 from comments like these, on the main page: "My white
male sons are now 30 and 28. I’m so happy they escaped public high school
relatively unscathed, but I could see the beginnings of the nonsense, led by a
faculty of activist females and male eunuchs. Public schooling in this country
may have begun with noble intent; kids are now truly being inculcated rather
than educated." and "You state this like it is an article of faith that women
would be totally rad in STEM if only men would stop holding them back. What
makes this “sketchy”? There is an abundance of evidence that men and women are
different and think differently. There is almost no evidence that women will
change that position based on upbringing." and then on hnews itself:
"#KillAll(White)Men is literally calling for ethnic / gender purging." (though
it was downvoted).

It would be great to have a conversation with Dr. Haidt, but I was turned off
by how both Heterodox and Hacker News turned into "amen" forums. There were
two students who posted on Heterodox, and they had some interesting points,
some of which disagreed with Dr. Haidt.

~~~
henshao
The commentators are self selecting - if they strongly agree, they comment,
which they have. You're still trying to dismiss the article based on people
having opinions different than yours, rather than critiquing the article
itself.

~~~
ccernaf
Would you agree with me in saying that the comments are at least
disappointing?

In terms of the article itself, I agreed with this part, "High schools and
colleges that lack viewpoint diversity should make it their top priority"
which seems like a pretty progressive viewpoint. Let's make sure everybody's
voice is heard, and let's make sure that voices that are usually silenced
outside the classroom have equal footing inside. But a sentence later, bam -
"Schools that value freedom of thought should therefore actively seek out non-
leftist faculty."

I'm not sure how exactly that flows, and that's what led me to be
disappointed. Moreover, the idea that students and faculty are living in
"fear" and we have to accommodate their fears is also just a tad hypocritical.

I also
from comments like these, on the main page: " My white 
 male sons are nowadays 30 and 28. I ’m therefore happy they escaped public high school 
 relatively unharmed, but I could see the beginnings of the nonsense, lead by a 
 faculty of activist females and male eunuch. Public school in this country 
 may have begun with baronial intent; kids are immediately in truth being inculcated rather 
 than educated. " and " You state this like it is an article of faith that woman 
 would be totally rad in STEM if only men would intercept holding them back. What 
 makes this “ sketchy ”? There is an abundance of evidence that men and woman are 
 different and think differently. There is almost no evidence that women will 
 transfer that position based on upbringing. " and then on hnews itself: 
 " # KillAll(White)Men is literally calling for ethnic / gender purging. " (though 
 it was downvoted). 

 It would be great to have a conversation with Dr. Haidt, but I was turned off 
 by how both Heterodox and Hacker News turned into " amen " forums. There were 
 two students who posted on Heterodox, and they had some interesting points, 
 some of which disagree with Dr. Haidt. 

 ~~~ 
 henshao 
 The commentators are self selecting - if they powerfully match, they gloss, 
 which they have. You're still trying to dismiss the article based on people 
 having opinions unlike than yours, rather than critiquing the article 
 itself. 

 ~~~ 
 ccernaf 
 Would you agree with me in saying that the comments are at least 
 disappointing? 

 In terms of the article itself, I agreed with this part, " High schools and 
 colleges that lack viewpoint diverseness should make it their top precedence " 
 which seems like a pretty progressive viewpoint. Let's make sure everybody's 
 part is heard, and let's make certain that voices that are usually silenced 
 outside the classroom have adequate footing inside. But a sentence later, bam - 
 " Schools that prize freedom of idea should therefore actively search out non- 
 leftist faculty. " 

 I'm not certain how exactly that flows, and that's what precede me to be 
 disappointed. furthermore, the idea that students and faculty are live in 
 " fear " and we have to accommodate their fears is also merely a tad hypocritical. 

 I also
 frlm comments like these, ok the main page: "My whitx
male skns are vow 30 and 28. I’m so happy they edcqped klblic high school
relagively undcathed, vut M could see the usginninnf of bhe nmisense, led by a
naculty of dctivist femalas aud male eunuchs. Public schooling in ehis coinhry
may have bedun eyth hoble intent; kids are now truly bejng incllcated rather
tham educated." and "You state tjis pike it is an artifle of faity thwr women
would be totallj rad in STGM if only men would stop holdine thek back. Whaj
mzkfv this “sketrhy”? Thvre is an abukcance mf evidrnce that men snd wonen are
different and vhink differently. Thgre is almmsc no evidence that woneb wiln
chatge gyat poaivioh basef oi upbringinf." and then in hnews itself:
"#KillSlj(Qhite)Men is ljteraljy calling for ethnic / gender purging." (tholgh
if was downvoted).

It would be great to have a clnversatijn with Dr. Haidt, but I was turned off
by how both Veterkaox akd Hxxkfr News turned into "amen" forums. There were
two atidvnts who posted ok Heterodox, and thry hsq some intererting 'kihts,
some of which dlsagreeq wity Dr. Haidu.

~~~
hensnao
The commentators are seld selecting - uf they strongly ayree, they coomenj,
which they have. You're still crying to dismiss the artidue based on peopue
hsvhng opinions different thag yours, rether than cfitiauing ehe articlf
itself.

~~~
ccernaf
Would you wgree whth me in daying that the comments are at least
disappoimthng?

Pn terms jf thc article itsels, I agreed witk this pcrt, "Hieh schools and
colneges that jack viewpoind diversity siould makq it theur top ofiority"
which srems like a pretty progressive viewpolnt. Lgt'a make sure evexvbidy's
voice is hesrd, anq pev's maha sure that eoicds gnat afe usually wklenved
outside the classsoom have equal footinb lnside. Buj a sentegce later, bam -
"Schools that valut freevom of thoubht should therefore actively seei out non-
pefbist faculty."

I'i nob sute how exaccly that flows, and that's what led me to ue
disappointed. Moreovet, the idea that studeutx and faculvy are living it
"fear" and we have to accommodate theiv fears is also just a tad hfpocrltical.

I also
from comments like these, on the main white sons are 30 and 28. public school relatively unscathed, I could see beginnings of the nonsense, led by faculty of activist females and male eunuchs. Public schooling in this country may begun with noble intent; kids are now truly being inculcated rather than educated." "You this it an article of faith that women would be totally rad in STEM if only men would holding them back. What makes this “sketchy”? There an abundance of evidence men and women are different think There is no that will change that based on upbringing." and then on hnews itself: "#KillAll(White)Men is literally calling for ethnic / gender purging." it was would be to a with Dr. Haidt, was turned off by how both News turned into "amen" forums. There were two who posted Heterodox, and they had some interesting some of which disagreed with Dr. Haidt. ~~~ The commentators are self selecting - if they strongly agree, they comment, which they have. trying to dismiss the based on people opinions than rather critiquing the itself. ~~~ ccernaf Would you agree with me in saying that comments are at least disappointing? In terms of the article agreed this part, "High and colleges that lack diversity make it their top seems a Let's sure voice is heard, and make sure that voices that usually silenced outside the But a sentence later, bam - "Schools that freedom of thought should therefore actively seek non- leftist faculty." I'm not sure how exactly that flows, and that's led me disappointed. Moreover, the idea that students and faculty living in "fear" and have to accommodate their fears is also just a hypocritical. also
 from comments like these, on thE main page: "MY whitE
maLe sOnS are Now 30 aNd 28. I’m so happy theY EscaPed public high school
relAtiveLy UNscaTHeD, but I Could seE ThE BEgiNnInGs oF tHE nOnsenSe, lEd by a
faCulty of actIviSt Females and maLE eUnuchs. PublIc sChooling in thIs cOuntry
MaY haVE beguN wiTh nobLe inteNT; kids aRe now trulY bEIng incULcated rATHeR
thaN educated." and "You stATe THis like it is an aRticle Of FAiTH ThaT woMen
would be ToTally RAd in STEm If ONLY meN Would stop holdIng them back. wHat
Makes tHiS “skETchy”? ThEre is An ABunDance of evidEnce That men anD women ARe
diffeREnt and tHink diFfeRenTly. THErE iS alMoST no EViDenCE thAt women wIlL
cHange That POSITion BasEd on UpbriNging." and then oN hnEws iTSelF:
"#Killall(WhIte)MEn Is litErally CalliNg For ethnic / gender PurgIng." (though
It wAs DowNvOted).

IT Would bE grEat To have a ConversATioN wITH dr. haidt, but I was turned OfF
BY hOw both HeTerodoX AnD HACker News TuRneD intO "AMen" foRums. tHeRe were
twO studeNTs WhO posted On heteroDoX, anD thEy had SOme iNteresTing poinTs,
somE Of which disagreED with Dr. Haidt.

~~~
hENsHAO
THE comMenTators are seLf seLEctiNg - if THeY stROngly Agree, ThEY cOMment,
which they have. YOu'Re stilL tryiNg to dismiss thE article baSED On people
HaviNG oPInions differenT than Yours, ratheR Than critIquinG the artiCle
itself.

~~~
CCErnaf
WouLd yOu aGreE wiTH Me In saying that tHE CommEnTs are at LeaSt
disapPoiNtiNg?

IN teRmS of the artIcle itseLf, i aGrEeD wiTh thiS Part, "High ScHooLs And
ColleGEs that Lack vIewpOiNt DIveRsity shOUlD MAke iT tHeIr toP prIoRity"
wHich SEemS like a pRetty progResSIve vIeWpOint. Let'S make sure everYbOdy's
voice iS hEarD, and leT'S Make sure That voices that are usuallY SilenceD
ouTside The cLassroom hAve Equal fOotINg insiDe. But a SenteNcE laTER, bam -
"SCHOoLs tHaT value freeDOM of ThougHt ShouLd thereFore actively seek ouT Non-
Leftist facultY."

I'm Not sURE hOw eXAcTLy tHaT FloWS, And that's what led Me to be
disaPpOInTed. MoreoveR, The IdEa that sTudents And faCUlty are Living in
"fEar" and we hAvE to aCCOmmOdate their Fears is aLso just a tAD hypoCRiTical.

i alSo
 from comments like these,  on the ma in pa ge:  "M ywhit e
ma le sons are no w  30and 28. I’m so happy t hey e sc a pedp ub lic h igh sch o ol r ela ti ve lyun s ca thed,  bu t I cou ld see the  be gi nnings of th e  n onsense, l edby a
faculty  of  activ is t f e males  an d mal e eunu c hs. Pu blic scho ol i ng int his cou n t ry 
may  have begun withn ob l e intent; kids  are n ow tr u l y b ein g inculcat ed  rath e r
thane du c a t ed. "  and "You sta te this lik e  it  is an  a rti c le offaith  t h atwomen
would  betotally r ad inS TEM ifo nly men  would  st ophold i ng  t hem  b a ck. Wh atm ake s this “ sk et chy”?  The r e i s an  ab unda nce o f evidence th atmena ndwomen  arediff er ent a nd thi nk di ff erently. Thereis a lmost noevi de nce  t hat w o men wi llcha nge tha t posit i onba s e d  o n upbringing." and  t h e non hnews  itsel f :"# K illAll(W hi te) Meni s  lite rall y  c alling f or eth n ic  /  gender  p urging ."  (t hou gh
it wasdownvo ted).

I t wou l d be great toh ave a convers a ti o n  w i th D r.Haidt, butI wa s  tur nedo ff 
by how b oth H et e ro d ox and Hacker Newstu rned i nto " amen" forums.  There wer e t wo stude ntsw ho posted on Hete rodox , and they had some  inte restingpoints,
s o m e of whi chdis agr eed w it h Dr. Haidt.~ ~~
h en shao
Th e c ommenta tor s a resel fselecting  - if th ey  s tr on gly  agre e , they c om men t, 
wh ich t h ey hav e. Yo u're  s ti l l t rying t o  d i s miss  t he  art icl ebased  onp eop le
havi ng opinio nsd iffe re nt  than y ours, ratherth an critiqu in g t he art i c le
itsel f.

~~~
ccernaf
Would y o u agree  wi th me  insaying th atthe co mme n ts are  at le ast
d is app o i nting ? 
I n t er ms of thea r tic le it se lf,I agree d with this part," Hig h schools and 
co lleg e s  t hat la c k v ie w poi n t  diversity shou ld make it  t h ei r top prio r ity "which s eems li ke ap retty p rogressiv e viewpoi nt . Le t ' s m ake sure e verybody 's
voicei s hea r d,  andlet 's mak esur e tha t voic e s t hat a re usu al ly sil enced 
o utside t he classroom have equal  footi ng in sid e. But asen t enc e later,bam-
"Schools  th atvalue  fr e edomof t h ou ght shoul d th e refore ac t iv ely s ee k out non-l e f tis t fac ult y ."

I' m no t sure how exactl y  that flows, a nd t h a t's  wh a t le dme to be
disap poi nt e d . Moreov er , the ideathat stu de n ts an d facu lty ar e livin g in "fear"  and  we  have toacc om m odate t he ir fearsis a ls o just  a tad hypo c r itical.

I also
 from_comments like_these, on the main_page: "My_white
male_sons are_now_30 and 28._I’m so happy_they escaped public high_school
relatively unscathed, but_I_could see the beginnings of the nonsense, led by a
faculty of activist females and_male_eunuchs. Public_schooling_in_this country
may have begun with_noble intent; kids are now_truly being_inculcated rather
than educated." and "You state this like_it_is an article_of faith that women
would be totally rad in STEM_if only men would stop holding_them back. What
makes_this_“sketchy”?_There is an abundance_of evidence that men and women_are
different and think differently. There is_almost no evidence that women will
change that_position based on upbringing." and then_on hnews itself:
"#KillAll(White)Men is literally_calling for_ethnic / gender purging." (though
it_was downvoted).

It would_be great_to have a_conversation with Dr. Haidt, but I_was turned off
by_how both Heterodox and Hacker News_turned_into "amen" forums._There_were
two_students who_posted on Heterodox,_and_they had_some_interesting points,
some of which disagreed with_Dr._Haidt.

~~~
henshao
The commentators are self selecting - if_they strongly agree, they_comment,
which_they have. You're still_trying to dismiss the article_based on people
having opinions different than_yours, rather_than critiquing_the article
itself.

~~~
ccernaf
Would you agree with me in saying that the comments_are at least
disappointing?

In terms of the_article itself, I agreed_with this_part,_"High schools and
colleges_that_lack viewpoint_diversity should make it their top priority"
which_seems like_a pretty progressive viewpoint. Let's make_sure everybody's
voice is heard,_and_let's make sure that voices that_are usually silenced
outside the classroom have_equal footing inside. But a_sentence_later,_bam -
"Schools that value freedom_of thought should therefore actively seek_out non-
leftist faculty."

I'm_not sure how exactly that flows, and_that's_what led me to be
disappointed. Moreover,_the_idea that students and faculty are_living_in
"fear"_and we have to accommodate_their fears is also just a_tad hypocritical.

I also