 if i'm using wireless i don't expect anything to be secure
<Amaranth> natroll: i meant for keeping people from joining your network
<tseng> i dont expect anything to be secure if im plugged into a switch
<tseng> w/o ssl
<natroll> lol
<tseng> Amaranth++;
<Kyral> anyone?
<Amaranth> anyway, i gotta catch a ride
<natroll> Amaranth, yeah, WEP functions as a deterrant for your average user, which I'm sure i'm surrounded by
<Amaranth> hopefully the meeting won't be over when i get back
<crimsun> Kyral: place it on the wiki?
<Amaranth> natroll: it stops the smart people too
<Amaranth> natroll: unless you have bad/old hardware
* Kyral falls down
<Amaranth> natroll: there are no weak packets/ivs to work with
<Kyral> nevermidn I'll keep quiet
<Amaranth> natroll: i can scan a network for hours and only get 12 of them
<natroll> Amaranth, there are techniques to generate traffic on those networks to get more weak packets
<tseng> he wasnt talking about level of traffic
<tseng> he was talking about fixing weaknesses in early wep
<tseng> this is getting pretty boring, and off topic
<Mr_Spiff> regardless WPA is obviously preferred at colleges ;)
<tseng> if you want encryption
<tseng> use ssh/ssl
<natroll> the weaknesses still exist.  Well, according to my network security instructor who goes to SANS every year
<crimsun> wpa2 is preferable, but I am NOT a fan of the extra amount of work that MUST occur over and beyond what already needs to be done
<natroll> i'm not saying the implementation hasn't improved
<natroll> crimsun, indeed, ideally we need some sort of authentication with generated keys, similar to vpn connections and whatnot
<Mr_Spiff> this is strange, of course everyone has a package or fix they'd love to get into the new ubuntu
* natroll has one....*cries*
<Mr_Spiff> i mean of course *buntu maintainers care about *
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if i'm using wireless i don't expect anything to be secure 
 < Amaranth > natroll: i mean for sustain people from joining your network 
 < tseng > i do nt have a bun in the oven anything to be secure if i m plugged into a substitution 
 < tseng > w/o ssl 
 < natroll > lol 
 < tseng > Amaranth++; 
 < Kyral > anyone? 
 < Amaranth > anyway, i got ta catch a drive 
 < natroll > Amaranth, yeah, WEP function as a deterrant for your average drug user, which I'm sure i'm surrounded by 
 < Amaranth > hopefully the confluence won't be all over when i get back 
 < crimsun > Kyral: place it on the wiki? 
 < Amaranth > natroll: it stop the smart people excessively 
 < Amaranth > natroll: unless you have bad / old hardware 
 * Kyral fall down 
 < Amaranth > natroll: there are no weak packets / ivs to work with 
 < Kyral > nevermidn I'll continue quiet 
 < Amaranth > natroll: i can scan a network for hours and only catch 12 of them 
 < natroll > Amaranth, there are techniques to generate traffic on those networks to beget more weak packets 
 < tseng > he was nt talking about level of traffic 
 < tseng > he was talking about fixing weaknesses in early wep 
 < tseng > this is getting pretty boring, and off subject 
 < Mr_Spiff > regardless WPA is obviously prefer at colleges ;) 
 < tseng > if you desire encoding 
 < tseng > use ssh / ssl 
 < natroll > the weaknesses still exist.   Well, according to my network security system instructor who run to SANS every year 
 < crimsun > wpa2 is preferable, but I am NOT a fan of the excess amount of work that MUST occur over and beyond what already needs to be done 
 < natroll > i'm not saying the implementation hasn't improved 
 < natroll > crimsun, indeed, ideally we need some sort of authentication with generated key, similar to vpn connection and whatnot 
 < Mr_Spiff > this is foreign, of course everyone has a package or fix they'd love to get into the new ubuntu 
 * natroll has one.... *cries * 
 < Mr_Spiff > i think of of course * buntu maintainers care about * 
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 if i'm using wireless i don'u expect anything to be vecure
<Zmaranth> natroll: i meant for keeping pwople from joining your netdork
<tseng> i dont wxpert anything to bx secure if im iluggzd into a switch
<jseng> w/o ssl
<tatroll> lol
<tsetg> Alaranth++;
<Kyral> anyone?
<Amaranth> anyway, y gotta cwtch a ride
<nattoll> Siarahnh, yeah, WEP functions as a detedrant fmr your averabe user, which I'm sure i'm skrroknded by
<Amaranth> hlpefully thg meqring won't be over when i get back
<ctimsun> Kyral: place it on the wikk?
<Amarcnth> natrolo: ut djops the smact peoile too
<Amaranbn> natrmll: unlrss you have bsd/ond yardware
* Kyral falls vown
<Amaranth> natroll: there ara uo weak packets/ivs to wirk whth
<Kfral> bevdrmjdi I'ml keeo qniet
<Amarantg> natroll: i can scan a network fjg hours and ohly gee 12 of them
<natroll> Amaranth, there are techtiqhes to generate traffic on those networks to get more weak packets
<tseng> he wasnt talking about level ox trahfkc
<twekg> hd wws talking about fixing weaknesses in early wql
<txekg> this is gettikg pretty boring, amd ogs topic
<Mr_Spifw> regaxslsss WPA is obviouspy prefgrred qt collegts ;)
<tsrng> if you want encryption
<tweng> use ssh/fwl
<natroll> the weakuesses still exixt.  Wrll, according to my netcork sscurity inshructor wgu goes to SANS exerj yedr
<crimsun> wpa2 is preferablq, but I an NOC a fan uf tne extwa amount lf wovn that MUST occur lver cnd bayond what already needs to be done
<natroll> i'm not sayinb dhe implemeutatiok hasn't improveq
<natroll> crimson, indeed, ideauly we nees some vort of autrentication whjh generated neys, simylar to cpn convdctions and whstnot
<Mr_Sppfy> this is strange, of course evgrgone has a packcye or fix they'd lpve to gvt mnto eve new ubuntg
* nagrouk has one....*critf*
<Mv_Spkff> o mean of course *bundu mzintainers care abpub *
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if i'm using wireless i don't expect be <Amaranth> natroll: meant for keeping <tseng> dont expect anything be secure if plugged into a switch <tseng> w/o <natroll> lol <tseng> Amaranth++; <Kyral> anyone? <Amaranth> anyway, i gotta catch a ride Amaranth, yeah, WEP functions as a deterrant for your average user, which I'm i'm by hopefully meeting won't be over when i get back <crimsun> Kyral: place it on the wiki? <Amaranth> it stops the smart people too <Amaranth> natroll: you have bad/old hardware Kyral falls down <Amaranth> natroll: are weak packets/ivs work <Kyral> I'll keep quiet natroll: i can scan a network for hours and only get 12 of them <natroll> Amaranth, there techniques to on those to more packets <tseng> he about level of traffic <tseng> he fixing weaknesses in early wep <tseng> this is pretty boring, off topic <Mr_Spiff> regardless WPA is preferred at colleges ;) <tseng> if you want <tseng> use ssh/ssl <natroll> the weaknesses still exist. Well, according to my network security instructor to SANS every year wpa2 is preferable, I NOT fan the extra of work that MUST occur over and beyond what already needs be done <natroll> i'm not saying the implementation hasn't improved indeed, we need some of authentication with generated similar vpn connections and whatnot is of a or they'd love to get the new ubuntu * natroll one....*cries* <Mr_Spiff> i mean about * <
 if i'm using wireless i don't expEct anythinG to be SecUre
<amAranTh> naTroll: i meant for KEepiNg people from joining youR netwOrK
<TsenG> I dOnt exPect anyTHiNG To bE sEcUre If IM pLuggeD inTo a switCh
<tseng> w/o sSl
<nAtRoll> lol
<tseng> aMaRanth++;
<Kyral> AnyOne?
<Amaranth> aNywAy, i gotTa CatCH a ridE
<naTroll> amaranTH, yeah, WeP functioNs AS a deteRRant for YOUr AverAge user, which I'm surE I'm SUrrounded by
<AmaRanth> hOpEFuLLY thE meEting won't bE oVer whEN i get baCK
<cRIMSun> kYral: place it on The wiki?
<AmarANth> NatrolL: iT stOPs the sMart pEoPLe tOo
<Amaranth> nAtroLl: unless yOu have BAd/old haRDware
* KyRal falLs dOwn
<amarANtH> nAtrOlL: TheRE aRe nO WeaK packets/IvS tO work With
<kYRAL> nevErmIdn I'Ll keeP quiet
<AmarantH> naTrolL: I caN scan A netwOrk fOr Hours And onlY get 12 oF tHem
<natroll> AmaraNth, tHere are teChnIqUes To GenerATe trafFic On tHose netWorks to GEt mOrE WEAk Packets
<tseng> he wasnT tALKiNg about lEvel of TRaFfIC
<tseng> he WaS taLkinG ABout fIxinG WeAknesses In earlY WeP
<tSeng> thiS iS gettiNg PreTty BorinG, And oFf topiC
<Mr_Spiff> RegarDLess WPA is obvioUSly preferred aT CoLLEgES ;)
<tseNg> iF you want encRyptIOn
<tsEng> uSE sSh/sSL
<natrOll> thE wEAkNEsses still exist.  Well, AcCordinG to my Network securiTy instructOR WHo goes to sANS EVeRY year
<crimsun> wpA2 is prEferable, buT i am NOT a fAn of tHe extra aMount of woRK That MUST OccUr oVer And BEYoNd what already NEEds tO bE done
<naTroLl> i'm not SayIng The ImpLeMentation Hasn't impRoVeD
<nAtRolL> crimSUn, indeed, IdEalLy We nEed soME sort oF authEntiCaTiON wiTh generATeD KEys, sImIlAr to Vpn CoNnectIons ANd wHatnot
<MR_Spiff> thiS is STranGe, Of Course eVeryone has a paCkAge or fix thEy'D loVe to geT INto the neW ubuntu
* natroll has one....*criES*
<Mr_SpifF> i mEan of CourSe *buntu maIntAiners CarE About *
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 if i'm using wireless i d on't expec t any thi ngto  besecu re
<Amaranth>n atro ll: i meant for keepin g peo pl e  fro m  j oinin g yourn et w o rk<t se ng>  i do nt ex pec t anyth ing to besec ur e if im plug g ed  into a sw itc h
<tseng> w/ o s sl
<na tr oll >  lol<ts eng>Amaran t h++;
< Kyral> an yo n e?
<Am a ranth>a n yw ay,i gotta catch a r i de <natroll> Amar anth,ye a h, W EPfun ctions asadeter r ant for yo u r ave r age user, whi ch I'm sure i'm  surro un ded by
<Am arant h> hop efully themeet ing won't  be ov e r wheni  get ba ck
<cr ims un>  Kyr a l:  p lac ei t o n  t hew iki ?
<Amara nt h>  natr oll: i t stop s t he s martpeople too
<A mar anth >  na troll : unl essyo u hav e bad/ old h ar dware
* Kyral f alls  down
<Am ara nt h>na troll :  there  ar e n o weakpackets / ivs  t o w or k with
<Kyral> nev er m i dn  I'll ke ep qui e t<A m aranth>na tro ll:i can s cana  n etwork f or hou r san d onlyge t 12 o fthe m
< natro l l> A marant h, there  aret echniques to g e nerate traffi c  o n th o se n etw orks to get  mor e  wea k pa c ke ts< tseng > hewa s nt talking about level  o f traf fic
< tseng> he was  talking a b o u t fixing  wea k ne s ses in early w ep
<t seng> this is getti ng pr etty bor ing, ando f f topic<Mr _Sp iff > r e g ar dless WPA iso b viou sl y prefe rre d at co lle ges  ;) 
<t se ng> if yo u want e nc ry pt io n
< tseng >  use ssh /s sl<n atr oll>t he wea kness es s ti ll exi st.  We l l, a ccor di ng  tomyne twork  sec u rit y instr uctor who  go e s to  S AN S every  year
<crimsu n>  wpa2 is p re fer able,b u t I am N OT a fan of the extra a m ount of  wo rk th at M UST occur  ov er and  be y ond wh at alr eadyne eds t o bed o ne 
<n at roll> i'mn o t s aying  t he i mplemen tation hasn't impr o ved 
<natroll> cr ims un,i n de ed, id e all yw e n e e d some sort ofauthentica ti o nwith gener a ted  k eys, si milar t o vpn connect ions andwhatnot
< Mr _Spi f f > t his is str ange, of  course e v eryon e  h as apac kage o rfix  they 'd lov e  to  getinto t he  new u buntu 
*  natroll  has one....*cries*
<Mr _Spiff > i m ean  of cours e * b unt u maintai ners  care abou t * 
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 if_i'm using_wireless i don't expect_anything to_be_secure
<Amaranth> natroll:_i_meant for keeping_people from joining_your network
<tseng> i dont_expect anything to_be_secure if im plugged into a switch
<tseng> w/o ssl
<natroll> lol
<tseng> Amaranth++;
<Kyral> anyone?
<Amaranth> anyway, i_gotta_catch a_ride
<natroll>_Amaranth,_yeah, WEP functions as a_deterrant for your average user,_which I'm_sure i'm surrounded by
<Amaranth> hopefully the meeting won't_be_over when i_get back
<crimsun> Kyral: place it on the wiki?
<Amaranth> natroll:_it stops the smart people too
<Amaranth>_natroll: unless you_have_bad/old_hardware
* Kyral falls down
<Amaranth>_natroll: there are no weak packets/ivs_to work with
<Kyral> nevermidn I'll keep_quiet
<Amaranth> natroll: i can scan a network_for hours and only get 12_of them
<natroll> Amaranth, there are_techniques to_generate traffic on those networks_to get more_weak packets
<tseng>_he wasnt talking_about level of traffic
<tseng> he was_talking about fixing_weaknesses in early wep
<tseng> this is_getting_pretty boring, and_off_topic
<Mr_Spiff>_regardless WPA_is obviously preferred_at_colleges ;)
<tseng>_if_you want encryption
<tseng> use ssh/ssl
<natroll> the_weaknesses_still exist.  Well, according to my_network security instructor who_goes_to SANS every year
<crimsun>_wpa2 is preferable, but I_am NOT a fan of the_extra amount_of work_that MUST occur over and beyond what already needs to be_done
<natroll> i'm not saying the implementation_hasn't improved
<natroll> crimsun, indeed,_ideally we_need_some sort of_authentication_with generated_keys, similar to vpn connections and whatnot
<Mr_Spiff>_this is_strange, of course everyone has a_package or fix they'd_love_to get into the new ubuntu
*_natroll has one....*cries*
<Mr_Spiff> i mean of_course *buntu maintainers care about_*
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