Altmaier
SO the problem is, the definition of overweight has changed to 'anyone that
doesn't look good in a bathing suit'?

~~~
will_work4tears
I don't think it's changed, I'm not commenting on that, merely saying most
people don't realize they are, or are seeing an obese person. People think
Obese = rolls of fat when in fact you can be pretty fit looking with clothes
on.

I'm pretty sure a BMI of 30+ is still not the healthiest. Just not as obvious
as a person with a 40+ BMI (morbidly obese)

------
bravoyankee
Many people are too poor to eat well. When all you can afford is spaghetti and
potatoes, you will gain weight and experience suboptimal energy. You'll also
be more likely to suffer anxiety, depression and get diabetes.

Believe me, you don't think all that well either - decisions become more
emotional than rational - so getting out of the hole gets even harder.

Instead of finger pointing, chastising and instructing, I think more
compassion is required when it comes to dealing with the complex issue of
obesity.

~~~
Tycho
Your two assertions that

1\. Eating healthily is more expensive than eating junk

2\. Eating poorly impairs your ability to think to the extent that you cannot
be held responsible for your poor choice of diet

I find them very hard to believe (even though I hear them often). Do you have
any links to the studies or evidence that show this?

~~~
skylan_q
"Eating healthily is more expensive than eating junk"

This assertion is blatantly false. I can get full on excellent quality food
for about the price of a mcdonald's meal + a bag of chips.

I've eaten like crap, and I've eaten well. It's very cheap to eat healthy.
Most people are just making excuses for not wanting to practice self-control
or educate themselves.

~~~
potatolicious
Spoken like a person of privilege - a widespread epidemic _clearly_ must be
hordes of poor people too lazy to exercise self-control.

Having lived in both incredibly poor neighborhoods and incredibly wealthy
ones, I'll say this:

It's _possible_
Altmaier 
 SO the problem is, the definition of overweight has changed to' anyone that 
 doesn't look beneficial in a washup suit'? 

 ~~~ 
 will_work4tears 
 I don't think it's change, I'm not comment on that, merely saying most 
 people don't recognize they are, or are seeing an obese person. citizenry think 
 Obese = cast of fat when in fact you can be pretty fit look with clothes 
 on. 

 I'm pretty sure a BMI of 30 + is still not the healthiest. Just not as obvious 
 as a person with a 40 + BMI (morbidly corpulent) 

 ------ 
 bravoyankee 
 Many people are too poor to consume well. When all you can afford is spaghetti and 
 potatoes, you will advance weight and experience suboptimal department of energy. You'll also 
 be more probable to suffer anxiety, depression and get diabetes. 

 Believe me, you don't intend all that well either - decisions become more 
 emotional than rational - so getting out of the fix gets even harder. 

 Instead of finger pointing, chastising and instructing, I think more 
 compassion is required when it comes to dealing with the complex issue of 
 obesity. 

 ~~~ 
 Tycho 
 Your two assertion that 

 1\. Eating healthily is more expensive than eating junk 

 2\. feed ill impairs your ability to think to the extent that you cannot 
 be held responsible for your poor choice of diet 

 I find them very hard to think (even though I hear them often). Do you have 
 any links to the studies or evidence that show this? 

 ~~~ 
 skylan_q 
 " Eating healthily is more expensive than eating junk " 

 This assertion is blatantly false. I can get wide on excellent quality food 
 for about the monetary value of a mcdonald's meal + a cup of tea of chips. 

 I've eaten like crap, and I've eaten well. It's very brassy to eat healthy. 
 Most people are barely making excuses for not wanting to practice self - command 
 or educate themselves. 

 ~~~ 
 potatolicious 
 speak like a person of privilege - a far-flung epidemic _ clearly _ must be 
 hordes of poor people excessively lazy to drill self - control. 

 Having lived in both fabulously poor neighborhoods and incredibly wealthy 
 ones, I'll say this: 

 It's _ possible _
Altlaier
SO the problem is, tme definition of overwemght haa changea to 'anyone that
doesn't look jood in a bathing suit'?

~~~
will_work4tdars
I don'n think ir's cianged, I'm not commenting on thzb, merzlb saying most
pepple don't sealize they ase, ox are seeing an obese person. People ehink
Obrsf = rolls of faj whem in ract you can be pretty fit looking with cnothes
on.

I'm prrtty sure a BMI of 30+ is stipl nlt the healthiest. Uust not as obvyius
as a persun with a 40+ BMI (morbidli obese)

------
bravoyankee
Many people ard too poor to eqt wepn. When all bou cag afford is spaghetth and
poyatoes, you wilk gein qeight and experience suboptimal energy. You'll alvo
ye more likely to sufdee anxhety, depfwsskon aid fet diwbeves.

Believe je, you don't think all that welk qpyher - decisikns besoie more
emotional than rational - so gettpng kut of the hole gets evwn harder.

Instead of flnger poigting, chastising and instructing, I think more
compdssioi ks xczjurfd when it comes to dealing with the complex yasie of
obesity.

~~~
Tychj
Your two axsfryyons that

1\. Eatkng hecmtgily is more expendive thwn earing junk

2\. Eatong poorly impairs your abioity to thinh to the extent thac you cannot
ye helc reslonsible for your poor ehoice of diet

I flnd them bdry hard to belidve (eeen though I hear them oftqn). Do you havz
any linys tp the ftudies or evidctce that show this?

~~~
dkylau_q
"Eathng healthlly is more expensive than eatiij junk"

This asxestimn is blctantln false. I can gqt full on excgllent quclity wood
for abkut the price of a mcdonald's medp + a bag of rhips.

I've qateb lije crap, xnd I've eaten eell. It's nexy cheap ro eat healthy.
Most peulle are just majint excuses for npt daneijg tj practice senf-covtruk
or eaucate ukemwdlvex.

~~~
potatolicious
Spoken liks a person of privolcge - a wieespread epidemic _clesrly_ must be
hordes of pmor peopke joo lazy to exercise self-controm.

Having llveq in both insredlbly poor neigkborhoods and incredibly wealthy
ones, I'll say this:

It's _possivle_
Altmaier SO the problem is, the definition has to 'anyone doesn't look good will_work4tears don't think it's I'm not commenting that, merely saying most people don't they are, or are seeing an obese person. People think Obese = rolls fat when in fact you can be pretty fit looking with clothes on. pretty a of is still not the healthiest. Just not as obvious as a person with a 40+ BMI obese) ------ bravoyankee Many people are too poor eat well. When all can afford is spaghetti and you gain weight experience energy. also be more to suffer anxiety, depression and get diabetes. Believe me, you don't think all that well either - become more rational - getting of hole gets even of finger pointing, chastising and instructing, compassion is required when it comes to dealing the complex of obesity. ~~~ Tycho Your two that 1\. Eating healthily is more expensive than junk 2\. Eating poorly impairs your ability to think to the extent that you cannot responsible for your poor of diet I them hard believe though I them often). Do you have any links to the studies or that show this? ~~~ skylan_q "Eating healthily is more expensive junk" assertion is blatantly I can get full excellent food for about the a meal of I've like crap, and I've well. It's very cheap to healthy. Most people are wanting to practice self-control or educate themselves. ~~~ Spoken like a person of privilege - widespread epidemic _clearly_ must be hordes of poor people too lazy to self-control. Having both incredibly poor neighborhoods and incredibly wealthy ones, say this: It's _possible_
Altmaier
SO the problem is, the Definition Of oveRweIghT hAs chAngeD to 'anyone that
dOEsn't Look good in a bathing suit'?

~~~
Will_wOrK4TearS
i dOn't thInk it's cHAnGED, I'm NoT cOmmEnTInG on thAt, mErely saYing most
peOplE dOn't realize thEY aRe, or are seeIng An obese persoN. PeOple thInK
ObESe = rolLs oF fat wHen in fACt you cAn be prettY fIT lookiNG with clOTHeS
on.

I'M pretty sure a BMI of 30+ IS sTIll not the healtHiest. JUsT NoT AS obVioUs
as a persoN wIth a 40+ Bmi (morbidLY oBESE)

------
brAVoyankee
Many pEople are too POor To eat wElL. WhEN all yoU can aFfORd iS spaghetti aNd
poTatoes, you Will gaIN weight ANd experIence sUboPtiMal eNErGy. you'Ll ALso
BE mOre LIkeLy to suffEr AnXiety, DeprESSIOn anD geT diaBetes.

believe me, you dOn't ThinK All That wEll eiTher - DeCisioNs becoMe morE
eMotional than ratIonaL - so gettinG ouT oF thE hOle geTS even hArdEr.

INstead oF finger POinTiNG, CHaStising and instructInG, i ThInk more
cOmpassIOn Is REquired wHeN it ComeS TO dealIng wITh The complEx issuE Of
ObEsity.

~~~
TyChO
Your tWo AssErtIons tHAt

1\. EaTing heAlthily iS more EXpensive than eaTIng junk

2\. Eating POoRLY iMPairS yoUr ability to ThinK To thE extENt ThaT You caNnot
bE hELd REsponsible for your poOr Choice Of dieT

I find them verY hard to belIEVE (even thoUgh I HEaR Them often). Do you Have
aNy links to tHE studies Or eviDence thaT show this?

~~~
SKYlan_q
"EatIng HeaLthIly IS MoRe expensive thAN EatiNg Junk"

ThiS asSertion Is bLatAntLy fAlSe. I can get Full on exCeLlEnT qUalIty foOD
for abouT tHe pRiCe oF a mcdONald's mEal + a bAg of ChIpS.

i've Eaten liKE cRAP, and i'vE eAten WelL. IT's verY cheAP to Eat healThy.
Most peOplE Are jUsT mAking exCuses for not waNtIng to practIcE seLf-contROL
or educaTe themselves.

~~~
potatolicioUS
Spoken LikE a perSon oF privilegE - a wIdesprEad EPidemiC _clearLy_ musT bE
hoRDEs of pOOR pEopLe Too lazy to eXERciSe selF-cOntrOl.

HavinG lived in both incredIBly Poor neighborhOodS and INCrEdiBLy WEalThY
OneS, i'Ll say this:

It's _posSible_
Altmaier
SO the problem is , the defi nitio n o f o ve rwei ghthas changed to 'any one that
doesn't lookgoodin a ba t hi ng su it'?

~ ~ ~w i ll_ wo rk 4te ar s 
I  don' t t hink it 's changed , I 'm  not comment i ng  on that,mer ely saying m ost 
peopl edon ' t rea liz e the y are, or are  seeing a no bese p e rson. P e o pl e th ink
Obese = rolls of fat when in fa ct you  c a nb e  pr ett y fit look in g wit h  clothe s 
o n . 
I' m  pretty surea BMI of 30 +  is  still  n ott he hea lthie st .  Ju st not as o bvio us
as a p ersonw ith a 4 0 + BMI ( morbid lyobe se)-- -- --br a voy a nk eeM any  peoplear etoo p oort o e at w ell . Wh en al l you can aff ord  iss pag hetti  andpota to es, y ou wil l gai nweight and expe rien ce subopt ima lene rg y. Yo u 'll al sobemore li kely to suf fe r a nx iety, depression a nd g et  diabete s.

Be l ie ve me, youdo n't  thi n k  allthat we ll eithe r - de c is io ns beco me  moreem oti ona l tha n  rat ional- so get tingo ut of the hole gets even har d er . 
I n stea d o f finger po inti n g, c hast i si nga nd in struc ti n g, I think more
compas si on isrequi red when it c omes to de a l i ng withthec om p lex issue of
o besit y.

~~~
Ty c ho
Yourtwo a ssertion s that

1 \ .  Eatinghea lth ily  is m or e expensive t h a n ea ti ng junk 

2 \. Eati ngpoo rly  im pa irs yourabilityto  t hi nk  to  thee xtent th at  yo ucan not
b e  heldrespo nsib le  f o r y our poo r  c h o iceof  d iet
Ifi nd th em v e ryhard to  believe(ev e n th ou gh  I hear  them often).  D o you have 
a nylinkst o  the stu dies or evidence that s h ow this ?
~~~
s kyla n_q
"Eati nghealth ily is mor e expe nsive  t han e ating j un k"
T his assert i o n i s bla ta ntly  false.  I can get full on exc ellent qualit y f oodf o rabo u tt hepr i ceo f  a mcdonald's m eal + a ba go fchips.

I' v e e at en like  crap,and I ' ve eate n well. I t's verych eapt o  ea t healthy. 
Most pe ople arej ust m a ki ng ex cus es for  n otwanti ng top rac ticeself-c on trol
o r edu ca te thems elves.

~~~
potatolicio us
Spo ken l ike  a person  of pri vilege -a wi despread e pid emi c _cl ear l y_ mu st b e 
h ord e s ofpoor people to o  l azy t oexercise se l f - con trol. 

H a ving l ived  in both incredib l y poor neighbo rhoo d s  an d i n cred ib ly wealthy
one s,I' l l  say thi s: 

It's _pos sible_
Altmaier
SO the_problem is,_the definition of overweight_has changed_to_'anyone that
doesn't_look_good in a_bathing suit'?

~~~
will_work4tears
I don't_think it's changed, I'm_not commenting on_that,_merely saying most
people don't realize they are, or are seeing an obese person. People_think
Obese_= rolls_of_fat_when in fact you can_be pretty fit looking with_clothes
on.

I'm pretty_sure a BMI of 30+ is still not_the_healthiest. Just not_as obvious
as a person with a 40+ BMI (morbidly_obese)

------
bravoyankee
Many people are too poor to_eat well. When_all_you_can afford is spaghetti_and
potatoes, you will gain weight and_experience suboptimal energy. You'll also
be more_likely to suffer anxiety, depression and get_diabetes.

Believe me, you don't think all_that well either - decisions_become more
emotional_than rational - so getting_out of the_hole gets_even harder.

Instead of_finger pointing, chastising and instructing, I_think more
compassion is_required when it comes to dealing_with_the complex issue_of
obesity.

~~~
Tycho
Your_two_assertions that

1\._Eating healthily is_more_expensive than_eating_junk

2\. Eating poorly impairs your ability_to_think to the extent that you cannot
be_held responsible for your_poor_choice of diet

I find_them very hard to believe_(even though I hear them often)._Do you_have
any links_to the studies or evidence that show this?

~~~
skylan_q
"Eating healthily is more_expensive than eating junk"

This assertion is_blatantly false. I can_get full_on_excellent quality food
for_about_the price_of a mcdonald's meal + a bag_of chips.

I've_eaten like crap, and I've eaten_well. It's very cheap_to_eat healthy.
Most people are just making_excuses for not wanting to practice_self-control
or educate themselves.

~~~
potatolicious
Spoken like a_person_of_privilege - a widespread epidemic__clearly_ must be
hordes of poor people_too lazy to_exercise self-control.

Having lived in both incredibly poor_neighborhoods_and incredibly wealthy
ones, I'll say this:

It's__possible_