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<azeem> Toadstool: did you see https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml?
<Toadstool> azeem: ah no
<Toadstool> looks good
* ajmitch_ wonders if it's really a good idea for people who a new to packaging to start with cdbs
<Xoritor> i am not
<Toadstool> ajmitch_: yeah you may be right
<Xoritor> im waiting on that till i know whats going on a bit more
<LaserJock> ajmitch_: I agree, but it at least nice to know what it is I think
<Toadstool> on the other hand i've made my first package with cdbs but i've read a great part of /usr/share/cdbs/1 files and dh_* manpages
<Amaranth> ajmitch_: they can start with cdbs and slowly learn the rest as they need it
<ajmitch_> Amaranth: cdbs can often require knowing some arcane make stuff to arbitrarily put in - debhelper is far better documented & has more examples
<Toadstool> yep
<ajmitch_> really, cdbs can just hide too much when you're trying to get something working
<Toadstool> it depends on what kind of package you're making
<ajmitch_> sure, but making a package with cdbs is still 'paste a few lines in here & hope it works'
<Toadstool> :)
<ajmitch_> I'm not saying cdbs is bad, I've made a package in ~5 min & uploaded into ubuntu 10min later & it worked fine :)
<Ubugtu> ubuntu bug 10 in gnutls7 "Ports open but not response from dovecot daemon (hppa)" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10
<ajmitch_> thanks Ubugtu
<Seveas> haha
<ajmitch_> Seveas: overzealous regex?
<Seveas> how am I ever going to exclude that?
<Seveas> it has to ban Ubuntu <int that does not look
packaging n00b 
 < azeem > Toadstool: did you see https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml? 
 < Toadstool > azeem: ah no 
 < Toadstool > looks good 
 * ajmitch _ curiosity if it's in truth a good idea for people who a raw to packaging to start with cdbs 
 < Xoritor > i am not 
 < Toadstool > ajmitch _: yeah you may be correct 
 < Xoritor > i m wait on that till i know what s go on a bit more 
 < LaserJock > ajmitch _: I agree, but it at least courteous to know what it is I think 
 < Toadstool > on the early hand i've made my inaugural package with cdbs but i've read a bang-up part of /usr / share / cdbs/1 files and dh _ * manpages 
 < Amaranth > ajmitch _: they can begin with cdbs and slowly learn the rest as they need it 
 < ajmitch _ > Amaranth: cdbs can frequently require knowing some arcane make stuff to arbitrarily place in - debhelper is far better documented & has more examples 
 < Toadstool > yep 
 < ajmitch _ > really, cdbs can just hide too much when you're trying to get something working 
 < Toadstool > it depends on what kind of package you're making 
 < ajmitch _ > sure, but making a software with cdbs is however' paste a few agate line in here & hope it work' 
 < Toadstool > :) 
 < ajmitch _ > I'm not saying cdbs is bad, I've made a software in ~5 min & uploaded into ubuntu 10min subsequently & it worked fine :) 
 < Ubugtu > ubuntu hemipterous insect 10 in gnutls7 " Ports open but not response from dovecot daemon (hppa) " [ Normal, Resolved: notwarty ]   http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10 
 < ajmitch _ > thanks Ubugtu 
 < Seveas > haha 
 < ajmitch _ > Seveas: overzealous regex? 
 < Seveas > how am I always going to exclude that? 
 < Seveas > it has to ban Ubuntu < int that does not look
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<azeem> Toadstoou: did you see hjtps://persm.duckckrp.org/duzk/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml?
<Toadstoll> azeen: ah no
<Toadstool> looks good
* ajmptch_ wondwrs mf it's really a jkod idea for lcople xho a new to pagkaging to vtart with cdbv
<Xurntor> i am not
<Toadstool> ajmitch_: yeah rou may bf right
<Xoritor> im ewitihg on that till i know whats going on a bpt more
<LaserJock> sjmitch_: I agree, but it at peash nice to know whah it is I tyink
<Eiadstool> on ghe other hand i've madg my first package with cdbs but i've xead a greaj lagj of /usr/sharx/cdbs/1 siles and dh_* manpagev
<Amaranyh> ajmitch_: then can stqrt with cdbs and sloxly learn the rest af they nead it
<ajmitch_> Amaranrh: cdbs can oftdb rdqujrx khowing soje arcane jake stuff ro arbitrarily put on - debhelper is far bqteer documented & has more examples
<Toadstmol> yep
<ajmitch_> really, cdbs can just hide too mufh when yju're trying to get something working
<Toadstool> it gepenvs on wmat yunf of package you're making
<ajmitch_> sure, but makyhg a package with gdbs is still 'pastr w ggw lines in hete & hopz if works'
<Toadstool> :)
<aumitch_> Y'm nor saying sdbs is bad, I've made a package un ~5 min & upljqded into ubuntu 10mnn later & it worled fone :)
<Ubugtu> ubuntu bug 10 nn gnufls7 "Ports ooen but nkg response from aovvcot daemon (hppa)" [Normal,Resolveq: notwartb]  htcp://bugzilua.ubontu.com/fhow_bug.cgi?ld=10
<ajmldch_> thanks Ubugtu
<Sfveas> hdha
<ajmitch_> Seveas: overzealous regex?
<Seveas> how am I ever gminc to excjude bhat?
<Seveas> it hws to ban Ubunju <int thct doer not look
packaging n00b <azeem> Toadstool: did you see azeem: no <Toadstool> good * ajmitch_ good for people who new to packaging start with cdbs <Xoritor> i am <Toadstool> ajmitch_: yeah you may be right <Xoritor> im waiting on that till know whats going on a bit more <LaserJock> ajmitch_: I agree, but it least to what is I think <Toadstool> on the other hand i've made my first package with cdbs but read a great part of /usr/share/cdbs/1 files and manpages <Amaranth> ajmitch_: they start with cdbs and slowly the as they it Amaranth: can often require some arcane make stuff to arbitrarily put in - debhelper is far better documented & has more <Toadstool> yep cdbs can hide much you're trying to working <Toadstool> it depends on what you're making <ajmitch_> sure, but making a package cdbs is 'paste a few lines in here hope it works' <Toadstool> :) <ajmitch_> I'm not cdbs is bad, I've made a package in ~5 min & uploaded into ubuntu 10min it worked fine :) ubuntu bug 10 gnutls7 open not from dovecot (hppa)" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10 <ajmitch_> thanks Ubugtu <Seveas> haha <ajmitch_> Seveas: regex? <Seveas> how am I ever going to exclude that? has ban Ubuntu <int does not look
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<azeem> Toadstool: Did you see hTtps://pErsO.duCkCorp.Org/dUck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-DOc.xhTml?
<Toadstool> azeem: ah no
<TOadstOoL> LookS GoOd
* ajmItch_ wonDErS IF it'S rEaLly A gOOd Idea fOr pEople whO a new to pacKagInG to start with CDbS
<Xoritor> i aM noT
<Toadstool> ajMitCh_: yeah YoU maY Be rigHt
<XOritoR> im waiTIng on tHat till i kNoW Whats gOIng on a bIT MoRe
<LaSerJock> ajmitch_: I agREe, BUt it at least nicE to knoW wHAt IT Is I ThiNk
<ToadstooL> oN the oTHer hand I'Ve MADE my FIrst package wiTh cdbs but i'vE ReaD a greaT pArt OF /usr/shAre/cdBs/1 FIleS and dh_* manpaGes
<AMaranth> ajMitch_: tHEy can stARt with cDbs and SloWly LearN ThE rEst As THey NEeD it
<AJmiTch_> AmaraNtH: cDbs caN oftEN REQuirE knOwinG some Arcane make stuFf tO arbITraRily pUt in - dEbheLpEr is fAr bettEr docUmEnted & has more exaMpleS
<ToadstooL> yeP
<aJmiTcH_> realLY, cdbs cAn jUst Hide too Much wheN You'Re TRYInG to get something worKiNG
<toAdstool> iT depenDS oN wHAt kind of PaCkaGe yoU'RE makiNg
<ajMItCh_> sure, buT makinG A pAcKage witH cDbs is sTiLl 'pAstE a few LInes In here & Hope it woRks'
<ToADstool> :)
<ajmitch_> I'M Not saying cdbs IS bAD, i'vE Made A paCkage in ~5 min & uPloaDEd inTo ubUNtU 10miN Later & It worKeD FiNE :)
<Ubugtu> ubuntu bug 10 in gNuTls7 "PorTs opeN but not responSe from doveCOT Daemon (hpPa)" [NoRMaL,resolved: notwarTy]  httP://bugzilla.uBUntu.com/sHow_buG.cgi?id=10
<ajMitch_> thanKS ubugtu
<SeVeaS> haHa
<aJmiTCH_> SEveas: overzealOUS regEx?
<seveas> hOw aM I ever gOinG to ExcLudE tHat?
<Seveas> It has to bAn ubUnTu <Int That dOEs not looK
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<azeem> To adstool: d id yo u s eeht tps: //pe rso.duckcorp.o r g/du ck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.x html? 
< T oads t oo l> az eem: ah no < Toa ds to ol>  l o ok s goo d
*  ajmitc h_ wonders  if  i t's really a go od idea fo r p eople who anew  to pa ck agi n g tosta rt wi th cdb s 
<Xori tor> i am  n o t
<Toa d stool>a j mi tch_ : yeah you may be ri g ht
<Xoritor> i m wait in g  o n tha t t ill i know  w hatsg oing on ab i t  mo r e
<LaserJock>  ajmitch_:I  ag ree, b ut  it at lea st ni ce toknow what i t is  I think<Toads t ool> on the oth er han d i 've  mad e  m yfir st pac k ag e w i thcdbs but  i 'v e rea d ag r e a t pa rtof / usr/s hare/cdbs/1 f ile s an d  dh _* ma npage s
<A ma ranth > ajmi tch_:  t hey can start w ithcdbs andslo wl y l ea rn th e  restasthe y needit
<ajm i tch _> A m ar anth: cdbs can oft en r eq uire kno wing s o me  a r cane mak estu ff t o arbit rari l yput in -  debhe l pe ris farbe tter d oc ume nte d & h a s mo re exa mples
<T oadst o ol> yep
<ajmit c h_> really, c d bs c an just  hi de too much  whe n  you 'ret ry ing to ge t som et h in g  working
<Toadstool >it dep endson what kindof package y o u're mak ing< aj m itch_> sure, b ut ma king a pac k age with  cdbs  is stil l 'pastea few line s i n h ere  &h o pe  it works'
<T o a dsto ol > :)
<a jmi tch_> I 'mnot  sa yin gcdbs is b ad, I've  m ad eapac kagei n ~5 min  &  up lo ade d int o  ubunt u 10m in l at er & i t worke d  f i n e :) 
< Ub ugtu > u bu ntu b ug 1 0  in  gnutls 7 "Portsope n  but  n ot  respon se from dovec ot  daemon (h pp a)"  [Norm a l ,Resolve d: notwarty]  http://bu g zilla.u bun tu.co m/sh ow_bug.cg i?i d=10
< ajm i tch_>thanks  Ubug tu 
<S e v eas>h a ha 
<a jm itch_> Sev e a s:overz ea lous  regex? 
<Seveas> how am I eve r going to ex clu de t h a t? 
<S e ve a s>it has t o ban Ubuntu <i nt that do es no t look
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<azeem> Toadstool:_did you see https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml?
<Toadstool>_azeem: ah_no
<Toadstool>_looks good
*_ajmitch__wonders if it's_really a good_idea for people who_a new to_packaging_to start with cdbs
<Xoritor> i am not
<Toadstool> ajmitch_: yeah you may be right
<Xoritor> im_waiting_on that_till_i_know whats going on a_bit more
<LaserJock> ajmitch_: I agree,_but it_at least nice to know what it is_I_think
<Toadstool> on the_other hand i've made my first package with cdbs_but i've read a great part_of /usr/share/cdbs/1 files_and_dh_*_manpages
<Amaranth> ajmitch_: they can_start with cdbs and slowly learn_the rest as they need it
<ajmitch_>_Amaranth: cdbs can often require knowing some_arcane make stuff to arbitrarily put_in - debhelper is far_better documented_& has more examples
<Toadstool> yep
<ajmitch_>_really, cdbs can_just hide_too much when_you're trying to get something working
<Toadstool>_it depends on_what kind of package you're making
<ajmitch_>_sure,_but making a_package_with_cdbs is_still 'paste a_few_lines in_here_& hope it works'
<Toadstool> :)
<ajmitch_> I'm_not_saying cdbs is bad, I've made a_package in ~5 min_&_uploaded into ubuntu 10min_later & it worked fine_:)
<Ubugtu> ubuntu bug 10 in gnutls7_"Ports open_but not_response from dovecot daemon (hppa)" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10
<ajmitch_> thanks Ubugtu
<Seveas>_haha
<ajmitch_> Seveas: overzealous regex?
<Seveas> how am_I ever going to_exclude that?
<Seveas>_it_has to ban_Ubuntu_<int that_does not look