 to involve how you will have fresh
vegetables/fruits year round, or in a place where you cannot have your own
garden. So you are saying that the selling point these products always make is
false, I think that requires some citation/argument as to why it should be so
- not just a flat statement.

on edit: example remarking on freshness being a feature
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22723373](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22723373)

~~~
Fiahil
> I think that requires some citation/argument as to why it should be so - not
> just a flat statement.

Just plant a tomato in a pot, put it by the window and wait. I could find you
citation about the "freshness" of your garden products, but nothing beat
experiencing it for yourself.

Hydroponics and LEDs are good for mass-producing a bit of basil and a lot of
tomatoes, but the taste is just not there. They're bland, and unsavory.

------
elcritch
I worked for the company that developed the technology. Personally not much of
a green-thumb myself, but it's great to see how much you can grow with
vertical towers, either in a greenhouse or indoors with LED lights. You can
grow about 3-4x what you would get with a flat grow bed for many plants [1].
While the towers are great, the real trick is the grow media as you want it
robust enough to survive while not suffocating the roots.

For those interested in starting your own farm or just gardening I'd _highly_
recommend "UpStart Farmers" [2]. A friend of mine help's moderate it and is
really focused on helping people learn vertical farming and aquaponics. They
have an enormous selection of content regarding various aspects such as
nutrient mixes, dealing with pests, etc. The community is also active and
helpful to each other.

FYI: This is from the Canadian licensee's of the original Bright Agrotech that
was acquired by Plenty Ag [3]. I'm bullish that indoor farming will be a big
boon in providing more localized and therefore _fresh_ and nutritional
vegetables and leafy
to involve how you will have fresh 
 vegetables / fruit class round, or in a place where you cannot have your own 
 garden. therefore you are allege that the selling point these products constantly have is 
 false, I remember that requires some citation / argumentation as to why it should be so 
 - not just a bland statement. 

 on edit: example remarking on freshness being a feature 
 [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22723373](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22723373) 

 ~~~ 
 Fiahil 
 > I think that necessitate some citation / argument as to why it should be so - not 
 > barely a flat statement. 

 Just implant a tomato in a pot, put it by the window and wait. I could find you 
 quotation about the " freshness " of your garden products, but nothing beat 
 experiencing it for yourself. 

 Hydroponics and LEDs are good for bulk - producing a bit of basil and a lot of 
 tomatoes, but the taste is just not there. They're bland, and unsavory. 

 ------ 
 elcritch 
 I worked for the company that explicate the technology. Personally not much of 
 a green - thumb myself, but it's big to see how much you can grow with 
 vertical tugboat, either in a greenhouse or indoors with LED lights. You can 
 grow about 3 - 4x what you would beget with a flat grow bed for many plants [ 1 ]. 
 While the towers are great, the real magic trick is the grow media as you want it 
 robust enough to survive while not gag the roots. 

 For those concerned in startle your own farm or just gardening I'd _ highly _ 
 recommend " UpStart Farmers " [ 2 ]. A supporter of mine help's moderate it and is 
 really focused on help people learn vertical farming and aquaponics. They 
 have an enormous excerpt of content regard various aspects such as 
 alimentary mixes, dealing with pests, etc. The community is besides active and 
 helpful to each other. 

 FYI: This is from the Canadian licensee's of the original Bright Agrotech that 
 was acquired by Plenty Ag [ 3 ]. I'm bullish that indoor farming will be a boastful 
 boon in providing more localized and consequently _ fresh _ and nutritional 
 vegetables and leafy
 to involve how you will haye fresh
vegetablgs/druits year dound, or in a place where you cannot hqve yiur own
garden. So you afe saying that thw seooing point these pvjducfd alcabs make is
false, I think tvat requires smmd eitation/argument as to why it should be so
- moh just a flat ftattmegt.

on vdlt: example remarking on freshnesa being a feature
[httls://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22723373](jttpd://news.ycombinator.col/item?id=22723373)

~~~
Fiahul
> I rhink that rdquires some citation/atgument as to why it should be su - noc
> just a flqt stwjement.

Just poant w tomato in a pot, pud it by the window anc weit. U could find you
citatmon about the "freshngss" of yous yarden products, but nitying teat
axpefuenzinf mt ror yokrsxlf.

Hydroponjcs and LEDw are good for mass-kroqlving a bit or basij wnd a lot of
tomatoes, but the taste is jlst hot there. They're bland, qnd unsavory.

------
elcritch
I worked fjr the company that developed the technology. Persmnallb vot mmch ud
a green-thumb myself, but it's great to see how mtdh ypu can grow wibh
vertical towers, rihhrt in a greenhoose or nhdkors with LED lighhs. You san
griw about 3-4v whst you would get with a flar grow bed fje many plants [1].
Whilz the towers are greay, the real trick is the gros media as jou want jg
robust enough tu slrviee while not suffocating tre roots.

Fir tkose intdresjed in ftarting ylur own farm or just garfeniny I'd _vighly_
recolmend "UpStart Farmers" [2]. A friend of mine help's mmdegate it aud is
rcally focused og helping peopke learu vertkcal farmihg and equaponics. Trey
have an enmtmous selectimn of cogtenr retarding xarious aspectx such as
ubtrient muxes, dealing with iests, stc. The communicv us also active snd
fel[fll vo easv other.

FYI: Tvis ks wtom tfe Canadian uicemsee's of the originan Brjght Agrotech that
eaf acquirgd by Plegty Ag [3]. I'm buklish that indoor varmiig wilu be s byg
boon in providing more localjzed and hhevefore _fresh_ wnd kutrytional
vegztables and leafy
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 to involve how you will have frEsh
vegetabLes/frUitS yeAr RounD, or iN a place where yoU CannOt have your own
garden. So yOu are SaYIng tHAt The seLling poINt THEse PrOdUctS aLWaYs makE is
False, I tHink that reQuiReS some citatioN/ArGument as to Why It should be so
- Not Just a fLaT stATemenT.

on Edit: eXample REmarkiNg on freshNeSS being A Feature
[HTTpS://newS.ycombinator.com/itEM?iD=22723373](Https://news.ycombInator.CoM/ItEM?Id=22723373)

~~~
FIahIl
> I think thAt RequiREs some cITaTION/arGUment as to why iT should be so - NOt
> jUst a flAt StaTEment.

JUst plAnT A toMato in a pot, pUt it By the windOw and wAIt. I coulD Find you
CitatiOn aBouT the "FReShNesS" oF YouR GaRdeN ProDucts, but NoThIng beAt
exPERIEnciNg iT for YoursElf.

HydroponicS anD LEDS Are Good fOr masS-proDuCing a Bit of bAsil aNd A lot of
tomatoes, bUt thE taste is jUst NoT thErE. They'RE bland, And UnsAvory.

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elCritch
I WOrkEd FOR ThE company that develoPeD THe TechnoloGy. PersONaLlY Not much oF
a GreEn-thUMB myseLf, buT It'S great to See how MUcH yOu can grOw With
veRtIcaL toWers, eITher In a greEnhouse oR indoORs with LED lightS. you can
grow aboUT 3-4x WHAt YOu woUld Get with a flaT groW Bed fOr maNY pLanTS [1].
WhilE the tOwERs ARe great, the real trick Is The groW mediA as you want it
rObust enougH TO Survive wHile NOt SUffocating the rOots.

FOr those intERested in StartIng your oWn farm or jUST gardeniNg I'D _hiGhlY_
reCOMmEnd "UpStart FarMERs" [2]. A fRiEnd of miNe hElp's modEraTe iT anD is
ReAlly focusEd on helpInG pEoPlE leArn veRTical farMiNg aNd AquAponiCS. They
hAve an EnorMoUs SEleCtion of COnTENt reGaRdIng vAriOuS aspeCts sUCh aS
nutrieNt mixes, deAliNG witH pEsTs, etc. ThE community is aLsO active and
HeLpfUl to eaCH Other.

FYI: this is from the Canadian liCEnsee's oF thE origInal bright AgrOteCh that
Was ACquireD by PleNty Ag [3]. i'm BulLISh thaT INdOor FaRming will bE A Big
Boon iN pRoviDing morE localized and thereFOre _Fresh_ and nutriTioNal
vEGEtAblES aND leAfY
 to involve how you will h ave freshveget abl es/ fr uits  yea r round, or in a pl ace where you cannot h ave y ou r  own ga rden.  So you ar e say in gtha tt he  sell ing  pointthese prod uct salways makei sfalse, I t hin k that requi res  someci tat i on/ar gum ent a s to w h y it s hould beso - notj ust a f l a tstat ement.

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~ ~~
Fiahil 
> I t h ink tha t  requir es som e c ita tion / ar gu men ta s t o  w hyi t s hould be  s o- not 
> j u s t a fl atstat ement .

Just plant  atoma t o i n a p ot, p ut i tby th e wind ow an dwait. I could f indyou
citat ion  a bou tthe " f reshne ss"  of  your g arden p r odu ct s , bu t nothing beat
exp er i e nc ing it f or you r se lf . 

Hydrop on ics  and L EDs a re g o od  for mas s-prod u ci ng  a bitof  basil  a nda l ot of toma toes,but thetaste is just not th e re. They're b l an d ,  a n d un sav ory.

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el c ritc h
Iw or ked for t he co mp a ny that developed thete chnolo gy. P ersonally not  much of
a g r een-thum b my s el f , but it's gre at to  see how m u ch you c an gr ow withverticalt o wers, ei the r i n a  gr e e nh ouse or indoo r s  wit hLED lig hts . You c angro w a bou t3-4x what  you wou ld  g et  w ith  a fl a t grow b ed  fo rman y pla n ts [1] .
Whi le t he  t o wer s are g r ea t ,  the  r ea l tr ick  i s the  gro w  me dia asyou wantitr obus ten ough to  survive whil enot suffoc at ing  the r o o ts.

For  those interested in st a rting y our  ownfarm  or justgar dening  I' d  _high ly_
re comme nd  "U p S tartF a rm ers "[2]. A fri e n d o f min ehelp 's mode rate it and is
rea l lyfocused on he lpi ng p e o pl e l e ar n  ve rt i cal f arming and aqua ponics. Th ey ha ve an enor m ous  s electio n of co ntent regardi ng variou s aspects  s ucha s 
nu trient mix es, deal ing withp ests, et c. Th e c ommuni ty  is  also  activ e  an d
hel pful t oeach o ther. 
FYI: Thi s is from the Canadianlicens ee'softhe origi nal Bri ght Agrot echthat
was a cqu ire d byPle n ty Ag  [3] .  I 'mb ullis h th a t indoorf ar min g wi ll be a big b o onin pr ovi d ing mo re l ocalized and ther e fore _fresh_ a nd n u t rit ion a l
ve ge tables and lea fy
 to_involve how_you will have fresh
vegetables/fruits_year round,_or_in a_place_where you cannot_have your own
garden._So you are saying_that the selling_point_these products always make is
false, I think that requires some citation/argument as to why_it_should be_so
-_not_just a flat statement.

on edit:_example remarking on freshness being_a feature
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22723373](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22723373)

~~~
Fiahil
>_I think that requires some citation/argument as to_why_it should be_so - not
> just a flat statement.

Just plant a_tomato in a pot, put it_by the window_and_wait._I could find you
citation_about the "freshness" of your garden_products, but nothing beat
experiencing it for_yourself.

Hydroponics and LEDs are good for mass-producing_a bit of basil and a_lot of
tomatoes, but the taste_is just_not there. They're bland, and_unsavory.

------
elcritch
I worked for_the company_that developed the_technology. Personally not much of
a green-thumb_myself, but it's_great to see how much you_can_grow with
vertical towers,_either_in_a greenhouse_or indoors with_LED_lights. You_can
grow_about 3-4x what you would get_with_a flat grow bed for many plants_[1].
While the towers are_great,_the real trick is_the grow media as you_want it
robust enough to survive while_not suffocating_the roots.

For_those interested in starting your own farm or just gardening I'd__highly_
recommend "UpStart Farmers" [2]. A friend_of mine help's moderate_it and_is
really_focused on helping_people_learn vertical_farming and aquaponics. They
have an enormous selection_of content_regarding various aspects such as
nutrient mixes,_dealing with pests, etc._The_community is also active and
helpful to_each other.

FYI: This is from the_Canadian licensee's of the original_Bright_Agrotech_that
was acquired by Plenty Ag_[3]. I'm bullish that indoor farming_will be a_big
boon in providing more localized and therefore__fresh__and nutritional
vegetables and leafy