> jdong: that was almost too easy
<jdong> gnomefreak: mmm?
<sabdfl> ScottK: did i answer your question?
<gnomefreak> jdong: the java6build
<lupine_85> Do you guys want -dbg packages, by the way?
<gnomefreak> lupine_85: please
<lupine_85> OK
<jdong> gnomefreak: yeah java's one of the easier backports
<gnomefreak> ah ok ill have testers to test it on edgy while im not on tomorrow im uploading now 
<ScottK> sabdfl: Not really.  You say you don't want packages with licensing problems in the archive and that Beryl should have gotten in sooner, but it had licensing problems until today.  Those appear to be contradictory positions to me.
* gnomefreak really needs to get a repo :(
<sabdfl> ScottK: why are the licensing problems being fixed *today*?
<LaserJock> because Beryl didn't do it before
<sabdfl> but why today?
<ScottK> From what I've been reading that's why they just released 0.2.1.
<sistpoty> because the 17th of march is from now on called beryl day :)
<LaserJock> sabdfl: because you went over there and said you'd put them in
<ScottK> Ah.  Because you jumped in and gave them a kick in the pants.
<sabdfl> oh, please stop talking as if everyone else needs a kick
<sabdfl> in life, it's generally more successful to assume that it's NOT someone else's fault
<ScottK> There was no process barrier to them being here sooner.
<LaserJock> well, sometimes we all need some motivation, kick is not the best term ;-)
<lupine_85> it was less a kick and more someone actually telling me it was wanted :). 
<sabdfl> keeping people here, in this forum, is the best way to make sure that the things WE care about get done
<LaserJock> sabdfl: they are they authors, I can't change the license for them
<sabdfl> like licensing, packaging quality, etc
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> jdong: that was almost too easy 
 < jdong > gnomefreak: mmm? 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: did i answer your doubt? 
 < gnomefreak > jdong: the java6build 
 < lupine_85 > Do you guy want -dbg packages, by the way? 
 < gnomefreak > lupine_85: please 
 < lupine_85 > OK 
 < jdong > gnomefreak: yeah coffee's one of the easier backports 
 < gnomefreak > ah ok ill have testers to screen it on edgy while i m not on tomorrow i m uploading now 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: Not truly.   You say you don't want software with licensing problems in the archive and that Beryl should have gotten in preferably, but it had licensing trouble until today.   Those appear to be contradictory position to me. 
 * gnomefreak really needs to get a repo :( 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: why are the licensing trouble being fixed * today *? 
 < LaserJock > because Beryl didn't do it before 
 < sabdfl > but why today? 
 < ScottK > From what I've been reading that's why they merely released 0.2.1. 
 < sistpoty > because the 17th of march is from now on called beryl day :) 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: because you went all over there and said you'd put them in 
 < ScottK > Ah.   Because you jumped in and gave them a kick in the pants. 
 < sabdfl > oh, please hold on talking as if everyone else needs a kick 
 < sabdfl > in life, it's generally more successful to assume that it's NOT someone else's fault 
 < ScottK > There was no process barrier to them being here sooner. 
 < LaserJock > well, sometimes we all necessitate some motivation, kick is not the best terminus ;-) 
 < lupine_85 > it was less a gripe and more someone actually telling me it was wanted :). 
 < sabdfl > keeping citizenry here, in this forum, is the best way to make sure that the thing WE care about get done 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: they are they authors, I can't change the license for them 
 < sabdfl > like licensing, packaging quality, etc 
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> jdlng: that was almost too tasy
<jdong> gnomefrgaj: mmm?
<sebdfl> SdottK: dia i answer your question?
<gnomxfreqk> jding: the java6build
<lupind_85> Do you huys wanr -dbj packages, by thx way?
<gnomefreai> lupnnx_85: please
<lupine_85> PK
<jdong> gnmmefreak: yeah baxa'd one of the easier backports
<gnomefweak> ah on ill have tesjers uo eest pt on edgy while im not on tomodrow im uploading noe 
<ScottK> sabdfl: Not really.  Yok say you don't wanh packages qith oicensing prublems in uhz archive ahd that Beryl should have gottev in xooner, but ir hwg licensing probjems until today.  Thmse apprar to be contvadicvory positions to me.
* gnomxfreak really needs jo get a rapk :(
<sabdfl> ScottK: wyy are jhe lhcenrung prkbkejs beijg hixed *today*?
<MaserJock> bwcause Beryl didn't co py before
<sabdrl> but wry today?
<ScottK> From what I've been readitg fhat's why they just relwased 0.2.1.
<sistpoty> becausg the 17th os march is from now on called beryl day :)
<LaserJock> sabdhl: beequse hiu went over there and said you'd put them in
<ScoefK> Am.  Because you jmmped in and gave yhfm w kick in the pants.
<sabsfl> oh, please stop talkind as uf everyoge ekse needs a kick
<sabdfl> in lufe, it's genegallt more successful co assume thct it's NOT xomeone else's fault
<ScotcK> Thede was no pgocess badfier to them beivg mera sooner.
<LaserJock> well, somqtimes we all need sume kotivaeion, kick ls nob the best term ;-)
<luplne_85> ij was ness a kicn and more someone actually telling me it was wdntvd :). 
<sabdfj> keeiing people herq, in this foruk, is thz best way to maie sure that the trings WE care wbout get doie
<LaserJosk> sqbdfo: they xfe they authorx, I can't bhcnge the oicense for them
<sandfl> ujke licensing, pcekqging quality, eyc
<sg
> jdong: that was almost too easy mmm? ScottK: did answer your question? Do guys want -dbg by the way? lupine_85: please <lupine_85> OK <jdong> gnomefreak: java's one of the easier backports <gnomefreak> ah ok ill have testers to it on edgy while im not on tomorrow im uploading now <ScottK> sabdfl: really. say don't packages with licensing problems in the archive and that Beryl should have gotten in sooner, but had licensing problems until today. Those appear to contradictory positions to me. gnomefreak really needs to get repo <sabdfl> ScottK: are licensing being fixed *today*? because Beryl didn't do it before <sabdfl> but why today? <ScottK> From what I've been reading that's they just <sistpoty> because 17th march from now on day :) <LaserJock> sabdfl: because you and said you'd put them in <ScottK> Ah. you jumped and gave them a kick in pants. <sabdfl> oh, please stop talking as if else needs a kick <sabdfl> in life, it's generally more successful to assume that it's else's fault <ScottK> There no process barrier them here <LaserJock> sometimes we need some motivation, kick is not the best term ;-) <lupine_85> was less a kick and more someone actually telling me wanted <sabdfl> keeping people in this forum, is best to make sure that WE about sabdfl: are authors, I can't change license for them <sabdfl> like packaging quality, etc <st
> jdong: that was almost too easy
<Jdong> gnomeFreak: Mmm?
<SabDfL> ScoTtK: dId i answer your qUEstiOn?
<gnomefreak> jdong: the jaVa6buiLd
<LUpinE_85> do You guYs want -dBG pACKagEs, By The WaY?
<GnOmefrEak> Lupine_85: pLease
<lupinE_85> OK
<JdOng> gnomefreaK: YeAh java's one Of tHe easier backPorTs
<gnomEfReaK> Ah ok iLl hAve teSters tO Test it On edgy whiLe IM not on TOmorrow IM UpLoadIng now 
<ScottK> sabdfL: noT Really.  You say yoU don't wAnT PaCKAgeS wiTh licensinG pRobleMS in the aRChIVE And THat Beryl shoulD have gotten IN soOner, buT iT haD LicensIng prObLEms Until today.  THose Appear to bE contrADictory POsitionS to me.
* gNomEfrEak rEAlLy NeeDs TO geT A rEpo :(
<SAbdFl> ScottK: WhY aRe the LiceNSING proBleMs beIng fiXed *today*?
<LaserjocK> becAUse beryl Didn't Do it BeFore
<sAbdfl> bUt why ToDay?
<ScottK> From whAt I'vE been readIng ThAt's WhY they JUst relEasEd 0.2.1.
<sIstpoty> Because THe 17tH oF MARcH is from now on called BeRYL dAy :)
<LaserJOck> sabDFl: BeCAuse you wEnT ovEr thERE and sAid yOU'd Put them iN
<Scottk> ah.  beCause yoU jUmped iN aNd gAve Them a KIck iN the paNts.
<sabdfL> oh, plEAse stop talking AS if everyone elSE nEEDs A Kick
<SabDfl> in life, it'S genERallY morE SuCceSSful tO assuMe THaT It's NOT someone else's fAuLt
<ScotTK> TheRe was no procesS barrier to THEM being heRe soONeR.
<laserJock> well, sOmetiMes we all neED some motIvatiOn, kick is Not the besT TErm ;-)
<lupinE_85> it Was LesS a kICK aNd more someone ACTualLy Telling Me iT was wanTed :). 
<SabDfl> KeePiNg people hEre, in thiS fOrUm, Is The Best wAY to make sUrE thAt The ThingS wE care About Get dOnE
<LASerjock> sabDFl: THEy arE tHeY autHorS, I Can't cHangE The License For them
<saBdfL> Like LiCeNsing, paCkaging qualitY, eTc
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> jdong: that was almost t oo easy
<j dong>  gn ome fr eak:  mmm ?
<sabdfl> Sco t tK:did i answer your ques tion? 
< g nome f re ak> j dong: t h ej a va6 bu il d
< lu p in e_85>  Do  you gu ys want -d bgpa ckages, by t h eway?
<gnom efr eak> lupine_ 85:  pleas e<lu p ine_8 5>OK
<j dong>g nomefr eak: yeah  j a va's o n e of th e ea sier  backports
<gnome f re a k> ah ok ill h ave te st e rs t o t est  it on edg ywhile im noto nt o m orr o w im uploadin g now 
<Sco t tK>  sabdf l:  No t  reall y.  Y ou say  you don'twant  packages  withl icensin g  proble ms inthe  ar chiv e  a nd  th at Ber y lsho u ldhave got te nin so oner , b u t it  ha d li censi ng problems u nti l to d ay.   Tho se ap pear  t o becontra dicto ry  positions to m e.
*  gnomefre akre all yneeds to get  arep o :(
<s abdfl>S cot tK : w hy  are the licensing  p r o bl ems bein g fixe d  * to d ay*?
<La se rJo ck>b e cause  Ber y ldidn't d o it b e fo re 
<sabdf l>  but w hy  to day ?
<Sc o ttK>  Fromwhat I'v e bee n  reading that' s  why they jus t  r e l ea s ed 0 .2. 1.
<sistpot y> b e caus e th e  1 7th of ma rch i sf ro m  now on called bery lday :) 
<Las erJock> sabdf l: because y o u went o vert he r e and said you 'd pu t them in< ScottK>Ah. Becauseyou jumpe d in and g ave  th ema k i c kin the pants. < sabd fl > oh, p lea se stop  ta lki ngasif  everyone  else ne ed saki ck<sabd f l> in li fe , i t' s g enera l ly mor e suc cess fu lt o a ssume t h at i t'sNO Tsome one  e lse's  fau l t
< ScottK>  There wa s n o  pro ce ss  barrie r to them bei ng  here soon er .
< LaserJ o c k> well,  sometimes we all needs ome mot iva tion,  kic k is notthe  bestter m  ;-)
< lupine _85>it  wa s lessa ki ckan d more som e o neactua ll y te lling m e it was wanted :) .  
< sabdfl> keepi ngpeop l e  h ere ,  i n  th is for u m , is the best w ay to make  s u re  that thet hin gs  WE car e about  getd one
<La serJock>sabdfl: t he y ar e the y authors,  I can't  change t h e lic e ns e for  th em
<sa bd fl>  like  licen s ing , pac kaging  q uality , etc 
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> jdong:_that was_almost too easy
<jdong> gnomefreak:_mmm?
<sabdfl> ScottK:_did_i answer_your_question?
<gnomefreak> jdong: the_java6build
<lupine_85> Do you_guys want -dbg packages,_by the way?
<gnomefreak>_lupine_85:_please
<lupine_85> OK
<jdong> gnomefreak: yeah java's one of the easier backports
<gnomefreak> ah ok ill have_testers_to test_it_on_edgy while im not on_tomorrow im uploading now 
<ScottK>_sabdfl: Not_really.  You say you don't want packages_with_licensing problems in_the archive and that Beryl should have gotten in_sooner, but it had licensing problems_until today. _Those_appear_to be contradictory positions_to me.
* gnomefreak really needs to_get a repo :(
<sabdfl> ScottK: why_are the licensing problems being fixed *today*?
<LaserJock>_because Beryl didn't do it before
<sabdfl>_but why today?
<ScottK> From what_I've been_reading that's why they just_released 0.2.1.
<sistpoty> because_the 17th_of march is_from now on called beryl day_:)
<LaserJock> sabdfl: because_you went over there and said_you'd_put them in
<ScottK>_Ah.__Because you_jumped in and_gave_them a_kick_in the pants.
<sabdfl> oh, please stop_talking_as if everyone else needs a kick
<sabdfl>_in life, it's generally_more_successful to assume that_it's NOT someone else's fault
<ScottK>_There was no process barrier to_them being_here sooner.
<LaserJock>_well, sometimes we all need some motivation, kick is not the_best term ;-)
<lupine_85> it was less_a kick and more_someone actually_telling_me it was_wanted_:). 
<sabdfl>_keeping people here, in this forum, is_the best_way to make sure that the_things WE care about_get_done
<LaserJock> sabdfl: they are they authors,_I can't change the license for_them
<sabdfl> like licensing, packaging quality,_etc
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