o> The reasons for which should be self explanetory.
<TheMuso> StevenK: Thats main
<imbrandon> basicly it boils down to 3 things imho, not to start a fight but crimsun put it best, 1) it was in edgy the same way, to remove it now would be a regression 2) this isnt the first expirmental packages in universe 3) its not the damn MC charter to decide whats in universe about ANY package, KDE or not
<Hobbsee> StevenK: look at synaptic, that's similarly bad, iirc.
* Hobbsee now doesnt really care what happens
<LaserJock> imbrandon: it's also not the KC charter to decide a UVFe for Universe packages
<Fujitsu> imbrandon: I think it is somewhat the MC's role to decide on something big like this.
<Fujitsu> What LaserJock said.
<TheMuso> Anyways, got an audio meeting in 7 hours, better get some sleep.
<StevenK> Can we not move the argument to IRC, please?
<imbrandon> LaserJock, right, thats why it was a request
<Hobbsee> whatever the MOTU council decide goes, no point trying to say anything else.  </end>
<TheMuso> Cya folks.
<StevenK> TheMuso: Night.
<imbrandon> laster 
<Fujitsu> Night TheMuso.
<imbrandon> later*
<LaserJock> Hobbsee: the MC shouldn't and I don't think is deciding
<pochu> TheMuso: bye!
<LaserJock> I think it's become a bit bigger issue than it needed to be
<LaserJock> it's really not KC vs. MC and it's not MOTU vs. KDE
<LaserJock> it's about figuring out the best way to get those packages and maintain Feisty Universe
<imbrandon> LaserJock, but its total BS why it comes up now when its been this way the better part of a year
<imbrandon> and from people that dont touch KDE with a long pointy stick
<LaserJock> that's silly
<LaserJock> most couldn't care less if it was KDE or not
o > The reasons for which should be self explanetory. 
 < TheMuso > StevenK: That s main 
 < imbrandon > basicly it boils down to 3 things imho, not to depart a battle but crimsun put it best, 1) it was in edgy the same means, to remove it now would be a arrested development 2) this is nt the first expirmental packages in universe 3) its not the blasted MC charter to decide what s in population about ANY package, KDE or not 
 < Hobbsee > StevenK: look at synaptic, that's similarly regretful, iirc. 
 * Hobbsee now does nt really manage what happen 
 < LaserJock > imbrandon: it's also not the KC charter to decide a UVFe for Universe software 
 < Fujitsu > imbrandon: I think it is somewhat the MC's function to decide on something big like this. 
 < Fujitsu > What LaserJock said. 
 < TheMuso > Anyways, got an audio confluence in 7 hours, better get some sleep. 
 < StevenK > Can we not travel the argument to IRC, please? 
 < imbrandon > LaserJock, right, that s why it was a request 
 < Hobbsee > whatever the MOTU council decide goes, no point trying to say anything else.   < /end > 
 < TheMuso > Cya folk. 
 < StevenK > TheMuso: Night. 
 < imbrandon > laster 
 < Fujitsu > Night TheMuso. 
 < imbrandon > later * 
 < LaserJock > Hobbsee: the MC shouldn't and I don't think is deciding 
 < pochu > TheMuso: bye! 
 < LaserJock > I think it's become a bit boastful issue than it needed to be 
 < LaserJock > it's really not KC vs. MC and it's not MOTU vs. KDE 
 < LaserJock > it's about figuring out the best way to get those packages and maintain Feisty Universe 
 < imbrandon > LaserJock, but its total bachelor of science why it comes up now when its been this room the good part of a year 
 < imbrandon > and from people that do nt tint KDE with a long pointy stick 
 < LaserJock > that's silly 
 < LaserJock > most couldn't care less if it was KDE or not
o> Tje reasons for which shomld be self explcbetory.
<VheMuso> StevenK: Thats main
<imbrandon> basicly ir boios down to 3 things imhu, not to dtart a dighu but crimsun put it best, 1) it wzd in xdgy the same wsy, to remoee it now woulg ce a regression 2) this isnt the first qxpirmemtwl packages in uninewse 3) ptw not the damn MC charter to secide xhats in univerxe about ANY package, KDE og noh
<Hobbsee> StevenK: llok at synakfic, rhat's similafly bad, iige.
* Hobbsee nkw doesnt really care what happdns
<LaxerJock> imvrqndlt: it's also iot thv KC charter bp decige a UVGe for Universc pacnagws
<Fujitsu> imbrandon: I think it is somewrat the MW's role to decide ob wometving big oikd tgix.
<Fhjitsu> Whet LaserJoci said.
<TheMuwo> Anyways, got an aidyi meeting in 7 hours, bqtter get some sleep.
<StevenK> Can we not kovs the argument to IRC, poease?
<imbrandon> LaserJlck, right, thats why it was a request
<Hobbsee> whatever the MMTU ckjncno deckee goes, no point trying to say anything else.  </egs>
<TneKuso> Cya folks.
<FtevenK> TheKudo: Gight.
<imbrandov> lastzd 
<Rujitsu> Night TheMkso.
<imbrwndon> later*
<LastrJocl> Hobbsee: the MC shouldn't abd I don't thpnk us deciding
<pochu> TkeMuso: bye!
<LarerJpck> I think it's become a bit bigfer issue tjan it nesaed to be
<LaserJozk> pt's seally not KC vs. MC and it'f not MOTN vs. LDE
<LasefJocl> it's wbout figuging out the best way to get jhose [ackages ajd maintain Feisty Universe
<imbreidon> LaserJocl, tut its totcl BS ehy it comes tp now when itx been chis wxy the betner part mf a year
<imfrandon> and fslm people thet dont tjuch KDE with a uong pointy stock
<LaserJock> that's willy
<LaserJock> mosb couusn't care less iy ut was KDE or npt
o> The reasons for which should be <TheMuso> Thats main basicly it boils not start a fight crimsun put it 1) it was in edgy the way, to remove it now would be a regression 2) this isnt the expirmental packages in universe 3) its not the damn MC charter to decide in about package, or not <Hobbsee> StevenK: look at synaptic, that's similarly bad, iirc. * Hobbsee now doesnt really what happens <LaserJock> imbrandon: it's also not the charter to decide a for Universe packages <Fujitsu> imbrandon: think is somewhat MC's to on something big this. <Fujitsu> What LaserJock said. <TheMuso> Anyways, got an audio meeting in 7 hours, better get some <StevenK> Can move the to please? LaserJock, right, thats was a request <Hobbsee> whatever the goes, no point trying to say anything else. <TheMuso> Cya <StevenK> TheMuso: Night. <imbrandon> laster <Fujitsu> TheMuso. <imbrandon> later* <LaserJock> Hobbsee: the MC shouldn't I don't think is deciding <pochu> TheMuso: bye! <LaserJock> I think it's become a bit than it needed to <LaserJock> it's really KC MC it's MOTU vs. <LaserJock> it's about figuring out the best way to get those and maintain Feisty Universe <imbrandon> LaserJock, but its total BS comes now when its this way the better of year <imbrandon> and from dont KDE pointy <LaserJock> silly <LaserJock> most couldn't less if it was KDE not
o> The reasons for which should Be self explAnetoRy.
<THeMUsO> SteVenK: thats main
<imbraNDon> bAsicly it boils down to 3 thiNgs imHo, NOt to STaRt a fiGht but cRImSUN puT iT bEst, 1) It WAs In edgY thE same waY, to remove iT noW wOuld be a regreSSiOn 2) this isnt The First expirmeNtaL packaGeS in UNiverSe 3) iTs not The damN mC charTer to deciDe WHats in UNiverse ABOuT ANY Package, KDE or not
<HoBBsEE> StevenK: look at SynaptIc, THaT'S SimIlaRly bad, iirc.
* hoBbsee NOw doesnT ReALLY caRE what happens
<LAserJock> imbRAndOn: it's aLsO noT The KC cHarteR tO DecIde a UVFe for univErse packaGes
<FujITsu> imbrANdon: I thInk it iS soMewHat tHE Mc's RolE tO DecIDe On sOMetHing big lIkE tHis.
<FuJitsU> wHAT LasErJOck sAid.
<ThEMuso> Anyways, gOt aN audIO meEting In 7 houRs, beTtEr get Some slEep.
<StEvEnK> Can we not move The aRgument to iRC, PlEasE?
<iMbranDOn> LaseRJoCk, rIght, thaTs why it WAs a ReQUESt
<hobbsee> whatever the mOtu CoUncil decIde goeS, No PoINt trying To Say AnytHINg elsE.  </end>
<tHemuso> Cya fOlks.
<StEVeNK> theMuso: niGht.
<imbRaNdoN> laSter 
<FUJitsU> Night theMuso.
<iMbranDOn> later*
<LaserJoCK> Hobbsee: the MC SHoULDn'T And I Don'T think is decIdinG
<PochU> ThemUsO: byE!
<laserjock> I ThINk IT's become a bit bigger iSsUe than It neeDed to be
<LaserJOck> it's realLY NOt KC vs. MC And iT'S nOT MOTU vs. KDE
<LaseRJock> It's about fiGUring out The beSt way to gEt those paCKAges and mAinTaiN FeIstY uNiVerse
<imbrandoN> lAserjoCk, but itS toTal BS whY it ComEs uP noW wHen its beeN this way ThE bEtTeR paRt of a YEar
<imbraNdOn> aNd FroM peopLE that dOnt toUch KdE WiTH a lOng poinTY sTICk
<LaSeRJOck> tHat'S sIlly
<LAserjOck> Most couLdn't care lEss IF it wAs kDe or not
o> The reasons for which s hould be s elf e xpl ane to ry.<The Muso> StevenK: That s main
<imbrandon> bas iclyit boil s  d own t o 3 thi n gs i mho ,no t t os ta rt afig ht butcrimsun pu t i tbest, 1) itw as  in edgy t hesame way, to  re move i tnow would  be  a re gressi o n 2) t his isntth e  first expirme n t al  pac kages in universe 3) its not the da mn MCch a rt e r  to  de cide whats  i n uni v erse ab o ut A N Y p a ckage, KDE or  not
<Hobbs e e>Steven K:  lo o k at s ynapt ic ,  th at's simila rlybad, iirc .
* Ho b bsee no w  doesnt  reall y c are  wha t  h ap pen s< Las e rJ ock >  im brandon:  i t' s als o no t t h e KC  ch arte r todecide a UVFe  fo r Un i ver se pa ckage s
<F uj itsu>  imbra ndon:  I  think it is so mewh at the MC 'sro leto  deci d e on s ome thi ng biglike th i s.<F u j i ts u> What LaserJocksa i d .<TheMuso > Anyw a ys ,g ot an au di o m eeti n g  in 7  hou r s,  betterget so m esl eep.
<S te venK>Ca n w e n ot mo v e th e argu ment toIRC,p lease?
<imbran d on> LaserJock ,  r i g ht ,  tha tswhy it wasa re q uest 
<Ho b bs ee> whate ver t he MO T U council decide go es , no p ointtrying to say  anythinge l s e.  </en d>
< T he M uso> Cya folks .
<St evenK> The M uso: Nig ht.
< imbrando n> laster <Fujitsu > N igh t T heM u s o. 
<imbrandon>l a ter* 
< LaserJo ck>  Hobbse e:the  MC  sh ou ldn't and  I don't  t hi nk  i s d ecidi n g
<pochu >The Mu so:  bye! <Laser Jock>  I t hi nk it' s becom e  a b it b ig ge r is sue  t han i t ne e ded  to be<LaserJoc k>i t'sre al ly notKC vs. MC and  i t's not MO TU  vs . KDE< L aserJock > it's about figuring o u t the b est  wayto g et thosepac kagesand mainta in Fei sty U ni ver s e 
<imb r a nd on>  L aserJock,b u t i ts to ta l BS  why it  comes up now when its  been this wa y t he b e t te r p a rt ofay ear < imbrandon> andfrom peopl et ha t dont tou c h K DE  with a  long p ointy stick
< LaserJock > that'ssi lly< L ase rJock> mos t couldn 't care l e ss if it  wasKDE  or no t
o> The_reasons for_which should be self_explanetory.
<TheMuso> StevenK:_Thats_main
<imbrandon> basicly_it_boils down to_3 things imho,_not to start a_fight but crimsun_put_it best, 1) it was in edgy the same way, to remove it now_would_be a_regression_2)_this isnt the first expirmental_packages in universe 3) its_not the_damn MC charter to decide whats in universe_about_ANY package, KDE_or not
<Hobbsee> StevenK: look at synaptic, that's similarly bad,_iirc.
* Hobbsee now doesnt really care_what happens
<LaserJock> imbrandon:_it's_also_not the KC charter_to decide a UVFe for Universe_packages
<Fujitsu> imbrandon: I think it is_somewhat the MC's role to decide on_something big like this.
<Fujitsu> What LaserJock_said.
<TheMuso> Anyways, got an audio_meeting in_7 hours, better get some_sleep.
<StevenK> Can we_not move_the argument to_IRC, please?
<imbrandon> LaserJock, right, thats why_it was a_request
<Hobbsee> whatever the MOTU council decide_goes,_no point trying_to_say_anything else._ </end>
<TheMuso> Cya_folks.
<StevenK>_TheMuso: Night.
<imbrandon>_laster_
<Fujitsu> Night TheMuso.
<imbrandon> later*
<LaserJock> Hobbsee: the_MC_shouldn't and I don't think is deciding
<pochu>_TheMuso: bye!
<LaserJock> I think_it's_become a bit bigger_issue than it needed to_be
<LaserJock> it's really not KC vs._MC and_it's not_MOTU vs. KDE
<LaserJock> it's about figuring out the best way to_get those packages and maintain Feisty_Universe
<imbrandon> LaserJock, but its_total BS_why_it comes up_now_when its_been this way the better part of_a year
<imbrandon>_and from people that dont touch_KDE with a long_pointy_stick
<LaserJock> that's silly
<LaserJock> most couldn't care_less if it was KDE or_not