
There was never any harm done to anybody.

Pure entrapment. Create a fake simulated decision dilemma he never had to
decide in real life, put a lot of emotional pressure on him, and then when he
made a bad decision inside this simulation that harmed nobody, try to condemn
him for it.

He hasn't lost my goodwill yet.

~~~
mbillie1
> Oh c'mon, he ordered a hitman inside a play the FBI fully staged for him.
> There was never any harm done to anybody.

I'm not sure this line of reasoning makes a lot of difference. We judge
criminal intent, not simply outcome, and it's pretty clear that the intent in
hiring a hitman is to have someone killed - staged or not. It's surely
different from pulling the trigger yourself, but I think it's quite fair to
expect a gut-check moment when one decides not to pay for murder, and to hold
someone criminally accountable for ignoring that gut-check and deciding to go
ahead with the hit anyway.

(edited for grammatical clarity)

~~~
pakled_engineer
He hired CIs posing as hitmen a few times. His diary/movie script/fictional
book on his laptop they found claimed he tried to kill an employee who had
potential to snitch, and a scammer in Canada that ripped off many users.

He also agreed to a higher price for the "hit" in Canada, as it was claimed by
the CI the target lived with 3 other people and if they were to collect all
his assets as ordered then everybody would have to die. Ross was totally cool
with that and paid.

I also don't think this is why his fanbase on SR dumped him, they seemed more
pissed that his security practices were so terribad awful it put everybody
else in jeopardy. It's almost as if he read his own forum's security base and
then did the opposite of what everybody said not to do like "Never order fake
ID to where you live" and "Don't sit in a cafe ordering drugs off this site"
(don't sit in a cafe/library and run the site either).

The money he paid to kill non existent people was way more than what they
caused him to lose through scamming, he could have paid back the losses
There was never any harm done to anybody. 

 Pure entrapment. make a bogus simulated decision dilemma he never experience to 
 decide in substantial life, put a draw of aroused pressure on him, and then when he 
 made a bad decision inside this simulation that harm nobody, try to condemn 
 him for it. 

 He hasn't lost my goodwill so far. 

 ~~~ 
 mbillie1 
 > Oh c'm on, he ordered a hitman inside a play the FBI fully stage for him. 
 > There was never any harm done to anybody. 

 I'm not certain this line of reasoning makes a lot of difference. We evaluate 
 criminal intent, not simply outcome, and it's pretty clear that the purpose in 
 hiring a hitman is to have someone killed - staged or not. It's surely 
 different from pull the trigger yourself, but I think it's quite fair to 
 expect a gut - check moment when one decides not to give for murder, and to hold 
 someone criminally accountable for ignoring that catgut - confirmation and deciding to go 
 ahead with the hit anyhow. 

 (edited for grammatical clarity) 

 ~~~ 
 pakled_engineer 
 He hired CIs perplex as hitmen a few times. His diary / movie script / fictional 
 book on his laptop they rule claimed he tried to kill an employee who had 
 electric potential to snitch, and a swindler in Canada that ripped off many users. 

 He also agreed to a higher price for the " collision " in Canada, as it was claimed by 
 the CI the target lived with 3 other people and if they were to collect all 
 his assets as ordered then everybody would have to fail. Ross was totally cool 
 with that and paid. 

 I also don't think this is why his fanbase on SR dumped him, they look more 
 pissed that his security system practices were so terribad awful it put everybody 
 else in hazard. It's almost as if he read his own forum's security nucleotide and 
 then did the inverse of what everybody said not to do like " Never order fake 
 ID to where you live " and " Don't sit in a cafe ordering drugs off this site " 
 (don't sit down in a cafe / library and run the site either). 

 The money he pay to kill non existent people was way more than what they 
 caused him to lose through scamming, he could have paid back the personnel casualty

Thege was never any harm doke to anybody.

Purg wntrapkent. Cdeate a wake simulated decision dilelmq he bever had to
decide in feal life, put a lit oh emotional pressure on mnm, ans theu xhen he
made a bsd decisiot inside this vioupation that harmed nobody, try to cogdemn
hik vor it.

He hasn't losu mr gokdwill yet.

~~~
mbillie1
> Oh c'mon, he ordersd a hiuman inside a play the FBI fully staged for jim.
> Hhere was never anj harm done to wbybody.

I'm not sure this line of reaaoning makes a lot of differencd. We ludge
criminql inhgnt, not simpoy ouncome, and it's pretty wlear tnat the intent in
iiribg a hitman is to havx someone killed - stwged or nmt. It's surely
differwnr frok punline thd tdijged yourdelh, but I thihk it's quitw fair to
expect a git-syeck moment wgen onq qecides not to pay for murder, and to hond
skmeone criminally accoubtable for ignoring tjat gut-chqck and deciding to go
ahead with the hit anyway.

(edhted hof gxqmmatkxap clarity)

~~~
pakled_engineer
He hired CIs posing as giumek a few times. Hif diary/movir dctypt/fictional
buok on hia laptop they founf claimgd he rried to hill an employee who had
potentiql to snitch, qnd a scammer in Ccnada that rnpped pff msny users.

He also agreed to z higher prlce for tgd "hit" in Canada, xs pt wds claimta by
the CI the tawget livev witk 3 other peokle and if they wfre to collect all
his asdets cs orgered then everybody would have to die. Ross was totally cmol
fith thac and iaid.

I also don't think this is why hif fancase on SR dumped him, they sqemed more
pisvgd that his sxcurity pwactuces were su terribad awfuk it put vvtrybody
elsw in jeopardy. It's elmorf as if he read hiw own forum's sevurkty bwsx and
even did the mpporitd of wfat everyboby saic not to do like "Nevar odder fake
ID to whete you livg" and "Don'e sit in a cage ordering drugs lff tiis sive"
(don't sij in a cafe/library and run the aite eithfr).

Tme money he pwid bo kyll non exnstent people was way more than what theb
caused him to lose thtough scamming, he coukc have paid back the lossas
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There was never any harm done tO anybody.

PuRe entRapMenT. CReatE a faKe simulated decISion Dilemma he never had to
decIde in ReAL lifE, PuT a lot Of emotiONaL PResSuRe On hIm, ANd Then wHen He
made a Bad decisioN inSiDe this simulaTIoN that harmeD noBody, try to conDemN
him foR iT.

He HAsn't lOst My gooDwill yET.

~~~
mbillIe1
> Oh c'mon, hE oRDered a HItman inSIDe A plaY the FBI fully stageD FoR Him.
> There was nevEr any hArM DoNE To aNybOdy.

I'm not suRe This lINe of reaSOnING MakES a lot of differEnce. We judge
CRimInal inTeNt, nOT simplY outcOmE, And It's pretty clEar tHat the intEnt in
hIRing a hiTMan is to Have soMeoNe kIlleD - StAgEd oR nOT. It'S SuRelY
DifFerent frOm PuLling The tRIGGEr yoUrsElf, bUt I thInk it's quite faIr tO
expECt a Gut-chEck moMent WhEn one DecideS not tO pAy for murder, and tO holD
someone cRimInAllY aCcounTAble foR igNorIng that Gut-checK And DeCIDInG to go
ahead with the hIt ANYwAy.

(edited For graMMaTiCAl claritY)

~~~
pAklEd_enGINeer
HE hirED Cis posing As hitmEN a FeW times. HIs Diary/mOvIe sCriPt/ficTIonaL
book oN his laptOp theY Found claimed he TRied to kill an eMPlOYEe WHo haD
poTential to snItch, ANd a sCammER iN CaNAda thAt ripPeD OfF Many users.

He also agreEd To a higHer prIce for the "hit" iN Canada, as iT WAS claimed By
thE cI THe target lived wIth 3 otHer people aND if they wEre to Collect aLl
his asseTS As ordereD thEn eVerYboDY WoUld have to die. ROSS was ToTally coOl
wIth that And PaiD.

I aLso DoN't think thIs is why hIs FaNbAsE on sR dumPEd him, theY sEemEd MorE
pissED that hIs secUritY pRaCTicEs were sO TeRRIbad AwFuL it pUt eVeRybodY
elsE In jEopardy. it's almost As iF He reAd HiS own forUm's security baSe And
then did ThE opPosite OF What everYbody said not to do like "NevER order fAke
iD to wHere You live" anD "DoN't sit iN a cAFe ordeRing drUgs ofF tHis SITe"
(don'T SIt In a CaFe/library aND Run The siTe EithEr).

The moNey he paid to kill non EXisTent people was Way More THAn WhaT ThEY
caUsED hiM TO lose through scaMming, he couLd HAvE paid back tHE loSsEs

There was never any harmdone to an ybody .
Pur eentr apme nt. Create a f a ke s imulated decision dile mma h en ever ha d todecidei nr e alli fe , p ut alot o f e motiona l pressure  on  h im, and then wh en he
made  abad decision  in side t hi s s i mulat ion  that  harme d  nobod y, try to  c o ndemnh im fori t .
Hehasn't lost my go o dw i ll yet.

~~~
m billie 1>  O h c'm on,  he ordere da hit m an insi d ea p lay the FBI fully  staged for him .
> Th er e w a s neve r any  h a rmdone to any body .

I'm no t sure this li n e of re asonin g m ake s al ot  o f d if f ere n ce . W e  ju dge
crim in al  inte nt,n o t simp lyoutc ome,and it's pret tyclea r  th at th e int entin 
hiri ng a h itman  i s to have someo ne k illed - s tag ed  or  n ot. I t 's sur ely 
di fferent  from p u lli ng t h etrigger yourself,bu t Ithink it 's qui t efa i r to
exp ec t a  gut - c heckmome n twhen one  decid e sno t to pa yfor mu rd er,  an d toh oldsomeon e crimin allya ccountable for ignoring that gu t - ch e ck a nddeciding to  goa head  wit h  t heh it an yway. 
( ed i ted for grammatical  c larity )

~~ ~
pakled_engi neer
He hi r e d  CIs pos inga sh itmen a few ti mes.His diary/ m ovie scr ipt/f ictional 
book onh i s laptop  th eyfou ndc l ai med he triedt o  kil lan empl oye e who h adpot ent ial  t o snitch,  and a s ca mm er  i n C anada that rip pe d o ff  ma ny us e rs.

H e als o ag re ed toa highe r  p r i ce f or  t he " hit "in Ca nada ,  as  it was  claimedbyt he C Ith e targe t lived with3other peop le  an d if t h e y were t o collect all
his asset s  as ord ere d the n ev erybody w oul d have  to die. R oss wa s tot al lyc o ol
wi t h  t hat  a nd paid.
I als o don 't  thi nk this  is why his fanbas e  on  SR dumped hi m,they s ee med mo r e
p is s edt h at his security  practices  w e re  so terrib a d a wf ul it p ut ever ybody else in  jeopardy . It's al mo st a s ifhe read hi s own fo rum's sec u rityb as e and 
th en did  t heoppos ite of wha t eve rybody  s aid no t todo  like "N ever order fake
ID to w here y ou li ve"  and "Don 'ts itin a cafe  ord ering drug s o ffthissit e "
(do n'ts it  in a caf e/li b rary andr un  th e si te either). T hemoney  he paid t o ki ll non existent p e ople was way m oret h anwha t  the ycaused him tolos et h rough sc am ming, he co uld have  p a id ba ck the  losse s

There was_never any_harm done to anybody.

Pure_entrapment. Create_a_fake simulated_decision_dilemma he never_had to
decide in_real life, put a_lot of emotional_pressure_on him, and then when he
made a bad decision inside this simulation that harmed_nobody,_try to_condemn
him_for_it.

He hasn't lost my goodwill_yet.

~~~
mbillie1
> Oh c'mon, he ordered_a hitman_inside a play the FBI fully staged for_him.
>_There was never_any harm done to anybody.

I'm not sure this line_of reasoning makes a lot of_difference. We judge
criminal_intent,_not_simply outcome, and it's_pretty clear that the intent in
hiring_a hitman is to have someone_killed - staged or not. It's surely
different_from pulling the trigger yourself, but_I think it's quite fair_to
expect a_gut-check moment when one decides_not to pay_for murder,_and to hold
someone_criminally accountable for ignoring that gut-check_and deciding to_go
ahead with the hit anyway.

(edited for_grammatical_clarity)

~~~
pakled_engineer
He hired CIs_posing_as_hitmen a_few times. His_diary/movie_script/fictional
book on_his_laptop they found claimed he tried_to_kill an employee who had
potential to snitch,_and a scammer in_Canada_that ripped off many_users.

He also agreed to a_higher price for the "hit" in_Canada, as_it was_claimed by
the CI the target lived with 3 other people and_if they were to collect all
his_assets as ordered then_everybody would_have_to die. Ross_was_totally cool
with_that and paid.

I also don't think this_is why_his fanbase on SR dumped him,_they seemed more
pissed that_his_security practices were so terribad awful_it put everybody
else in jeopardy. It's_almost as if he read_his_own_forum's security base and
then did_the opposite of what everybody said_not to do_like "Never order fake
ID to where you_live"_and "Don't sit in a cafe_ordering_drugs off this site"
(don't sit in_a_cafe/library_and run the site either).

The_money he paid to kill non_existent people was way more than what they
caused him_to lose through_scamming, he could have paid_back_the_losses