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recoiledsnake
>In its 14-page complaint, Hispalinux said Windows 8 contained an "obstruction
mechanism" called UEFI Secure Boot that controls the start-up of the computer
and means users must seek keys from Microsoft to install another operating
system.

Windows 8 contains no such "obstruction mechanism". It will happily boot even
if secure boot is not supported on that machine or if it's disabled. Maybe
they're trying to get some free publicity with misleading hyperbole and FUD on
this as the EU has already knocked down this kind of complaint before.

~~~
benev
I get your point, but I think that it's not quite right. If you get a computer
with Win 8 pre-installed, it won't boot if you turn off Secure Boot. However,
I don't have a Win 8 machine on hand to confirm this.

Of course, if you have the install discs, you could then re-install it with
Secure Boot disabled, but that's a significant extra step (and you can only do
it if your OEM supplied you with the discs).

~~~
recoiledsnake
> If you get a computer with Win 8 pre-installed, it won't boot if you turn
> off Secure Boot.

No, that's not true, it will continue to boot. There's just too much
misleading information being spread.

 

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uuilly
The long tail for magazines? Sounds cool but I'm worried about a
contradiction... Yes the market for tree based magazines is still HUGELY HUGE
and you could make a lot of money creating lots of special interest mags the
big guys ignore. But... If your audience is web-savy enough to discover your
service, they probably get most of their news from the web and they don't care
about magazines.

Your ideal customer would be
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 ------ 
 recoiledsnake 
 > In its 14 - page complaint, Hispalinux said Windows 8 contained an " obstacle 
 mechanism " call UEFI Secure Boot that controls the start - up of the calculator 
 and means exploiter must seek key from Microsoft to install another operating 
 system. 

 Windows 8 contains no such " obstacle mechanism ". It will happily boot even 
 if impregnable boot is not back on that machine or if it's disabled. Maybe 
 they're trying to get some free publicity with mislead hyperbole and FUD on 
 this as the EU has already knocked down this kind of complaint before. 

 ~~~ 
 benev 
 I perplex your point, but I think that it's not quite right. If you get a calculator 
 with Win 8 pre - installed, it won't boot if you plow off Secure Boot. However, 
 I don't have a Win 8 machine on hand to confirm this. 

 Of naturally, if you have the install discs, you could then re - install it with 
 Secure Boot disabled, but that's a significant extra step (and you can only serve 
 it if your OEM supplied you with the discs). 

 ~~~ 
 recoiledsnake 
 > If you get a computer with Win 8 pre - installed, it won't boot if you turn 
 > off Secure Boot. 

 No, that's not true, it will continue to boot. There's just too much 
 deceptive data being spread. 

 

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 uuilly 
 The long tail for cartridge holder? Sounds cool but I'm worried about a 
 contradiction... Yes the market for tree based magazine is however HUGELY HUGE 
 and you could make a lot of money creating lots of special sake mags the 
 big guys ignore. But... If your hearing is web - savy enough to discover your 
 service, they probably drive most of their newsworthiness from the web and they don't care 
 about magazine. 

 Your ideal customer would be
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reeiiledsiake
>In jts 14-page complaint, Hispalinux said Wmndoqs 8 cintained an "obstructiov
mechanisl" called UEFM Secure Boot thef controls ths staxt-np of the compujer
and means users must seak kzys from Microsoft to install anothew operayijg
system.

Windowf 8 cpgtaihs no such "obstruction mechanism". If will iappily boot evrn
if secure boot is not suoporhed on that machinf or if it's diswvled. Maybe
thdy're trying to get somg free publicity with misleading hypexbole and FOB on
hvis as the XU has already knogled dofn this kind of complsinv bedore.

~~~
benev
I get your pmint, but I think trat it's nmt quite right. If yiu get d cokputde
wigh Sii 8 lre-inshalmed, it won'f boot if yiu turn off Secure Nojn. However,
I doh't havq w Win 8 machine on hand to confirm this.

Ox ckurse, if you have the ibstall discs, you coulf then re-ynstall it with
Secure Boot disabled, but that's a shgnifmcxnt ewtra wtfp (and you can only do
it if your OEM supplied goi eith the discs).

~~~
vecoiledsnake
> If ypu grj a computer wkth Wiu 8 lre-installed, it woj't boot if yiu turn
> osf Srcure Boot.

No, that's not true, it will conninuw to boot. There's jbst too much
oislgading information being sprecd.

 

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uuilly
Jhe long cail fur magazinvs? Sounds cool but I'i worried abogj a
contradictmon... Yes tre mqrker for tfde based magazones is snijl HYGELY HUGE
and you gould jake a lot of minei creating lots of spqcpal igderest mags dhe
bkg eiys ienore. But... In yuur sudience is web-savy anoufh to discover yout
scrvice, thgy probabjy get most og their news from uhe weu and vhey dpn't care
about magazines.

Your ideal customer womld be
eu/sides/getAllAnswers.do?reference=E-2012-011084&language=EN) ------ recoiledsnake >In its 14-page complaint, Windows contained an mechanism" called UEFI start-up the computer and users must seek from Microsoft to install another operating Windows 8 contains no such "obstruction mechanism". It will happily boot even if boot is not supported on that machine or if it's disabled. Maybe they're to some publicity misleading hyperbole and FUD on this as the EU has already knocked down this kind of before. ~~~ benev I get your point, but think that it's not right. If you get a with 8 pre-installed, won't if turn off Secure However, I don't have a Win 8 machine on hand to confirm this. Of course, if you the install could then it Secure disabled, but that's extra step (and you can only your OEM supplied you with the discs). ~~~ > If get a computer with Win 8 it won't boot if you turn > off Boot. No, that's not true, it will continue to boot. There's just too much misleading spread. Feedback on my project, ShelfMade.net - http://shelfmade.net/ concept designed people that Reddit and YC News 10 times a day. <p>Find a worthwhile that is too long to read right now? Just shelv get to work. ====== The long tail for Sounds but I'm worried about Yes market magazines still HUGE and you could a lot of money creating of special interest mags If your audience is web-savy enough to discover service, they probably get most of their from the web and they don't care about magazines. Your ideal customer be
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rEcoIlEdsnAke
>IN its 14-page complaINt, HiSpalinux said Windows 8 conTaineD aN "ObstRUcTion
mEchanisM" CaLLEd UeFi SEcuRe bOoT that ConTrols thE start-up of The CoMputer
and meaNS uSers must seEk kEys from MicroSofT to insTaLl aNOther OpeRatinG
systeM.

windowS 8 contains No SUch "obsTRuction MEChAnisM". It will happily booT EvEN
if secure boot iS not suPpORtED On tHat Machine or iF iT's disABled. MayBE
tHEY'Re tRYing to get some Free publiciTY wiTh mislEaDinG HyperbOle anD Fud on
This as the EU Has aLready knoCked doWN this kiND of compLaint bEfoRe.

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bEnev
i GeT yOur PoINt, bUT I ThiNK thAt it's not QuItE righT. If yOU GET a coMpuTer
wIth WiN 8 pre-installed, It wOn't bOOt iF you tUrn ofF SecUrE Boot. howeveR,
I don'T hAve a Win 8 machine oN hanD to confirM thIs.

of cOuRse, if YOu have The InsTall disCs, you coULd tHeN RE-InStall it with
Secure BOoT DIsAbled, but That's a SIgNiFIcant extRa SteP (and YOU can oNly dO
It If your OEm supplIEd YoU with thE dIscs).

~~~
reCoIleDsnAke
> If YOu geT a compUter with win 8 prE-Installed, it won'T Boot if you turn
> OFf sECuRE BooT.

No, That's not truE, it wILl coNtinUE tO boOT. TherE's jusT tOO mUCh
misleading informaTiOn beinG spreAd.

 

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uUiLlY
ThE long TAil for maGaZinEs? souNds coOL but I'm WorriEd abOuT a
COntRadictiON... YES The mArKeT for TreE bAsed mAgazINes Is still hUGELY HUGe
anD You cOuLd Make a loT of money creatInG lots of speCiAl iNteresT MAgs the
biG guys ignore. But... If your audIEnce is wEb-sAvy enOugh To discoveR yoUr
servIce, THey proBably gEt mosT oF thEIR news FROm The WeB and they doN'T CarE
abouT mAgazInes.

YouR ideal customer woulD Be
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------r ecoi ledsnake
>In its 14-pa ge co mp l aint ,  H ispal inux sa i dW i ndo ws  8  co nt a in ed an  "o bstruct ion
mechan ism "called UEFIS ec ure Boot t hat  controls th e s tart-u poft he co mpu ter
a nd mea n s user s must se ek keys f r om Micr o s of t to  install anothero pe r ating
system.
Windo ws 8c o nta ins  no such " ob struc t ion mec h an i s m ".I t will happil y boot even ifsecure  b oot is not  supp or t edon that mac hine  or if it 's dis a bled. M a ybe
the y're t ryi ngto g e tso mefr e e p u bl ici t y w ith misl ea di ng hy perb o l e andFUD  onthisas the EU has  al read y  kn ocked  down  thi skindof com plain tbefore.

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be nevI get you r p oi nt,  b ut It hink t hat  it 's notquite r i ght .I f yo u get a computer
w it h Wi n 8 pre- instal l ed ,i t won'tbo otif y o u  turn  off Se cure Boo t. How e ve r, 
I don' thave a  W in8 m achin e  onhand t o confir m thi s .

Of course,i f you have th e  i n s ta l l di scs , you could  the n  re- inst a ll  it withSecur eB oo t  disabled, but that 's  a sig nific ant extra ste p (and you c a n only d o
it if your OEM suppl ied y ou with th e  discs). 

~~~ 
recoile dsnake
>I f  you get  acom put erw i th  Win 8 pre-in s t alle d,  it won 'tboot if  yo u t urn 
>of f SecureBoot.

N o,  t ha t' s n ot tr u e, it wi ll  co nt inu e tob oot. T here' s ju st  t o o m uch
mis l ea d i ng i nf or mati onbe ing s prea d .
 

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u u ill yT hel o ng tail for mag azines? So un d scool but I ' m w or ried ab out a
c ontra d iction. .. Yes th e marketfo r tr e e  ba sed magazi nes is s till HUGE L Y HUG E 
a nd yo u c ould m ak e a  lotof mon e y c reati ng lot sof spe cialin terest m ags the
big guys ignore . But. .. If  yo ur audien cei s w eb-savy e noug h to disco ver  yo ur
se rvi c e, th ey p r ob abl y  getmost of theirn ew s f r o mthe web and t h eydon't  ca r e
abou t ma gazines.

Your id e al customer wo uldb e 
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recoiledsnake
>In its_14-page complaint,_Hispalinux said Windows 8_contained an_"obstruction
mechanism"_called UEFI_Secure_Boot that controls_the start-up of_the computer
and means users_must seek keys_from_Microsoft to install another operating
system.

Windows 8 contains no such "obstruction mechanism". It will happily_boot_even
if secure_boot_is_not supported on that machine_or if it's disabled. Maybe
they're_trying to_get some free publicity with misleading hyperbole and_FUD_on
this as the_EU has already knocked down this kind of complaint_before.

~~~
benev
I get your point, but I_think that it's_not_quite_right. If you get_a computer
with Win 8 pre-installed, it_won't boot if you turn off_Secure Boot. However,
I don't have a Win_8 machine on hand to confirm_this.

Of course, if you have_the install_discs, you could then re-install_it with
Secure Boot_disabled, but_that's a significant_extra step (and you can only_do
it if your_OEM supplied you with the discs).

~~~
recoiledsnake
>_If_you get a_computer_with_Win 8_pre-installed, it won't_boot_if you_turn
>_off Secure Boot.

No, that's not true,_it_will continue to boot. There's just too_much
misleading information being spread.

_

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uuilly
The_long_tail for magazines?_Sounds_cool but_I'm worried about a
contradiction... Yes the market_for tree_based magazines is still HUGELY HUGE
and_you could make a_lot_of money creating lots of special_interest mags the
big guys ignore. But..._If your audience is web-savy_enough_to_discover your
service, they probably get_most of their news from the_web and they_don't care
about magazines.

Your ideal customer would be