<alexisb> I am working on milestone breakdowns, was wondering where you were with the LE work you and fwereade broke down in brussels
<katco> alexisb: working on that right now actually. i'm wrapping up the 1st draft of the spec
<katco> alexisb: then wallyworld_ will give it a once-over to make sure i'm not wasting fwereade's time, and we'll propose it for feedback
<alexisb> katco, ah ok, so official work has not begun yet
<katco> alexisb: well, i consider the architecture part of the work ;)
<alexisb> lol
<alexisb> very true
<alexisb> but that answers my q I will make sure to account for it in the roadmap
<jw4> ericsnow: great comments; I'll respond to some of the points and update the PR.  Thanks
<alexisb> thanks!
<ericsnow> jw4: cool
<katco> alexisb: sure thing! good talking with you again
<alexisb> dido
<wallyworld_> menn0: bug 1387884 raised
<mup> Bug #1387884: juju upgrade from 1.20 to 1.21alpha3 is broken <regression> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:In Progress by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387884>
<menn0> wallyworld_: thanks
<menn0> waigani: i've just been chatting to wallyworld_. part of the recent upgrade problems is due to the splitting out of upgrade steps by alpha releases
<waigani> menn0: oh really>
<waigani>?
<fwereade> katco, had a brief chat with wallyworld_ about it a day or two ago, I presume he passed on what needed to be?
<menn0> waigani: it means when an upgrade from 1.20 to 1.21 alpha3 happens, the steps are really being run in the wrong order
<katco> fwereade: indeed he did, thank you
<menn0> waigani: going to merge them back into one list for 1.21 now
< alexisb > I am working on milestone breakdowns, was wondering where you were with the LE work you and fwereade break down in brussels 
 < katco > alexisb: bring on that right now actually. i'm wrapping up the first draft of the spec 
 < katco > alexisb: then wallyworld _ will give it a once - over to induce sure i'm not wasting fwereade's time, and we'll propose it for feedback 
 < alexisb > katco, ah ok, so official oeuvre has not begun yet 
 < katco > alexisb: well, i think the architecture part of the work ;) 
 < alexisb > lol 
 < alexisb > very true 
 < alexisb > but that answers my q I will make certain to account for it in the roadmap 
 < jw4 > ericsnow: great comments; I'll answer to some of the points and update the PR.   Thanks 
 < alexisb > thanks! 
 < ericsnow > jw4: cool 
 < katco > alexisb: sure thing! full talking with you again 
 < alexisb > dido 
 < wallyworld _ > menn0: bug 1387884 raised 
 < mup > Bug # 1387884: juju upgrade from 1.20 to 1.21alpha3 is break < regression > < upgrade - juju > < juju - core: In Progress by menno.smits > < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387884 > 
 < menn0 > wallyworld _: thanks 
 < menn0 > waigani: i've just been chatting to wallyworld _. share of the late upgrade problems is due to the splitting out of upgrade steps by alpha releases 
 < waigani > menn0: oh really > 
 < waigani >? 
 < fwereade > katco, had a abbreviated chat with wallyworld _ about it a sidereal day or two ago, I presume he passed on what need to be? 
 < menn0 > waigani: it means when an upgrade from 1.20 to 1.21 alpha3 happens, the steps are in truth being run in the wrong order 
 < katco > fwereade: indeed he did, thank you 
 < menn0 > waigani: going to unite them back into one list for 1.21 now
<aledisb> I am working on miltstone breakdowns, was woidering where yuu were with the LE work you abd fwtgeade broke down in bfussels
<kanco> alexiwb: wieking on tizt righb now wctucloy. i'm wrapping up the 1st draft of the vpdc
<natco> alexisb: then wallyworld_ will dive it a once-over to mwke xtre j'm not wasting fwereade's time, and se'll prmpose it for geedback
<alexisb> katco, ah on, so official work has not begun ist
<kwrco> alexisb: dell, i consider the ardhitecture part of the work ;)
<alebisb> kol
<alexisb> vwry jrue
<alexisb> uut thwt answers mn q I whll makr sure to accomnt fmr ut in the roadmap
<jw4> ecicsnow: great commenjs; I'll res[oud to some of the poibtw and upddte gye OR.  Tianis
<alexlsb> thanks!
<eridsnow> jw4: coil
<katco> alexisb: surt trpmg! good talkjng wieh you again
<alexisb> dido
<wallyworld_> menn0: blg 1387884 daised
<mup> Bug #1387884: juju upgeade from 1.20 to 1.21alpha3 id broken <wegression> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:In Progress by mento.smivs> <htupw://launzypwd.net/bugs/1387884>
<menn0> wallyworld_: thanks
<menn0> waigani: i'ds kuxt been chattikg to wallyworld_. psrh ps the recent opgrade prkblems is due to tje splijting iut of updradr steps by alpha releases
<waugani> menn0: ok rwally>
<waigani>?
<fwereabe> katco, had a btief cnat with wallyworld_ abobt it z day or twl ago, I pddsume he passed un ehdt needed to be?
<menn0> waigany: it meanw whzn an uperadg from 1.20 to 1.21 alpha3 happcts, the steps are rfally baing run ij the wrong order
<katco> fwereade: indeed he did, tvann you
<menu0> waigsni: going to ierge them bacl into jne lkst for 1.21 nkw
<alexisb> I am working on milestone breakdowns, where were with LE work you brussels alexisb: working on right now actually. wrapping up the 1st draft of spec <katco> alexisb: then wallyworld_ will give it a once-over to make sure not wasting fwereade's time, and we'll propose it for feedback <alexisb> katco, ah so work not yet <katco> alexisb: well, i consider the architecture part of the work ;) <alexisb> lol <alexisb> true <alexisb> but that answers my q I make sure to account it in the roadmap <jw4> great I'll respond some the and update the Thanks <alexisb> thanks! <ericsnow> jw4: cool <katco> alexisb: sure thing! good talking with you again <alexisb> dido menn0: bug <mup> Bug juju from to 1.21alpha3 is <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:In Progress by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387884> <menn0> waigani: i've just been chatting to wallyworld_. of the upgrade problems is due to the out of upgrade steps by alpha releases <waigani> oh really> <waigani>? <fwereade> katco, had a brief chat with wallyworld_ about it a day ago, I presume he on what needed be? waigani: means an upgrade 1.20 to 1.21 alpha3 happens, the steps are really being run the wrong order <katco> fwereade: indeed he did, thank you going merge them back one list for 1.21
<alexisb> I am working on milestOne breakdoWns, waS woNdeRiNg whEre yOu were with the Le Work You and fwereade broke dowN in brUsSEls
<kATcO> alexIsb: workINg ON ThaT rIgHt nOw ACtUally. I'm wRapping Up the 1st draFt oF tHe spec
<katco> aLExIsb: then walLywOrld_ will give It a Once-ovEr To mAKe surE i'm Not waSting fWEreade'S time, and wE'lL ProposE It for feEDBaCk
<alExisb> katco, ah ok, so oFFiCIal work has not bEgun yeT
<kATcO> ALexIsb: Well, i consiDeR the aRChitectURe PART of THe work ;)
<alexisb> Lol
<alexisb> vERy tRue
<aleXiSb> bUT that aNswerS mY Q I wIll make sure To acCount for iT in the ROadmap
<jW4> EricsnoW: great ComMenTs; I'lL ReSpOnd To SOme OF tHe pOIntS and updaTe ThE PR.  ThAnks
<ALEXIsb> tHanKs!
<erIcsnoW> jw4: cool
<katco> aLexIsb: sURe tHing! gOod taLkinG wIth yoU again
<AlexiSb> Dido
<wallyworld_> mEnn0: bUg 1387884 raised
<mUp> BUg #1387884: JujU uPgradE From 1.20 to 1.21AlpHa3 iS broken <RegressIOn> <uPgRADE-jUju> <juju-core:In ProgrEsS BY mEnno.smitS> <https://LAuNcHPad.net/buGs/1387884>
<MenN0> walLYWorld_: ThanKS
<mEnn0> waigaNi: i've jUSt BeEn chattInG to walLyWorLd_. pArt of THe reCent upGrade proBlems IS due to the splitTIng out of upgraDE sTEPs BY alpHa rEleases
<waigAni> mENn0: oh RealLY>
<wAigANi>?
<fweReade> KaTCo, HAd a brief chat with walLyWorld_ aBout iT a day or two ago, i presume he PASSed on whaT neeDEd TO be?
<menn0> waigani: It meaNs when an upGRade from 1.20 To 1.21 alpHa3 happenS, the steps ARE really bEinG ruN in The WROnG order
<katco> fwEREade: InDeed he dId, tHank you
<MenN0> waIgaNi: gOiNg to merge Them back InTo OnE lIst For 1.21 noW
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< a le x i s b>k atco, ah ok,so official wor k hasno t b e gun ye t
<ka tc o > a lexisb: wel l, i  consider  the a r chitect u re part  of th e w ork  ;)< al ex isb >l ol< al exi s b>very tru e<a lexis b> b u t t hatans wers  my q  I will makesur e to acc ountfor i t in  t he ro admap<jw4>  e ricsnow: greatcomm ents; I'l l r es pon dto so m e of t hepoi nts and  update the  P R .  T hanks
<alexisb> th an k s !<ericsno w> jw4 :  c oo l 
<katco>  a lex isb: s ure t hing !  g ood talk ing wi t hyo u again 
< alexis b>  di do<wall y worl d_> me nn0: bug  1387 8 84 raised
<mup >  Bug #1387884 :  j u j uu pgra defrom 1.20 t o 1. 2 1alp ha3i sbro k en <r egres si o n> <upgrade-juju> <juj u- core:I n Pro gress by menn o.smits> < h t t ps://lau nchp a d. n et/bugs/138788 4>
<m enn0> wall y world_:thank s
<menn0 > waigani : i've jus t b een  ch att i n gto wallyworld _ .  par tof therec ent upg rad e p rob lem sis due to  the spl it ti ng  o utof up g rade ste ps  by  a lph a rel e ases
< waiga ni>me nn 0 : o h reall y >< w aiga ni >? 
<fw ere ad e> ka tco, had  a brie f chat wi thw ally wo rl d_ abou t it a day or  t wo ago, Ipr esu me hep a ssed onwhat needed to be?
<men n 0> waig ani : itmean s when an  up gradefro m  1.20to 1.2 1 alp ha 3 h a p pens, t he  st ep s are real l y  be ing r un  inthe wro ng order
<katco> f w ere ade: indeed h e d id,t h an k y o u< men n0 >  wa i g ani: going to m erge themba c kinto one l i stfo r 1.21now
<alexisb> I_am working_on milestone breakdowns, was_wondering where_you_were with_the_LE work you_and fwereade broke_down in brussels
<katco> alexisb:_working on that_right_now actually. i'm wrapping up the 1st draft of the spec
<katco> alexisb: then wallyworld__will_give it_a_once-over_to make sure i'm not_wasting fwereade's time, and we'll_propose it_for feedback
<alexisb> katco, ah ok, so official work_has_not begun yet
<katco>_alexisb: well, i consider the architecture part of the_work ;)
<alexisb> lol
<alexisb> very true
<alexisb> but_that answers my_q_I_will make sure to_account for it in the roadmap
<jw4>_ericsnow: great comments; I'll respond to_some of the points and update the_PR.  Thanks
<alexisb> thanks!
<ericsnow> jw4: cool
<katco>_alexisb: sure thing! good talking_with you_again
<alexisb> dido
<wallyworld_> menn0: bug 1387884_raised
<mup> Bug #1387884:_juju upgrade_from 1.20 to_1.21alpha3 is broken <regression> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:In_Progress by menno.smits>_<https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387884>
<menn0> wallyworld_: thanks
<menn0> waigani: i've just_been_chatting to wallyworld_._part_of_the recent_upgrade problems is_due_to the_splitting_out of upgrade steps by alpha_releases
<waigani>_menn0: oh really>
<waigani>?
<fwereade> katco, had a brief_chat with wallyworld_ about_it_a day or two_ago, I presume he passed_on what needed to be?
<menn0> waigani:_it means_when an_upgrade from 1.20 to 1.21 alpha3 happens, the steps are really_being run in the wrong order
<katco>_fwereade: indeed he did,_thank you
<menn0>_waigani:_going to merge_them_back into_one list for 1.21 now