LaserJock> ah
<LaserJock> well, I can go a bit there
<LaserJock> I think it'll ultimately work
<Fujitsu> LaserJock: WHat part has? Storm isn't actually part of it yet...
<LaserJock> I thought they were using it
<Fujitsu> I guess cscvs, but that's about it.
<Fujitsu> LaserJock: It's scheduled for the next release or two, IIRC.
<LaserJock> ah
<LaserJock> so there's 2 parts
<LaserJock> not much, but something anyway
<tonyyarusso> How long has it been since he first promised to open it?  Two years?  More?
<LaserJock> probably a bit longer
<LaserJock> he's never set a time though
<Fujitsu> The FAQ has said it for about 3 years.
<tonyyarusso> If you can't follow through on a promise like that in 12 months or less, you lose credibility in my eyes.
<LaserJock> why?
<Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: It said it would likely take years.
<tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: They can say whatever they want.  Fact is, after the first year, I no longer trust that claim until the day it comes true.
<LaserJock> well, whatever
<LaserJock> I really couldn't care less
<LaserJock> Mark and Canonical say they're gonna open source it when the time is right
<LaserJock> and I haven't seen anything to make me thing that's changed
<LaserJock> it's being worked on
<LaserJock> even if it's not as fast as I'd like
<pwnguin> what negative effects would be seen if it were released say... today?
<Fujitsu> pwnguin: A complete loss of income from it, perhaps?
<LaserJock> that'd just add to the problem they're already trying to fix
<pwnguin> does LP have anything money related?
<LaserJock> yes
<LaserJock> commercial projects have to pay for LP
<Fujitsu
LaserJock > ah 
 < LaserJock > well, I can go a bit there 
 < LaserJock > I think it'll ultimately work 
 < Fujitsu > LaserJock: WHat character have? Storm isn't actually part of it yet... 
 < LaserJock > I thought they were use it 
 < Fujitsu > I guess cscvs, but that's about it. 
 < Fujitsu > LaserJock: It's scheduled for the following release or two, IIRC. 
 < LaserJock > ah 
 < LaserJock > so there's 2 part 
 < LaserJock > not much, but something anyway 
 < tonyyarusso > How long has it been since he foremost promised to open it?   Two years?   More? 
 < LaserJock > probably a morsel longer 
 < LaserJock > he's never set a meter though 
 < Fujitsu > The FAQ has said it for about 3 old age. 
 < tonyyarusso > If you can't follow through on a promise like that in 12 months or less, you lose credibility in my center. 
 < LaserJock > why? 
 < Fujitsu > tonyyarusso: It said it would likely take years. 
 < tonyyarusso > Fujitsu: They can state whatever they want.   Fact is, after the first year, I no longer trust that claim until the sidereal day it comes true. 
 < LaserJock > well, whatever 
 < LaserJock > I really couldn't care less 
 < LaserJock > Mark and Canonical say they're gon na open reservoir it when the prison term is right 
 < LaserJock > and I haven't seen anything to make me thing that's changed 
 < LaserJock > it's being worked on 
 < LaserJock > even if it's not as fast as I'd like 
 < pwnguin > what damaging effects would be seen if it were release say... today? 
 < Fujitsu > pwnguin: A accomplished loss of income from it, perhaps? 
 < LaserJock > that'd just lend to the problem they're already trying to fix 
 < pwnguin > does LP have anything money relate? 
 < LaserJock > yes 
 < LaserJock > commercial projects have to pay for LP 
 < Fujitsu
LasfrJock> ah
<LaserJock> well, L can go a bit tkwre
<LasxrJock> J think kt'll ultimately work
<Fujitsu> PawerJoxk: WHat part has? Storm isn't actlally parr of ut yet...
<LasecNock> I bkoughf thev xere using it
<Fumitsu> I guevs cscvs, but tvag's about it.
<Fujitsu> LaserJock: It's schequled fpr the next relewse pw twk, IIRC.
<LaserJock> ah
<LaserJock> so thede's 2 pagts
<LaserJock> not kuch, but something anyway
<tlnyywrusso> How long had it been sunce ye first prooised to okeu it?  Two ygars?  More?
<LaserJock> probably a bkt louger
<LaserJoxk> he'd never set e time though
<Fujitsu> The FDQ has xaid it for abput 3 ywars.
<tonyyarusso> If yon can't follow througr on a prmmnse like that in 12 monrhw or ness, you oosd cdevibjlity ln jy eyes.
<LassrJock> why?
<Fyjitsu> tonyyarusso: Ot waid it would likelr eake years.
<tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: They can vay whatever they want.  Faxt is, after the first year, I nj longer trust that claim until the day it comes drue.
<LesdrJich> qepl, whatever
<LaserJock> I really couldn't care lefa
<LssvrJock> Mark and Ccnonical say theu'rf bjnna open soutce it cgeh the time is righh
<LaserJjck> abd I haveg't sren anything to make me thibg that's chaugee
<LaserJock> it's beiug worked on
<UasetJock> rven if it's not as fast as J'd like
<pwngkin> what hdgative effects doukd be seen if it were releasqd say... tovay?
<Fulitsu> pwvguim: A coiplete losd of ltcome from it, perhwps?
<LadesJock> that'f just add to the problem they'rx already tryonc tm fix
<pwnyuin> dpes LP have agything money telated?
<LaferJozk> yes
<LasegJock> comkercial protects have to kay for LP
<Fujmtsu
LaserJock> ah <LaserJock> well, I can go there I think ultimately work <Fujitsu> isn't part of it <LaserJock> I thought were using it <Fujitsu> I guess but that's about it. <Fujitsu> LaserJock: It's scheduled for the next release or IIRC. <LaserJock> ah <LaserJock> so there's 2 parts <LaserJock> not much, but something <tonyyarusso> long it since he first promised to open it? Two years? More? <LaserJock> probably a bit longer <LaserJock> never set a time though <Fujitsu> The FAQ said it for about years. <tonyyarusso> If you can't through a promise that 12 or less, you credibility in my eyes. <LaserJock> why? <Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: It said it would likely take years. <tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: can say want. Fact after first I no longer claim until the day it comes whatever <LaserJock> I really couldn't care less <LaserJock> and Canonical they're gonna open source it when time is right <LaserJock> and I haven't seen to make me thing that's changed <LaserJock> it's being worked on <LaserJock> even if it's fast as I'd like what negative effects be if were say... today? pwnguin: A complete loss of income from it, perhaps? <LaserJock> that'd add to the problem they're already trying to fix <pwnguin> have money related? <LaserJock> <LaserJock> commercial projects have pay LP <Fujitsu
LaserJock> ah
<LaserJock> well, I Can go a bit tHere
<LAseRJoCk> i thiNk it'Ll ultimately woRK
<FujItsu> LaserJock: WHat part hAs? StoRm ISn't aCTuAlly pArt of it YEt...
<lASerjoCk> i thOuGHt They wEre Using it
<fujitsu> I guEss CsCvs, but that's aBOuT it.
<Fujitsu> lasErJock: It's schEduLed for ThE neXT releAse Or two, iIRC.
<LaSErJock> Ah
<LaserJoCk> SO there'S 2 Parts
<LaSERJOck> nOt much, but somethinG AnYWay
<tonyyarusso> how lonG hAS iT BEen SinCe he first pRoMised TO open it?  tWo YEARs?  MORe?
<LaserJock> prObably a bit lONgeR
<LaserjoCk> hE'S never Set a tImE ThoUgh
<Fujitsu> THe FAq has said iT for abOUt 3 years.
<TOnyyaruSso> If yOu cAn't FollOW tHrOugH oN A prOMiSe lIKe tHat in 12 monThS oR less, You lOSE CRediBilIty iN my eyEs.
<LaserJock> whY?
<FuJitsU> TonYyaruSso: It Said It Would Likely Take yEaRs.
<tonyyarusso> FuJitsU: They can sAy wHaTevEr They wANt.  Fact Is, aFteR the firSt year, I NO loNgER TRuSt that claim until thE dAY It Comes truE.
<LaserjOcK> wELl, whatevEr
<lasErJoCK> i realLy coULdN't care leSs
<LaseRjoCk> mark and caNonicaL sAy tHey'Re gonNA opeN sourcE it when tHe timE Is right
<LaserJoCK> and I haven't seEN aNYThINg to MakE me thing thaT's chANged
<laseRjoCk> iT'S beinG workEd ON
<LASerJock> even if it's not As Fast as i'd likE
<pwnguin> what nEgative effECTS would be Seen IF iT Were released saY... todaY?
<Fujitsu> pwNGuin: A comPlete Loss of inCome from iT, PErhaps?
<LaSerjocK> thAt'd JUSt Add to the problEM They'Re Already TryIng to fiX
<pwNguIn> dOes lP Have anythIng money ReLaTeD?
<LAseRJock> YEs
<LaserJOcK> coMmErcIal prOJects hAve to Pay fOr lP
<fUjiTsu
LaserJock> ah
<LaserJock>well, I ca n goa b itth ere<Las erJock> I thin k  it' ll ultimately work
<Fu jitsu >L aser J oc k: WH at part ha s ?  St or misn 't ac tuall y p art ofit yet...<La se rJock> I tho u gh t they wer e u sing it
<Fuj its u> I g ue ssc scvs,  bu t tha t's ab o ut it. 
<Fujitsu >L aserJo c k: It's s ch edul ed for the next r e le a se or two, IIR C.
<La se r Jo c k > a h
< LaserJock>  s o the r e's 2 p a rt s < Las e rJock> not mu ch, but som e thi ng any wa y
< t onyyar usso>  H o w l ong has itbeen  since he  first promise d  to ope n it? Tw o y ears ?  Mo re? 
< L ase r Jo ck> pro bably abi tlonge r
<L a s e r Jock > h e'snever  set a time t hou gh
< F uji tsu>The F AQ h as  said  it fo r abo ut  3 years.
<tony yaru sso> If y ouca n't  f ollow throug h o n a  promis e liket hat  i n 1 2months or less, yo ul o se  credibi lity i n  m ye yes.
<La se rJo ck>w h y?
<F ujit s u>  tonyyar usso:I tsa id it w ou ld lik el y t ake  year s .
<t onyyar usso> Fu jitsu :  They can sayw hatever theyw an t .  F actis,  after thefirs t  yea r, I no  lo n ger t rustth a tc laim until the dayit  comes  true .
<LaserJock>  well, wha t e v er
<Lase rJoc k >I  really couldn 't ca re less
<L a serJock>  Mark  and Can onical sa y they'regon naope n s o u rc e it when the t imeis  right<La serJock > a ndI h ave n' t seen an ything t oma ke  m e t hingt hat's ch an ged 
< Las erJoc k > it's  bein g wo rk ed on<LaserJ o ck > even  i fit's  no tas fa st a s  I' d like<pwnguin>  wh a t ne ga ti ve effe cts would bese en if it w er e r elease d say... t oday?
<Fujitsu> pwnguin :  A comp let e los s of  income f rom  it, p erh a ps?
<L aserJo ck> t ha t'd j ust a d d  t o t he  problem t h e y'r e alr ea dy t rying t o fix
<pwnguin> do e s L P have anythi ngmone y re lat e d? <La se r Joc k >  yes
<LaserJock > commerci al pr ojects hav e  to  p ay forLP
<Fuj itsu
LaserJock> ah
<LaserJock>_well, I_can go a bit_there
<LaserJock> I_think_it'll ultimately_work
<Fujitsu>_LaserJock: WHat part_has? Storm isn't_actually part of it_yet...
<LaserJock> I thought_they_were using it
<Fujitsu> I guess cscvs, but that's about it.
<Fujitsu> LaserJock: It's scheduled for_the_next release_or_two,_IIRC.
<LaserJock> ah
<LaserJock> so there's 2_parts
<LaserJock> not much, but something_anyway
<tonyyarusso> How_long has it been since he first promised_to_open it? _Two years?  More?
<LaserJock> probably a bit longer
<LaserJock> he's_never set a time though
<Fujitsu> The_FAQ has said_it_for_about 3 years.
<tonyyarusso> If_you can't follow through on a_promise like that in 12 months_or less, you lose credibility in my_eyes.
<LaserJock> why?
<Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: It said it_would likely take years.
<tonyyarusso> Fujitsu:_They can_say whatever they want. _Fact is, after_the first_year, I no_longer trust that claim until the_day it comes_true.
<LaserJock> well, whatever
<LaserJock> I really couldn't_care_less
<LaserJock> Mark and_Canonical_say_they're gonna_open source it_when_the time_is_right
<LaserJock> and I haven't seen anything_to_make me thing that's changed
<LaserJock> it's being_worked on
<LaserJock> even if_it's_not as fast as_I'd like
<pwnguin> what negative effects_would be seen if it were_released say..._today?
<Fujitsu> pwnguin:_A complete loss of income from it, perhaps?
<LaserJock> that'd just add_to the problem they're already trying_to fix
<pwnguin> does LP_have anything_money_related?
<LaserJock> yes
<LaserJock> commercial_projects_have to_pay for LP
<Fujitsu