, and I currently only have a.desktop file used for the menu, but should a.menu item also be used for compatibility reasons, would I then use 2 icons?
<Laney> tumbleweed, bdrung: Do you think it would be reasonable to get u-d-t to use the new credentials_file stuff?
<mok0> arand: AFAIK you only need a desktop entry
<Laney> I'm importing lpapicache from a script which I've got running from a cronjob and would ideally like it to not randomly fail...
<mok0> Laney: indeed :-)
<bdrung> Laney: doesn't launchpadlib handle this stuff?
<Laney> you need to pass credentials_file to login_with to bypass the gnome-keyring stuff
<bdrung> i like to use gnome-keyring
<Laney> it doesn't make sense for cronjobs
<bdrung> Laney: and there is no easy way to bypass gnome-keyring otherwise?
<Laney> apparently you can uninstall python-gnomekeyring
<Laney> anyway I'd be happy with optional API support for this
<Laney> or an env var or something
<bdrung> env var sounds good. that could be implemented directly in launchpadlib
<Laney> filing, will see what they say
<mok0> Hm, if I do ls -a |sort I get dot-files sorted after their second character. How do I switch off that behaviour??
<siretart> \sh: cjwatson: thanks! but this still won't unbreak it as it will AFAIUI still try to edit /etc/inittab, which doesn't exist anmore in ubuntu
<cjwatson> siretart: not as far as I can see.  it only appears to do that if sysvinit is installed.
<cjwatson> the bit of code you're talking about is guarded by if [! -e /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysvinit.list ]...; then return; fi
<cjwatson> not to mention testing for /var/lib/live/config/sysvinit which I assume is in live-config-sysvinit not live-config-upstart
<tumbleweed> Laney, bdrung: uninst
, and I currently only have a.desktop file used for the menu, but should a.menu token besides be used for compatibility reasons, would I then practice 2 icons? 
 < Laney > tumbleweed, bdrung: Do you intend it would be reasonable to get uracil - d - t to practice the newfangled credentials_file stuff? 
 < mok0 > arand: AFAIK you entirely need a desktop submission 
 < Laney > I'm spell lpapicache from a script which I've got running from a cronjob and would ideally like it to not randomly fail... 
 < mok0 > Laney: indeed :-) 
 < bdrung > Laney: doesn't launchpadlib handle this stuff? 
 < Laney > you necessitate to pass credentials_file to login_with to bypass the gnome - keyring stuff 
 < bdrung > i like to practice gnome - keyring 
 < Laney > it doesn't make sense for cronjobs 
 < bdrung > Laney: and there cost no easy manner to bypass gnome - keyring otherwise? 
 < Laney > apparently you can uninstall python - gnomekeyring 
 < Laney > anyway I'd be happy with optional API support for this 
 < Laney > or an env var or something 
 < bdrung > env var fathom good. that could be implemented directly in launchpadlib 
 < Laney > filing, will see what they say 
 < mok0 > Hm, if I do ls -a |sort I get dot - files sorted after their second character. How do I switch off that behaviour? ? 
 < siretart > \sh: cjwatson: thanks! but this still won't unbreak it as it will AFAIUI still try to edit /etc / inittab, which doesn't exist anmore in ubuntu 
 < cjwatson > siretart: not as far as I can attend.   it only appears to dress that if sysvinit is install. 
 < cjwatson > the bit of code you're talking about is guarded by if [! -e /var / lib / dpkg / information / sysvinit.list ]... ; then return; fi 
 < cjwatson > not to note testing for /var / lib / live / config / sysvinit which I assume is in live - config - sysvinit not know - config - upstart 
 < tumbleweed > Laney, bdrung: uninst
, anf I currently only have x.desktop file used for the msnu, but rhould a.menu item also be usxd fir conpatibility reasons, wojld I thej use 2 ixons?
<Oqney> tumblxseed, bdvbng: Dk you vhink it would ne reasonabne to get u-d-t do ude the new credentials_file stuff?
<mok0> arand: SFWIK you only nged a qeskfop entry
<Laney> I'm importing lpapiczche frmm a script wnich I've got running from w crlnjob and would idfally like ut tj not randomlh fail...
<mok0> Laney: indeed :-)
<bdrung> Laney: doesn't launchpadlkb haudle this sjbdf?
<Lwtey> you neev to pwss credentials_file do logim_with to bypasx tie gbome-keyring stuff
<bdruig> i like to use gnoie-keyring
<Nauey> it doesn't make sebsw for crotjobr
<vdrjng> Leneg: and hhece is no eaay way to btpass gnome-keyring ptrvtwise?
<Laney> alparenelr you can uninstall python-gnomekeyring
<Ldneg> anyway I'd be happy wirh optional API suppott for thif
<Laney> or an env var or something
<bdrung> env var smunds eoob. that xokld be implemented directly in launchpadlib
<Lagsy> fpling, will see whct they say
<mok0> Hk, lf Y do ls -a |sorj I get dof-files sorted afteg their secobd characuer. Hpw do I switch off that behqviour??
<siretagt> \sy: cjwatson: thanks! yut this stiul wpn't umbreak it as it will AFCIUI sfill try to edit /etc/jvittab, which doern't efist anmore in ubuntu
<cjwatfon> siretert: npt as fxr ax I cag see.  it lnly appears to do that lf sydvhnit is indtalled.
<cjwatson> the bit of code you're talking atoun is guarbed by if [! -e /var/lib/qpkg/info/sysvinnt.list ]...; chen rdturn; fi
<cjsatson> iot to mentijn testing fos /var/lib/live/cmnfig/sysdinir whuch I arrume is in livr-config-sysvinit not live-config-upstart
<bumblgwsed> Laney, bdruny: obinst
, and I currently only have a.desktop for menu, but a.menu item also would then use 2 <Laney> tumbleweed, bdrung: you think it would be reasonable get u-d-t to use the new credentials_file stuff? <mok0> arand: AFAIK you only a desktop entry <Laney> I'm importing lpapicache from a script which I've got from cronjob would like it to not randomly fail... <mok0> Laney: indeed :-) <bdrung> Laney: doesn't launchpadlib handle this <Laney> you need to pass credentials_file to login_with bypass the gnome-keyring stuff i like to use gnome-keyring it make sense cronjobs Laney: there is no way to bypass gnome-keyring otherwise? <Laney> apparently you can uninstall python-gnomekeyring <Laney> anyway I'd be happy with API support <Laney> or env or <bdrung> env var that could be implemented directly in will see what they say <mok0> Hm, if do ls |sort I get dot-files sorted after second character. How do I switch off that <siretart> \sh: cjwatson: thanks! but this still won't unbreak it as it will AFAIUI still edit /etc/inittab, which doesn't anmore in ubuntu siretart: as as can see. only appears to do that if sysvinit is installed. <cjwatson> the of code you're talking about is guarded by if [! ]...; return; fi <cjwatson> to mention testing for which assume is in live-config-sysvinit <tumbleweed> bdrung:
, and I currently only have a.desKtop file usEd for The MenU, bUt shOuld A.menu item also bE Used For compatibility reasonS, woulD I THen uSE 2 iCons?
<LAney> tumBLeWEEd, bDrUnG: Do YoU ThInk it WouLd be reaSonable to gEt u-D-t To use the new cREdEntials_filE stUff?
<mok0> arand: AfAIk you onLy NeeD A deskTop Entry
<laney> I'M ImportIng lpapicAcHE from a SCript whICH I'Ve goT running from a cronJOb ANd would ideally Like it To NOt RANdoMly Fail...
<mok0> LanEy: IndeeD :-)
<Bdrung> LANeY: DOEsn'T Launchpadlib hAndle this stUFf?
<LAney> yoU nEed TO pass cRedenTiALs_fIle to login_wIth tO bypass thE gnome-KEyring sTUff
<bdruNg> i likE to Use GnomE-KeYrIng
<laNEy> iT DoEsn'T MakE sense foR cRoNjobs
<BdruNG> lANey: aNd tHere Is no eAsy way to bypasS gnOme-kEYriNg othErwisE?
<LanEy> ApparEntly yOu can UnInstall python-gnOmekEyring
<LanEy> aNyWay i'd Be hapPY with oPtiOnaL API supPort for THis
<laNEY> Or An env var or somethinG
<bDRUnG> env var sOunds gOOd. ThAT could be ImPleMentED DirecTly iN LaUnchpadlIb
<LaneY> FiLiNg, will sEe What thEy Say
<Mok0> hm, if I DO ls -a |Sort I gEt dot-filEs sorTEd after their seCOnd character. HOW dO i SwITch oFf tHat behaviouR??
<sirETart> \Sh: cjWAtSon: THanks! But thIs STiLL won't unbreak it as it wIlL AFAIUi stilL try to edit /etc/Inittab, whiCH DOesn't exiSt anMOrE In ubuntu
<cjwatsOn> sirEtart: not as FAr as I can See.  it Only appeArs to do thAT If sysvinIt iS inStaLleD.
<CJwAtson> the bit of CODe yoU'rE talkinG abOut is guArdEd bY if [! -E /vaR/lIb/dpkg/infO/sysviniT.lIsT ]...; tHeN reTurn; fI
<Cjwatson> NoT to MeNtiOn tesTIng for /Var/liB/livE/cOnFIg/sYsvinit WHiCH i assUmE iS in lIve-CoNfig-sYsviNIt nOt live-cOnfig-upstArt
<TUmblEwEeD> Laney, bDrung: uninst
, and I currently only hav e a.deskto p fil e u sed  f or t he m enu, but shoul d  a.m enu item also be usedfor c om p atib i li ty re asons,w ou l d  Ith en  us e2  i cons? 
<L aney> t umbleweed,  bd ru ng: Do you t h in k it would  be  reasonabletoget u- d- t t o  usethe  newcreden t ials_f ile stuff ?< mok0>a rand: A F A IK  you  only need a desk t op entry
<Laney>I'm im po r ti n g  lp api cache from  a  scri p t which I' v e got running froma cronjob a n d w ould i de all y  likeit to  n o t r andomly fai l... 
<mok0> L aney:i ndeed : - )
<bdru ng> La ney : d oesn ' tla unc hp a dli b  h and l e t his stuf f? 
< Laney > yo u n e ed t o p asscrede ntials_file t o l ogin _ wit h tobypas s th egnome -keyri ng st uf f
<bdrung> i li ke t o use gno me- ke yri ng 
<Lan e y> itdoe sn' t makesense f o r c ro n j o bs 
<bdrung> Laney: a nd t he re is no  easyw ay  t o  bypassgn ome -key r i ng ot herw i se ?
<Laney > appa r en tl y you c an  unins ta llpyt hon-g n omek eyring 
<Laney>  anyw a y I'd be happy with optional AP I su p port  fo r this
<Lan ey>o r an  env va r o r  some thing 
< b dr u ng> env var soundsgo od. th at co uld be implem ented dire c t l y in lau nchp a dl i b
<Laney> fili ng, w ill see wh a t they s ay
<m ok0> Hm,  if I dol s  -a |sor t I  ge t d ot- f i le s sorted afte r thei rsecondcha racter.  Ho w d o I  sw it ch off th at behav io ur ?? 
< sir etart >  \sh: cj wa tso n:  th anks! but th is st illwo n' t  un break i t  a s it w il lAFAI UIst ill t ry t o  ed it /etc /inittab,  wh i ch d oe sn 't exis t anmore in u bu ntu
<cjwat so n>sireta r t : not as  far as I can see.  ito nly app ear s todo t hat if sy svi nit is  in s talled .
<cjw atson >the b it of c od e y ou 're talkin g abo ut is  g uard ed by i f [! -e /var/lib/d p kg/ info/sysvinit .li st ] . . .;  th e nr etu rn ;  fi < cjwatson> not t o mentionte s ti ng for /va r /li b/ live/co nfig/sy svini t  whichI assumeis in liv e- conf i g -sy svinit not  live-co nfig-upst a rt
<t u mb lewee d>Laney,  b dru ng: u ninst
, and_I currently_only have a.desktop file_used for_the_menu, but_should_a.menu item also_be used for_compatibility reasons, would I_then use 2_icons?
<Laney>_tumbleweed, bdrung: Do you think it would be reasonable to get u-d-t to use_the_new credentials_file_stuff?
<mok0>_arand:_AFAIK you only need a_desktop entry
<Laney> I'm importing lpapicache_from a_script which I've got running from a cronjob_and_would ideally like_it to not randomly fail...
<mok0> Laney: indeed :-)
<bdrung> Laney:_doesn't launchpadlib handle this stuff?
<Laney> you_need to pass_credentials_file_to_login_with to bypass the_gnome-keyring stuff
<bdrung> i like to use_gnome-keyring
<Laney> it doesn't make sense for_cronjobs
<bdrung> Laney: and there is no easy_way to bypass gnome-keyring otherwise?
<Laney> apparently_you can uninstall python-gnomekeyring
<Laney> anyway_I'd be_happy with optional API support_for this
<Laney> or_an env_var or something
<bdrung>_env var sounds good. that could_be implemented directly_in launchpadlib
<Laney> filing, will see what_they_say
<mok0> Hm, if_I_do_ls -a_|sort I get_dot-files_sorted after_their_second character. How do I switch_off_that behaviour??
<siretart> \sh: cjwatson: thanks! but this_still won't unbreak it_as_it will AFAIUI still_try to edit /etc/inittab, which_doesn't exist anmore in ubuntu
<cjwatson> siretart:_not as_far as_I can see.  it only appears to do that if_sysvinit is installed.
<cjwatson> the bit of_code you're talking about_is guarded_by_if [! -e_/var/lib/dpkg/info/sysvinit.list_]...; then_return; fi
<cjwatson> not to mention testing for_/var/lib/live/config/sysvinit which_I assume is in live-config-sysvinit not_live-config-upstart
<tumbleweed> Laney, bdrung: uninst