> yup
<niemeyer> Which means there isn't a guy bashing the enter key and screaming "FASTER! FASTER!" on the other side.
<kim0> niemeyer: would having an interactive ensemble tool help
<niemeyer> kim0: A bit.. not much
<niemeyer> kim0: Reducing the number of roundtrips is the real win
<kim0> yeah
<m_3> it certainly seems like it'd be cool to have an 'ensh' interactive shell
<m_3> but I don't know the real utility of that other than blocking commands to give the user feedback and maybe sense of control
<kim0> maybe it could have a replica of the zk environment? would that help a lot overcome high latency networks?
<m_3> not important
 * kim0 never used zk, and is getting ready for random things to be thrown at him :)
<m_3> zk docs even call them zk "ensembles"
<kim0> hehe
<niemeyer> kim0: Brilliant stuff in the tutorial
<kim0> yeah more exposure to docs basically
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: ping
<jimbaker`> niemeyer, hi
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: Hey man
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: What's up there?
<jimbaker`> niemeyer, looks like it's another nice day here in colorado
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: Nice :-)
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: I'm review the expose branches, and would just like to bring up an idea about function naming
<jimbaker`> niemeyer, sounds good
<jimbaker`> definitely would like to hear any ideas on such things, the provision code had to come up with a number, and they probably can be improved
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: If I tell you something like.. hmmmm.. "Can you please check the schedule?", what kind of assumption can you make?
<jimbaker`> we are probably dealing with issues around time, or more generally events
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: Right, but it's pretty hard to figure what I'm trying to figure, right?
<niemeyer> jimb
> yup 
 < niemeyer > Which means there isn't a guy bashing the enter key and scream " FASTER! quicker! " on the other side. 
 < kim0 > niemeyer: would experience an interactional ensemble tool help 
 < niemeyer > kim0: A morsel.. not much 
 < niemeyer > kim0: repress the number of roundtrips is the actual win 
 < kim0 > yeah 
 < m_3 > it certainly seem like it'd be cool to have an' ensh' interactive plate 
 < m_3 > but I don't acknowledge the real utility of that other than blocking commands to move over the user feedback and maybe sense of command 
 < kim0 > maybe it could have a replica of the zk environment? would that help a lot get the better of high latency networks? 
 < m_3 > not important 
  * kim0 never used zk, and is catch ready for random things to be thrown at him :) 
 < m_3 > zk docs even call them zk " ensemble " 
 < kim0 > hehe 
 < niemeyer > kim0: brainy stuff in the tutorial 
 < kim0 > yeah more exposure to docs basically 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker `: ping 
 < jimbaker '> niemeyer, hi 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker `: Hey man 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker `: What's up there? 
 < jimbaker '> niemeyer, looks like it's another nice sidereal day here in colorado 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker `: Nice :-) 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker `: I'm review the expose branches, and would barely like to bring up an idea about affair naming 
 < jimbaker '> niemeyer, sounds good 
 < jimbaker '> decidedly would like to learn any ideas on such things, the planning code had to come up with a number, and they probably can be improved 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker `: If I tell you something like.. hmmmm.. " Can you please check the schedule? ", what kind of assumption can you make? 
 < jimbaker '> we are probably dealing with exit around clock time, or more generally events 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker `: Right, but it's pretty hard to figure what I'm try to figure, right? 
 < niemeyer > jimb
> yuo
<niemeyer> Which means thtre isn't a guy bashing tie ented key ana screaming "FASTER! FASTER!" on tye otyer side.
<kim0> niemeyer: wuuld havijg an inrerartive ensemble tool help
<knemeysv> kim0: E bit.. not much
<nlemeyer> kim0: Reducing the tuobzr of roundtrips is the real win
<kim0> reah
<m_3> iy fertainly seemf lilq it's be cool to have an 'ensh' interactjve shenl
<m_3> but I don'y know the real utility of thah other than blocklng commandw to tive the usef feedback and maybe sgnse of control
<kim0> maybe it coula havz a replica od tjg zk environnent? rould that hckp a lmt overvome high latekcy nxtwoeks?
<m_3> not important
 * kmm0 never used zk, and is gettitg ready for random tyings to te tfeowv au hmm :)
<j_3> zk dlcs even call them zk "enwembles"
<kim0> hehe
<niemtyew> kim0: Brillianf stufs yn the tutorial
<kim0> yeah more exposure tm dkcs basically
<niemeyer> jumbaker`: ping
<jimbaker`> jiemeyer, ri
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: Hey man
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: What'v up vhdre?
<llicqkfr`> niemeyer, looks like it's another nice day hqde ik colorado
<niemeycr> jimbaker`: Nice :-)
<noeleugr> jimbaker`: I'm reviec tge expose branches, and woold juwt like tj brong up an idea about functiin naming
<jimyakwr`> niemeyer, sounds good
<jimbakzr`> defoniteky would like to hear auy idezs on such hhings, ths provision code fad tm come uk with a number, anq they pribabky can ce ikproveq
<niemeyer> uimbaker`: If I tell you slmethnng lhke.. hmmmm.. "Fan you please check the schedule?", what kind og dsslmption ccn you make?
<jimbaker`> we are probabky dealnng wigh issues zround vime, or more generally evajts
<niemeyer> oimbaker`: Wighr, bur it's pfdtty hard to fogure whan N'm trying to figure, right?
<nicmeyet> nimb
> yup <niemeyer> Which means there isn't bashing enter key screaming "FASTER! FASTER!" niemeyer: having an interactive tool help <niemeyer> A bit.. not much <niemeyer> kim0: the number of roundtrips is the real win <kim0> yeah <m_3> it certainly like it'd be cool to have an 'ensh' interactive shell <m_3> but I know real of other than blocking commands to give the user feedback and maybe sense of control <kim0> maybe could have a replica of the zk environment? that help a lot high latency networks? <m_3> not * never used and getting for random things be thrown at him :) <m_3> zk docs even call them zk "ensembles" <kim0> hehe <niemeyer> kim0: stuff in <kim0> yeah exposure docs <niemeyer> jimbaker`: ping hi <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Hey man <niemeyer> there? <jimbaker`> niemeyer, looks like it's another nice here in <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Nice :-) <niemeyer> jimbaker`: review the expose branches, and would just like bring up an idea about function naming <jimbaker`> niemeyer, sounds good <jimbaker`> definitely would like any ideas on such the provision code to up a and they can be improved <niemeyer> jimbaker`: If I tell you something like.. "Can you please check the schedule?", what kind of assumption make? we are probably with issues around time, more events <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Right, pretty to trying figure, <niemeyer> jimb
> yup
<niemeyer> Which means therE isn't a guy bAshinG thE enTeR key And sCreaming "FASTER! faSTEr!" on the other side.
<kim0> niemEyer: wOuLD havINg An intEractivE EnSEMblE tOoL heLp
<NIeMeyer> Kim0: a bit.. not Much
<niemeyEr> kIm0: reducing the nUMbEr of roundtRipS is the real wiN
<kiM0> yeah
<m_3> It CerTAinly SeeMs likE it'd be COol to hAve an 'ensh' InTEractiVE shell
<m_3> BUT I Don't Know the real utilitY Of THat other than blOcking CoMMaNDS to GivE the user feEdBack aND maybe sENsE OF ConTRol
<kim0> maybe it Could have a rEPliCa of thE zK enVIronmeNt? wouLd THat Help a lot oveRcomE high lateNcy netWOrks?
<m_3> noT ImportaNt
 * kim0 nEveR usEd zk, ANd Is GetTiNG reADy For RAndOm things To Be ThrowN at hIM :)
<M_3> ZK docS evEn caLl theM zk "ensembles"
<kIm0> hEhe
<nIEmeYer> kiM0: BrilLianT sTuff iN the tuToriaL
<kIm0> yeah more exposUre tO docs basiCalLy
<NieMeYer> jiMBaker`: pIng
<JimBaker`> niEmeyer, hI
<NieMeYER> JiMbaker`: Hey man
<niemeyEr> JIMbAker`: What'S up theRE?
<jImBAker`> niemEyEr, lOoks LIKe it's AnotHEr Nice day hEre in cOLoRaDo
<niemeYeR> jimbaKeR`: NiCe :-)
<nIemeyER> jimBaker`: I'M review tHe expOSe branches, and wOUld just like to BRiNG Up AN ideA abOut function NamiNG
<jimBakeR`> NiEmeYEr, souNds goOd
<JImBAker`> definitely would LiKe to heAr any Ideas on such thIngs, the proVISIon code hAd to COmE Up with a number, aNd theY probably cAN be improVed
<niEmeyer> jiMbaker`: If I TELl you somEthIng LikE.. hmMMM.. "CAn you please chECK the ScHedule?", wHat Kind of aSsuMptIon Can YoU make?
<jimbAker`> we arE pRoBaBlY deAling WIth issueS aRouNd TimE, or moRE generAlly eVentS
<nIeMEyeR> jimbakER`: RIGHt, buT iT's PretTy hArD to fiGure WHat i'm tryinG to figure, RigHT?
<nieMeYeR> jimb
> yup
<niemeyer> Which mea ns there i sn'ta g uyba shin g th e enter key an d  scr eaming "FASTER! FASTER !" on  t h e ot h er  side .
<kim0 >  n i e mey er :wou ld ha vinganinterac tive ensem ble  t ool help
<ni e me yer> kim0:  Abit.. not mu ch<nieme ye r>k im0:Red ucing  the n u mber o f roundtr ip s  is th e  real w i n 
< kim0 > yeah
<m_3> it c e rt a inly seems lik e it'd  b e  c o o l t o h ave an 'en sh ' int e ractive sh e l l 
<m _ 3> but I don' t know ther eal  utili ty  of that o therth a n b locking com mand s to give  the u s er feed b ack and  maybe  se nse  ofc on tr ol<k i m0> ma ybe itcould ha ve  a  repl icao f t he z k e nvir onmen t? would that  he lp a lot  over comehigh  l atenc y netw orks? 
< m_3> not import ant * kim0 n eve ruse dzk, a n d is g ett ing  readyfor ran d omth i n g sto be thrown at hi m: ) 
< m_3> zkdocs e v en  c a ll themzk  "e nsem b l es"
< kim0 >  h ehe
<nie meyer> ki m0 : Brill ia nt stu ff  in  th e tut o rial 
<kim0 > yeah m ore e x posure to docs basically
<ni e me y e r> jimb ake r`: ping
<j imba k er`>  nie m ey er, hi
<n iemey er >  j i mbaker`: Hey man
<n ie meyer>  jimb aker`: What's  up there? < j imbaker` > ni e me y er, looks like  it's  another n i ce day h ere i n colora do
<nieme y e r> jimba ker `:Nic e : - ) 
< niemeyer> jim b a ker` :I'm rev iew  the ex pos e b ran che s,  and woul d just l ik eto  b rin g upa n idea a bo utfu nct ion n a ming
< jimba ker` >ni e mey er, sou n ds g ood<j im bake r`>  d efini tely wou ld like  to hearany idea son  such t hings, the pr ov ision code  h adto com e up witha number, and they prob a bly can  be  impr oved 
<niemeye r>jimbak er` :  If Itell y ou so me thi n g  like . .  h mmm m. . "Can you p lea se ch ec k th e sched ule?", what kind o f  as sumption canyou  mak e ? 
< jim b ak e r`>  w e  ar e probably dealin g with iss ue s  a round time ,  or  m ore gen erallyevent s 
<nieme yer> jimb aker`: Ri gh t, b u t  it 's prettyhard tofigure wh a t I'm tr yingtofigure ,rig ht?
< niemey e r>jimb
> yup
<niemeyer>_Which means_there isn't a guy_bashing the_enter_key and_screaming_"FASTER! FASTER!" on_the other side.
<kim0>_niemeyer: would having an_interactive ensemble tool_help
<niemeyer>_kim0: A bit.. not much
<niemeyer> kim0: Reducing the number of roundtrips is the real_win
<kim0>_yeah
<m_3> it_certainly_seems_like it'd be cool to_have an 'ensh' interactive shell
<m_3>_but I_don't know the real utility of that other_than_blocking commands to_give the user feedback and maybe sense of control
<kim0>_maybe it could have a replica_of the zk_environment?_would_that help a lot_overcome high latency networks?
<m_3> not important
_* kim0 never used zk, and_is getting ready for random things to_be thrown at him :)
<m_3> zk_docs even call them zk_"ensembles"
<kim0> hehe
<niemeyer>_kim0: Brilliant stuff in the_tutorial
<kim0> yeah more_exposure to_docs basically
<niemeyer> jimbaker`:_ping
<jimbaker`> niemeyer, hi
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: Hey man
<niemeyer>_jimbaker`: What's up_there?
<jimbaker`> niemeyer, looks like it's another_nice_day here in_colorado
<niemeyer>_jimbaker`:_Nice :-)
<niemeyer>_jimbaker`: I'm review_the_expose branches,_and_would just like to bring up_an_idea about function naming
<jimbaker`> niemeyer, sounds good
<jimbaker`>_definitely would like to_hear_any ideas on such_things, the provision code had_to come up with a number,_and they_probably can_be improved
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: If I tell you something like.. hmmmm.. "Can_you please check the schedule?", what_kind of assumption can_you make?
<jimbaker`>_we_are probably dealing_with_issues around_time, or more generally events
<niemeyer> jimbaker`: Right,_but it's_pretty hard to figure what I'm_trying to figure, right?
<niemeyer>_jimb