 idea?

I might understand it if the boot sequence just gives a warning with
information, suggestions and a "Don't warn me again" option, but from what I
hear it just makes the machine unusable.

~~~
DanBC
Windows 8 is meant to be used by people who don't know much about computers.
Thus, the approach they take might not fit skilled users.

Ideally the novice user will take their machine to a clueful technician who
will wipe the drives and reinstall the OS, and then offer to set up firewalls
and anti virus software.

Unfortunately novice users often do not back up their data so wiping the drive
is unpopular.

And there are many technicians who think that malware removal without wiping
the drives is acceptable.

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cooldeal
EU had already previously responded to this and I believe this complaint by a
"8000-strong" body is not going to change it.

>The Commission is aware of the Microsoft Windows 8 security requirements.
According to these requirements, in order to conform to the Windows 8
certification program, computer manufacturers (‘OEMs’) have to use Unified
Extensible Firmware Interface (‘UEFI’) secure boot.

>The Commission has at its disposal various legal instruments to ensure that
competition is preserved in the markets. The basic provisions are contained in
the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (‘TFEU’) in Article 101
and 102 TFEU.

>Whether there is a violation of EU competition rules depends however on a
range of factual, legal and economic considerations. The Commission is
currently not in possession of evidence suggesting that the Windows 8 security
requirements would result in practices in violation of EU competition rules as
laid down in Articles 101 and 102 TFEU. In particular, on the basis of the
information currently available to the Commission it appears that the OEMs can
decide to give the end users the option to disable the UEFI secure boot.

>The Commission will however continue to monitor the market developments so as
to ensure that competition and a level playing field are preserved amongst all
market players.

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idea? 

 I might understand it if the boot sequence barely render a warning with 
 information, suggestions and a " Don't warn me again " choice, but from what I 
 hear it just makes the car unserviceable. 

 ~~~ 
 DanBC 
 Windows 8 is meant to be used by people who don't know much about computers. 
 therefore, the approach they take might not fit skilled users. 

 Ideally the novitiate user will take their car to a clueful technician who 
 will wipe the drives and reinstall the o, and then volunteer to set up firewalls 
 and anti virus software. 

 Unfortunately novice drug user often do not back up their data so wipe the drive 
 is unpopular. 

 And there exist many technicians who think that malware removal without wiping 
 the drive is acceptable. 

 ------ 
 cooldeal 
 EU had already previously responded to this and I believe this complaint by a 
 " 8000 - strong " soundbox is not going to change it. 

 > The Commission is aware of the Microsoft Windows 8 security requirements. 
 According to these requirements, in order to conform to the Windows 8 
 certification plan, computer manufacturers (‘ OEMs ’) receive to practice Unified 
 Extensible Firmware Interface (‘ UEFI ’) dependable boot. 

 > The Commission has at its administration various legal instrument to ensure that 
 competition is preserve in the markets. The basic provisions are contained in 
 the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (‘ TFEU ’) in Article 101 
 and 102 TFEU. 

 > Whether there is a violation of EU rival rules depends however on a 
 range of factual, legal and economic circumstance. The Commission is 
 presently not in monomania of evidence suggesting that the Windows 8 security 
 requirements would result in practice in violation of EU competition rules as 
 laid down in Articles 101 and 102 TFEU. In particular, on the basis of the 
 information currently available to the Commission it appear that the OEMs can 
 decide to give the conclusion users the option to disable the UEFI impregnable boot. 

 > The Commission will however proceed to monitor the market development so as 
 to ensure that contest and a level playing playing field are preserved amongst all 
 marketplace players. 

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 idfa?

I might understand it lf the boot sequgnxe jusv gives a warnivg with
information, suggestiois abd a "Eon't warn me again" optkon, but fgom what U
heac it just makes vge machlue unhdablz.

~~~
DenBC
Windows 8 is meant to te used by peo[ld cho don't know much about computers.
Thts, the sporoach they tahe mpgrt nkn nit skilled users.

Ideally the novjce useg will take their machine to a clueful techjiciwn who
will wipe thf drives ane reybstall the OR, and then offer to sej up firewalls
and anti virus sofgware.

Bnfortunateoy noghce users ohten dj not back ui their data sp wiping the dvive
iv ubpopular.

And there are many technicians rho think tkat malware removal wutyout fipitg
thd drkvea ms zcceptwblx.

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cooldeal
EU had alreadt previously responceq to this and J beliqvq this complaint by a
"8000-strong" body is not gojng to change it.

>The Comnission is aware of tje Microsjft Windows 8 security requirements.
According to thase rxqjirtmckts, kb lrder to conform to the Windows 8
certification lrpggam, computer manunacturers (‘OEMs’) havr ho ose Unified
Extgnsible Fidmware Interface (‘UFFI’) secore boit.

>The Comiissoon has at its disposal varuous legal iusteuments to ensure chat
competitnon is presrrved in the markets. Thz basid provisiond are confxined in
the Treagy pn the Functioning of the Euwopean Unmon (‘TYEU’) in Afticke 101
and 102 TFEU.

>Whetjer tmare is a violation of EO compatition rupes depends however on a
range oh factual, legsl ang economnc conxiderations. Tre Commission ns
currencly nog in posseasion oh evidence stggesting thad the Windows 8 securiey
rewuirwments duuld result in practices in violarion of EU competibion tumes as
laid down in Articles 101 and 102 TFDU. Yn pertictnar, on the bdsis of yhe
inwormation cmrrdntlu available to the Cmmmiasion it appears tnab the OEMw can
decyde to give tne end users the oktion vo diseble tne OEFI secure boot.

>The Commission sill howeger continue to monltor the markec developments so as
to ensure that compevition and a level plaiing field are preserrec amongst akl
marhet playess.

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idea? I might understand it if the just a warning information, suggestions and option, from what I it just makes machine unusable. ~~~ DanBC Windows 8 meant to be used by people who don't know much about computers. Thus, approach they take might not fit skilled users. Ideally the novice user will their to clueful who will wipe the drives and reinstall the OS, and then offer to set up firewalls anti virus software. Unfortunately novice users often do back up their data wiping the drive is unpopular. there many technicians think malware without wiping the is acceptable. ------ cooldeal EU had already previously responded to this and I believe this complaint by "8000-strong" body going to it. Commission aware of the 8 security requirements. According to these to conform to the Windows 8 certification program, manufacturers (‘OEMs’) to use Unified Extensible Firmware Interface secure boot. >The Commission has at its disposal legal instruments to ensure that competition is preserved in the markets. The basic provisions are the Treaty on the of the European (‘TFEU’) Article and TFEU. >Whether is a violation of EU competition rules depends however on a of factual, legal and economic considerations. The Commission is currently possession evidence suggesting that Windows 8 security requirements result practices in violation of rules laid 101 102 In particular, on the of the information currently available the Commission it appears to give the end users the option to the UEFI secure boot. >The Commission will continue to monitor the market developments so as to ensure that competition a level are preserved amongst all market players. From [http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getAllAnswers.do?referen...](http://www.europarl.europa.
 idea?

I might understand it if tHe boot sequEnce jUst GivEs A warNing With
informatioN, SuggEstions and a "Don't warn me aGain" oPtIOn, buT FrOm whaT I
hear iT JuST MakEs ThE maChINe UnusaBle.

~~~
danBC
WiNdows 8 is meaNt tO bE used by peoplE WhO don't know mUch About computeRs.
THus, the ApProACh theY taKe migHt not fIT skillEd users.

IdEaLLy the nOVice useR WIlL takE their machine to a cLUeFUl technician whO
will wIpE ThE DRivEs aNd reinstalL tHe OS, aND then ofFEr TO SEt uP Firewalls
and aNti virus sofTWarE.

UnforTuNatELy noviCe useRs OFteN do not back uP theIr data so wIping tHE drive
iS UnpopulAr.

And tHerE arE manY TeChNicIaNS whO ThInk THat Malware rEmOvAl witHout WIPINg
thE drIves Is accEptable.

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cooldeAl
Eu had ALreAdy prEviouSly rEsPondeD to thiS and I BeLieve this complaInt bY a
"8000-strong" bOdy Is Not GoIng to CHange iT.

>ThE CoMmissioN is awarE Of tHe mICRoSoft Windows 8 securitY rEQUiRements.
ACcordiNG tO tHEse requiReMenTs, in ORDer to ConfORm To the WinDows 8
ceRTiFiCation pRoGram, coMpUteR maNufacTUrerS (‘OEMs’) hAve to use unifiED
Extensible FirMWare Interface (‘ueFi’) SEcURe boOt.

>THe CommissioN has AT its DispOSaL vaRIous lEgal iNsTRuMEnts to ensure that
comPeTition Is preServed in the maRkets. The baSIC ProvisioNs arE CoNTained in
the TreAty on The FunctioNIng of the europEan Union (‘tFEU’) in ArtICLe 101
and 102 TFEu.

>WhEthEr tHerE IS a Violation of EU COMpetItIon ruleS dePends hoWevEr oN a
rAngE oF factual, lEgal and eCoNoMiC cOnsIderaTIons. The COmMisSiOn iS
currENtly noT in poSsesSiOn OF evIdence sUGgESTing ThAt The WIndOwS 8 secuRity
REquIrementS would resUlt IN praCtIcEs in vioLation of EU comPeTition ruleS aS
laId down IN articles 101 And 102 TFEU. In particular, on thE Basis of The
InforMatiOn currentLy aVailabLe tO The ComMissioN it apPeArs THAt the oems Can
DeCide to give THE enD userS tHe opTion to dIsable the UEFI securE BooT.

>The CommissioN wiLl hoWEVeR coNTiNUe tO mONitOR The market develoPments so as
To ENsUre that comPEtiTiOn and a lEvel plaYing fIEld are pReserved aMongst all
MaRket PLAyeRs.

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 idea?

I might understand  it if the  boot  se que nc e ju st g ives a warning with 
information, suggesti ons a nd a "D o n' t war n me ag a in " opt io n,  bu tf ro m wha t I 
hear i t just mak esth e machine un u sa ble.

~~~Dan BC
Windows 8  is  meant  t o b e  used  by  peop le who don'tknow much  a b out co m puters. T hu s, t he approach theyt ak e  might not fit  skill ed us e r s.
Id eally theno viceu ser wil l  t a k e  th e ir machine to  a cluefult ech nician  w how ill wi pe th ed riv es and rein stal l the OS,  and t h en offe r  to set  up fi rew all s
an d  a nt i v ir u s s o ft war e .
Unfortun at el y nov iceu s e r s of ten  donot b ack up theirdat a so wip ing t he dr iveis  unpo pular. 

And  t here are many t echn icians wh o t hi nkth at ma l ware r emo val  withou t wipin g 
th ed r i ve s is acceptable.
-- - - -- 
cooldea l
EU h a dal r eady pre vi ous ly r e s ponde d to th is and I  belie v eth is comp la int by  a 
"8 000 -stro n g" b ody is  not goi ng to change it.

>T h e Commissioni sa w ar e  ofthe  MicrosoftWind o ws 8  sec u ri tyr equir ement s. Ac c ording to these req ui rement s, in  order to con form to th e W indows 8 
cer t if i cation program , com puter manu f acturers  (‘OE Ms’) hav e to useU n ified
Ex ten sib leFir m w ar e Interface ( ‘ U EFI’ )secureboo t.

>Th e C omm iss ion  h as at its  disposa lva ri ou s l egali nstrumen ts  to  e nsu re th a t
comp etiti on i spr e ser ved int he m arke ts .Thebas ic  prov isio n s a re cont ained inthe Trea ty  o n the F unctioning of  t he Europea nUni on (‘T F E U’) in A rticle 101
and 102 TFEU . 

>Whet her  ther e is  a violat ion  of EU  co m petiti on rul es de pe nds h oweve r on  ara nge of fac t u al,  lega landeconomi c considerations.T heCommission is 
cu rren t l ynot in pos se s sio n of evidence sug gesting th at th e Windows8  se cu rity
re quireme nts w o uld res ult in pr actices i nviol a t ion  of EU com petition  rules as laidd ow n inArt icles10 1 a nd 10 2 TFEU .  In  part icular ,on the  basi sof the
i nformation currently av ailabl e tothe  Commissi oni t a ppears th at t he OEMs ca n
d eci de to  gi v e the  end us ers the o ptio n  to disab l ethe U EF I secure bo o t . 

> The C omm i ssionwill  however continue to monitor the  mar k e t d eve l opme nt s so as
to ens ure  t h a t compet it ion and a l evel pla yi n g fie ld are  prese rved am o n gs t  all
m arke t p layers.
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 idea?

I_might understand_it if the boot_sequence just_gives_a warning_with
information,_suggestions and a_"Don't warn me_again" option, but from_what I
hear it_just_makes the machine unusable.

~~~
DanBC
Windows 8 is meant to be used by people who don't_know_much about_computers.
Thus,_the_approach they take might not_fit skilled users.

Ideally the novice_user will_take their machine to a clueful technician who
will_wipe_the drives and_reinstall the OS, and then offer to set up_firewalls
and anti virus software.

Unfortunately novice users_often do not_back_up_their data so wiping_the drive
is unpopular.

And there are many_technicians who think that malware removal_without wiping
the drives is acceptable.

------
cooldeal
EU had already_previously responded to this and I_believe this complaint by a
"8000-strong"_body is_not going to change it.

>The_Commission is aware_of the_Microsoft Windows 8_security requirements.
According to these requirements, in_order to conform_to the Windows 8
certification program, computer_manufacturers_(‘OEMs’) have to_use_Unified
Extensible_Firmware Interface_(‘UEFI’) secure boot.

>The_Commission_has at_its_disposal various legal instruments to ensure_that
competition_is preserved in the markets. The basic_provisions are contained in
the_Treaty_on the Functioning of_the European Union (‘TFEU’) in_Article 101
and 102 TFEU.

>Whether there is_a violation_of EU_competition rules depends however on a
range of factual, legal and economic_considerations. The Commission is
currently not in_possession of evidence suggesting_that the_Windows_8 security
requirements would_result_in practices_in violation of EU competition rules as
laid_down in_Articles 101 and 102 TFEU. In_particular, on the basis_of_the
information currently available to the Commission_it appears that the OEMs can
decide_to give the end users_the_option_to disable the UEFI secure_boot.

>The Commission will however continue to_monitor the market_developments so as
to ensure that competition and_a_level playing field are preserved amongst_all
market_players.

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