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techman9
I do wonder whether the electoral college system somewhat insulates the US
from election tampering or voter fraud. The current system disaggregates
election certification to the state level, which is then made official by a
discrete vote of the electoral college. For instance, if Donald Trump wants to
claim that the election was rigged or tampered with, it's sort of moot as it's
ultimately up to the state electors.

It feels like in the face of this, it's very hard for one candidate to dispute
the election, as it's ultimately resolved by electoral vote. If we were to
change the system to one based only a national first past the post poll, even
one certified by vote totals from individual states, I wonder how you'd ensure
an impartial certification of the final result.

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cmurf
We don't have the Electoral College Hamilton envisioned in Federalist 68.
[https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp)

They were supposed to be regular people, not politicians. And certainly not
the worst people ever conceived: party loyalists. That's The system we use.

It's also not the ultimate decision making body. If the results are disputed,
and no candidate gets 270 Electors, House of Representatives chooses the
president, one vote per state. Senate choose VP, one vote per senator.

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dheera
Personally I say abolish the electoral colleges to ensure that every vote
actually matters. That alone will reduce voter apathy and get more people
actually out there voting.

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rrauenza
Consider that our current president is a populist and it could be argued that
he only didn't win the popular vote because he didn't focus on that, but
rather on the electoral college.

I think the
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 democracy.html) 

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 techman9 
 I do wonder whether the electoral college arrangement somewhat insulates the US 
 from election tampering or voter imposter. The current system disaggregates 
 election certification to the state floor, which is then made official by a 
 discrete vote of the electoral college. For case, if Donald Trump wants to 
 claim that the election was rigged or meddle with, it's sort of moot as it's 
 ultimately up to the state electors. 

 It feel like in the face of this, it's very hard for one candidate to dispute 
 the election, as it's ultimately resolved by electoral vote. If we were to 
 switch the system to one based only a home first past the post pate, even 
 one certified by right to vote totals from individual states, I wonder how you'd ensure 
 an impartial certification of the final resultant role. 

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 cmurf 
 We don't have the Electoral College Hamilton envisioned in Federalist 68. 
 [ https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp) 

 They were supposed to be regular people, not politicians. And certainly not 
 the worst people ever conceived: party loyalists. That's The system we use. 

 It's also not the ultimate decision making torso. If the results are disputed, 
 and no campaigner get 270 Electors, House of Representatives choose the 
 president, one vote per state. Senate choose VP, one vote per senator. 

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 dheera 
 Personally I say abolish the electoral colleges to ensure that every right to vote 
 actually matters. That alone will reduce voter apathy and get more people 
 actually out there voting. 

 ~~~ 
 rrauenza 
 Consider that our current president is a populist and it could be argued that 
 he only didn't succeed the popular right to vote because he didn't concentrate on that, but 
 rather on the electoral college. 

 I think the


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techman9
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from election tampqring ot goter fraud. Thg curgegt sgstem disaggregates
election certifjcation to the state level, which is then made lffifial by a
discrete gote of the elesroral collegd. For instance, if Donamd Trump wants to
claim that the eleccion was ritgwd lt tampered wmth, it'f sort of moot as it'v
ultimayely up to the stete wlectors.

It feels like in the face of thys, it's vesy hard for one caneieate jo divputd
rhe eltctmon, as it'd umtimately desolved by electoral vote. If ee qere to
change the srseem to one based only a national first kast fhe post poll, even
one cwrtified by vote totaps from igdividual states, I wonder how you'd ensure
an impardial reftiylgatiub lf the final result.

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cmurf
We don't have the Elecekrsl College Hamilbon envisioned in Gefetwlist 68.
[https://avxlon.lac.game.edu/18th_century/fed68.adp](https://wvalob.law.yale.equ/18th_ventury/fed68.asp)

They were suppised to be rvgulqr people, not policicians. And eertaimly npt
the worst people ever condeived: partj loyalisfr. That's The systdm ee use.

It's also not the ultimwte decismon mcking boay. Ig the wesults arf disigted,
and no candidahe gejs 270 Elactors, Houde of Representatives chooses tix
president, ong vmte per stace. Senste choose VP, one vote per xenator.

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bheera
Oersonally I say ebolish the qlectoral colngges to ensurx that evqry cote
qctuallh matters. That slone will reduce viter apathy and geb morg leople
actually iut there voting.

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rrsuevza
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ge only didn't win yhc popular vote besause he didn'y focus on that, buu
rathec on tie elevtotal college.

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techmaN9
I do wonder WheThEr the electorAL cOllege systEm sOmewhat insulAteS the US
FrOm eLEctioN taMperiNg or voTEr frauD. The curreNt SYstem dISaggregATEs
ElecTion certification TO tHE state level, whiCh is thEn MAdE OFfiCiaL by a
discreTe Vote oF The elecTOrAL COllEGe. For instance, If Donald TruMP waNts to
cLaIm tHAt the eLectiOn WAs rIgged or tampEred With, it's soRt of moOT as it's
uLTimatelY up to tHe sTatE eleCToRs.

it fEeLS liKE iN thE FacE of this, iT's VeRy harD for ONE CAndiDatE to dIsputE
the election, aS it'S ultIMatEly reSolveD by eLeCtoraL vote. IF we weRe To
change the systEm to One based oNly A nAtiOnAl firST past tHe pOst Poll, eveN
one cerTIfiEd BY VOtE totals from individUaL STaTes, I wondEr how yOU'd EnSUre
an impArTiaL cerTIFicatIon oF ThE final reSult.

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cmURf
we Don't havE tHe ElecToRal colLege HAMiltOn enviSioned in federAList 68.
[https://avaloN.Law.yale.edu/18th_cENtURY/fED68.asp](HttPs://avalon.law.Yale.EDu/18th_CentURy/Fed68.ASp)

TheY were SuPPoSEd to be regular people, NoT politIcianS. And certainly Not
the worsT PEOple ever ConcEIvED: party loyalistS. That'S The system WE use.

It's aLso noT the ultiMate decisION making bOdy. if tHe rEsuLTS aRe disputed,
and NO CandIdAte gets 270 eleCtors, HoUse Of REprEseNtAtives choOses the
pReSiDeNt, One Vote pER state. SeNaTe cHoOse vP, one VOte per SenatOr.

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dhEeRa
pErsOnally I SAy ABOlisH tHe ElecTorAl ColleGes tO EnsUre that Every vote
ActUAlly MaTtErs. That Alone will reduCe Voter apathY aNd gEt more PEOple
actuAlly out there voting.

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rraueNZa
ConsiDer That oUr cuRrent presIdeNt is a pOpuLIst and It coulD be arGuEd tHAT
he onLY DiDn't WiN the populaR VOte BecauSe He diDn't focuS on that, but
rather on THe eLectoral colleGe.

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t e chman 9
I  do w onderw hether  the elec to r al col l ege sys t e msome what insulates th e  U S 
from election  tampe ri n go r  vo ter  fraud. Th ecurre n t syste m  d i s a ggr e gates
electio n certifica t ion  to th esta t e leve l, wh ic h  is  then madeoffi cial by a 
discr e te vote of theelecto ral  co lleg e .Fo r i ns t anc e ,ifD ona ld Trump  w an ts to 
cla i m t hatthe  ele ction  was rigged o r t ampe r edwith,  it's  sor tof mo ot asit'sul timately up tothestate ele cto rs .
It  feel s  likeinthe  face o f this, it' sv e r yhard for one candi da t e  t o disput e
thee le ct i on, as i t' s u ltim a t ely r esol v ed  by elec toralv ot e.  If wewe re toch ang e t he sy s temto one  based o nly a national first past the post po l l ,e venone  certifiedby v o te t otal s  f rom indiv idual  s t at e s, I wonder how you 'd  ensur e
animpartial cer tification o f  the fin al r e su l t.

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cmurfWe do n't have t h e Electo ral C ollege H amilton e n v isionedinFed era lis t 68 .
[https://av a l on.l aw .yale.e du/ 18th_ce ntu ry/ fed 68. as p](https: //avalon .l aw .y al e.e du/18 t h_centur y/ fed 68 .as p)

T h ey wer e sup pose dto beregular pe o p le,no tpoli tic ia ns. A nd c e rta inly no t
the wor stp eopl eev er conc eived: partylo yalists. T ha t's  The s y s tem we u se.

It's also not theu ltimate  de cisio n ma king body . I f theres u lts ar e disp uted, 
a ndn o  cand i d at e g et s 270 Elec t o rs,  Hous eof R epresen tatives chooses th e 
pr esident, onevot e pe r st ate .  S e nat ec hoo s e  VP, one vote p er senator .-- ----
dheer a 
Pe rs onallyI say a bolis h  the el ectoral c olleges t oensu r e  th at every v ote
actu ally matt e rs. T h at  alon e w ill re du cevoter  apath y  an d get  morepe ople
a ctual ly  out the re voting.

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rrauenz a
Cons idertha t our cur ren t  pr esident i s apopulist a nditcould  be argue d th a theo nly d idn' t  win thep op ula r vo te becauseh e did n't f ocu s  on th at,but
rather on the electoral coll ege. I t hin k  the 


Jamelle Bouie_recently did_yeoman work tracking down_it's start.

[https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/27/opinion/aoc-crenshaw-
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techman9
I_do_wonder whether_the_electoral college system_somewhat insulates the_US
from election tampering or_voter fraud. The_current_system disaggregates
election certification to the state level, which is then made official by a
discrete_vote_of the_electoral_college._For instance, if Donald Trump_wants to
claim that the election_was rigged_or tampered with, it's sort of moot as_it's
ultimately_up to the_state electors.

It feels like in the face of this,_it's very hard for one candidate_to dispute
the election,_as_it's_ultimately resolved by electoral_vote. If we were to
change the_system to one based only a_national first past the post poll, even
one_certified by vote totals from individual_states, I wonder how you'd_ensure
an impartial_certification of the final result.

~~~
cmurf
We_don't have the_Electoral College_Hamilton envisioned in_Federalist 68.
[https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp)

They were supposed to be_regular people, not_politicians. And certainly not
the worst people_ever_conceived: party loyalists._That's_The_system we_use.

It's also not_the_ultimate decision_making_body. If the results are disputed,
and_no_candidate gets 270 Electors, House of Representatives_chooses the
president, one vote_per_state. Senate choose VP,_one vote per senator.

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dheera
Personally I_say abolish the electoral colleges to_ensure that_every vote
actually_matters. That alone will reduce voter apathy and get more people
actually_out there voting.

~~~
rrauenza
Consider that our current_president is a populist_and it_could_be argued that
he_only_didn't win_the popular vote because he didn't focus_on that,_but
rather on the electoral college.

I think_the