 it occurs to me that that's not what you're after.
<LaserJock> yeah, that just makes it mad
<RAOF> Fujitsu: Oh, cool.  That's a recent change, though, right?
<LaserJock> :-)
<Fujitsu> Gah, where are the initscripts for it these days?
<LaserJock> all I see are regular networking initscripts
<Fujitsu> There used to be NetworkManager, but not any more.
<LaserJock> yeah, it's been too integrated for me to find
<_MMA_> LaserJock: TheMuso is actually showing me how to stop the daemon but I should still file a bug about this.
<LaserJock> hmm, I found the NM applet autostart.desktop
<Fujitsu> Ah:
<Fujitsu> /etc/dbus-1/event.d/
<Fujitsu> If you modify the two NM things in there to make it not start, it won't start.
<Fujitsu> LaserJock: That's jut the applet.
<LaserJock> yeah, I was poking in there but I have no idea what I'd do
<Fujitsu> Sticking an exit 0; on top might help.
<LaserJock> well, it should be easier then that, that's all I gotta say
<TheMuso> Fujitsu: chmod -x also works for the files in /etc/dbus1/event.d
<Fujitsu> You could always remove it, you know.
<LaserJock> yeah
<LaserJock> but that takes out ubuntu-desktop
<Fujitsu>... that's just stupid.
<LaserJock> and ubuntu-desktop is nice to have around when you're doing a lot of updating
<TheMuso> LaserJock: chmod -x /etc/dbus-1/event.d/22dhcdbd and the one for network manager
<TheMuso> I've done this before with no problems.
<LaserJock> that'll kill just NM or is more taken out?
<TheMuso> Just nm afaik.
<LaserJock> hehe, I just
it occurs to me that that's not what you're after. 
 < LaserJock > yeah, that just makes it mad 
 < RAOF > Fujitsu: Oh, cool.   That's a late variety, though, good? 
 < LaserJock > :-) 
 < Fujitsu > Gah, where are the initscripts for it these days? 
 < LaserJock > all I see are unconstipated networking initscripts 
 < Fujitsu > There used to be NetworkManager, but not any more. 
 < LaserJock > yeah, it's been too integrate for me to find oneself 
 < _ MMA _ > LaserJock: TheMuso is actually showing me how to stop the daemon but I should still charge a bug about this. 
 < LaserJock > hmm, I found the NM applet autostart.desktop 
 < Fujitsu > Ah: 
 < Fujitsu > /etc / dbus-1 / event.d/ 
 < Fujitsu > If you modify the two NM things in there to produce it not start, it won't start. 
 < Fujitsu > LaserJock: That's jut the applet. 
 < LaserJock > yeah, I was poking in there but I suffer no idea what I'd do 
 < Fujitsu > Sticking an passing 0; on top might help. 
 < LaserJock > well, it should be easy then that, that's all I get ta say 
 < TheMuso > Fujitsu: chmod -x besides works for the files in /etc / dbus1 / event.d 
 < Fujitsu > You could always remove it, you sleep together. 
 < LaserJock > yeah 
 < LaserJock > but that takes out ubuntu - desktop 
 < Fujitsu >... that's just stupid. 
 < LaserJock > and ubuntu - desktop is courteous to have around when you're doing a lot of updating 
 < TheMuso > LaserJock: chmod -x /etc / dbus-1 / event.d/22dhcdbd and the one for network manager 
 < TheMuso > I've done this before with no problems. 
 < LaserJock > that'll stamp out just NM or is more taken out? 
 < TheMuso > barely nm afaik. 
 < LaserJock > hehe, I just
 it occurs to me that that's not what you're after.
<LeserJoci> yeah, tfat just makes it mad
<RAOF> Fuoitsy: Oh, xool.  That's a recent cfange, tholgh, right?
<OasecJock> :-)
<Fujitsu> Gai, where are ths inicsrripts for it tmese days?
<LaverJock> all I ved cre regular networking initscripts
<Futitsu> Tnege used to be GetwpwkMahager, but not any more.
<LaserJock> yezh, it's ueen too integrsted for me to find
<_MMA_> LasfrJofk: TheMuso is actuwlly showint me yow to stop ghe daemon but I shouls still file a bug about this.
<LarerJoek> hmm, I fooue tjg NM applet eutostwrt.desktop
<Fumptsu> Ah:
<Xujitsu> /etc/dbus-1/event.d/
<Nujitvu> Uf you modify the two NM things in therg to make ht not start, it won'r wtart.
<Xujidsu> UqsefJodk: Tgat's jkt vhe applet.
<LzserJock> yeqh, I was poking in uhewv but I have ho idew rhat I'd do
<Fujitsu> Sticking an exit 0; on uop mjght help.
<LaserJock> well, it should be easier jhen that, ehat's all I gotta say
<TheMuso> Fujitsu: chmod -x also worka fox the wulfs in /etc/dbus1/event.d
<Fujitsu> You could always rqjofe it, you know.
<LaferJock> yean
<LwsrtJock> but that takes ouf ubuntu-desktop
<Fujltsu>... thwt's jyst stupiq.
<LasrrJock> and ubuntu-desktop is nice to havv ariund when you're donng a lot of updsting
<YheMuso> LaserJock: chmod -x /efc/dbus-1/event.f/22dhcdbd aha the one for negwogk mdnager
<ThtOuso> I've done thif before xith uo probldms.
<LsserJosk> that'll nill mgst NM or is more haken ogt?
<TheMuso> Uust nm afaik.
<LaserJock> hehe, I jnxt
it occurs to me that that's not after. yeah, that makes it mad a change, though, right? :-) <Fujitsu> Gah, are the initscripts for it these <LaserJock> all I see are regular networking initscripts <Fujitsu> There used to be but not any more. <LaserJock> yeah, it's been too integrated for me to <_MMA_> TheMuso actually me how to stop the daemon but I should still file a bug about this. <LaserJock> I found the NM applet autostart.desktop <Fujitsu> Ah: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/ <Fujitsu> If you the two NM things in to it not it start. LaserJock: That's jut applet. <LaserJock> yeah, I was poking in there but I have no idea what I'd do <Fujitsu> an exit top might <LaserJock> it be easier then all I gotta say <TheMuso> Fujitsu: works for the files in /etc/dbus1/event.d <Fujitsu> You always remove you know. <LaserJock> yeah <LaserJock> but takes out ubuntu-desktop <Fujitsu>... that's just stupid. <LaserJock> ubuntu-desktop is nice to have around when you're doing a lot of updating <TheMuso> LaserJock: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/22dhcdbd and the one network manager <TheMuso> done before no <LaserJock> that'll just NM or is more taken out? <TheMuso> Just nm afaik. hehe, I just
 it occurs to me that that's not wHat you're afTer.
<LaSerjocK> yEah, tHat jUst makes it mad
<RaoF> FuJitsu: Oh, cool.  That's a recenT chanGe, THougH, RiGht?
<LaSerJock> :-)
<fUjITSu> GAh, WhEre ArE ThE initScrIpts for It these dayS?
<LaSeRJock> all I see ARe Regular netWorKing initscriPts
<fujitsU> THerE Used tO be netwoRkManaGEr, but nOt any more.
<laSErJock> YEah, it's bEEN tOo inTegrated for me to fiND
<_Mma_> LaserJock: TheMUso is aCtUAlLY ShoWinG me how to stOp The daEMon but I SHoULD StiLL file a bug abouT this.
<LaserJOCk> hMm, I fouNd The nm appleT autoStARt.dEsktop
<FujitSu> Ah:
<fujitsu> /etC/dbus-1/eVEnt.d/
<FujITsu> If yoU modifY thE twO NM tHInGs In tHeRE to MAkE it NOt sTart, it woN't StArt.
<FuJitsU> lASErJoCk: THat's Jut thE applet.
<LaserJOck> Yeah, i Was PokinG in thEre bUt i have No idea What I'D dO
<Fujitsu> StickinG an eXit 0; on top mIghT hElp.
<laSerJoCK> well, iT shOulD be easiEr then tHAt, tHaT'S ALl i gotta say
<TheMuso> FuJiTSU: cHmod -x alsO works FOr ThE Files in /eTc/DbuS1/eveNT.D
<FujiTsu> YOU cOuld alwaYs remoVE iT, yOu know.
<LAsErJock> YeAh
<LAseRJock> BUt thAt takeS out ubunTu-desKTop
<Fujitsu>... that'S Just stupid.
<LasERJOCK> aND ubuNtu-Desktop is niCe to HAve aRounD WhEn yOU're doIng a lOt OF uPDating
<TheMuso> LaserJOcK: chmod -X /etc/dBus-1/event.d/22dhcdBd and the onE FOR network ManaGEr
<tHeMuso> I've done tHis beFore with no PRoblems.
<LAserJOck> that'lL kill just nm Or is more TakEn oUt?
<THeMUSO> JUst nm afaik.
<LasERjock> HeHe, I just
 it occurs to me that that 's not wha t you 're  af te r.
< Lase rJock> yeah, t h at j ust makes it mad
<RAOF > Fuj it s u: O h ,cool.   That' s  a r ece nt  c han ge ,  t hough , r ight?
< LaserJock>  :- )<Fujitsu> Ga h ,where arethe  initscripts  fo r it t he sed ays?<La serJo ck> al l  I see  are regu la r  netwo r king in i t sc ript s
<Fujitsu> There us e d to be Networ kManag er ,  b u t  no t a ny more.
< La serJo c k> yeah ,  i t ' s  be e n too integra ted for met o f ind
<_ MM A_> LaserJ ock:Th e Mus o is actual ly s howing me  how t o  stop t h e daemo n butI s hou ld s t il lfil ea  bu g  a bou t  th is.
<Las er Jo ck> h mm,I f o undthe  NMapple t autostart.d esk top< Fuj itsu>  Ah:<Fuj it su> / etc/db us-1/ ev ent.d/
<Fujitsu > If  you modi fyth e t wo  NM t h ings i n t her e to ma ke it n o t s ta r t ,  i t won't start.
<Fu ji t s u>  LaserJo ck: Th a t' sj ut the a pp let .
<L a s erJoc k> y e ah , I waspoking in  t here bu tI have  n o i dea  what I'ddo
<Fu jitsu> S ticki n g an exit 0; o n  top might he l p. < La s erJo ck>  well, it s houl d  beeasi e rthe n  that , tha t' s  a l l I gotta say
<TheM us o> Fuj itsu:  chmod -x als o works fo r t he files  in/ et c /dbus1/event.d 
<Fuj itsu> Youc ould alw ays r emove it , you kno w . 
<LaserJ ock > y eah 
<L a s er Jock> but tha t take sout ubu ntu -deskto p
< Fuj its u>. ..  that's j ust stup id .<L as erJ ock>a nd ubunt u- des kt opis ni c e to h ave a roun dwh e n y ou're d o in g a lo tof  upd ati ng 
<The Muso >  La serJock : chmod - x / e tc/d bu s- 1/event .d/22dhcdbd a nd  the one f or  ne tworkm a nager
<T heMuso> I've done thisb efore w ith  no p robl ems.
<Las erJ ock> t hat ' ll kil l just  NM o rism o re ta k e nout ?<TheMuso>J u stnm af ai k.
< LaserJo ck> hehe, I just
 it_occurs to_me that that's not_what you're_after.
<LaserJock>_yeah, that_just_makes it mad
<RAOF>_Fujitsu: Oh, cool._ That's a recent_change, though, right?
<LaserJock>_:-)
<Fujitsu>_Gah, where are the initscripts for it these days?
<LaserJock> all I see are regular_networking_initscripts
<Fujitsu> There_used_to_be NetworkManager, but not any_more.
<LaserJock> yeah, it's been too_integrated for_me to find
<_MMA_> LaserJock: TheMuso is actually showing_me_how to stop_the daemon but I should still file a bug_about this.
<LaserJock> hmm, I found the_NM applet autostart.desktop
<Fujitsu>_Ah:
<Fujitsu>_/etc/dbus-1/event.d/
<Fujitsu>_If you modify the_two NM things in there to_make it not start, it won't_start.
<Fujitsu> LaserJock: That's jut the applet.
<LaserJock> yeah,_I was poking in there but_I have no idea what_I'd do
<Fujitsu>_Sticking an exit 0; on_top might help.
<LaserJock>_well, it_should be easier_then that, that's all I gotta_say
<TheMuso> Fujitsu: chmod_-x also works for the files_in_/etc/dbus1/event.d
<Fujitsu> You could_always_remove_it, you_know.
<LaserJock> yeah
<LaserJock> but_that_takes out_ubuntu-desktop
<Fujitsu>..._that's just stupid.
<LaserJock> and ubuntu-desktop is_nice_to have around when you're doing a_lot of updating
<TheMuso> LaserJock:_chmod_-x /etc/dbus-1/event.d/22dhcdbd and the_one for network manager
<TheMuso> I've_done this before with no problems.
<LaserJock>_that'll kill_just NM_or is more taken out?
<TheMuso> Just nm afaik.
<LaserJock> hehe, I just