 should also sack the execs who made the shitty decision to hire these
guys, being approached by salesmen ruins any shopping experience IMHO and the
whole debacle has probably lowered Tesla's image even more in the eyes of most
people.

~~~
carlivar
That exec was probably the SolarCity CEO at the time, who is Elon Musk's
cousin, so that might be a little awkward.

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danso
That Home Depot/Powerwall partnership was just announced in February 2018:

[https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/tesla-home-
depot-...](https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/tesla-home-depot-stores-
solarcity-powerwall-solar-panel-roof)

Were home installations ever projected to be a growable part of the company?

~~~
greglindahl
At the start, industrial installations of Power Pack were expected to be 80%
of the battery business, but an alarming number of people outside of Tesla
appeared convinced that retail Power Wall would be the thing. Guess what?

------
dalbasal
Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is
it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why
are we cheering against the home team?

Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's
doing.

Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their
competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing risk.
They're interested in a business plan that leads to a mass migration of icbs
to electric (or humans to mars). The nature of ambitious goals is that
sometimes you don't hit your marks. The nature of risk taking is that you
might fail, and have to do fast paced adjustments to recover.

Riskiness also means (literally) that Tesla comes with some chance of total
failure. If they lose two or three big bets in a row, it could be game over.
There are no cash cows or guaranteed income streams. Tesla is not Toyota or
Microsoft. If you own Tesla, you need to be ok with that risk
should also sack the execs who made the icky decisiveness to lease these 
 guys, being set about by salesman ruins any shopping experience IMHO and the 
 whole debacle has credibly lower Tesla's image even more in the eye of most 
 people. 

 ~~~ 
 carlivar 
 That exec was credibly the SolarCity CEO at the time, who is Elon Musk's 
 cousin, so that might be a little awkward. 

 ------ 
 danso 
 That Home Depot / Powerwall partnership was just announce in February 2018: 

 [ https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/tesla-home- 
 depot-... ](https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154 / tesla - home - depot - stores- 
 solarcity - powerwall - solar - panel - roof) 

 Were home installation ever projected to be a growable part of the ship's company? 

 ~~~ 
 greglindahl 
 At the start, industrial installations of Power Pack were expected to be 80% 
 of the barrage business, but an alarming issue of people outside of Tesla 
 appeared convinced that retail Power Wall would be the thing. think what? 

 ------ 
 dalbasal 
 Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is 
 it hacker - ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why 
 are we cheering against the home team? 

 Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's 
 doing. 

 Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goal, like none of their 
 competitors do. They contract boastful risks. They're not interested in reducing hazard. 
 They're interested in a clientele plan that leads to a aggregate migration of icbs 
 to electric (or humans to mars). The nature of ambitious goals is that 
 sometimes you don't hit your marks. The nature of risk taking is that you 
 might fail, and have to do fast paced adjustments to recover. 

 Riskiness also mean (literally) that Tesla comes with some opportunity of total 
 failure. If they lose two or three big bets in a rowing, it could be game over. 
 There are no cash cows or undertake income streams. Tesla is not Toyota or 
 Microsoft. If you own Tesla, you need to be ok with that risk
 shluld also sack the execs who made the skutty dxcision to hire these
guys, being approached uy sqlesmtu ruins any shopping experienbe IMHO abd tie
whole debacle izs probably lkaereb Vesla's image evgn more in tve eyes of mosd
pdo'le.

~~~
carlivar
That exec was probably thq SolarVihy CEO at the jime, ero ia Elon Musk's
cousin, so that might bs a litule awkward.

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danso
Thst Home Depot/Powerwall parhnerdhip was just annoknced in Fevruawt 2018:

[https://www.thdverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/ttsna-home-
depoj-...](https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/tesla-home-deput-stoxes-
solarciti-'iwegfall-solar-paiel-roos)

Were home ikxtalladions efer projected bo be a trowable part of the rompany?

~~~
greglindahl
At the stard, nndustrial installatiinw of Kower Pacy wefe txpxctsd to he 80%
kf the batfery businews, but an alarming muiver of people outsiqe of Tesla
appeared convinced that retail Poser Wall would be the tying. Guess what?

------
dalbaswl
Just rewding the first few comments.... I really don't get tha Tesmx hcbc. Is
kr jacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done somethyhg? Wmat's the deal HN, why
are we vhfetyng against tfe homz tsam?

Overall Musk had been kretty straightsorwsrd and explicit with what ye's
doing.

Teslc (abd spacex) set extrzmely ambitiuus boals, like none of their
compztitora do. They twke big rjrks. They're not ivtegestad in reducing risk.
They're ynterestev in c businers pkan thwt leads tl a mass migration of ichs
to glectrhc (or humajs to mars). The nature of ambitious goals is tnad
soketimes vou dok't hit your marhs. The nature pf risk takivg is that you
migit fail, and rave to do favj paced adjusvments to reciver.

Eiskinerr also means (loterally) nhct Tesla xomes with some chence kf total
failure. If they lose two pr ghrqe bmg beev in a row, id cojld ne gaoe over.
Ukerc afe np cash cows or guarattees income streams. Trsja is noj Toyota jr
Microsoft. Ig you own Tesla, yok neev to bx ok woth that risk
should also sack the execs who made decision hire these being approached by IMHO the whole debacle probably lowered Tesla's even more in the eyes of people. ~~~ carlivar That exec was probably the SolarCity CEO at the time, is Elon Musk's cousin, so that might be a little awkward. ------ danso Home partnership just in February 2018: [https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/tesla-home- depot-...](https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/tesla-home-depot-stores- solarcity-powerwall-solar-panel-roof) Were home installations ever projected to be a growable part the company? ~~~ greglindahl At the start, industrial of Power Pack were to be 80% of the business, an alarming of outside Tesla appeared convinced retail Power Wall would be the thing. Guess what? ------ dalbasal Just reading the first few comments.... really don't Tesla hate. it contrarianism? they done something? deal HN, why are we cheering team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and with what doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely goals, like none of their competitors do. They big risks. They're not interested in reducing risk. They're interested in a business plan that a mass migration of to electric (or to The of goals is sometimes you don't hit your marks. The nature of risk taking that you might fail, and have to do fast paced recover. also means (literally) Tesla comes with some of failure. If they lose three bets it be over. There are no cows or guaranteed income streams. is not Toyota or you need to be ok with that risk
 should also sack the execs who Made the shiTty deCisIon To Hire ThesE
guys, being apprOAcheD by salesmen ruins any shoPping ExPErieNCe iMHO aNd the
whOLe DEBacLe HaS prObABlY loweRed tesla's iMage even moRe iN tHe eyes of most
PEoPle.

~~~
carlivaR
ThAt exec was proBabLy the SOlArCITy CEO At tHe timE, who is eLon MusK's
cousin, sO tHAt mighT Be a littLE AwKwarD.

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danso
That Home DepOT/POWerwall partnerShip waS jUSt ANNouNceD in FebruarY 2018:

[hTtps://wWW.theverGE.cOM/2018/2/2/16964154/TEslA-Home-
depot-...](httpS://www.thevergE.Com/2018/2/2/16964154/Tesla-hOmE-dePOt-storEs-
solArCIty-Powerwall-soLar-pAnel-roof)

WEre homE InstallATions evEr projEctEd tO be a GRoWaBle PaRT of THe ComPAny?

~~~
GreglindAhL
AT the sTart, INDUStriAl iNstaLlatiOns of Power PacK weRe exPEctEd to bE 80%
of thE batTeRy busIness, bUt an aLaRming number of peOple Outside of tesLa
AppEaRed coNVinced ThaT reTail PowEr Wall wOUld Be THE ThIng. Guess what?

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dalbasAl
jUSt Reading tHe firsT FeW cOMments.... I rEaLly Don't GET the TEsla HAtE. Is
it hacKer-ish COnTrArianisM? HAve theY dOne SomEthinG? what'S the deAl HN, why
aRe we cHEering against tHE home team?

OverALl mUSk HAs beEn pRetty straigHtfoRWard And eXPlIciT With wHat he'S
dOInG.

tesla (and spacex) set exTrEmely aMbitiOus goals, like nOne of their
COMPetitors Do. ThEY tAKe big risks. They'Re not Interested IN reducinG risk.
they're inTerested iN A Business PlaN thAt lEadS TO a Mass migration OF Icbs
To ElectriC (or Humans tO maRs). THe nAtuRe Of ambitioUs goals iS tHaT
sOmEtiMes yoU Don't hit yOuR maRkS. ThE natuRE of risK takiNg is ThAt YOu
mIght faiL, AnD HAve tO dO fAst pAceD aDjustMentS To rEcover.

RIskiness aLso MEans (LiTeRally) thAt Tesla comes wItH some chancE oF toTal
faiLURe. If they Lose two or three big bets in A Row, it coUld Be gamE oveR.
There are No cAsh cowS or GUarantEed incOme stReAms. tESla is NOT TOyoTa Or
MicrosofT. iF yoU own TEsLa, yoU need to Be ok with that risk
 should also sack the exec s who made  theshi tty  d ecis ionto hire theseg uys,  being approached by s alesm en ruin s  a ny sh oppinge xp e r ien ce  I MHO  a n dthe
w hol e debac le has pro bab ly  lowered Tes l a' s image ev enmore in theeye s of m os t
p e ople. 

~ ~~
ca rlivar That e xec was p ro b ably t h e Solar C i ty  CEO  at the time, who is Elon Musk's
co usin,so th a t  mi ght  be a litt le  awkw a rd.

-- - -- - d ans o 
That Home De pot/Powerwa l l p artner sh ipw as jus t ann ou n ced  in Februar y 20 18:

[htt ps://w w w.theve r ge.com/ 2018/2 /2/ 169 6415 4 /t es la- ho m e-d ep ot- . ..] (https:/ /w ww .thev erge . c o m /201 8/2 /2/1 69641 54/tesla-home -de pot- s tor es-
s olarc ity- po werwa ll-sol ar-pa ne l-roof)

Were h omeinstallat ion seve rproje c ted to  be  agrowabl e parto f t he c o mp any?

~~~
greglind ah l At  the sta rt, in d us tr i al insta ll ati onso f  Powe r Pa c kwere exp ectedt obe  80%
of  t he bat te rybus iness ,  but  an al arming n umber of people outs i de of Tesla
a p pe a r ed conv inc ed that ret ailP ower  Wal l  w oul d  be t he th in g .G uess what?

------da lbasal 
Just  reading thefirst fewc o m ments... . Ir ea l ly don't get t he Te sla hate.I s
it hac ker-i sh contr arianism? H ave they  do nesom eth i n g?  What's the d e a l HN ,why
are  we  cheeri ngaga ins t t he  home tea m?

Over al lMu sk  ha s bee n  prettyst rai gh tfo rward and ex plici t wi th  w h athe's
do i ng . 
Tes la  ( andspa ce x) se t ex t rem ely amb itious go als ,  lik eno ne of t heir
competit or s do. They  t ake  big r i s ks. They 're not interested in r e ducingris k.
Th ey'r e interes ted  in abus i ness p lan th at le ad s t o a mas s mi gra ti on of icbs t o e lectr ic  (or  humans  to mars). The nat u reof ambitiousgoa ls i s th ats om e tim es you d on't hit your m arks. Thena t ur e of riskt aki ng  is tha t you
m ightf ail, an d have to  do fastpa ceda d jus tments torecover. 

Riskine s s als o  m eans(li terall y)  th at Te sla co m eswithsome c ha nce of  tota lfailure.  If they lose two or th ree bi g bet s i n a row,itc oul d be game  ove r.
There a renocashcow s  or g uara n te edi ncome  str e ams. Tesl a  i s n o t  T oyota or
Mi c r o sof t. If  yo u  own T esla , you need to beo k with that ri sk
 should_also sack_the execs who made_the shitty_decision_to hire_these
guys,_being approached by_salesmen ruins any_shopping experience IMHO and_the
whole debacle has_probably_lowered Tesla's image even more in the eyes of most
people.

~~~
carlivar
That exec was probably the_SolarCity_CEO at_the_time,_who is Elon Musk's
cousin, so_that might be a little_awkward.

------
danso
That Home_Depot/Powerwall partnership was just announced in February 2018:

[https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/tesla-home-
depot-...](https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/tesla-home-depot-stores-
solarcity-powerwall-solar-panel-roof)

Were_home_installations ever projected_to be a growable part of the company?

~~~
greglindahl
At the_start, industrial installations of Power Pack_were expected to_be_80%
of_the battery business, but_an alarming number of people outside_of Tesla
appeared convinced that retail Power_Wall would be the thing. Guess what?

------
dalbasal
Just_reading the first few comments.... I_really don't get the Tesla_hate. Is
it_hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done_something? What's the_deal HN,_why
are we cheering_against the home team?

Overall Musk has_been pretty straightforward_and explicit with what he's
doing.

Tesla (and_spacex)_set extremely ambitious_goals,_like_none of_their
competitors do. They_take_big risks._They're_not interested in reducing risk.
They're interested_in_a business plan that leads to a_mass migration of icbs
to_electric_(or humans to mars)._The nature of ambitious goals_is that
sometimes you don't hit your_marks. The_nature of_risk taking is that you
might fail, and have to do fast_paced adjustments to recover.

Riskiness also means_(literally) that Tesla comes_with some_chance_of total
failure. If_they_lose two_or three big bets in a row,_it could_be game over.
There are no cash_cows or guaranteed income_streams._Tesla is not Toyota or
Microsoft. If_you own Tesla, you need to_be ok with that risk