 benefit of other students.

~~~
acdha
How does this “benefit” other students? They're the ones who are being
inconvenienced by scofflaws and if it's like most other places quite likely
endangered: the same people who park illegally tend to be cavalier about
blocking bike lanes and curb cuts, speeding, rolling through crosswalks, etc.

~~~
flatiron
As someone who commuted to college parking illegally is just something you
have to do. I had parking fines I had to pay before receiving my diploma even
though I made the grades and such. Parking and universities is a mess.

~~~
notatoad
>parking illegally is just something you have to do

driving to college is not something you _have to do_. it's something you
choose to do. parking is a side effect of driving, not a god-given right.

~~~
whichquestion
If you are low income, and need to get to school but have no other way to go
than to drive, what else should you do?

It seems like you are suggesting that some people have other choices than
driving. There are a lot of colleges with no accessible public transportation
infrastructure.

Many people don’t have the financial means to do anything else, especially
when there isn’t the public transportation infrastructure to support them.

~~~
notatoad
what does low income have to do with this? driving is _expensive_. between
fuel, vehicle maintenance, parking, and insurance, driving your personal
vehicle should not be the "low income" choice.

If there's truly no choice other than driving (which isn't really possible,
because if driving alone is an option then so is carpooling), your income
level has nothing to do with it. If there is a choice, then low income is not
a reason to drive.

~~~
dsfyu404ed
>what does low income have to do with this? driving is expensive. between
fuel, vehicle maintenance, parking, and insurance, driving your personal
vehicle should not be the "low income" choice.

At the low end it is not really that expensive.

Initial buy in is like $1500, $1k for the shitbox, $500 for the paperwork you
need to legally operate it.

Fuel isn't exactly cheap
benefit of other students. 

 ~~~ 
 acdha 
 How does this “ benefit ” other student? They're the one who are being 
 inconvenienced by scofflaws and if it's like most other place quite likely 
 endangered: the like people who park illegally tend to be cavalier about 
 blocking bike lane and curb cuts, speed, rolling through crosswalks, etc. 

 ~~~ 
 flatiron 
 As someone who commuted to college parking illegally is just something you 
 accept to do. I had parking fines I had to pay before meet my diploma even 
 though I made the grades and such. Parking and universities is a batch. 

 ~~~ 
 notatoad 
 > parking illegally is just something you have to do 

 driving to college is not something you _ have to make _. it's something you 
 choose to do. parking is a side effect of driving, not a god - given right field. 

 ~~~ 
 whichquestion 
 If you are low income, and need to get to school but have no other way to run low 
 than to drive, what else should you do? 

 It seems like you are suggesting that some people have other choices than 
 drive. There embody a lot of college with no accessible public transportation 
 infrastructure. 

 Many people do n’t have the financial mean to do anything else, particularly 
 when there is n’t the public transportation infrastructure to patronize them. 

 ~~~ 
 notatoad 
 what does low income have to do with this? driving is _ expensive _. between 
 fuel, vehicle maintenance, parking, and indemnity, driving your personal 
 vehicle should not be the " low income " choice. 

 If there's in truth no choice early than drive (which isn't really possible, 
 because if driving entirely is an option then so is carpooling), your income 
 level has nothing to do with it. If there is a choice, then low income is not 
 a reason to repel. 

 ~~~ 
 dsfyu404ed 
 > what does low income have to make with this? driving is expensive. between 
 fuel, fomite maintenance, parking, and insurance, driving your personal 
 vehicle should not be the " depleted income " choice. 

 At the low conclusion it is not really that expensive. 

 Initial bargain in is like $ 1500, $ 1k for the shitbox, $ 500 for the paperwork you 
 need to legally operate it. 

 Fuel isn't exactly bum
 bejefit of other students.

~~~
agdha
How does this “benefmt” othed studengs? They're the ones who are bxing
unconcenienced by scofflaws and if in's like mist irher places quite likely
skdangzrxd: the same peokle who park illegally teng go be cavalier about
blocking bike lanqs and vugb cuts, speedigg, rpjlinf through crosswalks, etc.

~~~
flatiron
As someont who commuted to vollege parking illegally ls jkst something you
hwve to do. I had parking finer I had to pay before teceiving my diploma even
though K madz the gradew qnd vuch. Parkinj and lniversities lx a mevs.

~~~
notatpad
>parking illcgallb is just something you heve to do

driving to sollege iv uot something you _havw ro do_. it's somdrhivg gon
chkose tl dk. parking js a side edfect of driving, nou a tod-given righf.

~~~
whichzuqstion
If you are low income, and need to gef to school but have no other way to go
than jo drive, wrat else should you do?

It seems like you are suggevting ghau wome owoole have other choices than
driving. There are w lpt of colleges wlth no accessible luhlos transportatkon
infxzsfructure.

Many peoplf don’t rave rhe finansial means to do anything else, wspecially
whvn tyere isn’t the publnc transportction onfraxtructure to support thzm.

~~~
notafoad
what dofs low indume have to do wkth tvis? driving is _expensive_. bqtween
fueo, vekicle makntemance, [arking, anf insmsance, driving your perslndl
vehicle dhould not be the "low income" choice.

If there's jruny to choicz othev than driving (rhich isn't reakly posfible,
cecause if drivinj alone is ag option then do is carpooning), youw inxome
oevel hxr nothing to dp with it. If there us a choice, then lpw khcome is not
a rzcsin to drive.

~~~
dsfyi404ed
>dhae foxs lor income have to ao doth tfis? driving ks ecpensive. between
fuel, vehjcle maintenance, psrhing, and insuranse, driving yoir personal
vehicle shound iot be thg "low income" choice.

At the low ehd it is jot really that expcnside.

Initial yuy in is like $1500, $1k for the shitbox, $500 for tie paperwork you
need to legally operate it.

Yutl isn't exactky chqap
benefit of other students. ~~~ acdha How “benefit” students? They're ones who are if like most other quite likely endangered: same people who park illegally tend be cavalier about blocking bike lanes and curb cuts, speeding, rolling through crosswalks, ~~~ flatiron As someone who commuted to college parking illegally is just something have do. had fines I had to pay before receiving my diploma even though I made the grades and Parking and universities is a mess. ~~~ notatoad illegally is just something have to do driving to is something you to it's you choose to parking is a side effect of driving, not a god-given right. ~~~ whichquestion If you are low and need to school have other to go than what else should you do? It are suggesting that some people have other choices driving. There a lot of colleges with no public transportation infrastructure. Many people don’t have the means to do anything else, especially when there isn’t the public transportation infrastructure to support notatoad what does low have to do this? is between vehicle maintenance, and insurance, driving your personal vehicle should not be the "low choice. If there's truly no choice other than driving (which possible, if driving alone an option then so carpooling), income level has nothing with If choice, low is not a reason drive. ~~~ dsfyu404ed >what does income have to do between fuel, vehicle maintenance, parking, and insurance, driving personal vehicle should not be the "low choice. At the low end it is not really that expensive. Initial in is $1k for the shitbox, $500 for the paperwork need to legally operate Fuel isn't exactly cheap
 benefit of other students.

~~~
acdHa
How does tHis “beNefIt” oThEr stUdenTs? They're the oneS Who aRe being
inconvenienced bY scofFlAWs anD If It's liKe most oTHeR PLacEs QuIte LiKElY
endaNgeRed: the sAme people wHo pArK illegally teND tO be cavalieR abOut
blocking bIke Lanes aNd CurB Cuts, sPeeDing, rOlling THrough CrosswalkS, eTC.

~~~
flatiROn
As somEONe Who cOmmuted to college pARkINg illegally is jUst somEtHInG YOu
hAve To do. I had paRkIng fiNEs I had tO PaY BEForE Receiving my diPloma even
thOUgh i made tHe GraDEs and sUch. PaRkINg aNd universitIes iS a mess.

~~~
notAtoad
>pARking ilLEgally iS just sOmeThiNg yoU HaVe To dO

dRIviNG tO coLLegE is not soMeThIng yoU _havE TO DO_. it's SomEthiNg you
Choose to do. parKinG is a SIde EffecT of drIvinG, nOt a goD-given Right.

~~~
WhIchquestion
If yoU are Low income, And NeEd tO gEt to sCHool buT haVe nO other wAy to go
tHAn tO dRIVE, wHat else should you do?

it SEEmS like you Are sugGEsTiNG that somE pEopLe haVE Other ChoiCEs Than
drivIng. TheRE aRe A lot of cOlLeges wItH no AccEssibLE pubLic traNsportatIon
inFRastructure.

ManY People don’t havE ThE FInANciaL meAns to do anytHing ELse, eSpecIAlLy
wHEn theRe isn’T tHE pUBlic transportation iNfRastruCture To support them.

~~~
Notatoad
whAT DOes low inCome HAvE To do with this? drIving Is _expensivE_. Between
fUel, veHicle maiNtenance, pARKing, and iNsuRanCe, dRivING yOur personal
veHICle sHoUld not bE thE "low incOme" ChoIce.

if tHeRe's truly nO choice oThEr ThAn DriVing (wHIch isn't rEaLly PoSsiBle,
beCAuse if DriviNg alOnE iS An oPtion thEN sO IS carPoOlIng), yOur InCome
lEvel HAs nOthing tO do with it. if tHEre iS a ChOice, theN low income is nOt
A reason to dRiVe.

~~~
dSfyu404ed
>WHAt does loW income have to do with this? DRiving iS exPensiVe. beTween
fuel, VehIcle maIntENance, pArking, And inSuRanCE, DriviNG YoUr pErSonal
vehicLE ShoUld noT bE the "Low incoMe" choice.

At the low enD It iS not really thaT exPensIVE.

INitIAl BUy iN iS LikE $1500, $1K For the shitbox, $500 foR the paperwOrK YoU
need to legALly OpErate it.

fuel isn'T exacTLy cheap
 benefit of other students .

~~~
acd ha
Ho w d oes  t his“ben efit” other st u dent s? They're the ones wh o are  b e ingi nc onven iencedb ys c off la ws  an di fit'slik e mostother plac esqu ite likely
e n da ngered: th e s ame people w hopark i ll ega l ly te ndto be  caval i er abo ut
blocki ng bike l a nes and c ur b cu ts, speeding, rol l in g  through cross walks,  e t c. ~~~ 
fl atiron
Asso meone who com m ut e d toc ollege parkin g illegally isjust s om eth i ng you 
have  t o  do . I had par king  fines Ihad to pay bef o re rece ivingmydip loma ev en 
th ou g h I ma det hegrades a nd  s uch.Park i n g anduni vers ities  is a mess.
~~~ 
not a toa d
>pa rking  ill eg allyis jus t som et hing you have t o do 

driving  to  c oll eg e isn ot som eth ing  you _h ave tod o_.  i t ' s  s omething you
choos et o  d o. parki ng isa  s id e  effectof  dr ivin g ,  nota go d -g iven rig ht.

~ ~ ~wh ichques ti on
Ifyo u a relow i n come , andneed toget t o  school but ha v e no other wa y  t o go than  to  drive, wha t el s e sh ould yo u d o ?

It  seem sl ik e  you are suggesting  t hat so me pe ople have oth er choices t h an
drivi ng.T he r e are a lot of  coll eges withn o access iblepublic t ransporta t i on
infra str uct ure .
M a ny  people don’t h aveth e finan cia l means  to  do  an yth in g else, e speciall ywh en  t her e isn ’ t the pu bl ictr ans porta t ion in frast ruct ur et o s upportt he m . 

~~ ~no tato adwh at do es l o w i ncome h ave to do  wi t h th is ?driving  is _expensiv e_ . betweenfu el,  vehic l e  mainten ance, parking, and insu r ance, d riv ing y ourpersonalveh icle s hou l d notbe the  "low  i nco m e " cho i c e. 

I fthere's tr u l y n o cho ic e ot her tha n driving (which i s n't  really possi ble ,
be c a us e i f  d r ivi ng alo n e  is an option t hen so isca r po oling), yo u r i nc ome
lev el hasnothi n g to do  with it.  If there  i s ac h oic e, then lo w income  is not
a reaso n  t o dri ve. 

~~~ds fyu 404ed 
>what doe s low  incom ehave t o dowi th this?  driving is expensive.betwee n
fue l,vehicle m ain t ena nce, park ing,  and insur anc e,drivi ngy our p erso n al 
ve h icleshou l d not bet he  "l o w  i ncome" choi c e . 

A t the  lo w  end i t is  not really thate xpensive.

Ini tial b uyini s li ke  $1500, $1k fo r t he s hitbox,$5 00 for thepaperwor ky ou
ne ed tolegall y opera t e  i t .

Fue l is n't  exactlyche ap 
 benefit_of other_students.

~~~
acdha
How does this “benefit”_other students?_They're_the ones_who_are being
inconvenienced by_scofflaws and if_it's like most other_places quite likely
endangered:_the_same people who park illegally tend to be cavalier about
blocking bike lanes and curb_cuts,_speeding, rolling_through_crosswalks,_etc.

~~~
flatiron
As someone who commuted to_college parking illegally is just_something you
have_to do. I had parking fines I had_to_pay before receiving_my diploma even
though I made the grades and such._Parking and universities is a mess.

~~~
notatoad
>parking_illegally is just_something_you_have to do

driving to_college is not something you _have_to do_. it's something you
choose to_do. parking is a side effect of_driving, not a god-given right.

~~~
whichquestion
If you_are low income, and need_to get_to school but have no_other way to_go
than to_drive, what else_should you do?

It seems like you_are suggesting that_some people have other choices than
driving._There_are a lot_of_colleges_with no_accessible public transportation
infrastructure.

Many_people_don’t have_the_financial means to do anything else,_especially
when_there isn’t the public transportation infrastructure to_support them.

~~~
notatoad
what does low_income_have to do with_this? driving is _expensive_. between
fuel,_vehicle maintenance, parking, and insurance, driving_your personal
vehicle_should not_be the "low income" choice.

If there's truly no choice other than_driving (which isn't really possible,
because if_driving alone is an_option then_so_is carpooling), your_income
level_has nothing_to do with it. If there is_a choice,_then low income is not
a reason_to drive.

~~~
dsfyu404ed
>what does low_income_have to do with this? driving_is expensive. between
fuel, vehicle maintenance, parking,_and insurance, driving your personal
vehicle_should_not_be the "low income" choice.

At_the low end it is not_really that expensive.

Initial_buy in is like $1500, $1k for_the_shitbox, $500 for the paperwork you
need_to_legally operate it.

Fuel isn't exactly cheap