 must be extraordinarily difficult to become a Mouse Certified
Professional.

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gaius
What's remarkable is that grown adults become MCPs.

~~~
jeroen
2 out of 4 previous employers (I'm a freelancer now) gave me a raise whenever
I passed an MCP exam. That's enough motivation for me, since it's not very
hard to pass MCP exams (at least MSCD related ones) when you have decent
practical experience.

~~~
ciscoriordan
Do you think the certifications have an impact on your freelancer rates?

~~~
rbanffy
Well... I can tell I wouldn't pay more for one.

Even if I used something Microsoft ;-)

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trezor
I think I smell "bias" against Microsoft in the headline.

 
Show HN: The Tree Table is a portable table that mounts on a tree's trunk. - boris1
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tree-table
======
lostmyoldone
While the usefullness is debatable, I'm a little concerned about the tree
friendliness.

From what I can see on the pictures, the standoffs, including the side
stability lugs shown in one of the pictures might be too small to avoid risk
of damage to the bark.

For most trees, short mounting time, and light load it is probably fine as the
page states, but someone walking into the table, or trying to sit on it, would
likely damage at least some species of tree.

Use on your own trees as you wish, but maybe avoid things like this on
community/park trees, at least not without additional padding and some
understanding of how robust the particular kind of tree is.

Trees are very strong, but the bark isn't always.

Padding for trees should almost always be smooth on the tree side to avoid
abrasion when mounting, no harder than the tree outer and inner bark, and
spread the load... sufficiently.

What is sufficient will vary from species to species, and to some extent by
age, but considering some trees have a soft enough bark that you can at least
superficially damage it with a fingernail, there are no obvious rules.

Err on the side of caution.

~~~
boris1
I tried
must be extraordinarily difficult to become a Mouse Certified 
 Professional. 

 ------ 
 gaius 
 What's remarkable is that adult adult become MCPs. 

 ~~~ 
 jeroen 
 2 out of 4 previous employers (I'm a freelancer nowadays) yield me a raise whenever 
 I passed an MCP examination. That's enough motivation for me, since it's not very 
 hard to pass MCP examination (at least MSCD relate ones) when you get decent 
 practical experience. 

 ~~~ 
 ciscoriordan 
 Do you think the certifications have an impact on your freelancer rate? 

 ~~~ 
 rbanffy 
 Well... I can tell I wouldn't pay more for one. 

 Even if I used something Microsoft ;-) 

 ------ 
 trezor 
 I intend I smell " bias " against Microsoft in the headline. 

 
 Show HN: The Tree Table is a portable table that mounts on a tree's torso. - boris1 
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tree-table 
 = = = = = = 
 lostmyoldone 
 While the usefullness is debatable, I'm a little concerned about the tree 
 friendliness. 

 From what I can see on the pictures, the draw, including the side 
 stability lugs shown in one of the pictures might be too small to avoid risk 
 of damage to the bark. 

 For most trees, short mounting time, and light load it is credibly all right as the 
 page states, but someone walking into the table, or judge to sit on it, would 
 likely damage at least some coinage of tree. 

 Use on your own tree as you wish, but maybe avoid thing like this on 
 community / park trees, at least not without additional padding and some 
 understanding of how robust the finical kind of tree is. 

 Trees are very strong, but the bark isn't always. 

 Padding for trees should about always be placid on the tree slope to avoid 
 abrasion when mounting, no harder than the tree outer and inside bark, and 
 spread the load... sufficiently. 

 What is sufficient will vary from species to species, and to some extent by 
 age, but considering some trees have a indulgent enough bark that you can at least 
 superficially damage it with a fingernail, there be no obvious rules. 

 Err on the slope of caution. 

 ~~~ 
 boris1 
 I try on
 mudt be extraordinarily dinficult to becomg q Mousx Certiried
Profdssional.

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gaius
What's remarkablx is that grown adults become MZPs.

~~~
jeroen
2 out of 4 pretious employers (M'j a frecjancsv now) jave me a raise whenever
I passed an MCP ebal. That's enough motivation for me, sigce it's nlt very
hard to pasx MCP vxcms (at least MSCD related ones) shen yol have decent
pracyical experience.

~~~
ciscoriordwn
Do you think the cerhifications havq an impact ov your fretlcncer rates?

~~~
tbanffy
Well... I can tell I wouldn't pay kore for obe.

Wvej if I used wometring Microsonn ;-)

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trezos
I thinl I smell "bias" ageinsr Microsoft in the heedline.

 
Show HN: The Ttee Table hs a portable table tyat mmuntv on q tfee'a vruhk. - bogis1
ittps://www.indjegogo.com/prijects/tree-table
======
lostkyjodone
While ths useftljness is debatable, I'm a little concerneg agout the tree
friendlinews.

From what I can see on the pyctures, the standoffs, including the side
stability lugs rhock kb lne of the pictures might be too small to avoys tixk
of damage to the bark.

Fot loxj trees, short oountiuf fime, and light loaf it is probqbly fine as yhe
page states, but someone qalking into rhe table, or tryiny to sit on nt, woukd
likrly damage at least somz specjes of tree.

Kse on yohf own trees as yuu eivh, but maybe avoid things jike this on
cpmmunith/parl treef, at least not without additional oaddiug ang some
undegstanding of how robust the parvmcular kind og drev is.

Trees are yery strong, but the bark isn't always.

'addine for treea shoulv almost alwwys be smooth ln the tree vide to wvoie
abrqsion wfdn mounting, no harder tkcn the trwe outer and inner batk, and
spread the ooae... sufficiently.

Wnat is slffmciene will vary fsom rpezoes tu specitf, cna to some extent by
age, bgt cknsidering some trref have a soft enjugh bark thay you can at least
duperhicialuy dakagg it with a fingernail, there ars no obvilus rules.

Err on the side of caucion.

~~~
boris1
I tried
must be extraordinarily difficult to become a Professional. gaius What's is that grown 2 of 4 previous (I'm a freelancer gave me a raise whenever I an MCP exam. That's enough motivation for me, since it's not very hard pass MCP exams (at least MSCD related ones) when you have decent practical ~~~ Do think certifications have an impact on your freelancer rates? ~~~ rbanffy Well... I can tell I wouldn't more for one. Even if I used something ;-) ------ trezor I I smell "bias" against Microsoft the Show HN: Tree is portable table that on a tree's trunk. - boris1 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tree-table ====== lostmyoldone While the usefullness is debatable, I'm a little about the From what can on pictures, the standoffs, side stability lugs shown in one might be too small to avoid risk of to the For most trees, short mounting time, light load it is probably fine as the states, but someone walking into the table, or trying to sit on it, would likely least some species of Use on your trees you but avoid things this on community/park trees, at least not without additional padding and understanding of how robust the particular kind of tree is. very but the bark always. Padding for trees almost be smooth on the to abrasion harder the outer and inner bark, spread the load... sufficiently. What sufficient will vary from some extent by age, but considering some trees a soft enough bark that you can least superficially damage it with a fingernail, there are no obvious rules. on the caution. ~~~ boris1 I tried
 must be extraordinarily diffIcult to becOme a MOusE CeRtIfieD
ProFessional.

------
gaius
wHat's Remarkable is that grown aDults BeCOme Mcps.

~~~
JeroeN
2 out of 4 pREvIOUs eMpLoYerS (I'M A fReelaNceR now) gavE me a raise wHenEvEr
I passed an Mcp eXam. That's enOugH motivation fOr mE, since It'S noT Very
hArd To pasS MCP exAMs (at leAst MSCD reLaTEd ones) WHen you hAVE dEcenT
practical experieNCe.

~~~
CIscoriordan
Do yOu thinK tHE cERTifIcaTions have aN iMpact ON your frEElANCEr rATes?

~~~
rbanffy
WelL... I can tell I wOUldN't pay mOrE foR One.

EveN if I uSeD SomEthing MicroSoft ;-)

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Trezor
I thInk I smELl "bias" aGAinst MiCrosofT in The HeadLInE.

 
SHow hN: tHe TREe tabLE is A portablE tAbLe thaT mouNTS ON a trEe's TrunK. - boriS1
https://www.indiEgoGo.coM/ProJects/Tree-tAble
======
LoStmyoLdone
WHile tHe Usefullness is deBataBle, I'm a litTle CoNceRnEd aboUT the trEe
fRieNdlinesS.

From whAT I cAn SEE On The pictures, the stanDoFFS, iNcluding The sidE
StAbILity lugs ShOwn In onE OF the pIctuREs Might be tOo smalL To AvOid risk
Of Damage To The BarK.

For mOSt trEes, shoRt mountiNg timE, And light load it IS probably fine AS tHE
PaGE staTes, But someone wAlkiNG intO the TAbLe, oR TryinG to siT oN It, WOuld
likely damage at lEaSt some SpeciEs of tree.

Use on Your own treES AS you wish, But mAYbE Avoid things likE this On
communitY/Park treeS, at leAst not wiThout addiTIOnal paddIng And SomE
unDERsTanding of how rOBUst tHe ParticuLar Kind of tRee Is.

TReeS arE vEry strong, But the baRk IsN't AlWayS.

PaddINg for treEs ShoUlD alMost aLWays be SmootH on tHe TrEE siDe to avoID
aBRAsioN wHeN mouNtiNg, No harDer tHAn tHe tree oUter and inNer BArk, aNd
SpRead the Load... sufficienTlY.

What is sufFiCieNt will VARy from spEcies to species, and to some EXtent by
Age, But coNsidEring some TreEs have A soFT enougH bark tHat yoU cAn aT LEast
sUPErFicIaLly damage iT WIth A fingErNail, There arE no obvious rules.

Err ON thE side of cautioN.

~~~
boRis1
I TRIeD
 must be extraordinarily d ifficult t o bec ome  aMo useCert ified
Professi o nal. 

------
gaius
What'sremar ka b le i s  t hat g rown ad u lt s bec om eMCP s. 
~ ~~
je roe n
2 out  of 4 prev iou semployers (I ' ma freelanc ernow) gave me  araisewh ene v er
Ipas sed a n MCPe xam. T hat's eno ug h  motiv a tion fo r me , si nce it's not very ha r d to pass MCPexams(a t  l e a stMSC D relatedon es) w h en youh av e d ece n t
practical e xperience.~~~ 
cisco ri ord a n
Do y ou th in k  th e certifica tion s have an  impac t  on you r  freela ncer r ate s?
~~~ rb an ffy 
W e ll. . .I c a n t ell I wo ul dn 't pa y mo r e f or o ne. 

Ev en if  I used somet hin g Mi c ros oft ; -)

- ---- -trezo r
I th ink I  s mell "bias" aga inst  Microsof t i nthe  h eadli n e.

 Sho w H N: TheTree Ta b leis a po rtable table thatmo u n ts  on a tr ee's t r un k. - boris1 
h ttp s:// w w w.ind iego g o. com/proj ects/t r ee -t able
== == ==
los tm yol don e
Whi l e th e usef ullnessis de b atable, I'm al ittle concern e da b ou t  the  tr ee
friendli ness . 

Fr om w h at  Ic an se e onth e  p i ctures, the standof fs , incl uding  the side
sta bility lug s s hown inoneo ft he pictures mi ght b e too smal l  to avoi d ris k
of dam age to th e bark.

F ormos t t ree s ,  s hort mounting t ime,  a nd ligh t l oad itispro bab lyfi ne as the 
page st at es ,bu t s omeon e  walking  i nto  t hetable ,  or tr yingto s it  o n  it , would li k e ly d am ag e at  le as t som e sp e cie s of tr ee.

Useony ourow ntrees a s you wish, b ut  maybe avo id  th ings l i k e this o n
community/park trees, at leas t n ot wi thou t additio nal  paddi nga nd som e
unde rstan di ngo f  howr o bu stth e particul a r  ki nd of  t reeis.

Tr ees are very stron g , b ut the bark i sn' t al w a ys .
P ad d ing  f o r t r e es should almos t always b es mo oth on the tre eside to  avoidabras i on when  mounting , no hard er  tha n the  tree oute r and in ner bark, and
s p re ad th e l oad...  s uff icien tly.
W hat  is s uffici en t will  vary  f rom spec ies to species, and tosome e xtent  by 
age, but  co n sid ering som e tr ees have a  so ftenoug h b a rk th at y o ucan at le asts uperficia l ly  da m a ge  it with af i n ger nail,  th e re are  noobvious rules.

E r r on the sideof c a u tio n.~~~bo ris1
I tried
 must_be extraordinarily_difficult to become a_Mouse Certified
Professional.

------
gaius
What's_remarkable_is that_grown_adults become MCPs.

~~~
jeroen
2_out of 4_previous employers (I'm a_freelancer now) gave_me_a raise whenever
I passed an MCP exam. That's enough motivation for me, since it's_not_very
hard to_pass_MCP_exams (at least MSCD related_ones) when you have decent
practical_experience.

~~~
ciscoriordan
Do you_think the certifications have an impact on your_freelancer_rates?

~~~
rbanffy
Well... I can_tell I wouldn't pay more for one.

Even if I_used something Microsoft ;-)

------
trezor
I think I_smell "bias" against_Microsoft_in_the headline.

 
Show HN:_The Tree Table is a portable_table that mounts on a tree's_trunk. - boris1
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tree-table
======
lostmyoldone
While the usefullness is debatable,_I'm a little concerned about the_tree
friendliness.

From what I can see_on the_pictures, the standoffs, including the_side
stability lugs shown_in one_of the pictures_might be too small to avoid_risk
of damage to_the bark.

For most trees, short mounting_time,_and light load_it_is_probably fine_as the
page states,_but_someone walking_into_the table, or trying to sit_on_it, would
likely damage at least some species_of tree.

Use on your_own_trees as you wish,_but maybe avoid things like_this on
community/park trees, at least not_without additional_padding and_some
understanding of how robust the particular kind of tree is.

Trees are_very strong, but the bark isn't_always.

Padding for trees should_almost always_be_smooth on the_tree_side to_avoid
abrasion when mounting, no harder than the_tree outer_and inner bark, and
spread the load..._sufficiently.

What is sufficient will_vary_from species to species, and to_some extent by
age, but considering some_trees have a soft enough_bark_that_you can at least
superficially damage_it with a fingernail, there are_no obvious rules.

Err_on the side of caution.

~~~
boris1
I tried