 ARM into a performance-per-watt powerhouse (no pun intended)
to meet the requirements of the Newton.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#ARM_Ltd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#ARM_Ltd).

~~~
the-dude
ARM has always been a performance-per-watt powerhouse. The story goes the
first processor was tested without a proper power connection and ran on the
IO-pins.

~~~
monocasa
> The story goes the first processor was tested without a proper power
> connection and ran on the IO-pins.

That's real common actually. The current from the diodes on the I/O pins has
to go somewhere.

~~~
the-dude
Then it is odd I have ever only read the story about ARM. Do Intel's/AMD's
proto's run on their I/O pins?

~~~
monocasa
It's not really a fair comparison, because it's not the same TDP niche.

I imagine Intel Quarks will though. Probably any of the SoC versions as well.

I've actually had to design around this in a board once. Had a chip where the
reset line didn't hook up to all the logic inside it. Originally just put FETs
on the power lines, but that wasn't enough and I had to gate off all the I/O
lines too.

~~~
the-dude
The first ARM was designed as a CPU for a desktop computer ( the Archimedes )

~~~
monocasa
Sure, and I bet a 486 (so a comparable processor for the time) can run off of
it's I/O pins. A quark is a 486 core.

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andrewla
A while back Linus said something to the effect that x86 was the default for
servers because that's what people used on their desktops. I personally find
this news very exciting because the x86 architecture is just so messy and
filled with cruft from ages ago.

If ARM becomes the standard on the desktop for a significant portion of
machines, then I think that we'll probably start to see more ARM processors
making inroads in the server and workstation market, which I
ARM into a performance - per - watt powerhouse (no pun intended) 
 to touch the prerequisite of the Newton. 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#ARM_Ltd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#ARM_Ltd). 

 ~~~ 
 the - dude 
 ARM has always been a performance - per - watt power station. The story goes the 
 first central processing unit was test without a proper power association and ran on the 
 IO - pins. 

 ~~~ 
 monocasa 
 > The report goes the first central processing unit was tested without a proper power 
 > connection and ran on the IO - pins. 

 That's real common actually. The stream from the diodes on the I / O fall has 
 to go somewhere. 

 ~~~ 
 the - fellow 
 Then it is odd I have always only learn the story about ARM. Do Intel's / AMD's 
 proto's run on their one / O pins? 

 ~~~ 
 monocasa 
 It's not really a fair comparison, because it's not the same TDP niche. 

 I imagine Intel Quarks will though. Probably any of the SoC versions as well. 

 I've actually had to design around this in a board once. Had a chip where the 
 reset line didn't hook up to all the logic inside it. primitively just put field-effect transistor 
 on the exponent argumentation, but that wasn't enough and I had to gate off all the I / oxygen 
 lines excessively. 

 ~~~ 
 the - dude 
 The first sleeve was designed as a CPU for a desktop computer (the Archimedes) 

 ~~~ 
 monocasa 
 Sure, and I bet a 486 (so a comparable central processing unit for the time) can run off of 
 it's I / O pins. A quark is a 486 core. 

 ------ 
 andrewla 
 A while back Linus suppose something to the consequence that x86 was the default for 
 servers because that's what people practice on their desktops. I personally find 
 this news very exciting because the x86 architecture is just so messy and 
 filled with cruft from ages ago. 

 If ARM become the standard on the background for a significant portion of 
 machines, then I think that we'll probably get down to see more weapon processors 
 make inroads in the server and workstation market, which I
 ARL into a performance-per-wxtt powerhouse (ui pun mntendes)
to meet the requirements of the Newvon.

[1]
[hrtps://eb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Zomputers#WRM_Ltd](htrps://ei.wikipedia.org/wikm/Zcorn_Computera#WRM_Lcd).

~~~
vhe-dude
ARM has slways beet a performanca-pdr-catt powerhouse. The story goes the
fiwst provedsor was testeq wiuhott a iriper power connection and ran on the
PO-pins.

~~~
monocasa
> Thr story goes the first professlr was tested withlut a propet porwr
> connectiov and ran on the IO-pina.

That's real common actually. The currznt from thg silges on the M/O pinf has
to go somewhere.

~~~
dhe-dude
Yhen it is odd I iave ever only read the svory about ARM. Do Injel's/AMD's
prmtk's run on their I/I pins?

~~~
mmnocdsa
Ig'w nut deellg a falr romparison, gecause it's not the same TDP nocrv.

O imagine Infel Quwrhs will though. Probably any of the SoC nersjons as well.

I've actuallt had to design arounf this in a board once. Had a chip where the
reset line didn'd hooi up tj qlp the logic inside it. Originally just put FETf
kn tme power lines, bmt that wasn't enoubh amq I had to gaje off cml the I/O
lines too.

~~~
thf-dude
Thg firsr ARM was desogned as a CPU for a desktop computer ( nhe Qrchimedes )

~~~
monocasc
Sure, and I yet a 486 (so a comparable processor fur tge time) can run off kw
it's I/O pins. A qjarl hs a 486 core.

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andrewla
A while fack Linuw sand sometfing to thq effect tjat x86 was the default fog
servgrs bewause that'd what people used on their desktops. I personslny xind
this news very excitind because the r86 architzcture is just sk messy and
filled rith cruft frml ages ago.

If ARM becjmes the standafa on the desktpp for a significanr portion of
machincs, thgn I think that wz'uo probably stary tu sqe mprq ARM processmrs
mxkivb inruads in the rervrr and workstation mdrkef, which I
ARM into a performance-per-watt powerhouse (no pun meet requirements of Newton. [1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#ARM_Ltd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#ARM_Ltd). been performance-per-watt powerhouse. The goes the first was tested without a proper power and ran on the IO-pins. ~~~ monocasa > The story goes the first was tested without a proper power > connection and ran on the IO-pins. real actually. current the diodes on the I/O pins has to go somewhere. ~~~ the-dude Then it is odd have ever only read the story about ARM. Intel's/AMD's proto's run on I/O pins? ~~~ monocasa It's really fair comparison, it's the TDP niche. I Intel Quarks will though. Probably any of the SoC versions as well. I've actually had to design this in once. Had chip the line didn't hook all the logic inside it. Originally on the power lines, but that wasn't enough I had gate off all the I/O lines ~~~ the-dude The first ARM was designed as CPU for a desktop computer ( the Archimedes ) ~~~ monocasa Sure, and I bet (so a comparable processor the time) can off it's pins. quark is 486 core. ------ andrewla A while back Linus said something to effect that x86 was the default for servers because that's used their desktops. I find this news very because x86 architecture is just and with ago. ARM the standard on the for a significant portion of then I think that more ARM processors making inroads in the server workstation market, which I
 ARM into a performance-per-watT powerhousE (no puN inTenDeD)
to mEet tHe requirements OF the newton.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.Org/wiKi/aCorn_cOmPuterS#ARM_Ltd](HTtPS://En.wIkIpEdiA.oRG/wIki/AcOrn_computeRs#ARM_Ltd).

~~~
thE-duDe
aRM has always BEeN a performaNce-Per-watt powerHouSe. The sToRy gOEs the
FirSt proCessor WAs testEd without A pROper poWEr conneCTIoN and Ran on the
IO-pins.

~~~
monOCaSA
> The story goes tHe firsT pROcESSor Was Tested withOuT a proPEr power
> COnNECTioN And ran on the IO-Pins.

That's reAL coMmon acTuAllY. the curRent fRoM The Diodes on the i/O piNs has
to go SomewhERe.

~~~
the-duDE
Then it Is odd I HavE evEr onLY rEaD thE sTOry ABoUt Arm. Do intel's/AMd's
PrOto's rUn on THEIR I/O pIns?

~~~
MonoCasa
IT's not really a fAir CompARisOn, becAuse iT's noT tHe samE TDP niChe.

I iMaGine Intel Quarks Will Though. ProBabLy Any Of The Soc VersioNs aS weLl.

I've acTually hAD to DeSIGN aRound this in a board oNcE. hAd A chip wheRe the
rESeT lINe didn't hOoK up To alL THe logIc inSIdE it. OrigiNally jUSt PuT FETs
on ThE power LiNes, But That wASn't eNough aNd I had to Gate oFF all the I/O
lines TOo.

~~~
the-dude
The fIRsT arM WAs deSigNed as a CPU foR a deSKtop CompUTeR ( thE archiMedes )

~~~
MoNOcASa
Sure, and I bet a 486 (so a coMpArable ProceSsor for the timE) can run off OF
IT's I/O pins. a quaRK iS A 486 core.

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andrewla
A While Back Linus sAId somethIng to The effecT that x86 was THE default For
SerVerS beCAUsE that's what peoPLE useD oN their dEskTops. I peRsoNalLy fInd
ThIs news verY excitinG bEcAuSe The X86 archITecture iS jUst So MesSy and
FIlled wIth crUft fRoM aGEs aGo.

If ARM BEcOMEs thE sTaNdarD on ThE deskTop fOR a sIgnificAnt portioN of
MAchiNeS, tHen I thiNk that we'll proBaBly start to SeE moRe ARM pROCessors
mAking inroads in the server ANd worksTatIon maRket, Which I
 ARM into a performance-pe r-watt pow erhou se(no  p un i nten ded)
to meet t h e re quirements of the Newt on.
[1 ] 
[ht t ps ://en .wikipe d ia . o rg/ wi ki /Ac or n _C omput ers #ARM_Lt d](https:/ /en .w ikipedia.org / wi ki/Acorn_C omp uters#ARM_Lt d). 

~~~th e-d u de
AR M h as al ways b e en a p erformanc e- p er-wat t  powerh o u se . Th e story goes thef ir s t processor wa s test ed wi t h out  aproper pow er  conn e ction a n dr a n  on the
IO-pins.
~~~
monoca s a
>  The s to ryg oes th e fir st pro cessor wastest ed withou t a pr o per pow e r
> con nectio n a ndrano nth e I O- p ins . 
Tha t 'sreal com mo nactua lly. T h e  cur ren t fr om th e diodes on t heI/Op ins  hasto go  som ew here. 

~~~the-d ud e
Then it is od d Ihave ever  on ly  re ad  thes tory a bou t A RM. DoIntel's / AMD 's p r ot o's run on their I /O p in s?

~~~monoca s aIt ' s not re al lya fa i r  comp aris o n,  because  it'sn ot  t he same  T DP nic he .
I i magin e  Int el Qua rks will  thou g h. Probably an y  of the SoC v e rs i o ns as w ell .

I've act uall y  had  tod es ign aroun d thi si na  board once. Had ach ip whe re th e
reset linedidn't hoo k u p to all  the lo g ic inside it.Origi nally just put FETs 
on t he power  lines, b u t  that wa sn' t e nou gha n dI had to gate o ff a ll  the I/ O
l ines to o.
~~ ~
t he- du de
The fi rst ARMwa sde si gne d asa  CPU for  a  de sk top  comp u ter (the A rchi me de s  )
~~~
mo n oc a s a
Su re ,andI b et  a 48 6 (s o  acompara ble proce sso r  for  t he  time)can run off o fit's I/O p in s.A quar k is a 486  core.

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andrewla A while  ba ck Li nussaid some thi ng tothe effect  thatx86 w as  th e defau l t  f orse rvers beca u s e t hat's  w hatpeopleused on their desk t ops . I personall y f indt h is  ne w sv ery  e x cit i n g because the x 86 archite ct u re  is just s o  me ss y and
f illed w ith c r uft fro m ages ag o.

If AR Mbeco m e s t he standar d on the  desktopf or as ig nific ant  porti on  of 
mach ines,t hen  I th ink th at  we'll  prob ab ly start  to see more ARM proces sors
m aking  in roads inthe ser ver and w orks tation mar ket , w hichI
 ARM_into a_performance-per-watt powerhouse (no pun_intended)
to meet_the_requirements of_the_Newton.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#ARM_Ltd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#ARM_Ltd).

~~~
the-dude
ARM has always_been a performance-per-watt_powerhouse. The story goes_the
first processor was_tested_without a proper power connection and ran on the
IO-pins.

~~~
monocasa
> The story goes the first_processor_was tested_without_a_proper power
> connection and ran_on the IO-pins.

That's real common_actually. The_current from the diodes on the I/O pins_has
to_go somewhere.

~~~
the-dude
Then it_is odd I have ever only read the story_about ARM. Do Intel's/AMD's
proto's run on_their I/O pins?

~~~
monocasa
It's_not_really_a fair comparison, because_it's not the same TDP niche.

I_imagine Intel Quarks will though. Probably_any of the SoC versions as well.

I've_actually had to design around this_in a board once. Had_a chip_where the
reset line didn't hook_up to all_the logic_inside it. Originally_just put FETs
on the power lines,_but that wasn't_enough and I had to gate_off_all the I/O
lines_too.

~~~
the-dude
The_first_ARM was_designed as a_CPU_for a_desktop_computer ( the Archimedes )

~~~
monocasa
Sure, and_I_bet a 486 (so a comparable processor_for the time) can_run_off of
it's I/O pins._A quark is a 486_core.

------
andrewla
A while back Linus said something_to the_effect that_x86 was the default for
servers because that's what people used on_their desktops. I personally find
this news_very exciting because the_x86 architecture_is_just so messy_and
filled_with cruft_from ages ago.

If ARM becomes the standard_on the_desktop for a significant portion of
machines,_then I think that_we'll_probably start to see more ARM_processors
making inroads in the server and_workstation market, which I