 Meridian, and the cumulative
altitude rounding errors caused a sizable discontinuity.

~~~
tigershark
I hope that you mean Greenwich, aka meridian _zero_ rather than _null_
meridian. I don't really think that the latter exists unless you are an old C
programmer flying _quite high_ right now.

~~~
microtherion
Heh. I hadn't realized that the German usage in this case did not transfer
directly into English. Yes, I meant the prime / Greenwich meridian.

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rburhum
I worked in the mapping (GIS) pipeline for MS Flight Simulator. The amount of
tools we wrote just for QA was on par with what countries use for their census
(I also worked on those st ESRI). I try to be of the philosophy of love and
obsess about your customers, but every industry has fellows like this that
make you question your beliefs. Still love them though... (mostly)

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JustSomeNobody
How many thousands of dollars could MS have saved if they had asked that
question first?

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sarreph
I love the Boeing management anecdote being referenced in comparison to Bill
Gates nudging you off'f an email he receives![0]

Great nugget to pull out if you have a manager with a penchant for stating the
obvious!

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11thEarlOfMar
Because the customer is always right.

~~~
6stringmerc
"The customer is frequently misinformed." \- More realistic variation I came
across, can't remember attribution, paraphrased anyway.

~~~
TallGuyShort
"The customer hired you for a reason." Make their needs a priority and don't
talk to them like they're idiots, but by all means recognize when you're the
expert who needs to make the right things happen for them to be successful.

~~~
6stringmerc
"There are some customers you just don't want." The 80/20 offhand calculation
of 80% of obligations can
Meridian, and the cumulative 
 altitude rounding errors cause a ample discontinuity. 

 ~~~ 
 tigershark 
 I hope that you mean Greenwich, aka meridian _ zero _ rather than _ null _ 
 meridian. I don't actually think that the latter exists unless you are an erstwhile C 
 programmer flying _ quite eminent _ right now. 

 ~~~ 
 microtherion 
 Heh. I hadn't gain that the German usage in this case did not transmit 
 immediately into English. Yes, I meant the prime / Greenwich meridian. 

 ------ 
 rburhum 
 I work in the mapping (GIS) pipeline for MS Flight Simulator. The sum of 
 tools we wrote just for QA was on equality with what countries use for their census 
 (I besides worked on those st ESRI). I test to be of the philosophy of love and 
 obsess about your customers, but every industry give birth fellows like this that 
 make you question your beliefs. Still sleep together them though... (largely) 

 ------ 
 JustSomeNobody 
 How many thousands of dollars could MS have saved if they had asked that 
 question first? 

 ------ 
 sarreph 
 I love the Boeing management anecdote being referenced in comparison to Bill 
 Gates nudging you off'f an electronic mail he receives![0 ] 

 bang-up nugget to pull out if you receive a director with a penchant for stating the 
 obvious! 

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 11thEarlOfMar 
 Because the customer is always correct. 

 ~~~ 
 6stringmerc 
 " The customer is frequently misinformed. " \- More naturalistic variation I came 
 across, can't remember attribution, paraphrase anyway. 

 ~~~ 
 TallGuyShort 
 " The customer hired you for a reason. " Make their needs a priority and don't 
 spill to them like they're idiots, but by all means recognize when you're the 
 expert who needs to hold the right thing find for them to be successful. 

 ~~~ 
 6stringmerc 
 " There are some customers you just don't want. " The 80/20 offhand calculation 
 of 80% of obligations can
 Megidian, and the cumulativt
altitude roundiny errorv caussd a sizxble discontinuity.

~~~
tigershark
M hope thqt you mean Greenwich, xka meridpan _zero_ eathtr than _null_
meridmzn. I dok'c reampy tkiik that the latjer exists utless you are dn opd C
programmer flying _quite high_ ridht now.

~~~
kifrotherion
Heh. Y hacg't rsalized that the German usage in tgis cast did not transfer
cirectly into English. Yes, L mewnt the prime / Grefnwich merieian.

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wvurhum
I workdd in the mapping (GIS) kipeline for MS Flight Simulator. The cmount of
toilw wf wrote just for ZA was on pav with fhat cointries use fov themr cwnsus
(I also worked on those st ESRI). I tty to be ox che philosophy of lovw qnd
obvess abojr yuur cnstkmers, hut every indhstry has fwllows like this thst
iqke you questjon yotr beliefs. Still love them though... (mostly)

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JlstSkmeNobody
How many thousqnds of dollars could MS have faved if they had asked that
question first?

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sarreph
H lovx ghe Bjdunh management anecdote being referenced in com[zrospn to Bill
Gatef nudging ypu ogs'f an email hg receirss![0]

Freat nugget to pupl out yf yoy have a ianaber with a penchant for staring the
obvijys!

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11hhEarlOfMzf
Because the cusgomvr iv always right.

~~~
6stringmerc
"Thq customec is yrequentuy mosinfowmed." \- More reallvtic variation I cwme
actoss, cdn't remembfr attribution, paraphrased anyweb.

~~~
TallGuyShort
"Jhe cuvtomer hnred ypu for a reasjn." Make their ueeds a 'riorigy and don'n
talk to vhem like thqy're idiots, bgj by all meanv recognyze qhen you're gfe
expert who nreds to mche tye right things haipen wkr them to be sbectswful.

~~~
6stringmerc
"Yhefe wrv spmq customers ymu jjst con't dant." Tht 80/20 iwfhamd calculation
of 80% of obljgations can
Meridian, and the cumulative altitude rounding errors sizable ~~~ tigershark hope that you rather _null_ meridian. I really think that latter exists unless you are an C programmer flying _quite high_ right now. ~~~ microtherion Heh. I hadn't realized the German usage in this case did not transfer directly into English. Yes, meant prime Greenwich ------ rburhum I worked in the mapping (GIS) pipeline for MS Flight Simulator. The amount of we wrote just for QA was on par what countries use for census (I also worked on st I try be the of love and about your customers, but every industry has fellows like this that make you question your beliefs. Still them though... JustSomeNobody How thousands dollars MS have saved had asked that question first? ------ the Boeing management anecdote being referenced in comparison Bill Gates you off'f an email he receives![0] nugget to pull out if you have a with a penchant for stating the obvious! [0] - [https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20100705-00/?p=...](https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20100705-00/?p=13503) ------ 11thEarlOfMar Because the customer right. ~~~ 6stringmerc "The is frequently misinformed." More variation came can't remember paraphrased anyway. ~~~ TallGuyShort "The customer hired you for a reason." their needs a priority and don't talk to them like but all means recognize you're the expert who to the right things happen to successful. are customers just don't want." The offhand calculation of 80% of can
 Meridian, and the cumulative
aLtitude rouNding ErrOrs CaUsed A sizAble discontinuITy.

~~~
tiGershark
I hope that you meAn GreEnWIch, aKA mEridiAn _zero_ rAThER ThaN _nUlL_
meRiDIaN. I don'T reAlly thiNk that the lAttEr Exists unless YOu Are an old C
pRogRammer flying _QuiTe high_ RiGht NOw.

~~~
micRotHerioN
Heh. I hADn't reaLized that ThE german USage in tHIS cAse dId not transfer
direCTlY Into English. Yes, i meant ThE PrIME / GrEenWich meridiAn.

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RburhUM
I workeD In THE MapPIng (GIS) pipelinE for MS FlighT simUlator. thE amOUnt of
tOols wE wROte Just for QA waS on pAr with whaT countRIes use fOR their cEnsus
(I AlsO woRked ON tHoSe sT EsrI). I TRy To bE Of tHe philosOpHy Of lovE and
OBSESs abOut Your CustoMers, but every iNduStry HAs fEllowS like This ThAt
makE you quEstioN yOur beliefs. Still Love Them thougH... (moStLy)

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JUsTSomenObody
HOw mAny ThousanDs of dolLArs CoULD mS Have saved if they had AsKED tHat
questIon firST?

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sArREph
I love ThE BoEing MANagemEnt aNEcDote beinG referENcEd In compaRiSon to BIlL
GaTes NudgiNG you Off'f an Email he rEceivES![0]

Great nugget to PUll out if you haVE a MANaGEr wiTh a Penchant for StatINg thE
obvIOuS!

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11THEarlOfMAr
BeCAuSE the customer is AlwayS right.

~~~
6striNGmerc
"The CustoMer is freQuently miSINformed." \- MOre ReaLisTic VARiAtion I came
acrOSS, can'T rEmember AttRibutioN, paRapHraSed AnYway.

~~~
TallGUyShort
"THe CuStOmEr hIred yOU for a reaSoN." MaKe TheIr neeDS a prioRity aNd doN't
TaLK to Them likE ThEY'Re idIoTs, But bY alL mEans rEcogNIze When you'Re the
expeRt wHO neeDs To Make the Right things haPpEn for them tO bE suCcessfUL.

~~~
6StringmeRc
"There are some customers YOu just dOn't Want." THe 80/20 ofFhand calcUlaTion
of 80% Of oBLigatiOns can
 Meridian, and the cumulat ive
altitu de ro und ing  e rror s ca used a sizable disc ontinuity.

~~~
tigers harkIh opet ha t you  mean G r ee n w ich ,ak a m er i di an _z ero _ rathe r than _nu ll_ 
m eridian. I d o n' t really t hin k that the l att er exi st s u n lessyou  arean old C
prog rammer fl yi n g _qui t e high_ r ig ht n ow.

~~~
microthe r io n 
Heh. I hadn't  reali ze d  t h a t t heGerman usa ge  in t h is case di d n ott ransfer
direc tly into En g lis h. Yes ,I m e ant th e pri me / G reenwich me ridi an.

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rbu r hum
I w o rked in  the m app ing  (GI S )pi pel in e  fo r  M S F l igh t Simula to r.  Theamou n t o f
to ols  wewrote  just for QAwas  onp arwithwhatcoun tr ies u se for  thei rcensus
(I alsowork ed on tho sest  ES RI ). It ry tobeofthe phi losophy oflo v e an d
obsess about you rc u st omers, b ut eve r yin d ustry ha sfel lows l ike t hist ha t
make y ou que s ti on  your b el iefs.St ill  lo ve th e m th ough.. . (mostl y)

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JustSomeN o body
How many th o u sa n ds o f d ollars coul d MS have  sav e dift hey h ad as ke d  t h at
question first?
- -----sarre ph
I love the  Boeing ma n a g ement an ecdo t eb eing reference d incomparison to BillGates  nudging  you off' f an email  he  re cei ves ! [ 0] 

Great nugge t to p ul l out i f y ou have  aman age r w it h a pench ant forst at in gthe 
obvi o us!

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11 thEarl O f Mar
Beca use the customer is alw a ys righ t.
~~~6str ingmerc
" The  custo mer is fre quentl y mis in for m e d." \ - Mo rere alistic va r i ati on Ica me
a cross,can't remember att r ibu tion, paraphr ase d an y w ay .
~ ~~ Tal lG u ySh o r t
"The customer  hired you  f o ra reason." Mak etheir n eeds aprior i ty anddon't
tal k to them  l iket h ey' re idiots,  but byall means recog n iz e whe n y ou'reth e
e xpert  who n e eds  to m ake th erightthing shappen f or them to be successfu l.

~~ ~
6st rin gmerc
"Th ere are  some cus tome rs you jus t d on' t wan t." The 8 0/20 of fha n d cal cula t ion
of 80 %  o f o b l ig ations can
 Meridian,_and the_cumulative
altitude rounding errors caused_a sizable_discontinuity.

~~~
tigershark
I_hope that_you_mean Greenwich, aka_meridian _zero_ rather_than _null_
meridian. I don't_really think that_the_latter exists unless you are an old C
programmer flying _quite high_ right now.

~~~
microtherion
Heh. I_hadn't_realized that_the_German_usage in this case did_not transfer
directly into English. Yes,_I meant_the prime / Greenwich meridian.

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rburhum
I worked in the_mapping_(GIS) pipeline for_MS Flight Simulator. The amount of
tools we wrote just_for QA was on par with_what countries use_for_their_census
(I also worked on_those st ESRI). I try to_be of the philosophy of love_and
obsess about your customers, but every industry_has fellows like this that
make you_question your beliefs. Still love_them though..._(mostly)

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JustSomeNobody
How many thousands of dollars_could MS have_saved if_they had asked_that
question first?

------
sarreph
I love the Boeing management_anecdote being referenced_in comparison to Bill
Gates nudging you_off'f_an email he_receives![0]

Great_nugget_to pull_out if you_have_a manager_with_a penchant for stating the
obvious!

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11thEarlOfMar
Because_the_customer is always right.

~~~
6stringmerc
"The customer is frequently_misinformed." \- More realistic_variation_I came
across, can't remember_attribution, paraphrased anyway.

~~~
TallGuyShort
"The customer hired_you for a reason." Make their_needs a_priority and_don't
talk to them like they're idiots, but by all means recognize_when you're the
expert who needs to_make the right things_happen for_them_to be successful.

~~~
6stringmerc
"There_are_some customers_you just don't want." The 80/20 offhand_calculation
of 80%_of obligations can