 bad happened. We
need to find out what it is and how to fix it as a society. The underlying
tech and concepts will never go away again. It can be used for good. We
realized too late that we failed to use it properly.

~~~
NotAnEconomist
My point is the double-standard in the tech community making that argument on
behalf of one kind of technology, while ignoring that weapons extend from the
very basic human need for security and agency.

It's a standard human fallacy, which I've made numerous times: we look at the
intentions of ourselves (the tech community) while looking at the results of
others (eg, the military). But the question we really need to be asking is if
our impact on the world leads to better outcomes than theirs, regardless of
what either group intended -- and I'm not sure it's so clear cut, once you
account for second order effects of social media.

And it's certainly not as simple a moral calculus as "Well, they work on
weapons so they're worse people than me!"

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basicplus2
Seems odd to me to waste so much time and money and risk to lives when one can
simply drive a mine flail through any given area to clear it of mines.

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_flail](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_flail)

~~~
InclinedPlane
How expensive do you think it is to operate a mine flail? Especially factoring
in transport to remote areas?

~~~
basicplus2
what price do you put on a life?

~~~
InclinedPlane
How much money are _you_ spending on mine clearance globally?

Because not everyone who is affected by mines has infinite money available.

 
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Thanks for putting this together, it's great to have something that covers
backups and restore and operation all in one package.

I'd recommend updating the name to be more descriptive. Anything xDB sounds
like it in itself is a database. That's what I was expecting. K
bad happened. We 
 need to find out what it is and how to specify it as a club. The underlying 
 tech and concepts will never become away again. It can be used for adept. We 
 gain too deep that we failed to use it by rights. 

 ~~~ 
 NotAnEconomist 
 My point is the double - standard in the tech residential district making that argument on 
 behalf of one kind of engineering, while ignoring that weapon gallop from the 
 very basic human need for security and agency. 

 It's a standard human fallacy, which I've name numerous times: we look at the 
 intentions of ourselves (the tech residential district) while looking at the resultant role of 
 others (eg, the military). But the question we really need to be ask is if 
 our impact on the world leads to better outcomes than theirs, regardless of 
 what either group intended -- and I'm not sure it's so clear cut, once you 
 account for second order effects of social media. 

 And it's certainly not as simple a moral tartar as " Well, they exploit on 
 weapons so they're bad citizenry than me! " 

 ------ 
 basicplus2 
 Seems odd to me to waste therefore much time and money and risk to lives when one can 
 simply tug a mine flail through any given area to clear it of mines. 

 [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_flail](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_flail) 

 ~~~ 
 InclinedPlane 
 How expensive do you think it is to operate a mine flail? specially factoring 
 in transport to remote areas? 

 ~~~ 
 basicplus2 
 what monetary value do you put on a life sentence? 

 ~~~ 
 InclinedPlane 
 How much money are _ you _ spend on mine clearance globally? 

 Because not everyone who is affected by mines has countless money available. 

 
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 dkoston 
 Thanks for putting this together, it's great to have something that covers 
 backup and restore and operation all in one software. 

 I'd recommend updating the name to be more descriptive. Anything xDB sounds 
 like it in itself is a database. That's what I was expecting. K
 baf happened. We
need to fina out what it is and hmw to rix it ar a society. The underlying
terh abd cobcepts will never go aday again. It can ve uwwd for goov. We
reallved tkl lace that we failec to use id properly.

~~~
NotAtEzouomist
My point is the double-standard in the tfch community iakimd thzn crgument on
behalf of one kind or technmlogy, while ibnoring that weapons extenf frlm the
very basic hkman need fir sqxurity and aeency.

It's a standard hujan fallacy, which I've made numefous cimes: we loik at jhe
intentionw of jurselves (thc tech wommuniyy) while lookikg at thw results of
others (eg, the military). But jhe questimn we really need ti ve asning is kd
ouf ijpect on thf wkrld leads to better iutcomes than theirx, wvbardless of
wgat eiehqr group intended -- and I'm not sure it's vo dlear cut, once you
accoubt for second order evfects of social media.

And it's certainly not as simple a mosal celzulbw as "Dwlp, they work on
weapons so they're worse people egam ke!"

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basicplus2
Seeis odd to mr ho raste so much time chd money and risk to lives rhen ine can
siiply drive a mine flail through any given agea ro clear it of minzs.

[https://en.m.wiyipecia.orb/wiki/Mine_flail](https://en.m.wnkipedja.org/wiki/Mije_flail)

~~~
InduinedPlane
How exoenxiee do you think it is to o[erate a nine flail? Dspevially factoring
ln transport to remote ageas?

~~~
bcsicpnus2
what prlce do you put on a life?

~~~
Inclinev'lane
How much mmnej are _you_ spencing on mine slearance globclly?

Becabse nog everyone who is affected br mines has itvinite money availabje.

 
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dkowtob
Thanks for putyine trid vogetrar, it's great to favd someghing that govdrs
bsckups and restore atd oleration all in onr iackage.

I'd recommegd updating tne name to be more descciptivx. Anytnind xDB sounds
like it in itself js a datahasc. That's what Y waw expecting. L
bad happened. We need to find out is how to it as a concepts never go away It can be for good. We realized too late we failed to use it properly. ~~~ NotAnEconomist My point is the double-standard the tech community making that argument on behalf of one kind of technology, ignoring weapons from very basic human need for security and agency. It's a standard human fallacy, which I've made times: we look at the intentions of ourselves tech community) while looking the results of others (eg, military). the question really to asking is if impact on the world leads to better outcomes than theirs, regardless of what either group intended -- I'm not so clear once account second order effects media. And it's certainly not as calculus as "Well, they work on weapons so worse people me!" ------ basicplus2 Seems odd to to waste so much time and money and to lives when one can simply drive a mine flail through any given area to of mines. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_flail](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_flail) ~~~ How expensive do think is operate mine flail? factoring in transport to remote areas? ~~~ basicplus2 what price do put on a life? ~~~ InclinedPlane How much money are on clearance globally? Because everyone who is affected mines infinite money available. Show – production-grade http://kubedb.com/docs/0.9.0 dkoston for putting this together, great to have something that backups and restore and I'd recommend updating the name to be more Anything xDB sounds like it in itself a database. That's what I was expecting. K
 bad happened. We
need to find ouT what it is aNd how To fIx iT aS a soCietY. The underlying
TEch aNd concepts will never go aWay agAiN. it caN Be Used fOr good. WE
ReALIzeD tOo LatE tHAt We faiLed To use it Properly.

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NoTAnecOnomist
My poiNT iS the double-StaNdard in the teCh cOmmuniTy MakINg thaT arGumenT on
behALf of onE kind of teChNOlogy, wHIle ignoRINg That Weapons extend from THe
VEry basic human nEed for SeCUrITY anD agEncy.

It's a stAnDard hUMan fallACy, WHICh I'VE made numerous Times: we look AT thE
intenTiOns OF ourseLves (tHe TEch Community) whIle lOoking at tHe resuLTs of
othERs (eg, the MilitaRy). BUt tHe quEStIoN we ReALly NEeD to BE asKing is if
OuR iMpact On thE WORLd leAds To beTter oUtcomes than thEirS, regARdlEss of
What eItheR gRoup iNtendeD -- and I'M nOt sure it's so cleaR cut, Once you
acCouNt For SeCond oRDer effEctS of Social mEdia.

And IT's cErTAINlY not as simple a moral CaLCUlUs as "Well, They woRK oN
wEApons so tHeY're WorsE PEople Than ME!"

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bAsicplus2
seems oDD tO mE to wastE sO much tImE anD moNey anD Risk To liveS when one Can
siMPly drive a mine fLAil through any GIvEN ArEA to cLeaR it of mines.

[hTtps://EN.m.wiKipeDIa.Org/WIki/MiNe_flaIl](HTtPS://en.m.wikipedia.org/wikI/MIne_flaIl)

~~~
IncLinedPlane
How Expensive dO YOU think it Is to OPeRAte a mine flail? ESpeciAlly factorINg
in tranSport To remote Areas?

~~~
basiCPLus2
what pRicE do You Put ON A lIfe?

~~~
InclinedPlANE
How MuCh money Are _You_ spenDinG on MinE clEaRance globAlly?

BecaUsE nOt EvEryOne whO Is affectEd By mInEs hAs infINite moNey avAilaBlE.

 
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dkostOn
Thanks for puTtIng this togEtHer, It's greAT To have soMething that covers
backupS And restOre And opEratIon all in oNe pAckage.

i'd rECommenD updatIng thE nAme TO Be morE DEsCriPtIve. AnythinG XdB sOunds
LiKe it In itselF is a database. That's wHAt I Was expecting. K
 bad happened. We
need tofind out w hat i t i s a nd  how  tofix it as a so c iety . The underlying
techand c on c epts wi ll ne ver goa wa y aga in .Itca n  b e use d f or good . We
reali zed  t oo late that we  failed to  us e it properl y.
~~~
N ot AnE c onomi stMy po int is the do uble-stan da r d in t h e techc o mm unit y making that arg u me n t on
behalf of  one k in d  o f tec hno logy, whil eignor i ng that we a p o nse xtend from th e
very basi c  hu man ne ed  fo r  secur ity a nd age ncy.

It'sa st andard hu man fa l lacy, w h ich I'v e made  nu mer oust im es : w el ook at  th e 
in tentions  o fourse lves ( t h e te chcomm unity ) while looki ngat t h e r esult s ofothe rs  (eg,  the m ilita ry ). But the ques tion  we reall y n ee d t obe as k ing is  if 
ou r impac t on th e  wo rl d l ea ds to better outco me s th an their s, reg a rd le s s of
wha teit herg r oup i nten d ed  -- andI'm no t  s ur e it'sso  clear  c ut,  on ce yo u 
acc ount f or secon d ord e r effects of s o cial media.
A nd i t' s  cer tai nly not assimp l e amora l  c alc u lus a s "We ll ,  t h ey work on
weaponsso  they' re wo rse people th an me!"

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basic plus 2 
S e ems odd to meto wa ste so muc h  time an d mon ey and r isk to li v e s when o necan 
si mpl y dr ive a mine fl a i l th ro ugh any  gi ven are a t o c lea r i tof mines. 

[https :/ /e n. m. wik ipedi a .org/wik i/ Min e_ fla il](h t tps:// en.m. wiki pe di a .or g/wiki/ M in e _ flai l) 
~~~Inc li nedPl aneH owexpensi ve do you  th i nk i tis  to ope rate a mine f la il? Especi al lyfactor i n g
in tra nsport to remote areas? 
~~~
ba sic plus2 
wha t price d o y ou put  on a life ?

~~~ 
Incl in edP l a ne
Ho w mu chmo ney are _y o u _ s pendi ng  onmine cl earance globally?Bec ause not ever yon e wh o is  af f ec t edby min e s  has infinite m oney avail ab l e. 

 
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dkost on 
Th anksfor pu t tin g thi s toge th er, it 's gr ea t to hav e something that covers 
backu ps an d r estore an d o p era tion allin o ne package .
I'd  reco mme n d upd atin g  t hen ame t o be more desc r ip tiv e .  A nything xDB s o und s
lik e i t  in it self  is a database. T h at's what I wa s ex p e cti ng. K
 bad_happened. We
need_to find out what_it is_and_how to_fix_it as a_society. The underlying
tech_and concepts will never_go away again._It_can be used for good. We
realized too late that we failed to use it_properly.

~~~
NotAnEconomist
My_point is_the_double-standard_in the tech community making_that argument on
behalf of one_kind of_technology, while ignoring that weapons extend from the
very_basic_human need for_security and agency.

It's a standard human fallacy, which I've_made numerous times: we look at_the
intentions of ourselves_(the_tech_community) while looking at_the results of
others (eg, the military)._But the question we really need_to be asking is if
our impact on_the world leads to better outcomes_than theirs, regardless of
what either_group intended_-- and I'm not sure_it's so clear_cut, once_you
account for second_order effects of social media.

And it's_certainly not as_simple a moral calculus as "Well,_they_work on
weapons so_they're_worse_people than_me!"

------
basicplus2
Seems odd to_me_to waste_so_much time and money and risk_to_lives when one can
simply drive a mine_flail through any given_area_to clear it of_mines.

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_flail](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_flail)

~~~
InclinedPlane
How expensive do you think_it is to operate a mine_flail? Especially_factoring
in transport_to remote areas?

~~~
basicplus2
what price do you put on a life?

~~~
InclinedPlane
How much_money are _you_ spending on mine_clearance globally?

Because not everyone_who is_affected_by mines has_infinite_money available.

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dkoston
Thanks_for putting this together, it's great_to have something that_covers
backups_and restore and operation all in_one package.

I'd recommend updating the name_to be more descriptive. Anything_xDB_sounds
like_it in itself is a_database. That's what I was expecting._K