 with
her father over the phone. He was pissed she wouldn't accept a $250,000
deposit into her US account from her uncle's account (his brother) in China.
The goal was to buy a house in the name of her cousin in LA.

~~~
flomo
Majority are likely small-time landlords, local investors, and etc, as it is
very easy to set up an LLC. Also, I wonder if HNers describe their startups as
"anonymous shell companies"?

~~~
anon87123
Honestly property ownership being default-public seems like a weird
anachronism. Why should anyone who has my address be able to tell if I own the
property?

I haven't looked into the exact details as I've never bought a house but from
what I can gather I'd want to wrap it in an LLC.

Also FWIW the Sean Hannity example in the article seems like a weird strawman
conflating consumer protection laws with "name and shame" accountability. If
it's wrong to evict someone for XYZ reason, that should be protected by the
law, not by fear of being "named" as the landlord. [TBC I am no fan of Sean
Hannity.]

~~~
flomo
> Honestly property ownership being default-public seems like a weird
> anachronism

Land registry is a necessary function of local government. But this is one of
those things which was historically only available within a government office,
and now can be found in a second on the internet.

Personally I would be perfectly okay if my local government required
disclosure of the personal ownership of LLC property owners. But I have no
idea if that's constitutional or legal under federal laws.

~~~
ryacko
>But this is one of those things that was historically only available within a
government office

If you want to know where a person lived pre-internet, you looked them up in a
phone book, which is substantially less privacy preserving than looking up the
owner of a house.

Well, post-internet, 2FA has been leaked to advertisers.

~~~
flomo
I was typing something in response, but I think the best advice is advocating
mental health services. Sorry if that violates the rules.

~~~
ryacko
Don't worry
with 
 her father over the phone. He was pissed she wouldn't accept a $ 250,000 
 down payment into her US explanation from her uncle's account (his brother) in China. 
 The goal was to bribe a house in the name of her cousin in LA. 

 ~~~ 
 flomo 
 Majority are likely small - clock time landlords, local investors, and etc, as it is 
 very comfortable to rig up an LLC. Also, I wonder if HNers identify their startups as 
 " anonymous shell party "? 

 ~~~ 
 anon87123 
 Honestly property ownership being default - public seems like a eldritch 
 anachronism. Why should anyone who has my address be able to tell if I own the 
 place? 

 I haven't looked into the exact details as I've never bought a house but from 
 what I can meet I'd want to wrap it in an LLC. 

 Also FWIW the Sean Hannity example in the article seems like a eldritch strawman 
 conflating consumer protection laws with " name and shame " accountability. If 
 it's wrong to evict someone for XYZ rationality, that should be protected by the 
 law, not by fear of being " named " as the landlord. [ TBC I am no fan of Sean 
 Hannity. ] 

 ~~~ 
 flomo 
 > Honestly property ownership being default - public seems like a eldritch 
 > anachronism 

 Land register is a necessary function of local government. But this is one of 
 those things which was historically merely available within a government office, 
 and now can be determine in a second on the internet. 

 Personally I would be perfectly okay if my local government command 
 disclosure of the personal ownership of LLC property owners. But I have no 
 idea if that's constitutional or legal under union laws. 

 ~~~ 
 ryacko 
 > But this is one of those things that was historically only available within a 
 government office 

 If you want to know where a person be pre - internet, you looked them up in a 
 phone book, which is substantially less privacy preserving than look up the 
 owner of a house. 

 Well, post - internet, 2FA has been leaked to advertiser. 

 ~~~ 
 flomo 
 I was typing something in answer, but I think the best advice is preach 
 mental health overhaul. Sorry if that violates the rule. 

 ~~~ 
 ryacko 
 Don't worry
 wihh
her father over the phune. He was pissgd she wmuldn't accept x $250,000
deposit into her US accounv frim hee uncle's account (his bfother) in China.
Thw goel was to buy a ikuse in the nzle oy ier cousin in LS.

~~~
flomo
Majosity are likelf rmcll-time landlords, local investors, anq etc, ax lt is
very easy to xqt ul an LLC. Also, I wonder if HNers deacribe uheir startups as
"amonymous shell companies"?

~~~
anln87123
Hojestly property owjership beibg dqdault-public reems like a weird
anacgronism. Why should anyone who hxs my address bg zbpg to tell if I owg the
propertn?

P haven'd lookec into the exagt devailw as I've never bought a house but from
wrat I can gcther I'd want to wrap ir in dn LNC.

Alri FDIW tie Aean Hwnnmty example in the artucle seems like a wtirq strawman
confmating cjnsumer protection laws with "name and svams" accountability. If
it's qrong to evict someong for XYZ weason, that should be protected by the
law, not by xear kw btikn "naowd" as the landlord. [TBC I am no fan of Sean
Hannieg.]

~~~
fkoko
> Honestly prjperty ownetsjil being defaulj-public sesms like a weird
> ajachronysm

Labd registwy ix a necessary function of lical governmvnt. Vut this is one of
chose things whivh wax historically only avanlable within a glvernment uffice,
and now cav bv fognd in a second on the intqrnet.

Persinalky I wojld ne persectly okaj if my local government requnred
dhsclosure lf the personal ownership of LLR property owmess. Tut I hare no
icea if that's sonstitutional or legcl unddr federal laws.

~~~
ryecko
>But this is one of thmde things thet was hiftorucaloy only xvailable withon a
goveruient office

If you want to inow where a pexrin lived pre-intrrndt, rol lpohad them up it a
pfond book, which is smbsgantoally less privacy psesedving than looking ui the
ownet of a hotse.

Well, post-imternet, 2FA has beej leaned to acvettisers.

~~~
flomo
I was typing somethjng in redpokse, but I thigk tme bgst advice ns advocating
mental health services. Sorrb if that violates the eules.

~~~
ryacko
Don't worty
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 with
her father over the phone. he was pisseD she wOulDn't AcCept A $250,000
depOsit into her US aCCounT from her uncle's account (hIs broThER) in CHInA.
The gOal was tO BuY A HouSe In The NaME oF her cOusIn in LA.

~~~
fLomo
MajoriTy aRe Likely small-tIMe Landlords, lOcaL investors, anD etC, as it iS
vEry EAsy to Set Up an LlC. Also, i Wonder If HNers deScRIbe theIR startuPS As
"AnonYmous shell companiES"?

~~~
aNOn87123
Honestly propErty owNeRShIP BeiNg dEfault-publIc Seems LIke a weiRD
aNACHroNIsm. Why should aNyone who has MY adDress bE aBle TO tell iF I own ThE
ProPerty?

I haven'T looKed into thE exact DEtails aS i've neveR boughT a hOusE but FRoM
wHat i cAN gaTHeR I'd WAnt To wrap it In An lLC.

AlSo FWiw THE SeaN HaNnitY examPle in the articLe sEems LIke A weirD straWman
CoNflatIng conSumer PrOtection laws witH "namE and shame" AccOuNtaBiLity. IF
It's wroNg tO evIct someOne for Xyz reAsON, THaT should be protected By THE
lAw, not by fEar of bEInG "nAMed" as the LaNdlOrd. [Tbc i am no Fan oF seAn
HannitY.]

~~~
flomo
> hOnEsTly propErTy owneRsHip BeiNg defAUlt-pUblic sEems like A weirD
> Anachronism

LanD Registry is a neCEsSARy FUnctIon Of local goveRnmeNT. But This IS oNe oF
Those ThingS wHIcH Was historically only AvAilablE withIn a government Office,
and nOW CAn be founD in a SEcONd on the interneT.

PersOnally I wouLD be perfeCtly oKay if my lOcal goverNMEnt requiRed
DisCloSurE OF tHe personal ownERShip Of lLC propErtY owners. but i haVe nO
idEa If that's coNstitutiOnAl Or LeGal Under FEderal laWs.

~~~
RyaCkO
>BuT this IS one of Those ThinGs ThAT waS historICaLLY onlY aVaIlabLe wItHin a
gOverNMenT office

if you want To kNOw whErE a Person lIved pre-internEt, You looked tHeM up In a
phoNE Book, whicH is substantially less priVAcy presErvIng thAn loOking up thE
owNer of a HouSE.

Well, pOst-intErnet, 2fA Has BEEn leaKED tO adVeRtisers.

~~~
floMO
i waS typiNg SomeThing in Response, but I think tHE beSt advice is advOcaTing
MENtAl hEAlTH seRvICes. sORry if that violatEs the rules.

~~~
RyACkO
Don't worry
 with
her father over thephone. Hewas p iss edsh e wo uldn 't accept a $2 5 0,00 0
deposit into her USaccou nt from he r unc le's ac c ou n t  (h is  b rot he r )in Ch ina .
The g oal was to  bu ya house in t h ename of he r c ousin in LA. 

~ ~~
flo mo 
Ma j ority  ar e lik ely sm a ll-tim e landlor ds ,  local investo r s ,andetc, as it is
ver y  e a sy to set up a n LLC.  A l so , I w ond er if HNer sdescr i be thei r  s t a r tup s  as
"anonymou s shell com p ani es"?
~~ ~
a n on8712 3
Hon es t lyproperty ow ners hip being  defau l t-publi c  seemslike a  we ird 
ana c hr on ism .W hys ho uld any one whoha smy ad dres s b e  abl e t o te ll if  I own the
pr ope rty? 
Ihaven 't lo oked  i nto t he exa ct de ta ils as I've nev er b ought a h ous ebut  f rom
w h at I c angat her I'd  want t o  wr ap i t  i n an LLC.

Also FW IW t he  Sean Ha nnitye xa mp l e in the  a rti cles e ems l ikea  w eird str awmanc on fl ating c on sumerpr ote cti on la w s wi th "na me and s hame" accountability .  If
it's wron g  t o ev i ct s ome one for XYZ  rea s on,that sh oul d  be p rotec te d  b y  the
law, not by fe ar  of be ing " named" as the  landlord. [ T BC I amno f a no f Sean
Hannity .]

~ ~~
flomo
> Honestly  prop erty own ership be i n g defaul t-p ubl icsee m s  l ike a weird
> a nach ro nism

L and  regist ryisa n ece ss ary funct ion of l oc al  g ov ern ment. But this  i s o ne  of 
thos e  thing s whi ch w as  h i sto rically on l y  ava il ab le w ith in  a go vern m ent  office ,
and now  ca n  befo un d in asecond on the  i nternet.
Pe rso nallyI would be  perfectly okay if my l o cal gov ern mentrequ ired
disc los ure of  th e  perso nal ow nersh ip  of L LC pr o p er tyow ners. ButI hav e noid ea i f that' s constitutional o r  le gal under fed era l la w s .
~~ ~ 
r y ack o> But t his is one of t hose thing st ha t was hist o ric al ly only  availa ble w i thin agovernmen t office
I f yo u wan t to knowwhere aperson li v ed pr e -i ntern et,  you l oo ked  them  up in a
p honebook,wh ich is  subs ta ntiallyless privacy preserving  thanlooki ngup the
ow ner ofa house.
Wel l, post-in ter net , 2FA  ha s  been  lea k ed  to adver tise r s.

~~~
f l om o
I w as  typing som e t h ing  in r esp o nse, b ut I  think the best a d vice is advoca ting m ent alh ealt hservices. Sorr y i ft h at viola te s the rules .

~~~
r ya c ko
Do n't wo rry
 with
her_father over_the phone. He was_pissed she_wouldn't_accept a_$250,000
deposit_into her US_account from her_uncle's account (his brother)_in China.
The goal_was_to buy a house in the name of her cousin in LA.

~~~
flomo
Majority are likely_small-time_landlords, local_investors,_and_etc, as it is
very easy_to set up an LLC._Also, I_wonder if HNers describe their startups as
"anonymous shell_companies"?

~~~
anon87123
Honestly_property ownership being_default-public seems like a weird
anachronism. Why should anyone who_has my address be able to_tell if I_own_the
property?

I_haven't looked into the_exact details as I've never bought_a house but from
what I can_gather I'd want to wrap it in_an LLC.

Also FWIW the Sean Hannity_example in the article seems_like a_weird strawman
conflating consumer protection laws_with "name and_shame" accountability._If
it's wrong to_evict someone for XYZ reason, that_should be protected_by the
law, not by fear of_being_"named" as the_landlord._[TBC_I am_no fan of_Sean
Hannity.]

~~~
flomo
>_Honestly property_ownership_being default-public seems like a weird
>_anachronism

Land_registry is a necessary function of local_government. But this is_one_of
those things which was_historically only available within a_government office,
and now can be found_in a_second on_the internet.

Personally I would be perfectly okay if my local government_required
disclosure of the personal ownership of_LLC property owners. But_I have_no
idea_if that's constitutional_or_legal under_federal laws.

~~~
ryacko
>But this is one of those_things that_was historically only available within a
government_office

If you want to_know_where a person lived pre-internet, you_looked them up in a
phone book,_which is substantially less privacy_preserving_than_looking up the
owner of a_house.

Well, post-internet, 2FA has been leaked_to advertisers.

~~~
flomo
I was_typing something in response, but I think_the_best advice is advocating
mental health services._Sorry_if that violates the rules.

~~~
ryacko
Don't worry