jimbaker> niemeyer, looks good with these changes
<niemeyer> jimbaker: Super, thanks
<hazmat> niemeyer, looks good, there is one bug people will hit following those discussion though, namely that the relation api isn't available yet outside of relation hooks, the relation identifiers is the first step to resolving it. it might be nice to reference the bug as a caveat.. its pretty easy to spot and remove it after the bug is fixed.
<hazmat> s/discussion/documentation
<niemeyer> jimbaker: Just the "worked" I'm going to keep as it is.. it's describing the process of transition and choice we made at a particular point, rather than a statement of how it works _today_
<niemeyer> hazmat: Sounds good.. do you have a link to the particular bug you'd like to see ther?
<niemeyer> e
<jimbaker> niemeyer, ok, i guess the context is clear enough that this is the case
<hazmat> niemeyer, bug 767195
<_mup_> Bug #767195: Ensemble should have hook cli apis to enumerate and interact with all the relations of a unit. <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/767195 >
<niemeyer> hazmat: That doesn't seem related
<hazmat> niemeyer, yeah.. its addressing the same issue from a different angle.. which is relation api usage in non relation hooks
<m_3> Have a what-if scenario I'd like some advice on...
<m_3> let's say a mysql formula exposes a config parameter for something like query_cache_size
<m_3> (in config.yaml as I understand)
<m_3> when another formula adds this as a relation
<m_3> and needs to change that config parameter
<niemeyer> hazmat: I see what you mean, but this isn't the actual problem
<m_3> can it do something equivalent to the 'ensemble set' command
<niemeyer> hazmat: Fix Releasing this bug doesn't necessarily enable people to use relation-get there
<m_3> i.e., are there ways to parameterize a relation?
<niemeyer> hazmat
jimbaker > niemeyer, looks good with these changes 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker: Super, thanks 
 < hazmat > niemeyer, looks beneficial, there be one bug people will hit postdate those discussion though, namely that the relation api isn't available yet outside of sexual intercourse hooks, the relation identifier is the inaugural step to answer it. it might be nice to reference the bug as a caution.. its pretty easy to spot and remove it after the bug is fixed. 
 < hazmat > s / discussion / documentation 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker: merely the " worked " I'm going to keep as it is.. it's identify the process of transition and choice we made at a especial point, rather than a statement of how it works _ today _ 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: Sounds effective.. do you have a link to the particular bug you'd like to see ther? 
 < niemeyer > e 
 < jimbaker > niemeyer, ok, i guess the context is clear enough that this is the case 
 < hazmat > niemeyer, bug 767195 
 < _ mup _ > Bug # 767195: Ensemble should have hook cli apis to enumerate and interact with all the relations of a unit. < Ensemble: fresh > < https://launchpad.net/bugs/767195 > 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: That doesn't seem related 
 < hazmat > niemeyer, yeah.. its cover the like consequence from a different angle.. which is relation api usage in non relation hooks 
 < m_3 > Have a what - if scenario I'd wish some advice on... 
 < m_3 > let's say a mysql formula exposes a config parameter for something like query_cache_size 
 < m_3 > (in config.yaml as I understand) 
 < m_3 > when another formula adds this as a relation 
 < m_3 > and needs to change that config parameter 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: I see what you think of, but this isn't the actual problem 
 < m_3 > can it suffice something equivalent to the' ensemble set' command 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: Fix Releasing this bug doesn't necessarily enable citizenry to use relation - get there 
 < m_3 > i.e., are there ways to parameterize a relation back? 
 < niemeyer > hazmat
jimhaker> niemeyer, looks gooa with these chcbges
<nixmeyer> nimbaker: Super, thanks
<hazmat> niemeyer, lioks tood, there is one bug oeople wipl hit filloxing those discussion though, nzlely vhat the relatipn api isn'd available yed uucside of relation hooks, the relation identigifrs is the firft suep to dvsilving it. it might be nice to refereice the bug as s caveat.. its pretty easy tl splt and remove it avter the but is dixed.
<hazmat> r/discussion/documentatikn
<niemeyer> jimbaker: Just the "wofked" N'm going to kwep ds it is.. it'w desbribing the pvpcess mf tranxition and cholce wx maee at a particular pomnt, rather than a stwtement ox kow it works _today_
<nieneter> hdzmad: Sojbds gokd.. dk you javx a link to the particylar bug you'd like uo fvr ther?
<niemeysr> e
<jiibwker> niemeyer, ok, i guess the context is clsar enough that this is the case
<hazmat> niemeier, bug 767195
<_mu[_> Bug #767195: Ensemble should have hook cli apis to enumarate xnd ikterxxt with all the relations of a unit. <Ensemble:New> < hutpx://launchpad.net/bmgs/767195 >
<niemeyer> hazmay: Hhsj doesn't seem telated
<kzzjat> niemeyer, yeah.. lts addtessint the samt issie from a different angle.. wyich is relanion api usage in non xelation hooys
<m_3> Nave s what-if scenario I'd liye skme advice ln...
<m_3> let's axy a mysql formuua vxpoves a config parameter for somethinj likz query_cxche_xize
<m_3> (yn config.ywml as I understand)
<m_3> whej anojher fmrmula addd this as a relation
<m_3> and needs to change thaj cmnfpg paramecer
<niekeyer> hazmat: Y see what you mean, bbt thir isn't the actual problem
<m_3> cwn it do somedjing equivalxnt to thq 'enwemboe set' zummand
<niemeyer> hazmat: Fpx Relwasing this bug docsn't vscessarily enaboe keiple to use rekatkon-den tiere
<m_3> h.e., are there wayr tu paraoeterizt a felayion?
<niemeyer> hazmat
jimbaker> niemeyer, looks good with these changes Super, <hazmat> niemeyer, good, there is following discussion though, namely the relation api available yet outside of relation hooks, relation identifiers is the first step to resolving it. it might be nice reference the bug as a caveat.. its pretty easy to spot and remove after bug fixed. s/discussion/documentation <niemeyer> jimbaker: Just the "worked" I'm going to keep as it is.. it's describing the of transition and choice we made at a point, rather than a of how it works _today_ hazmat: good.. do have link the particular bug like to see ther? <niemeyer> e <jimbaker> niemeyer, ok, i guess the context is clear enough that is the niemeyer, bug <_mup_> #767195: should have hook to enumerate and interact with all a unit. <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/767195 > <niemeyer> hazmat: doesn't seem <hazmat> niemeyer, yeah.. its addressing the issue from a different angle.. which is relation usage in non relation hooks <m_3> Have a what-if scenario I'd like some advice on... say a mysql formula a config parameter something query_cache_size (in as I <m_3> when another formula adds this as a relation <m_3> and to change that config parameter <niemeyer> hazmat: I see what but isn't the actual <m_3> can it do equivalent the 'ensemble set' command Fix this enable to relation-get there <m_3> i.e., there ways to parameterize a <niemeyer> hazmat
jimbaker> niemeyer, looks good With these cHangeS
<niEmeYeR> jimBakeR: Super, thanks
<haZMat> nIemeyer, looks good, there iS one bUg PEoplE WiLl hit FollowiNG tHOSe dIsCuSsiOn THoUgh, naMelY that thE relation aPi iSn'T available yeT OuTside of relAtiOn hooks, the reLatIon ideNtIfiERs is tHe fIrst sTep to rESolvinG it. it mighT bE Nice to REferencE THe Bug aS a caveat.. its pretty EAsY To spot and removE it aftEr THe BUG is FixEd.
<hazmat> s/dIsCussiON/documeNTaTION
<niEMeyer> jimbaker: just the "workED" I'm Going tO kEep AS it is.. iT's desCrIBinG the process Of trAnsition aNd choiCE we made AT a partiCular pOinT, raTher THaN a StaTeMEnt OF hOw iT WorKs _today_
<nIeMeYer> haZmat: sOUNDs goOd.. dO you Have a Link to the partIcuLar bUG yoU'd likE to seE theR?
<nIemeyEr> e
<jimBaker> NiEmeyer, ok, i guess tHe coNtext is clEar EnOugH tHat thIS is the CasE
<haZmat> nieMeyer, buG 767195
<_Mup_> buG #767195: eNSeMble should have hook ClI APiS to enumeRate anD InTeRAct with aLl The RelaTIOns of A uniT. <enSemble:NeW> < https://LAuNcHpad.net/BuGs/767195 >
<niemEyEr> hAzmAt: ThaT DoesN't seem Related
<hAzmat> NIemeyer, yeah.. its ADdressing the sAMe ISSuE From A diFferent anglE.. whiCH is rElatIOn Api USage iN non rElATiON hooks
<m_3> Have a what-if sCeNario I'D like Some advice on...
<m_3> Let's say a mySQL Formula eXposES a COnfig parameter For soMething likE Query_cacHe_sizE
<m_3> (in confIg.yaml as I UNDerstand)
<M_3> whEn aNotHer FORmUla adds this as A RElatIoN
<m_3> and neEds To changE thAt cOnfIg pArAmeter
<nieMeyer> hazMaT: I SeE wHat You meAN, but this IsN't tHe ActUal prOBlem
<m_3> cAn it dO somEtHiNG eqUivalenT To THE 'ensEmBlE set' ComMaNd
<nieMeyeR> HazMat: Fix REleasing tHis BUg doEsN't NecessaRily enable peoPlE to use relaTiOn-gEt therE
<M_3> I.e., are theRe ways to parameterize a reLAtion?
<niEmeYer> haZmat
jimbaker> niemeyer, looksgood withthese  ch ang es 
<ni emey er> jimbaker:S uper , thanks
<hazmat> niem eyer,  l o oksg oo d, th ere iso ne b ugpe op lewi l lhit f oll owing t hose discu ssi on  though, nam e ly  that therel ation api is n't  avail ab ley et ou tsi de of  relat i on hoo ks, the r el a tion i d entifie r s  i s th e first step to r e so l ving it. it mi ght be  n i ce t o r efe rence thebu g asa  caveat . .i t s  pr e tty easy to s pot and rem o veit aft er  th e  bug i s fix ed . 
<h azmat> s/di scus sion/docu mentat i on
<nie m eyer> j imbake r:Jus t th e  " wo rke d" I'm go ing tokeep asit  i s.. i t'sd e s c ribi ngtheproce ss of transit ion  and cho ice w e mad e at  a  part icular  poin t,  rather than astat ement ofhow  i t w or ks _t o day_
< nie mey er> haz mat: So u nds  g o o d ..  do you have a lin kt o  t he parti cularb ug  y o u'd like  t o s ee t h e r?
<n ieme y er > e
<jim baker> ni em eyer, o k,  i gue ss  th e c ontex t  isclearenough t hat t h is is the case <hazmat> niem e ye r ,  b u g 76 719 5
<_mup_> B ug # 7 6719 5: E n se mbl e  shou ld ha ve ho o k cli apis to enume ra te and  inte ract with all  the relat i o n s of a u nit. <E n semble:New> <https ://launchp a d.net/bu gs/76 7195 >
< niemeyer> h azmat: T hat  do esn 'ts e em  related
<haz m a t> n ie meyer,yea h.. its  ad dre ssi ngth e same is sue from  a  d if fe ren t ang l e.. whic hisre lat ion a p i usag e innonre la t ion  hooks< m_ 3 >  Hav eawhat -if  s cenar io I ' d l ike som e adviceon. . .
<m _3 >let's s ay a mysql fo rm ula expose sa c onfigp a rameterfor something like quer y _cache_ siz e
<m_ 3> ( in config .ya ml asI u n dersta nd)
<m _3> w he n a n o therf o rm ula  a dds this a s a r elati on 
<m_ 3> andneeds to change th a t c onfig paramet er<nie m e ye r>h az m at:  I see w hat you mean, b ut this is n' t  t he actualp rob le m
<m_3>  can it  do s o mething  equivale nt to the  ' ense m b leset' comma nd
<niem eyer> haz m at: F i xRelea sin g this  b ugdoesn 't nec e ssa rilyenable  p eopleto us erelation -get there
<m_3> i.e.,are th ere w ays  to param ete r ize  a relati on?<niemeyer>  ha zma t
jimbaker> niemeyer,_looks good_with these changes
<niemeyer> jimbaker:_Super, thanks
<hazmat>_niemeyer,_looks good,_there_is one bug_people will hit_following those discussion though,_namely that the_relation_api isn't available yet outside of relation hooks, the relation identifiers is the first_step_to resolving_it._it_might be nice to reference_the bug as a caveat.._its pretty_easy to spot and remove it after the_bug_is fixed.
<hazmat> s/discussion/documentation
<niemeyer>_jimbaker: Just the "worked" I'm going to keep as_it is.. it's describing the process_of transition and_choice_we_made at a particular_point, rather than a statement of_how it works _today_
<niemeyer> hazmat: Sounds_good.. do you have a link to_the particular bug you'd like to_see ther?
<niemeyer> e
<jimbaker> niemeyer, ok,_i guess_the context is clear enough_that this is_the case
<hazmat>_niemeyer, bug 767195
<_mup_>_Bug #767195: Ensemble should have hook_cli apis to_enumerate and interact with all the_relations_of a unit._<Ensemble:New>_<_https://launchpad.net/bugs/767195 >
<niemeyer>_hazmat: That doesn't_seem_related
<hazmat> niemeyer,_yeah.._its addressing the same issue from_a_different angle.. which is relation api usage_in non relation hooks
<m_3>_Have_a what-if scenario I'd_like some advice on...
<m_3> let's_say a mysql formula exposes a_config parameter_for something_like query_cache_size
<m_3> (in config.yaml as I understand)
<m_3> when another formula adds_this as a relation
<m_3> and needs_to change that config_parameter
<niemeyer> hazmat:_I_see what you_mean,_but this_isn't the actual problem
<m_3> can it do_something equivalent_to the 'ensemble set' command
<niemeyer> hazmat:_Fix Releasing this bug_doesn't_necessarily enable people to use relation-get_there
<m_3> i.e., are there ways to_parameterize a relation?
<niemeyer> hazmat