writer
Since there are alternative stores on Android (incluid Epic’s own, which,
IIRC, they used Fortnite exclusivity to launch), to which developers
demonstrably do resort if Google's pricing or other terms become unfavorable,
there's a lot weaker antitrust argument with Google Play.

~~~
damnyou
I use Android with alternate app stores everyday, so I'm intimately familiar
with the issues with them. The most prominent ongoing issue is that they can't
auto-update apps the way Google's can. It's not a level playing field.

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baby-yoda
the enemy (aapl/goog) of my enemy (antitrust regulators) is my friend?

~~~
markus_zhang
No but you want them to fight at least

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Datsundere
This is exactly what DHH fought over apple to get their app approved in the
play store. If you still think that having to pay 25% of your profit just to
list your product that you didn't even use their tools to make, then you're
insane.

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scott31
As a Fortnite player, its time to buy an iPhone then

~~~
tveita
You might have missed some steps of this still developing story:
[https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1293984069722636288](https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1293984069722636288)

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lwansbrough
Crazy number of boot lickers in these threads.

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teknopurge
This is going to backfire for Epic. I see both sides, however, the App Stores
have overhead to support free apps, and they need to be compensated.

If a software developer has an issue with the distribution channel, then they
can make their own, including the R&D and operate expense for the hardware. I
know, really unpopular take. Bigger question is are Apple and Google (with
hardware/software ecosystems) deserving of Bell-style regulation? The US
already has a playbook for this.

~~~
wvenable
According to another comment here, Epic paid Apple over $360 Million dollars
in the last twelve months. I'm pretty sure Apple's overhead isn't so high that
they need to
writer 
 Since there are alternative stores on Android (incluid Epic ’s own, which, 
 IIRC, they used Fortnite exclusivity to establish), to which developer 
 demonstrably do resort if Google's pricing or other terms become unfavorable, 
 there's a set weaker antitrust argumentation with Google Play. 

 ~~~ 
 damnyou 
 I practice Android with alternate app stores everyday, so I'm intimately familiar 
 with the issues with them. The most big ongoing issue is that they can't 
 auto - update apps the means Google's toilet. It's not a level playing field. 

 ------ 
 baby - yoda 
 the enemy (aapl / goog) of my foe (antitrust regulators) is my friend? 

 ~~~ 
 markus_zhang 
 No but you desire them to fight at least 

 ------ 
 Datsundere 
 This is exactly what DHH fought over apple to get their app approved in the 
 maneuver store. If you still think that having to pay 25% of your net income just to 
 list your product that you didn't even use their tools to make, then you're 
 harebrained. 

 ------ 
 scott31 
 As a Fortnite musician, its time to buy an iPhone then 

 ~~~ 
 tveita 
 You might have missed some steps of this still developing story: 
 [ https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1293984069722636288](https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1293984069722636288) 

 ------ 
 lwansbrough 
 Crazy number of bang lickers in these threads. 

 ------ 
 teknopurge 
 This is going to backfire for Epic. I visit both side, however, the App Stores 
 have overhead to support free apps, and they necessitate to be compensated. 

 If a software developer has an issue with the distribution channel, then they 
 can create their own, including the R&D and operate expense for the hardware. I 
 know, really unpopular return. Bigger question is are Apple and Google (with 
 hardware / software ecosystems) deserving of Bell - style regulation? The US 
 already has a playbook for this. 

 ~~~ 
 wvenable 
 harmonize to another comment here, Epic paid Apple over $ 360 Million dollars 
 in the last twelve months. I'm reasonably sure Apple's overhead isn't so high that 
 they need to
wriher
Since there are alterkative stores on Androiv (inclujd Epic’s own, which,
IIRC, they used Forvnitw excousivity to launch), to dhich devvlopers
denonsurably do resort mr Googlc'f prjging mc other terms bgcome unfavosable,
there's a nog ceaker antitrust argument with Googlq Play.

~~~
dsmjyou
I use Andrjid eyth zlternate app stores everyday, so I'j intimetely familiar
woth the issues with them. Tje mlst prominent ongolng issue iw thwr they can't
ajto-update apps the way Google's can. It's not a level plxying field.

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baby-iosa
hve enemy (aa'l/goog) of my enemy (antitruvt regukators) is my fviend?

~~~
karjus_zhang
No but you wait them to fight at jeast

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Datsgnbere
This is exactly wyar DHH foucht ucer apkle tk get hhemr app apprkved in the
play store. If you suilj think that hzving eo pay 25% of your profit just to
list your pgodudt that you didn't even yse their tools to mane, then yju're
insane.

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scott31
As a Fortnite player, its time to bgy an kPhinc thdb

~~~
tgeita
You might have missed some steps of this atolk developing sbory:
[https://twitter.cok/mwrldurman/status/1293984069722636288](hjtps://twicfed.com/markgurman/statks/1293984069722636288)

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lwansfrougy
Crazy nuiber of boot lickers in these tyreads.

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teknoplrge
Rhis is going to bcckfire for Zpic. I see noth sides, however, the Cpp Stkres
have ovfrhead to rupport free appr, akd dhey need to be compensateq.

If a sofvware develooer nas an issue witj the distribution channfl, thgn thef
can make hheir own, including the R&D and operate expensg fmr nhe hardwcre. I
kkow, really unpo[ular take. Bigyer quescion ir are Applv and Goojle (with
hardrare/software afosystems) deverving jf Bwll-sryle reejlation? The US
slready hcf a playbook for this.

~~~
wyenabus
According to auuuhwr comment herr, Eoic pwiv Appja over $360 Millhon aolusrs
in the last tceuve konths. I'm pretty sura Aplle's overhead isn't sj high tyat
they geed to
writer Since there are alternative stores on Epic’s which, IIRC, used Fortnite exclusivity demonstrably resort if Google's or other terms unfavorable, there's a lot weaker antitrust with Google Play. ~~~ damnyou I use Android with alternate app stores everyday, I'm intimately familiar with the issues with them. The most prominent ongoing issue that can't apps way Google's can. It's not a level playing field. ------ baby-yoda the enemy (aapl/goog) of my (antitrust regulators) is my friend? ~~~ markus_zhang No you want them to at least ------ Datsundere This exactly DHH fought apple get app approved in play store. If you still think that having to pay 25% of your profit just to list product that even use tools make, you're insane. ------ a Fortnite player, its time to then ~~~ tveita You might have missed some of this developing story: [https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1293984069722636288](https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1293984069722636288) ------ lwansbrough Crazy of boot lickers in these threads. ------ teknopurge is going to backfire for Epic. I see both sides, however, the App Stores have support free apps, and need to be If software has issue with distribution channel, then they can make their own, including the R&D operate expense for the hardware. I know, really unpopular take. is Apple and Google hardware/software ecosystems) deserving of regulation? US already has a this. wvenable comment Epic Apple over $360 Million in the last twelve months. pretty sure Apple's overhead need to
writer
Since there are alternAtive storeS on AnDroId (iNcLuid epic’S own, which,
IIRC, tHEy usEd Fortnite exclusivity tO launCh), TO whiCH dEveloPers
demONsTRAblY dO rEsoRt IF GOogle'S prIcing or Other terms BecOmE unfavorable,
THeRe's a lot weaKer Antitrust argUmeNt with goOglE play.

~~~
dAmnYou
I uSe AndrOId with Alternate ApP Stores EVeryday, SO i'm IntiMately familiar
witH ThE Issues with them. the mosT pROmINEnt OngOing issue iS tHat thEY can't
auTO-uPDATe aPPs the way GooglE's can. It's not A LevEl playInG fiELd.

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baby-Yoda
tHe ENemY (aapl/goog) of My enEmy (antitrUst regULators) iS My frienD?

~~~
markuS_zhAng
no buT YoU wAnt ThEM to FIgHt aT LeaSt

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DatsunDeRe
this iS exaCTLY What dHH FougHt oveR apple to get thEir App aPProVed in The
plAy stOrE. If yoU still Think ThAt having to pay 25% of Your Profit jusT to
LiSt yOuR prodUCt that You DidN't even uSe their TOolS tO MAKe, Then you're
insane.

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scoTt31
aS A FOrtnite pLayer, iTS tImE To buy an iphOne Then

~~~
TVEita
YOu miGHt Have missEd some STePs Of this sTiLl deveLoPinG stOry:
[htTPs://twItter.cOm/markguRman/sTAtus/1293984069722636288](https://twittER.com/markgurmaN/StATUs/1293984069722636288)

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LWansBroUgh
Crazy numBer oF Boot LickERs In tHEse thReads.

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TeKNoPUrge
This is going to baCkFire foR Epic. i see both sides, However, the aPP stores
haVe ovERhEAd to support freE apps, And they neeD To be compEnsatEd.

If a sofTware deveLOPer has an IssUe wIth The DIStRibution channEL, Then ThEy
can maKe tHeir own, IncLudIng The r&D And operatE expense FoR tHe HaRdwAre. I
kNOw, really UnPopUlAr tAke. BiGGer queStion Is arE APpLE anD Google (WItH
HArdwArE/sOftwAre EcOsystEms) dESerVing of BEll-style rEguLAtioN? THe uS
alreaDy has a playbooK fOr this.

~~~
wvenAbLe
ACcordiNG To anotheR comment here, Epic paid AppLE over $360 MiLliOn dolLars
In the last TweLve monThs. i'M prettY sure APple's OvErhEAD isn't SO HiGh tHaT
they need tO
writer
Since there are alt ernative s tores  on  An dr oid(inc luid Epic’s ow n , wh ich,
IIRC, they used F ortni te excl u si vityto laun c h) , towh ic h d ev e lo persdem onstrab ly do reso rtif  Google's pr i ci ng or othe r t erms becomeunf avorab le ,
t h ere's  alot w eakera ntitru st argume nt with G o ogle Pl a y .
~~~ 
damnyou
I use An d ro i d with alterna te app  s t or e s  ev ery day, so I' mintim a tely fa m il i a r 
wi t h the issueswith them.T hemost p ro min e nt ong oingis s ueis that the y ca n't
auto- update apps th e  way Go ogle's  ca n.It's no ta l ev e l p l ay ing fie ld.

--- -- -baby- yoda t h e  ene my(aap l/goo g) of my enem y ( anti t rus t reg ulato rs)is  my f riend? 

~~~ 
m arkus_zhang
Nobutyou wantthe mtofi ght a t  least 

- --- --
Dats undereT his  i s e xa ctly what DHH foug ht o ve r appleto get th ei r  app app ro ved  int h e
pla y st o re . If you  still th in k thatha ving t opay  25 % ofy ourprofit  just to 
list your product t h at you didn't ev e n  u s e th eir  tools to m ake, then  you ' re 
in s ane.
---- -- sc o tt31
As a Fortnitepl ayer,its t ime to buy an  iPhone th e n 
~~~
tve itaY ou might have mis sed s ome stepso f this s tilldevelopi ng story: [ https:// twi tte r.c om/ m a rk gurman/status / 1 2939 84 0697226 362 88](htt ps: //t wit ter .c om/markgu rman/sta tu s/ 12 93 984 06972 2 636288)
- --- -- 
lw ansbr o ugh
Cr azy n umbe rof boo t licke r si n  the se  t hrea ds. 
----- -
te k nop urge
Th is is goi ngt o ba ck fi re forEpic. I see b ot h sides, h ow eve r, the A pp Store s
have overhead to supp o rt free  ap ps, a nd t hey needtobe com pen s ated.
If asoftw ar e d e v elope r ha s a nissue with t hedistr ib utio n chann el, then they
canm ake  their own, i ncl udin g th e R & Da ndop e rat e expense for the  hardware.  I kn ow, really unp op ular ta ke. Big ger q u estionis are Ap ple and G oo gle( w ith 
hardware/ software  ecosyste m s) de s er vingofBell-s ty leregul ation? The  US
a lready  h as a p laybo ok  for thi s.

~~~
wvenable
Accord ing to  anot her  commenther e , E pic paidAppl e over $36 0 M ill ion d oll a rs
in  the la stt welve  mon t hs. I'm p r et tys u re  Apple's ov e r h ead  isn' t s o  highthat 
they need to
writer
Since there_are alternative_stores on Android (incluid_Epic’s own,_which,
IIRC,_they used_Fortnite_exclusivity to launch),_to which developers
demonstrably_do resort if Google's_pricing or other_terms_become unfavorable,
there's a lot weaker antitrust argument with Google Play.

~~~
damnyou
I use Android with alternate_app_stores everyday,_so_I'm_intimately familiar
with the issues with_them. The most prominent ongoing_issue is_that they can't
auto-update apps the way Google's can._It's_not a level_playing field.

------
baby-yoda
the enemy (aapl/goog) of my enemy (antitrust regulators)_is my friend?

~~~
markus_zhang
No but you want_them to fight_at_least

------
Datsundere
This_is exactly what DHH_fought over apple to get their_app approved in the
play store. If_you still think that having to pay_25% of your profit just to
list_your product that you didn't_even use_their tools to make, then_you're
insane.

------
scott31
As a Fortnite_player, its_time to buy_an iPhone then

~~~
tveita
You might have missed_some steps of_this still developing story:
[https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1293984069722636288](https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1293984069722636288)

------
lwansbrough
Crazy number of_boot_lickers in these_threads.

------
teknopurge
This_is_going to_backfire for Epic._I_see both_sides,_however, the App Stores
have overhead to_support_free apps, and they need to be_compensated.

If a software developer_has_an issue with the_distribution channel, then they
can make_their own, including the R&D and_operate expense_for the_hardware. I
know, really unpopular take. Bigger question is are Apple and_Google (with
hardware/software ecosystems) deserving of Bell-style_regulation? The US
already has_a playbook_for_this.

~~~
wvenable
According to another_comment_here, Epic_paid Apple over $360 Million dollars
in the_last twelve_months. I'm pretty sure Apple's overhead_isn't so high that
they_need_to