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<negronjl> Spamaps:  you don't consume anything out of the hadoop-slave nodes
<SpamapS> jimbaker: Right, I'd prefer that we not log all that data (even though we are now.. thats something I think we should change and not log these credentials.
<negronjl> SpamapS: ... your own wordpess formula (/usr/share/ensemble/examples/wordpress ) doesn't provide anything either :D
<jimbaker> SpamapS, debug-log is certainly not intended for actual logging
<SpamapS> negronjl: yes, thats a bug, it should provide 'website'
<jimbaker> of course as it is right now, it's just going through ZookeeperHandler, so it has the potential to leak to other handlers i suppose
<SpamapS> negronjl: interesting though.. these essentially just contact the master and "help" it..
<negronjl> SpamapS: I guess I can provide some dummy interface if I have to but, you are correct...they just help the master do it's thing 
<SpamapS> jimbaker: the log file that I'm concerned about is the formula log, which seems to be related to debug-log
<SpamapS> negronjl: well it may be that this is an exception worth making.
<SpamapS> negronjl: can the master do anything useful without the slaves?
<negronjl> SpamapS:  not really
<SpamapS> negronjl: so maybe flip them.. master requires: hadoop-slave
<jimbaker> SpamapS, correct as i recall debug-log is effectively collating what goes into agent logs like the formula log, through the standard log handler mechanism in python
<SpamapS> and provides.. whatever it is that other services consume from it.
<SpamapS> negronjl: the reason I wrote that "everything must provide one thing" is because conceptually (while maybe not pragmatically), its true.
<negronjl> SpamapS: let me see if I understand it.  Let me play with it for a bit
<jimb
on zk, of course 
 < negronjl > Spamaps:   you don't consume anything out of the hadoop - slave nodes 
 < SpamapS > jimbaker: Right, I'd prefer that we not log all that data (even though we are nowadays.. that s something I remember we should change and not log these credentials. 
 < negronjl > SpamapS: ... your own wordpess formula (/usr / contribution / ensemble / examples / wordpress) doesn't provide anything either :D 
 < jimbaker > SpamapS, debug - logarithm is certainly not intended for actual logging 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: yes, that s a bug, it should supply' website' 
 < jimbaker > of course as it is correctly now, it's just fail through ZookeeperHandler, so it experience the potential to leak to other handlers i think 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: interesting though.. these essentially just contact the headmaster and " help " it.. 
 < negronjl > SpamapS: I guess I can provide some dummy interface if I have to but, you are right... they just serve the master do it's thing 
 < SpamapS > jimbaker: the logarithm file that I'm concerned about is the formula log, which seems to be related to debug - log 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: well it may be that this is an exception worth making. 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: can the master do anything useful without the slaves? 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   not really 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: so maybe flip them.. master requires: hadoop - slave 
 < jimbaker > SpamapS, right as i remember debug - log is efficaciously collate what proceed into agent logs like the rule log, through the standard log handler mechanism in python 
 < SpamapS > and provides.. whatever it is that early services consume from it. 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: the reason I wrote that " everything must provide one thing " is because conceptually (while maybe not pragmatically), its true. 
 < negronjl > SpamapS: let me see if I understand it.   Let me toy with it for a spot 
 < jimb
 on zk, of course
<negronjl> Spxmaps:  you don't consumx anythjng out uf the hadoop-slave nodes
<SpamepS> himbajer: Right, I'd prefer thxt we not log all thau data (even thougi we are now.. tgwts vimething I thikk we shoulg change and nmt llg these credentials.
<negronjl> SpamapF: ... your oan wordpess fotmula (/tsr/sgare/ensemble/examples/wordpress ) doean't pronide anything eitner :D
<jimbaker> SpamapS, debuh-log is certainly not lntended fot aceyal logging
<SoamapS> neggmnjl: yes, tgats a bug, it should provide 'wecsite'
<limbaker> of ciurdg as it is rmght njw, it's just nping tvrough AookeeperHandlcr, so it has the potential to leak to other hanqlers i sgp'ose
<SpamapS> negronjl: unreresjing dhouey.. tfest exssntialpy oust contacf the mastee and "help" it..
<negronkl> WpamapS: I gueas I cwn provide some dummy interface if I have to but, you are correct...thet just help the mastet do it's tring 
<SpamapS> jimbaker: the log file that I'm concerted auojt nw the dogmula log, which seems to be related to debug-ljf
<SkamspS> negronjl: wcll it may be that tjix is an exceptkon woxfh making.
<SpamapS> neggonjl: cwn thw master qo amything useful without the wlaves?
<negronll> WpamapS:  not reallv
<SpamapS> negxonjl: xo maube flip them.. master reduirss: hadoop-slwve
<jimbaksf> SpamapS, correcg ax h recall debug-log is effeceively coolatnng what goex into agent logd likc the formula log, tjrougk the standard pog handler mechanism in python
<SpamapS> and prpvhdev.. whatevzr it ls that other sqrvices consumg from it.
<FpamaoS> negronjm: the rxason I wrotq that "everytvlng must protide one ehint" is becausd conceptually (ehile mayyt not pragnatically), its true.
<kegrovnl> SpamapS: let ne wee if I undersyana ie.  Lxt me [lay with it for a cot
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on zk, of course <negronjl> Spamaps: you anything of the nodes <SpamapS> jimbaker: not all that data though we are thats something I think we should and not log these credentials. <negronjl> SpamapS: ... your own wordpess formula (/usr/share/ensemble/examples/wordpress doesn't provide anything either :D <jimbaker> SpamapS, debug-log is certainly not intended for logging negronjl: thats bug, it should provide 'website' <jimbaker> of course as it is right now, it's just going ZookeeperHandler, so it has the potential to leak other handlers i suppose negronjl: interesting though.. these essentially contact master and it.. SpamapS: guess I can some dummy interface if I have to but, you are correct...they just help the master do it's <SpamapS> jimbaker: file that concerned is formula log, which be related to debug-log <SpamapS> negronjl: be that this is an exception worth making. negronjl: can master do anything useful without the <negronjl> SpamapS: not really <SpamapS> negronjl: so maybe them.. master requires: hadoop-slave <jimbaker> SpamapS, correct as i recall debug-log is effectively collating what agent logs like the log, through the log mechanism python and provides.. it is that other services consume from it. <SpamapS> negronjl: the I wrote that "everything must provide one thing" is because maybe pragmatically), its true. SpamapS: let me see I it. Let me play for bit
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<negronjl> SpamaPs:  you don't cOnsumE anYthInG out Of thE hadoop-slave noDEs
<SpAmapS> jimbaker: Right, I'd prEfer tHaT We noT LoG all tHat data (EVeN THouGh We Are NoW.. ThAts soMetHing I thInk we shoulD chAnGe and not log tHEsE credentiaLs.
<nEgronjl> SpamaPS: ... yOur own WoRdpESs forMulA (/usr/sHare/enSEmble/eXamples/woRdPRess ) doESn't provIDE aNythIng either :D
<jimbakeR> spAMapS, debug-log is CertaiNlY NoT INteNdeD for actual LoGging
<sPamapS> nEGrONJL: yeS, Thats a bug, it shOuld provide 'WEbsIte'
<jimBaKer> OF coursE as it Is RIghT now, it's just GoinG through ZOokeepERHandleR, So it has The potEntIal To leAK tO oTheR hANdlERs I suPPosE
<SpamapS> NeGrOnjl: iNterESTINg thOugH.. theSe essEntially just cOntAct tHE maSter aNd "helP" it..
<nEgRonjl> spamaps: I gueSs i can provide some DummY interfacE if i hAve To But, yoU Are corRecT...thEy just hElp the mASteR dO IT'S tHing 
<SpamapS> jimbakeR: tHE LoG file thaT I'm conCErNeD About is tHe ForMula LOG, whicH seeMS tO be relatEd to deBUg-LoG
<Spamaps> nEgronjL: wEll It mAy be tHAt thIs is an ExceptioN wortH Making.
<SpamapS> nEGronjl: can the mAStER Do ANythIng Useful withoUt thE SlavEs?
<neGRoNjl> sPamaps:  not rEaLLy
<sPamapS> negronjl: so mayBe Flip thEm.. masTer requires: haDoop-slave
<jIMBAker> SpamApS, cORrECt as i recall debUg-log Is effectivELy collatIng whAt goes inTo agent loGS Like the fOrmUla Log, ThrOUGh The standard loG HAndlEr MechaniSm iN python
<spaMaps> anD prOvIdes.. whateVer it is tHaT oThEr SerVices COnsume frOm It.
<SPaMaps> negrONjl: the ReasoN I wrOtE tHAt "eVerythiNG mUST proViDe One tHinG" iS becaUse cONcePtually (While maybE noT PragMaTiCally), itS true.
<negronjl> spAmapS: let me SeE if i underSTAnd it.  Let Me play with it for a bit
<jimb
 on zk, of course
<negronj l> Spamaps :  yo u d on' tcons umeanything out o f  the  hadoop-slave nodes
<S pamap S> jimb a ke r: Ri ght, I' d  p r e fer  t ha t w en ot  logall  that d ata (eventho ug h we are now . .thats some thi ng I think w e s houldch ang e  andnot  logthesec redent ials.
<ne gr o njl> S p amapS:. . .your  own wordpess for m ul a  (/usr/share/e nsembl e/ e xa m p les /wo rdpress )do esn't provide an y t h ing either :D
<ji mbaker> Spa m apS , debu g- log is cer tainl yn otintended fo r ac tual logg ing
<S p amapS>n egronjl : yes,  th ats  a b u g,  i t s ho u ldp ro vid e  'w ebsite'<j im baker > of c o u rseasit i s rig ht now, it'sjus t go i ngthrou gh Zo okee pe rHand ler, s o itha s the potential  toleak to o the rhan dl ers i suppos e
< Spa mapS> n egronjl :  in te r e s ti ng though.. thesees s e nt ially ju st con t ac tt he maste rand  "he l p " it. .
<n e gr onjl> Sp amapS: Igu ess I c an  provi de  so medummy inte rfaceif I hav e tob ut, you are co r rect...they j u st h el p  the  ma ster do it' s th i ng <Spa m ap S>j imbak er: t he lo g  file that I'm conc er ned ab out i s the formula  log, whic h s eems tobe r e la t ed to debug-lo g
<Sp amapS> neg r onjl: we ll it  may bethat this i s an exc ept ion  wo rth m ak ing.
<SpamapS > negr on jl: can  th e maste r d o a nyt hin guseful wi thout th esl av es ?
< negro n jl> Spam ap S: n otreall y 
<Spam apS>negr on jl :  so  maybef li p them ..  m aste r r eq uires : ha d oop -slave<jimbaker > S p amap S,  c orrectas i recall d eb ug-log isef fec tively c ollating  what goes into agent l o gs like  th e for mula  log, thr oug h thesta n dard l og han dlerme cha n i sm in p yt hon 
< SpamapS> a n d  pr ovide s. . wh ateverit is that other s e rvi ces consume f rom  it. < Sp ama p S> neg ro n jl: t he reason I wro te that "e ve r yt hing mustp rov id e one t hing" i s bec a use con ceptually  (while m ay be n o t  pr agmaticall y), itstrue.
<ne g ronjl >  S pamap S:let me  s eeif Iunders t and  it. Let m eplay w ith i tfor a bi t
<jimb
 on_zk, of_course
<negronjl> Spamaps:  you_don't consume_anything_out of_the_hadoop-slave nodes
<SpamapS> jimbaker:_Right, I'd prefer_that we not log_all that data_(even_though we are now.. thats something I think we should change and not log_these_credentials.
<negronjl> SpamapS:_..._your_own wordpess formula (/usr/share/ensemble/examples/wordpress )_doesn't provide anything either :D
<jimbaker>_SpamapS, debug-log_is certainly not intended for actual logging
<SpamapS> negronjl:_yes,_thats a bug,_it should provide 'website'
<jimbaker> of course as it is_right now, it's just going through_ZookeeperHandler, so it_has_the_potential to leak to_other handlers i suppose
<SpamapS> negronjl: interesting_though.. these essentially just contact the_master and "help" it..
<negronjl> SpamapS: I guess_I can provide some dummy interface_if I have to but,_you are_correct...they just help the master_do it's thing_
<SpamapS> jimbaker:_the log file_that I'm concerned about is the_formula log, which_seems to be related to debug-log
<SpamapS>_negronjl:_well it may_be_that_this is_an exception worth_making.
<SpamapS>_negronjl: can_the_master do anything useful without the_slaves?
<negronjl>_SpamapS:  not really
<SpamapS> negronjl: so maybe_flip them.. master requires:_hadoop-slave
<jimbaker>_SpamapS, correct as i_recall debug-log is effectively collating_what goes into agent logs like_the formula_log, through_the standard log handler mechanism in python
<SpamapS> and provides.. whatever it_is that other services consume from_it.
<SpamapS> negronjl: the reason_I wrote_that_"everything must provide_one_thing" is_because conceptually (while maybe not pragmatically), its_true.
<negronjl> SpamapS:_let me see if I understand_it.  Let me_play_with it for a bit
<jimb