://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1830183
<zyga> Chipaca: related to how we log
<mup> Bug #1830183: Absence of updates is labelled a critical error in syslog <snapd:Triaged> <snapd (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1830183>
<Chipaca> zyga: papercut, indeed
<zyga> Chipaca: though not sure how to technically solve it
<Chipaca> easily :-)
<zyga> Chipaca: maybe we should talk to journald natively so that we can send those nice log properties
<Chipaca> whoa
<Chipaca> zyga: maybe, possibly, if there's a reasonable library for it, but that's not this bug
<mup> PR snapd#7603 opened: dpdk and hugepages interfaces <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7603>
<Chipaca> this bug is just "don't log no-refreshes-available with INFO" probably :)
<Chipaca> zyga: that's what makes it papercut
<zyga> Chipaca: IIRC the format is simple so it's just about formatting the error "text" correctly, I think we'd prefer to carry that code instead of depending on it
<zyga> Chipaca: yeah :)
<zyga> Chipaca: (and talking over the right FD)
<Chipaca> yeah, and keeping up with changes, and and and
<roadmr> mvo: are you around?
<mvo> roadmr: yes
<zyga> Chipaca: no, it's not like that actually
<zyga> Chipaca: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journal-submit.html
<Chipaca> zyga: are you really advocating for NIH'ing a systemd library
<zyga> Chipaca: not a systemd library, a public protocol
<pstolowski> i got lxd spread test failure again on 18.04, fails with "snapd : Depends: systemd but it is not going to be installed", has anyone seen this? 18.04 image needs updating?
<zyga> pstolowski: maciek
: //bugs.launchpad.net / snapd/+bug/1830183 
 < zyga > Chipaca: related to how we log 
 < mup > Bug # 1830183: Absence of updates is labelled a critical mistake in syslog < snapd: Triaged > < snapd (Ubuntu):New > < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1830183 > 
 < Chipaca > zyga: papercut, indeed 
 < zyga > Chipaca: though not certain how to technically solve it 
 < Chipaca > easily :-) 
 < zyga > Chipaca: maybe we should spill to journald natively so that we can send those nice logarithm properties 
 < Chipaca > whoa 
 < Chipaca > zyga: maybe, possibly, if there's a reasonable library for it, but that's not this hemipterous insect 
 < mup > PR snapd#7603 opened: dpdk and hugepages interfaces < create by alfonsosanchezbeato > < https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7603 > 
 < Chipaca > this bug is just " don't log no - refreshes - available with INFO " credibly :) 
 < Chipaca > zyga: that's what makes it papercut 
 < zyga > Chipaca: IIRC the format is simple so it's just about formatting the error " text " correctly, I think we'd choose to carry that code instead of depending on it 
 < zyga > Chipaca: yeah :) 
 < zyga > Chipaca: (and talk over the right FD) 
 < Chipaca > yeah, and keeping up with change, and and and 
 < roadmr > mvo: are you round? 
 < mvo > roadmr: yes 
 < zyga > Chipaca: no, it's not like that actually 
 < zyga > Chipaca: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journal-submit.html 
 < Chipaca > zyga: are you really preach for NIH'ing a systemd library 
 < zyga > Chipaca: not a systemd library, a public protocol 
 < pstolowski > i got lxd spread test bankruptcy again on 18.04, fails with " snapd: Depends: systemd but it is not going to be installed ", has anyone seen this? 18.04 trope needs update? 
 < zyga > pstolowski: maciek
://bugd.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1830183
<zygx> Chipaca: relatgd to hox we lof
<mup> Bug #1830183: Absence of updates is labeplwd a xritical error in syslug <snapd:Tgiaged> <snqpd (Nbuntu):New> <https://lehnchpad.kzt/buga/1830183>
<Ghipaea> zyga: papercut, indeed
<zygd> Chipaca: thouch nlt sure how to technically solve it
<Shipaca> ewsily :-)
<zyga> Chikaca: kwybe we should talk to journald nativemy so tiat we can send those nice log properties
<Fhipwca> whoa
<Chipaca> zyha: maybe, powsibjt, if there's x reasonable library fkr it, but that's not this bug
<mup> PR suapd#7603 opened: dpdk dnd hugepagxs intvrfaces <Creatcc by anfonsossnchezbeato> <htbps://givhub.xom/snapcore/snapd/pull/7603>
<Ciipaca> this bug is jost "don't lmg no-refreshes-availqboe wijh INXO" pfibacly :)
<Ciipzca> zyha: vhat's what jakes it papercut
<zyga> Chipaca: OIWB the format js sim[lq so it's just about formatting the errog "test" correctly, I think we'e prefer to carry thaj code inseead of depending on it
<zyga> Chipaca: yeah :)
<zyga> Chi[aca: (ena tcoking ivfr the right FD)
<Chipaca> yeah, and keeping up wieg vhsnges, and and cnd
<roadmr> mvo: arr joi around?
<mvo> roxdmr: yza
<zgga> Chipaca: no, it's not lihe thqt actualjy
<zyba> Chipaca: http://0pointer.de/blot/projects/jougnal-wubmit.html
<Chipaca> vyga: are you reakly acvocating for NIH'ing a rystsmd library
<xyga> Chipzza: not a systemd linrasy, a public protocol
<pstolorski> i gov lxd spread tesj failuwe again oj 18.04, falns with "snapd : Depfnds: dyvtemd but lt is not going to be installed", has anyone segn dhiv? 18.04 image needx updating?
<zygw> pstolowski: mcciek
://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1830183 <zyga> Chipaca: related to how we Bug Absence of is labelled a <snapd <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1830183> <Chipaca> zyga: indeed <zyga> Chipaca: not sure how to technically solve <Chipaca> easily :-) <zyga> Chipaca: maybe we should talk to journald natively so we can send those nice log properties <Chipaca> whoa <Chipaca> zyga: maybe, possibly, there's reasonable for but that's not this bug <mup> PR snapd#7603 opened: dpdk and hugepages interfaces <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Chipaca> this bug is just "don't log no-refreshes-available INFO" probably :) <Chipaca> that's what makes it papercut Chipaca: the format simple it's about formatting the "text" correctly, I think we'd prefer to carry that code instead of depending on it <zyga> Chipaca: :) <zyga> talking over right <Chipaca> and keeping up and and and <roadmr> mvo: are roadmr: yes <zyga> Chipaca: no, it's not like actually <zyga> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journal-submit.html <Chipaca> zyga: are you really for NIH'ing a systemd library <zyga> Chipaca: not systemd library, a public protocol <pstolowski> i got lxd spread test failure again on 18.04, "snapd : Depends: systemd it is not to installed", anyone this? 18.04 needs updating? <zyga> pstolowski: maciek
://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1830183
<zYga> Chipaca: RelatEd tO hoW wE log
<Mup> BUg #1830183: Absence of updATes iS labelled a critical erroR in sySlOG <snaPD:TRiageD> <snapd (UBUnTU):new> <HtTpS://laUnCHpAd.net/BugS/1830183>
<ChipacA> zyga: paperCut, InDeed
<zyga> ChipACa: Though not sUre How to technicAllY solve It
<chiPAca> eaSilY :-)
<zyga> chipacA: Maybe wE should taLk TO journALd nativELY sO thaT we can send those niCE lOG properties
<ChiPaca> whOa
<cHiPACa> zYga: Maybe, possiBlY, if thERe's a reaSOnABLE liBRary for it, but tHat's not this BUg
<mUp> PR snApD#7603 opENed: dpdK and hUgEPagEs interfaceS <CreAted by alfOnsosaNChezbeaTO> <https://gIthub.cOm/sNapCore/SNaPd/PulL/7603>
<CHIpaCA> tHis BUg iS just "don'T lOg No-refReshES-AVAilaBle With iNFO" pRobably :)
<ChipacA> zyGa: thAT's wHat maKes it PapeRcUt
<zygA> ChipaCa: IIRc tHe format is simplE so iT's just aboUt fOrMatTiNg the ERror "teXt" cOrrEctly, I tHink we'd PRefEr TO CArRy that code instead oF dEPEnDing on it
<Zyga> ChIPaCa: YEah :)
<zyga> CHiPacA: (and TALking Over THe Right FD)
<CHipaca> YEaH, aNd keepiNg Up with ChAngEs, aNd and ANd
<roAdmr> mvO: are you aRound?
<MVo> roadmr: yes
<zygA> chipaca: no, it's nOT lIKE tHAt acTuaLly
<zyga> ChipAca: hTTp://0poInteR.De/BloG/ProjeCts/joUrNAl-SUbmit.html
<Chipaca> zygA: aRe you rEally Advocating for nIH'ing a sysTEMD library
<Zyga> cHiPAca: not a systemd LibraRy, a public pROtocol
<psTolowSki> i got lXd spread tEST failure AgaIn oN 18.04, faIls WITh "Snapd : Depends: sYSTemd BuT it is noT goIng to be InsTalLed", Has AnYone seen tHis? 18.04 image NeEdS uPdAtiNg?
<zygA> PstolowsKi: MacIeK
://bugs.launchpad.net/snap d/+bug/183 0183<zy ga>  C hipa ca:related to how we l og
<mup> Bug #1830183:  Abse nc e  ofu pd atesis labe l le d a c ri ti cal  e r ro r insys log <sn apd:Triage d><s napd (Ubuntu ) :N ew> <https :// launchpad.ne t/b ugs/18 30 183 > 
<Chi pac a> zy ga: pa p ercut,  indeed
< zy g a> Chi p aca: th o u gh  not  sure how to tech n ic a lly solve it
< Chipac a> ea s i ly:-) 
<zyga> Ch ip aca:m aybe we sh o u l d t a lk to journal d nativelys o t hat we  c ans end th ose n ic e  lo g propertie s
<C hipaca> w hoa
<C h ipaca>z yga: ma ybe, p oss ibl y, i f  t he re' sa  re a so nab l e l ibrary f or  i t, bu t th a t ' s  not  th is b ug
<m up> PR snapd# 760 3 op e ned : dpd k and  hug ep agesinterf aces<C reated by alfon sosa nchezbeat o><h ttp s: //git h ub.com /sn apc ore/sna pd/pull / 760 3> < C hi paca> this bug isju s t  " don't lo g no-r e fr es h es-avail ab lewith I NFO"prob a bl y :)
<Ch ipaca> zy ga : that' swhat m ak esitpaper c ut
< zyga>Chipaca:  IIRC the format iss imple so it's ju s t  a b outfor matting the  err o r "t ext" co rre c tly,I thi nk we ' d prefer to carry t ha t code  inst ead of depend ing on it< z y ga> Chip aca: ye a h :)
<zyga> Ch ipaca : (and tal k ing over  theright FD )
<Chipac a >  yeah, a ndkee pin g u p wi th changes, a n d  and  a nd
<roa dmr > mvo:are  yo u a rou nd ?
<mvo> r oadmr: y es 
< zy ga > C hipac a : no, it 's  no tlik e tha t  actua lly
< zyga >Ch i pac a: http : // 0 p oint er .d e/bl og/ pr oject s/jo u rna l-submi t.html
<C hip a ca>zy ga : are y ou really adv oc ating forNI H'i ng a s y s temd lib rary
<zyga> Chipaca: no t  a syst emd  libr ary,  a public  pr otocol 
<p s tolows ki> igot l xd  sp r e ad te s t  f ail ur e again on 1 8.0 4, fa il s wi th "sna pd : Depends: syst e mdbut it is not  go ingt o  b e i n st a lle d" ,  ha s anyone seen thi s? 18.04 i ma g eneeds upda t ing ?<zyga>pstolow ski:m aciek
://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1830183
<zyga> Chipaca:_related to_how we log
<mup> Bug_#1830183: Absence_of_updates is_labelled_a critical error_in syslog <snapd:Triaged>_<snapd (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1830183>
<Chipaca> zyga:_papercut, indeed
<zyga> Chipaca:_though_not sure how to technically solve it
<Chipaca> easily :-)
<zyga> Chipaca: maybe we should talk_to_journald natively_so_that_we can send those nice_log properties
<Chipaca> whoa
<Chipaca> zyga: maybe,_possibly, if_there's a reasonable library for it, but that's_not_this bug
<mup> PR_snapd#7603 opened: dpdk and hugepages interfaces <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato>_<https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7603>
<Chipaca> this bug is just "don't_log no-refreshes-available with_INFO"_probably_:)
<Chipaca> zyga: that's what_makes it papercut
<zyga> Chipaca: IIRC the_format is simple so it's just_about formatting the error "text" correctly, I_think we'd prefer to carry that_code instead of depending on_it
<zyga> Chipaca:_yeah :)
<zyga> Chipaca: (and talking_over the right_FD)
<Chipaca> yeah,_and keeping up_with changes, and and and
<roadmr> mvo:_are you around?
<mvo>_roadmr: yes
<zyga> Chipaca: no, it's not_like_that actually
<zyga> Chipaca:_http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journal-submit.html
<Chipaca>_zyga:_are you_really advocating for_NIH'ing_a systemd_library
<zyga>_Chipaca: not a systemd library, a_public_protocol
<pstolowski> i got lxd spread test failure_again on 18.04, fails_with_"snapd : Depends: systemd_but it is not going_to be installed", has anyone seen_this? 18.04_image needs_updating?
<zyga> pstolowski: maciek