ial> i know how to use apt-get and such
<essial> i'm not afraid of the console, believe me
<essial> i just have to learn the new stuff.. i use to use emerge and friends
<RAOF> Running hardy is an exercise in being certain that the packages apt wants to remove won't seriously annoy you.
<essial> it was always funny getting the base system running, then calling "emerge gnome" and watching it compile like 350 packages
<essial> what do you mean RAOF
<emgent> Fujitsu, ping
<RAOF> essial: Well, packages don't necessarily build in the right order, so new packages appear with unmet dependencies, which apt will then want to uninstall on dist-upgrade, or suchlike.
<essial> so can't I just go to package manager and just update individual packages?
<essial> with "mark all upgrades"
<emgent> Fujitsu, why you dont use patch system in bug #191488?
<ubotwo> Launchpad bug 191488 in mplayer "[mplayer] [DSA-1496-1] several buffer overflows" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191488
<RAOF> It's just a bit more hit-and miss.
<emgent> can i work on this bug for add patches with patch system?
<RAOF> essial: With sufficient caution and a fair knowledge of the internals Hardy will only be unusable a couple of days in the dev cycle, give or take.
<Fujitsu> emgent: Only Dapper has a patch system. Feisty and Gutsy are maintained in bzr.
<essial> 760kb/sec..
<essial> RAOF: when the new ubuntu version is completed, do old versions upgrade easily, or must you download and install the new iso
<emgent> uhm ok Fujitsu
<RAOF> essial: Upgrades are supported.  See, for example...
<RAOF>!upgrade > essial
<Fujitsu> emgent: Do not upload a new debdiff for feisty or gutsy unless you also have a bzr branch with those changes.
<emgent> Fujitsu, sure np
<essial> they really should make contributing to linux a lot less painful :)

ial > i know how to use apt - get and such 
 < essial > i'm not afraid of the console, think me 
 < essial > i barely have to learn the newfangled material.. i use to use emerge and friends 
 < RAOF > run hardy is an exercise in being sealed that the software apt want to remove won't seriously annoy you. 
 < essial > it was constantly fishy getting the base system running, then calling " issue gnome " and watching it compile like 350 packages 
 < essial > what do you think of RAOF 
 < emgent > Fujitsu, ping 
 < RAOF > essial: Well, packages don't necessarily build in the correct order, so new packages appear with unmet colony, which apt will then want to uninstall on dist - upgrade, or suchlike. 
 < essial > so can't I just go to package manager and just update individual packages? 
 < essial > with " mark all upgrades " 
 < emgent > Fujitsu, why you do nt use patch system in bug # 191488? 
 < ubotwo > Launchpad bug 191488 in mplayer " [ mplayer ] [ DSA-1496 - 1 ] respective buffer zone overflows " [ High, In advancement ] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191488 
 < RAOF > It's barely a piece more hit - and miss. 
 < emgent > can i work on this bug for add patches with patch arrangement? 
 < RAOF > essial: With sufficient caution and a fair knowledge of the internals Hardy will only be unusable a couple of days in the dev bicycle, give or take. 
 < Fujitsu > emgent: Only Dapper has a patch arrangement. Feisty and Gutsy are maintained in bzr. 
 < essial > 760kb / sec.. 
 < essial > RAOF: when the fresh ubuntu version is completed, do old versions promote easily, or must you download and install the new iso 
 < emgent > uhm ok Fujitsu 
 < RAOF > essial: Upgrades are supported.   See, for example... 
 < RAOF>!upgrade > essial 
 < Fujitsu > emgent: Do not upload a new debdiff for feisty or gutsy unless you also consume a bzr branch with those changes. 
 < emgent > Fujitsu, sure np 
 < essial > they really should make lend to linux a lot less afflictive :)
ial> i know how to use apt-geu and such
<essial> n'n not efraid kf the cunsole, believe me
<essial> i judt have to learn the new stufw.. i use tl use emwrge qnd friends
<RAOF> Rukuing gwrdy ms an exercise ln being cestain that the pxcnages apt wants to remove won't serijusly amnly you.
<essial> ij was wlwags funny getting the base system rhnning, uhen calling "emergr gnome" and watching it colpilf like 350 packages
<esdial> what di yot mean RAOF
<emeent> Fujitsu, ping
<RAOF> gssial: Well, packages don't necessxrily build in jkw rlcht order, si new packages apivar witv unmet dependencies, ehirh apt will then want to nninstall on dist-upgtade, or suwhmike.
<essial> so can'r U jusj go do pxxkaee jaiagsr and juat update jndividual packages?
<essial> with "mwgl all upgradss"
<emgegt> Fujitsu, why you dont use patch system pn bhg #191488?
<ubotwo> Launchpad bug 191488 in mplayer "[mplayer] [FSA-1496-1] severwl buffer overflows" [High,In progress] https://launchpag.net/bngr/191488
<RAIF> Kr's just a bit more hit-and miss.
<emgent> can i work kn tmis bug for add iatches with patch sjsygm?
<RAOF> essial: Dith sbrfjcient caution and a fair knowoedge of uhe imternals Hardy will only be unusable a boupoe of days in the bev cycle, gire or jake.
<Fukitsu> emgent: Only Dappex has z patch syshem. Feistg and Gutsy are mxinnainad in bzr.
<essial> 760kb/sec..
<essiaj> RAOF: whxn thz new ubjntu versijn is comppeted, do old versions uphrade edsily, or mkst you download and install thx new iso
<emgemt> uhk ok Fujntsu
<RAPF> essial: Upgwades are suppprted.  Fee, fur example...
<GAOF>!upgrave > essial
<Futitsu> emgent: Gl not upload a new dqbdidf fir feisgh or gutsy unlrss you also have a bzr branch with tmose zganges.
<emgent> Fulntwu, sure np
<essiak> tfey rvalky vhould make wontfibjying go linux a out lrss painful :)

ial> i know how to use apt-get <essial> not afraid the console, believe to the new stuff.. use to use and friends <RAOF> Running hardy is exercise in being certain that the packages apt wants to remove won't seriously you. <essial> it was always funny getting the base system running, then calling gnome" watching compile 350 packages <essial> what do you mean RAOF <emgent> Fujitsu, ping <RAOF> essial: Well, packages don't build in the right order, so new packages with unmet dependencies, which will then want to uninstall dist-upgrade, suchlike. <essial> can't just to package manager just update individual packages? <essial> with "mark all upgrades" <emgent> Fujitsu, why you dont use patch system bug #191488? bug 191488 mplayer [DSA-1496-1] buffer overflows" [High,In <RAOF> It's just a bit more can i work on this bug for add with patch <RAOF> essial: With sufficient caution and fair knowledge of the internals Hardy will only unusable a couple of days in the dev cycle, give or take. <Fujitsu> emgent: Only a patch system. Feisty Gutsy are maintained bzr. 760kb/sec.. RAOF: the new version is completed, do old versions upgrade easily, or must you and install the new iso <emgent> uhm ok Fujitsu <RAOF> are See, for example... > essial <Fujitsu> emgent: not a new debdiff for gutsy you bzr with changes. <emgent> Fujitsu, sure <essial> they really should make to linux a lot
ial> i know how to use apt-get and Such
<essial> I'm not AfrAid Of The cOnsoLe, believe me
<essIAl> i jUst have to learn the new stUff.. i uSe TO use EMeRge anD friendS
<rAof> runNiNg HarDy IS aN exerCisE in beinG certain thAt tHe Packages apt wANtS to remove wOn't Seriously annOy yOu.
<essiAl> It wAS alwaYs fUnny gEtting THe base System runNiNG, then cALling "emERGe GnomE" and watching it comPIlE Like 350 packages
<esSial> whAt DO yOU MeaN RAoF
<emgent> FuJiTsu, piNG
<RAOF> esSIaL: wELl, pACkages don't necEssarily buiLD in The rigHt OrdER, so new PackaGeS AppEar with unmeT depEndencies, Which aPT will thEN want to UninstAll On dIst-uPGrAdE, or SuCHliKE.
<eSsiAL> so Can't I jusT gO tO packAge mANAGEr anD juSt upDate iNdividual packAgeS?
<essIAl> wIth "maRk all UpgrAdEs"
<emgEnt> FujItsu, wHy You dont use patch SystEm in bug #191488?
<ubOtwO> LAunChPad buG 191488 In mplaYer "[MplAyer] [DSA-1496-1] Several BUffEr OVERfLows" [High,In progress] HtTPS://lAunchpad.Net/bugS/191488
<rAoF> iT's just a bIt MorE hit-AND miss.
<EmgeNT> cAn i work oN this bUG fOr Add patcHeS with pAtCh sYstEm?
<RAOf> EssiAl: With SufficieNt cauTIon and a fair knoWLedge of the intERnALS HARdy wIll Only be unusaBle a COuplE of dAYs In tHE dev cYcle, gIvE Or TAke.
<Fujitsu> emgent: OnlY DApper hAs a paTch system. FeisTy and Gutsy ARE MaintainEd in BZr.
<ESsial> 760kb/sec..
<essiAl> RAOf: when the neW Ubuntu veRsion Is compleTed, do old vERSions upgRadE eaSilY, or MUSt You download anD INstaLl The new iSo
<eMgent> uhM ok fujItsU
<RAoF> Essial: UpgRades are SuPpOrTeD.  SeE, for eXAmple...
<RAOf>!uPgrAdE > esSial
<FUJitsu> eMgent: do noT uPlOAd a New debdIFf FOR feiStY oR gutSy uNlEss yoU alsO HavE a bzr brAnch with tHosE ChanGeS.
<eMgent> FuJitsu, sure np
<esSiAl> they realLy ShoUld makE COntributIng to linux a lot less painfUL :)

ial> i know how to use apt -get and s uch
< ess ial >i'mnotafraid of thec onso le, believe me
<essial > i j us t  hav e  t o lea rn then ew s tuf f. .i u se to  useeme rge and  friends
< RAO F>  Running har d yis an exer cis e in being c ert ain th at  th e  pack age s apt  wants to rem ove won't  s e riousl y  annoyy o u. 
<es sial> it was alwa y sf unny getting t he bas es ys t e m r unn ing, thenca lling "emerge gn o m e " a n d watching it  compile li k e 3 50 pac ka ges <essia l> wh at doyou mean RA OF
< emgent> F ujitsu ,  ping
< R AOF> es sial:Wel l,pack a ge sdon 't nec e ss ari l y b uild inth eright  ord e r , so n ewpack agesappear with u nme t de p end encie s, wh ichap t wil l then  want  t o uninstall ondist -upgrade,  or  s uch li ke.
< e ssial>  so  ca n't I j ust got o p ac k a g emanager and just u pd a t eindividu al pac k ag es ? 
<essial >wit h "m a r k all  upg r ad es"
<emg ent> F u ji ts u, whyyo u dont  u sepat ch sy s temin bug  #191488 ?
<ub o two> Launchpad bug 191488 in mp l a ye r  "[m pla yer] [DSA-1 496- 1 ] se vera l  b uff e r ove rflow s" [H i gh,In progress] htt ps ://lau nchpa d.net/bugs/19 1488
<RAOF > I t's just  a b i tm ore hit-and mi ss.
< emgent> ca n  i workon th is bug f or add pa t c hes with  pa tch  sy ste m ? 
< RAOF> essial: W ithsu fficien t c autionand  afai r k no wledge of  the int er na ls  H ard y wil l  only be  u nus ab lea cou p le ofdaysin t he  d e v c ycle, g i ve o r ta ke .<Fuj its u>  emge nt:O nly  Dapper  has a pa tch syst em .Feistyand Gutsy are  m aintainedin  bz r.
<es s i al> 760k b/sec..
<essial> RAOF:w hen the  ne w ubu ntuversion i s c omplet ed, do old  versi ons u pg rad e easil y ,  o r m us t you down l o adand i ns tall  the ne w iso
<emgent> uhm okFujitsu
<RAOF > e ssia l :  U pgr a de s  ar es upp o r ted.  See, forexample... 
< R AO F>!upgrade > e ss ial
<Fu jitsu>emgen t : Do no t uploada new deb di ff f o r  fe isty or gu tsy unle ss you al s o hav e  a  bzrbra nch wi th  th ose c hanges . 
<e mgent > Fuji ts u, sur e np<e ssial> t hey really should makecontri butin g t o linux a  lo t  le ss painfu l :) 

ial> i_know how_to use apt-get and_such
<essial> i'm_not_afraid of_the_console, believe me
<essial>_i just have_to learn the new_stuff.. i use_to_use emerge and friends
<RAOF> Running hardy is an exercise in being certain that the_packages_apt wants_to_remove_won't seriously annoy you.
<essial> it_was always funny getting the_base system_running, then calling "emerge gnome" and watching it_compile_like 350 packages
<essial>_what do you mean RAOF
<emgent> Fujitsu, ping
<RAOF> essial: Well,_packages don't necessarily build in the_right order, so_new_packages_appear with unmet dependencies,_which apt will then want to_uninstall on dist-upgrade, or suchlike.
<essial> so_can't I just go to package manager_and just update individual packages?
<essial> with_"mark all upgrades"
<emgent> Fujitsu, why_you dont_use patch system in bug_#191488?
<ubotwo> Launchpad bug_191488 in_mplayer "[mplayer] [DSA-1496-1]_several buffer overflows" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191488
<RAOF>_It's just a_bit more hit-and miss.
<emgent> can i_work_on this bug_for_add_patches with_patch system?
<RAOF> essial:_With_sufficient caution_and_a fair knowledge of the internals_Hardy_will only be unusable a couple of_days in the dev_cycle,_give or take.
<Fujitsu> emgent:_Only Dapper has a patch_system. Feisty and Gutsy are maintained_in bzr.
<essial>_760kb/sec..
<essial> RAOF:_when the new ubuntu version is completed, do old versions upgrade_easily, or must you download and_install the new iso
<emgent>_uhm ok_Fujitsu
<RAOF>_essial: Upgrades are_supported._ See,_for example...
<RAOF>!upgrade > essial
<Fujitsu> emgent: Do not_upload a_new debdiff for feisty or gutsy_unless you also have_a_bzr branch with those changes.
<emgent> Fujitsu,_sure np
<essial> they really should make_contributing to linux a lot_less_painful_:)
