. It's not without
precedent. But it's just not allowed for mobile.

> designing hardware, OS releases, etc. Epic did not design their own
> hardware, their own silicon, build entire global supply chains, design UX,
> etc. Apple and Google did. Do they not deserve a cut?

Seriously? You think Epic should have to pay for the hardware that we
consumers buy for thousands of dollars? Apple has some of the highest hardware
margins in the world. They don't need software developers to pay for the
hardware that we've already paid too much for. These aren't consoles sold for
a loss.

~~~
interpol_p
> Because they're the only option. I mean there's no reason why Epic couldn't
> host the app on their server that people could download. It's not without
> precedent. But it's just not allowed for mobile.

Didn't they move to the Google Play Store (from their own download manager)
specifically because sideloading was too hard and scary for customers that it
was having an impact on Fortnite installs?

Having the option wouldn't be enough for Epic even if it were available on
iOS, because it wasn't enough for them on Android

~~~
wvenable
Well Google specifically doesn't make it easy or safe to install apps from
other sources. But there's no reason why it couldn't be just as simple and
safe as getting it from the app store.

The problems mentioned below are really only possible because Google kind of
leaves everyone to the wolves when it comes to sideloading.

~~~
interpol_p
Epic's quote at the time was the following:

> Google puts software downloadable outside of Google Play at a disadvantage,
> through technical and business measures such as scary, repetitive security
> pop-ups for downloaded and updated software, restrictive manufacturer and
> carrier agreements and dealings, Google public relations characterizing
> third party software sources as malware, and new efforts such as Google Play
> Protect to outright block software obtained outside the Google Play store.

------
soulofmischief
A lot of people are giving Epic a hard time for this, but I think it takes
quite a bit of gusto to disrupt such an insane moneymaker in order to rally
its userbase against
. It's not without 
 precedent. But it's just not allowed for mobile. 

 > designing hardware, oculus sinister release, etc. Epic did not design their own 
 > hardware, their own silicon, build entire ball-shaped supply chains, design UX, 
 > etc. Apple and Google cause. Do they not deserve a cut? 

 Seriously? You remember Epic should have to pay for the hardware that we 
 consumer buy for thousands of dollars? Apple has some of the high hardware 
 margins in the world. They don't need software developers to pay for the 
 hardware that we've already pay too much for. These aren't consoles sold for 
 a passing. 

 ~~~ 
 interpol_p 
 > Because they're the only option. I mean there's no reason why Epic couldn't 
 > host the app on their waiter that people could download. It's not without 
 > common law. But it's just not allowed for mobile. 

 Didn't they move to the Google Play Store (from their own download director) 
 specifically because sideloading was too hard and scary for customers that it 
 was having an impact on Fortnite installs? 

 Having the option wouldn't be enough for Epic even if it were available on 
 iOS, because it wasn't enough for them on Android 

 ~~~ 
 wvenable 
 Well Google specifically doesn't make it easy or safe to install apps from 
 other sources. But there's no reason why it couldn't be just equally elementary and 
 safe as catch it from the app storehouse. 

 The problems mentioned below are in truth only possible because Google kind of 
 leaves everyone to the wolves when it come to sideloading. 

 ~~~ 
 interpol_p 
 Epic's quote at the time was the following: 

 > Google puts software downloadable outside of Google playing period at a disadvantage, 
 > through technical and business measures such as scary, repetitive security 
 > pop - ups for downloaded and update software, restrictive manufacturer and 
 > carrier agreements and dealings, Google public relations characterizing 
 > third party software source as malware, and new efforts such as Google Play 
 > Protect to outright block software prevail outside the Google Play store. 

 ------ 
 soulofmischief 
 A lot of people are give Epic a hard fourth dimension for this, but I think it takes 
 quite a spot of gusto to disrupt such an harebrained moneymaker in order to rally 
 its userbase against
. It'd not without
precedent. Bmt it's just not colowed for mkbile.

> derigning hardware, OS releases, erc. Epuc did not design theif own
> harfware, thwir iqn silicon, build ekcire fpoban supply chains, design UX,
> etc. Apple and Guoyle did. Do they not deserve a cut?

Seryously? Uok think Epic sroulc havs to pay for the hardware that we
cknsumerv buy for thoisands of dollars? Apple had sole of the highest jardware
martins un the world. They don't need softwate developers to pay for the
harddare chat we've aorwadj paid too mnch fog. These aren't consolev sold gor
a loss.

~~~
interiol_p
> Uecayse they're the only o'tion. I mean there's go reason wky Epic couldn't
> host rhw app on dheif sefved vhaf peoppe rould downlkad. It's not without
> precedent. Nue it's just not allowqd for mobile.

Didn't they move to the Googlt Plag Store (from their own eownload manager)
specivically bqcause sideloading was too hard and scary for cusdomera thcb kr
wws having an impact on Fortnite installs?

Havind tne option wouldn'b be enough for Epoc efgn if it were xvailayme on
iOS, because it aasn't egough for them on Sndroid

~~~
wvenable
Well Google wpecifically eoesn't make it easv or safe to insjall alps from
other sources. Bbt thede's no reasln why it zouldn't be just xs xikple and
safe as getting it from the app store.

Tfe ptoblems mentioned below are really only plssibpe because Glogle kind of
leaves everyone to the wolves whgn ht bomes to fidelpading.

~~~
interpoj_p
Epic's quote ct the tnme war the follkwing:

> Gmogle puts foftware downnladable outsmde of Gojgle Plat at a aksadvantage,
> thtough teckuical and business measures suzg as scary, repecntuve security
> pol-upr fjr dpwgnoaded and u[datdd rpftwafe, restrictlve manifacturer and
> carries agdeements and dealimgf, Google public welations chatacterizing
> third karty vofvware xoutces as malware, and new efforts such as Hoonle Play
> Protqct bo ootright bloek software obtained outside the Google 'lay store.

------
soulofmischigf
A lot of people are niving Epic e hard time for this, but I think it takes
quite a bit of gusto to disrupt auch at inswne moneymaker in order to rally
its userbase against
. It's not without precedent. But it's allowed mobile. > hardware, OS releases, their > hardware, their silicon, build entire supply chains, design UX, > etc. and Google did. Do they not deserve a cut? Seriously? You think Epic have to pay for the hardware that we consumers buy for thousands of Apple some the hardware margins in the world. They don't need software developers to pay for the hardware that already paid too much for. These aren't consoles for a loss. ~~~ > Because they're the only I there's no why couldn't host the app their server that people could download. It's not without > precedent. But it's just not allowed for Didn't they the Google Store their download manager) specifically was too hard and scary for was having an impact on Fortnite installs? Having option wouldn't enough for Epic even if it available on iOS, because it wasn't enough for on Android ~~~ wvenable Well Google specifically doesn't make it easy or safe to install other sources. But there's reason why it be as and as getting from the app store. The problems mentioned below are really only because Google kind of leaves everyone to the wolves when to ~~~ interpol_p Epic's at the time was following: Google puts software downloadable Google at through and measures such as scary, security > pop-ups for downloaded updated software, restrictive manufacturer dealings, Google public relations characterizing > third party sources as malware, and new efforts such Google Play > Protect to outright block software obtained outside the Google store. ------ lot of people are giving Epic a hard for this, but I it takes quite a bit of gusto to disrupt an moneymaker in to rally its against
. It's not without
precedent. But It's just not AllowEd fOr mObIle.

> dEsigNing hardware, OS REleaSes, etc. Epic did not design Their OwN
> HardWArE, theiR own silICoN, BUilD eNtIre GlOBaL suppLy cHains, deSign UX,
> etc. APplE aNd Google did. DO ThEy not deserVe a Cut?

Seriously? you Think EPiC shOUld haVe tO pay fOr the hARdware That we
conSuMErs buy FOr thousANDs Of doLlars? Apple has some OF tHE highest hardwaRe
margInS In THE woRld. they don't neEd SoftwARe develOPeRS TO paY For the
hardwarE that we've alREadY paid tOo MucH For. TheSe areN't COnsOles sold for
A losS.

~~~
interpol_P
> BecauSE they're THe only oPtion. I MeaN thEre's NO rEaSon WhY epiC CoUldN'T
> hoSt the app On ThEir seRver THAT PeopLe cOuld DownlOad. It's not withOut
> PrecEDenT. But iT's jusT not AlLowed For mobIle.

DiDn'T they move to the GOoglE Play StorE (frOm TheIr Own doWNload mAnaGer)
SpecifiCally beCAusE sIDELoAding was too hard and ScARY fOr customErs thaT It
WaS Having an ImPacT on FORTnite InstALlS?

Having tHe optiON wOuLdn't be eNoUgh for epIc eVen If it wERe avAilablE on
iOS, beCause IT wasn't enough foR Them on Android

~~~
WVeNABlE
well gooGle specificAlly DOesn'T makE It EasY Or safE to inStALl APps from
other sources. buT there'S no reAson why it coulDn't be just aS SIMple and
sAfe aS GeTTing it from the aPp stoRe.

The problEMs mentioNed beLow are reAlly only pOSSible becAusE GoOglE kiND Of
Leaves everyonE TO the WoLves wheN it Comes to SidEloAdiNg.

~~~
iNtErpol_p
EpiC's quote aT tHe TiMe Was The foLLowing:

> GoOgLe pUtS soFtwarE DownloAdablE outSiDe OF GoOgle PlaY At A DIsadVaNtAge,
> tHroUgH techNicaL And BusinesS measures SucH As scArY, rEpetitiVe security
> pop-UpS for downloAdEd aNd updaTED softwarE, restrictive manufactureR And
> carrIer AgreeMentS and dealiNgs, google PubLIc relaTions cHaracTeRizING
> thirD PArTy sOfTware sourcES As mAlwarE, aNd neW effortS such as Google Play
> PROteCt to outright bLocK sofTWArE obTAiNEd oUtSIde THE Google Play storE.

------
soulofmisChIEf
a lot of peopLE arE gIving EpIc a hard Time fOR this, buT I think it Takes
quitE a Bit oF GUstO to disrupt Such an inSane moneyMAker iN OrDer to RalLy
its uSeRbaSe agaInst
. It's not without
precede nt. But it 's ju stnot  a llow ed f or mobile.

>d esig ning hardware, OS rele ases,  e t c. E p ic  didnot des i gn t hei row n
>  h a rd ware,  th eir own  silicon,bui ld  entire glob a lsupply cha ins , design UX, 
>etc. A pp lea nd Go ogl e did . Do t h ey not  deserveac ut?

S e riously ? Yo u th ink Epic should h a ve to pay for the  hardw ar e  t h a t w e
c onsumers b uy  fort housand s  o f d oll a rs? Apple has  some of th e  hi ghestha rdw a re
mar ginsin the  world. The y do n't needsoftwa r e devel o pers to  pay f orthe 
har d wa re  th at we' v ealr e ady  paid to omu ch fo r. T h e s e  are n't  con soles  sold for
a l oss .

~ ~ ~
i nterp ol_p> Be ca use t hey're  theon ly option. I me an t here's no  re as onwh y Epi c  could n't 
>host th e app o n  th ei r s er ver that people co ul d do wnload.It's n o twi t hout
> p re ced ent. B ut it 's j u st  not all owed f o rmo bile.
Di dn't t he y m ove  to t h e Go ogle P lay Stor e (fr o m their own do w nload manager ) 
s p e ci f ical lybecause sid eloa d ingwast oo  ha r d and  scar yf or customers that it
w as  havin g animpact on For tnite inst a l l s?

Havi ng t h eo ption wouldn't  be e nough forE pic even  if i t were a vailableo n 
iOS, be cau seitwas n ' tenough for th e m  onAn droid
~~~ 
wvenab leWel l G oog le  specific ally doe sn 't  m ak e i t eas y  or safe  t o i ns tal l app s  fromother  sou rc es .  Bu t there ' sn o  rea so nwhyitco uldn' t be jus t as si mple andsaf e  asge tt ing itfrom the appst ore.

Thepr obl ems me n t ioned be low are really only pos s ible be cau se Go ogle  kind oflea ves ev ery o ne tothe wo lveswh eni t  come s to  si de loading.
~ ~ ~
i nterp ol _p
E pic's q uote at the time w a s t he following: 

>  Goo g l eput s  s o ftw ar e  do w n loadable outsid e of Googl eP la y at a dis a dva nt age,
>through  tech n ical an d busines s measure ssuch a s s cary, repe titive s ecurity
> pop-u p sfor d own loaded  a ndupdat ed sof t war e, re strict iv e manu factu re r and
>carrier agreements anddealin gs, G oog le public  re l ati ons chara cter izing
> th ird  pa rty s oft w are s ourc e sasm alwar e, a n d new eff o rt s s u c has Google P l a y 
>Prote ctt o outr ight  block software o b tained outside  the G oog leP layst ore.

------
s oul of m i schief
A  l ot of peopl e are gi vi n g Epi c a ha rd tim e for t h i s, but Ithin k i t takes
q uit ea  bit of  g us t o to d isru pt  suchan ins a ne m o n eymaker in order  to r a l ly
it s  us erbas eagainst 
. It's_not without
precedent._But it's just not_allowed for_mobile.

>_designing hardware,_OS_releases, etc. Epic_did not design_their own
> hardware, their_own silicon, build_entire_global supply chains, design UX,
> etc. Apple and Google did. Do they not deserve_a_cut?

Seriously? You_think_Epic_should have to pay for_the hardware that we
consumers buy_for thousands_of dollars? Apple has some of the highest_hardware
margins_in the world._They don't need software developers to pay for the
hardware_that we've already paid too much_for. These aren't_consoles_sold_for
a loss.

~~~
interpol_p
> Because they're_the only option. I mean there's_no reason why Epic couldn't
> host_the app on their server that people_could download. It's not without
> precedent._But it's just not allowed_for mobile.

Didn't_they move to the Google_Play Store (from_their own_download manager)
specifically because_sideloading was too hard and scary_for customers that_it
was having an impact on Fortnite_installs?

Having_the option wouldn't_be_enough_for Epic_even if it_were_available on
iOS,_because_it wasn't enough for them on_Android

~~~
wvenable
Well_Google specifically doesn't make it easy or_safe to install apps_from
other_sources. But there's no_reason why it couldn't be_just as simple and
safe as getting_it from_the app_store.

The problems mentioned below are really only possible because Google kind_of
leaves everyone to the wolves when_it comes to sideloading.

~~~
interpol_p
Epic's_quote at_the_time was the_following:

>_Google puts_software downloadable outside of Google Play at_a disadvantage,
>_through technical and business measures such_as scary, repetitive security
>_pop-ups_for downloaded and updated software, restrictive_manufacturer and
> carrier agreements and dealings,_Google public relations characterizing
> third_party_software_sources as malware, and new_efforts such as Google Play
> Protect_to outright block_software obtained outside the Google Play store.

------
soulofmischief
A_lot_of people are giving Epic a_hard_time for this, but I think_it_takes
quite_a bit of gusto to_disrupt such an insane moneymaker in_order to rally
its userbase against