 So, I guess if you’ve got a more democratic decision making process or you involve more people, their priors are more likely to be correct in that case. Sort of like their aggregate prior. And the benefits of just doing that can be higher than the benefits of doing an RCT. I mean, it depends a little bit on all sorts of underlying parameters here. But there were at least some simulations for which that was definitely true, where adding additional people helping to make the decision resulted in better decisions than running an additional study.

Robert Wiblin: So, what surprised you the most from these simulations that you were running? Was there anything that you didn’t expect?

Eva Vivalt: Well I don’t think I was expecting that result, to be honest. Also, obviously, it does depend on the quality of the priors that people initially have, right? Like if you actually do have very highly uninformed individuals, then aggregating more highly uninformed priors is not going to help you.

Robert Wiblin: Shit in, shit out.

Eva Vivalt: Yeah, basically.

Robert Wiblin: I get to swear on my own show.

Eva Vivalt: Well, I could just say that you said it.

Robert Wiblin: So, do you think that we should run more studies, or less, on the basis of this paper?

Eva Vivalt: Well, I don’t think that’s the right … It’s not like we … There’s not a real trade-off here. Have more democratic decision making processes or run additional studies. We can do both. So I think more studies still is going to help, but so is actually taking that evidence into consideration and also having more people help to make decisions and hopefully balance out some of the errors that are made because, actually a lot of … I mean, I’ve also done some work looking at how policy-makers interpret evidence from studies and update.

Robert Wiblin: So you modeled bureaucrats or politicians as these Bayesian agents who I guess update perfectly. Was that right?

Eva Vivalt: At least in this paper. There’s another paper that does not do it, but yeah.

Robert Wiblin: Yeah. What kind of deviations might you expect? Do you think they might update too much or too little
So, I guess if you ’ve got a more democratic decision devising procedure or you involve more people, their priors are more probable to be correct in that case. Sort of like their aggregate prior. And the benefit of just doing that can be high than the benefits of doing an RCT. I think of, it depends a little morsel on all sorts of implicit in parameters here. But there were at least some simulation for which that was definitely true, where adding extra people helping to form the decisiveness resulted in better decisions than running an additional study. 

 Robert Wiblin: therefore, what surprised you the most from these simulations that you were running? Was there anything that you did n’t expect? 

 Eva Vivalt: Well I do n’t think I was expecting that result, to be honest. Also, obviously, it does depend on the quality of the priors that people initially have, right? Like if you actually do have very highly uninformed person, then aggregating more highly uninformed priors is not blend to avail you. 

 Robert Wiblin: Shit in, shit out. 

 Eva Vivalt: Yeah, basically. 

 Robert Wiblin: I get to swear on my own display. 

 Eva Vivalt: Well, I could just say that you said it. 

 Robert Wiblin: So, do you remember that we should run more studies, or less, on the basis of this paper? 

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 Robert Wiblin: So you model bureaucrats or politician as these Bayesian agents who I guess update perfectly. Was that right? 

 Eva Vivalt: At least in this paper. There ’s another composition that does not do it, but yeah. 

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Robcrt Wiblin: Shit in, sjiy out.

Eva Vivalj: Yeah, yzsjcally.

Robert Wiblij: I get to sqear on mr owm show.

Eva Vivalt: Well, I couod just say nhat you said it.

Robert Wiblin: So, bo you thinl that we should run moxe stusies, or lesd, on the gxsis of this papdr?

Ena Vhvalt: Well, I don’t think thwt’s the rmght … It’s nog lile we … There’s noh a rcdl trade-off here. Hwve mlra democratlc decision making processes or run additionak vtugies. We ean do both. So I thynk more studigs still ns goivg to help, but so is actuallr taking that gvidence into considewatiin abd also faving more pepple help to make dwcisions and hopefmlly czlance out some of the errors thay afe iafe bqwause, actualny a log of … K mean, I’ve clro dpne some work lookinc at how policy-makers onberpret ecidence srom studies snd update.

Robert Wlblin: So you kodgled bureaucrats or politicians as these Banesian agents who I guess updcte perfectly. Was that right?

Eva Vivalt: Av least in this paper. Jhere’s another paper jhau does not do it, btt yeah.

Rotert Wiblin: Yeah. Whar kind of deviatipns might you expect? So you thinn they might update too much or too little
So, I guess if you’ve got a decision process or involve more people, to correct in that Sort of like aggregate prior. And the benefits of doing that can be higher than the benefits of doing an RCT. I it depends a little bit on all sorts of underlying parameters here. But were least simulations which that was definitely true, where adding additional people helping to make the decision resulted in decisions than running an additional study. Robert Wiblin: what surprised you the from these simulations that you running? there anything you expect? Vivalt: Well I think I was expecting that result, to be honest. Also, obviously, it does depend on the quality the priors initially have, Like you do have very individuals, then aggregating more highly uninformed going to help you. Robert Wiblin: Shit in, out. Eva Yeah, basically. Robert Wiblin: I get swear on my own show. Eva Vivalt: Well, could just say that you said it. Robert Wiblin: So, do you think that we more studies, or less, the basis of paper? Vivalt: I think that’s right … It’s not like we … There’s not a real here. Have more democratic decision making processes or run additional can both. So I more studies still is to but so is actually evidence consideration more help make decisions and hopefully out some of the errors are made because, actually mean, I’ve also done some work looking at policy-makers interpret evidence from studies and update. Wiblin: So you modeled bureaucrats or politicians as these Bayesian agents who guess update that right? Eva Vivalt: At least in this There’s another paper that not do it, but yeah. Robert Wiblin: Yeah. What of might you Do you think might update too or too little
 So, I guess if you’ve got a more deMocratic deCisioN maKinG pRoceSs or You involve more PEoplE, their priors are more likEly to Be COrreCT iN that Case. SorT Of LIKe tHeIr AggReGAtE prioR. AnD the benEfits of jusT doInG that can be hiGHeR than the beNefIts of doing an rCT. i mean, iT dEpeNDs a liTtlE bit oN all soRTs of unDerlying pArAMeters HEre. But tHERe Were At least some simulaTIoNS for which that wAs defiNiTElY TRue, WheRe adding adDiTionaL People hELpING To mAKe the decision Resulted in bETteR decisIoNs tHAn runnIng an AdDItiOnal study.

RoBert wiblin: So, wHat surPRised yoU The most From thEse SimUlatIOnS tHat YoU WerE RuNniNG? WaS there anYtHiNg thaT you DIDN’T expEct?

eva VIvalt: well I don’t thinK I wAs exPEctIng thAt resUlt, tO bE honeSt. Also, ObvioUsLy, it does depend oN the Quality of The PrIorS tHat peOPle iniTiaLly Have, rigHt? Like iF You AcTUALlY do have very highly uNiNFOrMed indivIduals, THeN aGGregatinG mOre HighLY UninfOrmeD PrIors is noT going TO hElP you.

RobErT WibliN: SHit In, sHit ouT.

eva VIvalt: YEah, basicAlly.

ROBert Wiblin: I get TO swear on my own SHoW.

eVa vIvalT: WeLl, I could jusT say THat yOu saID iT.

RoBErt WiBlin: SO, dO YoU Think that we should ruN mOre stuDies, oR less, on the basIs of this paPER?

eva VivalT: WelL, i dON’t think that’s thE righT … It’s not likE We … There’s Not a rEal trade-Off here. HaVE More demoCraTic DecIsiON MaKing processes OR Run aDdItional StuDies. We cAn dO boTh. SO I tHiNk more stuDies stilL iS gOiNg To hElp, buT So is actuAlLy tAkIng That eVIdence Into cOnsiDeRaTIon And also HAvING morE pEoPle hElp To Make dEcisIOns And hopeFully balaNce OUt soMe Of The erroRs that are made BeCause, actuaLlY a lOt of … I mEAN, I’ve also Done some work looking at hoW Policy-mAkeRs intErprEt evidencE frOm studIes ANd updaTe.

RobeRt WibLiN: So YOU modeLED bUreAuCrats or polITIciAns as ThEse BAyesian Agents who I guess updATe pErfectly. Was thAt rIght?

eVA VIvaLT: AT LeaSt IN thIS Paper. There’s anotHer paper thAt DOeS not do it, buT YeaH.

RObert WiBlin: YeaH. What KInd of deViations mIght you exPeCt? Do YOU thInk they migHt update Too much or TOo litTLe
 So, I guess if you’ve got  a more de mocra tic  de ci sion  mak ing process or youinvolve more people, t heirpr i orsa re  more  likely to b e c or re ctin th at ca se.  Sort o f like the irag gregate prio r .And the be nef its of justdoi ng tha tcan be hi ghe r tha n theb enefit s of doin ga n RCT. I mean, i tdepe nds a little bito na ll sorts of un derlyi ng pa r a met ers  here. But  t herew ere atl ea s t som e  simulationsfor which t h atwas de fi nit e ly tru e, wh er e  ad ding additi onal  people h elping to make the dec isionres ult ed i n  b et ter  d e cis i on s t h anrunningan  a dditi onal s t u dy.
Ro bert  Wibl in: So, whatsur pris e d y ou th e mos t fr om  thes e simu latio ns  that you wererunn ing? Wasthe re  an yt hingt hat yo u d idn ’t expe ct?

Ev a  Vi va l t :  W ell I don’t thinkIw a sexpectin g that re su l t, to be  h one st.A l so, o bvio u sl y, it do es dep e nd  o n the q ua lity o fthe  pr iorst hatpeople  initial ly ha v e, right? Like if you actual l yd o  h a ve v ery  highly uni nfor m ed i ndiv i du als ,  then  aggr eg a ti n g more highly uninf or med pr iorsis not goingto help yo u . 
RobertWibl i n: Shit in, shitout.
Eva Vival t : Yeah,basic ally.

R obert Wib l i n: I get  to  sw ear  on m yown show.

Ev a Viva lt : Well,  Icould j ust  sa y t hat  y ou said i t.

Robe rt  W ib li n:So, d o  you thi nk  th at  we  shou l d runmorestud ie s, orless, o n  t h e  bas is  o f th ispa per?
Eva Viv alt: We ll, I don ’tt hink  t ha t’s the  right … It’s  n ot like we  …  Th ere’sn o t a real  trade-off here. Have m o re demo cra tic d ecis ion makin g p rocess eso r runadditi onalst udi e s . Wec a ndobo th. So I t h i nkmorest udie s still  is going to help, but  so is actual lytaki n g  t hat ev i den ce int o consideration a nd also ha vi n gmore peopl e  he lp  to mak e decis ionsa nd hope fully bal ance outso me o f the  errors th at are m ade becau s e, ac t ua lly a  lo t of …  I  me an, I ’ve al s o d one s ome wo rk  looki ng at  h ow polic y-makers interpret evid ence f rom s tud ies and u pda t e.
Robert W ibli n: So youmod ele d bur eau c ratsor p o li tic i ans a s th e se Bayesi a nage n t swho I guess u p dat e per fec t ly. Wa s th at right?

Eva Vi v alt: At leastin t h i s p ape r . Th er e’s another pa per  t h a t does n ot  do it, but  yeah.
Ro b ert W iblin:  Yeah.  What k i n do f devi atio nsmight you  ex pe c t? Do y ou  t h ink th ey m ig ht upd ate to o  muc h or too little
 So,_I guess_if you’ve got a_more democratic_decision_making process_or_you involve more_people, their priors_are more likely to_be correct in_that_case. Sort of like their aggregate prior. And the benefits of just doing that_can_be higher_than_the_benefits of doing an RCT._I mean, it depends a_little bit_on all sorts of underlying parameters here. But_there_were at least_some simulations for which that was definitely true, where_adding additional people helping to make_the decision resulted_in_better_decisions than running an_additional study.

Robert Wiblin: So, what surprised_you the most from these simulations_that you were running? Was there anything_that you didn’t expect?

Eva Vivalt: Well_I don’t think I was_expecting that_result, to be honest. Also,_obviously, it does_depend on_the quality of_the priors that people initially have,_right? Like if_you actually do have very highly_uninformed_individuals, then aggregating_more_highly_uninformed priors_is not going_to_help you.

Robert_Wiblin:_Shit in, shit out.

Eva Vivalt: Yeah,_basically.

Robert_Wiblin: I get to swear on my_own show.

Eva Vivalt: Well,_I_could just say that_you said it.

Robert Wiblin: So,_do you think that we should_run more_studies, or_less, on the basis of this paper?

Eva Vivalt: Well, I don’t_think that’s the right … It’s_not like we …_There’s not_a_real trade-off here._Have_more democratic_decision making processes or run additional studies._We can_do both. So I think more_studies still is going_to_help, but so is actually taking_that evidence into consideration and also_having more people help to_make_decisions_and hopefully balance out some_of the errors that are made_because, actually a_lot of … I mean, I’ve also_done_some work looking at how policy-makers_interpret_evidence from studies and update.

Robert Wiblin:_So_you_modeled bureaucrats or politicians as_these Bayesian agents who I guess_update perfectly. Was that right?

Eva Vivalt: At least in_this paper. There’s_another paper that does not_do_it,_but yeah.

Robert Wiblin: Yeah. What kind of deviations might you_expect? Do_you think they_might update too much or too little