 i'm working on (albeit it may be controversial), will further enhance this
<_mup_> Bug #766317: debug-log should show relation settings changes <Ensemble:In Progress by jimbaker> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/766317 >
<SpamapS> negronjl: you can run the hook with strace and/or gdb at that point. :)
<m_3> SpamapS: yeah, totally wanna dig through debug-hooks next... 
<negronjl> SpamapS:  cool. thx
<SpamapS> its awesome, though I'm bummed that it uses tmux now.. as I'm starting to love byobu's alt-pgup/pgdn
<m_3> lots of cleanup to do first in formula writing (idempotency checking, logging, using debconf as much as possible, etc)
<SpamapS> I do think debug-hooks needs to tell me where the hook is that I'm supposed to be running..
<m_3> SpamapS: never did dig through and figure out the session problems with screen -vs- tmux
<kirkland> SpamapS: niemeyer and i exchanged a few emails;  i think i gave him a solution (using run-one) for the race condition in screen
<kirkland> SpamapS: it solved it for me, at least
<m_3> kirkland: I do love me some screen
<kirkland> m_3: have you tried byobu?
<m_3> kirkland: nope
<kirkland> m_3: give 'er a shot
<m_3> kirkland: actually, I think it installs together now right?
<kirkland> m_3: screen on steriods
<kirkland> m_3: yeah, just type 'byobu' instead of'screen'
<kirkland> m_3: it's screen under the covers
<niemeyer> kirkland: It's a solution, but it's one that makes me quite unhappy :(
<kirkland> m_3: with a bunch of configuration enhancements, status scripts, and keybindings
<kirkland> n
i'm working on (albeit it may be controversial), will further enhance this 
 < _ mup _ > Bug # 766317: debug - log should picture relation back settings changes < Ensemble: In Progress by jimbaker > < https://launchpad.net/bugs/766317 > 
 < SpamapS > negronjl: you can operate the hook with strace and/or gdb at that point. :) 
 < m_3 > SpamapS: yeah, wholly wanna dig through debug - hooks next... 
 < negronjl > SpamapS:   cool. thx 
 < SpamapS > its awesome, though I'm mooch that it uses tmux now.. as I'm begin to love byobu's alt - pgup / pgdn 
 < m_3 > lots of cleaning to serve first in formula writing (idempotency checking, logging, using debconf as a lot as possible, etc) 
 < SpamapS > I do think debug - hooks want to tell me where the hook is that I'm presuppose to be running.. 
 < m_3 > SpamapS: never did labor through and figure out the session problems with screen -vs- tmux 
 < kirkland > SpamapS: niemeyer and i exchanged a few electronic mail;   i think i gave him a solution (using run - one) for the race condition in sieve 
 < kirkland > SpamapS: it solved it for me, at least 
 < m_3 > kirkland: I do love me some screen 
 < kirkland > m_3: have you tried byobu? 
 < m_3 > kirkland: nope 
 < kirkland > m_3: give' er a shot 
 < m_3 > kirkland: actually, I think it installs together now correct? 
 < kirkland > m_3: screen on steriods 
 < kirkland > m_3: yeah, just character' byobu' alternatively of'screen' 
 < kirkland > m_3: it's screen door under the covers 
 < niemeyer > kirkland: It's a solution, but it's one that makes me quite dysphoric :( 
 < kirkland > m_3: with a bunch of configuration enhancements, status script, and keybindings 
 < kirkland > n
 i'm working on (albeit it man be controversico), will furthsr enhanze this
<_mup_> Bug #766317: debug-log shonld whow eelation settings chanees <Ensemhle:In Prigreww by jimbaker> < httif://lauhghpad.uev/bugs/766317 >
<SpamapS> nggronjl: you wan run the homk wnth strace and/or gdb at that point. :)
<m_3> SpamapX: jeah, totally wwnna qig fhrough debug-hooks next... 
<negronjl> SlamapS:  cool. thx
<SpamspS> its awesome, though I'm hummfd that it uses tmkx now.. as I'n stweting to lovd byobu's alt-pgup/pgdn
<m_3> mots of cleanup to do first in wormuka writing (ieemomtency checjing, jogging, usinn debcotf as mich as possiblc, etc)
<VpanapS> I do think debug-iooks needs to tell ie where dhz hook is that I'm suppowed tm be runvung..
<o_3> SkamepS: never div dig throufh and figuee out the session krofoems with scrsen -vs- tiux
<kirkland> SpamapS: niemeyer and i exchdngsd a few emails;  i thinj i gave him a solutiln (using wun-one) for the race condition in screen
<kirkland> S[amapA: it sjucef it for me, at least
<m_3> kirkland: I do love me sjje sbreen
<kirkland> m_3: hcve you tried bypbk?
<m_3> hirkland: nope
<yirklaus> j_3: give 'er a shot
<m_3> nirklanq: actyally, I trink it installs together now rught?
<kirkland> n_3: screen on steriobs
<kirkland> m_3: yean, jusy type 'byobu' instead of'rcresn'
<kirkland> l_3: it's scrsdn under the covdrs
<kiekeyer> kirkland: It's a solutyon, but iv's onz that mxkes me quyte unhappj :(
<kirkland> m_3: with a buncj of eonficuration ejhancements, status scripts, and keybindings
<kirlldnd> n
i'm working on (albeit it may be further this <_mup_> #766317: debug-log should Progress jimbaker> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/766317 <SpamapS> negronjl: you run the hook with strace and/or at that point. :) <m_3> SpamapS: yeah, totally wanna dig through debug-hooks next... SpamapS: cool. thx <SpamapS> its awesome, though I'm bummed that it uses tmux as starting love alt-pgup/pgdn <m_3> lots of cleanup to do first in formula writing (idempotency checking, logging, using debconf much as possible, etc) <SpamapS> I do think needs to tell me the hook is that I'm to running.. <m_3> never dig and figure out session problems with screen -vs- tmux <kirkland> SpamapS: niemeyer and i exchanged a few emails; i think gave him (using run-one) the condition screen <kirkland> SpamapS: it for me, at least <m_3> love me some screen <kirkland> m_3: have you byobu? <m_3> nope <kirkland> m_3: give 'er a <m_3> kirkland: actually, I think it installs together right? <kirkland> m_3: screen on steriods <kirkland> m_3: yeah, just type 'byobu' instead of'screen' <kirkland> screen under the covers kirkland: It's a but one makes quite unhappy <kirkland> m_3: with a bunch of configuration enhancements, status scripts, and <kirkland> n
 i'm working on (albeit it may be cOntroversiAl), wilL fuRthEr EnhaNce tHis
<_mup_> Bug #766317: debug-LOg shOuld show relation settinGs chaNgES <EnsEMbLe:In PRogress BY jIMBakEr> < HtTps://LaUNcHpad.nEt/bUgs/766317 >
<SpamApS> negronjL: yoU cAn run the hook WItH strace and/Or gDb at that poinT. :)
<m_3> SPamapS: YeAh, tOTally WanNa dig ThrougH Debug-hOoks next... 
<nEgROnjl> SpAMapS:  cooL. THx
<spamApS> its awesome, thouGH I'M Bummed that it usEs tmux NoW.. As i'M StaRtiNg to love byObU's alt-PGup/pgdn
<M_3> LoTS OF clEAnup to do first In formula wrITinG (idempOtEncY CheckiNg, logGiNG, usIng debconf aS mucH as possibLe, etc)
<SPAmapS> I dO Think deBug-hooKs nEedS to tELl Me WheRe THe hOOk Is tHAt I'M supposeD tO bE runnIng..
<m_3> sPAMApS: nEveR did Dig thRough and figurE ouT the SEssIon prOblemS witH sCreen -Vs- tmux
<KirklAnD> SpamapS: niemeyeR and I exchangeD a fEw EmaIlS;  i thiNK i gave Him A soLution (uSing run-ONe) fOr THE RaCe condition in screeN
<kIRKlAnd> SpamaPS: it soLVeD iT For me, at lEaSt
<m_3> KirkLANd: I do Love ME sOme screeN
<kirklANd> M_3: hAve you tRiEd byobU?
<m_3> KirKlaNd: nopE
<KirkLand> m_3: gIve 'er a shOt
<m_3> kiRKland: actually, I THink it installS ToGEThER now RigHt?
<kirkland> m_3: ScreEN on sTeriODs
<KirKLand> m_3: Yeah, jUsT TyPE 'byobu' instead of'screEn'
<KirklaNd> m_3: it'S screen under tHe covers
<niEMEYer> kirklAnd: IT'S a SOlution, but it's oNe thaT makes me quITe unhappY :(
<kirkLand> m_3: witH a bunch of CONfiguratIon EnhAncEmeNTS, sTatus scripts, aND KeybInDings
<kiRklAnd> n
 i'm working on (albeit it  may be co ntrov ers ial ),  wil l fu rther enhancet his<_mup_> Bug #766317: d ebug- lo g  sho u ld  show  relati o ns e tti ng scha ng e s<Ense mbl e:In Pr ogress byjim ba ker> < https : // launchpad. net /bugs/766317  ><Spama pS > n e gronj l:you c an run the ho ok with s tr a ce and / or gdba t  t hatpoint. :)
<m_3> S p am a pS: yeah, tota lly wa nn a  d i g  th rou gh debug-h oo ks ne x t... 
< n eg r o n jl> SpamapS:  coo l. thx
<Spa m apS > itsaw eso m e, tho ugh I 'm bum med that it  use s tmux no w.. as I'm sta r ting to  lovebyo bu' s al t -p gu p/p gd n 
<m _ 3>  lo t s o f cleanu pto  do f irst i n form ula  wri ting(idempotencyche ckin g , l oggin g, us ingde bconf  as mu ch as  p ossible, etc)
< Spam apS> I do  th in k d eb ug-ho o ks nee dstotell me  wheret heho o k is  that I'm supposed  t o be  running ..
<m_ 3 >Sp a mapS: ne ve r d id d i g  thro ugha nd  figureout th e  s es sion pr ob lems w it h s cre en -v s - tm ux
<ki rkland>Spama p S: niemeyer an d  i exchangeda  f e w  e m ails ; i think i g aveh im a  sol u ti on( using  run- on e )f or the race conditi on  in sc reen<kirkland> Sp amapS: its o l ved it f or m e ,a t least
<m_3>kirkl and: I dol ove me s ome s creen
<k irkland>m _ 3: haveyou  tr ied  by o b u? 
<m_3> kirkla n d : no pe 
<kirkl and > m_3:giv e ' era s ho t
<m_3> k irkland:  a ct ua ll y,I thi n k it ins ta lls  t oge thern ow rig ht?
< kirk la nd >  m_ 3: scre e no n  ste ri od s
<k irk la nd> m _3:y eah , justtype 'byo bu' inst ea dof'scre en'
<kirkland >m_3: it'ssc ree n unde r the cove rs
<niemeyer> kirkland: It's asol ution , bu t it's on e t hat ma kes me qui te unh appy:( 
<k i r kland > m_ 3:wi th a bunch o f c onfig ur atio n enhan cements, status sc r ipt s, and keybin din gs
< k i rk lan d >n 
 i'm_working on_(albeit it may be_controversial), will_further_enhance this
<_mup_>_Bug_#766317: debug-log should_show relation settings_changes <Ensemble:In Progress by_jimbaker> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/766317_>
<SpamapS>_negronjl: you can run the hook with strace and/or gdb at that point. :)
<m_3>_SpamapS:_yeah, totally_wanna_dig_through debug-hooks next... 
<negronjl> SpamapS:_ cool. thx
<SpamapS> its awesome,_though I'm_bummed that it uses tmux now.. as I'm_starting_to love byobu's_alt-pgup/pgdn
<m_3> lots of cleanup to do first in formula_writing (idempotency checking, logging, using debconf_as much as_possible,_etc)
<SpamapS>_I do think debug-hooks_needs to tell me where the_hook is that I'm supposed to_be running..
<m_3> SpamapS: never did dig through_and figure out the session problems_with screen -vs- tmux
<kirkland> SpamapS:_niemeyer and_i exchanged a few emails;_ i think_i gave_him a solution_(using run-one) for the race condition_in screen
<kirkland> SpamapS:_it solved it for me, at_least
<m_3>_kirkland: I do_love_me_some screen
<kirkland>_m_3: have you_tried_byobu?
<m_3> kirkland:_nope
<kirkland>_m_3: give 'er a shot
<m_3> kirkland:_actually,_I think it installs together now right?
<kirkland>_m_3: screen on steriods
<kirkland>_m_3:_yeah, just type 'byobu'_instead of'screen'
<kirkland> m_3: it's screen_under the covers
<niemeyer> kirkland: It's a_solution, but_it's one_that makes me quite unhappy :(
<kirkland> m_3: with a bunch of_configuration enhancements, status scripts, and keybindings
<kirkland>_n