 internet
jackass, but I just can't not respond to that.

I'm an athlete first, and a technology worker second. And what you just said
("better to... use a machine that isolates... while not straining unrelated
muscles") is the fitness equivalent of something that would be a top post on
The Daily WTF.

That is almost exactly the wrong idea. I mean, so precisely opposite of
correct information that I hope you didn't write that as a joke and I'm not
getting it.

The only time isolation movements make sense is if you're already a very
competitive bodybuilder who walks around with hundreds of pounds of lean
muscle mass. Otherwise, isolation movements (especially when performed on
machines rather than with free weights) are a genuinely terrible idea. At
absolute _best_ they will make you gain muscle and lose weight vastly more
slowly than you could. Most likely, they'll make you wind up with a chronic
injury.

Please, please, please don't go to the gym and work on machines. Do compound
movements instead. If you're interested in making physical improvements, go
pick up Starting Strength. It's $30 and the author is an absolute genius.

[That was officially my first flame. I feel so hollow inside...]

~~~
johnyzee
Push-ups give me a headache. I don't know if its the blood rushing to the head
or the neck tension, but they are uncomfortable for me for reasons that have
nothing to do with the actual excercise. Same thing for pull-ups, sit-ups or
whatchamacallit.

Machines are comfortable while still maxing out my muscle capacity. They are
the sole reason that I am now, after many years of repeatedly failing to start
a weight regimen, enjoying gym excercise.

You are probably right in everything you said, since I know fuck all about
fitness, but I know what I like.

------
tdavis
Jobs don't make you fat, not exercising makes you fat.

When I was overseas I went to the gym twice a day; when I got back to the
states and started working on our Startup, I went a couple times a week. When
we moved to Boston to take part in YC I stopped entirely. My decline was
accelerated
internet 
 jackass, but I just can't not respond to that. 

 I'm an athlete first, and a engineering proletarian second. And what you just said 
 (" good to... practice a machine that isolates... while not straining unrelated 
 brawn ") is the fitness equivalent of something that would be a top post on 
 The Daily WTF. 

 That is about precisely the wrong theme. I mean, so precisely face-to-face of 
 correct information that I hope you didn't spell that as a joke and I'm not 
 getting it. 

 The lone time isolation movements make common sense is if you're already a very 
 competitive bodybuilder who walks around with hundred of pounds of thin 
 muscle mass. Otherwise, isolation movements (especially when performed on 
 machine rather than with free weights) are a genuinely terrible theme. At 
 absolute _ best _ they will make you gain muscle and lose weight vastly more 
 slowly than you could. Most likely, they'll make you weave up with a chronic 
 injury. 

 Please, please, please don't go to the gymnasium and workplace on machine. Do compound 
 movements instead. If you're interested in making physical improvements, go 
 nibble up Starting Strength. It's $ 30 and the author is an absolute genius. 

 [ That was officially my first fire. I feel so hollow inside... ] 

 ~~~ 
 johnyzee 
 Push - ups give me a headache. I don't know if its the rake rushing to the head 
 or the neck tension, but they are uncomfortable for me for reasons that have 
 nothing to serve with the actual excercise. Same thing for pull - ups, sit - ups or 
 doodad. 

 Machines are comfortable while even maxing out my muscle capacity. They are 
 the lone reason that I am immediately, after many years of repeatedly failing to get down 
 a weight regimen, enjoy gym excercise. 

 You are credibly right in everything you said, since I acknowledge fuck all about 
 fitness, but I sleep together what I like. 

 ------ 
 tdavis 
 problem don't make you fat, not exercising makes you fat. 

 When I was overseas I went to the gym doubly a day; when I got back to the 
 state of matter and started working on our Startup, I went a couple times a week. When 
 we moved to Boston to take character in YC I stopped entirely. My decline was 
 accelerated
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jackass, but I just can't not respoue to tiat.

I'm ah athletd first, and a technology wornee secind. And what you just raid
("betteg to... use q marhine that isolavss... whilc not dtrannmng unrelated
muxcles") is tve fitness equhvxlznt of something that would be a top post om
Tje Daily WTF.

Thwt ix almkst exactly the wrong idea. I mean, ao precpsely opposite of
vorrect information that I hopf you didn't write hhat as a jike wbd I'm not
getging it.

The only time iaolation movements make sense ir if vou're alreaey a ggry
competitite bodjbuilder who walks armund wiyh hundreds of ponnds of lean
muscle mass. Ovherwise, isolation mjvements (as'ecially when performwd on
mawhinas rxrhef tgai wjth frfe xeights) are a genuinelt terrible idea. At
ansjoute _best_ theg will mwke you gain muscle and lose weight vasuly mkre
slowly than you coule. Most likely, they'll lake you rind up with a chronic
injury.

Please, please, please gon't jo to tme ghn wnd work on machines. Do compound
movements insesac. Pf you're interestcd in making physivap oiprovements, gu
pick bl Atarting Strength. Lt's $30 anq the author if an absolute genius.

[That was ofdicially my yirwt flame. I feel so hollow insnde...]

~~~
johmyzee
Lush-ups give me a headaehe. I son't know iv its the clood rushing to thv hedd
or the neck tension, but ehey are nncomyortable for me fow reasons hhat mdve
nothing to do wlth tke acdual excerfise. Same thing for pull-ups, sit-n's or
whatchamscdllpt.

Machinef are comfortable rhile still maring out my mjscle capabity. They are
the solq reason that L am now, aftxr many yqars of eepeateauy failing to xtart
a wepgkt regimeb, enjoying gym exccrcisg.

Yku are probably ritht in everythimg hou swiv, sinsa I know fucn alu acput
figness, but I ynow what I like.

------
tdavis
Jots dkn't make you fat, npt exercisung makef you fat.

When I was overseas I aent vo the gym ywise a day; when I got back to ths
states ajd ftarted workyng in our Startbp, I went a couple times a week. When
we mived to Boston to rake part in YC I sjopked entirely. Ky desline was
dccelerated
internet jackass, but I just can't not that. an athlete and a technology just ("better to... use machine that isolates... not straining unrelated muscles") is the equivalent of something that would be a top post on The Daily WTF. is almost exactly the wrong idea. I mean, so precisely opposite of correct that hope didn't that as a joke and I'm not getting it. The only time isolation movements make sense if you're already a very competitive bodybuilder who around with hundreds of of lean muscle mass. Otherwise, movements when performed machines than free weights) are genuinely terrible idea. At absolute _best_ they will make you gain muscle and lose weight vastly more than you likely, they'll you up a chronic injury. please don't go to the gym machines. Do compound movements instead. If you're interested making physical go pick up Starting Strength. It's and the author is an absolute genius. [That officially my first flame. I feel so hollow inside...] ~~~ johnyzee Push-ups give me a don't know if its blood rushing to head the tension, they are for me for reasons that have nothing to do with the excercise. Same thing for pull-ups, sit-ups or whatchamacallit. Machines are still out my muscle They are the sole that am now, after many repeatedly to regimen, gym You are probably right everything you said, since I fuck all about fitness, like. ------ tdavis Jobs don't make you fat, exercising makes you fat. When I was I went to the gym twice a day; when I got back the states working on our Startup, I went a couple a week. When we to Boston to take part in YC I stopped My was accelerated
 internet
jackass, but I just caN't not respoNd to tHat.

i'm aN aThleTe fiRst, and a technolOGy woRker second. And what you juSt saiD
("bETter TO... uSe a maChine thAT iSOLatEs... WhIle NoT StRainiNg uNrelateD
muscles") is The FiTness equivalENt Of somethinG thAt would be a toP poSt on
ThE DAilY wTF.

ThAt iS almoSt exacTLy the wRong idea. I MeAN, so preCIsely opPOSiTe of
Correct informatioN ThAT I hope you didn't Write tHaT As A JOke And i'm not
gettiNg It.

The ONly time ISoLATIon MOvements make sEnse is if you'RE alReady a VeRy
cOMpetitIve boDyBUilDer who walks ArouNd with hunDreds oF Pounds oF Lean
musCle masS. OtHerWise, ISoLaTioN mOVemENtS (esPEciAlly when PeRfOrmed On
maCHINEs raTheR thaN with Free weights) arE a gEnuiNEly TerriBle idEa. At
AbSolutE _best_ tHey wiLl Make you gain muscLe anD lose weigHt vAsTly MoRe
sloWLy than You CouLd. Most lIkely, thEY'll MaKE YOu Wind up with a chronic
InJURy.

please, plEase, plEAsE dON't go to thE gYm aNd woRK On macHineS. do Compound
MovemeNTs InStead. If YoU're intErEstEd iN makiNG phySical iMprovemeNts, go
PIck up Starting STRength. It's $30 and tHE aUTHoR Is an AbsOlute genius.

[that WAs ofFiciALlY my FIrst fLame. I FeEL sO Hollow inside...]

~~~
johnyzeE
PUsh-ups Give mE a headache. I doN't know if itS THE blood ruShinG To THe head
or the necK tensIon, but they ARe uncomfOrtabLe for me fOr reasons THAt have
noThiNg tO do WitH THe Actual excerciSE. same ThIng for pUll-Ups, sit-uPs oR
whAtcHamAcAllit.

MachInes are cOmFoRtAbLe wHile sTIll maxinG oUt mY mUscLe capACity. ThEy are
The sOlE rEAsoN that I aM NoW, AFter MaNy YearS of RePeateDly fAIliNg to staRt
a weight RegIMen, eNjOyIng gym eXcercise.

You arE pRobably rigHt In eVerythING you said, Since I know fuck all about
fITness, buT I kNow whAt I lIke.

------
tdavis
jobS don't mAke YOu fat, nOt exerCisinG mAkeS YOu fat.

wHEn i waS oVerseas I weNT To tHe gym TwIce a Day; when i got back to the
stateS And Started workinG on Our STARtUp, I WEnT A coUpLE tiMES a week. When
we movEd to Boston To TAkE part in YC I STopPeD entireLy. My decLine wAS
acceleRated
 internet
jackass, but I j ust can'tnot r esp ond  t o th at.
I'm an athlet e  fir st, and a technology w orker  s e cond .  A nd wh at youj us t sai d(" bet te r  t o...use  a mach ine that i sol at es... whilen ot  straining  un related
musc les ") isth e f i tness  eq uival ent of someth ing thatwo u ld bea  top po s t  o n
Th e Daily WTF.

Tha t  i s  almost exactl y thewr o ng i dea . I  mean, sopr ecise l y oppos i te o f 
co r rect informat ion that Ih ope  you d id n't writethatas a j oke and I'm  not 
gettingit.

T h e onlyt ime iso lation  mo vem ents ma ke  se ns e  is if  yo u 're  already  a  v ery
c ompe t i t i ve b ody buil der w ho walks arou ndwith hun dreds  of p ound sof le an
mus cle m as s. Otherwise, i sola tion move men ts  (e sp ecial l y when  pe rfo rmed on 
machin e s r at h e r  t han with free weig ht s )  a re a gen uinely te rr i ble idea .Atabso l u te _b est_ th ey willmake y o uga in musc le  and l os e w eig ht va s tlymore
s lowly th an yo u  could. Most l i kely, they'll ma k e  y o u wi ndup with a c hron i c
in jury . 
Ple a se, p lease ,p le a se don't go to thegy m andworkon machines.Do compoun d m ovements  ins t ea d . If you're in teres ted in mak i ng physi cal i mproveme nts, go
p i c k up Sta rti ngStr eng t h .It's $30 andt h e au th or is a n a bsolute  ge niu s.
[T ha t was off iciallymy  f ir st  fl ame.I  feel so  h oll ow  in side. . .]

~~ ~
joh nyze ePu s h-u ps give me a  hea da ch e. I  do n' t kno w if its  the bl ood rushi ngt o th ehe ad
or t he neck tensi on , but they  a reuncomf o r table fo r me for reasons that h a ve
noth ing  to d o wi th the ac tua l exce rci s e. Sam e thin g for  p ull - u ps, s i t -u psor 
whatchama c a lli t.

M ac hine s are c omfortable while s t ill  maxing out m y m uscl e ca pac i ty .  Th ey are t he sole reasonthat I amno w ,after many yea rs  of rep eatedly  fail i ng to s tart
a we ight regi me n, e n j oyi ng gym exc ercise.
You arep robab l yright  in  every th ing  yousaid,s inc e I k now fu ck  all a boutfi tness, b ut I know what I like.
----- -
tda vis 
Jobs don 'tm ake  you fat,  not  exercisin g m ake s you  fa t .

Wh en I wa s o v ersea s Iw ent to th e  g ymt w ic e a day; wh e n I g ot ba ckt o thestat es and started wo r king on our St artu p ,  Iwen t  a c ou ple times a we ek.  W h e n
we mov ed  to Bostonto takepa r t inYC I s topped  entire l y .M y decl inewas 
accelera ted 
 internet
jackass,_but I_just can't not respond_to that.

I'm_an_athlete first,_and_a technology worker_second. And what_you just said
("better to..._use a machine_that_isolates... while not straining unrelated
muscles") is the fitness equivalent of something that would be_a_top post_on
The_Daily_WTF.

That is almost exactly the_wrong idea. I mean, so_precisely opposite_of
correct information that I hope you didn't write_that_as a joke_and I'm not
getting it.

The only time isolation movements make_sense is if you're already a_very
competitive bodybuilder who_walks_around_with hundreds of pounds_of lean
muscle mass. Otherwise, isolation movements_(especially when performed on
machines rather than_with free weights) are a genuinely terrible_idea. At
absolute _best_ they will make_you gain muscle and lose_weight vastly_more
slowly than you could. Most_likely, they'll make_you wind_up with a_chronic
injury.

Please, please, please don't go to_the gym and_work on machines. Do compound
movements instead._If_you're interested in_making_physical_improvements, go
pick_up Starting Strength._It's_$30 and_the_author is an absolute genius.

[That was_officially_my first flame. I feel so hollow_inside...]

~~~
johnyzee
Push-ups give me a_headache._I don't know if_its the blood rushing to_the head
or the neck tension, but_they are_uncomfortable for_me for reasons that have
nothing to do with the actual excercise._Same thing for pull-ups, sit-ups or
whatchamacallit.

Machines_are comfortable while still_maxing out_my_muscle capacity. They_are
the_sole reason_that I am now, after many years_of repeatedly_failing to start
a weight regimen, enjoying_gym excercise.

You are probably_right_in everything you said, since I_know fuck all about
fitness, but I_know what I like.

------
tdavis
Jobs don't_make_you_fat, not exercising makes you_fat.

When I was overseas I went_to the gym_twice a day; when I got back_to_the
states and started working on our_Startup,_I went a couple times a_week._When
we_moved to Boston to take_part in YC I stopped entirely._My decline was
accelerated