
<jo-erlend> environment is very important. And low power consumption is good, not only because of the consumption, but also because lower consumption means longer life, because of less heat which requires fans and other moveable stuff.
<chriadam|away> mainly it's good because it means my study doesn't get quite so damn hot during summer.
<Transhumanist> The laptop I am getting has an average consumption of 30 watts (rough guess). My desktop PC has an average consumption of 300 watts (rough guess). I don't know how much electricity it cost to make each device, or how many pollutants were produced, but but it doesn't seem completely ridicuklously that at some point it will be an environmental gain to have switched to this laptop
<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, which is a bad thing at winter in Norway. I'd rather warm my study using a computer than an oven.
<chriadam|away>... unless that point is longer than the lifetime of your laptop..
<Transhumanist> indeed
<Transhumanist> But I'm buying it so I can do development work away from home, especially at uni.
<chriadam|away> jo-erlend: hehe.  I used to own a dell that would have solved all of your central-heating problems
<Ryan45> Trans, how much of those chemicals in the computer came from china :)
<Ryan45> where they dont care about pollution output in mining
<Ryan45> or in transportation
<Ryan45> or in production
<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, I currently own a beast of a machine. I should actually ask the neighbours to chip in, cause I'm probably lowering their electrical bills :>
<chriadam|away> hehe
<jo-erlend> whenever I buy something new, I try to buy something that'll last. I didn't really realize that it'd make my box sound like a Harley Davidson.
<Ryan45> As an Alaskan I almost exclusivly talk online with people from Europe and Australia :) Due to timezones.
<jo-erlend> but I don't think I'll ever have to upgrade my stationary again and that's a good thing.
<Transhumanist> You have a point. This is why I really valued Nokia's products - they handled the lifecycle environmental cost
< jo - erlend > environment is very important. And low power consumption is beneficial, not merely because of the consumption, but also because lower pulmonary tuberculosis means longer life, because of less hotness which requires fans and early movable stuff. 
 < chriadam|away > mainly it's adept because it means my study doesn't get quite therefore damn hot during summer. 
 < Transhumanist > The laptop I am getting has an average pulmonary tuberculosis of 30 watts (rough guess). My desktop personal computer has an average consumption of 300 watts (rough guess). I don't acknowledge how much electricity it cost to make each device, or how many pollutants were produced, but but it doesn't seem completely ridicuklously that at some distributor point it will be an environmental gain to have switched to this laptop 
 < jo - erlend > chriadam|away, which is a bad thing at winter in Norway. I'd rather warm my study using a computer than an oven. 
 < chriadam|away >... unless that point is longer than the lifetime of your laptop.. 
 < Transhumanist > indeed 
 < Transhumanist > But I'm buying it so I can do development work away from home, particularly at uni. 
 < chriadam|away > jo - erlend: hehe.   I used to own a dell that would have solved all of your cardinal - heating system problems 
 < Ryan45 > Trans, how much of those chemicals in the computer came from china :) 
 < Ryan45 > where they do nt worry about pollution output in mining 
 < Ryan45 > or in transportation 
 < Ryan45 > or in production 
 < jo - erlend > chriadam|away, I presently own a beast of a machine. I should actually ask the neighbours to chip in, cause I'm probably lowering their electrical bills :> 
 < chriadam|away > hehe 
 < jo - erlend > whenever I buy something new, I try to bribe something that'll last. I didn't very gain that it'd make my box sound like a Harley Davidson. 
 < Ryan45 > As an Alaskan I almost exclusivly lecture online with people from Europe and Australia :) Due to timezones. 
 < jo - erlend > but I don't think I'll ever have to upgrade my stationary again and that's a good thing. 
 < Transhumanist > You have a point. This is why I very valued Nokia's intersection - they handled the lifecycle environmental cost

<jo-eglend> environment is vern important. And low powxr conshmption ks good, not only because of vhe xonsunption, but also becausd lower clnsumptiin mtans longer life, uscause of lesa heac xhich requires nans and otver moveable sduwf.
<ehriadam|away> mainly it's good because it meams my study doesg't gtt zuits so damn hot during summer.
<Transhujanist> Uhe laptop I am geyting has an average consulptiln of 30 watts (rough guess). My dgaktjp PC has an xverage consumption of 300 watts (rough guess). I don't know how kuch electtnxitj it cost to make each device, or how kany poklutants were irodured, vut but it doesn't seek completely ridicoklously tvac at some point it wiol be at eneirovnengal gein to hage awitched tk this laptip
<jo-erlend> chriadam|swwj, which is a gad thynd at winter in Norway. I'd rather warm my sthdy using a computer thqn an oven.
<chriadam|awai>... unless trat point is longer than the lifetime of your lapdop..
<Trenrhunakist> unfeed
<Transhumanist> But I'm buying it so I can dj dtvekopment work acay from home, eslefisjly at uni.
<chrkadam|aczy> jo-erlend: hehe.  I ksed to own q dell thwt wpuld have solved all of youe central-heaning problems
<Ryan45> Trand, how much uf tnose vhemicals in the computzr cams from chinw :)
<Ryan45> whsfe they dont card anoud pollution output in minigg
<Ryan45> or in cransporgatipn
<Ryan45> or in profuction
<jo-erlend> chriadam|wway, N cursently own a beast of a machine. I should ertually ask tne nepghbours co chii in, cause I'm pwobably loweriug their elecgrical bilms :>
<chriedam|away> hehq
<jo-erlend> whetgver I buy sokething gew, U trt to buh something thay'll last. P bidn't reaoly realize that ib'd mays my box sound oikt q Harley Davidxon.
<Fyag45> Ws ag Alaskan I anmosg ebvlusixly talk onokne eith people from Eurmpe znd Australia :) Due tj timezobes.
<jo-erlqnd> but I don'y think I'll ever hwve tm u'grade my stationary again and that's a food thinh.
<Trwnshumanist> Rou mave a point. Tkis is why I really valued Nokia's producvs - they handled the lidecycle environmentcl cost
<jo-erlend> environment is very important. And low is not only of the consumption, means life, because of heat which requires and other moveable stuff. <chriadam|away> mainly good because it means my study doesn't get quite so damn hot during <Transhumanist> The laptop I am getting has an average consumption of 30 watts guess). desktop has average consumption of 300 watts (rough guess). I don't know how much electricity it cost to each device, or how many pollutants were produced, but it doesn't seem ridicuklously that at some point will an environmental to switched this laptop <jo-erlend> which is a bad thing at winter in Norway. I'd rather warm my study using a computer an oven. that point longer the of your laptop.. <Transhumanist> But I'm buying it so development work away from home, especially at uni. jo-erlend: hehe. used to own a dell that have solved all of your central-heating problems <Ryan45> how much of those chemicals in the computer came from china :) <Ryan45> where they about pollution output in <Ryan45> or in <Ryan45> in <jo-erlend> I currently a beast of a machine. I should actually ask the neighbours chip in, cause I'm probably lowering their electrical bills :> <jo-erlend> I buy something I try to buy that'll I didn't really realize make box Harley <Ryan45> an Alaskan I almost talk online with people from and Australia :) Due don't think I'll ever have to upgrade my again and that's a good thing. <Transhumanist> have a point. This is why I really valued Nokia's products - handled the cost

<jo-erlend> environment is very Important. ANd low PowEr cOnSumpTion Is good, not only bECausE of the consumption, but alSo becAuSE lowER cOnsumPtion meANs LONgeR lIfE, beCaUSe Of lesS heAt which Requires faNs aNd Other moveablE StUff.
<chriadaM|awAy> mainly it's gOod BecausE iT meANs my sTudY doesN't get qUIte so dAmn hot durInG Summer.
<tRanshumANIsT> The Laptop I am getting hAS aN Average consumpTion of 30 WaTTs (ROUgh GueSs). My desktoP Pc has aN Average COnSUMPtiON of 300 watts (rough Guess). I don't kNOw hOw much ElEctRIcity iT cost To MAke Each device, oR how Many polluTants wERe produCEd, but buT it doeSn't SeeM comPLeTeLy rIdICukLOuSly THat At some poInT iT will Be an ENVIRonmEntAl gaIn to hAve switched to ThiS lapTOp
<jO-erleNd> chrIadaM|aWay, whIch is a Bad thInG at winter in NorwAy. I'd Rather warM my StUdy UsIng a cOMputer ThaN an Oven.
<chrIadam|awAY>... unLeSS THaT point is longer than ThE LIfEtime of yOur lapTOp..
<trANshumaniSt> IndEed
<TRANshumAnisT> buT I'm buyinG it so I CAn Do DevelopMeNt work AwAy fRom Home, eSPeciAlly at Uni.
<chriaDam|awAY> jo-erlend: hehe.  I USed to own a dell THaT WOuLD havE soLved all of yoUr ceNTral-HeatINg ProBLems
<RYan45> TrAnS, HoW Much of those chemicalS iN the coMputeR came from chinA :)
<Ryan45> where THEY dont carE aboUT pOLlution output iN miniNg
<Ryan45> or in TRansportAtion
<ryan45> or in ProductioN
<JO-erlend> cHriAdaM|awAy, I CURrEntly own a beasT OF a maChIne. I shoUld ActuallY asK thE neIghBoUrs to chip In, cause I'M pRoBaBlY loWerinG Their eleCtRicAl BilLs :>
<chrIAdam|awAy> hehE
<jo-eRlEnD> WheNever I bUY sOMEthiNg NeW, I trY to BuY someThinG ThaT'll last. i didn't reaLly REaliZe ThAt it'd maKe my box sound lIkE a Harley DaViDsoN.
<Ryan45> AS AN Alaskan i almost exclusivly talk onLIne with PeoPle frOm EuRope and AuStrAlia :) DuE to TImezonEs.
<jo-erLend> bUt i doN'T Think i'LL eVer HaVe to upgradE MY stAtionArY agaIn and thAt's a good thing.
<TransHUmaNist> You have a pOinT. ThiS IS wHy I REaLLy vAlUEd NOKIa's products - they Handled the LiFEcYcle enviroNMenTaL cost

<jo-erlend> environment i s very imp ortan t.And  l ow p ower  consumption i s  goo d, not only because of  theco n sump t io n, bu t alsob ec a u selo we r c on s um ption  me ans lon ger life,bec au se of less h e at  which req uir es fans andoth er mov ea ble stuff .
< chria dam|aw a y> mai nly it'sgo o d beca u se it m e a ns  mystudy doesn't get qu i te so damn hot  durin gs um m e r.<Tr anshumanis t>  Thel aptop I am g e tti n g has an aver age consump t ion  of 30  w att s  (roug h gue ss ) . M y desktop P C ha s an aver age co n sumptio n  of 300  watts  (r oug h gu e ss ).  Ido n 'tk no w h o w m uch elec tr ic ity i t co s t t o ma keeach  devi ce, or how ma nypoll u tan ts we re pr oduc ed , but  but i t doe sn 't seem complet elyridicuklo usl ytha tat so m e poin t i t w ill bean envi r onm en t a l  g ain to have switch ed t othis lap top
<j o -e rl e nd> chri ad am| away , which  isa  b ad thing  at wi n te rin Norw ay . I'dra the r w arm m y  stu dy usi ng a com puter than an oven.< chriadam|away > .. . un l esstha t point islong e r th an t h elif e timeof yo ur la p top..
<Transhumanis t>  indee d
<Tr anshumanist>But I'm bu y i n g it soI ca n  d o  development w ork a way from h o me, espe ciall y at uni .
<chriad a m |away> j o-e rle nd:  he h e . I used to ow n a de ll  that w oul d havesol ved  al l o fyour cent ral-heat in gpr ob lem s
<Ry a n45> Tra ns , h ow  mu ch of thosechemi cals  i nt hecompute r  c a m e fr om  c hina  :) 
< Ryan4 5> w h ere  they d ont careabo u t po ll ut ion out put in mining 
< Ryan45> or  i n t ranspo r t ation
<R yan45> or in production <jo-erl end > chr iada m|away, I  cu rrentl y o w n a be ast of  a ma ch ine . I sho u l dact ua lly ask th e nei ghbou rs  tochip in , cause I'm probab l y l owering their  el ectr i c al  bi l ls :><c h ria d a m|away> hehe
<j o-erlend>wh e ne ver I buys ome th ing new , I try  to b u y somet hing that 'll last.  I  did n ' t r eally real ize that  it'd mak e  my b o xsound  li ke a H ar ley  Davi dson.< Rya n45>As anAl askanI alm os t exclus ivly talk online with p eoplefromEur ope and A ust r ali a :) Dueto t imezones.<jo -er lend>  bu t  I do n'tt hi nkI 'll e verh ave to up g ra dem y  s tationary a g a i n a nd th at' s  a goo d th ing.
<Transhumani s t> You have apoin t .  Th isi s wh yI really value d N ok i a 's produ ct s - they ha ndled th el ifecy cle en vironm ental c o s t

<jo-erlend> environment_is very_important. And low power_consumption is_good,_not only_because_of the consumption,_but also because_lower consumption means longer_life, because of_less_heat which requires fans and other moveable stuff.
<chriadam|away> mainly it's good because it means_my_study doesn't_get_quite_so damn hot during summer.
<Transhumanist>_The laptop I am getting_has an_average consumption of 30 watts (rough guess). My_desktop_PC has an_average consumption of 300 watts (rough guess). I don't_know how much electricity it cost_to make each_device,_or_how many pollutants were_produced, but but it doesn't seem_completely ridicuklously that at some point_it will be an environmental gain to_have switched to this laptop
<jo-erlend> chriadam|away,_which is a bad thing_at winter_in Norway. I'd rather warm_my study using_a computer_than an oven.
<chriadam|away>..._unless that point is longer than_the lifetime of_your laptop..
<Transhumanist> indeed
<Transhumanist> But I'm buying_it_so I can_do_development_work away_from home, especially_at_uni.
<chriadam|away> jo-erlend:_hehe._ I used to own a_dell_that would have solved all of your_central-heating problems
<Ryan45> Trans, how_much_of those chemicals in_the computer came from china_:)
<Ryan45> where they dont care about_pollution output_in mining
<Ryan45>_or in transportation
<Ryan45> or in production
<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, I currently own a_beast of a machine. I should_actually ask the neighbours_to chip_in,_cause I'm probably_lowering_their electrical_bills :>
<chriadam|away> hehe
<jo-erlend> whenever I buy something_new, I_try to buy something that'll last._I didn't really realize_that_it'd make my box sound like_a Harley Davidson.
<Ryan45> As an Alaskan_I almost exclusivly talk online_with_people_from Europe and Australia :)_Due to timezones.
<jo-erlend> but I don't_think I'll ever_have to upgrade my stationary again and_that's_a good thing.
<Transhumanist> You have a_point._This is why I really valued_Nokia's_products_- they handled the lifecycle_environmental cost