 the public hostname, you can get it from 'whatismyip.com'.. 
<SpamapS> negronjl: just kidding btw.. I think we need Ensemble to provide a machine info tool that works accross any machine provider.
<negronjl> SpamapS:  so, for now, I'll use the hostname -f for internal and meta-data for external ( until I get something better )
<SpamapS> negronjl: when do you *actually* need the public hostname, programattically?
<SpamapS> negronjl: the only space I see you attempting to use it is to print, into the debug log, the hostname people should use to access the server.
<SpamapS> negronjl: which you can get from 'ensemble status'
<negronjl> SpamapS:  I'll do that instead.
<negronjl> SpamapS:  taking it out
<SpamapS> negronjl: \o/
<SpamapS> Now if we only had an LXC machine provider...
<negronjl> SpamapS:  I pushed all of the changes we discussed here (one interface instead of three, hostname -f instead of meta-data, remove the public-dns bit )
<SpamapS> pulling
<jimbaker> SpamapS, want to discuss bug 766317?
<_mup_> Bug #766317: debug-log should show relation settings changes <Ensemble:In Progress by jimbaker> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/766317 >
<negronjl> SpamapS:  deploying ( and praying a bit )
<SpamapS> negronjl: principia proof reports this:  W: all formulas should provide at least one thing
<jimbaker> basically this addresses observability of formulas. obviously i can readily write a utility to grab this zk info and show how it changes
<SpamapS> negronjl: for hadoop-slave.. the reason is, if it doesn't provide anything, how can other services consume what it does?
<jimbaker> w/in the constraints of any applied security
the public hostname, you can get it from' whatismyip.com'.. 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: just kidding btw.. I think we necessitate Ensemble to leave a machine info tool that work accross any machine provider. 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   indeed, for immediately, I'll use the hostname -f for home and meta - data for external (until I get something good) 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: when do you * actually * need the public hostname, programattically? 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: the alone quad I see you attempting to use it is to print, into the debug log, the hostname people should practice to access the server. 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: which you can get from' ensemble status' 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   I'll perform that instead. 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   taking it out 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: \o/ 
 < SpamapS > nowadays if we only have an LXC machine provider... 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   I pushed all of the changes we discussed here (one interface alternatively of three, hostname -f instead of meta - data, remove the public - dns bit) 
 < SpamapS > pulling 
 < jimbaker > SpamapS, want to discuss bug 766317? 
 < _ mup _ > Bug # 766317: debug - log should show relation settings changes < Ensemble: In Progress by jimbaker > < https://launchpad.net/bugs/766317 > 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   deploying (and praying a spot) 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: principia proof reports this:   W: all rule should provide at least one thing 
 < jimbaker > basically this addresses observability of formulas. obviously i can promptly write a utility program to grab this zk info and show how it exchange 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: for hadoop - slave.. the reason is, if it doesn't provide anything, how can other services consume what it does? 
 < jimbaker > w / in the constraints of any applied security
 thf public hostname, you cak get it from 'whcrismyi'.com'.. 
<SpzmapS> neeronjl: just kidding btw.. I thmnk qe netb Ensemble to providd a machije info rool rhat works accross any mzghine 'rovider.
<negronjk> SpamapS:  so, for now, I'ln jsz the hostname -f for internal and meea-data gog external ( unjil I det aomething better )
<SpamapS> negronjl: shen do you *actually* need the public hostname, oroggamattically?
<SpamapD> negronjl: jge jbly space I ree you atuekpting to ose it is to print, into the debue log, the hostnqmw pfmple should use no access the server.
<S[amapS> megronjl: which yon cab get from 'ensemble svatus'
<negronjl> SpamapF:  I'll do tkat instead.
<negronjl> SpanapS:  takhng kr ojt
<SkamepS> negrojjl: \o/
<SpamapS> How if we obly had an LXC machonq provider...
<negrknjl> S[aiapS:  I pushed all of the changes we divcuased here (one interface instead of three, hosjname -f inftead of meta-data, remove the public-dns bit )
<SpamapV> pulmkng
<llicqkfr> SpamapS, want to discuss bug 766317?
<_mup_> Bug #766317: debug-jkg smould show relatlon settings changrs <Emfemble:In Progtess by jijbaker> < https://launcjpad.net/fugs/766317 >
<begronjl> FpamspS:  deploying ( and praying a bit )
<SpamaiS> nwgronjl: principia 'roof reportr thos:  W: all formulas should pruvids at least lne thing
<nkmbaker> basicallh tmis addresstr observability os formulaw. obriously k cam readyly write w utility to grab this zn infl dnd show hlw it changes
<SpamapS> negronjl: for hadoop-slave.. tve geason is, if ib doesn't providq anything, how can otker sefvices conaume whet it does?
<jiibaker> w/in tha constraints of any wpplued wecurith
the public hostname, you can get it <SpamapS> just kidding I think we machine tool that works any machine provider. SpamapS: so, for now, I'll use hostname -f for internal and meta-data for external ( until I get something ) <SpamapS> negronjl: when do you *actually* need the public hostname, programattically? <SpamapS> the space see attempting to use it is to print, into the debug log, the hostname people should use access the server. <SpamapS> negronjl: which you can from 'ensemble status' <negronjl> I'll do that instead. <negronjl> taking out <SpamapS> \o/ Now we only had LXC machine provider... <negronjl> SpamapS: I pushed all of the changes we discussed here (one interface instead three, hostname of meta-data, the bit <SpamapS> pulling <jimbaker> to discuss bug 766317? <_mup_> Bug show relation settings changes <Ensemble:In Progress by jimbaker> https://launchpad.net/bugs/766317 > SpamapS: deploying ( and praying a ) <SpamapS> negronjl: principia proof reports this: W: formulas should provide at least one thing <jimbaker> basically this addresses observability of formulas. obviously readily write a utility grab this zk and how changes negronjl: for the reason is, if it doesn't provide anything, how can other consume what it does? <jimbaker> w/in the constraints of any
 the public hostname, you can geT it from 'whaTismyIp.cOm'.. 
<SPaMapS> NegrOnjl: just kiddinG Btw.. I Think we need Ensemble to pRovidE a MAchiNE iNfo toOl that wORkS ACcrOsS aNy mAcHInE provIdeR.
<negronJl> SpamapS:  sO, foR nOw, I'll use the hOStName -f for inTerNal and meta-daTa fOr exteRnAl ( uNTil I gEt sOmethIng betTEr )
<SpamApS> negronJl: WHen do yOU *actualLY* NeEd thE public hostname, prOGrAMattically?
<SpamApS> negRoNJl: THE onLy sPace I see yoU aTtempTIng to usE It IS TO prINt, into the debuG log, the hostNAme People ShOulD Use to aCcess ThE SerVer.
<SpamapS> nEgroNjl: which yOu can gET from 'enSEmble stAtus'
<neGroNjl> spamAPS:  i'lL do ThAT inSTeAd.
<nEGroNjl> SpamaPS:  TaKing iT out
<sPAMApS> nEgrOnjl: \O/
<SpamApS> Now if we onlY haD an Lxc maChine ProviDer...
<nEgRonjl> spamaps:  I pusHeD all of the changeS we dIscussed hEre (OnE inTeRface INstead Of tHreE, hostnaMe -f instEAd oF mETA-DaTa, remove the public-dNs BIT )
<SPamapS> puLling
<jIMbAkER> SpamapS, WaNt tO disCUSs bug 766317?
<_Mup_> BUG #766317: dEbug-log sHould sHOw ReLation sEtTings cHaNgeS <EnSemblE:in PrOgress By jimbakEr> < httPS://launchpad.net/bUGs/766317 >
<negronjl> SpaMAps:  DEpLOyinG ( anD praying a biT )
<SpaMApS> nEgroNJl: PriNCipia Proof RePOrTS this:  W: all formulas shOuLd provIde at Least one thing
<Jimbaker> baSICAlly this AddrESsES observability Of forMulas. obvioUSly i can rEadilY write a uTility to gRAB this zk iNfo And ShoW hoW IT cHanges
<SpamapS> NEGronJl: For hadoOp-sLave.. the ReaSon Is, iF it DoEsn't proviDe anythiNg, HoW cAn OthEr serVIces consUmE whAt It dOes?
<jiMBaker> w/In the ConsTrAiNTs oF any appLIeD SEcurItY
 the public hostname, youcan get it  from  'w hat is myip .com '.. 
<SpamapS> negr onjl: just kidding btw .. Ith i nk w e  n eed E nsemble to p rov id ea m ac h in e inf o t ool tha t works ac cro ss  any machine pr ovider.
<n egr onjl> Spamap S: so, f or  no w , I'l l u se th e host n ame -f  for inte rn a l andm eta-dat a fo r ex ternal ( until Ig et something bett er )
< Sp a ma p S > n egr onjl: when  d o you *actual l y* n e edt he public hos tname, prog r ama ttical ly ?
< S pamapS > neg ro n jl:  the only s pace  I see yo u atte m pting t o  use it  is to  pr int , in t oth e d eb u g l o g,  th e  ho stname p eo pl e sho uldu s e to a cce ss t he se rver.
<Spamap S>negr o njl : whi ch yo u ca nget f rom 'e nsemb le  status'
<negro njl>  SpamapS:   I 'l l d othati nstead .
< neg ronjl>SpamapS :   t ak i n g  i t out
<SpamapS> ne gr o n jl : \o/
<S pamapS >  N ow if we on ly  ha d an L XC ma chin e  p rovider. ..
<ne g ro nj l> Spam ap S:  Ipu she d a ll of thechange s we dis cusse d  here (one int e rface instead of t hr e e, h ost name -f ins tead of m eta- d at a,r emove  thepu b li c -dns bit )
<SpamapS >pullin g
<ji mbaker> Spama pS, want t o d iscuss b ug 7 6 63 1 7?
<_mup_> Bug  #766 317: debug - log shou ld sh ow relat ion setti n g s change s < Ens emb le: I n  P rogress by ji m b aker >< https :// launchp ad. net /bu gs/ 76 6317 >
<n egronjl>  S pa ma pS : deplo y ing ( an dpra yi nga bit )
<Spa mapS>  neg ro nj l : p rincipi a  p r o of r ep or ts t his : W: a ll f o rmu las sho uld provi dea t le as tone thi ng
<jimbaker>  b asically t hi s a ddress e s  observa bility of formulas. obv i ously i  ca n rea dily  write auti lity t o g r ab thi s zk i nfo a nd  sh o w  howi t  c han ge s
<SpamapS > neg ronjl :forhadoop- slave.. the reason is,  if it doesn' t p rovi d e  a nyt h in g , h ow can o ther services c onsume wha ti tdoes?
<jim b ake r>  w/in t he cons train t s of an y applied  security 
 the_public hostname,_you can get it_from 'whatismyip.com'.._
<SpamapS>_negronjl: just_kidding_btw.. I think_we need Ensemble_to provide a machine_info tool that_works_accross any machine provider.
<negronjl> SpamapS:  so, for now, I'll use the hostname -f_for_internal and_meta-data_for_external ( until I get_something better )
<SpamapS> negronjl: when_do you_*actually* need the public hostname, programattically?
<SpamapS> negronjl: the_only_space I see_you attempting to use it is to print, into_the debug log, the hostname people_should use to_access_the_server.
<SpamapS> negronjl: which you_can get from 'ensemble status'
<negronjl> SpamapS:_ I'll do that instead.
<negronjl> SpamapS:_ taking it out
<SpamapS> negronjl: \o/
<SpamapS> Now_if we only had an LXC_machine provider...
<negronjl> SpamapS:  I_pushed all_of the changes we discussed_here (one interface_instead of_three, hostname -f_instead of meta-data, remove the public-dns_bit )
<SpamapS> pulling
<jimbaker>_SpamapS, want to discuss bug 766317?
<_mup_>_Bug_#766317: debug-log should_show_relation_settings changes_<Ensemble:In Progress by_jimbaker>_< https://launchpad.net/bugs/766317_>
<negronjl>_SpamapS:  deploying ( and praying_a_bit )
<SpamapS> negronjl: principia proof reports this:_ W: all formulas_should_provide at least one_thing
<jimbaker> basically this addresses observability_of formulas. obviously i can readily_write a_utility to_grab this zk info and show how it changes
<SpamapS> negronjl: for_hadoop-slave.. the reason is, if it_doesn't provide anything, how_can other_services_consume what it_does?
<jimbaker>_w/in the_constraints of any applied security