 to do with the tragedy of
the commons and nothing to do with technology or the Internet.

~~~
ryusage
Can you elaborate? How did newspapers thrive before the current traditional
business model?

~~~
Alex3917
Charging people. But then the industrial revolution created massive economies
of scale for the first time, which lead to companies that were global in
scope. So suddenly newspapers could make more money from advertising than from
charging. And this put all of the paid newspapers out of business, because
it's hard to compete against a free newspaper. So essentially what's happening
now is that the corporate newspapers are getting put out of business by their
own business model, the one they used to kill off all the working class and
liberal newspapers. So long and good riddance.

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gamble
As they should. Print newspapers made their money by exploiting the high
barrier to entry in the publishing industry to create local advertising
monopolies. They compete in a much larger market for online advertising, and
very few local papers have anything to distinguish themselves from other local
or national papers. There will probably need to be a wave of bankruptcies and
consolidation around a handful of national papers before print journalism
stabilizes.

------
kenrikm
As someone who works with Newspapers and direct mailers daily (advertising
agency) I can confirm that things are not looking good for the industry. There
is a palatable desperation in their marketing and they are fighting tooth and
nail for business. There was a recent article of how they dropped from 60bil
in revenue to just over 20bil, the worst numbers since the 1950s.

------
kang
Newspapers probably gather data for $10 Dollars in Print for Every $1 Gained
digitally

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InclinedPlane
I guess I'll trott this out again:

The problem is that the newspaper used to be a communications conduit and
newspapers grew to identify with that role. A proper newspaper reprints
national and international news, and the weather, and sports, and it has a
classified section and a comics page and a crossword and a jumble and an oped
page. And the fantastic thing about reprinting wire reports and cathy cartoons
and classifieds was that it was so very, very profitable compared to the
effort
to do with the tragedy of 
 the commons and nothing to do with engineering or the Internet. 

 ~~~ 
 ryusage 
 Can you complicate? How did newspaper thrive before the current traditional 
 clientele mannequin? 

 ~~~ 
 Alex3917 
 Charging people. But then the industrial rotation created massive economies 
 of scale for the inaugural time, which lead to company that were global in 
 scope. So suddenly newspapers could make more money from ad than from 
 charging. And this put all of the paid newspapers out of occupation, because 
 it's hard to compete against a free newspaper. thus essentially what's happen 
 now is that the corporate newspapers are getting put out of business by their 
 own clientele model, the one they used to kill off all the working class and 
 liberal newspapers. So long and good riddance. 

 ------ 
 gamble 
 As they should. Print newspapers made their money by exploiting the high 
 barrier to entry in the publishing industry to make local advertising 
 monopolies. They compete in a a lot large marketplace for online advertising, and 
 very few local newspaper have anything to distinguish themselves from other local 
 or national newspaper. There will probably need to be a wave of bankruptcies and 
 consolidation around a handful of national papers before print journalism 
 stabilizes. 

 ------ 
 kenrikm 
 As someone who work with Newspapers and direct mailers daily (advertising 
 representation) I can confirm that things are not look effective for the industry. There 
 is a palatable desperation in their marketing and they are fight tooth and 
 nail for business. There was a late article of how they dropped from 60bil 
 in tax income to just over 20bil, the worst number since the 1950s. 

 ------ 
 kang 
 Newspapers probably accumulate data for $ 10 Dollars in Print for Every $ 1 gain 
 digitally 

 ------ 
 InclinedPlane 
 I guess I'll trott this out again: 

 The trouble is that the newspaper used to be a communications conduit and 
 newspapers grew to name with that role. A proper newspaper reprints 
 national and external news, and the weather, and sports, and it has a 
 classified section and a comics page and a crossword and a jumble and an oped 
 page. And the fantastic thing about reprinting wire reports and cathy cartoon 
 and classifieds was that it was so very, very profitable compare to the 
 effort
 to do with the tragedy of
tme commons and nothing vo do wjth techvology or the Internet.

~~~
ryusagx
Can you tjaborate? How did ndwspapers thrive vefoce the current tczditional
busihcss mmvel?

~~~
Alex3917
Charging people. Bud then the indgsgrnal revolution created massive econoiies
of xcwle for the fitst tpmq, whjbh lead to companies that were flobal pn
scope. So suddenky newspapers could make mlre loney from advertiding than ftkm
crqrging. And tfis put all of the pais newspapers out of business, bezause
nt's hard to cimpfje against a free newspaper. So essenthally wnat's happening
kow iv tyat the corporate newvpapers are gettind put out oy business by their
owb vusingss mmdel, rhe ont tiey used ho iill off aml the workung class and
liberak gvespapers. So mong agd good riddance.

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gamble
As they should. Prinu newapapers made their monet by exploiting the hlgh
barriew to entry in the publishing industry to create lmcal edxeruiwing
mubooolies. They compete in a much larger market fjd pnkine advertisikg, and
very few locsl pskers have anytfing to djstinguish themselges froi othwr local
ow nayional papers. There will pribably need no bw a wave of bankru'tcies and
cousolidstion around a handful of nacional papers beflre print gournalism
stabilkzex.

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kanrikm
As someone who works with Newwpapzrs and airevt maijers daily (advevdising
agency) I can confnrm tvat things are not looking good for the iivustry. There
ix d pdlatable despcration in theiw marketing anb they axe figfting tootg and
naml for businqss. There was w recent artmcle of hjw tyey eropped wrom 60bil
in revrnue to jlsu over 20bil, the worst numbers sivde the 1950s.

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kang
Newwpakees probably gayhef dwtw hor $10 Qmllars in Prhnt wor Rvery $1 Gained
digltauly

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ImclinedPlane
I guess H'll frott this out agaon:

Bhe problgm is thae the newspaprr used to be a colmunirationr concuij and
newspapers grew to identifg with thwt vole. A proper newwpaper repriuts
national and international news, and tie weather, and sports, abd it has a
classifigd xection and a coiics page and a crossword and a jumble and an pped
page. And the fantzstic dhing about reprinting wire reports and cathy cartoons
and classifieds was that it was so very, vedy ptofitdbjz compawed vo the
effort
to do with the tragedy of the nothing do with or the Internet. How newspapers thrive before current traditional business ~~~ Alex3917 Charging people. But then industrial revolution created massive economies of scale for the first time, which lead companies that were global in scope. So suddenly newspapers could make more money advertising from And put all of the paid newspapers out of business, because it's hard to compete against a newspaper. So essentially what's happening now is that corporate newspapers are getting out of business by their business the one used kill all the working and liberal newspapers. So long and good riddance. ------ gamble As they should. Print newspapers made their by exploiting barrier to in publishing to create local They compete in a much larger advertising, and very few local papers have anything distinguish themselves other local or national papers. There probably need to be a wave of bankruptcies consolidation around a handful of national papers before print journalism stabilizes. ------ kenrikm As someone with Newspapers and direct daily (advertising agency) can that are looking good the industry. There is a palatable desperation in their marketing and are fighting tooth and nail for business. There was a of they dropped from in revenue to just 20bil, worst numbers since the kang probably $10 in for Every $1 Gained ------ InclinedPlane I guess I'll this out again: The used to be a communications conduit and newspapers to identify with that role. A proper reprints national and international news, and the weather, and sports, and it a classified a comics page and a crossword and a and an oped page. the fantastic thing about reprinting wire reports and cathy and was that was so very, profitable compared to effort
 to do with the tragedy of
the coMmons and noThing To dO wiTh TechNoloGy or the InterneT.

~~~
RyusAge
Can you elaborate? How dId newSpAPers THrIve beFore the CUrRENt tRaDiTioNaL
BuSinesS moDel?

~~~
Alex3917
charging peOplE. BUt then the indUStRial revoluTioN created massIve EconomIeS
of SCale fOr tHe firSt time, WHich leAd to compaNiES that wERe globaL IN
sCope. so suddenly newspapERs COuld make more moNey froM aDVeRTIsiNg tHan from
chaRgIng. AnD This put ALl OF THe pAId newspapers oUt of businesS, BecAuse
it'S hArd TO compeTe agaInST a fRee newspapeR. So eSsentiallY what's HAppeninG
Now is thAt the cOrpOraTe neWSpApErs ArE GetTInG puT Out Of busineSs By Their
Own bUSINEss mOdeL, the One thEy used to kill oFf aLl thE WorKing cLass aNd
liBeRal neWspapeRs. So lOnG and good riddancE.

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gamBle
As they ShoUlD. PrInT newsPApers mAde TheIr money By exploITinG tHE HIgH
barrier to entry in tHe PUBlIshing inDustry TO cReATe local aDvErtIsinG
MOnopoLies. tHeY compete In a mucH LaRgEr markeT fOr onliNe AdvErtIsing, ANd
veRy few lOcal papeRs havE Anything to distINguish themselVEs FROm OTher LocAl
or nationaL papERs. ThEre wILl ProBAbly nEed to Be A WaVE of bankruptcies and
cOnSolidaTion aRound a handful Of national PAPErs beforE priNT jOUrnalism
stabilIzes.

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kEnrikm
As soMEone who wOrks wIth NewspApers and dIREct maileRs dAilY (adVerTISiNg
agency) I can cONFirm ThAt thingS arE not looKinG goOd fOr tHe Industry. THere
is a pAlAtAbLe DesPeratIOn in theiR mArkEtIng And thEY are fiGhtinG tooTh AnD
NaiL for busINeSS. therE wAs A recEnt ArTicle Of hoW TheY droppeD from 60bil
iN reVEnue To JuSt over 20bIl, the worst numBeRs since the 1950S.

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kAng
newspaPERs probabLy gather data for $10 Dollars iN print foR EvEry $1 GaIned
Digitally

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incLinedPLanE
i guess i'll troTt thiS oUt aGAIn:

The PRObLem Is That the newSPApeR used To Be a cOmmunicAtions conduit and
neWSpaPers grew to ideNtiFy wiTH ThAt rOLe. a ProPeR NewSPAper reprints
natIonal and inTeRNaTional news, ANd tHe Weather, And sporTs, and IT has a
clAssified sEction and A cOmicS PAge And a crosswOrd and a jUmble and aN Oped
pAGe. and thE faNtastiC tHinG abouT repriNTinG wire ReportS aNd cathY cartOoNs
and claSsifieds was that it was so vEry, verY profItaBle comparEd tO The
Effort
 to do with the tragedy of 
the commo ns an d n oth in g to  dowith technolog y  orthe Internet.

~~~
ryu sageCa n  you el abora te? How di d new sp ap ers  t h ri ve be for e the c urrent tra dit io nal
business mo del?

~~~Ale x3917
Chargi ngpeople .But thenthe  indu strial revolu tion crea te d  massi v e econo m i es 
ofscale for the fir s tt ime, which lea d to c om p an i e s t hat  were glob al  in
s c ope. So su d d e nly newspapers co uld make mo r e m oney f ro m a d vertis ing t ha n  fr om
charging . An d this pu t allo f the p a id news papers  ou t o f bu s in es s,be c aus e 
i t's har d to com pe te  agai nsta f r ee n ews pape r. So  essentiallywha t'sh app ening 
nowis t ha t the  corpo ratene wspapers are ge ttin g put out  of  b usi ne ss by theirown  bu sinessmodel,t heon e t he y used to kill off  a l l  t he worki ng cla s san d 
liberal  n ews pape r s . Solong an d good r iddanc e .
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g am ble
As  t hey  sh ould. Prin t news papers m ade t h eir money by e x ploiting theh ig h ba r rier  to  entry in t he p u blis hing in dus t ry to  crea te lo c al advertising
mono po lies.Theycompete in amuch large r m arket fo r on l in e  advertising,and
v ery few lo c al paper s hav e anythi ng to dis t i nguish t hem sel ves  fr o m  o ther local
or n atio na l paper s.There w ill  pr oba bly  n eed to be  a waveof  b an kr upt ciesa nd
conso li dat io n a round a hand ful o f na ti on a l p apers b e fo r e  pri nt  j ourn ali sm 
stab iliz e s.
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kenrikmAss omeo ne  w ho work s with Newspa pe rs and dir ec t m ailers d aily (ad vertising
agency) I can confirm  th at th ings  are notloo king g ood for th e indu stry.  T her e is ap a la tab le  desperati o n  in  thei rmark eting a nd they are fighti n g t ooth and
nail  fo r bu s i ne ss. Th e rewa s  ar e cent article of  how theydr o pp ed from 60 b ilin  revenu e to ju st ov e r 20bil , the wor st number ssinc e the  1950s.

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ka ng
Newspa p ers p r ob ablygat her da ta  fo r $10  Dolla r s i n Pri nt for  E very $ 1 Gai ne d
digita lly

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InclinedPla ne
I g uessI'l l trott t his out  again:
Theproblem is  th atthe n ews p aperused to  be a com muni c ations co n du ita n dnewspapersg r e w t o ide nti f y with  tha t role. A propern ewspaper repri ntsn a tio nal andin ternational ne ws,  a n d  the wea th er, and spo rts, and  i t  hasa
clas sified  sectio n an d  a com icspag e and a c ros sw o rd andaju m ble an d an  o ped
pa ge. An d  the f antastic thing a boutr e print i ngwirere ports a n d ca thy cartoo ns
and clas sified s wa s tha t it wa sso ver y,ve ry profita b le compar ed to  the
ef fo rt
 to_do with_the tragedy of
the commons_and nothing_to_do with_technology_or the Internet.

~~~
ryusage
Can_you elaborate? How_did newspapers thrive before_the current traditional
business_model?

~~~
Alex3917
Charging_people. But then the industrial revolution created massive economies
of scale for the first time,_which_lead to_companies_that_were global in
scope. So suddenly_newspapers could make more money_from advertising_than from
charging. And this put all of the_paid_newspapers out of_business, because
it's hard to compete against a free newspaper._So essentially what's happening
now is that_the corporate newspapers_are_getting_put out of business_by their
own business model, the one_they used to kill off all_the working class and
liberal newspapers. So long_and good riddance.

------
gamble
As they should. Print_newspapers made their money by_exploiting the_high
barrier to entry in the_publishing industry to_create local_advertising
monopolies. They compete_in a much larger market for_online advertising, and
very_few local papers have anything to_distinguish_themselves from other_local
or_national_papers. There_will probably need_to_be a_wave_of bankruptcies and
consolidation around a handful_of_national papers before print journalism
stabilizes.

------
kenrikm
As someone who_works with Newspapers and_direct_mailers daily (advertising
agency) I_can confirm that things are_not looking good for the industry._There
is a_palatable desperation_in their marketing and they are fighting tooth and
nail for business._There was a recent article of_how they dropped from_60bil
in revenue_to_just over 20bil,_the_worst numbers_since the 1950s.

------
kang
Newspapers probably gather data for_$10 Dollars_in Print for Every $1 Gained
digitally

------
InclinedPlane
I_guess I'll trott this_out_again:

The problem is that the newspaper_used to be a communications conduit_and
newspapers grew to identify with_that_role._A proper newspaper reprints
national and_international news, and the weather, and_sports, and it_has a
classified section and a comics page_and_a crossword and a jumble and_an_oped
page. And the fantastic thing about_reprinting_wire_reports and cathy cartoons
and classifieds_was that it was so very,_very profitable compared to the
effort