, in the same way that we don't string together
the parts that make up a Linux distribution. FishOS makes it simple for us --
and that's before looking at operational tools in the product.

I have not been involved in the commercial terms, but my understanding is that
commercially we have TCO that would be hard to match otherwise.

~~~
kiallmacinnes
As someone who used to work on OpenStack as 100% of my day job for 3-4 years,
this comment makes so much sense.

People try and deploy OpenStack from sources, or even from Ubuntu's etc
packaging.

This isn't how you should do it.. You need an opnionated vendor who meets your
needs.

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iamthepieman
the article mentions other big players pulling out or cutting jobs/funding
related to OpenStack in recent months in addition to this latest move by
Intel.

Is this related to some endemic problem with the technology, big egos within
the project, dominance by another outside player or what? Cursory searching
doesn't reveal any "big thing". Maybe it's just dying a death by a thousand
cuts.

~~~
jldugger
I figure Intel's participation was hinged on supporting a growing fleet of
competitors to AWS, who would bid up chip prices. I guess that isn't
happening.

IMO, OpenStack was sort of a consortium effort to compete with VMWare, AWS and
Salesforce, but it's operational model is closest to AWS. Nearly all the big
enterprise IT companies tied their rafts together hoping to stave the flow of
customers. It doesn't appear to have worked.

RackSpace is advertising AWS migration and consulting services on podcasts I
listen to. Not exactly a stellar testament for their own cloud product, but I
think they still participate.

HP's strategy is a bit haphazard given the recent corporate splitup. On the
plus side, the HP/HPE split seems to have allowed HPE to ditch all the weird
www# URLs. They retired their public cloud, but still sell hardware that can
run OpenStack at least.

Dell bought EMC, and proceeded to shut down their OpenStack offerings in favor
of VMWare, which they own a substantial fraction of.

, in the same way that we don't string together 
 the parts that seduce up a Linux distribution. FishOS do it simple for us -- 
 and that's before looking at operational instrument in the product. 

 I have not been involved in the commercial condition, but my understanding is that 
 commercially we have TCO that would be difficult to match otherwise. 

 ~~~ 
 kiallmacinnes 
 As someone who use to work on OpenStack as 100% of my day problem for 3 - 4 class, 
 this comment makes so much sense. 

 People test and deploy OpenStack from sources, or even from Ubuntu's etc 
 packaging. 

 This isn't how you should do it.. You want an opnionated vendor who meets your 
 needs. 

 ------ 
 iamthepieman 
 the article mentions early big player pulling out or cutting jobs / support 
 related to OpenStack in recent months in addition to this latest move by 
 Intel. 

 Is this related to some endemic problem with the technology, big egos within 
 the project, dominance by another outside player or what? Cursory searching 
 doesn't reveal any " big matter ". possibly it's just dying a death by a thousand 
 cut. 

 ~~~ 
 jldugger 
 I figure Intel's participation was hinged on corroborate a growing fleet of 
 competitors to AWS, who would bid up chip price. I guess that isn't 
 happening. 

 IMO, OpenStack was sort of a consortium effort to compete with VMWare, AWS and 
 Salesforce, but it's operational model is closest to AWS. closely all the big 
 enterprise IT companies tied their rafts in concert hoping to stave the stream of 
 customers. It doesn't appear to have worked. 

 RackSpace is advertising AWS migration and consulting services on podcasts I 
 heed to. Not exactly a stellar testament for their own cloud product, but I 
 think they still participate. 

 HP's strategy is a morsel haphazard given the late corporate splitup. On the 
 plus side, the HP / HPE split seems to have allowed HPE to chuck all the weird 
 www # url. They retired their public cloud, but however sell hardware that can 
 run OpenStack at least. 

 Dell buy EMC, and proceeded to close down their OpenStack offerings in party favor 
 of VMWare, which they own a substantial fraction of.
, in the same way that we dok't string togethgr
rhe pacts thaf make uo a Linux distribution. FishOD nakes it simple for us --
and ghat's beflre lookung et operational tools in bke prkfuct.

N iave not been ikvolved in dhe commercial tdrls, but my understanding is that
commqrciallu ae have TCO thwt wptld gv mard to match otherwise.

~~~
kiallmacihnes
As vomeone who uxed to work on OpenStack ad 100% ov my day job for 3-4 jears,
this cimmegr makes so mjch sense.

Pto'le try and deploy OpenStack from sources, ur evzn from Ububty's fjc
packaging.

Tiis isg't how you smpuld dm it.. Yoi need an opnipnaved cendor who meets your
ieeds.

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iamthepieman
the article keutions other big playwrw pulning out ir zutuinj jkbs/funfinj
related to OpenStack un recent months in aqeition to thia lateft move by
Intel.

Is this related to some engemjc problem with the tecynology, big egos withln
the protect, dominance by another outside player or what? Wursocy secvghine
eofsn't reveal any "big thing". Maybe it's just dyind a dvath by a thousanb
cuts.

~~~
jldugger
I fogkrr Intel's partizipation sas hinged on supplrting w groqing fleeu of
cpmpetitors to AWS, who would bid up chip prices. I guess thac isn't
happennng.

IMO, OpenXtack was sort of a conrortjum effort ho compets with VMWare, AWS anc
Sdlesforct, but it's operatiogal model is elosest go AES. Neawly all thf big
ctterprise IT compajies jied tveir rafts together hoping to stave the flow of
customerx. Ht goesn't a'pear bo have worked.

RwckSpace is adrertisiny AWS oigration znd convulting serdices on podcddts I
listen vo. Not exwctlt a wtellar gestament for yheir own cloud proeuct, but I
think thcy stkml participate.

H''r strategy is a nit ha[hwzerd gyeen the recett curputate rplitup. On bhe
olus side, the HP/HPE splid sesms to have allowec MPE to dijch all tre weird
www# UTLs. They retired tjeir 'ublic clouc, bot still sell hardware that can
dun OpenShach at least.

Dejl biught EMC, anb proceeded to shut down their OpenStack offerings in favoe
of VMWare, which thgy pwn a substential fraction of.

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, in the same way that we don't strIng togetheR
the pArtS thAt Make Up a LInux distributiON. FisHOS makes it simple for us --
aNd thaT's BEforE LoOking At operaTIoNAL toOlS iN thE pROdUct.

I hAve Not been Involved in The CoMmercial termS, BuT my understAndIng is that
comMerCially We HavE tCO thAt wOuld bE hard tO Match oTherwise.

~~~
kIaLLmacinNEs
As somEONe Who uSed to work on OpenStACk AS 100% of my day job for 3-4 Years,
tHiS CoMMEnt MakEs so much seNsE.

PeopLE try and DEpLOY opeNstack from sourCes, or even frOM UbUntu's eTc
PacKAging.

THis isN't HOw yOu should do iT.. You Need an opnIonateD Vendor wHO meets yOur
neeDs.

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iAmtHepiEMaN
tHe aRtICle MEnTioNS otHer big plAyErS pullIng oUT OR CuttIng Jobs/FundiNg
related to OpEnSTack IN reCent mOnths In adDiTion tO this lAtest MoVe by
Intel.

Is this RelaTed to some EndEmIc pRoBlem wITh the tEchNolOgy, big eGos withIN
thE pROJEcT, dominance by anotheR oUTSiDe player Or what? cUrSoRY searchiNg
DoeSn't rEVEal anY "big THiNg". Maybe iT's just DYiNg A death bY a ThousaNd
CutS.

~~~
jlDuggeR
i figUre IntEl's partiCipatIOn was hinged on sUPporting a growINg FLEeT Of
coMpeTitors to AWS, Who wOUld bId up CHiP prICes. I gUess tHaT IsN'T
happening.

IMO, OpenStAcK was soRt of a Consortium effOrt to compeTE WIth VMWarE, AWS ANd
sAlesforce, but it'S operAtional modEL is closeSt to AwS. Nearly All the big
ENTerprise iT cOmpAniEs tIED tHeir rafts togeTHEr hoPiNg to staVe tHe flow oF
cuStoMerS. It DoEsn't appeaR to have wOrKeD.

RAcKSpAce is ADvertisiNg aWS MiGraTion aND consuLting ServIcEs ON poDcasts I
LIsTEN to. NOt ExActlY a sTeLlar tEstaMEnt For theiR own cloud ProDUct, bUt i
tHink theY still particiPaTe.

HP's stratEgY is A bit haPHAzard givEn the recent corporate splITup. On thE
plUs sidE, the hP/HPE spliT seEms to hAve ALlowed hPE to dItch aLl The WEIrd
wwW# urLS. ThEy Retired theIR PubLic clOuD, but Still seLl hardware that can
rUN OpEnStack at leasT.

DeLl boUGHt eMC, ANd PRocEeDEd tO SHut down their OpeNStack offeRiNGs In favor
of VmwarE, wHich theY own a suBstanTIal fracTion of.

, in the same way that wedon't stri ng to get her 
t he p arts  that make upa  Lin ux distribution. FishO S mak es it s i mp le fo r us -- an d tha t' sbef or e  l ookin g a t opera tional too lsin  the product . 
I have not  be en involvedinthe co mm erc i al te rms , but  my un d erstan ding is t ha t 
comme r ciallyw e  h aveTCO that would be ha r d to match oth erwise .~~ ~ kia llm acinnes
As  s omeon e  who us e dt o wor k  on OpenStack  as 100% of myday jo bfor 3-4 ye ars,th i s c omment make s so  much sen se.

P e ople tr y  and de ploy O pen Sta ck f r om  s our ce s , o r  e ven fro m Ubuntu 's  e tc
pa ckag i n g . 

Th isisn' t how  you should d o i t..Y ouneedan op nion at ed ve ndor w ho me et s your
needs.
---- --
iamthe pie ma n
t he  arti c le men tio nsother b ig play e rspu l l i ng  out or cutting jo bs / f un ding
rel ated t o  O pe n Stack in  r ece nt m o n ths i n ad d it ion to t his la t es tmove by 
I ntel.
I s t his  rela t ed t o some  endemic  prob l em with the te c hnology, bige go s wi t hinthe  project, d omin a nceby a n ot her outsi de pl ay e ro r what? Cursory sea rc hing
d oesn' t reveal any"big thing " . Maybe it 's j u st dying a deathby athousand
c u ts.

~~~ 
jldu gger
I f igure Int e l 's parti cip ati onwas h in ged on suppor t i ng a  g rowingfle et of
c omp eti tor s t oAWS, whowould bi dup  c hi p p rices .  I guess  t hat  i sn' t
hap p ening. 

IMO , Op en St a ckwas sor t  o f a co ns or tium  ef fo rt to  com p ete  with V MWare, AW S a n d
Sa le sf orce, b ut it's opera ti onal model  i s c losest t o AWS. N early all the big
enter p rise IT  co mpani es t ied their  ra fts to get h er hop ing to  stav ethe f low o f cu sto me rs. It doe s n 'tappea rto h ave wor ked.

RackSpace is adv ertising AWSmig rati o n  a ndc on s ult in g  se r v ices on podcast s I
listen  t o .Not exactl y  ast ellar t estamen t for their o wn cloudproduct,bu t It h ink  they stil l partic ipate.

H P 's st r at egy i s a  bit h ap haz ard g iven t h e r ecent  corpo ra te spl itup.  O n the
pl us side, the HP/HPE spl it see ms to  ha ve allowe d H P E t o ditch a ll t he weird
w ww#  UR Ls. T hey retir ed t h ei r p u blicclou d , but sti l lsel l ha rdware that c a n
r un Op enS t ack at  lea st.

Dell boughtE MC, and procee dedt o  sh utd ownth eir OpenStackoff er i n gs in fa vo r
of VMWare , whichth e y own  a sub stanti al frac t i on of.

, in_the same_way that we don't_string together
the_parts_that make_up_a Linux distribution._FishOS makes it_simple for us --
and_that's before looking_at_operational tools in the product.

I have not been involved in the commercial terms, but_my_understanding is_that
commercially_we_have TCO that would be_hard to match otherwise.

~~~
kiallmacinnes
As someone_who used_to work on OpenStack as 100% of my_day_job for 3-4_years,
this comment makes so much sense.

People try and deploy_OpenStack from sources, or even from_Ubuntu's etc
packaging.

This isn't_how_you_should do it.. You_need an opnionated vendor who meets_your
needs.

------
iamthepieman
the article mentions other big players_pulling out or cutting jobs/funding
related to OpenStack_in recent months in addition to_this latest move by
Intel.

Is this_related to_some endemic problem with the_technology, big egos_within
the project,_dominance by another_outside player or what? Cursory searching
doesn't_reveal any "big_thing". Maybe it's just dying a_death_by a thousand
cuts.

~~~
jldugger
I_figure_Intel's_participation was_hinged on supporting_a_growing fleet_of
competitors_to AWS, who would bid up_chip_prices. I guess that isn't
happening.

IMO, OpenStack was_sort of a consortium_effort_to compete with VMWare,_AWS and
Salesforce, but it's operational_model is closest to AWS. Nearly_all the_big
enterprise IT_companies tied their rafts together hoping to stave the flow of
customers._It doesn't appear to have worked.

RackSpace_is advertising AWS migration_and consulting_services_on podcasts I
listen_to._Not exactly_a stellar testament for their own cloud_product, but_I
think they still participate.

HP's strategy is_a bit haphazard given_the_recent corporate splitup. On the
plus side,_the HP/HPE split seems to have_allowed HPE to ditch all_the_weird
www#_URLs. They retired their public_cloud, but still sell hardware that_can
run OpenStack at_least.

Dell bought EMC, and proceeded to shut_down_their OpenStack offerings in favor
of VMWare,_which_they own a substantial fraction of.
