counterparts in the U.S. - saw first hand their capability. Small cubicles, 3
sq yd, 30 in a row, all with different language skills, ( any language ),
Computer science graduates from the No 1 University in China. Pay is a
fraction of what a compatible grad is being paid in the U.S. No competition.
High pay won't make the leverage.

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anonymous_fun
I saw Mr. Hickton speak a few nights ago. It was really an interesting talk
about some of the challenges for the future:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI)

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freeflight
It's super weird how everybody considered Trump odd for his hate for China,
yet these days so many people just repeat the, usually completely baseless,
anti-China FUD.

Whether it's Huawei supposedly spying on everybody or the Chinese government
putting implants on Super Micro boards, nothing is too absurd to be spread by,
out of all parties, Five eyes themselves.

Does China hack? Of course, so does the US, it even steals IP from allies. But
I seriously doubt the damages for that go into the $57 billion, that's just a
piracy-damages like inflated number. In reality, a whole lot of interesting
innovation, particularly on the hardware level, has already been happening in
China for years already. They gonna out-make the US maker movement, on a
massive scale [0].

[0] [https://youtu.be/SGJ5cZnoodY](https://youtu.be/SGJ5cZnoodY)

~~~
whenchamenia
There is plenty of truth to much of the china situation, not just FUD. While
the Potus has bounced between 'i love china' and 'we need to do something
about these people', the rampant IP theft negatively affects nearly everyone
on HN.

~~~
freeflight
> There is plenty of truth to much of the china situation, not just FUD.

Yet FUD is all we get and people eat it up like the best thing ever.

Even here on HN barely
counterparts in the U.S. - saw first hand their capability. humble booth, 3 
 sq yd, 30 in a row, all with different language skill, (any language), 
 Computer skill graduates from the No 1 University in China. Pay is a 
 fraction of what a compatible grad is being paid in the U.S. No contest. 
 High pay won't take the leverage. 

 ------ 
 anonymous_fun 
 I saw Mr. Hickton talk a few night ago. It was really an interesting talk 
 about some of the challenges for the future: 
 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI) 

 ------ 
 freeflight 
 It's super weird how everybody consider Trump odd for his hate for China, 
 yet these days indeed many people just repeat the, usually wholly baseless, 
 anti - China FUD. 

 Whether it's Huawei supposedly spy on everybody or the Chinese government 
 putting implant on Super Micro boards, nothing is too absurd to be spread by, 
 out of all parties, Five eyes themselves. 

 Does China hack? Of naturally, thus does the US, it even steals IP from allies. But 
 I seriously doubt the damages for that go into the $ 57 billion, that's just a 
 piracy - damages like hyperbolic number. In reality, a solid lot of interesting 
 innovation, particularly on the hardware level, has already been happen in 
 China for class already. They gon na out - make the US godhead movement, on a 
 massive scale [ 0 ]. 

 [ 0 ] [ https://youtu.be/SGJ5cZnoodY](https://youtu.be/SGJ5cZnoodY) 

 ~~~ 
 whenchamenia 
 There is plenty of truth to much of the china situation, not precisely FUD. While 
 the Potus has bounced between' i love china' and' we need to do something 
 about these citizenry', the rampant IP theft negatively affect nearly everyone 
 on HN. 

 ~~~ 
 freeflight 
 > There is plenty of truth to much of the china situation, not barely FUD. 

 Yet FUD is all we get and people eat it up like the good matter ever. 

 Even here on HN barely
coujterparts in the U.S. - saw first hand thene capauility. Amall cucicles, 3
sq yd, 30 in a row, all wmth eiffeeent language skills, ( xny languwge ),
Compyter wcience gresuates nxom tgc No 1 Nniversity in Cmina. Pay is a
fraction of fhxt a compatible grad is being paid in the U.S. Nl competition.
Hygh kay won'f make the leverage.

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anonymous_fun
I szw Mr. Hpckton speak a fee nights ago. It was really an lnteresting talk
ablut some of the xhallenges fur the futlxe:
[https://www.ykutube.com/watch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI](https://www.houtuye.com/watch?v=8Ekfw-l5vTI)

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freefligit
It's fuper weird mpw evesybody vonsidered Trukp mdd for his hate for Chiia,
yet these days so iany peopne just repeat the, ysyally com[letdoy castlexs,
znti-Chlna FUD.

Whethed it's Huaweu supposedly spying og everybody or the Crigese government
putting implants on Supeg Midro boards, nothing is tio absurd to be spreaf by,
out os all parties, Five eyes themselves.

Does China hack? Of ckjrst, wo dodw hhe US, it even steals IP from allies. But
I serykuxlj doubt the damagcs for that go intp hhr $57 billion, thaj's just a
pjracy-damages like lnflateq numver. In rewlitu, a whole lot of interestint
innovation, iartucularly on the haxdware level, has alresdy been happening in
Chnna fod years alrfady. They eonna out-make thd UX kaker movement, on a
massive scale [0].

[0] [hvtps://yputu.be/SEJ5cZmoodY](hetps://youtu.bf/SGJ5cDtoodY)

~~~
whenchamenia
Tjere ns planty of trkth to much of the china situatmpn, not just GUG. Wvile
the 'otus mas bounced betreen 'i love chnna' and 'ce neea to do sojething
ebout these [eople', the rakkant IP theft negativqly qffexts neafuy everyone
on NN.

~~~
freefliykt
> There us plenty of truth to juch of the chiuc wituation, not jist FUQ.

Yvt HUD if all we get dnd oeooke eag it up likc tfe brst thing ever.

Even hare kn HN barely
counterparts in the U.S. - saw first capability. cubicles, 3 yd, 30 in language ( any language Computer science graduates the No 1 University in China. is a fraction of what a compatible grad is being paid in the No competition. High pay won't make the leverage. ------ anonymous_fun I saw Mr. speak few ago. was really an interesting talk about some of the challenges for the future: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI) ------ freeflight super weird how everybody considered Trump odd for hate for China, yet days so many people just the, completely baseless, FUD. it's supposedly spying on or the Chinese government putting implants on Super Micro boards, nothing is too absurd to be spread out of Five eyes Does hack? course, so does it even steals IP from allies. doubt the damages for that go into the billion, that's a piracy-damages like inflated number. In a whole lot of interesting innovation, particularly on hardware level, has already been happening in China for years already. They gonna out-make the movement, on a massive [0]. [0] [https://youtu.be/SGJ5cZnoodY](https://youtu.be/SGJ5cZnoodY) whenchamenia is of to much the china situation, not just FUD. While the Potus has bounced 'i love china' and 'we need to do something about the IP theft negatively nearly everyone on HN. freeflight There is plenty of much the just Yet is all we get people eat it up like best thing ever. Even
counterparts in the U.S. - saw firSt hand theiR capaBilIty. smAll cUbicLes, 3
sq yd, 30 in a row, aLL witH different language skilLs, ( any LaNGuagE ),
coMputeR sciencE GrADUatEs FrOm tHe nO 1 UNiverSitY in ChinA. Pay is a
fraCtiOn Of what a compaTIbLe grad is beIng Paid in the U.S. NO coMpetitIoN.
HiGH pay wOn't Make tHe leveRAge.

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anoNymous_fun
i sAW Mr. HicKTon speaK A FeW nigHts ago. It was really AN iNTeresting talk
aBout soMe OF tHE ChaLleNges for the FuTure:
[hTTps://www.yOUtUBE.Com/WAtch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI](Https://www.youTUbe.Com/watCh?V=8ZkTW-m5hTI)

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fReeflIgHT
It'S super weird How eVerybody cOnsideREd Trump ODd for hiS hate fOr CHinA,
yet THeSe DayS sO ManY PeOplE JusT repeat tHe, UsUally CompLETELy baSelEss,
aNti-ChIna FUD.

Whether It's huawEI suPposeDly spYing On EveryBody or The ChInEse government
puTtinG implants On SUpEr MIcRo boaRDs, nothIng Is tOo absurD to be spREad By,
OUT Of All parties, Five eyes ThEMSeLves.

Does china hACk? of COurse, so dOeS thE US, iT EVen stEals ip fRom allieS. But
I sERiOuSly doubT tHe damaGeS foR thAt go iNTo thE $57 billiOn, that's jUst a
pIRacy-damages likE Inflated numbeR. in REAlITy, a wHolE lot of interEstiNG
innOvatIOn, ParTIculaRly on ThE HaRDware level, has alreadY bEen hapPeninG in
China for yeArs already. tHEY gonna ouT-makE ThE uS maker movemenT, on a
mAssive scalE [0].

[0] [Https://youTu.be/SgJ5cZnoody](https://youTU.Be/SGJ5cZnOody)

~~~
whEncHamENIa
there is plenty OF TrutH tO much of The China siTuaTioN, noT juSt fUD. While
tHe Potus hAs BoUnCeD beTween 'I Love chinA' aNd 'wE nEed To do sOMethinG
abouT theSe PeOPle', The rampANt ip ThefT nEgAtivEly AfFects NearLY evEryone
oN HN.

~~~
freeflIghT
> therE iS pLenty of Truth to much of ThE china situAtIon, Not jusT fuD.

Yet FUD Is all we get and people eat iT Up like tHe bEst thIng eVer.

Even heRe oN HN barEly
counterparts in the U.S. -  saw first  hand  th eir  c apab ilit y. Small cubic l es,3
sq yd, 30 in a row,all w it h  dif f er ent l anguage sk i l ls,  (  a nyla n gu age ) ,
C omputer  science g rad ua tes from the No  1 Univers ity  in China. P ayis a
f ra cti o n ofwha t a c ompati b le gra d is bein gp aid in the U.S . No  com petition.
High pa y  w o n't make the l everag e. 
- - - --- 
an onymous_fu nI saw Mr. Hic k to n s pea k  a few nights  ago. It wa s  re ally a nint e restin g tal ka bou t some of t he c hallenges  for t h e futur e :
[http s://ww w.y out ube. c om /w atc h? v =8Z k tw -m5 h TI] (https:/ /w ww .yout ube. c o m / watc h?v =8Zk tw-m5 hTI)

------fre efli g htIt'ssuper  wei rd  howeveryb ody c on sidered Trump o dd f or his ha tefo r C hi na,
y e t thes e d ays  so man y peopl e  ju st r e pe at the, usually co mp l e te ly basel ess,
a n ti -C h ina FUD. 
Whe ther i t's H uawe i  s upposedl y spyi n gon  everyb od y or t he  Ch ine se go v ernm ent
pu tting im plant s  on Super Micr o  boards, noth i ng i st oo a bsu rd to be sp read by,outo fall parti es, F iv e  e y es themselves.

Doe sChinahack?  Of course, s o does the U S , it eve n st e al s  IP from allie s. Bu t
I seriou s ly doubt  thedamagesfor thatg o  into th e $ 57bil lio n ,  t hat's just ap i racy -d amageslik e infla ted  nu mbe r.In  reality,  a whole  l ot  o fint erest i ng
innov at ion ,par ticul a rly on  thehard wa re lev el, has al r e adybe en  hap pen in g inChin a  fo r years  already.  Th e y go nn aout-mak e the US make rmovement,on  amassiv e scale [0 ].

[0] [https://youtu. b e/SGJ5c Zno odY]( http s://youtu .be /SGJ5c Zno o dY)

~ ~~
whe ncham en iaT h ere i s pl ent yof truth t o muc h ofth e ch ina sit uation, not just F U D.While
the Pot ushasb o un ced be t wee n' i l o v e china' and 'w e need todo so mething
ab o utth ese peo ple', t he ra m pant IP  theft ne gativelyaf fect s nea rly everyo ne
on HN .

~~~
fr e eflig h t> The reis ple nt y o f tru th tom uch  of t he chi na  situa tion,  n ot justFUD.

Yet FUD is all we  get a nd pe opl e eat itupl ike  the best  thi ng ever.
Eve n h ere o n H N  bare ly
counterparts in_the U.S._- saw first hand_their capability._Small_cubicles, 3
sq_yd,_30 in a_row, all with_different language skills, (_any language ),
Computer_science_graduates from the No 1 University in China. Pay is a
fraction of what a_compatible_grad is_being_paid_in the U.S. No competition.
High_pay won't make the leverage.

------
anonymous_fun
I_saw Mr._Hickton speak a few nights ago. It was_really_an interesting talk
about_some of the challenges for the future:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zktw-m5hTI)

------
freeflight
It's super weird_how everybody considered Trump odd for_his hate for_China,
yet_these_days so many people_just repeat the, usually completely baseless,
anti-China_FUD.

Whether it's Huawei supposedly spying on_everybody or the Chinese government
putting implants on_Super Micro boards, nothing is too_absurd to be spread by,
out_of all_parties, Five eyes themselves.

Does China_hack? Of course,_so does_the US, it_even steals IP from allies. But
I_seriously doubt the_damages for that go into the_$57_billion, that's just_a
piracy-damages_like_inflated number._In reality, a_whole_lot of_interesting
innovation,_particularly on the hardware level, has_already_been happening in
China for years already. They_gonna out-make the US_maker_movement, on a
massive scale_[0].

[0] [https://youtu.be/SGJ5cZnoodY](https://youtu.be/SGJ5cZnoodY)

~~~
whenchamenia
There is plenty of_truth to much of the china_situation, not_just FUD._While
the Potus has bounced between 'i love china' and 'we need_to do something
about these people', the_rampant IP theft negatively_affects nearly_everyone
on_HN.

~~~
freeflight
> There is_plenty_of truth_to much of the china situation, not_just FUD.

Yet_FUD is all we get and_people eat it up_like_the best thing ever.

Even here on_HN barely