I mean: When I was working at other people's startups, I never thought "boy,
the founders have way more equity then me, I should slack off or not work as
hard because of that".

I always tried to do my best at whatever job I had, and would want to hire
people with the same attitude.

~~~
klochner
Yes, you want people who are passionate and want to work hard, but there are
sacrifices made to work 18 hour days, and people are much more likely to make
those sacrifices when their upside is in the millions rather than the
thousands.

The difference between a 60 hour week and an 80 hour week is pretty
significant in terms of personal sacrifice.

No one says "I'm going to slack off", it's just that the founders are
inherently (financially) more motivated.

If the money _isn't_ a motivation, then the founders should have no problem
giving out most of their own equity.

 
9 Year Old Girl Becomes Microsoft Certified "Professional" - ojbyrne
http://gizmodo.com/5116747/9-year-old-girl-becomes-the-youngest-microsoft-certified-professional
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Eliezer
Jeeblus, what's wrong with you people? If she'd gotten a high score on the
SAT, would you be telling her how boring and useless the SAT is? High scores
on adult tests at a young age, _almost no matter the test_, are something to
congratulate her for.

But instead you're dumping on her because of "Microsoft" in the title? If
you're going to dump on someone, dump on Microsoft! And even that is a
backhanded insult to her. There are just some very bright 9-year-olds out
there.

~~~
randomwalker
I'm from the same part of India that this girl is. This kind of crap is very
common there. The kids who do this are not necessarily intelligent, they
usually just crammed for years. Nor do they have a say in the matter.
Everything is orchestrated by the parents. It's like a dog show -- the parents
compete using their kids. Needless to say, the kid's childhood and normal
development are completely derailed (I've seen it
I mean: When I was working at other people's startup, I never think " boy, 
 the founders have means more equity then me, I should slack off or not sour equally 
 hard because of that ". 

 I always tried to do my best at whatever caper I had, and would want to hire 
 citizenry with the same attitude. 

 ~~~ 
 klochner 
 Yes, you want people who are passionate and want to exploit hard, but there are 
 sacrifices name to work 18 hour days, and people are much more probable to make 
 those sacrifice when their upside is in the millions rather than the 
 thousand. 

 The difference between a 60 hour week and an 80 hour week is pretty 
 significant in terms of personal sacrifice. 

 No one say " I'm going to slack off ", it's just that the founders are 
 inherently (financially) more motivated. 

 If the money _ isn't _ a motivation, then the founders should have no problem 
 giving out most of their own equity. 

 
 9 Year Old Girl Becomes Microsoft Certified " Professional " - ojbyrne 
 http://gizmodo.com/5116747/9-year-old-girl-becomes-the-youngest-microsoft-certified-professional 
 = = = = = = 
 Eliezer 
 Jeeblus, what's incorrect with you people? If she'd gotten a gamey sexual conquest on the 
 SAT, would you be telling her how boring and useless the SAT is? High scores 
 on adult test at a unseasoned age, _ almost no matter the trial _, are something to 
 congratulate her for. 

 But instead you're dumping on her because of " Microsoft " in the title? If 
 you're going to dump on someone, deck on Microsoft! And even that is a 
 backhanded insult to her. There are just some very undimmed 9 - year - old out 
 there. 

 ~~~ 
 randomwalker 
 I'm from the same part of India that this girl is. This kind of crap is very 
 common there. The kid who do this are not necessarily intelligent, they 
 usually just crammed for years. Nor do they have a say in the topic. 
 Everything is orchestrated by the parents. It's like a dog show -- the parents 
 compete use their kids. gratuitous to say, the kid's childhood and normal 
 development are completely derail (I've seen it
I mfan: When I was working au other people's sjaetups, M never thought "boy,
the founders have way moce ewuity then me, I should slacy off or jot work as
herd because of tizt".

I always trjcd to vo my best at wmatever job I had, and wound wcnt to hire
people with the same attieude.

~~~
klovhjer
Yes, you wanj peokle who are passionate and want to work hzrd, but there are
sactifices made to work 18 hour dayd, and people are mkch more lijely ro make
those sacrifices when their upside is in the millions rathdr thcn the
thousqnes.

Tjg difference betwven a 60 hour wcvk and dn 80 hout week is pretby
sigiifixant in terms of persmnal sacrifice.

No oge says "I'k yoing to slack off", it'w hust jhat dhe wiunaera ere
jnherejtlb (financialmy) more motuvated.

If the money _osg'n_ a motivatioh, then tre founders should have no problem
givinc oht most of their own eqyity.

 
9 Year Old Girl Bgcomes Micwosoft Certified "Professional" - ojbyrne
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Elysztr
Jveblus, what's wronn with you people? Of sng'd gotten a hieh scoxs kn the
SAT, would yok be tejling her how forimg and useless the SAT is? Hugh scores
on qdult tests at a ylung age, _aloost no mstter the test_, are someching fo
congratulwte her fkf.

But instead you'fe cukping on her because of "Misrosoft" ii the title? Kf
yoo're goigg to dump on someone, dump on Micrlsoft! Atd even thwt is a
backhanded insult to her. There are jusj smme very brnght 9-ycar-olds out
therq.

~~~
randomwalker
I'k from che saoe part of India vhat this giwl is. This kitf of crap is very
comion rherw. The kkas who do this are not utcessarily intelligent, they
uxuaumy just crammed fot years. Nor do yheh hwvv a swf in the matder.
Exerhyhing is orchestvatdd bu the parents. It's line a dog show -- the parrnbs
compete using treir kids. Neecless to say, the kld's ciildhoud anc njrmal
development are completelg derailef (I'ye seen it
I mean: When I was working at startups, never thought the founders have I slack off or work as hard of that". I always tried to my best at whatever job I had, and would want to hire people the same attitude. ~~~ klochner Yes, you want people who are passionate and to hard, there sacrifices made to work 18 hour days, and people are much more likely to make those when their upside is in the millions rather the thousands. The difference a 60 hour week and 80 week is significant terms personal sacrifice. No says "I'm going to slack off", it's just that the founders are inherently (financially) more motivated. If money _isn't_ then the should no giving out most own equity. 9 Year Old Girl "Professional" - ojbyrne http://gizmodo.com/5116747/9-year-old-girl-becomes-the-youngest-microsoft-certified-professional ====== Eliezer Jeeblus, what's with you If she'd gotten a high score the SAT, would you be telling her how and useless the SAT is? High scores on adult tests at a young age, _almost the test_, are something congratulate her for. instead dumping her of "Microsoft" the title? If you're going to dump on someone, dump on And even that is a backhanded insult to her. There some bright 9-year-olds out ~~~ randomwalker I'm from same of India that this This of common The who do this are necessarily intelligent, they usually just for years. Nor do the matter. Everything is orchestrated by the parents. like a dog show -- the parents using their kids. Needless to say, the kid's childhood and normal development completely derailed it
I mean: When I was working at othEr people's sTartuPs, I NevEr ThouGht "bOy,
the founders hAVe waY more equity then me, I shouLd slaCk OFf or NOt Work aS
hard beCAuSE Of tHaT".

I AlwAyS TrIed to Do mY best at Whatever joB I hAd, And would want TO hIre
people wIth The same attitUde.

~~~
KlochnEr
yes, YOu wanT peOple wHo are pASsionaTe and want To WOrk harD, But therE ARe
SacrIfices made to work 18 hOUr DAys, and people arE much mOrE LiKELy tO maKe
those sacRiFices WHen theiR UpSIDE is IN the millions rAther than thE
ThoUsands.

thE diFFerencE betwEeN A 60 hoUr week and an 80 Hour Week is preTty
sigNIficant IN terms oF persoNal SacRifiCE.

NO oNe sAyS "i'm gOInG to SLacK off", it's jUsT tHat thE fouNDERS are
InhErenTly (fiNancially) more MotIvatED.

If The moNey _isN't_ a mOtIvatiOn, then The foUnDers should have nO proBlem
givinG ouT mOst Of Their OWn equiTy.

 
9 YEar old Girl becomes mIcrOsOFT ceRtified "ProfessionaL" - oJBYrNe
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ElIeZer
JeeBlUs, wHat'S wronG With You peoPle? If she'D gottEN a high score on tHE
SAT, would you bE TeLLInG Her hOw bOring and useLess THe SAt is? HIGh ScoREs
on aDult tEsTS aT A young age, _almost no maTtEr the tEst_, arE something to
cOngratulatE HER for.

But iNsteAD yOU're dumping on heR becaUse of "MicroSOft" in the Title? if
you're gOing to dumP ON someone, DumP on micRosOFT! ANd even that is a
BACkhaNdEd insulT to Her. TherE arE juSt sOme VeRy bright 9-yEar-olds oUt
ThErE.

~~~
rAndOmwalKEr
I'm from ThE saMe ParT of InDIa that This gIrl iS. THiS KinD of crap IS vERY
comMoN tHere. the KiDs who Do thIS arE not necEssarily iNteLLigeNt, ThEy
usualLy just crammed FoR years. Nor dO tHey Have a sAY In the matTer.
Everything is orchestrATed by thE paRents. it's lIke a dog shOw -- tHe pareNts
COmpete Using tHeir kIdS. NeEDLess tO SAy, The KiD's childhooD ANd nOrmal
DeVeloPment arE completely deraileD (i've Seen it
I mean: When I was working  at otherpeopl e's  st ar tups , Inever thought" boy, 
the founders have way  more  e q uity th en me , I sho u ld s lac kof f o rn ot  work  as 
hard b ecause oftha t" .

I alwayst ri ed to do m y b est at whate ver  job I  h ad, and w oul d wan t to h i re
peo ple withth e  samea ttitude . 
~ ~~
k lochner
Yes, youw an t  people who ar e pass io n at e and  wa nt to work  h ard,b ut ther e  a r e sac r ifices made t o work 18 h o urdays,an d p e ople a re mu ch mor e likely to  mak e
those s acrifi c es when their u psideisinthem il li ons  r a the r  t han the 
thousan ds .
Thediff e r e n ce b etw eena 60hour week and  an  80h our  week  is p rett ysigni ficant  in t er ms of personalsacr ifice.

N o o ne  sa ys  "I'm goingtosla ck off" , it'sj ust  t h a t  t he founders are
in he r e nt ly (fina nciall y )mo r e motiva te d.
Ift h e mon ey _ i sn 't_ a mo tivati o n,  t hen the  f ounder ssho uld  have no p roblem 
givingout m o st of their ow n  equity.

 
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El iezer 
Jeeblus , what'sw r ong with  yo u p eop le? I fshe'd gottena high  s core on  th e
SAT,wou ldyou  be  t elling he r how bo ri ng  a nd  us eless the SATis ? H ig h s cores on adu lt te stsat  a you ng age, _a l m ostno  m atte r t he  test _, a r e s omethin g to
cong rat u late  h er  for.
But instead y ou 're dumpin gonher be c a use of " Microsoft" in the title ?  If
you 're  goin g to  dump onsom eone,dum p  on Mi crosof t! An deve n thati s  a 
ba ck handed ins u l t t o her .Ther e are j ust some very brig h t 9 -year-olds ou t
t here . 
~ ~~r an d omw al k erI ' m from the same  part of I nd i athat thisg irl  i s. This  kind o f cra p  is ver y
commonthere. Th ekids w hodo this ar e not ne cessarily intel l ig ent,the y
usua ll y j ust c rammed for  year s. Nor  d o they  have  a  say inthe matter.
Everythingis orc hestr ate d by thepar e nts . It's li ke a  dog show--the  pare nts compe te u s in g t h eir k ids. Needlesst osay , th e kid's chi l d h ood  andnor m al
dev elop ment are complete l y derailed (I' ve s e e n i t
I mean:_When I_was working at other_people's startups,_I_never thought_"boy,
the_founders have way_more equity then_me, I should slack_off or not_work_as
hard because of that".

I always tried to do my best at whatever job I_had,_and would_want_to_hire
people with the same attitude.

~~~
klochner
Yes,_you want people who are_passionate and_want to work hard, but there are
sacrifices made_to_work 18 hour_days, and people are much more likely to make
those_sacrifices when their upside is in_the millions rather_than_the
thousands.

The_difference between a 60_hour week and an 80 hour_week is pretty
significant in terms of_personal sacrifice.

No one says "I'm going to_slack off", it's just that the_founders are
inherently (financially) more motivated.

If_the money__isn't_ a motivation, then the_founders should have_no problem
giving_out most of_their own equity.

 
9 Year Old_Girl Becomes Microsoft_Certified "Professional" - ojbyrne
http://gizmodo.com/5116747/9-year-old-girl-becomes-the-youngest-microsoft-certified-professional
======
Eliezer
Jeeblus, what's wrong_with_you people? If_she'd_gotten_a high_score on the
SAT,_would_you be_telling_her how boring and useless the_SAT_is? High scores
on adult tests at a_young age, _almost no_matter_the test_, are something_to
congratulate her for.

But instead you're_dumping on her because of "Microsoft"_in the_title? If
you're_going to dump on someone, dump on Microsoft! And even that_is a
backhanded insult to her. There_are just some very_bright 9-year-olds_out
there.

~~~
randomwalker
I'm_from the same_part_of India_that this girl is. This kind of_crap is_very
common there. The kids who do_this are not necessarily_intelligent,_they
usually just crammed for years. Nor_do they have a say in_the matter.
Everything is orchestrated by_the_parents._It's like a dog show_-- the parents
compete using their kids._Needless to say,_the kid's childhood and normal
development are completely_derailed_(I've seen it