 that Banshee wasn't such a good starting point!
<squentin> essial: you can also install the needed libraries in a folder and set some environment variables so it is found
<squentin> I'm just not sure what env variables, at least PKG_CONFIG_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
<crimsun> xauth is generally preferable to xhost.
<crimsun> or, ssh -Y
<emgent> heya crimsun :)
<crimsun> hi emgent :)
<superm1> but for the purposes of a pbuilder for someone new, it's simplicity
<essial> hey wouldn't it be just as easy to install a full dist inside of vmware?
<RAOF> It might be, yes.
<RAOF> If you happen to already have vmware (or some other virtualisation jobby) set up.
<essial> is there a hardy cd or should i just base install and enable hardy sources
<ScottK2> You can do either
<ScottK2> One advantage of the pbuilder approach is you always know you are starting with a clean chroot.  You can do that in a virtual environment, but you do need to rememberto do it.
<essial> i can just save a copy of the built system
<essial> but then x and everything runs out of the box
<ScottK2> Yes.  You can
<essial> cool well that will make things much nicer
<essial> do you guys run hardy for your main system?
<essial> and to answer your question RAOF: yes, I have vmware as I do os development from time to time
<ScottK2> essial: I've got several machines.  The one that runs Hardy is just for development and testing.
<essial> torrents are awsome :) its only pulling 500kb/sec but thats better than the 90 the server was doing
<RAOF> I do use hardy as my main system.
<RAOF> It means that I hit bugs more often, so I'm more motivated to fix them ;)
<essial> perhaps i should do so too then
<RAOF> It'll *certainly* force you to learn about apt ;)
<essial> that would allow me to easily develop native right?
<ess
that Banshee wasn't such a good starting point! 
 < squentin > essial: you can also install the need library in a folder and set some environment variables so it is establish 
 < squentin > I'm just not sure what env variables, at least PKG_CONFIG_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
 < crimsun > xauth is broadly preferable to xhost. 
 < crimsun > or, ssh -Y 
 < emgent > heya crimsun :) 
 < crimsun > hi emgent :) 
 < superm1 > but for the function of a pbuilder for someone new, it's simplicity 
 < essial > hey wouldn't it be just as comfortable to install a full dist inside of vmware? 
 < RAOF > It might be, yes. 
 < RAOF > If you happen to already have vmware (or some other virtualisation jobby) jell up. 
 < essial > is there a hardy cd or should i just base install and enable hardy reference 
 < ScottK2 > You can do either 
 < ScottK2 > One advantage of the pbuilder approach is you always sleep together you are starting with a clean chroot.   You can do that in a virtual environment, but you do need to rememberto make it. 
 < essial > i can just save a copy of the built system 
 < essial > but then x and everything run out of the box 
 < ScottK2 > Yes.   You can 
 < essial > cool well that will make things much nicer 
 < essial > do you guy run hardy for your main system? 
 < essial > and to answer your question RAOF: yes, I have vmware as I do os development from time to time 
 < ScottK2 > essial: I've get several machines.   The one that run Hardy is barely for development and testing. 
 < essial > torrents are awsome :) its lone pulling 500kb / sec but that s better than the 90 the server was doing 
 < RAOF > I do practice hardy as my main system. 
 < RAOF > It means that I hit bugs more often, so I'm more motivated to fix them ;) 
 < essial > perhaps i should do so too then 
 < RAOF > It'll * surely * force you to memorize about apt ;) 
 < essial > that would allow me to easily develop native right? 
 < ess
 thwt Banshee wasn't such a nood starting ponbt!
<squeitin> esaial: you can also install the needed lubrarues in a folder and seg some ennironment varmables so it is hkund
<squcutin> J'l juvv not sure what env variatles, at least [KE_CLNFIG_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
<crimsun> vauth ix henerally prefgrablt tj xhkst.
<crimsun> or, ssh -Y
<emgent> heya crijsun :)
<crpmsun> hi emgent :)
<siperm1> but for the purposes of w pbuilder for somfone new, it'w siiplicity
<essiau> hey wouldn't it be juat as easy to install a full dirt inxide of vmqaee?
<RWMF> It might be, yvs.
<RAOF> If you happen do alresdy have vmwarc (or vomw other virtualisatioi jobby) set up.
<essial> is there a hardy cd or shouod i juvt bdse kbstxll aid snable hacdy sources
<AcottK2> You xan do either
<ScottK2> Ogv advantage or the [btilder approach is you always know you dre starting with a clean xhroot.  You can do thwt in a vyrtual environment, but you do need to rememberto go it.
<xsriao> l cav jkst save a copy of the built system
<essial> but fhtn q and everything vuns out of the boc
<SfoyjK2> Yes.  You cav
<essial> ckol well that will make trings much nictr
<essoal> do you guys run hardy fir your main wystem?
<essial> and tl answer yobr quextion RAOF: yes, I have vmware as J do os devflopment rfom time to time
<RcontK2> assial: I've got several macrines.  Thx one that rjns Nardy ys just fog devcnopment and testinh.
<essicl> tosrents are awsome :) its only pulling 500kb/sec but thats betjer thdn the 90 che sevver was doing
<RWOF> I do use hcrdy as iy makn system.
<RZOF> It keans that Y hit bugs mosg often, so I'm more moeivared ro fix gfem ;)
<essial> pernaps i should do so too then
<RAOF> It'll *cettzinly* force you to learn about apy ;)
<ersiwl> tiat wjgld allow me to daskky dexelop nativc rkght?
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that Banshee wasn't such a good starting essial: can also the needed libraries some variables so it found <squentin> I'm not sure what env variables, at PKG_CONFIG_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH <crimsun> xauth is generally preferable to xhost. <crimsun> or, ssh <emgent> heya crimsun :) <crimsun> hi emgent :) <superm1> but for the purposes a for new, simplicity <essial> hey wouldn't it be just as easy to install a full dist inside of <RAOF> It might be, yes. <RAOF> If you to already have vmware some other virtualisation jobby) set <essial> there a cd should just base install enable hardy sources <ScottK2> You can do either <ScottK2> One advantage of the pbuilder approach is you know you with a chroot. can that in a but you do need to rememberto i can just save a copy of the system <essial> then x and everything runs out the box <ScottK2> Yes. You can <essial> cool that will make things much nicer <essial> do you guys run hardy for your main and to answer your RAOF: yes, I vmware I os from time time <ScottK2> essial: I've got several machines. The one that runs is just for development and testing. <essial> torrents are awsome only 500kb/sec but thats than the 90 the was <RAOF> I do use my system. that hit more often, so I'm motivated to fix them ;) perhaps i should do *certainly* force you to learn about apt ;) that would allow me to easily develop right? <ess
 that Banshee wasn't such a good Starting poInt!
<sqUenTin> EsSial: You cAn also install tHE neeDed libraries in a folder aNd set SoME envIRoNment VariablES sO IT is FoUnD
<sqUeNTiN> I'm juSt nOt sure wHat env variAblEs, At least PKG_COnfIg_PATH and LD_lIBrARY_PATH
<crimSun> Xauth iS gEneRAlly pRefErablE to xhoST.
<crimsUn> or, ssh -Y
<eMgENt> heya CRimsun :)
<cRIMsUn> hi Emgent :)
<superm1> but foR ThE Purposes of a pbuIlder fOr SOmEONe nEw, iT's simpliciTy
<EssiaL> Hey woulDN't IT BE juST as easy to instAll a full disT InsIde of vMwAre?
<raOF> It mIght bE, yES.
<RAoF> If you happEn to Already haVe vmwaRE (or some OTher virTualisAtiOn jObby) SEt Up.
<EssIaL> Is tHErE a hARdy Cd or shouLd I jUst baSe inSTALL and EnaBle hArdy sOurces
<ScottK2> YOu cAn do EIthEr
<ScoTtK2> OnE advAnTage oF the pbUildeR aPproach is you alwAys kNow you are StaRtIng WiTh a clEAn chroOt.  YOu cAn do thaT in a virTUal EnVIROnMent, but you do need to ReMEMbErto do it.
<Essial> I CaN jUSt save a cOpY of The bUILt sysTem
<eSSiAl> but theN x and eVErYtHing runS oUt of thE bOx
<SCotTK2> Yes.  yOu caN
<essiaL> cool welL that WIll make things mUCh nicer
<essial> DO yOU GuYS run HarDy for your maIn sySTem?
<eSsiaL> AnD to ANswer Your qUeSTiON RAOF: yes, I have vmware As i do os dEveloPment from time To time
<ScotTk2> ESsial: I've Got sEVeRAl machines.  The oNe thaT runs Hardy IS just for DevelOpment anD testing.
<eSSIal> torreNts Are AwsOme :) ITS oNly pulling 500kb/sEC But tHaTs betteR thAn the 90 thE seRveR waS doInG
<RAOF> I do uSe hardy aS mY mAiN sYstEm.
<RAOf> it means tHaT I hIt BugS more OFten, so i'm morE motIvAtED to Fix them ;)
<ESsIAL> perHaPs I shoUld Do So too Then
<raOF> it'll *cerTainly* forCe yOU to lEaRn About apT ;)
<essial> that woUlD allow me to EaSilY develOP Native riGht?
<ess
 that Banshee wasn't sucha good sta rting  po int !<squ enti n> essial: you canalso install the neede d lib ra r iesi na fol der and se t som een vir on m en t var iab les soit is foun d
< sq uentin> I'mj us t not sure  wh at env varia ble s, atle ast PKG_C ONF IG_PA TH and LD_LIB RARY_PATH 
< c rimsun >  xauthi s  g ener ally preferable t o  x h ost.
<crimsun>  or, s sh -Y < emg ent > heya cri ms un :) <crimsu n >h i emg e nt :)
<superm 1> but fort hepurpos es  of a pbui lderfo r  so meone new,it's  simplici ty
<es s ial> he y  wouldn 't itbejus t as ea sy  to  i n sta l la f u lldist ins id eof vm ware ? < R AOF>  It  mig ht be , yes.
<RAOF>  If  you hap pen t o alr eady  h ave v mware(or s om e other virtual isat ion jobby ) s et  up .<essi a l> isthe rea hardy  cd ors hou ld i ju st base install an de n ab le hardy  sourc e s<S c ottK2> Y ou  ca n do e ither 
<Sc o tt K2> Oneadvant a ge  o f the p bu ilderap pro ach  is y o u al ways k now youare s t arting with ac lean chroot.Yo u ca n  dotha t in a virt uale nvir onme n t,  bu t  youdo ne ed to rememberto do it.
< es sial>i can  just save acopy of th e b uilt sys tem< es s ial> but thenx and  everythin g  runs ou t ofthe box<ScottK2> Y es.  You  ca n
< ess ial > co ol well thatw i ll m ak e thing s m uch nic er<es sia l>do  you guys  run har dy  f or  y our  main system?<e ssi al > a nd to answer  your  que st io n  RA OF: yes ,  I h avevm wa re a s I  d o osdeve l opm ent fro m time to  ti m e
<S co tt K2> ess ial: I've got  s everal mac hi nes .  The o ne thatruns Hardy is just ford evelopm ent  andtest ing.
<ess ial > torr ent s  are a wsome:) it sonl y pulli n g  5 00k b/ sec but th a t s b etter  t hanthe 90the server was doi n g
< RAOF> I do us e h ardy a smym ai n  sy st e m.< R AOF> It means t hat I hitbu g smore often ,  so  I 'm more  motiva ted t o  fix th em ;)
<es sial> per ha ps i s hou ld do so t oo then<RAOF> It ' ll *c e rt ainly * f orce y ou  to  lear n abou t  ap t ;)<essia l>  thatwould  a llow meto easily develop nativ e righ t?
<e ss
 that_Banshee wasn't_such a good starting_point!
<squentin> essial:_you_can also_install_the needed libraries_in a folder_and set some environment_variables so it_is_found
<squentin> I'm just not sure what env variables, at least PKG_CONFIG_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
<crimsun> xauth_is_generally preferable_to_xhost.
<crimsun>_or, ssh -Y
<emgent> heya crimsun_:)
<crimsun> hi emgent :)
<superm1> but_for the_purposes of a pbuilder for someone new, it's_simplicity
<essial>_hey wouldn't it_be just as easy to install a full dist_inside of vmware?
<RAOF> It might be,_yes.
<RAOF> If you_happen_to_already have vmware (or_some other virtualisation jobby) set up.
<essial>_is there a hardy cd or_should i just base install and enable_hardy sources
<ScottK2> You can do either
<ScottK2>_One advantage of the pbuilder_approach is_you always know you are_starting with a_clean chroot._ You can_do that in a virtual environment,_but you do_need to rememberto do it.
<essial> i_can_just save a_copy_of_the built_system
<essial> but then_x_and everything_runs_out of the box
<ScottK2> Yes. _You_can
<essial> cool well that will make things_much nicer
<essial> do you_guys_run hardy for your_main system?
<essial> and to answer_your question RAOF: yes, I have_vmware as_I do_os development from time to time
<ScottK2> essial: I've got several machines._ The one that runs Hardy_is just for development_and testing.
<essial>_torrents_are awsome :)_its_only pulling_500kb/sec but thats better than the 90_the server_was doing
<RAOF> I do use hardy_as my main system.
<RAOF>_It_means that I hit bugs more_often, so I'm more motivated to_fix them ;)
<essial> perhaps i_should_do_so too then
<RAOF> It'll *certainly*_force you to learn about apt_;)
<essial> that would_allow me to easily develop native right?
<ess