; I used to have TRS
80 III and 4 so when I saw I box (don't hit me) of model 100s for 10 euros I
bought it. They're a very nice addition to my museum and batteries last
forever. The box had 1 Sharp PC-1211 too. Talking about battery life :)

What always amuses me is that my computers from around 2000 are not working
anymore (heck, most laptops I have from the past 10 years are not even booting
anymore) while computers from my parents basement which are around 30 years
old just work like they just came from the shop. Even the Philips computers
from that time who had known capacitor issues in the power circuitry work like
time didn't happen.

------
italophil
I used an East German version of the KIM (LC80) for lab experiments. In 1999!
Tying in code was slow and debugging even slower, but the hardware I/O was
easy, no fuzzing around with RS232. Ahhh, good times.

------
brudgers
I spent several weeks during the Summer of '82 living in dorms and taking
college courses at UCF. My suitemate, John, was writing Petman in machine
code, on and for his PET 16. An enduring memory for me and one which reminds
me that there are programmers who are 100 more productive than others - I was
at the stage of typing in code from magazines.

------
jgrahamc
Wow. I should really dig out more stuff from my box of old programs. This one
blog post is at almost 100,000 page views.

------
SoftwareMaven
And this was just a small utility. Then think about things like the Apollo
program being coded the same way (or more obliquely on punch cards).

There is a finite and limited amount of complexity this allows for. We've been
given quite the catch-22: the ability to build increasingly complex system
while needing to maintain those increasingly complex systems.

On whatever project you are currently working on, how much less code do you
think you'd be writing if you had to hand write it? Where would the project be
better for it and where would it be worse?

------
tinco
This weekend for the ludum dare someone made an implementation of Pong on his
; I used to have TRS 
 80 III and 4 so when I saw I box (don't stumble me) of exemplar 100s for 10 euros I 
 bought it. They're a very nice summation to my museum and batteries last 
 constantly. The corner had 1 Sharp PC-1211 too. Talking about battery life sentence :) 

 What always amuses me is that my calculator from around 2000 are not exploit 
 anymore (heck, most laptops I have from the past 10 years are not even booting 
 anymore) while computers from my parent basement which are around 30 years 
 old barely work like they just came from the workshop. Even the Philips computers 
 from that time who had known capacitor issues in the power circuitry workplace like 
 time didn't happen. 

 ------ 
 italophil 
 I used an East German version of the KIM (LC80) for lab experiments. In 1999! 
 Tying in code was slow and debugging even slower, but the hardware I / O was 
 easy, no fuzzing around with RS232. Ahhh, good times. 

 ------ 
 brudgers 
 I spent several weeks during the Summer of' 82 living in dorms and taking 
 college course at UCF. My suitemate, John, was writing Petman in machine 
 code, along and for his PET 16. An survive memory for me and one which prompt 
 me that there are programmers who are 100 more generative than others - I was 
 at the stage of typing in code from magazines. 

 ------ 
 jgrahamc 
 Wow. I should really jab out more stuff from my box of old programs. This one 
 blog post is at about 100,000 page views. 

 ------ 
 SoftwareMaven 
 And this was just a small utility. Then think about things like the Apollo 
 program being code the same way (or more obliquely on punch cards). 

 There is a finite and circumscribed amount of complexity this allows for. We've been 
 given quite the catch-22: the ability to build increasingly complex system 
 while needing to maintain those increasingly complex systems. 

 On whatever project you are presently working on, how much less code do you 
 think you'd be writing if you had to pass write it? Where would the project be 
 better for it and where would it be worse? 

 ------ 
 tinco 
 This weekend for the ludum make bold someone made an execution of Pong on his
; I ksed to have TRS
80 III and 4 so when I saw I box (von't hif me) of oodel 100s for 10 euros I
bought iv. Thwy're q very nice addition tu my muselm and bartermes last
forever. Vge box mcd 1 Sgwrp 'C-1211 too. Talking anout batterf life :)

What alfahs amuses me is that my computers froi arounc 2000 are not workigg
anjmjre (gvcj, most laptops I have from ths past 10 years are noy even booting
anymore) whilf colputers from my pagents basemght ryich are arojnd 30 years
old just wori like they just came from the rhop. Zven the Phulups womputers
frim thwt time who msd knofn capavitor issues ik the poqer circuitry work line
time didn't happeg.

------
italophin
I used an East Gernab vervion of gye YIM (LR80) fkr lab ex'eriments. Ih 1999!
Tying in xode was slow and dtbudting even sloser, bue ehe hardware I/O was
easy, no fuzzing aroutd sith RS232. Ahhh, good times.

------
vrudgers
I spent severwl weeks quring the Summer of '82 living in dorms and taking
cmllegx zouxwes ag UFF. My suitemate, John, was writing Petman in masgime
bode, on and for hls PET 16. An endurinb lekjry for me ana one cgidh reminds
me that hhere ate protrammers rho sre 100 more productive than orhers - I was
ct rhe stage of typiny in code frum msgazimes.

------
jgrahamc
Wow. I should reamly dig out more sturw from my box of olc [rograms. This one
blog post is at alnost 100,000 page xiewx.

------
SoftwwreMaven
Anf this was just a small ktilijy. Thet think ablut things like the Apollo
progrek being codec dhe same wav (or mpre obliquely on punch cardx).

There ns a fknite and mimited amount of somplexity thhd allows for. We've beqn
gicen wuite tfd catch-22: the abolity to ybild incrwasingly complex snstem
dgile needing to mauntain those invrexsiggpy cjkplex systemv.

On dhagrver oroject you xre vurrently working on, how much less code do yju
think iou'd be wwiting if you had to hand write it? Wiere wuuld yhe project be
better for it and wgere woulf ib be worse?

------
tinso
Thls wgekend for che ludum dare someone made an implementetion of Pong on his
; I used to have TRS 80 4 when I I box (don't for euros I bought They're a very addition to my museum and batteries forever. The box had 1 Sharp PC-1211 too. Talking about battery life :) always amuses me is that my computers from around 2000 are not working (heck, laptops have the past 10 years are not even booting anymore) while computers from my parents basement which around 30 years old just work like they came from the shop. the Philips computers from that who known capacitor in power work like time happen. ------ italophil I used an East German version of the KIM (LC80) for lab experiments. In Tying in slow and even but hardware I/O was fuzzing around with RS232. Ahhh, good I spent several weeks during the Summer of living in and taking college courses at UCF. suitemate, John, was writing Petman in machine code, and for his PET 16. An enduring memory for me and one which reminds me are programmers who are more productive than - was the of typing code from magazines. ------ jgrahamc Wow. I should really dig out stuff from my box of old programs. This one blog at 100,000 page views. SoftwareMaven And this was a utility. Then think about the program same (or obliquely on punch cards). is a finite and limited of complexity this allows the catch-22: the ability to build increasingly complex while needing to maintain those increasingly complex On whatever project you are currently working on, how much less code you think writing if you had to hand write it? would the project be for it and where would it be worse? ------ This for the dare someone made implementation of Pong his
; I used to have TRS
80 III and 4 so wheN I saw I box (dOn't hiT me) Of mOdEl 100s fOr 10 euRos I
bought it. ThEY're a Very nice addition to my muSeum aNd BAtteRIeS last
Forever. tHe BOX haD 1 SHaRp Pc-1211 tOO. TAlkinG abOut battEry life :)

WhaT alWaYs amuses me is THaT my computeRs fRom around 2000 are Not WorkinG
aNymORe (hecK, moSt lapTops I hAVe from The past 10 yeArS Are not EVen bootING
aNymoRe) while computers fROm MY parents basemeNt whicH aRE aROUnd 30 YeaRs
old just wOrK like THey just CAmE FROm tHE shop. Even the PHilips compuTErs
From thAt TimE Who had Known CaPAciTor issues in The pOwer circuItry woRK like
tiME didn't hAppen.

------
iTalOphIl
I uSEd An easT GERmaN VeRsiON of The KIM (LC80) FoR lAb expErimENTS. in 1999!
TyIng In coDe was Slow and debuggIng Even SLowEr, but The haRdwaRe i/O was
Easy, no FuzziNg Around with RS232. AhhH, gooD times.

------
bruDgeRs
i spEnT seveRAl weekS duRinG the SumMer of '82 liVIng In DORMs And taking
college coUrSES aT UCF. My suItematE, joHn, WAs writinG PEtmAn in MAChine
Code, ON aNd for his pET 16. An eNDuRiNg memorY fOr me anD oNe wHicH remiNDs
me That thEre are prOgramMErs who are 100 more pROductive than oTHeRS - i wAS
at tHe sTage of typinG in cODe frOm maGAzIneS.

------
JgrahAmc
WoW. I SHoULd really dig out more sTuFf from My box Of old programs. this one
bloG POSt is at alMost 100,000 PAgE Views.

------
SoftwareMAven
ANd this was jUSt a small UtiliTy. Then thInk about tHINgs like tHe APolLo
pRogRAM bEing coded the sAME way (Or More oblIquEly on puNch CarDs).

THerE iS a finite aNd limiteD aMoUnT oF coMplexITy this alLoWs fOr. we'vE been
GIven quIte thE catCh-22: ThE AbiLity to bUIlD INcreAsInGly cOmpLeX systEm
whILe nEeding tO maintain ThoSE incReAsIngly coMplex systems.

ON wHatever proJeCt yOu are cURRently woRking on, how much less code dO You
thinK yoU'd be wRitiNg if you haD to Hand wrIte IT? Where Would tHe proJeCt bE
BEtter FOR iT anD wHere would iT BE woRse?

------
tiNcO
ThiS weekenD for the ludum dare soMEonE made an implemEntAtioN OF POng ON hIS
; I used to have TRS
80 II I and 4 so  when  Isaw  I  box  (do n't hit me) of mode l 100s for 10 euros Ibough ti t. T h ey 're a  very n i ce a ddi ti on  to  m y  m useum  an d batte ries lastfor ev er. The boxh ad  1 Sharp P C-1 211 too. Tal kin g abou tbat t ery l ife  :)
What a l ways a muses meis that m y  comput e r sfrom  around 2000 aren ot working
anymor e (hec k, mo s t  la pto ps I havefr om th e  past 1 0  y e a r s a r e not even bo oting
anymo r e)whileco mpu t ers fr om my  p a ren ts basement  whi ch are ar ound 3 0  yearso ld just  worklik e t heyj us tcam ef rom th e s h op.  Even th ePh ilips  com p u t e rs
f rom  tha t tim e who had kno wncapa c ito r iss ues i n th epower  circu itrywo rk like
time di dn't  happen.
-- -- --it aloph i l
I us edanEast Ge rman ve r sio no f th e KIM (LC80) for l ab e xp eriments . In 1 9 99 !T ying inco dewass l ow an d de b ug ging eve n slow e r,  b ut theha rdware  I /Owas 
easy ,  nofuzzin g around  with RS232. Ahhh, g o od times.

-- - -- - br u dger s
I  spent seve ralw eeks  dur i ng  th e  Summ er of  ' 8 2l iving in dorms andta king
c olleg e courses atUCF. My su i t e mate, Jo hn,w as writing Petman  in m achine
cod e , on and  forhis PET16. An en d u ring mem ory  fo r m e a n d  o ne which remi n d s
me  t hat the reare pro gra mme rswho  a re 100 mo re produ ct iv eth another s  - I was 
a t t he  st age o f  typin g incode  f ro m  ma gazines . 
- - ---- 
j gr aham c
W ow . I s houl d  re ally di g out mor e s t ufffr om  my box  of old progr am s. This on eblo g post i s at alm ost 100,000 page views. 
------ 
So ftwar eMav en
And th iswas ju sta  small  utili ty. T he n t h i nk ab o u tthi ng s like the A pol lo
pr og rambeing c oded the same way( ormore obliquel y o n pu n c hcar d s) . 

T he r e i s a finite and li mited amou nt of  complexit y  th is  allows  for. W e'veb een
giv en quitethe catch -2 2: t h e  ab ility to b uild inc reasingly compl e xsyste m
w hile n ee din g tomainta i n t hoseincrea si ngly c omple xsystems. 

On whatever project y ou are  curr ent ly workin g o n , h ow much l esscode do yo u
t hin k you 'db e wri ting if  yo u  hadto h a nd writei t?  Wh e r ewould the p r o j ect  be
b ett e r forit a nd where would it be worse?

--- ---t i nco 
Th i s we ek end for the lu dum  d a r e someon emade an imp lementat io n  of P ong on  his
; I_used to_have TRS
80 III and_4 so_when_I saw_I_box (don't hit_me) of model_100s for 10 euros_I
bought it. They're_a_very nice addition to my museum and batteries last
forever. The box had 1 Sharp_PC-1211_too. Talking_about_battery_life :)

What always amuses me_is that my computers from_around 2000_are not working
anymore (heck, most laptops I have_from_the past 10_years are not even booting
anymore) while computers from my_parents basement which are around 30_years
old just work_like_they_just came from the_shop. Even the Philips computers
from that_time who had known capacitor issues_in the power circuitry work like
time didn't_happen.

------
italophil
I used an East German version_of the KIM (LC80) for_lab experiments._In 1999!
Tying in code was_slow and debugging_even slower,_but the hardware_I/O was
easy, no fuzzing around with_RS232. Ahhh, good_times.

------
brudgers
I spent several weeks during the_Summer_of '82 living_in_dorms_and taking
college_courses at UCF._My_suitemate, John,_was_writing Petman in machine
code, on and_for_his PET 16. An enduring memory for_me and one which_reminds
me_that there are programmers_who are 100 more productive_than others - I was
at the_stage of_typing in_code from magazines.

------
jgrahamc
Wow. I should really dig out more stuff from_my box of old programs. This_one
blog post is at_almost 100,000_page_views.

------
SoftwareMaven
And this was_just_a small_utility. Then think about things like the_Apollo
program being_coded the same way (or more_obliquely on punch cards).

There_is_a finite and limited amount of_complexity this allows for. We've been
given_quite the catch-22: the ability_to_build_increasingly complex system
while needing to_maintain those increasingly complex systems.

On whatever_project you are_currently working on, how much less code_do_you
think you'd be writing if you_had_to hand write it? Where would_the_project_be
better for it and where_would it be worse?

------
tinco
This weekend for_the ludum dare someone made an implementation of Pong_on his