by improvement :D
<wallyworld> fix every test suite?
<wallyworld> there's a lot of them
<anastasiamac> if u r really keen :D but i was talking about the test (or its suite) that was brought up to u attention
<wallyworld> it embeds BaseSuite. I'd rather approach the problem holistically
<wallyworld> look at making BaseSuite embed IsolationSuite
<wallyworld> but there will be consequences
<anastasiamac> i would have prefered for this suite to embed IsolationSuite rather than Base... It looks like it needs it
<wallyworld> piecemeal embedding IsolationSuite here and there isn't the best approach
<wallyworld> every suite should embedd BaseSuite
<anastasiamac> no it' not... but it gets us to a better place
<wallyworld> that gives standard log captures, cleanup etc
<natefinch> what does basesuite do that isolation doesn't?
<anastasiamac> i think basesuite is more limited
<anastasiamac> isolationsuite should b used where file systems r touched... off memor...
<wallyworld> JujuOSEnvSuite vs OSEnvSuite
<natefinch> if you need logging to figure out why your tests failed, it means your tests are bad
<wallyworld> i'm not talking about that
<wallyworld> log capture prevents logginf leaking onto the console
<natefinch> ahh
<anastasiamac> fun regression in tests \o/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1466520
<mup> Bug #1466520: serviceSuite setup fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core 1.24:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466520>
<mup> Bug #1466520 changed: serviceSuite setup fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core 1.24:W
by improvement :D 
 < wallyworld > fix every test suite? 
 < wallyworld > there's a lot of them 
 < anastasiamac > if uracil r in truth keen :D but i was talking about the test (or its cortege) that was brought up to u attention 
 < wallyworld > it implant BaseSuite. I'd rather approach the trouble holistically 
 < wallyworld > attend at making BaseSuite embed IsolationSuite 
 < wallyworld > but there will be consequence 
 < anastasiamac > i would have prefered for this suite to implant IsolationSuite rather than Base... It looks like it need it 
 < wallyworld > piecemeal embedding IsolationSuite here and there isn't the good approach 
 < wallyworld > every suite should embedd BaseSuite 
 < anastasiamac > no it' not... but it get us to a better place 
 < wallyworld > that gives standard log capture, cleanup etc 
 < natefinch > what does basesuite do that isolation doesn't? 
 < anastasiamac > i think basesuite is more limited 
 < anastasiamac > isolationsuite should b used where file system r touched... off memor... 
 < wallyworld > JujuOSEnvSuite vs OSEnvSuite 
 < natefinch > if you need logging to figure out why your tests fail, it means your tests are bad 
 < wallyworld > i'm not talking about that 
 < wallyworld > log capture prevents logginf leaking onto the console 
 < natefinch > ahh 
 < anastasiamac > fun regression in tests \o/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1466520 
 < mup > hemipterous insect # 1466520: serviceSuite setup fails < ci > < intermittent - bankruptcy > < unit of measurement - examination > < juju: Triaged > < juju - core: Fix Released > < juju - core 1.24: Won't Fix > < juju - core 1.25: Fix Released > < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466520 > 
 < mup > Bug # 1466520 changed: serviceSuite apparatus fails < ci > < intermittent - failure > < unit - tests > < juju: Triaged > < juju - core: Fix Released > < juju - congress of racial equality 1.24: W
by lmprovement :D
<wallyworld> nix every test soire?
<wallbworld> fhere's a lot of them
<anastasiamac> if n r eeallt keen :D but i was talying aboun the tesr (or uts suite) vgat was brouggb up co u attention
<waklyworld> id embeds BaseSgige. I'd rather approach the problem holysticalky
<aallyworld> looh at iakihg BaseSuite embed IsolationSuite
<wzllywornd> but there eill be consequences
<anastadiamwc> i would have prffered for jgis wuite to embdd IsolationSuite rathgr than Base... It looks like it nedds ic
<wallyworld> puecfkeal embeddmng IsjlationSuite here ang there isn't the best ap'roaxh
<wallyworld> every sumte should embedd BafeSuite
<andscasiamac> no it' not... bur ut gejs us to x begted 'lade
<walljwocld> that gibes standare log captures, cleamu[ etc
<natefinch> what qoqs basesuite do that isolation doesn't?
<andstzsiamac> i think basesuire is more limited
<anadtasiamac> isolationsuite should b used where file systems s tourhdd... ifn meoir...
<aallyworld> JujuOSEnvSuite vs OSEnvSuite
<natefigdh> in you need loggikg to figure out wny ypor tests failea, it mzzna your tests are bwd
<wallyrorld> i'm not twlkimg about that
<wallyworld> log capture prenentw logginf leaking lnto the cousole
<nstefimch> ahh
<anastasiamac> fun regdession in hests \o/ hfgps://bugs.launchpad.vet/mujg/+bug/1466520
<mup> Bug #1466520: serviceSuite fetup faios <cn> <intermkttemt-failtre> <unit-tedts> <jmbu:Triaged> <juju-core:Vix Rgleaseg> <juju-core 1.24:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released> <https://launchpac.nat/blgs/1466520>
<mup> Buy #1466520 chakged: serviceSuiee setup fails <ci> <intzrmittdnt-failure> <unit-tevts> <juju:Triwged> <juju-core:Xlx Released> <ouju-core 1.24:R
by improvement :D <wallyworld> fix every test there's lot of <anastasiamac> if u i talking about the (or its suite) was brought up to u attention it embeds BaseSuite. I'd rather approach the problem holistically <wallyworld> look at making embed IsolationSuite <wallyworld> but there will be consequences <anastasiamac> i would have prefered this to IsolationSuite than Base... It looks like it needs it <wallyworld> piecemeal embedding IsolationSuite here and there isn't best approach <wallyworld> every suite should embedd BaseSuite no it' not... but gets us to a better <wallyworld> gives standard captures, etc what does basesuite that isolation doesn't? <anastasiamac> i think basesuite is more limited <anastasiamac> isolationsuite should b used where file r touched... <wallyworld> JujuOSEnvSuite OSEnvSuite if need logging to why your tests failed, it means bad <wallyworld> i'm not talking about that <wallyworld> capture prevents leaking onto the console <natefinch> ahh fun regression in tests \o/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1466520 <mup> Bug serviceSuite setup fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core 1.24:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released> Bug #1466520 changed: serviceSuite fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <juju:Triaged> Released> 1.24:W
by improvement :D
<wallyworld> fIx every tesT suitE?
<waLlyWoRld> tHere'S a lot of them
<anaSTasiAmac> if u r really keen :D but I was tAlKIng aBOuT the tEst (or itS SuITE) thAt WaS brOuGHt Up to u AttEntion
<wAllyworld> iT emBeDs BaseSuite. I'D RaTher approaCh tHe problem holIstIcally
<WaLlyWOrld> lOok At makIng BasEsuite eMbed IsolaTiONSuite
<WAllyworLD> BuT theRe will be consequenCEs
<ANastasiamac> i woUld havE pREfEREd fOr tHis suite to EmBed IsOLationSUItE RATheR Than Base... It looKs like it neeDS it
<WallywOrLd> pIEcemeaL embeDdINg ISolationSuiTe heRe and therE isn't tHE best apPRoach
<waLlyworLd> eVerY suiTE sHoUld EmBEdd bAsESuITe
<aNastasiaMaC> nO it' noT... but IT GETs us To a BettEr plaCe
<wallyworld> tHat GiveS StaNdard Log caPturEs, CleanUp etc
<nAtefiNcH> what does basesuIte dO that isolAtiOn DoeSn'T?
<anasTAsiamaC> i tHinK basesuIte is moRE liMiTED
<AnAstasiamac> isolatioNsUITe Should b uSed wheRE fIlE Systems r ToUchEd... ofF MEmor...
<wAllyWOrLd> JujuOSenvSuiTE vS OsEnvSuiTe
<NatefiNcH> if You Need lOGginG to figUre out whY your TEsts failed, it meANs your tests arE BaD
<WAlLYworLd> i'M not talking AbouT That
<WallYWoRld> LOg capTure pReVEnTS logginf leaking onto ThE consoLe
<natEfinch> ahh
<anasTasiamac> fuN REGression In teSTs \O/ Https://bugs.launcHpad.nEt/juju/+bug/1466520
<mUP> Bug #1466520: servIceSuIte setup Fails <ci> <inTERmittent-FaiLurE> <unIt-tESTs> <Juju:Triaged> <juJU-Core:fiX ReleasEd> <jUju-core 1.24:won'T FiX> <juJu-cOrE 1.25:Fix ReleaSed> <https://LaUnChPaD.neT/bugs/1466520>
<MUp> Bug #1466520 chaNgEd: sErVicESuitE Setup fAils <cI> <intErMiTTenT-failurE> <UnIT-TestS> <jUjU:TriAgeD> <jUju-coRe:FiX relEased> <juJu-core 1.24:W
by improvement :D
<wallywo rld> fix e verytes t s ui te?<wal lyworld> there ' s alot of them
<anastasia mac>if u rr ea lly k een :Db ut i  wa sta lki ng ab out t hetest (o r its suit e)th at was broug h tup to u at ten tion
<wallyw orl d> item bed s  Base Sui te. I 'd rat h er app roach the  p r oblemh olistic a l ly 
<wa llyworld> look at ma k ing BaseSuiteembedIs o la t i onS uit e
<wallywo rl d> bu t  therew il l b e c o nsequences
<a nastasiamac >  iwouldha vep refere d for  t h issuite to em bedIsolation Suiter ather t h an Base ... It  lo oks  lik e  i tnee ds it< wa lly w orl d> piece me al  embe ddin g I s olat ion Suit e her e and there i sn' t th e  be st ap proac h
<w al lywor ld> ev ery s ui te should embed d Ba seSuite
< ana st asi am ac> n o  it' n ot. ..but itgets us toab e t te r place
<wallyworl d> t ha t givesstanda r dlo g  capture s,  cl eanu p etc
< nate f in ch> what  doesb as es uite do  t hat is ol ati ondoesn ' t?
< anasta siamac>i thi n k basesuite is more limited< an a s ta s iama c>isolationsu ites houl d bu se d w h ere f ile s ys t em s  r touched... off m em or...<wall yworld> JujuO SEnvSuitev s OSEnvSui te
< n at e finch> if youneedlogging to figure o ut wh y your t ests fail e d , it mea nsyou r t est s ar e bad
<wallyw o r ld>i' m not t alk ing abo uttha t
< wal ly world> lo g captur epr ev en tsloggi n f leakin gont othe  cons o le
<na tefin ch>ah h< ana stasiam a c> f un r eg re ssio n i ntests  \o/ htt ps://bu gs.launch pad . net/ ju ju /+bug/1 466520
<mup>Bu g #1466520 :ser viceSu i t e setupfails <ci> <intermitten t -failur e><unit -tes ts> <juju :Tr iaged>  <j u ju-cor e:FixRelea se d>< j uju-c o r e1.2 4: Won't Fix> < juj u-cor e1.25 :Fix Re leased> <https://l a unc hpad.net/bugs /14 6652 0 > 
< mup >  B u g # 14 6 652 0 changed: servic eSuite set up fa ils <ci> < i nte rm ittent- failure > <un i t-tests > <juju:T riaged> < ju ju-c o r e:F ix Release d> <juju -core 1.2 4 :W
by improvement_:D
<wallyworld> fix_every test suite?
<wallyworld> there's_a lot_of_them
<anastasiamac> if_u_r really keen_:D but i_was talking about the_test (or its_suite)_that was brought up to u attention
<wallyworld> it embeds BaseSuite. I'd rather approach the_problem_holistically
<wallyworld> look_at_making_BaseSuite embed IsolationSuite
<wallyworld> but there_will be consequences
<anastasiamac> i would_have prefered_for this suite to embed IsolationSuite rather than_Base..._It looks like_it needs it
<wallyworld> piecemeal embedding IsolationSuite here and there_isn't the best approach
<wallyworld> every suite_should embedd BaseSuite
<anastasiamac>_no_it'_not... but it gets_us to a better place
<wallyworld> that_gives standard log captures, cleanup etc
<natefinch>_what does basesuite do that isolation doesn't?
<anastasiamac>_i think basesuite is more limited
<anastasiamac>_isolationsuite should b used where_file systems_r touched... off memor...
<wallyworld> JujuOSEnvSuite_vs OSEnvSuite
<natefinch> if_you need_logging to figure_out why your tests failed, it_means your tests_are bad
<wallyworld> i'm not talking about_that
<wallyworld>_log capture prevents_logginf_leaking_onto the_console
<natefinch> ahh
<anastasiamac> fun_regression_in tests_\o/_https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1466520
<mup> Bug #1466520: serviceSuite setup fails_<ci>_<intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core 1.24:Won't_Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released>_<https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466520>
<mup>_Bug #1466520 changed: serviceSuite_setup fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests>_<juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core 1.24:W