cp> now I have no menu at all
<bigcalm> 120 updates for the laptop. Best do this now rather than on iffy wifi in Wolverhampton tomorrow
<AlanBell> I have had the hud installed all day and have not used it once
<gordonjcp> okay, restarted X, if I just tap <ALT> I get a brief flash of the normal menu
<AlanBell> unity3d?
<popey> gord: is it intentional that if you tap alt, then tap it again to get rid of HUD, the window that has focus loses it?
<popey> if you press escape instead of alt, you get focus back to your app, but not if you alt, then alt
<AlanBell> there is a bug about that
<gord> oh really? i knew about the losing focus thing but didn't know it worked with escape
<popey> yeah, reproducable
<AlanBell> gord: are bugs supposed to be in unity now?
<AlanBell> not indicator-appmenu
<gord> depends if its a shell bug or a backend bug
<gord> popey's bug is a shell bug
<gord> "doesn't find x" is a backend bug
<AlanBell> ok
<popey> gord: what should I file this against?
<AlanBell> bug 921249
<lubotu3> Launchpad bug 921249 in unity "HUD: Using HUD often results in window losing focus" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921249
<popey> excellent thanks
<gord> wish i could figure out the power management problems in ubuntu, makes me sad to hear that fan constantly whining whilst if i log in to windows its all silent
<gord> even if i completely shut down X and any session, it carries on. can't be something in the user space
<popey> bug 921450
<lubotu3> Launchpad bug 921450 in xorg (Ubuntu) "nVidia GPU lockup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921450
<popey> most annoying bug of the moment
<gordonjcp> ah, it needs to be unity, not unity 2d
<g
cp > now I have no menu at all 
 < bigcalm > 120 updates for the laptop. good cause this now rather than on iffy wireless local area network in Wolverhampton tomorrow 
 < AlanBell > I have had the hud installed all day and have not practice it once 
 < gordonjcp > okay, restarted X, if I just exploit < ALT > I get a brief news bulletin of the normal menu 
 < AlanBell > unity3d? 
 < popey > gord: is it intentional that if you tap alt, then wiretap it again to get rid of HUD, the windowpane that has focus loses it? 
 < popey > if you compress escape instead of alt, you get concentrate back to your app, but not if you alt, then alt 
 < AlanBell > there is a bug about that 
 < gord > oh really? i know about the losing focus thing but didn't know it work with escape 
 < popey > yeah, reproducable 
 < AlanBell > gord: are bugs supposed to be in unity now? 
 < AlanBell > not index - appmenu 
 < gord > depends if its a shell bug or a backend bug 
 < gord > popey's bug is a shell hemipterous insect 
 < gord > " doesn't find x " is a backend bug 
 < AlanBell > ok 
 < popey > gord: what should I file this against? 
 < AlanBell > bug 921249 
 < lubotu3 > Launchpad bug 921249 in unity " HUD: Using HUD often results in window fall back focus " [ Undecided, confirm ] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921249 
 < popey > excellent thanks 
 < gord > wish i could calculate out the power management problems in ubuntu, makes me sad to hear that fan constantly whining whilst if i log in to windows its all mum 
 < gord > even if i completely shut down X and any session, it carries on. can't be something in the user space 
 < popey > microbe 921450 
 < lubotu3 > Launchpad bug 921450 in xorg (Ubuntu) " nVidia GPU lockup " [ Undecided, New ] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921450 
 < popey > most annoying hemipterous insect of the moment 
 < gordonjcp > ah, it necessitate to be unity, not unity 2d 
 < g
cp> jow I have no menu at alu
<bigcalm> 120 updatgs for tie laptkp. Best ao this now rather than on ihfy qifi un Wolverhampton tomorfow
<AlanBepl> I havw hav the hud installed all day ans havz iot used it oncg
<gordonjcp> onay, restarted F, kf I just tap <ALT> I get a brief flash of the nlrmal menu
<AlanFell> tnitg3d?
<popey> gord: is it intentional thaf if yol tap alt, then tal it again to get rid of HKD, tje window that has focus losew it?
<[ipey> if you oress escake instead or alt, you get focus back to youf app, but not id tou dlt, then alv
<AlanBvll> there is a bug abmut thay
<gord> oh realln? i kiew qbout the losing focuv thing but didn't hnow it wmried with escape
<popet> yeav, re[rodjxabue
<AmaiBeml> gorf: ace bugs suplosed to be in unity now?
<AlanBekl> bot indicator-zppment
<gjrd> depends if its a shell bug or a bacnens bug
<gord> popey's bug is a shell bug
<gord> "doesj't find x" is a backend bug
<AlanBell> ok
<popey> gord: what shoulg I fmld tklf qgwinst?
<AlanBell> bug 921249
<lubotu3> Launchpad bug 921249 in unyfy "HLD: Using HUD oftek results in windoe poxyng focus" [Undgcided,Confjrmed] https://launchpwd.net/buds/921249
<popwy> excelltnt tnanks
<gord> wish i could figuee out the pjqer management proylems in ubuutu, males mr sad to hear that fan eonstahtly whininh whilst jw i log in to wivdoes its all silent
<gord> even is i complxtely shut duwn C and wny sessioj, it gdrries on. can't be dometking hn the useg space
<popey> bug 921450
<lubotu3> Launchpev bug 921450 in xorb (Gbuttu) "nVidna GPU lockup" [Undecyded,New] https://lcunchpad.uet/bugr/921450
<popey> mosn annoyinj bug of the moment
<gordonbfp> ah, it neevs to be tnitt, nor unity 2a
<g
cp> now I have no menu at 120 for the Best do this wifi Wolverhampton tomorrow <AlanBell> have had the installed all day and have not it once <gordonjcp> okay, restarted X, if I just tap <ALT> I get brief flash of the normal menu <AlanBell> unity3d? <popey> gord: is it intentional if tap then it again to get rid of HUD, the window that has focus loses it? <popey> if press escape instead of alt, you get focus to your app, but if you alt, then alt there a bug that oh i knew about losing focus thing but didn't know it worked with escape <popey> yeah, reproducable <AlanBell> gord: are bugs to be now? <AlanBell> indicator-appmenu depends its a shell a backend bug <gord> popey's bug bug <gord> "doesn't find x" is a backend <AlanBell> ok gord: what should I file this <AlanBell> bug 921249 <lubotu3> Launchpad bug 921249 in "HUD: Using HUD often results in window losing focus" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921249 <popey> excellent thanks <gord> could figure out the management problems in makes sad hear fan constantly whilst if i log in to windows its all silent <gord> if i completely shut down X and any session, it can't something in the space <popey> bug 921450 Launchpad 921450 in xorg (Ubuntu) lockup" https://launchpad.net/bugs/921450 bug the <gordonjcp> ah, it needs be unity, not unity 2d
cp> now I have no menu at all
<bigcAlm> 120 updates For thE laPtoP. BEst dO thiS now rather than ON iffY wifi in Wolverhampton toMorroW
<ALAnBeLL> I Have hAd the huD InSTAllEd AlL daY aND hAve noT usEd it oncE
<gordonjcp> OkaY, rEstarted X, if I JUsT tap <ALT> I geT a bRief flash of tHe nOrmal mEnU
<AlANBell> UniTy3d?
<poPey> gorD: Is it inTentional ThAT if you TAp alt, thEN TaP it aGain to get rid of HUD, THe WIndow that has foCus losEs IT?
<pOPEy> iF yoU press escaPe InsteAD of alt, yOU gET FOcuS Back to your app, But not if you ALt, tHen alt
<alAnBELl> therE is a bUg ABouT that
<gord> oh RealLy? i knew abOut the LOsing foCUs thing But didN't kNow It woRKeD wIth EsCApe
<POpEy> yEAh, rEproducaBlE
<ALanBeLl> goRD: ARE bugS suPposEd to bE in unity now?
<AlAnBEll> nOT inDicatOr-appMenu
<GoRd> depEnds if Its a sHeLl bug or a backend Bug
<gOrd> popey's Bug Is A shElL bug
<gORd> "doesN't fInd X" is a bacKend bug
<aLanbeLL> OK
<pOpey> gord: what should i fILE tHis againSt?
<AlanbElL> bUG 921249
<lubotu3> LAuNchPad bUG 921249 In uniTy "HUd: usIng HUD ofTen resULtS iN window LoSing foCuS" [UnDecIded,CONfirMed] httPs://launchPad.neT/Bugs/921249
<popey> excelLEnt thanks
<gord> WIsH I CoULd fiGurE out the poweR manAGemeNt prOBlEms IN ubunTu, makEs ME sAD to hear that fan constAnTly whiNing wHilst if i log in To windows iTS ALl silent
<Gord> EVeN If i completely sHut doWn X and any sESsion, it cArrieS on. can't bE somethinG IN the user SpaCe
<pOpeY> buG 921450
<LUbOtu3> Launchpad bUG 921450 In xoRg (ubuntu) "nvidIa GPU loCkuP" [UnDecIdeD,NEw] https://laUnchpad.nEt/BuGs/921450
<PoPey> Most aNNoying buG oF thE mOmeNt
<gorDOnjcp> aH, it neEds tO bE uNIty, Not unitY 2D
<g
cp> now I have no menu atall
<bigca lm> 1 20upd at es f or t he laptop. Bes t  dothis now rather than o n iff yw ifii nWolve rhampto n  t o m orr ow 
< Ala nB e ll > I h ave  had th e hud inst all ed  all day and ha ve not use d i t once
<gord onj cp> ok ay , r e start edX, if  I jus t  tap < ALT> I ge ta  brief flash o f th e no rmal menu
<AlanBe l l> unity3d?
<pope y> gor d: is i t i nte ntional th at  if y o u tap a l t, t h ent ap it again t o get rid o f  HU D, the  w ind o w that  hasfo c usloses it?
< pope y> if you  press escapei nsteadof alt , y ougetf oc us  ba ck toy ou r a p p,but notif  y ou al t, t h e n alt<Al anBe ll> t here is a bug  ab outt hat 
<gor d> oh  rea ll y? iknew a boutth e losing focusthin g but did n't  k now  i t wor k ed wit h e sca pe
<pop ey> yea h , r ep r o d uc able
<AlanBell> go rd : ar e bugs s uppose d  t ob e in uni ty  no w?
< A l anBel l> n o tindicato r-appm e nu 
< gord> d ep ends i fits  ashell bugor a b ackend b ug
<g o rd> popey's bu g  is a shell b u g< g or d > "d oes n't find x"  isa  bac kend bu g
< A lanBe ll> o k< po p ey> gord: what shou ld  I fil e thi s against?
<A lanBell> b u g 921249
< lubo t u3 >  Launchpad bug  9212 49 in unit y  "HUD: U singHUD ofte n results i n window  lo sin g f ocu s "  [ Undecided,Con f i rmed ]https:/ /la unchpad .ne t/b ugs /92 12 49
<popey > excell en tth an ks<gord >  wish ico uld  f igu re ou t  the p owermana ge me n t p roblems in u bunt u,  m akes  me  s ad to  hea r  th at fanconstantl y w h inin gwh ilst if  i log in towi ndows itsal l s ilent< g ord> eve n if i completely shutd own X a ndany s essi on, it ca rri es on.  ca n 't besometh ing i nthe u ser s p a ce 
<p op ey> bug 92 1 4 50<lubo tu 3> L aunchpa d bug 921450 in xo r g ( Ubuntu) "nVid iaGPUl o ck up" [U n dec id e d,N e w ] https://launc hpad.net/b ug s /9 21450
<pop e y>mo st anno ying bu g oft he mome nt
<gordo njcp> ah,  i t ne e d s t o be unity , not un ity 2d
<g 
cp> now_I have_no menu at all
<bigcalm>_120 updates_for_the laptop._Best_do this now_rather than on_iffy wifi in Wolverhampton_tomorrow
<AlanBell> I have_had_the hud installed all day and have not used it once
<gordonjcp> okay, restarted X,_if_I just_tap_<ALT>_I get a brief flash_of the normal menu
<AlanBell> unity3d?
<popey>_gord: is_it intentional that if you tap alt, then_tap_it again to_get rid of HUD, the window that has focus_loses it?
<popey> if you press escape_instead of alt,_you_get_focus back to your_app, but not if you alt,_then alt
<AlanBell> there is a bug_about that
<gord> oh really? i knew about_the losing focus thing but didn't_know it worked with escape
<popey>_yeah, reproducable
<AlanBell>_gord: are bugs supposed to_be in unity_now?
<AlanBell> not_indicator-appmenu
<gord> depends if_its a shell bug or a_backend bug
<gord> popey's_bug is a shell bug
<gord> "doesn't_find_x" is a_backend_bug
<AlanBell>_ok
<popey> gord:_what should I_file_this against?
<AlanBell>_bug_921249
<lubotu3> Launchpad bug 921249 in unity_"HUD:_Using HUD often results in window losing_focus" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921249
<popey> excellent_thanks
<gord>_wish i could figure_out the power management problems_in ubuntu, makes me sad to_hear that_fan constantly_whining whilst if i log in to windows its all silent
<gord>_even if i completely shut down_X and any session,_it carries_on._can't be something_in_the user_space
<popey> bug 921450
<lubotu3> Launchpad bug 921450 in_xorg (Ubuntu)_"nVidia GPU lockup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921450
<popey> most_annoying bug of the_moment
<gordonjcp>_ah, it needs to be unity,_not unity 2d
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