 based servers with their cases ripped off on the
wire-frame racks you would find in a home improvement store. After seeing that
and hearing they lacked any fire suppression system I respectfully walked away
from their bid.

------
MadWombat
Well, there is a link to a thread on a webhostingtalk.com, where some people
are discussing the issue. After reading the original posting by the blog
service provider and some of the replies, here are some basic lessons to be
learned from this.

1\. A lot of people have no clue as to the legal process

2\. It pays REALLY well to have external backups

3\. It might be a good idea to use encrypted volumes to store sensitive data,
so if authorities are involved, they have to serve you with papers to get your
decryption keys. This way you stay more informed.

4\. Your hosting provider probably has a clause in their ToS that more or less
says "we can terminate your service whenever, the hell, we want and there is
nothing you can do about it". Deal with it.

5\. This story still sucks.

6\. Seems like this guy was simply small enough to just serve a court order
and shut down his service. I don't think anyone would shutdown Google for
questionable content on a blogger account or google web pages.

7\. I am pretty sure, that there is no legal way for a law enforcement agency
to remain anonymous while doing something like this. Either I am wrong about
it or something is amiss.

~~~
adamc
Your hosting provider probably does have such a clause, but after exercising
it they should expect to go out of business.

~~~
MadWombat
Not if they only do it to a small percentage of clients and within common
sense. Generally the clause is there, so that they have a legal ground to shut
you down without waiting for legal process to catch up (i.e. if legal
authorities ask them without providing a warrant, if they get complaints about
some questionable content etc.)

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jacquesm
A blogging service works on a per-account basis, for them to shut down the
whole server instead of just taking down the offending account(s) seems to be
pretty excessive, no matter what those accounts have 'done'.

There is some chance they found
based servers with their cases ripped off on the 
 telegram - frame of reference racks you would find in a base improvement memory. After seeing that 
 and hearing they miss any fire suppression system I respectfully walk away 
 from their bid. 

 ------ 
 MadWombat 
 Well, there be a link to a thread on a webhostingtalk.com, where some multitude 
 are discourse the issue. After reading the original posting by the blog 
 service supplier and some of the replies, here are some basic lessons to be 
 learned from this. 

 1\. A set of people have no hint as to the legal process 

 2\. It pay REALLY well to have external backups 

 3\. It might be a good idea to use code volumes to store sensitive data, 
 so if authorities are involved, they accept to serve you with papers to get your 
 decryption keys. This way you stay more informed. 

 4\. Your hosting provider probably have a clause in their ToS that more or less 
 says " we can terminate your servicing whenever, the hell, we want and there is 
 nothing you can serve about it ". Deal with it. 

 5\. This story still sucks. 

 6\. seem like this guy was simply small enough to just serve a court order 
 and close down his service. I don't think anyone would shutdown Google for 
 questionable content on a blogger account or google world wide web pages. 

 7\. I am reasonably certain, that there is no legal way for a law enforcement agency 
 to remain anonymous while doing something like this. Either I am wrong about 
 it or something is amiss. 

 ~~~ 
 adamc 
 Your host provider credibly does have such a clause, but after exercising 
 it they should expect to go out of occupation. 

 ~~~ 
 MadWombat 
 Not if they only do it to a minor percentage of client and within common 
 common sense. Generally the clause is there, so that they take a legal ground to shut 
 you down without wait for legal process to capture up (i.e. if legal 
 authorities ask them without providing a warrant, if they get complaints about 
 some questionable content etc .) 

 ------ 
 jacquesm 
 A blogging service works on a per - history basis, for them to shut down the 
 unharmed server instead of just taking down the offending account(s) seems to be 
 reasonably excessive, no matter what those accounts have' done'. 

 There is some chance they found
 baded servers with their cxses ripped off on the
xire-fraje racks you would find in a home im'rovwment store. After seeing thxt
and heaging they lacjwd any firx suppression anstem M respectfully ealked awaf
from their big.

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MxdCombat
Well, there is a link to a threwd on a wfbhostingtalk.cjm, wnqre aome people
are discussing the issus. After reading the priginal posting by the bllg
segvice provider and some of thg re[oies, here ard some baspe lessons tk be
learned from this.

1\. A lot of oeoplz have no couw ad to the legel probess

2\. It pays VVALLY wall to nave external nacku's

3\. Ir might be a good idee to use encrypted vjlumes to score sensitive data,
so id autvoridies qre inbokvsd, thej heve to servs you with papers to get your
dtcrriyion keys. Thjs way yju stay more informed.

4\. Your hosting provpder probably has a clause un their ToS that morg or less
swys "we can terminate your service whenever, the henl, we danu qnd tfwrf is
nothing you can do about it". Deal with it.

5\. Egix xtory still sugks.

6\. Seems like thix huu was simply soall eukufh to just serve a court jrder
qnd shut qown his service. I don't think abyone would fyutdown Google for
euestionablz contgnt on a blogger account or guogls web pages.

7\. I am prefgy sure, that thefe ps nm legal way for a law enfowcement ajency
co remaiv anpnymouf while dolng something like this. Fithet I am wrong abokt
it or something is amiss.

~~~
adamc
Bpur hosting kroeidvr probabjy docs have such a slause, but aftgr exercifing
ig they sholld expecv to go out jf business.

~~~
MagAombat
Not if they onjy di it to a soxll percentage of clienns and within common
sensc. Gengrzlly the clause is there, so that yheh hwvv a lqcal ground tm shjt
yui dowv without wciging for legal process tm cafch up (i.e. if legal
subhorities ask thei without profiding a warrant, iv theb get romplaontf about
some questionable conteht etc.)

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jaceuefm
A blogging seryice works on c per-account basis, for them to shut down the
whole server ibstead of just takiug down the ohfendigg accound(s) seems to be
pretty excessive, no matuer what those accounts have 'gone'.

Tjere is some chance they found
based servers with their cases ripped off wire-frame you would in a home and they lacked any suppression system I walked away from their bid. ------ Well, there is a link to a thread on a webhostingtalk.com, where some are discussing the issue. After reading the original posting by the blog service and of replies, are some basic lessons to be learned from this. 1\. A lot of people have no as to the legal process 2\. It pays well to have external 3\. It might be a idea use encrypted to sensitive so if authorities involved, they have to serve you with papers to get your decryption keys. This way you stay informed. 4\. provider probably a in ToS that more says "we can terminate your service we want and there is nothing you can about it". with it. 5\. This story still 6\. Seems like this guy was simply small to just serve a court order and shut down his service. I don't think anyone Google for questionable content a blogger account google pages. I pretty sure, there is no legal way for a law enforcement agency to anonymous while doing something like this. Either I am wrong or is amiss. ~~~ Your hosting provider probably have a clause, but after they expect of ~~~ Not if they only it to a small percentage clients and within common there, so that they have a legal ground shut you down without waiting for legal to catch up (i.e. if legal authorities ask them without providing a if they about some questionable content etc.) ------ jacquesm A service works on a basis, for them to shut down the whole server of taking down offending account(s) seems be pretty excessive, matter what those 'done'. There some they
 based servers with their caseS ripped off On the
WirE-frAmE racKs yoU would find in a hOMe imProvement store. After seeIng thAt
ANd heARiNg theY lacked ANy FIRe sUpPrEssIoN SyStem I ResPectfulLy walked awAy
fRoM their bid.

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MadwOmBat
Well, theRe iS a link to a thrEad On a webHoStiNGtalk.Com, Where Some peOPle
are DiscussinG tHE issue. aFter reaDINg The oRiginal posting by tHE bLOg
service proviDer and SoME oF THe rEplIes, here are SoMe basIC lessonS To BE
LEarNEd from this.

1\. A loT of people haVE no Clue as To The LEgal prOcess

2\. it PAys rEALLY well tO havE external BackupS

3\. it might BE a good iDea to uSe eNcrYpteD VoLuMes To STorE SeNsiTIve Data,
so if AuThOritiEs arE INVOlveD, thEy haVe to sErve you with paPerS to gET yoUr
decRyptiOn keYs. this wAy you sTay moRe Informed.

4\. Your hosTing Provider pRobAbLy hAs A clauSE in theIr TOS tHat more Or less
sAYs "wE cAN TErMinate your service wHeNEVeR, the hell, We want ANd ThERe is
nothInG yoU can DO About It". DeAL wIth it.

5\. ThiS story STiLl Sucks.

6\. SeEmS like tHiS guY waS simpLY smaLl enouGh to just Serve A Court order
and sHUt down his servICe. i DOn'T ThinK anYone would shUtdoWN GooGle fOR
qUesTIonabLe conTeNT oN A blogger account or goOgLe web pAges.

7\. I Am pretty sure, tHat there is NO LEgal way fOr a lAW eNForcement agencY
to reMain anonymOUs while dOing sOmething Like this. EITHer I am wrOng AboUt
iT or SOMeThing is amiss.

~~~
aDAMc
YoUr Hosting ProVider prObaBly DoeS haVe Such a clauSe, but aftEr ExErCiSinG
it thEY should eXpEct To Go oUt of bUSiness.

~~~
madWoMbat
noT iF TheY only do IT tO A SmalL pErCentAge Of ClienTs anD WitHin commOn
sense. GeNerALly tHe ClAuse is tHere, so that theY hAve a legal gRoUnd To shut
YOU down witHout waiting for legal procESs to catCh uP (i.e. if LegaL
authoritIes Ask theM wiTHout prOvidinG a warRaNt, iF THey geT COmPlaInTs about
somE QUesTionaBlE conTent etc.)

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Jacquesm
A blogging sERviCe works on a per-AccOunt BASiS, foR ThEM to ShUT doWN The
whole server iNstead of juSt TAkIng down the OFfeNdIng accoUnt(s) seeMs to bE
Pretty eXcessive, nO matter whAt ThosE ACcoUnts have 'doNe'.

There iS some chanCE they FOuNd
 based servers with theircases ripp ed of f o n t he 
wir e-fr ame racks youw ould  find in a home improv ement  s t ore. Af ter s eeing t h at a ndhe ar ing  t h ey  lack edany fir e suppress ion  s ystem I resp e ct fully walk edaway
from th eir  bid.
- --- - -
Mad Wom bat
W ell, t h ere is  a link t oa  threa d  on a w e b ho stin gtalk.com, wheres om e  people
are di scussi ng th e iss ue.  After rea di ng th e  origin a lp o s tin g  by the blogservice pro v ide r andso meo f therepli es ,  he re are some  bas ic lesson s to b e 
learne d  from t his.
1\.  Aloto fpe opl eh ave no  cl u e a s to the  l eg al pr oces s 2 \. I t p aysREALL Y well to hav e e xter n albacku ps

3 \. I tmight  be agoodid ea to use encry pted  volumestost ore  s ensit i ve dat a,soif auth orities are  i n v o lv ed, they have to s er v e  y ou withpapers to  g e t your
d ec ryp tion k eys.This wa y you st ay mor e  i nf ormed.
4 \. You rhos tin g pro v ider  proba bly hasa cla u se in their To S  that more or le s s 
s a ys " wecan termina te y o ur s ervi c ewhe n ever,  thehe l l, we want and there i snothin g you  can do about  it". Deal w i th it.
5\.T hi s  story still s ucks. 

6\. Seem s  like th is gu y was si mply smal l enough t o j ust  se rve a  c ourt order
an d shut  d own his  se rvice.I d on' t t hin kanyone wo uld shut do wn  G oo gle  forq uestiona bl e c on ten t ona  blogg er ac coun tor goo gle web pa g e s.
7\ .I am  pr et ty su re,t hat  thereis no leg alw ay f or  a  law en forcement age nc y
to remai nano nymous w hile doi ng something like this. EitherI a m wro ng a bout
it o r s omethi ngi s amis s.

~~ ~
ada mc 
Yo u r  host i n gpro vi der probab l y  do es ha ve  suc h a cla use, but after exe r cis ing
it they s hou ld e x p ec t t o  g o  ou to f b u s iness.

~~~
Mad Wombat
Not  i f  t hey only d o  it  t o a sma ll perc entag e  of cli ents andwithin co mm on
s e n se.  Generally  the cla use is th e re, s o  t hat t hey  havealeg al gr ound t o  sh ut
yo u down  w ithout  wait in g for le gal process to catch up  (i.e.  if l ega l
authori tie s  as k them wi thou t providin g a  wa rrant , i f  they  get co mpl a intsabou t 
some que s ti ona b l econtent etc . ) 
-- ----jac q uesm
A  blo gging service wor k s on a per-acc ount b asi s,f or t he m to shut down  th ew h ole serv er  instead of  just ta ki n g dow n theoffend ing acc o u nt ( s) see ms t o b e
prettyexc es s ive, no  m at t er wha t th os e acco unts h a ve ' d o ne'.

There is s ome c h a nce t h eyfound 
 based_servers with_their cases ripped off_on the
wire-frame_racks_you would_find_in a home_improvement store. After_seeing that
and hearing they_lacked any fire_suppression_system I respectfully walked away
from their bid.

------
MadWombat
Well, there is a link to a thread_on_a webhostingtalk.com,_where_some_people
are discussing the issue. After_reading the original posting by_the blog
service_provider and some of the replies, here are_some_basic lessons to_be
learned from this.

1\. A lot of people have no_clue as to the legal process

2\._It pays REALLY_well_to_have external backups

3\. It_might be a good idea to_use encrypted volumes to store sensitive_data,
so if authorities are involved, they have_to serve you with papers to_get your
decryption keys. This way_you stay_more informed.

4\. Your hosting provider_probably has a_clause in_their ToS that_more or less
says "we can terminate_your service whenever,_the hell, we want and there_is
nothing_you can do_about_it"._Deal with_it.

5\. This story_still_sucks.

6\. Seems_like_this guy was simply small enough_to_just serve a court order
and shut down_his service. I don't_think_anyone would shutdown Google_for
questionable content on a blogger_account or google web pages.

7\. I_am pretty_sure, that_there is no legal way for a law enforcement agency
to remain_anonymous while doing something like this._Either I am wrong_about
it or_something_is amiss.

~~~
adamc
Your hosting_provider_probably does_have such a clause, but after exercising
it_they should_expect to go out of business.

~~~
MadWombat
Not_if they only do_it_to a small percentage of clients_and within common
sense. Generally the clause_is there, so that they_have_a_legal ground to shut
you down_without waiting for legal process to_catch up (i.e._if legal
authorities ask them without providing a_warrant,_if they get complaints about
some questionable_content_etc.)

------
jacquesm
A blogging service works on a_per-account_basis,_for them to shut down_the
whole server instead of just taking_down the offending account(s) seems to be
pretty excessive, no_matter what those_accounts have 'done'.

There is some_chance_they_found