> it's basically captured the market for people who want to pretend they are computer programmers without learning anything
<ali1234> ie the market previously served by arduino
<zmoylan-pi> same as 8bit computers in 80s so.  but a lot of programmers did start on those systems
<ali1234> and before arduino that market was served by those books where you had to type in the program onto your BBC or C64
<zmoylan-pi> i had a spectrum you insensitive clod :-)
<ali1234> lol
<zmoylan-pi> and i spent days typing in some listings.  and i learned from it
<ali1234> what did you learn?
<zmoylan-pi> 1) where the buttons where 2) not to make typos 3) what the flip syntax error was 4) to code
<zmoylan-pi> and save often to tape
<awilkins_> Spectrum 128 +2 was so much more productive
<awilkins_> i) Semi-decent keyboard
<awilkins_> ii) A BASIC mode that didn't use the stupid keycap token thing
<awilkins_> You could type "LOAD" instead of J
<zmoylan-pi> the renumber option for code in the editor
 * popey <3 his +2
<awilkins_> The reason Pi doesn't have the same impact as the home micros of back then is because it's trying to replicate the same experience
<awilkins_> You can't, because YouTube
<zmoylan-pi> i didn't like the non standard joystick ports though
<awilkins_> And every other source of always-on instant gratification over the network
<popey> yeah, those sinclair joysticks were terrible
<zmoylan-pi> they've sold 4 million pis.  if that's failure...
 * popey loved his Konix Speed King
<awilkins_> I had a Powerplay Cruiser with 2 plugs, one for Sinclair socket
<shauno> hah, I have one of those for the amiga  (the konix)
<awilkins_> <3 Powerplay Cruiser
<awilkins_> Never liked the Konix, game me blisters
<zmoylan-pi> i had cheetah 125+ joysticks for +2.  
> it's basically captured the market for people who want to guess they are calculator programmers without learning anything 
 < ali1234 > ie the grocery store previously serve by arduino 
 < zmoylan - pi > same as 8bit calculator in eighty so.   but a lot of programmers did start on those systems 
 < ali1234 > and before arduino that marketplace was served by those books where you take to type in the program onto your BBC or C64 
 < zmoylan - pi > i had a spectrum you insensitive clod :-) 
 < ali1234 > lol 
 < zmoylan - pi > and i spent day typing in some listings.   and i learned from it 
 < ali1234 > what did you determine? 
 < zmoylan - pi > 1) where the buttons where 2) not to make misprint 3) what the flip syntax erroneousness was 4) to code 
 < zmoylan - pi > and save often to magnetic tape 
 < awilkins _ > Spectrum 128 +2 was so much more productive 
 < awilkins _ > i) Semi - decent keyboard 
 < awilkins _ > ii) A BASIC mode that didn't use the dazed keycap token thing 
 < awilkins _ > You could type " LOAD " instead of J 
 < zmoylan - pi > the renumber option for code in the editor 
  * popey <3 his +2 
 < awilkins _ > The reason Pi doesn't have the same impingement as the home micros of back then is because it's trying to duplicate the like experience 
 < awilkins _ > You can't, because YouTube 
 < zmoylan - protease inhibitor > i didn't like the non standard joystick ports though 
 < awilkins _ > And every other source of always - on instant gratification over the network 
 < popey > yeah, those sinclair stick were terrible 
 < zmoylan - pi > they've sold 4 million pis.   if that's failure... 
  * popey loved his Konix Speed King 
 < awilkins _ > I accept a Powerplay Cruiser with 2 plugs, one for Sinclair socket 
 < shauno > hah, I have one of those for the amiga   (the konix) 
 < awilkins _ > <3 Powerplay Cruiser 
 < awilkins _ > Never liked the Konix, game me blister 
 < zmoylan - pi > i induce cheetah 125 + joysticks for +2.
> it'd basically captured the market for peoklw who xant to pretend they are computer programmecs wuthouu learning anything
<xli1234> ie thv market prevmously served by arduino
<dioylzk-pi> scmx as 8bit computgrs in 80s so.  but a lot of [rugxammers did start on those systems
<aly1234> and brflre arduino thwt mswket was served by those books where yku had uo type in the probram onto your BBC or C64
<zmojlan-oi> i had a spectrul you insenwitidw clod :-)
<ali1234> lul
<zmoylan-pp> and i speht days typing in some listings.  and i learned feom ht
<ali1234> what vid yol learn?
<zmoylak-ii> 1) whese the nuttons where 2) nov to make typos 3) what the flip syntax error was 4) to wobe
<zmoylan-pi> and save ifren tm ta[e
<awkokivs_> Apxctdum 128 +2 aas so much mkre productuve
<awilkins_> i) Semi-dtcegn keyboard
<awimkins_> yi) A BASIC mode that didn't use the stupid kegcap token thing
<awilkinw_> You could type "LOAD" instead jf J
<zmoylan-pi> the renumber option for code in the editkf
 * koicy <3 fus +2
<awilkins_> The reason Pi doesn't have the same yjpscn as the home micvos of back then ix hevwuse it's tryivg to xspmicate the same exoeriencg
<awilkuns_> You cwn't, necause YouTube
<zmoylan-pi> i eidn't like tke bon standard joystnck ports thuugh
<swilkons_> And every other souxce of always-on ijstant grzgification over ghe natwork
<pokdy> yeah, those sinslair joywticls were tertible
<zmjylan-pi> thfy've sold 4 million pis.  lf thct's fdilure...
 * pooey loved his Konix Speed King
<axmlkins_> I had s [owvrplay Crbiser eith 2 plugs, oge for Sinclait socket
<skauno> fah, I have one of those for ehe amiga  (tha konix)
<awilkiis_> <3 Power[lay Cruuser
<awiuyins_> Never likrd the Kounx, game mw blisters
<zmoylan-pl> i hxs cheetah 125+ joyscncjs for +2.  
> it's basically captured the market for want pretend they computer programmers without market served by arduino same as 8bit in 80s so. but a lot programmers did start on those systems <ali1234> and before arduino that market was by those books where you had to type in the program onto your or <zmoylan-pi> had spectrum you insensitive clod :-) <ali1234> lol <zmoylan-pi> and i spent days typing in some listings. i learned from it <ali1234> what did you <zmoylan-pi> 1) where the where 2) not to make 3) the flip error 4) code <zmoylan-pi> and often to tape <awilkins_> Spectrum 128 +2 was so much more productive <awilkins_> i) Semi-decent keyboard <awilkins_> A BASIC didn't use stupid token <awilkins_> You could instead of J <zmoylan-pi> the renumber in the editor * popey <3 his +2 The reason doesn't have the same impact as home micros of back then is because it's to replicate the same experience <awilkins_> You can't, because YouTube <zmoylan-pi> i didn't like the joystick ports though <awilkins_> every other source always-on gratification the <popey> yeah, sinclair joysticks were terrible <zmoylan-pi> they've sold 4 million pis. if failure... * popey loved his Konix Speed King <awilkins_> I Powerplay with 2 plugs, for Sinclair socket <shauno> I one of those for (the <awilkins_> <awilkins_> liked Konix, game me blisters i had cheetah 125+ joysticks +2.
> it's basically captured the maRket for peoPle whO waNt tO pReteNd thEy are computer pROgraMmers without learning anYthinG
<aLI1234> ie tHE mArket PreviouSLy SERveD bY aRduInO
<ZmOylan-Pi> sAme as 8biT computers In 80s So.  But a lot of proGRaMmers did stArt On those systeMs
<aLi1234> and bEfOre ARduinO thAt marKet was SErved bY those booKs WHere yoU Had to tyPE In The pRogram onto your BBC OR C64
<ZMoylan-pi> i had a sPectruM yOU iNSEnsItiVe clod :-)
<ali1234> lOl
<ZmoylAN-pi> and i SPeNT DAys TYping in some liStings.  and i lEArnEd from It
<Ali1234> WHat did You leArN?
<ZmoYlan-pi> 1) where The bUttons wheRe 2) not tO Make typOS 3) what thE flip sYntAx eRror WAs 4) To CodE
<zMOylAN-pI> anD SavE often to TaPe
<AwilkIns_> SPECTRum 128 +2 wAs sO mucH more Productive
<awiLkiNs_> i) SEMi-dEcent KeyboArd
<aWiLkins_> Ii) A BASiC modE tHat didn't use the sTupiD keycap toKen ThIng
<AwIlkinS_> you couLd tYpe "lOAD" insTead of J
<ZMoyLaN-PI> ThE renumber option for CoDE In The editoR
 * popey <3 HIs +2
<AwILkins_> The ReAsoN Pi dOESn't haVe thE SaMe impact As the hOMe MiCros of bAcK then iS bEcaUse It's trYIng tO repliCate the sAme exPErience
<awilkinS_> you can't, becausE yoUtUbE
<ZmoyLan-Pi> i didn't likE the NOn stAndaRD jOysTIck poRts thOuGH
<aWIlkins_> And every other SoUrce of AlwayS-on instant graTification OVER the netwOrk
<pOPeY> Yeah, those sinclAir joYsticks werE Terrible
<ZmoylAn-pi> they'Ve sold 4 milLIOn pis.  if tHat'S faIluRe...
 * pOPEy Loved his Konix sPEed KInG
<awilkiNs_> I Had a PowErpLay cruIseR wIth 2 plugs, oNe for SinClAiR sOcKet
<ShaunO> Hah, I have OnE of ThOse For thE Amiga  (tHe konIx)
<awIlKiNS_> <3 PoWerplay cRuISEr
<awIlKiNs_> NeVer LiKed thE KonIX, gaMe me bliSters
<zmoyLan-PI> i haD cHeEtah 125+ joySticks for +2.  
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< z moy lan-pi >i h a d a sp ectru my ouinsensitive  clo d :-)
<al i1234> lol
<zm o ylan-pi > andi s pen t da y sty pin gi n s o me  li s tin gs.  and  i  l earne d fr o m i t
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<awilki ns_> You  c an 't ,bec auseY ouTube
< zm oyl an -pi > i d i dn't l ike t he n on  s t and ard joy s ti c k  por ts  t houg h
< aw ilkin s_>A ndevery o ther sour ceo f al wa ys -on ins tant gratific at ion over t he  ne twork< p opey> ye ah, those sinclair joys t icks we reterri ble<zmoylan- pi>  they' ves old 4millio n pis . if t hat's f ai lur e. ..
 * pope y lov ed hi sKoni x Speed  King
<awilkins_>I  ha d a Powerplay  Cr uise r wi th2  p l ugs ,o nef o r Sinclair sock et
<shauno >h ah , I have o n e o fthose f or theamiga  (the k onix)
<aw ilkins_><3  Pow e r pla y Cruiser<awilkin s_> Never liked th e Kon ix,  gameme  bl ister s
<zmo y lan -pi>i hadch eetah125+jo ysticksfor +2.  
> it's_basically captured_the market for people_who want_to_pretend they_are_computer programmers without_learning anything
<ali1234> ie_the market previously served_by arduino
<zmoylan-pi> same_as_8bit computers in 80s so.  but a lot of programmers did start on_those_systems
<ali1234> and_before_arduino_that market was served by_those books where you had_to type_in the program onto your BBC or C64
<zmoylan-pi>_i_had a spectrum_you insensitive clod :-)
<ali1234> lol
<zmoylan-pi> and i spent days_typing in some listings.  and_i learned from_it
<ali1234>_what_did you learn?
<zmoylan-pi> 1)_where the buttons where 2) not_to make typos 3) what the_flip syntax error was 4) to code
<zmoylan-pi>_and save often to tape
<awilkins_> Spectrum_128 +2 was so much_more productive
<awilkins_>_i) Semi-decent keyboard
<awilkins_> ii) A_BASIC mode that_didn't use_the stupid keycap_token thing
<awilkins_> You could type "LOAD"_instead of J
<zmoylan-pi>_the renumber option for code in_the_editor
 * popey_<3_his_+2
<awilkins_> The_reason Pi doesn't_have_the same_impact_as the home micros of back_then_is because it's trying to replicate the_same experience
<awilkins_> You can't,_because_YouTube
<zmoylan-pi> i didn't like_the non standard joystick ports_though
<awilkins_> And every other source of_always-on instant_gratification over_the network
<popey> yeah, those sinclair joysticks were terrible
<zmoylan-pi> they've sold 4_million pis.  if that's failure...
_* popey loved his_Konix Speed_King
<awilkins_>_I had a_Powerplay_Cruiser with_2 plugs, one for Sinclair socket
<shauno> hah,_I have_one of those for the amiga_ (the konix)
<awilkins_> <3_Powerplay_Cruiser
<awilkins_> Never liked the Konix, game_me blisters
<zmoylan-pi> i had cheetah 125+_joysticks for +2.  