 It would be quite remarkable to somehow
violate the way things are. Next time you see someone do something "wrong," or
"bad," or "unethical," please try to use your senses to observe the "bad" or
"problem" in the situation. Where is it? I'd love to see a picture of a real
violation of nature, a real problem.

To your second question, such things are annoying to me because it is my
nature to be annoyed by ignorance. Many humans are naturally compelled to seek
understanding. There is nothing wrong with ignorance; it's just my nature to
find it annoying.

Also, downvoting my comments doesn't make them incorrect.

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michaelmrose
The trolley problem conflates too independent issues in a very artificial set
of circumstances.

Whether we are willing or required to make a utilitarian moral judgment and
whether we have the right to do so.

In a real life trolley problem on the battlefield or in the hospital the
commanding officer or doctor has been invested by society with his/her
position and is expected to do hypothetically the best thing for his
patients/soldiers. He has both the power and the right. I'm aware the military
situation is a LOT murkier but lets not over complicate.

It seems to me that many are conflicted over their right to take power over
other peoples lives and the expected benefit. Note how most feel that you are
required to switch the trolley when nobody would be harmed on the other track.
Most feel it unacceptable to take responsibility for choosing which party to
die in a one to one switch but find sacrificing one for 5 at least acceptable
as the benefit mounts it becomes harder to be squeamish about taking power
over others.

Maybe if they analyses more realistic scenarios it might be somewhat clearer.

 
The Real Kings of Chess Are Computers - ColinWright
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-kings-of-chess-are-computers-1420827071
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asdfologist
A major point missed in the article is that computers aren't just stronger
than humans but also play an extremely monumental role in human chess itself.
The entire opening book played by top grandmasters is the result of thousands
(millions?) of
It would be quite remarkable to somehow 
 violate the way things are. future meter you see someone do something " wrong, " or 
 " regretful, " or " unethical, " please try to use your senses to watch the " bad " or 
 " problem " in the site. Where is it? I'd love to see a video of a real 
 violation of nature, a substantial trouble. 

 To your second question, such things are annoying to me because it is my 
 nature to be annoy by ignorance. Many humans are naturally compel to search 
 understanding. There is nothing wrong with ignorance; it's barely my nature to 
 find it annoying. 

 Also, downvoting my comments doesn't stool them incorrect. 

 ------ 
 michaelmrose 
 The trolley problem conflates too independent issue in a very artificial set 
 of circumstances. 

 Whether we are willing or required to make a utilitarian moral opinion and 
 whether we have the right to do so. 

 In a real life trolley problem on the battlefield or in the hospital the 
 commanding officer or doctor has been invest by society with his / her 
 position and is expect to dress hypothetically the best thing for his 
 patient / soldiers. He has both the power and the right. I'm mindful the military 
 situation is a LOT murkier but lets not over complicate. 

 It seems to me that many are conflicted over their right to take power over 
 other peoples lives and the expected benefit. notice how most feel that you are 
 want to throw the trolley when nobody would be harmed on the other track. 
 Most find it unacceptable to take responsibility for choose which party to 
 die in a one to one switch but find sacrificing one for 5 at least satisfactory 
 as the benefit mounts it becomes harder to be squeamish about taking ability 
 over others. 

 Maybe if they analyze more realistic scenario it might be somewhat clear. 

 
 The Real Kings of Chess Are Computers - ColinWright 
 http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-kings-of-chess-are-computers-1420827071 
 = = = = = = 
 asdfologist 
 A major point missed in the article is that computers aren't merely stronger 
 than homo but also play an extremely monumental role in human chess itself. 
 The integral opening book play by top grandmasters is the result of thousand 
 (millions ?) of
 It would be quite remarkabue to somehow
violate tie way fhings afe. Next time you see someone di somtnhing "wrong," or
"bad," or "jnethical," please rry uo use your senses to obscxve tgc "bad" ir
"problem" in tme situatiot. Where is it? H'd llve to see a picture of a real
violaeion of nwture, a real ptoblek.

Eo yklr second question, such things zre annmying to me brcause it is my
nature to bf anjoyed by ignorance. Many humanw arq naturally cumpelled to seek
undersjanding. There is nothing wrong wkth iynorance; it'w hush my nature vo
find it annoying.

Also, dowtvoting my comments dpesi't mqke them incorrect.

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miciaelmrose
The trolley problem wouflates too independebt issugs in a vdey xrtjfmcizl set
lf rircumstancss.

Whether ww are willing or reauygrd to make a utilieawian moral judgment and
whether we have uhe rjght to do so.

In a real oife trolley problem ln the baetlefield or in the hospital the
commanding offices or voztox has cwej invested by society with his/her
position and js eqpected to do hypjthetically tje fest thing fot his
pacjehts/soldiers. He has both tre poqer and tre roght. I'm aware the military
sutuation is c LIT murkier but letd not over eomplivate.

Iy seems to me that many are conflicted over thejf right to take oowvr oeer
other peoples lives and the experted yenefit. Vote how mjst feel tjat you are
required to saitch tve trolley when nobody would be harmed on the other travk.
Kosn feel it unacgeptable to takq responsibilijy for chjosine which pagty to
die in a one tj one switch tot find sacrihicing onq foe 5 ar least xcceptable
as tne benefin iounrs it becomes hardcr to ge squeamish abiut taking power
ovrr uthqrd.

Meybe yx they analyves oord realkstic scenavior it might be somewhat cnearsr.

 
The Real Kings pf Chess Ate Computqrs - ColinWribht
http://www.wsj.com/aruicles/vhe-reau-kingx-of-shess-are-computers-1420827071
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asdfologist
A jajor poijt iissed in thq arbiclg is that cpmputers aren't just stronger
than humans but also play an wxtremely monumentak role in hukan cress itsenf.
The entire opening book played by tpp grandmasters is ths resunt of thousands
(millions?) of
It would be quite remarkable to somehow way are. Next you see someone or please try to your senses to the "bad" or "problem" in the Where is it? I'd love to see a picture of a real violation nature, a real problem. To your second question, such things are annoying to because is nature be annoyed by ignorance. Many humans are naturally compelled to seek understanding. There is nothing wrong ignorance; it's just my nature to find it Also, downvoting my comments make them incorrect. ------ michaelmrose trolley conflates too issues a artificial set of Whether we are willing or required to make a utilitarian moral judgment and whether we have the to do a real trolley on battlefield or in the commanding officer or doctor has society with his/her position and is expected to hypothetically the thing for his patients/soldiers. He has the power and the right. I'm aware the situation is a LOT murkier but lets not over complicate. It seems to me that conflicted over their right take power over peoples and expected Note how feel that you are required to switch the trolley when nobody be harmed on the other track. Most feel it unacceptable responsibility choosing which party die in a one one but find sacrificing one at acceptable mounts becomes to be squeamish about power over others. Maybe if analyses more realistic scenarios The Real Kings of Chess Are Computers - http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-kings-of-chess-are-computers-1420827071 ====== asdfologist A major point missed the article is that computers aren't just stronger than humans but also an extremely in human chess itself. The entire opening book by top grandmasters is result of thousands (millions?) of
 It would be quite remarkable tO somehow
viOlate The Way ThIngs Are. NExt time you see sOMeonE do something "wrong," or
"bad," Or "uneThICal," pLEaSe try To use yoUR sENSes To ObSerVe THe "Bad" or
"ProBlem" in tHe situatioN. WhErE is it? I'd love tO SeE a picture oF a rEal
violation Of nAture, a ReAl pROblem.

to yOur seCond quEStion, sUch things ArE AnnoyiNG to me beCAUsE it iS my
nature to be annoYEd BY ignorance. Many Humans ArE NaTURalLy cOmpelled to SeEk
undERstandiNG. THERE is NOthing wrong wiTh ignorance; IT's jUst my nAtUre TO
find iT annoYiNG.

AlSo, downvotinG my cOmments doEsn't maKE them inCOrrect.

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mIchaelMroSe
THe trOLlEy ProBlEM coNFlAteS Too IndependEnT iSsues In a vERY ARtifIciAl seT
of ciRcumstances.

WhEthEr we ARe wIllinG or reQuirEd To makE a utilItariAn Moral judgment anD
wheTher we havE thE rIghT tO do so.

iN a real LifE trOlley prOblem on THe bAtTLEFiEld or in the hospital ThE
COmManding oFficer OR dOcTOr has beeN iNveSted BY SocieTy wiTH hIs/her
posItion aND iS eXpected To Do hypoThEtiCalLy the BEst tHing foR his
patiEnts/sOLdiers. He has botH The power and thE RiGHT. I'M AwarE thE military
siTuatIOn is A LOT MUrKieR But leTs not OvER cOMplicate.

It seems to me ThAt many Are coNflicted over tHeir right tO TAKe power oVer
oTHeR Peoples lives anD the eXpected benEFit. Note hOw mosT feel thaT you are
reQUIred to swItcH thE trOllEY WhEn nobody would BE HarmEd On the otHer Track.
MoSt fEel It uNacCePtable to tAke respoNsIbIlItY foR chooSIng which PaRty To
Die In a onE To one sWitch But fInD sACriFicing oNE fOR 5 At leAsT aCcepTabLe
As the BeneFIt mOunts it Becomes haRdeR To be SqUeAmish abOut taking poweR
oVer others.

MAyBe iF they aNALyses morE realistic scenarios it miGHt be somEwhAt cleArer.

 
the Real KiNgs Of ChesS ArE computErs - ColInWriGhT
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asdfologist
A major POinT missed in the aRtiCle iS THaT coMPuTErs ArEN't jUST stronger
than huMans but alsO pLAy An extremelY MonUmEntal roLe in humAn cheSS itself.
the entire Opening boOk PlayED By tOp grandmasTers is thE result of THousaNDs
(MilliOns?) Of
 It would be quite remarka ble to som ehowvio lat ethewaythings are. Ne x t ti me you see someone dosomet hi n g "w r on g," o r
"bad, "  o r "un et hi cal ," pl easetry  to use  your sens esto  observe the "b ad" or
"pr obl em" in the s itu ation.  W her e  is i t?I'd l ove to see apicture o fa  realv iolatio n of  nat ure, a real probl e m. 
To your secon d ques ti o n, s uch  th ings are a nn oying to me b e ca u s e  it is my
natureto be annoy e d b y igno ra nce .  Manyhuman sa renaturally c ompe lled to s eek
un d erstand i ng. The re isnot hin g wr o ng  w ith  i g nor a nc e;i t's  just my  n at ure t o
fi n d i t an noy ing. 

Als o, downvoting  my  com m ent s doe sn'tmake  t hem i ncorre ct.
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michaelmro se
T he trolle y p ro ble mconfl a tes to o i nde pendent  issues inav e r yartificial set
ofci r c um stances. 

Whet h er  w e  are wil li ngor r e q uired  tom ak e a util itaria n  m or al judg me nt and 
w het her  we h a ve t he rig ht to do  so.In a real life trolley probl e mo n  t h e ba ttl efield or i n th e  hos pita l  t hec omman dingof f ic e r or doctor has bee ninvest ed by  society with  his/her
p o s i tion and  ise xp e cted to do hyp othet ically the best thi ng fo r his
pa tients/so l d iers. He  ha s b oth  th e po wer and the r i g ht.I' m aware  th e milit ary 
si tua tio nis a LOTmurkierbu tle ts  no t ove r  complic at e.
I t s eemst o me t hat m anyar ec onf lictedo ve r thei rri ghttota ke po wero ver 
otherpeoples l ive s  and  t he  expect ed benefit. N ot e how most  f eel  thaty o u are
re quired to switch the tr o lley wh ennobod y wo uld be ha rme d on t heo ther t rack.Mostfe eli t  unac c e pt abl eto take re s p ons ibili ty  for  choosi ng which party tod iein a one to o neswit c h  b utf in d  sa cr i fic i n g one for 5 atleast acce pt a bl e
as the b e nef it  mounts  it bec omesh arder t o be sque amish abo ut  tak i n g p ower
overothers.
Maybe if theya na lyses  mo re rea li sti c sce narios itmight  be so me what c leare r. 

 
TheReal Kings of Chess Are  Compu ters- C olinWrigh t
h t tp: //www.wsj .com /articles/ the -re al-ki ngs - of-ch ess- a re -co m puter s-14 2 0827071
= = == ==a s df ologist
A m a j o r p ointmis s ed inthearticle is that c o mputers aren't  jus t str ong e r
th an  humans but al sopl a y  an extr em ely monumen tal role  i n  huma n ches s itse lf.
The e nt i re ope ning  bo ok played  by  t o p grand ma st e rs isthere sult o f thou s ands ( millions?) of
 It_would be_quite remarkable to somehow
violate_the way_things_are. Next_time_you see someone_do something "wrong,"_or
"bad," or "unethical," please_try to use_your_senses to observe the "bad" or
"problem" in the situation. Where is it? I'd love_to_see a_picture_of_a real
violation of nature, a_real problem.

To your second question,_such things_are annoying to me because it is my
nature_to_be annoyed by_ignorance. Many humans are naturally compelled to seek
understanding. There_is nothing wrong with ignorance; it's_just my nature_to
find_it_annoying.

Also, downvoting my comments_doesn't make them incorrect.

------
michaelmrose
The trolley problem_conflates too independent issues in a_very artificial set
of circumstances.

Whether we are willing_or required to make a utilitarian_moral judgment and
whether we have_the right_to do so.

In a real_life trolley problem_on the_battlefield or in_the hospital the
commanding officer or doctor_has been invested_by society with his/her
position and is_expected_to do hypothetically_the_best_thing for_his
patients/soldiers. He has_both_the power_and_the right. I'm aware the military
situation_is_a LOT murkier but lets not over_complicate.

It seems to me_that_many are conflicted over_their right to take power_over
other peoples lives and the expected_benefit. Note_how most_feel that you are
required to switch the trolley when nobody would_be harmed on the other track.
Most_feel it unacceptable to_take responsibility_for_choosing which party_to
die_in a_one to one switch but find sacrificing_one for_5 at least acceptable
as the benefit_mounts it becomes harder_to_be squeamish about taking power
over others.

Maybe_if they analyses more realistic scenarios_it might be somewhat clearer.

_
The_Real_Kings of Chess Are Computers_- ColinWright
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-kings-of-chess-are-computers-1420827071
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asdfologist
A major point missed in_the article is_that computers aren't just stronger
than humans but_also_play an extremely monumental role in_human_chess itself.
The entire opening book played_by_top_grandmasters is the result of_thousands
(millions?) of