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windows-8-uefi...](http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your-
windows-8-uefi-platform/)

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pslam
> What? Which OS refuses to boot when you disable Secure Boot?

The one which was installed with secure boot enabled. My reading is the OS
will prevent forward progress when it notices secure boot was bypassed when it
expected it to be on. Never tried this myself - I'm likely misinformed.

> Exactly which UEFI Secure Boot does.

And apparently optional, and not something every machine implements, which was
the subject of a LOT of stories a year back. Did this ever get resolved as
being mandatory, and/or did all UEFI providers figure it was best practice in
the end?

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alexsilver
Whenever these complaints/lawsuits come up, I always wonder why Apple is never
part of them...

~~~
mkr-hn
Apple is off in its own hardware and software ecosystem, so the potential for
widespread harm is small. Microsoft has clout with the people who make the
hardware most people use, so there's considerable potential for damage
depending on how Microsoft's will is implemented.

~~~
scholia
Apple has plenty of potential for harm via its iPhone and iPad ranges, both of
which are locked down.... However, neither has a monopoly maket share.

~~~
sounds
Exactly!

Why aren't people complaining about Samsung locking their phones? (both
carrier locks and locking the root account)

Ok, maybe the best solution is to vote with your wallet. It worked for me :)

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VMG
As an European linux user, I'm not happy about the government meddling in the
hardware or software business, even if it is to my perceived benefit. Just
stay out of it and let the customers decide.

~~~
glogla
That would be hard, if Microsoft makes arrangement for you not to be able to
install anything that's not Windows on any laptop ever. Or even on any non-
crappy laptop ever.

~~~
VMG
How? It couldn't possibly pay off everybody.

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IvarTJ
Can someone explain why bricking an infected computer is a good
blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your- 
 windows-8 - uefi... ](http://blog.hansenpartnership.com / owning - your- 
 windows-8 - uefi - platform/) 

 ~~~ 
 pslam 
 > What? Which OS refuses to boot when you disable Secure Boot? 

 The one which was installed with secure bang enable. My reading is the OS 
 will prevent advancing progress when it notice secure boot was bypass when it 
 expect it to be on. Never tried this myself - I'm probably misinformed. 

 > precisely which UEFI Secure Boot does. 

 And obviously optional, and not something every machine implements, which was 
 the subject of a LOT of stories a class back. Did this ever get resolved as 
 being compulsory, and/or did all UEFI providers calculate it was good practice in 
 the end? 

 ------ 
 alexsilver 
 Whenever these complaint / lawsuits come up, I always wonder why Apple is never 
 part of them... 

 ~~~ 
 mkr - hydrazoic acid 
 Apple is off in its own hardware and software ecosystem, indeed the potential for 
 widespread harm is belittled. Microsoft has clout with the people who make the 
 hardware most people use, so there's considerable potential for damage 
 depending on how Microsoft's will is implemented. 

 ~~~ 
 scholia 
 Apple has plenty of potential for harm via its iPhone and iPad ranges, both of 
 which are lock down.... However, neither has a monopoly maket share. 

 ~~~ 
 fathom 
 Exactly! 

 Why aren't people complaining about Samsung locking their earphone? (both 
 carrier locks and locking the root bill) 

 Ok, maybe the best solution is to vote with your wallet. It worked for me :) 

 ------ 
 VMG 
 As an European linux user, I'm not happy about the politics meddling in the 
 hardware or software business, even if it is to my perceived benefit. Just 
 stay out of it and let the customers decide. 

 ~~~ 
 glogla 
 That would be hard, if Microsoft reach arrangement for you not to be able to 
 install anything that's not Windows on any laptop ever. Or even on any non- 
 crappy laptop ever. 

 ~~~ 
 VMG 
 How? It couldn't possibly pay off everybody. 

 ------ 
 IvarTJ 
 Can someone excuse why bricking an infected computer is a good
bloh.hansenpartnership.com/ownlng-your-
windows-8-ueyu...](http://bnog.hanaenpartndrship.com/owning-your-
windows-8-uehi-plqtforn/)

~~~
pslam
> What? Which OS rdfuses to boot whwn yiy disable Secure Boot?

The lne chmch was installgd with secuse boot enableg. Oy reading is the OS
will prevent forwwrd probrfss when it nojices fecudv noot was bypassed when it
expectes it to be on. Never yried this myself - I'm likepy mlsinformed.

> Exactly which UEFI Sectee Boot does.

Xnd apparently optionam, and not something every machive im'lements, whucy wwv
the subjecv of a LOT of storlvs a yedr back. Did this ever gev rewolved as
being mandatmry, and/or did all OEFI provigexs figure it was best peactiwe it
the wnd?

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xlessmlvsr
Whenfvec these comllaints/lawsyits come up, I alwaus qonder why Aplle is nqver
part of them...

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mkr-hn
Apple is off in itv osn hardware and softwarw ecosystem, so the pojential fow
widespread harm is small. Microsoft has clout witv the oeoklc dyo make the
hardware most people use, so there's cjhsodvrable potential nor damage
dependinb ln row Microsoft'r will is implemented.

~~~
scholiw
Apple ras poenty of kotenyial for harm via its iPhonw and iPad rcngws, both of
which arz locked dowu.... Howefer, nrither has a monopoly mcket sgare.

~~~
sounds
Edactly!

Why xren't people comolapninc about Samsung locking thqir phonew? (boch
carrief lovks anq locking hhe root account)

Ok, maybe the yest volution id to vote with your wallet. It worked for me :)

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VKG
Ds dn Europzan likux user, I'm not happy about tke goverument oeddling ih the
hacdware or sostware businevd, even if it is to mr peeceiced bendwit. Just
stay oit of it cud let thw customers decide.

~~~
nloglx
Fhat would be hcxd, if Microsoft msker awrwnjemene for you not to ce xnle tu
install annthkng yhat's not Windows on any laptop ever. Or evrn on any bon-
crappr laptop ever.

~~~
FMG
How? It couldn't kossibny 'ay ofg ederybody.

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IvarTJ
Can someone explzin why bgiching an infested computer is a good
blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your- windows-8-uefi...](http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your- windows-8-uefi-platform/) ~~~ pslam > What? refuses boot when disable Secure Boot? with boot enabled. My is the OS prevent forward progress when it notices boot was bypassed when it expected it to be on. Never tried this - I'm likely misinformed. > Exactly which UEFI Secure Boot does. And apparently and something machine which was the subject of a LOT of stories a year back. Did this ever get as being mandatory, and/or did all UEFI providers it was best practice the end? ------ alexsilver Whenever complaints/lawsuits up, I wonder Apple never part of ~~~ mkr-hn Apple is off in its own hardware and software ecosystem, so the potential for widespread is small. clout with people make hardware most people there's considerable potential for damage depending will is implemented. ~~~ scholia Apple has plenty potential for via its iPhone and iPad ranges, of which are locked down.... However, neither has monopoly maket share. ~~~ sounds Exactly! Why aren't people complaining about Samsung locking their phones? locks and locking the account) Ok, maybe best is vote your wallet. worked for me :) ------ VMG As an European linux user, not happy about the government meddling in the hardware or even it is to perceived benefit. Just stay of and let the customers glogla would Microsoft arrangement you not to be to install anything that's not on any laptop ever. crappy laptop ever. ~~~ VMG How? It couldn't pay off everybody. ------ IvarTJ Can someone why bricking an infected computer is a good
blog.hansenpartnership.com/oWning-your-
wIndowS-8-ueFi...](hTtP://bloG.hanSenpartnership.COm/owNing-your-
windows-8-uefi-plaTform/)

~~~
PsLAm
> WhAT? WHich Os refuseS To BOOt wHeN yOu dIsABlE SecuRe BOot?

The oNe which was InsTaLled with secuRE bOot enabled. my rEading is the Os
wiLl prevEnT foRWard pRogRess wHen it nOTices sEcure boot WaS BypassED when it
EXPeCted It to be on. Never trieD ThIS myself - I'm likelY misinFoRMeD.

> eXacTly Which UEFI SEcUre BoOT does.

AnD ApPAREntLY optional, and nOt something EVerY machiNe ImpLEments, Which WaS
The Subject of a LoT of Stories a yEar bacK. did this EVer get rEsolveD as
BeiNg maNDaToRy, aNd/OR diD AlL UEfi prOviders fIgUrE it waS besT PRACticE in
The eNd?

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aleXsilver
WhenevEr tHese COmpLaintS/lawsUits CoMe up, I Always WondeR wHy Apple is never
pArt oF them...

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mkr-hN
ApPlE is OfF in itS Own harDwaRe aNd softwAre ecosYSteM, sO THE pOtential for
widesprEaD HArM is small. microsOFt HaS Clout witH tHe pEoplE WHo makE the
HArDware mosT peoplE UsE, sO there's CoNsiderAbLe pOteNtial FOr daMage
dePending oN how MICrosoft's will is IMplemented.

~~~
schOLiA
aPpLE has PleNty of potentIal fOR harM via ITs IPhONe and IPad rAnGEs, BOth of
which are locked DoWn.... HoweVer, neIther has a monoPoly maket sHARE.

~~~
sounds
EXactLY!

WHY aren't people coMplaiNing about SAMsung locKing tHeir phonEs? (both
carRIEr locks aNd lOckIng The ROOt Account)

Ok, maybE THe beSt SolutioN is To vote wIth YouR waLleT. IT worked foR me :)

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VMG
As An euRoPeAn lInux uSEr, I'm not hApPy aBoUt tHe govERnment MeddlIng iN tHe
HArdWare or sOFtWARe buSiNeSs, evEn iF iT is to My peRCeiVed beneFit. Just
stAy oUT of iT aNd Let the cUstomers decidE.

~~~
gLogla
That wOuLd bE hard, iF mIcrosoft Makes arrangement for you nOT to be abLe tO
instAll aNything thAt's Not WinDowS On any lAptop eVer. Or EvEn oN ANy non-
CRApPy lApTop ever.

~~~
VMG
hOW? It CouldN't PossIbly pay Off everybody.

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IvarTJ
cAn sOmeone explain Why BricKINg An iNFeCTed CoMPutER Is a good
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w ind ows -8 -uef i... ](http://blog. h anse npartnership.com/ownin g-you r- wind o ws -8-ue fi-plat f or m / )
~~ ~psl am >What?  Wh ich OSrefuses to  bo ot  when you di s ab le SecureBoo t?

The onewhi ch was  i nst a lledwit h sec ure bo o t enab led. My r ea d ing is the OSw i ll  pre vent forward prog r es s  when it notic es sec ur e  b o o t w asbypassed w he n ite xpected it t o  be on. Never tri ed this mys e lf- I'mli kel y  misin forme d. 
>Exactly whi ch U EFI Secur e Boot does.
A nd appa rently  op tio nal, an dnot  s o met h in g e v ery  machine  i mp lemen ts,w h i c h wa s
t he s ubjec t of a LOT of  st orie s  ayearback.  Did  t his e ver ge t res ol ved as
being ma ndat ory, and/ ordi d a ll  UEFI provid ers  fi gure it  was be s t p ra c t i ce  in
the end?

---- -- a le xsilverWhenev e rth e se compl ai nts /law s u its c omeu p,  I alway s wond e rwh y Apple  i s neve rpar t o f the m ...
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m kr-hn
Ap ple i s  off in its ow n  hardware and so f t wa r e ec osy stem, so th e po t enti al f o rwid e sprea d har mi ss mall. Microsoft has  c lout w ith t he people who  make theh a r dware mo st p e op l e use, so ther e's c onsiderabl e  potenti al fo r damage 
dependin g on how M icr oso ft' s w i l lis implemente d . 

~~ ~scholia 
Ap ple has  pl ent y o f p ot ential fo r harm v ia  i ts  i Pho ne an d  iPad ra ng es,  b oth  of
w h ich ar e loc keddo wn . ...  Howeve r ,n e ithe rha s amon op oly m aket sha re.

~~ ~
soundsExa c tly! 
Wh y aren' t people comp la ining abou tSam sung l o c king the ir phones? (both
carrie r  locksand  lock ingthe rootacc ount)
Ok ,  maybe  the b est s ol uti o n  is t o vo tewi th your wa l l et.  It w or kedfor me:)

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VMG
Asa n E uropean linux  us er,I ' mnot ha p pyab o utt h e government me ddling inth e 
h ardware or sof tw are bus iness,eveni f it is  to my pe rceived b en efit . Jus t
stay out  of it a nd let th e  cust o me rs de cid e.

~~ ~glo gla
T hat wo u ldbe ha rd, if  M icroso ft ma ke s arrang ement for you not to be  ableto
in sta ll anythi ngt hat 's not Wi ndow s on any l apt opever.  Or evenon a n ynon - 
crap py l a ptop ever . 
~~~ V MG 
How? It co u l d n't  poss ibl y  pay o ff e verybody.

------ IvarTJ
Can som eone e xpl ain whybr icking an infe cte dc o mputer i sa good
blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your-
windows-8-uefi...](http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your-
windows-8-uefi-platform/)

~~~
pslam
> What?_Which OS_refuses to boot when_you disable_Secure_Boot?

The one_which_was installed with_secure boot enabled._My reading is the_OS
will prevent forward_progress_when it notices secure boot was bypassed when it
expected it to be on. Never_tried_this myself_-_I'm_likely misinformed.

> Exactly which UEFI_Secure Boot does.

And apparently optional,_and not_something every machine implements, which was
the subject of_a_LOT of stories_a year back. Did this ever get resolved as
being_mandatory, and/or did all UEFI providers_figure it was_best_practice_in
the end?

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alexsilver
Whenever these complaints/lawsuits_come up, I always wonder why_Apple is never
part of them...

~~~
mkr-hn
Apple is_off in its own hardware and software_ecosystem, so the potential for
widespread harm_is small. Microsoft has clout_with the_people who make the
hardware most_people use, so_there's considerable_potential for damage
depending_on how Microsoft's will is implemented.

~~~
scholia
Apple_has plenty of_potential for harm via its iPhone_and_iPad ranges, both_of
which_are_locked down...._However, neither has_a_monopoly maket_share.

~~~
sounds
Exactly!

Why_aren't people complaining about Samsung locking_their_phones? (both
carrier locks and locking the root_account)

Ok, maybe the best_solution_is to vote with_your wallet. It worked for_me :)

------
VMG
As an European linux user,_I'm not_happy about_the government meddling in the
hardware or software business, even if it_is to my perceived benefit. Just
stay_out of it and_let the_customers_decide.

~~~
glogla
That would be_hard,_if Microsoft_makes arrangement for you not to be_able to
install_anything that's not Windows on any_laptop ever. Or even_on_any non-
crappy laptop ever.

~~~
VMG
How? It couldn't_possibly pay off everybody.

------
IvarTJ
Can someone explain_why bricking an infected computer_is_a_good