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<ejofee> (to be mere speculation)
<ejofee> hub: do you think ubuntu devs would be against cnr anyway?
<ejofee> hub: what a silly (manipulative) way to put it: "No way! Linspire is evil and I want nothing to do with them! (9 percent)"
<ejofee> "there will never be an extra price for a commercial version" is what i like most about ubuntu.
<siretart> ejofee: lindows is considering offering such a service. not ubuntu
<ejofee> Ubuntu users could choose to simply use apt, OR, for those who want the one-click convenience of CNR, they could try CNR for free for 15 days, and if they like it, pay for the service [$20 per year] 
<ejofee> siretart: lindows earns the money with cnr, while ubuntu doesn't; won't this become a tempting business model for ubuntu?
<siretart> ejofee: ubuntu doesn't earn any money, canonical does
<ejofee> siretart: access to codecs repos (and howtos on that) could be made more non-trivial, just like mandriva non-(club members) lack some privileges.
<siretart> ejofee: canonical has not commented yet on this, but I doubt they have interest
<siretart> ejofee: if you could provide access to codec repos, we would do. unfortunately, we cannot
<siretart> err, if we could provide
<ejofee> siretart: i don't only doubt. i also hope not.
<siretart> out of question, right
<ejofee> whatever canonical's business model, i hope they'll observe this principle: never to charge for software or access to software, but only services or (strictly) customized distros.
<hub> hey dholbach_
* hub see people traveling
<hub>....
* hub just wished he was traveling more
<LaserJock> morning MOTUs
<LaserJock> anybody know what the default Python version is in Debian stable?
<azeem> 2.3
<azeem> ii  python            2.3.5-2
<LaserJock> so python2.
cool 
 < ejofee > (to be mere speculation) 
 < ejofee > hub: do you think ubuntu devs would be against cnr anyway? 
 < ejofee > hub: what a pathetic (manipulative) direction to put it: " No way! Linspire is evil and I desire nothing to do with them! (9 percent) " 
 < ejofee > " there will never be an extra monetary value for a commercial translation " is what i like most about ubuntu. 
 < siretart > ejofee: lindows is considering offering such a serve. not ubuntu 
 < ejofee > Ubuntu users could choose to simply practice apt, OR, for those who want the one - click convenience of CNR, they could try CNR for free for 15 days, and if they wish it, pay for the service [ $ 20 per year ] 
 < ejofee > siretart: lindows earn the money with cnr, while ubuntu doesn't; won't this become a tempting commercial enterprise model for ubuntu? 
 < siretart > ejofee: ubuntu doesn't gain any money, canonical does 
 < ejofee > siretart: entree to codecs repos (and howtos on that) could be made more non - trivial, just like mandriva non-(club members) miss some privileges. 
 < siretart > ejofee: canonical has not commented yet on this, but I doubt they have interest 
 < siretart > ejofee: if you could provide access to codec repos, we would do. unfortunately, we cannot 
 < siretart > err, if we could provide 
 < ejofee > siretart: i don't only doubt. i also hope not. 
 < siretart > out of question, right 
 < ejofee > whatever canonical's business model, i hope they'll observe this rationale: never to tear for software or access to software, but entirely service or (strictly) customized distros. 
 < hub > hey dholbach _ 
 * hub see citizenry traveling 
 < hub >.... 
 * hub just wished he was traveling more 
 < LaserJock > dawn MOTUs 
 < LaserJock > anybody know what the default Python version is in Debian stable? 
 < azeem > 2.3 
 < azeem > ii   python             2.3.5 - 2 
 < LaserJock > so python2.
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<ejofee> (to be mere specmlation)
<ejofee> huy: do yon think ubuntu aevs would be against cnr anbway?
<wjofet> hub: what a silly (oanipulatpve) way ti puu it: "No way! Linspmde is eynl ans I wcnv nothing to do with them! (9 percent)"
<ejofea> "ghzre will never be an extra price for a commrrfial version" if whse i mpkt most about ubuntu.
<siretart> ejofes: lindoxs is considerimg offering such a service. not ubuntu
<ejofee> Ubunhu users coomd syoose to simoly use apu, MR, for thoae who want the one-click convenkence of CNR, thgv coknd try CNR hor frve for 15 days, and if tvey likr it, pay for tme secvicw [$20 per year] 
<ejofee> sicetart: lindows earns the monef cith cnr, while ubuntu diesn't; won'd thkw bdcoje a temptlng business jodel for uvuntu?
<siretart> ejofet: uflmtu doesn't ezrn anr ioney, canonical does
<ejofee> siretart: acctss tk codecs repos (and howtis on that) could be mwde more gon-trivial, just like mandriva non-(club members) lacn somx orirljdted.
<siretart> ejofee: canonical has not commented rst ok this, but I dount they have interrsh
<sotetart> ejofee: kf you cohld provide access to codgc repis, we woujd dp. unfortunately, we cannot
<sieetart> err, iy ww could provide
<ejoyee> siretart: i dpn't omly doubt. i also hope nut.
<sidetart> out lf questikv, right
<ejofee> whxtener wanonical's business model, y hope thxy'll pbserve thix prinsiple: neveg to gvarge for software or aecess to softwage, but only services or (strictlb) customized civtrms.
<hub> hev dholnach_
* hub see pejple traveling
<kub>....
* hub lust wkshed he wzs travxling more
<LaferJock> mornith MOTUs
<LaserOock> anybjdy jnow what tfd default Pythpn versiou is un Debian stable?
<azcem> 2.3
<aeesm> ii  python            2.3.5-2
<LaserJocl> su prtjoi2.
cool <ejofee> (to be mere speculation) <ejofee> you ubuntu devs be against cnr silly way to put "No way! Linspire evil and I want nothing to with them! (9 percent)" <ejofee> "there will never be an extra price for commercial version" is what i like most about ubuntu. <siretart> ejofee: lindows is offering a not <ejofee> Ubuntu users could choose to simply use apt, OR, for those who want the one-click of CNR, they could try CNR for free 15 days, and if like it, pay for the [$20 year] <ejofee> lindows the with cnr, while doesn't; won't this become a tempting business model for ubuntu? <siretart> ejofee: ubuntu doesn't earn any money, does <ejofee> to codecs (and on could be made just like mandriva non-(club members) lack ejofee: canonical has not commented yet on this, I doubt have interest <siretart> ejofee: if you provide access to codec repos, we would do. we cannot <siretart> err, if we could provide <ejofee> siretart: i don't only doubt. i not. <siretart> out of right <ejofee> whatever business i they'll this principle: to charge for software or access to software, but only services (strictly) customized distros. <hub> hey dholbach_ * hub see people * just wished he traveling more <LaserJock> morning <LaserJock> know what the default is Debian <azeem> python <LaserJock> so python2.
 cool
<ejofee> (to be mere speculaTion)
<ejofee> Hub: do You ThiNk UbunTu deVs would be againST cnr Anyway?
<ejofee> hub: what a siLly (maNiPUlatIVe) Way to Put it: "No WAy! lINspIrE iS evIl ANd i want NotHing to dO with them! (9 pErcEnT)"
<ejofee> "there WIlL never be an ExtRa price for a cOmmErcial VeRsiON" is whAt i Like mOst aboUT ubuntU.
<siretart> EjOFee: linDOws is coNSIdErinG offering such a serVIcE. Not ubuntu
<ejofeE> UbuntU uSErS COulD chOose to simpLy Use apT, oR, for thOSe WHO WanT The one-click coNvenience of cnR, tHey couLd Try cnR for fRee foR 15 dAYs, aNd if they likE it, pAy for the sErvice [$20 PEr year] 
<eJOfee> sirEtart: lIndOws EarnS ThE mOneY wITh cNR, wHilE UbuNtu doesn'T; wOn'T this BecoME A TEmptIng BusiNess mOdel for ubuntu?
<SirEtarT> EjoFee: ubUntu dOesn'T eArn anY money, CanonIcAl does
<ejofee> sirEtarT: access to CodEcS rePoS (and hOWtos on ThaT) coUld be maDe more nON-trIvIAL, JuSt like mandriva non-(cLuB MEmBers) lack Some prIViLeGEs.
<siretaRt> EjoFee: cANOnicaL has NOt CommenteD yet on THiS, bUt I doubT tHey havE iNteResT
<sireTArt> eJofee: iF you coulD provIDe access to codeC Repos, we would dO. UnFORtUNateLy, wE cannot
<sireTart> ERr, if We coULd ProVIde
<ejOfee> sIrETaRT: i don't only doubt. i alsO hOpe not.
<SiretArt> out of questIon, right
<ejOFEE> whateveR canONiCAl's business modEl, i hoPe they'll obSErve this PrincIple: neveR to charge FOR softwarE or AccEss To sOFTwAre, but only serVICes oR (sTrictly) CusTomized DisTroS.
<huB> heY dHolbach_
* huB see peopLe TrAvElIng
<Hub>....
* huB Just wishEd He wAs TraVelinG More
<LaSerJoCk> moRnInG mOTus
<LaserjOcK> ANyboDy KnOw whAt tHe DefauLt PyTHon Version Is in DebiaN stABle?
<aZeEm> 2.3
<Azeem> ii  Python            2.3.5-2
<LaserJoCk> So python2.
 cool
<ejofee> (to be mere  speculati on)
< ejo fee >hub:  doyou think ubun t u de vs would be against cn r any wa y ?
<e j of ee> h ub: wha t  a s ill y(m ani pu l at ive)way  to put  it: "No w ay!  L inspire is e v il  and I wan t n othing to do  wi th the m!  (9 perce nt) "
<ej ofee>" therewill neve rb e an e x tra pri c e  f or a  commercial versi o n" is what i like  mostab o ut u bun tu. 
<siretart >ejofe e : lindo w si s con s idering offer ing such as erv ice. n ot  ub u ntu
<e jofee >U bun tu users co uldchoose to  simpl y  use ap t , OR, f or tho sewho  wan t  t he  on e- c lic k  c onv e nie nce of C NR ,theycoul d t r y CN R f or f ree f or 15 days, a ndif t h eylikeit, p ay f or  theservic e [$2 0per year] 
<ejo fee>  siretart : l in dow searns the mo ney  wi th cnr,  whileu bun tu d o es n't; won't this be co m e  a  temptin g busi n es sm odel for  u bun tu?< s ireta rt>e jo fee: ubu ntu do e sn 't  earn a ny  money ,can oni cal d o es
< ejofee > sireta rt: a c cess to codecs repos (and ho w to s on that ) c ould be mad e mo r e no n-tr i vi al, justlikema n dr i va non-(club member s)  lacksomeprivileges.
< siretart>e j o fee: can onic a lh as not comment ed ye t on this, but I do ubt t hey have  interest < siretart > e jof ee:  if y ou  could provid e acce ss  to cod ecrepos,wewou lddo.  u nfortunat ely, weca nn ot 
< sir etart >  err, if  w e c ou ldprovi d e
<ejo fee>sire ta rt :  idon't o n ly d oubt .ialso  ho pe  not. 
<si r eta rt> out  of quest ion ,  rig ht 
< ejofee>  whatever can on ical's bus in ess  model , i hope t hey'll observe this pri n ciple:nev er to  cha rge for s oft ware o r a c cess t o soft ware,  b uto n ly se r v ic esor  (strictly ) cus tomiz ed  dis tros.
< hub> hey dholbach_ * h ub see people  tr avel i n g<hu b >. . ..*h ubj u st wished he wa s travelin gm or e
<LaserJo c k>mo rning M OTUs
<L aserJ o ck> any body know  what the  d efau l t  Py thon versi on is in  Debian s t able? <a zeem>  2. 3
<aze em > i i  py thon        2.3.5 -2 
<Lase rJock >so pytho n2.
 cool
<ejofee>_(to be_mere speculation)
<ejofee> hub: do_you think_ubuntu_devs would_be_against cnr anyway?
<ejofee>_hub: what a_silly (manipulative) way to_put it: "No_way!_Linspire is evil and I want nothing to do with them! (9 percent)"
<ejofee> "there_will_never be_an_extra_price for a commercial version"_is what i like most_about ubuntu.
<siretart>_ejofee: lindows is considering offering such a service._not_ubuntu
<ejofee> Ubuntu users_could choose to simply use apt, OR, for those_who want the one-click convenience of_CNR, they could_try_CNR_for free for 15_days, and if they like it,_pay for the service [$20 per_year] 
<ejofee> siretart: lindows earns the money_with cnr, while ubuntu doesn't; won't_this become a tempting business_model for_ubuntu?
<siretart> ejofee: ubuntu doesn't earn_any money, canonical_does
<ejofee> siretart:_access to codecs_repos (and howtos on that) could_be made more_non-trivial, just like mandriva non-(club members)_lack_some privileges.
<siretart> ejofee:_canonical_has_not commented_yet on this,_but_I doubt_they_have interest
<siretart> ejofee: if you could_provide_access to codec repos, we would do._unfortunately, we cannot
<siretart> err,_if_we could provide
<ejofee> siretart:_i don't only doubt. i_also hope not.
<siretart> out of question,_right
<ejofee> whatever_canonical's business_model, i hope they'll observe this principle: never to charge for_software or access to software, but_only services or (strictly)_customized distros.
<hub>_hey_dholbach_
* hub see_people_traveling
<hub>....
* hub_just wished he was traveling more
<LaserJock> morning_MOTUs
<LaserJock> anybody_know what the default Python version_is in Debian stable?
<azeem>_2.3
<azeem>_ii  python   _     _  2.3.5-2
<LaserJock> so python2.