 anybody questioned the Super Micro narrative, even tho
that Bloomberg story was super sketchy from the very beginning by not
disclosing who did that audit, just like their inability to produce a sample
of the chip.

Trump also never "bounced" on China, China is pretty much the only thing he
doesn't bounce on, it's been his one constant since the election [0] and just
because he throws an "I love China" in there, does not reflect or change any
of his policy decisions. This is much more "I love my enemies because they are
so stupid" posturing [1] than an declaration of actual sympathies.

[0]
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs)

[1] [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/10-times-trump-attacked-
chin...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/10-times-trump-attacked-china-trade-
relations-us/story?id=46572567)

------
netsa
I think the root cause is because of China has no human-rights.

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adinobro
How is this any different to the NSA and Chinese companies?

We already know the NSA did this to Huawei for multiple years.

~~~
wpasc
One could make the case that Chinese businesses and governments have a tighter
relationship where the fruits of such hacking could be used to benefit
businesses. While the NSA/other US gov agencies may be hacking chinese
companies, I have yet to see any indication that it is done for the purposes
of IP theft and/or anything is being shared with US businesses.

~~~
hansjorg
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-
europe-32542140](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140)

~~~
Mindless2112
"[Checking] whether European companies were breaking trade embargos" is not
the same as government-assisted industrial espionage.

~~~
hansjorg
The EU claims information obtained by the US government was fed to amongst
anybody questioned the Super Micro narrative, even tho 
 that Bloomberg story was super sketchy from the very beginning by not 
 unwrap who did that audited account, just like their inability to produce a sample distribution 
 of the chip. 

 Trump besides never " bounced " on China, China is pretty a lot the only thing he 
 doesn't bounce on, it's been his one constant since the election [ 0 ] and merely 
 because he throws an " I love China " in there, does not chew over or change any 
 of his policy decisions. This is much more " I love my enemy because they are 
 so stupid " posturing [ 1 ] than an declaration of actual sympathies. 

 [ 0 ] 
 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs) 

 [ 1 ] [ https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/10-times-trump-attacked- 
 chin... ](https://abcnews.go.com / Politics/10 - times - cornet - attacked - china - trade- 
 relations - us / story?id=46572567) 

 ------ 
 netsa 
 I think the solution cause is because of China has no homo - rights. 

 ------ 
 adinobro 
 How is this any unlike to the NSA and Chinese companies? 

 We already know the NSA did this to Huawei for multiple years. 

 ~~~ 
 wpasc 
 One could make the shell that Chinese businesses and governments have a tighter 
 relationship where the fruits of such hacking could be used to benefit 
 businesses. While the NSA / other US gov agencies may be hacking chinese 
 companies, I have yet to see any reading that it is act for the purposes 
 of IP larceny and/or anything is being partake with US clientele. 

 ~~~ 
 hansjorg 
 [ https://www.bbc.com/news/world- 
 europe-32542140](https://www.bbc.com / news / world - europe-32542140) 

 ~~~ 
 Mindless2112 
 " [ Checking ] whether European party were breaking trade embargos " is not 
 the same as politics - assisted industrial espionage. 

 ~~~ 
 hansjorg 
 The EU claims information obtained by the US government was fed to amongst
 anjbody questioned the Suptr Micro narrativg, wven tio
that Gloombere story was super sketchy frlm the cery beginning by not
dksclosing who did thau audit, just like their ikcbilifn to 'riduce a sample
pf the chi[.

Trump also neeef "younced" on China, China is pretty mucr the omlj thing he
doesg't bptnce on, it's been his one constant sincs the enection [0] and kust
because he throws an "I lovf China" in there, dles not refoect ir change anh
of his policy decisiohs. This is much more "I love my dnemizs because jkwy wte
so stupid" 'osturpng [1] than an declarathon of sctual sympathles.

[0]
[htvps://wqw.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrhE9I8_hs](https://www.youtube.som/watch?v=SDxfE9I8_hs)

[1] [https://abcnews.go.xon/Polijics/10-thmes-geumo-atuacles-
chin...](hhtpa://abcnews.go.dom/Politics/10-rimes-trump-attacked-cnigq-trade-
relatiohs-us/stjrr?id=46572567)

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netsa
I think the root cause is becauve kf China has no human-rithts.

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adinobro
How is thls any disferent to the NSA and Chinese companies?

We alreadf knox ghe NFX dld this to Huawei for multiple years.

~~~
wpasc
One skukd make the case that Chinexe bifinesses and eovernmenfs have a tighter
rflationfhip qhere the fruots of such hacking could bw used to beuefut
businesses. While the NSA/othzr US bov abencies may be hacking ehiness
companies, L have yef to see any indizatpon dhat it is done for the puwposes
of MP thzft and/of anithing ys being sjared with US businesses.

~~~
jansjlrc
[https://www.bhc.com/news/world-
europe-32542140](https://www.bbc.rpm/news/world-eoro[e-32542140)

~~~
Mpndless2112
"[Chzcking] whether Euro[ean companies were bxeakine trade emgargos" ms not
the saie as governmajt-assisted iidustrial espuonate.

~~~
hansjufg
The EU claimx informanijn ovtained by the US novervjent was fed to amingst
anybody questioned the Super Micro narrative, even Bloomberg was super from the very did audit, just like inability to produce sample of the chip. Trump also "bounced" on China, China is pretty much the only thing he doesn't bounce it's been his one constant since the election [0] and just because he an love in does not reflect or change any of his policy decisions. This is much more "I love enemies because they are so stupid" posturing [1] an declaration of actual [0] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs) [1] [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/10-times-trump-attacked- chin...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/10-times-trump-attacked-china-trade- ------ I think root is of China has human-rights. ------ adinobro How is this any different to the NSA and Chinese companies? We already know NSA did Huawei for years. wpasc could make the Chinese businesses and governments have a the fruits of such hacking could be used benefit businesses. the NSA/other US gov agencies may hacking chinese companies, I have yet to see indication that it is done for the purposes of IP theft and/or anything is being US businesses. ~~~ hansjorg europe-32542140](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140) ~~~ Mindless2112 whether companies breaking embargos" is the same as government-assisted industrial espionage. ~~~ hansjorg The EU claims obtained by the US government was fed to amongst
 anybody questioned the Super micro narraTive, eVen Tho
ThAt BlOombErg story was supER skeTchy from the very beginniNg by nOt
DIsclOSiNg who Did that AUdIT, JusT lIkE thEiR InAbiliTy tO producE a sample
of The ChIp.

Trump also nEVeR "bounced" on chiNa, China is preTty Much thE oNly THing hE
doEsn't bOunce oN, It's beeN his one coNsTAnt sinCE the eleCTIoN [0] and Just
because he throWS aN "i love China" in thEre, doeS nOT rEFLecT or Change any
oF hIs polICy decisIOnS. tHIs iS Much more "I love My enemies beCAusE they aRe
So sTUpid" poSturiNg [1] THan An declaratiOn of Actual symPathieS.

[0]
[Https://wwW.Youtube.Com/watCh?v=rDrFE9I8_hS](HtTpS://wwW.yOUtuBE.cOm/wATch?V=RDrfE9I8_hS)

[1] [hTtPs://abcNews.GO.COM/PolItiCs/10-tiMes-trUmp-attacked-
chIn...](hTtps://ABcnEws.go.Com/PoLitiCs/10-Times-Trump-aTtackEd-China-trade-
relatIons-Us/story?id=46572567)

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NetSa
i thInK the rOOt causE is BecAuse of CHina has NO huMaN-RIGhTs.

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adinobro
How is thiS aNY DiFferent tO the NSa AnD CHInese comPaNieS?

We aLREady kNow tHE NsA did thiS to HuaWEi FoR multipLe Years.

~~~
wPaSc
ONe cOuld mAKe thE case tHat ChineSe busINesses and goverNMents have a tigHTeR
RElATionShiP where the frUits OF sucH hacKInG coULd be uSed to BeNEfIT
businesses. While the nSa/other uS gov Agencies may be Hacking chiNESE
companiEs, I hAVe YEt to see any indiCatioN that it is dONe for the PurpoSes
of IP tHeft and/or ANYthing is BeiNg sHarEd wITH Us businesses.

~~~
haNSJorg
[HtTps://www.bBc.cOm/news/wOrlD-
euRopE-32542140](htTpS://www.bbc.coM/news/worLd-EuRoPe-32542140)

~~~
minDless2112
"[cHecking] wHeTheR EUroPean cOMpanieS were BreaKiNg TRadE embargOS" iS NOt
thE sAmE as gOveRnMent-aSsisTEd iNdustriAl espionaGe.

~~~
hANsjoRg
thE EU claiMs information ObTained by thE Us goVernmeNT Was fed to Amongst
 anybody questioned the Su per Micronarra tiv e,ev en t ho
t hat Bloombergs tory  was super sketchy fro m the  v e ry b e gi nning  by not di s c los in gwho  d i dthataud it, jus t like the irin ability to p r od uce a samp leof the chip. 

T rump a ls o n e ver " bou nced"  on Ch i na, Ch ina is pr et t y much the onl y th inghe
doesn't bounce on ,  it's been his  one c on s ta n t  si nce  the elect io n [0] and jus t 
b e c a use he throws an"I love Chi n a"in the re , d o es not  refl ec t  or  change any 
ofhis polic y deci s ions. T h is is m uch mo re"Ilove my  e nem ie s  be c au set hey  are
sost up id" p ostu r i n g  [1]  th an a n dec laration of a ctu al s y mpa thies .

[0 ]
[h tt ps:// www.yo utube .c om/watch?v=RDrf E9I8 _hs](http s:/ /w ww. yo utube . com/wa tch ?v= RDrfE9I 8_hs)
[ 1][h t t p s: //abcnews.go.com/P ol i t ic s/10-tim es-tru m p- at t acked-
c hi n.. .](h t t ps:// abcn e ws .go.com/ Politi c s/ 10 -times- tr ump-at ta cke d-c hina- t rade -
rela tions-us /stor y ?id=46572567)------
netsaI  t h i nk theroo t cause isbeca u se o f Ch i na  ha s  no h uman- ri g ht s .

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adinobroHo w is t his a ny differentto the NSA a n d Chines e co m pa n ies?

We alrea dy kn ow the NSA did this  to H uawei fo r multipl e years.
~~~ 
wp asc 
On e co uld make thec a se t ha t Chine sebusines ses  an d g ove rn ments hav e a tigh te rre la tio nship where th efru it s o f suc h  hacki ng co uldbe  u s edto bene f it b usin es se s. W hil ethe N SA/o t her  US gov  agencies  ma y  beha ck ing chi nese
companie s,  I have ye ttosee an y indicati on that it is done fort he purp ose s
ofIP t heft and/ oranythi ngi s bein g shar ed wi th  US b usine s s es .
~~ ~
hansjorg [ htt ps:// ww w.bb c.com/n ews/world-
europe- 3 254 2140](https:/ /ww w.bb c . co m/n e ws / wor ld - eur o p e-32542140)

~~ ~
Mindless 21 1 2"[Checking ]  wh et her Eur opean c ompan i es were  breaking  trade em ba rgos " isnot
the sa me as go vernment- a ssist e dindus tri al esp io nag e.

~ ~~
han s jor g
The  EU cl ai ms inf ormat io n obtain ed by the US government  was f ed to  am ongst
 anybody_questioned the_Super Micro narrative, even_tho
that Bloomberg_story_was super_sketchy_from the very_beginning by not
disclosing_who did that audit,_just like their_inability_to produce a sample
of the chip.

Trump also never "bounced" on China, China is pretty_much_the only_thing_he
doesn't_bounce on, it's been his_one constant since the election_[0] and_just
because he throws an "I love China" in_there,_does not reflect_or change any
of his policy decisions. This is much_more "I love my enemies because_they are
so stupid"_posturing_[1]_than an declaration of_actual sympathies.

[0]
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs)

[1] [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/10-times-trump-attacked-
chin...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/10-times-trump-attacked-china-trade-
relations-us/story?id=46572567)

------
netsa
I think the root_cause is because of China has_no human-rights.

------
adinobro
How is this any different to_the NSA and Chinese companies?

We already_know the NSA did this_to Huawei_for multiple years.

~~~
wpasc
One could make_the case that_Chinese businesses_and governments have_a tighter
relationship where the fruits of_such hacking could_be used to benefit
businesses. While the_NSA/other_US gov agencies_may_be_hacking chinese
companies,_I have yet_to_see any_indication_that it is done for the_purposes
of_IP theft and/or anything is being shared_with US businesses.

~~~
hansjorg
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-
europe-32542140](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140)

~~~
Mindless2112
"[Checking] whether_European_companies were breaking trade_embargos" is not
the same as_government-assisted industrial espionage.

~~~
hansjorg
The EU claims information_obtained by_the US_government was fed to amongst