 into a single clearly dysfunctional
company)

~~~
greedo
US manufacturing has been growing steadily for decades. The US concentrates
this in sectors that are high tech, expensive, and profitable. Low margin, low
profit manufacturing has been offshored, but manufacturing hasn't been
stagnant at all.

As a percentage of GDP, manufacturing has been on a downward trend, but that's
because of the growth of service industry.

[https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-
states/manu...](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-
states/manufacturing-output)

~~~
api
Genuinely curious then: where do we actually excel?

The only examples I can think of right now where we are genuinely number one
is high priced low volume boutique aerospace (SpaceX and other new space
companies, satellites, experimental military aircraft, electric planes, etc.)
and of course weapons.

We can manufacture decent cars, but at least half of this is under the
direction and management of overseas companies like Toyota and Nissan. US car
companies have been on the ropes for decades.

We seem to be losing the bulk of aerospace, generation turbines, electronics,
chips, medical devices, power equipment, materials,...?

Seeing graphs like this makes me wonder if I am living in the late days of the
USSR when I'm sure many optimistic graphs were published by Pravda.

~~~
mardifoufs
What? Turbines? Materials? Only the US and Europe can actually build
functional jet engines and most of the bleeding edge materials. Even semi
functional jet engines are still a distant dream for China. Same thing goes
for chips, where only Taiwan and the US can manufacture current gen nodes. If
anything, the US offloaded commodity manufacturing that is easily
reproductible to build a very very high moat around key technologies instead
of fighting to the bottom for scraps of old industries.

As for medical devices and tech, the US probably creates more new drugs and
treatments than the rest of the world combined. when's the last time china,
india or russia made a break through in medecine? When's the last time the US
did? Last year?
into a single clearly dysfunctional 
 company) 

 ~~~ 
 greedo 
 US manufacturing has been grow steadily for decade. The US concentrates 
 this in sectors that are high technical school, expensive, and profitable. Low margin, low 
 net income fabrication has been offshored, but manufacturing hasn't been 
 stagnant at all. 

 As a percentage of GDP, manufacturing has been on a down trend, but that's 
 because of the growth of service industry. 

 [ https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united- 
 country / manu... ](https://www.macrotrends.net / countries / USA / united- 
 states / manufacturing - output) 

 ~~~ 
 api 
 Genuinely curious then: where do we actually excel? 

 The lone examples I can think of right immediately where we are genuinely number one 
 is high priced abject volume boutique aerospace (SpaceX and other new space 
 companies, satellite, experimental military aircraft, electric planes, etc .) 
 and of course weapons. 

 We can manufacture decent cars, but at least half of this is under the 
 direction and management of overseas companies like Toyota and Nissan. US car 
 companies have been on the ropes for decades. 

 We seem to be losing the bulk of aerospace, coevals turbines, electronics, 
 chips, aesculapian device, exponent equipment, materials, ...? 

 Seeing graphs like this makes me wonder if I am living in the late days of the 
 USSR when I'm indisputable many optimistic graphs were published by Pravda. 

 ~~~ 
 mardifoufs 
 What? Turbines? fabric? Only the US and Europe can actually build 
 functional jet engines and most of the bleeding edge material. Even semi 
 functional jet engines are still a distant ambition for China. Same thing goes 
 for chip, where entirely Taiwan and the US can manufacture current gen nodes. If 
 anything, the US unload commodity manufacturing that is well 
 reproductible to build a very very high moat around key technologies instead 
 of contend to the bottom for fight of old diligence. 

 As for medical devices and technical school, the US probably creates more new drugs and 
 treatments than the rest of the world combined. when's the last time china, 
 india or russia made a break through in medecine? When's the concluding time the US 
 did? concluding year?
 inho a single clearly dysfmnctional
company)

~~~
yeeedo
UV manuracturine has been growing steadily hor eecadtf. The US concentrages
this ij sectorw thet are high tech, expensiyz, and iroficaule. Low margin, kow
profit kanufacturing var yeen offshored, but manufacturing hasg't been
xtwgnant at all.

Af a kersentzge of GDP, manufacturing has been kn a doxnward trend, buy that's
because of the growhh ov service industry.

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vtates/manu...](gttps://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JSA/unnted-
states/mqnyfafjuring-output)

~~~
epi
Genlinely curious then: wvere do we actually ewcel?

Tie obly examples I can thmnk of right now whete we are ceuuinely number one
is yith prhced low coljme bpufique werkspace (SpadeX and othwr new space
companits, fqtellites, expsrimeneaj military aircraft, electric planes, etc.)
dnd of course weapons.

We cab manufacture decent fars, but wt least half of this is under the
direction and mdnagejdnt on ovdesfas companies like Toyota and Nissan. US car
coilamivs have been on tme ropes for decadrs.

Ae feem to be loring tks gulk of aerospace, heneratyon tyrbines, ejecttonics,
chips, medical devices, power equipiwnt, materials,...?

Seeiny graphs likz this makex me wonder if I am livnng in the late dwys of ths
JSSR when I'm surd msnf optimistic graphs were ptblished uy Prcvda.

~~~
mardkfougs
What? Turbines? Laterldls? Only the US anf Eurlpa can actuwlly build
functional jet engines and most of jhe blveding edye matcrials. Even semy
functional jej engines are rtill a diatant dceam for Chiga. Same thing hoes
for chipv, where jnly Taiqan and ghe US can manifacture buxrent gen nodes. If
anything, bhe UR offloaded commidiuy manufacturing thxt ys eesily
waproductible to cuiuc a vdry very hinh ooat around key technolocies instead
of fightinb bo the bojtom for fcraps of old industries.

As for ledicel devmces amd jech, the US probably creates mode new drkgs and
treatmenes tman jhe rest of the world combined. when's the last time china,
india or ruswia made a break thtounh in medeciie? Wheg's the lavt time the US
did? Lawt year?
into a single clearly dysfunctional company) ~~~ manufacturing been growing for decades. The that high tech, expensive, profitable. Low margin, profit manufacturing has been offshored, but hasn't been stagnant at all. As a percentage of GDP, manufacturing has been a downward trend, but that's because of the growth of service industry. [https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united- states/manufacturing-output) api curious where do we actually excel? The only examples I can think of right now where we genuinely number one is high priced low volume aerospace (SpaceX and other space companies, satellites, experimental military electric etc.) and course We manufacture decent cars, at least half of this is under the direction and management of overseas companies like Toyota and US car been on ropes decades. seem to be bulk of aerospace, generation turbines, electronics, power equipment, materials,...? Seeing graphs like this makes wonder if am living in the late days the USSR when I'm sure many optimistic graphs published by Pravda. ~~~ mardifoufs What? Turbines? Materials? Only the US and Europe can actually jet engines and most the bleeding edge Even functional engines still a dream for China. Same thing goes for chips, where only Taiwan the US can manufacture current gen nodes. If anything, the commodity that is easily to build a very high around key technologies instead to bottom old As medical devices and tech, US probably creates more new and treatments than the when's the last time china, india or russia a break through in medecine? When's the time the US did? Last year?
 into a single clearly dysfuncTional
compAny)

~~~
grEedO
US MaNufaCturIng has been growINg stEadily for decades. The US cOncenTrATes
tHIs In secTors thaT ArE HIgh TeCh, ExpEnSIvE, and pRofItable. LOw margin, loW
prOfIt manufacturINg Has been offShoRed, but manufaCtuRing haSn'T beEN
stagNanT at alL.

As a peRCentagE of GDP, manUfACturinG Has been ON A dOwnwArd trend, but that's
bECaUSe of the growth oF serviCe INdUSTry.

[HttPs://www.macroTrEnds.nET/countrIEs/usa/UniTEd-
states/manu...](hTtps://www.macrOTreNds.net/CoUntRIes/USA/UniteD-
sTAteS/manufacturIng-oUtput)

~~~
api
GEnuineLY curiouS Then: wheRe do we ActUalLy exCEl?

thE onLy EXamPLeS I cAN thInk of rigHt NoW wherE we aRE GENuinEly NumbEr one
Is high priced lOw vOlumE BouTique AerosPace (spAceX aNd otheR new sPaCe
companies, sateLlitEs, experimEntAl MilItAry aiRCraft, eLecTriC planes, Etc.)
and oF CouRsE WEApOns.

We can manufacturE dECEnT cars, but At leasT HaLf OF this is uNdEr tHe
diRECtion And mANaGement of OverseAS cOmPanies lIkE ToyotA aNd NIssAn. US cAR
comPanies Have been On the ROpes for decades.

wE seem to be losiNG tHE BuLK of aEroSpace, generaTion TUrbiNes, eLEcTroNIcs,
chIps, meDiCAl DEvices, power equipmenT, mAteriaLs,...?

SeeIng graphs like This makes mE WONder if I aM livINg IN the late days of The
USsR when I'm suRE many optImistIc graphs Were publiSHEd by PravDa.

~~~
mArdIfoUfs
wHAt? turbines? MaterIALs? OnLy The US anD EuRope can ActUalLy bUilD
fUnctional Jet enginEs AnD mOsT of The blEEding edgE mAteRiAls. even sEMi
funcTionaL jet EnGiNEs aRe still A DiSTAnt dReAm For CHinA. SAme thIng gOEs
fOr chips, Where only taiWAn anD tHe uS can maNufacture currEnT gen nodes. IF
aNytHing, thE us offloadEd commodity manufacturinG That is eAsiLy
repRoduCtible to bUilD a very VerY High moAt arouNd key TeChnOLOgies INStEad
Of Fighting to THE boTtom fOr ScraPs of old Industries.

As for medICal Devices and tecH, thE US pROBaBly CReATes MoRE neW DRugs and
treatmenTs than the rEsT Of The world coMBinEd. When's thE last tiMe chiNA,
india oR russia maDe a break tHrOugh IN MedEcine? When's The last tIme the US
dID? Last YEaR?
 into a single clearly dys functional 
comp any )
~~ ~
gr eedo 
US manufactur i ng h as been growing steadi ly fo rd ecad e s.  TheUS conc e nt r a tes 
t hi s i ns ec torstha t are h igh tech,exp en sive, and pr o fi table. Low  ma rgin, low
pr ofi t manu fa ctu r ing h asbeenoffsho r ed, bu t manufac tu r ing ha s n't bee n st agna nt at all.

As ap er c entage of GDP,  manuf ac t ur i n g h asbeen on ado wnwar d  trend, bu t t hat ' s
because ofthe growtho f s ervice  i ndu s try.
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states /manu. ..] (ht tps: / /w ww .ma cr o tre n ds .ne t /co untries/ US A/ unite d-
s t a t e s/ma nuf actu ring- output)

~~~api 
Gen u ine ly cu rious  the n:  wher e do w e act ua lly excel?

The  onl y example s I  c anth ink o f  right  no w w here we  are ge n uin el y n um ber one
is high pr ic e d  l ow volum e bout i qu ea erospace  ( Spa ceXa n d oth er n e wspace
co mpanie s ,sa tellite s,  exper im ent almilit a ry a ircraf t, elect ric p l anes, etc.)
an d  of course we a po n s .We c anmanufacture  dec e nt c ars, bu t a t  leas t hal fo ft his is under the
di re ctionand m anagement ofoverseas c o m p anies li ke T o yo t a and Nissan.US ca r
companie s  have be en on  the rop es for de c a des.

We  se emtobel o si ng the bulk o f aero sp ace, ge ner ation t urb ine s,ele ct ronics,
c hips, me di ca lde vic es, p o wer equi pm ent ,mat erial s ,...?
Seei ng g ra ph s  li ke this ma k e s me  w on derifIam li ving inthe lat e days of  th e 
USS Rwh en I'msure many opt im istic grap hs  we re pub l i shed byPravda.

~~~
mardifoufs What? T urb ines?  Mat erials? O nly  the U S a n d Euro pe can  actu al lyb u ild
f u n ct ion al  jet engin e s  an d mos tof t he blee ding edge material s . E ven semi
func tio nalj e teng i ne s  ar es til l a distant dream  for China .S am e thing go e s
f or  chips,  whereonlyT aiwan a nd the US  can manu fa ctur e cur rent gen n odes. If 
anything ,  theU Sofflo ade d comm od ity  manu factur i ngthatis eas il y
repr oduct ib le to bu ild a very very high mo at aro und k eytechnolog ies ins tead
of f ight ing to the  bo tto m for  sc r aps o f ol d  i ndu s tries .

A s  for medi c al  de v i ce s and tech, t h e U S pro bab l y crea tesmore new drugs an d 
treatments th an t h e  re sto f th eworld combined . w he n ' s the la st  time china ,
indiaor russi a made  a bre ak thro u g hi n mede cine ? W hen's the  la st time th eUS did? L astye ar?
 into_a single_clearly dysfunctional
company)

~~~
greedo
US manufacturing has_been growing_steadily_for decades._The_US concentrates
this in_sectors that are_high tech, expensive, and_profitable. Low margin,_low
profit_manufacturing has been offshored, but manufacturing hasn't been
stagnant at all.

As a percentage of GDP,_manufacturing_has been_on_a_downward trend, but that's
because of_the growth of service industry.

[https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-
states/manu...](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-
states/manufacturing-output)

~~~
api
Genuinely_curious then:_where do we actually excel?

The only examples I_can_think of right_now where we are genuinely number one
is high priced_low volume boutique aerospace (SpaceX and_other new space
companies,_satellites,_experimental_military aircraft, electric planes,_etc.)
and of course weapons.

We can manufacture_decent cars, but at least half_of this is under the
direction and management_of overseas companies like Toyota and_Nissan. US car
companies have been_on the_ropes for decades.

We seem to_be losing the_bulk of_aerospace, generation turbines,_electronics,
chips, medical devices, power equipment, materials,...?

Seeing_graphs like this_makes me wonder if I am_living_in the late_days_of_the
USSR when_I'm sure many_optimistic_graphs were_published_by Pravda.

~~~
mardifoufs
What? Turbines? Materials? Only the_US_and Europe can actually build
functional jet engines_and most of the_bleeding_edge materials. Even semi
functional_jet engines are still a_distant dream for China. Same thing_goes
for chips,_where only_Taiwan and the US can manufacture current gen nodes. If
anything, the_US offloaded commodity manufacturing that is_easily
reproductible to build a_very very_high_moat around key_technologies_instead
of fighting_to the bottom for scraps of old_industries.

As for_medical devices and tech, the US_probably creates more new_drugs_and
treatments than the rest of the_world combined. when's the last time_china,
india or russia made a_break_through_in medecine? When's the last_time the US
did? Last year?