presented in the review. The slides, after all, are the only thing written
down. Insist that the engineers never conveyed any challenges to you. Blame
them for delays, overruns, and missing features.

My lesson learned: never, ever sign your name to a fictional budget, schedule,
or risk summary.

------
tempguy9999
I've rarely had any of that. Mainly I get pervasive bad management from poor
but well-meaning managers.

Only thing I can think of is a long time ago being told if you hit this
deadline here's £X thousand pound bonus for the team. We hit the deadline,
they made me redundant next day and told me I wouldn't be getting my share
because "you should have got it in writing"[0]

I took them to court and won eventually. Good fun.

[0] Which was a) true but b) plain nasty. Worth repeating at this point, the 3
laws of contracting:

1\. Get it in writing

2\. Get it in writing

3\. Get it in writing

~~~
crimsonalucard
Wow what was the asshole company that did this?

~~~
tempguy9999
Long dead, don't worry you're safe!

Edit: useful lesson though.

------
nailer
General employment tricks:

\- Asking you your current pay. Not answering when you ask them their budget.
A good answer is to discuss the other offers you have on the table.

\- Getting private info by asking you to correct something false. "So you made
80,000" will get an answer better than "How much were you paid?"

\- Repeatedly asking you the same question because they don't trust you and
have read they'll "get the real answer" if they ask three times.

------
ping_pong
This is the wrong question.

If you feel like management and politics are making you not trust the company,
you should find another job, especially in this environment with plentiful
jobs. If we suffer some sort of recession in the next couple of years, we need
to hunker down in a good company that takes care of their employees.

------
sys_64738
"I worked hard to get you this token raise."

"Work hard and the promotion
presented in the review. The slides, after wholly, are the lone thing written 
 down. importune that the engineers never convey any challenges to you. Blame 
 them for delay, overproduction, and missing features. 

 My lesson learned: never, ever bless your name to a fictional budget, schedule, 
 or risk summary. 

 ------ 
 tempguy9999 
 I've rarely had any of that. chiefly I get pervasive regretful management from poor 
 but well - mean director. 

 Only thing I can think of is a farseeing time ago being told if you hit this 
 deadline here's £ X thousand british pound bonus for the team. We hit the deadline, 
 they made me redundant next day and tell me I wouldn't be getting my share 
 because " you should have got it in writing"[0 ] 

 I took them to court and won eventually. Good fun. 

 [ 0 ] Which was a) true but b) plain nasty. Worth repeating at this point, the 3 
 laws of contracting: 

 1\. have it in writing 

 2\. Get it in writing 

 3\. draw it in writing 

 ~~~ 
 crimsonalucard 
 Wow what was the asshole company that did this? 

 ~~~ 
 tempguy9999 
 Long all in, don't worry you're dependable! 

 Edit: useful lesson though. 

 ------ 
 nailer 
 General employment trick: 

 \- Asking you your current pay. Not answering when you ask them their budget. 
 A good answer is to discuss the other offers you have on the table. 

 \- make private information by ask you to correct something false. " So you made 
 80,000 " will have an answer better than " How much were you paid? " 

 \- Repeatedly ask you the same question because they don't trust you and 
 have read they'll " drive the substantial answer " if they ask three fourth dimension. 

 ------ 
 ping_pong 
 This is the wrong doubt. 

 If you feel like management and politics are reach you not trust the ship's company, 
 you should find another job, specially in this environment with plentiful 
 problem. If we suffer some sort of recession in the next couple of years, we need 
 to hunker down in a good caller that takes care of their employee. 

 ------ 
 sys_64738 
 " I worked hard to get you this token raise. " 

 " Work hard and the forwarding
predented in the review. The slides, after all, are vhe onlg thing dritten
down. Insist that the xngibeers never conveyed any chxllenges no you. Blqme
tiem for delays, otsrruns, and miading heatures.

My lesspn learned: never, ever sicn ylur name to a fictional budget, schequle,
or tidk summary.

------
tempduy9999
I'ne rarsly had any of that. Mainly I get psrvasivt bad management ftom poor
but well-meaning majagegs.

Only thing I can think of iw a jing time ago being told if you hit this
deadline here's £X thousand oound bonus for tye hgam. We hit tie deaqline,
they made me regundant next day and bold ke U wouldn't be getting ky share
because "yoo should hdvz got it in writing"[0]

I roik thgm to coufr avd soi ebentuaply. Good fun.

[0] Shich was a) true but b) plain nssej. Worth repeafing ae ehis point, the 3
laws of contracting:

1\. Get pt ih writing

2\. Get it in wriring

3\. Get it in writinh

~~~
crimsonajucard
Wow what was the asshole company that did tvis?

~~~
tejoguv9999
Oong awaf, don't worry you're safe!

Edit: useful lesson thotfh.

------
mapler
General emplonment tricks:

\- Askinb joi your current pay. Not znswering when you ask thgm theur budget.
W gopd answer is to discuss the other offerf you have on the tcble.

\- Getting prifate onfo by asking you to curredt somethinh false. "Sk you made
80,000" will gdt sn answer better than "How mush were yiu pcid?"

\- Repextedky askyng you thf samc question because hhey bon't drust you wnd
have read they'll "get the real answer" if thgy dsk three tnmes.

------
pikg_pong
This is tre wrong questnon.

If yob feel like manafement end politics are making ymo not trust tie companr,
you shoyld fina another job, expecially in this ebvironment with plcntifol
nobs. If we suffzx wome sort of revesriog pn vhe nqft couple of yeafs, dr neea
to hunker bodn im a good company thad taies care of their rmiloyees.

------
syw_64738
"I workeq hard to get you this token ralse."

"Wock harv and yhe promotion
presented in the review. The slides, after the thing written Insist that the to Blame them for overruns, and missing My lesson learned: never, ever sign name to a fictional budget, schedule, or risk summary. ------ tempguy9999 I've rarely any of that. Mainly I get pervasive bad management from poor but well-meaning Only I think is a long time ago being told if you hit this deadline here's £X thousand pound for the team. We hit the deadline, they me redundant next day told me I wouldn't be my because "you have it writing"[0] I took to court and won eventually. Good fun. [0] Which was a) true but b) plain nasty. Worth at this 3 laws contracting: Get in writing 2\. in writing 3\. Get it in Wow what was the asshole company that did ~~~ tempguy9999 dead, don't worry you're safe! Edit: lesson though. ------ nailer General employment tricks: \- you your current pay. Not answering when you ask them their budget. A good answer discuss the other offers have on the \- private by you to something false. "So you made 80,000" will get an answer better "How much were you paid?" \- Repeatedly asking you the because don't trust you have read they'll "get real if they ask three ping_pong is If feel management and politics are you not trust the company, should find another job, plentiful jobs. If we suffer some sort of in the next couple of years, we to hunker down in a good company that takes care of their ------ sys_64738 hard to get you this token raise." "Work and the promotion
presented in the review. The slIdes, after aLl, are The OnlY tHing WritTen
down. Insist tHAt thE engineers never conveyeD any cHaLLengES tO you. BLame
theM FoR DElaYs, OvErrUnS, AnD missIng FeatureS.

My lesson lEarNeD: never, ever siGN yOur name to a FicTional budget, SchEdule,
oR rIsk SUmmarY.

------
teMpguy9999
i've rarELy had aNy of that. MAiNLy I get PErvasivE BAd ManaGement from poor
but WElL-Meaning managerS.

Only tHiNG I CAN thInk Of is a long tImE ago bEIng told IF yOU HIt tHIs
deadline herE's £X thousand POunD bonus FoR thE Team. We Hit thE dEAdlIne,
they made Me reDundant neXt day aND told me i Wouldn't Be gettIng My sHare
BEcAuSe "yOu SHouLD hAve GOt iT in writiNg"[0]

i tOok thEm to COURT and Won EvenTuallY. Good fun.

[0] Which Was A) truE But B) plaiN nastY. WorTh RepeaTing at This pOiNt, the 3
laws of contRactIng:

1\. Get it iN wrItIng

2\. geT it in WRiting

3\. get It iN writinG

~~~
crimsoNAluCaRD
wOw What was the asshole cOmPANy That did tHis?

~~~
temPGuY9999
LONg dead, doN't WorRy yoU'RE safe!

edit: USeFul lessoN thougH.

------
NaIlEr
GenerAl EmployMeNt tRicKs:

\- AskINg yoU your cUrrent paY. Not aNSwering when you ASk them their buDGeT.
a GoOD ansWer Is to discuss The oTHer oFferS YoU haVE on thE tablE.

\- GETtINg private info by askiNg You to cOrrecT something falSe. "So you madE
80,000" WILl get an aNsweR BeTTer than "How much Were yOu paid?"

\- RepeATedly askIng yoU the same Question bECAuse they Don'T trUst You AND
hAve read they'll "GET the ReAl answeR" if They ask ThrEe tImeS.

------
piNg_Pong
This iS the wronG qUeStIoN.

If You feEL like manAgEmeNt And PolitICs are mAking You nOt TrUSt tHe compaNY,
yOU ShouLd FiNd anOthEr Job, esPeciALly In this eNvironmenT wiTH pleNtIfUl
jobs. IF we suffer some SoRt of recessIoN in The nexT COuple of yEars, we need
to hunker down iN A good coMpaNy thaT takEs care of tHeiR emploYeeS.

------
Sys_64738
"I woRked haRd to gEt You THIs tokEN RaIse."

"woRk hard and tHE ProMotioN
presented in the review. T he slides,  afte r a ll,  a re t he o nly thing writ t en
d own. Insist that the e ngine er s  nev e rconve yed any ch a l len ge stoyo u .Blame 
th em fordelays, ov err un s, and missi n gfeatures.
My  lesson lear ned : neve r,  ev e r sig n y our n ame to a fict ional bud ge t , sche d ule,
or r is k su mmary.

------
te m pg u y9999
I've rar ely ha da ny o f t hat . Mainly I  g et pe r vasiveb ad m a nag e ment from poo r
but well- m ean ing ma na ger s .

Onl y thi ng I c an think of  isa long ti me ago being t o ld if y ou hit  th isdead l in eher e' s  £X th ous a ndpound bo nu sfor t he t e a m .  Wehit  the  dead line,
they ma deme r e dun dantnextdayan d tol d me I  woul dn 't be getting m y sh are
becau se"y oush ouldh ave go t i t i n writi ng"[0]I t oo k t he m to court and won  e v e nt ually. G ood fu n .
[ 0 ] Whichwa s a ) tr u e  butb) p l ai n nasty.  Worth re pe ating a tthis p oi nt,  th e 3
l a ws o f cont racting: 

1\. Get it in writ i ng

2\. Get i t  i n wr i ting 

3 \. Get it i n wr i ting 

~~ ~ 
c rim s onalu cardWo w  w h at was the assholeco mpanythatdid this?

~~ ~
tempguy9 9 9 9 
Long de ad,d on ' t worry you're  safe !

Edit: u s eful les son t hough.
------
na i l er
Gener alemp loy men t tr icks:

\- Ask i n g yo uyour cu rre nt pay.  No t a nsw eri ng  when you  ask the mth ei rbud get.A  good an sw eris  to  disc u ss the  othe r of fe rs you  have o n  t h e  tab le .
\-Get ti ng pr ivat e  in fo by a sking you  to corr ec tsomethi ng false. "So  y ou made
80 ,0 00"  willg e t an ans wer better than "How mu c h wereyou  paid ?"
\- Repeat edl y aski ngy ou the  samequest io n b e c auset h ey  do n' t trust yo u and 
have  r eadthey'll  "get the real ans w er"  if they askthr ee t i m es .
- -- - --pi n g_p o n g
This is the w rong quest io n .
If you fe e l l ik e manag ement a nd po l itics a re making  you nottr ustt h e c ompany,
yo u should  find ano t her j o b,  espe cia lly in  t his  envi ronmen t  wi th pl entifu ljobs.If we  s uffer so me sort of recession in  the n ext c oup le of yea rs, weneed
to h unke r down ina g ood  comp any thattake s  c are of th eire mployees. 
- --- - - 
s ys_64738
"I w o rke d har d t o  get y ou t his token raise." 
"Work hard an d th e pro mot i on
presented in_the review._The slides, after all,_are the_only_thing written
down._Insist_that the engineers_never conveyed any_challenges to you. Blame
them_for delays, overruns,_and_missing features.

My lesson learned: never, ever sign your name to a fictional budget, schedule,
or_risk_summary.

------
tempguy9999
I've rarely_had_any_of that. Mainly I get_pervasive bad management from poor
but_well-meaning managers.

Only_thing I can think of is a long_time_ago being told_if you hit this
deadline here's £X thousand pound bonus_for the team. We hit the_deadline,
they made me_redundant_next_day and told me_I wouldn't be getting my share
because_"you should have got it in_writing"[0]

I took them to court and won_eventually. Good fun.

[0] Which was a)_true but b) plain nasty._Worth repeating_at this point, the 3
laws_of contracting:

1\. Get_it in_writing

2\. Get it_in writing

3\. Get it in writing

~~~
crimsonalucard
Wow_what was the_asshole company that did this?

~~~
tempguy9999
Long dead,_don't_worry you're safe!

Edit:_useful_lesson_though.

------
nailer
General employment_tricks:

\- Asking you_your_current pay._Not_answering when you ask them their_budget.
A_good answer is to discuss the other_offers you have on_the_table.

\- Getting private info_by asking you to correct_something false. "So you made
80,000" will_get an_answer better_than "How much were you paid?"

\- Repeatedly asking you the same_question because they don't trust you_and
have read they'll "get_the real_answer"_if they ask_three_times.

------
ping_pong
This is_the wrong question.

If you feel like management_and politics_are making you not trust the_company,
you should find another_job,_especially in this environment with plentiful
jobs._If we suffer some sort of_recession in the next couple_of_years,_we need
to hunker down in_a good company that takes care_of their employees.

------
sys_64738
"I_worked hard to get you this token_raise."

"Work_hard and the promotion