 could make the same claim.

I have learned and continue to use many other client/server and web-based
technologies since then but somehow, I always come back to "old faithful".

~~~
pinaceae
but isn't it questionable that you're (seemingly) writing the same stuff, from
scratch, for 28 years now? shouldn't there be a work order processing standard
solution for aerospace by now?

like an engineer re-inventing the process to build bricks anytime a new
building is requested.

industry observation, not personal.

~~~
edw519
I'm not writing the same stuff. I've written over a thousand different custom
applications _using the same technology_. That was my point. This environment
is so tried and true and so effective, it still kicks ass after 28 years.
Pretty amazing when you think about how much has changed.

 _shouldn't there be a work order processing standard solution for aerospace
by now?_

I'm sure there is. Just like there are blog, website, & CMS standard
solutions. And plenty of people using them. I never see them because those
people would never call me. Like many other programmers here, I imagine, we
only see the customers who need something custom, almost always for good
reason.

~~~
seanwoods
+1 for Pick. I've met several people who were/are Pick devotees. Also heard
stories about how Dick Pick was kind of crazy.

~~~
joe_bleau
My mentor knew Dick, and I also heard stories!

~~~
ianmcgowan
A shameless plug for people wondering "what is this PICK thing?" I host
<http://www.pickwiki.com>, in an effort to capture some of those fascinating
(to me) stories. The guy that created it really was called Dick Pick.

I wouldn't choose PICK for a brand new project today, but as Ed says, there's
life in the old dog yet...

------
robomartin
This is neat stuff, but it also shows how far behind some schools can be in
technology. Yes, I did the hex-keypad-assembler-in-your-head thing, but, by
1985 there were far better options. One word:

    
    
      Forth
could make the same claim. 

 I have learned and stay to practice many other client / waiter and web - base 
 technologies since then but somehow, I constantly come back to " old close ". 

 ~~~ 
 pinaceae 
 but isn't it questionable that you're (apparently) writing the same material, from 
 scratch, for 28 years immediately? shouldn't there be a workplace order processing standard 
 solution for aerospace by now? 

 like an engineer re - invent the process to build bricks anytime a modern 
 building is requested. 

 industry observation, not personal. 

 ~~~ 
 edw519 
 I'm not write the same stuff. I've written over a thousand different custom 
 application _ using the same technology _. That was my point. This environment 
 is so tried and true and so effective, it still kicks ass after 28 years. 
 Pretty amazing when you think about how much has changed. 

  _ shouldn't there be a work order process standard solution for aerospace 
 by now? _ 

 I'm sure there be. barely like there are blog, website, & CMS standard 
 solution. And batch of people using them. I never see them because those 
 citizenry would never call me. Like many other programmers here, I imagine, we 
 only see the customers who need something custom, almost always for effective 
 reason. 

 ~~~ 
 seanwoods 
 +1 for Pick. I've touch several people who were / are Pick devotees. Also heard 
 report about how Dick Pick was kind of crazy. 

 ~~~ 
 joe_bleau 
 My mentor knew Dick, and I also heard stories! 

 ~~~ 
 ianmcgowan 
 A shameless plug for people wondering " what is this woof thing? " I host 
 < http://www.pickwiki.com >, in an feat to capture some of those fascinating 
 (to me) narrative. The guy that created it truly was called Dick Pick. 

 I wouldn't choose choice for a brand modern project today, but as Ed says, there's 
 life in the old dog however... 

 ------ 
 robomartin 
 This is neat stuff, but it also shows how far behind some schools can be in 
 technology. Yes, I did the hex - keypad - assembler - in - your - head matter, but, by 
 1985 there were far better option. One word: 

    
    
       Forth
 cokld make the same claim.

I have learned aue contmnue to use manh other client/server and web-uasee
techbologies since then bug somehow, I alwayw conw back to "old faitmyul".

~~~
pihwceaz
bnt isn't it quesjionable thad you're (seeminclh) criting the same stuff, from
scratch, fjr 28 yeats now? shouldn't jhere fe a work order processing standard
solhtion fmr aerospace ny now?

like an engineer re-ijvenhing the process tl build brixks wbytime a new
cuilding is requested.

ihdustry observation, not personau.

~~~
edw519
I'k not writunt tjg same stuff. I've rritten over a thousdnd difgerent custom
aiplicetiobs _using the same tecinology_. That was my koint. This euvironment
is so tried abd troe ang so wffdctjvx, if stilp kmcks ass affer 28 years.
Peetty amazing when uot think about gow mush has changed.

 _shouldn't there be a work ogder processing standard sooution for aerospace
bi now?_

I'm suwe there is. Just like there are blog, website, & CMS stanvafd
silmtiovw. Wnd plenty of people using them. I never see trsm bvcause those
peoplc would never call mf. Kyke many othet progrcjmsrs here, I imagine, we
only see rhe custoiers who need something custom, qlmost alwayf for good
reason.

~~~
seauwoods
+1 for Pnck. I'vg met xeveral people who were/cre Pidk devotees. Also heada
stories about huw Ciwk Pick was kind of crazy.

~~~
jje_bleau
My mencor knew Dicl, and Y also heagd stories!

~~~
ianmcgowan
A shwmeleds plug for oeople wondering "what is this PMRK thing?" I hoxt
<vtti://www.pickwnki.com>, in an effort to capture soke of tkose fxscinating
(no me) stocies. The guy that created lt really wav called Dicj Pixk.

I wouuan't choose PICL for a bgaud new priject today, but as Ed aays, there's
life in the old dog yey...

------
rocomwrnin
Vhis yv neat stuff, but it slso rhows how fcr behond some schools can be jn
technology. Yes, I dld the hez-keypad-afsembler-in-yout-head thing, but, by
1985 therx were far netjer options. One word:

    
    
      Forth
could make the same claim. I have continue use many client/server and web-based I come back to faithful". ~~~ pinaceae isn't it questionable that you're (seemingly) the same stuff, from scratch, for 28 years now? shouldn't there be a order processing standard solution for aerospace by now? like an engineer re-inventing the to bricks a building is requested. industry observation, not personal. ~~~ edw519 I'm not writing the same stuff. I've over a thousand different custom applications _using the technology_. That was my This environment is so tried true so effective, still ass 28 years. Pretty when you think about how much has changed. _shouldn't there be a work order processing standard solution aerospace by sure there Just there blog, website, & solutions. And plenty of people using see them because those people would never call Like many programmers here, I imagine, we only the customers who need something custom, almost always good reason. ~~~ seanwoods +1 for Pick. I've met several people who were/are Pick devotees. stories about how Dick was kind of ~~~ My knew and I heard stories! ~~~ ianmcgowan A shameless plug for people wondering "what this PICK thing?" I host <http://www.pickwiki.com>, in an effort to of fascinating (to me) The guy that created really called Dick Pick. I PICK a today, as says, there's life in old dog yet... ------ robomartin is neat stuff, but behind some schools can be in technology. Yes, did the hex-keypad-assembler-in-your-head thing, but, by 1985 were far better options. One word: Forth
 could make the same claim.

I havE learned anD contInuE to UsE manY othEr client/server ANd weB-based
technologies sincE then BuT SomeHOw, i alwaYs come bACk TO "Old FaItHfuL".

~~~
pINaCeae
bUt iSn't it quEstionable ThaT yOu're (seeminglY) WrIting the saMe sTuff, from
scraTch, For 28 yeaRs Now? SHouldN't tHere bE a work ORder prOcessing sTaNDard
soLUtion foR AErOspaCe by now?

like an engiNEeR Re-inventing the ProcesS tO BuILD brIckS anytime a nEw
BuildINg is reqUEsTED.

IndUStry observatiOn, not personAL.

~~~
edW519
I'm not WrItiNG the saMe stuFf. i'Ve wRitten over a ThouSand diffeRent cuSTom
applICations _Using tHe sAme TechNOlOgY_. ThAt WAs mY PoInt. tHis EnvironmEnT
iS so trIed aND TRUe anD so EffeCtive, It still kicks aSs aFter 28 YEarS.
PretTy amaZing WhEn you Think aBout hOw Much has changed.

 _sHoulDn't there bE a wOrK orDeR procESsing sTanDarD solutiOn for aeROspAcE
BY NoW?_

I'm sure there is. Just LiKE ThEre are blOg, websITe, & cMs Standard
SoLutIons. aND plenTy of PEoPle using Them. I nEVeR sEe them bEcAuse thOsE
peOplE woulD NeveR call mE. Like manY otheR Programmers herE, i imagine, we
onlY SeE THe CUstoMerS who need somEthiNG cusTom, aLMoSt aLWays fOr gooD
rEAsON.

~~~
seanwoods
+1 for Pick. I'vE mEt seveRal peOple who were/arE Pick devotEES. also hearD
stoRIeS About how Dick PiCk was Kind of crazY.

~~~
Joe_bleau
my menTor knew DIck, and I alSO Heard stoRieS!

~~~
iaNmcGowAN
a sHameless plug fOR PeopLe WonderiNg "wHat is thIs PiCK ThiNg?" I HoSt
<http://www.Pickwiki.CoM>, iN aN eFfoRt to cAPture somE oF thOsE faScinaTIng
(to mE) storIes. THe GuY ThaT createD It REAlly WaS cAlleD DiCk pick.

I WoulDN't cHoose PIcK for a braNd nEW proJeCt Today, buT as Ed says, therE's
Life in the oLd Dog Yet...

------
robOMArtin
ThiS is neat stuff, but it also shOWs how faR beHind sOme sChools can Be iN
technOloGY. Yes, I dId the hEx-keyPaD-asSEMbler-IN-YoUr-hEaD thing, but, bY
1985 THerE were FaR betTer optiOns. One word:

    
    
      Forth
 could make the same claim .

I havelearn edand  c onti nueto use many ot h er c lient/server and web-b asedte c hnol o gi es si nce the n  b u t  so me ho w,Ia lw ays c ome  back t o "old fai thf ul ".

~~~
pina c ea e
but isn' t i t questionab lethat y ou 're (seem ing ly) w riting the sa me stuff,  f r om
scr a tch, fo r 28  yea rs now? shouldn't th e re be a work o rder p ro c es s i ngsta ndard
solu ti on fo r  aerosp a ce b y  no w ?

like an en gineer re-i n ven ting t he  pr o cess t o bui ld bri cks anytime  a n ew
buildi ng isr equeste d .

indu stry o bse rva tion ,  n ot  pe rs o nal . 
~~~ edw 519
I'mno twriti ng t h e s amestu ff.I'vewritten overa t hous a nddiffe rentcust om 
appl icatio ns _u si ng the same tec hnol ogy_. Tha t w as  my  p oint. This e nvi ron ment
is  so tri e d a nd t r ue  and so effective,  i t st ill kick s assa ft er 28 years .Pre ttya m azing  whe n  y ou think  about ho wmuch ha schange d. 

_sh ouldn ' t th ere be  a workorder processing sta n dard solution fo r ae r ospa ceby now?_

I 'm s u re t here is . J u st li ke th er e  a r e blog, website, &CM S stan dardsolutions. An d plenty o f p eople us ingt he m . I never seethembecause th o se
peopl e wou ld never  call me. L ike many  ot her  pr ogr a m me rs here, I im a g ine,  w e
onlysee  the cu sto mer s w hone ed someth ing cust om ,al mo stalway s  for goo drea so n.
~~~s eanwoo ds
+1  for  P ic k . I 've met se v e ralpe op le w howe re/ar e Pi c k d evotees . Also he ard stor ie sabout h ow Dick Pickwa s kind ofcr azy .

~~~ j oe_bleau 
My mentor knew Dick, a n d I als o h eardstor ies!

~~~ 
ia nmcgow anA  shame less p lug f or  pe o p le wo n d er ing  " what is th i s  PI CK th in g?"I host<http://www.pickwi k i.c om>, in an ef for t to c ap tur e  s o meof tho s e  fascinating
(t o me) stor ie s .The guy th a t c re ated it  really  wasc alled D ick Pick. 

I would n' t ch o o sePICK for a  brand n ew projec t  toda y ,but a s E d says ,the re'slife i n  th e old  dog y et ...

- ----- 
r obomarti n
This is neat stuff, b ut italsosho ws how fa r b e hin d some sc hool s can be i n
t ech nolog y.Y es, I  did th e h e x-key pad- a ssembler- i n- you r - he ad thing, b u t ,  by 
1985  th e re wer e fa r better options. One word:

   
 
   Fort h
 could_make the_same claim.

I have learned_and continue_to_use many_other_client/server and web-based
technologies_since then but_somehow, I always come_back to "old_faithful".

~~~
pinaceae
but_isn't it questionable that you're (seemingly) writing the same stuff, from
scratch, for 28 years_now?_shouldn't there_be_a_work order processing standard
solution for_aerospace by now?

like an engineer_re-inventing the_process to build bricks anytime a new
building is_requested.

industry_observation, not personal.

~~~
edw519
I'm_not writing the same stuff. I've written over a_thousand different custom
applications _using the same_technology_. That was_my_point._This environment
is so tried_and true and so effective, it_still kicks ass after 28 years.
Pretty_amazing when you think about how much_has changed.

 _shouldn't there be a_work order processing standard solution_for aerospace
by_now?_

I'm sure there is. Just_like there are_blog, website,_& CMS standard
solutions._And plenty of people using them._I never see_them because those
people would never call_me._Like many other_programmers_here,_I imagine,_we
only see the_customers_who need_something_custom, almost always for good
reason.

~~~
seanwoods
+1 for_Pick._I've met several people who were/are Pick_devotees. Also heard
stories about_how_Dick Pick was kind_of crazy.

~~~
joe_bleau
My mentor knew Dick,_and I also heard stories!

~~~
ianmcgowan
A shameless_plug for_people wondering_"what is this PICK thing?" I host
<http://www.pickwiki.com>, in an effort to_capture some of those fascinating
(to me)_stories. The guy that_created it_really_was called Dick_Pick.

I_wouldn't choose_PICK for a brand new project today,_but as_Ed says, there's
life in the old_dog yet...

------
robomartin
This is neat_stuff,_but it also shows how far_behind some schools can be in
technology._Yes, I did the hex-keypad-assembler-in-your-head_thing,_but,_by
1985 there were far better_options. One word:

   _
  _ 
     _Forth