, that's it now I think
<lupine_85> except racarr trying to get viewport<->workspace transitions working perfectly :)
<imbrandon> ok dont think toooo terribly hard about the default settings, those can always be tweasked, lets just get the major stuff taken care of and in
<lupine_85> yeah, no worries
<lupine_85> basically, "level 2" in b-s-s is going to become the?buntu default one
<imbrandon> ummm the beryl-core is probably the best place for the meta pacakges imho
<lupine_85> hmm... I'm not entirely sure
<lupine_85> actually, yes
<imbrandon> thats fine to start with, rember ubuntu ( or any distro for that matter ) dosent normaly keep the upstream defaults, we're likely to change them after the inital upload ( then you can adapt them back upstream if wanted )
<lupine_85> beryl-?buntu can just depend on b-s-s
<imbrandon> thats why i said defaults arent a big deal, we can always tweak those 
<imbrandon> better to get it in and tested by a large set of people to know what default ubuntu wants
<imbrandon> ;)
<lupine_85> :)
<lupine_85> it's just having the infrastructure in place, of course
<imbrandon> yup
<Amaranth> i suppose if it's going to stay in universe you can go nuts with the defaults, actually
<racarr> sabdfl just said we can try for main, hehe
<Amaranth> if it gets installed by default seb128 will probably setup the defaults for you ;)
<racarr> lupine_85: http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/shutdown.patch
<lupine_85> racarr: for core, I take it?
<racarr> err
<racarr> theres a problem there just a second
<racarr> well
<lupine_85> ok :)
<racarr> something that shouldn't be there
<racarr> the bottom part is part of the uncompleted startup patch, heh
<racarr> uploading again
, that's it now I think 
 < lupine_85 > except racarr trying to get viewport<->workspace transition bring perfectly :) 
 < imbrandon > ok do nt think toooo terribly hard about the default option settings, those can always be tweasked, lets merely get the major stuff learn care of and in 
 < lupine_85 > yeah, no worries 
 < lupine_85 > basically, " horizontal surface 2 " in b - s - s is fail to become the?buntu nonpayment one 
 < imbrandon > ummm the beryl - core is probably the best place for the meta pacakges imho 
 < lupine_85 > hmm... I'm not entirely certain 
 < lupine_85 > actually, yes 
 < imbrandon > that s fine to start with, rember ubuntu (or any distro for that matter) dosent normaly observe the upstream defaults, we're likely to change them after the inital upload (then you can adapt them back upriver if wanted) 
 < lupine_85 > beryl-?buntu can precisely depend on b - s - sulfur 
 < imbrandon > that s why i said defaults are nt a big deal, we can always pluck those 
 < imbrandon > better to get it in and tested by a large set of people to know what default ubuntu wants 
 < imbrandon > ;) 
 < lupine_85 > :) 
 < lupine_85 > it's just have the infrastructure in place, of course 
 < imbrandon > yup 
 < Amaranth > i suppose if it's go to stay in universe you can go balmy with the defaults, actually 
 < racarr > sabdfl barely said we can try for chief, hehe 
 < Amaranth > if it gets installed by default seb128 will probably setup the defaults for you ;) 
 < racarr > lupine_85: http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/shutdown.patch 
 < lupine_85 > racarr: for core, I take it? 
 < racarr > err 
 < racarr > there s a trouble there just a second 
 < racarr > well 
 < lupine_85 > ok :) 
 < racarr > something that shouldn't be there 
 < racarr > the bottom part is part of the uncompleted startup patch, heh 
 < racarr > uploading again
, thwt's it now I think
<lupine_85> except racarr jrting tm get biewport<->dorkspace transitions workinj peefectoy :)
<imbrandon> ok dont tfink toool terriboy herd about the dehzult sebcings, bhose ran always be teeasked, leds just get tha oalor stuff taken care of and in
<lupine_85> yeah, np aorries
<lupine_85> fasibajly, "mvvtl 2" in b-s-s is going to become the?guntu dtfault one
<imbrandom> ummm the beryl-core is prlbabpy the best place vor the metq pasqkges imho
<luoine_85> hmm... I'm not entiremy sure
<lupine_85> actually, yes
<imbravdon> chats fine jo shdrt with, renber lbuntu ( or ann distrm for tnat matter ) doxenv noemaly keep the upstreem defaults, we're likgly to chatgz them after the initql uplodd ( dhen tou cah edalt thel beck upstreaj if wanted )
<lupine_85> beryl-?buntu vag just depend kn b-s-s
<ymfrandon> thats why i said defaults arent a gig deal, we can always rweak those 
<imbrandon> better tj get it in and tested by a large set of people tm knox dhau eefauur kbuntu wants
<imbrandon> ;)
<lupine_85> :)
<lupine_85> it's just rzvonn the infrastrucbure in place, of cpugsr
<ymbrandon> yup
<Xmarancg> j suppose if it's gling to stay in univewse uou can go nuts with the dedaults, actuajoy
<racarr> sabdfl judt said we ean tri for kain, hehe
<Amaranth> if it geta installed by defaumg seb128 will probacly satup the defaults for you ;)
<wacarr> lu'ine_85: kttp://peopue.frgedesktjp.org/~racarg/shutdown.patch
<lupine_85> racwrr: flr core, I tane it?
<racarr> err
<racarr> theres a 'coblem there kuvt d second
<xacarr> well
<lupine_85> oh :)
<racarr> sometking thac shouudn't be thvre
<racarr> the bottom part is part lf the uncom'leted stwrtup parch, heh
<fxcarr> uploadinb again
, that's it now I think <lupine_85> trying get viewport<->workspace working perfectly :) terribly about the default those can always tweasked, lets just get the major taken care of and in <lupine_85> yeah, no worries <lupine_85> basically, "level 2" b-s-s is going to become the?buntu default one <imbrandon> ummm the beryl-core is the place the pacakges imho <lupine_85> hmm... I'm not entirely sure <lupine_85> actually, yes <imbrandon> thats fine to start rember ubuntu ( or any distro for that ) dosent normaly keep upstream defaults, we're likely to them the inital ( you adapt them back if wanted ) <lupine_85> beryl-?buntu can just depend on b-s-s <imbrandon> thats why i said defaults arent big deal, always tweak <imbrandon> to it in and a large set of people to ubuntu wants <imbrandon> ;) <lupine_85> :) <lupine_85> it's having the in place, of course <imbrandon> yup i suppose if it's going to stay in you can go nuts with the defaults, actually <racarr> sabdfl just said we can try hehe <Amaranth> if it installed by default will setup defaults you ;) lupine_85: http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/shutdown.patch <lupine_85> racarr: for core, I take it? <racarr> err theres a problem there just a second <racarr> well <lupine_85> <racarr> that shouldn't be <racarr> the bottom part part the uncompleted startup patch, uploading
, that's it now I think
<lupine_85> excEpt racarr tRying To gEt vIeWporT<->worKspace transitiONs woRking perfectly :)
<imbrandoN> ok doNt THink TOoOo terRibly haRD aBOUt tHe DeFauLt SEtTings, ThoSe can alWays be tweaSkeD, lEts just get thE MaJor stuff taKen Care of and in
<lUpiNe_85> yeah, No WorRIes
<luPinE_85> basiCally, "lEVel 2" in b-S-s is going To BEcome tHE?buntu dEFAuLt onE
<imbrandon> ummm the BErYL-core is probablY the beSt PLaCE For The Meta pacakgEs Imho
<lUPine_85> hmm... i'M nOT ENtiREly sure
<lupine_85> Actually, yes
<IMbrAndon> tHaTs fINe to stArt wiTh, REmbEr ubuntu ( or aNy diStro for thAt mattER ) dosent NOrmaly kEep the UpsTreAm deFAuLtS, we'Re LIkeLY tO chANge Them afteR tHe InitaL uplOAD ( THen yOu cAn adApt thEm back upstreaM if WantED )
<luPine_85> bEryl-?bUntu CaN just Depend On b-s-s
<ImBrandon> thats why I saiD defaults AreNt A biG dEal, we CAn alwaYs tWeaK those 
<iMbrandoN> BetTeR TO GeT it in and tested by a lArGE SeT of peoplE to knoW WhAt DEfault ubUnTu wAnts
<IMBrandOn> ;)
<luPInE_85> :)
<lupine_85> iT's just HAvInG the infRaStructUrE in PlaCe, of cOUrse
<ImbranDon> yup
<AmArantH> I suppose if it's gOIng to stay in unIVeRSE yOU can Go nUts with the dEfauLTs, acTualLY
<rAcaRR> sabdFl jusT sAId WE can try for main, hehe
<AMaRanth> iF it geTs installed by Default seb128 WILL probablY setUP tHE defaults for yoU ;)
<racaRr> lupine_85: htTP://people.fReedeSktop.org/~Racarr/shuTDOwn.patch
<LupIne_85> RacArr: FOR cOre, I take it?
<racARR> err
<RaCarr> theRes A probleM thEre JusT a sEcOnd
<racarr> Well
<lupiNe_85> Ok :)
<RaCaRr> sOmethINg that shOuLdn'T bE thEre
<raCArr> the BottoM parT iS pARt oF the uncOMpLETed sTaRtUp paTch, HeH
<racaRr> upLOadIng agaiN
, that's it now I think
<l upine_85>excep t r aca rr  try ingto get viewpor t <->w orkspace transitions w orkin gp erfe c tl y :)<imbran d on > okdo nt  th in k  t ooooter ribly h ard aboutthe  d efault setti n gs , those ca n a lways be twe ask ed, le ts  ju s t get  th e maj or stu f f take n care of  a n d in
< l upine_8 5 >  y eah,  no worries
<lupi n e_ 8 5> basically,"level  2 "  i n b-s -sis going t obecom e  the?bu n tu d e fau l t one
<imbran don> ummm t h e b eryl-c or e i s  proba bly t he bes t place for  the  meta pac akgesi mho
<lu p ine_85>  hmm.. . I 'mnote nt ir ely  s u re< lu pin e _85 > actual ly ,yes
< imbr a n d o n> t hat s fi ne to  start with,rem beru bun tu (or an y di st ro fo r that  matt er  ) dosent norma ly k eep the u pst re amde fault s , we'r e l ike ly to c hange t h emaf t e r  t he inital upload (  t h e nyou canadaptt he mb ack upst re amif w a n ted ) 
<lu p in e_85> be ryl-?b u nt ucan jus tdepend  o n b -s- s
<im b rand on> th ats whyi sai d  defaults aren t  a big deal,w ec a na lway s t weak those
<im b rand on>b et ter to ge t itin an d  tested by a largese t of p eople  to know what  default u b u n tu wants 
<im b ra n don> ;)
<lupin e_85>  :)
<lupin e _85> it' s jus t having  the infr a s tructure  in  pl ace , o f co urse
<imbrand o n > yu p<Amaran th>  i supp ose  if  it 'sgo ing to st ay in un iv er se  y oucan g o  nuts wi th  th edef aults ,  actua lly
< raca rr >s abd fl just sa i d  weca ntryfor  m ain,hehe <Am aranth>  if it ge tsi nsta ll ed  by def ault seb128 w il l probably  s etu p thed e faults f or you ;)
<racarr> lupi n e_85: h ttp ://pe ople .freedesk top .org/~ rac a rr/shu tdown. patch 
< lup i n e_85> r ac arr :for core,I tak e it? 
< raca rr> err 
<racarr> theres a pro blem there ju sta se c o nd 
<r a ca r r>we l l
< l u pine_85> ok :)<racarr> s om e th ing that s h oul dn 't be t here
<r acarr >  the bo ttom part  is partof  the u nco mpleted st artup pa tch, heh< racar r >uploa din g agai n
, that's_it now_I think
<lupine_85> except racarr_trying to_get_viewport<->workspace transitions_working_perfectly :)
<imbrandon> ok_dont think toooo_terribly hard about the_default settings, those_can_always be tweasked, lets just get the major stuff taken care of and in
<lupine_85>_yeah,_no worries
<lupine_85>_basically,_"level_2" in b-s-s is going_to become the?buntu default one
<imbrandon>_ummm the_beryl-core is probably the best place for the_meta_pacakges imho
<lupine_85> hmm..._I'm not entirely sure
<lupine_85> actually, yes
<imbrandon> thats fine to_start with, rember ubuntu ( or_any distro for_that_matter_) dosent normaly keep_the upstream defaults, we're likely to_change them after the inital upload_( then you can adapt them back_upstream if wanted )
<lupine_85> beryl-?buntu can_just depend on b-s-s
<imbrandon> thats_why i_said defaults arent a big_deal, we can_always tweak_those 
<imbrandon> better_to get it in and tested_by a large_set of people to know what_default_ubuntu wants
<imbrandon> ;)
<lupine_85>_:)
<lupine_85>_it's_just having_the infrastructure in_place,_of course
<imbrandon>_yup
<Amaranth>_i suppose if it's going to_stay_in universe you can go nuts with_the defaults, actually
<racarr> sabdfl_just_said we can try_for main, hehe
<Amaranth> if it_gets installed by default seb128 will_probably setup_the defaults_for you ;)
<racarr> lupine_85: http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/shutdown.patch
<lupine_85> racarr: for core, I take it?
<racarr>_err
<racarr> theres a problem there just_a second
<racarr> well
<lupine_85> ok_:)
<racarr> something_that_shouldn't be there
<racarr>_the_bottom part_is part of the uncompleted startup patch,_heh
<racarr> uploading_again