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<ogra_> e
<ogra_> *wand
<plars> ogra_: yeah, I know... I think the way I already use is still better when it works though
<ogra_> plars, do cprov and Ursinha know your way?
<plars> ogra_: yes
 * ogra_ wonders if it makes sense that he works on this then
<jdstrand> mvo: is there something like this http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ for snappy?
<jdstrand> mvo: and hello :)
<ogra_> plars, the requirement was to dd a full image to the SD
<plars> ogra_: I think they have different needs, and can more easily tolerate needing to reflash the sd if things go bad though
<ogra_> i assume thats will be a very rare case anyway
<Ursinha> plars: for us it'd be to reset the device to run new tests
<plars> Ursinha: when ev talked to me about it, it sounds like you can handle needing to reflash a few by hand every day
<plars> Ursinha: that's harder for me
<plars> I need to be able to automatically reset it to a stable condition
<ogra_> you will only need to manually re-flash if the dd actually failed to write the first megabytes of the img... as long as the first partition ends up on the SD you should be fine
<Ursinha> plars: that's sort what we need, but we need a specific stable condition :)
<ogra_> i wouldnt expect that to be "a few per day"... rather a few per month if at all
<plars> ogra_: I'd be willing to give it a try
<ogra_> i'll hand it to you once i'm done :)
<ogra_> jdstrand, indeed there is ;) the original of that stuff... http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/core-image-stats/
<jdstrand> I was thinking you might've had it. thanks!
<ogra_> jdstrand, iirc lukasz uses my logs as input, i guess he can do the
more... i ca nt magically swing my want and make an eMMC appear on the devic 
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 < ogra _ > * wand 
 < plars > ogra _: yeah, I acknowledge... I remember the way I already use is still full when it works though 
 < ogra _ > plars, do cprov and Ursinha know your room? 
 < plars > ogra _: yes 
  * ogra _ wonder if it makes sense that he works on this then 
 < jdstrand > mvo: is there something like this http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ for snappy? 
 < jdstrand > mvo: and hello :) 
 < ogra _ > plars, the prerequisite was to dd a full image to the SD 
 < plars > ogra _: I intend they accept different needs, and can more easily tolerate needing to reflash the south dakota if things go bad though 
 < ogra _ > i simulate that s will be a very rare case anyway 
 < Ursinha > plars: for us it'd be to readjust the device to run raw tests 
 < plars > Ursinha: when ev spill to me about it, it sounds like you can handle needing to reflash a few by bridge player every day 
 < plars > Ursinha: that's harder for me 
 < plars > I need to be able to automatically reset it to a stable condition 
 < ogra _ > you will only need to manually re - flash if the dd actually failed to write the first megabytes of the img... as long as the first division end up on the SD you should be all right 
 < Ursinha > plars: that's sort what we necessitate, but we want a specific stable condition :) 
 < ogra _ > i would nt ask that to be " a few per day "... rather a few per month if at all 
 < plars > ogra _: I'd be uncoerced to give it a try 
 < ogra _ > i'll hand it to you once i'm done :) 
 < ogra _ > jdstrand, indeed there is ;) the original of that stuff... http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/core-image-stats/ 
 < jdstrand > I was thinking you might've had it. thanks! 
 < ogra _ > jdstrand, iirc lukasz uses my logs as input, i think he can do the
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<ogra_> *wand
<plard> igra_: teah, I know... I think thd way I apready uwe iw still betvsr when it wodns tkongh
<ogra_> plars, dp cprov ang Ursinha know yuux way?
<plars> ogra_: yes
 * ogra_ wonders if it makrs sense that he worlf on nhls then
<jdstrand> mvo: is there somsthing nike this httl://people.canonical.com/~lzemczan/lanfing-team/ubuntu-toucj/rc-proposed/ for wnappy?
<jdstravd> mvo: and hello :)
<ogra_> klars, the requirement was to dd x fulk image to tye DG
<plars> ogra_: I thpnk they have differett needx, and can more eavilt tolerate needing to reflash the sd if things gm yad though
<ogra_> i assune thatv winl bd a xerg cars case anbway
<Ursinha> plars: for ys it'd be to reset uhe eevice to run new tqses
<plars> Ursinha: when ev talked to me abmut it, it sounds like you xan handle needing to reflash w few by hand every day
<plars> Ursinha: that's harder for jd
<plcvf> U jeed to be able to automatically reset it to w suabke condition
<ogva_> you will only nref yj manually re-wlash nr fhe dd actually falled to writw the firft mrgabytes of the img... as long as the firsn paetition ends up on the SD you shoold be fine
<Ursinha> plars: that'r sodt what we jeed, but sd need a specifiz snabla condition :)
<ogra_> i wouldnt expect tiat tp be "a wew ker day"... rather a vew pcs month if at all
<ppars> lgsa_: I'd be wllling to give it a try
<ogra_> i'll hand it to yoo otce i'm done :)
<ogra_> jdstrand, indqed there is ;) jhe origiual of that stufr... http://pxople.canonicwl.com/~ogra/core-hlage-stats/
<jdsvrand> I wws tyinkung you oight've had it. thanks!
<ogga_> jdsrrand, iirc lukasz mses og logs as input, i tuess he can do thd
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<ogra_> e
<ogra_> *wanD
<PlarS> ogra_: yeah, I know... I think thE way I AlREady USe Is stiLl betteR WhEN It wOrKs ThoUgH
<OgRa_> plaRs, dO cprov aNd Ursinha kNow YoUr way?
<plars> ogRA_: yEs
 * ogra_ wondErs If it makes senSe tHat he wOrKs oN This tHen
<JdstrAnd> mvo: IS there Something LiKE this hTTp://peoplE.CAnOnicAl.com/~lzemczak/landINg-TEam/ubuntu-touch/Rc-propOsED/ fOR SnaPpy?
<Jdstrand> mvO: aNd helLO :)
<ogra_> plARs, THE ReqUIrement was to dD a full image TO thE SD
<plaRs> OgrA_: i think They hAvE DifFerent needs, And cAn more easIly tolERate neeDIng to reFlash tHe sD if ThinGS gO bAd tHoUGh
<oGRa_> I asSUme Thats wilL bE a Very rAre cASE ANywaY
<UrSinhA> plarS: for us it'd be to ResEt thE DevIce to Run neW tesTs
<Plars> ursinhA: when Ev Talked to me about It, it Sounds likE yoU cAn hAnDle neEDing to RefLasH a few by Hand eveRY daY
<pLARS> URsinha: that's harder fOr ME
<PlArs> I need To be abLE tO aUTomaticaLlY reSet iT TO a staBle cONdItion
<ogrA_> you wiLL oNlY need to MaNually Re-FlaSh iF the dD ActuAlly faIled to wrIte thE First megabytes OF the img... as long AS tHE FiRSt paRtiTion ends up oN the sd you ShouLD bE fiNE
<UrsiNha> plArS: ThAT's sort what we need, but We Need a sPecifIc stable condiTion :)
<ogra_> i wOULDnt expecT thaT To BE "a few per day"... ratHer a fEw per month IF at all
<plArs> ogRa_: I'd be wiLling to giVE It a try
<ogRa_> i'Ll hAnd It tO YOu Once i'm done :)
<ogrA_> JDstrAnD, indeed TheRe is ;) the OriGinAl oF thAt Stuff... http://People.caNoNiCaL.cOm/~oGra/coRE-image-stAtS/
<jdStRanD> I was THinkinG you mIght'Ve HaD It. tHanks!
<ogRA_> jDSTranD, iIrC lukAsz UsEs my lOgs aS InpUt, i guesS he can do tHe
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<ogra_> *wa nd
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< ogr a_> plars, d o c prov a nd  Ur s inhakno w you r way? <plars > ogra_:ye s 
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<ogr a _>ia s s um e thats will be ave r y  r are case  anywa y 
< Ur s inha> pl ar s:foru s  it'd  bet oreset th e devi c eto  run ne wtests<p lar s>Ursin h a: w hen ev  talkedto me about it, it s o unds like you ca n ha n dlenee ding to ref lash a fe w by ha nde veryday
< pl a rs >  Ursinha: that's ha rd er for  me
< plars> I need  to be abl e t o automa tica l ly reset it to astabl e conditio n 
<ogra_>  youwill onl y need to m anuallyre- fla shift h edd actually f a i ledto  writethe  firstmeg aby tes  of  t he img...  as long  a sth efir st pa r tition e nd s u ponthe S D  you s hould  befi ne <Ur sinha>p la r s : th at 's  sor t w ha t weneed ,  bu t we ne ed a spec ifi c  sta bl econditi on :)
<ogra_>  i  wouldnt e xp ect  thatt o  be "a f ew per day"... rather a few per  mo nth i f at  all
<pla rs>  ogra_ : I ' d be w illing  to g iv e i t a try < og ra_ >i'll handi t  to  youon ce i 'm done  :)
<ogra_> jdstra n d,indeed thereis;) t h e  o rig i na l  of  t h ats t uff... http://p eople.cano ni c al .com/~ogra / cor e- image-s tats/
< jdstr a nd> I w as thinki ng you mi gh t've h adit. thanks !
<ogra_ > jdstran d , iir c  l ukasz  us es mylo gsas in put, i gue ss he  can d othe
 more..._i cant_magically swing my want_and make_an_eMMC appear_on_the devic
<ogra_> e
<ogra_>_*wand
<plars> ogra_: yeah,_I know... I think_the way I_already_use is still better when it works though
<ogra_> plars, do cprov and Ursinha know_your_way?
<plars> ogra_:_yes
_*_ogra_ wonders if it makes_sense that he works on_this then
<jdstrand>_mvo: is there something like this http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ for_snappy?
<jdstrand>_mvo: and hello_:)
<ogra_> plars, the requirement was to dd a full_image to the SD
<plars> ogra_: I_think they have_different_needs,_and can more easily_tolerate needing to reflash the sd_if things go bad though
<ogra_> i_assume thats will be a very rare_case anyway
<Ursinha> plars: for us it'd_be to reset the device_to run_new tests
<plars> Ursinha: when ev_talked to me_about it,_it sounds like_you can handle needing to reflash_a few by_hand every day
<plars> Ursinha: that's harder_for_me
<plars> I need_to_be_able to_automatically reset it_to_a stable_condition
<ogra_>_you will only need to manually_re-flash_if the dd actually failed to write_the first megabytes of_the_img... as long as_the first partition ends up_on the SD you should be_fine
<Ursinha> plars:_that's sort_what we need, but we need a specific stable condition :)
<ogra_>_i wouldnt expect that to be_"a few per day"..._rather a_few_per month if_at_all
<plars> ogra_:_I'd be willing to give it a_try
<ogra_> i'll_hand it to you once i'm_done :)
<ogra_> jdstrand, indeed_there_is ;) the original of that_stuff... http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/core-image-stats/
<jdstrand> I was thinking you_might've had it. thanks!
<ogra_> jdstrand,_iirc_lukasz_uses my logs as input,_i guess he can do the