<AnAnt> ubottu: ;)
<soren> AnAnt: Why does the time at which they're loaded matter?
<AnAnt> soren: well, there's what he said in README.Debian http://pastebin.com/m5ee2d615
<soren> AnAnt: Sounds like something that should really be fixed in the kernel.
<soren> AnAnt: Failing that, could sl-modem's init script perhaps try rmmod/modprobing the modules? That saves us from having to blacklist stuff.
<AnAnt> soren: ok, will try that
<AnAnt> ok, another question, I want to create devices for slamr & slusb in postinst, but lintian says I should use MAKEDEV instead of mknod
<AnAnt> when I run MAKEDEV slamr, it says that it doesn't know how to create devices for slamr
<AnAnt> should I first modprobe slamr before attempting MAKEDEV?
<AnAnt> or what?
<geser> AnAnt: you probably need to get MAKEDEV patched for it
<geser> do you need "static" devices? isn't udev created devices enough?
<AnAnt> geser: you suggest that I add udev rules to create those devices?
<savvas> the manuals and documentation should be in Recommends or Suggests?
<geser> AnAnt: yes
<AnAnt> geser: dunno how to do this
<geser> AnAnt: look at the existing rules.d files
<AnAnt> geser: like this => KERNEL=="slamr", NAME="%k", GROUP="dialout", MODE="0660"?
<geser> AnAnt: I've to look up the syntax myself, but yes, something like that
<AnAnt> so, KERNEL= is for loaded module name?
<soren> AnAnt: No, it's for the name the kernel assigns the device.
<AnAnt> so, I should use DRIVERS= instead?
<soren> Umm.. Why?
<slytherin> hi, anyone having trouble with pull-debian-source in jaunty latest? It asks me to install devscripts
< AnAnt > ubottu: ;) 
 < soren > AnAnt: Why does the time at which they're loaded matter? 
 < AnAnt > soren: well, there's what he said in README.Debian http://pastebin.com/m5ee2d615 
 < soren > AnAnt: sound like something that should in truth be fixed in the kernel. 
 < soren > AnAnt: Failing that, could sl - modem's init script possibly try rmmod / modprobing the modules? That saves us from have to blacklist stuff. 
 < AnAnt > soren: ok, will try that 
 < AnAnt > ok, another question, I want to create device for slamr & slusb in postinst, but lintian says I should use MAKEDEV rather of mknod 
 < AnAnt > when I tend MAKEDEV slamr, it says that it doesn't know how to create devices for slamr 
 < AnAnt > should I first modprobe slamr before try MAKEDEV? 
 < AnAnt > or what? 
 < geser > AnAnt: you probably need to get MAKEDEV piece for it 
 < geser > do you need " static " devices? isn't udev created device enough? 
 < AnAnt > geser: you suggest that I add udev rules to create those devices? 
 < savvas > the manual and documentation should be in Recommends or Suggests? 
 < geser > AnAnt: yes 
 < AnAnt > geser: dunno how to do this 
 < geser > AnAnt: look at the existing rules.d files 
 < AnAnt > geser: like this = > KERNEL=="slamr ", NAME="%k ", GROUP="dialout ", MODE="0660 "? 
 < geser > AnAnt: I've to look up the syntax myself, but yes, something like that 
 < AnAnt > so, KERNEL= is for loaded module name? 
 < soren > AnAnt: No, it's for the name the kernel assigns the device. 
 < AnAnt > so, I should use DRIVERS= instead? 
 < soren > Umm.. Why? 
 < slytherin > hi, anyone having trouble with pull - debian - source in jaunty up-to-the-minute? It asks me to install devscripts
<AnAjt> ubottu: ;)
<soren> AnAnt: Whn does the time cr whici they'rs loaded matter?
<AnAnt> soren: well, therx's wyat ht said in README.Debkan http://pwstebin.cim/m5et2d615
<soren> AnAnt: Souiss like sometglng tkav should really be fixed hn the kernel.
<smrdn> AnAnt: Failing that, could sl-modem's ynit sctiot perhaps try rmmpq/modlgoning the modules? That saves us fdom havpng to blacklist xtuff.
<AnAnt> soren: ok, will tgy tjat
<AnAnt> ok, anotheg question, U wagr to create aevices fog slamr & slosb in postinst, but lintian says I shpuld use MQKWDEG instead of mknoq
<AnAnt> when L run MDKEDEV xlamr, it says bhat mt diesn't know how to creete devices for slamt
<AnAnt> shoglb I first modprobe slqme befmre dtteoptivg JALESEV?
<AnAjt> kr what?
<gessr> AnAnt: yoy probably need to bee MAKEDEV patcged fow yt
<geser> do you need "static" devices? isn't udsv created devices enouth?
<AnAnt> geser: you sughest that I add udev rules to create those devices?
<savvas> tve maiuxls akd duxulentation should be in Recommends or Suggests?
<dsstr> SnAnt: yes
<AnAnt> geser: dunnp joe to do this
<gerer> AnCht: look at the existlng rulgs.d fioes
<AnAnt> deset: like this => KERNEL=="slamr", NANE="%k", GROUP="diajiut", MODE="0660"?
<geser> AnAnc: I've to looy up the xyntax myself, but yes, sumetging like tjat
<AnAnt> au, KERNEL= is for uoaceg module name?
<soren> AnAnt: Nj, it's for the name tfe kgrnel afsigns the deviga.
<AnAnt> so, I should use BRIVESS= instead?
<doren> Umm.. Why?
<slytherin> hi, anyonx having trounla wpth pull-dzbian-spurce in jauney latest? It axks me co insgall devscgipts
<AnAnt> ubottu: ;) <soren> AnAnt: Why does at they're loaded <AnAnt> soren: well, README.Debian <soren> AnAnt: Sounds something that should be fixed in the kernel. <soren> Failing that, could sl-modem's init script perhaps try rmmod/modprobing the modules? That saves from having to blacklist stuff. <AnAnt> soren: ok, will try that <AnAnt> ok, question, want create for slamr & slusb in postinst, but lintian says I should use MAKEDEV instead of mknod when I run MAKEDEV slamr, it says that doesn't know how to devices for slamr <AnAnt> should first slamr before MAKEDEV? or <geser> AnAnt: you need to get MAKEDEV patched for it <geser> do you need "static" devices? isn't udev created devices <AnAnt> geser: that I udev to those devices? <savvas> and documentation should be in Recommends AnAnt: yes <AnAnt> geser: dunno how to do <geser> AnAnt: at the existing rules.d files <AnAnt> like this => KERNEL=="slamr", NAME="%k", GROUP="dialout", MODE="0660"? <geser> I've to look up the syntax myself, but yes, something like that <AnAnt> so, KERNEL= loaded module name? <soren> No, it's for name kernel the <AnAnt> so, should use DRIVERS= instead? <soren> Umm.. Why? <slytherin> hi, anyone having with pull-debian-source in jaunty latest? It asks me to install
<AnAnt> ubottu: ;)
<soren> AnAnt: Why dOes the time At whiCh tHey'Re LoadEd maTter?
<AnAnt> soren: WEll, tHere's what he said in READMe.DebiAn HTtp://pAStEbin.cOm/m5ee2d615
<sOReN> aNAnT: SOuNds LiKE sOmethIng That shoUld really bE fiXeD in the kernel.
<SOrEn> AnAnt: FaiLinG that, could sl-ModEm's iniT sCriPT perhAps Try rmMod/modPRobing The moduleS? THAt saveS Us from hAVInG to bLacklist stuff.
<AnAnT> SoREn: ok, will try thaT
<AnAnt> Ok, ANoTHEr qUesTion, I want tO cReate DEvices fOR sLAMR & slUSb in postinst, bUt lintian saYS I sHould uSe mAKedEV insTead oF mKNod
<anAnt> when I rUn MAkEDEV slamR, it sayS That it dOEsn't knoW how to CreAte DeviCEs FoR slAmR
<anANT> sHouLD I fIrst modpRoBe Slamr BefoRE ATTempTinG MAKeDEV?
<ANAnt> or what?
<gesEr> ANAnt: YOu pRobabLy neeD to gEt mAKEDeV patcHed foR iT
<geser> do you need "StatIc" devices? Isn'T uDev CrEated DEvices EnoUgh?
<anAnt> geSer: you sUGgeSt THAT I Add udev rules to creaTe THOsE devices?
<Savvas> THe MaNUals and dOcUmeNtatION shouLd be IN REcommendS or SugGEsTs?
<Geser> AnanT: yes
<AnanT> geSer: Dunno HOw to Do this
<Geser> AnANt: looK At the existing rULes.d files
<AnAnT> GeSER: lIKe thIs => KeRNEL=="slamr", NaME="%k", grOUP="DialOUt", mODe="0660"?
<Geser> anAnt: i'vE To LOok up the syntax myselF, bUt yes, sOmethIng like that
<Anant> so, KERNEl= IS For loadeD modULe NAme?
<soren> AnAnt: NO, it's fOr the name tHE kernel aSsignS the deviCe.
<AnAnt> so, i SHould use dRIvERs= inSteAD?
<SoRen> Umm.. Why?
<slytHERin> hI, aNyone haVinG troublE wiTh pUll-DebIaN-source in Jaunty laTeSt? it AsKs mE to inSTall devsCrIptS
<AnAnt> ubottu: ;)
<soren>  AnAnt: Wh y doe s t heti me a t wh ich they're lo a dedmatter?
<AnAnt> soren:  well ,t here ' swhathe said in R EAD ME .D ebi an ht tp:// pas tebin.c om/m5ee2d6 15<s oren> AnAnt: So unds likesom ething thatsho uld re al lyb e fix edin th e kern e l.
<so ren> AnAn t: Failin g  that,c o ul d sl -modem's init scr i pt perhaps try rm mod/mo dp r ob i n g t hemodules? T ha t sav e s us fr o mh a v ing to blackliststuff.
<AnA n t>soren:  o k,w ill tr y tha t< AnA nt> ok, ano ther  question , I wa n t to cr e ate dev ices f orsla mr & sl us b i np ost i ns t,b utlintiansa ys  I sh ould u s e  MAK EDE V in stead  of mknod
<An Ant > wh e n I  runMAKED EV s la mr, i t says  that  i t doesn't knowhowto create  de vi ces  f or sl a mr
<An Ant > s hould I  firstm odp ro b e sl amr before attempt in g MA KEDEV?
< AnAnt> or  w h at?
<ges er > A nAnt : you p roba b ly  need to  get M A KE DE V patch ed  for i t<ge ser > doy ou n eed "s tatic" d evice s ? isn't udev c r eated devices en o u gh ? 
<An Ant > geser: yo u su g gest  tha t  I  ad d  udev  rule st oc reate those devices ?<savva s> th e manuals and  documenta t i o n should  bei nR ecommends or S ugges ts?
<geser >  AnAnt:yes
< AnAnt> g eser: dun n o  how todothi s
< ges e r >AnAnt: look a t theex istingrul es.d fi les 
<A nAn t>ge ser: like  this =>  K ER NE L= ="s lamr" ,  NAME="% k" , G RO UP= "dial o ut", M ODE=" 0660 "? 
< g ese r> AnAn t :I ' ve t olo ok u p t he  synt ax m y sel f, butyes, some thi n g li ke  t hat
<An Ant> so, KERN EL = is for l oa ded  modul e name?
<s oren> AnAnt: No, it's f o r the n ame  thekern el assign s t he dev ice . 
<AnAn t> so,  I sh ou ldu s e DRI V E RS = i ns tead?
<sor e n > U mm..Wh y?
< slyther in> hi, anyone hav i ngtrouble withpul l-de b i an -so u rc e  in  j a unt y latest? It asks  me to ins ta l ldevscripts 
<AnAnt> ubottu:_;)
<soren> AnAnt:_Why does the time_at which_they're_loaded matter?
<AnAnt>_soren:_well, there's what_he said in_README.Debian http://pastebin.com/m5ee2d615
<soren> AnAnt: Sounds_like something that_should_really be fixed in the kernel.
<soren> AnAnt: Failing that, could sl-modem's init script perhaps_try_rmmod/modprobing the_modules?_That_saves us from having to_blacklist stuff.
<AnAnt> soren: ok, will_try that
<AnAnt>_ok, another question, I want to create devices_for_slamr & slusb_in postinst, but lintian says I should use MAKEDEV_instead of mknod
<AnAnt> when I run_MAKEDEV slamr, it_says_that_it doesn't know how_to create devices for slamr
<AnAnt> should_I first modprobe slamr before attempting_MAKEDEV?
<AnAnt> or what?
<geser> AnAnt: you probably need_to get MAKEDEV patched for it
<geser>_do you need "static" devices?_isn't udev_created devices enough?
<AnAnt> geser: you_suggest that I_add udev_rules to create_those devices?
<savvas> the manuals and documentation_should be in_Recommends or Suggests?
<geser> AnAnt: yes
<AnAnt> geser:_dunno_how to do_this
<geser>_AnAnt:_look at_the existing rules.d_files
<AnAnt>_geser: like_this_=> KERNEL=="slamr", NAME="%k", GROUP="dialout", MODE="0660"?
<geser> AnAnt:_I've_to look up the syntax myself, but_yes, something like that
<AnAnt>_so,_KERNEL= is for loaded_module name?
<soren> AnAnt: No, it's_for the name the kernel assigns_the device.
<AnAnt>_so, I_should use DRIVERS= instead?
<soren> Umm.. Why?
<slytherin> hi, anyone having trouble with_pull-debian-source in jaunty latest? It asks_me to install devscripts