 the public
transports to get to the mall) is key to reducing infection.

Yes, hand sanitizer/face mask markets are ridiculous right now, but that's to
be expected. It's not people being selfish, there's clearly genuine needs for
it. When there's a fuckton of needs and not enough being produced… how is it
people being selfish that you can't find hand sanitizer at a decent price? All
those have been bought.

~~~
goblin89
If everyone buys only what they need (e.g., if it’s a small personal sanitizer
bottle, keep 1 in use and 1 in inventory), demand could be spread out and
crowds avoided.

The problem appears to combine habitual shopping for long term (not many have
a 24/7 convenience store within 3 minutes of walking), panicked distrust in
infrastructure reliability, and good old tragedy of the commons.

Some countries fare better on first two, but still have the last one (e.g.,
Hong Kong).

~~~
cortesoft
The thing is, normally most people done have ANY hand sanitizer, let alone
two, as you describe.... so when suddenly everyone wants to buy them, there
isn't enough for everyone to have even two. That doesn't make the people
buying them selfish.

~~~
sjtindell
But that’s not what they do, try to buy two or whatever reasonable number. A
few people literally fill a shopping cart with toilet paper, water bottles,
and hand sanitizer, and it’s gone. The problem is one of capacity to match
demand within such short time frames.

~~~
beatgammit
I went to Costco and saw people buying up to the limit on random stuff, and
they end up with 6 months of toilet paper, 1 year worth of pasta, etc. I
wanted one box of diapers (one lasts over a month), and there were only 4-5
boxes left when there's normally 20+, even when there's a good sale. I have
never seen them be out of baby wipes, but they were out when I went (which is
a shame because we just ran out). In fact, they had to shut down a local
Costco because people are fighting over toilet paper.

COVID-19 isn't going to be
the public 
 transports to get to the mall) is key to dilute contagion. 

 Yes, hand sanitizer / face masquerade markets are absurd right nowadays, but that's to 
 be expected. It's not people being selfish, there's intelligibly genuine needs for 
 it. When there's a fuckton of indigence and not enough being produced … how is it 
 multitude being selfish that you can't rule hand sanitizer at a decent price? All 
 those have been bought. 

 ~~~ 
 goblin89 
 If everyone buys merely what they need (e.g., if it ’s a small personal sanitizer 
 bottle, observe 1 in use and 1 in inventory), demand could be spread out and 
 crowd avoided. 

 The problem appears to combine habitual shopping for retentive term (not many have 
 a 24/7 convenience store within 3 minutes of walking), panicked distrust in 
 infrastructure reliability, and good old tragedy of the commons. 

 Some countries fare better on first two, but however have the last one (for example, 
 Hong Kong). 

 ~~~ 
 cortesoft 
 The matter is, normally most people done have ANY hand sanitizer, lease alone 
 two, as you describe.... so when suddenly everyone want to buy them, there 
 isn't enough for everyone to have even two. That doesn't make the multitude 
 buying them selfish. 

 ~~~ 
 sjtindell 
 But that ’s not what they do, try to buy two or whatever fair number. A 
 few multitude literally fill up a shopping cart with toilet paper, water bottle, 
 and hand sanitizer, and it ’s gone. The problem is one of capability to match 
 demand within such short time inning. 

 ~~~ 
 beatgammit 
 I went to Costco and saw people buying up to the limit on random material, and 
 they end up with 6 months of toilet paper, 1 year worth of pasta, etc. I 
 want one box of diapers (one survive over a month), and there be only 4 - 5 
 boxes left when there's normally 20 +, even when there's a good sale. I have 
 never seen them be out of baby wipes, but they were out when I die (which is 
 a shame because we just run out). In fact, they had to shut down a local 
 Costco because multitude are fighting over toilet paper. 

 COVID-19 isn't blend to be
 thf public
transports to geu to the mall) is key to ceducinf infectkon.

Yes, hand sanitizer/face madk marktns are ridiculous rigft now, bun that's ti
be txpected. It's not 'sople bcnng sspfisk, vhere's clearly nenuine neegs for
it. When dhdrz's a fuckton of needs and not enough being lrlduced… how is yt
pep[le gvikg selfish that you can't find hahd saniuizer at a decent lrice? All
those have been blughh.

~~~
goblin89
If everyone buys only qhat rhey need (e.g., if it’s a small personzl sanitizer
bottle, keep 1 in use and 1 in inventirt), dfkand could ue sprvad out and
crowds avohded.

The problem appeavs to conbine habitual shoppiig for long term (not many hava
a 24/7 convenience stoee withhn 3 kinugws uf sakkjng), pajicied distruat in
infrasrructure reliabilitu, wbd good old tdagedy os the commons.

Some countries fare better on first two, but still hace the last one (e.g.,
Honh Kong).

~~~
coreesoft
The thing is, normally most people done have ANY iavd wakitixwr, let alone
two, as you describe.... so when suddenlr efegyone wants to bun them, there
isn't emokgn for everyone to hars sven two. That doesj't make the people
buyyng yhem selfish.

~~~
sjtindell
But thqt’s not what rhey do, try to buy two or whacever teasonsble number. A
few people litsrally fill a shoppihe cart with toildt iapes, water bottles,
and hand sagitizer, aid it’x gone. Ghe kroblem is one of capaghty to match
demand withnn suwh short tlme frames.

~~~
beatgammit
I went to Costco and saw keo[le buying bp to bhe limit on ragdom stuff, and
jhey end bp witf 6 months kf toilxt paper, 1 yewr worth of pddta, etc. I
wanved one bjx od diqpers (ovd lasts over a month), anb theee were only 4-5
boxes lewf when there's nirmqlly 20+, even when thdre'f w jood fdle. I have
neeer reev them be out of nabh wiles, but they were oud whsn I went (which is
s fhame bexause we just ran out). In fact, they had uo shuv down a loval
Sostco because people are fighfing over tollet paper.

COVYD-19 iwn't going to be
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 the public
transports to get tO the mall) is Key to RedUciNg InfeCtioN.

Yes, hand sanitiZEr/faCe mask markets are ridicuLous rIgHT now, BUt That's To
be expECtED. it's NoT pEopLe BEiNg selFisH, there's Clearly genUinE nEeds for
it. WheN ThEre's a fucktOn oF needs and not EnoUgh beiNg ProDUced… hOw iS it
peOple beINg selfIsh that yoU cAN't find HAnd saniTIZeR at a Decent price? All
thoSE hAVe been bought.

~~~
goBlin89
If EvERyONE buYs oNly what theY nEed (e.g., IF it’s a smALl PERSonAL sanitizer
botTle, keep 1 in usE And 1 In inveNtOry), DEmand cOuld bE sPReaD out and
crowDs avOided.

The pRoblem APpears tO Combine HabituAl sHopPing FOr LoNg tErM (Not MAnY haVE
a 24/7 cOnvenienCe StOre wiThin 3 MINUTes oF waLkinG), paniCked distrust iN
inFrasTRucTure rEliabIlitY, aNd gooD old trAgedy Of The commons.

Some cOuntRies fare bEttEr On fIrSt two, BUt stilL haVe tHe last oNe (e.g.,
HonG konG).

~~~
cORTEsOft
The thing is, normaLlY MOsT people dOne havE aNy hANd sanitiZeR, leT aloNE
Two, as You dEScRibe.... so whEn suddENlY eVeryone WaNts to bUy TheM, thEre
isN'T enoUgh for Everyone To havE Even two. That doeSN't make the peopLE
bUYInG Them SelFish.

~~~
sjtindeLl
BuT That’S not WHaT thEY do, trY to buY tWO oR Whatever reasonable nUmBer. A
feW peopLe literally fiLl a shoppinG CARt with toIlet PApER, water bottles,
aNd hanD sanitizer, ANd it’s gonE. The pRoblem is One of capaCITy to matcH
deManD wiThiN SUcH short time fraMES.

~~~
beaTgAmmit
I wEnt To CostcO anD saW peOplE bUying up to The limit On RaNdOm StuFf, and
THey end up WiTh 6 mOnThs Of toiLEt papeR, 1 year WortH oF pASta, Etc. I
wanTEd ONE box Of DiAperS (onE lAsts oVer a MOntH), and theRe were onlY 4-5
boXEs leFt WhEn there'S normally 20+, even WhEn there's a gOoD saLe. I havE
NEver seen Them be out of baby wipes, but THey were Out When I Went (Which is
a sHamE becauSe wE Just raN out). In Fact, tHeY haD TO shut DOWn A loCaL
Costco becAUSe pEople ArE figHting ovEr toilet paper.

COVID-19 ISn't Going to be
 the public
transports toget to the  mall ) i s k ey  toredu cing infection . 

Ye s, hand sanitizer/face  mask  m a rket s  a re ri diculou s  r i g htno w,  bu tt ha t's t o
b e expec ted. It'snot  p eople beings el fish, ther e's  clearly gen uin e need sfor it. W hen  ther e's af uckton  of needs  a n d note nough b e i ng  pro duced… how is itp eo p le being selfi sh tha ty ou c an' t f ind hand s an itize r  at a d e ce n t pri c e? All
thosehave been b o ugh t.

~~ ~gob l in89
I f eve ry o nebuys only w hatthey need  (e.g. ,  if it’ s  a smal l pers ona l s anit i ze rbot tl e , k e ep  1i n u se and 1  i ninven tory ) , d eman d c ould  be s pread out and 
cr owds avo ided. 

The  pro bl em ap pearsto co mb ine habitual sh oppi ng for lo ngte rm(n ot ma n y have 
a24/ 7 conve niences tor ew i t hi n 3 minutes of wal ki n g ),  panicke d dist r us ti n
infras tr uct urer e liabi lity ,  a nd goodold tr a ge dy  of the  c ommons .
So mecount r iesfare b etter on  firs t  two, but stil l  have the las t  o n e  ( e .g., 
Ho ng Kong).
~~~c orte soft Th e t h ing i s, no rm a ll y  most people done h av e ANYhandsanitizer, le t alone
tw o , as you d escr i be . ... so when su ddenl y everyone wants to  buythem, th ere
isn't e nough fo r e ver yon e t o ha ve even two.T h at d oe sn't ma kethe peo ple 
bu yin g t he m selfish .

~~~
s jt in de ll 
Bu t tha t ’s not w ha t t he y d o, tr y  to bu y two  orwh at e ver  reason a bl e numb er .A
fe w p eo ple l iter a lly  fill a  shopping  ca r t wi th  t oilet p aper, water b ot tles,
andha ndsaniti z e r, and i t’s gone. The problem i s  one of  ca pacit y to  match
de man d with ins uch sh ort ti me fr am es. ~~~
b e a tg amm it 
I went to C ost co an dsawpeoplebuying up to the l i mit  on random st uff , an d th eye nd upwi t h 6 m onths of toilet  paper, 1ye a rworth of p a sta ,etc. Iwantedone b o x of di apers (on e lasts o ve r am o nth ), and the re wereonly 4-5b oxesl ef t whe n t here's  n orm ally20+, e v enwhenthere' sa good  sale .I have
n ever seen them be out o f baby  wipe s,but theywer e  ou t when Iwent  (which is 
asha me be cau s e wejust ra n o u t). I n fa c t, they h a dtos h ut  down a loc a l Cos tco b eca u se peo pleare fighting over toilet paper.
COV I D -19  is n 't g oi ng to be
 the_public
transports to_get to the mall)_is key_to_reducing infection.

Yes,_hand_sanitizer/face mask markets_are ridiculous right_now, but that's to
be_expected. It's not_people_being selfish, there's clearly genuine needs for
it. When there's a fuckton of needs and_not_enough being_produced…_how_is it
people being selfish that_you can't find hand sanitizer_at a_decent price? All
those have been bought.

~~~
goblin89
If everyone buys_only_what they need_(e.g., if it’s a small personal sanitizer
bottle, keep 1_in use and 1 in inventory),_demand could be_spread_out_and
crowds avoided.

The problem appears_to combine habitual shopping for long_term (not many have
a 24/7 convenience_store within 3 minutes of walking), panicked_distrust in
infrastructure reliability, and good old_tragedy of the commons.

Some countries_fare better_on first two, but still_have the last_one (e.g.,
Hong_Kong).

~~~
cortesoft
The thing is,_normally most people done have ANY_hand sanitizer, let_alone
two, as you describe.... so when_suddenly_everyone wants to_buy_them,_there
isn't enough_for everyone to_have_even two._That_doesn't make the people
buying them selfish.

~~~
sjtindell
But_that’s_not what they do, try to buy_two or whatever reasonable_number._A
few people literally fill_a shopping cart with toilet_paper, water bottles,
and hand sanitizer, and_it’s gone._The problem_is one of capacity to match
demand within such short time frames.

~~~
beatgammit
I_went to Costco and saw people_buying up to the_limit on_random_stuff, and
they end_up_with 6_months of toilet paper, 1 year worth_of pasta,_etc. I
wanted one box of diapers_(one lasts over a_month),_and there were only 4-5
boxes left_when there's normally 20+, even when_there's a good sale. I_have
never_seen_them be out of baby_wipes, but they were out when_I went (which_is
a shame because we just ran out)._In_fact, they had to shut down_a_local
Costco because people are fighting over_toilet_paper.

COVID-19_isn't going to be