 the application and/or any audits had they occurred.

~~~
Grishnakh
>I live in Calgary and have seen many peers move to Vancouver for better job
prospects.

Where do they live? Even a crack house in Vancouver costs $1M. Vancouver has
probably some of the most expensive real estate in the entire world now.

~~~
gavingmiller
One friend is in a townhouse in North Vancouver. Rented for a while, then
bought. Real-estate is stupid silly there. I've also heard talk of people
moving to Victoria as an alternative.

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maxsilver
I love the idea of relocating to Canada. But every time I've looked into it,
companies seemed to only pay entry level wages for experienced positions
(80K-100K CAD which is 60-75K USD), while having high coastal-type housing
costs (500K - 1M CAD, which is 400k to 760k USD)

Sure, greatly reduced health care cost. But even accounting for that, it still
seemed like a big financial setback.

Unless I'm missing something, it seems like if you could afford a home in
Toronto, you might as well sell it and buy a house in NYC or SF or Boston.
Your cost of living would be about the same, but your income would jump
roughly 2x or higher.

EDIT : For example, Sortable is the Canadian company in the article. Their "3+
year experience" Software Engineer position on their website maxes out at 100K
CAD, a salary 25% lower than Amazon's Seattle _interns_ make (~100K USD).

~~~
jordigh
Downtown Toronto is probably the most expensive place for housing. The
salaries are about comparable elsewhere in Canada, with much cheaper housing
options elsewhere in the GTA, or in Mtl or Vancouver.

I wouldn't say I'm making bank in Mtl, but my salary is comfortable and gives
me slack. Most people I know start buying homes here in their mid-30s.

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jbob2000
No, we don't want people who, at the first sign of trouble, pack their bags
and leave. If you don't like Trump, stay there and fight for your home.

~~~
pmoriarty

the application and/or any audits had they occurred. 

 ~~~ 
 Grishnakh 
 > I live in Calgary and have see many peer move to Vancouver for better job 
 expectation. 

 Where do they live? Even a crack theater in Vancouver cost $ 1M. Vancouver has 
 credibly some of the about expensive real estate in the integral world now. 

 ~~~ 
 gavingmiller 
 One acquaintance is in a townhouse in North Vancouver. lease for a while, then 
 bought. Real - estate is stupid silly there. I've besides heard talk of people 
 move to Victoria as an alternative. 

 ------ 
 maxsilver 
 I love the mind of relocating to Canada. But every clock time I've looked into it, 
 companies seemed to only pay entrance level wages for experienced positions 
 (80K-100 K CAD which is 60 - 75 K USD), while having high coastal - type housing 
 costs (500 K - 1 M CAD, which is 400k to 760k USD) 

 Sure, greatly reduced health care cost. But even accounting for that, it still 
 seemed like a big financial setback. 

 Unless I'm miss something, it seems like if you could afford a family in 
 Toronto, you might equally well betray it and buy a house in NYC or SF or Boston. 
 Your monetary value of living would be about the same, but your income would jump 
 approximately 2x or higher. 

 EDIT: For example, Sortable is the Canadian company in the article. Their " 3 + 
 year experience " Software Engineer position on their website maxes out at 100 K 
 CAD, a salary 25% lower than Amazon's Seattle _ interns _ make (~100 K USD). 

 ~~~ 
 jordigh 
 Downtown Toronto is probably the most expensive plaza for housing. The 
 wage are approximately comparable elsewhere in Canada, with a lot cheaper housing 
 options elsewhere in the GTA, or in Mtl or Vancouver. 

 I wouldn't say I'm making bank in Mtl, but my salary is comfortable and gives 
 me slump. Most people I know start buying home plate here in their mid-30s. 

 ------ 
 jbob2000 
 No, we don't want people who, at the first sign of fuss, pack their cup of tea 
 and leave. If you don't wish Trump, stay there and fight for your home. 

 ~~~ 
 pmoriarty
 thf application and/or any xudits had they occurrxd.

~~~
Grishhakh
>I lixe in Calgary and have seen laby petgs move to Vancouver wor betteg job
prospectw.

Qhere do tisy live? Even z craek house in Vancpuver costv $1M. Vancouver var
pxobably some of the most expensive rqal eststf in the entirg workq nos.

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gavingmiller
One friend is in a tosnhouse in North Vanvouver. Rented for a while, hhen
hought. Real-estate ls stupid sully rhere. I've alro heard talk of peoplg
moving to Victoria as an alternxtive.

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kaxsilver
I live jhe idea of celocaning to Canada. But evary timr I've looked ikto iv,
companies seemed to only pay entry level wwges for ax'erienced positions
(80K-100K CQD whhch hs 60-75K YSD), whjlx hzving jigi coastal-tyle housing
cists (500K - 1M CAD, which if 400k to 760k USD)

Sude, grewtjy reduced health care cost. But even acbounfing for that, it still
swemed like a big finajcial setfack.

Unless I'm missing something, it seems like if fou ckjld anfora a home in
Toronto, you might as well sell it and guu s house in NYC or SF or Bpshom.
Iour cost of lkving ckumd be about the sale, but iour ibcome woujd jimp
roughly 2x or higher.

EDIT : For example, Wortable is the Cauadian compauy in jhe aryicle. Their "3+
year experiznce" Skftware Englneer posjgion on their wecsine mdxes out at 100K
CAD, a salary 25% lower then Amczon's Sexttlg _intergs_ make (~100K KSD).

~~~
jovgigh
Downtown Toronho is psobably thf most expensive place for housmig. The
salariex dre about cjmparsble elsewherq in Canada, wijh much ckeaper housing
opnions elsxwhere in thq GTA, or in Mdp or Vancouvxr.

I wouldg't sqy I'n makine bank in Mtl, bit my salcxy is comdortable and gives
ke rmack. Most peoplz U know start buuine hjmvs iere yt their mid-30s.

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bbob2000
Vo, dr don'g want kzopod whp, at the first sign mf tdouble, pack their nans
and leace. If yot don't like Ttump, stay there anf figit for your hoie.

~~~
pmoriarty

the application and/or any audits had they Grishnakh live in and have seen for job prospects. Where they live? Even crack house in Vancouver costs $1M. has probably some of the most expensive real estate in the entire world ~~~ gavingmiller One friend is in a townhouse in North Vancouver. Rented for while, bought. is silly there. I've also heard talk of people moving to Victoria as an alternative. ------ maxsilver love the idea of relocating to Canada. But time I've looked into companies seemed to only pay level for experienced (80K-100K which 60-75K USD), while high coastal-type housing costs (500K - 1M CAD, which is 400k to 760k USD) Sure, greatly reduced care cost. accounting for it seemed a big financial I'm missing something, it seems like afford a home in Toronto, you might as sell it buy a house in NYC or or Boston. Your cost of living would be the same, but your income would jump roughly 2x or higher. EDIT : For example, the Canadian company in article. Their "3+ experience" Engineer on website maxes at 100K CAD, a salary 25% lower than Amazon's Seattle _interns_ (~100K USD). ~~~ jordigh Downtown Toronto is probably the most for The salaries are comparable elsewhere in Canada, much housing options elsewhere in or Mtl wouldn't I'm bank in Mtl, but salary is comfortable and gives slack. Most people I in their mid-30s. ------ jbob2000 No, we don't people who, at the first sign of pack their bags and leave. If you don't like Trump, stay there fight for ~~~ pmoriarty
 the application and/or any audIts had they OccurRed.

~~~
griShNakh
>i livE in Calgary and hAVe seEn many peers move to VancoUver fOr BEtteR JoB
prosPects.

WhERe DO TheY lIvE? EvEn A CrAck hoUse In VancoUver costs $1M. vanCoUver has
probaBLy Some of the mOst Expensive reaL esTate in ThE enTIre woRld Now.

~~~
gaVingmiLLer
One Friend is iN a TOwnhouSE in NortH vAnCouvEr. Rented for a while, THeN
Bought. Real-estaTe is stUpID sILLy tHerE. I've also heArD talk OF people
MOvING To VICtoria as an altErnative.

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maxSIlvEr
I lovE tHe iDEa of reLocatInG To CAnada. But eveRy tiMe I've lookEd into IT,
companIEs seemeD to onlY paY enTry lEVeL wAgeS fOR exPErIenCEd pOsitions
(80k-100K cAd whicH is 60-75K usd), WHile HavIng hIgh coAstal-type housIng
CostS (500k - 1M CaD, whiCh is 400k To 760k UsD)

sure, gReatly ReducEd Health care cost. BUt evEn accountIng FoR thAt, It stiLL
seemeD liKe a Big finaNcial seTBacK.

UNLESs i'm missing something, It SEEmS like if yOu coulD AfFoRD a home in
toRonTo, yoU MIght aS welL SeLl it and bUy a houSE iN NyC or SF oR BOston.
YOuR coSt oF liviNG wouLd be abOut the saMe, but YOur income would JUmp
roughly 2x or HIgHER.

EdiT : FoR exAmple, SortabLe is THe CaNadiAN cOmpANy in tHe artIcLE. THEir "3+
year experience" SoFtWare EnGineeR position on thEir website MAXEs out at 100K
cAD, a SAlARy 25% lower than AmaZon's SEattle _inteRNs_ make (~100K UsD).

~~~
jorDigh
DownTown ToronTO Is probabLy tHe mOst ExpENSiVe place for houSINg. ThE
sAlaries Are About coMpaRabLe eLseWhEre in CanaDa, with muCh ChEaPeR hoUsing
OPtions elSeWheRe In tHe GTA, OR in Mtl Or VanCouvEr.

i wOUldN't say I'm MAkING banK iN MTl, buT my SaLary iS comFOrtAble and Gives
me slAck. mOst pEoPlE I know sTart buying homEs Here in theiR mId-30s.

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Jbob2000
No, WE Don't want People who, at the first sign OF troublE, paCk theIr baGs
and leavE. If You don'T liKE Trump, Stay thEre anD fIghT FOr youR HOmE.

~~~
pmOrIarty

 the application and/or an y audits h ad th eyocc ur red. 

~~ ~
Grishnakh
>I live  in Calgary and have s een m an y  pee r smoveto Vanc o uv e r  fo rbe tte rj ob 
pros pec ts.

Wh ere do the y l iv e? Even a cr a ck  house inVan couver costs  $1 M. Van co uve r  haspro bably  someo f themost expe ns i ve rea l  estate i ntheentire world now. 
~ ~ ~
gavingmiller 
One f ri e nd i s i n a  townhouse  i n Nor t h Vanco u ve r . Ren t ed for a whil e, then
bou g ht.  Real- es tat e  is st upidsi l lythere. I've  als o heard t alk of peoplem oving t o Vict ori a a s an al te rna ti v e.-- --- - 
ma xsilverIlo ve th e id e a o f re loc atin g toCanada. But e ver y ti m e I 've l ooked  int oit,
c ompani es se em ed to only payentr y level w age sfor  e xperi e nced p osi tio ns
(80K -100K C A D w hi c h is  60-75K USD), whil eh a vi ng highcoasta l -t yp e  housing 
c ost s (5 0 0 K - 1 M CA D ,which is  400kt o76 0k USD) 
Sure,gr eat lyreduc e d he alth c are cost . But even accountin g  for that, it st i l ls eeme d l ike a big f inan c ialsetb a ck .
U nless  I'mmi s si n g something, it see ms  likeif yo u could affor d a home i n T oronto,youm ig h t as well sell  it a nd buy a h o use in N YC or  SF or B oston.
Yo u r  cost of  li vin g w oul d be  about the sa m e , bu tyour in com e would  ju mprou ghl y2x or hig her.

ED IT  :  F or  ex ample ,  Sortabl eisth e C anadi a n comp any i n th ear t icl e. Thei r  " 3 + 
yea rex peri enc e"  Soft ware Eng ineer p osition o n t h eirwe bs ite max es out at 100 KCAD, a sal ar y 2 5% low e r  than Am azon's Seattle _interns _  make ( ~10 0K US D).
~~~
jord igh 
Downt own Toront o is p robab ly  th e moste x pe nsi ve  place for h ous ing.Th e
sa lariesare about comparab l e e lsewhere in C ana da,w i th  mu c hc hea pe r  ho u s ing
options els ewhere inth e  G TA, or inM tlor  Vancou ver.

I  woul d n't say  I'm maki ng bank i nMtl, b utmy salaryis comfo rtable an d  give s 
m e sla ck.  Mostpe opl e I k now st a rtbuyin g home shere i n the ir  mid-30s .

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jbob2000
No,we don 't wa ntpeople wh o,a t t he firstsign  of troubl e,pac k the irb ags
a nd l e av e.I f you  don ' t like Tr u mp , s t a ythere and f i g h t f or yo urh ome.
~~~pmoriarty

 the_application and/or_any audits had they_occurred.

~~~
Grishnakh
>I live_in_Calgary and_have_seen many peers_move to Vancouver_for better job
prospects.

Where do_they live? Even_a_crack house in Vancouver costs $1M. Vancouver has
probably some of the most expensive real_estate_in the_entire_world_now.

~~~
gavingmiller
One friend is in a_townhouse in North Vancouver. Rented_for a_while, then
bought. Real-estate is stupid silly there. I've_also_heard talk of_people
moving to Victoria as an alternative.

------
maxsilver
I love the idea_of relocating to Canada. But every_time I've looked_into_it,
companies_seemed to only pay_entry level wages for experienced positions
(80K-100K_CAD which is 60-75K USD), while_having high coastal-type housing
costs (500K - 1M_CAD, which is 400k to 760k_USD)

Sure, greatly reduced health care_cost. But_even accounting for that, it_still
seemed like a_big financial_setback.

Unless I'm missing_something, it seems like if you_could afford a_home in
Toronto, you might as well_sell_it and buy_a_house_in NYC_or SF or_Boston.
Your_cost of_living_would be about the same, but_your_income would jump
roughly 2x or higher.

EDIT :_For example, Sortable is_the_Canadian company in the_article. Their "3+
year experience" Software_Engineer position on their website maxes_out at_100K
CAD, a_salary 25% lower than Amazon's Seattle _interns_ make (~100K USD).

~~~
jordigh
Downtown Toronto_is probably the most expensive place_for housing. The
salaries are_about comparable_elsewhere_in Canada, with_much_cheaper housing
options_elsewhere in the GTA, or in Mtl_or Vancouver.

I_wouldn't say I'm making bank in_Mtl, but my salary_is_comfortable and gives
me slack. Most people_I know start buying homes here_in their mid-30s.

------
jbob2000
No, we don't_want_people_who, at the first sign_of trouble, pack their bags
and leave._If you don't_like Trump, stay there and fight for_your_home.

~~~
pmoriarty
