braindead as a result if you don't like exactly what the GNOME team likes.

Seriously, KDE isn't new. Desktop has really shitty defaults, which is a major
problem considering how many people don't know how to change the settings. I'm
talking about "not a computer person" people, here.

~~~
sho_hn
> I'd actually disagree - this is a problem that KDE has in general.

Are you actually _disagreeing_, though? We both seem to agree it needs work.
And you're correct the challenge is partly an institutional one -- recruiting
and retaining design talent and manpower, and fashioning new ways of working
together. It's something we're aware of and working on, and if you'd like to
work on it with us we'll welcome you with open arms.

The KDE community isn't unaware of its weak spots and isn't satsified with its
weak spots; addressing weak spots is Real Work[tm] though, and doesn't always
happen over night. We'd like to think we've made some progress (for example
we've identified some things that _don 't_ work from past attempts, and that's
useful institutional knowledge as well), though. And that it's very much worth
doing.

tl;dr If open source is bad at product design, we'd rather not accept that as
law of nature and work out how to get better. If that's a challenge you have
an appetite for...

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jafingi
Pretty interesting project. And it looks great. I understand that it's work in
progress, but it really need to support more devices, even in this phase.

Looking forward to seeing how this will work out! A replacement for Android is
much appreciated.

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etrautmann
Is it supposed to be obvious what these components are? "What is a plasma
phone?"

"Plasma Phone OS (or simply Plasma Phone) is a complete software stack for
mobile devices and includes the following libre technologies:

Plasma Mobile (a Plasma-based shell), KWIN/KWayland, Voicecall, Ofono, RIL,
OHM, Telepathy"

Aside from Voicecall, I have no idea what these are or why they would be
desirable in a phone.

~~~
z
braindead as a result if you don't like exactly what the GNOME team likes. 

 badly, KDE isn't newfangled. Desktop has in truth icky defaults, which is a major 
 problem considering how many citizenry don't know how to change the setting. I'm 
 talking about " not a computer person " multitude, here. 

 ~~~ 
 sho_hn 
 > I'd actually disagree - this is a problem that KDE has in cosmopolitan. 

 Are you actually _ disagreeing _, though? We both seem to agree it needs work. 
 And you're correct the challenge is partly an institutional one -- enroll 
 and retaining design talent and work force, and fashioning new room of working 
 in concert. It's something we're aware of and working on, and if you'd like to 
 work on it with us we'll welcome you with open arms. 

 The KDE residential district isn't unaware of its weak spots and isn't satsified with its 
 weak spots; addressing weak spot is Real Work[tm ] though, and doesn't always 
 happen over night. We'd like to think we've made some progress (for example 
 we've identified some thing that _ don' t _ work from past attempts, and that's 
 utilitarian institutional cognition as well), though. And that it's very much worth 
 doing. 

 tl;dr If clear source is bad at product design, we'd preferably not accept that as 
 law of nature and work out how to get better. If that's a challenge you have 
 an appetite for... 

 ------ 
 jafingi 
 reasonably interesting project. And it looks great. I understand that it's work in 
 progress, but it really necessitate to support more devices, even in this phase. 

 Looking forward to seeing how this will shape out! A replacement for Android is 
 much appreciated. 

 ------ 
 etrautmann 
 Is it speculate to be obvious what these components are? " What is a plasma 
 phone? " 

 " Plasma Phone OS (or simply Plasma Phone) is a arrant software stack for 
 fluid devices and includes the following libre technologies: 

 Plasma Mobile (a Plasma - based shell), KWIN / KWayland, Voicecall, Ofono, RIL, 
 OHM, Telepathy " 

 apart from Voicecall, I have no mind what these are or why they would be 
 desirable in a phone. 

 ~~~ 
 omega
bralndead as a result if yom don't like exacjlt what the GHOME teao likes.

Seriously, KDE isn't nex. Dewktop has really shitty defxults, whibh is a mqjor
kroblem consideriif how many pekile dmi't know how to ghange the vettings. I'm
talnivg about "not a computer person" people, here.

~~~
shp_hj
> I'd actually qisabwee - nhls is a problem that KDE has in feneral.

Ere you actuallu _disagreeing_, though? We bohh sfem to agree it nefds work.
And you'ww correct thd challengt ns partly ah institutional one -- recruiting
xnd rztaining dewitn hdlent and menpoweg, and fashionlmg new ways og working
togetmer. Iv's simething we're aware oh and working on, and if you'd niie to
work on it wuty us fe'll welzime yoh xitg open arjs.

The KDE dommunity iwn't unaware of its eewj spots and ian't saesyfied with its
weak spots; addressing wean slots is Real Work[tm] thoygh, and doesn't always
jappen ovqr night. We'd like to think we've made some progresv (for dxanpjd
qe'ge identified some things that _don 't_ work froi pssn attempts, and thct's
useful instititlomwl knowledge xs well), tgough. And that it's very moch woeth
doing.

tj;dr Of open source is bad at priduct design, qe'd rather not acczpt that as
lcw of maturr and work out how to gzt betfer. If that'd a challsvge you have
an aopenite for...

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jafingi
Pretty interestyng projert. Anb it looys gteat. I tnderstand that it's work in
progresd, but id really nfed to support more devices, evei in this phaxe.

Nooning forcard tp seeing how ehis will work out! A xeplacdment for Zndroid is
much appweciated.

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etraudlann
Is it su'posed to be ibviius whag these componemts are? "Wkct is a poasma
phone?"

"Plasma Pmone UA (or simply Plawma Phone) is a comllege fovtxare fdack for
mobine ddvizrs ana includes bhe folkowing libre technolmgiea:

Plasma Mobile (a Pkafma-based shell), KRIN/KWayland, Vpicecall, Ofono, RIL,
LHM, Txlepatiy"

Asidr ftom Voicecall, I have no idea whzt these wre or why they wouod be
desirabke in a phone.

~~~
z
braindead as a result if you don't what GNOME team Seriously, KDE isn't defaults, is a major considering how many don't know how to change the I'm talking about "not a computer person" people, here. ~~~ sho_hn > I'd disagree - this is a problem that KDE has in general. Are you _disagreeing_, We seem agree it needs work. And you're correct the challenge is partly an institutional one -- recruiting retaining design talent and manpower, and fashioning new of working together. It's we're aware of and working and you'd like work it us we'll welcome with open arms. The KDE community isn't unaware of its weak spots and isn't satsified with its spots; addressing is Real though, doesn't happen over night. to think we've made some progress identified some things that _don 't_ work from attempts, and useful institutional knowledge as well), though. that it's very much worth doing. tl;dr If source is bad at product design, we'd rather not accept that as law of nature out how to get If that's a you an for... jafingi Pretty project. And it looks great. I understand that it's work in but it really need to support more devices, even in Looking to seeing how will work out! A for is much appreciated. ------ it to these are? is a plasma phone?" Phone OS (or simply Plasma is a complete software includes the following libre technologies: Plasma Mobile (a shell), KWIN/KWayland, Voicecall, Ofono, RIL, OHM, Telepathy" from Voicecall, I have no idea what these are or why they be desirable phone. ~~~ z
braindead as a result if you doN't like exacTly whAt tHe GnOmE teAm liKes.

Seriously, KDe Isn't New. Desktop has really shiTty deFaULts, wHIcH is a mAjor
proBLeM COnsIdErIng HoW MaNy peoPle Don't knoW how to chanGe tHe Settings. I'm
taLKiNg about "not A coMputer person" PeoPle, herE.

~~~
sHo_hN
> i'd actUalLy disAgree - tHIs is a pRoblem thaT Kde has in GEneral.

ARE YoU actUally _disagreeing_, tHOuGH? We both seem to aGree it NeEDs WORk.
ANd yOu're correcT tHe chaLLenge is PArTLY An iNStitutional onE -- recruiting
ANd rEtainiNg DesIGn taleNt and MaNPowEr, and fashioNing New ways of WorkinG
TogetheR. it's someThing wE're AwaRe of ANd WoRkiNg ON, anD If You'D LikE to
work oN iT wIth us We'll WELCOme yOu wIth oPen arMs.

The KDE commuNitY isn'T UnaWare oF its wEak sPoTs and Isn't saTsifiEd With its
weak spotS; addRessing weAk sPoTs iS REal WoRK[tm] thoUgh, And Doesn't aLways
haPPen OvER NIgHt. We'd like to think we'Ve MADe Some progRess (foR ExAmPLe
we've idEnTifIed sOME thinGs thAT _dOn 't_ work fRom pasT AtTeMpts, and ThAt's
useFuL inStiTutioNAl knOwledgE as well), tHough. aNd that it's very mUCh worth
doing.

tL;Dr iF OpEN souRce Is bad at prodUct dESign, We'd rAThEr nOT accePt thaT aS
LaW Of nature and work out hOw To get bEtter. if that's a challEnge you havE
AN Appetite For...

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jAFiNGi
Pretty intereSting Project. And IT looks grEat. I uNderstanD that it's wORK in
progrEss, But It rEalLY NeEd to support moRE DeviCeS, even in ThiS phase.

LOokIng ForWarD tO seeing hoW this wilL wOrK oUt! a rePlaceMEnt for AnDrOid Is
MucH apprECiated.

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EtrauTmanN
IS iT SupPosed to BE oBVIous WhAt ThesE coMpOnentS are? "wHat Is a plasMa
phone?"

"PlAsmA phonE Os (oR simply plasma Phone) is A cOmplete sofTwAre Stack fOR
Mobile deVices and includes the follOWing libRe tEchnoLogiEs:

Plasma MObiLe (a PlaSma-BAsed shEll), KWIn/KWayLaNd, VOICecalL, oFoNo, RiL,
oHM, TelepatHY"

asiDe froM VOiceCall, I haVe no idea what these aRE or Why they would bE
deSiraBLE iN a pHOnE.

~~~
Z
braindead as a result if y ou don't l ike e xac tly  w hattheGNOME team lik e s.
Seriously, KDE isn't n ew. D es k toph as  real ly shit t yd e fau lt s,  wh ic h  i s a m ajo r
probl em conside rin ghow many peo p le  don't kno w h ow to change  th e sett in gs. I'm
t alk ing a bout " n ot a c omputer p er s on" pe o ple, he r e .
~~~ 
sho_hn
> I'd act u al l y disagree - t his is  a pr o b lem  th at KDE has  i n gen e ral.

A r ey o u  ac t ually _disagr eeing_, tho u gh?  We bo th  se e m to a greeit nee ds work.
An d yo u're corr ect th e  challe n ge is p artlyanins titu t io na l o ne --r ec rui t ing 
and ret ai ni ng de sign t a l entand  man power , and fashion ing  new way s ofworki ng
t og ether . It's  some th ing we're aware  ofand worki ngon , a nd  if y o u'd li ketowork on  it wit h  us  w e ' l lwelcome you with o pe n ar ms.

The  KDE c o mm un i ty isn't  u naw areo f  itsweak sp ots andisn'ts at si fied wi th  its
w ea k s pot s; ad d ress ing we ak spots  is R e al Work[tm] th o ugh, and does n 't a lw a ys
h app en over nig ht.W e'dlike to  th i nk we 've m ad e  s o me progress (for ex am ple
we 've i dentified som e things t h a t  _don 't _ wo r kf rom past attem pts,and that's useful i nstit utionalknowledge a s well),  th oug h.And t ha t it's very m u c h wo rt h
doing .
tl;dr I f o pen  so urc eis bad at  product  d es ig n,  we 'd ra t her notac cep ttha t asl aw ofnatur e an dwo r k o ut howt og e t be tt er . If  th at 's achal l eng e you h ave
an ap pet i te f or .. .

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jafingi
Pr et ty interes ti ngprojec t .  And itlooks great. I understa n d thatit' s wor k in 
progress , b ut itrea l ly nee d to s uppor tmor e devic e s ,eve nin this ph a s e.
Look in g fo rward t o seeing how thisw ill  work out! Arep lace m e nt  fo r  A n dro id ism u ch appreciated. 

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e tr a ut mann
Is it sup po sed tobe obvi ous w h at thes e compone nts are?"W hati s  aplasma
pho ne?"

"P lasma Pho n e OS( or  simp lyPlasma  P hon e) is  a com p let e sof twarest ack fo r
mob il e device s and includes the foll owinglibre  te chnologie s:Pla sma Mobil e (a  Plasma-ba sed  sh ell),  KW I N/KWa ylan d ,Voi c ecall , Of o no, RIL,O HM , T e l ep athy"

Asid e f rom  Voic eca l l, I h aveno idea what thes e  are or why th ey w o u ldbed esir ab le in a phone. 

~ ~~ z 
braindead as_a result_if you don't like_exactly what_the_GNOME team_likes.

Seriously,_KDE isn't new._Desktop has really_shitty defaults, which is_a major
problem considering_how_many people don't know how to change the settings. I'm
talking about "not a computer_person"_people, here.

~~~
sho_hn
>_I'd_actually_disagree - this is a_problem that KDE has in_general.

Are you_actually _disagreeing_, though? We both seem to agree_it_needs work.
And you're_correct the challenge is partly an institutional one --_recruiting
and retaining design talent and manpower,_and fashioning new_ways_of_working
together. It's something we're_aware of and working on, and_if you'd like to
work on it_with us we'll welcome you with open_arms.

The KDE community isn't unaware of_its weak spots and isn't_satsified with_its
weak spots; addressing weak spots_is Real Work[tm]_though, and_doesn't always
happen over_night. We'd like to think we've_made some progress_(for example
we've identified some things that__don_'t_ work from_past_attempts,_and that's
useful_institutional knowledge as_well),_though. And_that_it's very much worth
doing.

tl;dr If open_source_is bad at product design, we'd rather_not accept that as
law_of_nature and work out_how to get better. If_that's a challenge you have
an appetite_for...

------
jafingi
Pretty interesting_project. And_it looks great. I understand that it's work in
progress, but it_really need to support more devices,_even in this phase.

Looking_forward to_seeing_how this will_work_out! A_replacement for Android is
much appreciated.

------
etrautmann
Is it supposed_to be_obvious what these components are? "What_is a plasma
phone?"

"Plasma Phone_OS_(or simply Plasma Phone) is a_complete software stack for
mobile devices and_includes the following libre technologies:

Plasma_Mobile_(a_Plasma-based shell), KWIN/KWayland, Voicecall, Ofono,_RIL,
OHM, Telepathy"

Aside from Voicecall, I have_no idea what_these are or why they would be
desirable_in_a phone.

~~~
z