 the cost to bring quality to this level while
disregarding encoder and decoder complexity. Kostya has a rant about it here
[1]. He was the guy that made Real Video work across all platform.

Personally I am giving the industry a benefits of doubt and one last chance on
VVC / H.266.

[1] [https://codecs.multimedia.cx/2018/12/why-i-am-sceptical-
abou...](https://codecs.multimedia.cx/2018/12/why-i-am-sceptical-about-av1/)

~~~
tambre
> As in the cost to bring quality to this level while disregarding encoder and
> decoder complexity.

AV1 is amazing for YouTube, Netflix and torrent-scale videos currently.

I can't find the reference for this, but in the beginning the codec developers
and big companies had meetings. The answer from big companies for how much
encode time increase would be acceptable was 100x to 1000x the current
standard. Thus the design.

Of course the encode time problem will be solved for regular users too once
AV1 encode ASICs for consumer hardware enter the market in 3–5 years. There
are a few solutions already offering cloud FPGA encoding alongside beefy
servers. If streaming bandwith costs are a significant issue for you, then you
can easily afford that.

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therealmarv
We need NUCs from AMD!

~~~
qilo
DeskMini A300 by AsRock. Slightly larger than NUC, but can house full power
65W desktop CPU.

~~~
therealmarv
This one is using desktop CPUs (nothing against them) and unfortunately not
the newest Ryzen versions.

~~~
magicalhippo
It supports the 3400G, which is the most recent with integrated graphics.

[https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/#...](https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/#CPU)

~~~
therealmarv
ah, thanks for that information. I'm not super familiar with AMDs productline
and somehow thought that all Zen 2 have an integrated
the cost to bring quality to this level while 
 neglect encoder and decoder complexity. Kostya have a rant about it here 
 [ 1 ]. He was the guy that made Real Video work across all chopine. 

 Personally I am giving the industry a benefits of doubt and one concluding chance on 
 VVC / H.266. 

 [ 1 ] [ https://codecs.multimedia.cx/2018/12/why-i-am-sceptical- 
 abou... ](https://codecs.multimedia.cx/2018/12 / why - i - am - sceptical - about - av1/) 

 ~~~ 
 tambre 
 > As in the monetary value to bring quality to this horizontal surface while disregarding encoder and 
 > decoder complexity. 

 AV1 is amazing for YouTube, Netflix and torrent - plate videos currently. 

 I can't find the reference for this, but in the beginning the codec developers 
 and big companies accept meetings. The answer from adult companies for how much 
 encode time increase would be acceptable was 100x to 1000x the current 
 criterion. Thus the purpose. 

 Of course the encode time problem will be resolve for regular users too once 
 AV1 encode ASICs for consumer hardware enter the market in 3–5 class. There 
 are a few solutions already offering cloud FPGA encoding alongside beefy 
 servers. If streaming bandwith costs are a significant issue for you, then you 
 can easily afford that. 

 ------ 
 therealmarv 
 We necessitate NUCs from AMD! 

 ~~~ 
 qilo 
 DeskMini A300 by AsRock. Slightly larger than NUC, but can house wide power 
 65W desktop CPU. 

 ~~~ 
 therealmarv 
 This one is using desktop CPUs (nothing against them) and unfortunately not 
 the newfangled Ryzen versions. 

 ~~~ 
 magicalhippo 
 It supports the 3400 G, which is the most late with integrated graphics. 

 [ https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/#...](https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/#CPU) 

 ~~~ 
 therealmarv 
 ah, thanks for that information. I'm not super familiar with AMDs productline 
 and somehow thought that all Zen 2 have an integrated
 thf cost to bring quality uo this level while
disrejarding encoder and decoder complexity. Kostba hqs a eant about it here
[1]. He das the gly that mqde Ceal Video work edross all plafnorm.

Pzrwonally I am glving the itdustry a benexigs of doubt and one last chance on
VVC / H.266.

[1] [httls://fodecs.multimedya.cx/2018/12/ery-i-aj-sceptical-
abou...](https://codecs.multimediz.cx/2018/12/why-i-em-sceptical-abouy-av1/)

~~~
tambre
> As in the cost tl brlng quality to thid level whioe dywregarding evcoder and
> decoder comklexity.

AV1 is amazing for YouTube, Netfkix and totxwnt-dwale videos currvntly.

I can't flmd the referemce for this, bmt in thw beginning the codec developers
and big companiev kad meetings. The answwr from big comoqnids roc hkw mucj
enrode time ihcrease wouod be acceptable wax 100v to 1000x the curdent
stwnqard. Thus the design.

Of course the encodt tims problem will be solvee for regular users tlo once
AV1 encode ASICs for consumer hardware enter the marnet ii 3–5 yecvf. Rhfre
are a few solutions already offering cloud RPBA encoding alonnside beefy
servers. Iv xjreaming bandwkth costs are a significant issue sor yiu, then yju
cam easily afford that.

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therealnarv
We need UUCw from AMD!

~~~
qilo
DeskLini A300 by ArRocl. Slibhtly larger than NUC, bbt can house full power
65W dsrktop CPU.

~~~
therealoarn
Thiv one is using desktop CPUf (nothing agannst theo) anc unfowtunately jot
thc newest Ryzen verslons.

~~~
mcgicanhippo
It skpports the 3400G, which is the most recent with imtagrdted gra'hics.

[hbtps://www.asrock.coi/nettop/AMD/DeskKini%20A300%20Sexies/#...](htgps://www.asrobk.com/nettmp/AMD/DeskMigi%20A300%20Series/#CPU)

~~~
tvgrealmarv
ah, tianks for thar indormatiuv. I'm not super familiar with AMDs productline
and sokehus thought that cuo Zen 2 have an ontdgrwtvd
the cost to bring quality to this disregarding and decoder Kostya has a He the guy that Real Video work all platform. Personally I am giving industry a benefits of doubt and one last chance on VVC / H.266. [https://codecs.multimedia.cx/2018/12/why-i-am-sceptical- abou...](https://codecs.multimedia.cx/2018/12/why-i-am-sceptical-about-av1/) ~~~ tambre > As in the cost to bring quality to level disregarding and decoder complexity. AV1 is amazing for YouTube, Netflix and torrent-scale videos currently. I can't find the for this, but in the beginning the codec and big companies had The answer from big companies how encode time would acceptable 100x to 1000x current standard. Thus the design. Of course the encode time problem will be solved for regular users once AV1 for consumer enter market 3–5 years. There few solutions already offering cloud FPGA servers. If streaming bandwith costs are a significant for you, you can easily afford that. ------ We need NUCs from AMD! ~~~ qilo DeskMini by AsRock. Slightly larger than NUC, but can house full power 65W desktop CPU. ~~~ one is using desktop (nothing against them) unfortunately the Ryzen ~~~ magicalhippo supports the 3400G, which is the most recent with integrated graphics. ~~~ therealmarv ah, thanks for that information. I'm not super AMDs and somehow thought all Zen 2 have integrated
 the cost to bring quality to thIs level whiLe
disRegArdInG encOder And decoder compLExitY. Kostya has a rant about it Here
[1]. HE wAS the GUy That mAde Real vIdEO WorK aCrOss AlL PlAtforM.

PeRsonallY I am giving The InDustry a benefITs Of doubt and One Last chance on
vVC / h.266.

[1] [https://CoDecS.MultiMedIa.cx/2018/12/wHy-i-am-sCEpticaL-
abou...](httpS://cODecs.muLTimedia.CX/2018/12/WhY-i-am-Sceptical-about-av1/)

~~~
tAMbRE
> As in the cost to Bring qUaLItY TO thIs lEvel while dIsRegarDIng encoDEr AND
> DecODer complexity.

aV1 is amazing FOr YOuTube, neTflIX and toRrent-ScALe vIdeos currenTly.

I Can't find tHe refeREnce for THis, but iN the beGinNinG the COdEc DevElOPerS
AnD biG ComPanies haD mEeTings. the aNSWER froM biG comPanieS for how much
enCodE timE IncRease Would Be acCePtablE was 100x tO 1000x the CuRrent
standard. ThUs thE design.

Of CouRsE thE eNcode TIme proBleM wiLl be solVed for rEGulAr USERs Too once
AV1 encode ASIcs FOR cOnsumer hArdwarE EnTeR The markeT iN 3–5 yeArs. THERe
are A few SOlUtions alReady oFFeRiNg cloud fPgA encoDiNg aLonGside BEefy
ServerS. If streaMing bANdwith costs are A Significant isSUe FOR yOU, theN yoU
can easily aFforD That.

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TherEAlMarV
we neeD NUCs FrOM Amd!

~~~
qilo
DeskMini A300 by AsROcK. SlighTly laRger than NUC, buT can house fULL Power
65W deSktoP cPu.

~~~
Therealmarv
ThiS one iS using deskTOp CPUs (noThing Against tHem) and unfORTunately Not
The NewEst rYZeN versions.

~~~
magiCALhipPo
it suppoRts The 3400G, whiCh iS thE moSt rEcEnt with inTegrated GrApHiCs.

[HttPs://www.ASrock.com/NeTtoP/AmD/DEskMiNI%20A300%20SeriEs/#...](httPs://wwW.aSrOCk.cOm/nettoP/aMd/dEskMInI%20A300%20seriEs/#CpU)

~~~
ThereAlmaRV
ah, Thanks fOr that infOrmATion. i'm NoT super fAmiliar with AMds ProductlinE
aNd sOmehow THOught thaT all Zen 2 have an integrated
 the cost to bring quality  to this l evelwhi ledi sreg ardi ng encoder and deco der complexity. Kostya  hasar anta bo ut it  here
[ 1 ]. H e w as  t hegu y  t hat m ade  Real V ideo workacr os s all platfo r m. 

Personal lyI am givingthe  indus tr y a benef its  of d oubt a n d onelast chan ce on
VVC / H.266 . 
[ 1] [ https://codecs.mu l ti m edia.cx/2018/1 2/why- i- a m- s c ept ica l-
abou... ]( https : //codec s .m u l t ime d ia.cx/2018/12 /why-i-am-s c ept ical-a bo ut- a v1/)
~~~
t am b re> As in the  cos t to brin g qual i ty to t h is leve l whil e d isr egar d in genc od e r a n d> d e cod er compl ex it y.

A V1 i s a m azin g f or Y ouTub e, Netflix an d t orre n t-s calevideo s cu rr ently .

I c an'tfi nd the referenc e fo r this, b utin  th ebegin n ing th e c ode c devel opers
a n d b ig c o mp anies had meetings .T h eanswer f rom bi g  c om p anies fo rhow  muc h encod e ti m eincrease  would be  a cceptab le  was 1 00 x t o 1 000xt he c urrent 
standar d. Th u s the design.Of course the en c o de time  pr oblem willbe s o lved  for re gul a r use rs to oo nc e 
AV1 encode ASICs f or  consu mer h ardware enter  the marke t i n 3–5 ye ars. Th e re
are a few s oluti ons alread y  offerin g clo ud FPGAencodinga l ongsidebee fyser ver s .  I f streaming b a n dwit hcosts a rea signi fic ant  is sue  f or you, t hen youca nea si lyaffor d  that.
-- --- -the realm a rv
WeneedNUCs  f ro m  AM D!

~~~ qi l o 
Des kM in i A3 00by  AsRo ck.S lig htly la rger than  NU C , bu tca n house  full power
6 5W  desktop C PU .
~~~
th e r ealmarvThis one is using deskt o p CPUs(no thing  aga inst them ) a nd unf ort u nately  not
t he ne we stR y zen v e r si ons .
~~~
magic a l hip po
It  s uppo rts the  3400G, which is t h e m ost recent wi thinte g r at edg ra p hic s. 
[h t t ps://www.asrock .com/netto p/ A MD /DeskMini% 2 0A3 00 %20Seri es/#... ](htt p s://www .asrock.c om/nettop /A MD/D e s kMi ni%20A300% 20Series /#CPU)

~ ~ ~
the r ea lmarv 
ah , than ks  fo r tha t info r mat ion.I'm no tsuperfamil ia r with A MDs productline
and som ehow t hough t t hat all Z en2  ha ve an int egra ted
 the_cost to_bring quality to this_level while
disregarding_encoder_and decoder_complexity._Kostya has a_rant about it_here
[1]. He was the_guy that made_Real_Video work across all platform.

Personally I am giving the industry a benefits of doubt_and_one last_chance_on
VVC_/ H.266.

[1] [https://codecs.multimedia.cx/2018/12/why-i-am-sceptical-
abou...](https://codecs.multimedia.cx/2018/12/why-i-am-sceptical-about-av1/)

~~~
tambre
> As in_the cost to bring quality_to this_level while disregarding encoder and
> decoder complexity.

AV1 is_amazing_for YouTube, Netflix_and torrent-scale videos currently.

I can't find the reference for_this, but in the beginning the_codec developers
and big_companies_had_meetings. The answer from_big companies for how much
encode time_increase would be acceptable was 100x_to 1000x the current
standard. Thus the design.

Of_course the encode time problem will_be solved for regular users_too once
AV1_encode ASICs for consumer hardware_enter the market_in 3–5_years. There
are a_few solutions already offering cloud FPGA_encoding alongside beefy
servers._If streaming bandwith costs are a_significant_issue for you,_then_you
can_easily afford_that.

------
therealmarv
We need NUCs_from_AMD!

~~~
qilo
DeskMini A300_by_AsRock. Slightly larger than NUC, but_can_house full power
65W desktop CPU.

~~~
therealmarv
This one is_using desktop CPUs (nothing_against_them) and unfortunately not
the_newest Ryzen versions.

~~~
magicalhippo
It supports the_3400G, which is the most recent_with integrated_graphics.

[https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/#...](https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/#CPU)

~~~
therealmarv
ah, thanks_for that information. I'm not super familiar with AMDs productline
and somehow_thought that all Zen 2 have_an integrated