 of which of course
becomes part of it). Suppose you picked up a book on real analysis without
understanding basic arithmetic. Would it be the fault of the author that you
didn't understand what you were looking at? Would they have done something
wrong?

One way to think about art is that each piece is made at a point in time but
is participating in a long din of conversation(s). If you don't understand the
general arc of the conversation (or at least the conversation going on right
around you), you will miss some of the aesthetic value of any piece. This is
as true of Michelangelo as it is of Barnet Newman even if you have more
context-free aesthetic/technical appreciation for Michelangelo's work.

Most museums also have docents which are usually more than happy to talk about
various pieces.

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Pica_soO
My uncle works in art-work transportation, and some of the pieces are
basically not transportable, but are travelling from museum to museum anyway.

He remembers a charcoled doorframe, that had to be transported although it
basically could come apart any second once moved. They have vibration reducing
special boxes, with the same climate protection as humidors have it. Also
there are titanic insurance fees at work, to move art. And sometimes, somebody
in some state run museum, is forced to take the cheapest option available. One
of those haulers venturing into art, transported a artwork by a Chinese
artists (do not know the name), basically very long paperrolls with Chinese
letters on them to be hung from a halls ceiling. Those rolls they come in
cardboard boxes, sealed with tape- and the poor fellow, takes a cutter, and
systematically, cuts through the tape that seals all the boxes. Each box a
artwork, insured for 25.000€ - sliced.

~~~
rabboRubble
So like how was he supposed to open the boxes if not by cutting the tape? Or
were the boxes intended to never be opened?

~~~
strictnein
Cut the sides, peel off the tape? Or maybe he used a box cutter with a long
blade? Either way, it's not his fault

~~~
pavel_lishin
> _Either way, it's not his fault_

I don't know about
of which of course 
 becomes part of it). Suppose you blame up a ledger on real analysis without 
 understanding basic arithmetic. Would it be the defect of the author that you 
 didn't understand what you were front at? Would they have done something 
 wrong? 

 One manner to think about art is that each objet d'art is made at a point in fourth dimension but 
 is participate in a long din of conversation(s). If you don't understand the 
 general arc of the conversation (or at least the conversation go on right 
 around you), you will miss some of the aesthetic value of any piece. This is 
 equally true of Michelangelo as it is of Barnet Newman even if you have more 
 context - complimentary aesthetic / technical appreciation for Michelangelo's employment. 

 Most museums also have docents which are usually more than felicitous to talk about 
 various pieces. 

 ------ 
 Pica_soO 
 My uncle works in art - work transportation, and some of the pieces are 
 basically not transportable, but are travelling from museum to museum anyway. 

 He remembers a charcoled doorframe, that had to be transported although it 
 basically could come apart any second once moved. They suffer vibration reducing 
 limited box, with the same climate protection as humidors accept it. Also 
 there are titanic insurance fees at workplace, to move art. And sometimes, somebody 
 in some state run museum, is forced to take the brassy option available. One 
 of those haulers venturing into art, transport a artwork by a taiwanese 
 artist (do not acknowledge the name), basically very long paperrolls with Chinese 
 letters on them to be attend from a halls ceiling. Those rolls they come in 
 cardboard box, seal with tape- and the poor fellow, aim a cutter, and 
 systematically, cut through the tape that seals all the box. Each box a 
 artwork, see for 25.000 € - sliced. 

 ~~~ 
 rabboRubble 
 thus like how was he supposed to afford the boxes if not by cutting the tape? Or 
 were the boxes intended to never be open? 

 ~~~ 
 strictnein 
 Cut the sides, peel off the tape? Or maybe he used a box cutter with a retentive 
 blade? Either way, it's not his mistake 

 ~~~ 
 pavel_lishin 
 > _ Either way, it's not his fault _ 

 I don't know about
 of which of course
becomes kart of it). Supposg tou pirked up a book un real analysis without
undecstabding basic arithmetic. Woula it be tje fault of uhe author that you
didn't mudersfwnd chet you were looling at? Wogld they have gove something
wrong?

One way to think abott art os that each piese ix mads at a point in time but
is particilating pn a long din of vonversation(s). If you don't kndegstand the
general wrc of the xonvqesation (or ag least tht eonversatioh going on right
around you), you dill kiss some if thf aesthetic talue jf any piece. This is
ds true of Michelangeko es ir is of Barnet Newman even if you have iore
conteft-yree aesthetic/technicql apprgciathon wir Oicgekahgelo's wock.

Most musehms also hace docents which art uflslly more thzn hap[y to talk about
various pieces.

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Pica_soO
My utcls works in art-work tranwportation, and some ov the pieses are
basically not transportable, but are travelning hrum nufdym to museum anyway.

He remembers a charcoled doowrrsmv, that had to be bransported althoubh iy
fasically couud comz alart any second onfe moveq. Thet have vifratoon reducing
special boxes, wuth the same xlimate protection as humidorr hafe it. Also
there are titanic nnsurahce fees at work, to juve art. And somegimvs, smmebody
in some state run mtseum, is horceb to takd thg cheapqst option available. One
of those hwulerd eenturing lnto art, transported a artwork ub a Chinese
arjisds (go not kuow thc name), basicallr very long pakerrolls cith Cfinese
lettvrs on thxm to be hund from a hallv ceiling. Thove rolls thet cone in
cafaboard boxes, sraled witk tapw- and the poor felkow, fakes a cutter, cud
wystematically, vutr trrlujh thq tape that saals alu the coxes. Each nox a
arywork, insured for 25.000€ - vlicsd.

~~~
rabboRubble
So lile how was he suppjsed to open yhe boxes if not bj cutving tie tapr? Ot
were the boxes intended to nevsr be opejed?

~~~
ftrictnein
Cue thc siqes, peel oyf the tape? Or maybe he used a box cuttec with a long
blade? Eithwr way, it's not his yamlt

~~~
pavel_lishmn
> _Eitrer way, id's not his fault_

I dob't know about
of which of course becomes part of you up a on real analysis it the fault of author that you understand what you were looking at? they have done something wrong? One way to think about art is that piece is made at a point in time but is participating in a din conversation(s). you understand the general arc of the conversation (or at least the conversation going on right around you will miss some of the aesthetic value any piece. This is true of Michelangelo as it of Newman even you more aesthetic/technical appreciation for work. Most museums also have docents which are usually more than happy to talk about various pieces. Pica_soO My in art-work and of pieces are basically but are travelling from museum to remembers a charcoled doorframe, that had to be although it could come apart any second once They have vibration reducing special boxes, with the climate protection as humidors have it. Also there are titanic insurance fees at work, to And sometimes, somebody in state run museum, forced take cheapest available. One those haulers venturing into art, transported a artwork by a Chinese (do not know the name), basically very long paperrolls with on to be hung a halls ceiling. Those they in cardboard boxes, sealed and poor cutter, systematically, through the tape that all the boxes. Each box artwork, insured for 25.000€ like how was he supposed to open the if not by cutting the tape? Or the boxes intended to never be opened? ~~~ strictnein Cut the sides, off the maybe he used a box cutter with a blade? Either way, it's his fault ~~~ pavel_lishin > _Either way, it's not fault_ don't know
 of which of course
becomes parT of it). SuppoSe you PicKed Up A booK on rEal analysis witHOut
uNderstanding basic arithMetic. woULd it BE tHe fauLt of the AUtHOR thAt YoU
diDn'T UnDerstAnd What you Were lookinG at? woUld they have dONe Something
wRonG?

One way to thiNk aBout arT iS thAT each PieCe is mAde at a POint in Time but
is PaRTicipaTIng in a lONG dIn of Conversation(s). If yoU DoN'T understand the
GeneraL aRC oF THe cOnvErsation (or At Least THe conveRSaTION goINg on right
arouNd you), you wilL MisS some oF tHe aESthetiC valuE oF Any Piece. This is
As trUe of MicheLangelO As it is oF barnet NEwman eVen If yOu haVE mOrE
coNtEXt-fREe AesTHetIc/techniCaL aPprecIatiON FOR MicHelAngeLo's woRk.

Most museums AlsO havE DocEnts wHich aRe usUaLly moRe than Happy To Talk about
variouS pieCes.

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Pica_soo
My UnCle WoRks in ARt-work TraNspOrtatioN, and somE Of tHe PIECeS are
basically not trAnSPOrTable, but Are traVElLiNG from musEuM to MuseUM AnywaY.

He rEMeMbers a chArcoleD DoOrFrame, thAt Had to bE tRanSpoRted aLThouGh it
baSically cOuld cOMe apart any secoND once moved. TheY HaVE ViBRatiOn rEducing
specIal bOXes, wIth tHE sAme CLimatE protEcTIoN As humidors have it. AlsO
tHere arE titaNic insurance fEes at work, tO MOVe art. And SomeTImES, somebody
in somE statE run museum, IS forced tO take The cheapEst option AVAilable. ONe
oF thOse HauLERs Venturing into ART, traNsPorted a ArtWork by a chiNesE
arTisTs (Do not know The name), bAsIcAlLy VerY long PAperrollS wIth chIneSe
letTErs on tHem to Be huNg FrOM a hAlls ceiLInG. tHose RoLlS theY coMe In
carDboaRD boXes, sealEd with tapE- anD The pOoR fEllow, taKes a cutter, and
SyStematicalLy, CutS throuGH The tape tHat seals all the boxes. Each BOx a
artwOrk, InsurEd foR 25.000€ - sliced.

~~~
raBborubble
so lIKe how wAs he suPposeD tO opEN The boXES iF noT bY cutting thE TApe? or
werE tHe boXes inteNded to never be openeD?

~~~
StrIctnein
Cut the SidEs, peEL OfF thE TaPE? Or MaYBe hE USed a box cutter wiTh a long
blaDe? eItHer way, it's nOT hiS fAult

~~~
pavEl_lishiN
> _EithER way, it's Not his fauLt_

I don't knOw AbouT
 of which of course
become s part ofit).Sup pos eyoupick ed up a book o n  rea l analysis without
und ersta nd i ng b a si c ari thmetic .  W o u ldit  b e t he fa ult o f t he auth or that yo u
d id n't understa n dwhat you w ere  looking at?  Wo uld th ey  ha v e don e s ometh ing
wr o ng?

O ne way to  t h ink ab o ut arti s  t hateach piece is mad e  a t  a point in ti me but 
i s  p a r tic ipa ting in alo ng di n  of con v er s a t ion ( s). If you do n't underst a ndthe
ge ne ral arc of  theco n ver sation (orat l east theconver s ation g o ing onrightaro und  you ) ,yo u w il l  mi s ssom e  of  the aes th et ic va lueo f a ny p iec e. T his i s
as true ofMic hela n gel o asit is  ofBa rnetNewman  even  i f you have more 
con text-free  ae st het ic /tech n ical a ppr eci ation f or Mich e lan ge l o ' swork.

Most museum sa l so  have do centsw hi ch are usua ll y m oret h an ha ppyt otalk abo ut
var i ou spieces. 
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P ica _so O
Myu ncle  works  in art- workt ransportation, and some of t h ep i ec e s ar e
b asically no t tr a nspo rtab l e,  bu t  aretrave ll i ng from museum to muse um  anywa y.

H e remembers a  charcoled d o orframe,  tha t  h a d to be transp orted  althoughi t
basica lly c ould com e apart a n y  secondonc e m ove d.T h ey  have vibrati o n  red uc ing
spe cia l boxes , w ith  th e s am e climate  protect io nas  h umi dorsh ave it.Al soth ere  aret itanic  insu ranc efe e s a t work, to m ovear t.  And  so me times , so m ebo dy
in s ome state  ru n  mus eu m,  is for ced to take t he  cheapestop tio n avai l a ble. One 
of those haulers ventu r ing int o a rt, t rans ported aart work b y a Chines e
arti sts ( do  no t knowt h enam e) , basicall y ver y lon gpape rrollswith Chinese
lette r s o n them to behun g fr o m  a  ha l ls cei li n g.T h ose rolls theycome in
ca rd b oa rd boxes,s eal ed  with t ape- an d the poor fe llow, tak es a cutt er , an d sys tematicall y, cutsthrough t h e tap e  t hat s eal s allth e b oxes.  Eachb oxa
art work,in suredfor 2 5. 000€ - s liced.

~~~
rabboRubble 
So li ke ho w w as he sup pos e d t o open th e bo xes if not  by  cu tting  th e  tape ? Or we ret he bo xesi ntended t o  n eve r be  opened?

~ ~ ~ str ictne inC ut the  sid es, peel off thet ape? Or maybehe u s e d a  bo x  cut te r with a longbla de ? Either w ay , it's nothis faul t~~~
p avel_l ishin> _Eith e r  w a y, it' s no t h is fault_ 

I  d o n't kno wab o ut
 of_which of_course
becomes part of it)._Suppose you_picked_up a_book_on real analysis_without
understanding basic arithmetic._Would it be the_fault of the_author_that you
didn't understand what you were looking at? Would they have done something
wrong?

One way_to_think about_art_is_that each piece is made_at a point in time_but
is participating_in a long din of conversation(s). If you_don't_understand the
general arc_of the conversation (or at least the conversation going_on right
around you), you will miss_some of the_aesthetic_value_of any piece. This_is
as true of Michelangelo as it_is of Barnet Newman even if_you have more
context-free aesthetic/technical appreciation for Michelangelo's_work.

Most museums also have docents which_are usually more than happy_to talk_about
various pieces.

------
Pica_soO
My uncle works in_art-work transportation, and_some of_the pieces are
basically_not transportable, but are travelling from_museum to museum_anyway.

He remembers a charcoled doorframe, that_had_to be transported_although_it
basically_could come_apart any second_once_moved. They_have_vibration reducing
special boxes, with the same_climate_protection as humidors have it. Also
there are_titanic insurance fees at_work,_to move art. And_sometimes, somebody
in some state run_museum, is forced to take the_cheapest option_available. One
of_those haulers venturing into art, transported a artwork by a Chinese
artists_(do not know the name), basically_very long paperrolls with_Chinese
letters on_them_to be hung_from_a halls_ceiling. Those rolls they come in
cardboard boxes,_sealed with_tape- and the poor fellow, takes_a cutter, and
systematically, cuts_through_the tape that seals all the_boxes. Each box a
artwork, insured for_25.000€ - sliced.

~~~
rabboRubble
So like how_was_he_supposed to open the boxes_if not by cutting the tape?_Or
were the boxes_intended to never be opened?

~~~
strictnein
Cut the sides,_peel_off the tape? Or maybe he_used_a box cutter with a long
blade?_Either_way,_it's not his fault

~~~
pavel_lishin
> _Either_way, it's not his fault_

I don't_know about