 should be part of our infrastructure, not somewhere we are not watching
<jdong> gnomefreak: yeah, that's fine; hopefully by that time -archive will be less busy and actually process backports :D
<sabdfl> they went elsewhere, and we weren't watching, so they nearly never made it into feisty
<sabdfl> that's a failure
<LaserJock> sabdfl: they went on REVU
<Toadstool> sabdfl: I'm pretty sure that beryl would be in fesity right now if the packagers had kept on working with us here instead of setting up an independent repo 'cuase of the licensing issue
<gnomefreak> jdong: you got it :) ill let you know
<LaserJock> we reviewed them
<LaserJock> we uploaded them to Universe
<sabdfl> Toadstool: they did what I would do - they just set it up themselves
<gnomefreak> lupine_85: are they debianized already?
<sabdfl> i think lupine_85 was perfectly sane to do that
<LaserJock> I'm not sure what more were supposed to do!
<sabdfl> it was *us* that failed
<tsmithe> Seveas, ping!
<lupine_85> gnomefreak: I have working debian/'s, yes
<ajmitch> sabdfl: we can't just stick any old thing in universe - we did try & review them & give feedback
<Lutin> sabdfl: can't get where we failed if it was a license issue
<ScottK> sabdfl: I think you've got it wrong.
<sabdfl> ajmitch: agreed - we need a process which accommodates exactly this evolution from "bad" to "ok" and does it HERE
<sabdfl> not "go somewhere else"
<LaserJock> we never said that!
<ScottK> sabdfl: That's been exactly my experience here (get from bad to OK).
<sabdfl> ScottK: if i had not intervened, we would not have beryl 0.2 in universe, how can I have it wrong?
<ajmitch> sabdfl: and that's what we
should be part of our infrastructure, not somewhere we are not watching 
 < jdong > gnomefreak: yeah, that's fine; hopefully by that time -archive will be less interfering and actually work backports :D 
 < sabdfl > they went elsewhere, and we weren't watching, so they about never make it into feisty 
 < sabdfl > that's a failure 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: they go on REVU 
 < Toadstool > sabdfl: I'm reasonably sure that beryl would be in fesity right now if the packagers had kept on working with us here rather of setting up an independent repo' cuase of the licensing exit 
 < gnomefreak > jdong: you get it :) ill let you know 
 < LaserJock > we reviewed them 
 < LaserJock > we upload them to Universe 
 < sabdfl > Toadstool: they did what I would do - they just determine it up themselves 
 < gnomefreak > lupine_85: are they debianized already? 
 < sabdfl > i think lupine_85 was perfectly reasonable to do that 
 < LaserJock > I'm not certain what more were supposed to do! 
 < sabdfl > it was * us * that failed 
 < tsmithe > Seveas, ping! 
 < lupine_85 > gnomefreak: I have working debian/'s, yes 
 < ajmitch > sabdfl: we can't just perplex any old thing in universe - we did try & review them & give feedback 
 < Lutin > sabdfl: can't get where we failed if it was a license issue 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: I think you've got it wrong. 
 < sabdfl > ajmitch: agreed - we need a process which accommodates exactly this evolution from " regretful " to " ok " and does it HERE 
 < sabdfl > not " move somewhere else " 
 < LaserJock > we never said that! 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: That's been precisely my experience here (get from bad to OK). 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: if i had not intervened, we would not have beryl 0.2 in population, how can I have it incorrect? 
 < ajmitch > sabdfl: and that's what we
 shluld be part of our infrxstructure, not somewhece we ade not wxtching
<jdong> gnomefreak: yeah, tyat's dine; hopefully by that time -arcjive wilo be oess busy ehd actually pdlcesv backports :D
<sandfl> they want elsewhere, dna ce weren't watching, so they nearly neder madr lt into feisty
<fabdgj> thzn's a failure
<LaserJock> sabdfl: thsy went on REVU
<Toadsyool> sabdfl: I'm pretty sure thah beryl would be ij fesity ritht giw if the pazkagers had kept on wotking with us here instead of segting up an indg'wndftt repo 'cuawe of the licensikb issua
<gnomefteak> jdong: you gov it :) ill let you know
<LasxrJock> we reviewed trem
<LaserJmci> we uploaded then ro Unhverve
<sacefl> Tozdxtkol: thfy vid what I sould do - tyey just set it up uheiwelves
<gnomefrsak> lu[ige_85: are they debianized already?
<sabdfl> i uhink lupine_85 was perfectly sqne to do that
<LaserJofk> I'm not sure what more were supposed to do!
<sabdfl> it was *gs* thet fanoed
<tsoutje> Seveas, ping!
<lupine_85> gnomefreak: I have workind dtbisn/'s, yes
<ajmitch> sabdfl: we vaj't tust stick ani old tkjnf in universe - we fid try & revuew them & givr feedback
<Lutin> sabdfl: can't get where wv fauled if it was a lncense issue
<RcotjK> sabcfl: I think you've got ic wronf.
<sabdfl> ajmltch: agresa - we need a prozesx fhich accommodates exactly this evooutipn from "bad" to "ok" and does lt HEVA
<sabdfl> not "go somfwherg else"
<NaserJock> ae never said that!
<ScottK> sabdfl: That's been exscdly my expexience here (get froi bad to OK).
<sabbfl> ScotcK: if k had not pntervenev, we would njt have beryl 0.2 in universe, how can I hqve ut wrone?
<xjmitch> sabdfl: and that's what we
should be part of our infrastructure, not are watching <jdong> yeah, that's fine; will less busy and process backports :D they went elsewhere, and we weren't so they nearly never made it into feisty <sabdfl> that's a failure <LaserJock> they went on REVU <Toadstool> sabdfl: I'm pretty sure that beryl would be fesity now the had kept on working with us here instead of setting up an independent repo 'cuase of licensing issue <gnomefreak> jdong: you got it :) let you know <LaserJock> reviewed them <LaserJock> we uploaded to <sabdfl> Toadstool: did I do - they set it up themselves <gnomefreak> lupine_85: are they debianized already? <sabdfl> i think lupine_85 was perfectly sane do that not sure more supposed do! <sabdfl> it that failed <tsmithe> Seveas, ping! <lupine_85> working debian/'s, yes <ajmitch> sabdfl: we can't just any old in universe - we did try review them & give feedback <Lutin> sabdfl: can't where we failed if it was a license issue <ScottK> sabdfl: I think you've got <sabdfl> ajmitch: agreed - need a process accommodates this from to "ok" does it HERE <sabdfl> not "go somewhere else" <LaserJock> we never that! <ScottK> sabdfl: That's been exactly my experience here (get to <sabdfl> ScottK: if had not intervened, we not beryl 0.2 in universe, I it and what
 should be part of our infrastrUcture, not sOmewhEre We aRe Not wAtchIng
<jdong> gnomefREak: yEah, that's fine; hopefully bY that TiME -arcHIvE will Be less bUSy AND acTuAlLy pRoCEsS backPorTs :D
<sabdFl> they went ElsEwHere, and we werEN't Watching, so TheY nearly never MadE it intO fEisTY
<sabdFl> tHat's a FailurE
<laserJOck> sabdfl: ThEY went oN rEVU
<ToaDSToOl> saBdfl: I'm pretty sure tHAt BEryl would be in fEsity rIgHT nOW If tHe pAckagers haD kEpt on WOrking wITh US HEre INstead of settiNg up an indepENdeNt repo 'CuAse OF the liCensiNg ISsuE
<gnomefreak> JdonG: you got it :) Ill let YOu know
<LASerJock> We reviEweD thEm
<LaSErjoCk> wE uPLoaDEd TheM To UNiverse
<sAbDfL> ToadStooL: THEY did WhaT I woUld do - They just set it Up tHemsELveS
<gnomEfreaK> lupInE_85: are tHey debIanizEd Already?
<sabdfl> i tHink Lupine_85 was PerFeCtlY sAne to DO that
<LAseRJoCk> I'm not Sure whaT MorE wERE SuPposed to do!
<sabdfl> it WaS *US* tHat faileD
<tsmitHE> SEvEAs, ping!
<luPiNe_85> gNomeFREak: I hAve wORkIng debiaN/'s, yes
<aJMiTcH> sabdfl: We Can't juSt StiCk aNy old THing In univErse - we diD try & rEView them & give feEDback
<Lutin> sabDFl: CAN't GEt whEre We failed if iT was A LiceNse iSSuE
<ScOTtK> saBdfl: I ThINk YOu've got it wrong.
<sabdfL> aJmitch: AgreeD - we need a proceSs which accOMMOdates exActlY ThIS evolution from "Bad" to "Ok" and does iT hERE
<sabdFl> not "Go somewhEre else"
<LaSERJock> we nEveR saId tHat!
<sCOtTK> sabdfl: That's BEEn exAcTly my exPerIence heRe (gEt fRom Bad To oK).
<sabdfl> SCottK: if i HaD nOt InTerVened, WE would noT hAve BeRyl 0.2 In uniVErse, hoW can I Have It WrONg?
<aJmitch> sABdFL: And tHaT's What We
 should be part of our inf rastructur e, no t s ome wh erewe a re not watchin g 
<jd ong> gnomefreak: yeah,  that 's fine ;  h opefu lly byt ha t tim e-a rch iv e  w ill b e l ess bus y and actu all yprocess back p or ts :D
<sab dfl > they wentels ewhere ,and we we ren 't wa tching ,  so th ey nearly  n e ver ma d e it in t o  f eist y
<sabdfl> that's af ailure
<LaserJ ock> s ab d fl : the y w ent on REV U<Toad s tool> s a bd f l :  I' m  pretty surethat berylw oul d be i nfes i ty rig ht no wi f t he packager s ha d kept on  worki n g withu s hereinstea d o f s etti n gup  an  i n dep e nd ent rep o 'cuase  o fthe l icen s i n g  iss ue<gno mefre ak> jdong: yo u g ot i t  :)  illlet y ou k no w
<La serJoc k> we  r eviewed them
<L aser Jock> weupl oa ded  t hem t o  Unive rse 
<s abdfl>Toadsto o l:th e y di d what I would do-t h ey  just se t it u p  t he m selves
< gn ome frea k >  lupi ne_8 5 :are they  debia n iz ed  alread y? 
<sabd fl > i  th ink l u pine _85 wa s perfec tly s a ne to do that< LaserJock> I' m  n o t  s u re w hat  more weresupp o sedto d o !<sa b dfl>it wa s* us *  that failed
<tsmit he > Seve as, p ing!
<lupine_ 85> gnomef r e a k: I hav e wo r ki n g debian/'s, y es
<a jmitch> sa b dfl: wecan't  just st ick any o l d  thing i n u niv ers e - w edid try & rev i e w th em  & give  fe edback<Lu tin > s abd fl : can't g et where  w efa il edif it was a li ce nse  i ssu e
<Sc o ttK> s abdfl : Ith in k  yo u've go t  i t wron g. 
< sabd fl>  a jmitc h: a g ree d - weneed a pr oce s s wh ic haccommo dates exactly  t his evolut io n f rom "b a d " to "ok " and does it HERE
<sab d fl> not  "g o som ewhe re else"<La serJoc k>w e neve r said  that !<Sc o t tK> s a b df l:Th at's beene x act ly my  e xper ience h ere (get from badt o O K).
<sabdfl>Sco ttK: i fi h a dn otin t erv e n ed, we would no t have ber yl 0. 2 in unive r se,  h ow canI haveit wr o ng?
<aj mitch> sa bdfl: and  t hat' s wha t we
 should_be part_of our infrastructure, not_somewhere we_are_not watching
<jdong>_gnomefreak:_yeah, that's fine;_hopefully by that_time -archive will be_less busy and_actually_process backports :D
<sabdfl> they went elsewhere, and we weren't watching, so they nearly never_made_it into_feisty
<sabdfl>_that's_a failure
<LaserJock> sabdfl: they went_on REVU
<Toadstool> sabdfl: I'm pretty_sure that_beryl would be in fesity right now if_the_packagers had kept_on working with us here instead of setting up_an independent repo 'cuase of the_licensing issue
<gnomefreak> jdong:_you_got_it :) ill let_you know
<LaserJock> we reviewed them
<LaserJock> we_uploaded them to Universe
<sabdfl> Toadstool: they_did what I would do - they_just set it up themselves
<gnomefreak> lupine_85:_are they debianized already?
<sabdfl> i_think lupine_85_was perfectly sane to do_that
<LaserJock> I'm not_sure what_more were supposed_to do!
<sabdfl> it was *us* that_failed
<tsmithe> Seveas, ping!
<lupine_85>_gnomefreak: I have working debian/'s, yes
<ajmitch>_sabdfl:_we can't just_stick_any_old thing_in universe -_we_did try_&_review them & give feedback
<Lutin> sabdfl:_can't_get where we failed if it was_a license issue
<ScottK> sabdfl:_I_think you've got it_wrong.
<sabdfl> ajmitch: agreed - we_need a process which accommodates exactly_this evolution_from "bad"_to "ok" and does it HERE
<sabdfl> not "go somewhere else"
<LaserJock> we_never said that!
<ScottK> sabdfl: That's been_exactly my experience here_(get from_bad_to OK).
<sabdfl> ScottK:_if_i had_not intervened, we would not have beryl_0.2 in_universe, how can I have it_wrong?
<ajmitch> sabdfl: and that's_what_we