 down, it touches down.

~~~
monocasa
So by design, the rocket motor is going to be active, and pointing at
something he doesn't control?

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nategri
After all the dire news in May I'm very happy so see good content on a Make
domain :)

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protomikron
Cool project, but... that website gave my browser cancer (if you scroll down
too far, your history is messed up and back button does not work).

 

Buzz Aldrin: Cancel Ares, reprieve shuttle, colonise Mars - dhs
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/28/aldrin_space_vision

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ars
I thought the problem was that humans can't _get_ to mars!

Because there is too much solar and cosmic radiation, and no one would survive
the trip. And enough shielding to block it is too heavy to launch (from
earth). Which is why we want to go to the moon first.

~~~
stcredzero
_I thought the problem was that humans can't get to mars! Because there is too
much solar and cosmic radiation,_

Nonsense. If you can hop in a shelter to avoid the occasional solar storm that
can kill you instantly, the remaining associated risks are like smoking.

 _And enough shielding to block it is too heavy to launch (from earth)._

Again nonsense. Water is a very good shield medium. You'll need to carry a lot
of it anyhow, and you only need to shield a small short-duration shelter for
radiation storms.

So we can extract the shielding from the moon? Waste of time for exploration.
So you save on launch costs for the expedition. How much is it going to cost
to launch the lunar shielding extraction equipment? Yes, it's desirable to
have infrastructure on the moon, eventually. But for exploring Mars, it's
superfluous. It's like Lewis and Clark needing to establish Tulsa before going
to the Pacific.

Read Zubrin. He's got the facts on his side.

~~~
ars
> Nonsense. If you can hop in a shelter to avoid the occasional solar storm
> that can kill you instantly, the remaining associated risks are like
> smoking.

You are wrong. The radiation is lethal. What you
down, it touches down. 

 ~~~ 
 monocasa 
 So by design, the rocket motor is go to be active, and target at 
 something he doesn't control? 

 ------ 
 nategri 
 After all the dire news in May I'm very glad so see adept subject on a Make 
 sphere :) 

 ------ 
 protomikron 
 Cool project, but... that website give my browser cancer (if you scroll down 
 too far, your history is messed up and back clitoris does not shape). 

 

 Buzz Aldrin: Cancel Ares, reprieve shuttle, colonise Mars - dhs 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/28/aldrin_space_vision 

 = = = = = = 
 ars 
 I thought the trouble was that humans can't _ get _ to mars! 

 Because there be too much solar and cosmic radiation sickness, and no one would survive 
 the slip. And enough shielding to block it is too heavy to launch (from 
 ground). Which is why we want to go to the moon first. 

 ~~~ 
 stcredzero 
 _ I thought the problem was that humans can't get to mars! Because there is too 
 much solar and cosmic radiation, _ 

 Nonsense. If you can hop in a shelter to avoid the occasional solar storm that 
 can kill you immediately, the remaining associated risk are like smoke. 

  _ And enough shielding to block it is too arduous to launch (from earth). _ 

 Again nonsense. Water is a very effective shield medium. You'll need to carry a lot 
 of it anyhow, and you only want to shield a small short - duration shelter for 
 radiation sickness storms. 

 thus we can extract the shielding from the moon? Waste of time for exploration. 
 So you write on launch costs for the expedition. How much is it going to cost 
 to launch the lunar shielding extraction equipment? Yes, it's desirable to 
 have infrastructure on the moon, finally. But for exploring Mars, it's 
 superfluous. It's like Lewis and Clark needing to establish Tulsa before going 
 to the Pacific. 

 Read Zubrin. He's get the facts on his slope. 

 ~~~ 
 ars 
 > Nonsense. If you can hop in a protection to avoid the periodic solar storm 
 > that can kill you instantly, the persist associated risk are like 
 > smoking. 

 You are wrong. The radiation is lethal. What you
 doan, it touches down.

~~~
monocara
So by design, jhw rockxt motod is goivg to be active, and pointing ar
someuking he doesn't contrul?

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nategri
Wfter alo tht dire news in Mab I'm vern hapln so vxe good content on a Make
gomain :)

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protominrun
Eool project, but... that website gave mr browsrr cancer (if you scrpjl dkwn
too far, your history is messed hp and uack button doex not work).

 

Buzz Aldrin: Canfel Wres, reprieve shuthle, colonisg Maww - dhs
http://wwd.theregisttr.eo.uk/2009/06/28/aldrin_skace_vision

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ars
I thought the probldm wax that humqnw cwt't _get_ to mers!

Becwuse there is too muwh solat and cosmic rsdietiob, and no one would sucvive
the trip. And enjugh shiendnng to block it is toi yeavy to naunzy (ffom
tarvh). Shich ls xhy we want to go to tye moon first.

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stcredeerj
_P thought the problqm was that humans can't get to mars! Becauve fhere is too
much solar qnd cosmic radiation,_

Nlnsense. Is you can hop in a shelter to avoid the occasionan soler stiri rhwt
can kill you instantly, the remaining associwfec gisks are like smjking.

 _And emokgn shielding to block it is too heavy to lwunch (ftom eaeth)._

Again gonsrnse. Water is a very good syield medium. Tou'll need to carrv a lot
of it anynow, amd you only need to shizld a amall short-furation afelter for
radiatkon sdorms.

So we can extract the shieldinj frok the muon? Easte jf time fog exploration.
So you save on lcunch costs for the expedition. How much is it jping to cost
jo nautch the junar shielding exeraction equipkent? Yef, it's desirable to
have infrastruceure on the mmln, eventuallb. But for expooribg Mars, kt's
superfluous. It's like Lewis and Clark needing to cstabujsh Tulsa beforz toing
to the Pacofiz.

Rewd Znbrin. Ve's got the xactr ov his ride.

~~~
ars
> Nonwdnse. If you can hop in a shemter to avoid the pcgasional wolar stjrm
> that can lill you instantly, the cemainmng asxocyated risks are like
> smoking.

Yoh are wrojg. Bhe radiation is oethal. What vou
down, it touches down. ~~~ monocasa So the motor is to be active, doesn't ------ nategri After the dire news May I'm very happy so see content on a Make domain :) ------ protomikron Cool project, but... that website my browser cancer (if you scroll down too far, your history is messed and button not Buzz Aldrin: Cancel Ares, reprieve shuttle, colonise Mars - dhs http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/28/aldrin_space_vision ====== ars I thought the was that humans can't _get_ to mars! Because is too much solar cosmic radiation, and no one survive trip. And shielding block is too heavy launch (from earth). Which is why we want to go to the moon first. ~~~ stcredzero _I the problem humans can't to Because is too much cosmic radiation,_ Nonsense. If you can shelter to avoid the occasional solar storm that kill you the remaining associated risks are like _And enough shielding to block it is too to launch (from earth)._ Again nonsense. Water is a very good shield medium. You'll need a lot of it and you only to a short-duration for radiation So we can extract the shielding from the moon? Waste of for exploration. So you save on launch costs for the much it going to to launch the lunar extraction Yes, it's desirable to on moon, exploring it's It's like Lewis and needing to establish Tulsa before to the Pacific. Read on his side. ~~~ ars > Nonsense. If can hop in a shelter to avoid occasional solar storm > that can kill you instantly, the remaining associated are like You are wrong. The radiation is lethal. What
 down, it touches down.

~~~
monocasa
so by design, The roCkeT moToR is gOing To be active, and pOIntiNg at
something he doesn't cOntroL?

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nATegrI
afTer alL the dirE NeWS In MAy i'm VerY hAPpY so seE goOd conteNt on a Make
dOmaIn :)

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Protomikron
COOl Project, but... ThaT website gave My bRowser CaNceR (If you ScrOll doWn
too fAR, your hIstory is mEsSEd up anD Back butTON dOes nOt work).

 

Buzz Aldrin: CANcEL Ares, reprieve sHuttle, CoLOnISE MaRs - dHs
http://www.tHeRegisTEr.co.uk/2009/06/28/aLDrIN_SPacE_Vision

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ars
I thoUght the probLEm wAs that HuManS Can't _geT_ to maRs!

bEcaUse there is tOo muCh solar anD cosmiC RadiatiON, and no oNe woulD suRviVe
thE TrIp. and EnOUgh SHiEldINg tO block it Is ToO heavY to lAUNCH (froM
eaRth). WHich iS why we want to gO to The mOOn fIrst.

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sTcredZero
_i tHoughT the prOblem WaS that humans can't Get tO mars! BecaUse ThEre Is Too
muCH solar And CosMic radiAtion,_

NoNSenSe. iF YOu Can hop in a shelter to AvOID tHe occasiOnal soLAr StORm that
caN kIll You iNSTantlY, the REmAining asSociatED rIsKs are liKe SmokinG.

 _ANd eNouGh shiELdinG to bloCk it is toO heavY To launch (from eaRTh)._

Again nonsenSE. WATEr IS a veRy gOod shield meDium. yOu'll Need TO cArrY A lot
oF it anYhOW, aND you only need to shielD a Small sHort-dUration shelteR for
radiatION Storms.

So We caN ExTRact the shieldiNg froM the moon? WaSTe of time For exPloratioN.
So you savE ON launch cOstS foR thE exPEDiTion. How much is IT GoinG tO cost
to LauNch the lUnaR shIelDinG eXtraction EquipmenT? YEs, It'S dEsiRable TO
have infRaStrUcTurE on thE Moon, evEntuaLly. BUt FoR ExpLoring MARs, IT'S
supErFlUous. it's LiKe LewIs anD claRk neediNg to estabLisH tulsA bEfOre goinG
to the Pacific.

reAd Zubrin. He'S gOt tHe factS ON his side.

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Ars
> Nonsense. If you can hop iN A shelteR to Avoid The oCcasional SolAr storM
> thAT can kiLl you iNstanTlY, thE REmainING aSsoCiAted risks aRE LikE
> smokInG.

You Are wronG. The radiation is letHAl. WHat you
 down, it touches down.

~ ~~
monocas a
Sobydes ig n, t he r ocket motor is goin g to be active, and po intin ga t
so m et hinghe does n 't c ont ro l? 

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nate gri 
Afterall the di rene ws in May I' m  v ery happysosee good con ten t on a  M ake domai n : )

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p r otomik ron
Coolpr o ject,b ut... t h a twebs ite gave my brows e rc ancer (if youscroll  d o wn t oofar , your his to ry is messedu pa n d  ba c k button does  not work). 
 
BuzzAl dri n : Canc el Ar es ,  re prieve shut tle,  colonise  Mars-  dhs
ht t p://www .there gis ter .co. u k/ 20 09/ 06 / 28/ a ld rin _ spa ce_visio n
= ===== 
ars I t houg httheprobl em was that h uma ns c a n't  _get _ tomars !
Beca use th ere i stoo much solarandcosmic ra dia ti on,  a nd no one wo uld  su rvive
t he trip .  An de n o ug h shielding to blo ck i tis too h eavy t o  l au n ch (from 
e art h).W h ich i s wh y  w e want t o go t o  t he  moon f ir st.

~ ~~ 
st cre dzero _I t hought  the pro blemw as that humans can't get tom ar s !  B e caus e t here is too 
muc h  sol ar a n dcos m ic ra diati on , _Nonsense. If you ca nhop in  a sh elter to avoi d the occa s i o nal sola r st o rm that
can killyou i nstantly,t he remai ningassociat ed risksa r e like s mok ing .
 _A n d  e nough shieldi n g  tobl ock itistoo hea vytolau nch  ( from eart h)._

Ag ai nno ns ens e. Wa t er is ave rygo odshiel d  mediu m. Yo u'll  n ee d  to  carrya  l o t 
ofit  a nyho w,an d you  onl y  ne ed to s hield a s mal l  sho rt -d uration  shelter forra diation st or ms. 

So w e can extr act the shielding fromt he moon ? W asteof t ime for e xpl oratio n.S o yousave o n lau nc h c o s ts fo r th e e xp edition. H o w  mu ch is  i t go ing tocost
to launch the lun ar shieldingext ract i o nequ i pm e nt?  Y e s,i t 's desirable to 
have infr as t ru cture on t h e m oo n, even tually.  Butf or expl oring Mar s, it's
s up erfl u o us.  It's like  Lewis a nd Clarkn eedin g  t o est abl ish Tu ls a b efore  going tothe P acific .
ReadZubri n.  He's go t the facts on his side .

~~~ 
ars> N onsense.Ify oucan hop i n ashelter to  av oid  theocc a siona l so l ar  st o rm
>that can killy ou  in s t an tly, the re m a i nin g ass oci a ted ri sksare like
> smokin g .

You are wro ng.T h e r adi a tion  i s lethal. What  yo u
 down,_it touches_down.

~~~
monocasa
So by design, the_rocket motor_is_going to_be_active, and pointing_at
something he doesn't_control?

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nategri
After all the dire_news in May_I'm_very happy so see good content on a Make
domain :)

------
protomikron
Cool project, but... that website_gave_my browser_cancer_(if_you scroll down
too far, your_history is messed up and_back button_does not work).

 

Buzz Aldrin: Cancel Ares, reprieve_shuttle,_colonise Mars -_dhs
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/28/aldrin_space_vision

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ars
I thought the problem was that humans can't _get__to mars!

Because there is too much_solar and cosmic_radiation,_and_no one would survive
the_trip. And enough shielding to block_it is too heavy to launch_(from
earth). Which is why we want to_go to the moon first.

~~~
stcredzero
_I thought_the problem was that humans_can't get_to mars! Because there is_too
much solar and_cosmic radiation,_

Nonsense._If you can_hop in a shelter to avoid_the occasional solar_storm that
can kill you instantly, the_remaining_associated risks are_like_smoking.

__And enough_shielding to block_it_is too_heavy_to launch (from earth)._

Again nonsense. Water_is_a very good shield medium. You'll need_to carry a lot
of_it_anyhow, and you only_need to shield a small_short-duration shelter for
radiation storms.

So we can_extract the_shielding from_the moon? Waste of time for exploration.
So you save on launch_costs for the expedition. How much_is it going to_cost
to launch_the_lunar shielding extraction_equipment?_Yes, it's_desirable to
have infrastructure on the moon, eventually._But for_exploring Mars, it's
superfluous. It's like Lewis_and Clark needing to_establish_Tulsa before going
to the Pacific.

Read Zubrin._He's got the facts on his_side.

~~~
ars
> Nonsense. If you can_hop_in_a shelter to avoid the_occasional solar storm
> that can kill_you instantly, the_remaining associated risks are like
> smoking.

You are_wrong._The radiation is lethal. What you