y23
How do you not ask what the company does before joining as an FTE? Even
discounting moral hazards... wouldn't you want to know what the mission is?
Especially at a startup-y type of place?

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arcticbull
I'd always wondered how all those Bond villains got their henchmen to work on
crazy remote islands. I guess the perks were good! Just don't ask what we do
^_^

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askyourmother
I remember interviewing for a search company, but then found most of the work
and business was spent on adverts! No thanks Google!

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pdkl95
> you’d see ads on sites like Wikipedia or Target.com

Normally we call that vandalism. They should be facing criminal charges, not
civil lawsuits and pressure from Google.

~~~
ikeboy
There's no case afaik, because they disclose everything in the original
agreement when you install their software.

Unethical, sure, but there's little the law can do to prevent people from
agreeing to such things.

Maybe a requirement for certain disclosures to be made more prominent (like
for cigarettes)?

~~~
unsavory
It would be an interesting case if someone tried this with the venerable TV
industry: rent/borrow/buy our special HDMI cable/tuner, let us replace your
ads, and we'll pay half your cable bill if you let us put our ads up instead.

Methinks the broadcasters would pounce down like a ton of bricks and their
lawyers would use every loose corner of the law to bury you perpetually `a la
Aereo.`

~~~
schoen
I have this vague recollection that friends whose families subscribed to HBO
in the 1980s said they didn't show ads at all, because subscribers were
directly paying for the programming through their subscriptions (whereas free-
to-air stations felt they had to run ads because viewer weren't paying
directly). Was this actually true? Does anyone else have a similar
recollection?

I'm just wondering if there was a particular moment when people's intuitions
about where you could expect to see ads on television changed.

~~~
BrandonM
AFAIK this is still true of HBO.

 

y23 
 How do you not ask what the company does before joining as an FTE? Even 
 dismiss moral hazard... wouldn't you want to know what the mission is? 
 specially at a startup - y character of place? 

 ------ 
 arcticbull 
 I'd always wondered how all those Bond villain got their henchmen to sour on 
 crazy remote island. I think the perks were good! Just don't ask what we do 
 ^_^ 

 ------ 
 askyourmother 
 I commend interviewing for a search company, but then found most of the oeuvre 
 and business was spent on adverts! No thanks Google! 

 ------ 
 pdkl95 
 > you ’d see ad on sites like Wikipedia or Target.com 

 Normally we address that vandalism. They should be facing criminal charges, not 
 civil lawsuit and pressure from Google. 

 ~~~ 
 ikeboy 
 There's no case afaik, because they disclose everything in the original 
 agreement when you install their software. 

 Unethical, sure, but there's little the law can serve to prevent people from 
 agreeing to such things. 

 Maybe a requirement for certain disclosures to be made more prominent (like 
 for cigarettes)? 

 ~~~ 
 distasteful 
 It would be an interesting event if someone tried this with the august television 
 diligence: rent / borrow / buy our special HDMI cable / tuner, let us replace your 
 ads, and we'll yield half your cable bill if you let us put our ads up instead. 

 Methinks the broadcaster would pounce down like a ton of bricks and their 
 lawyers would use every easy corner of the jurisprudence to bury you perpetually 'a la 
 Aereo. '

 ~~~ 
 schoen 
 I have this vague recollection that friend whose families subscribed to HBO 
 in the 1980s said they didn't show ads at all, because subscribers were 
 immediately paying for the programming through their subscriptions (whereas free- 
 to - air stations feel they had to carry ads because spectator weren't paying 
 directly). Was this actually genuine? Does anyone else have a similar 
 recall? 

 I'm just wonder if there was a finical moment when people's intuitions 
 about where you could expect to see ad on television changed. 

 ~~~ 
 BrandonM 
 AFAIK this is however true of HBO.
y23
Hoa do you not ask what tht company does beyire jomning aa an FTE? Even
discounting moral hazarvs... wiuldn'u you want to know dhat the lission us?
Eskecially at a stacfup-y tyiz of lpace?

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crrticbull
I'd alwais wondered vow all those Tovd villains got their henchmen to worh on
craay remote islandf. I btess nht perks were good! Just don't ask wgat we vo
^_^

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askyourmother
O remember interviewing fog a dearch company, but then found mose of the work
xnd business was spent on adverts! No thanks Google!

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pdku95
> you’b see ads ob witfv like Wiki'edia jr Target.com

Kprmallf we cakl that vandallsm. Tiey whould be facing crimmnal charges, not
civij lawsuitv cnd pressure from Gootlw.

~~~
ikebmy
Thare's bo zast ahaii, becakse they discmose everytying in the originak
adgrement when gou inftwll their software.

Unethical, sure, but thtre's mittle the law can do ti prevent people from
wgreeing eo such things.

Maybe a requirement for certain diswlosucer ti ne mxee more prominent (like
for cigarettes)?

~~~
unsavory
It rkukd be an interesbing case if someome ttyed this with the vzhedable TV
industry: rfnt/borrjw/buy our specyal NDMI cable/tuner, let us replqce your
ads, cnd we'll pay half youx cable bill if iou ley us put our ads up inscead.

Mefhinks the hroadcastsfs would pounce aowk lhke a ton of bricks and thqir
lawyerw wobld use dveri loose corner of the law to bury you peroetuaplf `a la
Aerel.`

~~~
schoen
I have this vague recollxrtion that froetds whose fcmiliex subscribed eo HBO
in the 1980s said tkey dian't show ass at anl, because fubscribers wate
directly pabing for ehe progeamming ghrough their xubscriptpous (whereaw free-
to-air statioks feuf they had to rbu qds because vieeer wewej't pwfing
directly). Was thkx actjally true? Bods amyone else have a sikilad
recollection?

I'm juxt wonderibg if thqre was a paryicular moment whej peo'le's iituitipns
wbout where you could expect tk see ads on television shanned.

~~~
BtandonM
AFAIL this is still true of HBO.

 

y23 How do you not ask what does joining as FTE? Even discounting to what the mission Especially at a type of place? ------ arcticbull I'd wondered how all those Bond villains got their henchmen to work on crazy islands. I guess the perks were good! Just don't ask what we do ------ I interviewing a search company, but then found most of the work and business was spent on adverts! thanks Google! ------ pdkl95 > you’d see ads sites like Wikipedia or Normally we call that vandalism. should facing criminal not lawsuits pressure from Google. ikeboy There's no case afaik, because they disclose everything in the original agreement when you install their Unethical, sure, little the can to people from agreeing things. Maybe a requirement for certain made more prominent (like for cigarettes)? ~~~ unsavory would be interesting case if someone tried this the venerable TV industry: rent/borrow/buy our special HDMI let us replace your ads, and we'll pay half your cable bill if you let our ads up instead. the broadcasters would down a of and their would use every loose corner of the law to bury you `a la Aereo.` ~~~ schoen I have this vague recollection whose subscribed to HBO the 1980s said they show at all, because subscribers paying the subscriptions free- stations felt they had run ads because viewer weren't directly). Was this actually a similar recollection? I'm just wondering if there a particular moment when people's intuitions about you could expect to see ads on television changed. ~~~ BrandonM AFAIK is still HBO.
y23
How do you not ask what the comPany does beFore jOinIng As An FTe? EveN
discounting moRAl haZards... wouldn't you want to kNow whAt THe miSSiOn is?
ESpecialLY aT A StaRtUp-Y tyPe OF pLace?

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aRctIcbull
I'D always wonDerEd How all those BONd Villains goT thEir henchmen tO woRk on
crAzY reMOte isLanDs. I guEss the PErks weRe good! JusT dON't ask wHAt we do
^_^

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aSKYoUrmoTher
I remember inteRViEWing for a search CompanY, bUT tHEN foUnd Most of the wOrK
and bUSiness wAS sPENT on ADverts! No thankS Google!

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pdkl95
> YOu’d See ads On SitES like WIkipeDiA Or TArget.com

NorMallY we call thAt vandALism. TheY Should bE facinG crImiNal cHArGeS, noT
cIVil LAwSuiTS anD pressurE fRoM GoogLe.

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ikEBOY
therE's nO casE afaiK, because they dIscLose EVerYthinG in thE oriGiNal
agReemenT when YoU install their soFtwaRe.

UnethicAl, sUrE, buT tHere's LIttle tHe lAw cAn do to pRevent pEOplE fROM
AgReeing to such things.

maYBE a RequiremEnt for CErTaIN disclosUrEs tO be mADE more PromINeNt (like
foR cigarETtEs)?

~~~
UnsavorY
IT would Be An iNteRestiNG casE if somEone trieD this WIth the venerablE tV
industry: renT/BoRROw/BUy ouR spEcial HDMI caBle/tUNer, lEt us REpLacE Your
aDs, and We'LL pAY half your cable bill iF yOu let uS put oUr ads up insteaD.

Methinks tHE BRoadcastErs wOUlD Pounce down like A ton oF bricks and THeir
lawyErs woUld use evEry loose cORNer of the Law To bUry You PERpEtually `a la
AerEO.`

~~~
SchoEn
i have thIs vAgue recOllEctIon ThaT fRiends whoSe familiEs SuBsCrIbeD to HBo
In the 1980s saId TheY dIdn'T show ADs at alL, becaUse sUbScRIbeRs were
dIReCTLy paYiNg For tHe pRoGrammIng tHRouGh their SubscriptIonS (WherEaS fRee-
to-aiR stations felt ThEy had to run AdS beCause vIEWer weren'T paying
directly). Was this aCTually tRue? does aNyonE else have A siMilar
rEcoLLectioN?

I'm jusT wondErIng IF There WAS a ParTiCular momenT WHen PeoplE's IntuItions
aBout where you could eXPecT to see ads on teLevIsioN CHaNgeD.

~~~
brANdoNM
afAIk THis is still true oF HBO.

 

y23
How do you not ask wha t the comp any d oes  be fo re j oini ng as an FTE?E vendiscounting moral haza rds.. .w ould n 't  youwant to kn o w  wh at  t hemi s si on is ?
E special ly at a st art up -y type of p l ac e?

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ar cticbull
I'd  al ways w on der e d how  al l tho se Bon d  villa ins got t he i r henc h men tow o rk  oncrazy remote isla n ds .  I guess the p erks w er e  g o o d!Jus t don't as kwhatw e do
^_ ^ 
- - - --- askyourmother 
I remember int erview in g f o r a se archco m pan y, but then  fou nd most o f thew ork
and busines s wasspe nton a d ve rt s!No tha n ks  Go o gle !

----- -pd kl95> yo u ’ d seeads  onsites  like Wikiped iaor T a rge t.com 

Nor mall ywe ca ll tha t van da lism. They shou ld b e facingcri mi nal  c harge s , notciv illawsuit s and p r ess ur e f ro m Google.

~~~
ike bo y Th ere's no  casea fa ik ,  because  t hey  dis c l ose e very t hi ng in th e orig i na lagreeme nt  whenyo u i nst all t h eirsoftwa re.

Une thica l , sure, but th e re's little t h el a wc an d o t o prevent p eopl e  fro m
ag r ee ing to su ch th in g s. 
Maybe a requiremen tfor ce rtain  disclosuresto be made m o re promi nent (l i ke
for cigaret tes)? 

~~~
unsa v ory
It w ouldbe an in teresting c ase if s ome one  tr ied t hi s with the ve n e rabl eTV
indu str y: rent /bo rro w/b uyou r special  HDMI ca bl e/ tu ne r,let u s  replace  y our 
a ds,  andw e'll p ay ha lf y ou rc abl e billi fy o u le tus  put  ou rads u p in s tea d.

Met hinks the  br o adca st er s would  pounce downli ke a ton o fbri cks an d their
la wyers would use every l o ose cor ner  of t he l aw to bur y y ou per pet u ally ` a la
A ereo. `
~~ ~ schoe n Ihav ethis vague r eco llect io n th at frie nds whose families sub scribed to HB O
i n th e 19 80s sa i d t he y  di d n 't show ads atall, becau se su bscribersw ere 
d irectly  paying  fort he prog ramming t hrough th ei r su b s cri ptions (wh ereas fr ee-
to-ai r  stat i on s fel t t hey ha dtorun a ds bec a use  view er wer en 't pay ing
d ir ectly).Was this actually true?  Doesanyon e e lse havea s i mil ar
recoll ecti on?

I'm j ust  wo nderi ngi f the re w a sa p a rticu larm oment whe n  p eop l e 's  intuitions a b out  wher e y o u coul d ex pect to see ads o n  television ch ange d . 

~ ~~B rand on M
AFAIK this i s s ti l l  true of  H BO.

 

y23
How do_you not_ask what the company_does before_joining_as an_FTE?_Even
discounting moral hazards..._wouldn't you want_to know what the_mission is?
Especially at_a_startup-y type of place?

------
arcticbull
I'd always wondered how all those Bond villains got their henchmen_to_work on
crazy_remote_islands._I guess the perks were_good! Just don't ask what_we do
^_^

------
askyourmother
I_remember interviewing for a search company, but then_found_most of the_work
and business was spent on adverts! No thanks Google!

------
pdkl95
>_you’d see ads on sites like_Wikipedia or Target.com

Normally_we_call_that vandalism. They should_be facing criminal charges, not
civil lawsuits_and pressure from Google.

~~~
ikeboy
There's no case_afaik, because they disclose everything in the_original
agreement when you install their software.

Unethical,_sure, but there's little the_law can_do to prevent people from
agreeing_to such things.

Maybe_a requirement_for certain disclosures_to be made more prominent (like
for_cigarettes)?

~~~
unsavory
It would be_an interesting case if someone tried_this_with the venerable_TV
industry:_rent/borrow/buy_our special_HDMI cable/tuner, let_us_replace your
ads,_and_we'll pay half your cable bill_if_you let us put our ads up_instead.

Methinks the broadcasters would_pounce_down like a ton_of bricks and their
lawyers would_use every loose corner of the_law to_bury you_perpetually `a la
Aereo.`

~~~
schoen
I have this vague recollection that friends whose families_subscribed to HBO
in the 1980s said_they didn't show ads_at all,_because_subscribers were
directly paying_for_the programming_through their subscriptions (whereas free-
to-air stations felt_they had_to run ads because viewer weren't_paying
directly). Was this actually_true?_Does anyone else have a similar
recollection?

I'm_just wondering if there was a_particular moment when people's intuitions
about_where_you_could expect to see ads_on television changed.

~~~
BrandonM
AFAIK this is still_true of HBO.

_
