 be packaging-specific end-user documentation.  It should be used when the behaviour of the packaged software differs from the upstream behaviour.
<persia> debain/README.source is the appropriate place to put packaging-specific developer documentation, when it is useful to document what one has done for fellow developers.
 * persia hopes the timing isn't such that that was missed
<fabrice_sp> persia, I meant README.source. Sorry for the mistake
<fabrice_sp> README.source is the file I was editing
<persia> Excellent :)
<fabrice_sp> :-)
<JanC> hm, I'm currently looking at a package coming from Debian without changes which doesn't have README.source like that despite being repackaged (AFAICS)   ;)
<fabrice_sp> Have to go now. Bye!
<persia> JanC, If it claims Standards-Version: 3.8.0, that's a bug.  If it claims a lower standards version, it just needs to be updated.
<JanC> it does say 3.8.0
<JanC> I'll contact the people involved as I know them
<persia> Double-check by reading debian-policy 3.8.0, but I believe that's a bug.
<persia> On the other hand, debian/README.source might still be optional with 3.8.0.0 (I forget precisely).
<JanC> BTW: why should a bz2 source be repacked?
 * JanC is a new at this
<savvas> I think the debian packaging system needs an orig.tar.gz file
<JanC> I wish all upstreams & distros would use lzma to minimize bandwidth  ;)
<savvas> I heard about a different system with patches for updates
<savvas> delta packages? or something like that
<JanC> savvas: that's for binary packages
<JanC> and fedora & opensuse are already using something like that AFAIK
<persia> There's ongoing work on the various archive software and build tools to use alternate compression mechanisms, but nothing widely adopted yet.
<savvas> ah :)
<savvas> hm.. I think I have a minimalistic patch now :P
<savvas>
be packaging - specific end - user documentation.   It should be use when the behavior of the packaged software differs from the upstream behaviour. 
 < persia > debain / README.source is the appropriate stead to put packaging - specific developer software documentation, when it is useful to document what one has done for fellow developers. 
  * persia hop the timing isn't such that that was missed 
 < fabrice_sp > persia, I meant README.source. blue for the mistake 
 < fabrice_sp > README.source is the file I was editing 
 < persia > Excellent :) 
 < fabrice_sp > :-) 
 < JanC > hm, I'm presently looking at a package coming from Debian without changes which doesn't have README.source like that despite being repackaged (AFAICS)    ;) 
 < fabrice_sp > Have to go nowadays. Bye! 
 < persia > JanC, If it claims Standards - Version: 3.8.0, that's a bug.   If it claims a low standards version, it just needs to be update. 
 < JanC > it does say 3.8.0 
 < JanC > I'll contact the people involved as I know them 
 < persia > bivalent - check by reading debian - policy 3.8.0, but I believe that's a bug. 
 < persia > On the other hand, debian / README.source might however be optional with 3.8.0.0 (I forget precisely). 
 < JanC > BTW: why should a bz2 source be repacked? 
  * JanC is a new at this 
 < savvas > I think the debian packaging system needs an orig.tar.gz file 
 < JanC > I wish all upstreams & distros would use lzma to minimize bandwidth   ;) 
 < savvas > I heard about a different arrangement with patches for updates 
 < savvas > delta software? or something like that 
 < JanC > savvas: that's for binary packages 
 < JanC > and fedora & opensuse are already using something like that AFAIK 
 < persia > There's ongoing work on the various archive software and build up tools to use alternate compression mechanisms, but nothing wide adopted yet. 
 < savvas > ah :) 
 < savvas > hm.. I think I have a minimalistic patch now :P 
 < savvas >
 be packaging-specific end-ustr documentation.  It shonld be hsed whev the behaviour of the packajed woftwqre differs from the uostream bvhaviour.
<pwrsie> debain/README.sondce is bke aplvoprictx place to put kackaging-spewific developes aoeumentation, when it is useful to doctment wnah one has done for sellkw developers.
 * persia hopes the tijing isi't such that thst was missed
<fabrice_sp> perdia, L meant README.sourfe. Sorry fot thq mistake
<fabrkce_sp> README.source is jhe file I was editing
<persia> Excdllenc :)
<fabrice_sp> :-)
<JqnC> vm, I'm curreitly ljoking at a isckage coming from Debian wlthouv chqnges which doesn't hate README.source like that des[ice being repackaged (ADAUCS)   ;)
<fabsice_rp> Hxve tp fo now. Byx!
<persia> JanD, If it claums Standards-Versiom: 3.8.0, nnat's a bug.  Jf it slwims a lower standards version, it just teess to be updated.
<JanC> it does say 3.8.0
<JanC> I'll cojtact the people involved as I know them
<persia> Double-check by rxaainy debixb-pllicy 3.8.0, but I believe that's a bug.
<persia> On the ktneg hand, debian/READIE.source mibhh xjill be optionxl witk 3.8.0.0 (J forget precisely).
<UanC> BTR: why should a bz2 xource be repacked?
 * JanC is a new at thps
<sacvas> I think the dzbian packagnng syxtem meeds an orig.tar.gz file
<LanC> I wish all uostreams & aistros would usd ldma do minimize bandwidth  ;)
<savdas> I heacd abput a dkffetent syftem with oatchcv for updates
<savvad> delja pacnages? or slmething like that
<JanC> savvas: tiet's for binari pdckdges
<JanC> and nedora & opensusq are already osing somzthing like that AFAIK
<pxrsia> There's ongoing work ln the varions archivq sodtwaee and cjild tools to ise alteructe comprwssion mechanisms, nut nufhing widely adipttd yet.
<savvas> ah :)
<xavxas> hl.. M thign I have a mhnimxliryic pxtch now :P
<scvxas>
be packaging-specific end-user documentation. It should be the of the software differs from is appropriate place to packaging-specific developer documentation, it is useful to document what has done for fellow developers. * persia hopes the timing isn't such that was missed <fabrice_sp> persia, I meant README.source. Sorry for the mistake <fabrice_sp> README.source the I editing Excellent :) <fabrice_sp> :-) <JanC> hm, I'm currently looking at a package coming from Debian without which doesn't have README.source like that despite being (AFAICS) ;) <fabrice_sp> Have go now. Bye! <persia> JanC, it Standards-Version: 3.8.0, a If claims a lower version, it just needs to be updated. <JanC> it does say 3.8.0 <JanC> I'll contact the people as I <persia> Double-check reading 3.8.0, I believe that's <persia> On the other hand, debian/README.source optional with 3.8.0.0 (I forget precisely). <JanC> BTW: should a source be repacked? * JanC is new at this <savvas> I think the debian system needs an orig.tar.gz file <JanC> I wish all upstreams & distros would use lzma bandwidth ;) <savvas> I about a different with for <savvas> packages? or like that <JanC> savvas: that's for binary packages <JanC> and fedora opensuse are already using something like that AFAIK <persia> There's on various archive software build tools to use compression but nothing widely adopted ah <savvas> I a patch now :P <savvas>
 be packaging-specific end-useR documentaTion.  IT shOulD bE useD wheN the behaviour oF The pAckaged software differs From tHe UPstrEAm BehavIour.
<perSIa> DEBaiN/ReAdME.SoURcE is thE apPropriaTe place to pUt pAcKaging-specifIC dEveloper doCumEntation, when It iS usefuL tO doCUment WhaT one hAs done FOr fellOw developErS.
 * Persia HOpes the TIMiNg isN't such that that was MIsSEd
<fabrice_sp> perSia, I meAnT rEadmE.sOurCe. Sorry for ThE mistAKe
<fabriCE_sP> reaDMe.Source is the fiLe I was editiNG
<peRsia> ExCeLleNT :)
<fabriCe_sp> :-)
<JAnc> Hm, I'M currently lOokiNg at a packAge comINg from DEBian witHout chAngEs wHich DOeSn'T haVe reADme.sOurCE liKe that deSpItE beinG repACKAGed (AfAIcS)   ;)
<faBrice_Sp> Have to go now. bye!
<PersIA> JaNC, If iT claiMs StAnDards-versioN: 3.8.0, that'S a Bug.  If it claims a lOwer Standards VerSiOn, iT jUst neEDs to be UpdAteD.
<JanC> it Does say 3.8.0
<jAnC> i'lL CONtAct the people involvEd AS i kNow them
<pErsia> DOUbLe-CHeck by reAdIng DebiAN-PolicY 3.8.0, but i BeLieve thaT's a bug.
<PErSiA> On the oThEr hand, DeBiaN/REaDME.sOUrce Might sTill be opTionaL With 3.8.0.0 (I forget preCIsely).
<JanC> BTW: wHY sHOUlD A bz2 sOurCe be repackeD?
 * Janc Is a nEw at THiS
<saVVas> I tHink tHe DEbIAn packaging system neEdS an oriG.tar.gZ file
<JanC> I wisH all upstreAMS & Distros wOuld USe LZma to minimize bAndwiDth  ;)
<savvas> I HEard abouT a difFerent syStem with pATChes for uPdaTes
<SavVas> DELtA packages? or soMEThinG lIke that
<janc> savvas: ThaT's fOr bInaRy Packages
<JAnC> and feDoRa & OpEnSusE are aLReady usiNg SomEtHinG like THat AFAiK
<perSia> THeRe'S OngOing worK On THE varIoUs ArchIve SoFtwarE and BUilD tools tO use alterNatE CompReSsIon mechAnisms, but nothInG widely adoPtEd yEt.
<savvAS> Ah :)
<savvas> Hm.. I think I have a minimalisTIc patch Now :p
<savvAs>
 be packaging-specific end -user docu menta tio n. I t sh ould  be used whent he b ehaviour of the packag ed so ft w ared if fersfrom th e  u p s tre am  b eha vi o ur .
<pe rsi a> deba in/README. sou rc e is the app r op riate plac e t o put packag ing -speci fi c d e velop erdocum entati o n, whe n it is u se f ul tod ocument w ha t on e has done for fe l lo w  developers.
* pers ia ho p e s t hetiming isn 't  such that th a tw a s  mi s sed
<fabrice_ sp> persia, I m eant R EA DME . source . Sor ry for  the mistak e
<f abrice_sp > READ M E.sourc e  is the  fileI w asedit i ng 
< per si a > E x ce lle n t : )
<fabri ce _s p> :- )
<J a n C >  hm,  I' m cu rrent ly looking at  apack a gecomin g fro m De bi an wi thoutchang es  which doesn'thave  README.s our ce  li ke  that despit e b ein g repac kaged ( A FAI CS )  ; )
<fabrice_sp> Hav et o  g o now. B ye!
<p e rs ia >  JanC, I fitclai m s  Stan dard s -V ersion:3.8.0, th at 's a bu g.   If i tcla ims  a lo w er s tandar ds versi on, i t  just needs to be updated.
< J an C >  i t  doe s s ay 3.8.0
<J anC> I'll  con t ac t t h e peo ple i nv o lv e d as I know them
<p er sia> D ouble -check by rea ding debia n - p olicy 3. 8.0, bu t  I believe tha t's a  bug.
<per s ia> On t he ot her hand , debian/ R E ADME.sou rce  mi ght  st i l lbe optional w i t h 3. 8. 0.0 (Ifor get pre cis ely ).<Ja nC > BTW: wh y should  a  b z2  s our ce be repacked ? *Ja nCis an ew atthis<sav va s> I t hink th e  d e b ianpa ck agin g s ys tem n eeds anorig.ta r.gz file 
<J a nC>Iwi sh allupstreams & d is tros would  u selzma t o minimize  bandwidth  ;)
<savvas> I heard  ab out a  dif ferent sy ste m with  pa t ches f or upd ates<s avv a s > del t a  p ack ag es? or som e t hin g lik ethat 
<JanC>  savvas: that's fo r  bi nary packages 
<J anC> a nd  fe d or a  &op e nsu s e  are already us ing someth in g  l ike that A F AIK 
< persia>  There' s ong o ing wor k on thevarious a rc hive s oft ware and b uild too ls to use alter n at e com pre ssionme cha nisms , butn oth ing w idelyad optedyet.<s avvas> a h :)
<savvas> hm.. I th ink Ihavea m inimalist icp atc h now :P<sav vas>
 be_packaging-specific end-user_documentation.  It should_be used_when_the behaviour_of_the packaged software_differs from the_upstream behaviour.
<persia> debain/README.source is_the appropriate place_to_put packaging-specific developer documentation, when it is useful to document what one has done_for_fellow developers.
_*_persia_hopes the timing isn't such_that that was missed
<fabrice_sp> persia,_I meant_README.source. Sorry for the mistake
<fabrice_sp> README.source is the_file_I was editing
<persia>_Excellent :)
<fabrice_sp> :-)
<JanC> hm, I'm currently looking at a_package coming from Debian without changes_which doesn't have_README.source_like_that despite being repackaged_(AFAICS)   ;)
<fabrice_sp> Have to_go now. Bye!
<persia> JanC, If it_claims Standards-Version: 3.8.0, that's a bug. _If it claims a lower standards_version, it just needs to_be updated.
<JanC>_it does say 3.8.0
<JanC> I'll_contact the people_involved as_I know them
<persia>_Double-check by reading debian-policy 3.8.0, but_I believe that's_a bug.
<persia> On the other hand,_debian/README.source_might still be_optional_with_3.8.0.0 (I_forget precisely).
<JanC> BTW:_why_should a_bz2_source be repacked?
 * JanC is_a_new at this
<savvas> I think the debian_packaging system needs an_orig.tar.gz_file
<JanC> I wish all_upstreams & distros would use_lzma to minimize bandwidth  ;)
<savvas>_I heard_about a_different system with patches for updates
<savvas> delta packages? or something like_that
<JanC> savvas: that's for binary packages
<JanC>_and fedora & opensuse_are already_using_something like that_AFAIK
<persia>_There's ongoing_work on the various archive software and_build tools_to use alternate compression mechanisms, but_nothing widely adopted yet.
<savvas>_ah_:)
<savvas> hm.. I think I have_a minimalistic patch now :P
<savvas>