 hard X locks, which aren't recoverable. also attaching/detaching external monitors also seems to trigger an unrecoverable state, the old virtual terminal unity --replace trick works sometimes.. but not always.. typically a slew of session errors, some referencing dbus, some referencing device errors.
<niemeyer> hazmat: Hmmm, ok
<_mup_> ensemble/standardize-log-testing r256 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com
<_mup_> Merged trunk
<niemeyer> hazmat: Sounds related to what I see
<niemeyer> jimbaker: Morning
<jimbaker> niemeyer, hi
<niemeyer> hazmat: Generally CTRL-ALT-F1 + compiz kill + unity restart works
<niemeyer> Not nice, though
<hazmat> niemeyer, yeah.. its better than killing the xsession.. i'm curious if there's equivalent to that for classic mode
<niemeyer> hazmat: This is just restarting the window manager, I think
<niemeyer> hazmat: I recall doing that for metacity long ago
<niemeyer> While working on that debug-hook stuff, I'm quite proud of this system we came up with
<m_3> niemeyer: I've got lockup problems with natty/compiz/unity too... half-minute lockups every time I do something compiz-fancy like alt-tab or switch viewports
<niemeyer> hazmat: jimbaker: Do you want to have a quick look at these doc changes before I commit as part of the debug-hooks branch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/626637/
 * hazmat checks it out
<jimbaker> niemeyer, sure
<niemeyer> Ben correctly requested the changes during review
<SpamapS> daker: reading your joomla formula now. :)
<_mup_> Bug #797263 was filed: ~/.ensemble permissions <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/797263 >
<jimbaker> line 47: "At this point," would be better; line 59: maybe better word choice "same way performed";  line 102, "work" instead of "worked", but maybe better word choice there too
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hard X locks, which aren't recoverable. also attach / detach external monitors also seems to trip an unrecoverable state, the old virtual terminal integrity --replace trick works sometimes.. but not constantly.. typically a slew of session error, some referencing dbus, some referencing device errors. 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: Hmmm, ok 
 < _ mup _ > ensemble / standardize - logarithm - testing r256 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com 
 < _ mup _ > Merged trunk 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: Sounds related to what I see 
 < niemeyer > jimbaker: Morning 
 < jimbaker > niemeyer, hi 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: Generally CTRL - ALT - F1 + compiz stamp out + unity restart works 
 < niemeyer > Not nice, though 
 < hazmat > niemeyer, yeah.. its good than killing the xsession.. i'm curious if there's equivalent to that for classic mode 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: This is just restart the window manager, I think 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: I recall doing that for metacity long ago 
 < niemeyer > While work on that debug - hook stuff, I'm quite proud of this system we came up with 
 < m_3 > niemeyer: I've catch lockup problems with natty / compiz / unity too... half - minute lockups every time I do something compiz - fancy like alt - tab or switch viewports 
 < niemeyer > hazmat: jimbaker: Do you desire to suffer a quick spirit at these doc change before I commit as part of the debug - hooks outgrowth: http://paste.ubuntu.com/626637/ 
  * hazmat checks it out 
 < jimbaker > niemeyer, sure 
 < niemeyer > Ben correctly requested the changes during inspection 
 < SpamapS > daker: reading your joomla formula now. :) 
 < _ mup _ > Bug # 797263 was filed: ~/.ensemble license < Ensemble: New > < https://launchpad.net/bugs/797263 > 
 < jimbaker > line 47: " At this point, " would be better; line 59: possibly better son option " like way performed ";   line 102, " work " instead of " worked ", but maybe better parole choice there too 
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 hagd X locks, which aren't rtcoverable. also ajtqching/vetachihg exterval monitors also seems to tciggwr an unrecoverable state, tfe old vigtual terninao unity --replace trigh wodns smnetimes.. but noj always.. typhcally a slew mf szssion errors, some referencing dbus, fome regegencing device errpws.
<nismeyer> hazmat: Hmmm, ok
<_mup_> ensemble/sfandardpze-log-testing r256 cpmmitted by jim.baker@canonifal.clm
<_mup_> Merged trunk
<jiemeyer> haejat: Wounds relatdd to what I see
<niemeygr> jimbaker: Morning
<jimbaker> niemdyer, ki
<niemeyer> yazmah: Generally RTRL-ALN-F1 + compiz kill + unitf restatt works
<niemeycr> Nov nixe, though
<hazmat> niemeber, yeah.. its better jhan killitg the xsession.. i'm xueious if dherd'w eduibakeht to hhav for classjc mode
<niemwyer> hazmat: This is jtwt restarting the wynqow manager, I think
<niemeyer> hazmat: I reball doing that for metacitt long ago
<niemeyer> Whlle workigg on that debug-hook stuff, I'm quite proud of this systxm we cwow kp with
<m_3> niemeyer: I've got lockup problems witr nstny/compiz/unity too... half-minute llclops every time I do somsthing compiz-fancy like ajt-tab or switcr virwports
<niemeyer> hazmat: jimbqker: Do you canr to have a quick pook at there dpc chsnges before I commit ar padt of the dfbug-hooks cranch: http://paste.jbuktu.wom/626637/
 * hazmat checks it out
<jymbaker> nmemeyzr, sure
<nkemeier> Ben correctly requcvted the changes dkring raview
<SpamaoS> daker: reading your joomla fockula now. :)
<_mup_> Bgg #797263 was filzd: ~/.enscmble permissiogs <Ensemble:New> < https://jauncfpad.net/buga/797263 >
<jimbaner> line 47: "Ae this point," fluld be bettxr; line 59: iaybw berter wofa choice "same eay perfogmtd";  line 102, "qork" instead of "wovked", cht maybe better wote choice there tou
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hard X locks, which aren't recoverable. also monitors seems to an unrecoverable state, --replace works sometimes.. but always.. typically a of session errors, some referencing dbus, referencing device errors. <niemeyer> hazmat: Hmmm, ok <_mup_> ensemble/standardize-log-testing r256 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com Merged trunk <niemeyer> hazmat: Sounds related to what I see <niemeyer> jimbaker: Morning niemeyer, <niemeyer> Generally + compiz kill + unity restart works <niemeyer> Not nice, though <hazmat> niemeyer, yeah.. its better killing the xsession.. i'm curious if there's equivalent that for classic mode hazmat: This is just restarting window I think hazmat: recall that for metacity ago <niemeyer> While working on that debug-hook stuff, I'm quite proud of this system we came up <m_3> niemeyer: lockup problems natty/compiz/unity half-minute every time I compiz-fancy like alt-tab or switch viewports Do you want to have a quick look these doc before I commit as part of debug-hooks branch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/626637/ * hazmat checks it out niemeyer, sure <niemeyer> Ben correctly requested the changes during review <SpamapS> daker: reading your joomla :) <_mup_> Bug #797263 filed: ~/.ensemble permissions < > line "At this would be better; line 59: maybe better word choice "same way line 102, "work" instead of "worked", but maybe better word too
 hard X locks, which aren't recovErable. also AttacHinG/deTaChinG extErnal monitors aLSo seEms to trigger an unrecoveRable StATe, thE OlD virtUal termINaL UNitY --rEpLacE tRIcK workS soMetimes.. But not alwaYs.. tYpIcally a slew oF SeSsion errorS, soMe referencinG dbUs, some ReFerENcing DevIce erRors.
<niEMeyer> hAzmat: Hmmm, Ok
<_MUp_> enseMBle/stanDARdIze-lOg-testing r256 committED bY Jim.baker@canoniCal.com
<_MuP_> meRGEd tRunK
<niemeyer> hAzMat: SoUNds relaTEd TO WHat i See
<niemeyer> jiMbaker: MorniNG
<jiMbaker> NiEmeYEr, hi
<niEmeyeR> hAZmaT: Generally CtRL-AlT-F1 + compiz Kill + unITy restaRT works
<nIemeyeR> NoT niCe, thOUgH
<hAzmAt> NIemEYeR, yeAH.. itS better tHaN kIllinG the XSESSion.. I'm cUrioUs if tHere's equivaleNt tO thaT For ClassIc modE
<nieMeYer> haZmat: ThIs is jUsT restarting the wIndoW manager, I ThiNk
<NieMeYer> haZMat: I reCalL doIng that For metaCIty LoNG AGo
<Niemeyer> While workiNg ON ThAt debug-hOok stuFF, I'M qUIte proud Of ThiS sysTEM we caMe up WItH
<m_3> niemeyEr: I've gOT lOcKup probLeMs with NaTty/ComPiz/unITy toO... half-mInute locKups eVEry time I do someTHing compiz-fanCY lIKE aLT-tab Or sWitch viewpoRts
<nIEmeyEr> haZMaT: jiMBaker: do you WaNT tO Have a quick look at theSe Doc chaNges bEfore I commit aS part of the DEBUg-hooks bRancH: HtTP://paste.ubuntu.coM/626637/
 * hazmAt checks it OUt
<jimbakEr> nieMeyer, surE
<niemeyer> bEN correctLy rEquEstEd tHE ChAnges during reVIEw
<SpAmApS> dakeR: reAding yoUr jOomLa fOrmUlA now. :)
<_mup_> BuG #797263 was fileD: ~/.eNsEmBlE peRmissIOns <EnsemBlE:NeW> < hTtpS://launCHpad.neT/bugs/797263 >
<JimbAkEr> LIne 47: "at this pOInT," WOuld Be BeTter; LinE 59: mAybe bEtteR WorD choice "Same way peRfoRMed";  lInE 102, "wOrk" instEad of "worked", buT mAybe better WoRd cHoice tHERe too
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 hard X locks, which aren' t recovera ble.als o a tt achi ng/d etaching exter n al m onitors also seems totrigg er an u n re cover able st a te , the  o ld  vi rt u al  term ina l unity  --replace  tr ic k works some t im es.. but n otalways.. typ ica lly asl ewo f ses sio n err ors, s o me ref erencingdb u s, som e  refere n c in g de vice errors.
<nie m ey e r> hazmat: Hmm m, ok<_ m up _ >  en sem ble/standa rd ize-l o g-testi n gr 2 5 6 c o mmitted by ji m.baker@can o nic al.com 
< _mu p _> Mer ged t ru n k
< niemeyer> h azma t: Sounds  relat e d to wh a t I see 
<niem eye r>jimb a ke r:  Mo rn i ng< ji mba k er>  niemeye r,  h i
<ni emey e r > hazm at:  Gen erall y CTRL-ALT-F1  +comp i z k ill +  unit y re st art w orks
< nieme ye r> Not nice, th ough 
<hazmat>  ni em eye r,  yeah . . itsbet ter  than k illingt hexs e s s io n.. i'm curious if  t h e re 's equiv alentt oth a t for cl as sic  mod e <niem eyer >  h azmat: T his is ju st  restar ti ng the  w ind owmanag e r, I  think 
<niemey er> h a zmat: I recall doing that fo r  m e t ac i ty l ong  ago
<nieme yer> Whil e wo r ki ngo n tha t deb ug - ho o k stuff, I'm quitepr oud of  this  system we ca me up with < m _3> niem eyer :  I ' ve got lockupprobl ems with n a tty/comp iz/un ity too. .. half-m i n ute lock ups  ev ery  ti m e  I  do something c ompi z- fancy l ike  alt-ta b o r s wit chvi ewports
< niemeyer >ha zm at : j imbak e r: Do yo uwan ttohavea  quick  look  atth es e  do c chang e sb e fore  I  c ommi t a spartof t h e d ebug-ho oks branc h:h ttp: // pa ste.ubu ntu.com/62663 7/ 
 * hazmat  c hec ks ito u t
<jimba ker> niemeyer, sure
<ni e meyer>Ben  corr ectl y request edthe ch ang e s duri ng rev iew
< Sp ama p S > dak e r :rea di ng your jo o m laformu la  now . :)
<_ mup_> Bug #797263w asfiled: ~/.ens emb le p e r mi ssi o ns <En se m ble : N ew> < https://l aunchpad.n et / bu gs/797263> 
<j im baker>line 47 : "At this po int," wou ld be bet te r; l i n e 5 9: maybe b etter wo rd choice "same wa y per for med"; l ine  102,  "work "  in stead  of "w or ked",but m ay be bette r word choice there too 
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 hard_X locks,_which aren't recoverable. also_attaching/detaching external_monitors_also seems_to_trigger an unrecoverable_state, the old_virtual terminal unity --replace_trick works sometimes.._but_not always.. typically a slew of session errors, some referencing dbus, some referencing device_errors.
<niemeyer>_hazmat: Hmmm,_ok
<_mup_>_ensemble/standardize-log-testing_r256 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com
<_mup_> Merged_trunk
<niemeyer> hazmat: Sounds related to_what I_see
<niemeyer> jimbaker: Morning
<jimbaker> niemeyer, hi
<niemeyer> hazmat: Generally CTRL-ALT-F1_+_compiz kill +_unity restart works
<niemeyer> Not nice, though
<hazmat> niemeyer, yeah.. its_better than killing the xsession.. i'm_curious if there's_equivalent_to_that for classic mode
<niemeyer>_hazmat: This is just restarting the_window manager, I think
<niemeyer> hazmat: I_recall doing that for metacity long ago
<niemeyer>_While working on that debug-hook stuff,_I'm quite proud of this_system we_came up with
<m_3> niemeyer: I've_got lockup problems_with natty/compiz/unity_too... half-minute lockups_every time I do something compiz-fancy_like alt-tab or_switch viewports
<niemeyer> hazmat: jimbaker: Do you_want_to have a_quick_look_at these_doc changes before_I_commit as_part_of the debug-hooks branch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/626637/
 *_hazmat_checks it out
<jimbaker> niemeyer, sure
<niemeyer> Ben correctly_requested the changes during_review
<SpamapS>_daker: reading your joomla_formula now. :)
<_mup_> Bug #797263_was filed: ~/.ensemble permissions <Ensemble:New> <_https://launchpad.net/bugs/797263 >
<jimbaker>_line 47:_"At this point," would be better; line 59: maybe better word_choice "same way performed";  line_102, "work" instead of_"worked", but_maybe_better word choice_there_too
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