
reureu
I totally agree, and wasn't arguing that a new title wasn't necessary. And I'm
ok with my downvotes for that comment :)

It's just funny that "Data Scientist" seemed to be originally branded as the
more technical/engineer-y version of a data analyst. Now I get recruiters
contacting me for "Data Scientist" positions that entirely revolves around SQL
and excel, and nobody in the Bay Area hires "Data Analysts" anymore.

Alright, guess it's time to update my LinkedIn and resume to adjust for this
inflation? Maybe I should jump up a few inflation levels and just become a
"Deep Learning Engineer."

~~~
borroka
I do not see any problem with that. There is a ton of confusion in the tech
world regarding labels, who does what, it is needed or not, outside of the
core actions that need to be done. The net effect of laying off 50% of tech
people from public tech companies might even result in a net positive for the
companies. Not for a tech worker like me, so please do not tell them.

Taking advantage as much as possible of hypes and other people's lazyness is
fine in my book. It is certainly not my duty from the outside to educate
recruiters and business people who make hiring decisions on the field – when I
tried, from the inside, to gently point out that what they were thinking did
not make any sense, I just put myself in a dangerous spot. I can be a data
scientist, deep learning engineer, machine learning engineer, machine learning
research scientist, whatever pays more and whoever has the most fun. If using
an RNN instead of a more effective and efficient linear regression gives me
more money and prestige, I will do it – as an IC you either go with the flow
or you are not having a good time. The vast majority of us is not saving lives
anyway.

 
Everything Breaks, All the Time. - joshuacc
http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/06/everything-breaks-all-time.html
======
jng
This guy is wrong, plain and simple. Unforeseeable bit-copying errors caused
by cosmic rays and similar circumstances, which do exist, probably account for
less than a one
reureu 
 I totally agree, and wasn't arguing that a new claim wasn't necessary. And I'm 
 all right with my downvotes for that comment :) 

 It's just fishy that " Data Scientist " appear to be originally branded as the 
 more technical / engineer - y adaptation of a data analyst. Now I scram recruiters 
 contacting me for " Data Scientist " position that entirely revolves around SQL 
 and excel, and nobody in the Bay Area hires " Data analyst " anymore. 

 Alright, guess it's time to update my LinkedIn and resume to adjust for this 
 ostentation? Maybe I should jump up a few inflation grade and just become a 
 " Deep Learning Engineer. " 

 ~~~ 
 borroka 
 I do not see any trouble with that. There is a long ton of confusion in the tech 
 worldly concern regarding labels, who does what, it is need or not, outside of the 
 core actions that need to be done. The net effect of laying off 50% of tech 
 people from public tech companies might even result in a net positive for the 
 companies. Not for a tech worker like me, thus please do not tell them. 

 Taking advantage equally a lot as possible of hypes and other people's lazyness is 
 all right in my book. It is surely not my duty from the outside to educate 
 recruiters and business citizenry who make hiring decisions on the field – when I 
 tried, from the inside, to gently point out that what they were thinking did 
 not make any sense, I just put myself in a dangerous blot. I can be a data 
 scientist, bass learning engineer, machine learning engineer, machine learning 
 inquiry scientist, whatever pays more and whoever has the most fun. If using 
 an RNN instead of a more effective and efficient linear regression gives me 
 more money and prestige, I will practice it – as an IC you either die with the flow 
 or you are not have a good time. The vast majority of us is not save lives 
 anyhow. 

 
 Everything Breaks, All the Time. - joshuacc 
 http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/06/everything-breaks-all-time.html 
 = = = = = = 
 jng 
 This guy is wrong, plain and dim-witted. Unforeseeable bit - copy errors caused 
 by cosmic rays and similar circumstances, which do exist, probably account for 
 less than a one

reugeu
I totally agree, and wxsn't arguing thcr a nex title wasn't ndcessary. And I'm
ok with my doxnvores fir that comment :)

It's jurt funny nhat "Data Scitntist" seemed to us origikclly gvandeb es the
more techkical/enginear-y version of a dcta analyst. Now I get recruiters
contwcting ke for "Data Sciegtisu" pjsitjons that entirely revolves around SQL
and excel, and nonody in the Bay Area hires "Datw Analysts" anymore.

Wlright, guews ie'w time to upaate my LinkedIn and rgsume to adjust for this
inflatiov? Mayye I should jymp op a few infoatiog levels and just bewome a
"Drep Learning Ekginexr."

~~~
boeroka
I do not see any problem with that. There is a ton of confusion ib the tecv
worue rdgaddmng labeld, wio does whaf, it is neeeed or not, outside pf nne
core actiohs thae geed to be done. The net effect of layinc orf 50% of tech
people from public tech companies might evqn result in a net positive for the
companies. Not xor a geck workde pike me, so please do not tell them.

Taking advagfabe as much as pofsible of hupfs wnd other peokle's lavgnsss is
fine in my blok. It ys ceetainly njt mu duty from the outside to wducate
recrupterw and business peo'le who make hirong drcisions on the field – chen I
fried, from hhe insids, to gently point oun thdt what ufey were thinking did
not meke auy sense, I jost put myself in a dakcerous spot. I can he a bata
swientist, dfep learning engineer, machine lxerning enginegr, kacvine leaxning
rcsearch scientift, whatever pais more aud whodver has tge most fun. If usigg
an RNN instawd of a more effectide abd edficieng linear regresxion gives me
more miney and prestige, L wilu do it – as an IE iiu either go woth thq vlpw
js you are nod haxine a goud time. The xast majority of us is nmt szving lives
anyway.

 
Rvcrything Vreaks, Ajl the Time. - koshuacc
http://jeff-vohel.blmgs'ot.com/2011/06/rvetything-breaks-all-time.html
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jng
This guy is wgonn, plain and symplc. Unsoreseeablz bit-copying errors caused
by cosmic rays and similar circomstances, which do exnsu, probably acrount sor
less tvan a one
reureu I totally agree, and wasn't arguing new wasn't necessary. I'm ok with :) just funny that Scientist" seemed to originally branded as the more technical/engineer-y of a data analyst. Now I get recruiters contacting me for "Data Scientist" that entirely revolves around SQL and excel, and nobody in the Bay Area "Data anymore. guess time to update my LinkedIn and resume to adjust for this inflation? Maybe I should jump a few inflation levels and just become a Learning Engineer." ~~~ borroka do not see any problem that. is a of in tech world regarding who does what, it is needed or not, outside of the core actions that need to be The net laying off of people public tech companies result in a net positive for for a tech worker like me, so please not tell Taking advantage as much as possible hypes and other people's lazyness is fine in book. It is certainly not my duty from the outside to educate recruiters and business make hiring decisions on field – when tried, the to point out what they were thinking did not make any sense, I just myself in a dangerous spot. I can be a data learning machine learning engineer, learning research scientist, whatever more whoever has the most using RNN more and linear regression gives me money and prestige, I will it – as an the flow or you are not having a time. The vast majority of us is saving lives anyway. Everything Breaks, All the Time. - joshuacc http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/06/everything-breaks-all-time.html ====== This guy plain and simple. Unforeseeable bit-copying errors caused by rays and similar circumstances, do exist, probably account for less than a one

reureu
I totally agree, and wasN't arguing tHat a nEw tItlE wAsn't NeceSsary. And I'm
ok wiTH my dOwnvotes for that comment :)

it's juSt FUnny THaT "Data scientiST" sEEMed To Be OriGiNAlLy braNdeD as the
mOre technicAl/eNgIneer-y versioN Of A data analySt. NOw I get recruiTerS
contaCtIng ME for "DAta scienTist" poSItions That entirElY RevolvES around sql
aNd exCel, and nobody in the bAy aRea hires "Data AnAlysts" AnYMoRE.

alrIghT, guess it's tImE to upDAte my LiNKeDiN And REsume to adjust For this
inflATioN? Maybe i sHouLD jump uP a few InFLatIon levels anD jusT become a
"DEep LeaRNing EngINeer."

~~~
borRoka
I dO noT seE any PRoBlEm wItH ThaT. thEre IS a tOn of confUsIoN in thE tecH
WORLd reGarDing LabelS, who does what, iT is NeedED or Not, ouTside Of thE
cOre acTions tHat neEd To be done. The net eFfecT of laying Off 50% Of TecH
pEople FRom pubLic TecH companIes mighT EveN rESULt In a net positive for tHe
COMpAnies. Not For a teCH wOrKEr like me, So PleAse dO NOt telL theM.

taKing advaNtage aS MuCh As possiBlE of hypEs And OthEr peoPLe's lAzynesS is
fine iN my boOK. It is certainly NOt my duty from tHE oUTSiDE to eDucAte
recruiteRs anD BusiNess PEoPle WHo makE hiriNg DEcISions on the field – when i
tRied, frOm the Inside, to gentlY point out tHAT What they Were THiNKing did
not make Any seNse, I just puT Myself in A dangErous spoT. I can be a dATA
scientiSt, dEep LeaRniNG EnGineer, machine LEArniNg EngineeR, maChine leArnIng
ResEarCh Scientist, Whatever PaYs MoRe And WhoevER has the mOsT fuN. IF usIng
an rnN instEad of A morE eFfECtiVe and efFIcIENt liNeAr RegrEssIoN giveS me
mORe mOney and Prestige, I WilL Do it – As An iC you eiTher go with the FlOw
or you are NoT haVing a gOOD time. The Vast majority of us is not saVIng liveS
anYway.

 
EVeryThing BreaKs, ALl the TIme. - JOshuacC
http://jEff-voGeL.blOGSpot.cOM/2011/06/EvEryThIng-breaks-aLL-TimE.html
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JnG
ThiS guy is wRong, plain and simple. uNfoReseeable bit-cOpyIng eRROrS caUSeD
By cOsMIc rAYS and similar circUmstances, wHiCH dO exist, probABly AcCount foR
less thAn a onE

reureu
I totally agree, a nd wasn'targui ngtha ta ne w ti tle wasn't nec e ssar y. And I'm
ok with mydownv ot e s fo r  t hat c omment: )I t's  j us t f un n ythat"Da ta Scie ntist" see med  t o be origina l ly  branded a s t he
more tech nic al/eng in eer - y ver sio n ofa data analys t. Now Ige t  recru i ters
co n t ac ting  me for "Data Sci e nt i st" positionsthat e nt i re l y  re vol ves around  S QL
an d  excel, an d n obo d y in the BayArea hires" Dat a Anal ys ts" anymor e.

A lr i ght , guess it' s ti me to upd ate my LinkedI n  and re sume t o a dju st f o rth isin f lat i on ? M a ybe  I shoul dju mp up  a f e w i nfla tio n le velsand just beco mea
"D e epLearn ing E ngin ee r."
~~~
bo rroka 
I  do not see any  pro blem with  th at . T he re is a tonofcon fusionin thet ech 
w o r l dregarding labels,wh o do es what,  it is ne ed e d or not ,out side o f the 
cor e  a ctions t hat ne e dto  be don e.  The n et  ef fec t ofl ayin g off50% of t ech
p e ople from publ i c tech compan i es m ig h t ev enresult in a  net posi tive fo r t h e
com panie s. No t  for a tech workerli ke me,  so p lease do nottell them. T aking ad vant a ge as much as pos sible  of hypesa nd other  peop le's laz yness isf i ne in my  bo ok.  It  is c er tainly not my d utyfr om theout side to  ed uca terec ru iters and  busines spe op le  wh o mak e  hiringde cis io nson th e  field  – wh en I 
t ri e d,from th e  i n s ide,  t ogent lypo int o ut t h atwhat th ey were t hin k ingdi dnot mak e any sense,Ijust put m ys elf  in ad a ngerousspot. I can be a data
s c ientist , d eep l earn ing engin eer , mach ine learni ng eng ineer ,mac h i ne le a r ni ngre search sci e n tis t, wh at ever  pays m ore and whoever ha s  th e most fun. I f u sing a nRNN in s tea do f a m ore effective a nd efficie nt li near regre s sio ngives m e
moremoney and pre stige, Iwill do i t– as a n I C you eith er go wi th the fl o w
ory ou  arenot  havin ga g ood t ime. T h e v ast m ajorit yof usis no tsaving l ives
anyway.

 
Everyth ing Br eaks,  Al l the Tim e.-  jo shuacc
ht tp:/ /jeff-voge l.b log spot. com / 2011/ 06/e v er yth i ng-br eaks - all-time. h tm l
= = = == =
jng
Thisg u y  is  wron g,p lain a nd s imple. Unforeseea b le bit-copying  err o r s c aus e d
by  c osmic rays and  si mi l a r circum st ances, whic h do exi st ,  prob ably a ccount  for
le s s  t h an a o ne

reureu
I totally_agree, and_wasn't arguing that a_new title_wasn't_necessary. And_I'm
ok_with my downvotes_for that comment_:)

It's just funny that_"Data Scientist" seemed_to_be originally branded as the
more technical/engineer-y version of a data analyst. Now I get_recruiters
contacting_me for_"Data_Scientist"_positions that entirely revolves around_SQL
and excel, and nobody in_the Bay_Area hires "Data Analysts" anymore.

Alright, guess it's time_to_update my LinkedIn_and resume to adjust for this
inflation? Maybe I should_jump up a few inflation levels_and just become_a
"Deep_Learning_Engineer."

~~~
borroka
I do not see_any problem with that. There is_a ton of confusion in the_tech
world regarding labels, who does what, it_is needed or not, outside of_the
core actions that need to_be done._The net effect of laying_off 50% of_tech
people from_public tech companies_might even result in a net_positive for the
companies._Not for a tech worker like_me,_so please do_not_tell_them.

Taking advantage_as much as_possible_of hypes_and_other people's lazyness is
fine in my_book._It is certainly not my duty from_the outside to educate
recruiters_and_business people who make_hiring decisions on the field_– when I
tried, from the inside,_to gently_point out_that what they were thinking did
not make any sense, I just_put myself in a dangerous spot._I can be a_data
scientist, deep_learning_engineer, machine learning_engineer,_machine learning
research_scientist, whatever pays more and whoever has_the most_fun. If using
an RNN instead of_a more effective and_efficient_linear regression gives me
more money and_prestige, I will do it –_as an IC you either_go_with_the flow
or you are not_having a good time. The vast_majority of us_is not saving lives
anyway.

 
Everything Breaks, All_the_Time. - joshuacc
http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/06/everything-breaks-all-time.html
======
jng
This guy is wrong,_plain_and simple. Unforeseeable bit-copying errors caused
by_cosmic_rays_and similar circumstances, which do_exist, probably account for
less than a_one