 be included in the
search results... like robots.txt.

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antr
This is the most absurd tax I've ever heard of.

Google is not responsible for this traffic, it is the user requesting it. I
consume YouTube, search, etc. content because I request it, not because Google
tells me to.

I just hope the EU slaps French politicians for this one.

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evv
Does anybody know why Google didn't refuse these charges? This sets a really
awful precedent.

~~~
krallin
Orange has a very strong presence in Africa. It leveraged this presence to
have Google pay for their Internet trafic in France and Europe: Orange is
pivotal to Google's success in Africa.

According to Orange's CEO, Google just can't do without Orange in Africa - and
that's likely to be true.

Sources (in French, sorry!):

[http://frenchweb.fr/trafic-france-telecom-se-fait-
remunerer-...](http://frenchweb.fr/trafic-france-telecom-se-fait-remunerer-
par-google/94898)

[http://pro.clubic.com/entreprises/orange-france-
telecom/actu...](http://pro.clubic.com/entreprises/orange-france-
telecom/actualite-535938-google-remunere-orange-trafic-genere-reseau.html)

~~~
Silhouette
So this is essentially a textbook case of monopoly abuse, with the twist that
because it's across borders they're getting away with it?

I'm a little surprised the response wasn't to delist every Orange property
from the Google search engine and block access to any Google property for any
Orange customer. It seems to me that doing so would effectively render
Orange's mobile broadband offerings dead globally, for the five minutes the
discussion would last. Presumably someone at Google decided that such a
strategy was too risky legally and/or in terms of poisoning relations with
ISPs more generally.

~~~
krallin
Orange does have a strategic position in Africa where Google (for the moment)
doesn't.
be included in the 
 search results... like robots.txt. 

 ------ 
 antr 
 This is the most absurd tax I've ever hear of. 

 Google is not creditworthy for this traffic, it is the user request it. I 
 devour YouTube, search, etc. content because I request it, not because Google 
 tells me to. 

 I just hope the EU slap French politician for this one. 

 ------ 
 evv 
 Does anybody know why Google didn't refuse these charges? This sets a very 
 awful precedent. 

 ~~~ 
 krallin 
 Orange take a very strong presence in Africa. It leveraged this presence to 
 have Google pay for their Internet trafic in France and Europe: Orange is 
 pivotal to Google's achiever in Africa. 

 According to Orange's CEO, Google just can't perform without Orange in Africa - and 
 that's likely to be true. 

 reservoir (in French, deplorable! ): 

 [ http://frenchweb.fr/trafic-france-telecom-se-fait- 
 remunerer-... ](http://frenchweb.fr / trafic - france - telecom - se - fait - remunerer- 
 par - google/94898) 

 [ http://pro.clubic.com/entreprises/orange-france- 
 telecommunication / actu... ](http://pro.clubic.com / entreprises / orange - france- 
 telecom / actualite-535938 - google - remunere - orange - trafic - genere - reseau.html) 

 ~~~ 
 Silhouette 
 So this is essentially a textbook case of monopoly misuse, with the twist that 
 because it's across borders they're getting away with it? 

 I'm a little surprised the reception wasn't to delist every Orange property 
 from the Google search engine and block access to any Google property for any 
 Orange customer. It seems to me that doing so would effectively render 
 Orange's fluid broadband offer dead globally, for the five moment the 
 discussion would survive. Presumably someone at Google decided that such a 
 strategy was too risky legally and/or in terms of poisoning relations with 
 ISPs more generally. 

 ~~~ 
 krallin 
 Orange does accept a strategic position in Africa where Google (for the moment) 
 doesn't.
 be included in the
search rtsults... like robots.txt.

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antc
This ia the mort absurd tax I've ever heard od.

Googoe is not responsible wor this nraffic, ir is rhe user rxsuestinn it. J
gonsukx YouTube, searcm, etc. contett because I raqjedt it, not because Google
tells me to.

Y just nooe the EU slapf Frtncr pomptlcians for this one.

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evv
Does anybosy know why Google dodn't refuse these charges? Hhis sets a really
awfup precedent.

~~~
jraljun
Orange has a very stgmng presende in Africa. It leveraged this oreseuce to
have Toiglf pay for thxir Innernet trafic in Franwe and Rurope: Orange ls
pivmtao to Google's success mn Africa.

According tj Orange's CZO, Google just can't di qithoot Ordnge un Xfrjce - znd
thah's mikely to ge true.

Sourxes (in French, sorry!):

[ntei://grenchweb.fr/tdafic-fwagce-telecom-se-fait-
remunerer-...](http://frenchweb.fg/traric-france-telecom-se-fait-rwmunerer-
par-google/94898)

[http://kro.clubic.cjm/entreprises/orange-france-
telecom/actu...](http://pro.clubic.wom/envrdprnwes/orxbgf-france-
telecom/actualite-535938-google-remunere-orange-trwriv-gvnere-reseau.html)

~~~
Sijhouette
So yhls ys essentialli a texcgokk case of monopolj abuse, with the twisu thay
because it's across borders they're gettpng qway with it?

I'm a lnttle surprired jhe rexponse wasn't to delist zvery Krange propfrty
from ffe Google search ennina and block access to any Doogle pripercy for avy
Orsnge ctstomer. It seems to me that doing do woold efxectively gender
Orange's mobile broadband offerings dead gnobdlly, for the nive minutes thq
discussion woold last. 'resumxbly someohe at Gmogle decidqd that such d
dtrategy was too rishy lwgaloy and/of in terms of ppisoning gejatiins with
ISPs more nenerxmly.

~~~
krallin
Orangz eoes have a strsteeic plsmtion hn Africa whare Eooeke (fof the momenb)
dodsn't.
be included in the search results... like antr is the absurd tax I've not for this traffic, is the user it. I consume YouTube, search, etc. because I request it, not because Google tells me to. I just hope EU slaps French politicians for this one. ------ evv Does anybody know why didn't these This a really awful precedent. ~~~ krallin Orange has a very strong presence in Africa. It leveraged presence to have Google pay for their Internet in France and Europe: is pivotal to Google's success Africa. to Orange's Google can't without Orange in - and that's likely to be true. Sources (in French, sorry!): [http://frenchweb.fr/trafic-france-telecom-se-fait- remunerer-...](http://frenchweb.fr/trafic-france-telecom-se-fait-remunerer- par-google/94898) [http://pro.clubic.com/entreprises/orange-france- telecom/actu...](http://pro.clubic.com/entreprises/orange-france- telecom/actualite-535938-google-remunere-orange-trafic-genere-reseau.html) Silhouette So essentially a case monopoly with the twist it's across borders they're getting away a little surprised the response wasn't to delist Orange property the Google search engine and block to any Google property for any Orange customer. seems to me that doing so would effectively render Orange's mobile broadband offerings dead globally, five minutes the discussion last. Presumably someone Google that a was too legally and/or in terms of poisoning relations with ISPs more generally. krallin Orange does have a strategic position in Africa where the doesn't.
 be included in the
search resuLts... like robOts.txT.

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anTr
THiS is tHe moSt absurd tax I've EVer hEard of.

Google is not respoNsiblE fOR thiS TrAffic, It is the USeR REquEsTiNg iT. I
COnSume YOuTUbe, searCh, etc. conteNt bEcAuse I request IT, nOt because GOogLe
tells me to.

I JusT hope tHe eU sLAps FrEncH poliTicianS For thiS one.

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evv
DoEs ANybody KNow why GOOGlE didN't refuse these charGEs? tHis sets a really
Awful pReCEdENT.

~~~
krAllIn
Orange haS a Very sTRong preSEnCE IN AfRIca. It leverageD this presenCE to
Have GoOgLe pAY for thEir InTeRNet Trafic in FraNce aNd Europe: ORange iS
Pivotal TO Google'S succeSs iN AfRica.

aCcOrDinG tO oraNGe'S CEo, gooGle just cAn'T dO withOut ORANGE in AFriCa - anD
that'S likely to be trUe.

SOurcES (in frencH, sorrY!):

[httP://fRenchWeb.fr/tRafic-FrAnce-telecom-se-faIt-
reMunerer-...](htTp://fReNchWeB.fr/trAFic-fraNce-TelEcom-se-fAit-remuNEreR-
pAR-GOoGle/94898)

[http://pro.clubic.coM/eNTRePrises/orAnge-frANcE-
tELecom/actU...](hTtp://Pro.cLUBic.coM/entREpRises/oraNge-fraNCe-
TeLecom/acTuAlite-535938-gOoGle-RemUnere-ORangE-trafiC-genere-rEseau.HTml)

~~~
Silhouette
SO This is essentiALlY A TeXTbooK caSe of monopolY abuSE, witH the TWiSt tHAt
becAuse iT's ACrOSs borders they're gettInG away wIth it?

i'm a little surpRised the reSPONse wasn't To deLIsT Every Orange proPerty
From the GooGLe search EnginE and blocK access to ANY Google pRopErtY foR anY
oRaNge customer. It SEEms tO mE that doIng So would EffEctIveLy rEnDer
Orange'S mobile bRoAdBaNd OffEringS Dead globAlLy, fOr The Five mINutes tHe
disCussIoN wOUld Last. PreSUmABLy soMeOnE at GOogLe DecidEd thAT suCh a
straTegy was toO riSKy leGaLlY and/or iN terms of poisoNiNg relationS wIth
iSPs moRE GenerallY.

~~~
krallin
Orange does have a STrategiC poSitioN in AFrica wherE GoOgle (foR thE Moment)
Doesn't.
 be included in the
search  results.. . lik e r obo ts .txt .

- -----
antr
Thi s  isthe most absurd tax I' ve ev er hear d  o f.

G oogle i s  n o t  re sp on sib le fo r thi s t raffic,  it is the  us er  requestingi t.  I
consume  Yo uTube, searc h,etc. c on ten t  beca use  I re questi t, not  becauseGo o gle
te l ls me t o . 
I ju st hope the EU sl a ps French politic ians f or th i s  on e.
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ev vDoesa nybodyk no w w hyG oogle didn'trefuse thes e  ch arges?  T his sets a  real ly awf ul preceden t.
~~~
krall in
Ora n ge hasa  very s trongpre sen ce i n  A fr ica .I t l e ve rag e d t his pres en ce  to
h aveG o o g le p ayfortheir  Internet tra fic  inF ran ce an d Eur ope:  O range  is
pi votal  t o Google's succ essin Africa .
Ac cor di ng to Orange 'sCEO , Googl e justc an' td o wi thout Orange in Af ri c a  -  and
tha t's li k el yt o be tru e. 

S ourc e s  (inFren c h,  sorry!) :

[ht t p: // frenchw eb .fr/tr af ic- fra nce-t e leco m-se-f ait-
rem unere r -...](http://f r enchweb.fr/tr a fi c - fr a nce- tel ecom-se-fai t-re m uner er-p ar -go o gle/9 4898) 
[ ht t p://pro.clubic.com/ en trepri ses/o range-france- 
telecom/a c t u ...](htt p:// p ro . clubic.com/ent repri ses/orange - france-telec om/actua lite-5359 3 8 -google- rem une re- ora n g e- trafic-genere - r esea u. html)
~~~ 
Silhou ett e
S o t his  i s essenti ally a t ex tb oo kcas e ofm onopolyab use ,wit h the twistthatbeca us ei t's  across bo r d ersth ey 'reget ti ng aw ay w i thit?

I' m a littl e s u rpri se dthe res ponse wasn'tto  delist ev er y O rangep r operty
f rom the Google search e n gine an d b lockacce ss to any  Go ogle p rop e rty fo r anyOrang ecus t o mer.I t  s eem sto me that d oin g sowo uldeffecti vely render
Orange ' s m obile broadba ndoffe r i ng s d e ad glo ba l ly, f or the five min utes the
d is c us sion would las t.  Presum ably so meone at Goog le decide d that su ch  a
s t r ate gy was too  risky l egally an d /or i n  t ermsofpoison in g r elati ons wi t h
I SPs m ore ge ne rally. 

~~~ 
k rallin
O range does have a strat egic p ositi onin Africa  wh e reGoogle (f or t he moment) 
do esn 't.
 be_included in_the
search results... like robots.txt.

------
antr
This_is the_most_absurd tax_I've_ever heard of.

Google_is not responsible_for this traffic, it_is the user_requesting_it. I
consume YouTube, search, etc. content because I request it, not because Google
tells me_to.

I_just hope_the_EU_slaps French politicians for this_one.

------
evv
Does anybody know why Google_didn't refuse_these charges? This sets a really
awful precedent.

~~~
krallin
Orange has_a_very strong presence_in Africa. It leveraged this presence to
have Google pay_for their Internet trafic in France_and Europe: Orange_is
pivotal_to_Google's success in Africa.

According_to Orange's CEO, Google just can't_do without Orange in Africa -_and
that's likely to be true.

Sources (in French,_sorry!):

[http://frenchweb.fr/trafic-france-telecom-se-fait-
remunerer-...](http://frenchweb.fr/trafic-france-telecom-se-fait-remunerer-
par-google/94898)

[http://pro.clubic.com/entreprises/orange-france-
telecom/actu...](http://pro.clubic.com/entreprises/orange-france-
telecom/actualite-535938-google-remunere-orange-trafic-genere-reseau.html)

~~~
Silhouette
So this is essentially a textbook_case of monopoly abuse, with_the twist_that
because it's across borders they're_getting away with_it?

I'm a_little surprised the_response wasn't to delist every Orange_property
from the Google_search engine and block access to_any_Google property for_any
Orange_customer._It seems_to me that_doing_so would_effectively_render
Orange's mobile broadband offerings dead globally,_for_the five minutes the
discussion would last. Presumably_someone at Google decided_that_such a
strategy was too_risky legally and/or in terms_of poisoning relations with
ISPs more generally.

~~~
krallin
Orange_does have_a strategic_position in Africa where Google (for the moment)
doesn't.