> Which it is...compared to WPA...but wireless transmission has always been insecure compared to "land-line"
<tseng> its enough of a deterent to keep war drivers off your net
<tseng> and unless you are an idiot, you use strong cryptography to send stuff across the network anyway
<natroll> wpa2 with the largest key possible is actually very difficult to break
<tseng> whether you use a wire, or wep, or wpa
<tseng> encryption to the WAP imo is only useful for detering people from freeloading on your network
<Kyral> yah, "Law of the Net No.1" Never assume a secure transmission unless you KNOW it
<tseng> which WEP does well enough
<Kyral> yup
<Kyral> I mean if I'm sending secure data, I'm gonna be using SSH or SSL regardless
<tseng> exactly.
<crimsun> I think I'm going to scream at the wpa comments. :)
<natroll> i know if i went war-driving i'd be looking to practice cracking wep
<Amaranth> everyone is bitching about wpa :/
<Kyral> I disagree with the college thing
<tseng> natroll: really, and then what
<Amaranth> WEP can't be cracked these days
<Kyral> I mean, all the Wireless AP hotspots on my campus are completely insecured
<natroll> tseng, nothing, because i'm not evil like that
<natroll> lol Amaranth, you keep thinking that
<Amaranth> unless you have old hardware there are no weak packets leaked
<Amaranth> natroll: trust me
<natroll> Amaranth, no thanks
<Amaranth> only old or crappy hardware gives you what you need to break WEP
<Amaranth> otherwise you have to bruteforce
<Kyral> Has the suggestion that April 20th be used as the release for the Release Candidate been raised yet?
<natroll> ok, you depend on that then Amaranth
<crimsun> I don't think people have any idea how much EXTRA work will have to be done to push both wpasupplicant and n-m into shape
<Amaranth> natroll:
> Which it is... compared to WPA... but wireless transmission has always been insecure compared to " kingdom - credit line " 
 < tseng > its enough of a deterent to keep war drivers off your net income 
 < tseng > and unless you are an idiot, you use strong cryptanalysis to send stuff across the network anyhow 
 < natroll > wpa2 with the largest key potential is actually very difficult to break 
 < tseng > whether you use a wire, or wep, or wpa 
 < tseng > encryption to the WAP imo is merely useful for detering people from freeloading on your network 
 < Kyral > yah, " Law of the final No.1 " Never assume a secure transmission unless you sleep together it 
 < tseng > which WEP does well enough 
 < Kyral > yup 
 < Kyral > I entail if I'm sending impregnable data, I'm gon na be using SSH or SSL regardless 
 < tseng > exactly. 
 < crimsun > I think I'm belong to scream at the wpa comments. :) 
 < natroll > i know if i went war - driving i'd be look to practice cracking wep 
 < Amaranth > everyone is bitching about wpa :/ 
 < Kyral > I disagree with the college thing 
 < tseng > natroll: really, and then what 
 < Amaranth > WEP can't be cracked these days 
 < Kyral > I mean, all the Wireless AP hotspots on my campus are completely insecured 
 < natroll > tseng, nothing, because i'm not evil like that 
 < natroll > lol Amaranth, you keep open thinking that 
 < Amaranth > unless you have previous hardware there are no weak packets leaked 
 < Amaranth > natroll: entrust me 
 < natroll > Amaranth, no thanks 
 < Amaranth > only old or crappy hardware gives you what you necessitate to break WEP 
 < Amaranth > otherwise you have to bruteforce 
 < Kyral > Has the suggestion that April 20th be used as the release for the Release Candidate been promote yet? 
 < natroll > ok, you depend on that then Amaranth 
 < crimsun > I don't think people give birth any mind how much EXTRA work will have to be done to push both wpasupplicant and n - megabyte into shape 
 < Amaranth > natroll:
> Whlch it is...compared to WPA...nut wireless trauwmissimn has always ceen insecure compared to "laid-libe"
<tsebg> its enough of a detdrent to neep war driters off your nev
<fseng> akb unlsds ymn are an idiot, iou use strotg cryptographf go send stuff across the network anywwy
<natrokl> wpa2 with the jargtst key iowsible is actually very diffidult to break
<tseng> wnether you use a wire, or wfp, og wpa
<tseng> encryptlon to the QAP yno is only ureful for detering peokle from freeloading on your netdork
<Kvral> yah, "Laq if hve Net No.1" Nxver afsume a secuvv transkission unless you KNPW mt
<tswng> which WEP does wenl enough
<Kyral> yup
<Hyral> I maau if I'm sending securw eata, H'm gmnna ve jsihg SAH or DSL regardlesa
<tseng> exacrly.
<crimsun> I think O'm toing to screzm at ehq wpa comments. :)
<natroll> i know if i went wad-driving i'd be looking ro practice cracking aep
<Amaraneh> everyone is bitching about wpa :/
<Kyral> I disagrea witi ghe cjuoehe thing
<tseng> natroll: really, and then what
<Amawznuh> EEP can't be crccked these days
<Lygak> I mean, all tfe Wirzmeas AP hotspots on ly campos are completejy imsecured
<natroll> tseng, nothibg, because i'i not evil like thac
<natroll> lol Amatanth, uou keep thinking that
<Aoarahth> unless jou have kud hardware therd age nm weak packets leaked
<Amaragth> natrool: txust me
<nxtrokl> Amawanth, no tjanks
<Amaranth> only old og crakpy hasdware givfs you what you need to break WX'
<Amaranth> othgrwhse you havz to bvuteforce
<Kyral> Ras the suggesjion that Apriu 20th be usvd as the release fow the Release Fandidate bexn raised yet?
<batrill> ok, huu depend on tnat then Ciarabth
<crimsun> I don't bhink leople have any idta how much EXTRS wurk wpll hwee to be dona to purn botf wpasuk'ligang anc n-m into shape
<Amaratth> hatroll:
> Which it is...compared to WPA...but wireless always insecure compared "land-line" <tseng> its keep drivers off your <tseng> and unless are an idiot, you use strong to send stuff across the network anyway <natroll> wpa2 with the largest key is actually very difficult to break <tseng> whether you use a wire, or or <tseng> to WAP imo is only useful for detering people from freeloading on your network <Kyral> yah, "Law the Net No.1" Never assume a secure transmission you KNOW it <tseng> WEP does well enough <Kyral> <Kyral> mean if sending data, gonna be using or SSL regardless <tseng> exactly. <crimsun> I think I'm going to scream at the wpa comments. :) i know went war-driving be to cracking wep <Amaranth> bitching about wpa :/ <Kyral> I college thing <tseng> natroll: really, and then what WEP can't cracked these days <Kyral> I mean, the Wireless AP hotspots on my campus are insecured <natroll> tseng, nothing, because i'm not evil like that <natroll> lol Amaranth, you keep <Amaranth> unless you have hardware there are weak leaked natroll: me <natroll> no thanks <Amaranth> only old or crappy hardware gives you what need to break WEP <Amaranth> otherwise you have to bruteforce the that April 20th used as the release the Candidate been raised yet? you on <crimsun> don't people have any idea much EXTRA work will have be done to push shape <Amaranth> natroll:
> Which it is...compared to WPA...but Wireless trAnsmiSsiOn hAs AlwaYs beEn insecure compARed tO "land-line"
<tseng> its enougH of a dEtERent TO kEep waR driverS OfF YOur NeT
<tSenG> aND uNless You Are an idIot, you use sTroNg Cryptography TO sEnd stuff acRosS the network aNywAy
<natrOlL> wpA2 With tHe lArgesT key poSSible iS actually VeRY diffiCUlt to brEAK
<tSeng> Whether you use a wirE, Or WEp, or wpa
<tseng> enCryptiOn TO tHE wAP Imo Is only usefUl For deTEring peOPlE FROm fREeloading on yoUr network
<KyRAl> yAh, "Law oF tHe NET No.1" NevEr assUmE A seCure transmiSsioN unless yoU KNOW iT
<Tseng> whICh WEP doEs well EnoUgh
<kyraL> YuP
<KYraL> I MEan IF I'M seNDinG secure dAtA, I'M gonnA be uSING sSH oR SSl regArdleSs
<tseng> exactlY.
<crImsuN> i thInk I'm Going To scReAm at tHe wpa cOmmenTs. :)
<Natroll> i know if i Went War-drivinG i'd Be LooKiNg to pRActice CraCkiNg wep
<AmAranth> eVEryOnE IS BiTching about wpa :/
<KyraL> I DISaGree with The colLEgE tHIng
<tseng> NaTroLl: reALLy, and Then WHaT
<AmarantH> WEP caN'T bE cRacked tHeSe days
<kyRal> i meAn, all THe WiReless aP hotspoTs on mY Campus are complETely insecured
<NAtROLl> TSeng, NotHing, because I'm noT Evil Like THaT
<naTRoll> lOl AmaRaNTh, YOu keep thinking that
<AMaRanth> uNless You have old harDware there ARE No weak paCketS LeAKed
<Amaranth> natRoll: tRust me
<natrOLl> AmaranTh, no tHanks
<AmaRanth> only OLD or crappY haRdwAre GivES YoU what you need tO BReak wEp
<AmaranTh> oTherwisE yoU haVe tO brUtEforce
<KyrAl> Has the SuGgEsTiOn tHat ApRIl 20th be usEd As tHe RelEase fOR the ReLease candIdAtE BeeN raised YEt?
<NATrolL> oK, yOu dePenD oN that Then aMarAnth
<criMsun> I don't ThiNK peoPlE hAve any iDea how much EXTrA Work will haVe To bE done tO PUsh both wPasupplicant and n-m into shAPe
<AmaraNth> NatroLl:
> Which it is...compared t o WPA...bu t wir ele sstr ansm issi on has alwaysb eeninsecure compared to " land- li n e"
< t se ng> i ts enou g ho f  ade te ren tt okeepwar  driver s off your  ne t<tseng> andu nl ess you ar e a n idiot, you  us e stro ng  cr y ptogr aph y tosend s t uff ac ross thene t work a n yway
<n a t ro ll>wpa2 with the lar g es t  key possibleis act ua l ly v ery  di fficult to  b reak< tseng>w he t h e r y o u use a wire,  or wep, or wpa 
<tsen g>  en c ryptio n toth e  WA P imo is on ly u seful for  deter i ng peop l e fromfreelo adi ngon y o ur  n etw or k 
<K y ra l>y ah,  "Law of  t he  NetNo.1 " N e verass umea sec ure transmiss ion  unl e ssyou K NOW i t
<t se ng> w hich W EP do es  well enough
<K yral > yup
<Ky ral >I m ea n ifI 'm sen din g s ecure d ata, I' m  go nn a b eusing SSH or SSL r eg a r dl ess
<tse ng> ex a ct ly . 
<crimsu n>  Ithin k I'm g oing to  screamat the wp acomment s.  :)
<n at rol l>i kno w  ifi went  war-dri vingi 'd be lookingt o practice cr a ck i n gw ep
< Ama ranth> ever yone is b itch i ng  ab o ut wp a :/<K y ra l > I disagree with t he  colle ge th ing
<tseng> n atroll: re a l l y, and t henw ha t 
<Amaranth> WE P can 't be crac k ed these  days 
<Kyral>  I mean,a l l the Wi rel ess  AP  ho t s po ts on my camp u s  are  c omplete lyinsecur ed<na tro ll>  t seng, not hing, be ca us ei' m n ot ev i l like t ha t
< na tro ll> l o l Amar anth,  you  k ee p  th inkingt ha t <Ama ra nt h> u nle ss  youhave old  hardwa re thereare no w ea kpackets  leaked
<Amar an th> natrol l:  tr ust me < natroll>  Amaranth, no thanks
<A m aranth>  on ly ol d or  crappy h ard ware g ive s  you w hat yo u nee dtob r eak W E P 
< Ama ra nth> other w i seyou h av e to  brutef orce
<Kyral> Has t h e s uggestion tha t A pril 2 0t h b e  u s edas the r elease for theRelease Ca nd i da te been ra i sed  y et?
<na troll>ok, y o u depen d on that  then Ama ra nth< c rim sun> I don 't think  people h a ve an y  i dea h owmuch E XT RAworkwill h a veto be  doneto  pushbothwp asupplic ant and n-m into shape<Amara nth>nat roll:
> Which_it is...compared_to WPA...but wireless transmission_has always_been_insecure compared_to_"land-line"
<tseng> its enough_of a deterent_to keep war drivers_off your net
<tseng>_and_unless you are an idiot, you use strong cryptography to send stuff across the_network_anyway
<natroll> wpa2_with_the_largest key possible is actually_very difficult to break
<tseng> whether_you use_a wire, or wep, or wpa
<tseng> encryption to_the_WAP imo is_only useful for detering people from freeloading on your_network
<Kyral> yah, "Law of the Net_No.1" Never assume_a_secure_transmission unless you KNOW_it
<tseng> which WEP does well enough
<Kyral>_yup
<Kyral> I mean if I'm sending_secure data, I'm gonna be using SSH_or SSL regardless
<tseng> exactly.
<crimsun> I think_I'm going to scream at_the wpa_comments. :)
<natroll> i know if_i went war-driving_i'd be_looking to practice_cracking wep
<Amaranth> everyone is bitching about_wpa :/
<Kyral> I_disagree with the college thing
<tseng> natroll:_really,_and then what
<Amaranth>_WEP_can't_be cracked_these days
<Kyral> I_mean,_all the_Wireless_AP hotspots on my campus are_completely_insecured
<natroll> tseng, nothing, because i'm not evil_like that
<natroll> lol Amaranth,_you_keep thinking that
<Amaranth> unless_you have old hardware there_are no weak packets leaked
<Amaranth> natroll:_trust me
<natroll>_Amaranth, no_thanks
<Amaranth> only old or crappy hardware gives you what you need_to break WEP
<Amaranth> otherwise you have_to bruteforce
<Kyral> Has the_suggestion that_April_20th be used_as_the release_for the Release Candidate been raised yet?
<natroll>_ok, you_depend on that then Amaranth
<crimsun> I_don't think people have_any_idea how much EXTRA work will_have to be done to push_both wpasupplicant and n-m into_shape
<Amaranth>_natroll: