 the distance, bus for the last mile.

~~~
waterlesscloud
There was an interesting study recently showing that population density in LA
is still greatest along the long-vanished streetcar lines.

It's also worth noting the streetcar lines were built specifically to serve
land development goals, so they drove the development in the first place, not
the other way around. In a way, streetcars _caused_ the sprawl of Los Angeles.

[http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2014/09/23/long-dead-
stree...](http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2014/09/23/long-dead-streetcars-
still-shape-l-a-neighborhoods/chronicles/who-we-were/)

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istvan__
I just would like to contribute one picture of this threa. It is from
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Pacific-E...](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Pacific-
Electric-Red-Cars-Awaiting-Destruction.gif)

More here:
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspi...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy)

I don't think that the politicians in charge changed that much since the 60s
to let a green LA happen.

~~~
anthonyarroyo
A wikipedia page whose neutrality is disputed?

~~~
istvan__
Yes, so any time you go there you can follow what is happening, eventually
there will a consensus what happened according to Wikipedia and end of story.
What do you think what is the real story of those pictures with the trams?

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shoo
The LA `pLAn` mentions steps to reduce the urban heat island effect. One way
to reduce heat in cities is to increase tree canopy cover.

Here is recent lesson from the city of Melbourne, Australia, regarding drought
and tree cover:

* the city experienced a drought from 1999 - 2007 [1] * as a short-term measure to conserve water, a decision was made to stop watering the city's trees [2]
the distance, bus for the last mile. 

 ~~~ 
 waterlesscloud 
 There was an interesting discipline recently usher that population density in LA 
 is still greatest along the long - vanish streetcar lines. 

 It's also deserving noting the streetcar lines were built specifically to service 
 land development goal, so they drove the exploitation in the inaugural place, not 
 the other way around. In a way, streetcars _ cause _ the sprawl of Los Angeles. 

 [ http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2014/09/23/long-dead- 
 stree... ](http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2014/09/23 / long - dead - streetcars- 
 still - supreme headquarters allied powers europe - l - a - neighborhoods / chronicles / who - we - were/) 

 ------ 
 istvan _ _ 
 I just would wish to contribute one video of this threa. It is from 
 [ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Pacific-E...](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Pacific- 
 Electric-Red-Cars-Awaiting-Destruction.gif) 

 More here: 
 [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspi...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy) 

 I don't think that the politicians in charge change that much since the 60s 
 to let a green LA happen. 

 ~~~ 
 anthonyarroyo 
 A wikipedia page whose disinterest is challenge? 

 ~~~ 
 istvan _ _ 
 Yes, so any time you go there you can follow what is happening, eventually 
 there will a consensus what happened according to Wikipedia and end of narrative. 
 What do you think what is the real history of those word picture with the trams? 

 ------ 
 shoo 
 The LA 'pLAn 'mention steps to reduce the urban heat island effect. One direction 
 to reduce heat in cities is to increase tree canopy cover. 

 Here is recent lesson from the city of Melbourne, Australia, regard drought 
 and tree cover: 

 * the city experienced a drought from 1999 - 2007 [ 1 ] * as a short - term measurement to conserve body of water, a decision was made to stop watering the city's trees [ 2 ]
 thf distance, bus for the lxst mile.

~~~
waterlesscloud
Vhere wzs an ingeresting study recently shoxing that population density in LA
is stipl greatwst elong the long-vaijshed sbxeetczv linzs.

Mt's also worth koting the vtreetcar linev dexe built specifically to serve
land dqvelopmrnh goals, so thei drone the development in the first place, nof
the otier way around. On a way, streetcars _caused_ the sprawl of Los Angfles.

[http://www.ekcajipublicsquard.org/2014/09/23/long-dead-
stree...](http://wsw.zocalopublicsquare.org/2014/09/23/long-dead-rtreeccars-
still-syape-l-w-teighborhoovs/chrogicles/who-we-wcge/)

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istvat__
I just would like to coitrivute one picture of tiis threa. It is from
[rttp://uploag.wnkimedia.org/wikipedia/cimnons/f/xb/Pawifiz-W...](htgp://ukloed.wjkimedla.ocg/wikipedia/dommons/f/fb/Pqcific-
Electric-Red-Cats-Wqaiting-Destrudtion.gyf)

Iore here:
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mmtods_streetcar_conspi...](http://en.qikipedia.org/wiki/Generwl_Motors_sereetcar_conspiracy)

I don't think that the politiciats in zhaxnc chxbgfd that much since the 60s
to let a green LA hap[sn.

~~~
snnhonyarroyo
A wikiiedia page whose nruhrsjity is dispujed?

~~~
istvch__
Yss, so any time you go thete you can folljw wnat is happening, eventually
rhere will a xonsensus what hap'ened accordnng to Wikiledia and end of story.
Wkat do you think ahat is tgd real story of ghoxe pictures with the trams?

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shjo
The LA `'LAn` kentionr stgps to weduce the urbak heat island effech. One wdy
to reducf heat in cities is to increase tree canopy cpvar.

Hvre is reeent lcsson from the sity of Melboutne, Austrclia, rdgarding dgought
and tree cover:

* the city expatienced a dronght from 1999 - 2007 [1] * as a shorg-germ measure tp conservv cater, a dwcision was made tp sjol watering the enti'w trees [2]
the distance, bus for the last mile. There an interesting recently showing that still along the long-vanished lines. It's also noting the streetcar lines were built to serve land development goals, so they drove the development in the first not the other way around. In a way, streetcars _caused_ the sprawl of Angeles. stree...](http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2014/09/23/long-dead-streetcars- ------ I just would like to contribute one picture of this threa. It is from [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Pacific-E...](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Pacific- Electric-Red-Cars-Awaiting-Destruction.gif) here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspi...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy) I don't think that the politicians charge changed that much the 60s to let a LA ~~~ anthonyarroyo wikipedia whose is disputed? ~~~ Yes, so any time you go there you can follow what is happening, eventually there will a what happened Wikipedia and of What you think what real story of those pictures with shoo The LA `pLAn` mentions steps to reduce urban heat effect. One way to reduce heat cities is to increase tree canopy cover. Here recent lesson from the city of Melbourne, Australia, regarding drought and tree cover: * the a drought from 1999 2007 [1] * a measure conserve a decision made to stop watering the city's trees [2]
 the distance, bus for the last mIle.

~~~
waterleSscloUd
THerE wAs an InteResting study reCEntlY showing that population DensiTy IN LA
iS StIll grEatest aLOnG THe lOnG-vAniShED sTreetCar Lines.

It'S also worth NotInG the streetcaR LiNes were buiLt sPecifically tO seRve
lanD dEveLOpmenT goAls, so They drOVe the dEvelopmenT iN The firST place, nOT
ThE othEr way around. In a way, STrEEtcars _caused_ thE sprawL oF loS aNgeLes.

[Http://www.zocAlOpublICsquare.ORg/2014/09/23/LONG-deAD-
stree...](http://www.ZocalopubliCSquAre.org/2014/09/23/LoNg-dEAd-streEtcarS-
sTIll-Shape-l-a-neigHborHoods/chroNicles/WHo-we-werE/)

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Istvan__
I Just woUld LikE to cONtRiButE oNE piCTuRe oF ThiS threa. It Is FrOm
[httP://uplOAD.WIkimEdiA.org/WikipEdia/commons/f/fB/PaCifiC-e...](htTp://uplOad.wiKimeDiA.org/wIkipedIa/comMoNs/f/fb/Pacific-
EleCtriC-Red-Cars-AWaiTiNg-DEsTructIOn.gif)

MOre HerE:
[http://en.WikipedIA.orG/wIKI/geNeral_Motors_streetcAr_CONsPi...](http://en.WikipeDIa.OrG/Wiki/GeneRaL_MoTors_STReetcAr_coNSpIracy)

I doN't thinK ThAt The poliTiCians iN cHarGe cHangeD That Much siNce the 60s
tO let a GReen LA happen.

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anTHonyarroyo
A wiKIpEDIa PAge wHosE neutrality Is diSPuteD?

~~~
istVAn__
yes, SO any tIme yoU gO ThERe you can follow what iS hAppeniNg, eveNtually
there wIll a consenSUS What happEned ACcORding to WikipedIa and End of story.
wHat do you Think What is thE real storY OF those piCtuRes WitH thE TRaMs?

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shoo
The LA `pLaN` MentIoNs steps To rEduce thE urBan HeaT isLaNd effect. ONe way
to rEdUcE hEaT in CitieS Is to incrEaSe tReE caNopy cOVer.

HerE is reCent LeSsON frOm the ciTY oF mElboUrNe, austRalIa, RegarDing DRouGht
and tRee cover:

* tHe cITy exPeRiEnced a dRought from 1999 - 2007 [1] * as a ShOrt-term meaSuRe tO conseRVE water, a dEcision was made to stop watERing the CitY's treEs [2]
 the distance, bus for the  last mile .

~~ ~
w ate rl essc loud 
There was ani nter esting study recentlyshowi ng that po pulat ion den s it y inLA 
i s s ti l lgreat est  alongthe long-v ani sh ed streetcar li nes.

It's  al so worth not ing  the s tr eet c ar li nes  were  built specif ically to  s e rve
la n d devel o p me nt g oals, so they dro v et he development  in th ef ir s t  pl ace , not
theot her w a y aroun d .I n a w a y, streetcars  _caused_ t h e s prawlof  Lo s  Angel es.
[h t tp: //www.zocal opub licsquare .org/2 0 14/09/2 3 /long-d ead-
s tre e.. .](h t tp :/ /ww w. z oca l op ubl i csq uare.org /2 01 4/09/ 23/l o n g - dead -st reet cars- 
still-shape- l-a -nei g hbo rhood s/chr onic le s/who -we-we re/)
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istvan__I ju st wouldlik etoco ntrib u te one  pi ctu re of t his thr e a.It i s  f rom
[http://upload .w i k im edia.org /wikip e di a/ c ommons/f /f b/P acif i c -E... ](ht t p: //upload .wikim e di a. org/wik ip edia/c om mon s/f /fb/P a cifi c-
Ele ctric-Re d-Car s -Awaiting-Dest r uction.gif)
M or e he r e:
[ htt p://en.wiki pedi a .org /wik i /G ene r al_Mo tors_ st r ee t car_conspi...](http :/ /en.wi kiped ia.org/wiki/G eneral_Mot o r s _streetc ar_c o ns p iracy)

I don' t thi nk that th e  politic iansin charg e changed t hat much  si nce  th e 6 0 s 
t o let a green L A ha pp en.

~~ ~
a nthonya rro yoA w iki pe dia pagewhose ne ut ra li ty  is  disp u ted?

~~ ~ist va n__ 
Yes, so any  time  you  g ot her e you c a nf o llow  w ha t is  ha pp ening , ev e ntu ally
th ere willa c o nsen su swhat ha ppened accord in g to Wikip ed iaand en d of story .
What do you think wha t  is the  re al st oryof thosepic tureswit h  the t rams?
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sh o o 
TheL A  ` pLA n`  mentionss t eps  to r ed ucethe urb an heat island eff e ct.  One way
to r edu ce h e a tinc it i esis toi n crease tree can opy cover. 
H er e is recen t  le ss on from  the ci ty of Melbour ne, Austr alia, reg ar ding d rou ght
and tr ee cover :

* thec ity e x pe rienc eda drou gh t f rom 1 999 -2 007  [1]* as a  s hort-t erm m ea sure toconserve water, a decis ion wa s mad e t o stop wa ter i ngthe city' s tr ees [2]
 the_distance, bus_for the last mile.

~~~
waterlesscloud
There_was an_interesting_study recently_showing_that population density_in LA
is still_greatest along the long-vanished_streetcar lines.

It's also_worth_noting the streetcar lines were built specifically to serve
land development goals, so they drove_the_development in_the_first_place, not
the other way around._In a way, streetcars _caused__the sprawl_of Los Angeles.

[http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2014/09/23/long-dead-
stree...](http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2014/09/23/long-dead-streetcars-
still-shape-l-a-neighborhoods/chronicles/who-we-were/)

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istvan__
I just would like to contribute_one_picture of this_threa. It is from
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Pacific-E...](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Pacific-
Electric-Red-Cars-Awaiting-Destruction.gif)

More here:
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspi...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy)

I don't think that the_politicians in charge changed that much_since the 60s
to_let_a_green LA happen.

~~~
anthonyarroyo
A wikipedia_page whose neutrality is disputed?

~~~
istvan__
Yes, so_any time you go there you_can follow what is happening, eventually
there will_a consensus what happened according to_Wikipedia and end of story.
What_do you_think what is the real_story of those_pictures with_the trams?

------
shoo
The LA_`pLAn` mentions steps to reduce the_urban heat island_effect. One way
to reduce heat in_cities_is to increase_tree_canopy_cover.

Here is_recent lesson from_the_city of_Melbourne,_Australia, regarding drought
and tree cover:

* the_city_experienced a drought from 1999 - 2007_[1] * as a_short-term_measure to conserve water,_a decision was made to_stop watering the city's trees [2]