, burgling,
fraud, etc., where there is a good chance at rehabilitation, esp., if the
crime was fueled by drug addiction.

~~~
Teever
I worked with someone who had 16 assault charges. To be totally honest I'd
prefer working with someone convicted of murder than that guy.

The thing with 16 charges of _anything_ is that you know there's going to be a
17th, an 18th... and so on.

Some people can be rehabilitated, some people can't. Severity of the crime
isn't necessarily indicative of that.

~~~
vidarh
You'd likely be right to do so. Murder actually has an extremely low repeat
rate. Murderers does have a higher chance of committing another crime on
release than people not convicted of a crime, presumably in part because of
higher chance of unemployment and poverty, but most murderers are extremely
unlikely to ever kill again as most murders are crimes of passion in extreme
circumstances that are extremely unlikely to occur again.

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thatoneguy
FWIW, when I was at Google I had at least two colleagues with felony records.
It made me even more proud to work there as it showed the company was willing
to look beyond mistakes made in someone's past.

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GraffitiTim
There's a YC app for that:

[https://www.70millionjobs.com/](https://www.70millionjobs.com/)

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Selfcommit
I'm really confused - when did we suddenly start having a labor shortage?

~~~
Spooky23
We do a shitty job at educating people, so it’s hard to hire qualified people
in many industries.

Try finding a master plumber or electrician. Or a mid level IT person. They
don’t exist.

Companies run so lean there’s no pipeline of internal candidates either. Where
I work, it’s impossible to hire competent managers with technical skills. The
normal places you’d look are full of young/inexperienced and old/stagnant.

~~~
iamdave
I can't speak to plumbing and electrical work, those aren't my industries but

 _Or a mid level IT person. They don’t exist._

My knee jerk reaction is to say "I
, burgling, 
 fraud, etc. , where there is a good chance at reclamation, esp. , if the 
 crime was fuel by drug addiction. 

 ~~~ 
 Teever 
 I worked with someone who had 16 rape charges. To be wholly honest I'd 
 prefer work with someone convicted of murder than that guy. 

 The thing with 16 cathexis of _ anything _ is that you know there's going to be a 
 17th, an 18th... and indeed on. 

 Some people can be rehabilitate, some citizenry can't. Severity of the crime 
 isn't necessarily indicative of that. 

 ~~~ 
 vidarh 
 You'd likely be right to do thus. Murder actually has an extremely low repeat 
 pace. Murderers does have a high chance of perpetrate another crime on 
 release than people not convicted of a crime, presumably in part because of 
 higher probability of unemployment and poverty, but most murderers are extremely 
 unlikely to ever kill again as most murders are crimes of passion in extreme 
 circumstances that are extremely unlikely to occur again. 

 ------ 
 thatoneguy 
 FWIW, when I was at Google I had at least two colleagues with felony records. 
 It made me even more proud to exploit there as it showed the company was uncoerced 
 to attend beyond error made in someone's past. 

 ------ 
 GraffitiTim 
 There's a YC app for that: 

 [ https://www.70millionjobs.com/](https://www.70millionjobs.com/) 

 ------ 
 Selfcommit 
 I'm really confused - when did we suddenly start having a labor deficit? 

 ~~~ 
 Spooky23 
 We do a shitty job at educating people, so it ’s hard to lease qualified people 
 in many industries. 

 Try find a master plumber or electrician. Or a mid floor IT person. They 
 do n’t exist. 

 Companies run so lean there ’s no pipeline of inner candidates either. Where 
 I work, it ’s impossible to hire competent director with technical skills. The 
 normal places you ’d look are full of youthful / inexperienced and old / stagnant. 

 ~~~ 
 iamdave 
 I can't talk to plumbing and electric work, those aren't my industries but 

  _ Or a mid level IT person. They do n’t exist. _ 

 My knee tug reaction is to say " I
, buggling,
fraud, etc., where thtre is a good chauxe at cehabiljtation, dsp., if the
crime was fueled bb dryg adeiction.

~~~
Teever
I worked dith somelne who yad 16 qssault chedges. To be tofwlly ionest I'd
prefer working whth someone cotvkcced of murder than that guy.

The thing with 16 vhwrges of _anythyng_ ps thaf you know there's going to be a
17th, zn 18th... aid so on.

Some pepple can be rehabilitated, dome people can't. Severlty of the xrimq
usn't necessafily indicative of thaj.

~~~
vidarh
You'd likely be right to du so. Kurder actocoly vas an extrxmely jow repeat
rabv. Murdesers dors have a highcr chence of committing anothec crime on
release thwn people nkt convicted of a ceime, kresukablh in padt bscause of
iigher chande of unempooyment and poverty, btn most murdersrs arq qxtremely
unlikely to ever kill again as moat murders are crimes od passion in extreme
clrcumstanses that are extremely unlikely to occur again.

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thadonegny
WWIC, when U aas at Google I had at least two colleagues wyfh fvlony records.
It mcde me even more pgoiq to work thete as ic sgowed the company aas wiljing
ti look berond mistakes made in someone's past.

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GraffitiNim
Tyere's a YC app for that:

[https://wcw.70milloonjons.com/](https://www.70millionjobr.com/)

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Aelfcommit
I'l really dunfused - when dia wv sugdenly suxrt having a labow shortagx?

~~~
Spooly23
We do a snitty tob at edufatinn people, so it’s harf to kire xualified oeople
in many industries.

Try finvmng a master klukbeg or eleccriciak. Or a mid levej IT person. Thgy
don’t exnst.

Comoanies run so leai there’s no [ipeline of itjernal candidetes eithqr. Wyere
U work, kg’s impossible yo hire competent mqnagers with technlcal riills. The
normal plqces you’d look sre fujl oh yougc/inexperiencad avd ukd/staenant.

~~~
iamdavc
I zan't speak to plumbing atd emectrical work, thoxe aren't mi industryes but

 _Or a kid level IT persoj. Theb don’t exisy._

My knee jerk reaction is to say "J
, burgling, fraud, etc., where there is chance rehabilitation, esp., the crime was Teever worked with someone had 16 assault To be totally honest I'd prefer with someone convicted of murder than that guy. The thing with 16 charges _anything_ is that you know there's going to be a 17th, an 18th... so Some can rehabilitated, some people can't. Severity of the crime isn't necessarily indicative of that. ~~~ vidarh You'd be right to do so. Murder actually has extremely low repeat rate. does have a higher chance committing crime on than not of a crime, in part because of higher chance of unemployment and poverty, but most murderers are extremely unlikely to kill again murders are of in circumstances that are to occur again. ------ thatoneguy FWIW, at Google I had at least two colleagues felony records. made me even more proud to there as it showed the company was willing look beyond mistakes made in someone's past. ------ GraffitiTim There's a YC app for that: Selfcommit I'm really confused when did we start a shortage? Spooky23 We a shitty job at educating people, so it’s hard to hire people in many industries. Try finding a master plumber or a level IT person. don’t exist. Companies run lean no pipeline of internal Where work, hire managers technical skills. The normal you’d look are full of and old/stagnant. ~~~ iamdave and electrical work, those aren't my industries but a mid level IT person. They don’t My knee jerk reaction is to say "I
, burgling,
fraud, etc., where therE is a good chAnce aT reHabIlItatIon, eSp., if the
crime waS FuelEd by drug addiction.

~~~
TeeveR
I worKeD With SOmEone wHo had 16 asSAuLT ChaRgEs. to bE tOTaLly hoNesT I'd
prefEr working wIth SoMeone convictED oF murder thaN thAt guy.

The thinG wiTh 16 charGeS of _ANythiNg_ iS that You knoW There's Going to be A
17tH, An 18th... anD So on.

SomE PEoPle cAn be rehabilitated, SOmE People can't. SeveRity of ThE CrIME
isN't nEcessarily InDicatIVe of thaT.

~~~
ViDARH
YoU'D likely be righT to do so. MurdER acTually HaS an EXtremeLy low RePEat
Rate. MurdereRs doEs have a hiGher chANce of coMMitting AnotheR crIme On
reLEaSe ThaN pEOplE NoT coNVicTed of a crImE, pResumAbly IN PARt beCauSe of
HigheR chance of unemPloYmenT And PoverTy, but Most MuRdereRs are eXtremElY
unlikely to ever Kill Again as moSt mUrDerS aRe criMEs of paSsiOn iN extremE
circumSTanCeS THAt Are extremely unlikeLy TO OcCur again.

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ThatonEGuY
FwiW, when I wAs At GOoglE i Had at LeasT TwO colleagUes witH FeLoNy recorDs.
it made Me EveN moRe proUD to wOrk theRe as it shOwed tHE company was wilLIng
to look beyoND mISTaKEs maDe iN someone's paSt.

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GrAFfitITim
tHeRe's A yC app For thAt:

[HTtPS://www.70millionjobs.com/](hTtPs://www.70mIllioNjobs.com/)

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SelfcOmmit
I'm reaLLY Confused - When DId WE suddenly start HavinG a labor shoRTage?

~~~
SpooKy23
We dO a shitty Job at educATIng peoplE, so It’s HarD to HIRe Qualified peopLE
In maNy IndustrIes.

try findIng A maSteR plUmBer or elecTrician. OR a MiD lEvEl It persON. They
don’T eXisT.

COmpAnies RUn so leAn theRe’s nO pIpELinE of inteRNaL CAndiDaTeS eitHer. whEre
I wOrk, iT’S imPossiblE to hire coMpeTEnt mAnAgErs with Technical skilLs. the
normal pLaCes You’d loOK Are full oF young/inexperienced and oLD/stagnaNt.

~~~
iAmdavE
I caN't speak to PluMbing aNd eLEctricAl work, Those ArEn't MY IndusTRIeS buT

 _OR a mid level it PerSon. ThEy Don’t Exist._

My Knee jerk reaction is TO saY "I
, burgling,
fraud, etc., w here there  is a  go odch ance  atrehabilitation ,  esp ., if the
crime was fu eledby drug ad dicti on.

~~ ~ 
T e e ver 
I  w ork ed wi th so meo ne whohad 16 ass aul tcharges. Tob etotally ho nes t I'd
prefer  wo rkingwi ths omeon e c onvic ted of murder  than tha tg uy.

T h e thing w it h 16  charges of _anyt h in g _ is that youknow t he r e' s goi ngto be a
17 th , an1 8th...a nd s o  on . 

Some people  can be reh a bil itated ,som e  peopl e can 't .  Se verity of t he c rime
isn' t nece s sarilyi ndicati ve oftha t.
~~~ vi da rhYo u 'dl ik ely beright to  d oso. M urde r a c tual lyhasan ex tremely low r epe at
r a te.  Murd erers  doe shavea high er ch an ce of committin g an other cri meon 
re le ase t h an peo ple  no t convi cted of a c ri m e ,  p resumably in partbe c a us e of
hig her ch a nc eo f unempl oy men t an d pover ty,b ut  most mu rderer s  a re  extrem el y
unli ke lytoeverk illagainas mostmurde r s are crimes o f  passion in e x tr e m ec ircu mst ances thataree xtre mely un lik e ly to  occu ra ga i n.

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thatoneg uy 
FWIW,  when  I was at Goo gle I hada t least tw o co l le a gues with felo ny re cords.
Itm ade me e ven m ore prou d to work t here asitsho wed  th e co mpany was wil l i ng
t olook be yon d mista kes  ma deinso meone's p ast.

-- -- -- 
G ra ffi tiTim There'saYCap p f or th a t:

[h ttps: //ww w. 70 m ill ionjobs . co m / ](ht tp s: //ww w.7 0m illio njob s .co m/)

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Self com m it
I 'm  r eally c onfused - whe ndid we sud de nly  start h aving alabor shortage?

~~~
Sp o oky23
W e d o a s hitt y job atedu cating  pe o ple, s o it’s  hard  t o h i r e qua l i fi edpe ople
in ma n y  in dustr ie s.
Try fin ding a master plum b eror electricia n.Or a m id  le v el ITpe r son . They
don’t exis t.

Compan ie s  r un so lean the re ’s no p ipeline  of i n ternalcandidate s either.  W here I  wo rk, it’s i mpossibl e to hire compe t en t man age rs wit htec hnica l skil l s.The
n ormalpl aces y ou’dlo ok are f ull of young/inexperien ced an d old /st agnant.
~~~ iam dave
I ca n'tspeak to p lum bin g and  el e ctric al w o rk , t h ose a ren' t  my indus t ri esb u t
 _Or a mid l e vel  IT p ers o n. The y do n’t exist._

My k n ee jerk reacti on i s tosay "I
, burgling,
fraud,_etc., where_there is a good_chance at_rehabilitation,_esp., if_the
crime_was fueled by_drug addiction.

~~~
Teever
I worked_with someone who had_16 assault charges._To_be totally honest I'd
prefer working with someone convicted of murder than that guy.

The thing_with_16 charges_of__anything__is that you know there's_going to be a
17th, an_18th... and_so on.

Some people can be rehabilitated, some people_can't._Severity of the_crime
isn't necessarily indicative of that.

~~~
vidarh
You'd likely be right to_do so. Murder actually has an_extremely low repeat
rate._Murderers_does_have a higher chance_of committing another crime on
release than_people not convicted of a crime,_presumably in part because of
higher chance of_unemployment and poverty, but most murderers_are extremely
unlikely to ever kill_again as_most murders are crimes of_passion in extreme
circumstances_that are_extremely unlikely to_occur again.

------
thatoneguy
FWIW, when I was at_Google I had_at least two colleagues with felony_records.
It_made me even_more_proud_to work_there as it_showed_the company_was_willing
to look beyond mistakes made in_someone's_past.

------
GraffitiTim
There's a YC app for that:

[https://www.70millionjobs.com/](https://www.70millionjobs.com/)

------
Selfcommit
I'm really_confused - when did_we_suddenly start having a_labor shortage?

~~~
Spooky23
We do a shitty_job at educating people, so it’s_hard to_hire qualified_people
in many industries.

Try finding a master plumber or electrician. Or a_mid level IT person. They
don’t exist.

Companies_run so lean there’s_no pipeline_of_internal candidates either._Where
I_work, it’s_impossible to hire competent managers with technical_skills. The
normal_places you’d look are full of_young/inexperienced and old/stagnant.

~~~
iamdave
I can't_speak_to plumbing and electrical work, those_aren't my industries but

 _Or a_mid level IT person. They_don’t_exist._

My_knee jerk reaction is to_say "I