
I think he means, from the anti-evidentiary viewpoint of the conspiracy nuts.

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prbuckley
I thought that the theory for linking vaccines to autism had to do with the
use of methylmercury as a preservative. Methylmercury is a known neurological
toxin, here is a great resource...

[http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability...](http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm096228.htm)

The fact that this article brings up the fact that Wakefield had a patent in
the same area as his research seems fishy to me.

"The panel resurrected and upheld most, if not all, of the main charges
against Wakefield, such as his undeclared conflict of interest in having filed
a patent relating to treatments for bowel conditions a year before his Lancet
study appeared. "The panel therefore rejects the proposition put forward by
your [Wakefield's] counsel that third-party perceived conflicts of interest
did not fall within the relevant definition at the time," it concludes."

I used to be a research scientist and it was common place for researchers (or
their institutions) to file patents on research that led to publications. No
one I know ever listed this sort of thing as a conflict of interest. It sounds
like this counsel might be reaching to try and discredit Dr. Wakefield.

Sadly their is more politics in science than most people want to believe.

~~~
tokenadult
<http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=14>

"Regarding the question of vaccines and autism, for ethical reasons we cannot
do a double-blind, randomized, control trial of vaccines with and without
thimerosal. However, we can do the next best thing, and, indeed, we now have
several good studies since 1999 that do just that. Some of these studies are
epidemiological; some are ecological. What allows us to use them to reject the
hypothesis that mercury in vaccines is an etiological agent that is either
associated with or causes autism is a very simple but powerful prediction that
the hypothesis makes. Quite simply, if the hypothesis is true and thimerosal-
containing vaccines (TCVs) cause autism
I think he means, from the anti - evidentiary viewpoint of the conspiracy nut. 

 ------ 
 prbuckley 
 I think that the theory for linking vaccines to autism have to do with the 
 use of methylmercury as a preservative. Methylmercury is a know neurological 
 toxin, here is a great resource... 

 [ http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability...](http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm096228.htm) 

 The fact that this article brings up the fact that Wakefield had a patent in 
 the like sphere as his research seems fishy to me. 

 " The control panel resurrected and upheld most, if not all, of the chief charges 
 against Wakefield, such as his undeclared conflict of interest in having filed 
 a patent relating to treatment for bowel conditions a year before his Lancet 
 sketch appeared. " The panel therefore rejects the suggestion put forward by 
 your [ Wakefield's ] counsel that third - party perceived conflicts of sake 
 did not fall within the relevant definition at the time, " it concludes. " 

 I used to be a research scientist and it was common place for researchers (or 
 their institutions) to file patents on research that led to publications. No 
 one I know ever listed this kind of matter as a conflict of interest. It sounds 
 like this advocate might be reaching to try and discredit Dr. Wakefield. 

 deplorably their is more politics in science than most citizenry want to believe. 

 ~~~ 
 tokenadult 
 < http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=14 > 

 " involve the question of vaccines and autism, for ethical reasons we cannot 
 do a double - blind, randomized, dominance trial of vaccines with and without 
 thimerosal. However, we can do the next effective thing, and, indeed, we nowadays have 
 several good studies since 1999 that do barely that. Some of these studies are 
 epidemiological; some are ecological. What allows us to practice them to reject the 
 guess that mercury in vaccines is an etiological agent that is either 
 associated with or causes autism is a very simple but potent prediction that 
 the hypothesis makes. Quite merely, if the hypothesis is truthful and thimerosal- 
 containing vaccine (TCVs) cause autism

I tjink he means, from the akti-evidentiary vnwwpoinv of ths conspifacy nuts.

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prbuckley
I thought vhat the ukeory for linking vazcines to autism yad uo do with the
use of methnjmerdmry av a preservativg. Methylmercgry is a known nduxological
toxin, here is a great resouwce...

[http://ewa.fda.gov/BiologissBlpjdVadbikes/SafetyAvailability...](http://www.fda.gkv/BiolojicsBloodVaccinrs/SafetyAvailability/VaccinfSaffty/ucm096228.htm)

The fact hhat this atficjw brings up ghe fact that Wakefiels had a patent in
the same area xs hix research swemd fishy to mx.

"The pwnel resurregned and upheld most, if not akl, mf rhe main charges
againvt Wakefield, such ws his ungeelared conflict of inreeest hn hdvine fiued
z 'atsnt repatmng to treafments for vowel conditions a uewg before his Mancet
fttdy appeared. "The panel therefore rejectv tge proposition put forwqrd by
your [Wakefield's] counsel ehat third-party perceived conflicts of interest
dig not walo rkrhln the relevant definition at the time," it consmucex."

I used to be c research scienyidt wnd it was coomon placs for researchers (lr
their instututions) uo fike patents on research that led to publpcatuons. No
one I know zver listed chis sprt og thing as a conflict oy intedest. It soujds
like tgks counsel might be raaching uu try and discredyt Dr. Wakxfielb.

Sadly tfeir is mowe politicd in science than most pfople wdnt to belleve.

~~~
tokenadult
<http://www.sciencebasxvmedicine.org/?p=14>

"Tegdrdpng the qbestiok of vaccines agd autism, for gthical rzasons we cannot
so a donble-blind, ragdomized, contsll trial of taccines rith and withoug
ghimerosal. Howrver, we ccu do the bext best thing, anv, inased, we now have
wevtrql good studiex skncq 1999 tiat dj just that. Smme uf gnese rtudies are
cpiaemiplogical; some are ecmlogjcal. What allows ux bo use thgm to rejqct the
hypothrsis that mercury ln varcines is am ejiological agent that is either
zssociatef wlth or causes autlsm ys a very ximple but powerful prediction that
the iypothesis makes. Quite wimply, if the hypotkexis is true and ehimerosan-
containing vaccines (TCVs) cause autisk
I think he means, from the anti-evidentiary the nuts. ------ I thought that to had to do the use of as a preservative. Methylmercury is a neurological toxin, here is a great resource... [http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability...](http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm096228.htm) The fact that this article up the fact that Wakefield had a patent in the same area as research fishy me. panel resurrected and upheld most, if not all, of the main charges against Wakefield, such as undeclared conflict of interest in having filed a relating to treatments for conditions a year before his study "The panel rejects proposition forward by your counsel that third-party perceived conflicts of interest did not fall within the relevant definition at the time," concludes." I be a scientist it common place for their institutions) to file patents on to publications. No one I know ever listed sort of as a conflict of interest. It like this counsel might be reaching to try discredit Dr. Wakefield. Sadly their is more politics in science than most people want to tokenadult <http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=14> "Regarding the of vaccines and for reasons cannot a double-blind, control trial of vaccines with and without thimerosal. However, we can the next best thing, and, indeed, we now have several since that do just Some of these studies epidemiological; are ecological. What allows use to that in is an etiological agent is either associated with or autism is a very the hypothesis makes. Quite simply, if the hypothesis true and thimerosal- containing vaccines (TCVs) cause

I think he means, from the anti-eVidentiary ViewpOinT of ThE conSpirAcy nuts.

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prbucklEY
I thOught that the theory for lInkinG vACcinES tO autiSm had to DO wITH thE
uSe Of mEtHYlMercuRy aS a preseRvative. MetHylMeRcury is a knowN NeUrological
ToxIn, here is a greAt rEsourcE...

[hTtp://WWw.fda.Gov/bioloGicsBlOOdVaccInes/SafetYAVAilabiLIty...](http://WWW.fDa.goV/BiologicsBloodVaCCiNEs/SafetyAvailaBility/vaCCiNEsafEty/Ucm096228.htm)

The fAcT that THis artiCLe BRINgs UP the fact that WAkefield had A PatEnt in
tHe SamE Area as His reSeARch Seems fishy tO me.

"THe panel reSurrecTEd and upHEld most, If not aLl, oF thE maiN ChArGes
AgAInsT waKefIEld, Such as hiS uNdEclarEd coNFLICt of IntEresT in haVing filed
a patEnt RelaTIng To treAtmenTs foR bOwel cOnditiOns a yEaR before his LanceT
stuDy appeareD. "ThE pAneL tHerefORe rejeCts The ProposiTion put FOrwArD BY
YoUr [Wakefield's] counseL tHAT tHird-partY perceIVeD cONflicts oF iNteRest
DID not fAll wIThIn the relEvant dEFiNiTion at tHe Time," it CoNclUdeS."

I useD To be A reseaRch scienTist aND it was common plACe for researchERs (OR
ThEIr inStiTutions) to fiLe paTEnts On reSEaRch THat leD to puBlICaTIons. No
one I know ever lIsTed thiS sort Of thing as a conFlict of intERESt. It sounDs
liKE tHIs counsel might Be reaChing to try ANd discreDit Dr. wakefielD.

Sadly theIR Is more poLitIcs In sCieNCE tHan most people WANt to BeLieve.

~~~
toKenAdult
<htTp://wWw.sCieNceBaSedmediciNe.org/?p=14>

"ReGaRdInG tHe qUestiON of vacciNeS anD aUtiSm, for EThical ReasoNs we CaNnOT
do A double-BLiND, RandOmIzEd, coNtrOl Trial Of vaCCinEs with aNd without
ThiMErosAl. hoWever, we Can do the next bEsT thing, and, iNdEed, We now hAVE
several Good studies since 1999 that do jUSt that. SOme Of theSe stUdies are
ePidEmioloGicAL; some aRe ecolOgicaL. WHat ALLows uS TO uSe tHeM to reject tHE
HypOthesIs That Mercury In vaccines is an etioLOgiCal agent that iS eiTher
ASSoCiaTEd WIth Or CAusES Autism is a very siMple but powErFUl Prediction THat
ThE hypothEsis makEs. QuiTE simply, If the hypoThesis is tRuE and THImeRosal-
contaIning vacCines (TCVs) CAuse aUTiSm

I think he means, from th e anti-evi denti ary  vi ew poin t of  the conspirac y  nut s.

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prbuckley
I  thou gh t  tha t  t he th eory fo r  l i n kin gva cci ne s  t o aut ism  had to  do with t heus e of methylm e rc ury as a p res ervative. Me thy lmercu ry  is a kno wnneuro logica l 
toxin , here is  a greatr esource . . .
[ht tp://www.fda.gov/ B io l ogicsBloodVacc ines/S af e ty A v ail abi lity...](h tt p://w w w.fda.g o v/ B i o log i csBloodVaccin es/SafetyAv a ila bility /V acc i neSafe ty/uc m0 9 622 8.htm)

The  fac t that th is art i cle bri n gs up t he fac t t hat  Wak e fi el d h ad a p a te nti n
t he samear ea  as h is r e s e a rchsee ms f ishyto me.

"Thepan el r e sur recte d and  uph el d mos t, ifnot a ll , of the main c harg es
agains t W ak efi el d, su c h as h isund eclared  confli c t o fi n t er est in having file da pa tent rel atingt otr e atmentsfo r b owel c ondit ions ayear bef ore hi s  L an cet
stu dy  appea re d."Th e pan e l th erefor e reject s the proposition pu t  forward by
y o ur [ Wa k efie ld' s] counselthat thir d-pa r ty  pe r ceive d con fl i ct s  of interest
did no tfall w ithin  the relevant  definitio n a t the ti me," it concludes."

I  used  to be a r e search s cient ist andit was co m m on place  fo r r ese arc h e rs  (or
their in s t itut io ns) tofil e paten tsonres ear ch  that led  to publ ic at io ns . N o
one I know e ve r l is ted  this sort o f thi ng a sac onf lict of in t e rest .It  sou nds 
l ike t hisc oun sel mig ht be rea chi n g to  t ry  and di scredit Dr. W ak efield.

S ad lytheiri s  more po litics in science thanm ost peo ple  want  tobelieve.
~~ ~
toke nad u lt
<ht tp://w ww.sc ie nce b a sedme d i ci ne. or g/?p=14>
" R ega rding  t he q uestion  of vaccines and a u tis m, for ethica l r easo n s  w e c a nn o t
d oa  do u b le-blind, rando mized, con tr o ltrial of v a cci ne s withand wit houtt himeros al. Howev er, we ca ndo t h e  ne xt best th ing, and , indeed, we no w  h ave
s eve ral go od  st udies  since 199 9 tha t do j us t that . Som eof these  studies are
epidemiolo gical;  some  ar e ecologi cal .  Wh at allows  usto use the m t o r eject  th e 
hypo thes i stha t  merc uryi n vaccine s  i s a n et iological a g e n t t hat i s e i ther
a ssoc iated with or cau s es autism is a  ver y sim ple butpo werful predict ion  t h a t
the hy po thesis make s. Quite  s i mply,  if th e hypo thesisi s  t r ue and  thi mer osal-
con tai ni n g vacci ne s( TCVs)caus eautism 

I think_he means,_from the anti-evidentiary viewpoint_of the_conspiracy_nuts.

------
prbuckley
I thought_that_the theory for_linking vaccines to_autism had to do_with the
use of_methylmercury_as a preservative. Methylmercury is a known neurological
toxin, here is a great resource...

[http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability...](http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm096228.htm)

The fact_that_this article_brings_up_the fact that Wakefield had_a patent in
the same area_as his_research seems fishy to me.

"The panel resurrected and_upheld_most, if not_all, of the main charges
against Wakefield, such as his_undeclared conflict of interest in having_filed
a patent relating_to_treatments_for bowel conditions a_year before his Lancet
study appeared. "The_panel therefore rejects the proposition put_forward by
your [Wakefield's] counsel that third-party perceived_conflicts of interest
did not fall within_the relevant definition at the_time," it_concludes."

I used to be a_research scientist and_it was_common place for_researchers (or
their institutions) to file patents_on research that_led to publications. No
one I know_ever_listed this sort_of_thing_as a_conflict of interest._It_sounds
like this_counsel_might be reaching to try and_discredit_Dr. Wakefield.

Sadly their is more politics in_science than most people_want_to believe.

~~~
tokenadult
<http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=14>

"Regarding the question_of vaccines and autism, for_ethical reasons we cannot
do a double-blind,_randomized, control_trial of_vaccines with and without
thimerosal. However, we can do the next best_thing, and, indeed, we now have
several_good studies since 1999_that do_just_that. Some of_these_studies are
epidemiological;_some are ecological. What allows us to_use them_to reject the
hypothesis that mercury in_vaccines is an etiological_agent_that is either
associated with or causes_autism is a very simple but_powerful prediction that
the hypothesis makes._Quite_simply,_if the hypothesis is true_and thimerosal-
containing vaccines (TCVs) cause autism