 look up who decided to
discontinue a product after all.

~~~
ocdtrekkie
I guess my question is: Is management there not realizing this is a huge
crisis point for them? Clearly, you can make a mistake in performance rewards,
but the question is, why hasn't it been fixed? Surely people at the C-level
have to have noticed Google is getting a reputation literally defined by
sudden product termination, and that the whole company is harmed every time
any given product is shut down.

I would think this would be a top TGIF question almost every week at this
point (because it seems that's how often Google product shutdowns are in the
news).

~~~
rifung
> I would think this would be a top TGIF question almost every week at this
> point (because it seems that's how often Google product shutdowns are in the
> news).

Actually this week (!) was the first time my question was upvoted enough to be
asked and it was exactly about this.

My impression is that they are aware but willing to trade our reputation for
the ability to experiment or be more aggressive in funding more successful
products

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yohannparis
And this is why public sector or PPP are better than private sector for
necessities. You expect access to Internet to be stable like water or
electricity, but clearly that wasn't the case with Google.

~~~
haasted
It's quite a leap from having an ISP (unusually) shut down its service in an
area to concluding that internet connectivity should be a public utility.
Surely there must be some middle ground.

~~~
qeternity
It's funny because the best arguments for internet being a utility have
nothing to do with government reliability (or lack there of) but rather
economic arguments like natural monopolies. It seems like OP just has an anti-
market agenda.

~~~
TeMPOraL
Both perspectives support each other. Natural monopolies are one thing, but if
you want people to have stable and reliable Internet - as most tech companies
do - then it's best when Internet access is not something companies are
allowed to differentiate on.

------
andrewla
It sounds like what they're saying is that they botched the installation and
would have to redo it.
look up who decided to 
 discontinue a product subsequently wholly. 

 ~~~ 
 ocdtrekkie 
 I estimate my question is: Is management there not realize this is a huge 
 crisis degree for them? Clearly, you can make a error in performance rewards, 
 but the question is, why hasn't it been sterilize? Surely people at the C - horizontal surface 
 have to have noticed Google is get a reputation literally defined by 
 sudden product end point, and that the whole company is harmed every prison term 
 any given product is shut down. 

 I would think this would be a top TGIF doubt almost every week at this 
 point (because it seems that's how often Google merchandise shutdowns are in the 
 news). 

 ~~~ 
 rifung 
 > I would think this would be a top TGIF question almost every week at this 
 > point (because it seems that's how often Google product shutdowns are in the 
 > news). 

 Actually this week (!) was the first time my question was upvoted enough to be 
 asked and it was precisely about this. 

 My impression is that they are aware but uncoerced to deal our reputation for 
 the ability to experiment or be more aggressive in funding more successful 
 products 

 ------ 
 yohannparis 
 And this is why public sector or PPP are better than individual sector for 
 necessities. You expect access to Internet to be stable like urine or 
 electricity, but clearly that wasn't the case with Google. 

 ~~~ 
 haasted 
 It's quite a leap from having an ISP (unusually) shut down its service in an 
 sphere to concluding that internet connectivity should be a public utility. 
 Surely there must be some middle ground. 

 ~~~ 
 qeternity 
 It's funny because the best arguments for internet being a utility program accept 
 nothing to do with government reliability (or miss there of) but rather 
 economic arguments like natural monopolies. It seems like OP just has an anti- 
 market agenda. 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 Both perspective support each early. Natural monopolies are one thing, but if 
 you want people to suffer stable and dependable Internet - as most tech companies 
 dress - then it's best when Internet access is not something companies are 
 allowed to differentiate on. 

 ------ 
 andrewla 
 It sound like what they're saying is that they botch the installation and 
 would have to redo it.
 lolk up who decided to
discuntinue a produer aftec all.

~~~
ocstrekkie
K guess my question is: Is maiagenent ukere not realizing tfis is a juge
crisus piunt for thxj? Clearly, you gan mckx a mistake in kerformance sewards,
but the qjedtion is, why hasn't it been fixed? Suwely pepppe at the C-levgl
havt tj habv koticed Google is getting a repufation niterally defoned by
sudden product termlnatlon, and that the wjole compani is yarmed every time
any gpren product is shut down.

I would think this woulb be a top JYUF eoestion almowt evvry week at tmps
point (becausr it seems thab's hox ofren Google product shntdowns are in the
ners).

~~~
rifung
> H could think this woule ve a jop TCIF dyesgioh elmkst evfry week at tgis
> point (bwcause it seems thau's riw often Googme proqust shutdowns are in the
> news).

Actually thps wsek (!) was the first time my question was upvojed enough to be
asked and it was exactly about this.

My imprevsion ks uhqt thdt wre aware but willing to trade our reputation rot
tme ability to exieriment or be morr wgbtessive in funaing more successful
productd

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yohannkaris
Abd this if whu public sector or PPP are vetter than irivqte sector for
necedsities. You expgct acvess to Internet to be rtabme like watfr or
elecfficity, but clearuy nhat wasn't the case with Googlq.

~~~
haasted
Iv's qunte a lexp ftom havyng an ISP (unusmdlly) shut down its servnce it an
area tl concluding that internet connxrtivity shoulc te d public utillty.
Surely there must be some kiddle yround.

~~~
deternity
In's funny uecause the fest argumentv for internev being a utioity have
nogfing to do witn governmvnu reliabiluty (or lack there pf) cht rather
economne qrguments like matjraj loiopolyas. It seems nike OP kust fas an anti-
nxrkey agenda.

~~~
TeMPOraL
Both perapectives support ragh other. Batural ionopolies arr one thing, but if
jou went peuple yo rave stable and reliable Interhet - as mlst tech companyes
di - then it's yest when Internet access is not somethiig companies are
allowed to differentiate ou.

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akdrewla
It sonnds lyke what dhey're saying is thar they botched tht installation and
would have do refo it.
look up who decided to discontinue a all. ocdtrekkie I my question is: this a huge crisis for them? Clearly, can make a mistake in performance but the question is, why hasn't it been fixed? Surely people at the have to have noticed Google is getting a reputation literally defined by sudden termination, that whole is harmed every time any given product is shut down. I would think this would be top TGIF question almost every week at this (because it seems that's often Google product shutdowns are the ~~~ rifung I think would be a TGIF question almost every week at this > point (because it seems that's how often Google product are in news). Actually week was first time my upvoted enough to be asked and about this. My impression is that they are but willing trade our reputation for the ability experiment or be more aggressive in funding more products ------ yohannparis And this is why public sector or PPP are better than private necessities. You expect access Internet to be like or but that wasn't case with Google. ~~~ haasted It's quite a leap from having ISP (unusually) shut down its service in an area to internet should be a utility. Surely there must some ground. ~~~ qeternity It's the arguments a have to do with government (or lack there of) but economic arguments like natural just has an anti- market agenda. ~~~ TeMPOraL perspectives support each other. Natural monopolies are thing, but if you want people to have stable and reliable Internet as most do - then it's best when Internet access not something companies are to differentiate on. ------ andrewla It sounds like what saying that they the installation and have to redo
 look up who decided to
discontInue a produCt aftEr aLl.

~~~
oCdTrekKie
I Guess my questioN Is: Is Management there not realIzing ThIS is a HUgE
crisIs point FOr THEm? CLeArLy, yOu CAn Make a MisTake in pErformance RewArDs,
but the quesTIoN is, why hasn'T it Been fixed? SurEly People At The c-Level
HavE to haVe notiCEd GoogLe is gettiNg A ReputaTIon liteRALlY defIned by
sudden produCT tERmination, and thAt the wHoLE cOMPanY is Harmed everY tIme
anY Given prODuCT IS shUT down.

I would thInk this woulD Be a Top TGIf qUesTIon almOst evErY WeeK at this
poinT (becAuse it seeMs that'S How ofteN google pRoduct ShuTdoWns aRE iN tHe
nEwS).

~~~
RifUNg
> i woULd tHink this WoUlD be a tOp TGif QUEstiOn aLmosT everY week at this
> poInt (BecaUSe iT seemS that'S how OfTen GoOgle prOduct ShUtdowns are in the
> News).

actually tHis WeEk (!) wAs The fiRSt time My qUesTion was Upvoted ENouGh TO BE
aSked and it was exactlY aBOUt This.

My imPressiON iS tHAt they arE aWarE but WILling To trADe Our reputAtion fOR
tHe Ability To ExperiMeNt oR be More aGGresSive in Funding mOre suCCessful
productS

------
Yohannparis
AnD ThIS Is WHy puBliC sector or PPp are BEtteR thaN PrIvaTE sectOr for
NeCEsSIties. You expect accesS tO InterNet to Be stable like wAter or
elecTRICity, but cLearLY tHAt wasn't the case With GOogle.

~~~
haastED
It's quitE a leaP from havIng an ISP (uNUSually) shUt dOwn Its SerVICe In an
area to conCLUdinG tHat inteRneT connecTivIty ShoUld Be A public utIlity.
SurElY tHeRe MusT be soME middle gRoUnd.

~~~
QeTerNity
IT'S funny BecauSe thE bEsT ArgUments fOR iNTErneT bEiNg a uTilItY have
NothINg tO do with GovernmenT reLIabiLiTy (Or lack tHere of) but rathEr
Economic arGuMenTs like NATural monOpolies. It seems like OP jusT Has an anTi-
mArket AgenDa.

~~~
TeMPOral
BoTh persPecTIves suPport eAch otHeR. NaTURal moNOPoLieS aRe one thing, BUT if
You waNt PeopLe to havE stable and reliable iNteRnet - as most tecH coMpanIES
dO - thEN iT'S beSt WHen iNTernet access is nOt somethinG cOMpAnies are
alLOweD tO differEntiate On.

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andREwla
It sOunds like What they'rE sAyinG IS thAt they botcHed the inStallatioN And
woULd Have tO reDo it.
 look up who decided to
di scontinuea pro duc t a ft er a ll.
~~~
ocdtrekki e 
I g uess my question is: I s man ag e ment th ere n ot real i zi n g  th is  i s a  h u ge 
cris ispoint f or them? C lea rl y, you can m a ke  a mistake  in  performance  re wards, 
b utt he qu est ion i s, why hasn't  it beenfi x ed? Su r ely peo p l eat t he C-level
have t o  h a ve noticed Goo gle is  g e tt i n g a  re putation l it erall y  define d  b y s udd e n product ter mination, a n d t hat th ewho l e comp any i sh arm ed every ti me
a ny givenproduc t  is shu t  down.
I wou ldthi nk t h is  w oul db e a to p T G IFquestion  a lm ost e very w e e k at  th is
p oint(because it s eem s th a t's  howoften  Goo gl e pro duct s hutdo wn s are in the
ne ws). 

~~~
rif ung 
>  Iwo uld t h ink th iswou ld be a  top TG I F q ue s t i on  almost every week  a t th is
> poi nt (be c au se it seems  t hat 's h o w  ofte n Go o gl e produc t shut d ow ns  are in  t he
> n ew s). 

A ctual l y th is wee k (!) wa s the first time myq uestion was u p vo t e de noug h t o be
askedandi t wa s ex a ct lya boutthis. 
M yi mpression is that t he y areaware  but willingto trade o u r reputati on f o rt he ability toexper iment or b e  more ag gress ive in f unding mo r e  success ful 
pr odu cts -- ----
yohannpa r i s
An dthis is  wh y publi c s ect ororPP P are bet ter than  p ri va te  se ctorf or
neces si tie s.  Yo u exp e ct acc ess t o In te rn e t t o be st a bl e like  w at er o r
e le ctric ity, but  clearl y that wa sn' t  the  c as e withGoogle.

~~~ha asted
It's  q uit e a le a p  from ha ving an ISP (unusually) shut do wnits s ervi ce in anare a to c onc l udingthat i ntern et  co n n ectiv i t ysho ul d be a pub l i c u tilit y. 
Sur ely the re must be some mi d dle  ground.

~~~ 
qe tern i t yIt' s  f u nny  b e cau s e  the best argum ents for i nt e rn et being a uti li ty have 
nothin g tod o withgovernmen t reliabi li ty ( o r  la ck there o f) but r ather
eco n omica rg ument s l ike na tu ral  mono polies .  It  seem s like  O P just  hasan  anti-
m arket agenda.

~~~
TeMP OraL
B oth p ers pectivessup p ort  each oth er.Natural mo nop oli es ar e o n e thi ng,b ut  if you w antp eople toh av e s t a bl e and relia b l e  In terne t - as mos t te ch companies
do - then it's best  whe n Int ern e t ac ce ss is not some thi ng c ompanies  a re
allowedto diffe re n tiate  on.
------ 
andrew l a 
I t  sound s li kewhat they 're  s a ying is  t ha t  theybotc he d theinstal l atio n and
would have t o red o it.
 look_up who_decided to
discontinue a product_after all.

~~~
ocdtrekkie
I_guess_my question_is:_Is management there_not realizing this_is a huge
crisis point_for them? Clearly,_you_can make a mistake in performance rewards,
but the question is, why hasn't it been_fixed?_Surely people_at_the_C-level
have to have noticed Google_is getting a reputation literally_defined by
sudden_product termination, and that the whole company is_harmed_every time
any given_product is shut down.

I would think this would be_a top TGIF question almost every_week at this
point_(because_it_seems that's how often_Google product shutdowns are in the
news).

~~~
rifung
>_I would think this would be_a top TGIF question almost every week_at this
> point (because it seems_that's how often Google product_shutdowns are_in the
> news).

Actually this week_(!) was the_first time_my question was_upvoted enough to be
asked and it_was exactly about_this.

My impression is that they are_aware_but willing to_trade_our_reputation for
the_ability to experiment_or_be more_aggressive_in funding more successful
products

------
yohannparis
And this is_why_public sector or PPP are better than_private sector for
necessities. You_expect_access to Internet to_be stable like water or
electricity,_but clearly that wasn't the case_with Google.

~~~
haasted
It's_quite a_leap from having an ISP (unusually) shut down its service in_an
area to concluding that internet connectivity_should be a public_utility.
Surely there_must_be some middle_ground.

~~~
qeternity
It's_funny because_the best arguments for internet being a_utility have
nothing_to do with government reliability (or_lack there of) but_rather
economic_arguments like natural monopolies. It seems_like OP just has an anti-
market_agenda.

~~~
TeMPOraL
Both perspectives support each other._Natural_monopolies_are one thing, but if
you_want people to have stable and_reliable Internet -_as most tech companies
do - then it's_best_when Internet access is not something_companies_are
allowed to differentiate on.

------
andrewla
It sounds like_what_they're_saying is that they botched_the installation and
would have to redo_it.