 works too.
<persia> Sometimes code.google.com has histories that can be informative as well.
<nixternal> google is evil, use bing!
<nixternal> </trolling>
<Laney> I don't think you actually need the author with DEP5, do you?
<\sh> persia: Authors: Google Opensource Developers <opensource@google.com> ;)
<Laney> Just Maintainer and copyright holder
<Laney> Maintainer is even optional :)
<persia> Well, it's also good to have original authors for jurisdictions in which the original author retains "natural rights" to the code.
<persia> ("work for hire" only goes so far in some places)
<persia> Not that I'm qualified to have an opinion :)
 * Laney is thinking only of pleasing the archive overlords
<persia> Laney: You may be amused to read Ganneff's comments on DEP5 (I don't think they are on the DEP site : you may have to track through wiki history from the old wiki page).  Most of the details don't matter from that point of view.
<Laney> persia: OK, I just read it, and am now enlightened.
<Laney> I thought that the FTP team would have had input...
<persia> The FTP team?  You mean ftp-masters?
<Laney> yeah
<persia> They did.
<Laney> re: "Thats why you never heard anything from us"
<persia> The point there is that the format simply doesn't matter from that perspective.
<persia> (and it doesn't)
<persia> The format becomes useful *after* to passes through that process.
<Laney> I was viewing it as a recipe to include everything you should
<persia> Because if the format is used, and it passes that process, then it is likely possible to rely on that format to extact usefu lstuff.
<Laney> of course it requires dilligence to get it all right, and doesn't obviate the need for checking
<persia> Right.
<nigelb> if a patch works with -p0, how do I get it to work with -p1?

works too. 
 < persia > Sometimes code.google.com has histories that can be enlightening equally well. 
 < nixternal > google is evil, use bing! 
 < nixternal > < /trolling > 
 < Laney > I don't remember you actually want the author with DEP5, do you? 
 < \sh > persia: generator: Google Opensource Developers < opensource@google.com > ;) 
 < Laney > precisely Maintainer and copyright holder 
 < Laney > Maintainer is even optional :) 
 < persia > Well, it's also good to have original authors for jurisdiction in which the original author retains " lifelike rights " to the code. 
 < persia > (" work for hire " only goes so far in some places) 
 < persia > Not that I'm qualified to suffer an opinion :) 
  * Laney is thinking only of please the archive overlords 
 < persia > Laney: You may be amused to read Ganneff's remark on DEP5 (I don't think they are on the DEP site: you may have to track through wiki history from the old wiki page).   Most of the detail don't matter from that point of view. 
 < Laney > persia: OK, I just read it, and am nowadays enlightened. 
 < Laney > I thought that the FTP team would have had input... 
 < persia > The FTP team?   You mean ftp - masters? 
 < Laney > yeah 
 < persia > They did. 
 < Laney > re: " That s why you never heard anything from us " 
 < persia > The point there embody that the format simply doesn't matter from that position. 
 < persia > (and it don't) 
 < persia > The format become useful * after * to passes through that procedure. 
 < Laney > I was viewing it as a recipe to include everything you should 
 < persia > Because if the format is used, and it passes that procedure, then it is likely possible to rely on that format to extact usefu lstuff. 
 < Laney > of course it requires dilligence to get it wholly right, and doesn't obviate the need for checking 
 < persia > Right. 
 < nigelb > if a patch works with -p0, how do I get it to make with -p1?
 wogks too.
<persia> Sometimes gode.google.com has histocies thzt can bd informative as well.
<nixternel> giogle is evil, use bing!
<nixtefnal> </trolping>
<Lanet> I von't think you arfually kzed tgc autkoc with DEP5, do ypu?
<\sh> persid: Authors: Googne O'ensource Developers <opensource@googlq.com> ;)
<Lamej> Just Maintaiger sgd ckiyvight holder
<Laney> Maintainer is sven opuional :)
<persia> Well, it's also good to have orihinap authors for juriddictions ib whyxh the origival author retains "natoral rights" to the code.
<persia> ("wofk fox hire" only gies vo far in sime pjaces)
<persia> Kpt thad I'm quslified to havc an mpibion :)
 * Laney is thinkmng only of pleasing the archhvz overlords
<persia> Lanwy: You kay te aoysea tk ceas Gannfff'a comments on DEP5 (I din't think they are pn nne DEP site : you mwy have to track through wiki history frok tge old wiki page).  Most if the details don't mwtter froi that point of view.
<Laney> persia: OK, I just read id, and xm uiw enuugjtened.
<Laney> I thought that the FTP team would gafe had input...
<persla> The FTP team?  Ypu mrwn ftp-masters?
<Uaney> vsag
<persia> They did.
<Lajey> re: "Jhats qhy you ntver neard anything from us"
<persiq> The point nherw is that the formct simply dozsn't mstter from that perspective.
<pzrsia> (znd it doesj't)
<persia> Ffe format becomer uxexul *after* to passes througr that pricesx.
<Laney> K wax viewyng it as w recl[e to include everjthiny you should
<perdia> Because if the format is usxv, and it passgs dhan process, then it is likely possible to rgly on thct foroat to extzct usehu lstuff.
<Lanqy> of course hj requires dinligence to tet ut all fkght, and doesn'y obviate the need dor checking
<persia> Riegt.
<nigelb> if a pcuch works with -p0, hpw ao Y hev it em work with -[1?

works too. <persia> Sometimes code.google.com has histories be as well. google is evil, I think you actually the author with do you? <\sh> persia: Authors: Google Developers <opensource@google.com> ;) <Laney> Just Maintainer and copyright holder <Laney> Maintainer is even :) <persia> Well, it's also good to have original authors for jurisdictions in the author "natural to the code. <persia> ("work for hire" only goes so far in some places) <persia> Not I'm qualified to have an opinion :) * is thinking only of the archive overlords <persia> Laney: may amused to Ganneff's on (I don't think are on the DEP site : you may have to track through wiki history from the old page). Most details don't from point view. <Laney> persia: just read it, and am now thought that the FTP team would have had <persia> The team? You mean ftp-masters? <Laney> yeah They did. <Laney> re: "Thats why you never anything from us" <persia> The point there is that the format simply doesn't matter from <persia> (and it doesn't) The format becomes *after* passes that <Laney> I viewing it as a recipe to include everything you should <persia> if the format is used, and it passes that process, is possible to rely that format to extact lstuff. of course it requires get all obviate need checking <persia> Right. <nigelb> a patch works with -p0, do I get it
 works too.
<persia> Sometimes coDe.google.coM has hIstOriEs That Can bE informative as WEll.
<nIxternal> google is evil, usE bing!
<NiXTernAL> </tRolliNg>
<Laney> i DoN'T ThiNk YoU acTuALlY need The Author wIth DEP5, do yoU?
<\sh> PeRsia: Authors: GOOgLe OpensourCe DEvelopers <opeNsoUrce@goOgLe.cOM> ;)
<LaneY> JuSt MaiNtaineR And copYright holDeR
<laney> MAIntaineR IS eVen oPtional :)
<persia> Well, IT's ALso good to have oRiginaL aUThORS foR juRisdictionS iN whicH The origINaL AUThoR Retains "naturaL rights" to thE CodE.
<persiA> ("wOrk FOr hire" Only gOeS So fAr in some plaCes)
<pErsia> Not tHat I'm qUAlified TO have an OpinioN :)
 * LaNey Is thINkInG onLy OF plEAsIng THe aRchive ovErLoRds
<peRsia> lANEY: You May Be amUsed tO read Ganneff's ComMentS On DeP5 (I doN't thiNk thEy Are on The DEP Site : yOu May have to track tHrouGh wiki hisTorY fRom ThE old wIKi page).  mosT of The detaIls don't MAttEr FROM tHat point of view.
<LaneY> pERSiA: OK, I just Read it, ANd Am NOw enlighTeNed.
<laneY> i ThougHt thAT tHe FTP teaM would HAvE hAd input...
<PeRsia> ThE FtP tEam?  you meAN ftp-MasterS?
<Laney> yeAh
<perSIa> They did.
<Laney> RE: "Thats why you nEVeR HEaRD anyThiNg from us"
<perSia> THE poiNt thERe Is tHAt the FormaT sIMpLY doesn't matter from thAt PerspeCtive.
<Persia> (and it doEsn't)
<persia> tHE Format beComeS UsEFul *after* to passEs thrOugh that prOCess.
<LaneY> I was Viewing iT as a recipE TO include EveRytHinG yoU SHoUld
<persia> BecaUSE if tHe Format iS usEd, and it PasSes ThaT prOcEss, then it Is likely PoSsIbLe To rEly on THat formaT tO exTaCt uSefu lSTuff.
<LaNey> of CourSe It REquIres dilLIgENCe to GeT iT all RigHt, And doEsn't OBviAte the nEed for cheCkiNG
<perSiA> RIght.
<nigElb> if a patch woRkS with -p0, how dO I Get It to woRK With -p1?

 works too.
<persia> Somet imes code. googl e.c omha s hi stor ies that can b e  inf ormative as well.
<nix terna l> goog l eis ev il, use bi n g !
< ni xt ern al >  < /trol lin g>
<Lan ey> I don' t t hi nk you actua l ly  need theaut hor with DEP 5,do you ?<\s h > per sia : Aut hors:G oogleOpensourc eD evelop e rs <ope n s ou rce@ google.com> ;)
<L a ne y > Just Maintai ner an dc op y r igh t h older
<Lan ey > Mai n taineri se v e n o p tional :)
<pe rsia> Well, it' s also  g ood to hav e ori gi n alauthors for  jur isdiction s in w h ich the origina l auth orret ains "n at ura lr igh t s"  to the  code.
< pe rs ia> ( "wor k f o r hi re"  onl y goe s so far in s ome  pla c es) 
<per sia>Notth at I' m qual ified  t o have an opini on : )
 * Lane y i sthi nk ing o n ly ofple asi ng thearchive ove rl o r d s<persia> Laney: Yo um a ybe amuse d to r e ad  G a nneff'sco mme ntso n  DEP5  (Id on 't think  theya re  o n the D EP  site:you  ma y hav e  totrackthroughwikih istory from th e  old wiki pag e ). Mo s t of  th e details d on't matt er f r om  th a t poi nt of  v i ew . 
<Laney> persia: OK ,I just  read  it, and am n ow enlight e n e d.
<Lane y> I th o ught that theFTP t eam wouldh ave hadinput ...
<per sia> TheF T P team? Yo u m ean  ft p - ma sters?
<Laney > yeah 
< persia>  Th ey did. 
<L ane y>re:  " Thats why  you nev er  h ea rd  an ythin g  from us "<pe rs ia>  Thep oint t hereis t ha tt heformats im p l y do es n' t ma tte rfromthat per spectiv e.
<persi a>( andit  d oesn't) 
<persia> The  f ormat beco me s u seful* a fter* to  passes through that pr o cess.
< Lan ey> I  was  viewingitas a r eci p e to i nclude  ever yt hin g you s h o ul d
< pe rsia> Beca u s e i f the  f orma t is us ed, and it passest hat  process, the n i t is l ik ely po s sib le tor e ly on that form at to exta ct us efu lstuff . 
<L an ey> ofcourseit re q uires d illigence  to get i tallr i ght , and does n't obvi ate the n e ed fo r  c hecki ng<persi a>  Ri ght.<nigel b > i f a p atch w or ks wit h -p0 ,how do I  get it to work with -p 1?

 works_too.
<persia> Sometimes_code.google.com has histories that_can be_informative_as well.
<nixternal>_google_is evil, use_bing!
<nixternal> </trolling>
<Laney> I_don't think you actually_need the author_with_DEP5, do you?
<\sh> persia: Authors: Google Opensource Developers <opensource@google.com> ;)
<Laney> Just Maintainer and copyright_holder
<Laney>_Maintainer is_even_optional_:)
<persia> Well, it's also good_to have original authors for_jurisdictions in_which the original author retains "natural rights" to_the_code.
<persia> ("work for_hire" only goes so far in some places)
<persia> Not_that I'm qualified to have an_opinion :)
 *_Laney_is_thinking only of pleasing_the archive overlords
<persia> Laney: You may_be amused to read Ganneff's comments_on DEP5 (I don't think they are_on the DEP site : you_may have to track through_wiki history_from the old wiki page)._ Most of_the details_don't matter from_that point of view.
<Laney> persia: OK,_I just read_it, and am now enlightened.
<Laney> I_thought_that the FTP_team_would_have had_input...
<persia> The FTP_team?_ You_mean_ftp-masters?
<Laney> yeah
<persia> They did.
<Laney> re: "Thats_why_you never heard anything from us"
<persia> The_point there is that_the_format simply doesn't matter_from that perspective.
<persia> (and it_doesn't)
<persia> The format becomes useful *after*_to passes_through that_process.
<Laney> I was viewing it as a recipe to include everything_you should
<persia> Because if the format_is used, and it_passes that_process,_then it is_likely_possible to_rely on that format to extact usefu_lstuff.
<Laney> of_course it requires dilligence to get_it all right, and_doesn't_obviate the need for checking
<persia> Right.
<nigelb>_if a patch works with -p0,_how do I get it_to_work_with -p1?
