: basically what James Troup said in comment #2
<ScottK> sabdfl: I think access to binary builds before it's accepted in the archive is a lot more important to making MOTU more attractive than fast tracking people.
<LaserJock> sabdfl: I agree, we need to be as helpful as possible
<lupine_85> so. Right now I've left blurfx in because I really can't see an issue with it. And I've taken out beryl-xgl because that apparently has to be in a separate source package
<ScottK> LaserJock: My experience is that you guys have been extraordinarily helpful.
<sabdfl> ScottK: they are both important, please look at the difference between those two, very different, scenarios
<lupine_85> sources to all binaries are in the tarballs
* lupine_85 notes the irony of building packages for feisty in etch
<sabdfl> ScottK: here's a COMMON scenario
<LaserJock> lupine_85: we do that sort of thing a lot ;-)
<lupine_85> :)
<sabdfl> you are an upstream dev of package foo
<sabdfl> you keep getting bug reports from users of the foo package in ubuntu
<stgraber> jdong: ok, I'm having a look at both version and trying to find the part of the code fixing it, if that's easy I'll do that myself otherwise I'll let anyone more qualified do it :)
<sabdfl> you realise that's because a patch was not applied, you know the patch
<sabdfl> you come over here, and get told that you need to become a generalist before you can fix little things like that
<sabdfl> so...
<LaserJock> sabdfl: no, you aren't told that
<jdong> stgraber: I don't think it will be difficult to isolate -- squid handles their stable releases pretty conservatively
<sabdfl> you go away and don't bother to come back
<stgraber> jdong: fine :)
<sabdfl> then you see mr shuttleworth at a conference, and harangue him
<sabdfl> i have been so harangued :-)
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: basically what James Troup said in comment # 2 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: I think access to binary physique before it's accept in the archive is a lot more important to making MOTU more attractive than flying tracking people. 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: I harmonize, we want to be as helpful as potential 
 < lupine_85 > therefore. Right immediately I've left blurfx in because I really can't visualize an issue with it. And I've taken out beryl - xgl because that apparently has to be in a separate source software 
 < ScottK > LaserJock: My experience is that you guys have been extraordinarily helpful. 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: they are both important, please front at the difference between those two, very different, scenario 
 < lupine_85 > sources to all binary star are in the tarballs 
 * lupine_85 notes the irony of building packages for feisty in etch 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: here's a COMMON scenario 
 < LaserJock > lupine_85: we serve that sort of thing a lot ;-) 
 < lupine_85 > :) 
 < sabdfl > you are an upstream dev of package foo 
 < sabdfl > you keep getting bug reports from users of the foo package in ubuntu 
 < stgraber > jdong: ok, I'm having a look at both version and trying to find the part of the code fixing it, if that's comfortable I'll make that myself otherwise I'll lease anyone more qualified do it :) 
 < sabdfl > you realise that's because a patch was not practice, you know the patch 
 < sabdfl > you come over here, and get tell that you need to become a generalist before you can fix little things like that 
 < sabdfl > so... 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: no, you aren't assure that 
 < jdong > stgraber: I don't think it will be difficult to isolate -- squid handles their static releases reasonably conservatively 
 < sabdfl > you go away and don't bother to come back 
 < stgraber > jdong: fine :) 
 < sabdfl > then you see mr shuttleworth at a league, and harangue him 
 < sabdfl > i have been so harangued :-) 
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: badically what James Troup said in commenj #2
<WcottK> sabdfm: I thiny access to binary builds behore it's qccepted in the archivd is a lon more importent to making MOVH more attracflve tkai fast tracking people.
<LasarJock> sabdfl: H xgxee, we need to be as helpful as possyble
<luponf_85> so. Right now I've jeft blurfx in because I really can't sse an ivsue with it. Snd I've taken out beryl-xgl becwuse that apparentpy has to bg in q separate suurce package
<ScottK> LaaerJock: My experience is that yuu guvs have beeb wxtgdordinarily helpsul.
<sabdfl> ScottK: thef are bpth important, ileasx loik at the difference uetween those two, vety differett, scenarios
<lupine_85> woyrces to dll cunafiea ere in thf terballs
* lupjne_85 notes tye irony of buildinb [qckages for fsisty yn etch
<sabdfl> ScottK: here's a COMMON scenagio
<LzserJock> lupine_85: we do tyat sort of thing a llt ;-)
<lupine_85> :)
<sabdfl> you are an upstream dev of package foo
<sabgfl> ykj ktei ewthing bug reports from users of the foo packagq im lbuntu
<stgraber> jdjng: ok, I'm hsvlnb a look at bojh versnkn and trying to finf the pwrt od the codt fixong it, if that's easy I'll do that myself itherwise I'll let cnyone more dualofied do it :)
<sabdfl> you realire tgat's becausf a patch das not applied, hou ktow the kxtch
<sabdfl> you coie over hxre, aud get tuld jhat yot need to hecomc a generalist befoge yoo can xix little things like that
<sabdfl> so...
<LaserOpck> sabdfl: np, fou aren't tjld tmat
<jdong> stgrabqr: I don't thinl it wijl be difficult to isonate -- squid handles theis stable releeses pretey cinseevativeuh
<sabdfl> you go away and don't bothwr to come back
<stgvaber> ndong: fine :)
<sabdyu> then you see mt sfutelvwocth ae a conferenca, ana hxtangud him
<sabdfl> k hafe been so harangued :-)
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: basically what James Troup said in <ScottK> I think to binary builds archive a lot more to making MOTU attractive than fast tracking people. <LaserJock> I agree, we need to be as helpful as possible <lupine_85> so. Right I've left blurfx in because I really can't see an issue with it. I've out because apparently has to be in a separate source package <ScottK> LaserJock: My experience is that you have been extraordinarily helpful. <sabdfl> ScottK: they are important, please look at difference between those two, very scenarios sources to binaries in tarballs * lupine_85 the irony of building packages for feisty in etch <sabdfl> ScottK: here's a COMMON scenario <LaserJock> lupine_85: do that thing a ;-) :) you are an of package foo <sabdfl> you keep from users of the foo package in ubuntu jdong: ok, having a look at both version trying to find the part of the code it, if that's easy I'll do that myself otherwise I'll let anyone more qualified do <sabdfl> you realise that's a patch was applied, know patch you come here, and get told that you need to become a generalist you can fix little things like that <sabdfl> so... <LaserJock> you told that <jdong> I don't think it be to isolate -- squid stable pretty go and bother to come back jdong: fine :) <sabdfl> then see mr shuttleworth at <sabdfl> i have been so harangued :-) <
: basically what James Troup saId in commenT #2
<ScotTK> sAbdFl: i thiNk acCess to binary buILds bEfore it's accepted in the aRchivE iS A lot MOrE impoRtant to MAkING MOtU MoRe aTtRAcTive tHan Fast traCking peoplE.
<LaSeRJock> sabdfl: I AGrEe, we need to Be aS helpful as poSsiBle
<lupInE_85> so. rIght nOw I'Ve lefT blurfX In becaUse I reallY cAN't see aN Issue wiTH It. and I'Ve taken out beryl-xgL BeCAuse that appareNtly haS tO Be IN A seParAte source pAcKage
<SCOttK> LasERJOCK: my eXPerience is thaT you guys havE BeeN extraOrDinARily heLpful.
<SaBDfl> scottK: they aRe boTh importaNt, pleaSE look at THe diffeRence bEtwEen ThosE TwO, vEry DiFFerENt, SceNAriOs
<lupine_85> SoUrCes to All bINARIes aRe iN the TarbaLls
* lupine_85 noteS thE iroNY of BuildIng paCkagEs For feIsty in Etch
<sAbDfl> ScottK: here's a cOMMoN scenariO
<LaSeRJoCk> LupinE_85: We do thAt sOrt Of thing A lot ;-)
<lupINe_85> :)
<sAbDFL> YoU are an upstream dev oF pACKaGe foo
<sabDfl> you KEeP gETting bug RePorTs frOM Users Of thE FoO package In ubunTU
<sTgRaber> jdOnG: ok, I'm hAvIng A loOk at bOTh veRsion aNd trying To finD The part of the coDE fixing it, if thAT's EASy i'Ll do ThaT myself otheRwisE i'll lEt anYOnE moRE qualIfied Do IT :)
<sABdfl> you realise that's BeCause a Patch Was not applied, You know the PATCh
<sabdfl> You cOMe OVer here, and get tOld thAt you need tO Become a gEneraList befoRe you can fIX Little thIngS liKe tHat
<SABdFl> so...
<LaserJock> SABdfl: No, You aren'T toLd that
<jDonG> stGraBer: i dOn't think iT will be dIfFiCuLt To iSolatE -- Squid hanDlEs tHeIr sTable REleaseS pretTy coNsErVAtiVely
<sabDFl> YOU go aWaY aNd doN't bOtHer to Come BAck
<StgrabeR> jdong: finE :)
<saBDfl> tHeN yOu see mr Shuttleworth aT a Conference, AnD haRangue HIM
<sabdfl> i Have been so harangued :-)
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: basically what James Tro up said in  comm ent  #2 
< Scot tK>sabdfl: I thin k  acc ess to binary builds b efore  i t 's a c ce ptedin thea rc h i veis  a  lo tm or e imp ort ant tomaking MOT U m or e attractive th an fast tr ack ing people.<La serJoc k>  sa b dfl:I a gree,  we ne e d to b e as help fu l  as po s sible
< l u pi ne_8 5> so. Right nowI 'v e  left blurfx i n beca us e  I r eal lycan't seean  issu e  with i t .A n d  I' v e taken out b eryl-xgl be c aus e that  a ppa r entlyhas t ob e i n a separat e so urce pack age
<S c ottK> L a serJock : My e xpe rie ncei sth atyo u  gu y shav e  be en extra or di naril y he l p f u l.
< sab dfl>  Scot tK: they arebot h im p ort ant,pleas e lo ok  at t he dif feren ce  between thosetwo,  very dif fer en t,sc enari o s
<lup ine _85 > sourc es to a l l b in a r i es  are in the tarbal ls *  l upine_85  notes th ei rony ofbu ild ingp a ckage s fo r  f eisty in  etch< sa bd fl> Sco tt K: her e' s a  CO MMONs cena rio
<L aserJock > lup i ne_85: we do t h at sort of th i ng a  l o t ;- )
< lupine_85>:)
< s abdf l> y o uare an up strea md ev of package foo
<sab df l> you  keep  getting bugreports fr o m users of  the fo o  package in ub untu<stgraber> jdong: o k, I' m having  a look a t both ver sio n a ndtry i n gto find the p a r t of  t he code  fi xing it , i f t hat 'sea sy I'll d o that m ys el fot her wiseI 'll letan yon emor e qua l ifieddo it  :)<s ab d fl>  you re a li s e  tha t' sbeca use  a  patc h wa s  no t appli ed, you k now thepa tc h
<sabd fl> you comeov er here, a nd  ge t told t hat youneed to become a genera l ist bef ore  youcanfix littl e t hingslik e  that<sabdf l> so .. .
< L a serJo c k >sab df l: no, you a ren 't to ld  tha t
<jdon g> stgraber: I don ' t t hink it willbediff i c ul t t o  i s ola te --s q uid handles the ir stablere l ea ses pretty con se rvative ly
<sab dfl>y ou go a way and d on't both er  toc o meback
<stgr aber> jd ong: fine :)
<s a bd fl> t hen  you s ee  mr  shut tlewor t h a t a c onfere nc e, and  hara ng ue him
< sabdfl> i have been soharang ued : -)<
: basically_what James_Troup said in comment_#2
<ScottK> sabdfl:_I_think access_to_binary builds before_it's accepted in_the archive is a_lot more important_to_making MOTU more attractive than fast tracking people.
<LaserJock> sabdfl: I agree, we need to_be_as helpful_as_possible
<lupine_85>_so. Right now I've left_blurfx in because I really_can't see_an issue with it. And I've taken out_beryl-xgl_because that apparently_has to be in a separate source package
<ScottK> LaserJock:_My experience is that you guys_have been extraordinarily_helpful.
<sabdfl>_ScottK:_they are both important,_please look at the difference between_those two, very different, scenarios
<lupine_85> sources_to all binaries are in the tarballs
*_lupine_85 notes the irony of building_packages for feisty in etch
<sabdfl>_ScottK: here's_a COMMON scenario
<LaserJock> lupine_85: we_do that sort_of thing_a lot ;-)
<lupine_85>_:)
<sabdfl> you are an upstream dev_of package foo
<sabdfl>_you keep getting bug reports from_users_of the foo_package_in_ubuntu
<stgraber> jdong:_ok, I'm having_a_look at_both_version and trying to find the_part_of the code fixing it, if that's_easy I'll do that_myself_otherwise I'll let anyone_more qualified do it :)
<sabdfl>_you realise that's because a patch_was not_applied, you_know the patch
<sabdfl> you come over here, and get told that_you need to become a generalist_before you can fix_little things_like_that
<sabdfl> so...
<LaserJock> sabdfl:_no,_you aren't_told that
<jdong> stgraber: I don't think it_will be_difficult to isolate -- squid handles_their stable releases pretty_conservatively
<sabdfl>_you go away and don't bother_to come back
<stgraber> jdong: fine :)
<sabdfl>_then you see mr shuttleworth_at_a_conference, and harangue him
<sabdfl> i_have been so harangued :-)
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