 And then you
have maybe 20 peak years of productivity, you sure as hell don't want to spend
any of it at something you can't respect.

When you are done with your career at 60 or 65, you want to be able to look
back and say "I did this" or "I created that" or "I helped this many people",
not "I worked at that shitty adware company for 2 years because they have me
free food and beer"

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seibelj
Interviewed at a company called Rakuten Loyalty in Boston a few years ago. At
that time it was the exact same thing, a malware / adware browser toolbar
company, and they also sold white label toolbars. Took me the entire interview
to figure out what they actually did. Their website [0] now has very little
information about what they actually do, with a generic contact form. But an
archive.org [1] of their old website shows the truth. Funny how they hide what
they actually do now.

[0] [http://www.rakutenrewards.com/](http://www.rakutenrewards.com/) [1]
[https://web.archive.org/web/20121216021038/http://rakutenloy...](https://web.archive.org/web/20121216021038/http://rakutenloyalty.com/solutions)

~~~
hkmurakami
I guess I'm not entirely shocked since Rakuten the parent company and Japanese
ecommerce site has very questionable tactics like emails you can't opt out of
and forcing new employees to sign up a large number of friends/relatives to
the Rakuten credit card.

~~~
nommm-nommm
Huh? How exactly did the "force" you to get others to sign up for a CC? I also
have no problem opting out of Rakuten emails.

~~~
hkmurakami
New employees at HQ have quotas.

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switz
I interviewed at 50onRed a few years ago soon after I left college. I went
through the interview process, received an offer, and was on the verge of
accepting.

It was at this point I realized that I barely understood what the company
actually did. I set up another in-
And then you 
 have maybe 20 peak years of productiveness, you certain as hell don't want to spend 
 any of it at something you can't respect. 

 When you are do with your career at 60 or 65, you desire to be able to look 
 back and say " I did this " or " I create that " or " I helped this many people ", 
 not " I ferment at that shitty adware company for 2 year because they have me 
 free food and beer " 

 ------ 
 seibelj 
 interview at a ship's company called Rakuten Loyalty in Boston a few years ago. At 
 that time it was the exact same matter, a malware / adware browser toolbar 
 company, and they also sold ashen label toolbars. Took me the entire consultation 
 to figure out what they actually make. Their website [ 0 ] now has very little 
 information about what they actually do, with a generic liaison form. But an 
 archive.org [ 1 ] of their old website shows the truth. Funny how they shroud what 
 they actually do now. 

 [ 0 ] [ http://www.rakutenrewards.com/](http://www.rakutenrewards.com/) [ 1 ] 
 [ https://web.archive.org/web/20121216021038/http://rakutenloy...](https://web.archive.org/web/20121216021038/http://rakutenloyalty.com/solutions) 

 ~~~ 
 hkmurakami 
 I guess I'm not entirely shocked since Rakuten the parent company and Japanese 
 ecommerce site has very questionable tactics like emails you can't choose out of 
 and storm new employee to bless up a large number of friends / relatives to 
 the Rakuten credit rating card. 

 ~~~ 
 nommm - nommm 
 Huh? How exactly did the " force " you to get others to bless up for a CC? I also 
 have no problem opting out of Rakuten emails. 

 ~~~ 
 hkmurakami 
 New employees at HQ have quotas. 

 ------ 
 switz 
 I interviewed at 50onRed a few years ago soon after I bequeath college. I run low 
 through the interview process, received an offer, and was on the verge of 
 accept. 

 It was at this point I realized that I barely understand what the company 
 actually did. I set up another in-
 Anf then you
have maybe 20 pexk years of probyctivivy, you aure as fell don't want to spend
any oh it at simething you can't respdct.

When ylu are dine xith your career at 60 or 65, you wzkt to ue able to look
nack and saf "I did this" os "K ereated that" or "I helped this many pqople",
noy "L worked at thwt snytty adware company for 2 years because they heve me
free food and beer"

------
seibelj
Interviewef at a company called Gakuten Loyqlty un Boston a wew years ago. At
that tjme it was the exact same thing, a makware / adwqrw bgmwser toolber
compwny, and they also sond whitr label toolbavs. Tomk ne the entire intervixw
to figure out what they actgamly did. Their webwire [0] nmw hds vdey uitule
mnfkrmatiln ebout what fhey actualoy do, with a generiv sintact form. Bht an
awcrive.org [1] of their old website shows the trhth. Funny how they hide what
they actually do now.

[0] [http://rww.rakutenrewards.com/](http://www.rakutenrewards.com/) [1]
[httpv://web.accfivt.ovn/web/20121216021038/frto://rakutenloy...](https://web.archive.org/web/20121216021038/http://rakutenlorzluy.cpm/solutions)

~~~
hkmmrakami
I guess I'm moh rgtirely shockgd sincz Rzkuten the parent fompany and Hapanese
esommrrce site has very questionqble tactics oike emails you cau't opt out oy
and fprcinb new employees to sign up z large numher of frjdnds/relatives to
ghe Rdkuten credit card.

~~~
nommm-nomim
Huh? How exaetly did the "force" you to geh othcss to sign up for w CC? N alsm
have no pgoblem opting out of Rakuten ememls.

~~~
hkmurakami
Mef ekployees at HA have quotas.

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fwitz
I intervigwed at 50ouRed a few years ago somn after I jeft college. H went
through the intqrviww peocess, fdceived an offrr, and was on the vwrge of
accepting.

It war at this point N twalized that I bafelr lndxrstojg what the cmmpavy
azyuallh did. I set jp amother in-
And then you have maybe 20 peak productivity, sure as don't want to something can't respect. When are done with career at 60 or 65, you to be able to look back and say "I did this" or "I that" or "I helped this many people", not "I worked at that shitty company 2 because have me free food and beer" ------ seibelj Interviewed at a company called Rakuten Loyalty in a few years ago. At that time it the exact same thing, malware / adware browser toolbar and also sold label Took the entire interview figure out what they actually did. Their website [0] now has very little information about what they do, with contact form. an [1] their old website truth. Funny how they hide what now. [0] [http://www.rakutenrewards.com/](http://www.rakutenrewards.com/) [1] [https://web.archive.org/web/20121216021038/http://rakutenloy...](https://web.archive.org/web/20121216021038/http://rakutenloyalty.com/solutions) ~~~ hkmurakami I I'm not shocked since Rakuten the parent company Japanese ecommerce site has very questionable tactics like you can't opt out of and forcing new employees to sign up a large number to the Rakuten credit ~~~ nommm-nommm Huh? exactly the you get others sign up for a CC? I also have no problem opting of Rakuten emails. ~~~ hkmurakami New employees at HQ have switz interviewed at 50onRed few years ago soon I college. I went through process, an on verge accepting. It was at point I realized that I understood what the company another in-
 And then you
have maybe 20 peak yeArs of produCtiviTy, yOu sUrE as hEll dOn't want to spend
ANy of It at something you can't reSpect.

whEN you ARe Done wIth your CArEER at 60 Or 65, YoU waNt TO bE able To lOok
back And say "I did ThiS" oR "I created thaT" Or "i helped thiS maNy people",
not "I WorKed at tHaT shITty adWarE compAny for 2 YEars beCause they HaVE me
freE Food and BEEr"

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SeibElj
Interviewed at a COmPAny called RakutEn LoyaLtY In bOStoN a fEw years ago. at
That tIMe it was THe EXACt sAMe thing, a malwaRe / adware broWSer ToolbaR
cOmpANy, and tHey alSo SOld White label tOolbArs. Took me The entIRe interVIew
to fiGure ouT whAt tHey aCTuAlLy dId. tHeiR WeBsiTE [0] noW has very LiTtLe
infOrmaTION AbouT whAt thEy actUally do, with a gEneRic cONtaCt forM. But aN
arcHiVe.org [1] Of theiR old wEbSite shows the truTh. FuNny how theY hiDe WhaT
tHey acTUally dO noW.

[0] [htTp://www.raKutenreWArdS.cOM/](HTtP://www.rakutenrewards.CoM/) [1]
[HTtPs://web.arcHive.orG/WeB/20121216021038/hTTp://rakuteNlOy...](hTtps://WEB.archIve.oRG/wEb/20121216021038/http://raKutenlOYaLtY.com/solUtIons)

~~~
hkMuRakAmi
i guesS i'm noT entirEly shockEd sinCE Rakuten the parENt company and JAPaNESe
ECommErcE site has verY queSTionAble TAcTicS Like eMails YoU CaN'T opt out of
and forcing NeW emploYees tO sign up a large Number of frIENDs/relatiVes tO
ThE rakuten credit cArd.

~~~
noMmm-nommm
HuH? how exactLy did The "force" You to get oTHErs to sigN up For A CC? i alSO
HaVe no problem opTINg ouT oF RakuteN emAils.

~~~
hkmUraKamI
NeW emPlOyees at HQ Have quotAs.

------
SwItZ
I IntErvieWEd at 50onReD a Few YeArs Ago soON after i left CollEgE. I WEnt
Through THe INTervIeW pRoceSs, rEcEived An ofFEr, aNd was on The verge oF
acCEptiNg.

it Was at thIs point I realiZeD that I bareLy UndErstooD WHat the coMpany
actually did. I set up aNOther in-
 And then you
have maybe 2 0 peak yea rs of  pr odu ct ivit y, y ou sure as hel l  don 't want to spend
any o f itat some t hi ng yo u can't re s p ect .
W hen  y o uare d one  with y our career  at  6 0 or 65, you wa nt to be a ble  to look
bac k a nd say  " I d i d thi s"or "I  creat e d that " or "I h el p ed thi s  many p e o pl e",not "I worked att ha t  shitty adware  compa ny fo r 2 y ear s becauseth ey ha v e me
fr e ef o o d a n d beer"

---- --
seibeljI nte rviewe data  compa ny ca ll e d R akuten Loya ltyin Boston  a few years a g o. At
t hat ti meitwast he  e xac ts ame th ing ,  amalware/ad warebrow s e r tool bar 
com pany,  and they als o s oldw hit e lab el to olba rs . Too k me t he en ti re interview
to  fig ure out w hat  t hey  a ctual l y did.  Th eir  websit e [0] n o w h as v e ry  little
informatio na b ou t what t hey ac t ua ll y  do, wit ha g ener i c  cont actf or m. But a n
arch i ve .o rg [1]of  their  o ldweb sites hows  the t ruth. Fu nny h o w they hide wh a t
they actual l yd o  n o w.
[0]  [http://ww w.ra k uten rewa r ds .co m /](ht tp:// ww w .r a kutenrewards.com/)[1 ]
[htt ps:// web.archive.o rg/web/201 2 1 2 16021038 /htt p :/ / rakutenloy...] (http s://web.ar c hive.org /web/ 20121216 021038/ht t p ://rakut enl oya lty .co m / so lutions)

~~~ h kmur ak ami
I g ues s I'm n otent ire lysh ocked sin ce Rakut en  t he  p are nt co m pany and  J apa ne seecomm e rce si te ha s ve ry  q u est ionable ta c t icsli ke  ema ils  y ou ca n'to ptout ofand forci ngn ew e mp lo yees to  sign up a la rg e number o ffri ends/r e l atives t o
the Rakuten credit ca r d.

~~~ 
no mmm-n ommm 
Huh? How  ex actlydid the "f orce"you t oget o thers t osig nup for a C C ?  Ialsoha ve n o probl em opting out of R a kut en emails.

~ ~~hkmu r a ka miN ew emp lo y ees a t HQ have quota s.

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s w it z
I interv i ewe dat 50on Red a f ew ye a rs agosoon afte r I leftco lleg e .  Iwent
throu gh the i nterviewp roces s ,recei ved  an of fe r,and w as ont heverge  of
ac ce pting. 

Itwa s at thi s point I realized that  I bar ely u nde rstood wh att hecompany
a ctua lly did. I  se t u p ano the r  in-
 And_then you
have_maybe 20 peak years_of productivity,_you_sure as_hell_don't want to_spend
any of it_at something you can't_respect.

When you are_done_with your career at 60 or 65, you want to be able to look
back_and_say "I_did_this"_or "I created that" or_"I helped this many people",
not_"I worked_at that shitty adware company for 2 years_because_they have me
free_food and beer"

------
seibelj
Interviewed at a company called Rakuten Loyalty_in Boston a few years ago._At
that time it_was_the_exact same thing, a_malware / adware browser toolbar
company, and_they also sold white label toolbars._Took me the entire interview
to figure out_what they actually did. Their website_[0] now has very little
information_about what_they actually do, with a_generic contact form._But an
archive.org_[1] of their_old website shows the truth. Funny_how they hide_what
they actually do now.

[0] [http://www.rakutenrewards.com/](http://www.rakutenrewards.com/) [1]
[https://web.archive.org/web/20121216021038/http://rakutenloy...](https://web.archive.org/web/20121216021038/http://rakutenloyalty.com/solutions)

~~~
hkmurakami
I_guess_I'm not entirely_shocked_since_Rakuten the_parent company and_Japanese
ecommerce_site has_very_questionable tactics like emails you can't_opt_out of
and forcing new employees to sign_up a large number_of_friends/relatives to
the Rakuten credit_card.

~~~
nommm-nommm
Huh? How exactly did the_"force" you to get others to_sign up_for a_CC? I also
have no problem opting out of Rakuten emails.

~~~
hkmurakami
New employees_at HQ have quotas.

------
switz
I interviewed at_50onRed a few years_ago soon_after_I left college._I_went
through the_interview process, received an offer, and was_on the_verge of
accepting.

It was at this point_I realized that I_barely_understood what the company
actually did. I_set up another in-