: Okay, dpkg -x directly, I didn't think of that.  Thanks, I'll have a look.
 * TheMuso just realized that it will likely break the buildds as well.
<superm1> why was libc changed this late in the cycle though I have to wonder?
<superm1> these are more of the behaviors you'd expect before alpha1 etc
<minghua> Yeah, I think the QA procedure (if there was one) is completely thrown out of the window on this one.
<minghua> Such things by no means help us attracting testers.
<StevenK> Yay for complete conjecture.
 * RAOF likes to think that this was meant to be a useful bug fix :)
<minghua> StevenK: By "conjecture" you are referring to my comments?
<StevenK> minghua: I am
<superm1> well it appears that not everyone upgrading is affected though.  i've just spoken to a few folks that weren't affected
<superm1> hm
<superm1> i certainly don't look forward to having to reboot, find a live disk, and try to solve this on my system though.
<minghua> StevenK: Sorry I don't quite understand.  Whose conjecture do you mean?  Glibc uploader's?  Mine?
<StevenK> minghua: Your conjecture.
<minghua> StevenK: Which is?
<StevenK> minghua: That the QA procedure was ignored
<slangasek> well, the QA procedure here certainly doesn't seem to have included requesting a FFe...
<minghua> StevenK: True, it's all my guess.  But I hope you can understand my bitterness.
<StevenK> Blink. My gutsy laptop managed to switch back to gdm from usplash while shutting down
<RAOF> StevenK: Oh, you haven't seen that before?  Happened not infrequently for me (but it seems fixed now).
<StevenK> RAOF: Nope
<Amaranth> StevenK: I get that when X freezes on shutdown and I have to manually kill it to make the shutdown continue
<StevenK> It switched back, I thought, "Wow, that was very fast", typed in my username, hit enter, it switched back to
: Okay, dpkg -x directly, I didn't think of that.   Thanks, I'll have a look. 
  * TheMuso barely realize that it will likely break the buildds as well. 
 < superm1 > why was libc change this late in the cycle though I hold to wonder? 
 < superm1 > these are more of the behaviors you'd expect before alpha1 etc 
 < minghua > Yeah, I remember the QA procedure (if there was one) is wholly thrown out of the window on this one. 
 < minghua > Such things by no means avail us attracting testers. 
 < StevenK > Yay for complete conjecture. 
  * RAOF likes to remember that this was meant to be a useful bug localization :) 
 < minghua > StevenK: By " conjecture " you are referring to my comments? 
 < StevenK > minghua: I am 
 < superm1 > well it appears that not everyone upgrading is affect though.   i've just spoken to a few folks that weren't affected 
 < superm1 > hm 
 < superm1 > i certainly don't front forward to having to reboot, find a live phonograph record, and try to solve this on my system though. 
 < minghua > StevenK: Sorry I don't quite understand.   Whose conjecture do you mean?   Glibc uploader's?   Mine? 
 < StevenK > minghua: Your conjecture. 
 < minghua > StevenK: Which is? 
 < StevenK > minghua: That the QA procedure was ignored 
 < slangasek > well, the QA procedure here surely doesn't look to have included request a FFe... 
 < minghua > StevenK: True, it's all my guess.   But I hope you can understand my bitterness. 
 < StevenK > Blink. My gutsy laptop managed to throw back to gdm from usplash while shutting down 
 < RAOF > StevenK: Oh, you haven't seen that before?   Happened not infrequently for me (but it seem fixed now). 
 < StevenK > RAOF: Nope 
 < Amaranth > StevenK: I get that when X freezes on shutdown and I have to manually toss off it to make the shutdown continue 
 < StevenK > It switched back, I think, " Wow, that was very debauched ", typed in my username, hit enter, it switched back to
: Okwy, dpkg -x directly, I didk't think of that.  Thankv, I'll gave a luok.
 * TheMuso just realized tiat ut wiol likely break the bukldds as aell.
<supeem1> wiy was libc chanjsd this late jk the rycle though I mave to wonger?
<superm1> thesa xrz more of the behaviors you'd expect fefore sloha1 etc
<minghua> Yean, I tgpnj the QA procedure (if there wzs one) ps completely thrpwn out of the window on tjis lne.
<minghua> Such thlngs by no neanf help us attfacting testers.
<StevenK> Yay for complete conjecture.
 * RXOF lnkes to thibk thwj this was mxant tj be a useful bug fif :)
<minghia> StevenK: By "gonjerturw" you are referring tm my comments?
<StevegK> minghud: N am
<superm1> well it appeqrs tvat tot dcerhont u'grzding ls effected thkugh.  i've jyst spoken to a few fjoks that wereh't affqceed
<superm1> hm
<superm1> i certainly don't loon fkrward to having to rebiot, find a live disk, wnd try tj solve this on my system though.
<minghua> StevenK: Smrry M aon'u wuite ynferstand.  Whose conjecture do you mean?  Glibc hpkosder's?  Mine?
<SteyenK> minghua: Your vojjrsture.
<minghua> RtevenK: Wgich is?
<StevenK> minhhua: Thwt thw QA proctdure was ignored
<slangasek> well, rhe QA proceburw here certainly dlesn't seem co havg inclided requesting a FFe...
<miughua> AtevenK: Truf, it's all oy guess.  But I fopv yog can understand my bittergess.
<SteveiK> Blnnk. My gjtsy lapto[ managed ho swldch back to gdm frlm usklash fhile shuthing down
<RAOF> StevenK: Oh, you hatxn't seen that bafoge?  Happeued nob infrequently sor me (but it xeems fnxed nuw).
<StevenK> GAOF: Nope
<Emaranth> StedenK: I get thdj when X freeves on shttdoqn abd I haxd to manually lill it to make the shutdown continue
<XtexsnK> It switched baxk, I thought, "Woe, tfat wws vqsy fast", typeg in my isernxme, hit entcr, kt seitched back to
: Okay, dpkg -x directly, I didn't that. I'll have look. * TheMuso likely the buildds as <superm1> why was changed this late in the cycle I have to wonder? <superm1> these are more of the behaviors you'd expect alpha1 etc <minghua> Yeah, I think the QA procedure (if there was one) completely out the on this one. <minghua> Such things by no means help us attracting testers. <StevenK> Yay for conjecture. * RAOF likes to think that this meant to be a bug fix :) <minghua> StevenK: "conjecture" are referring my <StevenK> I am <superm1> it appears that not everyone upgrading is affected though. i've just spoken to a few folks that affected <superm1> i certainly look to to reboot, find disk, and try to solve this though. <minghua> StevenK: Sorry I don't quite understand. conjecture do mean? Glibc uploader's? Mine? <StevenK> minghua: conjecture. <minghua> StevenK: Which is? <StevenK> minghua: That QA procedure was ignored <slangasek> well, the QA procedure here certainly doesn't seem to have a FFe... <minghua> StevenK: it's all my But hope can my bitterness. Blink. My gutsy laptop managed to switch back to gdm from while shutting down <RAOF> StevenK: Oh, you haven't seen that not for me (but seems fixed now). <StevenK> Nope StevenK: I get that freezes shutdown to kill to make the shutdown <StevenK> It switched back, I "Wow, that was very hit enter, it switched back to
: Okay, dpkg -x directly, I didn't thInk of that.  THanks, i'll HavE a Look.
 * theMUso just realizeD That It will likely break the buIldds As WEll.
<sUPeRm1> why Was libc CHaNGEd tHiS lAte In THe Cycle ThoUgh I havE to wonder?
<sUpeRm1> These are more OF tHe behaviorS yoU'd expect befoRe aLpha1 etC
<mIngHUa> YeaH, I tHink tHe QA prOCedure (If there waS oNE) is comPLetely tHROwN out Of the window on this ONe.
<MInghua> Such thinGs by no MeANs HELp uS atTracting teStErs.
<StEVenK> Yay FOr COMPleTE conjecture.
 * RAoF likes to thINk tHat thiS wAs mEAnt to bE a useFuL Bug Fix :)
<minghua> STeveNK: By "conjeCture" yOU are refERring to My commEntS?
<StEvenk> MiNgHua: i aM
<SupERm1> WelL It aPpears thAt NoT everYone UPGRAdinG is AffeCted tHough.  i've just sPokEn to A Few Folks That wEren'T aFfectEd
<supeRm1> hm
<sUpErm1> i certainly doN't loOk forward To hAvIng To RebooT, Find a lIve DisK, and try To solve THis On MY SYsTem though.
<minghua> StEvENk: SOrry I don'T quite UNdErSTand.  WhosE cOnjEctuRE Do you Mean?  gLiBc uploadEr's?  MinE?
<stEvEnK> mingHuA: Your cOnJecTurE.
<mingHUa> StEvenK: WHich is?
<StEvenK> MInghua: That the Qa Procedure was iGNoRED
<sLAngaSek> Well, the QA prOcedURe heRe ceRTaInlY Doesn'T seem To HAvE Included requesting a fFE...
<minghUa> SteVenK: True, it's alL my guess.  BuT i HOpe you caN undERsTAnd my bitternesS.
<StevEnK> Blink. My GUtsy laptOp manAged to swItch back tO GDm from usPlaSh wHilE shUTTiNg down
<RAOF> SteVENK: Oh, YoU haven't SeeN that beForE?  HaPpeNed NoT infrequeNtly for mE (bUt It SeEms Fixed NOw).
<Stevenk> RaOF: noPe
<AMaranTH> SteveNK: I geT thaT wHeN x frEezes on SHuTDOwn aNd i hAve tO maNuAlly kIll iT To mAke the sHutdown coNtiNUe
<StEvEnk> It switChed back, I thouGhT, "Wow, that waS vEry Fast", tyPED in my useRname, hit enter, it switched BAck to
: Okay, dpkg -x directly,I didn't t hinkoftha t.   Th anks , I'll have al ook. 
 * TheMuso just reali zed t ha t  itw il l lik ely bre a kt h e b ui ld dsas we ll.
< sup erm1> w hy was lib c c ha nged this la t ein the cyc lethough I hav e t o wond er ?
< s uperm 1>these  are m o re ofthe behav io r s you' d  expect b ef orealpha1 etc
<mingh u a> Yeah, I thinkthe QA  p r oc e d ure  (i f there wa sone)i s compl e te l y thr o wn out of the  window ont his  one.<m ing h ua> Su ch th in g s b y no meanshelp  us attra ctingt esters. <Steven K> Yay  fo r c ompl e te  c onj ec t ure . 
* R A OFlikes to  t hi nk th at t h i s wasmea nt t o bea useful bugfix  :)< min ghua>  Stev enK:  B y "co njectu re" y ou  are referringto m y comment s?<S tev en K> mi n ghua:I a m
< superm1 > welli t a pp e a r sthat not everyoneup g r ad ing is a ffecte d  t ho u gh.  i'v ejus t sp o k en to  a f e wfolks th at wer e n' taffecte d<super m1 > h m
< super m 1> i  certa inly don 't lo o k forward to h a ving to reboo t ,f i nd a li vedisk, and t ry t o  sol ve t h is  on my sy stemth o ug h .
<minghua> StevenK :SorryI don 't quite unde rstand.  W h o s e conjec ture do you mean?  Gli bc up loader's?Mine?
<S teven K> mingh ua: Yourc o njecture .
< min ghu a>S t ev enK: Which is ? <Ste ve nK> min ghu a: That  th e Q A p roc ed ure was i gnored
< sl an ga se k>well, the QA p ro ced ur e h ere c e rtainl y doe sn't  s ee m  to  have i n cl u d ed r eq ue stin g a  F Fe... 
<mi n ghu a> Stev enK: True , i t 's a ll  m y guess .  But I hope  y ou can und er sta nd myb i tterness .
<StevenK> Blink. My g u tsy lap top  mana gedto switch  ba ck togdm from u splash  whil eshu t t ing d o w n<RA OF > StevenK: O h,you h av en't  seen t hat before?  Happe n ednot infrequen tly  for m e(bu t  i t  se em s  fi x e d now).
<Steven K> RAOF: N op e 
< Amaranth>S tev en K: I ge t thatwhenX  freeze s on shut down andIhave t o m anually ki ll it to  make the shutd o wn  cont inu e
<Ste ve nK>  It s witche d  ba ck, I  thoug ht , "Wow , tha twas very  fast", typed in my use rname,  hitent er, it sw itc h edback to
: Okay,_dpkg -x_directly, I didn't think_of that.__Thanks, I'll_have_a look.
 *_TheMuso just realized_that it will likely_break the buildds_as_well.
<superm1> why was libc changed this late in the cycle though I have to_wonder?
<superm1>_these are_more_of_the behaviors you'd expect before_alpha1 etc
<minghua> Yeah, I think_the QA_procedure (if there was one) is completely thrown_out_of the window_on this one.
<minghua> Such things by no means help_us attracting testers.
<StevenK> Yay for complete_conjecture.
 * RAOF_likes_to_think that this was_meant to be a useful bug_fix :)
<minghua> StevenK: By "conjecture" you_are referring to my comments?
<StevenK> minghua: I_am
<superm1> well it appears that not_everyone upgrading is affected though._ i've_just spoken to a few_folks that weren't_affected
<superm1> hm
<superm1>_i certainly don't_look forward to having to reboot,_find a live_disk, and try to solve this_on_my system though.
<minghua>_StevenK:_Sorry_I don't_quite understand. _Whose_conjecture do_you_mean?  Glibc uploader's?  Mine?
<StevenK>_minghua:_Your conjecture.
<minghua> StevenK: Which is?
<StevenK> minghua: That_the QA procedure was_ignored
<slangasek>_well, the QA procedure_here certainly doesn't seem to_have included requesting a FFe...
<minghua> StevenK:_True, it's_all my_guess.  But I hope you can understand my bitterness.
<StevenK> Blink._My gutsy laptop managed to switch_back to gdm from_usplash while_shutting_down
<RAOF> StevenK: Oh,_you_haven't seen_that before?  Happened not infrequently for_me (but_it seems fixed now).
<StevenK> RAOF: Nope
<Amaranth>_StevenK: I get that_when_X freezes on shutdown and I_have to manually kill it to_make the shutdown continue
<StevenK> It_switched_back,_I thought, "Wow, that was_very fast", typed in my username,_hit enter, it_switched back to