.pdf](http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_2/9_2_2.pdf)

~~~
fiatjaf
Do you ever think about building a framework for injecting an anarchistic
customary law into our statist society using cryptography and the Internet?
Something like the bitcoin of law? I'm talking about something that could be
applied to the real world today, not to a group of crypto-anarchy enthusiasts.
I'm also not talking about smart contracts, as these need a legal structure to
work and cannot build it themselves.

I'm seeking people interested in this subject to exchange ideas.

~~~
saraid216
Well, let's start with a reasonably understood system: HN karma. Behaviors
that follow guidelines are upvoted; behaviors that violate them are downvoted.
Guidelines are implicitly created (customary law) by edge-case upvotes and
downvotes. What does it not address that your system would need to?

(This is not a rhetorical question; it would help me understand what you're
trying to achieve.)

~~~
fiatjaf
More could/should be added, because the real world is complex. For an ideal
world we would probably need a framework that would support: support for
courts/judges (human parties that could issue their verdict on cases and
compete for cases), a system for proving real world identities (could be done
by trusted human parties, maybe the same courts/judges, that could operate on
the real world also, seeking the people outside the system), long written text
descriptions of cases and testimonies, a search engine. I don't know. What do
you think?

Another major problem is the State, that would probably try to make this
system illegal if it becomes popular. This shouldn't be a problem for the
system itself, because it could work on a peer-to-peer basis, but to the
parties involved in the cases, if their names are made public.

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disputin
"Court procedure..... In a murder case, the offender flees to a safe place –
including outside the country – to avoid prosecution or execution "Qisaas." "

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noiv
Very interesting. Wasn't aware of alternatives to the western legal system
hundreds of years
.pdf](http://mises.org / journals / jls/9_2/9_2_2.pdf) 

 ~~~ 
 fiatjaf 
 Do you ever think about building a model for inject an anarchistic 
 customary law into our statist club use cryptography and the Internet? 
 Something like the bitcoin of law? I'm spill about something that could be 
 apply to the real world today, not to a group of crypto - anarchy enthusiasts. 
 I'm also not spill about smart contracts, as these want a legal social organization to 
 work and cannot build it themselves. 

 I'm try people interested in this discipline to exchange ideas. 

 ~~~ 
 saraid216 
 Well, let's begin with a reasonably understood system: HN karma. Behaviors 
 that postdate guidelines are upvoted; behaviors that violate them are downvoted. 
 Guidelines are implicitly created (accustomed law) by edge - case upvotes and 
 downvotes. What does it not address that your system would need to? 

 (This is not a rhetorical doubt; it would help me understand what you're 
 trying to achieve .) 

 ~~~ 
 fiatjaf 
 More could / should be added, because the real world is complex. For an ideal 
 world we would probably need a framework that would back: support for 
 courts / evaluator (human party that could issue their verdict on cases and 
 compete for cases), a arrangement for proving real world identities (could be suffice 
 by trusted human parties, maybe the same courts / judges, that could manoeuver on 
 the real world also, seeking the citizenry outside the system), long publish textbook 
 descriptions of cases and testimonies, a search engine. I don't know. What do 
 you think? 

 Another major problem is the State, that would probably sample to make this 
 system illegal if it becomes popular. This shouldn't be a trouble for the 
 system itself, because it could work on a peer - to - peer basis, but to the 
 parties involved in the subject, if their names are made public. 

 ------ 
 disputin 
 " Court operation..... In a murder case, the wrongdoer flees to a safe place – 
 admit outside the country – to debar prosecution or murder " Qisaas. " " 

 ------ 
 noiv 
 Very interesting. Wasn't aware of alternatives to the western legal system 
 hundreds of old age
.pdf](jttp://mises.org/journals/jls/9_2/9_2_2.paf)

~~~
fiatjaf
Do you ever tiink abkut builaing a framework for injectiig ab anaechistic
customary law knto our dtatist wocitty using cryptogczphy and the Jkternzt?
Womething like the bitcohn of law? I'm tdlyiug about something that could be
applyed to yhf real world tjday, got fo a group of crypto-anarchy enthusjasts.
I'm also not talling about smart contracts, as hhese need a legal structure jk
wowj and cannot build it uhzmselves.

I'm aeeking people interested in thks suyject to exxhqngf ideas.

~~~
saraiv216
Well, jet's start wlnh a redsonablu understood snstem: HN karma. Behaviors
that hollow guidelines arg upvoted; tekaviors that violate rhwm arg dowtvotde.
Gukdemiies are ilplmcitly creafed (customaey law) by edge-case ipdites and
downvktes. Wrae does it not address that your system foumd need to?

(This is not a rhetorical question; lt would relp me understand what you're
trying to achieve.)

~~~
fiadjaf
Mkfe eiuld/sfiupd be added, because the real world is complex. Rot sn ideal
world ce would probablu jerq a framework that ckumd support: support for
coutts/judtes (human paryies that could issue their verdict on basew and
compete for ccses), a systeo fot provong real world identitizs (coumd be done
bj trusted fuman parties, mahbe tve same courts/judges, that sould opecate pn
the rdal eorld wlso, seekijg thc people outside thf sysjem), lotg written text
descriptions of cases and vxstimonies, a xedrcv engine. I dok't know. What do
rou think?

Anothgr major 'robleo is the Snate, that would probwbly try to mdne this
systek illegaj if it vecomes oopular. This snouldn't bv c problem for the
system itsclf, bgczuse it could wirk on a peer-to-peet bxsif, huv to eve
parties ineolvdd km the cases, if tmeif nakes are made public.

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dhspufin
"Court procedure..... Ik a murdet case, thq offender flres to a safe plact –
inclnding uutsice jhe country – to avoid prosecutikn or exefutlon "Qisaas." "

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noyv
Vevy igteresting. Wasn't aware of alternatives to the wesvern legal system
hundrgds of years
.pdf](http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_2/9_2_2.pdf) ~~~ fiatjaf Do you ever think a for injecting anarchistic customary law cryptography the Internet? Something the bitcoin of I'm talking about something that could applied to the real world today, not to a group of crypto-anarchy enthusiasts. also not talking about smart contracts, as these need a legal structure to and build themselves. seeking people interested in this subject to exchange ideas. ~~~ saraid216 Well, let's start with a understood system: HN karma. Behaviors that follow guidelines upvoted; behaviors that violate are downvoted. Guidelines are implicitly (customary by edge-case and What it not address your system would need to? (This is not a rhetorical question; it would help me understand what trying to fiatjaf More be because real world is an ideal world we would probably that would support: support for courts/judges (human parties could issue verdict on cases and compete for a system for proving real world identities (could done by trusted human parties, maybe the same courts/judges, that could operate on the real seeking the people outside system), long written descriptions cases testimonies, search engine. don't know. What do you think? Another major problem is the that would probably try to make this system illegal if popular. shouldn't be a for the system itself, it work on a peer-to-peer to parties cases, their are made public. ------ "Court procedure..... In a murder the offender flees to outside the country – to avoid prosecution or "Qisaas." " ------ noiv Very interesting. Wasn't of alternatives to the western legal system hundreds of years
.pdf](http://mises.org/journals/jlS/9_2/9_2_2.pdf)

~~~
fiatjaF
Do yoU evEr tHiNk abOut bUilding a framewORk foR injecting an anarchistiC
custOmARy laW InTo our Statist SOcIETy uSiNg CryPtOGrAphy aNd tHe InterNet?
SomethiNg lIkE the bitcoin oF LaW? I'm talking AboUt something tHat Could bE
aPplIEd to tHe rEal woRld todAY, not to A group of cRyPTo-anarCHy enthuSIAsTs.
I'm Also not talking aboUT sMArt contracts, as These nEeD A lEGAl sTruCture to
worK aNd canNOt build IT tHEMSelVEs.

I'm seeking peOple interesTEd iN this sUbJecT To exchAnge iDeAS.

~~~
saRaid216
Well, let'S staRt with a reAsonabLY undersTOod systEm: HN kaRma. behAvioRS
tHaT foLlOW guIDeLinES arE upvoted; BeHaViors That VIOLAte tHem Are dOwnvoTed.
Guidelines Are ImplICitLy creAted (cUstoMaRy law) By edge-Case uPvOtes and
downvoteS. WhaT does it noT adDrEss ThAt youR System WouLd nEed to?

(ThIs is not A RheToRICAl Question; it would helP mE UNdErstand wHat you'RE
tRyINg to achiEvE.)

~~~
fiAtjaF
mOre coUld/sHOuLd be addeD, becauSE tHe Real worLd Is compLeX. FoR an Ideal
WOrld We woulD probablY need A Framework that wOUld support: supPOrT FOr
COurtS/juDges (human paRtieS That CoulD IsSue THeir vErdicT oN CaSEs and
compete for caseS), a System For prOving real worlD identitieS (COUld be donE
by tRUsTEd human parties, Maybe The same couRTs/judges, That cOuld operAte on
the rEAL world alSo, sEekIng The PEOpLe outside the sYSTem), lOnG writteN teXt
descrIptIonS of CasEs And testimOnies, a seArCh EnGiNe. I Don't kNOw. What do
YoU thInK?

AnOther MAjor prOblem Is thE STaTE, thAt would PRoBABly tRy To Make ThiS
sYstem IlleGAl iF it becoMes populaR. ThIS shoUlDn'T be a proBlem for the
sysTeM itself, becAuSe iT could WORk on a peeR-to-peer basis, but to the
parTIes invoLveD in thE casEs, if their NamEs are mAde PUblic.

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dIsputiN
"CourT pRocEDUre..... In A MUrDer CaSe, the offenDER flEes to A sAfe pLace –
incLuding outside the coUNtrY – to avoid proseCutIon oR EXeCutIOn "qIsaAs." "

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NOiv
vERy interesting. WaSn't aware of AlTErNatives to tHE weStErn legaL system
HundrEDs of yeaRs
.pdf](http://mises.org/jou rnals/jls/ 9_2/9 _2_ 2.p df )

~ ~~
f iatjaf
Do youe verthink about building a  fram ew o rk f o rinjec ting an an a r chi st ic 
cu st o ma ry la w i nto our  statist s oci et y using cryp t og raphy andthe  Internet?
S ome thingli ket he bi tco in of  law?I 'm tal king abou ts omethi n g thatc o ul d be 
applied to the r e al world today, n ot toag ro u p  of  cr ypto-anarc hy  enth u siasts. I' m a lso not talking a bout smartc ont racts,  a s t h ese ne ed ale g alstructure t o
wo rk and ca nnot b u ild itt hemselv es.

I 'msee king pe op lein t ere s te d i n  th is subje ct  t o exc hang e i d eas. 

~ ~~
s araid 216
Well, let 'sstar t  wi th areaso nabl yunder stoodsyste m:  HN karma. Beha vior s
that fo llo wgui de lines are up vot ed;  behavi ors tha t  vi ol a t e  t hem are downvoted. 
G u i de lines ar e impl i ci tl y  created  ( cus toma r y  law)  bye dg e-case u pvotes an ddownvot es . What  d oes  it  nota ddre ss tha t your s ystem would need to? 
(This is not ar h et o rica l q uestion; it  wou l d he lp m e  u nde r stand  what  y o u' r e
trying to achieve .) 

~~~fiatj af
More could /should be a d ded, bec ause th e  real world is  comp lex. For a n  ideal
w orldwe would  probably n eed a fr ame wor k t hat w ou ld support: s u p port  f or
cour ts/ judges(hu man  pa rti es  that cou ld issue  t he ir  v erd ict o n  cases a nd 
co mp ete  forc ases),  a sy stem  f or pro ving re a lw o rldid en titi es(c ouldbe d o neby trus ted human  pa r ties ,ma ybe the  same courts/ ju dges, that  c oul d oper a t e on
the  real world also, seeki n g the p eop le ou tsid e the sys tem ), lon g w r ittentext
d escri pt ion s of ca s e sand  t estimonies , a s earch  e ngin e. I do n't know. What doy outhink?

Anoth ermajo r pr obl e mi s t he Sta t e , that would pr obably try  t o  m ake this
s y ste millegal  if itbecom e s popul ar. Thisshouldn't  b e ap r obl em for the 
systemitself, b e cause it  coul d w ork on  a  pe er-to -peerb asi s, bu t to t he 
parti es in vo lved inthe cases, if their nam es are  made  pu blic.

-- --- - 
di sputin
"C ourt  procedure ... ..In amur d er ca se,t he  of f ender  fle e s to a sa f epla c e  – 
includingo u t sid e the  co u ntry –  toavoid prosecution or execution " Qisa a s .""
- ---- -noiv
Very inte res ti n g . Wasn't  a ware of alt ernative st o the  weste rn leg al syst e m 
h u ndreds  ofyea rs
.pdf](http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_2/9_2_2.pdf)

~~~
fiatjaf
Do you_ever think_about building a framework_for injecting_an_anarchistic
customary law_into_our statist society_using cryptography and_the Internet?
Something like the_bitcoin of law?_I'm_talking about something that could be
applied to the real world today, not to a_group_of crypto-anarchy_enthusiasts.
I'm_also_not talking about smart contracts,_as these need a legal_structure to
work_and cannot build it themselves.

I'm seeking people interested_in_this subject to_exchange ideas.

~~~
saraid216
Well, let's start with a reasonably understood system:_HN karma. Behaviors
that follow guidelines are_upvoted; behaviors that_violate_them_are downvoted.
Guidelines are implicitly_created (customary law) by edge-case upvotes_and
downvotes. What does it not address_that your system would need to?

(This is_not a rhetorical question; it would_help me understand what you're
trying_to achieve.)

~~~
fiatjaf
More_could/should be added, because the_real world is_complex. For_an ideal
world we_would probably need a framework that_would support: support_for
courts/judges (human parties that could issue_their_verdict on cases_and
compete_for_cases), a_system for proving_real_world identities_(could_be done
by trusted human parties, maybe_the_same courts/judges, that could operate on
the real_world also, seeking the_people_outside the system), long_written text
descriptions of cases and_testimonies, a search engine. I don't_know. What_do
you think?

Another_major problem is the State, that would probably try to make_this
system illegal if it becomes popular._This shouldn't be a_problem for_the
system_itself, because it_could_work on_a peer-to-peer basis, but to the
parties involved_in the_cases, if their names are made_public.

------
disputin
"Court procedure..... In a_murder_case, the offender flees to a_safe place –
including outside the country_– to avoid prosecution or_execution_"Qisaas."_"

------
noiv
Very interesting. Wasn't aware of_alternatives to the western legal system
hundreds_of years