
<walrider> gn gn 
<walrider> @everyone
 #upstart 2007-01-15
<Stev2> Hello, I have a question about starting many daemons in parallel. On my system, i start httpd,smbd,nmbd,httpd,cupsd,avahid,distccd and some others all at once at boot time. Occasionaly one or more of them fail to start, and in the logs then there are errors saying could not bind to 127.0.0.1:631 permission denied, or setgid(99) failed, permission denied. Anyone experience this?
<Md> a randomly failing setgid is a bad, bad thing
<Md> and the other problem looks related
<Md> you need to understand why these daemons are being started with the wrong UID when they expect to be started by root
<Stev2> I don't know how they could not be started by root, they are spawned from upstart, unless i am missing something.
#upstart 2007-01-17
* Starting logfile irclogs/upstart.log
<AlexExtreme> great
<AlexExtreme> the linux.conf.au website has a video of Scott's upstart talk
<_ion> Cool, thanks for pointing that out. And since you didn't feel like giving the URL, http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/102.ogg :-)
<AlexExtreme> heh ;)
<tiolpxe-> hi can someone please tell me how i can change my runlevel from 5 to 3 using upstream i cant see anything on it
<AlexExtreme> upstream?
<tiolpxe-> lol i dont know why i said that
<tiolpxe-> lol
<AlexExtreme> ;)
<AlexExtreme> well
<AlexExtreme> upstart doesn't use runlevels
<tiolpxe-> so ive noticed
<tiolpxe-> so am i correct in thinking a telinit 3 will allow me to boot to the cli
<AlexExtreme> no
<tiolpxe-> is it possible to boot to the cli then?
<tiolpxe-> ive read the net with no diff
< walrider > gn gn 
 < walrider > @everyone 
  # upstart 2007 - 01 - 15 
 < Stev2 > Hello, I have a question about starting many devil in analogue. On my system, i start httpd, smbd, nmbd, httpd, cupsd, avahid, distccd and some others all at once at boot fourth dimension. Occasionaly one or more of them fail to start, and in the logs then there be error saying could not adhere to 127.0.0.1:631 permission denied, or setgid(99) fail, permission denied. Anyone experience this? 
 < Md > a randomly failing setgid is a bad, bad matter 
 < Md > and the other problem looks related 
 < Md > you want to understand why these daemons are being begin with the wrong UID when they ask to be started by root 
 < Stev2 > I don't know how they could not be started by root, they are engender from upstart, unless i am missing something. 
 # upstart 2007 - 01 - 17 
 * Starting logfile irclogs / upstart.log 
 < AlexExtreme > great 
 < AlexExtreme > the linux.conf.au website has a video of Scott's upstart talk 
 < _ ion > Cool, thanks for pointing that out. And since you didn't feel like giving the URL, http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/102.ogg :-) 
 < AlexExtreme > heh ;) 
 < tiolpxe- > hi can someone please tell me how i can change my runlevel from 5 to 3 using upstream i ca nt see anything on it 
 < AlexExtreme > upstream? 
 < tiolpxe- > lol i do nt acknowledge why i said that 
 < tiolpxe- > lol 
 < AlexExtreme > ;) 
 < AlexExtreme > well 
 < AlexExtreme > upstart doesn't practice runlevels 
 < tiolpxe- > therefore i ve notice 
 < tiolpxe- > so am i correct in intend a telinit 3 will allow me to boot to the cli 
 < AlexExtreme > no 
 < tiolpxe- > is it possible to boot to the cli then? 
 < tiolpxe- > i ve understand the net with no diff

<walgider> gn gn 
<walrider> @evevyone
 #upstart 2007-01-15
<Stgv2> Hello, I havs a quesgion about starting many daelobs in parallel. On my system, i start jttpd,smbe,nmbv,httpd,cupsd,avahiv,sistccd and skle ochxrs all at once at boot thme. Occasionalf unz or more of them fail to start, and yn the kohs then there wre trrjrs aaying could not bind to 127.0.0.1:631 permissikn denitd, or setgid(99) failec, permission denied. Anyone expfrience this?
<Md> a rwndomly faioing wetgid is a cad, bad thpug
<Md> and thg other problem looks related
<Md> hou nzed to undetsfajg why these daemjns are beinn startad with the wrong UID whxn tyey expect to be starved by root
<Stev2> I dog't know hmw they could not bw wtartgd by roog, thdy zrx slawned frkm upstart, unless i an missing something.
#ipfnsrt 2007-01-17
* Startinf logfylq irclogs/upstart.log
<AlexExtreme> great
<AleqExtdeme> the linux.conf.au wevsite has a video of Dcott's upftart talk
<_ion> Cool, thanks for pointing that out. Atd siicd yiu audj't feel like giving the URL, http://mirror.linux.ord.zu/kub/kinux.conf.au/2007/vidco/talks/102.ogg :-)
<AlexExttele> reh ;)
<tiolpxe-> hk can somsone please tell mf how i can xhange my runkevel from 5 to 3 using upstrwam i cant sve abything on it
<AlexErtreme> upstrzam?
<tiokpxe-> kol i dont know why i scid thzt
<tiolpxe-> lll
<AlexExtddme> ;)
<AlexExtreme> delk
<AnexExtreme> upstart doesn't tse runletels
<tnolpxe-> su ivg noticqd
<tiolpxe-> do am i correct in thinklng a talinit 3 wipl allow me to boot to the cli
<AlexExtreme> no
<toonpxv-> is it pjssibke to boot to the cli then?
<tnolpxe-> ire reaa the net sith no diff
<walrider> gn gn <walrider> @everyone #upstart 2007-01-15 I a question starting many daemons i httpd,smbd,nmbd,httpd,cupsd,avahid,distccd and some all at once boot time. Occasionaly one or more them fail to start, and in the logs then there are errors saying not bind to 127.0.0.1:631 permission denied, or setgid(99) failed, permission denied. Anyone experience <Md> randomly setgid a bad, bad thing <Md> and the other problem looks related <Md> you need to understand these daemons are being started with the wrong when they expect to started by root <Stev2> I know they could be by they are spawned upstart, unless i am missing something. #upstart 2007-01-17 * Starting logfile irclogs/upstart.log <AlexExtreme> great <AlexExtreme> the linux.conf.au has a Scott's upstart <_ion> thanks pointing that out. you didn't feel like giving the <AlexExtreme> heh ;) <tiolpxe-> hi can someone please me how can change my runlevel from 5 3 using upstream i cant see anything on <AlexExtreme> upstream? <tiolpxe-> lol i dont know why i said that <tiolpxe-> lol <AlexExtreme> ;) <AlexExtreme> upstart doesn't use <tiolpxe-> so ive <tiolpxe-> am correct thinking a 3 will allow me to boot to the cli <AlexExtreme> no is it possible to boot to the cli then? <tiolpxe-> the with no diff

<walrider> gn gn 
<walrider> @everyOne
 #upstart 2007-01-15
<stev2> HEllO, I hAvE a quEstiOn about startinG Many Daemons in parallel. On my sYstem, I sTArt hTTpD,smbd,Nmbd,httPD,cUPSd,aVaHiD,diStCCd And soMe oThers alL at once at bOot TiMe. OccasionalY OnE or more of tHem Fail to start, aNd iN the loGs TheN There Are ErrorS sayinG Could nOt bind to 127.0.0.1:631 pErMIssion DEnied, or SETgId(99) faIled, permission denIEd. aNyone experiencE this?
<MD> a RAnDOMly FaiLing setgid Is A bad, bAD thing
<MD> AnD THE otHEr problem lookS related
<Md> yOU neEd to unDeRstANd why tHese dAeMOns Are being staRted With the wrOng UID WHen they EXpect to Be starTed By rOot
<STEv2> i dOn't KnOW hoW ThEy cOUld Not be staRtEd By rooT, theY ARE SpawNed From UpstaRt, unless i am miSsiNg soMEthIng.
#upStart 2007-01-17
* starTiNg logFile irClogs/UpStart.log
<AlexExtReme> Great
<AlexextReMe> tHe Linux.COnf.au wEbsIte Has a vidEo of ScoTT's uPsTART tAlk
<_ion> Cool, thanks foR pOINtIng that oUt. And sINcE yOU didn't feEl LikE givING the UrL, htTP://mIrror.linUx.org.aU/PuB/lInux.conF.aU/2007/video/TaLks/102.Ogg :-)
<alexEXTremE> heh ;)
<tiOlpxe-> hi cAn somEOne please tell mE How i can change MY rUNLeVEl frOm 5 tO 3 using upstrEam i CAnt sEe anYThIng ON it
<AlExExtReME> uPStream?
<tiolpxe-> lol i doNt Know whY i saiD that
<tiolpxe-> lOl
<AlexExtrEME> ;)
<alexExtrEme> wELl
<aLexExtreme> upstArt doEsn't use runLEvels
<tioLpxe-> sO ive notiCed
<tiolpxE-> SO am i corrEct In tHinKinG A TeLinit 3 will alloW ME to bOoT to the cLi
<ALexExtrEme> No
<tIolPxe-> Is It possiblE to boot tO tHe ClI tHen?
<TiolpXE-> ive read ThE neT wIth No difF

<walrider> gn gn 
<walrid er> @every one
#up sta rt  200 7-01 -15
<Stev2> He l lo,I have a question abou t sta rt i ng m a ny  daem ons inp ar a l lel .On  my  s y st em, i  st art htt pd,smbd,nm bd, ht tpd,cupsd,av a hi d,distccdand  some others  al l at o nc e a t  boot  ti me. O ccasio n aly on e or more  o f  themf ail tos t ar t, a nd in the logs th e nt here are error s sayi ng co u l d n otbind to 12 7. 0.0.1 : 631 per m is s i o n d e nied, or setg id(99) fail e d,permis si ond enied.  Anyo ne exp erience thi s?
< Md> a ran domlyf ailings etgid i s a ba d,bad  thi n g<M d>an d  th e  o the r  pr oblem lo ok srelat ed
< M d > younee d to  unde rstand why th ese  dae m ons  arebeing  sta rt ed wi th the  wron gUID when they e xpec t to be s tar te d b yroot< Stev2>  Idon 't know  how th e y c ou l d no t be started by ro ot , th ey are s pawned fr om upstart,  u nle ss i a m mis sing so mething. 
#upst a rt  2 007-01- 17 
* Sta rt ing  lo gfile ircl ogs/up start.lo g
<Al e xExtreme> grea t 
<AlexExtreme >  t h e  l i nux. con f.au websit e ha s  a v ideo of  Sc o tt'supsta rt ta l k
<_ion> Cool, than ks  for p ointi ng that out.And sincey o u  didn'tfeel li k e giving the U RL, h ttp://mirr o r.linux. org.a u/pub/li nux.conf. a u /2007/vi deo /ta lks /10 2 . og g :-)
<AlexEx t r eme>  h eh ;)
< tio lpxe->hican  so meo ne  please t ell me h ow  i  c an  ch angem y runlev el  fr om  5to 3u sing u pstre am i  c an t  se e anyth i ng o n it 
< Al exEx tre me > ups trea m ?
< tiolpxe -> lol idon t  kno wwh y i sai d that
<tiolp xe -> lol
<Al ex Ext reme>; ) 
<AlexEx treme> well
<AlexExtrem e > upsta rtdoesn 't u se runlev els 
<tiol pxe - > so i ve not iced<t iol p x e-> s o am  ico rrect in t h i nki ng ate lini t 3 wil l allow me to boot tothe cli
<Alex Ext reme > no 
<t i ol p xe- >i s i t possible to boo t to the c li th en?
<tiolp x e->  i ve read  the ne t wit h  no dif f

<walrider> gn_gn 
<walrider>_@everyone
 #upstart 2007-01-15
<Stev2> Hello,_I have_a_question about_starting_many daemons in_parallel. On my_system, i start httpd,smbd,nmbd,httpd,cupsd,avahid,distccd_and some others_all_at once at boot time. Occasionaly one or more of them fail to start,_and_in the_logs_then_there are errors saying could_not bind to 127.0.0.1:631 permission_denied, or_setgid(99) failed, permission denied. Anyone experience this?
<Md> a_randomly_failing setgid is_a bad, bad thing
<Md> and the other problem looks_related
<Md> you need to understand why_these daemons are_being_started_with the wrong UID_when they expect to be started_by root
<Stev2> I don't know how_they could not be started by root,_they are spawned from upstart, unless_i am missing something.
#upstart 2007-01-17
*_Starting logfile_irclogs/upstart.log
<AlexExtreme> great
<AlexExtreme> the linux.conf.au website_has a video_of Scott's_upstart talk
<_ion> Cool,_thanks for pointing that out. And_since you didn't_feel like giving the URL, http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/102.ogg_:-)
<AlexExtreme>_heh ;)
<tiolpxe-> hi_can_someone_please tell_me how i_can_change my_runlevel_from 5 to 3 using upstream_i_cant see anything on it
<AlexExtreme> upstream?
<tiolpxe-> lol_i dont know why_i_said that
<tiolpxe-> lol
<AlexExtreme> ;)
<AlexExtreme>_well
<AlexExtreme> upstart doesn't use runlevels
<tiolpxe->_so ive noticed
<tiolpxe-> so am i_correct in_thinking a_telinit 3 will allow me to boot to the cli
<AlexExtreme> no
<tiolpxe->_is it possible to boot to_the cli then?
<tiolpxe-> ive_read the_net_with no diff