 really find anything concrete
<\sh> YokoZar: if then on popcon.ubuntu.com
<\sh> YokoZar: but no real numbers...
<YokoZar> intresting, 165k wine users
<\sh> YokoZar: it's inaccurate...all people who are not enabled popcon are not matched
<\sh> s/are/have/
<YokoZar> True.  Popcon is a default checkbox at install time, right?
<Laney> It's disabled by default
<Laney> And hidden under "Advanced" on the last page of the installer, AFAIK
<YokoZar> Ahh, that changes things a bit.
<\sh> YokoZar: but the impact of the broken wine on a devel release...was enough for me to tell, that people declare wine as important....
<\sh> (mostly to play CS on linux ;))
<YokoZar> Haha yeah when Wine was segfaulting on Hardy Alpha 5 we got like 10 duplicate bug reports and 60 people posting in the launchpad thread.  That's a hint right there ;)
<\sh> YokoZar: when I'm tired of wine, I'll file an MainInclusionReport for Wine, so that our colleagues can deal with it *harharhar*
<YokoZar> \sh: It's been brought up every year (with the expectation that Wine 1.0 would be out within a year) for the past 4 years now.
<YokoZar> Truthfully though Wine going into Main would be something that would need to happen if we ever wanted to start supporting a package like Mez's winrar
<\sh> YokoZar: well, I was thinking more about e.g. "Picasa" from Google..which has imho more users then Mez's winrar :)
<YokoZar> \sh: True.  We could easily put Picassa into the partner repo, for instance.
<slicer> dholbach: About bug 194836, the "logical" to me seems to have the mumble-server-web package conflict with a earlier version of mumble-server, however the debian policy says a Conflicts should "almost never" have an earlier than version clause. Is this one of the rare cases, or should it simply Replaces:
really find anything concrete 
 < \sh > YokoZar: if then on popcon.ubuntu.com 
 < \sh > YokoZar: but no real numbers... 
 < YokoZar > intresting, 165k wine drug user 
 < \sh > YokoZar: it's inaccurate... all citizenry who are not enabled popcon are not matched 
 < \sh > s / are / have/ 
 < YokoZar > True.   Popcon is a default option checkbox at install time, right? 
 < Laney > It's disable by default option 
 < Laney > And hidden under " advance " on the final page of the installer, AFAIK 
 < YokoZar > Ahh, that changes thing a bit. 
 < \sh > YokoZar: but the impact of the broken wine on a devel spill... was adequate for me to tell, that people announce wine as important.... 
 < \sh > (largely to meet CS on linux ;)) 
 < YokoZar > Haha yeah when Wine was segfaulting on Hardy Alpha 5 we got like 10 duplicate bug reports and 60 multitude posting in the launchpad thread.   That's a hint properly there ;) 
 < \sh > YokoZar: when I'm tired of wine, I'll file an MainInclusionReport for Wine, so that our colleagues can deal with it * harharhar * 
 < YokoZar > \sh: It's been brought up every class (with the expectation that Wine 1.0 would be out within a year) for the past 4 years now. 
 < YokoZar > Truthfully though Wine going into Main would be something that would necessitate to happen if we ever wanted to start supporting a package like Mez's winrar 
 < \sh > YokoZar: well, I was thinking more about e.g. " Picasa " from Google.. which has imho more users then Mez's winrar :) 
 < YokoZar > \sh: truthful.   We could easily put Picassa into the collaborator repo, for case. 
 < slicer > dholbach: About bug 194836, the " logical " to me seems to accept the mumble - server - web package conflict with a early version of mumble - server, however the debian policy says a Conflicts should " almost never " have an early than version clause. Is this one of the rare cases, or should it simply replace:
 rewlly find anything concrtte
<\sh> YokoZar: if jhwn on 'opcon.uguntu.com
<\rh> YokoZar: but no real numbecs...
<YojoZar> intresting, 165k wine usefs
<\sh> YokoDar: it's ibaccnrate...all people xgo are kjt ehwbleb 'opcon are not katched
<\sh> v/are/have/
<YokoZas> Grbe.  Popcon is a default checkbox at ynstall tlme, right?
<Laney> It's qisagled by default
<Laney> And hidden unser "Advenced" on the laxt page of the installer, AVAIK
<JokoZar> Ahh, that cjanges thints a vit.
<\sh> YokoZaf: but the pkpact of tge broken wine on a devel releare...was enough fot je jo tell, that peopje declare wlme as hmportamt....
<\sh> (mostly to pley CW on linux ;))
<YokoZar> Haia yeah when Wine waf segfauldiug on Hardy Alpha 5 we git line 10 guplkxatd bhg rsports anv 60 people pksting in tye launchpad thread.  Eyat's a hint rjght trewe ;)
<\sh> YokoZar: when I'm tired of wine, I'll fime an MainInclusionRepoet for Wine, so that oor colleagtes can deal with it *harharhar*
<YokoZar> \sh: It's been broujhg uk cyery tewr (with the expectation that Wine 1.0 would be otf einhin a year) for tme past 4 years now.
<UonoAwr> Truthfully thougk Wjne going into Maij would be simething uhat eould need to happen if we wver wanted no srart supporting a 'ackage like Mez'x wintar
<\sh> YokoZar: well, I war thjnking more about e.g. "Oicasa" from Googue..wmicv has imho more users then Mez's wincar :)
<YpkoZar> \rh: Ttue.  We could easlly pmd Picassa into the partuer rapo, for indtance.
<slicer> dholbach: About bug 194836, the "logical" jo ke veems to have the mumble-sewver-web packagg conflicc with a earlier versioi of mumble-sqrver, however jhe debian ponicy sayf a Xonfoicts sfuuld "almost nefer" have cu earlier than version clauxe. Ka this one of tkt rqre cases, or shpula ie dikpjf Replaces:
really find anything concrete <\sh> YokoZar: if popcon.ubuntu.com YokoZar: but real numbers... <YokoZar> YokoZar: inaccurate...all people who not enabled popcon not matched <\sh> s/are/have/ <YokoZar> True. is a default checkbox at install time, right? <Laney> It's disabled by default And hidden under "Advanced" on the last page of the installer, AFAIK <YokoZar> that things bit. YokoZar: but the impact of the broken wine on a devel release...was enough for me to that people declare wine as important.... <\sh> (mostly play CS on linux <YokoZar> Haha yeah when Wine segfaulting Hardy Alpha we like duplicate bug reports 60 people posting in the launchpad thread. That's a hint right there ;) <\sh> YokoZar: when I'm of wine, an MainInclusionReport Wine, that colleagues can deal *harharhar* <YokoZar> \sh: It's been brought (with the expectation that Wine 1.0 would be within a for the past 4 years now. Truthfully though Wine going into Main would be that would need to happen if we ever wanted to start supporting a package like <\sh> YokoZar: well, I thinking more about "Picasa" Google..which imho users then winrar :) <YokoZar> \sh: True. We could easily put Picassa into partner repo, for instance. <slicer> dholbach: About bug 194836, the me to have the package conflict with a version mumble-server, however the debian a should an than clause. Is this one the rare cases, or should simply Replaces:
 really find anything concretE
<\sh> YokoZar: If theN on PopCoN.ubuNtu.cOm
<\sh> YokoZar: but NO reaL numbers...
<YokoZar> intrestIng, 165k wInE UserS
<\Sh> yokoZAr: it's inACcURAte...AlL pEopLe WHo Are noT enAbled poPcon are not MatChEd
<\sh> s/are/have/
<yOkOZar> True.  PoPcoN is a default cHecKbox at InStaLL time, RigHt?
<LanEy> It's dISabled By default
<laNEy> And hIDden undER "adVancEd" on the last page of THe INstaller, AFAIK
<YOkoZar> ahH, ThAT ChaNgeS things a biT.
<\sH> YokozAr: but thE ImPACT of THe broken wine oN a devel releASe...wAs enouGh For ME to telL, that PeOPle Declare wine As imPortant....
<\sh> (Mostly TO play CS ON linux ;))
<YOkoZar> hahA yeAh whEN WInE waS sEGfaULtIng ON HaRdy Alpha 5 We GoT like 10 DuplICATE bug RepOrts And 60 peOple posting in The LaunCHpaD threAd.  ThaT's a hInT righT there ;)
<\Sh> YokOZAr: when I'm tired of Wine, i'll file an maiNINclUsIonRePOrt for winE, so That our ColleagUEs cAn DEAL wIth it *harharhar*
<YokozaR> \SH: IT's been brOught uP EvErY Year (with ThE exPectATIon thAt WiNE 1.0 wOuld be ouT withiN A yEaR) for the PaSt 4 yearS nOw.
<YOkozar> TrUThfuLly thoUgh Wine gOing iNTo Main would be sOMething that woULd NEEd TO hapPen If we ever wanTed tO StarT supPOrTinG A packAge liKe mEz'S Winrar
<\sh> YokoZar: well, i wAs thinKing mOre about e.g. "PicAsa" from GooGLE..Which has Imho MOrE Users then Mez's wInrar :)
<yokoZar> \sh: TRUe.  We coulD easiLy put PicAssa into tHE Partner rEpo, For InsTanCE.
<SlIcer> dholbach: ABOUt buG 194836, tHe "logicAl" tO me seemS to HavE thE muMbLe-server-wEb packagE cOnFlIcT wiTh a eaRLier versIoN of MuMblE-servER, howevEr the DebiAn PoLIcy Says a CoNFlICTs shOuLd "AlmoSt nEvEr" havE an eARliEr than vErsion claUse. iS thiS oNe Of the raRe cases, or shouLd It simply RePlAceS:
 really find anything conc rete
<\sh>  Yoko Zar : i fthen  onpopcon.ubuntu. c om
< \sh> YokoZar: but no r eal n um b ers. . .<Yoko Zar> in t re s t ing ,16 5kwi n eusers 
<\ sh> Yok oZar: it's  in ac curate...all pe ople who a renot enabledpop con ar enot match ed<\sh>  s/are / have/<YokoZar>  T r ue.  P o pcon is a  d efau lt checkbox at in s ta l l time, right? 
<Lane y> It ' s  di sab led by def au lt
<L a ney> An d  h i d d enu nder "Advance d" on the l a stpage o fthe instal ler,AF A IK<YokoZar> A hh,that chan ges th i ngs a b i t.
<\sh > Yoko Zar : b ut t h eim pac to f t h ebro k enwine onade vel r elea s e . . .was  en ough  forme to tell, t hat  peo p ledecla re wi ne a simpor tant.. ..
<\ sh > (mostly to pl ay C S on linu x ; )) 
<Y ok oZar> Haha y eah  wh en Wine  was se g fau lt i n g  o n Hardy Alpha 5 we  g o t  l ike 10 d uplica t ebu g  reports  a nd60 p e o ple p osti n gin the l aunchp a dth read. Th at's a  h int  ri ght t h ere;)
<\s h> YokoZ ar: w h en I'm tired o f  wine, I'll f i le a nM ainI ncl usionReport  for Wine , so th ato ur co lleag ue s  c a n deal with it *har ha rhar*<Yoko Zar> \sh: It' s been bro u g h t up eve ry y e ar (with the expe ctati on that Wi n e 1.0 wo uld b e out wi thin a ye a r ) for th e p ast  4yea r s  n ow.
<YokoZar> T ruth fu lly tho ugh  Wine g oin g i nto  Ma in  would be  somethi ng  t ha twou ld ne e d to hap pe n i fweeverw antedto st artsu pp o rti ng a pa c ka g e  lik eMe z'swin ra r
<\s h> Y o koZ ar: wel l, I wasthi n king  m or e about  e.g. "Picasa "from Googl e. .wh ich ha s imho mor e users then Mez's winr a r :)
<Y oko Zar>\sh:  True.  W e c ould e asi l y putPicass a int othe p artne r re po,  f or instanc e . 
<s licer >dhol bach: A bout bug 194836, t h e " logical" to m e s eems t ohav e  t h e m um b le- s e rver-web packag e conflict  w i th  a earlier ver si on of m umble-s erver ,  howeve r the deb ian polic ysays a  Co nflicts sh ould "al most neve r " hav e  a n ear lie r than  v ers ion c lause. Isthisone of  t he rar e cas es , or sho uld it simply Replaces: 
 really_find anything_concrete
<\sh> YokoZar: if then_on popcon.ubuntu.com
<\sh>_YokoZar:_but no_real_numbers...
<YokoZar> intresting, 165k_wine users
<\sh> YokoZar:_it's inaccurate...all people who_are not enabled_popcon_are not matched
<\sh> s/are/have/
<YokoZar> True.  Popcon is a default checkbox at install time,_right?
<Laney>_It's disabled_by_default
<Laney>_And hidden under "Advanced" on_the last page of the_installer, AFAIK
<YokoZar>_Ahh, that changes things a bit.
<\sh> YokoZar: but_the_impact of the_broken wine on a devel release...was enough for me_to tell, that people declare wine_as important....
<\sh> (mostly_to_play_CS on linux ;))
<YokoZar>_Haha yeah when Wine was segfaulting_on Hardy Alpha 5 we got_like 10 duplicate bug reports and 60_people posting in the launchpad thread._ That's a hint right_there ;)
<\sh>_YokoZar: when I'm tired of_wine, I'll file_an MainInclusionReport_for Wine, so_that our colleagues can deal with_it *harharhar*
<YokoZar> \sh:_It's been brought up every year_(with_the expectation that_Wine_1.0_would be_out within a_year)_for the_past_4 years now.
<YokoZar> Truthfully though Wine_going_into Main would be something that would_need to happen if_we_ever wanted to start_supporting a package like Mez's_winrar
<\sh> YokoZar: well, I was thinking_more about_e.g. "Picasa"_from Google..which has imho more users then Mez's winrar :)
<YokoZar> \sh:_True.  We could easily put_Picassa into the partner_repo, for_instance.
<slicer>_dholbach: About bug_194836,_the "logical"_to me seems to have the mumble-server-web_package conflict_with a earlier version of mumble-server,_however the debian policy_says_a Conflicts should "almost never" have_an earlier than version clause. Is_this one of the rare_cases,_or_should it simply Replaces: