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#upstart 2013-01-19
<xnox> JanC: yeah, I was pondering that if $PWD is null or '/' then all paths are absolute.
<xnox> and the contrary case possible to launch additional user session init with whacky HOME env by hand.
<JanC> well, with upstart running as a user, things would certainly start to get weird
<xnox> yeah, previously we didn't use any of XDG_* nor HOME env variables =/ and now it's quickly becoming interesting.
 * xnox thinks that plymouth would be so much better off written using libnih
#upstart 2014-01-13
<SpamapS> slangasek: any idea on how to get upstart to print stuff on the console in sid?
<gabrbedd> Hello! When upstart emits an event... is there a way to get that event broadcast over something like dbus?
<gabrbedd> E.g. I have a system daemon that needs to be notified of upstart events as they happen.
<gabrbedd> nevermind... I was using upstart 1.5.  I see that this "just works" in 1.10.
<SpamapS> gabrbedd: :)
<SpamapS> slangasek: uugggh.. startpar.c has mixed tabs and spaces
<slangasek> SpamapS: which stuff are you looking for upstart to print on the console?
<slangasek> if this is about upstart's log messages, I don't know; but somewhere along the line there was a behavior change, I think on the kernel side, that caused upstart's use of kmsg to not work the way it had previously
<SpamapS> slangasek: init: starting foo.. 
<SpamapS> slangasek: ahh yeah if kmsg is not working the same way that might do it
<SpamapS> slangasek: I _do_ see some init: stuff in dmesg
<SpamapS> slangasek: hey I'm reading startpar's upstart integration and wondering if there is a huge race condition
<SpamapS> slangasek: Help me understand.. startpar is going to wait
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 # upstart 2013 - 01 - 19 
 < xnox > JanC: yeah, I was pondering that if $ PWD is null or' /' then all paths are absolute. 
 < xnox > and the contrary subject potential to launch additional exploiter seance init with whacky HOME env by hand. 
 < JanC > well, with upstart run as a user, things would surely depart to get eldritch 
 < xnox > yeah, previously we didn't use any of XDG _ * nor HOME env variables =/ and now it's quickly become interesting. 
  * xnox thinks that plymouth would be so much better off spell using libnih 
 # upstart 2014 - 01 - 13 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: any idea on how to perplex upstart to print stuff on the console in sid? 
 < gabrbedd > Hello! When upstart emit an event... is there a way to get that event broadcast over something like dbus? 
 < gabrbedd > E.g. I own a system daemon that needs to be notified of upstart event as they happen. 
 < gabrbedd > nevermind... I was using upstart 1.5.   I see that this " just works " in 1.10. 
 < SpamapS > gabrbedd: :) 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: uugggh.. startpar.c has mixed tabs and spaces 
 < slangasek > SpamapS: which stuff are you look for upstart to print on the console? 
 < slangasek > if this is about kip's logarithm messages, I don't know; but somewhere along the line there was a demeanor change, I remember on the kernel side, that caused kip's use of kmsg to not work the way it had previously 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: init: starting foo.. 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: ahh yeah if kmsg is not working the same way that might do it 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: I _ do _ see some init: stuff in dmesg 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: hey I'm reading startpar's upstart consolidation and wondering if there be a huge raceway condition 
 < SpamapS > slangasek: Help me understand.. startpar is going to expect
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#upstart 2013-01-19
<xkox> JanC: yeah, I cqs ponvering fhat if $OWD is null or '/' then all patis aee abwolute.
<xnox> and the congrary casv possiblw to oaunch addmfional mfer acssiou mnit with whacki HOME env bf hand.
<JanC> weln, dich upstart running as a user, things rould crrhainly start tj geu wqird
<snox> yeah, previously we didn't use zny of QDG_* nor HOME env fariables =/ and now it's quifkly becoming interestlng.
 * xnox tyinkf that plymough would bt vo much bejter off written using libnih
#upsgart 2014-01-13
<XpamapS> slqntasfn: any idea in hor to get upsbsrt to print xtuff on the cpnsmle in sid?
<gabrbedd> Hello! When upstart emitf an evend... ns there a way to get tyat eeent broxecart kvxr aomethlng like dbus?
<fabrbedd> E.g. I have a system datmog that needs tk be njtyfied of upstart events as they happen.
<gdbrgedd> nevermind... I was usung upstart 1.5.  I see tjat this "tust works" in 1.10.
<SpamapS> gabrbedd: :)
<SpamapS> slangasek: gugggi.. rtaxbiar.c yad mixed tabs and spaces
<slangasek> SpamapS: whicr suufn are you lookinn for upstart to ptijt jn the consolg?
<slangasek> if this is about kpstart'f log messages, I dpn't know; but somewhere alont the line tkerw was a behavior ckange, I thiny on the lernel side, that caused upsfart's use ov kmsg to vot work the way it hdd previously
<SpamapS> slangwsek: init: staxting fou.. 
<SpsmapS> flangasek: whh ycdh if kmsg is not aorkiug tha same way that might do it
<SpamapS> slangasek: I _do_ see spma itit: stufy in dkesg
<SpamapS> sjangasek: hey I'k readiug staftpar's upsnart intejration and rondering if djere is a huje race cjndirion
<WpamapS> rlangasek: Help me understand.. starrpar is going to weit
kind of expansion #upstart 2013-01-19 <xnox> JanC: was that if is null or absolute. and the contrary possible to launch user session init with whacky HOME by hand. <JanC> well, with upstart running as a user, things would certainly to get weird <xnox> yeah, previously we didn't use any of XDG_* nor env =/ now quickly becoming interesting. * xnox thinks that plymouth would be so much better off written using #upstart 2014-01-13 <SpamapS> slangasek: any idea on how get upstart to print on the console in sid? Hello! upstart emits event... there way to get event broadcast over something like dbus? <gabrbedd> E.g. I have a system daemon that needs to be of upstart they happen. nevermind... was upstart 1.5. I this "just works" in 1.10. <SpamapS> slangasek: uugggh.. startpar.c has mixed tabs and spaces SpamapS: which are you looking for upstart to on the console? <slangasek> if this is about log messages, I don't know; but somewhere along the line there was a behavior change, on the kernel side, caused upstart's use kmsg not the it had <SpamapS> slangasek: init: starting foo.. <SpamapS> slangasek: ahh yeah if kmsg not working the same way that might do it <SpamapS> _do_ some init: stuff dmesg <SpamapS> slangasek: hey reading upstart integration and wondering is huge slangasek: me startpar is going to
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#upstart 2013-01-19
<xnoX> JanC: yeah, I Was poNdeRinG tHat iF $PWD Is null or '/' then alL PathS are absolute.
<xnox> and the ContrArY Case POsSible To launcH AdDITioNaL uSer SeSSiOn iniT wiTh whackY HOME env by HanD.
<JAnC> well, with uPStArt running As a User, things woUld CertaiNlY stARt to gEt wEird
<xNox> yeaH, PrevioUsly we didN't USe any oF xDG_* nor Home eNv vaRiables =/ and now it's qUIcKLy becoming inteRestinG.
 * xNOx THInkS thAt plymouth WoUld be SO much beTTeR OFF wrITten using libnIh
#upstart 2014-01-13
<SpAMaps> slangAsEk: aNY idea oN how tO gET upStart to prinT stuFf on the coNsole iN Sid?
<gabrBEdd> HellO! When uPstArt EmitS An EvEnt... Is THerE A wAy tO Get That evenT bRoAdcasT oveR SOMEthiNg lIke dBus?
<gaBrbedd> E.g. I have A syStem DAemOn thaT needS to bE nOtifiEd of upStart EvEnts as they happeN.
<gabRbedd> neveRmiNd... i waS uSing uPStart 1.5.  I See ThaT this "juSt works" IN 1.10.
<SpAmAPs> GaBrbedd: :)
<SpamapS> slangAsEK: UuGggh.. starTpar.c hAS mIxED tabs and SpAceS
<slaNGAsek> SPamaPs: wHich stufF are yoU LoOkIng for uPsTart to PrInt On tHe conSOle?
<sLangasEk> if this Is aboUT upstart's log meSSages, I don't knoW; BuT SOmEWherE alOng the line tHere WAs a bEhavIOr ChaNGe, I thInk on ThE KeRNel side, that caused upStArt's usE of kmSg to not work thE way it had pREVIously
<SpAmaps> SlANgasek: init: starTing fOo.. 
<SpamapS> sLAngasek: aHh yeaH if kmsg iS not workiNG The same wAy tHat MigHt dO IT
<SPamapS> slangasEK: i _do_ sEe Some iniT: stUff in dmEsg
<spaMaps> slAnGasek: hey I'M reading StArTpAr'S upStart INtegratiOn And WoNdeRing iF There iS a hugE racE cOnDItiOn
<SpamaPs> sLANgasEk: heLp me UndErStand.. StarTPar Is going To wait
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#upstar t 2013-01- 19
<x nox > J an C: y eah,  I was ponderi n g th at if $PWD is null or'/' t he n  all pa ths a re abso l ut e . 
<x no x>  an dt he  cont rar y casepossible t o l au nch addition a luser sessi oninit with wh ack y HOME  e nvb y han d.<JanC > well ,  withupstart r un n ing as a user, t hi ngswould certainly s t ar t  to get weird<xnox>  y e ah , pre vio usly we di dn 't us e  any of XD G _ *  no r  HOME env var iables =/ a n d n ow it' squi c kly be comin gi nte resting.
 *  xno x thinksthat p l ymouthw ould be  so mu chbet tero ff  w rit te n  us i ng  li b nih 
#upstar t20 14-01 -13< S p a mapS > s lang asek:  any idea onhow  tog etupsta rt to  pri nt  stuf f on t he co ns ole in sid?
<ga brbe dd> Hello ! W he n u ps tarte mits a n e ven t... is  therea  wa yt o ge t that event broad ca s t  o ver some thingl ik ed bus?
<ga br bed d> E . g . I h avea  s ystem da emon t h at  n eeds to  b e noti fi edofupsta r t ev ents a s they h appen . 
<gabrbedd> ne v ermind... I w a su s in g  ups tar t 1.5.  I s ee t h at t his" ju stw orks"  in 1 .1 0 .< SpamapS> gabrbedd::) 
<Spam apS>slangasek: uu gggh.. sta r t p ar.c has  mix e dt abs and spaces 
<sla ngasek> Sp a mapS: wh ich s tuff are  you look i n g for up sta rttopri n t  o n the console ? <sla ng asek> i f t his isabo utups tar t' s log mes sages, I  d on 't  k now ; but somewher ealo ng  th e lin e  there  wasa be ha vi o r c hange,I  t h i nk o nth e ke rne lside,  tha t  ca used up start's u seo f km sg  t o not w ork the way i thad previo us ly<Spama p S > slanga sek: init: starting foo . . 
<Spa map S> sl anga sek: ahhyea h if k msg is not  worki ng th esam e way t h a tmig ht  do it
<Sp a m apS > sla ng asek : I _do _ see some init: s t uff  in dmesg
<Sp ama pS>s l an gas e k: hey  I ' m r e a ding startpar's  upstart i nt e gr ation andw ond er ing ifthere i s a h u ge race  conditio n
<Spamap S>  sla n g ase k: Help me  underst and.. sta r tpari sgoing  to  wait
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#upstart_2013-01-19
<xnox> JanC: yeah, I_was pondering_that_if $PWD_is_null or '/'_then all paths_are absolute.
<xnox> and the_contrary case possible_to_launch additional user session init with whacky HOME env by hand.
<JanC> well, with upstart_running_as a_user,_things_would certainly start to get_weird
<xnox> yeah, previously we didn't_use any_of XDG_* nor HOME env variables =/ and_now_it's quickly becoming_interesting.
 * xnox thinks that plymouth would be so_much better off written using libnih
#upstart_2014-01-13
<SpamapS> slangasek: any_idea_on_how to get upstart_to print stuff on the console_in sid?
<gabrbedd> Hello! When upstart emits_an event... is there a way to_get that event broadcast over something_like dbus?
<gabrbedd> E.g. I have_a system_daemon that needs to be_notified of upstart_events as_they happen.
<gabrbedd> nevermind..._I was using upstart 1.5. _I see that_this "just works" in 1.10.
<SpamapS> gabrbedd:_:)
<SpamapS>_slangasek: uugggh.. startpar.c_has_mixed_tabs and_spaces
<slangasek> SpamapS: which_stuff_are you_looking_for upstart to print on the_console?
<slangasek>_if this is about upstart's log messages,_I don't know; but_somewhere_along the line there_was a behavior change, I_think on the kernel side, that_caused upstart's_use of_kmsg to not work the way it had previously
<SpamapS> slangasek: init:_starting foo.. 
<SpamapS> slangasek: ahh yeah_if kmsg is not_working the_same_way that might_do_it
<SpamapS> slangasek:_I _do_ see some init: stuff in_dmesg
<SpamapS> slangasek:_hey I'm reading startpar's upstart integration_and wondering if there_is_a huge race condition
<SpamapS> slangasek: Help_me understand.. startpar is going to_wait