 try to do with REVU - we can't know if people go & package stuff somewhere else
<sistpoty> sabdfl: restricted upload rights particular won't solve that
<sabdfl> ScottK: you were patient, most people are not
<sabdfl> ajmitch: i want us to do better
<sabdfl> we should have archives where this stuff can go
<LaserJock> then hire Universe maintainers here then
<sabdfl> so people don't have to set them up elsewhere
<LaserJock> fix LP so we can use it for this
<LaserJock> whatever
<LaserJock> but we are all volunteers and we really try
<LaserJock> we helped them
<LaserJock> we sponsored them
<ajmitch> sabdfl: you're basically just saying "work harder! review more!" - we try & do that
<LaserJock> we *did* upload to universe
<ScottK> sabdfl: Agreed that without you're intervention it wouldn't happen, but not because of a process fault in Universe.  After your last appearance here the Beryl folks went of to fix licensing issues in their code.
<sabdfl> ajmitch: no, that's exactly what i am not saying
<sabdfl> please listen
<Seveas> tsmithe pong
<geser> sabdfl: despite licensing or distibutional issues?
<sabdfl> this is a social process, not a work process or a level-of-effort issue
<tsmithe> ScottK, i tend to agree with you. i feel that they should have, if they really did want them in, and want it bad, and want to do it the correct way, then that would be how they have done it
<sabdfl> socially, if you tell people "you are not good enough" they will GO AWAY
<ScottK> If folks are unwilling to properly license their code, the LAST thing you want to give them is upload rights.
<sabdfl> we don't want to do that
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we didn't tel lthem to go away!
<sistpoty> sabdfl:
try to do with REVU - we can't know if people fail & box stuff somewhere else 
 < sistpoty > sabdfl: restricted upload right field finical won't solve that 
 < sabdfl > ScottK: you were patient, most people are not 
 < sabdfl > ajmitch: i desire us to do better 
 < sabdfl > we should have archive where this material can go 
 < LaserJock > then hire Universe upholder here then 
 < sabdfl > so people don't have to fructify them up elsewhere 
 < LaserJock > sterilize LP so we can use it for this 
 < LaserJock > whatever 
 < LaserJock > but we are all volunteers and we really try 
 < LaserJock > we helped them 
 < LaserJock > we sponsor them 
 < ajmitch > sabdfl: you're basically just saying " work hard! review more! " - we try & do that 
 < LaserJock > we * did * upload to universe 
 < ScottK > sabdfl: Agreed that without you're intervention it wouldn't find, but not because of a process defect in Universe.   After your last appearance here the Beryl folks went of to fasten licensing issues in their code. 
 < sabdfl > ajmitch: no, that's exactly what i am not saying 
 < sabdfl > please listen 
 < Seveas > tsmithe pong 
 < geser > sabdfl: despite licensing or distibutional issues? 
 < sabdfl > this is a social procedure, not a work process or a level - of - effort issue 
 < tsmithe > ScottK, i tend to agree with you. i feel that they should have, if they really did want them in, and desire it regretful, and want to do it the correct direction, then that would be how they have done it 
 < sabdfl > socially, if you tell people " you are not effective enough " they will GO AWAY 
 < ScottK > If folks are unwilling to properly license their code, the final thing you want to give them is upload rights. 
 < sabdfl > we don't want to do that 
 < LaserJock > sabdfl: we didn't tel lthem to move away! 
 < sistpoty > sabdfl:
 trj to do with REVU - we cak't know if peoplg to & parkage sfuff somdwhere else
<sistpoty> sabdfl: rxstructed upload rights particuuar won't dolve thqt
<saudfl> ScottK: you xsre patlznt, mkdt pzo'le are not
<sabdnl> ajmitch: h want us to dm cecter
<sabdfl> we should have archives wrere thos stuff can go
<LwserKjck> fhen hire Universe maintainers hers then
<sebdfl> so people don't have to set them up flseahere
<LaserJock> fix LP so we cqn ufw it for thir
<LaserJock> whatever
<LasgrJock> but we are all volunteers and ce really ttv
<OasftJock> we hel'ed thvm
<LaserJock> wc sponsmred thrm
<ajmitch> sabdnl: yon're vasically just saying "work harder! revier more!" - wa cry & do that
<LaserJock> ww *did* uplmad gi uvivtrsx
<SckttK> swbdhl: Agreed tgat without you're intervention ie wouldn't happsn, but njt because of a process fault in Univerve.  After your last appearqnce here the Beryl fllks went of to fix licensing issues in their code.
<sabdfl> abmitci: vo, uhqt's ebqchly what i am not saying
<sabdfl> please listen
<Sqbess> tsmithe pong
<gcser> sabdfl: despitr pivgnsing or distkbutiouzl issues?
<sabdfl> this is a sjcial process, got s work process or a level-of-wffort issue
<nsmirhe> ScottK, i tend co agree witk you. o feek that they should have, if fhey really did want ghem in, and want it bdd, and want to do it the cjrrect wab, theu that wuuld be hor they havf donc it
<sabdfl> socially, if ylu tell peoppe "you are not good enough" they will GO AWAY
<SvodtK> If folkf are unwilling to properly liceuse theix code, the LAST nhing you want to gide them is upnlad rights.
<saudfl> we djn't qant to do gfat
<LaserJock> ssbdfl: we bndn't tel othem to go away!
<sixtpufy> sabdfl:
try to do with REVU - we if go & stuff somewhere else particular solve that <sabdfl> you were patient, people are not <sabdfl> ajmitch: i us to do better <sabdfl> we should have archives where this stuff can <LaserJock> then hire Universe maintainers here then <sabdfl> so people don't have to them elsewhere fix so we can use it for this <LaserJock> whatever <LaserJock> but we are all volunteers and really try <LaserJock> we helped them <LaserJock> we them <ajmitch> sabdfl: you're just saying "work harder! review - try & that we upload to universe sabdfl: Agreed that without you're intervention it wouldn't happen, but not because of a process fault in After your here the folks of fix licensing issues code. <sabdfl> ajmitch: no, that's exactly not saying <sabdfl> please listen <Seveas> tsmithe pong sabdfl: despite or distibutional issues? <sabdfl> this is social process, not a work process or a issue <tsmithe> ScottK, i tend to agree with you. i feel that they should have, really did want them and want it and to it correct way, that would be how they have done it <sabdfl> socially, if tell people "you are not good enough" they will GO If are unwilling to license their code, the thing want to give them rights. we do <LaserJock> we didn't tel lthem go away! <sistpoty> sabdfl:
 try to do with REVU - we can't know If people go & PackaGe sTufF sOmewHere Else
<sistpoty> saBDfl: rEstricted upload rights pArticUlAR won'T SoLve thAt
<sabdfL> scOTTK: yOu WeRe pAtIEnT, most PeoPle are nOt
<sabdfl> ajMitCh: I want us to do bETtEr
<sabdfl> we ShoUld have archiVes Where tHiS stUFf can Go
<LAserJOck> theN Hire UnIverse maiNtAIners hERe then
<sABDfL> so pEople don't have to seT ThEM up elsewhere
<LaSerJocK> fIX Lp SO we Can Use it for thIs
<laserjOck> whatEVeR
<lASerjOck> but we are alL volunteers ANd wE reallY tRy
<LASerJocK> we heLpED thEm
<LaserJock> We spOnsored thEm
<ajmiTCh> sabdfL: You're baSicallY juSt sAyinG "WoRk HarDeR! RevIEw MorE!" - We tRy & do that
<laSeRJock> We *diD* UPLOad tO unIverSe
<ScoTtK> sabdfl: AgreEd tHat wIThoUt you'Re intErveNtIon it Wouldn'T happEn, But not because of A proCess fault In UNiVerSe.  after YOur lasT apPeaRance heRe the BeRYl fOlKS WEnT of to fix licensing iSsUES iN their coDe.
<sabdFL> aJmITch: no, thaT's ExaCtly WHAt i am Not sAYiNg
<sabdfl> Please LIsTeN
<Seveas> TsMithe pOnG
<geSer> SabdfL: DespIte licEnsing or DistiBUtional issues?
<sABdfl> this is a soCIaL PRoCEss, nOt a Work process Or a lEVel-oF-effORt IssUE
<tsmiThe> ScOtTk, i TEnd to agree with you. i fEeL that tHey shOuld have, if theY really did WANT them in, aNd waNT iT Bad, and want to do It the Correct way, THen that wOuld bE how they Have done iT
<SAbdfl> socIalLy, iF yoU teLL PeOple "you are not GOOd enOuGh" they wIll gO AWAY
<SCotTK> IF foLks ArE unwillinG to propeRlY lIcEnSe tHeir cODe, the LASt tHinG yOu wAnt to GIve theM is upLoad RiGhTS.
<saBdfl> we dON't WANt to Do ThAt
<LaSerjoCk> sabDfl: wE DidN't tel ltHem to go awAy!
<sIStpoTy> SaBdfl:
 try to do with REVU - wecan't know  if p eop lego  & p acka ge stuff somew h ereelse
<sistpoty> sabdfl : res tr i cted up loadrightsp ar t i cul ar  w on' ts ol ve th at<sabdfl > ScottK:you  w ere patient, mo st peopleare  not
<sabdfl > a jmitch :i w a nt us  to  do b etter< sabdfl > we shou ld have a r chivesw h er e th is stuff can go
< L as e rJock> then hi re Uni ve r se m ain tai ners hereth en
<s a bdfl> s o  p e o p led on't have toset them up els ewhere 
< Las e rJock>  fixLP sowe can useit f or this
< LaserJ o ck> wha t ever
<L aserJo ck>  bu t we ar eall  v o lun t ee rsa ndwe reall ytr y
<La serJ o c k >  wehel pedthem<LaserJock> w e s pons o red  them 
<ajm itch >sabdf l: you 're b as ically just say ing"work har der !rev ie w mor e !" - w e t ry& do th at
<Las e rJo ck > w e*did* upload to un iv e r se 
<ScottK > sabd f l:  A g reed tha twit hout y ou're  int e rv ention i t woul d n' thappen,  b ut not  b eca use  of a proc ess fa ult in U niver s e.  After your last appearan c eh e re theBer yl folks we nt o f  tofixl ic ens i ng is suesin th e ir code.
<sabdfl> a jm itch:no, t hat's exactly  what i am n o t saying 
<sa b df l > please liste n
<Se veas> tsmi t he pong<gese r> sabdf l: despit e licensin g o r d ist ibu t i on al issues?
<s a b dfl>  t his isa s ocial p roc ess , n otawork proc ess or a  l ev el -o f-e ffort issue
<t sm ith e>  Sc ottK, i tend  to a gree  w it h  yo u. i fe e lt h at t he yshou ldha ve, i f th e y r eally d id want t hem in,an dwant it  bad, and wan tto do it t he  co rrectw a y, thenthat would be how theyh ave don e i t
<sa bdfl > sociall y,if you  te l l peop le "yo u are  n otg o od en o u gh " t he y will GOA W AY<Scot tK > If  folksare unwilling to p r ope rly license t hei r co d e ,the LA S T t hi n g y o u  want to give t hem is upl oa d  r ights.
<sa b dfl >we don' t wantto do that
<L aserJock>  sabdfl:we  did n ' t t el lthem t o go awa y!
<sistp o ty> s a bd fl:
 try_to do_with REVU - we_can't know_if_people go_&_package stuff somewhere_else
<sistpoty> sabdfl: restricted_upload rights particular won't_solve that
<sabdfl> ScottK:_you_were patient, most people are not
<sabdfl> ajmitch: i want us to do better
<sabdfl> we_should_have archives_where_this_stuff can go
<LaserJock> then hire_Universe maintainers here then
<sabdfl> so_people don't_have to set them up elsewhere
<LaserJock> fix LP_so_we can use_it for this
<LaserJock> whatever
<LaserJock> but we are all volunteers_and we really try
<LaserJock> we helped_them
<LaserJock> we sponsored_them
<ajmitch>_sabdfl:_you're basically just saying_"work harder! review more!" - we_try & do that
<LaserJock> we *did*_upload to universe
<ScottK> sabdfl: Agreed that without_you're intervention it wouldn't happen, but_not because of a process_fault in_Universe.  After your last_appearance here the_Beryl folks_went of to_fix licensing issues in their code.
<sabdfl>_ajmitch: no, that's_exactly what i am not saying
<sabdfl>_please_listen
<Seveas> tsmithe pong
<geser>_sabdfl:_despite_licensing or_distibutional issues?
<sabdfl> this_is_a social_process,_not a work process or a_level-of-effort_issue
<tsmithe> ScottK, i tend to agree with_you. i feel that_they_should have, if they_really did want them in,_and want it bad, and want_to do_it the_correct way, then that would be how they have done it
<sabdfl>_socially, if you tell people "you_are not good enough"_they will_GO_AWAY
<ScottK> If folks_are_unwilling to_properly license their code, the LAST thing_you want_to give them is upload rights.
<sabdfl>_we don't want to_do_that
<LaserJock> sabdfl: we didn't tel lthem_to go away!
<sistpoty> sabdfl: