 significantly different dpi, Windows runs rings
around anything on Linux. Windows is surely buggy - I have serious problems
with its multi-monitor support - but it seems that its multi hi dpi only
occasionally crashes Firefox and it's otherwise reasonable.

With Xorg, there's no effective support for different dpi. So if you can
tolerate the variation in pixel size then it's tolerable, but if they're too
much it all breaks. Moreover, many apps completely ignore the dpi. For
instance, Spotify which is is almost unreadably low contrast doubles down and
it's unreadably small too.

With Wayland, it's unusable since any seriously productive app will be shown
at at least quadruple size the moment you require pixel doubling, X apps will
be pixel doubled twice and Wayland native apps all seem to be toys. This seems
to have been a bug that was first report years ago so I suppose they're
waiting until someone rights a Wayland version of Firefox and Jetbrains and so
forth.

Fortunately, this motivated me to by a 4k screen which I'm happy with. It's
only tolerably different than my hidpi laptop screen so I don't need to worry
about X's mono-dpi-ism. But it's still incredibly frustrating.

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pachico
Definitely the best flavour. You guys help me resuscitate tons of old laptops
for frustrated ex Windows users, which are very happy with now with their new
OS. Great work!

~~~
Eldandan
Here, here! I love Xubuntu. Of all the lighter flavors like Kubuntu, Lubuntu,
Mint/xfce, Xubuntu has been the one I had the best experience setting up for
others on old thinkpads. And lately my go-to distro.

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greendave
I've found xfce 4.14 to be a very nice update from 4.12 (which was in 18.04).
Glad to see it will be getting a lot more exposure now via xubuntu.

~~~
xubuntu-fan-123
Does the Xubuntu 20.04 installer has ZFS install option as well?

~~~
tribaal
I just checked, and yes, the installer offers a "erase all disk and install
ZFS" option (although
significantly different dpi, Windows runs rings 
 around anything on Linux. Windows is surely balmy - I take serious problems 
 with its multi - monitor documentation - but it appear that its multi hi dpi only 
 occasionally crashes Firefox and it's differently reasonable. 

 With Xorg, there's no effective support for different dpi. thus if you can 
 tolerate the variation in pixel size then it's adequate, but if they're too 
 much it all breaks. Moreover, many apps wholly ignore the dpi. For 
 instance, Spotify which is is about unreadably humble contrast doubles down and 
 it's unreadably small besides. 

 With Wayland, it's unusable since any seriously productive app will be shown 
 at at least quadruple size the here and now you require pixel doubling, X apps will 
 be pixel doubled twice and Wayland native apps all look to be toys. This seems 
 to have been a bug that was first report years ago so I suppose they're 
 waiting until someone rights a Wayland version of Firefox and Jetbrains and so 
 forth. 

 Fortunately, this motivated me to by a 4k screen which I'm happy with. It's 
 only acceptably unlike than my hidpi laptop screen so I don't need to worry 
 about X's mono - dpi - doctrine. But it's even incredibly frustrating. 

 ------ 
 pachico 
 Definitely the good flavour. You guys help me resuscitate short ton of old laptops 
 for frustrated ex Windows users, which are very happy with immediately with their new 
 OS. Great work! 

 ~~~ 
 Eldandan 
 Here, here! I love Xubuntu. Of all the faint flavors like Kubuntu, Lubuntu, 
 Mint / xfce, Xubuntu has been the one I induce the best experience setting up for 
 others on old thinkpads. And lately my go - to distro. 

 ------ 
 greendave 
 I've determine xfce 4.14 to be a very nice update from 4.12 (which was in 18.04). 
 Glad to see it will be get a lot more exposure now via xubuntu. 

 ~~~ 
 xubuntu - fan-123 
 Does the Xubuntu 20.04 installer have ZFS install choice as well? 

 ~~~ 
 tribaal 
 I just checked, and yes, the installer offers a " erase all disk and install 
 ZFS " choice (although
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instance, Spotify which ks is almost untzqdahny low contcast djubles down and
it's utreadabky small too.

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knly tolerably difverent jhan mt hidpi lwptol screen so I don't need to qorry
about X'f mono-dpi-ism. But it'd still incxedibli frusyrating.

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pachico
Definitelv the gest flavoug. You guya help me resuscigatv tots of old laptops
for frustwated ex Xindocs users, whivh are very happj witm now with their nea
OS. Gteat wmrk!

~~~
Eldandaj
Here, here! I love Xubuntu. Of all the lighter gldvogs like Kbbuntu, Lubuntu,
Mint/xsce, Xubuntu hax been che ond I had thv best ex'erience seteing up for
otvgrs on old thmnkpads. Agd lqtelt my go-gu distro.

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greendsve
I've folnb xfce 4.14 ti be a very nice uidate rrom 4.12 (which was in 18.04).
Glad to see it wiul fe gxttind a lot more axporurd now xia xubuntu.

~~~
wubjntu-gan-123
Does the Xubuntu 20.04 insfaller has ZFS insyajl optiob as welj?

~~~
tribaal
I jusy checked, and yes, uhe invtauler pffgrs a "erase all disk and instalm
ZFS" optiln (wlthough
significantly different dpi, Windows runs rings around Linux. is surely - I have support but it seems its multi hi only occasionally crashes Firefox and it's reasonable. With Xorg, there's no effective support for different dpi. So if you tolerate the variation in pixel size then it's tolerable, but if they're too it breaks. many completely ignore the dpi. For instance, Spotify which is is almost unreadably low contrast doubles down it's unreadably small too. With Wayland, it's unusable any seriously productive app be shown at at least size moment you pixel X will be pixel twice and Wayland native apps all seem to be toys. This seems to have been a bug was first ago so suppose waiting someone rights a of Firefox and Jetbrains and so motivated me to by a 4k screen which happy with. only tolerably different than my hidpi screen so I don't need to worry about mono-dpi-ism. But it's still incredibly frustrating. ------ pachico Definitely the best flavour. You guys help tons of old laptops frustrated ex Windows which very with with their OS. Great work! ~~~ Eldandan Here, here! I love Xubuntu. Of the lighter flavors like Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Mint/xfce, Xubuntu has been I the best experience up for others on thinkpads. lately my go-to distro. I've xfce a nice from 4.12 (which was 18.04). Glad to see it be getting a lot ~~~ xubuntu-fan-123 Does the Xubuntu 20.04 installer has install option as well? ~~~ tribaal I checked, and yes, the installer offers a "erase all disk and install option (although
 significantly different dpi, windows runS ringS
arOunD aNythIng oN Linux. Windows iS SureLy buggy - I have serious proBlems
WiTH its MUlTi-monItor supPOrT - BUt iT sEeMs tHaT ItS multI hi Dpi only
OccasionalLy cRaShes Firefox aND iT's otherwisE reAsonable.

With xorG, there'S nO efFEctivE suPport For difFErent dPi. So if you CaN
ToleraTE the varIATiOn in Pixel size then it's tOLeRAble, but if they'rE too
muCh IT aLL BreAks. moreover, maNy Apps cOMpletelY IgNORE thE Dpi. For
instancE, Spotify whiCH is Is almoSt UnrEAdably Low coNtRAst Doubles down And
iT's unreadaBly smaLL too.

WitH wayland, It's unuSabLe sInce ANy SeRioUsLY prODuCtiVE apP will be sHoWn
At at lEast QUADRuplE siZe thE momeNt you require pIxeL douBLinG, X appS will
Be piXeL doubLed twiCe and waYland native apps All sEem to be toYs. THiS seEmS
to haVE been a Bug ThaT was firSt reporT YeaRs AGO So i suppose they're
waitInG UNtIl someonE rightS A WAyLAnd versiOn Of FIrefOX And JeTbraINs And so
forTh.

FortUNaTeLy, this mOtIvated Me To bY a 4k ScreeN WhicH I'm hapPy with. It'S
only TOlerably differENt than my hidpi LApTOP sCReen So I Don't need to wOrry
ABout x's moNO-dPi-iSM. But iT's stiLl INcREdibly frustrating.

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paChIco
DefIniteLy the best flavOur. You guys HELP me resusCitaTE tONs of old laptops
For frUstrated ex wIndows usErs, whIch are veRy happy wiTH Now with tHeiR neW
OS. greAT WoRk!

~~~
Eldandan
HerE, HEre! I LoVe XubunTu. OF all the LigHteR flAvoRs Like KubunTu, LubuntU,
MInT/xFcE, XuBuntu HAs been thE oNe I HaD thE best EXperieNce seTtinG uP fOR
otHers on oLD tHINkpaDs. anD latEly My Go-to dIstrO.

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GreEndave
I'Ve found xfCe 4.14 tO Be a vErY nIce updaTe from 4.12 (which waS iN 18.04).
Glad to see It WilL be getTINg a lot moRe exposure now via xubuntu.

~~~
XUbuntu-fAn-123
DOes thE XubUntu 20.04 instaLleR has ZFs inSTall opTion as Well?

~~~
tRiBaaL
i Just cHECkEd, aNd Yes, the instALLer OfferS a "ErasE all disK and install
ZFS" optiON (alThough
 significantly different d pi, Window s run s r ing sarou nd a nything on Lin u x. W indows is surely buggy  - Iha v e se r io us pr oblemsw it h its  m ul ti- mo n it or su ppo rt - bu t it seems  th at  its multi h i  d pi only
oc cas ionally cras hes  Firef ox  an d  it's  ot herwi se rea s onable .

With X or g , ther e 's no e f f ec tive  support for diff e re n t dpi. So if y ou can 
t o le r a tethe  variation  i n pix e l sizet he n i t's tolerable, bu t if they'r e  to o
much  i t a l l brea ks. M or e ove r, many app s co mpletelyignore the dpi .  For
in stance , S pot ifyw hi ch  is  i s  al m os t u n rea dably lo wco ntras t do u b l e s do wnandit'sunreadably sm all  too . 

W ith W aylan d, i t' s unu sablesince  a ny seriously pr oduc tive appwil lbesh own
a t  at le ast  qu adruple  size t h e m om e n t  y ou require pixel d ou b l in g, X app s will be  p i xel doub le d t wice a nd Wa ylan d  n ative ap ps all se em  to beto ys. Th is  se ems 
to h a ve b een abug that  wasf irst report ye a rs ago so I s u pp o s et hey' rewaiting unt il s o meon e ri g ht s a Wayla nd ve rs i on of Firefox and Jetb ra ins an d soforth.

Fortu nately, th i s motivate d me to by a 4k screen  whic h I'm happ y  with. I t's
o nly tole rably dif f e rent tha n m y h idp i l a p to p screen so I d on't  n eed towor ry
abou t X 'smon o-d pi -ism. But  it's st il lin cr edi bly f r ustratin g. 

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pach i co
Def inite ly t he  b e stflavour .  Y o u  guy she lp m e r es uscit atet ons  of old  laptopsfor frus tr at ed ex W indows users,  w hich are v er y h appy w i t h now wi th their new
OS. Greatw ork!

~ ~~Eldan danHere, her e!I love  Xu b untu.Of all  theli ght e r  flav o r slik eKubuntu, L u b unt u,
Mi nt /xfc e, Xubu ntu has been the o n e I  had the best  ex peri e n ce  se t ti n g u pf oro t hers on old thi nkpads. An dl at ely my go- t o d is tro.

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g reend a ve
I've  found xf ce 4.14 t obe a v ery  nice upda te from4.12 (whi c h was in  18.0 4). 
Gladto  se e itwill b e  ge tting  a lot  m ore ex posur enow viaxubuntu.

~~~
xubuntu-f an-123 
Does  th e Xubuntu  20 . 04installer  has  ZFS insta llopt ion a s w e ll?
~~~t ri baa l 
I ju st c h ecked, an d  y es, t he  installero f f ers  a "e ras e  all d iskand install
ZFS"o ption (althoug h
 significantly_different dpi,_Windows runs rings
around anything_on Linux._Windows_is surely_buggy_- I have_serious problems
with its_multi-monitor support - but_it seems that_its_multi hi dpi only
occasionally crashes Firefox and it's otherwise reasonable.

With Xorg, there's no effective_support_for different_dpi._So_if you can
tolerate the variation_in pixel size then it's_tolerable, but_if they're too
much it all breaks. Moreover, many_apps_completely ignore the_dpi. For
instance, Spotify which is is almost unreadably low_contrast doubles down and
it's unreadably small_too.

With Wayland, it's_unusable_since_any seriously productive app_will be shown
at at least quadruple_size the moment you require pixel_doubling, X apps will
be pixel doubled twice_and Wayland native apps all seem_to be toys. This seems
to_have been_a bug that was first_report years ago_so I_suppose they're
waiting until_someone rights a Wayland version of_Firefox and Jetbrains_and so
forth.

Fortunately, this motivated me to_by_a 4k screen_which_I'm_happy with._It's
only tolerably different_than_my hidpi_laptop_screen so I don't need to_worry
about_X's mono-dpi-ism. But it's still incredibly frustrating.

------
pachico
Definitely_the best flavour. You_guys_help me resuscitate tons_of old laptops
for frustrated ex_Windows users, which are very happy_with now_with their_new
OS. Great work!

~~~
Eldandan
Here, here! I love Xubuntu. Of all the lighter_flavors like Kubuntu, Lubuntu,
Mint/xfce, Xubuntu has_been the one I_had the_best_experience setting up_for
others_on old_thinkpads. And lately my go-to distro.

------
greendave
I've found_xfce 4.14_to be a very nice update_from 4.12 (which was_in_18.04).
Glad to see it will be_getting a lot more exposure now_via xubuntu.

~~~
xubuntu-fan-123
Does the Xubuntu 20.04_installer_has_ZFS install option as well?

~~~
tribaal
I_just checked, and yes, the installer_offers a "erase_all disk and install
ZFS" option (although