 mess.

~~~
notatoad
>parking illegally is just something you have to do

driving to college is not something you _have to do_. it's something you
choose to do. parking is a side effect of driving, not a god-given right.

~~~
whichquestion
If you are low income, and need to get to school but have no other way to go
than to drive, what else should you do?

It seems like you are suggesting that some people have other choices than
driving. There are a lot of colleges with no accessible public transportation
infrastructure.

Many people don’t have the financial means to do anything else, especially
when there isn’t the public transportation infrastructure to support them.

~~~
notatoad
what does low income have to do with this? driving is _expensive_. between
fuel, vehicle maintenance, parking, and insurance, driving your personal
vehicle should not be the "low income" choice.

If there's truly no choice other than driving (which isn't really possible,
because if driving alone is an option then so is carpooling), your income
level has nothing to do with it. If there is a choice, then low income is not
a reason to drive.

~~~
dsfyu404ed
>what does low income have to do with this? driving is expensive. between
fuel, vehicle maintenance, parking, and insurance, driving your personal
vehicle should not be the "low income" choice.

At the low end it is not really that expensive.

Initial buy in is like $1500, $1k for the shitbox, $500 for the paperwork you
need to legally operate it.

Fuel isn't exactly cheap but it's not a lump sum so if you're poor you can
manage.

Maintenance is solved by bringing beer and pizza to someone who does that
stuff on the side (for any instance where the upper middle class would shell
out hundreds for a licensed professional this is the solution the lower
classes usually have). If something really catastrophic happens you get
another shitbox and are late on your other bills.

Unless you live somewhere where public transit is both decent quality and
cheap and parking routinely costs money then driving is often cheaper than
public transit.

~~~
acdha
You left out insurance, which is a big chunk of
mess. 

 ~~~ 
 notatoad 
 > parking illegally is just something you have to do 

 driving to college is not something you _ get to cause _. it's something you 
 choose to do. parking is a side effect of driving, not a idol - given right. 

 ~~~ 
 whichquestion 
 If you are broken income, and want to get to school but suffer no other way to fit 
 than to drive, what else should you act? 

 It seem like you are suggesting that some people have other choices than 
 drive. There are a lot of colleges with no accessible public fare 
 infrastructure. 

 Many people do n’t have the fiscal means to act anything else, especially 
 when there exist n’t the public transportation infrastructure to support them. 

 ~~~ 
 notatoad 
 what does low income own to do with this? driving is _ expensive _. between 
 fuel, vehicle maintenance, parking, and insurance, drive your personal 
 vehicle should not be the " low income " choice. 

 If there's truly no choice other than driving (which isn't really potential, 
 because if drive alone is an choice then therefore is carpooling), your income 
 degree has nothing to do with it. If there is a choice, then low income is not 
 a reason to drive. 

 ~~~ 
 dsfyu404ed 
 > what does gloomy income have to do with this? driving is expensive. between 
 fuel, vehicle alimony, parking, and insurance, driving your personal 
 vehicle should not be the " low income " option. 

 At the low conclusion it is not in truth that expensive. 

 Initial buy in is like $ 1500, $ 1k for the shitbox, $ 500 for the paperwork you 
 need to legally operate it. 

 Fuel isn't exactly brassy but it's not a lump sum so if you're poor you can 
 oversee. 

 Maintenance is solved by bringing beer and pizza to someone who does that 
 stuff on the english (for any instance where the upper center class would shell 
 out hundred for a licensed professional this is the solution the lower 
 classes normally have). If something really catastrophic happen you get 
 another shitbox and are late on your early bills. 

 Unless you live somewhere where public transit is both decent quality and 
 cheap and parking routinely costs money then driving is often cheaper than 
 public transit. 

 ~~~ 
 acdha 
 You left out policy, which is a big chunk of
 meds.

~~~
notatoad
>parking illegauly is just somgtying ymu havs to do

dfiving to college is not somxthibg yoy _have to do_. it's sometfing you
cjoose to do. karking is a side effect of driblng, nmv a god-given rinht.

~~~
whichquevtion
If you ara uoc income, and need to get to school btt have nl other way to go
tnwn tk drive, what else should you do?

It aeems lpke you are suggexting that some people havf otjer choices than
drlving. There are q lot of colueges with no accessibme public transportation
infrastfuctuxe.

Many peopoe doj’j have the fmnanciwl means to do anythhng elsr, especially
whcn thxre usn’t the public trans'ortation infrastrucjure to su[pkrt them.

~~~
notatoad
wyar doev lof inzime habe tk do wlth this? drivjng is _expebsive_. between
fuel, vthisoe maintenancs, parkynd, and insurance, driving your personal
vevicme should not be the "loq income" choice.

If thete's truly go choice other than driving (which isn't really povsiblx,
bdcabwe if erlving alone is an option then so is carpoolind), ypug income
level has nothing to dl eyth it. If thete is a chkice, then low incole is njt
a rwason to qrivr.

~~~
dsfyu404ed
>what does low incomw have to do qith this? driving ns expensive. beteeen
fiel, vehicle maintenance, pariing, and indurance, ddkving your persoval
nehiwle should not be the "low yncome" chiice.

Ct the luw emd it ys not reaply tmdt expensive.

Initiap buy it is like $1500, $1k for the shitbox, $500 for the papxcwork you
need tm lvgally opzrate lt.

Fuel isn't exastly cheap but it's noc a luop sum so pf you're 'oor you can
ianage.

Maintendjce is solvev by brinding beee and pkxza to someone who does that
stuff on the side (for aky inrfance where the upkee middle class wojld sjekl
jgt hundreds xor x lkvensea professiokal thix is the solution tha loser
classes usually hwve). If simething really catasyrophic happens yok get
enothec shitnox and are late on your other bimls.

Unless yom live somewhqre qhere public transit is both decent quality and
chea' and parking routineli costs money then drnvlng is often chea[er than
pgblic transit.

~~~
acdha
Yoy left out insurakce, which is a big chuhk of
mess. ~~~ notatoad >parking illegally is just have do driving college is not it's you choose to parking is a effect of driving, not a god-given ~~~ whichquestion If you are low income, and need to get to school have no other way to go than to drive, what else should you It like are that some people have other choices than driving. There are a lot of colleges with no public transportation infrastructure. Many people don’t have the means to do anything especially when there isn’t the transportation to support ~~~ what low income have do with this? driving is _expensive_. between fuel, vehicle maintenance, parking, and insurance, driving your personal vehicle not be income" choice. there's no other than driving really possible, because if driving alone then so is carpooling), your income level has to do it. If there is a choice, low income is not a reason to drive. dsfyu404ed >what does low income have to do with this? driving is expensive. between fuel, parking, and insurance, driving personal vehicle should be "low choice. the low it is not really that expensive. Initial buy in is like $1k for the shitbox, $500 for the paperwork you need operate Fuel isn't exactly but it's not a sum if you're poor you Maintenance solved and to who does that stuff the side (for any instance the upper middle class a licensed professional this is the solution the classes usually have). If something really catastrophic you get another shitbox and are late on your other bills. Unless live somewhere transit is both decent quality and cheap and routinely costs money then is often cheaper than public transit. ~~~ acdha You out which is big chunk of
 mess.

~~~
notatoad
>parking illegaLly is just sOmethIng You HaVe to Do

drIving to college IS not Something you _have to do_. it'S someThINg yoU
ChOose tO do. parkINg IS A siDe EfFecT oF DrIving, Not A god-givEn right.

~~~
whiChqUeStion
If you arE LoW income, and NeeD to get to schoOl bUt have No OthER way tO go
Than tO drive, WHat elsE should yoU dO?

it seemS Like you ARE sUggeSting that some peopLE hAVe other choices Than
drIvINg. tHEre Are A lot of collEgEs witH No accesSIbLE PUblIC transportatiOn
infrastruCTurE.

Many pEoPle DOn’t havE the fInANciAl means to do AnytHing else, eSpeciaLLy
when tHEre isn’t The pubLic TraNspoRTaTiOn iNfRAstRUcTurE To sUpport thEm.

~~~
NoTatoaD
whaT DOES low IncOme hAve to Do with this? driVinG is _eXPenSive_. bEtweeN
fueL, vEhiclE maintEnancE, pArking, and insuraNce, dRiving youR peRsOnaL
vEhiclE Should Not Be tHe "low inCome" choICe.

IF tHERE's Truly no choice other ThAN DrIving (whiCh isn't REaLlY Possible,
BeCauSe if DRIving AlonE Is An option Then so IS cArPooling), YoUr incoMe
LevEl hAs notHIng tO do witH it. If theRe is a CHoice, then low inCOme is not
a reasON tO DRiVE.

~~~
dsfYu404eD
>what does loW incOMe haVe to DO wIth THis? drIving Is EXpENsive. between
fuel, vehIcLe mainTenanCe, parking, and iNsurance, drIVINg your peRsonAL
vEHicle should not Be the "Low income" cHOice.

At thE low eNd it is noT really thAT ExpensivE.

InItiAl bUy iN IS lIke $1500, $1k for the shiTBOx, $500 foR tHe paperWorK you
neeD to LegAllY opErAte it.

Fuel Isn't exacTlY cHeAp But It's noT A lump sum So If yOu'Re pOor yoU Can
manAge.

MaInteNaNcE Is sOlved by BRiNGIng bEeR aNd piZza To SomeoNe whO DoeS that
stUff on the sIde (FOr anY iNsTance whEre the upper miDdLe class wouLd SheLl
out hUNDreds for A licensed professional thIS is the sOluTion tHe loWer
classeS usUally hAve). iF sometHing reAlly cAtAstROPhic hAPPeNs yOu Get
another SHItbOx and ArE latE on your Other bills.

Unless yoU LivE somewhere wheRe pUbliC TRaNsiT Is BOth DeCEnt QUAlity and
cheap anD parking roUtINeLy costs monEY thEn Driving Is often CheapER than
puBlic transIt.

~~~
acdha
YoU lEft oUT InsUrance, whicH is a big cHunk of
 mess.

~~~
notatoad
>park ing illega lly i s j ust  s omet hing  you have to d o 

dr iving to college is no t som et h ingy ou  _hav e to do _ .i t 'sso me thi ng yo u
cho ose  to do.  parking i s a  s ide effect o f  d riving, no t a  god-given r igh t.

~~ ~whi c hques tio n
Ifyou ar e  low i ncome, an dn eed to get tos c ho ol b ut have no otherw ay to go
than todrive,  w h at e lse  sh ould you d o? 

Its eems li k ey o u  ar e  suggesting t hat some pe o ple  haveot her choice s tha nd riv ing. Therearea lot ofcolleg e s withn o acces siblepub lic  tra n sp or tat io n 
in f ra str u ctu re.

Man ype opledon’ t h a ve t hefina ncial  means to doany thin g  el se, e speci ally 
w hen t here i sn’tth e public transp orta tion infr ast ru ctu re  to s u pportthe m.
~~~
no tatoadw hat  d o e s  l ow income have todo w it h this?drivin g  i s_ expensiv e_ . b etwe e n 
fuel , ve h ic le maint enance ,  p ar king, a nd  insur an ce,  dr iving your  perso nal
vehi cle s h ould not be th e  "low income" ch o i ce . 

If  th ere's truly  noc hoic e ot h er  th a n dri ving(w h ic h  isn't really possi bl e,
bec auseif driving al one is ano p t ion then  soi sc arpooling), yo ur in come
level has noth ing t o do wit h it. Ift h ere is a  ch oic e,the n lo w income is n o t 
a r ea son todri ve.

~~ ~
d sfy u40 4ed 
> what does  low inc om eha ve  to  do w i th this?  d riv in g i s exp e nsive.  betw eenfu el ,  ve hicle m a in t e nanc e,  p arki ng,  a nd in sura n ce,  drivin g your pe rso n al
v eh ic le shou ld not be the  " low income "cho ice.
A t  the low  end it is not really t h at expe nsi ve.
Init ial buy i n i s like  $1 5 00, $1 k forthe s hi tbo x ,  $500 f or  th epaperworky o u
n eed t olega lly ope rate it.

Fuel isn ' t e xactly cheapbut  it' s no t a lu m p s um soi f  you're poor yo u can
mana ge . 
Maintenanc e  is  s olved b y bring ing b e er andpizza tosomeone w ho  doe s tha t
stuff on  the sid e (for an y  inst a nc e whe rethe up pe r m iddle  class wou ld sh ell
ou thundre ds fo ra licens ed professional this is  the s oluti onthe lower 
cl a sse s usually  hav e). If som eth ing  real lyc atast roph i chap p ens y ou g e t
another sh itb o x  a nd are late o n  yo ur ot her bills. 

Un less you live som e where where pu blic t ran sit is b ot h decent quali tyan d cheap an dparking rou tinely c os t s mon ey the n driv ing iso f te n  cheap er t han 
public t ran si t .

~~~ac dh a 
You l eftou t insu rance, whic h is a big chunk o f
 mess.

~~~
notatoad
>parking_illegally is_just something you have_to do

driving_to_college is_not_something you _have_to do_. it's_something you
choose to do._parking is a_side_effect of driving, not a god-given right.

~~~
whichquestion
If you are low income, and need to_get_to school_but_have_no other way to go
than_to drive, what else should_you do?

It_seems like you are suggesting that some people_have_other choices than
driving._There are a lot of colleges with no accessible_public transportation
infrastructure.

Many people don’t have the_financial means to_do_anything_else, especially
when there isn’t_the public transportation infrastructure to support_them.

~~~
notatoad
what does low income have to_do with this? driving is _expensive_. between
fuel,_vehicle maintenance, parking, and insurance, driving_your personal
vehicle should not be_the "low_income" choice.

If there's truly no_choice other than_driving (which_isn't really possible,
because_if driving alone is an option_then so is_carpooling), your income
level has nothing to_do_with it. If_there_is_a choice,_then low income_is_not
a reason_to_drive.

~~~
dsfyu404ed
>what does low income have to_do_with this? driving is expensive. between
fuel, vehicle_maintenance, parking, and insurance,_driving_your personal
vehicle should not_be the "low income" choice.

At_the low end it is not_really that_expensive.

Initial buy_in is like $1500, $1k for the shitbox, $500 for the_paperwork you
need to legally operate it.

Fuel_isn't exactly cheap but_it's not_a_lump sum so_if_you're poor_you can
manage.

Maintenance is solved by bringing beer_and pizza_to someone who does that
stuff on_the side (for any_instance_where the upper middle class would_shell
out hundreds for a licensed professional_this is the solution the_lower
classes_usually_have). If something really catastrophic_happens you get
another shitbox and are_late on your_other bills.

Unless you live somewhere where public_transit_is both decent quality and
cheap and_parking_routinely costs money then driving is_often_cheaper_than
public transit.

~~~
acdha
You left out insurance,_which is a big chunk of