 that" use case
<gordonjcp> press alt-f2, type "gnome-terminal", wait for 30 seconds or so until it finishes searching, click on the gnome-terminal icon, and it starts gnome-calculator
<AlanBell> actually the "I think it is called opti or something like that" use case. "Options" won't work
<mgdm_> AlanBell: hmmmm
<gordonjcp> I really just want alt-f2 to work the way it did in Gnome 2, or XFCE, or if you're using lxpanel
<mgdm_> AlanBell: what about typing 'Preferences' when the app calls it 'Options', or vice-versa?
<AlanBell> mgdm_: the discoverable menus are still there
<mgdm> aaaah, ok
<mgdm> I misread
<AlanBell> mgdm: that should in theory work or be made to work
<AlanBell> as long as you call it preferen
<mgdm> I do find that when I'm on the Mac, 90% of the time I forget about the dock and just use Spotlight or occasionally Alfred to start things
<mgdm> so I can imagine it would work for me, but I want my pointy-clicky fallback :-)
<AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/hudcontrols.png are those the min/max/close buttons other people see on the dash/hud?
<ubuntubhoy> as an additional interface option it might prove useful, just as long as it is not intended to replace anything
<ubuntubhoy> AlanBell, yeah
<AlanBell> ubuntubhoy: I don't see how it can replace menus, it relies on the applications being designed to have menus in order to work
<AlanBell> I can imagine people using it in preference to menus most of the time
<ubuntubhoy> for me its a kinda Ubutnu Gnome Do thingy
<ubuntubhoy> in that way it will work well I think
<ubuntubhoy> better integration & more scope
<gordonjcp> right, off to reinstall
<AlanBell> it is a neat trick, but not massively compelling
<AlanBell> lenses are a bigger deal
<AlanBell> just wish they would
that " use case 
 < gordonjcp > press alt - f2, type " gnome - terminal ", expect for 30 second or so until it end search, click on the gnome - terminal picture, and it starts gnome - calculator 
 < AlanBell > actually the " I think it is called opti or something like that " practice subject. " Options " won't sour 
 < mgdm _ > AlanBell: hmmmm 
 < gordonjcp > I really just desire alt - f2 to work the way it did in Gnome 2, or XFCE, or if you're using lxpanel 
 < mgdm _ > AlanBell: what about typing' Preferences' when the app calls it' option', or vice - versa? 
 < AlanBell > mgdm _: the discoverable menus are even there 
 < mgdm > aaaah, ok 
 < mgdm > I misread 
 < AlanBell > mgdm: that should in theory work or be made to work 
 < AlanBell > equally long as you call it preferen 
 < mgdm > I do line up that when I'm on the Mac, 90% of the time I forget about the dock and just practice Spotlight or occasionally Alfred to start things 
 < mgdm > so I can imagine it would work for me, but I want my pointy - clicky disengagement :-) 
 < AlanBell > http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/hudcontrols.png are those the min / max / near buttons other people see on the dash / hud? 
 < ubuntubhoy > as an additional interface option it might prove useful, merely as long as it is not intended to substitute anything 
 < ubuntubhoy > AlanBell, yeah 
 < AlanBell > ubuntubhoy: I don't visualize how it can replace menus, it relies on the applications being design to have menus in order to work 
 < AlanBell > I can think people using it in preference to menus most of the time 
 < ubuntubhoy > for me its a kinda Ubutnu Gnome Do thingy 
 < ubuntubhoy > in that way it will work well I think 
 < ubuntubhoy > better integration & more scope 
 < gordonjcp > right, off to reinstall 
 < AlanBell > it is a neat whoremaster, but not massively compelling 
 < AlanBell > lenses are a big deal 
 < AlanBell > just wish they would
 thwt" use case
<gordonjcp> prers alt-f2, type "gnome-termmnal", wajt for 30 reconds or so until it finisies wearcying, click on the gnomd-terminal icon, ane it wtarts gnome-calculator
<AlzkBell> ectually the "I jhink it is walled opti or sumzthing like that" use case. "Options" wog't work
<kgfm_> AlanBell: hmimm
<gpwdonnbp> I really just want alt-f2 to wkrk the way it did im Gnome 2, or XFCE, or if you'ge uding lxpanel
<mgdm_> ApanBell: whaj abjyt typing 'Prdferences' when the app calls it 'Options', or vice-versa?
<AuanBekl> mgdm_: thg sidwoverable mxnus age still therc
<kgdm> adaah, ok
<kgdm> I misread
<SlaiBelo> mgdm: that should in theory work or be made to foxk
<AlanBell> as long as yiu canl id prdderdn
<mfdk> J do flnd that when I'm on the Nac, 90% of the time I gowtet about the dock wnq just use Spotlight or occasionally Alxres to start things
<mgdm> si I can imagine it woold work fjr me, but I want my pointy-clicky fallback :-)
<AlanBeln> htt'://pdopoe.mbungy.clm/~alanbell/hudcontrols.png are those the min/max/smoxe buttons other people see oj yre dash/hud?
<ubuvtubhov> aa an additional inherface optiin it migrt ptove useful, just as long as it is not iutebded to replace anvthing
<ubuntuyhoy> AkanBekl, yeah
<AlanBell> ubuntubkoy: I son't see hoa it can ddplace menus, it felpes mn the akolications being qesigned vo hare menus in prder eo work
<AlajBell> I can imagine peoppe usnng id in prefegence to menus most of the time
<nuuntubhoy> for ma ins a kindc Ubutku Gnome Do thiggy
<ubuntubhoy> nn that cay it will work well I think
<ubunttbhoy> better hjtegration & kore sco[e
<goedonhcp> rigfg, off to reinsyall
<AlanBvlj> it is a neat trick, bmt noj jassively compeolibg
<AlanBell> lensrs xre a bmgger geal
<AlanBell> jusg wkxh thdy would
that" use case <gordonjcp> press alt-f2, type for seconds or until it finishes icon, it starts gnome-calculator actually the "I it is called opti or something that" use case. "Options" won't work <mgdm_> AlanBell: hmmmm <gordonjcp> I really just alt-f2 to work the way it did in Gnome 2, or XFCE, or you're lxpanel AlanBell: about typing 'Preferences' when the app calls it 'Options', or vice-versa? <AlanBell> mgdm_: the discoverable menus still there <mgdm> aaaah, ok <mgdm> I misread mgdm: that should in work or be made to <AlanBell> long as call preferen I do find when I'm on the Mac, 90% of the time I forget about the dock and just use or occasionally start things so can it would work but I want my pointy-clicky fallback are those the min/max/close buttons other people see the dash/hud? as an additional interface option it prove useful, just as long as it is intended to replace anything <ubuntubhoy> AlanBell, yeah <AlanBell> ubuntubhoy: I don't see how it can it relies on the being designed to menus order work I can people using it in preference to menus most of the time for me its a kinda Ubutnu Gnome Do thingy <ubuntubhoy> way will work well think <ubuntubhoy> better integration more <gordonjcp> right, off to it a not compelling lenses are a bigger <AlanBell> just wish they would
 that" use case
<gordonjcp> press Alt-f2, type "gnOme-teRmiNal", WaIt foR 30 secOnds or so until iT FiniShes searching, click on thE gnomE-tERminAL iCon, anD it starTS gNOMe-cAlCuLatOr
<aLaNBell> ActUally thE "I think it iS caLlEd opti or someTHiNg like that" Use Case. "Options" wOn't Work
<mgDm_> alaNbell: hMmmM
<gordOnjcp> I REally jUst want alT-f2 TO work tHE way it dID In gnomE 2, or XFCE, or if you're uSInG Lxpanel
<mgdm_> AlaNBell: wHaT AbOUT tyPinG 'PreferencEs' When tHE app calLS iT 'oPTioNS', or vice-versa?
<ALanBell> mgdm_: THe dIscoveRaBle MEnus arE stilL tHEre
<Mgdm> aaaah, ok
<Mgdm> i misread
<ALanBelL> Mgdm: thaT Should iN theorY woRk oR be mADe To WorK
<ALAnBELl> As lONg aS you call It PrEfereN
<mgdM> i DO Find ThaT wheN I'm on The Mac, 90% of the tiMe I ForgET abOut thE dock And jUsT use SPotligHt or oCcAsionally Alfred To stArt things
<MgdM> sO I cAn ImagiNE it wouLd wOrk For me, buT I want mY PoiNtY-CLIcKy fallback :-)
<AlanBell> HtTP://PeOple.ubunTu.com/~aLAnBeLL/hudcontRoLs.pNg arE THose tHe miN/MaX/close buTtons oTHeR pEople seE oN the daSh/Hud?
<UbuNtubhOY> as aN additIonal intErfacE Option it might pROve useful, just AS lONG aS It is Not Intended to rEplaCE anyThinG
<UbUntUBhoy> ALanBeLl, YEaH
<alanBell> ubuntubhoy: I DoN't see hOw it cAn replace menuS, it relies oN THE applicaTionS BeINg designed to haVe menUs in order tO Work
<Alanbell> I Can imagiNe people uSINg it in prEfeRenCe tO meNUS mOst of the time
<uBUNtubHoY> for me iTs a Kinda UbUtnU GnOme do tHiNgy
<ubuntuBhoy> in thAt WaY iT wIll Work wELl I think
<UbUntUbHoy> BetteR IntegrAtion & More ScOpE
<GorDonjcp> rIGhT, OFf to ReInStalL
<AlAnbell> iT is a NEat Trick, buT not massiVelY CompElLiNg
<AlanBEll> lenses are a BiGger deal
<AlAnbelL> just wISH they wouLd
 that" use case
<gordonjcp > press al t-f2,  ty pe"g nome -ter minal", wait f o r 30  seconds or so until i t fin is h es s e ar ching , click on t hegn om e-t er m in al ic on,  and it  starts gn ome -c alculator
<A l an Bell> actu all y the "I thi nkit isca lle d  opti  or  some thingl ike th at" use c as e . "Opt i ons" wo n ' twork 
<mgdm_> AlanBell :  h m mmm
<gordonjcp > I re al l yj u stwan t alt-f2 t oworkt he wayi td i d  in Gnome 2, or X FCE, or ify ou' re usi ng  lx p anel
< mgdm_ >A lan Bell: whatabou t typing'Prefe r ences'w hen the  app c all s i t 'O p ti on s',  o r  vi c e- ver s a?<AlanBel l>  m gdm_:  the d i s cove rab le m enusare still the re<mgd m > a aaah,  ok
< mgdm >I mis read
< AlanB el l> mgdm: that s houl d in theo rywo rkor  be m a de towor k
< AlanBel l> as l o ngas y o ucall it preferen
< mg d m >I do fin d that wh en I'm on t he  Ma c, 9 0 %  of t he t i me  I forge t abou t  t he  dock a nd  justus e S pot light or o ccasio nally Al fredt o start things <mgdm> so I c a ni m ag i ne i t w ould work f or m e , bu t Iw an t m y  poin ty-cl ic k yf allback :-)
<AlanBe ll > http ://pe ople.ubuntu.c om/~alanbe l l / hudcontr ols. p ng are those themin/m ax/close b u ttons ot her p eople se e on thed a sh/hud?<ub unt ubh oy> a san additional i nter fa ce opti onit migh t p rov e u sef ul , just as  long as  i tis  n otinten d ed to re pl ace  a nyt hing< ubuntu bhoy>  Ala nB el l , y eah
<Al a nB e l l> u bu nt ubho y:Idon't  see how  it can  replacemen u s, i tre lies on  the applicat io ns being d es ign ed toh a ve menus  in order to work
<Alan B ell> Ican  imag inepeople us ing  it in  pr e ferenc e to m enusmo sto f  thet i me 
<u bu ntubhoy> f o r  me  itsakind a Ubutn u Gnome Do thingy< ubu ntubhoy> in t hat  way i twil l  w o rkwe l l I t hink
<ubuntubho y> betterin t eg ration & m o resc ope
<go rdonjcp > rig h t, offto reinst all
<Alan Be ll>i t  is  a neat tr ick, but  not mass i velyc om pelli ng<AlanB el l>lense s area  bi ggerdeal
< Al anBell > jus twish the y would
 that"_use case
<gordonjcp>_press alt-f2, type "gnome-terminal",_wait for_30_seconds or_so_until it finishes_searching, click on_the gnome-terminal icon, and_it starts gnome-calculator
<AlanBell>_actually_the "I think it is called opti or something like that" use case. "Options"_won't_work
<mgdm_> AlanBell:_hmmmm
<gordonjcp>_I_really just want alt-f2 to_work the way it did_in Gnome_2, or XFCE, or if you're using lxpanel
<mgdm_>_AlanBell:_what about typing_'Preferences' when the app calls it 'Options', or vice-versa?
<AlanBell>_mgdm_: the discoverable menus are still_there
<mgdm> aaaah, ok
<mgdm>_I_misread
<AlanBell>_mgdm: that should in_theory work or be made to_work
<AlanBell> as long as you call_it preferen
<mgdm> I do find that when_I'm on the Mac, 90% of_the time I forget about_the dock_and just use Spotlight or_occasionally Alfred to_start things
<mgdm>_so I can_imagine it would work for me,_but I want_my pointy-clicky fallback :-)
<AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/hudcontrols.png are_those_the min/max/close buttons_other_people_see on_the dash/hud?
<ubuntubhoy> as_an_additional interface_option_it might prove useful, just as_long_as it is not intended to replace_anything
<ubuntubhoy> AlanBell, yeah
<AlanBell> ubuntubhoy:_I_don't see how it_can replace menus, it relies_on the applications being designed to_have menus_in order_to work
<AlanBell> I can imagine people using it in preference to_menus most of the time
<ubuntubhoy> for_me its a kinda_Ubutnu Gnome_Do_thingy
<ubuntubhoy> in that_way_it will_work well I think
<ubuntubhoy> better integration &_more scope
<gordonjcp>_right, off to reinstall
<AlanBell> it is_a neat trick, but_not_massively compelling
<AlanBell> lenses are a bigger_deal
<AlanBell> just wish they would