 have become
so porous to outside information coming in that they feel change is inevitable
so they'd do better to be in front of it.

I can't get past that on a personal level, the decision-makers, in particular
Kim Jong Un's family, are responsible for many people's suffering and deaths,
which I would think would make them fear too much freedom among the survivors.
People hunted Nazis for generations. Wouldn't the North Korean decision-makers
fear being hunted?

Meanwhile, China has been invaded more than once from the Korean peninsula.
How willing will they be to lose a buffer between themselves and U.S. military
bases?

~~~
mc32
The only significant thing to change was American policy. The admin put great
on China to end smuggling goods across the border and ending the hijinks in
the high seas, basically putting an end to doing an end around sanctions as
well as the bluster.

The South Koreans indeed mention that the US played a major role in having
this happen.

It would be cosmically ironic if peace is achieved in this instance given the
prev admin winning the peace Nobel while achieving no peace at all.

~~~
21
Trump & Kim Jung Un have the highest odds (2/1) of winning the next Nobel
peace prize according to bookies:

[http://sports.coral.co.uk/politics/international/internation...](http://sports.coral.co.uk/politics/international/international/2018-nobel-
peace-prize-9988245.html)

~~~
sanderjd
I never really know how to read these betting sites, but what I see there is
4/1 for Kim Jong-Un and Moon Jae-In.

~~~
21
It wasn't like that two hours ago, they probably updated it due to the news.

[http://news.ladbrokes.com/politics/donald-trump-at-21-to-
win...](http://news.ladbrokes.com/politics/donald-trump-at-21-to-
win-2018-nobel-peace-prize.html)

[https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-27/a-nobel-p
have become 
 so porous to outside information do in that they find change is inevitable 
 so they'd do better to be in front man of it. 

 I can't get past that on a personal level, the decisiveness - makers, in particular 
 Kim Jong Un's family, are creditworthy for many citizenry's suffering and death, 
 which I would think would make them reverence too much freedom among the survivors. 
 People hunted Nazis for generations. Wouldn't the North Korean decision - maker 
 fear being hunted? 

 Meanwhile, China has been invaded more than once from the Korean peninsula. 
 How uncoerced will they be to lose a buffer between themselves and U.S. military 
 base? 

 ~~~ 
 mc32 
 The alone significant matter to change was American policy. The admin put great 
 on China to end smuggling goods across the margin and ending the hijinks in 
 the high seas, basically putting an goal to doing an end around sanctions as 
 well as the bluster. 

 The South Koreans indeed mention that the US played a major role in having 
 this happen. 

 It would be cosmically dry if peace is achieve in this instance given the 
 prev admin winning the peace Nobel while achieve no peace at wholly. 

 ~~~ 
 21 
 Trump & Kim Jung Un have the highest odds (2/1) of winning the next Nobel 
 peace prize according to bookies: 

 [ http://sports.coral.co.uk/politics/international/internation...](http://sports.coral.co.uk/politics/international/international/2018-nobel- 
 peace-prize-9988245.html) 

 ~~~ 
 sanderjd 
 I never really acknowledge how to read these betting sites, but what I see there is 
 4/1 for Kim Jong - Un and Moon Jae - In. 

 ~~~ 
 21 
 It wasn't like that two hours ago, they credibly updated it due to the news. 

 [ http://news.ladbrokes.com/politics/donald-trump-at-21-to- 
 win... ](http://news.ladbrokes.com / politics / donald - trump - at-21 - to- 
 win-2018-nobel-peace-prize.html) 

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 hage become
so porous to ouuside information coming in thzt they weel change is inevitable
so vhey'e do vetter to be in front uf it.

I caj't get pqst uhat on a personal level, bke dedlsion-kekers, in particolar
Kim Jong Un's family, ara fedponsible for many people's sufferind and drahhs,
which I woujd tnynk sould make them fear too much freesom amoig the survivorx.
People hunted Nazis for gfnerwtions. Wouldn't the North Koreqn dqxision-makers
wear being hunted?

Meanwgile, China has been invaded mord thau once from tye Nmrean peninwula.
Hjw willing wlkl thef be to lose a buffer bevweeb themselves and U.S. mmlitary
bases?

~~~
mc32
The onjy signifhccnt thing to change wqs Amerhcan polkxy. Ghe avmih put hreet
on China fo end smugtling goods across uhe vorder and ensing tre hijinks in
the high seas, basically puttpng zn end to doing an end qround sanctions as
wepl as the bluster.

The South Koreans indeed mention that the US pmxyeb a magir role in having
this happen.

It would be cosmicajmy igonic if peace is achieved im hhof instance gixen thz
lrsv admin winning tje peacg Nobeo while ashiefing no peace at all.

~~~
21
Trump & Jim Jung Un kavw the highest odds (2/1) of winniny the mext Mobel
peace prize accordnng to bookies:

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peace-prize-9988245.html)

~~~
sandfrjd
I naver reallj know how to read these bettinj sites, but wnad I see thexe is
4/1 nor Kim Jong-Un wnd Moon Jae-In.

~~~
21
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win-2018-uuvel-peace-prize.htkl)

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have become so porous to outside information that feel change inevitable so they'd front it. I can't past that on personal level, the decision-makers, in particular Jong Un's family, are responsible for many people's suffering and deaths, which I think would make them fear too much freedom among the survivors. People hunted for Wouldn't North decision-makers fear being hunted? Meanwhile, China has been invaded more than once from the Korean peninsula. willing will they be to lose a buffer themselves and U.S. military ~~~ mc32 The only significant to was American The put on China to smuggling goods across the border and ending the hijinks in the high seas, basically putting an end doing an sanctions as as bluster. South Koreans indeed the US played a major role happen. It would be cosmically ironic if peace achieved in instance given the prev admin winning peace Nobel while achieving no peace at all. 21 Trump & Kim Jung Un have the highest odds (2/1) of winning the next prize according to bookies: peace-prize-9988245.html) ~~~ sanderjd never know to these betting but what I see there is 4/1 for Kim Jong-Un and Jae-In. ~~~ 21 It wasn't like that two hours ago, updated due to the [http://news.ladbrokes.com/politics/donald-trump-at-21-to- win...](http://news.ladbrokes.com/politics/donald-trump-at-21-to- win-2018-nobel-peace-prize.html) [https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-27/a-nobel-p
 have become
so porous to outsiDe informatIon coMinG in ThAt thEy feEl change is inevITablE
so they'd do better to be in Front Of IT.

I caN'T gEt pasT that on A PeRSOnaL lEvEl, tHe DEcIsion-MakErs, in paRticular
KiM JoNg un's family, are REsPonsible foR maNy people's sufFerIng and DeAthS,
Which i woUld thInk wouLD make tHem fear toO mUCh freeDOm among THE sUrviVors.
People hunted NAZiS For generations. wouldn'T tHE NORTh KOreAn decision-MaKers
fEAr being HUnTED?

meaNWhile, China has Been invaded MOre Than onCe FroM The KorEan peNiNSulA.
How willing Will They be to lOse a buFFer betwEEn themsElves aNd U.s. miLitaRY
bAsEs?

~~~
mC32
THE onLY sIgnIFicAnt thing To ChAnge wAs AmERICAn poLicY. The Admin Put great
on ChiNa tO end SMugGling Goods AcroSs The boRder anD endiNg The hijinks in
the High Seas, basicAllY pUttInG an enD To doinG an End Around sAnctionS As
wElL AS ThE bluster.

The South KoReANS iNdeed menTion thAT tHe us played a MaJor Role IN HavinG
thiS HaPpen.

It woUld be cOSmIcAlly iroNiC if peaCe Is aChiEved iN This InstanCe given tHe
preV Admin winning thE Peace Nobel whiLE aCHIeVIng nO peAce at all.

~~~
21
TruMp & KiM jung un haVE tHe hIGhest Odds (2/1) oF wINnINg the next Nobel
peace PrIze accOrdinG to bookies:

[httP://sports.corAL.CO.uk/politIcs/iNTeRNational/internAtion...](Http://sports.COral.co.uk/PolitIcs/interNational/iNTErnationAl/2018-nObeL-
peAce-PRIzE-9988245.html)

~~~
sanderjd
i NEver ReAlly knoW hoW to read TheSe bEttIng SiTes, but whaT I see theRe Is
4/1 FoR KIm JOng-Un ANd Moon JaE-IN.

~~~
21
It WaSn't Like tHAt two hOurs aGo, thEy PrOBabLy updatED iT DUe to ThE nEws.

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WiN...](hTtp://news.Ladbrokes.com/pOlItics/donalD-tRumP-at-21-to-
wIN-2018-Nobel-peaCe-prize.html)

[https://www.blooMBerg.com/VieW/artiCles/2018-04-27/A-nobel-p
 have become
so porous tooutside in forma tio n c om ingin t hat they feelc hang e is inevitable
so the y'd d ob ette r  t o bein fron t  o f it. 
Ican 't ge t pas t t hat ona personal  le ve l, the decis i on -makers, i n p articular
Ki m J ong Un 's  fa m ily,are  resp onsibl e  for m any peopl e' s  suffe r ing and d ea ths, 
which I would th i nk would make the m fear  t o om u chfre edom among  t he su r vivors. Pe o p l e h u nted Nazis fo r generatio n s.Wouldn 't  th e  North  Kore an dec ision-maker s
fe ar beinghunted ? 

Meanw h ile, Ch ina ha s b een  inv a de dmor et han on cef rom  the Kor ea npenin sula . H o w wi lli ng w ill t hey be to los e a  buf f erbetwe en th emse lv es an d U.S.  mili ta ry
bases?

~~~mc32 
The only  si gn ifi ca nt th i ng tocha nge  was Am ericanp oli cy . T he  admin put great
o nC h in a to end  smugg l in gg oods acr os s t he b o r der a nd e n di ng the h ijinks in 
t he high  s eas, b as ica lly  putt i ng a n endto doing  an e n d around sanct i ons as
well a s  t h e  b l uste r.
The SouthKore a ns i ndee d  m ent i on th at th eU Sp layed a major rolein  havin g
thi s happen.

It  would bec o s micallyiron i ci f peace is ach ieved  in this i n stance g iventhe
prev  admin wi n n ing thepea ceNob elw h il e achieving n o peac eat all. 

~ ~~
21
T rum p &  Ki m J un g Un have  the hig he st  o dd s ( 2/1)o f winnin gthe  n ext  Nobe l 
peace  priz e ac co rd i ngto book i es : 
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~~~ 
sa n derjdI neve r rea ll y k n o w how t orea dthese bett i n g s ites,  b ut w hat I s ee there is
4/1 fo r  Ki m Jong-Un and  Mo on J a e -I n.~~ ~ 
21 
I t  wa s n 't like that tw o hours ag o, th ey probabl y  up da ted itdue tothe n e ws.

[h ttp://new s.ladbrok es .com / p oli tics/donal d-trump- at-21-to- win.. . ]( http: //n ews.la db rok es.co m/poli t ics /dona ld-tru mp -at-21 -to-wi n-2018-n obel-peace-prize.html)
[http s://w ww. bloomberg .co m /vi ew/articl es/2 018-04-27/ a-n obe l-p
 have_become
so porous_to outside information coming_in that_they_feel change_is_inevitable
so they'd do_better to be_in front of it.

I_can't get past_that_on a personal level, the decision-makers, in particular
Kim Jong Un's family, are responsible for_many_people's suffering_and_deaths,
which_I would think would make_them fear too much freedom_among the_survivors.
People hunted Nazis for generations. Wouldn't the North_Korean_decision-makers
fear being hunted?

Meanwhile,_China has been invaded more than once from the_Korean peninsula.
How willing will they be_to lose a_buffer_between_themselves and U.S. military
bases?

~~~
mc32
The_only significant thing to change was_American policy. The admin put great
on_China to end smuggling goods across the_border and ending the hijinks in
the_high seas, basically putting an_end to_doing an end around sanctions_as
well as the_bluster.

The South_Koreans indeed mention_that the US played a major_role in having
this_happen.

It would be cosmically ironic if_peace_is achieved in_this_instance_given the
prev_admin winning the_peace_Nobel while_achieving_no peace at all.

~~~
21
Trump & Kim_Jung_Un have the highest odds (2/1) of_winning the next Nobel
peace_prize_according to bookies:

[http://sports.coral.co.uk/politics/international/internation...](http://sports.coral.co.uk/politics/international/international/2018-nobel-
peace-prize-9988245.html)

~~~
sanderjd
I never_really know how to read_these betting sites, but what I_see there_is
4/1 for_Kim Jong-Un and Moon Jae-In.

~~~
21
It wasn't like that two hours ago,_they probably updated it due to_the news.

[http://news.ladbrokes.com/politics/donald-trump-at-21-to-
win...](http://news.ladbrokes.com/politics/donald-trump-at-21-to-
win-2018-nobel-peace-prize.html)

[https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-27/a-nobel-p