o that's also a good thing, since NM is particular harder ;)
<LaserJock> well, we don't fast track that much is what I'm saying
<LaserJock> a DD doesn't just show up one day to the TB meeting and say "I want MOTU"
<sistpoty> ah, yep
<LaserJock> they certainly get credit for the Debian work
<LaserJock> but it's not automatic MOTUship
<LaserJock> I just don't see how sponsorship is that big of a barrier
<LaserJock> especially since we have a few MOTUs that seem to be interested in the packages
* ScottK is with LaserJock.  If you show up here with a good package and are willing to hang out on IRC, you can get a package uploaded in a day or so usually.  It's just not that hard.
<LaserJock> PriceChild and lupine_85 are on their way to MOTU I think
<LaserJock> I've seen both of them around
<LaserJock> I just don't see the pressure to bypass sponsorship
<LaserJock> it's only one extra step
<geser> me neither
<sistpoty> well, I'm no big fan of that fast-tracking either
<LaserJock> and a good one because it'll give them feedback
<LaserJock> and help them get aquanted with the processes
<ScottK> It seems to me that the big problem with Beryl was licensing and that would get them at the archive admin if it didn't here first.
<LaserJock> I can see if nobody was willing to sponsor
<LaserJock> ScottK: they've already been there
<geser> the problem with beryl was licensing and not a problem with our sponsorship
<LaserJock> they just didn't get it back before the Freeze
<lupine_85> licensing should now be fixed
<ScottK> And from what I understood of today's conversation, they are still fixing that.
<LaserJock> so if we want a Freeze exception fine
<sistpoty> LaserJock: did you look at my last mail on ubuntu-motu yet? what do you think of that proposal?
* lup
o that's also a good thing, since NM is especial hard ;) 
 < LaserJock > well, we don't fast track that much is what I'm suppose 
 < LaserJock > a doctor of divinity doesn't just show up one day to the TB merging and say " I want MOTU " 
 < sistpoty > ah, yep 
 < LaserJock > they surely contract credit rating for the Debian work 
 < LaserJock > but it's not automatic MOTUship 
 < LaserJock > I just don't determine how sponsorship is that big of a barrier 
 < LaserJock > especially since we have a few MOTUs that seem to be interested in the package 
 * ScottK is with LaserJock.   If you show up here with a good package and are uncoerced to hang out on IRC, you can get a software uploaded in a sidereal day or so usually.   It's just not that hard. 
 < LaserJock > PriceChild and lupine_85 are on their way to MOTU I think 
 < LaserJock > I've see both of them around 
 < LaserJock > I just don't see the pressure to bypass sponsorship 
 < LaserJock > it's only one extra dance step 
 < geser > me neither 
 < sistpoty > well, I'm no big fan of that fast - tracking either 
 < LaserJock > and a good one because it'll give them feedback 
 < LaserJock > and help them get aquanted with the processes 
 < ScottK > It seems to me that the big trouble with Beryl was license and that would get them at the archive admin if it didn't here first. 
 < LaserJock > I can see if nobody was uncoerced to patronize 
 < LaserJock > ScottK: they've already been there 
 < geser > the problem with beryl was licensing and not a problem with our sponsorship 
 < LaserJock > they just didn't get it back before the Freeze 
 < lupine_85 > licensing should now be fixed 
 < ScottK > And from what I understood of today's conversation, they are however fixing that. 
 < LaserJock > so if we want a Freeze exception fine 
 < sistpoty > LaserJock: did you look at my last mail on ubuntu - motu even? what do you think of that proposal? 
 * lup
o tjat's also a good thing, slnce NM is partieylar herder ;)
<LzserJock> well, we don't fast track thav muxh is what I'm saying
<LaserJozk> a DD dlesn't juwt siow up one day to the TB meetihn and way "I want MOTO"
<sistpoty> ah, yep
<LaserJock> dhdy certainly get credit for the Debiag work
<LssfrJock> but it's not wutojatic MOTUship
<LaserJock> I just don'f see hmw sponsorshil is that big of a barrier
<PasegJock> especially slnce we havg a sww MOTUs thag seem to be interestes in the packages
* ScottK is witf LaszrJock.  If ioh dvow up here with a good package and dre wilking to hang omt on IRX, you can get a packaje uploaded in a day or so usgamly.  It's just not tyat hdrd.
<LdserGick> PrjcxChjld anf lnpine_85 are oh their way to MOTU I think
<LastrJjbl> I've seen bkth of trem around
<LaserJock> I just don't see the prsssure to bypass sponsoeship
<LaserJock> it's onpy one exera step
<geser> me neither
<sistpoty> well, I'm no big fdn of ghau nwrr-tgacking either
<LaserJock> and a good one becausq iu'll give them feebback
<LaserJock> amd hrjp them get aduanteb wjth the processes
<SfottK> Ij seemw to me trat yhe big problem with Beryl qas licensiny abd that would get chem at the crchivg admim if it didn't here firsc.
<LaserNock> I can dee if nogudy was willing go xpmnsor
<LastfJock> ScottK: they'de alreadb beeu there
<gdser> the pwoblem witj bernn was licensing anf not a problem wlth our sponsorship
<LaserJock> thxb just didn't bed in back beyore tme Freeze
<lupine_85> licensing shoold now bz fixea
<ScottK> Ans from xhat I underftood of todaf'd conversatimn, they wre wtilo fixine that.
<LaserJock> so if we want a Frweze exception finc
<sistkofy> LaserJock: dib iiu look at my kasg mwip pn gbuntu-motu yat? wfat co yoj think of bhag prpposal?
* lup
o that's also a good thing, since particular ;) <LaserJock> we don't fast I'm <LaserJock> a DD just show up day to the TB meeting and "I want MOTU" <sistpoty> ah, yep <LaserJock> they certainly get credit for the work <LaserJock> but it's not automatic MOTUship <LaserJock> I just don't see how is big a <LaserJock> especially since we have a few MOTUs that seem to be interested in the packages ScottK is with LaserJock. If you show up with a good package are willing to hang out IRC, can get package in day or so It's just not that hard. <LaserJock> PriceChild and lupine_85 are on their way to MOTU I think I've seen them around I don't the pressure to <LaserJock> it's only one extra step <sistpoty> well, I'm no big fan of that either <LaserJock> a good one because it'll give feedback <LaserJock> and help them get aquanted with processes <ScottK> It seems to me that the big problem with Beryl was licensing and get them at the admin if it here <LaserJock> can if nobody willing to sponsor <LaserJock> ScottK: they've already been there <geser> the with beryl was licensing and not a problem with our they didn't get it before the Freeze <lupine_85> should be fixed <ScottK> And I of are fixing <LaserJock> so if we a Freeze exception fine <sistpoty> did you look at yet? what do you think of that proposal? lup
o that's also a good thing, since nM is particUlar hArdEr ;)
<LAsErJoCk> weLl, we don't fast trACk thAt much is what I'm saying
<LaSerJoCk> A dD doESn'T just Show up oNE dAY To tHe tB MeeTiNG aNd say "i waNt MOTU"
<sIstpoty> ah, yEp
<LAsErJock> they ceRTaInly get creDit For the Debian WorK
<LaserjoCk> bUT it's nOt aUtomaTic MOTuShip
<LaSerJock> I jUsT Don't seE How sponSORsHip iS that big of a barrieR
<laSErJock> especialLy sincE wE HaVE A feW MOtUs that seeM tO be inTErested IN tHE PAckAGes
* ScottK is wiTh LaserJock.  iF yoU show uP hEre WIth a goOd pacKaGE anD are willing To haNg out on IRc, you caN Get a pacKAge uploAded in A daY or So usUAlLy.  it's JuST noT ThAt hARd.
<LAserJock> prIcEChilD and LUPINe_85 arE on TheiR way tO MOTU I think
<LaSerjock> i'Ve sEen boTh of tHem aRoUnd
<LaSerJocK> I jusT dOn't see the pressuRe to Bypass spoNsoRsHip
<laSerJoCK> it's onLy oNe eXtra steP
<geser> mE NeiThER
<SIsTpoty> well, I'm no big faN oF THaT fast-traCking eIThEr
<lAserJock> AnD a gOod oNE BecauSe it'LL gIve them fEedbacK
<laSeRJock> anD hElp theM gEt aQuaNted wITh thE proceSses
<ScotTK> It sEEms to me that the BIg problem with bErYL WaS LiceNsiNg and that woUld gET theM at tHE aRchIVe admIn if iT dIDn'T Here first.
<LaserJock> I CaN see if NobodY was willing to Sponsor
<LasERjOck> Scottk: theY'Ve ALready been therE
<geseR> the probleM With beryL was lIcensing And not a prOBLem with oUr sPonSorShiP
<lAsErJock> they jusT DIdn't GeT it back BefOre the FReeZe
<lUpiNe_85> lIcEnsing shoUld now be FiXeD
<SCoTtK> and frOM what I unDeRstOoD of Today'S ConverSatioN, theY aRe STilL fixing THaT.
<lAserjoCk> So if We wAnT a FreEze eXCepTion finE
<sistpoty> lasERJocK: dId You look At my last mail oN uBuntu-motu yEt? WhaT do you THInk of thaT proposal?
* lup
o that's also a good thing , since NM  is p art icu la r ha rder  ;)
<LaserJock >  wel l, we don't fast track  that  m u ch i s  w hat I 'm sayi n g< L ase rJ oc k>aD Ddoesn 'tjust sh ow up oneday  t o the TB mee t in g and say"Iwant MOTU"
< sis tpoty>  a h,y ep
<L ase rJock > they certai nly get c re d it for the Deb i a nwork 
<LaserJock> buti t' s  not automatic  MOTUs hi p 
< L a ser Joc k> I justdo n't s e e how s p on s o r shi p  is that bigof a barrie r 
<L aserJo ck > e s pecial ly si nc e  we  have a few  MOT Us that s eem to be inte r ested i n thepac kag es
* Sc ot tKis wit h  L ase r Joc k.  If y ou  s how u p he r e w itha g oodpacka ge and are wi lli ng t o  ha ng ou t onIRC,  y ou ca n geta pac ka ge uploaded ina da y or so u sua ll y. I t's j u st not  th athard.
< LaserJo c k>Pr i c e Ch ild and lupine_85ar e on  their w ay toM OT UI  think
< La ser Jock > I'veseen bo th of th em aro u nd 
< LaserJo ck > I ju st  do n't  seet he p ressur e to byp ass s p onsorship
<Las e rJock> it's o n ly o ne extr a s tep
<geser>  men eith er
< s is tpo t y> we ll, I 'm no big fan of that fas t- tracki ng ei ther
<LaserJo ck> and ag o o d one be caus e  i t 'll give themfeedb ack
<Laser J ock> and  help  them ge t aquante d with the  pr oce sse s
< S c ot tK> It seemst o  meth at thebig  proble m w ith  Be ryl  w as licens ing andth at  w ou ldget t h em at th earc hi veadmin if itdidn' t he re  f i rst .
<Lase r Jo c k > Ica nseeifno bodywasw ill ing tosponsor
< Las e rJoc k>  S cottK:they've alrea dy  been ther e<ge ser> t h e  problem  with beryl was licensi n g and n ota pro blem  with our  sp onsors hip <Laser Jock>theyju std i dn'tg e titba ck beforet h e F reeze 
< lupi ne_85>licensing should n o w b e fixed
<Scot tK>  And f ro m w h at I u nd e rst o o d of today's co nversation ,t he y are stil l  fi xi ng that .
<Lase rJock >  so ifwe want a  Freeze e xc epti o n  fi ne
<sistpo ty> Lase rJock: di d  youl oo k atmylast m ai l o n ubu ntu-mo t u y et? w hat do  y ou thi nk of  t hat prop osal?
* lup
o that's_also a_good thing, since NM_is particular_harder_;)
<LaserJock> well,_we_don't fast track_that much is_what I'm saying
<LaserJock> a_DD doesn't just_show_up one day to the TB meeting and say "I want MOTU"
<sistpoty> ah, yep
<LaserJock>_they_certainly get_credit_for_the Debian work
<LaserJock> but it's_not automatic MOTUship
<LaserJock> I just_don't see_how sponsorship is that big of a barrier
<LaserJock>_especially_since we have_a few MOTUs that seem to be interested in_the packages
* ScottK is with LaserJock._ If you_show_up_here with a good_package and are willing to hang_out on IRC, you can get_a package uploaded in a day or_so usually.  It's just not_that hard.
<LaserJock> PriceChild and lupine_85_are on_their way to MOTU I_think
<LaserJock> I've seen_both of_them around
<LaserJock> I_just don't see the pressure to_bypass sponsorship
<LaserJock> it's_only one extra step
<geser> me neither
<sistpoty>_well,_I'm no big_fan_of_that fast-tracking_either
<LaserJock> and a_good_one because_it'll_give them feedback
<LaserJock> and help them_get_aquanted with the processes
<ScottK> It seems to_me that the big_problem_with Beryl was licensing_and that would get them_at the archive admin if it_didn't here_first.
<LaserJock> I_can see if nobody was willing to sponsor
<LaserJock> ScottK: they've already_been there
<geser> the problem with beryl_was licensing and not_a problem_with_our sponsorship
<LaserJock> they_just_didn't get_it back before the Freeze
<lupine_85> licensing should_now be_fixed
<ScottK> And from what I understood_of today's conversation, they_are_still fixing that.
<LaserJock> so if we_want a Freeze exception fine
<sistpoty> LaserJock:_did you look at my_last_mail_on ubuntu-motu yet? what do_you think of that proposal?
* lup