 become MOTU are far more general
<lupine_85> I don't even use ubuntu as my distro ;)
<LaserJock> I think Mark's point was that they should be able to be active and their packages maintenance though
<sistpoty> tststs
<crimsun_> lupine_85: I don't either; I use Windows Vista.
<LaserJock> I'm on OS X usually ;-)
<LaserJock> ah well
* crimsun_ chuckles
<lupine_85> 3vil traitors :p. At least I'm still on debian
<LaserJock> anyway
<LaserJock> I see maybe 2 points
<crimsun_> seriously, Mark did very much point out that we're missing that one crucial inroad
<crimsun_> we need to pull in upstream maintainers just as we need to pull in general maintainers
<LaserJock> 1) having an "experimental" repo that would be like REVU but have source and binary packages
<LaserJock> 2) PPA should allow upstreams to build and test their packages and get involved more
<crimsun_> fast-tracking directly into $development's universe, however, sounds perilous
<sistpoty> crimsun_: I fully agree on the fast-tracking
<LaserJock> and I think perhaps we are beyond that
<LaserJock> lupine_85's been working today on getting the packages ready for an exception
<LaserJock> at least that's what I think is going on
<crimsun_> I see no reason why beryl shouldn't be in feisty universe
<lupine_85> LaserJock: yeah, they're in revu. Don't know if anything else needs doing to them
<crimsun_> is beryl ready for main?
<crimsun_> that means core-dev is responsible for main
<crimsun_> s/main/beryl/
<LaserJock> I'm not sure Mark want's it in Main does he?
<LaserJock> I thought he just said Universe
<crimsun_> do we then want upstreams uploading into main?
<LaserJock> but maybe he only wants that to push it to main
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become MOTU are far more general 
 < lupine_85 > I don't even use ubuntu as my distro ;) 
 < LaserJock > I think Mark's point was that they should be able to be active and their software sustenance though 
 < sistpoty > tststs 
 < crimsun _ > lupine_85: I don't either; I use Windows Vista. 
 < LaserJock > I'm on OS X usually ;-) 
 < LaserJock > ah well 
 * crimsun _ chuckles 
 < lupine_85 > 3vil double-crosser: p. At least I'm still on debian 
 < LaserJock > anyway 
 < LaserJock > I experience possibly 2 points 
 < crimsun _ > seriously, Mark did very much point out that we're missing that one all-important inroad 
 < crimsun _ > we need to pull in upstream maintainers just as we necessitate to pull in general maintainers 
 < LaserJock > 1) having an " experimental " repo that would be like REVU but have beginning and binary packages 
 < LaserJock > 2) PPA should allow upstreams to build and quiz their packages and get involved more 
 < crimsun _ > fast - tracking directly into $ growth's universe, however, sounds perilous 
 < sistpoty > crimsun _: I fully agree on the firm - tracking 
 < LaserJock > and I think perhaps we are beyond that 
 < LaserJock > lupine_85's been working today on getting the packages ready for an exception 
 < LaserJock > at least that's what I think is going on 
 < crimsun _ > I see no reason why beryl shouldn't be in feisty universe 
 < lupine_85 > LaserJock: yeah, they're in revu. Don't know if anything else needs doing to them 
 < crimsun _ > is beryl ready for chief? 
 < crimsun _ > that means core - dev is creditworthy for chief 
 < crimsun _ > s / independent / beryl/ 
 < LaserJock > I'm not sure Mark want's it in Main suffice he? 
 < LaserJock > I thought he just said Universe 
 < crimsun _ > do we then want upstreams upload into main? 
 < LaserJock > but maybe he only wants that to push it to main 
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 befome MOTU are far more gtneral
<lupine_85> I dou'r even use uguntu as my distro ;)
<LaserJock> I think Mqrk's kjint was that they should bv able to be ective and their packages mainfcnancz vhough
<sistpoty> jststs
<crimsut_> lupine_85: I don'd dicher; I use Windows Vista.
<LaserJock> I'm on OS C ksually ;-)
<LaserJjck> sr weml
* crimsun_ chuckles
<lupine_85> 3vil traifors :p. Et least I'm stikl on debian
<LaserJock> anywwy
<LaderJock> I see maybf 2 points
<crumsug_> seriously, Mxrk did vegv much poinj out that we're missing that one crucnal inroad
<ctnnsuj_> we need to pull in upstream maintaiters juxt as we need bo punl un general maintainerv
<LaserJock> 1) having an "experhmzntal" repo that would bw likg REVG bug haxe aonrcs and hinery packagea
<LaserJock> 2) PPA should allow ukstwvsms to build and tqse their packages and get involved more
<cgimshn_> fast-tracking directlt into $development's ujiverse, hjwever, sounds perilous
<sistpoty> crimsun_: I fully agsee oi ghe fwrr-tgacking
<LaserJock> and I think perhaps we are bqgomd that
<LaserJock> lupine_85's bern wptking today on gettiuf fhe packages ready for an exception
<LasewJocl> at least that's what I thibk is going jb
<crimsun_> I see no xeason why bzryl snouldm't be in feisty universz
<lupins_85> LaserJock: yeah, theg'fe in revu. Don't ynoe hf anything else needs doigg to then
<criksun_> is beril readr for main?
<frimsmt_> that means core-dfv is rasponsible for main
<crimsun_> s/main/beryl/
<LasecOock> I'm not sore Magk want's nt in Kain does he?
<LwserJock> I thooght he jbst sakd Universv
<crimsun_> vo we then wwnt upstreams oploading intm main?
<LaferJick> vut maycd he only wantx that to push it ti main
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become MOTU are far more general <lupine_85> even ubuntu as distro ;) <LaserJock> that should be able be active and packages maintenance though <sistpoty> tststs <crimsun_> I don't either; I use Windows Vista. <LaserJock> I'm on OS X usually <LaserJock> ah well * crimsun_ chuckles <lupine_85> 3vil traitors :p. At least I'm on <LaserJock> <LaserJock> see maybe 2 points <crimsun_> seriously, Mark did very much point out that we're missing that crucial inroad <crimsun_> we need to pull in maintainers just as we to pull in general maintainers 1) an "experimental" that be REVU but have and binary packages <LaserJock> 2) PPA should allow upstreams to build and test their packages and get more <crimsun_> into $development's however, perilous crimsun_: I fully the fast-tracking <LaserJock> and I think beyond that <LaserJock> lupine_85's been working today on the packages for an exception <LaserJock> at least what I think is going on <crimsun_> I no reason why beryl shouldn't be in feisty universe <lupine_85> LaserJock: yeah, they're in revu. if anything else needs to them <crimsun_> beryl for <crimsun_> means core-dev responsible for main <crimsun_> s/main/beryl/ <LaserJock> I'm not sure Mark want's in Main does he? <LaserJock> I thought he just said do then want upstreams into main? <LaserJock> but he wants that to push main
 become MOTU are far more generAl
<lupine_85> I dOn't evEn uSe uBuNtu aS my dIstro ;)
<LaserJock> i ThinK Mark's point was that they ShoulD bE Able TO bE actiVe and thEIr PACkaGeS mAinTeNAnCe thoUgh
<SistpotY> tststs
<criMsuN_> lUpine_85: I don't eiTHeR; I use WindoWs VIsta.
<LaserJocK> I'm On OS X uSuAllY ;-)
<laserjocK> ah weLl
* crimSUn_ chucKles
<lupinE_85> 3vIL traitORs :p. At leAST I'M stiLl on debian
<LaserJoCK> aNYway
<LaserJock> I See mayBe 2 POiNTS
<crImsUn_> seriouslY, MArk diD Very mucH PoINT Out THat we're missinG that one cruCIal Inroad
<CrImsUN_> we neeD to puLl IN upStream maintAineRs just as wE need tO Pull in gENeral maIntainErs
<lasErJoCK> 1) hAvIng An "EXpeRImEntAL" rePo that woUlD bE like rEVU BUT HAve sOurCe anD binaRy packages
<LasErJOck> 2) Ppa shOuld aLlow uPstrEaMs to bUild anD test ThEir packages and gEt inVolved morE
<crImSun_> FaSt-traCKing diRecTly Into $devElopmenT'S unIvERSE, hOwever, sounds periloUs
<SIStPoty> crimSun_: I fuLLy AgREe on the fAsT-trAckiNG
<laserjock> ANd i think peRhaps wE ArE bEyond thAt
<laserJOcK> luPinE_85's beeN WorkIng todAy on gettIng thE Packages ready fOR an exception
<LASeRjOcK> At leAst That's what I tHink IS goiNg on
<CRiMsuN_> i see nO reasOn WHy BEryl shouldn't be in feiStY univeRse
<luPine_85> LaserJock: Yeah, they're IN REvu. Don't kNow iF AnYThing else needs Doing To them
<crimSUn_> is beryL readY for main?
<Crimsun_> thAT Means corE-deV is ResPonSIBlE for main
<crimsUN_> S/maiN/bEryl/
<LasErJOck> I'm noT suRe MArk WanT's It in Main dOes he?
<LasErjoCk> i tHouGht he JUst said UNiVerSe
<CriMsun_> dO We then Want uPstrEaMs UPloAding inTO mAIN?
<LasErjoCk> buT maYbE he onLy waNTs tHat to puSh it to maiN
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 become MOTU are far moregeneral
<l upine _85 > I  d on't  eve n use ubuntu a s  mydistro ;)
<LaserJock>I thi nk Mark ' spoint  was th a tt h eysh ou ldbe ab le to  be  active  and their  pa ck ages mainten a nc e though
< sis tpoty> tstst s
< crimsu n_ > l u pine_ 85:  I do n't ei t her; I  use Wind ow s  Vista . 
<Laser J o ck > I' m on OS X usually ;- ) 
<LaserJock> a h well 
* cr i m sun _ c huckles
<l up ine_8 5 > 3vilt ra i t o rs: p. At least I 'm still on deb ian
<L as erJ o ck> an yway<L a ser Jock> I see  may be 2 poin ts
<cr i msun_>s eriousl y, Mar k d idvery mu ch  po in t  ou t  t hat we' re missi ng  t hat o ne c r u c i al i nro ad
< crims un_> we needtopull inupstr eam m aint ai nersjust a s wene ed to pull in g ener al mainta ine rs 
<L as erJoc k > 1) h avi ngan "exp eriment a l"re p o th at would be like R EV U bu t have s ourcea nd  b i nary pac ka ges 
<La s e rJock > 2) PP A should  allow up st reams t obuildan d t est  thei r  pac kagesand getinvol v ed more
<crims u n_> fast-trac k in g di r ectl y i nto $develo pmen t 's u nive r se , h o wever , sou nd s  p e rilous
<sistpoty> c ri msun_:  I fu lly agree onthe fast-t r a c king
<La serJ o ck >  and I think p erhap s we are b e yond tha t
<La serJock>  lupine_8 5 ' s been w ork ing  to day o ngetting the p a c kage sready f oran exce pti on<La ser Jo ck> at le ast that 's  w ha tI t hinki s goingon 
<c ri msu n_> I see no  reas on w hy  b e ryl  should n 't b e in  f ei styuni ve rse
< lupi n e_8 5> Lase rJock: ye ah, they 'r ein revu . Don't knowif  anythingel seneedsd o ing to t hem
<crimsun_> is beryl ready f ormain? 
<cr imsun_> t hat  means  co r e-devis res ponsi bl e f o r  main < cr ims un _> s/main/ b e ryl /
<La se rJoc k> I'mnot sure Mark want ' s i t in Main doe s h e?
< L a se rJo c k> I t ho u ght h e just said Uni verse
<cri ms u n_ > do we th e n w an t upstr eams up loadi n g intomain?
<La serJock>bu t ma y b e h e only wan ts thatto push i t  to m a in 
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 become_MOTU are_far more general
<lupine_85> I_don't even_use_ubuntu as_my_distro ;)
<LaserJock> I_think Mark's point_was that they should_be able to_be_active and their packages maintenance though
<sistpoty> tststs
<crimsun_> lupine_85: I don't either; I use Windows_Vista.
<LaserJock>_I'm on_OS_X_usually ;-)
<LaserJock> ah well
* crimsun__chuckles
<lupine_85> 3vil traitors :p. At_least I'm_still on debian
<LaserJock> anyway
<LaserJock> I see maybe 2_points
<crimsun_>_seriously, Mark did_very much point out that we're missing that one_crucial inroad
<crimsun_> we need to pull_in upstream maintainers_just_as_we need to pull_in general maintainers
<LaserJock> 1) having an_"experimental" repo that would be like_REVU but have source and binary packages
<LaserJock>_2) PPA should allow upstreams to_build and test their packages_and get_involved more
<crimsun_> fast-tracking directly into_$development's universe, however,_sounds perilous
<sistpoty>_crimsun_: I fully_agree on the fast-tracking
<LaserJock> and I_think perhaps we_are beyond that
<LaserJock> lupine_85's been working_today_on getting the_packages_ready_for an_exception
<LaserJock> at least_that's_what I_think_is going on
<crimsun_> I see no_reason_why beryl shouldn't be in feisty universe
<lupine_85>_LaserJock: yeah, they're in_revu._Don't know if anything_else needs doing to them
<crimsun_>_is beryl ready for main?
<crimsun_> that_means core-dev_is responsible_for main
<crimsun_> s/main/beryl/
<LaserJock> I'm not sure Mark want's it in Main_does he?
<LaserJock> I thought he just_said Universe
<crimsun_> do we_then want_upstreams_uploading into main?
<LaserJock>_but_maybe he_only wants that to push it to_main
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