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<Paladine> Charter!= Law
<Paladine> a Charter doesnt override law either
<Paladine> so if their charter is incompatible with law they need to chaneg their charter
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: except they won't get subsidies if they can't prove they're doing their work
<ali1234> yeah, instead of having tracking cookies, they could just shut down instead
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: and then we wouldn't have public broadcasting anymore
<ali1234> they would be within the law
<Paladine> you can argue the point as much as you like, their charter doesn't override law, same as BBC's charter doesnt
<Paladine> if their charter is incompatible with law they need to change it
<penguin42> hmm impressive change in weather over night
<ali1234> if the law is incompatible with reality they need to change it
<Paladine> I will have a chat with Jacob Kohnstamm about it
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: they can't change their own charter
<brobostigon> penguin42: that was yesterday, sun and gradual daytime increase in temperature.
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: Dutch public broadcasting is.. weird
<Paladine> ali, if you dont like the law you are free to lobby to change it, that is the wonderful thing about democracy
<Paladine> if you dont want to lobby to change it then dont complain about it
<ali1234> tat's bullshit
<ali1234> sorry but it is
<ali1234> you're saying that anyone who can get a law passed automatically justifies that law as correct
<MartijnVdS> The Germans tried that years ago
<penguin42> brobostigon: I think it actually his something like 7c last night, but down to 3c here now - all the snow's gone
<Paladine> yeah it is soo much bullshit, that is why despite corporate lobby pumping millions of euros into lobbying against 5(3) changes, we still managed to have the law changed without any resources, just through democracy....such bullshit that
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: next time, have it changed in a less idiotic way
<brobostigon> penguin42
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 < Paladine > Charter!= Law 
 < Paladine > a Charter does nt override law either 
 < Paladine > therefore if their charter is contrastive with law they need to chaneg their charter 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: except they won't get subsidy if they can't prove they're doing their work 
 < ali1234 > yeah, alternatively of having tracking cookie, they could just shut down rather 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: and then we wouldn't have public broadcasting anymore 
 < ali1234 > they would be within the police 
 < Paladine > you can argue the distributor point as much as you like, their charter doesn't override law, like as BBC's charter does nt 
 < Paladine > if their charter is incompatible with law they need to exchange it 
 < penguin42 > hmm impressive change in weather over night 
 < ali1234 > if the jurisprudence is incompatible with world they need to deepen it 
 < Paladine > I will have a chat with Jacob Kohnstamm about it 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: they can't change their own charter 
 < brobostigon > penguin42: that was yesterday, sunlight and gradual daytime increase in temperature. 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: Dutch public broadcasting is.. weird 
 < Paladine > ali, if you do nt like the law you are free to lobby to change it, that is the wonderful thing about democracy 
 < Paladine > if you do nt want to lobby to change it then do nt complain about it 
 < ali1234 > tat's bullshit 
 < ali1234 > sorry but it is 
 < ali1234 > you're saying that anyone who can get a law passed automatically justifies that jurisprudence as correct 
 < MartijnVdS > The Germans tried that class ago 
 < penguin42 > brobostigon: I think it actually his something like 7c last night, but down to 3c here now - all the coke's gone 
 < Paladine > yeah it is soo much bullshit, that is why despite bodied lobby pumping millions of euro into lobbying against 5(3) changes, we still managed to have the law change without any resources, just through democracy.... such bullshit that 
 < MartijnVdS > Paladine: next time, have it changed in a less crackbrained way 
 < brobostigon > penguin42
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<Paladine> Chartec!= Law
<Pamadine> a Charter doesnt override law euther
<Kcladine> so if their zharter id incompqtibow with law they necb to dmaneg vheir charter
<MattijnVdS> Palddine: except tveh con't get subsidies if they can't provq they'rr foing their wotk
<ali1234> reah, pnwtead of having tracking cookjes, thej could just shut down instead
<MartijnVdS> Papadije: and then we woupdn't have poglis broadcastine anymore
<ali1234> they wouls be within the law
<Paladine> you can crgue the piibt wv much as yiu lihe, their chavner doevn't ovetride law, same as BBX's charter doesnt
<Palavine> if their chartet is incom[acible with law they nwee to whance ig
<peneuih42> imm impredsite change ih weather ocer night
<ali1234> if the lwq is incompatjble wytr reality they need to change it
<Paladint> I wjll have a chat with Jaxob Kohnstamm about ij
<MartijnVdF> Paladine: they can't change their own charter
<brobmstigkv> ptnnmin42: gyah was yesterday, sun and gradual daytime increwae ik temperature.
<MarbijnVdS> Paladine: Ditfh kublic broadcarting na.. seird
<Paladine> ali, lf you qont oike the jaw uou are free to lobby to chqnge it, that us the wonderful tking about dzmocravy
<Palsdine> if you dont want co lobgy to changf it then aont complain abuut id
<ali1234> tat's bullshit
<ali1234> sorrr but it ms
<ali1234> you're rayimg thae anyone wjo cak get a law passed wutomcticanly justifles that law as correct
<MartijnVvX> The Germanx drivd that yzars ano
<penguin42> broboftigon: I think it actbally fis somethpng like 7r last night, but down to 3w here now - anl the sgow's gonw
<Paladivd> yeah it is spo much blljshir, that is why desplte cudporate lobby pbokibg millions of eufos ijtp jmbbying agaitst 5(3) chxmges, de still makagdd tp have the law changad wjthout any resourcrs, just thtough demjcracy....such buklshit that
<MartijnGdS> Peladinx: next tiie, have it changed in a less isiotic waj
<brjbostigon> pegguik42
's reaching, related demographic data <Paladine> Charter!= a doesnt override either <Paladine> so with they need to their charter <MartijnVdS> except they won't get subsidies if can't prove they're doing their work <ali1234> yeah, instead of having tracking cookies, could just shut down instead <MartijnVdS> Paladine: and then we wouldn't have public anymore they be the law <Paladine> you can argue the point as much as you like, their charter doesn't law, same as BBC's charter doesnt <Paladine> if charter is incompatible with they need to change it hmm change in over <ali1234> the law is with reality they need to change it <Paladine> I will have a chat with Jacob Kohnstamm about <MartijnVdS> Paladine: change their charter penguin42: was yesterday, sun daytime increase in temperature. <MartijnVdS> Paladine: is.. weird <Paladine> ali, if you dont like law you free to lobby to change it, is the wonderful thing about democracy <Paladine> if dont want to lobby to change it then dont complain about it <ali1234> tat's bullshit but it is <ali1234> saying that anyone can a passed justifies that as correct <MartijnVdS> The Germans tried that years ago <penguin42> brobostigon: think it actually his something like 7c last night, but 3c now - all snow's gone <Paladine> yeah is much bullshit, that is corporate pumping into against changes, we still managed have the law changed without resources, just through democracy....such time, have it changed in a less idiotic <brobostigon> penguin42
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<PalaDine> CHarTer!= laW
<PalAdinE> a Charter doesnT OverRide law either
<Paladine> sO if thEiR CharTEr Is incOmpatibLE wITH laW tHeY neEd TO cHaneg TheIr chartEr
<MartijnVDS> PAlAdine: except tHEy Won't get subSidIes if they can'T prOve theY'rE doINg theIr wOrk
<alI1234> yeah, iNStead oF having trAcKIng cooKIes, they COUlD jusT shut down instead
<MARtIJnVdS> Paladine: aNd then We WOuLDN't hAve Public broaDcAstinG Anymore
<ALi1234> THEY woULd be within the Law
<Paladine> YOu cAn arguE tHe pOInt as mUch as YoU LikE, their chartEr doEsn't overrIde law, SAme as BBc'S charteR doesnT
<PaLadIne> iF ThEiR chArTEr iS InComPAtiBle with lAw ThEy neeD to cHANGE it
<pEngUin42> hMm impRessive change In wEathER ovEr nigHt
<ali1234> If thE lAw is iNcompaTible WiTh reality they neEd to Change it
<PAlaDiNe> I WiLl havE A chat wIth jacOb KohnsTamm aboUT it
<maRTIJnvdS> Paladine: they can'T cHANgE their owN chartER
<bRoBOstigon> pEnGuiN42: thaT WAs yesTerdAY, sUn and graDual daYTiMe IncreasE iN tempeRaTurE.
<MaRtijnvDS> PaLadine: dutch pubLic brOAdcasting is.. weiRD
<Paladine> ali, iF YoU DOnT Like The Law you are frEe to LObby To chANgE it, THat is The woNdERfUL thing about democracY
<PAladinE> if yoU dont want to loBby to changE IT Then dont CompLAiN About it
<ali1234> tat's BullsHit
<ali1234> sorrY But it is
<aLi1234> you'Re saying That anyonE WHo can get A laW paSseD auTOMaTically justifIES thaT lAw as corRecT
<MartijNVds> ThE GeRmaNs Tried that Years ago
<PeNgUiN42> bRobOstigON: I think iT aCtuAlLy hIs somEThing lIke 7c lAst nIgHt, BUt dOwn to 3c hERe NOW - all ThE sNow's GonE
<PAladiNe> yeAH it Is soo muCh bullshiT, thAT is wHy DeSpite coRporate lobby pUmPing millioNs Of eUros inTO Lobbying Against 5(3) changes, we still maNAged to hAve The laW chaNged withoUt aNy resoUrcES, just tHrough DemocRaCy....sUCH bullSHIt ThaT
<MArtijnVdS> PALAdiNe: nexT tIme, hAve it chAnged in a less idiotiC Way
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<Pa lad ine >Char ter! = Law
<Paladin e > aCharter doesnt overrid e law  e i ther <P aladi ne> soi ft h eir  c ha rte ri sincom pat ible wi th law the y n ee d to chanegt he ir charter 
<M artijnVdS> P ala dine:ex cep t  they  wo n't g et sub s idiesif they c an ' t prov e  they'r e do ingtheir work
<ali12 3 4> yeah, insteadof hav in g  t r a cki ngcookies, t he y cou l d justs hu t d own instead
<Mart ijnVdS> Pal a din e: and  t hen we wou ldn't  h a vepublic broa dcas ting anym ore
<a l i1234>t hey wou ld bewit hin  the la w<Pa la d ine >  y ouc anargue th epo int a s mu c h a s yo u l ike,  thei r charter doe sn' t ov e rri de la w, sa me a sBBC's  chart er do es nt
<Paladine> i f th eir chart eris  in co mpati b le wit h l awthey ne ed to c h ang ei t <p enguin42> hmm impr es s i ve  changein wea t he ro ver nigh t<al i123 4 >  if t he l a wis incom patibl e  w it h reali ty  theyne edtochang e  it<Palad ine> I w ill h a ve a chat with Jacob Kohnsta m ma b ou t  it<Ma rtijnVdS> P alad i ne:they ca n't chang e the ir ow n  charter
<brobostig on > peng uin42 : that was ye sterday, s u n and grad uald ay t ime increase i n tem perature.< MartijnV dS> P aladine:  Dutch pu b l ic broad cas tin g i s.. w ei rd
<Paladine> a li,if  you do ntlike th e l awyou  ar efree to l obby toch an ge  i t,thati s the wo nd erf ul  th ing a b out de mocra cy
< Pa la d ine > if yo u  d o n t wa nt  t o lo bby  t o cha ngei t t hen don t complai n a b outit 
< ali1234 > tat's bulls hi t
<ali1234 >sor ry but i t is
<al i1234> you're saying th a t anyon e w ho ca n ge t a law p ass ed aut oma t ically  justi fiesth atl a w asc o rr ect 
< MartijnVdS > The  Germ an s tr ied tha t years ago
<pengu i n42 > brobostigon : I  thi n k  i t a c tu a lly  h i s s o m ething like 7clast night ,b ut  down to 3 c  he re  now -all the  snow ' s gone<Paladine > yeah it  i s so o muc h bullshit , that i s why des p ite c o rp orate  lo bby pu mp ing  mill ions o f  eu ros i nto lo bb ying a gains t5(3) cha nges, we still managedto hav e the  la w changed  wi t hou t any res ourc es, just t hro ugh  demo cra c y.... such bu lls h it th at
< M artijnVdS >  P ala d i ne : next time , h ave  it c han g ed ina le ss idiotic way
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<Paladine> Charter!= Law
<Paladine> a_Charter doesnt_override_law either
<Paladine>_so_if their charter_is incompatible with_law they need to_chaneg their charter
<MartijnVdS>_Paladine:_except they won't get subsidies if they can't prove they're doing their work
<ali1234> yeah,_instead_of having_tracking_cookies,_they could just shut down_instead
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: and then we_wouldn't have_public broadcasting anymore
<ali1234> they would be within the_law
<Paladine>_you can argue_the point as much as you like, their charter_doesn't override law, same as BBC's_charter doesnt
<Paladine> if_their_charter_is incompatible with law_they need to change it
<penguin42> hmm_impressive change in weather over night
<ali1234>_if the law is incompatible with reality_they need to change it
<Paladine> I_will have a chat with_Jacob Kohnstamm_about it
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: they can't_change their own_charter
<brobostigon> penguin42:_that was yesterday,_sun and gradual daytime increase in_temperature.
<MartijnVdS> Paladine: Dutch_public broadcasting is.. weird
<Paladine> ali, if_you_dont like the_law_you_are free_to lobby to_change_it, that_is_the wonderful thing about democracy
<Paladine> if_you_dont want to lobby to change it_then dont complain about_it
<ali1234>_tat's bullshit
<ali1234> sorry but_it is
<ali1234> you're saying that_anyone who can get a law_passed automatically_justifies that_law as correct
<MartijnVdS> The Germans tried that years ago
<penguin42> brobostigon: I_think it actually his something like_7c last night, but_down to_3c_here now -_all_the snow's_gone
<Paladine> yeah it is soo much bullshit,_that is_why despite corporate lobby pumping millions_of euros into lobbying_against_5(3) changes, we still managed to_have the law changed without any_resources, just through democracy....such bullshit_that
<MartijnVdS>_Paladine:_next time, have it changed_in a less idiotic way
<brobostigon> penguin42