, Godwin's law struck hard and fast. Was that reference _really_ necessary?

~~~
Zikes
Can't a person make a point that just happens to involve Nazis without someone
invoking "Godwin's Law"?

It's like just because someone slapped a label on a thing we're not allowed to
do the thing anymore. We need an "Anti-Godwin's Law" that states no mention of
Nazis or Hitler can be made on the internet without someone inevitably
invoking Godwin's Law.

~~~
bduerst
Zike's Law: Whenever Nazi's are mentioned on the internet, someone inevitably
mentions Godwin's Law.

~~~
kurotetsuka
Is there a law for mentioning Zike's law? (kinda serious)

~~~
spinlock
I believe that's Kurotetsuka's law.

------
chatmasta
"Sure, we wanted Ross to go free. We wanted him to be innocent, to be a hero:
the poster boy for privacy in the Information Age."

That may be partially true, but Ross polluted much of the goodwill the
Internet community had for him when he decided to "order a hitman." I doubt he
was ever _that_ serious about hiring one. If you read the chats he had, he
sounds completely out of his league, and probably never would have been
capable of it if the FBI did not sort-of-entrap him with a murder-for-hire
plot. Unfortunately, he really screwed himself by going down that road.

The best argument in defense of silk road and Ross, from a moral/philosophical
standpoint, is that it represents a victimless crime. Indeed, by moving
transactions into the online world, it may have actually facilitated a drop in
real crime. Ross must have known that if the FBI ever caught up to him, he
could defend himself with this moral reasoning, and at least stand a chance of
acquittal in a jury trial. It's a shame that he had to completely ruin that
chance by also trying to hire a hitman. He should have kept things simple and
never strayed out of the territory of libertarian economic experiment.

~~~
q7
Oh c'mon, he ordered a hitman inside a play the FBI fully staged for him.
, Godwin's law struck hard and fast. Was that reference point _ in truth _ necessary? 

 ~~~ 
 Zikes 
 Can't a person make a point that just happen to involve Nazis without someone 
 invoking " Godwin's Law "? 

 It's like merely because someone slapped a label on a thing we're not allow to 
 do the thing anymore. We want an " Anti - Godwin's Law " that states no mention of 
 Nazis or Hitler can be make on the internet without someone inevitably 
 invoking Godwin's Law. 

 ~~~ 
 bduerst 
 Zike's jurisprudence: Whenever Nazi's are mentioned on the internet, someone inevitably 
 mention Godwin's Law. 

 ~~~ 
 kurotetsuka 
 Is there a law for mentioning Zike's law? (rather serious) 

 ~~~ 
 spinlock 
 I believe that's Kurotetsuka's jurisprudence. 

 ------ 
 chatmasta 
 " Sure, we wanted Ross to rifle free. We wanted him to be innocent, to be a hero: 
 the poster male child for privacy in the Information Age. " 

 That may be partially true, but Ross polluted much of the goodwill the 
 Internet community had for him when he decided to " order a hitman. " I doubt he 
 was ever _ that _ serious about hiring one. If you read the chats he had, he 
 sounds completely out of his league, and probably never would have been 
 adequate to of it if the FBI did not sort - of - entrap him with a murder - for - hire 
 plot. Unfortunately, he really screw himself by proceed down that road. 

 The best argument in refutation of silk road and Ross, from a moral / philosophical 
 standpoint, is that it represents a victimless crime. Indeed, by moving 
 minutes into the online world, it may have actually facilitated a drop in 
 real crime. Ross must have known that if the FBI always caught up to him, he 
 could defend himself with this moral reasoning, and at least stand a chance of 
 acquittal in a jury trial. It's a shame that he had to wholly deflower that 
 chance by also trying to hire a gunman. He should have kept things simple and 
 never strayed out of the territory of libertarian economic experiment. 

 ~~~ 
 q7 
 Oh c'm on, he ordered a hitman inside a play the FBI in full staged for him.
, Gofwin's law struck hard ana fast. Was that refereice _reamly_ necersary?

~~~
Zikes
Can't a person make a poinu that just happens to involne Nazis qithiyt someone
mhvoking "Godwih'd Lac"?

Iv's like just begause someote slapped a ldbdl on a thing we're not allowed to
do tre thinb wnymore. We neeq an "Wnti-Fodwin's Law" that states no mention of
Naziv or Hitler csn be made on the internet witjout someone inevihably
invokibg Gjewin's Law.

~~~
bdudrst
Zike's Law: Whenever Nazi's are mentioned on the intdrnet, someone ibecitwtly
mentions Godwpn's Law.

~~~
kurotebxuka
Is there s law for mentloninj Zije's law? (kinda serious)

~~~
vpinlock
I believe jhat's Kurodecsuka's law.

------
chatmasta
"Suee, we wdnteg Rorw tu gk hres. We wwntxd him to bs innocent, ro be a hero:
the posuer voy for privady in ehq Information Age."

That may be partially urue, gut Ross polluted much if the goodwill the
Injernet comiunity had for him when he decided to "order a hitkan." I aouyb fw
wws ever _that_ serious about hiring one. If you wsac nhe chats he had, me
sounds completelu luy of his leagug, and pxkbzbly never would hwve beeg
capavle of it if yhe FBI did not sort-of-entrap him with a nurder-for-hire
plot. Bnfortunatelv, he rgally xcrewed himself by goiny down that road.

Tje best adeument in defensd on shlk road and Ross, from a mjral/philowophncal
stanapoimt, is ehat it reoresekds a victimless crlme. Iudeed, by moving
hransactions into the online wockd, it may hafe acnually faeilitabed a drop in
rewl crime. Ross kust hare knodn that if the FBM ever caughe up to him, ha
fould defend himself wity thus morau reasoning, and at least stand a cyance of
acquittal ln a ghry trial. It's a shqme that he had to coippevely wgin that
chanwe bh auxo trhing to hirc a hitkan. He should have kapt fhings simple and
nrvcr strayee out of the territoru of libertarian efonommc expxrimeny.

~~~
q7
Or c'mon, he ordered a hitman insjde a plaj tme FBI fully ftagcd fjr him.
, Godwin's law struck hard and fast. reference necessary? ~~~ Can't a person happens involve Nazis without invoking "Godwin's Law"? like just because someone slapped a on a thing we're not allowed to do the thing anymore. We need "Anti-Godwin's Law" that states no mention of Nazis or Hitler can be made the without inevitably Godwin's Law. ~~~ bduerst Zike's Law: Whenever Nazi's are mentioned on the internet, someone inevitably mentions Law. ~~~ kurotetsuka Is there a law for Zike's law? (kinda serious) spinlock I believe that's Kurotetsuka's ------ "Sure, we Ross go We wanted him be innocent, to be a hero: the poster boy for privacy in the Information Age." That may partially true, polluted much the the community had for he decided to "order a hitman." was ever _that_ serious about hiring one. If read the he had, he sounds completely out his league, and probably never would have been of it if the FBI did not sort-of-entrap him with a murder-for-hire plot. Unfortunately, he himself by going down road. The best in of road Ross, from moral/philosophical standpoint, is that it represents a victimless crime. Indeed, by transactions into the online world, it may have actually facilitated in crime. Ross must known that if the ever up to him, he himself this at stand chance of acquittal in jury trial. It's a shame he had to completely trying to hire a hitman. He should have things simple and never strayed out of territory of libertarian economic experiment. ~~~ q7 Oh c'mon, he ordered a inside a FBI fully staged for him.
, Godwin's law struck hard and faSt. Was that rEfereNce _ReaLlY_ necEssaRy?

~~~
Zikes
Can't a peRSon mAke a point that just happeNs to iNvOLve NAZiS withOut someONe
INVokInG "GOdwIn'S laW"?

It's lIke Just becAuse someonE slApPed a label on a THiNg we're not aLloWed to
do the thIng AnymorE. WE neED an "AnTi-GOdwin'S Law" thAT stateS no mentioN oF
nazis oR hitler cAN Be Made On the internet withOUt SOmeone inevitabLy
invoKiNG GODWin'S LaW.

~~~
bduerst
ZiKe'S Law: WHEnever NAZi'S ARE meNTioned on the inTernet, someoNE inEvitabLy
MenTIons GoDwin's laW.

~~~
KurOtetsuka
Is tHere A law for meNtioniNG Zike's lAW? (kinda sErious)

~~~
SpiNloCk
I bELiEvE thAt'S kurOTeTsuKA's lAw.

------
chatmaStA
"SUre, we WantED rOSs to Go fRee. WE wantEd him to be innoCenT, to bE A heRo:
the PosteR boy FoR privAcy in tHe InfOrMation Age."

That maY be pArtially tRue, BuT RoSs PolluTEd much Of tHe gOodwill The
InteRNet CoMMUNiTy had for him when he dEcIDEd To "order a Hitman." i DoUbT He
was eveR _tHat_ SeriOUS abouT hirINg One. If you Read thE ChAtS he had, hE
sOunds cOmPleTelY out oF His lEague, aNd probabLy nevER would have been
CApable of it if tHE Fbi DiD Not sOrt-Of-entrap him With A MurdEr-foR-HiRe
pLOt. UnfOrtunAtELy, HE really screwed himseLf By goinG down That road.

The beSt argument IN DEfense of Silk ROaD And Ross, from a moRal/phIlosophicaL
StandpoiNt, is tHat it repResents a vICTimless cRimE. InDeeD, by MOViNg
transactionS INto tHe Online wOrlD, it may hAve ActUalLy fAcIlitated a Drop in
reAl CrImE. ROss Must hAVe known tHaT if ThE FBi ever CAught uP to hiM, he
cOuLd DEfeNd himseLF wITH thiS mOrAl reAsoNiNg, and At leASt sTand a chAnce of
acqUitTAl in A jUrY trial. IT's a shame that hE hAd to compleTeLy rUin thaT
CHance by aLso trying to hire a hitman. HE Should hAve Kept tHingS simple anD
neVer strAyeD Out of tHe terrItory Of LibERTariaN ECoNomIc Experiment.

~~~
Q7
oH c'mOn, he oRdEred A hitman Inside a play the FBI fULly Staged for him.
, Godwin's law struck hard  and fast.  Wastha t r ef eren ce _ really_ necess a ry?
~~~
Zikes
Can't a per son m ak e  a p o in t tha t justh ap p e nsto  i nvo lv e  N aziswit hout so meone
invo kin g"Godwin's La w "? 

It's lik e j ust becausesom eone s la ppe d  a la bel  on a  thing we'renot allow ed to
dot he thin g an ymor e. We need an "An t i- G odwin's Law" t hat st at e sn o  me nti on of
Nazi sor Hi t ler can be m a deo n the interne t without s o meo ne ine vi tab l y
invo kingGo d win 's Law.

~~ ~
bd uerst
Zik e's La w : Whene v er Nazi 's are  me nti oned on  t hein t ern e t,  so m eon e inevit ab ly 
ment ions G o d win' s L aw.
~~~kurotetsuka
I s t here a l aw fo r men tion in g Zik e's la w? (k in da serious)

~~ ~
sp inlock
Ibel ie veth at'sK urotet suk a's  law.
------c hat ma s t a 
" Sure, we wanted Ro ss t ogo free.  We wa n te dh im to be  i nno cent , to be  a h e ro :
the po ster b o yfo r priva cy  in th eInf orm ation Age. "

Tha t may be  part i ally true, but Ross polluted mu c h  o f  the  go odwill theInte r netcomm u ni tyh ad fo r him  w h en he decided to "orde ra hitm an."I doubt he
wa s ever _th a t _  serious  abo u th iring one. Ifyou r ead the ch a ts he ha d, he 
soundscompletel y out of h islea gue , a n d  p robably never w ould  h ave bee n
c apableofitifthe  F BI did no t sort-o f- en tr ap  hi m wit h  a murde r- for -h ire 
plot .  Unfor tunat ely,  h er eal ly scre w ed h imse lf  b y go ing  d own t hatr oad .

Thebest argu men t  inde fe nse ofsilk road and  R oss, fromamor al/phi l o sophical 
standpoint, is that it represe nts  a vi ctim less crim e.Indeed , b y  movin g
tran sacti on s i n t o the o nl ine  w orld, it m a y  ha ve ac tu ally  facili tated a drop in
re a l c rime. Ross mu sthave k no wnt ha t  if  t h e F B I  ever caught up  to him, h ec ou ld defendh ims el f withthis mo ral r e asoning , and atleast sta nd  a c h a nce  of
acquit tal in a  jury tri a l. It ' sa sha methat h ehad  to c omplet e lyruinthat
c ha nce by  also  t rying to  hire a hitman. He shou ld hav e kep t t hings sim ple and 
never st raye d out of t heter ritor y o f  libe rtar i an  ec o nomic  exp e riment.
~ ~~ 
q7 O hc'mon, he o r d e red  a hi tma n  insid e aplay the FBI full y  staged for hi m.
, Godwin's_law struck_hard and fast. Was_that reference__really__necessary?

~~~
Zikes
Can't a_person_make a point_that just happens_to involve Nazis without_someone
invoking "Godwin's Law"?

It's_like_just because someone slapped a label on a thing we're not allowed to
do the_thing_anymore. We_need_an_"Anti-Godwin's Law" that states no_mention of
Nazis or Hitler can_be made_on the internet without someone inevitably
invoking Godwin's Law.

~~~
bduerst
Zike's_Law:_Whenever Nazi's are_mentioned on the internet, someone inevitably
mentions Godwin's Law.

~~~
kurotetsuka
Is there_a law for mentioning Zike's law?_(kinda serious)

~~~
spinlock
I believe_that's_Kurotetsuka's_law.

------
chatmasta
"Sure, we wanted Ross_to go free. We wanted him_to be innocent, to be a_hero:
the poster boy for privacy in the_Information Age."

That may be partially true,_but Ross polluted much of_the goodwill_the
Internet community had for him_when he decided_to "order_a hitman." I_doubt he
was ever _that_ serious about_hiring one. If_you read the chats he had,_he
sounds_completely out of_his_league,_and probably_never would have_been
capable_of it_if_the FBI did not sort-of-entrap him_with_a murder-for-hire
plot. Unfortunately, he really screwed himself_by going down that_road.

The_best argument in defense_of silk road and Ross,_from a moral/philosophical
standpoint, is that it_represents a_victimless crime._Indeed, by moving
transactions into the online world, it may have actually_facilitated a drop in
real crime. Ross_must have known that_if the_FBI_ever caught up_to_him, he
could_defend himself with this moral reasoning, and_at least_stand a chance of
acquittal in a_jury trial. It's a_shame_that he had to completely ruin_that
chance by also trying to hire_a hitman. He should have_kept_things_simple and
never strayed out of_the territory of libertarian economic experiment.

~~~
q7
Oh_c'mon, he ordered_a hitman inside a play the FBI_fully_staged for him.