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<penguin42> daftykins: Oh that's not the problem; the problem is that 1366 is a weird resolution; it's not divisible by 8
<daftykins> i know you've mentioned that before but _all_ 1366x768 monitors i've had exposure to work fine on Windows machines
<daftykins> sure some rare ones say they're outputting at 1360 wide instead, but most are properly stating 1366
<penguin42> in this case I'm giving it a 1360x768 modeline
<daftykins> this is why X.org can't die any sooner though, hand edits in 2017? just no
<penguin42> it's not X's fault, or at least nothing that's not fixable by shipping a few mode lines
<penguin42> replacing X because of this type of thing is just entirely the wrong thing to do
<daftykins> it is in the majority of situations, because somehow EDID reading fails on Linux where it doesn't on Windows... and i'm only saying replace because that's the way things are going, it's not going to get fixed
<penguin42> yeh but replacing it doesn't solve the problem it just invents a lot of new ones
<daftykins> why doesn't it if the new display server has already resolved that issue atop a whole new approach?
<penguin42> because the new display servers will all have lots of fun new imaginative screwups because they've not remembered all the things X has fixe din the last 30 years
<daftykins> ok, but we're talking about this specific problem right now which it hasn't fixed, not other ones
<daftykins> why are we even seeing such basic display woes in an OS that FOSS advocates push so much?
<daftykins> fair enough if the idea is just to wait for VGA to disappear, that's fine by me
<penguin42> because people just shout and moan and say it's peoples crap monitors rather than fixing it
<penguin42> daftykins: I dont the problem is either X or VGA
<daftykins> well it does need to be caveated with the fact that just because we've both seen the same result (wrong resolution) doesn't mean we've seen the same scenario
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 < penguin42 > daftykins: Oh that's not the problem; the problem is that 1366 is a weird resolution; it's not divisible by 8 
 < daftykins > i acknowledge you've mention that before but _ all _ 1366x768 monitors i've had exposure to exercise fine on Windows machines 
 < daftykins > surely some rare ones say they're outputting at 1360 across-the-board instead, but most are properly express 1366 
 < penguin42 > in this case I'm giving it a 1360x768 modeline 
 < daftykins > this is why X.org can't fail any sooner though, hand edits in 2017? barely no 
 < penguin42 > it's not X's fault, or at least nothing that's not fixable by shipping a few manner lines 
 < penguin42 > replacing X because of this type of matter is just entirely the faulty thing to do 
 < daftykins > it is in the majority of situation, because somehow EDID reading fails on Linux where it doesn't on Windows... and i'm only saying replace because that's the direction things are going, it's not going to get fixed 
 < penguin42 > yeh but replacing it doesn't solve the problem it just invents a lot of new ones 
 < daftykins > why doesn't it if the new display server has already resolved that issue atop a whole fresh approach? 
 < penguin42 > because the new display server will wholly receive lots of fun new imaginative screwup because they've not remembered all the thing X has fixe din the final 30 years 
 < daftykins > ok, but we're talking about this specific problem right now which it hasn't fixed, not early ones 
 < daftykins > why are we even seeing such basic display woes in an OS that FOSS advocates push so much? 
 < daftykins > bonny enough if the idea is just to wait for VGA to disappear, that's fine by me 
 < penguin42 > because citizenry just shout and moan and suppose it's peoples crap monitors rather than fix it 
 < penguin42 > daftykins: I do nt the problem is either adam or VGA 
 < daftykins > well it does need to be caveated with the fact that just because we've both watch the same result (wrong resolving power) doesn't mean we've meet the same scenario
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<penguin42> daftykins: Oh thxt's not the proyoem; thx problsm is thxt 1366 is a weird resolution; it'd bot duvisible by 8
<daftykins> k know yol've mentiined rhat beforx but _all_ 1366x768 mohltors m've had exposurg to work fite on Windows kazhnnes
<daftykins> sure some rare ones sar they'rr lutputting at 1360 widt igstezd, but most are properly stating 1366
<psnguin42> pn this case I'm goving it a 1360x768 modeline
<daftynins> this is why X.org fan't die ani sojber though, hxnd edits pu 2017? just no
<pgnguin42> it's not X's fault, or at lexst npthing thaj's nlj fixable by shipiing a few mode lines
<[enguin42> replacing X bccausx of this type of thing iv just entirely thg wrong thhny to do
<daftykins> it iw un thg majmrith of siuuaviohs, becwusx somehow ESID reading fails on Linux whete py doesn't on Sindowf... wnd i'm only saying replace because that'v tge way things are going, it's not going to get fixed
<penduin42> yeh but replacing it doesn't solve the problek it ourt nkyentr a lot of new ones
<daftykins> why doesn't it if thq ntw cisplay server has alreadu gexjlved that isrue atop z whole new approafh?
<penguyn42> bexause the new display servers will all hqve lots of yun new imaginative serewups becabse thgy've npt remembered all the tkings S has fixe fin the lzrt 30 years
<daftykivs> pk, but we'rt talking about thys specifmc prpblem rkght now wrich it hadn't flfed, not other ones
<faftynits> why are we even seeing such basic display woes in an OV tvat FOSS advogates push so mtch?
<daftykins> fcir enouyh if ghe idea ia just vo wait for DGA to disappawr, that's finx by me
<pegguib42> bexause pduple just shouy and moau and say it's peoples cvap muhitors rather tkcn fixing it
<penguon42> aafeyniis: I qmnt the probnem ks dother X or VGA
<dantyyins> well it does need tm be caveated with the fwct that just besause we've boyh seen the same rtsult (xrong cesoluyiog) doesn't mean we've seen the saje scenarlo
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<penguin42> daftykins: Oh that'S not the proBlem; tHe pRobLeM is tHat 1366 iS a weird resolutIOn; it'S not divisible by 8
<daftykiNs> i knOw YOu've MEnTioneD that beFOrE BUt _aLl_ 1366X768 mOniToRS i'Ve had ExpOsure to Work fine on winDoWs machines
<daFTyKins> sure soMe rAre ones say thEy'rE outpuTtIng AT 1360 wide InsTead, bUt most ARe propErly statiNg 1366
<PEnguin42> IN this caSE i'm GiviNg it a 1360x768 modeline
<dafTYkINs> this is why X.orG can't dIe ANy SOOneR thOugh, hand edItS in 2017? juST no
<pengUIn42> IT'S Not x'S fault, or at leaSt nothing thAT's nOt fixaBlE by SHippinG a few MoDE liNes
<penguin42> rEplaCing X becaUse of tHIs type oF Thing is Just enTirEly The wROnG tHinG tO Do
<dAFtYkiNS> it Is in the mAjOrIty of SituATIONs, beCauSe soMehow eDID reading faIls On LiNUx wHere iT doesN't on wiNdows... And i'm oNly saYiNg replace becausE thaT's the way tHinGs Are GoIng, it'S Not goiNg tO geT fixed
<pEnguin42> yEH buT rEPLAcIng it doesn't solve thE pROBlEm it just InventS A lOt OF new ones
<DaFtyKins> WHY doesN't it IF tHe new disPlay seRVeR hAs alreaDy ResolvEd ThaT isSue atOP a whOle new Approach?
<PenguIN42> because the new DIsplay servers WIlL ALl HAve lOts Of fun new imaGinaTIve sCrewUPs BecAUse thEy've nOt REmEMbered all the things X HaS fixe dIn the Last 30 years
<daftYkins> ok, but WE'RE talking AbouT ThIS specific problEm rigHt now which IT hasn't fiXed, noT other onEs
<daftykiNS> Why are we EveN seEinG suCH BaSic display woeS IN an Os tHat FOSS AdvOcates pUsh So mUch?
<DafTyKins> fair eNough if tHe IdEa Is JusT to waIT for VGA tO dIsaPpEar, That's FIne by mE
<pengUin42> bEcAuSE peOple jusT ShOUT and MoAn And sAy iT's PeoplEs crAP moNitors rAther than FixINg it
<PeNgUin42> daftYkins: I dont the PrOblem is eitHeR X oR VGA
<daFTYkins> welL it does need to be caveated WIth the fAct That jUst bEcause we'vE boTh seen The SAme resUlt (wroNg resOlUtiON) Doesn'T MEaN we'Ve Seen the samE SCenArio
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<penguin42> daftyk ins: Oh th at'snot  th eprob lem;  the problem i s  tha t 1366 is a weird reso lutio n; it's no t div isibleb y8 <da ft yk ins >i  k now y ou' ve ment ioned that  be fo re but _all_ 13 66x768 mon ito rs i've hadexp osureto  wo r k fin e o n Win dows m a chines 
<daftyki ns >  sures ome rar e on es s ay they're output t in g  at 1360 wideinstea d, bu t mos t a re properl ystati n g 1366< pe n g u in4 2 > in this cas e I'm givin g  it  a 136 0x 768 modeli ne
<d af t yki ns> this is  why  X.org ca n't di e  any so o ner tho ugh, h and  ed itsi n20 17?  j u stn o<pe n gui n42> it' sno t X's  fau l t , or a t l east  noth ing that's no t f ixab l e b y shi pping  a f ew  mode  lines 
<pen gu in42> replacing  X b ecause of  th is  ty pe  of t h ing is  ju stentirel y the w r ong  t h i n gto do
<daftykins>it i sin the m ajorit y  o fs ituation s,  be caus e someh ow E D ID  reading  fails on  L inux wh er e it d oe sn' t o n Win d ows. .. and  i'm onl y say i ng replace bec a use that's th e  w a y  t h ings  ar e going, it 's n o t go ingt oget fixed 
<pen gu i n4 2 > yeh but replacing  i t does n't s olve the prob lem it jus t i nvents a  lot of new ones
<daft ykins > why does n 't it if  thenew disp lay serve r has alre ady  re sol ved t ha t issue atopa whol enew app roa ch?
<pe ngu in4 2>bec au se the ne w displa yse rv er s w ill a l l have l ot s o ffun  newi magina tivescre wu ps bec ause th e y' v e  not  r em embe red  a ll th e th i ngs  X hasfixe dinthe last  3 0years
< daftykins> ok ,but we'reta lki ng abo u t  this sp ecific problem right no w  whichithasn' t fi xed, nototh er one s
< d aftyki ns> wh y are  w e e v e n see i n gsuc hbasic disp l a y w oes i nan O S thatFOSS advocates pus h  so  much?
<dafty kin s> f a i reno u gh ifth e  id e a  is just to wai t for VGAto di sappear, t h at' sfine by  me
<pe nguin 4 2> beca use peopl e just sh ou t an d moa n and sayit's peo ples crap monit o rs  rath erthan f ix ing  it
< pengui n 42>  daft ykins:  I  dontthe p ro blem iseither X or VGA
<daftyk ins> w ell i t d oes needtob e c aveated w iththe fact t hat  ju st be cau s e we' ve b o th  se e n the  sam e  result ( w ro ngr e so lution) doe s n ' t m ean w e'v e  seenthesame scenario
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<penguin42>_daftykins: Oh_that's not the problem;_the problem_is_that 1366_is_a weird resolution;_it's not divisible_by 8
<daftykins> i know_you've mentioned that_before_but _all_ 1366x768 monitors i've had exposure to work fine on Windows machines
<daftykins> sure_some_rare ones_say_they're_outputting at 1360 wide instead,_but most are properly stating_1366
<penguin42> in_this case I'm giving it a 1360x768 modeline
<daftykins>_this_is why X.org_can't die any sooner though, hand edits in 2017?_just no
<penguin42> it's not X's fault,_or at least_nothing_that's_not fixable by shipping_a few mode lines
<penguin42> replacing X_because of this type of thing_is just entirely the wrong thing to_do
<daftykins> it is in the majority_of situations, because somehow EDID_reading fails_on Linux where it doesn't_on Windows... and_i'm only_saying replace because_that's the way things are going,_it's not going_to get fixed
<penguin42> yeh but replacing_it_doesn't solve the_problem_it_just invents_a lot of_new_ones
<daftykins> why_doesn't_it if the new display server_has_already resolved that issue atop a whole_new approach?
<penguin42> because the_new_display servers will all_have lots of fun new_imaginative screwups because they've not remembered_all the_things X_has fixe din the last 30 years
<daftykins> ok, but we're talking_about this specific problem right now_which it hasn't fixed,_not other_ones
<daftykins>_why are we_even_seeing such_basic display woes in an OS that_FOSS advocates_push so much?
<daftykins> fair enough if_the idea is just_to_wait for VGA to disappear, that's_fine by me
<penguin42> because people just_shout and moan and say_it's_peoples_crap monitors rather than fixing_it
<penguin42> daftykins: I dont the problem_is either X_or VGA
<daftykins> well it does need to_be_caveated with the fact that just_because_we've both seen the same result_(wrong_resolution)_doesn't mean we've seen the_same scenario