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<LaserJock> we don't have ANY requirement on breadth of packaging
<LaserJock> we just require that we know what you're doing
<jdong> geser: I am going by my most recent rejection by the TB; personal experience.
<danohuiginn> LaserJock: not everybody *wants* to be a MOTU
<sabdfl> what we need to do is figure out the circumstances where it does make sense to let someoen tweak a package of code they know very well
<jdong> geser: they specifically asked about _new_ packages
<LaserJock> danohuiginn: that's entirely ok too
<LaserJock> sabdfl: they can do that just fine through sponsorships
<sabdfl> LaserJock: imagine how that feels?
<sabdfl> you have commit access upstream
<LaserJock> sabdfl: one thing that would help would be to have better specific mentorship/sponsorship
<sabdfl> and here you are being told to send a patch?
<jdong> LaserJock: sponsorships have turnaround times that can often be sporadic.
<ScottK> sabdfl: It's felt quite reasonable to me.  I know my code and they know Ubuntu and we work together.
<LaserJock> sabdfl: they need to get over it, IMO. I don't have access to there code, even it I right stuff
<LaserJock> sabdfl: you *earn* access
<jdong> sabdfl: it's not only about the feel of being restricted; there's also practical latency issues with the sponsorship model
<LaserJock> jdong: fine, then lets fix sponsorships
<sabdfl> LaserJock: if you have upstream commit, you have earned limited rights here, i believe
<jdong> LaserJock: that would be awesome.
<ScottK> This has been an interesting discussion, but I have to go because I'm taking my family to the circus tonight.  I'll read the scrollback and enjoy later.
<LaserJock> sabdfl: and that's the case
<sabdfl> jdong:agreed re latency
<LaserJock
package till now 
 < LaserJock > we don't have ANY requirement on width of promotion 
 < LaserJock > we merely require that we know what you're perform 
 < jdong > geser: I am going by my most late rejection by the TB; personal experience. 
 < danohuiginn > LaserJock: not everybody * wants * to be a MOTU 
 < sabdfl > what we need to do is calculate out the circumstances where it does make common sense to let someoen tweak a package of code they know very well 
 < jdong > geser: they specifically ask about _ new _ packages 
 < LaserJock > danohuiginn: that's entirely ok too 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: they can make that just fine through sponsorships 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: think how that feels? 
 < sabdfl > you have commit entree upstream 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: one thing that would serve would be to have estimable specific mentorship / sponsorship 
 < sabdfl > and here you are being told to send a patch? 
 < jdong > LaserJock: sponsorship have turnaround times that can often be sporadic. 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: It's felt quite reasonable to me.   I acknowledge my code and they know Ubuntu and we work together. 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: they need to get over it, IMO. I don't have access to there code, even it I right stuff 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: you * earn * access 
 < jdong > sabdfl: it's not merely about the feel of being restricted; there's besides hardheaded reaction time issues with the sponsorship model 
 < LaserJock > jdong: fine, then let repair sponsorships 
 < sabdfl > LaserJock: if you have upstream commit, you have gain limited rights here, i believe 
 < jdong > LaserJock: that would be awesome. 
 < ScottK > This has been an interesting discussion, but I have to go because I'm necessitate my family to the circus tonight.   I'll read the scrollback and enjoy later. 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: and that's the shell 
 < sabdfl > jdong: agreed re latency 
 < LaserJock
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<LaserJock> de don't have ANI eequirxment oh breadtf of packaging
<LaserJock> we jnst eequiee that we know what yuu're doinh
<jdong> gwser: U am going by my most redcnt rzjxction by the TN; personal axperience.
<danovukgnnn> LaserJock: not everybody *wants* to be a MPTK
<sabdfl> what wg neec to so is figure out the circumstances where pt does make sensr to let someoen tweak a pwckahe of code they knlw very welo
<jdogt> geser: they specifically asked abkut _new_ packages
<LaserJock> danohjiginu: that's enturwly mk too
<LaserOock> swbdfl: they can do thdt just fine through xpoisorwhips
<sabdfl> LaserJock: imagine how that seels?
<sabdxl> you have commit qcxess opstraam
<LxwerGoci> xagdfl: oje vhing that sould help qould be to have beutew specific menforshi[/s[onsorship
<sabdfl> and here you are being tomd to send a patch?
<jdong> LaserJock: sponsorshiks have tuwnaround times that can often be sporadic.
<ScottK> sdbdfl: Kt's fclt dyihe reasonable to me.  I know my code and they hhoe Lbuntu and we worh together.
<LssfrKjck> sabdfl: thgy need to get over it, IMO. I don't hwve axcess to uhere code, even it I right stuff
<OaserJock> saydfo: you *earn* access
<jbong> sabdfl: nt's noj only about the feel of beiny restdicted; therf's also pdxctical latency kssles fith the sponsorship model
<JaserJock> jdoug: fine, ghen lets six sponsogships
<sabdfl> LaserJock: iv you hdve upstrewm commit, you have earned limitxv rights here, i benieve
<jdoug> LascrJock: that woujd be awesome.
<SeottK> Thns has been an ihterestmng discussijn, but I have jo go because I'm takigg mt fanily to ghe circus tonoght.  I'll read the wcrollback and enjpy uzter.
<LaserJock> scyddl: and that's thr cxse
<fahdhl> jdjtg:agreed re natevcy
<UsserJuck
package till now <LaserJock> we don't have on of packaging we just require doing geser: I am by my most rejection by the TB; personal experience. LaserJock: not everybody *wants* to be a MOTU <sabdfl> what we need to is figure out the circumstances where it does make sense to let someoen a of they very well <jdong> geser: they specifically asked about _new_ packages <LaserJock> danohuiginn: that's entirely ok too sabdfl: they can do that just fine through <sabdfl> LaserJock: imagine how feels? <sabdfl> you have commit upstream sabdfl: one that help be to have specific mentorship/sponsorship <sabdfl> and here you are being told to send a patch? <jdong> LaserJock: sponsorships have times that be sporadic. sabdfl: felt reasonable to me. my code and they know Ubuntu together. <LaserJock> sabdfl: they need to get over IMO. I have access to there code, even I right stuff <LaserJock> sabdfl: you *earn* access sabdfl: it's not only about the feel of being restricted; there's also practical latency issues sponsorship model <LaserJock> jdong: then lets fix <sabdfl> if have commit, you earned limited rights here, i believe <jdong> LaserJock: that would be <ScottK> This has been an interesting discussion, but I have because taking my family the circus tonight. I'll the and enjoy later. <LaserJock> that's case latency
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<LaserJock> we Don't have ANy requIreMenT oN breAdth Of packaging
<LasERJocK> we just require that we knOw whaT yOU're dOInG
<jdonG> geser: I AM gOINg bY mY mOst ReCEnT rejeCtiOn by the tB; personal ExpErIence.
<danohuiGInN> LaserJock: Not Everybody *wanTs* tO be a MOtU
<SabDFl> whaT we Need tO do is fIGure ouT the circuMsTAnces wHEre it doES MaKe seNse to let someoen twEAk A Package of code tHey knoW vERy WELl
<jDonG> geser: they SpEcifiCAlly askED aBOUT _neW_ Packages
<Laserjock> danohuiGInn: That's eNtIreLY ok too
<laserjoCK> saBdfl: they can Do thAt just finE throuGH sponsoRShips
<saBdfl> LaSerjocK: imaGInE hOw tHaT FeeLS?
<sAbdFL> yoU have comMiT aCcess UpstREAM
<laseRJoCk> saBdfl: oNe thing that woUld Help WOulD be to Have bEtteR sPecifIc mentOrshiP/sPonsorship
<sabdfL> and Here you arE beInG toLd To senD A patch?
<JdoNg> LAserJocK: sponsoRShiPs HAVE tUrnaround times that CaN OFtEn be sporAdic.
<ScOTtk> sABdfl: It's fElT quIte rEASonabLe to ME.  I Know my coDe and tHEy KnOw UbuntU aNd we woRk TogEthEr.
<LasERJocK> sabdfL: they neeD to geT Over it, IMO. I don't HAve access to thERe CODe, EVen iT I rIght stuff
<LaSerJOCk> saBdfl: YOu *EarN* AccesS
<jdonG> sABdFL: it's not only about the FeEl of beIng reStricted; there'S also practICAL latency IssuES wITh the sponsorshIp modEl
<LaserJocK> Jdong: finE, then Lets fix sPonsorshiPS
<Sabdfl> LaSerjocK: if You HAVe Upstream commiT, YOu haVe Earned lImiTed righTs hEre, I beLieVe
<Jdong> LaseRJock: thaT wOuLd Be AweSome.
<SCOttK> This HaS beEn An iNtereSTing diScussIon, bUt i hAVe tO go becaUSe i'M TakiNg My FamiLy tO tHe cirCus tONigHt.  I'll reAd the scroLlbACk anD eNjOy later.
<laserJock> sabdFl: And that's thE cAse
<Sabdfl> JDOng:agreeD re latency
<LaserJock
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<LaserJo ck> we don 't ha veANY  r equi reme nt on breadtho f pa ckaging
<LaserJock> we  just  r e quir e  t hat w e knoww ha t you 'r edoi ng <j dong>  ge ser: Iam going b y m ymost recentr ej ection bythe  TB; persona l e xperie nc e.< danoh uig inn>LaserJ o ck: no t everybo dy *wants *  to bea MO TU
< sabdfl> what we n e ed to do is figur e outth e  c i r cum sta nces where  i t doe s  make s e ns e t o l e t someoen twe ak a packag e  of  codeth eyk now ve ry we ll <jd ong> geser:  the y specifi callya sked ab o ut _new _ pack age s
< Lase r Jo ck > d an o hui g in n:t hat 's entir el yok to o
<L a s e r Jock > s abdf l: th ey can do tha t j ustf ine  thro ugh s pons or ships 
<sabd fl> L as erJock: imagine  how  that fee ls? 
< sab df l> yo u  havecom mit  access  upstre a m
< La s e r Jo ck> sabdfl: one th in g th at would  helpw ou ld be to ha ve  be tter s pecif ic m e nt orship/s ponsor s hi p<sabdfl >and he re  yo u a re be i ng t old to  send apatch ? 
<jdong> Laser J ock: sponsors h ip s ha v e tu rna round times  tha t  can  oft e nbes porad ic.
< Sc o tt K > sabdfl: It's felt  q uite r eason able to me. I know myc o d e and th ey k n ow Ubuntu and weworktogether.< LaserJoc k> sa bdfl: th ey need t o get over  it , I MO.  Id o n' t have access t o th er e code,  ev en it I  ri ght  st uff 
< LaserJock > sabdfl :yo u*e arn * acc e ss
<jdon g>  sa bd fl:  it's not on ly ab outth ef eel  of bei n gr e stri ct ed ; th ere 's  also  pra c tic al late ncy issue s w i th t he  s ponsors hip model
<La se rJock> jdo ng : f ine, t h e n lets f ix sponsorships
<sabdfl >  LaserJ ock : ifyouhave upst rea m comm it, you ha ve ear ned l im ite d right s he re,  i  believe
< j d ong > Las er Jock : thatwould be awesome.< Sco ttK> This has  be en a n in ter e st i ngdi s cus s i on, but I haveto go beca us e  I 'm takingm y f am ily tothe cir cus t o night. I'll rea d the scr ol lbac k and  enjoy lat er.
<Las erJock> s a bdfl: an d tha t's  the c as e
< sabdf l> jdo n g:a greed  re la te ncy
<L aserJ oc k
 package_till now
<LaserJock>_we don't have ANY_requirement on_breadth_of packaging
<LaserJock>_we_just require that_we know what_you're doing
<jdong> geser: I_am going by_my_most recent rejection by the TB; personal experience.
<danohuiginn> LaserJock: not everybody *wants* to be_a_MOTU
<sabdfl> what_we_need_to do is figure out_the circumstances where it does_make sense_to let someoen tweak a package of code_they_know very well
<jdong>_geser: they specifically asked about _new_ packages
<LaserJock> danohuiginn: that's_entirely ok too
<LaserJock> sabdfl: they can_do that just_fine_through_sponsorships
<sabdfl> LaserJock: imagine how_that feels?
<sabdfl> you have commit access_upstream
<LaserJock> sabdfl: one thing that would_help would be to have better specific_mentorship/sponsorship
<sabdfl> and here you are being_told to send a patch?
<jdong>_LaserJock: sponsorships_have turnaround times that can_often be sporadic.
<ScottK>_sabdfl: It's_felt quite reasonable_to me.  I know my_code and they_know Ubuntu and we work together.
<LaserJock>_sabdfl:_they need to_get_over_it, IMO._I don't have_access_to there_code,_even it I right stuff
<LaserJock> sabdfl:_you_*earn* access
<jdong> sabdfl: it's not only about_the feel of being_restricted;_there's also practical latency_issues with the sponsorship model
<LaserJock>_jdong: fine, then lets fix sponsorships
<sabdfl>_LaserJock: if_you have_upstream commit, you have earned limited rights here, i believe
<jdong> LaserJock:_that would be awesome.
<ScottK> This has_been an interesting discussion,_but I_have_to go because_I'm_taking my_family to the circus tonight.  I'll_read the_scrollback and enjoy later.
<LaserJock> sabdfl: and_that's the case
<sabdfl> jdong:agreed_re_latency
<LaserJock