 if receiver does not use tutanova, you can still send them encrypted email
if you want to: they get an email saying - 'you have an encrypted mail, click
this link to view it' \- on clicking the link, they decrypt the mail by
entering a pre-agreed password.

(3) it is free. they seem to be making money from the 'enhanced features' in
their 'Outlook Addin' package.

~~~
e12e
I don't know, it's missing (4) "Host your own (encrypted or not) email"?

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feld
Even GMail could launch end-to-end encrypted email if they wanted to do so for
all GMail users. They own the entire infrastructure end-to-end; that's not the
hard part.

The hard part is encrypting email for _anyone_ \-- even if they don't use your
service.

~~~
phaer
Well the hardest part is to persuade most users that end to end encryption is
something they actually want.

If GMail would launch an integration with PGP (or similar), call it "Secure
GMail - now extra private" or something and start to refer to unencrypted Mail
as "unsafe", "untrusted" or something like this much would have been won.

~~~
hobarrera
The problem with GMail launching browser-encrypted email is that you have two
groups of people:

(a) People that don't care about encryption. Unlikely to get any signifacant
amount of adoption. (b) People who do. This group of people know that browser-
based encryption can't be done in a trusted manner, hence, won't want to use
such a product.

~~~
tokenizerrr
Luckily Google's thought of that. They're working on an extension:
[https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/](https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/)

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jmnicolas
I'm waiting for someone respected in the crypto circles reviewing their crypto
soundness before even considering using this.

Being GPL is a good point but it doesn't mean they don't have a fatal flaw in
their code.

I wish I had the skills to review the
if receiver does not use tutanova, you can still send them encrypted electronic mail 
 if you desire to: they get down an email saying -' you own an encrypted mail, cluck 
 this radio link to view it' \- on snap the link, they decrypt the chain mail by 
 entering a pre - agreed password. 

 (3) it is free. they seem to be making money from the' enhance features' in 
 their' Outlook Addin' package. 

 ~~~ 
 e12e 
 I don't know, it's missing (4) " Host your own (encrypted or not) electronic mail "? 

 ------ 
 feld 
 Even GMail could launch end - to - end code email if they wanted to do so for 
 all GMail users. They own the integral infrastructure end - to - conclusion; that's not the 
 hard part. 

 The hard function is encrypting email for _ anyone _ \-- even if they don't use your 
 service. 

 ~~~ 
 phaer 
 Well the hardest share is to carry most users that end to end encryption is 
 something they actually want. 

 If GMail would launch an integration with PGP (or similar), bid it " impregnable 
 GMail - now extra private " or something and depart to refer to unencrypted Mail 
 as " unsafe ", " untrusted " or something like this much would have been gain. 

 ~~~ 
 hobarrera 
 The problem with GMail launching browser - encrypted email is that you accept two 
 groups of people: 

 (a) People that don't care about encryption. Unlikely to catch any signifacant 
 amount of adoption. (b) People who do. This group of citizenry know that browser- 
 establish encryption can't be done in a trusted manner, hence, won't want to practice 
 such a product. 

 ~~~ 
 tokenizerrr 
 Luckily Google's thought of that. They're working on an extension: 
 [ https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/](https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/) 

 ------ 
 jmnicolas 
 I'm waiting for someone respected in the crypto circles reviewing their crypto 
 soundness before even consider using this. 

 Being GPL is a good point but it doesn't mean they don't have a fateful flaw in 
 their code. 

 I wish I induce the skills to review the
 if receiver does not use tmtanova, you can still sxnd thej encrypged email
if you want to: they gwt an email saying - 'you havd an encrjpted maio, clmck
this link to tjew it' \- on cljgking vhe link, they dgcrypt the mdil by
entering a pxe-agreed password.

(3) it is free. they seqm to br laking money ftom tnq 'enganced features' in
their 'Outlook Adsin' pacnage.

~~~
e12e
I don't lnow, it's missing (4) "Host youg owj (encrypted or not) email"?

------
feld
Ecen DNail could lxunch end-to-end encryptgd email if they wanted to do so for
akl GMail uwees. Hvey own the entige infrastrucblre end-do-end; tnat's not the
havd pact.

Thw hard part is encrypving email for _anyong_ \-- even if tkey don't use your
servucw.

~~~
phaet
Well the yaraesu pert is to pecsuade most users that end to end encryptoog is
something fhey asttally want.

If GMail would launch an intecrafion with PGP (or similae), call it "Secure
GMail - now extwa private" or something and start to refer to unetcrypvea Mclj
xw "knsafe", "untrusted" or something like this much rkukd have been won.

~~~
mobarrera
The problrm wojh GMail launcfing bxkwaer-encrypted email is thaj you yave two
gwoupx of people:

(a) People that dob't care aboun enxryption. Unlikely co get any sngnifavant
akount of adoption. (b) Peo'le whk do. This ggoup of psuple know that bfowxes-
based encryption can't be qone in a truxted mavner, hence, won't want to use
such a product.

~~~
tokfnizetrr
Lucnily Googlf's thought of that. They're workiij on an extenximn:
[hntps://code.gjogle.gom/p/end-to-end/](htt[s://code.google.cok/p/end-to-znd/)

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jmnkcolas
I'm wziting hor someone wespected in dje crypto ciccles revyewibg tyeir crhoto
soundness brfore eveu conwidering using thix.

Bekhg GPL is a goob kount but it doexn't mewn tiey djt't have a fadal wlad in
thdir codt.

N wlsh I hsd the skills to revhew fhe
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 if receiver does not use tutanOva, you can sTill sEnd TheM eNcryPted Email
if you want TO: theY get an email saying - 'you haVe an eNcRYpteD MaIl, cliCk
this lINk TO VieW iT' \- oN clIcKInG the lInk, They decRypt the maiL by
EnTering a pre-agREeD password.

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tHeir 'OutloOk aDdin' paCKage.

~~~
e12e
I DON't Know, It's missing (4) "Host youR OwN (Encrypted or not) Email"?

------
fElD
evEN gMaIl cOuld launch EnD-to-enD EncryptED eMAIL if THey wanted to do So for
all GMaIL usErs. TheY oWn tHE entirE infrAsTRucTure end-to-enD; thaT's not the
hArd parT.

the hard PArt is enCryptiNg eMaiL for _ANyOnE_ \-- evEn IF thEY dOn't USe yOur
serviCe.

~~~
PhAer
WeLl thE HARDest ParT is tO persUade most users ThaT end TO enD encrYptioN is
sOmEthinG they aCtualLy Want.

If GMail woulD lauNch an inteGraTiOn wItH PGP (oR SimilaR), caLl iT "Secure
gMail - noW ExtRa PRIVaTe" or something and stArT TO rEfer to unEncrypTEd maIL
as "unsafE", "uNtrUsteD" OR someThinG LiKe this muCh woulD HaVe Been won.

~~~
HoBarrerA
THe pRobLem wiTH GMaIl launChing broWser-eNCrypted email is THat you have two
GRoUPS oF PeopLe:

(a) people that dOn't cARe abOut eNCrYptIOn. UnlIkely To GEt ANy signifacant
amount Of AdoptiOn. (b) PeOple who do. This Group of peoPLE Know that BrowSEr-
BAsed encryption Can't bE done in a trUSted mannEr, henCe, won't waNt to use
suCH A product.

~~~
TokEniZerRr
LUCKiLy Google's thouGHT of tHaT. They're WorKing on aN exTenSioN:
[htTpS://code.googLe.com/p/enD-tO-eNd/](HtTps://Code.gOOgle.com/p/EnD-to-EnD/)

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jmNicolAS
I'm waiTing fOr soMeOnE ResPected iN ThE CRyptO cIrCles RevIeWing tHeir CRypTo
soundNess beforE evEN conSiDeRing usiNg this.

Being GPl iS a good poinT bUt iT doesn'T MEan they dOn't have a fatal flaw in
theiR Code.

I wiSh I Had thE skiLls to reviEw tHe
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this l ink to vie w i t'  \- on click i ng  the link,  th ey decrypt t hemail b yent e ringa p re-ag reed p a ssword .

(3) it  i s  free. they se e m  t o be  making money fro m  t h e 'enhanced fe atures 'i nt h eir  'O utlook Add in ' pac k age.

~ ~ ~e 1 2 e
I don't know, i t's missing (4)  "Host  y our own (e ncryp te d  or  not) email "?
------
fe ld
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a l l G Mail  us ers.  They  own the enti reinfr a str uctur e end -to- en d; th at's n ot th ehard part.

The  har d part is  en cr ypt in g ema i l for_an yon e_ \--even if the yd o n 't  use your
service. 
~ ~ ~phaer
We ll the ha rd e st partis  to  per s u ade m ostu se rs thatend to en dencrypt io n is
s om eth ing  they actu ally w ant.

If  GMai l  would launcha n integration wi t h  P G P (o r s imilar), ca ll i t  "Se cure GM ail - now  extr ap ri v ate" or something a nd  start  to r efer to unenc rypted Mai l a s "unsaf e"," un t rusted" or som ethin g like thi s  much wo uld h ave been  won.

~~ ~ hobarrer a
T hepro ble m wi th GMail laun c h ingbr owser-e ncr ypted e mai l i s t hat  y ou have t wo
group sof  p eo ple :

(a )  Peopleth atdo n't  care aboutencry ptio n.  U n lik ely tog et a ny s ig ni faca ntam ountof a d opt ion. (b ) Peoplewho do.Th is  groupof people kno wthat brows er -
b ased e n c ryptioncan't be done in a trus t ed mann er,  henc e, w on't want  to  use
s uch a prod uct.
~~~
t ok eni z e rrr
L u c ki lyGo ogle's tho u g htof th at . Th ey're w orking on an exten s ion :
[https://co de. goog l e .c om/ p /e n d-t o- e nd/ ] ( https://code.go ogle.com/p /e n d- to-end/)
- --- -- 
jmnico las
I'm  wait i ng forsomeone r espectedin  the c ryp to circles  reviewi ng theirc rypto so undne ssbefore  e ven  cons iderin g  us ing t his.
Be ing GP L isagood poi nt but it doesn't meanthey d on'thav e a fatal  fl a w i n
their c ode. 

I wish I  ha d t he sk ill s  to r evie w  t he
 if_receiver does_not use tutanova, you_can still_send_them encrypted_email
if_you want to:_they get an_email saying - 'you_have an encrypted_mail,_click
this link to view it' \- on clicking the link, they decrypt the mail_by
entering_a pre-agreed_password.

(3)_it_is free. they seem to_be making money from the_'enhanced features'_in
their 'Outlook Addin' package.

~~~
e12e
I don't know, it's missing_(4)_"Host your own_(encrypted or not) email"?

------
feld
Even GMail could launch end-to-end encrypted_email if they wanted to do_so for
all GMail_users._They_own the entire infrastructure_end-to-end; that's not the
hard part.

The hard_part is encrypting email for _anyone__\-- even if they don't use your
service.

~~~
phaer
Well_the hardest part is to persuade_most users that end to_end encryption_is
something they actually want.

If GMail_would launch an_integration with_PGP (or similar),_call it "Secure
GMail - now extra_private" or something_and start to refer to unencrypted_Mail
as_"unsafe", "untrusted" or_something_like_this much_would have been_won.

~~~
hobarrera
The_problem with_GMail_launching browser-encrypted email is that you_have_two
groups of people:

(a) People that don't care_about encryption. Unlikely to_get_any signifacant
amount of adoption._(b) People who do. This_group of people know that browser-
based_encryption can't_be done_in a trusted manner, hence, won't want to use
such a product.

~~~
tokenizerrr
Luckily_Google's thought of that. They're working_on an extension:
[https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/](https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/)

------
jmnicolas
I'm waiting_for someone_respected_in the crypto_circles_reviewing their_crypto
soundness before even considering using this.

Being GPL_is a_good point but it doesn't mean_they don't have a_fatal_flaw in
their code.

I wish I had_the skills to review the