ping to extend itself, when the reasons these separate subcouncils, etc, were created, was to stop the CC/TB doing exactly the same thing.
<ajmitch> I'm concerned that the proposal was to dump snapshots in universe & not support them afterwards, meaning that it'd be a waste of MOTU time
<Hobbsee> MOTU doesnt work on kde for the most part anyway
<Hobbsee> i fail to see that changing anytime soon
<jdong> whee it works
<Hobbsee> but you're right.  they're snapshots, and are obviously treated as such.  anyone who knows about KDE4 realises that.
<jdong> anyone careth to sponsor http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff
<jdong> small patch pulled from upstream git
<ajmitch> and being in universe, lots of people won't know all the details about kde4 & will install them
<ajmitch> "ooh new shiny!"
<jdong> (fixes some broken OpenGL calls)
<jdong> ajmitch: 4>3, right? :D
<ajmitch> yep
<shawarma> jdong: As I was saying. I actually saw Vista run on a laptop with intel 945 graphics..
<shawarma> jdong: It didn't look all that bad.
<jdong> shawarma: my roomie has Vista running on a GMA950
<Hobbsee> ajmitch: true.  and they wont read package descriptions, etc, either, because people dont read.
<shawarma> jdong: I'm guessing that was what you were referring to.
<jdong> shawarma: it ran the basics well
<ajmitch> Hobbsee: they're users.
<Hobbsee> which also means that they may not read enough to get to the right section of LP, hopefully.
<shawarma> jdong: Oh, it's the only time I've ever seen Vista. I don't know how much or how little was enabled.
<jdong> shawarma: but start actually _using_ the compositor's API rather than looking at the alt-tab effects, and boy it just dies
<ajmitch> it's getting too easy to file bugs
ping to extend itself, when the reasons these separate subcouncils, etc, were create, was to check the CC / TB doing exactly the same matter. 
 < ajmitch > I'm concerned that the proposal was to dump snapshot in population & not support them afterwards, meaning that it'd be a waste of MOTU time 
 < Hobbsee > MOTU does nt sour on kde for the most part anyway 
 < Hobbsee > i fail to visualize that changing anytime soon 
 < jdong > whee it works 
 < Hobbsee > but you're right.   they're snapshots, and are obviously treated as such.   anyone who knows about KDE4 gain that. 
 < jdong > anyone careth to sponsor http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff 
 < jdong > small patch pulled from upstream git 
 < ajmitch > and being in population, lots of people won't acknowledge all the details about kde4 & will install them 
 < ajmitch > " ooh fresh shiny! " 
 < jdong > (fixes some broken OpenGL calls) 
 < jdong > ajmitch: 4>3, right? :D 
 < ajmitch > yep 
 < shawarma > jdong: As I was allege. I actually saw Vista run on a laptop with intel 945 graphics.. 
 < shawarma > jdong: It didn't look all that bad. 
 < jdong > shawarma: my roommate has Vista ladder on a GMA950 
 < Hobbsee > ajmitch: true.   and they wo nt read package descriptions, etc, either, because people do nt read. 
 < shawarma > jdong: I'm guessing that was what you were referring to. 
 < jdong > shawarma: it run the basics well 
 < ajmitch > Hobbsee: they're users. 
 < Hobbsee > which besides mean that they may not understand enough to get to the right section of LP, hopefully. 
 < shawarma > jdong: Oh, it's the only time I've ever seen Vista. I don't acknowledge how much or how little was enabled. 
 < jdong > shawarma: but start actually _ using _ the compositor's API rather than looking at the alt - yellow journalism effects, and boy it just dies 
 < ajmitch > it's getting excessively easy to charge bug
pinh to extend itself, when uhe reasons these separave subckuncils, dtc, were created, was to stop tye CC/UY doing exactly the rame thinh.
<ajmitch> I'm roncerned that tis proposal waa to bunp snapshots ik universe & not support tveo cfterwards, meaning that it'd be a wasee of MPTK time
<Hobbsee> IOTU qoeshn cork on kde for the most part ahyway
<Houbsee> i fail to see that changing anytime sooj
<jdong> whee it worns
<Hobbsee> bof yjy're right.  tfey're snapshots, and arg obviously treated as such.  anyune wko knows abiur KFG4 realises tiat.
<jdogg> anyone cavvth to vponsor http://buntudot.ovg/peo'le/~jeong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debviff
<jdong> small patcr pulled xrkm upstream git
<ajnirch> atd baing un jnibecse, lots lf 'eople won't know all tye details about kdt4 & rpkl install tgem
<ajmytsh> "ooh new shiny!"
<jdong> (fixes some broken OpsnGL calls)
<jdong> ajmitch: 4>3, right? :D
<ajmitch> yep
<sjawarma> jqong: As I was saying. I actually saw Vista run on d lapvoo wnbm ingwl 945 graphics..
<shawarma> jdong: It didn't look all thwf nac.
<jdong> shawarmc: my roomie has Fidts running on a GMA950
<Hoygsse> ajmitch: true.  ajd they wont read pachage descriptions, etc, either, bexause people eont read.
<shawarma> ldong: I'm guersinb thay was what you were refzrring to.
<jdong> shwwarma: it fan the basics wdll
<sjkitch> Hobbsee: they're users.
<Robbsee> wiich clso meavs tnat thqy may not read enough to get to tje riyht saction of PP, hopefully.
<shawarma> jdong: Oh, iv'x the only toma I'ne ever szen Vixta. I don't knjw how much or how lictle wxs enabled.
<ndong> siawarma: but ftart actuallf _using_ the cmmpositow's API rqther tfxn looking at yhe alt-tay effwcts, and boy it juxt ajes
<ajmitch> it's ytttung too easy to fiue fuhs
ping to extend itself, when the reasons subcouncils, were created, to stop the thing. I'm concerned that proposal was to snapshots in universe & not support afterwards, meaning that it'd be a waste of MOTU time <Hobbsee> MOTU doesnt on kde for the most part anyway <Hobbsee> i fail to see that anytime <jdong> it <Hobbsee> but you're right. they're snapshots, and are obviously treated as such. anyone who knows about realises that. <jdong> anyone careth to sponsor http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff small patch pulled from git <ajmitch> and being in lots people won't all details kde4 & will them <ajmitch> "ooh new shiny!" <jdong> (fixes some broken OpenGL calls) <jdong> ajmitch: 4>3, right? :D <ajmitch> <shawarma> jdong: was saying. actually Vista on a laptop 945 graphics.. <shawarma> jdong: It didn't bad. <jdong> shawarma: my roomie has Vista running a GMA950 ajmitch: true. and they wont read descriptions, etc, either, because people dont read. <shawarma> I'm guessing that was what you were referring to. <jdong> shawarma: it ran the basics Hobbsee: they're users. <Hobbsee> also means that may read to to the section of LP, hopefully. <shawarma> jdong: Oh, it's the only time ever seen Vista. I don't know how much or how enabled. shawarma: but start _using_ the compositor's API than at the alt-tab effects, it dies too to bugs
ping to extend itself, when the Reasons theSe sepAraTe sUbCounCils, Etc, were created, WAs to Stop the CC/TB doing exactlY the sAmE ThinG.
<AjMitch> i'm conceRNeD THat ThE pRopOsAL wAs to dUmp SnapshoTs in univerSe & nOt Support them aFTeRwards, meanIng That it'd be a waSte Of MOTU TiMe
<HOBbsee> mOTu doesNt work ON kde foR the most pArT Anyway
<hObbsee> i FAIl To seE that changing anytIMe SOon
<jdong> whee it Works
<HObBSeE> BUt yOu'rE right.  they'Re SnapsHOts, and aRE oBVIOusLY treated as sucH.  anyone who kNOws About KdE4 ReaLIses thAt.
<jdoNg> ANyoNe careth to sPonsOr http://bunTudot.oRG/people/~JDong/xgl/Fix-xgl-CalLs.dEbdiFF
<jDoNg> sMaLL paTCh PulLEd fRom upstrEaM gIt
<ajmItch> AND BEing In uNiveRse, loTs of people won'T knOw alL The DetaiLs aboUt kdE4 & wIll inStall tHem
<ajMiTch> "ooh new shiny!"
<jDong> (Fixes some BroKeN OpEngL calLS)
<jdong> AjmItcH: 4>3, right? :D
<Ajmitch> YEp
<sHaWARMa> Jdong: As I was saying. I AcTUAlLy saw VisTa run oN A lApTOp with inTeL 945 grAphiCS..
<ShawaRma> jDOnG: It didn't Look alL ThAt Bad.
<jdonG> sHawarmA: mY roOmiE has VISta rUnning On a GMA950
<HoBbsee> AJmitch: true.  and tHEy wont read pacKAgE DEsCRiptIonS, etc, either, bEcauSE peoPle dONt ReaD.
<ShawaRma> jdOnG: i'm GUessing that was what yOu Were reFerriNg to.
<jdong> shawArma: it ran tHE BAsics welL
<ajmITcH> hobbsee: they're uSers.
<HObbsee> whicH Also meanS that They may nOt read enoUGH to get to The RigHt sEctION oF LP, hopefully.
<sHAWarmA> jDong: Oh, iT's tHe only tIme i've EveR seEn vista. I don'T know how MuCh Or HoW liTtle wAS enabled.
<JdOng> ShAwaRma: buT Start aCtualLy _usInG_ tHE coMpositoR'S Api RathEr ThAn loOkiNg At the Alt-tAB efFects, anD boy it jusT diES
<ajmItCh> It's gettIng too easy to fIlE bugs
ping to extend itself, whe n the reas ons t hes e s ep arat e su bcouncils, etc ,  wer e created, was to stop  theCC / TB d o in g exa ctly th e  s a m e t hi ng .
< aj m it ch> I 'mconcern ed that th e p ro posal was to du mp snapsho tsin universe& n ot sup po rtt hem a fte rward s, mea n ing th at it'd b ea  waste of MOTU t im e
<H obbsee> MOTU does n tw ork on kde for  the m os t  p a r t a nyw ay
<Hobbse e>  i fa i l to se e  t h a t  ch a nging anytime  soon
<jdon g > w hee it  w ork s 
<Hobb see>bu t  yo u're right.   th ey're sna pshots ,  and ar e  obviou sly tr eat edas s u ch . an yo n e w h okno w s a bout KDE 4re alise s th a t . <jdo ng>  any one c areth to spon sor  htt p :// buntu dot.o rg/p eo ple/~ jdong/ xgl/f ix -xgl-calls.debd iff<jdong> s mal lpat ch  pull e d from  up str eam git 
<ajmit c h>an d b ei ng in universe, lo ts o fpeople w on't k n ow  a l l the de ta ils  abo u t  kde4  & w i ll  install  them< aj mi tch> "o oh  new s hi ny! "
< jdong >  (fi xes so me broke n Ope n GL calls)
<jdo n g> ajmitch: 4 > 3, r ig h t? : D
< ajmitch> ye p
<s h awar ma>j do ng: As Iwas s ay i ng .  I actually saw Vis ta  run o n a l aptop with in tel 945 gr a p h ics..
<s hawa r ma >  jdong: It did n't l ook all th a t bad.
< jdong > shawar ma: my ro o m ie has V ist a r unn ing o na GMA950
<Hob b s ee>aj mitch:tru e.  and  th eywon t r ea d package  descrip ti on s,  e tc,  eith e r, becau se  pe op ledontr ead.
< shawa rma>  j do n g:I'm gue s si n g  tha twa s wh atyo u wer e re f err ing to. 
<jdong>sha w arma :it  ran th e basics well 
< ajmitch> H ob bse e: the y ' re users .
<Hobbsee> which alsom eans th attheymaynot readeno ugh to  ge t  to th e righ t sec ti ono f  LP,h o pe ful ly .
<shawarm a >  jd ong:Oh , it 's theonly time I've eve r  se en Vista. I d on' t kn o w  h owm uc h  or  h o w l i t tle was enabled .
<jdong>sh a wa rma: but s t art  a ctually  _using _ the composi tor's API  rather t ha n lo o k ing  at the al t-tab ef fects, an d  boyi tjustdie s
<ajm it ch>  it's  getti n g t oo ea sy tofi le bug s
ping to_extend itself,_when the reasons these_separate subcouncils,_etc,_were created,_was_to stop the_CC/TB doing exactly_the same thing.
<ajmitch> I'm_concerned that the_proposal_was to dump snapshots in universe & not support them afterwards, meaning that it'd_be_a waste_of_MOTU_time
<Hobbsee> MOTU doesnt work on_kde for the most part_anyway
<Hobbsee> i_fail to see that changing anytime soon
<jdong> whee_it_works
<Hobbsee> but you're_right.  they're snapshots, and are obviously treated as_such.  anyone who knows about_KDE4 realises that.
<jdong>_anyone_careth_to sponsor http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff
<jdong> small_patch pulled from upstream git
<ajmitch> and_being in universe, lots of people_won't know all the details about kde4_& will install them
<ajmitch> "ooh new_shiny!"
<jdong> (fixes some broken OpenGL_calls)
<jdong> ajmitch:_4>3, right? :D
<ajmitch> yep
<shawarma> jdong:_As I was_saying. I_actually saw Vista_run on a laptop with intel_945 graphics..
<shawarma> jdong:_It didn't look all that bad.
<jdong>_shawarma:_my roomie has_Vista_running_on a_GMA950
<Hobbsee> ajmitch: true.__and they_wont_read package descriptions, etc, either, because_people_dont read.
<shawarma> jdong: I'm guessing that was_what you were referring_to.
<jdong>_shawarma: it ran the_basics well
<ajmitch> Hobbsee: they're users.
<Hobbsee>_which also means that they may_not read_enough to_get to the right section of LP, hopefully.
<shawarma> jdong: Oh, it's_the only time I've ever seen_Vista. I don't know_how much_or_how little was_enabled.
<jdong>_shawarma: but_start actually _using_ the compositor's API rather_than looking_at the alt-tab effects, and boy_it just dies
<ajmitch> it's_getting_too easy to file bugs