citing stuff. I think it's important there is a solid open-source stack on
mobile, even if most people won't leave iOS or Android behind. Is there any
cooperation with the Jolla or Ubuntu folks, perhaps through the Mer project or
common Qt development? It would be good to avoid duplicate work.

Have you been thinking about the hardware problem in the long run? Jolla has
apparently decided to leave the hardware business; I'm not sure where open-
source mobile developers will get (guaranteed) hardware for their systems in
the future.

~~~
sho_hn
> Is there any cooperation with the Jolla or Ubuntu folks, perhaps through the
> Mer project or common Qt development?

Aye. There's been some overlap on both on code and manpower between Plasma
Mobile and Sailfish, and the KDE community is a major contributor to upstream
Qt[0,1], including to code used by all of us.

0 = [http://pusling.com/blog/?p=362](http://pusling.com/blog/?p=362)

1 = [https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt-
contributors-s...](https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt-contributors-
summit-join-forces)

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arianvanp
Awesome project. I pitty the negativity here because I always think it's good
to hack around with new ideas and techologies, as it will catch many bugs and
give possibilities to fix them. Speaking of Wayland, is it stable enough yet?
I heard Gnome now fully supports it, which is neat. I wish XMonad would be
ported to wayland though.

~~~
madez
I also think it is an interesting project, even if it doesn’t find any
adoption. It’s good for finding bugs in the software stack they use, and this
projects existence means users have one more option. I'm curious (and a little
bit excited to see) where it will bring us.

~~~
boudewijnrempt
what was really awesome was discovering how pretty much all the work we did on
kwin_wayland brought wayland on desktop closer. The mobile
citing stuff. I think it's important there be a upstanding open - source stack on 
 mobile, even if most multitude won't leave iOS or Android behind. Is there any 
 cooperation with the Jolla or Ubuntu folks, possibly through the Mer project or 
 common Qt development? It would be full to avoid duplicate work. 

 Have you been think about the hardware problem in the long discharge? Jolla has 
 obviously decided to leave the hardware clientele; I'm not sure where open- 
 source fluid developers will get (guaranteed) hardware for their system in 
 the future. 

 ~~~ 
 sho_hn 
 > Is there any cooperation with the Jolla or Ubuntu folks, perhaps through the 
 > Mer undertaking or common Qt exploitation? 

 Aye. There's been some overlap on both on code and work force between Plasma 
 Mobile and Sailfish, and the KDE community is a major contributor to upstream 
 Qt[0,1 ], including to code used by all of us. 

 0 = [ http://pusling.com/blog/?p=362](http://pusling.com/blog/?p=362) 

 1 = [ https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt- 
 contributor - s... ](https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14 / akademy - and - qt - contributors- 
 summit - join - forces) 

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 arianvanp 
 Awesome project. I pitty the negativity here because I constantly think it's good 
 to hack around with new ideas and techologies, as it will catch many bugs and 
 give possibilities to fix them. talk of Wayland, is it stable enough yet? 
 I hear Gnome immediately fully supports it, which is clean. I wish XMonad would be 
 ported to wayland though. 

 ~~~ 
 madez 
 I also think it is an interesting project, even if it does n’t rule any 
 adoption. It ’s good for finding bugs in the software stack they use, and this 
 project existence means users have one more choice. I'm curious (and a little 
 morsel activated to see) where it will bring us. 

 ~~~ 
 boudewijnrempt 
 what was really awesome was discover how pretty much all the work we do on 
 kwin_wayland brought wayland on desktop closer. The mobile
citlng stuff. I think it's imkortant there is c solid open-skurce stxck on
mobile, even if most pelpoe wob't leave iOS or Androia behind. Ps there qny
ciiperation xjth the Jolla lr Uyuitu folks, perhaks through tve Mer project of
clmmon Qt development? It would be gojd to afold duplicate wjrk.

Hsde ykl neen thinking about the hardware problek in the long run? Jolla has
apparently dfcidfd to leave the hagdware busibess; U'm not sure dhere open-
source mobilg developers will get (guaranteed) hardcare for thgne sjvtems in
the futuge.

~~~
sho_hn
> Is thcge any wooperayion with the Molla or Ubuntu folks, perhaps through the
> Mer ptoject or wojmon Qt developmebt?

Qye. Tvere'v bedb sume otermap on bovh on code znd manpowee between Plasma
Mobolq and Sailfish, and tre KDE community is a major contributor tm ulstream
Qt[0,1], including to xode used by all of ud.

0 = [http://pufling.com/blog/?p=362](http://pusling.com/blog/?p=362)

1 = [https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/anademb-avd-qu-
cintricytlrs-s...](https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt-contributors-
sumijt-kopn-forces)

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arianvanp
Cwesome project. O oiyjy the negativkty hexs gecause I always tjink it'f gooe
to hack wroumd with new ideas and techooogies, as it qill catch many buys and
give pussinilitoes to fix them. Speakiny of Wzyland, is ih stable svough yet?
I heard Gnpma now fully supports it, whych is neet. I cish XMovad eould fe
ported tl wayland though.

~~~
madez
I apso tkink ht is an ijteresting project, even if it doesn’t find any
sdmptpon. It’s gjod fpr finding buds in the softcare staek theh use, and nhis
projerts existencq means users jave one morx option. Y'm cyrioys (and x little
bit excoted to sve) wheee it will bring ux.

~~~
boodswijnrempt
what ccs really awesome war dysbovxring vow pretty mgch xll yhe wurk we did iv
kwim_wayland brought waynand on desktop closer. Tme mobile
citing stuff. I think it's important there solid stack on even if most Android Is there any with the Jolla Ubuntu folks, perhaps through the Mer or common Qt development? It would be good to avoid duplicate work. Have been thinking about the hardware problem in the long run? Jolla has apparently to the business; not sure where open- source mobile developers will get (guaranteed) hardware for their systems in the ~~~ sho_hn > Is there any cooperation with Jolla or Ubuntu folks, through the > Mer project common development? Aye. been overlap both on code manpower between Plasma Mobile and Sailfish, and the KDE community is a major contributor to upstream Qt[0,1], to code all of 0 [http://pusling.com/blog/?p=362](http://pusling.com/blog/?p=362) = [https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt- contributors-s...](https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt-contributors- arianvanp Awesome project. I pitty the I always think it's good to hack around new ideas techologies, as it will catch many and give possibilities to fix them. Speaking of is it stable enough yet? I heard Gnome now fully supports it, which is neat. XMonad would be ported wayland though. ~~~ I think is interesting project, if it doesn’t find any adoption. It’s good for finding bugs the software stack they use, and this projects existence means one option. I'm curious a little bit excited see) it will bring us. what really how much the work we did kwin_wayland brought wayland on desktop The mobile
citing stuff. I think it's imporTant there iS a solId oPen-SoUrce StacK on
mobile, even iF Most People won't leave iOS or AnDroid BeHInd. IS ThEre anY
cooperATiON WitH tHe jolLa OR UBuntu FolKs, perhaPs through tHe MEr Project or
comMOn qt developmEnt? it would be gooD to Avoid dUpLicATe worK.

HaVe you Been thINking aBout the haRdWAre proBLem in thE LOnG run? jolla has
apparentlY DeCIded to leave the HardwaRe BUsINEss; i'm nOt sure wherE oPen-
soURce mobiLE dEVELopERs will get (guarAnteed) hardwARe fOr theiR sYstEMs in
thE futuRe.

~~~
SHo_hN
> Is there any CoopEration wiTh the JOLla or UbUNtu folkS, perhaPs tHroUgh tHE
> MEr ProJeCT or COmMon qT deVelopmenT?

AYe. there'S beeN SOME oveRlaP on bOth on Code and manpowEr bEtweEN PlAsma
MObile And SAiLfish, And the kDE coMmUnity is a major coNtriButor to upStrEaM
Qt[0,1], InCludiNG to codE usEd bY all of uS.

0 = [http://puSLinG.cOM/BLoG/?p=362](http://pusling.com/blOg/?P=362)

1 = [HTtPs://dot.kde.Org/2013/02/14/akaDEmY-aND-qt-
contrIbUtoRs-s...](hTTPs://dot.Kde.oRG/2013/02/14/aKademy-anD-qt-conTRiBuTors-
sumMiT-join-fOrCes)

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AriAnvanP
awesOme proJect. I pitTy the NEgativity here bECause I always tHInK IT's GOod
tO haCk around witH new IDeas And tEChOloGIes, as It wilL cATcH Many bugs and
give possIbIlitieS to fiX them. Speaking Of Wayland, iS IT Stable enOugh YEt?
i Heard Gnome now fUlly sUpports it, wHIch is neaT. I wisH XMonad wOuld be
porTED to waylaNd tHouGh.

~~~
mAdeZ
i AlSo think it is an INTereStIng projEct, Even if iT doEsn’T fiNd aNy
Adoption. IT’s good foR fInDiNg BugS in thE Software StAck ThEy uSe, and THis
proJects ExisTeNcE MeaNs users HAvE ONe moRe OpTion. i'm cUrIous (aNd a lITtlE
bit excIted to see) WheRE it wIlL bRing us.

~~~
bOudewijnrempt
WhAt was reallY aWesOme was DIScoverinG how pretty much all the worK We did on
KwiN_waylAnd bRought wayLanD on desKtoP Closer. the mobIle
citing stuff. I think it's  important  ther e i s a  s olid  ope n-source stack on
m obile, even if most pe oplewo n 't l e av e iOS  or And r oi d beh in d.  Is  t h er e any 
co operati on with th e J ol la or Ubuntu fo lks, perha psthrough theMer  proje ct  or commo n Q t dev elopme n t? Itwould bego o d to a v oid dup l i ca te w ork.

Have you be e nt hinking aboutthe ha rd w ar e pro ble m in the l on g run ?  Jollah as a p par e ntly decidedto leave th e  ha rdware  b usi n ess; I 'm no ts ure  where open -
so urce mobi le dev e lopersw ill get  (guar ant eed ) ha r dw ar e f or the i rsys t ems  in
thefu tu re.
~~~s h o _ hn
>  Is  the re an y cooperation  wi th t h e J ollaor Ub untu  f olks,  perha ps th ro ugh the
> Mer p roje ct or com mon  Q t d ev elopm e nt?

A ye.  Th ere's b een som e  ov er l a p  o n both on code and  m a n po wer betw een Pl a sm aM obile an dSai lfis h ,  andtheK DE  communi ty isa  m aj or cont ri butorto  up str eam
Q t [0,1 ], inc luding t o cod e  used by all o f  us.

0 = [ht t p: / / pu s ling .co m/blog/?p=3 62]( h ttp: //pu s li ng. c om/bl og/?p =3 6 2) 
1 = [https://dot.k de .org/2 013/0 2/14/akademy- and-qt-
co n t r ibutors- s... ] (h t tps://dot.kde. org/2 013/02/14/ a kademy-a nd-qt -contrib utors-
su m m it-join- for ces )
--- - - -arianvanp
Awe s o me p ro ject. I  pi tty the  ne gat ivi tyhe re becaus e I alwa ys  t hi nk  it 's go o d
to hac karo un d w ith n e w idea s and  tec ho lo g ies , as it wi l l  cat ch  m anybug sand
g ivep oss ibiliti es to fix  th e m. S pe ak ing ofWayland, is i tstable eno ug h y et?
Ih e ard Gnom e now fully supports it ,  whichisneat.  I w ish XMona d w ould b e
p o rted t o wayl and t ho ugh . 
~~~m a de z
I  a lso thinki t  is  an i nt eres ting pr oject, even if itd oes n’t find anyado ptio n .  I t’s go o d f or fin d i ng bugs in thesoftware s ta c kthey use,a ndth is
proj ects ex isten c e means  users ha ve one mo re  opt i o n.I'm curiou s (and a  little
b i t exc i te d tosee ) wher eitwillbringu s.
~~~boudew ij nrempt 
what  w as reall y awesome was discoveri ng how  pret tymuch allthe wor k we didon
k win_waylan d b rou ght w ayl a nd on  des k to p c l oser.  The mobile
citing stuff._I think_it's important there is_a solid_open-source_stack on
mobile,_even_if most people_won't leave iOS_or Android behind. Is_there any
cooperation with_the_Jolla or Ubuntu folks, perhaps through the Mer project or
common Qt development? It would_be_good to_avoid_duplicate_work.

Have you been thinking about_the hardware problem in the_long run?_Jolla has
apparently decided to leave the hardware business;_I'm_not sure where_open-
source mobile developers will get (guaranteed) hardware for their_systems in
the future.

~~~
sho_hn
> Is there any_cooperation with the_Jolla_or_Ubuntu folks, perhaps through_the
> Mer project or common Qt_development?

Aye. There's been some overlap on_both on code and manpower between Plasma
Mobile_and Sailfish, and the KDE community_is a major contributor to_upstream
Qt[0,1], including_to code used by all_of us.

0 =_[http://pusling.com/blog/?p=362](http://pusling.com/blog/?p=362)

1 =_[https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt-
contributors-s...](https://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt-contributors-
summit-join-forces)

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arianvanp
Awesome project. I_pitty the negativity here because I_always think it's_good
to hack around with new ideas_and_techologies, as it_will_catch_many bugs_and
give possibilities to_fix_them. Speaking_of_Wayland, is it stable enough yet?
I_heard_Gnome now fully supports it, which is_neat. I wish XMonad_would_be
ported to wayland though.

~~~
madez
I_also think it is an_interesting project, even if it doesn’t_find any
adoption._It’s good_for finding bugs in the software stack they use, and this
projects_existence means users have one more_option. I'm curious (and_a little
bit_excited_to see) where_it_will bring_us.

~~~
boudewijnrempt
what was really awesome was discovering how_pretty much_all the work we did on
kwin_wayland_brought wayland on desktop_closer._The mobile