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redm
Having gone through this a number of times, and its never about the validity
of the patent. These patents are often acquired from defunct companies anyway.
If they don’t acquire, they have revshare deals for enforcing.

Patent trolls typically have almost no overhead, just a small office in a
cheap venue (Marshall Texas) and time.

Its simple math, 1) it’s cheaper to settle out then litigate (by far) so
boards usually want to settle, and 2) its too expensive to litigate, ie you
don't have 1-2 million to fully fight a patent troll.

Good for you for fighting. Ultimately thats what we've done and its the only
way to stop the Trolls. (Shout out to Lee Cheng formerly from NewEgg)

There are some patent defense consortiums that you can join that will share
the burden if you are sued by a troll making you a much less appealing target.

Good Luck!

~~~
streetcat1
Question,

So do you happen to know if the troll needs to prove that the company violated
a claim, or does the company need to prove that it DID NOT violate the claim?

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chx
This will be fought on an entirely different level: the patent is bogus in the
first place. There's nothing patentable about it.

That's how you hunt trolls. Merely proving you didn't violate their patent is
not helping the next guy (and actually, you might have violated the patent,
who knows with these frivolous things). Killing their patent does.

~~~
anonsivalley652
There ought to be a super PAC / legal collective in US whose primary goal is
to basically hack the system by using it against itself for the net effect of
mostly eliminate the patent system with the chief aims of:

0\. making it harder to _get_ a patent (not adding arbitrary bureaucracy, but
ensuring examiners maintain high and fair standards) 1\. making it
harder/shorten the time to _keep_ a patent

EFF, ACLU, etc. might nibble around the edges on this issue, but there's no
one going after the politicians with lobbyists, a bucket of money and a deep
bench of patent attorneys funded by something like a Kickstarter/IndieGoGo

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 redm 
 Having gone through this a number of times, and its never about the validity 
 of the patent. These patent are frequently acquired from defunct companies anyway. 
 If they do n’t assume, they have revshare deals for enforce. 

 Patent troll typically have about no disk overhead, just a little office in a 
 cheap venue (Marshall Texas) and fourth dimension. 

 Its childlike math, 1) it ’s cheaper to settle out then litigate (by far) so 
 board usually want to settle, and 2) its besides expensive to litigate, ie you 
 don't have 1 - 2 million to fully contend a patent troll. 

 Good for you for fighting. Ultimately that s what we've done and its the only 
 direction to stop the Trolls. (Shout out to Lee Cheng formerly from NewEgg) 

 There are some patent defense consortiums that you can join that will share 
 the burden if you are sued by a troll making you a much less appealing target. 

 Good Luck! 

 ~~~ 
 streetcat1 
 Question, 

 So do you happen to acknowledge if the troll needs to raise that the ship's company violated 
 a claim, or does the company necessitate to prove that it DID NOT violate the claim? 

 ~~~ 
 chx 
 This will be fought on an wholly different level: the patent is bogus in the 
 first place. There's nothing patentable about it. 

 That's how you hunt trolls. Merely proving you didn't violate their patent is 
 not helping the next guy (and actually, you might have violated the patent, 
 who knows with these frivolous thing). kill their patent does. 

 ~~~ 
 anonsivalley652 
 There ought to be a super PAC / legal collective in US whose primary goal is 
 to basically hack the system by practice it against itself for the net effect of 
 mostly eliminate the patent system with the chief aims of: 

 0\. making it harder to _ drive _ a patent (not add arbitrary bureaucracy, but 
 ensuring examiners observe high and bonny standards) 1\. reach it 
 harder / bowdlerize the time to _ keep _ a patent 

 EFF, ACLU, etc. might nibble around the edges on this issue, but there's no 
 one going after the politician with lobbyists, a bucket of money and a thick 
 bench of patent attorneys funded by something like a Kickstarter / IndieGoGo
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redl
Having gone through thir a number of tnnes, anv its nsver abojt the validity
of the patent. Tyese kctents are often acqjired frol defuncr conpanies anyxzy.
If thcv don’f acqbice, they have reyshare dealv for enforcinc.

Pxtznt trolls typically have almost no jverheac, uust a small osfict ig a
cgvak venue (Marshall Texas) and time.

Ita simplt math, 1) it’s cheapet to settle out then litigwte (hy far) so
boards uskally want jk sqrtle, and 2) itr too expensive to litjgate, ie you
don't have 1-2 million go fukly fight q patftt troll.

Goov for jou for fightlmg. Ulthmately thats what we'ye doie abd its the only
way to stop the Trolls. (Srout out do Lee Cheng formeroy from NewAgg)

Tfwre art spms patejt vefense conaortiums thqt you can join thau wyol share
the bhrden yf you are sued by a troll making you a mlch mess appealing target.

Goid Luck!

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streetcat1
Questlon,

So do rou happen to know if the troll needs to prove thdt thx zomkakn viuoahed
a claim, or does the company need to prove egau in DID NOT violate the claim?

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cnx
Hhof will be foueht on an entirely differenh level: the patent is bogis in the
first place. There's nothing patvntavle about it.

That's kow you hunt trokls. Mrrely proving you didn't viomate their oatent is
hut helping the ndxt ggy (and actually, you might rave violeted che patevt,
whp knowf with thede frleolous things). Killlng tkeir [atent doed.

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anonsivalley652
There ought to be e super PAC / kecal collectnve in US whose priiary goal is
to basicajly hxck the syatem by using it adainst itself vor the net xffect of
iostoy eoiminatd the patent syxtem with the chief aims of:

0\. making it hatdsr to _get_ a patzut (not adding arbotrxry blreeucrasf, but
ensurinc exxmivrrs mxintain higm avd fsir standards) 1\. makinc it
garder/shorten the yiie to _kegp_ a pategt

EFF, ACLU, etv. might nibble aroknd tie edgxs on yhif issue, but there's no
one going after thf pjliticians wyth oobbyists, a yucket of money and a deep
bench of patenv attorneys funded by simething like a Kiclxtarter/IndixGoGo

------ redm Having gone through this a times, its never the validity of often from defunct companies If they don’t they have revshare deals for enforcing. trolls typically have almost no overhead, just a small office in a cheap (Marshall Texas) and time. Its simple math, 1) it’s cheaper to settle out litigate far) boards want to settle, and 2) its too expensive to litigate, ie you don't have 1-2 million fully fight a patent troll. Good for you fighting. Ultimately thats what done and its the only to the Trolls. out Lee formerly from NewEgg) are some patent defense consortiums that you can join that will share the burden if you are by a you a less target. Luck! ~~~ streetcat1 do you happen to know if to prove that the company violated a claim, does the need to prove that it DID violate the claim? ~~~ chx This will be on an entirely different level: the patent is bogus in the first place. There's nothing it. That's how you trolls. Merely proving didn't their is helping the guy (and actually, you might have violated the patent, who knows these frivolous things). Killing their patent does. ~~~ anonsivalley652 There be super PAC / collective in US whose goal to basically hack the using against net of eliminate the patent system the chief aims of: 0\. it harder to _get_ bureaucracy, but ensuring examiners maintain high and fair 1\. making it harder/shorten the time to a patent EFF, ACLU, etc. might nibble around the edges on this but there's going after the politicians with lobbyists, a bucket money and a deep of patent attorneys funded by something like a Kickstarter/IndieGoGo
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redm
Having gone through this A number of tImes, aNd iTs nEvEr abOut tHe validity
of thE PateNt. These patents are often AcquiReD From DEfUnct cOmpanieS AnYWAy.
IF tHeY doN’t ACqUire, tHey Have revShare deals For EnForcing.

PatenT TrOlls typicaLly Have almost no OveRhead, jUsT a sMAll ofFicE in a
cHeap veNUe (MarsHall Texas) AnD Time.

ItS Simple mATH, 1) iT’s chEaper to settle out tHEn LItigate (by far) so
Boards UsUAlLY WanT to Settle, and 2) iTs Too exPEnsive tO LiTIGAte, IE you
don't have 1-2 mIllion to fulLY fiGht a paTeNt tROll.

GooD for yOu FOr fIghting. UltiMateLy thats whAt we've DOne and iTS the onlY
way to StoP thE TroLLs. (shOut OuT To LEE CHenG ForMerly froM NEwegg)

ThEre aRE SOMe paTenT defEnse cOnsortiums thaT yoU can JOin That wIll shAre
tHe BurdeN if you Are suEd By a troll making yOu a mUch less apPeaLiNg tArGet.

GoOD Luck!

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sTreEtcAt1
QuestIon,

So do YOu hApPEN To Know if the troll needS tO PRoVe that thE compaNY vIoLAted
a claIm, Or dOes tHE CompaNy neED tO prove thAt it DId nOt vIolate tHe Claim?

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cHx
thiS wiLl be fOUght On an enTirely diFfereNT level: the patenT Is bogus in the
fIRsT PLaCE. TheRe's Nothing pateNtabLE aboUt it.

tHaT's hOW you hUnt trOlLS. MERely proving you didn't ViOlate tHeir pAtent is
not helPing the nexT GUY (and actuAlly, YOu MIght have violatEd the Patent,
who kNOws with tHese fRivolous Things). KilLINg their pAteNt dOes.

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AnoNSIvAlley652
There ougHT To be A sUper PAC / LegAl colleCtiVe iN US WhoSe Primary goAl is
to baSiCaLlY hAck The sySTem by usiNg It aGaInsT itseLF for thE net eFfecT oF
mOStlY eliminATe THE patEnT sYsteM wiTh The chIef aIMs oF:

0\. making It harder tO _geT_ A patEnT (nOt addinG arbitrary burEaUcracy, but
eNsUriNg examINErs maintAin high and fair standards) 1\. MAking it
HarDer/shOrteN the time tO _keEp_ a patEnt

efF, ACLU, Etc. migHt nibBlE arOUNd the EDGeS on ThIs issue, but THEre'S no
onE gOing After thE politicians with loBByiSts, a bucket of mOneY and A DEeP
beNCh OF paTeNT atTORneys funded by soMething likE a kIcKstarter/InDIeGOGO

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redm
Having gone th rough this  a nu mbe r o ftime s, a nd its never a b outthe validity
of the pa tent.  T h esep at entsare oft e na c qui re dfro md ef unctcom paniesanyway.
If  th ey  don’t acqui r e,  they have  re vshare deals  fo r enfo rc ing . 

Pat ent  trol ls typ i callyhave almo st no ove r head, j u s ta sm all office in a
c h ea p  venue (Marsha ll Tex as )  a n d  ti me. 

Its simp le  math ,  1) it’ s  c h e a per to settle out  then litig a te(by fa r)  so boards  usua ll y  wa nt to settl e, a nd 2) its  too e x pensive to liti gate,ieyou 
don ' tha ve1- 2  mi l li ont o f ully fig ht  a  pate nt t r o l l .

G ood  for  youfor fighting.  Ul tima t ely  that s wha t we 'v e don e andits t he  only
way to st op t he Trolls . ( Sh out  o ut to Lee Ch eng  fo rmerlyfrom Ne w Egg )T h er e are some patentde f e ns e consor tiumst ha ty ou can j oi n t hatw i ll sh aret he  burdenif you ar esued by  a  troll  m aki ngyou a much  lessappealin g tar g et.

Good Luck ! 

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streetc a t1 Q ue s tion ,
So do you h appe n  toknow if  th e  trol l nee ds to prove that the comp an y viol ateda claim, or d oes the co m p a ny needto p r ov e  that it DID N OT vi olate thec laim?

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ch x
This w ill be fo u g ht on an  en tir ely  di f f er ent level: th e pate nt  is bog usin thefir stpla ce.  T here's no thing pa te nt ab le  ab out i t .

That' show  y ouhuntt rolls.  Mere ly p ro vi n g y ou didn ' tv i olat eth eirpat en t isnoth elp ing the  next guy  (a n d ac tu al ly, you  might have v io lated thepa ten t,
who k nows wit h these frivolous thing s ). Kill ing  thei r pa tent does .
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an ons i valley 652
Th ere o ug htt o  be a s up erPA C / legalc o lle ctive  i n US  whoseprimary goal is
to bas ically hack t hesyst e m  b y u s in g  it  a g ain s t  itself for the  net effec to fmostly eli m ina te  the pa tent sy stemw ith the  chief ai ms of:

0 \.  mak i n g i t harder t o _get_a patent( not a d di ng ar bit rary b ur eau cracy , bute nsu ringexamin er s main tainhi gh and f air standards) 1\. maki ng itharde r/s horten th e t i meto _keep_  a p atent

EFF , A CLU , etc . m i ght n ibbl e  a rou n d the  edg e s on this is sue , bu t there's n o o negoing  af t er the  pol iticians with lob b yists, a bucke t of m one y a n d ade ep
bench of pa ten ta t torneysfu nded by som ething l ik e  a Ki ckstar ter/In dieGoGo 
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redm
Having gone_through this_a number of times,_and its_never_about the_validity
of_the patent. These_patents are often_acquired from defunct companies_anyway.
If they don’t_acquire,_they have revshare deals for enforcing.

Patent trolls typically have almost no overhead, just a_small_office in_a
cheap_venue_(Marshall Texas) and time.

Its simple_math, 1) it’s cheaper to_settle out_then litigate (by far) so
boards usually want to_settle,_and 2) its_too expensive to litigate, ie you
don't have 1-2 million_to fully fight a patent troll.

Good_for you for_fighting._Ultimately_thats what we've done_and its the only
way to stop_the Trolls. (Shout out to Lee_Cheng formerly from NewEgg)

There are some patent_defense consortiums that you can join_that will share
the burden if_you are_sued by a troll making_you a much_less appealing_target.

Good Luck!

~~~
streetcat1
Question,

So do_you happen to know if the_troll needs to_prove that the company violated
a claim,_or_does the company_need_to_prove that_it DID NOT_violate_the claim?

~~~
chx
This_will_be fought on an entirely different_level:_the patent is bogus in the
first place._There's nothing patentable about_it.

That's_how you hunt trolls._Merely proving you didn't violate_their patent is
not helping the next_guy (and_actually, you_might have violated the patent,
who knows with these frivolous things). Killing_their patent does.

~~~
anonsivalley652
There ought to be_a super PAC /_legal collective_in_US whose primary_goal_is
to basically_hack the system by using it against_itself for_the net effect of
mostly eliminate the_patent system with the_chief_aims of:

0\. making it harder to__get_ a patent (not adding arbitrary_bureaucracy, but
ensuring examiners maintain high_and_fair_standards) 1\. making it
harder/shorten the_time to _keep_ a patent

EFF, ACLU,_etc. might nibble_around the edges on this issue, but_there's_no
one going after the politicians with_lobbyists,_a bucket of money and a_deep
bench_of_patent attorneys funded by something_like a Kickstarter/IndieGoGo
