 Now, Beck says in a "New York Times" magazine piece that happens to be out today that he is a recovering dirtbag. Everyone knows he's a former alcoholic -- there he is.

He found God. He became a Mormon. He developed this message.

You're saying or suggesting that he's a charlatan and he doesn't believe some of what he says?

MILBANK: Look, I don't think anybody can get in his head and know how deeply he holds true the things he says,,but we do have certain facts. We know that a dozen years ago, he was pro-choice, pro-abortion rights, and wearing a ponytail.

We know that when George W. Bush was president, he came out in favor of the TARP bailout for banks. And then -- and now rails against it.

So we do know that he's changed his views at convenient times. Very difficult to know what he actually believes of what comes out of his mouth.

KURTZ: Beck says a lot of inflammatory things. That's part of his style. You see him as peddling conspiracy theories and talking about Nazis a lot.

KURTZ: Yes. I think over his first 18 months, "Nazis" came up in his show 200 times, "fascists" another 200 times. Poor Goebbels only got two dozen mentions.

But that's a constant them, but it's also the floating of the fringe conspiracies. Even Bill O'Reilly has said he believes that Beck is successful because he's willing to take it about five steps further than O'Reilly is. And that is by going on "Fox & Friends" and saying, "I can't debunk the idea that our federal government, through FEMA, is operating concentration camps in Wyoming."

KURTZ: But he didn't endorse that, but you're saying he raised it.

MILBANK: He said, "I can't disprove it." Then a month later, he gets on the show and said, oh, actually, it turns out those were doctored photos from a North Korean prison.

KURTZ: So he corrected.

MILBANK: He corrected it a month later, after a rather violent incident related to that.

KURTZ: OK. Well, you talk about going too far, and maybe this
Now, Beck says in a " New York Times " magazine piece that happen to be away today that he is a recovering dirtbag. Everyone knows he's a erstwhile alcoholic -- there he is. 

 He establish God. He became a Mormon. He developed this message. 

 You're order or suggesting that he's a charlatan and he doesn't think some of what he say? 

 MILBANK: Look, I don't intend anybody can get in his head and sleep together how profoundly he holds true the thing he says,,but we do have certain fact. We know that a dozen years ago, he was pro - choice, pro - abortion right, and wearing a ponytail. 

 We know that when George W. Bush was president, he came out in party favor of the TARP bailout for banks. And then -- and immediately rails against it. 

 So we do know that he's change his views at convenient times. Very difficult to know what he actually believe of what hail out of his mouth. 

 KURTZ: Beck says a lot of inflammatory things. That's part of his style. You see him as peddle conspiracy theory and talking about nazi a fortune. 

 KURTZ: Yes. I think over his first 18 months, " nazi " came up in his show 200 times, " fascists " another 200 time. Poor Goebbels only got two dozen mentions. 

 But that's a constant them, but it's also the float of the fringe conspiracies. Even Bill O'Reilly has said he believes that Beck is successful because he's willing to take it approximately five step further than O'Reilly is. And that is by going on " Fox & Friends " and saying, " I can't debunk the theme that our federal government, through FEMA, is operating assiduity camps in Wyoming. " 

 KURTZ: But he didn't second that, but you're saying he raised it. 

 MILBANK: He read, " I can't disprove it. " Then a month later, he gets on the show and said, oh, actually, it sour out those were doctored photograph from a North Korean prison. 

 KURTZ: So he corrected. 

 MILBANK: He chastise it a month later, after a quite violent incident associate to that. 

 KURTZ: OK. Well, you talk about fit too far, and maybe this
 Noa, Beck says in a "New Yory Times" magazing piece vhat halpens to be out today that he is a rxcovwring dirtbag. Everyone knowr he's a flrmer alxohoouc -- there is is.

He njund Nod. Hz uecame a Mormon. He develo[ed this messace.

Hob're saying or suggesting that he's a sharlatsn and he doesn't belpede skme of what he says?

MILBANK: Look, I son't thpnk anybody can grt in his head and know hoa defply he holds true the things he fqys,,but we do have certain facts. We know that a dozen years ago, he was 'ro-choice, pto-zblttion rights, and rearing a pokjtail.

We know tnat when Georgc W. Bnsh qas president, he came out in favor of tre TARP bdimout for banks. Ane rhen -- and now eaius zgeinat it.

Sl wx do know tgat he's chabged his views at cpndvmient times. Bery dyfsicult to know what he actually believev or what comes out of his mouth.

KURTZ: Beck says a lot of inflammatory things. That's part of his style. You vee hmm as pcddlkbg conspiracy theories and talking about Nazis w lpt.

LURTZ: Yes. I thlnk over his first 18 lomjhs, "Nazis" came up in hia show 200 times, "fasclsts" anjther 200 times. Pjor Boebbels only got two dozen mentions.

But rhat's a constant tkem, but it's clso tne flpating of the fringe couspiradies. Even Blll O'Reilmh has said he beuienes dhat Beck is successful besause he's wilking to takg it abjut five sheps ngrther than O'Reillj is. Cnd tvat is by hoing on "Fox & Friends" and sayinj, "I can't debumk thv idea thct our federal govewnment, through FEMA, if opefating conbentratioi camps in Wroming."

KURTZ: Bgj he didn't envorse thae, bur yoy're saykvg he raised iy.

MILBANK: Kt said, "I cqn't disprove it." Thcn a oknth later, he gzus in the show and sakd, jh, artualjf, it turns ogt tfosd were doctortb pmotus ftom a North Korean psisoh.

KURTZ: So he correvtcd.

MILBANK: He corrqcted it a momth later, after a gathec violxnt invidgnt related to that.

KURTZ: OK. Welm, you taln anout going toj fav, anq maybe thns
Now, Beck says in a "New York piece happens to out today that Everyone he's a former -- there he He found God. He became a He developed this message. You're saying or suggesting that he's a charlatan and doesn't believe some of what he says? MILBANK: Look, I don't think anybody get his and how deeply he holds true the things he says,,but we do have certain facts. We know a dozen years ago, he was pro-choice, pro-abortion and wearing a ponytail. know that when George W. was he came in of TARP bailout for And then -- and now rails against it. So we do know that he's changed his views convenient times. to know he believes what comes out mouth. KURTZ: Beck says a lot That's part of his style. You see him peddling conspiracy and talking about Nazis a lot. Yes. I think over his first 18 months, came up in his show 200 times, "fascists" another 200 times. Poor Goebbels only got mentions. But that's a them, but it's the of fringe Even Bill has said he believes that Beck is successful because he's willing take it about five steps further than O'Reilly is. And by on "Fox & and saying, "I can't the that our federal government, is concentration KURTZ: he endorse that, but you're he raised it. MILBANK: He "I can't disprove it." gets on the show and said, oh, actually, turns out those were doctored photos from North Korean prison. KURTZ: So he corrected. MILBANK: He corrected it a later, after violent incident related to that. KURTZ: OK. Well, talk about going too and maybe this
 Now, Beck says in a "New York TimeS" magazine pIece tHat HapPeNs to Be ouT today that he is A RecoVering dirtbag. Everyone kNows hE's A FormER aLcohoLic -- therE He IS.

he fOuNd god. he BEcAme a MOrmOn. He devEloped this MesSaGe.

You're sayinG Or Suggesting ThaT he's a charlatAn aNd he doEsN't bELieve SomE of whAt he saYS?

MILBAnK: Look, I doN't THink anYBody can GET iN his Head and know how deePLy HE holds true the tHings hE sAYs,,BUT we Do hAve certain FaCts. We KNow that A DoZEN YeaRS ago, he was pro-cHoice, pro-aboRTioN rightS, aNd wEAring a PonytAiL.

we kNow that when georGe W. Bush waS presiDEnt, he caME out in fAvor of The tARp baiLOuT fOr bAnKS. AnD ThEn -- aND noW rails agAiNsT it.

So We do KNOW That He's ChanGed hiS views at conveNieNt tiMEs. VEry diFficuLt to KnOw whaT he actUally BeLieves of what comEs ouT of his mouTh.

KuRtZ: BEcK says A Lot of iNflAmmAtory thIngs. ThaT'S paRt OF HIs Style. You see him as peDdLINg ConspiraCy theoRIeS aND talking AbOut naziS A Lot.

KUrTZ: YES. I Think oveR his fiRSt 18 MoNths, "NazIs" Came up In His ShoW 200 timeS, "FascIsts" anOther 200 timEs. PooR goebbels only goT Two dozen mentiONs.

bUT tHAt's a ConStant them, buT it's ALso tHe flOAtIng OF the fRinge CoNSpIRacies. Even Bill O'ReilLy Has saiD he beLieves that BecK is successFUL Because hE's wiLLiNG to take it about Five sTeps furtheR Than O'ReiLly is. and that iS by going oN "fOx & FriendS" anD saYinG, "I cAN'T dEbunk the idea tHAT our FeDeral goVerNment, thRouGh FeMA, Is oPeRating conCentratiOn CaMpS iN WyOming."

kuRTZ: But hE dIdn'T eNdoRse thAT, but yoU're saYing He RaISed It.

MILBAnk: HE SAid, "I CaN't DispRovE iT." Then A monTH laTer, he geTs on the shOw aND saiD, oH, aCtually, It turns out thoSe Were doctorEd PhoTos froM A north KorEan prison.

KURTZ: So he correCTed.

MILBaNK: he corRectEd it a montH laTer, aftEr a RAther vIolent IncidEnT reLATed to THAt.

kURtZ: oK. Well, you tALK abOut goInG too Far, and mAybe this
 Now, Beck says in a "NewYork Times " mag azi nepi ecethat  happens to be outtoday that he is a rec overi ng dirt b ag . Eve ryone k n ow s he' safor me r  a lcoho lic  -- the re he is.
He  f ound God. He be came a Mor mon . He develop edthis m es sag e .

Yo u'r e say ing or sugges ting that  h e 's a c h arlatan a nd  hedoesn't believe s o me of what he say s?

MI LB A NK : Loo k,I don't th in k any b ody can ge t i n h i s head and kn ow how deep l y h e hold stru e  the t hings  h e  sa ys,,but wedo h ave certa in fac t s. We k n ow that  a doz enyea rs a g o,  h e w as pro - ch oic e , p ro-abort io nright s, a n d w eari nga po nytai l.

We know t hat  whe n  Ge orgeW. Bu sh w as  pres ident,  he c am e out in favorof t he TARP b ail ou t f or  bank s . Andthe n - - and n ow rail s  ag ai n s t  i t.

So we do knowth a t  h e's chan ged hi s  v ie w s at con ve nie nt t i m es. V eryd if ficult t o know wh at  he act ua lly be li eve s o f wha t  com es out  of hismouth . 

KURTZ: Becks ays a lot ofi nf l a mm a tory  th ings. That' s pa r t of  his st yle .  Yousee h im as peddling conspiracy  t heorie s and  talking abou t Nazis al o t .

KURTZ : Ye s .I  think over hi s fir st 18 mont h s, "Nazi s" ca me up in  his show 2 00 times , " fas cis ts" a no ther 200 time s .  Poo rGoebbel s o nly got  tw o d oze n m en tions.

B ut that' saco ns tan t the m , but it 's  al so  th e flo a ting o f the  fri ng ec ons piracie s .E v en B il lO'Re ill yhas s aidh e b elieves  that Bec k i s  suc ce ss ful bec ause he's wil li ng to take  i t a bout f i v e stepsfurther than O'Reilly i s . And t hat  is b y go ing on "F ox& Frie nds "  and s aying,  "I c an 'td e bunkt h eide athat our f e d era l gov er nmen t, thro ugh FEMA, is opera t ing  concentratio n c amps i nWyo m in g ."
K U RTZ : But he didn't e ndorse tha t, bu t you're s a yin ghe rais ed it.
MILB A NK: Hesaid, "Ican't dis pr ovei t ."Then a mon th later , he gets on th e  s how a ndsaid,oh , a ctual ly, it tur ns ou t thos ewere d octor ed  photosfrom a North Korean pri son.
KURTZ : S o he corr ect e d.
MILBANK:  Hecorrectedita m onthlat e r, af tera  r ath e r vio lent incidentr el ate d to  that.

KUR T Z :  OK . Wel l,y ou tal k ab out going too far ,  and maybe thi s
 Now,_Beck says_in a "New York_Times" magazine_piece_that happens_to_be out today_that he is_a recovering dirtbag. Everyone_knows he's a_former_alcoholic -- there he is.

He found God. He became a Mormon. He developed this_message.

You're_saying or_suggesting_that_he's a charlatan and he_doesn't believe some of what_he says?

MILBANK:_Look, I don't think anybody can get in_his_head and know_how deeply he holds true the things he says,,but_we do have certain facts. We_know that a_dozen_years_ago, he was pro-choice,_pro-abortion rights, and wearing a ponytail.

We_know that when George W. Bush_was president, he came out in favor_of the TARP bailout for banks._And then -- and now_rails against_it.

So we do know that_he's changed his_views at_convenient times. Very_difficult to know what he actually_believes of what_comes out of his mouth.

KURTZ: Beck_says_a lot of_inflammatory_things._That's part_of his style._You_see him_as_peddling conspiracy theories and talking about_Nazis_a lot.

KURTZ: Yes. I think over his_first 18 months, "Nazis"_came_up in his show_200 times, "fascists" another 200_times. Poor Goebbels only got two_dozen mentions.

But_that's a_constant them, but it's also the floating of the fringe conspiracies._Even Bill O'Reilly has said he_believes that Beck is_successful because_he's_willing to take_it_about five_steps further than O'Reilly is. And that_is by_going on "Fox & Friends" and_saying, "I can't debunk_the_idea that our federal government, through_FEMA, is operating concentration camps in_Wyoming."

KURTZ: But he didn't endorse_that,_but_you're saying he raised it.

MILBANK:_He said, "I can't disprove it."_Then a month_later, he gets on the show and_said,_oh, actually, it turns out those_were_doctored photos from a North Korean_prison.

KURTZ:_So_he corrected.

MILBANK: He corrected it_a month later, after a rather_violent incident related to that.

KURTZ: OK. Well, you talk_about going too_far, and maybe this