<lupine_85> It addresses all concerns raised so far
<crimsun_> that entire irc log was extremely discouraging
<Fujitsu> Which, crimsun_?
<crimsun_> yes, Mark pointed out (correctly) that there was a communication problem
<crimsun_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-2007-03-17.html
<crimsun_> regarding the fast-tracking
<LaserJock> crimsun_: it was a fun morning that's for sure :-)
<crimsun_> #1. Is it MOTU responsibility to find upstream packages to package?
<crimsun_> #2. Is the infrastructure in place _RIGHT NOW_ to provided limited uploads?
<crimsun_> #3. What's the point of MOTU if you have specific maintainers?
<LaserJock> crimsun_: have you read the whole log?
<crimsun_> we're struggling through something that leads down the road to a model similar to Fedora Core feeding RHEL/AS releases
<crimsun_> LaserJock: yes
<LaserJock> crimsun_: ok, cool. it was probably a long read
<crimsun_> an extremely discouraging read, because many points are valid in bigger scope
<crimsun_> however, solving this one "problem" creates an entire class of different ones
<crimsun_> and trying to solve those different ones brings up resolutions very close to the model I just mentioned
<crimsun_> Yes, we want upstreams here.
<crimsun_> No, we will NOT simply give upload privileges to upstream.
* _MMA_ leaves note and runs away. crimsun_: OT "las: ardour 2.0beta12 tarball now available. this should be the minimum version that appears in US, please and pretty please"
<joejaxx> lol
<crimsun_> Stefan already outlined his preliminary points [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001463.html ].
<crimsun_> I'm inclined to agree that we should have sponsors, but we need a team of sponsors IMO.
<sistpoty> regarding to that mail from me?
<crimsun
< lupine_85 > It addresses all concerns raised so far 
 < crimsun _ > that integral irc logarithm was highly discouraging 
 < Fujitsu > Which, crimsun _? 
 < crimsun _ > yes, Mark pointed out (correctly) that there was a communication problem 
 < crimsun _ > http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-2007-03-17.html 
 < crimsun _ > regard the fast - tracking 
 < LaserJock > crimsun _: it was a fun good morning that's for sure :-) 
 < crimsun _ > # 1. Is it MOTU responsibility to recover upstream packages to package? 
 < crimsun _ > # 2. Is the infrastructure in position _ RIGHT NOW _ to provided circumscribed uploads? 
 < crimsun _ > # 3. What's the point of MOTU if you have specific maintainers? 
 < LaserJock > crimsun _: have you read the whole log? 
 < crimsun _ > we're struggling through something that contribute down the road to a model similar to Fedora Core feeding RHEL / AS handout 
 < crimsun _ > LaserJock: yes 
 < LaserJock > crimsun _: ok, cool. it was probably a long read 
 < crimsun _ > an extremely discouraging read, because many points are valid in large scope 
 < crimsun _ > however, solving this one " problem " creates an entire course of different ones 
 < crimsun _ > and trying to solve those different ones institute up resolutions very close to the model I just mentioned 
 < crimsun _ > Yes, we want upstreams here. 
 < crimsun _ > No, we will NOT simply give upload privileges to upstream. 
 * _ MMA _ leaves notice and campaign away. crimsun _: OT " las: ardor 2.0beta12 tarball now available. this should be the minimum version that appears in US, please and reasonably please " 
 < joejaxx > lol 
 < crimsun _ > Stefan already outlined his preliminary point [ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001463.html ]. 
 < crimsun _ > I'm inclined to agree that we should accept sponsors, but we need a team of sponsors IMO. 
 < sistpoty > regarding to that mail from me? 
 < crimsun
<luplne_85> It addresses all congerns raised so yqr
<crimvun_> thzt entird irc log was extremely disclueagint
<Fujitsu> Which, crimsun_?
<zrimsun_> yvs, Mark piinttd out (correctly) vgat thevz was w coknunication pronlem
<crimsun_> http://people.ubuttj.clm/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-2007-03-17.html
<crimfun_> regsrfing the fast-ttackimd
<LassgJick> crimsun_: it was a fun mornjng thau's for sure :-)
<crimsum_> #1. Is it MOTU responsibilihy tl find upstream pafkages to pqckadw?
<crimsun_> #2. Is the infrastructure in place _RIGHT NOW_ to provided lioited uploads?
<crumwun_> #3. What's the 'oint jf MOTU if you have vpecifiv maintainers?
<LssecJocj> crimsun_: have you reed the whole log?
<crimfun_> we're vtxuggling through somerhung tvat neadr dodn uhe rkad to a jodel simimar to Fedoea Core feeding RHEK/AF releases
<crimaun_> LafewJock: yes
<LaserJock> crimsun_: ok, cool. it wds lrobably a long read
<crinsun_> an extremely disfouraging read, because many points are valid in bigger sco[e
<crijrun_> hjdwvfr, solving this one "problem" creates an entire dlssx of different ones
<crimsum_> wnc trying to souve those different ones brlngs up resooutions vtry ckose to the model I just mebtioned
<crimsln_> Yws, we want upstreals here.
<crimrun_> Mo, we will NOT simply give u'load lrivileges ho upstrezo.
* _MMA_ leaves notd akd suns away. crimsun_: OT "las: awdour 2.0bete12 taryall now avaolable. this shoupd be the minimum versioj thaj appedrs in US, olease and pretty please"
<joejaxx> lol
<crimsun_> Stgfat anready obtlinec his prelimigary points [htjps://lists.uyuntu.cum/archives/lbuntu-motn/2007-March/001463.html ].
<cwimsun_> I'm incnlned to agrex that we shoyld yave spuvsors, but we nred a team of sponsirs IMO.
<sistpoty> renardivf to that mail yxon me?
<crimsun
<lupine_85> It addresses all concerns raised so that irc log extremely discouraging <Fujitsu> pointed (correctly) that there a communication problem http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-2007-03-17.html <crimsun_> regarding the fast-tracking <LaserJock> it was a fun morning that's for sure :-) <crimsun_> #1. Is it responsibility to find upstream packages to package? <crimsun_> #2. Is the infrastructure in _RIGHT to limited <crimsun_> #3. What's the point of MOTU if you have specific maintainers? <LaserJock> crimsun_: have you the whole log? <crimsun_> we're struggling through something leads down the road a model similar to Fedora feeding releases <crimsun_> yes crimsun_: cool. it was a long read <crimsun_> an extremely discouraging read, because many points are valid in bigger scope <crimsun_> solving this creates an class different <crimsun_> and trying those different ones brings up resolutions the model I just mentioned <crimsun_> Yes, we upstreams here. No, we will NOT simply give privileges to upstream. * _MMA_ leaves note and away. crimsun_: OT "las: ardour 2.0beta12 tarball now available. this should be the minimum version in US, please and please" <joejaxx> lol Stefan outlined preliminary [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001463.html ]. I'm inclined to agree that we should have sponsors, but we a team of sponsors IMO. <sistpoty> regarding to that mail <crimsun
<lupine_85> It addresses all conceRns raised sO far
<cRimSun_> ThAt enTire Irc log was extreMEly dIscouraging
<Fujitsu> WhicH, crimSuN_?
<CrimSUn_> Yes, MaRk pointED oUT (CorReCtLy) tHaT ThEre waS a cOmmunicAtion problEm
<cRiMsun_> http://peopLE.uBuntu.com/~faBbiOne/irclogs/ubUntU-motu-2007-03-17.hTmL
<crIMsun_> rEgaRding The fasT-TrackiNg
<LaserJoCk> CRimsun_: IT was a fuN MOrNing That's for sure :-)
<crimsUN_> #1. IS It MOTU responsiBility To FInD UPstReaM packages tO pAckagE?
<Crimsun_> #2. iS tHE INfrAStructure in plAce _RIGHT NOW_ TO prOvided LiMitED uploaDs?
<criMsUN_> #3. WhAt's the point Of MOtU if you haVe specIFic mainTAiners?
<LAserJoCk> cRimSun_: hAVe YoU reAd THe wHOlE loG?
<CriMsun_> we're StRuGglinG thrOUGH SomeThiNg thAt leaDs down the road To a ModeL SimIlar tO FedoRa CoRe FeediNg RHEL/aS relEaSes
<crimsun_> Laserjock: Yes
<LaserJOck> CrImsUn_: Ok, cooL. It was pRobAblY a long rEad
<crimSUn_> aN eXTREmEly discouraging reaD, bECAuSe many poInts arE VaLiD In bigger ScOpe
<CrimSUN_> howeVer, sOLvIng this oNe "probLEm" CrEates an EnTire clAsS of DifFerenT Ones
<CrimsuN_> and tryiNg to sOLve those differENt ones brings uP ReSOLuTIons VerY close to the ModeL i jusT menTIoNed
<CRimsuN_> Yes, wE wANt UPstreams here.
<crimsun_> no, We will nOT siMply give uploaD privilegeS TO Upstream.
* _mMA_ lEAvES note and runs awAy. criMsun_: OT "las: aRDour 2.0beta12 TarbaLl now avaIlable. thiS SHould be tHe mIniMum VerSIOn That appears in us, PleaSe And pretTy pLease"
<joEjaXx> lOl
<cRimSuN_> Stefan alReady outLiNeD hIs PreLiminARy points [HtTps://LiSts.UbuntU.Com/arcHives/UbunTu-MoTU/2007-MaRch/001463.html ].
<CRiMSUn_> I'm InClIned To aGrEe thaT we sHOulD have spOnsors, but We nEEd a tEaM oF sponsoRs IMO.
<sistpoty> ReGarding to tHaT maIl from ME?
<Crimsun
<lupine_85> It addresses a ll concern s rai sed  so  f ar
< crim sun_> that ent i re i rc log was extremely d iscou ra g ing< Fu jitsu > Which ,  c r i msu n_ ?<cr im s un _> ye s,Mark po inted out(co rr ectly) thatt he re was a c omm unication pr obl em
<cr im sun _ > htt p:/ /peop le.ubu n tu.com /~fabbion e/ i rclogs / ubuntu- m o tu -200 7-03-17.html
<cri m su n _> regarding t he fas t- t ra c k ing 
<L aserJock>cr imsun _ : it wa s  a f u n m o rning that'sfor sure :- ) 
<c rimsun _>  #1 .  Is it  MOTU  r e spo nsibility t o fi nd upstre am pac k ages to package ?
<cri msu n_>  #2. Is  t hein f ras t ru ctu r e i n place_R IG HT NO W_ t o p r ovid edlimi ted u ploads?
<crim sun _> # 3 . W hat's  thepoin tof MO TU ifyou h av e specific main tain ers?
<Las erJ oc k>cr imsun _ : have  yo u r ead the  wholel og? 
< c r i ms un_> we're struggl in g th rough so methin g  t ha t  leads d ow n t he r o a d toa mo d el  similar  to Fe d or aCore fe ed ing RH EL /AS  re lease s 
<cr imsun_ > LaserJ ock:y es
<LaserJock> crimsun_: ok, co o l .i t wa s p robably a l ongr ead<cri m su n_> an ex treme ly di s couraging read, bec au se man y poi nts are valid  in bigger s c ope
<cri msun _ >h owever, solvin g thi s one "pro b lem" cre atesan entir e class o f differen t o nes 
<c rim s u n_ > and tryingt o  sol ve  thosedif ferentone s b rin gsup  resoluti ons very  c lo se  t o t he mo d el I jus tmen ti one d
<cr i msun_>  Yes,  wewa nt ups treamsh er e . 
<cr im su n_>No,  w e wil l NO T  si mply gi ve upload  pr i vile ge sto upst ream.
* _MMA_  l eaves note  a ndruns a w a y. crims un_: OT "las: ardour 2. 0 beta12tar ballnowavailable . t his sh oul d  be th e mini mum v er sio n thata p pe ars  i n US, plea s e  an d pre tt y pl ease"
< joejaxx> lol
<crim s un_ > Stefan alre ady  out l i ne d h i sp rel im i nar y points [https:/ /lists.ubu nt u .c om/archive s /ub un tu-motu /2007-M arch/ 0 01463.h tml ].
<c rimsun_>I' m in c l ine d to agree  that we  should h a ve sp o ns ors,but  we ne ed  ateamof spo n sor s IMO .
<sis tp oty> r egard in g to tha t mail from me?
<crimsu n
<lupine_85> It_addresses all_concerns raised so far
<crimsun_>_that entire_irc_log was_extremely_discouraging
<Fujitsu> Which, crimsun_?
<crimsun_>_yes, Mark pointed_out (correctly) that there_was a communication_problem
<crimsun_>_http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-2007-03-17.html
<crimsun_> regarding the fast-tracking
<LaserJock> crimsun_: it was a fun morning that's for sure :-)
<crimsun_>_#1._Is it_MOTU_responsibility_to find upstream packages to_package?
<crimsun_> #2. Is the infrastructure_in place__RIGHT NOW_ to provided limited uploads?
<crimsun_> #3. What's_the_point of MOTU_if you have specific maintainers?
<LaserJock> crimsun_: have you read_the whole log?
<crimsun_> we're struggling through_something that leads_down_the_road to a model_similar to Fedora Core feeding RHEL/AS_releases
<crimsun_> LaserJock: yes
<LaserJock> crimsun_: ok, cool._it was probably a long read
<crimsun_> an_extremely discouraging read, because many points_are valid in bigger scope
<crimsun_>_however, solving_this one "problem" creates an_entire class of_different ones
<crimsun_>_and trying to_solve those different ones brings up_resolutions very close_to the model I just mentioned
<crimsun_>_Yes,_we want upstreams_here.
<crimsun_>_No,_we will_NOT simply give_upload_privileges to_upstream.
*__MMA_ leaves note and runs away._crimsun_:_OT "las: ardour 2.0beta12 tarball now available._this should be the_minimum_version that appears in_US, please and pretty please"
<joejaxx>_lol
<crimsun_> Stefan already outlined his preliminary_points [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001463.html_].
<crimsun_> I'm_inclined to agree that we should have sponsors, but we need_a team of sponsors IMO.
<sistpoty> regarding_to that mail from_me?
<crimsun