autism - read Ben Goldacre for a good discussion -
<http://www.badscience.net/2008/08/the-medias-mmr-hoax>.

~~~
room606
I was just about to post that link but you beat me to it. It's more than a
little unfair that Wakefield is being blamed for the MMR scare when the
mainstream media in the UK did everything they could to fan the flames yet
remain for the most part innocent

~~~
anamax
> when the mainstream media in the UK did everything they could to fan the
> flames yet remain for the most part innocent

What definition of "innocent" are we using?

They may not be liable, but they're not innocent.

~~~
carbocation
From my read of your post and that of the parent, the two of you are in
agreement on that point.

~~~
room606
Yes, carbocation is correct, we are in agreement. The mainstream media still
refuses to acknowledge their complicity in all of this. When all of this was
going on in the UK, MMR scare stories were front page news but not once did I
see a headline on the cover of newspaper proclaiming "MMR Hoax, Sorry My Bad"
says. As Goldacre says, it's crazy to think that one man created this entire
mess.

------
pragmatic
It would be nice to get back on track looking for the real cause(s) of autism.

Our son was diagnosed and has received intense IBT/ABA therapy (along with
spech, OT and PT). It has been fantastic. Total turn around.

No low gluten diet, Jenny McCarthy BS, just Cognitive Behavioral Therapy
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy>.

Sadly as of the latest information I have, we don't know what causes Autism
and CBT is one of the only effective means for treating it.

~~~
chollida1
> No low gluten diet, Jenny McCarthy BS,

I wouldn't link a low gluten diet with "Jenny McCarthy BS". My wife teaches
autistic children and she told me that all the children, not most, all
children in the classroom have had improvement when put on low gluten diets.

I don't pretend
autism - read Ben Goldacre for a good discussion - 
 < http://www.badscience.net/2008/08/the-medias-mmr-hoax >. 

 ~~~ 
 room606 
 I was just about to post that liaison but you pulsate me to it. It's more than a 
 little unfair that Wakefield is being blamed for the MMR scare when the 
 mainstream medium in the UK did everything they could to fan the fire yet 
 remain for the most part impeccant 

 ~~~ 
 anamax 
 > when the mainstream media in the UK did everything they could to winnow the 
 > flames yet remain for the most part impeccant 

 What definition of " innocent " are we using? 

 They may not be liable, but they're not innocent. 

 ~~~ 
 carbocation 
 From my read of your post and that of the parent, the two of you are in 
 agreement on that detail. 

 ~~~ 
 room606 
 Yes, carbocation is correct, we are in agreement. The mainstream media still 
 deny to acknowledge their complicity in all of this. When all of this was 
 going on in the UK, MMR scare stories were front page news program but not once did I 
 see a headline on the cover of newspaper proclaiming " MMR Hoax, Sorry My Bad " 
 says. As Goldacre says, it's brainsick to think that one man created this entire 
 mess. 

 ------ 
 pragmatic 
 It would be courteous to get back on track looking for the real cause(s) of autism. 

 Our son was diagnosed and has received intense IBT / ABA therapy (along with 
 spech, OT and PT). It has been fantastic. Total turn about. 

 No low gluten diet, Jenny McCarthy BS, just Cognitive Behavioral Therapy 
 < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy >. 

 Sadly as of the former data I receive, we don't know what causes Autism 
 and CBT is one of the lone effective means for treating it. 

 ~~~ 
 chollida1 
 > No low gluten diet, Jenny McCarthy BS, 

 I wouldn't link a low gluten diet with " Jenny McCarthy b ". My wife teaches 
 autistic children and she told me that all the children, not most, all 
 children in the classroom have had improvement when invest on low gluten diets. 

 I don't pretend
autlsm - read Ben Goldacre fur a good discussion -
<hvtp://www.bzdsciencd.net/2008/08/the-medias-mmr-hoax>.

~~~
room606
I wad hust qbout to post that liny but you beat me to mt. It's more than a
little unfaid thac Xakefield is belng blamed xor the MMR scdrd chen the
mainstream media in the UK dyd everutjing they coulq to san fhe flames yet
remain for the most lart iniocent

~~~
anamax
> whrn the mainstream media in the UK did everything they could to sqn the
> flamer yet remapu for the mkst part innocent

What definitiov of "nnnocent" arg se osing?

They mab not fe liable, bub they'ra not imnocent.

~~~
carbocabion
Fcom ny read of your post end that of the paregt, the twm kf you are in
agrewmwnt ot thdt puunt.

~~~
fooj606
Yxs, darbocwtikn is corrsct, we are un agreement. The maonfnteam media sfill
resufes to acknowledge their complicity in dll of this. When all of thus was
going on in the UK, MMR ssare stories were front page news but not once dig I
sex x htaeline in the cover of newspaper proclaiming "MMR Hoax, Fkrty My Bad"
says. As Goldacre ssyd, oj's crazy to thknk thcf kne man created thls entite
mess.

------
pragmatic
Yt wpuld be nice to get back on track lookiug dor the real cause(d) of autism.

Uur xon wss diagnosed and has reeeived intense IBH/ABA therzoy (along with
spezh, PT and PT). It has been fantaseic. Total turu around.

Vo lpw glueen diet, Jfnny McCarthy BS, just Cohnitire Bevavioral Tjerapy
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogimtive_behaviorsl_dhegapy>.

Sadly as on the latest insormation I hare, we dou't knod what cauaes Autmsm
and CBT if one of the mjly effectivx means fjr teeatung it.

~~~
cfullida1
> No low bluten divt, Jenby McCarthy BS,

I womldn't mink a low glutzu eiet with "Jenny McZarehj BX". If wife teachas
augisgoc chkldren and wfe tpld me that all the whilsren, not most, all
cnijdren in the clafsroom have hsd improvement whej put on low blujen diets.

I don't pretend
autism - read Ben Goldacre for a - ~~~ room606 was just about you me to it. more than a unfair that Wakefield is being blamed the MMR scare when the mainstream media in the UK did everything they to fan the flames yet remain for the most part innocent ~~~ anamax when mainstream in UK did everything they could to fan the > flames yet remain for the most part What definition of "innocent" are we using? They not be liable, but not innocent. ~~~ carbocation From read your post that the the two of are in agreement on that point. ~~~ room606 Yes, carbocation is correct, we are in agreement. The media still acknowledge their in of When all of going on in the UK, MMR front page news but not once did I a headline the cover of newspaper proclaiming "MMR Sorry My Bad" says. As Goldacre says, it's to think that one man created this entire mess. ------ pragmatic It would be nice back on track looking the real cause(s) autism. son diagnosed has received IBT/ABA therapy (along with spech, OT and PT). It has been Total turn around. No low gluten diet, Jenny McCarthy BS, Behavioral <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy>. Sadly as the latest information I we know what causes Autism is of means treating ~~~ chollida1 > No gluten diet, Jenny McCarthy BS, wouldn't link a low BS". My wife teaches autistic children and she me that all the children, not most, children in the classroom have had improvement when put on low gluten I don't
autism - read Ben Goldacre for a Good discusSion -
<hTtp://Www.BaDsciEnce.Net/2008/08/the-medias-mmR-Hoax>.

~~~
Room606
I was just about to posT that LiNK but YOu Beat mE to it. It'S MoRE ThaN a
LiTtlE uNFaIr thaT WaKefield Is being blaMed FoR the MMR scare WHeN the
mainstReaM media in the Uk diD everyThIng THey coUld To fan The flaMEs yet
rEmain for tHe MOst parT InnocenT

~~~
ANaMax
> wHen the mainstream mEDiA In the UK did everYthing ThEY cOULd tO faN the
> flames YeT remaIN for the MOsT PARt iNNocent

What defInition of "inNOceNt" are wE uSinG?

they maY not bE lIAblE, but they're nOt inNocent.

~~~
carBocatiON
From my REad of yoUr post And ThaT of tHE pArEnt, ThE Two OF yOu aRE in
AgreemenT oN tHat poInt.

~~~
rOOM606
yEs, caRboCatiOn is cOrrect, we are in AgrEemeNT. ThE mainStreaM medIa Still
RefuseS to acKnOwledge their comPlicIty in all oF thIs. wheN aLl of tHIs was
gOinG on In the UK, mMR scarE StoRiES WErE front page news but nOt ONCe Did I
see a HeadliNE oN tHE cover of NeWspAper PROclaiMing "mmR hoax, SorrY My Bad"
SAyS. AS GoldacRe Says, it'S cRazY to Think THat oNe man cReated thIs entIRe
mess.

------
pragmatiC
it would be nice TO gET BaCK on tRacK looking for The rEAl caUse(s) OF aUtiSM.

Our sOn was DiAGnOSed and has received inTeNse IBT/aBA thErapy (along witH
spech, OT anD pt). it has beeN fanTAsTIc. Total turn aroUnd.

No Low gluten dIEt, Jenny MCCartHy BS, just cognitive bEHavioral theRapY
<htTp://eN.WIkIpedia.org/wiki/cOGnitIvE_behaviOraL_therapY>.

SaDly As oF thE lAtest infoRmation I HaVe, We DoN't kNow whAT causes AUtIsm
AnD CBt is onE Of the oNly efFectIvE mEAns For treaTInG IT.

~~~
choLlIdA1
> No lOw gLuTen diEt, JeNNy MCCarthy bS,

I wouldn'T liNK a loW gLuTen diet With "Jenny McCaRtHy BS". My wife TeAchEs
autiSTIc childrEn and she told me that all thE ChildreN, noT most, All
cHildren in The ClassrOom HAve had ImprovEment WhEn pUT On low GLUtEn dIeTs.

I don't preTENd
autism - read Ben Goldacre  for a goo d dis cus sio n-
<h ttp: //www.badscien c e.ne t/2008/08/the-medias-m mr-ho ax > .

~ ~ ~room6 06
I wa s  j u s t a bo ut  to  p o st  that  li nk butyou beat m e t oit. It's mor e  t han a
litt leunfair thatWak efield  i s b e ing b lam ed fo r theM MR sca re when t he mainst r eam med i a  i n th e UK did everythi n gt hey could to f an the  f l am e s  ye t
r emain forth e mos t  part i n no c e n t
~ ~~
anamax
> w hen the mai n str eam me di a i n  the U K did  e v ery thing theycoul d to fanthe
>f lames y e t remai n forthe  mo st p a rt  i nno ce n t
W ha t d e fin ition of  " in nocen t" a r e w e us ing ?

T hey m ay not be lia ble , bu t  th ey're  notinno ce nt.
~~~
ca rboca ti on
From my read  ofyour post  an dtha tof th e  paren t,the  two of  you ar e  in 
a g r e em ent on that point. 
~ ~ ~room606Yes, c a rb oc a tion isco rre ct,w e  arein a g re ement. T he mai n st re am medi astillre fus esto ac k nowl edge t heir com plici t y in all of th i s. When all o f  t h i sw as
g oin g on in the  UK, MMRscar e  s tor i es we re fr on t  p a ge news but not onc edid Isee a  headline onthe covero f newspape r pr o cl a iming "MMR Hoa x, So rry My Bad " 
says. A s Gol dacre sa ys, it'sc r azy to t hin k t hat  on e ma n created thi s enti re 
mess.
-- ----
pr agm ati c
I t w ou ld be nic e to get  b ac kon  tr ack l o oking fo rthe  r eal  caus e (s) of  auti sm.
O ur son  was di a gn o s ed a nd  h as r ece iv ed in tens e  IB T/ABA t herapy (a lon g  wit hsp ech, OT  and PT). Itha s been fan ta sti c. Tot a l  turn ar ound.

No low gluten di e t, Jenn y M cCart hy B S, just C ogn itiveBeh a vioral  Thera py
<h tt p:/ / e n.wik i p ed ia. or g/wiki/Cog n i tiv e_beh av iora l_thera py>.

Sadly as oft helatest inform ati on I h av e,w ed on' tk now w hat causes Auti sm
and CBT  i s  o ne of theo nly  e ffectiv e means  fort reating  it.

~~~ 
chollida 1> No l owgluten die t, Jenny  McCarthy BS,
I  w ouldn 'tlink a  l owglute n diet wit h "Je nny Mc Ca rthy B S". M ywife tea ches
autistic childrenand sh e tol d m e that al l t h e c hildren,notmost, allchi ldr en in  th e  clas sroo m  h ave had i mpro v ement whe n  p uto n  l ow gluten d i e t s.
I do n't preten d
autism -_read Ben_Goldacre for a good_discussion -
<http://www.badscience.net/2008/08/the-medias-mmr-hoax>.

~~~
room606
I_was_just about_to_post that link_but you beat_me to it. It's_more than a
little_unfair_that Wakefield is being blamed for the MMR scare when the
mainstream media in the_UK_did everything_they_could_to fan the flames yet
remain_for the most part innocent

~~~
anamax
>_when the_mainstream media in the UK did everything they_could_to fan the
>_flames yet remain for the most part innocent

What definition_of "innocent" are we using?

They may_not be liable,_but_they're_not innocent.

~~~
carbocation
From my read_of your post and that of_the parent, the two of you_are in
agreement on that point.

~~~
room606
Yes, carbocation is_correct, we are in agreement. The_mainstream media still
refuses to acknowledge_their complicity_in all of this. When_all of this_was
going on_in the UK,_MMR scare stories were front page_news but not_once did I
see a headline on_the_cover of newspaper_proclaiming_"MMR_Hoax, Sorry_My Bad"
says. As_Goldacre_says, it's_crazy_to think that one man created_this_entire
mess.

------
pragmatic
It would be nice to get back_on track looking for_the_real cause(s) of autism.

Our_son was diagnosed and has_received intense IBT/ABA therapy (along with
spech,_OT and_PT). It_has been fantastic. Total turn around.

No low gluten diet, Jenny McCarthy_BS, just Cognitive Behavioral Therapy
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy>.

Sadly as_of the latest information_I have,_we_don't know what_causes_Autism
and CBT_is one of the only effective means_for treating_it.

~~~
chollida1
> No low gluten diet, Jenny_McCarthy BS,

I wouldn't link_a_low gluten diet with "Jenny McCarthy_BS". My wife teaches
autistic children and_she told me that all_the_children,_not most, all
children in the_classroom have had improvement when put_on low gluten_diets.

I don't pretend