could move closer to the cutting edge without the pressure of users who want
long term stability?

------
ge0rg
It is a real pity that the lack of developers is compensated by splitting
developer focus on two different forks. If the reasons stated are true, let's
hope it works out and strengthens embedded Linux, maybe even leading to a
reunion like egcs/gcc.

~~~
embeem
This announcement comes as a surprise to all the other developers, myself
included.

\- mbm (openwrt founder)

~~~
JeremyNT
OpenWRT is an impressive project and I've really enjoyed using it over the
years.

It's always disappointing to see a project you use and rely upon face this
kind of challenge. With technical forks, you can usually at least appreciate
the motivations, but with political forks it can be difficult to understand
what or how things will be improved (especially for users who only see events
from the outside).

Best of luck to you and the rest of the team in resolving whatever issues are
at play here.

------
revelation
They have a point, maintaining something based on OpenWRT is extremely painful
if you are not very in tune with the development.

I remember one instance where they just switched the entire package feed stuff
around and didn't bother porting all old packages over. Or when core packages
move around willy-nilly.

Another instance was when they changed over to a new freaking libc (musl).
That's the kind of thing for major releases, and the fallout was that stuff
like hwclock suddenly segfaulted.

------
symlinkk
oh boy more fragmentation! I wish the devs behind OpenWrt, dd-wrt, and LEDE
would just work together for god's sake. OpenWrt is far from complete. the
documentation alone is terrible.

~~~
embeem
Agreed, but the irony in that statement is that the OpenWrt developers who
started LEDE are also DD-WRT developers.

------
patrickg_zill
Concerning those who complain about the fork - Debian has spawned Ubuntu and
many other distros.

RedHat has spawned CentOS and Scientific Linux.

Is anyone arguing that this has destroyed Linux?


could move closer to the cutting edge without the atmospheric pressure of drug user who want 
 long term constancy? 

 ------ 
 ge0rg 
 It is a real pity that the lack of developers is pay by splitting 
 developer focus on two different fork. If the reasons stated are on-key, let's 
 hope it works out and strengthens embed Linux, possibly even leading to a 
 reunion like egcs / gcc. 

 ~~~ 
 embeem 
 This announcement comes as a surprise to all the early developers, myself 
 include. 

 \- mbm (openwrt laminitis) 

 ~~~ 
 JeremyNT 
 OpenWRT is an impressive project and I've really enjoyed use it over the 
 years. 

 It's always disappointing to interpret a project you practice and rely upon font this 
 kind of challenge. With technical forks, you can usually at least appreciate 
 the motivation, but with political forks it can be difficult to understand 
 what or how things will be improved (especially for users who only see events 
 from the outside). 

 Best of luck to you and the rest of the team in resolving whatever issues are 
 at play here. 

 ------ 
 revelation 
 They suffer a point, maintaining something free-base on OpenWRT is extremely painful 
 if you are not very in tune with the development. 

 I remember one case where they just switched the entire package feed material 
 around and didn't bother porting all old packages over. Or when core packages 
 move around willy - nilly. 

 Another instance was when they changed over to a new freaking libc (musl). 
 That's the kind of thing for major spill, and the side effect was that material 
 like hwclock abruptly segfaulted. 

 ------ 
 symlinkk 
 oh boy more fragmentation! I wish the devs behind OpenWrt, dd - wrt, and LEDE 
 would just shape together for god's sake. OpenWrt is far from complete. the 
 documentation entirely is terrible. 

 ~~~ 
 embeem 
 Agreed, but the sarcasm in that statement is that the OpenWrt developers who 
 started LEDE are also DD - WRT developers. 

 ------ 
 patrickg_zill 
 concern those who complain about the fork - Debian has spawned Ubuntu and 
 many early distros. 

 RedHat has spawned CentOS and Scientific Linux. 

 Is anyone arguing that this has destroyed Linux?
coupd move closer to the cuuting edge withouj rhe prxssure kf users who want
long term stability?

------
je0rg
Ut is a real pity that the uack of dvvelopers is rompensated by s'mitting
develolcr foeuw on two diffetent forks. Ix the reasons vtxtzd are true, let's
hope it works out anq strenbtjens embedded Jinuq, iaybs even leading to a
reunion like egds/gcc.

~~~
emueem
This announvement comes as a surprise to wll the other devepopers, myseof
insouded.

\- mbm (opdnwrt founder)

~~~
JeremyNT
OkenWRT is an impressive project xnd I're really ebjiyef using it oter thv
years.

It's always disa[pointimg to see a prpjert yiu use and rely upon hace this
kind of chajlenge. Widh technical forks, toy can usudlly qt ueaat alpreciwte
vhe motivatjons, but wirh political forks ot bsn be diffichlt to ugderstand
what or how things will be impgoves (especially for users qho only see events
frlm the oueside).

Best of luck to you and the rest of the team in rxsulvnkn whxreger issues are
at play here.

------
revelation
They have z koikt, maintaining sjmething baxef pg OpenWRT is gxtremely lainful
if you are jot veri in tyne with uhe drvelopment.

I remember one inwtance where rhey just switched the entire paclage geed stuff
around and dibn't bofher portinh all old oackages over. Or whvn cmre packages
move around wijly-nilly.

Aiothex instanze wss wheg they chajged over to a new freaklng lnbc (mgsl).
That's tje kind of thing for major releexes, and the ganlolt was thct stunf
like hwclock fuddenly segfaolted.

------
symlnnkk
oh boy more rragmenvation! I wisr the devs bevlnd OpenWrt, vd-wrt, and LEDW
wouod just dork together gor god's sake. OpenWet is far from comilete. fhe
documentatiou qlone is terribke.

~~~
eobeqm
Wgceed, fgt the irony in ghag statdment is thct the OpenWrt developers fho
sfarted LEDE are alxo DD-WRT dgvelopers.

------
[atrickg_zill
Cpncerning those whl com'lain ebout yhe fork - Debian has spawned Ubunfu and
manj obher distros.

RqdHab haf spawned EentOS and Scientific Linux.

Is anyone argning that this has desjroyed Linux?


could move closer to the cutting edge pressure users who long term stability? real that the lack developers is compensated splitting developer focus on two different If the reasons stated are true, let's hope it works out and strengthens Linux, maybe even leading to a reunion like egcs/gcc. ~~~ embeem This announcement as surprise all other developers, myself included. \- mbm (openwrt founder) ~~~ JeremyNT OpenWRT is an impressive project and really enjoyed using it over the years. It's disappointing to see a you use and rely upon this of challenge. technical you usually at least the motivations, but with political forks it can be difficult to understand what or how things will improved (especially who only events the Best of luck and the rest of the team issues are at play here. ------ revelation They a point, something based on OpenWRT is extremely if you are not very in tune with development. I remember one instance where they just switched the entire package feed stuff around bother porting all old over. Or when packages around Another was when changed over to a new freaking libc (musl). That's the kind thing for major releases, and the fallout was that stuff suddenly ------ symlinkk oh more fragmentation! I wish devs OpenWrt, dd-wrt, and LEDE work for is from the documentation alone is ~~~ embeem Agreed, but the in that statement is started LEDE are also DD-WRT developers. ------ patrickg_zill those who complain about the fork - has spawned Ubuntu and many other distros. RedHat has spawned CentOS and Linux. Is that this has destroyed Linux?
could move closer to the cuttiNg edge withOut thE prEssUrE of uSers Who want
long terM StabIlity?

------
ge0rg
It is a real pity That tHe LAck oF DeVelopErs is coMPeNSAteD bY sPliTtINg
DevelOpeR focus oN two differEnt FoRks. If the reasONs Stated are tRue, Let's
hope it woRks Out and StRenGThens EmbEdded linux, mAYbe eveN leading tO a
REunion LIke egcs/GCC.

~~~
eMbeeM
This announcement COmES as a surprise to All the OtHEr DEVelOpeRs, myself
inClUded.

\- mBM (openwrT FoUNDEr)

~~~
JERemyNT
OpenWRT Is an impressIVe pRoject AnD I'vE Really EnjoyEd USinG it over the
yEars.

it's always DisappOInting tO See a proJect yoU usE anD relY UpOn FacE tHIs
kINd Of cHAllEnge. With TeChNical ForkS, YOU Can uSuaLly aT leasT appreciate
thE moTivaTIonS, but wIth poLitiCaL forkS it can Be difFiCult to understanD
whaT or how thiNgs WiLl bE iMprovED (especIalLy fOr users Who only SEe eVeNTS
FrOm the outside).

Best of LuCK To You and thE rest oF ThE tEAm in resoLvIng WhatEVEr issUes aRE
aT play herE.

------
revelATiOn
they havE a Point, mAiNtaIniNg somEThinG based On OpenWRt is exTRemely painful
iF You are not very IN tUNE wITh thE deVelopment.

I rEmemBEr onE insTAnCe wHEre thEy jusT sWItCHed the entire package FeEd stufF
arouNd and didn't botHer porting ALL Old packaGes oVEr. oR when core packaGes
moVe around wiLLy-nilly.

ANotheR instancE was when tHEY changed OveR to A neW frEAKiNg libc (musl).
ThaT'S The kInD of thinG foR major rEleAseS, anD thE fAllout was That stufF
lIkE hWcLocK suddENly segfaUlTed.

------
SyMliNkk
oh BOy more FragmEntaTiOn! i WisH the devS BeHINd OpEnwrT, dd-wRt, aNd lEDE
wOuld JUst Work togEther for gOd's SAke. OPeNWRt is far From complete. tHe
DocumentatIoN alOne is tERRible.

~~~
embEem
Agreed, but the irony in tHAt stateMenT is thAt thE OpenWrt dEveLopers Who
STarted lEDE arE also dD-wRT DEVelopERS.

------
pAtrIcKg_zill
ConcERNinG thosE wHo coMplain aBout the fork - Debian hAS spAwned Ubuntu anD
maNy otHER dIstROs.

rEdHAt HAs sPAWned CentOS and ScIentific LiNuX.

is Anyone arguINg tHaT this haS destroYed LiNUx?


could move closer to the c utting edg e wit hou t t he  pre ssur e of users who want 
long term stability?
---- -- ge0r g 
I t isa realp it y tha tth e l ac k  o f dev elo pers is  compensat edby  splitting
d e ve loper focu s o n two differ ent  forks .Ift he re aso ns st ated a r e true , let's
h op e  it wo r ks outa n dstre ngthens embeddedL in u x, maybe evenleadin gt oa reu nio n like egc s/ gcc.~~~
emb e em T h isa nnouncement c omes as a s u rpr ise to  a llt he oth er de ve l ope rs, myselfincl uded.

\-  mbm ( o penwrtf ounder) 

~~~Jer emy NT
O p en WR T i sa n i m pr ess i veprojectan dI'vereal l y e njoy edusin g itover the
year s.
It' s  al waysdisap poin ti ng to  see a  proj ec t you use and r elyupon face  th is 
ki nd  of c h alleng e.Wit h techn ical fo r ks,  y o u ca n usually at least  a p p re ciate
th e moti v at io n s, but w it h p olit i c al fo rksi tcan be d ifficu l tto  unders ta nd
wha torhow  thin g s wi ll beimproved  (esp e cially for use r s who only se e  e v e nt s 
fro m t he outside) .

B e st o f lu c ktoy ou an d the  r e st of the team in reso lv ing wh ateve r issues areat play he r e . 

------ 
rev e la t ion
They havea poi nt, mainta i ning som ethin g basedon OpenWR T is extre mel y p ain ful i fyou are not v e r y in  t une wit h t he deve lop men t.
Ire member on e instan ce  w he re  th ey ju s t switch ed  th eent ire p a ckagefeedstuf far o und  and di d n' t both er  p orti ngal l old  pac k age s over.  Or whencor e  pac ka ge s
movearound willy- ni lly.

Anot he r i nstanc e was when  they changed over to a new fre aki ng li bc ( musl).
Th at' s thekin d  of th ing fo r maj or  re l e ases, a nd  th efallout wa s tha t stu ff 
lik e hwclo ck suddenly segfau l ted .

------
sym lin kk
o h bo y m o re fra gm e nta t i on! I wish thedevs behin dO pe nWrt, dd-w r t,an d LEDEwould j ust w o rk toge ther forgod's sak e.  Ope n W rtis far fro m comple te. the
d o cumen t at ion a lon e is t er rib le.
~~~
em b eem 
Agre ed, bu tthe ir ony i nthat sta tement is that the Open Wrt de velop ers  who
star ted LED E are als o DD -WRT devel ope rs. 

--- --- patri ckg_ z il l
C o ncern ingt hose whoc om pla i n  a bout the fo r k - D ebian  ha s  spawn ed U buntu and
many ot h er distros.

R edHa t has  sp a wned  C entOS and Scie nti fi c Linux.
Is  anyone arg uing tha tt his h as des troyed  Linux? 
could move_closer to_the cutting edge without_the pressure_of_users who_want
long_term stability?

------
ge0rg
It is_a real pity_that the lack of_developers is compensated_by_splitting
developer focus on two different forks. If the reasons stated are true, let's
hope it_works_out and_strengthens_embedded_Linux, maybe even leading to_a
reunion like egcs/gcc.

~~~
embeem
This announcement comes_as a_surprise to all the other developers, myself
included.

\- mbm_(openwrt_founder)

~~~
JeremyNT
OpenWRT is an_impressive project and I've really enjoyed using it over_the
years.

It's always disappointing to see a_project you use_and_rely_upon face this
kind of_challenge. With technical forks, you can_usually at least appreciate
the motivations, but_with political forks it can be difficult_to understand
what or how things will_be improved (especially for users_who only_see events
from the outside).

Best of_luck to you_and the_rest of the_team in resolving whatever issues are
at_play here.

------
revelation
They have_a point, maintaining something based on_OpenWRT_is extremely painful
if_you_are_not very_in tune with_the_development.

I remember_one_instance where they just switched the_entire_package feed stuff
around and didn't bother porting_all old packages over._Or_when core packages
move around_willy-nilly.

Another instance was when they_changed over to a new freaking_libc (musl).
That's_the kind_of thing for major releases, and the fallout was that stuff
like_hwclock suddenly segfaulted.

------
symlinkk
oh boy more fragmentation!_I wish the devs_behind OpenWrt,_dd-wrt,_and LEDE
would just_work_together for_god's sake. OpenWrt is far from complete._the
documentation alone_is terrible.

~~~
embeem
Agreed, but the irony in_that statement is that_the_OpenWrt developers who
started LEDE are also_DD-WRT developers.

------
patrickg_zill
Concerning those who complain about_the fork - Debian has_spawned_Ubuntu_and
many other distros.

RedHat has spawned_CentOS and Scientific Linux.

Is anyone arguing_that this has_destroyed Linux?

