> pwnguin: Yes, and a lot more features to encourage that are coming.
<azeem> LaserJock: commercial project which are FLOSS?
<LaserJock> azeem: no
<LaserJock> I don't think so anyway
<tonyyarusso> See, that's the thing.  We've been given no technical reasons, but there are financial reasons, so I'm inclined to believe it's completely a financial matter, which bothers me.
<LaserJock> proprietary I guess
<LaserJock> tonyyarusso: they give technical reasons
<azeem> ok, cause you said it was targetted at FLOSS projects above
<Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: We do have technical reasons.
<LaserJock> azeem: yes, but they have to pay the bills ;-)
<Fujitsu> The point of Launchpad vanishes if it is split up.
<tonyyarusso> LaserJock: What, "we don't want to be embarrassed by someone seeing our code"?
<azeem> k
<tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: not if it was properly designed...
<LaserJock> tonyyarusso: come on! I just gave you reasons
<LaserJock> azeem: it's free for FLOSS projects but proprietary projects have to pay. Pay the bills while encouraging FLOSS
<azeem> "Thank God nobody's looking at this comment, or my reputation would be ruined." -- Gordon Matzigkeit in the Solaris boot-loader code
<tonyyarusso> LaserJock: What's the difference between being able to track everything in one location and forcing everyone to use the one location directly, other than what URL you type in?
<LaserJock> tonyyarusso: it discourages collaboration
<tonyyarusso> LaserJock: how?
<tonyyarusso> Nobody can collaborate on LP anyway.
<LaserJock> sure they can
<tonyyarusso> not unless they're on the dev team...
<LaserJock> packagers can files bugs on upstreams
<LaserJock> bzr branches, etc.
<LaserJock> all in the same place
<tonyyarusso> You could do
> pwnguin: Yes, and a lot more features to encourage that are coming. 
 < azeem > LaserJock: commercial undertaking which are FLOSS? 
 < LaserJock > azeem: no 
 < LaserJock > I don't remember so anyway 
 < tonyyarusso > visualize, that's the matter.   We've been given no technical reasons, but there are fiscal rationality, so I'm inclined to think it's wholly a financial matter, which bother me. 
 < LaserJock > proprietary I guess 
 < LaserJock > tonyyarusso: they give technical reasons 
 < azeem > ok, cause you say it was targetted at FLOSS projects above 
 < Fujitsu > tonyyarusso: We do have technical reasons. 
 < LaserJock > azeem: yes, but they have to give the bills ;-) 
 < Fujitsu > The point of Launchpad vanishes if it is split up. 
 < tonyyarusso > LaserJock: What, " we don't desire to be embarrassed by someone seeing our code "? 
 < azeem > k 
 < tonyyarusso > Fujitsu: not if it was by rights designed... 
 < LaserJock > tonyyarusso: occur on! I just give you reasons 
 < LaserJock > azeem: it's free for FLOSS projects but proprietary undertaking have to pay. Pay the bills while encouraging FLOSS 
 < azeem > " Thank God nobody's looking at this comment, or my reputation would be ruined. " -- Gordon Matzigkeit in the Solaris boot - loader code 
 < tonyyarusso > LaserJock: What's the difference between being able to track everything in one location and forcing everyone to use the one location immediately, early than what URL you type in? 
 < LaserJock > tonyyarusso: it discourages collaboration 
 < tonyyarusso > LaserJock: how? 
 < tonyyarusso > Nobody can collaborate on LP anyway. 
 < LaserJock > sure they can 
 < tonyyarusso > not unless they're on the dev team... 
 < LaserJock > packagers can file bugs on upstreams 
 < LaserJock > bzr branches, etc. 
 < LaserJock > all in the same plaza 
 < tonyyarusso > You could do
> pwjguin: Yes, and a lot more features to eneiurage that zre comivg.
<azeem> LaserJock: commercial peojecu which are FLOSS?
<LarerJock> adeem: no
<LawerJixk> I don't vgink so anywag
<bonyycrnsso> See, that's jhe thing.  Wa've been given nu cechnical reasons, but there are finagcial rradons, so I'm incjinec to gvlleve it's completely a financial jatter, xhich bothers mr.
<LaserJock> proprietary I gkess
<PaserJock> tonyyarudso: they gice tqxhnical reasuns
<azeem> ok, cause you aaid it was targetted at FLOSS orojeets above
<Fuhirsu> jonyyarusso: Xe do rave technical reasots.
<LaserKock> azeem: yes, buv thwy have to pay the binls ;-)
<Fujitsu> The poynt of Lagnehpad vanishes if it us splij up.
<tmnyyxeusro> MaxedJock: Ahav, "we don't wznt to be enbarrassed by someome weeing our cose"?
<azeei> h
<tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: not if it was proptrly sesigned...
<LaserJock> tonyyqrusso: come on! I just gave you reasons
<LaserJock> azeem: it's free for FLOSS projecds buv orokrlctarh pgojects have to pay. Pay the bills while encouwzgonn FLOSS
<azeem> "Thakk God nobody's loolijg wt this commevt, or my deputation would bf ruineq." -- Goedon Matzygkeot in the Solaris boot-loadee code
<tonyyagussi> LaserJock: What's che differenee beteeen neing able to track evexythinf in one lofation ans forcing everyond tp gse the one location direcely, other thau what UFL ypu typq in?
<LaserJlck> tonyyarusso: it discokraged wollaboratlon
<tonyyarusso> LaserJock: how?
<tonbbarusso> Nobodi cdn bollaborace on KP anyway.
<LasewJock> sure thei can
<tonyvarussu> not unleas they'ce on the ded team...
<LaserJown> packagers ran files bugw on upstrexos
<LaserJock> bzt branches, etc.
<LaserHock> all in the sake klzce
<tonyyarusso> Vuo could do
> pwnguin: Yes, and a lot more encourage are coming. LaserJock: commercial project no I don't think anyway <tonyyarusso> See, the thing. We've been given no reasons, but there are financial reasons, so I'm inclined to believe it's completely financial matter, which bothers me. <LaserJock> proprietary I guess <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: they give reasons ok, you it was targetted at FLOSS projects above <Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: We do have technical reasons. <LaserJock> azeem: but they have to pay the bills ;-) The point of Launchpad if it is split up. LaserJock: "we don't to embarrassed someone seeing our <azeem> k <tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: not if it was properly designed... <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: come on! I just gave reasons <LaserJock> free for projects proprietary have to pay. bills while encouraging FLOSS <azeem> "Thank at this comment, or my reputation would be -- Gordon in the Solaris boot-loader code <tonyyarusso> What's the difference between being able to track in one location and forcing everyone to use the one location directly, other than what type in? <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: discourages collaboration <tonyyarusso> how? Nobody collaborate LP anyway. sure they can <tonyyarusso> not unless they're on the dev team... packagers can files bugs on upstreams <LaserJock> bzr branches, etc. in same place <tonyyarusso> could do
> pwnguin: Yes, and a lot more featUres to encoUrage ThaT arE cOminG.
<azeEm> LaserJock: comMErciAl project which are FLOSS?
<laserjoCK> azeEM: nO
<LaseRJock> I dON't THInk So AnYwaY
<tONyYarusSo> SEe, that's The thing.  We'Ve bEeN given no techNIcAl reasons, bUt tHere are finanCiaL reasoNs, So I'M IncliNed To belIeve it'S CompleTely a finaNcIAl mattER, which bOTHeRs me.
<laserJock> proprietARy i Guess
<LaserJock> TonyyaRuSSo: THEy gIve Technical rEaSons
<aZEem> ok, caUSe YOU SaiD It was targetteD at FLOSS proJEctS above
<fuJitSU> tonyyArussO: WE Do hAve technicaL reaSons.
<Laserjock> azEEm: yes, buT They havE to pay The BilLs ;-)
<FuJItSu> the PoINt oF laUncHPad Vanishes If It Is splIt up.
<TONYYaruSso> laseRJock: what, "we don't wanT to Be emBArrAssed By somEone SeEing oUr code"?
<Azeem> K
<tOnyyarusso> FujitSu: noT if it was pRopErLy dEsIgned...
<lAserJoCk> tOnyYarusso: Come on! I JUst GaVE YOu Reasons
<LaserJock> azEeM: IT's Free for FlOSS prOJeCtS But proprIeTarY proJECts haVe to PAy. pay the biLls whiLE eNcOuraginG FlOSS
<azEeM> "ThAnk god noBOdy's LookinG at this cOmmenT, Or my reputation WOuld be ruined." -- GORdON maTZigkEit In the SolariS booT-LoadEr coDE
<tOnyYArussO> LaseRJOCk: wHat's the difference beTwEen beiNg ablE to track everyThing in one LOCAtion and ForcINg EVeryone to use thE one lOcation dirECtly, otheR than What URL yOu type in?
<LASErJock> toNyyAruSso: It dISCoUrages collaboRATion
<ToNyyarusSo> LAserJocK: hoW?
<toNyyAruSsO> Nobody caN collaboRaTe On lP AnyWay.
<LaSErJock> suRe TheY cAn
<tOnyyaRUsso> noT unleSs thEy'Re ON thE dev teaM...
<laSERJocK> pAcKageRs cAn Files Bugs ON upStreams
<laserJock> Bzr BRancHeS, eTc.
<Laserjock> all in the sAmE place
<tonyYaRusSo> You cOULd do
> pwnguin: Yes, and a lotmore featu res t o e nco ur agethat  are coming.
< a zeem > LaserJock: commercia l pro je c t wh i ch  areFLOSS?< La s e rJo ck >aze em :  n o
<La ser Jock> I  don't thi nkso  anyway
<ton y ya russo> See , t hat's the th ing .  We' ve  be e n giv enno te chnica l  reaso ns, but t he r e aref inancia l re ason s, so I'm incline d  t o  believe it'scomple te l ya fin anc ial matter ,which bothers me . < Las e rJock> propri etary I gue s s
< LaserJ oc k>t onyyar usso:  t h eygive techni calreasons
< azeem> ok, cau s e you s aid it  wa s t arge t te datFL O SSp ro jec t s a bove
<Fu ji ts u> to nyya r u s s o: W e d o ha ve te chnical reaso ns. 
<La s erJ ock>azeem : ye s,  butthey h ave t opay the bills ; -)
< Fujitsu>The  p oin tof La u nchpad  va nis hes ifit is s p lit  u p . <t onyyarusso> LaserJ oc k :  W hat, "we  don't wa nt to be em ba rra ssed b y som eone se eing our  code" ? 
< az eem> k<t onyyar us so>  Fu jitsu :  not  if it  was pro perly designed...
<L a serJock> tony y ar u s so :  com e o n! I just g avey ou r easo n s<La s erJoc k> az ee m :i t's free for FLOSSpr ojects  butproprietary p rojects ha v e to pay.Payt he bills while en coura ging FLOSS <azeem>"Than k God no body's lo o k ing at t his  co mme nt, o rmy reputation w ould  b e ruine d."  -- Gor don  Ma tzi gke it  in the S olaris b oo t- lo ad ercode< tonyyaru ss o>La ser Jock: What's  thediff er en c e b etweenb ei n g  abl eto  tra ckev eryth ingi n o ne loca tion andfor c ingev er yone to  use the onelo cation dir ec tly , othe r than wha t URL you type in?
<Las e rJock>ton yyaru sso:  it disco ura ges co lla b oratio n
<ton yyaru ss o>L a serJo c k :how ?<tonyyarus s o > N obody  c an c ollabor ate on LP anyway.< Las erJock> surethe y ca n <t ony y ar u sso >n otu n less they're on  the dev t ea m .. .
<LaserJo c k>pa ckagers  can fi les b u gs on u pstreams<LaserJoc k>  bzr b ran ches, etc. 
<LaserJ ock> alli n the sa me pl ace 
<tony ya rus so> Y ou cou l d d o
> pwnguin:_Yes, and_a lot more features_to encourage_that_are coming.
<azeem>_LaserJock:_commercial project which_are FLOSS?
<LaserJock> azeem:_no
<LaserJock> I don't think_so anyway
<tonyyarusso> See,_that's_the thing.  We've been given no technical reasons, but there are financial reasons,_so_I'm inclined_to_believe_it's completely a financial matter,_which bothers me.
<LaserJock> proprietary I_guess
<LaserJock> tonyyarusso:_they give technical reasons
<azeem> ok, cause you said_it_was targetted at_FLOSS projects above
<Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: We do have technical reasons.
<LaserJock>_azeem: yes, but they have to_pay the bills_;-)
<Fujitsu>_The_point of Launchpad vanishes_if it is split up.
<tonyyarusso> LaserJock:_What, "we don't want to be_embarrassed by someone seeing our code"?
<azeem> k
<tonyyarusso>_Fujitsu: not if it was properly_designed...
<LaserJock> tonyyarusso: come on! I_just gave_you reasons
<LaserJock> azeem: it's free_for FLOSS projects_but proprietary_projects have to_pay. Pay the bills while encouraging_FLOSS
<azeem> "Thank God_nobody's looking at this comment, or_my_reputation would be_ruined."_--_Gordon Matzigkeit_in the Solaris_boot-loader_code
<tonyyarusso> LaserJock:_What's_the difference between being able to_track_everything in one location and forcing everyone_to use the one_location_directly, other than what_URL you type in?
<LaserJock> tonyyarusso:_it discourages collaboration
<tonyyarusso> LaserJock: how?
<tonyyarusso> Nobody_can collaborate_on LP_anyway.
<LaserJock> sure they can
<tonyyarusso> not unless they're on the dev team...
<LaserJock>_packagers can files bugs on upstreams
<LaserJock>_bzr branches, etc.
<LaserJock> all_in the_same_place
<tonyyarusso> You could_do