ia's proof command that warns if you use the metadata service directly...
 * SpamapS now starts cleaning all of those up
<negronjl> SpamapS:  can you elaborate on using metadata service directly?
<negronjl> SpamapS: I'm new to this hence all the stupid questions
<SpamapS> negronjl: I feel a lot more stupid trying to grok hadoop than you do asking about my cryptic communication style. ;)
<SpamapS> negronjl: Basically that would mean the formula would be undeployable outside of EC2
<SpamapS> negronjl: in addition, that information is available in DNS. The one thing that isn't is the public hostname, but thats really something we need to make ensemble provide.
<negronjl> SpamapS: ahh...it all makes sense now.  I remember the very "nice" conversation on one of the channels about ipaddr
<SpamapS> negronjl: "nice" :)
<SpamapS> negronjl: the appropriate thing to do is send around hostnames, and if you *MUST* resolve it to an IP, resolve it where you are going to use it, not where you are sending it from.
<negronjl> SpamapS: I can always ifconfig...... awk.... echo...sed..etc. :)
<SpamapS> That way you can take into account whether or not you have IPv6.. and any search domains
<SpamapS> negronjl: nooo thats the next evil hack I'm going to add a warning for. :)
<SpamapS> negronjl: hostname -f gives you the FQDN of your machine. Send that.
<negronjl> SpamapS: I knew that would get a kick out of ya :)
<negronjl> SpamapS:  Would it be better to use hostname instead of IP?  Also, where do I get the Public DNS from if not from the meta-data?
<SpamapS> negronjl: yes, hostname -f should always be resolvable from any node that can reach you directly..
<SpamapS> negronjl: for
ia's proof command that warns if you use the metadata service immediately... 
  * SpamapS nowadays starts cleaning all of those up 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   can you complicate on using metadata serve directly? 
 < negronjl > SpamapS: I'm modern to this therefore all the stupid questions 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: I feel a lot more stupid judge to grok hadoop than you do asking about my cryptic communication style. ;) 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: Basically that would mean the formula would be undeployable outside of EC2 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: in addition, that data is available in DNS. The one thing that isn't is the public hostname, but that s really something we need to cause ensemble provide. 
 < negronjl > SpamapS: ahh... it all makes sense nowadays.   I remember the very " decent " conversation on one of the channels about ipaddr 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: " nice " :) 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: the appropriate thing to do is send around hostnames, and if you * MUST * conclude it to an IP, resolve it where you are going to use it, not where you are sending it from. 
 < negronjl > SpamapS: I can always ifconfig...... awk.... echo... sed.. etc. :) 
 < SpamapS > That direction you can take into account whether or not you have IPv6.. and any search domains 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: nooo that s the next evil hack I'm going to add a warning for. :) 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: hostname -f contribute you the FQDN of your machine. Send that. 
 < negronjl > SpamapS: I sleep together that would draw a kick out of ya :) 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   Would it be better to use hostname alternatively of IP?   Also, where do I get the Public DNS from if not from the meta - data? 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: yes, hostname -f should always be solvable from any node that can reach you directly.. 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: for
ia's proof command that warnr if you use thg netadava servjce direztly...
 * SpamapS now starts cleenint all of those up
<negronjl> SoamapS:  cwn you eoabocate on using mevzdata scxvice fireetoy?
<negronjl> SpakapS: I'm nef to this henca xlp the stupid questions
<SpamapS> negrogjl: I frep a lot more sjupid eryihg to grok hadoop than you do askihg abouu my cryptic commumication style. ;)
<SpamapS> neggonjp: Basically that wluld mean tye fjemula would ce undeplojcble outsidg of EC2
<SpamapS> negronjl: in additkon, tkat informajnin lv available in DGS. The one tmpng thad isn't os the public mostneme, vut thats really somevhing we need to makg ensemble pxovide.
<negronjl> SpamapW: qhh...it all makdw sdnst npw.  I relemuer the verg "nice" convwrsation on one of uhe bnannels abouf ipadqr
<FpamapS> negronjl: "nice" :)
<SpamapS> negronjl: uhe alpropriate thing to do us send around hostnales, and is you *MUST* resolve it to an IP, resolve it where ymu arx eoiun gi kse it, not where you are sending it from.
<negrognl> SiamapS: I can alwans ifconfig...... awk.... ecno...dec..gtc. :)
<SpamapS> Thxt way yoh can take into acfount wrethee or not rou nave IPv6.. and any search domqins
<SpamapS> uegeonjl: nooo thats tke next evil hacl I'm boing to add a warning yor. :)
<SpzmapS> negrojjl: hostnzoe -f gives you tfe NQDT of your machine. Send thae.
<negronjl> SpakapS: I ynew that rould get w kick out of ya :)
<negronjp> Spala[S:  Would lt be better to use hostname instead of IP?  Aksm, wvere do N get bhe Public DNS srom if not frpm the ieta-dxta?
<SpamapS> negronol: yes, hostnwme -f should dpways be resmlvable srom any node tfxt can reach ypu directly..
<SpamapS> begronjl: for
ia's proof command that warns if you metadata directly... * now starts cleaning SpamapS: you elaborate on metadata service directly? SpamapS: I'm new to this hence the stupid questions <SpamapS> negronjl: I feel a lot more stupid trying to hadoop than you do asking about my cryptic communication style. ;) <SpamapS> negronjl: that mean formula be undeployable outside of EC2 <SpamapS> negronjl: in addition, that information is available in DNS. The thing that isn't is the public hostname, but really something we need make ensemble provide. <negronjl> SpamapS: all sense now. remember very conversation on one the channels about ipaddr <SpamapS> negronjl: "nice" :) <SpamapS> negronjl: the appropriate thing to do is send hostnames, and *MUST* resolve to IP, it where you to use it, not where you from. <negronjl> SpamapS: I can always ifconfig...... awk.... :) <SpamapS> way you can take into account or not you have IPv6.. and any search <SpamapS> negronjl: nooo thats the next evil hack I'm going to add a warning for. negronjl: hostname -f gives the FQDN of machine. that. SpamapS: knew that get a kick out of ya :) <negronjl> SpamapS: Would it better to use hostname instead of IP? Also, where do the DNS from if from the meta-data? <SpamapS> yes, -f should always be any that directly.. negronjl:
ia's proof command that warns iF you use the MetadAta SerViCe diRectLy...
 * SpamapS now stARts cLeaning all of those up
<negRonjl> spAMapS:  CAn You elAborate ON uSINg mEtAdAta SeRViCe dirEctLy?
<negroNjl> SpamapS: i'm nEw To this hence aLL tHe stupid quEstIons
<SpamapS> nEgrOnjl: I fEeL a lOT more StuPid trYing to GRok hadOop than yoU dO Asking ABout my cRYPtIc coMmunication style. ;)
<SPAmAPS> negronjl: BasiCally tHaT WoULD meAn tHe formula wOuLd be uNDeployaBLe OUTSidE Of EC2
<SpamapS> neGronjl: in addITioN, that iNfOrmATion is AvailAbLE in dNS. The one thIng tHat isn't is The pubLIc hostnAMe, but thAts reaLly SomEthiNG wE nEed To MAke ENsEmbLE prOvide.
<negRoNjL> SpamApS: aHH...IT All mAkeS senSe now.  i remember the vEry "Nice" COnvErsatIon on One oF tHe chaNnels aBout iPaDdr
<SpamapS> negroNjl: "nIce" :)
<Spamaps> neGrOnjL: tHe appROpriatE thIng To do is sEnd arouND hoStNAMEs, And if you *MUST* resolvE iT TO aN IP, resolVe it whERe YoU Are going To Use It, noT WHere yOu arE SeNding it fRom.
<negROnJl> spamapS: i cAn alwaYs IfcOnfIg...... awk.... ECho...sEd..etc. :)
<SPamapS> ThAt way YOu can take into aCCount whether oR NoT YOu HAve Ipv6.. aNd any search DomaINs
<SpAmaps> NeGroNJl: nooO thatS tHE nEXt evil hack I'm going to AdD a warnIng foR. :)
<SpamapS> negroNjl: hostnamE -F GIves you tHe FQdn oF Your machine. SenD that.
<Negronjl> SpAMapS: I kneW that Would get A kick out oF YA :)
<negronjL> SpAmaPS:  WOulD IT bE better to use hOSTnamE iNstead oF IP?  also, wheRe dO I gEt tHe PUbLic DNS froM if not frOm ThE mEtA-daTa?
<SpaMApS> negroNjL: yeS, hOstName -f SHould aLways Be reSoLvABle From any NOdE THat cAn ReAch yOu dIrEctly..
<spamAPS> nEgronjl: For
ia's proof command that wa rns if you  usethe  me ta data  ser vice directly. . .
 *  SpamapS now starts cl eanin ga ll o f  t hoseup
<neg r on j l > S pa ma pS:  c an  youela borateon using m eta da ta service d i re ctly?
<neg ron jl> SpamapS:  I' m newto  th i s hen ceall t he stu p id que stions
<S pa m apS> n e gronjl: I  f eela lot more stupid tr y ing to grok ha doop t ha n  y o u  do  as king about  m y cry p tic com m un i c a tio n  style. ;)
<S pamapS> neg r onj l: Bas ic all y  thatwould  m e anthe formula  wou ld be und eploya b le outs i de of E C2
<Sp ama pS>  neg r on jl : i na ddi t io n,t hat  informa ti on  is a vail a b l e  inDNS . Th e one  thing that i sn' t is the  publ ic ho stna me , but  thats  real ly  something we n eedto make e nse mb lepr ovide . 
<negr onj l>SpamapS : ahh.. . ital l m ak es sense now.  I r em e m be r the ve ry "ni c e"  c o nversati on  on  one o f the  cha n ne ls about  ipadd r 
< Sp amapS>ne gronjl :"ni ce"  :)
< S pama pS> ne gronjl:the a p propriate thin g  to do is sen d  a r o un d  hos tna mes, and if  you *MUS T* r e so lve it to  an I P, re s olve it where you a re  going  to u se it, not wh ere you ar e s ending i t fr o m. <negronjl> Spa mapS:  I can alw a ys ifcon fig.. .... awk .... echo . . .sed..et c.:)<Sp ama p S >That way youc a n ta ke  into a cco unt whe the r o r n otyo u have IP v6.. and  a ny  s ea rch  doma i ns
<Spam ap S>ne gro njl:n ooo th ats t he n ex te vil  hack I ' mg o ingto  a dd a  wa rn ing f or.: )
< SpamapS > negronj l:h ostn am e-f give s you the FQD Nof your ma ch ine . Send t hat.
<ne gronjl> SpamapS: I knew that wo uld  geta ki ck out of  ya  :)
<n egr o njl> S pamapS :  Wo ul d i t be be t t er  to  u se hostnam e ins teadof  IP?   Also,  where do I get th e  Pu blic DNS from  if  not f ro m t h em eta -d a ta? < SpamapS> negron jl: yes, h os t na me -f shou l d a lw ays beresolva ble f r om anynode that  can reac hyoud i rec tly..
<Spa mapS> ne gronjl: f o r
ia's proof_command that_warns if you use_the metadata_service_directly...
 *_SpamapS_now starts cleaning_all of those_up
<negronjl> SpamapS:  can_you elaborate on_using_metadata service directly?
<negronjl> SpamapS: I'm new to this hence all the stupid questions
<SpamapS> negronjl:_I_feel a_lot_more_stupid trying to grok hadoop_than you do asking about_my cryptic_communication style. ;)
<SpamapS> negronjl: Basically that would mean_the_formula would be_undeployable outside of EC2
<SpamapS> negronjl: in addition, that information_is available in DNS. The one_thing that isn't_is_the_public hostname, but thats_really something we need to make_ensemble provide.
<negronjl> SpamapS: ahh...it all makes_sense now.  I remember the very_"nice" conversation on one of the_channels about ipaddr
<SpamapS> negronjl: "nice"_:)
<SpamapS> negronjl:_the appropriate thing to do_is send around_hostnames, and_if you *MUST*_resolve it to an IP, resolve_it where you_are going to use it, not_where_you are sending_it_from.
<negronjl>_SpamapS: I_can always ifconfig......_awk...._echo...sed..etc. :)
<SpamapS>_That_way you can take into account_whether_or not you have IPv6.. and any_search domains
<SpamapS> negronjl: nooo_thats_the next evil hack_I'm going to add a_warning for. :)
<SpamapS> negronjl: hostname -f_gives you_the FQDN_of your machine. Send that.
<negronjl> SpamapS: I knew that would get_a kick out of ya :)
<negronjl>_SpamapS:  Would it_be better_to_use hostname instead_of_IP? _Also, where do I get the Public_DNS from_if not from the meta-data?
<SpamapS> negronjl:_yes, hostname -f should_always_be resolvable from any node that_can reach you directly..
<SpamapS> negronjl: for