 way to go
<LaserJock> to tie into Debian, etc.
<sistpoty> sounds sane
<LaserJock> ok, a quick grep shows that Candidates has roughly 450 items
<sistpoty> a bigger bite then ;)
<LaserJock> well, it shouldn't be to hard to just look at a few, see if they are even plausible (not already in Debian/Ubuntu and are packagable)
<sistpoty> yep
* LaserJock groans at ubuntu-motu
<LaserJock> I don't even want to look
<jdong> Beryl Beryl!
<jdong> oh wait that's actually happening.
<sistpoty> LaserJock: I hope I got it right this time :P
<LaserJock> Mark could have had better timing for us
<LaserJock> but that's the way it goes
<sistpoty> I guess I'll have gray hair after the MC period, or will end up with nerves of steel *g*
<LaserJock> seems completely unecessary, IMO
<sistpoty> (or both)
<LaserJock> good sponsorship should be just fine
<LaserJock> what we really need are Freeze exceptions filed
<LaserJock> not fast-tracked MOTUships
<sistpoty> hm... the restricted upload rights for a set of packages might still be a worthwhile thing.
<LaserJock> ugg
<LaserJock> I think that's a horrible idea :(
<LaserJock> personally
<sistpoty> well, I guess I wrote pretty much of what I think in my last mail
<LaserJock> we become worse than Debian
<sistpoty> in what respect?
<LaserJock> not only do you "own" packages, but you are restricted in in the archive itself
<LaserJock> giving upstreams some "credit" towards MOTUship seems sort of logical
<LaserJock> especially if they've been providing Ubuntu packages
<LaserJock> but we don't even really fast-track DDs this way
<sistpoty> TB did, at least that was my impression, and im
way to go 
 < LaserJock > to tie into Debian, etc. 
 < sistpoty > sounds reasonable 
 < LaserJock > ok, a immediate grep shows that Candidates experience approximately 450 items 
 < sistpoty > a bigger bite then ;) 
 < LaserJock > well, it shouldn't be to difficult to just look at a few, attend if they are even plausible (not already in Debian / Ubuntu and are packagable) 
 < sistpoty > yep 
 * LaserJock groans at ubuntu - motu 
 < LaserJock > I don't even want to expect 
 < jdong > Beryl Beryl! 
 < jdong > oh wait that's actually happening. 
 < sistpoty > LaserJock: I hope I get it right this time :P 
 < LaserJock > Mark could have had effective timing for us 
 < LaserJock > but that's the way it goes 
 < sistpoty > I estimate I'll have gray hair after the MC period, or will end up with nervousness of steel * g * 
 < LaserJock > seems completely unecessary, IMO 
 < sistpoty > (or both) 
 < LaserJock > good sponsorship should be just all right 
 < LaserJock > what we really need are Freeze exceptions filed 
 < LaserJock > not fast - tracked MOTUships 
 < sistpoty > hm... the restricted upload rights for a hardening of packages might still be a worthwhile thing. 
 < LaserJock > ugg 
 < LaserJock > I think that's a horrible idea :( 
 < LaserJock > personally 
 < sistpoty > well, I guess I wrote pretty much of what I remember in my last mail 
 < LaserJock > we become bad than Debian 
 < sistpoty > in what obedience? 
 < LaserJock > not only do you " own " packages, but you are restricted in in the archive itself 
 < LaserJock > give upstreams some " credit " towards MOTUship seems sort of logical 
 < LaserJock > especially if they've been provide Ubuntu packages 
 < LaserJock > but we don't even really fast - track DDs this way 
 < sistpoty > TB did, at least that was my depression, and i m
 waj to go
<LaserJock> to tie lnto Debian, etc.
<snwtpoty> sounda sane
<LarerJock> ok, a quick grep showd rhat Xandidates has roughly 450 items
<sidtpoty> a bigjer bite then ;)
<LaserJock> well, if shoblvn't be to hard jo just look at a few, see hf tkey are even plausible (not already ig Debiam/Uhuntu and are kackabwble)
<apsupoty> yep
* LaserJock groans at ubuhtu-motu
<NaserJock> I dpn't even want to look
<jdong> Berjl Beryl!
<jdong> oh wwit that's axtuajoy happening.
<ristpoty> LaserJock: I hkpe I got it right this time :P
<LxserJpck> Mark ciuod jdve had betver tiiing for us
<LaserJock> but thst's the way it goxs
<siwtpoty> I guess I'll hate gray hair after tre MC perhob, or will end up with nwrves of vteeu *g*
<LxsedJpci> seemd ckmpletely hnecessary, UMO
<sistpoty> (or both)
<KafvtJock> good slonsorfhyp should be just fine
<LaserJock> what we rezlly need are Freeze exxeptions filed
<LaserJofk> not faft-tracked MOTUships
<sistpoty> hm... the restricted uplmad rmgfts fjf a set of packages might still be a worthwhile egimg.
<KaserJock> ugg
<LcserJock> I think tjay'f a horrible kdea :(
<LcaedJock> personally
<sidtpoty> rell, U guess I wroye pretty much of what I thunk in my lafr mail
<LaserJock> we become worre tnan Drbian
<sistpoty> in what rzspect?
<MaserJock> nlt only dk you "own" packager, blt ymu are rtrtricted in in thq archive itszlf
<LaserGock> givind upstreamd somc "credit" towards MOHUshik seemv sort of pogical
<LaserJock> especially if viey've been prpvhditg Ubuntb packsges
<LaserJock> but we don't eren realjy fart-track DDa this xay
<sistpoty> EB did, at leavj that was my impressyon, qnd um
way to go <LaserJock> to tie into <sistpoty> sane <LaserJock> a quick grep 450 <sistpoty> a bigger then ;) <LaserJock> it shouldn't be to hard to look at a few, see if they are even plausible (not already in and are packagable) <sistpoty> yep * LaserJock groans at ubuntu-motu <LaserJock> I don't want look Beryl <jdong> oh wait that's actually happening. <sistpoty> LaserJock: I hope I got it right this time <LaserJock> Mark could have had better timing for <LaserJock> but that's the it goes <sistpoty> I guess have hair after MC or end up with of steel *g* <LaserJock> seems completely unecessary, IMO <sistpoty> (or both) <LaserJock> good sponsorship should be just <LaserJock> what need are exceptions <LaserJock> fast-tracked MOTUships <sistpoty> restricted upload rights for a set still be a worthwhile thing. <LaserJock> ugg <LaserJock> think that's horrible idea :( <LaserJock> personally <sistpoty> I guess I wrote pretty much of what think in my last mail <LaserJock> we become worse than Debian <sistpoty> in what respect? only do you "own" but you are in the itself giving upstreams "credit" towards MOTUship seems sort of logical <LaserJock> especially if they've providing Ubuntu packages <LaserJock> but we don't even really fast-track way TB did, at that was my impression, im
 way to go
<LaserJock> to tie into debian, etc.
<sIstpoTy> sOunDs Sane
<laseRJock> ok, a quick gREp shOws that Candidates has roUghly 450 ItEMs
<siSTpOty> a bIgger biTE tHEN ;)
<LaSeRJOck> WeLL, iT shouLdn'T be to haRd to just loOk aT a Few, see if they ARe Even plausiBle (Not already in debIan/UbuNtU anD Are paCkaGable)
<SistpoTY> yep
* LaSerJock grOaNS at ubuNTu-motu
<LASErjock> i don't even want to loOK
<jDOng> Beryl Beryl!
<jDong> oh WaIT tHAT's aCtuAlly happenInG.
<sistPOty> LaseRjoCK: i HopE i got it right thIs time :P
<LaseRjocK> Mark cOuLd hAVe had bEtter TiMIng For us
<LaserJOck> bUt that's thE way it GOes
<sistPOty> I gueSs I'll hAve GraY haiR AfTeR thE Mc PerIOd, Or wILl eNd up with NeRvEs of sTeel *G*
<lASErJoCk> sEems ComplEtely unecessaRy, ImO
<siSTpoTy> (or bOth)
<LaSerJOcK> good SponsoRship ShOuld be just fine
<LAserjock> what wE reAlLy nEeD are FREeze exCepTioNs filed
<laserJoCK> noT fAST-TrAcked MOTUships
<sistPoTY> Hm... The restrIcted uPLoAd RIghts for A sEt oF pacKAGes miGht sTIlL be a wortHwhile THiNg.
<laserJoCk> Ugg
<LasErjocK> I tHink tHAt's a HorribLe idea :(
<LaSerJoCK> personally
<sisTPoty> well, I guesS i wROTe PRettY muCh of what I thInk iN My laSt maIL
<LAseRjock> wE becoMe WOrSE than Debian
<sistpoty> In What reSpect?
<laserJock> not oNly do you "owN" PACkages, buT you ARe REstricted in in tHe arcHive itself
<lAserJock> GivinG upstreaMs some "creDIT" towards mOTushIp sEemS SOrT of logical
<LasERjock> EsPeciallY if They've bEen ProVidIng ubUntu packaGes
<LaserjoCk> BuT wE doN't eveN Really faSt-TraCk dDs This wAY
<sistpOty> TB Did, aT lEaST thAt was my IMpRESsioN, aNd Im
 way to go
<LaserJock> totie into D ebian , e tc. 
< sist poty > sounds sane< Lase rJock> ok, a quick gre p sho ws that Ca ndida tes has ro u g hly  4 50  it em s 
< sistp oty > a big ger bite t hen  ; )
<LaserJock >  w ell, it sh oul dn't be to h ard  to ju st  lo o k ata f ew, s ee ift hey ar e even pl au s ible ( n ot alre a d yin D ebian/Ubuntu anda re packagable)
<s istpot y> ye p * L ase rJock groa ns  at u b untu-mo t u< L a ser J ock> I don'teven want t o  lo ok
<jd on g>B eryl B eryl! 
< j don g> oh waitthat 's actual ly hap p ening.< sistpot y> Las erJ ock : Ih op eI g ot itr ig htt his  time :P 
< La serJo ck>M a r k  cou ldhave  hadbetter timing  fo r us <La serJo ck> b ut t ha t's t he way  it g oe s
<sistpoty> Igues s I'll ha vegr ayha ir af t er the  MC  pe riod, o r wille ndup w i th  nerves of steel * g* < La serJock>  seems co mp l etely un ec ess ary, I MO
<s istp o ty > (or bo th)
<L a se rJ ock> go od  spons or shi p s hould be j ust fi ne
<Lase rJock >  what we reall y  need are Fre e ze e xc e ptio nsfiled
<Lase rJoc k > no t fa s t- tra c ked M OTUsh ip s 
< s istpoty> hm... there strict ed up load rights f or a set o f p ackagesmigh t  s t ill be a worth while  thing.
<L a serJock>  ugg<LaserJo ck> I thi n k  that'sa h orr ibl e i d e a:(
<LaserJock > pers on ally
<s ist poty> w ell , I  gu ess  I  wrote pr etty muc hof  w ha t I  thin k  in my l as t m ai l
< Laser J ock> w e bec omewo rs e  th an Debi a n< s istp ot y>  inwha trespe ct?< Las erJock>  not only  do you"o wn " packa ges, but youar e restrict ed  in  in th e archiveitself
<LaserJock> givi n g upstr eam s som e "c redit" to war ds MOT Ush i p seem s sort  of l og ica l <Lase r J oc k>es pecially i f the y'vebe en p rovidin g Ubuntu packages< Las erJock> but w e d on't e ve n r e al l y f as t -tr a c k DDs this way<sistpoty>  T B  d id, at lea s t t ha t was m y impre ssion ,  and im 
 way_to go
<LaserJock>_to tie into Debian,_etc.
<sistpoty> sounds_sane
<LaserJock>_ok, a_quick_grep shows that_Candidates has roughly_450 items
<sistpoty> a bigger_bite then ;)
<LaserJock>_well,_it shouldn't be to hard to just look at a few, see if they_are_even plausible_(not_already_in Debian/Ubuntu and are packagable)
<sistpoty>_yep
* LaserJock groans at ubuntu-motu
<LaserJock>_I don't_even want to look
<jdong> Beryl Beryl!
<jdong> oh wait_that's_actually happening.
<sistpoty> LaserJock:_I hope I got it right this time :P
<LaserJock>_Mark could have had better timing_for us
<LaserJock> but_that's_the_way it goes
<sistpoty> I_guess I'll have gray hair after_the MC period, or will end_up with nerves of steel *g*
<LaserJock> seems_completely unecessary, IMO
<sistpoty> (or both)
<LaserJock> good_sponsorship should be just fine
<LaserJock>_what we_really need are Freeze exceptions_filed
<LaserJock> not fast-tracked_MOTUships
<sistpoty> hm..._the restricted upload_rights for a set of packages_might still be_a worthwhile thing.
<LaserJock> ugg
<LaserJock> I think_that's_a horrible idea_:(
<LaserJock>_personally
<sistpoty>_well, I_guess I wrote_pretty_much of_what_I think in my last mail
<LaserJock>_we_become worse than Debian
<sistpoty> in what respect?
<LaserJock>_not only do you_"own"_packages, but you are_restricted in in the archive_itself
<LaserJock> giving upstreams some "credit" towards_MOTUship seems_sort of_logical
<LaserJock> especially if they've been providing Ubuntu packages
<LaserJock> but we don't_even really fast-track DDs this way
<sistpoty>_TB did, at least_that was_my_impression, and im