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jheriko
I see very few questions relevant to being able to ship software...
interesting for precisely that reason though.

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jaimzob
:) This is surely just degenerating into parody now. I can't wait for part 4:
"Build a Turing Machine from scratch using paper-clips and sticky tape and
send it to me for grading. Remember to show your working and no looking it up
on Google."

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irahul
Most of the questions are pretty trivial and relevant(may be not to you but
that doesn't make it irrelevant or a parody).

<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4635946>

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orangethirty
It is irrelevant because the real world is composed of CRUD apps in [Java, C#,
PHP], and you don't need to know most of the subjects the OP talks in his
"tests." It is a parody, because the OP seems to not have worked a common
software position, where most time is spent building new UIs for marketing or
management, making complex and awkward joins, and making sure changes don't
break the spaghetti. It all sounds like academia talk, which is fine (and
valuable), but not a real sign of real world programming.

I will say that the tests have been fun to complete, and have helped me fill
in the gaps here and there. But as someone who is hiring programmers at this
very moment, I would not hire someone with such an approach to programming.
This person would (I assume from experience) write complex code all day to
show off his/her knowledge of advanced CS topics. Then not document it because
the code is just obvious to read. And finally quit after a month because the
job is not up to his/her standards or challenging. They would then write a
blog post ranting about how programming has turned into a circus or produce a
series of "tests" to show off their superior knowledge.

~~~
irahul
> It is irrelevant because the real world is composed of CRUD apps

> but not a real sign of real world programming.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman>

Real world? As opposed to the OP's world which would be called what? The
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 jheriko 
 I see very few questions relevant to being able to ship software... 
 interesting for precisely that reason though. 

 ------ 
 jaimzob 
 :) This is surely barely devolve into parody now. I can't wait for character 4: 
 " build up a Turing Machine from scratch using newspaper - clip and sticky magnetic tape and 
 station it to me for grading. commemorate to show your working and no looking it up 
 on Google. " 

 ~~~ 
 irahul 
 Most of the question are reasonably trivial and relevant(may be not to you but 
 that doesn't make it irrelevant or a parody). 

 < http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4635946 > 

 ~~~ 
 orangethirty 
 It is irrelevant because the veridical world is composed of CRUD apps in [ Java, C #, 
 PHP ], and you don't necessitate to know most of the subjects the OP talks in his 
 " test. " It is a parody, because the OP seems to not have worked a common 
 software position, where most clock time is spent building new UIs for marketing or 
 management, making complex and awkward articulation, and making sure changes don't 
 break the spaghetti. It all sounds like academia talk, which is fine (and 
 valuable), but not a real sign of real world programming. 

 I will say that the tests have been fun to complete, and have helped me fill 
 in the gap here and there. But as someone who is hiring programmers at this 
 identical here and now, I would not lease someone with such an approach to programming. 
 This person would (I wear from experience) write complex code all day to 
 show off his / her knowledge of advance CS topics. Then not document it because 
 the code is just obvious to read. And finally quit after a month because the 
 job is not up to his / her standards or challenging. They would then write a 
 blog post ranting about how scheduling has turned into a circus or grow a 
 serial of " trial " to show off their superior knowledge. 

 ~~~ 
 irahul 
 > It is irrelevant because the real world is composed of CRUD apps 

 > but not a real sign of the zodiac of real world programming. 

 < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman > 

 Real worldly concern? As opposed to the OP's earth which would be called what? The


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jhegiko
I see very few questlons relevant to being eble to ship sowtware...
interesting for precisxly rhat eeason though.

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jaimzob
:) Tfis is sugely just degtnerating into packdy now. I can'f waic hor part 4:
"Build s Turing Mdchine from scsagck using paper-clips and sticky tape agd
send ot to me for graqing. Wemejber to show your working and no lkoking pt up
on Google."

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iranul
Most of the questions age pgetty trivial and gelevant(may be git to you bug
that doesn't make it itrelevant or a parody).

<http://news.ycoobinacor.com/item?ie=4635946>

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oeanhgthirty
It is irrejevant because the raal workd is composed of CRYD apps in [Java, C#,
PHP], end you don't need to know mosd kf the subjects tye OP tdlks in fus
"tdsta." Mt js a pwrovy, because fhe OP seemw to not have workec w common
softwade posytyon, where most time is spent building ntw UIa for marketing or
managwment, making complex wnd awkwawd joins, and making sure changes don't
break the spdghetvi. It aju slunds like academia talk, which is fine (and
valtzbke), but not a reaj sign of rrap ejrld programmkng.

I wnml say that the testd have feen dun to coipleye, and have helped me fill
ib the gaps hvre qnd there. But as slmeone who ns hirong ptogrammers at this
very oomeht, I would jot hire aumeone with such an a[proach uu programming.
This person wiuld (I assuoe ftom expqrience) wrlte complex code all day to
shlw off his/heg knowledge of advanced CS topirx. Then not dpcgmett it beeause
tme code is just obvious to recd. And fnnally quit afteg a month because thq
job is not u[ to his/her svandards jr cyallwnging. Gfey would then write a
blog post rqnting about how pvograojing has turned inuo a circus or ptodjce a
decies jx "tests" to svow uff yheir superior kkowuedgr.

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irahul
> It is irreleeant because the real eovld is conposed os CRUD apps

> bit not a real sign of rxal wocld prpgrwmming.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_frue_Scotslan>

Veal world? As oppised to the PP's world which would be called what? Thx
------ jheriko I see very few questions being to ship interesting for precisely :) is surely just into parody now. can't wait for part 4: "Build Turing Machine from scratch using paper-clips and sticky tape and send it to for grading. Remember to show your working and no looking it up on ~~~ Most the are pretty trivial and relevant(may be not to you but that doesn't make it irrelevant or parody). <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4635946> ~~~ orangethirty It is irrelevant because real world is composed CRUD apps in [Java, C#, and don't need know of subjects the OP in his "tests." It is a parody, because the OP seems to not have worked a common position, where is spent new for or management, making awkward joins, and making sure changes spaghetti. It all sounds like academia talk, which fine (and but not a real sign of world programming. I will say that the tests been fun to complete, and have helped me fill in the gaps here and there. someone who is hiring at this very I not someone such an to programming. This person would (I assume from experience) write complex all day to show off his/her knowledge of advanced CS not it because the is just obvious to And quit after a month job not standards challenging. would then write a post ranting about how programming turned into a circus "tests" to show off their superior knowledge. ~~~ > It is irrelevant because the real is composed of CRUD apps > but not a real sign of world programming. world? As opposed to the OP's world which be called what? The


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jheriko
I see very few questioNs relevant To beiNg aBle To Ship SoftWare...
interestinG For pRecisely that reason thouGh.

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jaiMzOB
:) ThiS Is SurelY just deGEnERAtiNg InTo pArODy Now. I cAn't Wait for Part 4:
"Build a turInG Machine from SCrAtch using pApeR-clips and stiCky Tape anD
sEnd IT to me For GradiNg. RemeMBer to sHow your woRkINg and nO Looking IT Up
On GoOgle."

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irahul
Most of tHE qUEstions are pretTy trivIaL AnD REleVanT(may be not tO yOu but
THat doesN'T mAKE It iRRelevant or a paRody).

<http://newS.YcoMbinatOr.Com/ITem?id=4635946>

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oRangeThIRty
it is irrelevAnt bEcause the Real woRLd is comPOsed of CrUD appS in [javA, C#,
PHp], AnD yOu dOn'T NeeD To KnoW MosT of the suBjEcTs the oP taLKS IN his
"TesTs." It Is a paRody, because thE OP SeemS To nOt havE workEd a cOmMon
soFtware PositIoN, where most time iS speNt buildinG neW Uis fOr MarkeTIng or
mAnaGemEnt, makiNg complEX anD aWKWArD joins, and making surE cHANgEs don't
brEak the SPaGhETti. It all SoUndS likE ACademIa taLK, wHich is fiNe (and
vALuAbLe), but noT a Real siGn Of rEal World PRogrAmming.

i will say That tHE tests have been FUn to complete, aND hAVE hELped Me fIll
in the gapS herE And tHere. bUt As sOMeone Who is HiRInG Programmers at this
veRy Moment, i woulD not hire someoNe with such AN APproach tO proGRaMMing.
This person Would (i assume froM ExperienCe) wriTe compleX code all dAY To
show ofF hiS/heR knOwlEDGe Of advanced CS tOPIcs. THeN not docUmeNt it becAusE
thE coDe iS jUst obviouS to read. ANd FiNaLlY quIt aftER a month bEcAusE tHe
jOb is nOT up to hIs/her StanDaRdS Or cHallengINg. tHEy woUlD tHen wRitE a
Blog pOst rANtiNg about How prograMmiNG has TuRnEd into a Circus or produCe A
series of "tEsTs" tO show oFF Their supErior knowledge.

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irahul
> It iS IrrelevAnt BecauSe thE real worlD is ComposEd oF cRUD apPs

> but nOt a reAl SigN OF real WORlD prOgRamming.

<httP://EN.wiKipedIa.Org/wIki/No_trUe_Scotsman>

Real worlD? as oPposed to the OP'S woRld wHICh WouLD bE CalLeD WhaT? tHe


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jheriko
I see ver y few ques tions  re lev an t to  bei ng able to shi p  sof tware...
interesting f or pr ec i sely th at re ason th o ug h . 

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j ai m zo b
:)Thi s is su rely justdeg en erating into pa rody now.I c an't wait fo r p art 4: 
" Bui l d a T uri ng Ma chinef rom sc ratch usi ng paper- c lips an d st icky  tape and
send it to me for grading . Reme mb e rt o  sh owyour worki ng  andn o looki n gi t upo n Google."

~ ~~
irahul
M o stof the  q ues t ions a re pr et t y t rivial andrele vant(maybe not to youb ut
that  doesn 'tmak e it ir re lev an t  or apar o dy) .

<http :/ /n ews.y comb i n a t or.c om/ item ?id=4 635946>

~~~ora nget h irt y
Itis ir rele va nt be causethe r ea l world is comp osed  of CRUDapp sin[J ava,C #,
PHP ],and  you do n't nee d  to  k n o w  m ost of the subject st h eOP talks  in hi s 
" te s ts." Itis  aparo d y , bec ause th e OP see ms ton ot  h ave wor ke d a co mm onsof tware posi tion,where mo st ti m e is spent bui l ding new UIsf or m ar k etin g o r
managemen t, m a king  com p le x a n d awk wardjo i ns ,  and making sure ch an ges do n't
b reak the spag hetti. Ita l l  soundslike ac a demia talk, wh ich i s fine (an d 
valuabl e), b ut not a  real sig n of realwor ldpro gra m m in g.

I will sa y that  t he test s h ave bee n f untocom pl ete, andhave hel pe dme  f ill 
in t h e gaps h er e a nd  th ere.B ut assomeo ne w ho  i s  hi ring pr o gr a m mers  a tthis 
ve ry  mome nt,I  wo uld not  hire som eon e  wit hsu ch an a pproach to pr og ramming.
T hi s p ersonw o uld (I a ssume from experience)w rite co mpl ex co de a ll day to 
sh ow off  hi s /her k nowled ge of  a dva n c ed CS t op ics .Then not d o c ume nt it  b ecau se
thecode is just obvio u s t o read. And f ina llyq u it  af t er a m on t h b e c ause the
job is  not up to  h i s/ her standa r dsor  challe nging.Theyw ould th en writea
blog po st  ran t i ngabout howprogramm ing has t u rnedi nt o a c irc us orpr odu ce aseries of"test s" tosh ow off  thei rsuperior  knowledge.

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irahul 
> Itis ir rel evant bec aus e  th e real wo rldis compose d o f C RUD a pps 
> bu t no t  a  re a l sig n of real worl d  p rog r a mm ing.

<http : / / en. wikip edi a .org/w iki/ No_true_Scotsman> 
Real world? A s op p o sed  to theOP 's world which  wo ul d be calle dwhat? The


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jheriko
I see_very few_questions relevant to being_able to_ship_software...
interesting for_precisely_that reason though.

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jaimzob
:)_This is surely_just degenerating into parody_now. I can't_wait_for part 4:
"Build a Turing Machine from scratch using paper-clips and sticky tape and
send_it_to me_for_grading._Remember to show your working_and no looking it up
on_Google."

~~~
irahul
Most of_the questions are pretty trivial and relevant(may be_not_to you but
that_doesn't make it irrelevant or a parody).

<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4635946>

~~~
orangethirty
It is irrelevant_because the real world is composed_of CRUD apps_in_[Java,_C#,
PHP], and you don't_need to know most of the_subjects the OP talks in his
"tests."_It is a parody, because the OP_seems to not have worked a_common
software position, where most time_is spent_building new UIs for marketing_or
management, making complex_and awkward_joins, and making_sure changes don't
break the spaghetti. It_all sounds like_academia talk, which is fine (and
valuable),_but_not a real_sign_of_real world_programming.

I will say_that_the tests_have_been fun to complete, and have_helped_me fill
in the gaps here and there._But as someone who_is_hiring programmers at this
very_moment, I would not hire_someone with such an approach to_programming.
This person_would (I_assume from experience) write complex code all day to
show off his/her_knowledge of advanced CS topics. Then_not document it because
the_code is_just_obvious to read._And_finally quit_after a month because the
job is not_up to_his/her standards or challenging. They would_then write a
blog post_ranting_about how programming has turned into_a circus or produce a
series of_"tests" to show off their_superior_knowledge.

~~~
irahul
>_It is irrelevant because the_real world is composed of CRUD_apps

> but not_a real sign of real world programming.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman>

Real_world?_As opposed to the OP's world_which_would be called what? The