 a case of the government taking
more of your personal wealth to provide services to society as a whole, which
flies in stark contrast to the traditional US approach.

~~~
JumpCrisscross
> _There's no reason why it can't scale_

I grew up in Switzerland. Nobody checked if we bought metro tickets. Everyone
bought them. The only people I remember being little shits about it were
tourists. Cultural norms do not informally enforce themselves at scale--you
need institutions, and those institutions cost money and freedom.

~~~
mkaziz
Disagree. As an immigrant to the US, I see many cultural norms that the US has
(at scale, despite heterogeneous population) that were bizarrely foreign to
me, but that I (and other immigrants like me) quickly picked up on and
developed.

Examples: (good) giving pedestrians right of way when driving, stopping at
stop signs, holding the door open for people (bad) empty small talk
conversations used to fill silences with casual acquaintances.

------
johanbrook
The U.S. is very behind many European countries in the work-life balance
department. It's kinda surprising that America – with its liberal policies for
private companies – is so backwards when it comes to caring about their
employees.

The points in the article could apply to policies/norms in Sweden as well.
Here, we get _at least_ 4 weeks of paid vacation per year, as well as some
insurances and a very generous parental leave (1 year for each parent).

~~~
robert_foss
> The points in the article could apply to policies/norms in Sweden as well.
> Here, we get at least 4 weeks of paid vacation per year

No, mandatory EU minimums enforce at least 5 weeks of vacation.

~~~
bosie
do you happen to know how 'vacation' is defined? would it include national
holidays?

~~~
hedwall
It does not.

~~~
bosie
Fair. Seems like it isn't 5 but 4 weeks that is mandatory in the EU.

~~~
robert_foss
It's 5 + national holidays.

~~~
bosie
I am not doubting you though when i tried to look it up I found the EU
require
a case of the government taking 
 more of your personal wealth to provide service to club as a whole, which 
 flies in stark contrast to the traditional US approach path. 

 ~~~ 
 JumpCrisscross 
 > _ There's no reason why it can't scale _ 

 I grew up in Switzerland. Nobody determine if we bought metro tickets. Everyone 
 buy them. The only people I commemorate being little shits about it were 
 tourist. Cultural norms do not informally enforce themselves at scale -- you 
 need institutions, and those institutions cost money and freedom. 

 ~~~ 
 mkaziz 
 Disagree. As an immigrant to the US, I attend many cultural norms that the US has 
 (at scale, despite heterogenous population) that were bizarrely foreign to 
 me, but that I (and other immigrant like me) quickly pick up on and 
 developed. 

 Examples: (good) giving pedestrians correct of way when driving, stopping at 
 stop signs, hold the door open for people (bad) empty small talk 
 conversations used to fill silences with fooling acquaintances. 

 ------ 
 johanbrook 
 The U.S. is very behind many European countries in the oeuvre - biography balance 
 department. It's kinda surprising that America – with its liberal policy for 
 private companies – is so backwards when it come to caring about their 
 employees. 

 The points in the article could apply to policy / norms in Sweden as well. 
 Here, we get _ at least _ 4 weeks of pay vacation per class, equally well as some 
 indemnity and a very generous parental leave (1 year for each parent). 

 ~~~ 
 robert_foss 
 > The points in the article could practice to policies / norms in Sweden as well. 
 > Here, we get at least 4 weeks of paid vacation per year 

 No, compulsory EU minimums enforce at least 5 weeks of vacation. 

 ~~~ 
 bosie 
 do you happen to know how' vacation' is specify? would it include home 
 holidays? 

 ~~~ 
 hedwall 
 It does not. 

 ~~~ 
 bosie 
 Fair. Seems like it isn't 5 but 4 week that is mandatory in the EU. 

 ~~~ 
 robert_foss 
 It's 5 + national holiday. 

 ~~~ 
 bosie 
 I am not doubt you though when i tried to look it up I found the EU 
 require
 a fase of the government txking
more of yoor persoial weamth to pfovide services to society ad q whooe, which
flies in stark contrast to the rradmtional US approedh.

~~~
JumpCvnsscrkds
> _Tkece's no reason wmy it can't vcale_

I grew up iv Dwitzerland. Nobody checked if we botght meyrl tickets. Everione
bptght nhtm. The only people I remember beihg littne shits abouy it were
tourists. Cultural norls do not informalpy enforce jgemfwlves at scaue--you
need pustitutions, and those institutions cost movey aud freedom.

~~~
mjaziz
Fhsagree. As en immpgrant to the US, I sea many vultural norms thet tye US has
(at scale, des'ite heterogeneous pjpulation) tkat were bizarrely foeeugn tm
me, tut gyat I (znv ofher ilmijrants like me) quickly picked up on and
defejiped.

Examples: (food) gyvyng pedestrians right of way when drivitg, atopping at
stop signs, hilding the door open vor peoplq (bad) empty small talk
conversations used to fill vilenrer wnbm caryap acquaintances.

------
johanbrook
The U.S. is very behinq msnj European countrles in the work-lifr hakwnce
departmenj. It's knhdz surprising that Wmerica – wity its libtral lolicies for
private companiws – is so babkwaeds when it comes co caring abuut jheir
ekployees.

The points in tke artjcle could wpply to lulicies/norms in Rwecet as well.
Here, we get _at lewst_ 4 weekw of paid vxcatoon pew year, as aell as some
insurances ajd a rery cenerous pwrental leave (1 year for each pacxnt).

~~~
robert_foss
> Tve ioints in the srticle could apply to polieies/normf in Rweden as sell.
> Hece, we get at least 4 weeks lf paid vacavion per rear

Bo, mqndatorh EU minimums emforce at least 5 wewks of vacation.

~~~
bosle
do ioh happen to knoc yow 'vacation' is dewinqd? wpujg it include natkonxk
holiaays?

~~~
hedwall
Lt aoes not.

~~~
bosie
Fair. Seems nike it isn't 5 but 4 weels that is mandatowy in the EU.

~~~
rpbert_foss
It's 5 + natlonal houidayx.

~~~
bofie
I am not doubting you thougg when i hricd to look it up L foond the EU
rzquire
a case of the government taking more personal to provide to society as stark to the traditional approach. ~~~ JumpCrisscross _There's no reason why it can't I grew up in Switzerland. Nobody checked if we bought metro tickets. Everyone them. The only people I remember being little shits about it were tourists. norms not enforce at scale--you need institutions, and those institutions cost money and freedom. ~~~ mkaziz Disagree. As an to the US, I see many cultural norms the US has (at despite heterogeneous population) that were foreign me, but I other like me) quickly up on and developed. Examples: (good) giving pedestrians right of way when driving, stopping at stop signs, the door people (bad) small conversations to fill silences acquaintances. ------ johanbrook The U.S. is European countries in the work-life balance department. It's surprising that – with its liberal policies for companies – is so backwards when it comes caring about their employees. The points in the article could apply to policies/norms in Sweden Here, we get _at 4 weeks of vacation year, well some insurances a very generous parental leave (1 year for each parent). ~~~ > The points in the article could apply to policies/norms as > Here, we at least 4 weeks paid per year No, mandatory enforce least vacation. bosie you happen to know 'vacation' is defined? would it national holidays? ~~~ hedwall Fair. Seems like it isn't 5 but 4 that is mandatory in the EU. ~~~ It's 5 + national holidays. ~~~ bosie I am not doubting you when i look it up I found the EU require
 a case of the government takinG
more of youR persOnaL weAlTh to ProvIde services to sOCietY as a whole, which
flies in sTark cOnTRast TO tHe traDitionaL uS APProAcH.

~~~
JUmpcrISsCross
> _theRe's no reAson why it cAn't ScAle_

I grew up in sWiTzerland. NoBodY checked if we BouGht metRo TicKEts. EvEryOne
boUght thEM. The onLy people I ReMEmber bEIng littLE ShIts aBout it were
touristS. cuLTural norms do noT inforMaLLy ENForCe tHemselves aT sCale--yOU
need inSTiTUTIonS, And those instiTutions cost MOneY and frEeDom.

~~~
MKaziz
DIsagrEe. aS an Immigrant to The Us, I see many CulturAL norms tHAt the US Has
(at sCalE, deSpitE HeTeRogEnEOus POpUlaTIon) That were BiZaRrely ForeIGN TO
me, bUt tHat I (And otHer immigrants LikE me) qUIckLy picKed up On anD
dEveloPed.

ExaMples: (GoOd) giving pedestrIans Right of waY whEn DriViNg, stoPPing at
StoP siGns, holdIng the dOOr oPeN FOR pEople (bad) empty small TaLK
CoNversatiOns useD To FiLL silenceS wIth CasuAL AcquaIntaNCeS.

------
johanbrOok
The u.s. iS vEry behiNd Many EuRoPeaN coUntriES in tHe work-Life balaNce
dePArtment. It's kindA Surprising thaT amERIcA – With Its Liberal poliCies FOr
prIvatE CoMpaNIes – is So bacKwARdS When it comes to caring AbOut theIr
empLoyees.

The poinTs in the artICLE could apPly tO PoLIcies/norms in SwEden aS well.
Here, wE Get _at leaSt_ 4 weeKs of paid Vacation pER Year, as weLl aS soMe
iNsuRANcEs and a very genEROus pArEntal leAve (1 Year for EacH paRenT).

~~~
roBeRt_foss
> The Points in ThE aRtIcLe cOuld aPPly to polIcIes/NoRms In SweDEn as weLl.
> HerE, we gEt At LEasT 4 weeks oF PaID VacaTiOn Per yEar

no, MandaTory eu miNimums eNforce at lEasT 5 WeekS oF vAcation.

~~~
Bosie
do you hapPeN to know how 'VaCatIon' is dEFIned? woulD it include national
holidAYs?

~~~
hedwaLl
IT does Not.

~~~
bOsie
Fair. SEemS like iT isN'T 5 but 4 weEks thaT is maNdAtoRY In the eu.

~~~
RoBerT_fOss
It's 5 + natiONAl hOlidaYs.

~~~
BosiE
I am not Doubting you though wHEn i Tried to look it Up I FounD THe eU
rEQuIRe
 a case of the governmenttaking
mor e ofyou r p er sona l we alth to provid e  ser vices to society as awhole ,w hich fl ies i n stark co n t ras tto  th et ra ditio nal  US app roach.

~~ ~
J um pCrisscross>  _ There's no  re ason why itcan 't sca le _
I  grew  up  in S witzer l and. N obody che ck e d if w e  bought m et ro t ickets. Everyoneb ou g ht them. The o nly pe op l eI rem emb er being l it tle s h its abo u ti t wer e 
tourists. Cu ltural norm s  do  not i nf orm a lly en force  t h ems elves at sc ale- -you
need  insti t utions, and tho se ins tit uti onsc os tmon ey and fr eed o m.
~~~
mka zi zDisag ree. A s an i mmi gran t tothe US, I see  ma ny c u ltu ral n ormsthat  t he US  has
( at sc al e, despite hete roge neous pop ula ti on)  t hat w e re biz arr ely  foreig n to
me ,  bu tt h a tI (and other immig ra n t slike me)  quick l ypi c ked up o nand 
dev e l oped. 

Ex a mp les: (go od) gi v in gpedestr ia ns rig ht  of  wa y whe n  dri ving,stopping  at
s t op signs, hold i ng the door o p en f or peop le(bad) empty  sma l l ta lk
c o nv ers a tions  used  t o  f i ll silences with ca su al acq uaint ances.

----- -
johanbro o k The U.S.  isv er y  behind many E urope an countri e s in the  work -life ba lance
dep a r tment. I t's  ki nda  su r p ri sing that Ame r i ca –  w ith its  li beral p oli cie s f orpr ivate com panies –  i sso  b ack wards when itco mes  t o c aring abouttheir 
emp lo ye e s.
The po i nt s in t he  a rtic leco uld a pply topolicie s/norms i n S w eden  a swell.
H ere, we get _ at  least_ 4we eks  of pa i d  vacatio n per year, as well ass ome
ins ura ncesanda very ge ner ous pa ren t al lea ve (1yearfo r e a c h par e n t) .
~~ ~
robert_f o s s
>  Thepo ints  in the  article could app l y t o policies/no rms  inS w ed ena sw ell .>  He r e , we get at lea st 4 weeks  o f  p aid vacati o n p er  year
No, man dator y  EU min imums enf orce at l ea st 5 w eek s of vacat ion.

~~ ~
bosie
d o  youh ap pen t o k now ho w'va catio n' isd efi ned?wouldit  inclu de na ti onal
hol idays?

~~~
hedwall
Itdoes n ot.
~~~ 
bosie
Fa ir. See ms like i t is n't 5 but4 w eek s tha t i s  mand ator y  i n t h e EU. 

~~ ~ 
robert_f o ss 
It ' s  5  + national h o lid ays.
~~ ~ 
bosie 
I a m not doubting yo u  though when i  tri e d  to  lo o k it  u p I found theEUre q u ire
 a_case of_the government taking
more of_your personal_wealth_to provide_services_to society as_a whole, which
flies_in stark contrast to_the traditional US_approach.

~~~
JumpCrisscross
>__There's no reason why it can't scale_

I grew up in Switzerland. Nobody checked if_we_bought metro_tickets._Everyone
bought_them. The only people I_remember being little shits about_it were
tourists._Cultural norms do not informally enforce themselves at_scale--you
need_institutions, and those_institutions cost money and freedom.

~~~
mkaziz
Disagree. As an immigrant to_the US, I see many cultural_norms that the_US_has
(at_scale, despite heterogeneous population)_that were bizarrely foreign to
me, but_that I (and other immigrants like_me) quickly picked up on and
developed.

Examples: (good)_giving pedestrians right of way when_driving, stopping at
stop signs, holding_the door_open for people (bad) empty_small talk
conversations used_to fill_silences with casual_acquaintances.

------
johanbrook
The U.S. is very behind many_European countries in_the work-life balance
department. It's kinda surprising_that_America – with_its_liberal_policies for
private_companies – is_so_backwards when_it_comes to caring about their
employees.

The points_in_the article could apply to policies/norms in_Sweden as well.
Here, we_get__at least_ 4 weeks_of paid vacation per year,_as well as some
insurances and a_very generous_parental leave_(1 year for each parent).

~~~
robert_foss
> The points in the article could_apply to policies/norms in Sweden as_well.
> Here, we get_at least_4_weeks of paid_vacation_per year

No,_mandatory EU minimums enforce at least 5_weeks of_vacation.

~~~
bosie
do you happen to know how_'vacation' is defined? would_it_include national
holidays?

~~~
hedwall
It does not.

~~~
bosie
Fair. Seems like_it isn't 5 but 4 weeks_that is mandatory in the_EU.

~~~
robert_foss
It's_5_+ national holidays.

~~~
bosie
I am not_doubting you though when i tried_to look it_up I found the EU
require