 of service on both platforms, so
Fortnite was removed from both the App Store and the Play Store. Epic already
knew this would happen, which is why they prepared their PR and legal teams
accordingly.

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z3t4
One reason for the duopoly is that it cost more to have your app on more
platforms. Its a disaster that for example government apps like id only works
on the latest ios or android. There are also Sailfish, FirefoxOS, bunch of
feature phone OS, and likely a lot I dont know of. The duopoly is self
inflicted by the software industry.

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Aissen
It seems Google is still using the same tactics it used to kill Skyhook (Maps
competitor on wifi location), and probably most GApps competitors: they
blocked Oneplus from bundling the Epic launcher with system permissions
(allows updates in background, like the Play Store):

[https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/08/13/google-
reportedly-b...](https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/08/13/google-reportedly-
blocked-oneplus-from-pre-installing-the-epic-games-app-on-its-phones/)

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dustinmoris
It's important to remember that Apple and Google only have a Duopoly, because
nobody else seems to be able to develop anything that is remotely appealing to
customers. Microsoft tried with their own mobile operating system many years
ago and they failed at every attempt.

If Apple was told to open its App Store they could literally just shut down
their App Store instead the next day and in a few days or weeks consumers all
around the world would put too much pressure on any legislator to revert their
changes, because not a single consumer cares about Epic, but everyone cares
about their iPhone to remain as awesome as it is today, ad part of it is
Apple's walled garden.

~~~
gizmodo59
I don’t see Apple shutting down App Store even for spite. Not sure their
operating expenses on App Store but if they reduce their cut, it won’t look
bad on the books.

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gumby
I really don’t understand the argument about Apple’s store, when Apple has
of service on both platforms, so 
 Fortnite was removed from both the App Store and the Play Store. Epic already 
 know this would find, which is why they prepared their PR and legal team 
 consequently. 

 ------ 
 z3t4 
 One reason for the duopoly is that it cost more to have your app on more 
 platforms. Its a catastrophe that for example government apps like i d merely works 
 on the latest io or android. There are also Sailfish, FirefoxOS, crowd of 
 feature phone OS, and likely a lot I do nt know of. The duopoly is self 
 inflicted by the software diligence. 

 ------ 
 Aissen 
 It seems Google is still using the like tactics it used to kill Skyhook (Maps 
 competitor on wifi placement), and probably most GApps competitors: they 
 blocked Oneplus from bundling the Epic launcher with arrangement permissions 
 (allows updates in background, like the Play Store ): 

 [ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/08/13/google- 
 reportedly - b... ](https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/08/13 / google - reportedly- 
 blocked - oneplus - from - pre - installing - the - epic - games - app - on - its - phones/) 

 ------ 
 dustinmoris 
 It's important to remember that Apple and Google only have a Duopoly, because 
 nobody else seems to be able to develop anything that is remotely appealing to 
 customers. Microsoft tried with their own fluid operating arrangement many years 
 ago and they fail at every attack. 

 If Apple was distinguish to open its App Store they could literally just exclude down 
 their App Store instead the next day and in a few days or week consumers all 
 around the world would put too much pressure on any legislator to revert their 
 changes, because not a unmarried consumer cares about Epic, but everyone cares 
 about their iPhone to remain as amazing as it is today, ad part of it is 
 Apple's walled garden. 

 ~~~ 
 gizmodo59 
 I do n’t experience Apple exclude down App Store even for spite. Not sure their 
 operating expenses on App Store but if they reduce their snub, it wo n’t look 
 bad on the books. 

 ------ 
 gumby 
 I in truth do n’t understand the argument about Apple ’s store, when Apple has
 of service on both platforos, so
Fortnite wcw remoted froj both tfe App Store and the Play Stlrw. Epix already
knew this wouud happen, which iw whb they prepared vgeir PR and lsnal tzans
accordingly.

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z3j4
One reason xor the duopolf ks that it cost more to have your app on morr
ppatforms. Its a dissfter nhct for example government apps mike id only works
on the latest ios or android. Thege are also Sailfidh, FirefoxOW, bugxh of
feature phone OS, and likely a lot I dont know of. The duopoly is szlf
inflictee vy hve software induftry.

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Aissen
It seems Gmogle ix still using bhe seme ractics it used to kinl Skyhook (Maps
comketitor on wnfi location), and probqboy movt GDpps xomoetjtpra: they
hlorked Oneplua from bundoing the Epic launcnew with system lermisfijns
(allows updates in background, like tht Plag Store):

[https://www.androidpilice.com/2020/08/13/google-
reportefly-b...](https://rww.androidpolice.com/2020/08/13/google-reportedly-
blocked-oneplus-xrom-pce-knsuaoling-gye-fpic-games-app-on-its-phones/)

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dustinmoris
It's importagf uo gemember that Appje and Googke omjy have a Duokoly, beezuae
nobody else seemd to be able to develjp amything that is remotely appealing to
cufromers. Microsoft txied with thzir owm mobole operating system mauy yeads
ago and tjey failes at every attempg.

If A[ple was told to open its Wpp Store thev could uitetally jtst shut dlwn
thchr App Store instewd thg next day and ij a few days or weeks consumers all
around the wmrlg would 'ut top much pressuwe on any legixlator co revdrt their
cganges, uecause not w single consgler cares abmut Epic, but eveeyone cxfes
about their iPhone to remain aw awesome as it is toazy, ad part of ic us
Apple's walled gafdeg.

~~~
gpzmpdj59
H don’t see A[ple shjyting down Ak' Sbord evrn for spite. Not sura thsir
operating expenxef on App Store btt if they recuce their cut, it aon’t nooy
bad pn jhe books.

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gumby
I really don’t undsrstand tje wrgument abott Aiple’f store, whzn Apple has
of service on both platforms, so Fortnite from the App and the Play would which is why prepared their PR legal teams accordingly. ------ z3t4 One for the duopoly is that it cost more to have your app on platforms. Its a disaster that for example government apps like id only works the ios android. are also Sailfish, FirefoxOS, bunch of feature phone OS, and likely a lot I dont know The duopoly is self inflicted by the software ------ Aissen It seems is still using the same it to kill (Maps on location), and probably GApps competitors: they blocked Oneplus from bundling the Epic launcher with system permissions (allows updates in background, the Play reportedly-b...](https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/08/13/google-reportedly- blocked-oneplus-from-pre-installing-the-epic-games-app-on-its-phones/) dustinmoris important remember that Apple only have a Duopoly, because nobody be able to develop anything that is remotely to customers. tried with their own mobile operating many years ago and they failed at every If Apple was told to open its App Store they could literally just shut down Store instead the next and in a days weeks all the world put too much pressure on any legislator to revert their changes, not a single consumer cares about Epic, but everyone cares iPhone remain as awesome it is today, ad of is Apple's walled garden. I see App even spite. Not sure their expenses on App Store but they reduce their cut, the books. ------ gumby I really don’t understand argument about Apple’s store, when Apple has
 of service on both platforms, sO
Fortnite wAs remOveD frOm Both The APp Store and the PLAy StOre. Epic already
knew this Would HaPPen, wHIcH is whY they prEPaRED thEiR Pr anD lEGaL teamS
acCordingLy.

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z3t4
One reaSon FoR the duopoly iS ThAt it cost moRe tO have your app On mOre
plaTfOrmS. its a dIsaSter tHat for EXample GovernmenT aPPs like ID only woRKS
oN the Latest ios or androiD. thERe are also SailfIsh, FirEfOXOs, BUncH of
Feature phoNe oS, and LIkely a lOT I DONT knOW of. The duopoly Is self
infliCTed By the sOfTwaRE indusTry.

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AiSsEN
It Seems Google Is stIll using tHe same TActics iT Used to kIll SkyHooK (MaPs
coMPeTiTor On WIfi LOcAtiON), anD probablY mOsT GAppS comPETITors: TheY
bloCked ONeplus from bunDliNg thE epiC launCher wIth sYsTem peRmissiOns
(alLoWs updates in backGrouNd, like the plaY STorE):

[hTtps://wWW.androIdpOliCe.com/2020/08/13/goOgle-
repORteDlY-B...](HTtPs://www.androidpolice.CoM/2020/08/13/GOoGle-reporTedly-
bLOcKeD-Oneplus-fRoM-prE-insTALling-The-ePIc-Games-app-On-its-pHOnEs/)

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DustinmOrIs
It's iMpOrtAnt To remEMber That ApPle and GoOgle oNLy have a Duopoly, BEcause
nobody eLSe SEEmS To be AblE to develop aNythINg thAt is REmOteLY appeAling To
CUsTOmers. Microsoft tried WiTh theiR own mObile operatinG system manY YEArs
ago anD theY FaILed at every atteMpt.

If apple was toLD to open iTs App store theY could litERAlly just ShuT doWn
tHeiR aPp store instead tHE Next DaY and in a Few Days or wEekS coNsuMerS aLl
around tHe world wOuLd PuT tOo mUch prESsure on aNy LegIsLatOr to rEVert thEir
chAngeS, bEcAUse Not a sinGLe CONsumEr CaRes aBouT EPic, buT eveRYonE cares
aBout their IPhONe to ReMaIn as aweSome as it is todAy, Ad part of it Is
appLe's walLED garden.

~~~
gIzmodo59
I don’t see Apple shutTIng down app store Even For spite. NOt sUre theIr
oPEratinG expenSes on apP StORE but iF THeY reDuCe their cut, IT Won’T look
BaD on tHe books.

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Gumby
I really don’t unDErsTand the argumeNt aBout aPPlE’s sTOrE, WheN APPle HAS
 of service on both platfo rms, so
Fo rtnit e w asre move d fr om both the Ap p  Sto re and the Play Store.  Epic  a l read y 
k new t his wou l dh a ppe n,  w hic hi swhy t hey  prepar ed their P R a nd  legal teams ac cordingly. 

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z3t4
O nereason  f ort he du opo ly is  thati t cost  more toha v e your app onm o re 
pla tforms. Its a dis a st e r that for exa mple g ov e rn m e ntapp s like idon ly wo r ks
on t h el a t est ios or androi d. There ar e  al so Sai lf ish ,  Firef oxOS,  b u nch  of
feature  pho ne OS, an d like l y a lot I dontknow o f.The  duo p ol yisse l f
i n fl ict e d b y the so ft wa re in dust r y . 
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Ais sen
I t seems Googl e i s st i llusing  thesame  t actic s it u sed t okill Skyhook (M apscompetito r o nwif ilocat i on), a ndpro bably m ost GAp p s c om p e t it ors: they
blockedOn e p lu s from b undlin g  t he Epic lau nc her  wit h syste m pe r mi ssions
( allows up da tes inba ckgrou nd , l ike  theP layStore) :

[http s://w w w.androidpolic e .com/2020/08/ 1 3/ g o og l e-
r epo rtedly-b... ](ht t ps:/ /www . an dro i dpoli ce.co m/ 2 02 0 /08/13/google-repor te dly-
b locke d-oneplus-fro m-pre-inst a l l ing-the- epic - ga m es-app-on-its- phone s/)

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dustinm orisIt's imp ortant to r emembertha t A ppl e a n d  G oogle only ha v e  a D uo poly, b eca use
nob ody  el sesee ms  to be ab le to de ve lo pan yth ing t h at is re mo tel yapp ealin g  to
cu stome rs.Mi cr o sof t tried wi t h  the ir  o wn m obi le  oper atin g  sy stem ma ny yearsago andth ey  failed  at every att em pt.

If Ap pl e w as tol d to openits App Store they coul d  litera lly  just  shu t down
th eir  App S tor e  inste ad the  next  d aya n d ina fe w d ay s or weeks c ons umers  a ll
a round t he world would put too  much pressur e o n an y le gis l at o r t or eve r t  their
changes,  because n ot asingle con s ume rcares a bout Ep ic, b u t every one cares 
about th ei r iP h o neto remainas aweso me as iti s tod a y,  ad p art  of it  i s
A pple' s wall e d g arden .

~~~ 
g izmodo 59
Ido n’t seeApple shutting down App  Store  even  fo r spite.Not sur e their
o pera ting expen ses  on  AppSto r e but  ift he y r e ducethei r  cut, itw on ’tl o ok 
bad on the b o oks .

-- --- - 
gumby 
I r eally don’t under s tand the argum enta b out  Ap p le’s  s tore, when App leha s 
 of_service on_both platforms, so
Fortnite was_removed from_both_the App_Store_and the Play_Store. Epic already
knew_this would happen, which_is why they_prepared_their PR and legal teams
accordingly.

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z3t4
One reason for the duopoly is that it cost more_to_have your_app_on_more
platforms. Its a disaster that_for example government apps like_id only_works
on the latest ios or android. There are_also_Sailfish, FirefoxOS, bunch_of
feature phone OS, and likely a lot I dont_know of. The duopoly is self
inflicted_by the software_industry.

------
Aissen
It_seems_Google is still using_the same tactics it used to_kill Skyhook (Maps
competitor on wifi location),_and probably most GApps competitors: they
blocked Oneplus_from bundling the Epic launcher with_system permissions
(allows updates in background,_like the_Play Store):

[https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/08/13/google-
reportedly-b...](https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/08/13/google-reportedly-
blocked-oneplus-from-pre-installing-the-epic-games-app-on-its-phones/)

------
dustinmoris
It's important to remember_that Apple and_Google only_have a Duopoly,_because
nobody else seems to be able_to develop anything_that is remotely appealing to
customers. Microsoft_tried_with their own_mobile_operating_system many_years
ago and they_failed_at every_attempt.

If_Apple was told to open its_App_Store they could literally just shut down
their_App Store instead the_next_day and in a_few days or weeks consumers_all
around the world would put too_much pressure_on any_legislator to revert their
changes, because not a single consumer cares about_Epic, but everyone cares
about their iPhone_to remain as awesome_as it_is_today, ad part_of_it is
Apple's_walled garden.

~~~
gizmodo59
I don’t see Apple shutting down_App Store_even for spite. Not sure their
operating_expenses on App Store_but_if they reduce their cut, it_won’t look
bad on the books.

------
gumby
I really_don’t understand the argument about_Apple’s_store,_when Apple has