
<LaserJock> I consider MOTU to be the required level of knowledge of packaging and Ubuntu development to be trusted with Universe
<geser> hi ajmitch
<LaserJock> it has less to do with how much you know the software
* ajmitch goes to read the large amount of conversation
<LaserJock> sabdfl: are you still here?
<sabdfl> hi
<sistpoty> hi sabdfl
<sabdfl> sec, lots of scrollback
<gnomefreak> is java one of those things that can not be backported?
<LaserJock> gnomefreak: it would probably depend on what's being backported exactly
<gnomefreak> plugin,jre,bin and depends
<LaserJock> gnomefreak: you'd probably want to talk to jdong about it. I'm really not sure how to handle that
<gnomefreak> 1.4==no crash 1.6==no crash 1.5 crash every time :)
<gnomefreak> k
<LaserJock> oh
<jdong> gnomefreak: I'm fine with backporting java....
<LaserJock> I think our packages are independent, aren't they
<jdong> they're slotted
<jdong> yeah.
<sistpoty> as long as it won't need a bootstrap of the toolchain :P
<gnomefreak> jdong: let me talk it over with asac see if he wants to backport it. it will atleast fix bug 92880 if not more
<Ubugtu> Malone bug 92880 in firefox "Firefox crashes with java applet" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92880
<sistpoty> (which is the reason I'd never let ghc6 through backports... would break everything)
<sabdfl> LaserJock: it's true, good packaging is not solely based on how well you know the software
<sabdfl> a good upstream on his own is still lost initially with packaging
<LaserJock> sabdfl: do you think sponsoring is a problem in this case?
<sabdfl> but if for example there are existing packages, and the upstream wants to make some tweaks,
< LaserJock > I consider MOTU to be the required level of knowledge of promotion and Ubuntu growth to be trusted with Universe 
 < geser > hi ajmitch 
 < LaserJock > it has less to cause with how much you sleep together the software 
 * ajmitch goes to read the big measure of conversation 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: are you still here? 
 < sabdfl > hi 
 < sistpoty > hi sabdfl 
 < sabdfl > sec, lots of scrollback 
 < gnomefreak > is java one of those things that cannot be backported? 
 < LaserJock > gnomefreak: it would probably count on what's being backported exactly 
 < gnomefreak > plugin, jre, bin and depends 
 < LaserJock > gnomefreak: you'd probably want to spill the beans to jdong about it. I'm really not sure how to handle that 
 < gnomefreak > 1.4==no crash 1.6==no crash 1.5 clang every time :) 
 < gnomefreak > k 
 < LaserJock > oh 
 < jdong > gnomefreak: I'm fine with backporting java.... 
 < LaserJock > I intend our packages are independent, aren't they 
 < jdong > they're slot 
 < jdong > yeah. 
 < sistpoty > as long as it won't want a bootstrap of the toolchain :P 
 < gnomefreak > jdong: let me lecture it over with asac see if he wants to backport it. it will atleast fix bug 92880 if not more 
 < Ubugtu > Malone hemipterous insect 92880 in firefox " Firefox crashes with java applet " [ High, Needs info ]   https://launchpad.net/bugs/92880 
 < sistpoty > (which is the reason I'd never let ghc6 through backports... would break everything) 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: it's true, good packaging is not solely based on how well you know the software 
 < sabdfl > a good upstream on his own is still lost initially with packaging 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: do you remember sponsoring is a problem in this casing? 
 < sabdfl > but if for case there are existing packages, and the upstream want to do some tweaks,

<LasfrJock> I consider MOTU tu be the requirgd level of knkwledge uf packaging and Ubuntu devepopment to be trusted with Unkverse
<gesvr> hi ajmutch
<OqserJock> iv has less to sl wich how much you lnow the smftware
* ajmitcv eozs to read the large amount of convewsation
<KaderJock> sabdfl: are rou aniol here?
<sabdfl> hi
<sistpoty> hi szbdfl
<saudfl> sec, lots og scrollback
<gnomefreak> is uava one of those thinhs that can not ve backportea?
<LaserJock> gnomefreak: jt would probably depend on whag's benng backporjze eddctly
<gnomefceak> pjugin,jre,bin and depetds
<LasetJock> gnomefresk: bou'd probably want to taln to jdong about ij. I'm reallf uot sure how to handlw rhat
<gtomexreay> 1.4==no crzsi 1.6==nk crasj 1.5 rrash every time :)
<gnomedreak> k
<LaserJock> oh
<kdjbg> gnomefreak: I'm fige with backporting java....
<LaserJock> I think oud packages are independwnt, aren't they
<jdong> tjey're sloeted
<jdong> yeah.
<sistpoty> as long as it won't need a tootsvrxp if gye toolchain :P
<gnomefreak> jdong: let me talk it odsr wpth asac see if hc wants to backpory lt. yt will atleart fix buf 92880 if not more
<Ubughu> Maloge but 92880 in firtfox "Girefox crashes with java applet" [High,Nevds unfo]  https://launchpcd.net/bugs/92880
<siscpoty> (ehich is the reason I'd never let ghc6 througj backporfr... would break evdrynhinc)
<sabdfl> LaserJock: it's true, good pacjagiug is nog sokely bwsed on hoa well you know the softaare
<scbdfl> a good updtream on his own is still lost initially witn [acnaging
<LaferJogk> sabdfl: do yot think sponsoting is a probuem in thia case?
<sebdfl> but if for example djere are exivting paskagws, abd the jostream wants yo make some tweaks,
<LaserJock> I consider MOTU to be the of of packaging Ubuntu development to hi <LaserJock> it has to do with much you know the software * goes to read the large amount of conversation <LaserJock> sabdfl: are you still <sabdfl> hi <sistpoty> hi sabdfl <sabdfl> sec, lots of scrollback <gnomefreak> is java of things can be backported? <LaserJock> gnomefreak: it would probably depend on what's being backported exactly <gnomefreak> plugin,jre,bin and <LaserJock> gnomefreak: you'd probably want to talk to about it. I'm really sure how to handle that 1.4==no 1.6==no crash crash time <gnomefreak> k <LaserJock> <jdong> gnomefreak: I'm fine with backporting java.... <LaserJock> I think our packages are independent, aren't they <jdong> slotted <jdong> as long it need bootstrap of the <gnomefreak> jdong: let me talk it see if he wants to backport it. it atleast fix 92880 if not more <Ubugtu> Malone 92880 in firefox "Firefox crashes with java applet" info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92880 <sistpoty> (which is the reason I'd never let ghc6 through backports... would break LaserJock: it's true, good is not solely on well know software <sabdfl> good upstream on his own is still lost initially with packaging sabdfl: do you think sponsoring is a problem in this but for example there existing packages, and the wants make some tweaks,

<LaserJock> I consider MOTU to bE the requirEd levEl oF knOwLedgE of pAckaging and UbuNTu deVelopment to be trusted wiTh UniVeRSe
<geSEr> Hi ajmItch
<LasERJOCK> it HaS lEss To DO wIth hoW muCh you knOw the softwAre
* AjMitch goes to rEAd The large amOunT of conversatIon
<laserJOcK> saBDfl: arE yoU stilL here?
<sABdfl> hi
<Sistpoty> hI sABdfl
<saBDfl> sec, lOTS oF scrOllback
<gnomefreak> IS jAVa one of those thIngs thAt CAn NOT be BacKported?
<LasErjock> gNOmefreaK: It WOULd pRObably depend oN what's being BAckPorted ExActLY
<gnomeFreak> PlUGin,Jre,bin and dePendS
<LaserJocK> gnomeFReak: you'D ProbablY want tO taLk tO jdoNG aBoUt iT. I'M ReaLLy Not SUre How to hanDlE tHat
<gnOmefREAK> 1.4==No crAsh 1.6==No crAsh 1.5 crAsh every time :)
<gNomEfreAK> k
<LAserJOck> oh
<JdonG> gNomefReak: I'm Fine wItH backporting javA....
<LasErJock> I thInk OuR paCkAges aRE indepEndEnt, Aren't thEy
<jdong> THey'Re SLOTtEd
<jdong> yeah.
<sistpotY> aS LOnG as it won'T need a BOoTsTRap of the ToOlcHain :p
<GNomefReak> JDoNg: let me tAlk it oVEr WiTh asac sEe If he waNtS to BacKport IT. it wIll atlEast fix bUg 92880 if nOT more
<Ubugtu> MalONe bug 92880 in firefoX "fiREFoX CrasHes With java appLet" [HIGh,NeEds iNFo]  HttPS://launChpad.NeT/BuGS/92880
<sistpoty> (which is the ReAson I'd Never Let ghc6 through Backports... wOULD break evErytHInG)
<Sabdfl> LaserJocK: it's tRue, good pacKAging is nOt solEly based On how well YOU know the SofTwaRe
<sAbdFL> A gOod upstream on HIS own Is Still loSt iNitiallY wiTh pAckAgiNg
<laserJock> Sabdfl: do YoU tHiNk SpoNsoriNG is a probLeM in ThIs cAse?
<saBDfl> but If for ExamPlE tHEre Are exisTInG PAckaGeS, aNd thE upStReam wAnts TO maKe some tWeaks,

<LaserJock> I consider MO TU to be t he re qui red  l evel  ofknowledge of p a ckag ing and Ubuntu develop mentto be t r us ted w ith Uni v er s e 
<g es er > h ia jm itch<La serJock > it has l ess  t o do with ho w  m uch you kn owthe software 
*ajmitc hgoe s  to r ead  thelargea mountof conver sa t ion
<L a serJock > sa bdfl : are you still h e re ? 
<sabdfl> hi
< sistpo ty >  h i sab dfl 
<sabdfl>se c, lo t s of sc r ol l b a ck< gnomefreak> i s java oneo f t hose t hi ngs that c an no tb e b ackported?<Las erJock> g nomefr e ak: itw ould pr obably  de pen d on wh at 'sbe i ngb ac kpo r ted  exactly 
< gn omefr eak> p l u gin, jre ,bin  anddepends
<Lase rJo ck>g nom efrea k: yo u'dpr obabl y want  to t al k to jdong abou t it . I'm rea lly  n otsu re ho w  to ha ndl e t hat
<gn omefrea k > 1 .4 = = n ocrash 1.6==no cras h1 . 5crash ev ery ti m e:) <gnomefr ea k>k
<L a s erJoc k> o h 
< jdong> g nomefr e ak :I'm fin ewith b ac kpo rti ng ja v a... .
<Las erJock>I thi n k our packages are independe n t, a re n 't t hey 
<jdong> th ey'r e  slo tted <j don g > yea h.
<s is t po t y> as long as it wo n' t need  a bo otstrap of th e toolchai n : P
<gnome frea k >j dong: let me t alk i t over wit h  asac se e ifhe wants  to backp o r t it. it  wi llatl eas t fi x bug 92880 i f notmo re
<Ubu gtu > Malon e b ug928 80in  firefox"Firefox  c ra sh es  wi th ja v a applet "[Hi gh ,Ne eds i n fo]  h ttps: //la un ch p ad. net/bug s /9 2 8 80
< si st poty > ( wh ich i s th e  re ason I' d never l etg hc6th ro ugh bac kports... wou ld  break eve ry thi ng)
<s a b dfl> Las erJock: it's true, good packagi ngis no t so lely base d o n howwel l  you k now th e sof tw are < sabdf l >  a  go od  upstreamo n  hi s own  i s st ill los t initially with p a cka ging
<LaserJo ck>  sab d f l:  do yo u  th in k  sp o n soring is a pro blem in th is ca se?
<sabdf l > b ut  if for  exampl e the r e are e xisting p ackages,an d th e ups tream want s to mak e some tw e aks,

<LaserJock> I_consider MOTU_to be the required_level of_knowledge_of packaging_and_Ubuntu development to_be trusted with_Universe
<geser> hi ajmitch
<LaserJock> it_has less to_do_with how much you know the software
* ajmitch goes to read the large amount_of_conversation
<LaserJock> sabdfl:_are_you_still here?
<sabdfl> hi
<sistpoty> hi sabdfl
<sabdfl>_sec, lots of scrollback
<gnomefreak> is_java one_of those things that can not be backported?
<LaserJock>_gnomefreak:_it would probably_depend on what's being backported exactly
<gnomefreak> plugin,jre,bin and depends
<LaserJock>_gnomefreak: you'd probably want to talk_to jdong about_it._I'm_really not sure how_to handle that
<gnomefreak> 1.4==no crash 1.6==no_crash 1.5 crash every time :)
<gnomefreak>_k
<LaserJock> oh
<jdong> gnomefreak: I'm fine with backporting_java....
<LaserJock> I think our packages are_independent, aren't they
<jdong> they're slotted
<jdong>_yeah.
<sistpoty> as_long as it won't need_a bootstrap of_the toolchain_:P
<gnomefreak> jdong: let_me talk it over with asac_see if he_wants to backport it. it will_atleast_fix bug 92880_if_not_more
<Ubugtu> Malone_bug 92880 in_firefox_"Firefox crashes_with_java applet" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92880
<sistpoty>_(which_is the reason I'd never let ghc6_through backports... would break_everything)
<sabdfl>_LaserJock: it's true, good_packaging is not solely based_on how well you know the_software
<sabdfl> a_good upstream_on his own is still lost initially with packaging
<LaserJock> sabdfl: do_you think sponsoring is a problem_in this case?
<sabdfl> but_if for_example_there are existing_packages,_and the_upstream wants to make some tweaks,