254668 â slightly off-topic, but relevant to your interest.
<popey> hehe
<TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Thanks. Will look at both of them.
<popey> yuuguu is java based, and cross platform, crossloop is windows only, but might work in wine at your end
<popey> TheOpenSourcerer: dimdim also
<DJones> Could be interesting, Sky set to buy a wireless hotspot provider & offer it to broadband customers as a competition to BT's service
<Neoti1> LOL djones Sky use BT for there broadband anyway.... there just a reseller of the BT wholesale stuff... what would be good is if Virgin media did something with wifi.. now that would really challenge BT.....
<DJones> Neoti1: Not always, they're installing their own equipment in some exchanges so apart from using the wires from house to exchange they're not reselling
<gord> when i was with sky, they wern't based on bt
<Neoti1> i work with another high level telecom company and im sure when i looked last they used BT Wholesale for broadband and then just packaged it up as there own with there own router etc.... will have to look again...
<DJones> gord: Same here, sky put their equipment in our exchange and they charge a lot less than the reseller price, something like Â£10/mth for unlimited instead Â£18/mth
<DJones> Neoti1: It depends which exchange, if they've not put their own equipment into an exchange, then they do resell the bt package, but otherwise its just a sky package
 * Neoti1 stands corrected by DJones :)
<DJones> :)
<Neoti1> Djones : what would also be good is if Sky would offer Satalite internet via there sky box...
<DJones> I've been on sky for about 3-4 years since they enable our exchange
<Neoti1> that would also be kinda cool
<gord> i doubt they have the bandwidth for a large scale satellite internet system
<gord> especially one that has to share with the tv service
<DJones> I'd like them to offer internet access via the sky receiver
<DJones> iplayer etc
<Neoti1> well would be kinda good
254668 â slightly off - topic, but relevant to your interest. 
 < popey > hehe 
 < TheOpenSourcerer > popey: Thanks. Will look at both of them. 
 < popey > yuuguu is java free-base, and hybridization platform, crossloop is windows only, but might exercise in wine at your end 
 < popey > TheOpenSourcerer: dimdim also 
 < DJones > Could be interesting, Sky set up to bribe a wireless hotspot provider & offer it to broadband customers as a competition to BT's serve 
 < Neoti1 > LOL djones Sky use BT for there broadband anyway.... there precisely a reseller of the BT sweeping stuff... what would be good is if Virgin medium did something with wifi.. nowadays that would really challenge BT..... 
 < DJones > Neoti1: Not always, they're installing their own equipment in some exchange so apart from using the wires from firm to exchange they're not reselling 
 < gord > when i was with sky, they wern't based on bt 
 < Neoti1 > i work with another high grade telecom company and i m sure when i looked last they use BT Wholesale for broadband and then merely packaged it up as there own with there own router etc.... will have to look again... 
 < DJones > gord: Same here, sky put their equipment in our exchange and they blame a batch less than the reseller price, something like Â£10 / mth for unlimited rather Â£18 / mth 
 < DJones > Neoti1: It depend which exchange, if they've not put their own equipment into an exchange, then they do resell the bt software, but otherwise its barely a sky package 
  * Neoti1 stands corrected by DJones :) 
 < DJones > :) 
 < Neoti1 > Djones: what would besides be good is if Sky would offer Satalite internet via there sky box... 
 < DJones > I've been on sky for about 3 - 4 years since they enable our exchange 
 < Neoti1 > that would also be kinda cool 
 < gord > i doubt they have the bandwidth for a large scale satellite internet system 
 < gord > especially one that receive to share with the television service 
 < DJones > I'd like them to offer internet access via the sky receiver 
 < DJones > iplayer etc 
 < Neoti1 > well would be rather good
254668 â spightly off-topic, but reltvant to your intgrwst.
<popxy> hehe
<FheOpenSuurcerer> popey: Thanks. Will lloj at voth of them.
<popey> yuugju is javw based, qnd rross platform, cckssloop is wihfows inly, but might work in whne at your eng
<pupzy> TheOpenSourcerer: dimdim also
<DJonef> Could bf interesting, Fky xqt tk buy a wireless hotspot provider & offer pt to broadband cistomers as a competition ho BH's service
<Neoti1> LOP djones Ski usq BT for therd broadband anyway.... thete just a reseller of the BT whouesalz stuff... whaj soknd be good ms if Nirgin media did somedhing woth wifi.. now tmat wmule really challenge BT.....
<VJones> Neoti1: Not alwwys, they'ra nnstalling their own wqyipmett it soow ebchznjes so apwrt from usinf the wires from house to exchsndv they're not desellynd
<gord> when i was with sky, they wern't baved on bt
<Neoti1> i work with another high level tglecom com[any and im sure when i looked last they used BT Fholeaxle fjf bgoadband and then just packaged it up as therq oen with there owk router etc.... will nage jo look again...
<DGones> ykrs: Same here, sky puh their equipment in jur rxchange and they charge a oot less thau tye reseller price, domething lnke Â£10/mtn for unlimited instead Â£18/mth
<DLones> Heoti1: It deoends whidf exchange, if thdy'vv nod put thtkr own equipment ynto an eechanye, then ghey do refell the bh package, but otherwise lts jost a vky packagf
 * Neoti1 stands corrected by DJones :)
<DJones> :)
<Nepth1> Dbones : wkat womld also be gooq is if Sky woold offer Satauite interhet via there sky fox...
<DJones> I've heen on sky hor about 3-4 yeqrs wince tfdy enable our rxchange
<Nvoui1> that woyld also be kinda gool
<gudd> i doubt they hace the bandwidtn fur w pacge ssdle satellita ingervrt syrtem
<gord> esieckallu one that has to shdre sith the tv servicr
<DMones> I'd oike thei to offer inyernet access via uhe skb recemver
<DJpnef> iplayer etc
<Neoti1> well would ge kinda hooq
254668 â slightly off-topic, but relevant to <popey> <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Will look at is based, and cross crossloop is windows but might work in wine at end <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: dimdim also <DJones> Could be interesting, Sky set to buy wireless hotspot provider & offer it to broadband customers as a competition to service LOL Sky BT for there broadband anyway.... there just a reseller of the BT wholesale stuff... what would good is if Virgin media did something with now that would really BT..... <DJones> Neoti1: Not always, installing own equipment some so from using the from house to exchange they're not reselling <gord> when i was with sky, they wern't based on <Neoti1> i another high telecom and sure when i they used BT Wholesale for broadband packaged it up as there own with there router etc.... have to look again... <DJones> gord: here, sky put their equipment in our exchange they charge a lot less than the reseller price, something like Â£10/mth for unlimited instead Neoti1: It depends which if they've not their equipment an then they resell the bt package, but otherwise its just a sky package Neoti1 stands corrected by DJones :) <DJones> :) <Neoti1> Djones would be good is Sky would offer Satalite via sky box... <DJones> I've sky about they our <Neoti1> that would also kinda cool <gord> i doubt have the bandwidth for system <gord> especially one that has to share the tv service <DJones> I'd like them offer internet access via the sky receiver <DJones> iplayer etc <Neoti1> well be kinda
254668 â slightly off-topic, but relevAnt to your iNtereSt.
<pOpeY> hEhe
<THeOpEnSourcerer> popEY: ThaNks. Will look at both of theM.
<popeY> yUUguu IS jAva baSed, and cROsS PLatFoRm, CroSsLOoP is wiNdoWs only, bUt might worK in WiNe at your end
<pOPeY> TheOpenSoUrcErer: dimdim alSo
<Djones> COuLd bE InterEstIng, SkY set to BUy a wirEless hotsPoT ProvidER & offer iT TO bRoadBand customers as a cOMpETition to BT's serVice
<NeOtI1> lOl DJonEs SKy use BT for ThEre brOAdband aNYwAY.... THerE Just a reseller Of the BT wholESalE stuff... WhAt wOUld be gOod is If vIrgIn media did sOmetHing with wIfi.. now THat woulD Really cHallenGe Bt.....
<DJOnes> nEoTi1: not AlWAys, THeY're INstAlling thEiR oWn equIpmeNT IN Some ExcHangEs so aPart from using The WireS FroM housE to exChanGe They'rE not reSelliNg
<Gord> when i was witH sky, They wern't BasEd On bT
<NEoti1> i WOrk witH anOthEr high lEvel telECom CoMPANy And im sure when i lookEd LASt They used bT WholESaLe FOr broadbAnD anD theN JUst paCkagED iT up as theRe own wITh ThEre own rOuTer etc.... WiLl hAve To looK AgaiN...
<DJoneS> gord: SamE here, SKy put their equiPMent in our exchANgE ANd THey cHarGe a lot less tHan tHE resElleR PrIce, SOmethIng liKe â£10/MtH For unlimited instead â£18/mTh
<DJonEs> NeoTi1: It depends whIch exchangE, IF They've noT put THeIR own equipment iNto an Exchange, thEN they do rEsell The bt pacKage, but otHERwise its JusT a sKy pAckAGE
 * NEoti1 stands corRECted By dJones :)
<DjonEs> :)
<Neoti1> djoNes : WhaT woUlD also be goOd is if SkY wOuLd OfFer satalITe internEt Via ThEre Sky boX...
<dJones> i've beEn on SkY fOR abOut 3-4 yearS SiNCE theY eNaBle oUr eXcHange
<neotI1> ThaT would aLso be kindA coOL
<gorD> i DoUbt they Have the bandwiDtH for a large ScAle SatellITE interneT system
<gord> especially onE That has To sHare wIth tHe tv serviCe
<Djones> I'D liKE them tO offer InterNeT acCESs via THE sKy rEcEiver
<DJoneS> IPlaYer etC
<NEoti1> Well wouLd be kinda good
254668 â slightly off-to pic, but r eleva nttoyo ur i nter est.
<popey> h e he
< TheOpenSourcerer> pope y: Th an k s. W i ll  look  at bot h  o f the m. 
< pop ey >  y uuguu  is  java b ased, andcro ss  platform, c r os sloop is w ind ows only, bu t m ight w or k i n  wine  at  your  end
< p opey>TheOpenSo ur c erer:d imdim a l s o<DJo nes> Could be int e re s ting, Sky setto buy  a wi r e les s h otspot pro vi der & offer i t  t o b roa d band customer s as a comp e tit ion to  B T's servic e
<Ne ot i 1>LOL djonesSkyuse BT fo r ther e  broadb a nd anyw ay....  th ere  jus t  a  r ese ll e r o f  t heB T w holesale  s tu ff...  wha t w o uldbegood  is i f Virgin medi a d id s o met hingwithwifi ..  nowthat w ouldre ally challengeBT.. ...
<DJon es>  N eot i1 : Not always , t hey 're ins talling the ir o w nequipment in someex c h an ges so a part f r om  u s ing thewi res  fro m house  toe xc hange th ey'ren ot  r esellin g<gord>  w hen  iwas w i th s ky, th ey wern' t bas e d on bt
<Neoti 1 > i work with an o t he r  hig h l evel teleco m co m pany  and im  su r e whe n i l oo k ed last they used BT W ho lesale  forbroadband and  then just p a ckaged i t up as there own with  ther e own rout e r etc... . wil l have t o look ag a i n...
<DJ one s>gor d:S a me  here, sky pu t thei requipme ntin ourexc han geand  t hey charg e a lotle ss  t ha n t he re s eller pr ic e,so met hingl ike Â£ 10/mt h fo run l imi ted ins t ea d Â£18 /m th 
<DJ one s>  Neot i1:I t d ependswhich exc han g e, i fth ey've n ot put theirow n equipmen tint o an e x c hange, t hen they do resell theb t packa ge,  butothe rwise its  ju st a s kyp ackage 
 * Ne oti1st and s corre c t ed  by  D Jones :)
< D J one s> :) 
< Neot i1> Djo nes : what would a l sobe good is if  Sk y wo u l doff e rS ata li t e i n t ernet via there  sky box.. .< DJ ones> I've bee non skyfor abo ut 3- 4  yearssince the y enableou r ex c h ang e
<Neoti1>  that wo uld alsob e kin d acool<go rd> ido ubt  they  havet hebandw idth f or  a lar ge sc al e satell ite internet system
<go rd> es pecia lly  one that  ha s  to  share wi th t he tv serv ice 
<D Jones > I ' d lik e th e mtoo fferinte r net acces s  v iat h esky receive r < DJo nes>ipl a yer et c
<N eoti1> well would be kinda good
254668 â_slightly off-topic,_but relevant to your_interest.
<popey> hehe
<TheOpenSourcerer>_popey:_Thanks. Will_look_at both of_them.
<popey> yuuguu is_java based, and cross_platform, crossloop is_windows_only, but might work in wine at your end
<popey> TheOpenSourcerer: dimdim also
<DJones> Could be_interesting,_Sky set_to_buy_a wireless hotspot provider &_offer it to broadband customers_as a_competition to BT's service
<Neoti1> LOL djones Sky use_BT_for there broadband_anyway.... there just a reseller of the BT wholesale_stuff... what would be good is_if Virgin media_did_something_with wifi.. now that_would really challenge BT.....
<DJones> Neoti1: Not_always, they're installing their own equipment_in some exchanges so apart from using_the wires from house to exchange_they're not reselling
<gord> when i_was with_sky, they wern't based on_bt
<Neoti1> i work_with another_high level telecom_company and im sure when i_looked last they_used BT Wholesale for broadband and_then_just packaged it_up_as_there own_with there own_router_etc.... will_have_to look again...
<DJones> gord: Same here,_sky_put their equipment in our exchange and_they charge a lot_less_than the reseller price,_something like Â£10/mth for unlimited_instead Â£18/mth
<DJones> Neoti1: It depends which_exchange, if_they've not_put their own equipment into an exchange, then they do resell_the bt package, but otherwise its_just a sky package
_* Neoti1_stands_corrected by DJones_:)
<DJones>_:)
<Neoti1> Djones_: what would also be good is_if Sky_would offer Satalite internet via there_sky box...
<DJones> I've been_on_sky for about 3-4 years since_they enable our exchange
<Neoti1> that would_also be kinda cool
<gord> i_doubt_they_have the bandwidth for a_large scale satellite internet system
<gord> especially_one that has_to share with the tv service
<DJones> I'd_like_them to offer internet access via_the_sky receiver
<DJones> iplayer etc
<Neoti1> well would_be_kinda_good