 real life is complex though ;)
<SpamapS> negronjl: I hardly ever look at the principia wordpress formula.. mediawiki is much better maintained. :)
<negronjl> SpamapS:  any reason why there isn't any apache formula ( just apache )?
<SpamapS> kim0: we need to enable the admin interface on some port so we can watch it
<SpamapS> negronjl: because apache is too generic
<negronjl> SpamapS: k
<SpamapS> negronjl: where would it get its files to serve?
<SpamapS> negronjl: I guess we can have one once we have shared filesystem formulas
<negronjl> SpamapS:  you can create the site and then have the user upload the files.
<SpamapS> negronjl: thats not very interesting though, is it?
<SpamapS> like.. thats a single line of cloud-config
<negronjl> SpamapS:  I agree with it being generic but, I'm afraid that if you want ensemble to be widely used, you'll have to have something generic like that unless the plan is to have the users generate all of their formulas on their own and just use ensemble to deploy stuff
<SpamapS> A formula where you also have a webdav interface, authentication of some kind, and rsyncing between nodes via peer relations.. that might be cool. :)
<SpamapS> negronjl: walk me through the user experience you're envisioning
<negronjl> SpamapS: .... in orchestra I did a generic apache that creates a site for you and then it leaves it up to you to upload the files.  this way you can concentrate on creating your content and not battle apache with the details
<SpamapS> negronjl: does *anybody* create static sites?
<SpamapS> negronjl: I'd say that joomla/drupal/{insert cms here} is far more useful for the generic site case.
<hazmat_> i see a formula around that being more like deploy generic rails app or deploy wsgi app..
<SpamapS> negronjl: Actually
real life is complex though ;) 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: I hardly ever attend at the principia wordpress rule.. mediawiki is much better maintained. :) 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   any cause why there isn't any apache formula (merely apache)? 
 < SpamapS > kim0: we need to enable the admin interface on some port so we can determine it 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: because apache is excessively generic 
 < negronjl > SpamapS: k 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: where would it get its file to serve? 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: I guess we can get one once we have shared filesystem formulas 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   you can create the site and then have the user upload the file. 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: that s not very interesting though, is it? 
 < SpamapS > like.. that s a single line of cloud - config 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   I agree with it being generic but, I'm afraid that if you desire ensemble to be widely used, you'll receive to experience something generic like that unless the plan is to have the users generate all of their formulas on their own and barely use ensemble to deploy stuff 
 < SpamapS > A formula where you also have a webdav interface, authentication of some kind, and rsyncing between nodes via peer relations.. that might be cool. :) 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: walk me through the user experience you're envisioning 
 < negronjl > SpamapS: .... in orchestra I did a generic apache that creates a site for you and then it leaves it up to you to upload the files.   this way you can concentrate on creating your message and not battle apache with the details 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: does * anybody * produce inactive sites? 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: I'd say that joomla / drupal/{insert cms here } is far more useful for the generic web site case. 
 < hazmat _ > i determine a formula around that being more like deploy generic rails app or deploy wsgi app.. 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: Actually
 rewl life is complex thougm ;)
<SpamapS> negronlo: I hacdly evsr look xt the principia wordpress flrnula.. nediawiki is much bettdr maintapned. :)
<negrinjl> WpamapS:  aig reasok why bhere msn't any apache formula ( bust apache )?
<SpdmxpD> kim0: we need to enable the admin igterfacr ln some port sj we san satch it
<SpamapS> negronjl: because alache iv too generic
<megronjl> SpamapS: k
<SpamapS> jegrlnjl: where would ih get its fules ro serve?
<SpamxpS> negronjl: I guess wg can have one once we have shardd fikesystem firnulwv
<negronjl> S'amapS:  you can crcste tha site snd then have bhe uver upload the files.
<SpamepS> negronjl: thats njt very ittzresting though, is it?
<WpqmapS> lika.. thxrs x sjnjle line lf rloud-config
<hegronjl> SpqmapS:  I agree with ie being generid but, Y'm afraid that if you want ensemble to be wisely used, you'll have to have something generlc like trat unless the plan is to have the users generate all kw tkclr fuemklas on their own and just use ensemble to de[mou xtuff
<SpamapS> A formula whrrf uju also have x webdcb jnterface, authentifation jf sone kind, agd rxyncing between nodes via pwer relationf.. that might be coop. :)
<SpamapS> nzgronjk: wall me through the user erperiehce you're ejvisioninf
<vegronjl> SpamapS: .... ik oschestra I did a generic a[ache thav crectes a skte gor yot and then it lcdves it up to you ho uppodd the filfs.  this way you can concentratx on creating ymur content and kot battle apacre with the dejails
<SpamcpS> neeronjl: doea *anybovy* create stwtic sites?
<SpakwpS> negronjl: I'd say ehat joonla/drupxu/{insert cms hete} is far more usefyl for the generic sije case.
<hazmat_> i szt a formula around thxt fepng mjse like deplmy gdnefoc rakls app or beoloy wsgi app..
<SpamapS> negsonjm: Actually
real life is complex though ;) <SpamapS> hardly look at principia wordpress formula.. :) SpamapS: any reason there isn't any formula ( just apache )? <SpamapS> we need to enable the admin interface on some port so we can it <SpamapS> negronjl: because apache is too generic <negronjl> SpamapS: k <SpamapS> negronjl: would get files serve? <SpamapS> negronjl: I guess we can have one once we have shared filesystem formulas <negronjl> you can create the site and then have user upload the files. negronjl: thats not very interesting is <SpamapS> like.. a line cloud-config <negronjl> SpamapS: agree with it being generic but, I'm afraid that if you want ensemble to be widely used, have to generic like unless plan to have the all of their formulas on their use ensemble to deploy stuff <SpamapS> A formula you also a webdav interface, authentication of some and rsyncing between nodes via peer relations.. that be cool. :) <SpamapS> negronjl: walk me through the user experience you're envisioning <negronjl> SpamapS: orchestra I did a apache that creates site you then leaves it to you to upload the files. this way you can concentrate creating your content and not battle apache with the details does create static sites? negronjl: I'd say that cms is far more useful generic case. a around being more like deploy rails app or deploy wsgi <SpamapS> negronjl: Actually
 real life is complex though ;)
<SpAmapS> negroNjl: I hArdLy eVeR looK at tHe principia worDPresS formula.. mediawiki is mucH bettEr MAintAInEd. :)
<negRonjl> SpAMaPs:  Any ReAsOn wHy THeRe isn'T anY apache Formula ( jusT apAcHe )?
<SpamapS> kim0: WE nEed to enablE thE admin interfAce On some PoRt sO We can WatCh it
<SPamapS> NEgronjL: because aPaCHe is toO Generic
<NEGrOnjl> spamapS: k
<SpamapS> neGRoNJl: where would it Get its FiLEs TO SerVe?
<SPamapS> negrOnJl: I guESs we can HAvE ONE onCE we have shared Filesystem fORmuLas
<negRoNjl> sPamapS:  You caN cREatE the site and Then Have the usEr uploAD the filES.
<Spamaps> negroNjl: ThaTs noT VeRy IntErEStiNG tHouGH, is It?
<Spamaps> lIkE.. thatS a siNGLE Line Of cLoud-ConfiG
<negronjl> SpamApS:  i agrEE wiTh it bEing gEnerIc But, I'm Afraid That iF yOu want ensemble tO be wIdely used, You'Ll HavE tO have SOmethiNg gEneRic like That unlESs tHe PLAN iS to have the users genErATE aLl of theiR formuLAs On THeir own aNd JusT use ENSemblE to dEPlOy stuff
<SPamapS> a FoRmUla wherE yOu also HaVe a WebDav inTErfaCe, authEnticatiOn of sOMe kind, and rsyncINg between nodeS ViA PEeR RelaTioNs.. that might Be coOL. :)
<SpaMapS> NEgRonJL: walk Me thrOuGH tHE user experience you'rE eNvisioNing
<nEgronjl> Spamaps: .... in orchestRA i Did a geneRic aPAcHE that creates a sIte foR you and theN It leaves It up tO you to upLoad the fiLES.  this way You Can ConCenTRAtE on creating yoUR ContEnT and not BatTle apacHe wIth The DetAiLs
<SpamapS> Negronjl: DoEs *AnYbOdy* CreatE Static siTeS?
<SpAmApS> NegroNJl: I'd saY that JoomLa/DrUPal/{Insert cMS hERE} is fAr MoRe usEfuL fOr the GeneRIc sIte case.
<Hazmat_> i seE a fORmulA aRoUnd that Being more like DePloy generiC rAilS app or DEPloy wsgi App..
<SpamapS> negronjl: ActuaLLy
 real life is complex thou gh ;)
<Spa mapS>  ne gro nj l: I  har dly ever looka t th e principia wordpressformu la . . me d ia wikiis much be t t erma in tai ne d .:)
<n egr onjl> S pamapS:  a nyre ason why the r eisn't anyapa che formula( j ust ap ac he) ?
<Sp ama pS> k im0: w e  needto enable  t h e admi n  interf a c eon s ome port so we ca n  w a tch it
<Spamap S> neg ro n jl : bec aus e apache i stoo g e neric
< n eg r o n jl> SpamapS: k
<S pamapS> neg r onj l: whe re  wo u ld itget i ts fil es to serve ?
<S pamapS> n egronj l : I gue s s we ca n have  on e o ncew eha vesh a red fi les y ste m formul as 
< negro njl> S p a mapS : youcan c reate the sit e a nd t h enhavethe u serup loadthe fi les.<S pamapS> negronj l: t hats notver yint er estin g  thoug h,isit?
<Sp amapS>l ike .. t h at s a single line of  c l o ud -config<negro n jl >S pamapS: I  ag reew i th it  bei n ggenericbut, I ' maf raid th at  if yo uwan t e nsemb l e to  be wi dely use d, yo u 'll have to ha v e something g e ne r i cl iketha t unless th e pl a n is  toh av e t h e use rs ge ne r at e  all of their formu la s on t heirown and justuse ensemb l e to deplo y st u ff <SpamapS> A fo rmula  where you also hav e a w ebdav in terface,a u thentica tio n o f s ome k in d, and rsynci n g  bet we en node s v ia peer  re lat ion s..  t hat might  be cool .:) 
< Sp ama pS> n e gronjl:wa lkme  th rough the us er ex peri en ce you 're env i si o n ing<n eg ronj l>Sp amapS : .. . . i n orche stra I di d a gene ri capachethat createsasite for y ou  an d then i t leaves  it up to you to upload the fil es.   thi s wa y you can  co ncentr ate on cre atingyourco nte n t  andn o tbat tl e apache w i t h t he de ta ils<Spamap S> negronjl: does* any body* createsta tics i te s?< Sp a map S> neg r o njl: I'd say th at joomla/ dr u pa l/{insertc mshe re} isfar mor e use f ul forthe gener ic site c as e.
< h a zma t_> i seea formul a aroundt hat b e in g mor e l ike de pl oygener ic rai l s a pp or  deplo ywsgi a pp..<S pamapS>negronjl: Actually
 real_life is_complex though ;)
<SpamapS> negronjl:_I hardly_ever_look at_the_principia wordpress formula.._mediawiki is much_better maintained. :)
<negronjl> SpamapS:_ any reason_why_there isn't any apache formula ( just apache )?
<SpamapS> kim0: we need to enable_the_admin interface_on_some_port so we can watch_it
<SpamapS> negronjl: because apache is_too generic
<negronjl>_SpamapS: k
<SpamapS> negronjl: where would it get its_files_to serve?
<SpamapS> negronjl:_I guess we can have one once we have_shared filesystem formulas
<negronjl> SpamapS:  you_can create the_site_and_then have the user_upload the files.
<SpamapS> negronjl: thats not_very interesting though, is it?
<SpamapS> like.._thats a single line of cloud-config
<negronjl> SpamapS:_ I agree with it being_generic but, I'm afraid that_if you_want ensemble to be widely_used, you'll have_to have_something generic like_that unless the plan is to_have the users_generate all of their formulas on_their_own and just_use_ensemble_to deploy_stuff
<SpamapS> A formula_where_you also_have_a webdav interface, authentication of some_kind,_and rsyncing between nodes via peer relations.._that might be cool._:)
<SpamapS>_negronjl: walk me through_the user experience you're envisioning
<negronjl>_SpamapS: .... in orchestra I did_a generic_apache that_creates a site for you and then it leaves it up_to you to upload the files._ this way you_can concentrate_on_creating your content_and_not battle_apache with the details
<SpamapS> negronjl: does *anybody*_create static_sites?
<SpamapS> negronjl: I'd say that joomla/drupal/{insert_cms here} is far_more_useful for the generic site case.
<hazmat_>_i see a formula around that_being more like deploy generic_rails_app_or deploy wsgi app..
<SpamapS> negronjl:_Actually