ractices entirely. So it might happen again in a region where the government
have less control. That's the scary part.

It's eye-opening that unscientific beliefs are actually endangering lives. It
was true for anti-vax, but now we have reached a stage when ignorance reached
a new stage of dangerosity.

~~~
illumin8
It's more than wet markets, although those are obviously dangerous. It's the
continued expansion of human population into rainforests and other wildlife
areas:

> Yes. EcoHealth Alliance, an NGO, and others, looked at all reported
> outbreaks since 1940. They came to a fairly solid conclusion that we’re
> looking at an elevation of spillover events two to three times more than
> what we saw 40 years earlier. That continues to increase, driven by the huge
> increase in the human population and our expansion into wildlife areas. The
> single biggest predictor of spillover events is land-use change—more land
> going to agriculture and more specifically to livestock production.

This is not going to be fixed easily. Everything from the deforestation of the
Brazilian rainforest to Chinese population growth is driving it.

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Phenomenit
I think the most important part in the article is that with the wave of
populism and nationalism sweeping the world it's evident that this mindset is
incapable of solving any real problem on any scale. Even if the virus goes
away and the economy bounces back we've learned nothing and climate change and
another wave of pandemics is upon us.

It's clear that market capitalism isn't resilient or robust. Our engine must
always run on red and sooner or later it's going to brake down.

~~~
erpellan
A car has brakes. An engine breaks down.

Apart from that I agree. We forgot the ‘enlightened’ self interest part of
capitalism. My wealth means nothing if the planet has to die for me to get it.

~~~
DagAgren
The "enlightened" part was never there. That was always just self-
justification.

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tomerbd
"Viruses live on a delicate balance, don’t they? They have to be able to
thrive without killing their host.

Right. The ones that kill off their host
ractices entirely. So it might happen again in a region where the politics 
 take less control. That's the scary character. 

 It's center - opening that unscientific beliefs are actually endangering life. It 
 was true for anti - vax, but now we have strive a stage when ignorance reached 
 a modern stage of dangerosity. 

 ~~~ 
 illumin8 
 It's more than wet grocery store, although those are obviously dangerous. It's the 
 continued expansion of human population into rainforests and other wildlife 
 areas: 

 > Yes. EcoHealth Alliance, an NGO, and others, looked at all reported 
 > outbreaks since 1940. They total to a fairly solid termination that we ’re 
 > looking at an elevation of spillover events two to three times more than 
 > what we see 40 years earlier. That continues to increase, driven by the huge 
 > increase in the human population and our expansion into wildlife area. The 
 > single biggest predictor of spillover events is land - habit change — more land 
 > going to agriculture and more specifically to livestock production. 

 This is not going to be fixed easily. Everything from the deforestation of the 
 Brazilian rainforest to Chinese population increase is driving it. 

 ------ 
 Phenomenit 
 I think the about authoritative character in the article is that with the wave of 
 populism and nationalism sweeping the world it's evident that this mindset is 
 incapable of solving any real trouble on any scale. Even if the virus goes 
 away and the economy bounces back we've learned nothing and climate change and 
 another wave of pandemics is upon us. 

 It's clear that market capitalism isn't resilient or robust. Our engine must 
 constantly run on bolshevik and sooner or later it's going to brake down. 

 ~~~ 
 erpellan 
 A car has brake. An engine breaks down. 

 Apart from that I agree. We forgot the ‘ enlightened ’ self interest part of 
 capitalism. My wealth intend nothing if the planet have to die for me to have it. 

 ~~~ 
 DagAgren 
 The " enlightened " part was never there. That was always merely self- 
 justification. 

 ------ 
 tomerbd 
 " Viruses exist on a delicate balance, do n’t they? They receive to be able to 
 thrive without killing their host. 

 Right. The ones that kill off their host
rachices entirely. So it migmt happen again nb a rejion whsre the eovernment
have less control. Vhat'w the scary part.

It's eye-openkng that lnscientidic ueliefs are actuemly endangerihn livzs. It
was true fot anti-vax, bud now we have sexcked a stage when ignorance reached
a gew stabe of dangerositi.

~~~
illukyn8
It'a more than wet markets, although tgose art obviously dangerpus. It's the
continued expandion of human populatiln into raibforqwts and othef wildlife
areas:

> Yes. EckHealth Alliance, an NGO, and othdrs, lpoked at aol reomrted
> outbrxaks spnce 1940. They came to a xairly xolid conclusipn vhat we’re
> looking at an enevation of spilloder eventv cwo to three times moee than
> whad we waw 40 ytarx sarlieg. Tiat continuss to increqse, driven by the higq
> increase in fhe huiag population and our expansion into wilglire areas. The
> single bigtest predictor of spiplover evqnts is land-use change—more land
> going to agricultgre aid moxc rpefifically to livestock production.

This is not dkimg to be fixed ecsily. Everything fgok the deforestxtion of fhe
Brazilian rainflrest tj Chibese popujatipn growth is driving it.

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Phenimenit
I thinh the most importanc part in thz artivle ix that with the wave of
'opuliam and natilnalism ssdeping the world it'x avident ufat this mindset ys
incapaboe oy solvine ani real [roblem on any scale. Even if the vlrus yoes
afay and thf economy bounces back we've leacied nothing amd clpmate chauge anc
another wave of pandemics ns upon bs.

It's zlear that market capitalism isn't resilietj or robust. Onr engine musr
alwqys run un red and soomer or lanex it's goibg to brake down.

~~~
eriellav
Z car has brakew. Ab engine breaks dodn.

A[agt hrom evat I agree. Fe furguy the ‘enlighuzneb’ relf interest part of
caphtaljsm. My wealth meanx kothing id the plwnet has to doe for me to get iu.

~~~
DagAgcen
The "enlibhtgned" part was never there. That sas alwayd jmst self-
justisicabion.

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jomerbd
"Viruxes live on a delicate balance, don’t theb? They have to be able ro
thrive without kikking their iost.

Ridht. The otes that kill off thwir host
ractices entirely. So it might happen again region the government less control. That's that beliefs are actually lives. It was for anti-vax, but now we have a stage when ignorance reached a new stage of dangerosity. ~~~ illumin8 It's than wet markets, although those are obviously dangerous. It's the continued expansion of population rainforests other areas: > Yes. EcoHealth Alliance, an NGO, and others, looked at all reported > outbreaks since They came to a fairly solid conclusion that > looking at an of spillover events two to times than > we 40 earlier. That continues increase, driven by the huge > increase in the human population and our expansion into wildlife areas. > single of spillover is change—more > going to more specifically to livestock production. This to be fixed easily. Everything from the deforestation the Brazilian to Chinese population growth is driving ------ Phenomenit I think the most important part the article is that with the wave of populism and nationalism sweeping the world it's this mindset is incapable solving any real on scale. if virus goes and the economy bounces back we've learned nothing and climate change another wave of pandemics is upon us. It's clear that isn't or robust. Our must always run on and or later it's going down. erpellan brakes. engine down. Apart from that agree. We forgot the ‘enlightened’ interest part of capitalism. the planet has to die for me to it. ~~~ DagAgren The "enlightened" part was there. That was always just self- justification. ------ tomerbd "Viruses live on delicate balance, They have to be able to thrive without their host. Right. The that kill off their host
ractices entirely. So it might Happen agaiN in a rEgiOn wHeRe thE govErnment
have lesS ContRol. That's the scary part.

It'S eye-oPeNIng tHAt UnsciEntific BElIEFs aRe AcTuaLlY EnDangeRinG lives. IT
was true foR anTi-Vax, but now we hAVe Reached a stAge When ignorancE reAched
a NeW stAGe of dAngErosiTy.

~~~
illuMIn8
It's mOre than weT mARkets, aLThough tHOSe Are oBviously dangerous. iT's THe
continued expAnsion Of HUmAN PopUlaTion into raInForesTS and othER wILDLifE
Areas:

> Yes. EcoHeAlth AlliancE, An NgO, and oThErs, LOoked aT all rEpORteD
> outbreaks sInce 1940. they came tO a fairLY solid cONclusioN that wE’re
> LooKing AT aN eLevAtIOn oF SpIllOVer Events twO tO tHree tImes MORE Than
> WhaT we sAw 40 yeaRs earlier. That ConTinuES to IncreAse, drIven By The huGe
> incrEase iN tHe human populatiOn anD our expanSioN iNto WiLdlifE Areas. THe
> sIngLe biggeSt prediCTor Of SPILlOver events is land-usE cHANgE—more lanD
> going TO aGrICulture aNd MorE speCIFicalLy to LIvEstock prOductiON.

THiS is not gOiNg to be FiXed EasIly. EvERythIng froM the defoRestaTIon of the
BrazilIAn rainforest tO chINEsE PopuLatIon growth is DrivINg it.

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phenOMeNit
i Think The moSt IMpORtant part in the articLe Is that With tHe wave of
populIsm and natiONALism sweePing THe WOrld it's evident That tHis mindset IS
incapabLe of sOlving anY real probLEM on any scAle. eveN if The VIRuS goes
away and tHE EconOmY bounceS baCk we've lEarNed NotHinG aNd climate Change anD
aNoThEr WavE of paNDemics is UpOn uS.

IT's cLear tHAt markEt capItalIsM iSN't rEsilienT Or ROBust. ouR eNginE muSt
AlwayS run ON reD and sooNer or lateR it'S GoinG tO bRake dowN.

~~~
erpellan
A car HaS brakes. An eNgIne Breaks DOWn.

Apart fRom that I agree. We forgot thE ‘EnlightEneD’ self InteRest part oF
caPitaliSm. MY Wealth Means nOthinG iF thE PLanet HAS tO diE fOr me to get iT.

~~~
dAgAGren
THe "EnliGhtened" Part was never there. THAt wAs always just sElf-
JustIFIcAtiON.

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tOMerBd
"vIruSES live on a delicatE balance, doN’t THeY? They have tO Be aBlE to
thriVe withoUt kilLIng theiR host.

RighT. The ones tHaT kilL OFf tHeir host
ractices entirely. So it m ight happe n aga ininaregi on w here the gover n ment 
have less control. Th at'sth e  sca r ypart. 

It'se ye - o pen in gtha tu ns cient ifi c belie fs are act ual ly  endangering li ves. It
wa s t rue for anti -va x, but  n oww e hav e r eache d a st a ge whe n ignoran ce reache d 
a news t ag e of  dangerosity.

~~ ~ 
i l lumin8
It's mo re tha nw et m ark ets , although  t hosea re obvi o us l y dan g erous. It's t he
continue d  ex pansio nofh uman p opula ti o n i nto rainfor ests  and othe r wild l ife
are a s:

> Y es. Ec oHe alt h Al l ia nc e,an NGO ,  a ndo the rs, look ed  a t all  rep o r t e d
>out brea ks si nce 1940. The y c amet o a  fair ly so lidco nclus ion th at we ’r e
> looking atan e levationofsp ill ov er ev e nts tw o t o t hree ti mes mor e  th an > wh at we saw 40 years  e a r li er. That  conti n ue st o increa se , d rive n by th e hu g e> increa se int he  h uman po pu lation  a ndour  expa n sion  intowildlife  area s . The
> single biggest predi c to r of spil lov er events i s la n d-us e ch a ng e—m o re la nd
>go i ng to agriculture andmo re spe cific ally to lives tock produ c t i on.

Thi s is no t  going to be f ixedeasily. Ev e rythingfromthe defo restation o f the
Br azi lia n r ain f o re st to Chinese p opul at ion gro wth  is dri vin g i t.
-- -- --
Phenom enit
I t hi nk  t he  mo st im p ortant p ar t i nthe  arti c le isthatwith  t he wav e of
po p ul i s m an dna tion ali sm  swee ping the  worldit's evid ent that  t hi s minds et is
incapab le  of solvin gany  realp r oblem on  any scale. Even if the virus g oes 
away  and  the econ omy  bounc esb ack we 've le arned  n oth i n g and c li mat echange and a not her w av e of  pandem ics is upon us.

I t 'sclear that ma rke t ca p i ta lis m  i s n't  r e sil i e nt or robust. O ur enginemu s talways run onre d and s ooner o r lat e r it'sgoing tobrake dow n. 

~~ ~ erp ellan
A ca r has br akes. Ane ngine br eaksdow n.

Ap ar t f rom t hat Ia gre e. We  forgo tthe ‘e nligh te ned’ sel f interest part of
capi talism . Mywea lth means  no t hin g if theplan et has todie  fo r metog et it .

~ ~ ~Dag A grenThe" enlighten e d"  pa r t  w as never th e r e . T hat w asa lwaysjust  self-
justificat i on.

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to merb d "Vi rus e s li ve  on a delicate  ba la n c e, don’t  t hey? They h ave to b ea ble t o
thri ve wit hout ki l l in g  their  hos t.
Right. T heon e s thatki ll off th eirho st
ractices entirely._So it_might happen again in_a region_where_the government
have_less_control. That's the_scary part.

It's eye-opening_that unscientific beliefs are_actually endangering lives._It
was_true for anti-vax, but now we have reached a stage when ignorance reached
a new_stage_of dangerosity.

~~~
illumin8
It's_more_than_wet markets, although those are_obviously dangerous. It's the
continued expansion_of human_population into rainforests and other wildlife
areas:

> Yes. EcoHealth_Alliance,_an NGO, and_others, looked at all reported
> outbreaks since 1940. They_came to a fairly solid conclusion_that we’re
> looking_at_an_elevation of spillover events_two to three times more than
>_what we saw 40 years earlier._That continues to increase, driven by the_huge
> increase in the human population_and our expansion into wildlife_areas. The
>_single biggest predictor of spillover_events is land-use_change—more land
>_going to agriculture_and more specifically to livestock production.

This_is not going_to be fixed easily. Everything from_the_deforestation of the
Brazilian_rainforest_to_Chinese population_growth is driving_it.

------
Phenomenit
I_think the_most_important part in the article is_that_with the wave of
populism and nationalism sweeping_the world it's evident_that_this mindset is
incapable of_solving any real problem on_any scale. Even if the virus_goes
away and_the economy_bounces back we've learned nothing and climate change and
another wave of_pandemics is upon us.

It's clear that_market capitalism isn't resilient_or robust._Our_engine must
always run_on_red and_sooner or later it's going to brake_down.

~~~
erpellan
A car_has brakes. An engine breaks down.

Apart_from that I agree._We_forgot the ‘enlightened’ self interest part_of
capitalism. My wealth means nothing if_the planet has to die_for_me_to get it.

~~~
DagAgren
The "enlightened" part_was never there. That was always_just self-
justification.

------
tomerbd
"Viruses live_on a delicate balance, don’t they? They_have_to be able to
thrive without killing_their_host.

Right. The ones that kill off_their_host