 Facebook, Reddit, something along those lines. I remember somebody saying that Quakers don’t pray, which made me go, “Huh?” But I realized that could be that they’re talking about a specific form of prayer as being something that at least unprogrammed Friends would not be engaging in.

This time we’re going to talk about prayer and Quakers and intercessions and those fun things, and, look, I found a seminarian to chat about it with. I think for liberal Quakers, the most obvious intercessory prayer thing would be we have a little phrase of, “Holding you in the light,” and that means different things to different people. Do you wanna …?

Elijah: Yeah. I can … well, I’m not an unprogrammed Friend, but I can …

Mackenzie: That’s true.

Elijah: Yeah, I think it does mean different things to different people. I was a pastoral intern at a semi-programmed Friends’ meeting in Portland, Oregon, for a while.

Mackenzie: I’ve mentioned West Hills Friends on here before.

Elijah: Right. West Hills Friends. And we regularly used that phrase, “Holding you in the light.” For the people that were not necessarily Christ-centered that was definitely a sort of imagery. They would sit in prayer or meditation and imagine the person being illuminated by the light of God or the light of the world. For others, it’s really just a phrase that means they’re praying for you, using words in the way that other Christians might pray.

Mackenzie: I know I’ve seen … Isabel Penraeth, whose website was quakerjane.com. She had a glossary entry for holding you in the light where she said that … well, she quoting somebody else, but she was saying that you can’t just hold somebody there. It’s not a place where you can go and put someone. And then also like Maggie Harrison I know has a rant about how the light is an uncomfortable thing that shows you your imperfections.

Elijah: And then there’s also an argument that I’ve heard a lot in seminary, especially, that says that how we use language around light and dark or good and bad implies a lot to people of color, especially. If we equate light with good and
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 Mackenzie: I ’ve mentioned West Hills Friends on here before. 

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 Facebook,_Reddit, something_along those lines. I_remember somebody_saying_that Quakers_don’t_pray, which made_me go, “Huh?”_But I realized that_could be that_they’re_talking about a specific form of prayer as being something that at least unprogrammed_Friends_would not_be_engaging_in.

This time we’re going to_talk about prayer and Quakers_and intercessions_and those fun things, and, look, I found_a_seminarian to chat_about it with. I think for liberal Quakers, the_most obvious intercessory prayer thing would_be we have_a_little_phrase of, “Holding you_in the light,” and that means_different things to different people. Do_you wanna …?

Elijah: Yeah. I can …_well, I’m not an unprogrammed Friend,_but I can …

Mackenzie: That’s_true.

Elijah: Yeah,_I think it does mean_different things to_different people._I was a_pastoral intern at a semi-programmed Friends’_meeting in Portland,_Oregon, for a while.

Mackenzie: I’ve mentioned_West_Hills Friends on_here_before.

Elijah:_Right. West_Hills Friends. And_we_regularly used_that_phrase, “Holding you in the light.”_For_the people that were not necessarily Christ-centered_that was definitely a_sort_of imagery. They would_sit in prayer or meditation_and imagine the person being illuminated_by the_light of_God or the light of the world. For others, it’s really_just a phrase that means they’re_praying for you, using_words in_the_way that other_Christians_might pray.

Mackenzie:_I know I’ve seen … Isabel Penraeth,_whose website_was quakerjane.com. She had a glossary_entry for holding you_in_the light where she said that_… well, she quoting somebody else,_but she was saying that_you_can’t_just hold somebody there. It’s_not a place where you can_go and put_someone. And then also like Maggie Harrison_I_know has a rant about how_the_light is an uncomfortable thing that_shows_you_your imperfections.

Elijah: And then there’s_also an argument that I’ve heard_a lot in seminary, especially, that says that how_we use language_around light and dark or_good_and_bad implies a lot to people of color, especially. If_we equate_light with good_and