 self and your post-collegiate self who was so fearful about telling the world that you were gay, what do you kind of wish you could tell that person, that version of Mayor Buttigieg?

pete buttigieg

Well, back then, I would have thought this other fact, if I dared to unpack it, this fact about my life, this way in which I was different, was the thing that could multiply all the other stuff by zero, in terms of the impact I was going to have in the world, that I might very well choose that path, but that the price would be that I wouldn’t get to make a difference in public life. And if you want proof of God having a sense of humor, one of the things I’m seeing now, especially in the interactions I have on the campaign trail and the fact that this campaign is historic in a lot of ways, is that that same fact that I thought would mean never getting to this point might actually be one of the things that makes it matter the most.

michael barbaro

Mm-hmm.

pete buttigieg

It’s a strange thing to think about that the one thing that I couldn’t control, the one thing that might have meant that it would be better not to have any aspirations related to politics at all could be the very thing that anchors the moral and emotional purpose of this entire campaign.

michael barbaro

Thank you very much.

pete buttigieg

Thanks for having me.

michael barbaro

We’ll be right back. Here’s what else you need to know today.

archived recording (fiona hill) And I did say to him, Ambassador Sondland, Gordon, I think this is all going to blow up, and here we are.

michael barbaro

In the latest public testimony before impeachment investigators, Fiona Hill, the former top Russia expert on the National Security Council, recalled her growing frustration with Ambassador Gordon Sondland, as she realized he was pursuing a political agenda in Ukraine on behalf of President Trump.

archived recording (fiona hill) He was being involved in a domestic, political errand, and we were being involved in national security foreign policy and those two things have just diverged.

michael barbaro

Hill testified that when Trump and Sondland pressed Ukraine to investigate the
self and your post - collegiate self who was so fearful about telling the world that you were cheery, what do you kind of wish you could assure that person, that version of Mayor Buttigieg? 

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 Mm - hmm. 

 pete buttigieg 

 It ’s a strange thing to think about that the one matter that I could n’t operate, the one thing that might have mean that it would be better not to have any aspirations related to politics at wholly could be the very matter that anchors the moral and emotional purpose of this integral campaign. 

 michael barbaro 

 Thank you very much. 

 pete buttigieg 

 Thanks for having me. 

 michael barbaro 

 We ’ll be right back. Here ’s what else you need to know today. 

 archive recording (fiona hill) And I did say to him, Ambassador Sondland, Gordon, I think this is all going to blow up, and here we are. 

 michael barbaro 

 In the latest public testimony before impeachment investigators, Fiona Hill, the former top Russia expert on the National Security Council, recall her growing frustration with Ambassador Gordon Sondland, as she realized he was pursuing a political agenda in Ukraine on behalf of President Trump. 

 archived recording (fiona hill) He was being involved in a domestic, political errand, and we were being involve in national security foreign policy and those two thing have just diverged. 

 michael barbaro 

 Hill testified that when Trump and Sondland pressed Ukraine to investigate the
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petz uuttigieg

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michael barbaro

Mm-hmm.

pete buttigieg

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michaxl baxbaro

Thavk ypu verr much.

pete buttlcieg

Thanks for havlng mg.

michaal barbaro

Ae’ll be right back. Here’s what else you need tp nnof today.

axchivec recording (fyona hill) And N did sav to hkm, Ambassasor Sonvland, Gordon, I think this ls all going to blow up, qnd yere we xre.

michael barnaro

In thv jatewt public testimonn befude impeachment nuvtsrigators, Fiona Hiul, ehv fpriar top Russid exoerg on tfe National Recutity Council, recalleg hed growing frustratook with Amvassador Gordon Sondlsnd, as she realizef he xas pucsuing a kolitical agenda in Ukraine on gehalf of Prcsident Trump.

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mjchael barbwro

Hill testified that when Trump and Sondland pressed Ukraine to investitate tie
self and your post-collegiate self who was about the world you were gay, wish could tell that that version of Buttigieg? pete buttigieg Well, back then, would have thought this other fact, if I dared to unpack it, this about my life, this way in which I was different, was the thing could all other by zero, in terms of the impact I was going to have in the world, that might very well choose that path, but that price would be that wouldn’t get to make a in life. And you proof God having a of humor, one of the things I’m seeing now, especially in the interactions I have on the trail and that this is in lot of ways, that same fact that I thought getting to this point might actually be one the things makes it matter the most. michael Mm-hmm. pete buttigieg It’s a strange thing to about that the one thing that I couldn’t control, the one thing that might have it would be better to have any related politics all be the thing that anchors the moral and emotional purpose of this entire michael barbaro Thank you very much. pete buttigieg Thanks for michael We’ll be right Here’s what else you to today. archived recording (fiona I say Sondland, I this is all going blow up, and here we michael barbaro In the investigators, Fiona Hill, the former top Russia expert the National Security Council, recalled her growing with Ambassador Gordon Sondland, as she realized he was pursuing a political in Ukraine of President Trump. archived recording (fiona hill) He being involved in a political errand, and we were being involved in national foreign and those things have just michael barbaro Hill that when Trump pressed Ukraine investigate
 self and your post-collegiate Self who was So feaRfuL abOuT telLing The world that yoU Were Gay, what do you kind of wish You coUlD Tell THaT persOn, that vERsION of maYoR BuTtIGiEg?

petE buTtigieg

well, back thEn, I WoUld have thougHT tHis other faCt, iF I dared to unpAck It, this FaCt aBOut my LifE, this Way in wHIch I waS differenT, wAS the thINg that cOULd MultIply all the other stUFf BY zero, in terms of The impAcT i wAS GoiNg tO have in the WoRld, thAT I might VErY WELl cHOose that path, bUt that the prICe wOuld be ThAt I WOuldn’t Get to MaKE a dIfference in PublIc life. And If you wANt proof OF God havIng a seNse Of hUmor, ONe Of The ThINgs i’M sEeiNG noW, especiaLlY iN the iNterACTIOns I HavE on tHe camPaign trail and The Fact THat This cAmpaiGn is HiStoriC in a loT of waYs, Is that that same fAct tHat I thougHt wOuLd mEaN neveR GettinG to ThiS point mIght actUAllY bE ONE oF the things that makeS iT MAtTer the moSt.

michAEl BaRBaro

Mm-hmM.

pEte ButtIGIeg

It’S a stRAnGe thing tO think ABoUt That the OnE thing ThAt I CouLdn’t cONtroL, the onE thing thAt migHT have meant that IT would be betteR NoT TO hAVe anY asPirations reLateD To poLitiCS aT alL Could Be the VeRY tHIng that anchors the moRaL and emOtionAl purpose of thIs entire caMPAIgn.

michaEl baRBaRO

Thank you very mUch.

peTe buttigieG

thanks foR haviNg me.

michAel barbarO

wE’ll be rigHt bAck. herE’s wHAT eLse you need to kNOW todAy.

ArchiveD reCording (FioNa hIll) and i dId say to hiM, AmbassaDoR SOnDlAnd, gordoN, i think thIs Is aLl GoiNg to bLOw up, anD here We arE.

mIcHAel Barbaro

iN tHE LateSt PuBlic TesTiMony bEforE ImpEachmenT investigAtoRS, FioNa hiLl, the foRmer top Russia ExPert on the NAtIonAl SecuRITy CounciL, recalled her growing frusTRation wIth ambasSadoR Gordon SoNdlAnd, as sHe rEAlized He was pUrsuiNg A poLITical AGEnDa iN UKraine on beHALf oF PresIdEnt TRump.

arcHived recording (fionA HilL) He was being inVolVed iN A DoMesTIc, POliTiCAl eRRAnd, and we were beiNg involved In NAtIonal securITy fOrEign polIcy and tHose tWO things Have just dIverged.

miChAel bARBarO

Hill testiFied that When Trump ANd SonDLaNd preSseD UkraiNe To iNvestIgate tHE
 self and your post-colleg iate selfwho w assofe arfu l ab out telling th e  wor ld that you were gay,whatdo youk in d ofwish yo u  c o u ldte ll  th at pe rson,  th at vers ion of May orBu ttigieg?

pe t ebuttigieg
We ll, back the n,I woul dhav e  thou ght  this  other fact,if I dare dt o unpa c k it, t h i sfact  about my life, t h is way in which I  was d if f er e n t,was  the thing  t hat c o uld mul t ip l y all the other stu ff by zero, intermsof  th e  impac t I w as goi ng to havein t he world,  thatI  mightv ery wel l choo setha t pa t h,  b utth a t t h epri c e w ould beth at  I wo uldn ’ t g et t o m akea dif ference in pu bli c li f e.And i f you  wan tproof  of Go d hav in g a sense of hu mor,  one of t heth ing sI’m s e eing n ow,  es peciall y in th e  in te r a c ti ons I have on theca m p ai gn trail  and t h efa c t that t hi s c ampa i g n ishist o ri c in a l ot ofw ay s,  is tha tthat s am e f act  that I th oughtwould me an ne v er getting tot his point mig h ta c tu a llybeone of thethin g s th at m a ke s i t  matt er th em os t .

michael barbaro
M m-hmm. 

pet e buttigieg
It’s a str a n g e thingto t h in k  about that th e one  thing tha t  I could n’t c ontrol,the one t h i ng thatmig hthav e m e a nt  that it woul d be b et ter not  to  have a nyasp ira tio ns  relatedto polit ic sat  a llcould be the v er y t hi ngthata nchors  themora lan d  em otional pu r p oseof  t hisent ir e cam paig n .
michael  barbaro
Th a nk y ou  v ery muc h.

pete butt ig ieg

Thank sfor  havin g me.

mic hael barbaro

We’ll ber ight ba ck.  Here ’s w hat elseyou  needtok now to day.
archi ve d r e c ordin g (f ion ahill) AndI did  sayto  him , Ambas sador Sondland, Go r don , I think thi s i s al l go ing to blo wu p,a n d here we are.
michael b ar b ar o

In thel ate st  public  testim ony b e fore im peachment  investig at ors, F ion a Hill, th e former  top Russ i a exp e rt  on t heNation al  Se curit y Coun c il,  reca lled h er  growi ng fr us trationwith Ambassador GordonSondla nd, a s s he realiz edh e w as pursui ng a  political  ag end a inUkr a ine o n be h al f o f  Pres iden t  Trump.
a rc hiv e d  r ecording (f i o n a h ill)Hew as bei ng i nvolved in a dome s tic, political  err a n d,and we w er e being involv edin n ationalse curity fore ign poli cy and t hose t wo thi ngs hav e ju s t dive rged .
michael b arb ar o 

Hillte st i fied t hatwh en Tru mp and Sond l a nd pressed Ukrai ne to i nvest i gat e the 
 self_and your_post-collegiate self who was_so fearful_about_telling the_world_that you were_gay, what do_you kind of wish_you could tell_that_person, that version of Mayor Buttigieg?

pete buttigieg

Well, back then, I would have thought this_other_fact, if_I_dared_to unpack it, this fact_about my life, this way_in which_I was different, was the thing that could_multiply_all the other_stuff by zero, in terms of the impact I_was going to have in the_world, that I_might_very_well choose that path,_but that the price would be_that I wouldn’t get to make_a difference in public life. And if_you want proof of God having_a sense of humor, one_of the_things I’m seeing now, especially_in the interactions_I have_on the campaign_trail and the fact that this_campaign is historic_in a lot of ways, is_that_that same fact_that_I_thought would_mean never getting_to_this point_might_actually be one of the things_that_makes it matter the most.

michael barbaro

Mm-hmm.

pete buttigieg

It’s_a strange thing to_think_about that the one_thing that I couldn’t control,_the one thing that might have_meant that_it would_be better not to have any aspirations related to politics at_all could be the very thing_that anchors the moral_and emotional_purpose_of this entire_campaign.

michael_barbaro

Thank you_very much.

pete buttigieg

Thanks for having me.

michael barbaro

We’ll_be right_back. Here’s what else you need_to know today.

archived recording_(fiona_hill) And I did say to_him, Ambassador Sondland, Gordon, I think_this is all going to_blow_up,_and here we are.

michael barbaro

In_the latest public testimony before impeachment_investigators, Fiona Hill,_the former top Russia expert on the_National_Security Council, recalled her growing frustration_with_Ambassador Gordon Sondland, as she realized_he_was_pursuing a political agenda in_Ukraine on behalf of President Trump.

archived_recording (fiona hill) He was being involved in a_domestic, political errand,_and we were being involved_in_national_security foreign policy and those two things have just diverged.

michael_barbaro

Hill testified_that when Trump_and Sondland pressed Ukraine to investigate the