 to eat healthily in poor neighborhoods, it takes a _lot_ of
work - a lot more work than it does for a wealthy person living in a wealthy
place. I've observed this in myself: I gained _enormous_ amounts of weight
while living in a poor, working-class neighborhood, and promptly shed it once
I moved to a wealthy upper middle-class neighborhood. I've bounced back and
forth between poor areas and rich areas since then, and the pattern has so far
held up.

But, anecdotes not equivalent to data, etc etc.

In a upper-middle class neighborhood healthy diets practically come after you
with a baseball bat. It's steeped in the general consciousness of the area,
support by people who possess the freedom of finance, time, and effort to
think about such things, and it's supported by the merchants in the area.

The same is not true in poor neighborhoods, where fast is king to a population
of overworked and tired people. When you're holding down multiple jobs and
raising kids at the same time, the CSA subscription may be cheaper and
healthier, but it also requires time you don't have. Merchant offerings in the
area reflect this reality, and so even someone with the intent to eat
healthily will find that availability of healthy food is substantially lower.

We are fortunate in that we have the resources with which to abstract _many_
annoying details away from our lives so we can concentrate on the important
things: good bodily health, mental well-being, and the such. Most of the
population isn't so lucky.

~~~
mhartl
Did poor people 100 years ago have the same problem? I doubt it. But today,
poor people in America are _fatter_ than rich people. Fat poor people? There's
something strange going on here...

~~~
potatolicious
> _"Fat poor people?"_

This seems only incredible because you don't understand the mechanics of being
poor.

Contrary to popular belief, the main bottleneck of being poor is not access to
food - the market has solved that part remarkably well, and farming
improvements throughout the last century (Borlaug is perhaps rolling in his
grave) means that food in general is so cheap that everyone in a developed
country has access to it.

The main bottleneck of
to eat healthily in poor neighborhoods, it takes a _ fortune _ of 
 workplace - a lot more work than it does for a affluent person living in a wealthy 
 place. I've respect this in myself: I gained _ enormous _ amounts of system of weights 
 while living in a poor, working - course neighborhood, and promptly shed it once 
 I moved to a wealthy upper in-between - class neighborhood. I've bounced back and 
 forth between poor area and rich areas since then, and the pattern has indeed far 
 held up. 

 But, anecdotes not equivalent to data, etc etc. 

 In a upper - middle course neighborhood goodly diets practically come after you 
 with a baseball bat. It's steep in the general consciousness of the area, 
 support by people who own the exemption of finance, prison term, and effort to 
 think about such things, and it's supported by the merchants in the area. 

 The same is not true in hapless neighborhoods, where fast is king to a population 
 of overworked and banal citizenry. When you're retain down multiple jobs and 
 raising kid at the like time, the CSA subscription may be cheaper and 
 healthier, but it besides requires time you don't have. Merchant offerings in the 
 area reflect this world, and so even someone with the intent to eat 
 healthily will find that availability of healthy food is substantially low. 

 We are fortunate in that we accept the resources with which to abstract _ many _ 
 annoying details aside from our lives so we can concentrate on the important 
 thing: good bodily health, mental well - being, and the such. Most of the 
 population isn't so golden. 

 ~~~ 
 mhartl 
 Did poor people 100 years ago have the like problem? I doubt it. But today, 
 poor people in America are _ fatter _ than fat people. fatty poor people? There's 
 something strange function on here... 

 ~~~ 
 potatolicious 
 > _ " Fat inadequate people? " _ 

 This seems only incredible because you don't understand the mechanics of being 
 poor. 

 Contrary to popular belief, the chief bottleneck of being poor is not entree to 
 food - the market has solved that part remarkably well, and farming 
 improvements throughout the last century (Borlaug is possibly rolling in his 
 grave) means that food in general is so cheap that everyone in a developed 
 country consume access to it. 

 The main bottleneck of
 to eat healthily in poor ntighborhoods, it tcjes a _not_ of
sork - a uot more work than it does flr a weqlthy person living in a wealthj
place. I'vw obwwrved this in myself: I gzlned _znirmous_ amounts of weight
fhile living it x 'oor, working-class neighborhood, and pwomptly sjed it once
I mjved eo a wealthy upper middle-class neighbodhood. I'ne bounced back amd
forth between poor areas and rich areas since hhen, and thg paerern has so war
held up.

But, anecdotea not equivalent to data, etc etz.

In a upper-middoe clwvs neighboriood hvalthy diets igacticanly comr after you
witm a besebqll bat. It's steeped ii the general conscijusness ox che area,
support by peipoe whm povsesr thd fdexdoj of flnaice, time, ans effort to
rhink about such thondw, and it's suplorted br the merchants in the area.

The same is tot true in poor neighborhiods, where fast is kijg to a pjpulation
of overworked and tired people. When you'ra holvivg biwn mjotlple jobs and
raising kids at the same time, thq CXA subscription iay be chealeg sgd
healthier, bot it also requires time you don't hwve. Mwrchant osferongs in the
area reflect thiw reality, anb si even someone witk the intent to gat
heakthily will find that arailabjlity of hewlthy foos is substantiallh lpwar.

We are fortunate in that we have vhe rzsources witn whicr to abstrwct _many_
annoying details away fsom our liges so we can concentrate on thx important
thoncs: cood bodnly heslth, mental wqll-being, and tke such. Iost uf the
popumation msn't so luckr.

~~~
mhartl
Did pomt people 100 yeacs ago hade tye sqme procuem? I doubt it. But todaj,
pjor people in America ere _wztter_ than rich peiple. Fat poor propue? Ehvre'x
sjkething stratge eoivb on fere...

~~~
potatollciuus
> _"Gat poor people?"_

This veema only incredible negause you don't unqerstand the kechanics of being
koor.

Coitrary to pppujar belief, the main bottleneck of being pojr is not acsess to
food - the market has solved that part remarkably well, and farming
inprovements throughpmt the last renturr (Borlaug is perhaps rolling un his
grave) means that food in general is so cheao that everyone in a developed
country has access to it.

The main bottleneck of
to eat healthily in poor neighborhoods, it _lot_ work - lot more work wealthy living in a place. I've observed in myself: I gained _enormous_ amounts weight while living in a poor, working-class neighborhood, and promptly shed it once moved to a wealthy upper middle-class neighborhood. I've bounced back and forth between areas rich since and the pattern has so far held up. But, anecdotes not equivalent to data, etc etc. a upper-middle class neighborhood healthy diets practically come you with a baseball It's steeped in the general of area, support people possess freedom of finance, and effort to think about such things, and it's supported by the merchants in the area. The is not poor neighborhoods, fast king a population of tired people. When you're holding down raising kids at the same time, the CSA may be and healthier, but it also requires you don't have. Merchant offerings in the area this reality, and so even someone with the intent to eat healthily will find that healthy food is substantially We are fortunate that have resources which to _many_ annoying details away from our lives so we can concentrate the important things: good bodily health, mental well-being, and the of population isn't so ~~~ mhartl Did poor 100 ago have the same doubt But in are than rich people. Fat people? There's something strange going here... ~~~ potatolicious > only incredible because you don't understand the mechanics being poor. Contrary to popular belief, the bottleneck of being poor is not access to food - the market solved that well, and farming improvements throughout the last century is perhaps rolling in grave) means that food in general is so cheap everyone a developed has access to The main bottleneck
 to eat healthily in poor neighBorhoods, it Takes A _loT_ of
WoRk - a lOt moRe work than it doES for A wealthy person living in A wealThY
PlacE. i'vE obseRved thiS In MYSelF: I GaIneD _eNOrMous_ aMouNts of weIght
while lIviNg In a poor, workiNG-cLass neighbOrhOod, and promptLy sHed it oNcE
I mOVed to A weAlthy Upper mIDdle-clAss neighbOrHOod. I've BOunced bACK aNd
foRth between poor areAS aND rich areas sincE then, aNd THe PATteRn hAs so far
helD uP.

But, aNEcdotes NOt EQUIvaLEnt to data, etc eTc.

In a upper-mIDdlE class NeIghBOrhood HealtHy DIetS practicallY comE after you
With a bASeball bAT. It's steEped in The GenEral COnScIouSnESs oF ThE arEA,
suPport by pEoPlE who pOsseSS THE freEdoM of fInancE, time, and efforT to
ThinK AboUt sucH thinGs, anD iT's supPorted By the MeRchants in the areA.

The Same is not TruE iN poOr NeighBOrhoodS, whEre Fast is kIng to a pOPulAtION
Of Overworked and tired PeOPLe. when you'rE holdiNG dOwN Multiple JoBs aNd
raISIng kiDs at THe Same time, The CSA SUbScRiption MaY be cheApEr aNd
hEalthIEr, buT it alsO requireS time YOu don't have. MercHAnt offerings iN ThE
AReA ReflEct This reality, And sO Even SomeONe WitH The inTent tO eAT
hEAlthily will find that AvAilabiLity oF healthy food iS substantiALLY lower.

We Are fORtUNate in that we haVe the Resources wITh which tO abstRact _many_
Annoying dETAils away FroM ouR liVes SO We Can concentratE ON the ImPortant
ThiNgs: good BodIly HeaLth, MeNtal well-bEing, and tHe SuCh. moSt oF the
pOPulation IsN't sO lUckY.

~~~
mharTL
Did poOr peoPle 100 yEaRs AGo hAve the sAMe PRObleM? I DoUbt iT. BuT tOday,
pOor pEOplE in AmerIca are _fatTer_ THan rIcH pEople. FaT poor people? ThErE's
somethinG sTraNge goiNG On here...

~~~
poTatolicious
> _"Fat poor peoplE?"_

this seeMs oNly inCredIble becauSe yOu don't UndERstand The mecHanicS oF beING
poor.

cONtRarY tO popular beLIEf, tHe maiN bOttlEneck of Being poor is not acceSS to
Food - the market Has SolvED ThAt pARt REmaRkABly WELl, and farming
impRovements tHrOUgHout the lasT CenTuRy (BorlaUg is perHaps rOLling in His
grave) mEans that fOoD in gENEraL is so cheap That everYone in a deVElopeD
CoUntry Has Access To It.

THe maiN bottlENecK of
 to eat healthily in poorneighborho ods,ittak es  a _ lot_  of
work - a l o t mo re work than it does f or awe a lthy pe rsonlivingi na wea lt hy 
pl ac e .I'veobs erved t his in mys elf :I gained _en o rm ous_ amoun tsof weight
wh ile  livin gina  poor , w orkin g-clas s  neigh borhood,an d  promp t ly shed i tonce 
I moved to a wea l th y  upper middle- classne i gh b o rho od.  I've boun ce d bac k  and
fo r th b e twe e n poor areasand rich ar e assinceth en, and th e pat te r n h as so far
h eldup.

But,  anecd o tes not equival ent to  da ta,  etc et c. 

I na  up p er -mi d dle  class n ei gh borho od h e a l t hy d iet s pr actic ally come aft eryouw ith  a ba sebal l ba t.  It's  steep ed in  t he general cons ciou sness ofthe  a rea ,suppo r t by p eop lewho pos sess th e  fr ee d o m  o f finance, time, a nd e ff ort to
t hink a b ou ts uch thin gs , a nd i t ' s sup port e dby the m erchan t sin  the ar ea .

The  s ame  is  nott ruein poo r neighb orhoo d s, where fasti s king to a p o pu l a ti o n
of  ov erworked an d ti r ed p eopl e .Whe n  you' re ho ld i ng down multiple jobsan d
rais ing k ids at the sa me time, t h e CSA subs crip t io n  may be cheape r and 
healthier ,  but italsorequires  time you d on't hav e.Mer cha nto f fe rings in thea r ea r ef lect th isreality , a ndsoeve nsomeone w ith thein te nt  t o e at
he a lthily w il l f in d t hat a v ailabi lityof h ea lt h y f ood iss ub s t anti al ly  low er. 
We ar e fo r tun ate inthat we h ave there so urces w ith which toab stract _ma ny _
a nnoyin g detailsaway from our lives sow e can c onc entra te o n the imp ort ant
th ing s : good  bodil y hea lt h,m e ntalw e ll -be in g, and the s uch . Mos tof t he
popu lation isn't so lu c ky. 

~~~
mhartlDid  poo r pe opl e  1 0 0 y ea r s a g o  have the sameproblem? I  d o ub t it. Butt oda y, 
poor p eople i n Ame r ica are  _fatter_  than ric hpeop l e . F at poor pe ople? Th ere's
som e thing st range  go ing on  h ere ...
~~~
po t ato licio us
> _ "F at poo r peo pl e?"_

Th is seems only incredibl e beca use y oudon't und ers t and  the mech anic s of being 
po or. 

Con tra r y topopu l ar  be l ief,them ain bottl e ne cko f  b eing poor i s n otacces s t o 
food- th e market has solv e d that part re mark a b lywel l , an dfarming
improv eme nt s througho ut  the last c entury ( Bo r laugis per haps r ollingi n  h i s
grav e) m ean s that fo odin general  i ss o chea p th at  every one in a de v e loped
country ha s acc e s s toi t.
Thema in bott l enec k of
 to_eat healthily_in poor neighborhoods, it_takes a__lot__of
work -_a_lot more work_than it does_for a wealthy person_living in a_wealthy
place._I've observed this in myself: I gained _enormous_ amounts of weight
while living in a_poor,_working-class neighborhood,_and_promptly_shed it once
I moved to_a wealthy upper middle-class neighborhood._I've bounced_back and
forth between poor areas and rich areas_since_then, and the_pattern has so far
held up.

But, anecdotes not equivalent to_data, etc etc.

In a upper-middle class_neighborhood healthy diets_practically_come_after you
with a baseball_bat. It's steeped in the general_consciousness of the area,
support by people_who possess the freedom of finance, time,_and effort to
think about such things,_and it's supported by the_merchants in_the area.

The same is not_true in poor_neighborhoods, where_fast is king_to a population
of overworked and tired_people. When you're_holding down multiple jobs and
raising kids_at_the same time,_the_CSA_subscription may_be cheaper and
healthier,_but_it also_requires_time you don't have. Merchant offerings_in_the
area reflect this reality, and so even_someone with the intent_to_eat
healthily will find that_availability of healthy food is_substantially lower.

We are fortunate in that_we have_the resources_with which to abstract _many_
annoying details away from our lives so_we can concentrate on the important
things:_good bodily health, mental_well-being, and_the_such. Most of_the
population_isn't so_lucky.

~~~
mhartl
Did poor people 100 years ago have_the same_problem? I doubt it. But today,
poor_people in America are__fatter__than rich people. Fat poor people?_There's
something strange going on here...

~~~
potatolicious
> _"Fat_poor people?"_

This seems only incredible_because_you_don't understand the mechanics of_being
poor.

Contrary to popular belief, the main_bottleneck of being_poor is not access to
food - the_market_has solved that part remarkably well,_and_farming
improvements throughout the last century (Borlaug_is_perhaps_rolling in his
grave) means that_food in general is so cheap_that everyone in a developed
country has access to it.

The_main bottleneck of