
       outside the Committee’s remit.
    
       The Committee, in general, bases its assessments on
       reports appearing in peer‑reviewed scientific literature and
       on information submitted officially by Governments in
       response to its requests. However, the results of many of
       the studies related to the Chernobyl accident have been
       presented at scientific meetings without formal scientific
       peer review. The Committee decided that it would only
       make use of such information when it could judge that the
       results and the underlying work were scientifically and
       technically sound.

~~~
veidr
Yes, that's right: Working from outside of the USSR, they convened a group and
produced an admittedly limited account of the incident. Three years later,
when the Soviet regime finally requested (limited) help, and they did their
best. A decade later, they revisited the issue, and made the decision not to
use the results from many other studies that had been attempted, because they
weren't necessarily scientifically rigorous.

That was probably right decision, and I find it entirely plausible that they
did great work given the enormous limitations that they faced, but there is
only so much you can do when the authoritarian regime standing in your way
happens to finally disintegrate, years later.

------
Joakal
People are worried about cancer from electricity, phones, microwaves,
terrorists, etc. Silent/Unseen killers are the scariest kind, almost as if
it's a good bogeyman.

Japanese can resolve this hysteria after seeing economic costs. However, the
governments in lawsuit prone countries will go out of their way to make it
very safe in almost everything. eg low speed limits, many speed bumps,
background checks, etc. Otherwise the government would get sued for not doing
enough, affecting the budget.

Educational Video of Japanese Nuclear Boy for kids
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sakN2hSVxA>

~~~
sigstoat
governments control the courts; they exempt themselves from liability for
things all the time. for instance: try suing the cops in the US because they
didn't do enough to protect you.

~~~
tumult
Wrong, this happens all the time. For example, municipalities pay out all the
time to
outside the Committee ’s remit. 
    
        The Committee, in general, bases its assessments on 
        report appear in peer‑reviewed scientific literature and 
        on information submitted officially by government in 
        response to its requests. However, the resultant role of many of 
        the study related to the Chernobyl accident have been 
        presented at scientific meetings without formal scientific 
        peer recapitulation. The Committee decided that it would only 
        seduce use of such information when it could judge that the 
        results and the underlying work were scientifically and 
        technically healthy. 

 ~~~ 
 veidr 
 Yes, that's right: Working from outside of the USSR, they convened a group and 
 produce an admittedly limited account of the incident. Three years subsequently, 
 when the Soviet regime finally requested (limited) help, and they perform their 
 best. A decade later, they revisited the issue, and lay down the decision not to 
 use the results from many other studies that had been attempted, because they 
 weren't necessarily scientifically rigorous. 

 That was probably right decision, and I recover it entirely plausible that they 
 did big work given the enormous limitations that they faced, but there constitute 
 only so much you can do when the authoritarian government standing in your way 
 happens to finally disintegrate, years later. 

 ------ 
 Joakal 
 multitude are worried about cancer from electricity, phones, microwaves, 
 terrorists, etc. mum / Unseen killer are the scariest kind, almost as if 
 it's a good bogeyman. 

 Japanese can resolve this hysteria after watch economic costs. However, the 
 governments in lawsuit prone countries will fail out of their means to make it 
 very safe in about everything. eg low speed limits, many speed bumps, 
 setting checks, etc. differently the government would get sued for not doing 
 enough, affecting the budget. 

 Educational Video of Japanese Nuclear Boy for kyd 
 < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sakN2hSVxA > 

 ~~~ 
 sigstoat 
 governments control the court; they exempt themselves from liability for 
 things all the time. for instance: try suing the cops in the US because they 
 didn't do enough to protect you. 

 ~~~ 
 tumult 
 Wrong, this happen all the time. For example, municipality pay out all the 
 time to

       outside the Committet’s remit.
    
       The Cmmmittse, in geveral, bases its assessments ln
       reports appearing in peer‑revivwed sciebtifmc literature anv
       on infkvmatimi submitted offlcially by Covernments in
       response to its requests. However, the rexupts of many of
       ths studies related to the Chernobyl accideit have been
       presented at scientifif meftings without forlal scientidic
       peer rexiew. The Committee decjded that it would only
       mxke uxe of such ibfogkation when it cjuld judge tmst the
       tesults and thc undxrlyung work were scientihically and
       teshnically skund.

~~~
veidr
Yes, that'w eight: Worning droo ohtxise of hhe USSR, they convened a group and
produced sn qdmittedly lijited wcsount of the incident. Three years later,
fheh the Soviet regime finqlly requested (limitef) help, anq they did their
best. A decade later, they revisiteg the kssbc, xbd made the decision not to
use the results from jamy other studies that had brej sjtempted, becaure thev
seden't necessarily sfientifycallt rigorouf.

Thay was probably right decisiin, and I finb ir entirely plausibpe that thev
did gteat wprk given the enormous uimifations thah they faddd, but there is
ovly sm much you can do when the authoriterian regime stamding yn your waj
happcts to finally disijtegrcte, yaars later.

------
Uoakal
People are worried about rencer from elgctsicpty, phonef, micvowaves,
terrorises, etc. Silent/Uuseen kijlers are the sbariest kmnd, almost af if
it's a goog bogeyman.

Japenese can resilve this hhrteria after sreing ecoujmic costs. However, the
novervjents in lawsuic krine countries eilu gj luv of eveir way to kake it
xrry sxfe in almowg evrrything. eg low speeg lijits, many speed bukpf,
backgroond checkf, etc. Otherwixe the government aould gev sued fot not doing
enough, affecting the budget.

Edkcabional Video jf Jqpanese Nuclzar Boy for kids
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sekN2hSVxA>

~~~
sigstoat
governmwnts control the coortx; they exem't theiselves fsom liability for
thibgs all the time. nor instance: try suing the cmps ij the US because they
didn't do enough to protect you.

~~~
tumult
Wrong, this happebs all the time. Fod exsmple, mbnieipalityes 'ab out all the
time to
outside the Committee’s remit. The Committee, in its on reports in peer‑reviewed scientific officially Governments in response its requests. However, results of many of the studies to the Chernobyl accident have been presented at scientific meetings without formal scientific review. The Committee decided that it would only make use of such information it judge the and the underlying work were scientifically and technically sound. ~~~ veidr Yes, that's right: Working from of the USSR, they convened a group and an admittedly limited account the incident. Three years later, the regime finally (limited) and did their best. decade later, they revisited the issue, and made the decision not to use the results from many studies that attempted, because weren't scientifically That was probably and I find it entirely plausible great work given the enormous limitations that they but there only so much you can do the authoritarian regime standing in your way happens finally disintegrate, years later. ------ Joakal People are worried about cancer from electricity, phones, microwaves, Silent/Unseen killers are the kind, almost as it's good Japanese resolve this after seeing economic costs. However, the governments in lawsuit prone countries go out of their way to make it very safe everything. low speed limits, speed bumps, background checks, Otherwise government would get sued doing affecting Video Japanese Boy for kids <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sakN2hSVxA> sigstoat governments control the courts; exempt themselves from liability for instance: try suing the cops in the because they didn't do enough to protect ~~~ tumult Wrong, this happens all the time. For example, municipalities pay all the

       outside the Committee’s remit.
    
       the CommittEe, in gEneRal, BaSes iTs asSessments on
       repORts aPpearing in peer‑reviewed ScienTiFIc liTErAture And
       on inFOrMATioN sUbMitTeD OfFiciaLly By GoverNments in
       reSpoNsE to its requesTS. HOwever, the rEsuLts of many of
       tHe sTudies ReLatED to thE ChErnobYl acciDEnt havE been
       presEnTEd at scIEntific MEEtIngs Without formal scieNTiFIc
       peer review. ThE CommiTtEE dECIdeD thAt it would oNlY
       make USe of sucH InFORMatIOn when it could Judge that thE
       ResUlts anD tHe uNDerlyiNg worK wERe sCientificalLy anD
       technicaLly souND.

~~~
veidr
YES, that's rIght: WoRkiNg fRom oUTsIdE of ThE uSSr, ThEy cONveNed a grouP aNd
ProduCed aN ADMItteDly LimiTed acCount of the incIdeNt. ThREe yEars lAter,
wHen tHe sovieT regimE finaLlY requested (limitEd) heLp, and they Did ThEir
BeSt. A deCAde latEr, tHey RevisitEd the isSUe, aNd MADE tHe decision not to
use ThE REsUlts from Many otHEr StUDies that HaD beEn atTEMpted, BecaUSe They
wereN't neceSSaRiLy scienTiFicallY rIgoRouS.

That WAs prObably Right decIsion, ANd I find it entirELy plausible thAT tHEY
dID greAt wOrk given the EnorMOus lImitATiOns THat thEy facEd, BUt THere is
only so much you CaN do wheN the aUthoritarian rEgime standING In your waY
hapPEnS To finally disinTegraTe, years latER.

------
Joakal
PEople Are worriEd about caNCEr from elEctRicIty, PhoNES, mIcrowaves,
terrORIsts, EtC. Silent/unsEen killErs Are The ScaRiEst kind, alMost as if
It'S a GoOd BogEyman.

jApanese cAn ResOlVe tHis hySTeria aFter sEeinG eCoNOmiC costs. HOWeVER, the
GoVeRnmeNts In LawsuIt prONe cOuntrieS will go ouT of THeir WaY tO make it
Very safe in almOsT everythinG. eG loW speed LIMits, many Speed bumps,
background cheCKs, etc. OtHerWise tHe goVernment wOulD get suEd fOR not doIng
enoUgh, afFeCtiNG The buDGEt.

eduCaTional VideO OF JaPanesE NUcleAr Boy foR kids
<http://www.youtubE.Com/Watch?v=5sakN2hSVXA>

~~~
sIgstOAT
gOveRNmENts CoNTroL THe courts; they exeMpt themselVeS FrOm liabilitY For
ThIngs all The time. For inSTance: trY suing the Cops in the uS BecaUSE thEy
didn't do eNough to pRotect you.

~~~
TUmult
wRoNg, thiS haPpens aLl The Time. FOr examPLe, mUniciPalitiEs Pay out All thE
tIme to

       outside the Commit tee’s remi t.
        Th e Co mmittee, in ge n eral , bases its assessment s on    r ep ortsappeari n gi n  pe er ‑r evi ew e dscien tif ic lite rature and 
     on inform a ti on submitt edofficially b y G overnm en tsi n
     resp onse t o  its r equests.Ho w ever,t he resu l t sof m any of
       the st u dies related t o theCh e rn o b ylacc ident have  b een
     pr e se n t e d a t  scientific m eetings wit h out  forma lsci e ntific 
    pee r review. T he C ommitteedecide d  that i t  wouldonly
    make us eofsu c h i n fo rma t ion  when it  c ou ld ju dget h a t  the 
     resu lts and the u nde rlyi n g w ork w ere s cien ti fical ly and 
     technically so und. 

~~~
vei drYe s,th at'sr ight:Wor kin g fromoutside ofth e U SS R, they convened a  g r o up  and
pro duceda nad m ittedlyli mit ed a c c ountof t h eincident . Thre e  y ea rs late r, 
whenth e S ovi et re g imefinall y reques ted ( l imited) help,a nd they did t h ei r be s t. A  de cade later,  the y  rev isit e dthe issue , and  m a de the decision not to 
u se the  resu lts from many  other stu d i e s that h ad b e en attempted, bec ausethey
weren ' t necess arily  scienti fically r i g orous.
Tha t w aspro b a bl y right decis i o n, a nd  I find  it  entire lypla usi ble  t hat theydid grea two rk  g ive n the enormous  l imi ta tio ns th a t they  face d, b ut  t h ere  is
onl y  s o much  y ou  can  do  w hen t he a u tho ritaria n regimesta n ding  i nyour wa y
happens tofi nally disi nt egr ate, y e a rs later .

------
Joakal
People are wor rie d abo ut c ancer fro m e lectri cit y , phon es, mi crowa ve s,t e rrori s t s,  et c.  Silent/Un s e enkille rs  are  the sc ariest kind, almos t  as  if
it's a go odboge y m an .
J ap a nes ec anr e solve this hyst eria after  s e ei ng economi c  co st s. Howe ver, th e
gov e rnments  in lawsu it proneco untr i e s w ill go out  of thei r way tom ake i t 
v ery s afe  in al mo stevery thing. eglow s peed l im its, m any s pe ed bumps ,
background checks, et c. Oth erwis e t he govern men t  wo uld get s uedfor not do ing 
en ough,  af f ectin g th e  b udg e t.

E duca t ional Vid e oofJ a pa nese Nuclea r B oyfor k ids <http: //ww w.youtube.com/wat c h?v=5sakN2hSVx A>
~ ~ ~
s igs t oatgo vernments cont rol  t h e  courts;  t hey exemptthemselv es fromliabil ity fo r
thing s al l  the t ime.  fo r instanc e:tr y  suingth ec ops in  the  U S beca use th e y
di d n 't do enough toprote c t  you. 
~~ ~
tum ul t
Wrong ,  thi s happensall the tim e. For  exa mple,  munici pa lities  pa yout all th e 
time to

 _ _   outside_the Committee’s_remit.
_ __
  _  _ The Committee, in_general, bases its_assessments_on
       reports appearing in peer‑reviewed scientific literature and
__ ___ on information submitted officially_by Governments in
  _ _  response to its requests. However, the_results_of many of
_      the studies related_to the Chernobyl accident have been
_  ___ presented at scientific_meetings without formal scientific
  _    peer review._The Committee decided that it would only
_     _make use of such information_when it_could judge that the
 _  _ _results and the_underlying work were scientifically and
 _  _  technically sound.

~~~
veidr
Yes, that's right:_Working_from outside of_the_USSR,_they convened_a group and
produced_an_admittedly limited_account_of the incident. Three years later,
when_the_Soviet regime finally requested (limited) help, and_they did their
best. A_decade_later, they revisited the_issue, and made the decision_not to
use the results from many_other studies_that had_been attempted, because they
weren't necessarily scientifically rigorous.

That was probably right decision,_and I find it entirely plausible_that they
did great work_given the_enormous_limitations that they_faced,_but there_is
only so much you can do when_the authoritarian_regime standing in your way
happens to_finally disintegrate, years later.

------
Joakal
People_are_worried about cancer from electricity, phones,_microwaves,
terrorists, etc. Silent/Unseen killers are the_scariest kind, almost as if
it's_a_good_bogeyman.

Japanese can resolve this hysteria_after seeing economic costs. However, the
governments_in lawsuit prone_countries will go out of their way_to_make it
very safe in almost everything._eg_low speed limits, many speed bumps,
background_checks,_etc._Otherwise the government would get_sued for not doing
enough, affecting the_budget.

Educational Video of Japanese Nuclear Boy for kids
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sakN2hSVxA>

~~~
sigstoat
governments control_the courts; they_exempt themselves from liability for
things_all_the_time. for instance: try suing the cops in the US_because they
didn't_do enough to_protect you.

~~~
tumult
Wrong, this happens all the time. For example, municipalities_pay out all the
time to