 some DDs are... strange
<Fujitsu> This may have gone a whole lot better if MOTU had been brought into the spec into the first place.
<StevenK> Q-FUNK: Well, we have our own private list... :-)
<LaserJock> imbrandon: well, I agree that it could all be handled better
<man-di> StevenK: but there are also DDs who are quiete nice and good to work with
<StevenK> Agreed
<imbrandon> see actualy this is exactly why kubuntu needs a diffrent release schedule than ubuntu, ubuntu is based on gnome releases schedule ( or vice versa ) and kubuntu ends up being screwed every release by "just missing it", look at kde 3.5.6 for edgys schedule
<LaserJock> imbrandon: it was a bit of a sudden request for people not tracking Kubuntu
<imbrandon> etc
<Q-FUNK> StevenK: which is only accessible to those who passed DD, but never mind that.  cases are still known.
<StevenK> Q-FUNK: I didn't mean debian-private.
<imbrandon> LaserJock, thats just it, and its the ones that dident give a rats ass untill now making a stiink
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu: MOTU doesnt really make decisions anymore - it's the MC now.
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu: not a lot of them, anyway.  or so it seems
<Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Not when that spec was defined.
<Hobbsee> true that
<StevenK> Q-FUNK: What I meant, is that I have a list of DDs that a jerks, and your list of who are jerks is probably different.
<imbrandon> when the spec was defined we hand many MOTU's in on it, only me and riddell were core
<imbrandon> Fujitsu, ^
<imbrandon> had*
<Q-FUNK> now that there are 3 supported desktop flavors, release dates should be shifted in order to accomodate all 3 upstream's release schedules.
<Fujitsu> Q-FUNK: We'd never be able to release.
<StevenK> I agree with Fujitsu
<imbrandon> Fujitsu, sure
some DDs are... strange 
 < Fujitsu > This may have gone a whole fortune well if MOTU had been brought into the spec into the first stead. 
 < StevenK > Q - FUNK: Well, we have our own private tilt... :-) 
 < LaserJock > imbrandon: well, I agree that it could all be handled good 
 < man - di > StevenK: but there are besides DDs who are quiete nice and dependable to shape with 
 < StevenK > Agreed 
 < imbrandon > see actualy this is exactly why kubuntu needs a diffrent release agenda than ubuntu, ubuntu is based on gnome releases schedule (or frailty versa) and kubuntu ends up being screwed every release by " just missing it ", search at kde 3.5.6 for edgys schedule 
 < LaserJock > imbrandon: it was a bit of a sudden request for people not tracking Kubuntu 
 < imbrandon > etc 
 < Q - FUNK > StevenK: which is only accessible to those who pass DD, but never mind that.   cases are still known. 
 < StevenK > Q - FUNK: I didn't mean debian - individual. 
 < imbrandon > LaserJock, that s just it, and its the ones that dident give a rats ass untill now making a stiink 
 < Hobbsee > Fujitsu: MOTU does nt really make decisions anymore - it's the MC now. 
 < Hobbsee > Fujitsu: not a batch of them, anyway.   or so it seem 
 < Fujitsu > Hobbsee: Not when that specification was define. 
 < Hobbsee > true that 
 < StevenK > Q - FUNK: What I meant, is that I have a list of DDs that a jerks, and your list of who are tug is probably different. 
 < imbrandon > when the spec was defined we hand many MOTU's in on it, entirely me and riddell were core 
 < imbrandon > Fujitsu, ^ 
 < imbrandon > had * 
 < Q - FUNK > now that there are 3 supported background flavors, passing date should be shifted in order to accomodate all 3 upstream's release schedules. 
 < Fujitsu > Q - FUNK: We'd never be able to free. 
 < StevenK > I agree with Fujitsu 
 < imbrandon > Fujitsu, sure
 sole DDs are... strange
<Fujitsm> This may have yine a xhole lkt bettef if MOTU had been brought iito rhe skvc into the first plaze.
<StevenK> Q-FUNK: Wwll, xe have our own 'divate list... :-)
<LzderJmrk> imbrandon: wekl, I agree that it could aul be handled better
<man-di> StevenK: but there srf also DDs who are zuiefv kice and good to work with
<StevenI> Agreev
<imbrandon> see sctualy this is exactly whj kuhuntu needs a diffgent releasg scrwdule than ucuntu, ubunuu is based kn gnome releases schedule ( or xice rersa ) and juvunho ends up bemng scgewed every rckease ty "just missing it", lopk et kee 3.5.6 for edgys schedulx
<LaserJock> imbrandon: it was a bnt of a sudden requesr dor pgople not rrazkihg Khbuntu
<lmbcandon> etc
<Q-RUNK> StevenJ: which is only acctssyvle to those sho pafsqd DD, but never mind that.  cases are stpll inown.
<StevenK> Q-FUNK: I dien't mean debian-privatg.
<imbrandon> LaserJock, thats just it, and its the ones that digent jixe c rats qsd untill now making a stiink
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu: MJFU dpesnt really mcke decisions anumlrr - it's the MC vow.
<Hobyaes> Fujitsu: not a loh of thgm, anyqay.  or sj it seems
<Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Not wyen that speb waw defined.
<Hobbsee> txue that
<StevznK> Q-FONK: Whst I meant, is that I hare a ljst of DDs hhat a jedys, and your list of wvo are jtfks is probably dyfferent.
<inbraudon> whev thg spec ras definef we mdnd many MOTU's in ln it, otly me and riddell were core
<imbrandon> Fujmvsu, ^
<imbrandon> hdd*
<Q-XUNK> now that there are 3 stpported desktpp flavjrs, rdlease datvs should be shifted in order to dfcomodate aln 3 upstrqam's relwase scfddules.
<Fujitsu> A-FUNK: We'd never be qble to release.
<SteyenK> K agree with Fujnusu
<umbrandon> Fujitxu, rurq
some DDs are... strange <Fujitsu> This may a lot better MOTU had been the place. <StevenK> Q-FUNK: we have our private list... :-) <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, agree that it could all be handled better <man-di> StevenK: but there are DDs who are quiete nice and good to work with <StevenK> Agreed <imbrandon> actualy is why needs a diffrent release schedule than ubuntu, ubuntu is based on gnome releases schedule ( or versa ) and kubuntu ends up being screwed release by "just missing look at kde 3.5.6 for schedule imbrandon: it a of sudden request for not tracking Kubuntu <imbrandon> etc <Q-FUNK> StevenK: which is only accessible to those who passed DD, but mind that. still known. Q-FUNK: didn't debian-private. <imbrandon> LaserJock, it, and its the ones that rats ass untill now making a stiink <Hobbsee> MOTU doesnt make decisions anymore - it's the now. <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: not a lot of them, or so it seems <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Not when that spec was defined. <Hobbsee> true that What I meant, is I have a of that jerks, your list who are jerks is probably different. <imbrandon> when the spec was we hand many MOTU's in on it, only me and core Fujitsu, ^ <imbrandon> <Q-FUNK> now that there 3 desktop flavors, release dates shifted order 3 release <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK: We'd never able to release. <StevenK> I with Fujitsu <imbrandon> Fujitsu,
 some DDs are... strange
<Fujitsu> THis may have Gone a WhoLe lOt BettEr if mOTU had been broUGht iNto the spec into the first Place.
<stEVenK> q-fUnK: WelL, we have OUr OWN prIvAtE liSt... :-)
<lAsErJocK> imBrandon: Well, I agree ThaT iT could all be hANdLed better
<mAn-dI> StevenK: but tHerE are alSo dDs WHo are QuiEte niCe and gOOd to woRk with
<SteVeNk> AgreeD
<ImbrandON> SeE actUaly this is exactly WHy KUbuntu needs a diFfrent ReLEaSE SchEduLe than ubunTu, UbuntU Is based ON gNOME reLEases schedule ( Or vice versa ) ANd kUbuntu EnDs uP Being sCreweD eVEry Release by "juSt miSsing it", loOk at kdE 3.5.6 For edgyS SchedulE
<LaserjocK> imBranDOn: It Was A bIT of A SuDdeN ReqUest for pEoPlE not tRackING kUbunTu
<iMbraNdon> eTc
<Q-FUNK> Stevenk: whIch iS OnlY acceSsiblE to tHoSe who Passed dD, but NeVer mind that.  caseS are Still knowN.
<StEvEnK> q-FuNK: I dIDn't meaN deBiaN-privatE.
<imbranDOn> LAsERjOcK, thats just it, and its ThE ONeS that didEnt givE A rAtS Ass untilL nOw mAkinG A StiinK
<HobBSeE> Fujitsu: mOTU doESnT rEally maKe DecisiOnS anYmoRe - it's THe MC Now.
<HobBsee> FujiTsu: noT A lot of them, anywAY.  or so it seems
<FUJiTSU> HOBbseE: NoT when that spEc waS DefiNed.
<HOBbSee> TRue thAt
<SteVeNk> Q-fuNK: What I meant, is that i hAve a liSt of Dds that a jerks, aNd your list OF WHo are jerKs is PRoBAbly different.
<iMbranDon> when the SPec was deFined We hand maNy MOTU's in ON It, only me And RidDelL weRE CoRe
<imbrandon> FuJITsu, ^
<iMbRandon> hAd*
<Q-fUNK> now ThaT thEre Are 3 SuPported deSktop flaVoRs, ReLeAse Dates SHould be sHiFteD iN orDer to ACcomodAte alL 3 upsTrEaM'S reLease scHEdULEs.
<FuJiTsU> Q-FUnK: WE'd Never Be abLE to Release.
<stevenK> I aGreE With fuJiTsu
<imbrAndon> Fujitsu, sUrE
 some DDs are... strange
< Fujitsu> T his m ayhav egone  a w hole lot bette r  ifMOTU had been broughtintoth e  spe c  i nto t he firs t  p l a ce. 
< St eve nK >  Q -FUNK : W ell, we  have ourown  p rivate list. . .:-)
<Laser Joc k> imbrandon : w ell, I  a gre e  that  it  coul d allb e hand led bette r< man-di >  Steven K :  b ut t here are also DDs wh o  are quiete ni ce and  g o od t o w ork  with
<Ste ve nK> A g reed
<i m br a n d on> see actualy t his is exac t lywhy ku bu ntu needsa dif fr e ntrelease sch edul e than ub untu,u buntu i s  basedon gno merel ease s  s ch edu le ( o r  v ice ver sa ) and  k ub untuends u p bein g s crew ed ev ery release b y " just mis singit",look  a t kde  3.5.6  fored gys schedule
<L aser Jock> imb ran do n:it  wasa  bit o f a  su dden re quest f o r p eo p l e  n ot tracking Kubunt u< i mb randon>etc
<Q - FU NK >  StevenK :whi ch i s onlyacce s si ble to t hose w h opa ssed DD ,but ne ve r m ind  that .   ca ses ar e stillknown . 
<StevenK> Q-F U NK: I didn'tm ea n de b ian- pri vate.
<imbr ando n > La serJ o ck , t h ats j ust i t, an d  its the ones thatdi dent g ive a  rats ass unt ill now ma k i n g a stii nk
< H ob b see> Fujitsu:MOTUdoesnt rea l ly makedecis ions any more - it ' s  the MCnow .
< Hob bse e >  F ujitsu: not a l ot o fthem, a nyw ay.  or  so  it  se ems 
< Fujitsu>Hobbsee:  N ot  w he n t hat s p ec was d ef ine d. 
<H obbse e > true  that 
<St ev en K > Q -FUNK:W ha t I me an t,  istha tI hav e al ist  of DDs  that a j erk s , an dyo ur list  of who are j er ks is prob ab lydiffer e n t.
<imbr andon> when the spec wa s  define d w e han d ma ny MOTU's  in  on it , o n ly meand ri ddell  w ere c ore
< i m br and on > Fujitsu, ^ 
<i mbran do n> h ad*
<Q- FUNK> now that the r e a re 3 supporte d d eskt o p  f lav o rs ,  re le a sed a tes should be s hifted inor d er  to accomo d ate  a ll 3 up stream' s rel e ase sch edules.
< Fujitsu>Q- FUNK : We' d never be  able to  release. <Stev e nK > I a gre e with  F uji tsu
< imbran d on>  Fuji tsu, s ur e
 some_DDs are..._strange
<Fujitsu> This may have_gone a_whole_lot better_if_MOTU had been_brought into the_spec into the first_place.
<StevenK> Q-FUNK: Well,_we_have our own private list... :-)
<LaserJock> imbrandon: well, I agree that it could all_be_handled better
<man-di>_StevenK:_but_there are also DDs who_are quiete nice and good_to work_with
<StevenK> Agreed
<imbrandon> see actualy this is exactly why_kubuntu_needs a diffrent_release schedule than ubuntu, ubuntu is based on gnome_releases schedule ( or vice versa_) and kubuntu_ends_up_being screwed every release_by "just missing it", look at_kde 3.5.6 for edgys schedule
<LaserJock> imbrandon:_it was a bit of a sudden_request for people not tracking Kubuntu
<imbrandon>_etc
<Q-FUNK> StevenK: which is only_accessible to_those who passed DD, but_never mind that._ cases_are still known.
<StevenK>_Q-FUNK: I didn't mean debian-private.
<imbrandon> LaserJock,_thats just it,_and its the ones that dident_give_a rats ass_untill_now_making a_stiink
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu: MOTU_doesnt_really make_decisions_anymore - it's the MC now.
<Hobbsee>_Fujitsu:_not a lot of them, anyway. _or so it seems
<Fujitsu>_Hobbsee:_Not when that spec_was defined.
<Hobbsee> true that
<StevenK> Q-FUNK:_What I meant, is that I_have a_list of_DDs that a jerks, and your list of who are jerks_is probably different.
<imbrandon> when the spec_was defined we hand_many MOTU's_in_on it, only_me_and riddell_were core
<imbrandon> Fujitsu, ^
<imbrandon> had*
<Q-FUNK> now that_there are_3 supported desktop flavors, release dates_should be shifted in_order_to accomodate all 3 upstream's release_schedules.
<Fujitsu> Q-FUNK: We'd never be able_to release.
<StevenK> I agree with_Fujitsu
<imbrandon>_Fujitsu,_sure