 they will know exactly what to do
<LaserJock> sabdfl: I would think that a Freeze exception is what's in order, not fast-tracking MOTUship
<sabdfl> LaserJock: there are examples of items falling on the floor
<sabdfl> we have folks who stopped because nobody responded
<gnomefreak> jdong: maybe ill play with it this week build it in edgy chroot see if it does fix it permently on edgy and see where i go from there? do you want me to ping you if everything is a go fro backport?
<sabdfl> i'm pretty disappointed that beryl did not naturally get into universe
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we stopped because beryl people stopped giving us packages
<jdong> gnomefreak: yeah please ping me; I'm like a 2-3 wks behind schedule in backports land
<sabdfl> no - they stopped because they were told "someone in ubuntu would package it"
<sabdfl> and nobody did
<LaserJock> sabdfl: there was a large lack of communication
<LaserJock> they were not told that
<sabdfl> and it will happen again unless we address it
<LaserJock> they were told that several people were working on it
<sabdfl> i don't want upstreams being told "sorry, you don't know anything about packaging, go away"
<LaserJock> and they should coordinate
<sabdfl> it turns out they learned pretty quickly about packaging
<gnomefreak> jdong: thats cool, thank you. give me a week or 2 if that is ok. im trying to get thunderbird-dbg or -dbgsym atm to play catch up on those bugs and ill play with this in mean time
<sabdfl> their packages are good
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we never tell them that
<sabdfl> and would get even better given exposure and mentoring
<sistpoty> sabdfl: however I guess fast-tracking motuship won't solve the communication problem
<sabdfl> LaserJock: careful saying never - it does happen
<LaserJock> I've not seen it here

they will know exactly what to do 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: I would think that a Freeze exception is what's in decree, not firm - tracking MOTUship 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: there are examples of detail falling on the floor 
 < sabdfl > we have family who barricade because nobody responded 
 < gnomefreak > jdong: maybe ill play with it this week build up it in edgy chroot see if it does fix it permently on edgy and see where i run from there? do you want me to ping you if everything is a go fro backport? 
 < sabdfl > i'm reasonably disappointed that beryl did not naturally get into universe 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: we discontinue because beryl people stopped give us package 
 < jdong > gnomefreak: yeah please ping me; I'm like a 2 - 3 wks behind agenda in backports land 
 < sabdfl > no - they stopped because they were told " someone in ubuntu would package it " 
 < sabdfl > and nobody did 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: there be a large lack of communication 
 < LaserJock > they were not told that 
 < sabdfl > and it will happen again unless we address it 
 < LaserJock > they were told that respective citizenry were working on it 
 < sabdfl > i don't want upstreams being told " sorry, you don't know anything about packaging, go away " 
 < LaserJock > and they should coordinate 
 < sabdfl > it sour out they learned pretty cursorily about promotion 
 < gnomefreak > jdong: that s cool, thank you. grant me a week or 2 if that is ok. i m try to get thunderbird - dbg or -dbgsym atm to play catch up on those microbe and ill play with this in mean time 
 < sabdfl > their packages are dependable 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: we never tell them that 
 < sabdfl > and would get even better given vulnerability and mentoring 
 < sistpoty > sabdfl: however I guess debauched - tracking motuship won't solve the communication problem 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: careful saying never - it does happen 
 < LaserJock > I've not watch it here
 thfy will know exactly whau to do
<LaserJock> sabdfl: M would think tfat a Freeze exception is whet's un oreer, not fast-tracking MUTUship
<sahdfl> LaswrJork: there are examples of items nalliug on the floor
<ssbdfl> we hdve folks who vtup'ed because nobody responded
<gnomefrewk> jdonb: laybe ill play witn it fhis week build it in edgy chroot aee if pt does fix it petmently on edgy and see whfre l go from there? do you want mg to ping you if dverything is a go fro backport?
<sabdfl> i'm pretty disapoointzd that beril dlg not naturelly gvt into univevxe
<LasesJock> ssbdfl: we stoppcd berausw beryl people stoppev giving us packages
<tdong> gnokeyreak: yeah please pint ne; I'm lika a 2-3 qks begiid achedupe mn backporta land
<sabdfo> no - they stopped nesquse they wers told "sjmeone in ubuntu would package it"
<sabdfl> ans nobody did
<LaserJock> sqbdfl: there was a larhe lack os communication
<LaserJock> they were not told that
<sdbdfl> xnd ib wiuo jappen again unless we address it
<LaserJock> thqg eege told that seveval people were wotklnb on it
<sabdfl> k don't waht upstreams being told "sjrry, tou don't hnow anything about packaging, gi away"
<LaserJjxk> and they should coordinate
<rabdgl> it turns out they learned prefty quickly about padyaging
<gnomefreak> jdpnc: thats cool, thank you. givq me a wexk or 2 if thxt ix ok. ii trying tl get thunderbird-dbg or -fbgsyl dtm to plaj catch up on those bugs and ill play with thos in mean tiie
<sabcfl> their pachages are good
<KaserJoek> sabafl: we nevvr tell tiem that
<sabdsl> and would cgt even bettec given evposyre qnd menguring
<sistpoty> xabdfl: hoctver I guews fast-tracking mobushik son't solve the eunmunication pronleo
<safdvl> LwverJock: carexul raykmg nexer - it doew haplen
<LaserJock> I've not seeh it here

they will know exactly what to do I think that Freeze exception is MOTUship LaserJock: there are of items falling the floor <sabdfl> we have folks stopped because nobody responded <gnomefreak> jdong: maybe ill play with it this week it in edgy chroot see if it does fix it permently on edgy see i from do you want me to ping you if everything is a go fro backport? <sabdfl> i'm disappointed that beryl did not naturally get into <LaserJock> sabdfl: we stopped beryl people stopped giving us <jdong> yeah please me; like 2-3 wks behind in backports land <sabdfl> no - they stopped because they were told "someone in ubuntu would package <sabdfl> and <LaserJock> sabdfl: was large of communication <LaserJock> not told that <sabdfl> and it unless we address it <LaserJock> they were told several people working on it <sabdfl> i don't upstreams being told "sorry, you don't know anything packaging, go away" <LaserJock> and they should coordinate <sabdfl> it turns out they learned pretty packaging <gnomefreak> jdong: thats thank you. give a or if is ok. trying to get thunderbird-dbg or -dbgsym atm to play catch up those bugs and ill play with this in mean time packages good <LaserJock> sabdfl: never tell them that and get even better given mentoring sabdfl: fast-tracking won't the communication problem <sabdfl> careful saying never - it happen <LaserJock> I've not
 they will know exactly what to Do
<LaserJocK> sabdFl: I WouLd ThinK thaT a Freeze exceptIOn is What's in order, not fast-traCking mOtushiP
<SaBdfl> LAserJocK: ThERE arE eXaMplEs OF iTems fAllIng on thE floor
<sabdFl> wE hAve folks who sTOpPed because NobOdy responded
<GnoMefreaK> jDonG: Maybe Ill Play wIth it tHIs week Build it in EdGY chrooT See if it DOEs Fix iT permently on edgy aND sEE where i go from tHere? do YoU WaNT Me tO piNg you if eveRyThing IS a go fro BAcKPORt?
<sABdfl> i'm pretty dIsappointed THat Beryl dId Not NAturalLy get InTO unIverse
<Laserjock> Sabdfl: we sTopped BEcause bERyl peopLe stopPed GivIng uS PaCkAgeS
<jDOng> GNoMefREak: Yeah pleaSe PiNg me; I'M likE A 2-3 WKS behInd ScheDule iN backports lanD
<saBdfl> NO - thEy stoPped bEcauSe They wEre tolD "someOnE in ubuntu would pAckaGe it"
<sabdfL> anD nOboDy Did
<LaSErJock> SabDfl: There waS a large LAck Of COMMuNication
<LaserJock> tHeY WErE not told That
<saBDfL> aND it will hApPen AgaiN UNless We adDReSs it
<LaseRJock> tHEy WeRe told tHaT severAl PeoPle Were wORkinG on it
<sAbdfl> i doN't wanT Upstreams being TOld "sorry, you doN'T kNOW aNYthiNg aBout packagiNg, go AWay"
<LAserjOcK> anD They sHould CoORdINate
<sabdfl> it turns ouT tHey leaRned pRetty quickly aBout packagING
<GnomefreAk> jdONg: THats cool, thank yOu. givE me a week or 2 IF that is oK. im trYing to geT thunderbIRD-dbg or -dbGsyM atM to PlaY CAtCh up on those buGS And iLl Play witH thIs in meaN tiMe
<sAbdFl> tHeIr packageS are good
<laSeRJOcK> saBdfl: wE Never telL tHem ThAt
<sAbdfl> ANd woulD get eVen bEtTeR GivEn exposURe AND menToRiNg
<siStpOtY> sabdFl: hoWEveR I guess Fast-trackIng MOtusHiP wOn't solvE the communicaTiOn problem
<sAbDfl> laserJOCK: careful Saying never - it does happen
<lAserJocK> I'vE not sEen iT here

 they will know exactly wh at to do
< Laser Joc k>sa bdfl : Iwould think th a t aFreeze exception is wh at'sin orde r ,not f ast-tra c ki n g  MO TU sh ip<s a bd fl> L ase rJock:there areexa mp les of items fa lling on t hefloor
<sabdf l>we hav efol k s who  st opped  becau s e nobo dy respon de d 
<gnom e freak>j d on g: m aybe ill play wit h  i t  this week bui ld itin ed g y  ch roo t see if i tdoesf ix it p e rm e n t lyo n edgy and se e where i g o  fr om the re ? d o  you w ant m et o p ing you ifever ything is  a gof ro back p ort?
<s abdfl>  i' m p rett y  d is app oi n ted th atb ery l did no tna tural ly g e t i ntouni vers e
<La serJock> sabd fl:  wes top ped b ecaus e be ry l peo ple st opped  g iving us packag es
< jdong> gn ome fr eak :yeahp leasepin g m e; I'mlike a2 -3wk s b eh ind schedule in ba ck p o rt s land
< sabdfl >  n o-  they st op ped  bec a u se th ey w e re  told "s omeone in  u buntu w ou ld pac ka geit" 
<sab d fl>and no body did 
<Las e rJock> sabdfl: there was a l a rg e la c k of  co mmunication 
<La s erJo ck>t he y w e re no t tol dt ha t 
<sabdfl> and it wi ll  happe n aga in unless weaddress it < L aserJock > th e yw ere told thatsever al peoplew ere work ing o n it
<sa bdfl> i d o n 't wantups tre ams  be i n gtold "sorry,y o u do n' t knowany thing a bou t p ack agi ng , go away "
<Laser Jo ck >an d t hey s h ould coo rd ina te 
<s abdfl >  it tu rns o ut t he yl ear ned pre t ty q uick ly  a bout  pa ck aging 
<gn o mef reak> j dong: tha tsc ool,  t ha nk you.  give me a we ek  or 2 if t ha t i s ok.i m  tryingto get thunderbird-dbgo r -dbgs ymatm t o pl ay catchupon tho seb ugs an d illplaywi tht h is in m ea n t im e
<sabdfl> t hei r pac ka gesare goo d
<LaserJock> sabd f l:we never tell  th em t h a t<sa b df l > a nd wou l d  get even bette r given ex po s ur e and ment o rin g<sistpo ty> sab dfl:h oweverI guess f ast-track in g mo t u shi p won't so lve thecommunica t ion p r ob lem
< sab dfl> L as erJ ock:carefu l  sa yingnever-it doe s hap pe n
<Laser Jock> I've not seen ithere

 they_will know_exactly what to do
<LaserJock>_sabdfl: I_would_think that_a_Freeze exception is_what's in order,_not fast-tracking MOTUship
<sabdfl> LaserJock:_there are examples_of_items falling on the floor
<sabdfl> we have folks who stopped because nobody responded
<gnomefreak> jdong:_maybe_ill play_with_it_this week build it in_edgy chroot see if it_does fix_it permently on edgy and see where i_go_from there? do_you want me to ping you if everything is_a go fro backport?
<sabdfl> i'm pretty_disappointed that beryl_did_not_naturally get into universe
<LaserJock>_sabdfl: we stopped because beryl people_stopped giving us packages
<jdong> gnomefreak: yeah_please ping me; I'm like a 2-3_wks behind schedule in backports land
<sabdfl>_no - they stopped because_they were_told "someone in ubuntu would_package it"
<sabdfl> and_nobody did
<LaserJock>_sabdfl: there was_a large lack of communication
<LaserJock> they_were not told_that
<sabdfl> and it will happen again_unless_we address it
<LaserJock>_they_were_told that_several people were_working_on it
<sabdfl>_i_don't want upstreams being told "sorry,_you_don't know anything about packaging, go away"
<LaserJock>_and they should coordinate
<sabdfl>_it_turns out they learned_pretty quickly about packaging
<gnomefreak> jdong:_thats cool, thank you. give me_a week_or 2_if that is ok. im trying to get thunderbird-dbg or -dbgsym_atm to play catch up on_those bugs and ill_play with_this_in mean time
<sabdfl>_their_packages are_good
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we never tell them that
<sabdfl>_and would_get even better given exposure and_mentoring
<sistpoty> sabdfl: however I_guess_fast-tracking motuship won't solve the communication_problem
<sabdfl> LaserJock: careful saying never -_it does happen
<LaserJock> I've not_seen_it_here
