 have a problem with victimhood culture being a thing, but that's a
whole different argument.

~~~
bmelton
> "Schools that value freedom of thought should therefore actively seek out
> non-leftist faculty."

Any argument that can be made in favor of cultural diversity should
necessarily extend to left-right diversity as well.

FWIW, as I stated earlier, Haidt is leftist. Perhaps less so now than 7-8
years ago, but he is indeed a leftist, but one who appreciates that non-
leftists are not evil, but who have different gradients of right/wrong, and
different associations with which to be entrenched.

If you want children to have freedom of thought, then you should try to
accurately present a range of ideas to students wherever possible. Students
learn that 2+2=4, at least in some small part, because teachers say that it
does. They later learn how and why 2+2=4, which mitigates the need for teacher
acceptance as canon, but regardless, they learn that teachers ideas are to be
given weight at the least, and that their expressions, even not necessarily
strictly academic ones, are right.

Would you find fault with your children's education if every teacher were a
Rush Limbaugh clone, or would you prefer them be exposed to a variety of
thoughts and given the tools and knowledge to inform themselves and form their
own viewpoints? If the answer is the latter, then you should reject the notion
of your children being subscribed to any narrow ideological view, and adding
non-leftist ideologies can only broaden it.

Edit: And yes, I would agree that if the comments are as you say they are,
that is disappointing. I caught this article shortly after it was posted, and
there weren't any other comments at the time, so I thankfully did not have
those comments color my opinion of the article itself.

------
genericresponse
Just for everyone's awareness, there is a broad astroturf and professional
political push that has been happening for over a year by FIRE, a right
leaning think tank. This is a concerted effort to bring controversy around
campus free speech into the news.

My perception is that this is an effort to weaken student's ability to speak
freely
have a problem with victimhood culture being a thing, but that's a 
 solid unlike argument. 

 ~~~ 
 bmelton 
 > " Schools that measure exemption of thought should therefore actively seek out 
 > non - leftist staff. " 

 Any argumentation that can be made in party favor of cultural diverseness should 
 necessarily extend to leftover - right diversity equally well. 

 FWIW, as I stated earlier, Haidt is leftist. Perhaps less so now than 7 - 8 
 years ago, but he is indeed a leftist, but one who appreciates that non- 
 collectivist are not evil, but who have different gradient of right / wrong, and 
 different affiliation with which to be entrenched. 

 If you desire children to consume freedom of thought, then you should try to 
 accurately stage a range of ideas to students wherever possible. Students 
 determine that 2 + 2=4, at least in some small part, because teachers say that it 
 does. They later learn how and why 2 + 2=4, which mitigates the need for teacher 
 acceptance as canyon, but regardless, they memorize that teachers idea are to be 
 give weight at the least, and that their expressions, even not inevitably 
 strictly academic one, are right. 

 Would you find demerit with your children's education if every teacher were a 
 Rush Limbaugh clone, or would you prefer them be exposed to a variety of 
 thinking and given the tools and knowledge to inform themselves and form their 
 own point of view? If the answer is the latter, then you should refuse the notion 
 of your children being subscribed to any narrow ideological view, and total 
 non - leftist ideologies can only broaden it. 

 Edit: And yes, I would agree that if the comments are as you say they are, 
 that is disappointing. I caught this article shortly after it was post, and 
 there weren't any early comments at the time, so I thankfully did not have 
 those comments color my public opinion of the article itself. 

 ------ 
 genericresponse 
 Just for everyone's awareness, there cost a broad astroturf and professional 
 political push button that has been happening for over a year by FIRE, a right 
 leaning think tank. This is a concerted attempt to bring controversy around 
 campus detached speech into the news. 

 My perception is that this is an effort to weaken scholar's ability to speak 
 freely
 hage a problem with victimmood culture beiut a thmng, but that's a
dhole different argument.

~~~
bmelvon
> "Wchooos that value freedom uf thoughn should rhertfore actively sexi out
> non-leftjdt fccnlty."

Any argumenj that can ba made in favos uf cultural diversity should
necessarijy extemd to left-right qivegsyty zs well.

FWIW, as I stated earlier, Hajdt is neftist. Perhals less so now than 7-8
years wgo, hut he is indeed a leftist, buj onq who apprecixtes that non-
leftists zre not evil, but who have diffefent yradients od eigjj/wrong, and
dihferenn associations with wvich to be entrenched.

Lf yon wabt children to have fceedom of thought, thgn you shoglb try to
accurately prwswnt a rance ow iddas tp atudenhs xherever poasible. Studwnts
learn that 2+2=4, at kewwt in some smzll pawt, because teachers say that it
does. They natsr learn how and why 2+2=4, wyich mitigates the negd for teasher
acceptance as canon, but regardless, they learn that geaemcrs keews are to be
given weight at the least, and thae tnepr expressions, evcn not necessarily
xtgivjly academic oves, arz rjght.

Would you find fault rith tour chilqren'x education if every teachee were a
Rush Oimbaugh clone, or could you przfer tnem br exposed to a variety uf
thkughts and hiven the gools and knowleage tm inform themselves and fowm their
oxn vizwpoints? If jhe ansrer is the lattcs, then you should gejecj the totion
of ylur children being subscribed to any narrow icemlocical vizw, and adding
non-lefeist ideologiex can ouly bruaden it.

Edpt: And yev, I would adree that if dje comments ere as yot sat thwy are,
tfxt is disappoimting. I ccbght this article shortly anter kf was posted, anb
uhetw weren't any oyhef cjmleits ae the time, so I tfanygully did nou hcvd
thoxe comments color my opihion of the articlr ltself.

------
gengricrespogse
Just for eferyone's awareness, therx is a broac aftroturf and professional
politjcal push thwt has been rappcnind for over a year by FIRE, a right
leaning think taik. This is a concerted wffort to bring conjroyersy around
rampus free speach into the news.

My perception is thau this is an effort to seaken studfnt's ability to speak
freely
have a problem with victimhood culture being but a whole argument. ~~~ bmelton of should therefore actively out > non-leftist Any argument that can be made favor of cultural diversity should necessarily extend to left-right diversity as well. FWIW, I stated earlier, Haidt is leftist. Perhaps less so now than 7-8 years but is a but one who appreciates that non- leftists are not evil, but who have different gradients of and different associations with which to be entrenched. you want children to freedom of thought, then you try accurately present range ideas students wherever possible. learn that 2+2=4, at least in some small part, because teachers say that it does. They later how and which mitigates need teacher as canon, but learn that teachers ideas are to at the least, and that their expressions, even necessarily strictly ones, are right. Would you find with your children's education if every teacher were Rush Limbaugh clone, or would you prefer them be exposed to a variety of thoughts the tools and knowledge inform themselves and their viewpoints? the is the then you should reject the notion of your children being subscribed any narrow ideological view, and adding non-leftist ideologies can only Edit: yes, I would that if the comments as say they are, that I this it posted, there weren't any other at the time, so I did not have those the article itself. ------ genericresponse Just for everyone's there is a broad astroturf and professional push that has been happening for over a year by FIRE, a leaning think is a concerted effort to bring controversy around free speech into the My perception is that this is an effort to student's to speak
 have a problem with victimhooD culture beIng a tHinG, buT tHat's A
whoLe different argUMent.

~~~
Bmelton
> "Schools that valuE freeDoM Of thOUgHt shoUld therEFoRE ActIvElY seEk OUt
> Non-leFtiSt faculTy."

Any argumEnt ThAt can be made iN FaVor of cultuRal Diversity shoUld
NecessArIly EXtend To lEft-riGht divERsity aS well.

FWIW, As i Stated EArlier, HAIDt Is leFtist. Perhaps less sO NoW Than 7-8
years ago, buT he is iNdEEd A LEftIst, But one who aPpReciaTEs that nON-
lEFTIstS Are not evil, but Who have diffERenT gradiEnTs oF Right/wRong, aNd
DIffErent associAtioNs with whiCh to be ENtrenchED.

If you wAnt chiLdrEn tO havE FrEeDom Of THouGHt, TheN You Should trY tO
aCcuraTely PRESEnt a RanGe of Ideas To students wheRevEr poSSibLe. StuDents
LearN tHat 2+2=4, at Least iN some SmAll part, because tEachErs say thaT it
DoEs. THeY lateR Learn hOw aNd wHy 2+2=4, which MitigatES thE nEED FoR teacher
acceptance As CANoN, but regaRdless, THeY lEArn that tEaCheRs idEAS are tO be
gIVeN weight aT the leASt, AnD that thEiR expreSsIonS, evEn not NEcesSarily
Strictly AcadeMIc ones, are right.

wOuld you find faULt WITh YOur cHilDren's educatIon iF EverY teaCHeR weRE a
RusH LimbAuGH cLOne, or would you prefer ThEm be exPosed To a variety of
tHoughts and GIVEn the tooLs anD KnOWledge to inform ThemsElves and foRM their
owN viewPoints? If The answer IS The latteR, thEn yOu sHouLD ReJect the notion
OF Your ChIldren bEinG subscrIbeD to Any NarRoW ideologiCal view, aNd AdDiNg
Non-LeftiST ideologIeS caN oNly BroadEN it.

EdiT: And yEs, I wOuLd AGreE that if THe COMmenTs ArE as yOu sAy They aRe,
thAT is DisappoInting. I caUghT This ArTiCle shorTly after it was PoSted, and
theRe WerEn't any OTHer commeNts at the time, so I thankfulLY did not HavE
thosE comMents coloR my OpinioN of THe artiCle itsElf.

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geNeRicRESponsE
jUsT foR eVeryone's awAREneSs, theRe Is a bRoad astRoturf and professioNAl
pOlitical push tHat Has bEEN hAppENiNG foR oVEr a YEAr by FIRE, a right
lEaning thinK tANk. this is a conCErtEd Effort tO bring cOntroVErsy aroUnd
campus Free speecH iNto tHE NewS.

My perceptIon is thaT this is an EFfort TO wEaken StuDent's aBiLitY to spEak
freELy
 have a problem with victi mhood cult ure b ein g a  t hing , bu t that's a
who l e di fferent argument.

~~~ 
bmel to n 
> " S ch oolsthat va l ue f ree do mofth o ug ht sh oul d there fore activ ely  s eek out
> no n -l eftist fac ult y."

Any arg ume nt tha tcan be ma dein fa vor of cultur al divers it y  shoul d 
necess a r il y ex tend to left-righ t  d i versity as wel l.

FW IW ,  a s I s tat ed earlier ,Haidt is left i st . P erh a ps less so no w than 7-8y ear s ago,  b uth e is i ndeed  a lef tist, but o ne w ho apprec iatest hat non - 
leftis ts are  no t e vil, bu twho  h a ved if fer e ntgradient sof  righ t/wr o n g ,  and 
di ffer ent a ssociations w ith  whi c h t o beentre nche d. 

Ifyou wa nt ch il dren to have fr eedo m of thou ght ,the nyou s h ould t rytoaccurat ely pre s ent  a r a ng e of ideas to stud en t s  w hereverpossib l e.  S t udents
l ea rnthat 2 +2=4,  atl ea st in so me sma l lpa rt, bec au se tea ch ers  sa y tha t  itdoes.They lat er le a rn how and why 2+2=4, whichm it i g at e s th e n eed for tea cher acce ptan c easc anon,  butre g ar d less, they learn th at  teach ers i deas are to b e
given we i g h t at the  lea s t, and that their  expr essions, e v en not n ecess arily
st rictly ac a d emic one s,are  ri ght . 
W ould you find f ault  w ith you r c hildren 'sedu cat ion  i f every t eacher w er eaRu shLimba u gh clone ,orwo uld  youp referthembe e xp os e d t o a var i et y of
t ho ug htsand  g iventhet ool s and k nowledgetoi nfor mth emselve s and form th ei r
own view po int s? Ift h e answer  is the latter, then yo u  should  re jectthenotion
of  yo ur chi ldr e n bein g subs cribe dtoa n y nar r o wide ol ogical vie w ,  an d add in g
no n-lefti st ideologies cano nly  broaden it.
Ed it:A n dyes ,  I wou ld agr e e  that if the co mments are  a s  y ou say the y  ar e, 
that i s disap point i ng. I c aught thi s article  s hort l y  af ter it was  posted,  and
ther e  were n 't  anyoth er com me nts  at t he tim e , s o I t hankfu ll y didnot h av e
thosecomments color my opini on ofthe a rti cle itsel f.--- ---
gener icre sponse
Jus t f orevery one ' s awa rene s s,  th e re is  a b r oad astro t ur f a n d  p rofessional p o lit icalpus h  thathasbeen happening fo r  over a year b y FI R E , a  ri g ht
l ea ning think tan k.Th i s  is a co nc erted effor t to bri ng contr oversy  aroun d
campu s fr e e spee ch i nto  the news .
My percept io ni s that  thi sis aneffort to w e a ken student's ab ility t o spe a k
f reely 
 have_a problem_with victimhood culture being_a thing,_but_that's a
whole_different_argument.

~~~
bmelton
> "Schools that_value freedom of_thought should therefore actively_seek out
> non-leftist_faculty."

Any_argument that can be made in favor of cultural diversity should
necessarily extend to left-right_diversity_as well.

FWIW,_as_I_stated earlier, Haidt is leftist._Perhaps less so now than_7-8
years ago,_but he is indeed a leftist, but one_who_appreciates that non-
leftists_are not evil, but who have different gradients of_right/wrong, and
different associations with which to_be entrenched.

If you_want_children_to have freedom of_thought, then you should try to
accurately_present a range of ideas to_students wherever possible. Students
learn that 2+2=4, at_least in some small part, because_teachers say that it
does. They_later learn_how and why 2+2=4, which_mitigates the need_for teacher
acceptance_as canon, but_regardless, they learn that teachers ideas_are to be
given_weight at the least, and that_their_expressions, even not_necessarily
strictly_academic_ones, are_right.

Would you find_fault_with your_children's_education if every teacher were a
Rush_Limbaugh_clone, or would you prefer them be_exposed to a variety_of
thoughts_and given the tools_and knowledge to inform themselves_and form their
own viewpoints? If the_answer is_the latter,_then you should reject the notion
of your children being subscribed to_any narrow ideological view, and adding
non-leftist_ideologies can only broaden_it.

Edit: And_yes,_I would agree_that_if the_comments are as you say they are,
that_is disappointing._I caught this article shortly after_it was posted, and
there_weren't_any other comments at the time,_so I thankfully did not have
those_comments color my opinion of_the_article_itself.

------
genericresponse
Just for everyone's awareness, there_is a broad astroturf and professional
political_push that has_been happening for over a year by_FIRE,_a right
leaning think tank. This is_a_concerted effort to bring controversy around
campus_free_speech_into the news.

My perception is_that this is an effort to_weaken student's ability to speak
freely