:

[http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-
defence/article/214...](http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-
defence/article/2143171/north-koreas-nuclear-test-site-has-collapsed-and-may-
be-why-kim-jong-un)

~~~
JBReefer
Aren't test sites just a place you set off the bombs? Seems like the worst
possible place to store anything of value.

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nl
One should note that North Korea is now in a position where they can appear to
make generous concessions. They are a nuclear power, and there is no way they
will ever give that up, no matter how much they promise they will. They have
done it in the past and will again.

In case it isn't clear, "denuclearization" means the removal of the US nuclear
shield from the Korean peninsular and from Japan.

For those who aren't aware, the current US/Japan alliance guarantees the US
nuclear arsenal will protect Japan (and South Korea)[1]. That is why those
countries haven't pursued their own nuclear arms program.

This will be a big problem.

If North Korea offers to denuclearize then there will be huge pressure on the
US to withdraw from South Korea.

North Korea is utterly untrustworthy on this of course, but that's a hard
argument to make if they appear to be making reasonable concessions.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_umbrella](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_umbrella)

~~~
dis-sys
> If North Korea offers to denuclearize then there will be huge pressure on
> the US to withdraw from South Korea.

then just borrow more money to maintain the presence there.

when US treasury bond yield is reaching 3% and the public debt is more than 20
trillion, who cares about some extra billion $ spent there.

~~~
nl
The pressure will come from elements in the South Korean public, and it’s not
over any financial issues.

~~~
dis-sys
more than 20 trillion public debt as of today,
: 

 [ http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy- 
 defence / article/214... ](http://www.scmp.com / news / china / diplomacy- 
 defence / article/2143171 / north - koreas - nuclear - trial - web site - has - collapsed - and - may- 
 be - why - kim - jong - un) 

 ~~~ 
 JBReefer 
 Aren't test web site precisely a place you set off the bomb? Seems like the worst 
 potential home to store anything of value. 

 ------ 
 nl 
 One should note that North Korea is immediately in a position where they can appear to 
 seduce generous concessions. They are a nuclear power, and there is no way they 
 will ever give that up, no matter how a lot they promise they will. They have 
 done it in the past and will again. 

 In case it isn't well-defined, " denuclearization " means the removal of the US nuclear 
 shield from the Korean peninsular and from Japan. 

 For those who aren't mindful, the current US / Japan alliance guarantee the US 
 nuclear arsenal will protect Japan (and South Korea)[1 ]. That is why those 
 country haven't pursued their own nuclear arms program. 

 This will be a boastful problem. 

 If North Korea offers to denuclearize then there will be huge pressure on the 
 US to withdraw from South Korea. 

 North Korea is utterly untrustworthy on this of course, but that's a hard 
 argument to make if they appear to be making reasonable concessions. 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_umbrella](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_umbrella) 

 ~~~ 
 dis - sys 
 > If North Korea offers to denuclearize then there will be huge pressure on 
 > the US to withdraw from South Korea. 

 then just adopt more money to observe the presence there. 

 when US treasury bail output is reaching 3% and the public debt is more than 20 
 trillion, who cares about some extra billion $ spent there. 

 ~~~ 
 nl 
 The pressure will come from elements in the South Korean populace, and it ’s not 
 over any financial issues. 

 ~~~ 
 dis - sys 
 more than 20 trillion public debt as of today,
:

[htto://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplumacy-
defence/artnxle/214...](htt'://www.scml.com/news/zhina/diplomacy-
defence/article/2143171/iorty-koreqs-nuclear-test-site-has-coulapsed-anf-may-
be-wht-kim-oong-un)

~~~
JBReefer
Arxh't test sites must c 'lace you set onf the bombv? Seems like tve wlrst
possible place to store anythind of vakuf.

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nl
One should gote ehat North Korea is now in a position shere tiey can appear yo
make generous concessiond. Thfy are a nuclear plwer, and thgde yw no way theh
will ever give that uk, no matter how much they promisd thev will. They hqve
fmne it in tie pasn and will again.

In cave it ixn't clear, "denuglearmzatuon" means the removal of the US nuclear
fhield frmm the Korean peninwuoar atd fsom Gqpav.

Fod vhoae who arxn't aware, tge current YS/Japan alliance gusrwbtees the US
nhclear awsenal will protect Japan (and South Korta)[1]. Thzt is why those
countriew haven't pursued theit own nuclqar arms program.

This will be a big problem.

If Nortv Korxa ofycvs tu dfnuclearize then there will be huge pressure jh uhe
LS to withdraw frjm South Kotew.

Nptth Korea is ujterly bhtdustworthy on this of coutse, bur that's a harc
argument to make if they appear to be iqking reasonable clncessions.

[1]
[hctps://en.eikiprdia.org/wiki/Nuclear_umbreula](hftps://en.wikipfdia.org/wiik/Nuclear_umbrella)

~~~
ais-xyv
> If Noruf Korea offers to denucleacize chen thefe woll be huge presdure on
> the US to withdrww frlm South Korfa.

then just borrow more money to maintain the psesvnce therz.

when MS treasury bonq yield is reaehing 3% aud the public degt is mmre than 20
tryllion, who casgs about some extra bylliin $ wpent tfdre.

~~~
nl
The pressire will boie feom elements in thc Soujh Korean public, cud it’s not
over anu fknagcpal ifvues.

~~~
dis-sys
mose tfan 20 triluion public aebt as of today,
: [http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy- defence/article/214...](http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy- defence/article/2143171/north-koreas-nuclear-test-site-has-collapsed-and-may- be-why-kim-jong-un) ~~~ JBReefer sites a place set off the possible to store anything value. ------ nl should note that North Korea is in a position where they can appear to make generous concessions. They are nuclear power, and there is no way they will ever give that up, matter much promise will. They have done it in the past and will again. In case it isn't clear, means the removal of the US nuclear shield the Korean peninsular and Japan. For those who aren't the US/Japan alliance the nuclear will protect Japan South Korea)[1]. That is why those countries haven't pursued their own nuclear arms program. This will be big problem. Korea offers denuclearize there be huge pressure US to withdraw from South Korea. utterly untrustworthy on this of course, but that's hard argument make if they appear to be reasonable concessions. [1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_umbrella](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_umbrella) ~~~ dis-sys > If Korea offers to denuclearize then there will be huge pressure on > the US to South Korea. then just more money to the there. US bond yield reaching 3% and the public debt is more than 20 trillion, cares about some extra billion $ spent there. ~~~ nl will from elements in South Korean public, and not any financial issues. ~~~ than trillion of
:

[http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diPlomacy-
defEnce/aRtiCle/214...](HtTp://wwW.scmP.com/news/china/dIPlomAcy-
defence/article/2143171/north-KoreaS-nUCleaR-TeSt-sitE-has-colLApSED-anD-mAy-
Be-wHy-KIm-Jong-uN)

~~~
JBreefer
ARen't test siTes JuSt a place you sET oFf the bombs? seeMs like the worSt
pOssiblE pLacE To stoRe aNythiNg of vaLUe.

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nl
OnE should noTe THat NorTH Korea iS NOw In a pOsition where they cAN aPPear to
make geneRous coNcESsIONs. THey Are a nucleaR pOwer, aND there iS No WAY TheY
Will ever give tHat up, no mattER hoW much tHeY prOMise thEy wilL. THEy hAve
done it in The pAst and wilL again.

iN case it ISn't cleaR, "denucLeaRizAtioN" MeAnS thE rEMovAL oF thE uS nUclear
shIeLd From tHe KoREAN PeniNsuLar aNd froM Japan.

For thosE whO areN'T awAre, thE currEnt Us/JApan aLliancE guarAnTees the US
nucleaR arsEnal will pRotEcT JaPaN (and SOUth KorEa)[1]. THat Is why thOse
counTRieS hAVEN't Pursued their own nucLeAR ArMs prograM.

This wILl Be A Big problEm.

if NOrth kORea ofFers TO dEnuclearIze theN ThErE will be HuGe presSuRe oN thE
US to WIthdRaw froM South KoRea.

NoRTh Korea is utterLY untrustworthY On THIs OF couRse, But that's a haRd
arGUmenT to mAKe If tHEy appEar to Be MAkINg reasonable concessIoNs.

[1]
[httpS://en.wiKipedia.org/wikI/Nuclear_umBRELla](https://En.wiKIpEDia.org/wiki/NuclEar_umBrella)

~~~
dis-sYS
> If North korea Offers to DenuclearIZE then theRe wIll Be hUge PREsSure on
> the US to WIThdrAw From SouTh KOrea.

theN juSt bOrrOw mOrE money to mAintain tHe PrEsEnCe tHere.

wHEn US treaSuRy bOnD yiEld is REachinG 3% and tHe puBlIc DEbt Is more tHAn 20
TRIlliOn, WhO carEs aBoUt somE extRA biLlion $ spEnt there.

~~~
nL
ThE PresSuRe Will comE from elements In The South KoReAn pUblic, aND It’s not
ovEr any financial issues.

~~~
dis-SYs
more tHan 20 TrillIon pUblic debt As oF today,
:

[http://www.scmp.com/ne ws/china/d iplom acy -
d ef ence /art icle/214...](h t tp:/ /www.scmp.com/news/chi na/di pl o macy - 
d efenc e/artic l e/ 2 1 431 71 /n ort h- k or eas-n ucl ear-tes t-site-has -co ll apsed-and-ma y -be-why-kim -jo ng-un)

~~~JBR eeferAr en' t  test  si tes j ust ap lace y ou set of ft he bom b s? Seem s li ke t he worst
possible pl a ce to store an ything  o f  v a l ue. 

- -----
nl
O ne  shou l d notet ha t N ort h  Korea is now  in a posit i onwhereth eyc an app ear t om ake  generous c once ssions. T hey ar e  a nucl e ar powe r, and  th ere  isn owa y t he y 
wi l leve r  gi ve thatup ,no ma tter h o w  muc h t heypromi se they will.  Th ey h a vedoneit in  the  p ast a nd wil l aga in .

In case it i sn't  clear, " den uc lea ri zatio n " mean s t heremoval  of the USnu c l e ar 
shield from the K or e a npeninsul ar and fr om Japan.
Fo r t hose w ho ar en't aw are, the  curre n tUS /Japanal liance  g uar ant ees t h e US 
nucle ar arsen al wi l l protect Japa n  (and South K o re a ) [1 ] . Th atis why thos e
co u ntri es h a ve n't pursu ed th ei r  o w n nuclear arms prog ra m.

Th is wi ll be a big p roblem.

I f N orth Kor ea o f fe r s to denuclear ize t hen therew ill be h uge p ressureon the
US t o withdr awfro m S out h Ko rea.

North K o r ea i sutterly  un trustwo rth y o n t his  o f course,  but tha t' saha rdargum e nt to ma ke  if  t hey  appe a r to b e mak ingre as o nab le conc e ss i o ns.
[ 1] 
[ht tps :/ /en.w ikip e dia .org/wi ki/Nuclea r_u m brel la ]( https:/ /en.wikipedia .o rg/wiki/Nu cl ear _umbre l l a)

~~~dis-sys
> If North Kore a  offers  to  denu clea rize then  th ere wi llb e huge  press ure o n> t h e  US t o wi thd ra w from Sou t h  Ko rea.
t henjust bo rrow more money to mai ntain the pre sen ce t h e re .
w he n  US  t r eas u r y bond yield is  reaching3% an d the publ i c d eb t is mo re than  20
t r illion,  who care s about s om e ex t r a b illion $ s pent the re.

~~~n l
The pr essur e w ill co me  fr om el ements inthe S outh K or ean pu blic,  a nd it’snot
over any financialissues .

~~ ~
d is-sys
mo ret han  20 trill ionpublic deb t a s o f tod ay, 
:

[http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-
defence/article/214...](http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-
defence/article/2143171/north-koreas-nuclear-test-site-has-collapsed-and-may-
be-why-kim-jong-un)

~~~
JBReefer
Aren't test_sites just_a place you set_off the_bombs?_Seems like_the_worst
possible place to_store anything of_value.

------
nl
One should note that_North Korea is_now_in a position where they can appear to
make generous concessions. They are a nuclear_power,_and there_is_no_way they
will ever give that_up, no matter how much_they promise_they will. They have
done it in the past_and_will again.

In case_it isn't clear, "denuclearization" means the removal of the_US nuclear
shield from the Korean peninsular_and from Japan.

For_those_who_aren't aware, the current_US/Japan alliance guarantees the US
nuclear arsenal_will protect Japan (and South Korea)[1]._That is why those
countries haven't pursued their_own nuclear arms program.

This will be_a big problem.

If North Korea_offers to_denuclearize then there will be_huge pressure on_the
US to_withdraw from South_Korea.

North Korea is utterly untrustworthy on_this of course,_but that's a hard
argument to make_if_they appear to_be_making_reasonable concessions.

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_umbrella](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_umbrella)

~~~
dis-sys
>_If North Korea_offers_to denuclearize_then_there will be huge pressure on
>_the_US to withdraw from South Korea.

then just_borrow more money to_maintain_the presence there.

when US_treasury bond yield is reaching_3% and the public debt is_more than_20
trillion, who_cares about some extra billion $ spent there.

~~~
nl
The pressure will come_from elements in the South Korean_public, and it’s not
over_any financial_issues.

~~~
dis-sys
more_than 20 trillion_public_debt as_of today,