iemeyer: and why is that?
<niemeyer> kirkland: As you have noticed, these scripts are already far from pleasant overall
<negronjl> I'm looking for something similar to erb ( the ruby template thing ).  Is there anything that you guys currently use/recommend for ensemble formulas?
<niemeyer> kirkland: Involving additional locks for something that screen should do internally is what's sad
<m_3> negronjl: I think the idea is that things are flexible, so use any of them
<SpamapS> negronjl: I like augeas if the format is a common one (like ini files).. otherwise cheetah works.
<m_3> negronjl: we've got a tradeoff between creating examples that show that a user has options
<kirkland> niemeyer: would you prefer that I patched screen?
<m_3> negronjl: but not confuse them with too much noise
<SpamapS> negronjl: honestly though, if you like erb, use erb
<SpamapS> I'd actually say use whatever the most clear and simple thing is to read
<SpamapS> that may be where cheetah actually fails a bit. :-P
<negronjl> SpamapS:  in my formulas, can I add another directory either besides hooks or under hooks for my template files?
<niemeyer> kirkland: Yes, I'd certainly wish that screen implemented this logic by itself in a reliable way
<SpamapS> negronjl: yes the entire root of the formula is copied
<negronjl> SpamapS:  :D.. tomcat clustering here I come :)
<m_3> SpamapS: negronjl: lib!
<SpamapS> negronjl: you can send binaries, though it is, or at least will be, forbidden until we see a good reason for it. :)
<negronjl> SpamapS:  no binaries...just template files ( text files )
<niemeyer> kirkland: I don't know if you have seen the changeset that introduced the tmux/screen replacement
<kirkland> niemeyer: it
iemeyer: and why is that? 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: As you have noticed, these scripts are already far from pleasant overall 
 < negronjl > I'm looking for something similar to erb (the ruby template matter).   Is there anything that you guy currently use / recommend for ensemble formula? 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: involve additional locks for something that screen door should practice internally is what's sad 
 < m_3 > negronjl: I remember the idea is that things are compromising, so use any of them 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: I like augeas if the format is a coarse one (like ini file).. otherwise cheetah works. 
 < m_3 > negronjl: we've got a tradeoff between creating examples that prove that a user has options 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: would you choose that I patched screen? 
 < m_3 > negronjl: but not jumble them with too much randomness 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: honestly though, if you like erb, use erb 
 < SpamapS > I'd actually say use whatever the most clear and childlike thing is to read 
 < SpamapS > that may be where cheetah actually fails a bit. :-P 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   in my formulas, can I add another directory either besides hooks or under hooks for my template files? 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: Yes, I'd certainly wish that screen implemented this logic by itself in a reliable way 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: yes the entire root of the formula is copy 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   :D.. tomcat clustering here I do :) 
 < m_3 > SpamapS: negronjl: lib! 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: you can station binaries, though it is, or at least will be, forbidden until we see a effective reason for it. :) 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   no binaries... just template files (textbook files) 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: I don't know if you have seen the changeset that introduced the tmux / screen replacement 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: it
iemfyer: and why is that?
<niemtyer> kirkland: As ioy have noticsd, these scripts are already far frol pleasqnt overall
<negronjl> I'm looking vor somerhinj similar to erb ( the runv temlpate vhing ).  Is therg anything tvat you guys cgrfeutly use/recommend for ensemble formujas?
<niemryfr> kirkland: Indolvpnd adsptlonal locks for something that sdreen siould do internslly is what's sad
<m_3> negronjp: I hhink the idea is hhat things are dlexible, so jse any of them
<SpamapS> negronjl: I like augeas if the wormac is a commin onf (like ini fmles).. onherwise cheebsh worns.
<m_3> negtonjl: we've got a vradwoff between creating examples that shor that a gszr has options
<kirklane> biemeier: wmuld tou prtfec tgat I oatrhed screen?
<j_3> negronjl: vut not confuse thek rpyh too much hoise
<S[aiapS> negronjl: honestly though, if you line srb, use erb
<SpamapS> I'd axtually say use whateger the mjst clear and simple thing is to read
<SpamapS> that may ue whtrc zyeftah actually fails a bit. :-P
<negronjl> SpamapS:  yh ky formulas, can L add another direvtlru either besidgs hooks od under hooks for ly tempjate diles?
<niemtyer> lirkland: Yes, I'd certainly wush that scrven umplemented this llgic by itszlf in a rekiable way
<SpamapS> negroujl: yea the entirf root of ghe formula is cupivd
<necronjl> SkxmapS:  :D.. tomcat cjustering herz I come :)
<m_3> SkamapS: gegronjl: llb!
<SpamapS> negronjl: you cwn seud bitaries, thokgh it is, or at least will be, forbidden until wa sve a good reaspn for it. :)
<negwonjl> SpamapS:  no bincries...jjst templane files ( text files )
<niemeyer> kirnpand: I don't nnow if rou yave seen tfd changeset thst introdlctd the tmuz/screen replacemenb
<kirkuznd> niemeyer: it
iemeyer: and why is that? <niemeyer> kirkland: have these scripts already far from for similar to erb the ruby template ). Is there anything that you currently use/recommend for ensemble formulas? <niemeyer> kirkland: Involving additional locks for something that should do internally is what's sad <m_3> negronjl: I think the idea is things flexible, use of them <SpamapS> negronjl: I like augeas if the format is a common one (like ini otherwise cheetah works. <m_3> negronjl: we've got a between creating examples that that a user has options niemeyer: you prefer I screen? negronjl: but not them with too much noise <SpamapS> negronjl: honestly though, if you like erb, use erb <SpamapS> I'd say use most clear simple is read <SpamapS> that where cheetah actually fails a bit. in my formulas, can I add another directory besides hooks under hooks for my template files? kirkland: Yes, I'd certainly wish that screen implemented logic by itself in a reliable way <SpamapS> negronjl: yes the entire root of the copied <negronjl> SpamapS: :D.. clustering here I :) SpamapS: lib! negronjl: you send binaries, though it is, or at least will be, forbidden we see a good reason for it. :) <negronjl> SpamapS: template ( text files <niemeyer> kirkland: I don't if have seen the changeset the replacement
iemeyer: and why is that?
<niemeyEr> kirkland: as you HavE noTiCed, tHese Scripts are alreADy faR from pleasant overall
<neGronjL> I'M LookINg For soMething SImILAr tO eRb ( The RuBY tEmplaTe tHing ).  Is tHere anythiNg tHaT you guys currENtLy use/recomMenD for ensemble ForMulas?
<nIeMeyER> kirkLanD: InvoLving aDDitionAl locks foR sOMethinG That scrEEN sHoulD do internally is whAT's SAd
<m_3> negronjl: I thInk the IdEA iS THat ThiNgs are flexIbLe, so uSE any of tHEm
<sPAMaps> Negronjl: I like Augeas if the FOrmAt is a cOmMon ONe (like Ini fiLeS).. OthErwise cheetAh woRks.
<m_3> negroNjl: we'vE Got a traDEoff betWeen crEatIng ExamPLeS tHat ShOW thAT a UseR Has Options
<kIrKlAnd> niEmeyER: WOUld yOu pRefeR that i patched screeN?
<m_3> nEgroNJl: bUt not ConfuSe thEm With tOo much Noise
<spAmapS> negronjl: hoNestLy though, iF yoU lIke ErB, use eRB
<SpamaPS> I'D acTually sAy use whATevEr THE MoSt clear and simple thInG IS tO read
<SpaMapS> thAT mAy BE where chEeTah ActuALLy faiLs a bIT. :-P
<Negronjl> spamaps:  In My FormulaS, cAn I add AnOthEr dIrectORy eiTher beSides hooKs or uNDer hooks for my tEMplate files?
<niEMeYER> kIRklaNd: YEs, I'd certainLy wiSH thaT scrEEn ImpLEmentEd thiS lOGiC By itself in a reliable WaY
<SpamaPS> negRonjl: yes the enTire root of THE Formula iS copIEd
<NEgronjl> SpamapS:  :d.. tomcAt clusteriNG here I coMe :)
<m_3> SpAmapS: negRonjl: lib!
<SPAMapS> negrOnjL: yoU caN seND BiNaries, though iT IS, or aT lEast wilL be, ForbiddEn uNtiL we See A gOod reason For it. :)
<negRoNjL> SPaMaps:  no biNAries...jusT tEmpLaTe fIles ( tEXt fileS )
<niemEyer> KiRkLAnd: i don't knOW iF YOu haVe SeEn thE chAnGeset That INtrOduced tHe tmux/scrEen REplaCeMeNt
<kirklAnd> niemeyer: it
iemeyer: and why is that?<niemeyer>  kirk lan d:As  you  hav e noticed, the s e sc ripts are already farfrompl e asan t  o veral l
<negr o nj l >  I' mlo oki ng fo r som eth ing sim ilar to er b (  t he ruby temp l at e thing ).   I s there anyt hin g that  y oug uys c urr ently  use/r e commen d for ens em b le for m ulas?
< n i em eyer > kirkland: Invol v in g  additional lo cks fo rs om e t hin g t hat screen  s hould do inte r na l l y  is what's sad
<m _3> negronj l : I  think  t hei dea is  that  t h ing s are flexi ble,  so use a ny oft hem
<Sp a mapS> n egronj l:I l ikea ug ea s i ft hef or mat isa common  o ne  (lik e in i f i les) ..othe rwise  cheetah work s.<m_3 >  ne gronj l: we 'vego t a t radeof f bet we en creating exa mple s that sh owth atauserh as opt ion s
< kirklan d> niem e yer :w o u ld  you prefer that I  p a t ch ed scree n?
<m_ 3 >ne g ronjl: b ut  no t co n f use t hemw it h too mu ch noi s e<S pamapS>  n egronj l:  ho nes tly t h ough , if y ou likeerb,u se erb
<Spamap S > I'd actuall y  s a y  u s e wh ate ver the mos t cl e ar a nd s i mp let hingis to  r e ad <SpamapS> that maybe  where  chee tah actuallyfails a bi t . :-P
<neg ronj l >S pamapS:  in my  form ulas, canI  add ano therdirector y eitherb e sides ho oks  or  un der h oo ks for my tem p l atefi les?
<n iem eyer> k irk lan d:Yes ,I'd certa inly wis hth at  s cre en im p lemented  t his  l ogi c byi tselfin areli ab le way 
<Spama p S> n egro nj l:  yes  th eentir e ro o t o f the f ormula is  co p ied<n eg ronjl>SpamapS:  :D. .tomcat clu st eri ng her e I come : )
<m_3> SpamapS: negron j l: lib! 
<S pamap S> n egronjl:you  can s end binari es, th oughit  is , or at l ea stwi ll be, for b i dde n unt il  wesee a g ood reason for it. :)<negronjl> Sp ama pS:n obin a ri e s.. .j u stt e mplate files (text files  ) <n iemeyer> k i rkl an d: I do n't kno w ify ou have  seen the  changese tthat i ntr oduced the  tmux/sc reen repl a cemen t 
< kirkl and > niem ey er:  it
iemeyer: and_why is_that?
<niemeyer> kirkland: As you_have noticed,_these_scripts are_already_far from pleasant_overall
<negronjl> I'm looking_for something similar to_erb ( the_ruby_template thing ).  Is there anything that you guys currently use/recommend for ensemble_formulas?
<niemeyer>_kirkland: Involving_additional_locks_for something that screen should_do internally is what's sad
<m_3>_negronjl: I_think the idea is that things are flexible,_so_use any of_them
<SpamapS> negronjl: I like augeas if the format is_a common one (like ini files).._otherwise cheetah works.
<m_3>_negronjl:_we've_got a tradeoff between_creating examples that show that a_user has options
<kirkland> niemeyer: would you_prefer that I patched screen?
<m_3> negronjl: but_not confuse them with too much_noise
<SpamapS> negronjl: honestly though, if_you like_erb, use erb
<SpamapS> I'd actually_say use whatever_the most_clear and simple_thing is to read
<SpamapS> that may_be where cheetah_actually fails a bit. :-P
<negronjl> SpamapS:__in my formulas,_can_I_add another_directory either besides_hooks_or under_hooks_for my template files?
<niemeyer> kirkland: Yes,_I'd_certainly wish that screen implemented this logic_by itself in a_reliable_way
<SpamapS> negronjl: yes the_entire root of the formula_is copied
<negronjl> SpamapS:  :D.. tomcat_clustering here_I come_:)
<m_3> SpamapS: negronjl: lib!
<SpamapS> negronjl: you can send binaries, though it_is, or at least will be,_forbidden until we see_a good_reason_for it. :)
<negronjl>_SpamapS:_ no_binaries...just template files ( text files )
<niemeyer>_kirkland: I_don't know if you have seen_the changeset that introduced_the_tmux/screen replacement
<kirkland> niemeyer: it