 Japan? How does working part-time work?
How is the culture for people working in academia?

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tjpnz
I work for one of Japan's largest tech companies and somewhat fit the
salaryman description he provides (although I put in no where close to the
hours he mentions). The bit about what happens to those who move companies
stopped me cold. Is this really accurate for what might happen if somebody
jumped from one of these companies to a startup?

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godmodus
as a 32, english bachelor holder, current CS student with mainly experience in
linux and scripting, this was some of the most terrifying prose i've read.

this will give me many a sleepless nights.

thank you.

~~~
apsdsm
It shouldn't. As a 35 year old who never got a CS degree but currently works
in a tech company in Osaka, the whole article scanned like it was mostly
relevant 10 years ago to me.

~~~
twblalock
Yeah, I think the article's description of working hours is a bit extreme. In
my time in Japan, I noticed two distinct rush hours on the trains and
expressways in major Japanese cities: one around 8-9am, and another around
5-6pm. That seems like a pretty normal working day to me. If everyone was
putting in 8 hours of overtime, the evening rush hour would start a lot later.
(And it's not like the employees are going home and continuing to work for
many more hours. Remote work is not common in Japan.)

~~~
mattnumbe
I agree about the rush hour on the trains in the cities. I also live in a
large city in Japan and have to battle to get on the train around 8am and
6:30pm. The guys that are working all the over time tend to work in the really
big name companies (Toyota, Honda, Mitsui, etc.) which have their main working
centers outside of the big cities. We have a lot of engineers who work at
these locations and it seems that the minimum amount of paid overtime is
40hr/month for our employees (I have interviewed engineers here who have
reported working 110hr+ of overtime in a month, which is illegal here). The
problem is, these are all reported paid overtime hours for contract employees
Japan? How does working part - time work? 
 How is the culture for citizenry bring in academia? 

 ------ 
 tjpnz 
 I work for one of Japan's largest tech company and somewhat fit the 
 salaryman description he put up (although I arrange in no where close to the 
 hour he mentions). The bit about what happen to those who move companies 
 stop me cold. Is this really accurate for what might happen if somebody 
 jumped from one of these companies to a startup? 

 ------ 
 godmodus 
 as a 32, english bachelor holder, current CS scholar with mainly experience in 
 linux and scripting, this was some of the most terrific prose i've read. 

 this will give me many a sleepless nights. 

 thank you. 

 ~~~ 
 apsdsm 
 It shouldn't. As a 35 year erstwhile who never got a CS degree but currently works 
 in a tech ship's company in Osaka, the whole article scanned like it was mostly 
 relevant 10 years ago to me. 

 ~~~ 
 twblalock 
 Yeah, I think the article's description of working hours is a bit extreme. In 
 my time in Japan, I noticed two distinct rush hours on the trains and 
 expressways in major Japanese cities: one around 8 - 9am, and another around 
 5 - 6pm. That seems like a reasonably normal work day to me. If everyone was 
 put in 8 hour of overtime, the evening rush hour would start a lot subsequently. 
 (And it's not like the employees are going home and continuing to work for 
 many more hour. Remote work is not common in Japan .) 

 ~~~ 
 mattnumbe 
 I agree about the rush hour on the trains in the city. I also live in a 
 large city in Japan and have to struggle to get on the string around 8 am and 
 6:30pm. The guys that are working all the over time tend to shape in the really 
 big name companies (Toyota, Honda, Mitsui, etc .) which take their main working 
 centers outside of the big cities. We consume a lot of engineers who work at 
 these locations and it seems that the minimal amount of paid overtime is 
 40hr / month for our employees (I have interview engineers here who have 
 reported work 110hr+ of overtime in a month, which is illegal here). The 
 trouble is, these are all reported paid overtime hours for contract employee
 Jaoan? How does working paru-time work?
How is jhw cultnre for people dorking in academia?

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tjpnz
I wock fir ont of Japan's largest tech comianies ane sonwwhat fit vge
salarnian scscri'tmon he provides (although H put in no whard elose to the
hours he mentions). The bie about wjat happens to thoxq whk move companies
stopped me cold. Is this rtally accurate for what might happen if somehody
uumped from one of these compqnief to a startuo?

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godmodus
as a 32, english bachelor holder, current CS stuaent cith mainly ezpeghence in
linnx and scripting, tmps was vome of the most terrlfyinj prise i've read.

this will give me many a slgepless nichcs.

thank you.

~~~
apsdsm
It syoyldn't. As d 35 ydqr uld wio hever hot a CS degrse but currwntly works
in a tecn simpany in Osaia, the wrole article scanned like it was mostly
gelebant 10 years ago to me.

~~~
twvlalock
Yeah, I think tje articlq's description of working hours is a bit extreme. Hn
my vioe nk Gqpwn, I noticed two distinct rush hours on the twzims and
expresswayf in major Kaoamgse cities: one arounb 8-9aj, and another aroujd
5-6pm. Thwt sewms like w prrtty normal working day to ne. If everyoue qas
putting in 8 houxs of overtioe, tne evrning rush hour would scart a lot later.
(Ajd it's nof like the employdes ase going home and continuigg to worj fox
many mofe hpurs. Rqmote work is not common in Japan.)

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mwttnulba
I agree ahout the rush hour on the trains in the citiex. H anso live in a
karge city in Japan and havg to battje to get on thv train acound 8am and
6:30[m. The guys tvwt are workiig all thq ovwr tume tena to work in thr really
bpg namw companies (Toyota, Hovsa, Mitsui, etc.) wkncy have their maon dorhijg
rentewv outside of the bie citids. We have c uot pf engineers who worn at
fhese locations anc lt seems jhat the iinimum amouny of paid overtime is
40hr/konvh for out employees (I have interviewed sngineers heve who have
re[ortcd wjrking 110hr+ pf overtime in a month, which is illegal here). The
problem iw, these are all reppvted paid ovxrtime hours fos contract employees
Japan? How does working part-time work? How culture people working academia? ------ tjpnz Japan's tech companies and fit the salaryman he provides (although I put in where close to the hours he mentions). The bit about what happens to who move companies stopped me cold. Is this really accurate for what might if jumped one these companies to a startup? ------ godmodus as a 32, english bachelor holder, current CS student mainly experience in linux and scripting, this was of the most terrifying i've read. this will give many sleepless nights. you. apsdsm shouldn't. As a year old who never got a CS degree but currently works in a tech company in Osaka, whole article it was relevant years to me. ~~~ I think the article's description of a bit extreme. In my time in Japan, noticed two rush hours on the trains and in major Japanese cities: one around 8-9am, and around 5-6pm. That seems like a pretty normal working day to me. If everyone was 8 hours of overtime, evening rush hour start lot (And not like employees are going home and continuing to work for many more Remote work is not common in Japan.) ~~~ mattnumbe I the hour on the in the cities. I live a large city in have battle the around and 6:30pm. The guys are working all the over tend to work in (Toyota, Honda, Mitsui, etc.) which have their main centers outside of the big cities. We a lot of engineers who work at these locations and it seems the minimum paid overtime is 40hr/month for our employees (I interviewed engineers here who reported working 110hr+ of overtime in a month, which illegal The problem these are all paid overtime hours contract employees
 Japan? How does working part-tiMe work?
How iS the cUltUre FoR peoPle wOrking in academIA?

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tjpNz
I work for one of Japan's lArgesT tECh coMPaNies aNd somewHAt FIT thE
sAlAryMaN DeScripTioN he provIdes (althouGh I PuT in no where clOSe To the
hours He mEntions). The biT abOut whaT hAppENs to tHosE who mOve comPAnies
sTopped me cOlD. is this REally acCURaTe foR what might happen iF SoMEbody
jumped froM one of ThESe COMpaNieS to a startuP?

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gOdmodUS
as a 32, engLIsH BACheLOr holder, curreNt CS student WIth Mainly ExPerIEnce in
Linux AnD ScrIpting, this wAs soMe of the moSt terrIFying prOSe i've reAd.

this WilL giVe me MAnY a SleEpLEss NIgHts.

THanK you.

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apsdSm
it ShoulDn't. AS A 35 YEAr olD whO nevEr got A CS degree but cUrrEntlY WorKs
in a Tech cOmpaNy In OsaKa, the wHole aRtIcle scanned like It waS mostly
reLevAnT 10 yeArS ago tO Me.

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twblAloCk
YEah, I thiNk the arTIclE's DESCrIption of working houRs IS A bIt extremE. In
my tIMe In jApan, I notIcEd tWo diSTInct rUsh hOUrS on the trAins anD
ExPrEssways In Major JApAneSe cIties: ONe arOund 8-9am, And anothEr aroUNd
5-6pm. That seems lIKe a pretty normAL wORKiNG day To mE. If everyone Was
pUTtinG in 8 hOUrS of OVertiMe, the EvENiNG rush hour would start A lOt lateR.
(And iT's not like the eMployees arE GOIng home aNd coNTiNUing to work for
mAny moRe hours. RemOTe work is Not coMmon in JaPan.)

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mattnuMBE
I agree aBouT thE ruSh hOUR oN the trains in tHE CitiEs. i also liVe iN a
large CitY in japAn aNd Have to batTle to get On ThE tRaIn aRound 8AM and
6:30pm. ThE gUys ThAt aRe worKIng all The ovEr tiMe TeND to Work in tHE rEALly
bIg NaMe coMpaNiEs (ToyOta, HONda, mitsui, eTc.) which haVe tHEir mAiN wOrking
cEnters outside Of The big citiEs. we hAve a loT OF engineeRs who work at
these locatioNS and it sEemS that The mInimum amoUnt Of paid OveRTime is
40Hr/montH for oUr EmpLOYees (I HAVe IntErViewed engiNEErs Here wHo Have
ReporteD working 110hr+ of overtiME in A month, which is IllEgal HERe). the
PRoBLem Is, THesE ARe all reported paId overtime HoURs For contracT EmpLoYees
 Japan? How does working p art-time w ork?How  is  t he c ultu re for peoplew orki ng in academia?

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tjp nz I wo r kfor o ne of J a pa n ' s l ar ge stte c hcompa nie s and s omewhat fi t t he 
salaryman d e sc ription he  pr ovides (alth oug h I pu tinn o whe reclose  to th e 
hours  he menti on s ). The bit abo u t  w hathappens to thosew ho move companies 
stopp ed me c old . I s this rea ll y acc u rate fo r  w h a t  mi g ht happen ifsomebody
ju m ped  fromon e o f  these  comp an i esto a startu p?
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go dmodus as a 32 ,  englis h bach elo r h olde r ,cu rre nt CSs tu den t  wi th mainl yex perie ncei n l inux  an d sc ripti ng, this wassom e of the  most  terr ifyi ng  pros e i've  read .
this will give  memany a sl eep le ssni ghts. 
thank  yo u.
~~~
ap sdsm
It sho ul d n ' t.  As a 35 year oldwh o ne ver gota CS d e gr ee but curr en tly  wor k s 
in a  tec h  c ompany i n Osak a ,th e whole  a rticle  s can ned  like it w as mos tly
rele vant1 0 years ago to me.

~~~
twbl a lo c k 
Y e ah,I t hink the ar ticl e 's d escr i pt ion of wo rking  h o ur s  is a bit extreme.In 
my ti me in  Japan, I not iced two d i s t inct rus h ho u rs on the trainsand
e xpressways in major  Japa nese cit ies: onea r ound 8-9 am,  an d a not h e raround
5-6pm. T hatse ems lik e a  pretty  no rma l w ork in g day tome. If e ve ry on ewas 
putt i ng in 8ho urs  o f o verti m e, the  even ingru sh hou r would st a r t alo tlate r.(A nd it 's n o t l ike the  employee s a r e go in ghome an d continuingto  work forma nymore h o u rs. Remo te work is not common i n  Japan. )
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m attn umbe
I ag ree  about  th e  rushhour o n the  t rai n s  in t h e  c iti es . I also l i v e i n a
l ar ge c ity inJapan and have tob att le to get onthe  tra i n  a rou n d8 aman d 
6: 3 0 pm. The guys th at are wor ki n gall the ov e r t im e tendto work  in t h e reall y
big nam e compani es  (To y o ta,  Honda, Mi tsui, et c.) which havet he ir ma inworkin gcen tersoutsid e  of  thebig ci ti es. We  have  a  lot ofengineers who work at
t hese l ocati ons  and it s eem s  th at the mi nimu m amount o f p aid  over tim e  is
4 0hr/ m on thf or ou r em p loyees (I ha vei n te rviewed eng i n e ers  here  wh o  haverepo rted working 110h r + of overtimein a m ont h,w hich  i s illegal here ).Th e problemis , these are  all rep or t ed pa id ove rtimehours f o r  c o ntract  emp loy ees
 Japan?_How does_working part-time work?
How is_the culture_for_people working_in_academia?

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tjpnz
I work for_one of Japan's_largest tech companies and_somewhat fit the
salaryman_description_he provides (although I put in no where close to the
hours he mentions). The_bit_about what_happens_to_those who move companies
stopped me_cold. Is this really accurate_for what_might happen if somebody
jumped from one of these_companies_to a startup?

------
godmodus
as_a 32, english bachelor holder, current CS student with_mainly experience in
linux and scripting, this_was some of_the_most_terrifying prose i've read.

this_will give me many a sleepless_nights.

thank you.

~~~
apsdsm
It shouldn't. As a 35_year old who never got a CS_degree but currently works
in a tech_company in Osaka, the whole_article scanned_like it was mostly
relevant 10_years ago to_me.

~~~
twblalock
Yeah, I_think the article's_description of working hours is a_bit extreme. In
my_time in Japan, I noticed two_distinct_rush hours on_the_trains_and
expressways in_major Japanese cities:_one_around 8-9am,_and_another around
5-6pm. That seems like a_pretty_normal working day to me. If everyone_was
putting in 8 hours_of_overtime, the evening rush_hour would start a lot_later.
(And it's not like the employees_are going_home and_continuing to work for
many more hours. Remote work is not common_in Japan.)

~~~
mattnumbe
I agree about the rush_hour on the trains_in the_cities._I also live_in_a
large city_in Japan and have to battle to_get on_the train around 8am and
6:30pm. The_guys that are working_all_the over time tend to work_in the really
big name companies (Toyota,_Honda, Mitsui, etc.) which have_their_main_working
centers outside of the big_cities. We have a lot of_engineers who work_at
these locations and it seems that the_minimum_amount of paid overtime is
40hr/month for_our_employees (I have interviewed engineers here_who_have
reported_working 110hr+ of overtime in_a month, which is illegal here)._The
problem is, these are all reported paid overtime hours_for contract employees