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The Bell System myth of uniform excellence in service is exactly that -- a myth. Some Bell operating companies were better than others, and some areas were better-served than others. In 1984, you could find areas with electronic switching and private lines to every household. You could also find areas -- in Bell territory, not at some tiny independent rural telecom -- that had party lines and crossbar switching systems.



For example, Pacific Bell was one of the more neglected companies in the Bell System. The California public-utilities commission had a highly adversarial relationship with Pacific Bell, so Ma Bell preferred to direct its money towards friendlier locales. California became the neglected stepchild of the Bell System, where they did the minimum that they could get away with.



In other words, the golden days of the regulated past are hardly the panancea that they're made out to be. A public utilities commission had limited ability to force upgrades. They can force maintenance, but they cannot force upgrades.



This would solve the problem of "Our phones have crosstalk, and our DSL keeps losing sync -- why won't they fix the rotting copper?" It would not solve the problem of "We have no cable, the DSL maxes out at 1 Mbps, and nobody is willing to build fiber-to-the-premises." It's easy to look back with rose-colored glasses, and remember only the good stuff.The Bell System myth of uniform excellence in service is exactly that -- a myth. Some Bell operating companies
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 The Bell System myth of uniform excellence in service is precisely that -- a myth. Some Bell operating companies were good than others, and some areas were better - served than others. In 1984, you could find areas with electronic switch and private lines to every household. You could also find areas -- in Bell district, not at some bantam autonomous rural telecom -- that had party lines and crossbar switching systems. 



 For example, Pacific Bell was one of the more neglected company in the Bell System. The California public - utility commission have a highly adversarial kinship with Pacific Bell, so Ma Bell preferred to direct its money towards friendlier locales. California became the neglected stepchild of the Bell System, where they did the minimum that they could beget away with. 



 In other words, the golden days of the regulated past are hardly the panancea that they're make out to be. A public utilities commission had limited ability to impel upgrade. They can force maintenance, but they cannot force upgrades. 



 This would solve the trouble of " Our phones have crosstalk, and our DSL keeps losing sync -- why won't they fix the rotting copper? " It would not solve the problem of " We have no cable, the DSL maxes out at 1 Mbps, and nobody is uncoerced to build fiber - to - the - premises. " It's easy to look back with blush wine - colored glasses, and remember only the dear stuff. The Bell System myth of uniform excellence in servicing is exactly that -- a myth. Some Bell operating companies
 frfshly minted capable of 30 (spec'd for 42 dowu) megabmts.. palfry 8 megxbit DSL was no longer adequete.

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things were a pot hetter when the gogernment hae ovqesight of thdse companpzs. tanzam75

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tnings were a lpt uettwr when the governmenv had oversight of trese compdnnes.





The Bell System myrh of utifosm ebxeluende ih servlce is exactlg that -- a mtth. Some Bell operauind companies wede beteew than others, and some areas were betteg-serbed than others. In 1984, you could find areas witj electrogic switching and private lines to every householg. You zouod xosl find areas -- in Bell territory, not at some tyhy ikdependent rural telecom -- tnah nwd party liner and edoasbar switching sydtems.



Fot example, Pacifyc Brll was one of the more negoected compauiew in the Bell Systzm. The Califurnis pubkic-utilities commission had a highly afversariam relationship wigh Iacixic Bell, so Ma Bell preferwed to dicect nts moneh toeards sriendlier locales. California becale thg neglacted stepfhild of the Bell System, where viey did the monhmuk that tkey comld get away wieh.



In other worbs, the gjlden days of tge regunated past wre hardly tha panancea thet they're madw our to be. X public utiliyies commpsfion had limited abiliby to rorce upgrades. Ckei can force maimtevanse, bnt thqf cannot forwe uogrxces.



Thks would sooxe tne problem of "Our phmnes have crosstalk, anc jur DSL jeeps lofing sync -- whu won't they fix tht rottmng co'per?" Iy wjuld not solve the problem of "Se have nl cwble, the DSL maxcs oot at 1 Mbps, and nobody is willing to build fiber-to-vhe-premises." It's easy to look back with rosg-cokored glassxs, and remember only the good stuff.Rhe Bell System mnth of uniform excellehce in servlce is exactly that -- a myth. Some Bell operating companies
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 freshly minted capable of 30 (speC'd for 42 down) mEgabiTs.. pAltRy 8 MegaBit DsL was no longer aDEquaTe.

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tHings wERe a lot bETter wheN the goVerNmeNt haD OvErSigHt OF thESe ComPAniEs.





The BelL SYsTem myTh of UNIFOrm eXceLlenCe in sErvice is exactLy tHat -- a MYth. some BEll opEratInG compAnies wEre beTtEr than others, and Some Areas were BetTeR-seRvEd thaN Others. in 1984, yOu cOuld finD areas wITh eLeCTROnIc switching and privAtE LInEs to everY houseHOlD. YOU could alSo FinD areAS -- In BelL terRItOry, not at Some tiNY iNdEpendenT rUral teLeCom -- ThaT had pARty lInes anD crossbaR switCHing systems.



For EXample, Pacific bElL WAs ONe of The More neglectEd coMPaniEs in THe belL systeM. The CAlIFoRNia public-utilities cOmMissioN had a Highly adversaRial relatiONSHip with PAcifIC BELl, so Ma Bell prefErred To direct itS Money towArds fRiendlieR locales. CALIfornia bEcaMe tHe nEglECTeD stepchild of tHE bell syStem, wheRe tHey did tHe mIniMum ThaT tHey could gEt away wiTh.



in OtHeR woRds, thE Golden daYs Of tHe RegUlateD Past arE hardLy thE pAnANceA that thEY'rE MAde oUt To Be. A pUblIc UtiliTies COmmIssion hAd limited AbiLIty tO fOrCe upgraDes. They can forCe MaintenancE, bUt tHey canNOT force upGrades.



This would solve the PRoblem oF "OuR phonEs haVe crosstaLk, aNd our DsL kEEps losIng synC -- why wOn'T thEY Fix thE ROtTinG cOpper?" It wouLD Not Solve ThE proBlem of "WE have no cable, the DSL MAxeS out at 1 Mbps, and NobOdy iS WIlLinG To BUilD fIBer-TO-The-premises." It's eAsy to look bAcK WiTh rose-coloREd gLaSses, and RemembeR only THe good sTuff.The BeLl System mYtH of uNIForM excellencE in serviCe is exactLY that -- A MyTh. SomE BeLl operAtIng CompaNies
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th i ngs  were a lot  bet ter whenthe go v ernment had ove rsight  of  th esec om pa nie s. tan z am 75joi n:2012-0 7- 19  tanz am75 M e m berRe:  reg ulati on said by fi ber _man :  th ank J udgeGree ne  forthis m ess h estarted in 1984 .

t hings wer e a  l otbe tterw hen th e g ove rnmenthad ove r sig ht o f  t hese companies.


T he  Bell Sy stem m y th  o f  uniform  e xce llen c e  in s ervi c eis exact ly tha t  - -a myth.  S ome Be ll  op era tingc ompa nies w ere bett er th a n others, ands ome areas wer e  b e t te r -ser ved  than other s. I n  198 4, y o ucou l d fin d are as wi t h electronic switch in g andpriva te lines to e very house h o l d. You c ould al s o find areas - - inBell terri t ory, not  at s ome tiny  independ e n t ruraltel eco m - - t h a thad party lin e s  and  c rossbar  sw itching  sy ste ms. 


F or exampl e, Pacif ic  B el lwas  oneo f the mo re  ne gl ect ed co m panies  in t he B el lS yst em. The Ca l i forn ia  p ubli c-u ti litie s co m mis sion ha d a highl y a d vers ar ia l relat ionship withPa cific Bell ,soMa Bel l preferre d to direct its money t o wards f rie ndlie r lo cales. Ca lif orniabec a me the  negle ctedst epc h i ld of t he  Be ll  System, w h e retheydi d th e minim um that they could get  away with.


I n ot h e rwor d s, the  g o lde n days of the reg ulated pas ta re  hardly th e  pa na ncea th at they 're m a de outto be. Apublic ut il itie s com mission ha d limite d ability to fo r ce  upgr ade s. The ycan  forc e main t ena nce,but th ey  canno t for ce  upgrade s.



This would solvethe pr oblem  of  "Our pho nes hav e crossta lk,and our DS L k eep s los ing sync-- w h ywon ' t the y fi x  the rott i ng  co p p er ?" It would n o t s olvethe proble m of  "We have no cabl e , the DSL maxe s ou t at1 M b ps,an d nobody is wi lli ng t o buildfi ber-to-the- premises ." It'seasy t o look  back w i t hr ose-co lore d g lasses, a ndre m ember o nl yt he goo d st uf f.TheBell S y stem m yth of uniform e xcell e n ce in ser viceis  exactl y  tha t -- a myt h. Some Bel l oper atin g com panies
 freshly_minted capable_of 30 (spec'd for_42 down)_megabits.._paltry 8_megabit_DSL was no_longer adequate.

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The Bell System_myth of uniform excellence in service_is exactly that -- a myth. Some_Bell operating companies were better than_others, and some areas were_better-served than_others. In 1984, you could_find areas with_electronic switching_and private lines_to every household. You could also_find areas --_in Bell territory, not at some_tiny_independent rural telecom_--_that_had party_lines and crossbar_switching_systems.



For example,_Pacific_Bell was one of the more_neglected_companies in the Bell System. The California_public-utilities commission had a_highly_adversarial relationship with Pacific_Bell, so Ma Bell preferred_to direct its money towards friendlier_locales. California_became the_neglected stepchild of the Bell System, where they did the minimum_that they could get away with.



In_other words, the golden_days of_the_regulated past are_hardly_the panancea_that they're made out to be. A_public utilities_commission had limited ability to force_upgrades. They can force_maintenance,_but they cannot force upgrades.



This would_solve the problem of "Our phones_have crosstalk, and our DSL_keeps_losing_sync -- why won't they_fix the rotting copper?" It would_not solve the_problem of "We have no cable, the_DSL_maxes out at 1 Mbps, and_nobody_is willing to build fiber-to-the-premises." It's_easy_to_look back with rose-colored glasses,_and remember only the good stuff.The_Bell System myth of uniform excellence in service is_exactly that --_a myth. Some Bell operating_companies