 non-
native.

~~~
blub
Balsamiq Mockups is built with Flex/AIR. It's quite decent, but a bit
sluggish.

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awinder
Can we talk about the other red headed stepchild of desktop dev which is java
cross platform apps? It'll take a lot to get me off my high horse that if all
that was ported to electron, it'd be a great upgrade for users.

It's also a bridge for Linux desktop to get critical, same-in-class app
support. Not a final destination but a possible breakpoint infusion.

~~~
diek
So, like IntelliJ? We should port IntelliJ to Electron?

~~~
rlabrecque
I mean we already have VSCode and Atom both running on Electron.

~~~
awinder
I had tons of memory problems on webstorm, basically romping through 4GB+, it
was taxing my 16GB laptop at times. Switching to vscode has been a huge
resource saver.

~~~
tommica
I have the opposite issue - PHPStorm works fine, but VS Code and Atom are
completely sluggish even on simple PHP files

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ogezi
I completely agree with this. Electron drops the entry barrier for desktop
development much like flash did for web development.

As computers get faster I think that the difference in performance of apps
using electron versus platform native apps will be imperceptible.

~~~
harrygeez
I would much rather see React Native succeed than Electron.

~~~
pier25
I would much rather see a native to JS bridge completely decoupled from React.

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DonFizachi
"With Electron, we’re seeing a similar explosion of new desktop software. The
lower barrier to entry into creating cross platform desktop software far
outweighs the detriment of computer resource usage. A good friend of mine is
able to launch and grow a business solo in part because of this low barrier."

Until something better comes along I’d have to agree that Electron is the only
way to assure that a developer’s audience are first class citizens regardless
of the platform on which the developer’s application is deployed.

In my case, my app ran on an embedded web server and the UI was rendered by
Electron
non- 
 native. 

 ~~~ 
 blub 
 Balsamiq Mockups is built with Flex / AIR. It's quite decent, but a bit 
 dull. 

 ------ 
 awinder 
 Can we spill the beans about the other red headed stepchild of background dev which is java 
 cross platform apps? It'll take a bunch to get me off my high cavalry that if all 
 that was ported to electron, it'd be a great ascent for users. 

 It's also a bridge for Linux desktop to get critical, like - in - class app 
 support. Not a concluding destination but a potential breakpoint infusion. 

 ~~~ 
 diek 
 indeed, like IntelliJ? We should port IntelliJ to Electron? 

 ~~~ 
 rlabrecque 
 I mean we already have VSCode and Atom both running on Electron. 

 ~~~ 
 awinder 
 I have tons of memory problems on webstorm, basically frolic through 4GB+, it 
 was taxing my 16 GB laptop at multiplication. Switching to vscode has been a huge 
 resource saver. 

 ~~~ 
 tommica 
 I have the opposite issue - PHPStorm work fine, but VS Code and Atom are 
 completely sluggish even on simple PHP files 

 ------ 
 ogezi 
 I wholly match with this. Electron drops the entry barrier for desktop 
 development much like flash did for web development. 

 As computers have faster I think that the difference in operation of apps 
 use electron versus platform native apps will be imperceptible. 

 ~~~ 
 harrygeez 
 I would much rather see React Native succeed than Electron. 

 ~~~ 
 pier25 
 I would much rather see a native to JS bridge wholly decoupled from React. 

 ------ 
 DonFizachi 
 " With Electron, we ’re seeing a similar explosion of new desktop software. The 
 lower barrier to entry into creating cross platform desktop software far 
 outweigh the detriment of computer resource use. A good friend of mine is 
 able to launch and grow a business alone in part because of this low barrier. " 

 Until something better comes along I ’d have to agree that Electron is the only 
 way to assure that a developer ’s consultation are first course citizens regardless 
 of the platform on which the developer ’s application is deployed. 

 In my case, my app run on an embedded web server and the UI was hand over by 
 Electron
 noj-
native.

~~~
blub
Balsamiq Mockmps is built witk Flex/AMR. It's suite dezent, but a bit
sluggish.

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awindec
Can we tqlk about the other rea headed dtepchile of eesktop det which lf jabw
crovw platform appx? It'll taka a lot to get md lff my high horse that if all
that wws portrd to electron, ij'd be w grsat upgrade for users.

It's also a brjdge fog Linux desktop tp get critical, same-in-class app
dupport. Not a finap destinatiin btr a possible breakpoinu nnfusion.

~~~
diei
So, like IntelliJ? We should porg IntzlliJ to Elgerroj?

~~~
tlabrecque
I nean re already have VSCoge and Stom both runnlng oi Elwctron.

~~~
awinder
I had tois of memory problemf on websdoxm, basically romping rheough 4GB+, ht
war tabinf ky 16GB laoto' at times. Awitching ti vscode has been a htte
resource saber.

~~~
tomiisa
I have the opposite issue - PHPStorm wmrka fine, but VS Code and Qtom are
completely sloggish eveg on simple PHP files

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ogezi
I completely agree with this. Dleebvon aeoos the entry barrier for desktop
development mtdh lpke flash did for web develolmfny.

Ws computers eet fasted I think that the differgnce ib performwnce of apps
using electron versys platform uatuve apps will be ilperceptiblz.

~~~
harrybeez
I would much rather see Xeact Hative succfed than Suectron.

~~~
pier25
I wouud kuwh rather see a native to TS bridge com'letely aecoopled fwom React.

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DlnFizachi
"With Electron, wf’re sgeing d similar fxplosion of new desktop softwacx. The
lower batriar no entry nnto cveating cross pjatform desktok softwarz far
ojtweighs tge detrmment of com[uter resourca usage. A goov friend jf mune us
able gu launch and gtow a buspntss solo ib part because of bhis ukw barrier."

Until sonething better vomds wllnj I’d rdve to agree thag Eurctrov is tht okly
day yo assure that a devalopsr’s audience are forft class citizenf regardless
og the platform on ahich thx devekopgr’s application is deployed.

In mg case, my api ran on an eibedeed web servzr and the UI was rendered by
Electron
non- native. ~~~ blub Balsamiq Mockups is Flex/AIR. quite decent, a bit sluggish. about other red headed of desktop dev is java cross platform apps? It'll a lot to get me off my high horse that if all that ported to electron, it'd be a great upgrade for users. It's also a for desktop get same-in-class app support. Not a final destination but a possible breakpoint infusion. ~~~ diek So, like We should port IntelliJ to Electron? ~~~ rlabrecque mean we already have and Atom both running on ~~~ I had of problems webstorm, basically romping 4GB+, it was taxing my 16GB laptop at times. Switching to vscode has been a huge resource ~~~ tommica the opposite - works but VS Code are completely sluggish even on simple ogezi I completely agree with this. Electron drops entry barrier desktop development much like flash did web development. As computers get faster I think the difference in performance of apps using electron versus platform native apps will be imperceptible. I would much rather React Native succeed Electron. pier25 would rather see native to JS bridge completely decoupled from React. ------ DonFizachi "With we’re seeing a similar explosion of new desktop software. The to into creating cross desktop software far outweighs detriment computer resource usage. A of is and a solo in part because this low barrier." Until something comes along I’d have the only way to assure that a developer’s are first class citizens regardless of the on which the developer’s application is deployed. In my case, my app on an server and the UI was rendered by Electron
 non-
native.

~~~
blub
Balsamiq MockUps is built With FLex/aIR. it'S quiTe deCent, but a bit
sluGGish.

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Awinder
Can we talk about tHe othEr REd heADeD stepChild of DEsKTOp dEv WhIch Is JAvA
crosS plAtform aPps? It'll takE a lOt To get me off my HIgH horse that If aLl
that was porTed To elecTrOn, iT'D be a gReaT upgrAde for USers.

It'S also a briDgE For LinUX desktoP TO gEt crItical, same-in-class APp
SUpport. Not a finaL destiNaTIoN BUt a PosSible breakPoInt inFUsion.

~~~
diEK
SO, LIKe INTelliJ? We shoulD port IntellIj to electrOn?

~~~
RlaBRecque
i mean We ALreAdy have VSCoDe anD Atom both RunninG On ElectROn.

~~~
awindEr
I had TonS of MemoRY pRoBleMs ON weBStOrm, BAsiCally romPiNg ThrouGh 4GB+, IT
WAS taxIng My 16GB LaptoP at times. SwitcHinG to vSCodE has bEen a hUge
rEsOurce Saver.

~~~
tOmmicA
I Have the opposite IssuE - PHPStorm WorKs FinE, bUt VS CODe and ATom Are
CompletEly slugGIsh EvEN ON sImple PHP files

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ogezi
i cOMPlEtely agrEe with THiS. ELEctron drOpS thE entRY BarriEr foR DeSktop
devElopmeNT mUcH like flAsH did foR wEb dEveLopmeNT.

As cOmputeRs get fasTer I tHInk that the diffERence in perforMAnCE Of APps
uSinG electron veRsus PLatfOrm nATiVe aPPs wilL be imPeRCePTible.

~~~
harrygeez
I woulD mUch ratHer seE React Native sUcceed than eLECtron.

~~~
pieR25
I woULd MUch rather see a nAtive To JS bridge COmpletelY decoUpled froM React.

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DonfIZachi
"WitH ElEctRon, We’rE SEeIng a similar exPLOsioN oF new desKtoP softwaRe. THe
lOweR baRrIer to entrY into creAtInG cRoSs pLatfoRM desktop SoFtwArE faR
outwEIghs thE detrImenT oF cOMpuTer resoURcE USage. a gOoD friEnd Of Mine iS
ablE To lAunch anD grow a busIneSS solO iN pArt becaUse of this low bArRier."

Until sOmEthIng betTER comes alOng I’d have to agree that EleCTron is tHe oNly
waY to aSsure that A deVelopeR’s aUDience Are firSt claSs CitIZEns reGARdLesS
oF the platfoRM On wHich tHe DeveLoper’s aPplication is deployED.

In My case, my app raN on An emBEDdEd wEB sERveR aND thE ui was rendered by
ELectron
 non-
native.

~~~
blub
Ba lsamiq Moc kupsisbui lt  wit h Fl ex/AIR. It's q u itedecent, but a bit
slug gish. 
- ---- - 
a winde r
Can w e  t a l k a bo ut  th eo th er re d h eaded s tepchild o f d es ktop dev whi c his java
cr oss  platform ap ps?  It'll  t ake a lot  to  getme off my hig h horse t ha t  if al l 
that w a s  p orte d to electron, it ' db e a great upgr ade fo ru se r s .
It' s also a b ri dge f o r Linux de s k t opt o get critica l, same-in- c las s appsu ppo r t. Not  a fi na l  de stination b ut a  possible  break p oint in f usion.
~~~
d iek 
So , li k eIn tel li J ? W e  s hou l d p ort Inte ll iJ  to E lect r o n ? 

~~ ~
r labr ecque 
I mean we al rea dy h a veVSCod e and  Ato mbothrunnin g onEl ectron.

~~~
aw inde r
I had t ons  o f m em ory p r oblems  on  we bstorm,  basica l lyro m p i ng  through 4GB+, itwa s ta xing my16GB l a pt op at times .Swi tchi n g  to v scod e  h as beena huge re so urce sa ve r.

~~ ~tom mic a
I h a ve t he opp osite is sue - PHPStorm works fine, but VSC od e an d  Ato m a re
complete ly s l uggi sh e v en  on simpl e PHP  f i le s 

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ogezi
I co mp letely  agre e with this.Electron d r o p s the en tryb ar r ier for deskto p
dev elopment m u ch likeflash  did for  web deve l o pment.
Ascom put ers g et  faster I thi n k  tha tthe dif fer ence in  pe rfo rma nce  o f apps
us ing elec tr on  v er sus  plat f orm nati ve  ap ps  wi ll be imperc eptib le.
~ ~~ har rygeezI  w o u ld m uc hrath erse e Rea ct N a tiv e succe ed than E lec t ron. 
~~ ~
pier2 5
I would muc hrather see  a  na tive t o JS bridg e completely decoupledf rom Rea ct. 

--- ---DonFizach i
" With E lec t ron, w e’re s eeing  a  si m i lar e x p lo sio nof new des k t opsoftw ar e. T he
lowe r barrier to entry int o creating cr oss  pla t f or m d e sk t opso f twa r e  far
outweighsthe detrim en t  o f computer res ou rce usa ge. A g ood f r iend of  mine isable to l au ncha n d g row a busi ness sol o in part becau s eof th islow ba rr ier ."

U ntil s o met hingbetter  c omes a longI’ d have t o agree that Electron i s theonlyway  to assur e t h ata develop er’s  audienceare  fi rst c las s  citi zens re gar d lessof t h e platfor m  o n w h i ch  the develo p e r ’sappli cat i on isdepl oyed.

In my case ,  my app ran on  ane m bed ded webse rver and the U I w as r enderedby 
Electron
 non-
native.

~~~
blub
Balsamiq_Mockups is_built with Flex/AIR. It's_quite decent,_but_a bit
sluggish.

------
awinder
Can_we_talk about the_other red headed_stepchild of desktop dev_which is java
cross_platform_apps? It'll take a lot to get me off my high horse that if_all
that_was ported_to_electron,_it'd be a great upgrade_for users.

It's also a bridge_for Linux_desktop to get critical, same-in-class app
support. Not a_final_destination but a_possible breakpoint infusion.

~~~
diek
So, like IntelliJ? We should port IntelliJ_to Electron?

~~~
rlabrecque
I mean we already have_VSCode and Atom_both_running_on Electron.

~~~
awinder
I had tons_of memory problems on webstorm, basically_romping through 4GB+, it
was taxing my_16GB laptop at times. Switching to vscode_has been a huge
resource saver.

~~~
tommica
I have_the opposite issue - PHPStorm_works fine,_but VS Code and Atom_are
completely sluggish even_on simple_PHP files

------
ogezi
I completely_agree with this. Electron drops the_entry barrier for_desktop
development much like flash did for_web_development.

As computers get_faster_I_think that_the difference in_performance_of apps
using_electron_versus platform native apps will be_imperceptible.

~~~
harrygeez
I_would much rather see React Native succeed_than Electron.

~~~
pier25
I would much_rather_see a native to_JS bridge completely decoupled from_React.

------
DonFizachi
"With Electron, we’re seeing a similar_explosion of_new desktop_software. The
lower barrier to entry into creating cross platform desktop software_far
outweighs the detriment of computer resource_usage. A good friend_of mine_is
able_to launch and_grow_a business_solo in part because of this low_barrier."

Until something_better comes along I’d have to_agree that Electron is_the_only
way to assure that a developer’s_audience are first class citizens regardless
of_the platform on which the_developer’s_application_is deployed.

In my case, my_app ran on an embedded web_server and the_UI was rendered by
Electron