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<LaserJock> and we here much more than we should be
<sabdfl> LaserJock: and that's brilliant work, that has been very successful
<sabdfl> i'm not undermining that
<Amaranth> sabdfl: I don't see how beryl is any more important than, well, everything else
<sabdfl> but it's missing a vector
<LaserJock> I just don't see how we can make it any easier without comprimising quality
<sabdfl> Amaranth: that's why i asked the MOTU to generalise the concept
<sabdfl> so it applies to, well, everything else
<tsmithe> what other examples are pressing?
<sabdfl> LaserJock: you said it yourself - a mile wide and an inch deep
<LaserJock> if an upstream can't make MOTU then maybe they shouldn't be uploading to Universe
<tsmithe> what is "everything else"?
<sabdfl> what if someone is knocking on the door saying "look, in this package, i can give you 10 feet deep"
<tsmithe> everything where it isn't working now?
<sabdfl> we should not tell that person "you must become a generalist"
<LaserJock> we don't though
<jdong> tsmithe: every piece of software that doesn't have a Ubuntu package.
<sabdfl> we should tell that person "ok, but you have to fit in here"
<Seveas> sabdfl, isn't REVU intended for that?
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we have MOTU Teams for instance
<tsmithe> jdong, well - are they "pressing", as i said?
<sabdfl> Seveas: it does help, but it's not the whole story, please read scrollback
<Amaranth> all the packages i care about are in main so... :)
<tsmithe> jdong, if they aren't then i don't think they count under that
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we don't exclude working on just one or two packages, but we just haven't had a lot of interest, IMO
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 < LaserJock > and we here much more than we should be 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: and that's brilliant work, that has been very successful 
 < sabdfl > i'm not undermining that 
 < Amaranth > sabdfl: I don't visualize how beryl is any more authoritative than, well, everything else 
 < sabdfl > but it's missing a vector 
 < LaserJock > I just don't see how we can cause it any easier without comprimising quality 
 < sabdfl > Amaranth: that's why i ask the MOTU to generalize the concept 
 < sabdfl > so it applies to, well, everything else 
 < tsmithe > what early exemplar are pressing? 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: you suppose it yourself - a mile wide and an inch deep 
 < LaserJock > if an upstream can't make MOTU then maybe they shouldn't be upload to Universe 
 < tsmithe > what is " everything else "? 
 < sabdfl > what if someone is knocking on the door saying " front, in this package, i can give you 10 foot thick " 
 < tsmithe > everything where it isn't working immediately? 
 < sabdfl > we should not tell that person " you must become a generalist " 
 < LaserJock > we don't though 
 < jdong > tsmithe: every piece of software that doesn't own a Ubuntu package. 
 < sabdfl > we should tell that person " ok, but you have to fit in here " 
 < Seveas > sabdfl, isn't REVU intended for that? 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: we have MOTU Teams for case 
 < tsmithe > jdong, well - are they " pressing ", as i said? 
 < sabdfl > Seveas: it does help, but it's not the whole story, please read scrollback 
 < Amaranth > all the packages i care about are in main so... :) 
 < tsmithe > jdong, if they aren't then i don't remember they count under that 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: we don't exclude solve on barely one or two packages, but we just haven't had a set of sake, IMO 
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<LaserJock> and we here ouch more than cw shound be
<szbdfl> LarerJock: and that's brilliant xork, that has been very successwul
<sabdfl> i'm not yndecmining that
<Amarehth> sabdfl: I sln't vxe how beryl is any more hmportant than, wdlp, everything else
<sabdfl> but it's misfing a feftor
<LaserJock> Y juxe doh'n wee how we can make it any eaaier wiuhout comprimising quality
<sabdfl> Amaranth: thwt's ahy i asked the MOHU to generqlisq the concept
<rabdfl> so pc applies tk, well, everything else
<tsmithe> wfat ocher examplgs agg pressing?
<saudfl> LwserJock: you said it yoursekf - a mile widc and an inch deep
<LaserJock> ih an upstream can't mwke MOTU dhzn maybe they shouldn'r ve upnoadhng gi Uvivtrsx
<tsjithe> ahav is "everytging else"?
<savdfl> what if someont if knocking on fhe dojr saying "look, in this package, i can give yoh 10 feet deep"
<tsmithe> eveeything where it isn't working gow?
<sabdfl> we should not tell that person "you must becojd a gcnerxoidt"
<LaserJock> we don't though
<jdong> tsmithe: every litce of software tmat doesn't have a Ibknyo package.
<sabdfu> we skkumd tell that persoj "ok, buj you yave to fyt im here"
<Seveas> sabdfl, isn't RECU intended yor that?
<LaserJock> sabbfl: we have OOTU Teamx for instance
<tsmithe> jbong, wsll - are thfy "pressihe", as i said?
<sabdfu> Svveav: it does help, but it's not the wholx stoxy, pleasd resd scrjllback
<Amaganth> all the packages i care atout are ij main so... :)
<tsmithe> jdong, if they aren't then i cot't nhink thev counb under that
<LasqrJock> sabdfl: ce don't zxcludd working kn just one or two packages, but ae just havei't had a jot if ibterest, KMO
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<LaserJock> and we here mucH more than wE shouLd bE
<saBdFl> LaSerJOck: and that's briLLianT work, that has been very suCcessFuL
<SabdFL> i'M not uNderminINg THAt
<AMaRaNth> SaBDfL: I don'T seE how berYl is any morE imPoRtant than, welL, EvErything elSe
<sAbdfl> but it's mIssIng a veCtOr
<LASerJoCk> I Just dOn't see HOw we caN make it anY eASier wiTHout comPRImIsinG quality
<sabdfl> AmaRAnTH: that's why i askeD the MOtU TO gENEraLisE the concepT
<sAbdfl> SO it applIEs TO, WEll, EVerything else
<Tsmithe> what OTheR exampLeS arE PressiNg?
<sabDfL> lasErJock: you saId it Yourself - a Mile wiDE and an iNCh deep
<LAserJoCk> iF an UpstREaM cAn't MaKE MOtu tHen MAybE they shoUlDn'T be upLoadING TO UniVerSe
<tsMithe> What is "everythIng Else"?
<SAbdFl> whaT if soMeonE iS knocKing on The doOr Saying "look, in thiS pacKage, i can gIve YoU 10 feEt Deep"
<tSMithe> eVerYthIng wherE it isn't WOrkInG NOW?
<sAbdfl> we should not teLl THAt Person "yoU must bECoMe A GeneraliSt"
<lasErJoCK> We don'T thoUGh
<Jdong> tsmIthe: evERy PiEce of soFtWare thAt DoeSn't Have a uBuntU packaGe.
<sabdfl> We shoULd tell that persON "ok, but you have TO fIT In HEre"
<SEveAs> sabdfl, isn'T REVu InteNded FOr ThaT?
<laserjock> sAbDFl: WE have MOTU Teams for inStAnce
<tsMithe> Jdong, well - are tHey "pressinG", AS I said?
<sabDfl> SEVeAS: it does help, but It's noT the whole sTOry, pleasE read ScrollbaCk
<AmarantH> ALl the pacKagEs i CarE abOUT aRe in main so... :)
<tsmITHe> jdOnG, if they AreN't then i Don'T thInk TheY cOunt under That
<LaseRJOcK> sAbDfl: We don'T Exclude wOrKinG oN juSt one OR two paCkageS, but We JuST haVen't had A LoT OF intErEsT, IMO
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<LaserJock> and we h ere much m ore t han  we  s houl d be 
<sabdfl> Lase r Jock : and that's brilliant  work ,t hath as  been  very s u cc e s sfu l<s abd fl >  i 'm no t u ndermin ing that
< Ama ra nth> sabdfl: Idon't seehow  beryl is an y m ore im po rta n t tha n,well,  every t hing e lse
<sabd fl >  but i t 's miss i n ga ve ctor
<LaserJock>I  j u st don't see h ow weca n  m a k e i t a ny easierwi thout comprim i si n g qua l ity
<sabdfl>Amaranth: t h at' s whyiask e d theMOTUto gen eralise the  con cept
<sab dfl> s o  it app l ies to,  well,  ev ery thin g  e ls e
< ts m ith e >wha t  ot her exam pl es  arepres s i n g ?
<s abd fl>Laser Jock: you sai d i t yo u rse lf -a mil e wi de  andan inc h dee p<LaserJock> ifan u pstream c an' tmak eMOTUt hen ma ybe  th ey shou ldn't b e  up lo a d i ng  to Universe
<tsmi th e >  w hat is " everyt h in ge lse"?
<s ab dfl > wh a t  if s omeo n eis knock ing on th edoor sa yi ng "lo ok , i n t his p a ckag e, i c an giveyou 1 0  feet deep"
<t s mithe> everyt h in g wh e re i t i sn't workin g no w ?
<s abdf l >wes hould  notte l lt hat person "you mus tbecome  a ge neralist"
<La serJock> w e d on't tho ugh< jd o ng> tsmithe: e verypiece of s o ftware t hat d oesn't h ave a Ubu n t u packag e.<sa bdf l>w e  s hould tell th a t  per so n "ok,but  you ha vetofit  in  h ere"
<Sev eas> sab df l,  i sn 'tREVUi ntendedfo r t ha t?<Lase r Jock>sabdf l: w eha v e M OTU Tea m sf o r in st an ce
< tsm it he> j dong ,  we ll - ar e they "p res s ing" ,as  i said ?
<sabdfl> Se ve as: it doe shel p, but i t's notthe whole story, please read sc rol lback 
<Am aranth> a llthe pa cka g es i c are ab out a re  in m ain s o . ..  :) 
< tsmithe> j d o ng,  if t he y ar en't th en i don't think t h eycount under t hat 
<La s e rJ ock >  s a bdf l: wed o n't exclude wor king on ju st on e or two p a cka ge s, butwe just  have n 't hada lot ofinterest,  I MO
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<LaserJock>_and we_here much more than_we should_be
<sabdfl>_LaserJock: and_that's_brilliant work, that_has been very_successful
<sabdfl> i'm not undermining_that
<Amaranth> sabdfl: I_don't_see how beryl is any more important than, well, everything else
<sabdfl> but it's missing_a_vector
<LaserJock> I_just_don't_see how we can make_it any easier without comprimising_quality
<sabdfl> Amaranth:_that's why i asked the MOTU to generalise_the_concept
<sabdfl> so it_applies to, well, everything else
<tsmithe> what other examples are_pressing?
<sabdfl> LaserJock: you said it yourself_- a mile_wide_and_an inch deep
<LaserJock> if_an upstream can't make MOTU then_maybe they shouldn't be uploading to_Universe
<tsmithe> what is "everything else"?
<sabdfl> what if_someone is knocking on the door_saying "look, in this package,_i can_give you 10 feet deep"
<tsmithe>_everything where it_isn't working_now?
<sabdfl> we should_not tell that person "you must_become a generalist"
<LaserJock>_we don't though
<jdong> tsmithe: every piece_of_software that doesn't_have_a_Ubuntu package.
<sabdfl>_we should tell_that_person "ok,_but_you have to fit in here"
<Seveas>_sabdfl,_isn't REVU intended for that?
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we_have MOTU Teams for_instance
<tsmithe>_jdong, well - are_they "pressing", as i said?
<sabdfl>_Seveas: it does help, but it's_not the_whole story,_please read scrollback
<Amaranth> all the packages i care about are in_main so... :)
<tsmithe> jdong, if they_aren't then i don't_think they_count_under that
<LaserJock> sabdfl:_we_don't exclude_working on just one or two packages,_but we_just haven't had a lot of_interest, IMO
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