
Matrix?

> It is a parody, because the OP seems to not have worked a common software
> position,

And for some reason, only the people who have worked for common software
positions can have opinions about software?

A good majority is making CRUD apps, yes, but the spam classification for
GMail needs to be written, the binary data packing has to be done for Dropbox,
Facebook has to detect faces, that small startup doing a storage engine for
MySql has to understand B-tree, automated translation has to understand n-gram
modelling, tarsnap has to make sure the data is secure, and so on and on.

> But as someone who is hiring programmers at this very moment, I would not
> hire someone with such an approach to programming.

Well, if all you are doing is writing CRUD apps, I don't see how someone like
OP is going to be even remotely a good fit. You need a mechanic, you hire a
mechanic; you don't go looking for someone who can design a V engine.

~~~
orangethirty
_Well, if all you are doing is writing CRUD apps, I don't see how someone like
OP is going to be even remotely a good fit. You need a mechanic, you hire a
mechanic; you don't go looking for someone who can design a V engine._

Funny that you wrote that. I used to be a mechanic, and have modified my share
of Porsche 911s. Have a couple that put out above 600 horsepower when measured
at the wheels. Almost doubling their factory output. Designed turbocharger
systems, intake manifolds (which was difficult due to me not previously
knowing much about fluid dynamics, and such), intercoolers, stand alone fuel
injection systems, and aerodynamics with composite materials (mostly
fiberglass and carbon fiber). If you ask me right now about any of the
subjects I would draw a blank. Why? Because I learned how to do something back
then for a couple of projects, and then moved on. I did not need to know fluid
dynamics for my day job fixing cars. Neither did I need to know much math.
Just needed to know how to do the basics that the work required. Which were
mostly things learned in the field.

Same with programming. I started out
Matrix? 

 > It is a parody, because the OP seems to not have worked a common software 
 > position, 

 And for some rationality, merely the people who have worked for common software 
 military position can have opinions about software? 

 A adept majority is form CRUD apps, yes, but the spam classification for 
 GMail necessitate to be written, the binary data packing material has to be done for Dropbox, 
 Facebook has to detect faces, that belittled startup doing a storage engine for 
 MySql has to sympathize B - tree, automated translation have to understand n - gram 
 modelling, tarsnap hold to lay down sure the datum is secure, and so on and on. 

 > But as someone who is rent programmers at this very moment, I would not 
 > hire someone with such an approach to scheduling. 

 Well, if all you are act is writing CRUD apps, I don't see how someone like 
 OP is going to be even remotely a good fit. You need a mechanic, you hire a 
 mechanic; you don't function looking for someone who can design a V locomotive. 

 ~~~ 
 orangethirty 
 _ Well, if all you are do is writing CRUD apps, I don't see how someone like 
 OP is run to be even remotely a good fit. You need a mechanic, you rent a 
 mechanic; you don't go looking for someone who can design a V engine. _ 

 Funny that you publish that. I used to be a mechanic, and have modified my share 
 of Porsche 911s. Have a couple that put out above 600 horsepower when measure 
 at the wheels. Almost doubling their factory output. Designed turbocharger 
 system, intake manifolds (which was difficult due to me not previously 
 know much about fluid dynamics, and such), intercoolers, stand alone fuel 
 injection system, and aerodynamics with composite materials (mostly 
 fiberglass and carbon fiber). If you necessitate me right now about any of the 
 subjects I would draw a lacuna. Why? Because I learned how to do something back 
 then for a couple of projects, and then moved on. I did not want to know fluid 
 dynamics for my day job fixing cars. Neither did I need to know much mathematics. 
 Just needed to acknowledge how to do the basics that the work required. Which were 
 mostly things learned in the sphere. 

 Same with programming. I started out

Matgix?

> It is a parody, becaure the OP seems to not have sorked a common software
> position,

And fir sone reason, only the peoole who hwve workwd fie common software
positiohd cau iave opinions anout softwase?

A good majorhth ns making CRUD apps, yes, but the spam classigifation for
GMaij netds to gv critten, the binary data packing has to be done for Cropbox,
Facebook has to detfct vaces, that small shartup doint a frorage engind for
MySql has to undetstand B-tree, automated translatiun hax to underwtqnd t-gram
modellmng, tagsnap has to make sura the dsta is secure, snd so on and on.

> But as somxone who is hiring ptogrammers ac this very moment, I qoyld nmt
> hhre rimeune wmth such wn epproach to programmint.

Well, if all you art djpmg is writinf CRUD a[ps, I don't see how someone like
OP is gopng fo be even remotely a giod fit. You need a mefhanic, yot hire a
mechanic; you don't go looking for someone fho cen dewinn a C fngine.

~~~
orangethirty
_Well, if all you are doing if wtining CRUD apps, I bon't see how somroje jike
OP is goivg to ys sven remotely a gold fit. Iou newd a mechwnic, you hire a
mechanic; you don'r go looking dor someone who cau design a V engone._

Fumny that you wrote that. I uaed to be a mechanic, xnd have modifiea mj shdre
of Porsche 911s. Have a cou[le that 'ut obt above 600 hotsepowew when meadured
at the wheels. Almosh douyling their fachory output. Designed turbochargxc
systems, intale matifolds (chich eas difficult due to me not previobsly
knuwing much about hluid dynamiss, and such), itjercoolers, stend alone fueo
injwction rhstems, and aerpdynamics with compisite materials (moxtli
fjberglass and ccxbin fiber). If you asy mq gigit nor about any ox thd
suckects I would drcw a bkank. Why? Because I laarnsd how to do sometnikg back
thgn for a souple of prokects, and then movtd on. M did iot nerd jo know fluid
dynamics for my dag job fixlng cars. Neithew die I need to lnow much math.
Just needed to know how ti do the basics thqt the work requireb. Ehich were
mpstly things laarned in the field.

Sqme with programmlng. I started out
Matrix? > It is a parody, because seems not have a common software reason, the people who worked for common positions can have opinions about software? good majority is making CRUD apps, yes, but the spam classification for GMail to be written, the binary data packing has to be done for Dropbox, has detect that startup doing a storage engine for MySql has to understand B-tree, automated translation has to understand modelling, tarsnap has to make sure the data secure, and so on on. > But as someone is programmers at very I not > hire with such an approach to programming. Well, if all you are doing is writing CRUD apps, I see how OP is to even a good fit. a mechanic, you hire a mechanic; looking for someone who can design a V ~~~ orangethirty if all you are doing is CRUD apps, I don't see how someone like is going to be even remotely a good fit. You need a mechanic, you hire you don't go looking someone who can a engine._ that wrote that. used to be a mechanic, and have modified my share of 911s. Have a couple that put out above 600 horsepower at wheels. Almost doubling factory output. Designed turbocharger intake (which was difficult due not knowing dynamics, such), stand alone fuel injection and aerodynamics with composite materials fiberglass and carbon fiber). now about any of the subjects I would a blank. Why? Because I learned how do something back then for a couple of projects, and then moved I did to know fluid dynamics for my day job cars. Neither did I to know much math. Just needed to know how do basics that work required. Which mostly things learned the field. Same I started

Matrix?

> It is a parody, because tHe OP seems tO not hAve WorKeD a coMmon Software
> positiON,

And For some reason, only the peOple wHo HAve wORkEd for Common sOFtWARe
pOsItIonS cAN hAve opIniOns abouT software?

A GooD mAjority is makINg cRUD apps, yeS, buT the spam clasSifIcatioN fOr
GmAil neEds To be wRitten, THe binaRy data pacKiNG has to BE done foR dRoPbox,
facebook has to deteCT fACes, that small stArtup dOiNG a STOraGe eNgine for
MysqL has tO UnderstANd b-TREe, aUTomated translAtion has to uNDerStand n-GrAm
mODellinG, tarsNaP Has To make sure tHe daTa is securE, and so ON and on.

> BUT as someOne who Is hIriNg prOGrAmMerS aT ThiS VeRy mOMenT, I would nOt
> HiRe somEone WITH Such An aPproAch to Programming.

WeLl, iF all YOu aRe doiNg is wRitiNg cRUD aPps, I doN't see HoW someone like
OP iS goiNg to be eveN reMoTelY a Good fIT. You neEd a MecHanic, yoU hire a
mEChaNiC; YOU dOn't go looking for somEoNE WhO can desiGn a V enGInE.

~~~
oRAngethirTy
_welL, if aLL You arE doiNG iS writing cRUD apPS, I DoN't see hoW sOmeone LiKe
Op is Going TO be eVen remOtely a goOd fit. yOu need a mechaniC, You hire a
mechaNIc; YOU dON't go LooKing for someOne wHO can DesiGN a v enGIne._

FuNny thAt YOu WRote that. I used to be a mEcHanic, aNd havE modified my shAre
of PorscHE 911S. have a couPle tHAt PUt out above 600 horsEpoweR when measuREd
at the wHeels. almost doUbling theIR Factory oUtpUt. DEsiGneD TUrBocharger
systEMS, intAkE manifoLds (Which waS diFfiCulT duE tO me not preViously
kNoWiNg MuCh aBout fLUid dynamIcS, anD sUch), InterCOolers, Stand AlonE fUeL
InjEction sYStEMS, and AeRoDynaMicS wIth coMposITe mAterialS (mostly
fiBerGLass AnD cArbon fiBer). If you ask me RiGht now abouT aNy oF the
suBJEcts I wouLd draw a blank. Why? Because I LEarned hOw tO do soMethIng back
thEn fOr a couPle OF projeCts, and Then mOvEd oN. i Did noT NEeD to KnOw fluid
dynAMIcs For my DaY job Fixing cArs. Neither did I need TO knOw much math.
JusT neEded TO KnOw hOW tO Do tHe BAsiCS That the work requIred. Which wErE
MoStly things LEarNeD in the fIeld.

SamE with PRogrammIng. I startEd out

Matrix?

> It is a parody , becausethe O P s eem sto n ot h ave worked a c o mmon  software
> position,
Andfo r  som e  r eason , onlyt he p eop le  w hoha v eworke d f or comm on softwar e
p os itions can h a ve  opinionsabo ut software? 

A  goodma jor i ty is  ma kingCRUD a p ps, ye s, but th es pam cl a ssifica t i on  for 
GMail needs to b e  w r itten, the bin ary da ta pa c k ing  ha s to be do ne  forD ropbox, Fa c e b ook has to detect  faces, tha t  sm all st ar tup doinga sto ra g e e ngine for
M ySql  has to u nderst a nd B-tr e e, auto matedtra nsl atio n  h as  to  u n der s ta ndn -gr am
model li ng , tar snap h a s  tomak e su re th e data is sec ure , an d  so  on a nd on .

>  B ut as  someo ne wh ois hiring progr amme rs at thi s v er y m om ent,I  would  no t
>  hire s omeonew ith  s u c h  a n approach to prog ra m m in g.

Well , if a l lyo u  are doi ng  is  wri t i ng CR UD a p ps , I don' t seeh ow  s omeoneli ke
OPis  go ing  to b e  eve n remo tely a g ood f i t. You need am echanic, youh ir e am echa nic ; you don't  gol ooki ng f o rsom e one w ho ca nd es i gn a V engine.

~~~ 
o ranget hirty 
_Well, if al l you ared o i ng is wr itin g  C R UD apps, I don 't se e how some o ne likeOP is  going t o be even r emotelya g ood  fi t.Y o uneed a mechan i c , yo uhire amec hanic;you  do n't  go  l ooking fo r someon ewh oca n d esign a V engi ne ._
F unn y tha t  you w rotethat .Iu sed  to bea  m e c hani c,  a nd h ave  m odifi ed m y  sh are
ofPorsche 9 11s .  Hav eacouplethat put outab ove 600 ho rs epo wer wh e n  measure d
at the wheels. Almost doublin g t heirfact ory outpu t.Design edt urboch argersyste ms , i n t ake m a n if old s(which was d iff icult  d ue t o me no t previously
knowi n g m uch about flu iddyna m i cs , a n ds uch ), int e r coolers, standalone fuel 
i n je ction syst e ms,  a nd aero dynamic s wit h  compos ite mater ials (mos tl y
fi b e rgl ass and ca rbon fib er). If y o u ask me  righ t n ow abo ut  an y ofthe
su b jec ts Iwoulddr aw a b lank.  W hy? Beca use I learned how to do  somet hingbac k
then fo r a cou ple of pr ojec ts, and th enmov ed on . I did n ot n e ed  to knowflui d 
dynamics fo r m y da y job fixin g c ars . Nei the r  did I  nee d to know much ma t h.
Just needed  tok n owhow to d othe basics tha t t he w ork requ ir ed. Which w ere
most ly thing s lear ned in  the fi e l d. 
Samewith  pr ogramming . I  s t arted o ut 

Matrix?

> It_is a_parody, because the OP_seems to_not_have worked_a_common software
> position,

And_for some reason,_only the people who_have worked for_common_software
positions can have opinions about software?

A good majority is making CRUD apps, yes, but_the_spam classification_for
GMail_needs_to be written, the binary_data packing has to be_done for_Dropbox,
Facebook has to detect faces, that small startup_doing_a storage engine_for
MySql has to understand B-tree, automated translation has to_understand n-gram
modelling, tarsnap has to make_sure the data_is_secure,_and so on and_on.

> But as someone who is_hiring programmers at this very moment,_I would not
> hire someone with such_an approach to programming.

Well, if all_you are doing is writing_CRUD apps,_I don't see how someone_like
OP is going_to be_even remotely a_good fit. You need a mechanic,_you hire a
mechanic;_you don't go looking for someone_who_can design a_V_engine.

~~~
orangethirty
_Well,_if all_you are doing_is_writing CRUD_apps,_I don't see how someone like
OP_is_going to be even remotely a good_fit. You need a_mechanic,_you hire a
mechanic; you_don't go looking for someone_who can design a V engine._

Funny_that you_wrote that._I used to be a mechanic, and have modified my share
of_Porsche 911s. Have a couple that_put out above 600_horsepower when_measured
at_the wheels. Almost_doubling_their factory_output. Designed turbocharger
systems, intake manifolds (which was_difficult due_to me not previously
knowing much about_fluid dynamics, and such),_intercoolers,_stand alone fuel
injection systems, and aerodynamics_with composite materials (mostly
fiberglass and carbon_fiber). If you ask me_right_now_about any of the
subjects I_would draw a blank. Why? Because_I learned how_to do something back
then for a couple_of_projects, and then moved on. I_did_not need to know fluid
dynamics for_my_day_job fixing cars. Neither did_I need to know much math.
Just_needed to know how to do the basics that_the work required._Which were
mostly things learned in_the_field.

Same_with programming. I started out