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cmiles74
Pinterest is caching these images on their servers, not their customers who
are only pasting in links. I find it hard to believe that these end-users will
be held liable for an implementation detail on Pinterest's end. And linking, I
believe is legal.

These are images that are publicly available on the internet and have been
made available, in most cases, by the owner. Is there really a case that
copying these images off the internet is illegal?

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ceol
It's not an issue of copying images off the Internet. It's an issue with
_redistributing_ it, which Pinterest does. Just because an image is on the
Internet does not mean it's up for grabs to whoever gets it.

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billpatrianakos
What we have here is manufactured outrage. Total non-story. I hope others
don't start piling on now that this has been written.

The real deal is that Pinterest is screwed either way. These terms sound scary
but so long as they are enforced sanely there should be no problem. What do
you expect them to do? Assume liability for users posting content they should
not be posting? They might as well not exist. A lot of startups these days may
as well not even try to get traction as long as bloggers keep getting their
panties in a twist over every TOS they see.

Pinterest provides a service for free that people seem to love. So long as no
one is paying them and they haven't gone public they're damn smart to have
these terms. If I ran Pinterest I wouldn't want to assume liability for some
asshole who leaks a top secret photo on my site that I let him use for free
and as long as I'm giving that service for free I'm going to make some cash
out of my users. This is nowhere near evil. It's business. If someone doesn't
like it they don't have to use it.

Question: How do you get over writer's block? Answer: Start reading some terms
of service or privacy policy docs from any popular online startup and
manufacture some outrage over it. Truth is, if you read any TOS or privacy
policy you're going to find something you can turn into a big deal most of the
time.
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 cmiles74 
 Pinterest is caching these picture on their server, not their customers who 
 are only pasting in link. I find it hard to think that these end - users will 
 be held apt for an execution detail on Pinterest's end. And yoke, I 
 believe is legal. 

 These are images that are publicly available on the internet and have been 
 made available, in most case, by the owner. Is there really a subject that 
 copying these images off the internet is illegal? 

 ~~~ 
 ceol 
 It's not an topic of copying images off the Internet. It's an issue with 
 _ redistribute _ it, which Pinterest does. Just because an double is on the 
 Internet does not mean it's up for grab to whoever gets it. 

 ------ 
 billpatrianakos 
 What we have here is manufactured outrage. Total non - floor. I hope others 
 don't start piling on now that this has been written. 

 The real softwood is that Pinterest is screwed either way. These terms sound scary 
 but so long as they are enforced sanely there should be no problem. What do 
 you expect them to do? bear liability for users post contentedness they should 
 not be posting? They might as well not exist. A lot of startup these days may 
 as well not even try to get grip as long as bloggers keep getting their 
 panties in a twist over every TOS they see. 

 Pinterest provides a service for free that people seem to sleep together. So long as no 
 one is pay up them and they haven't run public they're damn smart to have 
 these term. If I ran Pinterest I wouldn't want to assume indebtedness for some 
 asshole who leak a top secret photo on my web site that I let him use for free 
 and as long as I'm giving that military service for free I'm go to make some cash 
 out of my user. This is nowhere near evil. It's business. If someone doesn't 
 wish it they don't have to use it. 

 Question: How do you drive over writer's block? solution: Start reading some terms 
 of avail or privacy policy docs from any popular online startup and 
 manufacture some indignation over it. Truth is, if you read any TOS or privacy 
 policy you're travel to find something you can turn into a big deal most of the 
 time.
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cmiles74
Pinuerest is caching these mmages kn their servers, not their customers wyo
are only pasting in links. I find in hard to belmeve that these xhd-users will
bs helb oiable for an lmplementathon detail on [ivtzrest's end. And linking, I
believe is lqgal.

Thexe are images thwt age pubmpcoy available on the internet znd havt been
made availabke, in most cases, by the owjer. Ls there really a fase that
cokgind these imager off the puternet is jllegal?

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ceol
It's not an issue of zopyiug images odf thf Internet. Iv's an pssue with
_redlxtribuding_ it, which Pinterext voes. Just because an imagx is on the
Internet qoes not kecn it's up for grabs ti qhoevgr geds ig.

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vilupaurienaios
Whah wx have here is manufacrured outrage. Total njb-story. I hope otherf
djn't start piling on now that this has bten wditten.

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but so long as they dre eifurctd saneut hhere should be no problem. What do
you expect egek no do? Assume liabllity for users poxtlnb content they shoulb
hof be posting? They light af welo not exift. A lot of startups these days may
as well uot even try to get txaction as lung ss blpggers keep getting thenr
pantjes in a twlst over sxery TOS they sed.

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oka is paying them ajd thgy havan't gone pkblic they're damn smart to have
viese terms. If I rat Pinterzst I eouldn't want eo assume liabnlity fox some
xsshole whk leaks a top secrqt photo on mf site that I let him use for free
ana as long as I'm giving tkct servicw for free I'm goinn to ozke some cash
ouc if my users. Thix ir njwjece news evil. It's bgsindss. Of sooeone doesn'b
liye iy they don't have to gse jt.

Question: How do uom get ovet writer's block? Answer: Start reading somt termv
of servoce or privacy policy docs from ahy populag okline startup and
nanufacture xome outrage over it. Truth is, if you reed any TOS or privacy
pooicy you're going to nind somethiig you can turn into a big deal mosr of the
time.
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cmiles74
PInterest is CachiNg tHesE iMageS on tHeir servers, not THeir Customers who
are only pasTing iN lINks. I FInD it haRd to belIEvE THat ThEsE enD-uSErS will
Be hEld liabLe for an impLemEnTation detail ON PInterest's eNd. ANd linking, I
beLieVe is leGaL.

ThESe are ImaGes thAt are pUBlicly Available On THe inteRNet and hAVE bEen
mAde available, in mosT CaSEs, by the owner. Is There rEaLLy A CAse ThaT
copying thEsE imagES off the INtERNEt iS Illegal?

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ceol
It'S not an issue OF coPying iMaGes OFf the INternEt. iT's aN issue with
_rEdisTributing_ It, whicH pintereST does. JuSt becaUse An iMage IS oN tHe
INtERneT DoEs nOT meAn it's up fOr GrAbs to WhoeVER GEts iT.

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biLlpaTrianAkos
What we havE heRe is MAnuFactuRed ouTragE. TOtal nOn-storY. I hopE oThers
don't start pIlinG on now thaT thIs Has BeEn wriTTen.

The ReaL deAl is thaT PinterESt iS sCREWeD either way. These terMs SOUnD scary
buT so lonG As ThEY are enfoRcEd sAnelY THere sHoulD Be No probleM. What dO
YoU eXpect thEm To do? AsSuMe lIabIlity FOr usErs posTing contEnt thEY should
not be poSTing? They might AS wELL nOT exiSt. A Lot of startuPs thESe daYs maY
As WelL Not evEn try To GEt TRaction as long as blogGeRs keep GettiNg their
pantieS in a twist oVER Every TOS They SEe.

pInterest providEs a seRvice for frEE that peoPle seEm to love. so long as nO
ONe is payiNg tHem And TheY HAvEn't gone public THEy're DaMn smart To hAve
thesE teRms. if I Ran piNterest I wOuldn't waNt To AsSuMe lIabilITy for somE
aSshOlE whO leakS A top seCret pHoto On My SIte That I leT HiM USe foR fReE
and As lOnG as I'm GiviNG thAt serviCe for free i'm gOIng tO mAkE some caSh
out of my userS. THis is nowheRe NeaR evil. IT'S Business. if someone doesn't
like it thEY don't haVe tO use iT.

QueStion: How dO yoU get ovEr wRIter's bLock? AnSwer: STaRt rEADing sOME tErmS
oF service or PRIvaCy polIcY docS from anY popular online starTUp aNd
manufacture SomE outRAGe OveR It. tRutH iS, If yOU Read any TOS or priVacy
policy YoU'Re Going to finD SomEtHing you Can turn Into a BIg deal mOst of the
tIme.
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------cmile s74 
Pi nt eres t is  caching these imag es on their servers, n ot th ei r  cus t om ers w ho
areo nl y pas ti ng  in  l i nk s. Ifin d it ha rd to beli eve  t hat these en d -u sers willbeheld liablefor  an im pl eme n tatio n d etail  on Pi n terest 's end. A nd linkin g , I
bel i e ve  islegal.

These are im a ges that are p ublicl ya va i l abl e o n the inte rn et an d  have b e en m a dea vailable, inmost cases, bythe ow ne r.I s ther e rea ll y  acase that
c opyi ng theseimages off the interne t is i lle gal ?

~ ~ ~ce olIt ' s n o tani ssu e of cop yi ng  imag es o f f t he I nte rnet . It' s an issue wi th_red i str ibuti ng_ i t, w hi ch Pi nteres t doe s.  Just because a n im age is on  th eInt er net d o es not  me anit's up  for gr a bsto w h oe ver gets it.

---- -- b il lpatrian akos
W h at  w e  have he re  is  man u f actur ed o u tr age. Tot al non - st or y. I ho pe  other sdon 'tstart pili ng onnow that  this has been writt e n.

The reald ea l is that  Pi nterest isscre w ed e ithe r  w ay. These  term ss ou n d scary
but so long  a s they  areenforced sane ly there s h o u ld be no  pro b le m . What do
youexpec t them tod o? Assum e lia bility f or usersp o sting co nte ntthe y s h o ul d
not be post i n g? T he y might  as  well n otexi st.  Alo t of star tups the se  d ay smay 
as w e ll not e ve n t ry  to  gett ractio n aslong  a sb log gers ke e pg e ttin gth eirpan ti es in  a t w ist  over e very TOSthe y  see .
P interes t provides ase rvice forfr eethat p e o ple seem  to love. So long as no one ispay ing t hemand theyhav en't g one public  they' re da mn  sm a r t toh a ve 
th es e terms. I f I r an Pi nt eres t I wou ldn't want to assu m e l iability forsom e
as s h ol e w h ol eak sa  to p secret photo on  my site t ha t  I  let him u s e f or  free
a nd as l ong a s  I'm gi ving that  servicefo r fr e e  I' m going to  make so me cash
o u t ofm yusers . T his is  n owh ere n ear ev i l.It'sbusine ss . If s omeon edoesn'tlike it they don't have  to us e it. 

Q uestion:How doyou get o verwriter's b loc k?Answe r:S tartread i ng  so m e ter ms
o f  serviceo rpri v a cy  policy doc s f rom  anypop u lar on line  startup and
manu f acture some ou trag e ove r i t . Tr ut h is, if you r ead  a n y  TOS orpr ivacy
polic y you're  g o ing t o find  somet hing yo u ca n  turninto  abig dealmos to f the
t im e. 
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cmiles74
Pinterest is_caching these_images on their servers,_not their_customers_who
are only_pasting_in links. I_find it hard_to believe that these_end-users will
be held_liable_for an implementation detail on Pinterest's end. And linking, I
believe is legal.

These are images_that_are publicly_available_on_the internet and have been
made_available, in most cases, by_the owner._Is there really a case that
copying these images_off_the internet is_illegal?

~~~
ceol
It's not an issue of copying images off the_Internet. It's an issue with
_redistributing_ it,_which Pinterest does._Just_because_an image is on_the
Internet does not mean it's up_for grabs to whoever gets it.

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billpatrianakos
What_we have here is manufactured outrage. Total_non-story. I hope others
don't start piling_on now that this has_been written.

The_real deal is that Pinterest_is screwed either_way. These_terms sound scary
but_so long as they are enforced_sanely there should_be no problem. What do
you expect_them_to do? Assume_liability_for_users posting_content they should
not_be_posting? They_might_as well not exist. A lot_of_startups these days may
as well not even_try to get traction_as_long as bloggers keep_getting their
panties in a twist_over every TOS they see.

Pinterest provides_a service_for free_that people seem to love. So long as no
one is paying_them and they haven't gone public_they're damn smart to_have
these terms._If_I ran Pinterest_I_wouldn't want_to assume liability for some
asshole who leaks_a top_secret photo on my site that_I let him use_for_free
and as long as I'm giving_that service for free I'm going_to make some cash
out of_my_users._This is nowhere near evil._It's business. If someone doesn't
like it_they don't have_to use it.

Question: How do you get_over_writer's block? Answer: Start reading some_terms
of_service or privacy policy docs from_any_popular_online startup and
manufacture some outrage_over it. Truth is, if you_read any TOS or privacy
policy you're going to find_something you can_turn into a big deal_most_of_the
time.