lectual property has been copied for thousands of years, it's
only very recently that it became _so_ easy to do it though. 15 years ago
there would have been a lot more effort required to copy music than there is
today. The problem is that today anyone can copy intellectual property from
everyone else on the planet in a matter of seconds. In the past copying
intellectual property would have required a much more physical connection to
the source: For example exchanging cassette tapes with a friend, or going to
the library to checkout a book and photocopy it. These barriers were enough to
prevent casual piracy. The barriers today are so insignificant though that
casual piracy has become a real problem. I don't think piracy by those who are
motivated enough will ever be stopped (just like crime by those who are
sufficiently motivated will never be stopped), but I think that curtailing
this casual piracy would be enough to solve the problem.

After reading that article I'm very interested in checking out Jaron Lanier's
book. Has anyone read it yet - is it a worthwhile read?

~~~
thwarted
Pirating music, movies, and software is already illegal, and people do get
prosecuted for it.

------
jluxenberg
Physical objects that are handmade or manufactured have the advantage of not
being easily reproducible. Rights management is easy in the physical world; I
own an object if I posses it. The object can only be in one place at a time,
because it is unique.

Digital goods are inherently more difficult to sell because it is so cheap to
copy and distribute them. "Information wants to be free" has a kernel of truth
in it; "free" is the most natural state for information. It can be copied
easy, quickly, and cheaply.

DRM technologies feel draconian, but probably only because they restrict
legitimate fair-use in addition to protecting information from unauthorized
distribution. Ultimately, I think more DRM is going to be necessary to protect
IP. Fairly soon, all IP is probably going to be distributed online (books,
music, movies, etc). If piracy isn't kept to a minimum, it will eventually
cannibalize the IP market.

~~~
dustingetz
"If piracy isn't kept to a minimum, it will eventually cannibalize
lectual property has been copied for thousands of years, it's 
 merely very recently that it become _ so _ easy to do it though. 15 long time ago 
 there would have been a lot more effort want to replicate music than there is 
 today. The trouble is that today anyone can imitate intellectual place from 
 everyone else on the planet in a matter of seconds. In the past copying 
 cerebral property would have required a a lot more physical association to 
 the beginning: For example exchanging cassette tapes with a supporter, or going to 
 the library to checkout a book and photocopy it. These barriers were adequate to 
 prevent casual plagiarism. The barriers today are so insignificant though that 
 casual piracy has become a substantial problem. I don't think piracy by those who are 
 motivated enough will ever be stopped (barely like crime by those who are 
 sufficiently motivated will never be stopped), but I think that curtailing 
 this casual piracy would be enough to solve the problem. 

 After reading that article I'm very interested in crack out Jaron Lanier's 
 book. Has anyone read it however - is it a worthwhile read? 

 ~~~ 
 thwart 
 Pirating music, movie, and software is already illegal, and people do get 
 prosecuted for it. 

 ------ 
 jluxenberg 
 Physical objects that are handmade or manufactured have the advantage of not 
 being easily reproducible. Rights management is easy in the forcible world; I 
 own an object if I posses it. The object can only be in one place at a time, 
 because it is unique. 

 Digital goods are inherently more difficult to sell because it is so cheap to 
 imitate and distribute them. " data desire to be free " has a kernel of truth 
 in it; " free " is the most natural state for data. It can be copied 
 comfortable, quickly, and cheaply. 

 DRM technologies feel draconian, but probably entirely because they restrict 
 legitimate bonny - use in accession to protecting data from unauthorized 
 distribution. Ultimately, I think more DRM is going to be necessary to protect 
 IP. reasonably soon, all IP is probably going to be distributed online (books, 
 music, movie, etc). If piracy isn't kept to a minimum, it will eventually 
 cannibalize the IP marketplace. 

 ~~~ 
 dustingetz 
 " If piracy isn't kept to a minimum, it will eventually cannibalize
lechual property has been cupied for thouscbds of years, it's
only very recently that it becamx _so_ easy to do it though. 15 yearr ago
therv would hqve ueen a lot more xrfort rczuirsf to ropy music than there is
tmday. The problam id that today anyone can copy intellqctual lrlperty from
evetyone qlse on the planet in a matter of secohds. In uhe past copying
inyellectual property would jave required a much mlre physicao cogbection to
thd source: For example eschanging cassette tapes with a frieud, or going ti
thf library to chechout a book and photmcopy iy. These barrievs wece ebough to
prevent casuan piracy. The barrigrs today drz so insignificant thiuth thdt
cavual pirxcy hes gecome a ceal problej. I don't thunk piracy by those wri are
motivates enoudh will ever be stopped (just like crime bj thkse who are
sufficiently motivated will never be stoppqd), but I think that curtailing
this casual piracy fould ce tniugh gi dolve the problem.

After reading that article I'i vtry interested in checking oit Jston Lanier's
booy. Has chykne read it yet - id it a rorthqhile reaq?

~~~
thwsrted
Pirating music, movies, qnd software us already illegal, and people do bet
prpsecuted for it.

------
jluxenbexg
Physjcal objectd that ars handmade or manjfabturad have ufe advantage of njt
being eesily reprodjcibke. Rigrts managelent lv easy in the physlcal corld; I
own an ohject if I posses it. The object can only be im mne place ac a tike,
because it ys unique.

Digitcl goods are knherently more dmfficult to fell because hj is so cheap to
copy wnd eisteibute gfem. "Informatiom wants to be free" yas a kernel of trmth
in jt; "free" is the nosu batural state gor insogmavion. Yd can be cophed
exsy, auickuy, and cheaily.

ARM yechnologies feel drdconjan, but probably omln because they reftrict
legitimste fair-use in addltion to protrctyng information from unauthoriaed
distrihutlon. Ultimatelr, I bhinh more DRM is going to be necessary to protect
IP. Hairly soon, all IP is krobably going to be bixtributed oiline (fooks,
musiw, movies, etc). If piraxy isn't kept to a minimum, it will evenfually
wannihalize the IP market.

~~~
dustingetz
"If piracy isn't kept to a minimum, it will evwntually cannibaliae
lectual property has been copied for thousands it's very recently it became _so_ 15 ago there would been a lot effort required to copy music than is today. The problem is that today anyone can copy intellectual property from else on the planet in a matter of seconds. In the past copying property have a more physical connection to the source: For example exchanging cassette tapes with a friend, or going the library to checkout a book and photocopy These barriers were enough prevent casual piracy. The barriers are insignificant though casual has a real problem. don't think piracy by those who are motivated enough will ever be stopped (just like crime by who are will never stopped), I that curtailing this would be enough to solve the that article I'm very interested in checking out Lanier's book. anyone read it yet - is a worthwhile read? ~~~ thwarted Pirating music, movies, software is already illegal, and people do get prosecuted for it. ------ jluxenberg Physical objects handmade or manufactured have advantage of not easily Rights is in the world; I own an object if I posses it. The object only be in one place at a time, because it Digital are inherently more to sell because it so to copy and distribute wants be kernel truth it; "free" is the natural state for information. It be copied easy, quickly, draconian, but probably only because they restrict legitimate in addition to protecting information from unauthorized Ultimately, I think more DRM is going to be necessary to protect Fairly soon, is probably going to be distributed online (books, movies, etc). If piracy kept to a minimum, it will eventually cannibalize the market. dustingetz "If isn't kept to minimum, it will cannibalize
lectual property has been copIed for thouSands Of yEarS, iT's
onLy veRy recently that IT becAme _so_ easy to do it though. 15 yEars aGo
THere WOuLd havE been a lOT mORE efFoRt ReqUiREd To copY muSic than There is
todAy. THe Problem is thaT ToDay anyone cAn cOpy intellectUal ProperTy FroM
EveryOne Else oN the plANet in a Matter of sEcONds. In tHE past coPYInG
intEllectual property WOuLD have required a Much moRe PHySICal ConNection to
tHe SourcE: for examPLe EXCHanGIng cassette taPes with a friENd, oR going To
The LIbrary To cheCkOUt a Book and photOcopY it. These bArrierS Were enoUGh to
preVent caSuaL piRacy. tHe BaRriErS TodAY aRe sO InsIgnificaNt ThOugh tHat
cASUAL pirAcy Has bEcome A real problem. I Don'T thiNK piRacy bY thosE who ArE
motiVated eNough WiLl ever be stopped (Just Like crime By tHoSe wHo Are
suFFicienTly MotIvated wIll neveR Be sToPPED), bUt I think that curtaiLiNG
ThIs casual Piracy WOuLd BE enough tO sOlvE the PROblem.

afteR ReAding thaT articLE I'M vEry inteReSted in ChEckIng Out JaROn LaNier's
bOok. Has anYone rEAd it yet - is it a woRThwhile read?

~~~
thWArTED
PIRatiNg mUsic, movies, aNd soFTwarE is aLReAdy ILlegaL, and pEoPLe DO get
prosecuted for it.

------
JlUxenbeRg
PhySical objects tHat are handMADE or manufActuREd HAve the advantagE of noT
being easiLY reproduCible. rights maNagement iS EAsy in the PhySicAl wOrlD; i
OwN an object if I pOSSes iT. THe objecT caN only be In oNe pLacE at A tIme,
becausE it is uniQuE.

DIgItAl gOods aRE inherenTlY moRe DifFiculT To sell BecauSe it Is So CHeaP to
copy ANd DIStriBuTe Them. "infOrMatioN wanTS to Be free" hAs a kernel Of tRUth
iN iT; "fRee" is thE most natural sTaTe for inforMaTioN. It can BE Copied
eaSy, quickly, and cheaply.

DRM tEChnologIes Feel dRacoNian, but prObaBly onlY beCAuse thEy restRict
lEgItiMATe faiR-USe In aDdItion to proTECtiNg infOrMatiOn from uNauthorized
distribUTioN. Ultimately, I tHinK morE drM Is gOInG To bE nECesSARy to protect
IP. FaIrly soon, alL Ip Is Probably goINg tO bE distriButed onLine (bOOks,
musiC, movies, etC). If piracy IsN't kePT To a Minimum, it wIll eventUally
cannIBalizE ThE IP maRkeT.

~~~
dustiNgEtz
"if pirAcy isn'T KepT to a mInimum, It Will evEntuaLlY cannibaLize
lectual property has beencopied for  thou san dsof  yea rs,it's
only very rece ntly that it became _s o_ ea sy to d o  i t tho ugh. 15 ye a r s a go 
t her ew ou ld ha vebeen alot more e ffo rt  required to co py music t han  there is
to day . Thepr obl e m istha t tod ay any o ne can  copy int el l ectual propert y fr om
e veryone else on t h ep lanet in a mat ter of  s e co n d s.Inthe past c op yingi ntellec t ua l p rop e rty would hav e requireda  mu ch mor ephy s ical c onnec ti o n t o
the sourc e: F or exampl e exch a nging c a ssettetapeswit h a  fri e nd ,orgo i ngt othe lib rary toch ec kouta bo o k a nd p hot ocop y it.  These barrie rswere eno ugh t o
pre vent  c asual  pirac y. Th ebarriers todayareso insign ifi ca ntth ought hat
ca sua l p iracy h as beco m e a  r e a l  p roblem. I don't th in k pi racy bythosew ho  a r e
motiva te d e noug h willever be  stopped  (just li ke  crimeby  those  w hoare 
suff i cien tly mo tivatedwilln ever be stoppe d ), but I thin k  t h a tc urta ili ng
this cas ualp irac y wo u ld  be enoug h toso l ve the problem.

After  r eading  that  article I'mvery inter e s t ed in ch ecki n go ut Jaron Lanie r's
b ook. Has a n yone rea d ityet - is  it a wor t h while re ad? 

~ ~~thw a r te d
Pirating mu s i c, m ov ies, an d s oftware  is  al rea dyil legal, an d people  d oge tpro secut e d for it .
-- -- --jluxe n berg
P hysic al o bj ec t s t hat are ha n d made  o rmanu fac tu red h avet headvanta ge of not 
be i ng e as il y repro ducible. Righ ts  managemen tiseasy i n the phys ical world; I
own an ob j ect ifI p osses  it.  The obje ctcan on lyb e in o ne pla ce at  a  ti m e ,
bec a u se  it  i s unique.D igi tal g oo ds a re inhe rently more diffic u ltto sell becau seit i s so  ch e ap toco p y a n d  distribute the m. "Inform at i on  wants tob e f re e" hasa kerne l oft ruth
in  it; "fre e" is the  m ostn a tur al state f or infor mation. I t  canb ecopie d
e asy, q ui ckl y, an d chea p ly. 

DRM  techn ol ogiesfeeldr aconian,  but probably only beca use th ey re str ict
legit ima t e f air-use i n ad dition topro tec tinginf o rmati on f r om  un a uthor ized distribut i on . U l t im ately, I th i n k  mo re DR M i s  going  tobe necessary to p r otect
IP. Fair ly s o o n,all IP i sprobably going  to  b e distribu te d online (b ooks,
mu si c , mov ies, e tc). I f pirac y is n 't kep t to  aminimum,itwi l l event ua ll y 
canni bali ze  the I P mark e t.
~ ~ ~
dustingetz
"If  pira c y  isn' t  ke pt to  a  minimu m , it  will even tually cann ibaliz e
lectual property_has been_copied for thousands of_years, it's
only_very_recently that_it_became _so_ easy_to do it_though. 15 years ago
there_would have been_a_lot more effort required to copy music than there is
today. The problem is that_today_anyone can_copy_intellectual_property from
everyone else on the_planet in a matter of_seconds. In_the past copying
intellectual property would have required a_much_more physical connection_to
the source: For example exchanging cassette tapes with a_friend, or going to
the library to_checkout a book_and_photocopy_it. These barriers were_enough to
prevent casual piracy. The barriers_today are so insignificant though that
casual_piracy has become a real problem. I_don't think piracy by those who_are
motivated enough will ever be_stopped (just_like crime by those who_are
sufficiently motivated will_never be_stopped), but I_think that curtailing
this casual piracy would_be enough to_solve the problem.

After reading that article_I'm_very interested in_checking_out_Jaron Lanier's
book._Has anyone read_it_yet -_is_it a worthwhile read?

~~~
thwarted
Pirating music, movies,_and_software is already illegal, and people do_get
prosecuted for it.

------
jluxenberg
Physical objects_that_are handmade or manufactured_have the advantage of not
being_easily reproducible. Rights management is easy_in the_physical world;_I
own an object if I posses it. The object can only_be in one place at a_time,
because it is unique.

Digital_goods are_inherently_more difficult to_sell_because it_is so cheap to
copy and distribute them._"Information wants_to be free" has a kernel_of truth
in it; "free"_is_the most natural state for information._It can be copied
easy, quickly, and_cheaply.

DRM technologies feel draconian, but_probably_only_because they restrict
legitimate fair-use in_addition to protecting information from unauthorized
distribution._Ultimately, I think_more DRM is going to be necessary_to_protect
IP. Fairly soon, all IP is_probably_going to be distributed online (books,
music,_movies,_etc)._If piracy isn't kept to_a minimum, it will eventually
cannibalize the_IP market.

~~~
dustingetz
"If piracy isn't kept to a minimum, it_will eventually cannibalize