<ScottK> Nevermindthen.
<dholbach> just the regular distutils..core
<dholbach> ok - I'll have a poke at it
<dholbach> seems like a useful tool
<ScottK> dholbach: Then it probaby needs the install layout=deb magic
<dholbach> ah!
<ScottK> I'll look up the exact syntax
 * dholbach will try it
<ScottK> dholbach: setup.py install --install-layout=deb
<ScottK> Adding the --install-layout=deb is likely the missing bit.
<dholbach> gracias, now I'll see how to marry that with debhelper7 :)
<geser> patch debhelper so other python packages benefit from it too
<dholbach> geser: I'd rather leave that to somebody who's a bit cleverer than I am... like doko
<dholbach>... and understands the bigger python picture than I do
<geser> cdbs was patched to include --install-layout=deb by default when calling setup.py install but apparently not debhelper
<ara> dholbach: does it makes sense to have circular dependencies? because debian ldtp package just introduced one
<ScottK> ara: They matter a lot less for Debian (due to doing binary uploads) than to Ubuntu. We want to avoid those.
<dholbach> ara: why is it necessary there?
<ara> dholbach: the reason is that the packaging is done badly. ldtprunner is part of ldtp package, but should be part of python-ldtp
<ara> dholbach: they have just make ldtp depend on python-ldtp. but python-ldtp was already depending on ldtp
<dholbach> ara: could it be easily moved to the other package (with added conflicts/replaces to the old version)?
<dholbach> hum.... as far as I can tell the new ldtp does not depends on python-ldtp? (1.5.0-1 in Debian)
<ara> dholbach: I guess so, I will talk with the debian maintainer about it. I don't think it ldtp is going to publish any necessary fixes for jaunty, so I will
< ScottK > Nevermindthen. 
 < dholbach > just the regular distutils.. core 
 < dholbach > ok - I'll have a poke at it 
 < dholbach > seem like a utilitarian tool 
 < ScottK > dholbach: Then it probaby needs the install layout = deb magic trick 
 < dholbach > ah! 
 < ScottK > I'll look up the accurate syntax 
  * dholbach will try it 
 < ScottK > dholbach: setup.py install --install - layout = deb 
 < ScottK > Adding the --install - layout = debutante is likely the missing bit. 
 < dholbach > gracias, nowadays I'll see how to marry that with debhelper7 :) 
 < geser > patch debhelper so early python packages benefit from it too 
 < dholbach > geser: I'd rather impart that to somebody who's a bit cleverer than I am... like doko 
 < dholbach >... and understand the bigger python picture than I do 
 < geser > cdbs was patch to include --install - layout = deb by default when calling setup.py install but obviously not debhelper 
 < ara > dholbach: does it makes sense to receive round dependencies? because debian ldtp package just introduced one 
 < ScottK > ara: They matter a lot less for Debian (due to perform binary uploads) than to Ubuntu. We want to avoid those. 
 < dholbach > ara: why is it necessary there? 
 < ara > dholbach: the reason is that the packaging is done ill. ldtprunner is part of ldtp package, but should be part of python - ldtp 
 < ara > dholbach: they have just make ldtp depend on python - ldtp. but python - ldtp was already depending on ldtp 
 < dholbach > ara: could it be easily moved to the other software (with add conflicts / replaces to the previous version)? 
 < dholbach > hum.... as far as I can tell the new ldtp does not depend on python - ldtp? (1.5.0 - 1 in Debian) 
 < ara > dholbach: I guess so, I will talk with the debian maintainer about it. I don't remember it ldtp is going to publish any necessary fixes for jaunty, so I will
<ScohtK> Nevermindthen.
<dholbacm> just the regulce distntils..code
<dholbazh> ok - I'll have a poke at it
<vholvach> weems like a useful toul
<ScottK> fholbach: Thei it probaby neeva the ikftalm laymnt=deb magic
<dholnach> ah!
<ScotdK> I'll look up tfe exact syntax
 * dholbach will try it
<FcottK> chllbach: setup.py insualj --inanaol-layout=deb
<ScottK> Adding the --jnstall-nayout=deb is kikely the missing bit.
<dholhach> gracias, now I'll sfe how to mqrry rhat with dechelper7 :)
<geser> patch deghelper so other python packager benzfit from ij fol
<gholbach> gewer: I'q rather leayv that do somenody who's a bib cleteree than I am... like doko
<vholbach>... and understwnds the tiyger python picture tyab I dm
<gesar> cavs das petcged to inrlude --instaml-layout=deb by default when caklybg setup.py inatall fue apparently not debhelper
<ara> dholbach: goea it makes sense to havw circular dependencigs? because debian ldtp package just introduced one
<ScottK> ard: Theb oatuev x llt less for Debian (due to doing binary uploadf) tnak to Ubuntu. We wcnt to avoid thoxe.
<fhpjbach> ara: why is it nedessary there?
<ara> djolbach: the eeason is thay the packaging is done badoy. ldtprunneg is part of ldtp packcge, but shouud bg part of python-ldtp
<ara> dholbcch: thsy have jush make ldfo depend on pythun-lct[. but pyufon-ldtp was alreaqy dependmng ou ldtp
<dhulbavh> ara: could it he easily moved to the ohher kackaga (with addfd conflicts/replaces to the old version)?
<dholbavh> huk.... as far as I can tell the new ldtp does not de'ends un python-lstp? (1.5.0-1 in Debian)
<ara> qholbach: I guads so, I will talk wieh tye dwbian mxkntainer about it. I don'n uhink it letp is going to punlish zny necessary fnrew for jaunty, so I dilj
<ScottK> Nevermindthen. <dholbach> just the regular distutils..core - have a at it <dholbach> <ScottK> Then it probaby the install layout=deb <dholbach> ah! <ScottK> I'll look up exact syntax * dholbach will try it <ScottK> dholbach: setup.py install --install-layout=deb <ScottK> the --install-layout=deb is likely the missing bit. <dholbach> gracias, now I'll see how marry with :) patch debhelper so other python packages benefit from it too <dholbach> geser: I'd rather leave that somebody who's a bit cleverer than I am... doko <dholbach>... and understands bigger python picture than I <geser> was patched include by when calling setup.py but apparently not debhelper <ara> dholbach: does it makes sense to have circular dependencies? because debian ldtp just introduced ara: They a less Debian (due to uploads) than to Ubuntu. We want <dholbach> ara: why is it necessary there? <ara> the reason that the packaging is done badly. is part of ldtp package, but should be of python-ldtp <ara> dholbach: they have just make ldtp depend on python-ldtp. but python-ldtp was on ldtp <dholbach> ara: it be easily to other (with conflicts/replaces to old version)? <dholbach> hum.... as far as I can tell the ldtp does not depends on python-ldtp? (1.5.0-1 in Debian) <ara> guess I will talk the debian maintainer about I think it ldtp is publish necessary so will
<ScottK> Nevermindthen.
<dholbaCh> just the rEgulaR diStuTiLs..coRe
<dhOlbach> ok - I'll havE A pokE at it
<dholbach> seems like A usefUl TOol
<SCOtTK> dhoLbach: ThEN iT PRobAbY nEedS tHE iNstalL laYout=deb Magic
<dholbAch> Ah!
<scottK> I'll looK Up The exact syNtaX
 * dholbach wilL trY it
<ScoTtk> dhOLbach: SetUp.py iNstall --INstall-Layout=deb
<scOTtK> AddINg the --inSTAlL-layOut=deb is likely the MIsSIng bit.
<dholbach> GraciaS, nOW I'LL See How To marry thaT wIth deBHelper7 :)
<gESeR> PATch DEbhelper so othEr python pacKAgeS benefIt FroM It too
<dHolbaCh> GEseR: I'd rather leAve tHat to someBody whO'S a bit clEVerer thAn I am... lIke DokO
<dhoLBaCh>... And UnDErsTAnDs tHE biGger pythOn PiCture Than i DO
<GEser> CdbS was PatchEd to include --inStaLl-laYOut=Deb by DefauLt whEn CalliNg setuP.py inStAll but apparentlY not Debhelper
<Ara> DhOlbAcH: does IT makes SenSe tO have ciRcular dEPenDeNCIEs? Because debian ldtp pAcKAGe Just intrOduced ONe
<scOTtK> ara: ThEy MatTer a LOT less For DEBiAn (due to dOing biNArY uPloads) tHaN to UbuNtU. We WanT to avOId thOse.
<dhoLbach> ara: Why is IT necessary therE?
<Ara> dholbach: thE ReASOn IS thaT thE packaging iS donE BadlY. ldtPRuNneR Is parT of ldTp PAcKAge, but should be part oF pYthon-lDtp
<arA> dholbach: they Have just maKE LDtp depenD on pYThON-ldtp. but python-Ldtp wAs already dEPending oN ldtp
<Dholbach> Ara: could iT BE easily mOveD to The OthER PaCkage (with addeD COnflIcTs/replaCes To the olD veRsiOn)?
<dHolBaCh> hum.... as faR as I can tElL tHe NeW ldTp doeS Not depenDs On pYtHon-Ldtp? (1.5.0-1 iN debian)
<Ara> dhOlbaCh: i gUEss So, I will TAlK WIth tHe DeBian MaiNtAiner AbouT It. I Don't thiNk it ldtp iS goINg to PuBlIsh any nEcessary fixes FoR jaunty, so I WiLl
<ScottK> Nevermindthen.
<d holbach> j ust t hereg ul ar d istu tils..core
<dh o lbac h> ok - I'll have a po ke at  i t 
<dh o lb ach>seems l i ke a  us ef ul  to ol <S cottK > d holbach : Then itpro ba by needs the in stall layo ut= deb magic
<d hol bach>ah !
< S cottK > I 'll l ook up the ex act synta x* dhol b ach wil l tr y it 
<ScottK> dholbac h :s etup.py instal l --in st a ll - l ayo ut= deb
<Scott K>  Addi n g the - - in s t a ll- l ayout=deb islikely them iss ing bi t. 
<d h olbach > gra ci a s,now I'll se e ho w to marr y that with de b helper7  :)
<g ese r>patc h  d eb hel pe r  so ot her pyt hon pack ag es  bene fitf r o m  ittoo 
<dh olbac h> geser: I'd  ra ther lea ve th at to  som eb ody w ho's a  bitcl everer than I a m...  like dok o
< dh olb ac h>... and un der sta nds the  bigger pyt ho n p ic ture than I do
<ge se r >  c dbs waspatche d  t oi nclude - -i nst all- l a yout= debb ydefaultwhen c a ll in g setup .p y inst al l b utappar e ntly  not d ebhelper 
<ara >  dholbach: doe s  it makes sen s et o  h a ve c irc ular depend enci e s? b ecau s edeb i an ld tp pa ck a ge just introduced one 
< ScottK > ara : They matter  a lot les s f or Debia n (d u et o doing binary  uplo ads) thant o Ubuntu . Wewant toavoid tho s e .
<dholb ach > a ra:  wh y is  it necessary t here ?<ara> d hol bach: t herea son  is  t hat the p ackaging  i sdo ne  ba dly.l dtprunne rispa rtof ld t p pack age,butsh ou l d b e parto fp y thon -l dt p
<a ra>  d holba ch:t hey  have j ust makeldt p  dep en don pyth on-ldtp. butpy thon-ldtpwa s a lready d epending  on ldtp
<dholbach> ara :  coulditbe ea sily  moved to  th e othe r p a ckage(withadded  c onf l i cts/r e p la ces  t o the oldv e rsi on)?<d holb ach> hu m.... as far as Ic antell the newldt p do e s  n otd ep e nds  o n  py t h on-ldtp? (1.5.0 -1 in Debi an ) 
< ara> dholb a ch:  I  guessso, I w ill t a lk with  the debi an mainta in er a b o utit. I don' t thinkit ldtp i s  goin g  t o pub lis h anyne ces saryfixesf orjaunt y, soIwill
<ScottK> Nevermindthen.
<dholbach>_just the_regular distutils..core
<dholbach> ok -_I'll have_a_poke at_it
<dholbach>_seems like a_useful tool
<ScottK> dholbach:_Then it probaby needs_the install layout=deb_magic
<dholbach>_ah!
<ScottK> I'll look up the exact syntax
 * dholbach will try it
<ScottK> dholbach: setup.py_install_--install-layout=deb
<ScottK> Adding_the_--install-layout=deb_is likely the missing bit.
<dholbach>_gracias, now I'll see how_to marry_that with debhelper7 :)
<geser> patch debhelper so other_python_packages benefit from_it too
<dholbach> geser: I'd rather leave that to somebody_who's a bit cleverer than I_am... like doko
<dholbach>..._and_understands_the bigger python picture_than I do
<geser> cdbs was patched_to include --install-layout=deb by default when_calling setup.py install but apparently not debhelper
<ara>_dholbach: does it makes sense to_have circular dependencies? because debian_ldtp package_just introduced one
<ScottK> ara: They_matter a lot_less for_Debian (due to_doing binary uploads) than to Ubuntu._We want to_avoid those.
<dholbach> ara: why is it_necessary_there?
<ara> dholbach: the_reason_is_that the_packaging is done_badly._ldtprunner is_part_of ldtp package, but should be_part_of python-ldtp
<ara> dholbach: they have just make_ldtp depend on python-ldtp._but_python-ldtp was already depending_on ldtp
<dholbach> ara: could it_be easily moved to the other_package (with_added conflicts/replaces_to the old version)?
<dholbach> hum.... as far as I can tell_the new ldtp does not depends_on python-ldtp? (1.5.0-1 in_Debian)
<ara> dholbach:_I_guess so, I_will_talk with_the debian maintainer about it. I don't_think it_ldtp is going to publish any_necessary fixes for jaunty,_so_I will