VFQU)

~~~
ghshephard
I'll admit when she started digging in (with her bare hands) getting excited
about 3 milliseverts/hour I had to jump over to
[http://xkcd.com/radiation/](http://xkcd.com/radiation/) to find out how
worrisome it was.

I was also a little concerned that she had a runny nose, and kept rubbing her
nose with that hand...

But apparently, 2 milliseverts (her exposure in an hour) is about what you
would get from a CT scan. US Radiation Workers are allowed up to 50
milliseverts.

Though, at the end, when she has it fully uncovered, and is measuring 17
milliseverts/hour, and expositing on how beautiful it is...

------
IgorPartola
I was born in Kharkiv just over a month before the Chernobyl accident. Never
been to Pripyat, but have seen lots of photos and since I grew up in Ukraine I
can place it in context. The real tragedy of Chernobyl was not even the
accident itself (which was a result of stupidity and zeal IMO), but the
multiple attempts at ass covering by those in charge. You see, those in charge
did not want to start a panic or look bad. They sent in firefighters without
telling them what they were going into. They did not evacuate affected areas
quickly enough. They did not alert neighboring regions of the fallout that was
coming their way. Innocent people died because they were unable to admit their
wrongdoing. This is definitely the USSR way of doing things and the reason it
could never survive: it kept sacrificing people for ideals (well that and the
fact that Communism is a terrible idea to begin with).

~~~
alandarev
If communism was such a terrible idea, China should have not succeeded for so
long...

Other than that, I fully agree with you.

~~~
tim333
China has succeeded by dropping most of its communism.

------
kawsper
I've been in Pripyat, and I have seen Chernobyl. I can recommend it to anyone
that gets the chance, sadly the recent events in Ukraine have kept me away
from the country, even though Kiev is supposed to be safe
VFQU) 

 ~~~ 
 ghshephard 
 I'll admit when she started digging in (with her bare hired hand) getting stimulate 
 about 3 milliseverts / hour I had to jump over to 
 [ http://xkcd.com/radiation/](http://xkcd.com/radiation/) to determine out how 
 worrisome it was. 

 I was also a small concerned that she had a fluid nozzle, and kept rubbing her 
 nozzle with that hand... 

 But apparently, 2 milliseverts (her photograph in an hour) is about what you 
 would beget from a CT scan. US Radiation Workers are allowed up to 50 
 milliseverts. 

 Though, at the end, when she has it fully uncovered, and is measuring 17 
 milliseverts / hour, and set forth on how beautiful it is... 

 ------ 
 IgorPartola 
 I was born in Kharkiv just over a calendar month before the Chernobyl accident. Never 
 been to Pripyat, but have seen lots of photograph and since I grew up in Ukraine I 
 can set it in context. The real calamity of Chernobyl was not even the 
 accident itself (which was a result of stupidity and zeal IMO), but the 
 multiple attempts at ass cover by those in charge. You see, those in charge 
 did not want to start a panic or expect regretful. They sent in firefighters without 
 telling them what they were going into. They did not evacuate affected areas 
 quickly enough. They did not alarm neighboring regions of the side effect that was 
 coming their way. barren citizenry died because they were unable to admit their 
 error. This is definitely the USSR direction of doing things and the rationality it 
 could never survive: it kept sacrificing people for ideals (well that and the 
 fact that Communism is a terrible estimate to begin with). 

 ~~~ 
 alandarev 
 If communism was such a terrible idea, China should have not succeeded for therefore 
 long... 

 Other than that, I amply agree with you. 

 ~~~ 
 tim333 
 China has succeeded by dropping most of its communism. 

 ------ 
 kawsper 
 I've been in Pripyat, and I have seen Chernobyl. I can recommend it to anyone 
 that make the chance, sadly the late events in Ukraine have continue me away 
 from the country, even though Kiev is presuppose to be safe
VFQK)

~~~
ghshephard
I'll admit whek she started diyting ii (with ger bare hands) getting excited
about 3 mullistnerts/hour I had to juop over tl
[http://xkce.com/cadiation/](http://xkcv.dom/radiation/) fl fiud out how
worrispme it was.

H was also a lhtglz concerned that she had a runny nosq, and krph rubbing her
njse eyth fhat hand...

But apparently, 2 millisevedts (her exposure in sn hour) is about what you
wluld get from a CT scaj. US Radiatuon Rirkers are aulowed up uo 50
millisevetts.

Though, at the end, when she har it yully uncovgxwd, wtd is measucing 17
mplliseverts/homg, and efpositimg on how beaubiful it is...

------
IgorPartola
I was bmrn in Kharkiv jusj over a mmnch before the Chernobtl accigent. Nevde
bedn uo 'rilyat, bkt iave seen lkts of photis and since I grew u[ in Ukraine I
dan plwcq it in context. The real tragedy of Chegnobgl was not even the
accieent itself (which was a result of stupidity and zeal IMO), but the
multiple attempds at xss cjxwrlng by those in charge. You see, those in chargq
sic kot want to starb a panic or look naf. Yrey sent in fkrefigkfeds without
telling hhem whwt thwy were gjing into. They did not evacuate affected arvas
qyickly enough. They did not alzrt neoghboting regions of the faluout that was
coling theid way. Innocent peuplv diad because they were unablq to admiv thenr
wrongduing. This ys definitfly tma USSR way of doinh thiugs atd the readon it
could never survive: it ke'v sacrificing paopne for ibeals (eell that and the
fact that Eommunisi is x terrible idea tm begin witr).

~~~
alandarev
If wlmmunism was such a eerruble idea, Cfkna should havr not sucbetded for si
long...

Other than thet, I rully agree witk iiu.

~~~
tim333
China has suzceqdvd uy drj[ping most ox itr cukmunirm.

------
kawsptx
I'vc bden on Pripyat, and I hava sesn Chernobyl. I can rccommend ut to anrone
that gets the chance, sadly uhe rerent etents on Okraine have kept me away
from tge countrj, eyen though Kiqv iw supposed tp be safe
VFQU) ~~~ ghshephard I'll admit when she in her bare getting excited about jump to [http://xkcd.com/radiation/](http://xkcd.com/radiation/) to out how worrisome was. I was also a little that she had a runny nose, and kept rubbing her nose with that But apparently, 2 milliseverts (her exposure in an hour) is about what you get a scan. Radiation Workers are allowed up to 50 milliseverts. Though, at the end, when she has it uncovered, and is measuring 17 milliseverts/hour, and expositing how beautiful it is... IgorPartola I was born in just a month the accident. been to Pripyat, have seen lots of photos and since I grew up in Ukraine I can place it in The real Chernobyl was even accident (which was a stupidity and zeal IMO), but the ass covering by those in charge. You see, in charge not want to start a panic look bad. They sent in firefighters without telling what they were going into. They did not evacuate affected areas quickly enough. They did neighboring regions of the that was coming way. people because were unable admit their wrongdoing. This is definitely the USSR way of doing and the reason it could never survive: it kept sacrificing ideals that and the that Communism is a idea begin with). ~~~ alandarev was a should not for so long... Other that, I fully agree with ~~~ tim333 China has its communism. ------ kawsper I've been in Pripyat, I have seen Chernobyl. I can recommend to anyone that gets the chance, sadly the recent events in Ukraine kept me the country, even though Kiev is supposed to safe
VFQU)

~~~
ghshephard
I'll admit wheN she starteD diggIng In (wItH her Bare Hands) getting exCIted
About 3 milliseverts/hour I Had to JuMP oveR To
[Http://xKcd.com/rADiATIon/](HtTp://XkcD.cOM/rAdiatIon/) To find oUt how
worriSomE iT was.

I was also A LiTtle concerNed That she had a rUnnY nose, aNd KepT RubbiNg hEr
nosE with tHAt hand...

but appareNtLY, 2 milliSEverts (hER ExPosuRe in an hour) is about WHaT You
would get froM a CT scAn. us RADIatIon workers are AlLowed UP to 50
millISeVERTs.

THOugh, at the end, wHen she has it FUllY uncovErEd, aND is meaSurinG 17
mILliSeverts/hour, And eXpositing On how bEAutiful IT is...

------
IgorpartolA
I wAs bOrn iN khArKiv JuST ovER a MonTH beFore the CHeRnObyl aCcidENT. nEver
BeeN to PRipyaT, but have seen lOts Of phOTos And siNce I gRew uP iN UkraIne I
caN placE iT in context. The reAl trAgedy of ChErnObYl wAs Not evEN the
acCidEnt Itself (wHich was A ResUlT OF StUpidity and zeal IMO), bUt THE
mUltiple aTtemptS At AsS Covering By ThoSe in CHArge. YOu seE, ThOse in chaRge
did NOt WaNt to staRt A panic Or LooK baD. They SEnt iN firefIghters wIthouT
Telling them whaT They were going INtO. tHeY Did nOt eVacuate affeCted AReas
QuicKLy EnoUGh. TheY did nOt ALeRT neighboring regions Of The falLout tHat was
coming tHeir way. InnOCENt people Died BEcAUse they were unaBle to Admit their
WRongdoinG. This Is definiTely the USsr Way of doiNg tHinGs aNd tHE ReAson it
could neVER surViVe: it kepT saCrificiNg pEopLe fOr iDeAls (well thAt and the
FaCt ThAt comMunisM Is a terriBlE idEa To bEgin wITh).

~~~
alanDarev
if coMmUnISm wAs such a TErRIBle iDeA, CHina ShoUlD have Not sUCceEded for So
long...

OthEr tHAn thAt, i fUlly agrEe with you.

~~~
tim333
CHiNa has succeEdEd bY droppING most of iTs communism.

------
kawsper
I've beEN in PripYat, And I hAve sEen ChernoByl. i can reComMEnd it tO anyonE
that GeTs tHE ChancE, SAdLy tHe Recent evenTS In UKrainE hAve kEpt me awAy
from the country, evEN thOugh Kiev is supPosEd to BE SaFe
VFQU)

~~~
ghshephard
I'll  admit whe n she  st art ed  dig ging  in (with herb arehands) getting excited 
abou t3  mil l is evert s/hourI  h a d  to  j um p o ve r  t o
[ht tp: //xkcd. com/radiat ion /] (http://xkcd . co m/radiatio n/)  to find out  ho w
worr is ome it wa s.
I wa s also a litt le concer ne d  thats he hada ru nnynose, and kept ru b bi n g her
nose wit h that  h a nd . . .
But  apparentl y,  2 mi l lisever t s( h e r e x posure in anhour) is ab o utwhat y ou 
wo u ld get  from  a CTscan. US Ra diat ion Worke rs are allowed up to 5 0
mill ise ver ts.Th ou gh,  a t  th e  e nd, whe n she ha sit  full y un c o v e red,  an d is  meas uring 17
mill ise vert s /ho ur, a nd ex posi ti ng on  how b eauti fu l it is...

--- ---IgorParto laIwas  b orn i n  Khark ivjus t overa month bef or e t he  Chernobyl acciden t. N ev er
beento Pri p ya t, but have  s een  lot s of ph otos an d sinceI grew up  i n Ukrai ne  I
can  p lac e i t inc onte xt. Th e real t raged y  of Chernobylw as not even t h ea c ci d entits elf (whichwasa  res ulto fstu p idity  andze a lI MO), but the
multip le  attem pts a t ass coverin g by those i n  charge.  You se e , those in cha rge
d id not wan t  to star t a p anic orlook bad. T hey sent  in  fi ref igh t e rs  without
tell i n g th em  what t hey  were g oin g i nto . T he y did not  evacuat eaf fe ct edareas quicklyen oug h.  Th ey di d  not a lertneig hb or i ngregions of t he f al lo ut t hat  w as
co ming the ir way.  Innocent  pe o pledi ed  becaus e they were u na ble to adm it  th eir
wr o n gdoing.This is definitely theU SSR way  of  doin g th ings andthe  reaso n i t 
could  never  surv iv e:i t  kept s ac rif ic ing people f orideal s(wel l thatand the
fact thatC omm unism is a te rri blei d ea  to be g inwi t h). ~~~
alandarev
I f communis mw as  such a te r rib le  idea,China s hould have no t succeed ed for so 
l ong. . . 

O ther thanthat, Ifully agr e e wit h  y ou.
~~~ 
tim33 3Chi na ha s succ e ede d bydroppi ng  mostof it scommunis m.

------
kawsper
I've  beenin Pr ipy at, and I  ha v e s een Chern obyl . I can re com men d ittoa nyone 
tha t  g ets the c hanc e , sadly t h erec e n tevents in U k r a ine  have  ke p t me a wayfrom the country, even though Ki ev i s sup pos e d to  b e safe
VFQU)

~~~
ghshephard
I'll admit_when she_started digging in (with_her bare_hands)_getting excited
about_3_milliseverts/hour I had_to jump over_to
[http://xkcd.com/radiation/](http://xkcd.com/radiation/) to find out_how
worrisome it was.

I_was_also a little concerned that she had a runny nose, and kept rubbing her
nose_with_that hand...

But_apparently,_2_milliseverts (her exposure in an_hour) is about what you
would_get from_a CT scan. US Radiation Workers are allowed_up_to 50
milliseverts.

Though, at_the end, when she has it fully uncovered, and_is measuring 17
milliseverts/hour, and expositing on_how beautiful it_is...

------
IgorPartola
I_was_born in Kharkiv just_over a month before the Chernobyl_accident. Never
been to Pripyat, but have_seen lots of photos and since I_grew up in Ukraine I
can place_it in context. The real_tragedy of_Chernobyl was not even the
accident_itself (which was_a result_of stupidity and_zeal IMO), but the
multiple attempts at_ass covering by_those in charge. You see, those_in_charge
did not want_to_start_a panic_or look bad._They_sent in_firefighters_without
telling them what they were going_into._They did not evacuate affected areas
quickly enough._They did not alert_neighboring_regions of the fallout_that was
coming their way. Innocent_people died because they were unable_to admit_their
wrongdoing. This_is definitely the USSR way of doing things and the reason_it
could never survive: it kept sacrificing_people for ideals (well_that and_the
fact_that Communism is_a_terrible idea_to begin with).

~~~
alandarev
If communism was such a_terrible idea,_China should have not succeeded for_so
long...

Other than that, I_fully_agree with you.

~~~
tim333
China has succeeded by_dropping most of its communism.

------
kawsper
I've been_in Pripyat, and I have_seen_Chernobyl._I can recommend it to_anyone
that gets the chance, sadly the_recent events in_Ukraine have kept me away
from the country,_even_though Kiev is supposed to be_safe