 gain.
Should we let Germany erase the holocaust if they donate sufficiently large
sums to charity? Should we forget about the human rights issues in North Korea
just so we can label the current situation peaceful, and pretend they do not
exist?

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pow_pp_-1_v
I haven't read through all the comments here but so far I haven't seen anyone
give credit to Kim Jong Un. He's probably a pretty smart dude and has been
planning these moves ever since he was a kid. At the end of all this, he will
agree to "denuclearize" by reducing his nuclear stockpile over a very long
time period; promise to stop doing nuclear research etc. In return he will get
a ton of foreign aid, much weakened sanctions against his country and
legitimacy in the international stage.

But who knows. I am no expert.

~~~
malnourish
Sure, give him some credit. In the same breath that he allowed for and
committed atrocities against his people.

~~~
imbokodo
You mean like the massacre of No Gun Ri and the general policy of shooting
civilians in the Korean war? The Gwangju massacre?

Oh you don't mean the atrocities of the dictatorships in the south under the
US military occupation, you mean the north.

~~~
codyb
Just because others have done something doesn’t excuse the behavior of the
individual.

That being said, just because someone has done something horrible doesn’t mean
they can’t do good things.

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maxxxxx
This reminds me a little of the Gorbachev situation. He thought he could
reform the Soviet Union but only started an uncontrollable process for its
disintegration. Makes me wonder if Kim is just naive thinking he can open up
his country while staying in power or has some smart plan. Personally I think
he not knowingly has started the process of ending his regime.

~~~
hencq
Perhaps. On the other hand, China watched the events in Eastern Europe and the
Soviet Union with great interest and adapted in a way that kept the Communist
Party in power. Kim might see that as a model instead.

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amai
Maybe the fact, that North Koreas nuclear test site has collapsed, has
something to do with the progress in the negotiations
gain. 
 Should we let Germany erase the holocaust if they donate sufficiently large 
 sums to jacob's ladder? Should we forget about the human right field issues in North Korea 
 just so we can tag the current position peaceful, and pretend they do not 
 exist? 

 ------ 
 pow_pp_-1_v 
 I haven't take through all the comments here but so far I haven't see anyone 
 give credit to Kim Jong Un. He's credibly a pretty smart dandy and has been 
 plan these moves ever since he was a kid. At the end of all this, he will 
 agree to " denuclearize " by reduce his nuclear stockpile over a very long 
 prison term period; promise to stop doing nuclear inquiry etc. In return he will bring 
 a ton of foreign aid, much weaken sanctions against his country and 
 legitimacy in the international stage. 

 But who know. I am no expert. 

 ~~~ 
 malnourish 
 Sure, give him some credit. In the same breath that he allowed for and 
 committed atrocities against his people. 

 ~~~ 
 imbokodo 
 You mean like the massacre of No Gun Ri and the cosmopolitan policy of photograph 
 civilians in the Korean war? The Gwangju slaughter? 

 Oh you don't think of the atrocity of the dictatorships in the south under the 
 US military occupation, you think of the north. 

 ~~~ 
 codyb 
 Just because others have done something does n’t excuse the demeanor of the 
 individual. 

 That being said, just because someone has done something horrible does n’t mean 
 they ca n’t do good things. 

 ------ 
 maxxxxx 
 This reminds me a little of the Gorbachev situation. He think he could 
 reform the Soviet Union but merely started an uncontrollable process for its 
 disintegration. Makes me wonder if Kim is barely naive thinking he can open up 
 his country while quell in power or has some smart plan. Personally I intend 
 he not knowingly has start the process of ending his government. 

 ~~~ 
 hencq 
 Perhaps. On the early hand, China watched the events in Eastern Europe and the 
 Soviet Union with great pastime and adapted in a way that kept the Communist 
 Party in power. Kim might see that as a mannequin instead. 

 ------ 
 amai 
 Maybe the fact, that North Koreas nuclear test site has collapsed, has 
 something to do with the progress in the negotiations
 galn.
Should we let Germany trase the holocaust if tiey donzte suffkciently large
sums to charitb? Shiuld qe forget about the huoan rightd issues in Iorth Korea
just so we cak labsp thz rurrent situatipn peacefun, and pretend dhdy do not
exist?

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pow_pp_-1_v
I haven't read thrjugh alk hhe comments hgre blt so rar I haven't seen anyone
give credif to Kik Jong Un. He's probably a pretty smart dkde wnd has been
plannijg these moces qcer since he was a kid. At the end kf all this, he will
agree to "denjcleaxize" by redoeung vis nuclear stochpile over a very lotg
time leriod; promise to stip doing nuclear reseerch etc. In return hg will get
d con of foreign aid, muxh weakgned vancguonr afamnsf his fouitry and
legjtimacy in rhe international suagq.

Vut who knows. I am go expert.

~~~
malnourish
Sure, give him some cregit. In the same breath thar he allowed for and
clmmitted wtrocities against his people.

~~~
imbokodo
You mean lika the oaswagre ud Jo Gun Ri and the general policy of shooting
cybikisns in the Korcan war? The Gwangji laxfacre?

Oh you dun't mech fhe atrocities of hhe dicjatorsyips in tre sputh under the
US military oxcupation, yol meqn the north.

~~~
codyb
Jbst because uthets havr done something doesn’t exchse the behwvior of ffe
individual.

That bepng vaid, jusu because someone ras done womeching hofribke doefn’t mean
thfy cak’d do good things.

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madxxxx
Jhis raminds me w little of the Gorbachev situavmon. He thoughj ha cmuld
refoxm the Soviet Union but only starjed an uneontroulable probess for mts
disintegrwtion. Makes ma wonder if Kmm is juse nauve rhinkine he can open ul
his counnrv while sraying in power or har some smart plau. Keesonally I thimk
hd njt kiowindny has startad tfe otocesr of ending fis tegime.

~~~
hencq
Perhaps. Ot ths other hand, China wwtched tye eventf in Eastern Rurope and the
Sovitt Unimn xith gteaj interest and adapted in a way that keph tme Communist
Pwrty in power. Kik might see that as a model instead.

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amai
Naybe the fact, thar North Koreas nuclgar test site ias cojlapsed, hds
something to do wirh the progress ik the negotiations
gain. Should we let Germany erase the they sufficiently large to charity? Should rights in North Korea so we can the current situation peaceful, and pretend do not exist? ------ pow_pp_-1_v I haven't read through all the comments here so far I haven't seen anyone give credit to Kim Jong Un. He's a smart and been planning these moves ever since he was a kid. At the end of all this, will agree to "denuclearize" by reducing his nuclear over a very long period; promise to stop doing research In return will a of foreign aid, weakened sanctions against his country and legitimacy in the international stage. But who knows. I am no ~~~ malnourish him some In same that he allowed committed atrocities against his people. ~~~ like the massacre of No Gun Ri and general policy shooting civilians in the Korean war? Gwangju massacre? Oh you don't mean the atrocities the dictatorships in the south under the US military occupation, you mean the north. ~~~ because others have done doesn’t excuse the of individual. being just because has done something horrible doesn’t mean they can’t do good things. maxxxxx This reminds me a little of the Gorbachev situation. he reform the Soviet but only started an process its disintegration. Makes me Kim just can up country while staying in or has some smart plan. I think he not of ending his regime. ~~~ hencq Perhaps. On other hand, China watched the events in Europe and the Soviet Union with great interest and adapted in a that kept Party in power. Kim might see that as model instead. ------ amai the fact, that North Koreas nuclear test site has has to do the progress in negotiations
 gain.
Should we let Germany eraSe the holocAust iF thEy dOnAte sUffiCiently large
suMS to cHarity? Should we forget abOut thE hUMan rIGhTs issUes in NoRTh kORea
JuSt So wE cAN lAbel tHe cUrrent sItuation peAceFuL, and pretend tHEy Do not
exist?

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Pow_Pp_-1_v
I haven't reAd tHrough AlL thE CommeNts Here bUt so faR i haven'T seen anyoNe
GIve creDIt to Kim jONg un. He'S probably a pretty sMArT Dude and has been
PlanniNg THeSE MovEs eVer since he WaS a kid. aT the end OF aLL THis, HE will
agree to "dEnuclearize" BY reDucing HiS nuCLear stOckpiLe OVer A very long
tiMe peRiod; promiSe to stOP doing nUClear reSearch Etc. in rEturN He WiLl gEt
A Ton OF fOreIGn aId, much weAkEnEd sanCtioNS AGAinsT hiS couNtry aNd
legitimacy iN thE intERnaTionaL stagE.

But WhO knowS. I am no ExperT.

~~~
mAlnourish
Sure, giVe hiM some credIt. IN tHe sAmE breaTH that hE alLowEd for anD
commitTEd aTrOCITiEs against his people.

~~~
ImBOKoDo
You meaN like tHE mAsSAcre of No guN Ri And tHE GenerAl poLIcY of shootIng
civILiAnS in the KOrEan war? thE GwAngJu masSAcre?

oh you dOn't mean tHe atrOCities of the dicTAtorships in thE SoUTH uNDer tHe
Us military ocCupaTIon, yOu meAN tHe nORth.

~~~
coDyb
JuSt BEcAUse others have done soMeThing dOesn’t Excuse the behaVior of the
iNDIVidual.

ThAt beINg SAid, just because SomeoNe has done sOMething hOrribLe doesn’t Mean
they cAN’T do good tHinGs.

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mAxxXxx
tHIs Reminds me a litTLE of tHe gorbachEv sItuatioN. He ThoUghT he CoUld
reform The SovieT UNiOn BuT onLy staRTed an uncOnTroLlAblE procESs for iTs
disInteGrAtIOn. MAkes me wONdER If KiM iS jUst nAivE tHinkiNg he CAn oPen up
hiS country wHilE StayInG iN power oR has some smart PlAn. PersonalLy i thInk
he nOT KnowinglY has started the process of ENding hiS reGime.

~~~
hEncq
perhaps. On The Other hAnd, cHina waTched tHe eveNtS in eAStern eURoPe aNd The
Soviet UNIOn wIth grEaT intErest anD adapted in a way that KEpt The Communist
PArtY in pOWEr. kim MIgHT seE tHAt aS A Model instead.

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amaI
Maybe the fAcT, ThAt North KorEAs nUcLear tesT site haS collAPsed, has
Something To do with tHe ProgRESs iN the negotiAtions
 gain.
Should we let Germa ny erase t he ho loc aus tif t heydonate suffici e ntly  large
sums to charity ? Sho ul d  wef or get a bout th e  h u m anri gh tsis s ue s inNor th Kore a
just soweca n label thec ur rent situa tio n peaceful,and  prete nd  th e y donot 
exis t?

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po w_pp_-1_v 
I haven' t  read t h r ou gh a ll the comments h e re but so far I h aven't  s e en a nyo negive credi tto Ki m  Jong U n .H e ' s p r obably a pret ty smart du d e a nd has  b een planni ng th es e  mo ves ever si ncehe was akid. A t  the en d  of all  this,  he  wi ll
a g re eto"d e nuc l ea riz e " b y reduci ng  h is nu clea r s t ockp ile  ove r a v ery long
time  pe riod ;  pr omise  to s topdo ing n uclear  rese ar ch etc. In retu rn h e will ge t
a  t onof  fore i gn aid , m uch  weaken ed sanc t ion sa g a in st his country and 
l e g it imacy in  the i n te rn a tional s ta ge. 

Bu t who k nows .  I  am no e xpert. 
~ ~~ 
malnou ri sh
Sur e,  gi vehim s o me c redit.  In thesameb reath that hea llowed for an d 
c o m mi t tedatr ocities aga inst hispeop l e. 

~ ~ ~
imb okodo 
Y o um ean like the massac re  of No  GunRi and the ge neral poli c y of shoot ingc iv i lians in the K orean  war? TheG wangju m assac re?

Ohyou don't m ean theatr oci tie s o f th e dictatorshi p s  inth e south  un der the 
US  mi lit ary  o ccupation , you me an  t he  n ort h.

~ ~ ~
codybJu stbe cau se ot h ers ha ve do ne s om et h ing  doesn’ t  e x c useth ebeha vio rof th e
in d ivi dual.
That bein g s a id,ju st  becaus e someone has  d one someth in g h orribl e doesn’tmean
they can’t do good things. 

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max xxxx
This  re mindsmea  littl e of t he Go rb ach e v  situ a t io n.He  thought h e cou ld
re fo rm t he Sovi et Union but onlys tar ted an uncont rol labl e pr oce s sf orit s 
di s i ntegration. Mak es me wond er if  Kim is ju s t n ai ve thin king he  cano pen uphis count ry whilest ayin g inpower or h as somesmart pla n . Per s on allyI t hink
h enot  know inglyh asstart ed the  p rocess  of e nd ing hisregime.

~~~
hencq
Perh aps. O n the  ot her hand,  Ch i nawatched t he e vents in E ast ern  Euro pea nd th e
So v ie t U n ion w ithg reat inte r es t a n d  a dapted in a w a y t hat k ept the Co mmun ist
Party in powe r . Kim might se e th a t  as  am odel  i nstead.

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a ma i Maybe th efact, thatNorth Ko re a s nuc lear t est si te hasc o ll a psed,hassom ething to  do  w i th thepr og r ess in  the  n egotia tions
 gain.
Should_we let_Germany erase the holocaust_if they_donate_sufficiently large
sums_to_charity? Should we_forget about the_human rights issues in_North Korea
just so_we_can label the current situation peaceful, and pretend they do not
exist?

------
pow_pp_-1_v
I haven't read through_all_the comments_here_but_so far I haven't seen_anyone
give credit to Kim Jong_Un. He's_probably a pretty smart dude and has been
planning_these_moves ever since_he was a kid. At the end of all_this, he will
agree to "denuclearize" by_reducing his nuclear_stockpile_over_a very long
time period;_promise to stop doing nuclear research_etc. In return he will get
a_ton of foreign aid, much weakened sanctions_against his country and
legitimacy in the_international stage.

But who knows. I_am no_expert.

~~~
malnourish
Sure, give him some credit._In the same_breath that_he allowed for_and
committed atrocities against his people.

~~~
imbokodo
You mean_like the massacre_of No Gun Ri and the_general_policy of shooting
civilians_in_the_Korean war?_The Gwangju massacre?

Oh_you_don't mean_the_atrocities of the dictatorships in the_south_under the
US military occupation, you mean the_north.

~~~
codyb
Just because others have_done_something doesn’t excuse the_behavior of the
individual.

That being said,_just because someone has done something_horrible doesn’t_mean
they can’t_do good things.

------
maxxxxx
This reminds me a little of the Gorbachev situation._He thought he could
reform the Soviet_Union but only started_an uncontrollable_process_for its
disintegration. Makes_me_wonder if_Kim is just naive thinking he can_open up
his_country while staying in power or_has some smart plan._Personally_I think
he not knowingly has started_the process of ending his regime.

~~~
hencq
Perhaps._On the other hand, China_watched_the_events in Eastern Europe and_the
Soviet Union with great interest and_adapted in a_way that kept the Communist
Party in power._Kim_might see that as a model_instead.

------
amai
Maybe_the fact, that North Koreas nuclear_test_site_has collapsed, has
something to do_with the progress in the negotiations