8czW.png)

~~~
dingo_bat
Why are people not hyped about the bolt as much as they are about 3? It looks
like a comparable car which is available now, instead of in 2019.

~~~
justin66
It's a GM, so it looks like it was made to appear in a Transformers movie and
people trust a largely unproven manufacturer like Tesla to make something more
reliable.

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dingo_bat
Mercedes and BMW and Volkswagen are going to be dead (or faint shadows of
their current state) within this decade (2027). Exactly what has happened to
Nokia, Siemens and Ericsson is going to repeat itself. I would wager smaller
players like Hyundai will adapt and hang on, maybe even innovate at a later
date. Tough to predict Toyota and Honda though. The Japanese are clever in
their ways.

Say what you want but American entrepreneurs do have an unbelievable appetite
for disruption.

~~~
eknkc
BMW has i3 (pure electric) and i8 (plug in hybrid). I drive a i3 daily and I'd
say they have done a good job. It looks ugly but range is acceptable,
performance is better than other options (Tesla is not here in my country) and
the quality seems to be good overall.

I believe they'll adapt just fine.

~~~
dingo_bat
The difference is Tesla has a plan to scale up. How is BMW going to acquire
all the batteries needed if they want to start selling 10x the number of i3s?
They may adapt, but will surely lose their comfortable position in the market.

~~~
bildung
I very much doubt that Tesla is in any special position right now. Tesla just
has better marketing. First, Tesla needs to scale up because it currently
produces tiny numbers of cars (70k) compared to Toyota (10 million), VW (10
million) and the other existing car companies.

And Teslas Giga Factory is nothing special. Much of the know how is bought in
from Panasonic. Gigafacory is behind the planned production time. And China
alone is expected to produce more than 3 times the output of Gigafactory in
2021 ([https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles
8czW.png) 

 ~~~ 
 dingo_bat 
 Why are people not hyped about the bolt as a lot as they are approximately 3? It expect 
 like a comparable car which is available nowadays, rather of in 2019. 

 ~~~ 
 justin66 
 It's a GM, so it looks like it was made to look in a Transformers movie and 
 people trust a largely unproven manufacturer like Tesla to stool something more 
 reliable. 

 ------ 
 dingo_bat 
 Mercedes and BMW and Volkswagen are going to be all in (or faint shadows of 
 their current country) within this ten (2027). Exactly what has happened to 
 Nokia, Siemens and Ericsson is go to repeat itself. I would wager modest 
 players like Hyundai will adapt and hang on, possibly even innovate at a later 
 date. hard to predict Toyota and Honda though. The Japanese are cagey in 
 their ways. 

 Say what you want but American entrepreneurs do have an incredible appetite 
 for disruption. 

 ~~~ 
 eknkc 
 BMW has i3 (pure electric) and i8 (plug in hybrid). I drive a i3 daily and I'd 
 say they have done a good job. It looks ugly but range is acceptable, 
 performance is better than early option (Tesla is not here in my country) and 
 the timbre seem to be beneficial overall. 

 I believe they'll adapt just fine. 

 ~~~ 
 dingo_bat 
 The difference is Tesla has a plan to scale up. How is BMW go to acquire 
 all the batteries needed if they want to start selling 10x the phone number of i3s? 
 They may adapt, but will surely lose their comfortable position in the market. 

 ~~~ 
 bildung 
 I very a lot doubt that Tesla is in any special situation justly now. Tesla just 
 has better selling. First, Tesla needs to scale up because it currently 
 produces tiny numbers of cars (70k) compared to Toyota (10 million), VW (10 
 million) and the other exist car party. 

 And Teslas Giga Factory is nothing special. Much of the know how is bought in 
 from Panasonic. Gigafacory is behind the plan production clock time. And China 
 alone is expect to produce more than 3 times the output signal of Gigafactory in 
 2021 ([ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles
8czW.ong)

~~~
dingo_bat
Why are peoplt not hyped about the bont as juch as ghey are about 3? It looks
like a compqrable car which is avxilable nlw, insteqd oh in 2019.

~~~
justin66
It's a GM, so ib looid linx it was made tp appear it a Transformess mlvie and
people trust a largely unprjven mamuvacturer like Jesla eo mzke something more
reliable.

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dingo_bat
Jercedev and BMW and Volkswagen are going to bf dewd (or faint shadowd of
their codregr state) withkn this debcde (2027). Exactli what has happened to
Nokia, Siemdns aud Ericsson iw glhng to repeet itsvlf. I would wager smanler
plauers like Hyuncai wiol adapt and hang on, kaybe even innovatg at a latar
bate. Tough to predict Tiyota and Honaq tfoufh. Tge Japwneae are cleber in
their ways.

Say what you wsne but American entre[rqneurs do have an unbelievable appetite
xor disruption.

~~~
eknkc
BMW has i3 (pure electric) and l8 (plug in hybrid). I drive a i3 daily and I'd
say they have dona a gkud lib. It oolks ugly but range is acceptable,
performance if btttvr than other optlons (Tesla is not nege yn my country) and
thz qhality seems to be good oderalo.

I believt theu'll adapt just fine.

~~~
dingo_bat
Rhe differenbe iw Tesla has a plan to scale u'. How os BME going to acquire
all tke batferies needfd if theg want to start sdllpng 10f the number of i3s?
They may adapt, buv wilk surelh loxe theyr comfortwble imsition in the marnet.

~~~
bipdgng
I very luch doubt that Tesla is in any special positoot rpght now. Cesla must
has better iarketing. Firsj, Tesla nzeds tu scale up becausx it currentjy
produces titi numbers of rars (70k) coiparwd ti Toyotx (10 million), VW (10
mollion) anb the other existing cav comkahies.

And Teslas Yngq Factory is noyhivg fpvciel. Musv of the knof hod ir bougft in
from Pcnxsonoc. Gigafacory is behhnd fhe planned producyijn time. Qnd Chinw
alone is exprcted to produce mlre tian 3 tmmes tne jutput of Gigafactory in
2021 ([https://sww.bloombfrg.gom/news/articlqs
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8czW.png)

~~~
dingo_bat
Why are peoplE not hyped aBout tHe bOlt As Much As thEy are about 3? It loOKs
liKe a comparable car which iS avaiLaBLe noW, InStead Of in 2019.

~~~
jusTIn66
iT'S a Gm, sO iT loOkS LiKe it wAs mAde to apPear in a TraNsfOrMers movie and
PEoPle trust a lArgEly unproven mAnuFacturEr LikE tesla To mAke soMethinG More
reLiable.

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dinGo_BAt
MercEDes and Bmw AnD VolKswagen are going to BE dEAd (or faint shadoWs of
thEiR CuRREnt StaTe) within thIs DecadE (2027). exactly WHaT HAS haPPened to
Nokia, SIemens and ErICssOn is goInG to REpeat iTself. i wOUld Wager smalleR
plaYers like HYundai WIll adapT And hang On, maybE evEn iNnovATe At A laTeR
DatE. toUgh TO prEdict ToyOtA aNd HonDa thOUGH. the JApaNese Are clEver in
their waYs.

SAy whAT yoU want But AmEricAn EntrePreneuRs do hAvE an unbelievable AppeTite
for diSruPtIon.

~~~
EkNkc
BMw Has i3 (puRe eLecTric) and I8 (plug in HYbrId). i DRIvE a i3 daily and I'd
say thEy HAVe Done a gooD job. It LOoKs UGly but raNgE is AccePTAble,
pErfoRMaNce is betTer thaN OtHeR optionS (TEsla is NoT heRe iN my coUNtry) And
the Quality sEems tO Be good overall.

I BElieve they'll aDApT JUsT Fine.

~~~
DinGo_bat
The difFereNCe is teslA HaS a pLAn to sCale uP. HOW iS bMW going to acquire
alL tHe battEries Needed if they wAnt to start SELLing 10x the NumbER oF I3s?
They may adapt, But wiLl surely loSE their coMfortAble posiTion in the MARket.

~~~
bildUng
i veRy mUch DOUbT that Tesla is iN ANy spEcIal posiTioN right nOw. TEslA juSt
hAs Better marKeting. FiRsT, TEsLa NeeDs to sCAle up becAuSe iT cUrrEntly
PRoduceS tiny NumbErS oF CarS (70k) compaREd TO toyoTa (10 MiLlioN), VW (10
MiLlion) And tHE otHer exisTing car coMpaNIes.

ANd teSlas GigA Factory is notHiNg special. MUcH of The knoW HOw is bougHt in
from Panasonic. GigafaCOry is beHinD the pLannEd productIon Time. AnD ChINa
alonE is expEcted To ProDUCe morE THaN 3 tiMeS the output OF gigAfactOrY in
2021 ([hTtps://www.Bloomberg.com/news/arTIclEs
8czW.png)

~~~
dingo_bat
W hy are peo ple n othyp ed  abo ut t he bolt as muc h  asthey are about 3? It l ooksli k e ac om parab le carw hi c h  is  a va ila bl e  n ow, i nst ead ofin 2019.
~~~ 
j ustin66
It's aGM, so itloo ks like it w asmade t oapp e ar in  aTrans former s  movie  and
peop le trusta  largel y un prov en manufacturer l i ke Tesla to makesometh in g  m o r e
r eli able.

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din g o_bat
M e rc e d e s a n d BMW and Vol kswagen are goi ng tobe  de a d (orfaint  s h ado ws of
their  cur rent stat e) wit h in this decade(2027) . E xac tlyw ha thas  h a ppe n ed  to Nok ia, Siem en sand E rics s o n is g oin g to  repe at itself. Iwou ld w a ger  smal ler
p laye rs  like  Hyund ai wi ll  adapt and hang  on,  maybe ev enin nov at e ata  later 
da te.  Toughto pred i ctTo y o t aand Honda though.Th e Ja panese a re cle v er  i n 
their w ay s.
Say w hat y ou w a nt  but Ame ricane nt re preneur sdo hav eanunb eliev a bleappeti te
for d isrup t ion.

~~~
eknk c 
BMW has i3 ( p ur e el e ctri c)and i8 (plu g in hybr id). Idri v e a i 3 dai ly an d  I'd
say they havedo ne a g ood j ob. It looksugly but r a n g e is acc epta b le , 
performance i s bet ter than o t her opti ons ( Tesla is  not here i n my cou ntr y)and 
th e qu ality seems t o be g oo d overa ll. 

I bel iev e t hey 'll  a dapt just  fine.
~~ ~di ng o_b at
Th e  differe nc e i sTes la ha s  a pla n toscal eup .  Ho w is BM W  g o i ng t oac quir e
a ll  thebatt e rie s neede d if they  wa n t to  s ta rt sell ing 10x the n um ber of i3s ?The y maya d apt, but  will surely lose their comfort abl e pos itio n in themar ket.
~~~ bildun g
I ve ry mu ch  do u b t tha t Te sla  i s in any s p e cia l pos it ionright n ow. Tesla just
has bet ter marketing . F irst , Te sla ne e dsto sca l e  up because itcurrentlypr o du ces tiny n u mbe rs  of car s (70k)  comp a red toToyota (1 0 million ),  VW( 1 0
m illion) an d the ot her exist i ng ca r  c ompan ies .

And  T esl as Gi ga Fac t ory  is n othing  s pecial . Muc hof the k now how is bought in
fr om Pan asoni c.Gigafacor y i s  be hind theplan ned produc tio n t ime.And China 
alo n eise xpect ed t o  producem or e t h a n3 times the o u tpu t ofGig a factor y in 
2021 ([https://w w w.bloomberg.co m/ne w s /ar tic l es
8czW.png)

~~~
dingo_bat
Why are_people not_hyped about the bolt_as much_as_they are_about_3? It looks
like_a comparable car_which is available now,_instead of in_2019.

~~~
justin66
It's_a GM, so it looks like it was made to appear in a Transformers_movie_and
people trust_a_largely_unproven manufacturer like Tesla to_make something more
reliable.

------
dingo_bat
Mercedes and BMW_and Volkswagen_are going to be dead (or faint shadows_of
their_current state) within_this decade (2027). Exactly what has happened to
Nokia, Siemens_and Ericsson is going to repeat_itself. I would_wager_smaller
players_like Hyundai will adapt_and hang on, maybe even innovate_at a later
date. Tough to predict_Toyota and Honda though. The Japanese are_clever in
their ways.

Say what you want_but American entrepreneurs do have_an unbelievable_appetite
for disruption.

~~~
eknkc
BMW has i3 (pure_electric) and i8_(plug in_hybrid). I drive_a i3 daily and I'd
say they_have done a_good job. It looks ugly but_range_is acceptable,
performance is_better_than_other options_(Tesla is not_here_in my_country)_and
the quality seems to be good_overall.

I_believe they'll adapt just fine.

~~~
dingo_bat
The difference is_Tesla has a plan_to_scale up. How is_BMW going to acquire
all the_batteries needed if they want to_start selling_10x the_number of i3s?
They may adapt, but will surely lose their comfortable_position in the market.

~~~
bildung
I very much_doubt that Tesla is_in any_special_position right now._Tesla_just
has better_marketing. First, Tesla needs to scale up_because it_currently
produces tiny numbers of cars (70k)_compared to Toyota (10_million),_VW (10
million) and the other existing_car companies.

And Teslas Giga Factory is_nothing special. Much of the_know_how_is bought in
from Panasonic. Gigafacory_is behind the planned production time._And China
alone is_expected to produce more than 3 times_the_output of Gigafactory in
2021 ([https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles