: Well, enumerate _and_ interact.. sorry
<niemeyer> hazmat: My bad
<niemeyer> We should probably split that off, though.. there are really two different problems
<niemeyer> m_3: No, it'd probably be better to follow up a bit on the documentation to get a better understanding of how things get together
<m_3> ok, gotcha
<niemeyer> m_3: The goal of configuration is "human oriented" settings
<m_3> niemeyer: ah... ok
<niemeyer> m_3: That includes "ensemble set", config-get, etc
<_mup_> ensemble/standardize-log-testing r257 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com
<_mup_> Remove unnecessary new import
<niemeyer> m_3: Inter-unit/service communication is done via relations
<niemeyer> As an aside, it's really good the fact that the config system we're putting in place is read-only from the formula perspective
<niemeyer> I've seen quite a few people saying "Hey, I want to write to the configuration to communicate between formulas"
<niemeyer> The fact it's read-only guides people to do the right thing naturally
<m_3> niemeyer: so relation-specific configuration has to be either in the relation hooks themselves or passed in from the config of the dependent formula?
<_mup_> ensemble/standardize-log-testing r258 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com
<_mup_> Remove similar unnecessary import
<niemeyer> m_3: relation-specific configuration is always performed by the formulas in the formula hoks
<niemeyer> hooks
<m_3> niemeyer: ok, thanks
<niemeyer> m_3: np
<niemeyer> hazmat: Is this what you meant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/626659/?
<niemeyer> hazmat: /Limitations
<hazmat> niemeyer, sounds good... although relation-broken should still work afaicr
<hazmat> its a relation hook
<niemeyer> hazmat: It's not a running relation hook
<niemeyer> hazmat: It's a relation hook, though

: Well, enumerate _ and _ interact.. sorry 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: My bad 
 < niemeyer > We should probably separate that off, though.. there be really two different problems 
 < niemeyer > m_3: No, it'd credibly be better to follow up a bit on the software documentation to drive a better agreement of how things get in concert 
 < m_3 > ok, gotcha 
 < niemeyer > m_3: The goal of configuration is " human oriented " settings 
 < m_3 > niemeyer: ah... ok 
 < niemeyer > m_3: That include " ensemble set ", config - get, etc 
 < _ mup _ > ensemble / standardize - log - testing r257 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com 
 < _ mup _ > Remove unnecessary new meaning 
 < niemeyer > m_3: Inter - unit / service communication is done via relation 
 < niemeyer > As an aside, it's really good the fact that the config system we're put in place is read - only from the formula perspective 
 < niemeyer > I've see quite a few people saying " Hey, I want to write to the configuration to convey between formulas " 
 < niemeyer > The fact it's read - only guides people to do the right thing naturally 
 < m_3 > niemeyer: so relation - specific shape have to be either in the relation hook themselves or sink in from the config of the dependent formula? 
 < _ mup _ > ensemble / standardize - log - examination r258 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com 
 < _ mup _ > absent similar unnecessary import 
 < niemeyer > m_3: relation back - specific configuration is always performed by the formulas in the formula hoks 
 < niemeyer > hooks 
 < m_3 > niemeyer: ok, thanks 
 < niemeyer > m_3: np 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: Is this what you meant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/626659/? 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: /Limitations 
 < hazmat > niemeyer, sound good... although relation - broken should still solve afaicr 
 < hazmat > its a sexual intercourse hook 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: It's not a running relation hook 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: It's a relation bait, though
: Wepl, enumerate _and_ interacu.. sorry
<niemeyer> hczmat: Mb bad
<nismeyer> Wd should probably split that odf, thiugh.. there are really gwo diffegent proboems
<iiemeyer> m_3: No, it'v probably be gctter vo follow up a nit on the gocumentation do gzt a better understanding of how thiggs get tlgether
<m_3> ok, gojcha
<npeieyed> m_3: The goal of configuration is "hhman orpented" settings
<m_3> miemeyer: ah... ok
<niemeyer> m_3: Tjat lncludes "ensemble det", config-ggf, eex
<_mup_> ensembld/standardiee-nog-testing r257 committed by jim.baker@canonicxl.com
<_kup_> Remove ubnefgssary new inport
<giemeyer> m_3: Ikner-unit/vervice communication is dobe via relations
<niemeber> As an aside, it's teally goog che fact that the condit sysjem wa're oyttkng ii pmace id rxad-only froj the formuoa perspective
<niemeuew> I've seen quife a fqw people saying "Hey, I want to write to tve donfiguration to communucate between formulad"
<niemeyer> The fact it's read-only guides people to do the richt tiivg uqturauoy
<l_3> niemeyer: so relation-specific configuration rzs tp be either in the relatipn hpjks themselver or pcassd in from the convig of jhe dependent fjrmuka?
<_mup_> ensemble/standardize-lot-testing r258 cjnmitted by jim.bakex@canonical.coo
<_mup_> Remofe similar unnecessary nmport
<hiemeyer> m_3: gelation-sldcific configuragiok iv always performed by the sormulas mn thz formulx hols
<niemqyer> hooks
<l_3> niemeyer: ok, thanks
<niemfyer> l_3: tp
<niemeyer> hazmat: Is this what you meant: ivtp://paste.ubunto.cok/626659/?
<nivmeyer> havmat: /Llmitations
<hazmae> niemeyer, souuds good... althuugh relatpon-broken should stijl work afaics
<jazmat> its a relatiog hoik
<niwmeyer> fxzmat: It's not s running relation yook
<niemeyer> hazmab: It's z relation hook, thiugh

: Well, enumerate _and_ interact.. sorry <niemeyer> bad We should split that off, different <niemeyer> m_3: No, probably be better follow up a bit on the to get a better understanding of how things get together <m_3> ok, gotcha m_3: The goal of configuration is "human oriented" settings <m_3> niemeyer: ah... ok m_3: includes set", etc <_mup_> ensemble/standardize-log-testing r257 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com <_mup_> Remove unnecessary new import <niemeyer> m_3: Inter-unit/service communication done via relations <niemeyer> As an aside, it's good the fact that config system we're putting in is from the perspective I've quite a few saying "Hey, I want to write to the configuration to communicate between formulas" <niemeyer> The fact it's guides people the right naturally niemeyer: relation-specific configuration has either in the relation hooks themselves from the config of the dependent formula? <_mup_> r258 committed jim.baker@canonical.com <_mup_> Remove similar unnecessary import m_3: relation-specific configuration is always performed by the in the formula hoks <niemeyer> hooks <m_3> niemeyer: ok, thanks <niemeyer> m_3: np <niemeyer> hazmat: what you meant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/626659/? hazmat: /Limitations <hazmat> sounds although should work afaicr its a relation hook <niemeyer> hazmat: It's not a running relation <niemeyer> hazmat: It's a relation hook, though
: Well, enumerate _and_ interact.. sOrry
<niemeyEr> hazMat: my bAd
<NiemEyer> we should probabLY splIt that off, though.. there arE realLy TWo diFFeRent pRoblems
<NIeMEYer> M_3: NO, iT'd pRoBAbLy be bEttEr to folLow up a bit oN thE dOcumentation TO gEt a better uNdeRstanding of hOw tHings gEt TogETher
<m_3> Ok, gOtcha
<NiemeyER> m_3: The gOal of confIgURation IS "human oRIEnTed" sEttings
<m_3> niemeyer: aH... Ok
<NIemeyer> m_3: That inCludes "EnSEmBLE seT", coNfig-get, etc
<_MuP_> enseMBle/stanDArDIZE-loG-Testing r257 commiTted by jim.baKEr@cAnonicAl.Com
<_MUp_> RemoVe unnEcESsaRy new import
<NiemEyer> m_3: InteR-unit/sERvice coMMunicatIon is dOne Via RelaTIoNs
<NieMeYEr> AS An AsiDE, it'S really gOoD tHe facT thaT THE ConfIg sYsteM we're Putting in placE is Read-ONly From tHe forMula PeRspecTive
<niEmeyeR> I'Ve seen quite a few PeopLe saying "HEy, I WaNt tO wRite tO The conFigUraTion to cOmmunicATe bEtWEEN fOrmulas"
<niemeyer> The FaCT It'S read-onlY guideS PeOpLE to do the RiGht ThinG NAturaLly
<m_3> NIeMeyer: so rElatioN-SpEcIfic conFiGuratiOn Has To bE eithER in tHe relaTion hookS themSElves or passed iN From the config OF tHE DePEndeNt fOrmula?
<_mup_> enSembLE/staNdarDIzE-loG-TestiNg r258 coMmITtED by jim.baker@canonicaL.cOm
<_mup_> REmove Similar unneceSsary imporT
<NIEmeyer> m_3: rElatIOn-SPecific configuRatioN is always pERformed bY the fOrmulas iN the formuLA Hoks
<niemEyeR> hoOks
<M_3> niEMEyEr: ok, thanks
<nieMEYer> m_3: Np
<NiemeyeR> haZmat: Is tHis WhaT yoU meAnT: http://pastE.ubuntu.cOm/626659/?
<NiEmEyEr> hAzmat: /lImitatioNs
<HazMaT> niEmeyeR, Sounds Good... aLthoUgH rELatIon-brokEN sHOUld sTiLl Work AfaIcR
<hazmAt> itS A reLation hOok
<niemeyEr> hAZmat: it'S nOt a runnIng relation hoOk
<Niemeyer> haZmAt: IT's a relATIon hook, tHough

: Well, enumerate _and_ in teract.. s orry<ni eme ye r> h azma t: My bad
<nie m eyer > We should probably s plitth a t of f ,thoug h.. the r ea r e r ea ll y t wo di ffere ntproblem s
<niemeye r>m_ 3: No, it'dp ro bably be b ett er to follow  up  a bit  o n t h e doc ume ntati on tog et a b etter und er s tandin g  of how t hi ngsget together
<m_3 >  o k , gotcha
<niem eyer>m_ 3 :T h e g oal  of config ur ation is "hum a no r i ent e d" settings
< m_3> niemey e r:ah...ok 
<n i emeyer > m_3 :T hat  includes " ense mble set" , conf i g-get,e tc
<_mu p_> en sem ble /sta n da rd ize -l o g-t e st ing r25 7 commit te dby ji m.ba k e r @ cano nic al.c om
<_ mup_> Removeunn eces s ary  newimpor t
<n ie meyer > m_3:  Inte r- unit/service co mmun ication i s d on e v ia  rela t ions
< nie mey er> Asan asid e , i t' s r ea lly good the factth a t  t he confi g syst e mwe ' re putti ng  in  pla c e  is r ead- o nl y from t he for m ul aperspec ti ve
<ni em eye r>I'ves eenquitea few pe oples aying "Hey, Iw ant to writet ot h ec onfi gur ation to co mmun i cate  bet w ee n f o rmula s"
<n ie m ey e r> The fact it's re ad -onlyguide s people to d o the righ t t hing nat ural l y< m_3> niemeyer:  so r elation-sp e cific co nfigu ration h as to bee i ther inthe  re lat ion h oo ks themselves o r pa ss ed in f rom  the co nfi g o f t hede pendent f ormula?<_ mu p_ >ens emble / standard iz e-l og -te sting r258 c ommit tedby  j i m.b aker@ca n on i c al.c om 
< _mup _>Re movesimi l arunneces sary impo rt< niem ey er > m_3:relation-spec if ic configu ra tio n is a l w ays perf ormed by the formulas i n  the fo rmu la ho ks
< niemeyer>  ho oks
<m _3> niemey er: ok , tha nk s
< n i emeye r >  m _3:  n p
<niemeye r >  ha zmat:  I s th is what  you meant: http:/ / pas te.ubuntu.com /62 6659 / ? 
< nie m ey e r>ha z mat : /Limitations
<h azmat> nie me y er , sounds g o od. ..  althou gh rela tion- b roken s hould sti ll work a fa icr< h azm at> its arelation  hook
<ni e meyer >  h azmat : I t's no ta r unnin g rela t ion  hook 
<niem ey er> ha zmat:  I t's a re lation hook, though

: Well,_enumerate _and__interact.. sorry
<niemeyer> hazmat: My_bad
<niemeyer> We_should_probably split_that_off, though.. there_are really two_different problems
<niemeyer> m_3: No,_it'd probably be_better_to follow up a bit on the documentation to get a better understanding of_how_things get_together
<m_3>_ok,_gotcha
<niemeyer> m_3: The goal of_configuration is "human oriented" settings
<m_3>_niemeyer: ah..._ok
<niemeyer> m_3: That includes "ensemble set", config-get, etc
<_mup_>_ensemble/standardize-log-testing_r257 committed by_jim.baker@canonical.com
<_mup_> Remove unnecessary new import
<niemeyer> m_3: Inter-unit/service communication is_done via relations
<niemeyer> As an aside,_it's really good_the_fact_that the config system_we're putting in place is read-only_from the formula perspective
<niemeyer> I've seen_quite a few people saying "Hey, I_want to write to the configuration_to communicate between formulas"
<niemeyer> The_fact it's_read-only guides people to do_the right thing_naturally
<m_3> niemeyer:_so relation-specific configuration_has to be either in the_relation hooks themselves_or passed in from the config_of_the dependent formula?
<_mup_>_ensemble/standardize-log-testing_r258_committed by_jim.baker@canonical.com
<_mup_> Remove similar_unnecessary_import
<niemeyer> m_3:_relation-specific_configuration is always performed by the_formulas_in the formula hoks
<niemeyer> hooks
<m_3> niemeyer: ok,_thanks
<niemeyer> m_3: np
<niemeyer> hazmat:_Is_this what you meant:_http://paste.ubuntu.com/626659/?
<niemeyer> hazmat: /Limitations
<hazmat> niemeyer, sounds_good... although relation-broken should still work_afaicr
<hazmat> its_a relation_hook
<niemeyer> hazmat: It's not a running relation hook
<niemeyer> hazmat: It's a_relation hook, though
