. 
 < knightwise > directhex: dump Java :) be decent to the users 
 < directhex > knightwise, do you have a non - java adaptation of CrashPlan's backup client? 
 < knightwise > directhex: I feel your annoyance 
 < dwatkins > directhex: I would like to see that, as it slows my Mac at work down 
  * d3ngar actually like Java a lot 
 < directhex > deplorably, java is still the top option for crabbed - platform Enterprise(tm) software 
 < dwatkins > indeed, directhex 
 < d3ngar > Ys 
 < directhex > doesn't make it any less bad than hitler though 
 < d3ngar > I'm no developer, but in our company I do the periodic bit of deskopt app 
 < dwatkins > that escalated fast 
 < d3ngar > directhex: as a Jew I don't like the Hitler comparison, I acknowledge you are trying to be quirky, but it's not that great 
 < d3ngar > And when I do need to write something that work on all platforms, I generally like using Java 
 < d3ngar > I quite like Python as a language, but you accept to install all sorts of additional things to make the same programme run on different machines 
 < d3ngar > Not so full 
 < d3ngar > Java is better in that regard 
 < directhex > java's all right equally long as you don't expect end - users to interact with it (since java apps always find extremely heavy) and have buckets of aries lying around (since java's ram consumption is extraordinarily high). queerly enough it's fast, for pure cpu - bound code. 
 < d3ngar > directhex: agreed. Which they would have done something about Java's across-the-board aries usage, but I guess it's what it is. 
 < Laney > bah 
 < Laney > always freezing when return from lunch 
 < directhex > quit moaning. i'm still snowed in 
 < dwatkins
 Jaga!
 * knightwise is wrestllng with the curtebt jave explikt at wofk
<directhex> knightwise, yeah, m kniw, jaca is basically worse ghan hitlvr. sadly, rhat'w business hkr you
<kknghtwjde> LMO
<directhex> i dpn't think h can free up dnutker ~45 meg to make this fit on a CD.
<knidhtwise> dlrecthex: dump Tava :) be hpct to the users
<directhex> knightwiss, do yol have a non-java fersion of CrashPlan's backkp cpient?
<knightwise> digecthex: I fgsl riur pain
<dwatyins> direcuhzx: I would mike to see that, as it slows my Mac ct work dowb
 * d3nhdr actually likef Java a lot
<directhef> sadly, java is still thx top choice for cross-plavform Enterprise(tm) sjftware
<dwdtiins> indeed, direcrhwx
<d3ngdr> Yv
<dirdxthdx> soxsn'f make it any less gad than hirler though
<d3ngar> I'm nj developer, buf in otr company I do the occasional bit of desnopf app
<dwatkins> that escaoated fast
<d3ngar> direcjhex: as a Tew I don't like the Hitler comparison, I know you dre tcykng tj ve quirky, but it's not that great
<d3ngar> And when Y dp keed to write soiething thay aoths on all plajforms, N gsnerally like usinh Java
<d3ggar> U quite lyke Lython as a language, but yoy have to infrall all sorts of cdditional tkings jo makr the same programme ruu on djfferent mafhines
<d3ngzf> Not so good
<d3ngxr> Mavd is betudr in that regard
<qirecthex> javc's fine xs lpng as you don't fxpecb end-users to interwct wnth id (since jaga apps always feel extremely hxevy) and have nuwkens of ram lyinn around (since tava's ram consomption if extfaordinarimy high). funnily enjugh it's fast, vor pure cpu-uound codq.
<d3ngqr> durectheb: agreed. Which yhey woulb havw done something anout Gzva's extensive XCM usage, but I gurss it'f ahet it hs.
<Laney> bah
<Ldney> aldsys ffeezing whek rdturming from lunch
<direcdhex> quit moaning. i'm syijl snowee in
<dwathins
Java! * knightwise is wrestling with the expliot work <directhex> yeah, i know, hitler. that's business for <knightwise> LOL <directhex> don't think i can free up ~45 meg to make this fit on a CD. <knightwise> directhex: dump Java be nice to the users <directhex> knightwise, do you have a non-java version CrashPlan's client? directhex: feel your pain <dwatkins> directhex: I would like to see that, as it slows my Mac work down * d3ngar actually likes Java a <directhex> sadly, java is the top choice for cross-platform software indeed, directhex Ys doesn't it any less than hitler though <d3ngar> I'm no developer, but in our company I do the occasional bit of app <dwatkins> fast <d3ngar> as Jew don't like the I know you are trying to it's not that great <d3ngar> And when I need to something that works on all platforms, generally like using Java <d3ngar> I quite like as a language, but you have to install all sorts of additional things to make programme run on different <d3ngar> Not so <d3ngar> is in regard <directhex> fine as long as you don't expect end-users to interact with (since java apps always feel extremely heavy) and have buckets lying (since java's ram is extraordinarily high). funnily it's for pure cpu-bound code. agreed. they something Java's RAM usage, but I it's what it is. <Laney> <Laney> always freezing when moaning. i'm still snowed in <dwatkins
 Java!
 * knightwise is wrestling With the curRent jAva ExpLiOt at Work
<Directhex> knighTWise, Yeah, i know, java is basicalLy worSe THan hITlEr. sadLy, that's BUsINEss FoR yOu
<kNiGHtWise> LoL
<dIrectheX> i don't thinK i cAn Free up anotheR ~45 MeG to make thiS fiT on a CD.
<knightWisE> direcThEx: dUMp JavA :) be Nice tO the usERs
<direCthex> knigHtWIse, do yOU have a nON-JaVa veRsion of CrashPlan's BAcKUp client?
<knightWise> diReCThEX: i feEl yOur pain
<dwaTkIns> diREcthex: I WOuLD LIke TO see that, as it sLows my Mac at WOrk Down
 * d3nGaR acTUally lIkes JAvA A loT
<directhex> sAdly, Java is stiLl the tOP choice FOr cross-PlatfoRm ENteRpriSE(tM) sOftWaRE
<dwATkIns> INdeEd, directHeX
<d3Ngar> YS
<dirECTHEx> doEsn'T makE it anY less bad than hItlEr thOUgh
<D3ngar> i'm no dEvelOpEr, but In our cOmpanY I Do the occasional Bit oF deskopt aPp
<dWaTkiNs> That eSCalateD faSt
<d3Ngar> dirEcthex: aS A JeW I DON'T lIke the Hitler comparIsON, i kNow you arE tryinG To Be QUirky, but It'S noT thaT GReat
<d3Ngar> aNd When I do nEed to wRItE sOmethinG tHat worKs On aLl pLatfoRMs, I gEneralLy like usIng JaVA
<d3ngar> I quite liKE Python as a lanGUaGE, BuT You hAve To install alL sorTS of aDditIOnAl tHIngs tO make ThE SaME programme run on diffErEnt macHines
<D3ngar> Not so gooD
<d3ngar> Java IS BEtter in tHat rEGaRD
<directhex> java'S fine As long as yoU Don't expeCt end-Users to iNteract wiTH It (since jAva AppS alWayS FEeL extremely heaVY) And hAvE bucketS of Ram lyinG arOunD (siNce JaVa's ram conSumption Is ExTrAoRdiNarilY High). funnIlY enOuGh iT's fasT, For purE cpu-bOund CoDe.
<D3NgaR> directHEx: AGReed. whIcH theY woUlD have Done SOmeThing abOut Java's eXteNSive rAm uSage, but i guess it's what It Is.
<Laney> bah
<laNey> Always FREezing whEn returning from lunch
<dirECthex> quIt mOaninG. i'm sTill snoweD in
<DwatkiNs
 Java!
 * knightwise is wr estling wi th th e c urr en t ja va e xpliot at work <dir ecthex> knightwise, ye ah, i  k n ow,j av a isbasical l yw o rse  t ha n h it l er . sad ly,  that's  businessfor  y ou
<knightwi s e>  LOL
<dire cth ex> i don'tthi nk i c an  fr e e upano ther~45 me g  to ma ke this f it on a C D .
<knig h t wi se>directhex: dump J a va :) be nice tothe us er s 
< d i rec the x> knightw is e, do you hav e  a n o n-j a va version of  CrashPlan' s  ba ckup c li ent ? 
<knig htwis e> dir ecthex: I f eelyour pain 
<dwat k ins> di r ecthex:  I wou ldlik e to se etha t, asi tslo w s m y Mac at  w or k dow n
 * d 3 n garact uall y lik es Java a lot 
<d irec t hex > sad ly, j avais  stil l thetop c ho ice for cross-p latf orm Enter pri se (tm )softw a re
<dw atk ins > indee d, dire c the x< d 3 ng ar> Ys
<directhex>  d o e sn 't makeit any le ss bad than  h itl er t h o ugh
< d3ng a r>  I'm nodevelo p er ,but inou r comp an y I  do  theo ccas ionalbit of d eskop t  app
<dwatkins >  that escalat e df a st <d3n gar > directhex : as a Je w Id on 'tl ike t he Hi tl e rc omparison, I know y ou  are t rying  to be quirky , but it's n o t that g reat <d 3 ngar> And when  I do  need to w r ite some thing  that wo rks on al l platform s,I g ene ral l y  l ike using Jav a <d3n ga r> I qu ite  like P yth onasa l an guage, bu t you ha ve  t oin sta ll al l  sorts o fadd it ion al th i ngs to  make  the  s am e  pr ogramme ru n on d if fe rent  ma ch ines<d3n g ar>  Not so  good
<d3 nga r > Ja va  i s bette r in that reg ar d
<directh ex > j ava'sf i ne as lo ng as you don't expecte nd-user s t o int erac t with it  (s ince j ava apps a lwaysfeelex tre m e ly he a v y)  an dhave bucke t s  of  ramly ingaround(since java's ramc ons umption is ex tra ordi n a ri lyh ig h ).fu n nil y enough it's fas t, for pur ec pu -bound cod e .
< d3 ngar> d irecthe x: ag r eed. Wh ich theywould hav edone s ome thing abou t Java's  extensiv e  RAMu sa ge, b utI gues sit' s wha t it i s .
< Laney > bah<L aney>alway sfreezing  when returning from lu nch
<d irect hex > quit mo ani n g.i'm still  sno wed in
<dw atk ins 
 Java!
_* knightwise_is wrestling with the_current java_expliot_at work
<directhex>_knightwise,_yeah, i know,_java is basically_worse than hitler. sadly,_that's business for_you
<knightwise>_LOL
<directhex> i don't think i can free up another ~45 meg to make this_fit_on a_CD.
<knightwise>_directhex:_dump Java :) be nice_to the users
<directhex> knightwise, do_you have_a non-java version of CrashPlan's backup client?
<knightwise> directhex:_I_feel your pain
<dwatkins>_directhex: I would like to see that, as it_slows my Mac at work down
_* d3ngar actually_likes_Java_a lot
<directhex> sadly, java_is still the top choice for_cross-platform Enterprise(tm) software
<dwatkins> indeed, directhex
<d3ngar> Ys
<directhex>_doesn't make it any less bad than_hitler though
<d3ngar> I'm no developer, but_in our company I do_the occasional_bit of deskopt app
<dwatkins> that_escalated fast
<d3ngar> directhex:_as a_Jew I don't_like the Hitler comparison, I know_you are trying_to be quirky, but it's not_that_great
<d3ngar> And when_I_do_need to_write something that_works_on all_platforms,_I generally like using Java
<d3ngar> I_quite_like Python as a language, but you_have to install all_sorts_of additional things to_make the same programme run_on different machines
<d3ngar> Not so good
<d3ngar>_Java is_better in_that regard
<directhex> java's fine as long as you don't expect end-users_to interact with it (since java_apps always feel extremely_heavy) and_have_buckets of ram_lying_around (since_java's ram consumption is extraordinarily high). funnily_enough it's_fast, for pure cpu-bound code.
<d3ngar> directhex:_agreed. Which they would_have_done something about Java's extensive RAM_usage, but I guess it's what_it is.
<Laney> bah
<Laney> always freezing_when_returning_from lunch
<directhex> quit moaning. i'm_still snowed in
<dwatkins