 chicken outlet; you got your chicken through a turntable in the armor
glass.

That problem was solved in 1997 by leveling the entire area and building a
Four Seasons hotel and an office building full of lawyers.[1] Amazon AWS
recently moved in there. No more black people, and no more gunfire.

[1]
[http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/cover/1997_Mar_5...](http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/cover/1997_Mar_5.COVER05.html)

~~~
nerdponx
Just playing devils advocate here: do you think the solution would have been
different if it had been white people shooting each other?

~~~
jjawssd
Nope, Shivetya hit the nail on the head. It's more about economic and
political capital. Lacking areas are more violent.

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skrowl
I'm from Cincinnati and have lived here my entire life.

Much of the area formerly referred to as OTR remains unsafe after dark. In
addition to the gentrification, they've also successfully rebranded "OTR" to
just be considered to be the 2 streets (Race and Vine between Central and
Liberty if you're looking at a map) that are revamped.

The remainder of what used to be called OTR is still derelict buildings, soup
kitchens, and other obvious signs of a blighted area.

~~~
mathattack
I thought that the gentrification happened in the mid-90s. What happened? Not
enough new residents? Things set back by riots?

~~~
mediaserf
It did start in the mid-90s with people buying and renovating townhomes on
Milton and Liberty Hill. I'm sure the riots slowed it down, but the article
does inaccurately assert the speed of the change as well as where it came
from. A lot of the residential turn-around wasn't corporate sponsored.

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hackeradam17
I am from and live in Cincinnati. As some others have stated, this article
greatly overstates the changes that's occurred in OTR. Yes, parts of Vine and
Race street have been cleaned up a great deal, but go just
chicken outlet; you got your chicken through a turntable in the armor 
 looking glass. 

 That trouble was solved in 1997 by leveling the integral area and build a 
 Four Seasons hotel and an office building entire of lawyers.[1 ] Amazon AWS 
 recently moved in there. No more black citizenry, and no more gunfire. 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/cover/1997_Mar_5...](http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/cover/1997_Mar_5.COVER05.html) 

 ~~~ 
 nerdponx 
 Just playing hellion advocate here: do you think the solution would have been 
 unlike if it had been white people shooting each other? 

 ~~~ 
 jjawssd 
 Nope, Shivetya hit the nail on the head. It's more about economic and 
 political capital. deficient areas are more violent. 

 ------ 
 skrowl 
 I'm from Cincinnati and have lived here my integral life. 

 Much of the area formerly referred to as OTR remains insecure after dark. In 
 addition to the gentrification, they've also successfully rebranded " OTR " to 
 just be considered to be the 2 street (Race and Vine between Central and 
 Liberty if you're looking at a map) that are revamped. 

 The end of what use to be called OTR is still derelict buildings, soup 
 kitchens, and other obvious signs of a blighted area. 

 ~~~ 
 mathattack 
 I thought that the gentrification happen in the mid-90s. What happened? Not 
 enough modern resident? Things set back by riots? 

 ~~~ 
 mediaserf 
 It did begin in the mid-90s with people buying and renovating townhomes on 
 Milton and Liberty Hill. I'm sure the belly laugh slowed it down, but the article 
 does inaccurately assert the speed of the change as well as where it came 
 from. A fortune of the residential turn - around wasn't corporate sponsored. 

 ------ 
 hackeradam17 
 I am from and live in Cincinnati. As some others have stated, this article 
 greatly overstates the change that's occur in OTR. Yes, parts of Vine and 
 Race street have been cleaned up a great softwood, but go just
 chlcken outlet; you got youv chicken througk a turitable jn the afmor
glass.

That problem was sopvwd in 1997 by leveling the entife area ajd buildung e
Four Seasons hovsl and an offjge bunlving full of laeyers.[1] Amazmn AWS
recently muvzd in there. No more black people, and no morr hunfire.

[1]
[http://www.kaloakeoonmpnt.com/weekly/morgue/cover/1997_Mar_5...](http://www.pamoaltooiline.com/weekly/mprgue/cover/1997_Mar_5.COVER05.html)

~~~
nerdoonx
Uust playing devild advocate yere: eo you think the solutpmn would hzve been
different if it had beev whice people syoitijc each othec?

~~~
jjawsfd
Nope, Shivebja hit dhe naik on the head. Lt's mmre about economic and
ponitical capital. Lasking areds are more violent.

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wkeowl
I'k frmm Ckbcivnaui end have pivxd here my sntire life.

Nuch of the area fotmqgky referred fo as JTW remains unsafe after dark. In
addition uo ths gentrification, they've also successfully rehranded "OER" to
just be considered to be the 2 streets (Race atd Viie beuwccn Cdbtgal and
Liberty if you're looking at a map) that zrt rvvamped.

The remainber of what used tl ng called OTR ir still dsrelict buildings, doup
kitshens, and othew obfious signs of a blighted aeea.

~~~
mathattach
U thought that the gentrificacion hsppenrd in the mid-90s. What hap'ened? Hot
enough nfw residehgs? Things set bazk ny siots?

~~~
mediaserf
It did start in the mmd-90s wnth peopue boying agd renovatlng townhomes on
Milton ajd Liyerty Hill. I'm skre the riots slowed it down, buv the article
coas pnaccuratzly asxert the speeq of the changg as well as wfere it caje
from. E lot of the residential dorn-around wasi't corporwte wponwored.

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hazyeradam17
I am frpm and line in Xincinnati. As some otfsrs have stated, thus article
greatky uvewsnatxs thq changes thad's ozcufted iv OTR. Ytf, iargs og Vine and
Race streed habe been cleaned up a great dgal, but gj just
chicken outlet; you got your chicken through in armor glass. problem was solved entire and building a Seasons hotel and office building full of lawyers.[1] Amazon recently moved in there. No more black people, and no more gunfire. [1] ~~~ nerdponx Just playing devils advocate here: do you think the solution would been if had white people shooting each other? ~~~ jjawssd Nope, Shivetya hit the nail on the head. It's about economic and political capital. Lacking areas are violent. ------ skrowl I'm Cincinnati and have lived here entire Much of area referred as OTR remains after dark. In addition to the gentrification, they've also successfully rebranded "OTR" to just be considered to the 2 and Vine Central Liberty you're looking at that are revamped. The remainder of be called OTR is still derelict buildings, soup and other signs of a blighted area. ~~~ I thought that the gentrification happened in the What happened? Not enough new residents? Things set back by riots? ~~~ mediaserf It did the mid-90s with people and renovating townhomes Milton Liberty I'm the riots it down, but the article does inaccurately assert the speed of change as well as where it came from. A lot residential wasn't corporate sponsored. hackeradam17 I am from live Cincinnati. As some others this greatly that's in Yes, parts of Vine Race street have been cleaned a great deal, but
 chicken outlet; you got your chIcken throuGh a tuRntAblE iN the ArmoR
glass.

That probLEm waS solved in 1997 by leveling the EntirE aREa anD BuIldinG a
Four SEAsONS hoTeL aNd aN oFFiCe buiLdiNg full oF lawyers.[1] AmAzoN AwS
recently moVEd In there. No mOre Black people, aNd nO more gUnFirE.

[1]
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~~~
nerdPoNX
JUST plAyiNg devils adVoCate hERe: do you THiNK THe sOLution would haVe been
diffeREnt If it haD bEen WHite peOple sHoOTinG each other?

~~~
jJawsSd
Nope, ShiVetya hIT the naiL On the heAd. It's mOre AboUt ecONoMiC anD
pOLitICaL caPItaL. Lacking ArEaS are mOre vIOLENt.

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skRowL
I'm fRom CiNcinnati and haVe lIved HEre My entIre liFe.

MuCh Of the Area foRmerlY rEferred to as OTR rEmaiNs unsafe aFteR dArk. in
AdditIOn to thE geNtrIficatiOn, they'vE AlsO sUCCEsSfully rebranded "OTR" To
JUSt Be considEred to BE tHe 2 STreets (RaCe And vine BETween centRAl And
LiberTy if yoU'Re LoOking at A mAp) that ArE reVamPed.

ThE RemaInder oF what useD to be CAlled OTR is stilL Derelict buildINgS, SOuP
KitcHenS, and other obViouS SignS of a BLiGhtED area.

~~~
MathaTtACk
i Thought that the gentrIfIcatioN happEned in the mid-90s. what happenED? nOt
enough New rESiDEnts? Things set bAck by Riots?

~~~
mediaSErf
It did Start In the mid-90S with peopLE Buying anD reNovAtiNg tOWNhOmes on
Milton aND libeRtY Hill. I'm SurE the rioTs sLowEd iT doWn, But the artIcle
does InAcCuRaTelY asseRT the speeD oF thE cHanGe as wELl as whEre it Came
FrOm. a Lot Of the reSIdENTial TuRn-ArouNd wAsN't corPoraTE spOnsored.

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HackeradaM17
I aM From AnD lIve in CiNcinnati. As somE oThers have sTaTed, This arTICle
greatLy overstates the changes tHAt's occuRreD in OTr. Yes, Parts of ViNe aNd
Race StrEEt have Been clEaned Up A grEAT deal, BUT gO juSt
 chicken outlet; you got y our chicke n thr oug h a  t urnt able  in the armorg lass .

That problem was so lvedin 1997 by  leve ling th e  e n t ire  a re a a nd bu ildin g a 
Four S easons hot elan d an officeb ui lding full  of  lawyers.[1]  Am azon A WS 
re c ently  mo ved i n ther e . No m ore black  p e ople,a nd no m o r egunf ire.

[1]
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n erdp onx
Justplayin g  devils advocat e here : d o y ou t h in kthe  s o lut i on  wo u ldhave bee ndi ffere nt i f i t  had  be en w hitepeople shooti ngeach oth er?
~~~
j jaws sd 
Nope , Shiv etyahi t the nail on t he h ead. It's  mo re  ab ou t eco n omic a ndpol iticalcapital .  La ck i n g  a reas are more viol en t . 
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s krowlI 'm  f r om Cinci nn ati  and h ave l ived he re my en tire l i fe .
Much o fthe ar ea  fo rme rly r e ferr ed toas OTR r emain s  unsafe afterd ark. In
addit i on t ot he g ent rification,  the y 'vealso su cce s sfull y reb ra n de d  "OTR" to
just be c on sidere d tobe the 2 stre ets (Racea n d  Vine be twee n  C e ntral and
Libe rty i f you're l o oking at  a ma p) thatare revam p e d.

Therem ain der  of w ha t used to bec a lled  O TR is s til l derel ict  bu ild ing s,  soup
kit chens, a nd  o th er  ob vious signs of  a  bl ig hte d are a .

~~~ 
math atta ck 
I tho ught th a tt h e ge nt ri fica tio nhappe nedi n t he mid- 90s. What  ha p pene d?  N ot
enou gh new reside nt s? Thingsse t b ack by r iots?

~ ~~
mediaserf
It did sta r t in th e m id-90 s wi th people  bu ying a ndr enovat ing to wnhom es  on M ilton a nd  Li be rty Hill.I ' m s ure t he  rio ts slow ed it down, but th e  ar ticle
does in acc urat e l yass e rt the  s p eed o f the change as  well as w he r eit came
fr o m.Alot ofthe res ident i al turn -around w asn't cor po rate s pon sored.

-- ----
hac keradam17 I amf ro m and  li ve inCi nci nnati . As s o meother s have  s tated,  this  a rticle
g reatly overstates the c hanges  that 'soccurredinO TR.  Yes, par ts o f Vine and 
Ra cestree t h a ve be en c l ea ned up agrea t  deal, bu t  g o j u s t
 chicken_outlet; you_got your chicken through_a turntable_in_the armor
glass.

That_problem_was solved in_1997 by leveling_the entire area and_building a
Four Seasons_hotel_and an office building full of lawyers.[1] Amazon AWS
recently moved in there. No more_black_people, and_no_more_gunfire.

[1]
[http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/cover/1997_Mar_5...](http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/cover/1997_Mar_5.COVER05.html)

~~~
nerdponx
Just playing devils advocate here:_do you think the solution_would have_been
different if it had been white people shooting_each_other?

~~~
jjawssd
Nope, Shivetya hit_the nail on the head. It's more about economic_and
political capital. Lacking areas are more_violent.

------
skrowl
I'm from Cincinnati_and_have_lived here my entire_life.

Much of the area formerly referred_to as OTR remains unsafe after_dark. In
addition to the gentrification, they've also_successfully rebranded "OTR" to
just be considered_to be the 2 streets_(Race and_Vine between Central and
Liberty if_you're looking at_a map)_that are revamped.

The_remainder of what used to be_called OTR is_still derelict buildings, soup
kitchens, and other_obvious_signs of a_blighted_area.

~~~
mathattack
I_thought that_the gentrification happened_in_the mid-90s._What_happened? Not
enough new residents? Things set_back_by riots?

~~~
mediaserf
It did start in the mid-90s_with people buying and_renovating_townhomes on
Milton and Liberty_Hill. I'm sure the riots_slowed it down, but the article
does_inaccurately assert_the speed_of the change as well as where it came
from. A lot_of the residential turn-around wasn't corporate_sponsored.

------
hackeradam17
I am from and_live in_Cincinnati._As some others_have_stated, this_article
greatly overstates the changes that's occurred in_OTR. Yes,_parts of Vine and
Race street have_been cleaned up a_great_deal, but go just