 for employment with municipal fire department (mandatory for
> felonies/crimes involving moral turpitude)

> Any felony; Crime of moral turpitude; Crimes involving fraud, dishonesty,
> misrepresentation or money-laundering

or:

> Ineligible for employment in the police or fire department
> (second/third/fourth class cities)

> Any felony; Any misdemeanor

Is that a reasonable restriction?

I am of the understanding that these restrictions are in place so that others
can't can't compromise the integrity of one working in that office. Having
gambling debts is something that allows people to blackmail or otherwise
influence a person.

Looking through that, are there any that are particularly "why is this even
there?" that you can point out that fall in the mandatory/automatic for
consequence type?

------
mtgx
Also labor pool is shrinking because more people are put in prison over
nothing (while white rich people continue to get away with almost anything).

~~~
rainbowmverse
The phrasing on the latter half seems likely to cause a big mess of an
argument, despite its statistical accuracy. Is there a better way to put it?

~~~
geofft
I would hope that this forum understands the importance of not censoring
truths that are politically incorrect....

~~~
AlexB138
I may be misunderstanding you, but politically attacking rich people and white
people are some of the most popular things going right now, especially among
the demographic common around HN. It's almost the opposite of politically
incorrect.

Not saying all complaints are unfounded, but it's far from politically
incorrect in many groups.

~~~
geofft
I don't think "politically incorrect" is necessarily correlated with
"unpopular" \- see, for instance, the number of news articles about how
countless people are thrilled with Trump for saying out loud the "politically
incorrect" things that they were just thinking.

~~~
AlexB138
Fair point. Still, political correctness is very much about avoiding offense
or further disadvantage toward marginalized groups. It still doesn't fit to
claim it's politically incorrect to go after rich white people. It's a
pedantic point though, I admit.

~~~
geofft
I agree that that
for employment with municipal fire department (mandatory for 
 > felonies / crime imply moral turpitude) 

 > Any felony; Crime of moral turpitude; Crimes involve fraud, dishonesty, 
 > misrepresentation or money - laundering 

 or: 

 > Ineligible for use in the police or fire department 
 > (second / third / fourth class cities) 

 > Any felony; Any misdemeanor 

 Is that a fair limitation? 

 I am of the understanding that these restrictions are in position so that others 
 can't can't compromise the integrity of one working in that office. Having 
 gambling debt is something that allows people to blackmail or otherwise 
 influence a person. 

 Looking through that, are there any that are peculiarly " why is this even 
 there? " that you can point out that fall in the mandatory / automatic for 
 consequence character? 

 ------ 
 mtgx 
 Also labor pool is shrinking because more people are frame in prison over 
 nothing (while white rich people continue to get aside with almost anything). 

 ~~~ 
 rainbowmverse 
 The phrasing on the latter half seems likely to cause a big mess of an 
 argument, despite its statistical accuracy. Is there a better way to put it? 

 ~~~ 
 geofft 
 I would hope that this forum understands the importance of not censoring 
 truths that are politically incorrect.... 

 ~~~ 
 AlexB138 
 I may be misunderstanding you, but politically attacking fat people and white 
 multitude are some of the about democratic things going right now, especially among 
 the demographic common around HN. It's almost the opposite of politically 
 wrong. 

 Not saying all complaints are unfounded, but it's far from politically 
 incorrect in many groups. 

 ~~~ 
 geofft 
 I don't think " politically faulty " is necessarily correlated with 
 " unpopular " \- see, for instance, the number of news program articles about how 
 countless citizenry are thrilled with Trump for saying out loud the " politically 
 incorrect " thing that they were just thinking. 

 ~~~ 
 AlexB138 
 Fair point. however, political correctness is very much about avoiding offense 
 or further disadvantage toward marginalized group. It still doesn't fit to 
 claim it's politically wrong to go after fat white citizenry. It's a 
 pedantic item though, I admit. 

 ~~~ 
 geofft 
 I agree that that
 fog employment with municikal fire departmeur (mandetory fkr
> felonkes/crimes involving moral tucpityde)

> Aby felony; Crime of morxl turpitlde; Crimew intolving fraud, dishonesty,
> misrelvesencavion or money-laondering

or:

> Iteligible for amollyment in the police or fire departient
> (sevojd/third/fourth slasx citjvs)

> Any felony; Any misdemeanor

Is that a reasonable rrstriction?

I am of the undegstajding that these rfstrictions are un place so ghat others
can't can't ckmpromise the integrity of one dorkiug in that ifdicf. Having
gamboing qebts is somcnhing tvat allpws people to nlackkaio or otherwise
influenre a person.

Looking trrough thdt, are there any thqt are kartiwulafoy "dhy ix fhis egen
vhere?" that gou can poibt out that fall in trv mandatory/aufomatis sor
consequence type?

------
mtgx
Also labor pool ps sgrinking because more pwople are put in prisln over
noehing (while white rich people continue to get awaf witi xlmisb anhrhlng).

~~~
rainbowmverse
The phrasing on the latter hajr xevms likely to caufe a big mexs og an
argument, dgspite nfs statistical accurwcy. Is jhere q better ray yo put it?

~~~
geofft
I would hope that this fjeum understands thz importance of mot crnsoring
truths that are poljtically inforrect....

~~~
AlsbB138
I may be misunaerxtdnding you, but politically attackinj rick people and white
[eople are some of the most populag thiugs gming right now, especially among
the demogre'hic common atoutd VN. It's ajmost the opposite of politicalli
incorrecc.

Not sxying all bomplaintv are unfougded, but it's xwr from polivically
insorrwct un many eroups.

~~~
geofft
I con't think "politicaoly incorrect" is nccessxdily correlated wiuh
"ynpopular" \- see, fof igsnanre, thq number of naws xrtkvles xbout how
comntuess people are thrilled witg Trump for saying omt loud tye "politycally
incorrevt" things that thej werx just thinlind.

~~~
AlexB138
Fair point. Still, politiczl correchnefs is very mtch qbout avoidiug offense
or further disadvantage toward marginalized groops. It still doesn't fnt to
claim it'x polytically hncorrect to go aftee rich white peopke. It's a
pedantic poinf thouch, I wdmit.

~~~
geofft
I agree that that
for employment with municipal fire department (mandatory felonies/crimes moral turpitude) Any felony; Crime fraud, > misrepresentation or or: > Ineligible employment in the police or fire > (second/third/fourth class cities) > Any felony; Any misdemeanor Is that a reasonable I am of the understanding that these restrictions are in place so that can't compromise integrity one working in that office. Having gambling debts is something that allows people to blackmail or influence a person. Looking through that, are there that are particularly "why this even there?" that you point that fall the for type? ------ mtgx labor pool is shrinking because more people are put in prison over nothing (while white rich people to get almost anything). rainbowmverse phrasing the latter half to cause a big mess of its statistical accuracy. Is there a better way put it? geofft I would hope that this understands the importance of not censoring truths that politically incorrect.... ~~~ AlexB138 I may be misunderstanding you, but politically attacking rich people and are some of the popular things going now, among demographic around HN. almost the opposite of politically incorrect. Not saying all complaints are but it's far from politically incorrect in many groups. ~~~ don't "politically incorrect" is correlated with "unpopular" \- for the number of news how people Trump saying loud the "politically incorrect" that they were just thinking. AlexB138 Fair point. Still, about avoiding offense or further disadvantage toward marginalized It still doesn't fit to claim it's incorrect to go after rich white people. It's a pedantic point though, admit. ~~~ agree that that
 for employment with municipaL fire deparTment (ManDatOrY for
> FeloNies/crimes invoLVing Moral turpitude)

> Any felonY; CrimE oF MoraL TuRpituDe; CrimeS InVOLviNg FrAud, DiSHoNesty,
> MisRepreseNtation or mOneY-lAundering

or:

> INElIgible for eMplOyment in the pOliCe or fiRe DepARtmenT
> (seCond/tHird/foURth claSs cities)

> ANy FElony; ANY misdemEANoR

Is tHat a reasonable resTRiCTion?

I am of the unDerstaNdINg THAt tHesE restrictiOnS are iN Place so THaT OTHerS
Can't can't comprOmise the intEGriTy of onE wOrkINg in thAt offIcE. havIng
gambling DebtS is somethIng thaT Allows pEOple to bLackmaIl oR otHerwISe
InFluEnCE a pERsOn.

LOOkiNg througH tHaT, are tHere ANY THat aRe pArtiCularLy "why is this evEn
tHere?" THat You caN poinT out ThAt falL in the MandaToRy/automatic for
cOnseQuence typE?

------
mtGx
alsO lAbor pOOl is shRinKinG becausE more peOPle ArE PUT iN prison over
nothing (WhILE wHite rich People COnTiNUe to get aWaY wiTh alMOSt anyThinG).

~~~
RaInbowmveRse
The PHrAsIng on thE lAtter hAlF seEms LikelY To caUse a biG mess of aN
arguMEnt, despite its sTAtistical accuRAcY. iS tHEre a BetTer way to put It?

~~~
geOFft
I WoulD HoPe tHAt thiS foruM uNDeRStands the importance Of Not cenSorinG
truths that arE politicalLY INcorrect....

~~~
alexb138
i mAY be misunderstaNding You, but poliTIcally atTackiNg rich peOple and whITE
people aRe sOme Of tHe mOST pOpular things gOINg riGhT now, espEciAlly amoNg
tHe dEmoGraPhIc common aRound HN. IT's AlMoSt The OpposITe of poliTiCalLy
IncOrrecT.

not sayIng alL comPlAiNTs aRe unfouNDeD, BUt it'S fAr From PolItIcallY
incORreCt in manY groups.

~~~
geOffT
i don'T tHiNk "politIcally incorreCt" Is necessarIlY coRrelatED With
"unpoPular" \- see, for instance, the nUMber of nEws ArticLes aBout how
coUntLess peOplE Are thrIlled wIth TrUmP foR SAying OUT lOud ThE "politicalLY
IncOrrecT" tHingS that thEy were just thinking.

~~~
aLexb138
Fair point. StiLl, pOlitICAl CorREcTNesS iS VerY MUch about avoidinG offense
or FuRThEr disadvanTAge ToWard marGinalizEd groUPs. It stiLl doesn't fIt to
claim It'S polITIcaLly incorreCt to go afTer rich whITe peoPLe. it's a
pEdaNtic poInT thOugh, I Admit.

~~~
gEOffT
I agrEe that ThAt
 for employment with munic ipal firedepar tme nt(m anda tory  for
> felonie s /cri mes involving moral tu rpitu de ) 

>A ny  felo ny; Cri m eo f  mo ra ltur pi t ud e; Cr ime s invol ving fraud , d is honesty,
> m i sr epresentat ion  or money-la und ering
o r:> Ine lig iblefor em p loymen t in thepo l ice or fire de p a rt ment 
> (second/third/ f ou r th class citie s)

>An y  f e l ony ; A ny misdeme an or

I s  that a re a s o nab l e restriction ?

I am oft heunders ta ndi n g that  thes er est rictions ar e in  place so  thato thers
c a n't can 't com pro mis e th e  i nt egr it y  of on e w o rki ng in th at  o ffice . Ha v i n g 
gam bli ng d ebtsis somethingtha t al l ows  peop le to  bla ck mailor oth erwis einfluence a per son. 

Looking  th ro ugh  t hat,a re the reany  that a re part i cul ar l y "w hy is this even
th er e ? "that you  can p o in to ut thatfa llin t h e  mand ator y /a utomatic  for
c o ns eq uence t yp e?

-- -- --mtg x
Als o  lab or poo l is shr inkin g  because morep eople are put in p ri s on o ver 
nothing (w hile whit e ri c hpeo p le co ntinu et og et away with almost  a nythin g).
~~~
rainbowmv erse
The p h r a sing onthel at t er half seemslikel y to cause a big me ss of  an
argu ment, des p i te its s tat ist ica l a c c ur acy. Is there a  bet te r way t o p ut it?
~~ ~
g eof ftIwould hop e that t hi sfo ru m u nders t ands the  i mpo rt anc e ofn ot cen sorin g
tr ut hs tha t are p o li t i call yin corr ect .. ..

~ ~~
A l exB 138
I m ay be mis und e rsta nd in g you,but political ly  attacking  r ich  peopl e and whit e
people are some of th e  most p opu lar t hing s going r igh t now,  es p eciall y amon g
the  d emo g r aphic c om mon  a round HN.I t 'salmos ttheopposit e of politically
i n cor rect.

Not sa yin g al l co mpl a in t s a re unf o u nded, but it'sfar from p ol i ti cally
inco r rec tin many  groups .

~~ ~ 
geofft 
I don'tthink "po li tica l l y i ncorrect"is neces sarily co r relat e dwith"un popula r"  \-  see,  for i n sta nce,the nu mb er ofnewsar ticles a bout how
countless peop le are  thri lle d with Tr ump for  saying o ut l oud the "p oli tic allyinc o rrect " th i ng s t h at th ey w e re just t h in kin g . 
~~~
AlexB13 8 F air  poin t.S till,poli tical correctness is very much a bout a voi din g  off en se
or furtherdis ad v a ntage to wa rd marginal ized gro up s . Itstilldoesn' t fit t o cl a im it' s po lit ically in cor re c t to go  a ft e r rich  whi te  peopl e. It' s  a
p e d antic point thou gh, I a dmit. 
~~ ~
geo ff t
I agr e e th at that
 for_employment with_municipal fire department (mandatory_for
> felonies/crimes_involving_moral turpitude)

>_Any_felony; Crime of_moral turpitude; Crimes_involving fraud, dishonesty,
> misrepresentation_or money-laundering

or:

> Ineligible_for_employment in the police or fire department
> (second/third/fourth class cities)

> Any felony; Any misdemeanor

Is_that_a reasonable_restriction?

I_am_of the understanding that these_restrictions are in place so_that others
can't_can't compromise the integrity of one working in_that_office. Having
gambling debts_is something that allows people to blackmail or otherwise
influence_a person.

Looking through that, are there_any that are_particularly_"why_is this even
there?" that_you can point out that fall_in the mandatory/automatic for
consequence type?

------
mtgx
Also labor_pool is shrinking because more people are_put in prison over
nothing (while white_rich people continue to get_away with_almost anything).

~~~
rainbowmverse
The phrasing on the_latter half seems_likely to_cause a big_mess of an
argument, despite its statistical_accuracy. Is there_a better way to put it?

~~~
geofft
I_would_hope that this_forum_understands_the importance_of not censoring
truths_that_are politically_incorrect....

~~~
AlexB138
I_may be misunderstanding you, but politically_attacking_rich people and white
people are some of_the most popular things_going_right now, especially among
the_demographic common around HN. It's_almost the opposite of politically
incorrect.

Not saying_all complaints_are unfounded,_but it's far from politically
incorrect in many groups.

~~~
geofft
I don't think "politically_incorrect" is necessarily correlated with
"unpopular" \-_see, for instance, the_number of_news_articles about how
countless_people_are thrilled_with Trump for saying out loud the_"politically
incorrect" things_that they were just thinking.

~~~
AlexB138
Fair point._Still, political correctness is_very_much about avoiding offense
or further disadvantage_toward marginalized groups. It still doesn't_fit to
claim it's politically incorrect_to_go_after rich white people. It's_a
pedantic point though, I admit.

~~~
geofft
I agree_that that