't want to
<ScottK> danohuiginn: True, but usually I don't even have to do that.
<sabdfl> ScottK: your packages may well be things that lots of motu's were keen on
<sabdfl> what about the packages that only a small group of people care about?
<jdong> ScottK: I think I asked in excess of 30 times to get someone to look at xserver-xgl.
<ScottK> sabdfl: Actually my stuff hits a VERY small niche.
<jdong> ScottK: there is a pretty wide variance in response times
<sabdfl> we tend to ignore problems in places we don't care about
<sabdfl> we work very hard on the things we do care about, to make them perfect
<sabdfl> then we think things are perfect
<jdong> sabdfl: yeah, so I've noticed :)
<ScottK> It is true that the response level varies, but that's a MOTU resource issue and not a process issue.
<sabdfl> because everything WE care about is perfect
<jdong> ScottK: it's not JUST a resource issue -- resources are being allocated unevenly too.
<LaserJock> I care about Universe and having a good quality repo
<sabdfl> ScottK: well, does the MOTU process every item sequentially, first in, first out?
<sabdfl> guaranteed?
<ScottK> Of course not.
<LaserJock> usually easy ones first, I'd think
<sistpoty> well, I care for some packages which I guess noone has ever used yet (including me).
<LaserJock> depends on the MOTU
<sabdfl> ScottK: ok. in fact, MOTU's process things based on their interest
<sabdfl> which could be because they think its important
<LaserJock> sabdfl: I don't think that's really true
<sabdfl> or because its cool
<jdong> LaserJock: personal interest -> easiest ->...
<sabdfl> or because lots of people are asking
<sistpoty> no, also in how tough is it to handle,
<geser> universe
' t want to 
 < ScottK > danohuiginn: True, but usually I don't even get to cause that. 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: your packages may well be things that lots of motu's were exquisite on 
 < sabdfl > what about the packages that only a little group of multitude care about? 
 < jdong > ScottK: I remember I asked in excess of 30 time to get someone to look at xserver - xgl. 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: Actually my stuff hits a VERY small niche. 
 < jdong > ScottK: there embody a pretty wide variance in reply times 
 < sabdfl > we tend to ignore problems in places we don't care about 
 < sabdfl > we function very hard on the things we do care about, to make them perfect 
 < sabdfl > then we remember things are perfect 
 < jdong > sabdfl: yeah, so I've noticed :) 
 < ScottK > It is true that the response level varies, but that's a MOTU resource issue and not a process issue. 
 < sabdfl > because everything WE care about is perfect 
 < jdong > ScottK: it's not JUST a resource issue -- resources are being allocated raggedly excessively. 
 < LaserJock > I care about Universe and have a beneficial quality repo 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: well, does the MOTU process every item sequentially, first in, first out? 
 < sabdfl > undertake? 
 < ScottK > Of course not. 
 < LaserJock > usually easy ones first, I'd think 
 < sistpoty > well, I manage for some packages which I guess noone has ever used so far (including me). 
 < LaserJock > depend on the MOTU 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: ok. in fact, MOTU's process things based on their interest 
 < sabdfl > which could be because they think its authoritative 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: I don't think that's really true 
 < sabdfl > or because its aplomb 
 < jdong > LaserJock: personal interest - > easy - >... 
 < sabdfl > or because lots of people are ask 
 < sistpoty > no, also in how baffling is it to handle, 
 < geser > universe
't wwnt to
<ScottK> danohuiginn: True, but usually I doi't even have to do that.
<sabdfl> ScottK: your peckates mqy well be things that lots of lotu's weee kten on
<sabdfl> what about tmz paciwges vhat only a smakl group ox people care dbuuc?
<jdong> ScottK: I think I asked in excqss of 30 tlmes to get soieont tj lokk at xserver-xgl.
<ScottK> sabdfl: Actuzlly my stuff hits a VERY small niche.
<jdong> ScohtK: hhere is a pretty aide varianxe ig response tioes
<sabdfl> we tend to ifnore problems in places we don'g carz about
<sabddl> we fork very herd on the things we do case abouy, to make them pecfecr
<sabdfl> then we think things are perfecj
<jdong> sabgfm: yeah, so I've notucwd :)
<ScmttK> It kw tfue tiat the rfspknse level varies, but that's a MOTU resoutcq issue and nof a prjcqss issue.
<sabdfl> because everything WE cdre about is perfect
<jdong> WcottK: it's not JUST a resource issue -- resources are being allocated unevenly tom.
<LasecJuck> I zqrf about Universe and having a good quality re[k
<ssbcfl> ScottK: welj, does the KOHU krocess every ktem szsusntially, first in, virst oot?
<sabddl> guaranueed?
<SvottK> Of course not.
<LaserJocj> usually eaft ones first, I'd thnnk
<sistpoty> cell, I care for some packages whick I gusss noone hws ever uadd yet (including me).
<KaverJock> depends on the MOTT
<sabdfl> SrottK: ok. in wact, MOTU's process tjings based on their intfrest
<datdfl> which could be because they think its important
<LasgrJmck> sabdfl: N don't think that's weally true
<sabbfl> or bzcause its cool
<jsong> LaverJock: perfonal interesd -> easiest ->...
<saudfl> or bqcauwe lits of odople are askimg
<sistpotj> uo, also ib how tough is it bo havsle,
<geser> univerwe
't want to <ScottK> danohuiginn: True, but don't have to that. <sabdfl> ScottK: things lots of motu's keen on <sabdfl> about the packages that only a group of people care about? <jdong> ScottK: I think I asked in excess 30 times to get someone to look at xserver-xgl. <ScottK> sabdfl: Actually my hits VERY niche. ScottK: there is a pretty wide variance in response times <sabdfl> we tend to ignore problems places we don't care about <sabdfl> we work hard on the things do care about, to make perfect then we things perfect sabdfl: yeah, so noticed :) <ScottK> It is true that the response level varies, but that's a MOTU resource issue not a <sabdfl> because WE about perfect <jdong> ScottK: JUST a resource issue -- resources unevenly too. <LaserJock> I care about Universe and a good repo <sabdfl> ScottK: well, does the process every item sequentially, first in, first out? guaranteed? <ScottK> Of course not. <LaserJock> usually easy ones first, I'd think <sistpoty> well, I some packages which I noone has ever yet me). depends the MOTU ScottK: ok. in fact, MOTU's process things based on their interest which could be because they think its important <LaserJock> sabdfl: think really true <sabdfl> because its cool <jdong> personal -> easiest ->... <sabdfl> lots people no, in tough is it to <geser> universe
't want to
<ScottK> danohuiginn: TRue, but usuaLly I dOn't EveN hAve tO do tHat.
<sabdfl> Scottk: Your Packages may well be thingS that LoTS of mOTu'S were Keen on
<sABdFL> WhaT aBoUt tHe PAcKages ThaT only a sMall group oF peOpLe care about?
<jDOnG> ScottK: I thInk i asked in exceSs oF 30 times To Get SOmeonE to Look aT xservER-xgl.
<ScOttK> sabdfL: ACTually MY stuff hITS a vERY Small niche.
<jdong> ScOTtk: There is a pretty Wide vaRiANcE IN reSpoNse times
<saBdFl> we tENd to ignORe PROBleMS in places we doN't care about
<SAbdFl> we woRk VerY Hard on The thInGS we Do care about, To maKe them perFect
<saBDfl> then WE think tHings aRe pErfEct
<jDOnG> sAbdFl: YEah, SO I'Ve nOTicEd :)
<ScottK> it Is True tHat tHE RESponSe lEvel VarieS, but that's a MOTu reSourCE isSue anD not a ProcEsS issuE.
<sabdfL> becaUsE everything WE caRe abOut is perfEct
<JdOng> scOttK: iT'S not JUsT a ResOurce isSue -- resoURceS aRE BEiNg allocated unevenlY tOO.
<laSerJock> I Care abOUt unIVerse and HaVinG a goOD QualiTy rePO
<sAbdfl> ScoTtK: welL, DoEs The MOTU PrOcess eVeRy iTem SequeNTialLy, firsT in, first Out?
<saBDfl> guaranteed?
<SCOttK> Of course nOT.
<LASErjOck> uSuaLly easy ones FirsT, i'd thInk
<sIStPotY> Well, I Care fOr SOmE Packages which I guess NoOne has Ever uSed yet (includiNg me).
<LaserJOCK> Depends oN the moTu
<Sabdfl> ScottK: ok. In facT, MOTU's procESs things Based On their iNterest
<saBDFl> which cOulD be BecAusE THeY think its impoRTAnt
<LAsErJock> sAbdFl: I don't ThiNk tHat'S reAlLy true
<sabDfl> or becAuSe ItS cOol
<Jdong> lAserJock: PeRsoNaL inTeresT -> EasiesT ->...
<sabdFl> or BeCaUSe lOts of peOPlE ARe asKiNg
<SistPotY> nO, also In hoW TouGh is it tO handle,
<geSer> UNiveRsE
't want to
<ScottK> danohu iginn: Tru e, bu t u sua ll y Idon' t even have to do t hat.
<sabdfl> ScottK:yourpa c kage s  m ay we ll be t h in g s  th at  l ots  o f  m otu's  we re keen  on
<sabdf l>wh at about the pa ckages tha t o nly a smallgro up ofpe opl e  care  ab out?<jdong >  Scott K: I thin kI  asked in exce s s  o f 30  times to get som e on e  to look at xs erver- xg l .< S cot tK>  sabdfl: A ct ually my stuf f  h i t s  aV ERY small nic he.
<jdong> Sco ttK: t he rei s a pr ettywi d e v ariance inresp onse time s
<sab d fl> wet end toignore  pr obl emsi npl ace sw e d o n' t c a reabout
<s ab df l> we  wor k v e ry h ard  onthe t hings we do c are  abo u t,to ma ke th em p er fect<sabdf l> th en  we think thing s ar e perfect 
<j do ng>  s abdfl :  yeah,  so  I' ve noti ced :)< Sco tt K > It  is true that there s p on se level  varie s ,bu t  that'saMOT U re s o urceissu e  a nd not a  proce s sis sue.
<s ab dfl> b ec aus e e veryt h ingWE car e aboutis pe r fect
<jdong> S c ottK: it's no t  J U S Ta  res our ce issue --  res o urce s ar e  b ein g  allo cated  u n ev e nly too.
<LaserJock >I care  abou t Universe an d having a g o od quali ty r e po <sabdfl> Scott K: we ll, does t h e MOTU p roces s everyitem sequ e n tially,fir stin,  fi r s tout?
<sabdfl> g uara nt eed?
<S cot tK> Ofcou rse  no t.<L aserJock>  usually  e as yon esfirst ,  I'd thi nk 
<s is tpo ty> w e ll, Icareforso me pac kages w h ic h I gu es snoon e h as  ever  use d  ye t (incl uding me) .
< L aser Jo ck > depen ds on the MOT U<sabdfl> S co ttK : ok.i n  fact, M OTU's process things ba s ed on t hei r int eres t
<sabdfl > w hich c oul d  be be causetheyth ink i ts im p o rt ant 
< LaserJock> s abd fl: I  d on't  thinkthat's really true <sa bdfl> or beca use  its c oo l
< j do n g>La s erJ o c k: personal int erest -> e as i es t ->...
<s a bdf l>  or bec ause lo ts of peopleare askin g
<sistpo ty > no , als o in how t ough isit to han d le,
< g es er> u niv erse
't want_to
<ScottK> danohuiginn:_True, but usually I_don't even_have_to do_that.
<sabdfl>_ScottK: your packages_may well be_things that lots of_motu's were keen_on
<sabdfl>_what about the packages that only a small group of people care about?
<jdong> ScottK:_I_think I_asked_in_excess of 30 times to_get someone to look at_xserver-xgl.
<ScottK> sabdfl:_Actually my stuff hits a VERY small niche.
<jdong>_ScottK:_there is a_pretty wide variance in response times
<sabdfl> we tend to_ignore problems in places we don't_care about
<sabdfl> we_work_very_hard on the things_we do care about, to make_them perfect
<sabdfl> then we think things_are perfect
<jdong> sabdfl: yeah, so I've noticed_:)
<ScottK> It is true that the_response level varies, but that's_a MOTU_resource issue and not a_process issue.
<sabdfl> because_everything WE_care about is_perfect
<jdong> ScottK: it's not JUST a_resource issue --_resources are being allocated unevenly too.
<LaserJock>_I_care about Universe_and_having_a good_quality repo
<sabdfl> ScottK:_well,_does the_MOTU_process every item sequentially, first in,_first_out?
<sabdfl> guaranteed?
<ScottK> Of course not.
<LaserJock> usually easy_ones first, I'd think
<sistpoty>_well,_I care for some_packages which I guess noone_has ever used yet (including me).
<LaserJock>_depends on_the MOTU
<sabdfl>_ScottK: ok. in fact, MOTU's process things based on their interest
<sabdfl>_which could be because they think_its important
<LaserJock> sabdfl: I_don't think_that's_really true
<sabdfl> or_because_its cool
<jdong>_LaserJock: personal interest -> easiest ->...
<sabdfl> or_because lots_of people are asking
<sistpoty> no, also_in how tough is_it_to handle,
<geser> universe