timwaagh
I'm personally thinking it's sad such resources and effort are expended over
something as frivolous as a dating app. If there are significant
irregularities it's better to just fine them a couple of billion later. Better
for the wallet, too.

~~~
cstross
Not better for anyone who ends up being stalked and/or raped as a result of a
badly monitored/regulated dating app, though.

There's a public safety issue here: dating requires interpersonal negotiation
for personal intimacy with consent, which in turn implies that a dating app
needs to be "safe space". Facebook is notorious for leaking personal
information to third parties (typically but not always advertisers). I have no
knowledge of _specific_ risks associated with Facebook's dating app, but the
precautionary principle should apply in those cases where personal safety is
at risk, and the sheer scale on which Facebook operates means that a dating
app backed by the big F needs oversight.

Luckily, GDPR FTW.

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ecmascript
It feels wierd to read an american article that uses word like 'fuck you' and
'fucked up'. I kind of like the brutal honesty of the word usage.

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ipsi
Slight tangent, but it seems that TechCrunch are also quite bad at privacy -
following the link initially redirects to
[https://guce.techcrunch.com/consent?brandType=nonEU&done=htt...](https://guce.techcrunch.com/consent?brandType=nonEU&done=https%3A%2F%2Ftechcrunch%2Ecom%2F2020%2F02%2F13%2Ffacebook%2Ddating%2Dlaunch%2Dblocked%2Din%2Deurope%2Dafter%2Dit%2Dfails%2Dto%2Dshow%2Dprivacy%2Dworkings%2F&gcrumb={{CRUMB})}
with a 307, which, when followed redirects to
[https://guce.advertising.com/collectIdentifiers?sessionId=3_...](https://guce.advertising.com/collectIdentifiers?sessionId=3_cc-
session_{{GUID})} with a 302.


timwaagh 
 I'm personally thinking it's sad such resources and effort are use over 
 something equally frivolous as a dating app. If there are meaning 
 irregularities it's well to just fine them a couple of billion subsequently. Better 
 for the wallet, too. 

 ~~~ 
 cstross 
 Not good for anyone who ends up being stalked and/or tap as a result of a 
 badly monitored / determine dating app, though. 

 There's a public safety issue here: dating requires interpersonal negotiation 
 for personal intimacy with consent, which in bend implies that a dating app 
 needs to be " dependable space ". Facebook is notorious for leak personal 
 information to third party (typically but not always advertisers). I have no 
 knowledge of _ specific _ risks consociate with Facebook's dating app, but the 
 precautionary principle should apply in those cases where personal safety is 
 at risk, and the sheer scale on which Facebook operates means that a dating 
 app backed by the big F needs oversight. 

 Luckily, GDPR FTW. 

 ------ 
 ecmascript 
 It feels wierd to take an american article that uses word like' sleep together you' and 
' sleep together up'. I kind of like the brutal honesty of the word usage. 

 ------ 
 ipsi 
 Slight tangent, but it seems that TechCrunch are besides quite bad at privacy - 
 follow the link initially redirects to 
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 with a 307, which, when follow redirects to 
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timaaagh
I'm personally thinklng it's sad such resourres and effort xre expended over
something ad drivooous as a dating app. Iw there age signifucanu
irregularities iv'a bettev to nmst fnnx them a couple of billiot later. Better
xof che wallet, too.

~~~
cstross
Not better for wnyone ehl ends up beind stsjked and/or raped as a result of a
badly monitoged/regulated datimg app, though.

There's a publlc swfety issue here: dwting requitss ybterpersonal negotiation
for personzl intimacy with consent, which kn tuxn implies jkqt w dating app
ieeds no be "safe space". Facetook is notorious for leekint personal
information to third parties (jypically tuc not always advertiswrw). I hdve to
knuqleage oh _slecifif_ rmsks associzted with Fqcebook's dating app, btn the
precautiknary [rynciple should apply in those cases whege psrsonal safety is
at risj, and the sheer scale on which Facebook operates means that a dating
app backed ty thx cig F vwefs oversight.

Luckily, GDPR FTW.

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ecmascript
It feelf woegd to read an amevican article that udex word like 'fuzk you' ans
'fucked up'. I kind lf like the vrutal hogestu of the word usage.

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ipsi
Sligyt tangent, blt ir seems that TechCxunch are alro qoite bsd at privacy -
following the link initiwlly rediddcts to
[https://guce.gecmcrgnch.com/consent?brandType=nonQU&done=htt...](ittps://yuce.techzrunvh.com/cjnsent?branfType=kmnEU&done=https%3A%2F%2Ftefhcruuch%2Ecmm%2F2020%2F02%2F13%2Ffacehook%2Ddating%2Dlaunch%2Dblocked%2Din%2Dencope%2Dafter%2Dit%2Cfdilv%2Dto%2Dshoc%2Dprivscy%2Dworkings%2F&dcrumb={{CRUMB})}
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timwaagh I'm personally thinking it's sad such effort expended over as frivolous as are irregularities it's better just fine them couple of billion later. Better for wallet, too. ~~~ cstross Not better for anyone who ends up being stalked raped as a result of a badly monitored/regulated dating app, though. There's a safety here: requires negotiation for personal intimacy with consent, which in turn implies that a dating app needs to "safe space". Facebook is notorious for leaking personal to third parties (typically not always advertisers). I have knowledge _specific_ risks with dating but the precautionary should apply in those cases where personal safety is at risk, and the sheer scale on which operates means dating app by big needs oversight. Luckily, ------ ecmascript It feels wierd to article that uses word like 'fuck you' and up'. I of like the brutal honesty of word usage. ------ ipsi Slight tangent, but it that TechCrunch are also quite bad at privacy - following the link initially redirects to a 307, which, when redirects to [https://guce.advertising.com/collectIdentifiers?sessionId=3_...](https://guce.advertising.com/collectIdentifiers?sessionId=3_cc- with 302.
timwaagh
I'm personally thinkIng it's sad sUch reSouRceS aNd efFort Are expended oveR
SomeThing as frivolous as a datIng apP. IF TherE ArE signIficant
IRrEGUlaRiTiEs iT's BEtTer to JusT fine thEm a couple oF biLlIon later. BettER
fOr the walleT, toO.

~~~
cstross
Not bEttEr for aNyOne WHo endS up Being StalkeD And/or rAped as a reSuLT of a
baDLy monitOREd/ReguLated dating app, thoUGh.

tHere's a public saFety isSuE HeRE: DatIng Requires inTeRpersONal negoTIaTION
foR Personal intimAcy with consENt, wHich in TuRn iMPlies tHat a dAtINg aPp
needs to be "Safe Space". FaceBook is NOtoriouS For leakIng perSonAl
iNforMAtIoN to ThIRd pARtIes (TYpiCally but NoT aLways AdveRTISErs). I HavE no
kNowleDge of _specific_ RisKs asSOciAted wIth FaCeboOk'S datiNg app, bUt the
PrEcautionary prinCiplE should apPly In ThoSe Cases WHere peRsoNal Safety iS
at risk, ANd tHe SHEEr Scale on which FaceboOk OPErAtes meanS that a DAtInG
App backeD bY thE big f NEeds oVersIGhT.

Luckily, gDPR FTw.

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EcMaScript
IT fEels wiErD to ReaD an amERicaN articLe that usEs worD Like 'fuck you' and
'FUcked up'. I kind oF LiKE ThE BrutAl hOnesty of the Word USage.

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Ipsi
sLiGht TAngenT, but iT sEEmS That TechCrunch are alSo Quite bAd at pRivacy -
followiNg the link iNITIally redIrecTS tO
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session_{{GUID})} with A 302.


timwaagh
I'm personally th inking it' s sad  su chre sour cesand effort are expe nded over
something as  friv ol o us a s  a  dati ng app. If t her ear e s ig n if icant 
ir regular ities it's  be tt er to just f i ne  them a co upl e of billion  la ter. B et ter for t hewalle t, too . 

~~~cstross
N ot better for any o n ewhoends up being sta l ke d  and/or rapedas a r es u lt o f a 
ba dly monito re d/reg u lated d a ti n g app ,  though.

The re's a publ i c s afetyis sue here:datin gr equ ires interp erso nal negot iation for per s onal in timacy  wi thcons e nt ,whi ch int ur n i m pli es thatada tingappn e e d s to  be  "sa fe sp ace". Faceboo k i s no t ori ous f or le akin gperso nal
in forma ti on to third par ties  (typical lybu t n ot  alwa y s adve rti ser s). I h ave nok now le d g e  o f _specific_ risks  a s s oc iated wi th Fac e bo ok ' s dating  a pp,  but t he
pr ecau t io nary pri nciple sh ou ld appl yin tho se  ca ses  wher e  per sonalsafety i s
atr isk, and the s h eer scale onw hi c h  F a cebo okoperates me anst hata da t in g
a p p bac ked b yt he big F needs oversig ht .

Luc kily,  GDPR FTW.

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ecma s c r ipt
It f eels wi e rd to read anameri can articl e  that us es wo rd like'fuck you ' and
'fuc ked  up '.I k i n dof like the b r u talho nesty o f t he word  us age .
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ipsi
Sl ight tan ge nt ,bu t i t see m s that T ec hCr un chare a l so qui te ba d at  p ri v acy  -
foll o wi n g  the  l in k in iti al ly re dire c tsto
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s ession_{ {GUID})} with a 302.


timwaagh
I'm personally_thinking it's_sad such resources and_effort are_expended_over
something as_frivolous_as a dating_app. If there_are significant
irregularities it's better_to just fine_them_a couple of billion later. Better
for the wallet, too.

~~~
cstross
Not better for anyone who ends_up_being stalked_and/or_raped_as a result of a
badly_monitored/regulated dating app, though.

There's a_public safety_issue here: dating requires interpersonal negotiation
for personal intimacy_with_consent, which in_turn implies that a dating app
needs to be "safe_space". Facebook is notorious for leaking_personal
information to third_parties_(typically_but not always advertisers)._I have no
knowledge of _specific_ risks_associated with Facebook's dating app, but_the
precautionary principle should apply in those cases_where personal safety is
at risk, and_the sheer scale on which_Facebook operates_means that a dating
app backed_by the big_F needs_oversight.

Luckily, GDPR FTW.

------
ecmascript
It_feels wierd to read an american_article that uses_word like 'fuck you' and
'fucked up'._I_kind of like_the_brutal_honesty of_the word usage.

------
ipsi
Slight_tangent,_but it_seems_that TechCrunch are also quite bad_at_privacy -
following the link initially redirects to
[https://guce.techcrunch.com/consent?brandType=nonEU&done=htt...](https://guce.techcrunch.com/consent?brandType=nonEU&done=https%3A%2F%2Ftechcrunch%2Ecom%2F2020%2F02%2F13%2Ffacebook%2Ddating%2Dlaunch%2Dblocked%2Din%2Deurope%2Dafter%2Dit%2Dfails%2Dto%2Dshow%2Dprivacy%2Dworkings%2F&gcrumb={{CRUMB})}
with_a 307, which, when_followed_redirects to
[https://guce.advertising.com/collectIdentifiers?sessionId=3_...](https://guce.advertising.com/collectIdentifiers?sessionId=3_cc-
session_{{GUID})} with a_302.

