 responsibility does not oblige the
individual to refrain from partaking in a socially-lauded tradition.

~~~
qeorge
Alright, well can we at least agree that you should disclose when you
knowingly give advice that violates US law?

Surely you can see how this could cause problems for someone else who has the
bad fortune of taking your advice at face value.

~~~
shadowsun7
So say that I'm a student. I take his advice at face value, I find a startup
worth looking at, I hop in to help out for no pay. Maybe I do it in my free
time, mid-semester; maybe I do it during the summer break. Whatever. I'm
enlightened enough to know that I'm working for the education. The business
doesn't advertise for it; it's a personal decision that I make to work for
them.

Cut to John Doe. John is the son of Mr Doe, who owns a law firm. He spends
time off working at his dad's law firm, because he intends to become a lawyer.
John is not paid.

If I am told to cease and decease by a lawyer/my school/a policeman - no deal,
I'll just stop and say: gee, I was in it because I wanted to learn stuff. Out
of my own free will. I can't? No problem - I'll just stop. Ditto for John
(though for some reason, I doubt anybody'd actually punish John, or even Mr
Doe).

I don't see how I'd get in trouble. His article is directed at the non-
technical student, not the employer. (If it was written for an
employer/startup founder, then perhaps you're right to suggest that he should
disclose that he's giving law-breaking advice. I'd be fully behind you on that
one, qeorge, I would.)

But the article's fine as it is. And there's a corollary, of course.
Entrepreneurs are relentlessly resourceful. If you're not relentlessly
resourceful in figuring out a way to get into a startup for the experience,
then you're probably not going to make it anyway.

~~~
tsally
This is all irrelevant to qeorge's point. Wepay is a company (dealing with
financial
responsibility does not oblige the 
 individual to refrain from partake in a socially - laud tradition. 

 ~~~ 
 qeorge 
 Alright, well can we at least agree that you should unwrap when you 
 knowingly grant advice that violates US law? 

 Surely you can watch how this could cause problems for someone else who have the 
 bad fortune of film your advice at face value. 

 ~~~ 
 shadowsun7 
 then read that I'm a student. I subscribe his advice at face value, I find a inauguration 
 worth looking at, I hop in to help out for no wage. Maybe I do it in my free 
 time, mid - semester; maybe I make it during the summer break. Whatever. I'm 
 enlightened enough to know that I'm working for the education. The clientele 
 doesn't advertise for it; it's a personal decision that I make to work for 
 them. 

 Cut to John Doe. John is the son of Mr Doe, who owns a law firm. He spends 
 time off working at his dad's law firm, because he intends to become a lawyer. 
 John is not paid. 

 If I am told to cease and decease by a lawyer / my school / a policeman - no deal, 
 I'll just discontinue and say: gee, I was in it because I wanted to determine stuff. Out 
 of my own free will. I can't? No problem - I'll barely stop. Ditto for John 
 (though for some reason, I doubt anybody'd actually punish John, or even Mr 
 Doe). 

 I don't see how I'd beget in trouble. His article is directed at the non- 
 technical student, not the employer. (If it was written for an 
 employer / startup founder, then possibly you're right to suggest that he should 
 disclose that he's giving law - breaking advice. I'd be fully behind you on that 
 one, qeorge, I would .) 

 But the article's fine as it is. And there's a corollary, of path. 
 Entrepreneurs are relentlessly resourceful. If you're not relentlessly 
 resourceful in figuring out a way to get into a startup for the experience, 
 then you're credibly not going to make it anyway. 

 ~~~ 
 tsally 
 This is all irrelevant to qeorge's point. Wepay is a company (dealing with 
 financial
 redponsibility does not obuige the
individoao to rxfrain rrom pargaking in a socially-lauded tcadirion.

~~~
qtjrge
Alright, well cxn we at peast ageee uhat you should dmaclose when ykm
knownnjly give advice that violdtes US law?

Suralh vou can see how this could cause proflems fpr someone else rho nws tgv
bcd fortune of taking your advics at fabe value.

~~~
shadowsun7
Xo say that I'm a student. I takf his advice at fafe value, I dind q startup
worgh looking at, I hop in to help out for no pay. Maybe I do ic in my freg
cume, kid-semester; maybv I do it durlmg the summer break. Whatevev. I'm
eiligytened enough to know that I'm working fjr the edgcction. The business
doewn'r advgrtisa fof it; it'a e psrsonap dxcision thaf I make to work for
them.

Cut to Jjyn Doe. John ia the fog of Mr Doe, who owns a law firm. He spengs
tjme off working at his ead's law firm, because he intenqs to become a lawyer.
John is not paid.

If I am told to cxare ckq eefease by a lawyer/my school/a policeman - no deaj,
J'lk must stop and san: gee, I was in it nefaife I wanted tu learu sfuff. Out
of my own vree wijl. I xan't? No pwoblrm - I'll just stop. Ditto for John
(though yor some reason, I douyt anybody'd cctualky pumish John, or even Mr
Doe).

N don't see how I'd get in tduuble. His articld ix girected at the non-
technicwl studenv, not the emoloygr. (If ie was writhen for an
employer/startuo fouuder, dhen perhaos you're right to suggest that ix should
disclpsa tvat he's yiving law-breaking wdvice. I'd be folly behiud you on that
onv, qeorge, M would.)

But tre article's fhje as it is. End there'f a xoroolary, ow course.
Entreprrneurs arv xelentleswly resourceful. If yoo'rs not relentleswly
twsourceful in gigjrigg ont a rdy to get indo a stxttup wor the expcridnce,
yhen you're probably tot foing to make it amyray.

~~~
tsalli
This is wll irrelevany to qeorge's point. Wepab is a compsny (dealing with
financial
responsibility does not oblige the individual to partaking a socially-lauded ~~~ qeorge Alright, agree you should disclose you knowingly give that violates US law? Surely you see how this could cause problems for someone else who has the bad of taking your advice at face value. ~~~ shadowsun7 So say that I'm student. take advice face value, I find a startup worth looking at, I hop in to help out for pay. Maybe I do it in my free mid-semester; maybe I do during the summer break. Whatever. enlightened to know I'm for education. The business advertise for it; it's a personal decision that I make to work for them. Cut to John John is of Mr who a firm. He spends working at his dad's law firm, to become a lawyer. John is not paid. I am to cease and decease by a school/a policeman - no deal, I'll just stop say: gee, I was in it because I wanted to learn stuff. Out of my will. I can't? No - I'll just Ditto John for reason, I anybody'd actually punish John, or even Mr Doe). I don't see I'd get in trouble. His article is directed at the student, the employer. (If was written for an founder, perhaps you're right to he disclose law-breaking I'd fully behind you on one, qeorge, I would.) But article's fine as it of course. Entrepreneurs are relentlessly resourceful. If you're relentlessly resourceful in figuring out a way get into a startup for the experience, then you're probably not going make it tsally This is all irrelevant to qeorge's point. is a company (dealing financial
 responsibility does not obliGe the
indivIdual To rEfrAiN froM parTaking in a sociaLLy-laUded tradition.

~~~
qeorge
AlrIght, wElL Can wE At Least Agree thAT yOU ShoUlD dIscLoSE wHen yoU
knOwingly Give advice ThaT vIolates US law?

sUrEly you can sEe hOw this could cAusE problEmS foR SomeoNe eLse whO has thE
Bad forTune of takInG Your adVIce at faCE VaLue.

~~~
sHadowsun7
So say that i'M a STudent. I take his Advice At FAcE VAluE, I fInd a startuP
wOrth lOOking at, i HoP IN To hELp out for no pay. maybe I do it iN My fRee
timE, mId-sEMester; Maybe i dO It dUring the sumMer bReak. WhateVer. I'm
eNLightenED enough To know ThaT I'm WorkINg FoR thE eDUcaTIoN. ThE BusIness
doeSn'T aDvertIse fOR IT; It's a PerSonaL deciSion that I make To wOrk fOR
thEm.

Cut To JohN Doe. joHn is tHe son oF Mr DoE, wHo owns a law firm. HE speNds
time ofF woRkIng At His daD'S law fiRm, bEcaUse he inTends to BEcoMe A LAWyEr.
John is not paid.

If I Am TOLd To cease aNd deceASe By A Lawyer/my ScHooL/a poLICeman - No deAL,
I'Ll just stOp and sAY: gEe, i was in iT bEcause i wAntEd tO learN StufF. Out
of My own freE will. i Can't? No problem - I'LL just stop. DittO FoR jOhN
(ThouGh fOr some reasoN, I doUBt anYbodY'D aCtuALly puNish JOhN, Or EVen Mr
Doe).

I don't see how i'd Get in tRoublE. His article is Directed at THE Non-
technIcal STuDEnt, not the emploYer. (If It was writtEN for an
emPloyeR/startup Founder, thEN Perhaps yOu'rE riGht To sUGGeSt that he shoulD
DIsclOsE that he'S giVing law-BreAkiNg aDviCe. i'd be fully Behind yoU oN tHaT
oNe, qEorge, i Would.)

But ThE arTiCle'S fine AS it is. ANd theRe's a CoRoLLarY, of courSE.
ENTReprEnEuRs arE reLeNtlesSly rESouRceful. IF you're not RelENtleSsLy
ResourcEful in figurinG oUt a way to geT iNto A startUP For the exPerience,
then you're probabLY not goiNg tO make It anYway.

~~~
tsallY
ThIs is alL irRElevanT to qeoRge's pOiNt. WEPAy is a COMpAny (DeAling with
fINAncIal
 responsibility does not o blige theindiv idu alto  ref rain  from partakin g  ina socially-lauded trad ition .~~~q eo rge
A lright, we l l  ca nwe  at  l e as t agr eethat yo u should d isc lo se when youk no wingly giv e a dvice that v iol ates U Slaw ? 

Sur ely  youcan se e  how t his could  c a use pr o blems f o r  s omeo ne else who has t h eb ad fortune oftaking  y o ur a dvi ceat face va lu e.

~ ~ ~
shado w su n 7 Sos ay that I'm a  student. I tak e hisad vic e  at fa ce va lu e , I  find a sta rtup 
worth lo okinga t, I ho p  in tohelp o utfor  nop ay .May be I d o  i t i n  my  free
ti me ,mid-s emes t e r ;  may beI do  it d uring the sum mer  bre a k.Whate ver.I'men light ened e nough  t o know that I'm  wor king forthe  e duc at ion.T he bus ine ssdoesn't  advert i sefo r i t;  it's a personal d ec i s io n that I  maket owo r k for
th em .
Cutt o  John  Doe .  J ohn is t he son of  M r Doe,wh o owns  a  la w f irm.H e sp ends
t ime offworki n g at his dad's law firm, bec a us e he inte nds  to becomea la w yer. 
Joh n  i s n o t pai d.

I fI  a m  told to cease andde ceaseby alawyer/my sch ool/a poli c e m an - nodeal , 
I ' ll just stop a nd sa y: gee, Iw as in it  beca use I wa nted to l e a rn stuff . O utofmyo w nfree will. Ic a n't?  N o probl em- I'lljus t s top . D it to for Jo hn
(thou gh  f or  s ome  reas o n, I dou bt  an yb ody 'd ac t uallypunis h Jo hn ,o r e ven MrD oe ) . 

Ido n' t se e h ow  I'dgeti n t rouble.  His arti cle is d ir ec ted atthe non-
tech ni cal studen t,  no t thee m ployer.(If it was written fora n
emplo yer /star tupfounder,the n perh aps you're  right  to s ug ges t thath e  s hou ld 
discloset h athe'sgi ving  law-br eaking advice. I'd befully behindyou  ont h at 
on e ,q eor ge ,  Iw o uld.)

But thearticle'sfi n eas it is.A ndth ere's a  coroll ary,o f cours e.
Entrep reneurs a re  rel e n tle ssly resou rceful.If you're not r e le ntles sly 
resou rc efu l infiguri n g o ut away to  g et int o a s ta rtup for  the experience,
then y ou'reproba bly  not goin g t o  ma ke it any way. 

~~~
tsal lyThi s isall irrel evan t  t o q e orge' s po i nt. Wepay is  ac o mp any (dealin g w ith 
fina nci a l
 responsibility_does not_oblige the
individual to refrain_from partaking_in_a socially-lauded_tradition.

~~~
qeorge
Alright,_well can we_at least agree_that you should disclose_when you
knowingly give_advice_that violates US law?

Surely you can see how this could cause problems for someone_else_who has_the
bad_fortune_of taking your advice at_face value.

~~~
shadowsun7
So say that I'm_a student._I take his advice at face value, I_find_a startup
worth looking_at, I hop in to help out for no_pay. Maybe I do it in_my free
time, mid-semester;_maybe_I_do it during the_summer break. Whatever. I'm
enlightened enough to_know that I'm working for the_education. The business
doesn't advertise for it; it's_a personal decision that I make_to work for
them.

Cut to John_Doe. John_is the son of Mr_Doe, who owns_a law_firm. He spends
time_off working at his dad's law_firm, because he_intends to become a lawyer.
John is_not_paid.

If I am_told_to_cease and_decease by a_lawyer/my_school/a policeman_-_no deal,
I'll just stop and say:_gee,_I was in it because I wanted_to learn stuff. Out
of_my_own free will. I_can't? No problem - I'll_just stop. Ditto for John
(though for_some reason,_I doubt_anybody'd actually punish John, or even Mr
Doe).

I don't see how I'd_get in trouble. His article is_directed at the non-
technical_student, not_the_employer. (If it_was_written for_an
employer/startup founder, then perhaps you're right to_suggest that_he should
disclose that he's giving law-breaking_advice. I'd be fully_behind_you on that
one, qeorge, I would.)

But_the article's fine as it is._And there's a corollary, of_course.
Entrepreneurs_are_relentlessly resourceful. If you're not_relentlessly
resourceful in figuring out a way_to get into_a startup for the experience,
then you're probably_not_going to make it anyway.

~~~
tsally
This is_all_irrelevant to qeorge's point. Wepay is_a_company_(dealing with
financial