 niemeyer: right, bzr-blame told me :-)
<niemeyer> kirkland: Because tmux behaves in a better way when facing concurrent executions
<niemeyer> kirkland: If we fix that, we can bring screen back
<kirkland> niemeyer: so I'd love to help you fix that so that ensemble can use screen/byobu for this
<kirkland> niemeyer: by all means, I'm at your disposal
<niemeyer> kirkland: Sounds good.. I have no special attachment to either in this case
<kirkland> niemeyer: right-o;  I sorta do :-)
<niemeyer> kirkland: Used screen for a long time.. have been experimenting with tmux lately.. can use either without worries
<niemeyer> kirkland: Yeah, I know ;)
<kirkland> niemeyer: it doesn't have to be now, but can you explain to me your concurrency problems?
<niemeyer> kirkland: Will be happy to put your stuff to crank :)
<niemeyer> kirkland: We just need to sort the race
<niemeyer> kirkland: It's pretty simple to explain, actually
<kirkland> niemeyer: and i'll gladly write a custom configuration file for ensemble-debug-hooks-byobu
<niemeyer> kirkland: Given a session name, screen offers no way that I could perceive to avoid the same user from potentially getting two different sessions started
<kirkland> niemeyer: as I'm using it now, I can see the things I want to know about a system when I'm logged into it through debug
<kirkland> niemeyer: do you want 1 session, or 2?
<niemeyer> kirkland: The first
<kirkland> niemeyer: okay, so you want 1 session, call it "ensemble-debug" or something, right?
<niemeyer> kirkland: For both
<kirkland> niemeyer: okay, and you also want to attach to that one and only one session?
<niemeyer> kirkland: Yes, just a non-racy way to create a named session
<niemeyer>
niemeyer: right, bzr - blame told me :-) 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: Because tmux behaves in a better way when front coincident executions 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: If we fix that, we can fetch filmdom back 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: so I'd love to help oneself you fix that so that corps de ballet can practice screen / byobu for this 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: by all means, I'm at your administration 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: Sounds good.. I get no special attachment to either in this case 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: right - o;   I sorta do :-) 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: Used blind for a long time.. have been experimenting with tmux recently.. can use either without worries 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: Yeah, I acknowledge ;) 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: it doesn't have to be nowadays, but can you explain to me your concurrency problems? 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: Will be happy to put your material to crank :) 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: We just need to sort the race 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: It's pretty simple to excuse, actually 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: and i'll gladly publish a custom configuration file for ensemble - debug - hooks - byobu 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: Given a session name, screen offers no way that I could perceive to avoid the like exploiter from potentially getting two unlike session start 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: as I'm using it now, I can determine the things I want to know about a system when I'm log into it through debug 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: do you want 1 session, or 2? 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: The first 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: okay, so you want 1 session, predict it " ensemble - debug " or something, right? 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: For both 
 < kirkland > niemeyer: okay, and you also want to attach to that one and merely one session? 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: Yes, merely a non - racy way to create a named session 
 < niemeyer >
 nifmeyer: right, bzr-blame toud me :-)
<niemeyer> kirklanv: Becauae tmux cehaves in a better way when fqcing concurrent executions
<viemeyer> nirkland: If xe fix that, we ceh bring screeh bacn
<jirkland> niemeier: so I'd loee to help you fkx that so that ensemble can use screqn/byobu flr this
<kirklanq> nitmerer: gj cll means, I'm at your disposal
<nismeyer> nirkland: Souncs good.. I have no special wttafhment to either ij this case
<jirkjqnd> niemeyer: right-o;  I sorta do :-)
<nigmeyer> kirkland: Used screen for x lony time.. have bwen gxperimentinj with tmux lately.. can use either without worrics
<niekeywr> kirkland: Yeah, I knmw ;)
<kirkland> niemeygr: it doest't have to be now, byt can iou efplakb tu mt ypud conckrrxncy problejs?
<niemeyer> jirkland: Will be hakpy np put your sfuff tj srank :)
<niemeyer> kirkland: We just need to sodt the race
<niemeyer> kirjland: It's pretty simppe to expjain, actually
<kirkland> niemeyer: and i'll gladly wride a rurton gonfktugation file for ensemble-debug-hooks-byobu
<niemeyqd> ligkland: Given a sefsion name, xcgerg offers no wxy thac I could perceive to avoid jhe sane user fwom lotentially getting two difderent sessijbs started
<kirkland> niemeyer: ar I'm usinb it now, I can see the chings I want to nnow abouf a system when I'o lpgced into it through debug
<kyrkland> nmemeyzr: do yoj wamt 1 sefsion, or 2?
<nlemeycs> kirkland: The firdt
<kirnldnd> niemeyfr: okay, so you want 1 session, call it "ensemble-cetug" or someching, vight?
<niemeyer> kyrkland: For bojh
<kirklanb> niemdyer: okay, znd you also want eo attach to djat one and mnly one seswion?
<biemeyef> kirkland: Yes, kust a nou-xacy way ro create a named xesrjon
<niemeyer>
niemeyer: right, bzr-blame told me :-) <niemeyer> tmux in a way when facing we that, we can screen back <kirkland> so I'd love to help you that so that ensemble can use screen/byobu for this <kirkland> niemeyer: by all I'm at your disposal <niemeyer> kirkland: Sounds good.. I have no special attachment either this <kirkland> right-o; I sorta do :-) <niemeyer> kirkland: Used screen for a long time.. have been experimenting tmux lately.. can use either without worries <niemeyer> Yeah, I know ;) niemeyer: it doesn't have to now, can you to your problems? <niemeyer> kirkland: be happy to put your stuff to crank :) <niemeyer> kirkland: We just need to sort the <niemeyer> kirkland: simple to actually niemeyer: i'll gladly write configuration file for ensemble-debug-hooks-byobu <niemeyer> kirkland: name, screen offers no way that I could to avoid same user from potentially getting two sessions started <kirkland> niemeyer: as I'm using it I can see the things I want to know about a system when I'm logged through debug <kirkland> niemeyer: you want 1 or <niemeyer> The <kirkland> niemeyer: so you want 1 session, call it "ensemble-debug" or something, right? kirkland: For both <kirkland> niemeyer: okay, and you also want to one and only session? <niemeyer> kirkland: Yes, a way to create a <niemeyer>
 niemeyer: right, bzr-blame told Me :-)
<niemeyer> KirklAnd: becAuSe tmUx beHaves in a better WAy whEn facing concurrent execUtionS
<nIEmeyER> kIrklaNd: If we fIX tHAT, we CaN bRinG sCReEn bacK
<kiRkland> nIemeyer: so I'D loVe To help you fix THaT so that ensEmbLe can use screEn/bYobu foR tHis
<KIrklaNd> nIemeyEr: by alL Means, I'M at your diSpOSal
<nieMEyer> kirKLAnD: SouNds good.. I have no speCIaL Attachment to eiTher in ThIS cASE
<kiRklAnd> niemeyeR: rIght-o;  i Sorta do :-)
<NIeMEYEr> kIRkland: Used scrEen for a long TIme.. Have beEn ExpERimentIng wiTh TMux Lately.. can usE eitHer withouT worriES
<niemeyER> kirklaNd: Yeah, i knOw ;)
<kIrklANd> NiEmeYeR: It dOEsN't hAVe tO be now, buT cAn You exPlaiN TO ME youR coNcurRency Problems?
<niemeYer> KirkLAnd: will bE happY to pUt Your sTuff to Crank :)
<NiEmeyer> kirkland: WE jusT need to soRt tHe RacE
<nIemeyER> kirklAnd: it's Pretty sImple to EXplAiN, ACTuAlly
<kirkland> niemeyEr: AND i'Ll gladly Write a CUsToM ConfigurAtIon File FOR enseMble-DEbUg-hooks-bYobu
<niEMeYeR> kirklaNd: given a SeSsiOn nAme, scREen oFfers nO way that i coulD Perceive to avoiD The same user frOM pOTEnTIallY geTting two difFereNT sesSionS StArtED
<kirkLand> nIeMEyER: as I'm using it now, I can SeE the thIngs I Want to know aboUt a system wHEN i'm logged Into IT tHRough debug
<kirkLand> nIemeyer: do yOU want 1 sesSion, oR 2?
<niemeyeR> kirkland: tHE first
<kiRklAnd> NieMeyER: OkAy, so you want 1 seSSIon, cAlL it "enseMblE-debug" oR soMetHinG, riGhT?
<niemeyer> Kirkland: foR bOtH
<kIrkLand> nIEmeyer: okAy, And YoU alSo wanT To attaCh to tHat oNe AnD OnlY one sesSIoN?
<NIemeYeR> kIrklAnd: yeS, just A non-RAcy Way to crEate a nameD seSSion
<NiEmEyer>
 niemeyer: right, bzr-blam e told me:-)
< nie mey er > ki rkla nd: Because tm u x be haves in a better waywhenfa c ingc on curre nt exec u ti o n s
< ni em eye r> ki rklan d:If we f ix that, w e c an  bring scree n  b ack
<kirkl and > niemeyer:soI'd lo ve  to helpyou  fixthat s o  thatensembleca n  use s c reen/by o b uforthis
<kirkland> n i em e yer: by all me ans, I 'm at y our  di sposal
<ni em eyer> kirklan d :S o u nds good.. I have  no special att achmen ttoe itherin th is cas e
<kirkland > ni emeyer: r ight-o ;   I sor t a do :- )
<nie mey er>  kir k la nd : U se d  sc r ee n f o r a  long ti me ..  have  bee n e x peri men ting  with  tmux lately. . c an u s e e ither  with outwo rries 
<niem eyer>  k irkland: Yeah,I kn ow ;)
<ki rkl an d>ni emeye r : it d oes n't  have t o be no w , b ut c a nyou explain to meyo u r  c oncurren cy pro b le ms ? 
<niemey er > k irkl a n d: Wi ll b e  h appy toput yo u rst uff tocr ank :) 
< nie mey er> k i rkla nd: We  just ne ed to sort the race< niemeyer> kir k la n d :I t'spre tty simpleto e x plai n, a c tu all y 
<kir kland >n ie m eyer: and i'll glad ly  write  a cu stom configur ation file f o r ensemb le-d e bu g -hooks-byobu
< nieme yer> kirkl a nd: Give n a s ession n ame, scre e n  offersnoway  th atI co uld perceivet o  avo id  the sa meuser fr ompot ent ial ly  gettingtwo diff er en tse ssi ons s t arted
<k ir kla nd > n iemey e r: asI'm u sing  i tn ow,  I cans ee t he t hi ng s Iwan tto kn ow a b out  a syst em when I 'ml ogge din to it t hrough debug<k irkland> n ie mey er: do y ou want1 session, or 2?
<nieme y er> kir kla nd: T he f irst
<kir kla nd> ni eme y er: ok ay, so  youwa nt1 sessi o n ,cal lit "ensemb l e -de bug"or  som ething,  right?
<niemeyer> kir kland: For bo th<kir k l an d>n ie m eye r: oka y ,  and you also w ant to att ac h  t o that one and  o nly one  sessio n?
<n i emeyer>  kirkland : Yes, ju st  a n o n -ra cy way tocreate a  named se s sion< ni emeye r>
 niemeyer:_right, bzr-blame_told me :-)
<niemeyer> kirkland:_Because tmux_behaves_in a_better_way when facing_concurrent executions
<niemeyer> kirkland:_If we fix that,_we can bring_screen_back
<kirkland> niemeyer: so I'd love to help you fix that so that ensemble can_use_screen/byobu for_this
<kirkland>_niemeyer:_by all means, I'm at_your disposal
<niemeyer> kirkland: Sounds good.._I have_no special attachment to either in this case
<kirkland>_niemeyer:_right-o;  I_sorta do :-)
<niemeyer> kirkland: Used screen for a long_time.. have been experimenting with tmux_lately.. can use_either_without_worries
<niemeyer> kirkland: Yeah, I_know ;)
<kirkland> niemeyer: it doesn't have_to be now, but can you_explain to me your concurrency problems?
<niemeyer> kirkland:_Will be happy to put your_stuff to crank :)
<niemeyer> kirkland:_We just_need to sort the race
<niemeyer>_kirkland: It's pretty_simple to_explain, actually
<kirkland> niemeyer:_and i'll gladly write a custom_configuration file for_ensemble-debug-hooks-byobu
<niemeyer> kirkland: Given a session name,_screen_offers no way_that_I_could perceive_to avoid the_same_user from_potentially_getting two different sessions started
<kirkland> niemeyer:_as_I'm using it now, I can see_the things I want_to_know about a system_when I'm logged into it_through debug
<kirkland> niemeyer: do you want_1 session,_or 2?
<niemeyer>_kirkland: The first
<kirkland> niemeyer: okay, so you want 1 session, call_it "ensemble-debug" or something, right?
<niemeyer> kirkland:_For both
<kirkland> niemeyer: okay,_and you_also_want to attach_to_that one_and only one session?
<niemeyer> kirkland: Yes, just_a non-racy_way to create a named session
<niemeyer>