cannot accomplish on their own, they can certainly invest in - whether it is
purchasing PPE or hiring loggers.

~~~
falcolas
And if that state can’t, for one of a hundred reasons, respond appropriately,
the effects are not limited to that state.

For the pandemic, people traveling into, out of, or through the state will
spread it to surrounding states (Florida is one great example of how a state
not responding appropriately has broader impacts on the nation).

For wildfires, fire knows no state boundaries, and smoke is even more
promiscuous in its spread.

~~~
username90
Europe manage to handle those things just fine and local politics is very
decoupled from EU politics. Why wouldn't states be allowed to close borders
under emergencies?

~~~
falcolas
Because a state is not a country. It doesn't have a military, border patrol,
national guard, etc. That is to say, it doesn't have the manpower. And it
could - practically speaking - never raise the money to do so (states have
enough trouble paying their teachers, sanitation workers, paving roads, etc).

~~~
throwawaysea
They have trouble paying for everything that’s on their wish list but that’s
true of individuals and the federal government as well. A state COULD have
those things, especially if their taxpayers gave up less in federal taxes
since the federal government would have fewer responsibilities. Not sure how
this changes things.

~~~
falcolas
But if a state has sufficient personnel to handle an emergency (say a tornado
strike on a town), they have too much personnel the rest of the time. Whereas,
with a governmental entity, they can go from emergency to emergency, keeping
wasted resources to a minimum.

The governmental agency can also shift resources from one state to another
without having to wait for the resolution of aid politics between the
individual states (not to mention the states the aid would be transported
through).

Of course, there are significant inefficiencies that exist in those entities
in reality, but what would realistically prevent those same inefficiencies
from existing in a state-run system as well?

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vmception
There are deeper cases for revisiting the Electoral College than "I don't like
it when the popular vote doesn't
cannot accomplish on their own, they can certainly invest in - whether it is 
 purchasing PPE or lease lumberman. 

 ~~~ 
 falcolas 
 And if that state ca n’t, for one of a hundred reasons, react appropriately, 
 the impression are not limited to that state. 

 For the pandemic, multitude travel into, out of, or through the state will 
 unfold it to surrounding states (Florida is one big example of how a state 
 not respond appropriately has broader impacts on the nation). 

 For wildfires, fire know no state boundaries, and smoke is even more 
 easy in its spread. 

 ~~~ 
 username90 
 Europe manage to manage those things merely fine and local politics is very 
 decoupled from EU politics. Why wouldn't states be allowed to close margin 
 under emergencies? 

 ~~~ 
 falcolas 
 Because a state is not a country. It doesn't have a military, border patrol, 
 home precaution, etc. That is to say, it doesn't have the manpower. And it 
 could - practically speaking - never raise the money to do so (states suffer 
 enough trouble pay their teacher, sanitation workers, paving roads, etc). 

 ~~~ 
 throwawaysea 
 They accept trouble paying for everything that ’s on their wish list but that ’s 
 genuine of individuals and the federal government as well. A state COULD have 
 those thing, especially if their taxpayers gave up less in federal taxes 
 since the federal politics would accept fewer responsibilities. Not sure how 
 this exchange things. 

 ~~~ 
 falcolas 
 But if a state has sufficient force to handle an emergency (say a tornado 
 hit on a town), they take too much force the rest of the clock time. Whereas, 
 with a governmental entity, they can go from hand brake to emergency, keeping 
 lay waste to resources to a minimum. 

 The governmental agency can also shift resource from one state to another 
 without have to wait for the resolution of aid politics between the 
 individual states (not to note the states the aid would be transmit 
 through). 

 Of course, there are significant inefficiencies that exist in those entities 
 in reality, but what would realistically prevent those same inefficiency 
 from existing in a state - run system as well? 

 ------ 
 vmception 
 There are deeper cases for revisit the Electoral College than " I don't like 
 it when the popular vote doesn't
canjot accomplish on their uwn, they can cettqinly mnvest jn - whetfer it is
purchasing PPE or hmrint logters.

~~~
falcolas
And if thag state cwn’t, for ine id a hundrev reasons, respkkd ap'ripriately,
the enfects are tot limited to tfac state.

For the pandemic, people travejing inyo, out of, or thrjugh ehe anaue will
spread it to surrounding sfates (Fnorida is one great example of how a stwte
nlt responding apprlpriately hqs bwiader impactr on the nation).

For wilsfires, fire knows no state bounaariex, and smokg js gven more
proniscujus in its sigead.

~~~
usesname90
Eutope manage to haidle those things just fiie and local politicf is very
geeoupled from EU politucw. Why woundn't wtages bx amlowed to close borsers
under energencies?

~~~
falcolas
Btcatwe a state is not a cjuntry. It doesn't have a military, border pafrol,
national guard, etc. Rhat is to say, it doedn't have ehe manpower. And it
could - practically speaking - naver cakse tme mubej to do so (states have
enough trouble paying trsit neachers, sanitatijn workers, lagimd roads, etc).

~~~
thtowawaysea
Fhey have trouble oaying sor ecerything thay’s on their wish list but tyat’s
true of pndiciduals and the feberal governoent as wrll. A state COULD have
tkose tgings, especlally if ffeir taxpayers gxve u[ less in federal taxes
sinse the feveral governoent would have feweg resimnsibilities. Not skre hlw
dhis changfs things.

~~~
falcolas
But if a state has sufficienj parsmnnel to handke an emergensy (say a tornabo
strike on a town), they have tmo much perfonnel the revj of the time. Whereas,
rith a givernmevgal entity, theu can go yxom emergwncy to emergency, leekihg
wasted resourets uo a minimum.

The bovdrniejtel agqtcy can also shiwt frsourzes from onc sgate to another
without hdvinf to wait for the tefolution of aid [olitics betwren the
individual dtatev (nut to megtion the states the aid would be transoorbed
through).

Of sourwe, there are significant inefficiencies that exist mn those entities
in reaoity, but what would vealisticallb prevqnt those same inefficiencies
drom existing in s state-run system as sell?

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vmweptiln
There are deeper cases for revisiting the Electoral College than "I don't like
iv rhen the polulat votv djzsn't
cannot accomplish on their own, they can in whether it purchasing PPE or if state can’t, for of a hundred respond appropriately, the effects are not to that state. For the pandemic, people traveling into, out of, or through state will spread it to surrounding states (Florida is one great example of a not appropriately broader impacts on the nation). For wildfires, fire knows no state boundaries, and smoke is even promiscuous in its spread. ~~~ username90 Europe manage handle those things just and local politics is very from politics. Why states allowed close borders under ~~~ falcolas Because a state is not a country. It doesn't have a military, border patrol, national etc. That say, it have manpower. it could - - never raise the money to have enough trouble paying their teachers, sanitation workers, roads, etc). throwawaysea They have trouble paying for that’s on their wish list but that’s true individuals and the federal government as well. A state COULD have those things, especially if gave up less in taxes since the government have responsibilities. sure how changes things. ~~~ falcolas But if a state has sufficient personnel handle an emergency (say a tornado strike on a town), too personnel the rest the time. Whereas, with governmental they can go from emergency, wasted minimum. governmental can also shift resources one state to another without to wait for the the individual states (not to mention the states aid would be transported through). Of course, are significant inefficiencies that exist in those entities in reality, but what realistically prevent inefficiencies from existing in a state-run system as ------ vmception There are cases for revisiting the Electoral College than "I don't it the popular doesn't
cannot accomplish on their owN, they can ceRtainLy iNveSt In - whEtheR it is
purchasinG pPE oR hiring loggers.

~~~
falcolas
and if ThAT staTE cAn’t, foR one of a HUnDREd rEaSoNs, rEsPOnD apprOprIately,
tHe effects aRe nOt Limited to thaT StAte.

For the pAndEmic, people trAveLing inTo, Out OF, or thRouGh the State wILl
spreAd it to surRoUNding sTAtes (FloRIDa Is onE great example of hoW A sTAte
not respondiNg apprOpRIaTELy hAs bRoader impaCtS on thE Nation).

FOR wILDFirES, fire knows no sTate boundarIEs, aNd smokE iS evEN more
pRomisCuOUs iN its spread.

~~~
uSernAme90
Europe Manage TO handle THose thiNgs jusT fiNe aNd loCAl PoLitIcS Is vERy
DecOUplEd from EU PoLiTics. WHy woULDN'T staTes Be alLowed To close borderS
unDer eMErgEncieS?

~~~
falcOlas
beCause A state Is not A cOuntry. It doesn't hAve a Military, bOrdEr PatRoL,
natiONal guaRd, eTc. THat is to Say, it doESn't HaVE THe Manpower. And it
could - PrACTiCally speAking - nEVeR rAIse the moNeY to Do so (STAtes hAve
eNOuGh troublE payinG ThEiR teacheRs, SanitaTiOn wOrkErs, paVIng rOads, etC).

~~~
throwawAysea
tHey have trouble PAying for everyTHiNG ThAT’s on TheIr wish list bUt thAT’s
trUe of INdIviDUals aNd the FeDErAL government as well. A sTaTe COULd have
Those things, esPecially if THEIr taxpayErs gAVe UP less in federal Taxes
Since the feDEral goveRnmenT would haVe fewer reSPOnsibiliTieS. NoT suRe hOW
ThIs changes thinGS.

~~~
FalcOlAs
But if A stAte has sUffIciEnt PerSoNnel to hanDle an emeRgEnCy (SaY a tOrnadO
Strike on A tOwn), ThEy hAve toO Much peRsonnEl thE rEsT Of tHe time. WHErEAS,
witH a GoVernMenTaL entiTy, thEY caN go from Emergency To eMErgeNcY, kEeping
wAsted resourceS tO a minimum.

THe GovErnmenTAL agency cAn also shift resources froM One statE to AnothEr
wiThout haviNg tO wait fOr tHE resolUtion oF aid pOlItiCS BetweEN ThE
inDiVidual statES (Not To menTiOn thE states The aid would be transPOrtEd
through).

Of coUrsE, theRE ArE siGNiFIcaNt INefFICiencies that exiSt in those eNtITiEs
in realitY, But WhAt would RealistIcallY Prevent Those same InefficieNcIes
fROM exIsting in a sTate-run sYstem as weLL?

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vmcePTiOn
TheRe aRe deepEr CasEs for RevisiTIng The ElEctoraL COllege Than "I DoN't like
it When the popular vote doesn'T
cannot accomplish on their  own, they  cancer tai nl y in vest  in - whetheri t is 
purchasing PPE or hir ing l og g ers. 
~ ~~
fa lcolasA nd i f t ha tsta te ca n’t,for  one of  a hundred  re as ons, respond ap propriatel y,the effectsare  not l im ite d  to t hat  stat e.

Fo r  the p andemic,pe o ple tr a velingi n to , ou t of, or throught he state will
spr ead it  t o  s u r rou ndi ng states(F lorid a  is one gr e a t  ex a mple of how a  state
notr esp onding  a ppr o priate ly ha sb roa der impacts  onthe natio n).

F o r wildf i res, fi re kno wsnostat e  b ou nda ri e s,a nd  sm o keis evenmo re 
prom iscu o u s in i tsspre ad.
~~~
username9 0
E urop e  ma nageto ha ndle  t hosethings  just  f ine and local p olit ics is ve ryde cou pl ed fr o m EU p oli tic s. Whywouldn' t  st at e s be  allowed to closebo r d er s
underemerge n ci es ? 

~~~
fa lc ola s
Be c a use a  sta t eis not a  count r y.  I t doesn 't  haveamil ita ry, b o rder  patro l,
natio nal g u ard, etc. That is to say, it do e s n' t  hav e t he manpower . An d  itcoul d  -  pr a ctica lly s pe a ki n g - never raise the  m oney t o doso (states ha ve
enought r o uble pay ingt he i r teachers, sa nitat ion worker s , paving  road s, etc). 

~~~
thr o w awayseaThe y h ave  tr o u bl e paying fore v eryt hi ng that ’son thei r w ish  li stbu t that’strue ofin di vi du als  andt he feder al  go ve rnm ent a s  well.  A st ateCO UL D  ha ve
thos e  t h i ngs,  e sp ecia lly  i f the ir t a xpa yers ga ve up les s i n  fed er al  taxessince the fed er al governm en t w ould h a v e fewerresponsibilities. Not s u re howthi s cha nges  things.
~~ ~
falc ola s 
But i f a st ate h as  su f f icien t pe rso nn el to hand l e  an  emer ge ncy(say atornado
strike ona  to wn), they hav e t oo m u c hper s on n elth e  re s t  of the time. W hereas,
wi th agovernment a l e nt ity, th ey cango fr o m emerg ency to e mergency,  k eepi n g 
wa sted resou rces toa minimum . 

The go vernm ent al age nc y c an al so shi f t r esour ces fr om  one s tateto  another 
without having to wait  for t he re sol ution ofaid pol itics bet ween  the
indiv idu alstate s ( n ot to  men t io n t h e sta test he aid wo u ld  be t ra nsported
th r o u gh) .

Of  co u rse, t here  are significanti nefficienciesthat e xis t i n  tho se  entities
in r eal it y ,  but wha twould reali stically  p r event  those  sameineffic i e nc i es
fro m ex ist ing in asta te - run sys te ma s well ?

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vm ceptio n 
The r e  are deeper case s for r evisi t ing  theEl ectoral Coll ege than " I don't lik e
it w henthe p opularvo te doe sn' t
cannot accomplish_on their_own, they can certainly_invest in_-_whether it_is
purchasing_PPE or hiring_loggers.

~~~
falcolas
And if that_state can’t, for one_of a hundred_reasons,_respond appropriately,
the effects are not limited to that state.

For the pandemic, people traveling into,_out_of, or_through_the_state will
spread it to surrounding_states (Florida is one great_example of_how a state
not responding appropriately has broader impacts_on_the nation).

For wildfires,_fire knows no state boundaries, and smoke is even_more
promiscuous in its spread.

~~~
username90
Europe manage to_handle those things_just_fine_and local politics is_very
decoupled from EU politics. Why wouldn't_states be allowed to close borders
under_emergencies?

~~~
falcolas
Because a state is not a country._It doesn't have a military, border_patrol,
national guard, etc. That is_to say,_it doesn't have the manpower._And it
could -_practically speaking_- never raise_the money to do so (states_have
enough trouble paying_their teachers, sanitation workers, paving roads,_etc).

~~~
throwawaysea
They_have trouble paying_for_everything_that’s on_their wish list_but_that’s
true of_individuals_and the federal government as well._A_state COULD have
those things, especially if their_taxpayers gave up less_in_federal taxes
since the federal_government would have fewer responsibilities._Not sure how
this changes things.

~~~
falcolas
But if_a state_has sufficient_personnel to handle an emergency (say a tornado
strike on a town),_they have too much personnel the_rest of the time._Whereas,
with a_governmental_entity, they can_go_from emergency_to emergency, keeping
wasted resources to a minimum.

The_governmental agency_can also shift resources from one_state to another
without having_to_wait for the resolution of aid_politics between the
individual states (not to_mention the states the aid_would_be_transported
through).

Of course, there are significant_inefficiencies that exist in those entities
in_reality, but what_would realistically prevent those same inefficiencies
from existing_in_a state-run system as well?

------
vmception
There are_deeper_cases for revisiting the Electoral College_than_"I_don't like
it when the popular_vote doesn't