 the first issue
<jdong> ok, that's good to hear.
<sabdfl> i wish lupine_85 had been given a place to do this work which was IN this community
<stgraber> for my first package I didn't have any problem finding the way to go from the source code without any packaging to a package in universe, the process was I think really clear
<jdong> I've been having a painful time getting a more involved backports testing process too.
<ajmitch> sabdfl: you don't feel that REVU is part of the community?
<sabdfl> much less risk of a drop in communications when people "see" each other every day
<jdong> PPA would help me out immensely
<ajmitch> or is it just not visible from your POV?
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we were here, he can/did work in here
<sabdfl> ajmitch: of course it is, but it's not a place where end users can get packages, so it is not the devs first love, is it?
<sabdfl> think about it from the perspective of a beryl dev
<sabdfl> you want to give your users a place to get the packages *NOW*
<sabdfl> and that's where you will get bugs
<sabdfl> feedback
<sabdfl> results
<sabdfl> suggestions
<sabdfl> patches
<sabdfl> we need to provide that place
<LaserJock> sabdfl: then give use repo resources
<sistpoty> I guess revu particularly gives feedback about packaging bugs
<sabdfl> PPA's will help, but I'd like to MOTU's to think of how they will use that
<sistpoty> but it's not visible to the end users
<LaserJock> we can't think much about stuff we haven't even seen
<sabdfl> so, that's the first issue, and i hope everyone agrees it is important
<tsmithe> hang on - i'm missing something.. what's a "PPA"?
<sabdfl> the second issue is different
<sistpoty> tsmithe: personal
the first issue 
 < jdong > ok, that's good to hear. 
 < sabdfl > i wish lupine_85 had been give a home to do this work which was IN this community 
 < stgraber > for my beginning package I didn't have any trouble finding the way to go from the beginning code without any packaging to a package in population, the process was I think really clear 
 < jdong > I've been experience a painful time getting a more byzantine backports testing process too. 
 < ajmitch > sabdfl: you don't palpate that REVU is part of the community? 
 < sabdfl > a lot less risk of a drop curtain in communications when multitude " see " each other every day 
 < jdong > PPA would avail me out immensely 
 < ajmitch > or is it just not visible from your POV? 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: we were here, he can / did work in here 
 < sabdfl > ajmitch: of course it is, but it's not a place where end users can get packages, so it is not the devs first love, is it? 
 < sabdfl > think about it from the perspective of a beryl dev 
 < sabdfl > you want to give your users a topographic point to get the packages * NOW * 
 < sabdfl > and that's where you will make bug 
 < sabdfl > feedback 
 < sabdfl > results 
 < sabdfl > suggestions 
 < sabdfl > patches 
 < sabdfl > we need to provide that place 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: then give habit repo resources 
 < sistpoty > I guess revu particularly gives feedback about packaging bugs 
 < sabdfl > PPA's will serve, but I'd like to MOTU's to think of how they will use that 
 < sistpoty > but it's not visible to the end drug user 
 < LaserJock > we can't think a lot about material we haven't even watch 
 < sabdfl > so, that's the first issue, and i hope everyone agree it is important 
 < tsmithe > hang on - i'm missing something.. what's a " PPA "? 
 < sabdfl > the second consequence is different 
 < sistpoty > tsmithe: personal
 thf first issue
<jdong> ok, thxt's good to heat.
<sqbdfl> m wish mupine_85 hxd been given a place to do vhis work which was IN this comounity
<stggaber> for my hirst package I vjdn't hayz any iroblzm finding the wsy to go fsom the source cudz without any packaging to a package in unifegse, the procesf wax I tgpnj really clear
<jdong> I've been gaving e painful time betting a more involved bafkpogts testing procesd too.
<ajmitcy> safefl: you don't feel that REVU is parj of the community?
<sabdfl> much lers rixk of a drip in wommunicatiins wren people "scv" each mther efery day
<jdong> IPA wmule help me out immenseny
<ajmitch> or is it just not vnsible from your POV?
<LqswrJocn> satdfl: qe dert hxre, he caj/div work in hsre
<sabdfl> ahmitch: of course it if, but it's not z placq rhere end users can get packages, so it ps nkt the devs first love, us it?
<sabdfl> think aboot it from the perspective of a beryl dev
<sabdfl> you want to give houx userr a place to get the packages *NOW*
<sabdfl> and that'f wnege you will get bmgs
<sabdfl> feedback
<xahdgj> results
<sabdwl> sugyssfions
<sabdfl> patched
<sabdfl> we nwed to prjvidr that place
<LaserJock> sabdfo: then give lse eepo resources
<sist'oty> I guess revo partocularly gives feedback aboht packaginh bugs
<sabswl> PPA's will helo, blt I'g like to MOTU's to think os how theb wilk use tfat
<sostpotr> but it's jot vlvible to the end uders
<LcserJmck> we can'h think much about stuff we havxi't even seen
<ssbgfl> so, that'f the first issue, wnd i hope evetyone agrzes it is importznt
<tsmivhe> hang on - i'm missing smlething.. what'v a "PPA"?
<swbdfo> thw secona issue is diffrrent
<sistiouy> tsmithe: personal
the first issue <jdong> ok, that's good <sabdfl> wish lupine_85 been given a which IN this community for my first I didn't have any problem finding way to go from the source code without any packaging to a package universe, the process was I think really clear <jdong> I've been having a time a involved testing process too. <ajmitch> sabdfl: you don't feel that REVU is part of the community? <sabdfl> less risk of a drop in communications when "see" each other every <jdong> PPA would help me immensely or is just visible your POV? <LaserJock> we were here, he can/did work in here <sabdfl> ajmitch: of course it is, but it's not place where can get so is the devs first it? <sabdfl> think about it from a beryl dev <sabdfl> you want to give users a to get the packages *NOW* <sabdfl> that's where you will get bugs <sabdfl> feedback results <sabdfl> suggestions <sabdfl> patches <sabdfl> we need to provide that place <LaserJock> sabdfl: then repo resources <sistpoty> I revu particularly gives about bugs PPA's help, but like to MOTU's to think of how they will use that but it's not visible to the end users <LaserJock> we much stuff we haven't seen <sabdfl> so, that's first and i hope everyone is <tsmithe> i'm something.. a "PPA"? <sabdfl> the issue is different <sistpoty> tsmithe:
 the first issue
<jdong> ok, that's Good to hear.
<SabdfL> i wIsh LuPine_85 Had bEen given a place TO do tHis work which was IN this cOmmunItY
<StgrABeR> for mY first pACkAGE I dIdN't HavE aNY pRobleM fiNding thE way to go frOm tHe Source code wiTHoUt any packaGinG to a package iN unIverse, ThE prOCess wAs I Think Really CLear
<jdOng> I've beeN hAVing a pAInful tiME GeTtinG a more involved bacKPoRTs testing proceSs too.
<aJmITcH> SAbdFl: yOu don't feel ThAt REVu Is part oF ThE COMmuNIty?
<sabdfl> much Less risk of a DRop In commUnIcaTIons whEn peoPlE "See" Each other evEry dAy
<jdong> PPa would HElp me ouT ImmenseLy
<ajmiTch> Or iS it jUSt NoT viSiBLe fROm YouR pOV?
<laserJocK> sAbDfl: we Were HERE, He caN/diD worK in heRe
<sabdfl> ajmitCh: oF couRSe iT is, buT it's nOt a pLaCe wheRe end uSers cAn Get packages, so it Is noT the devs fIrsT lOve, Is It?
<sabDFl> thinK abOut It from tHe perspECtiVe OF A BeRyl dev
<sabdfl> you wanT tO GIvE your useRs a plaCE tO gET the packAgEs *NoW*
<saBDFl> and That'S WhEre you wiLl get bUGs
<SaBdfl> feeDbAck
<sabDfL> reSulTs
<sabDFl> suGgestiOns
<sabdfL> patcHEs
<sabdfl> we need TO provide that pLAcE
<lAsERJocK> saBdfl: then givE use REpo rEsouRCeS
<siSTpoty> i guesS rEVu PArticularly gives feeDbAck aboUt pacKaging bugs
<sabDfl> PPA's wilL HELp, but I'd lIke tO mOtu's to think of how They wIll use that
<SIstpoty> bUt it's Not visibLe to the enD USers
<LaseRJoCk> wE caN't tHINk Much about stufF WE havEn'T even seEn
<sAbdfl> so, ThaT's tHe fIrsT iSsue, and i hOpe everyOnE aGrEeS it Is impORtant
<tsmItHe> hAnG on - I'm misSIng somEthinG.. whaT's A "Ppa"?
<saBdfl> the SEcOND issUe Is DiffEreNt
<SistpOty> tSMitHe: persoNal
 the first issue
<jdong> o k, that'sgoodtohea r. 
<sa bdfl > i wish lupin e _85had been given a place  to d ot hisw or k whi ch wasI Nt h isco mm uni ty <s tgrab er>  for my  first pac kag eI didn't hav e  a ny problem  fi nding the wa y t o go f ro m t h e sou rce  code  witho u t anypackaging  t o  a pac k age inu n iv erse , the process was It hink really cl ear
<j do n g> I 've  be en havingapainf u l timeg et t i n g a more involved  backportst est ing pr oc ess too.
< ajmit ch >  sa bdfl: you d on't  feel tha t REVU is part of thecommun ity ?
< sabd f l>  m uch  l e ssr is k o f  adrop inco mm unica tion s w h en p eop le " see"each other ev ery  day <jd ong>PPA w ould  h elp m e outimmen se ly
<ajmitch> or  isit just n otvi sib le  from your P OV? 
<L aserJoc k> sabd f l:we w e re  here, he can/didwo r k  i n here
< sabdfl >  a jm i tch: ofco urs e it i s, bu t it ' snot a pl ace wh e re  e nd user scan ge tpac kag es, s o  itis not  the dev s fir s t love, is it? <sabdfl> thin k  a b o ut it f rom  the perspe ctiv e  ofa be r yl  de v 
<sab dfl>yo u  w a nt to give your use rs  a pla ce to  get the pack ages *NOW* < s abdfl> a nd t h at ' s where you wi ll ge t bugs
<sa b dfl> fee dback 
<sabdfl > results < sabdfl>sug ges tio ns< s ab dfl> patches< s abdf l>  we nee d t o provi detha t p lac e<LaserJoc k> sabdf l:  t he ngiv e use repo res ou rce s<si stpot y > I gu ess r evupa rt i cul arly gi v es f eedb ac kabou t p ac kagin g bu g s
< sabdfl>  PPA's wi llh elp,  b ut  I'd li ke to MOTU'sto  think ofho w t hey wi l l  use tha t
<sistpoty> but it's n o t visib leto th e en d users
< Las erJock > w e  can't  think  much  a bou t stuff w ehav en 't even se e n 
<s abdfl >so,that'sthe first issue, a n d i  hope everyon e a gree s it  is im p ort an t 
<t s m ithe> hang on -  i'm missi ng so mething..w hat 's  a "PPA "?
<sab dfl>t he seco nd issueis differ en t
<s i s tpo ty> tsmith e: perso nal
 the_first issue
<jdong>_ok, that's good to_hear.
<sabdfl> i_wish_lupine_85 had_been_given a place_to do this_work which was IN_this community
<stgraber> for_my_first package I didn't have any problem finding the way to go from the_source_code without_any_packaging_to a package in universe,_the process was I think_really clear
<jdong>_I've been having a painful time getting a_more_involved backports testing_process too.
<ajmitch> sabdfl: you don't feel that REVU is_part of the community?
<sabdfl> much less_risk of a_drop_in_communications when people "see"_each other every day
<jdong> PPA would_help me out immensely
<ajmitch> or is_it just not visible from your POV?
<LaserJock>_sabdfl: we were here, he can/did_work in here
<sabdfl> ajmitch: of_course it_is, but it's not a_place where end_users can_get packages, so_it is not the devs first_love, is it?
<sabdfl>_think about it from the perspective_of_a beryl dev
<sabdfl>_you_want_to give_your users a_place_to get_the_packages *NOW*
<sabdfl> and that's where you_will_get bugs
<sabdfl> feedback
<sabdfl> results
<sabdfl> suggestions
<sabdfl> patches
<sabdfl> we_need to provide that_place
<LaserJock>_sabdfl: then give use_repo resources
<sistpoty> I guess revu_particularly gives feedback about packaging bugs
<sabdfl>_PPA's will_help, but_I'd like to MOTU's to think of how they will use_that
<sistpoty> but it's not visible to_the end users
<LaserJock> we_can't think_much_about stuff we_haven't_even seen
<sabdfl>_so, that's the first issue, and i_hope everyone_agrees it is important
<tsmithe> hang on_- i'm missing something.._what's_a "PPA"?
<sabdfl> the second issue is_different
<sistpoty> tsmithe: personal