al Publishing and Marketing Group Provided by SyndiGate Media Inc. (Syndigate.info). After reviewing our debate (which I’m reposting below), I realized there were a few points where I misunderstood what Friedman was saying. It will not surprise you to hear that I think there were also several points where he misunderstood me. (For one obvious example, of course I know that modern physicists think the universe is non-Euclidean. That has nothing to do with my point: Even in light of that fact, if a student in 7th grade tried to “prove” theorems in geometry by appeal to experiments, he should be marked down heavily for totally misunderstanding how geometry works.)

Rather than re-litigating every twist and turn in the debate, let me try a new way of motivating my position (and I’ll send this post to David to see if he’s interesting in pursuing the discussion). I claim that the people who today consider themselves free-market economists got that way not because of empirical research, but because they read ingenious thought experiments from the likes of Bastiat, Say, Henry Hazlitt, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, David Friedman, and Steve Landsburg.

Take free trade in particular. Nobody believes in free trade because of regression analyses, or of “natural experiments” in which some country dropped tariff barriers as an offshoot of some other, unrelated event. Rather, people believe in free trade because of brilliant explanations such as David’s own “Iowa Car Crop” (which I first read in Landsburg’s Armchair Economist, and which Steve correctly described as “a thing of beauty” that can “change the way we see the world”).

Going further, to the extent that you might abandon your teenage belief in free trade, it would again be due to a thought experiment, a simplified tale showing how (say) a big country could affect the world price of cotton and so maybe a small tariff could, in principle, be welfare-enhancing. Even here, the disputes would be more philosophical rather than empirical. Nobody would convince someone to change his mind on free trade, by pointing to empirical evidence. For example, I remember when Pat Buchanan and some others pointed to the strength of the US economy when there were high tariff barriers. That didn’t faze me a bit (and still doesn’t), because there are a million moving parts in these historical analyses.
al Publishing and Marketing Group Provided by SyndiGate Media Inc. (Syndigate.info). After reviewing our debate (which I ’m reposting below), I realize there be a few points where I misunderstood what Friedman was saying. It will not storm you to hear that I think there were besides respective points where he misunderstood me. (For one obvious example, of course I know that advanced physicists think the population is non - Euclidean. That has nothing to do with my point: Even in light of that fact, if a student in 7th class tried to “ prove ” theorems in geometry by solicitation to experiments, he should be marked down heavily for totally misconstrue how geometry works .) 

 quite than re - litigating every twist and call on in the debate, let me try a new way of motivating my position (and I ’ll send this post to David to see if he ’s interesting in pursuing the discussion). I claim that the people who today consider themselves free - market economists got that manner not because of empirical research, but because they understand ingenious thought experiments from the likes of Bastiat, Say, Henry Hazlitt, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, David Friedman, and Steve Landsburg. 

 consider free trade in particular. Nobody believes in spare trade because of regression analyses, or of “ natural experiments ” in which some country dismiss tariff barriers as an offshoot of some other, unrelated consequence. Rather, multitude think in spare trade because of brilliant explanations such as David ’s own “ Iowa Car Crop ” (which I foremost read in Landsburg ’s Armchair Economist, and which Steve correctly described as “ a thing of beauty ” that can “ change the way we see the world ”). 

 Going far, to the extent that you might abandon your adolescent belief in free trade, it would again be due to a thought experiment, a simplified tale read how (say) a large country could feign the world price of cotton and so maybe a small duty could, in principle, be welfare - enhancing. Even here, the disputes would be more philosophic rather than empirical. Nobody would convince someone to change his thinker on complimentary trade, by pointing to empiric evidence. For example, I remember when Pat Buchanan and some others pointed to the strength of the US economy when there were high tariff barrier. That did n’t faze me a bit (and still does n’t), because there are a million moving parts in these historical analysis.
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al Publishing and Marketing Group Provided by Inc. After reviewing debate (which I’m were few points where misunderstood what Friedman saying. It will not surprise you hear that I think there were also several points where he misunderstood me. one obvious example, of course I know that modern physicists think the universe non-Euclidean. has to with my point: Even in light of that fact, if a student in 7th grade tried “prove” theorems in geometry by appeal to experiments, should be marked down for totally misunderstanding how geometry Rather re-litigating every and in debate, let me a new way of motivating my position (and I’ll send this post to David to see if interesting in discussion). I that people today consider themselves got that way not because of because they read ingenious thought experiments from the of Bastiat, Henry Hazlitt, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, David Friedman, and Steve Take free trade in particular. Nobody believes in free trade because of regression analyses, or experiments” in which some dropped tariff barriers an of other, event. Rather, believe in free trade because of brilliant explanations such as David’s “Iowa Car Crop” (which I first read in Landsburg’s Armchair which correctly described as thing of beauty” that “change way we see the further, the might your belief in free trade, would again be due to thought experiment, a simplified big country could affect the world price of and so maybe a small tariff could, principle, be welfare-enhancing. Even here, the disputes would be more philosophical rather empirical. Nobody someone to change his mind on free trade, pointing to empirical evidence. example, I remember when Pat Buchanan and some others to strength of US economy when were high tariff That didn’t faze bit (and doesn’t), there moving parts in these historical analyses.
al Publishing and Marketing GRoup ProvidEd by SYndIGaTe mediA Inc. (syndigate.info). AFTer rEviewing our debate (which i’m repOsTIng bELoW), I reaLized thERe WERe a FeW pOinTs WHeRe I miSunDerstooD what FriedMan WaS saying. It wilL NoT surprise yOu tO hear that I thInk There wErE alSO seveRal PointS where HE misunDerstood mE. (FOR one obVIous exaMPLe, Of coUrse I know that modeRN pHYsicists think tHe univErSE iS NOn-EUclIdean. That hAs NothiNG to do wiTH mY POInt: eVen in light of tHat fact, if a sTUdeNt in 7th GrAde TRied to “Prove” ThEOreMs in geometrY by aPpeal to exPerimeNTs, he shoULd be marKed dowN heAviLy foR ToTaLly MiSUndERsTanDIng How geomeTrY wOrks.)

RAtheR THAN re-lItiGatiNg eveRy twist and turN in The dEBatE, let mE try a New wAy Of motIvatinG my poSiTion (and I’ll send tHis pOst to DaviD to SeE if He’S inteREsting In pUrsUing the DiscussIOn). I ClAIM ThAt the people who todaY cONSiDer themsElves fREe-MaRKet econoMiSts Got tHAT way nOt beCAuSe of empiRical rESeArCh, but beCaUse theY rEad IngEniouS ThouGht expEriments From tHE likes of BastiaT, say, Henry HazliTT, MILToN frieDmaN, Ludwig von MIses, fRiedRich hAyEk, MURray ROthbaRd, dAvID Friedman, and Steve LaNdSburg.

TAke frEe trade in partIcular. NoboDY BElieves iN freE TrADe because of regRessiOn analyses, OR of “naturAl expEriments” In which soME Country dRopPed TarIff BARrIers as an offshOOT of sOmE other, uNreLated evEnt. ratHer, PeoPlE believe iN free traDe BeCaUsE of BrillIAnt explaNaTioNs SucH as DaVId’s own “iowa CAr CrOp” (WhICh I First reAD iN lAndsBuRg’S ArmChaIr econoMist, ANd wHich SteVe correctLy dEScriBeD aS “a thing Of beauty” that cAn “Change the wAy We sEe the wORLd”).

Going fUrther, to the extent that yoU Might abAndOn youR teeNage belieF in Free trAde, IT would Again bE due tO a ThoUGHt expERImEnt, A sImplified tALE shOwing HoW (say) A big couNtry could affect the WOrlD price of cottoN anD so mAYBe A smALl TAriFf COulD, IN principle, be welFare-enhancInG. evEn here, the dISpuTeS would bE more phIlosoPHical raTher than eMpirical. NObOdy wOULd cOnvince somEone to chAnge his miND on frEE tRade, bY poInting To EmpIricaL evideNCe. FOr exaMple, I rEmEmber wHen PaT BUchanan aNd some others pointed to thE strenGth of The uS economy WheN TheRe were higH tarIff barrierS. ThAt dIdn’t fAze ME a bit (And sTIlL doESn’t), beCausE There are a MIlLioN MOvIng parts in tHESE hiStoriCal ANalyseS.
al Publishing and Marketin g Group Pr ovide d b y S yn diGa te M edia Inc. (Syn d igat e.info). After reviewi ng ou rd ebat e  ( which  I’m re p os t i ngbe lo w),  I re alize d t here we re a few p oin ts  where I mis u nd erstood wh atFriedman was  sa ying.It  wi l l not  su rpris e yout o hear  that I t hi n k ther e  were a l s oseve ral points whereh em isunderstood m e. (Fo ro ne o bvi ous  example,of  cour s e I kno w  t h a t  mo d ern physicist s think the uni verseis  no n -Eucli dean.  T h athas nothing  todo with m y poin t : Eveni n light  of th atfac t, i f  a  s tud en t  in 7t h g r ade  tried t o“p rove”  the o r e m s in  ge omet ry by  appeal to ex per imen t s,he sh ouldbe m ar ked d own he avily  f or totally misu nder standinghow  g eom et ry wo r ks.)
Rat her  than r e-litig a tin ge v e ry  twist and turn in  t h e  d ebate, l et met ry  a new wayof  mo tiva t i ng my  pos i ti on (andI’ll s e nd  t his pos tto Dav id  to  se e ifh e’sintere sting in  purs u ing the discus s ion). I claim th a t  t h e pe opl e who today  con s ider  the m se lve s  free -mark et ec o nomists got that wa ynot be cause  of empirical  research, b u t becaus e th e yr ead ingeniousthoug ht experim e nts from  thelikes of  Bastiat, S ay, Henr y H azl itt , M i l to n Friedman, L u d wigvo n Mises , F riedric h H aye k,Mur ra y Rothbar d, David  F ri ed ma n,and S t eve Land sb urg .
Ta ke fr e e trad e inpart ic ul a r.Nobodyb el i e vesin  f reetra de  beca useo f r egressi on analys es, or o f“n aturalexperiments”in  which som ecou ntry d r o pped tar iff barriers as an offs h oot ofsom e oth er,unrelated  ev ent. R ath e r, peo ple be lieve  i n f r e e tra d e  b eca us e of brill i a ntexpla na tion s suchas David’s own “Io w a C ar Crop” (whi chI fi r s trea d  i n  La nd s bur g ’ s Armchair Econ omist, and  w h ic h Steve co r rec tl y descr ibed as  “a t h ing ofbeauty” t hat can “ ch ange t heway we see  the wor ld”).

Go i ng fu r th er, t o t he ext en t t hat y ou mig h t a bando n your  t eenage  beli ef  in free  trade, it would againbe due  to a  th ought exp eri m ent , a simpl ifie d tale sho win g h ow (s ay) a big  cou n tr y c o uld a ffec t  the worl d  p ric e of  cotton and s o  ma ybe a  sm a ll tar iffcould, in princip l e, be welfare- enha n c ing . E v en h er e, the dispute s w ou l d  be more  p hilosophica l rather  t h an em pirica l. Nob ody wou l d  c o nvince  som eon e to chan gehi s  mind o nfr e e trad e, b ypointi ng toe mpir i c al evidence. For  exam p l e, Ir eme mberwh en PatB ucha nan and so me others p ointed  tothe s trength  o f theUSec onomy when there wer e hig h tarif fbarr ier s. Tha t di d n ’t fa ze m ea b it (and s t i ll do es n ’t) , be cause  t here  are a mi l lion mov ing parts i nthe s e  histo r ic a l  analyses. 
al Publishing_and Marketing_Group Provided by SyndiGate_Media Inc._(Syndigate.info)._After reviewing_our_debate (which I’m_reposting below), I_realized there were a_few points where_I_misunderstood what Friedman was saying. It will not surprise you to hear that I_think_there were_also_several_points where he misunderstood me._(For one obvious example, of_course I_know that modern physicists think the universe is_non-Euclidean._That has nothing_to do with my point: Even in light of_that fact, if a student in_7th grade tried_to_“prove”_theorems in geometry by_appeal to experiments, he should be_marked down heavily for totally misunderstanding_how geometry works.)

Rather than re-litigating every twist_and turn in the debate, let_me try a new way_of motivating_my position (and I’ll send_this post to_David to_see if he’s_interesting in pursuing the discussion). I_claim that the_people who today consider themselves free-market_economists_got that way_not_because_of empirical_research, but because_they_read ingenious_thought_experiments from the likes of Bastiat,_Say,_Henry Hazlitt, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises,_Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard,_David_Friedman, and Steve Landsburg.

Take_free trade in particular. Nobody_believes in free trade because of_regression analyses,_or of_“natural experiments” in which some country dropped tariff barriers as an_offshoot of some other, unrelated event._Rather, people believe in_free trade_because_of brilliant explanations_such_as David’s_own “Iowa Car Crop” (which I first_read in_Landsburg’s Armchair Economist, and which Steve_correctly described as “a_thing_of beauty” that can “change the_way we see the world”).

Going further,_to the extent that you_might_abandon_your teenage belief in free_trade, it would again be due_to a thought_experiment, a simplified tale showing how (say)_a_big country could affect the world_price_of cotton and so maybe a_small_tariff_could, in principle, be welfare-enhancing._Even here, the disputes would be_more philosophical rather than empirical. Nobody would convince someone_to change his_mind on free trade, by_pointing_to_empirical evidence. For example, I remember when Pat Buchanan and_some others_pointed to the_strength of the US economy when there were high tariff_barriers. That didn’t faze me a bit_(and still doesn’t), because there are a million moving parts in_these historical analyses.