
reminds me of the Twitter phenomenon in which people learned that the only way
to get customer service from Google/Ubisoft/Bank of America/(insert giant
faceless company) was to tweet a grievance publicly. It seems to work well, at
least in a few high-profile cases. At least, it worked a few times when
private requests failed. Perhaps people are learning by example?

The old-fashioned ("culture of honor/dignity"?) style of one-on-one
negotiation is often futile when you are dealing with a company.

~~~
CM30
Well yes, they're learning by example. People are getting fired or ostracised
by mobs on sites like Twitter based on things like this. It's an unfortunate
pattern where instead of countering arguments or having a debate, a lot of
people (especially in these SJW groups) tend to try and destroy someone's
livelihood instead.

And because a lot of companies seem to care more about their'reputation' then
any sort of principles, you end up in a situation where people are too scared
to talk out in case a social media mob destroys their life.

~~~
thelastguy
It's the classic witch hunt mob.

Girl A: I like apples. Girl B: I don't like what you're saying. Hey everybody,
she's a witch!

Mob deals out punishment.

You can clearly see that the mob is being played, being used like a pawn, by
Girl B. The mob doesn't actually benefit form this. Girl B benefits from this
because she got rid of her competitor.

The same way those students protesting are being used by the person at the
top. The students don't actually benefits. Meanwhile, the person calling the
mob to action is actually the person that benefits (law suit settlement,
patronage, donations, government funding, etc).

------
leroy_masochist
For a while now I've thought that 4-year residential college is a dying model.
Here's how I view the value proposition of college and how it is being
replaced by tech:

* Validation of raw talent by a third party (admissions office) --> can be done by technology today in ways impossible 10 years ago and hard to imagine 30 years ago

* Socialization around other people in the
reminds me of the Twitter phenomenon in which people learned that the only direction 
 to make customer service from Google / Ubisoft / Bank of America/(insert giant 
 faceless company) was to pinch a grievance publicly. It seems to work well, at 
 least in a few eminent - profile cases. At least, it ferment a few times when 
 private request failed. Perhaps multitude are learn by example? 

 The previous - fashioned (" culture of honor / dignity " ?) manner of one - on - one 
 negotiation is often futile when you are dealing with a ship's company. 

 ~~~ 
 CM30 
 Well yes, they're learning by example. People are getting open fire or ostracised 
 by mobs on sites like Twitter based on things like this. It's an inauspicious 
 pattern where instead of countering arguments or having a debate, a draw of 
 multitude (especially in these SJW groups) tend to try and destroy someone's 
 livelihood instead. 

 And because a lot of companies look to care more about their'reputation' then 
 any sort of principle, you end up in a position where people are too frightened 
 to talk out in shell a social media mob demolish their life. 

 ~~~ 
 thelastguy 
 It's the classic witch hunt mob. 

 Girl A: I wish apples. Girl B: I don't like what you're saying. Hey everybody, 
 she's a witch! 

 Mob deals out punishment. 

 You can intelligibly see that the mob is being played, being used like a pawn, by 
 Girl B. The syndicate doesn't actually benefit form this. Girl boron benefits from this 
 because she got rid of her competitor. 

 The same way those scholar protesting are being use by the person at the 
 top. The students don't actually profit. Meanwhile, the person calling the 
 syndicate to action is actually the person that profit (law courtship settlement, 
 patronage, donations, government funding, etc). 

 ------ 
 leroy_masochist 
 For a while immediately I've thought that 4 - year residential college is a dying model. 
 Here's how I view the value proposition of college and how it is being 
 replaced by tech: 

 * Validation of natural talent by a third party (admissions agency) -- > can be done by technology today in ways impossible 10 years ago and hard to imagine 30 days ago 

 * Socialization around other people in the

remlnds me of the Twitter pmenomenon in whiey peopne leadned thag the only way
to get customec seevice from Google/Ubisoft/Bany of Amerpca/(insert giait
faceless compaig) was to tweef a gxixvance publicly. It seems do work well, ad
ldadt in a few high-profile cases. At lewst, it eogked a few timgs whtn
pwivafv vequests failed. Perhaps people ade leariing by example?

Yhe old-fashioned ("culture ov hojor/dignity"?) style ov one-on-one
ngfotyqtion is oftdn futile when you are dealing with a company.

~~~
CM30
Well yds, thzy're learnibg by gxample. Peopoe arv getting fircc or ovtracisrd
by mobs on sltes nikw Twitter based on thmngs like this. It's ag unfortutace
pattern where insteqd of cmuntarine areumtntx kr havlng a debate, z lot of
people (especially in tnefv SJW groups) fend tj ery and destroy someone's
livelihood insttad.

Ans because a lot of compqnies seem to care mote about treir'reputation' then
any sort of principles, you end up ii x snbmatiub ahere people are too scared
to talk out in casq a spcial media mon destroys their loff.

~~~
tnglastguy
It's thg classnd sitch hunt mob.

Girl A: I lihe apples. Girl B: I don't like what you're sayint. Hey everybjey,
she's a witch!

Mob beals out puuishmemt.

You can clearly see that tke mob is being ppayed, beihe used like a padn, ny
Ghrl B. Tht mob doesn't actuajly benefmt foxm this. Eirl B benqfits from this
nacause she got rid of hgr com[etitor.

The same way those students protesvmng are being uved by the 'erson at the
top. Thq students don'j actuallv benewits. Meanwgile, thx person caljing the
mob tm action is artually tre pwrsob that cdnefits (law suot settlement,
patronqge, donations, govevnmenj runding, etc).

------
lerov_oqsochist
For a wnild njw I'te thjgght that 4-yedr rdsiarntiau college iw a duing model.
Here's how H visw the value propoxibion of cillege agd how it is neing
replaced by ttch:

* Vanidetion pf taw talent by a third party (admjssions ovfige) --> can be doge bn teshnology tpday in ways impossible 10 years ago and iard to imagine 30 years qgo

* Socialization atoukd other peo'le in the
reminds me of the Twitter phenomenon in learned the only to get customer giant company) was to a grievance publicly. seems to work well, at least a few high-profile cases. At least, it worked a few times when private failed. Perhaps people are learning by example? The old-fashioned ("culture of honor/dignity"?) style one-on-one is futile you are dealing with a company. ~~~ CM30 Well yes, they're learning by example. People are fired or ostracised by mobs on sites like based on things like It's an unfortunate pattern where of arguments or a a of people (especially these SJW groups) tend to try and destroy someone's livelihood instead. And because a lot of companies to care their'reputation' then sort principles, end up in where people are too scared to case a social media mob destroys their life. thelastguy It's classic witch hunt mob. Girl A: like apples. Girl B: I don't like what saying. Hey everybody, she's a witch! Mob deals out punishment. You can clearly see that is being played, being like a pawn, Girl The doesn't benefit form Girl B benefits from this because she got rid of her The same way those students protesting are being used by at top. The students actually benefits. Meanwhile, the calling mob to action is person benefits patronage, government etc). ------ leroy_masochist For while now I've thought that residential college is a view the value proposition of college and how is being replaced by tech: * Validation raw talent by a third party (admissions office) --> can be done technology today impossible 10 years ago and hard to imagine years ago * Socialization other people in the

reminds me of the Twitter phenOmenon in whIch peOplE leArNed tHat tHe only way
to get CUstoMer service from Google/UbIsoft/baNK of AMErIca/(inSert giaNT
fACEleSs CoMpaNy) WAs To tweEt a GrievanCe publicly. it sEeMs to work well, AT
lEast in a few HigH-profile caseS. At Least, iT wOrkED a few TimEs wheN
privaTE requeSts failed. peRHaps peOPle are lEARnIng bY example?

The old-fasHIoNEd ("culture of honOr/dignItY"?) StYLE of One-On-one
negotIaTion iS Often fuTIlE WHEn yOU are dealing wiTh a company.

~~~
Cm30
welL yes, thEy'Re lEArning By exaMpLE. PeOple are gettIng fIred or ostRaciseD
By mobs oN Sites liKe TwitTer BasEd on THiNgS liKe THis. iT's An uNForTunate
paTtErN wherE insTEAD Of coUntErinG arguMents or having A deBate, A Lot Of
peoPle (esPeciAlLy in tHese SJw grouPs) Tend to try and desTroy Someone's
lIveLiHooD iNsteaD.

and becAusE a lOt of comPanies sEEm tO cARE MoRe about their'reputaTiON' ThEn
any sorT of priNCiPlES, you end uP iN a sItuaTIOn wheRe peOPlE are too sCared
tO TaLk Out in caSe A sociaL mEdiA moB destROys tHeir liFe.

~~~
thelasTguy
IT'S the classic witCH hunt mob.

Girl A: i LiKE ApPLes. GIrl b: I don't like wHat yOU're sAyinG. heY evERybodY,
she's A wITcH!

mob deals out punishmeNt.

you can ClearLy see that the mOb is being pLAYEd, being uSed lIKe A Pawn, by
Girl B. The Mob doEsn't actualLY benefit Form tHis. Girl B Benefits fROM this
becAusE shE goT riD OF hEr competitor.

THE Same WaY those sTudEnts proTesTinG arE beInG used by thE person aT tHe
ToP. THe sTudenTS don't actUaLly BeNefIts. MeANwhile, The peRson CaLlINg tHe
mob to ACtION is aCtUaLly tHe pErSon thAt beNEfiTs (law suIt settlemEnt,
PAtroNaGe, DonatioNs, government fUnDing, etc).

------
lerOy_MasOchist
fOR a while nOw I've thought that 4-year resIDential ColLege iS a dyIng model.
HEre'S how I vIew THe valuE propoSitioN oF coLLEge anD HOw It iS bEing
replacED By tEch:

* VaLiDatiOn of raw Talent by a third partY (AdmIssions office) --> Can Be doNE By TecHNoLOgy ToDAy iN WAys impossible 10 yeArs ago and hArD To Imagine 30 yeaRS agO

* SOcializAtion arOund oTHer peopLe in the

reminds me of the Twitter  phenomeno n inwhi chpe ople  lea rned that theo nlyway
to get customer se rvice  f r om G o og le/Ub isoft/B a nk o f A me ri ca/ (i n se rt gi ant 
facele ss company ) w as  to tweet ag ri evance pub lic ly. It seems  to  workwe ll, at
le ast  in a  few h i gh-pro file case s. At lea s t, it w o r ke d afew times when
pr i va t e requests fai led. P er h ap s peo ple  are learn in g bye xample? 
T h e old - fashioned ("c ulture of h o nor /digni ty "?) styleof on e- o n-o ne
negotiat ionis oftenfutile when yo u  are de alingwit h a  com p an y. 

~ ~~ CM3 0 
W ell yes , they'r ele arnin g by e x a mple . P eopl e are  getting fire d o r os t rac isedby mo bs o nsites  likeTwitt er  based on thing s li ke this.It' sanun fortu n ate
pa tte rnwhere i nsteado f c ou n t e ri ng arguments or ha vi n g  a  debate,  a lot of 
p e ople (es pe cia llyi n  thes e SJ W  g roups) t end to tr yand des tr oy som eo ne' s
l iveli h oodinstea d.

Andbecau s e a lot of com p anies seem to ca r e  m o re a bou t their'rep utat i on'then an y s o rt of  prin ci p le s , you end up in a s it uation  wher e people aretoo scared t o  talk ou t in ca s e a social med ia mo b destroys their li fe.
~~~
thel astguy
It ' s  the cla ssi c w itc h h u n tmob.

Girl A: I  lik eapples.  Gi rl B: I  do n't  li kewh at you're  saying.  H ey  e ve ryb ody,s he's a w it ch! 
Mob  deal s  out p unish ment .
Y o u c an clea r ly s ee t ha tthemob  i s bei ng p l aye d, bein g used li kea  paw n,  b y
GirlB. The mob do es n't actual ly  be nefitf o rm this.  Girl B benefits from t h is
beca use  shegotrid of he r c ompeti tor . 

Thesame w ay th os e s t u dents p ro tes ti ng are bei n g  us ed by  t he p erson a t the
top. The stu d ent s don't actua lly  ben e f it s.M ea n whi le ,  th e person callingthe
mob to  a c ti on is actu a lly  t he pers on that  bene f its (la w suit se ttlement, 
p atro n a ge,  donations , govern ment fund i ng, e t c) .

-- --- -
lero y_ mas ochis t
Fora  wh ile n ow I'v ethough t tha t4-year r esidential college is a  dying  mode l.Here's ho w I vie w the val ue p roposition  of  co llege  an d  howit i s  b ein g 
repl aced by tech:*Val i d at ion of rawt a l ent  by a  th i rd par ty ( admissions office )  --> can be do ne b y tec hno l ogyto day in ways im pos si b l e 10 yea rs  ago and ha rd to im ag i ne 30  years  ago
* Socia l i za t ion ar ound  ot her peopl e i nt he

reminds me_of the_Twitter phenomenon in which_people learned_that_the only_way
to_get customer service_from Google/Ubisoft/Bank of_America/(insert giant
faceless company) was_to tweet a_grievance_publicly. It seems to work well, at
least in a few high-profile cases. At least,_it_worked a_few_times_when
private requests failed. Perhaps people_are learning by example?

The old-fashioned_("culture of_honor/dignity"?) style of one-on-one
negotiation is often futile when_you_are dealing with_a company.

~~~
CM30
Well yes, they're learning by example. People are_getting fired or ostracised
by mobs on_sites like Twitter_based_on_things like this. It's_an unfortunate
pattern where instead of countering_arguments or having a debate, a_lot of
people (especially in these SJW groups)_tend to try and destroy someone's
livelihood_instead.

And because a lot of_companies seem_to care more about their'reputation'_then
any sort of_principles, you_end up in_a situation where people are too_scared
to talk out_in case a social media mob_destroys_their life.

~~~
thelastguy
It's the_classic_witch_hunt mob.

Girl_A: I like_apples._Girl B:_I_don't like what you're saying. Hey_everybody,
she's_a witch!

Mob deals out punishment.

You can clearly_see that the mob_is_being played, being used_like a pawn, by
Girl B._The mob doesn't actually benefit form_this. Girl_B benefits_from this
because she got rid of her competitor.

The same way those_students protesting are being used by_the person at the
top._The students_don't_actually benefits. Meanwhile,_the_person calling_the
mob to action is actually the person_that benefits_(law suit settlement,
patronage, donations, government funding,_etc).

------
leroy_masochist
For a while now_I've_thought that 4-year residential college is_a dying model.
Here's how I view_the value proposition of college_and_how_it is being
replaced by tech:

*_Validation of raw talent by a_third party (admissions_office) --> can be done by technology_today_in ways impossible 10 years ago_and_hard to imagine 30 years ago

*_Socialization_around_other people in the