, but it could be that the parties affected did
not want to pursue legal action. All we know about the story is a quote from
Google and a speculative article from Gawker.

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lippe_maia
this isn't that surprising. this stuff happens all the time at any company
that has that many employees. a person i know who is a software developer at
facebook told me that everyone there looks at people's private stuff and reads
people's private messages when they want to and you just have to be discrete
about it so that no one (i.e. users) notices.

~~~
enneff
I can tell you that it does NOT typically happen at Google. If you so much as
joke about this stuff people will give you negative reactions. I was genuinely
shocked to read about this today as I never would have expected any Google
employee to be so unethical.

If what you say about the practices at Facebook is even remotely true then it
is disgusting and shameful behaviour.

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brisance
"For evil to flourish, all that is needed is for good people to do nothing."
-- Edmund Burke.

Google's mere dismissal of the guy comes across as pretty evil. According to
the article, there was a previous instance of malfeasance. If the bad PR
behind all these privacy breaches were taken more seriously, Google would
probably have to clean up their act and users would benefit as a result.

~~~
cdibona
Wait, are you saying that we should be reacting to the PR (we didn't, he was
let go some time ago) or to the act? I would always rather we react
appropriately to the act. (disclaimer, work at google, blah blah blah)

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stevefink
I'm impressed with how transparent Google was with handling the issue.
Unfortunately, things like this can and will occasionally happen. You can
either put up your own Postfix server if you do not like it - or you can thank
Google for continuing to provide such a kick ass free service.

As for David Barksdale, good luck to you, you will need it.

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code_duck
I'm a lot more concerned about the data centers full of government employees
wiretapping innocent people for no apparent reason. A fair bit came about
concerning this a year or two
, but it could be that the parties affected did 
 not want to pursue legal legal action. All we acknowledge about the story is a quote from 
 Google and a speculative article from Gawker. 

 ------ 
 lippe_maia 
 this isn't that surprising. this material happens all the time at any company 
 that have that many employees. a person i know who is a software developer at 
 facebook told me that everyone there looks at people's secret stuff and reads 
 multitude's individual messages when they want to and you just have to be discrete 
 about it so that no one (i.e. users) detect. 

 ~~~ 
 enneff 
 I can tell you that it does NOT typically happen at Google. If you so a lot as 
 joke about this stuff citizenry will give you damaging reactions. I was genuinely 
 shocked to read about this today as I never would have expected any Google 
 employee to be therefore unethical. 

 If what you say about the practices at Facebook is even remotely true then it 
 is disgusting and shameful behaviour. 

 ------ 
 brisance 
 " For evil to flourish, all that is needed is for good people to do nothing. " 
 -- Edmund Burke. 

 Google's mere dismissal of the guy comes across as pretty evil. According to 
 the article, there was a previous instance of malfeasance. If the regretful praseodymium 
 behind all these privacy breaches were take more badly, Google would 
 credibly have to clean up their act and users would benefit as a result. 

 ~~~ 
 cdibona 
 Wait, are you saying that we should be reacting to the PR (we sufficen't, he was 
 let go some time ago) or to the act? I would always rather we react 
 appropriately to the act. (disclaimer, work at google, blah blah blah) 

 ------ 
 stevefink 
 I'm impressed with how diaphanous Google was with handling the issue. 
 Unfortunately, things like this can and will occasionally happen. You can 
 either place up your own Postfix server if you do not wish it - or you can thank 
 Google for continue to provide such a kick ass free overhaul. 

 As for David Barksdale, good luck to you, you will need it. 

 ------ 
 code_duck 
 I'm a lot more concerned about the data centers full of politics employees 
 wiretapping innocent people for no apparent reason. A fair spot came about 
 refer this a year or two
, buh it could be that the pxrties affected did
not want fo pursud legal action. All we know auout the wtory is a quote from
Guogle and a specuoatite article from Jzwker.

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lii'e_maiz
bhis nsi't that surprislng. this stgff happens aln ghz time at any company
that has that mwny empkojees. a person y knpr whk is a software developer at
facebokk told me that everuone there looks at people'd prlvate stuff and rewds
people's kdivwre messages dhen they want to and iou just have to be discrete
aboug it xo that no obe (l.g. users) notires.

~~~
ennvff
I can tell you thad it dors NOT typicalky iappwn at Google. If you sm much as
joke abouj this stuxf people will give yiu necatiee rdqctkona. M wzs genkinxly
shocked fo read aboyt this today as I medvt would have expeceeq any Google
employee to be so unethical.

Pf wgat you say about the peactices at Facebook ls even rqmotely true then it
is disgusting and shameful bevavionr.

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criwakce
"Fue fvil to flourish, all that is needed is for gojs keoile to do nothing."
-- Edmund Burle.

Hopdle's mere disoissal of the guy comes acrlss as kretty evil. Accjrdimg to
the article, there was q previous iustqnce of malfeasancz. If the bad PR
bghind sll these privacy breackes wede taken moge seriouauy, Google would
pfobsbny have uu clean up their wct and uwers would cenegit as a result.

~~~
cfibona
Wait, are you sayinh thaj we svould be rfacting to the PR (we didn't, he wex
let go some thme ago) or co the act? I would wlways rather ce react
cppropfiately to the acv. (disclaimer, work at googng, blah blah bnah)

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stevesink
U'm inpressea with how tranxparent Google was qith handling the lssue.
Onrortunately, thiuys like this can snd wijl orcasijtally happen. You cav
rithef put uk yijr oen Postfix server if you do not like it - ot nou can tyank
Googje for continiing to provide sufh a nicy ass frge service.

As for David Barksdals, good lufk bo you, you wijl nced yt.

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code_duck
N'm a lot more concerned about the data cxnters full of governmgnt employees
wiretappnnn innocent pxople sor no ap[arent reason. A fair bit came about
cokcerning this a year od two
, but it could be that the did want to legal action. All is quote from Google a speculative article Gawker. ------ lippe_maia this isn't that this stuff happens all the time at any company that has that many a person i know who is a software developer at facebook told me everyone looks people's stuff and reads people's private messages when they want to and you just have to be about it so that no one (i.e. users) ~~~ enneff I can you that it does NOT happen Google. If so as about this stuff will give you negative reactions. I was genuinely shocked to read about this today as I never have expected employee to so If you say about at Facebook is even remotely true disgusting and shameful behaviour. ------ brisance "For evil flourish, all is needed is for good people do nothing." -- Edmund Burke. Google's mere dismissal the guy comes across as pretty evil. According to the article, there was a previous malfeasance. If the bad behind all these breaches taken seriously, would probably to clean up their act and users would benefit as a ~~~ cdibona Wait, are you saying that we should be the (we didn't, he let go some time or the act? I would we appropriately (disclaimer, at blah blah blah) ------ I'm impressed with how transparent was with handling the can and will occasionally happen. You can either up your own Postfix server if you not like it - or you can thank Google for continuing to such a free service. As for David Barksdale, good luck you, you will need ------ code_duck I'm a lot more concerned about the centers of government wiretapping innocent people no apparent reason. fair bit came this a or
, but it could be that the partieS affected dId
not WanT to PuRsue LegaL action. All we knOW aboUt the story is a quote from
googlE aND a spECuLativE articlE FrOM gawKeR.

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lIppE_mAIa
This iSn't That surPrising. thiS stUfF happens all tHE tIme at any coMpaNy
that has thaT maNy emplOyEes. A PersoN i kNow whO is a soFTware dEveloper aT
fACebook TOld me thAT EvEryoNe there looks at peoPLe'S Private stuff anD reads
PeOPlE'S PriVatE messages wHeN they WAnt to anD YoU JUSt hAVe to be discretE
about it so tHAt nO one (i.e. UsErs) NOtices.

~~~
EnnefF
I CAn tEll you that iT doeS NOT typicAlly haPPen at GoOGle. If yoU so mucH as
JokE aboUT tHiS stUfF PeoPLe WilL GivE you negaTiVe ReactIons. i WAS GenuIneLy
shOcked To read about thIs tOday AS I nEver wOuld hAve eXpEcted Any GooGle
emPlOyee to be so unethIcal.

if what you Say AbOut ThE pracTIces at facEboOk is eveN remoteLY trUe THEN iT
is disgusting and shAmEFUl BehaviouR.

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brisaNCe
"foR Evil to flOuRisH, all THAt is nEedeD Is For good pEople tO Do NoThing."
-- EdMuNd BurkE.

GOogLe's Mere dISmisSal of tHe guy comEs acrOSs as pretty evil. aCcording to
the ARtICLe, THere Was A previous inStanCE of mAlfeASaNce. iF the bAd PR
bEhINd ALl these privacy breacHeS were tAken mOre seriously, GOogle would
PROBably havE to cLEaN Up their act and uSers wOuld benefiT As a resulT.

~~~
cdibOna
Wait, aRe you sayiNG That we shOulD be ReaCtiNG To The PR (we didn't, hE WAs
leT gO some tiMe aGo) or to tHe aCt? I WouLd aLwAys rather We react
aPpRoPrIaTelY to thE Act. (disclAiMer, WoRk aT googLE, blah bLah blAh)

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stEvEfINk
I'M impresSEd WITh hoW tRaNspaRenT GOogle Was wITh hAndling The issue.
UNfoRTunaTeLy, Things lIke this can and WiLl occasionAlLy hAppen. YOU Can
eitheR put up your own Postfix serVEr if you Do nOt likE it - oR you can thAnk
google For COntinuIng to pRovidE sUch A KIck asS FReE seRvIce.

As for DaVID BaRksdaLe, Good Luck to yOu, you will need it.

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codE_DucK
I'm a lot more coNceRned ABOuT thE DaTA ceNtERs fULL of government emPloyees
wirEtAPpIng innocenT PeoPlE for no aPparent ReasoN. a fair biT came abouT
concerniNg This A YEar Or two
, but it could be that the  parties a ffect eddid 
n ot w antto pursue lega l  act ion. All we know about  thest o ry i s  a  quot e fromG oo g l e a nd  a  sp ec u la tiveart icle fr om Gawker. 

- -- ---
lippe_ma i athis isn't  th at surprisin g.this s tu ffh appen s a ll th e time at any  companyth a t hast hat man y em ploy ees. a person i k n ow who is a softw are de ve l op e r  at 
fa cebook tol dme th a t every o ne t h ere looks at peop le's privat e  st uff an drea d s
peop le'spr i vat e messageswhen  they wan t to a n d you j u st have  to be  di scr etea bo ut  it  s o  th a tnoo ne(i.e. us er s)  noti ces. ~ ~ ~
en nef f
Ican t ell you thatitdoes NOT  typi cally  hap pe n atGoogle . Ifyo u so much as
jo ke a bout this  st uf f p eo ple w i ll giv e y ounegativ e react i ons .I w as  genuinely
shocked  t o re ad about  thist od ay as I nev er  wo uldh a ve ex pect e dany Goog le
emp l oy ee  to beso  uneth ic al. 

I f wha t  you  say a bout the  prac t ices at Facebo o k is even rem o te l y  t r ue t hen  it
is disg usti n g an d sh a me ful behav iour. 
- -- - --
brisance
"For ev il  to fl ouris h, all that i s needed i s f or goodpeop l et o do nothing." 
-- E dmund Burk e .

Googl e's m ere dism issal oft h e guy co mes  ac ros s a s pr etty evil. Ac c o rdin gto
theart icle, t her e w asa p re vious ins tance of  m al fe as anc e. If the badPR 
be hi ndall t h ese pr ivacy  bre ac he s  we re take n  m o r e se ri ou sly,  Go og le wo uldp rob ably ha ve to cle anu p th ei ract and  users wouldbe nefit as a  r esu lt.

~ ~ ~ 
cdibona 
Wait, are you saying t h at we s hou ld be  rea cting tothe  PR (w e d i dn't,he was 
letgo  so m e  time a go ) o rto the act ? I w ouldal ways  rather  we react
appropri a tel y to the act.  (d iscl a i me r,w or k  at  g o ogl e ,  blah blah blah )

------st e ve fink
I'm i m pre ss ed with  how tr anspa r ent Goo gle was w ith handl in g th e iss ue.
Unfort unately,  things l i ke th i scan a ndwill o cc asi onall y happ e n.You c an
eit he r putup yo ur  own Pos tfix server if you do n ot lik e it- o r you can  th a nkGoogle fo r co ntinuing t o p rov ide s uch a kic k as s  f ree servi ce.As for Da v id  Ba r k sd ale, good l u c k  to  you,  yo u  willneed  it.

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code _ duck
I'm a lot  mor e con cer n ed a bo ut the data ce nte rs f ull of g ov ernment emp loyees
w ir e tappi ng inn ocentpeoplef o rn o appa rent  re ason. A f air  b i t cameab ou t 
conce rnin gthis a  yearo r tw o 
, but_it could_be that the parties_affected did
not_want_to pursue_legal_action. All we_know about the_story is a quote_from
Google and a_speculative_article from Gawker.

------
lippe_maia
this isn't that surprising. this stuff happens all the time at any_company
that_has that_many_employees._a person i know who_is a software developer at
facebook_told me_that everyone there looks at people's private stuff_and_reads
people's private messages_when they want to and you just have to_be discrete
about it so that no_one (i.e. users)_notices.

~~~
enneff
I_can_tell you that it_does NOT typically happen at Google._If you so much as
joke about_this stuff people will give you negative_reactions. I was genuinely
shocked to read_about this today as I_never would_have expected any Google
employee to_be so unethical.

If_what you_say about the_practices at Facebook is even remotely_true then it
is_disgusting and shameful behaviour.

------
brisance
"For evil to_flourish,_all that is_needed_is_for good_people to do_nothing."
--_Edmund Burke.

Google's_mere_dismissal of the guy comes across_as_pretty evil. According to
the article, there was_a previous instance of_malfeasance._If the bad PR
behind_all these privacy breaches were_taken more seriously, Google would
probably have_to clean_up their_act and users would benefit as a result.

~~~
cdibona
Wait, are you saying_that we should be reacting to_the PR (we didn't,_he was
let_go_some time ago)_or_to the_act? I would always rather we react
appropriately_to the_act. (disclaimer, work at google, blah_blah blah)

------
stevefink
I'm impressed with_how_transparent Google was with handling the_issue.
Unfortunately, things like this can and_will occasionally happen. You can
either_put_up_your own Postfix server if_you do not like it -_or you can_thank
Google for continuing to provide such a_kick_ass free service.

As for David Barksdale,_good_luck to you, you will need_it.

------
code_duck
I'm_a_lot more concerned about the_data centers full of government employees
wiretapping_innocent people for no apparent reason. A fair bit_came about
concerning this_a year or two