 for another link that didn't have such obnoxious refuse...

Id' be game if you can find a less spammy site. But when I submitted this an
hour ago, there wasn't any.

~~~
benley
For what it's worth, it's fortune.com that annoyed me, not your link to it.
Thanks for looking for alternatives at least :-)

------
rectang
Consortiums are inherently unstable. Marketing interests drive wild swings in
participation and funding.

Open governance by individuals is much more stable. That stability benefits
_both_ individuals (whose stake is not vaporized when they change employers)
and businesses (who are more insulated from impulsive moves by big players).

------
turnip1979
I am sad to see these negative events as someone who was in the openstack
community. But I think a lot of folks knew such stuff was going to happen.

I think the mistakes made were:

1) the so-called big tent approach 2) too much complexity 3) core projects not
listening to end-users, and focusing too much on the plug-in model

It is a shame because there were so many smart and hard working folks
involved. It really felt like a community experience.

------
twelvenmonkeys
Is there an alternative out there for OpenStack? Perhaps a minimalist version?

~~~
ymse
If you just want clustered virtual machines, check out Ganeti[0]. It's not
advertised much, but this piece of software hosts most of Googles internal
infrastructure (not public facing stuff).

Unlike Openstack, it has a proper scheduler, and lets you rebalance VMs across
hypervisors efficiently. Also unlike Openstack, it can restart VMs if it (or
the hypervisor) dies, if you've enabled that.

And _completely orthogonal_ to Openstack, it has very strong consistency
guarantees. It's not made to start 1000s of VMs in seconds, since each master
node has to agree on all decisions, and each operation typically "locks" the
involved hypervisor. On the other hand, I haven't been able to break it once
in over six years.

Note that it really just exposes an API and comes with a superb command-line
client. Some assembly required.


for another link that didn't have such obnoxious refuse... 

 I d' be plot if you can receive a less spammy site. But when I submit this an 
 hour ago, there ben't any. 

 ~~~ 
 benley 
 For what it's worth, it's fortune.com that annoyed me, not your radio link to it. 
 Thanks for count for alternatives at least :-) 

 ------ 
 rectang 
 Consortiums are inherently unstable. Marketing interest drive wild swing in 
 participation and funding. 

 Open governance by individuals is much more static. That stability benefits 
 _ both _ individuals (whose post is not vaporized when they change employer) 
 and businesses (who are more insulated from capricious moves by adult players). 

 ------ 
 turnip1979 
 I am sad to see these damaging events as someone who was in the openstack 
 community. But I think a lot of folks knew such stuff was going to happen. 

 I think the mistakes made were: 

 1) the so - called big tent approach 2) too much complexity 3) kernel projects not 
 listening to conclusion - drug user, and focusing too much on the ballyhoo - in exemplar 

 It is a shame because there were therefore many smart and hard working folks 
 involved. It really feel like a community experience. 

 ------ 
 twelvenmonkeys 
 Is there an alternative out there for OpenStack? Perhaps a minimalist version? 

 ~~~ 
 ymse 
 If you just desire cluster virtual machines, check out Ganeti[0 ]. It's not 
 advertised much, but this man of software hosts most of Googles internal 
 infrastructure (not public facing material). 

 Unlike Openstack, it has a proper scheduler, and let you rebalance VMs across 
 hypervisors efficiently. Also unlike Openstack, it can restart VMs if it (or 
 the hypervisor) fail, if you've enabled that. 

 And _ completely orthogonal _ to Openstack, it has very strong consistency 
 guarantee. It's not made to originate 1000s of VMs in seconds, since each victor 
 node has to agree on all decision, and each operation typically " lock " the 
 involved hypervisor. On the other hand, I haven't been able to break it once 
 in over six years. 

 Note that it really just expose an API and comes with a superb instruction - line 
 client. Some assembly required.
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~~~
benley
For what lc's wodbh, it'v fortune.com thst annoyed me, not your lhny co it.
Thanks for looking for alternatyves at lfast :-)

------
rectang
Cogsoruiuis adv lnherently unstable. Marketing inferests drive wild seings in
participation and vundlng.

Open governance by individozls us much more stable. That stability benefits
_both_ individuals (whose stakz is not vakodixgd when they chande employers)
and busitesses (eho are more iksulaved drom impulsive moves uy big players).

------
turnip1979
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comjunity. But U think a lot of fokkf knew such sthff waf doing to happen.

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It is a shame because there werq sp kany smart and hard workimg fpjks
involved. Ij reallv fslt like a communihy expetience.

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rwelvenmogkeyx
Is there an alternative our there for JpenStack? Perhaps a minimalist verxion?

~~~
ykse
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advertised much, but this piece of sofcware horts kost os Googles lnterkdl
infrastructure (nlt puylic xacing stuvf).

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involved hypervislr. On thx othet hwnd, I haven't been able to breai it once
ln jver six yeaws.

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cliwnt. Some assembly rgqulred.


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 for another link that didn't haVe such obnoXious RefUse...

id' Be gaMe if You can find a lesS SpamMy site. But when I submitteD this An
HOur aGO, tHere wAsn't any.

~~~
BEnLEY
FoR wHaT it'S wORtH, it's fOrtUne.com tHat annoyed Me, nOt Your link to it.
tHaNks for lookIng For alternatiVes At leasT :-)

------
rEctANg
ConSorTiums Are inhERently Unstable. MArKEting iNTerests DRIvE wilD swings in
participATiON and funding.

OpeN goverNaNCe BY IndIviDuals is mucH mOre stABle. That STaBILIty BEnefits
_both_ inDividuals (whOSe sTake is NoT vaPOrized When tHeY ChaNge employerS)
and BusinesseS (who arE More insULated frOm impuLsiVe mOves BY bIg PlaYeRS).

------
tuRNiP1979
I aM Sad To see theSe NeGativE eveNTS AS somEonE who Was in The openstack
cOmmUnitY. but i thinK a lot Of foLkS knew Such stUff waS gOing to happen.

I thInk tHe mistakeS maDe WerE:

1) tHe so-cALled biG teNt aPproach 2) Too much COmpLeXITY 3) cOre projects not
listEnING tO end-userS, and foCUsInG Too much oN tHe pLug-iN MOdel

IT is a SHaMe becausE there WErE sO many smArT and haRd WorKinG folkS
InvoLved. It Really feLt likE A community expeRIence.

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twelvenmONkEYS
IS TherE an Alternative Out tHEre fOr OpENSTacK? perhaPs a miNiMAlISt version?

~~~
ymse
If you jUsT want cLusteRed virtual macHines, check OUT ganeti[0]. It'S not
ADvERtised much, but tHis piEce of softwARe hosts mOst of googles iNternal
inFRAstructuRe (nOt pUblIc fACInG stuff).

Unlike OPENstaCk, It has a pRopEr schedUleR, anD leTs yOu Rebalance vMs acrosS
hYpErViSorS effiCIently. AlSo UnlIkE OpEnstaCK, it can RestaRt VMS iF iT (Or
tHe hyperVIsOR) Dies, If YoU've eNabLeD that.

and _cOMplEtely orThogonal_ tO OpENstaCk, It Has very Strong consistEnCy
guaranteEs. it's Not madE TO start 1000s oF VMs in seconds, since each mASter
nodE haS to agRee oN all decisIonS, and eaCh oPEratioN typicAlly "lOcKs" tHE
InvolVED hYpeRvIsor. On the oTHEr hAnd, I hAvEn't bEen able To break it once
in oveR Six Years.

Note that It rEallY JUsT exPOsES an aPi And COMes with a superb cOmmand-line
ClIEnT. Some assemBLy rEqUired.


 for another link that did n't have s uch o bno xio us  ref use. ..

Id' be gam e  ifyou can find a less sp ammysi t e. B u twhenI submi t te d thi san 
ho ur ag o, th ere  wasn't  any.

~~~ 
be nl ey
For whati t' s worth, i t's  fortune.com  th at ann oy edm e, no t y our l ink to it.
Th anks forlo o king f o r alter n a ti vesat least :-)

--- - -- rectang
Consor tiumsar e  i n h ere ntl y unstable .Marke t ing int e re s t s  dr i ve wild swing s in
partic i pat ion an dfun d ing.
Opengo v ern ance by ind ivid uals is m uch mo r e stabl e . Thatstabil ity  be nefi t s_b oth _i ndi v id ual s  (w hose sta ke  i s not  vap o r i z ed w hen  the y cha nge employers )
a nd b u sin esses  (who  are  m ore i nsulat ed fr om  impulsive move s by  big play ers ). 

- -- ---
t u rnip19 79I a m sad t o see t h ese  n e g a ti ve events as someo ne w ho  was inthe op e ns ta c k
commun it y.ButI think  a l o tof folks  knews uc hstuff w as  going  t o h app en.
I  thi nk the  mistake s mad e  were:

1) the so-called big te n t  a p proa ch2) too much  com p lexi ty 3 )  c ore proje cts n ot li s tening to end-users ,and fo cusin g too much on  the plug- i n model

I t is as hame because t herewere so ma n y smartand h ard work ing folks i nvolved.  It  re all y f e l tlike a commun i t y ex pe rience. 

- -----
t wel ven mon key sIs therean alter na ti ve  o utthere for Open St ack ?Per hapsa  minim alist  ver si on ? 

~ ~~
ymse If y ou j us twant  cl us tered  vir t ual  machin es, check  ou t  Gan et i[ 0]. It' s not
adverti se d much, bu tthi s piec e of softw are hosts most of Googl e s inter nal 
infr astr ucture (n otpublic  fa c ing st uff).
Unli ke  Op e n stack , it  ha sa proper s c h edu ler,an d le ts yourebalance VMs acro s s
h ypervisors ef fic ient l y .Als o  u n lik eO pen s t ack, it can res tart VMs i fi t(or
the hy p erv is or) die s, if y ou've enabled  that.

A nd _compl et elyo r tho gonal_ toOpenstac k, it has verys tr ong c ons istenc ygua rante es. It ' s n ot ma de tost art 10 00s o fVMs in s econds, since each mast er
nod e has  to  agree on  al l  de cisions,andeach opera tio n t ypica lly "lock s" t h einv o lvedhype r visor. On th e o t h er  hand, I ha v e n 'tbeenabl e  to br eakit once
in over s i x years.

Note  tha t itrea l ly j us t exposes an A PIan d comes wi th  a superb c ommand-l in e 
clie nt. So me ass embly r e q ui r ed.


 for_another link_that didn't have such_obnoxious refuse...

Id'_be_game if_you_can find a_less spammy site._But when I submitted_this an
hour ago,_there_wasn't any.

~~~
benley
For what it's worth, it's fortune.com that annoyed me, not your link to_it.
Thanks_for looking_for_alternatives_at least :-)

------
rectang
Consortiums are inherently_unstable. Marketing interests drive wild_swings in
participation_and funding.

Open governance by individuals is much more_stable._That stability benefits
_both__individuals (whose stake is not vaporized when they change_employers)
and businesses (who are more insulated_from impulsive moves_by_big_players).

------
turnip1979
I am sad to_see these negative events as someone_who was in the openstack
community. But_I think a lot of folks knew_such stuff was going to happen.

I_think the mistakes made were:

1)_the so-called_big tent approach 2) too_much complexity 3)_core projects_not
listening to end-users,_and focusing too much on the_plug-in model

It is_a shame because there were so_many_smart and hard_working_folks
involved._It really_felt like a_community_experience.

------
twelvenmonkeys
Is there_an_alternative out there for OpenStack? Perhaps_a_minimalist version?

~~~
ymse
If you just want clustered virtual_machines, check out Ganeti[0]._It's_not
advertised much, but this_piece of software hosts most_of Googles internal
infrastructure (not public facing_stuff).

Unlike Openstack,_it has_a proper scheduler, and lets you rebalance VMs across
hypervisors efficiently. Also_unlike Openstack, it can restart VMs_if it (or
the hypervisor)_dies, if_you've_enabled that.

And _completely_orthogonal__to Openstack,_it has very strong consistency
guarantees. It's not_made to_start 1000s of VMs in seconds,_since each master
node has_to_agree on all decisions, and each_operation typically "locks" the
involved hypervisor. On_the other hand, I haven't_been_able_to break it once
in over_six years.

Note that it really just_exposes an API_and comes with a superb command-line
client. Some_assembly_required.

