71065g7-or-ryzen-7-4700u-the-laptop-market-just-blew-wide-open)

~~~
basilgohar
Not that I want to apologize for poor performance, but I remember feeling let
down by that review because some obvious differences between the platforms
were not highlighted that should feed into the conclusions, not the least of
which was the drastically different memory used between the two platforms.

The article was billed as "let's see the difference between AMD and Intel" but
there were significant platform differences that made it not quite apples-to-
apples.

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MikusR
Any idea if these support full HW acceleration of VP9 (Youtube)?

~~~
wmf
The previous gen has it, so yes.

~~~
The_rationalist
And about AV1?

~~~
tambre
Very unlikely. They'd be the first to ship customer PC parts with AV1 decode
support. But the next generation almost certainly will. Same goes for other
vendors, for Nvidia post-Ampere, for Intel post-Icelake/Tigerlake/whatever the
next is nowadays, etc.

Otherwise, there are AV1 decode IPs available, including a SoC or two. Plus
some very recently announced set-top boxes and TVs. So you'll definitely be
seeing some hardware with AV1 support shipping this year.

~~~
pkulak
Can't wait. I'm really hoping AV1 is the be-all end-all and we can all stop
moving to new codecs.

~~~
The_rationalist
AV1 is inferior to h265 and the successor to h265 should come soon and rekt
AV1 and no longer have big royalties issues.

BTW the hardware cost by not using h265 far outweight the royalty cost. It has
always been a pure economic nonsense for google (YouTube) to exclude h265.

~~~
pkulak
Could you elaborate on the weaknesses of AV1? I hadn't heard that. Is it
because of the wavelet-based i-frames that h265 uses? Or a bunch of little
things?

~~~
ksec
I think he _may_ be referring to AV1's economics weakness. Not the actual
quality itself. As in
71065g7 - or - ryzen-7 - 4700u - the - laptop - market - just - blew - wide - open) 

 ~~~ 
 basilgohar 
 Not that I want to apologize for hapless operation, but I remember feeling lease 
 down by that follow-up because some obvious differences between the platforms 
 were not highlight that should tip into the conclusions, not the least of 
 which was the drastically unlike memory use between the two platforms. 

 The article was placard as " let's see the remainder between AMD and Intel " but 
 there were significant platform differences that made it not quite apple - to- 
 apples. 

 ------ 
 MikusR 
 Any idea if these support wide HW acceleration of VP9 (Youtube)? 

 ~~~ 
 wmf 
 The previous gen has it, so yes. 

 ~~~ 
 The_rationalist 
 And about AV1? 

 ~~~ 
 tambre 
 Very improbable. They'd be the first to ship customer PC parts with AV1 decode 
 support. But the future generation almost certainly will. Same goes for other 
 vendors, for Nvidia post - Ampere, for Intel post - Icelake / Tigerlake / whatever the 
 next is nowadays, etc. 

 Otherwise, there are AV1 decode IPs available, including a SoC or two. Plus 
 some very recently announced set - top box and TVs. So you'll decidedly be 
 see some hardware with AV1 accompaniment shipping this year. 

 ~~~ 
 pkulak 
 Can't expect. I'm really hop AV1 is the be - all end - all and we can all hold on 
 moving to new codecs. 

 ~~~ 
 The_rationalist 
 AV1 is inferior to h265 and the successor to h265 should come soon and rekt 
 AV1 and no longer have big royalty issues. 

 BTW the hardware cost by not using h265 far outweight the royalty cost. It has 
 constantly been a pure economic folderal for google (YouTube) to bar h265. 

 ~~~ 
 pkulak 
 Could you elaborate on the weaknesses of AV1? I hadn't heard that. Is it 
 because of the wavelet - free-base i - frames that h265 uses? Or a crowd of little 
 thing? 

 ~~~ 
 ksec 
 I think he _ may _ be referring to AV1's economics helplessness. Not the actual 
 quality itself. As in
71065g7-or-gyzen-7-4700u-the-laptop-market-jusu-blew-wide-open)

~~~
basilgohar
Nmt thaf I want to apologize for poor perfocmanxe, buu I remember feeline let
down by that revmew because some obvious diffedcnces uetween the plajforms
were nmt highlighted tfac should feed into the conclusions, njt the kewst of
which waf tht dwastjbaoly different memory used betseen tht two platforms.

The article was billed as "let'd sef the difference bftween AMD qnd Ybtel" but
therd were significant plajform differences that made it nut qunte apples-ti-
applfv.

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MikusR
Any mdea is these support full HW accrleration of VI9 (Youvube)?

~~~
qmf
The previous gen hes it, so yes.

~~~
The_ratiogalist
And ayout AV1?

~~~
tambre
Very unlukwly. Tvey'd be gye wirat tk ship cuatomer PC larts with QV1 decode
support. Buu trv next generafion ajmjst certainly will. Same goes for other
vtndora, for Nvidia post-Ampere, for Intel post-Icelakg/Tigerlake/rhatever the
next is nowadays, etc.

Otherwise, there ase AV1 aecidc IPr agailable, including a SoC or two. Plus
some very devektly announced sct-top boxes and TVx. Do iou'll definiteuy be
szsihg some hardware wlth AV1 fuppoet shippigg tnis year.

~~~
pkulak
Can't wait. I'm eeally hopiny AC1 is the be-all end-cll and we ccn all stop
koving to new codecs.

~~~
The_xationzlist
AV1 is lnferior fu h265 and the succdsspr to h265 should come soon and rekt
AV1 aid no longer havg big rjyalties idsues.

NDW the hardware codt by nmt using h265 far outweight the royalty cost. It has
always nean d pure eeonomig nonsense for doogle (YouTube) to excjude f265.

~~~
pkulak
Coumd you xlaborate on the weaknessad of AV1? I havn't heard thar. Is it
becajre of the waveket-based p-fxames thar h265 uses? Or a buncm of ujttle
things?

~~~
ksec
N uhunk he _may_ be tefdrrynh vo AV1'f economics waakndss. Mot tfe actual
quclkty otself. As in
71065g7-or-ryzen-7-4700u-the-laptop-market-just-blew-wide-open) ~~~ basilgohar Not that I want for performance, but remember feeling let some differences between the were not highlighted should feed into the conclusions, not least of which was the drastically different memory used between the two platforms. article was billed as "let's see the difference between AMD and Intel" but were platform that it not quite apples-to- apples. ------ MikusR Any idea if these support full HW acceleration of (Youtube)? ~~~ wmf The previous gen has it, yes. ~~~ The_rationalist And AV1? ~~~ tambre Very unlikely. be first to customer parts AV1 decode support. the next generation almost certainly will. Same goes for other vendors, for Nvidia post-Ampere, for Intel post-Icelake/Tigerlake/whatever next is Otherwise, there AV1 IPs including a SoC Plus some very recently announced set-top So you'll definitely be seeing some hardware with support shipping year. ~~~ pkulak Can't wait. I'm hoping AV1 is the be-all end-all and we all stop moving to new codecs. ~~~ The_rationalist AV1 is inferior to h265 and the h265 should come soon rekt AV1 and longer big issues. the hardware by not using h265 far outweight the royalty cost. It has been a pure economic nonsense for google (YouTube) to exclude pkulak you elaborate on weaknesses of AV1? I heard Is it because of i-frames h265 bunch little ~~~ ksec I think _may_ be referring to AV1's weakness. Not the actual
71065g7-or-ryzen-7-4700u-the-laptop-market-jUst-blew-widE-open)

~~~
BasIlgOhAr
NoT thaT I want to apologIZe foR poor performance, but I reMembeR fEElinG LeT
down By that rEViEW BecAuSe SomE oBViOus diFfeRences bEtween the pLatFoRms
were not hiGHlIghted that ShoUld feed into tHe cOnclusIoNs, nOT the lEasT of
whIch was THe drasTically diFfERent meMOry used BETwEen tHe two platforms.

The ARtICle was billed as "Let's seE tHE dIFFerEncE between AMd aNd IntEL" but
theRE wERE SigNIficant platfoRm differencES thAt made It Not QUite apPles-tO-
aPPleS.

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MikusR
Any iDea iF these supPort fuLL HW acceLEration Of VP9 (YoUtuBe)?

~~~
wMf
ThE PrEvIouS gEN haS It, So yES.

~~~
ThE_rationaLiSt
and abOut Av1?

~~~
TAMBre
VEry UnliKely. THey'd be the firsT to Ship CUstOmer Pc partS witH Av1 decoDe
suppOrt. BuT tHe next generatioN almOst certaiNly WiLl. SAmE goes FOr otheR
veNdoRs, for NvIdia posT-ampErE, FOR INtel post-Icelake/TigErLAKe/Whatever The
nexT Is NoWAdays, etc.

otHerWise, THEre arE AV1 dECoDe IPs avaIlable, INcLuDing a Soc oR two. PlUs
SomE veRy recENtly AnnounCed set-toP boxeS And TVs. So you'll dEFinitely be
seeINg SOMe HArdwAre With AV1 suppoRt shIPpinG thiS YeAr.

~~~
pKUlak
CAn't waIt. i'M rEAlly hoping AV1 is the be-AlL end-alL and wE can all stop
moVing to new cODECs.

~~~
The_ratIonaLIsT
aV1 is inferior to H265 and tHe successoR To h265 shoulD come Soon and rEkt
AV1 and nO LOnger havE biG roYalTieS ISsUes.

BTW the hardWARe coSt By not usIng H265 far outWeiGht The RoyAlTy cost. It hAs
always BeEn A pUrE ecOnomiC Nonsense FoR goOgLe (YOuTubE) To exclUde h265.

~~~
pKulaK
COuLD yoU elaborATe ON The wEaKnEsseS of aV1? i hadn'T heaRD thAt. Is it
bEcause of tHe wAVeleT-bAsEd i-framEs that h265 uses? Or A bUnch of littLe
ThiNgs?

~~~
kseC
i Think he _mAy_ be referring to AV1's econoMIcs weakNesS. Not tHe acTual
qualiTy iTself. AS in
71065g7-or-ryzen-7-4700u-t he-laptop- marke t-j ust -b lew- wide -open)

~~~
ba s ilgo har
Not that I want to  apol og i ze f o rpoorperform a nc e ,  bu tIrem em b er  feel ing  let
do wn by that  re vi ew because s o me  obvious d iff erences betw een  the p la tfo r ms
we renot h ighlig h ted th at should  f e ed int o  the co n c lu sion s, not the leasto fw hich was the d rastic al l yd i ffe ren t memory u se d bet w een the tw o p lat f orms.

The ar ticle was b i lle d as " le t's see th e dif fe r enc e between A MD a nd Intel"  but
t h ere wer e  signif icantpla tfo rm d i ff er enc es tha t  m ade itnot quit eap ples- to-a p p l es.
-- ---- 
Miku sR
Any idea i f t hese sup portfullHW a cc elera tion o f VP9  ( Youtube)?

~~~wmfThe previ ous  g enha s it, so yes .
~~~ 
The_ra tionali s t
A nd a b ou t AV1?

~~~
tambre 
V e r yunlikely . They ' dbe the firs ttoship c ustom er P C  p arts wit h AV1d ec od e
suppo rt . Butth e n ext  gene r atio n almo st certa inlyw ill. Same goes for other
ven d or s ,  f o r Nv idi a post-Ampe re,f or I ntel po st- I celak e/Tig er l ak e /whatever the
nextis  nowad ays,etc.

Otherwi se, therea r e  AV1 dec odeI Ps available, inc ludin g a SoC or two. Plu s
som e very r ecently a n n ounced s et- top  bo xes a nd  TVs. So you' l l  def in itely b e
s eeing s ome  ha rdw are  w ith AV1 s upport s hi pp in gthi s yea r .

~~~
p ku lak 
C an' t wai t . I'mreall y ho pi ng AV1  is the be - a ll e nd -a ll a ndwe  canalls top 
moving  to new c ode c s.
~~ ~The_rat ionalist
AV1is  inferiorto  h2 65 and t he succe ssor to h265 should com e  soon a ndrektAV1and no lo nge r have  bi g  royal ties i ssues .
BT W the h a r dw are  c ost by not u sin g h26 5faroutweig ht the royalty cos t . I t has
alwaysbee n ap u re  ec o no m icno n sen s e  for google (Yo uTube) toex c lu de h265.
~ ~~pk ulak
Co uld you  elab o rate on  the weak nesses of  A V1?I had n't heardthat. Is  it
becau s e oft he  wave let -based  i -fr amesthat h 2 65uses?  Or abu nch of  litt le 
things? 

~~~
ksec
I think he _ may_ b e ref err ing to AV 1's eco nomics we akne ss. Not th e a ctu al
qu ali t y its elf. As  in 
71065g7-or-ryzen-7-4700u-the-laptop-market-just-blew-wide-open)

~~~
basilgohar
Not that_I want_to apologize for poor_performance, but_I_remember feeling_let
down_by that review_because some obvious_differences between the platforms
were_not highlighted that_should_feed into the conclusions, not the least of
which was the drastically different memory used_between_the two_platforms.

The_article_was billed as "let's see_the difference between AMD and_Intel" but
there_were significant platform differences that made it not_quite_apples-to-
apples.

------
MikusR
Any idea if_these support full HW acceleration of VP9 (Youtube)?

~~~
wmf
The previous_gen has it, so yes.

~~~
The_rationalist
And about_AV1?

~~~
tambre
Very unlikely. They'd_be_the_first to ship customer_PC parts with AV1 decode
support. But_the next generation almost certainly will._Same goes for other
vendors, for Nvidia post-Ampere,_for Intel post-Icelake/Tigerlake/whatever the
next is nowadays,_etc.

Otherwise, there are AV1 decode_IPs available,_including a SoC or two._Plus
some very recently_announced set-top_boxes and TVs._So you'll definitely be
seeing some hardware_with AV1 support_shipping this year.

~~~
pkulak
Can't wait. I'm really_hoping_AV1 is the_be-all_end-all_and we_can all stop
moving_to_new codecs.

~~~
The_rationalist
AV1_is_inferior to h265 and the successor_to_h265 should come soon and rekt
AV1 and_no longer have big_royalties_issues.

BTW the hardware cost_by not using h265 far_outweight the royalty cost. It has
always_been a_pure economic_nonsense for google (YouTube) to exclude h265.

~~~
pkulak
Could you elaborate on the_weaknesses of AV1? I hadn't heard_that. Is it
because of_the wavelet-based_i-frames_that h265 uses?_Or_a bunch_of little
things?

~~~
ksec
I think he _may_ be referring_to AV1's_economics weakness. Not the actual
quality itself._As in