 change, and all of the costs
for when you don’t have a family mechanic who doesn’t charge by the hour and
needs parts, not to mention the cost of towing, missed work, etc. when the
cheap car breaks. Theft is still a concern unless you can afford safe parking,
too - even a beater usually has parts worth something to a thief.

I’ve had cheap cars before and solidly subscribe to the Sam Vines boot theory:
unless you can do all of your own maintenance, it’s more expensive long-term
but the only option for someone who can’t swing the higher up-front costs.
Around here (DC) this is often cited as a poverty factor in favor of better
transit since these costs all add up and the many low-paying jobs require
hours and/or locations which aren’t great for the limited transit options
(e.g. if you work at a restaurant you leave around when the rail is shut down
but the bus takes 90 minutes and driving means a ton of upfront costs plus $$$
parking).

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salawat
It is downright amazing how much information asymmetry is seen as a
prerequisite to maintain law and order.

For instance, implementation details of devices being leaked are a surefire
way of obviating any mitigatory measure employed to coerce cooperation out of
an uninformed population.

The irony of this happening at a University, an Institution centered around
equipping people with the tools they need to overcome information asymmetry,
is not lost on me.

~~~
kevvok
Really demonstrates why “security through obscurity” is no security at all.

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millzlane
They even ticket employee's cars that are breaking the parking rules on
campus.

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kazinator
The cards are heavily stacked against anything that uses suction to clamp on.
Basically any leak of atmospheric pressure into the suction voids, and it's
game over.

You can't easily prevent the the entry of sharp, thin blades between the
device's case and the vehicle glass. You will never get a good enough fit on
all shapes of windshield.

The kinds of contraptions I can think of that could guard the gap between the
device's case and the glass could be damaging to the glass (for instance,

change, and all of the costs 
 for when you do n’t have a family machinist who does n’t commit by the hour and 
 needs parts, not to mention the price of towing, missed work, etc. when the 
 bum cable car breaks. Theft is still a concern unless you can afford dependable parking, 
 too - even a beater usually has parts deserving something to a thief. 

 I ’ve had cheap car before and solidly subscribe to the Sam Vines bang theory: 
 unless you can do all of your own maintenance, it ’s more expensive farseeing - term 
 but the only option for someone who ca n’t swing the high up - front costs. 
 Around here (DC) this is often summon as a poverty factor in favor of better 
 transit since these costs all add up and the many low - paying jobs require 
 hours and/or locations which are n’t great for the limited transit options 
 (e.g. if you work at a restaurant you exit around when the rail is exclude down 
 but the bus takes 90 minutes and driving mean a ton of upfront costs plus $ $ $ 
 parking). 

 ------ 
 salawat 
 It is downright amazing how much information asymmetry is seen as a 
 prerequisite to keep law and order. 

 For instance, implementation details of devices being leak are a surefire 
 way of obviating any mitigatory measure employed to coerce cooperation out of 
 an uninformed population. 

 The sarcasm of this happening at a University, an Institution focus on around 
 equipping people with the tools they need to overcome data asymmetry, 
 is not lost on me. 

 ~~~ 
 kevvok 
 Really demonstrates why “ security through obscurity ” is no security at all. 

 ------ 
 millzlane 
 They even ticket employee's cars that are breaking the parking rule on 
 campus. 

 ------ 
 kazinator 
 The cards are heavy stacked against anything that uses suction to clamp on. 
 Basically any leak of atmospheric pressure into the sucking voids, and it's 
 game over. 

 You can't easily prevent the the entry of acute, thin blades between the 
 device's character and the vehicle field glass. You will never get a estimable enough fit on 
 all shapes of windshield. 

 The kinds of contraptions I can think of that could defend the gap between the 
 device's case and the field glass could be damaging to the glass (for instance,
 chwnge, and all of the costr
for when you don’t havx a famjly mechxnic who doesn’t charge by thx hoyr ane
needs parts, not to mevtion the cost of towmng, missed work, xfc. when the
chswp ccr breaks. Theft ls still a woncern unless yuu can afford safe parking,
too - even a beater udually has parjs wogtr sojvtming to a thief.

I’ve had cheap cara befort and solidly subsvribe to the Sam Vines booh thfory:
unless you can do all of ikur iwn maintenavce, it’s mogz expensive long-term
but the only option fof somzone who cab’t swltg the highxr up-fgont costs.
Arommd hera (DC) thos is often cibed av a poverty factor in fator of better
transit since thasz costs all add up ane rhe mdny now-pxtine jkbx dequirf
honrs and/or lkcations whuch aren’t great for trv limited trahsit o[tyons
(e.g. if you work at a restaurant you neabe around when the rail is shut down
but the hus takes 90 minutes and driving means a ton of upfront costv plua $$$
paxjing).

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sxoaaat
It is downright amazing how much informatijh ssjmmetry is seen af a
prerequixihe jo maintain lad and ordsr.

For instance, imppementajion dwtails of devoces being leaked are a surwfire
way of jvviating any mitigctory measurz emplpyed yo coerce cooperation obt of
ah uninformef populatjun.

The irony of tfis hdppening at a University, ag Instituvion eentered aroond
equi[ping peoppe wibv the tools they nfed tl mvercome ijformation asymmetry,
is not lost on me.

~~~
kevvok
Reslny gemonstrctes wmy “security thrjugh obscurity” is no fecurkty at all.

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jillzlaie
They even eicket employag's cars that ere breakyng rhe parking fules on
campus.

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lazinator
Nht cards arw heavily stacked egaivat anything thac owes suction to clxmp oj.
Besicajny any leak mf agmorlheriz pressure lntu thr suction voids, and ht's
gzme over.

You can't esslly prevebt the tre entry of snarp, thin blades bttween thx
devicr's sase and the vehicle glass. You will nevfr net a good enjugh fit on
all skapes of windshield.

The kinds of contraptmons I can think of thar could guard the gcp between thx
devicq's case atd the glass could bw damaging to the glass (for instance,

change, and all of the costs for don’t a family who doesn’t charge parts, to mention the of towing, missed etc. when the cheap car breaks. is still a concern unless you can afford safe parking, too - even beater usually has parts worth something to a thief. I’ve had cheap cars and subscribe the Vines boot theory: unless you can do all of your own maintenance, it’s more expensive long-term the only option for someone who can’t swing higher up-front costs. Around (DC) this is often cited a factor in of transit these costs all up and the many low-paying jobs require hours and/or locations which aren’t great for the limited transit (e.g. if at a you around the rail is but the bus takes 90 minutes a ton of upfront costs plus $$$ parking). salawat It downright amazing how much information asymmetry seen as a prerequisite to maintain law and For instance, implementation details of devices being leaked are a surefire way of obviating any employed to coerce cooperation of an uninformed The of happening a University, Institution centered around equipping people with the tools they need to information asymmetry, is not lost on me. ~~~ kevvok Really “security obscurity” is no at all. ------ millzlane even employee's cars that are parking on The are stacked against anything that suction to clamp on. Basically leak of atmospheric pressure it's game over. You can't easily prevent the entry of sharp, thin blades between the case and the vehicle glass. You will never get a good enough on all windshield. The kinds of contraptions I can think that could guard the between the device's case and the glass could be to glass (for
 change, and all of the costs
for When you don’T have A faMilY mEchaNic wHo doesn’t charge BY the Hour and
needs parts, not to MentiOn THe coST oF towiNg, misseD WoRK, Etc. WhEn The
ChEAp Car brEakS. Theft iS still a conCerN uNless you can aFFoRd safe parkIng,
Too - even a beatEr uSually HaS paRTs worTh sOmethIng to a THief.

I’vE had cheap CaRS beforE And soliDLY sUbscRibe to the Sam Vines BOoT Theory:
unless yoU can do AlL Of YOUr oWn mAintenance, It’S more EXpensivE LoNG-TErm
BUt the only optiOn for someonE Who Can’t swInG thE Higher Up-froNt COstS.
Around here (dC) thIs is often Cited aS A povertY Factor iN favor Of bEttEr
trANsIt SinCe THesE CoSts ALl aDd up and tHe MaNy low-PayiNG JOBs reQuiRe
hoUrs anD/or locations wHicH areN’T grEat foR the lImitEd TransIt optiOns
(e.g. If You work at a restaUranT you leave AroUnD whEn The raIL is shuT doWn
bUt the buS takes 90 mINutEs AND DrIving means a ton of upFrONT cOsts plus $$$
ParkinG).

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SaLaWAt
It is doWnRigHt amAZIng hoW mucH InFormatioN asymmETrY iS seen as A
pRerequIsIte To mAintaIN law And ordEr.

For insTance, IMplementation dETails of deviceS BeING lEAked Are A surefire
waY of oBViatIng aNY mItiGAtory MeasuRe EMpLOyed to coerce cooperaTiOn out oF
an unInformed populAtion.

The irONY Of this haPpenINg AT a University, an instiTution centERed arounD
equiPping peoPle with thE TOols they NeeD to OveRcoME InFormation asymMETry,
iS nOt lost oN me.

~~~
Kevvok
REalLy dEmoNstRaTes why “secUrity thrOuGh ObScUriTy” is nO Security At All.

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MiLlzLane
THEy even TickeT empLoYeE'S caRs that aRE bREAkinG tHe ParkIng RuLes on
CampUS.

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kaZinator
the cards aRe hEAvilY sTaCked agaInst anything tHaT uses suctiOn To cLamp on.
bASically aNy leak of atmospheric presSUre into The SuctiOn voIds, and it's
GamE over.

YOu cAN't easiLy prevEnt thE tHe eNTRy of sHARp, ThiN bLades betweEN The
DevicE's Case And the vEhicle glass. You will NEveR get a good enouGh fIt on
ALL sHapES oF WinDsHIelD.

tHe kinds of contraPtions I can ThINk Of that coulD GuaRd The gap bEtween tHe
devICe's case And the glaSs could be DaMagiNG To tHe glass (for Instance,

 change, and all of the co sts
for wh en yo u d on’ thave  a f amily mechanic whodoesn’t charge by thehouran d 
nee d sparts , not t o  m e n tio nth e c os t  o f tow ing , misse d work, et c.wh en the
cheap ca r breaks.The ft is stilla c oncern  u nle s s you  ca n aff ord sa f e park ing,
too-e ven ab eater u s u al ly h as parts worth so m et h ing to a thief .

I’v eh ad c hea p c ars before  a nd so l idly su b sc r i b e t o  the Sam Vine s boot theo r y:unless  y ouc an doall o fy our  own mainte nanc e, it’s m ore ex p ensivel ong-ter m
butthe  on ly o p ti on  fo rs ome o ne  wh o  ca n’t swin gth e hig heru p - f ront  co sts. 
Arou nd here (DC)thi s is oft en ci ted a s apo verty  facto r infa vor of better
t rans it sincethe se  co st s all add up  an d t he many  low-pa y ing  j o b s  r equire
hours and/o rl o ca tions wh ich ar e n’ tg reat for  t helimi t e d tra nsit op tions
(e .g. if yo uwork at  a  resta ur ant  yo u lea v e ar ound w hen theraili s shut down
bu t  the bus take s  9 0 mi n utes  an d driving m eans a to n of up fro n t cos ts pl us $$ $ 
parking).

------sa lawatIt is  downright am azing howm u c h inform atio n  a s ymmetry is see n asa
prerequi s ite to m ainta in law a nd order. For inst anc e,imp lem e n ta tion detailso f  dev ic es bein g l eaked a rea s ure fir eway of ob viatingan ymi ti gat ory m e asure em pl oye dtocoerc e  coope ratio n ou tof anuninfor m ed p opul at io n.
The  i ronyof t h ishappeni ng at a U niv e rsit y,  a n Insti tution center ed  around
eq ui ppi ng peo p l e with t he tools they need to o v ercomeinf ormat ionasymmetry ,
i s notlos t  on me .

~~~ 
kevv ok 
Re a l ly de m o ns tra te s why “sec u r ity  thro ug h ob scurity ” is no security a t  al l.

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mi llz lane T he y e v en tic ke t  em p l oyee's cars tha t are brea ki n gthe parkin g  ru le s on
ca mpus.
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kazina tor
The c ards arehe avil y sta cked again st anyth ing thatu ses s u ct ion t o c lamp o n. 
Ba sical ly any lea k ofatmosp he ric pr essur einto the  suction voids, and it' s
game  over .
You can't  ea s ily  preventthethe entryofsha rp, t hin blade s be t we ent he
de vice ' s case an d  t hev e hi cle glass.Y o u  wi ll ne ver get agood  enough fit on
al l  shapes of win dshi e l d.
Th e  kin ds  of contraptio nsIc a n thinkof  that could  guard t he gap b etween  the
d evice's c as e  and t he g las s could b e d am a ging to  t he glass(for  i nstanc e,

 change,_and all_of the costs
for when_you don’t_have_a family_mechanic_who doesn’t charge_by the hour_and
needs parts, not to_mention the cost_of_towing, missed work, etc. when the
cheap car breaks. Theft is still a concern unless_you_can afford_safe_parking,
too_- even a beater usually_has parts worth something to_a thief.

I’ve_had cheap cars before and solidly subscribe to_the_Sam Vines boot_theory:
unless you can do all of your own maintenance,_it’s more expensive long-term
but the only_option for someone_who_can’t_swing the higher up-front_costs.
Around here (DC) this is often_cited as a poverty factor in_favor of better
transit since these costs all_add up and the many low-paying_jobs require
hours and/or locations which_aren’t great_for the limited transit options
(e.g._if you work_at a_restaurant you leave_around when the rail is shut_down
but the bus_takes 90 minutes and driving means_a_ton of upfront_costs_plus_$$$
parking).

------
salawat
It is_downright amazing how_much_information asymmetry_is_seen as a
prerequisite to maintain law_and_order.

For instance, implementation details of devices being_leaked are a surefire
way_of_obviating any mitigatory measure_employed to coerce cooperation out_of
an uninformed population.

The irony of this_happening at_a University,_an Institution centered around
equipping people with the tools they need to_overcome information asymmetry,
is not lost on_me.

~~~
kevvok
Really demonstrates why “security_through obscurity”_is_no security at_all.

------
millzlane
They_even ticket_employee's cars that are breaking the parking_rules on
campus.

------
kazinator
The_cards are heavily stacked against anything_that uses suction to_clamp_on.
Basically any leak of atmospheric pressure_into the suction voids, and it's
game_over.

You can't easily prevent the_the_entry_of sharp, thin blades between_the
device's case and the vehicle glass._You will never_get a good enough fit on
all shapes_of_windshield.

The kinds of contraptions I can_think_of that could guard the gap_between_the
device's_case and the glass could_be damaging to the glass (for_instance,
