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aikah
An excellent article. I hope people actually read it instead of dismissing it
because someone influential on twitter doesn't like the fact that it doesn't
fit a specific narrative. I'm glad academia is starting to wake up on that
very specific issue. Good luck to its author, he is going to need it, because
some people will be out eager to destroy his career.

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matthewowen
I have extremely mixed feelings about all of this.

On the one hand, I think the whole point of university is debate, discourse,
critical thought. The apparent trend away from liberalism is very distressing.

On the other, I sympathize with the notion that liberalism can often be a way
for the privileged to entrench their privilege, and that unprivileged voices
don't benefit from it equally. If you're black and you believe that black
americans are owed reparations, you probably can't say that freely without
expecting some negative repercussions in your future life: you'll be judged
and categorized, marked as "uppity". Liberalism doesn't exist in a vacuum: we
have to take into account other societal truths when we're evaluating its
effects.

I don't have a great handle on how to reconcile all of this.

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ericjang
Meta: In the last few weeks I've noticed that articles about the recent
college protests trending up on HN, only to be flagged and vanish.

I'm struggling to understand why these articles should be flagged and removed,
rather than downvoted or debated in the comments. Thoughts?

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thegayngler
I guess you could argue the up/down voting on this forum is a question of
group think or bulling type of behavior.

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thelastguy
It's a type of group think. BUT, it is NOT a type of bullying. Bullying
requires that people shame/harass/doxx the op. Which they do not.

Compare to the universities, where students bullies other administrators to
fire other administrators for defending freedom of speech.

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thucydides
This article Haidt links on the sociology
2-78f5-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html) 

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 aikah 
 An excellent article. I hope people actually read it instead of dismissing it 
 because someone influential on chirrup doesn't wish the fact that it doesn't 
 match a specific narrative. I'm glad academia is starting to inflame up on that 
 very specific issue. Good fortune to its author, he is going to need it, because 
 some citizenry will be out eager to destroy his career. 

 ------ 
 matthewowen 
 I have highly mixed feelings about all of this. 

 On the one hand, I think the solid point of university is debate, discourse, 
 critical thought. The apparent trend aside from liberalism is very distressing. 

 On the other, I sympathize with the impression that liberalism can often be a way 
 for the privileged to impinge their privilege, and that unprivileged voice 
 don't benefit from it equally. If you're black and you believe that black 
 americans are owe reparations, you probably can't say that freely without 
 expecting some negative repercussions in your future life: you'll be judged 
 and categorized, marked as " uppity ". Liberalism doesn't exist in a vacuum: we 
 have to take into account other societal truths when we're measure its 
 effects. 

 I don't have a big handle on how to reconcile all of this. 

 ------ 
 ericjang 
 Meta: In the last few weeks I've noticed that article about the recent 
 college protests trending up on HN, only to be ease up and vanish. 

 I'm struggling to understand why these articles should be sag and removed, 
 rather than downvoted or debated in the comments. Thoughts? 

 ------ 
 thegayngler 
 I guess you could argue the up / down vote on this forum is a doubt of 
 group think or bulling type of behavior. 

 ~~~ 
 thelastguy 
 It's a character of group think. BUT, it is NOT a type of bullying. Bullying 
 requires that people shame / harass / doxx the op. Which they do not. 

 Compare to the universities, where students bullies other administrator to 
 fire other administrator for defending exemption of speech. 

 ------ 
 thucydides 
 This article Haidt links on the sociology
2-78f5-11e5-b9f1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html)

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aikah
An ewcellent article. I hope peopls actualuy read it instead of dismisdibg it
vecause someone influevtial on nwitter diesn'u like the fact tizt it doesn't
fjb a s'erific narrative. I'm glad awademia is stastkny to wake up on that
very specific isfue. Gooc puck to its aujhor, nq is going to need it, because
some peopme will be out eager to destroy his career.

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mattjewoaen
I have extremelj mixed feeoingf about all ow this.

On the one hand, J think the whole point of univdrsitv is debate, dusclorse,
critical thoudht. The appavvnt tretd away from liberalixm ms vwry distressing.

On the other, I sympathizg with the nktion that liberaoiwm cat ofden cw a wag
fpr the pgivmleged to ehtrench theur privilege, and thst lmprivileged boices
qog't benefit from it equally. If you're blabk ahd you believe that blaxk
americans are owed teparationf, you probably can't say that freely without
expecthng skoe ucnatixw gepercussions in your future life: you'll be juqfec
akd categorized, mcrked as "uppity". Kihetwlism doesn't gxist iu a vacuum: we
have to hake injo acciunt othew sovietal truths when we're evaouating its
eyfexts.

I don't have a gxeat handle un hpw to reconcile all of this.

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exicjanf
Meta: In thf last fes weeks I've noticdd nhat articles about the recent
sollege pcotescs trendkng op on HG, only to he flagged and vanish.

I'm dtrugyling to undershand why these articles should ux flagged and ramoned,
rather than downvoted or debated in thg commentf. Thojghts?

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thegajngler
I gness you coujd argue the gk/down voting mn this sorun is a quesgkon of
group thonk or bulling type of behavior.

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thelasbguy
Ij's a type of grou' uhunk. BUT, it is MOT a eyie pf tullying. Bulnyine
rediires that ptjpod shsme/harass/doxx the op. Whidh they do not.

Compsrc to the oniversityes, where stucents bullies otheg admmnistretors yo
fyre other administrators for dsfending vrecdom of speecr.

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thugydiqes
This arcicle Haidt links on the sociology
2-78f5-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html) ------ aikah An excellent article. I actually it instead dismissing it because like fact that it fit a specific I'm glad academia is starting to up on that very specific issue. Good luck to its author, he is to need it, because some people will be out eager to destroy his ------ I extremely feelings about all of this. On the one hand, I think the whole point of university debate, discourse, critical thought. The apparent trend away liberalism is very distressing. the other, I sympathize with notion liberalism can be way the privileged to their privilege, and that unprivileged voices don't benefit from it equally. If you're black and you believe black americans reparations, you can't that without expecting some in your future life: you'll be marked as "uppity". Liberalism doesn't exist in a we have take into account other societal truths we're evaluating its effects. I don't have a handle on how to reconcile all of this. ------ ericjang Meta: In the last few noticed that articles about recent college protests up HN, to flagged and I'm struggling to understand why these articles should be flagged and rather than downvoted or debated in the comments. Thoughts? ------ guess could argue the voting on this forum a of group think or of ~~~ type group BUT, it is NOT type of bullying. Bullying requires people shame/harass/doxx the op. to the universities, where students bullies other administrators fire other administrators for defending freedom of ------ thucydides This article Haidt links on the sociology
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aikah
An Excellent aRticlE. I hOpe PeOple ActuAlly read it instEAd of Dismissing it
because somEone iNfLUentIAl On twiTter doeSN't LIKe tHe FaCt tHaT It Doesn'T
fiT a speciFic narratiVe. I'M gLad academia iS StArting to waKe uP on that
very sPecIfic isSuE. GoOD luck To iTs autHor, he iS Going tO need it, beCaUSe
some PEople wiLL Be Out eAger to destroy his cAReER.

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matthewowen
I hAve extReMElY MIxeD feElings abouT aLl of tHIs.

On the ONe HAND, I tHInk the whole poInt of univerSIty Is debaTe, DisCOurse,
cRiticAl THouGht. The apparEnt tRend away fRom libERalism iS Very disTressiNg.

ON thE othER, I SyMpaThIZe wITh The NOtiOn that liBeRaLism cAn ofTEN BE a waY
foR the PriviLeged to entrenCh tHeir PRivIlege, And thAt unPrIvileGed voiCes
doN't Benefit from it eqUallY. If you're bLacK aNd yOu BelieVE that bLacK
amEricans Are owed REpaRaTIONs, You probably can't say ThAT FrEely withOut
expECtInG Some negaTiVe rEperCUSsionS in yOUr Future liFe: you'lL Be JuDged
and CaTegoriZeD, maRkeD as "upPIty". LIberalIsm doesn'T exisT In a vacuum: we
havE To take into accOUnT OThER socIetAl truths wheN we'rE EvalUatiNG iTs
eFFects.

i don't HaVE a GReat handle on how to reCoNcile aLl of tHis.

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ericjang
MeTa: In the lasT FEW weeks I'vE notICeD That articles abOut thE recent
colLEge proteSts trEnding up On HN, only tO BE flagged And VanIsh.

i'm sTRUgGling to undersTANd whY tHese artIclEs shoulD be FlaGgeD anD rEmoved,
ratHer than dOwNvOtEd Or dEbateD In the comMeNts. thOugHts?

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thEGaynglEr
I guEss yOu CoULd aRgue the UP/dOWN votInG oN thiS foRuM is a qUestIOn oF
group tHink or bulLinG Type Of BeHavior.

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tHelastguy
It's a TyPe of group tHiNk. BuT, it is not a type of Bullying. Bullying
requireS That peoPle Shame/HaraSs/doxx the Op. WHich thEy dO Not.

ComPare to The unIvErsITIes, whERE sTudEnTs bullies oTHEr aDminiStRatoRs to
firE other administratoRS foR defending freEdoM of sPEEcH.

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thUCyDIdeS
THIs aRTIcle Haidt links oN the sociolOgY
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aik ah
A n excellent ar t icle . I hope people actual ly re ad it i n st ead o f dismi s si n g  it 
b ec aus es om eoneinf luentia l on twitt erdo esn't like t h efact thatitdoesn't
fita s pecifi cnar r ative . I 'm gl ad aca d emia i s startin gt o wake up on t h a tvery  specific issue.G oo d  luck to its a uthor,  h e  i s goi ngto need it ,becau s e
somep eo p l e  wi l l be out eage r to destro y  hi s care er .
- -----matth ew o wen 
I have ext reme ly mixedfeelin g s about all ofthis.
On  th e on e  h an d,It hin k  t hew hol e pointof  u niver sity i s deba te,  dis cours e,
critical t hou ght. The  appa renttren dawayfrom l ibera li sm is very dist ress ing.

Onthe  o the r,  I sy m pathiz e w ith  the no tion th a t l ib e r a li sm can often be awa y fo r the pr ivileg e dto entrench  t hei r pr i v ilege , an d  t hat unpr ivileg e dvo ices
do n' t bene fi t f rom  it e q uall y. Ifyou're b lacka nd you believe that black
am e ri c a ns areowe d reparatio ns,y ou p roba b ly  ca n 't sa y tha tf re e ly without
expectin gsome n egati ve repercussi ons in you r f uture li fe:y ou ' ll be judged
a nd ca tegorized, marked a s "up pity". L iberalism d oesn't e xis t i n a  va c u um : we
have tot a ke i nt o accou ntother s oci eta l t rut hs  when we' re evalu at in git s
e ffect s .

I don 't  ha ve  agreat handle  on h ow t ore c onc ile all of t his. 
-- ---- 
er ic jangMeta :  In  the la st few we eks I've  n ot iced th at articles a bo ut the rec en t
c ollege p roteststrending up on HN, only to be f lag ged a nd v anish.

I 'mstrugg lin g  to un dersta nd wh ythe s e  arti c l es  sh ou ld be flag g e d a nd re mo ved, 
rather  than downvoted or deb ated in the c omm ents . Th oug h ts ? 

- -- - --t h egayngler
I gue ss you cou ld ar gue the up / dow nvotingon this  foru m  is a q uestion o f
group t hi nk o r bul ling typeof behav ior.

~~~ thela s tg uy
It 'sa type  o f g roupthink. BUT , itis NOT  a  typeof bu ll ying. Bu llying
requires that pe ople s hame/ har ass/doxxthe op.  Which th ey d o not.

Co mpa reto th e u n ivers itie s ,whe r e stu dent s  bullieso th era d mi nistratorst o fir e oth era dminis trat ors for defending freedom of spe ech. --- --- thuc yd ides
This arti cle  H a i dt links  o n the socio logy
2-78f5-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html)

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aikah
An excellent_article. I_hope people actually read_it instead_of_dismissing it
because_someone_influential on twitter_doesn't like the_fact that it doesn't
fit_a specific narrative._I'm_glad academia is starting to wake up on that
very specific issue. Good luck to_its_author, he_is_going_to need it, because
some people_will be out eager to_destroy his_career.

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matthewowen
I have extremely mixed feelings about all of_this.

On_the one hand,_I think the whole point of university is debate,_discourse,
critical thought. The apparent trend away_from liberalism is_very_distressing.

On_the other, I sympathize_with the notion that liberalism can_often be a way
for the privileged_to entrench their privilege, and that unprivileged_voices
don't benefit from it equally. If_you're black and you believe_that black
americans_are owed reparations, you probably_can't say that_freely without
expecting_some negative repercussions_in your future life: you'll be_judged
and categorized, marked_as "uppity". Liberalism doesn't exist in_a_vacuum: we
have to_take_into_account other_societal truths when_we're_evaluating its
effects.

I_don't_have a great handle on how_to_reconcile all of this.

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ericjang
Meta: In the last_few weeks I've noticed_that_articles about the recent
college_protests trending up on HN,_only to be flagged and vanish.

I'm_struggling to_understand why_these articles should be flagged and removed,
rather than downvoted or debated_in the comments. Thoughts?

------
thegayngler
I guess you_could argue the up/down_voting on_this_forum is a_question_of
group think_or bulling type of behavior.

~~~
thelastguy
It's a type_of group_think. BUT, it is NOT a_type of bullying. Bullying
requires_that_people shame/harass/doxx the op. Which they_do not.

Compare to the universities, where_students bullies other administrators to
fire_other_administrators_for defending freedom of speech.

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thucydides
This_article Haidt links on the sociology