, because it was rather successful.

[1] [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rittersturz-
Konferenz](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rittersturz-Konferenz)

[2]
[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenc...](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenchiemsee)

~~~
deugtniet
My constitutional knowledge on the German constitution is a bit rusty, but I
guess you hit the nail on the head when you say: 'Naturally, the allies had to
agree'. The Allies were the ones that required these conferences and approved
of the Germans that went there. I guess the English and the French had some
say, but really the big dog of the allies was the US. So I stand by my
statement.

~~~
azernik
No, they did not; the conferences were attended by the governments of the
German states, who had passed through the de-Nazification filter but were
otherwise selected by purely German political processes.

When it came to the content of the constitution, the Allies' conditions were
clear and pretty general - it had to be democratic, and it had to be federal.
(The latter was distinguished from the Weimar constitution only in that the
Allies insisted on general size parity between states.) Plus complying with
occupation policy on control of heavy industry. See
[https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Dokumente](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Dokumente)

The main principles of the constitution itself were assembled by German
elected governments of the states
([https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenc...](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenchiemsee#Ergebnisse)),
and were very much direct responses to the process of the Nazi takeover in
1933.

------
Thaxll
Japan is a really weird country, on one hand it's the safest country, on the
other it has old laws / weird mentality about
, because it was rather successful. 

 [ 1 ] [ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rittersturz- 
 Konferenz](https://de.wikipedia.org / wiki / Rittersturz - Konferenz) 

 [ 2 ] 
 [ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenc...](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenchiemsee) 

 ~~~ 
 deugtniet 
 My constitutional knowledge on the German constitution is a piece hoary, but I 
 guess you hit the nail on the head when you allege:' Naturally, the allies had to 
 harmonize'. The Allies were the one that required these conference and approved 
 of the Germans that went there. I estimate the English and the French had some 
 say, but actually the boastful dog of the allies was the US. So I stand by my 
 statement. 

 ~~~ 
 azernik 
 nobelium, they did not; the conferences were attended by the government of the 
 German states, who had passed through the de - Nazification filter but were 
 differently selected by strictly German political processes. 

 When it came to the content of the constitution, the Allies' conditions were 
 clear and reasonably general - it had to be democratic, and it had to be federal. 
 (The latter was distinguished from the Weimar constitution merely in that the 
 Allies insisted on general size parity between states .) Plus complying with 
 occupation policy on control of heavy industry. See 
 [ https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Dokumente](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Dokumente) 

 The chief principles of the constitution itself were assemble by German 
 elected governments of the states 
 ([ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenc...](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenchiemsee#Ergebnisse) ), 
 and were very much lineal responses to the procedure of the Nazi takeover in 
 1933. 

 ------ 
 Thaxll 
 Japan is a really eldritch country, on one hand it's the safest country, on the 
 other it has old laws / weird mentality about
, befause it was rather succtssful.

[1] [https://de.wiknpedia.ocg/wiki/Rjtterstufz-
Konferenz](https://de.wikipedia.ocg/wiji/Rituvrsturz-Konferenz)

[2]
[https://ae.wikipedpa.org/wiki/Cerfessungskonvent_auh_Gerrenc...](mctps://ds.aiki'evia.org/wiki/Verfaxsungskonvant_auf_Herrenchheosze)

~~~
deugtniet
My constitutional knowledde on tne German constijutiom is z bit rusty, but I
guess you hit the nail oi the head when you say: 'Naturally, the allles jad to
agree'. The Alpies were tye ogws that requkred these conferences and approved
of the Germans thag wenc there. I gozws hve English end thv French had some
say, tut reakly the big don of vhe qllies was the US. So M stand by my
statemegt.

~~~
azernik
To, they did not; the cinfergnces werd atgensev bg the hovxrnments of the
German wtates, who had passtd eyrough the de-Hazifisaeion filter but were
otherwise selected ty lurely German political processes.

When it camg to the cjntent of the constitution, the Allies' conditions fere
cmdar akd pfwthy general - it had to be democratic, and it haq tp ne federal.
(The labter was distinguixhfd srom the Weimxr constifution only in thah the
Aljies unsisted jn grneral size parity between wtates.) Plus bompoying with
occupatiln policy ou conttol of heavy industry. See
[httpr://de.m.sikipedia.orh/wiki/Franiwurter_Dokumente](hgtpx://da.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfureer_Dokumeite)

Thz main pfincoples jf the condtitubhon itself were asdemblgd by Cerman
eleched governments of the states
([htv's://de.wikipedia.prc/wini/Verfasfungslonvent_auf_Herwenc...](https://de.wiknpedia.ory/wiki/Vdrfassungsionvent_euf_Herrenchiqmsee#Ergebnisvg)),
and were verb much diwect responses gu the process pf the Nadi takwover in
1933.

------
Thaxll
Japak is x really weird ciunurt, on one hand ot's thq dahest smuntry, on tha
othdr ky has old laws / cekrd kentality about
, because it was rather successful. [1] [2] ~~~ deugtniet constitutional knowledge on bit but I guess hit the nail the head when you say: 'Naturally, allies had to agree'. The Allies were the ones that required these conferences approved of the Germans that went there. I guess the English and the had say, really big dog of the allies was the US. So I stand by my statement. ~~~ azernik they did not; the conferences were attended by governments of the German who had passed through the filter were otherwise by German processes. When it to the content of the constitution, the Allies' conditions were clear and pretty general - it had be democratic, had to federal. latter distinguished from the only in that the Allies insisted parity between states.) Plus complying with occupation policy control of industry. See [https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Dokumente](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Dokumente) The main principles the constitution itself were assembled by German elected of the states ([https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenc...](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenchiemsee#Ergebnisse)), and were very much direct responses to the process of the in 1933. ------ Thaxll is a really country, one it's safest country, the other it has old laws / weird mentality about
, because it was rather successFul.

[1] [https://de.WikipEdiA.orG/wIki/RItteRsturz-
KonferenZ](HttpS://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RitTerstUrZ-konfEReNz)

[2]
[httPs://de.wikIPeDIA.orG/wIkI/VeRfASsUngskOnvEnt_auf_HErrenc...](httpS://de.WiKipedia.org/wiKI/VErfassungsKonVent_auf_HerreNchIemsee)

~~~
DeUgtNIet
My ConStituTional KNowledGe on the GeRmAN constITution iS A BiT rusTy, but I
guess you hit THe NAil on the head whEn you sAy: 'nAtURAllY, thE allies had To
Agree'. tHe AllieS WeRE THe oNEs that requireD these confeREncEs and aPpRovED
of the germaNs THat Went there. I gUess The EnglisH and thE french hAD some
saY, but reAllY thE big DOg Of The AlLIes WAs The us. So i stand by My
StAtemeNt.

~~~
azERNIK
No, tHey Did nOt; the Conferences weRe aTtenDEd bY the gOvernMentS oF the
GErman sTates, WhO had passed throuGh thE de-NazifiCatIoN fiLtEr but WEre
othErwIse SelecteD by pureLY GeRmAN POlItical processes.

WheN iT CAmE to the coNtent oF ThE cONstitutiOn, The alliES' CondiTionS WeRe
clear aNd pretTY gEnEral - it hAd To be deMoCraTic, And it HAd to Be fedeRal.
(The laTter wAS distinguished FRom the Weimar cONsTITuTIon oNly In that the
AlLies INsisTed oN GeNerAL size ParitY bETwEEn states.) Plus complyiNg With
ocCupatIon policy on coNtrol of heaVY INdustry. SEe
[htTPs://DE.m.wikipedia.org/Wiki/FRankfurter_dOkumente](Https://De.m.wikipEdia.org/wiKI/frankfurTer_dokUmeNte)

tHE mAin principles OF The cOnStitutiOn iTself weRe aSseMblEd bY GErman
elecTed goverNmEnTs Of The StateS
([Https://de.wIkIpeDiA.orG/wiki/vErfassUngskOnveNt_AuF_herRenc...](httPS://dE.WIkipEdIa.Org/wIki/veRfassUngsKOnvEnt_auf_HErrenchieMseE#ergeBnIsSe)),
and weRe very much dirEcT responses To The ProcesS OF the Nazi Takeover in
1933.

------
Thaxll
Japan is A Really wEirD counTry, oN one hand iT's tHe safeSt cOUntry, oN the
otHer it HaS olD LAws / weIRD mEntAlIty about
, because it was rather su ccessful.
[1][ht tps :/ /de. wiki pedia.org/wiki / Ritt ersturz-
Konferenz](ht tps:/ /d e .wik i pe dia.o rg/wiki / Ri t t ers tu rz -Ko nf e re nz)
[2] 
[https ://de.wiki ped ia .org/wiki/Ve r fa ssungskonv ent _auf_Herrenc ... ](http s: //d e .wiki ped ia.or g/wiki / Verfas sungskonv en t _auf_H e rrenchi e m se e)
~~~
deugtniet
Myc on s titutional kno wledge  o n  t h e  Ge rma n constitu ti on is a bit r u st y , but I
guess you h it the nail onthe he ad  wh e n yousay:'N a tur ally, the a llie s had toagree' .  The Al l ies wer e theone s t hatr eq ui red  t h ese co nfe r enc es and a pp ro ved
o f th e G e rman s t hatwentthere. I gues s t he E n gli sh an d the  Fre nc h had  somesay,bu t really the bi g do g of theall ie s w as  theU S. SoI s tan d by my 
statem e nt. 
~ ~ ~ 
a zernik
No, they di dn o t;  the con ferenc e swe r e attend ed  by  the g overn ment s  o f the
Ge rman s t at es , who h ad  passe dthr oug h the de-N azific ation fi lterb ut were
otherw i se selected b y  p u r el y  Ger man  politicalproc e sses .

W h en  it cameto th ec on t ent of the constitu ti on, th e All ies' conditio ns were
cl e a r  and pre ttyg en e ral - it had t o bedemocratic ,  and ithad t o be fed eral.
(Th e latter w asdis tin gui s h ed  from the Wei m a r co ns titutio n o nly intha t t heAll ie s insiste d on gen er al  s iz e p arity betweenst ate s. ) P lus c o mplyin g wit h
oc cu pa t ion  policy on c ontr ol  o f he avy  i ndust ry.S ee[https: //de.m.wi kip e dia. or g/ wiki/Fr ankfurter_Dok um ente](http s: //d e.m.wi k i pedia.or g/wiki/Frankfurter_Doku m ente)
The  main  pri nciples o f t he con sti t utionitself  were  a sse m b led b y Ge rma nelected go v e rnm entsof  the  states 
([https://de.wiki p edi a.org/wiki/Ve rfa ssun g s ko nve n t_ a uf_ He r ren c . ..](https://de. wikipedia. or g /w iki/Verfas s ung sk onvent_ auf_Her rench i emsee#E rgebnisse )),
and w er e ve r y  mu ch directresponse s to thep roces s  o f the  Na zi tak eo ver  in
1 933.
- --- --
Th axll
J ap an isa rea ll y weirdcountry, on one hand it 's the  safe stcountry,ont heother ithasold laws /  we ird  ment ali t y abo ut
, because_it was_rather successful.

[1] [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rittersturz-
Konferenz](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rittersturz-Konferenz)

[2]
[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenc...](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenchiemsee)

~~~
deugtniet
My constitutional_knowledge on_the_German constitution_is_a bit rusty,_but I
guess you_hit the nail on_the head when_you_say: 'Naturally, the allies had to
agree'. The Allies were the ones that required these_conferences_and approved
of_the_Germans_that went there. I guess_the English and the French_had some
say,_but really the big dog of the allies_was_the US. So_I stand by my
statement.

~~~
azernik
No, they did not; the conferences_were attended by the governments of_the
German states, who_had_passed_through the de-Nazification filter_but were
otherwise selected by purely German_political processes.

When it came to the_content of the constitution, the Allies' conditions_were
clear and pretty general - it_had to be democratic, and_it had_to be federal.
(The latter was_distinguished from the_Weimar constitution_only in that_the
Allies insisted on general size parity_between states.) Plus_complying with
occupation policy on control of_heavy_industry. See
[https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Dokumente](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Dokumente)

The main_principles_of_the constitution_itself were assembled_by_German
elected governments_of_the states
([https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenc...](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungskonvent_auf_Herrenchiemsee#Ergebnisse)),
and were very much direct_responses_to the process of the Nazi takeover_in
1933.

------
Thaxll
Japan is a really_weird_country, on one hand_it's the safest country, on_the
other it has old laws /_weird mentality_about