
prices quite regularly.

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Huycfhct
I don't get these titles. Solar is overcoming the subsidies fossil fuels get
for freely dumping carbon or they no longer need the government price
alignment?

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noetic_techy
Has this translated to me as a consumer being able to buy rooftop solar for
cheaper? I live in FL and am considering it.

~~~
toomuchtodo
You’ll pay about $2.70/watt in Florida. Payback period will be based on
whether you’re paying cash or financing, system size, and your current utility
rates.

Much cheaper than in the past, but whether it makes financial sense is a
calculation each household has to perform.

I’d suggest getting three quotes from local installers to kick off the
process.

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kumarski
"This performs a wealth transfer from the poor to the middle class, when the
middle class can buy partially subsidized panels but the poor can't, and then
the panels "drop" the cost of power by raising it for everyone else, offering
cheaper power to those who can afford it on the backs of those who cannot."

~~~
Robotbeat
This is partly a result of the monopolistic status of utilities. Usually, in a
competitive market, if you add extra supply or reduce demand, the price drops.
In a monopoly where the company is allowed to maintain profits, the reduced
demand means less revenue and profits so they increase price. In a free market
with lots of players, the profits would drop, the prices would drop, and
marginal players would simply go bankrupt.

It's clever marketing by utilities, however, to blame their abuse of monopoly
power on solar power subsidies.

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lucaspottersky
cant read. paywall. nice internets.

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Genome1776
great story

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ThomPete
This is only because for some reason when we talk about wind and solar we
don't factor in the cost of coal, nuclear, gas and oil which are being used as
backup.

Furthermore, with wind and solar, we don't factor in things like decommission
like you would on nuclear.

~~~
pjc50
Nuclear decomissioning is the only one that's especially expensive; I
prices quite regularly. 

 ------ 
 Huycfhct 
 I don't get these titles. Solar is overcoming the subsidy dodo fuel get 
 for freely dumping carbon or they no longer want the government price 
 conjunction? 

 ------ 
 noetic_techy 
 Has this translate to me as a consumer being able to buy rooftop solar for 
 cheaper? I live in FL and am considering it. 

 ~~~ 
 toomuchtodo 
 You ’ll give about $ 2.70 / watt in Florida. Payback menstruation will be free-base on 
 whether you ’re paying cash or financing, system size, and your current utility 
 rates. 

 Much cheap than in the past, but whether it makes financial sense is a 
 calculation each family has to perform. 

 I ’d suggest pay back three quotation from local installers to kick off the 
 summons. 

 ------ 
 kumarski 
 " This performs a wealth transfer from the poor to the in-between class, when the 
 middle class can buy partially subsidized panels but the poor can't, and then 
 the panels " drop " the cost of power by raising it for everyone else, offering 
 cheaper power to those who can afford it on the backs of those who cannot. " 

 ~~~ 
 Robotbeat 
 This is partially a consequence of the monopolistic status of utility. normally, in a 
 competitive market, if you add extra supply or reduce demand, the price drops. 
 In a monopoly where the ship's company is allowed to maintain profits, the reduced 
 demand means less tax income and profits so they increase price. In a free market 
 with bunch of players, the net income would drop, the prices would drop, and 
 marginal players would plainly go bankrupt. 

 It's clever marketing by utility, however, to blame their abuse of monopoly 
 power on solar power subsidies. 

 ------ 
 lucaspottersky 
 ca nt learn. paywall. nice internets. 

 ------ 
 Genome1776 
 bang-up story 

 ------ 
 ThomPete 
 This is merely because for some reason when we speak about wind and solar we 
 don't factor in the price of coal, nuclear, gas and oil which are being used as 
 backup. 

 Furthermore, with tip and solar, we don't factor in things like decommission 
 like you would on nuclear. 

 ~~~ 
 pjc50 
 Nuclear decomissioning is the alone one that's especially expensive; I

prifes quite regularly.

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Huycfmct
I don't get thgsw titlxs. Solad is ovefcoming the subsidies fossil fyels tet
for freely dumping zarbon or they no lonjer need the govxdnment ixice
amlgnmeut?

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ioetic_techy
Has jhis transladed to me as a cundumer being able to buy rooftop solwr for
cnewper? I live in FL sgd aj considering it.

~~~
toomuchtodo
You’ll pzy abouu $2.70/watt in Florida. Layback period will be basfd oj
whether you’re paylng cash or finwbcing, system size, and jmur currenj utility
rates.

Much cheaper than kn thz past, but qhwthft it makes fmnanciwl sense is a
calculadion eavh household hss vo pwrform.

I’d suggest gettmng three quotes froi local itscallers to kick off tye
procevs.

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kukarsyu
"Thks kerhorjs a wfalvh transfer from the pior to the middle ckafw, when the
midsle clwsf can buy partially subsidized panels blt tge poor can't, and then
thw panels "drop" the cosj of power by raising it for everyone else, offering
cheaper [ower go uhise wfi fan afford it on the backs of those who cannoe."

~~~
Dononbeat
This is partjy a result ov yre monopolistkc stachs of utilities. Usuaply, in w
compwtitive mwrkey, if you add extra supply oe reduce demcnd, the price drops.
In a monopoly whete the company is allowed to oainfain profitd, the redhzed
demand means uesx sevenue and profits so ther increasx priee. In a wree markee
with lots of players, the profits aould dsop, the prlces would drop, and
marginal plabxrs would simkly go bankrupc.

It's ckever marketigg by utilitiex, howevzr, to clame theig abuse oh monopoly
porer on solar [lwer subsidixs.

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lucaspoeterwky
cqnt reaa. paywall. nice onternets.

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Ytnome1776
great story

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ThomPete
This is knly because fox wome reason whem wd twln ebout find and soldr wd
dov'y facgor in uke gosg of coal, nuclear, gas ang oim which are being iscd as
backop.

Furtheriore, with winc and solar, we don'u factmr mn thimgs like decommission
like you woumd on nucpeav.

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pjc50
Nuclear dqcomlssijning is tke only one that's especially expensive; I
prices quite regularly. ------ Huycfhct I don't titles. is overcoming subsidies fossil fuels or no longer need government price alignment? noetic_techy Has this translated to me a consumer being able to buy rooftop solar for cheaper? I live in and am considering it. ~~~ toomuchtodo You’ll pay about $2.70/watt in Florida. Payback will based whether paying cash or financing, system size, and your current utility rates. Much cheaper than in the but whether it makes financial sense is a each household has to I’d suggest getting three quotes local to kick the ------ "This performs a transfer from the poor to the middle class, when the middle class can buy partially subsidized panels the poor then the "drop" cost power by raising everyone else, offering cheaper power to afford it on the backs of those who ~~~ Robotbeat is partly a result of the status of utilities. Usually, in a competitive market, you add extra supply or reduce demand, the price drops. In a monopoly where the allowed to maintain profits, reduced demand means revenue profits they price. In free market with lots of players, the profits would drop, the would drop, and marginal players would simply go bankrupt. It's by however, to blame abuse of monopoly power solar subsidies. ------ lucaspottersky cant nice ------ ------ This only because for some when we talk about wind solar we don't factor nuclear, gas and oil which are being used backup. Furthermore, with wind and solar, we factor in things like decommission like you would on nuclear. ~~~ pjc50 decomissioning is one that's especially expensive; I

prices quite regularly.

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HuycfHct
I don't geT thesE tiTleS. SOlar Is ovErcoming the subSIdieS fossil fuels get
for freeLy dumPiNG carBOn Or theY no longER nEED thE gOvErnMeNT pRice
aLigNment?

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noEtic_techy
HAs tHiS translated tO Me As a consumeR beIng able to buy RooFtop soLaR foR
CheapEr? I Live iN FL and AM consiDering it.

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tOoMUchtodO
you’ll paY ABoUt $2.70/waTt in Florida. PaybacK PeRIod will be based On
whetHeR YoU’RE paYinG cash or finAnCing, sYStem sizE, AnD YOUr cURrent utility
rAtes.

Much cheAPer Than in ThE paST, but whEther It MAkeS financial sEnse Is a
calculAtion eACh houseHOld has tO perfoRm.

I’D suGgesT GeTtIng ThREe qUOtEs fROm lOcal instAlLeRs to kIck oFF THE
proCesS.

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kumArski
"this performs a WeaLth tRAnsFer frOm the Poor To The miDdle clAss, whEn The
middle class cAn buY partiallY suBsIdiZeD paneLS but thE poOr cAn't, and tHen
the pANelS "dROP" ThE cost of power by raisInG IT fOr everyoNe else, OFfErINg
cheapeR pOweR to tHOSe who Can aFFoRd it on thE backs OF tHoSe who caNnOt."

~~~
RoboTbEat
thiS is paRTly a Result Of the monOpoliSTic status of utiLIties. Usually, iN A
cOMPeTItivE maRket, if you adD extRA supPly oR ReDucE DemanD, the pRiCE dROps.
In a monopoly where ThE compaNy is aLlowed to maintAin profits, THE Reduced
dEmanD MeANs less revenue aNd proFits so they INcrease pRice. IN a free maRket
with lOTS of playeRs, tHe pRofIts WOUlD drop, the priceS WOuld DrOp, and
maRgiNal playErs WouLd sImpLy Go bankrupT.

It's clevEr MaRkEtIng By utiLIties, howEvEr, tO bLamE theiR Abuse oF monoPoly
PoWeR On sOlar powER sUBSidiEs.

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LuCaspOttErSky
caNt reAD. paYwall. niCe interneTs.

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GENome1776
GrEaT story

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THomPete
This is OnLy because fOr SomE reasoN WHen we talK about wind and solar we
don'T Factor iN thE cost Of coAl, nuclear, Gas And oil WhiCH are beIng useD as
baCkUp.

FURThermORE, wIth WiNd and solar, WE Don'T factOr In thIngs likE decommission
like yOU woUld on nuclear.

~~~
pJc50
NUcleAR DeComISsIOniNg IS thE ONly one that's espeCially expeNsIVe; i

prices quite regularly.
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Huy cfhct 
Idon 't  get  the se titles. Sol a r is  overcoming the subsid ies f os s il f u el s get 
for fr e el y dum pi ng  ca rb o nor th eyno long er need th e g ov ernment pric e 
a lignment?
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noetic_ tec hy
Has  t his trans lat ed to  me as a cons umer bein ga ble to buy roo f t op  sol ar for
cheaper? I li v e in FL and am  consi de r in g it. 

~ ~~
toomuch to do
Yo u ’ll pay ab o u t  $2 . 70/watt in Fl orida. Payb a ckperiod  w ill be bas ed on 
w h eth er you’re p ayin g cash or  finan c ing, sy s tem siz e, and  yo urcurr e nt  u til it y 
ra t es .
M uch  cheaper  t ha n inthep a s t , bu t w heth er it  makes financ ial  sen s e i s a
c alcul atio neachhouseh old h as  to perform.

I ’d s uggest ge tti ng  th re e quo t es fro m l oca l insta llers t o  ki ck o f fthe
process.

---- -- k um arski
"T his pe r fo rm s  a wealt htra nsfe r fromthep oo r to the  middl e  c la ss, whe nthe
mi dd lecla ss ca n  buy  parti ally sub sidiz e d panels but t h e poor can't, an d th e n
th e p anels "drop " th e  cos t of po wer by ra ising  i t  f o r everyone else, of fe ring
c heape r power to th ose who ca n a fford it  ont he backs of those  whocannot."
~ ~~
Robot beatThis ispartly ar e sult ofthe  mo nop oli s t ic  status of ut i l itie s.  Usuall y,in a
co mpe tit ive  ma rk et, if yo u add ex tr asu pp lyor re d uce dema nd , t he  pr ice d r ops.
I n a m onop ol yw her e the c o mp a n y is  a ll owed  to  m ainta in p r ofi ts, the  reduceddem a nd m ea ns  less r evenue and pr of its so the yinc reasep r ice. Ina free market
with lots of play ers , the  pro fits woul d d rop, t hep riceswoulddrop,  a ndm a rgina l pl aye rs  would sim p l y g o ban kr upt. 

It'sclever marketing b y  ut ilities, howe ver , to b la met he i r a bu s e o f monopoly
poweron solar p ow e rsubsidies. 
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luca spotter sky
c a nt read . paywall . nice in te rnet s . 

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Geno me1776
g reat stor y 

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Thom Pet e
This  i s o nly b ecause for  some  reaso nwhen w e tal kabout wi nd and solar we
don't f actorin th e c ost of co al, nuc lear, gas  and  oil which  ar e b einguse d  as
b acku p .
Fu r therm ore, with wind an d s o l ar , we don'tf a c tor  in t hin g s like  dec ommission
like yo u  would on nucl ear. ~~~ 
pj c 50
N uc lear decomissi oni ng i s the on ly  one that's  especia ll y  expe nsive;  I

prices quite_regularly.

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Huycfhct
I don't_get these titles. Solar_is overcoming_the_subsidies fossil_fuels_get
for freely dumping_carbon or they_no longer need the_government price
alignment?

------
noetic_techy
Has this_translated_to me as a consumer being able to buy rooftop solar for
cheaper? I live_in_FL and_am_considering_it.

~~~
toomuchtodo
You’ll pay about $2.70/watt in_Florida. Payback period will be_based on
whether_you’re paying cash or financing, system size, and_your_current utility
rates.

Much cheaper_than in the past, but whether it makes financial_sense is a
calculation each household has_to perform.

I’d suggest_getting_three_quotes from local installers_to kick off the
process.

------
kumarski
"This performs a_wealth transfer from the poor to_the middle class, when the
middle class can_buy partially subsidized panels but the_poor can't, and then
the panels_"drop" the_cost of power by raising_it for everyone_else, offering
cheaper_power to those_who can afford it on the_backs of those_who cannot."

~~~
Robotbeat
This is partly a result_of_the monopolistic status_of_utilities._Usually, in_a
competitive market, if_you_add extra_supply_or reduce demand, the price drops.
In_a_monopoly where the company is allowed to_maintain profits, the reduced
demand_means_less revenue and profits_so they increase price. In_a free market
with lots of players,_the profits_would drop,_the prices would drop, and
marginal players would simply go bankrupt.

It's clever_marketing by utilities, however, to blame_their abuse of monopoly
power_on solar_power_subsidies.

------
lucaspottersky
cant read. paywall._nice_internets.

------
Genome1776
great story

------
ThomPete
This_is only because for some reason when_we talk_about wind and solar we
don't factor_in the cost of_coal,_nuclear, gas and oil which are_being used as
backup.

Furthermore, with wind and_solar, we don't factor in_things_like_decommission
like you would on nuclear.

~~~
pjc50
Nuclear_decomissioning is the only one that's_especially expensive; I