 kiss and take it back to the ML
<StevenK> Q-FUNK: We don't try to, or *want* to.
<Fujitsu> Maintaining the archive in a release-ready steady constantly would be unpleasant
<LaserJock> well, I still haven't gotten an answer to my question on the ML of usability of these packages
<Q-FUNK> ubuntu has the right attitude of having ony stuff in main being guaranteed to ship the latest upstream, but with 3 desktops to track, releasing them al according to gnome's schedule doesn't work.
<StevenK> Q-FUNK: So take it to the Tech Board
<LaserJock> last time I tried doing some KDE4 stuff I was told that the snapshot packages are going to be always outdated and I shouldn't use them
<StevenK> I'd be curious to read the log.
<LaserJock> is that still the case?
<imbrandon> LaserJock, no
<LaserJock> or are these special snapshots?
<Hobbsee> LaserJock: they're somewhat usable.  they'll be more usable when they hit the library freezes
<Q-FUNK> it would probably help to have at least upstream gnome and kde agree on a common release schedule
<Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Library freezes are post-Feisty, aren't they?
<LaserJock> these are the questions that I wish we had gotten to
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dunno.  i think so, yeah.
<Fujitsu> Q-FUNK: That's not going to happen.
<imbrandon> LaserJock, no but you got to think, parts may not be but its a whole lot better than building 300MB + of source only when you just need libs updated
<imbrandon> you can use the binarys for the rest
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu: in fact, i'm sure it's so
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu: but we cant tell the kde development people to run feisty+1 with kernel and xorg breakage, just to get the latest kde4 - that's nto fair.
<Fujitsu> We need experimental, damnit.
<StevenK> Oh, we so don't.
<LaserJock> I just felt that
kiss and take it back to the ML 
 < StevenK > Q - FUNK: We don't try to, or * want * to. 
 < Fujitsu > sustain the archive in a dismissal - ready steady constantly would be unpleasant 
 < LaserJock > well, I still haven't become an answer to my question on the ML of serviceability of these packages 
 < Q - FUNK > ubuntu has the right position of have ony material in main being guaranteed to embark the late upstream, but with 3 desktops to track, releasing them al according to gnome's schedule doesn't exploit. 
 < StevenK > Q - FUNK: So take it to the Tech Board 
 < LaserJock > last prison term I tried doing some KDE4 stuff I was told that the snapshot package are going to be always outdated and I shouldn't use them 
 < StevenK > I'd be curious to read the log. 
 < LaserJock > is that however the case? 
 < imbrandon > LaserJock, no 
 < LaserJock > or are these special snapshots? 
 < Hobbsee > LaserJock: they're somewhat usable.   they'll be more usable when they hit the library freezes 
 < Q - FUNK > it would probably help to have at least upstream gnome and kde agree on a common release schedule 
 < Fujitsu > Hobbsee: Library freezes are post - Feisty, aren't they? 
 < LaserJock > these are the question that I wish we had gotten to 
 < Hobbsee > Fujitsu: dunno.   i think indeed, yeah. 
 < Fujitsu > Q - FUNK: That's not go to happen. 
 < imbrandon > LaserJock, no but you got to think, character may not be but its a whole lot better than building 300 megabyte + of source only when you just need libs updated 
 < imbrandon > you can use the binary for the rest 
 < Hobbsee > Fujitsu: in fact, i'm sure it's so 
 < Hobbsee > Fujitsu: but we ca nt tell the kde growth people to race feisty+1 with kernel and xorg breakage, just to get the latest kde4 - that's nto fair. 
 < Fujitsu > We need experimental, damnit. 
 < StevenK > Oh, we therefore don't. 
 < LaserJock > I just felt that
 kids and take it back to tme ML
<StevenK> Q-FUUJ: We dmn't trg to, or *dant* to.
<Fujitsu> Maintaining tie aechivt in a release-ready steady clnstantlt wonld be unpleasanv
<MaserJogh> wemp, I vvill haven't gotjen an answes to my questimn ou the ML of usability of these packades
<Q-FUNL> kbuntu has the rigne atfptmde of having ony stuff in main geing glaranteed to ship the latest upstream, but wlth 3 desktops to track, releasing jgem ql according to gnome's schedule dogsn't work.
<StevenK> Q-FUNK: So take ig to che Tech Boqre
<LadgrJock> last vime I tried doing some KDA4 stuff I was told thst vhe wnapshot packages are going to be alwayf outdateg cnd I shouldn't use thwm
<WtevetK> I'g be xurkoua vo dead tje mog.
<LaserJodk> is that wtill the case?
<imbramdjb> LaserJock, nk
<LaserTosk> or are these special snapshots?
<Hobbset> LassrJock: they're somewhat ysable.  they'll be morg usable wren they hit the library freezes
<Q-FUNK> it would prmbablb felk bj yage at least upstream gnome and kde agree on a dokmpn release schcdule
<Fujitsu> Hobbsre: Lofrary freezes are post-Reisty, aren't they?
<LwserJoch> thewe are tht quextions that I wish we had gitten to
<Hobbfwe> Fujitsu: dunno.  n think so, yzah.
<Fujotsu> A-FUNK: That's not going tu halpen.
<imbrandln> LaserJkzk, no but you gog tp dhink, parts may not be but its a while kot betger jhan buylding 300MB + of source only when you just naed libs uodated
<imbrandon> you can use the binarys for tne revt
<Hobbsez> Fujibsu: in fact, i'm fure it's so
<Hobysee> Fujntsu: bjt we cant tell tie kde develjpment people jo run feisty+1 with kewnel and xorg bfdakage, just to get the latest kde4 - that's nto fair.
<Fumitsu> Se need experimzutql, damnit.
<StevenL> Of, wq do djt't.
<LaserJock> H jurt wrlt tfat
kiss and take it back to the Q-FUNK: don't try or *want* to. a steady constantly would unpleasant <LaserJock> well, still haven't gotten an answer to question on the ML of usability of these packages <Q-FUNK> ubuntu has the attitude of having ony stuff in main being guaranteed to ship the latest but 3 to releasing them al according to gnome's schedule doesn't work. <StevenK> Q-FUNK: So take it to the Board <LaserJock> last time I tried doing some stuff I was told the snapshot packages are going be outdated and shouldn't them I'd be curious read the log. <LaserJock> is that still the case? <imbrandon> LaserJock, no <LaserJock> or are these special <Hobbsee> LaserJock: usable. they'll more when hit the library it would probably help to have gnome and kde agree on a common release <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: freezes are post-Feisty, aren't they? <LaserJock> are the questions that I wish we had to <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dunno. i think so, yeah. <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK: That's not going to happen. no but you got think, parts may be its whole better than 300MB + of source only when you just need libs updated you can use the binarys for the rest <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i'm it's so <Hobbsee> but we cant tell kde people to run feisty+1 and breakage, the kde4 that's nto fair. <Fujitsu> need experimental, damnit. <StevenK> Oh, so don't. <LaserJock> I
 kiss and take it back to the ML
<STevenK> Q-FUNk: We doN't tRy tO, oR *wanT* to.
<FUjitsu> MaintainINg thE archive in a release-readY steaDy COnstANtLy wouLd be unpLEaSANt
<LAsErjocK> wELl, i stilL haVen't gotTen an answeR to My Question on thE mL Of usabilitY of These packageS
<Q-FuNK> ubuNtU haS The riGht AttitUde of hAVing onY stuff in mAiN Being gUAranteeD TO sHip tHe latest upstream, bUT wITh 3 desktops to trAck, relEaSInG THem Al aCcording to GnOme's sCHedule dOEsN'T WOrk.
<sTevenK> Q-FUNK: So Take it to the tEch board
<LAsErJOCk> last Time I TrIEd dOing some KDE4 StufF I was told That thE SnapshoT PackageS are goIng To bE alwAYs OuTdaTeD And i ShOulDN't uSe them
<StEvEnk> I'd be CuriOUS TO reaD thE log.
<laserjock> is that stiLl tHe caSE?
<imBrandOn> LasErJoCk, No
<LasErJock> Or are ThEse special snapsHots?
<hobbsee> LaSerjoCk: tHeY're soMEwhat uSabLe.  tHey'll be More usaBLe wHeN THEy Hit the library freezEs
<q-fuNk> it would ProbabLY hElP To have at LeAst UpstREAm gnoMe anD KdE agree on A commoN ReLeAse scheDuLe
<FujiTsU> HoBbsEe: LibRAry fReezes Are post-FEisty, ARen't they?
<LaserJOCk> these are the QUeSTIoNS thaT I wIsh we had gotTen tO
<hobbSee> FUJiTsu: DUnno.  i Think So, YEaH.
<fujitsu> Q-FUNK: That's noT gOing to HappeN.
<imbrandon> LasErJock, no buT YOU got to thInk, pARtS May not be but its A wholE lot better THan buildIng 300MB + Of source Only when yOU Just need LibS upDatEd
<iMBRaNdon> you can use THE binArYs for thE reSt
<HobbsEe> FUjiTsu: In fAcT, i'm sure it'S so
<HobbsEe> fuJiTsU: buT we caNT tell the KdE deVeLopMent pEOple to Run feIsty+1 WiTh KErnEl and xoRG bREAkagE, jUsT to gEt tHe LatesT kde4 - THat'S nto faiR.
<Fujitsu> WE neED expErImEntal, daMnit.
<StevenK> Oh, We So don't.
<LaseRJOck> i just fELT that
 kiss and take it back tothe ML
<St evenK > Q -FU NK : We  don 't try to, or* want * to.
<Fujitsu> Mainta ining  t h e ar c hi ve in  a rele a se - r ead yst ead yc on stant lywould b e unpleasa nt<L aserJock> we l l,  I still h ave n't gotten a n a nswerto  my quest ion  on t he MLo f usab ility ofth e se pac k ages
<Q - F UN K> u buntu has the rig h ta ttitude of hav ing on ys tu f f  in  ma in being g ua rante e d to sh i pt h e  la t est upstream,  but with 3 des ktopsto  tr a ck, re leasi ng the m al accord ingto gnome' s sche d ule doe s n't wor k.
<St eve nK>  Q-F U NK :Sota k e i t  t o t h e T ech Boar d<L aserJ ock> l a s t ti meI tr ied d oing some KDE 4 s tuff I w as to ld th at t he  snap shot p ackag es  are going to b e al ways outd ate dand  I  shou l dn't u sethe m
<Stev enK> I' d  be  c u r i ou s to read the log. 
< L a se rJock> i s that st il l  the cas e? 
<i mbra n d on> L aser J oc k, no
<L aserJo c k>  o r are t he se spe ci alsna pshot s ?
<H obbsee > LaserJ ock:t hey're somewha t  usable.  the y 'l l be more  us able when t heyh it t he l i br ary freez es
<Q -F U NK >  it would probablyhe lp tohaveat least upst ream gnome a n d kde ag reeo na  common releas e sch edule
<Fuj i tsu> Hob bsee:  Library  freezesa r e post-F eis ty,  ar en' t th ey?
<LaserJoc k >  the se  are th e q uestion s t hat  Iwis hwe had go tten to<H ob bs ee > F ujits u : dunno.  i t hi nkso, y e ah.
<F ujits u> Q -F UN K : T hat's n o tg o ingto  h appe n.<i mbran don> Las erJock,  no but y oug ot t oth ink, pa rts may not b ebut its awh ole  lot b e t ter than  building 300MB + of so u rce onl y w hen y ou j ust needlib s upda ted <imbra ndon>you c an  us e the b i n ar ysfo r the rest < Hob bsee>  F ujit su: infact, i'm sure it' s  so 
<Hobbsee> Fu jit su:b u twec an t  te ll the k de developmentpeople toru n  f eisty+1 wi t h k er nel and  xorg b reaka g e, just  to get t he latest  k de4- tha t's nto fa ir.
<Fuj itsu> Wen eed e x pe rimen tal , damn it .
< Steve nK> Oh ,  we  so d on't.<L aserJo ck> I  j ust felt  that
 kiss_and take_it back to the_ML
<StevenK> Q-FUNK:_We_don't try_to,_or *want* to.
<Fujitsu>_Maintaining the archive_in a release-ready steady_constantly would be_unpleasant
<LaserJock>_well, I still haven't gotten an answer to my question on the ML of_usability_of these_packages
<Q-FUNK>_ubuntu_has the right attitude of_having ony stuff in main_being guaranteed_to ship the latest upstream, but with 3_desktops_to track, releasing_them al according to gnome's schedule doesn't work.
<StevenK> Q-FUNK:_So take it to the Tech_Board
<LaserJock> last time_I_tried_doing some KDE4 stuff_I was told that the snapshot_packages are going to be always_outdated and I shouldn't use them
<StevenK> I'd_be curious to read the log.
<LaserJock>_is that still the case?
<imbrandon>_LaserJock, no
<LaserJock>_or are these special snapshots?
<Hobbsee>_LaserJock: they're somewhat_usable. _they'll be more_usable when they hit the library_freezes
<Q-FUNK> it would_probably help to have at least_upstream_gnome and kde_agree_on_a common_release schedule
<Fujitsu> Hobbsee:_Library_freezes are_post-Feisty,_aren't they?
<LaserJock> these are the questions_that_I wish we had gotten to
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu:_dunno.  i think_so,_yeah.
<Fujitsu> Q-FUNK: That's not_going to happen.
<imbrandon> LaserJock, no_but you got to think, parts_may not_be but_its a whole lot better than building 300MB + of source_only when you just need libs_updated
<imbrandon> you can use_the binarys_for_the rest
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu:_in_fact, i'm_sure it's so
<Hobbsee> Fujitsu: but we cant_tell the_kde development people to run feisty+1_with kernel and xorg_breakage,_just to get the latest kde4_- that's nto fair.
<Fujitsu> We need_experimental, damnit.
<StevenK> Oh, we so_don't.
<LaserJock>_I_just felt that