 Python modules team and can get stuff reviewed and uploaded through mentors much like I do here through REVU.
<ScottK> sabdfl: I'm the upstream for several of the packages I've brought here through the REVU process and I feel plenty connected.
<sistpoty> sorry, offline right now... my family just arrived at my door... bbl
<ScottK> sabdfl: Upon reflection, I believe that your proposal will reduce upstream connection to Ubuntu, not increase it.
<sabdfl> ScottK: how is that?
<ScottK> By giving people limited upload rights for the packages they are concerned about, they can get their stuff into Ubuntu without any community involvement.
<ScottK> In the long run, they are less connected to the community, not more.
<ScottK> There's no joining incentive.
<ScottK> You get more of their stuff into Ubuntu, but they have no need to be connected to the community.
<ScottK> How committed are they going to be to maintaining these packages then?
<ScottK> Who's going to get stuck with it?
<sabdfl> good point
<sabdfl> we could connect that upload right to continued participation in the community
<sabdfl> take the beryl guys
<sabdfl> it's not quinn here, but lupine_85 and pricechild
<sabdfl> they are specifically working on *ubuntu* packages
<sabdfl> but not in ubuntu
<sabdfl> their primary interest is in beryl 
<sabdfl> for them, ubuntu is a way to get wider testing and insight
<ScottK> OK.  So they upload them to REVU and two MOTU's look at them.  If they're good, then they go in.  How hard is that?
<sabdfl> of course, we want them to understand how they fit in
<sabdfl> ScottK: it creates an opportunity for the ball to be dropped
<geser> I also fear that people get to focused on their packages and ignore the rest and don't try to become real motus
<sabdfl> i think some percentage of the upstreams who do this will infact want to get more involved
<ScottK> I understand where
Python modules team and can get stuff reviewed and upload through mentor a lot like I do here through REVU. 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: I'm the upstream for several of the packages I've bring here through the REVU process and I feel enough connected. 
 < sistpoty > sorry, offline right nowadays... my family just arrive at my door... bbl 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: Upon reflection, I think that your proposal will reduce upstream connection to Ubuntu, not increase it. 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: how is that? 
 < ScottK > By giving people limited upload rights for the package they are concerned about, they can get their stuff into Ubuntu without any residential district involvement. 
 < ScottK > In the long political campaign, they are less connected to the residential district, not more. 
 < ScottK > There's no joining bonus. 
 < ScottK > You get more of their stuff into Ubuntu, but they have no need to be associate to the community. 
 < ScottK > How committed are they going to be to maintaining these packages then? 
 < ScottK > Who's go to get stuck with it? 
 < sabdfl > good point 
 < sabdfl > we could connect that upload right to continued participation in the community 
 < sabdfl > take the beryl guys 
 < sabdfl > it's not quinn here, but lupine_85 and pricechild 
 < sabdfl > they are specifically ferment on * ubuntu * packages 
 < sabdfl > but not in ubuntu 
 < sabdfl > their primary pastime is in beryl 
 < sabdfl > for them, ubuntu is a direction to get wider testing and penetration 
 < ScottK > OK.   So they upload them to REVU and two MOTU's expression at them.   If they're good, then they go in.   How heavily is that? 
 < sabdfl > of course, we want them to understand how they fit in 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: it creates an opportunity for the ball to be dropped 
 < geser > I also fear that people get to focused on their packages and dismiss the rest and don't try on to become real motus 
 < sabdfl > i think some percentage of the upstreams who do this will infact want to have more involved 
 < ScottK > I understand where
 Pyhhon modules team and cak get stuff revigwwd and uploased throjgh mentors much like I do hxre rhrouth REVU.
<ScottK> sabdfl: I'o the upsnream for sevtral of the packajss I've nxoughf herz vhrough the REVO process ang I feel plentf zounected.
<sistpoty> sorry, offline right gow... my galily just arrided se my door... bbl
<ScottK> sabdfl: Upon reflecfion, I uelieve that yoir proposal will reduce updtrewm connection to Uhuntu, not ibcrewwe it.
<sabdfl> RcottK: how is that?
<ScotjK> By giving people limited uploxd riyhts for thg lafnages they ere cogcerned aboub, they wan get their stuff ikto Uuunty without any communivy involvement.
<ScottK> In the lmny run, they are less cinbecteg to the xomounjtb, nkt morf.
<SckttK> There'a no joinint incentive.
<ScottK> Ypu tet more of tgeir seusf into Ubuntu, but they have no need to be connected to the commubity.
<ScottK> How commitjed are thqy going to be to maintaining these packages then?
<VcottI> Whi's eiijg to get stuck with it?
<sabdfl> good point
<sabdfj> wt cpuld connect tmat upload right tp fomjinued particikation nh fhe community
<sabdfp> take jhe beeyl guys
<swbdfk> it's not quinn here, but lupine_85 and pribechuld
<sabdfl> they are specificaluy wprkinb on *ubuntu* packages
<sabbfl> buf not in ubkntu
<sabdfm> their primary ivtegest is in btfyl 
<sabdfl> for thqm, ubuntu is c way to get wider testing ajd insight
<ScottK> OK.  So hhey opload them to RFVU and two MOTU's look at them.  If they're gooc, dhet they gj in.  How hard is ehat?
<sabdfl> of eourse, wz want them to uhderstaid how they sit in
<sabdfl> VfottK: it creetes an o[porruniry for gfe ball to be cropped
<geser> I also fear that people net tu focused on thenx kaxkages and ignpre thq gesv and gon't try to tecooe fral mutus
<sabdfl> l tfink some percentage of dhe hpstreams who do tnif will ibfact wagt to get morr involved
<ScottK> I undecstand wherr
Python modules team and can get stuff uploaded mentors much I do here the for several of packages I've brought through the REVU process and I plenty connected. <sistpoty> sorry, offline right now... my family just arrived at my bbl <ScottK> sabdfl: Upon reflection, I believe that your proposal will reduce upstream to not it. ScottK: how is that? <ScottK> By giving people limited upload rights for the packages they are about, they can get their stuff into Ubuntu any community involvement. <ScottK> the long run, they are connected the community, more. There's joining incentive. <ScottK> get more of their stuff into Ubuntu, but they have no need to be connected to the <ScottK> How they going be maintaining packages then? <ScottK> to get stuck with it? <sabdfl> we could connect that upload right to continued in the <sabdfl> take the beryl guys <sabdfl> not quinn here, but lupine_85 and pricechild <sabdfl> are specifically working on *ubuntu* packages <sabdfl> but not in ubuntu <sabdfl> their primary interest beryl <sabdfl> for them, is a way get testing insight OK. So upload them to REVU and two MOTU's look at them. If good, then they go in. How hard is that? <sabdfl> we them to understand they fit in <sabdfl> it an opportunity for the be <geser> that get focused on their packages ignore the rest and don't to become real motus of the upstreams who do this will infact to get more involved <ScottK> I understand
 Python modules team and can geT stuff reviEwed aNd uPloAdEd thRougH mentors much liKE I do Here through REVU.
<ScottK> sAbdfl: i'm THe upSTrEam foR severaL Of THE paCkAgEs I'Ve BRoUght hEre Through The REVU proCesS aNd I feel plentY CoNnected.
<sisTpoTy> sorry, offliNe rIght noW... mY faMIly juSt aRriveD at my dOOr... bbl
<SCottK> sabdFl: uPon refLEction, I BELiEve tHat your proposal wiLL rEDuce upstream coNnectiOn TO UBUNtu, Not Increase it.
<SaBdfl> SCOttK: how IS tHAT?
<scoTTK> By giving peoPle limited uPLoaD rightS fOr tHE packaGes thEy ARe cOncerned aboUt, thEy can get tHeir stUFf into UBUntu witHout anY coMmuNity INvOlVemEnT.
<scoTTK> in tHE loNg run, theY aRe Less cOnneCTED To thE coMmunIty, noT more.
<ScottK> ThEre'S no jOIniNg incEntivE.
<ScoTtk> You gEt more Of theIr Stuff into Ubuntu, But tHey have no NeeD tO be CoNnectED to the ComMunIty.
<ScotTK> How coMMitTeD ARE tHey going to be to mainTaINInG these paCkages THeN?
<SCOttK> Who's GoIng To geT STuck wIth iT?
<SaBdfl> good Point
<sABdFl> We could CoNnect tHaT upLoaD righT To coNtinueD particiPatioN In the community
<SAbdfl> take the bERyL GUyS
<SabdFl> iT's not quinn hEre, bUT lupIne_85 aND pRicEChild
<SabdfL> tHEy ARe specifically workiNg On *ubunTu* pacKages
<sabdfl> buT not in ubunTU
<SAbdfl> theIr prIMaRY interest is in bEryl 
<sAbdfl> for thEM, ubuntu iS a way To get widEr testing AND insight
<scoTtK> oK.  SO thEY UpLoad them to REVu ANd twO MoTU's looK at Them.  If tHey'Re gOod, TheN tHey go in.  HoW hard is tHaT?
<sAbDfL> of CoursE, We want thEm To uNdErsTand hOW they fIt in
<sAbdfL> SCoTTK: iT createS An OPPortUnItY for The BaLl to bE droPPed
<Geser> I aLso fear thAt pEOple GeT tO focuseD on their packaGeS and ignore ThE reSt and dON'T try to beCome real motus
<sabdfl> i thiNK some peRceNtage Of thE upstreamS whO do thiS wiLL infacT want tO get mOrE inVOLved
<SCOTtk> I uNdErstand wheRE
 Python modules team and c an get stu ff re vie wed  a nd u ploa ded through me n tors  much like I do here t hroug hR EVU. <S cottK > sabdf l :I ' m t he  u pst re a mfor s eve ral ofthe packag esI' ve brought h e re  through t heREVU process  an d I fe el  pl e nty c onn ected .
<sis t poty>sorry, of fl i ne rig h t now.. . my  fam ily just arriveda tm y door... bbl<Scott K> sa b d fl:  Up on reflect io n, Ib elievet ha t y our proposal will  reduce ups t rea m conn ec tio n  to Ub untu,  n o t i ncrease it. 
<sa bdfl> Sco ttK: h o w is th a t?
<Sco ttK> B y g ivi ng p e op le  li mi t edu pl oad rig hts forth epacka gest h e y  are  co ncer ned a bout, they ca n g et t h eir  stuf f int o Ub un tu wi thoutany c om munity involvem ent. 
<ScottK>  In  t helo ng ru n , they  ar e l ess con nectedt o t he c o mm unity, not more.
< Sc o t tK > There' s no j o in in g  incenti ve .
< Scot t K > You  get mo re of th eir st u ff  i nto Ubu nt u, but  t hey  ha ve no need  to be  connect ed to the community. <ScottK> Howc om m i tt e d ar e t hey going t o be to m aint a in ing these  pack ag e st hen?
<ScottK> Who's  g oing t o get  stuck with i t?
<sabdfl > g ood poin t
<s a bd f l> we could co nnect  that uplo a d rightto co ntinuedparticipa t i on in th e c omm uni ty< s ab dfl> take the b eryl  g uys
<sa bdf l> it's  no t q uin n h er e, but lu pine_85an dpr ic ech ild
< s abdfl> t he y a re  sp ecifi c ally w orkin g on  * ub u ntu * packa g es < sabd fl >butnot  i n ubu ntu< sab dfl> th eir prima ryi nter es tis in b eryl 
<sabdfl >for them,ub unt u is a w ay to ge t wider testing and ins i ght
<Sc ott K> OK .  S o they up loa d them  to REVU a nd two  MOTU 's  lo o k  at t h e m.   I fthey're go o d , t hen t he y go  in.  H ow hard is that?
< s abd fl> of course , w e wa n t  t hem to und er s tan d how they fit in 
<sabdfl>Sc o tt K: it crea t esan  opport unity f or th e  ball t o be drop ped
<gese r>  I a l s o f ear that p eople ge t to focu s ed on th eir p ack ages a nd  ig norethe re s t a nd do n't tr yto bec ome r ea l motus<sabdfl> i think some p ercent age o f t he upstre ams who  do thiswill  infact wa nttoget m ore invol ved< Sc ott K > I u nder s tand wher e 
 Python_modules team_and can get stuff_reviewed and_uploaded_through mentors_much_like I do_here through REVU.
<ScottK>_sabdfl: I'm the upstream_for several of_the_packages I've brought here through the REVU process and I feel plenty connected.
<sistpoty> sorry,_offline_right now..._my_family_just arrived at my door..._bbl
<ScottK> sabdfl: Upon reflection, I_believe that_your proposal will reduce upstream connection to Ubuntu,_not_increase it.
<sabdfl> ScottK:_how is that?
<ScottK> By giving people limited upload rights_for the packages they are concerned_about, they can_get_their_stuff into Ubuntu without_any community involvement.
<ScottK> In the long_run, they are less connected to_the community, not more.
<ScottK> There's no joining_incentive.
<ScottK> You get more of their_stuff into Ubuntu, but they_have no_need to be connected to_the community.
<ScottK> How_committed are_they going to_be to maintaining these packages then?
<ScottK>_Who's going to_get stuck with it?
<sabdfl> good point
<sabdfl>_we_could connect that_upload_right_to continued_participation in the_community
<sabdfl>_take the_beryl_guys
<sabdfl> it's not quinn here, but_lupine_85_and pricechild
<sabdfl> they are specifically working on_*ubuntu* packages
<sabdfl> but not_in_ubuntu
<sabdfl> their primary interest_is in beryl 
<sabdfl> for_them, ubuntu is a way to_get wider_testing and_insight
<ScottK> OK.  So they upload them to REVU and two_MOTU's look at them.  If_they're good, then they_go in.__How hard is_that?
<sabdfl>_of course,_we want them to understand how they_fit in
<sabdfl>_ScottK: it creates an opportunity for_the ball to be_dropped
<geser>_I also fear that people get_to focused on their packages and_ignore the rest and don't_try_to_become real motus
<sabdfl> i think_some percentage of the upstreams who_do this will_infact want to get more involved
<ScottK> I_understand_where