 a few portraits for the Duke of Milan. He had been semi-famous in Florence but a little bit more famous for not finishing the Adoration of the Magi than for painting the Adoration of the Magi.

All right, we’re here with Walter Isaacson, he’s written a new book about Leonardo da Vinci. It’s his latest book. Walter’s written a string of them, people that you might have heard of; Steve Jobs, Albert Einstein, and Ben Franklin, and Henry Kissinger, which is very different from that group. When we get back we’re going to talk about what Leonardo says about innovation and where innovation is going. We’re here on Recode Decode.

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We’re here on Recode Decode, and our guest is Walter Isaacson, who I’ve known for a very long time, he’s a great writer, and his latest book... He’s a reporter, writer and a thought leader, I would say.

Oh, well...

Oh you are, you have the Aspen Institute, you guys...

A thought follower.

No, you guys have a lot of big thoughts up there in the mountains. His latest book is on Leonardo da Vinci, and his impact on other innovators and moving things forward. We talked about the middle of his life where he started to get some fame and traction. What was his impact then and now? Let’s talk about that. How did his life end and how did he conduct, he just continued to do the same thing he did his whole life, or was there a difference?

He continues to balance engineering with art. Now, his art indeed surpasses everything anybody has ever done in art, and for that matter in engineering.

Right, I was going to ask, is there any engineering thing that he did?

No. He does a lot of engineering ideas, some of them come to fruition, as I say a century later or two centuries later.

Helicopter.

Exactly.

What else, what other things? People know about the helicopter.

Well, his ability to divert rivers and to show how water flows.

Why did he want to divert a...

Well, you know, I think just as a little kid. I don’t know if you remember, I remember growing up in
a few portraits for the Duke of Milan. He had been semi - famous in Florence but a little bit more celebrated for not end the Adoration of the Magi than for painting the Adoration of the Magi. 

 All justly, we ’re here with Walter Isaacson, he ’s write a new book about Leonardo da Vinci. It ’s his late koran. Walter ’s written a bowed stringed instrument of them, people that you might have heard of; Steve Jobs, Albert Einstein, and Ben Franklin, and Henry Kissinger, which is very unlike from that group. When we get back we ’re going to talk about what Leonardo says about initiation and where innovation is going. We ’re here on Recode Decode. 

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 A thought follower. 

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 Exactly. 

 What else, what early things? People know about the helicopter. 

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HeliCoPteR.

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Oh , wel l ...

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A t houg h tfol l ower. 

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R i gh t,I  w a s g oi n g t o ask, is there a ny enginee ri n gthing that hedi d?

No.  He doe s a l o t of en gineering  ideas, s om e of t hem  come to f ruition,  as I say a cen t ur y lat eror two  c ent uries  later . 

H elico pter.
E xactly .

Wh at  else, w hat other things? Peopl e know  abou t t he helico pte r .
Well, his  abi lity to di ver t r ivers  an d  to s howh ow  wa t er fl ows. 
Why didh ewan t to  divert a.. . Wel l, yo u k n ow, Ithin k just as a littl e  kid. I don’tknow i f y our emem be r, I remembergro wi n g  up in
 a_few portraits_for the Duke of_Milan. He_had_been semi-famous_in_Florence but a_little bit more_famous for not finishing_the Adoration of_the_Magi than for painting the Adoration of the Magi.

All right, we’re here with Walter_Isaacson,_he’s written_a_new_book about Leonardo da Vinci._It’s his latest book. Walter’s_written a_string of them, people that you might have_heard_of; Steve Jobs,_Albert Einstein, and Ben Franklin, and Henry Kissinger, which_is very different from that group._When we get_back_we’re_going to talk about_what Leonardo says about innovation and_where innovation is going. We’re here_on Recode Decode.

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We’re here on Recode Decode,_and our guest is Walter Isaacson,_who I’ve known for a_very long_time, he’s a great writer,_and his latest_book... He’s_a reporter, writer_and a thought leader, I would_say.

Oh, well...

Oh you_are, you have the Aspen Institute,_you_guys...

A thought follower.

No,_you_guys_have a_lot of big_thoughts_up there_in_the mountains. His latest book is_on_Leonardo da Vinci, and his impact on_other innovators and moving_things_forward. We talked about_the middle of his life_where he started to get some_fame and_traction. What_was his impact then and now? Let’s talk about that. How_did his life end and how_did he conduct, he_just continued_to_do the same_thing_he did_his whole life, or was there a_difference?

He continues_to balance engineering with art. Now,_his art indeed surpasses_everything_anybody has ever done in art,_and for that matter in engineering.

Right,_I was going to ask,_is_there_any engineering thing that he_did?

No. He does a lot of_engineering ideas, some_of them come to fruition, as I_say_a century later or two centuries_later.

Helicopter.

Exactly.

What_else, what other things? People know_about_the_helicopter.

Well, his ability to divert_rivers and to show how water_flows.

Why did he want to divert a...

Well, you know,_I think just_as a little kid. I_don’t_know_if you remember, I remember growing up in