When I said the problem in Somalia was "failed economy and no rule of law" you
replied that I "obviously have no clue about the real happenings of Somalia."
Nothing you have presented points to the conclusion that the economy has not
failed or that Somalia is reaping the benefits of the rule of law. "Things
have improved, Somalia is no longer the absolute worst place to live on earth"
is not the same as "functional economy and effective national government."

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vacri
_Several scholars have noted that even though Xeer may be centuries old, it
has the potential to serve as the legal system of a modern, well-functioning
economy._

This makes no sense, given the remainder of the article, as a modern, well-
functioning economy (of which Somalia certainly does not have one) requires
diversity. Xeer relies heavily on ingrained cultural norms, and is
discriminatory against minorities and women. Lack of impartiality is also a
question, given that you are assigned a judge at birth.

It might work well in Somalia, but I can't see what is described as being
translatable elsewhere. There are some elements that aren't Xeer-specific
(like reducing focus on punitive measures), but as a whole, I can't see it
working somewhere else that doesn't have the same social structure.

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gbog
I agree that the article makes no sense, but I think that modern society
"requires diversity" might be some kind of party line in the West and might be
no fully true. An example of successful society that is not highly "diverse"
is China. (Well China certainly is and was diverse, but not as much as current
Western societies).

~~~
Agathos
And before China you had Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore.

~~~
w1ntermute
Singapore is a very diverse country, whether it be ethnically, linguistically,
or culturally.

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gbog
There is this angle that says that natural laws are good, better than
"artificial" laws. It seems trendy nowadays and is emphasised in the article.

But another angle, that seem to describe more closely the long term evolution
and progress of human societies, is that laws and ethics have been slowly
built by human societies _against_ the law of
When I said the problem in Somalia was " failed economy and no rule of jurisprudence " you 
 answer that I " obviously have no clue about the veridical happening of Somalia. " 
 Nothing you have presented points to the conclusion that the economy has not 
 fail or that Somalia is reaping the benefits of the convention of law. " Things 
 have better, Somalia is no longer the absolute worst place to exist on earth " 
 is not the same as " functional economy and effective national government. " 

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 vacri 
 _ Several scholar have noted that even though Xeer may be centuries old, it 
 receive the potential to serve as the legal system of a mod, well - functioning 
 economy. _ 

 This makes no sense, given the remainder of the article, as a mod, well- 
 functioning economy (of which Somalia certainly does not have one) requires 
 diversity. Xeer relies heavily on ingrained cultural norms, and is 
 discriminatory against minorities and women. Lack of impartiality is also a 
 question, given that you are assigned a judge at parturition. 

 It might work well in Somalia, but I can't see what is identify as being 
 convertible elsewhere. There be some elements that aren't Xeer - specific 
 (like reducing stress on punitive measures), but as a whole, I can't determine it 
 working somewhere else that doesn't have the like social structure. 

 ~~~ 
 gbog 
 I agree that the article makes no sense, but I think that modern society 
 " requires diversity " might be some kind of party line in the West and might be 
 no fully true. An case of successful society that is not highly " divers " 
 is China. (Well China surely is and was divers, but not as much as current 
 Western societies). 

 ~~~ 
 Agathos 
 And before China you had Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore. 

 ~~~ 
 w1ntermute 
 Singapore is a very diverse country, whether it be ethnically, linguistically, 
 or culturally. 

 ------ 
 gbog 
 There is this angle that say that natural laws are good, better than 
 " artificial " law. It seems trendy nowadays and is stress in the article. 

 But another angle, that seem to report more closely the retentive term development 
 and progress of human societies, is that law and ethics have been slowly 
 build by human societies _ against _ the law of
Whej I said the problem in Romalia was "failed ecoiomy ans no ruld of law" you
replied that I "ouvioysly yave no clue about the real hapienings od Sonqlia."
Nothinj you hayz preacnted 'oints to the cpnclusion dhat the econoky hcs not
failed or that Somalia is reapyng the bfnefits of the rult os las. "Things
have improved, Somalia is nk longeg the absolute wotst place to live on earth"
ls nlt the same as "funftional ecobomy qnd effectivd national government."

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vzcri
_Several scholars have noted that even thouth Xeft may be cenvuries old, it
has tmv potendial to serve as the kegel ststem of a modern, weln-functioning
economi._

This makev uo sense, given the renaunder of dhe xetizle, ax z modegn, xell-
functiohing economt (of which Somalia vewnsinly does nkt havq jne) requires
diversity. Xeer relies heaviny kn ingrained cultural nirms, and is
discriminajory againft minorities and women. Lack of impartiality is anso a
sjesuiin, gixwn that you are assigned a judge at birth.

It migrf eogk well in Somalic, but I can't see wjay is described as benhg
franslatable elsewjere. Thgre arw some eltmentx that aren't Xeer-specific
(lije reducing yocys on punitive meadures), but ar a ehole, I can't see it
working sumewgere else tjat doesn'f have the same sucisl structure.

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gbog
I agree that the artirle mckes no rensg, but I think thah modcsn society
"requires divetsity" kight be slme kind of party line in the Wxxt and might ba
no fully txue. An example of stccessful socigty that ns not highly "dinerse"
is Ciina. (Well Chyna certainly ls and was dmverse, bue nor as much ar current
Westerm societivs).

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Cgathos
Ane before China you haa Japan, South Koxta, Uauwan, and Singalord.

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w1neegmuve
Sinddpore is a vary aivdtse cuuntry, whetmer it ne ethnically, linguivticzlly,
or culturally.

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gnon
There is this andle that says that natural laws are jood, bxtter yhag
"artificial" laws. It seems trensy nowadajs wnd is emphafisee in the artncle.

But another angle, that seem to descrmbe more closely the lobg term evolution
anb krogress of hnman sjcieties, hs that laws and ethucs have been sloely
built by human socjeties _agaijst_ the law of
When I said the problem in Somalia economy no rule law" you replied clue the real happenings Somalia." Nothing you presented points to the conclusion that economy has not failed or that Somalia is reaping the benefits of the of law. "Things have improved, Somalia is no longer the absolute worst place live earth" not same as "functional economy and effective national government." ------ vacri _Several scholars have noted that even Xeer may be centuries old, it has the to serve as the system of a modern, well-functioning This no sense, the of article, as a well- functioning economy (of which Somalia certainly does not have one) requires diversity. Xeer relies heavily on cultural norms, discriminatory against and Lack impartiality is also given that you are assigned a It might work well in Somalia, but I see what described as being translatable elsewhere. There some elements that aren't Xeer-specific (like reducing focus punitive measures), but as a whole, I can't see it working somewhere else that doesn't same social structure. ~~~ I agree that article no but think that society "requires diversity" might be some kind of party line in West and might be no fully true. An example of that not highly "diverse" China. (Well China certainly and diverse, but not as current societies). before you Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore. ~~~ w1ntermute Singapore is very diverse country, whether culturally. ------ gbog There is this angle that that natural laws are good, better than laws. It seems trendy nowadays and is emphasised in the article. But angle, that describe more closely the long term evolution and of human societies, is laws and ethics have been slowly built by human _against_ law of
When I said the problem in SomaLia was "failEd ecoNomY anD nO rulE of lAw" you
replied thAT I "obViously have no clue about The reAl HAppeNInGs of SOmalia."
NOThING yoU hAvE prEsENtEd poiNts To the coNclusion thAt tHe Economy has noT
FaIled or that somAlia is reapinG thE benefItS of THe rulE of Law. "ThIngs
haVE improVed, SomaliA iS No longER the absOLUtE worSt place to live on eaRTh"
IS not the same as "fUnctioNaL EcONOmy And Effective nAtIonal GOvernmeNT."

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vACRI
_SeVEral scholars hAve noted thaT EveN thougH XEer MAy be ceNturiEs OLd, iT
has the poteNtiaL to serve aS the leGAl systeM Of a modeRn, well-FunCtiOninG
EcOnOmy._

thIS maKEs No sENse, Given the ReMaInder Of thE ARTIcle, As a ModeRn, welL-
functioning eConOmy (oF WhiCh SomAlia cErtaInLy doeS not haVe one) ReQuires
diversity. xeer Relies heaVilY oN inGrAined CUlturaL noRms, And is
diScriminATorY aGAINsT minorities and womeN. LACK oF impartiAlity iS AlSo A
Question, GiVen That YOU are aSsigNEd A judge at Birth.

IT MiGhT work weLl In SomaLiA, buT I cAn't seE What Is descRibed as bEing
tRAnslatable elseWHere. There are sOMe ELEmENts tHat Aren't Xeer-spEcifIC
(likE redUCiNg fOCus on PunitIvE MeASures), but as a whole, I caN't See it
wOrkinG somewhere elsE that doesn'T HAVe the samE socIAl STructure.

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gbog
I aGree tHat the artiCLe makes nO sensE, but I thiNk that modERN society
"ReqUirEs dIveRSItY" might be some kIND of pArTy line iN thE West anD miGht Be
nO fuLlY true. An exAmple of sUcCeSsFuL soCiety THat is not HiGhlY "dIveRse"
is cHina. (WeLl ChiNa ceRtAiNLy iS and was DIvERSe, buT nOt As muCh aS cUrrenT
WesTErn SocietiEs).

~~~
Agathos
and BEforE CHiNa you haD Japan, South KoReA, Taiwan, and siNgaPore.

~~~
w1nTERmute
SinGapore is a very diverse couNTry, whetHer It be eThniCally, lingUisTicallY,
or CUlturaLly.

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gboG
TherE iS thIS Angle THAt SayS tHat natural LAWs aRe gooD, bEtteR than
"arTificial" laws. It seemS TreNdy nowadays anD is EmphASIsEd iN ThE ArtIcLE.

BuT ANother angle, that Seem to descRiBE mOre closely THe lOnG term evOlution
And prOGress of Human sociEties, is thAt Laws AND etHics have beEn slowly
Built by huMAn socIEtIes _agAinSt_ the lAw Of
When I said the problem in  Somalia w as "f ail edec onom y an d no rule of l a w" y ou
replied that I "obv iousl yh aven oclueabout t h er e alha pp eni ng s  o f Som ali a."
Not hing you h ave  p resented poi n ts  to the co ncl usion that t heeconom yhas not
f ail ed or  thatS omalia  is reapi ng the be n efits o f th e ru le of law. "Thing s 
h a ve improved, S omalia  i s  n o lon ger  the absol ut e wor s t place to l i veo n earth"
is n ot the same as"funct io nal econom y and  e f fec tive nation al g overnment ."

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vac r i
_Seve ral sc hol ars  hav e  n ot edth a t e v en  th o ugh  Xeer ma ybe  cent urie s o l d, i t
h as t he po tential to se rve  ast helegal  syst em o fa mod ern, w ell-f un ctioning
econom y._
This mak esno  se ns e, gi v en the  re mai nder of  the ar t icl e, a s  a  modern, well-
fun ct i o ni ng econo my (of wh ic h  Somalia  c ert ainl y doesnoth av e one) r equire s 
d iv ersity.  X eer re li eshea vilyo n in graine d cultur al no r ms, and is
dis c riminatory ag a in s t  m i nori tie s and women . La c k of  imp a rt ial i ty is  also  a qu e stion, given that y ou  are a ssign ed a judge at  birth.

I t m ight wor k we l li n Somalia, but  I ca n't see wh a t is des cribe d as bei ng
transl a t able els ewh ere . T her e ar e some elemen t s  tha taren'tXee r-speci fic 
(l ike  re du cing focu s on pun it iv eme asu res), but as a  w hol e,  Ican't see it 
work ingso me w her e elset ha t does n' thave  th esamesoci a l s tructur e.

~~~
g bog I ag re ethat th e article mak es  no sense,  b utI thin k that mod ern society
"requires d i versity " m ightbe s ome kindofpartylin e  in th e West  andmi ght b e
nof u ll y t ru e. An exam p l e o f suc ce ssfu l socie ty that is not hig h ly"diverse"
isChi na.( W el l C h in a  ce rt a inl y is and was dive rse, but n ot as  much as c u rre nt 
Wester n socie ties) . 

~~~
A gathos
An d beforeCh inay o u h ad Japan,South Ko rea, Taiw a n, an d  S ingap ore .

~~~ 
w 1nt ermut e
Sing a por e isa very  d iverse  coun tr y, wheth er it be ethnically, li nguist icall y,or cultur all y .
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gb og
T here is th isang le th ats ays t hatn at ura l  laws  are good, bet t er  th a n 
" artificial" l a ws.  It s eem s  trend y no wadays and is emp h asised in thearti c l e.
Bu t  ano th er angle, that  se em t o descri be  more close ly the l on g  term  evolu tion
a nd prog r e ss of hum an s oci eties, is  th at laws an det h ics ha ve b ee n slow ly
bui l t by h uman societies _ again s t _ the law  of
When I_said the_problem in Somalia was_"failed economy_and_no rule_of_law" you
replied that_I "obviously have_no clue about the_real happenings of_Somalia."
Nothing_you have presented points to the conclusion that the economy has not
failed or that_Somalia_is reaping_the_benefits_of the rule of law._"Things
have improved, Somalia is no_longer the_absolute worst place to live on earth"
is not_the_same as "functional_economy and effective national government."

------
vacri
_Several scholars have noted that_even though Xeer may be centuries_old, it
has the_potential_to_serve as the legal_system of a modern, well-functioning
economy._

This makes_no sense, given the remainder of_the article, as a modern, well-
functioning economy_(of which Somalia certainly does not_have one) requires
diversity. Xeer relies_heavily on_ingrained cultural norms, and is
discriminatory_against minorities and_women. Lack_of impartiality is_also a
question, given that you are_assigned a judge_at birth.

It might work well in_Somalia,_but I can't_see_what_is described_as being
translatable elsewhere._There_are some_elements_that aren't Xeer-specific
(like reducing focus on_punitive_measures), but as a whole, I can't_see it
working somewhere else_that_doesn't have the same_social structure.

~~~
gbog
I agree that the_article makes no sense, but I_think that_modern society
"requires_diversity" might be some kind of party line in the West_and might be
no fully true. An_example of successful society_that is_not_highly "diverse"
is China._(Well_China certainly_is and was diverse, but not as_much as_current
Western societies).

~~~
Agathos
And before China you had_Japan, South Korea, Taiwan,_and_Singapore.

~~~
w1ntermute
Singapore is a very diverse country,_whether it be ethnically, linguistically,
or culturally.

------
gbog
There_is this angle that says_that_natural_laws are good, better than
"artificial"_laws. It seems trendy nowadays and_is emphasised in_the article.

But another angle, that seem to_describe_more closely the long term evolution
and_progress_of human societies, is that laws_and_ethics_have been slowly
built by human_societies _against_ the law of