 belief that doesn't really
reflect the real world in any way and is starting to get tiring.

We keep hearing from them how iPad Pro is a computer and how it's so much more
powerful than a real laptop yet we still never see it do anything more than
tweeting, writing articles, extremely basic video editing and a painting app.

Yet I look around every workplace and its still just a sea of laptops doing
incredibly varied work across multiple applications and systems most of which
still just isn't possible on iPads.

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GiorgioG
I would be more open to this if the new machines had Intel and ARM chips in
them.

If Apple pulls any walled-garden nonsense around what apps I can and cannot
install on my Mac today, at the extreme I can install Windows/Linux and run
the majority of software that's available for those platforms.

If they move to ARM-only, I lose that choice.

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Arcuru
Matching the Spec2k6 scores of a high end desktop does not mean that the A13
has similar real world single-core performance. I've done ARM vs Intel perf
comparisons in the past and we mostly ignored Spec2k6 because it looked
nothing like real world code.

I'm curious if there are any better benchmarks that will run on iOS.

------
abvdasker
I shudder to think of the huge number of applications this will break. This
has all happened before with PowerPC (ironically an RISC architecture Apple
abandoned ~15 years ago). It's probably necessary but nonetheless frustrating.

------
Shivetya
two ifs for me

If they pass on the savings to consumers, looking at the price escalation with
iPads I don't see why we should expect it to happen.

if they don't build that garden wall higher which can include no bootcamp
support

while TSMC is doing great they are sill in Taiwan, a country which China has
been making a lot of dangerous noise about and considering what is happening
in Hong Kong how long before Taiwan suffers a similar or worse fate. That is a
lot of manufacturing tied up in one area

~~~
akmarinov
It's very unlikely that they pass on savings to people by coming up with a
cheap ARM
belief that doesn't really 
 reflect the real populace in any direction and is starting to get tiring. 

 We prevent hearing from them how iPad Pro is a computer and how it's indeed a lot more 
 powerful than a real laptop yet we still never see it do anything more than 
 pinch, writing articles, highly basic video editing and a painting app. 

 Yet I look around every workplace and its still just a sea of laptops act 
 incredibly varied work across multiple applications and system most of which 
 still just isn't possible on iPads. 

 ------ 
 GiorgioG 
 I would be more open to this if the fresh machines had Intel and ARM chips in 
 them. 

 If Apple pulls any walled - garden folderal around what apps I can and cannot 
 install on my Mac today, at the extreme I can install Windows / Linux and run 
 the majority of software that's available for those platforms. 

 If they move to ARM - only, I lose that option. 

 ------ 
 Arcuru 
 match the Spec2k6 scores of a high end desktop does not mean that the A13 
 has similar real world individual - core performance. I've do sleeve vs Intel perf 
 comparisons in the past and we mostly ignored Spec2k6 because it look 
 nothing like real world code. 

 I'm curious if there are any better benchmark that will run on iOS. 

 ------ 
 abvdasker 
 I shudder to think of the huge number of applications this will break. This 
 has all happen before with PowerPC (ironically an RISC architecture Apple 
 abandoned ~15 years ago). It's probably necessary but nonetheless frustrating. 

 ------ 
 Shivetya 
 two ifs for me 

 If they authorize on the savings to consumers, looking at the price escalation with 
 iPads I don't see why we should ask it to happen. 

 if they don't build that garden wall eminent which can include no bootcamp 
 support 

 while TSMC is doing great they are sill in Taiwan, a country which China has 
 been take a lot of dangerous randomness about and considering what is happening 
 in Hong Kong how long before Taiwan suffers a similar or worse destiny. That is a 
 lot of fabrication tied up in one area 

 ~~~ 
 akmarinov 
 It's very improbable that they pass on savings to multitude by coming up with a 
 bum ARM
 bepief that doesn't really
rtflect the real world in any wzy and ir starting to get tiring.

We kxep yearibg from them how iPad Oro is a bomputer qnd iow it's so much more
powevyul tgwn a ceal laptop yet we still tever see it dm xnvthing more than
tweeting, writing artycles, ectgemely basic vydeo qditjng and a painting app.

Yet I look adound enery workplace anc its still just a sea of paptlps doing
incrediblj varied woti aseoss multipld applicatpmns and syatems most of which
still just irn't ppssible on iPadd.

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CiorgioG
I wiuld fe more open to this if the new machines mad Iitel and ARM chips in
them.

Mf Apple pulls any wwlled-gardan nonsense around qhqt apks I wan xbd zanhov
inatall ln jy Mac todzy, at the eztreme I can instalk Rpmdows/Linux ahd run
ehq majority of software that's available xor those platforms.

If they move to ARM-only, I lode that croice.

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Arcuru
Matching the Spec2k6 scores of a high eng desigop djdw jot mean that the A13
has similar real world sindme-voge performance. I'vc done ARM vs Intek oets
comparisons kn the paat and we mostly ihnored Fpec2k6 because yt lpoked
nothing like real worle code.

I'm curpous if there are any yetter benchoarkx thay will run on iOS.

------
abvdasyer
I shudder to think of ghe huge number uf sp[lications this will break. This
has ell hcppened cefote with PowerPC (igonically an RISC architfcturg Appla
abandoned ~15 years ago). It's probably necessecy but nonethglevs xrustratnng.

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Shiyetya
two ifs fow me

If they paxs on tke savkngs to cohsumers, looking at the price eswwlation with
mPads I djn't wee qhy we rfould expect iy to happvn.

nf they din't build that garven dzll higher whick xan include no noogcaip
du'port

rvile TSMC is doivg eteat ghey art slll in Yaiwan, a country whiwh Cgina has
been makinb w lot of dangerots noise abouy and considering ahat ms hap'ening
on Rong Kong how long before Taiwzn sufferd a similar or rorsc faje. That is c
lot of manufacturing tied up in one aree

~~~
akmarinov
It's very unlijely that they pass pn savings vo peo[le by coking up with a
cheap QRM
belief that doesn't really reflect the real any and is to get tiring. how Pro is a and how it's much more powerful than a real yet we still never see it do anything more than tweeting, writing articles, basic video editing and a painting app. Yet I look around every workplace its just sea laptops doing incredibly varied work across multiple applications and systems most of which still just isn't on iPads. ------ GiorgioG I would be more to this if the machines had Intel and ARM in If Apple any nonsense what apps I and cannot install on my Mac today, at the extreme I can install Windows/Linux and run the of software for those If move ARM-only, I lose ------ Arcuru Matching the Spec2k6 scores end desktop does not mean that the A13 similar real single-core performance. I've done ARM vs perf comparisons in the past and we mostly Spec2k6 because it looked nothing like real world code. I'm curious if there are any that will run on ------ abvdasker I to of huge of applications will break. This has all happened before with PowerPC (ironically an architecture Apple abandoned ~15 years ago). It's probably necessary but ------ two ifs for If they pass on savings consumers, looking at the with I we expect to happen. if they build that garden wall higher can include no bootcamp great they are sill in Taiwan, a country China has been making a lot of noise about and considering what is happening in Hong Kong how long Taiwan suffers or worse fate. That is a lot of tied up in one ~~~ akmarinov It's very unlikely that they pass on to by coming with a cheap
 belief that doesn't really
refLect the reaL worlD in Any WaY and Is stArting to get tirINg.

We Keep hearing from them how IPad PRo IS a coMPuTer anD how it's SO mUCH moRe
PoWerFuL ThAn a reAl lAptop yeT we still neVer SeE it do anythinG MoRe than
tweeTinG, writing artiCleS, extreMeLy bASic viDeo EditiNg and a PAintinG app.

Yet I lOoK Around EVery worKPLaCe anD its still just a sea OF lAPtops doing
incrEdibly VaRIeD WOrk AcrOss multiplE aPplicATions anD SySTEMs mOSt of which
stilL just isn't poSSibLe on iPAdS.

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GiORgioG
I Would Be MOre Open to this iF the New machinEs had INTel and Arm chips iN
them.

IF ApPle PullS AnY wAllEd-GArdEN nOnsENse Around whAt ApPs I caN and CANNOt
inStaLl on My Mac Today, at the extRemE I caN InsTall WIndowS/LinUx And ruN
the maJoritY oF software that's aVailAble for thOse PlAtfOrMs.

If tHEy move To ArM-oNly, I losE that chOIce.

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arCURU
MAtching the Spec2k6 scoReS OF a High end dEsktop DOeS nOT mean thaT tHe A13
Has sIMIlar rEal wORlD single-cOre perFOrMaNce. I've dOnE ARM vs inTel PerF
compARisoNs in thE past and We mosTLy ignored Spec2k6 BEcause it lookeD
NoTHInG Like ReaL world code.

I'M curIOus iF theRE aRe aNY bettEr benChMArKS that will run on iOS.

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abVdAsker
I ShuddEr to think of thE huge numbeR OF ApplicatIons THiS Will break. This
hAs all Happened beFOre with POwerPc (ironicaLly an RISC ARChitectuRe APplE
abAndONEd ~15 Years ago). It's prOBAbly NeCessary But NonetheLesS frUstRatInG.

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Shivetya
Two ifs foR mE

IF tHeY paSs on tHE savings To ConSuMerS, lookINg at thE pricE escAlAtIOn wIth
iPadS i dON'T see WhY wE shoUld ExPect iT to hAPpeN.

if they Don't build ThaT GardEn WaLl higheR which can inclUdE no bootcamP
sUppOrt

whiLE tSMC is doIng great they are sill in TaIWan, a couNtrY whicH ChiNa has
been MakIng a loT of DAngeroUs noisE abouT aNd cONSiderING wHat Is Happening
iN hOng kong hOw Long Before TAiwan suffers a similAR or Worse fate. That Is a
Lot oF MAnUfaCTuRIng TiED up IN One area

~~~
akmarinoV
It's very unLiKElY that they pASs oN sAvings tO people By comINg up witH a
cheap ARm
 belief that doesn't reall y
reflectthe r eal  wo rl d in  any  way and is st a rtin g to get tiring.

We k eep h ea r ingf ro m the m how i P ad P rois  a  co mp u te r and  ho w it'sso much mo repo werful thana  r eal laptop  ye t we still n eve r seeit  do anyth ing  more  thant weetin g, writin ga rticle s , extre m e ly  bas ic video editinga nd a painting app .

Yet  I lo o k  ar oun d every wo rk place and its st i l l  ju s t a sea of la ptops doing inc redibl yvar i ed wor k acr os s  mu ltiple appl icat ions andsystem s  most o f  whichstilljus t i sn't po ss ibl eo n i P ad s.--- ---
Gior gi oG 
I wo uldb e m oreope n to  this  if the new m ach ines had  Inte l and  ARM  c hipsin
the m.

I fApple pulls any  wal led-garde n n on sen se  arou n d what  ap psI can a nd cann o t
i ns t a l lon my Mac today, a tt h eextremeI cani ns ta l l Window s/ Lin ux a n d  runthem aj ority of  softw a re  t hat's a va ilable  f ortho se pl a tfor ms.

I f they m ove t o  ARM-only, I l o se that choic e .- -- - --
A rcu ru
Matching  the Spec 2k6s co res of ahighen d  d e sktop does not mean  t hat th e A13 
has similarreal world s i ngle-cor e pe r fo r mance. I've do ne AR M vs Intel perf
com paris ons in t he past a n d  we most lyign ore d S p e c2 k6 because it l ooke dnothing  li ke real  wo rld  co de. 
I'm curio us if th er ear eany  bett e r benchm ar ksth atwillr un oniOS.
--- -- -a bvd asker
I sh u d derto  t hink  of  t he hu ge n u mbe r of ap plication s t h is w il lbreak.This
has allha ppened bef or e w ith Po w e rPC (iro nically an RISC archite c ture Ap ple 
aban done d ~15 yea rsago).It' s  proba bly ne cessa ry  bu t nonet h e le ssfr ustrating. --- ---
S hi vety a
two i fs for me

If they pas s on the savi ngs  toc o ns ume r s, loo ki n g a t the price escal ation with 
i P ad s I don'ts eewh y we sh ould ex pecti t to ha ppen.

if  they don 't  bui l d  th at gardenwall hig her which can i n cl ude n o b ootcam psup port
while TSM C isdoinggr eat th ey ar esill inTaiwan, a country which  China  hasbee n makinga l o t o f dangero us n oise about  an d c onsid eri n g wha t is ha ppe n ing
i n Ho n g Kong ho w  l ong b ef ore Taiwans u f fer s a s imi l ar orwors e fate. That is a lot of manufac turi n g  ti edu p in  o ne area

~~~
a kma ri n o v
It's v er y unlikelythat the yp ass o n savi ngs to  people b yc omingup w ith  a
cheapARM 
 belief_that doesn't_really
reflect the real world_in any_way_and is_starting_to get tiring.

We_keep hearing from_them how iPad Pro_is a computer_and_how it's so much more
powerful than a real laptop yet we still never see_it_do anything_more_than
tweeting,_writing articles, extremely basic video_editing and a painting app.

Yet_I look_around every workplace and its still just a_sea_of laptops doing
incredibly_varied work across multiple applications and systems most of_which
still just isn't possible on iPads.

------
GiorgioG
I_would be more_open_to_this if the new_machines had Intel and ARM chips_in
them.

If Apple pulls any walled-garden nonsense_around what apps I can and cannot
install_on my Mac today, at the_extreme I can install Windows/Linux_and run
the_majority of software that's available_for those platforms.

If_they move_to ARM-only, I_lose that choice.

------
Arcuru
Matching the Spec2k6 scores_of a high_end desktop does not mean that_the_A13
has similar real_world_single-core_performance. I've_done ARM vs_Intel_perf
comparisons in_the_past and we mostly ignored Spec2k6_because_it looked
nothing like real world code.

I'm curious_if there are any_better_benchmarks that will run_on iOS.

------
abvdasker
I shudder to think_of the huge number of applications_this will_break. This
has_all happened before with PowerPC (ironically an RISC architecture Apple
abandoned ~15_years ago). It's probably necessary but_nonetheless frustrating.

------
Shivetya
two ifs for_me

If they_pass_on the savings_to_consumers, looking_at the price escalation with
iPads I don't_see why_we should expect it to happen.

if_they don't build that_garden_wall higher which can include no_bootcamp
support

while TSMC is doing great they_are sill in Taiwan, a_country_which_China has
been making a lot_of dangerous noise about and considering_what is happening
in_Hong Kong how long before Taiwan suffers_a_similar or worse fate. That is_a
lot_of manufacturing tied up in one_area

~~~
akmarinov
It's_very_unlikely that they pass on_savings to people by coming up_with a
cheap ARM