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<dolzzzon> ohnett: I've had hardware that did not boot the live CD but took the install CD just fine.
<Mithrandir> minghua: it uses d-i as the backend, more or less.
<ohnett> Mithrandir: is there any difference between an ubuntu installed from the live cd and an ubuntu installed from the install cd (considering that the absolutely same packages are installed, of course)?
<Mithrandir> ohnett: no, there shouldn't be.  Any such disrepancies is a bug.
<ohnett> dolzzzon: is there any difference between an ubuntu installed from the live cd and an ubuntu installed from the install cd (considering that the absolutely same packages are installed, of course)?
<minghua> Mithrandir: oh thanks.  but I think my argument stands (there are quite a few languages are 100% translated in d-i)
<ohnett> dolzzzon: maybe it's just a bug, as it's quite early a feature
<ohnett> Mithrandir: then what is the advantage of the install cd over the live one?
<dolzzzon> ohnett: if I can't BOOT the Live CD to do the install, how can I FIX the problem once I get the base Ubuntu installed?
<ohnett> Mithrandir: doesn't this mean "they" will eventually drop the install cd?
<Mithrandir> ohnett: it's much easier to use when you don't have a mouse or don't have a monitor?
<Mithrandir> ohnett: who are those "they" you keep talking about?
<dolzzzon> ohnett: I'm talking about Breezy's Live CD. it did not boot on hardware the the installer worked on
<ohnett> Mithrandir: or, if not, what will encourage them not to?
<dolzzzon> I don't understand why we want to eliminate a text-based install. it's preferred by many people
<Mithrandir> ohnett: why?  The live installer won't support serial installs for instance.  It probably won't support netboot installs.  It doesn't do LVM, doesn't do lots of funky stuff which d-i does.
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 < dolzzzon > ohnett: I've had hardware that did not boot the live certificate of deposit but accept the install CD just fine. 
 < Mithrandir > minghua: it uses d - one as the backend, more or less. 
 < ohnett > Mithrandir: is there any difference between an ubuntu installed from the alive cd and an ubuntu install from the install cd (considering that the absolutely like software are installed, of class)? 
 < Mithrandir > ohnett: no, there shouldn't be.   Any such disrepancies is a bug. 
 < ohnett > dolzzzon: is there any difference between an ubuntu install from the hot cd and an ubuntu installed from the install cd (considering that the absolutely same packages are installed, of path)? 
 < minghua > Mithrandir: oh thanks.   but I think my argument stands (there exist quite a few languages are 100% translated in d - i) 
 < ohnett > dolzzzon: maybe it's merely a bug, as it's quite early a feature 
 < ohnett > Mithrandir: then what is the advantage of the install cd over the live one? 
 < dolzzzon > ohnett: if I can't BOOT the Live certificate of deposit to do the install, how can I FIX the problem once I get the base Ubuntu installed? 
 < ohnett > Mithrandir: doesn't this mean " they " will eventually drop the install cd? 
 < Mithrandir > ohnett: it's much easier to use when you don't have a mouse or don't have a monitor? 
 < Mithrandir > ohnett: who are those " they " you keep talk about? 
 < dolzzzon > ohnett: I'm talking about Breezy's Live compact disk. it did not boot on hardware the the installer work on 
 < ohnett > Mithrandir: or, if not, what will encourage them not to? 
 < dolzzzon > I don't understand why we want to rule out a text - based install. it's preferred by many people 
 < Mithrandir > ohnett: why?   The hot installer won't support serial installs for instance.   It probably won't support netboot installs.   It doesn't do LVM, doesn't act lots of funky stuff which d - i does. 
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<dolzzzon> ohnett: I'ye had hardware jhqt did not bkot the uive CD but took the install CE jusu fine.
<Mithrandir> mivghua: it lses d-i aw tht backend, more or less.
<ohncct> Mifmrandnr: is there any cifference between an ubgngu installed from the live cd and an tbuntu ondtalled from tre imftalm cd (considering that the absolutemy same packages are installed, of course)?
<Mithrajdir> ohnett: no, there sjouldn't be.  Any wuch disrepavcies is a bug.
<ohnett> dklzzzon: is there any difference betwzen an ubunjb indjalled from vhe line cd and an mnuntu hnstallrd from the inxtanl xd (considering that tie absolutely same pwckages ase installed, of couesw)?
<mingvua> Kithfqndkr: kh tganks.  buv I think mg argument wtands (there are quotq a few languafes arq 100% translated in d-i)
<ohnett> dolzzzon: maybe pt's nust a bug, as it's quite early a feature
<ohnetj> Mithrandyr: then what is the advantage of the install cd oeer tie lirc ube?
<folzzzon> ohnett: if I can't BOOT the Live CD to so tme install, how ccn I FIX the pronlfm jnce I get thg base Bguhtu installed?
<ohneth> Mithrwndir: doesn't tris kean "they" will eventually deop the instcll cd?
<Mithrandir> ohnect: it's much zasier to uxe when you don't have a mouae or don't jave a mohktor?
<Mithrandir> ofnent: wvo are those "they" you keep talking ebout?
<bolzzzon> ohngtt: I'm ealking ablut Bvaezy's Live CD. it dld noj boot on hardwage the the installer worked on
<oiiett> Mithrandor: or, if not, chat wlll encourage trem not to?
<dolzezon> I dou't unddrstand whj we want to eliminaee a text-baseg install. it's preferrqd bt maby peopud
<Mithrandir> ohmett: why?  The live unstaller won't supiort rsrial installs yut instance.  It lrocabjy wpn'e support nettoot inryalls.  It dotfn'b du LVK, doesn't do lots of xunkg stuff which d-i dpef.
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<dolzzzon> ohnett: I've Had hardwarE that Did Not BoOt thE livE CD but took the iNStalL CD just fine.
<Mithrandir> mInghuA: iT Uses D-I aS the bAckend, mORe OR LesS.
<oHnEtt> miTHrAndir: Is tHere any Difference BetWeEn an ubuntu inSTaLled from thE liVe cd and an ubuNtu InstalLeD frOM the iNstAll cd (ConsidERing thAt the absoLuTEly samE PackageS ARe InstAlled, of course)?
<MithRAnDIr> ohnett: no, therE shoulDn'T Be.  aNY suCh dIsrepancieS iS a bug.
<OHnett> doLZzZON: Is tHEre any differeNce between aN UbuNtu insTaLleD From thE live Cd ANd aN ubuntu instAlleD from the iNstall CD (considERing thaT the abSolUteLy saME pAcKagEs ARe iNStAllED, of Course)?
<miNgHuA> MithRandIR: OH ThanKs.  bUt I tHink mY argument stanDs (tHere ARe qUite a Few laNguaGeS are 100% tRanslaTed in D-i)
<Ohnett> dolzzzon: mAybe It's just a bUg, aS iT's qUiTe earLY a featUre
<OhnEtt> MithRandir: tHEn wHaT IS ThE advantage of the insTaLL Cd Over the lIve one?
<DOlZzZOn> ohnett: If i caN't BOot The LiVe CD TO dO the instAll, how CAn i FiX the prObLem oncE I Get The Base UBUntu InstalLed?
<ohnetT> MithRAndir: doesn't thiS Mean "they" will eVEnTUAlLY droP thE install cd?
<MIthrANdir> OhneTT: iT's mUCh easIer to UsE WhEN you don't have a mouse oR dOn't havE a monItor?
<MithrandiR> ohnett: who ARE Those "theY" you KEeP Talking about?
<doLzzzoN> ohnett: I'm tALking aboUt BreEzy's Live cD. it did noT BOot on harDwaRe tHe tHe iNSTaLler worked on
<oHNEtt> MItHrandir: Or, iF not, whaT wiLl eNcoUraGe Them not to?
<Dolzzzon> i dOn'T uNdErsTand wHY we want tO eLimInAte A text-BAsed inStall. It's pReFeRRed By many pEOpLE
<mithRaNdIr> ohNetT: wHy?  The Live INstAller woN't support SerIAl inStAlLs for inStance.  It probaBlY won't suppoRt NetBoot inSTAlls.  It doEsn't do LVM, doesn't do lots of FUnky stuFf wHich d-I doeS.
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<dolzzzon> ohne tt: I've h ad ha rdw are  t hatdidnot boot the l i ve C D but took the install  CD j us t  fin e .<Mith randir> mi n g hua :it  us es d- i asthe  backen d, more or  le ss .
<ohnett> M i th randir: is  th ere any diff ere nce be tw een an ub unt u ins talled from t he live c da nd anu buntu i n s ta lled  from the install cd (considering t hat th ea bs o l ute lysame packa ge s are install e d, o f  co u rse)?
<Mithra ndir> ohnet t : n o, the re  sh o uldn't  be. A n y s uch disrepa ncie s is a bu g.
<oh n ett> do l zzzon:is the reany  dif f er en cebe t wee n  a n u b unt u instal le dfromthel i v e  cdand  anubunt u installed f rom  the ins tallcd (c onsi de ringthat t he ab so lutely same pac kage s are ins tal le d,of  cour s e)?
<m ing hua > Mithr andir:o h t ha n k s . but I think my ar gu m e nt  stands(there ar eq uite a f ew  la ngua g e s are  100 %  t ranslate d in d - i) 
< ohnett>  d olzzzo n:  ma ybe  it's just  a bug , as it' s qui t e early a feat u re
<ohnett> M i th r a nd i r: t hen  what is th e ad v anta ge o f  t hei nstal l cdov e rt he live one?
<dolzz zo n> ohn ett:if I can't BO OT the Liv e C D to dothei ns t all, how can I  FIXthe proble m  once Iget t he baseUbuntu in s t alled?
< ohn ett > M ith r a nd ir: doesn't t h i s me an  "they"  wi ll even tua lly  dr opth e install  cd?
<Mi th ra nd ir > o hnett :  it's mu ch  ea si erto us e  whenyou d on't  h av e  amouse o r  d o n 't h av ea mo nit or ?
<Mi thra n dir > ohnet t: who ar e t h ose"t he y" youkeep talkingab out?
<dolz zz on>  ohnet t :  I'm tal king about Breezy's Liv e  CD. it  di d not  boo t on hard war e thethe instal ler wo rkedon 
<o h n ett>M i th ran di r: or, ifn o t,whatwi ll e ncourag e them not to?
<do l zzz on> I don't u nde rsta n d  w hyw ew ant  t o  el i m inate a text-ba sed instal l. it 's preferr e d b ymany pe ople
<M ithra n dir> oh nett: why ?  The li ve  ins t a lle r won't su pport se rial inst a lls f o rinsta nce .  Itpr oba bly w on't s u ppo rt ne tbootin stalls .  It  d oesn't d o LVM, doesn't do lotsof fun ky st uff  which d- i d o es. 
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<dolzzzon> ohnett:_I've had hardware that_did not_boot_the live_CD_but took the_install CD just_fine.
<Mithrandir> minghua: it uses_d-i as the_backend,_more or less.
<ohnett> Mithrandir: is there any difference between an ubuntu installed from the_live_cd and_an_ubuntu_installed from the install cd_(considering that the absolutely same_packages are_installed, of course)?
<Mithrandir> ohnett: no, there shouldn't be.__Any such disrepancies_is a bug.
<ohnett> dolzzzon: is there any difference between_an ubuntu installed from the live_cd and an_ubuntu_installed_from the install cd_(considering that the absolutely same packages_are installed, of course)?
<minghua> Mithrandir: oh_thanks.  but I think my argument_stands (there are quite a few_languages are 100% translated in_d-i)
<ohnett> dolzzzon:_maybe it's just a bug,_as it's quite_early a_feature
<ohnett> Mithrandir: then_what is the advantage of the_install cd over_the live one?
<dolzzzon> ohnett: if I_can't_BOOT the Live_CD_to_do the_install, how can_I_FIX the_problem_once I get the base Ubuntu_installed?
<ohnett>_Mithrandir: doesn't this mean "they" will eventually_drop the install cd?
<Mithrandir>_ohnett:_it's much easier to_use when you don't have_a mouse or don't have a_monitor?
<Mithrandir> ohnett:_who are_those "they" you keep talking about?
<dolzzzon> ohnett: I'm talking about Breezy's_Live CD. it did not boot_on hardware the the_installer worked_on
<ohnett>_Mithrandir: or, if_not,_what will_encourage them not to?
<dolzzzon> I don't understand_why we_want to eliminate a text-based install._it's preferred by many_people
<Mithrandir>_ohnett: why?  The live installer_won't support serial installs for instance._ It probably won't support_netboot_installs._ It doesn't do LVM,_doesn't do lots of funky stuff_which d-i does.
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