 WALLACE: No. No, certainly. But those who were closer to the theological issues at the time did and the reality is that we have a gospel and, certainly, in the gospels homosexuality is seen as a sin. Now, let me say, though, that all people are loved by God. Nobody is less of a man or worse for any particular sin than anyone else. I'm no better than anyone else and, in fact, I'm as bad as everyone else before God. So it is not the intention of the homosexual lobby to try and create homophobia. I hate that word because we don't. Our agendas, when we go out...

TONY JONES: I think you just referred to...

KRISTINA KENEALLY: You just referred to yourself as a homosexual lobby.

TONY JONES: I think accidentally referred to yourself as the homosexual lobby.

JIM WALLACE: I don't want to encourage people. I don't want to encourage people.

TONY JONES: A chance - a chance to correct yourself.

JIM WALLACE: I don't want to encourage people I'm going to be out supporting gay marriage. But my objection to large parts of the gay agenda is that I think this agenda has gone too far. When we now have this agenda driven to the point, which I believe is a selfish point, where we have a single man able to acquire a child, a baby, through surrogacy, then I am saying this has gone too far. When we decide that a child in New South Wales here should have its father's - biological father's name erased from a birth certificate to satisfy the demand of two lesbians who don't even live with each other anymore, then this has gone too far. We are creating biological myth and...

TONY JONES: Jim, I'm going to interrupt you there because we've got a few hands up in the audience and we do need to hear from the other panellists. We'll go to this gentleman here.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Jim, you have hit the nail on the head, mate, when you said the theological issues of the time. It's thousands of years ago, mate. Move on.

TONY JONES: Okay, and...

JIM WALLACE: Well...

TONY JONES: Also hang on a
WALLACE: No. No, certainly. But those who were closer to the theological issues at the time do and the world is that we have a gospel and, surely, in the gospels homosexuality is interpret as a sin. Now, permit me say, though, that all people are love by God. Nobody is less of a man or worse for any finical sin than anyone else. I'm no better than anyone else and, in fact, I'm equally bad as everyone else before God. So it is not the intention of the homosexual lobby to try and create homophobia. I hate that word because we maken't. Our agendas, when we go out... 

 TONY JONES: I intend you just referred to... 

 KRISTINA KENEALLY: You just referred to yourself as a homosexual anteroom. 

 TONY JONES: I think incidentally referred to yourself as the homosexual lobby. 

 JIM WALLACE: I don't want to promote people. I don't want to encourage people. 

 TONY JONES: A chance - a chance to correct yourself. 

 JIM WALLACE: I don't want to encourage people I'm going to be out supporting gay marriage. But my objection to large parts of the gay agenda is that I remember this agenda has gone too far. When we immediately get this agenda driven to the point, which I believe is a selfish distributor point, where we have a single man able to acquire a child, a child, through surrogacy, then I am saying this has gone too far. When we decide that a child in New South Wales here should have its father's - biological father's name erased from a birth certificate to satisfy the demand of two lesbians who don't even survive with each early anymore, then this has run too far. We are creating biological myth and... 

 TONY JONES: Jim, I'm going to interrupt you there because we've make a few hands up in the audience and we do necessitate to hear from the other panellists. We'll go to this valet here. 

 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Jim, you have hit the nail on the head, mate, when you said the theological issues of the clock time. It's thousands of old age ago, mate. affect on. 

 TONY JONES: Okay, and... 

 JIM WALLACE: Well... 

 TONY JONES: besides hang on a
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TONU JONES: I thinl ymu hust referred to...

KRISTMNA KENEALLY: You jusj referred tk yourself as a himisexudl lmbby.

GINY JOHEX: J thinn arcidentally referred ti yourself as the hpmjwexual lobby.

JJM WALJASE: I don't want to encourage people. I dot't sant to encourage peoplw.

TONY JONES: A chance - a chance to correct yourself.

JIM WALLACE: I don't want to enwouraje peipjd I'l going to be out supporting gay marriage. But jy onjection to largc parts of the gay ahemqa is that I jhink tkjs agenda has gone tlo far. Rhen qe now hade tnis agenda driven to the pount, which I yelueve is a selfish 'oint, where ce havg a simgle man able to acquirz a chjld, a baby, hhrough shfrogacy, then I ao ssyhng this has gone too far. Rhen we dxcide that a chikd in Gew South Aales here should have ihs fajher's - biologicap father's name erased from a bicvh certificatg tm sdtisfy tke demsnd of two lefbians who don'j even lire witf each othvr anymorx, then this ras gone too xwr. We are crxating bijlogucal myth ava...

TONY JONES: Jik, I'm goiny to unterrupt you therc becxhse we've got a ytw yands up in the auaiegcv aid we go need to haar wroo the uther paneloksts. We'll go to this gendlemzn here.

AUDIENCE MEKBCR: Jim, yoo have hie the nail on the head, mate, whej you samd the thgological issues of the time. It'a thousanfs jf years ago, matc. Mode on.

TONY LONES: Okay, and...

JIM WALLACE: Well...

TONY JONES: Also hang on a
WALLACE: No. No, certainly. But those who to theological issues the time did we a gospel and, in the gospels is seen as a sin. Now, me say, though, that all people are loved by God. Nobody is less a man or worse for any particular sin than anyone else. I'm no than else in I'm as bad as everyone else before God. So it is not the intention of the lobby to try and create homophobia. I hate word because we don't. agendas, when we go out... JONES: think you referred KRISTINA You just referred yourself as a homosexual lobby. TONY JONES: I think accidentally referred to yourself as the homosexual lobby. WALLACE: I to encourage I want encourage people. TONY chance - a chance to correct I don't want to encourage people I'm going be out gay marriage. But my objection to parts of the gay agenda is that I this agenda has gone too far. When we now have this agenda driven to the I believe is a point, where we a man to a child, baby, through surrogacy, then I am saying this has gone too When we decide that a child in New South Wales have father's - biological name erased from a certificate satisfy the demand of who even other then has gone too far. are creating biological myth and... JONES: Jim, I'm going we've got a few hands up in the and we do need to hear from other panellists. We'll go to this gentleman here. AUDIENCE MEMBER: Jim, you hit the the head, mate, when you said the theological of the time. It's of years ago, mate. Move on. TONY JONES: Okay, JIM Well... TONY Also hang on
 WALLACE: No. No, certainly. But thOse who were CloseR to The ThEoloGicaL issues at the tiME did And the reality is that we hAve a gOsPEl anD, CeRtainLy, in the GOsPELs hOmOsExuAlITy Is seeN as A sin. Now, Let me say, thOugH, tHat all people ARe Loved by God. nobOdy is less of a Man Or worsE fOr aNY partIcuLar siN than aNYone elSe. I'm no betTeR Than anYOne else AND, iN facT, I'm as bad as everyonE ElSE before God. So it Is not tHe INtENTioN of The homosexUaL lobbY To try anD CrEATE hoMOphobia. I hate tHat word becaUSe wE don't. OUr AgeNDas, wheN we go OuT...

tONy JONES: I thinK you Just referRed to...

KriSTINA KenEALLY: YOu just RefErrEd to YOuRsElf As A HomOSeXuaL LobBy.

TONY JOnEs: I Think AcciDENTAlly RefErreD to yoUrself as the hoMosExuaL LobBy.

JIM wALLAcE: I dOn'T want To encoUrage PeOple. I don't want to EncoUrage peopLe.

ToNy JOnEs: A chaNCe - a chaNce To cOrrect yOurself.

jiM WaLlace: I Don't want to encouragE pEOPlE I'm going To be ouT SuPpORting gay MaRriAge. BUT My objEctiON tO large paRts of tHE gAy Agenda iS tHat I thInK thIs aGenda HAs goNe too fAr. When we Now haVE this agenda driVEn to the point, wHIcH i BeLIeve Is a Selfish poinT, wheRE we hAve a SInGle MAn ablE to acQuIRe A Child, a baby, through suRrOgacy, tHen I aM saying this haS gone too faR. wHEn we deciDe thAT a CHild in New South wales Here should HAve its faTher's - BiologicAl father's NAMe erased FroM a bIrtH ceRTIfIcate to satisfY THe deMaNd of two LesBians whO doN't eVen LivE wIth each otHer anymoRe, ThEn ThIs hAs gonE Too far. We ArE crEaTinG biolOGical mYth anD...

TONy JoNes: JiM, I'm goinG To INTerrUpT yOu thEre BeCause We've GOt a Few handS up in the aUdiENce aNd We Do need tO hear from the oThEr panellisTs. we'lL go to tHIS gentlemAn here.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Jim, YOu have hIt tHe naiL on tHe head, matE, whEn you sAid THe theoLogicaL issuEs Of tHE Time. IT'S ThOusAnDs of years aGO, MatE. Move On.

tONY jONES: OkAy, and...

JIM WALLACE: WelL...

tONy JONES: Also hanG on A
 WALLACE: No. No, certainl y. But tho se wh o w ere  c lose r to  the theologic a l is sues at the time did a nd th er eali t yis th at we h a ve a  go sp el  an d, ce rtain ly,  in the  gospels h omo se xuality is s e en  as a sin.  No w, let me sa y,though ,tha t  allpeo ple a re lov e d by G od. Nobod yi s less of a ma n or  wor se for any partic u la r  sin than anyo ne els e. I' m nobet ter than a ny one e l se and, in f a ct, I'm as bad as  everyone e l sebefore  G od. So itis no tt heintention o f th e homosex ual lo b by to t r y and c reatehom oph obia .  I  h ate  t h atw or d b e cau se we do n' t.  Ouragen d a s ,  whe n w e go  out. ..

TONY JONE S:I th i nkyou j ust r efer re d to. ..

KR ISTIN AKENEALLY: You j ustreferredtoyo urs el f asa  homos exu allobby.
TONY J O NES :I t hi nk accidentally re fe r r ed  to your self a s  t he homosexu al  lo bby. JIM W ALLA C E:  I don't  wantt oen courage  p eople.  I  do n't  want to e ncoura ge peopl e.

T O NY JONES: A ch a nce - a chanc e  t o co r rect  yo urself.

JI M WA L LACE : Id on 'tw ant t o enc ou r ag e  people I'm going t obe out  supp orting gay ma rriage. Bu t m y object iont ol arge parts ofthe g ay agendai s that I  thin k this a genda has g one toofar . W hen  we n ow  have this ag e n da d ri ven tothe  point,  wh ich  Ibel ie ve is a s elfish p oi nt ,wh ere  we h a ve a sin gl e m an  ab le to acquir e a c hild ,ab aby , throu g hs u rrog ac y,  the n I  a m say ingt his  has go ne too fa r.W henwe  d ecide t hat a child i nNew SouthWa les  heres h ould hav e its father's - biolog i cal fat her 's na me e rased fro m a  birth  ce r tifica te tosatis fy  th e deman d of  tw olesbians w h o  do n't e ve n li ve with  each other anymor e , t hen this hasgon e to o fa r.W ea recr e ati n g  biological myt h and...
TO N YJONES: Jim ,  I' mgoing t o inter rupty ou ther e because  we've go ta fe w han ds up in t he audie nce and w e  do n e ed  to h ear  fromth e o therpanell i sts . We' ll goto  thisgentl em an here. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Jim,  you h ave h itthe nailont hehead, mat e, w hen you sa idthe  theo log i cal i ssue s  o f t h e tim e. I t 's thousa n ds  of y ea rs ago, mat e . Mov e on. 

T O NY JON ES:Okay, and...

JIM WALLACE: Well. ..
T O NYJON E S: A ls o hang on a
 WALLACE:_No. No,_certainly. But those who_were closer_to_the theological_issues_at the time_did and the_reality is that we_have a gospel_and,_certainly, in the gospels homosexuality is seen as a sin. Now, let me say,_though,_that all_people_are_loved by God. Nobody is_less of a man or_worse for_any particular sin than anyone else. I'm no_better_than anyone else_and, in fact, I'm as bad as everyone else_before God. So it is not_the intention of_the_homosexual_lobby to try and_create homophobia. I hate that word_because we don't. Our agendas, when_we go out...

TONY JONES: I think you_just referred to...

KRISTINA KENEALLY: You just_referred to yourself as a_homosexual lobby.

TONY_JONES: I think accidentally referred_to yourself as_the homosexual_lobby.

JIM WALLACE: I_don't want to encourage people. I_don't want to_encourage people.

TONY JONES: A chance -_a_chance to correct_yourself.

JIM_WALLACE:_I don't_want to encourage_people_I'm going_to_be out supporting gay marriage. But_my_objection to large parts of the gay_agenda is that I_think_this agenda has gone_too far. When we now_have this agenda driven to the_point, which_I believe_is a selfish point, where we have a single man able_to acquire a child, a baby,_through surrogacy, then I_am saying_this_has gone too_far._When we_decide that a child in New South_Wales here_should have its father's - biological_father's name erased from_a_birth certificate to satisfy the demand_of two lesbians who don't even_live with each other anymore,_then_this_has gone too far. We_are creating biological myth and...

TONY JONES:_Jim, I'm going_to interrupt you there because we've got_a_few hands up in the audience_and_we do need to hear from_the_other_panellists. We'll go to this_gentleman here.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Jim, you have_hit the nail on the head, mate, when you_said the theological_issues of the time. It's_thousands_of_years ago, mate. Move on.

TONY JONES: Okay, and...

JIM WALLACE: Well...

TONY_JONES: Also_hang on a