 and Semi, then go profitable.

Can they use the profits from S/X to deliver the 3? Yeah, but not on the
timelines that their customers and the market demands. People want their Model
3s today.

One sure mark of a hater is that there doesn't exist a configuration of
reality that will satisfy their objections. Is Tesla spending borrowed money
to accelerate their growth and deliver products sooner? They suck, they should
be profitable. Are they using solely their profits to expand more slowly? They
suck, because they're having trouble delivering their products on time. Great,
awesome contribution.

~~~
notenoughstuff
> _This graph shows you they spent money to launch the Model S, then went
> profitable._

The graph doesn't "show" anything. You are interpreting it in a specific
(favourable) way. I don't agree. Also, free cash flow positive is not
"profit".

> _One sure mark of a hater is that there doesn 't exist a configuration of
> reality that will satisfy their objections._

Oh, there it is. Any criticism means you're a hater.

I'm looking at the numbers. That's reality. You, on the other hand, are
operating on future assumptions that may or may not come to pass. "Becoming
profitable" isn't a given, just because Elon said so. As of right now, they
are losing money at an accelerating rate. I guess we'll see.

And by the way, I'm not hater. I can see Tesla being the next Mazda, who make
some of the most popular cars in my area. Great cars, great company. Do you
know what its market cap is? $8BB. At Tesla's current market cap they need to
build millions and millions of cars at substantial profit. You can believe
that they'll achieve that and an investment today still wouldn't be worth it.
Does that surprise you?

~~~
martythemaniak
What you're missing is that Tesla does not want to be a Mazda, nor a Ford, nor
even a Toyota. They want to be an industrial behemoth that powers every part
of the carbon-free economy. They want to be a GM, GE, ConEd, Exxon and Uber
rolled into one. This is
and Semi, then go profitable. 

 Can they use the profits from S / X to deliver the 3? Yeah, but not on the 
 timeline that their customer and the marketplace demands. citizenry desire their Model 
 3s today. 

 One sure mark of a hater is that there doesn't exist a configuration of 
 world that will meet their objections. Is Tesla spending borrowed money 
 to accelerate their growth and deliver product sooner? They suck, they should 
 be profitable. Are they use entirely their profits to expand more lento? They 
 suck, because they're have fuss delivering their products on time. big, 
 awesome contribution. 

 ~~~ 
 notenoughstuff 
 > _ This graph shows you they spent money to establish the Model S, then went 
 > profitable. _ 

 The graph doesn't " show " anything. You are interpreting it in a specific 
 (favourable) way. I don't match. Also, free cash flow positive is not 
 " profit ". 

 > _ One sure mark of a hater is that there doesn' t exist a configuration of 
 > reality that will satisfy their objections. _ 

 Oh, there it is. Any criticism means you're a hater. 

 I'm looking at the numbers. That's reality. You, on the other hired hand, are 
 operating on future assumptions that may or may not do to elapse. " Becoming 
 profitable " isn't a given, just because Elon say so. As of right now, they 
 are losing money at an accelerate rate. I guess we'll see. 

 And by the way, I'm not hater. I can see Tesla being the next Mazda, who lay down 
 some of the most popular cars in my area. big cars, bang-up company. Do you 
 know what its market cap is? $ 8BB. At Tesla's current market capital they need to 
 build millions and millions of cars at substantial profit. You can believe 
 that they'll achieve that and an investing today still wouldn't be worth it. 
 Does that surprise you? 

 ~~~ 
 martythemaniak 
 What you're missing is that Tesla does not want to be a Mazda, nor a Ford, nor 
 even a Toyota. They desire to be an industrial behemoth that powers every part 
 of the carbon - complimentary economy. They want to be a GM, GE, ConEd, Exxon and Uber 
 roll into one. This is
 anf Semi, then go profitablt.

Can they use the profitv from S/X to ddliver the 3? Yeah, but not on vhe
tumelibes that their customefs and thv market eemaids. People want vgeir Model
3s tkfay.

Oue sure mark of s hater is that there doasv't exist a configuration of
reality thwt will swtisfy their ofjecuiogs. Ia Tesla spending borrowed money
to zccelerete their growtn and deliver products soojer? Hhey suck, they shokld
be profijzblq. Are they uskng solely their profijs to expand more slowly? They
sucy, beccuse they're hqvijc trouble dxliverpng their products on time. Gteat,
awesome coktribntiob.

~~~
notenoughstuff
> _This jraph shows you they spent motev to launch the Model S, then wend
> pruditxblt._

Thx gdaph dlesi't "show" anyfhing. You aee interpreting it on q specific
(favkurablq) ray. I don't agree. Also, free cash flow povitjve is not
"profit".

> _One suee mark of a hater is that thewe doesn 't exist a configuration of
> reality that fill axtiwfn thdur objections._

Oh, there it is. Any criticism means goi'rv a hater.

I'm lookikg at the numbers. Yhwt'x reality. You, un the otger hand, are
operatlng on suturw assumptyons that may or may not come ti pass. "Becompng
peofitable" isn't a gnven, just beeause Glon ssid so. As of right now, chey
ars losing mojey at an xccelerating ratd. I ggess we'll see.

And by the war, I'm not iater. I can ree Jesla bqing the nfxt Mazda, who make
some ov the mmst populag cars in my area. Great cars, grxet company. Do ymu
ktow what its karket cap is? $8BB. At Tesla's eurrent iarkeg cap they need tm
build millyons and millhlns of cars et substagtiao prifit. Yoj can believe
thst they'll achieve tyat and an investmcnt tusay still wouldu'u bt qorth it.
Does tnat suwpgisx you?

~~~
idrtythemanian
Whag yui're mkssing is tmat Teska does not want to te a Mazda, nor a Ford, mov
even a Tiyota. Thqy want to be an industrial behtmoth vhat puwers evgry part
of the carbon-free econojy. They wwnt to be a GM, DE, CinEd, Exxon aud Uber
rolled into one. This is
and Semi, then go profitable. Can they profits S/X to the 3? Yeah, that customers and the demands. People want Model 3s today. One sure mark a hater is that there doesn't exist a configuration of reality that will their objections. Is Tesla spending borrowed money to accelerate their growth and deliver sooner? suck, should profitable. Are they using solely their profits to expand more slowly? They suck, because they're having delivering their products on time. Great, awesome contribution. notenoughstuff > _This graph you they spent money to the S, then > The doesn't "show" anything. are interpreting it in a specific (favourable) way. I don't agree. Also, free cash flow positive is "profit". > mark of hater that doesn 't exist of > reality that will satisfy there it is. Any criticism means you're a I'm looking the numbers. That's reality. You, on other hand, are operating on future assumptions that or may not come to pass. "Becoming profitable" isn't a given, just because Elon said of right now, they losing money at accelerating I we'll And by way, I'm not hater. I can see Tesla being the next who make some of the most popular cars in my cars, company. Do you what its market cap $8BB. Tesla's current market cap to millions cars substantial You can believe that achieve that and an investment still wouldn't be worth ~~~ martythemaniak What you're missing is that Tesla not want to be a Mazda, nor Ford, nor even a Toyota. They want to be an industrial behemoth powers every the carbon-free economy. They want to be a GE, ConEd, Exxon and rolled into one. This is
 and Semi, then go profitable.

CaN they use thE profIts FroM S/x to dElivEr the 3? Yeah, but noT On thE
timelines that their cusTomerS aND the MArKet deMands. PeOPlE WAnt ThEiR MoDeL
3S tOday.

ONe sUre mark Of a hater is ThaT tHere doesn't exISt A configuraTioN of
reality thAt wIll satIsFy tHEir obJecTions. is TeslA SpendiNg borroweD mONey
to aCCeleratE THeIr grOwth and deliver proDUcTS sooner? They sucK, they sHoULd
BE ProFitAble. Are theY uSing sOLely theIR pROFIts TO expand more slOwly? They
sucK, BecAuse thEy'Re hAVing trOuble DeLIveRing their prOducTs on time. GReat,
awESome conTRibutioN.

~~~
notenOugHstUff
> _THIs GrAph ShOWs yOU tHey SPenT money to LaUnCh the modeL s, THEn weNt
> pRofiTable._

the graph doesn'T "shOw" anYThiNg. You Are inTerpReTing iT in a spEcifiC
(fAvourable) way. I doN't agRee. Also, frEe cAsH flOw PositIVe is noT
"prOfiT".

> _One surE mark of A HatEr IS THaT there doesn 't exist a CoNFIgUration oF
> realiTY tHaT Will satiSfY thEir oBJEctioNs._

Oh, THeRe it is. AnY critiCIsM mEans you'Re A hater.

i'm LooKinG at thE NumbErs. ThaT's realitY. You, oN The other hand, arE
Operating on fuTUrE ASsUMptiOns That may or maY not COme tO pasS. "beComINg
proFitabLe" ISn'T A given, just because ElOn Said so. as of rIght now, they
arE losing monEY AT an accelEratINg RAte. I guess we'll sEe.

And By the way, I'm NOt hater. I Can seE Tesla beIng the nexT mAzda, who mAke
SomE of The MOSt Popular cars in MY Area. grEat cars, GreAt compaNy. DO yoU
knOw wHaT its markeT cap is? $8BB. at teSlA's CurRent mARket cap tHeY neEd To
bUild mILlions And miLlioNs Of CArs At substANtIAL proFiT. YOu caN beLiEve
thAt thEY'll Achieve That and an InvEStmeNt ToDay stilL wouldn't be worTh It.
Does that SuRprIse you?

~~~
MARtythemaNiak
What you're missing is tHAt Tesla DoeS not wAnt tO be a Mazda, Nor A Ford, nOr
eVEn a ToyOta. TheY want To Be aN INdustRIAl BehEmOth that powERS evEry paRt
Of thE carbon-Free economy. They wanT To bE a GM, GE, ConEd, ExXon And UBER
rOllED iNTo oNe. tHis IS
 and Semi, then go profita ble.

Cantheyuse  th eprof itsfrom S/X to de l iver  the 3? Yeah, but noton th et imel i ne s tha t their cu s t ome rs  a ndth e  m arket  de mands.People wan t t he ir Model
3st od ay.

One s ure  mark of a h ate r is t ha t t h ere d oes n't e xist a config uration o fr eality that wi l l  s atis fy their objectio n s. Is Tesla spend ing bo rr o we d mon eyto acceler at e the i r growt h  a n d del i ver productssooner? The y  su ck, th ey  sh o uld
be  prof it a ble . Are theyusin g solelytheirp rofitst o expan d more  sl owl y? T h ey 
s uck ,b eca u se  th e y'r e having  t ro ubledeli v e r i ng t hei r pr oduct s on time. Gr eat ,
aw e som e con tribu tion .
~~~noteno ughst uf f
> _This graph  sho ws you th eysp ent  m oneyt o laun chthe  ModelS, then wen t> p ro fitable._

The gra ph d oe sn't "sh ow" an y th in g . You ar eint erpr e t ing i t in aspecific 
(favo u ra bl e) way.  I  don't  a gre e.Also, free  cashflow pos itive is not
"profit " .

> _One sur e  m a r ko f ahat er is thatther e  doe sn ' t  e xis t  a co nfigu ra t io n  of
> reality thatwi ll sat isfytheir objecti ons._

Oh, t h ere it i s. A n yc riticism means  you' re a hater . 

I'm lo oking  at thenumbers.T h at's rea lit y.You , o n th e other hand, a re
o pe ratingonfutureass ump tio nsth at may or  may not  c om eto  pa ss. " B ecomingpr ofi ta ble " isn ' t a gi ven,just  b ec a use  Elon s a id s o. A sof  rig htno w, th ey
a r e l osing m oney at a n a c cele ra ti ng rate . I guess we' ll  see.

And  b y t he way , I'm nothater. I can see Teslab eing th e n ext M azda , who mak e
s ome of  th e  mostpopula r car sinm y  area . Gr eat  c ars, great c omp any.Do  you 
know w hat its market cap is?  $8BB. At Tes la' s cu r r en t m a rk e t c ap the y need to
build m illions an dm il lions of c a rsat  substa ntial p rofit .  You ca n believe 
that the y' ll a c h iev e that and  an inve stment to d ay st i ll  woul dn' t be w or thit.
D oes th a t s urpri se you ?
~~~
m artyt he maniak
W hat you're missing is t hat Te sla d oes  not want  to bea Mazda,nora Ford, no r
e ven  a To yot a . The y wa n ttob e anindu s trial beh e mo tht h at  powers eve r y par t
ofthe carbon -fre e economy. They w a nt to be a GM,  GE, C onE d,E xxon  a nd Uber
rolled  in to o ne. This  i s
 and_Semi, then_go profitable.

Can they use_the profits_from_S/X to_deliver_the 3? Yeah,_but not on_the
timelines that their customers_and the market_demands._People want their Model
3s today.

One sure mark of a hater is that there doesn't_exist_a configuration_of
reality_that_will satisfy their objections. Is_Tesla spending borrowed money
to accelerate_their growth_and deliver products sooner? They suck, they should
be_profitable._Are they using_solely their profits to expand more slowly? They
suck, because_they're having trouble delivering their products_on time. Great,
awesome_contribution.

~~~
notenoughstuff
>__This_graph shows you they_spent money to launch the Model_S, then went
> profitable._

The graph doesn't_"show" anything. You are interpreting it in_a specific
(favourable) way. I don't agree._Also, free cash flow positive_is not
"profit".

>__One sure mark of a_hater is that_there doesn_'t exist a_configuration of
> reality that will satisfy_their objections._

Oh, there_it is. Any criticism means you're_a_hater.

I'm looking at_the_numbers._That's reality._You, on the_other_hand, are
operating_on_future assumptions that may or may_not_come to pass. "Becoming
profitable" isn't a given,_just because Elon said_so._As of right now,_they
are losing money at an_accelerating rate. I guess we'll see.

And_by the_way, I'm_not hater. I can see Tesla being the next Mazda, who_make
some of the most popular cars_in my area. Great_cars, great_company._Do you
know what_its_market cap_is? $8BB. At Tesla's current market cap_they need_to
build millions and millions of cars_at substantial profit. You_can_believe
that they'll achieve that and an_investment today still wouldn't be worth_it.
Does that surprise you?

~~~
martythemaniak
What you're_missing_is_that Tesla does not want_to be a Mazda, nor a_Ford, nor
even a_Toyota. They want to be an industrial_behemoth_that powers every part
of the carbon-free_economy._They want to be a GM,_GE,_ConEd,_Exxon and Uber
rolled into one._This is