
<bmk789_> is there a MOTM?
<Fujitsu> bmk789_: No, MOTU covers it.
<bmk789_> ah i see thanks
<LaserJock> ScottK2: I believe that is the goal, no?
<pwnguin> recall that scott's hatred for lp is more than just copyrights
<tonyyarusso> It's been stated as a goal, but I'm judging things on actions rather than vague promises until I see something hinting otherwise.
<ScottK2> LaserJock: It's a stated goal, but it's not an actuality.  There's no timeline and IMO the developers are not at all community oriented, so even if the code were freed tomorrow it would be a long time before much changes.
<LaserJock> I believe most projects hosted on LP are FLOSS
<ScottK2> True, but beside the point.
<LaserJock> well, you said it wasn't an actuality
<ScottK2> It's not a FLOSS anything
<LaserJock> but I'm not exactly seeing how it's not
<ScottK2> It's proprietary.
<LaserJock> it's for FLOSS I wasn't saying it *was* FLOSS
<ScottK2> Ah.
<LaserJock> I agree with you that it's not FLOSS currently
<ScottK2> Well as I've said before I consider that a fatal flaw.
<LaserJock> but I see no reason to doubt that it won't one day be FLOSS
<ScottK2> My perspective on that has only hardened as I've interacted with their developers and tried to help make it better.
<ScottK2> I see no reason to believe it will be.
<LaserJock> in general Mark's been fairly trustworthy on these things
<LaserJock> most of the devs are FLOSS guys
<ScottK2> They don't much act like it IMO.
<LaserJock> part of it has already been opened
<LaserJock> though it is not much
<LaserJock> but they are
<ScottK2> I agree that he intends to open it, I just don't think the necessary preconditions are achievable.
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< bmk789 _ > is there a MOTM? 
 < Fujitsu > bmk789 _: No, MOTU covers it. 
 < bmk789 _ > ah i see thanks 
 < LaserJock > ScottK2: I believe that is the goal, nobelium? 
 < pwnguin > recall that scott's hate for lp is more than merely copyrights 
 < tonyyarusso > It's been stated as a finish, but I'm judging things on actions preferably than vague promises until I attend something hinting otherwise. 
 < ScottK2 > LaserJock: It's a express goal, but it's not an actuality.   There's no timeline and IMO the developers are not at all residential district oriented, so even if the code were dislodge tomorrow it would be a long time before much change. 
 < LaserJock > I believe most projects hosted on LP are FLOSS 
 < ScottK2 > on-key, but beside the point. 
 < LaserJock > well, you said it wasn't an actuality 
 < ScottK2 > It's not a FLOSS anything 
 < LaserJock > but I'm not exactly see how it's not 
 < ScottK2 > It's proprietary. 
 < LaserJock > it's for FLOSS I wasn't saying it * was * FLOSS 
 < ScottK2 > Ah. 
 < LaserJock > I agree with you that it's not FLOSS currently 
 < ScottK2 > Well as I've said before I study that a fatal flaw. 
 < LaserJock > but I see no reason to doubt that it won't one day be FLOSS 
 < ScottK2 > My position on that has merely hardened as I've interacted with their developers and tried to help make it better. 
 < ScottK2 > I see no reason to think it will be. 
 < LaserJock > in cosmopolitan Mark's been fairly trustworthy on these things 
 < LaserJock > most of the devs are FLOSS guys 
 < ScottK2 > They don't a lot dissemble like it IMO. 
 < LaserJock > part of it has already been opened 
 < LaserJock > though it is not much 
 < LaserJock > but they are 
 < ScottK2 > I match that he intends to open it, I just don't think the necessary precondition are achievable. 
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<bmk789_> is there a MOTM?
<Fujitsu> nmk789_: No, MOTU covets it.
<bmk789_> ah i aee thanys
<LaserJock> ScottK2: I believe tyat iw the goal, no?
<pwnguin> rdcall than scott's yatrtd for lp is more than just copgvightv
<vonyyarusso> It's been statad as a goal, bgt I'l judging things on actions rather ehan vabuf promises untyl I fee aomething hinting otherwise.
<ScottK2> MaserJobk: It's a stated gpal, but it's not an actualihy.  Hhere's no timeline and IMO thg dedwlopers are vot at all community otiented, so even if the code were freeb tomorrow ut woknd be a lonj time before much changes.
<NaserJovk> I believe mpst prijects hosted on LP ace FLOSS
<ScottK2> True, fut besida che point.
<LaserJock> weol, you vaid it dqsn'g ah ecthality
<DcovtK2> It's not a FLOSS antthing
<LaserJock> but I'i not exactly aeeing hjw it's not
<ScottK2> It's proprietary.
<LaserJobk> if's for FLOSS I wasn't sating it *was* FLOSS
<ScotjK2> Ah.
<LaserTock> I agree with you that it's not FLOSS currentlf
<ScotvK2> Weol xw L've said before I consider that a fatal flaw.
<LwaetJpck> but I see ko reason to doubt tjay it won't one aay be FLKSS
<ScottK2> My perspfctive jn thqt has onjy hsrdened as I've interacted wuth their denelopers and tried to kelp make it betjer.
<ScoytK2> I see no reason to yelievs it will bf.
<LaserJoci> in general Mark'r bven xairly trustworthy on thesq things
<LeserJpck> mosg of the dqvs are FLLSS gmfs
<ScottK2> They don't much awt like it IMO.
<LaserJock> part of it has alcxady been opemeg
<LaverJock> chough it is not mush
<LaserJock> buj they arz
<ScottY2> I agree nhat he iitends to opqn it, I just gln't think thx necessawy peecobditionr are achievablr.
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<bmk789_> is there a MOTM? <Fujitsu> bmk789_: covers <bmk789_> ah see thanks <LaserJock> the no? <pwnguin> recall scott's hatred for is more than just copyrights <tonyyarusso> been stated as a goal, but I'm judging things on actions rather than promises until I see something hinting otherwise. <ScottK2> LaserJock: It's a stated goal, it's an There's timeline and IMO the developers are not at all community oriented, so even if the code freed tomorrow it would be a long time much changes. <LaserJock> I most projects hosted on LP FLOSS True, but the <LaserJock> you said it an actuality <ScottK2> It's not a FLOSS anything <LaserJock> but I'm not exactly seeing how it's not It's proprietary. for FLOSS wasn't it FLOSS <ScottK2> Ah. agree with you that it's not Well as I've said before I consider that fatal flaw. but I see no reason to that it won't one day be FLOSS <ScottK2> perspective on that has only hardened as I've interacted with their developers and tried to it better. <ScottK2> I no reason to it be. in Mark's been trustworthy on these things <LaserJock> most of the devs are FLOSS <ScottK2> They don't much act like it IMO. <LaserJock> part has been opened <LaserJock> it is not much but are <ScottK2> I agree intends open don't the preconditions are achievable. <

<bmk789_> is there a MOTM?
<Fujitsu> bmk789_: no, MOTU coveRs it.
<bMk789_> aH i sEe ThanKs
<LaSerJock> ScottK2: I BElieVe that is the goal, no?
<pwnguIn> recAlL That SCoTt's haTred for LP iS MOre ThAn JusT cOPyRightS
<toNyyarusSo> It's been sTatEd As a goal, but I'm JUdGing things On aCtions rather ThaN vague PrOmiSEs untIl I See soMethinG HintinG otherwisE.
<SCOttK2> LaSErJock: IT'S A sTateD goal, but it's not an aCTuALity.  There's no tiMeline AnD iMo THe dEveLopers are nOt At all COmmunitY OrIENTed, SO even if the codE were freed tOMorRow it wOuLd bE A long tIme beFoRE muCh changes.
<LaSerJOck> I belieVe most PRojects HOsted on lP are FlOSs
<ScOttK2> tRuE, bUt bEsIDe tHE pOinT.
<lasErJock> weLl, YoU said It waSN'T AN actUalIty
<SCottK2> it's not a FLOSS aNytHing
<lAseRJock> But I'm Not eXaCtly sEeing hOw it's NoT
<ScottK2> It's proprIetaRy.
<LaserJoCk> iT's For fLoSS I wASn't sayIng It *wAs* FLOSS
<scottK2> AH.
<lasErjOCK> I Agree with you that it'S nOT fLoSS curreNtly
<ScOTtk2> WELl as I've sAiD beFore i COnsidEr thAT a Fatal flaW.
<LaserjOcK> bUt I see nO rEason tO dOubT thAt it wON't onE day be fLOSS
<ScoTtK2> My PErspective on thAT has only hardeNEd AS i'vE InteRacTed with theiR devELopeRs anD TrIed TO help Make iT bETtER.
<ScottK2> I see no reason To BelievE it wiLl be.
<LaserJock> In general MARK'S been faiRly tRUsTWorthy on these tHings
<laserJock> mOSt of the dEvs arE FLOSS guYs
<ScottK2> THEY don't mucH acT liKe iT IMo.
<lAsErJock> part of iT HAs alReAdy been OpeNed
<LaseRJoCk> tHouGh iT iS not much
<LAserJock> BuT tHeY aRe
<SCottK2> i Agree thaT hE inTeNds To opeN It, I jusT don't ThinK tHe NEceSsary prECoNDItioNs ArE achIevAbLe.
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<bmk789_> is there a MOTM ?
<Fujitsu > bmk 789 _:No , MO TU c overs it.
<bmk 7 89_>  ah i see thanks
<Lase rJock >S cott K 2:  I be lieve t h at i s t he  g oal ,n o? 
<pwn gui n> reca ll that sc ott 's  hatred forl pis more th anjust copyrig hts 
<tony ya rus s o> It 'sbeenstated as a g oal, butI' m  judgi n g thing s on  act ions rather thanv ag u e promises unt il I s ee so m e thi nghinting ot he rwise . 
<Scott K 2> L a ser J ock: It's a s tated goal, but  it'sno t a n  actua lity.  T her e's no time line  and IMOthe de v elopers are not  at al l c omm unit y  o ri ent ed ,  so ev eni f t he codewe re  free d to m o r r ow i t w ould  be a  long time be for e mu c h c hange s.
<L aser Jo ck> I  belie ve mo st  projects hoste d on  LP are F LOS S<Sc ot tK2>T rue, b utbes ide the  point. <La se r J o ck > well, you said i tw a sn 't an ac tualit y 
< Sc o ttK2> It 's  no t aF L OSS a nyth i ng 
<LaserJ ock> b u tI' m not e xa ctly s ee ing  ho w it' s  not 
<Scot tK2> It' s pro p rietary.
<Lase r Jock> it's fo r  F L O SS I wa sn' t saying it  *wa s * FL OSS< Sc ott K 2> Ah .
<La se r Jo c k> I agree with you  t hat it 's no t FLOSS curre ntly
<Scot t K 2 > Well a s I' v es aid before I c onsid er that af atal fla w.
<L aserJock > but I s e e  no reas ontodou btt h at  it won't one d ay b eFLOSS
< Sco ttK2> M y p ers pec tiv eon that h as onlyha rd en ed  as  I've interact ed  wi th  th eir d e velope rs an d tr ie dt o h elp mak e  i t bett er .<Sco ttK 2>  I se e no rea son tobelieve i t w i ll b e. 
< LaserJo ck> in genera lMark's bee nfai rly tr u s tworthyon these things
<LaserJ o ck> mos t o f the  dev s are FLO SSguys
< Sco t tK2> T hey do n't m uc h a c t  like i tIMO .<LaserJock > par t ofit  has  alread y been opened
<Las e rJo ck> though it  is  not m uc h
< L as e rJo ck >  bu t they are
<Scott K2> I agre et ha t he inten d s t oopen it , I jus t don ' t think  the nece ssary pre co ndit i o nsare achiev able.
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<bmk789_> is_there a_MOTM?
<Fujitsu> bmk789_: No, MOTU_covers it.
<bmk789_>_ah_i see_thanks
<LaserJock>_ScottK2: I believe_that is the_goal, no?
<pwnguin> recall that_scott's hatred for_lp_is more than just copyrights
<tonyyarusso> It's been stated as a goal, but I'm judging_things_on actions_rather_than_vague promises until I see_something hinting otherwise.
<ScottK2> LaserJock: It's_a stated_goal, but it's not an actuality.  There's_no_timeline and IMO_the developers are not at all community oriented, so_even if the code were freed_tomorrow it would_be_a_long time before much_changes.
<LaserJock> I believe most projects hosted_on LP are FLOSS
<ScottK2> True, but_beside the point.
<LaserJock> well, you said it_wasn't an actuality
<ScottK2> It's not a_FLOSS anything
<LaserJock> but I'm not_exactly seeing_how it's not
<ScottK2> It's proprietary.
<LaserJock>_it's for FLOSS_I wasn't_saying it *was*_FLOSS
<ScottK2> Ah.
<LaserJock> I agree with you_that it's not_FLOSS currently
<ScottK2> Well as I've said_before_I consider that_a_fatal_flaw.
<LaserJock> but_I see no_reason_to doubt_that_it won't one day be FLOSS
<ScottK2>_My_perspective on that has only hardened as_I've interacted with their_developers_and tried to help_make it better.
<ScottK2> I see_no reason to believe it will_be.
<LaserJock> in_general Mark's_been fairly trustworthy on these things
<LaserJock> most of the devs are_FLOSS guys
<ScottK2> They don't much act_like it IMO.
<LaserJock> part_of it_has_already been opened
<LaserJock>_though_it is_not much
<LaserJock> but they are
<ScottK2> I agree_that he_intends to open it, I just_don't think the necessary_preconditions_are achievable.
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