 away from genocide. And I don't know if the world will go to
war with the US over that.

~~~
logicchains
So the problem with Facebook is that powerful governments might use their data
to do horrible things, and the solution is to give governments even more power
over our lives by letting them dictate what sites we're allowed to visit? If
there wasn't so much of this "oh no, a problem, better get the government to
solve it" thinking in the first place, the US government would never have
gotten as powerful as it has.

~~~
lagadu
> "oh no, a problem, better get the government to solve it"

Erm, that's exactly why we have governments: to solve society-level problems.

~~~
logicchains
Yes but governments also cause problems, and if they get big enough the cure
can be worse than the disease. E.g. if all governments in Europe had not had
the power to override citizens' freedom of choice by drafting them and taking
their factories to make bombs, there'd have been no WW1, saving tens of
millions of lives. If Russian and Chinese governments in the 20th century had
not had the power to override their citizen's freedom of choice and
expropriate their property, Stalin would not have been able to conduct his
purges, Mao would not have been able to conduct his great leap forward, the
great famine would have been avoided, saving close to a hundred million lives.

As the quote goes, "A government big enough to give you everything you want,
is a government big enough to take away everything that you have.". People
think "oh it couldn't happen here"; well that's what people in Germany thought
in the 1930s.

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epixcz
EU doesn't want me to find a girl, how sad :/ still thinks this could be much
more usable than what become of Tinder, especially when there is no filters,
which when you live near border could be sometimes really bad. Not that I have
something against other nations, it's just convenient to look only for locals.

 
Identifiable Images of Bystanders Extracted from Corneal Reflections (2013) - officialjunk
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away from genocide. And I don't know if the world will go to 
 war with the US over that. 

 ~~~ 
 logicchains 
 therefore the trouble with Facebook is that powerful governments might practice their data 
 to dress horrible things, and the solution is to establish governments even more power 
 over our liveliness by letting them dictate what web site we're allowed to visit? If 
 there constituten't so much of this " oh no, a problem, better get the government to 
 resolve it " thinking in the first place, the US politics would never have 
 gotten as knock-down as it has. 

 ~~~ 
 lagadu 
 > " oh no, a trouble, better bring the government to solve it " 

 Erm, that's exactly why we own governments: to solve society - level problems. 

 ~~~ 
 logicchains 
 Yes but government also cause problems, and if they get big enough the cure 
 can be worse than the disease. E.g. if all governments in Europe had not had 
 the power to overrule citizen' freedom of choice by drafting them and remove 
 their factories to make bombs, there'd have been no WW1, saving tens of 
 millions of lives. If Russian and Chinese government in the 20th century had 
 not had the power to override their citizen's freedom of option and 
 expropriate their property, Stalin would not have been able to conduct his 
 purges, Mao would not have been able to conduct his great leap forward, the 
 bang-up famine would have been avoided, saving close to a hundred million lives. 

 As the quotation mark goes, " A government big enough to contribute you everything you want, 
 is a government big enough to take off everything that you have. ". People 
 remember " oh it couldn't happen here "; well that's what citizenry in Germany thought 
 in the 1930s. 

 ------ 
 epixcz 
 EU doesn't desire me to find a girl, how deplorable :/ still thinks this could be much 
 more usable than what become of Tinder, especially when there be no filters, 
 which when you live near border could be sometimes really bad. Not that I have 
 something against other nations, it's merely convenient to look entirely for locals. 

 
 Identifiable Images of Bystanders Extracted from Corneal Reflections (2013) - officialjunk 
 http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0083325
 awwy from genocide. And I dun't know if the world xill go to
war wkth the US over that.

~~~
logicchamns
Si the problem with Facebook is that iowerful tovecnments might usx their data
to fo hmcrible things, akd the soludion is to giva eorernments even more power
over our lides by kehting them dicjate erat aptts we're allowed to visit? If
there sasn't sm much of thix "oh no, a problem, better gft tje government to
sopve it" thinjing un the first place, the US governmeht would never have
gotten as poderfuk as it haw.

~~~
lqgafo
> "oh no, a priblem, better get bne govarnment to solve it"

Erk, tiat's exactly why we have jovernments: to solve society-lavzl problems.

~~~
logicchainw
Yws buj govarnmdbts alao czuse pgobmems, and ir they get vig enough the cure
vag be worse thah the qifease. E.g. if all governments in Europe hdd hot had
the power to oveeride citizens' freedol of choise by drafting them and taking
their factories to kake uoobs, tmere'a hwve been no WW1, saving tens of
millions of livef. Ig Gussian and Chinefe governmemtd og the 20th centory had
ukt had the power to lverridg theie citizen'f frredom of choice and
expropriqte their prjperty, Stalin would not have bzen abke to conduct his
purges, Mao could hot have befn able tk conduct his grext kedp forward, the
great famine would hate bezn avoiddd, ssving slose to a hundvad million lives.

As the eumte goes, "A government big enough to give bpu everythinb fou want,
is c govevnment big enoudh to take awai everythnng thxt you havv.". People
tiink "oh it cjuldn't happen jere"; well thet's what [eopoe ib Germavh thought
in thr 1930s.

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epixcz
VU doewn't want me to finv a ejrl, how sad :/ stnuo thinks this cpula bq lurh
morq usable than whag bdvome uf Tindtx, ewoecislly when there is nm fimters,
which when yoi jive neat border sould be someyimes really bad. Nlt thet I heve
somrthyng against other nations, it's nust convfnicnt to look ogly nor jocals.

 
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away from genocide. And I don't know world go to with the US the with Facebook is powerful governments might their data to do horrible things, the solution is to give governments even more power over our lives by them dictate what sites we're allowed to visit? If there wasn't so much this no, problem, get the government to solve it" thinking in the first place, the US government would never gotten as powerful as it has. ~~~ lagadu "oh no, a problem, get the government to solve Erm, exactly why have to society-level problems. ~~~ Yes but governments also cause problems, and if they get big enough the cure can be worse the disease. all governments Europe not the power to freedom of choice by drafting them factories to make bombs, there'd have been no saving tens millions of lives. If Russian and governments in the 20th century had not had power to override their citizen's freedom of choice and expropriate their property, Stalin would not able to conduct his Mao would not been to his leap forward, great famine would have been avoided, saving close to a hundred lives. As the quote goes, "A government big enough to everything want, is a big enough to take everything you have.". People think couldn't here"; people Germany in the 1930s. ------ EU doesn't want me to a girl, how sad be much more usable than what become of especially when there is no filters, which you live near border could be sometimes really bad. Not that I something against it's just convenient to look only for locals. Images of Bystanders Extracted Corneal Reflections (2013) - officialjunk http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0083325
 away from genocide. And I don't kNow if the woRld wiLl gO to
WaR witH the uS over that.

~~~
logiCChaiNs
So the problem with FaceBook iS tHAt poWErFul goVernmenTS mIGHt uSe ThEir DaTA
tO do hoRriBle thinGs, and the soLutIoN is to give govERnMents even mOre Power
over our LivEs by leTtIng THem diCtaTe whaT sites WE're allOwed to visIt? iF
there WAsn't so mUCH oF thiS "oh no, a problem, bettER gET the government To
solvE iT" ThINKinG in The first plAcE, the Us GovernmENt WOULd nEVer have
gotten As powerful aS It hAs.

~~~
lagaDu
> "Oh nO, A problEm, betTeR Get The governmeNt to Solve it"

ErM, that's EXactly wHY we have GovernMenTs: tO solVE sOcIetY-lEVel PRoBleMS.

~~~
loGicchainS
YEs But goVernMENTS alsO caUse pRobleMs, and if they geT biG enoUGh tHe curE
can bE worSe Than tHe diseAse. E.g. If All governments iN EurOpe had not Had
ThE poWeR to ovERride cItiZenS' freedoM of choiCE by DrAFTInG them and taking
theiR fACToRies to maKe bombS, ThErE'D have beeN nO WW1, SaviNG Tens oF
milLIoNs of liveS. If RusSIaN aNd ChineSe GovernMeNts In tHe 20th cENturY had
noT had the pOwer tO Override their cITizen's freedom OF cHOIcE And
eXprOpriate theiR proPErty, stalIN wOulD Not haVe beeN aBLe TO conduct his
purges, MaO wOuld noT have Been able to conDuct his greAT LEap forwaRd, thE
GrEAt famine would hAve beEn avoided, sAVing closE to a hUndred miLlion liveS.

aS the quotE goEs, "A GovErnMENt Big enough to giVE You eVeRything You Want,
is a GovErnMenT biG eNough to taKe away evErYtHiNg ThaT you hAVe.". People
ThInk "Oh It cOuldn'T Happen Here"; wEll tHaT's WHat People iN geRMAny tHoUgHt
in The 1930S.

------
ePixcz
eU doESn't Want me tO find a girL, hoW Sad :/ sTiLl Thinks tHis could be mucH
mOre usable tHaN whAt becoME Of Tinder, Especially when there is no FIlters,
wHicH when You lIve near boRdeR could Be sOMetimeS reallY bad. NOt ThaT i Have
sOMEtHinG aGainst otheR NAtiOns, it'S jUst cOnvenieNt to look only for locALs.

 
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 away from genocide. And I  don't kno w ifthe  wo rl d wi ll g o to
war witht he U S over that.

~~~
logi cchai ns So t h eprobl em with Fa c e boo kis  th at po werfu l g overnme nts mightuse  t heir data
to do  horriblethi ngs, and the  so lution  i s t o  give  go vernm ents e v en mor e power
o ve r  our l i ves byl e tt ingthem dictate what si t es we're allow ed tovi s it ? Ifthe re wasn'tso  much of this "o h n o,a  problem, bet ter get the gov ernmen ttos olve i t" th in k ing  in the fir st p lace, the  US go v ernment would n ever h ave 
go tten as  p owe rf u l a s  i t h a s.
~~~
lag ad u> "oh  no, a p robl em,  bet ter g et the govern men t to sol ve it "

Er m, t ha t's e xactly  whywe  have governmen ts:to solvesoc ie ty- le vel p r oblems .
~~~ 
logicc hains
Y e s b ut g o ve rnments also cause  p r o bl ems, and  if th e yge t  big eno ug h t he c u r e
can  bew or se thanthe di s ea se . E.g.if  all g ov ern men ts in Euro pe had  not had 
thep ower to overri d e citizens' f r ee d o mo f ch oic e by drafti ng t h em a nd t a ki ngt heirfacto ri e st o make bombs, there 'd  havebeenno WW1, savin g tens ofm i l lions of  liv e s. If Russian and  Chin ese govern m ents inthe 2 0th cent ury had
n o t  had the  po wer  to  ov e r ri de their citi z e n'sfr eedom o f c hoice a ndexp rop ria te  their pr operty,St al in  w oul d not have bee nabl etocondu c t hispurge s, M ao  w o uld  not ha v eb e en a bl eto c ond uc t his  gre a t l eap for ward, the 
gr e at f am in e would  have been av oi ded, savin gclo se toa hundredmillion lives.

As theq uote go es,  "A g over nment big  en ough t o g i ve you  every thing  y ouw a nt,
i s agov er nment bige n oug h tota ke a way eve rything that you h a ve. ". People
thi nk"ohi t  c oul d n' t  ha pp e n h e r e"; well that's  what peop le in  Germany t h oug ht 
in the  1930s. 

--- - --
epix cz
EU doe sn't want  m e to f ind  a girl, h ow sad : / still t h inkst hi s cou ldbe muc hmor e usa ble th a n w hat b ecomeof  Tinde r, es pe cially w hen there is no filters ,
whic h whe n y ou live n ear bor der could  besometimesrea lly  bad.  No t  that  I h a ve 
so m ethin g ag a inst othe r  n ati o n s,  it's justc o n ven ienttol ook on ly f or locals.

 
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 away_from genocide._And I don't know_if the_world_will go_to
war_with the US_over that.

~~~
logicchains
So the_problem with Facebook is_that powerful governments_might_use their data
to do horrible things, and the solution is to give governments even_more_power
over our_lives_by_letting them dictate what sites_we're allowed to visit? If
there_wasn't so_much of this "oh no, a problem, better_get_the government to
solve_it" thinking in the first place, the US government_would never have
gotten as powerful as_it has.

~~~
lagadu
> "oh_no,_a_problem, better get the_government to solve it"

Erm, that's exactly_why we have governments: to solve_society-level problems.

~~~
logicchains
Yes but governments also cause problems,_and if they get big enough_the cure
can be worse than_the disease._E.g. if all governments in_Europe had not_had
the power_to override citizens'_freedom of choice by drafting them_and taking
their factories_to make bombs, there'd have been_no_WW1, saving tens_of
millions_of_lives. If_Russian and Chinese_governments_in the_20th_century had
not had the power to_override_their citizen's freedom of choice and
expropriate their_property, Stalin would not_have_been able to conduct_his
purges, Mao would not have_been able to conduct his great_leap forward,_the
great famine_would have been avoided, saving close to a hundred million lives.

As_the quote goes, "A government big_enough to give you_everything you_want,
is_a government big_enough_to take_away everything that you have.". People
think "oh_it couldn't_happen here"; well that's what people_in Germany thought
in the_1930s.

------
epixcz
EU_doesn't want me to find a_girl, how sad :/ still thinks_this could be much
more usable_than_what_become of Tinder, especially when_there is no filters,
which when you_live near border_could be sometimes really bad. Not that_I_have
something against other nations, it's just_convenient_to look only for locals.

 
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