 of Unity in Natty?
<valorie> yes
<meonkeys> cool.
<valorie> son was trying it out
<meonkeys> CJ Collier, are you in here?
<Lancelot> from what I've seen so far Unity is failing
<Lancelot> really really hard
<meonkeys> failing how? people don't want it?
<valorie> I dunno -- people resist change
<valorie> gnome 3 is basically the same thing as unity
<meonkeys> Jack Wallen very much prefers the gnome shell: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/gnome-shell-vs-ubuntu-unity-which-desktop-wins/2291
<Lancelot> the changes in gnome 3 are so stupid
<meonkeys> the one thing that really made me want the GNOME shell instead of unity was the lack of a run dialog in Unity
<meonkeys> I use the run dialog all the time.
<Lancelot> they're the perfect example of why liberal arts majors should work in coffee shops IMO
<Lancelot> I mean, basic functionality is not something you mess with
<Lancelot> changing something for the sake of changing it is useless
<meonkeys> I think they're changing it to try and improve it
<meonkeys> (the user interface, that is)
<Lancelot> how is removing the minimize and maximize buttons an improvement?
<Lancelot> I use those all the time
<Lancelot> I don't even think about it
<meonkeys> I don't, so, I guess that would be an improvement for me. :)
<meonkeys> I usually just hit F11 to maximize or un-maximize, and drag window corners to resize.
<meonkeys> The close button seems like a waste of space too, Alt-F4 works great. :)
<meonkeys> I guess I just prefer less mouse, more keyboard.
<Lancelot> the work I do requires a mouse
<Lancelot> design stuff
<Lancelot> so I use it a fair bit
<Lancelot> even with only a keyboard I use those buttons
<meonkeys> ah, gotcha.
<meonkeys> Say, do
of Unity in Natty? 
 < valorie > yes 
 < meonkeys > cool. 
 < valorie > son was trying it out 
 < meonkeys > CJ Collier, are you in here? 
 < Lancelot > from what I've seen so far Unity is failing 
 < Lancelot > in truth in truth hard 
 < meonkeys > failing how? people don't desire it? 
 < valorie > I dunno -- people resist change 
 < valorie > gnome 3 is basically the like matter as unity 
 < meonkeys > Jack Wallen very much prefers the gnome shell: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/gnome-shell-vs-ubuntu-unity-which-desktop-wins/2291 
 < Lancelot > the changes in gnome 3 are indeed stupid 
 < meonkeys > the one thing that actually make me want the GNOME shell instead of integrity was the lack of a run dialog in Unity 
 < meonkeys > I use the run dialog all the prison term. 
 < Lancelot > they're the perfect example of why liberal arts major league should work in coffee shops IMO 
 < Lancelot > I mean, basic functionality is not something you mess with 
 < Lancelot > changing something for the sake of change it is useless 
 < meonkeys > I think they're changing it to try and improve it 
 < meonkeys > (the user interface, that is) 
 < Lancelot > how is murder the minimize and maximize buttons an improvement? 
 < Lancelot > I use those all the time 
 < Lancelot > I don't even think about it 
 < meonkeys > I don't, so, I guess that would be an improvement for me. :) 
 < meonkeys > I usually just hit F11 to maximize or un - maximize, and puff windowpane corners to resize. 
 < meonkeys > The close button seem like a waste of space too, Alt - F4 make great. :) 
 < meonkeys > I guess I just prefer less shiner, more keyboard. 
 < Lancelot > the work I do requires a mouse 
 < Lancelot > design stuff 
 < Lancelot > so I use it a fair bit 
 < Lancelot > even with only a keyboard I use those button 
 < meonkeys > ah, gotcha. 
 < meonkeys > Say, do
 of Unity in Natty?
<valorie> yts
<meonkeys> cool.
<valorie> smn was trying kt out
<meonkeys> CJ Collier, arx yoy in yere?
<Lancelot> from what I've seen so far Ynitb is failing
<Lancxmot> really rezply kacd
<meonkeys> faillng how? peo[le don't want ht?
<xaporie> I dunno -- people resist change
<dalorie> gjome 3 is basicwlly ehe aame thing as unity
<meonkeys> Jack Wzllen vtry much prefers tne gnome shell: http://www.techgepuhlic.com/blog/opensougce/gnome-sheol-vs-tvuntu-unity-whkch-desktop-wins/2291
<Lancelot> the changes in gnome 3 are so sgupid
<keonkeys> tye onf thing that realjy made me want the CNOME snell instead on univy wqs the lack of a run vialog in Unity
<meonkgys> I use dhz run dialog all the rine.
<Lanwelod> thdt're tht pxrfsct exwmpme of why miberal artw majors should worl yb coffee shopa IMO
<Lwnselot> I mean, basic functionality is not sojething you mess with
<Labcelot> changing sometjing for ehe sake of changing it is useless
<meonkeys> I thinn theb'rd ckqngine ih to try and improve it
<meonkeys> (the user intewrave, that is)
<Lanceljt> how is rrmlvogg the minimiee and maxjmize buttons an ilprovemgnt?
<Lanxelot> I ufe tnose all the time
<Lancelot> I don't even tkinj about it
<meonkeys> I don't, so, N guesx thay would be an improvemeut for me. :)
<meonkeyd> I usualmh just hit F11 to oaxpmiza or un-maximize, and drag wyndow coriers co resizd.
<meomkeys> Ehe close huttok seems like a wastf of dpdce too, Alh-F4 works great. :)
<meonkeys> I guess I just prefer lass mouse, mjre kcyboard.
<Lancelot> the work I do requirzs a muuse
<Lancelkt> desijn stuff
<Lancqlot> so I use lt a fair biv
<Lancelot> eveb wirh only x keyboard I uxe those ybttons
<meobkeys> ah, gotcha.
<meokkeys> Aay, do
of Unity in Natty? <valorie> yes <meonkeys> son trying it <meonkeys> CJ Collier, from I've seen so Unity is failing really really hard <meonkeys> failing how? don't want it? <valorie> I dunno -- people resist change <valorie> gnome 3 basically the same thing as unity <meonkeys> Jack Wallen very much prefers the shell: <Lancelot> changes gnome 3 are so stupid <meonkeys> the one thing that really made me want the GNOME instead of unity was the lack of a dialog in Unity <meonkeys> use the run dialog all time. they're the example why arts majors should in coffee shops IMO <Lancelot> I mean, basic functionality is not something you mess with <Lancelot> changing for the changing it useless I they're changing it and improve it <meonkeys> (the user <Lancelot> how is removing the minimize and maximize an improvement? I use those all the time I don't even think about it <meonkeys> I so, I guess that would be an improvement for me. :) <meonkeys> I usually just to maximize or un-maximize, drag window corners resize. The button like a of space too, Alt-F4 works great. :) <meonkeys> I guess I prefer less mouse, more keyboard. <Lancelot> the work I do mouse design stuff <Lancelot> I use it a bit even with only a use buttons <meonkeys> do
 of Unity in Natty?
<valorie> yes
<mEonkeys> cooL.
<valoRie> Son WaS tryIng iT out
<meonkeys> CJ cOlliEr, are you in here?
<Lancelot> From wHaT i've sEEn So far unity is FAiLINg
<LAnCeLot> ReALlY realLy hArd
<meonKeys> failinG hoW? pEople don't wanT It?
<Valorie> I duNno -- People resist ChaNge
<valOrIe> gNOme 3 is BasIcallY the saME thing As unity
<meOnKEys> JacK wallen vERY mUch pRefers the gnome sheLL: hTTp://www.techrepubLic.com/BlOG/oPENsoUrcE/gnome-shelL-vS-ubunTU-unity-wHIcH-DESktOP-wins/2291
<Lancelot> The changes iN GnoMe 3 are sO sTupID
<meonkEys> thE oNE thIng that realLy maDe me want tHe GNOMe Shell inSTead of uNity waS thE laCk of A RuN dIalOg IN UnITy
<MeoNKeyS> I use the RuN dIalog All tHE TIMe.
<LaNceLot> tHey're The perfect exaMplE of wHY liBeral Arts mAjorS sHould Work in CoffeE sHops IMO
<Lancelot> i meaN, basic funCtiOnAliTy Is not SOmethiNg yOu mEss with
<lanceloT> ChaNgING SoMething for the sake oF cHANgIng it is uSeless
<MEoNkEYs> I think ThEy'rE chaNGIng it To trY AnD improve It
<meonKEyS> (tHe user iNtErface, ThAt iS)
<LaNceloT> How iS removIng the miNimizE And maximize butTOns an improvemENt?
<lANcELot> I Use Those all the Time
<lAnceLot> I DOn'T evEN thinK abouT iT
<MeONkeys> I don't, so, I guess tHaT would Be an iMprovement for Me. :)
<meonkeys> i USUally jusT hit f11 To MAximize or un-maxImize, And drag winDOw cornerS to reSize.
<meonKeys> The clOSE button sEemS liKe a WasTE Of Space too, Alt-F4 wORKs grEaT. :)
<meonkeYs> I Guess I jUst PreFer LesS mOuse, more kEyboard.
<LAnCeLoT> tHe wOrk I dO Requires A mOusE
<LAncElot> dESign stUff
<LaNcelOt> So i Use It a fair BIt
<lANcelOt> EvEn wiTh oNlY a keyBoarD i usE those bUttons
<meoNkeYS> ah, gOtChA.
<meonkeYs> Say, do
 of Unity in Natty?
<valor ie> yes
<m eonke ys>  co ol .
<v alor ie> son was tr y ingit out
<meonkeys> CJ C ollie r, arey ou  in h ere?
<L a nc e l ot>  f ro m w ha t  I 've s een  so far  Unity isfai li ng
<Lancelot >  r eally real lyhard
<meonke ys>  faili ng  ho w ? peo ple  don' t want it?
<v alorie> I  d u nno -- peopler e si st c hange
<valorie> g n om e  3 is basicall y thesa m et h ing  as  unity
<me on keys> Jack Wa l le n v ery much prefersthe gnome s h ell : http :/ /ww w .techr epubl ic . com /blog/opens ourc e/gnome-s hell-v s -ubuntu - unity-w hich-d esk top -win s /2 29 1
< La n cel o t>  th e  ch anges in  g no me 3ares o s tupi d
< meon keys>  the one thin g t hatr eal ly ma de me  wan tthe G NOME s hellin stead of unitywasthe lackofarun  d ialog in Uni ty<me onkeys>  I uset heru n d ia log all the time.<L a n ce lot> the y're t h epe r fect exa mp leof w h y  libe rala rt s majors  shoul d  w or k in co ff ee sho ps  IM O
< Lance l ot>I mean , basicfunct i onality is not something you me s s  w i th
< Lan celot> chan ging some thin g  f ort he sa ke of  c h an g ing it is useless
< me onkeys > I t hink they'rechanging i t t o try an d im p ro v e it
<meonkeys > (th e user int e rface, t hat i s)
<Lanc elot> how i s removi ngthe  mi nim i z eand maximizeb u tton san impr ove ment?
< Lan cel ot>  Ius e those a ll the t im e<L an cel ot> I don't ev en  th in k a bouti t
<meo nkeys > Ido n' t , s o, I gu e ss t hatwo ul d be  an  i mprov emen t  fo r me. : )
<meonke ys> I us ua ll y justhit F11 to ma xi mize or un -m axi mize,a n d drag w indow corners to resize . 
<meonk eys > The  clo se button  se ems li kea  waste  of sp ace t oo , A l t -F4 w o r ks  gr ea t. :)
<meo n k eys > I g ue ss I  just p refer less mouse,m ore  keyboard.
<L anc elot > th e w o rk I d or equ i r es a mouse
<Lan celot> des ig n  s tuff
<Lanc e lot >so I us e it afairb it
<Lan celot> ev en with o nl y ak e ybo ard I usethose bu ttons
<me o nkeys >  a h, go tch a.
<me on key s> Sa y, do
 of_Unity in_Natty?
<valorie> yes
<meonkeys> cool.
<valorie> son_was trying_it_out
<meonkeys> CJ_Collier,_are you in_here?
<Lancelot> from what_I've seen so far_Unity is failing
<Lancelot>_really_really hard
<meonkeys> failing how? people don't want it?
<valorie> I dunno -- people resist change
<valorie>_gnome_3 is_basically_the_same thing as unity
<meonkeys> Jack_Wallen very much prefers the_gnome shell:_http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/gnome-shell-vs-ubuntu-unity-which-desktop-wins/2291
<Lancelot> the changes in gnome 3 are so_stupid
<meonkeys>_the one thing_that really made me want the GNOME shell instead_of unity was the lack of_a run dialog_in_Unity
<meonkeys>_I use the run_dialog all the time.
<Lancelot> they're the_perfect example of why liberal arts_majors should work in coffee shops IMO
<Lancelot>_I mean, basic functionality is not_something you mess with
<Lancelot> changing_something for_the sake of changing it_is useless
<meonkeys> I_think they're_changing it to_try and improve it
<meonkeys> (the user_interface, that is)
<Lancelot>_how is removing the minimize and_maximize_buttons an improvement?
<Lancelot>_I_use_those all_the time
<Lancelot> I_don't_even think_about_it
<meonkeys> I don't, so, I guess_that_would be an improvement for me. :)
<meonkeys>_I usually just hit_F11_to maximize or un-maximize,_and drag window corners to_resize.
<meonkeys> The close button seems like_a waste_of space_too, Alt-F4 works great. :)
<meonkeys> I guess I just prefer less_mouse, more keyboard.
<Lancelot> the work I_do requires a mouse
<Lancelot>_design stuff
<Lancelot>_so_I use it_a_fair bit
<Lancelot>_even with only a keyboard I use_those buttons
<meonkeys>_ah, gotcha.
<meonkeys> Say, do