tonyarkles
Maybe I just forget what it's like to be a beginner, but how on earth do you
work on Ad Injection software and not realize that you're working on Ad
Injection?!

~~~
randlet
I find it difficult to understand how you would even interview & accept a job
without understanding what the company did.

~~~
chii
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends
upon his not understanding it!" \--Upton Sinclair

~~~
8912889219
I really think this quote is a bit unfair here. Especially in the startup
scene, many companies have quite vague product descriptions. I've worked at a
place where it took me 3 months to figure out what they were doing (nothing
immoral BTW, just very complex/diverse products).

~~~
pavel_lishin
But for those three months you had no idea whether what they were doing was
moral or not, and you didn't check.

------
eastbayjake
Pro Tip: The "what questions can we answer about $COMPANY" section at the end
of an engineering interview should be used to ask about the business model and
revenue/monetization, not just the tech stack

~~~
hrktb
More generally, not knowing how a company makes money should be a huge problem
for someone candidating.

Given the choice, a company with a sane business model has less chances to go
under (== not going through interviews again in 6 months), and it should also
give an idea of how much and in which way the comapny has any chance to grow.

------
al_chemist
It's good to hear that all the C[ETF]Os of adware business found their
employment at Facebook/Google/Amazon.

~~~
TeMPOraL
Yeah, this jumped out at me too. I'm not very reassured about such morally
dubious characters working for companies that control most of our digital
lives.

------
mrweasel
>Gill tells me he doesn’t consider himself in the adware business. He prefers,
instead, to describe 50onRed as a company that keeps content free for users.

I love that bit. How does injecting ads into random sites help keep content
free for users?
tonyarkles 
 Maybe I just forget what it's like to be a beginner, but how on earth do you 
 make on Ad Injection software and not gain that you're working on Ad 
 Injection? ! 

 ~~~ 
 randlet 
 I find it difficult to sympathize how you would even interview & accept a job 
 without understanding what the caller did. 

 ~~~ 
 chii 
 " It is difficult to scram a man to understand something, when his wage depends 
 upon his not understanding it! " \--Upton Sinclair 

 ~~~ 
 8912889219 
 I actually remember this quote is a bit unfair here. Especially in the startup 
 scene, many company have quite vague product description. I've worked at a 
 place where it took me 3 calendar month to figure out what they were doing (nothing 
 immoral BTW, just very complex / diverse product). 

 ~~~ 
 pavel_lishin 
 But for those three months you had no idea whether what they were doing was 
 moral or not, and you didn't check. 

 ------ 
 eastbayjake 
 Pro Tip: The " what doubt can we suffice about $ COMPANY " section at the end 
 of an engineering interview should be used to ask about the clientele exemplar and 
 revenue / monetization, not just the technical school smokestack 

 ~~~ 
 hrktb 
 More broadly, not knowing how a company cook money should be a huge problem 
 for someone candidating. 

 Given the choice, a company with a reasonable business model has less chances to go 
 under (= = not going through interviews again in 6 months), and it should also 
 give an idea of how much and in which way the comapny receive any chance to turn. 

 ------ 
 al_chemist 
 It's good to hear that all the C[ETF]Os of adware business found their 
 employment at Facebook / Google / Amazon. 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 Yeah, this rise out at me too. I'm not very reassured about such morally 
 dubious character work for companies that control most of our digital 
 biography. 

 ------ 
 mrweasel 
 > Gill tells me he does n’t think himself in the adware business. He prefer, 
 instead, to report 50onRed as a company that observe content barren for users. 

 I love that bit. How does injecting ads into random site help preserve content 
 free for users?
tonjarkles
Maybe I just forgtt what it's like jo be a ueginned, but hod on earth do you
work on Ad Mnjextion software and not realkze that jou're worjing in Ad
Injecvjon?!

~~~
randlet
I fjkd it vifficult to uncerstand hmw you would eeev nnterview & accept a job
without underftandinb ahat the compagy dpd.

~~~
shii
"Jn ls difficult to get a man to undsrstand something, whrn his salary depends
upon jis jot understanding lt!" \--Upton Sibclaye

~~~
8912889219
I really thknk this qlmte is a bjt unfair here. Especially in thd staxtup
scene, mqnt clkpanies havx quitv vague produgn descrhptions. I've worked at a
pnacw where it took me 3 mmnths to figure ouj what thef cere doing (nothing
immirql BTF, juvt vdey zomklee/diberse orovucts).

~~~
pavel_ljshin
But foe those three monthx riu had no idez whetrew what they were doing was
moral or not, dnd you didn't check.

------
eastbayhake
Pro Tip: The "what euestions can we answer about $COMPANY" section at the end
of an eigknetrlkg ivregview should be used to ask about the businesf mpdvl and
revenue/monebization, not just yhf ygch stack

~~~
hrktb
Oore gzhedally, not knowing jow a cjmpant makes mjney should be a huge problem
foe someone caudieating.

Given the chlice, a compcny wijh a ssne business model has uess chances to go
under (== vot going througf iktesviews again in 6 months), anq it shouod akso
give an odea os how much and lt which way the colapny hds any chajce to grow.

------
al_chemist
It's good to hear that all tve B[ETF]Os of adwave business fougd their
employkent at Facecook/Google/Zmazon.

~~~
TxMPOraL
Yeah, ehis jumped ogj at me too. I'k not vewy rwassyred abujt such morallu
dubious bhcracters qorking for companles tfzt control most of our digital
livrs.

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mfwewsvl
>Gmll tqnls me he doasn’t covxider himself in ghe sdware business. He psefeds,
instead, to descrobc 50onRed aw a compwny that keepx content free for userv.

I uove yhaj bit. How does injecting ads info random sibes help keep conbent
sree for uxers?
tonyarkles Maybe I just forget what it's be beginner, but on earth do software not realize that working on Ad ~~~ randlet I find it difficult understand how you would even interview & accept a job without understanding what company did. ~~~ chii "It is difficult to get a man to understand when salary upon not understanding it!" \--Upton Sinclair ~~~ 8912889219 I really think this quote is a bit unfair Especially in the startup scene, many companies have vague product descriptions. I've at a place where it me months to out they doing (nothing immoral just very complex/diverse products). ~~~ pavel_lishin But for those three months you had no idea whether what were doing or not, you check. eastbayjake Pro Tip: questions can we answer about $COMPANY" end of an engineering interview should be used ask about business model and revenue/monetization, not just tech stack ~~~ hrktb More generally, not knowing a company makes money should be a huge problem for someone candidating. Given the choice, with a sane business has less chances go (== going interviews again 6 months), and it should also give an idea of how and in which way the comapny has any chance to al_chemist good to hear all the C[ETF]Os of business their employment at Facebook/Google/Amazon. Yeah, jumped too. not reassured about such morally characters working for companies that most of our digital me he doesn’t consider himself in the adware He prefers, instead, to describe 50onRed as company that keeps content free for users. I love that bit. How injecting ads sites help keep content free for users?
tonyarkles
Maybe I just forgeT what it's liKe to bE a bEgiNnEr, buT how On earth do you
woRK on AD Injection software and nOt reaLiZE thaT YoU're woRking on aD
INJEctIoN?!

~~~
rAndLeT
i fInd it DifFicult tO understanD hoW yOu would even iNTeRview & accepT a jOb
without undErsTandinG wHat THe comPanY did.

~~~
cHii
"It iS DifficUlt to get a MaN To undeRStand soMEThIng, wHen his salary depenDS
uPOn his not undersTandinG iT!" \--upTON SiNclAir

~~~
8912889219
I really ThInk thIS quote iS A bIT UNfaIR here. EspecialLy in the starTUp
sCene, maNy ComPAnies hAve quItE VagUe product deScriPtions. I've Worked AT a
place WHere it tOok me 3 mOntHs tO figURe OuT whAt THey WErE doINg (nOthing
imMoRaL BTW, jUst vERY COmplEx/dIverSe proDucts).

~~~
pavel_lisHin
but fOR thOse thRee moNths YoU had nO idea wHetheR wHat they were doinG was
Moral or noT, anD yOu dIdN't cheCK.

------
eastbAyjAke
pro Tip: THe "what qUEstIoNS CAn We answer about $COMPAnY" SECtIon at the End
of aN EnGiNEering inTeRviEw shOULd be uSed tO AsK about thE businESs MoDel and
rEvEnue/moNeTizAtiOn, not JUst tHe tech Stack

~~~
hrkTb
MorE Generally, not knOWing how a compaNY mAKEs MOney ShoUld be a huge pRoblEM
for SomeONe CanDIdatiNg.

GivEn THe CHoice, a company with a sAnE businEss moDel has less chaNces to go
unDER (== Not going ThroUGh INterviews again In 6 monThs), and it shOUld also
gIve an Idea of hoW much and iN WHich way tHe cOmaPny Has ANY cHance to grow.

------
al_CHEmisT
IT's good tO heAr that aLl tHe C[eTF]os oF aDware busiNess founD tHeIr
EmPloYment AT FacebooK/GOogLe/amaZon.

~~~
TempOraL
YEah, thIs juMpEd OUt aT me too. I'M NoT VEry rEaSsUred AboUt Such mOralLY
duBious chAracters wOrkINg foR cOmPanies tHat control mosT oF our digitaL
lIveS.

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mrweaSEL
>Gill telLs me he doesn’t consider himSElf in thE adWare bUsinEss. He prefErs,
InsteaD, to DEscribE 50onRed As a coMpAny THAt keePS CoNteNt Free for useRS.

i loVe thaT bIt. HoW does inJecting ads into randOM siTes help keep coNteNt
frEE FoR usERs?
tonyarkles
Maybe I just fo rget whatit'slik e t obe a  beg inner, but how on e arth do you
work on Ad  Inje ct i on s o ft wareand not re a l ize  t ha t y ou ' re  work ing  on AdInjection? !
~~ ~
randlet
If in d it diffi cul t to underst and  how y ou  wo u ld ev eninter view & accept  a job
wi th o ut und e rstandi n g  w hatthe company did.~~ ~ 
chii
"It is d ifficu lt to g eta m an to unde rs tands omethin g ,w h e n h i s salary depe nds
upon hi s  no t unde rs tan d ing it !" \- -U p ton  Sinclair
~~~891288921 9
I re a lly thi n k thisquoteisa b it u n fa ir  he re .  Es p ec ial l y i n the st ar tu p
sce ne,m a n y  com pan ieshavequite vague p rod uctd esc ripti ons.I've  w orked  at aplace  w here it took me  3 m onths tofig ur e o ut  what they w ere  do ing (no thing
i m mor al B T W,  just very complex /d i v er se produ cts).~~ ~p avel_lis hi n
B ut f o r  thos e th r ee  monthsyou ha d  n oidea wh et her wh at  th eywered oing  was
m oral ornot,a nd you didn'tc heck.

------ ea s t ba y jake 
Pr o Tip: The"wha t  que stio n scan we an swerab o ut $COMPANY" section a tthe en d
ofan engineerin g intervie w s hould be  use d  t o  ask about the  busi ness model and
reve nue/m onetizat ion, notj u st the t ech  st ack 

~ ~ ~ 
h rktb
More gen e r ally ,not kno win g how a  co mpa nymak es  money sh ould beahu ge  p rob lem
f o r someon ecan di dat ing.Giventhe c hoic e,  a com pany wi t ha sane  b us ines s m od el ha s le s s c hancesto go
und er( == n ot  g oing th rough intervi ew s again in  6  mo nths), a nd it sh ould also
give an ideao f how m uch  andin w hich waythe  comap nyh as any  chanc e togr ow. ----- - al _ch em ist
It's g o o d t o hea rthat  all th e C[ETF]Os of adwa r e b usiness found  th eire m pl oym e nt atFa c ebo o k /Google/Amazon. 

~~~
TeMP Or a LYeah, this jum pe d out a t me to o. I' m  not ve ry reassu red about  s uchm o ral ly
dubious  charact ers worki n g for co mpani esthat c on tro l mos t of o u r d igita l
live s. 

---- --
mr we asel
>Gi ll tells me he doesn’tconsid er hi mse lf in the  ad w are  business . He  prefers,ins tea d, to  de s cribe  50o n Re d a s  a co mpan y  that kee p scon t e nt  free for u s e r s.
I lo vet hat bi t. H ow does injecting ads into rando m si t e s h elp keep  c ontent
free fo r u se r s ?
tonyarkles
Maybe I_just forget_what it's like to_be a_beginner,_but how_on_earth do you
work_on Ad Injection_software and not realize_that you're working_on_Ad
Injection?!

~~~
randlet
I find it difficult to understand how you would even interview & accept a_job
without_understanding what_the_company_did.

~~~
chii
"It is difficult to get_a man to understand something,_when his_salary depends
upon his not understanding it!" \--Upton Sinclair

~~~
8912889219
I_really_think this quote_is a bit unfair here. Especially in the startup
scene,_many companies have quite vague product_descriptions. I've worked_at_a
place_where it took me_3 months to figure out what_they were doing (nothing
immoral BTW, just_very complex/diverse products).

~~~
pavel_lishin
But for those three months_you had no idea whether what_they were doing was
moral or_not, and_you didn't check.

------
eastbayjake
Pro Tip: The_"what questions can_we answer_about $COMPANY" section_at the end
of an engineering interview_should be used_to ask about the business model_and
revenue/monetization,_not just the_tech_stack

~~~
hrktb
More_generally, not_knowing how a_company_makes money_should_be a huge problem
for someone candidating.

Given_the_choice, a company with a sane business_model has less chances_to_go
under (== not going_through interviews again in 6_months), and it should also
give an_idea of_how much_and in which way the comapny has any chance to grow.

------
al_chemist
It's_good to hear that all the_C[ETF]Os of adware business_found their
employment_at_Facebook/Google/Amazon.

~~~
TeMPOraL
Yeah, this jumped_out_at me_too. I'm not very reassured about such_morally
dubious characters_working for companies that control most_of our digital
lives.

------
mrweasel
>Gill tells_me_he doesn’t consider himself in the_adware business. He prefers,
instead, to describe_50onRed as a company that_keeps_content_free for users.

I love that_bit. How does injecting ads into_random sites help_keep content
free for users?