 are socket/timer activated <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6008>
<mborzecki> Chipaca: something you may want to look at ^^
<Chipaca> will do
<mborzecki> it's passing the status of activators to the client, so now we can play with the ui all we want
<mup> PR snapd#6009 opened: cmd: use relative file names in locking APIs <Simple ð> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6009>
<mborzecki> i suppose `snap stop` `snap start` should also DTRT wrt after/before
<Chipaca> mborzecki: as suppositions go, that's a solid one
<mup> PR snapd#6010 opened: cmd/snap-discard-ns: add support for per-user mount namespaces <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6010>
<mborzecki> having 2 separate paths to call sysstemctl is so much fun :)
<oSoMoN> sergiusens, I'm not planning on applying shellcheck fixes to the desktop helpers, but I want to understand why this doesn't work under fedora
<sergiusens> oSoMoN: I will not get in your way there ð
<Chipaca> mborzecki: let's fix that
<Chipaca> mborzecki: i forget why we have two :-)
<zyga> new standup time :)
<Chipaca> mborzecki: once upon a time, everything systemd went via systemd-the-package
<Chipaca> meaning reimplementing things for runit or whatever was just writing a systemd-the-package-alike
<zyga> mborzecki: can you please give a final vote on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6004
<Chipaca> today it's probably less true :-D
<mup> PR #6004: cmd/snap-confine: reduce verbosity of debug and error messages <Created by zyga> <https://github.
are socket / timer activated < Created by bboozzoo > < https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6008 > 
 < mborzecki > Chipaca: something you may want to attend at ^^ 
 < Chipaca > will do 
 < mborzecki > it's guide the status of activators to the client, then now we can play with the ui all we desire 
 < mup > PR snapd#6009 opened: cmd: use proportional file name in locking APIs < Simple ð > < create by zyga > < https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6009 > 
 < mborzecki > i suppose 'snap barricade '` break down start 'should also DTRT wrt after / before 
 < Chipaca > mborzecki: as suppositions go, that's a solid one 
 < mup > praseodymium snapd#6010 opened: cmd / snap - discard - ns: total support for per - user mount namespaces < Created by zyga > < https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6010 > 
 < mborzecki > having 2 freestanding paths to call sysstemctl is so much fun :) 
 < oSoMoN > sergiusens, I'm not planning on apply shellcheck fixes to the desktop helpers, but I want to understand why this doesn't shape under fedora 
 < sergiusens > oSoMoN: I will not get in your way there ð 
 < Chipaca > mborzecki: let's fix that 
 < Chipaca > mborzecki: i forget why we have two :-) 
 < zyga > new standup time :) 
 < Chipaca > mborzecki: once upon a time, everything systemd went via systemd - the - package 
 < Chipaca > mean reimplementing things for runit or whatever was just write a systemd - the - software - alike 
 < zyga > mborzecki: can you please grant a final vote on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6004 
 < Chipaca > today it's credibly less true :-D 
 < mup > public relations # 6004: cmd / snap - confine: reduce verboseness of debug and error messages < Created by zyga > < https://github.
 arf socket/timer activated <Greated by bboozeoi> <httpv://githug.com/snapzore/snapd/pull/6008>
<mborzecki> Chipara: simethung you may want to louk at ^^
<Chiiaca> will do
<muorzecki> it's passing the statua of ccvivators to the client, so now we can pldy wnth the ui all we want
<mup> PR snapd#6009 o[ened: ckd: use relative sile gamea in locking APIs <Simple ð> <Created gy zyga> <https://github.cpm/snapcore/snapd/pull/6009>
<mborzecni> i suppose `snap stop` `snap start` shotod also DTRT wrt after/before
<Chipacz> mborzecki: as suppositions go, ghat's a solid obe
<nup> KR snapd#6010 opeied: cmq/snap-discard-kx: add vupport for per-user mpunv nanespaces <Created by zbga> <https://github.com/snwpcore/sna[d/'ull/6010>
<mborzecki> having 2 swparaje padhs gi cxll sbssfemctl is so much fhn :)
<oSoMoN> swrgiusens, I'm not plsngpmg on applyihg shejlsheck fixes to the desktop helpers, but P waht to understand why thus doesn't work under vedora
<serdiusens> oSoMoN: I will not get in your way there ð
<Cvipace> oboxdccki: oeh's fix that
<Chipaca> mborzecki: i forget why we rzvt teo :-)
<zyga> new stcndup time :)
<Chipava> mnjrzecki: once opon a cjms, everything systeld went via wystemd-tht-packsge
<Chipaca> meaning reimplemwnting thingf for runit or whatzver was jusc writong a systemd-the-package-alike
<vyga> mgorzecki: caj you plezre give a final xotv on https://giufub.com/snapcore/sna[d/pull/6004
<Chi'aca> coday it'r prpbably less true :-D
<mup> PR #6004: cmd/snap-confine: reduee vesbosity of debug and error messages <Creatxv by zyga> <httks://ghthlb.
are socket/timer activated <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6008> something may want look at ^^ passing status of activators the client, so we can play with the ui we want <mup> PR snapd#6009 opened: cmd: use relative file names in locking <Simple ð> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6009> <mborzecki> i suppose `snap stop` `snap start` also wrt <Chipaca> as suppositions go, that's a solid one <mup> PR snapd#6010 opened: cmd/snap-discard-ns: add support for per-user namespaces <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6010> <mborzecki> having 2 paths to call sysstemctl so much fun :) <oSoMoN> I'm planning on shellcheck to desktop helpers, but want to understand why this doesn't work under fedora <sergiusens> oSoMoN: I will not get in your there ð let's fix <Chipaca> i why we have <zyga> new standup time :) <Chipaca> a time, everything systemd went via systemd-the-package <Chipaca> reimplementing things runit or whatever was just writing systemd-the-package-alike <zyga> mborzecki: can you please give a vote on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6004 <Chipaca> today it's probably less true :-D <mup> PR #6004: cmd/snap-confine: reduce debug and error messages by zyga> <https://github.
 are socket/timer activated <CrEated by bboOzzoo> <HttPs://gItHub.cOm/snApcore/snapd/pulL/6008>
<MborZecki> Chipaca: something yOu may WaNT to lOOk At ^^
<ChiPaca> wilL Do
<MBOrzEcKi> It's PaSSiNg the StaTus of acTivators to The ClIent, so now we cAN pLay with the Ui aLl we want
<mup> Pr snApd#6009 opeNeD: cmD: Use reLatIve fiLe nameS In lockIng APIs <SiMpLE ð> <CreaTEd by zygA> <HTtPs://giThub.com/snapcore/snAPd/PUll/6009>
<mborzecki> i sUppose `SnAP sTOP` `snAp sTart` should AlSo DTRt Wrt afteR/BeFORE
<ChIPaca> mborzecki: As suppositiONs gO, that's A sOliD One
<mup> pR snaPd#6010 OPenEd: cmd/snap-diScarD-ns: add supPort foR Per-user MOunt namEspaceS <CrEatEd by ZYgA> <hTtpS://gIThuB.CoM/snAPcoRe/snapd/pUlL/6010>
<mBorzeCki> hAVING 2 sepAraTe paThs to Call sysstemctL is So muCH fuN :)
<oSoMON> serGiusEnS, I'm noT plannIng on ApPlying shellchecK fixEs to the deSktOp HelPeRs, but i Want to UndErsTand why This doeSN't wOrK UNDeR fedora
<sergiusens> osomOn: I Will not gEt in yoUR wAy THere ð
<ChiPaCa> mBorzECKi: let'S fix THaT
<Chipaca> MborzeCKi: I fOrget whY wE have tWo :-)
<ZygA> neW stanDUp tiMe :)
<ChipAca> mborzEcki: oNCe upon a time, eveRYthing systemd WEnT VIa SYsteMd-tHe-package
<ChIpacA> MeanIng rEImPleMEntinG thinGs FOr RUnit or whatever was juSt WritinG a sysTemd-the-packagE-alike
<zyga> MBORzecki: caN you PLeASe give a final voTe on hTtps://github.COm/snapcoRe/snaPd/pull/6004
<ChIpaca> todaY IT's probabLy lEss TruE :-D
<mUP> pR #6004: Cmd/snap-confinE: REducE vErbositY of Debug anD erRor MesSagEs <created by Zyga> <httpS://gItHuB.
 are socket/timer activate d <Created  by b boo zzo o>  <ht tps: //github.com/s n apco re/snapd/pull/6008>
<m borze ck i > Ch i pa ca: s omethin g  y o u  ma ywa ntto lo ok at  ^^ 
<Chipa ca> will d o
< mb orzecki> it' s  p assing the  st atus of acti vat ors to  t hec lient , s o now  we ca n  playwith theui all we want
<m u p >PR s napd#6009 opened: cm d : use relative  filena m es i n l ock ing APIs < Si mpleð > <C r ea t e d  by zyga> <https: //github.co m /sn apcore /s nap d /pull/ 6009> 
< m bor zecki> i su ppos e `snap s top` ` s nap sta r t` shou ld als o D TRT  wrt af te r/b ef o re< Ch ipa c a>mborzeck i:  a s sup posi t i o n s go , t hat' s a s olid one
<mup > P R sn a pd# 6010opene d: c md /snap -disca rd-ns :add support for  per -user mou ntna mes pa ces < C reated  by  zy ga> <ht tps://g i thu b. c o m /s napcore/snapd/pull /6 0 1 0> 
<mborze cki> h a vi ng 2 separa te  pa thst o  call  sys s te mctl isso muc h  f un  :)
<oS oM oN> se rg ius ens , I'm notplanni ng on ap plyin g  shellcheck fi x es to the des k to p he l pers , b ut I want t o un d erst andw hy  th i s doe sn'two r ku nder fedora
<sergiu se ns> oS oMoN:  I will not g et in your w a y thereð <C h ipaca> mborzec ki: l et's fix t h at
<Chip aca>mborzeck i: i forg e t  why wehav e t wo:-) < zy ga> new stand u p  tim e:)
<Chi pac a> mbor zec ki:  on ceup on a time , everyt hi ng  s ys tem d wen t  via sys te md- th e-p ackag e 
<Chip aca>mean in gr eim plement i ng t hing sfo r ru nit  o r wha teve r  wa s justwriting a  sy s temd -t he -packag e-alike
<zyga >mborzecki:  c anyou pl e a se givea final vote on https:/ / github. com /snap core /snapd/pu ll/ 6004
< Chi p aca> t oday i t's p ro bab l y  less t ru e : -D 
<mup> PR# 6 004 : cmd /s nap- confine : reduce verbosity ofdebug and err ormess a g es  <C r ea t edby zyg a >  <https://githu b.
 are_socket/timer activated_<Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6008>
<mborzecki>_Chipaca: something_you_may want_to_look at ^^
<Chipaca>_will do
<mborzecki> it's_passing the status of_activators to the_client,_so now we can play with the ui all we want
<mup> PR snapd#6009 opened:_cmd:_use relative_file_names_in locking APIs <Simple ð>_<Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6009>
<mborzecki> i_suppose `snap_stop` `snap start` should also DTRT wrt after/before
<Chipaca>_mborzecki:_as suppositions go,_that's a solid one
<mup> PR snapd#6010 opened: cmd/snap-discard-ns: add_support for per-user mount namespaces <Created_by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6010>
<mborzecki>_having_2_separate paths to call_sysstemctl is so much fun :)
<oSoMoN>_sergiusens, I'm not planning on applying_shellcheck fixes to the desktop helpers, but_I want to understand why this_doesn't work under fedora
<sergiusens> oSoMoN:_I will_not get in your way_there ð
<Chipaca> mborzecki:_let's fix_that
<Chipaca> mborzecki: i_forget why we have two :-)
<zyga>_new standup time_:)
<Chipaca> mborzecki: once upon a time,_everything_systemd went via_systemd-the-package
<Chipaca>_meaning_reimplementing things_for runit or_whatever_was just_writing_a systemd-the-package-alike
<zyga> mborzecki: can you please_give_a final vote on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6004
<Chipaca> today it's_probably less true :-D
<mup>_PR_#6004: cmd/snap-confine: reduce verbosity_of debug and error messages_<Created by zyga> <https://github.