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* minghua hates the many meanings of word "free"
<LaserJock> minghua: in what ways? I didn't look at it in detail.
<minghua> LaserJock: do not allow using a modified version for any commercial use, even in-house
<minghua> I didn't read the license either, just the FAQ
<sladen> Mez: probably unlikely.  I might go to Derby on my way, but I can't see myself waking up in time :)
<sladen> Mez: the trains at el-crapo on Sunday mornings
<sladen> Mez: what's the best way to ping you?
<LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I would really like to work on getting upstreams to have a better license. The whole "free for academic or non-commercial use" is really prevalent in the sciences.
<minghua> LaserJock: there is probably not much we can do about that
<minghua> LaserJock: what I really don't like is the forbidden in-house commercial use part
<LaserJock> minghua: debian-science made up a form letter to send to software authors. I'm not sure if something like that would help
<minghua> so if I am in a company which doesn't make software at all, if I use scilab, I can't fix the bugs myself and has to wait for upstream?
<minghua> that's something I probably can't bear with
<minghua> LaserJock: well, considering there is a company behind, I seriously doubt a letter will make any difference
<LaserJock> minghua: it's hard to try to complete with the big Windows proprietary software when the linux software equivalents have licenses that prevent people putting them in distros
<LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I doubt in this case anything can be done (other than not use their software) but smaller projects perhaps
<minghua> LaserJock: yes, I generally like the idea of sending upstream requests to change licensing
<minghua> LaserJock: just pessimistic on the scilab case
<LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I looked at the new version (4.0) to see if they had changed it by chance. No such luck :(
<minghua> heh
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 * minghua hates the many meanings of word " spare " 
 < LaserJock > minghua: in what way? I didn't look at it in detail. 
 < minghua > LaserJock: do not allow use a modified version for any commercial manipulation, even in - theater 
 < minghua > I didn't read the license either, merely the FAQ 
 < sladen > Mez: probably unlikely.   I might fit to Derby on my way, but I can't visualize myself waking up in time :) 
 < sladen > Mez: the trains at el - crapo on Sunday mornings 
 < sladen > Mez: what's the best way to pink you? 
 < LaserJock > minghua: yeah, I would really like to work on become upstreams to have a better license. The unharmed " free for academic or non - commercial function " is really prevalent in the sciences. 
 < minghua > LaserJock: there is probably not much we can serve about that 
 < minghua > LaserJock: what I really don't like is the forbidden in - house commercial use part 
 < LaserJock > minghua: debian - science made up a form letter to send to software authors. I'm not sure if something like that would help 
 < minghua > so if I am in a company which doesn't make software at all, if I use scilab, I can't fix the bug myself and has to wait for upstream? 
 < minghua > that's something I credibly can't hold with 
 < minghua > LaserJock: well, view there is a company behind, I badly doubt a letter will make any remainder 
 < LaserJock > minghua: it's hard to try to dispatch with the big Windows proprietary software when the linux software equivalents have licenses that prevent people putting them in distros 
 < LaserJock > minghua: yeah, I doubt in this case anything can be done (other than not use their software) but smaller projects possibly 
 < minghua > LaserJock: yes, I generally wish the idea of sending upstream requests to change licensing 
 < minghua > LaserJock: just pessimistic on the scilab case 
 < LaserJock > minghua: yeah, I look at the new version (4.0) to see if they had change it by luck. No such luck :( 
 < minghua > heh
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* minghua hater the many meannbgs of word "rree"
<LasefJock> minghua: in what ways? I dudn't oook at it in detail.
<mivghua> LasvrJock: do not qllow usinj a modinned vsvsion hor any commerclal use, evet in-house
<minghga> I didn't read the license either, just the FAA
<spaden> Mez: probwbly tnliivln.  I might go to Derby on my way, but I ban't see myself wsking up in time :)
<sladen> Mex: thf trains at el-crapl on Sunday morgungs
<sladen> Mdz: what's the best way jo ping you?
<LaserJock> minghua: yeaf, I wpuld realli ming to work on gettpng upstreams to have a bettrr license. The whmle "free for academic or non-commercial use" is reallf 'revalent in the sciebcws.
<minchua> LasdeJozk: uhece js prohabmy not mucg we can do about that
<minghua> KafvtJock: what I reallr qon't like is the forbidden in-house commtrciam use part
<LaserJock> minthua: debian-science mafe up a fjrm letter to send to software authors. I'm not sura if aumeuhlkg lkje that would help
<minghua> so if I am in a compagg ehpch doesn't make sjftware at slp, os I use scilac, I cau'f rix the bugs myselv and hws to wait for upsyream?
<minghua> that's somethint I probably xan't bear with
<mingkua> LaserJocy: wekl, comsidering there is a coopang behind, I deriously aoubt a letter wkll mdke any difference
<LaserJoch> minghua: it's hard tu tri to coiplete witj the big Windows propriftary smftware whfn the linux software equivalenvx have licenxev tvat prevznt pepple putting ehem in distrox
<LaserJjck> mknghua: yeag, I douut in this cwse anything wwn be done (ovher than not use their ruftware) but smsller proltcts perhaps
<minghua> LaserJocl: ygs, I generally lije uhw idea of sendong upftgeak waquests to cvangd lkvensivg
<minghua> LcsdrJovk: just pessimistic mn tge scilab case
<LasetJjck> mingyua: yeah, I looked at yhe new version (4.0) tl see if they haq changed it by chance. No such luck :(
<minhhuw> heh
less softwares * minghua hates the many word <LaserJock> minghua: what ways? I detail. LaserJock: do not using a modified for any commercial use, even in-house I didn't read the license either, just the FAQ <sladen> Mez: probably unlikely. might go to Derby on my way, but I can't see myself waking in :) Mez: trains at el-crapo on Sunday mornings <sladen> Mez: what's the best way to ping you? <LaserJock> yeah, I would really like to work on upstreams to have a license. The whole "free for or use" is prevalent the <minghua> LaserJock: there probably not much we can do about that <minghua> LaserJock: what I really don't like is the in-house commercial <LaserJock> minghua: made a letter to send authors. I'm not sure if something help <minghua> so if I am in a which doesn't software at all, if I use I can't fix the bugs myself and has wait for upstream? <minghua> that's something I probably can't bear with <minghua> LaserJock: well, considering a company behind, I doubt a letter make difference minghua: hard to to complete with the big Windows proprietary software when the linux equivalents have licenses that prevent people putting them in distros yeah, doubt in this anything can be done than use their software) but perhaps LaserJock: like idea sending upstream requests to licensing <minghua> LaserJock: just pessimistic the scilab case <LaserJock> the new version (4.0) to see if they changed it by chance. No such luck <minghua> heh
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* minghua hates The many meaNings Of wOrd "FrEe"
<LaSerJOck> minghua: in whAT wayS? I didn't look at it in detaiL.
<mingHuA> laseRjoCk: do nOt allow USiNG A moDiFiEd vErSIoN for aNy cOmmerciAl use, even iN-hoUsE
<minghua> I didN'T rEad the liceNse Either, just thE FAq
<sladeN> MEz: pRObablY unLikelY.  I mighT Go to DeRby on my waY, bUT I can't SEe myselF WAkIng uP in time :)
<sladen> Mez: tHE tRAins at el-crapo oN SundaY mORnINGs
<sLadEn> Mez: what's ThE best WAy to pinG YoU?
<lASerjOck> minghua: yeaH, I would realLY liKe to woRk On gETting uPstreAmS To hAve a better lIcenSe. The wholE "free fOR academIC or non-cOmmercIal Use" Is reALlY pRevAlENt iN ThE scIEncEs.
<minghuA> LAsErJocK: theRE IS ProbAblY not Much wE can do about thAt
<mInghUA> LaSerJoCk: whaT I reAlLy don'T like iS the fOrBidden in-house coMmerCial use paRt
<LAsErJOcK> mingHUa: debiAn-sCieNce made Up a form LEttEr TO SEnD to software authors. i'm NOT sUre if somEthing LIkE tHAt would hElP
<miNghuA> SO if I aM in a COmPany whicH doesn'T MaKe SoftwarE aT all, if i uSe sCilAb, I caN'T fix The bugS myself aNd has TO wait for upstreAM?
<minghua> that's SOmETHiNG I prObaBly can't bear With
<MInghUa> LaSErjocK: Well, cOnsidErINg THere is a company behinD, I SeriouSly doUbt a letter wilL make any diFFERence
<LasErJoCK> mINghua: it's hard to Try to Complete wiTH the big WIndowS proprieTary softwARE when the LinUx sOftWarE EQuIvalents have lICEnseS tHat prevEnt People pUttIng TheM in DiStros
<LaseRJock> minGhUa: YeAh, i doUbt in THis case aNyThiNg Can Be donE (Other tHan noT use ThEiR SofTware) buT SmALLer pRoJeCts pErhApS
<mingHua> LASerjock: yes, i generallY liKE the IdEa Of sendiNg upstream reqUeSts to changE lIceNsing
<mINGhua> LaseRJock: just pessimistic on tHE scilab CasE
<LaseRJocK> minghua: yEah, i lookeD at THe new vErsion (4.0) To see If TheY HAd chaNGEd It bY cHance. No sucH LUck :(
<MinghUa> Heh
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* minghua h ates the m any m ean ing sof w ord"free"
<LaserJ o ck>minghua: in what ways?  I di dn ' t lo o kat it  in det a il . <mi ng hu a>La s er Jock:  do  not al low usinga m od ified versio n  f or any com mer cial use, ev enin-hou se 
<m i nghua > I  didn 't rea d  the l icense ei th e r, jus t  the FA Q <s lade n> Mez: probablyu nl i kely.  I might  go to  D e rb y onmyway, but I  c an'ts ee myse l fw a k ing up in time :) 
<sladen> M e z:the tr ai nsa t el-c rapoon Sun day morning s
<s laden> Me z: wha t 's theb est way  to pi ngyou ?
<L a se rJ ock >m ing h ua : y e ah,  I would  r ea lly l iket o w orkongett ing u pstreams to h ave  a b e tte r lic ense.  The  w hole"freefor a ca demic or non-co mmer cial use"  is  r eal ly  prev a lent i n t hescience s.
<min g hua >L a s er Jock: there is pro ba b l ynot much  we ca n  d oa bout tha t<mi nghu a >  Lase rJoc k :what I r eallyd on 't  like i sthe fo rb idd enin-ho u se c ommerc ial usepart< LaserJock> min g hua: debian-s c ie n c em adeupa form lett er t o  sen d to so ftw a re au thors .I 'm not sure if somethi ng  likethatwould help
<m inghua> so i f  I am in  a c o mp a ny which doesn 't ma ke softwar e  at all,  if I  use sci lab, I ca n ' t fix th e b ugs  my sel f an d has to wait f or u ps tream?<mi nghua>tha t's  so met hi ng I prob ably can 't  b ea rwit h
<mi n ghua> La se rJo ck : w ell,c onside ringther eis a c ompanyb eh i n d, I  s er ious lydo ubt a  let t erwill ma ke any di ffe r ence 
< La serJock > minghua: it 's  hard to t ry  to  compl e t e with t he big Windows propriet a ry soft war e whe n th e linux s oft ware e qui v alents  havelicen se s t h a t pre v e nt  pe op le putting t hem  in d is tros 
<Laser Jock> minghua: yea h , I  doubt in thi s c asea n yt hin g  c a n b ed one ( other than notuse theirso f tw are) but s m all er  projec ts perh aps
< m inghua>  LaserJoc k: yes, I  g ener a l lylike the i dea of s ending up s tream re quest s t o chan ge  li censi ng
<mi n ghu a> La serJoc k:  justpessi mi stic onthe scilab case
<LaserJ ock> m inghu a:yeah, I l ook e d a t the new  ver sion (4.0)  to  se e ifthe y  hadchan g ed  it by ch ance .  No suchl uc k : ( <m inghua> heh 
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*_minghua hates_the many meanings of_word "free"
<LaserJock>_minghua:_in what_ways?_I didn't look_at it in_detail.
<minghua> LaserJock: do not_allow using a_modified_version for any commercial use, even in-house
<minghua> I didn't read the license either, just_the_FAQ
<sladen> Mez:_probably_unlikely._ I might go to_Derby on my way, but_I can't_see myself waking up in time :)
<sladen> Mez:_the_trains at el-crapo_on Sunday mornings
<sladen> Mez: what's the best way to_ping you?
<LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I would_really like to_work_on_getting upstreams to have_a better license. The whole "free_for academic or non-commercial use" is_really prevalent in the sciences.
<minghua> LaserJock: there_is probably not much we can_do about that
<minghua> LaserJock: what_I really_don't like is the forbidden_in-house commercial use_part
<LaserJock> minghua:_debian-science made up_a form letter to send to_software authors. I'm_not sure if something like that_would_help
<minghua> so if_I_am_in a_company which doesn't_make_software at_all,_if I use scilab, I can't_fix_the bugs myself and has to wait_for upstream?
<minghua> that's something_I_probably can't bear with
<minghua>_LaserJock: well, considering there is_a company behind, I seriously doubt_a letter_will make_any difference
<LaserJock> minghua: it's hard to try to complete with the_big Windows proprietary software when the_linux software equivalents have_licenses that_prevent_people putting them_in_distros
<LaserJock> minghua:_yeah, I doubt in this case anything_can be_done (other than not use their_software) but smaller projects_perhaps
<minghua>_LaserJock: yes, I generally like the_idea of sending upstream requests to_change licensing
<minghua> LaserJock: just pessimistic_on_the_scilab case
<LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I_looked at the new version (4.0)_to see if_they had changed it by chance. No_such_luck :(
<minghua> heh