 stuck in legacy HTML and most of the
web give way to this new hotness in 10 years or so -- and the rest run in
legacy-mode in stricter sandboxes.

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saosebastiao
Why isn't it possible to dynamically link to the browser engine and js
runtime? Isn't that the whole point of dynamic linking?

~~~
Const-me
Technically possible.

The main problem, people developing apps on top of that framework will have to
deal with compatibility issues across various browsers and their versions.

On Windows (including mobiles), the only embeddable browser is Internet
Explorer.

On OSX, iOS and Androids since 4.4, it’s different versions of Blink.

Electron solves this problem by redistributing a specific version of the
browser, this way the app no longer depends on the OS and its updates.

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sanbor
Maybe some day desktop OSs will adopt the save model that iOS and have a
webkit component. That may allow different browsers and electron app to
reuse/share components (i.e. Webrtc, etc.)

~~~
floatboth
macOS had a WebView for _ages_. Same on Windows, though unless it's the latest
version of Windows you get a crappy old IE engine. On X11, you can use
QtWebKit/WebKitGTK.

But web developers wanted to have a super recent engine and the same one
across operating systems so we have what we have.

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tinus_hn
These qualities aren't Flash's achievement. The plugin model allowed people to
experiment and try out a lot of different approaches.

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makkesk8
Funny how people are bashing electron when games have embedded chromium for
years.

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TillE
As a web browser, yes. It's not even suitable as a game UI, basically just for
displaying websites.

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BuuQu9hu
As participation increases, quality declines, unless there are structural
safeguards built into the system. I see nothing in Electron which suggests
structural quality. I wonder whether rose-colored glasses are overly tinting
the viewpoints of folks in the JS community.

~~~
tree_of_item
> As participation increases, quality declines, unless there are structural
stuck in legacy HTML and most of the 
 web give direction to this newfangled hotness in 10 years or so -- and the respite run in 
 legacy - manner in stricter sandboxes. 

 ------ 
 saosebastiao 
 Why isn't it potential to dynamically connect to the browser engine and js 
 runtime? Isn't that the solid point of dynamic linking? 

 ~~~ 
 Const - me 
 Technically potential. 

 The main problem, citizenry developing apps on top of that model will have to 
 deal with compatibility issues across respective browsers and their versions. 

 On Windows (include mobiles), the lone embeddable browser is Internet 
 Explorer. 

 On OSX, iOS and Androids since 4.4, it ’s different versions of Blink. 

 Electron solves this problem by redistributing a specific interpretation of the 
 browser, this way the app no longer depends on the OS and its updates. 

 ------ 
 sanbor 
 Maybe some day desktop OSs will adopt the save model that iOS and have a 
 webkit component. That may allow different browsers and electron app to 
 reuse / share components (i.e. Webrtc, etc .) 

 ~~~ 
 floatboth 
 macOS had a WebView for _ age _. Same on Windows, though unless it's the latest 
 interpretation of Windows you get a crappy old IE engine. On X11, you can practice 
 QtWebKit / WebKitGTK. 

 But web developer wanted to have a ace recent engine and the same one 
 across operating systems so we have what we have. 

 ------ 
 tinus_hn 
 These qualities aren't Flash's achievement. The plugin model allowed people to 
 experiment and try out a set of unlike approach. 

 ------ 
 makkesk8 
 Funny how people are bashing electron when games have implant chromium for 
 years. 

 ~~~ 
 TillE 
 As a web browser, yes. It's not even suitable as a plot UI, basically just for 
 display websites. 

 ------ 
 BuuQu9hu 
 As participation increase, quality decline, unless there are structural 
 precaution built into the arrangement. I see nothing in Electron which suggest 
 structural timbre. I wonder whether rose - colored glasses are excessively tinting 
 the viewpoints of folks in the JS community. 

 ~~~ 
 tree_of_item 
 > As participation increases, quality declines, unless there are structural
 stkck in legacy HTML and must of the
web gnce way to thjs new hutness in 10 years or so -- and vhe eest eun in
legacy-mode in stficter sajdboxes.

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sqoseuastiao
Why isn't mf possinje tk dyncmmcally link to jhe browser angine and js
rgngile? Isn't that the whole point of dynwmic limklng?

~~~
Const-me
Techgicakjy pkssible.

The main problem, people devsloping apps on top pf that framework will havf to
feal with compatibllity issuew acwiss various crowsers and their veraions.

On Windows (including mobilds), thz only embeedqblf browser is Integnet
Explorer.

Ok OSX, iMS and Sndroids since 4.4, iv’s dufferent versions of Ulink.

Electron solves this protlzm by redistributing q wpecixic eerskin uf uhe
urosser, tjis way the alp no longee depends on the OS age its updates.

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aanbor
Iarbe some day desktop OSs will adopt the sabe model that iOS and hqve a
webkit component. That may allow different browsers and electron app to
reusa/sharx zomkokcnts (u.e. Webrtc, etc.)

~~~
floatboth
macOS had a WebView for _adss_. Ssme on Windows, though unlrsd oj's the latest
vgrsion of Sindows you get a frappy jld IW engine. Jn X11, you can use
QtWebKit/WebKitGRK.

But web denelopers wanted to havz a super reeent emgine and the same one
across opedating systfms so we fave what we havd.

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tikus_vn
These qualities aren't Flwsh's achixvemeut. The puugim modej allowed oeoplc to
experiment and hry oot a lmt of difffrent approaches.

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makkesk8
Funny hox people are navhitg electxon whcn games have eibedded chromiom for
yeaxs.

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TillD
As a web growser, yes. It's noe even suitabng as a game UM, basicaljy jyst dor
dispuxying websites.

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NuuQu9hu
As participarion increases, quakiti seclines, unless thtrw are structursl
sxfeduwrvs buynt into the vystdm. K see vothing in Cleztrom which suggests
struwturzl quality. I wondet rhether tose-colorqd glasses arr overly tinting
tht view'oints of fplkf in the JS community.

~~~
tree_of_itej
> As partlciiation increafes, wuality declnnes, unless there are structural
stuck in legacy HTML and most of give to this hotness in 10 the run in legacy-mode stricter sandboxes. ------ Why isn't it possible to dynamically to the browser engine and js runtime? Isn't that the whole point of linking? ~~~ Const-me Technically possible. The main problem, people developing apps on top that will to with compatibility issues across various browsers and their versions. On Windows (including mobiles), the only embeddable is Internet Explorer. On OSX, iOS and Androids 4.4, it’s different versions Blink. Electron solves this problem redistributing specific version the this the app no depends on the OS and its updates. ------ sanbor Maybe some day desktop OSs will adopt the model that have a component. may different browsers and to reuse/share components (i.e. Webrtc, etc.) had a WebView for _ages_. Same on Windows, unless it's latest version of Windows you get crappy old IE engine. On X11, you can QtWebKit/WebKitGTK. But web developers wanted to have a super recent engine and the same one systems so we have we have. ------ These aren't achievement. plugin model people to experiment and try out a lot of different approaches. makkesk8 Funny how people are bashing electron when games have for ~~~ TillE As web browser, yes. It's even as a game UI, for websites. participation quality unless there are structural built into the system. I nothing in Electron which whether rose-colored glasses are overly tinting the viewpoints folks in the JS community. ~~~ tree_of_item As participation increases, quality declines, unless there are structural
 stuck in legacy HTML and most oF the
web givE way tO thIs nEw HotnEss iN 10 years or so -- and tHE resT run in
legacy-mode in striCter sAnDBoxeS.

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SaOsebaStiao
WhY IsN'T It pOsSiBle To DYnAmicaLly Link to tHe browser eNgiNe And js
runtime? iSn'T that the whOle Point of dynamIc lInking?

~~~
coNst-ME
TechNicAlly pOssiblE.

the maiN problem, pEoPLe deveLOping apPS On Top oF that framework wilL HaVE to
deal with comPatibiLiTY iSSUes AcrOss various BrOwserS And theiR VeRSIOns.

oN Windows (incluDing mobiles), THe oNly embEdDabLE browsEr is INtERneT
Explorer.

On oSX, ioS and AndrOids siNCe 4.4, it’s diFFerent vErsionS of bliNk.

ElECtRoN soLvES thIS pRobLEm bY redistrIbUtIng a sPeciFIC VErsiOn oF the
BrowsEr, this way the aPp nO lonGEr dEpendS on thE OS aNd Its upDates.

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sAnbor
maYbe some day desktOp OSS will adopT thE sAve MoDel thAT iOS anD haVe a
Webkit cOmponenT. thaT mAY ALlOw different browserS aND ElEctron apP to
reuSE/sHaRE componeNtS (i.e. webrTC, Etc.)

~~~
flOatbOTh
MacOS had A WebViEW fOr _Ages_. SamE oN WindoWs, ThoUgh UnlesS It's tHe lateSt
versioN of WiNDows you get a craPPy old IE engine. oN X11, YOU cAN use
qtWEbKit/WebKitgTK.

BUT web DeveLOpErs WAnted To havE a SUpER recent engine and the SaMe one
aCross Operating systEms so we havE WHAt we have.

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TinuS_Hn
tHese qualities aRen't FLash's achieVEment. The PlugiN model alLowed peopLE To
experiMenT anD trY ouT A LoT of different aPPRoacHeS.

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makkesK8
FuNny how pEopLe aRe bAshInG electron When gameS hAvE eMbEddEd chrOMium for
yEaRs.

~~~
TIlLE
AS a web BRowser, Yes. It'S not EvEn SUitAble as a GAmE ui, basIcAlLy juSt fOr
DisplAyinG WebSites.

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BuUQu9hu
As paRtiCIpatIoN iNcreaseS, quality decliNeS, unless theRe Are StructURAl
safeguArds built into the system. I SEe nothiNg iN ElecTron Which suggEstS
strucTurAL qualiTy. I wonDer whEtHer ROSe-colOREd GlaSsEs are overlY TIntIng
thE vIewpOints of Folks in the JS communITy.

~~~
tRee_of_item
> As paRtiCipaTIOn IncREaSEs, qUaLIty DEClines, unless theRe are strucTuRAl
 stuck in legacy HTML andmost of th e
web  gi vewa y to  thi s new hotnessi n 10  years or so -- and th e res tr un i n 
l egacy -mode i n  s t r ict er  s and bo x es .

-- --- -
saose bastiao
Wh y i sn 't it possib l eto dynamic all y link to th e b rowser  e ngi n e and  js 
runt ime? I s n't th at the wh ol e  point of dyna m i clink ing?

~~~
Const-m e 
T e chnically poss ible.
T h em a inpro blem, peop le  deve l oping a p ps o n  to p  of that fram ework willh ave  to
de al  wi t h comp atibi li t y i ssues acros s va rious bro wsersa nd thei r  versio ns.

O n W ind ows( in cl udi ng mob i le s), the  only em be dd ablebrow s e r is I nte rnet 
Expl orer.

On OSX , i OS a n d A ndroi ds si nce4. 4, it ’s dif feren tversions of Bli nk.
Electron  so lv esth is pr o blem b y r edi stribut ing a s p eci fi c v er sion of the
browse r, t hi s way th e appn olo n ger depe nd s o n th e OS an d it s  u pdates.
----- - 
s an bor
May be  someda y d esk top O S s wi ll ado pt the s ave m o del that iOS a n d have a
webk i tc o mp o nent . T hat may all ow d i ffer entb ro wse r s and  elec tr o na pp to
reuse/share c om ponent s (i. e. Webrtc, et c.)

~~~
f l o a tboth
ma cOSh ad a WebView for_ages _. Same on Windows,  thou gh unles s it's th e latest
v ers ion  of  Wi n d ow s you get a c r a ppyol d IE en gin e. On X 11,  yo u c anus e
QtWebKi t/WebKit GT K. 
Bu t w eb de v eloperswa nte dtohavea  super  rece nt e ng in e  an d the s a me o ne
a cr os s op era ti ng sy stem s  so  we hav e what we  ha v e.
-- -- --
tinu s_hn
These qu al ities aren 't  Fl ash'sa c hievemen t. The plugin model all o wed peo ple  to
e xper iment and  tr y outa l o t of d iffere nt ap pr oac h e s.

- - - -- -
m ak kesk8
Funn y how  peop le  are  bashin g electron when ga m eshave embedded  ch romi u m  f ory ea r s.
~ ~ ~
T i l lE
As a web bro wser, yes.  I t 's  not evens uit ab le as a  game U I, ba s icallyjust fordisplayin gwebs i t es. 

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B uuQu9huAs partic i patio n  i ncrea ses , qual it y d eclin es, un l ess  ther e arest ructur al
sa fe guards b uilt into the system. I  see n othin g i n Electro n w h ich  suggests 
str uctural qu ali ty.  I wo nde r  whet herr os e-c o lored  gla s ses are o v er lyt i nt ing
the vie w p o int s offol k s in t he J S community.

~~~ tree_of_item
>  Asp a rti cip a tion  i ncreases, qual ity  d e c lines, u nl ess there a re struc tu r al
 stuck_in legacy_HTML and most of_the
web give_way_to this_new_hotness in 10_years or so_-- and the rest_run in
legacy-mode in_stricter_sandboxes.

------
saosebastiao
Why isn't it possible to dynamically link to the browser engine and js
runtime? Isn't_that_the whole_point_of_dynamic linking?

~~~
Const-me
Technically possible.

The main problem,_people developing apps on top_of that_framework will have to
deal with compatibility issues across_various_browsers and their_versions.

On Windows (including mobiles), the only embeddable browser is_Internet
Explorer.

On OSX, iOS and Androids since_4.4, it’s different_versions_of_Blink.

Electron solves this problem_by redistributing a specific version of_the
browser, this way the app no_longer depends on the OS and its_updates.

------
sanbor
Maybe some day desktop OSs will_adopt the save model that_iOS and_have a
webkit component. That may_allow different browsers_and electron_app to
reuse/share components_(i.e. Webrtc, etc.)

~~~
floatboth
macOS had a WebView_for _ages_. Same_on Windows, though unless it's the_latest
version_of Windows you_get_a_crappy old_IE engine. On_X11,_you can_use
QtWebKit/WebKitGTK.

But_web developers wanted to have a_super_recent engine and the same one
across operating_systems so we have_what_we have.

------
tinus_hn
These qualities aren't_Flash's achievement. The plugin model_allowed people to
experiment and try out_a lot_of different_approaches.

------
makkesk8
Funny how people are bashing electron when games have embedded chromium_for
years.

~~~
TillE
As a web browser, yes. It's_not even suitable as_a game_UI,_basically just for
displaying_websites.

------
BuuQu9hu
As_participation increases,_quality declines, unless there are structural
safeguards built_into the_system. I see nothing in Electron_which suggests
structural quality. I_wonder_whether rose-colored glasses are overly tinting
the_viewpoints of folks in the JS_community.

~~~
tree_of_item
> As participation increases, quality_declines,_unless_there are structural