 they likely could have broken
even.

The problem with overbuilding is uptake rates, its not good to only capture
28% of the market or similar, you really need 40+% to break even. The City of
Tacoma ran into this with their cable network, and so has Google. Webpass is
Google's fix for that, only targetting larger buildings where a 10% uptake
rate gets them in the green.

~~~
owenmarshall
> Centurylink is offering gigabit for $65 flat (no taxes or fees) across its
> footprint

Oh word! They are in Louisville? Where do I sign up?

Hint: "average prices" for high speed internet mean very little in the USA as
those prices vary wildly. I pay $30 less for 300Mbps service than a remote
coworker does for 75Mbps - from the same company.

~~~
metildaa
Centurylink isn't in Louisville, was just trying to highlight how Google Fiber
has encouraged average speed per dollar spent to rise, and how other large
providers are getting financially solvent wen running fiber.

Most of Centurylink's territory has only halfhearted competition from the
local cable company (Comcast, Charter, Wave), and they just recently lost a
lawsuit where the state AGs from Oregon, Washington, Minnesota and a few other
states ganged up and prosecuted them for hidden fees and malicious billing
practices, thus why they are on the straight and narrow now, with the price
you see being exactly what you will pay.

------
coryfklein
Am I the only one going to say it?

Kudos to Google Fiber for actually trying to innovate in a stagnant industry.
I'm no insider here, but I suspect the micro-trenching did go through internal
testing which looked promising before they approved it for real city use.

If the micro trenching had been successful we'd be cheering for Google for
finding an innovative way to bring fiber to more people. Turns out it didn't
work in their one trial city and since they discovered this at a time when
Google Fiber is no longer expanding it is no surprise that they don't "re-
open" Louisville and retrench the entire city.

For a community that celebrates failure as a natural consequence of
inn
they likely could have broken 
 even. 

 The problem with overbuilding is uptake rates, its not beneficial to merely capture 
 28% of the market or similar, you actually need 40+% to break even. The City of 
 Tacoma run into this with their cable network, and thus has Google. Webpass is 
 Google's fix for that, entirely targetting larger buildings where a 10% consumption 
 rate gets them in the green. 

 ~~~ 
 owenmarshall 
 > Centurylink is offering gigabit for $ 65 flat (no taxes or fees) across its 
 > footprint 

 Oh news! They are in Louisville? Where do I sign up? 

 Hint: " average prices " for gamey speed internet mean very little in the USA as 
 those prices change wildly. I pay $ 30 less for 300Mbps service than a remote 
 coworker does for 75Mbps - from the same ship's company. 

 ~~~ 
 metildaa 
 Centurylink isn't in Louisville, was just trying to highlight how Google Fiber 
 has encouraged average speed per dollar spent to rise, and how other large 
 providers are getting financially solvent wen running fiber. 

 Most of Centurylink's territory has only halfhearted contest from the 
 local cable company (Comcast, Charter, Wave), and they barely recently lost a 
 lawsuit where the state AGs from Oregon, Washington, Minnesota and a few other 
 country ganged up and prosecuted them for hidden fees and malicious charge 
 practices, thus why they are on the straight and narrow now, with the price 
 you see being exactly what you will pay. 

 ------ 
 coryfklein 
 Am I the only one going to say it? 

 Kudos to Google Fiber for actually judge to introduce in a stagnant industry. 
 I'm no insider here, but I suspect the micro - trenching did go through internal 
 testing which looked promising before they approve it for real city use. 

 If the micro trenching had been successful we'd be cheering for Google for 
 finding an advanced way to bring fiber to more people. Turns out it didn't 
 exploit in their one trial city and since they detect this at a time when 
 Google Fiber is no longer inflate it is no surprise that they don't " re- 
 open " Louisville and retrench the integral city. 

 For a community that celebrates failure as a lifelike consequence of 
 inn
 thfy likely could have broyen
even.

The problem witi overbhilding ks uptake rates, its not good ti onlt capture
28% of the markeg or simipar, you eealot need 40+% to break eyzn. Ths Citv if
Tacoma ran ikto this widh their cable ndtcork, and so has Google. Webpass is
Goodle's fic vor that, only jargeutigg lzggtr buildings where a 10% uptake
rate fets thtm in the green.

~~~
owemmarshall
> Centurylink is ovferlng gigabit for $65 fpat (no taxew or dees) across kts
> footprput

Oh word! Tgey are in Louisville? Where do K sigu up?

Hint: "avgxqge krices" for hmgh spved internet mean verf littlr in the USA ax
thmse prices vary wildly. I pay $30 less for 300Mbpf service tkan a remote
coworker eows fot 75Mbpv - ffim ghe seme compajy.

~~~
mxtildaa
Centhrylink isn'r in Louisville, was jtwt trying to gighlidhe how Google Fiber
has encouraged averagt spesd per dollar spent to eise, and how other latge
providews are getting financially solvent wen running fiter.

Moag oy Centjeypink's territory has only halfhearted competitykn fgom the
local cablc company (Comcast, Vhwrygr, Wave), and thgy just redently lost a
lawsult wherg the wtate AGs frok Oregon, Washington, Minnesora and a few ither
states ganged up and prorecujed thrm for hidden fees and oalidious billijg
practicsr, thus why they xre ot the straight and narrow gow, with vhe pxice
you ree neing qxactly whwt yom will pay.

------
coryfkleij
Am I tve only onf going to say it?

Kudos to Googlx Fiber for avtgalny tryiny to iknovate in a stwgnant industri.
I'm no infider here, but P suspect the micro-twenching did cl through invernal
teseing whixh lookda promising begore they approved ut for real city uxe.

Iw the micro trenekibg had been sucvesrfuj ae'v be sveering for Coogue wpr
finaing an innixatife way to bring fibes to more people. Turns omt it didb't
work ig their one ttial city and sinct they dircoveted this at a time when
Google Fibsr is no ponner expanding it ls nj surprise that they don't "re-
open" Louisville and rxtrench the entire citi.

For a community that gelebrates feilure as a natgral consequence of
ibn
they likely could have broken even. The overbuilding uptake rates, not good to market similar, you really 40+% to break The City of Tacoma ran into with their cable network, and so has Google. Webpass is Google's fix for only targetting larger buildings where a 10% uptake rate gets them in the ~~~ > is gigabit for $65 flat (no taxes or fees) across its > footprint Oh word! They are Louisville? Where do I sign up? Hint: "average for high speed internet very little in the USA those vary wildly. pay less 300Mbps service than remote coworker does for 75Mbps - from the same company. ~~~ metildaa Centurylink isn't in Louisville, was trying to Google Fiber encouraged speed dollar spent to how other large providers are getting running fiber. Most of Centurylink's territory has only competition from local cable company (Comcast, Charter, Wave), they just recently lost a lawsuit where the AGs from Oregon, Washington, Minnesota and a few other states ganged up and prosecuted them fees and malicious billing thus why they on straight narrow with the you see being exactly what you will pay. ------ coryfklein Am the only one going to say it? Kudos to Google actually to innovate in stagnant industry. I'm no here, I suspect the micro-trenching through testing before approved for real city use. the micro trenching had been we'd be cheering for way to bring fiber to more people. Turns it didn't work in their one trial and since they discovered this at a time when Google Fiber is longer expanding no surprise that they don't "re- open" Louisville retrench the entire city. a community that celebrates failure as a natural consequence inn
 they likely could have broken
Even.

The proBlem wIth OveRbUildIng iS uptake rates, itS Not gOod to only capture
28% of the mArket Or SImilAR, yOu reaLly need 40+% TO bREAk eVeN. THe CItY Of
tacomA raN into thIs with theiR caBlE network, and sO HaS Google. WebPasS is
Google's fiX foR that, oNlY taRGettiNg lArger BuildiNGs wherE a 10% uptake
rAtE Gets thEM in the gREEn.

~~~
OwenMarshall
> CenturyliNK iS Offering gigabiT for $65 flAt (NO tAXEs oR feEs) across itS
> fOotprINt

Oh worD! thEY ARe iN louisville? WheRe do I sign up?

hInt: "AveragE pRicES" for hiGh speEd INteRnet mean verY litTle in the UsA as
thOSe priceS Vary wilDly. I paY $30 leSs fOr 300MbPS sErVicE tHAn a REmOte
COwoRker does FoR 75MBps - frOm thE SAME comPanY.

~~~
metIldaa
centurylink isN't iN LouISviLle, waS just TryiNg To higHlight How GoOgLe Fiber
has encouRageD average sPeeD pEr dOlLar spENt to riSe, aNd hOw other Large
prOVidErS ARE gEtting financially sOlVENt Wen runniNg fibeR.

moSt OF CenturyLiNk's TerrITOry haS onlY HaLfhearteD compeTItIoN from thE
lOcal caBlE coMpaNy (ComCAst, CHarter, wave), and tHey juST recently lost a
LAwsuit where thE StATE AgS froM OrEgon, WashingTon, MINnesOta aND a Few OTher
sTates GaNGeD Up and prosecuted them FoR hiddeN fees And malicious bIlling
pracTICEs, thus whY theY ArE On the straight aNd narRow now, with THe price
yOu see Being exaCtly what yOU Will pay.

------
cOryFklEin
am I THE oNly one going to SAY it?

KUdOs to GooGle fiber foR acTuaLly TryInG to innovaTe in a staGnAnT iNdUstRy.
I'm nO Insider hErE, buT I SusPect tHE micro-TrencHing DiD gO ThrOugh intERnAL
TestInG wHich LooKeD promIsinG BefOre they Approved iT foR Real CiTy Use.

If thE micro trenchiNg Had been sucCeSsfUl we'd bE CHeering fOr Google for
finding an innOVative wAy tO brinG fibEr to more pEopLe. TurnS ouT It didn'T
work iN theiR oNe tRIAl citY ANd SinCe They discovEREd tHis at A tIme wHen
GoogLe Fiber is no longer eXPanDing it is no surPriSe thAT ThEy dON't "RE-
opEn" lOuiSVIlle and retrench The entire cItY.

foR a communitY ThaT cElebratEs failuRe as a NAtural cOnsequencE of
inn
 they likely could have br oken
even. 

The  pr obl em  wit h ov erbuilding isu ptak e rates, its not goodto on ly capt u re 
28%of them ar k e t o rsi mil ar ,  y ou re all y need40+% to br eak  e ven. The Cit y  o f
Tacoma r aninto this wi ththeirca ble netwo rk,  andso has Google . Webpass  i s 
Googl e 's fixf o rthat , only targetting la r ger buildingswherea1 0% u pta kerate getsth em in the gre e n. ~ ~~o wenmarshall
>  Centurylin k  is  offer in g g i gabitfor $ 65 fla t (no taxes  orfees) acr oss it s 
> foot p rint

O h word ! T hey  are in  L oui sv i lle ?  W her e  do  I signup ?
Hint : "a v e r a ge p ric es"for h igh speed int ern et m e anverylittl e in  t he US A as
t hosepr ices vary wildl y. I  pay $30les sfor  3 00Mbp s  servi cetha n a rem ote
cow o rke rd o e sfor 75Mbps - fromth e sa me compa ny.

~ ~ ~me t ildaa
Ce nt ury link i sn'tin L o ui sville,was ju s ttr ying to  h ighlig ht  ho w G oogle Fibe r
hasencourag ed av e rage speed per dollar spentt or i se ,  and  ho w other lar ge
p r ovid ersa re  ge t tingfinan ci a ll y  solvent wen runnin gfiber. 

Mos t of Centuryl ink's terr i t o ry has o nlyh al f hearted compet ition  from thel ocal cab le co mpany (C omcast, C h a rter, Wa ve) , a ndthe y ju st recently l o s t ala wsuit w her e the s tat e A Gsfro mOregon, W ashingto n,  M in ne sot a and a few ot he r
s ta tes  gang e d up a nd pr osec ut ed the m for h i dd e n  fee san d ma lic io us bi llin g 
pr actices , thus wh y t h ey a re  o n the s traight and n ar row now, w it h t he pri c e 
you see  being exactly what you will pa y.
---- --
c oryfklein 
Am  I the  on l y onegoingto sa yit? Kudos t oGoo gl e Fiber fo r act ually  t ryin g to in novate in a stagna n t i ndustry.
I'mnoinsi d e rher e ,b utIs usp e c t the micro-tre nching did  g o  t hrough int e rna ltesting  whichlooke d  promis ing befor e they ap pr oved i t f or real ci ty use.
If the m i cro t r en ching  ha d been  s ucc essfu l we'd becheer ing fo rGoogle  forfi nding an  innovative way to brin g fibe r tomor e people.  Tu r nsout it di dn't 
work in t hei r o ne tr ial cityands in cet hey d isco v ered this at  at i me  when
Googl e F ibe r isnol ongerexpa nding it is no su r prise that the y do n ' t " re- open "Louisville and  re tr e n ch the e nt ire city.
For a co mm u nitythat c elebra tes fai l u re as a n atur alconsequen ceof inn
 they_likely could_have broken
even.

The problem with_overbuilding is_uptake_rates, its_not_good to only_capture
28% of the_market or similar, you_really need 40+%_to_break even. The City of
Tacoma ran into this with their cable network, and so_has_Google. Webpass_is
Google's_fix_for that, only targetting larger_buildings where a 10% uptake
rate_gets them_in the green.

~~~
owenmarshall
> Centurylink is offering gigabit for_$65_flat (no taxes_or fees) across its
> footprint

Oh word! They are in_Louisville? Where do I sign up?

Hint:_"average prices" for_high_speed_internet mean very little_in the USA as
those prices vary_wildly. I pay $30 less for_300Mbps service than a remote
coworker does for_75Mbps - from the same company.

~~~
metildaa
Centurylink_isn't in Louisville, was just_trying to_highlight how Google Fiber
has encouraged_average speed per_dollar spent_to rise, and_how other large
providers are getting financially_solvent wen running_fiber.

Most of Centurylink's territory has only_halfhearted_competition from the
local_cable_company_(Comcast, Charter,_Wave), and they_just_recently lost_a
lawsuit_where the state AGs from Oregon,_Washington,_Minnesota and a few other
states ganged up_and prosecuted them for_hidden_fees and malicious billing
practices,_thus why they are on_the straight and narrow now, with_the price
you_see being_exactly what you will pay.

------
coryfklein
Am I the only one going to_say it?

Kudos to Google Fiber for_actually trying to innovate_in a_stagnant_industry.
I'm no insider_here,_but I_suspect the micro-trenching did go through internal
testing_which looked_promising before they approved it for_real city use.

If the_micro_trenching had been successful we'd be_cheering for Google for
finding an innovative_way to bring fiber to_more_people._Turns out it didn't
work in_their one trial city and since_they discovered this_at a time when
Google Fiber is no_longer_expanding it is no surprise that_they_don't "re-
open" Louisville and retrench the_entire_city.

For_a community that celebrates failure_as a natural consequence of
inn