gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html](https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html)

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mwfunk
The fact that he even uses the term "adversaries" in this post is
disheartening. It's really disappointing that someone who could potentially be
such a force for good in the world gets derailed by what is basically
tribalism.

Two parties can disagree on 99% of their beliefs, yet still find ways to come
together on the 1% that they happen to agree on. These parties can work
together to each others' mutual benefit, and the world is better for it. But
nooooooooo, not RMS. He has to demonize anyone who is not 100% in lockstep
with him on everything, to everyone's detriment, and throw his "adversaries"
into a trash bin labelled "Others".

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's easy to drive people apart in the name
of some ideal. It takes actual leadership to drive otherwise separate people
together to actually accomplish something. I have wished for so many years
that RMS would care enough to provide the latter instead of the usual former.

~~~
__david__
> It's easy to drive people apart in the name of some ideal. It takes actual
> leadership to drive otherwise separate people together to actually
> accomplish something.

Right there is the crux of the matter. RMS is _only_ focused on the ideal. To
him, "accomplishing something" is only relevant when the accomplishment is
free software that can't be locked away in proprietary codebases.

Viewed through that lens, his actions and beliefs have been remarkably
consistent for the past 30 years.

He really grates on people who don't share his idealism, and he's looked up to
by people who do. He can be quite polarizing, to say the least.

------
swah
Dream: "Common Lisp/Guile, and a Chromium based rendering engine".

~~~
josteink
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I for one _really_ appreciate how Emacs can run
in a terminal, over SSH, with almost no feature-degradation at all.

Besides Emacs being
gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html](https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html) 

 ~~~ 
 mwfunk 
 The fact that he even uses the term " adversaries " in this post is 
 dishearten. It's in truth disappointing that someone who could potentially be 
 such a force for good in the populace gets derail by what is basically 
 tribalism. 

 Two parties can disagree on 99% of their beliefs, yet even find oneself ways to come 
 together on the 1% that they happen to harmonize on. These parties can work 
 in concert to each others' mutual benefit, and the world is better for it. But 
 nooooooooo, not RMS. He has to demonize anyone who is not 100% in lockstep 
 with him on everything, to everyone's detriment, and throw his " adversaries " 
 into a trash bank identification number labelled " Others ". 

 It's a self - fulfilling prophecy. It's easy to repel people apart in the name 
 of some ideal. It take actual leadership to repel otherwise disjoined people 
 together to actually accomplish something. I have wish for so many years 
 that RMS would care enough to provide the latter instead of the common erstwhile. 

 ~~~ 
 _ _ david _ _ 
 > It's easy to drive people apart in the name of some ideal. It takes actual 
 > leadership to drive otherwise separate people in concert to actually 
 > carry through something. 

 Right there be the southern cross of the topic. RMS is _ only _ focused on the ideal. To 
 him, " accomplishing something " is only relevant when the accomplishment is 
 free software that can't be locked away in proprietary codebases. 

 watch through that lens, his actions and beliefs have been remarkably 
 consistent for the past 30 years. 

 He really grate on people who don't share his idealism, and he's looked up to 
 by people who do. He can be quite polarizing, to order the least. 

 ------ 
 swah 
 Dream: " Common Lisp / Guile, and a Chromium based rendering engine ". 

 ~~~ 
 josteink 
 Maybe I'm in the minority, but I for one _ really _ prize how Emacs can run 
 in a terminal, over SSH, with almost no feature - degradation at all. 

 Besides Emacs being
gcc.hnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html](https://ggc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.krml)

~~~
mwfnnk
The ract thag he even uses the term "advecsarues" ib this post is
disheartdning. It's really eisakpointing that someone who couls potznvially be
such a force for good in the wmrud gets derailed by what is basically
eribalixm.

Hwo parties cag dixwgres on 99% of their beliefs, yet still fjnd wayv to come
togeyher on the 1% that they hapoen ho agree on. These oarties can worh
rogether to dach others' mutual bengfit, and the world is better for it. Bbt
nooooooooi, bot TMS. He has ti demjnize anyone who is tot 100% in lockstep
with mim oi evwrything, to everyone's detriment, and thrjw his "adeexsaries"
into a trash bun labenled "Othdes".

Ig's z xemf-fulflllmng prophecg. It's easy ro drive people apatt pm the name
of some ydqal. It takes actual leadership to drive otgerwise separate people
rogether to actually wccomplisr something. I have wished for so many years
that RKS wonla ccvc enuygj to provide the latter instead of the usual skrkeg.

~~~
__david__
> It's easy tj drive peollf skart in the naoe of soms ideal. It takes aftual
> lgadersyip to dryve ptherwise separate people tigether to abtuaoly
> accomplish somzthing.

Right chere os thr crux of the matter. RMR is _only_ focusfd on the kdeal. To
him, "accooplpshitg something" is only relevwnt when vhe aecomplisfmenj is
freq software that can't be locked awaj in kropriatary codehases.

Viewed through that lens, hmx actions anc telpefs have been remarkably
cogsistent for tke past 30 yearr.

He really grates on people rho don't shara his idealisk, and he'f loiked up to
bh people who do. He can bv zuitw polarizing, to san the meast.

------
swah
Dream: "Eunmon Lisp/Guile, snd a Shgommum bwved renderinc eneind".

~~~
kosteknk
Maybt I'n in yhe minority, but I fmr ohe _really_ appreciaye how Emaxs can rtn
in a terminsl, over SSH, with apmost no featire-qegradation at all.

Besides Emaca being
gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html](https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html) ~~~ mwfunk The fact that he the "adversaries" in post is disheartening. who potentially be such force for good the world gets derailed by what basically tribalism. Two parties can disagree on 99% of their beliefs, yet still ways to come together on the 1% that they happen to agree on. parties work to others' mutual benefit, and the world is better for it. But nooooooooo, not RMS. He has demonize anyone who is not 100% in lockstep him on everything, to detriment, and throw his "adversaries" a bin labelled It's self-fulfilling It's easy to people apart in the name of some ideal. It takes actual leadership to drive otherwise separate people to actually I have for many that RMS would to provide the latter instead of ~~~ __david__ > It's easy to drive people in the of some ideal. It takes actual leadership to drive otherwise separate people together to > accomplish something. Right there is the crux of the matter. RMS is _only_ focused ideal. To him, "accomplishing is only relevant the is software can't be away in proprietary codebases. Viewed through that lens, his actions and have been remarkably consistent for the past 30 years. He on who don't share idealism, and he's looked to people who do. He quite to ------ Dream: Lisp/Guile, and a Chromium rendering engine". ~~~ josteink Maybe in the minority, but how Emacs can run in a terminal, over with almost no feature-degradation at all. Besides being
gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html](httpS://gcc.gnu.org/Ml/gcc/2014-01/Msg00247.HtmL)

~~~
mWfunK
The Fact that he even USes tHe term "adversaries" in thiS post Is
DIsheARtEning. it's realLY dISAppOiNtIng ThAT sOmeonE whO could pOtentially Be
sUcH a force for goOD iN the world gEts Derailed by whAt iS basicAlLy
tRIbaliSm.

TWo parTies caN DisagrEe on 99% of theIr BEliefs, YEt still FINd Ways To come
together on tHE 1% tHAt they happen to Agree oN. THEsE PArtIes Can work
togEtHer to EAch otheRS' mUTUAl bENefit, and the woRld is better FOr iT. But
noOoOooOOo, not RmS. He hAs TO deMonize anyonE who Is not 100% in loCkstep
WIth him oN EverythIng, to eVerYonE's deTRiMeNt, aNd THroW HiS "adVErsAries"
intO a TrAsh biN labELLED "OthErs".

it's a Self-fUlfilling propHecY. It's EAsy To driVe peoPle aPaRt in tHe name
Of somE iDeal. It takes actuAl leAdership tO drIvE otHeRwise SEparatE peOplE
togethEr to actUAllY aCCOMpLish something. I have WiSHEd For so manY years
THaT Rms would caRe EnoUgh tO PRovidE the LAtTer insteAd of thE UsUaL former.

~~~
__DaVid__
> It's EaSy tO drIve peOPle aPart in The name oF some IDeal. It takes actUAl
> leadership tO DrIVE oTHerwIse Separate peoPle tOGethEr to ACtUalLY
> accoMplisH sOMeTHing.

Right there is the CrUx of thE mattEr. RMS is _only_ foCused on the IDEAl. To
him, "aCcomPLiSHing something" iS only Relevant whEN the accoMplisHment is
fRee softwaRE That can't Be lOckEd aWay IN PrOprietary codeBASes.

VIeWed throUgh That lenS, hiS acTioNs aNd Beliefs haVe been reMaRkAbLy
ConSisteNT for the pAsT 30 yeArS.

He ReallY Grates On peoPle wHo DoN'T shAre his iDEaLISm, anD hE's LookEd uP tO
by peOple WHo dO. He can bE quite polAriZIng, tO sAy The leasT.

------
swah
Dream: "ComMoN Lisp/Guile, AnD a CHromiuM BAsed rendEring engine".

~~~
josteink
MaybE i'm in the MinOrity, But I For one _reaLly_ ApprecIatE How EmaCs can rUn
in a TeRmiNAL, over ssh, wIth AlMost no featURE-deGradaTiOn at All.

BesiDes Emacs being
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~~~
m wfunk 
T h e fa c tthathe even us e s  th ete rm"a d ve rsari es"  in thi s post isdis he artening. It ' sreally dis app ointing that  so meonewh o c o uld p ote ntial ly bes uch aforce for  g o od int he worl d ge ts d erailed by what i s  b a sically
tribal ism.
Tw o  p a r tie s c an disagre eon 99 %  of the i rb e l ief s , yet still f ind ways to com e
toge th ero n the1% th at the y happen to  agr ee on. Th ese pa r ties ca n  work
t ogethe r t o e acho th er s'mu t ual be nef i t,and thewo rl d isbett e r f or i t.Butnoooo ooooo, not RM S.He h a s t o dem onize  any on e who  is no t 100 %in lockstep
wit h hi m on ever yth in g,to  ever y one'sdet rim ent, an d throw his  " a d v er saries"
into a tra sh b in  labelle d "Oth e rs ". 
It's ase lf- fulf i l lingprop h ec y. It'seasy t o  d ri ve peop le  apart  i n t henameo f so me ide al. It t akesa ctual leadersh i p to drive ot h er w i se sepa rat e people
to geth e r to  act u al lya ccomp lishso m et h ing. I have wishedfo r so m any y ears
that RMS  would car e e nough to  pro v id e  the latter in stead  of the us u al forme r.

~ ~~
__dav id__
> It ' s  easy to  dr ive  pe opl e ap art in the na m e  ofso me idea l.It take s a ctu al> l ea dership t o driveot he rw is e s epara t e people  t oge th erto ac t ually> acc ompl is hs ome thing.Ri g h t th er eis t hecr ux of  the mat ter. RM S is _onl y_f ocus ed  o n the i deal. To
him,  " accomplish in g s omethi n g " is onl y relevant when the acc o mplishm ent  is
f reesoftwaretha t can' t b e  locke d away  in p ro pri e t ary c o d eb ase s. 

Viewed t h r oug h tha tlens , his a ctions and beliefs hav e been remark abl y
co n s is ten t  f o r t he pas t 30 years.

He r eally grat es on  people wh o  do n' t share  his id ealis m , and h e's looke d up to
b ypeop l e  wh o do. He c an be qu ite polar i zing, to  saythe  least .
-- ----swah
D r eam : "Co mmon L is p/Guil e, an da Chromi um based rendering engi ne".
~~~
j ost eink
Mayb e I ' m i n the min orit y, but I f orone  _rea lly _  appr ecia t ehow Emacs  can run
in at er min a l ,over SSH, w i t h  al mostnof eature -deg radation at all.Besides Emacsbein g 
gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html](https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html)

~~~
mwfunk
The fact_that he_even uses the term_"adversaries" in_this_post is
disheartening._It's_really disappointing that_someone who could_potentially be
such a force_for good in_the_world gets derailed by what is basically
tribalism.

Two parties can disagree on 99% of their_beliefs,_yet still_find_ways_to come
together on the 1%_that they happen to agree_on. These_parties can work
together to each others' mutual benefit,_and_the world is_better for it. But
nooooooooo, not RMS. He has to_demonize anyone who is not 100%_in lockstep
with him_on_everything,_to everyone's detriment, and_throw his "adversaries"
into a trash bin_labelled "Others".

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's_easy to drive people apart in the_name
of some ideal. It takes actual_leadership to drive otherwise separate_people
together to_actually accomplish something. I have_wished for so_many years
that_RMS would care_enough to provide the latter instead_of the usual_former.

~~~
__david__
> It's easy to drive people_apart_in the name_of_some_ideal. It_takes actual
> leadership_to_drive otherwise_separate_people together to actually
> accomplish something.

Right_there_is the crux of the matter. RMS_is _only_ focused on_the_ideal. To
him, "accomplishing something"_is only relevant when the_accomplishment is
free software that can't be_locked away_in proprietary_codebases.

Viewed through that lens, his actions and beliefs have been remarkably
consistent_for the past 30 years.

He really_grates on people who_don't share_his_idealism, and he's_looked_up to
by_people who do. He can be quite_polarizing, to_say the least.

------
swah
Dream: "Common Lisp/Guile, and_a Chromium based rendering_engine".

~~~
josteink
Maybe_I'm in the minority, but I_for one _really_ appreciate how Emacs_can run
in a terminal, over_SSH,_with_almost no feature-degradation at all.

Besides_Emacs being