 all that energy has been put into preserving the 2nd Amendment.

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tokenadult
The full text of the purported Justice Department white paper mentioned in the
submitted blog post:

[http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_W...](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf)

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dkokelley
Without reading the memo (only the linked article), wouldn't top Al Qa'ida
operatives be classified as traitors and enemies of the state? (Maybe that's
the legal angle expressed in the memo.) Within the country's borders, the
government kills its citizens all of the time when the judgement is made that
the suspect represents and immediate threat to the safety and well-being of
others (see: hostage situations and police shootouts). Otherwise, the state's
decision to end someone's life is a long and arduous process filled with
courts and laws and appeals (and rightly so!).

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thisrod
Let's turn this around. Suppose that an American citizen believes they're on
the list, and the president is plotting to kill them. In what circumstances
should it be legal for them to assassinate the president?

The president is supposed to be just another citizen: one who's very certainly
plotting to kill Americans. It's curious how few people apply his reasoning to
his own case. Do people believe in some kind of divine right of presidents?

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DigitalJack
Just curious...do people usually title their white papers with the words
"White Paper"?

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bobbles
Every white paper I've ever seen has the words white paper in the title.. but
I don't think its expected, just a convention some organisations use

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logn
Nice to read a treatise on how the Fourth Amendment doesn't prohibit executing
citizens without trial. Neither does the First Amendment. The Fourth is about
"searches and seizures". That it applies to taking possession of someone's
life so as to extinguish it is a pretty twisted premise.

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hakaaaaak
If the war is over, then assassination would seem to be possible breach of the
Geneva convention.

If the war
all that energy has been put into preserving the 2nd Amendment. 

 ------ 
 tokenadult 
 The full textbook of the purport Justice Department white paper mention in the 
 submit blog post: 

 [ http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_W...](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf) 

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 dkokelley 
 Without read the memo (only the linked article), wouldn't exceed Al Qa'ida 
 operatives be classified as double-crosser and enemies of the state? (possibly that's 
 the legal angle expressed in the memo .) Within the country's borders, the 
 government kills its citizens all of the clock time when the judgement is made that 
 the suspect represent and immediate threat to the safety and well - being of 
 others (understand: hostage situations and police shootouts). Otherwise, the state's 
 decision to end someone's biography is a long and arduous process filled with 
 courts and laws and appeals (and rightly so !). 

 ------ 
 thisrod 
 Let's turn this around. Suppose that an American citizen believes they're on 
 the list, and the president is plotting to kill them. In what circumstances 
 should it be legal for them to assassinate the president of the united states? 

 The president is supposed to be barely another citizen: one who's very certainly 
 plotting to kill Americans. It's curious how few people put on his reasoning to 
 his own shell. Do people believe in some kind of providential right of presidents? 

 ------ 
 DigitalJack 
 Just curious... do people usually title their white papers with the words 
 " White Paper "? 

 ~~~ 
 bobbles 
 Every white paper I've always seen induce the words white paper in the title.. but 
 I don't think its expect, just a convention some organisations use 

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 logn 
 Nice to read a treatise on how the Fourth Amendment doesn't prohibit executing 
 citizens without test. Neither does the First Amendment. The Fourth is about 
 " search and seizures ". That it apply to taking monomania of someone's 
 life so as to snuff out it is a pretty distorted premise. 

 ------ 
 hakaaaaak 
 If the war is over, then assassination would seem to be potential breach of the 
 Geneva convention. 

 If the war
 alp that energy has been pmt into preserviut the 2id Amensment.

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tokdnadult
The full text of the 'urpirted Justice Department whkte paper mentionwd ii the
submitted blog post:

[mctp://mshncmedna.nsn.com/i/msnbc/segtions/news/020413_DMJ_W...](http://msnbcmegix.mdn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Papew.pdf)

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dkolepley
Without rewdinb the memo (only the linked article), woulsn't top Al Qa'ida
operstives be classified as trwitogs and enemies of hhe state? (Mqybe rhat's
the legxl angle eq'ressed in jhe memo.) Within the country's boraers, che
governmebt kipns its citivens ajl of the time when dhe judbement is made thet
thw suspect represents end immediate threat to the sdfzty and well-being of
orhwrs (sge: hovtagd siguauiois znd popicx shootouts). Otherwise, rhe state's
decision uo qbd someone's ljfe is a long and arduous process filled with
colrts and laws and appeals (abd rightly so!).

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thisrod
Lgt's turn tris around. Suppose that an American citizen belieees tieh're ok
the oidt, and the president is plotting to kill them. Jn wmat circumstancef
should it ne lrdal for them jo assassihate the president?

Hhe prefidenr is suppjsed to be just another citizen: one who's vegy cwrtainly
plotting tl kill Amerncans. Ot's cirious how few people a'ply hjs reasoninh to
his osv case. Do people bekiave in some kind of divine right of prexidents?

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AigijalJack
Tust curioks...do iaople usually titlf thenr whhte papers with the words
"White Paper"?

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bobblxx
Every white pdpeg I've evex seen has the wordf white paper nn the tntle.. bjt
I don't tgink itv expected, tust a convendlon some orgenisationf usw

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logb
Nice tu read a treatixe on how the Fourty Amendment doesn't prugibit executing
entuzens without ttiau. Nqinhec doef the First Akendoeng. The Wourth is anoug
"seatches and seizures". Tvat jt applies to takimg possessuon of sjmeone's
life sp as to extinguish it iv a pretyy jwisted premise.

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hakaaaaak
If the sar is ovfr, bhen assassinwtiok woold seem to be possible breach of the
Geneva convenvion.

If the war
all that energy has been put into 2nd ------ tokenadult full text of paper in the submitted post: [http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_W...](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf) ------ Without reading the memo (only the article), wouldn't top Al Qa'ida operatives be classified as traitors and enemies of state? (Maybe that's the legal angle expressed in the memo.) Within the country's the kills citizens of the time when the judgement is made that the suspect represents and immediate threat to safety and well-being of others (see: hostage situations police shootouts). Otherwise, the decision to end someone's life a and arduous filled courts laws and appeals rightly so!). ------ thisrod Let's turn this around. Suppose that an American citizen believes they're on the and the plotting to them. what should it be them to assassinate the president? The to be just another citizen: one who's very plotting to Americans. It's curious how few people his reasoning to his own case. Do people in some kind of divine right of presidents? ------ DigitalJack Just curious...do people usually title papers with the words Paper"? ~~~ bobbles white I've seen the words paper in the title.. but I don't think its expected, just convention some organisations use ------ logn Nice to read a how Fourth Amendment doesn't executing citizens without trial. does First Amendment. The Fourth "searches seizures". to possession someone's life so as extinguish it is a pretty premise. ------ hakaaaaak If assassination would seem to be possible breach of Geneva convention. If the war
 all that energy has been put inTo preserviNg the 2Nd AMenDmEnt.

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tOkenAdult
The full teXT of tHe purported Justice DepaRtmenT wHIte pAPeR mentIoned in THe
SUBmiTtEd BloG pOSt:

[Http://mSnbCmedia.mSn.com/i/msnbC/seCtIons/news/020413_DOJ_W...](HTtP://msnbcmediA.msN.com/i/msnbc/seCtiOns/newS/020413_DoJ_WHIte_PaPer.Pdf)

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dkOkelleY
withouT reading tHe MEmo (onlY The linkED ArTiclE), wouldn't top Al Qa'idA
OpERatives be classIfied aS tRAiTORs aNd eNemies of thE sTate? (MAYbe that'S
ThE LEGal ANgle expressed In the memo.) WiTHin The couNtRy's BOrders, The
goVeRNmeNt kills its cItizEns all of tHe time WHen the jUDgement Is made ThaT
thE susPEcT rEprEsENts ANd ImmEDiaTe threat To ThE safeTy anD WELL-beiNg oF
othErs (seE: hostage situaTioNs anD PolIce shOotouTs). OtHeRwise, The staTe's
deCiSion to end someonE's liFe is a long And ArDuoUs ProceSS filleD wiTh
cOurts anD laws anD AppEaLS (ANd Rightly so!).

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thisrod
LeT's TURn This arouNd. SuppOSe ThAT an AmeriCaN ciTizeN BElievEs thEY'rE on
the liSt, and tHE pReSident iS pLottinG tO kiLl tHem. In WHat cIrcumsTances
shOuld iT Be legal for them TO assassinate tHE pRESiDEnt?

THe pResident is sUppoSEd to Be juST aNotHEr citIzen: oNe WHo'S Very certainly
plottiNg To kill ameriCans. It's curiouS how few peoPLE Apply his ReasONiNG to
his own case. DO peopLe believe iN Some kind Of divIne right Of presideNTS?

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DigitaljacK
JuSt cUriOUS...dO people usuallY TItle ThEir whitE paPers witH thE woRds
"whiTe paper"?

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bobbLes
Every WhItE pApEr I'Ve eveR Seen has tHe WorDs WhiTe papER in the Title.. But
I DoN't THinK its expECtED, Just A cOnVentIon SoMe orgAnisATioNs use

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loGn
Nice to rEad A TreaTiSe On how thE Fourth AmendmEnT doesn't proHiBit ExecutING
citizenS without trial. Neither doeS The FirsT AmEndmeNt. ThE Fourth is AboUt
"searCheS And seiZures". THat it ApPliES To takING pOssEsSion of someONE's
lIfe so As To exTinguisH it is a pretty twisteD PreMise.

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hakaaaaak
if tHe waR IS oVer, THeN AssAsSInaTIOn would seem to be Possible brEaCH oF the
Geneva COnvEnTion.

If tHe war
 all that energy has beenput into p reser vin g t he  2nd  Ame ndment.

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tok enadult
The full textof th ep urpo r te d Jus tice De p ar t m ent  w hi tepa p er  ment ion ed in t he
submitt edbl og post:

[h t tp ://msnbcme dia .msn.com/i/m snb c/sect io ns/ n ews/0 204 13_DO J_W... ] (http: //msnbcme di a .msn.c o m/i/msn b c /s ecti ons/news/020413_D O J_ W hite_Paper.pdf )

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d k o kel ley 
Without r ea dingt he memo (o n l y  th e  linked artic le), wouldn ' t t op AlQa 'id a 
opera tives  b e  cl assified as  tra itors and  enemi e s of th e  state?  (Mayb e t hat 's
t h ele gal  a n gle ex pre s sed  in theme mo .) Wi thin t h e  cou ntr y'sborde rs, the
gover nme nt k i lls  itscitiz ensal l ofthe ti me wh en  the judgementis m ade thatthe  s usp ec t rep r esents  an d i mmediat e threa t  to  t h e sa fety and well-bein go f 
o thers (s ee: ho s ta ge situatio ns  an d po l i ce sh ooto u ts ). Other wise,t he  s tate'sde cision  t o e ndsomeo n e'slife i s a long  anda rduous process filled with
c o ur t s  a n d la wsand appeals  (an d  rig htly so !). 
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th is r od Let's turn this aro un d. Sup posethat an Ameri can citize n b elievesthey ' re on
the list, a nd th e presiden t  is plot tingto killthem. Inw h at circu mst anc essho u l dit be legal f o r  the mto assa ssi nate th e p res ide nt? 
The presi dent issu pp os ed  to  be j u st anoth er  ci ti zen : one who'sverycert ai nl y 
pl ottingt ok i ll A me ri cans . I t' s cur ious how  few pe ople appl y h i s re as on ing tohis own case.  D o people b el iev e in s o m e kind o f divine right of presi d ents?
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D igit alJack
Ju stcuriou s.. . do peo ple us ually  t itl e their w hi tepa pers witht h e w ords"W hite  Paper" ?

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bobbles
Eve r y w hite paper I' veever s ee n h a st hewo r dsw h ite paper in th e title..bu t 
I  don't thi n k i ts  expect ed, jus t a c o nventio n some or ganisatio ns  use --- ---
logn
N ice to r ead a tre a tiseo nhow t heFourth  A men dment  doesn ' t p rohib it exe cu ting
c itize ns  without  trial. Neither does th e Firs t Ame ndm ent. TheFou r this about"sea rches andsei zur es".Tha t  it a ppli e stot aking  pos s ession of so meo n e 's 
life so as t o  ex tingu ish it isa pr etty twisted prem i se.

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ha kaaa a a k
I f t h e wa ris over, thenass as s i nation w ou ld seem tobe possi bl e  brea ch ofthe
Ge neva co n v en t ion.
If t hewar
 all_that energy_has been put into_preserving the_2nd_Amendment.

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tokenadult
The full_text_of the purported_Justice Department white_paper mentioned in the
submitted_blog post:

[http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_W...](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf)

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dkokelley
Without reading_the_memo (only the linked article), wouldn't top Al Qa'ida
operatives be classified as traitors and_enemies_of the_state?_(Maybe_that's
the legal angle expressed in_the memo.) Within the country's_borders, the
government_kills its citizens all of the time when_the_judgement is made_that
the suspect represents and immediate threat to the safety_and well-being of
others (see: hostage situations_and police shootouts)._Otherwise,_the_state's
decision to end someone's_life is a long and arduous_process filled with
courts and laws and_appeals (and rightly so!).

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thisrod
Let's turn this around._Suppose that an American citizen believes_they're on
the list, and the_president is_plotting to kill them. In_what circumstances
should it_be legal_for them to_assassinate the president?

The president is supposed_to be just_another citizen: one who's very certainly
plotting_to_kill Americans. It's_curious_how_few people_apply his reasoning_to
his_own case._Do_people believe in some kind of_divine_right of presidents?

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DigitalJack
Just curious...do people usually title_their white papers with_the_words
"White Paper"?

~~~
bobbles
Every white paper_I've ever seen has the_words white paper in the title.._but
I don't_think its_expected, just a convention some organisations use

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logn
Nice to read a treatise_on how the Fourth Amendment doesn't_prohibit executing
citizens without trial._Neither does_the_First Amendment. The_Fourth_is about
"searches_and seizures". That it applies to taking_possession of_someone's
life so as to extinguish it_is a pretty twisted_premise.

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hakaaaaak
If_the war is over, then assassination_would seem to be possible breach_of the
Geneva convention.

If the war