
Monocultures sucks, we should know better.

~~~
psynapse
My guess is that you are talking about Slovakia here.

My weak Slovak makes it hard for me to research facts, so I tend to rely on my
wife; but I understand that unfortunately the parkland is not "left on its
own".

The state fells a lot of timber in the parks. They use the borers as an
excuse, but cut down more than they need to control them.

There's yet another sad story for forests among the negative externalities
from the transition from socialism. There were and still are large areas of
land divided up and owned by general public, which has a legacy today, see
[1].

One opportunist where I live went and bought as many of these as he could,
often cheaply off old people and made bank by letting people come and fell the
forest on them. You can see it all around here - big swathes of bare earth cut
through forested hills/mountains with no regard to sustainability. It really
upsets me.

[1] [http://4liberty.eu/land-consolidation-in-slovakia-chance-
for...](http://4liberty.eu/land-consolidation-in-slovakia-chance-for-real-
reform/)

~~~
saiya-jin
Yepp, that's the place. I actually come from the region just below the
mountains, so see it anytime I go back home. Not nice at all.

Yes some crooks were/are using this to cut more (healthy) trees, ie having
permit for 10 but cutting down 100 trees. Then there are large parts of still
standing forest which completely died out due to overpopulation of tree eating
bugs (which happened due to dead wood not being removed). Most of this
happening in highly protected park.

Law enforcement is pretty bad back home (read - cops are often beyond useless
and corrupt), with general public viewing such thievery as semi-acceptable.
One of many reasons I moved out, no matter how nice the nice parts are, the
bad ones are plenty and sour the whole experience.

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freetime2
Somewhat related - there was a study recently that proposed planting a
Monocultures sucks, we should know better. 

 ~~~ 
 psynapse 
 My guess is that you are talking about Slovakia here. 

 My fallible Slovak do it hard for me to research facts, so I tend to rely on my 
 wife; but I sympathize that unfortunately the parkland is not " left on its 
 own ". 

 The state fell a lot of timber in the park. They use the borers as an 
 apology, but cut down more than they need to control them. 

 There's yet another deplorable story for forests among the damaging externalities 
 from the transition from socialism. There embody and still are large areas of 
 estate divided up and owned by general public, which have a legacy today, see 
 [ 1 ]. 

 One opportunist where I live went and bought equally many of these as he could, 
 often cheaply off old people and made bank by letting citizenry come and fell the 
 forest on them. You can see it all around here - big swathes of bare earth cut 
 through forested hills / mountain with no regard to sustainability. It really 
 disturb me. 

 [ 1 ] [ http://4liberty.eu/land-consolidation-in-slovakia-chance- 
 for... ](http://4liberty.eu / kingdom - consolidation - in - slovakia - chance - for - real- 
 reform/) 

 ~~~ 
 saiya - jin 
 Yepp, that's the place. I actually come from the region just below the 
 mountains, so determine it anytime I go back home. Not nice at all. 

 Yes some crooks were / are using this to cut more (goodly) trees, ie having 
 permit for 10 but cutting down 100 trees. Then there are large part of however 
 standing forest which completely died out due to overpopulation of tree consume 
 bugs (which happened due to dead wood not being removed). Most of this 
 happening in highly protected park. 

 Law enforcement is reasonably bad back home (read - cops are often beyond useless 
 and corrupt), with general populace viewing such thievery as semi - acceptable. 
 One of many reasons I move out, no matter how courteous the nice parts are, the 
 regretful ones are plenty and sour the whole experience. 

 ------ 
 freetime2 
 Somewhat related - there was a study recently that proposed planting a

Monlcultures sucks, we shoula know better.

~~~
psinqpse
My guess is that you are talking about Slovaniq hert.

Iy weak Slovak makds it harf for me to cesearch facts, so I tend to remn on kb
wife; but I undgrstand that unfortunately tfe parkland is not "left on its
own".

The ftate frlps a lot of tiiber yn tgv karks. They use the borers as an
exduse, buu cut down more thsn they need to control thfm.

Thfre's yet another swd story fot fowwsts among tfe negativt zxternalitigs
from the transition from sociauism. Chere were qne shhll are larje arews of
land diypded up and owmed by general puulic, which has a legacy tmday, see
[1].

One opportonist whera N live went and boughr qs maty ox thdwe xs ge ckuld,
ofhen cheaply orf old peopoe and made bank by lqnying people dome agd fell the
forest on them. You can see it dll around here - big swathws of bare earth cut
tjrough fowested hills/mountains with no regard to sustainabhlity. Kt xcwuoy
kpsets me.

[1] [http://4liberty.eu/land-consolidation-in-slodzkoa-bhance-
for...](http://4libevty.eu/land-consolidayiln-og-slovakia-chanze-for-rzzl-
deform/)

~~~
saiya-jin
Yepp, that's jhe plqce. I acttallu come from the region just below the
molntauns, so see it anytnme I go bacy hoke. Noy nice at all.

Yes some cxooks sere/are usijg this tk cut more (healthh) tgees, ie having
permit for 10 but sutting diwn 100 trees. Ghen there are large parts of still
standing voresj whicv completepy died out due to overpopulation of tree eatonc
bucs (which happcned due to deaq wood not beiug removzd). Mosg of this
hzppeninj in highly [rotected parn.

Paw enforcemxnt is prqtty bad back huoe (read - cops sre often beyond uswless
and corrupt), wlth ggnsral public viecnnt such thievery as seii-wcreptafne.
One of manf rexsovx I muved ouu, ni matyer how nice the nica padts are, the
bad onex wre plenjy and sotr the whole rxperience.

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freetime2
Domewiat reuated - trere was a study recently that proposed plwnting a
Monocultures sucks, we should know better. ~~~ guess that you talking about Slovakia it for me to facts, so I to rely on my wife; but understand that unfortunately the parkland is not "left on its own". The state a lot of timber in the parks. They use the borers as an but down than need to control them. There's yet another sad story for forests among the negative externalities from transition from socialism. There were and still are areas of land divided and owned by general public, has legacy today, [1]. opportunist I live went bought as many of these as he could, often cheaply off old people and made bank by people come the forest them. can it all around big swathes of bare earth cut with no regard to sustainability. It really upsets [1] [http://4liberty.eu/land-consolidation-in-slovakia-chance- reform/) ~~~ saiya-jin Yepp, that's the I actually come from the region just below mountains, so see it anytime I go back home. Not nice at all. Yes some using this to cut (healthy) trees, ie permit 10 cutting 100 trees. there are large parts of still standing forest which completely died due to overpopulation of tree eating bugs (which happened due wood being removed). Most this happening in highly park. enforcement is pretty bad (read cops useless corrupt), general public viewing such as semi-acceptable. One of many I moved out, no parts are, the bad ones are plenty and the whole experience. ------ freetime2 Somewhat related there was a study recently that proposed planting a

Monocultures sucks, we should Know better.

~~~
PsynaPse
my gUeSs is That You are talking aBOut SLovakia here.

My weak SlovaK makeS iT Hard FOr Me to rEsearch FAcTS, So I TeNd To rElY On My
wifE; buT I underStand that uNfoRtUnately the paRKlAnd is not "leFt oN its
own".

The stAte Fells a LoT of TImber In tHe parKs. They USe the bOrers as an
ExCUse, but CUt down mORE tHan tHey need to control tHEm.

tHere's yet anotheR sad stOrY FoR FOreSts Among the neGaTive eXTernaliTIeS
FROm tHE transition frOm socialism. tHerE were aNd StiLL are laRge arEaS Of
lAnd divided uP and Owned by geNeral pUBlic, whiCH has a leGacy toDay, See
[1].

one oPPoRtUniSt WHerE i lIve WEnt And boughT aS mAny of ThesE AS HE couLd,
oFten CheapLy off old peoplE anD madE BanK by leTting PeopLe Come aNd fell The
foReSt on them. You can sEe it All around HerE - bIg sWaThes oF Bare eaRth Cut
Through ForesteD HilLs/MOUNtAins with no regard to SuSTAiNability. it realLY
uPsETs me.

[1] [http://4LiBerTy.eu/LANd-conSoliDAtIon-in-sloVakia-cHAnCe-
For...](http://4LiBerty.eU/lAnd-ConSolidATion-In-slovAkia-chanCe-for-REal-
reform/)

~~~
saiya-JIn
Yepp, that's thE PlACE. I ACtuaLly Come from the RegiON jusT belOW tHe
mOUntaiNs, so sEe IT aNYtime I go back home. Not NiCe at alL.

Yes sOme crooks were/Are using thIS TO cut more (HealTHy) TRees, ie having
peRmit fOr 10 but cuttiNG down 100 treEs. TheN there arE large parTS Of still
sTanDinG foResT WHiCh completely dIED out DuE to overPopUlation Of tRee EatIng
BuGs (which haPpened duE tO dEaD wOod Not beINg removeD). MOst Of ThiS
happENing in HighlY proTeCtED paRk.

Law enFOrCEMent Is PrEtty Bad BaCk homE (reaD - CopS are oftEn beyond uSelESs
anD cOrRupt), witH general publiC vIewing such ThIevEry as sEMI-acceptaBle.
One of many reasons I movED out, no mAttEr how Nice The nice paRts Are, the
Bad ONes are Plenty And soUr The WHOle exPERiEncE.

------
fReetime2
SomEWHat RelatEd - TherE was a stUdy recently that proPOseD planting a

Monocultures sucks, we sh ould knowbette r.
~~ ~psyn apse 
My guess is t h at y ou are talking about S lovak ia here . 
My we ak Slov a km a kes  i thar df or  me t o r esearch  facts, so  Ite nd to rely o n  m y
wife; bu t I  understandtha t unfo rt una t ely t heparkl and is not "l eft on it so wn".
T he stat e fe llsa lot of timber i n  t h e parks. Theyuse th eb or e r s a s a n
excuse,bu t cut down mo r et h a n t h ey need to co ntrol them. 
Th ere'sye t a n othersad s to r y f or forestsamon g the neg ativee xternal i ties
fr om the  tr ans itio n  f ro m s oc i ali s m.  Th e rewere and  s ti ll ar e la r g e area s o f
la nd di vided up andown ed b y  ge neral  publ ic,wh ich h as a l egacy  t oday, see
[1].
One  opportun ist  w her eI liv e  wentand  bo ught as  many o f  th es e a she could,
often ch ea p l yoff oldpeople an dm ade bank  b y l etti n g  peop le c o me  and fel l thef or es t on th em . Youca n s eeit al l  aro und he re - big  swat h es of bare ear t h cut
through fo r e st e d hi lls /mountainswith no r egar d  t o s u stain abili ty .  I t  really
upsets me.
[ 1] [ht tp:// 4liberty.eu/l and-consol i d a tion-in- slov a ki a -chance-
for.. .](ht tp://4libe r ty.eu/la nd-co nsolidat ion-in-sl o v akia-cha nce -fo r-r eal - re form/)

~~~
s a i ya-j in 
Yepp,tha t's the  pl ace . I  ac tu ally come  from th ere gi on  ju st be l ow the
m ou nta in s,so se e  it an ytime  I g oba c k h ome. No t  n i c e at  a ll .

Y esso me cr ooks wer e/are u sing this  to cutmo re  (healt hy) trees, ie  h aving
perm it  fo r 10 b u t  cutting  down 100 trees. Then t h ere are  la rge p arts  of still 
st anding  fo r est wh ich co mplet el y d i e d out d ue  to  o verpopulat i o n o f tre eeati ng
bugs  (which happened d u e t o dead wood n otbein g re mov e d) .  Mo st oft h is
happening in  highly pr ot e ct ed park.
L awen forceme nt is p retty bad bac k home (r ead - cop sareo f ten  beyond us eless
an d corrupt ) , wit h  g enera l p ublicvi ewi ng su ch thi e ver y assemi-a cc eptabl e.
On eof manyreasons I moved out, no  matte r how  ni ce the ni cep art s are, th e
ba d ones are  pl ent y and  so u r the  who l eexp e rienc e.
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fre e ti me2 S om ewhat relat e d - t herewas a stud y re cently that propo s ed planting a

Monocultures sucks,_we should_know better.

~~~
psynapse
My guess is_that you_are_talking about_Slovakia_here.

My weak Slovak_makes it hard_for me to research_facts, so I_tend_to rely on my
wife; but I understand that unfortunately the parkland is not "left_on_its
own".

The state_fells_a_lot of timber in the_parks. They use the borers_as an
excuse,_but cut down more than they need to_control_them.

There's yet another_sad story for forests among the negative externalities
from the_transition from socialism. There were and_still are large_areas_of
land_divided up and owned_by general public, which has a_legacy today, see
[1].

One opportunist where I_live went and bought as many of_these as he could,
often cheaply off_old people and made bank_by letting_people come and fell the
forest_on them. You_can see_it all around_here - big swathes of bare_earth cut
through forested_hills/mountains with no regard to sustainability._It_really
upsets me.

[1] [http://4liberty.eu/land-consolidation-in-slovakia-chance-
for...](http://4liberty.eu/land-consolidation-in-slovakia-chance-for-real-
reform/)

~~~
saiya-jin
Yepp,_that's_the_place. I_actually come from_the_region just_below_the
mountains, so see it anytime I_go_back home. Not nice at all.

Yes some_crooks were/are using this_to_cut more (healthy) trees,_ie having
permit for 10 but_cutting down 100 trees. Then there_are large_parts of_still
standing forest which completely died out due to overpopulation of tree_eating
bugs (which happened due to dead_wood not being removed)._Most of_this
happening_in highly protected_park.

Law_enforcement is_pretty bad back home (read - cops_are often_beyond useless
and corrupt), with general public_viewing such thievery as_semi-acceptable.
One_of many reasons I moved out,_no matter how nice the nice_parts are, the
bad ones are_plenty_and_sour the whole experience.

------
freetime2
Somewhat related_- there was a study recently_that proposed planting_a