
<jtaylor> I'm sure to forget it if I dont have it my rc :/
<tumbleweed> how about running linux32 inside the chroot? it lets you specify a wrapper, doesn' tit?
<jtaylor> ok so I think I fixed scilab
<jtaylor> but thing of the port is ugly but only required for matlab 4 (from 1994)
<jtaylor> doing it properly probably needs change of api so should be done by upstream
<jtaylor> acceptable for raring for now I think
<tumbleweed> yay?
<foxx> question, does anyone else feel that bugs.launchpad.net is really unusable, in comparison with something like github? obviously, they have two very different end goals, but launchpad feels very messy imho
<hyperair> foxx: i don't. in fact, i feel github issues are really messy and unusable.
<hyperair> for one, it doesn't have any proper support for setting bug severities -- it only has tags.
<hyperair> what exactly is unusable about bugs.launchpad.net anyway?
<foxx> that's a good point.. the lack of in-depth issue tracking / severities. but tags can be used to some extent to replace that.. (obviously in a VERY basic format.. no where near suitable for any larger scale project)
<maxb> Launchpad is aimed at the complexities and nuances of projects as complicated as a whole Linux distribution. Github's issue tracker..... isn't, and it really shows
<foxx> i think the issues page on github is great for small one off projects.. anything else larger, i persnally use JIRA
<hyperair> JIRA actually looks pretty okay
<hyperair> i haven't used it personally though. only poked the REST api
<foxx> its great, but managing it is almost a full time job in itself
<foxx> very quickly becomes a monster etc
<hyperair> ugh.
<hyperair> how about something like redmine?
<foxx> hyperair: to answer your question tho, i found just browsing launchpad troublesome.. there's a *lot* of links all over the place, no consistent font sizes / layout etc
<hyperair> no consistent font sizes? where?
<foxx> imo, the feature set
< jtaylor > I'm sure to forget it if I do nt have it my rc :/ 
 < tumbleweed > how about running linux32 inside the chroot? it lets you intend a wrap, doesn' tit? 
 < jtaylor > ok so I think I fasten scilab 
 < jtaylor > but thing of the port is surly but only required for matlab 4 (from 1994) 
 < jtaylor > act it properly probably need change of api so should be suffice by upstream 
 < jtaylor > acceptable for raring for now I think 
 < tumbleweed > yay? 
 < foxx > question, does anyone else feel that bugs.launchpad.net is truly unusable, in comparison with something like github? obviously, they have two very different conclusion goals, but launchpad feels very messy imho 
 < hyperair > foxx: i don't. in fact, i find github issues are really messy and unusable. 
 < hyperair > for one, it doesn't have any proper support for set bug severities -- it only has tags. 
 < hyperair > what precisely is unusable about bugs.launchpad.net anyway? 
 < foxx > that's a good point.. the lack of in - depth issue tracking / severities. but tags can be used to some extent to supplant that.. (obviously in a VERY basic format.. no where near suitable for any larger plate undertaking) 
 < maxb > Launchpad is aimed at the complexities and nuances of projects equally complicated as a whole Linux distribution. Github's topic tracker..... isn't, and it really shows 
 < foxx > i remember the issues page on github is great for small one off projects.. anything else larger, i persnally use JIRA 
 < hyperair > JIRA actually looks pretty okay 
 < hyperair > i haven't used it personally though. only intrude the remainder api 
 < foxx > its great, but managing it is almost a full time caper in itself 
 < foxx > very quickly becomes a monster etc 
 < hyperair > ugh. 
 < hyperair > how about something like redmine? 
 < foxx > hyperair: to suffice your question tho, i establish just browsing launching pad troublesome.. there's a * lot * of links all over the place, no consistent baptismal font sizes / layout etc 
 < hyperair > no consistent font sizes? where? 
 < foxx > imo, the feature adjust

<jtajlor> I'm sure to forget iu if I dont have nr my rr :/
<tumblsweed> hod about running linux32 inside tye cheoot? it lets you speciwy a wrapier, doesn' tit?
<otaylor> ok so I vgink I nnxed agilab
<lteylor> but thing of the post is ugly but ovlv required for matlab 4 (from 1994)
<jtaylor> qoing iy oroperly probafly mqeds bhcnge of api so should be done bg upstrtam
<jtaylor> acceptanle for raring for now I tjink
<humbleweed> yay?
<foxx> question, dies wbyone else fdel that blys.launchpad.het is really unusable, in compafison with somejkung nike github? obvijusly, they have two eery digferent end gosls, bur launchpad feels verb messy imho
<hyperair> foxx: i dmn'c. in fact, i feel githyb issugs ara rexoly measb ahd unudabme.
<hyperair> for one, it doesn't have any prppqg support for settigg bug severities -- it only has tags.
<hyperapr> wgat exactly is unusable about bugs.launchpad.ngt anyway?
<fjxx> that's a good point.. the lack of in-depth issue drackmne / weyerigued. but tags can be used to some extent to replwde tmat.. (obviously in a VERY basoc fptmat.. no where vear sbjtzble for any largeg scale projwct)
<maxb> Lwuncnpad is aimed at the complezities and nlancws of projects as eomplicated cs a wnole Kinux distribution. Githbb's isaue tracker..... isn't, and kt really shows
<fuxx> i think the issues page on dithub is grect for soall one osf projectd.. anybving else larger, i persually use JIRA
<hjperair> JIRA actually looks prevvy okay
<hyperaor> i vaven't ufed ib personally thjugh. only pokeb the REFT apk
<foxx> its freat, bnt managing yt is almost d full time jmb in itfelf
<doxx> very qjkckly becomes s monster etc
<hyperaur> ugh.
<hyperair> how abuht something lije twdmine?
<foxx> hyprrakr: eo aiswer four questiot thu, i gound just browslng laumchpad troublesome.. tvere'a a *lot* of links akl over thg place, nj consistent gont sizes / layout etc
<hbperaic> no cpnsystent font sizes? where?
<foxx> imk, the feahurc set
<jtaylor> I'm sure to forget it if have my rc <tumbleweed> how about it you specify a doesn' tit? <jtaylor> so I think I fixed scilab but thing of the port is ugly but only required for matlab 4 1994) <jtaylor> doing it properly probably needs change of api so should be by <jtaylor> for for now I think <tumbleweed> yay? <foxx> question, does anyone else feel that bugs.launchpad.net is really in comparison with something like github? obviously, they two very different end but launchpad feels very messy <hyperair> i don't. fact, feel issues are really and unusable. <hyperair> for one, it doesn't have any proper support for setting bug severities -- it has tags. exactly is about anyway? that's a good lack of in-depth issue tracking / can be used to some extent to replace (obviously in VERY basic format.. no where near for any larger scale project) <maxb> Launchpad is at the complexities and nuances of projects as complicated as a whole Linux distribution. Github's isn't, and it really <foxx> i think issues on is for small off projects.. anything else larger, i persnally use JIRA <hyperair> JIRA looks pretty okay <hyperair> i haven't used it personally though. the api <foxx> its but managing it is a time job in itself quickly a ugh. how something like redmine? <foxx> to answer your question tho, found just browsing launchpad links all over the place, no consistent font / layout etc <hyperair> no consistent font where? <foxx> imo, the feature set

<jtaylor> I'm sure to forget it if i dont have iT my rc :/
<TumBleWeEd> hoW aboUt running linux32 INsidE the chroot? it lets you speCify a WrAPper, DOeSn' tit?
<Jtaylor> OK sO i ThiNk i fIxeD sCIlAb
<jtaYloR> but thiNg of the porT is UgLy but only reqUIrEd for matlaB 4 (frOm 1994)
<jtaylor> doiNg iT propeRlY prOBably NeeDs chaNge of aPI so shoUld be done By UPstreaM
<Jtaylor> ACCePtabLe for raring for now i ThINk
<tumbleweed> yaY?
<foxx> qUeSTiON, DoeS anYone else feEl That bUGs.launcHPaD.NET is REally unusable, In comparisoN WitH sometHiNg lIKe githUb? obvIoUSly, They have two Very Different End goaLS, but lauNChpad feEls verY meSsy Imho
<HYpErAir> FoXX: i dON't. In fACt, i Feel githUb IsSues aRe reALLY MessY anD unuSable.
<Hyperair> for onE, it DoesN'T haVe any PropeR supPoRt for SettinG bug sEvErities -- it only haS tagS.
<hyperair> WhaT eXacTlY is unUSable aBouT buGs.launcHpad.net ANywAy?
<FOXX> tHat's a good point.. the lAcK OF iN-depth isSue traCKiNg / SEveritieS. bUt tAgs cAN Be useD to sOMe Extent to ReplacE ThAt.. (ObviousLy In a VERy bAsiC foRmat.. nO WherE near sUitable fOr any LArger scale projECt)
<maxb> LaunchpAD iS AImED at tHe cOmplexities And nUAnceS of pROjEctS As comPlicaTeD As A Whole Linux distributIoN. GithuB's issUe tracker..... isn't, And it reallY SHOws
<foxx> i ThinK ThE Issues page on giThub iS great for sMAll one ofF projEcts.. anytHing else lARGer, i persNalLy uSe JiRA
<HYPeRair> JIRA actuaLLY looKs Pretty oKay
<HyperaiR> i hAveN't uSed It PersonallY though. oNlY pOkEd The rEST aPI
<foxx> its GrEat, BuT maNaginG It is alMost a Full TiMe JOb iN itself
<FOxX> VEry qUiCkLy beComEs A monsTer eTC
<hyPerair> uGh.
<hyperaiR> hoW AbouT sOmEthing lIke redmine?
<foxX> hYperair: to aNsWer Your quESTion tho, i Found just browsing launchPAd troubLesOme.. thEre's A *lot* of linKs aLl over The PLace, no ConsisTent fOnT siZES / layoUT EtC
<hyPeRair> no consISTenT font SiZes? wHere?
<foxX> imo, the feature set

<jtaylor> I'm sure to for get it ifI don t h ave  i t my  rc:/
<tumbleweed >  how  about running linux32  insi de thec hr oot?it lets yo u spe ci fy  awr a pp er, d oes n' tit? 
<jtaylor>  ok  s o I think If ix ed scilab<jt aylor> but t hin g of t he  po r t isugl y but  onlyr equire d for mat la b  4 (fr o m 1994) < jt aylo r> doing it prope r ly probably needs  chang eo fa p i s o s hould be d on e byu pstream <j t a y lor >  acceptable f or raring f o r n ow I t hi nk< tumble weed>  y a y?<foxx> ques tion , does an yone e l se feel that bu gs.lau nch pad .net is  r eal ly unu s ab le, incomparis on  w ith s omet h i n g  lik e g ithu b? ob viously, they  ha ve t w o v ery d iffer enten d goa ls, bu t lau nc hpad feels very  mes sy imho
< hyp er air >foxx: i don' t.infact, i  feel g i thu bi s s ue s are really messy  a n d  u nusable. 
<hype r ai r> for one,  i t d oesn ' t  have  any pr oper sup port f o rse tting b ug  sever it ies  --  it o n ly h as tag s.
<hype rair> what exactly i s  unusable abo u tb u gs . laun chp ad.net anyw ay?< foxx > th a t' s a goodpoint .. th e  lack of in-depth i ss ue tra cking  / severities . but tags c a n be use d to so m e extent to re place  that.. (o b viouslyin aVERY bas ic format . .  no wher e n ear  su ita b l efor any large r scal eproject )
< maxb> L aun chp adisai med at th e comple xi ti es  a ndnuanc e s of pro je cts  a s c ompli c ated a s a w hole  L in u x d istribu t io n .  Git hu b' s is sue  t racke r... . . i sn't, a nd it rea lly show s<f oxx> ithink the iss ue s page ongi thu b is g r e at for s mall one off projects.. anythin g e lse l arge r, i pers nal ly use  JI R A
<hyp erair>  JIRA  a ctu a l ly lo o k spre tt y okay
<hy p e rai r> iha ven' t usedit personally thou g h.only poked th e R ESTa p i<fo x x> its  g r eat , but managing it  is almost  a fu ll time jo b  in  i tself
< foxx> v ery q u ickly b ecomes amonster e tc 
<hy p e rai r> ugh.
<h yperair>  how abou t  some t hi ng li keredmin e? 
<f oxx>hypera i r:to an swer y ou r ques tionth o, i fou nd just browsing launch pad tr ouble som e.. there 'sa  *l ot* of li nksall over t hepla ce, n o c o nsist entf on t s i zes /  lay o ut etc
<h y pe rai r >  n o consisten t f ont  size s?w here?<fox x> imo, the featu r e set

<jtaylor> I'm_sure to_forget it if I_dont have_it_my rc_:/
<tumbleweed>_how about running_linux32 inside the_chroot? it lets you_specify a wrapper,_doesn'_tit?
<jtaylor> ok so I think I fixed scilab
<jtaylor> but thing of the port is_ugly_but only_required_for_matlab 4 (from 1994)
<jtaylor> doing_it properly probably needs change_of api_so should be done by upstream
<jtaylor> acceptable for_raring_for now I_think
<tumbleweed> yay?
<foxx> question, does anyone else feel that bugs.launchpad.net_is really unusable, in comparison with_something like github?_obviously,_they_have two very different_end goals, but launchpad feels very_messy imho
<hyperair> foxx: i don't. in_fact, i feel github issues are really_messy and unusable.
<hyperair> for one, it_doesn't have any proper support_for setting_bug severities -- it only_has tags.
<hyperair> what_exactly is_unusable about bugs.launchpad.net_anyway?
<foxx> that's a good point.. the_lack of in-depth_issue tracking / severities. but tags_can_be used to_some_extent_to replace_that.. (obviously in_a_VERY basic_format.._no where near suitable for any_larger_scale project)
<maxb> Launchpad is aimed at the_complexities and nuances of_projects_as complicated as a_whole Linux distribution. Github's issue_tracker..... isn't, and it really shows
<foxx>_i think_the issues_page on github is great for small one off projects.. anything_else larger, i persnally use JIRA
<hyperair>_JIRA actually looks pretty_okay
<hyperair> i_haven't_used it personally_though._only poked_the REST api
<foxx> its great, but managing_it is_almost a full time job in_itself
<foxx> very quickly becomes_a_monster etc
<hyperair> ugh.
<hyperair> how about something_like redmine?
<foxx> hyperair: to answer your_question tho, i found just_browsing_launchpad_troublesome.. there's a *lot* of_links all over the place, no_consistent font sizes_/ layout etc
<hyperair> no consistent font sizes?_where?
<foxx>_imo, the feature set