. In fact, they are a vulture investor or a disaster capitalist who’s coming in and trying to make as much money as a Wall Street investor off of this climate crisis.

And what they’re going to do is try to extract as much money from this processes as possible. And at the end of the day, that’s not actually about resilience. And so at least in a public institution, if we are the ones that buy it, we have more recourse than we would elsewhere.

DHARNA NOOR: And what about the climate impact? So in the wake of these fires on Wednesday, the youth led environmental advocacy group, The Sunrise Movement held a sit in at house speaker and Nancy Pelosi’s office demanding climate action. And of course, wildfires are fueled by the climate crisis. Wildfires themselves are normal, but they’ve become much more severe as this state has gotten hotter and drier. The climate crisis is of course, fueled literally by the use of fossil fuels. And in a recent article in Teen Vogue, Greta Moran noted that five years ago, Burlington Vermont “Became the first city in the US to move to a hundred percent renewables while maintaining the same rates since 2009.” But some have also noted that public utilities don’t always move away from fossil fuels more quickly.

For instance, again on Democracy Now, Leah Stokes noted that public utilities in California resisted the first clean energy law passed in 2002 so it didn’t even apply to them. Does public ownership necessarily mean that a utilities become more sustainable and if not, how can folks really push to make sure that public utility’s actually do take climate action?

JOHANNA BOZUWA: Yeah, and so I think that’s a really important point. Obviously not all publicly owned utilities are operating like we’d like them to, and they may not even have democratic processes to the extent that we want. But with public institutions, we are not waiting for the benevolence of a, for instance, an investor owned utility to go to 100% renewable. We have more methods of accountability in a way that we would not have had otherwise. For instance, just things like having the open meetings act so that we can get access to meetings and open information act that give us access to governmental information.

So those are just on a very baseline, create more opportunities for us to organize. And in the end these public institutions are
. In fact, they are a vulture investor or a disaster capitalist who ’s coming in and trying to make equally much money as a Wall Street investor off of this climate crisis. 

 And what they ’re sound to do is try to press out equally much money from this processes as possible. And at the end of the sidereal day, that ’s not actually about resilience. And indeed at least in a public institution, if we are the one that buy it, we have more recourse than we would elsewhere. 

 DHARNA NOOR: And what about the climate shock? So in the wake of these fire on Wednesday, the youth led environmental advocacy group, The Sunrise Movement held a sit in at house speaker and Nancy Pelosi ’s office demand climate action. And of course, wildfires are fuel by the climate crisis. Wildfires themselves are normal, but they ’ve become much more severe as this state has gotten hot and drier. The climate crisis is of course, fueled literally by the use of fossil fuels. And in a late article in Teen Vogue, Greta Moran noted that five years ago, Burlington Vermont “ Became the first city in the US to move to a hundred percent renewables while keep the same rates since 2009. ” But some have also noted that public utilities do n’t always move away from fossil fuels more quickly. 

 For case, again on Democracy Now, Leah Stokes noted that public utility in California protest the first clean energy law passed in 2002 so it did n’t even apply to them. Does public ownership inevitably mean that a utilities become more sustainable and if not, how can folks really push to make sure that public utility ’s actually do take climate action? 

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DHARNa NoOR: AnD What aboUT tHE CLimATe impact? So in tHe wake of theSE fiRes on WEdNesDAy, the yOuth lEd ENviRonmental adVocaCy group, ThE SunriSE MovemeNT held a sIt in at HouSe sPeakER aNd nanCy pEloSI’s OffICe dEmanding ClImAte acTion. aND OF couRse, WildFires Are fueled by thE clImatE CriSis. WiLdfirEs thEmSelveS are noRmal, bUt They’ve become mucH morE severe as ThiS sTatE hAs gotTEn hottEr aNd dRier. The Climate CRisIs IS OF cOurse, fueled literalLy BY ThE use of foSsil fuELs. anD In a recenT aRtiCle iN tEen VoGue, GREtA Moran noTed thaT FiVe Years agO, BUrlingToN VeRmoNt “BecAMe thE first City in thE US to MOve to a hundred pERcent renewablES wHILe MAintAinIng the same rAtes SInce 2009.” but sOMe HavE Also nOted tHaT PuBLic utilities don’t alwAyS move aWay frOm fossil fuels More quicklY.

fOR instancE, agaIN oN democracy Now, LeAh StoKes noted thAT public uTilitIes in CalIfornia reSISted the fIrsT clEan EneRGY lAw passed in 2002 so iT DIdn’t EvEn apply To tHem. Does PubLic OwnErsHiP necessarIly mean tHaT a UtIlItiEs becOMe more suStAinAbLe aNd if nOT, how caN folkS reaLlY pUSh tO make suRE tHAT pubLiC uTiliTy’s AcTuallY do tAKe cLimate aCtion?

JOHAnNA boZUWa: YEaH, and so I Think that’s a reAlLy importanT pOinT. ObvioUSLy not all Publicly owned utilities aRE operatIng Like wE’d liKe them to, aNd tHey may Not EVen havE democRatic PrOceSSEs to tHE ExTenT tHat we want. BUT WitH publIc InstItutionS, we are not waiting foR The Benevolence of A, foR insTANcE, an INvEStoR oWNed UTIlity to go to 100% reneWable. We havE mORe Methods of aCCouNtAbility In a way tHat we WOuld not Have had otHerwise. FoR iNstaNCE, juSt things liKe having The open meETings ACt So thaT we Can get AcCesS to meEtings ANd oPen inFormatIoN act thAt givE uS access tO governmental informatioN.

So thoSe are JusT on a very bAseLIne, Create morE oppOrtunities For Us tO orgaNizE. and in The eND tHesE PubliC insTItutions aRE
. In fact, they are a vult ure invest or or  adis as tercapi talist who’s c o ming  in and trying to make  as m uc h  mon e yas aWall St r ee t inv es to r o ff of  this  cl imate c risis.

An d w ha t they’re go i ng  to do istry  to extractasmuch m on eyf rom t his  proc essesa s poss ible. And  a t  the e n d of th e da y, t hat’s not actuall y  a b out resilience . Andso at l eas t i n a public  i nstit u tion, i f  w e a ret he ones thatbuy it, weh ave  morere cou r se tha n wewo u ldelsewhere.
DHA RNA NOOR:  And w h at abou t  the cl imateimp act ? So in  t hewa k e o f  t hes e  fi res on W ed ne sday,  the y o u th l edenvi ronme ntal advocacy  gr oup, The  Sunr ise M ovem en t hel d a si t inat  house speakerandNancy Pel osi ’s  of fi ce de m anding  cl ima te acti on. And ofco u r s e,  wildfires are fue le d by  the cli mate c r is is .  Wildfir es  th emse l v es ar e no r ma l, but t hey’ve be co me much  m ore se ve reasthiss tate  has g otten ho ttera nd drier. Thec limate crisis is o fc ours e,fueled lite rall y  bytheu se  of fossi l fue ls .  A n d in a recent artic le  in Te en Vo gue, Greta Mo ran notedt h a t five y ears ag o , Burlington V ermon t “Becamet he first  city  in theUS to mov e to a hun dre d p erc ent r en ewables while m aint ai ning th e s ame rat essin ce200 9. ” But som e have a ls ono te d t hat p u blic uti li tie sdon ’t al w ays mo ve aw ay f ro mf oss il fuel s  m o r e qu ic kl y.
For  i nstan ce,a gai n on De mocracy N ow, Leah  S to kes not ed that publi cutilitiesin  Ca liforn i a  resiste d the first clean energ y  law pa sse d in2002  so it di dn’ t even  ap p ly tothem.Doespu bli c owner s h ip  ne ce ssarily me a n  th at aut ilit ies bec ome more sustainab l e a nd if not, ho w c an f o l ks  re a ll y  pu sh tom a ke sure that pu blic utili ty ’ sactually d o  ta ke  climat e actio n?

J O HANNA B OZUWA: Ye ah, and s oI th i n k t hat’s a re ally imp ortant po i nt. O b vi ously  no t allpu bli cly o wned u t ili tiesare op er atinglikewe ’d likethem to, and they may n ot eve n hav e d emocratic  pr o ces ses to th e ex tent thatwewan t. Bu t w i th pu blic in sti t ution s, w e  are notw ai tin g fo r the benev o l e nce  of a , f o r inst ance , an investor own e d utility to g o to 1 00%  re n ewab le . We have more  me th o d s of acc ou ntability i n a wayth a t wewouldnot ha ve hado t he r wise.Forins tance, ju stth i ngs lik eha v ing th e op en  meeti ngs ac t  sot h at we can get ac cesst o  meet i ngs  andop en info r mati on act tha t give us a ccessto g overn mentalin format ion .
So thosea re just o n a v ery bas el ine,  cr eate m oreo p portu niti es  fo r us to o r g an i ze .A ndin t he en dthes e publici nstituti ons are
. In_fact, they_are a vulture investor_or a_disaster_capitalist who’s_coming_in and trying_to make as_much money as a_Wall Street investor_off_of this climate crisis.

And what they’re going to do is try to extract as_much_money from_this_processes_as possible. And at the_end of the day, that’s_not actually_about resilience. And so at least in a_public_institution, if we_are the ones that buy it, we have more_recourse than we would elsewhere.

DHARNA NOOR:_And what about_the_climate_impact? So in the_wake of these fires on Wednesday,_the youth led environmental advocacy group,_The Sunrise Movement held a sit in_at house speaker and Nancy Pelosi’s_office demanding climate action. And_of course,_wildfires are fueled by the_climate crisis. Wildfires_themselves are_normal, but they’ve_become much more severe as this_state has gotten_hotter and drier. The climate crisis_is_of course, fueled_literally_by_the use_of fossil fuels._And_in a_recent_article in Teen Vogue, Greta Moran_noted_that five years ago, Burlington Vermont “Became_the first city in_the_US to move to_a hundred percent renewables while_maintaining the same rates since 2009.”_But some_have also_noted that public utilities don’t always move away from fossil fuels_more quickly.

For instance, again on Democracy_Now, Leah Stokes noted_that public_utilities_in California resisted_the_first clean_energy law passed in 2002 so it_didn’t even_apply to them. Does public ownership_necessarily mean that a_utilities_become more sustainable and if not,_how can folks really push to_make sure that public utility’s_actually_do_take climate action?

JOHANNA BOZUWA: Yeah,_and so I think that’s a_really important point._Obviously not all publicly owned utilities are_operating_like we’d like them to, and_they_may not even have democratic processes_to_the_extent that we want. But_with public institutions, we are not_waiting for the benevolence of a, for instance, an_investor owned utility_to go to 100% renewable._We_have_more methods of accountability in a way that we would_not have_had otherwise. For_instance, just things like having the open meetings act so_that we can get access to meetings_and open information act that give us access to governmental information.

So_those are just on a very baseline, create_more opportunities for us to organize. And_in the end these_public_institutions are