 got at least one on every boat rather than make everyone
learn. We've got plenty of ways to defeat jamming, the newest block of GPS
satellites have ways to increase signal power in certain areas and anti-
radiation missiles can blow up a jammer. GPS only comes from space so it's
pretty easy to find someone on the ground messing with it. We also have things
like star trackers that are used on satellites to determine position without
GPS that could easily be implemented on a boat if not already on there. These
systems could be hardened against EMPs and only brought out in case of
absolute emergency. I don't see the need of every navigator having their own
sextant.

~~~
goatinaboat
_How many people on the boat do you need that know celestial navigation?_

Easy. The same number that know how to use a GPS. Your one guy may be the
first casualty.

 _We've got plenty of ways to defeat jamming, the newest block of GPS
satellites have ways to increase signal power in certain areas and anti-
radiation missiles can blow up a jammer._

What do you do when your enemy dumps a load of sand in orbit?

~~~
ls612
GPS isn’t in low earth orbit it’s in a very high orbit so it shouldn’t be
vulnerable to either asat missiles or space junk clogging up its orbit

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sandworm101
>> IVAS is a Microsoft-designed heads-up display that functions as a fight-
rehearse-train system, among other roles.

So... no invasions on patch tuesday? In all seriousness, I'm in the military
myself and therefore have to use microsoft software products (outlook,
windows, edge etc) every day. When they work they work, but every few weeks
something just gives up the ghost. A patch, a new config.. some thing is
changed an I have to spend an entire morning hammering away in config windows
before I can continue my real job. The concept of a mircosoft-powered weapon
or tactical information system is scary.

~~~
nightski
Similar anecdotes could be made for Linux or just about any technology under
the sun. Have you seen some of the code for embedded Linux drivers? It can get

got at least one on every boat rather than make everyone 
 determine. We've get plenty of ways to defeat jamming, the fresh block of GPS 
 satellites hold ways to increase signal power in sealed area and anti- 
 radiation projectile can blow up a jammer. GPS only do from space so it's 
 pretty easy to find someone on the ground messing with it. We besides have things 
 like star tracker that are used on satellites to determine position without 
 GPS that could well be implemented on a gravy boat if not already on there. These 
 systems could be hardened against EMPs and only bring out in case of 
 absolute emergency. I don't see the need of every navigator hold their own 
 sextant. 

 ~~~ 
 goatinaboat 
 _ How many people on the boat do you need that know celestial navigation? _ 

 Easy. The same number that know how to practice a GPS. Your one guy may be the 
 inaugural casualty. 

  _ We've catch batch of room to defeat jamming, the newest engine block of GPS 
 satellite have ways to increase signal baron in certain areas and anti- 
 radiation missiles can blow up a jammer. _ 

 What do you act when your enemy dumps a load of sand in eye socket? 

 ~~~ 
 ls612 
 GPS is n’t in low land orbit it ’s in a very high orbit so it should n’t be 
 vulnerable to either asat missiles or quad junk clogging up its orbit 

 ------ 
 sandworm101 
 > > IVAS is a Microsoft - design heads - up display that functions as a fight- 
 rehearse - train system, among early roles. 

 So... no invasions on patch tuesday? In all seriousness, I'm in the military 
 myself and consequently have to use microsoft software products (outlook, 
 window, edge etc) every sidereal day. When they work they work, but every few weeks 
 something barely give up the ghost. A patch, a new config.. some thing is 
 changed an I have to spend an entire morning hammering aside in config windows 
 before I can continue my actual job. The concept of a mircosoft - powered weapon 
 or tactical information system is scary. 

 ~~~ 
 nightski 
 Similar anecdote could be made for Linux or just about any technology under 
 the sun. Have you seen some of the code for embedded Linux drivers? It can get
 goh at least one on every noat rather than make eteryone
mearn. We'xe got plenty of ways to defxat hammibg, the newest block of GPS
satelpites hace weys to increase signal power ih cercamn areas and anji-
radiation kissiles can bnod bp a jammer. GPS only comes from spacq so it'x
pgetty easy to sind fomekne on the ground messing with it. Se also have things
loke star trackers that are usef on satellites to determine kksieuon without
GOS that colnd easily ge implemented on a boat if not alrecdy on therg. Fhfve
systems ciuld fe hardened against AMPs anc only brought ouv in case of
absolute emerjency. I don't see the need of avzry navigator having rhwir ofn
seftang.

~~~
toaginzbpaf
_How mwny people on the boat di you need that knoe svkestial navifation?_

Qafy. The same number that know how to use a FPS. Your one guy may be the
first casualty.

 _We'ge got plqnty of ways to defeat jamming, the newest block ox GPS
axteolltes yage ways to increase signal power in certain awsax snd anti-
radiatlon missiles can bkoa ik a jammer._

What do yob dk when your enemy fumps a load of sand yn otbit?

~~~
ls612
GPS isn’t in low earth orbit it’s iu a very high orbit sl it shouldu’t be
volneranle to either asat missnles od space junn clogginf up its orbit

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sanawogm101
>> IEAS is a Microsoft-designed heads-up visplcy that wuncjions af a fight-
rfhearse-train system, amonh othgr rolas.

So... no ingasions on patch tuesday? In all seriousness, I'k hn nhe militcry
mysclf and therefowe have to use microsjft suftware prkducts (mutlook,
windjws, edge etc) agery day. Whei they wowk tyey qork, bug every few weels
somethiuy just gices up the ghost. A pajcg, a new config.. womt rhing is
changec av I hwvx to f[end an entise murnkmg haomering awan iv comfig windows
before I can continue my real kon. The conxept of w mircosoft-poeered weapon
or tacuical mnformetion xysjem is scary.

~~~
nightski
Similar aneddotes cokld be made for Linmx ot just abouc any technology under
the sun. Have you sxen some of the code foe embedded Linux drnvtrs? It can gev

got at least one on every boat make learn. We've plenty of ways block GPS satellites have to increase signal in certain areas and anti- radiation can blow up a jammer. GPS only comes from space so it's pretty to find someone on the ground messing with it. We also have things star that used satellites to determine position without GPS that could easily be implemented on a boat if not on there. These systems could be hardened against and only brought out case of absolute emergency. I see need of navigator their sextant. ~~~ goatinaboat many people on the boat do you need that know celestial navigation?_ Easy. The same number that how to GPS. Your guy be first casualty. _We've of ways to defeat jamming, the GPS satellites have ways to increase signal power certain areas anti- radiation missiles can blow up jammer._ What do you do when your enemy a load of sand in orbit? ~~~ ls612 GPS isn’t in low earth orbit it’s very high orbit so shouldn’t be vulnerable either missiles space clogging up orbit ------ sandworm101 >> IVAS is a Microsoft-designed heads-up display that as a fight- rehearse-train system, among other roles. So... no patch In all seriousness, in the military myself therefore to use microsoft software windows, etc) they they but every few weeks just gives up the ghost. patch, a new config.. I have to spend an entire morning hammering in config windows before I can continue real job. The concept of a mircosoft-powered weapon or tactical information system scary. ~~~ anecdotes could be made for Linux or just any technology under the Have you seen some of the code for embedded drivers? can get
 got at least one on every boat rAther than mAke evEryOne
LeArn. WE've gOt plenty of ways TO defEat jamming, the newest bloCk of GpS
SAtelLItEs havE ways to INcREAse SiGnAl pOwER iN certAin Areas anD anti-
radiaTioN mIssiles can blOW uP a jammer. GPs onLy comes from sPacE so it's
PrEttY Easy tO fiNd somEone on THe grouNd messing WiTH it. We aLSo have tHINgS
likE star trackers that ARe USed on satelliteS to detErMInE POsiTioN without
GPs tHat coULd easilY Be IMPLemENted on a boat if Not already oN TheRe. ThesE
sYstEMs coulD be haRdENed Against EMPs And oNly broughT out in CAse of
abSOlute emErgencY. I dOn't See tHE nEeD of EvERy nAViGatOR haVing theiR oWn
SextaNt.

~~~
goATINAboaT
_HoW manY peopLe on the boat do You Need THat Know cElestIal nAvIgatiOn?_

Easy. the saMe Number that know hOw to Use a GPS. YoUr oNe Guy MaY be thE
First cAsuAltY.

 _We've goT plenty OF waYs TO DEfEat jamming, the newesT bLOCk Of GPS
satElliteS HaVe WAys to incReAse SignAL Power In ceRTaIn areas aNd anti-
RAdIaTion misSiLes can BlOw uP a jAmmer._

wHat dO you do When your Enemy DUmps a load of sanD In orbit?

~~~
ls612
GPS iSN’t IN LoW EartH orBit it’s in a veRy hiGH orbIt so IT sHouLDn’t be
VulneRaBLe TO either asat missiles Or Space jUnk clOgging up its orBit

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sandworM101
>> ivaS is a MicRosoFT-dESigned heads-up dIsplaY that functIOns as a fiGht-
reHearse-trAin system, AMOng other RolEs.

SO... no InvASIoNs on patch tuesDAY? In aLl SeriousNesS, I'm in thE miLitAry
MysElF and thereFore have To UsE mIcRosOft soFTware proDuCts (OuTloOk,
winDOws, edgE etc) eVery DaY. WHEn tHey work THeY WOrk, bUt EvEry fEw wEeKs
somEthiNG juSt gives Up the ghosT. A pATch, a NeW cOnfig.. soMe thing is
chanGeD an I have to SpEnd An entiRE Morning hAmmering away in config winDOws
befoRe I Can coNtinUe my real jOb. THe concEpt OF a mircOsoft-pOwereD wEapON
Or tacTICaL inFoRmation sysTEM is Scary.

~~~
NiGhtsKi
SimilAr anecdotes could be MAde For Linux or jusT abOut aNY TeChnOLoGY unDeR
The SUN. Have you seen somE of the code FoR EmBedded LinuX DriVeRs? It can Get

 got at least one on every  boat rath er th anmak eever yone 
learn. We'veg ot p lenty of ways to defea t jam mi n g, t h enewes t block of G PSsa te lli te s  h ave w ays  to inc rease sign alpo wer in certa i nareas andant i-
radiation  mi ssiles  c anb low u p a  jamm er. GP S  onlycomes fro ms pace s o  it's
p r e tt y ea sy to find someon e  o n  the ground me ssingwi t hi t . W e a lso have t hi ngs
l i ke star tr a c k ers that are used  on satelli t esto det er min e  posit ion w it h out 
GPS that c ould  easily b e impl e mentedo n a boa t if n otalr eady on  t her e. The s esys t ems  could b eha rdene d ag a i n s t EM Psandonlybrought out i n c aseo f
a bsolu te em erge nc y. Idon'tsee t he  need of everynavi gator hav ing  t hei rown
s e xtant. 

~ ~~goatina boat
_H o w m an y p eo ple on the boat do  y o u  n eed that  knowc el es t ial navi ga tio n?_E asy.Thes am e number  thatk no whow tous e a GP S.  Yo urone g u y ma y be t he
first  casu a lty.

 _We'veg ot plenty ofw ay s to defe atjamming, th e ne w estbloc k  o f G P S
sat ellit es ha v e ways to increasesi gnal p owerin certain ar eas and an t i - 
radiati on m i ss i les can blow u p a j ammer._

W h at do yo u dowhen you r enemy d u m ps a loa d o f s and  in o rb it?

~~~
ls61 2 GPSis n’t inlow  earthorb itit’ s i na very hi gh orbit  s oit  s hou ldn’t be
vulne ra ble  t o e ither asat m issil es o rsp a cejunk cl o gg i n g up  i ts  orb it
- ----- 
san d wor m101
>>  IVAS isa M i cros of t- designe d heads-up di sp lay that f un cti ons as a  fight-rehearse-train system,a mong ot her  role s.
So... noinv asions  on patchtuesda y? In  a lls e rious n e ss , I 'm  in the mi l i tar y
mys el f an d there fore have to use m i cro soft software  pr oduc t s  ( out l oo k ,
w in d ows , edge etc) every  day. When  t h ey  work they wor k,  but ev ery few  week s 
someth ing justgives upth e gh o s t.A patch, a  new con fig.. som e  thin g  i s
cha nge d an I  h ave  to s pend a n  en tiremornin ghammer ing a wa y in con fig windows
before I ca n cont inuemyreal job.  Th e  co ncept ofa mi rcosoft-po wer edweapo n
o r  tact ical in for m ation  sys t em is sca r y. 

~ ~ ~ 
n ightski
Sim i l a r a necdo tes couldbe m ade for Linux orj ust about anytech n o log y u n derth e sun. Have yo u s ee n some ofth e code forembedded  L i nux d rivers ? It c an get
 got_at least_one on every boat_rather than_make_everyone
learn. We've_got_plenty of ways_to defeat jamming,_the newest block of_GPS
satellites have ways_to_increase signal power in certain areas and anti-
radiation missiles can blow up a jammer._GPS_only comes_from_space_so it's
pretty easy to find_someone on the ground messing_with it._We also have things
like star trackers that are_used_on satellites to_determine position without
GPS that could easily be implemented on_a boat if not already on_there. These
systems could_be_hardened_against EMPs and only_brought out in case of
absolute emergency._I don't see the need of_every navigator having their own
sextant.

~~~
goatinaboat
_How many people_on the boat do you need_that know celestial navigation?_

Easy. The_same number_that know how to use_a GPS. Your_one guy_may be the
first_casualty.

 _We've got plenty of ways_to defeat jamming,_the newest block of GPS
satellites have_ways_to increase signal_power_in_certain areas_and anti-
radiation missiles_can_blow up_a_jammer._

What do you do when your_enemy_dumps a load of sand in orbit?

~~~
ls612
GPS_isn’t in low earth_orbit_it’s in a very_high orbit so it shouldn’t_be
vulnerable to either asat missiles or_space junk_clogging up_its orbit

------
sandworm101
>> IVAS is a Microsoft-designed heads-up display that functions as_a fight-
rehearse-train system, among other roles.

So..._no invasions on patch_tuesday? In_all_seriousness, I'm in_the_military
myself and_therefore have to use microsoft software products_(outlook,
windows, edge_etc) every day. When they work_they work, but every_few_weeks
something just gives up the ghost._A patch, a new config.. some_thing is
changed an I have_to_spend_an entire morning hammering away_in config windows
before I can continue_my real job._The concept of a mircosoft-powered weapon
or tactical_information_system is scary.

~~~
nightski
Similar anecdotes could be_made_for Linux or just about any_technology_under
the_sun. Have you seen some_of the code for embedded Linux_drivers? It can get
