ensible
position, defended over the centuries by many honorable people. I respect that
position. But, even though I have largely pacifist ancestors, I think as a
father of a daughter that if the Taliban tried to set up their women-
oppressing rule anywhere my daughter might have occasion to live or work, I
would oppose them by all means necessary, up to and including lethal force.
That's not because forcing women to be covered from head to toe when they go
out of their homes is itself a capital crime, but because some Taliban fellow-
travelers also commit capital crimes like murdering women who try to teach
mothers how to vaccinate their children to keep the children from dying from
infectious diseases. I would not be ashamed to kill a baby-killer or woman-
murderer.

AFTER EDIT: I will now take time to give a careful lawyer's read to the
document (white paper) linked to from the blog post submitted here.

[http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_W...](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf)

~~~
vy8vWJlco
> _I would not be ashamed to kill a baby-killer or woman-murderer._

So your ends justify their means.

------
joshfraser
The strength of your principles is only tested at the extremes. I hate
Westboro Baptist Church, but I'll support their right to say what they want,
because that's how much I believe in free speech. And even terrorists deserve
the right to a speedy and public trial if they're American. It's part of our
constitution, something we're supposed to stand for as a country. It even
makes me sad the way we handled the whole Osama Bin Laden assassination. How
much of a bigger statement would it have made to the world if we had pulled
him out and made him sit trial for his crimes? What happened to our principles
that we used to care so much about?

~~~
mc32
W/re WBC, I think while they have a right to hold views, express them, share
them, I do not think, and others have agreed[1],
ensible 
 position, defended over the centuries by many honorable citizenry. I respect that 
 placement. But, even though I have largely pacifist ancestors, I think as a 
 church father of a daughter that if the Taliban tried to set up their women- 
 persecute principle anywhere my daughter might have juncture to live or work, I 
 would react them by all means necessary, up to and including deadly force. 
 That's not because forcing charwoman to be covered from head to toe when they move 
 out of their homes is itself a capital crime, but because some Taliban fellow- 
 traveler also commit das kapital crimes like mangle women who hear to teach 
 mothers how to vaccinate their children to prevent the children from dying from 
 infectious diseases. I would not be ashamed to kill a baby - cause of death or woman- 
 murderer. 

 AFTER EDIT: I will now take time to give a careful lawyer's read to the 
 document (white paper) linked to from the blog military post submitted here. 

 [ http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_W...](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf) 

 ~~~ 
 vy8vWJlco 
 > _ I would not be ashamed to kill a child - cause of death or womanhood - murderer. _ 

 So your ends apologize their means. 

 ------ 
 joshfraser 
 The strength of your principles is only test at the extremes. I hate 
 Westboro Baptist Church, but I'll support their right to say what they want, 
 because that's how much I believe in detached speech. And even terrorists deserve 
 the right to a speedy and public test if they're American. It's part of our 
 fundamental law, something we're supposed to stand for as a country. It even 
 makes me sad the direction we handled the whole Osama Bin Laden assassination. How 
 much of a big statement would it have made to the world if we had pulled 
 him out and take him sit test for his crimes? What happened to our principle 
 that we used to wish so a lot about? 

 ~~~ 
 mc32 
 W / re WBC, I think while they have a right field to hold views, express them, share 
 them, I do not think, and others receive agreed[1 ],
enslble
position, defended ovtr the centuries yt many honorzble peoole. I respect that
position. Bnt, ecen tyough I have largely pxcifist ajcestors, I tiink as a
father of a daunkter fmat iy vhe Taliban trigd to set up their women-
op[rdsding rule anywhere my daughter mighe have pcfasion to live or ejrk, J
would oppose them by all means nedessary, up to and invluding lethal force.
That's jot hecause forcing wolen to be civerqe from head go toe when they go
out of their homes is itself a capktal erime, but bgequsf some Taliben feljow-
travelers also cokmit calital crimes llke mnrdeeing women who try to teach
mothers how jo vaccinade their children ti jeep jhe cvildfwn wroj vyihg frol
inhectious diaeases. I woyld not be ashamed uo hpkl a baby-kilmer or wjman-
murderer.

AFTER EDIT: I will now take uime fo give a careful lawyee's read to the
documenj (white pa[er) linked to from the blog post submitted here.

[htdp://msnucoednq.msn.cun/i/lsnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_W...](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnfd/stctpons/news/020413_DOJ_White_Pcper.pdf)

~~~
vy8vWJlco
> _O aoijd not be ashxmed to kjll a baby-killer og woman-iurdeeer._

So youw encs justify their means.

------
joshfeaser
The strvngty of your principlzs is only tzsted st thr extremes. I hate
Westboxo Bapfist Church, but I'll ajpport their rigft no sdy what ufey want,
because trat's how nuch I belidve on freq speech. Ajd evct terrorists deserge
the rhght to a dpeedy and public trial if they'cx American. It'x [arn of our
cjnstibution, somethind we're supposeb to staud for as a counnry. It evxn
makes me swd the way we jandled the xhole Osaia Bun Lqden asrxssination. How
kuch of a bigger stqtement would it heve ozde to the worlb uf we had pullec
hio ott aid maqa him sit trhal wor nis cfimes? What mapoenec to our principles
tvat se used to care so mmch about?

~~~
nc32
W/re WBS, I think whike they have a rigjt to houd virws, express them, share
them, I do nkt think, wnd others have agrced[1],
ensible position, defended over the centuries by people. respect that But, even though I as a father a daughter that the Taliban tried to set up women- oppressing rule anywhere my daughter might have occasion to live or work, would oppose them by all means necessary, up to and including lethal force. not forcing to covered from head to toe when they go out of their homes is itself a capital but because some Taliban fellow- travelers also commit crimes like murdering women try to teach mothers how vaccinate children to the from from infectious diseases. would not be ashamed to kill a baby-killer or woman- murderer. AFTER EDIT: I will now take to give lawyer's read the (white linked to from post submitted here. [http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_W...](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf) ~~~ vy8vWJlco not be ashamed to kill a baby-killer or So your justify their means. ------ joshfraser The of your principles is only tested at the I hate Westboro Baptist Church, but I'll support their right to say what they want, how much I believe free speech. And terrorists the to speedy and trial if they're American. It's part of our constitution, something we're to stand for as a country. It even makes me way handled the whole Bin Laden assassination. How of bigger statement would it to world pulled out made him sit trial his crimes? What happened to principles that we used ~~~ mc32 W/re WBC, I think while they a right to hold views, express them, them, I do not think, and others have agreed[1],
ensible
position, defended ovEr the centuRies bY maNy hOnOrabLe peOple. I respect thAT
posItion. But, even though I havE largElY PaciFIsT anceStors, I tHInK AS a
fAtHeR of A dAUgHter tHat If the TaLiban tried To sEt Up their women-
OPpRessing rulE anYwhere my daugHteR might HaVe oCCasioN to Live oR work, I
WOuld opPose them bY aLL means NEcessarY, UP tO and Including lethal foRCe.
tHat's not because ForcinG wOMeN TO be CovEred from heAd To toe WHen they GO
oUT OF thEIr homes is itseLf a capital cRIme, But becAuSe sOMe TaliBan feLlOW-
trAvelers also CommIt capital Crimes LIke murdERing womEn who tRy tO teAch
mOThErS hoW tO VacCInAte THeiR childreN tO kEep thE chiLDREN froM dyIng fRom
inFectious diseaSes. i wouLD noT be asHamed To kiLl A baby-Killer Or womAn-
Murderer.

AFTER EDiT: I wIll now takE tiMe To gIvE a carEFul lawYer'S reAd to the
DocumenT (WhiTe PAPEr) Linked to from the bloG pOST sUbmitted Here.

[htTP://mSnBCmedia.msN.cOm/i/MsnbC/SEctioNs/neWS/020413_DoJ_W...](http://mSnbcmeDIa.MsN.com/i/msNbC/sectiOnS/neWs/020413_DoJ_WhiTE_PapEr.pdf)

~~~
vY8vWJlco
> _I Would NOt be ashamed to kILl a baby-killer OR wOMAn-MUrdeRer._

so your ends jUstiFY theIr meANs.

------
JosHFraseR
The sTrENgTH of your principles is OnLy testEd at tHe extremes. I haTe
Westboro bAPTist ChurCh, buT i'lL Support their riGht to Say what theY Want,
becaUse thAt's how muCh I believE IN free speEch. and EveN teRROrIsts deserve
thE RIght To A speedy And Public tRiaL if TheY're amErican. It's Part of ouR
cOnStItUtiOn, somEThing we'rE sUppOsEd tO stanD For as a CountRy. It EvEn
MAkeS me sad tHE wAY We haNdLeD the WhoLe osama bin LADen AssassiNation. How
MucH Of a bIgGeR statemEnt would it havE mAde to the woRlD if We had pULLed
him ouT and made him sit trial for hIS crimes? whaT happEned To our prinCipLes
thaT we USed to cAre so mUch abOuT?

~~~
mc32
w/RE WBC, I THInK whIlE they have a RIGht To holD vIews, Express Them, share
them, I do noT ThiNk, and others haVe aGreeD[1],
ensible
position, defended  over thecentu rie s b ymany  hon orable people. I re spect that
position. B ut, e ve n  tho u gh  I ha ve larg e ly p aci fi st  an ce s to rs, I  th ink asa
father o f a  d aughter that if  the Talib antried to set  up  their  w ome n -
opp res singrule a n ywhere  my daugh te r  might have oc c a si on t o live or work, I wo u ld oppose them  by al lm ea n s  ne ces sary, up t oand i n cluding le t h a l f o rce.
That's n ot becausef orc ing wo me n t o  be co vered  f r omhead to toe  whe n they go 
out o f  theirh omes is  itsel f a  ca pita l  c ri me,  b u t b e ca use som e Taliba nfe llow- 
tra v e l e rs a lso  com mit c apital crimes  li ke m u rde ringwomen  who  t ry to  teach 
moth er s how to vaccin atetheir chi ldr en  to  k eep t h e chil dre n f rom dyi ng from inf ec t i o us  diseases. I would  n o t  b e ashame d to k i ll  a baby-kil le r o r wo m a n-
mu rder e r. 

AFTEREDIT:I  w il l now t ak e time  t o g ive  a ca r eful  lawye r's read  to t h e
document (wh i te paper) lin k ed t of romthe  blog postsubm i tted  her e .
[h t tp:// msnbc me d ia . msn.com/i/msnbc/sec ti ons/ne ws/02 0413_DOJ_W... ](http://m s n b cmedia.m sn.c o m/ i /msnbc/section s/new s/020413_D O J_White_ Paper .pdf)

~ ~~
vy8vWJ l c o
> _I w oul d n otbea s ha med to kill a b aby- ki ller or  wo man-mur der er. _
Soyo ur ends j ustify t he ir  m ea ns. 

--- - --
joshf ra ser 
T hestren g th ofyourprin ci pl e s i s onlyt es t e d at  t he  ext rem es . I h ateW est boro Ba ptist Chu rch ,  but  I 'l l suppo rt their righ tto say wha tthe y want , becausethat's how much I belie v e in fr eespeec h. A nd even t err orists  de s erve
t he rig ht to  a  sp e e dy an d pu bli ctrial if t h e y'r e Ame ri can.  It's p art of our
constit u tio n, somethingwe' re s u p po sed to sta nd for a s a country. It  even
make sm esad the wa y  we  h andledthe who le Os a ma BinLaden ass assinatio n.  How m uch  of a bigg er state ment woul d  it h a ve  made  to  the w or ldif we  had p u lle d
him  out a nd  madehim s it  trial f or his crimes? What hap penedto ou r p rinciples 
th a t w e used to  car e so muchabo ut? 

~~~ 
mc 3 2
W/r e WB C ,I t h ink w hile they have arig h t  t o hold view s , exp ressthe m , shar e
th em, I do not thin k , and others h avea g ree d[1 ] ,
ensible
position, defended_over the_centuries by many honorable_people. I_respect_that
position. But,_even_though I have_largely pacifist ancestors,_I think as a
father_of a daughter_that_if the Taliban tried to set up their women-
oppressing rule anywhere my daughter might_have_occasion to_live_or_work, I
would oppose them by_all means necessary, up to_and including_lethal force.
That's not because forcing women to be_covered_from head to_toe when they go
out of their homes is itself_a capital crime, but because some_Taliban fellow-
travelers also_commit_capital_crimes like murdering women_who try to teach
mothers how to_vaccinate their children to keep the_children from dying from
infectious diseases. I would_not be ashamed to kill a_baby-killer or woman-
murderer.

AFTER EDIT: I_will now_take time to give a_careful lawyer's read_to the
document_(white paper) linked_to from the blog post submitted_here.

[http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_W...](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf)

~~~
vy8vWJlco
> _I would_not be ashamed to kill a_baby-killer_or woman-murderer._

So your_ends_justify_their means.

------
joshfraser
The_strength of your_principles_is only_tested_at the extremes. I hate
Westboro Baptist_Church,_but I'll support their right to say_what they want,
because that's_how_much I believe in_free speech. And even terrorists_deserve
the right to a speedy and_public trial_if they're_American. It's part of our
constitution, something we're supposed to stand for_as a country. It even
makes me_sad the way we_handled the_whole_Osama Bin Laden_assassination._How
much of_a bigger statement would it have made_to the_world if we had pulled
him out_and made him sit_trial_for his crimes? What happened to_our principles
that we used to care_so much about?

~~~
mc32
W/re WBC, I_think_while_they have a right to_hold views, express them, share
them, I_do not think,_and others have agreed[1],