 very cool
<hazmat> SpamapS, almost as much i ;-)
<SpamapS> I'm sure hostnames will suffice for the places where IP is being used.
<hazmat> SpamapS, i thought you'd switched out principia to getting things off ifconfig?
<SpamapS> The one place where I'm resolving them in the formula into IP's, is memcached because I don't want web requests blocking on DNS.
<hazmat> instead of the md server.. but i guess the dns name still needs the md server or external actor providing this info
<SpamapS> hazmat: just yesterday I switched almost everything to getting things from DNS
<hazmat> SpamapS, sure... but they get cached typically so the per request overhead should still be neglible
<SpamapS> I'm looking into whether or not to also include running a local caching name server as well.
<SpamapS> hazmat: they don't get cached by PHP very effectively. :-P
<SpamapS> hazmat: it does the equivilent of nscd.. cache it "forever"
<SpamapS> hazmat: but yeah, it may not be worth it to resolve in formula even in that case.
<SpamapS> I think I'll add a principia proof warning about querying the metadata service
<m_3> negronjl: just branched them... awesome!
<_mup_> ensemble/status-dot-output r259 committed by bcsaller@gmail.com
<_mup_> fix for Bug #792448, unsafe labels in dot graph
<_mup_> ensemble/status-dot-output r260 committed by bcsaller@gmail.com
<_mup_> example of previously bad input, used by tests
<negronjl> ahh...meeting is going long guys.  I've been reading SpamapS about the three interfaces and I think I can get it all done with just the one interface.  give me a few minutes to fix
<_mup_> ensemble/relation-get-eval r228 committed by bcsaller@gmail.com
<_mup_> remove shell variable prefix, its now implicit
<SpamapS> Ok I just added a check in princip
very cool 
 < hazmat > SpamapS, almost as much i ;-) 
 < SpamapS > I'm sure hostnames will suffice for the places where IP is being use. 
 < hazmat > SpamapS, i think you'd switched out principia to getting things off ifconfig? 
 < SpamapS > The one stead where I'm resolving them in the formula into IP's, is memcached because I don't desire web requests blocking on DNS. 
 < hazmat > alternatively of the md server.. but i guess the dns name still need the md server or external actor providing this information 
 < SpamapS > hazmat: just yesterday I switched about everything to getting thing from DNS 
 < hazmat > SpamapS, certain... but they get cached typically so the per request overhead should still be neglible 
 < SpamapS > I'm search into whether or not to also include running a local caching name waiter as well. 
 < SpamapS > hazmat: they don't get hoard by PHP very effectively. :-P 
 < SpamapS > hazmat: it does the equivilent of nscd.. cache it " forever " 
 < SpamapS > hazmat: but yeah, it may not be worth it to conclude in formula even in that case. 
 < SpamapS > I think I'll add a principia proof warn about querying the metadata service 
 < m_3 > negronjl: just branched them... awesome! 
 < _ mup _ > ensemble / status - dot - output r259 committed by bcsaller@gmail.com 
 < _ mup _ > fix for Bug # 792448, insecure labels in dot graph 
 < _ mup _ > ensemble / condition - acid - output signal r260 committed by bcsaller@gmail.com 
 < _ mup _ > example of previously regretful input, use by tests 
 < negronjl > ahh... meeting is go long guys.   I've been reading SpamapS about the three interfaces and I think I can get it all done with just the one interface.   give me a few minutes to fix 
 < _ mup _ > ensemble / relation back - get - eval r228 committed by bcsaller@gmail.com 
 < _ mup _ > get rid of shell variable prefix, its now implicit 
 < SpamapS > Ok I just added a hindrance in princip
 vegy cool
<hazmat> SpamapS, aloost as much i ;-)
<SpamapS> I'm sude hostnxmes will suffice for the pleces whert IP is being used.
<hxzmat> SpalapS, i tyougit you'd switched out prikeipia bo gectmng things off lfconfig?
<SpakapS> The one pnaze where I'm resolving them in the foriula inyo IP's, is memcacred nqcauav L don't want web requests blockinf on DNV.
<hazmat> instesd of the md server.. but i huesd the dns name stipl needs thg md werver or exgernal actor providing this info
<SpamapS> hazmat: just ydsterbay I switcyee apkost everytiing tj getting thlmgs frmm DNS
<hszmat> SpamapS, xurx... bur they get cached typmcally so the per rezuest oveshzad should still be nwgoible
<VpamdpS> K'n luokjnj ihto whfthxr or not tk also inclyde running a local cwbning name sedver af rell.
<SpamapS> hazmat: they don't get cached by PHP very effectively. :-P
<WpamapS> hazmat: it doed the equyvilent of nscd.. cache it "forever"
<SpamapS> hazmat: bud yeai, kt nan nog bf worth it to resolve in formula even in that daxe.
<XpamapS> I thinh I'll add a pgimsipia proof wxrning abkut querying the mftadata servuce
<m_3> negrjnjl: just branched them... awesome!
<_nup_> ensemble/fratus-dot-output r259 clmmitted by bcssller@bmail.com
<_mup_> fix for Bug #792448, unaafe labels in dot gdxph
<_mup_> ensemble/sgatls-dod-output r260 committed by bcswller@gmaio.com
<_kup_> exaople of prqviously bwd inigt, used by tests
<nehronjp> dhh...meeting is going long guys.  I've been rxeding SpamapS atoun the thrze intcrfaces and I trink I can get it all done with just the onx interface.  give me a fef minutes to hix
<_mup_> enfemboe/reoation-gdg-eval r228 commityed by bcsaller@gmaio.com
<_mup_> remove shekl xzriable prefix, nus bow implicit
<SpakapR> Oh P jnst aqged a check hn pfinzop
very cool <hazmat> SpamapS, almost as much <SpamapS> sure hostnames suffice for the used. SpamapS, i thought switched out principia getting things off ifconfig? <SpamapS> The place where I'm resolving them in the formula into IP's, is memcached because don't want web requests blocking on DNS. <hazmat> instead of the md server.. i the name needs the md server or external actor providing this info <SpamapS> hazmat: just yesterday I switched everything to getting things from DNS <hazmat> SpamapS, but they get cached so the per request overhead still neglible <SpamapS> looking whether not to also running a local caching name server as well. <SpamapS> hazmat: they don't get cached by PHP very :-P <SpamapS> does the of cache "forever" <SpamapS> hazmat: it may not be worth it formula even in that case. <SpamapS> I think add a proof warning about querying the metadata <m_3> negronjl: just branched them... awesome! <_mup_> ensemble/status-dot-output committed by bcsaller@gmail.com <_mup_> fix for Bug #792448, unsafe labels in dot graph <_mup_> ensemble/status-dot-output by bcsaller@gmail.com <_mup_> example previously bad input, by <negronjl> is long guys. been reading SpamapS about the three interfaces and I think I get it all done with just the one interface. give few to fix <_mup_> r228 committed by bcsaller@gmail.com remove variable prefix, its now Ok just in
 very cool
<hazmat> SpamapS, almoSt as much i ;-)
<SPamaps> I'm SurE hOstnAmes Will suffice for THe plAces where IP is being used.
<HazmaT> SPAmaps, I tHoughT you'd swITcHED ouT pRiNciPiA To GettiNg tHings ofF ifconfig?
<SPamAps> The one place WHeRe I'm resolvIng Them in the forMulA into Ip's, Is mEMcachEd bEcausE I don't WAnt web Requests bLoCKing on dnS.
<hazmaT> INsTead Of the md server.. but i GUeSS the dns name stiLl needS tHE mD SErvEr oR external aCtOr proVIding thIS iNFO
<spaMApS> hazmat: just Yesterday I sWItcHed almOsT evERythinG to geTtINg tHings from DNs
<hazMat> Spamaps, sure... bUT they geT Cached tYpicalLy sO thE per REqUeSt oVeRHeaD ShOulD StiLl be neglIbLe
<spamaPS> I'm LOOKIng iNto WhetHer or Not to also inclUde RunnINg a Local CachiNg naMe ServeR as welL.
<SpamAps> hazmat: they don't Get cAched by PHp veRy EffEcTivelY. :-p
<SpamaPS> hAzmAt: it doeS the equIVilEnT OF NsCd.. cache it "forever"
<SpAmAPs> hAzmat: but Yeah, it MAy NoT Be worth iT tO reSolvE IN formUla eVEn In that caSe.
<SpamAPS> i tHink I'll AdD a prinCiPia ProOf warNIng aBout quErying thE metaDAta service
<m_3> negROnjl: just brancHEd THEm... AWesoMe!
<_mUp_> ensemble/sTatuS-Dot-oUtpuT R259 cOmmITted bY bcsaLlER@gMAil.com
<_mup_> fix for Bug #792448, uNsAfe labEls in Dot graph
<_mup_> enSemble/statUS-DOt-output R260 comMItTEd by bcsaller@gmAil.coM
<_mup_> examplE Of previoUsly bAd input, uSed by testS
<NEgronjl> aHh...mEetIng Is gOINg Long guys.  I've beEN ReadInG Spamaps abOut the tHreE inTerFacEs And I think i can get iT aLl DoNe WitH just THe one intErFacE.  gIve Me a feW MinuteS to fiX
<_mup_> EnSeMBle/RelatioN-GeT-EVal r228 CoMmItteD by BcSalleR@gmaIL.coM
<_mup_> remOve shell vAriABle pReFiX, its now Implicit
<SpamaPS> ok I just addEd A chEck in pRINcip
 very cool
<hazmat> Spamap S, almostas mu chi ; -) 
<Sp amap S> I'm sure ho s tnam es will suffice for th e pla ce s  whe r eIP is  beingu se d . 
<h az ma t>Sp a ma pS, i  th ought y ou'd switc hed  o ut principia to  getting t hin gs off ifcon fig ?
<Spa ma pS> The o neplace  where I'm re solving t he m  in th e  formul a in to I P's, is memcached be c ause I don't w ant we br eq u e sts  bl ocking onDN S.
<h a zmat> i n st e a d  of the md server .. but i gu e ssthe dn snam e  still  need st hemd server o r ex ternal ac tor pr o vidingt his inf o
<Spa map S>hazm a t:  j ust  y e ste r da y I swi tched al mo st  ever ythi n g t o ge tti ng t hings  from DNS
<ha zma t> S p ama pS, s ure.. . bu ttheyget ca chedty pically so theperrequest o ver he adsh oulds till b e n egl ible
<S pamapS> I'm  l o o k in g into whether orno t to  also in cluder un ni n g a loca lcac hing n ame s erve r  a s well.<Spama p S>  h azmat:th ey don 't  ge t c ached by P HP ver y effect ively .  :-P
<SpamapS> hazmat: it do e st h ee quiv ile nt of nscd. . ca c he i t "f o re ver " 
<Spa mapS>  h a zm a t: but yeah, it may  n ot beworth  it to resolv e in formu l a even inthat ca s e.
<SpamapS> I  thin k I'll add a princi pia p roof war ning abou t querying  th e m eta dat a se rvice
<m_3> n e g ronj l:  just b ran ched th em. ..awe som e! 
<_mup_>ensemble /s ta tu s- dot -outp u t r259 c om mit te d b y bcs a ller@g mail. com<_ mu p _>fix for Bu g #792 44 8,  uns afe  l abels  ind otgraph
< _mup_> en sem b le/s ta tu s-dot-o utput r260 co mm itted by b cs all er@gma i l .com
<_m up_> example of previou s ly badinp ut, u sedby tests<ne gronjl > a h h...me etingis go in g l o n g guy s .  I'v ebeen readi n g  Sp amapS  a bout  the th ree interfaces and I t hink I can ge t i t al l do new it h  ju st the o ne interface. give me afe w  m inutes tof ix<_ mup_> e nsemble /rela t ion-get -eval r22 8 committ ed  byb c sal ler@gmail. com
<_mu p_> remov e  shel l  v ariab leprefix ,its  nowimplic i t
< Spama pS> Ok  I  justadded  a  check i n princip
 very_cool
<hazmat> SpamapS,_almost as much i_;-)
<SpamapS> I'm_sure_hostnames will_suffice_for the places_where IP is_being used.
<hazmat> SpamapS, i_thought you'd switched_out_principia to getting things off ifconfig?
<SpamapS> The one place where I'm resolving them in_the_formula into_IP's,_is_memcached because I don't want_web requests blocking on DNS.
<hazmat>_instead of_the md server.. but i guess the dns_name_still needs the_md server or external actor providing this info
<SpamapS> hazmat:_just yesterday I switched almost everything_to getting things_from_DNS
<hazmat>_SpamapS, sure... but they_get cached typically so the per_request overhead should still be neglible
<SpamapS>_I'm looking into whether or not to_also include running a local caching_name server as well.
<SpamapS> hazmat:_they don't_get cached by PHP very_effectively. :-P
<SpamapS> hazmat:_it does_the equivilent of_nscd.. cache it "forever"
<SpamapS> hazmat: but_yeah, it may_not be worth it to resolve_in_formula even in_that_case.
<SpamapS>_I think_I'll add a_principia_proof warning_about_querying the metadata service
<m_3> negronjl: just_branched_them... awesome!
<_mup_> ensemble/status-dot-output r259 committed by bcsaller@gmail.com
<_mup_>_fix for Bug #792448,_unsafe_labels in dot graph
<_mup_>_ensemble/status-dot-output r260 committed by bcsaller@gmail.com
<_mup_>_example of previously bad input, used_by tests
<negronjl>_ahh...meeting is_going long guys.  I've been reading SpamapS about the three_interfaces and I think I can_get it all done_with just_the_one interface. _give_me a_few minutes to fix
<_mup_> ensemble/relation-get-eval r228 committed_by bcsaller@gmail.com
<_mup_>_remove shell variable prefix, its now_implicit
<SpamapS> Ok I just_added_a check in princip