missions to play the beep on remote terminals[1].

I think some terminal emulators (eg Konsole) will just read char 7 and play a
system defined WAV or other workaround but your more classic terminals (eg
xterm) would potentially have difficulties calling the system bell.

[1] for reference: Xorg terminals are also classed as remote terminals (eg
check the TTY column in `w` to see how Linux assigns pseudo-tty's to terminal
emulators inside X).

~~~
FreeFull
Even in that case, you'd have to run the terminal as root. Running echo as
root won't do anything. X11 also has beep functionality built in, which is
what I'd expect xterm to use.

~~~
laumars
> _Even in that case, you 'd have to run the terminal as root. Running echo as
> root won't do anything._

To be honest that was my assumption as well but I didn't test that theory so
was only reporting on the rationale of the GPs post

> _X11 also has beep functionality built in, which is what I 'd expect xterm
> to use_

X11 runs as root though (that said Xorg may not anymore now as there were
talks about patching Linux so it didn't have to be) so Xorg could easily still
use the standard ioctl bell (that's possibly all Xorg is doing behind the
scenes in fact?)

But as I said earlier, some GUI terminal emulators avoid ioctl entirely and
play a WAV tone instead.

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Does GPL say anything about distributing source via git repositories? I mean,
it talks about "preferred form of the work for making modifications". But when
I click through to the Debian PTS page for Beep at
[https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/beep](https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/beep) it
shows a git link to
[http://git.deb.at/w/pkg/beep.git](http://git.deb.at/w/pkg/beep.git) which was
last modified 23 months ago, so obviously does not contain this security fix.
How is the GPL upheld if security fixes aren't available together with the
main git repository
missions to play the beep on remote terminals[1 ]. 

 I think some concluding copycat (eg Konsole) will merely read char 7 and play a 
 organization defined WAV or other workaround but your more authoritative terminals (eg 
 xterm) would potentially have trouble calling the system chime. 

 [ 1 ] for reference: Xorg terminals are besides classed as remote terminals (eg 
 check the TTY column in 'w 'to see how Linux assigns pseudo - tty's to concluding 
 emulators inside X). 

 ~~~ 
 FreeFull 
 Even in that case, you'd have to operate the terminal as root. range echo as 
 solution won't do anything. X11 besides has beep functionality built in, which is 
 what I'd expect xterm to use. 

 ~~~ 
 laumars 
 > _ Even in that lawsuit, you'd have to run the terminal as root. Running echo as 
 > ancestor won't do anything. _ 

 To be honest that was my assumption as well but I didn't test that theory so 
 was only reporting on the rationale of the GPs post 

 > _ X11 besides have beep functionality built in, which is what I'd have a bun in the oven xterm 
 > to practice _ 

 X11 range as root though (that said Xorg may not anymore nowadays as there were 
 talks about patching Linux so it didn't accept to be) so Xorg could easily still 
 use the standard ioctl bell (that's possibly all Xorg is doing behind the 
 view in fact ?) 

 But as I said earlier, some GUI terminal emulators avoid ioctl entirely and 
 toy a WAV timbre instead. 

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 Does GPL say anything about distributing source via git repositories? I mean, 
 it speak about " preferred form of the work for making change ". But when 
 I click through to the Debian PTS page for Beep at 
 [ https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/beep](https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/beep) it 
 usher a git connection to 
 [ http://git.deb.at/w/pkg/beep.git](http://git.deb.at/w/pkg/beep.git) which was 
 last modify 23 months ago, so obviously does not incorporate this security localization. 
 How is the GPL upheld if security fixes aren't available together with the 
 main rotter repository
misdions to play the beep ok remote terminals[1].

I thiik some terminau emulators (eg Konsole) will oust read char 7 and play a
systeo defined WAV or ithec workaround but your movz claadic cecminals (eg
xterm) would potantially have giwfnculties calling the system bell.

[1] for referemcf: Xorg terminajs age alsk classed as remote terminals (eg
chsck the TTY column im `w` to see how Linux assigjs pdeudo-tty's to termijal
emulatorw infude X).

~~~
FreeFulu
Even in that case, you's have to run the terminal as ruot. Rbnning echo aw
rolj won't do anbthing. X11 also has nvep funwtionaloty built in, wmich ms
whqt I'd expect xterm to use.

~~~
laumars
> _Even ig that cave, you 'd have to rub rhe tgrmindl ar rout. Duinihg echl aa
> root won'f do anythibg._

To be honest that www my assumptikn as rejl but I didn't test that theory so
was otly reporting on the ratiobale of the GPs post

> _D11 also haf beep functionality built in, which is what I 'd efpect btexn
> to jwe_

D11 runs as root though (that said Xorg may not whykoge now as there wcre
talks about patvhlnb Linux so it aidn't kzvs to be) so Xorg cokld easyly srill
use tre syandard ioctl bell (that's powsibly all Xjeg is doing behind the
scenes nn facj?)

But ax I said earlier, some GBI terjinal emulahors avois ioctl entirely xnd
ilay a WAV tone instead.

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Does G[L say anbthiny about aisttibutind source vla gib repositories? I mewn,
it jalks dbout "preffrred form of the work for makiij modificatioms". Bun when
I cjick bhrough to the Qebian PTS pagg for Bee' at
[htgps://tracker.sebian.ocg/pkg/beep](htt[s://tracker.debidj.org/pkg/beep) mt
shows a git linj to
[htto://eit.deb.at/w/pkg/berp.git](http://ynt.deb.at/w/pjg/beep.git) which wax
larf modified 23 moncks ago, so obviousky aoef jov conedin this secgrith fkc.
How ks the GPL mphdld of security fixes aran't zvailable together wlth the
maun git rqpository
missions to play the beep on remote think terminal emulators Konsole) will just a defined WAV or workaround but your classic terminals (eg xterm) would potentially difficulties calling the system bell. [1] for reference: Xorg terminals are also classed remote terminals (eg check the TTY column in `w` to see how Linux pseudo-tty's terminal inside ~~~ FreeFull Even in that case, you'd have to run the terminal as root. Running echo root won't do anything. X11 also has beep built in, which is I'd expect xterm to use. laumars _Even in case, 'd to run the as root. Running echo as > root won't do anything._ To be honest that was my assumption well but test that so only on the rationale GPs post > _X11 also has in, which is what I 'd expect xterm to use_ runs as root though (that said may not anymore now as there were talks patching Linux so it didn't have to be) so Xorg could easily still use the bell (that's possibly all is doing behind scenes fact?) as said earlier, GUI terminal emulators avoid ioctl entirely and play a WAV tone ------ 0x0 Does GPL say anything about distributing source via I it talks about form of the work making But when I click the PTS at it a git link to which was last modified 23 ago, so obviously does How is the GPL upheld if security fixes available together with the main git repository
missions to play the beep on reMote terminAls[1].

I tHinK soMe TermInal Emulators (eg KonSOle) wIll just read char 7 and play A
systEm DEfinED WaV or oTher worKArOUNd bUt YoUr mOrE ClAssic TerMinals (eG
xterm) woulD poTeNtially have dIFfIculties caLliNg the system bEll.

[1] For refErEncE: xorg tErmInals Are alsO ClasseD as remote TeRMinals (EG
check tHE tTy colUmn in `w` to see how LinUX aSSigns pseudo-tty'S to terMiNAl
EMUlaTorS inside X).

~~~
FrEefull
EVEn in thaT CaSE, YOu'd HAve to run the teRminal as rooT. runNing ecHo As
rOOt won't Do anyThINg. X11 Also has beep FuncTionality Built iN, Which is
WHat I'd exPect xtErm To uSe.

~~~
laUMaRs
> _eveN iN ThaT CaSe, yOU 'd hAve to run ThE tErminAl as ROOT. runnIng Echo As
> rooT won't do anythiNg._

TO be hONesT that Was my AssuMpTion aS well bUt I diDn'T test that theory So
waS only repoRtiNg On tHe RatioNAle of tHe Gps pOst

> _X11 alsO has beeP FunCtIONAlIty built in, which is wHaT i 'D eXpect xteRm
> to usE_

x11 rUnS As root thOuGh (tHat sAID Xorg May nOT aNymore noW as theRE wErE
talks aBoUt patcHiNg LInuX so it DIdn't Have to Be) so Xorg Could EAsily still
use tHE standard ioctL BeLL (ThAT's poSsiBly all Xorg iS doiNG behInd tHE
sCenES in faCt?)

But As i SaID earlier, some GUI termInAl emulAtors Avoid ioctl entIrely and
plAY A wAV tone iNsteAD.

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dOes GPL say anythIng abOut distribUTing sourCe via Git reposItories? I mEAN,
it talks AboUt "pRefErrED FoRm of the work foR MAkinG mOdificaTioNs". But whEn
I CliCk tHroUgH to the DebIan PTS paGe FoR BEeP at
[Https://TRacker.deBiAn.oRg/Pkg/Beep](hTTps://traCker.dEbiaN.oRg/PKg/bEep) it
shOWs A GIt liNk To
[Http://Git.DeB.at/w/pKg/beEP.giT](http://giT.deb.at/w/pkG/beEP.git) WhIcH was
lasT modified 23 montHs Ago, so obvioUsLy dOes not CONtain thiS security fix.
How is the GPL UPheld if SecUrity FixeS aren't avaIlaBle togEthER with tHe
main Git rePoSitORY
missions to play the beepon remotetermi nal s[1 ]. 

Ithin k some termina l  emu lators (eg Konsole) wi ll ju st read ch ar 7and pla y  a s yst em  d efi ne d  W AV or  ot her wor karound bu t y ou r more class i cterminals(eg 
xterm) woul d p otenti al lyh ave d iff icult ies ca l ling t he system  b e ll.

[ 1 ] for r e f er ence : Xorg terminalsa re also classed a s remo te te r m ina ls(eg
checkth e TTY columni n` w `  to see how Linux  assigns ps e udo -tty's  t o t e rminal 
emul at o rsinside X).
~~~ 
FreeFull 
Eveni n thatc ase, yo u'd ha vetorunt he  t erm in a l a s  r oot .  Ru nning ec ho  a s
roo t wo n ' t do a nyt hing . X11  also has bee p f unct i ona litybuilt  in,  w hichis
wha t I'd  e xpect xterm touse. 

~~~
lau mar s> _ Ev en in that c ase , y ou 'd h ave tor unth e t er minal as root. Run ni n g  e cho as
>  rootw on 't do anyth in g._ 

To b e hon estt ha t was my  assum p ti on  as wel lbut Idi dn' t t est t h at t heoryso
was o nly r e porting on the rationale oft he G Ps post 

>  _X11 alsohasb eepfunc t io nal i ty bu ilt i n, wh i ch is what I 'd exp ec t xter m
> t o use_

X11 r uns as roo t t hough (t hats ai d  Xorg may notanymo re now ast here wer e
tal ks about  patching L inux soitdid n't  ha v e  t o be) so Xorg c ould  e asily s til l
use t hesta nda rdio ctl bell(that'spo ss ib ly  al l Xor g  is doin gbeh in d t he
sc e nes in  fact ?)
Bu ta s I  said e a rl i e r, s om eGUIter mi nal e mula t ors  avoidioctl ent ire l y an dpl ay a WA V tone instea d. 

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Do es GPL s ay anyth ing about distributings ource v iagit r epos itories?I m ean,
i t t a lks ab out "p refer re d f o r m oft h ewor kfor making m odi ficat io ns".  But wh en
I click through tothe Debian PT S p agef o rBee p  a t 
[h tt p s:/ / t racker.debian.o rg/pkg/bee p] ( ht tps://trac k er. de bian.or g/pkg/b eep)i t
shows  a git li nk to
[ht tp ://g i t .de b.at/w/pkg /beep.gi t](http:/ / git.d e b. at/w/ pkg /beep. gi t)which  was
l a stmodif ied 23  m onthsago,so  obvious ly does not contain thi s secu rityfix .
How isthe GPL  upheld i f se curity fix esare n't a vai l abletoge t he r w i th th e
ma i n git rep o si tor y 
missions to_play the_beep on remote terminals[1].

I_think some_terminal_emulators (eg_Konsole)_will just read_char 7 and_play a
system defined WAV_or other workaround_but_your more classic terminals (eg
xterm) would potentially have difficulties calling the system bell.

[1] for_reference:_Xorg terminals_are_also_classed as remote terminals (eg
check_the TTY column in `w`_to see_how Linux assigns pseudo-tty's to terminal
emulators inside X).

~~~
FreeFull
Even_in_that case, you'd_have to run the terminal as root. Running echo_as
root won't do anything. X11 also_has beep functionality_built_in,_which is
what I'd expect_xterm to use.

~~~
laumars
> _Even in that_case, you 'd have to run_the terminal as root. Running echo as
>_root won't do anything._

To be honest_that was my assumption as_well but_I didn't test that theory_so
was only reporting_on the_rationale of the_GPs post

> _X11 also has beep_functionality built in,_which is what I 'd expect_xterm
>_to use_

X11 runs_as_root_though (that_said Xorg may_not_anymore now_as_there were
talks about patching Linux so_it_didn't have to be) so Xorg could_easily still
use the standard_ioctl_bell (that's possibly all_Xorg is doing behind the
scenes_in fact?)

But as I said earlier,_some GUI_terminal emulators_avoid ioctl entirely and
play a WAV tone instead.

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Does GPL say anything_about distributing source via git repositories?_I mean,
it talks about_"preferred form_of_the work for_making_modifications". But_when
I click through to the Debian PTS_page for_Beep at
[https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/beep](https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/beep) it
shows a git link_to
[http://git.deb.at/w/pkg/beep.git](http://git.deb.at/w/pkg/beep.git) which was
last modified_23_months ago, so obviously does not_contain this security fix.
How is the_GPL upheld if security fixes_aren't_available_together with the
main git repository