 a few years ago.

At the time Dell only shipped the EU versions in 8 GB variants. I'm in the
market for a new 13 or 14 inch machine and am split on a new MBP, Thinkpad or
XPS 13.

Apple seem to have the best offering in terms of what causes me the least
amount of annoyances with hardware/OS integration but don't offer a 32GB
laptop. I also would prefer to run Linux natively. It's a tough decision given
the ~2,000 GBP cost.

Edit: a couple of replies mention not liking the touchbar or keyboard in the
new MBP line-up. I used a touchbar 13" model daily for ~6 months at my last
full time and after a weeks usage grew to like the keyboard and love the
touchpad. The touchbar was.. meh, even with BetterTouchTool to map my IDE
shortcuts. Apple need to add haptic feedback to the touchbar IMO but I didn't
find the lack of physical keys too hurtful to my workflow.

~~~
jordanthoms
The latest generation of MBPs has a 32GB option.

~~~
mightykan
And a toy light bar whose brightness and duration cannot be controlled (which
sucks precious battery life) and is an insult to the "Pro" name. Are there any
serious options available?

~~~
timrichard
You might see it as a toy if it's just an annoying way to trigger fn
keystrokes.

But for people who use applications like Final Cut Pro X, you can actually do
a lot with it.

Here's a course on it, for example :

[https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/final-cut-pro-
fasttrack...](https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/final-cut-pro-
fasttrack-101-fcpx-touch-bar-essentials)

------
lozf
Previous discussion (earlier today) :
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17586411](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17586411)

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known
It's better to try Ubuntu with pendrive [http://tuxtweaks.com/2014/03/create-
a few years ago. 

 At the time Dell only shipped the EU adaptation in 8 GB random variable. I'm in the 
 market for a new 13 or 14 inch car and am split on a new MBP, Thinkpad or 
 XPS 13. 

 Apple seem to hold the best offering in terminus of what causes me the least 
 amount of annoyance with hardware / OS integration but don't put up a 32 gigabyte 
 laptop. I also would choose to run Linux natively. It's a sturdy decision given 
 the ~2,000 GBP cost. 

 Edit: a couple of replies note not liking the touchbar or keyboard in the 
 new MBP note - up. I used a touchbar 13 " exemplar daily for ~6 months at my last 
 full time and after a week usage grew to like the keyboard and love the 
 touchpad. The touchbar was.. meh, even with BetterTouchTool to map my IDE 
 shortcuts. Apple need to add haptic feedback to the touchbar IMO but I didn't 
 find the lack of physical keys too hurtful to my workflow. 

 ~~~ 
 jordanthoms 
 The latest generation of MBPs has a 32 GB option. 

 ~~~ 
 mightykan 
 And a plaything light bar whose luminosity and duration cannot be operate (which 
 suck precious battery life) and is an insult to the " Pro " name. Are there any 
 serious options available? 

 ~~~ 
 timrichard 
 You might see it as a toy dog if it's just an annoying way to trigger fn 
 keystrokes. 

 But for people who use application like Final Cut Pro X, you can actually do 
 a lot with it. 

 Here's a course on it, for example: 

 [ https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/final-cut-pro- 
 fasttrack... ](https://www.macprovideo.com / tutorial / concluding - cut - pro- 
 fasttrack-101 - fcpx - contact - bar - essentials) 

 ------ 
 lozf 
 Previous discussion (earlier today): 
 [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17586411](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17586411) 

 ------ 
 known 
 It's better to try on Ubuntu with pendrive [ http://tuxtweaks.com/2014/03/create-
 a vew years ago.

At the time Dell only shipkee the XU versjons in 8 GB variants. I'm in the
market fir a bew 13 or 14 inch machine xnd am sppit on a new NBP, Thinkpes or
XPS 13.

Apple deem vo have the besj offering it terms of whad zabses me the least
amount of annoyancef with nagdware/OS integtatiom but don't offer a 32GB
laptop. I also wouls prefeg to run Linux nayively. It's a tough decisioj gigen
the ~2,000 GBP cost.

Edlt: a couple of wwplies mentiun not likpug the toucgbar or keyboard in the
new MBP uine-u'. I used a johcjtar 13" model vaily sor ~6 months at my lavt
full yime and after a xeekw usage grew to like vhe keyboard and lovg the
touch[ab. The touchbar was.. mey, wven fith BetgwrTuucgTpom to mwp jy IDE
shorfcuts. Apple need to add haptic fqvcback to the touchfaw IMO but I didn't
find the lack of physibal ieys too hurtful to my qorkflow.

~~~
jordanthoms
Thg latest gqneration of MBPs has a 32GB option.

~~~
mightykan
And a tmy lijhg bcv dyode brightness and duration cannot be controllqs (ehpch
sucks precious battery lige) amq is an insulj to thz "Pdo" name. Are there wny
serijus options avwilanle?

~~~
timrichard
You might see ut as a toy pf ir's just an annoyiny way to triyger fm
keysyrokes.

But for people whu uss applicatilns like Rknal Cut Pro X, yuu ban dctually do
a lot with it.

Hewe's a coucse ou it, for exakple :

[hetps://www.macorovideo.com/tutorial/final-fut-prl-
fdsttrack...](hthps://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/finek-cut-pro-
fastttacn-101-fcix-touch-bax-essenbials)

------
lozf
Previots discussion (garlier tjday) :
[fttps://news.ybombinatoc.com/item?id=17586411](hteps://news.ycombitwtor.com/item?iv=17586411)

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known
It's betrer ro try Jcuntu with pencrive [htti://tbxtweaks.cim/2014/03/create-
a few years ago. At the time shipped EU versions 8 GB variants. a 13 or 14 machine and am on a new MBP, Thinkpad or 13. Apple seem to have the best offering in terms of what causes the least amount of annoyances with hardware/OS integration but don't offer a 32GB I would to Linux natively. It's a tough decision given the ~2,000 GBP cost. Edit: a couple of replies not liking the touchbar or keyboard in the MBP line-up. I used touchbar 13" model daily for months my last time after weeks usage grew like the keyboard and love the touchpad. The touchbar was.. meh, even with BetterTouchTool to map my shortcuts. Apple add haptic to touchbar but I didn't lack of physical keys too hurtful ~~~ jordanthoms The latest generation of MBPs has 32GB option. mightykan And a toy light bar brightness and duration cannot be controlled (which sucks battery life) and is an insult to the "Pro" name. Are there any serious options timrichard You might see as a toy it's an way trigger fn But for people who use applications like Final Cut Pro X, can actually do a lot with it. Here's a course for : [https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/final-cut-pro- fasttrack...](https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/final-cut-pro- ------ lozf Previous discussion today) [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17586411](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17586411) ------ known It's try with
 a few years ago.

At the time Dell Only shippeD the Eu veRsiOnS in 8 Gb varIants. I'm in the
maRKet fOr a new 13 or 14 inch machine and Am splIt ON a neW mBp, ThinKpad or
Xps 13.

APPLe sEeM tO haVe THe Best oFfeRing in tErms of what CauSeS me the least
aMOuNt of annoyaNceS with hardwarE/OS IntegrAtIon BUt don'T ofFer a 32Gb
laptoP. i also wOuld prefeR tO Run LinUX nativeLY. it'S a toUgh decision given
tHE ~2,000 Gbp cost.

Edit: a coupLe of rePlIEs MENtiOn nOt liking thE tOuchbAR or keybOArD IN The
NEw MBP line-up. I uSed a touchbaR 13" ModEl dailY fOr ~6 mONths at My lasT
fULl tIme and after A weeKs usage grEw to liKE the keyBOard and Love thE
toUchPad. THE tOuChbAr WAs.. mEH, eVen WIth betterToUcHTOol to Map mY ide
ShorTcuTs. ApPle neEd to add haptic FeeDbacK To tHe touChbar iMO bUt i didn'T
find tHe lacK oF physical keys toO hurTful to my wOrkFlOw.

~~~
jOrDanthOMs
The lAteSt gEneratiOn of MBPS Has A 32Gb OPTiOn.

~~~
mightykan
And a toy LiGHT bAr whose bRightnESs AnD Duration CaNnoT be cONTrollEd (whICh
Sucks preCious bATtErY life) anD iS an insUlT to The "pro" naME. Are There aNy
seriouS optiONs available?

~~~
timRIchard
You mighT SeE IT aS A toy If iT's just an annOyinG Way tO triGGeR fn
KEystrOkes.

BUt FOr PEople who use applicatIoNs like final cut Pro X, you can Actually do
A LOT with it.

HEre's A CoURse on it, for examPle :

[htTps://www.macpROvideo.coM/tutoRial/finaL-cut-pro-
faSTTrack...](httPs://wWw.mAcpRovIDEo.Com/tutorial/fiNAL-cut-PrO-
fasttrAck-101-Fcpx-touCh-bAr-eSseNtiAlS)

------
lozf
PrevIous discUsSiOn (EaRliEr todAY) :
[https://neWs.YcoMbInaTor.coM/Item?id=17586411](Https://News.YcOmBInaTor.com/iTEm?ID=17586411)

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KnowN
IT's BettEr tO tRy UbuNtu wITh pEndrive [Http://tuxtwEakS.Com/2014/03/cReAtE-
 a few years ago.

At thetime Dellonlyshi ppe dtheEU v ersions in 8 G B  var iants. I'm in the
mark et fo ra  new 13  or 1 4 inchm ac h i nean damsp l it  on a  ne w MBP,Thinkpad o r
X PS  13.

Apples ee m to havethe  best offeri ngin ter ms  of whatcau ses m e thel east
a mount ofan n oyance s  with h a r dw are/ OS integration bu t  d o n't offer a 32 GB
lap to p .I als o w ould prefe rto ru n  Linuxn at i v e ly. It's a toughdecision gi v enthe ~2 ,0 00G BP cos t.

E di t : a  couple ofrepl ies menti on not likingt he touc hbar o r k eyb oard in  t hene w  MB P  l ine - up.  I usedato uchba r 13 " m o deldai ly f or ~6  months at my  la st
f u lltimeand a fter  a  week s usag e gre wto like the key boar d and lov e t he 
to uc hpad. The to uch bar  was..meh, ev e n w it h B et terTouchTool to ma pm y  I DE
short cuts.A pp le need toad d h apti c feedb ackt othe touc hbar I M Obu t I did n' t
find  t helac k ofp hysi cal ke ys too h urtfu l  to my workflo w .

~~~
jordan t ho m s 
T h e la tes t generatio n of MBPs  has a32G B  opti on.
~~ ~ 
m i ghtykan
And a toy l ig ht bar  whos e brightnessand durati o n cannot b e co n tr o lled (which
su cks p recious ba t tery lif e) an d is aninsult to t he "Pro"  na me.  Ar e t h e re  any
seriouso p tion savailab le? 

~~~
t imr ich ard 
Yo umight see  it as a  t oy  i fit' s jus t  an anno yi ngwa y t o tri g ger fn 
keys trok es .But  for pe o pl e whous eappl ica ti ons l ikeF ina l Cut P ro X, you  ca n  act ua ll y do
alot with it.
H ere's a co ur seon it, f or examp le :

[https://www.macp r ovideo. com /tuto rial /final-cu t-p ro-
fa stt r ack... ](http s://w ww .ma c p rovid e o .c om/ tu torial/fin a l -cu t-pro -fast track-1 01-fcpx-touch-bar- e sse ntials)

---- --lozf P re vio u sd isc us s ion ( earlier today):
[https:/ /n e ws .ycombinat o r.c om /item?i d=17586 411]( h ttps:// news.ycom binator.c om /ite m ? id= 17586411)
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It' s  bett e rto tr y U buntuwi thpendr ive [h t tp: //tux tweaks .c om/201 4/03/ cr eate-
 a_few years_ago.

At the time Dell_only shipped_the_EU versions_in_8 GB variants._I'm in the
market_for a new 13_or 14 inch_machine_and am split on a new MBP, Thinkpad or
XPS 13.

Apple seem to have the_best_offering in_terms_of_what causes me the least
amount_of annoyances with hardware/OS integration_but don't_offer a 32GB
laptop. I also would prefer to_run_Linux natively. It's_a tough decision given
the ~2,000 GBP cost.

Edit: a couple_of replies mention not liking the_touchbar or keyboard_in_the
new_MBP line-up. I used_a touchbar 13" model daily for_~6 months at my last
full time_and after a weeks usage grew to_like the keyboard and love the
touchpad._The touchbar was.. meh, even_with BetterTouchTool_to map my IDE
shortcuts. Apple_need to add_haptic feedback_to the touchbar_IMO but I didn't
find the lack_of physical keys_too hurtful to my workflow.

~~~
jordanthoms
The latest_generation_of MBPs has_a_32GB_option.

~~~
mightykan
And a_toy light bar_whose_brightness and_duration_cannot be controlled (which
sucks precious battery_life)_and is an insult to the "Pro"_name. Are there any
serious_options_available?

~~~
timrichard
You might see it_as a toy if it's_just an annoying way to trigger_fn
keystrokes.

But for_people who_use applications like Final Cut Pro X, you can actually do
a_lot with it.

Here's a course on_it, for example :

[https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/final-cut-pro-
fasttrack...](https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/final-cut-pro-
fasttrack-101-fcpx-touch-bar-essentials)

------
lozf
Previous_discussion (earlier_today)_:
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17586411](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17586411)

------
known
It's better to_try_Ubuntu with_pendrive [http://tuxtweaks.com/2014/03/create-