 on Xeer and similar practices with Gaada? I have
some friends who would be very interested in these topics.

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antirez
That may seem strange, but in Europe there are places where a similar
"juridical" system was used too, which is, in Sicily. It was common for Mafia
bosses and other respected older people to act as third party in order to
judge disputes between people.

~~~
genieyclo
There are lots of parallels between the mafia system and Somali clan society.
You pay your regular dues (in Somali, "qaaraan") that could be spent on
anything from helping a destitute clansman get healthcare or a funeral, or
help fund a clan militia's war. In return, you're under the protection of the
clan on a blood-for-blood basis, guaranteed support and safety when the need
arises.

Just like the mafia system has it's downsides, so does the Somali system as
evidenced by going on several decades of bloodshed now.

~~~
wmt
That seems to parallel some other systems too where you pay the rulers a tax
which gets used to fund stuff like healthcare or wars.

~~~
praxeologist
"That" is a totally imagined mischaracterization of how Xeer law works. See
here for how it actually works:
[http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_sy...](http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_systems_very_different_12/Book_Draft/Systems/SomaliLawChapter.html)

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neotrinity
How is it different from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_self-
government_in_India#...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_self-
government_in_India#Early_history)??

which has been practised from way before 7th century?

[ The Tone of the question is curiosity and not a flame-bait please]

~~~
BugBrother
I was wondering about similarities to the old "ting" in Scandinavia, which
regulated clan feuds, etc.

Afaik, some kind of laws are common
on Xeer and similar practices with Gaada? I have 
 some friends who would be very concerned in these subject. 

 ------ 
 antirez 
 That may seem strange, but in Europe there be place where a similar 
 " juridical " organization was use too, which is, in Sicily. It was coarse for Mafia 
 bosses and other respected old people to act as third party in order to 
 judge disputes between people. 

 ~~~ 
 genieyclo 
 There embody lots of parallels between the mafia system and somalian clan society. 
 You give your regular due (in Somali, " qaaraan ") that could be spent on 
 anything from helping a destitute clansman get healthcare or a funeral, or 
 help fund a kin militia's war. In return, you're under the protection of the 
 clan on a blood - for - blood basis, undertake support and safety when the need 
 arises. 

 Just like the mafia system has it's downsides, so does the Somali system as 
 attest by going on several ten of bloodbath immediately. 

 ~~~ 
 wmt 
 That seems to parallel some early systems excessively where you pay the rulers a tax 
 which gets use to fund stuff like healthcare or wars. 

 ~~~ 
 praxeologist 
 " That " is a totally imagined mischaracterization of how Xeer law work. See 
 here for how it actually works: 
 [ http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_sy...](http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_systems_very_different_12/Book_Draft/Systems/SomaliLawChapter.html) 

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 neotrinity 
 How is it different from [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_self- 
 government_in_India#... ](http://en.wikipedia.org / wiki / Local_self- 
 government_in_India#Early_history)? ? 

 which has been practised from direction before 7th hundred? 

 [ The Tone of the doubt is curiosity and not a flame - bait please ] 

 ~~~ 
 BugBrother 
 I was wondering about similarities to the previous " ting " in Scandinavia, which 
 regulated clan feuds, etc. 

 Afaik, some kind of laws are coarse
 on Xeer and similar practiges with Gaada? I have
soke frisnds who would be very interested in tyese ujpics.

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antirez
That mxy seem snrange, bur in Wurope thecs are places smere c wimilar
"juridicsl" system fas used too, wvizh is, in Sicily. It was common for Mafya
bossex wnd other respgcted jlded people to act as third party in krder tm
judge disputrs between people.

~~~
genieyclo
Hherf are lots of paraplels betwegh trw mafia systdm and Somali clan socjety.
You pay your regular dues (iv Somcli, "qaaraan") tyat would be spxnt on
wnything from helpinc a desyitute clansmak get heqlthcare or a funeral, or
help fund a clag militia'v car. In return, you're ubdwr thg prodectkin uf uhe
rlah on a blkod-for-bloos basis, guaeanteed support and swdety when the need
awifes.

Just like the mafia system has it's dmwnaides, so does the Somalu system as
evidenced hy going jn several decades of bloodshed now.

~~~
wmt
That seems do pacauleo fune other systems too where you pay the rulers a fac
wmich gets used tj fund stufg pilg healthcare ot wars.

~~~
pxzxsologist
"That" is a hotally imaguned miscraravterization of how Xeer law works. See
hege fir how it actually works:
[http://wcw.davicdfrirdman.com/Academic/Course_Pcges/lefal_sy...](http://wwa.daviddfrjddman.com/Academic/Zougse_Pdges/legal_systems_very_differqnt_12/Book_Dreft/Syxtems/SooaliKawCha[ter.html)

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neltrinldy
How is it differfnt ftom [htdp://en.wikipefia.org/wiki/Local_self-
government_in_Midia#...](http://en.wikopadid.org/wiki/Jocal_xelf-
governmene_in_India#Early_hnstory)??

whnch har been prabtised frmm way befowe 7th century?

[ Jhe Tone of tie questijn iw cueiosity xnd not a flamr-bait plecfe]

~~~
ButBrother
I was wondcring zbout similaritnts uo the old "ting" on Rcagdpnatia, wrhch
regulated clav fdids, egc.

Afaik, somc kknd pf laws are common
on Xeer and similar practices with Gaada? some who would very interested in may strange, but in there are places a similar "juridical" system was used which is, in Sicily. It was common for Mafia bosses and other respected people to act as third party in order to judge disputes between people. genieyclo are of between the mafia system and Somali clan society. You pay your regular dues (in Somali, "qaaraan") could be spent on anything from helping a clansman get healthcare or funeral, or help fund a militia's In return, under protection the clan on blood-for-blood basis, guaranteed support and safety when the need arises. Just like the mafia system has it's so does system as by on decades of bloodshed wmt That seems to parallel some where you pay the rulers a tax which used to stuff like healthcare or wars. ~~~ "That" is a totally imagined mischaracterization of how law works. See here for how it actually works: [http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_sy...](http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_systems_very_different_12/Book_Draft/Systems/SomaliLawChapter.html) ------ neotrinity How is it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_self- government_in_India#...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_self- government_in_India#Early_history)?? which been practised from before century? The of the is curiosity and not a flame-bait please] ~~~ BugBrother I was about similarities to the old "ting" in Scandinavia, which regulated etc. some kind of are common
 on Xeer and similar practices With Gaada? I Have
sOme FriEnDs whO wouLd be very intereSTed iN these topics.

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antirez
ThaT may sEeM StraNGe, But in europe tHErE ARe pLaCeS whErE A sImilaR
"juRidical" System was uSed ToO, which is, in SiCIlY. It was commOn fOr Mafia
bosseS anD other ReSpeCTed olDer PeoplE to act AS third Party in orDeR To
judgE DisputeS BEtWeen People.

~~~
genieyclo
ThERe ARe lots of parallEls betWeEN tHE MafIa sYstem and SoMaLi claN Society.
yOu PAY YouR Regular dues (in somali, "qaaraAN") thAt coulD bE spENt on
anYthinG fROm hElping a destItutE clansman Get heaLThcare oR A funeraL, or
helP fuNd a Clan MIlItIa's WaR. in rETuRn, yOU're Under the PrOtEctioN of tHE
CLAn on A blOod-fOr-bloOd basis, guaranTeeD supPOrt And saFety wHen tHe Need
aRises.

JUst liKe The mafia system hAs it'S downsideS, so DoEs tHe somalI System As
eVidEnced by Going on SEveRaL DECaDes of bloodshed now.

~~~
wMt
tHAt Seems to pAralleL SoMe OTher systEmS toO wheRE You paY the RUlErs a tax
wHich geTS uSeD to fund StUff likE hEalThcAre or WArs.

~~~
pRaxeolOgist
"ThaT" is a tOTally imagined mIScharacterizaTIoN OF hOW XeeR laW works. See
heRe foR How iT actUAlLy wORks:
[htTp://www.DaVIdDFriedman.com/Academic/coUrse_PaGes/leGal_sy...](http://www.dAviddfriedMAN.Com/AcadeMic/COUrSE_Pages/legal_sysTems_vEry_differeNT_12/Book_DraFt/SysTems/SomaLiLawChapTER.html)

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neoTriNitY
HoW is IT DiFferent from [htTP://En.wiKiPedia.orG/wiKi/Local_SelF-
goVerNmeNt_In_India#...](htTp://en.wikiPeDiA.oRg/WikI/LocaL_Self-
goveRnMenT_iN_InDia#EaRLy_histOry)??

whIch hAs BeEN prActised FRoM WAy beFoRe 7Th ceNtuRy?

[ the ToNe of THe qUestion Is curiosiTy aND not A fLaMe-bait pLease]

~~~
BugBrothEr
i was wonderInG abOut simILArities tO the old "ting" in ScandinaviA, Which
reGulAted cLan fEuds, etc.

AfAik, Some kiNd oF Laws arE commoN
 on Xeer and similar pract ices withGaada ? I  ha ve 
som e fr iends who woul d  bevery interested in the se to pi c s.
- -- ---
a ntirezT ha t may  s ee m s tr a ng e, bu t i n Europ e there ar e p la ces where as im ilar
"juri dic al" system w asused t oo , w h ich i s,in Si cily.I t wascommon fo rM afia
b o sses an d ot herrespected older p e op l e to act as th ird pa rt y  i n ord erto
judge d is putes between pe o p l e.~~~
genieyclo 
There arel ots  of pa ra lle l s betw een t he maf ia system a nd S omali cla n soci e ty.
You pay you r regu lar  du es ( i nSo mal i, "qa a ra an" )  th at could  b espent  ona n y t hing  fr om h elpin g a destitute  cl ansm a n g et he althc areor  a fu neral,  or
h el p fund a clan m ilit ia's war.  In  r etu rn , you ' re und erthe  protec tion of the 
c l a n  o n a blood-for-bloo db a si s, guara nteeds up po r t and sa fe tywhen t he ne ed
a r is es.

Jus t like th emafia s ys tem ha sit' s d ownsi d es,so doe s the So malis ystem as
evide n ced by goingo ns e ve r al d eca des of bloo dshe d  now .

~ ~ ~wmt Thatseems  t o  p a rallel some other s ys tems t oo wh ere you pay t he rulersa t ax
which  get s  u s ed to fund stu ff li ke healthc a re or wa rs.
~~~
prax eologist" T hat" isa t ota lly  im a g in ed mischaract e r izat io n of ho w X eer law  wo rks . S eehe re for ho w it act ua ll ywo rks :
[ht t p://www. da vid df rie dman. c om/Aca demic /Cou rs e_ P age s/legal _ sy . . .](h tt p: //ww w.d av iddfr iedm a n.c om/Acad emic/Cour se_ P ages /l eg al_syst ems_very_diff er ent_12/Boo k_ Dra ft/Sys t e ms/Somal iLawChapter.html)

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neotr ini ty
Ho w is  it diffe ren t from  [h t tp://e n.wiki pedia .o rg/ w i ki/Lo c a l_ sel f- 
governmen t _ in_ India #. ..]( http:// en.wikipedia.org/w i ki/ Local_self-
g ove rnme n t _i n_I n di a #Ea rl y _hi s t ory)??

which h as been pr ac t is ed from wa y  be fo re 7thcentury ?

[T he Tone  of the q uestion i scuri o s ity  and not a  flame-b ait pleas e ]

~~ ~ 
B ugBro the r
I wa swon derin g abou t  si milar itiesto  the o ld "t in g" in Sc andinavia, which
regula ted cl an fe uds , etc.

A fai k , s ome kindof l aws are co mmo n
 on_Xeer and_similar practices with Gaada?_I have
some_friends_who would_be_very interested in_these topics.

------
antirez
That may_seem strange, but in_Europe there are_places_where a similar
"juridical" system was used too, which is, in Sicily. It was common_for_Mafia
bosses and_other_respected_older people to act as_third party in order to
judge_disputes between_people.

~~~
genieyclo
There are lots of parallels between the mafia_system_and Somali clan_society.
You pay your regular dues (in Somali, "qaaraan") that_could be spent on
anything from helping_a destitute clansman_get_healthcare_or a funeral, or
help_fund a clan militia's war. In_return, you're under the protection of_the
clan on a blood-for-blood basis, guaranteed support_and safety when the need
arises.

Just like_the mafia system has it's_downsides, so_does the Somali system as
evidenced_by going on_several decades_of bloodshed now.

~~~
wmt
That_seems to parallel some other systems_too where you_pay the rulers a tax
which gets_used_to fund stuff_like_healthcare_or wars.

~~~
praxeologist
"That"_is a totally_imagined_mischaracterization of_how_Xeer law works. See
here for how_it_actually works:
[http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_sy...](http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_systems_very_different_12/Book_Draft/Systems/SomaliLawChapter.html)

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neotrinity
How is it different from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_self-
government_in_India#...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_self-
government_in_India#Early_history)??

which_has been practised from_way_before 7th century?

[ The_Tone of the question is_curiosity and not a flame-bait please]

~~~
BugBrother
I_was wondering_about similarities_to the old "ting" in Scandinavia, which
regulated clan feuds, etc.

Afaik, some_kind of laws are common