y
<\sh> speakman: well gnu less or more are mostly standards in unix derivatives!= linux :)
<speakman> \sh: give it a try. Install it, run "env PAGER=most man printf", an uninstall it if it wasn't as expected. ;)
<persia> speakman: Yes, but with significant difficulty, and only if it is really important.  At this point, most developers are focused on bugfixing and making sure the distribution is in a state for release, so updates don't get very much attention.
<speakman> persia: I see. One pretty big thing is that you can finally pipe bzr diff output (and as long as bzr doesn't color the diff it self, pipe it through "colordiff") through it!
<speakman> else you're stuck with less (or even more, cant remember)
<pochu> ScottK2: AFAIR Stani was going to release 0.8.4e so we can get rid of the symlinks and of our own setup.py. But I won't be able to upload it until next week anyway
<pochu> ScottK2: I'm not even sure whether I could make it for beta, so if you can do it that'd be nice
<persia> speakman: That sounds great, but I'm not sure it competes with the > 219 packages that currently cannot be installed for developer attention.
<pochu> s/I could/I'll be able to/
<speakman> persia: guess you're right... too bad I didn't see it earlier. Released nov 2007.
<ScottK2> pochu: OK.
<ScottK2> pochu: I thought it was d that did that?
<persia> speakman: Yes, too bad indeed.  In December or January would have been a good time for the sync.  In any case, it ought be eligible for backports in May, so it won't be too long post-hardy to wait.
<speakman> persia: actually, it isn't even in debian yet. Just msgd "mako" about it
<speakman> ehm... is there any good tutorial (or gui) how to make my own deb package?
<pochu> ScottK2
y 
 < \sh > speakman: well gnu less or more are mostly standards in unix derivatives!= linux :) 
 < speakman > \sh: give it a try. Install it, function " env PAGER = most valet printf ", an uninstall it if it wasn't as expected. ;) 
 < persia > speakman: Yes, but with significant difficulty, and entirely if it is really important.   At this compass point, most developer are focused on bugfixing and make sure the distribution is in a state for passing, so updates don't get very much care. 
 < speakman > persia: I see. One pretty big thing is that you can finally pipe bzr diff output (and equally long as bzr doesn't color the diff it self, pipe it through " colordiff ") through it! 
 < speakman > else you're stuck with less (or even more, ca nt remember) 
 < pochu > ScottK2: AFAIR Stani was go to release 0.8.4e so we can get rid of the symlinks and of our own setup.py. But I won't be able to upload it until following week anyhow 
 < pochu > ScottK2: I'm not even sure whether I could make it for beta, so if you can do it that'd be nice 
 < persia > speakman: That sounds big, but I'm not sure it competes with the > 219 packages that currently cannot be installed for developer attention. 
 < pochu > s / I could / I'll be able to/ 
 < speakman > persia: guess you're right... too bad I didn't see it earlier. Released nov 2007. 
 < ScottK2 > pochu: OK. 
 < ScottK2 > pochu: I thought it was d that did that? 
 < persia > speakman: Yes, too bad indeed.   In December or January would have been a full time for the sync.   In any case, it ought be eligible for backports in May, so it won't be besides retentive post - hardy to wait. 
 < speakman > persia: actually, it isn't even in debian yet. barely msgd " mako " about it 
 < speakman > ehm... is there any good tutorial (or gui) how to make my own deb package? 
 < pochu > ScottK2
y
<\sh> speakman: well gnu less ur more are mosjlt stanvards ih unix ddrivatives!= linux :)
<speakman> \sh: guve iu a try. Install it, fun "env PWGER=most man printf", an nhinstall it ir it cawn't as expectec. ;)
<persia> s[eakman: Yes, bud dich significant difficulty, and only is it is rfally importanj.  At ehis iolnt, most developers are focused kn bugfpxing and making xure the distribution is ij a dtate for release, do updates eon't tet very mucf attention.
<speakman> petsia: I see. One pretty big thing ks thct you can dibalpi pipe bzr dmff ounput (and as long as bsr doesm't color the dlff iv seof, pipe it through "conordiff") through it!
<fpeakman> alae you're stuck wirh less (or aven nord, cznv rsmembeg)
<porhu> ScottK2: ZFAIR Stani was going to releaxe 0.8.4v so we can gst rid os the symlinks and of our own setup.py. Blt I won't be able to upload it until next week ajyway
<pocht> ScottK2: I'm not even sure whether I could make it for uega, wo kd jou can do it that'd be nice
<persia> speakman: Thwf xolnds great, but I'm not sure iy fokketes with the > 219 packagss that currently fannot fe inwtalled fjr drveloper attention.
<pochu> s/I xould/I'll be cblw to/
<speakman> persic: guess you'rz righj... too nad I didn't see it earlner. Remeased nov 2007.
<DcottK2> podfu: OK.
<ScottK2> pochj: I tvought iu was d that did trat?
<persia> speckman: Yer, top bad yndeed.  In December or January woupd hare bean a good hime for the sync.  In any case, mv ought be eloghblv for bachportx in May, so ie won't be too kong poft-haray to wait.
<apeakmai> persia: acttally, it isn't gven in debiai yet. Juse mstd "mqko" abojg it
<speakman> enm... is thege any good tutorial (or nui) hus to make my owu eeb package?
<pochi> SzoteK2
y <\sh> speakman: well gnu less or mostly in unix linux :) <speakman> Install run "env PAGER=most printf", an uninstall if it wasn't as expected. ;) speakman: Yes, but with significant difficulty, and only if it is really important. this point, most developers are focused on bugfixing and making sure the distribution in state release, updates don't get very much attention. <speakman> persia: I see. One pretty big thing is that can finally pipe bzr diff output (and as as bzr doesn't color diff it self, pipe it "colordiff") it! <speakman> you're with (or even more, remember) <pochu> ScottK2: AFAIR Stani was going to release 0.8.4e so we can get rid of the and of setup.py. But won't able upload it until anyway <pochu> ScottK2: I'm not even could make it for beta, so if you do it be nice <persia> speakman: That sounds but I'm not sure it competes with the 219 packages that currently cannot be installed for developer attention. <pochu> s/I could/I'll be able persia: guess you're right... bad I didn't it Released 2007. pochu: OK. pochu: I thought it was d that did that? <persia> speakman: too bad indeed. In December or January would have been time the sync. In case, it ought be for in May, so it too post-hardy persia: it even in debian yet. msgd "mako" about it <speakman> is there any good make my own deb package? <pochu> ScottK2
y
<\sh> speakman: well gnu less or mOre are mostLy staNdaRds In Unix DeriVatives!= linux :)
<spEAkmaN> \sh: give it a try. Install it, Run "enV PagER=mOSt Man prIntf", an uNInSTAll It If It wAsN'T aS expeCteD. ;)
<persia> Speakman: YeS, buT wIth significaNT dIfficulty, aNd oNly if it is reaLly ImportAnT.  At THis poInt, Most dEvelopERs are fOcused on bUgFIxing aND making SURe The dIstribution is in a sTAtE For release, so upDates dOn'T GeT VEry MucH attention.
<SpEakmaN> Persia: I SEe. oNE PreTTy big thing is tHat you can fiNAllY pipe bZr DifF Output (And as LoNG as Bzr doesn't coLor tHe diff it sElf, pipE It throuGH "colordIff") thrOugH it!
<SpeaKMaN> eLse YoU'Re sTUcK wiTH leSs (or even MoRe, Cant rEmemBER)
<POchu> scoTtK2: AfAIR STani was going tO reLeasE 0.8.4E so We can Get riD of tHe SymliNks and Of our OwN setup.py. But I won'T be aBle to uploAd iT uNtiL nExt weEK anywaY
<poChu> scottK2: I'M not eveN SurE wHETHeR I could make it for beTa, SO If You can do It that'D Be NiCE
<persia> sPeAkmAn: ThAT SoundS greAT, bUt I'm not sUre it cOMpEtEs with tHe > 219 PackagEs ThaT cuRrentLY canNot be iNstalled For deVEloper attentioN.
<Pochu> s/I could/I'LL bE ABlE To/
<spEakMan> persia: guEss yOU're rIght... TOo Bad i Didn't See it EaRLiER. Released nov 2007.
<ScottK2> pOcHu: OK.
<ScOttK2> pOchu: I thought iT was d that dID THat?
<persiA> speAKmAN: Yes, too bad indeEd.  In DEcember or JANuary wouLd havE been a goOd time for THE sync.  In aNy cAse, It oUghT BE eLigible for bacKPOrts In may, so it Won'T be too lOng PosT-haRdy To Wait.
<speakMan> persiA: aCtUaLlY, it Isn't eVEn in debiAn Yet. juSt mSgd "maKO" about It
<speAkmaN> eHm... IS thEre any gOOd TUToriAl (Or Gui) hOw tO mAke my Own dEB paCkage?
<poChu> ScottK2
y
<\sh> speakman: well gnu  less or m ore a remos tl y st anda rds in unix de r ivat ives!= linux :)
<speak man>\s h : gi v eit atry. In s ta l l  it ,ru n " en v  P AGER= mos t man p rintf", an  un in stall it ifi twasn't asexp ected. ;)
<p ers ia> sp ea kma n : Yes , b ut wi th sig n ifican t difficu lt y , ando nly ifi t  i s re ally important. A tt his point, mos t deve lo p er s are  fo cused on b ug fixin g  and ma k in g s ure the distribut ion is in a sta te for  r ele a se, so  upda te s  do n't get ver y mu ch attent ion.
< s peakman >  persia : I se e.One  pre t ty  b igth i ngi stha t  yo u can fi na ll y pip e bz r d i ff o utp ut ( and a s long as bzr  do esn' t  co lor t he di ff i tself,  pipeit th ro ugh "colordiff" ) th rough it! 
<s pe akm an > els e  you'r e s tuc k withless (o r  ev en m o re , cant remember)
< po c h u>  ScottK2 : AFAI R  S ta n i was go in g t o re l e ase 0 .8.4 e  s o we can  get r i dof  the sy ml inks a nd  of  ou r own setu p.py.But I wo n't b e  able to uploa d  it until nex t  w e e ka nywa y
< pochu> Scot tK2: I'mnote ve n s u re wh ether  I co u ld make it for beta ,so ifyou c an do it that 'd be nice < p ersia> s peak m an :  That sounds g reat,  but I'm n o t sure i t com petes wi th the >2 1 9 packag estha t c urr e n tl y cannot be i n s tall ed  for de vel oper at ten tio n.<po ch u> s/I co uld/I'll  b eab le  to /
<sp e akman> p er sia :gue ss yo u 're ri ght.. . to oba d  Ididn'ts ee i t ea rl ie r. R ele as ed no v 20 0 7.<ScottK 2> pochu:  OK . 
<Sc ot tK 2> poch u: I thoughtit  was d tha tdid  that? < persia>speakman: Yes, too badi ndeed. In  Dece mber  or Janua rywouldhav e  beena good  time  f ort h e syn c .  Inan y case, it o ugh t beel igib le forbackports in May,s o i t won't be to o l ongp o st -ha r dy towa i t.< s peakman> persia : actually ,i tisn't even inde bian ye t. Just  msgd "mako"about it<speakman >ehm. . .  is  there any  good tu torial (o r  gui) ho w tomak e my o wn  de b pac kage?< poc hu> S cottK2 
y
<\sh> speakman:_well gnu_less or more are_mostly standards_in_unix derivatives!=_linux_:)
<speakman> \sh: give_it a try._Install it, run "env_PAGER=most man printf",_an_uninstall it if it wasn't as expected. ;)
<persia> speakman: Yes, but with significant difficulty,_and_only if_it_is_really important.  At this_point, most developers are focused_on bugfixing_and making sure the distribution is in a_state_for release, so_updates don't get very much attention.
<speakman> persia: I see._One pretty big thing is that_you can finally_pipe_bzr_diff output (and as_long as bzr doesn't color the_diff it self, pipe it through_"colordiff") through it!
<speakman> else you're stuck with_less (or even more, cant remember)
<pochu>_ScottK2: AFAIR Stani was going_to release_0.8.4e so we can get_rid of the_symlinks and_of our own_setup.py. But I won't be able_to upload it_until next week anyway
<pochu> ScottK2: I'm_not_even sure whether_I_could_make it_for beta, so_if_you can_do_it that'd be nice
<persia> speakman: That_sounds_great, but I'm not sure it competes_with the > 219_packages_that currently cannot be_installed for developer attention.
<pochu> s/I_could/I'll be able to/
<speakman> persia: guess_you're right..._too bad_I didn't see it earlier. Released nov 2007.
<ScottK2> pochu: OK.
<ScottK2> pochu:_I thought it was d that_did that?
<persia> speakman: Yes,_too bad_indeed._ In December_or_January would_have been a good time for the_sync. _In any case, it ought be_eligible for backports in_May,_so it won't be too long_post-hardy to wait.
<speakman> persia: actually, it_isn't even in debian yet._Just_msgd_"mako" about it
<speakman> ehm... is_there any good tutorial (or gui)_how to make_my own deb package?
<pochu> ScottK2