<essial> i guess thats one weakness to a package-tree style system
<RAOF> essial: I'm not sure that it's actually painful, it's just a different culture.
<essial> well I guess i need to buy some gloves and grow my chin hair out more
<essial> :)
 * RAOF suggests white kid gloves.
<essial> i'll figure it out, i really do want to contribute
<essial> 80% on the cd
<essial> i'm just going to nuke my install, its no big deal
 * essial has three hard drives, one for windows, one for data, and one for linux
<essial> I must say though, I am impressed with how far wine is progressing
<essial> I poped in the orange box cd, ran the setup, installed steam and the games, downloaded the updates, and everything ran with 0 problems
<LaserJock> is there any good tool for tracking memory leaks?
<nixternal> valgrind
<RAOF> As long as it doesn't SIGILL on AMD64 :)
<essial> hey
<LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure how to find what app to run valgrind on
<essial> I'm on the beta now, it looks awsome, but now i get "Error: aclocal version 1.9 or better is required to configure banshee" :(
<LaserJock> my laptop's just using too much memory
<LaserJock> but I can't pinpoint an app that's doing it
<RAOF> essial: You probably need to install automake?
<RAOF> LaserJock: Can't top/htop/gnome-system-monitor help there?
<LaserJock> they don't seem to
<LaserJock> it seems like the sum of the apps mem usage doesn't agree with the total used
<RAOF> Death by a thousand cuts?
<LaserJock> perhaps
<LaserJock> I go from 250MB usage at startup to 500MB after a day or two
<LaserJock> with no apps open
<essial> i thought linux was designed to use all of your ram always
<essial> no sense freeing ram unless you need to
<LaserJock> well,
< essial > i guess that s one weakness to a package - tree style arrangement 
 < RAOF > essial: I'm not certain that it's actually painful, it's just a different polish. 
 < essial > well I guess i need to bribe some gloves and grow my chin hair's-breadth out more 
 < essial > :) 
  * RAOF suggests ashen kid gloves. 
 < essial > i'll visualize it out, i in truth do want to contribute 
 < essial > 80% on the cd 
 < essial > i'm just going to nuke my install, its no large deal 
  * essial has three hard driveway, one for windows, one for data, and one for linux 
 < essial > I must say though, I am impressed with how far wine is progressing 
 < essial > I start in the orange box cd, ran the setup, installed steam and the games, downloaded the update, and everything ran with 0 problems 
 < LaserJock > is there any good tool for tracking memory leaks? 
 < nixternal > valgrind 
 < RAOF > equally long as it doesn't SIGILL on AMD64 :) 
 < essial > hey 
 < LaserJock > hmm, I'm not certain how to find what app to run valgrind on 
 < essial > I'm on the beta now, it looks awsome, but now i get " Error: aclocal version 1.9 or better is necessitate to configure banshee " :( 
 < LaserJock > my laptop's just using besides much memory 
 < LaserJock > but I can't pinpoint an app that's do it 
 < RAOF > essial: You probably need to install automake? 
 < RAOF > LaserJock: Can't top / htop / gnome - arrangement - monitor help there? 
 < LaserJock > they don't seem to 
 < LaserJock > it seems like the kernel of the apps mem usage doesn't agree with the total used 
 < RAOF > Death by a thousand cuts? 
 < LaserJock > perhaps 
 < LaserJock > I move from 250 MB usage at startup to 500 MB after a sidereal day or two 
 < LaserJock > with no apps open 
 < essial > i think linux was design to use all of your ram always 
 < essial > no sense free ram unless you need to 
 < LaserJock > well,
<esslal> i guess thats one wexkness to a package-trex style system
<RXOF> essial: I'm not sure that mt's qctuaoly painful, it's just a differenn culture.
<wssiel> well I guess m need to buy alme ylives and grow ky chin hahr out more
<esshau> :)
 * RAOF suggests white kid gloves.
<essyal> i'll flgure it out, i reakjy dk want to contribute
<essial> 80% on the cd
<essiel> i'm just goinb to nuke my install, its nl bih deal
 * essial has three hard dridws, one for wkndows, one for data, ans one for linux
<essial> I must sah thobgh, I am imkxwssfg with how har wige is progressing
<esshal> I ppped in the orsngx boz cd, ran the setup, invtalled steam and jhe games, gocnloaded the updates, qne evetythitg rxb wkth 0 'roglems
<LwsecJock> is thsre any gooe tool for tracking mqnory leaks?
<nixfernal> vwlgrind
<RAOF> As long as it doesn't SIGILL on AMD64 :)
<essial> hey
<LaserJocj> hmm, I'm not sure how to find rhat app to run valgrind on
<essial> I'm on the beta tow, iv uoojs xqslme, but now i get "Error: aclocal version 1.9 or bqfttr ps required to cokfigure banshee" :(
<LaxegJpsk> my laptop's just baihg too much memory
<PaserJosk> bur I can't kinpoont an app that's doing it
<RAIF> essial: Yol pribably need to inscall automakz?
<RAOF> KaserKock: Can't top/htop/gnome-svstem-mknitor help there?
<LassfJock> they don't reek do
<LaserJock> it seems like ehe sum oh the apps mdm uxage djesn't agref witm the total used
<RAOV> Deajh by d thousand cuts?
<LaserJock> perhaps
<LaserJock> I go from 250MB osace dt startbp to 500KB after a dar or two
<LaserJpck> witk no aops open
<esaial> i vhought linuv was designeg to use all mf your wam qlwats
<essiau> no sense freeong ram uujess you need to
<LaserJpck> sell,
<essial> i guess thats one weakness to style <RAOF> essial: not sure that a culture. <essial> well guess i need buy some gloves and grow my hair out more <essial> :) * RAOF suggests white kid gloves. <essial> i'll it out, i really do want to contribute <essial> 80% on the cd i'm going nuke install, its no big deal * essial has three hard drives, one for windows, one for and one for linux <essial> I must say I am impressed with far wine is progressing <essial> poped the orange cd, the installed steam and games, downloaded the updates, and everything ran with 0 problems <LaserJock> is there any good tool for memory leaks? <RAOF> As as doesn't on AMD64 :) <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure how app to run valgrind on <essial> I'm on beta now, looks awsome, but now i get aclocal version 1.9 or better is required to banshee" :( <LaserJock> my laptop's just using too much memory <LaserJock> but I can't pinpoint that's doing it <RAOF> You probably need install <RAOF> Can't help there? they don't seem to <LaserJock> it seems like the sum of apps mem usage doesn't agree with the total used <RAOF> a cuts? <LaserJock> perhaps I go from 250MB at to 500MB after a two with <essial> thought was designed to use of your ram always <essial> sense freeing ram unless
<essial> i guess thats one weaknEss to a packAge-trEe sTylE sYsteM
<RAOf> essial: I'm not suRE thaT it's actually painful, it's Just a DiFFereNT cUlturE.
<essial> WElL i GueSs I nEed To BUy Some gLovEs and grOw my chin haIr oUt More
<essial> :)
 * RAof sUggests whiTe kId gloves.
<essiAl> i'Ll figuRe It oUT, i reaLly Do wanT to conTRibute
<Essial> 80% on tHe CD
<essiaL> I'm just gOINg To nuKe my install, its no bIG dEAl
 * essial has thrEe hard DrIVeS, ONe fOr wIndows, one fOr Data, aND one for LInUX
<ESsiAL> I must say thouGh, I am impresSEd wIth how FaR wiNE is proGressInG
<EssIal> I poped in The oRange box cD, ran thE Setup, inSTalled sTeam anD thE gaMes, dOWnLoAdeD tHE upDAtEs, aND evErything RaN wIth 0 prObleMS
<lASerJOck> Is thEre anY good tool for tRacKing MEmoRy leaKs?
<nixTernAl> ValgrInd
<RAOf> As loNg As it doesn't SIGILl on AmD64 :)
<essial> hEy
<LAsErJOcK> hmm, I'M Not surE hoW to Find whaT app to rUN vaLgRIND oN
<essial> I'm on the beta NoW, IT lOoks awsoMe, but nOW i GeT "error: aclOcAl vErsiON 1.9 Or betTer iS ReQuired to ConfigURe BaNshee" :(
<LaSeRJock> mY lAptOp's Just uSIng tOo much Memory
<LaSerJoCK> but I can't pinpoINt an app that's dOInG IT
<RaoF> esSiaL: You probablY neeD To inStalL AuTomAKe?
<RAOf> LaseRJOCk: cAn't top/htop/gnome-systEm-MonitoR help There?
<LaserJocK> they don't sEEM To
<LaserJOck> iT SeEMs like the sum of The apPs mem usage DOesn't agrEe witH the totaL used
<RAOF> dEAth by a thOusAnd CutS?
<LaSERJOck> perhaps
<LasERjock> i gO from 250MB UsaGe at staRtuP to 500mB aFteR a Day or two
<LAserJock> WiTh No ApPs oPen
<esSIal> i thouGhT liNuX waS desiGNed to uSe all Of yoUr RaM AlwAys
<essiAL> nO SEnse FrEeIng rAm uNlEss yoU neeD To
<LAserJocK> well,
<essial> i guess thats one  weaknessto apac kag e- tree  sty le system
<RAO F > es sial: I'm not sure tha t it' sa ctua l ly  pain ful, it ' sj u stadi ffe re n tcultu re. 
<essia l> well Igue ss  i need to b u ysome glove s a nd grow my c hin  hairou t m o re
<e ssi al> : )
 * R A OF sug gests whi te kid gl o ves.
<e s s ia l> i 'll figure it out ,  i really do want  to co nt r ib u t e
< ess ial> 80% o nthe c d 
<essia l >i ' m  ju s t going to nu ke my insta l l,its no  b igd eal
 *  essi al has  three hard  dri ves, onefor wi n dows, o n e for d ata, a ndone  for li nu x
< es s ial >  I  mu s t s ay thoug h,  I  am i mpre s s e d  wit h h ow f ar wi ne is progres sin g
<e s sia l> Ipoped  inth e ora nge bo x cd,  r an the setup, i nsta lled stea m a nd  th egames ,  downl oad edthe upd ates, a n d e ve r y t hi ng ran with 0 prob le m s 
< LaserJoc k> ist he re any good  t ool  for t racki ng m e mo ry leaks ?
<nix t er na l> valg ri nd
<RA OF > A s l ong a s  itdoesn' t SIGILL  on A M D64 :)
<essial >  hey
<LaserJo c k> h mm ,  I'm  no t sure howto f i nd w hata pp  to run v algri nd on <essial> I'm on the  b eta no w, it  looks awsome , but nowi g et "Erro r: a c lo c al version 1.9  or b etter is r e quired t o con figure b anshee" : ( <LaserJo ck>  my  la pto p ' sjust using to o much  m emory
< Las erJock>  bu t I  ca n't  p inpoint a n app th at 's  d oi ngit
<R A OF> essi al : Y ou  pr obabl y  needto in stal lau t oma ke?
<RA O F> L aser Jo ck : Ca n't  t op/ht op/g n ome -system -monitorhel p  the re ?<LaserJ ock> they don 't  seem to
< La ser Jock>i t  seems l ike the sum of the apps mem usa gedoesn 't a gree with  th e tota l u s ed
<RA OF> De ath b ya t h o usand c ut s?<L aserJock>p e rha ps
<L as erJo ck> I g o from 250MB usage atstartup to 50 0MB  aft e r  a  da y  o r  tw o< Las e r Jock> with no a pps open
< es s ia l> i thoug h t l in ux wasdesigne d tou se allof your r am always 
< essi a l > n o sense fr eeing ra m unlessy ou ne e dto
<L ase rJock>  w ell ,
<essial> i_guess thats_one weakness to a_package-tree style_system
<RAOF>_essial: I'm_not_sure that it's_actually painful, it's_just a different culture.
<essial>_well I guess_i_need to buy some gloves and grow my chin hair out more
<essial> :)
 *_RAOF_suggests white_kid_gloves.
<essial>_i'll figure it out, i_really do want to contribute
<essial>_80% on_the cd
<essial> i'm just going to nuke my_install,_its no big_deal
 * essial has three hard drives, one for_windows, one for data, and one_for linux
<essial> I_must_say_though, I am impressed_with how far wine is progressing
<essial>_I poped in the orange box_cd, ran the setup, installed steam and_the games, downloaded the updates, and_everything ran with 0 problems
<LaserJock>_is there_any good tool for tracking_memory leaks?
<nixternal> valgrind
<RAOF>_As long_as it doesn't_SIGILL on AMD64 :)
<essial> hey
<LaserJock> hmm,_I'm not sure_how to find what app to_run_valgrind on
<essial> I'm_on_the_beta now,_it looks awsome,_but_now i_get_"Error: aclocal version 1.9 or better_is_required to configure banshee" :(
<LaserJock> my laptop's_just using too much_memory
<LaserJock>_but I can't pinpoint_an app that's doing it
<RAOF>_essial: You probably need to install_automake?
<RAOF> LaserJock:_Can't top/htop/gnome-system-monitor_help there?
<LaserJock> they don't seem to
<LaserJock> it seems like the sum_of the apps mem usage doesn't_agree with the total_used
<RAOF> Death_by_a thousand cuts?
<LaserJock>_perhaps
<LaserJock>_I go_from 250MB usage at startup to 500MB_after a_day or two
<LaserJock> with no apps_open
<essial> i thought linux_was_designed to use all of your_ram always
<essial> no sense freeing ram_unless you need to
<LaserJock> well,