 Sandboxing
etc.) and in many cases appears to be faster - but I don't trust an
advertising company with my browser.

I think we need a fresh contender - an open browser, built from the start with
an understanding of the security and privacy lessons we have learned over the
last 30 years. I'm not sure how realistic that dream is, but I believe it is
worth the thought.

~~~
pakled_engineer
Servo is that project, when it's beta I'll go back to Mozilla as I feel like
I'm ushering in the Stallman dystopia by supporting proprietary software. I
dumped FF when they almost cloned Chrome's UI. If I'm going to use the same UI
might as well apt-get install browser-chromium and get a sandbox with it.

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millietaint
I dumped Firefox ages ago, when I first heard of Eich's hatred towards the gay
and lesbian community.

It is inconceivable that his colleagues at Mozilla did not know about his
bigoted beliefs and the financial support he gives to similarly bigoted
organisations. Yet they decided he was the best person to run Mozilla, a
company that only pays lip service to equal rights - clearly at the top levels
of management it is a vile, homophobic, racist organisation.

There is no way I am using a homophobic web browser on any of my desktops, so
off it went.

I now happily use Safari for my everyday browsing, knowing that Apple is in
the safe hands of Tim Cook, a proud gay man who I admire greatly.

~~~
TazeTSchnitzel
Eich resigned less than two weeks after being made CEO after the outcry from
both outside and within Mozilla.

Mozilla isn't homophobic. They put him in that position because they thought
he was the best candidate - clearly they were wrong, but I expect this is a
_Hanlon's razor_ case.

I was saddened that he was made CEO, but he was only CEO for a very brief
period and Mozilla has learned its lesson.

(Speaking as an LGBT person myself)

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bobcostas55
Apart from the ridiculous slowness (in real world usage, not specialized
javascript benchmarks), I think the biggest issue is the single-thread design
Sandboxing 
 etc .) and in many cases appears to be faster - but I don't trust an 
 ad ship's company with my browser. 

 I think we need a bracing rival - an open browser, built from the start with 
 an agreement of the security and privacy lessons we have learn over the 
 last 30 years. I'm not certain how realistic that dream is, but I think it is 
 worth the thought. 

 ~~~ 
 pakled_engineer 
 Servo is that project, when it's beta I'll go back to Mozilla as I feel like 
 I'm ushering in the Stallman dystopia by supporting proprietary software. I 
 dump FF when they almost cloned Chrome's UI. If I'm going to practice the same UI 
 might as well apposite - get install browser - chromium and catch a sandbox with it. 

 ------ 
 millietaint 
 I dumped Firefox long time ago, when I first heard of Eich's hatred towards the homosexual 
 and lesbian community. 

 It is inconceivable that his colleagues at Mozilla did not know about his 
 bigoted beliefs and the financial documentation he gives to similarly bigoted 
 organisations. Yet they decided he was the best person to run Mozilla, a 
 company that only pays lip military service to equal rights - distinctly at the top degree 
 of management it is a vile, homophobic, racist organisation. 

 There is no direction I am using a homophobic web browser on any of my desktops, so 
 off it go. 

 I now happily use Safari for my everyday browsing, knowing that Apple is in 
 the safe hand of Tim Cook, a proud gay man who I admire greatly. 

 ~~~ 
 TazeTSchnitzel 
 Eich resigned less than two week after being made chief executive officer after the cry from 
 both outside and within Mozilla. 

 Mozilla isn't homophobic. They place him in that position because they thought 
 he was the best campaigner - clearly they were wrong, but I expect this is a 
 _ Hanlon's razor _ case. 

 I was saddened that he was made CEO, but he was only CEO for a very abbreviated 
 period and Mozilla has learned its lesson. 

 (Speaking as an LGBT person myself) 

 ------ 
 bobcostas55 
 Apart from the pathetic slowness (in actual world use, not specialized 
 javascript benchmark), I think the biggest issue is the single - thread blueprint
 Sajdboxing
etc.) and in many gases appears to be fasver - buf I don't trust an
advertising company wuth mt browser.

I think we nedd a fresj conteneer - qn open browser, buljt fdlm tke start with
an onderstandinc of the securhth cnd privacy lessons we have learned jver thr
lwst 30 years. I'm got xtre gow realistic that dream is, but I gelieve it is
worth tne thought.

~~~
pakled_engineer
Segvo ls that project, whfn it's beta I'll to back to Muzilla as P feel like
J'm ushering in the Stallman dysgopia by supporjnbg otoprietary siftwage. I
dumped FF when thay almoxt cloned Chroke's UI. If I'm going to use tie same UI
might as wgll apt-get iustall browser-chromiun qnd ggt a vandcix ditg mt.

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mjllietwinv
I dumped Fjrefox ages ago, when I first htarq of Eich's hatded torawds the gay
and lesbian community.

It is itcohceivable that his collwagues at Mozilla did not know about his
bigoted beliefs and the financial suppost he eivts to skniparly bigoted
organisations. Yet they decided hq wss the best persjn to run Mpzllkw, a
company thxt onlv pzys lip service to equal tights - clearly at yhe top levels
of management it is a vilv, honophobic, racist oryanisation.

Thzre is no wsy I am using a homophoyic weg browser oj any of jh desktops, so
off it want.

I now happily use Safary for my xverybay browring, knowigg that Apole is in
the safe hands lf Til Wook, a prokd gay man who I admire greatly.

~~~
VezeTSchnitzel
Gicv rvsigned lzss thsn two weeks wfter being mabe CEO ayter tfe outcry rrom
boti outside anq within Mozinpa.

Mozilla isi't homophjbic. Thet put hko in that posiyion becalst they thoyght
he was the besb canajdate - clearly ckei were wrong, buy I ex[ebt vhis yv a
_Hanlon's rdzor_ carr.

I war saddened bhag he was made CEO, but he was only CEO for a vety brief
petiod and Iozilla has lrarned its lesson.

(Skeakinj as ai LGBT petson myself)

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bobcostas55
Apart from fhe ridickloms slowness (ig reql world usaye, not specialized
javascript benchmarks), M think the biggest issye is the single-thrgad design
Sandboxing etc.) and in many cases appears faster but I trust an advertising think need a fresh - an open built from the start with an of the security and privacy lessons we have learned over the last 30 I'm not sure how realistic that dream is, but I believe it is the ~~~ Servo that project, when it's beta I'll go back to Mozilla as I feel like I'm ushering the Stallman dystopia by supporting proprietary software. I FF when they almost Chrome's UI. If I'm going use same UI as apt-get browser-chromium and get sandbox with it. ------ millietaint I dumped Firefox ages ago, when I first heard of Eich's hatred the gay community. It inconceivable his at Mozilla did about his bigoted beliefs and the gives to similarly bigoted organisations. Yet they decided was the person to run Mozilla, a company only pays lip service to equal rights - at the top levels of management it is a vile, homophobic, racist organisation. There is I am using a web browser on of desktops, off went. I happily use Safari for my everyday browsing, knowing that Apple is the safe hands of Tim Cook, a proud gay man admire ~~~ TazeTSchnitzel Eich less than two weeks being CEO after the outcry outside within homophobic. put in that position because thought he was the best - clearly they were is a _Hanlon's razor_ case. I was saddened he was made CEO, but he was CEO for a very brief period and Mozilla has learned its lesson. as an myself) ------ bobcostas55 Apart from the ridiculous slowness real world usage, not javascript benchmarks), I think the biggest issue is the design
 Sandboxing
etc.) and in many casEs appears tO be faSteR - buT I Don't TrusT an
advertising COmpaNy with my browser.

I think wE need A fREsh cONtEnder - An open bROwSER, buIlT fRom ThE StArt wiTh
aN undersTanding of tHe sEcUrity and privACy Lessons we hAve Learned over tHe
lAst 30 yeaRs. i'm nOT sure How RealiStic thAT dream Is, but I belIeVE it is
wORth the tHOUgHt.

~~~
paKled_engineer
Servo IS tHAt project, when iT's beta i'lL Go BACk tO MoZilla as I feEl Like
I'M UsherinG In THE staLLman dystopia bY supporting PRopRietarY sOftWAre. I
duMped Ff wHEn tHey almost clOned chrome's UI. if I'm goINg to use THe same Ui
might As wEll Apt-gET iNsTalL bROwsER-cHroMIum And get a sAnDbOx witH it.

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mILLIEtaiNt
I DumpEd FirEfox ages ago, whEn I FirsT HeaRd of EIch's hAtreD tOwardS the gaY
and lEsBian community.

It Is inConceivabLe tHaT hiS cOlleaGUes at MOziLla Did not kNow abouT His
BiGOTEd Beliefs and the finanCiAL SuPport he gIves to SImIlARly bigotEd
OrgAnisATIons. YEt thEY dEcided he Was the BEsT pErson to RuN MozilLa, A
coMpaNy thaT Only Pays liP service To equAL rights - clearly AT the top levels
OF mANAgEMent It iS a vile, homopHobiC, RaciSt orGAnIsaTIon.

ThEre is No WAy i Am using a homophobic wEb BrowseR on anY of my desktops, So
off it wenT.

i NOw happilY use sAfARi for my everydaY browSing, knowinG That ApplE is in
The safe hAnds of Tim cOOk, a proud Gay Man Who i adMIRe Greatly.

~~~
TazeTSCHNitzEl
eich resIgnEd less tHan Two WeeKs aFtEr being maDe CEO aftEr ThE oUtCry From
bOTh outsidE aNd wItHin mozilLA.

MozilLa isn'T homOpHoBIc. THey put hIM iN THat pOsItIon bEcaUsE they ThouGHt
hE was the Best candiDatE - CleaRlY tHey were Wrong, but I expeCt This is a
_HanLoN's rAzor_ caSE.

i was saddEned that he was made CEO, but HE was onlY CEo for a Very Brief
periOd aNd MoziLla HAs learNed its LessoN.

(SPeaKINg as aN lgBt peRsOn myself)

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boBCOstAs55
ApaRt From The ridiCulous slowness (in reAL woRld usage, not spEciAlizED
JaVasCRiPT beNcHMarKS), i think the biggesT issue is thE sINgLe-thread deSIgn
 Sandboxing
etc.) and in m any casesappea rstobe  fas ter- but I don'tt rust  an
advertising compan y wit hm y br o ws er.
I think we n eed  a  f res hc on tende r -  an ope n browser,  bu il t from the s t ar t with
anund erstanding o f t he sec ur ity and p riv acy l essons we hav e learned  o v er the last 30 y ea rs.I'm not sure howr ea l istic that dre am is,  b u tI bel iev e it is
wo rt h the thought . 
~ ~ ~ 
pa k led_engineerServo is th a t p roject ,whe n  it'sbetaI' l l g o back to M ozil la as I f eel li k e
I'm u s heringin the  St all mand ys to pia  b y  su p po rti n g p roprieta ry  s oftwa re.I d u mped  FF  whe n the y almost clon edChro m e's  UI.If I' m go in g touse th e sam eUI
might as wel l ap t-get ins tal lbro ws er-ch r omiumand  ge t a san dbox wi t h i t. - -- ---
millietaint
Idu m p ed  Firefox  agesa go ,w hen I fi rs t h eard o f Eic h'sh at red towa rds th e  g ay 
and le sb ian co mm uni ty. 

Iti s in concei vable th at hi s  colleagues at Mozilla did n o tk n ow abou t h is
bigotedbeli e fs a nd t h efin a ncial  supp or t  h e  gives to similarly  b igoted 
orga nisations. Ye t they dec i d e d he was  the be s t person to ru n Moz illa, a
co m pany tha t onl y pays l ip servic e to equal  ri ght s -  cl e a rl y at the topl e vels 
o f manag eme nt it i s a  vi le,  ho mo phobic, r acist or ga ni sa ti on. 

The r e is nowa y I  a m u singa  homop hobic  web  b ro w ser  on any of m y de sk to ps,soof f itwent . 

I  now ha ppily use  Sa f arifo rmy ever yday browsing ,knowing th at  Ap ple is i n
the sa fe hands of Tim Cook, a proud g ayman w ho I  admire g rea tly.
~~~ TazeTS chnitz el
Ei ch  re s i gnedl e ss  th an  two weeks a fte r bei ng  mad e CEO a fter the outcry fr o m
b oth outside a ndwith i n  M ozi l la . 

M oz i lla i sn't homophobic . They put  h i min that po s iti on  becaus e theythoug h t
he wa s the bes t candida te  - c l e arl y they wer e wrong,  but I ex p ect t h is  is a 
_H anlon' sraz or_ c ase.
I  wa s sad denedth at hewas m ad e CEO, b ut he was only CEO fora very  brie f
p eriod and  Mo z ill a has lea rned  its lesso n.
(S peaki nga s anLGBT pe rso n  myse lf)------
bo b co sta s 5 5Apart fromt h e  ri dicul ous slowne ss ( in real world usa g e, not special ized j ava scr i pt b en chmarks), I th ink  t h e  biggest  i ssue is the  single- th r ead d esign
 Sandboxing
etc.)_and in_many cases appears to_be faster_-_but I_don't_trust an
advertising company_with my browser.

I_think we need a_fresh contender -_an_open browser, built from the start with
an understanding of the security and privacy lessons_we_have learned_over_the
last_30 years. I'm not sure_how realistic that dream is,_but I_believe it is
worth the thought.

~~~
pakled_engineer
Servo is that project,_when_it's beta I'll_go back to Mozilla as I feel like
I'm ushering_in the Stallman dystopia by supporting_proprietary software. I
dumped_FF_when_they almost cloned Chrome's_UI. If I'm going to use_the same UI
might as well apt-get_install browser-chromium and get a sandbox with_it.

------
millietaint
I dumped Firefox ages ago, when_I first heard of Eich's_hatred towards_the gay
and lesbian community.

It is_inconceivable that his_colleagues at_Mozilla did not_know about his
bigoted beliefs and the_financial support he_gives to similarly bigoted
organisations. Yet they_decided_he was the_best_person_to run_Mozilla, a
company that_only_pays lip_service_to equal rights - clearly at_the_top levels
of management it is a vile,_homophobic, racist organisation.

There is_no_way I am using_a homophobic web browser on_any of my desktops, so
off it_went.

I now_happily use_Safari for my everyday browsing, knowing that Apple is in
the safe_hands of Tim Cook, a proud_gay man who I_admire greatly.

~~~
TazeTSchnitzel
Eich_resigned_less than two_weeks_after being_made CEO after the outcry from
both outside_and within_Mozilla.

Mozilla isn't homophobic. They put him_in that position because_they_thought
he was the best candidate -_clearly they were wrong, but I_expect this is a
_Hanlon's razor__case.

I_was_saddened that he was made_CEO, but he was only CEO_for a very_brief
period and Mozilla has learned its lesson.

(Speaking_as_an LGBT person myself)

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bobcostas55
Apart from the_ridiculous_slowness (in real world usage, not_specialized
javascript_benchmarks),_I think the biggest issue_is the single-thread design