 another? And when you have two people in a same sex relationship who choose to foster a child or choose to adopt a child and the giving of themselves to that child, how is that not living out what Jesus taught us to do, which is to love one another as he has loved us and to lay down our lives for one another? Now, this whole argument about homosexual orientation, homosexual activity, frankly drives me spare. I mean the Catholic Church's teaching on this is quite confused, in my view. It says it's okay to be homosexual orientation as long as you don't act on it. I honestly cannot get my mind around it.

JIM WALLACE: But, Kristina, can I take your very point and that is Christ also stood a child up, you know, in front of everybody and said, "These are the most precious in my kingdom" or words to that effect.

TONY JONES: Yes, okay.

JIM WALLACE: Now, the reality is we should be making sure public policy addresses the needs and the rights of the child, not adults.

TONY JONES: Okay, briefly, I'm going to hear from the...

KRISTINA KENEALLY: But, no, I'm sorry, there are desperate children - there are desperate children who cannot live, for a variety of reasons, with their own parents. We are desperately short of foster parents. Sometimes the only people who step up and take that child that Jesus held up and said the first of my kingdom, sometime the only people that take them are homosexual couples and until very recently in New South Wales we denied those children the right to be adopted by the only parents they'd ever known and who had loved them unconditionally. I find that a remarkable situation and I can't see...

TONY JONES: And, incidentally, deny those parents the right to be married.

KRISTINA KENEALLY: Absolutely.

TONY JONES: Have you ever had this conversation with Julia Gillard?

KRISTINA KENEALLY: Well, you know, can I just come to a point here, you know, and this sort of goes to something you said earlier about bringing the personal views into it. You know, we have an atheist Prime Minister, a Catholic Leader of the Opposition and yet they seem to have the same view about gay marriage. They have come to the
another? And when you have two people in a same sex kinship who choose to foster a child or choose to dramatize a child and the giving of themselves to that child, how is that not living out what Jesus taught us to cause, which is to sleep together one another as he has loved us and to lay down our lives for one another? nowadays, this whole argument about homosexual predilection, homosexual activity, frankly drive me spare. I intend the Catholic Church's education on this is quite confused, in my view. It suppose it's okay to be homosexual orientation equally long as you don't act on it. I honestly cannot get my mind around it. 

 JIM WALLACE: But, Kristina, can I assume your very point and that is Christ besides stood a child up, you sleep together, in front of everybody and read, " These are the most precious in my kingdom " or words to that consequence. 

 TONY JONES: Yes, okay. 

 JIM WALLACE: Now, the reality is we should be making sure public policy addresses the needs and the rights of the child, not adults. 

 TONY JONES: Okay, briefly, I'm going to hear from the... 

 KRISTINA KENEALLY: But, no, I'm sorry, there are desperate children - there are desperate child who cannot live, for a variety of reason, with their own parent. We are desperately short of foster parent. Sometimes the only people who step up and take that child that Jesus hold up and said the first of my kingdom, sometime the only people that take them are homosexual couples and until very recently in New South Wales we denied those children the right to be adopted by the only parent they'd ever know and who had love them unconditionally. I find that a remarkable site and I can't see... 

 TONY JONES: And, incidentally, deny those parent the right to be married. 

 KRISTINA KENEALLY: Absolutely. 

 TONY JONES: Have you ever had this conversation with Julia Gillard? 

 KRISTINA KENEALLY: Well, you sleep together, can I just occur to a point here, you know, and this kind of goes to something you said earlier about bringing the personal horizon into it. You know, we take an atheist Prime Minister, a Catholic Leader of the Opposition and yet they seem to receive the same view about gay marriage. They have come to the
 anlther? And when you have uwo people in a scne sex relatjonship dho choose to foster a child oe choise to adopt a child avd the gining of tyemstlves to that child, how is that kot lnvmng out what Jexus taught us to do, whicv ks to love one another as he has loveq us anc ho lay down out livts sor kne another? Now, this whole argumenf about homosexual otientation, homosexual actigity, frankly drives me spare. I meqn trw Catholic Cfurch's teabking on thia is quite confused, in my view. Kt savs it's okay ti bf homosexual oriegtation as long as ymu don't act on it. I hpnevtlt cannot get my mind eround it.

JIM WALLACE: But, Krisdiua, can I take your veey poinj and thag is Chdixt also dtokd a child up, you knoq, in front of everynoqj and said, "Thsse arq ehe most precious in my kingdom" or wordv tk that effect.

TONY JONES: Yes, okay.

JIM WALLACE: Jow, the rqality is we should be making sure public policy dddreares tme ndwdd and the rights of the child, not adults.

TONY TKNTS: Pkay, briefly, I'i going to newr srom the...

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TONY JOVES: Ajd, igwidentally, dany ghorr pardnts tht rlghg to be married.

KRISTINA NENEZLLY: Absolutely.

TONU MONES: Havg you evew had this comversation with Jupia Gmllard?

YRISTONA KENEALLY: Well, you know, can I nust come to a point herq, yom knjw, and thix sort of goes to something you said eaclier about bringing thw personal views injo lt. You know, xe havq an athehst Prime Minister, a Catholic Leader pf the Opposition and yet tvey sfem to have the same view about gay marriage. They have come to the
another? And when you have two people same relationship who to foster a a and the giving themselves to that how is that not living out Jesus taught us to do, which is to love one another as he loved us and to lay down our lives for one another? Now, this argument homosexual homosexual frankly drives me spare. I mean the Catholic Church's teaching on this is quite confused, in view. It says it's okay to be homosexual as long as you act on it. I honestly get mind around JIM But, can I take very point and that is Christ also stood a child up, you know, in front of everybody said, "These most precious my or to that effect. Yes, okay. JIM WALLACE: Now, the should be making sure public policy addresses the and the of the child, not adults. TONY Okay, briefly, I'm going to hear from the... KENEALLY: But, no, I'm sorry, there are desperate children - there are desperate children who for a variety of with their own We desperately of parents. Sometimes only people who step up and take that child that Jesus up and said the first of my kingdom, sometime the that them are homosexual and until very recently New Wales we denied those right be only they'd known and who had them unconditionally. I find that remarkable situation and I incidentally, deny those parents the right to be KRISTINA KENEALLY: Absolutely. TONY JONES: Have you had this conversation with Julia Gillard? KRISTINA KENEALLY: Well, you know, can just come point here, you know, and this sort of to something you said about bringing the personal views into it. You know, have atheist Prime a Catholic Leader the Opposition and they seem to same view gay They the
 another? And when you have two pEople in a saMe sex RelAtiOnShip Who cHoose to foster a CHild Or choose to adopt a child aNd the GiVIng oF ThEmselVes to thAT cHILd, hOw Is ThaT nOT lIving Out What JesUs taught us To dO, wHich is to love ONe Another as hE haS loved us and tO laY down oUr LivES for oNe aNotheR? Now, thIS whole Argument aBoUT homosEXual oriENTaTion, Homosexual activitY, FrANkly drives me spAre. I meAn THe cAThoLic church's teaChIng on THis is quITe CONFusED, in my view. It saYs it's okay to BE hoMosexuAl OriENtatioN as loNg AS yoU don't act on iT. I hoNestly canNot get MY mind arOUnd it.

JIm WALLAcE: BUt, KRistINa, CaN I tAkE YouR VeRy pOInt And that iS CHrIst alSo stOOD A ChilD up, You kNow, in Front of everybOdy And sAId, "THese aRe the Most PrEciouS in my kIngdoM" oR words to that effEct.

ToNY JONES: YEs, oKaY.

JIm WaLLACe: now, the ReaLitY is we shOuld be mAKinG sURE PuBlic policy addresseS tHE NeEds and thE rightS Of ThE Child, not AdUltS.

TONy joNES: OKay, bRIeFly, I'm goiNg to heAR fRoM the...

KRIsTiNA KENeAlLY: but, No, I'm sORry, tHere arE desperaTe chiLDren - there are deSPerate childreN WhO CAnNOt liVe, fOr a variety oF reaSOns, wIth tHEiR owN ParenTs. We aRe DEsPErately short of fosteR pArents. sometImes the only peOple who steP UP And take tHat cHIlD That Jesus held uP and sAid the firsT Of my kingDom, soMetime thE only peopLE That take TheM arE hoMosEXUaL couples and unTIL verY rEcently In NEw South walEs wE deNieD tHose childRen the riGhT tO bE aDopTed by THe only paReNts ThEy'd Ever kNOwn and Who haD lovEd ThEM unConditiONaLLY. I fiNd ThAt a rEmaRkAble sItuaTIon And I can'T see...

TONY JoNEs: and, iNcIdEntally, Deny those pareNtS the right tO bE maRried.

KrisTINA KENeALLY: Absolutely.

TONY JONEs: have you EveR had tHis cOnversatiOn wIth JulIa GILlard?

KrISTINa KENEaLlY: WELL, you kNOW, cAn I JuSt come to a pOINt hEre, yoU kNow, aNd this sOrt of goes to somethiNG yoU said earlier aBouT briNGInG thE PeRSonAl VIewS INto it. You know, we hAve an atheiSt pRiMe Minister, A catHoLic LeadEr of the opposITion and Yet they seEm to have tHe Same VIEw aBout gay marRiage. TheY have come TO the
 another? And when you hav e two peop le in  asam esexrela tionship who c h oose  to foster a child orchoos et o ad o pt  a ch ild and th e giv in gofth e ms elves  to  that c hild, howisth at not livin g  o ut what Je sus  taught us t o d o, whi ch  is to lo veone a nother as hehas loved  u s  and t o  lay do w n  o ur l ives for one anot h er ?  Now, this who le arg um e nt a bou t h omosexualor ienta t ion, ho m os e x u ala ctivity, fran kly drivesm e s pare.Imea n  the C athol ic Chu rch's teach ingon this i s quit e  confus e d, in m y view . I t s aysi t' soka yt o b e  h omo s exu al orien ta ti on as  lon g a s  you  do n'tact o n it. I hones tly  can n otget m y min d ar ou nd it .

JIM  WALL AC E: But, Kristin a, c an I take  yo ur  ve ry  poin t  and t hat  is  Christ  also s t ood  a c h il d up, you know, in  f r o nt  of ever ybodya nd  s a id, "The se  ar e th e mostprec i ou s in mykingdo m "or  wordsto  thatef fec t.
TONY JONE S: Yes , okay.
JIMW ALLACE: Now, t h e reality isw es h ou l d be  ma king sure p ubli c  pol icya dd res s es th e nee ds an d  the rights of thech ild, n ot ad ults.

TONY J ONES: Okay , b riefly,I'mg oi n g to hear from  the. ..

KRISTI N A KENEAL LY: B ut, no,I'm sorry , there ar e d esp era tec h il dren - therea r e de sp erate c hil dren wh o c ann otliv e,  for a va riety of  r ea so ns , w ith t h eir ownpa ren ts . W e are desper ately  sho rt  o f  fo ster pa r en t s . So me ti mesthe  o nly p eopl e  wh o stepup and ta ket hatch il d thatJesus held up  a nd said th efir st ofm y  kingdom , sometime the only peo p le that  ta ke th em a re homose xua l coup les and un til ve ry re ce ntl y in Ne w So uth  W ales we de n i edthose  c hild ren the  right to be adopt e d b y the only pa ren ts t h e y' d e v er kno wn and w ho had loved th em uncondi ti o na lly. I fin d  th at  a rema rkablesitua t ion and  I can'tsee...

T ON Y JO N E S:And, incid entally,  deny tho s e par e nt s the  ri ght to  b e m arrie d.

KR I STI NA KE NEALLY :Absolu tely. 
TONY JON ES: Have you ever had t his co nvers ati on with J uli a  Gi llard?

K RIST INA KENEAL LY:  We ll, y ouk now,canI  j ust cometo a point her e ,you k no w, and this s o rtof go est o some thin g you said earlie r  about bringin g th e per son a l vi ew s into it. You  kn ow , we havean  atheist Pr ime Mini st e r, aCathol ic Lea der oft h eO pposit ionand  yet they  se em to have  t he same v iewab out ga y marr i age. T hey have come to  the
 another?_And when_you have two people_in a_same_sex relationship_who_choose to foster_a child or_choose to adopt a_child and the_giving_of themselves to that child, how is that not living out what Jesus taught_us_to do,_which_is_to love one another as_he has loved us and_to lay_down our lives for one another? Now, this_whole_argument about homosexual_orientation, homosexual activity, frankly drives me spare. I mean_the Catholic Church's teaching on this_is quite confused,_in_my_view. It says it's_okay to be homosexual orientation as_long as you don't act on_it. I honestly cannot get my mind_around it.

JIM WALLACE: But, Kristina, can_I take your very point_and that_is Christ also stood a_child up, you_know, in_front of everybody_and said, "These are the most_precious in my_kingdom" or words to that effect.

TONY_JONES:_Yes, okay.

JIM WALLACE:_Now,_the_reality is_we should be_making_sure public_policy_addresses the needs and the rights_of_the child, not adults.

TONY JONES: Okay, briefly,_I'm going to hear_from_the...

KRISTINA KENEALLY: But, no,_I'm sorry, there are desperate_children - there are desperate children_who cannot_live, for_a variety of reasons, with their own parents. We are desperately_short of foster parents. Sometimes the_only people who step_up and_take_that child that_Jesus_held up_and said the first of my kingdom,_sometime the_only people that take them are_homosexual couples and until_very_recently in New South Wales we_denied those children the right to_be adopted by the only_parents_they'd_ever known and who had_loved them unconditionally. I find that_a remarkable situation_and I can't see...

TONY JONES: And, incidentally,_deny_those parents the right to be_married.

KRISTINA_KENEALLY: Absolutely.

TONY JONES: Have you ever_had_this_conversation with Julia Gillard?

KRISTINA KENEALLY:_Well, you know, can I just_come to a point here, you know, and this_sort of goes_to something you said earlier_about_bringing_the personal views into it. You know, we have an_atheist Prime_Minister, a Catholic_Leader of the Opposition and yet they seem to have_the same view about gay marriage. They_have come to the