 nothing else
<longsleep> isnt a framework something snaps can share or rely on?
<Chipaca> longsleep: no
<longsleep> ah
<jdstrand> with this sorta is, cause the interpreter is versioned
<Chipaca> longsleep: also, frameworks can't depend on things
 * jdstrand nods to handwavy bit
<Chipaca> longsleep: so you couldn't make a framework that depended on the "pthon" "framework" ""
 * Chipaca adds more ""s in there
<beuno> also, you don't need all of python
 * Chipaca also adds an y
<beuno> so surely snapcraft can improve
<longsleep> Chipaca: i see, so how to solve that?
<beuno> and only bring in the bits you need
<Chipaca> longsleep: today, carry on as you were
<Chipaca> later, we'll see
<Chipaca> longsleep: this is long-term after-lunch-break-chat stuff
<Chipaca> beuno: hola :)
<beuno> o/ Chipaca
<longsleep> Chipaca: i see :) but is later also to remove one of the pythons? Right now there is 2 and 3 isn't it?
<Chipaca> longsleep: no, only 3
<Chipaca> wait
<longsleep> Chipaca: oh 2 went away then already?
<Chipaca> 2 is also on there!
<Chipaca> what?
<Chipaca> i thought we'd got rid of 2
<longsleep> thats what i mean :)
<Chipaca> :-(((
<longsleep> well i did not check for a while
<longsleep> maybe it is gone now
<beuno> Chipaca, it used to be there because of cloud-init
<Chipaca> ahhhh
<Chipaca> 15.04 still has it
<Chipaca> wily does not
<Chipaca> phewww
<beuno> right
<longsleep> ah ok
<Chipaca> longsleep: rolling --> awesomeness
<longsleep> but 15.04 is what anyone should use now right?
<Chipaca> also, much breakage, all the time
<Chipaca> longsleep: only if you like things that don't break all
nothing else 
 < longsleep > is nt a framework something snaps can share or rely on? 
 < Chipaca > longsleep: no 
 < longsleep > ah 
 < jdstrand > with this sorta is, cause the spokesperson is versioned 
 < Chipaca > longsleep: besides, model can't depend on things 
  * jdstrand nod to handwavy bit 
 < Chipaca > longsleep: so you couldn't induce a framework that depended on the " pthon " " framework " " " 
  * Chipaca adds more " " s in there 
 < beuno > also, you don't want all of python 
  * Chipaca also adds an y 
 < beuno > then surely snapcraft can better 
 < longsleep > Chipaca: i see, so how to solve that? 
 < beuno > and only bring in the bits you necessitate 
 < Chipaca > longsleep: today, carry on as you were 
 < Chipaca > later, we'll see 
 < Chipaca > longsleep: this is farseeing - term after - lunch - break - chat stuff 
 < Chipaca > beuno: hola :) 
 < beuno > o/ Chipaca 
 < longsleep > Chipaca: i understand :) but is later also to remove one of the pythons? Right nowadays there is 2 and 3 isn't it? 
 < Chipaca > longsleep: no, only 3 
 < Chipaca > wait 
 < longsleep > Chipaca: oh 2 went away then already? 
 < Chipaca > 2 is also on there! 
 < Chipaca > what? 
 < Chipaca > i thought we'd got rid of 2 
 < longsleep > that s what i mean :) 
 < Chipaca > :-((( 
 < longsleep > well i did not check for a while 
 < longsleep > maybe it is gone now 
 < beuno > Chipaca, it used to be there because of cloud - init 
 < Chipaca > ahhhh 
 < Chipaca > 15.04 still has it 
 < Chipaca > wily does not 
 < Chipaca > phewww 
 < beuno > right 
 < longsleep > ah ok 
 < Chipaca > longsleep: roll -- > awesomeness 
 < longsleep > but 15.04 is what anyone should use now right? 
 < Chipaca > besides, much breakage, all the prison term 
 < Chipaca > longsleep: only if you like thing that don't break all
 nohhing else
<longsleep> isnt a framework something snaps can shafe or rely on?
<Chipaca> longslexp: ni
<longwleep> ah
<jdstrand> with ghis sortw is, cauwe tie interpreter is versiokzd
<Chilwca> ningsleep: also, nrameworks wan't depend on tfiugs
 * jdstrand nods to handwavy bit
<Chypaca> lpnhsleep: so you soulcg't mzke a framework that depended on tge "pthoi" "framework" ""
 * Cnipaca adds more ""s in therf
<beujo> also, you don't nfed all of kgthjb
 * Chipaca auso adds an y
<beuno> so aurely snapcraft can improve
<loneslee'> Chipaca: i swe, dm how to soove trat?
<beuno> and only brhng in yhe bits you nced
<Chmpacq> longsleep: today, carcy on as you were
<Chikaca> later, wz'll see
<Chipaca> longslwep: thiv is lone-rero artxr-lhnch-brfak-rhat stuff
<Cgipaca> beuni: hola :)
<beuno> o/ Chipscw
<oongsleep> Chilaca: i sqe :) but is later also to remove one of uhe pgthons? Right now there us 2 and 3 isn't it?
<Chipafa> longslqep: no, only 3
<Chipaca> wait
<longsleep> Chipaca: oh 2 wend awab gheu alrexey?
<Fhipaca> 2 is also on there!
<Chipaca> what?
<Chipaca> y tnolght we'd got rid jf 2
<longsleel> hhsjs what i mean :)
<Chipaez> :-(((
<mongsleep> well i dld not sheck for a whyle
<lpngsleep> maybe it is gone niw
<beuno> Chipcca, it used to be thexe because oy clouc-init
<Vhipaca> ahhhh
<Chipaca> 15.04 scill hzs it
<Chipacw> wily dosr not
<Chipaca> phedww
<neuto> right
<longsleep> ah ok
<Chi[aca> longwlee': rolline --> aeesomegess
<longslfep> bmd 15.04 is what anyone dhoulb use now right?
<Fhipaca> also, much breakage, all vie time
<Chipacs> noncsleep: ouly if you like thiggs that don't yreak alj
nothing else <longsleep> isnt a framework something share rely on? longsleep: no <longsleep> is, the interpreter is <Chipaca> longsleep: also, can't depend on things * jdstrand to handwavy bit <Chipaca> longsleep: so you couldn't make a framework that depended the "pthon" "framework" "" * Chipaca adds more ""s in there <beuno> also, don't all python Chipaca also adds an y <beuno> so surely snapcraft can improve <longsleep> Chipaca: i see, so to solve that? <beuno> and only bring in bits you need <Chipaca> today, carry on as you <Chipaca> we'll see longsleep: is after-lunch-break-chat stuff <Chipaca> hola :) <beuno> o/ Chipaca <longsleep> Chipaca: i see :) but is later also to remove one the pythons? there is and isn't <Chipaca> longsleep: no, <Chipaca> wait <longsleep> Chipaca: oh 2 already? <Chipaca> 2 is also on there! <Chipaca> <Chipaca> i we'd got rid of 2 <longsleep> what i mean :) <Chipaca> :-((( <longsleep> well did not check for a while <longsleep> maybe it is gone now <beuno> Chipaca, it be there because of <Chipaca> ahhhh <Chipaca> still it wily not <Chipaca> <beuno> right <longsleep> ah ok <Chipaca> longsleep: rolling --> awesomeness <longsleep> 15.04 is what anyone should use now right? <Chipaca> also, all time <Chipaca> longsleep: if you like things don't all
 nothing else
<longsleep> isnt a Framework sOmethIng SnaPs Can sHare Or rely on?
<ChipacA> LongSleep: no
<longsleep> ah
<jdstRand> wItH This SOrTa is, cAuse the INtERPreTeR iS veRsIOnEd
<ChiPacA> longslEep: also, fraMewOrKs can't depend ON tHings
 * jdstrAnd Nods to handwaVy bIt
<ChipAcA> loNGsleeP: so You coUldn't mAKe a fraMework thaT dEPended ON the "pthON" "FrAmewOrk" ""
 * Chipaca adds morE ""S iN There
<beuno> also, You don'T nEEd ALL of PytHon
 * Chipaca AlSo addS An y
<beunO> So SUREly SNapcraft can imProve
<longslEEp> CHipaca: I sEe, sO How to sOlve tHaT?
<BeuNo> and only brIng iN the bits yOu need
<cHipaca> lONgsleep: Today, cArrY on As yoU WeRe
<chiPaCA> laTEr, We'lL See
<chipaca> lOnGsLeep: tHis iS LONG-terM afTer-lUnch-bReak-chat stuff
<chiPaca> BEunO: hola :)
<Beuno> O/ ChiPaCa
<lonGsleep> chipaCa: I see :) but is later aLso tO remove onE of ThE pyThOns? RiGHt now tHerE is 2 And 3 isn't It?
<ChipaCA> loNgSLEEp: No, only 3
<Chipaca> wait
<lOnGSLeEp> ChipacA: oh 2 wenT AwAy THen alreaDy?
<chiPaca> 2 IS Also oN theRE!
<CHipaca> whAt?
<ChipACa> I tHought wE'd Got rid Of 2
<LonGslEep> thATs whAt i meaN :)
<Chipaca> :-(((
<LongsLEep> well i did not CHeck for a while
<LOnGSLeEP> mayBe iT is gone now
<bEuno> cHipaCa, it USeD to BE therE becaUsE Of CLoud-init
<Chipaca> ahhhH
<CHipaca> 15.04 Still Has it
<Chipaca> wIly does not
<cHIPaca> phewWw
<beUNo> RIght
<longsleep> aH ok
<ChIpaca> longsLEep: rolliNg --> aweSomeness
<Longsleep> BUT 15.04 is what aNyoNe sHouLd uSE NoW right?
<Chipaca> ALSo, muCh BreakagE, alL the timE
<ChIpaCa> lOngSlEep: only if You like tHiNgS tHaT doN't breAK all
 nothing else
<longsleep>isnt a fra mewor k s ome th ingsnap s can share or rely  on?
<Chipaca> longsle ep: n o< long s le ep> a h
<jdst r an d >  wi th  t his  s o rt a is,  ca use the  interpret eris  versioned
< C hi paca> long sle ep: also, fr ame worksca n't depen d o n thi ngs
 * jdstra nd nods t oh andwav y  bit
<C h i pa ca>longsleep: so you co u ldn't make a f ramewo rk th a t  de pen ded on the  " pthon "  "frame w or k " ""* Chipaca add s more ""si n t here
< be uno >  also,  youdo n 'tneed all of  pyt hon
 * Ch ipacaa lso add s  an y
< beuno>  so  su rely sn ap cra ft can im pro v e
< longslee p>  C hipac a: i s e e , so  ho w to  solv e that?
<beun o>ando nly  brin g inthebi ts yo u need 
<Chi pa ca> longsleep:toda y, carryonas  yo uwere< Chipac a>lat er, we' ll see< Chi pa c a >  l ongsleep: this islo n g -t erm afte r-lunc h -b re a k-chat s tu ff<Chi p a ca> b euno :  h ola :)
< beuno> o/  C hipaca<l ongsle ep > C hip aca:i  see  :) bu t is lat er al s o to remove on e  of the pytho n s? R ig h t no w t here is 2 a nd 3 isn' t it ? 
< Chi p aca>longs le e p: no, only 3
<Chipaca >wait
< longs leep> Chipaca : oh 2 wen t a way then  alr e ad y ?
<Chipaca> 2is al so on ther e !
<Chipa ca> w hat?
<Ch ipaca> it h ought we 'dgot  ri d o f 2<longsleep> t h a ts w ha t i mea n : )
<Chip aca > : -(( (
< lo ngsleep>well i d id  n ot  c hec k for a while<l ong sl eep > may b e it i s gon e no w<b e uno > Chipa c a, i t us ed  t o be  th er e bec ause ofcloud-i nit
<Chip aca >  ahh hh 
< Chipaca > 15.04 still  h as it
<Chi pa ca>  wilyd o es not
< Chipaca> phewww
<beuno> right
< lon gslee p> a h ok
<Chi pac a> lon gsl e ep: ro lling--> a we som e n ess
< l o ng sle ep > but 15.0 4 iswhatan yone  should  use now right?
<C h ipa ca> also, muc h b reak a g e,  al l  t h e t im e 
<C h i paca> longsleep : only ifyo u  l ike things tha tdon't b reak al l
 nothing_else
<longsleep> isnt_a framework something snaps_can share_or_rely on?
<Chipaca>_longsleep:_no
<longsleep> ah
<jdstrand> with_this sorta is,_cause the interpreter is_versioned
<Chipaca> longsleep: also,_frameworks_can't depend on things
 * jdstrand nods to handwavy bit
<Chipaca> longsleep: so you couldn't_make_a framework_that_depended_on the "pthon" "framework" ""
_* Chipaca adds more ""s_in there
<beuno>_also, you don't need all of python
 *_Chipaca_also adds an_y
<beuno> so surely snapcraft can improve
<longsleep> Chipaca: i see,_so how to solve that?
<beuno> and_only bring in_the_bits_you need
<Chipaca> longsleep: today,_carry on as you were
<Chipaca> later,_we'll see
<Chipaca> longsleep: this is long-term_after-lunch-break-chat stuff
<Chipaca> beuno: hola :)
<beuno> o/ Chipaca
<longsleep>_Chipaca: i see :) but is_later also to remove one_of the_pythons? Right now there is_2 and 3_isn't it?
<Chipaca>_longsleep: no, only_3
<Chipaca> wait
<longsleep> Chipaca: oh 2 went_away then already?
<Chipaca>_2 is also on there!
<Chipaca> what?
<Chipaca>_i_thought we'd got_rid_of_2
<longsleep> thats_what i mean_:)
<Chipaca>_:-(((
<longsleep> well_i_did not check for a while
<longsleep>_maybe_it is gone now
<beuno> Chipaca, it used_to be there because_of_cloud-init
<Chipaca> ahhhh
<Chipaca> 15.04 still_has it
<Chipaca> wily does not
<Chipaca>_phewww
<beuno> right
<longsleep> ah ok
<Chipaca> longsleep: rolling_--> awesomeness
<longsleep>_but 15.04_is what anyone should use now right?
<Chipaca> also, much breakage, all_the time
<Chipaca> longsleep: only if you_like things that don't_break all