<LaserJock> it seems people often do
<StevenK> I've gotten used to _source.changes that I nearly threw one to debian
<Q-FUNK> we should have source uploads too
<Q-FUNK> silly to upload binaries
<Q-FUNK> ubuntu sis the right thing on this one
<Q-FUNK> did...
<StevenK> I quite like source-only uploads. I'm not certain if it's the right thing for Debian.
<esaym> how do I use apt-get to only download a deb and not install it?  apt-get -d?
<Q-FUNK> it is.  too many packages get uploaded to debian as i386 binaries with incorrect dependencies that don't get fixed because there's not enough people on non-i386 to make it a priority for developers.
<Q-FUNK> or rather, with borken build-depends
<Hobbsee> esaym: yes.  man apt-get will tell you, as well
<StevenK> Fire RC-bugs at them. Failure to build on releaseable arches is RC.
<Q-FUNK> if they only allowed source builds, nobody gets the newest of whatever until it builds correctly on the buildd.
<Q-FUNK> it sure is, but I've seen cases where it doesn't get fixed.
<Q-FUNK> ermm.... source uploads
<StevenK> NMU?
<StevenK> Debian has procedures for this sort of thing
<Q-FUNK> some maintainers are known to revert NMU on their pcakages
<Q-FUNK> only allowing source uploads would add an extra safeguard that compels maintainers to fix their mess.
<StevenK> Or have them ignore it.
<Q-FUNK> not really.  if it doesn't build, it doesn't make it to unstable on any arch at all.
<esaym> Hobbsee:  I tried apt-get -d but got an error.  I am on dapper and I need to get the edgy xmms deb.  The link on ubuntu packages is down :(
<Q-FUNK> the traditional excuse with i386 uploads is that it works on i386, so it must be soe arch-specific bug. there.  
< LaserJock > it seems people often do 
 < StevenK > I've get exploited to _ source.changes that I nearly threw one to debian 
 < Q - FUNK > we should have informant uploads too 
 < Q - FUNK > silly to upload binary 
 < Q - FUNK > ubuntu ti the right matter on this one 
 < Q - FUNK > do... 
 < StevenK > I quite like source - alone uploads. I'm not certain if it's the right matter for Debian. 
 < esaym > how do I use apt - get to only download a deb and not install it?   apt - get -d? 
 < Q - FUNK > it is.   too many packages get uploaded to debian as i386 binary star with incorrect dependencies that don't get fixed because there's not adequate people on non - i386 to make it a precedence for developers. 
 < Q - FUNK > or quite, with borken build - depends 
 < Hobbsee > esaym: yes.   world apt - get will tell you, as well 
 < StevenK > Fire RC - bug at them. Failure to build on releaseable arches is RC. 
 < Q - FUNK > if they only allowed reservoir human body, nobody gets the newest of whatever until it builds correctly on the buildd. 
 < Q - FUNK > it sure is, but I've seen cases where it doesn't get fixed. 
 < Q - FUNK > ermm.... source upload 
 < StevenK > NMU? 
 < StevenK > Debian have procedures for this kind of matter 
 < Q - FUNK > some maintainers are known to revert NMU on their pcakages 
 < Q - FUNK > only allowing informant uploads would lend an extra safeguard that compel maintainers to fix their mess. 
 < StevenK > Or have them ignore it. 
 < Q - FUNK > not really.   if it doesn't build up, it doesn't make it to unstable on any arch at all. 
 < esaym > Hobbsee:   I tried apt - get -d but make an error.   I am on dapper and I necessitate to get the edgy xmms deb.   The link on ubuntu packages is down :( 
 < Q - FUNK > the traditional excuse with i386 uploads is that it works on i386, so it must be soe arch - specific hemipterous insect. there.
<LasfrJock> it seems people onten do
<StevenK> I'rw gottxn used to _sourze.changes that I nearly threx onw to eebian
<Q-FUNK> we should fave sourbe uploadw toi
<W-FUNK> sillb to upload bihwriev
<W-FUNK> ubuntu sls the righd thing on thiv unz
<Q-FUNK> did...
<StevenK> I quite like sourcq-only ulllads. I'm not cettain yf if's the right thing for Debian.
<esaym> how do I use apt-get to only download a deb anf noh install it?  apt-gft -d?
<Q-FUNK> ij is.  too many pazkages get uploaded to debian as i386 binaries with incofrect dependencuew tjdt don't get fixeq because thcge's not enough people on non-l386 to kakw it a priority for dxvelopers.
<Q-FUNK> or rajher, with toxken build-depends
<Hobbwew> esaim: yev.  mxb aot-gtt xilm tell yon, as well
<StsvenK> Fire EC-bugs at them. Failirq to build on deleasqafle arches is RC.
<Q-FUNK> if they only allofed source builds, nobody gwts the newest of whajever untij it builds correctly on the buildd.
<Q-FUNK> it sure hs, buv K've scen zqsfs where it doesn't get fixed.
<Q-FUNK> ermm.... source hpkosds
<StevenK> NMU?
<FtevenK> Deboaj nws procedures for tkjs sort of thing
<Q-FUNN> some iaintqiners art knoen to revert NMU on their pxakages
<Q-FUNK> inly allowing souree uploads wuuld add sn extra safeguard that comlels maintalners to rkx their mess.
<StexenL> Mr have ufem ignore it.
<Q-FUNH> not reaoly.  if it aoesm't buijd, it doesj't make it to unstable oj any asch at all.
<fsaym> Hobbsee:  I tried apt-get -d but got an ertor.  I am on dcpper snd I need to get the edgy rmms deb.  The link on uguntu peckages is djwn :(
<Q-FUNK> the jraditional eecuse witr i386 yploqds is gfat it works om i386, so it must be sie arch-specific bun. thete.  
<LaserJock> it seems people often do <StevenK> used _source.changes that nearly threw one have uploads too <Q-FUNK> to upload binaries ubuntu sis the right thing on one <Q-FUNK> did... <StevenK> I quite like source-only uploads. I'm not certain if the right thing for Debian. <esaym> how do I use apt-get to only a and install apt-get -d? <Q-FUNK> it is. too many packages get uploaded to debian as i386 binaries with dependencies that don't get fixed because there's not people on non-i386 to it a priority for developers. or with borken <Hobbsee> yes. apt-get will tell as well <StevenK> Fire RC-bugs at them. Failure to build on releaseable arches is RC. <Q-FUNK> if only allowed nobody gets newest whatever it builds correctly buildd. <Q-FUNK> it sure is, but where it doesn't get fixed. <Q-FUNK> ermm.... source <StevenK> NMU? Debian has procedures for this sort thing <Q-FUNK> some maintainers are known to revert on their pcakages <Q-FUNK> only allowing source uploads would add an extra safeguard that compels fix their mess. <StevenK> have them ignore <Q-FUNK> really. it build, it make it to unstable on any arch at all. <esaym> Hobbsee: tried apt-get -d but got an error. I am on I to get the xmms deb. The link ubuntu is down :( <Q-FUNK> excuse i386 it on so it must be arch-specific bug. there.
<LaserJock> it seems people oftEn do
<Stevenk> I've gOttEn uSeD to _sOurcE.changes that I nEArly Threw one to debian
<Q-FUNK> wE shouLd HAve sOUrCe uplOads too
<q-fUnk> SilLy To UplOaD BiNarieS
<Q-FuNK> ubunTu sis the riGht ThIng on this one
<q-fUnK> did...
<SteveNK> I Quite like souRce-Only upLoAds. i'M not cErtAin if It's the RIght thIng for DebIaN.
<Esaym> hOW do I use APT-gEt to Only download a deb aND nOT install it?  apt-gEt -d?
<Q-FUnK> IT iS.  TOo mAny Packages geT uPloadED to debiAN aS I386 BInaRIes with incorrEct dependenCIes That doN't Get FIxed beCause ThERe's Not enough peOple On non-i386 to mAke it a PRiority FOr develOpers.
<Q-fUNk> or RathER, wItH boRkEN buILd-DepENds
<hobbsee> eSaYm: Yes.  maN apt-GET WIll tEll You, aS well
<stevenK> Fire RC-BugS at tHEm. FAilurE to buIld oN rEleasEable aRches Is rC.
<Q-FUNK> if they onLy alLowed sourCe bUiLds, NoBody gETs the nEweSt oF whatevEr until IT buIlDS COrRectly on the buildd.
<Q-fUnk> It Sure is, buT I've seEN cAsES where it DoEsn'T get FIXed.
<Q-FuNK> eRMm.... Source upLoads
<STEvEnk> NMU?
<SteVeNK> DebiAn Has ProCedurES for This soRt of thinG
<Q-FUNk> Some maintainerS Are known to revERt nmu oN TheiR pcAkages
<Q-FUNK> Only ALlowIng sOUrCe uPLoads Would AdD An EXtra safeguard that coMpEls maiNtainErs to fix their Mess.
<Stevenk> oR Have them IgnoRE iT.
<q-FUNK> not really.  If it dOesn't build, IT doesn't mAke it To unstabLe on any arCH At all.
<esaYm> HObbSee:  i trIED aPt-get -d but got aN ERror.  i aM on dappEr aNd I need To gEt tHe eDgy XmMs deb.  The lInk on ubuNtU pAcKaGes Is dowN :(
<q-FUNK> the TrAdiTiOnaL excuSE with i386 UploaDs is ThAt IT woRks on i386, sO It MUSt be SoE aRch-sPecIfIc bug. TherE.  
<LaserJock> it seems peopl e often do 
<Ste ven K>I' ve g otte n used to _sou r ce.c hanges that I nearly t hrewon e  tod eb ian
< Q-FUNK> we s hou ld  h ave  s o ur ce up loa ds too<Q-FUNK> s ill yto upload bi n ar ies
<Q-FUN K>ubuntu sis t herightth ing on th isone
< Q-FUNK >  did.. .
<Steven K> I quit e  like s o u rc e-on ly uploads. I'm n o tc ertain if it's  the r ig h tt h ing  fo r Debian.<e saym> how doI  u s e apt - get to only d ownload a d e b a nd not  i nst a ll it?   apt -g e t - d?
<Q-FUNK>  itis.  toomany p a ckagesg et uplo aded t o d ebi an a s  i 38 6 b in a rie s  w ith inc orrect d ep en denci es t h a t don' t g et f ixedbecause there 'snote nou gh pe opleon n on -i386  to ma ke it  a  priority for d evel opers.
<Q -FU NK > o rrathe r , with  bo rke n build -depend s 
<H ob b s e e>  esaym: yes.  manap t - ge t will t ell yo u ,as well
<St ev enK > Fi r e  RC-b ugsa tthem. Fa iluret obu ild onre leasea bl e a rch es is RC.<Q-FUN K> if th ey on l y allowed sour c e builds, nob o dy g et s  the  ne west of wha teve r  unt il i t  b uil d s cor rectl yo nt he buildd.
<Q-FUNK>  i t sure  is,but I've seen  cases whe r e it doesn 't g e tf ixed.
<Q-FUNK>  ermm .... sourc e  uploads 
<Ste venK> NM U?
<Steve n K > Debian  ha s p roc edu r e sfor this sort o f th in g
<Q-FU NK>  some m ain tai ner s a re  known to  revertNM Uon  t hei r pca k ages
<Q- FU NK>  o nly  allo w ing so urceuplo ad sw oul d add a n  e x t ra s af eg uard  th at  comp elsm ain tainers  to fix t hei r  mes s. 
< StevenK > Or have the mignore it. 
< Q-F UNK> n o t  really.   if it doesn't build,i t doesn 'tmakeit t o unstabl e o n anyarc h  at al l.
<es aym>Ho bbs e e :  It r ie d a pt -get -d bu t got  an e rr or. I am o n dapper and I nee d  to  get the edgy  xm ms d e b . Th e  l i nkon ubu n t u packages is d own :(
<Q- FU N K>  the tradi t ion al  excuse  with i 386 u p loads i s that it  works on  i 386, s o i t must besoe arch -specific bug.t he re. 
<LaserJock> it_seems people_often do
<StevenK> I've gotten_used to__source.changes_that I_nearly_threw one to_debian
<Q-FUNK> we should_have source uploads too
<Q-FUNK>_silly to upload_binaries
<Q-FUNK>_ubuntu sis the right thing on this one
<Q-FUNK> did...
<StevenK> I quite like source-only uploads._I'm_not certain_if_it's_the right thing for Debian.
<esaym>_how do I use apt-get_to only_download a deb and not install it? _apt-get_-d?
<Q-FUNK> it is._ too many packages get uploaded to debian as_i386 binaries with incorrect dependencies that_don't get fixed_because_there's_not enough people on_non-i386 to make it a priority_for developers.
<Q-FUNK> or rather, with borken_build-depends
<Hobbsee> esaym: yes.  man apt-get will_tell you, as well
<StevenK> Fire RC-bugs_at them. Failure to build_on releaseable_arches is RC.
<Q-FUNK> if they_only allowed source_builds, nobody_gets the newest_of whatever until it builds correctly_on the buildd.
<Q-FUNK>_it sure is, but I've seen_cases_where it doesn't_get_fixed.
<Q-FUNK>_ermm.... source_uploads
<StevenK> NMU?
<StevenK> Debian_has_procedures for_this_sort of thing
<Q-FUNK> some maintainers are_known_to revert NMU on their pcakages
<Q-FUNK> only_allowing source uploads would_add_an extra safeguard that_compels maintainers to fix their_mess.
<StevenK> Or have them ignore it.
<Q-FUNK>_not really._ if_it doesn't build, it doesn't make it to unstable on any_arch at all.
<esaym> Hobbsee:  I_tried apt-get -d but_got an_error._ I am_on_dapper and_I need to get the edgy xmms_deb. _The link on ubuntu packages is_down :(
<Q-FUNK> the traditional_excuse_with i386 uploads is that it_works on i386, so it must_be soe arch-specific bug. there.__