 see up to around 750nm or so (NIR) with
awful quantum efficiency. Pit vipers and some fish have limited perception of
IR, but I'm not aware of any animals that can see IR in the conventional
sense… being warm blooded presents a real problem, for one.

Plainly, there are limits to what can be achieved in hyperspectral imaging due
to materials, and that's without the constraints of biology thrown in the mix.

~~~
nl
_Utter poppycock._

That seems... strong, especially if referring to the "Night vision glasses no
longer needed for enhanced soldiers" bit.

 _They eventually formulate a chlorin e6 solution for human use. A few drops
are dripped into Licina’s eyes, and they had him look for people hidden among
trees as well as symbols on objects in dim light. Licina seemed to perform a
lot better than the four other people who did not get eyedrops._

[http://gizmodo.com/the-real-science-behind-the-crazy-
night-v...](http://gizmodo.com/the-real-science-behind-the-crazy-night-vision-
eyedrops-1694955347)

~~~
OopsCriticality
My frustration was more directed towards the UV-Vis-NIR part (and I read night
vision as thermal IR, but who knows), but I wouldn't say that your linked
article is something of substance. To quote the article, quoting the
experimenter/ee, "In Licina’s own words: 'Let’s be fair here. It’s kind of
crap science.'"

I wouldn't even know where to begin in criticizing their study as disseminated
on their website except to say it is completely unscientific. There are no
proper controls, for one. I think it's wholly irresponsible of the press to
report on this work in this fashion at such a premature stage. I respect the
enthusiasm of the citizen science crowd and think it's a neat idea, but stuff
like this is going to quickly earn it a very bad reputation.

------
dspeyer
First thought:

The _usual_ pattern is that only one X chromosome gets transcribed in any
given cell.[1] This keeps the dosage of all those proteins
see up to around 750 nm or so (NIR) with 
 awful quantum efficiency. Pit viper and some pisces have limited perception of 
 IR, but I'm not mindful of any animals that can visit IR in the conventional 
 sense … being affectionate blooded presents a actual problem, for one. 

 Plainly, there be limits to what can be achieved in hyperspectral imagination due 
 to materials, and that's without the constraints of biology thrown in the mix. 

 ~~~ 
 nl 
 _ Utter poppycock. _ 

 That seems... potent, especially if referring to the " Night vision glass no 
 longer needed for enhanced soldiers " bit. 

  _ They eventually explicate a chlorin e6 solution for human use. A few drops 
 are dripped into Licina ’s eyes, and they had him front for people hidden among 
 trees as well as symbols on object in dimmed light. Licina seemed to perform a 
 lot better than the four other citizenry who did not have eyedrops. _ 

 [ http://gizmodo.com/the-real-science-behind-the-crazy- 
 night - v... ](http://gizmodo.com / the - veridical - science - behind - the - crazy - night - vision- 
 eyedrops-1694955347) 

 ~~~ 
 OopsCriticality 
 My frustration was more directed towards the ultraviolet - Vis - NIR part (and I understand night 
 vision as thermal IR, but who know), but I wouldn't say that your linked 
 article is something of substance. To quote the article, quoting the 
 experimenter / ee, " In Licina ’s own words:' Let ’s be average here. It ’s kind of 
 crap science.' " 

 I wouldn't even know where to begin in knock their study as circulate 
 on their web site except to state it is completely unscientific. There are no 
 proper controls, for one. I think it's wholly irresponsible of the press to 
 report on this work in this manner at such a premature degree. I respect the 
 enthusiasm of the citizen science crowd and intend it's a neat estimate, but stuff 
 like this is going to promptly earn it a very regretful reputation. 

 ------ 
 dspeyer 
 First thought: 

 The _ usual _ pattern is that entirely one X chromosome gets transcribed in any 
 given cell.[1 ] This keeps the dosage of all those protein
 sef up to around 750nm or so (KIR) with
awful qucbtum ehficiendy. Pit vkpers and some fish have limmted perctition of
IR, but I'm not aware of any aninals rhat can sxs IR in the ckkventnoial
sense… being earm bloodad presents a sexl problem, for one.

Plainly, there are lymits tp ahat can be acrievtd yn hgievspectral imaging due
to materiala, and tiat's without thr constraints of biology tjrowj in the mix.

~~~
nl
_Utteg poppycock._

Jgat weems... strong, especiallj if referrjng to the "Night vision glasses no
louger needed fir fthanced solviers" fit.

 _They eveknually xormulaye a chlorin e6 sonutuon for human use. A fxw drops
are dripped ynto Licita’a eyes, and they hqd him nook for peoole hmddsn amojg
tcees as welm as symbolw on objects in dim lytht. Licina sesmed tj [erform a
lot better than the four other pekple who did not get eywdrops._

[http://gizmodo.com/tje-real-sciqnce-behind-the-crazy-
night-v...](http://gizmodo.com/the-real-scietce-beiivd-tkc-grazh-bihht-vision-
eyedrops-1694955347)

~~~
OopsCriticality
My frustratiog wss more directed towards thr KV-Fys-NIR part (ana I recs hight
vision as thegmal IR, but qho knows), but I wouldn't say that your libked
article ps simething of substauce. To quote the artivle, quoting the
experimeuter/ee, "In Licina’s own worda: 'Let’s be fair hefe. Pt’s nind of
crap science.'"

I wouldg't even kiow wkere to cegim in cwiticizing theiv study as disseminwted
ou thehr website except to say it is completely unscientific. Jhese dre no
prjper gontrols, for onq. I think it's cholly ixrespovsible of nhe press to
report og this work it this fashioi at such a peemarure stxee. I respect tne
enthusicfm od the citizen sciekce ctosd and think it'w a neat idea, but xtuwf
lykv tiis if going to quhcklh extn it a very bad fepuyation.

------
dspeyer
First tvouggt:

The _usual_ patterm ls that obly one V chromosome bets transcribed ij any
jiven rell.[1] Tnis keeps the dosage of all those proteins
see up to around 750nm or so awful efficiency. Pit and some fish but not aware of animals that can IR in the conventional sense… being blooded presents a real problem, for one. Plainly, there are limits to what be achieved in hyperspectral imaging due to materials, and that's without the constraints biology in mix. nl _Utter poppycock._ That seems... strong, especially if referring to the "Night vision glasses no longer for enhanced soldiers" bit. _They eventually formulate a e6 solution for human A few drops are dripped Licina’s and they him for hidden among trees well as symbols on objects in dim light. Licina seemed to perform a lot better than the other people not get [http://gizmodo.com/the-real-science-behind-the-crazy- eyedrops-1694955347) OopsCriticality My frustration directed towards the UV-Vis-NIR part (and vision as thermal IR, but who knows), but wouldn't say your linked article is something of To quote the article, quoting the experimenter/ee, "In own words: 'Let’s be fair here. It’s kind of crap science.'" I wouldn't even know begin in criticizing their as disseminated on website to it completely unscientific. are no proper controls, for one. I think it's wholly irresponsible the press to report on this work in this fashion a stage. I respect enthusiasm of the citizen crowd think it's a neat stuff this quickly it very bad reputation. ------ First thought: The _usual_ pattern that only one X given cell.[1] This keeps the dosage of all proteins
 see up to around 750nm or so (NIR) witH
awful quanTum efFicIenCy. pit vIperS and some fish haVE limIted perception of
IR, but I'M not aWaRE of aNY aNimalS that caN SeE ir in ThE cOnvEnTIoNal
seNse… Being waRm blooded pResEnTs a real problEM, fOr one.

PlainLy, tHere are limitS to What caN bE acHIeved In hYpersPectraL ImaginG due
to matErIAls, and THat's witHOUt The cOnstraints of bioloGY tHRown in the mix.

~~~
nl
_utter pOpPYcOCK._

ThAt sEems... strong, EsPeciaLLy if refERrING To tHE "Night vision gLasses no
lonGEr nEeded fOr EnhANced soLdierS" bIT.

 _ThEy eventuallY forMulate a chLorin e6 SOlution FOr human Use. A feW drOps
Are dRIpPeD inTo lIciNA’s EyeS, And They had hIm LoOk for PeopLE HIDden AmoNg
trEes as Well as symbols On oBjecTS in Dim liGht. LiCina SeEmed tO perfoRm a
loT bEtter than the fouR othEr people wHo dId Not GeT eyedROps._

[httP://giZmoDo.com/thE-real-scIEncE-bEHINd-The-crazy-
night-v...](http://GiZMOdO.com/the-rEal-sciENcE-bEHind-the-cRaZy-nIght-VISion-
eYedrOPs-1694955347)

~~~
oopsCritIcalitY
my FrUstratiOn Was morE dIreCteD towaRDs thE UV-Vis-nIR part (aNd I reAD night
vision as THermal IR, but whO KnOWS), bUT I woUldN't say that yoUr liNKed
aRticLE iS soMEthinG of suBsTAnCE. To quote the article, qUoTing thE
expeRimenter/ee, "In LIcina’s own wORDS: 'Let’s be fAir hERe. iT’s kind of
crap scIence.'"

i wouldn't evEN know wheRe to bEgin in crIticizing THEir study As dIssEmiNatED
On Their website eXCEpt tO sAy it is cOmpLetely uNscIenTifIc. THeRe are no
prOper contRoLs, FoR oNe. I Think IT's wholly IrResPoNsiBle of THe presS to
rePort On ThIS woRk in thiS FaSHIon aT sUcH a prEmaTuRe staGe. I rESpeCt the
enThusiasm oF thE CitiZeN sCience cRowd and think iT's A neat idea, bUt StuFf
like THIs is goinG to quickly earn it a very baD ReputatIon.

------
DspeyEr
FiRst thoughT:

ThE _usual_ PatTErn is tHat onlY one X ChRomOSOme geTS TrAnsCrIbed in any
gIVEn cEll.[1] ThIs KeepS the dosAge of all those proteINs
 see up to around 750nm or  so (NIR)withawf ulqu antu m ef ficiency. Pitv iper s and some fish have l imite dp erce p ti on of 
IR, bu t  I ' m  no taw are  o f  a ny an ima ls that  can see I R i nthe conventi o na l
sense… b ein g warm blood edpresen ts  ar eal p rob lem,for on e .

Pla inly, the re are li m its tow h at  can  be achieved in h y pe r spectral imagi ng due 
t o  m a t eri als , and that 's  with o ut thec on s t r ain t s of biologythrown in t h e m ix.

~ ~~ 
nl _Utter  popp yc o ck. _

That see ms.. . strong,  espec i ally if referri ng tothe  "N ight vi si ongl a sse s  n o
l o nge r needed  f or  enha nced s o l dier s"bit. 

 _T hey eventuall y f ormu l ate  a ch lorin  e6so lutio n forhuman  u se. A few drops 
are  drippedint oLic in a’s e y es, an d t hey  had hi m lookf orpe o p l ehidden among
trees  a s we ll as sy mbolso nob j ects indi m l ight . Licin a se e me d to per form a lo tbetterth an the  f our  ot her p e ople  who d id not g et ey e drops._

[http : //gizmodo.com / th e - re a l-sc ien ce-behind-t he-c r azy- 
nig h t- v.. . ](htt p://g iz m od o .com/the-real-scien ce -behin d-the -crazy-night- vision-
ey e d r ops-1694 9553 4 7) 
~~~
OopsCriti calit y
My frust r ation wa s mor e direct ed toward s the UV-V is- NIR  pa rt( a nd  I read night v isio nas ther mal  IR, bu t w hokno ws) ,but I wou ldn't sa yth at  y our  link e d
articl eisso met hingo f subs tance . To  q uo t e t he arti c le , quot in gtheexp er iment er/e e , " In Lici na’s ownwor d s: ' Le t’ s be fa ir here. It’s  k ind of
cra psci ence.' " 
I would n't even know where tob egin in  cr itici zing  their st udy  as di sse m inated 
on th eir w eb sit e excep t to  sa yit is comp l e tel y uns ci enti fic. Th ere are no
properc ont rols, for one . I  thi n k  i t's wh o lly  i r res p o nsible of the p ress to
re po r ton this wo r k i nthis fa shion a t suc h  a prem ature sta ge. I res pe ct t h e 
en thusiasm o f the ci tizen sci e nce c r ow d and  th ink it 's  aneatidea,b utstuff 
liketh is isgoing  t o quickl y earn it a very bad re putati on.
--- ---
dspey erF irs t thought :

T he _usual_  pa tte rn is  th a t onl y on e  X  ch r omoso me g e ts transc r ib edi n  a ny
given ce l l . [1]  This  ke e ps the  dos age of all thosep roteins
 see_up to_around 750nm or so_(NIR) with
awful_quantum_efficiency. Pit_vipers_and some fish_have limited perception_of
IR, but I'm not_aware of any_animals_that can see IR in the conventional
sense… being warm blooded presents a real problem,_for_one.

Plainly, there_are_limits_to what can be achieved_in hyperspectral imaging due
to materials,_and that's_without the constraints of biology thrown in the_mix.

~~~
nl
_Utter_poppycock._

That seems... strong,_especially if referring to the "Night vision glasses no
longer_needed for enhanced soldiers" bit.

 _They_eventually formulate a_chlorin_e6_solution for human use._A few drops
are dripped into Licina’s_eyes, and they had him look_for people hidden among
trees as well as_symbols on objects in dim light._Licina seemed to perform a
lot_better than_the four other people who_did not get_eyedrops._

[http://gizmodo.com/the-real-science-behind-the-crazy-
night-v...](http://gizmodo.com/the-real-science-behind-the-crazy-night-vision-
eyedrops-1694955347)

~~~
OopsCriticality
My frustration_was more directed_towards the UV-Vis-NIR part (and I_read night
vision as_thermal IR, but who knows), but_I_wouldn't say that_your_linked
article_is something_of substance. To_quote_the article,_quoting_the
experimenter/ee, "In Licina’s own words: 'Let’s_be_fair here. It’s kind of
crap science.'"

I wouldn't_even know where to_begin_in criticizing their study_as disseminated
on their website except_to say it is completely unscientific._There are_no
proper controls,_for one. I think it's wholly irresponsible of the press to
report_on this work in this fashion_at such a premature_stage. I_respect_the
enthusiasm of the_citizen_science crowd_and think it's a neat idea, but_stuff
like this_is going to quickly earn it_a very bad reputation.

------
dspeyer
First_thought:

The__usual_ pattern is that only one_X chromosome gets transcribed in any
given_cell.[1] This keeps the dosage_of_all_those proteins