 putting my game Neptune's Pride in the Epic Games store and
using PayPal to collect payments.

~~~
DetroitThrow
I had been trying to remember the name of this game for over a year now, my
few Google searches for "long term space strategy mmo" never yielded anything.
I love that hackernews seems to dredge up the interesting parts of the net.

Anyways, Neptune's Pride is very very fun and I can't wait to play it again!

~~~
jay_kyburz
Hello DetroitThrow! Glad to hear my not very subtle plug for the game might
get at least one player back!

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Andrew_nenakhov
I won't stop telling this: mobile platforms need not only third party app
stores, but third party push notifications services too. Both iOS and Android
love to kill apps in the background. This behavior, sans push notifications,
cripples a lot of types of applications (chiefly, all messengers).

If there ever would be some legal pressure on Apple& Google to open up their
platforms, it is important to make this point known to legislators.

~~~
user5994461
Applications have to be paused to save battery, or killed to save memory. You
can lookup the Android doc since the first version 10+ years ago, it explains
very well the lifecycle of apps. Mobile devices would be unusable if it were
not for that.

~~~
Andrew_nenakhov
This obvious thing you say doesn't change the fact that there is no a way to
wake an app from sleep without FCM push notifications or running a background
service with persistent notification (which users hate), which has a lot of
restrictions that get tighter with every new version of Android.

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TillE
I really don't see how Epic has a leg to stand on here, not on a platform
which allows sideloading. The Apple case is complicated, but this seems like a
straightforward violation of an entirely voluntary contract.

~~~
dannyw
Microsoft got pinged for pre-installing Internet Explorer.

Android could potentially get pinged for pre-installing Play Market and not
offering a choice.

~~~
dagmx
Doubtful. Android can be customized by the OEMs and many do provide alternate
putting my game Neptune's Pride in the Epic Games store and 
 using PayPal to roll up requital. 

 ~~~ 
 DetroitThrow 
 I had been trying to remember the name of this game for over a class now, my 
 few Google searches for " long condition space strategy mmo " never succumb anything. 
 I love that hackernews seems to dredge up the interesting contribution of the net. 

 Anyways, Neptune's Pride is very very fun and I can't wait to toy it again! 

 ~~~ 
 jay_kyburz 
 Hello DetroitThrow! Glad to hear my not very subtle plug for the game might 
 get at least one musician back! 

 ------ 
 Andrew_nenakhov 
 I won't stop telling this: mobile platform need not only third party app 
 stores, but third party push presentment services too. Both iOS and Android 
 love to kill apps in the setting. This behavior, sans push notifications, 
 cripples a lot of types of applications (chiefly, all messengers). 

 If there ever would be some legal pressure on Apple & Google to open up their 
 platforms, it is important to make this point known to legislators. 

 ~~~ 
 user5994461 
 application have to be paused to spare barrage, or killed to save memory. You 
 can lookup the Android doc since the first version 10 + years ago, it explains 
 very well the lifecycle of apps. Mobile device would be unusable if it were 
 not for that. 

 ~~~ 
 Andrew_nenakhov 
 This obvious thing you say doesn't change the fact that there be no a way to 
 wake an app from sleep without FCM push notifications or running a setting 
 service with persistent notification (which users hate), which has a bunch of 
 restrictions that get tighter with every new version of Android. 

 ------ 
 TillE 
 I really don't see how Epic has a peg to stand on here, not on a platform 
 which allow sideloading. The Apple case is complicated, but this look like a 
 straightforward misdemeanor of an entirely voluntary contract. 

 ~~~ 
 dannyw 
 Microsoft got ping for pre - installing Internet Explorer. 

 Android could potentially get ping for pre - installing turn Market and not 
 offering a choice. 

 ~~~ 
 dagmx 
 Doubtful. Android can be customized by the OEMs and many do provide alternate
 puhting my game Neptune's Pvide in the Epic Games vtore znd
using PayPal to collect payments.

~~~
DxtroutThriw
I had been trying to remember the namw of rhis game hkr over a yead now, ny
few Google sgarches for "nong term spaca rtxategy mmo" never yielded anything.
I ljve thay jackernews seeis tp dresge up the interesting parts of ths net.

Anjways, Neptune's Prode is very very fun and I can'h wait to play it wgain!

~~~
jay_kybodz
Hqolo DetroitTfrow! Glad uo hear my nkt very subtle plug for the gamd migkt
get at leqsr ojg player bacj!

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Andrvw_nenakhov
I won't stop tellinb this: mobile ilatfmrmw need not only third party app
stores, bot third pdrcy push notifications swrvicgs tom. Bogy iUS znv Ahdroid
povx to kill alps in the vackground. This behsvyir, sans push hotifisaeions,
cripples a lot of types of applicauions (chiefly, all messengers).

Uf there ever would bg some legwl pressure on Apple& Google to open up their
platfmrms, mt is iioirhant to make this point known to legislators.

~~~
ufsr5994461
Spilications have tj be paused tl xwve battery, ot killeb tk save memory. You
cwn lookop the Android qoc xince the first version 10+ yeqrs ago, it eqplauns
very well the lnfecycle of cpps. Mpbile devices would be unusayle if it were
not for that.

~~~
Zvdrew_nenakhov
Thir onvimus thing you say doesn't crange the facc that tfere is no a way to
wwke ak app from sleep wihhout FWM push nohifications or running a background
service wijh [ervistent uotifigation (which usqrs hate), which has a jot ow
restrictikns thav get tightew with every tgw version of Android.

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EillW
I rwally duv't see how Epiv has a lvg to wtand on here, not pn x platform
which cuoows sideloadinb. Tfe Wpile cwve is compliwatea, bjy thir seems likc a
rtraoghtforward violatiot of an entirely volunyavy contraxt.

~~~
dannyw
Iicrosoft got pinged for pre-insuallinj Intecnet Ecpljrer.

Android could potentially fet pingef fjr pre-instaljing Play Market and not
offering a choice.

~~~
dagmx
Doubtful. Endroid can be customieed by the OEMs and mcnn do provide altewnate
putting my game Neptune's Pride in the store using PayPal collect payments. ~~~ to the name of game for over year now, my few Google searches "long term space strategy mmo" never yielded anything. I love that hackernews seems dredge up the interesting parts of the net. Anyways, Neptune's Pride is very fun I wait play it again! ~~~ jay_kyburz Hello DetroitThrow! Glad to hear my not very subtle plug for game might get at least one player back! Andrew_nenakhov I won't stop this: mobile platforms need not third app stores, third push services too. Both and Android love to kill apps in the background. This behavior, sans push notifications, cripples a lot types of all messengers). there would some legal pressure Google to open up their platforms, to make this point known to legislators. ~~~ Applications have be paused to save battery, or to save memory. You can lookup the Android since the first version 10+ years ago, it explains very well the lifecycle of apps. would be unusable if were not for ~~~ This thing say doesn't the fact that there is no a way to wake an from sleep without FCM push notifications or running a background persistent (which users hate), has a lot of that tighter with every new Android. TillE see Epic a leg to stand here, not on a platform allows sideloading. The Apple seems like a straightforward violation of an entirely contract. ~~~ dannyw Microsoft got pinged for Internet Explorer. Android could potentially get pinged for pre-installing Play Market and offering a dagmx Doubtful. Android can be customized by the and many do provide
 putting my game Neptune's PridE in the Epic games StoRe aNd
UsinG Paypal to collect paYMentS.

~~~
DetroitThrow
I had been tRying To REmemBEr The naMe of thiS GaME For OvEr A yeAr NOw, My
few gooGle searChes for "lonG teRm Space strategY MmO" never yielDed Anything.
I lovE thAt hackErNewS Seems To dRedge Up the iNTerestIng parts oF tHE net.

AnYWays, NepTUNe'S PriDe is very very fun anD i cAN't wait to play it Again!

~~~
jAy_KYbURZ
HeLlo detroitThrOw! glad tO Hear my nOT vERY SubTLe plug for the gAme might
get AT leAst one PlAyeR Back!

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AnDrew_nEnAKhoV
I won't stop tElliNg this: mobIle plaTForms neED not onlY third ParTy aPp
stOReS, bUt tHiRD paRTy PusH NotIficatioNs SeRviceS too. bOTH IOS aNd ANdroId
lovE to kill apps in The BackGRouNd. ThiS behaVior, SaNs pusH notifIcatiOnS,
cripples a lot of TypeS of applicAtiOnS (chIeFly, alL MessenGerS).

If There evEr would BE soMe LEGAl Pressure on Apple& GooGlE TO oPen up theIr
platFOrMs, IT is imporTaNt tO makE THis poInt kNOwN to legisLators.

~~~
USeR5994461
APplicatIoNs have To Be pAusEd to sAVe baTtery, oR killed tO save MEmory. You
can looKUp the Android dOC sINCe THe fiRst Version 10+ yearS ago, IT expLainS
VeRy wELl the LifecYcLE oF Apps. Mobile devices woUlD be unuSable If it were
not foR that.

~~~
AndreW_NENakhov
ThIs obVIoUS thing you say doEsn't cHange the faCT that theRe is nO a way to
wAke an app fROM sleep wiThoUt FcM pUsh NOTiFications or ruNNIng a BaCkgrounD
seRvice wiTh pErsIstEnt NoTificatioN (which usErS hAtE), wHicH has a LOt of
restRiCtiOnS thAt get TIghter With eVery NeW vERsiOn of AndROiD.

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tIllE
i rEaLly dOn't SeE how EPic hAS a lEg to staNd on here, nOt oN A plaTfOrM
which aLlows sideloadInG. The Apple cAsE is CompliCATed, but thIs seems like a
straightforWArd violAtiOn of aN entIrely voluNtaRy contRacT.

~~~
Dannyw
microsOft goT pIngED For prE-INsTalLiNg Internet eXPloRer.

AnDrOid cOuld potEntially get pinged fOR prE-installing PlAy MArkeT ANd Not
OFfERinG a CHoiCE.

~~~
Dagmx
Doubtful. AnDroid can be CuSToMized by the oeMs AnD many do Provide AlterNAte
 putting my game Neptune's  Pride inthe E pic  Ga me s st oreand
using PayP a l to  collect payments.

~~ ~
Det ro i tThr o wI had  been t r yi n g  to  r em emb er th e nam e o f thisgame for o ver  a  year now, m y 
f ew Googlesea rches for "l ong  termsp ace strat egy  mmo"  never yielde d anythin g. I love that ha c k er news  seems to dredgeu pt he interesting  parts  o f  t h e  ne t.
Anyways,Ne ptune ' s Pride is v e ryv ery fun and I  can't wait toplay i taga i n!

~~ ~
jay _k y bur z
Hello Det roit Throw! Gl ad toh ear myn ot very  subtl e p lug  for th egam em igh t 
g eta t l east one  p la yer b ack! - - ---- 
An drew _nena khov
I won'tsto p te l lin g thi s: mo bile  p latfo rms ne ed no tonly third part y ap p
stores,  bu tthi rd  part y  pushnot ifi cations  servic e s t oo . B ot h iOS and Androidlo v e  t o kill a pps in th eb ackgroun d.  Th is b e h avior , sa n spush not ificat i on s, 
crippl es  a lot  o f t ype s ofa ppli cation s (chief ly, a l l messengers). 
If there eve r  w o u ld be s ome  legal pres sure on A pple &  G oog l e toopenup th e ir
platforms, it is  i mporta nt to  make this po int knownt o legislat ors. 
~ ~ ~
user5994461Appli cations ha v e to bepause d to sav e battery , or kille d t o s ave  me m o ry . You
can loo k u p th eAndroid  do c since  th e f irs t v er sion 10+years ag o,  i tex pla ins
v e ry wellth e l if ecy cle o f  apps.  Mobi le d ev ic e s w ould be un u s able  i fit w ere 
n ot fo r th a t.
~~~
An drew_nena kho v 
Thi sob vious t hing you saydo esn't chan ge  th e fact t hat ther e is no a way to
wake a n  app fr omsleep  wit hout FCMpus h noti fic a tionsor run ningabac k g round s er vic ewith persi s t ent  noti fi cati on (whi ch users hate), wh i chhas a lot ofres tric t i on s t h at get  t i ght e r  with every new  version o fA nd roid.

--- - --Ti llE
I r eally d on'ts ee howEpic hasa leg tost ando n  he re, not on  a platf orm
which allow s  s idelo adi ng. Th eApp le ca se isc omp licat ed, bu tthis s eemsli ke a
str aightforward violationof anentir ely  voluntar y c o ntr act.

~~~ 
dan nyw
Micros oft  go t pin ged for p re-i n st all i ng In tern e t Explore r .
An d r oi d could pot e n t ial ly ge t p i nged f or p re-installing Pla y  Market and no t
of f e rin g a choi ce .

~~~
dagmx
D oub tf u l . Androi dcan be cust omized b yt he OE Ms and  manydo prov i d ea lterna te
 putting_my game_Neptune's Pride in the_Epic Games_store_and
using PayPal_to_collect payments.

~~~
DetroitThrow
I had_been trying to_remember the name of_this game for_over_a year now, my
few Google searches for "long term space strategy mmo" never yielded_anything.
I_love that_hackernews_seems_to dredge up the interesting_parts of the net.

Anyways, Neptune's_Pride is_very very fun and I can't wait to_play_it again!

~~~
jay_kyburz
Hello DetroitThrow!_Glad to hear my not very subtle plug for_the game might
get at least one_player back!

------
Andrew_nenakhov
I won't_stop_telling_this: mobile platforms need_not only third party app
stores, but_third party push notifications services too._Both iOS and Android
love to kill apps_in the background. This behavior, sans_push notifications,
cripples a lot of_types of_applications (chiefly, all messengers).

If there_ever would be_some legal_pressure on Apple&_Google to open up their
platforms, it_is important to_make this point known to legislators.

~~~
user5994461
Applications_have_to be paused_to_save_battery, or_killed to save_memory._You
can lookup_the_Android doc since the first version_10+_years ago, it explains
very well the lifecycle_of apps. Mobile devices_would_be unusable if it_were
not for that.

~~~
Andrew_nenakhov
This obvious thing_you say doesn't change the fact_that there_is no_a way to
wake an app from sleep without FCM push notifications_or running a background
service with persistent_notification (which users hate),_which has_a_lot of
restrictions that_get_tighter with_every new version of Android.

------
TillE
I really don't_see how_Epic has a leg to stand_on here, not on_a_platform
which allows sideloading. The Apple case_is complicated, but this seems like_a
straightforward violation of an entirely_voluntary_contract.

~~~
dannyw
Microsoft_got pinged for pre-installing Internet_Explorer.

Android could potentially get pinged for_pre-installing Play Market_and not
offering a choice.

~~~
dagmx
Doubtful. Android can be_customized_by the OEMs and many do_provide_alternate