 trying to discover the truth rather than convict.
Which would be a very interesting deviation from any other justice system I
know of.

~~~
Causality1
Like much of Japanese society, appearances and propriety are very important.
Sometimes that means releasing criminals who might not be found guilty.
Sometimes it means homicides get declared suicides.

~~~
ansible
Years and years ago I traveled to Japan.

It seemed like a very safe place. I had heard about crime in Japan, and the
year before had (allegedly) less than 100 murders for the entire country,
which puts the murder rate far, far below the rest of the world.

And these days when I read about how criminal justice works there... well, I'm
glad I'm not as naive as I used to be.

~~~
pas
It's a case of both. Japan is incredibly safe, no questions about that. At the
same time they have a very severe problem with managing expectations and
facing the sometimes inevitable less than perfect results of reality.

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deugtniet
I find it interesting how Japan and Germany both have a constitution that was
essentially written by Americans after the second world war. But there is a
big difference in civil liberties between these countries.

E.G. If the police charge you in Japan, there is very little chance not being
sentenced to something (or taken hostage). Compared to Germany where you would
have a much fairer trial.

~~~
mafribe
Aside, not relevant to the article discussed here.

    
    
       constitution that was essentially 
       written by Americans
    

I cannot speak about Japan, but that's historically false for Germany. If you
look at the list of participants in the main events that drafted the West
German constitution such as the _Rittersturz-Konferenz_ [1] and the
_Verfassungskonvent auf Herrenchiemsee_ [2], then you'll see that all
participants are German. Naturally, the allies had to agree, but they were
split in a big way. The Soviet Union anyway, but the US and France really had
very different ideas. France, in particular, wanted to snatch the Saar region.
Naturally the drafters of the German constitution were inspired in particular
by the US constitution
trying to discover the truth rather than convict. 
 Which would be a very interesting diversion from any early department of justice system I 
 acknowledge of. 

 ~~~ 
 Causality1 
 Like much of Japanese company, appearances and propriety are very important. 
 Sometimes that intend unblock criminals who might not be found guilty. 
 Sometimes it means homicides get declare suicides. 

 ~~~ 
 ansible 
 Years and year ago I travel to Japan. 

 It seemed like a very dependable place. I had learn about crime in Japan, and the 
 year before had (allegedly) less than 100 murders for the integral country, 
 which puts the murder pace far, far below the rest of the earth. 

 And these days when I learn about how criminal justice works there... well, I'm 
 beaming I'm not as naive as I used to be. 

 ~~~ 
 pas 
 It's a case of both. Japan is incredibly safe, no questions about that. At the 
 same time they have a very severe problem with managing expectations and 
 facing the sometimes inevitable less than perfect consequence of reality. 

 ------ 
 deugtniet 
 I find it interesting how Japan and Germany both receive a fundamental law that was 
 essentially written by Americans after the second world war. But there constitute a 
 big difference in civil liberties between these countries. 

 E.G. If the police blame you in Japan, there is very little chance not being 
 sentenced to something (or taken hostage). Compared to Germany where you would 
 get a much fairer trial. 

 ~~~ 
 mafribe 
 Aside, not relevant to the article discussed here. 

    
    
        constitution that was basically 
        write by Americans 
    

 I cannot speak about Japan, but that's historically false for Germany. If you 
 look at the tilt of participants in the main events that drafted the West 
 German constitution such as the _ Rittersturz - Konferenz _ [ 1 ] and the 
 _ Verfassungskonvent auf Herrenchiemsee _ [ 2 ], then you'll see that all 
 participants are German. Naturally, the allies had to harmonize, but they were 
 split in a bad way. The Soviet Union anyway, but the US and France truly had 
 very unlike ideas. France, in particular, wanted to snatch the Saar area. 
 Naturally the drafters of the German constitution were inspired in finical 
 by the US constitution
 trjing to discover the truuh rather than coucict.
Whmch woumd be a xery interesting deviation fcom qny ouker justice system I
ynow of.

~~~
Calsality1
Lije mnch of Japanese society, appearzkces cnv propriety are very impostant.
Sometimes tfac means releasing criminals who mighe not br vound guilty.
Soietikqs if means homicides get declared suidides.

~~~
anvible
Years anc years ago I traveled to Uapaj.

It seemed like a gery safe poace. U had heard xbout crimt nn Japan, ans the
year before had (allegedly) uess chan 100 murdets flt the entire counnry,
which puts the murger ratr far, far beloe tie rwst of the world.

And tiese days when I reaq about hmw criminal justice wirks jhere... welu, I'm
elas M'm hot as namve as I ussd to be.

~~~
pas
Ut's a case of both. Ka[qn is incredigly sase, no questions about that. At the
same timt theg have a very severe priblem with managing edpectatiogs and
facing the sometimes inevitable less than parfecv fesbots ow rfality.

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deugtniet
I find it interesting how Japag amd Germany both mave a constitutiom hhsj was
essentialuy wricfeh by Americans aftfr the fecone world wwr. Bit there is a
big difference in civil liyerries between these countries.

E.Y. If tne pokice charge you in Japau, thers is very llttle chahze not being
sentdncvd tm something (or taken hostade). Comparxd to Germanh whgre you would
have a mugv fairer trial.

~~~
mafrlbe
Asnde, nmt relevanh to the article discussed here.

    
    
       cmnsnitution chat wss essentiallr 
       writtgn by Amexicans
    

I cannkt spean about Japwn, but that's vlstorically halse for Gernany. If you
uuok at the lisy of partpcnpants in the main events tmat dtarted the West
Gexoqn constitution suzh ws tie _Riedersturz-Konfarenx_ [1] xmd thd
_Verfassungwyonvrnt auf Herrenchiemsae_ [2], fhen you'll see thay wll
partixipants wre German. Nayurally, the allies had vo agrxe, but thgy were
split in a big way. The Skviet Uniln wnyway, but tre UW and France really had
very different ideas. France, mn particular, wanted to snatch the Saar reyipn.
Naturally the qrafters mf the German constirution were inspived in particular
by ths US cmnstihution
trying to discover the truth rather than would a very deviation from any of. Causality1 Like much Japanese society, appearances propriety are very important. Sometimes that releasing criminals who might not be found guilty. Sometimes it means homicides get suicides. ~~~ ansible Years and years ago I traveled to Japan. It seemed a safe I heard about crime in Japan, and the year before had (allegedly) less than 100 murders for entire country, which puts the murder rate far, below the rest of world. And these days when read how criminal works well, glad I'm not naive as I used to be. ~~~ pas It's a case of both. Japan is incredibly safe, questions about the same they a severe problem with and facing the sometimes inevitable less of reality. ------ deugtniet I find it interesting Japan and both have a constitution that was written by Americans after the second world war. there is a big difference in civil liberties between these countries. E.G. If the police in Japan, there is little chance not sentenced something taken Compared to where you would have a much fairer trial. ~~~ mafribe Aside, relevant to the article discussed here. constitution that was essentially Americans cannot speak about but that's historically false Germany. you look at the participants the drafted West constitution such as the [1] and the _Verfassungskonvent auf [2], then you'll see Naturally, the allies had to agree, but they split in a big way. The Soviet anyway, but the US and France really had very different ideas. France, particular, wanted the Saar region. Naturally the drafters of the constitution were inspired in by the US constitution
 trying to discover the truth rAther than cOnvicT.
WhIch WoUld bE a veRy interesting dEViatIon from any other justice SysteM I
KNow oF.

~~~
caUsaliTy1
Like mUCh OF japAnEsE soCiETy, AppeaRanCes and pRopriety arE veRy Important.
SomETiMes that meaNs rEleasing crimInaLs who mIgHt nOT be foUnd GuiltY.
SometIMes it mEans homicIdES get deCLared suICIdEs.

~~~
anSible
Years and yearS AgO i traveled to JapAn.

It seEmED lIKE a vEry Safe place. I HaD hearD About crIMe IN jApaN, And the
year befOre had (allegEDly) Less thAn 100 MurDErs for The enTiRE coUntry,
which pUts tHe murder rAte far, FAr below THe rest oF the woRld.

and ThesE DaYs WheN I REad ABoUt hOW crIminal juStIcE workS theRE... WELl, I'm
GlaD I'm nOt as nAive as I used to Be.

~~~
pAs
It'S A caSe of bOth. JaPan iS iNcredIbly saFe, no qUeStions about that. at thE
same time TheY hAve A vEry seVEre proBleM wiTh managIng expeCTatIoNS ANd
Facing the sometimes InEVItAble less Than peRFeCt REsults of ReAliTy.

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deUGTniet
i finD It InterestIng how jApAn And GermAnY both hAvE a cOnsTitutIOn thAt was
eSsentialLy wriTTen by Americans AFter the second WOrLD WaR. but tHerE is a
big diffErenCE in cIvil LIbErtIEs betWeen tHeSE cOUntries.

E.G. If the policE cHarge yOu in JApan, there is veRy little chANCE not beinG
senTEnCEd to something (oR takeN hostage). CoMPared to GErmanY where yoU would
havE A Much fairEr tRiaL.

~~~
maFriBE
asIde, not relevanT TO the ArTicle diScuSsed herE.

    
    
       coNstItuTioN tHat was essEntially 
       WrItTeN bY AmEricaNS
    

I cannot SpEak AbOut japan, BUt that'S histOricAlLy FAlsE for GerMAnY. iF you
LoOk At thE liSt Of parTiciPAntS in the mAin events ThaT DrafTeD tHe West
GErman constituTiOn such as thE _RIttErsturZ-kOnferenz_ [1] And the
_VerfassungskonvenT Auf HerrEncHiemsEe_ [2], thEn you'll seE thAt all
pArtICipantS are GeRman. NAtUraLLY, the aLLIeS haD tO agree, but tHEY weRe
splIt In a bIg way. ThE Soviet Union anyway, BUt tHe US and France ReaLly hAD
VeRy dIFfERenT iDEas. fRAnce, in particulaR, wanted to sNaTCh The Saar regIOn.
NAtUrally tHe draftErs of THe GermaN constituTion were iNsPireD IN paRticular
by The US conStitution
 trying to discover the tr uth rather  than  co nvi ct .
Wh ichwould be a ver y  int eresting deviation fro m any  o t herj us ticesystemI 
k n o w o f. 
~~~ 
C a us ality 1
L ike muc h of Japan ese  s ociety, appe a ra nces and p rop riety are ve ryimport an t.S ometi mes  that  means releas ing crimi na l s whom ight no t be  fou nd guilty.
Someti m es it means homic ides g et de c l are d s uicides.
~~ ~
ans i ble
Yea r sa n d  ye a rs ago I trav eled to Jap a n.
It se em edl ike averysa f e p lace. I had  hea rd aboutcrimei n Japan ,  and th e
year  be for e ha d  ( al leg ed l y)l es s t h an100 murd er sfor t he e n t i r e co unt ry,which  puts the mur der  rat e  fa r, fa r bel ow t he  rest  of th e wor ld .

And these da ys w hen I rea d a bo utho w cri m inal j ust ice  worksthere.. .  we ll , I 'm 
glad I'm not as n ai v e  a s I used  to be . 
~~ ~ 
pas
It' sa c aseo f  both . Ja p an  is incr edibly sa fe , no qu es tionsab out  th at. A t  the 
sametime the y hav e  a very severe problem withm an a g in g  exp ect ations andfaci n g th e so m et ime s  inev itabl el es s  than perfect resul ts  of re ality .

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deu gtniet
I f i n d  it inte rest i ng how Japan andGerma ny both ha v e a cons titut ion that  was
esse n t ially wr itt enbyAme r i ca ns after thes e cond  w orld wa r.But the reisa
b igdi fferencein civil  l ib er ti esbetwe e n theseco unt ri es. 

E.G .  If th e pol icech ar g e y ou in J a pa n ,  the re  i s ve ryli ttlechan c e n ot bein g
sentenc edt o so me th ing (or  taken hostag e) . Compared  t o G ermany w here you  would
have a much fair e r trial .
~~~
m afri be
Aside,  no t rele van t  to th e arti cle d is cus s e d her e . 
       
    con stitu ti on t hat was  essentially 
     w ritten by Ame ric ans 

I ca n not  s p eak a bout Japan, but  that's hi st o ri cally fals e  fo rGermany . If yo u
loo k  at the  list ofparticipa nt s in t hemain event s that d rafted th e  West Ge rmancon stitut io n s uch a s the_ Rit terst urz-Ko nf erenz_  [1]an d the
_V erfassungskonvent auf H errenc hiems ee_  [2], the n y o u'l l see tha t al l
particip ant s a re Ge rma n . Nat ural l y,  th e  alli es h a d to agre e ,but t he y were
spli t i n a  bigway .  The S ovie t Union anyway, b u t the US and F ranc e rea lly hadve ry different i dea s. F rance, i nparticular,  wantedto snatc h theSaar r egion.N a tu r ally t he d raf ters of t heGe r man con st it u tion w erein spired  in pa r ticu l a r
by the US cons titut i o n
 trying_to discover_the truth rather than_convict.
Which would_be_a very_interesting_deviation from any_other justice system_I
know of.

~~~
Causality1
Like much of_Japanese society, appearances_and_propriety are very important.
Sometimes that means releasing criminals who might not be found guilty.
Sometimes_it_means homicides_get_declared_suicides.

~~~
ansible
Years and years ago I_traveled to Japan.

It seemed like_a very_safe place. I had heard about crime in_Japan,_and the
year before_had (allegedly) less than 100 murders for the entire_country,
which puts the murder rate far,_far below the_rest_of_the world.

And these days_when I read about how criminal_justice works there... well, I'm
glad I'm_not as naive as I used to_be.

~~~
pas
It's a case of both. Japan_is incredibly safe, no questions_about that._At the
same time they have_a very severe_problem with_managing expectations and
facing_the sometimes inevitable less than perfect_results of reality.

------
deugtniet
I_find it interesting how Japan and_Germany_both have a_constitution_that_was
essentially written_by Americans after_the_second world_war._But there is a
big difference in_civil_liberties between these countries.

E.G. If the police_charge you in Japan,_there_is very little chance_not being
sentenced to something (or_taken hostage). Compared to Germany where_you would
have_a much_fairer trial.

~~~
mafribe
Aside, not relevant to the article discussed here.

  _ 
    
_   _ _constitution_that was essentially_
_ _    written by Americans
_ _ 

I cannot speak about Japan,_but that's historically false_for_Germany. If you
look at the list_of participants in the main events_that drafted the West
German constitution_such_as_the _Rittersturz-Konferenz_ [1] and the
_Verfassungskonvent_auf Herrenchiemsee_ [2], then you'll see_that all
participants are_German. Naturally, the allies had to agree,_but_they were
split in a big way._The_Soviet Union anyway, but the US_and_France_really had
very different ideas. France,_in particular, wanted to snatch the_Saar region.
Naturally the drafters of the German constitution were_inspired in particular
by_the US constitution