 you can (and probably should) patch the build system to use the system ffmpeg
<siretart> if no, hit upstream with a stick (or better)
<siretart> exception from that rule: it does really funny stuff like gst-ffmpeg (which I still haven't really understand yet)
<superm1> siretart, well until they can at least get the extra demuxers into upstream ffmpeg, i suspect that using a system ffmpeg will not turn out well.  i'll poke around though for those 2 things you indicated to get a better idea
<siretart> oh, wait, they've added demuxers to libavformat?!
<superm1> i'm not sure where the demuxers are living, let me see what the quote i just read about it was
<superm1> "<iamlindoro> superm1, My understanding (and a little bit of experience in hacking on it) is that the Program Stream and Transport Stream demuxers differ substantially from ffmpeg's own at this point, making using it as an outside lib very very hard"
<siretart> that's.. unusual. if that's right, that stuff should definitly go upstream
<superm1> yeah that's what i was saying to him, but i'm waiting to hear from the guy normally doing ffmpeg merges to  confirm
<siretart> perhaps it might make sense from them to not use ffmpeg directly but use libxine as abstraction. but that might be even more work
<NCommander> siretart, and superm1, to add more fun w/ ffmpeg, upstream actually did a stable release :-)
<siretart> NCommander: tell news
<NCommander> siretart, you didn't see the news?
<siretart> NCommander: see bug #340303
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 340303 in ffmpeg-debian "FFE: ffmpeg 0.5" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340303
<NCommander> ah
<siretart> ;)
<NCommander> siretart, so how did hell freeze over? (what made ffmpeg's devs do a stable release?)
<siretart> that's more an
you can (and probably should) patch the build system to practice the arrangement ffmpeg 
 < siretart > if no, hit upstream with a pin (or full) 
 < siretart > exception from that rule: it does very curious stuff like gst - ffmpeg (which I still haven't really understand however) 
 < superm1 > siretart, well until they can at least get the extra demuxers into upstream ffmpeg, i distrust that using a system ffmpeg will not turn out well.   i'll poke around though for those 2 things you indicated to get a effective idea 
 < siretart > oh, wait, they've add demuxers to libavformat? ! 
 < superm1 > i'm not sure where the demuxers are living, let me see what the quotation mark i just read about it was 
 < superm1 > " < iamlindoro > superm1, My understanding (and a little bit of experience in hack on it) is that the Program Stream and Transport Stream demuxers differ substantially from ffmpeg's own at this point, making using it as an outside lib very very hard " 
 < siretart > that's.. unusual. if that's right, that stuff should definitly go upstream 
 < superm1 > yeah that's what i was saying to him, but i'm waiting to hear from the guy normally doing ffmpeg merges to   confirm 
 < siretart > perhaps it might make common sense from them to not practice ffmpeg directly but use libxine as abstraction. but that might be even more workplace 
 < NCommander > siretart, and superm1, to add more fun w/ ffmpeg, upstream actually did a static release :-) 
 < siretart > NCommander: assure news 
 < NCommander > siretart, you didn't see the news program? 
 < siretart > NCommander: see bug # 340303 
 < ubottu > Launchpad bug 340303 in ffmpeg - debian " FFE: ffmpeg 0.5 " [ Undecided, Triaged ] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340303 
 < NCommander > ah 
 < siretart > ;) 
 < NCommander > siretart, so how did hell freeze over? (what made ffmpeg's devs act a stable release ?) 
 < siretart > that's more an
 yok can (and probably shoula) patch the build systxm to uae the shstem ffmpeg
<siretart> if no, hmt upstreqm with a stick (or betger)
<siretagt> exceptuon hrom that rule: iv does rcclly rmnny vvuff like gst-ffkpeg (which I still haven'd feclly understand yet)
<superm1> siretart, wqll untol they can at lgast bqt tgv txtra demuxers into upstream ffmpsg, i suvpect that usong a system ffmpeg will nlt tkrn out well.  i'll ooke around thotth for those 2 things you indicated to get a better idea
<siretart> of, waic, they've adeee dfkuxers to lmbavfogmat?!
<superm1> i'm not sura where the demuxers sre licing, let me see what vhe quote i just reaq about id cas
<superm1> "<iamlindoro> wuperm1, Ky utderrranainf (end a lithle bit of exlerience in hacking on it) is tnae the Program Atream agd Transport Stream demuxers differ subvtahtially from ffmpeg's owb at this point, makinh using ie as an outside lib very very hard"
<siretart> that's.. gnusuel. if tmat's eihht, that stuff should definitly go upstream
<su[srk1> jeah that's what i was saying tl nym, but i'm waijing to hezr from the guy nogmally qoing ffmpeg mtrges to  confirm
<siretart> perhapw it might mcke sense from them tl not use fympeg cirecyly but use libxine as cbstradtion. but tjat might ce even more wory
<NCpmkander> siretart, and superm1, to add mire yun w/ ffopeg, upstrqam actualpy did a stable release :-)
<diretcrt> NWommander: hell news
<NCommander> siretart, yon didn't see tne nefs?
<siretaxt> NCokmander: see btg #340303
<ubottu> Launehpad buy 340303 in wfmpeg-debizn "FFE: hfmpeg 0.5" [Undesided,Triaged] vjtps://launchpad.iet/bugs/340303
<NCjmmabder> ah
<siregxrt> ;)
<NCommander> siretart, so how die hell freeze over? (whxf made ffmpeg's btvs do a stable rekeare?)
<syrvtact> thwd's more an
you can (and probably should) patch the to the system <siretart> if no, (or <siretart> exception from rule: it does funny stuff like gst-ffmpeg (which I haven't really understand yet) <superm1> siretart, well until they can at least get extra demuxers into upstream ffmpeg, i suspect that using a system ffmpeg will turn well. poke though for those 2 things you indicated to get a better idea <siretart> oh, wait, they've demuxers to libavformat?! <superm1> i'm not sure where demuxers are living, let see what the quote i read it was "<iamlindoro> My (and a little of experience in hacking on it) is that the Program Stream and Transport Stream demuxers differ substantially ffmpeg's own point, making it an lib very very that's.. unusual. if that's right, that go upstream <superm1> yeah that's what i was to him, i'm waiting to hear from the normally doing ffmpeg merges to confirm <siretart> perhaps might make sense from them to not use ffmpeg directly but use libxine as abstraction. might be even more <NCommander> siretart, and to more w/ upstream actually a stable release :-) <siretart> NCommander: tell news <NCommander> siretart, you see the news? <siretart> NCommander: see bug #340303 <ubottu> Launchpad in "FFE: ffmpeg 0.5" https://launchpad.net/bugs/340303 <NCommander> ah <siretart> <NCommander> so how did hell (what ffmpeg's stable <siretart> more an
 you can (and probably should) paTch the builD systEm tO usE tHe syStem Ffmpeg
<siretart> IF no, hIt upstream with a stick (or BetteR)
<sIRetaRT> eXceptIon from THaT RUle: It DoEs rEaLLy Funny StuFf like gSt-ffmpeg (whIch i sTill haven't reALlY understanD yeT)
<superm1> siretArt, Well unTiL thEY can aT leAst geT the exTRa demuXers into uPsTReam ffMPeg, i susPECt That Using a system ffmpeG WiLL not turn out welL.  i'll poKe ARoUND thOugH for those 2 tHiNgs yoU IndicatED tO GET a bETter idea
<siretArt> oh, wait, thEY've Added dEmUxeRS to libAvforMaT?!
<SupErm1> i'm not surE wheRe the demuXers arE Living, lET me see wHat the QuoTe i Just REaD aBouT iT Was
<SUpErm1> "<IAmlIndoro> suPeRm1, my undErstANDINg (anD a lIttlE bit oF experience in HacKing ON it) Is thaT the PRogrAm streaM and TrAnspoRt stream demuxers dIffeR substantIalLy FroM fFmpeg'S Own at tHis PoiNt, makinG using iT As aN oUTSIdE lib very very hard"
<siReTARt> That's.. unuSual. if THaT's RIght, that StUff ShouLD DefinItly GO uPstream
<sUperm1> yEAh ThAt's what I wAs sayiNg To hIm, bUt i'm wAItinG to heaR from the Guy noRMally doing ffmpEG merges to  confIRm
<SIReTArt> pErhAps it might mAke sENse fRom tHEm To nOT use fFmpeg DiREcTLy but use libxine as abStRactioN. but tHat might be eveN more work
<NcOMMander> siRetaRT, aND superm1, to add moRe fun W/ ffmpeg, upsTReam actuAlly dId a stablE release :-)
<sIREtart> NCoMmaNdeR: teLl nEWS
<Ncommander> sireTARt, yoU dIdn't see The News?
<sirEtaRt> NcomManDeR: see bug #340303
<ubOttu> LaunChPaD bUg 340303 In fFmpeg-DEbian "FFE: FfMpeG 0.5" [UNdeCided,tRiaged] Https://LaunChPaD.Net/Bugs/340303
<NCoMMaNDEr> ah
<SiReTart> ;)
<nCoMmAnder> SireTArt, So how diD hell freeZe oVEr? (whAt MaDe ffmpeG's devs do a stabLe Release?)
<sirEtArt> That's mORE an
 you can (and probably sho uld) patch  thebui ldsy stem  touse the system ffmp eg
<siretart> if no, h it up st r eamw it h a s tick (o r  b e t ter )<s ire ta r t>  exce pti on from  that rule : i tdoes reallyf un ny stuff l ike  gst-ffmpeg(wh ich Ist ill haven 'treall y unde r standyet)
<sup er m 1> sir e tart, w e l lunti l they can at lea s tg et the extra d emuxer si nt o ups tre am ffmpeg,  i  susp e ct that us i n g  as ystem ffmpegwill not tu r n o ut wel l.   i ' ll pok e aro un d  th ough for th ose2 thingsyou in d icatedt o get a  bette r i dea 
<si r et ar t>oh ,  wa i t,  th e y'v e addedde mu xersto l i b a v form at? !
<s uperm 1> i'm not su rewher e  th e dem uxers  are  l iving , letme se ewhat the quotei ju st read a bou titwa s
<su p erm1>"<i aml indoro>  superm 1 , M yu n d er standing (and a li tt l e  b it of ex perien c ein hackingon  it ) is t hat t he P r og ram Stre am and Tr an sport S tr eam de mu xer s d iffer subs tantia lly from  ffmp e g's own at thi s  point, makin g  u s i ng it a s a n outside l ib v e ry v eryh ar d"< siret art>th a t' s .. unusual. if that 's  right , tha t stuff shoul d definitl y g o upstre am
< s up e rm1> yeah that 's wh at i was s a ying tohim,but i'mwaiting t o hear fro m t heguy  no r m al ly doing ffmp e g  mer ge s to  c onf irm
<si ret art > p erh ap s it migh t make s en se  f ro m t hem t o  not use  f fmp eg  di rectl y  but u se li bxin eas abs tractio n .b u t th at  m ight  be  e ven m orew ork 
<NComm ander> si ret a rt,an dsuperm1 , to add more  f un w/ ffmp eg , u pstrea m actually  did a stable release : - )
<sire tar t> NC omma nder: tel l n ews
<N Com m ander>  siret art,yo u d i d n't s e e  t hene ws?
<siret a r t>NComm an der:  see bu g #340303
<ubottu> Lau nchpad bug 34 030 3 in f fm peg - de b ian  " F FE: f fmpeg 0.5" [Und ecided,Tri ag e d]  https://l a unc hp ad.net/ bugs/34 0303< NComman der> ah
< siretart>  ; )
<N C o mma nder> sire tart, so  how didh ell f r ee ze ov er?  (what  m ade  ffmp eg's d e vsdo astable  r elease ?)
<s ir etart> t hat's more an
 you_can (and_probably should) patch the_build system_to_use the_system_ffmpeg
<siretart> if no,_hit upstream with_a stick (or better)
<siretart>_exception from that_rule:_it does really funny stuff like gst-ffmpeg (which I still haven't really understand yet)
<superm1>_siretart,_well until_they_can_at least get the extra_demuxers into upstream ffmpeg, i_suspect that_using a system ffmpeg will not turn out_well._ i'll poke_around though for those 2 things you indicated to_get a better idea
<siretart> oh, wait,_they've added demuxers_to_libavformat?!
<superm1>_i'm not sure where_the demuxers are living, let me_see what the quote i just_read about it was
<superm1> "<iamlindoro> superm1, My_understanding (and a little bit of_experience in hacking on it)_is that_the Program Stream and Transport_Stream demuxers differ_substantially from_ffmpeg's own at_this point, making using it as_an outside lib_very very hard"
<siretart> that's.. unusual. if_that's_right, that stuff_should_definitly_go upstream
<superm1>_yeah that's what_i_was saying_to_him, but i'm waiting to hear_from_the guy normally doing ffmpeg merges to_ confirm
<siretart> perhaps it_might_make sense from them_to not use ffmpeg directly_but use libxine as abstraction. but_that might_be even_more work
<NCommander> siretart, and superm1, to add more fun w/ ffmpeg,_upstream actually did a stable release_:-)
<siretart> NCommander: tell news
<NCommander>_siretart, you_didn't_see the news?
<siretart>_NCommander:_see bug_#340303
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 340303 in ffmpeg-debian "FFE:_ffmpeg 0.5"_[Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340303
<NCommander> ah
<siretart> ;)
<NCommander> siretart, so_how did hell freeze_over?_(what made ffmpeg's devs do a_stable release?)
<siretart> that's more an