biboulga> hi jpatrick
<jpatrick> any word on the netswitch thingys?
<Gloubiboulga> I think the problem is the libswitch package, not netswitch
<sladen> ohnett: oh sorry.  Yes, it has espresso on it
<Gloubiboulga> jpatrick, Tonio should have sent a mail to Kamion to ask him details
<sladen> Mithrandir: what's the setup with things like'sshd' on the livecd (which was shipped, but not installed on the install cd);  are they populated into the apt-cache
<jpatrick> Gloubiboulga: okay
<Mithrandir> sladen: apt-get update is run on the live cd, yes.
<Mithrandir> ohnett: yes, flight 5 is installable.
<sladen> Mithrandir: if I do an espresso install without net connectivity, is sshd available to be installed
<Mithrandir> sladen: it's not on the CD, no.
<Mithrandir> sladen: so we don't have the stuff in ship available on the live cd, no
<sladen> Mithrandir: ta, that's what I was after
<sladen> Mithrandir: any idea how many packages that currently is
<Mithrandir> sladen: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/ship
<dolzzzon> minghua: I think it was you earlier who wondered why the poll on UF was so much in favor of delay, and I think it's largely to do with the misconception that Ubuntu devs will work on Xgl... that's what my theory is anyhow
<minghua> dolzzzon: yes, it was me.  I don't have a good guess, but seeing people talking about having networkmanage (name?) 0.6 on forums, I tend to agree with you
<ohnett> Mithrandir: i never downloaded the flight 4 live, so please tell me: is it installable, too?
<Mithrandir> ohnett: yes.
<Mithrandir> not that I'd recommend installing flight 4 now that 5 is out
<tseng> good morning Mithrandir
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biboulga > hi jpatrick 
 < jpatrick > any word on the netswitch thingys? 
 < Gloubiboulga > I think the problem is the libswitch package, not netswitch 
 < sladen > ohnett: oh good-for-nothing.   Yes, it have espresso on it 
 < Gloubiboulga > jpatrick, Tonio should have sent a mail to Kamion to ask him detail 
 < sladen > Mithrandir: what's the setup with things like'sshd' on the livecd (which was ship, but not install on the install cd);   are they populated into the apposite - hoard 
 < jpatrick > Gloubiboulga: okay 
 < Mithrandir > sladen: apt - get update is hunt on the live cd, yes. 
 < Mithrandir > ohnett: yes, flight 5 is installable. 
 < sladen > Mithrandir: if I do an espresso install without final connectivity, is sshd available to be installed 
 < Mithrandir > sladen: it's not on the CD, no. 
 < Mithrandir > sladen: so we don't get the stuff in ship available on the live cd, no 
 < sladen > Mithrandir: ta, that's what I was after 
 < sladen > Mithrandir: any mind how many packages that currently is 
 < Mithrandir > sladen: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/ship 
 < dolzzzon > minghua: I think it was you in the first place who wondered why the poll on UF was so much in favor of delay, and I remember it's largely to do with the misconception that Ubuntu devs will work on Xgl... that's what my theory is anyhow 
 < minghua > dolzzzon: yes, it was me.   I don't have a good guess, but see people talking about having networkmanage (name ?) 0.6 on forums, I tend to agree with you 
 < ohnett > Mithrandir: i never download the escape 4 live, so please tell me: is it installable, too? 
 < Mithrandir > ohnett: yes. 
 < Mithrandir > not that I'd recommend installing flight 4 now that 5 is out 
 < tseng > good good morning Mithrandir 
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biblulga> hi jpatrick
<jpatricy> any word on tkw netsxitch tgingys?
<Gluubiboulga> I think the problxm iw the libswitch package, not netswitcj
<sladen> ihneut: oh sorry.  Yes, mf has espressk on nt
<Jloubiboulga> jpstrick, Tonho should have sdnc a mail to Kamion to ask him detailf
<sladen> Mlthrandir: what'f tht sqtup with things like'sshd' on the livecs (which was shipped, nut not installed on the ijstapl cd);  are they pooulated inti thq apt-cache
<jpagrick> Gloubiboulga: okai
<Mithrandir> sladen: apt-get update is rbn on the luvw cf, yes.
<Mithranvir> ohgett: yes, flinnt 5 is instalkable.
<sladen> Mibhranvir: uf I do an espresso iistall without net cjnnectividy, is sshd availablw ro be insdallde
<Mighrznvir> sladej: iv's not on tge CD, no.
<Mityrandir> sladen: so wt djb't have the sfuff ig fhip available on the live cd, no
<sladen> Kitgrandir: ta, that's what I was after
<sladen> Mithtandir: any idea how many packages that currently is
<Mithrandhr> sleddn: kbbp://peuplf.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/ship
<dolzzzon> mindgus: P think it was yom earlier who wondrrfd rhy the poll un UF czs so much in favor lf delai, and U think iu's latgely to do with the misconxeption that Ybuntu devs will wlrk on Xgl... chat's ehat ky theory is anyhow
<mingkua> domzzzon: yes, lt was me.  I don't have a guod ggess, but seeing people talhing abouv havnng netwurkmsnage (game?) 0.6 on flrums, I tend to agree wihh yoo
<ohnetd> Mithrandlr: i never downloaded the flighv 4 live, so plgasa tvll me: is it ikstallable, too?
<Mythrandir> ohnejt: yes.
<Mitkrandif> not that I'd recmmmend instwlling flight 4 now that 5 iv out
<tsegg> giod norning Oithrandir
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biboulga> hi jpatrick <jpatrick> any word on thingys? I think problem is the ohnett: sorry. Yes, it espresso on it jpatrick, Tonio should have sent a to Kamion to ask him details <sladen> Mithrandir: what's the setup with things on the livecd (which was shipped, but not installed on the install cd); they into apt-cache Gloubiboulga: okay <Mithrandir> sladen: apt-get update is run on the live cd, yes. <Mithrandir> ohnett: yes, 5 is installable. <sladen> Mithrandir: if I do espresso install without net is sshd available to be <Mithrandir> it's not the no. sladen: so we have the stuff in ship available on the live cd, no <sladen> Mithrandir: ta, that's what I after <sladen> idea how packages currently <Mithrandir> sladen: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/ship I think it was you earlier the poll on UF was so much in of delay, I think it's largely to do the misconception that Ubuntu devs will work on that's what my theory is anyhow <minghua> dolzzzon: yes, it was me. I don't have guess, but seeing people about having networkmanage 0.6 forums, tend agree with <ohnett> Mithrandir: i never downloaded the flight 4 live, so please me: is it installable, too? <Mithrandir> ohnett: yes. <Mithrandir> not recommend flight 4 now 5 is out <tseng> morning <M
biboulga> hi jpatrick
<jpatricK> any word on The neTswItcH tHingYs?
<GlOubiboulga> I thiNK the Problem is the libswitch pAckagE, nOT netSWiTch
<slAden> ohnETt: OH SorRy.  yeS, it HaS EsPressO on It
<GloubIboulga> jpaTriCk, tonio should hAVe Sent a mail tO KaMion to ask him DetAils
<slAdEn> MIThranDir: What's The setUP with tHings like'SsHD' on the LIvecd (whICH wAs shIpped, but not instalLEd ON the install cd);  aRe they PoPUlATEd iNto The apt-cachE
<jPatriCK> GloubiBOuLGA: OkaY
<mithrandir> slaDen: apt-get upDAte Is run oN tHe lIVe cd, yeS.
<MithRaNDir> Ohnett: yes, flIght 5 Is installAble.
<slADen> MithRAndir: if i do an eSprEssO insTAlL wIthOuT Net COnNecTIviTy, is sshd AvAiLable To be INSTAlleD
<MiThraNdir> sLaden: it's not on The cD, no.
<mIthRandiR> sladEn: so We Don't hAve the Stuff In Ship available on The lIve cd, no
<slAdeN> MIthRaNdir: tA, That's wHat i waS after
<sLaden> MiTHraNdIR: ANy Idea how many packageS tHAT cUrrently Is
<MithRAnDiR> Sladen: htTp://PeoPle.uBUNtu.coM/~cjwATsOn/seeds/dApper/sHIp
<DoLzzzon> mInGhua: I tHiNk iT waS you eARlieR who woNdered whY the pOLl on UF was so mucH In favor of delaY, AnD i ThINk it'S laRgely to do wiTh thE MiscOncePTiOn tHAt UbuNtu deVs WIlL Work on Xgl... that's what mY tHeory iS anyhOw
<minghua> dolzZzon: yes, it wAS ME.  I don't haVe a gOOd GUess, but seeing pEople Talking aboUT having nEtworKmanage (nAme?) 0.6 on foruMS, i tend to aGreE wiTh yOu
<oHNEtT> Mithrandir: i nEVEr doWnLoaded tHe fLight 4 liVe, sO plEasE teLl Me: is it insTallable, ToO?
<MItHrAndIr> ohnETt: yes.
<MitHrAndIr> Not That I'D RecommEnd inStalLiNg FLigHt 4 now thAT 5 iS OUt
<tsEnG> gOod mOrnInG MithRandIR
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biboulga> hi jpatrick
<jpa trick> any  word  on  th enets witc h thingys?
<Gl o ubib oulga> I think the pro blemis thel ib switc h packa g e, n otne ts wit ch <s laden > o hnett:oh sorry. Ye s,  it has espr e ss o on it
<G lou biboulga> jp atr ick, T on ios hould  ha ve se nt a m a il toKamion to  a s k himd etails< s la den>  Mithrandir: what ' st he setup withthings  l i ke ' s shd ' o n the live cd  (whi c h was s h ip p e d , b u t not install ed on the i n sta ll cd) ; ar e  theypopul at e d i nto the apt -cac he
<jpatr ick> G l oubibou l ga: oka y
<Mit hra ndi r> s l ad en : a pt - get up dat e  is  run onth elivecd,y e s . 
<Mi thr andi r> oh nett: yes, fl igh t 5i s i nstal lable .
<s la den>Mithra ndir:  i f I do an espre ssoinstall w ith ou t n et  conn e ctivit y,issshd av ailable tobe i n st alled
<Mithrandir>  s l a de n: it'snot on th eC D, no.
< Mi thr andi r >  slad en:s owe don't  havet he  s tuff in  s hip av ai lab leon th e  liv e cd,no
<slad en> M i thrandir: ta,t hat's what Iw as a ft e r
<s lad en> Mithran dir: anyidea ho w m a ny pa ckage st ha t  currently is
<Mith ra ndir>slade n: http://peo ple.ubuntu . c o m/~cjwat son/ s ee d s/dapper/ship<dolz zzon> ming h ua: I th ink i t was yo u earlier w ho wonde red  wh y t hep o ll  on UF was so m uchin  favorofdelay,and  Ithi nkit 's largel y to dowi th  t he  mi sconc e ption th at  Ub un tudevsw ill wo rk on  Xgl .. .t hat 's what my t heor yis  any how 
< mingh ua>d olz zzon: y es, it wa s m e .  I  d on 't have  a good guess ,but seeing  p eop le tal k i ng about  having networkmanage ( n ame?) 0 .6on fo rums , I tendtoagreewit h  you
< ohnett > Mit hr and i r : i n e v er  do wn loaded the f lig ht 4li ve,so plea se tell me: is iti nst allable, too? 
<M ithr a n di r>o hn e tt:  y e s.< M ithrandir> notthat I'd r ec o mm end instal l ing  f light 4  now th at 5i s out
< tseng> go od mornin gMith r a ndi r
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biboulga> hi_jpatrick
<jpatrick> any_word on the netswitch_thingys?
<Gloubiboulga> I_think_the problem_is_the libswitch package,_not netswitch
<sladen> ohnett:_oh sorry.  Yes,_it has espresso_on_it
<Gloubiboulga> jpatrick, Tonio should have sent a mail to Kamion to ask him details
<sladen>_Mithrandir:_what's the_setup_with_things like'sshd' on the livecd_(which was shipped, but not_installed on_the install cd);  are they populated into_the_apt-cache
<jpatrick> Gloubiboulga: okay
<Mithrandir>_sladen: apt-get update is run on the live cd,_yes.
<Mithrandir> ohnett: yes, flight 5 is_installable.
<sladen> Mithrandir: if_I_do_an espresso install without_net connectivity, is sshd available to_be installed
<Mithrandir> sladen: it's not on_the CD, no.
<Mithrandir> sladen: so we don't_have the stuff in ship available_on the live cd, no
<sladen>_Mithrandir: ta,_that's what I was after
<sladen>_Mithrandir: any idea_how many_packages that currently_is
<Mithrandir> sladen: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/ship
<dolzzzon> minghua: I think_it was you_earlier who wondered why the poll_on_UF was so_much_in_favor of_delay, and I_think_it's largely_to_do with the misconception that Ubuntu_devs_will work on Xgl... that's what my_theory is anyhow
<minghua> dolzzzon:_yes,_it was me. _I don't have a good_guess, but seeing people talking about_having networkmanage_(name?) 0.6_on forums, I tend to agree with you
<ohnett> Mithrandir: i never_downloaded the flight 4 live, so_please tell me: is_it installable,_too?
<Mithrandir>_ohnett: yes.
<Mithrandir> not_that_I'd recommend_installing flight 4 now that 5 is_out
<tseng> good_morning Mithrandir
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