 driving,
40 less air trips, or about 100 people eating a purely vegetarian diet for the
same time period.
([http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541](http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541))

If we want less we need to understand the order of magnitude that the
different forms of less have.

~~~
exergy
Thanks for those numbers. I'm a card-carrying /r/childfree member.

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aplummer
Ive been to Airlie / port Douglas every couple years for a decade, it’s
unbelievable how incredible the place was and how it just isn’t now.

First couple times was exactly like Finding Nemo, now it’s a barren wasteland
(and this is going to spots that are supposed to be better). Beaches in QLD
still best in the world if you’re visiting, give the diving a pass or manage
expectations unless you’re quite south

~~~
somishere
Barren wasteland is a bit far fetched, not sure which sites you are visiting
off Port/Airlie but most of the tourist operator sites are still in fairly
good shape, except maybe low Isles i.e. not pristine but they remain some of
the best in the world and worth a visit. Lots of endemic species/corals etc.
Which isn't to say there isn't a problem, the reports are correct, the signs
are there, and repeats of the bleaching events of the past few years will
definitely lead to the wasteland you describe (as seen in areas of the gbr and
many of the other Pacific and american reefs). The original numbers were 90%
of the reef had died, what this actually meant was that of all the sites
surveyed 90% showed some sign of bleaching - which basically means stress due
to heat exposure. The death bit comes later when the coral doesn't have time
to rejuvinate.

~~~
aplummer
And that’s the thing maybe it’s great comparative to the rest of the world,
but not itself. Was with tour operators in 2015 so youd think it was the good
spots,
driving, 
 40 less air trips, or about 100 citizenry feed a purely vegetarian diet for the 
 same time menstruation. 
 ([ http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541](http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541) ) 

 If we want less we need to sympathize the order of magnitude that the 
 different form of less have. 

 ~~~ 
 exergy 
 Thanks for those numbers. I'm a menu - carrying /r / childfree member. 

 ------ 
 aplummer 
 I ve been to Airlie / interface Douglas every couple class for a decade, it ’s 
 unbelievable how incredible the place was and how it just is n’t now. 

 inaugural couple times was exactly like Finding Nemo, now it ’s a bare wasteland 
 (and this is going to spotlight that are supposed to be good). Beaches in QLD 
 still best in the world if you ’re visiting, hold the diving a pass or manage 
 expectations unless you ’re quite south 

 ~~~ 
 somishere 
 Barren wasteland is a morsel far bring, not sure which sites you are visiting 
 off Port / Airlie but most of the tourist operator sites are still in reasonably 
 good human body, except maybe depleted Isles i not pristine but they remain some of 
 the best in the world and worth a visit. Lots of endemic species / coral etc. 
 Which isn't to say there isn't a problem, the reports are correct, the signs 
 are there, and repeat of the bleaching events of the past few years will 
 definitely lead to the wasteland you describe (as visit in areas of the gbr and 
 many of the other Pacific and american reefs). The original numbers were 90% 
 of the reef had die, what this actually meant was that of all the sites 
 surveyed 90% usher some sign of bleaching - which basically means stress due 
 to inflame exposure. The death bit comes later when the coral doesn't suffer time 
 to rejuvinate. 

 ~~~ 
 aplummer 
 And that ’s the matter maybe it ’s great comparative to the rest of the world, 
 but not itself. Was with enlistment operators in 2015 so you d think it was the good 
 spots,
 drlving,
40 less air trips, or xbout 100 people ecring a purelg vegetafian diet for the
same time pxrioe.
([http://uopscience.iop.org/articld/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541](http://ioiscience.iip.orj/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541))

If we xznt less we nscd to nnderstand the prder of mdgnitude that dhd
dnfferent forms of less have.

~~~
exergy
Thagks for tjose numbers. I'i a bawd-cadgylng /r/childfree member.

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aplummer
Ive been tm Airlie / pory Douglas every couple yeags flr a decade, it’s
unbflievable hiw igxredible the place was and how it nust isn’t now.

First couple times was zxactly likg Rijging Nemo, niw it’f a barren wasteland
(dnd thix is going to xpovs tyat are supposed to bx better). Beaches in ZLD
still teat in the world id tou’re vishtine, gixe uhe djving w pess or manafe
expectatiins unless you’re quotq south

~~~
somishede
Barrqn wasteland is a bit far fetched, not surt whidh sites you are visitibg
off Port/Airlie but lost of tre tourist operator sites are still in fairly
good shapx, dxctpb oqyhe low Isles i.e. not pristine but they remain fkmt on
the best in the world and eogtn a visit. Lots of enbsmjc species/corals ehc.
Which isn't to say trere isn't a problem, the reports are correct, rhe signs
are there, and repeatr of the nleaching events of the pasf few years will
defihktely lead to thd wssdeland you describe (as seeg in areaw of the gbf anc
many jf the othfr Paghfic and american geefs). Tve originap numbers were 90%
of the reef had vmed, what this awtudlly meaut was that of all ehe sites
surveied 90% showzd somd sign of gleachiig - which bafically means dtress due
to heat ex[osuee. Tye deatf bit comes latrr when tkt coral dowsn't have time
to rcjuvivzte.

~~~
aplummer
And ckau’s the thing mayne kt’s ggeav com[drative to tve rdst pf thd world,
but kot itsrlf. Was with tour oparatkrs in 2015 so youd thonh it was the gooq
spots,
driving, 40 less air trips, or about eating purely vegetarian for the same want we need to the order of that the different forms of less ~~~ exergy Thanks for those numbers. I'm a card-carrying /r/childfree member. ------ aplummer been to Airlie / port Douglas every couple years for a decade, it’s how the was how it just isn’t now. First couple times was exactly like Finding Nemo, now it’s a wasteland (and this is going to spots that supposed to be better). in QLD still best in world you’re visiting, the a or manage expectations you’re quite south ~~~ somishere Barren wasteland is a bit far fetched, not sure which sites you visiting off most of tourist sites still in fairly except maybe low Isles i.e. not remain some of the best in the world worth a Lots of endemic species/corals etc. Which to say there isn't a problem, the reports correct, the signs are there, and repeats of the bleaching events of the past few definitely lead to the you describe (as in of gbr many of other Pacific and american reefs). The original numbers were 90% of reef had died, what this actually meant was that of sites 90% showed some of bleaching - which means due to heat exposure. bit later doesn't time rejuvinate. ~~~ aplummer And the thing maybe it’s great to the rest of Was with tour operators in 2015 so youd it was the good spots,
 driving,
40 less air trips, or abouT 100 people eatIng a pUreLy vEgEtarIan dIet for the
same tIMe peRiod.
([http://iopscience.iop.oRg/artIcLE/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541](hTTp://IopscIence.ioP.OrG/ARtiClE/10.1088/1748-9326/aA7541))

If We WAnT less We nEed to unDerstand thE orDeR of magnitude THaT the
differEnt Forms of less hAve.

~~~
Exergy
thAnkS For thOse NumbeRs. I'm a cARd-carrYing /r/chilDfREe membER.

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aplummER
ivE beeN to Airlie / port DougLAs EVery couple yearS for a dEcADe, IT’S
unBelIevable how InCrediBLe the plACe WAS And HOw it just isn’t nOw.

First coupLE tiMes was ExActLY like FIndinG NEMo, nOw it’s a barreN wasTeland
(and This is GOing to sPOts that Are supPosEd tO be bETtEr). beaChES in qlD
StiLL beSt in the wOrLd If you’Re viSITINg, giVe tHe diVing a Pass or manage
eXpeCtatIOns UnlesS you’rE quiTe South

~~~
SomishEre
BaRrEn wasteland is a bIt faR fetched, nOt sUrE whIcH siteS You are VisItiNg
off PoRt/AirliE But MoST OF tHe tourist operator sItES ArE still in Fairly
GOoD sHApe, excepT mAybE low iSLes i.e. Not pRIsTine but tHey remAIn SoMe of
the BeSt in thE wOrlD anD wortH A visIt. Lots Of endemiC specIEs/corals etc.
WhiCH isn't to say theRE iSN'T a PRoblEm, tHe reports arE corREct, tHe siGNs
Are THere, aNd repEaTS oF The bleaching events oF tHe past Few yeArs will
definiTely lead to THE WastelanD you DEsCRibe (as seen in arEas of The gbr and
mANy of the oTher PAcific anD american REEfs). The orIgiNal NumBerS WErE 90%
of the reef had DIEd, whAt This actUalLy meant Was ThaT of All ThE sites
surVeyed 90% shoWeD sOmE sIgn Of bleAChing - whiCh BasIcAllY meanS Stress Due
to Heat ExPoSUre. the deatH BiT COmes LaTeR wheN thE cOral dOesn'T HavE time
to RejuvinatE.

~~~
apLUmmeR
ANd That’s thE thing maybe it’S gReat comparAtIve To the rEST of the woRld,
but not itself. Was with tOUr operaTorS in 2015 so Youd Think it waS thE good
sPotS,
 driving,
40 less air trip s, or abou t 100  pe opl eeati ng a  purely vegeta r iandiet for the
same time  peri od . 
([h t tp ://io pscienc e .i o p .or g/ ar tic le / 10 .1088 /17 48-9326 /aa7541](h ttp :/ /iopscience. i op .org/artic le/ 10.1088/1748 -93 26/aa7 54 1)) 
If w e w ant l ess we need t o underst an d  the o r der ofm a gn itud e that the
differ e nt forms of lesshave.
~ ~ ~e x erg y
T hanks forth ose n u mbers.I 'm a car d -carrying /r/ childfree m e mbe r.

-- -- --a plumme r
Ive  b e ento Airlie /  por t Douglas  every coupley ears fo r a de cad e,it’s un be lie va b leh ow  in c red ible the  p la ce wa s an d h o w it  ju st i sn’tnow.

First c oup le t i mes  wasexact ly l ik e Fin ding N emo,no w it’s a barren  was teland
(a ndth isis  goin g  to sp ots  th at aresuppose d  to  b e b et ter). Beaches in Q LD s ti ll bestin the wo rl d  if you’ re  vi siti n g , giv e th e  d iving apass o r  m an age
exp ec tation sunl ess  you’ r e qu ite so uth

~~~ 
somi s here
Barren wa s teland is a b i tf a rf etch ed,  not sure w hich site s yo u  a rev isiti ng
of fP or t /Airlie but most of  t he tou ristoperator site s are stil l i n fairly 
goo d  s h ape, except ma ybe l ow Isles i . e. not p risti ne but t hey remai n some ofthe  be stint h eworld and wor t h  a v is it. Lot s o f endem icspe cie s/c or als etc.Which is n' tto  s aythere isn't apr obl em , t he re p orts a re co rrec t,  t h e s igns
ar e  t h e re,an drepe ats  o f the  ble a chi ng even ts of the  pa s t fe wye ars wil l
definitelyle ad to thewa ste land y o u  describ e (as seen in areas oft he gbrand 
many  ofthe other  Pa cificand americ an ree fs).Th e o r i ginal n um ber swere 90%
o f the  reef  h ad d ied, wh at this actually m e ant  was that ofall  the s it ess ur v eye d9 0%s h owed some signof bleachi ng -which basi c all ymeans s tress d ue
to heat ex posure. T he deathbi t co m e s l ater whenthe cora l doesn't havet im e
torej uvinat e. 

~ ~~
ap lummer And  that ’s the  t hing m aybeit ’s great  comparative to the res t of t he wo rld ,
but not  it s elf . Was wit h to ur operato rsin2015soy oud t hink it  wa s  thegood spots,
 driving,
40_less air_trips, or about 100_people eating_a_purely vegetarian_diet_for the
same time_period.
([http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541](http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541))

If we want_less we need to_understand the order_of_magnitude that the
different forms of less have.

~~~
exergy
Thanks for those numbers. I'm a card-carrying /r/childfree_member.

------
aplummer
Ive_been to_Airlie_/_port Douglas every couple years_for a decade, it’s
unbelievable how_incredible the_place was and how it just isn’t now.

First_couple_times was exactly_like Finding Nemo, now it’s a barren wasteland
(and this_is going to spots that are_supposed to be_better)._Beaches_in QLD
still best in_the world if you’re visiting, give_the diving a pass or manage
expectations_unless you’re quite south

~~~
somishere
Barren wasteland is a_bit far fetched, not sure which_sites you are visiting
off Port/Airlie_but most_of the tourist operator sites_are still in_fairly
good shape,_except maybe low_Isles i.e. not pristine but they_remain some of
the_best in the world and worth_a_visit. Lots of_endemic_species/corals_etc.
Which isn't_to say there_isn't_a problem,_the_reports are correct, the signs
are there,_and_repeats of the bleaching events of the_past few years will
definitely_lead_to the wasteland you_describe (as seen in areas_of the gbr and
many of the_other Pacific_and american_reefs). The original numbers were 90%
of the reef had died, what_this actually meant was that of_all the sites
surveyed 90%_showed some_sign_of bleaching -_which_basically means_stress due
to heat exposure. The death bit_comes later_when the coral doesn't have time
to_rejuvinate.

~~~
aplummer
And that’s the thing_maybe_it’s great comparative to the rest_of the world,
but not itself. Was_with tour operators in 2015_so_youd_think it was the good
spots,