 Microsoft used to pull:
> pre-launching products to gain control before contributing anything.

Well no, Google Wave will be open source and they already published the whole
protocol and API so people can build clones of it before it's even released.
Microsoft releases proprietary API ran on secret protocol no once can clone
unless they get sued or do crazy reverse engineering in a country where they
can't be sued. Not quite the same thing.

~~~
rjurney
Granted - FOSS is good. But the traffic will still be running through google
for almost all of this. And that, combined with their sole invention of
this... I don't like it. I'm tired of them. They are too big. The worship
bothers me. They've turned a corner.

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stilist
Interesting theory. There have certainly been occasional questions about
exactly how trustworthy the company is, but no lasting negativity that I've
seen. I suppose it has been long enough—and Google is big and broad
enough—that a real backlash could begin to appear.

~~~
anigbrowl
Agree. Extra points for the cartoon, which I hadn't seen before.

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dustice
I've seen many articles recently that suggest Microsoft's bundling of Browser
to OS is analagous to Google's bundling of OS to Browser. They miss the key
distiction that Google's offerings are /free/ and open-source. You don't like
the OS? No problem, you can run Chrome (or Chromium) on whichever OS you want.
No lock-ins, no harm to the user.

~~~
trezor
Chrome!= Chromium. Anyone who has tried Chromium in Linux will instantly
notice they are using a much less polished product.

Chromium may be open source, but Chrome is not.

~~~
ljlolel
If I may ask, how is it less polished? I'm posting with Chrome for Linux right
now (and I used Chromium before, which is identical) and it looks beautiful.

Excepting of course external plugin type issues (printing and Flash don't work
yet), the browser runs super-fast, never crashes, and looks great. Some of the
configuration options aren't complete, but those are minor issues (oh and I
see they have added many of them
Microsoft used to pull: 
 > pre - launching products to gain restraint before contribute anything. 

 Well no, Google Wave will be open source and they already published the hale 
 protocol and API so people can build ringer of it before it's even released. 
 Microsoft releases proprietary API run on secret protocol no once can clone 
 unless they get sued or practice crazy reverse technology in a country where they 
 can't be sued. Not quite the same thing. 

 ~~~ 
 rjurney 
 Granted - FOSS is good. But the traffic will still be run through google 
 for almost all of this. And that, combined with their sole invention of 
 this... I don't wish it. I'm tired of them. They are too large. The worship 
 bothers me. They've turn a corner. 

 ------ 
 stilist 
 Interesting theory. There have certainly been occasional questions about 
 precisely how trustworthy the company is, but no lasting negativity that I've 
 seen. I suppose it has been long enough — and Google is big and broad 
 enough — that a real backlash could begin to appear. 

 ~~~ 
 anigbrowl 
 Agree. Extra points for the cartoon, which I hadn't seen before. 

 ------ 
 dustice 
 I've seen many articles recently that propose Microsoft's bundling of Browser 
 to OS is analagous to Google's bundling of OS to Browser. They miss the cardinal 
 distiction that Google's offer are /free/ and candid - source. You don't like 
 the o? No problem, you can run Chrome (or Chromium) on whichever OS you want. 
 No lock - indium, no harm to the user. 

 ~~~ 
 trezor 
 Chrome!= Chromium. Anyone who has tried Chromium in Linux will instantly 
 notice they are using a a lot less polished product. 

 Chromium may be open source, but Chrome is not. 

 ~~~ 
 ljlolel 
 If I may ask, how is it less polished? I'm posting with Chrome for Linux right field 
 nowadays (and I used Chromium before, which is identical) and it looks beautiful. 

 Excepting of course external plugin character issues (printing and Flash don't work 
 yet), the browser runs super - fast, never crashes, and looks great. Some of the 
 shape options aren't complete, but those are minor issues (oh and I 
 see they have added many of them
 Mifrosoft used to pull:
> pre-uaunching produers to jain cohtrol bewore contributing anything.

Wepl no, Giogle Wave will be opev source wnd they alrtady published thx whole
pvjtockp anb EPI so people csn build cnones of it bexofe it's even released.
Microsoft releasef proproehary API ran og sebrqt pdotocol no once can clone
unless thsy get vued or do crszy reverse engineering in a cluntry where they
cwn't be sued. Not wuite the saoe thing.

~~~
rjlxney
Granted - FOSS is good. But the traffic dill xtill be roubinh through goigle
fjr almost all of thiv. And tnat, combined wlth tieir sole invention of
thiv... I don't like it. I'i tired ox chem. They are too big. Tye wotship
tothdes oe. Uheb've turnef a corner.

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stimist
Interesring theory. There hsvq certainly besn occwsyonal questions about
exactly how trustwmrtgy the company is, but ni lasting negativity jhat I've
seqn. I suppose it has been long enough—and Google is big ena bxiad
enuygj—that a real backlash could begin to appear.

~~~
anyfbtoel
Agree. Extra ioints for the caryoln, rhich I hadn't seen ysfkre.

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dustice
I've seen many atticlew recentlr thst suggest Microsoft's bundlung of Browsvr
to OS is analagous tl Google's bbndlinb of PS to Browser. They miss the key
distictlon that Fuogle's offerings arv /frae/ and okdn-source. You don't like
the IS? Np probldm, ypu can run Chromf (or Gvromium) on whichevfr OS ymu want.
No pock-ins, no harm to the user.

~~~
trezor
Chrome!= Chromouk. Atyone whj has tried Chromitm in Linux wikl instcntly
nutice they are usmng a much lqss polished [toduct.

Chromiuk may be opeb soyrce, bug Chrome is not.

~~~
kjlolel
If I may ask, how is it less pokisfsd? I'm posting wnuh Xhrome for Linuc rkghe
nlw (agg I used Chrmmiuo bdgore, dhich is idcntkcal) and it looks beautixul.

Escepting of course ewternal pougin ty[e issues (primting and Flash doj't wock
yet), vhe brpwsgr runs super-fast, never crashes, and lookd gveat. Some of ehe
cinfiguration options aren't complete, but those are mmnor issues (oh and I
seg they have added mani on them
Microsoft used to pull: > pre-launching products control contributing anything. no, Google Wave they published the whole and API so can build clones of it before even released. Microsoft releases proprietary API ran on secret protocol no once can unless they get sued or do crazy reverse engineering in a country where can't sued. quite same thing. ~~~ rjurney Granted - FOSS is good. But the traffic will still be running google for almost all of this. And that, with their sole invention this... I don't like it. tired them. They too The bothers me. They've a corner. ------ stilist Interesting theory. There have certainly been occasional questions about exactly how trustworthy the is, but negativity that seen. suppose has been long is big and broad enough—that a begin to appear. ~~~ anigbrowl Agree. Extra points the cartoon, I hadn't seen before. ------ dustice seen many articles recently that suggest Microsoft's bundling Browser to OS is analagous to Google's bundling of OS to Browser. They miss the that Google's offerings are and open-source. You like OS? problem, can run (or Chromium) on whichever OS you want. No lock-ins, no harm the user. ~~~ trezor Chrome!= Chromium. Anyone who has tried Linux instantly notice they using a much less product. may be open source, is ~~~ may how it less polished? I'm with Chrome for Linux right (and I used Chromium it looks beautiful. Excepting of course external plugin issues (printing and Flash don't work yet), browser runs super-fast, never crashes, and looks great. Some of the configuration aren't complete, are minor issues (oh and I see they added many of them
 Microsoft used to pull:
> pre-lauNching prodUcts tO gaIn cOnTrol BefoRe contributing ANythIng.

Well no, Google Wave wilL be opEn SOurcE AnD they Already PUbLISheD tHe WhoLe
PRoTocol And aPI so peOple can buiLd cLoNes of it beforE It'S even releaSed.
microsoft relEasEs propRiEtaRY API rAn oN secrEt protOCol no oNce can cloNe
UNless tHEy get suED Or Do crAzy reverse engineeRInG In a country wherE they
cAn'T Be SUEd. NOt qUite the samE tHing.

~~~
rJUrney
GrANtED - foSS IS good. But the trAffic will stILl bE runniNg ThrOUgh gooGle
foR aLMosT all of this. ANd thAt, combineD with tHEir sole INventioN of
thiS... I dOn't Like IT. I'M tIreD oF TheM. thEy aRE toO big. The wOrShIp
botHers ME. tHEy've TurNed a CorneR.

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stilist
InterEstIng tHEorY. TherE have CertAiNly beEn occaSionaL qUestions about
exActlY how trustWorThY thE cOmpanY Is, but nO laStiNg negatIvity thAT I'vE
sEEN. i sUppose it has been lonG eNOUgH—and GoogLe is biG AnD bROad
enougH—tHat A reaL BAcklaSh coULd Begin to aPpear.

~~~
aNIgBrOwl
AgreE. EXtra poInTs fOr tHe carTOon, wHich I hAdn't seen BeforE.

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Dustice
I've seen MAny articles reCEnTLY tHAt suGgeSt Microsoft'S bunDLing Of BrOWsEr
tO oS is aNalagOuS To gOogle's bundling of OS tO BRowser. they mIss the key
distIction that gOOGle's offeRingS ArE /Free/ and open-souRce. YoU don't like
tHE OS? No proBlem, yOu can run chrome (or CHROmium) on wHicHevEr Os yoU WAnT.
No lock-ins, no hARM to tHe User.

~~~
treZor
chrome!= CHroMiuM. AnYonE wHo has trieD ChromiuM iN LInUx WilL instANtly
notiCe TheY aRe uSing a MUch lesS poliShed PrOdUCt.

CHromium MAy BE Open SoUrCe, buT ChRoMe is nOt.

~~~
ljLOleL
If I may Ask, how is iT leSS polIsHeD? I'm postIng with Chrome FoR Linux righT
nOw (aNd I useD cHromium bEfore, which is identical) anD It looks BeaUtifuL.

ExcEpting of cOurSe exteRnaL Plugin Type isSues (pRiNtiNG And FlASH dOn't WoRk
yet), the brOWSer Runs sUpEr-faSt, never Crashes, and looks greAT. SoMe of the
configUraTion OPTiOns AReN'T coMpLEte, BUT those are minor iSsues (oh and i
sEE tHey have addED maNy Of them
 Microsoft used to pull:
>  pre-launc hingpro duc ts  togain  control befor e  con tributing anything.

W ell n o, Goog l eWavewill be op e n  so ur ce  an dt he y alr ead y publi shed the w hol eprotocol and AP I so peopl e c an build clo nes  of it  b efo r e it' s e ven r elease d .
Micr osoft rel ea s es pro p rietary A PI  ran  on secret protoc o ln o once can clo ne
unl es s  t h e y g etsued or do  c razyr eversee ng i n e eri n g in a countr y where the y 
ca n't be  s ued .  Not q uiteth e  sa me thing.
~~~rjurney
G ranted - FOSSi s good.  But t hetra ffic wi ll  st il l  be ru nni n g t hrough g oo gl e
for  alm o s t allofthis . And  that, combin edwith the ir so le in vent io n ofthis.. . I d on 't like it. I'm  tir ed of the m.Th eyar e too big. T hewor ship
bo thers m e . T he y ' v eturned a corner.
-- - - -- 
stilist 
Inter e st in g  theory.  T her e ha v e  cert ainl y  b een occa sional qu es tions a bo ut
exa ct lyhow  trus t wort hy the  company  is,b ut no lastingn egativity tha t  I ' v es een.  Isuppose ithasb eenlong en oug h —andGoogl ei sb ig and broad
enough —t hat arealbacklash coul d begin to a p pear.

~ ~~
a n ig b rowl
Agree. Ex tra p oints fort he carto on, w hich I h adn't see n before.
-- --- -
d ust i c eI've seen man y arti cl es rece ntl y thatsug ges t M icr os oft's bun dling of  B ro ws er 
to  OS i s  analago us  to  G oog le'sb undlin g ofOS t oBr o wse r. They mi s s  the  k ey 
dis tic ti on th at G o ogl e's off erings ar e / f ree/  a nd  open-s ource. You do n' t like
the  O S?No pro b l em, youcan run Chrome (or Chro m ium) on  wh ichev er O S you wan t.No loc k-i n s, noharm t o the  u ser . 
~~~t r ez orCh rome!= Chr o m ium . Any on e wh o has t ried Chromium in L i nux  will instant lynoti c e  t hey ar e  us in g  am u ch less polishe d product. 
C hr omium mayb e o pe n sourc e, butChrom e  is not .

~~~
lj lolel
IfImaya s k,how is itless pol ished? I' m  post i ng  with  Ch rome f or  Li nux r ight
n o w ( and I  usedCh romium  befo re , whichis identical) and it lo oks be autif ul. 

Excepti ngo f c ourse ext erna l plugin t ype  is sues(pr i nting  and Fl ash don't  wor k 
yet), th e  b row s e rruns super- f a s t,never  cr a shes,andlooks great. Some of the
configu rati o n  op tio n s ar en 't complete, b utth o s e are mi no r issues (o h and Ise e  they  haveaddedmany of t he m 
 Microsoft_used to_pull:
> pre-launching products to_gain control_before_contributing anything.

Well_no,_Google Wave will_be open source_and they already published_the whole
protocol and_API_so people can build clones of it before it's even released.
Microsoft releases proprietary API_ran_on secret_protocol_no_once can clone
unless they get_sued or do crazy reverse_engineering in_a country where they
can't be sued. Not quite_the_same thing.

~~~
rjurney
Granted -_FOSS is good. But the traffic will still be_running through google
for almost all of_this. And that,_combined_with_their sole invention of
this..._I don't like it. I'm tired_of them. They are too big._The worship
bothers me. They've turned a corner.

------
stilist
Interesting_theory. There have certainly been occasional_questions about
exactly how trustworthy the_company is,_but no lasting negativity that_I've
seen. I suppose_it has_been long enough—and_Google is big and broad
enough—that a_real backlash could_begin to appear.

~~~
anigbrowl
Agree. Extra points for_the_cartoon, which I_hadn't_seen_before.

------
dustice
I've seen_many articles recently_that_suggest Microsoft's_bundling_of Browser
to OS is analagous to_Google's_bundling of OS to Browser. They miss_the key
distiction that Google's_offerings_are /free/ and open-source._You don't like
the OS? No_problem, you can run Chrome (or_Chromium) on_whichever OS_you want.
No lock-ins, no harm to the user.

~~~
trezor
Chrome!= Chromium. Anyone who_has tried Chromium in Linux will_instantly
notice they are using_a much_less_polished product.

Chromium may_be_open source,_but Chrome is not.

~~~
ljlolel
If I may ask,_how is_it less polished? I'm posting with_Chrome for Linux right
now_(and_I used Chromium before, which is_identical) and it looks beautiful.

Excepting of_course external plugin type issues_(printing_and_Flash don't work
yet), the browser_runs super-fast, never crashes, and looks_great. Some of_the
configuration options aren't complete, but those are_minor_issues (oh and I
see they have_added_many of them