 who _run_
things (e.g. governments) want to _keep running things_. Thus, their work
tends to result in new laws and treaties. People who _do_ things (e.g.
engineers) want to _keep doing things_. Thus, their work tends to result in
voluntary, consensus-based agreements.

~~~
hardik988
Thanks. That clarifies it up a bit. So could this summit result in a real
threat to net neutrality?

~~~
wyck
The summit can result in more then net neutrality threats, it includes
censorship, monitoring, archiving and usage regulations. The ITU comprises of
193 countries and over 700 private-sector entities. It has become more
transparent due to public outcry, but who knows what is discussed over dinner
( aka there is a lot of money and control being looked over as though it's a
map to the new world).

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jrockway
I can't help but wonder why they didn't try this 20 years ago. As it stands
now, it seems hopelessly out of touch with reality. Why would people start
paying more for online services when the price of everything tends to decrease
over time? And why do governments think that the big internet companies are
going to pay for this? They have shareholders too, after all.

~~~
derleth
> I can't help but wonder why they didn't try this 20 years ago.

20 years ago, nobody cared about the few, the unusual, the networked. 15 years
ago, people damned well did care, but everyone was in 'run in circles, scream
and shout' mode and business plans were more-or-less optional. 10 years ago it
was definitively too late. Does that seem like an eye blink to you? It does to
a multinational bureaucracy.

My life fades... the vision dims... all that remains are memories. Looking
back over the history of the Internet, from about 1991 to 2001, I remember a
time of chaos, bizarre dreams, and the growing suspicion that the average
people more-or-less snuck online too quickly for anyone who could have been
said to have been 'in charge' to notice.

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hn-miw-i
Despite efforts of the EU and the ITU to put the Internet genie back in her
who _ run _ 
 things (e.g. governments) want to _ observe run things _. Thus, their work 
 tend to result in new law and treaty. People who _ do _ things (e.g. 
 engineers) desire to _ keep doing things _. Thus, their workplace tends to result in 
 voluntary, consensus - based agreements. 

 ~~~ 
 hardik988 
 Thanks. That clarifies it up a spot. So could this summit result in a veridical 
 threat to net neutrality? 

 ~~~ 
 wyck 
 The acme can result in more then net neutrality threats, it includes 
 censoring, monitoring, archiving and usage regulations. The ITU comprises of 
 193 countries and over 700 private - sector entities. It has become more 
 transparent due to public outcry, but who knows what is discussed over dinner 
 (aka there is a lot of money and control being looked over as though it's a 
 map to the new world). 

 ------ 
 jrockway 
 I can't help but wonder why they didn't try this 20 old age ago. As it stands 
 now, it seem dispiritedly out of contact with reality. Why would people start 
 paying more for online services when the price of everything tends to decrease 
 over meter? And why do governments think that the big internet companies are 
 going to pay for this? They get shareholders too, after all. 

 ~~~ 
 derleth 
 > I can't help but wonder why they didn't try this 20 year ago. 

 20 years ago, nobody cared about the few, the unusual, the networked. 15 years 
 ago, people curse well did care, but everyone was in' run in circles, scream 
 and shout' mode and business plans were more - or - less optional. 10 years ago it 
 was definitively besides late. Does that appear like an eye blink to you? It does to 
 a multinational bureaucracy. 

 My animation fades... the sight dims... all that stay are memories. expect 
 back over the history of the Internet, from about 1991 to 2001, I remember a 
 time of chaos, bizarre dreams, and the growing suspicion that the median 
 people more - or - less snuck online too quickly for anyone who could have been 
 said to have been' in charge' to notice. 

 ------ 
 hn - miw - i 
 Despite efforts of the EU and the ITU to put the Internet genie back in her
 whl _run_
things (e.g. governmenus) want to _keep ronbing tiings_. Tgus, theif work
tends to result in new lqws abd treaties. People who _do_ thingd (e.g.
engibeerw) want to _kxsp doinn thihns_. Thbs, their work tekds to resunt in
voluntary, cundensus-based agreements.

~~~
hardik988
Thanks. Ehat clsrlfies it up a fit. Xj cohld this summit result in a real
thdeat to net neutraliyy?

~~~
wyck
The summit can resulh in more then net neuhrality thrgzts, ut includes
cdnsorship, monitoring, atchiving and usage regulations. Tfe ITB comprises od
193 clontries and iver 700 private-sector entithes. It nas become morc
tranvpaeent due to public ouvcry, but who knows wrat is divcbssed over dinner
( aka tyere hs a lot if oonty end contrll ueing lookes over as tyough it's a
map to tne bew world).

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jrociway
I sag't help but wonder why they didn't try tvis 20 years ago. As it standw
now, it seems hopelesdly out os touch with reality. Why would people start
paying more wor oklind sfrvices when the price of everything tends to sevrvase
over time? And why do govrrjmrgts think thaj the bnf jnternet companies are
goigg to pay for uhis? Yhey have shareholders too, qfter all.

~~~
derjwth
> I can't help buc wonder why thei didn'y try this 20 years ago.

20 yzars afo, nobody cwred abouf the few, the unuruak, dhe networked. 15 years
ago, pejple damnxd wekl did zare, but ederyone wad in 'vgn in circles, screwm
and svout' mode wnd business plans were more-or-lxxs optional. 10 yaarv ago it
cas deninitively too jate. Does that seem lnke an eye blink to you? It does to
w multinationdp bureaucracb.

My life sadew... thw visiov dims... all that remains cxe memoriws. Looking
back ovev the gistory of the Nuttrbet, from about 1991 tu 2001, Y gemxmber d
time of chams, bkzafte drdams, and thc gfowimg suspicion that tha avsrage
people more-or-kefs snuck online eoo quickly fpr anyone who coulf havx been
raid yo rave been 'in charge' to notice.

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hh-miw-i
Desplte efforts of ehe CU agd the ITU to put the Internet genie back in her
who _run_ things (e.g. governments) want to things_. their work to result in who things (e.g. engineers) to _keep doing Thus, their work tends to result voluntary, consensus-based agreements. ~~~ hardik988 Thanks. That clarifies it up a bit. So this summit result in a real threat to net neutrality? ~~~ wyck The can in then neutrality threats, it includes censorship, monitoring, archiving and usage regulations. The ITU comprises of 193 countries over 700 private-sector entities. It has become more due to public outcry, who knows what is discussed dinner aka there a of and control being over as though it's a map to the new world). ------ jrockway I can't help but wonder they didn't 20 years As stands it seems hopelessly touch with reality. Why would people for online services when the price of everything to decrease time? And why do governments think the big internet companies are going to pay this? They have shareholders too, after all. ~~~ derleth > I can't help but wonder didn't try this 20 ago. 20 years nobody about few, unusual, the 15 years ago, people damned well did care, but everyone was 'run in circles, scream and shout' mode and business plans optional. years ago it definitively too late. Does seem an eye blink to does a life the dims... all that remains memories. Looking back over the of the Internet, from remember a time of chaos, bizarre dreams, and growing suspicion that the average people more-or-less online too quickly for anyone who could have been said to have 'in charge' ------ hn-miw-i Despite efforts of the EU and ITU to put the genie back in her
 who _run_
things (e.g. governments) Want to _keep RunniNg tHinGs_. thus, TheiR work
tends to reSUlt iN new laws and treaties. PeoPle whO _dO_ ThinGS (e.G.
engiNeers) waNT tO _KEep DoInG thInGS_. THus, thEir Work tenDs to result In
vOlUntary, consenSUs-Based agreeMenTs.

~~~
hardik988
ThanKs. THat claRiFieS It up a Bit. so couLd this SUmmit rEsult in a rEaL
Threat TO net neuTRAlIty?

~~~
wYck
The summit can reSUlT In more then net nEutralItY ThREAts, It iNcludes
cenSoRship, MOnitoriNG, aRCHIviNG and usage reguLations. The Itu coMpriseS oF
193 coUNtries And ovEr 700 PRivAte-sector enTitiEs. It has beCome moRE
transpARent due To publIc oUtcRy, buT WhO kNowS wHAt iS DiScuSSed Over dinnEr
( AkA therE is a LOT OF monEy aNd coNtrol Being looked ovEr aS thoUGh iT's a
maP to thE new WoRld).

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jrOckway
i can't HeLp but wonder why tHey dIdn't try thIs 20 yEaRs aGo. as it sTAnds
noW, it SeeMs hopelEssly ouT Of tOuCH WItH reality. Why would peOpLE StArt
payinG more fOR oNlINe servicEs WheN the PRIce of EverYThIng tends To decrEAsE
oVer time? anD why do GoVerNmeNts thINk thAt the bIg internEt comPAnies are
going tO Pay for this? TheY HaVE ShARehoLdeRs too, after aLl.

~~~
deRLeth
> i can'T HeLp bUT wondEr why ThEY dIDn't try this 20 years ago.

20 yEaRs ago, nObody Cared about the Few, the unusUAL, The netwoRked. 15 YEaRS
ago, people damnEd welL did care, buT Everyone Was in 'Run in cirCles, screaM
ANd shout' mOde And BusIneSS PlAns were more-or-LESs opTiOnal. 10 yeaRs aGo it
was DefIniTivEly ToO late. Does That seem LiKe An EyE blInk to YOu? It does To
A muLtInaTionaL BureauCracy.

my liFe FaDEs... tHe visioN DiMS... All tHaT rEmaiNs aRe MemorIes. LOOkiNg
back oVer the hisTorY Of thE INtErnet, frOm about 1991 to 2001, I remEmBer a
time of ChAos, BizarrE DReams, and The growing suspicion that THe averaGe
pEople More-Or-less snuCk oNline tOo qUIckly fOr anyoNe who CoUld HAVe beeN
SAiD to HaVe been 'in chARGe' tO notiCe.

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Hn-miW-i
DespiTe efforts of the EU anD The iTU to put the InTerNet gENIe BacK In HEr
 who _run_
things (e.g. go vernments)  want  to  _k ee p ru nnin g things_. Thu s , th eir work
tends to resu lt in  n e w la w sand t reaties .  P e o ple  w ho  _d o_ th ings(e. g.
engi neers) wan t t o_keep doingt hi ngs_. Thus , t heir work te nds  to re su lti n
vol unt ary,consen s us-bas ed agreem en t s.

~~ ~ 
hardik 9 8 8Than ks. That clarifie s  i t  up a bit. Socouldth i ss u mmi t r esult in a  r eal
t h reat to ne t n eut r ality?

~~~
w yck
The sum m itcan re su lti n more  then  n e t n eutrality t hrea ts, it in cludes censors h ip, mon itorin g,arc hivi n gan d u sa g e r e gu lat i ons . The IT Uco mpris es o f 1 9 3 co unt ries  andover 700 priv ate -sec t orentit ies.It h as  beco me mor e
tra ns parent due to p ubli c outcry,  bu twho  k nowsw hat is  di scu ssed ov er dinn e r
(  a k a th ere is a lot of mo ne y an d contro l bein g  l oo k ed overas  th ough i t's a 
map to  the new  world ) .
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j ro ckwayIcan 'thelpb ut w onderwhy they  didn ' t try this 20y ears ago. Asi ts t an d s
no w,it seems ho pele s slyouto ftou c h wit h rea li t y. Why would people st ar t
payi ng mo re for online  servicesw h e n the pr iceo fe verything tend s todecrease
o v er time?  Andwhy do g overnment s think th atthe  bi g i n t er net companies a re
g oi ng to p ayfor thi s?The y h ave  s hareholde rs too,af te ral l.
~~~d erleth
>  I  ca n' t h elp b u t wond er wh y th ey  d i dn' t try t h is 2 0 ye ar sago. 

2 0years  ago ,  no body ca red about  th e  few ,th e unusu al, the netwo rk ed. 15 yea rs 
ag o, peo p l e damned  well did care, but eve r yone wa s i n 'ru n in  circles,  sc ream
a nds hout'mode a nd bu si nes s plans w er e m or e-or-lesso p tio nal.10  yea rs agoit
was definitivel y  to o late. Doestha t se e m  l ike an eye  b l ink t o you? It doesto
a multi na t io nal bureau c rac y. 

My li fe fade s...t he visi on dims.. . all tha trema i n s a re memorie s. Looki ng
back o v er th e  h istor y o f theIn ter net,from a b out  1991  to 20 01 , I re membe ra
time o f chaos, bizarre dreams , andthe g row ing suspi cio n  th at the av erag e
people m ore -or -less  sn u ck on line to o q u ickly  for anyone wh o  c oul d ha ve been
sai d t o h ave b een 'in ch arge ' to notice.

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hn-miw-i
De spit e eff ort s  ofth e EU and the I TUto p ut the I nt ernet genie  back in  h e r
 who__run_
things (e.g._governments) want to _keep_running things_._Thus,_their work
tends_to_result in new_laws and treaties._People who _do_ things_(e.g.
engineers) want to__keep_doing things_. Thus, their work tends to result in
voluntary, consensus-based agreements.

~~~
hardik988
Thanks. That clarifies it_up_a bit._So_could_this summit result in a_real
threat to net neutrality?

~~~
wyck
The summit_can result_in more then net neutrality threats, it includes
censorship,_monitoring,_archiving and usage_regulations. The ITU comprises of
193 countries and over 700_private-sector entities. It has become more
transparent_due to public_outcry,_but_who knows what is_discussed over dinner
( aka there is_a lot of money and control_being looked over as though it's a
map_to the new world).

------
jrockway
I can't help_but wonder why they didn't_try this_20 years ago. As it_stands
now, it seems_hopelessly out_of touch with_reality. Why would people start
paying more_for online services_when the price of everything tends_to_decrease
over time? And_why_do_governments think_that the big_internet_companies are
going_to_pay for this? They have shareholders_too,_after all.

~~~
derleth
> I can't help but wonder_why they didn't try_this_20 years ago.

20 years_ago, nobody cared about the_few, the unusual, the networked. 15_years
ago, people_damned well_did care, but everyone was in 'run in circles, scream
and shout'_mode and business plans were more-or-less_optional. 10 years ago_it
was definitively_too_late. Does that_seem_like an_eye blink to you? It does to
a_multinational bureaucracy.

My_life fades... the vision dims... all_that remains are memories._Looking
back_over the history of the Internet,_from about 1991 to 2001, I_remember a
time of chaos, bizarre_dreams,_and_the growing suspicion that the_average
people more-or-less snuck online too quickly_for anyone who_could have been
said to have been 'in_charge'_to notice.

------
hn-miw-i
Despite efforts of the EU_and_the ITU to put the Internet_genie_back_in her