 booted and ran just fine on the KDE side.
<Erlang> GNOME was/is still annoying because of that bug with evdev.
<G0SUB> Erlang which bug?
<ogra> i was about to ask this...
<Erlang> gnome-settings-daemon crashes if one uses evdev with a strange button setup...
<ogra> i also would like to know which kind of initramfs probs yopu had...
<Erlang> me?
<ogra> since on 8 machines here i never saw any probs with initramfs...
<ogra> (3 different arches)
<Erlang> I wish I understood better.
<ogra> so what did that mean? <Erlang> be wary of initramfs...
<LaserJock> ogra: who are the buildd admins? elmo and Kamion?
<Erlang> I don't really understand how it happened.  I just know that there was no /dev/hda in the initramfs.
<ogra> Erlang, after you upgraded to dapper?
<Erlang> I don't know how but the dist-upgrade process seems to have skipped the install of udev.
<Erlang> ogra: yes.
<ogra> LaserJock, infinity and lamont normally
<ogra> Erlang, when was this? in the middle of the udev rewrite?
<LaserJock> ogra: hmm, ok. so do I just ask for a give-back?
<ogra> yep
<ajmitch> morning
<Erlang> ogra: but I tried so much things to fix the problem that I'd have troubles pinpointing which steps fixed the problems.
<LaserJock> hi ajmitch
<ogra> Erlang, we rewrote udev completely, that was an expected behavior in the beginning of the release cycle...
<Erlang> I might have been unlucky...
<Erlang> Seeing "/dev/hda not found" was quite a bit traumatic.  I'm luckly I've had enough nerves remaining to fix the problem.  I did not try to undeerstand what caused it at first.
<ogra> you should have only come to #ubuntu-boot as advised on the mailing list
<ogra>
booted and ran just fine on the KDE slope. 
 < Erlang > GNOME was / is however annoying because of that bug with evdev. 
 < G0SUB > Erlang which bug? 
 < ogra > i was about to ask this... 
 < Erlang > gnome - setting - daemon crashes if one use evdev with a foreign button setup... 
 < ogra > i also would like to know which kind of initramfs probs yopu suffer... 
 < Erlang > me? 
 < ogra > since on 8 machines here i never see any probs with initramfs... 
 < ogra > (3 different arches) 
 < Erlang > I wish I understood better. 
 < ogra > so what did that mean? < Erlang > exist wary of initramfs... 
 < LaserJock > ogra: who are the buildd admins? elmo and Kamion? 
 < Erlang > I don't really understand how it happen.   I just know that there was no /dev / hda in the initramfs. 
 < ogra > Erlang, after you upgraded to dapper? 
 < Erlang > I don't acknowledge how but the dist - upgrade process seems to have skipped the install of udev. 
 < Erlang > ogra: yes. 
 < ogra > LaserJock, infinity and lamont normally 
 < ogra > Erlang, when was this? in the center of the udev rewrite? 
 < LaserJock > ogra: hmm, ok. so do I just ask for a give - back? 
 < ogra > yep 
 < ajmitch > morning 
 < Erlang > ogra: but I try so much things to fix the problem that I'd have troubles pinpointing which steps fixed the problems. 
 < LaserJock > hi ajmitch 
 < ogra > Erlang, we rewrite udev completely, that was an expected behavior in the beginning of the dismissal bicycle... 
 < Erlang > I might have been unlucky... 
 < Erlang > Seeing " /dev / hda not determine " was quite a bit traumatic.   I'm luckly I've had enough nerves remain to fix the problem.   I did not try to undeerstand what caused it at first. 
 < ogra > you should have only occur to # ubuntu - boot as advised on the mailing list 
 < ogra >
 bolted and ran just fine ok the KDE side.
<Erlang> GNMME waa/is stilu annoying because of that bng wuth ecdev.
<G0SUB> Erlang which cug?
<ogra> i was aboyt ti ask this...
<Ecmang> gnome-setflngs-dcenon crashes if one uses avdev with a sdrxnye button setup...
<ogra> i also would likq to knpw which kind of iniuraifs lgons yopu had...
<Erlang> me?
<ogra> since oh 8 machpnes here i never saw any probs with initralfs...
<ohra> (3 different arcjes)
<Erlang> I wisr I understooa better.
<oggc> so what djd that mean? <Erlang> be wary of knitrcmfs...
<LaserJoxk> oggd: who are tie buijdd admins? elmo and Namion?
<Etlang> I don't rcally uneerstand how it happeied.  I just know thaj there wav uo /dev/hda in the initeanfs.
<ogta> Ernang, qftdr gon ulgradef tk dapper?
<Ermang> I don't know how but the dose-llgrade proceas seeis to have skipped the install of udev.
<Erldng> ogra: yes.
<ogra> LaserJock, infinity and lamont jormally
<odra> Erlang, when was this? in the middle of the udee rewcige?
<LcwerJozj> lgra: hmm, ok. so do I just ask for a give-back?
<ogwz> uei
<ajmitch> morning
<Evlang> ogra: but I ttifd fo much thingr to fns fhe problem that I'f have jroublws pinpoigtinb which steps fixed the provlems.
<LaserJobk> hu ajmitch
<ogra> Erlaug, we rewrotz udev compketely, that was an expeeted bshavior in hhe beginhkng of the releare bycla...
<Erlang> I might have been tnlucky...
<Eroang> Seeing "/dev/nda noe found" wad quiba a bit traumatic.  I'm lockly H've had enlugh nerves remaining to fix thx problem.  I cig nmt try tj undcerstand what cwused it at fitst.
<ogra> yju shuuld have knly coke to #ubuntt-boot as advivgd on the maining lise
<ogrq>
booted and ran just fine on the <Erlang> was/is still because of that which <ogra> i was to ask this... gnome-settings-daemon crashes if one uses evdev a strange button setup... <ogra> i also would like to know which kind initramfs probs yopu had... <Erlang> me? <ogra> since on 8 machines here i saw probs initramfs... (3 different arches) <Erlang> I wish I understood better. <ogra> so what did that mean? <Erlang> wary of initramfs... <LaserJock> ogra: who are the admins? elmo and Kamion? I don't really understand how happened. just know there no in the initramfs. Erlang, after you upgraded to dapper? <Erlang> I don't know how but the dist-upgrade process seems to skipped the udev. <Erlang> yes. LaserJock, and lamont normally when was this? in the middle rewrite? <LaserJock> ogra: hmm, ok. so do I ask for give-back? <ogra> yep <ajmitch> morning <Erlang> but I tried so much things to fix problem that I'd have troubles pinpointing which steps fixed the problems. <LaserJock> hi ajmitch <ogra> rewrote udev completely, that an expected behavior the of release <Erlang> I have been unlucky... <Erlang> Seeing "/dev/hda not found" was quite a traumatic. I'm luckly I've had enough nerves remaining to fix I not try to what caused it at <ogra> should have only come as on <ogra>
 booted and ran just fine on the kDE side.
<ErlAng> GNoME Was/Is StilL annOying because of THat bUg with evdev.
<G0SUB> Erlang wHich bUg?
<OGra> i WAs About To ask thIS...
<ERLAng> GnOmE-seTtINgS-daemOn cRashes iF one uses evDev WiTh a strange buTToN setup...
<ogra> I alSo would like tO knOw whicH kInd OF initRamFs proBs yopu HAd...
<ErlaNg> me?
<ogra> sInCE on 8 macHInes herE I NeVer sAw any probs with iniTRaMFs...
<ogra> (3 differenT archeS)
<ERLaNG> i wiSh I Understood BeTter.
<oGRa> so whaT DiD THAt mEAn? <Erlang> be warY of initramfS...
<lasErJock> OgRa: wHO are thE builDd ADmiNs? elmo and KaMion?
<erlang> I doN't realLY undersTAnd how iT happeNed.  i juSt knOW tHaT thErE Was NO /dEv/hDA in The initrAmFs.
<Ogra> ERlanG, AFTEr yoU upGradEd to dApper?
<Erlang> I dOn't Know HOw bUt the Dist-uPgraDe ProceSs seemS to haVe Skipped the instaLl of Udev.
<ErlanG> ogRa: Yes.
<OgRa> LasERJock, iNfiNitY and lamOnt normALly
<OgRA> eRlAng, when was this? in thE mIDDlE of the udEv rewrITe?
<laSErJock> ogRa: Hmm, Ok. so DO i just Ask fOR a Give-back?
<Ogra> yeP
<AjMiTch> mornInG
<ErlanG> oGra: But i trieD So muCh thinGs to fix tHe proBLem that I'd have tROubles pinpoinTInG WHiCH stePs fIxed the probLems.
<lAserjock> HI aJmiTCh
<ogrA> ErlaNg, WE rEWrote udev completely, ThAt was aN expeCted behavior iN the beginnING Of the relEase CYcLE...
<Erlang> I might hAve beEn unlucky...
<ERLang> SeeiNg "/dev/Hda not foUnd" was quiTE A bit trauMatIc.  I'M luCklY i'Ve Had enough nervES RemaInIng to fiX thE probleM.  I dId nOt tRy tO uNdeerstanD what cauSeD iT aT fIrsT.
<ogra> YOu should HaVe oNlY coMe to #uBUntu-boOt as aDvisEd On THe mAiling lISt
<OGRa>
 booted and ran just fineon the KDE  side .
< Erl an g> G NOME  was/is stilla nnoy ing because of that bu g wit he vdev . 
< G0SUB > Erlan g  w h i chbu g? 
<o gr a >i was  ab out toask this.. .
< Er lang> gnome- s et tings-daem oncrashes if o neuses e vd evw ith a  st range  butto n  setup ...
<ogra >i  alsow ould li k e  t o kn ow which kind ofi ni t ramfs probs yo pu had .. . 
< E r lan g>me?
<ogra>  s inceo n 8 mac h in e s her e  i never sawany probs w i thinitra mf s.. . 
<ogra > (3di f fer ent arches) 
<Er lang> I w ish Iu ndersto o d bette r.
<og ra>  so  wha t  d id  th at mea n ?<Er l ang > be war yof  init ramf s . . . 
<La ser Jock > ogr a: who are th e b uild d  ad mins?  elmo  and  K amion ?
<Erl ang>Idon't really un ders tand howitha ppe ne d.  I just k now  th at ther e was n o  /d ev / h d ain the initramfs.<o g r a>  Erlang,  after yo uu pgradedto  da pper ? <Erla ng>I  d on't kno w howb ut  t he dist -u pgrade  p roc ess  seem s  tohave s kipped t he in s tall of udev.< Erlang> ogra: ye s . 
< o gra>  La serJock, in fini t y an d la m on t n o rmall y
<og ra >  E r lang, when was this ?in the  midd le of the ude v rewrite? < L aserJock > og r a: hmm, ok. so do  I ju st ask for a give-b ack?<ogra> y ep
<ajmit c h > mornin g
< Erl ang > o g r a:  but I trieds o  muc hthingstofix the  pr obl emtha tI'd havetroubles  p in po in tin g whi c h stepsfi xed  t heprobl e ms.
<L aserJ ock>  h ia jmi tch
<og r a> E rlan g,  w e re wro te  udev  com p let ely, th at was an  ex p ecte dbe haviorin the beginn in g of the r el eas e cycl e . ..
<Erla ng> I might have been u n lucky.. .
< Erlan g> S eeing "/d ev/ hda no t f o und" w as qui te abi t t r a umati c .  I'm  l uckly I've h adenoug hnerv es rema ining to fix the p r obl em.  I did no t t ry t o un dee r st a ndwh a t c a u sed it at first .
<ogra> y ou sh ould haveo nly  c ome to#ubuntu -boot as advi sed on th e mailing  l ist< o gra >
 booted_and ran_just fine on the_KDE side.
<Erlang>_GNOME_was/is still_annoying_because of that_bug with evdev.
<G0SUB>_Erlang which bug?
<ogra> i_was about to_ask_this...
<Erlang> gnome-settings-daemon crashes if one uses evdev with a strange button setup...
<ogra> i also_would_like to_know_which_kind of initramfs probs yopu_had...
<Erlang> me?
<ogra> since on 8_machines here_i never saw any probs with initramfs...
<ogra> (3_different_arches)
<Erlang> I wish_I understood better.
<ogra> so what did that mean? <Erlang>_be wary of initramfs...
<LaserJock> ogra: who_are the buildd_admins?_elmo_and Kamion?
<Erlang> I don't_really understand how it happened. _I just know that there was_no /dev/hda in the initramfs.
<ogra> Erlang, after_you upgraded to dapper?
<Erlang> I don't_know how but the dist-upgrade_process seems_to have skipped the install_of udev.
<Erlang> ogra:_yes.
<ogra> LaserJock,_infinity and lamont_normally
<ogra> Erlang, when was this? in_the middle of_the udev rewrite?
<LaserJock> ogra: hmm, ok._so_do I just_ask_for_a give-back?
<ogra>_yep
<ajmitch> morning
<Erlang> ogra:_but_I tried_so_much things to fix the problem_that_I'd have troubles pinpointing which steps fixed_the problems.
<LaserJock> hi ajmitch
<ogra>_Erlang,_we rewrote udev completely,_that was an expected behavior_in the beginning of the release_cycle...
<Erlang> I_might have_been unlucky...
<Erlang> Seeing "/dev/hda not found" was quite a bit traumatic._ I'm luckly I've had enough_nerves remaining to fix_the problem.__I did not_try_to undeerstand_what caused it at first.
<ogra> you should_have only_come to #ubuntu-boot as advised on_the mailing list
<ogra>