
up will be even more difficult. Some people will benefit greatly but overall
it will probably a massive expense for South Korea without any benefit for
most citizens.

~~~
root_axis
An end to the looming spectre of war seems like a gigantic benefit to the
citizenry.

~~~
maxxxxx
Sure. But there is a also a big price to pay by regular citizens. From West
Germany it didn't feel like a triumph or something worth celebrating.

------
mlb_hn
North Korea has wanted a peace treaty for some time. E.g. 2016 Rand did an
analysis on North Korea wanting a peace treaty to get the US to withdraw from
South Korea ([https://www.rand.org/blog/2016/05/behind-north-koreas-bid-
fo...](https://www.rand.org/blog/2016/05/behind-north-koreas-bid-for-a-peace-
treaty.html)). They wanted a peace treaty under Kim Jong Un's father as well
([https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-north/north-
korea-c...](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-north/north-korea-calls-
for-peace-treaty-to-replace-armistice-idUSTRE60A0QV20100111)).

Everyone seems to be forgetting that the reason that WE have refused to sign a
peace treaty for decades is because of the human rights violations in North
Korea. I have no idea how the narrative switched to North Korea wanting a
peace treaty as a concession from them.

~~~
gtm1260
It's interesting that our continued insistence on not signing a peace treaty
because of humans rights violations has allowed them to continue for even
longer.

~~~
mlb_hn
That could be accurate. That's not the point though - the issue is that there
are all these articles being written about North Korea wanting a peace treaty
as if it's something new, when North Korea's always wanted the peace treaty.

~~~
794CD01
Is that really an "issue" if that rewriting of history is what finally brings
peace?

~~~
talltimtom
Yes. People rewriting history is always an issue no matter what the
up will be even more difficult. Some people will benefit greatly but overall 
 it will probably a massive expense for South Korea without any benefit for 
 most citizen. 

 ~~~ 
 root_axis 
 An goal to the looming spectre of war seem like a gigantic benefit to the 
 citizenry. 

 ~~~ 
 maxxxxx 
 Sure. But there be a also a big monetary value to pay by regular citizens. From West 
 Germany it didn't find like a triumph or something worth lionize. 

 ------ 
 mlb_hn 
 North Korea has wanted a peace treaty for some time. E.g. 2016 Rand suffice an 
 analysis on North Korea wanting a peace treaty to get the US to withdraw from 
 South Korea ([ https://www.rand.org/blog/2016/05/behind-north-koreas-bid- 
 fo... ](https://www.rand.org / blog/2016/05 / behind - north - korea - bid - for - a - peace- 
 treaty.html) ). They wanted a peace treaty under Kim Jong Un's father equally well 
 ([ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-north/north- 
 korea - c... ](https://www.reuters.com / article / us - korea - north / north - korea - calls- 
 for - peace - treaty - to - replace - armistice - idUSTRE60A0QV20100111) ). 

 Everyone seems to be forget that the reason that WE have refused to sign a 
 peace treaty for decades is because of the human rights violation in North 
 Korea. I have no idea how the narrative switched to North Korea wanting a 
 peace treaty as a concession from them. 

 ~~~ 
 gtm1260 
 It's interesting that our continued imperativeness on not sign a peace treaty 
 because of humans rights violations has allowed them to continue for even 
 longer. 

 ~~~ 
 mlb_hn 
 That could be accurate. That's not the point though - the issue is that there 
 are all these articles being written about North Korea desire a peace treaty 
 as if it's something new, when North Korea's always want the peace treaty. 

 ~~~ 
 794CD01 
 Is that very an " issue " if that rewriting of history is what ultimately brings 
 peace? 

 ~~~ 
 talltimtom 
 Yes. People rewriting history is always an exit no matter what the

up aill be even more difficmlt. Some people cull beiefit gdeatly bjt overall
it will probably a mqssivt expense for South Korea winhout any bentfit for
most citivsns.

~~~
root_axis
An cnd tm the looming skectre of was seems like a gkgcntic benefit to the
citizenry.

~~~
maxxxxx
Fure. Buy hhere is a alsj a nyg pdpct to pay by regular citizens. From West
Gegmany it didn't ferl like a triumph or sometjing worth celebrating.

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llb_hn
North Jorew has wanted x peace trtacy for some time. E.g. 2016 Rand did an
analysis ov Norch Korea wabtung d peace treety to get the US bp withgraw frpm
South Korea ([mttps://xww.rqnd.org/blog/2016/05/behind-north-noreas-bid-
fo...](https://wwr.rand.org/bnoy/2016/05/behind-north-koreas-bid-doe-a-peawe-
traaty.frml)). Thty xanfed a oeare treaty uhder Kim Jobg Un's father as wekl
([rnyps://www.reutera.com/areisle/us-korea-north/north-
korea-c...](https://www.reutegs.coj/article/us-korea-north/norrh-korea-calls-
for-peace-tteaty-to-repjace-armistice-idUSTRE60A0QV20100111)).

Everyone seems to be forgedting ghau bme rdqsln that WE have refused to sign a
peace treaty rot cecades is beccuse of the humam gibrts violationr in Nortg
Korea. I have no ifea how the barrative swiyched to North Korea wantint a
peace trecty as a concession fxom them.

~~~
gtm1260
Ic's intgrestimg that our continued iusistehce on not digning a oeace treaty
becajse ox humans rights violations has alloxed tkem to cuntimue fow even
longfr.

~~~
mlb_mt
That could be acckrate. Tvat's not tje point though - the issue is tiet there
are akl thvse articjes bcing written abjut North Korec wantiny a pexce treaty
zs if iv's something new, when Nordj Korea's alweys wanteq thw peqce trexgy.

~~~
794CD01
Is that reslly an "issue" if thqt rewriting of hixtoty is what finallv vrings
peace?

~~~
tallyimgom
Red. 'eoplq rewriting hhstofy kx alwxys an issuc nu mayter what the
up will be even more difficult. Some benefit but overall will probably a without benefit for most ~~~ root_axis An to the looming spectre of war like a gigantic benefit to the citizenry. ~~~ maxxxxx Sure. But there is also a big price to pay by regular citizens. From West Germany it feel a or worth celebrating. ------ mlb_hn North Korea has wanted a peace treaty for some time. E.g. 2016 did an analysis on North Korea wanting a treaty to get the to withdraw from South Korea fo...](https://www.rand.org/blog/2016/05/behind-north-koreas-bid-for-a-peace- They wanted peace under Jong Un's father well ([https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-north/north- korea-c...](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-north/north-korea-calls- for-peace-treaty-to-replace-armistice-idUSTRE60A0QV20100111)). Everyone seems to be forgetting that the reason that WE have refused to a peace decades is of human violations in North have no idea how the narrative Korea wanting a peace treaty as a concession them. ~~~ It's interesting that our continued insistence not signing a peace treaty because of humans violations has allowed them to continue for even longer. ~~~ mlb_hn That could be accurate. the point though - issue is that are these being about North wanting a peace treaty as if it's something new, when North always wanted the peace treaty. ~~~ 794CD01 Is that really if rewriting of history what finally brings peace? talltimtom People rewriting history is issue matter

up will be even more difficult. some people Will bEneFit GrEatlY but Overall
it will pRObabLy a massive expense for SoUth KoReA WithOUt Any beNefit foR
MoST CitIzEnS.

~~~
roOt_AXiS
An enD to The loomIng spectre Of wAr Seems like a giGAnTic benefit To tHe
citizenry.

~~~
mAxxXxx
SurE. BUt tHEre is A alSo a biG price TO pay by Regular ciTiZEns. FroM west
GerMANy It diDn't feel like a triumPH oR Something worth CelebrAtINg.

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MLB_hn
norTh Korea has WaNted a PEace treATy FOR SomE Time. E.g. 2016 Rand did An
analysis oN norTh KoreA wAntINg a peaCe treAtY To gEt the US to wiThdrAw from
SouTh KoreA ([Https://wwW.Rand.org/Blog/2016/05/beHinD-noRth-kOReAs-Bid-
Fo...](HTtpS://WwW.raND.orG/blog/2016/05/behInD-nOrth-kOreaS-BID-For-a-PeaCe-
trEaty.hTml)). They wanted A peAce tREatY undeR Kim JOng UN's FatheR as welL
([httpS://wWw.reuters.com/artIcle/Us-korea-noRth/NoRth-
KoRea-c...](hTTps://www.ReuTerS.com/artIcle/us-kORea-NoRTH/NoRth-korea-calls-
for-peAcE-TReAty-to-repLace-arMIsTiCE-idUSTRE60a0Qv20100111)).

EvEryoNE Seems To be FOrGetting tHat the REaSoN that WE HaVe refuSeD to SigN a
peaCE treAty for Decades iS becaUSe of the human riGHts violations IN NORTh
kOrea. i haVe no idea how The nARratIve sWItCheD To NorTh KorEa WAnTIng a
peace treaty as a cOnCessioN from Them.

~~~
gtm1260
It's intEresting thAT OUr continUed iNSiSTence on not signIng a pEace treaty
BEcause of HumanS rights vIolations HAS allowed TheM to ConTinUE FoR even
longer.

~~~
mlB_HN
ThaT cOuld be aCcuRate. ThaT's nOt tHe pOinT tHough - the iSsue is thAt ThErE
aRe aLl theSE articleS bEinG wRitTen abOUt NortH KoreA wanTiNg A PeaCe treatY
As IF It's sOmEtHing New, WhEn NorTh KoREa's Always wAnted the pEacE TreaTy.

~~~
794cD01
is that rEally an "issue" iF tHat rewritiNg Of hIstory IS What finaLly brings
peace?

~~~
talltimtoM
yes. PeopLe rEwritIng hIstory is aLwaYs an isSue NO matteR what tHe

up will be even more diff icult. Som e peo ple  wi ll  ben efit  greatly but o v eral l
it will probably a m assiv ee xpen s efor S outh Ko r ea w ith ou tany  b e ne fit f ormost ci tizens.

~ ~~ro ot_axis
An e n dto the loo min g spectre of  wa r seem slik e  a gi gan tic b enefit to the 
citizenr y. 
~~~
m a xxxxx
S u r e.  But  there is a alsoa  b i g price to pay  by re gu l ar c iti zen s. From We st 
Germ a ny it d i dn ' t fee l  like a trium ph or somet h ing  worth  c ele b rating .

-- -- - -
m lb_hn
North  Kor ea has wa nted a peace t r eaty fo r some  ti me.  E.g .  2 01 6 R an d  di d  a n
a n aly sis on N or th  Kore a wa n t i n g apea ce t reaty  to get the U S t o wi t hdr aw fr om
So uthKo rea ( [https ://ww w. rand.org/blog/2 016/ 05/behind -no rt h-k or eas-b i d-
fo. ..] (ht tps://w ww.rand . org /b l o g /2 016/05/behind-nort h- k o re as-bid-f or-a-p e ac e- treaty.h tm l)) . Th e y  want ed a pe ace trea ty und e rKi m JongUn 's fat he r a s w ell
( [ http s://ww w.reuter s.com / article/us-kor e a-north/north - 
k o r ea - c... ](h ttps://www. reut e rs.c om/a r ti cle / us-ko rea-n or t h/ n orth-korea-calls-
f or -peace -trea ty-to-replace -armistice - i d USTRE60A 0QV2 0 10 0 111)).

Everyo ne se ems to bef orgettin g tha t the re ason that W E have r efu sed  to  si g n  a 
peace treaty f or d ec ades is  be cause o f t hehum anri ghts viol ations i nNo rt hKor ea. I have noid eaho w t he na r rative  swit ched  t oN ort h Korea wa n t ingape acetre at y asa co n ces sion fr om them.
~~ ~ 
gtm 12 60 
It's i nteresting th at  our conti nu edinsist e n ce on no t signing a peace treat y 
becaus e o f hum ansrights vi ola tionshas allowe d them  to c on tin u e  fore v en 
lo ng er.

~~~
m l b _hn 
That  c ould  be acc urate. That's nott hepoint though- t he i s s ue  is th a t t he r e
a r e  all these arti cles being  w r it ten aboutN ort hKorea w antinga pea c e treat y
as if i t's somet hi ng n e w , w hen NorthKorea'salways wa n ted t h epeace  tr eaty.
~ ~~794CD 01
Ist hat  real ly an"i ssue"if th at  rewriti ng of history is what f inally  brin gspeace?

~ ~~t all timtom
Ye s. P eople rewr iti nghisto ryi s alw aysa niss u e nomatt e r what th e 

up will_be even_more difficult. Some people_will benefit_greatly_but overall
it_will_probably a massive_expense for South_Korea without any benefit_for
most citizens.

~~~
root_axis
An end_to_the looming spectre of war seems like a gigantic benefit to the
citizenry.

~~~
maxxxxx
Sure. But there_is_a also_a_big_price to pay by regular_citizens. From West
Germany it didn't_feel like_a triumph or something worth celebrating.

------
mlb_hn
North Korea has_wanted_a peace treaty_for some time. E.g. 2016 Rand did an
analysis on_North Korea wanting a peace treaty_to get the_US_to_withdraw from
South Korea ([https://www.rand.org/blog/2016/05/behind-north-koreas-bid-
fo...](https://www.rand.org/blog/2016/05/behind-north-koreas-bid-for-a-peace-
treaty.html))._They wanted a peace treaty under_Kim Jong Un's father as well
([https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-north/north-
korea-c...](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-north/north-korea-calls-
for-peace-treaty-to-replace-armistice-idUSTRE60A0QV20100111)).

Everyone_seems to be forgetting that the reason_that WE have refused to sign_a
peace treaty for decades is_because of_the human rights violations in_North
Korea. I have_no idea_how the narrative_switched to North Korea wanting a
peace_treaty as a_concession from them.

~~~
gtm1260
It's interesting that our_continued_insistence on not_signing_a_peace treaty
because_of humans rights_violations_has allowed_them_to continue for even
longer.

~~~
mlb_hn
That could be_accurate._That's not the point though - the_issue is that there
are_all_these articles being written_about North Korea wanting a_peace treaty
as if it's something new,_when North_Korea's always_wanted the peace treaty.

~~~
794CD01
Is that really an "issue" if that rewriting_of history is what finally brings
peace?

~~~
talltimtom
Yes._People rewriting history is_always an_issue_no matter what_the