 the brakes on preparations for war, it would open the way for harder line usurpers to come in and take over. That fear of usurpers pushed the leaders to champion the most aggressive policies.

Some of the answer, too, can be found in the nature of bureaucracies. For the military leaders, for the Army and the Navy, taking the tough line was the way to argue for a larger share of the budget and to defend the legitimacy of their institutions against outcomes that would have weakened them, their influence, their leadership roles in society.

The Way Out?

JB: Of course, we don’t have these windows into decision-making in the DPRK. No one here can make assessments on what’s at play now in Pyongyang with full confidence. But the forces you’ve talked about—sanctions and the consequent fear of dying on the vine as irreplaceable resources run dry, the problem of no one wanting to appear weak before the hawks in the room pressing for decisive action, the decision to go to war under circumstances where no one believes the war should be fought—seems to me could all be applied to the DPRK in 2017, the North Korean side of the pathway to catastrophe. Based on your work, what thoughts would you offer to both sides to get off the trajectory toward conflict we appear to be traveling?

EH: Neither side should think war is inevitable. Once you decide that war becomes inevitable, the other options disappear, become irrelevant. And both sides become driven by desperation.

One must understand where pressure can lead. By the end, even moderate Japanese came to the conclusion that war with the US was inevitable by talking themselves into that corner, entrapping themselves into the ‘inevitability’ rhetoric.

Preconditions can close off negotiations, prevent them from getting underway. Japan’s Prime Minister, Konoe Fumimaro, in August 1941 proposed to US President Roosevelt that they meet in Alaska. Konoe’s hope was that the two of them together could achieve a great peace with the force of international diplomacy, conducted leader to leader, when no one else would be around to quibble with the details. Konoe knew the military officers would resist if they were in the room, especially in protecting their institutional interests. But he believed the outcome would be acceptance; with the leader having negotiated an agreement with the approval of the Emperor, the military would have gone along.

Konoe understood
the brakes on preparations for war, it would open the way for hard credit line usurpers to come in and take over. That concern of usurpers pushed the leaders to champion the about aggressive policy. 

 Some of the answer, too, can be found in the nature of bureaucracies. For the military drawing card, for the Army and the Navy, taking the tough lineage was the way to argue for a larger share of the budget and to defend the legitimacy of their institution against outcomes that would have weakened them, their influence, their leadership roles in company. 

 The Way Out? 

 JB: Of course, we do n’t have these windows into decision - devising in the DPRK. No one here can make assessments on what ’s at play now in Pyongyang with full assurance. But the forces you ’ve talked about — sanctions and the consequent fear of dying on the vine as irreplaceable resource run dry, the problem of no one wanting to appear weak before the hawks in the room pressing for decisive action, the decision to function to war under circumstances where no one believes the war should be fought — seem to me could all be applied to the DPRK in 2017, the North Korean side of the nerve pathway to catastrophe. free-base on your work, what thoughts would you extend to both sides to get off the trajectory toward conflict we appear to be traveling? 

 EH: Neither side should intend war is inevitable. Once you decide that war becomes inevitable, the other options disappear, become irrelevant. And both side become drive by desperation. 

 One must understand where pressure can lead. By the end, even moderate Japanese issue forth to the conclusion that war with the US was inevitable by talking themselves into that corner, ensnare themselves into the ‘ inevitability ’ rhetoric. 

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The Way Ouy?

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EH: Veitner siqe should hhink war is inevitable. Lnce iou dewide that aar becomes inevitable, the othec options dissp[eag, become nrreleyant. And both sydes become drnven by besperxtion.

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Some Of the answeR, toO, cAn be found in tHE nAture of burEauCracies. For thE miLitary LeAdeRS, for tHe ARmy anD the NaVY, takinG the tough LiNE was thE Way to arGUE fOr a lArger share of the buDGeT And to defend the LegitiMaCY oF THeiR inStitutions AgAinst OUtcomes THaT WOUld HAve weakened thEm, their inflUEncE, their LeAdeRShip roLes in SoCIetY.

The Way Out?

Jb: Of cOurse, we doN’t have THese winDOws into DecisiOn-mAkiNg in THe dPrK. NO oNE heRE cAn mAKe aSsessmenTs On What’s At plAY NOW in PYonGyanG with Full confidencE. BuT the FOrcEs you’Ve talKed aBoUt—sanCtions And thE cOnsequent fear of DyinG on the vinE as IrRepLaCeablE ResourCes Run Dry, the pRoblem oF No oNe WANTiNg to appear weak befoRe THE hAwks in thE room pREsSiNG for deciSiVe aCtioN, THe decIsioN To Go to war uNder ciRCuMsTances wHeRe no onE bEliEveS the wAR shoUld be fOught—seeMs to mE Could all be applIEd to the DPRK in 2017, THe nORtH koreAn sIde of the patHway TO catAstrOPhE. BaSEd on yOur woRk, WHaT Thoughts would you offEr To both Sides To get off the trAjectory toWARD conflicT we aPPeAR to be traveling?

eH: NeiTher side shOUld think War is InevitabLe. Once you DECide that War BecOmeS inEVItAble, the other oPTIons DiSappear, BecOme irreLevAnt. and BotH sIdes becomE driven bY dEsPeRaTioN.

One mUSt undersTaNd wHeRe pRessuRE can leAd. By tHe enD, eVeN ModErate JaPAnESE camE tO tHe coNclUsIon thAt waR WitH the US wAs inevitaBle BY talKiNg ThemselVes into that coRnEr, entrappiNg TheMselveS INto the ‘inEvitability’ rhetoric.

PrecONditionS caN closE off NegotiatiOns, PrevenT thEM from gEtting UnderWaY. JaPAN’s PriME miNisTeR, Konoe FumiMARo, iN AuguSt 1941 PropOsed to Us President RoosevelT ThaT they meet in AlAskA. KonOE’S hOpe WAs THat ThE Two OF Them together couLd achieve a GrEAt Peace with tHE foRcE of inteRnationAl dipLOmacy, coNducted leAder to leaDeR, wheN NO onE else would Be around To quibble WIth thE DeTails. konOe knew ThE miLitarY officERs wOuld rEsist iF tHey werE in thE rOom, especIally in protecting their iNstituTionaL inTerests. BuT he BEliEved the ouTcomE would be acCepTanCe; witH thE LeadeR havINg NegOTiateD an aGReement wiTH tHe aPPRoVal of the EmpEROR, thE miliTarY Would hAve gOne along.

Konoe undeRStood
 the brakes on preparation s for war,  it w oul d o pe n th e wa y for harder l i ne u surpers to come in and  take  o v er.T ha t fea r of us u rp e r s p us he d t he le aders  to  champi on the mos t a gg ressive poli c ie s.

Some o f t he answer, t oo,  can b efou n d inthe  natu re ofb ureauc racies. F or the mi l itary l e a de rs,for the Army andt he Navy, taking t he tou gh li n e  wa s t he way toar gue f o r a lar g er s h are of the budget  and to def e ndthe le gi tim a cy oftheir  i n sti tutions aga inst  outcomes  thatw ould ha v e weake ned th em,  th eiri nf lu enc e, the i rlea d ers hip role sin  soci ety. T h e Wa y O ut?
JB:Of course, we  do n’th ave  thes e win dows  i nto d ecisio n-mak in g in the DPRK.No o ne here c anma keas sessm e nts on  wh at’ s at pl ay nowi n P yo n g y an g with full confid en c e .But theforces yo u’ v e talked  a bou t—sa n c tions  and th e conseq uent f e ar  o f dying  o n thevi neasirrep l acea ble re sourcesrun d r y, the problem of no one wan t in g to appe arweak before  the hawk s in th e r o om pr essin gf or decisive action, th edecisi on to  go to war un der circum s t a nces whe re n o  o n e believes the  warshould bef ought—se ems t o me cou ld all be a pplied t o t heDPR K i n 20 17, the North K orea nside of  th e pathw aytocat ast ro phe. Base d on you rwo rk ,wha t tho u ghts wou ld  yo uoff er to both s idesto g et  o f f t he traj e ct o r y to wa rd  con fli ct  we a ppea r  to  be tra veling?
EH: Neit he rside sh ould think wa ris inevita bl e.Once y o u  decidethat war becomes inevit a ble, th e o theropti ons disap pea r, bec ome irrele vant.And b ot h s i d es be c o me  dr iv en by desp e r ati on.
On e mu st unde rstand where press u recan lead. Bythe  end , ev enm od e rat eJ apa n e se came to theconclusion  t h at  war witht heUS  was in evitabl e byt alkingthemselve s into th at  cor n e r,entrapping  themsel ves intot he ‘i n ev itabi lit y’ rhe to ric .

Pr econdi t ion s can  close  o ff neg otiat io ns, prev ent them from getting u nderwa y. Ja pan ’s PrimeMin i ste r, KonoeFumi maro, in A ugu st1941pro p osedto U S  P res i dentRoos e velt that th eym e et  in Alaska. K o noe ’s ho pew as tha t th e two of them tog e ther could ach ieve a  gr eat peac ewith the force  of  i n t ernation al  diplomacy,  conduct ed leade r to l eader,  when n o on e  elsewoul d b e aroundtoqu i bble wi th  t h e deta ils.  K onoe k new th e  mil i t ary officers wou ld re s i st if the y wer ein ther oom,  especiall y in protec ting t heir  inst itution al  inter est s.  But he be l ieved the  outc ome wou ld  beacc eptanc e; w i t h the  lea de r h aving neg o t ia t ed  a n  ag reem ent w it h th e approva l  of theEmp e ror, th emil i t ary wo u ld h ave gone a lon g.

K o n oe underst o od
 the_brakes on_preparations for war, it_would open_the_way for_harder_line usurpers to_come in and_take over. That fear_of usurpers pushed_the_leaders to champion the most aggressive policies.

Some of the answer, too, can be found_in_the nature_of_bureaucracies._For the military leaders, for_the Army and the Navy,_taking the_tough line was the way to argue for_a_larger share of_the budget and to defend the legitimacy of their_institutions against outcomes that would have_weakened them, their_influence,_their_leadership roles in society.

The_Way Out?

JB: Of course, we don’t_have these windows into decision-making in_the DPRK. No one here can make_assessments on what’s at play now_in Pyongyang with full confidence._But the_forces you’ve talked about—sanctions and_the consequent fear_of dying_on the vine_as irreplaceable resources run dry, the_problem of no_one wanting to appear weak before_the_hawks in the_room_pressing_for decisive_action, the decision_to_go to_war_under circumstances where no one believes_the_war should be fought—seems to me could_all be applied to_the_DPRK in 2017, the_North Korean side of the_pathway to catastrophe. Based on your_work, what_thoughts would_you offer to both sides to get off the trajectory toward_conflict we appear to be traveling?

EH:_Neither side should think_war is_inevitable._Once you decide_that_war becomes_inevitable, the other options disappear, become irrelevant._And both_sides become driven by desperation.

One must_understand where pressure can_lead._By the end, even moderate Japanese_came to the conclusion that war_with the US was inevitable_by_talking_themselves into that corner, entrapping_themselves into the ‘inevitability’ rhetoric.

Preconditions can_close off negotiations,_prevent them from getting underway. Japan’s Prime_Minister,_Konoe Fumimaro, in August 1941 proposed_to_US President Roosevelt that they meet_in_Alaska._Konoe’s hope was that the_two of them together could achieve_a great peace with the force of international diplomacy,_conducted leader to_leader, when no one else_would_be_around to quibble with the details. Konoe knew the military_officers would_resist if they_were in the room, especially in protecting their institutional interests._But he believed the outcome would be_acceptance; with the leader having negotiated an agreement with the approval_of the Emperor, the military would have gone_along.

Konoe understood