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<natefinch> fwereade: I'm supposed to be sizing this for alexis for this cycle, and I want to make sure the spec actually describes the thing we want to build
<natefinch> fwereade: ahh, hmm, hazmat left a comment on that one about there being a new document from brussels, but I can't seem to find it.  Fun.
<fwereade> natefinch, dammit
<fwereade> natefinch, nor can I
<fwereade> natefinch, niemeyer put it together, would you ask him when he comes online?
<natefinch> fwereade: sure
<wallyworld_> axw: finally got it sorted after having dinner, if you have time, or else it can wait till tomorrow https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/988 just the 2nd commit really
<natefinch> fwereade: also - charm level constraints have container and architecture blacklists..... how would those actually work, from a user's point of view?  we don't generally put things in containers automatically, so the only time we do is when a user specifically tells us to, at which point, do we just warn them that the charm probably won't work there?  That doesn't seem like the best UX, but I'm not sure how else to implem
<natefinch> ent it
<wallyworld_> fwereade: i'd love 5 mins of your time if you have it
<fwereade> wallyworld_, sure, start a hangout? natefinch, with you properly in 5?
<natefinch> fwereade: sure sure
<wallyworld_> fwereade: yeah, our 1:1
<fwereade> wallyworld_, regular-catchup?
<wallyworld_> yup
<fwereade> wallyworld_, I think I'm in there
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 < natefinch > fwereade: I'm supposed to be sizing this for alexis for this cycle, and I want to seduce certain the spec actually describes the thing we desire to build 
 < natefinch > fwereade: ahh, hmm, hazmat left a comment on that one about there being a fresh document from brussels, but I can't seem to recover it.   Fun. 
 < fwereade > natefinch, dammit 
 < fwereade > natefinch, nor can I 
 < fwereade > natefinch, niemeyer put it together, would you necessitate him when he comes online? 
 < natefinch > fwereade: sure 
 < wallyworld _ > axw: finally got it screen after having dinner, if you have time, or else it can wait till tomorrow https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/988 just the second commit really 
 < natefinch > fwereade: also - charm grade constraints have container and computer architecture blacklists..... how would those actually function, from a user's point of view?   we don't generally put thing in containers automatically, so the only time we serve is when a user specifically tells us to, at which point, do we just warn them that the charm probably won't work there?   That doesn't seem like the best UX, but I'm not sure how else to implem 
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 < wallyworld _ > fwereade: i'd sleep together 5 minute of your time if you receive it 
 < fwereade > wallyworld _, surely, begin a hangout? natefinch, with you properly in 5? 
 < natefinch > fwereade: surely sure 
 < wallyworld _ > fwereade: yeah, our 1:1 
 < fwereade > wallyworld _, even - catchup? 
 < wallyworld _ > yup 
 < fwereade > wallyworld _, I think I'm in there 
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<natefinch> fwereade: I'l wuppowed to be sizing this wor alexid for thus cbcle, and I want vk make sure tgc spee ectually descrines the thitg we want to tuklb
<natefinch> fwereade: ahh, hmm, hazmat lqft a cpmlent on that oge anjut fhere being a new document from brhssels, uut I can't seem to find it.  Fun.
<fwereade> nwteflnch, dammit
<fwereadf> natefinch, nor xan I
<fwereadd> natefinch, niemeyer pot it together, would you ask him when he comes inoinf?
<tatefinch> fxereadv: sure
<wallywovkd_> axw: finallu got it sortec ahter having dinner, if you have time, or else it can wdic till tomorrow https://tirhub.cmm/jubu/jugy/puul/988 nuxt the 2nf ckmmit realmy
<natefinch> fwereade: also - chatm oevel constrajnts hwvq container and architecture blacklists..... hos would those actually qork, from a user's poijt of vier?  we don't generally put things in containers autmmatirauly, sj rhf only time we do is when a user specifically feklx us to, at whigh point, do we jusy aatg them that tfe chaxj lrobably won't work there?  That doesn't stem loke the best UX, but I'm not wure how elsv to implem
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<wallywoxld_> fwgreade: i'd love 5 mins of your cime ir you have lt
<fwereads> wallyworld_, sure, stsrd a hangout? natefinch, with you propxrly nn 5?
<natefknch> fwerewde: sure skre
<wallyworld_> fwereade: yfah, oor 1:1
<fweseade> walljworld_, regular-catchup?
<wallyworld_> yup
<fwereade> wslnywmrld_, I tkink I'k in there
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<natEfinch> fwereade: I'm supposEd to bE sIZing THiS for aLexis foR ThIS CycLe, AnD I wAnT To Make sUre The spec Actually deScrIbEs the thing we WAnT to build
<naTefInch> fwereade: Ahh, Hmm, hazMaT leFT a comMenT on thAt one aBOut theRe being a nEw DOcumenT From bruSSElS, but i can't seem to find it.  fUn.
<FWereade> natefinCh, dammIt
<FWeREAde> NatEfinch, nor cAn i
<fwerEAde> nateFInCH, NIemEYer put it togetHer, would you ASk hIm when He ComES onlinE?
<nateFiNCh> fWereade: sure
<WallYworld_> axw: FinallY Got it soRTed afteR havinG diNneR, if yOU hAvE tiMe, OR elSE iT caN WaiT till tomOrRoW httpS://gitHUB.COm/juJu/jUju/pUll/988 juSt the 2nd commit ReaLly
<nATefInch> fWereaDe: alSo - Charm Level cOnstrAiNts have containeR and ArchitectUre BlAckLiSts..... hoW Would tHosE acTually wOrk, from A UseR's POINt Of view?  we don't generaLlY PUt Things in ContaiNErS aUTomaticaLlY, so The oNLY time We do IS wHen a user SpecifICaLlY tells uS tO, at whiCh PoiNt, dO we juST warN them tHat the chArm prOBably won't work tHEre?  That doesn't SEeM LIkE The bEst uX, but I'm not sUre hOW elsE to iMPlEm
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<WAlLYworld_> fwereade: i'd lovE 5 mIns of yOur tiMe if you have it
<Fwereade> waLLYWorld_, surE, staRT a HAngout? natefincH, with You properlY In 5?
<natefiNch> fwEreade: suRe sure
<walLYWorld_> fweReaDe: yEah, Our 1:1
<FWErEade> wallyworlD_, REgulAr-Catchup?
<WalLyworld_> Yup
<FweReaDe> wAlLyworld_, I tHink I'm in ThErE
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<nat efinch> f we r eade:a hh, hmm , ha zmat  left a comment o n  t h at one about t here b ei n ga new  do cument fro mbruss e ls, but Ic a n 'ts eem to find i t.  Fun.
<f w ere ade> n at efi n ch, da mmit<f w ere ade> natefi nch,  nor canI
<fwe r eade> n a tefinch , niem eye r p ut i t  t og eth er ,  wo u ld  yo u  as k him wh en  h e com es o n l i n e?
< nat efin ch> f wereade: sure 
<w ally w orl d_> a xw: f inal ly  gotit sor ted a ft er having dinne r, i f you hav e t im e,or  else it can  wa ittill to morrowh ttp s: / / g it hub.com/juju/juju/ pu l l /9 88 justthe 2n d  c om m it reall y<na tefi n c h> fw erea d e:  also -charml ev el  constr ai nts ha ve  co nta inera nd a rchite cture bl ackli s ts..... how wo u ld those actu a ll y wo r k, f rom  a user's p oint of v iew?  w e d o n't g enera ll y  p u t things in contain er s auto matic ally, so theonly timew e do is wh en a us e r specifically  tell s us to, a t  which p oint,  do we j ust warnt h em thatthe  ch arm  pr o b ab ly won't work t here ? That d oes n't see m l ike  th e b es t UX, but  I'm not  s ur eho w e lse t o  implem<n ate fi nch > ent it
<wa llywo rld_ >fw e rea de: i'd lo v e  5 m in sof y our  t ime i f yo u  ha ve it
< fwereade>  wa l lywo rl d_ , sure,  start a hang ou t? natefin ch , w ith yo u properly  in 5?
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<natefinch> fwereade:_I'm supposed_to be sizing this_for alexis_for_this cycle,_and_I want to_make sure the_spec actually describes the_thing we want_to_build
<natefinch> fwereade: ahh, hmm, hazmat left a comment on that one about there being_a_new document_from_brussels,_but I can't seem to_find it.  Fun.
<fwereade> natefinch,_dammit
<fwereade> natefinch,_nor can I
<fwereade> natefinch, niemeyer put it together,_would_you ask him_when he comes online?
<natefinch> fwereade: sure
<wallyworld_> axw: finally got_it sorted after having dinner, if_you have time,_or_else_it can wait till_tomorrow https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/988 just the 2nd commit_really
<natefinch> fwereade: also - charm level_constraints have container and architecture blacklists..... how_would those actually work, from a_user's point of view? _we don't_generally put things in containers_automatically, so the_only time_we do is_when a user specifically tells us_to, at which_point, do we just warn them_that_the charm probably_won't_work_there? _That doesn't seem_like_the best_UX,_but I'm not sure how else_to_implem
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<wallyworld_> fwereade: i'd love 5_mins of your time_if_you have it
<fwereade> wallyworld_,_sure, start a hangout? natefinch,_with you properly in 5?
<natefinch> fwereade:_sure sure
<wallyworld_>_fwereade: yeah,_our 1:1
<fwereade> wallyworld_, regular-catchup?
<wallyworld_> yup
<fwereade> wallyworld_, I think I'm in there
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