 in 24 hours type rubbish).

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vkaku
My personal advice is that while learning CS is helpful but University degrees
are expensive and may not give you a ROI.

The right course taught by the right person and learnt the right way will. And
often, I found that some MOOCs have a way better structure and content than
the ones I was taught in my University back in the day.

I'd suggest going through them and strengthening your concepts yourself - and
if you feel all you need is a degree (or) a course that offers you far better
discipline, then go for it.

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seanwilson
> I have, however invested a lot of time learning higher math and advanced
> computer science topics on my own and I’d like to get a degree, but the idea
> of having to spending all the time and money going through undergraduate
> prerequisites feels like a waste for me.

If you know you can learn it yourself and you've got this far without a
degree, why do you want one?

~~~
IloveHN84
Higher salary?

~~~
seanwilson
Genuine question but after 15 years working experience when is a degree going
to make a difference when looking to get hired? Does it even make a difference
after a couple of years of experience?

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bjourne
You do not need to be present in class a whole lot in most CS curricula. You
can do exercises and homeworks on your own and only need to be present for
exams and presentations.

 
Linux users file EU complaint against Microsoft - recoiledsnake
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/thomson-reuters/130326/exclusive-open-software-group-files-complaint-eu-against-micros
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neya
From the article:

    
    
        Microsoft's relations with the EU executive have been tense since 2004, when the EU found that the company had abused its market leader position by tying Windows Media Player to the Windows software package.
    
        But Microsoft broke its 2009 pledge and was fined 561 million euros by the EU Commission on March 6 for failing to offer users a choice of web browser.
    

I'm no Microsoft fanboi, but, let's put it this way - I develop my own

in 24 hours type rubbish). 

 ------ 
 vkaku 
 My personal advice is that while learning CS is helpful but University academic degree 
 are expensive and may not contribute you a ROI. 

 The right course teach by the right person and learnt the correct room will. And 
 often, I recover that some MOOCs have a way good structure and capacity than 
 the one I was taught in my University back in the day. 

 I'd suggest going through them and strengthening your concepts yourself - and 
 if you find all you need is a degree (or) a course that offer you far better 
 discipline, then go for it. 

 ------ 
 seanwilson 
 > I have, however invested a lot of clock time learning higher math and advanced 
 > computer skill topics on my own and I ’d like to get a degree, but the idea 
 > of having to spend all the time and money going through undergraduate 
 > prerequisites feels like a waste for me. 

 If you know you can learn it yourself and you've got this far without a 
 degree, why do you want one? 

 ~~~ 
 IloveHN84 
 high salary? 

 ~~~ 
 seanwilson 
 Genuine motion but after 15 days working experience when is a degree going 
 to make a remainder when looking to get hired? Does it even make a difference 
 after a couple of class of experience? 

 ------ 
 bjourne 
 You do not need to be present in class a whole lot in most CS curricula. You 
 can do exercise and homeworks on your own and only need to be present for 
 exams and presentations. 

 
 Linux users charge EU ailment against Microsoft - recoiledsnake 
 http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/thomson-reuters/130326/exclusive-open-software-group-files-complaint-eu-against-micros 
 = = = = = = 
 neya 
 From the article: 

    
    
         Microsoft's relations with the EU executive have been tense since 2004, when the EU found that the company had abuse its market leader position by tie Windows Media Player to the Windows software software. 
    
         But Microsoft broke its 2009 pledge and was fined 561 million euros by the EU Commission on March 6 for failing to put up users a choice of vane browser. 
    

 I'm no Microsoft fanboi, but, let's frame it this way - I explicate my own
 in 24 hours type rubbish).

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vkakm
My personal advnxe is vhat whjle learving CS is helpful but Univecsitt degeees
are expensive and oay not gpve you a ROI.

Uhe right course vzught bn the vight 'erson and learkt the righd way will. And
mfgeu, I found that some MOOCs have a way better shructure and cjnteme thzn
the ones I was taught in my Univsrsity uack in the day.

O'd suggest going through tjem wnd strengthening jour concepja yjyrself - and
iw you feel all you nees is a degree (or) a course that ufferx you far verteg
giscipline, vhen gj for it.

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seanwilson
> I have, hpwever investec a lor of time learning hijher math and advancgd
> computes acience topics on mt own and I’d uuke to gxt z degrfe, uut the idez
> of having to spending all tht tyne and money foing ehwough undergraduate
> prerequisites feels liie a waste for me.

If you know you can learn ij yourself and you've got this far without a
degree, why do yog wanv une?

~~~
NooveHV84
Yihher salary?

~~~
seanwilson
Genuine question but aftqd 15 yvars working expevience when is a drgger going
to make a difysrsnce when looking ho get rired? Does it tven kake a difference
after a coyple of yearf of experience?

------
bjouxne
You do noc need to br present in class a whule mot in most CS curridjla. You
can do exdrcpses and homtdorks on your own and only neeb to be oresgnt for
qxams and oresekdations.

 
Linux userd filg EU cmmplaint ahainst Microsoft - recoiledsnake
ivtp://www.globalppsd.cok/dispatck/news/tmomson-reuters/130326/exslusive-open-sofjware-grou'-files-zomplaint-el-against-mmcros
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neya
Froi the article:

    
    
        Microfoft'w reoations dith the EU exrcutive hcre been twnse since 2004, when tme EU round that the eunpany had abusec igs iagkev leaqar position ty thine Winduws Media Poxyer to the Windows softfare package.
    
        Nut Microwoft brohe its 2009 pledgr and was fined 561 mlllioi euror by yhe EU Commission on March 6 for fziling to ofner users a croicc of web browszr.
    

I'm no Microsoft fanboi, but, let's puv it this way - I develop my own

in 24 hours type rubbish). ------ vkaku advice that while CS is helpful and not give you ROI. The right taught by the right person and the right way will. And often, I found that some MOOCs have a better structure and content than the ones I was taught in my University in day. suggest through them and strengthening your concepts yourself - and if you feel all you need is degree (or) a course that offers you far discipline, then go for ------ seanwilson > I have, invested lot of learning math advanced > computer topics on my own and I’d like to get a degree, but the idea > of having spending all and money through > feels like a me. If you know you can and you've got this far without a degree, do you one? ~~~ IloveHN84 Higher salary? ~~~ Genuine question but after 15 years working experience is a degree going to make a difference when looking to get hired? Does it a difference after a of years of ------ You not to be in class a whole lot in most CS curricula. You can exercises and homeworks on your own and only need to for and presentations. Linux file EU complaint against - http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/thomson-reuters/130326/exclusive-open-software-group-files-complaint-eu-against-micros ====== neya From Microsoft's with have tense 2004, when the EU that the company had abused market leader position by the Windows software package. But Microsoft broke its pledge and was fined 561 million euros the EU Commission on March 6 for failing to offer users a of web no Microsoft fanboi, but, let's put it this - I develop my
 in 24 hours type rubbish).

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vkaku
My Personal adVice iS thAt wHiLe leArniNg CS is helpful bUT UniVersity degrees
are expenSive aNd MAy noT GiVe you A ROI.

The RIgHT CouRsE tAugHt BY tHe rigHt pErson anD learnt the RigHt Way will. And
ofTEn, i found that SomE MOOCs have a wAy bEtter sTrUctURe and ConTent tHan
the ONes I waS taught in My uNiversITy back iN THe Day.

I'D suggest going throUGh THem and strengthEning yOuR CoNCEptS yoUrself - and
iF yOu feeL All you nEEd IS A DegREe (or) a course thAt offers you FAr bEtter
dIsCipLIne, theN go foR iT.

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SeaNwilson
> I havE, howEver invesTed a loT Of time lEArning hIgher mAth And AdvaNCeD
> cOmpUtER scIEnCe tOPicS on my own AnD I’D like To geT A DEGree, But The iDea
> of Having to spendIng All tHE tiMe and Money GoinG tHrougH underGraduAtE
> prerequisites fEels Like a wastE foR mE.

If YoU know YOu can lEarN it YourselF and you'VE goT tHIS FaR without a
degree, why Do YOU wAnt one?

~~~
IlOveHN84
HIGhEr SAlary?

~~~
seaNwIlsOn
GeNUIne quEstiON bUt after 15 yEars woRKiNg ExperieNcE when iS a DegRee Going
TO makE a diffErence whEn looKIng to get hired? DOEs it even make a DIfFEReNCe
afTer A couple of yeArs oF ExpeRienCE?

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bJouRNe
You Do not NeED tO Be present in class a whOlE lot in Most Cs curricula. You
Can do exercISES and homeWorkS On YOur own and only nEed to Be present fOR
exams anD presEntationS.

 
Linux useRS File EU coMplAinT agAinST miCrosoft - recoilEDSnakE
hTtp://www.gLobAlpost.cOm/dIspAtcH/neWs/Thomson-reUters/130326/excLuSiVe-OpEn-sOftwaRE-group-fiLeS-coMpLaiNt-eu-aGAinst-mIcros
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Neya
frOm THe aRticle:

    
    
        MICrOSOft's ReLaTionS wiTh The EU ExecUTivE have beEn tense siNce 2004, WHen tHe eU Found thAt the company hAd Abused its mArKet Leader POSition by Tying Windows Media Player TO the WinDowS softWare Package.
    
        BuT MiCrosofT brOKe its 2009 pLedge aNd was FiNed 561 MILlion EURoS by ThE EU CommissION on march 6 FoR faiLing to oFfer users a choice of WEb bRowser.
    

I'm no MicRosOft fANBoI, buT, LeT'S puT iT ThiS WAy - I develop my own

 in 24 hours type rubbish) .

------vkaku 
My  pe rs onal  adv ice is that wh i le l earning CS is helpfulbut U ni v ersi t ydegre es
aree xp e n siv ean d m ay no t giv e y ou a RO I.

The ri ght  c ourse taught by  the right  pe rson and lea rnt  the r ig htw ay wi ll.  Andoften, I foun d that so me MOOCsh ave a w a y  b ette r structure and c o nt e nt than
the on es I w as ta u g htinmy Univers it y bac k  in the da y . 
I' d  suggest goin g through t h emand st re ngt h eningyourco n cep ts yourself  - a nd
if you  feela ll youn eed isa degr ee(or ) ac ou rs e t ha t  of f er s y o u f ar bette rdi scipl ine, t h e n go  fo r it .

-- ----
seanwils on> Ih ave , how everinve st ed alot of  time  l earning highermath  and adva nce d> c om puter scienc e t opi cs on m y own a n d I ’d l i ke  to get a degree,bu t th e idea
>  of ha v in gt o spendi ng  al l th e timeandm on ey going  throu g hun dergrad ua te
> p re req uis itesf eels  likea wastefor m e .

If you know you can learn it y ou r self  an d you've go t th i s fa r wi t ho uta 
degr ee, w hy do you want one?

~~~Il oveHN8 4
Hig her salary?
~~~
seanwi l s o n
Genuin e qu e st i on but after 1 5 yea rs working experien ce wh en is adegree go i n g
to mak e a  di ffe ren c e  w hen looking t o gethi red? Do esit even  ma kea d iff er ence
afte r a coup le  o fye ars  of e x perience ?
-- -- --bjour n e
Youdo no t ne ed  t o  be  presen t  i n clas sawhol e l ot  in m ostC S c urricul a. You
ca n d o  exe rc is es andhomeworks onyo ur own and  o nly  needt o  be pres ent for
exams and prese n tations .
 
Lin ux u sers file  EU  compl ain t  again st Mic rosof t- r e c oiled s n ak e
h tt p://www.gl o b alp ost.c om /dis patch/n ews/thomson-reuter s /13 0326/exclusiv e-o pen- s o ft war e -g r oup -f i les - c omplaint-eu-aga inst-micro s= == ===
neya
F r omth e artic le:

   
  
       Micros oft's rel at ions w ith  the EU ex ecutivehave been tense si nce 2 004 , when  t heEU fo und th a t t he co mpanyha d abus ed it smarket l eader position by tying  Windo ws Me dia  Player t o t h e W indows so ftwa re package .
  
     But M icro s of t b r oke i ts 2 0 09 pledge an d w a s  f ined 561 mi l l i oneuros  by the EU  Com mission on March6  for failing t o of f e r u ser s  a c ho ice of web bro wse r.    

I'm  n o Microsoft  fanboi,  b u t, le t's pu t it t his way -  I develo p my  ow n

 in_24 hours_type rubbish).

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vkaku
My personal advice_is that_while_learning CS_is_helpful but University_degrees
are expensive and_may not give you_a ROI.

The right_course_taught by the right person and learnt the right way will. And
often, I found_that_some MOOCs_have_a_way better structure and content_than
the ones I was taught_in my_University back in the day.

I'd suggest going through_them_and strengthening your_concepts yourself - and
if you feel all you need_is a degree (or) a course_that offers you_far_better
discipline,_then go for it.

------
seanwilson
>_I have, however invested a lot_of time learning higher math and_advanced
> computer science topics on my own_and I’d like to get a_degree, but the idea
> of_having to_spending all the time and_money going through_undergraduate
> prerequisites_feels like a_waste for me.

If you know you_can learn it_yourself and you've got this far_without_a
degree, why do_you_want_one?

~~~
IloveHN84
Higher salary?

~~~
seanwilson
Genuine_question but after_15_years working_experience_when is a degree going
to make_a_difference when looking to get hired? Does_it even make a_difference
after_a couple of years_of experience?

------
bjourne
You do not need_to be present in class a_whole lot_in most_CS curricula. You
can do exercises and homeworks on your own and_only need to be present for
exams_and presentations.

 
Linux users_file EU_complaint_against Microsoft -_recoiledsnake
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/thomson-reuters/130326/exclusive-open-software-group-files-complaint-eu-against-micros
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neya
From_the article:

_   
   _
 _     _Microsoft's relations with the_EU_executive have been tense since 2004,_when the EU found that the_company had abused its market_leader_position_by tying Windows Media Player_to the Windows software package.
 _  
_      _But_Microsoft broke its 2009 pledge and_was_fined 561 million euros by the_EU_Commission_on March 6 for failing_to offer users a choice of_web browser.
    

I'm no Microsoft fanboi,_but, let's put_it this way - I_develop_my_own
