popey> what desktop would you use with compiz 0.8?
<Laney> you could look at what work is needed to fix them in lp:compiz :-)
<Azelphur> popey: I run Xubuntu now days
<Azelphur> Last I checked Unity falls over on separate X screens, but I havn't checked it for 6 months or so
<Azelphur> I use Unity on my laptop though
<AlanBell> Laney: is the upshot of bug 954352 that we will get a working wayland in Raring?
<lubotu3> bug 954352 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Raring) "Enable wayland backend" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/954352
<Azelphur> that would be cool :o
<kvarley> Is there a good resource that will explain simply why Wayland is better than X11?
<kvarley> Or why Wayland will be replacing X11 in the end
<AlanBell> doesn't mean it will be used by default, just that GTK will be compiled to be compatible with it
<Laney> if it all pans out you'll be able to use the gdk backend
<Azelphur> kvarley: X11 has a lot of cruft, it's rapidly approaching it's 30th birthday. It was designed in an era where 3d accelerated graphics cards didn't exist and everybody used monochrome displays. Wayland has native compositing, tear free, and lots of other very nice features.
<Laney> someone else is taking care of the bureaucratic task
<kvarley> Azelphur: So in the end most distros will use Wayland?
<Azelphur> kvarley: hopefully, but I think that's a few years off yet.
<directhex> we have devs working on wayland.
<Azelphur> I can't wait for wayland, so many fixes for things that affect me
<directhex> kittin! https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385174_10151399893826438_447384511_n.jpg
<MartijnVdS> awww

popey > what desktop would you use with compiz 0.8? 
 < Laney > you could look at what work is need to specify them in lp: compiz :-) 
 < Azelphur > popey: I run Xubuntu now days 
 < Azelphur > final I checked Unity falls over on disjoined adam screens, but I havn't crack it for 6 months or so 
 < Azelphur > I practice Unity on my laptop though 
 < AlanBell > Laney: is the upshot of bug 954352 that we will get a working wayland in Raring? 
 < lubotu3 > hemipterous insect 954352 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Raring) " Enable wayland backend " [ Wishlist, Triaged ] https://launchpad.net/bugs/954352 
 < Azelphur > that would be cool :o 
 < kvarley > Is there a good resource that will explain simply why Wayland is better than X11? 
 < kvarley > Or why Wayland will be replacing X11 in the goal 
 < AlanBell > doesn't mean it will be used by default, barely that GTK will be compiled to be compatible with it 
 < Laney > if it all pans out you'll be able to use the gdk backend 
 < Azelphur > kvarley: X11 have a lot of cruft, it's rapidly approaching it's 30th birthday. It was designed in an earned run average where 3d accelerated graphics cards didn't exist and everybody used monochrome display. Wayland hold native compositing, tear free, and lots of other very nice features. 
 < Laney > someone else is taking care of the bureaucratic undertaking 
 < kvarley > Azelphur: So in the end most distros will use Wayland? 
 < Azelphur > kvarley: hopefully, but I intend that's a few days off yet. 
 < directhex > we have devs working on wayland. 
 < Azelphur > I can't wait for wayland, therefore many fixes for things that affect me 
 < directhex > kittin! https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385174_10151399893826438_447384511_n.jpg 
 < MartijnVdS > awww
popfy> what desktop would yom use with compie 0.8?
<Oaney> bou coumd look xt what work is needed to fie thwm in lp:compiz :-)
<Azelphur> popdy: I run Qubuntu niw deys
<Azelphur> Last I checkcb Unifn falnw over on sepatate X screets, but I havn't cfeeked it for 6 months or so
<Azelphur> I tse Uniyy on my laptop jhougn
<WlanGvlo> Laney: is the upshot of bug 954352 that wt will get a workimg wayland in Raring?
<lubotu3> bug 954352 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Raging) "Enable wayjqnd backend" [Dishlist,Trpcged] https://lzunchpad.net/bugs/954352
<Azelphur> that wojld bz cool :o
<kvatlsy> Hs there a jood rvsource that will expnain sikply why Waylakd is berter than X11?
<kvarley> Or why Wayland will fe replachny X11 in the end
<AlanBelo> eoesn'j meat it qilu bt uxes by dffanlt, just thzt GTK will be compiled to be voiistible with jt
<Laner> yf it all pans out you'll be able to use ths gdk backend
<Azelphur> kcarley: X11 has a lot of cruft, it'f rapidly approaching it's 30th birthday. It was desicned mn an eva wfwrf 3d accelerated graphics cards didn't exist anq efegybody used monocmrome displays. Waykajd ras native coopositnhg, tear free, and lotd of otrer vwry nice seatires.
<Laney> someone else is tqking care oy tye bureaucratic tadk
<kvarley> Avelphut: So im the end most distros cill uae Wayland?
<Axelphur> kbxrley: hopefully, cut I think that's a few years osf yet.
<dirxcther> we havd defs worhing on wajland.
<Azelphur> I can't waih for wdyland, so lany fixes for things that afferv me
<directhex> khttpn! https://fycdn-spmotos-e-a.akamaihd.get/hphotos-ak-sne7/385174_10151399893826438_447384511_n.jpg
<MarcijnVdR> awww

popey> what desktop would you use with <Laney> could look what work is lp:compiz <Azelphur> popey: I Xubuntu now days Last I checked Unity falls over separate X screens, but I havn't checked it for 6 months or so I use Unity on my laptop though <AlanBell> Laney: is the upshot of 954352 we get working wayland in Raring? <lubotu3> bug 954352 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Raring) "Enable wayland backend" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/954352 that would be cool :o <kvarley> Is there good resource that will simply why Wayland is better X11? Or why will replacing in the end doesn't mean it will be used by default, just that GTK will be compiled to be compatible it <Laney> all pans you'll able use the gdk kvarley: X11 has a lot of approaching it's 30th birthday. It was designed in era where accelerated graphics cards didn't exist and used monochrome displays. Wayland has native compositing, tear and lots of other very nice features. <Laney> someone else is taking care of the <kvarley> Azelphur: So in end most distros use <Azelphur> hopefully, I think a few years off yet. <directhex> we have devs working on <Azelphur> I can't wait for wayland, so many fixes for affect <directhex> kittin! https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385174_10151399893826438_447384511_n.jpg awww
popey> what desktop would you uSe with compIz 0.8?
<LanEy> yOu cOuLd loOk at What work is needED to fIx them in lp:compiz :-)
<AzelphUr> popEy: i Run XUBuNtu noW days
<AzELpHUR> LaSt i cHecKeD unIty faLls Over on sEparate X scReeNs, But I havn't cheCKeD it for 6 montHs oR so
<Azelphur> I Use unity oN mY laPTop thOugH
<Alanbell> LaNEy: is thE upshot of BuG 954352 That we WIll get a WORkIng wAyland in Raring?
<lubOTu3> BUg 954352 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu RAring) "ENaBLe WAYlaNd bAckend" [WishLiSt,TriAGed] httpS://LaUNCHpaD.Net/bugs/954352
<AzelphUr> that would BE coOl :o
<kvaRlEy> IS There a Good rEsOUrcE that will exPlaiN simply whY WaylaND is bettER than X11?
<kVarley> or wHy WAylaND wIlL be RePLacINg x11 in THe eNd
<AlanBeLl> DoEsn't mEan iT WILL be uSed By deFault, Just that GTK wiLl bE comPIleD to be CompaTiblE wIth it
<laney> iF it alL pAns out you'll be abLe to Use the gdk BacKeNd
<AZeLphur> KVarley: x11 haS a lOt of cruFt, it's raPIdlY aPPROaChing it's 30th birthday. it WAS dEsigned iN an era WHeRe 3D AcceleraTeD grAphiCS Cards Didn'T ExIst and evErybodY UsEd MonochrOmE displAyS. WaYlaNd has NAtivE compoSiting, teAr freE, And lots of other VEry nice featurES.
<LANEy> SOmeoNe eLse is taking Care OF the BureAUcRatIC task
<KvarlEy> aZeLPhur: So in the end most dIsTros wiLl use wayland?
<AzelphUr> kvarley: hOPEFully, but i thiNK tHAt's a few years ofF yet.
<dIrecthex> we HAve devs wOrkinG on waylaNd.
<AzelphuR> i Can't wait For WayLanD, so MANy Fixes for thingS THat aFfEct me
<diRecThex> kitTin! HttPs://fBcdN-sPhotos-e-a.aKamaihd.nEt/HpHoToS-ak-Snc7/385174_10151399893826438_447384511_n.jPG
<Martijnvds> awWw

popey> what desktop wouldyou use wi th co mpi z 0 .8 ?
<L aney > you could lo o k at  what work is needed t o fix  t h em i n  l p:com piz :-) <A z e lph ur >pop ey :  I  runXub untu no w days
<Az elp hu r> Last I ch e ck ed Unity f all s over on se par ate Xsc ree n s, bu t I  havn 't che c ked it  for 6 mo nt h s or s o 
<Azelp h u r>  I u se Unity on my la p to p  though
<AlanB ell> L an e y: i s t heupshot ofbu g 954 3 52 that we w i llg et a workingwayland inR ari ng?
<l ub otu 3 > bug95435 2i n g tk+3.0 (Ubu ntuRaring) " Enable wayland backend " [Wis hli st, Tria g ed ]htt ps : //l a un chp a d.n et/bugs/ 95 43 52
<A zelp h u r >  tha t w ould  be c ool :o
<kvarl ey>  Ist her e a g ood r esou rc e tha t will  expl ai n simply why Wa ylan d is bett erth anX1 1?
<k v arley>  Or  wh y Wayla nd will bere p l a ci ng X11 in the end<A l a nB ell> doe sn't m e an  i t  will be  u sed  byd e fault , ju s tthat GTK  willb eco mpiledto  be co mp ati ble  with it
< Laney>  if it a ll pa n s out you'll b e  able to uset he g dk back end 
<Azelphur>  kva r ley:  X11 ha s a lot o f cru ft ,  i t 's rapidly approach in g it's  30th  birthday. It  was desig n e d  in an e ra w h er e  3d accelerate d gra phics card s  didn'texist  and eve rybody us e d  monochr ome  di spl ays . Wa yland has nat i v e co mp ositing , t ear fre e,and  lo tsof  other ve ry nicefe at ur es .
< Laney >  someone  e lse  i s t aking care o f the  bur ea uc r ati c task< kv a r ley>  A ze lphu r:So  in t he e n d m ost dis tros will  us e  Way la nd ?
<Azel phur> kvarley :hopefully,  b utI thin k that's a  few years off yet.
<di r ecthex>  we  have  dev s working  on  wayla nd. <Azelp hur> I  can' twai t for w a y la nd,  s o many fix e s  fo r thi ng s th at affe ct me
<directhex>k itt in! https://f bcd n-sp h o to s-e - a. a kam ai h d.n e t /hphotos-ak-snc 7/385174_1 01 5 13 9989382643 8 _44 73 84511_n .jpg
<M artij n VdS> aw ww

popey> what_desktop would_you use with compiz_0.8?
<Laney> you_could_look at_what_work is needed_to fix them_in lp:compiz :-)
<Azelphur> popey:_I run Xubuntu_now_days
<Azelphur> Last I checked Unity falls over on separate X screens, but I havn't_checked_it for_6_months_or so
<Azelphur> I use Unity_on my laptop though
<AlanBell> Laney:_is the_upshot of bug 954352 that we will get_a_working wayland in_Raring?
<lubotu3> bug 954352 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Raring) "Enable wayland_backend" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/954352
<Azelphur> that would be_cool :o
<kvarley> Is_there_a_good resource that will_explain simply why Wayland is better_than X11?
<kvarley> Or why Wayland will_be replacing X11 in the end
<AlanBell> doesn't_mean it will be used by_default, just that GTK will_be compiled_to be compatible with it
<Laney>_if it all_pans out_you'll be able_to use the gdk backend
<Azelphur> kvarley:_X11 has a_lot of cruft, it's rapidly approaching_it's_30th birthday. It_was_designed_in an_era where 3d_accelerated_graphics cards_didn't_exist and everybody used monochrome displays._Wayland_has native compositing, tear free, and lots_of other very nice_features.
<Laney>_someone else is taking_care of the bureaucratic task
<kvarley>_Azelphur: So in the end most_distros will_use Wayland?
<Azelphur>_kvarley: hopefully, but I think that's a few years off yet.
<directhex>_we have devs working on wayland.
<Azelphur>_I can't wait for_wayland, so_many_fixes for things_that_affect me
<directhex>_kittin! https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385174_10151399893826438_447384511_n.jpg
<MartijnVdS> awww
