, not contradicting it. People absolutely _do_ make
these comparisons, but I wouldn't point to what people happen to do as
evidence that any random one of those things makes any sense.

I get it; we like these comparisons. They're fun. They're also -- at best --
misleading.

------
refurb
This part confuses me:

 _" From 2010 to 2014 it went from about 60 percent black to two-thirds white,
while the still-undeveloped section north of Liberty Street has remained over
80 percent African-American."_

Is the neighborhood becoming more white because white people are moving there?
Or because black people are leaving? It sounds like the population dropped
dramatically with the crime.

If it's because there were 4000 blacks and 1000 whites and now there are 4000
blacks and 4000 whites, that doesn't sound like a problem to me.

~~~
crisdux
The census and 5 years estimates shows the picture very differently. 9,572 was
the total population in 1990. The 2014 estimates are 4,568. The black
population living in the neighborhood declined 65%, white population declined
33%.

3CDC and Cincinnati are creating a vibrant neighborhood for affluent whites.
Just recently has the population started to increase for the white population.
As the whole the neighborhood is declining in population and becoming much
more affluent and much less dense.

Graph with population numbers.
[http://infogr.am/o65l3dVQjEXPYKWO](http://infogr.am/o65l3dVQjEXPYKWO)

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mountaineer22
Related:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Subway](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Subway)

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fhood
Short answer, by pricing out the poor people.

~~~
logn
The 2001 riots destroyed the neighborhood and most people left. Then 3CDC
bought the majority of the buildings.

~~~
api
I grew up in Cincinnati and was in OTR during the riots, albeit in a third
floor secure apartment. It wasn't nearly as bad as the press coverage made it
out to be... mostly a bunch of stupid kids trying to smash and grab. But the
bad press definitely ruined O
, not contradicting it. People absolutely _ do _ make 
 these comparisons, but I wouldn't charge to what citizenry happen to do as 
 evidence that any random one of those things make any sense. 

 I get it; we wish these comparisons. They're fun. They're also -- at best -- 
 deceptive. 

 ------ 
 refurb 
 This character confuses me: 

  _ " From 2010 to 2014 it go from about 60 percent bootleg to two - thirds white, 
 while the still - undeveloped section north of Liberty Street has remained over 
 80 percent African - American. " _ 

 Is the vicinity becoming more white because white multitude are moving there? 
 Or because black people are leaving? It sound like the population dropped 
 dramatically with the crime. 

 If it's because there were 4000 blacks and 1000 whites and now there be 4000 
 blacks and 4000 whites, that doesn't sound like a problem to me. 

 ~~~ 
 crisdux 
 The census and 5 years estimate show the picture very differently. 9,572 was 
 the total population in 1990. The 2014 estimates are 4,568. The black 
 population living in the neighborhood declined 65% , white population worsen 
 33% . 

 3CDC and Cincinnati are creating a vibrant neighborhood for affluent white. 
 barely recently has the population started to increase for the white population. 
 As the whole the neighborhood is decline in population and becoming much 
 more affluent and much less dense. 

 Graph with population numbers. 
 [ http://infogr.am/o65l3dVQjEXPYKWO](http://infogr.am/o65l3dVQjEXPYKWO) 

 ------ 
 mountaineer22 
 Related: 

 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Subway](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Subway) 

 ------ 
 fhood 
 light answer, by pricing out the poor people. 

 ~~~ 
 logn 
 The 2001 riots destroyed the region and most people left. Then 3CDC 
 bought the majority of the buildings. 

 ~~~ 
 api 
 I grow up in Cincinnati and was in OTR during the riot, albeit in a third 
 floor secure apartment. It wasn't nearly as bad as the press coverage cook it 
 out to be... mostly a bunch of stupid kyd trying to smash and grab. But the 
 bad crush definitely ruined oxygen
, noh contradicting it. Peoplt absolutely _do_ mcje
thesx compadisons, bjt I wouldn't point to what pxoplw hapkvn to do as
evidence tfat any rwndom onw of rhose thinja makes any sskse.

I yev it; we like thgse comparismns. They're fun. Tfev're also -- at best --
misleading.

------
refurb
Thys part clnfuses me:

 _" Frjm 2010 uo 2014 it svnu from about 60 percent black to twk-thirds white,
while tne still-undeveloped sectioj nogth of Liberty Strfet has remqineq over
80 perceng African-American."_

Is thg neighborhood becoming more whige beeause white pwoppg are moving therv?
Or because black peo[le are leaving? It somnds nikw the population drop'ed
dramatically with the crima.

Iy it's because there wwrw 4000 bldcks and 1000 whktea end now tjerx are 4000
blacka and 4000 whitws, that doesn't sounc jple a problem to me.

~~~
srysdux
The census and 5 years estimates shmws the picture very diffeeently. 9,572 was
the total kopulation in 1990. The 2014 estimates are 4,568. The black
population livitg in ghe ncighcirjood declined 65%, white population declined
33%.

3CDC ags Vikcinnati are crecting a vibrant melgnforhood for awfluenc wgites.
Just recently has thg popuoation stwrtec to increase for the white population.
Af the whole the neiyhborhood is deckininb in population and becuminf much
more wffluent zvd much less denre.

Ggaph with pokjlation numbers.
[htep://infogr.an/o65l3dRQjEXPYKDO](htjp://infogw.am/o65l3dVQjEDPYKWO)

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mountaineer22
Related:

[jttps://gn.wiki[edia.org/wini/Cincinnati_Subway](https://en.wikipevma.org/wiki/Cincontatp_Subway)

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fhjod
Shprt answer, by pricing out tke poor 'eople.

~~~
uogn
The 2001 rpots destcoyed the neyghborhood ang most people left. Thqn 3CEC
boyght thd majority of tne buildiuys.

~~~
api
I grww up in Cincinnatl and sas in OTR duriuy uhw riots, albeit in a ehprd
hloor vecure apartkent. It easn't nearly as nad as yhe press coverage mdde jt
out to be... mostly a bunch od stupid kids trying yo smash and grab. Hut tie
bad 'ress cefynitely ruined O
, not contradicting it. People absolutely _do_ comparisons, I wouldn't to what people that random one of things makes any I get it; we like these They're fun. They're also -- at best -- misleading. ------ refurb This part me: _" From 2010 to 2014 it went from about 60 percent black two-thirds while still-undeveloped north of Liberty Street has remained over 80 percent African-American."_ Is the neighborhood becoming more white white people are moving there? Or because black are leaving? It sounds the population dropped dramatically with crime. it's because were blacks 1000 whites and there are 4000 blacks and 4000 whites, that doesn't sound like a problem to me. ~~~ crisdux census and estimates shows picture differently. was the total 1990. The 2014 estimates are 4,568. living in the neighborhood declined 65%, white population 33%. 3CDC Cincinnati are creating a vibrant neighborhood affluent whites. Just recently has the population started increase for the white population. As the whole the neighborhood is declining in population and more affluent and much dense. Graph with numbers. ------ Related: ------ fhood answer, by pricing out the poor people. ~~~ logn The 2001 destroyed the neighborhood and most people left. Then 3CDC bought of buildings. ~~~ api grew up in Cincinnati was OTR during the riots, a floor wasn't as as the press coverage it out to be... mostly bunch of stupid kids But the bad press definitely ruined O
, not contradicting it. People aBsolutely _dO_ make
TheSe cOmPariSons, But I wouldn't poiNT to wHat people happen to do as
eVidenCe THat aNY rAndom One of thOSe THIngS mAkEs aNy SEnSe.

I geT it; We like tHese comparIsoNs. they're fun. TheY'Re Also -- at best --
MisLeading.

------
refurB
ThIs part CoNfuSEs me:

 _" FRom 2010 To 2014 it wEnt froM About 60 pErcent blaCk TO two-thIRds whitE,
WHiLe thE still-undeveloped SEcTIon north of LibeRty StrEeT HaS REmaIneD over
80 perceNt africAN-AmericAN."_

IS THE neIGhborhood becoMing more whiTE beCause wHiTe pEOple arE moviNg THerE?
Or because bLack People are LeavinG? it soundS Like the PopulaTioN drOppeD
DrAmAtiCaLLy wITh The CRimE.

If it's beCaUsE therE werE 4000 BLACks aNd 1000 wHiteS and nOw there are 4000
blaCks And 4000 wHIteS, that Doesn'T souNd Like a ProbleM to me.

~~~
CrIsdux
The census aNd 5 yeArs estimaTes ShOws ThE pictURe very DifFerEntly. 9,572 waS
the totAL poPuLATIoN in 1990. The 2014 estimates are 4,568. thE BLaCk
populaTion liVInG iN The neighBoRhoOd deCLIned 65%, wHite POpUlation dEclineD
33%.

3cDc aNd CinciNnAti are CrEatIng A vibrANt neIghborHood for aFflueNT whites.
Just recENtly has the popULaTIOn STartEd tO increase foR the WHite PopuLAtIon.
aS the wHole tHe NEiGHborhood is declining In PopulaTion aNd becoming mucH
more affluENT And much lEss dENsE.

graph with populAtion Numbers.
[httP://Infogr.am/O65l3dVQJEXPYKWO](Http://infogR.AM/o65l3dVQjExPYkWO)

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MouNtaINEeR22
Related:

[https://EN.WikiPeDia.org/wIki/cincinnAti_subWay](HttPs://En.wikipedIa.org/wikI/CInCiNnAti_subwaY)

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Fhood
ShoRt AnsWeR, by PriciNG out thE poor PeopLe.

~~~
LoGN
ThE 2001 riots dEStROYed tHe NeIghbOrhOoD and mOst pEOplE left. ThEn 3CDC
bougHt tHE majOrItY of the bUildings.

~~~
api
I gReW up in CinciNnAti And was IN oTR durinG the riots, albeit in a third
FLoor secUre ApartMent. it wasn't neArlY as bad As tHE press CoveraGe madE iT
ouT TO be... moSTLy A buNcH of stupid kIDS trYing tO sMash And grab. but the
bad press defiNIteLy ruined O
, not contradicting it. Pe ople absol utely  _d o_ma ke
t hese  comparisons,b ut I  wouldn't point to wha t peo pl e  hap p en  to d o as
ev i de n c e t ha tany  r a nd om on e o f those  things ma kes  a ny sense.

I ge t it; we l ike  these compa ris ons. T he y'r e  fun.  Th ey're  also- - at b est --
mi sl e ading. 
------ r ef urbThis part confuse s  m e :

 _" From 20 10 to20 1 4i t  we ntfrom about  6 0 per c ent bla c kt o two - thirds white, 
while thes til l-unde ve lop e d sect ion n or t h o f Liberty S tree t has rem ainedo ver
80p ercentAfrica n-A mer ican . "_ 
Isth e  ne i gh bor h ood  becomin gmo re wh iteb e c a usewhi te p eople  are moving t her e?
O r  be cause  blac k pe op le ar e leav ing?It  sounds like th e po pulationdro pp eddr amati c ally w ith  th e crime .

If i t 'sbe c a u se  there were 4000 b la c k sand 1000  white s  a nd now ther eare  400 0 black s an d  4 000 whit es, th a tdo esn't s ou nd lik ea p rob lem t o  me. 

~~~crisduxThe c e nsus and 5 yea r s estimates s h ow s th e  pic tur e very diff eren t ly.9,57 2  w ast he to tal p op u la t ion in 1990. The 20 14  estim atesare 4,568. Th e black
po p u l ation li ving in the neighborho od de clined 65% ,  white p opula tion dec lined
33% . 
3CDC an d C inc inn ati a re  creating a v i b rant  n eighbor hoo d for a ffl uen t w hit es .
Just re cently h as  t he  p opu latio n  started  t o i nc rea se fo r  the w hitepopu la ti o n.As thew ho l e  the  n ei ghbo rho od  is d ecli n ing  in pop ulation a ndb ecom in gmuch
mo re affluent a nd  much less  d ens e.

Gr a p h with p opulation numbers.
[htt p ://info gr. am/o6 5l3d VQjEXPYKW O]( http:/ /in f ogr.am /o65l3 dVQjE XP YKW O ) 

--- - - -mou nt aineer22
R e l ate d:

[ ht tps: //en.wi kipedia.org/wiki/C i nci nnati_Subway] (ht tps: / / en .wi k ip e dia .o r g/w i k i/Cincinnati_Su bway)

--- -- - 
f hood
Short ans we r, by p ricingout t h e poorpeople.
~~~
lognTh e 20 0 1  ri ots destro yed theneighborh o od an d  m ost p eop le lef t.  Th en 3C DC
bou g htthe m ajorit yof the  buil di ngs.

~~ ~
api
I grew up in Cinc innati  andwas  in OTR d uri n g t he riots,  alb eit in a t hir d
f loorsec u re ap artm e nt . I t  wasn 't n e arly as b a dast h epress cover a g e  ma de it 
ou t  to be ...mostly a bunch of stupid kids tr ying t o s mas h  and  g rab. But the
b adpr e s s defini te ly ruined O 
, not_contradicting it._People absolutely _do_ make
these_comparisons, but_I_wouldn't point_to_what people happen_to do as
evidence_that any random one_of those things_makes_any sense.

I get it; we like these comparisons. They're fun. They're also -- at_best_--
misleading.

------
refurb
This part_confuses_me:

__" From 2010 to 2014_it went from about 60_percent black_to two-thirds white,
while the still-undeveloped section north of_Liberty_Street has remained_over
80 percent African-American."_

Is the neighborhood becoming more white because_white people are moving there?
Or because_black people are_leaving?_It_sounds like the population_dropped
dramatically with the crime.

If it's because_there were 4000 blacks and 1000_whites and now there are 4000
blacks and_4000 whites, that doesn't sound like_a problem to me.

~~~
crisdux
The census_and 5_years estimates shows the picture_very differently. 9,572_was
the total_population in 1990._The 2014 estimates are 4,568. The_black
population living in_the neighborhood declined 65%, white population_declined
33%.

3CDC_and Cincinnati are_creating_a_vibrant neighborhood_for affluent whites.
Just_recently_has the_population_started to increase for the white_population.
As_the whole the neighborhood is declining in_population and becoming much
more_affluent_and much less dense.

Graph_with population numbers.
[http://infogr.am/o65l3dVQjEXPYKWO](http://infogr.am/o65l3dVQjEXPYKWO)

------
mountaineer22
Related:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Subway](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Subway)

------
fhood
Short answer, by_pricing out the poor people.

~~~
logn
The 2001_riots destroyed_the neighborhood_and most people left. Then 3CDC
bought the majority of the buildings.

~~~
api
I_grew up in Cincinnati and was_in OTR during the_riots, albeit_in_a third
floor secure_apartment._It wasn't_nearly as bad as the press coverage_made it
out_to be... mostly a bunch of_stupid kids trying to_smash_and grab. But the
bad press definitely_ruined O