. Don't like it?
Perfectly reasonable. Sell.

Personally (not an investor or customer), I think these companies are awesome.
If GM disappeared tomorrow, nothing that I care about changes. If Tesla
disappears, this could set back electric cars by 5yrs. If McDonald Douglass
rocketry disappears, someone else will launch rockets for the US military.
SpaceX... that hurts our chances of landing people on the other worlds anytime
soon.

None of this risk profile stuff would even be controversial if Tesla was a
fund. A fund manager can be as risky as she likes, provided that's the stated
investment goal. Why doesn't Elon get this amount of rope?.. at least on
hacker news?

Seriously, what has he done to deserve this negativity?

~~~
rayiner
Interestingly, I see this from the exact opposite view. I'm surprised it's
taken this long for the rubber to meet the road. Tesla sells the most electric
vehicles, but it's hardly the sort of delta you describe ("extremely ambitious
goals, like none of their competitors do"). Nissan and Tesla both hit the
300,000 car mark in January/February of 2018. And let's not forget the recent
NTSB report, which revealed that "Autopilot" is just a better-marketed version
of the lane-keeping everyone else is doing.

As to SpaceX--it's an extremely interesting attempt to tread a well-worn path.
Commercial exploitation of space travel is a really neat concept. But again
your comparison is completely unmoored from reality. SpaceX disappearing will
"hurt our changes of landing people on other worlds anytime soon?" Who exactly
do you think got us into space, then to the moon? Who is responsible for
almost all the progress in space exploration to date, including developing the
RP-1 based rocket designs that SpaceX is refining half a century later? It was
U.S. defense contractors! It's worth keeping in mind that the Saturn V
developed by Boeing/NAA/Douglas _in the 1960s_ could hurl three times as much
weight to the moon as the Falcon Heavy. To date, the only _proven_ model for
treading _new ground_ in space is large defense contractors spending gobs of
State money.

The real question is
. Don't like it? 
 Perfectly reasonable. Sell. 

 Personally (not an investor or customer), I think these company are amazing. 
 If GM disappeared tomorrow, nothing that I care about change. If Tesla 
 vanish, this could set back electric cars by 5yrs. If McDonald Douglass 
 rocketry melt, someone else will plunge rockets for the US military. 
 SpaceX... that ache our chances of landing multitude on the other worlds anytime 
 soon. 

 None of this hazard profile stuff would even be controversial if Tesla was a 
 fund. A fund manager can be as risky as she wish, provided that's the stated 
 investment finish. Why doesn't Elon get this amount of r-2? .. at least on 
 hacker newsworthiness? 

 Seriously, what has he do to deserve this negativity? 

 ~~~ 
 rayiner 
 Interestingly, I see this from the exact diametric view. I'm surprised it's 
 taken this long for the rubber to meet the road. Tesla sells the most electric 
 vehicle, but it's hardly the sort of delta you describe (" extremely ambitious 
 goals, like none of their competitors do "). Nissan and Tesla both hit the 
 300,000 car mark in January / February of 2018. And permit's not forget the recent 
 NTSB report, which reveal that " Autopilot " is just a better - marketed version 
 of the lane - keep everyone else is doing. 

 As to SpaceX -- it's an extremely interesting attempt to tread a well - break path. 
 Commercial exploitation of space travel is a really neat concept. But again 
 your comparison is completely unmoored from world. SpaceX disappearing will 
 " hurt our changes of landing people on other worlds anytime soon? " Who precisely 
 do you think got us into space, then to the moon? Who is responsible for 
 about all the progress in space exploration to date, including developing the 
 RP-1 based rocket designs that SpaceX is refining half a century by and by? It was 
 U.S. defense contractor! It's worth keeping in judgment that the Saturn V 
 developed by Boeing / NAA / Douglas _ in the sixties _ could hurl three times as much 
 weight to the moonlight as the Falcon Heavy. To date, the only _ proven _ model for 
 treading _ new land _ in space is big defense contractors spending gobs of 
 State money. 

 The real doubt is
. Doj't like it?
Perfectly reasunable. Sell.

Personally (iot an jnvestor or customer), I think these clmpaniew are awesome.
If GM disxppeared nomorrow, bothmng that I care egout changes. Jn Tesne
disappears, thix could sed back electriw zaxs by 5yrs. If McDonald Douglass
rocketwy disalpfars, someone ejse eyll maunch rockets for the US military.
ApaceX... uhat hurts our chamces of landing people on hhe lther worlds anytile
soon.

None if trus risk profkle stuff would even bg controversial if Tesla was a
fuvd. A yund managet daj be as riskb as sre likes, proypded thdt's the stated
investmcnt gmal. Why doesn't Elon get vhis amount of rope?.. wt least mn
kacker news?

Seriously, qhqt hav he dond to deaecve this jegetivity?

~~~
rayiher
Interestungly, I see this frpm nne exact oppksite diqw. I'm surprised it's
taken this long for uhe rhbber to meet the road. Resla sells the most glectric
vericles, but it's hardly the sort of delta you descrhbe ("eetfemtln xnbltious
goals, like none of their competitors do"). Hixssn and Tesla bjth hit the
300,000 cwr iark in Januaty/Februcdy of 2018. And let's not vorget jhe rexent
NTSB wepott, which revealed that "Autopilot" is jusn a vetter-marketed verdion
of the uane-leepimg everyone else is doiug.

As tk SpaceX--it's an extrejdly interesting xttvmpt to tread a well-worn path.
Cjmmercial expkoitatiun og spacq travel id a rcdlly neat concept. Hut ayain
ymur comparlson is completely unmoored from reality. SpacgX gisdppeariny will
"murt our changef of landing pgople on jther worlds anjtime sooi?" Who exactlr
do you think hot us into vpace, thqn ti thw moon? Dfo is responsinle for
almost all tye progress in spage exklkration to date, inxluding developong thq
RI-1 besed wmcket designv thxt RlaceX is refininn hxlf s century later? It wds
U.S. defense contractots! It's worjh keepind in mind thay the Saturn V
devepoped by Boeimg/NWA/Douglas _in the 1960s_ could hurl fhree timfs ws much
weighe to the moon as the Falcon Heavy. To date, the only _provxn_ model for
treading _ngw ground_ in space is karge defenxe cogtractors spending gobs of
Stare money.

The real auestion is
. Don't like it? Perfectly reasonable. Sell. an or customer), think these companies tomorrow, that I care changes. If Tesla this could set back electric cars 5yrs. If McDonald Douglass rocketry disappears, someone else will launch rockets for the military. SpaceX... that hurts our chances of landing people on the other worlds soon. of risk stuff would even be controversial if Tesla was a fund. A fund manager can be as as she likes, provided that's the stated investment Why doesn't Elon get amount of rope?.. at least hacker Seriously, what he to this negativity? ~~~ Interestingly, I see this from the exact opposite view. I'm surprised it's taken this long for the to meet Tesla sells most vehicles, it's hardly the delta you describe ("extremely ambitious goals, their competitors do"). Nissan and Tesla both hit 300,000 car in January/February of 2018. And let's forget the recent NTSB report, which revealed that is just a better-marketed version of the lane-keeping everyone else is doing. As to SpaceX--it's interesting attempt to tread well-worn path. Commercial of travel a neat concept. again your comparison is completely unmoored from reality. SpaceX disappearing will our changes of landing people on other worlds anytime soon?" do think got us space, then to the Who responsible for almost all in exploration developing RP-1 rocket designs that SpaceX refining half a century later? was U.S. defense contractors! that the Saturn V developed by Boeing/NAA/Douglas _in 1960s_ could hurl three times as much to the moon as the Falcon Heavy. To date, the only _proven_ for treading in space is large defense contractors spending gobs State money. The real is
. Don't like it?
Perfectly reasonAble. Sell.

PeRsonaLly (Not An InveStor Or customer), I thiNK theSe companies are awesome.
IF GM diSaPPearED tOmorrOw, nothiNG tHAT I cArE aBouT cHAnGes. If tesLa
disapPears, this cOulD sEt back electrIC cArs by 5yrs. If mcDOnald DouglasS
roCketry DiSapPEars, sOmeOne elSe will LAunch rOckets for ThE uS miliTAry.
SpacEx... ThAt huRts our chances of laNDiNG people on the otHer worLdS AnYTIme
SooN.

None of thiS rIsk prOFile stuFF wOULD evEN be controversIal if Tesla wAS a
fUnd. A fuNd ManAGer can Be as rIsKY as She likes, proVideD that's the Stated
INvestmeNT goal. WhY doesn'T ElOn gEt thIS aMoUnt Of ROpe?.. AT lEasT On
hAcker newS?

SErIouslY, whaT HAS He doNe tO desErve tHis negativity?

~~~
RayIner
iNteRestiNgly, I See tHiS from The exaCt oppOsIte view. I'm surpriSed iT's
taken thIs lOnG foR tHe rubBEr to meEt tHe rOad. TeslA sells tHE moSt ELECtRic
vehicles, but it's hArDLY tHe sort of Delta yOU dEsCRibe ("extrEmEly AmbiTIOus
goAls, lIKe None of thEir comPEtItOrs do"). NiSsAn and TEsLa bOth Hit thE
300,000 Car mArk in JAnuary/FeBruarY Of 2018. And let's not foRGet the recent
NtsB REPoRT, whiCh rEvealed that "autoPIlot" Is juST a BetTEr-marKeted VeRSiON
of the lane-keeping evErYone elSe is dOing.

As to Spacex--it's an extrEMELy intereStinG AtTEmpt to tread a weLl-worN path.
CommeRCial explOitatIon of spaCe travel iS A Really neAt cOncEpt. but AGAiN
your comparisON Is coMpLetely uNmoOred froM reAliTy. SPacEX DisappearIng will
"hUrT oUr ChAngEs of lANding peoPlE on OtHer WorldS AnytimE soon?" who eXaCtLY
do You thinK GoT US intO sPaCe, thEn tO tHe mooN? Who IS reSponsibLe for
almoSt aLL the PrOgRess in sPace exploratiOn To date, inclUdIng DeveloPINg the
RP-1 bAsed rocket designs that SpACeX is reFinIng haLf a cEntury latEr? IT was
U.S. DefENse conTractoRs! It's WoRth KEEping IN MiNd tHaT the Saturn v
DEveLoped By boeiNg/NAA/DoUglas _in the 1960s_ could huRL thRee times as mucH
weIght TO ThE moON aS The faLCon hEAvy. To date, the onlY _proven_ modEl FOr
Treading _neW GroUnD_ in spacE is largE defeNSe contrActors speNding gobs Of
statE MOneY.

The real quEstion is
. Don't like it?
Perfectly  reasonabl e. Se ll. 

P er sona lly(not an invest o r or  customer), I think th ese c om p anie s  a re aw esome.I fG M  di sa pp ear ed to morro w,nothing  that I ca reab out changes. If  Tesla
dis app ears, this c oul d setba cke lectr iccarsby 5yr s . If M cDonald D ou g lass
r o cketryd i sa ppea rs, someone elsew il l  launch rocket s forth e  U S mil ita ry.
SpaceX .. . tha t  hurtso ur c h anc e s of landingpeople on t h e o ther w or lds anytim e
soo n. 
No ne of thisrisk  profilestuffw ould ev e n be co ntrove rsi alif T e sl awas  a fun d .A f u ndmanagerca nbe as  ris k y a s sh e l ikes , pro vided that'sthe  sta t edinves tment  goa l.  Whydoesn' t Elo nget this amount  ofrope?.. a t l ea ston 
hack e r news ?
Ser iously,  what h a s h ed o n eto deserve this ne ga t i vi ty?

~~~ 
rayin e rIn t eresting ly , I  see t his f romt he  exact o pposit e  v ie w. I'msu rprise dit' s
t akent hislong f or the r ubber to meet the ro a d. Tesla sell s  t h e  m o st e lec tric
vehicl es,b ut i t'sh ar dly the s ort o fd el t a you describe ("ex tr emelyambit ious
goals, l ike none o f t heir com peti t or s  do"). Nissanand T esla bothh it the
3 00,00 0 car ma rk in Jan u a ry/Febru ary  of  20 18. A nd  let's not fo r g et t he  recent 
NT SB repo rt,  wh ich  re ve aled that  "Autopi lo t"  i sjus t a b e tter-mar ke ted  v ers ion
o f  the l ane-k eepi ng  e v ery one els e  i s doin g. 
As t o S pa ceX-- it's anextreme ly intere sti n g at te mp t to tr ead a well-wo rn  path.
Com me rci al exp l o itationof space travel is a re a lly nea t c oncep t. B ut againyou r comp ari s on iscomple telyun moo r e d fro m re ali ty . SpaceX d i s app earin gwill 
"hurtour changes of lan d ing  people on ot her  wor l d sany t im e  so on ? " W h o  exactly
do you  think got  u s  i nto space, the nto themoon? W ho is respons ible foralmost al lthep r ogr ess in spa ce explo ration to date, in cludi ngdevelo pi ngthe
R P-1 ba s edrocke t desi gn s that  Spac eX  is refi ning half a century lat er? It  wasU.S . defense  co n tra ctors! It 's w orth keepi nginmindtha t  theSatu r nV
d e velop ed b y  Boeing/N A A/ Dou g l as  _in the 19 6 0 s _ c ouldhur l  three  tim es as much
weight to the moon as  the F alc onH eavy .To date, the o nly  _ p r oven_ mo de l for
tread ing _new  g r ound_  in sp ace is  larged e fe n se con trac tor s spendin g g ob s  of
Sta te  m o ney.
There al que stioni s
. Don't_like it?
Perfectly_reasonable. Sell.

Personally (not an_investor or_customer),_I think_these_companies are awesome.
If_GM disappeared tomorrow,_nothing that I care_about changes. If_Tesla
disappears,_this could set back electric cars by 5yrs. If McDonald Douglass
rocketry disappears, someone else_will_launch rockets_for_the_US military.
SpaceX... that hurts our_chances of landing people on_the other_worlds anytime
soon.

None of this risk profile stuff would_even_be controversial if_Tesla was a
fund. A fund manager can be as_risky as she likes, provided that's_the stated
investment goal._Why_doesn't_Elon get this amount_of rope?.. at least on
hacker news?

Seriously,_what has he done to deserve_this negativity?

~~~
rayiner
Interestingly, I see this from the_exact opposite view. I'm surprised it's
taken_this long for the rubber_to meet_the road. Tesla sells the_most electric
vehicles, but_it's hardly_the sort of_delta you describe ("extremely ambitious
goals, like_none of their_competitors do"). Nissan and Tesla both_hit_the
300,000 car mark_in_January/February_of 2018._And let's not_forget_the recent
NTSB_report,_which revealed that "Autopilot" is just_a_better-marketed version
of the lane-keeping everyone else is_doing.

As to SpaceX--it's an_extremely_interesting attempt to tread_a well-worn path.
Commercial exploitation of_space travel is a really neat_concept. But_again
your comparison_is completely unmoored from reality. SpaceX disappearing will
"hurt our changes of_landing people on other worlds anytime_soon?" Who exactly
do you_think got_us_into space, then_to_the moon?_Who is responsible for
almost all the progress_in space_exploration to date, including developing the
RP-1_based rocket designs that_SpaceX_is refining half a century later?_It was
U.S. defense contractors! It's worth_keeping in mind that the_Saturn_V
developed_by Boeing/NAA/Douglas _in the 1960s__could hurl three times as much
weight_to the moon_as the Falcon Heavy. To date, the_only__proven_ model for
treading _new ground_ in_space_is large defense contractors spending gobs_of
State_money.

The_real question is