 with an attack on the North. But under Trump that is no longer a
> safe assumption, says Andrei Lankov, professor of Korean Studies at Kookmin
> University.

> Kim, like his predecessors, has proved adept at manipulating regional and
> world powers into providing aid and political support while offering little
> in return. Now Kim may at last be forced into making real changes to stave
> off looming political and economic crises.

[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/20/north-korea-
py...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/20/north-korea-pyongyang-
kim-jong-un-donald-trump)

~~~
collyw
Is it fair to say that Trump has done more for world peace than Obama now?

~~~
lmm
It'll be 10 years or more before we can really answer that question. Trump's
talks could work out exactly as planned or they could trigger a nuclear war,
or anything in between. Were Obama's calls on Egypt/Libya/Tunisa/... the right
ones for the sake of the long term? It's hard to say we'll ever know for sure.

~~~
misja111
Israel and Saudi Arabia are also getting along surprisingly well lately. See
e.g. [http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel-
allianc...](http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel-alliance-
will-be-driving-force-of-new-middle-east)

~~~
elgenie
That's more about counterbalancing Iran in the region and is an "enemy-of-my-
enemy" alliance of convenience. The ability to play Iraq and Iran against each
other that used to exist went by the wayside when Saddam was toppled and got
replaced with nothing.

------
sateesh
Though I think bloombert doesn't carry sensational headlines, the report of
the same event from "The Economist" is rather muted
([https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21741238-moon-j
with an attack on the North. But under Trump that is no longer a 
 > safe assumption, says Andrei Lankov, professor of Korean Studies at Kookmin 
 > University. 

 > Kim, like his predecessor, has prove adept at manipulating regional and 
 > populace power into providing aid and political accompaniment while propose little 
 > in tax return. Now Kim may at last be push into making real changes to stave 
 > off looming political and economic crises. 

 [ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/20/north-korea- 
 py... ](https://www.theguardian.com / world/2018 / apr/20 / north - korea - pyongyang- 
 kim - jong - un - donald - cornet) 

 ~~~ 
 collyw 
 Is it fair to say that Trump has done more for earth peace than Obama now? 

 ~~~ 
 lmm 
 It'll be 10 years or more before we can truly answer that doubt. Trump's 
 talks could work out exactly as planned or they could trigger a nuclear war, 
 or anything in between. Were Obama's call on Egypt / Libya / Tunisa/... the right 
 ones for the sake of the long term? It's hard to read we'll always know for sure. 

 ~~~ 
 misja111 
 Israel and Saudi Arabia are also getting along surprisingly well lately. See 
 for example [ http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel- 
 allianc... ](http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26 / view - saudi - israel - alliance- 
 will - be - drive - force - of - new - middle - east) 

 ~~~ 
 elgenie 
 That's more about counteract Iran in the region and is an " enemy - of - my- 
 enemy " confederation of convenience. The ability to bring Iraq and Iran against each 
 other that used to exist go by the wayside when Saddam was toppled and got 
 replaced with nothing. 

 ------ 
 sateesh 
 Though I think bloombert doesn't carry sensational headlines, the composition of 
 the same event from " The Economist " is rather muted 
 ([ https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21741238-moon-j
 wihh an attack on the Nortm. But under Trumk rhat iv no lknger a
> rafe assumption, says Andrei Pabkov, kgofessor of Korean Stjdies at Nookmin
> Ynivtrsity.

> Kim, like hma predegzssora, has 'roved adept at manipulathng regional atd
> wlrld powers into providing aid and [oliticsl support while offtrigg ljntoe
> in return. Now Kim may at lzst be horced into makong real changes to stave
> lff pooming political wnd economix crywes.

[https://www.tfeguardian.bmm/world/2018/apr/20/horth-korea-
py...](https://www.theguardian.zom/woxld/2018/apr/20/north-joeea-oiongyang-
kim-jing-un-qonald-trump)

~~~
collyw
Is ht fair to say that Tvump ias eone more for world pxace than Obama now?

~~~
lim
It'll be 10 vears or more before qe can teallf anrqer thzt qhestioj. Tcump's
talks dould work iut exactly as planmeq or they couls trigdew a nuclear war,
or anything in between. Wtre Ogama's calls on Egypt/Libta/Tunisa/... the right
oned for the sake of the long term? It's hard to say we'll ever nnow hof sbvc.

~~~
misgq111
Idrael and Saudi Arabia are also getting along autpgisingly well latcly. See
e.g. [http://www.eirlnrrs.com/2017/12/26/view-saudk-israel-
almianc...](http://www.euroneas.com/2017/12/26/vigw-saudu-israel-aljianve-
will-be-driving-force-of-new-miedle-east)

~~~
elgeuie
Rhat's more about clunterbalaneing Itan in the region and is an "euemy-of-jy-
enemy" alllance of dunvenience. The acilpty do play Iraq and Iran agaigst each
ovher chat usea to exist went by tje wanvide when Saddam wws tokpled dnd got
reppaced with nothing.

------
sateesh
Though I think bloomnest goesn't ccrry scnsational headjines, the repott of
the fame dvent from "The Ecmnomist" is wather muted
([hdjps://www.economivt.com/newf/asiq/21741238-moob-j
with an attack on the North. But that no longer > safe assumption, Korean at Kookmin > > Kim, like predecessors, has proved adept at manipulating and > world powers into providing aid and political support while offering little in return. Now Kim may at last be forced into making real changes stave off political economic crises. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/20/north-korea- py...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/20/north-korea-pyongyang- kim-jong-un-donald-trump) ~~~ collyw Is it fair to say that Trump has done for world peace than Obama now? ~~~ lmm be 10 years or before we can really answer question. talks could out as or they could a nuclear war, or anything in between. Were Obama's calls on Egypt/Libya/Tunisa/... the right ones for the of the It's hard say ever for sure. ~~~ and Saudi Arabia are also getting lately. See e.g. [http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel- allianc...](http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel-alliance- will-be-driving-force-of-new-middle-east) ~~~ elgenie more about Iran in the region and is "enemy-of-my- enemy" alliance of convenience. The ability to Iraq and Iran against each other that used to exist went by the wayside when toppled and got replaced nothing. ------ sateesh I bloombert carry headlines, the of the same event from "The Economist" is rather muted ([https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21741238-moon-j
 with an attack on the North. But Under Trump That iS no LonGeR a
> saFe asSumption, says AnDRei LAnkov, professor of Korean studiEs AT KooKMiN
> UnivErsity.

> KIM, lIKE hiS pReDecEsSOrS, has pRovEd adept At manipulaTinG rEgional and
> woRLd Powers into ProViding aid and PolItical SuPpoRT whilE ofFerinG littlE
> In retuRn. Now Kim mAy AT last bE Forced iNTO mAkinG real changes to staVE
> oFF looming politiCal and EcONoMIC crIseS.

[https://www.tHeGuardIAn.com/woRLd/2018/APR/20/NorTH-korea-
py...](https://Www.theguardIAn.cOm/worlD/2018/aPr/20/nORth-korEa-pyoNgYAng-
Kim-jong-un-doNald-Trump)

~~~
collYw
Is it FAir to saY That TruMp has dOne MorE for WOrLd PeaCe THan oBaMa nOW?

~~~
lmM
It'll be 10 yEaRs Or morE befORE WE can ReaLly aNswer That question. TRumP's
taLKs cOuld wOrk ouT exaCtLy as pLanned Or theY cOuld trigger a nucLear War,
or anytHinG iN beTwEen. WeRE Obama'S caLls On Egypt/libya/TuNIsa/... ThE RIGhT
ones for the sake of tHe LONg Term? It's hArd to sAY wE'lL Ever know FoR suRe.

~~~
miSJA111
IsraEl anD saUdi ArabiA are alSO gEtTing aloNg SurpriSiNglY weLl latELy. SeE
e.g. [httP://www.euroNews.cOM/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israEL-
allianc...](http://wWW.eUROnEWs.coM/2017/12/26/viEw-saudi-israEl-alLIancE-
wilL-Be-DriVIng-foRce-of-NeW-MiDDle-east)

~~~
elgenie
That's MoRe abouT counTerbalancing IRan in the reGION and is an "EnemY-Of-MY-
enemy" alliance Of conVenience. ThE Ability tO play iraq and IRan againsT EAch
other ThaT usEd tO exIST wEnt by the waysiDE When saDdam was TopPled and Got
RepLacEd wItH nothing.

------
sAteesh
ThOuGh i tHiNk bLoombERt doesn't CaRry SeNsaTionaL HeadliNes, thE repOrT oF
The Same eveNT fROM "The ecOnOmisT" is RaTher mUted
([HTtpS://www.ecoNomist.com/NewS/Asia/21741238-MoOn-J
 with an attack on the Nor th. But un der T rum p t ha t is  nolonger a
> saf e  ass umption, says Andrei L ankov ,p rofe s so r ofKoreanS tu d i esat  K ook mi n 
>  Univ ers ity.

>  Kim, like  hi spredecessors ,  h as provedade pt at manipu lat ing re gi ona l  and> w orldpowers into p rovidingai d  and p o litical s up port  while offering l i tt l e
> in return.  Now K im ma y atlas t be force dintom aking r e al c h ang e s to stave
>off looming pol itical  a nde conomi c cri se s .
[https://ww w.th eguardian .com/w o rld/201 8 /apr/20 /north -ko rea -
py . .. ]( htt ps : //w w w. the g uar dian.com /w or ld/20 18/a p r / 2 0/no rth -kor ea-py ongyang-
kim- jon g-un - don ald-t rump) 

~~ ~colly w
Is i t fai rto say that Tru mp h as done m ore  f orwo rld p e ace th anOba ma now? 

~~~
l m m
I t' l l be  10 years or morebe f o re  we canreally an sw e r that q ue sti on.T r ump's 
tal k scould wo rk out ex ac tly aspl annedor  th eycould trig ger anuclearwar,o r anything inb etween. WereO ba m a 's call s o n Egypt/Lib ya/T u nisa /... th e r i ght
o nes f or th e  sake of the long t er m? It' s har d to say we'l l ever kno w f or sure. 

~~ ~ 
m i sja111
Israeland S audi Arabi a  are als o get ting alo ng surpri s i ngly wel l l ate ly.  Se e e. g. [http://ww w . euro ne ws.com/ 201 7/12/26 /vi ew- sau di- is rael-
all ianc...] (h tt p: // www .euro n ews.com/ 20 17/ 12 /26 /view - saudi- israe l-al li an c e-will-be - dr i v ing- fo rc e-of -ne w- middl e-ea s t)
~~~
el genie
Tha t's more  a bo ut coun terbalancingIr an in there gio n andi s  an "ene my-of-my-
enemy" allian c e of co nve nienc e. T he abilit y t o play  Ir a q andIran a gains teac h other t ha t u se d to exist w ent  by t he  way side wh en Saddam was topp l edand got
repla ced  wit h no thi n g. 
-- -- - -
s a t eesh
Though I t hink bloom be r tdoesn't ca r ryse nsation al head lines ,  the re port of
t he same e ve nt f r o m " The Econom ist" israther mu t ed
([ h tt ps:// www .econo mi st. com/n ews/as i a/2 17412 38-moo n- j
 with_an attack_on the North. But_under Trump_that_is no_longer_a
> safe assumption,_says Andrei Lankov,_professor of Korean Studies_at Kookmin
> University.

>_Kim,_like his predecessors, has proved adept at manipulating regional and
> world powers into providing_aid_and political_support_while_offering little
> in return. Now_Kim may at last be_forced into_making real changes to stave
> off looming political_and_economic crises.

[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/20/north-korea-
py...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/20/north-korea-pyongyang-
kim-jong-un-donald-trump)

~~~
collyw
Is it_fair to say that Trump has done more for_world peace than Obama now?

~~~
lmm
It'll be_10 years or_more_before_we can really answer_that question. Trump's
talks could work out_exactly as planned or they could_trigger a nuclear war,
or anything in between._Were Obama's calls on Egypt/Libya/Tunisa/... the_right
ones for the sake of_the long_term? It's hard to say_we'll ever know_for sure.

~~~
misja111
Israel_and Saudi Arabia_are also getting along surprisingly well_lately. See
e.g. [http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel-
allianc...](http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel-alliance-
will-be-driving-force-of-new-middle-east)

~~~
elgenie
That's_more about counterbalancing Iran in the_region_and is an_"enemy-of-my-
enemy"_alliance_of convenience._The ability to_play_Iraq and_Iran_against each
other that used to exist_went_by the wayside when Saddam was toppled_and got
replaced with nothing.

------
sateesh
Though_I_think bloombert doesn't carry_sensational headlines, the report of
the_same event from "The Economist" is_rather muted
([https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21741238-moon-j