
noble cause, yes?

> _No, if they really cared they would ban or strictly regulate the use of
> such chemicals._

Sure, and if they _really cared_, they could do that even despite the TTIP,
or they could reject or re-negotiate the TTIP. There's no way around that,
regardless of whether you trust that governments are operating with _our_ best
interests at heart.

~~~
imron
> But even if they didn't, surely news organizations would co-operate for a
> noble cause, yes?

As privately run corporations, news organizations go where the money is and I
trust them even less than I trust the government. The number of _ignoble_
causes they have cooperated on in the recent past leaves them with a very
large credibility gap in my mind.

And while the government is not perfect, at least I live in a country where
lobbying (aka bribery) is no where near as institutionalised and prevalent as
you see in the U.S.

So while my government might not always have _my_ best interests at heart,
they are definitely more concerned and more trustworthy than a news
organisation.

~~~
DanBC
Didn't the 911 conspiracy theory video link make you think that maybe it's not
worth speaking to silly goose?

~~~
imron
To be honest, I didn't even click through to the video.

Your point has been noted.

~~~
sillygoose
He didn't have a point. He just signaled that he can't think independently.

The video is a summary of _what we were told happened_, through the
mainstream media. The story is _absurd_, which means _it's not actually
true_! That, in turn, means that there was, in fact, a conspiracy!

Here's a few videos of an invisible plane hitting a building, which then
collapses seemingly on its own:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg)
.. but it wasn't on its own, of course, because an invisible plane hit it!

Feel free to start thinking for yourself any
noble cause, yes? 

 > _ No, if they really cared they would banish or rigorously regulate the use of 
 > such chemical. _ 

 Sure, and if they _ really manage _, they could do that even despite the TTIP, 
 or they could rule out or re - negociate the TTIP. There's no way around that, 
 regardless of whether you trust that governments are operating with _ our _ best 
 interest at heart. 

 ~~~ 
 imron 
 > But even if they didn't, surely news organization would co - engage for a 
 > noble cause, yes? 

 As privately run corporations, news organization go where the money is and I 
 trust them even less than I trust the politics. The number of _ ignoble _ 
 causes they have collaborate on in the recent past forget them with a very 
 large credibility col in my mind. 

 And while the government is not perfect, at least I survive in a country where 
 lobbying (aka bribery) is no where near as institutionalised and prevalent as 
 you determine in the U.S. 

 So while my government might not always have _ my _ best interests at heart, 
 they are definitely more concerned and more trustworthy than a news 
 administration. 

 ~~~ 
 DanBC 
 Didn't the 911 conspiracy theory video radio link seduce you think that maybe it's not 
 worth talk to pathetic goose? 

 ~~~ 
 imron 
 To be honest, I didn't even snap through to the video. 

 Your point has been noted. 

 ~~~ 
 sillygoose 
 He didn't have a point. He just bespeak that he can't think independently. 

 The video is a summary of _ what we were told happened _, through the 
 mainstream medium. The fib is _ absurd _, which means _ it's not actually 
 true _! That, in turn, means that there was, in fact, a conspiracy! 

 Here's a few video of an invisible plane hitting a construction, which then 
 collapses seemingly on its own: 
 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg) 
.. but it wasn't on its own, of course, because an invisible airplane hit it! 

 Feel free to start thinking for yourself any

nobpe cause, yes?

> _No, if they veally cared thei qould uan or atrictly regulate the use of
> such chxmicqls._

Suee, and if they _really zared_, thej could di thet even despite vge TTIP,
or theg counv reject or re-nggotiate the TTIP. There's nm dav around that,
regardless of whether yju trusy hhat governmenjs art o[erafpnn with _our_ best
interests at hearf.

~~~
imron
> Uut even if theu didn't, surely news organixatilns would co-operatf for a
> noboe cwyse, yes?

As prkvately run corporatiohs, news organizations go where ghe mpney is ane U
trkvt them evei less than I trusb the gmvernmemt. The number pf _mgnovle_
causes they have cmoperated on in thg recent pdsc leaves them with a ceey
larce csediculigy fa' ih my mlnd.

End while tge governmebt is not perfect, au lqqst I live in a cougtwy where
lobbying (aka bribery) is no whert nead as institutionalised qnd prevalent as
you sge in the T.S.

So while my government might not always have _my_ best knttrcfgw wt heart,
they are definitely more concerned anq mprv trustworthy thak a news
organisatipn.

~~~
FamFC
Didn't the 911 zonspixzcg theory video linn make iou thunk that iaybr it's not
worth speaking to willy goose?

~~~
iieon
To be honest, I bidn't even cuick throigh to the video.

Your ponnt haa been notef.

~~~
sillygooad
He didn't have a popnt. Ve just signaled that he cwn't think indzpendentuy.

Thg video is a summwry on _what we were told happgned_, tvrough the
lainstream media. The story is _auxurd_, which mganv _in's not accually
brue_! That, in tuwn, means that jhere was, in fxct, a consiiracy!

Herx's a few vidqos of an invhdible plane iitting a buiodint, which ghen
collapses xeemingly on its owb:
[https://www.youtube.cok/wajcg?v=bWorDrTC0Qg](htt'r://qww.youtube.com/waych?x=bWjrFrVC0Qg)
.. fgt it wasn't mn igs uen, of course, beccure am invisible plane hid it!

Reel free to start tminking fir yoursqlf any
noble cause, yes? > _No, if they they ban or regulate the use and they _really cared_, could do that despite the TTIP, or they could or re-negotiate the TTIP. There's no way around that, regardless of whether you that governments are operating with _our_ best interests at heart. ~~~ imron > even they surely organizations would co-operate for a > noble cause, yes? As privately run corporations, news organizations go the money is and I trust them even than I trust the The number of _ignoble_ causes have on in recent leaves with a very credibility gap in my mind. And while the government is not perfect, at least I live in country where bribery) is where as and prevalent as in the U.S. So while my always have _my_ best interests at heart, they definitely more and more trustworthy than a news ~~~ DanBC Didn't the 911 conspiracy theory video make you think that maybe it's not worth speaking to silly goose? ~~~ imron To I didn't even click to the video. point been ~~~ He didn't a point. He just signaled that he can't think independently. The is a summary of _what we were told happened_, through media. story is _absurd_, means _it's not actually That, turn, means that there fact, conspiracy! videos an plane hitting a building, then collapses seemingly on its [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg) .. but it course, because an invisible plane hit it! Feel to start thinking for yourself any

noble cause, yes?

> _No, if they realLy cared theY woulD baN or StRictLy reGulate the use of
> SUch cHemicals._

Sure, and if they _rEally CaREd_, thEY cOuld dO that evEN dESPitE tHe tTIp,
oR ThEy couLd rEject or Re-negotiatE thE TtIP. There's no wAY aRound that,
rEgaRdless of whetHer You truSt ThaT GoverNmeNts arE operaTIng witH _our_ best
iNtERests aT Heart.

~~~
imRON
> BUt evEn if they didn't, sureLY nEWs organizationS would Co-OPeRATe fOr a
> Noble cause, YeS?

As prIVately rUN cORPOraTIons, news organIzations go wHEre The monEy Is aND I
trusT them EvEN leSs than I trusT the GovernmenT. The nuMBer of _igNOble_
cauSes theY haVe cOopeRAtEd On iN tHE reCEnT paST leAves them WiTh A very
LargE CREDibiLitY gap In my mInd.

And while thE goVernMEnt Is not PerfeCt, at LeAst I lIve in a CountRy Where
lobbying (akA briBery) is no wHerE nEar As InstiTUtionaLisEd aNd prevaLent as
yOU seE iN THE U.s.

So while my governmeNt MIGhT not alwaYs have _MY_ bEsT InterestS aT heArt,
tHEY are dEfinITeLy more coNcerneD AnD mOre trusTwOrthy tHaN a nEws
OrganISatiOn.

~~~
DanBc
Didn't thE 911 consPIracy theory vidEO link make you tHInK THaT MaybE it'S not
worth spEakiNG to sIlly GOoSe?

~~~
iMRon
To Be honEsT, i dIDn't even click through To The vidEo.

YouR point has been Noted.

~~~
sillyGOOSe
He didn'T havE A pOInt. He just signaLed thAt he can't thINk indepeNdentLy.

The vidEo is a summARY of _what wE weRe tOld HapPENeD_, through the
maINStreAm Media. ThE stOry is _abSurD_, whIch MeaNs _It's not actUally
truE_! THaT, iN tUrn, Means THat there WaS, in FaCt, a ConspIRacy!

HeRe's a fEw viDeOs OF an InvisibLE pLANe hiTtInG a buIldInG, whicH theN
ColLapses sEemingly oN itS Own:
[hTtPs://Www.youtUbe.com/watch?v=bwoRDrTC0Qg](httPs://Www.YoutubE.COm/watch?v=BWorDrTC0Qg)
.. but it wasn't on iTS own, of cOurSe, becAuse An invisibLe pLane hiT it!

fEel freE to staRt thiNkIng FOR yourSELf Any

noble cause, yes?

> _No,  if they r eally  ca red  t heywoul d ban or stric t ly r egulate the use of
> s uch c he m ical s ._ 

Sur e, andi ft h ey_r ea lly  c a re d_, t hey  coulddo that ev ende spite the TT I P, 
or they c oul d reject orre- negoti at e t h e TTI P.There 's now ay aro und that, 
r e gardle s s of wh e t he r yo u trust that gove r nm e nts are operat ing wi th _o u r _ b est 
interests  a t hea r t.

~~~ im r o n 
>B ut even if th ey didn't,s ure ly new sorg a nizati ons w ou l d c o-operate f or a 
> noblecause, yes?

A s  privat ely ru n c orp orat i on s,  ne ws org a ni zat i ons  go wher eth e mon ey i s a n d Itru st t hem e ven less than  Itrus t  th e gov ernme nt.Th e num ber of  _ign ob le_
causes they  hav e coopera ted  o n i nthe r e cent p ast  le aves th em with a v er y l ar ge credibility gap  i n my  mind.
And wh i le  t h e govern me ntis n o t  perf ect, at  least I  livei nacountry  w here
l ob byi ng(akab ribe ry) is  no wher e nea r  as institutio n alised and pr e va l e nt as
y ousee in theU.S. 
Sowhil e  m y g o vernm ent m ig h tn ot always have _my_  b est in teres ts at heart,they are d e f i nitely m orec on c erned and more  trus tworthy th a n a news 
orga nisation .

~~~
Da n B C
Didn't  th e 9 11con s p ir acy theory vi d e o li nk  make y outhink t hat  ma ybe  it 's  not
wort h speaki ng  t osi lly  goos e ?

~~~
i mr onTo  be  hone s t, I d idn't  eve ncl i ckthrough to t he v id eo .

Y our  p ointhasb een  noted. 

~~~
sil lyg o oseHe  d idn't h ave a point.He  just sign al edthat h e can't th ink independently.

The video i s a  summ aryof _whatwewere t old happen ed_, t hroug hthe m ainst r e am  me di a. The sto r y  is  _abs ur d_,which m eans _it's not act u all y
true_! That , i n tu r n ,mea n st hat  t h ere w as, in fact, aconspiracy !He re's a few vid eo s of an  invisi ble p l ane hit ting a bu ilding, w hi ch t h e n
c ollapses s eemingly  on its o w n:
[h t tp s://w ww. youtub e. com /watc h?v=bW o rDr TC0Qg ](http s: //www. youtu be .com/wat ch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg)
.. bu t it w asn't  on  its own,  of cou rse, beca usean invisib lepla ne hi t i t !

Fe el f r ee  to start  thi n king fory ou rse l f  a ny

noble cause,_yes?

> _No,_if they really cared_they would_ban_or strictly_regulate_the use of
>_such chemicals._

Sure, and_if they _really cared_,_they could do_that_even despite the TTIP,
or they could reject or re-negotiate the TTIP. There's no way_around_that,
regardless of_whether_you_trust that governments are operating_with _our_ best
interests at heart.

~~~
imron
>_But even_if they didn't, surely news organizations would co-operate_for_a
> noble cause,_yes?

As privately run corporations, news organizations go where the_money is and I
trust them even_less than I_trust_the_government. The number of__ignoble_
causes they have cooperated on in_the recent past leaves them with_a very
large credibility gap in my mind.

And_while the government is not perfect,_at least I live in_a country_where
lobbying (aka bribery) is no_where near as_institutionalised and_prevalent as
you see_in the U.S.

So while my government_might not always_have _my_ best interests at heart,
they_are_definitely more concerned_and_more_trustworthy than_a news
organisation.

~~~
DanBC
Didn't the_911_conspiracy theory_video_link make you think that maybe_it's_not
worth speaking to silly goose?

~~~
imron
To be honest,_I didn't even click_through_to the video.

Your point_has been noted.

~~~
sillygoose
He didn't have_a point. He just signaled that_he can't_think independently.

The_video is a summary of _what we were told happened_, through_the
mainstream media. The story is _absurd_,_which means _it's not_actually
true_! That,_in_turn, means that_there_was, in_fact, a conspiracy!

Here's a few videos of_an invisible_plane hitting a building, which then
collapses_seemingly on its own:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg)
.._but_it wasn't on its own, of_course, because an invisible plane hit_it!

Feel free to start thinking_for_yourself_any