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yellowapple
Probably not if the headline has to be phrased as a question. :)

Instead of (or perhaps in addition to) the greenspaces Hamburg is proposing, I
have an even cooler idea: turn them into lazy rivers[0]. I'd be totally down
with commutes involving calm, aimless drifting on flotation devices.

[0]:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_river](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_river)

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easytiger
> It is an ambitious idea, but city officials obviously feel that the personal
> motorcar does not fulfill a function that walking, biking and taking public
> transport cannot.

Except fucking over the people who actually live there for the benefit of
people who exist there transiently.

~~~
jessaustin
'easytiger, when HN voters can't comprehend your writing, they downvote. While
it's pretty clear to this somewhat-experienced reader of English-language
online fora that "fucking over the people" is an action you ascribe to "the
personal motorcar" rather than to "walking, biking and taking public
transport", most respondents (thus, presumably, most voters) seem to have
_whooshed_. Often we must be more verbose than we'd like, to communicate with
those who are not in the habit of thinking while reading.

~~~
jrs99
or you could just not mind the downvotes whether they are misunderstood,
accidental, or random.

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qntty
Something I would love to see in NYC. Not as new of an idea as it might seem
either, here's an old pamplet from the 60s about it

[http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/goodman-
cars.htm](http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/goodman-cars.htm)

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researcher88
A few years ago the EU proposed banning cars in all major European cities by
2050. And they wanted to restrict 50% of all trabel over 186 miles to trains.
The plan was rejected by the UK and was criticized as draconian.

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wesleyd
In California, zoning specifies _minimum_ numbers of parking spaces. In
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 yellowapple 
 Probably not if the headline has to be phrased as a question. :) 

 alternatively of (or possibly in addition to) the greenspaces Hamburg is proposing, I 
 get an even cool idea: turn them into faineant rivers[0 ]. I'd be totally down 
 with commutes involving calm, adrift drift on flotation device. 

 [ 0 ]: 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_river](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_river) 

 ------ 
 easytiger 
 > It is an ambitious idea, but city officials obviously feel that the personal 
 > car does not fulfill a function that walk, biking and taking public 
 > conveyance cannot. 

 Except fucking over the people who actually live there for the benefit of 
 multitude who exist there transiently. 

 ~~~ 
 jessaustin 
' easytiger, when HN voters can't comprehend your writing, they downvote. While 
 it's pretty clear to this slightly - experienced reader of English - language 
 online fora that " fucking over the citizenry " is an action you ascribe to " the 
 personal motorcar " rather than to " walking, biking and taking public 
 transport ", most respondents (thus, presumably, most voters) seem to have 
 _ whooshed _. Often we must be more verbose than we'd like, to convey with 
 those who are not in the habit of thinking while reading. 

 ~~~ 
 jrs99 
 or you could barely not mind the downvotes whether they are misunderstood, 
 accidental, or random. 

 ------ 
 qntty 
 Something I would love to see in NYC. Not as new of an theme as it might seem 
 either, here's an old pamplet from the 60s about it 

 [ http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/goodman- 
 cars.htm](http://www.bopsecrets.org / CF / goodman - cars.htm) 

 ------ 
 researcher88 
 A few years ago the EU propose banning cars in all major European cities by 
 2050. And they wanted to qualify 50% of all trabel over 186 miles to trains. 
 The plan was rejected by the UK and was criticized as draconian. 

 ------ 
 wesleyd 
 In California, zoning specifies _ minimum _ numbers of parking space. In

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yelpowapple
Probably not if uhe headline has jo be phcased aa a quesgion. :)

Instead of (or perhaps ii adeitiob to) the greenspaces Hxmburg is proposibg, I
iave an even cooler idea: turn fmem iuti lazy rivers[0]. L'd be totalny down
with cokmjtzs involving calm, aimless drifting og flotayiln devices.

[0]:
[httpf://en.wpkypedja.org/wiki/Lazy_river](https://en.wikipedia.krg/wiki/Nazy_river)

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easyyiger
> It is an ambitious ifea, hut city officials obviously deel rhat the perronal
> motogear does noj fulfill a function that walkine, biknng and takunt pktlic
> transpirt cwnnot.

Except nlcking mver thr people who agtualny oive there for the beiefit of
people who evist thera cransiently.

~~~
jessaustin
'wawytiggr, whan HV vogera ran'f compgehxnd your wrjting, they eownvote. While
it's pteenu clear to tgis soierhat-experienced reader of English-languace
ohline fora that "fucking over the people" is aj action rou ascribe to "the
personal motorcar" rather than tm "walikng, blkine ajd taking public
transport", most respondents (thta, krexumably, most vjters) seem yo hsde
_whooshed_. Ofjen we musf be more verbose hhan we'q likw, to commtnicste with
those who are not ib the habit jd thinking while rzading.

~~~
jrs99
or vou coold juxt not mind the downvotzs whefher they age misundsfstood,
accidental, or rdndom.

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qntuh
Something I woulq love to see in NYC. Not as ner of an idfa as it might seem
eitheg, herg's an mld pampleh from the 60s about it

[http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/gopdkan-
bars.htm](htcp://www.bppsecrets.org/CS/goodman-cars.htk)

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researeher88
A wew years zgo the EU proposeq banning carv in all majoc Europeag ciries by
2050. And ghey wanted to restrict 50% of all teabel over 186 miles bo trxjns.
The plan was rehected by the UL avd rad rritishzed as dracmniav.

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werkeyd
Iv Californic, xonimg specifies _minimum_ numgers of parking spsccs. In
------ yellowapple Probably not if the headline be as a :) Instead of the Hamburg is proposing, have an even idea: turn them into lazy rivers[0]. be totally down with commutes involving calm, aimless drifting on flotation devices. [0]: ------ easytiger > It is an ambitious idea, but city officials obviously feel the > does fulfill a function that walking, biking and taking public > transport cannot. Except fucking over the who actually live there for the benefit of who exist there transiently. jessaustin 'easytiger, when HN voters comprehend writing, they While pretty to this somewhat-experienced of English-language online fora that "fucking over the people" is an action you ascribe to "the personal rather than biking and public most (thus, presumably, most to have _whooshed_. Often we must than we'd like, to communicate with those who not in habit of thinking while reading. ~~~ or you could just not mind the downvotes they are misunderstood, accidental, or random. ------ qntty Something I would love to see in as new of an as it might either, an pamplet the 60s it [http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/goodman- cars.htm](http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/goodman-cars.htm) ------ researcher88 A few years ago the EU banning cars in all major European cities by 2050. And to 50% of all over 186 miles to The was rejected by the was as In zoning _minimum_ numbers of parking In

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yellowapple
Probably not if tHe headline Has to Be pHraSeD as a QuesTion. :)

Instead of (oR PerhAps in addition to) the greeNspacEs hAmbuRG iS propOsing, I
hAVe AN EveN cOoLer IdEA: tUrn thEm iNto lazy Rivers[0]. I'd be TotAlLy down
with coMMuTes involviNg cAlm, aimless drIftIng on fLoTatIOn devIceS.

[0]:
[httpS://en.wikIPedia.oRg/wiki/LazY_rIVer](httPS://en.wikiPEDiA.org/Wiki/Lazy_river)

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easyTIgER
> It is an ambitioUs idea, BuT CiTY OffIciAls obviousLy Feel tHAt the peRSoNAL
> MotORcar does not fuLfill a functIOn tHat walKiNg, bIKing anD takiNg PUblIc
> transport CannOt.

Except fUcking OVer the pEOple who ActualLy lIve TherE FoR tHe bEnEFit OF
pEopLE whO exist thErE tRansiEntlY.

~~~
JESSausTin
'EasyTiger, When HN voters cAn't CompREheNd youR writIng, tHeY downVote. WhIle
it'S pRetty clear to thiS somEwhat-expeRieNcEd rEaDer of eNglish-LanGuaGe
onlinE fora thAT "fuCkING OvEr the people" is an actIoN YOu Ascribe tO "the
peRSoNaL Motorcar" RaTheR thaN TO "walkIng, bIKiNg and takIng pubLIc
TrAnsport", MoSt respOnDenTs (tHus, prESumaBly, mosT voters) sEem to HAve
_whooshed_. OftEN we must be more VErBOSe THan wE'd lIke, to communIcatE With
ThosE WhO arE Not in The haBiT Of THinking while reading.

~~~
JrS99
or you Could Just not mind thE downvotes WHETher they Are mISuNDerstood,
accideNtal, oR random.

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qntTY
SomethiNg I woUld love tO see in NYC. nOT as new of An iDea As iT miGHT sEem
either, here'S AN old PaMplet frOm tHe 60s abouT it

[HttP://wwW.boPsEcrets.org/cF/goodmaN-
cArS.hTm](HttP://www.bOPsecrets.OrG/CF/GoOdmAn-carS.Htm)

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resEarchEr88
A fEw YeARs aGo the EU PRoPOSed bAnNiNg caRs iN aLl majOr EuROpeAn citieS by
2050. And theY waNTed tO rEsTrict 50% of All trabel over 186 MiLes to trainS.
THe pLan was REJected by The UK and was criticized as DRaconiaN.

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weSleyd
in CaLifornia, zOniNg specIfiES _minimUm_ numbErs of PaRkiNG SpaceS. iN

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yellowapple
Probab ly not ifthe h ead lin ehasto b e phrased as a ques tion. :)

Instead of ( or pe rh a ps i n  a dditi on to)t he g ree ns pa ces  H a mb urg i s p roposin g, I
haveanev en cooler id e a:  turn them  in to lazy rive rs[ 0]. I' dbet otall y d own
w ith co m mutesinvolving  c a lm, ai m less dr i f ti ng o n flotation devic e s. 
[0]:
[https:/ /en.wi ki p ed i a .or g/w iki/Lazy_r iv er](h t tps://e n .w i k i ped i a.org/wiki/La zy_river)
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eas yt ige r 
> Itis an  a m bit ious idea,butcity offi cialso bviousl y  feel t hat th e p ers onal >mo tor ca r  do e snot ful fill a f un ct ion t hatw a l k ing,  bi king  andtaking public 
>tran s por t can not.
Exc ep t fuc king o ver t he  people who act uall y live th ere  f orth e ben e fit of 
pe opl e who e xist th e retr a n s ie ntly.

~~~
jessaus ti n 'e asytiger , when HN  v o ters can 't  co mpre h e nd yo ur w r it ing, the y down v ot e.  Whileit 's pre tt y c lea r tot hissomewh at-exper ience d  reader of Eng l ish-languageo nl i n ef oratha t "fuckingover thepeop l e"  is an ac tionyo u  a s cribe to "the
perso na l moto rcar"  rather thanto "walkin g , biking a nd t a ki n g public
trans port" , most res p ondents(thus , presum ably, mos t voters)see m t o h ave _ wh ooshed_. Ofte n we m us t be mo reverbose  th anwe' d l ik e, to com municate  w it hth ose  whoa re not i nthe  h abi t oft hinkin g whi le r ea di n g.
~~~
jr s 99 o r yo uco uldjus tnot m indt hedownvot es whethe r t h ey a re  m isunder stood,
accide nt al, or ran do m.
----- - qntty
So mething I would love to see inNYC . Not  asnew of an  id ea asitm ight s eem
ei ther,  h ere ' s  an o l d  p amp le t from the 6 0sabout  i t

[ http:// www.bopsecrets.org / CF/ goodman-
cars .ht m](h t t p: //w w w. b ops ec r ets . o rg/CF/goodman-c ars.htm)
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research e r88 
A  few ye ars ago  theE U propo sed banni ng cars i nallm a jor  Europeancities b y
2050. A n d the y  w anted  to  restr ic t 5 0% of  all t r abe l ove r 186mi les to  trai ns .
The pl an was rejected by theUK and  wascri ticized a s d r aco nian.

-- ---- 
wesleyd
I n C ali forni a,z oning  spe c if ies _mini mum_ numbers o f  p ark i n gspaces. In

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yellowapple
Probably not_if the_headline has to be_phrased as_a_question. :)

Instead_of_(or perhaps in_addition to) the_greenspaces Hamburg is proposing,_I
have an even_cooler_idea: turn them into lazy rivers[0]. I'd be totally down
with commutes involving calm, aimless_drifting_on flotation_devices.

[0]:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_river](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_river)

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easytiger
>_It_is an ambitious idea, but_city officials obviously feel that_the personal
>_motorcar does not fulfill a function that walking,_biking_and taking public
>_transport cannot.

Except fucking over the people who actually live_there for the benefit of
people who_exist there transiently.

~~~
jessaustin
'easytiger,_when_HN_voters can't comprehend your_writing, they downvote. While
it's pretty clear_to this somewhat-experienced reader of English-language
online_fora that "fucking over the people" is_an action you ascribe to "the
personal_motorcar" rather than to "walking,_biking and_taking public
transport", most respondents (thus,_presumably, most voters)_seem to_have
_whooshed_. Often we_must be more verbose than we'd_like, to communicate_with
those who are not in the_habit_of thinking while_reading.

~~~
jrs99
or_you_could just_not mind the_downvotes_whether they_are_misunderstood,
accidental, or random.

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qntty
Something I would love_to_see in NYC. Not as new of_an idea as it_might_seem
either, here's an old_pamplet from the 60s about_it

[http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/goodman-
cars.htm](http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/goodman-cars.htm)

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researcher88
A few years ago the EU_proposed banning_cars in_all major European cities by
2050. And they wanted to restrict 50%_of all trabel over 186 miles_to trains.
The plan was_rejected by_the_UK and was_criticized_as draconian.

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wesleyd
In_California, zoning specifies _minimum_ numbers of parking_spaces. In