 Ryan45, right. And there will be images to install, though the target hardware probably doesn't exist yet.
<Transhumanist> Ryan45's logic is fallacious because he's implying that a) Ubuntu phones won't attract non-Linux users, and b) Linux users won't buy Ubuntu phones upon discovering that in many cases it can't be installed on their old device
<Ryan45> Trans, i am not arguing either of those points
<jo-erlend> Ryan45, if they use Android drivers, then you should be able to run it on most Android devices, no?
<Transhumanist> Well then I am at a loss :p
<chriadam|away> let's all take a moment to thank Stskeeps for that ;-D
<Ryan45> (8:35:11 PM) Transhumanist: yeah. I think all the tech punditry proclaiming this concept dead on arrive because the smartphone market is too crowded are funny
<Ryan45> (8:35:18 PM) Transhumanist: most of them probably don't even know what Linux is
<Ryan45> (8:35:31 PM) Transhumanist: or about the huge culture associated with it and with FOSS and with Ubuntu
<Ryan45> Your third statement argues they are wrong because of ubuntu's culture
<Ryan45> and i am saying they are right on that point because of ubuntu's culture
<Transhumanist> Yeah, why?
<Ryan45> Because I dont want to buy a new phone
<jo-erlend> Ryan45, then just download it and install it yourself?
<Transhumanist> There will be a LOT of Ubuntu fans who will buy an Ubuntu phone. I'm not saying all, I'm not even saying 50%.
<Ryan45> if i have one of the few phones it will run on
<Transhumanist> But Ubuntu is used by tens of millions of people.
<jo-erlend> Ryan45, where have you found the list of Android phones that won't be able to run Ubuntu?
<Transhumanist> Ubuntu ROMs will come out.
<Ryan45> Jo-er: i am basing my position of the fact they are working with OMAP
<Ryan45> because nvidia and samsung keep thier stuff closed
<chriadam|away> jo-erlend: well, it
Ryan45, right. And there will be images to install, though the target hardware probably doesn't exist yet. 
 < Transhumanist > Ryan45's logic is deceitful because he's entail that a) Ubuntu phones won't attract non - Linux users, and b) Linux drug user won't bribe Ubuntu phones upon discovering that in many cases it can't be install on their old device 
 < Ryan45 > Trans, i am not arguing either of those point 
 < jo - erlend > Ryan45, if they use Android drivers, then you should be able to hunt it on most Android devices, no? 
 < Transhumanist > Well then I am at a passing :p 
 < chriadam|away > lease's all take a moment to thank Stskeeps for that ;-D 
 < Ryan45 > (8:35:11 PM) Transhumanist: yeah. I think all the tech punditry proclaiming this concept all in on arrive because the smartphone market is too crowded are funny 
 < Ryan45 > (8:35:18 PM) Transhumanist: most of them credibly don't even know what Linux is 
 < Ryan45 > (8:35:31 PM) Transhumanist: or about the huge culture associated with it and with FOSS and with Ubuntu 
 < Ryan45 > Your third statement argue they are wrong because of ubuntu's culture 
 < Ryan45 > and i am saying they are right on that point because of ubuntu's acculturation 
 < Transhumanist > Yeah, why? 
 < Ryan45 > Because I do nt want to buy a new phone 
 < jo - erlend > Ryan45, then just download it and install it yourself? 
 < Transhumanist > There will be a LOT of Ubuntu fans who will buy an Ubuntu phone. I'm not saying all, I'm not even saying 50% . 
 < Ryan45 > if i have one of the few phones it will run on 
 < Transhumanist > But Ubuntu is used by tens of millions of citizenry. 
 < jo - erlend > Ryan45, where have you found the list of Android earphone that won't be able to run Ubuntu? 
 < Transhumanist > Ubuntu ROMs will come out. 
 < Ryan45 > Jo - er: i am basing my stead of the fact they are working with OMAP 
 < Ryan45 > because nvidia and samsung keep thier stuff closed 
 < chriadam|away > jo - erlend: well, it
 Rywn45, right. And there will ne images to insjaol, thongh the target fardware probably doesn't exidt yet.
<Teanshumanist> Ryan45's logkc is falpacious vecanse he's implying that a) Myuntu ihonev won't attract kon-Linux usars, and b) Linuf jszrs won't buy Ubuntu phones upon discjvering tjat in many cafes pt can'f be installed on their old device
<Dyan45> Trens, i am not arbuing either of those poinhs
<jo-frlend> Ryan45, if thej use Androud dwuvers, then yuu should be able to ron it on most Android devices, no?
<Granskumanist> Weol thft I am at a loss :p
<chriadam|away> let's dll takr a moment to bhank Stwkeeps for that ;-D
<Ryan45> (8:35:11 PM) Transhumanist: yeah. I tviuk all the tech pundirrt prowlaiking rhir cknrepf dead on arrive bedause the snartphone market is tji crowded are funny
<Wywn45> (8:35:18 PM) Transhumanist: most of them probatly don't even know what Libux is
<Ryan45> (8:35:31 PM) Transhomanist: or about the huge culture associated with it and widh FOAR aue witf Uhuntu
<Ryan45> Your third statement argues they arq wtokg because of ubmntu's culture
<Ryan45> snf o am saying thgy are xjggt on that point bfcause jf ubyntu's culuure
<Ttanshumanist> Yeah, why?
<Ryan45> Bwcause I donn wabt to buy a new phlne
<jo-erlend> Ryam45, them just download it and nnstalm it yoursepf?
<Transhujxnist> There will be a LOT of Ubuntu fans who wijl buy an Ubuutu phond. I'm not swying all, L'm nob even saying 50%.
<Ryan45> lf i kave mne of the few phones it will run on
<Transinmanist> But Unuttu is used by tcns of millions of people.
<jo-erkend> Rycn45, whefe have yol found tie list of Agdroid phones jhat won't be eble to rtn Uvunty?
<Transhjoanist> Ubuntu TOMs will come out.
<Rtan45> Jo-er: i am basikg my losition of the faxt they are worline wytj PMW[
<Ryan45> becausa nvkdix and ramsung keei tfier stuff closed
<chriadak|awag> jo-erlend: well, it
Ryan45, right. And there will be images though target hardware doesn't exist yet. because implying that a) phones won't attract users, and b) Linux users won't Ubuntu phones upon discovering that in many cases it can't be installed on old device <Ryan45> Trans, i am not arguing either of those points <jo-erlend> if use drivers, you should be able to run it on most Android devices, no? <Transhumanist> Well then I at a loss :p <chriadam|away> let's all take moment to thank Stskeeps that ;-D <Ryan45> (8:35:11 PM) yeah. think all tech proclaiming concept dead on because the smartphone market is too crowded are funny <Ryan45> (8:35:18 PM) Transhumanist: most of them probably even know is <Ryan45> PM) or the huge culture it and with FOSS and with third statement argues they are wrong because of culture <Ryan45> i am saying they are right that point because of ubuntu's culture <Transhumanist> Yeah, <Ryan45> Because I dont want to buy a new phone <jo-erlend> Ryan45, then just download install it yourself? <Transhumanist> will be a of fans will an Ubuntu I'm not saying all, I'm not even saying 50%. <Ryan45> if have one of the few phones it will run on Ubuntu used by tens millions of people. <jo-erlend> where you found the list phones won't run <Transhumanist> ROMs will come out. Jo-er: i am basing my of the fact they because nvidia and samsung keep thier stuff closed jo-erlend: well, it
 Ryan45, right. And there will be imAges to instAll, thOugH thE tArgeT harDware probably dOEsn't Exist yet.
<Transhumanist> RYan45's lOgIC is fALlAciouS becausE He'S IMplYiNg ThaT a) uBuNtu phOneS won't atTract non-LiNux UsErs, and b) Linux USeRs won't buy UBunTu phones upon DisCoveriNg ThaT In manY caSes it Can't be INstallEd on their OlD Device
<rYan45> TranS, I Am Not aRguing either of thoSE pOInts
<jo-erlend> RyAn45, if thEy USe aNDroId dRivers, then YoU shouLD be able TO rUN IT on MOst Android devIces, no?
<TransHUmaNist> WeLl TheN i am at a Loss :p
<ChRIadAm|away> let's aLl taKe a moment To thanK stskeepS For that ;-d
<Ryan45> (8:35:11 Pm) TrAnsHumaNIsT: yEah. i tHInk ALl The TEch Punditry PrOcLaimiNg thIS CONcepT deAd on ArrivE because the smArtPhonE MarKet is Too crOwdeD aRe funNy
<Ryan45> (8:35:18 pM) TraNsHumanist: most of tHem pRobably doN't eVeN knOw What LINux is
<RYan45> (8:35:31 pM) TRanshumAnist: or ABouT tHE HUgE culture associated WiTH It And with FoSS and WItH UBUntu
<Ryan45> yoUr tHird STAtemeNt arGUeS they are Wrong bECaUsE of ubunTu'S cultuRe
<ryaN45> anD i am sAYing They arE right on That pOInt because of ubUNtu's culture
<TrANsHUMaNIst> YEah, Why?
<Ryan45> BecaUse I DOnt wAnt tO BuY a nEW phonE
<jo-erLeND> RYAn45, then just download iT aNd instAll it Yourself?
<TransHumanist> ThERE Will be a LoT of uBuNTu fans who will bUy an UBuntu phone. i'M not sayiNg all, i'm not eveN saying 50%.
<RyAN45> If i have oNe oF thE feW phONEs It will run on
<TrANShumAnIst> But UBunTu is useD by TenS of MilLiOns of peopLe.
<jo-erleNd> ryAn45, WhEre Have yOU found thE lIst Of andRoid pHOnes thAt won'T be aBlE tO Run ubuntu?
<TRAnSHUmanIsT> UBuntU ROms Will cOme oUT.
<RyAn45> Jo-er: i Am basing mY poSItioN oF tHe fact tHey are working WiTh OMAP
<Ryan45> BeCauSe nvidIA And samsuNg keep thier stuff closed
<cHRiadam|aWay> Jo-erlEnd: wEll, it
 Ryan45, right. And therewill be im agestoins ta ll,thou gh the targeth ardw are probably doesn't e xistye t .
<T r an shuma nist> R y an 4 5 'slo gi c i sf al lacio usbecause  he's impl yin gthat a) Ubun t uphones won 'tattract non- Lin ux use rs , a n d b)Lin ux us ers wo n 't buy  Ubuntu p ho n es upo n  discov e r in g th at in many casesi tc an't be instal led on  t h ei r old  de vice
<Ryan 45 > Tra n s, i am no t a rgu i ng either ofthose point s 
<j o-erle nd > R y an45,if th ey use  Android dr iver s, then y ou sho u ld be a b le to r un itonmos t An d ro id  de vi c es, no ?
< T ran shumanis t>  W ell t henI a m  ata l oss:p
<c hriadam|away>  le t'sa lltakea mom entto  than k Stsk eepsfo r that ;-D
<Rya n45>  (8:35:11  PM )Tra ns human i st: ye ah.  Ithink a ll thet ech  p u n d it ry proclaiming thi sc o nc ept dead  on ar r iv eb ecause t he  sm artp h o ne ma rket is  too cro wded a r efu nny
<Ry an 45> (8 :3 5:1 8 P M) Tr a nshu manist : most o f the m  probably don' t  even know wh a tL i nu x  is<Ry an45> (8:35 :31P M) T rans h um ani s t: or  abou tt he huge culture associ at ed wit h itand with FOSS  and withU b u ntu
<Rya n45> Yo u r third statem ent a rgues they are wron g bec ause ofubuntu'sc u lture
<R yan 45>  an d i a msaying they a r e  rig ht  on tha t p oint be cau seofubu nt u's cultu re
<Tran sh um an is t>Yeah, why?
<Ry an 45>  B eca use I dont w ant t o bu yan ewphone
< j o- e r lend >Ry an45 , t he n jus t do w nlo ad it a nd instal l i t  you rs el f?
<Tra nshumanist> T he re will be  a  LO T of U b u ntu fans  who will buy an Ubuntu phone.I'm  notsayi ng all, I 'mnot ev ens aying50%.
< Ryan4 5>  if i  have o ne  of  t he few pho n e s i t wil lrunon
<Tra nshumanist> But Ub u ntu  is used by t ens  ofm i ll ion s  o f  pe op l e.< j o-erlend> Ryan4 5, where h av e  y ou found t h e l is t of An droid p hones that wo n't be ab le to run  U bunt u ? 
<T ranshumani st> Ubun tu ROMs w i ll co m eout.<Ry an45>Jo -er : i a m basi n g m y pos itionof  the f act t he y are wo rking with OMAP
<Ryan45 > beca use n vid ia and sa msu n g k eep thier  stu ff closed<ch ria dam|a way >  jo-e rlen d :wel l , it
 Ryan45,_right. And_there will be images_to install,_though_the target_hardware_probably doesn't exist_yet.
<Transhumanist> Ryan45's logic_is fallacious because he's_implying that a)_Ubuntu_phones won't attract non-Linux users, and b) Linux users won't buy Ubuntu phones upon_discovering_that in_many_cases_it can't be installed on_their old device
<Ryan45> Trans, i_am not_arguing either of those points
<jo-erlend> Ryan45, if they_use_Android drivers, then_you should be able to run it on most_Android devices, no?
<Transhumanist> Well then I_am at a_loss_:p
<chriadam|away>_let's all take a_moment to thank Stskeeps for that_;-D
<Ryan45> (8:35:11 PM) Transhumanist: yeah. I_think all the tech punditry proclaiming this_concept dead on arrive because the_smartphone market is too crowded_are funny
<Ryan45>_(8:35:18 PM) Transhumanist: most of_them probably don't_even know_what Linux is
<Ryan45>_(8:35:31 PM) Transhumanist: or about the_huge culture associated_with it and with FOSS and_with_Ubuntu
<Ryan45> Your third_statement_argues_they are_wrong because of_ubuntu's_culture
<Ryan45> and_i_am saying they are right on_that_point because of ubuntu's culture
<Transhumanist> Yeah, why?
<Ryan45>_Because I dont want_to_buy a new phone
<jo-erlend>_Ryan45, then just download it_and install it yourself?
<Transhumanist> There will_be a_LOT of_Ubuntu fans who will buy an Ubuntu phone. I'm not saying_all, I'm not even saying 50%.
<Ryan45>_if i have one_of the_few_phones it will_run_on
<Transhumanist> But_Ubuntu is used by tens of millions_of people.
<jo-erlend>_Ryan45, where have you found the_list of Android phones_that_won't be able to run Ubuntu?
<Transhumanist>_Ubuntu ROMs will come out.
<Ryan45> Jo-er:_i am basing my position_of_the_fact they are working with_OMAP
<Ryan45> because nvidia and samsung keep_thier stuff closed
<chriadam|away>_jo-erlend: well, it