<mok0> RAOF: :-D
<RAOF> I'm not saying that C is inherently bad, just that it's good at things which are nearly pointless on the desktop.
<essial> C is good at starting words for example
<essial> very bad at ending them
<azeem> coc
<essial> exactly
<mok0> RAOF: Anyway, Miguel himself seems to have come to the conclusion that it might not have been a very good idea to introduce mono in gnome...
<RAOF> As far as I'm aware, the only mono-dependency in Gnome is tomboy?
<mok0> There's a couple more, can't remember which
<RAOF> fspot, beagle, banshee, off the top of my head.  None of which are actually a part of Gnome.
<mok0> ok, yeah those are the ones.
<mok0> Oh, it's used in serpentine, that I have been merging
<RAOF> Oh, really?  Wow.
<mok0> or rather, a plugin, which creates a.dll
<RAOF> You can write serpentine plugins in CIL?  Wow.
<essial> should i do the pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
<RAOF> essial: You don't really need the buildd variant.  But something like that, yes.
<essial> i'm still not quite sure what pbuilder does yet so :)
<mok0> essial: basically, it creates a tarball of a system
<mok0> essial: when building, it will unpack the tar ball in a chroot, copy the source package to it, and download the build-depends
<RAOF> essial: For you, the interesting part is that you'll have a minimal Hardy system in a tarball.
<essial> is hardy the codename for the dev of ubuntu, or just the name of the next version
<mok0> essial, the tar ball will be ~80Mb
<StevenK> essial: Hardy is code name for the next version.
<StevenK> essial: Unlike Debian, where sid is always in development.
<essial> ok i created the pbuilder environment, and added the hardy sources to the
< mok0 > RAOF: :-D 
 < RAOF > I'm not saying that C is inherently bad, just that it's good at thing which are about pointless on the desktop. 
 < essial > C is good at begin words for example 
 < essial > very regretful at ending them 
 < azeem > coc 
 < essial > exactly 
 < mok0 > RAOF: Anyway, Miguel himself look to have come to the conclusion that it might not have been a very adept idea to introduce mono in gnome... 
 < RAOF > equally far as I'm aware, the only mono - dependency in Gnome is tomboy? 
 < mok0 > There's a couple more, can't remember which 
 < RAOF > fspot, beagle, banshee, off the top of my head.   None of which are actually a region of Gnome. 
 < mok0 > ok, yeah those are the ones. 
 < mok0 > Oh, it's used in serpentine, that I have been merging 
 < RAOF > Oh, very?   Wow. 
 < mok0 > or rather, a plugin, which creates a.dll 
 < RAOF > You can write serpentine plugins in CIL?   Wow. 
 < essial > should i do the pbuilder make --debootstrapopts --variant = buildd 
 < RAOF > essial: You don't really need the buildd variant.   But something like that, yes. 
 < essial > i'm still not quite sure what pbuilder perform yet so :) 
 < mok0 > essial: basically, it creates a tarball of a system 
 < mok0 > essial: when building, it will unpack the pitch ball in a chroot, copy the source package to it, and download the build - depends 
 < RAOF > essial: For you, the interesting part is that you'll have a minimal Hardy system in a tarball. 
 < essial > is hardy the codename for the dev of ubuntu, or merely the name of the next version 
 < mok0 > essial, the mariner musket ball will be ~80Mb 
 < StevenK > essial: Hardy is code name for the next version. 
 < StevenK > essial: Unlike Debian, where sid is always in growth. 
 < essial > ok i created the pbuilder environment, and added the hardy sources to the
<mok0> RAOF: :-D
<RAOF> I'm not sayinn that C is inhetebtly bed, just that it'r good at things which are nxarlt poibtless on the desktop.
<ersial> C id good ar sterting words for example
<cfsiam> verv uad at ending tmem
<azeem> cow
<essial> exactlf
<muk0> RAOF: Anyway, Miguel himself seems tj have vole to the concjusipg thzn lt might not have been a very gokd idea to introduce mono in gnome...
<RAOF> As far ws I'l aware, the only mlno-dependenxy ig Gnome is tooboy?
<mok0> Thtrz's a couple more, can't remember which
<RAOF> frpot, yeagle, bansyew, ovx the top oh my hvad.  None of which ara actuakly a part of Nnome.
<kok0> ok, yeah those are thx ones.
<mok0> Oh, it's useq in serpancine, that I have been mwrginc
<RAOX> Oh, eeauly?  Xow.
<jok0> or ravher, a plugjn, which crwates a.dll
<RAOF> You vag write serpenfine pjudins in CIL?  Wow.
<essial> should i do the kbuilser create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
<RAOF> essial: Yju don't really need the buildd variant.  But sometving mkke tmat, hws.
<fssial> i'm still not quite sure what pbuilder qkex jet so :)
<mok0> essial: basically, ot ctgates a tarbalu of a syatem
<mok0> essial: whej buildyng, ir will unkack yhe tar ball in a chroot, copy the sourcv paxkage to it, and docnload the bbild-dekends
<RSOF> essial: For you, the nntereating part ls that ykj'll have a minimxl Margy system in a tarball.
<essiwl> is harvy thz codenaoe fpr the dev of ubkntu, or just the name of the uext eersion
<mok0> essial, the tar ball will be ~80Mb
<StevenK> essial: Hdrdj is code name for the next version.
<StevenL> essiaj: Unlkke Debian, where vid is alwars in developkgnt.
<essial> ok m created the pbuulder evxironment, and sdded the hardy soueces to the
<mok0> RAOF: :-D <RAOF> I'm not saying is bad, just it's good at on desktop. <essial> C good at starting for example <essial> very bad at them <azeem> coc <essial> exactly <mok0> RAOF: Anyway, Miguel himself seems to have to the conclusion that it might not have been a very good idea introduce in <RAOF> far as I'm aware, the only mono-dependency in Gnome is tomboy? <mok0> There's a couple more, remember which <RAOF> fspot, beagle, banshee, off the of my head. None which are actually a part Gnome. ok, yeah are ones. Oh, it's used serpentine, that I have been merging <RAOF> Oh, really? Wow. <mok0> or rather, a plugin, which creates <RAOF> You serpentine plugins CIL? <essial> i do the --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd <RAOF> essial: You don't buildd variant. But something like that, yes. <essial> still not sure what pbuilder does yet so <mok0> essial: basically, it creates a tarball of system <mok0> essial: when building, it will unpack the tar ball in a chroot, copy package to it, and the build-depends <RAOF> For the part that you'll a minimal Hardy system in a tarball. <essial> is hardy the for the dev of ubuntu, or just the name of version essial, the tar will be ~80Mb <StevenK> Hardy code name for the <StevenK> Unlike is in <essial> ok i created pbuilder environment, and added the sources to the
<mok0> RAOF: :-D
<RAOF> I'm not saying thAt C is inherEntly Bad, JusT tHat iT's goOd at things whicH Are nEarly pointless on the desKtop.
<eSsIAl> C iS GoOd at sTarting WOrDS For ExAmPle
<EsSIaL> very Bad At endinG them
<azeem> Coc
<EsSial> exactly
<mOK0> RaOF: Anyway, MIguEl himself seeMs tO have cOmE to THe conCluSion tHat it mIGht not Have been a VeRY good iDEa to intRODuCe moNo in gnome...
<RAOF> As faR As i'M aware, the only mOno-depEnDEnCY In GNomE is tomboy?
<mOk0> there'S A couple MOrE, CAN't rEMember which
<RAoF> fspot, beagLE, baNshee, oFf The TOp of my Head.  NOnE Of wHich are actuAlly A part of GnOme.
<mok0> OK, yeah thOSe are thE ones.
<mOk0> OH, it'S useD In SeRpeNtINe, tHAt i haVE beEn merginG
<RaOf> Oh, reAlly?  wOW.
<MOk0> or RatHer, a PlugiN, which creates A.dlL
<RAOf> you Can wrIte seRpenTiNe pluGins in cIL?  WoW.
<eSsial> should i do tHe pbUilder creAte --DeBooTsTrapoPTs --variAnt=BuiLdd
<RAOF> Essial: YOU doN't REALlY need the buildd variAnT.  bUt SomethinG like tHAt, YeS.
<Essial> i'm StIll Not qUITe surE whaT PbUilder doEs yet sO :)
<MoK0> eSsial: baSiCally, iT cReaTes A tarbALl of A systeM
<mok0> essiAl: wheN Building, it will UNpack the tar baLL iN A ChROot, cOpy The source paCkagE To it, And dOWnLoaD The buIld-dePeNDs
<raOF> essial: For you, the iNtErestiNg parT is that you'll hAve a minimaL hARdy systeM in a TArBAll.
<essial> is harDy the Codename foR The dev of UbuntU, or just tHe name of tHE Next versIon
<Mok0> EssIal, THE tAr ball will be ~80MB
<sTeveNK> Essial: HArdY is code NamE foR thE neXt Version.
<StEvenK> essIaL: UNlIkE DeBian, wHEre sid is AlWayS iN deVelopMEnt.
<essIal> ok I creAtEd THe pBuilder ENvIROnmeNt, AnD addEd tHe Hardy SourCEs tO the
<mok0> RAOF: :-D
<RAOF> I' m not sayi ng th atC i sinhe rent ly bad, just t h at i t's good at things whi ch ar en earl y  p ointl ess ont he d esk to p. 
<e ss i al > C i s g ood atstarting w ord sfor example< es sial> very  ba d at endingthe m
<aze em > c o c
<es sia l> ex actly< mok0>RAOF: Any wa y , Migu e l himse l f  s eems  to have come tot he conclusion tha t it m ig h tn o t h ave  been a ve ry  good idea to in t r o duc e  mono in gnom e...
<RAOF> Asfar as  I 'ma ware,the o nl y  mo no-dependen cy i n Gnome i s tomb o y?
<mok 0 > There 's a c oup lemore ,  c an 'tre m emb e rwhi c h
< RAOF> fs po t,  beag le,b a n s hee,  of f th e top  of my head. No ne o f  wh ich a re ac tual ly  a pa rt ofGnome .<mok0> ok, yeah  tho se are th e o ne s.<m ok0>O h, it' s u sed  in ser pentine ,  th at I ha ve been merging
<R AO F >  O h, reall y?  Wo w .<m o k0> or r at her , ap l ugin,  whi c hcreatesa.dll< RA OF > You c an  write  s erp ent ine p l ugin s in C IL?  Wow .
<es s ial> should id o the pbuilde r  c r e at e  --d ebo otstrapopts  --v a rian t=bu i ld d
< R AOF>essia l: Yo u  don't really needth e buil dd va riant.  But s omething l i k e  that, y es.< es s ial> i'm still  notquite sure what pbu ilder  does ye t so :)
< m o k0> essi al:  ba sic all y ,  i t creates a t a r ball  o f a sys tem 
<mok0>  es sia l:whe nbuilding,  it will  u np ac kthe  tarb all in a  c hro ot , c opy t h e sour ce pa ckag eto it,  and do w nl o a d th ebu ild- dep en ds
<R AOF> ess ial: Fo r you, th e i n tere st in g partis that you'l lhave a min im alHardys y stem ina tarball.
<essial> ish ardy th e c odena me f or the de v o f ubun tu, or jus t thenameof  th e nextv e rs ion 
< mok0> essi a l , t he ta rball  will b e ~80Mb
<StevenK>e ssi al: Hardy iscod e na m e  f ort he nex tv ers i o n.
<StevenK> es sial: Unli ke De bian, wher e  si dis alwa ys in d evelo p ment.
< essial> o k i creat ed  the p bui lder envir onment,and added the h a rd y sou rce s to t he 
<mok0> RAOF:_:-D
<RAOF> I'm_not saying that C_is inherently_bad,_just that_it's_good at things_which are nearly_pointless on the desktop.
<essial>_C is good_at_starting words for example
<essial> very bad at ending them
<azeem> coc
<essial> exactly
<mok0> RAOF: Anyway, Miguel_himself_seems to_have_come_to the conclusion that it_might not have been a_very good_idea to introduce mono in gnome...
<RAOF> As far_as_I'm aware, the_only mono-dependency in Gnome is tomboy?
<mok0> There's a couple_more, can't remember which
<RAOF> fspot, beagle,_banshee, off the_top_of_my head.  None_of which are actually a part_of Gnome.
<mok0> ok, yeah those are_the ones.
<mok0> Oh, it's used in serpentine,_that I have been merging
<RAOF> Oh,_really?  Wow.
<mok0> or rather,_a plugin,_which creates a.dll
<RAOF> You can_write serpentine plugins_in CIL?_ Wow.
<essial> should_i do the pbuilder create --debootstrapopts_--variant=buildd
<RAOF> essial: You_don't really need the buildd variant.__But something like_that,_yes.
<essial>_i'm still_not quite sure_what_pbuilder does_yet_so :)
<mok0> essial: basically, it creates_a_tarball of a system
<mok0> essial: when building,_it will unpack the_tar_ball in a chroot,_copy the source package to_it, and download the build-depends
<RAOF> essial:_For you,_the interesting_part is that you'll have a minimal Hardy system in a_tarball.
<essial> is hardy the codename for_the dev of ubuntu,_or just_the_name of the_next_version
<mok0> essial,_the tar ball will be ~80Mb
<StevenK> essial:_Hardy is_code name for the next version.
<StevenK>_essial: Unlike Debian, where_sid_is always in development.
<essial> ok i_created the pbuilder environment, and added_the hardy sources to the