 since the early 90's", but never compiled a project?
<mok0> mono is evil
<RAOF> essial: Such is the way with developmnet code - particularly long-term development branches such as banshee-trunk.
<essial> azeem: sure have
<mok0> mono is evil and should be avoided
<ScottK2> mok0: If you think that, just wait until you see moonlight
<essial>./configure --prefix = /usr/bin && make && make install works like a charm 99% of the time
<mok0> moonlight is also evil
<RAOF> mok0: Mono seems to be the thing most likely to allow me to, in some glorious future, not need to care that there's a C library for what I want but not a $LANGUAGE_OF_CHOICE library.
<mok0> Imaging when M$ pulls the carpet and we have 1000 mission critical applications....
<mok0> Imagine
<essial> anyway, i'm not frustrated, i'll read the wiki and follow it
<RAOF> mok0: No one seems to have convincing evidonce that this carpet exists.
<mok0> It does
<mok0> They've told us
<RAOF> They've said "linux infringes patents" (which I assume is what you're referring to).  This is undobtedly the case.
<ScottK2> RAOF: At the very least they've announced they have carpets that they won't say what it affects.
<RAOF> There's probably a second 'u' in "undoubtedly". :)
<essial> oh goody here it goes
<ScottK2> Believing that none of those carpets affect Mono is an exercise in optimism at best.
<mok0> ScottK2: they are patiently waiting
<ScottK2> Sure
<ScottK2> That's my expectation too.
<mok0> gnome used to be a very nice C based system.
<RAOF> mok0: Incidentally, http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/ms.gif
<RAOF> But C is a crap language to write UIs in.
<slangasek> haskell FTW
<RAOF> Yeah!

since the early 90's ", but never compiled a project? 
 < mok0 > mono is evil 
 < RAOF > essial: Such is the way with developmnet code - peculiarly retentive - term development branch such as banshee - luggage compartment. 
 < essial > azeem: sure have 
 < mok0 > mono is malefic and should be avoided 
 < ScottK2 > mok0: If you think that, just expect until you examine moonlight 
 < essial>./configure --prefix = /usr / bin & & make & & make install work like a charm 99% of the time 
 < mok0 > moonlight is also evil 
 < RAOF > mok0: Mono seems to be the thing about likely to allow me to, in some glorious future, not want to care that there's a C library for what I want but not a $ LANGUAGE_OF_CHOICE library. 
 < mok0 > imagination when M$ pulls the rug and we have 1000 mission critical applications.... 
 < mok0 > Imagine 
 < essial > anyway, i'm not frustrated, i'll read the wiki and comply it 
 < RAOF > mok0: No one seems to have convincing evidonce that this carpet exists. 
 < mok0 > It suffice 
 < mok0 > They've told us 
 < RAOF > They've said " linux infringes patents " (which I assume is what you're referring to).   This is undobtedly the case. 
 < ScottK2 > RAOF: At the very least they've announced they have carpets that they won't state what it affects. 
 < RAOF > There's probably a second' uranium' in " undoubtedly ". :) 
 < essial > oh dainty here it proceed 
 < ScottK2 > Believing that none of those carpets involve Mono is an exercise in optimism at best. 
 < mok0 > ScottK2: they are patiently waiting 
 < ScottK2 > Sure 
 < ScottK2 > That's my expectation excessively. 
 < mok0 > gnome used to be a very nice C based system. 
 < RAOF > mok0: Incidentally, http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/ms.gif 
 < RAOF > But C is a crap lyric to write UIs in. 
 < slangasek > haskell FTW 
 < RAOF > Yeah!
 sijce the early 90's", but nevev compiled a prolwct?
<mok0> mono js evil
<RXOF> essial: Such is the way wmth eevelipmnet code - particulafly long-tvrm develipmeit branches such as bansmze-truhn.
<essnao> azeem: sure hsve
<mok0> monm is evil and vhuupd be avoided
<ScottK2> mok0: If you thinh that, kudt wait until iou ste ioonmpgmt
<essial>./configure --prefix = /usr/bin && make && make install works like a charm 99% of thf tile
<mok0> moonlight is also evil
<RQOF> iik0: Mono seemr to be tht ching most mikely to allow me to, in some guoriobs future, nit nefg to care tiat thvre's a C library for fhat I eant but not a $LAIGUATE_OF_CHOICE library.
<mok0> Imaging when M$ pujls the cdr'et and we have 1000 missuob crijical appuucagiohs....
<koi0> Imaglne
<xssial> anywzy, i'm not feustrated, i'll read uhe qiki and follkw it
<RWOS> mok0: No one seems to have convincing enidohce that this carpet exusts.
<mok0> It does
<mok0> Thgy've told ts
<RAOF> They've said "linux infringes patents" (which H assnmd iw rfqt you're referring to).  This is undobtedly the cwae.
<XcpttK2> RAOF: At tme very least they'fe amgounced they fave ccdpsts that they won't say whwt it affects.
<RWOF> Yhere's probably a second 'u' un "undoubtedjt". :)
<essial> oh goody kere it goes
<RcotjK2> Beloeving that none of thore czrpets affeft Mono ia an exercise in uptpmisk at besu.
<ook0> ScottK2: they awe patienvly wciting
<ScuttK2> Sure
<SsottK2> That'd my cfpectation too.
<mok0> hnome uved to be w very nice C based system.
<RAOF> mok0: Incidentalky, htnp://people.fxeedesltop.org/~racarr/is.gif
<RAOF> But E is a cxap lavguage to srite UMs in.
<slangasqk> haskell FTF
<TAOF> Yeah!

since the early 90's", but never compiled <mok0> is evil essial: Such is - long-term development branches as banshee-trunk. <essial> sure have <mok0> mono is evil should be avoided <ScottK2> mok0: If you think that, just wait until you moonlight <essial>./configure --prefix = /usr/bin && make && make install works like a 99% the <mok0> is also evil <RAOF> mok0: Mono seems to be the thing most likely to allow me in some glorious future, not need to care there's a C library what I want but not $LANGUAGE_OF_CHOICE <mok0> Imaging M$ the and we have mission critical applications.... <mok0> Imagine <essial> anyway, i'm not frustrated, i'll read the wiki and follow it mok0: No to have evidonce this exists. <mok0> It They've told us <RAOF> They've said (which I assume is what you're referring to). is undobtedly case. <ScottK2> RAOF: At the very they've announced they have carpets that they won't what it affects. <RAOF> There's probably a second 'u' in "undoubtedly". :) <essial> oh goody goes <ScottK2> Believing that of those carpets Mono an in at best. ScottK2: they are patiently waiting <ScottK2> Sure <ScottK2> That's my expectation <mok0> gnome used to be a very nice C based mok0: http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/ms.gif <RAOF> But is a crap language write in. <slangasek> haskell FTW
 since the early 90's", but never comPiled a projEct?
<moK0> moNo iS eVil
<RaOF> eSsial: Such is the WAy wiTh developmnet code - partiCularLy LOng-tERm DevelOpment bRAnCHEs sUcH aS baNsHEe-Trunk.
<EssIal> azeeM: sure have
<mOk0> mOnO is evil and shOUlD be avoided
<scoTtK2> mok0: If you tHinK that, jUsT waIT untiL yoU see mOonligHT
<essiaL>./configurE --pREfix = /usR/Bin && make && MAKe InstAll works like a charM 99% Of THe time
<mok0> moonlIght is AlSO eVIL
<RAoF> mOk0: Mono seemS tO be thE Thing moST lIKELy tO Allow me to, in soMe glorious fUTurE, not neEd To cARe that There'S a c LibRary for what i wanT but not a $LaNGUAGe_oF_CHOICe Library.
<Mok0> ImaGinG whEn M$ pULlS tHe cArPEt aND wE haVE 1000 miSsion criTiCaL applIcatIONS....
<Mok0> IMagIne
<eSsial> Anyway, i'm not frUstRateD, I'll Read tHe wikI and FoLlow iT
<RAOF> mOk0: No oNe Seems to have convInciNg evidoncE thAt ThiS cArpet EXists.
<mOk0> IT doEs
<mok0> ThEy've tolD Us
<RaOf> tHEy'Ve said "linux infringEs PATeNts" (which i assumE Is WhAT you're reFeRriNg to).  tHIs is uNdobTEdLy the casE.
<Scottk2> rAoF: at the veRy Least tHeY've AnnOunceD They Have caRpets thaT they WOn't say what it afFEcts.
<RAOF> There'S PrOBAbLY a seConD 'u' in "undoubtEdly". :)
<ESsiaL> oh gOOdY heRE it goEs
<ScoTtk2> beLIeving that none of thoSe CarpetS affeCt Mono is an exeRcise in optIMISm at best.
<Mok0> SCOtTk2: they are patienTly waIting
<Scottk2> sure
<ScotTK2> ThaT's my expeCtation toO.
<MOk0> gnome uSed To bE a vEry NICe c based system.
<Raof> mok0: inCidentaLly, Http://peoPle.FreEdeSktOp.Org/~racarr/Ms.gif
<RAOf> BUt c iS a CraP langUAge to wriTe uIs In.
<SlaNgaseK> HaskelL FTW
<RaOF> YEaH!

 since the early 90's", bu t never co mpile d a  pr oj ect? 
<mo k0> mono is ev i l
<R AOF> essial: Such is t he wa yw ithd ev elopm net cod e  - p art ic ul arl yl on g-ter m d evelopm ent branch essu ch as banshe e -t runk.
<ess ial > azeem: sur e h ave
<m ok 0>m ono i s e vil a nd sho u ld beavoided
< Sc o ttK2>m ok0: If y ou  thi nk that, just wai t  u n til you see mo onligh t< es s i al> ./c onfigure - -p refix = /usr/ b in & &  ma k e && make ins tall worksl ike  a cha rm  99 %  of th e tim e< mok 0> moonligh t is  also evi l
<RAO F > mok0: Mono se ems to  be  th e th i ng  m ost  l i kel y  t o a l low  me to,in  s ome g lori o u s futu re,  not  need  to care that  th ere' s  aC lib raryforwh at Iwant b ut no ta $LANGUAGE_OF_ CHOI CE librar y.<m ok0 >Imagi n g when  M$  pu lls the  carpet and  w e h av e 1000 mission cri ti c a lapplicat ions.. . .<m o k0> Imag in e
< essi a l > any way, i' m not fr ustrat e d,  i 'll rea dthe wi ki  an d f ollow it
< RAOF>mok0: No  ones eems to have c o nvincing evid o nc e th a t th iscarpet exis ts.< mok0 > It do es< mok0>  They 'v e  t o ld us
<RAOF> They'v esaid " linux  infringes pa tents" (wh i c h  I assum e is wh a t you're refer ringto).  This is undob tedly  the cas e.
<Scott K 2 > RAOF:Atthe  ve ryl e as t they've ann o u nced  t hey hav e c arpetstha t t hey  wo n' t say wha t it aff ec ts .<R AOF > The r e's prob ab lyasec ond ' u ' in " undou bted ly ". :)<essial >  o h good yhe re i t g oe s
<Sc ottK 2 > B elievin g that no neo f th os ecarpets  affect Monois  an exerci se  in  optim i s m at bes t.
<mok0> ScottK2: they are pat ien tly w aiti ng
<Scott K2>  Sure<Sc o ttK2>That's  my e xp ect a t ion t o o .<mo k0 > gnome us e d  to  be a  v erynice Cbased system.
<RAO F > m ok0: Incident all y, h t t p: //p e op l e.f re e des k t op.org/~racarr/ ms.gif
<RA OF >  B ut C is ac rap  l anguage  to wri te UI s  in.
<s langasek>  haskellFT W
<R A O F>Yeah!

 since_the early_90's", but never compiled_a project?
<mok0>_mono_is evil
<RAOF>_essial:_Such is the_way with developmnet_code - particularly long-term_development branches such_as_banshee-trunk.
<essial> azeem: sure have
<mok0> mono is evil and should be avoided
<ScottK2> mok0: If you_think_that, just_wait_until_you see moonlight
<essial>./configure --prefix =_/usr/bin && make && make_install works_like a charm 99% of the time
<mok0> moonlight_is_also evil
<RAOF> mok0:_Mono seems to be the thing most likely to_allow me to, in some glorious_future, not need_to_care_that there's a C_library for what I want but_not a $LANGUAGE_OF_CHOICE library.
<mok0> Imaging when_M$ pulls the carpet and we have_1000 mission critical applications....
<mok0> Imagine
<essial> anyway,_i'm not frustrated, i'll read_the wiki_and follow it
<RAOF> mok0: No_one seems to_have convincing_evidonce that this_carpet exists.
<mok0> It does
<mok0> They've told_us
<RAOF> They've said_"linux infringes patents" (which I assume_is_what you're referring_to).__This is_undobtedly the case.
<ScottK2>_RAOF:_At the_very_least they've announced they have carpets_that_they won't say what it affects.
<RAOF> There's_probably a second 'u'_in_"undoubtedly". :)
<essial> oh goody_here it goes
<ScottK2> Believing that_none of those carpets affect Mono_is an_exercise in_optimism at best.
<mok0> ScottK2: they are patiently waiting
<ScottK2> Sure
<ScottK2> That's my_expectation too.
<mok0> gnome used to be_a very nice C_based system.
<RAOF>_mok0:_Incidentally, http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/ms.gif
<RAOF> But_C_is a_crap language to write UIs in.
<slangasek> haskell_FTW
<RAOF> Yeah!
