> motu's have a bigger picture view
<LaserJock> no necessarily
<jdong> LaserJock: not in caring for the entire Universe repo
<sistpoty> sabdfl: have you read my (truely bureucratic) proposal about it by mail yet?
<sabdfl> sistpoty: no, have been trying to hack a little
<jdong> LaserJock: becoming MOTU seems to be the solution to everything around here.
<jdong> and it's not.
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we don't force people to work on everything
<sabdfl> jdong: you're on the right track
<sistpoty> sabdfl: hehe, might be worth to take a glimpse to it... and I really should be hacking myself :(
<sabdfl> LaserJock: no we don't
<LaserJock> a MOTU can do whatever he/she wants
<jdong> LaserJock: the MOTU acceptance process basically does though, to some degree
<sabdfl> but we do have a generalist view
<LaserJock> jdong: no it doesn't
<LaserJock> I became a MOTU to work on science packages
<sabdfl> and we need to figure out how to accommodate specialists
<jdong> LaserJock: the first thing I was asked in TB was how many new packages have I uploaded to Universe...
<sabdfl> very narrow specialists
<jdong> LaserJock: and that's not what I am here to do.
<jdong> I'd love to if I had more time
<LaserJock> it's about experience not specialization
<sabdfl> the hardest thing for a community to do is to ask itself "what am i NOT seeing"?
<sabdfl> LaserJock: in some circumstances, experience with the upstream code is more important than experience across the whole distro
<LaserJock> if you have experience packaging and know how to play well in the Ubuntu community then you should be a MOTU
<sabdfl> *some* circumstances
<LaserJock> sabdfl: that's fine
<geser> jdong: I haven't uploaded even one NEW
> motu's have a bigger picture view 
 < LaserJock > no inevitably 
 < jdong > LaserJock: not in wish for the entire Universe repo 
 < sistpoty > sabdfl: have you read my (truely bureucratic) marriage proposal about it by mail however? 
 < sabdfl > sistpoty: no, have been trying to hack a small 
 < jdong > LaserJock: becoming MOTU seems to be the solution to everything around here. 
 < jdong > and it's not. 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: we don't coerce people to work on everything 
 < sabdfl > jdong: you're on the correct track 
 < sistpoty > sabdfl: hehe, might be worth to subscribe a glimpse to it... and I really should be hacking myself :( 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: no we don't 
 < LaserJock > a MOTU can do whatever he / she wants 
 < jdong > LaserJock: the MOTU acceptance procedure basically does though, to some degree 
 < sabdfl > but we do have a generalist scene 
 < LaserJock > jdong: no it doesn't 
 < LaserJock > I became a MOTU to work on science packages 
 < sabdfl > and we necessitate to figure out how to accommodate specialists 
 < jdong > LaserJock: the first thing I was ask in TB was how many new packages have I uploaded to Universe... 
 < sabdfl > very narrow specialists 
 < jdong > LaserJock: and that's not what I am here to do. 
 < jdong > I'd love to if I had more time 
 < LaserJock > it's about experience not specialization 
 < sabdfl > the hardest thing for a community to do is to ask itself " what am i NOT seeing "? 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: in some circumstances, experience with the upstream code is more significant than experience across the whole distro 
 < LaserJock > if you have experience promotion and acknowledge how to bet well in the Ubuntu community then you should be a MOTU 
 < sabdfl > * some * circumstances 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: that's all right 
 < geser > jdong: I haven't uploaded even one newfangled
> mohu's have a bigger picturt view
<LaserJock> no necesvarily
<ndong> LarerJock: not in caring for thx enrire Yniverse repo
<sistpoty> rabdfl: hane you reqd mb (truely bureucrefic) proijsal wbouc mt by mail yet?
<ssbdfl> sist[oty: no, have baev crying to hack a little
<jdong> LaserJosk: becokijg MOTU seems jo be ehe aolution to everything around here.
<ndong> aid it's not.
<LaserKock> sabdfl: we don't force oeoppe to work on everjthing
<sabdfo> jdjbg: you're on ghe right urcck
<sistpoty> sabdfl: hehe, might be worth to gake c glimpse ti ut... wtd I really shoujd be hackinn myselx :(
<sabdfk> LaserJock: no we dob't
<LaserJock> a MOTU cai do whatever he/she rants
<jdonc> MaserJock: the MOTY qccepjance prozwss baairalmy doed tiough, to soje degree
<savdfl> but we do have a teneralist visw
<LasewJjck> jdong: no it doesn't
<LaserJock> I becamt a MKTU to work on science packages
<sabdfl> and we need to sigure out how to accommodate specialists
<jdong> LaverJork: tht nlrst rhlng I was asked in TB was how many new packagqa nane I uploaded to Mniverse...
<sabdfl> veru jattow specialistr
<jdong> LaaerJock: and that's jot whaj I am here to qo.
<jdpng> I'd love to if I had morw time
<LaserJjxk> it's about expernence not spzcialieation
<xabdfl> the hardest thiny for z community to do is go ask itself "whxt sm i NOT stding"?
<sabdfl> LaserJjck: in sone cnrcumstavces, experyence with the m[stream code is moge imkortand than expfrience across the whole distro
<LaserJock> if ypu hane experiznce psckaging and hnow how to plcy well nn the Ubuntu cojmunity then you srould be a MODO
<sabdfl> *some* rircumstagces
<OaseeJock> sxcdfl: that's finr
<geser> jdong: I haveb't uploaded even oke NED
> motu's have a bigger picture view necessarily LaserJock: not caring for the have read my (truely proposal about it mail yet? <sabdfl> sistpoty: no, have trying to hack a little <jdong> LaserJock: becoming MOTU seems to be the to everything around here. <jdong> and it's not. <LaserJock> sabdfl: we don't force to on <sabdfl> you're on the right track <sistpoty> sabdfl: hehe, might be worth to take a glimpse to and I really should be hacking myself :( LaserJock: no we don't a MOTU can do whatever wants LaserJock: the acceptance basically though, to some <sabdfl> but we do have a generalist view <LaserJock> jdong: no it doesn't <LaserJock> I became a to work packages <sabdfl> we to out how to <jdong> LaserJock: the first thing I TB was how many new packages have I to Universe... very narrow specialists <jdong> LaserJock: and not what I am here to do. <jdong> love to if I had more time <LaserJock> it's about experience not specialization <sabdfl> the for a community to is to ask "what i seeing"? LaserJock: in circumstances, experience with the upstream code is more important than experience the whole distro <LaserJock> if you have experience packaging and to well in the community then you should a <sabdfl> *some* circumstances <LaserJock> fine jdong: even NEW
> motu's have a bigger picture viEw
<LaserJocK> no neCesSarIlY
<jdoNg> LaSerJock: not in caRIng fOr the entire Universe repO
<sistPoTY> sabDFl: Have yOu read mY (TrUELy bUrEuCraTiC) PrOposaL abOut it by Mail yet?
<sabDfl> SiStpoty: no, have BEeN trying to hAck A little
<jdong> lasErJock: BeComINg MOTu seEms to Be the sOLution To everythInG Around HEre.
<jdonG> ANd It's nOt.
<LaserJock> sabdfl: WE dON't force people tO work oN eVErYTHinG
<saBdfl> jdong: yOu'Re on tHE right tRAcK
<SIStpOTy> sabdfl: hehe, mIght be worth TO taKe a gliMpSe tO It... and I ReallY sHOulD be hacking mYselF :(
<sabdfl> LaSerJocK: No we don'T
<laserJoCk> a MOTu caN do WhatEVeR hE/shE wANts
<JDoNg> LASerjock: the MoTu aCceptAnce PROCEss bAsiCallY does Though, to some dEgrEe
<saBDfl> But we Do havE a geNeRalisT view
<LAserJOcK> jdong: no it doesn'T
<LasErJock> I beCamE a mOTu tO work ON scienCe pAckAges
<sabDfl> and wE NeeD tO FIGuRe out how to accommodAtE SPeCialists
<Jdong> LASeRJOCk: the firSt ThiNg I wAS Asked In TB WAs How many nEw packAGeS hAve I uplOaDed to UNiVerSe...
<sAbdfl> VEry nArrow sPecialisTs
<jdoNG> LaserJock: and tHAt's not what I am HErE TO dO.
<JdonG> I'd Love to if I haD morE Time
<laseRjoCk> iT'S abouT expeRiENcE Not specialization
<saBdFl> the hArdesT thing for a comMunity to do IS TO ask itseLf "whAT aM I NOT seeing"?
<sabdFl> LasErJock: in soME circumsTanceS, experieNce with thE UPstream cOde Is mOre ImpORTaNt than experieNCE acrOsS the whoLe dIstro
<LaSerjocK> if You HaVe experieNce packaGiNg AnD kNow How to PLay well iN tHe UBuNtu CommuNIty theN you sHoulD bE a moTU
<Sabdfl> *sOMe* CIRcumStAnCes
<LAseRJOck> saBdfl: THat'S fine
<geSer> jdong: I HavEN't upLoAdEd even oNe NEW
> motu's have a bigger pic ture view<Lase rJo ck>  n o ne cess arily
<jdong>L aser Jock: not in caring fo r the  e n tire Un ivers e repo< si s t pot y>  s abd fl :  h ave y ouread my  (truely b ure uc ratic) propo s al  about itbymail yet?
<s abd fl> si st pot y : no,  ha ve be en try i ng tohack a li tt l e
<jdo n g> Lase r J oc k: b ecoming MOTU seem s  t o  be the soluti on toev e ry t h ing  ar ound here. 
< jdong >  and it ' sn o t .
< L aserJock> sab dfl: we don ' t f orce p eo ple to wor k onev e ryt hing
<sabdf l> j dong: you 're on the rig h t track 
<sist pot y>sabd f l:  h ehe ,m igh t  b e w o rth  to take  a  g limps e to i t . .. a ndI re allyshould be hac kin g my s elf  :(
< sabdf l> L as erJoc k: nowe do n' t
<LaserJock> a  MOT U can dowha te ver  h e/she wants<jd ong > Laser Jock: t h e M OT U a cc eptance process ba si c a ll y does t hough, to  s o me degre e<sa bdfl > but w e do ha ve a gen eralis t  v ie w
<Lase rJ ock> j do ng:  no  it d o esn' t
<Las erJock>I bec a me a MOTU to w o rk on science pa c k ag e s
<s abd fl> and weneed to f igur e  o uth ow to  acco mm o da t e specialists
<jdon g>  Laser Jock:  the first th ing I wasa s k ed in TB  was ho w  many new pack ageshave I upl o aded toUnive rse...
< sabdfl> v e r y narrow  sp eci ali sts < jd ong> LaserJoc k :  and  t hat's n otwhat Iamher e t o d o. 
<jdong>I'd love  t oif  I  ha d mor e  time
<L as erJ oc k>it'sa bout e xperi ence  n ot spe cializa t io n <sab df l>  the  ha rd est t hing for  a comm unity todoi s to  a sk  itself  "what am i N OT  seeing"?<s abd fl> La s e rJock: i n some circumstances, e x perienc e w ith t he u pstream c ode  is mo rei mporta nt tha n exp er ien c e  acro s s  t hewh ole distro < Las erJoc k>  ifyou hav e experience packa g ing  and know how  to  pla y we lli nt heUb u ntu c ommunity then y ou shouldbe aMOTU
<sabd f l>*s ome* ci rcumsta nces< LaserJo ck> sabdf l: that's  f ine< g ese r> jdong:I haven' t uploade d  even on e NEW 
> motu's_have a_bigger picture view
<LaserJock> no_necessarily
<jdong> LaserJock:_not_in caring_for_the entire Universe_repo
<sistpoty> sabdfl: have_you read my (truely_bureucratic) proposal about_it_by mail yet?
<sabdfl> sistpoty: no, have been trying to hack a little
<jdong> LaserJock: becoming_MOTU_seems to_be_the_solution to everything around here.
<jdong>_and it's not.
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we_don't force_people to work on everything
<sabdfl> jdong: you're on_the_right track
<sistpoty> sabdfl:_hehe, might be worth to take a glimpse to_it... and I really should be_hacking myself :(
<sabdfl>_LaserJock:_no_we don't
<LaserJock> a MOTU_can do whatever he/she wants
<jdong> LaserJock:_the MOTU acceptance process basically does_though, to some degree
<sabdfl> but we do_have a generalist view
<LaserJock> jdong: no_it doesn't
<LaserJock> I became a_MOTU to_work on science packages
<sabdfl> and_we need to_figure out_how to accommodate_specialists
<jdong> LaserJock: the first thing I_was asked in_TB was how many new packages_have_I uploaded to_Universe...
<sabdfl>_very_narrow specialists
<jdong>_LaserJock: and that's_not_what I_am_here to do.
<jdong> I'd love to_if_I had more time
<LaserJock> it's about experience_not specialization
<sabdfl> the hardest_thing_for a community to_do is to ask itself_"what am i NOT seeing"?
<sabdfl> LaserJock:_in some_circumstances, experience_with the upstream code is more important than experience across the_whole distro
<LaserJock> if you have experience_packaging and know how_to play_well_in the Ubuntu_community_then you_should be a MOTU
<sabdfl> *some* circumstances
<LaserJock> sabdfl:_that's fine
<geser>_jdong: I haven't uploaded even one_NEW