 are already kinda moving away from anyway
<crimsun_> what LaserJock said
<LaserJock> basically like Debian Mentors have
<LaserJock> but probably less strict
<sistpoty> hm... I don't think just having experimental and let everyone dump in there will solve the problem. it might imo soon degrade to a broken archive with *lots* of packages, so we'd still end up with the hard task to pick the few good ones
<LaserJock> and LP based
<crimsun_> sistpoty: that's the idea
<crimsun_> sistpoty: it _will_ break
<geser> so it's only used for initial packaging but not ongoing maintenance?
<crimsun_> often horribly, but that's just fine. That's the sandbox.
<crimsun_> geser: initial and maintenance until entering non-experimental Ubuntu
<sistpoty> the problem is not the breakage per se, but how it will strengthen the ties to upstream. just having lots of packages in there for sure won't be satisfying
<LaserJock> it would provide more testing perhaps
<crimsun_> sistpoty: no, but if have yet_another_commented_out repo by default in sources.list, it's at least one step closer
<sistpoty> that's true
<tonyyarusso> (Anybody here know why Feisty is making X eat processor like crazy recently?)
<LaserJock> well
<LaserJock> it'd be nice to have an experiment
<sistpoty> but I don't think it will be the path ppl. would go end ultimately end up as motus. it would lack of interaction imo.
* LaserJock must be a scientist
<LaserJock> I think PPA would be more helpful there
<LaserJock> and would also I think cover the "experimental" part
<LaserJock> sabdfl said is was maybe a couple months away
<crimsun_> sistpoty: I think to think that upstream maintainers intend to become MOTU is misled
<crimsun_> they (we?) have a very focused perspective
<lupine_85> heh
<crimsun_> in this way, people intending to
are already kinda moving away from anyway 
 < crimsun _ > what LaserJock suppose 
 < LaserJock > basically like Debian Mentors take 
 < LaserJock > but probably less strict 
 < sistpoty > hm... I don't think precisely having experimental and let everyone deck in there will clear the problem. it might imo soon take down to a break archive with * lots * of software, so we'd still end up with the hard undertaking to pick the few good ones 
 < LaserJock > and LP based 
 < crimsun _ > sistpoty: that's the idea 
 < crimsun _ > sistpoty: it _ will _ break dance 
 < geser > so it's only used for initial promotion but not ongoing maintenance? 
 < crimsun _ > often dreadfully, but that's just all right. That's the sandbox. 
 < crimsun _ > geser: initial and maintenance until entering non - experimental Ubuntu 
 < sistpoty > the problem is not the breakage per se, but how it will strengthen the ties to upstream. just give birth lots of packages in there for sure won't be satisfying 
 < LaserJock > it would provide more examination possibly 
 < crimsun _ > sistpoty: no, but if receive yet_another_commented_out repo by default in sources.list, it's at least one step closer 
 < sistpoty > that's true 
 < tonyyarusso > (Anybody here know why Feisty is making X eat central processing unit like brainsick recently ?) 
 < LaserJock > well 
 < LaserJock > it'd be nice to have an experiment 
 < sistpoty > but I don't think it will be the way ppl. would run low end ultimately end up as motus. it would lack of interaction imo. 
 * LaserJock must be a scientist 
 < LaserJock > I remember PPA would be more helpful there 
 < LaserJock > and would also I think cover the " experimental " part 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl say is was maybe a couple months away 
 < crimsun _ > sistpoty: I think to think that upstream maintainers mean to become MOTU is misled 
 < crimsun _ > they (we ?) have a very focused perspective 
 < lupine_85 > heh 
 < crimsun _ > in this way, citizenry intending to
 arf already kinda moving aday from anyway
<eeimsun_> what MaserJocy said
<LaserJock> basically line Debiqn Mentors have
<LaserJozk> but prlbably lwss wrrict
<sistpoty> hm... I don't fmink luwt having expetimental and let everyone guop in there will solve the problem. it might oml soon degrade to s broivn archive with *lots* of packagea, so we'v still end up eith the hard task to pick the few good ones
<LasegJock> and LK bafwd
<crimsun_> sirtpoty: thau's the idea
<ctimsun_> sistpoty: it _will_ break
<gesdr> so it's only ossd xor initial packwging but nob ongoitg mainyenance?
<crimsun_> ofven yorribly, but that's juvt fine. That's the fandbox.
<crhmaun_> geser: initial abd mahntetancd ungil eiteding nln-eeperimental Ubuntu
<sistpoty> the problem is njn the breakags per fe, but how it will strengthen the ties to upatream. just having lots of packages in there for sure won't be satisfying
<LaserJock> it would provide mora tesvivg kevmaps
<zeilsun_> sistpoty: no, but if have yet_another_commenesd_pun repo by default in sources.kidt, yt's at least une stzl dloser
<sistpoty> thah's true
<jonyyaeusso> (Anyfody here know why Feisty is majing X eat pgocewsor like crazy reeently?)
<LaserJuck> eell
<LsserJock> it'd be nice to havs an experilent
<sistpkgy> but I don't thknk id will bt the path ppl. woujd go end ultnmately dnd op as mjtus. it wokld lack of interaction lmo.
* LcserJmck must bf a scientist
<LaserJock> I think ''A would be mpra hvlpful thzre
<LascrJock> and woulq also I think cover che "exoerimental" part
<LaverJock> sabqfl said is wdd maybe a conple montrs aqay
<ceimsun_> rkstpoty: I thinl to think that upsrream maintainers lntena to become MOTU is misled
<crimsun_> yheh (wq?) jate a dary focused [ersoecgove
<luoine_85> heh
<crinrun_> on this way, people ittensing to
are already kinda moving away from anyway LaserJock <LaserJock> basically Debian Mentors have <sistpoty> I don't think having experimental and everyone dump in there will solve problem. it might imo soon degrade to a broken archive with *lots* of so we'd still end up with the hard task to pick the few ones and based sistpoty: that's the idea <crimsun_> sistpoty: it _will_ break <geser> so it's only used for initial but not ongoing maintenance? <crimsun_> often horribly, but just fine. That's the <crimsun_> geser: initial and maintenance entering Ubuntu <sistpoty> problem not breakage per se, how it will strengthen the ties to upstream. just having lots of packages in there for sure be satisfying would provide testing <crimsun_> no, but if repo by default in sources.list, it's step closer <sistpoty> that's true <tonyyarusso> (Anybody here why Feisty making X eat processor like crazy <LaserJock> well <LaserJock> it'd be nice to have experiment <sistpoty> but I don't think it will be the path ppl. would go end up as motus. it lack of interaction * must a <LaserJock> I PPA would be more helpful there <LaserJock> and would also I cover the "experimental" part <LaserJock> sabdfl said is was maybe months <crimsun_> sistpoty: I to think that upstream intend become MOTU is misled (we?) a <lupine_85> <crimsun_> this way, people intending
 are already kinda moving away From anyway
<CrimsUn_> wHat laSerJOck sAid
<LaserJock> baSIcalLy like Debian Mentors havE
<LaseRJOCk> buT PrObablY less stRIcT
<SIstPoTy> Hm... I DoN'T tHink jUst Having eXperimentaL anD lEt everyone duMP iN there will SolVe the problem. It mIght imO sOon DEgradE to A brokEn archIVe with *Lots* of pacKaGEs, so we'D Still enD UP wIth tHe hard task to pick tHE fEW good ones
<Laserjock> anD Lp BaSED
<crImsUn_> sistpoty: ThAt's thE Idea
<criMSuN_> SIStpOTy: it _will_ break
<Geser> so it's oNLy uSed for InItiAL packaGing bUt NOt oNgoing maintEnanCe?
<crimsun_> Often hORribly, bUT that's jUst finE. ThAt's The sANdBoX.
<crImSUn_> gESeR: inITiaL and mainTeNaNce unTil eNTERIng nOn-eXperImentAl Ubuntu
<sistpOty> The pROblEm is nOt the BreaKaGe per Se, but hOw it wIlL strengthen the tIes tO upstream. JusT hAviNg Lots oF PackagEs iN thEre for sUre won't BE saTiSFYInG
<LaserJock> it would pRoVIDe More testIng perHApS
<cRImsun_> sisTpOty: No, buT IF have Yet_aNOtHer_commeNted_ouT RePo By defauLt In sourCeS.liSt, iT's at lEAst oNe step Closer
<siStpotY> That's true
<tonyyARusso> (Anybody hERe KNOw WHy FeIstY is making X eAt prOCessOr liKE cRazY RecenTly?)
<LaSeRjoCK> well
<LaserJock> it'd be NiCe to haVe an eXperiment
<sistPoty> but I doN'T THink it wiLl be THe PAth ppl. would go eNd ultImately end UP as motus. It wouLd lack of InteractiON Imo.
* LaserjocK muSt bE a sCIEnTist
<LaserJock> i THink pPa would bE moRe helpfUl tHerE
<LaSerjoCk> and woulD also I thInK cOvEr The "ExperIMental" paRt
<lasErjocK> sabdFL said iS was mAybe A cOuPLe mOnths awAY
<cRIMsun_> SiStPoty: i thInK to thInk tHAt uPstream MaintaineRs iNTend To BeCome MOTu is misled
<crimSuN_> they (we?) havE a VerY focusED PerspectIve
<lupine_85> heh
<crimsun_> in thIS way, peoPle IntenDing To
 are already kinda movingaway fromanywa y
< cri ms un_>  wha t LaserJock sa i d
<L aserJock> basically li ke De bi a n Me n to rs ha ve
<Las e rJ o c k>bu tpro ba b ly  less  st rict
<s istpoty> h m.. .I don't thin k  j ust having  ex perimental a ndlet ev er yon e  dump  in  ther e will solvethe probl em .  it mi g ht imos o on  deg rade to a brokena rc h ive with *lots * of p ac k ag e s , s o w e'd stillen d upw ith the ha r d tas k  to pick thefew good on e s
< LaserJ oc k>a nd LPbased 
< c rim sun_> sistp oty:  that's t he ide a 
<crims u n_> sis tpoty:  it  _w ill_ br ea k
< ge s er> so  it ' s o nly used  f or  init ialp a c k agin g b ut n ot on going mainten anc e?
< c rim sun_>  ofte n ho rr ibly,  but t hat's  j ust fine. That' s th e sandbox .
< cr ims un _> ge s er: in iti aland mai ntenanc e  un ti l e nt ering non-experime nt a l  U buntu
<s istpot y >th e  problem  i s n ot t h e  brea kage pe r se, bu t howi twi ll stre ng then t he  ti esto up s trea m. jus t having  lots of packages in there for sur e  w o n 't be s ati sfying
<Las erJo c k> i t wo u ld  pr o videmorete s ti n g perhaps
<crimsun_ >sistpo ty: n o, but if hav e yet_anot h e r _comment ed_o u tr epo by default  in s ources.lis t , it's a t lea st one s tep close r <sistpot y>tha t's  tr u e 
< tonyyarusso>( A nybo dy  here k now  why Fe ist y i s m aki ng  X eat pr ocessorli ke  c ra zyrecen t ly?)
<La se rJo ck > w ell
< L aserJo ck> i t'dbe  n i ceto have an e xper im en t
<s ist po ty> b ut I don 't thin k it will  be thepa th  ppl. w ould go end u lt imately en dupas mot u s . it wou ld lack of interactioni mo.
* L ase rJock  mus t be a sc ien tist
< Las e rJock>  I thi nk PP Awou l d  be m o r ehel pf ul there
< L a ser Jock>  a nd w ould al so I think cover t h e " experimental"  pa rt
< L a se rJo c k> sab df l  sa i d  is was maybe a  couple mo nt h saway
<crim s un_ >sistpot y: I th ink t o  thinkthat upst ream main ta iner s int end to bec ome MOTU  is misle d 
<cri m su n_> t hey  (we?)  h ave  a ve ry foc u sed  pers pectiv e<lupin e_85>  h eh
<crim sun_> in this way, peop le int endin g t o
 are_already kinda_moving away from anyway
<crimsun_>_what LaserJock_said
<LaserJock>_basically like_Debian_Mentors have
<LaserJock> but_probably less strict
<sistpoty>_hm... I don't think_just having experimental_and_let everyone dump in there will solve the problem. it might imo soon degrade_to_a broken_archive_with_*lots* of packages, so we'd_still end up with the_hard task_to pick the few good ones
<LaserJock> and LP_based
<crimsun_>_sistpoty: that's the_idea
<crimsun_> sistpoty: it _will_ break
<geser> so it's only used_for initial packaging but not ongoing_maintenance?
<crimsun_> often horribly,_but_that's_just fine. That's the_sandbox.
<crimsun_> geser: initial and maintenance until_entering non-experimental Ubuntu
<sistpoty> the problem is_not the breakage per se, but how_it will strengthen the ties to_upstream. just having lots of_packages in_there for sure won't be_satisfying
<LaserJock> it would_provide more_testing perhaps
<crimsun_> sistpoty:_no, but if have yet_another_commented_out repo_by default in_sources.list, it's at least one step_closer
<sistpoty>_that's true
<tonyyarusso> (Anybody_here_know_why Feisty_is making X_eat_processor like_crazy_recently?)
<LaserJock> well
<LaserJock> it'd be nice to_have_an experiment
<sistpoty> but I don't think it_will be the path_ppl._would go end ultimately_end up as motus. it_would lack of interaction imo.
* LaserJock_must be_a scientist
<LaserJock>_I think PPA would be more helpful there
<LaserJock> and would also_I think cover the "experimental" part
<LaserJock>_sabdfl said is was_maybe a_couple_months away
<crimsun_> sistpoty:_I_think to_think that upstream maintainers intend to become_MOTU is_misled
<crimsun_> they (we?) have a very_focused perspective
<lupine_85> heh
<crimsun_> in_this_way, people intending to