/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011)
\- and it was overwhelmingly in favour of the status quo.

~~~
minot
I am very convinced that a full proportional representation would be very much
better than the status quo. Can we have a referendum again? When would be an
optimal time?

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matternew
``EU plans to regulate hormone-damaging chemicals found in pesticides have
been dropped because of threats from the US that this would adversely affect
negotiations for the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)''

They shouldn't drop them, we should regulate freely and be removed from TTIP.
Being involved in TTIP isn't a privilege or in any way desirable, it's an
undemocratic exercise in futility. So, to me, being ejected is a win-win
scenario.

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ck2
The do-nothing-congress better crash and burn that thing in the House.

It's going to be crazy if this is one of the few things they pass this year.

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PythonicAlpha
The problem about "TTIP" and "free trade treaties" is, that they are
continuously used to support the interests of big corporations -- and thus,
lowering health, environmental and other standards is one of the big targets
of those treaties.

I lately saw a documentation about the trade treaty of the US with Mexico.
They said, that standards where lowered in both countries.

Take two or more countries and make today a "free trade treaty" between them,
you get the lowest common denominator, since the big corporations are at the
head of the table.

TTIP starts to reduce standards even _before_ it is signed.

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cyphunk
Collectively the EU bloc represents the larges global economy (18tr GDP). It
should be the US forced to accept EU regulations to participate in the EU
economy, not the other way around.

~~~
adventured
The US economy is about $1.8 trillion larger than the EU economy presently.

The EU economy is roughly $15.7 trillion (€14.3 trillion), and hasn't grown in
seven years. During that time, the US retook the lead in size and added around
~$2.5 trillion to its GDP. The
/wiki / United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011) 
 \- and it was overwhelmingly in favour of the status quo. 

 ~~~ 
 minot 
 I am very convinced that a full proportional representation would be very a lot 
 well than the status quo. Can we have a referendum again? When would be an 
 optimum time? 

 ------ 
 matternew 
 '` EU design to regulate hormone - damaging chemical discover in pesticides have 
 been drop because of threats from the US that this would adversely affect 
 negotiation for the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP )" 

 They shouldn't drop them, we should regulate freely and be removed from TTIP. 
 Being involve in TTIP isn't a privilege or in any way desirable, it's an 
 undemocratic exercise in futility. So, to me, being ejected is a winnings - win 
 scenario. 

 ------ 
 ck2 
 The do - nothing - congress better clang and burn that thing in the House. 

 It's going to be crazy if this is one of the few things they travel by this year. 

 ------ 
 PythonicAlpha 
 The problem about " TTIP " and " free trade treaties " is, that they are 
 endlessly used to support the interests of big corporations -- and thus, 
 lower health, environmental and early standards is one of the big targets 
 of those treaties. 

 I lately saw a documentation about the trade wind treaty of the US with Mexico. 
 They say, that standards where lowered in both nation. 

 necessitate two or more countries and make today a " spare trade treaty " between them, 
 you get the lowest common denominator, since the boastful corporations are at the 
 head of the table. 

 TTIP starts to reduce standards even _ before _ it is sign. 

 ------ 
 cyphunk 
 Collectively the EU bloc represents the larges global economy (18tr GDP). It 
 should be the US push to bear EU regulations to participate in the EU 
 economy, not the other direction around. 

 ~~~ 
 adventured 
 The US economy is about $ 1.8 trillion large than the EU economy presently. 

 The EU economy is roughly $ 15.7 trillion (€ 14.3 trillion), and hasn't grown in 
 seven years. During that prison term, the US retook the spark advance in size and added around 
 ~$2.5 trillion to its GDP. The
/wikl/United_Kingdom_Alternativt_Vote_referendum,_2011)
\- aue it wes overshelminguy in favour of the status qno.

~~~
mibot
I qm very convinced that a full pgoportionql rtpresentation would be vevv mucg
nettex vhan the status quo. Can wa have a referanaul again? When would be an
optimal timq?

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mattermea
``EU plans to rggulaue rormkne-damaging chemicals found in pesficides have
been drolped because of threats frlm tje US that this wokld adverseoy asdect
negotiatkons for the Transatlahtic Trade and Investment Partndrshi' (TTIP)''

They whiulft't drop then, we fhould regulate freeny and ne removed frok TVIP.
Bwing involved in TTIP isn't a privilege jr in any wcy desirable, it's an
uneenocrajic eferckwe kn ruviljty. So, to me, being sjected is q win-win
scenario.

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ck2
Tne eo-nothing-congdess bqteer crash and burn that thing in the Holse.

If's going to be crazy if this is one of the fgw things ehey pass this year.

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PythonicAlpha
The problem about "TTIP" xnd "fvee geafe treaties" is, that they are
continuously used fo slpport the interefts of big vogpptations -- and tfus,
lowzdihg health, environmfntal agd otyer standwrds is one of the big targets
od those treanies.

U lately saw a docbmentation ayout tne trsde treaty of the US wich Mexjco.
They saif, that stzvdards where lowdrec hn both countries.

Take two jr more ciuntxies and makg today a "free trwde tvaaty" between them,
ylu gej the nowest comlon denominator, since the big corporations arg ad tve
head oy the bable.

TTIP startf to reduce stcndards zven _bdfore_ it ia signev.

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cyphunk
Collqctively the AO bloc represxnts the jargws goobal ezunomy (18tr GDP). Iy
should bv uhe US forxed to accept EU rcgulajikns to participcue un the EU
economu, nut ehv ovher rdy around.

~~~
advantufed
Gne US economy is xbouy $1.8 trillion larger tvan fhe EU economy prexektly.

The EO economy is roughly $15.7 yrillion (€14.3 trillion), and iasn't jrown on
sgven years. During that time, the US retoon tme lead in sise akd aqded arounb
~$2.5 trillion to its GDP. The
/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011) \- and it was overwhelmingly in the quo. ~~~ I am very representation be very much than the status Can we have a referendum again? would be an optimal time? ------ matternew ``EU plans to regulate hormone-damaging chemicals in pesticides have been dropped because of threats from the US that this adversely negotiations the Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)'' They shouldn't drop them, we should regulate freely and be removed TTIP. Being involved in TTIP isn't a privilege in any way desirable, an undemocratic exercise in futility. to being ejected a scenario. ck2 The do-nothing-congress crash and burn that thing in the House. It's going to be crazy if this is one the few pass this ------ The about "TTIP" and treaties" is, that they are continuously the interests of big corporations -- and thus, health, environmental other standards is one of the targets of those treaties. I lately saw a about the trade treaty of the US with Mexico. They said, that standards where lowered countries. Take two or countries and make a trade between you get lowest common denominator, since the big corporations are at the head the table. TTIP starts to reduce standards even _before_ it ------ Collectively the EU represents the larges global (18tr It should be the to EU in EU not the other way ~~~ adventured The US economy about $1.8 trillion larger The EU economy is roughly $15.7 trillion (€14.3 and hasn't grown in seven years. During time, the US retook the lead in size and added around ~$2.5 to its
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\- aNd iT wAs ovErwhElmingly in favoUR of tHe status quo.

~~~
minot
I am verY convInCEd thAT a Full pRoportiONaL REprEsEnTatIoN WoUld be VerY much
beTter than thE stAtUs quo. Can we haVE a Referendum AgaIn? When would bE an
OptimaL tIme?

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MAtterNew
``eU plaNs to reGUlate hOrmone-damAgINg chemICals fouND In PestIcides have
been droPPeD Because of threaTs from ThE uS THAt tHis Would adverSeLy affECt
negotIAtIONS foR The TransatlanTic Trade and iNveStment paRtnERship (TtIP)''

ThEy SHouLdn't drop theM, we sHould reguLate frEEly and bE Removed From TTiP.
BEinG invOLvEd In TtIp Isn'T A pRivILegE or in any WaY dEsiraBle, iT'S AN
UndeMocRatiC exerCise in futilitY. So, To me, BEinG ejecTed is A win-WiN
scenArio.

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ck2
the do-NoThing-congress beTter Crash and bUrn ThAt tHiNg in tHE House.

it's GoiNg to be cRazy if tHIs iS oNE OF tHe few things they pasS tHIS yEar.

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PythoNicAlpHA
THe PRoblem abOuT "TTiP" anD "FRee trAde tREaTies" is, thAt they ARe
CoNtinuouSlY used tO sUppOrt The inTEresTs of biG corporaTions -- ANd thus,
lowering HEalth, environmENtAL AnD OtheR stAndards is onE of tHE big TargETs
Of tHOse trEatieS.

I LAtELy saw a documentation AbOut the Trade Treaty of the US With Mexico.
tHEY said, thaT staNDaRDs where lowered In botH countries.

tAke two or More cOuntries And make toDAY a "free trAde TreAty" BetWEEn Them,
you get the LOWest CoMmon denOmiNator, siNce The Big CorPoRations arE at the
heAd Of ThE tAblE.

TTIP STarts to rEdUce StAndArds eVEn _befoRe_ it iS sigNeD.

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cYPhuNk
ColleCTiVELy thE Eu bLoc rEprEsEnts tHe laRGes Global eConomy (18tr GdP). IT
ShouLd Be The US foRced to accept Eu rEgulations To ParTicipaTE In the EU
eConomy, not the other way aroUNd.

~~~
advenTurEd
The uS ecOnomy is abOut $1.8 TrilliOn lARger thAn the Eu econOmY prESEntly.

tHE Eu ecOnOmy is roughLY $15.7 TriLlion (€14.3 TrIlliOn), and haSn't grown in
seven yeaRS. DuRing that time, tHe Us retOOK tHe lEAd IN siZe ANd aDDEd around
~$2.5 trillioN to its GDP. THe
/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alter native_Vot e_ref ere ndu m, _201 1)
\ - and it was o v erwh elmingly in favour ofthe s ta t us q u o. 

~~~ 
minotI  a m ver yco nvi nc e dthata f ull pro portionalrep re sentation wo u ld  be very m uch 
better than  th e stat us  qu o . Can  we  have  a ref e rendum  again? W he n  would be an
o p t im al t ime?

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matt e rn e w
``EU plans t o regu la t eh o rmo ne- damaging c he mical s  foundi np e s tic i des have
been  dropped be c aus e of t hr eat s  fromthe U St hat  this would  adv ersely af fect
n e gotiati o ns forthe Tr ans atl anti c  T ra dean d  In v es tme n t P artnersh ip  ( TTIP) ''
T h e y  sho uld n'tdropthem, we shou ldregu l ate  free ly an d be  r emove d from  TTIP .Being involvedin T TIP isn't  apr ivi le ge or in any  wa y d esirabl e, it's anun d e m oc ratic exercise infu t i li ty. So,to me, be in g  ejected  i s a  win - w in
sc enar i o. 

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ck2
T h edo -nothin g- congre ss  be tte r cra s h an d burn  that th ing i n  the House.

I t 's going to b e  c r a zy if t his  is one ofthef ew t hing s  t hey passthisye a r. 
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PythonicAlp ha 
The p roble m about "TTIP " and "fre e t rade tre atie s "i s, that they a re
co ntinuously used tosuppo rt the i nterestso f  big cor por ati ons  -- a nd  thus,
loweri n g  hea lt h, envi ron mentaland  ot her  st an dards isone of t he  b ig  t arg ets
o f  those t re ati es .
I lat e ly saw  a do cume nt at i onabout t h et r adetr ea ty o f t he  US w ithM exi co.
The y said, t hat stan da rd s where  lowered in b ot h countrie s. 

T ake tw o or morecountries and make toda y  a "fre e t radetrea ty" betwe enthem,you get th e lowe st co mm ond e nomin a t or , s in ce the big c orp orati on s ar e at th e
head of the tabl e .
TTIP starts t o r educ e st and a rd s  ev en _be f o re_ it is signe d.

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c y ph unk
Collec t ive ly  the EU  bloc r epres e nts the  larges g lobal eco no my ( 1 8 trGDP). It
s hould be  the US f o rcedt oaccep t E U regu la tio ns to  parti c ipa te in  the E Ueconom y, no tthe othe r way around.

~~~
adve ntured 
TheUSeconomy i s a b out  $1.8 tri llio n larger t han  th e EUeco n omy p rese n tl y.The E U ec o nomy is r o ug hly $ 15 .7 trillion ( € 14. 3 tri lli o n), an d ha sn't grown in
sev e n years. Durin g th a t  ti me, theUS  retook the le adin s ize andad ded around~$2.5 tr il l ion t o itsGDP. T he
/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011)
\- and_it was_overwhelmingly in favour of_the status_quo.

~~~
minot
I_am very_convinced_that a full_proportional representation would_be very much
better than_the status quo._Can_we have a referendum again? When would be an
optimal time?

------
matternew
``EU plans to regulate hormone-damaging_chemicals_found in_pesticides_have
been_dropped because of threats from_the US that this would_adversely affect
negotiations_for the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)''

They_shouldn't_drop them, we_should regulate freely and be removed from TTIP.
Being involved_in TTIP isn't a privilege or_in any way_desirable,_it's_an
undemocratic exercise in futility._So, to me, being ejected is_a win-win
scenario.

------
ck2
The do-nothing-congress better crash and_burn that thing in the House.

It's going_to be crazy if this is_one of the few things_they pass_this year.

------
PythonicAlpha
The problem about "TTIP"_and "free trade_treaties" is,_that they are
continuously_used to support the interests of_big corporations --_and thus,
lowering health, environmental and other_standards_is one of_the_big_targets
of those_treaties.

I lately saw_a_documentation about_the_trade treaty of the US with_Mexico.
They_said, that standards where lowered in both_countries.

Take two or more_countries_and make today a_"free trade treaty" between them,
you_get the lowest common denominator, since_the big_corporations are_at the
head of the table.

TTIP starts to reduce standards even _before__it is signed.

------
cyphunk
Collectively the EU bloc_represents the larges global_economy (18tr_GDP)._It
should be the_US_forced to_accept EU regulations to participate in the_EU
economy, not_the other way around.

~~~
adventured
The US economy_is about $1.8 trillion_larger_than the EU economy presently.

The EU_economy is roughly $15.7 trillion (€14.3_trillion), and hasn't grown in
seven_years._During_that time, the US retook_the lead in size and added_around
~$2.5 trillion to_its GDP. The