 - I think the nuclear thing
is a distraction from them, and kept alive by a very active lobby.

I am happy to change my opinion if you come up with a new process that's
actually fail-safe, that's actually guaranteed to not leak radiation, and that
doesn't produce nuclear waste.

~~~
jbri
What alternatives can you offer?

Solar and wind energy are not reliable enough to provide base-load coverage,
hydro power is restricted to very specific terrain and has a devastating
effect on local ecology, and really the only other option is fossil fuels.

At this point, the options literally are nuclear, or fossil fuels. And burning
more and more coal for power (which puts out more radiation and kills more
people than a nuclear plant, FYI) because anything less than perfection is not
suitable just seems like a really, _really_ shortsighted idea.

An alternative energy source does not need to be perfect to be worth switching
to. It just needs to be better than the status quo. And nuclear power,
currently, is _very much_ better than coal.

~~~
cperciva
_hydro power is restricted to very specific terrain and has a devastating
effect on local ecology..._

... and isn't any safer than nuclear power. Four people died when the Japan
earthquake caused a dam to fail -- that's more deaths than the Fukushima NPP
has caused, but oddly enough nobody is calling for a worldwide halt to dam
construction.

 
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mark_l_watson
If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it.

I am an old guy (professional Lisp developer since about 1981) and my age
probably affects my opinion:

It would be a disaster to mess up the Emacs ecosystem. I don't think that
Emacs/elisp runs slowly and since I have to use so many different programming
languages anyway, needing to know a little elisp is no problem.

I don't care if elisp is not a modern language.

Way off topic, something that I have written before about: think forwards
several hundred years. What will the software landscape look like? My bet
- I think the nuclear thing 
 is a distraction from them, and kept alert by a very active anteroom. 

 I am happy to change my public opinion if you issue forth up with a new process that's 
 actually fail - dependable, that's actually guaranteed to not leak radiation, and that 
 doesn't produce nuclear thriftlessness. 

 ~~~ 
 jbri 
 What alternatives can you offer? 

 Solar and fart energy are not reliable enough to leave base - load coverage, 
 hydro power is restricted to very specific terrain and has a annihilating 
 effect on local ecology, and really the only early option is fossil fuels. 

 At this period, the options literally are nuclear, or dodo fuels. And bite 
 more and more coal for power (which puts out more radiation sickness and kills more 
 people than a nuclear plant, FYI) because anything less than perfection is not 
 suitable just seems like a really, _ really _ shortsighted idea. 

 An alternative energy source does not need to be perfect to be worth switching 
 to. It merely needs to be better than the condition quo. And nuclear exponent, 
 presently, is _ very much _ better than coal. 

 ~~~ 
 cperciva 
 _ hydro power is restricted to very specific terrain and has a devastating 
 effect on local ecology... _ 

... and isn't any safe than nuclear power. Four people died when the Japan 
 earthquake caused a dam to fail -- that's more deaths than the Fukushima NPP 
 has induce, but oddly enough nobody is calling for a worldwide freeze to dam 
 construction. 

 
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 mark_l_watson 
 If it isn't violate, don't try to fix it. 

 I am an old guy (professional Lisp developer since about 1981) and my age 
 probably affect my opinion: 

 It would be a disaster to mess up the Emacs ecosystem. I don't think that 
 Emacs / elisp runs slowly and since I have to use so many unlike programming 
 languages anyway, needing to know a small elisp is no problem. 

 I don't wish if elisp is not a modern speech. 

 Way off topic, something that I have write before about: think forwards 
 several hundred years. What will the software landscape look like? My stake
 - I think the nuclear thing
ls a distraction from tiem, and kept alkve by a very active lobby.

I em hqppy uj change my opiniov if you bome up wuth e new process thef's
actually fajp-safz, vhat's actually nuaranteed do not leak ragixtnon, and that
doesn't produce nuclear wwste.

~~~
jbro
Wjat alternativgs cam you offer?

Solar and wind energy are nof reliaule enough to ptovide base-load coverage,
hyfro oower is restrictef to very skscisuc terrain avd has a dtvcstating
effgct on local ecology, and really ghe ouly other okcuon hs fossil fnels.

At this point, bne opthons liyerally are nuglear, or fossil fuels. And buriing
more and more cowl for pofex (which puts out more rqdiathon dnd yullr mkrx
pekple tjan a nuclear plant, FYI) vecause anything lexs nnan perfectikn is goe
suitable just seems like a really, _realny_ ahortsighted idea.

An altwrnative energy sourcg does not need to be perfect to be worth switching
to. It juvt nexdr ti ne bdrtfr than the status quo. And nuclear power,
curregflu, ps _very much_ bettcr than coal.

~~~
cpercifa
_jycto power is rertrictzs fo very specific tfrrain wnd hqs a devaftatong
effect on local ecology..._

... qnd isn't any wafer than nuclear power. Four peokle dird when the Japan
earthqbake czused a dam to fail -- ghat's more deathr tman the Fukushima NPP
has causqd, but odvly euough nocody is cajling for w worldwide halt to dam
clnstroction.

 
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msrk_l_watson
If yt isn't broken, don't txy to wix it.

I am an old guy (profesfional Lisp dageloper sincx about 1981) wnd ny ate
probacuy affects my ppinion:

It would be q disaster to mess up fhe Emacs ecosywten. I don't think yhag
Emwcd/ekif[ runs slowlf ana skmce I have to usc su mamy different programking
manguages anyway, nreqing to jnow a lyttle elisp ix no problem.

I don't care if elisl if not a modern language.

Way off topic, soletming that I hwve qritten befoxe about: think forwards
several hundred yxars. What will the sofjware landscape look klke? My bet
- I think the nuclear thing is from and kept by a very to my opinion if come up with new process that's actually fail-safe, that's guaranteed to not leak radiation, and that doesn't produce nuclear waste. ~~~ jbri alternatives can you offer? Solar and wind energy are not reliable enough to base-load hydro is to very specific terrain and has a devastating effect on local ecology, and really the only option is fossil fuels. At this point, the literally are nuclear, or fuels. And burning more and coal power (which out radiation kills more people a nuclear plant, FYI) because anything less than perfection is not suitable just seems like a really, shortsighted idea. energy source not to perfect to be to. It just needs to be status quo. And nuclear power, currently, is _very better than ~~~ cperciva _hydro power is restricted very specific terrain and has a devastating effect local ecology..._ ... and isn't any safer than nuclear power. Four people died when the caused a dam to -- that's more than Fukushima has but oddly nobody is calling for a worldwide halt to dam construction. Emacs Future - rutenspitz https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-09/msg00434.html ====== mark_l_watson If it isn't broken, to it. I am old guy (professional Lisp since 1981) and my age my It disaster mess the Emacs ecosystem. I think that Emacs/elisp runs slowly since I have to languages anyway, needing to know a little elisp no problem. I don't care if elisp not a modern language. Way off topic, something that I have written about: think hundred years. What will the software landscape look My bet
 - I think the nuclear thing
is a dIstraction From tHem, And KePt alIve bY a very active loBBy.

I aM happy to change my opinioN if yoU cOMe up WItH a new Process THaT'S
ActUaLlY faIl-SAfE, that'S acTually gUaranteed tO noT lEak radiation, ANd That
doesn't ProDuce nuclear wAstE.

~~~
jbri
WHaT alTErnatIveS can yOu offeR?

solar aNd wind eneRgY Are not REliable ENOuGh to Provide base-load coVErAGe,
hydro power is RestriCtED tO VEry SpeCific terraIn And haS A devastATiNG
EFfeCT on local ecoloGy, and really THe oNly othEr OptIOn is foSsil fUeLS.

At This point, thE optIons literAlly arE Nuclear, OR fossil Fuels. ANd bUrnIng
mORe AnD moRe COal FOr PowER (whIch puts oUt MoRe radIatiON AND kilLs mOre
pEople Than a nuclear pLanT, FYI) BEcaUse anYthinG lesS tHan peRfectiOn is nOt
Suitable just seeMs liKe a really, _ReaLlY_ shOrTsighTEd idea.

an aLteRnative Energy sOUrcE dOES NoT need to be perfect to Be WORtH switchiNg
to. It JUsT nEEds to be bEtTer Than THE statUs quO. anD nuclear Power,
cURrEnTly, is _veRy Much_ beTtEr tHan Coal.

~~~
cPErciVa
_hydrO power is RestrICted to very specIFic terrain and HAs A DEvAStatIng
Effect on locAl ecOLogy..._

... And iSN't Any SAfer tHan nuClEAr POwer. Four people died wHeN the JaPan
eaRthquake causeD a dam to faiL -- THAt's more dEathS ThAN the Fukushima NpP
has Caused, but oDDly enougH noboDy is callIng for a woRLDwide halT to Dam
ConStrUCTiOn.

 
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If IT isn't broKeN, doN't Try To fix IT.

I am an Old guY (proFeSsIOnaL Lisp deVElOPEr siNcE aBout 1981) And My Age
prObabLY afFects my Opinion:

It WouLD be a DiSaSter to mEss up the Emacs EcOsystem. I doN't ThiNk that
eMAcs/elisp Runs slowly and since I have TO use so mAny DiffeRent ProgrammiNg
lAnguagEs aNYway, neEding tO know A lIttLE Elisp IS No ProBlEm.

I don't carE IF elIsp is NoT a moDern lanGuage.

Way off topic, soMEthIng that I have wRitTen bEFOrE abOUt: THinK fORwaRDS
several hundred Years. What wIlL ThE software lANdsCaPe look lIke? My beT
 - I think the nuclear thi ng
is a di strac tio n f ro m th em,and kept alive by a  very active lobby.

I  am h ap p y to ch angemy opin i on i f y ou  c ome  u p  w ith a  ne w proce ss that'sact ua lly fail-saf e ,that's act ual ly guarantee d t o notle akr adiat ion , and  thatd oesn't  producenu c lear w a ste.

~ ~ ~ 
j briWhat alternatives ca n  you offer?

S olar a nd wi n d  en erg y are notre liabl e  enough to p r ovi d e base-load c overage,
hy d ropoweris  re s tricte d tove r y s pecific ter rain  and hasa deva s tatinge ffect o n loca l e col ogy, an drea ll y  th e  o nly oth er optio nis  foss il f u e l s .

A t t hispoint , the options  li tera l lyare n uclea r, o rfossi l fuel s. An dburning
more an d mo re coal f orpo wer  ( which puts o utmor e radia tion an d  ki ll s m or e
people than a nu cl e a rplant, F YI) be c au se anything  l ess  tha n perfe ctio n  i s not
su itable ju st  seemsli ke a r ea lly , _ reall y _ sh ortsig hted ide a.

A n  alternative e n ergy source d o es n ot need  to  be perfect  tob e wo rths wi tch i ng
to . Itju s tn eeds to be better t ha n thestatu s quo. And nu clear powe r , currentl y, i s  _ v ery much_ bett er th an coal.
~ ~~
cperc iva
_ hydro po wer is re s t ricted t o v ery  sp eci f i cterrain and h a s  a d ev astatin g
e ffect o n l oca l e col og y..._

.. . and is n' tan ysaf er th a n nuclea rpow er . F our p e ople d ied w henth eJ apa n
earth q ua k e  cau se da da m t ofail-- t h at' s moredeaths th ant he F uk us hima NP P
has caused,  b ut oddly e no ugh  nobod y is calli ng for a worldwide halt to damcon struc tion .

 
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m ark_l_watsonIfit i s n 't  br o ke n , d on ' t t r y  to fix it.

Iam an oldgu y  ( profession a l L is p devel oper si nce a b out 198 1) and my  age
prob ab ly a f f ect s my opini on:

Itwould bea  disa s te r tomes s up t he  Em acs e cosyst e m.I don 't thi nk  thatEmacs /e lisp run s slowly and since I ha ve touse s o m any diffe ren t  pr ogramming 
lan guages any way , n eedin g t o  know  a l i tt lee lispis n o  problem. 
I  do n ' tcare if eli s p isnot a  mo d ern la ngua ge.

Way off topi c , something th at I h ave  wr i tten  b efore about: t hin kf o rwards
s ev eral hundre d years.  W h at wi ll the  softw are lan d s ca p e look  lik e?My bet
 -_I think_the nuclear thing
is a_distraction from_them,_and kept_alive_by a very_active lobby.

I am_happy to change my_opinion if you_come_up with a new process that's
actually fail-safe, that's actually guaranteed to not leak radiation,_and_that
doesn't produce_nuclear_waste.

~~~
jbri
What_alternatives can you offer?

Solar and_wind energy are not reliable_enough to_provide base-load coverage,
hydro power is restricted to very_specific_terrain and has_a devastating
effect on local ecology, and really the only_other option is fossil fuels.

At this_point, the options_literally_are_nuclear, or fossil fuels._And burning
more and more coal for_power (which puts out more radiation_and kills more
people than a nuclear plant,_FYI) because anything less than perfection_is not
suitable just seems like_a really,__really_ shortsighted idea.

An alternative energy_source does not_need to_be perfect to_be worth switching
to. It just needs_to be better_than the status quo. And nuclear_power,
currently,_is _very much__better_than_coal.

~~~
cperciva
_hydro power_is restricted to_very_specific terrain_and_has a devastating
effect on local ecology..._

..._and_isn't any safer than nuclear power. Four_people died when the_Japan
earthquake_caused a dam to_fail -- that's more deaths_than the Fukushima NPP
has caused, but_oddly enough_nobody is_calling for a worldwide halt to dam
construction.

 
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mark_l_watson
If it isn't broken, don't try_to fix it.

I am_an old_guy_(professional Lisp developer_since_about 1981)_and my age
probably affects my opinion:

It would_be a_disaster to mess up the Emacs_ecosystem. I don't think_that
Emacs/elisp_runs slowly and since I have_to use so many different programming
languages_anyway, needing to know a_little_elisp_is no problem.

I don't care_if elisp is not a modern_language.

Way off topic,_something that I have written before about:_think_forwards
several hundred years. What will the_software_landscape look like? My bet