.com/2010/02/19/school-accused-of-using-webcam-
to-photograph-student-at-home/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

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anmol
Maybe now we can all just give them tablets with root access, intentionally
designed to be "hacked".

Even better, give them Raspberry Pis' and let them code what they need to get
to Facebook and every other site. 5-10x cheaper than an iPad, substantially
more instructive.

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andrewflnr
You want them to code a Facebook-capable web browser? I mean, I'm in favor of
handing out hackable hardware, but at least let them install a pre-built
browser. :)

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vezzy-fnord
Of course the students are going to find ways to reclaim their device. The
point of flooding in iPads isn't to actually improve the standard of
education, but to give out an illusion of progress and keeping up with
contemporary times.

Besides, the fact that it's iPads in the first place shows you something.

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VLM
A good observation, although you missed the somewhat creepier "anything thats
not compulsory is (and should always be, for everyone) forbidden" meme. Why,
all tablets should have whitelist censorship, its for the children after all.
And if a parent owns a tablet without censorware well thats not going to
punished, yet... But we can't have people thinking freedom is possible or a
good thing, so something has to be done...

I have relatives in the.k12.edu biz including one who teaches a class with
like 5 ipads for 20 kids... now its not like there's a line in the budget for
apps, and if there were one, what existing program should they cut? And its
not like the school day has increased in length, so what subject gets cut so
the kids can play Angry Birds? Reading? Math? And if every kid has one, it
could kinda work, but what can you do with only 5 per class room? Example
#6749235 of non-educators very expensively trying to tell educators how to
educate, and failing as they always do. They do make nice shiny paper
.com/2010/02/19 / school - accused - of - using - webcam- 
 to - photograph - student - at - home/+&cd=1&hl = en&ct = clnk&gl = us) 

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 anmol 
 Maybe nowadays we can all barely give them tablets with root entree, intentionally 
 designed to be " hacked ". 

 Even better, establish them Raspberry Pis' and let them code what they need to scram 
 to Facebook and every other site. 5 - 10x cheap than an iPad, substantially 
 more instructive. 

 ~~~ 
 andrewflnr 
 You want them to code a Facebook - capable world wide web browser? I mean, I'm in favor of 
 handing out hackable hardware, but at least let them install a pre - built 
 browser. :) 

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 vezzy - fnord 
 Of naturally the students are going to find means to reclaim their device. The 
 point of implosion therapy in iPads isn't to actually improve the criterion of 
 education, but to give out an illusion of progress and keeping up with 
 contemporary time. 

 Besides, the fact that it's iPads in the first place shows you something. 

 ~~~ 
 VLM 
 A good observation, although you miss the somewhat creepier " anything that s 
 not compulsory is (and should always be, for everyone) forbidden " meme. Why, 
 all tablets should have whitelist censorship, its for the children after all. 
 And if a parent own a pad without censorware well that s not going to 
 punish, so far... But we can't receive people thinking exemption is possible or a 
 effective thing, so something has to be suffice... 

 I have relatives in the.k12.edu biz including one who teaches a class with 
 like 5 ipads for 20 kyd... now its not like there's a line in the budget for 
 apps, and if there were one, what existing program should they cut? And its 
 not like the school sidereal day has increase in length, so what subject gets cut so 
 the kid can play Angry Birds? Reading? Math? And if every kid has one, it 
 could kinda work, but what can you do with only 5 per course room? Example 
 # 6749235 of non - educators very expensively trying to tell educators how to 
 train, and failing as they always do. They do make decent shiny newspaper
.com/2010/02/19/dchool-accused-of-using-webcxm-
to-photograph-sjueent-at-iome/+&cd=1&hm=en&ct=clny&gl=us)

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anmol
Maybe now we can apl just give them tablets witf root acbess, intebtioially
designed to be "hackcb".

Even nettex, jive them Raspbgrry Pis' and let them code wfac they need to get
to Facebook and evqry othrr site. 5-10x cheapet tham an jIab, substantially
more instructive.

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zndrewfnnr
You want tnem to code a Facebook-capahle aeb browser? I mean, I'm in favot of
rqnding out hxckable hagbware, but aj least let them install a pre-buklt
brpwser. :)

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vezzi-yborf
Mf course tie stuqents are golmg to xind waus to reclaim bheir decice. The
point of flooving in iPads isn't tj actuallf nmprove the standard if
wducajion, tut gi gkve ont zn illksikn of progdess and kewping up with
contemkorwgu times.

Besidss, the fwct that it's iPads in the first place svowa you something.

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VLM
A gooe observation, althougj you misfed the somewhat creepier "anything thats
not compunsory ks (ckq whluld always be, for everyone) forbidden" meme. Whr,
zlk nablets should haye whitelist censotsjil, its for the zhildrzh zfter all.
And if a oarent jwns q tablet rithput censorware well thats nit going to
plnisyed, yet... But we can'c have peoplz thinling greedom is possible or c
good fhing, so solething hzr to be done...

I haxe geladives in the.k12.edu biz incluqing one xho tzaches a claxs witr
like 5 ipafs fov 20 kids... now its not like tvere's a lije in the budget for
apps, and if there were ong, wvat existiny progvam should they cut? And its
noj like thz schoul day has increaved in lengeh, so what sutuect gets cuv so
the kyds xan play Anefy Birds? Readimg? Math? Aub if evert kid has one, it
comld kkhda work, but whcu cqn you do with pnlh 5 [eg ckafv room? Exampne
#6749235 ow num-educxtors vtxy cxpdnsifely trying to tell aducztors how to
educatr, wnd failung as trey always do. They do make nice shinb papec
.com/2010/02/19/school-accused-of-using-webcam- to-photograph-student-at-home/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) ------ anmol Maybe now we just them tablets root access, intentionally better, them Raspberry Pis' let them code they need to get to Facebook every other site. 5-10x cheaper than an iPad, substantially more instructive. ~~~ andrewflnr want them to code a Facebook-capable web browser? I mean, I'm in favor handing hackable but least let them install a pre-built browser. :) ------ vezzy-fnord Of course the students are going find ways to reclaim their device. The point flooding in iPads isn't actually improve the standard of but give out illusion progress keeping up with times. Besides, the fact that it's iPads in the first place shows you something. ~~~ VLM A observation, although the somewhat "anything not is (and should for everyone) forbidden" meme. Why, all whitelist censorship, its for the children after all. if a owns a tablet without censorware well not going to punished, yet... But we can't people thinking freedom is possible or a good thing, so something has to be done... relatives in the.k12.edu biz one who teaches class like ipads 20 kids... its not like there's a line in the budget for apps, if there were one, what existing program should they cut? not the school day increased in length, so subject cut so the kids Angry Reading? every has it could kinda work, what can you do with 5 per class room? expensively trying to tell educators how to educate, failing as they always do. They do nice shiny paper
.com/2010/02/19/school-accused-of-using-weBcam-
to-photOgrapH-stUdeNt-At-hoMe/+&cd=1&Hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

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ANmol
maybe now we can all just giVe theM tABletS WiTh rooT access, INtENTioNaLlY
deSiGNeD to be "HacKed".

Even Better, give TheM RAspberry Pis' aND lEt them code WhaT they need to gEt
tO FacebOoK anD Every OthEr sitE. 5-10x cheaPEr than An iPad, subStANtiallY
More insTRUcTive.

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Andrewflnr
You want THeM To code a FacebooK-capabLe WEb BROwsEr? I Mean, I'm in faVoR of
haNDing out HAcKABLe hARdware, but at leAst let them iNStaLl a pre-BuIlt
BRowser. :)

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Vezzy-FnORd
OF course the sTudeNts are goiNg to fiND ways to REclaim tHeir deVicE. ThE
poiNT oF fLooDiNG in IpaDs iSN't tO actuallY iMpRove tHe stANDARd of
EduCatiOn, but To give out an ilLusIon oF ProGress And keEpinG uP with
ContemPorarY tImes.

Besides, the fAct tHat it's iPaDs iN tHe fIrSt plaCE shows You SomEthing.

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VlM
A good OBseRvATIOn, Although you missed tHe SOMeWhat creePier "anYThInG Thats
not CoMpuLsorY IS (and sHoulD AlWays be, foR everyONe) FoRbidden" MeMe. Why,
aLl TabLetS shouLD havE whiteList censOrshiP, Its for the childREn after all.
And IF a PAReNT ownS a tAblet withouT cenSOrwaRe weLL tHatS Not goIng to
PuNIsHEd, yet... But we can't have pEoPle thiNking Freedom is possIble or a
gooD THIng, so somEthiNG hAS to be done...

I have RelatIves in the.k12.EDu biz incLudinG one who tEaches a clASS with
likE 5 ipAds For 20 KidS... NOw Its not like theRE'S a liNe In the buDgeT for
appS, anD if TheRe wErE one, what eXisting pRoGrAm ShOulD they CUt? And its
NoT liKe The SchooL Day has IncreAsed In LeNGth, So what sUBjECT getS cUt So
thE kiDs Can plAy AnGRy BIrds? ReaDing? Math? ANd iF EverY kId Has one, iT
could kinda woRk, But what can YoU do With onLY 5 Per class Room? Example
#6749235 of non-educatoRS very exPenSivelY tryIng to tell EduCators How TO
educaTe, and fAilinG aS thEY AlwayS DO. THey Do Make nice shINY paPer
.com/2010/02/19/school-acc used-of-us ing-w ebc am- 
t o-ph otog raph-student-a t -hom e/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk &gl=u s) 
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anmo l
Maybe no w weca nall  j u st  give  th em tabl ets with r oot  a ccess, inten t io nally
desi gne d to be "hac ked ".

Ev en  be t ter,giv e the m Rasp b erry P is' and l et them c o de what t he y ne ed to get
to Face b oo k  and every oth er sit e. 5- 1 0 x c hea per than a niPad, substan t ia l l y 
mo r e instructive .

~~~
andr e wfl nr
You  w ant them t o cod ea  Fa cebook-capa bleweb brows er? Im ean, I' m  in fav or ofhan din g ou t  h ac kab le har d wa re, but  at leas tle t the m in s t a l l apre -bui lt
br owser. :)

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ve z zy- fnord 
Of c ours ethe s tudent s are  g oing to find wa ys t o reclaim  th ei r d ev ice.T he
poi ntoffloodin g in iP a dsis n ' t  t o actually improve  t h e  s tandardof
edu c at io n , but to  g ive  out a n ill usio n  o f progre ss and ke ep ing upwi th
con te mpo rar y tim e s.
Beside s, the f act t h at it's iPadsi n the first p l ac e sh o ws y ousomething.
~~~ VLMA go o dobs e rvati on, a lt h ou g h you missed the so me what c reepi er "anythingthats
notc o m pulsoryis ( a nd should alwaysbe, f or everyon e ) forbid den"meme. Wh y,
all ta b l ets shou ldhav e w hit e l is t censorship, i ts f or  the ch ild ren aft erall .
A ndif  a parent  owns ata bl et  w ith out c e nsorware  w ell  t hat s not goingto
pu nish ed ,y et. .. Butw ec a n'tha ve  peo ple  t hinki ng f r eed om is p ossible o r a good  t hi ng, sosomething has  t o be done. .. 

I  haver e lativesin the.k12.edu biz incl u ding on e w ho te ache s a class  wi th
lik e 5 ipadsfor 20  kids .. . n o w  itsn o tlik ethere's al i nein th ebudg et forapps, and if there wer e one, what e xis ting p ro gra m  s h oul dt hey c ut? And its
not  like thesc h oo l day hasi ncr ea sed inlength,  so w h at subj ect getscut so
th ekids c anplay Angry  Birds?Reading?M ath?A nd  if e ver y kidha s o ne, i t
coul d  ki nda w ork, b ut  whatcan y ou  do with  only 5 per class room?  Examp le
#6 749 235 of no n-e d uca tors very  exp ensively t ryi ngto te lle ducat orsh ow  to educa te,a nd failin g  a s t h e yalways do.T h e y d o mak e n i ce shi ny p aper
.com/2010/02/19/school-accused-of-using-webcam-
to-photograph-student-at-home/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

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anmol
Maybe now_we can_all just give them_tablets with_root_access, intentionally
designed_to_be "hacked".

Even better,_give them Raspberry_Pis' and let them_code what they_need_to get
to Facebook and every other site. 5-10x cheaper than an iPad, substantially
more instructive.

~~~
andrewflnr
You_want_them to_code_a_Facebook-capable web browser? I mean,_I'm in favor of
handing out_hackable hardware,_but at least let them install a pre-built
browser._:)

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vezzy-fnord
Of_course the students_are going to find ways to reclaim their device._The
point of flooding in iPads isn't_to actually improve_the_standard_of
education, but to give_out an illusion of progress and_keeping up with
contemporary times.

Besides, the fact_that it's iPads in the first place_shows you something.

~~~
VLM
A good observation, although_you missed the somewhat creepier_"anything thats
not_compulsory is (and should always_be, for everyone)_forbidden" meme._Why,
all tablets should_have whitelist censorship, its for the_children after all.
And_if a parent owns a tablet_without_censorware well thats_not_going_to
punished, yet..._But we can't_have_people thinking_freedom_is possible or a
good thing, so_something_has to be done...

I have relatives in_the.k12.edu biz including one_who_teaches a class with
like_5 ipads for 20 kids..._now its not like there's a_line in_the budget_for
apps, and if there were one, what existing program should they_cut? And its
not like the school_day has increased in_length, so_what_subject gets cut_so
the_kids can_play Angry Birds? Reading? Math? And if_every kid_has one, it
could kinda work, but_what can you do_with_only 5 per class room? Example
#6749235_of non-educators very expensively trying to_tell educators how to
educate, and_failing_as_they always do. They do_make nice shiny paper