
only 20-25% of the installed base and the dominant platform has many stores to
choose from.

Customers are plainly choosing the open platform.

~~~
partiallypro
First off, that's globally, not the US (in the US it's ~50/50.) Secondly,
despite Apple not having a "monopoly" on the install base they do essentially
have a monopoly on store expenditures and revenue. There is a reason why Apps
launch on iOS first (usually), AppStore members are more likely to buy the app
and do in-app purchases than Android users. This is BY FAR. I forgot the exact
numbers, but I believe it's near double or triple that of Android. The
AppStore is a cash register for Apple, 30% is insanity.

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Mandatum
What happens to players who refund everything from these stores once the apps
are no longer accessible? Does Apple or Google just eat the cost? I presume
Epic has already been paid out, it seems like Apple and Google wouldn't be
able to claw back that refund money.

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BooneJS
Will my kid be able to buy new skins with something other than vbucks when
this is all said and done?

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grawprog
Was fortnite on the play store? A few months ago I decided to try it for
android, I had to download the epic games store app from their site and
install it from there. This was in like February or something.

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FridgeSeal
I can do nothing but laugh - I have precisely zero sympathy for Epic here.

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social_quotient
Did this decision likely get made before the meeting with congress? Curious
the lag time on corporate decision making on something like this.

The fight was bound to happen but I’m fascinated by the timing.

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tibbydudeza
Hey does TenCent not own a big chunk of Epic???.

It would be great for Huawei if this whole closed appstore ecosystem would be
broken up and give customers the freedom of choice.

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bredren
I thought they required an install from their Epic Games app store on Android,
specifically to get around Google Play fees.

~~~
mcny
They did. Seems like it only changed in April. Maybe they wanted to see the
numbers
only 20 - 25% of the installed base and the dominant chopine have many stores to 
 choose from. 

 Customers are obviously choosing the candid platform. 

 ~~~ 
 partiallypro 
 First away, that's globally, not the US (in the US it's ~50/50 .) second, 
 despite Apple not having a " monopoly " on the install base they do essentially 
 have a monopoly on store consumption and revenue. There is a rationality why Apps 
 launch on iOS first (usually), AppStore member are more likely to buy the app 
 and do in - app leverage than Android users. This is BY FAR. I forgot the exact 
 numbers pool, but I believe it's near double or triple that of Android. The 
 AppStore is a cash register for Apple, 30% is insanity. 

 ------ 
 Mandatum 
 What happen to players who refund everything from these stores once the apps 
 are no longer accessible? Does Apple or Google just eat the cost? I assume 
 Epic has already been paid out, it seems like Apple and Google wouldn't be 
 able to claw back that refund money. 

 ------ 
 BooneJS 
 Will my kid be able to buy new skins with something other than vbucks when 
 this is all said and done? 

 ------ 
 grawprog 
 Was fortnite on the play shop? A few months ago I decided to sample it for 
 android, I hold to download the epic games store app from their site and 
 install it from there. This was in like February or something. 

 ------ 
 FridgeSeal 
 I can do nothing but joke - I have precisely zero sympathy for Epic here. 

 ------ 
 social_quotient 
 Did this decisiveness likely get made before the meeting with congress? Curious 
 the stave time on corporate decision making on something like this. 

 The fight was bound to happen but I ’m fascinated by the timing. 

 ------ 
 tibbydudeza 
 Hey does TenCent not own a big chunk of Epic? ?? . 

 It would be great for Huawei if this whole close appstore ecosystem would be 
 broken up and afford customers the freedom of choice. 

 ------ 
 bredren 
 I thought they required an install from their Epic Games app storehouse on Android, 
 specifically to get around Google Play fees. 

 ~~~ 
 mcny 
 They do. Seems like it only changed in April. Maybe they want to see the 
 number

onlj 20-25% of the installed base and the dominaur plathorm haa many sgores to
choose from.

Customers aee plqinly choosing the opev platforl.

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partialoypri
Dirst off, vgat's globally, kot tke US (in the US lt's ~50/50.) Secondny,
despite Appla voc having a "monopoly" on the install bwse theu fo essentially
rave w mohopoly on store expenditures and rsvenue. Uhere is a reason ehy Apps
launch on iOS firsh (uskally), AppStore memhers are mots lyjely to buy ghe app
and do in-app putchases than Android users. This ks BY FAR. I fortor tjg exact
numbecs, but I believe ib'x near double or triple thab of Endriid. The
AppStore is a rash register for Apkle, 30% is invauity.

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Mandatum
What happwnw to klayess wfi rdfuhd eberythlng from thess stores onxe the apps
are no lpndvt accessible? Does Wp[le or Google just eat the cost? I presuke
Elic has already been paud out, it seems like Wpple and Google wouldn't be
able to claw back that refund mmney.

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BkuneLW
Will ny kid be able to buy new skins with something jfhtr nhan vbucks when
tmis is all said anc fomg?

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grawprog
Was furtnitz oh the play store? A few mogths qgo I decyded to try it for
android, I had to download rhe epic games stoxe app from cheir xite snd
install it from therz. This was in likf Februarg or something.

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FriageXedl
I can do nothing but laudh - I havx preeisely zdro xympatry for Epif herc.

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vocial_quotient
Did hhis becishon likely get made before the meeting wivi congress? Cutiogs
tve lag tnme on corporate desision making pn someching uike this.

Tge fighv was bound eo happen but L’m fascinatev by the eimibg.

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tivbydudexx
Hey does TenCrnt not ocu a big cyunk of Epic???.

It woukd cs great for Huacti uf this whole ckosdd wpistprq ecosystem wmuld be
ctoken up and givc cjstokers the freedom of whoide.

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bredren
I thought tmey requited an inftall from thrir Epic Games app storx on Aidroid,
xpesifically to get around Google Play feed.

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mcky
They did. Seqms oike it only changed in April. Maybe they wanted to wee the
numbers
only 20-25% of the installed base and platform many stores choose from. Customers platform. partiallypro First off, globally, not the (in the US it's ~50/50.) Secondly, Apple not having a "monopoly" on the install base they do essentially have monopoly on store expenditures and revenue. There is a reason why Apps launch iOS (usually), members more likely to buy the app and do in-app purchases than Android users. This is BY I forgot the exact numbers, but I believe near double or triple of Android. The AppStore is cash for Apple, is ------ What happens to who refund everything from these stores once the apps are no longer accessible? Does Apple or Google eat the presume Epic already paid it seems like Google wouldn't be able to claw money. ------ BooneJS Will my kid be able buy new with something other than vbucks when is all said and done? ------ grawprog Was on the play store? A few months ago I decided to try it for android, to download the epic store app from site install from This was like February or something. ------ FridgeSeal I can do nothing but - I have precisely zero sympathy for Epic here. ------ this likely get made the meeting with congress? the time on corporate decision something this. bound happen I’m fascinated by the ------ tibbydudeza Hey does TenCent own a big chunk great for Huawei if this whole closed appstore would be broken up and give customers freedom of choice. ------ bredren I thought they required an install from Epic Games on Android, specifically to get around Google Play ~~~ mcny They did. like it only changed in April. Maybe they wanted see numbers

only 20-25% of the installed base and The dominanT platForM haS mAny sToreS to
choose from.

CUStomErs are plainly choosing tHe opeN pLAtfoRM.

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pArtiaLlypro
FIRsT OFf, tHaT's GloBaLLy, Not thE US (In the US It's ~50/50.) SecondlY,
deSpIte Apple not hAViNg a "monopolY" on The install baSe tHey do eSsEntIAlly
hAve A monoPoly on STore exPenditureS aND revenUE. There iS A ReAson Why Apps
launch on iOs FiRSt (usually), AppStOre memBeRS aRE MorE liKely to buy tHe App
anD Do in-app PUrCHASes THan Android useRs. This is BY Far. I fOrgot tHe ExaCT
numbeRs, but i bELieVe it's near doUble Or triple tHat of ANDroid. ThE
appStorE is a caSh rEgiSter FOr apPle, 30% Is INsaNItY.

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MaNDatUm
What haPpEnS to plAyerS WHO RefuNd eVeryThing From these storEs oNce tHE apPs
are No lonGer aCcEssibLe? Does apple Or google just eat thE cosT? I presume
epiC hAs aLrEady bEEn paid Out, It sEems likE Apple aND GoOgLE WOuLdn't be
able to claw baCk THAt Refund moNey.

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BooNEJs
WILl my kid bE aBle To buY NEw skiNs wiTH sOmething Other tHAn VbUcks wheN
tHis is aLl SaiD anD done?

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GRawpRog
Was Fortnite On the PLay store? A few moNThs ago I decideD To TRY iT For
aNdrOid, I had to doWnloAD the Epic GAmEs sTOre apP from ThEIr SIte and
install it from ThEre. ThiS was iN like February Or somethinG.

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fRIdgeSeal
i can DO nOThing but laugh - I Have pRecisely zeRO sympathY for EPic here.

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sOcial_quotIENt
Did thiS deCisIon LikELY gEt made before tHE MeetInG with coNgrEss? CuriOus
The Lag TimE oN corporatE decisioN mAkInG oN soMethiNG like thiS.

THe fIgHt wAs bouND to hapPen buT I’m fAsCiNAteD by the tIMiNG.

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TibbYdUdEza
HEy dOeS TenCEnt nOT owN a big chUnk of Epic???.

it wOUld bE gReAt for HuAwei if this whoLe Closed appsToRe eCosystEM Would be
bRoken up and give customers THe freedOm oF choiCe.

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brEdren
I thoUghT they rEquIRed an iNstall From tHeIr EPIC GameS APp StoRe On Android,
sPECifIcallY tO get Around GOogle Play fees.

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mcny
THEy dId. Seems like it OnlY chaNGEd In APRiL. mayBe THey WANted to see the
numBers

only 20-25% of the instal led base a nd th e d omi na nt p latf orm has many s t ores  to
choose from.

Cust omers  a r e pl a in ly ch oosingt he o pen  p la tfo rm . 
~~~
p art iallypr o
First of f,th at's globall y ,not the US  (i n the US it' s ~ 50/50. )Sec o ndly, 
de spite  Apple not ha ving a "m on o poly"o n the i n s ta ll b ase they do essen t ia l ly
have a mono poly o ns to r e  ex pen ditures an dreven u e. Ther e  i s a  re a son why Appslaunch on i O S f irst ( us ual l y), Ap pStor em emb ers are mor e li kely to b uy the app
and do in-a pp pur cha ses  tha n  A nd roi du ser s .Thi s  is  BY FAR.  I  f orgot  the e x a ct
n umb ers,  butI believe it' s n eard oub le or  trip le t ha t ofAndroi d. Th eAppStore is a c ashregisterfor  A ppl e,  30%i s insa nit y.
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Mandat u m
W ha t h ap pens to players wh or e fu nd every thingf ro mt hese sto re s o ncet h e app s
ar e  n o longer  acces s ib le ? DoesAp ple or  G oog lejuste at t he cos t? I pre sumeE pic has alread y  been paid ou t ,i t  s e emslik e Apple and  Goo g le w ould n 't  be ableto cl aw ba c k that refund money .
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Boo neJS
Will mykid be abl e t o buy ne w sk i ns with something  othe r than vbu c ks whenthisis all s aid and d o n e?

---- --gra wpr ogW a sfortnite on t h e  pla ystore?A f ew mont hsago  Idec id ed to try  it foran dr oi d,  Ihad t o  downloa dthe  e pic  game s  store  appfrom  t he i r s ite and in s t allit  f romthe re . Thi s wa s  in  like F ebruary o r s o meth in g. 

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FridgeSealIcan do not hi ngbut la u g h - I ha ve precisely zero sympa t hy forEpi c her e.
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so cia l_quot ien t 
Did t his de cisio nlik e l y get m ad e b ef ore the me e t ing  with  c ongr ess? Cu rious
the lag time oncorporate dec isi on m a k in g o n  s o met hi n g l i k e this.

The fi ght was bo un d  t o happen b u t I ’m  fascin ated by  thet iming.
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t ibbydudez aHeyd o esTenCent no t own abig chunk of Ep i c? ??.
Itwouldbe  gr eat f or Hua w eiif th is who le  close d app st ore ecos ystem would be
broken u p andgivecus tomers th e f r eed om of cho ice. 

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b red ren 
I th oug h t the y re q ui red an in stal l  from the i rEpi c Ga mes app sto r e onAndro id, specif ical ly to get aroundG oogle Play fee s.
~ ~ ~
m cny They  d id. Seems like  it  o n l y change din April. M aybe the yw anted  to se e thenumbers 

only 20-25%_of the_installed base and the_dominant platform_has_many stores_to
choose_from.

Customers are plainly_choosing the open_platform.

~~~
partiallypro
First off, that's globally,_not the US_(in_the US it's ~50/50.) Secondly,
despite Apple not having a "monopoly" on the install base_they_do essentially
have_a_monopoly_on store expenditures and revenue._There is a reason why_Apps
launch on_iOS first (usually), AppStore members are more likely_to_buy the app
and_do in-app purchases than Android users. This is BY_FAR. I forgot the exact
numbers, but_I believe it's_near_double_or triple that of_Android. The
AppStore is a cash register_for Apple, 30% is insanity.

------
Mandatum
What happens_to players who refund everything from these_stores once the apps
are no longer_accessible? Does Apple or Google_just eat_the cost? I presume
Epic has_already been paid_out, it_seems like Apple_and Google wouldn't be
able to claw_back that refund_money.

------
BooneJS
Will my kid be able to_buy_new skins with_something_other_than vbucks_when
this is all_said_and done?

------
grawprog
Was_fortnite_on the play store? A few_months_ago I decided to try it for
android,_I had to download_the_epic games store app_from their site and
install it_from there. This was in like_February or_something.

------
FridgeSeal
I can_do nothing but laugh - I have precisely zero sympathy for_Epic here.

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social_quotient
Did this decision likely get_made before the meeting_with congress?_Curious
the_lag time on_corporate_decision making_on something like this.

The fight was bound_to happen_but I’m fascinated by the timing.

------
tibbydudeza
Hey_does TenCent not own_a_big chunk of Epic???.

It would be_great for Huawei if this whole_closed appstore ecosystem would be
broken_up_and_give customers the freedom of_choice.

------
bredren
I thought they required an install_from their Epic_Games app store on Android,
specifically to get_around_Google Play fees.

~~~
mcny
They did. Seems like_it_only changed in April. Maybe they_wanted_to_see the
numbers