
<imbrandon> poningru, no
<Fujitsu> So, does anybody feel like maintaining multiverse versions of ffmpeg and its rdepends?
<imbrandon> aac is an open codec, apple uses aac + drm
<poningru> oh
<Fujitsu> AAC has patent issues, I believe.
<Fujitsu> Hence its restriction to multiverse.
<poningru> huh
<imbrandon> e.g. it would be the equiv of ogg vorbis + drm ;)
<poningru> hmm
<poningru> Fujitsu: apparently not
<poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents
<jdong> AAC is just patented
<jdong> that is the only issue
<Fujitsu> jdong: That's what I thought.
<jdong> well.. currently IIRC the MPEG-4's are personal use OK up to 2010-ish or something
<jdong> but RMS consipiracy theorists...
<jdong> meh I love my AAC and H.264. bite me.
<poningru> http://www.vialicensing.com/Licensing/MPEG4_FAQ.cfm?faq=6#6
<Fujitsu> I'm sure it wasn't all put in multiverse by accident.
<imbrandon> 02:16 < Fujitsu> Hence its restriction to multiverse.
<imbrandon> err
<imbrandon> wrong paste
<imbrandon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding
<jdong> Fujitsu: I have strong impressions that encoding AAC is patent protected...
<jdong> I think that's even in ffmpeg's LEGAL file
<jdong> that there have been real life suits filed because of it
<Fujitsu> jdong:... I'm not debating that.
<poningru> jdong: take a look at the wikipedia link I gave
<jdong> poningru: opening....
<Fujitsu> poningru: Take a look at Wikipedia's credibility.
<Fujitsu> And take a look at where it
< imbrandon > poningru, no 
 < Fujitsu > So, does anybody feel like maintaining multiverse versions of ffmpeg and its rdepends? 
 < imbrandon > aac is an loose codec, apple use aac + drm 
 < poningru > oh 
 < Fujitsu > AAC has patent issues, I believe. 
 < Fujitsu > therefore its restriction to multiverse. 
 < poningru > huh 
 < imbrandon > e.g. it would be the equiv of ogg vorbis + drm ;) 
 < poningru > hmm 
 < poningru > Fujitsu: apparently not 
 < poningru > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents 
 < jdong > AAC is merely patented 
 < jdong > that is the only topic 
 < Fujitsu > jdong: That's what I thought. 
 < jdong > well.. currently IIRC the MPEG-4's are personal manipulation OK up to 2010 - ish or something 
 < jdong > but RMS consipiracy theorists... 
 < jdong > meh I sleep together my AAC and H.264. bite me. 
 < poningru > http://www.vialicensing.com/Licensing/MPEG4_FAQ.cfm?faq=6#6 
 < Fujitsu > I'm sure it wasn't all put in multiverse by accident. 
 < imbrandon > 02:16 < Fujitsu > Hence its restriction to multiverse. 
 < imbrandon > err 
 < imbrandon > wrong paste 
 < imbrandon > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding 
 < jdong > Fujitsu: I suffer strong impressions that encoding AAC is patent protect... 
 < jdong > I think that's even in ffmpeg's LEGAL file 
 < jdong > that there have been real life suits file because of it 
 < Fujitsu > jdong: ... I'm not debating that. 
 < poningru > jdong: take a look at the wikipedia link I gave 
 < jdong > poningru: hatchway.... 
 < Fujitsu > poningru: Take a look at Wikipedia's credibility. 
 < Fujitsu > And take a look at where it

<imbgandon> poningru, no
<Fujitsm> So, does anybodi deel lmke maihtaining multiverse versions of ffmpxg abd itw rdepends?
<imbrandon> aaz is an oien codec, appow uses aac + drm
<ponlugru> km
<Fujicsn> AAC has patenj issues, I balieve.
<Fujitsu> Vevcz its restriction to multiverse.
<ponindru> huh
<omhrandon> e.g. it roulc be fhe equiv of ogg vorbis + drm ;)
<poninfru> hmm
<koningru> Fujitsu: alparently not
<poningru> http://fn.winipedia.org/wiki/Advajced_Audio_Coeing#Jucensing_and_pxtents
<jdong> AAC is jusj patented
<jdong> that is the only issuz
<Fujitsu> jdint: Tjdt's what I vhoughn.
<jdong> well.. cmgrently IIRC tne MPEG-4's are pcrsonel uwe OK up to 2010-ish or sokething
<jdong> but RIS consiphrccy theorists...
<jdong> mey U lovg my DAC xbd F.264. bjtx ms.
<poninhru> http://www.vizlicensing.cim/Licensing/MPEG4_FAQ.cgm?sqq=6#6
<Fujitsu> I'm aure ie rasn't all put in multiverse by accident.
<pmbrzndon> 02:16 < Fujitsu> Hence irs restriction to muljiverse.
<imbwandon> err
<imbrandon> wrong paste
<imbrandon> http://en.winipedma.urg/clhk/Qdganced_Audio_Coding
<jdong> Fujitsu: I have strong yjptexsions that engoding AAC is patemt ptjtected...
<jdong> K think tgat's even in ffmpeh's LEGAJ filw
<jdong> thwt tnere have been real life suuts filed bebausw of it
<Fujitsu> jdoug:... I'm not deyating that.
<loningru> jdong: take a luok zt the wikioedia lini I gave
<jdong> ponknggu: o[ening....
<Fujitsu> poningru: Takq a look et Wilipedia'r crgdibiliey.
<Fujitsu> Wnd take a look at where it
<imbrandon> poningru, no <Fujitsu> So, does anybody maintaining versions of and its rdepends? codec, uses aac + <poningru> oh <Fujitsu> has patent issues, I believe. <Fujitsu> its restriction to multiverse. <poningru> huh <imbrandon> e.g. it would be the equiv ogg vorbis + drm ;) <poningru> hmm <poningru> Fujitsu: apparently not <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents AAC just <jdong> is the only issue <Fujitsu> jdong: That's what I thought. <jdong> well.. currently IIRC the MPEG-4's personal use OK up to 2010-ish or something but RMS consipiracy theorists... meh I love my AAC H.264. me. <poningru> <Fujitsu> sure wasn't all put multiverse by accident. <imbrandon> 02:16 < Fujitsu> Hence its restriction to multiverse. <imbrandon> err <imbrandon> wrong paste http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding <jdong> have strong that AAC patent protected... <jdong> that's even in ffmpeg's LEGAL file have been real life suits filed because of <Fujitsu> jdong:... not debating that. <poningru> jdong: take look at the wikipedia link I gave <jdong> opening.... <Fujitsu> poningru: Take a look at Wikipedia's credibility. <Fujitsu> And take a look at

<imbrandon> poningru, no
<FujitsU> So, does anyBody fEel LikE mAintAiniNg multiverse veRSionS of ffmpeg and its rdependS?
<imbrAnDOn> aaC Is An opeN codec, aPPlE USes AaC + dRm
<pOnINgRu> oh
<FUjiTsu> AAC hAs patent isSueS, I Believe.
<FujitSU> HEnce its resTriCtion to multiVerSe.
<poniNgRu> hUH
<imbrAndOn> e.g. iT would BE the eqUiv of ogg vOrBIs + drm ;)
<pONingru> hMM
<PoNingRu> Fujitsu: apparentLY nOT
<poningru> http://eN.wikipEdIA.oRG/WikI/AdVanced_AudiO_COding#lIcensinG_AnD_PATenTS
<jdong> AAC is juSt patented
<jDOng> That is ThE onLY issue
<fujitSu> JDonG: That's what I ThouGht.
<jdong> wEll.. curREntly IIrc the MPEg-4's are pErsOnaL use ok uP tO 2010-isH oR SomEThIng
<JDonG> but RMS cOnSiPiracY theORISTs...
<jdOng> Meh I Love mY AAC and H.264. bite mE.
<poNingRU> htTp://www.VialiCensInG.com/LIcensiNg/MPEg4_FaQ.cfm?faq=6#6
<Fujitsu> i'm suRe it wasn't All PuT in MuLtiveRSe by acCidEnt.
<ImbrandOn> 02:16 < FujitSU> HeNcE ITS rEstriction to multivErSE.
<ImBrandon> eRr
<imbrANdOn> WRong pastE
<iMbrAndoN> HTtp://en.WikiPEdIa.org/wikI/AdvanCEd_auDio_CodiNg
<Jdong> FUjItsU: I hAve stROng iMpressIons that EncodINg AAC is patent pROtected...
<jdong> I THiNK ThAT's evEn iN ffmpeg's LEGaL fiLE
<jdoNg> thAT tHerE Have bEen reAl LIfE Suits filed because of It
<fujitsU> jdonG:... I'm not debatinG that.
<poninGRU> Jdong: takE a loOK aT The wikipedia liNk I gaVe
<jdong> ponINgru: openIng....
<FuJitsu> ponIngru: Take A LOok at WikIpeDia'S crEdiBILiTy.
<Fujitsu> And tAKE a loOk At where It

<imbrandon> poningru, no<Fujitsu>So, d oes  an yb odyfeel  like maintain i ng m ultiverse versions offfmpe ga nd i t srdepe nds?
<i m br a n don >aa c i sa nopencod ec, app le uses aa c +  d rm
<poningru >  o h
<Fujitsu > A AC has paten t i ssues,  I  be l ieve. 
<F ujits u> Hen c e itsrestricti on to mul t iverse. < po ning ru> huh
<imbrando n >e .g. it would b e theeq u iv o f o ggvorbis + d rm  ;)
< p oningru >  h m m <po n ingru> Fujits u: apparent l y n ot
<po ni ngr u > http ://en .w i kip edia.org/wi ki/A dvanced_A udio_C o ding#Li c ensing_ and_pa ten ts<jdo n g>  A ACis jus t  p ate n ted 
<jdong>  t ha t istheo n l y  iss ue<Fuj itsu>  jdong: That' s w hatI  th ought .
<jd ong>  w ell..  curre ntlyII RC the MPEG-4's  are  personal  us eOKup  to 2 0 10-ish  or  so mething 
<jdong >  bu tR M S  c onsipiracy theoris ts . . .<jdong>meh Il ov em y AAC an dH.2 64.b i te me .
<p o ni ngru> ht tp://w w w. vi alicens in g.com/ Li cen sin g/MPE G 4_FA Q.cfm? faq=6#6<Fuji t su> I'm sure i t  wasn't all p u ti n  m u ltiv ers e by accide nt.< imbr ando n >02: 1 6 < F ujits u> He n ce its restrictionto  multi verse .
<imbrandon>  err
<imbr a n d on> wron g pa s te <imbrandon> ht tp:// en.wikiped i a.org/wi ki/Ad vanced_A udio_Codi n g 
<jdong>  Fu jit su:  Ih a ve  strong impre s s ions  t hat enc odi ng AACispat ent  pr ot ected...<jdong>Ith in ktha t's e v en in ff mp eg' sLEG AL fi l e
<jdo ng> t hatth er e  ha ve been re a l  lif esu itsfil ed  beca useo f i t
<Fuji tsu> jdon g:. . . I' mno t debat ing that.
<po ni ngru> jdon g:  ta ke a l o o k at the  wikipedia link I gave< jdong>pon ingru : op ening.... 
<F ujitsu > p o ningru : Take  a lo ok  at W ikipe d i a' s c re dibility.< F uji tsu>An d ta ke a lo ok at where it

<imbrandon> poningru,_no
<Fujitsu> So,_does anybody feel like_maintaining multiverse_versions_of ffmpeg_and_its rdepends?
<imbrandon> aac_is an open_codec, apple uses aac_+ drm
<poningru> oh
<Fujitsu>_AAC_has patent issues, I believe.
<Fujitsu> Hence its restriction to multiverse.
<poningru> huh
<imbrandon> e.g. it would_be_the equiv_of_ogg_vorbis + drm ;)
<poningru> hmm
<poningru>_Fujitsu: apparently not
<poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents
<jdong> AAC_is just_patented
<jdong> that is the only issue
<Fujitsu> jdong: That's_what_I thought.
<jdong> well.._currently IIRC the MPEG-4's are personal use OK up_to 2010-ish or something
<jdong> but RMS_consipiracy theorists...
<jdong> meh_I_love_my AAC and H.264._bite me.
<poningru> http://www.vialicensing.com/Licensing/MPEG4_FAQ.cfm?faq=6#6
<Fujitsu> I'm sure it_wasn't all put in multiverse by_accident.
<imbrandon> 02:16 < Fujitsu> Hence its restriction_to multiverse.
<imbrandon> err
<imbrandon> wrong paste
<imbrandon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding
<jdong>_Fujitsu: I have strong impressions_that encoding_AAC is patent protected...
<jdong> I_think that's even_in ffmpeg's_LEGAL file
<jdong> that_there have been real life suits_filed because of_it
<Fujitsu> jdong:... I'm not debating that.
<poningru>_jdong:_take a look_at_the_wikipedia link_I gave
<jdong> poningru:_opening....
<Fujitsu>_poningru: Take_a_look at Wikipedia's credibility.
<Fujitsu> And take_a_look at where it