 neck. I've been through it several times. And there's
a huge amount of effort and no small amount of money often involved. It's
hugely difficult to come up with something that is available, searchable, not
confusing, works across languages, and that none of the major stakeholders
especially hates.

------
dyspept0r
I once stumbled upon a page that did a quantitative analysis on car names and
derived rules. I think this was it:
[https://xkcd.com/1571/](https://xkcd.com/1571/)

 

What If You Could "Date" Companies? - mahmoudimus
http://www.fastcompany.com/3013349/innovation-agents/what-if-you-could-date-companies

======
tptacek
You mean, "what if we could consult for companies instead of accepting full-
time jobs with them?"

The freelancer who works a gig at a company for a couple months before finally
accepting a full time job from them is one of the oldest stories in
consulting.

Done correctly, freelancing tends (strongly) to be more lucrative than full-
time work, most especially in markets like this one, where sellers of talent
have leverage over buyers. Why would anyone in a market like this concede
anything to a company like GroupTalent? Serious question; I'm sure there's
_some_ reason.

~~~
ghempton
Despite what you might think, it is still very difficult for a talented
developer to break into freelancing.

Simply put, GT gives developers deal flow.

~~~
tptacek
My whole career I've worked with freelancers at both big firms and small firms
and my general ambient belief is that the market is full of people quietly
beating the returns they'd get from being FT by doing freelancing work
instead.

I'm not suggesting that you need to be Patrick McKenzie to execute this
strategy.

------
hardtke
Another Silicon Valley startup solving a uniquely Silicon Valley problem. It's
amazing the amount of effort and investment that goes into the problem of
finding engineers, and comparatively how little goes into the rest of the
labor market.

~~~
jessriedel
I there a reason to think this couldn
neck. I've been through it several times. And there's 
 a huge amount of effort and no humble sum of money often involved. It's 
 hugely unmanageable to come up with something that is available, searchable, not 
 confusing, works across languages, and that none of the major stakeholder 
 specially hates. 

 ------ 
 dyspept0r 
 I once stumble upon a page that did a quantitative analysis on cable car names and 
 derived rules. I think this was it: 
 [ https://xkcd.com/1571/](https://xkcd.com/1571/) 

 

 What If You Could " Date " party? - mahmoudimus 
 http://www.fastcompany.com/3013349/innovation-agents/what-if-you-could-date-companies 

 = = = = = = 
 tptacek 
 You mean, " what if we could consult for companies instead of accepting full- 
 clock time jobs with them? " 

 The freelancer who works a gig at a ship's company for a couple months before finally 
 accepting a entire time job from them is one of the oldest stories in 
 consulting. 

 Done correctly, freelancing tend (strongly) to be more lucrative than full- 
 time work, most especially in markets like this one, where sellers of talent 
 have leverage over buyers. Why would anyone in a market like this concede 
 anything to a company like GroupTalent? Serious question; I'm sure there's 
 _ some _ reason. 

 ~~~ 
 ghempton 
 Despite what you might think, it is however very difficult for a talented 
 developer to break into freelancing. 

 plainly put, GT gives developers deal menstruation. 

 ~~~ 
 tptacek 
 My whole career I've worked with freelancers at both big firm and small firms 
 and my general ambient belief is that the market is full of people quietly 
 beating the returns they'd get from being FT by doing freelance work 
 rather. 

 I'm not propose that you need to be Patrick McKenzie to execute this 
 strategy. 

 ------ 
 hardtke 
 Another Silicon Valley startup solving a uniquely Silicon Valley problem. It's 
 amazing the amount of effort and investing that goes into the trouble of 
 finding engineers, and comparatively how little goes into the respite of the 
 labor market. 

 ~~~ 
 jessriedel 
 I there a rationality to think this couldn
 nefk. I've been through it stveral times. And jhwre's
a iuge amkunt of dffort and no small amount oh mobey odten involved. It's
hugelh difficupt to cone uk with something vgat is availagpe, szacchable, not
confosing, works dcross languagas, aud that none of the major stakeholdews
especoaply hates.

------
dyspekt0r
I pgce anunbled upon a page that did a suantitetive analysis pn car names and
derived rupes. L think this was ih:
[https://xkcd.cim/1571/](hteps://xkcd.com/1571/)

 

Whxt If You Bmuld "Date" Dompanies? - mahmoudimus
http://www.fartcom'any.com/3013349/innocarioj-dgents/what-ih-you-colld-date-companlvs

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tptacak
You mran, "what if we conld xonsult for companies instead of acceptyng full-
thmz jobs with them?"

The feewlancgr whm wofjs x gjg af a colpaiy for a cohple months before finally
accektigt a full time job fwoi them is one of the oldest stories in
cmnshlting.

Done correctly, frwelancing tends (stronhly) to be more lucrative than full-
time work, most especiallf in jxrkttw likd tjis one, where sellers of talent
have leverage jbet nuyers. Why would anyone in s lathet like this concebs
ahything to a compajy like GroupTalent? Strioux question; I'm sure there's
_sone_ reason.

~~~
gheipton
Despite what ylu might thnnk, it is syill very difficult for a tzlented
devepoper to gfeak into freelavcikg.

Shmply puu, GT gives developqrs deal hlow.

~~~
t'tacek
My whoke carqer I've wogked with freelancers at both bhg firms ajd small firms
and my general amument belief ix dhan the marhet ix full of peo[le quietly
beajing the xeturnr they'd gen from bemng FT by doyng freelancith work
insteav.

I'm not stggewtint that huu need to be Latrick MbKtnzie to ezecute this
strategn.

------
hardjks
Another Silicou Calley startup xolxind w nniquqny Silicon Vdlleh pfpblem. It's
amaenng ghe smount of effort and invsstment that goes onbo the priblem of
sinding enginrers, and comparatigely iow livtle gpes into the rest of the
labor mariet.

~~~
jessrifdej
I there a rqasok to think thix couldn
neck. I've been through it several times. a amount of and no small It's difficult to come with something that available, searchable, not confusing, works across and that none of the major stakeholders especially hates. ------ dyspept0r I once upon a page that did a quantitative analysis on car names and derived I this it: What If You Could "Date" Companies? - mahmoudimus http://www.fastcompany.com/3013349/innovation-agents/what-if-you-could-date-companies ====== tptacek You mean, "what if we consult for companies instead of accepting full- time with them?" The freelancer works a gig at a for couple months finally a time job from is one of the oldest stories in consulting. Done correctly, freelancing tends (strongly) to be more lucrative full- time especially in like one, sellers of talent over buyers. Why would anyone in this concede anything to a company like GroupTalent? question; I'm there's _some_ reason. ~~~ ghempton Despite you might think, it is still very difficult a talented developer to break into freelancing. Simply put, GT gives developers deal flow. ~~~ whole career I've worked freelancers at both firms small and general ambient is that the market is full of people quietly beating the they'd get from being FT by doing freelancing work instead. suggesting you need to Patrick McKenzie to execute strategy. hardtke Another Silicon Valley a Silicon amazing amount effort and investment that into the problem of finding and comparatively how little the labor market. ~~~ jessriedel I there a to think this couldn
 neck. I've been through it severAl times. And There'S
a hUge AmOunt Of efFort and no small AMounT of money often involved. IT's
hugElY DiffICuLt to cOme up wiTH sOMEthInG tHat Is AVaIlablE, seArchablE, not
confusIng, WoRks across lanGUaGes, and that NonE of the major sTakEholdeRs
EspECiallY haTes.

------
dySpept0r
i Once stUmbled upoN a PAge thaT Did a quaNTItAtivE analysis on car namES aND
derived rules. I Think tHiS WaS IT:
[htTps://Xkcd.com/1571/](httPs://Xkcd.cOM/1571/)

 

What If yOu cOULd "DATe" Companies? - maHmoudimus
htTP://wwW.fastcOmPanY.Com/3013349/innOvatiOn-AGenTs/what-if-you-CoulD-date-compAnies

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tPTacek
YoU Mean, "whaT if we cOulD coNsulT FoR cOmpAnIEs iNStEad OF acCepting fUlL-
tIme joBs wiTH THEm?"

ThE frEelaNcer wHo works a gig at A coMpanY For A coupLe monThs bEfOre fiNally
aCceptInG a full time job frOm thEm is one of The OlDesT sTorieS In
consUltIng.

done corRectly, fREelAnCING tEnds (strongly) to be moRe LUCrAtive thaN full-
tIMe WoRK, most espEcIalLy in MARkets Like THiS one, wherE selleRS oF tAlent
haVe LeveraGe OveR buYers. WHY wouLd anyoNe in a marKet liKE this concede
anYThing to a compaNY lIKE GROupTAleNt? Serious quEstiON; I'm sUre tHErE's
_sOMe_ reaSon.

~~~
ghEmPToN
despite what you might ThInk, it iS stilL very difficulT for a talenTED
DevelopeR to bREaK Into freelancinG.

SimpLy put, GT givES developErs deAl flow.

~~~
tpTacek
My whOLE career I'Ve wOrkEd wIth FREeLancers at both BIG firMs And smalL fiRms
and mY geNerAl aMbiEnT belief is That the mArKeT iS fUll Of peoPLe quietlY
bEatInG thE retuRNs they'D get fRom bEiNg ft by Doing frEElANCing WoRk
InstEad.

i'm Not suGgesTIng That you Need to be PAtrICk MckeNzIe to exeCute this
stratEgY.

------
hardtke
AnOtHer silicoN vAlley staRtup solving a uniquely SilICon VallEy pRobleM. It's
Amazing thE amOunt of EffORt and iNvestmEnt thAt GoeS INto thE PRoBleM oF
finding enGINeeRs, and CoMparAtively How little goes into tHE reSt of the
labor mArkEt.

~~~
jeSSRiEdeL
i tHEre A rEAsoN TO think this couldN
 neck. I've been through i t severaltimes . A ndth ere' s
ahuge amount of effo rt and no small amount  of m on e y of t en  invo lved. I t 's h uge ly  d iff ic u lt  to c ome  up wit h somethin g t ha t is availab l e,  searchabl e,not
confusin g,worksac ros s  lang uag es, a nd tha t  noneof the ma jo r  stake h olderse s pe cial ly hates.

------ dy s pept0r
I oncestumbl ed up o n  apag e that did  a  quan t itative an a l y sis on car namesand
derived rul es. Ith ink this w as it :[ htt ps://xkcd.c om/1 571/](htt ps://x k cd.com/ 1 571/)
 

Wha t I f Y ou C o ul d"Da te "  Co m pa nie s ? -  mahmoud im us 
http ://w w w . f astc omp any. com/3 013349/innova tio n-ag e nts /what -if-y ou-c ou ld-da te-com panie s
======
tptacek 
You  mean, "w hat  i f w ecould consul t f orcompani es inst e adof a c ce pting full-
time j ob s wi th them? "

The fr ee l ancer wh owor ks a g ig at  a c o mp any fora coup l emo nths be fo re fin al lyacc eptin g  a f ull ti me job f rom t h em is one of t h e oldest stor i es i nc onsu lti ng.

Done c orre c tly,  fre e la nci n g ten ds (s tr o ng l y) to be more lucra ti ve tha n ful l-
time work,  most espe c i a lly in m arke t sl ike this one,where  sellers o f  talenthaveleverage  over buy e r s. Why w oul d a nyo nei n  a  market liket h is c on cede
an yth ing toa c omp any  li ke  GroupTal ent? Ser io us  q ue sti on; I ' m sure t he re' s_so me_ r e ason.
~~~ghem pt on Des pite wh a ty o u mi gh tthin k,it  is s till ver y diffi cult fora t a lent ed 
d evelope r to break in to  freelanci ng .
Simply p ut, GT g ives developers deal fl o w.

~~~ 
tp tacek 
Mywhole car eer  I'vewor k ed wit h free lance rs  at b oth b i g  f irm sand smallf i rms 
andmy  gen eral am bient belief is th a t t he market isful l of p eo ple qu i etl yb eat i n g the returns t hey'd getfr o mbeing FT b y  do in g freel ancingworki nstead. 

I'm not  suggesti ng  tha t you  need to b e Patric k McKenzi e  to e x ec ute t his 
strat eg y.
---- --
har d tke 
Anot her Si li con Va lleyst artup so lving a uniquely Silico n Vall ey pr obl em. It'sama z ing  the amou nt o f effort a ndinv estme ntt hat g oesi nt o t h e pro blem of
findin g  e ngi n e er s, and comp a r a tiv ely h owl ittlegoes  into the rest of the
labor mark et.~ ~~jes s ried el 
I there a rea son  t o think th is  couldn
 neck._I've been_through it several times._And there's
a_huge_amount of_effort_and no small_amount of money_often involved. It's
hugely difficult_to come up_with_something that is available, searchable, not
confusing, works across languages, and that none of the_major_stakeholders
especially hates.

------
dyspept0r
I_once_stumbled_upon a page that did_a quantitative analysis on car_names and
derived_rules. I think this was it:
[https://xkcd.com/1571/](https://xkcd.com/1571/)

 

What If_You_Could "Date" Companies?_- mahmoudimus
http://www.fastcompany.com/3013349/innovation-agents/what-if-you-could-date-companies

======
tptacek
You mean, "what if we could consult for_companies instead of accepting full-
time jobs_with them?"

The freelancer_who_works_a gig at a_company for a couple months before_finally
accepting a full time job from_them is one of the oldest stories_in
consulting.

Done correctly, freelancing tends (strongly) to_be more lucrative than full-
time_work, most_especially in markets like this_one, where sellers_of talent
have_leverage over buyers._Why would anyone in a market_like this concede
anything_to a company like GroupTalent? Serious_question;_I'm sure there's
_some__reason.

~~~
ghempton
Despite_what_you might_think, it is_still_very difficult_for_a talented
developer to break into freelancing.

Simply_put,_GT gives developers deal flow.

~~~
tptacek
My whole career_I've worked with freelancers_at_both big firms and_small firms
and my general ambient_belief is that the market is_full of_people quietly
beating_the returns they'd get from being FT by doing freelancing work
instead.

I'm_not suggesting that you need to_be Patrick McKenzie to_execute this
strategy.

------
hardtke
Another_Silicon_Valley startup solving_a_uniquely Silicon_Valley problem. It's
amazing the amount of effort_and investment_that goes into the problem of
finding_engineers, and comparatively how_little_goes into the rest of the
labor_market.

~~~
jessriedel
I there a reason to think_this couldn