
<foobarry> think i've caught the kids cold
<BigRedS> popey: linuxes, generally debian
<BigRedS> so I tried virt-manager and LXC but LXC's helper scripts are a bit broken in Wheezy
<MartijnVdS> I don't trust LXC
<BigRedS> and more than once something's been confused by that always-up virtbr1 device
<MartijnVdS> it's not virtual enough
<BigRedS> we use openvz a fair bit at work so I'm fairly comfortable with the concept, and LXC is the modern and hip equivalent
<Myrtti> well then http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-partners-with-google-flight-search
<diplo> I've never tried openvz is it easy enough to use, I've tried kvm multiple times with virt-manager etc and just don't seem to get on with it that well
<popey> BigRedS: desktop or server I meant, kvm should be good enough IMO
<popey> had my eyes tested today. pondering what best value for specs is
<popey> I'll only need them for close up work (soldering) currently, but will need them for reading in the future (3 years maybe)
<popey> do people buy online or is it a case that you really need to go to bricks & mortar?
<MartijnVdS> popey: people get their eyes measured "IRL", but I know a few who've ordered glasses online after that
<MartijnVdS> all you need is the inter-eye distance, and the lens parameters
<popey> i have some numbers on a card, I guess that's it?
<diplo> I've not done online yet, but I'm debating it next time
<diplo> Yeah your report card from the opticians is all you need
<foobarry> who tested your eyes?
<popey> sphere, cyl and axis
<diplo> http://www.glasses.com/virtual-try-on.html
<diplo> Saw this the other day
<popey> +1.25, -0.5,
< foobarry > think i've caught the kids cold 
 < BigRedS > popey: linuxes, by and large debian 
 < BigRedS > therefore I tried virt - manager and LXC but LXC's helper handwriting are a bit broken in Wheezy 
 < MartijnVdS > I don't believe LXC 
 < BigRedS > and more than once something's been confused by that always - up virtbr1 device 
 < MartijnVdS > it's not virtual adequate 
 < BigRedS > we practice openvz a fair bit at oeuvre so I'm fairly comfortable with the concept, and LXC is the modern and hip equivalent 
 < Myrtti > well then http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-partners-with-google-flight-search 
 < diplo > I've never try openvz is it easy enough to use, I've tried kvm multiple times with virt - manager etc and merely don't seem to get on with it that well 
 < popey > BigRedS: desktop or waiter I meant, kvm should be good enough IMO 
 < popey > hold my eye tested today. pondering what best value for specs is 
 < popey > I'll only necessitate them for close up work (soldering) currently, but will need them for reading in the future (3 years maybe) 
 < popey > do people buy online or is it a case that you really need to go to bricks & mortar? 
 < MartijnVdS > popey: people get their eyes measure " IRL ", but I know a few who've ordered glass online after that 
 < MartijnVdS > all you necessitate is the inter - eye distance, and the lens parameters 
 < popey > i have some issue on a card, I guess that's it? 
 < diplo > I've not done online yet, but I'm debate it next time 
 < diplo > Yeah your report card from the opticians is all you need 
 < foobarry > who test your eyes? 
 < popey > sphere, cyl and axis 
 < diplo > http://www.glasses.com/virtual-try-on.html 
 < diplo > Saw this the other sidereal day 
 < popey > +1.25, -0.5,

<fooharry> think i've caught tme kids cold
<BigRgdW> popeb: linuxss, generxlly debian
<BigRedS> so I triev viet-manqger and LXC but LXC's felper scgipts are a bmt broken in Whexay
<MartimuVdS> J don'c vrust LXC
<BigRedX> and more than once somatfiug's been confused by that always-up vyrtbr1 drvlce
<MartijnVdS> yt's mjt vjgtmal enough
<BigRedS> we use openvz z fair uit at work so O'm fairly comfortable with the concept, and LXC id the moderb anq hip equivaldnt
<Myrtti> well then htjp://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-partvers-wnth-google-flugyt-sfdrch
<diplo> I'te nevvr tried openyd is it easy emough to use, I'ye trmed jvm multiple times wivh virt-manager etc agd just dmn'c seem to get on with ir thaj weln
<popdt> BkgRtdS: dssktop or server I jeant, kvm syould be good enougn YNO
<popey> had mg eyes tqsted today. pondering what best value fmr apecs is
<popey> I'll only beed them for close uk work (solqering) currently, but will need them for reading it the wutbvc (3 ydqrd maybe)
<popey> do people buy online or is it a szst tmat you really nced to go to brickx & mpttar?
<MartijnVdS> popey: pekple get their eyed measuted "IRO", but I kgow s few who've ordered glasses online afteg thqt
<MartijnVdS> all ylu need is che injer-eye distance, and the lens 'aramefers
<popey> i have soms numbers on a cafd, P guass that's it?
<diplo> I've not qone onliie yec, but I'm debsting yt next tile
<diplo> Yeah your report card fsom the ophicians is all you need
<foobarry> who tested yoor ayev?
<popey> s'here, gyl and axis
<dipjo> http://www.glasxes.com/vnrtual-gry-on.html
<dpplo> Saw vhis the othqr day
<popey> +1.25, -0.5,
<foobarry> think i've caught the kids cold linuxes, debian <BigRedS> I tried virt-manager scripts a bit broken Wheezy <MartijnVdS> I trust LXC <BigRedS> and more than something's been confused by that always-up virtbr1 device <MartijnVdS> it's not virtual enough we use openvz a fair bit at work so I'm fairly comfortable with concept, LXC the and hip equivalent <Myrtti> well then http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-partners-with-google-flight-search <diplo> I've never tried openvz is it easy enough use, I've tried kvm multiple times with virt-manager and just don't seem get on with it that <popey> desktop or I kvm be good enough <popey> had my eyes tested today. pondering what best value for specs is <popey> I'll only need for close (soldering) currently, will them reading in the years maybe) <popey> do people buy it a case that you really need to to bricks mortar? <MartijnVdS> popey: people get their measured "IRL", but I know a few who've glasses online after that <MartijnVdS> all you need is the inter-eye distance, and the lens i have some numbers a card, I that's <diplo> not online yet, I'm debating it next time <diplo> Yeah your report card from opticians is all you need <foobarry> who tested your eyes? cyl axis <diplo> http://www.glasses.com/virtual-try-on.html Saw this the other <popey> -0.5,

<foobarry> think i've caught the Kids cold
<BiGRedS> PopEy: lInUxes, GeneRally debian
<BigrEdS> sO I tried virt-manager and LxC but lXc'S helPEr ScripTs are a bIT bROKen In whEezY
<MARtIjnVds> I dOn't trusT LXC
<BigReds> anD mOre than once sOMeThing's been ConFused by that aLwaYs-up viRtBr1 dEVice
<MArtIjnVds> it's noT VirtuaL enough
<BiGREDS> we usE Openvz a FAIr Bit aT work so I'm fairly coMFoRTable with the coNcept, aNd lxC IS The ModErn and hip eQuIvaleNT
<Myrtti> WElL THEn hTTp://www.ryanair.cOm/en/news/ryaNAir-PartneRs-WitH-Google-FlighT-sEArcH
<diplo> I've neVer tRied openvZ is it eASy enougH To use, I'vE tried Kvm MulTiplE TiMeS wiTh VIrt-MAnAgeR Etc And just dOn'T sEem to Get oN WITH it tHat Well
<Popey> bigRedS: desktoP or ServER I mEant, kVm shoUld bE gOod enOugh IMo
<popeY> hAd my eyes tested tOday. Pondering WhaT bEst VaLue foR Specs iS
<poPey> i'll only Need theM For ClOSE Up Work (soldering) curreNtLY, BuT will neeD them fOR rEaDIng in the FuTurE (3 yeaRS Maybe)
<PopeY> Do People buY onlinE Or Is It a case ThAt you rEaLly NeeD to go TO briCks & morTar?
<MartiJnVdS> POpey: people get tHEir eyes measurED "Irl", BuT i knoW a fEw who've ordeRed gLAsseS onlINe AftER that
<martiJnvDS> ALl you need is the inter-EyE distaNce, anD the lens paramEters
<popey> I HAVe some nuMberS On A Card, I guess that'S it?
<diPlo> I've not dONe online Yet, buT I'm debatIng it next TIMe
<diplo> YEah YouR rePorT CArD from the opticIANs is AlL you neeD
<foObarry> wHo tEstEd yOur EyEs?
<popey> spHere, cyl aNd AxIs
<DiPlo> Http://wWW.glasses.CoM/viRtUal-Try-on.HTml
<dipLo> Saw This ThE oTHer Day
<popeY> +1.25, -0.5,

<foobarry> think i've cau ght the ki ds co ld<Bi gR edS>  pop ey: linuxes, g e nera lly debian
<BigRedS> s o I t ri e d vi r t- manag er andL XC b utLX C' s h el p er  scri pts  are abit broken  in  W heezy
<Marti j nV dS> I don' t t rust LXC
<Bi gRe dS> an dmor e  than  on ce so methin g 's bee n confuse db y that always- u p  v irtb r1 device
<Martij n Vd S > it's not vir tual e no u gh < Big Red S> we useop envza  fair b i ta t wor k  so I'm fairl y comfortab l e w ith th econ c ept, a nd LX Ci s t he modern a nd h ip equiva lent
< M yrtti>w ell the n http :// www .rya n ai r. com /e n /ne w s/ rya n air -partner s- wi th-go ogle - f l i ght- sea rch<dipl o> I've never  tr iedo pen vz is  it e asyen oughto use , I'v etried kvm multi pletimes wit h v ir t-m an agere tc and  ju stdon't s eem tog eton w i th  it that well
<pop ey > Bi gRedS: d esktop or  s e rver I m ea nt,  kvm s hould  beg oo d enough  IMO
< p op ey > had m yeyes t es ted  to day.p onde ring w hat best  valu e  for specs is< popey> I'll o n ly n ee d  the m f or close up  wor k  (so lder i ng ) c u rrent ly, b ut wi l l need them for rea di ng inthe f uture (3 year s maybe)
< p o p ey> do p eopl e  b u y online or is  it a  case that you real ly ne ed to go  to brick s & mortar ?
< Mar tij nVd S >  p opey: peopleg e t th ei r eyesmea sured " IRL ",but  Ikn ow a fewwho've o rd er ed  g las ses o n line aft er  th at 
<M artij n VdS> a ll yo u ne ed  i s  th e inter - ey e dist an ce , an d t he  lens  par a met ers
<po pey> i ha ves omenu mb ers ona card, I gue ss  that's it ?<di plo> I ' v e not do ne online yet, but I'md ebating  it  next  tim e
<diplo>  Ye ah you r r e port c ard fr om th eopt i c iansi s  a llyo u need
<fo o b arr y> wh otest ed your  eyes?
<popey> sph e re,  cyl and axis 
<d iplo > ht tp: / /w w w.g la s ses . c om/virtual-try- on.html
<d ip l o>  Saw thist heot her day 
<popey > +1. 2 5, -0.5 ,

<foobarry> think_i've caught_the kids cold
<BigRedS> popey:_linuxes, generally_debian
<BigRedS>_so I_tried_virt-manager and LXC_but LXC's helper_scripts are a bit_broken in Wheezy
<MartijnVdS>_I_don't trust LXC
<BigRedS> and more than once something's been confused by that always-up virtbr1_device
<MartijnVdS>_it's not_virtual_enough
<BigRedS>_we use openvz a fair_bit at work so I'm_fairly comfortable_with the concept, and LXC is the modern_and_hip equivalent
<Myrtti> well_then http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-partners-with-google-flight-search
<diplo> I've never tried openvz is it easy_enough to use, I've tried kvm_multiple times with_virt-manager_etc_and just don't seem_to get on with it that_well
<popey> BigRedS: desktop or server I_meant, kvm should be good enough IMO
<popey>_had my eyes tested today. pondering_what best value for specs_is
<popey> I'll_only need them for close_up work (soldering)_currently, but_will need them_for reading in the future (3_years maybe)
<popey> do_people buy online or is it_a_case that you_really_need_to go_to bricks &_mortar?
<MartijnVdS>_popey: people_get_their eyes measured "IRL", but I_know_a few who've ordered glasses online after_that
<MartijnVdS> all you need_is_the inter-eye distance, and_the lens parameters
<popey> i have_some numbers on a card, I_guess that's_it?
<diplo> I've_not done online yet, but I'm debating it next time
<diplo> Yeah_your report card from the opticians_is all you need
<foobarry>_who tested_your_eyes?
<popey> sphere, cyl_and_axis
<diplo> http://www.glasses.com/virtual-try-on.html
<diplo>_Saw this the other day
<popey> +1.25, -0.5,