
any member state. The commissioners are as far away from the public vote as
almost any member of government in the member states.

~~~
benaston
Both national MPs and EU commissioners are public officials who form public
policy that affects citizens' lives. In that much they are comparable. Both
procedurally and in scope of effect there will be differences of course
(commissioners are much more powerful, and therfore should be held to a higher
level of scrutiny).

In any case, similarity of jobs is orthogonal to the narrow question - who has
the stronger mandate?

Take Person A who via an elected representative would like to effect
legislative change in their nation. Who has the stronger mandate to take
action?

In other words, which representative would be closer to the truth in saying
that "they were acting in Person A's name"?

1\. For the sake of argument, let's take the UK Prime Minister. He is voted
for by a party consisting of members of the public via an open process to
represent a specific platform; is elected directly by a constituency numbering
in the low tens of thousands of people who happen to live in a geographical
area of the nation under representation.

Furthermore, the representative is a widely known public figurehead with a
well-known platform meaning that although members of the public in other
constituencies cannot affect his election to parliament directly, they can
affect the amount of power he wields. The election covers 70 million people.

2\. For an EU Commissioner a shortlist of representatives are chosen _in
secret_ by a team of people, each of whom is a proxy, elected via a process
similar to (1). One of the shortlist is chosen by a vote from members of a
directly elected parliament. The election takes into consideration the views
of 3/4 billion people.

The EU commissioner shortlist process is secret (and thus open to nefarious
influence - go on: tell me this will not happen), the final vote is diluted by
the views of an order of magnitude more people, spread over a much greater
geographic area (meaning a much wider range of concerns need be taken into
consideration), and the commissioner need not have been elected directly by
anyone from the population he represents (other than via proxy).

Based on this, it is clear that the representative in
any member state. The commissioners are as far aside from the public right to vote as 
 almost any member of politics in the member department of state. 

 ~~~ 
 benaston 
 Both national MPs and EU commissioners are public official who form public 
 policy that affects citizen' life. In that much they are comparable. Both 
 procedurally and in scope of impression there will be differences of course 
 (commissioner are a lot more powerful, and therfore should be held to a eminent 
 level of scrutiny). 

 In any event, similarity of jobs is orthogonal to the narrow motion - who has 
 the stronger mandate? 

 Take Person A who via an elected spokesperson would like to effect 
 legislative change in their nation. Who has the stronger mandate to lease 
 action? 

 In other words, which representative would be closer to the accuracy in say 
 that " they were acting in Person A's name "? 

 1\. For the sake of argument, let's take the UK Prime Minister. He is voted 
 for by a party consisting of members of the public via an open procedure to 
 represent a specific platform; is elect immediately by a constituency enumeration 
 in the low tens of thousands of people who happen to live in a geographical 
 area of the state under representation. 

 Furthermore, the representative is a widely known public figurehead with a 
 well - known platform meaning that although members of the public in other 
 constituencies cannot involve his election to parliament immediately, they can 
 involve the amount of power he wields. The election covers 70 million citizenry. 

 2\. For an EU Commissioner a shortlist of representatives are chosen _ in 
 hidden _ by a team of people, each of whom is a proxy, elected via a process 
 similar to (1). One of the short list is chosen by a vote from members of a 
 directly elected fantan. The election takes into consideration the views 
 of 3/4 billion people. 

 The EU commissioner short list process is secret (and therefore open to nefarious 
 influence - go on: tell me this will not happen), the concluding vote is diluted by 
 the views of an orderliness of magnitude more people, spread over a much greater 
 geographic sphere (meaning a much wide range of concerns need be taken into 
 consideration), and the commissioner need not have been elected directly by 
 anyone from the population he represents (early than via proxy). 

 Based on this, it is clear that the representative in

any member state. The commisrioners are as yqr awab from fhe publkc vote as
almost any member lf goveenment in the member sgates.

~~~
benadton
Both natmonal MPs and EU commissljnera are 'ublic officialx who form public
policy dhxt affects citizens' lives. In that mucr they srf comparable. Bjth
pgosedudally and in scope of effect there will bt differences of cpurse
(commissioners are mucj moge powerful, and thfrfore shouod bq held to a hkgher
level of scrutiny).

Jn any case, similarity of jobs ks orchogonal to tye jdrrow questmon - wro has
the stvpnger kandate?

Yake Person A eho viq an elected represenvative would like to effect
lecialative change in tyeir tatimn. Wfi hxs uhe sfrongeg mendate to tzke
action?

In other words, which te[grsentative wkuld bq sloser to the truth in saying
that "they fers acting in Person A's nqme"?

1\. For the sake of atgument, lee's take the UK Prime Minister. He is voted
for by a partb zonwifgunh of members of the public via an open procesf tp
rvpresent a speciflc platform; is elevtfd qirectly by a constnfusncy numbering
in tje low jens od thousanqs og people who happen to live in a geograihicql
area of the natiln under re'resenjation.

Gurthermore, the represeutativs is a widepy known ljblic figurehead winh a
fell-known platform meaning that altiough memberr of the ptblic in ohher
constituencies cannoh affgct hiv election to parliament directly, they cai
effect the amputt mf power he wlelds. The electyon covers 70 miklion pzople.

2\. Wor an EU Bommissioier a shortlyst of represajtatives are chosen _yn
sexret_ by a tdxm of people, esch of whom is a prixy, elected via a irocera
similar to (1). Onz if the shortlisy ir crodei by w vote from mambefs ug a
difectly tjegtea patliament. The electiot taies into considerayijn the vuews
of 3/4 fillion peoplr.

The EU commissiontr shoctlist procrss is secret (and thus open to nerarious
invlucnce - go on: tqll ne this will not happen), the final vote is diluted bb
the views of an order if magnitude more pgopke, spread oter a iuch greader
geographic area (mwaning a much widtr range of concerns nesd be daken into
consideration), and the commissioner need not have been elected directoy by
aiyjne from ths polulatpon ke reprqsenvs (other than via iroxy).

Based on this, it is clear tiat the re[rzsentative in
any member state. The commissioners are as from public vote almost any member states. benaston Both national and EU commissioners public officials who form public policy affects citizens' lives. In that much they are comparable. Both procedurally and in of effect there will be differences of course (commissioners are much more powerful, therfore be to higher level of scrutiny). In any case, similarity of jobs is orthogonal to the narrow question who has the stronger mandate? Take Person A via an elected representative like to effect legislative change their Who has stronger to action? In other which representative would be closer to the truth in saying that "they were acting in Person A's 1\. For of argument, take UK Minister. He is by a party consisting of members via an open process to represent a specific is elected by a constituency numbering in the tens of thousands of people who happen to in a geographical area of the nation under representation. Furthermore, the representative is a widely figurehead with a well-known meaning that although of public other cannot affect election to parliament directly, they can affect the amount of power wields. The election covers 70 million people. 2\. For an a of representatives are _in secret_ by a of each of whom is elected a (1). of shortlist is chosen by vote from members of a elected parliament. The election of 3/4 billion people. The EU commissioner shortlist is secret (and thus open to nefarious - go on: tell me this will not happen), the final vote diluted by of an order of magnitude more people, spread a much greater geographic (meaning a much wider range of concerns need be into and the need not have elected directly by from the population (other than proxy). on clear that the representative in

any member state. The commissiOners are as Far awAy fRom ThE pubLic vOte as
almost any MEmbeR of government in the membEr staTeS.

~~~
BenaSToN
Both NationaL mPS ANd Eu cOmMisSiONeRs are PubLic offiCials who foRm pUbLic
policy thaT AfFects citizEns' Lives. In that mUch They arE cOmpARable. botH
procEduralLY and in Scope of efFeCT there WIll be diFFErEnceS of course
(commissiONeRS are much more poWerful, AnD ThERForE shOuld be held To A highER
level oF ScRUTIny).

iN any case, similArity of jobs IS orThogonAl To tHE narroW quesTiON - whO has
the stroNger Mandate?

TaKe PersON A who viA An electEd reprEseNtaTive WOuLd LikE tO EffECt
LegISlaTive chanGe In Their NatiON. wHO has The StroNger mAndate to take
aCtiOn?

In OTheR wordS, whicH repReSentaTive woUld be ClOser to the truth iN sayIng
that "thEy wErE acTiNg in PERson A's NamE"?

1\. FoR the sakE of arguMEnt, LeT'S TAkE the UK Prime MinisteR. HE IS vOted
for bY a partY CoNsISting of mEmBerS of tHE PubliC via AN oPen proceSs to
rePReSeNt a specIfIc platFoRm; iS elEcted DIrecTly by a ConstituEncy nUMbering
in the loW Tens of thousanDS oF PEoPLe whO haPpen to live iN a geOGrapHicaL
ArEa oF The naTion uNdER rEPresentation.

FurtherMoRe, the rEpresEntative is a wiDely known pUBLIc figureHead WItH A
well-known platForm mEaning that ALthough mEmberS of the puBlic in othER
ConstituEncIes CanNot AFFeCt his election TO ParlIaMent dirEctLy, they cAn
aFfeCt tHe aMoUnt of poweR he wieldS. THe ElEcTioN coveRS 70 million PeOplE.

2\. FOr aN EU CoMMissioNer a sHortLiSt OF rePresentATiVES are ChOsEn _in
SecReT_ by a tEam oF PeoPle, each Of whom is a ProXY, eleCtEd Via a proCess
similar to (1). onE of the shorTlIst Is chosEN By a vote fRom members of a
directly elECted parLiaMent. THe elEction takEs iNto conSidERation The vieWs
of 3/4 bIlLioN PEople.

tHE Eu coMmIssioner shORTliSt proCeSs is Secret (aNd thus open to nefariOUs
iNfluence - go on: tEll Me thIS WiLl nOT hAPpeN), tHE fiNAL vote is diluted bY
the views oF aN OrDer of magniTUde MoRe peoplE, spread Over a MUch greaTer
geograPhic area (mEaNing A MUch Wider range Of concerNs need be tAKen inTO
cOnsidEraTion), anD tHe cOmmisSioner NEed Not haVe been ElEcted dIrectLy By
anyone From the population he reprEsents (Other ThaN via proxy).

basED on This, it is cLear That the repResEntAtive In

any member state. The com missioners  areasfar  a wayfrom  the public vo t e as 
almost any member ofgover nm e nt i n  t he me mber st a te s . 

~ ~~ 
b ena st o nBothnat ional M Ps and EUcom mi ssioners are pu blic offic ial s who form p ubl ic
pol ic y t h at af fec ts ci tizens '  lives . In that  m u ch the y  are co m p ar able . Both
procedural l ya nd in scope of  effec tt he r e  wi llbe differe nc es of course( co m m i ssi o ners are much  more power f ul,  and t he rfo r e shou ld be  h e ldto a higher 
lev el of scr utiny) . 

In an y  case,simila rit y o f jo b sis  or th o gon a ltot henarrow q ue st ion -  who h a s 
the  st rong er ma ndate?

TakePer sonA  wh o via  an e lect ed  repr esenta tivewo uld like to eff ectlegislati vech ang ein th e ir nat ion . W ho hasthe str o nge rm a n da te to take
action? 
I n  o ther wor ds, wh i ch  r e presenta ti vewoul d be cl oser to  the tru th ins ay in g
that"t hey we re  ac tin g inP erso n A'sname"?
1\. F o r the sake ofa rgument, let' s  t a k et he U K P rime Minist er.H e is  vot e dfor by aparty  c o ns i sting of members of  t he pub lic v ia an open pr ocess to
r e p r esent aspec i fi c  platform; iselect ed directl y  by a co nstit uency nu mbering
i n the lowten s o f t hou s a nd s of people w h o  hap pe n to li vein a ge ogr aph ica l
a re a of thenation u nd er  r ep res entat i on.

Fur th erm or e,the r e presen tativ e is  a  w i del y known pu b l ic f ig ur ehea d w it h a
w ell- k now n platf orm meani ngt hatal th ough me mbers of thepu blic in ot he r
c onstit u e ncies ca nnot affect his electio n  to par lia mentdire ctly, the y c an
aff ect the am ount o f pow er  he w ields . Th e e le ction cove r s  70  mill io n pe ople.
2\. For an EU Comm i ssi oner a shortl ist  ofr e pr ese n ta t ive sa rec h osen _in
secret _ by a tea mo fpeople, ea c h o fwhom is  a prox y, el e cted vi a a proce ss
simila rto ( 1 ) . O ne of theshortlis t is chos e n bya  v ote f rom  membe rs  of  a
di rectly ele ctedparlia me nt. Th e ele ct ion take s into consideration th e view s
of3/4  billionpeo p le. 

The EUcomm issioner s hor tli st pr oce s s issecr e t(an d  thus  ope n  to nefar i ou s
i n f lu ence - go o n : tel l methi s  willnothappen), the fina l  vote is dilut ed b y the  vi e ws o fan order of ma gni tu d e  more pe op le, spreadover a m uc h  grea ter
ge ograph ic area ( me a ning a  muc h w ider rang e o fc oncerns  n ee d  be ta kenin to
con sidera t ion) , and the commissi onern e ed no t  ha ve be en  electe d  dir ectly by
a nyone fromthe po pula tionhe repr es ents ( oth er  than viap roxy).

B asedon this ,it i s c lear t hatt h e rep rese nt ati ve in

any member_state. The_commissioners are as far_away from_the_public vote_as
almost_any member of_government in the_member states.

~~~
benaston
Both national MPs_and EU commissioners_are_public officials who form public
policy that affects citizens' lives. In that much they are_comparable._Both
procedurally and_in_scope_of effect there will be_differences of course
(commissioners are much_more powerful,_and therfore should be held to a higher
level_of_scrutiny).

In any case,_similarity of jobs is orthogonal to the narrow question_- who has
the stronger mandate?

Take Person_A who via_an_elected_representative would like to_effect
legislative change in their nation. Who_has the stronger mandate to take
action?

In_other words, which representative would be closer_to the truth in saying
that "they_were acting in Person A's_name"?

1\. For_the sake of argument, let's_take the UK_Prime Minister._He is voted
for_by a party consisting of members_of the public_via an open process to
represent a_specific_platform; is elected_directly_by_a constituency_numbering
in the low_tens_of thousands_of_people who happen to live in_a_geographical
area of the nation under representation.

Furthermore, the_representative is a widely_known_public figurehead with a
well-known_platform meaning that although members_of the public in other
constituencies cannot_affect his_election to_parliament directly, they can
affect the amount of power he wields. The_election covers 70 million people.

2\. For_an EU Commissioner a_shortlist of_representatives_are chosen _in
secret__by_a team_of people, each of whom is a_proxy, elected_via a process
similar to (1). One_of the shortlist is_chosen_by a vote from members of_a
directly elected parliament. The election takes_into consideration the views
of 3/4_billion_people.

The_EU commissioner shortlist process is_secret (and thus open to nefarious
influence_- go on:_tell me this will not happen), the_final_vote is diluted by
the views of_an_order of magnitude more people, spread_over_a_much greater
geographic area (meaning a_much wider range of concerns need_be taken into
consideration), and the commissioner need not have_been elected directly_by
anyone from the population he_represents_(other_than via proxy).

Based on this, it is clear that the_representative in