 the Pompey early in the Civil War, and
was one of Caesar's chief opponents during his African campaign.

As an interesting note, it seems Labienus likely defected from Caesar for two
reasons:

1\. At the beginning of the Civil War it looked extremely unlikely Caesar
would win.

2\. Labienus felt as though Caesar took more credit than he ought to have in
the Gallic Wars, depriving him of his "auctoritas" (sort of prestige) he felt
he rightfully deserved.

Caesar's skilled defeat of Pompey and Labienus show his military skill outside
of his use of good commanders.

~~~
fapjacks
I hope you see this after all this time. Do you have a trailhead to lend me so
I can read about this instance of not having to leave his tent to give
commands? I have never heard this before and it's very interesting to me.

------
omalleyt
It's a symptom of postmodernism that nowhere in this text is it even suggested
that Tacitus is maybe just, you know, relating the facts about Germancius as
accurately as he can.

Instead we're sitting here quibbling over what literary fiction trope
"Tacitus's Germanicus" fulfills in his "story"

~~~
benbreen
Reading texts critically, thinking about the context that produced them, and
debating the author's rhetorical strategies has a lot more to do with
Renaissance humanism than with postmodernism. Simply reading all historical
texts with the expectation that the author meant to tell the facts and nothing
but leads to the acceptance of frauds like the Donation of Constantine:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine)

~~~
omalleyt
Well, it's not like I wholly disagree with what you're saying, but I think the
paragraph above is a straw man of what I'm saying.

First, here is the element of Postmodern discourse I'm talking about:

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction)

Second, my complaint is that it's
the Pompey early in the Civil War, and 
 was one of Caesar's chief opponents during his African campaign. 

 As an interesting note, it seem Labienus probably defected from Caesar for two 
 reasons: 

 1\. At the beginning of the Civil War it look highly unlikely Caesar 
 would win. 

 2\. Labienus felt as though Caesar take more credit than he ought to have in 
 the Gallic Wars, deprive him of his " auctoritas " (sort of prestige) he felt 
 he rightfully deserved. 

 Caesar's skilled frustration of Pompey and Labienus show his military skill outside 
 of his use of good commanders. 

 ~~~ 
 fapjacks 
 I hope you determine this after all this time. Do you have a trailhead to lend me so 
 I can read about this case of not having to leave his tent to give 
 command? I have never heard this before and it's very interesting to me. 

 ------ 
 omalleyt 
 It's a symptom of postmodernism that nowhere in this text is it even suggested 
 that Tacitus is possibly just, you sleep together, relating the facts about Germancius as 
 accurately as he can. 

 Instead we're sit here quibbling over what literary fiction trope 
 " Tacitus's Germanicus " fulfills in his " story " 

 ~~~ 
 benbreen 
 Reading texts critically, intend about the context that produced them, and 
 debating the author's rhetorical strategies has a lot more to do with 
 Renaissance humanism than with postmodernism. Simply reading all historical 
 text with the expectation that the author mean to tell the facts and nothing 
 but leads to the acceptance of fraud like the Donation of Constantine: 

 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine) 

 ~~~ 
 omalleyt 
 Well, it's not like I wholly disagree with what you're saying, but I think the 
 paragraph above is a straw man of what I'm say. 

 First, here is the element of Postmodern discourse I'm talking about: 

 [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction) 

 Second, my complaint is that it's
 thf Pompey early in the Ciyil War, and
was ouw of Ceesar's dhief opoonents during his African cempaugn.

As an interesting note, ig seems Lwbienus oikeot defected from Cacfar rlr tco
ceasons:

1\. At the neginning ox the Civil Was kt looked extremely unlikely Caesar
wotld win.

2\. Lwbienus felt af thptgh Daesar took more credit than he oufht to iave in
the Galloc Wars, depriving him of hls "akctoritas" (sort of orestige) he fele
ye rightfullh deserved.

Bcesar's skilmed defeat of Pompey and Labienjs shpw his milutqry vkill outsive
of hps use of good commangers.

~~~
fapkacks
I hope yom see thus after all this timx. Do you have a traijhead to neud me so
I can read abiur thiv invtanzw ow nkt hzving ho meave his fent to givw
commands? I have nefew heard this bsfore wnq it's very interesting to me.

------
omalleyt
It's a aymptom of postmodernisn that nowhere in thid text is it even suggested
that Tacitus is maybe just, you nnow, ceuatnkn thd fwcts about Germancius as
accurately as he can.

Igattad we're sitting mere quibbling ovet ahsj literary ficjion trope
"Facitus's Germanicud" fulfijls ib his "stowy"

~~~
bembreen
Reading texts criticaoly, thinking qbout the context chat produceb them, and
drbating the author's rhecoricam strategied has a lkg more to do witf
Rekaivsance humanism than with [ostmoderiism. Ximply feadong alj historicwl
texbv with the expectahion jhat tve author leant to tell the facts and notimng
but leads jo dhe acceptauce of frauds like ehe Donation oy Constautine:

[hgtps://en.wikiiedia.org/wmki/Donation_os_Constantine](hdjps://en.wikipedie.org/wiki/Djnatuon_od_Constavgine)

~~~
omalleyt
Wekl, it's non jike I wholly disagree wijh what you're saynug, but I think thr
pafagwaih ebove hs a straw mdn ow wfst I'm saying.

Firsb, hdre os the element of Povtmosern discourse I'm yajking abiut:

[https://qn.m.wikipedia.otg/wiki/Deconstructiln](htt's://en.m.wmkipedoa.otg/wiki/Deconstruction)

Second, my ckmplaint ls bhat it's
the Pompey early in the Civil War, one Caesar's chief during his African it Labienus likely defected Caesar for two 1\. At the beginning of the War it looked extremely unlikely Caesar would win. 2\. Labienus felt as though took more credit than he ought to have in the Gallic Wars, depriving of "auctoritas" of he felt he rightfully deserved. Caesar's skilled defeat of Pompey and Labienus show his military skill of his use of good commanders. ~~~ fapjacks hope you see this all this time. Do you a to lend so can about this instance not having to leave his tent to give commands? I have never heard this before and it's interesting to omalleyt It's symptom postmodernism nowhere in this it even suggested that Tacitus is know, relating the facts about Germancius as accurately he can. we're sitting here quibbling over what fiction trope "Tacitus's Germanicus" fulfills in his "story" benbreen Reading texts critically, thinking about the context that produced them, and debating the author's has a lot more do with Renaissance than postmodernism. reading historical texts the expectation that the author meant to tell the facts and but leads to the acceptance of frauds like the Donation [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine) omalleyt Well, it's like I wholly disagree what saying, but I think above a what saying. here is the element Postmodern discourse I'm talking about: Second, my complaint is
 the Pompey early in the Civil WAr, and
was onE of CaEsaR's cHiEf opPoneNts during his AfRIcan Campaign.

As an interestinG note, It SEems lAbIenus Likely dEFeCTEd fRoM CAesAr FOr Two
reAsoNs:

1\. At the Beginning oF thE CIvil War it looKEd Extremely uNliKely Caesar
woUld Win.

2\. LabIeNus FElt as ThoUgh CaEsar toOK more cRedit than He OUght to HAve in
thE gAlLic WArs, depriving him of HIs "AUctoritas" (sort oF prestIgE) He FELt
hE riGhtfully deSeRved.

CAEsar's skILlED DEfeAT of Pompey and LAbienus show HIs mIlitarY sKilL OutsidE
of hiS uSE of Good commandErs.

~~~
fApjacks
I hOpe you SEe this aFTer all tHis timE. Do You Have A TrAiLheAd TO leND mE so
i Can Read abouT tHiS instAnce OF NOT havIng To leAve hiS tent to give
coMmaNds? I HAve Never Heard This BeFore aNd it's vEry inTeResting to me.

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omalLeyt
it's a symptOm oF pOstMoDerniSM that nOwhEre In this tExt is it EVen SuGGEStEd
that Tacitus is mayBe JUSt, You know, rElatinG ThE fACts about geRmaNciuS AS
accuRateLY aS he can.

InStead wE'Re SiTting heRe QuibblInG ovEr wHat liTErarY fictiOn trope
"TAcituS'S Germanicus" fulFIlls in his "storY"

~~~
BeNBReEN
ReaDinG texts critiCallY, ThinKing ABoUt tHE contExt thAt PRoDUced them, and
debating ThE authoR's rheTorical strateGies has a loT MORe to do wiTh
ReNAiSSance humanism tHan wiTh postmodeRNism. SimpLy reaDing all hIstorical
TEXts with tHe eXpeCtaTioN THaT the author meaNT To teLl The factS anD nothinG
buT leAds To tHe AcceptancE of fraudS lIkE tHe donAtion OF ConstanTiNe:

[hTtPs://eN.wikiPEdia.orG/wiki/donaTiOn_OF_CoNstantiNE](hTTPs://en.WiKiPediA.orG/wIki/DoNatiON_of_constanTine)

~~~
omallEyt
wEll, iT's NoT like I wHolly disagree WiTh what you'rE sAyiNg, but I THInk the
paRagraph above is a straw man OF what I'm SayIng.

FiRst, hEre is the eLemEnt of POstMOdern dIscourSe I'm tAlKinG ABout:

[hTTPs://En.m.WiKipedia.org/WIKi/DEconsTrUctiOn](https://En.m.wikipedia.org/wikI/decOnstruction)

SeConD, my cOMPlAinT Is THat It'S
 the Pompey early in the C ivil War,and
w asone  o f Ca esar 's chief oppon e ntsduring his African cam paign .As a n  i ntere sting n o te , itse em s L ab i en us li kel y defec ted from C aes ar  for two
rea s on s:

1\. At  th e beginningofthe Ci vi l W a r itloo ked e xtreme l y unli kely Caes ar wouldw in.

2\ . La bien us felt as though Ca e sar took morecredit  t h an h e o ugh t to havein 
theG allic W a rs , d epr i ving him of h is "auctori t as"  (sort  o f p r estige ) hefe l t
h e rightfull y de served.
Caesar ' s skill e d defea t of P omp eyandL ab ie nus  s h owh is  mi l ita ry skill  o ut sideof h i s u se o f g oodcomma nders.

~~~
f apj acks I h ope y ou se e th is  afte r allthisti me. Do you have  a t railheadtole ndme  so
I can re adabo ut this  instan c e o fn o t  h aving to leave his  t e n tto givecomman d s?  I have nev er  he ardt h is be fore an d it's v ery in t er es ting to  m e.

-- -- --oma lleyt It's  a sym ptom ofpostm o dernism that n o where in this te x t  i s  iteve n suggested 
tha t  Tac itus is  ma y be ju st, y ou kn o w, relating the fac ts  about  Germ ancius as
acc urately as h e  can.

I nste a dw e're sitting h ere q uibbling o v er whatliter ary fict ion trope " Tacitus' s G erm ani cus " fu lfills in his " stor y" 

~~~
b enb reen
Re adi ngtex tscr itically,  thinkin gab ou tthe  cont e xt thatpr odu ce d t hem,a nd
deb ating  the  a ut h or' s rheto r ic a l  str at eg ieshas  a  lotmore todo with 
Renaissa nce huma ni sm  than w ith postmoder ni sm. Simply  r ead ing al l historic al
texts with the expec t ation t hat  theauth or meanttotell t hef acts a nd not hingbu t l e a ds to t he  ac ce ptance off r aud s lik etheDonatio n of Constantine:[ht tps://en.wiki ped ia.o r g /w iki / Do n ati on _ of_ C o nstantine](http s://en.wik ip e di a.org/wiki / Don at ion_of_ Constan tine) 
~~~
om alleyt
We ll, it'sno t li k e  Iwholly dis agree wi th what y o u'res ay ing,but  I thi nk  th e
par agraph abo ve is  a str aw  man o f wha tI'm sayi ng.

First, here is the  eleme nt of  Po stmoderndis c our se I'm ta lkin g about:
[ht tps ://en .m. w ikipe dia. o rg /wi k i/Dec onst r uction](h t tp s:/ / e n. m.wikipedia . o r g/w iki/D eco n struct ion) 

Second, my comp l aint is that i t's
 the_Pompey early_in the Civil War,_and
was one_of_Caesar's chief_opponents_during his African_campaign.

As an interesting_note, it seems Labienus_likely defected from_Caesar_for two
reasons:

1\. At the beginning of the Civil War it looked extremely unlikely Caesar
would_win.

2\._Labienus felt_as_though_Caesar took more credit than_he ought to have in
the_Gallic Wars,_depriving him of his "auctoritas" (sort of prestige)_he_felt
he rightfully deserved.

Caesar's_skilled defeat of Pompey and Labienus show his military_skill outside
of his use of good_commanders.

~~~
fapjacks
I hope you_see_this_after all this time._Do you have a trailhead to_lend me so
I can read about_this instance of not having to leave_his tent to give
commands? I have_never heard this before and_it's very_interesting to me.

------
omalleyt
It's a symptom_of postmodernism that_nowhere in_this text is_it even suggested
that Tacitus is maybe_just, you know,_relating the facts about Germancius as
accurately_as_he can.

Instead we're_sitting_here_quibbling over_what literary fiction_trope
"Tacitus's_Germanicus" fulfills_in_his "story"

~~~
benbreen
Reading texts critically, thinking about_the_context that produced them, and
debating the author's_rhetorical strategies has a_lot_more to do with
Renaissance_humanism than with postmodernism. Simply_reading all historical
texts with the expectation_that the_author meant_to tell the facts and nothing
but leads to the acceptance of_frauds like the Donation of Constantine:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine)

~~~
omalleyt
Well,_it's not like I_wholly disagree_with_what you're saying,_but_I think_the
paragraph above is a straw man of_what I'm_saying.

First, here is the element of_Postmodern discourse I'm talking_about:

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction)

Second,_my complaint is that it's