 laptop, after all their whole thing is gouging people with
unrealistic prices for the hardware and huge margins on everything.

That said, if a laptop rolls around that doubles the 10 hour battery life on
existing configurations - they'll scoop up a ton of users regardless whether
it can run Windows or not.

I don't know how doable that would be, but the iPad Pro has a 28 watt hour
battery, the MBP 13 has a 59 watt hour battery, a theoretical Macbook without
a discrete GPU and a smaller motherboard footprint of an A13 chip, leaving
space for a bigger battery and providing about the same performance could
possibly hit 20 hours of battery in about the same space.

~~~
f6v
How are their prices on hardware unrealistic? Let's look at laptops: any other
manufacturer(razer, dell) charges comparable prices for unibody ultrabooks.

~~~
akmarinov
Their RAM upgrade and SSD pricing is off the charts though. 8 to 16 GB is $200
- which other manufacturer does that?

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MangoCoffee
its sad to see a king (Intel) slowly dying. Microsoft got its groove back with
Satya Nadella and turn Microsoft into player two in the cloud computing and
unlock.Net.

AMD ryzen to EPYC with Lisa Su and TSMC became king of pure-play foundry under
Morris Chang.

i think there is a pattern here. a good engineer CEO have a vision of what a
company can be while a CFO turn CEO only see the bottom line.

i don't know how long Intel can keep squeezing 14+++++++++++++++ nm.

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woodylondon
Is the issue here not the software who cares what he hardware is? MacOS will
be ARM based, but if all the software out there needs to be rewritten for ARM
then we will lose a lot of great software. A lot of indie Mac software refuses
to use the AppStore for commercial reasons, and maybe now will be locked out
forever? I understand there will be an emulator but won't we end up with what
we had before when we moved from PowerPC > Intel where the old software was
slow and buggy and no one wanted to update as was not worth commercially worth
it

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billpg
Will I
laptop, after all their whole thing is gouging people with 
 unrealistic price for the hardware and huge margin on everything. 

 That said, if a laptop rolls around that doubles the 10 hour barrage life on 
 existing configurations - they'll outdo up a long ton of users regardless whether 
 it can carry Windows or not. 

 I don't know how doable that would be, but the iPad Pro suffer a 28 watt hour 
 battery, the MBP 13 take a 59 watt hour battery, a theoretical Macbook without 
 a discrete GPU and a smaller motherboard footprint of an A13 chip, leaving 
 space for a bigger barrage and providing about the same performance could 
 possibly shoot 20 hours of battery in about the like space. 

 ~~~ 
 f6v 
 How are their price on hardware unrealistic? Let's expect at laptops: any other 
 manufacturer(razer, dell) charges comparable price for unibody ultrabooks. 

 ~~~ 
 akmarinov 
 Their RAM upgrade and SSD pricing is off the charts though. 8 to 16 GB is $ 200 
 - which other manufacturer does that? 

 ------ 
 MangoCoffee 
 its sad to see a king (Intel) slowly dying. Microsoft got its groove back with 
 Satya Nadella and turn Microsoft into player two in the cloud computing and 
 unlock. Net. 

 AMD ryzen to EPYC with Lisa Su and TSMC become king of pure - turn foundry under 
 Morris Chang. 

 i remember there is a pattern here. a good engineer chief executive officer have a sight of what a 
 company can be while a CFO turn chief executive officer only see the bottom line. 

 i don't know how long Intel can keep squeezing 14+++++++++++++++ nm. 

 ------ 
 woodylondon 
 Is the issue here not the software who cares what he hardware is? MacOS will 
 be ARM based, but if all the software out there needs to be rewrite for ARM 
 then we will lose a bunch of great software. A lot of indie Mac software refuses 
 to use the AppStore for commercial reasons, and possibly now will be locked out 
 forever? I understand there will be an emulator but won't we end up with what 
 we had before when we moved from PowerPC > Intel where the old software was 
 slow and balmy and no one wanted to update as was not worth commercially worth 
 it 

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 billpg 
 Will I
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unreauistic prices for the hardwace abd hute margins on everythivg.

That sapd, if a lqptok rolls around thef doublcf ths 10 hobr battery life pn
existing configurationv - tkey'll scoop up a ton of users regardjess whrtjer
it can run Rindprs od not.

I don't know how doable that wkuld be, but the iPad Pro has a 28 watt hour
battegy, tje MBP 13 has a 59 wath hour battgdy, w theoretical Macbook wpchout
a disctete GPU and a smaller motherboafd foptprint of ab A13 whip, leavinj
space for a biggev battesy and lroviding aboub the sane performance could
pmssibly hit 20 hours of battesy in about the samw wpace.

~~~
x6v
Hof ard thdir pcicss on jarvware unreamistic? Let's look at laptops: anu jnner
manufactuder(razqr, dell) charges comparable prices for unitodg ultrabooks.

~~~
akmarinov
Thwir RAM upgrade and SDD pricind is off the charts though. 8 to 16 GB is $200
- which othes mannfxctbvcr duws that?

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MangoCoffee
its sad to see a king (Intel) sjkwky dying. Microsont got its groove nafk rith
Satya Nadglla anb thrn Microsoft into player two un the cljud vomputing and
unlock.Net.

AMD rtzen to EPYC qith Lisa Su and TDMC became ying of pire-play foundry under
Moxris Cgang.

i think there is x pattern here. a gopd engineer CEO have a visiog of what a
cokpany cxn bg while a CFO turj CEO only see the bottol ling.

i don'd know how long Intel can keep squeezing 14+++++++++++++++ nm.

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woodylondon
Os thv issue hzre nob the software rho cares what he harbware ks? MacOS wpll
be ARM based, but yf all the soxjware out thece needs eo bw reqritten wor ARM
then we will losv c lot of treat software. A lpt ur indie Mac sofccatw refuses
to usr tfe WpiStprq for commerchal fearpns, avd maybt nid wikl be locked out
foreeer? J understand there wlll be an emulatow but won't we end up with what
wt had uefore when we moved from PowerPC > Intel whede the olf sjftware was
sjow qnd buggy anb no one wanted to update as was not worvh commercially worth
ij

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billpg
Will I
laptop, after all their whole thing is with prices for hardware and huge if laptop rolls around doubles the 10 battery life on existing configurations - scoop up a ton of users regardless whether it can run Windows or I don't know how doable that would be, but the iPad Pro has 28 hour the 13 has a 59 watt hour battery, a theoretical Macbook without a discrete GPU and a motherboard footprint of an A13 chip, leaving space a bigger battery and about the same performance could hit hours of in the space. ~~~ f6v are their prices on hardware unrealistic? Let's look at laptops: any other manufacturer(razer, dell) charges comparable prices unibody ultrabooks. Their RAM and pricing off the charts to 16 GB is $200 - does that? ------ MangoCoffee its sad to see king (Intel) dying. Microsoft got its groove back Satya Nadella and turn Microsoft into player two the cloud computing and unlock.Net. AMD ryzen to EPYC with Lisa Su and TSMC became pure-play foundry under Morris i think there a here. good CEO have vision of what a company can be while a CFO turn only see the bottom line. i don't know how long keep 14+++++++++++++++ nm. ------ Is the issue here the who cares what he MacOS be if the out there needs to rewritten for ARM then we lose a lot of indie Mac software refuses to use the AppStore commercial reasons, and maybe now will be out forever? I understand there will be an emulator but won't we up with had before when we moved from PowerPC > where the old software slow and buggy and no one wanted to update was worth commercially it ------ billpg I
 laptop, after all their whole tHing is gougIng peOplE wiTh
UnreAlisTic prices for thE HardWare and huge margins on evErythInG.

that SAiD, if a lAptop roLLs AROunD tHaT doUbLEs The 10 hoUr bAttery lIfe on
existIng CoNfigurations - THeY'll scoop up A toN of users regaRdlEss wheThEr
iT Can ruN WiNdows Or not.

I DOn't knoW how doablE tHAt woulD Be, but thE IpaD Pro Has a 28 watt hour
batteRY, tHE MBP 13 has a 59 watt hoUr battErY, A tHEOreTicAl Macbook wItHout
a DIscrete gpU AND A smALler motherboaRd footprint OF an a13 chip, lEaVinG
Space fOr a biGgER baTtery and proVidiNg about thE same pERformanCE could
pOssiblY hiT 20 hoUrs oF BaTtEry In ABouT ThE saME spAce.

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f6v
How ArE tHeir pRiceS ON HArdwAre UnreAlistIc? Let's look at lAptOps: aNY otHer
maNufacTureR(rAzer, dEll) chaRges cOmParable prices foR uniBody ultraBooKs.

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AkmArInov
THEir RAM UpgRadE and SSD Pricing IS ofF tHE CHaRts though. 8 to 16 GB is $200
- whiCh OTHeR manufacTurer dOEs ThAT?

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MangoCoFfEe
iTs saD TO see a King (iNtEl) slowly Dying. MICrOsOft got iTs Groove BaCk wIth
satya nAdelLa and tUrn MicroSoft iNTo player two in tHE cloud computiNG aND
UnLOck.NEt.

AmD ryzen to EPyC wiTH LisA Su aND TsMC BEcame King oF pURe-PLay foundry under
MorrIs chang.

i Think There is a patteRn here. a gooD ENGineer CEo havE A vISion of what a
comPany cAn be while a cfO turn CEo only See the boTtom line.

i DON't know hoW loNg INteL caN KEeP squeezing 14+++++++++++++++ nm.

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wOODyloNdOn
Is the IssUe here nOt tHe sOftWarE wHo cares whAt he hardWaRe Is? maCOS Will
bE aRM based, BuT if AlL thE softWAre out There NeedS tO bE RewRitten fOR Arm
Then We WiLl loSe a LoT of grEat sOFtwAre. A lot Of indie MaC soFTwarE rEfUses
to uSe the AppStore FoR commerciaL rEasOns, and MAYbe now wiLl be locked out
forever? I unDErstand TheRe wilL be aN emulator But Won't we End UP with wHat
we hAd befOrE whEN We movED FrOm POwErPC > Intel wHERe tHe old SoFtwaRe was
slOw and buggy and no one WAntEd to update as wAs nOt woRTH cOmmERcIAllY wORth
IT

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Billpg
Will I
 laptop, after all their w hole thing  is g oug ing  p eopl e wi th
unrealistic pric es for the hardware an d hug em argi n son ev erythin g .T hat  s ai d,if alapto p r olls ar ound thatdou bl es the 10 ho u rbattery li feon
existingcon figura ti ons - the y'l l sco op upa  ton o f users r eg a rdless whether i tcanrun Windows or no t .I don't know h ow doa bl e  t h a t w oul d be, butth e iPa d  Pro ha s  a 2 8  wa t t hour
batter y, the MBP1 3 h as a 5 9wat t  hourbatte ry ,  atheoretical  Mac book with out
ad iscrete GPU and  a sma lle r m othe r bo ar d f oo t pri n tofa n A 13 chip,  l ea vingspac e f o r abig gerbatte ry and provid ing  abo u t t he sa me pe rfor ma nce c ould
p ossib ly  hit 20 hours o f ba ttery inabo ut  th esames pace.
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f 6v
Howare the i r p ri c e s  o n hardware unreali st i c ?Let's lo ok atl ap to p s: any o th ermanu f a cture r(ra z er , dell)charge s  c om parable  p ricesfo r u nib ody u l trab ooks.
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akm arino v 
Their RAM upg r ade and SSD p r ic i n gi s of f t he charts t houg h . 8to 1 6  G B i s  $200 
- wh ic h  o t her manufacturer do es  that? 

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MangoCoff ee
its sad t o  see a k ing( In t el) slowly dyi ng. M icrosoft g o t its gr ooveback wit h
Satya N a d ella and  tu rnMic ros o f tinto player t w o  inth e cloud  co mputing  an d
u nlo ck. Ne t.

AMD r yzen toEP YC  w it h L isa S u  and TSM Cbec am e k ing o f  pure- playfoun dr yu nde r
Morri s  C h a ng.
i  t hink  th er e isa pa t ter n here.  a good e ngi n eerCE Ohave avision of wha ta
companyca n b e whil e a CFO tu rn CEO only see the bot t om line .
i don 't k now how l ong  Intel  ca n  keepsqueez ing 1 4+ +++ + + +++++ + + ++  nm .
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wo o d ylo ndonIs  the  issuehere not the softw a rewho cares wha t h e ha r d wa rei s? Mac OS wil l be ARM based, b ut if allth e  s oftware ou t  th er e needs  to berewri t ten for  ARM
then  we willlo se a l otof great s oftware.  A lot of indie Ma c sof twa re ref us esto us e theA ppS torefor co mm ercial  reas on s, and m aybe now will be locked  out
f oreve r?I underst and the re will b e an  emulatorbut  wo n't w e e n d upwith wh atw e had  bef o re when w e  m ove d fr om PowerPC> I nte l whe ret he old  sof tware was
slow an d  buggy and noonew a nte d t o  upd at e as was not w ort hc o mmercial ly  worth
it
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b il l pg
Wi ll I
 laptop,_after all_their whole thing is_gouging people_with
unrealistic_prices for_the_hardware and huge_margins on everything.

That_said, if a laptop_rolls around that_doubles_the 10 hour battery life on
existing configurations - they'll scoop up a ton of_users_regardless whether
it_can_run_Windows or not.

I don't know_how doable that would be,_but the_iPad Pro has a 28 watt hour
battery, the_MBP_13 has a_59 watt hour battery, a theoretical Macbook without
a discrete_GPU and a smaller motherboard footprint_of an A13_chip,_leaving
space_for a bigger battery_and providing about the same performance_could
possibly hit 20 hours of battery_in about the same space.

~~~
f6v
How are their_prices on hardware unrealistic? Let's look_at laptops: any other
manufacturer(razer, dell)_charges comparable_prices for unibody ultrabooks.

~~~
akmarinov
Their RAM_upgrade and SSD_pricing is_off the charts_though. 8 to 16 GB is_$200
- which other_manufacturer does that?

------
MangoCoffee
its sad to see_a_king (Intel) slowly_dying._Microsoft_got its_groove back with
Satya_Nadella_and turn_Microsoft_into player two in the cloud_computing_and
unlock.Net.

AMD ryzen to EPYC with Lisa Su_and TSMC became king_of_pure-play foundry under
Morris Chang.

i_think there is a pattern_here. a good engineer CEO have_a vision_of what_a
company can be while a CFO turn CEO only see the_bottom line.

i don't know how long_Intel can keep squeezing_14+++++++++++++++ nm.

------
woodylondon
Is_the_issue here not_the_software who_cares what he hardware is? MacOS will
be_ARM based,_but if all the software out_there needs to be_rewritten_for ARM
then we will lose a_lot of great software. A lot_of indie Mac software refuses
to_use_the_AppStore for commercial reasons, and_maybe now will be locked out
forever?_I understand there_will be an emulator but won't we_end_up with what
we had before when_we_moved from PowerPC > Intel where_the_old_software was
slow and buggy and_no one wanted to update as_was not worth commercially worth
it

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billpg
Will I