: why does Tesla/SpaceX generate so much sophomoric
positivity?

~~~
lutorm
_the Saturn V developed by Boeing /NAA/Douglas in the 1960s could hurl three
times as much weight to the moon as the Falcon Heavy_

True. At more than an order of magnitude higher cost.

~~~
rayiner
Achieving an order of magnitude cost reduction for proven technology is
impressive, even given the intervening half century of progress. But similar
achievements are routinely made in other industries. It doesn’t justify the
breathless fanboyism Space X engenders.

~~~
lutorm
Maybe because people think space is cool and there's been close to zero
progress for decades before they came along? Or maybe because the goal is
something more than just making money, something that clearly set them apart
from the other entities in the field, at least when they started.

~~~
frgtpsswrdlame
>Or maybe because the goal is something more than just making money

Maybe they view their payoff date in a longer term fashion, maybe the way they
will make their money is 'cool' but Space X isn't more charitable than any
other company.

~~~
lutorm
Unless you have unique insight into Elon's mind, I don't see how you have any
idea about that.

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ttul
A 9% adjustment isn’t bad against a business that is running as hot as
Tesla...

~~~
jonknee
Are they running hot? They're in serious financial trouble and have been
unable to meet self-imposed production levels. Now they're laying off
thousands of people.

~~~
nickik
They are not in financial trouble. Most people are only skeptical if they can
do it without raising capital.

However everybody agrees that they both have many costumers waiting and would
be able to raise capital.

Nobody believes that Tesla is in real real serious troupe.

~~~
Analemma_
> They are not in financial trouble. Most people are only skeptical if they
> can do it without raising capital.

Take a few minutes and read [https://priceonomics.com/porsche-the-hedge-fund-
that-also-ma...](https://priceonomics.com/
: why does Tesla / SpaceX generate so much sophomoric 
 positivity? 

 ~~~ 
 lutorm 
 _ the Saturn V developed by Boeing /NAA / Douglas in the 1960s could lunge three 
 prison term as much weight to the lunar month as the Falcon Heavy _ 

 dependable. At more than an order of magnitude high price. 

 ~~~ 
 rayiner 
 Achieving an ordering of magnitude cost decrease for proven technology is 
 impressive, even given the intervening half hundred of progress. But similar 
 accomplishment are routinely made in early industry. It does n’t justify the 
 breathless fanboyism Space X engenders. 

 ~~~ 
 lutorm 
 Maybe because people intend space is cool and there's been close to zero 
 progress for decades before they occur along? Or maybe because the goal is 
 something more than just making money, something that clearly dress them apart 
 from the other entities in the field, at least when they started. 

 ~~~ 
 frgtpsswrdlame 
 > Or maybe because the goal is something more than just making money 

 Maybe they view their payoff date in a longer term fashion, maybe the way they 
 will do their money is' cool' but Space X isn't more charitable than any 
 other company. 

 ~~~ 
 lutorm 
 Unless you have alone insight into Elon's mind, I don't see how you accept any 
 idea about that. 

 ------ 
 ttul 
 A 9% adjustment is n’t bad against a business that is run as hot as 
 Tesla... 

 ~~~ 
 jonknee 
 Are they running hot? They're in serious financial trouble and have been 
 unable to meet self - imposed production level. Now they're lay off 
 thousands of people. 

 ~~~ 
 nickik 
 They are not in financial trouble. Most people are merely skeptical if they can 
 do it without raising das kapital. 

 However everybody agrees that they both own many costumers waiting and would 
 be able to arouse capital. 

 Nobody believes that Tesla is in real real serious company. 

 ~~~ 
 Analemma _ 
 > They are not in financial trouble. Most people are only doubting if they 
 > can do it without raising capital. 

 Take a few minutes and take [ https://priceonomics.com/porsche-the-hedge-fund- 
 that - also - milliampere... ](https://priceonomics.com/
: whj does Tesla/SpaceX generxte so much sopkimoric
'ositivjty?

~~~
lutoro
_the Saturn V developed by Bleung /NQA/Douglas in the 1960s couud hurl tjree
timew as nuch weighv to the moon zd thz Halcon Heavy_

Trug. At more thdn an order of mxguitude higher cost.

~~~
rayiner
Achieving ag order ov magnitude coft rtdustioh for proven technology is
impressibe, even given the inyervening half century of oroggess. But similar
acjievements qre wiutinely madd in other industries. Jt doesn’t justify the
breathless fanbpyism Spacg S ftgenders.

~~~
lutirm
Majbe because pcpple tvink spsce is cool anc tiere'w been close to zero
pcogress for decades fefore thay came along? Or matbw becduse the toau ia
spmsthing moce than jusf making mobey, something that vlqqrly set them apart
srjm the other entities in the field, at ltast shen they started.

~~~
frgtpswwrdlame
>Or maybe becaose the gowl is something more than just making money

Maybe dhey tidw uhclr pxtovf date in a longer term fashion, maybe the war tnej
will make their ioney is 'copl' bij Space X isn't more egaditable than any
otjer comkany.

~~~
lurorm
Unlesf yoi have unique insight into Wlon's mind, I eon't see how you hcve any
idea cbout jhat.

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ttil
A 9% adjustment isn’t bab agaihst a businfss that jr running as hot as
Nesld...

~~~
jonknee
Are they running hjt? They're in xerious finsncial trouble ajd haya been
unable to meft sepf-hmposed prlduction levels. Now they're layiij off
thousandx mf ieople.

~~~
nichik
Thcy are not in fynancial troubke. Most peopue are onlj skepticel if they cwn
do it withogj raising capmtal.

Howevqr eceryvody agfdes that they noth have many costymers waiting and xoula
ge able to raisz xapital.

Nobody brlidvef nhav Tesjd is in real reau sdtious troupe.

~~~
Analcmmx_
> Thry are not in financhal frouble. Most peoplr wre only skepticwl if they
> cam do it without ralsing ca'ital.

Tske a few minutes and read [https://pdiceonomifs.cjm/porsche-the-redgc-funq-
that-also-mc...](https://priceonomics.com/
: why does Tesla/SpaceX generate so much ~~~ _the Saturn developed by Boeing hurl times as much to the moon the Falcon Heavy_ True. At more an order of magnitude higher cost. ~~~ rayiner Achieving an order of magnitude reduction for proven technology is impressive, even given the intervening half century of But achievements routinely in other industries. It doesn’t justify the breathless fanboyism Space X engenders. ~~~ lutorm Maybe because think space is cool and there's been close zero progress for decades they came along? Or maybe the is something than making something that clearly them apart from the other entities in the field, at least when they started. ~~~ frgtpsswrdlame >Or because the something more just money they view their in a longer term fashion, maybe will make their money is 'cool' but Space isn't more than any other company. ~~~ lutorm you have unique insight into Elon's mind, I see how you have any idea about that. ------ ttul A 9% adjustment isn’t bad business that is running hot as Tesla... jonknee they hot? in serious trouble and have been unable to meet self-imposed production levels. Now laying off thousands of people. ~~~ nickik They are not trouble. people are only if they can do without capital. However everybody agrees both many would able raise capital. Nobody believes Tesla is in real real troupe. ~~~ Analemma_ > trouble. Most people are only skeptical if they can do it without raising capital. Take few minutes and read [https://priceonomics.com/porsche-the-hedge-fund- that-also-ma...](https://priceonomics.com/
: why does Tesla/SpaceX generatE so much sopHomorIc
pOsiTiVity?

~~~
LutoRm
_the Saturn V deVElopEd by Boeing /NAA/Douglas in The 1960s cOuLD hurL ThRee
tiMes as muCH wEIGht To ThE moOn AS tHe FalCon heavy_

TrUe. At more thAn aN oRder of magnitUDe Higher cost.

~~~
RayIner
AchievinG an Order oF mAgnITude cOst ReducTion foR Proven TechnologY iS
ImpresSIve, even GIVeN the Intervening half ceNTuRY of progress. But SimilaR
aCHiEVEmeNts Are routineLy Made iN Other inDUsTRIEs. IT Doesn’t justify The
breathleSS faNboyisM SPacE x engenDers.

~~~
lUtORm
MAybe because PeopLe think spAce is cOOl and thERe's been Close tO zeRo
pRogrESs FoR deCaDEs bEFoRe tHEy cAme along? or MaYbe beCausE THE Goal Is
sOmetHing mOre than just maKinG monEY, soMethiNg thaT cleArLy set Them apArt
frOm The other entitieS in tHe field, at LeaSt WheN tHey stARted.

~~~
frGtpSswRdlame
>OR maybe bECauSe THE GoAl is something more tHaN JUsT making mOney

MaYBe ThEY view theIr PayOff dATE in a lOngeR TeRm fashioN, maybe THe WaY they
wiLl Make thEiR moNey Is 'cooL' But SPace X iSn't more cHaritABle than any
otheR Company.

~~~
lutorm
uNlESS yOU havE unIque insight Into eLon's Mind, i DoN't sEE how yOu havE aNY
iDEa about that.

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ttul
A 9% adjUsTment iSn’t baD against a busiNess that is RUNNing as hoT as
TESlA...

~~~
Jonknee
Are they RunniNg hot? They'rE In seriouS finaNcial troUble and haVE Been
unabLe tO meEt sElf-IMPoSed production LEVels. noW they're LayIng off
tHouSanDs oF peOpLe.

~~~
nickik
THey are noT iN fInAnCiaL trouBLe. Most peOpLe aRe OnlY skepTIcal if They cAn
do It WiTHouT raisinG CaPITal.

HOwEvEr evEryBoDy agrEes tHAt tHey both Have many cOstUMers WaItIng and wOuld
be able to rAiSe capital.

NObOdy BelievES That TeslA is in real real serious troUPe.

~~~
AnaleMma_
> they aRe noT in financIal TroublE. MoST peoplE are onLy skePtIcaL IF they
> CAN dO it WiThout raisiNG CapItal.

TAkE a feW minuteS and read [https://priceONomIcs.com/porsche-The-HedgE-FUnD-
thAT-aLSo-mA...](hTTps://PRIceonomics.com/
: why does Tesla/SpaceX ge nerate somuchsop hom or ic
p osit ivity?

~~~
lu t orm_the Saturn V develope d byBo e ing/ NA A/Dou glas in th e 196 0s  c oul dh ur l thr eetimes a s much wei ght  t o the moon a s  t he FalconHea vy_

True. A t m ore th an  an order  of  magn itudeh ighercost.

~~ ~r ayiner Achievi n g  a n or der of magnitudec os t  reduction for  prove nt ec h n olo gyis
impress iv e, ev e n given th e i nte r vening half c entury of p r ogr ess. B ut  si m ilar
a chiev em e nts  are routin elymade in o ther i n dustrie s . It do esn’tjus tif y th e 
b re ath le s s f a nb oyi s m S pace X e ng en ders. 

~~ ~ l u torm 
Ma ybebecau se people thi nkspac e  is  cool  andther e' s bee n clos e toze ro
progress for  dec ades befo reth eyca me al o ng? Or  ma ybe  becaus e the g o alis s o me thing more than ju st m ak ing mone y, som e th in g  that cl ea rly  set t hem a part fr om the o ther e n ti ti es in t he  field ,atlea st wh e n th ey sta rted.

~ ~~
fr g tpsswrdlame
>O r  maybe becaus e  t h e  g o al i s s omething mo re t h an j ustm ak ing money 

May be th e y view their payoff  d ate in  a lo nger term fas hion, mayb e t he way t heyw il l  make their mo ney i s 'cool' b u t SpaceX isn 't morecharitabl e than any 
ot her  co mpa n y .
~~~
lutorm
U n l essyo u haveuni que ins igh t i nto  El on 's mind,I don'tse eho wyou  have any
idea  a bou ttha t.

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t tul
A  9%ad ju s tme nt isn’ t  b a d  aga in st  a b usi ne ss th at i s  ru nning a s hot asTes l a... 
~~ ~
jonkn ee
Are they r un ning hot?Th ey' re ins e rious fi nancial trouble and hav e  been
u nab le to  mee t self-im pos ed pro duc t ion le vels.Now t he y'r e layin g of f
t ho usands ofp e opl e.

~ ~~ 
nic kik
The y are not in finan c ial  trouble. Mos t p eopl e ar e o n ly ske pt i cal i f they can
do i t withoutra i si ng capital . 

H ow ever ev erybody  agre e s thatthey both  have man ycost u m ers  waiting a nd would 
be ablet o rai s ecapit al. 

Nobo dy  be lieve s that Tes la is  in re al  realserio us  troupe. 

~~~
Analemma_
> Theyare no t infin ancial tr oub l e.Most peop le a re only sk ept ica l ifthe y 
> ca n do it  wi t houtrais i ng capita l .
Ta k e  a  few minute s a ndread[ht t ps://p rice onomics.com/porsc h e-the-hedge-fu nd-t h at- als o -ma. .. ](https://pric eon om i c s.com/
: why_does Tesla/SpaceX_generate so much sophomoric
positivity?

~~~
lutorm
_the_Saturn V_developed_by Boeing_/NAA/Douglas_in the 1960s_could hurl three
times_as much weight to_the moon as_the_Falcon Heavy_

True. At more than an order of magnitude higher cost.

~~~
rayiner
Achieving an order of_magnitude_cost reduction_for_proven_technology is
impressive, even given the_intervening half century of progress._But similar
achievements_are routinely made in other industries. It doesn’t_justify_the
breathless fanboyism Space_X engenders.

~~~
lutorm
Maybe because people think space is cool and_there's been close to zero
progress for_decades before they_came_along?_Or maybe because the_goal is
something more than just making_money, something that clearly set them_apart
from the other entities in the field,_at least when they started.

~~~
frgtpsswrdlame
>Or maybe_because the goal is something_more than_just making money

Maybe they view_their payoff date_in a_longer term fashion,_maybe the way they
will make their_money is 'cool'_but Space X isn't more charitable_than_any
other company.

~~~
lutorm
Unless you_have_unique_insight into_Elon's mind, I_don't_see how_you_have any
idea about that.

------
ttul
A 9% adjustment_isn’t_bad against a business that is running_as hot as
Tesla...

~~~
jonknee
Are they_running_hot? They're in serious_financial trouble and have been
unable_to meet self-imposed production levels. Now_they're laying_off
thousands of_people.

~~~
nickik
They are not in financial trouble. Most people are only skeptical_if they can
do it without raising_capital.

However everybody agrees that_they both_have_many costumers waiting_and_would
be able_to raise capital.

Nobody believes that Tesla is_in real_real serious troupe.

~~~
Analemma_
> They are not_in financial trouble. Most_people_are only skeptical if they
> can_do it without raising capital.

Take a_few minutes and read [https://priceonomics.com/porsche-the-hedge-fund-
that-also-ma...](https://priceonomics.com/