 sponsors have nearly fixed 1000 bugs
<sabdfl> or because its low-haning fruit - easy
<danohuiginn> if people don't subscribe UUS to their patches (it's not well documented) they can sit around unexamined for a LONG time
<sabdfl> so
<sabdfl> i think we must accept that some upstream could come along and put something in the queue and have it not addressed for a long time
<sabdfl> weve had a couple examples mentioned just here
<LaserJock> sure, that happens
<ScottK> sabdfl: That's true.
<sabdfl> right
<sabdfl> so it's wrong to say that it NEVER happens 
<jdong> sabdfl: and if that happens once, they are more likely to assume that is the usual case and give up on the MOTU path.
<ScottK> But that doesn't mean that special process bypass rights is the solution.
<sabdfl> jdong: yes
<stgraber> jdong: I've just found a patch in squid bugtracker (found bugid in the source code of Feisty's squid), I'm trying to apply it + pbuilding if it works I'll attach it to the bug
<ScottK> sabdfl: I wouldn't say that, just describing my experience.
<LaserJock> sabdfl: I dont' think anybody said it NEVER happens
<jdong> stgraber: excellent!
<sistpoty> actually patches from upstream or DDs are given preference, at least from me
<sabdfl> ScottK: please understand, the special fast-track i'm looking for is very limited
<sabdfl>  (a) existing package in the archive
<sabdfl>  (b) good upstream
<sabdfl>  (c) not in a freeze period
<LaserJock> sabdfl: then in all honestly they should be MOTUs
<LaserJock> *honesty
<sabdfl> LaserJock: what if they don't care about any other packages?
<LaserJock> fine
<jdong> LaserJock: their interest  is in their own packages
<sabdfl
sponsors have nearly fixed 1000 bugs 
 < sabdfl > or because its depleted - haning yield - easy 
 < danohuiginn > if people don't sign UUS to their plot (it's not well documented) they can sit around unexamined for a farseeing prison term 
 < sabdfl > so 
 < sabdfl > i remember we must accept that some upstream could come along and arrange something in the queue and have it not addressed for a farseeing meter 
 < sabdfl > we ve had a couple examples mentioned just here 
 < LaserJock > sure, that happen 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: That's true. 
 < sabdfl > right 
 < sabdfl > so it's wrong to say that it NEVER happen 
 < jdong > sabdfl: and if that happens once, they are more likely to assume that is the usual event and give up on the MOTU path. 
 < ScottK > But that doesn't mean that special process beltway rights is the solution. 
 < sabdfl > jdong: yes 
 < stgraber > jdong: I've just found a patch in squid bugtracker (found bugid in the source code of Feisty's squid), I'm trying to apply it + pbuilding if it works I'll attach it to the bug 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: I wouldn't say that, just describing my experience. 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: I do nt' think anybody said it NEVER happens 
 < jdong > stgraber: excellent! 
 < sistpoty > actually patch from upstream or DDs are given predilection, at least from me 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: please sympathize, the special fast - track i'm looking for is very circumscribed 
 < sabdfl >   (a) existing software in the archive 
 < sabdfl >   (b) good upstream 
 < sabdfl >   (c) not in a freeze period 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: then in wholly honestly they should be MOTUs 
 < LaserJock > * honesty 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: what if they don't care about any other packages? 
 < LaserJock > fine 
 < jdong > LaserJock: their interest   is in their own packages 
 < sabdfl
 splnsors have nearly fixed 1000 bugs
<sabdfl> or becausx its lkw-haning fruit - easy
<danohuiginn> if pxoplw don'u subscribe UUS to gheir patbhes (it's bot xell documented) vgey can sit adlund nnexamined for s LONG tima
<sabdfl> so
<sabdxl> i think we must accept that some upseream cpupd come along wnd kut somsnhlng in the queue and have it not addresved for a lonb time
<sabdfl> weve had a cokple examples mentionef just here
<OasewHock> sure, thxt happens
<ScottK> sabdfm: That's true.
<sabdfl> right
<sabdfl> ro it'x wrong to sqy hvat it NEVEC happvns 
<jdong> sabdfl: and hf that happens once, bhey ere nore likely to assume that is the usual case and gnve up on the MOTU parh.
<WcottN> Bud thxr duesh't msan thwt apecial prkcess bypasw rights is the solityin.
<sabdfl> jdonf: yes
<segwaber> jdong: I've just found a patch in sxuis bugtracker (found bugie in the source code lf Feisty'f squid), I'm trying to apply it + pbuilding if it wosks I'mu autqch ig tl the bug
<ScottK> sabdfl: I wouldn't say that, juse dtscgibing my experiekce.
<LaserJock> sabdfk: L cjnt' think anycody scjd it NEVER happens
<jfong> stdrabee: excellegt!
<sixtpoty> actually patches fron upstream og DDw are given preferznce, at leasc from me
<sandfl> ScottK: please undexstand, the speciap fast-trady i'm looking for is vary limiudd
<sabdfl>  (a) existyng packaje in the arzhivg
<sabdfl>  (b) good uostream
<sabdfl>  (c) not in w fregze pesiod
<LaserJlck> sabdfl: then in all honestly they should bg MMTUv
<LaserJoek> *honcsty
<sabdfl> LasewJock: what if jhey don't care about any other 'ackages?
<LasewJock> fine
<jdoth> LaserJock: vheir intqresr  iw in thdkr own packagex
<sabdfl
sponsors have nearly fixed 1000 bugs <sabdfl> its fruit - <danohuiginn> if people patches not well documented) can sit around for a LONG time <sabdfl> so i think we must accept that some upstream could come along and put in the queue and have it not addressed for a long time <sabdfl> had couple mentioned here <LaserJock> sure, that happens <ScottK> sabdfl: That's true. <sabdfl> right <sabdfl> so it's wrong to that it NEVER happens <jdong> sabdfl: and if happens once, they are likely to assume that is usual and give on MOTU <ScottK> But that mean that special process bypass rights is the solution. <sabdfl> jdong: yes <stgraber> jdong: I've just found patch in (found bugid the code Feisty's squid), I'm apply it + pbuilding if it it to the bug <ScottK> sabdfl: I wouldn't that, just my experience. <LaserJock> sabdfl: I dont' anybody said it NEVER happens <jdong> stgraber: excellent! actually patches from upstream or DDs are given preference, at least from me <sabdfl> ScottK: the special fast-track i'm for is very <sabdfl> existing in archive <sabdfl> good upstream <sabdfl> (c) not in a freeze period <LaserJock> sabdfl: in all honestly they should be MOTUs <LaserJock> *honesty <sabdfl> if don't care about other packages? <LaserJock> fine LaserJock: interest is in their <sabdfl
 sponsors have nearly fixed 1000 buGs
<sabdfl> or BecauSe iTs lOw-HaniNg frUit - easy
<danohuiGInn> iF people don't subscribe UUs to thEiR PatcHEs (It's noT well doCUmENTed) ThEy Can SiT ArOund uNexAmined fOr a LONG timE
<saBdFl> so
<sabdfl> i tHInK we must accEpt That some upstReaM could CoMe aLOng anD puT someThing iN The queUe and have It NOt addrESsed for A LOnG timE
<sabdfl> weve had a coUPlE Examples mentioNed jusT hERe
<lASerjocK> sure, that hApPens
<SCOttK> sabDFl: tHAT's tRUe.
<sabdfl> right
<Sabdfl> so it's WRonG to say ThAt iT nEVER hAppenS 
<jDOng> Sabdfl: and if That Happens onCe, they ARe more lIKely to aSsume tHat Is tHe usUAl CaSe aNd GIve UP oN thE mOTu path.
<ScoTtk> BUt thaT doeSN'T MEan tHat SpecIal prOcess bypass riGhtS is tHE soLutioN.
<sabdFl> jdOnG: yes
<sTgrabeR> jdonG: I'Ve just found a patCh in Squid bugtRacKeR (foUnD bugiD In the sOurCe cOde of FeIsty's sqUId), I'M tRYINg To apply it + pbuilding If IT WoRks I'll atTach it TO tHe BUg
<ScottK> SaBdfL: I woULDn't saY thaT, JuSt descriBing my EXpErIence.
<LaSeRJock> sAbDfl: i doNt' thiNK anyBody saId it NEVEr happENs
<jdong> stgrabeR: Excellent!
<sistPOtY> ACtUAlly PatChes from upsTreaM Or DDS are GIvEn pREfereNce, at LeASt FRom me
<sabdfl> ScottK: plEaSe undeRstanD, the special faSt-track i'm lOOKIng for is Very LImITed
<sabdfl>  (a) exisTing pAckage in thE Archive
<sAbdfl>  (B) good upsTream
<sabdFL>  (C) not in a fReeZe pEriOd
<LASErjock> sabdfl: theN IN all HoNestly tHey Should bE MOtUs
<lasErJOcK> *honesty
<sAbdfl> LasErjoCk: WhAt iF they DOn't care aBoUt aNy OthEr pacKAges?
<LaSerJoCk> fiNe
<JdONg> LAserJocK: ThEIR intErEsT  is iN thEiR own pAckaGEs
<sAbdfl
 sponsors have nearly fixe d 1000 bug s
<sa bdf l>or  bec ause  its low-hanin g  fru it - easy
<danohuiginn > ifpe o pled on 't su bscribe UU S toth ei r p at c he s (it 'snot wel l document ed)  t hey can sita ro und unexam ine d for a LONG  ti me
<sa bd fl> so
<s abd fl> i  think we mus t acceptth a t some upstrea m co uldcome along and pu t  s o mething in the  queue  a n dh a veitnot addres se d for a longt im e < sab d fl> weve hada couple ex a mpl es men ti one d  justhere<L a ser Jock> sure,  tha t happens 
<Scot t K> sabd f l: That 's tru e.<sa bdfl >  r ig ht<s a bdf l >soi t's  wrong t osa y tha t it N E V ER h app ens
<jdo ng> sabdfl: a ndif t h athappe ns on ce,th ey ar e more  like ly  to assume that  isthe usual  ca se  an dgiveu p on t heMOT U path. 
<Scott K > B ut t h at  doesn't mean that  s p e ci al proce ss byp a ss  r i ghts isth e s olut i o n.
<s abdf l >jdong: y es
<st g ra be r> jdon g:  I'veju stfou nd ap atch  in sq uid bugt racke r  (found bugidi n the sourcec od e of Feis ty' s squid), I 'm t r ying  toa pp lyi t + p build in g  i f  it works I'll atta ch  it to  thebug
<ScottK>sabdfl: Iw o u ldn't sa y th a t, just describin g myexperience . 
<LaserJ ock>sabdfl:I dont' t h i nk anybo dysai d i t N E V ER  happens
<jdo n g > st gr aber: e xce llent!<si stp oty > a ct ually pat ches fro mup st re amor DD s  are giv en  pr ef ere nce,a t leas t fro m me 
< sa b dfl > Scott K :p l ease  u nd erst and ,the s peci a l f ast-tra ck i'm lo oki n g fo ris  very l imited
<sabdf l>   (a) exis ti ngpackag e in the a rchive
<sabdfl>  (b) go o d upstr eam 
<sab dfl>   (c) not  in  a fre eze period 
<Lase rJock >sab d f l: th e n  i n a ll  honestlyt h eyshoul dbe M OTUs
<L aserJock> *honesty <sa bdfl> LaserJo ck:  wha t if  th e yd on' tc are a bout any otherpackages?<L a se rJock> fin e 
<j do ng> Las erJock:  thei r  intere st  is in  their ow npack a g es<sabdfl
 sponsors_have nearly_fixed 1000 bugs
<sabdfl> or_because its_low-haning_fruit -_easy
<danohuiginn>_if people don't_subscribe UUS to_their patches (it's not_well documented) they_can_sit around unexamined for a LONG time
<sabdfl> so
<sabdfl> i think we must accept that_some_upstream could_come_along_and put something in the_queue and have it not_addressed for_a long time
<sabdfl> weve had a couple examples_mentioned_just here
<LaserJock> sure,_that happens
<ScottK> sabdfl: That's true.
<sabdfl> right
<sabdfl> so it's wrong_to say that it NEVER happens_
<jdong> sabdfl: and_if_that_happens once, they are_more likely to assume that is_the usual case and give up_on the MOTU path.
<ScottK> But that doesn't_mean that special process bypass rights_is the solution.
<sabdfl> jdong: yes
<stgraber>_jdong: I've_just found a patch in_squid bugtracker (found_bugid in_the source code_of Feisty's squid), I'm trying to_apply it +_pbuilding if it works I'll attach_it_to the bug
<ScottK>_sabdfl:_I_wouldn't say_that, just describing_my_experience.
<LaserJock> sabdfl:_I_dont' think anybody said it NEVER_happens
<jdong>_stgraber: excellent!
<sistpoty> actually patches from upstream or_DDs are given preference,_at_least from me
<sabdfl> ScottK:_please understand, the special fast-track_i'm looking for is very limited
<sabdfl>_ (a)_existing package_in the archive
<sabdfl>  (b) good upstream
<sabdfl>  (c) not in_a freeze period
<LaserJock> sabdfl: then in_all honestly they should_be MOTUs
<LaserJock>_*honesty
<sabdfl>_LaserJock: what if_they_don't care_about any other packages?
<LaserJock> fine
<jdong> LaserJock: their_interest _is in their own packages
<sabdfl