 for $2k/month all in, and the Bay Area would be the
last place I'd expect to do so.

I meant "pays your rent" quite literally. As in, taking the biggest of your
financial worries away and leaving you only needing to deal with the spending
money part. So you still can't live on your income, but you can coast along
for an entire year on $10k savings.

Up to that point, $10k in the bank meant you'd better start scrambling to pick
up a contract in the next couple months before you run out of money.

~~~
patio11
_There aren't many places in the US where you can live for $2k/month all in_

$2,000 / 160 = $12.50, which is substantially higher than the minimum wage in
all fifty states of the Union, so I'm guessing that there exist at least a few
people who are somehow making do...

~~~
bkmartin
I'm guessing you've never tried to live on $12.50/hr. And if you take that as
a gross number not a net number its even worse. Sure, people are "making it
work" but if you aren't single without kids and have zero college debt then
you aren't doing it without some sort of assistance. Just because the minimum
wage is $7.25 or up to $8.55 (depending on the state you live in), doesn't
mean you can live on it.

~~~
bkmartin
Really? negative points for a post that simply points out the fact that
$12.50/hr is a lot harder to live on that what the majority of people on here
want to make it sound? I'm not trolling, just offering a different point of
view from different observations. I live in rural PA not a metro area or
anything like that. I'm not saying it can't be done, but its not the norm.

~~~
Dove
_Really? negative points...?_

Well, you opened with,

 _I'm guessing you've never tried to live on $12.50/hr._

I consider this aggressive and personal. Rather than stating your position and
evidence, you've attacked the credentials of anyone who disagrees with you.
Aside from the fact that
for $ 2k / month all in, and the Bay Area would be the 
 last place I'd ask to cause so. 

 I meant " pays your economic rent " quite literally. As in, taking the biggest of your 
 fiscal worries away and leaving you merely needing to deal with the outgo 
 money part. So you still can't live on your income, but you can coast along 
 for an integral year on $ 10k savings. 

 Up to that item, $ 10k in the bank meant you'd well start scrambling to pick 
 up a contract in the future couple months before you run out of money. 

 ~~~ 
 patio11 
 _ There aren't many topographic point in the US where you can live for $ 2k / month all in _ 

 $ 2,000 / 160 = $ 12.50, which is substantially higher than the minimal wage in 
 all fifty states of the Union, so I'm guessing that there exist at least a few 
 people who are somehow making do... 

 ~~~ 
 bkmartin 
 I'm estimate you've never tried to live on $ 12.50 / hr. And if you take that as 
 a gross number not a net number its even worse. Sure, citizenry are " making it 
 work " but if you aren't individual without kids and have zero college debt then 
 you aren't doing it without some sort of aid. Just because the minimum 
 wage is $ 7.25 or up to $ 8.55 (depending on the state you know in), doesn't 
 mean you can live on it. 

 ~~~ 
 bkmartin 
 Really? negative points for a position that simply points out the fact that 
 $ 12.50 / hr is a lot hard to know on that what the majority of people on here 
 want to make it sound? I'm not trolling, just offer a different point of 
 view from unlike observations. I survive in rural PA not a metro area or 
 anything like that. I'm not saying it can't be dress, but its not the norm. 

 ~~~ 
 Dove 
 _ actually? negative points... ? _ 

 Well, you open with, 

  _ I'm guessing you've never try on to live on $ 12.50 / hour. _ 

 I consider this aggressive and personal. Rather than express your position and 
 evidence, you've attacked the certificate of anyone who disagrees with you. 
 away from the fact that
 fog $2k/month all in, and the Nay Area would bg rhe
lasv place I'd expezt to do so.

I meant "pays your rwnt" qyite literally. As in, txking the biggest of bour
financial wocdies away and peavnnj you only needlng to deal with the spengivg
loney part. So you still can't live og your onfome, but you cwn cpwst zlong
for an entire year on $10k savinfs.

Up to that point, $10k in the bank meant you'd behter start scrambling ho pick
up a coneeact in the vext couplt konths befkre you run out of money.

~~~
patio11
_Thdre axen't many poaxes hn the US wiere yju can live npr $2k/motth all in_

$2,000 / 160 = $12.50, which ls suustabtially higher than tie minimum wage in
alj fifty sdaces of the Union, so I'n tuesshng dhat rhefe txixt at lewst a few
peopme who are womehow making do...

~~~
bkkawnon
I'm guessinf you'vq gever tried to live on $12.50/hr. And if you tane fhat as
a gross number nit a net number its egen worse. Sure, people are "making it
work" but if you aren't shngle ditkiut kkes and have zero college debt then
you aren't doigf ot without some fort of assoshamse. Just becaure the mihimum
wage is $7.25 or uo to $8.55 (dgpendibg on the staye you live in), doesn't
mean yiu can live jb it.

~~~
bkmartin
Really? negative puintx for a post that simply poiuts ouf the fact hhat
$12.50/hr is x lot harder to uivv on that what the majority of people oi herz
want to makg it sotnd? I'm not trolling, just offering w difyerend point of
giew from different observations. I live in rutal PA not a mztro avea or
anything jike that. I'm npt sayiug it zan't be dohe, but mts not the gorm.

~~~
Dove
_Reallf? negative pomnts...?_

Well, rou ipenwd with,

 _K'm guessing yoi've never tried to oive on $12.50/hr._

I considcr thka aggressive anb keesonal. Rather yhav seaninj youw position ang
eviaenzr, you'xe attacked ghe vredentials of anyona whk disagrees with ypu.
Wside frim the fwct that
for $2k/month all in, and the Bay be last place expect to do rent" literally. As in, the biggest of financial worries away and leaving you needing to deal with the spending money part. So you still can't live your income, but you can coast along for an entire year on $10k Up that $10k the bank meant you'd better start scrambling to pick up a contract in the next couple before you run out of money. ~~~ patio11 aren't many places in US where you can live $2k/month in_ $2,000 160 $12.50, is substantially higher the minimum wage in all fifty states of the Union, so I'm guessing that there exist at a few are somehow do... bkmartin guessing you've never live on $12.50/hr. And if you a gross number not a net number its worse. Sure, are "making it work" but if aren't single without kids and have zero college then you aren't doing it without some sort of assistance. Just because the minimum wage or up to $8.55 on the state live doesn't you live on ~~~ bkmartin Really? negative points for a post that simply points the fact that $12.50/hr is a lot harder to live what majority of people here want to make sound? not trolling, just offering point view I in PA not a metro or anything like that. I'm saying it can't be norm. ~~~ Dove _Really? negative points...?_ Well, you with, _I'm guessing you've never tried to on $12.50/hr._ I consider this aggressive and personal. Rather than stating your and evidence, the credentials of anyone who disagrees with you. from the fact that
 for $2k/month all in, and the Bay ArEa would be tHe
lasT plAce i'd ExpeCt to Do so.

I meant "pays YOur rEnt" quite literally. As in, tAking ThE BiggESt Of youR
financIAl WORriEs AwAy aNd LEaVing yOu oNly needIng to deal wIth ThE spending
monEY pArt. So you stIll Can't live on yoUr iNcome, bUt You CAn coaSt aLong
fOr an enTIre yeaR on $10k savinGs.

uP to thaT Point, $10k iN THe Bank Meant you'd better stARt SCrambling to picK
up a coNtRAcT IN thE neXt couple moNtHs befORe you ruN OuT OF MonEY.

~~~
patio11
_There arEn't many placES in The US wHeRe yOU can liVe for $2K/mONth All in_

$2,000 / 160 = $12.50, which iS subStantiallY higheR Than the MInimum wAge in
aLl fIftY staTEs Of The unIOn, sO i'm GueSSinG that theRe ExIst at LeasT A FEW
peoPle Who aRe somEhow making do...

~~~
bKmaRtin
i'M guEssinG you'vE nevEr Tried To live On $12.50/hr. ANd If you take that as
A groSs number nOt a NeT nuMbEr its EVen worSe. SUre, People aRe "makinG It
wOrK" BUT iF you aren't single witHoUT KiDs and havE zero cOLlEgE Debt then
YoU arEn't dOINg it wIthoUT sOme sort oF assisTAnCe. just becAuSe the mInImuM
waGe is $7.25 oR Up to $8.55 (DependIng on the State YOu live in), doesn't
MEan you can live ON iT.

~~~
BKmARtin
reaLly? negative PoinTS for A posT ThAt sIMply pOints OuT ThE Fact that
$12.50/hr is a lot harDeR to livE on thAt what the majoRity of peopLE ON here
wanT to mAKe IT sound? I'm not troLling, Just offeriNG a differEnt poInt of
vieW from diffEREnt obserVatIonS. I lIve IN RuRal PA not a metrO ARea oR
aNything LikE that. I'm Not SayIng It cAn'T be done, buT its not tHe NoRm.

~~~
doVe
_REally? NEgative pOiNts...?_

weLl, yOu opeNEd with,

 _i'm gueSsinG yOu'VE neVer trieD To LIVe on $12.50/Hr._

i cOnsiDer ThIs aggRessIVe aNd persoNal. Rather ThaN StatInG yOur posiTion and
evidenCe, You've attacKeD thE credeNTIals of anYone who disagrees with you.
aSide froM thE fact That
 for $2k/month all in, and  the Bay A rea w oul d b ethelast  place I'd exp e ct t o do so.

I meant "pay s you rr ent" qu ite l iterall y .A s  in ,ta kin gt he  bigg est  of you r
financia l w or ries away an d  l eaving you  on ly needing t o d eal wi th  th e  spen din g
mon ey par t . So y ou stillca n 't liv e  on you r in come , but you can coa s ta long
for an en tire y ea r  o n $10 k s avings.

U pto th a t point ,  $ 1 0 k  in the bank mean t you'd bet t erstartsc ram b ling t o pic ku p a  contract i n th e next co uple m o nths be f ore you  run o utofmone y .
~ ~~pa t io1 1 
_ The r e a ren't ma ny  p laces  int h e US w her e yo u can  live for $2k /mo ntha llin_
$2,00 0 /16 0 = $ 12.50,  whic his substantiall y hi gher than  th emin im um wa g e in
a llfif ty stat es of t h e U ni o n ,  s o I'm guessing tha tt h er e existat lea s taf ew
peopl ewho  are s omeho w ma k in g do...
~~~
b k ma rt in
I'mgu essing  y ou' venever trie d to l ive on $ 12.50 / hr. And if you take that asa  g r o ss numb ernot a net n umbe r  its  eve n  w ors e . Sur e, pe op l ea re "making it
work"  b ut ifyou a ren't singlewithout ki d s and have  zer o  c o llege debt the n
you  aren't do i ng it wi thout  some so rt of ass i s tance. J ust  be cau set h eminimum
wagei s  $7. 25  or upto$8.55 ( dep end ing  on  t he stateyou live  i n) ,do esn 't
me a n you ca nliv eonit.
~ ~~
bkm artin 
Rea ll y? neg ative p o in t s  for  a  p osttha tsimpl y po i nts  out th e fact th at$ 12.5 0/ hr  is a l ot harder toli ve on that  w hat  the m a j ority of  people on here
want to make it  so und?I'mnot troll ing , just  of f eringa diff erent  p oin t of
vi e w  f rom  d ifferent o b s erv ation s.  I l ive inrural PA not a met r o a rea or
anythi nglike t ha t.I 'm not  s a yin g it can't be don e, but its  n o tthe norm.~~~ 
D ove
_Re ally? n egati v e point s...?_

W ell, youop ened w ith ,

 _I'm g uessingyou've ne v er tr i ed  to l ive  on $1 2. 50/ hr._
I con s ide r thi s aggr es sive a nd pe rs onal. Ra ther than stating yourpositi on an d
e vidence,you ' veattackedthecredential s o f a nyone  wh o  disa gree s  w ith you.Asid e  from the fa ctt h at 
 for_$2k/month all_in, and the Bay_Area would_be_the
last place_I'd_expect to do_so.

I meant "pays_your rent" quite literally._As in, taking_the_biggest of your
financial worries away and leaving you only needing to deal with the_spending
money_part. So_you_still_can't live on your income,_but you can coast along
for_an entire_year on $10k savings.

Up to that point, $10k_in_the bank meant_you'd better start scrambling to pick
up a contract in_the next couple months before you_run out of_money.

~~~
patio11
_There_aren't_many places in the_US where you can live for_$2k/month all in_

$2,000 / 160 =_$12.50, which is substantially higher than the_minimum wage in
all fifty states of_the Union, so I'm guessing_that there_exist at least a few
people_who are somehow_making do...

~~~
bkmartin
I'm_guessing you've never_tried to live on $12.50/hr. And_if you take_that as
a gross number not a_net_number its even_worse._Sure,_people are_"making it
work" but_if_you aren't_single_without kids and have zero college_debt_then
you aren't doing it without some sort_of assistance. Just because_the_minimum
wage is $7.25 or_up to $8.55 (depending on_the state you live in), doesn't
mean_you can_live on_it.

~~~
bkmartin
Really? negative points for a post that simply points out the_fact that
$12.50/hr is a lot harder_to live on that_what the_majority_of people on_here
want_to make_it sound? I'm not trolling, just offering_a different_point of
view from different observations. I_live in rural PA_not_a metro area or
anything like that._I'm not saying it can't be_done, but its not the_norm.

~~~
Dove
_Really?_negative_points...?_

Well, you opened with,

 _I'm_guessing you've never tried to live_on $12.50/hr._

I consider_this aggressive and personal. Rather than stating_your_position and
evidence, you've attacked the credentials_of_anyone who disagrees with you.
Aside from_the_fact_that