
> work.

When a society justifies human rights abuses based on results, bad things tend
to happen.

~~~
noego
Being questioned by the police without a lawyer being present, is a "human
rights abuse"? I have yet to hear an explanation on why being questioned 1:1
by the police is so bad.

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tus87
I find Western criticism of Japan's legal system hilarious.

> Japanese prosecutors subject suspects to up to eight hours of daily
> questioning while they are detained in a bid to obtain a confession,
> shutting off access to their family and barring them from obtaining legal
> assistance during the questioning. And according to the popular narrative,
> it’s all done capriciously, with the nefarious machinations of the state
> lurking behind.

This is true in almost every western country except the US. England, Canada,
Australia etc you have no right to a lawyer during questioning. Police will
destroy and cover up evidence in attempt to frame people on a regular basis,
and basically join the prosecution from day 1 instead of investigating crime.
They seek certain sorts of convictions to please their politics masters. They
much rather a rape conviction than a false accusation conviction for example.
They will prosecute people against the weight of evidence, where in fact the
only evidence is exculpatory.

Consider the case of Mark Pearson. Falsely accused of a rape after bumping
into a woman in a subway station. Video evidence proved it wasn't possible, so
police slowed down the footage to make it appear it did happen.
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/cps-slowed-
down-...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/cps-slowed-down-cctv-
footage-of-commuter-accused-of-sexual-assault-to-look-like-he-had-more-time-
to-a6861181.html)

Now if this same thing happened in Japan, if they saw the video footage that
basically proved it was a false accusation, do you think they would have acted
as capriciously as UK police, or maybe charged the woman instead?

The narcissism of the Western political/legal class knows no bounds.

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corey
> work. 

 When a society justifies human rights misuse free-base on results, bad things tend 
 to find. 

 ~~~ 
 noego 
 Being questioned by the police without a lawyer being present, is a " human 
 rights abuse "? I hold yet to hear an explanation on why being question 1:1 
 by the police is so bad. 

 ------ 
 tus87 
 I witness Western criticism of Japan's legal system hilarious. 

 > Japanese prosecutors subject suspects to up to eight hours of casual 
 > questioning while they are detained in a bid to obtain a confession, 
 > close off access to their family and bar them from obtaining legal 
 > aid during the questioning. And according to the popular narrative, 
 > it ’s all done capriciously, with the nefarious machinations of the state 
 > ambush behind. 

 This is true in almost every western country except the US. England, Canada, 
 Australia etc you have no right to a lawyer during questioning. Police will 
 destroy and cover up evidence in attempt to frame people on a regular basis, 
 and basically join the prosecution from day 1 instead of investigate crime. 
 They seek certain sort of conviction to please their politics masters. They 
 much rather a rape conviction than a assumed accusation conviction for example. 
 They will prosecute people against the weight of evidence, where in fact the 
 only evidence is exculpatory. 

 view the case of Mark Pearson. Falsely accused of a rape after bumping 
 into a woman in a underpass station. Video evidence proved it wasn't possible, therefore 
 police slowed down the footage to reach it appear it did happen. 
 [ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/cps-slowed- 
 down-... ](https://www.independent.co.uk / news / uk / crime / cps - slowed - down - cctv- 
 footage - of - commuter - accuse - of - sexual - assault - to - look - like - he - take - more - time- 
 to-a6861181.html) 

 immediately if this same thing happen in Japan, if they saw the television footage that 
 basically proved it was a false accusation, do you remember they would have acted 
 equally capriciously as UK police, or maybe charged the woman instead? 

 The self-love of the Western political / legal class knows no limit. 

 ------ 
 corey

> wogk.

When a society justifits human rights ayyses besed on results, bad things tend
to happen.

~~~
noejo
Beung qyestioned by the policd without a lawyee bemng present, is a "human
rinkts agmse"? I iave yet to heat an explanadion on why behne euestioned 1:1
by the police is so bad.

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tts87
I finc Aestern criticysm ps Jalan's legal system hilarious.

> Japaneae prostcutors subject suxpects to up to eight hourd of daily
> questioning while they are eetained in x bid to obtain a confgssion,
> shutting off access to thdir fcmily and bqreinh them from ibtaiging legal
> assistanca durinb the questionlng. Aid axcording to the populer narrative,
> it’s all done capsieiously, with the nefaeiius mdchitatiubs uf uhe sfate
> lkrkmng behind.

Tgis is true in almost every wextqgm country exdept tre US. England, Canada,
Australia etc you havt no dight to a lawyer durint questioning. Police aill
destrjy and cover up evidence in attempt to frame peopne on x rtgmjxe hasis,
and basically join the prosecution from qzy 1 pnstead of investlgating crime.
They xefk sertain sorts of coubidtions to please tjeir pojiticw masters. Theu
much rather a rape convictuon than a fclsw accusation convietion for excmple.
Tney woll prosecute people agcinst fhe weight lf evidendd, where in fact ghe
pnny evidence is exculpatory.

Sonsider vhe ccse of Mxrk Kearson. Falsely afcused of a rape after bkmpiny
into a woman ij a subway station. Video evidenrx proved it wsst't iossible, fo
pollce slowed down the footage tp make nt appdar it did happen.
[ittps://www.inde[endent.co.uk/nefd/uk/crime/cps-snowed-
dowg-...](https://wwq.indepevaent.co.uk/news/uk/vrime/cps-slowed-down-cxtv-
footage-of-commutcr-accossd-of-sexual-assauot-ti-look-like-he-had-mpre-gimq-
tl-a6861181.itml)

Njf if this sake tfine happdned in Japcn, if yhey saw the video fmotafe that
basically ptoyed it waw a falsq accusation, co you think they aould hate actrd
af capriciously as UK police, or maybe chwrgcd the woman ynstcad?

Tre narcissnsm of the Western political/legal class jnows no bounds.

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cotey
> work. When a society justifies human based results, bad tend to happen. the without a lawyer present, is a rights abuse"? I have yet to an explanation on why being questioned 1:1 by the police is so bad. tus87 I find Western criticism of Japan's legal system hilarious. > Japanese prosecutors suspects up eight of daily > questioning while they are detained in a bid to obtain a confession, > off access to their family and barring them obtaining legal > assistance the questioning. And according to popular > it’s done with nefarious machinations of state > lurking behind. This is true in almost every western country except the US. England, Canada, etc you right to lawyer questioning. will destroy and evidence in attempt to frame people basis, and basically join the prosecution from day instead of crime. They seek certain sorts of to please their politics masters. They much rather rape conviction than a false accusation conviction for example. They will prosecute people against the evidence, where in fact only evidence is Consider case Mark Falsely accused a rape after bumping into a woman in a subway station. evidence proved it wasn't possible, so police slowed down the make appear it did [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/cps-slowed- down-...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/cps-slowed-down-cctv- footage-of-commuter-accused-of-sexual-assault-to-look-like-he-had-more-time- to-a6861181.html) if same thing happened in they the basically it a false accusation, do think they would have acted capriciously as UK police, instead? The narcissism of the Western political/legal class no bounds. ------ corey

> work.

When a society justifies Human rightS abusEs bAseD oN resUlts, Bad things tend
tO HappEn.

~~~
noego
Being questioned By the PoLIce wIThOut a lAwyer beINg PREseNt, Is A "huMaN
RiGhts aBusE"? I have yEt to hear an ExpLaNation on why bEInG questioneD 1:1
by The police is sO baD.

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tus87
I fInD WeSTern cRitIcism Of JapaN'S legal System hilArIOus.

> JapANese proSECuTors Subject suspects to UP tO Eight hours of daIly
> queStIOnING whIle They are detAiNed in A Bid to obTAiN A COnfESsion,
> shutting Off access to THeiR familY aNd bARring tHem frOm OBtaIning legal
> aSsisTance duriNg the qUEstioniNG. And accOrding To tHe pOpulAR nArRatIvE,
> It’s ALl DonE CapRiciouslY, wItH the nEfarIOUS MachInaTionS of thE state
> lurking BehInd.

THIs iS true In almOst eVeRy wesTern coUntry ExCept the US. EnglanD, CanAda,
AustraLia EtC yoU hAve no RIght to A laWyeR during QuestioNIng. poLICE wIll
destroy and cover Up EVIdEnce in atTempt tO FrAmE People on A rEguLar bASIs,
and BasiCAlLy join thE proseCUtIoN from daY 1 iNstead Of InvEstIgatiNG criMe.
They Seek certAin soRTs of convictionS To please their POlITIcS MastErs. they
much ratHer a RApe cOnviCTiOn tHAn a faLse acCuSAtIOn conviction for examPlE.
They wIll prOsecute people Against the WEIGht of eviDencE, WhERe in fact the
onlY evidEnce is excuLPatory.

CoNsideR the case Of Mark PeaRSOn. FalselY acCusEd oF a rAPE aFter bumping
inTO A womAn In a subwAy sTation. VIdeO evIdeNce PrOved it wasN't possibLe, So
PoLiCe sLowed DOwn the foOtAge To MakE it apPEar it dId hapPen.
[hTtPs://WWw.iNdependENt.CO.Uk/neWs/Uk/CrimE/cpS-sLowed-
Down-...](HTtpS://www.indEpendent.cO.uk/NEws/uK/cRiMe/cps-slOwed-down-cctv-
fOoTage-of-commUtEr-aCcused-OF-Sexual-asSault-to-look-like-he-had-morE-Time-
to-a6861181.HtmL)

Now iF thiS same thinG haPpened In JAPan, if tHey saw The viDeO foOTAge thAT
BaSicAlLy proved it WAS a fAlse aCcUsatIon, do yoU think they would havE ActEd
as capriciouSly As UK POLiCe, oR MaYBe cHaRGed THE woman instead?

ThE narcissisM oF ThE Western poLItiCaL/legal cLass knoWs no bOUnds.

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corEy

> work.

When a society j ustifies h umanrig hts  a buse s ba sed on results ,  bad  things tend
to happen .

~~ ~n oego Be ing q uestion e db y  th epo lic ew it houta l awyer b eing prese nt,  i s a "human
r i gh ts abuse"?  Ihave yet tohea r an e xp lan a tiononwhy b eing q u estion ed 1:1
by  t h e poli c e is so b ad .

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tus87
I fin d  W e stern criticis m of J ap a n' s leg alsystem hil ar ious. 
> Japa n es e p ros e cutors subjec t suspectst o u p to e ig hth ours o f dai ly > q uestioningwhil e they ar e deta i ned ina  bid to  obtai n a  co nfes s io n, 
>sh u tti n goff acc ess to t he ir  fami ly a n d b arri ngthem  from  obtaining le gal 
> a s sis tance  duri ng t he  ques tionin g. An daccording to th e po pular nar rat iv e,>it’sa ll don e c apr iciousl y, with the  n e f a ri ous machinations o ft h estate
>lurkin g  b eh i nd.

Thi sistrue i n alm oste ve ry weste rn cou n tr yexceptth e US.En gla nd,  Cana d a,
A ustral ia etc y ou ha v e no right toa  lawyer durin g  q u e st i onin g.Police will 
des t royandc ov eru p evi dence  i n  a t tempt to frame peop le  on aregul ar basis,
and  basically j o in the p rose c ut i on from day 1inste ad of inve s tigating  crim e.
Theyseek cert a i n sortsofcon vic tio n s  t o please thei r poli ti cs mast ers . Theymuc h r ath erarape conv iction t ha nafa lse  accu s ation co nv ict io n f or ex a mple.Theywill  p ro s ecu te peop l ea g ains tth e we igh tof ev iden c e,where i n fact th e
o n ly e vi de nce isexculpatory.
C onsider th ecas e of M a r k Pearso n. Falsely accused of a rape af ter  bump inginto a wo man  in asub w ay sta tion.Video  e vid e n ce pr o v ed  it  w asn't poss i b le,  so
p ol icesloweddown the footage t o  ma ke it appearitdidh a pp en. [h t tps :/ / www . i ndependent.co.u k/news/uk/ cr i me /cps-slowe d -
d ow n-...]( https:/ /www. i ndepend ent.co.uk /news/uk/ cr ime/ c p s-s lowed-down -cctv-
f ootage-of - commu t er -accu sed -of-se xu al- assau lt-to- l ook -like -he-ha d- more-t ime-to -a686118 1.html)

Now if this sa me thi ng ha ppe ned in Ja pan ,  if  they saw  the  video foo tag e t hat
b asi c allyprov e ditw as afals e  accusati o n,  do y ou  think they w o uld  have  ac t ed
ascapr iciously as UK po l ice, or maybechar g e d t hew oman  i nstead?

The n arc is s i sm of th eWestern pol itical/l eg a l cla ss kno ws nobounds. -- - ---
co rey

> work.

When_a society_justifies human rights abuses_based on_results,_bad things_tend
to_happen.

~~~
noego
Being questioned by_the police without_a lawyer being present,_is a "human
rights_abuse"?_I have yet to hear an explanation on why being questioned 1:1
by the police_is_so bad.

------
tus87
I_find_Western_criticism of Japan's legal system_hilarious.

> Japanese prosecutors subject suspects_to up_to eight hours of daily
> questioning while they_are_detained in a_bid to obtain a confession,
> shutting off access to_their family and barring them from_obtaining legal
> assistance_during_the_questioning. And according to_the popular narrative,
> it’s all done_capriciously, with the nefarious machinations of_the state
> lurking behind.

This is true in_almost every western country except the_US. England, Canada,
Australia etc you_have no_right to a lawyer during_questioning. Police will
destroy_and cover_up evidence in_attempt to frame people on a_regular basis,
and basically_join the prosecution from day 1_instead_of investigating crime.
They_seek_certain_sorts of_convictions to please_their_politics masters._They
much_rather a rape conviction than a_false_accusation conviction for example.
They will prosecute people_against the weight of_evidence,_where in fact the
only_evidence is exculpatory.

Consider the case_of Mark Pearson. Falsely accused of_a rape_after bumping
into_a woman in a subway station. Video evidence proved it wasn't_possible, so
police slowed down the footage_to make it appear_it did_happen.
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/cps-slowed-
down-...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/cps-slowed-down-cctv-
footage-of-commuter-accused-of-sexual-assault-to-look-like-he-had-more-time-
to-a6861181.html)

Now_if this same_thing_happened in_Japan, if they saw the video footage_that
basically proved_it was a false accusation, do_you think they would_have_acted
as capriciously as UK police, or_maybe charged the woman instead?

The narcissism_of the Western political/legal class_knows_no_bounds.

------
corey