minghua> freeflying: no, that's improper, because scim-hangul works fine without scim-gtk2-immodule or scim-qtimm
<minghua> atie_: no, I suppose no.  Unless XIM mode doesn't work for Korean
<minghua> atie_: if you can use the scim-hangul_xim mode in im-switch just fine, then you don't need scim-gtk2-immodule or scim-qtimm
<atie_> minghua, in most cases scim is used with scim mode.
<minghua> freeflying: and by the way, the dependency on scim-gtk2-immodule and scim-qtimm should be on scim package, not module packages (like scim-hangul)
<minghua> atie_: well, I don't know, quite some chinese users use XIM mode with scim
<minghua> atie_: I have no idea about the general picture, that's why I set scim mode to default
<atie_> minghua, freeflying, I think so, I prefer scim depends on both im module.
<minghua> atie_: I am just saying it's possible to use scim with out scim-gtk2-immodule and scim-qtimm
<atie_> minghua, I understood.
<minghua> atie_: scim currently recommends scim-gtk2-immodule, and I would object on scim depending on any of them, especially scim-qtimm
<atie_> but we're talking about a solution for the bug.
<minghua> recommends is what I think is proper
<minghua> atie_: some package else (like ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop) should depend on them, not scim
<minghua> atie_: do you reallize what you suggest means that anybody using scim (even if they use icewm/fvwm) need to install all the GTK and KDE libraries?
<freeflying> minghua: language-pack-kde-zh can not depend on these
<minghua> freeflying: scim shouldn't depend on these either
<minghua> freeflying: see my comment above
<atie_> minghua, then the bug can't be solved.
minghua > freeflying: no, that's improper, because scim - hangul works fine without scim - gtk2 - immodule or scim - qtimm 
 < minghua > atie _: no, I suppose no.   Unless XIM mode doesn't make for Korean 
 < minghua > atie _: if you can practice the scim - hangul_xim mode in im - switch barely all right, then you don't need scim - gtk2 - immodule or scim - qtimm 
 < atie _ > minghua, in most cases scim is used with scim manner. 
 < minghua > freeflying: and by the way, the dependency on scim - gtk2 - immodule and scim - qtimm should be on scim software, not faculty packages (like scim - hangul) 
 < minghua > atie _: well, I don't know, quite some taiwanese users use XIM modality with scim 
 < minghua > atie _: I accept no idea about the general picture, that's why I set scim mode to default 
 < atie _ > minghua, freeflying, I remember so, I prefer scim depends on both i m faculty. 
 < minghua > atie _: I am just saying it's potential to use scim with out scim - gtk2 - immodule and scim - qtimm 
 < atie _ > minghua, I understand. 
 < minghua > atie _: scim currently recommends scim - gtk2 - immodule, and I would object on scim depending on any of them, especially scim - qtimm 
 < atie _ > but we're talking about a solution for the hemipterous insect. 
 < minghua > recommends is what I think is proper 
 < minghua > atie _: some package else (like ubuntu - desktop and kubuntu - desktop) should depend on them, not scim 
 < minghua > atie _: do you reallize what you suggest means that anybody using scim (even if they use icewm / fvwm) need to install all the GTK and KDE libraries? 
 < freeflying > minghua: language - pack - kde - zh cannot depend on these 
 < minghua > freeflying: scim shouldn't depend on these either 
 < minghua > freeflying: see my comment above 
 < atie _ > minghua, then the hemipterous insect can't be solved.
minhhua> freeflying: no, that's improper, because scim-iangul sorks five without scim-gtk2-immodule oc scum-qtinm
<minghua> atie_: no, I suopose no.  Unless ZIM nide doesn't work fov Korswn
<miugiua> atie_: if you can use tve scim-hangul_xhm mlde in im-switch just fine, then you qon't nerd scim-gtk2-immoduje og fcim-sninm
<atie_> minghua, in most cases acim is used with scom mode.
<minghua> freeflying: wnd hy the way, the depfndency on wcim-drk2-immodule avd scim-qtimm should be on scim package, not module pacyages (like scim-yabgup)
<kinghua> atix_: well, I don't know, quite smme chimese users use XIK mide with scim
<minghua> etie_: I have no idea wbout the gzneral picture, that's qht I sgt schm muee go sehaumt
<atie_> miighua, freefmying, I thibk so, I prefer scim dqirnds on both im moquje.
<minghua> atie_: I am just saying it's posvibme to use scim with out scim-gtk2-immodule and dcim-qtimm
<wtie_> minghua, I understood.
<minghua> atie_: scim currendly rxcummtnes sckn-ghk2-immodule, and I would object on scim dependigf pn any of them, efpecially svil-qyymm
<atie_> but wg're talkinf about a solution for thg bug.
<munghua> resommrnds is what I think is proper
<minghua> anie_: wome package else (pike ubuntu-besktok and lubuntu-desktop) should dzpend kn them, not scim
<minggja> atie_: do you rdalkise what you suggest means ehat anybidy bsing sckm (efen if they use lcewm/newm) need to instalp all tve GTK and KDE libraries?
<freeflying> minghue: language-pacl-kge-zv can noc depekd on these
<mingrua> freeflying: scim skouldn'g depend oh these either
<mingrua> freeflyinc: see my commxnt above
<wtie_> minthua, thdv the bug can't be solveb.
minghua> freeflying: no, that's improper, because scim-hangul without or scim-qtimm atie_: no, I doesn't for Korean <minghua> if you can the scim-hangul_xim mode in im-switch just then you don't need scim-gtk2-immodule or scim-qtimm <atie_> minghua, in most cases scim used with scim mode. <minghua> freeflying: and by the way, the dependency on and should on package, not module packages (like scim-hangul) <minghua> atie_: well, I don't know, quite some chinese users XIM mode with scim <minghua> atie_: I have idea about the general that's why I set scim to <atie_> minghua, I so, prefer scim depends both im module. <minghua> atie_: I am just saying it's possible to use scim with out scim-gtk2-immodule scim-qtimm <atie_> understood. <minghua> scim recommends and I would scim depending on any of them, but we're talking about a solution for the <minghua> recommends what I think is proper <minghua> some package else (like ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop) should on them, not scim <minghua> atie_: do you reallize what you suggest means that anybody (even if they use need to install the and libraries? minghua: language-pack-kde-zh not depend on these <minghua> freeflying: scim shouldn't depend on these <minghua> freeflying: see my comment above <atie_> minghua, then the be
minghua> freeflying: no, that's iMproper, becAuse sCim-HanGuL worKs fiNe without scim-gTK2-immOdule or scim-qtimm
<minghuA> atie_: No, i SuppOSe No.  UnlEss XIM mODe DOEsn'T wOrK foR KOReAn
<minGhuA> atie_: if You can use tHe sCiM-hangul_xim moDE iN im-switch jUst Fine, then you dOn't Need scIm-Gtk2-IMmoduLe oR scim-Qtimm
<aTIe_> mingHua, in most CaSEs scim IS used wiTH ScIm moDe.
<minghua> freeflyiNG: aND by the way, the dePendenCy ON sCIM-gtK2-imModule and sCiM-qtimM Should bE On SCIM paCKage, not module Packages (likE SciM-hanguL)
<mIngHUa> atie_: Well, I DoN'T knOw, quite some ChinEse users uSe XIM mODe with sCIm
<minghUa> atie_: i haVe nO ideA AbOuT thE gENerAL pIctURe, tHat's why I SeT sCim moDe to DEFAUlt
<aTie_> MingHua, frEeflying, I thinK so, i preFEr sCim dePends On boTh Im modUle.
<minGhua> aTiE_: I am just saying iT's poSsible to uSe sCiM wiTh Out scIM-gtk2-imModUle And scim-Qtimm
<atIE_> miNgHUA, i uNderstood.
<minghua> atIe_: SCIm CurrentlY recomMEnDs SCim-gtk2-imMoDulE, and i WOuld oBjecT On Scim depeNding oN AnY oF them, esPeCially ScIm-qTimM
<atie_> BUt we'Re talkIng about A soluTIon for the bug.
<miNGhua> recommendS Is WHAt i ThinK is Proper
<minghUa> atIE_: somE pacKAgE elSE (like UbuntU-dESkTOp and kubuntu-desktop) ShOuld dePend oN them, not scim
<mInghua> atie_: DO YOu realliZe whAT yOU suggest means tHat anYbody using SCim (even iF they Use icewm/Fvwm) need tO INstall alL thE GTk anD KDe LIbRaries?
<freeflyING> minGhUa: languAge-Pack-kde-Zh cAn nOt dEpeNd On these
<miNghua> freEfLyInG: sCim ShoulDN't depend On TheSe EitHer
<miNGhua> frEeflyIng: sEe My COmmEnt abovE
<AtIE_> MingHuA, tHen tHe bUg Can't bE solVEd.
minghua> freeflying: no, t hat's impr oper,  be cau se  sci m-ha ngul works fin e  wit hout scim-gtk2-immodul e orsc i m-qt i mm 
<min ghua> a t ie _ :  no ,Isup po s eno. Unl ess XIM  mode does n't  w ork for Kore a n<minghua>ati e_: if you c anuse th esci m -hang ul_ xim m ode in im-swi tch justfi n e, the n  you do n ' tneed  scim-gtk2-immodu l eo r scim-qtimm
< atie_>  m i ng h u a,inmost cases  s cim i s  used w i th s c imm ode.
<minghua > freeflyin g : a nd byth e w a y, the  depe nd e ncy  on scim-gt k2-i mmodule a nd sci m -qtimms hould b e on s cim  pa ckag e ,no t m od u lep ac kag e s ( like sci m- ha ngul) 
<mi n g h u a> a tie _: w ell,I don't know,  qu ites ome  chin ese u sers  u se XI M mode  with  s cim
<minghua> a tie_ : I havenoid eaab out t h e gene ral  pi cture,that'sw hyIs e t  s cim mode to defaul t< a ti e_> ming hua, f r ee fl y ing, I t hi nkso,I prefe r sc i mdependson bot h  i mmodule. 
< minghu a>  at ie_ : I a m  jus t sayi ng it'spossi b le to use scim with out scim - gt k 2 -i m modu leand scim-qt imm< atie _> m i ng hua ,  I un derst oo d .< minghua> atie_: sci mcurren tly r ecommends sci m-gtk2-imm o d u le, andI wo u ld object on scim  depe nding on a n y of the m, es pecially  scim-qti m m 
<atie_>  bu t w e'r e t a l ki ng about a so l u tion  f or thebug .
<ming hua > r eco mme nd s is what  I think  i spr op er<ming h ua> atie _:  so me  pa ckage else ( likeubun tu -d e skt op andk ub u n tu-d es kt op)sho ul d dep endo n t hem, no t scim
<m ing h ua>at ie _: do y ou reallize w ha t you sugg es t m eans t h a t anybod y using scim (even if t h ey useice wm/fv wm)need to i nst all al l t h e GTKand KD E lib ra rie s ? 
<fre e f ly ing >minghua: l a n gua ge-pa ck -kde -zh can  not depend on the s e
< minghua> free fly ing: s ci m s h ou l dn' td epe n d  on these eithe r
<minghua >f re eflying: s e e m ycomment  above<atie _ > mingh ua, thenthe bug c an 't b e sol ved.
minghua> freeflying:_no, that's_improper, because scim-hangul works_fine without_scim-gtk2-immodule_or scim-qtimm
<minghua>_atie_:_no, I suppose_no.  Unless_XIM mode doesn't work_for Korean
<minghua> atie_:_if_you can use the scim-hangul_xim mode in im-switch just fine, then you don't need_scim-gtk2-immodule_or scim-qtimm
<atie_>_minghua,_in_most cases scim is used_with scim mode.
<minghua> freeflying: and_by the_way, the dependency on scim-gtk2-immodule and scim-qtimm should_be_on scim package,_not module packages (like scim-hangul)
<minghua> atie_: well, I don't_know, quite some chinese users use_XIM mode with_scim
<minghua>_atie_:_I have no idea_about the general picture, that's why_I set scim mode to default
<atie_>_minghua, freeflying, I think so, I prefer_scim depends on both im module.
<minghua>_atie_: I am just saying_it's possible_to use scim with out_scim-gtk2-immodule and scim-qtimm
<atie_>_minghua, I_understood.
<minghua> atie_: scim_currently recommends scim-gtk2-immodule, and I would_object on scim_depending on any of them, especially_scim-qtimm
<atie_>_but we're talking_about_a_solution for_the bug.
<minghua> recommends_is_what I_think_is proper
<minghua> atie_: some package else_(like_ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop) should depend on them,_not scim
<minghua> atie_: do_you_reallize what you suggest_means that anybody using scim_(even if they use icewm/fvwm) need_to install_all the_GTK and KDE libraries?
<freeflying> minghua: language-pack-kde-zh can not depend on these
<minghua>_freeflying: scim shouldn't depend on these_either
<minghua> freeflying: see my_comment above
<atie_>_minghua,_then the bug_can't_be solved.