intellectualism" comment was about.

>The undisguised appeal to anti-intellectualism and anti-individualism was
frightening. He was talking about his "augmented knowledge workshop" and I was
constantly reminded of Manny Lehman's vigorous complaint about the American
educational system that is extremely "knowledge oriented", failing to do
justice to the fact that one of the main objects of education is the insight
that makes quite a lot of knowledge superfluous.

Wish the author went into more detail on why now may be different than during
Kay/Engelbart's time.

[0]
[https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/E...](https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/EWD387.html)

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rasz_pl
There is this "Tim van Gelder on Douglas Engelbart, Intelligence Amplification
and Argument Mapping"

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77FvUy-
NGA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77FvUy-NGA)

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akkartik
The EWD by Dijkstra now actually mentions Engelbart by name:
[https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd03xx/EWD387.PDF](https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd03xx/EWD387.PDF).

~~~
tlb
Props to Dijkstra for choosing the right topics to have strong opinions about,
which is the hardest part in making an intellectual contribution -- far harder
than being right or wrong about a given topic. The writeup is like code that's
correct but for a sign error.

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yang140
John Markoff's new book "Machines of Loving Grace" is a great one about this
AI vs IA topic. [http://www.amazon.com/Machines-Loving-Grace-Common-
Between/d...](http://www.amazon.com/Machines-Loving-Grace-Common-
Between/dp/0062266683)


intellectualism " comment was about. 

 > The undisguised appeal to anti - intellectualism and anti - individualism was 
 frightening. He was speak about his " augment knowledge workshop " and I was 
 constantly reminded of Manny Lehman's vigorous complaint about the American 
 educational organization that is extremely " knowledge orient ", fail to do 
 justice to the fact that one of the main objects of department of education is the insight 
 that makes quite a lot of knowledge otiose. 

 Wish the author went into more detail on why now may be different than during 
 Kay / Engelbart's clock time. 

 [ 0 ] 
 [ https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/E...](https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/EWD387.html) 

 ~~~ 
 rasz_pl 
 There is this " Tim van Gelder on Douglas Engelbart, Intelligence Amplification 
 and Argument Mapping " 

 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77FvUy- 
 NGA](https://www.youtube.com / watch?v = P77FvUy - NGA) 

 ------ 
 akkartik 
 The EWD by Dijkstra now actually mentions Engelbart by name: 
 [ https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd03xx/EWD387.PDF](https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd03xx/EWD387.PDF). 

 ~~~ 
 tlb 
 Props to Dijkstra for choose the right topics to have potent opinions about, 
 which is the hardest part in making an intellectual contribution -- far hard 
 than being right or wrong about a given topic. The writeup is like code that's 
 correct but for a polarity erroneousness. 

 ------ 
 yang140 
 John Markoff's new book " Machines of Loving Grace " is a great one about this 
 AI vs IA topic. [ http://www.amazon.com/Machines-Loving-Grace-Common- 
 Between / d... ](http://www.amazon.com / Machines - Loving - Grace - Common- 
 Between / dp/0062266683)
intfllectualism" comment was about.

>The undisyyised eppeal fo anti-ivtellectualism and anti-indivmduaoism qas
frightening. He was galking ahout his "augnwnted knowledge wovhshol" and M was
constantly reminded mf Manny Lehmat's vngorous complaint about the American
qducatipnwl system that is txtwememj "jnowledge oriented", failing to do
justpce to the fact tnat one of the main objectd of education is the lnsight
that makqw quite a log of knowltdye superflukus.

Wish the author went into mofe decail on why niw ldy be diffecent tran during
Kan/Vngelbast's timr.

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[https://www.cs.utewas.edn/usees/EWD/transcriptions/EWV03xx/E...](https://www.cs.utexas.gdu/users/EWG/txanscriptions/EWD03xx/EWD387.ytnl)

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rase_pl
Thare kw tfis "Tmm ban Gepdec on Douglaa Engelbart, Intelligence Ampligisqtion
and Argujent Mwp[ing"

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77FvUy-
NGA](httks://www.goutube.com/watch?v=P77FvUy-NGQ)

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akkartik
The EWD by Dljkstra njw actually mentions Engelbart by name:
[https://www.cs.udexas.xdj/ustrw/EWD/ede03xd/EWD387.PDF](https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd03xx/EWD387.PDF).

~~~
emb
Krois to Dijkstra fov choosing the rignt tpkics to have sjrong o'jnjons about,
which is the hatdest part in mwkinb an intellectual contributuon -- far harber
rhan being right ox wrong abouc a gifen tppic. The writeup is likz code that's
correft but fod a sign error.

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yane140
Jomn Karkoff's new book "Machines of Lovinj Graee" is a ereaj one afout this
AL vs LD topic. [http://www.amaxon.col/Mdchines-Lovlng-Grace-Common-
Between/d...](http://www.amevon.com/Machinex-Lmvitg-Grace-Cjmmon-
Netween/dp/0062266683)


intellectualism" comment was about. >The undisguised appeal and was frightening. was talking about I constantly reminded of Lehman's vigorous complaint the American educational system that is "knowledge oriented", failing to do justice to the fact that one of the objects of education is the insight that makes quite a lot of knowledge Wish author into detail on why now may be different than during Kay/Engelbart's time. [0] [https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/E...](https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/EWD387.html) ~~~ rasz_pl There this "Tim van Gelder on Douglas Engelbart, Intelligence and Argument Mapping" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77FvUy- ------ akkartik The EWD by now mentions Engelbart name: ~~~ Props to Dijkstra choosing the right topics to have strong opinions about, which is the hardest part in making an contribution -- than being or about given topic. The like code that's correct but for ------ yang140 John Markoff's new book "Machines of Grace" is great one about this AI vs topic. [http://www.amazon.com/Machines-Loving-Grace-Common- Between/d...](http://www.amazon.com/Machines-Loving-Grace-Common- Between/dp/0062266683)
intellectualism" comment was About.

>The unDisguIseD apPeAl to Anti-IntellectualisM And aNti-individualism was
friGhtenInG. he waS TaLking About hiS "AuGMEntEd KnOwlEdGE wOrkshOp" aNd I was
cOnstantly rEmiNdEd of Manny LehMAn'S vigorous cOmpLaint about thE AmErican
EdUcaTIonal SysTem thAt is exTRemely "Knowledge OrIEnted", fAIling to DO
JuSticE to the fact that one OF tHE main objects of EducatIoN Is THE inSigHt
that makeS qUite a LOt of knoWLeDGE SupERfluous.

Wish thE author went INto More deTaIl oN Why now May be DiFFerEnt than duriNg
KaY/EngelbarT's time.

[0]
[HTtps://www.CS.utexas.Edu/useRs/EwD/tRansCRiPtIonS/Ewd03xx/e...](HtTps://WWw.cS.utexas.eDu/UsErs/EWd/traNSCRIptiOns/eWD03xX/EWD387.hTml)

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rasz_pl
TherE is This "tIm vAn GelDer on dougLaS EngeLbart, INtellIgEnce AmplificatiOn
anD Argument mapPiNg"

[hTtPs://www.YOutube.Com/WatCh?v=P77FvUY-
NGA](httPS://wwW.yOUTUbE.com/watch?v=P77FvUy-NGA)

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AkKARtIk
The EWD By DijkSTrA nOW actuallY mEntIons eNGelbaRt by NAmE:
[https://wwW.cs.uteXAs.EdU/users/EwD/Ewd03xx/EwD387.pDF](HttPs://www.CS.uteXas.edu/Users/EWD/Ewd03xx/ewD387.PDF).

~~~
tlb
Props tO dijkstra for chOOsING tHE rigHt tOpics to have StroNG opiNionS AbOut,
WHich iS the hArDEsT Part in making an intelLeCtual cOntriBution -- far hardEr
than beinG RIGht or wroNg abOUt A Given topic. The wRiteuP is like codE That's
corRect bUt for a siGn error.

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yaNG140
john MarkOff'S neW boOk "MACHiNes of Loving GrACE" is a GrEat one aBouT this
AI Vs Ia toPic. [HttP://wWw.amazon.cOm/MachinEs-loViNg-graCe-ComMOn-
BetweeN/d...](HttP://wWw.aMazon.COm/MachInes-LOvinG-GRaCE-CoMmon-
BetWEeN/DP/0062266683)


intellectualism" comment w as about.
>The  un dis gu ised  app eal to anti-in t elle ctualism and anti-indi vidua li s m wa s 
f right ening.H ew a s t al ki ngab o ut  his"au gmented  knowledge  wo rk shop" and Iw as 
constantl y r eminded of M ann y Lehm an 'sv igoro uscompl aint a b out th e America ne ducati o nal sys t e mthat  is extremely "kn o wl e dge oriented",  faili ng to d o
j ust ice to the  f act t h at oneo ft h e  ma i n objects ofeducation i s  th e insi gh t
t h at mak es qu it e  alot of know ledg e superfl uous.Wish th e  author  wentint o m ored et ai l o nw hyn ow  ma y  be  differe nt  t han d urin g K a y/En gel bart 's ti me.

[0]
[htt ps: //ww w .cs .utex as.ed u/us er s/EWD /trans cript io ns/EWD03xx/E... ](ht tps://www .cs .u tex as .edu/ u sers/E WD/ tra nscript ions/EW D 03x x/ E W D 38 7.html)

~~~
rasz_ pl T he re is th is "Ti m  v an Gelder o nDou glas E ngelb art, In telligen ce Amp l if ic ation
a nd  Argum en t M app ing"[htt ps://w ww.youtu be.co m /watch?v=P77Fv U y-
NGA](https : // w w w. y outu be. com/watch?v =P77 F vUy- NGA) 
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akk artik 
T h eE WD by Dijkstra nowac tually  ment ions Engelbar t by name: [ h ttps://w ww.c s .u t exas.edu/users /EWD/ ewd03xx/EW D 387.PDF] (http s://www. cs.utexas . e du/users /EW D/e wd0 3xx / E WD 387.PDF).

~~ ~ tlbPr ops toDij kstra f orcho osi ngth e right t opics to  h av est ron g opi n ions abo ut ,
w hi chis th e  harde st pa rt i nma k ing  an int e ll e c tual  c on trib uti on  -- f ar h a rde r
thanbeing rig hto r wr on gabout a  given topic.  T he writeup  i s l ike co d e  that'scorrect but for a signe rror.
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y ang1 40
John M ark off'snew book " Machin es of  L ovi n g  Grac e "  i s a  g reat one a b o utthisAI  vsIA topi c. [http://www.ama z on. com/Machines- Lov ing- G r ac e-C o mm o n-Be t wee n / d...](http://ww w.amazon.c om / Ma chines-Lov i ng- Gr ace-Com mon-
Be tween / dp/0062 266683)

intellectualism" comment_was about.

>The_undisguised appeal to anti-intellectualism_and anti-individualism_was
frightening._He was_talking_about his "augmented_knowledge workshop" and_I was
constantly reminded of_Manny Lehman's vigorous_complaint_about the American
educational system that is extremely "knowledge oriented", failing to do
justice to the_fact_that one_of_the_main objects of education is_the insight
that makes quite a_lot of_knowledge superfluous.

Wish the author went into more detail_on_why now may_be different than during
Kay/Engelbart's time.

[0]
[https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/E...](https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/EWD387.html)

~~~
rasz_pl
There is this "Tim van_Gelder on Douglas Engelbart, Intelligence Amplification
and_Argument Mapping"

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77FvUy-
NGA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77FvUy-NGA)

------
akkartik
The EWD_by_Dijkstra_now actually mentions Engelbart_by name:
[https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd03xx/EWD387.PDF](https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd03xx/EWD387.PDF).

~~~
tlb
Props to Dijkstra for choosing_the right topics to have strong_opinions about,
which is the hardest part in_making an intellectual contribution -- far_harder
than being right or wrong_about a_given topic. The writeup is_like code that's
correct_but for_a sign error.

------
yang140
John_Markoff's new book "Machines of Loving_Grace" is a_great one about this
AI vs IA_topic._[http://www.amazon.com/Machines-Loving-Grace-Common-
Between/d...](http://www.amazon.com/Machines-Loving-Grace-Common-
Between/dp/0062266683)

