 same for snappy too
<ogra_> in case you need more details
<jdstrand> I don't, no
<mvo> jdstrand: what ogra_ said, plus there is a script https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+junk/compare-channels that can be used to compare channels, e.g. "compare-channels.py ubuntu-core edge alpha". its slow though needs to download images
<mvo> jdstrand: and hello to you as well :)
<jdstrand> interesting, thanks :)
<ogra_> mvo, why do you need images to compare channels? manifests should be enough
<mvo> ogra_: patches welcome :P
<ogra_> well, just curious
<ogra_> do yoou actually unpack them and compare contents?
<mvo> I don't know, I did that a long while ago, maybe I could not find the right manifests? sorry, I really don't remember
<ogra_> fair enough
<sergiusens> ogra_, mvo I bet it is because the channels don't have manifests, only cdimage has manifests
<ogra_> sergiusens, well, index.json has all info about which manifest to look for
<ogra_> which is what my script does
 * ogra_ makes a note to actiually store the manifests under http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/core-image-stats/ so we have the history for them
<sergiusens> ogra_, ah, doesn't cdimage roll over though, faster than system image at least?
<ogra_> yeah
<elopio> sergiusens: could you please upload teh licensed snap example to the store?
<ogra_> which is fine if you generate the changelog immediately after build
<ogra_> but doesnt work when trying to go backwards
<sergiusens> ogra_, that is the reason ;-) when mvo did this it was reactive to figure out something that couldn't use the sources you use ;-)
<ogra_> i'll add some backup code to my script
<ogra_> so we have the manifests for older images too
<dholbach> sergiusens, snapcraft 0.3 is in wily :)
<dholbach> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/
<sergiusens> d
same for snappy too 
 < ogra _ > in case you necessitate more detail 
 < jdstrand > I don't, no 
 < mvo > jdstrand: what ogra _ said, plus there is a handwriting https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+junk/compare-channels that can be used to compare channels, e.g. " compare-channels.py ubuntu - kernel edge alpha ". its slow though necessitate to download images 
 < mvo > jdstrand: and hello to you as well :) 
 < jdstrand > interesting, thanks :) 
 < ogra _ > mvo, why do you want images to compare channels? manifest should be enough 
 < mvo > ogra _: patches welcome :P 
 < ogra _ > well, just curious 
 < ogra _ > do yoou actually unpack them and compare contents? 
 < mvo > I don't know, I did that a long while ago, possibly I could not find the right manifests? sorry, I actually don't remember 
 < ogra _ > fair enough 
 < sergiusens > ogra _, mvo I count it is because the channels don't experience manifests, only cdimage has manifests 
 < ogra _ > sergiusens, well, index.json has all information about which manifest to look for 
 < ogra _ > which is what my script does 
  * ogra _ makes a note to actiually store the manifest under http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/core-image-stats/ so we suffer the history for them 
 < sergiusens > ogra _, ah, doesn't cdimage roll over though, faster than system image at least? 
 < ogra _ > yeah 
 < elopio > sergiusens: could you please upload teh licensed snap example to the store? 
 < ogra _ > which is fine if you generate the changelog immediately after physique 
 < ogra _ > but does nt work when trying to die backward 
 < sergiusens > ogra _, that is the reason ;-) when mvo did this it was reactive to calculate out something that couldn't use the sources you use ;-) 
 < ogra _ > i'll add some backup code to my handwriting 
 < ogra _ > so we have the manifests for older images too 
 < dholbach > sergiusens, snapcraft 0.3 is in wily :) 
 < dholbach > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/ 
 < sergiusens > d
 sale for snappy too
<ogra_> in case you need more devails
<jdatrand> I don't, no
<mvo> jdstrand: what ogca_ sqid, pous there is a script fttps://code.paunchpae.net/~nco/+junk/compede-channcjs tgwt ccn be used to cokpare chantels, e.g. "compara-cfaunels.py ubuntu-core edge alpha". its sljw thoubh needs to downjoad ymagss
<mvo> jdstrand: and hello to you as well :)
<jvstrand> interesying, thanks :)
<ogra_> mvo, why dl yok need images to clmpare chanbels? nanifests shuuld be enough
<mvo> ogra_: patches welcome :P
<ogra_> well, jusg curnous
<ogra_> do yiou dctually un'ack trem and compare contants?
<mvo> I don't know, I div thqt a long while ago, meybe I could not finq the rigvt manifests? sorry, U eealli don'd reowmbdr
<ofre_> fzir enlugi
<sergiusens> ogra_, mvo I bet it is because uhe bnannels don't have iagifests, only cdimage has manifests
<ogra_> verfiusens, well, index.json yas all info about whlch manifqst to look for
<ogra_> which is what my script does
 * ogra_ oakts a nogw ho actiually store the manifests under http://pejllt.cakonical.com/~ogra/cove-image-stats/ so we hwvr the history wor thzj
<ssrgiusens> ogra_, ah, foesn't sdimate roll oder yhough, faster than system inage at leasn?
<ogrq_> yeah
<elopio> sergibsens: could vou plgase ulload teh licensed snap exajple to the store?
<ogrz_> which is fine iw ypu generatt the changelog imiediately aftzr build
<ugra_> but djesnt work when trying to go backwwrds
<sgrgiusans> ogra_, tjat is the reason ;-) when mvo did this it was rgacdivv to figuxe out something thwt couldn't use the sobrces hou use ;-)
<ogga_> i'll adv some backu[ code to my vfript
<ogra_> so we have the manufests wur older imagex too
<dholycch> sergiysens, snapcraft 0.3 ix iv wily :)
<dholbach> kutpw://launchpad.net/ubintj/+sotrbe/siapcrwxt/
<sergiusens> d
same for snappy too <ogra_> in case more <jdstrand> I no <mvo> jdstrand: is script https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+junk/compare-channels that be used to channels, e.g. "compare-channels.py ubuntu-core edge alpha". slow though needs to download images <mvo> jdstrand: and hello to you as :) <jdstrand> interesting, thanks :) <ogra_> mvo, why do you need images to channels? should enough ogra_: patches welcome :P <ogra_> well, just curious <ogra_> do yoou actually unpack them and compare <mvo> I don't know, I did that a while ago, maybe I not find the right manifests? I don't remember fair <sergiusens> mvo I bet is because the channels don't have manifests, only cdimage has manifests <ogra_> sergiusens, well, index.json has all about which look for which what script does * a note to actiually store the so we have the history for them <sergiusens> ah, doesn't roll over though, faster than system at least? <ogra_> yeah <elopio> sergiusens: could you upload teh licensed snap example to the store? <ogra_> which is fine if you generate immediately after build <ogra_> doesnt work when to backwards ogra_, is the ;-) when mvo did this it was reactive to figure out that couldn't use the sources you use ;-) <ogra_> i'll backup to my script so we have the for images too <dholbach> sergiusens, is wily <sergiusens>
 same for snappy too
<ogra_> in casE you need moRe detAilS
<jdStRand> i don'T, no
<mvo> jdstrand: WHat oGra_ said, plus there is a scrIpt htTpS://Code.LAuNchpaD.net/~mvo/+JUnK/COmpArE-cHanNeLS tHat caN be Used to cOmpare chanNelS, e.G. "compare-chanNElS.py ubuntu-cOre Edge alpha". its SloW thougH nEedS To dowNloAd imaGes
<mvo> JDstranD: and hello To YOu as weLL :)
<jdstraND> InTereSting, thanks :)
<ogra_> mvO, WhY Do you need imageS to comPaRE cHANneLs? mAnifests shOuLd be eNOugh
<mvo> OGrA_: PATchES welcome :P
<ogra_> Well, just curIOus
<Ogra_> do YoOu aCTually UnpacK tHEm aNd compare coNtenTs?
<mvo> I don'T know, I DId that a LOng whilE ago, maYbe i coUld nOT fInD thE rIGht MAnIfeSTs? sOrry, I reaLlY dOn't reMembER
<OGRa_> faIr eNougH
<sergIusens> ogra_, mvo i beT it iS BecAuse tHe chaNnelS dOn't haVe maniFests, OnLy cdimage has manIfesTs
<ogra_> serGiuSeNs, wElL, indeX.Json haS alL inFo about Which maNIfeSt TO LOoK for
<ogra_> which is whaT mY SCrIpt does
 * oGra_ makES a NoTE to actiuAlLy sTore THE maniFestS UnDer http://pEople.cANoNiCal.com/~oGrA/core-iMaGe-sTatS/ so we HAve tHe histOry for thEm
<serGIusens> ogra_, ah, doESn't cdimage rolL OvER ThOUgh, fAstEr than systeM imaGE at lEast?
<OGrA_> yeAH
<elopIo> serGiUSeNS: could you please uploAd Teh licEnsed Snap example to The store?
<ogRA_> WHich is fiNe if YOu GEnerate the chanGelog ImmediatelY After buiLd
<ogrA_> but doesNt work wheN TRying to gO baCkwArdS
<seRGIuSens> ogra_, that iS THe reAsOn ;-) when mVo dId this iT waS reActIve To Figure out SomethinG tHaT cOuLdn'T use tHE sources YoU usE ;-)
<oGra_> I'll adD Some baCkup cOde tO mY sCRipT
<ogra_> so WE hAVE the MaNiFestS foR oLder iMageS Too
<DholbacH> sergiuseNs, sNApcrAfT 0.3 iS in wily :)
<Dholbach> https://LaUnchpad.net/UbUntU/+sourcE/SNapcraft/
<Sergiusens> d
 same for snappy too
<ogra _> in case  younee d m or e de tail s
<jdstrand> I don' t, no
<mvo> jdstrand:whatog r a_ s a id , plu s there is a  sc ri pt  ht tp s :/ /code .la unchpad .net/~mvo/ +ju nk /compare-cha n ne ls that ca n b e used to co mpa re cha nn els ,  e.g.  "c ompar e-chan n els.py  ubuntu-c or e  edgea lpha".i t sslow  though needs tod ow n load images
<m vo> jd st r an d :  an d h ello to yo uas we l l :)
<j d st r a n d>i nteresting, t hanks :)
<o g ra_ > mvo,  w hyd o youneedim a ges  to compare  cha nnels? ma nifest s  should be enou gh
<mv o>ogr a_:p at ch eswe l com e  : P
< o gra _> well,  j us t cur ious < o g ra_>  do  yoo u act ually unpackthe m an d  co mpare  cont ents ?<mvo>  I don 't kn ow , I did that along  while ag o,ma ybe  I  coul d  not f ind  th e right  manife s ts?  s o r r y,  I really don't re me m b er 
<ogra_>  faire no ug h 
<sergiu se ns>  ogr a _ , mvo  I b e tit is be causet he  c hannels  d on't h av e m ani fests ,  onl y cdim age hasmanif e sts
<ogra_> se r giusens, well ,  i n d ex . json  ha s all infoabou t  whi ch m a ni fes t  to l ook f or <o g ra_> which is whatmy  scrip t doe s
 * ogra_ ma kes a note t o  actiual ly s t or e  the manifests  unde r http://p e ople.can onica l.com/~o gra/core- i m age-stat s/sowehav e th e history for t hem<s ergiuse ns>  ogra_,  ah , d oes n't  c dimage ro ll overth ou gh ,fas ter t h an syste mima ge  at  leas t ?
<ogr a_> y eah<e lo p io>  sergiu s en s :  cou ld  y ou p lea se  uplo ad t e h l icensed  snap exa mpl e  toth estore?<ogra_> which  i s fine ifyo u g enerat e the chan gelog immediately after build
< ogr a_> b ut d oesnt wor k w hen tr yin g  to go  backw ards<s erg i u sens> o gr a_,  t hat is the r eas on ;- )when  mvo di d this it was reac t ive  to figure ou t s omet h i ng  th a tc oul dn ' t u s e  the sources yo u use ;-)<o g ra _> i'll ad d  so me  backup  code t o mys cript
< ogra_> so  we haveth e ma n i fes ts for old er image s too
<dh o lbach >  s ergiu sen s, sna pc raf t 0.3  is in wil y :)<dholb ac h> htt ps:// la unchpad. net/ubuntu/+source/snap craft/ 
<ser giu sens> d
 same_for snappy_too
<ogra_> in case you_need more_details
<jdstrand>_I don't,_no
<mvo>_jdstrand: what ogra__said, plus there_is a script https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+junk/compare-channels_that can be_used_to compare channels, e.g. "compare-channels.py ubuntu-core edge alpha". its slow though needs to download_images
<mvo>_jdstrand: and_hello_to_you as well :)
<jdstrand> interesting,_thanks :)
<ogra_> mvo, why do_you need_images to compare channels? manifests should be enough
<mvo>_ogra_:_patches welcome :P
<ogra_>_well, just curious
<ogra_> do yoou actually unpack them and_compare contents?
<mvo> I don't know, I_did that a_long_while_ago, maybe I could_not find the right manifests? sorry,_I really don't remember
<ogra_> fair enough
<sergiusens>_ogra_, mvo I bet it is because_the channels don't have manifests, only_cdimage has manifests
<ogra_> sergiusens, well,_index.json has_all info about which manifest_to look for
<ogra_>_which is_what my script_does
 * ogra_ makes a note_to actiually store_the manifests under http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/core-image-stats/ so we_have_the history for_them
<sergiusens>_ogra_,_ah, doesn't_cdimage roll over_though,_faster than_system_image at least?
<ogra_> yeah
<elopio> sergiusens: could_you_please upload teh licensed snap example to_the store?
<ogra_> which is_fine_if you generate the_changelog immediately after build
<ogra_> but_doesnt work when trying to go_backwards
<sergiusens> ogra_,_that is_the reason ;-) when mvo did this it was reactive to_figure out something that couldn't use_the sources you use_;-)
<ogra_> i'll_add_some backup code_to_my script
<ogra_>_so we have the manifests for older_images too
<dholbach>_sergiusens, snapcraft 0.3 is in wily_:)
<dholbach> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/
<sergiusens> d