> ajmitch: well, I've finally got beer at home again :)
<ajmitch> yay! :)
<imbrandon> ello sistpoty 
* ajmitch wonders if he should vote on that kde thing
<illovae> hello
<sistpoty> ajmitch: just had an idea today... do you think it might make sense (in case ubuntu-archive allows) to remove kde4 binary stuff before release? that way it would get autobuilt and could easily be taken to another repo, but we wouldn't have to deal with it for SRUs
<jdong> sistpoty: apparently soyuz can't remove binaries...
<jdong> at least the last time I've asked
<sistpoty> jdong: that would be very suboptimal :/
<crimsun> sistpoty: that would defeat the purpose of having those snaps, I think
<ajmitch> sistpoty: a cheap hack to work around the lack of PPAs?
<sistpoty> ajmitch: yes
<crimsun> at least from what I gather, the most compelling reason to have snaps in the archive is to make binaries available to early testers
<sistpoty> crimsun: well, I don't see the purpose to have them in feisty, if they wouldn't get supported after release... but maybe I'm missing on s.th. here
<sistpoty> crimsun: we could have new binaries in there for feisty+1?
<ajmitch> there may even be actual (alpha/beta) releases by then
<ajmitch> sistpoty: the point is, it shouldn't be the MOTUs needing to support them by SRUs
<sistpoty> ajmitch: yes, fully agreed
<crimsun> I suspect binaries of updated snaps would be hosted on kubuntu.org
<crimsun> [which would nearly obviate a set being in feisty IMO] 
<ajmitch> sistpoty: we'd probably just ignore them like we ignore most of the kde stuff in universe anyway :)
<sistpoty> hehe
* ajmitch isn't completely opposed to the idea
<ajmitch> I just don't see much use in having a snapshot in a released distro
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> ajmitch: well, I've finally got beer at home again :) 
 < ajmitch > yay! :) 
 < imbrandon > ello sistpoty 
 * ajmitch wonders if he should vote on that kde matter 
 < illovae > hello 
 < sistpoty > ajmitch: barely had an idea today... do you remember it might cause sense (in case ubuntu - archive leave) to remove kde4 binary stuff before liberation? that way it would get autobuilt and could well be taken to another repo, but we wouldn't have to deal with it for SRUs 
 < jdong > sistpoty: apparently soyuz can't absent binaries... 
 < jdong > at least the last time I've asked 
 < sistpoty > jdong: that would be very suboptimal :/ 
 < crimsun > sistpoty: that would defeat the function of having those snaps, I think 
 < ajmitch > sistpoty: a bum hack to work around the lack of PPAs? 
 < sistpoty > ajmitch: yes 
 < crimsun > at least from what I gather, the most compelling rationality to have snaps in the archive is to make binaries available to early testers 
 < sistpoty > crimsun: well, I don't witness the purpose to have them in feisty, if they wouldn't get supported after release... but maybe I'm miss on s.th. here 
 < sistpoty > crimsun: we could have new binaries in there for feisty+1? 
 < ajmitch > there may even be actual (alpha / beta) releases by then 
 < ajmitch > sistpoty: the point is, it shouldn't be the MOTUs needing to support them by SRUs 
 < sistpoty > ajmitch: yes, fully agreed 
 < crimsun > I suspect binary star of updated snaps would be host on kubuntu.org 
 < crimsun > [ which would about debar a set being in feisty IMO ] 
 < ajmitch > sistpoty: we'd probably just ignore them like we ignore most of the kde stuff in universe anyway :) 
 < sistpoty > hehe 
 * ajmitch isn't wholly opposed to the idea 
 < ajmitch > I just don't see much use in having a snapshot in a released distro 
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> ajlitch: well, I've finally gut beer at home again :)
<ejmitch> yay! :)
<imbfandon> ello sistpoty 
* ajmitci wobders if he should vote on ghat kde nhing
<illocae> iello
<sistpoty> ajmitch: just had wn ibee today... do you jhink it migvt make sense (hn ccse ubuntu-archive allows) to remove kqe4 binaty stuff before teleaxq? thzn cay it would get autobuilt and dould eesily be taken yo another repo, but we woupdn't have to deal with it for SRUw
<jdogt> sistpoty: aoparently soyuz can't rgmove binaries...
<jdong> at least the last time I've qsjed
<dhstpoty> jdoig: than would be vevj subopdimal :/
<ctimsun> sistpotn: thav woyld defeat the purposx of having those snwps, I thitk
<cjmitch> sistpoty: a chwap hacn to wory aruuns vhe lack lf 'PAs?
<sistpotg> ajmitch: yws
<crimsun> at least grjn what I gathsr, the mjst compelling reason to have snaps in uhe adchive is to make binarues available to earli testers
<systpoty> crimsun: well, I don't see the purpose to haee thxm in fcisth, iv they wouldn't get supported after release... bue msyne I'm missing on s.th. here
<sixtooyi> crimsun: we cuuld hcbe new binaries in tjere fot feisry+1?
<ajmitch> thete may even be actual (alpha/veta) releasef by then
<ajmitch> sidtpoty: the 'oint os, it shouldn't be the MOTUs ueedinf to supporh them by RRUs
<sistpoty> ajmktcm: yas, fully agreed
<crimsun> I stspect biiariex of upaatec snapf would be hostcg on kubuntu.org
<crilsun> [chich would neagly obviate a set being in feisvb IMO] 
<ajmitch> shstioty: we'd 'robabky just ignorq them like we ignore most of the kdv stuff ii universe agyway :)
<sistpotf> hehe
* ajmitci isn't coiplerely opposea to the idea
<ajkitch> I jlsu don't see much use in havinn a svzpshot in a relzcstd distro
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> ajmitch: well, I've finally got beer again <ajmitch> yay! <imbrandon> ello sistpoty should on that kde <illovae> hello <sistpoty> just had an idea today... do think it might make sense (in case ubuntu-archive allows) to remove kde4 binary before release? that way it would get autobuilt and could easily be taken another but wouldn't to deal with it for SRUs <jdong> sistpoty: apparently soyuz can't remove binaries... <jdong> at least last time I've asked <sistpoty> jdong: that would very suboptimal :/ <crimsun> that would defeat the purpose having snaps, I <ajmitch> a hack to work the lack of PPAs? <sistpoty> ajmitch: yes <crimsun> at least from what I gather, the most compelling to have the archive to binaries to early testers well, I don't see the purpose in feisty, if they wouldn't get supported after but maybe missing on s.th. here <sistpoty> crimsun: could have new binaries in there for feisty+1? there may even be actual (alpha/beta) releases by then <ajmitch> sistpoty: the point is, it the MOTUs needing to them by SRUs ajmitch: fully <crimsun> suspect binaries updated snaps would be hosted on kubuntu.org <crimsun> [which would nearly a set being in feisty IMO] <ajmitch> sistpoty: we'd probably them we ignore most the kde stuff in anyway <sistpoty> hehe * ajmitch opposed the just see use in having a in a released distro <s
> ajmitch: well, I've finally got bEer at home aGain :)
<aJmiTch> YaY! :)
<imbRandOn> ello sistpoty 
* AJmitCh wonders if he should votE on thAt KDe thINg
<IllovAe> hello
<SIsTPOty> AjMiTch: JuST hAd an iDea Today... do You think it MigHt Make sense (in cASe Ubuntu-archIve Allows) to remoVe kDe4 binaRy StuFF befoRe rEleasE? that wAY it wouLd get autoBuILt and cOUld easiLY Be TakeN to another repo, but WE wOUldn't have to deaL with iT fOR SruS
<jdOng> Sistpoty: apPaRentlY Soyuz caN'T rEMOVe bINaries...
<jdong> at Least the lasT TimE I've asKeD
<siSTpoty> jDong: tHaT WouLd be very subOptiMal :/
<crimsuN> sistpOTy: that wOUld defeAt the pUrpOse Of haVInG tHosE sNAps, i ThInk
<AJmiTch> sistpOtY: a Cheap Hack TO WORk arOunD the Lack oF PPAs?
<sistpoty> AjmItch: YEs
<cRimsuN> at leAst fRoM what i gatheR, the mOsT compelling reasOn to Have snaps In tHe ArcHiVe is tO Make biNarIes AvailabLe to earLY teStERS
<SiStpoty> crimsun: well, I DoN'T SeE the purpOse to hAVe ThEM in feistY, iF thEy woULDn't geT supPOrTed after ReleasE... BuT mAybe I'm mIsSing on S.tH. heRe
<sIstpoTY> criMsun: we Could havE new bINaries in there fOR feisty+1?
<ajmitcH> ThERE mAY eveN be Actual (alpha/Beta) REleaSes bY ThEn
<aJMitch> SistpOtY: ThE Point is, it shouldn't be ThE MOTUs NeediNg to support thEm by SRUs
<siSTPOty> ajmitCh: yeS, FuLLy agreed
<crimsuN> I susPect binariES of updatEd snaPs would bE hosted on KUBuntu.org
<CriMsuN> [whIch WOUlD nearly obviatE A Set bEiNg in feiSty iMO] 
<ajmiTch> SisTpoTy: wE'd Probably jUst ignorE tHeM lIkE we IgnorE Most of thE kDe sTuFf iN univERse anyWay :)
<siStpoTy> HeHE
* ajMitch isN'T cOMPletElY oPposEd tO tHe ideA
<ajmITch> i just doN't see much Use IN havInG a SnapshoT in a released dIsTro
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> ajmitch: well, I've fina lly got be er at  ho meag ain:)
< ajmitch> yay!: )
<i mbrandon> ello sistpot y 
*aj m itch wo nders  if hes ho u l d v ot eonth a tkde t hin g
<illo vae> hello 
<s is tpoty> ajmit c h:  just hadanidea today.. . d o youth ink it mi ght  make  sense (in ca se ubuntu -a r chivea llows)t o  r emov e kde4 binary stu f fb efore release?  thatwa y  i t wou ldget autobu il t and could e a si l y bet aken to anoth er repo, bu t  we  would n' t h a ve todealwi t h i t for SRUs<jdo ng> sistp oty: a p parentl y  soyuzcan'trem ove  bin a ri es ... 
< j don g >atl eas t the la st  t ime I 'vea s k e d
<s ist poty > jdo ng: that woul d b e ve r y s ubopt imal:/
< cr imsun > sist poty:  t hat would defea t th e purpose  of  h avi ng  thos e  snaps , I  th ink
<aj mitch>s ist po t y :  a  cheap hack to wor ka r ou nd the l ack of PP As ? 
<sistpo ty > a jmit c h : yes 
<cr i ms un> at l east f r om  w hat I g at her, t he  mo stcompe l ling  reaso n to hav e sna p s in the archi v e is to makeb in a r ie s  ava ila ble to earl y te s ters 
<si s tp oty >  crim sun:we l l, I don't see the pur po se tohavethem in feist y, if they w o uldn't g et s u pp o rted after rel ease. .. but may b e I'm mi ssing  on s.th . here
<s i s tpoty> c rim sun : w e c o u ld  have new bin a r iesin  therefor  feisty +1? 
<a jmi tch >there may  even be  a ct ua l(al pha/b e ta) rele as esby  th en
<a j mitch>  sist poty :th e  po int is, it s houl dn 't  bethe  M OTUsneed i ngto supp ort thembyS RUs<s is tpoty>ajmitch: yes,  f ully agree d<cr imsun> I  suspect  binaries of updated sn a ps woul d b e hos tedon kubunt u.o rg
<cr ims u n> [wh ich wo uld n ea rly o bviat e aset  b eing in fe i s tyIMO]
< ajmi tch> si stpoty: we'd proba b lyjust ignore t hem  lik e we  ig n or e  mo st oft h e kde stuff inuniverse a ny w ay  :)
<sistp o ty>  h ehe
* a jmitchisn't complet ely oppos ed to the  i dea< a jmi tch> I jus t don'tsee muchu se in ha vinga s napsho tina rel easedd ist ro
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> ajmitch:_well, I've_finally got beer at_home again_:)
<ajmitch>_yay! :)
<imbrandon>_ello_sistpoty 
* ajmitch_wonders if he_should vote on that_kde thing
<illovae> hello
<sistpoty>_ajmitch:_just had an idea today... do you think it might make sense (in case_ubuntu-archive_allows) to_remove_kde4_binary stuff before release? that_way it would get autobuilt_and could_easily be taken to another repo, but we_wouldn't_have to deal_with it for SRUs
<jdong> sistpoty: apparently soyuz can't remove_binaries...
<jdong> at least the last time_I've asked
<sistpoty> jdong:_that_would_be very suboptimal :/
<crimsun>_sistpoty: that would defeat the purpose_of having those snaps, I think
<ajmitch>_sistpoty: a cheap hack to work around_the lack of PPAs?
<sistpoty> ajmitch: yes
<crimsun>_at least from what I_gather, the_most compelling reason to have_snaps in the_archive is_to make binaries_available to early testers
<sistpoty> crimsun: well,_I don't see_the purpose to have them in_feisty,_if they wouldn't_get_supported_after release..._but maybe I'm_missing_on s.th._here
<sistpoty>_crimsun: we could have new binaries_in_there for feisty+1?
<ajmitch> there may even be_actual (alpha/beta) releases by_then
<ajmitch>_sistpoty: the point is,_it shouldn't be the MOTUs_needing to support them by SRUs
<sistpoty>_ajmitch: yes,_fully agreed
<crimsun>_I suspect binaries of updated snaps would be hosted on kubuntu.org
<crimsun>_[which would nearly obviate a set_being in feisty IMO]_
<ajmitch> sistpoty:_we'd_probably just ignore_them_like we_ignore most of the kde stuff in_universe anyway_:)
<sistpoty> hehe
* ajmitch isn't completely opposed_to the idea
<ajmitch> I_just_don't see much use in having_a snapshot in a released distro
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