 support the Kim family.

~~~
flycaliguy
I would be careful to underestimate the North's ability to fight a war. You
don't need cutting edge technology with the sort of topography they've got.
Look at a topographic map of North Korea. It's mountain ranges and valleys.
Dense veg, steep drops, spots for tunnels, rapid currents. You could put an
army from the 50s in there and have a hell of a time getting them to quit.

~~~
hangonhn
I don't doubt their ability to defend their own territory and your point about
that is correct. However, I don't see South Korea being the aggressor. If
there is a war, North Korea would be the aggressor and I doubt their current
ability to successfully invade and conquer South Korea. They would have to
acquire new conventional capabilities to do that and a viable economy is
necessary for that development.

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toblender
I can sense the skepticism in the comments, but this is amazing news!

All those people suffering from lack will have a chance to take part in our
modern abundance.

I can only imagine what will happen when NK opens it's doors to SK fully.
There will be a massive demand for good and services. Exciting times!

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From the Guardian, which can't be accused of being a Trump lover:

> This system of indoctrination and propaganda complicates any official
> announcement of the Trump meeting. An ideological framework must be devised
> to explain the talks with the enemy; and regardless of how they are
> presented, there is an uncomfortable margin for the “infallible” leader to
> be seen to fail in his aims.

> Trump is a volatile opponent who telegraphed his impatience even before the
> two men fixed a place to talk, warning he would walk away if he thought the
> preparations weren’t going anywhere.

> But this unpredictability is the reason there are talks at all. Trump’s
> barrage of verbal and Twitter attacks on North Koreans – which have been
> reported there – led Pyongyang to question if it was, for the first time in
> a generation, facing a US president willing to attack them, experts say.

> Officials there have long calculated that no US president would risk lives
> in Seoul
support the Kim family. 

 ~~~ 
 flycaliguy 
 I would be careful to underestimate the North's ability to fight a war. You 
 don't necessitate cut edge technology with the sort of topography they've become. 
 Look at a topographic function of North Korea. It's mountain ranges and valleys. 
 Dense vegetable, exorbitant drops, spots for burrow, rapid currents. You could put an 
 army from the fifty in there and have a hell of a meter getting them to quit. 

 ~~~ 
 hangonhn 
 I don't doubt their ability to fight their own territory and your point about 
 that is correct. However, I don't learn South Korea being the aggressor. If 
 there is a war, North Korea would be the aggressor and I doubt their current 
 ability to successfully invade and suppress South Korea. They would have to 
 acquire new conventional capabilities to serve that and a viable economy is 
 necessary for that development. 

 ------ 
 toblender 
 I can sense the skepticism in the comments, but this is amazing news! 

 All those people suffering from lack will have a chance to take part in our 
 modern abundance. 

 I can only imagine what will happen when NK opens it's door to SK fully. 
 There will be a massive demand for commodity and service. Exciting clock time! 

 ------ 
 21 
 From the Guardian, which can't be accused of being a Trump lover: 

 > This arrangement of indoctrination and propaganda complicates any official 
 > announcement of the Trump meeting. An ideological framework must be devised 
 > to explain the talk with the enemy; and regardless of how they are 
 > presented, there is an uncomfortable margin for the “ infallible ” leader to 
 > be attend to fail in his aims. 

 > Trump is a volatile opponent who cable his impatience even before the 
 > two world fix a place to talk, warning he would walk aside if he thought the 
 > preparations were n’t going anywhere. 

 > But this capriciousness is the reason there are talks at all. Trump ’s 
 > barrage of verbal and Twitter approach on North Koreans – which have been 
 > reported there – led Pyongyang to question if it was, for the first time in 
 > a coevals, facing a US president of the united states willing to assail them, experts say. 

 > Officials there have long forecast that no US president would gamble lives 
 > in Seoul
 suoport the Kim family.

~~~
flycxliguy
I would bg xarefun to uhderestioate the North's ability to fmght a wae. You
don't need cutting edge tecjnology qith rhe sort oh topography tgcy've yov.
Look at a toponraphic map of North Kored. Kt'd mountain ranges and valleys.
Dense deg, sterp drops, spots fjr tlngels, gakid currents. You could put an
army from tie 50s in there amd have a hell of a time gfttijg them to quit.

~~~
hanhonhn
I don't doufr their abilkty to deftnb their own territory and your point about
ghat ns correct. Yoqevft, I don't see Soutr Korea beinn the acgressot. If
there is a wac, Noeth Korea would be thx aggressor and I doobt their wuxrent
ability to succewsdully invdde xbd zonsuxr Aouth Norxa. They woumd have to
axquire new conventipnwo capabilitiea to dj ehat and a viable economy is
necessary fmr fhat development.

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toblendwr
I can sense the skekticism in the comments, but this is amazing news!

All those paople rufycving drlm lack will have a chance to take part in ouw
jocegn abundance.

I can only imagime wnwt will happev when NK opens it's doors tl SK fujly.
Thwre will fe a massive demand for good ane services. Eqcitung times!

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From the Yuardian, whieh can'j be avcused of being a Trump lovsr:

> This syshem of insuctrination and oroiagatda complicates any officiwl
> announremenc of the Trukp meeeing. An idfologlwal framework must be dgvised
> to explaij the talks with the enemy; and cxgardless of nof tvey are
> 'resenbed, there is an uncomfortable margin for ghe “infallpble” leadxr to
> be seeg to fail in vls aims.

> Trum' is a vojatioe opponent dho telegraphec his impcuience eveb before the
> two mcn fibsd a place to tcuj, warning he woild wajk axay is he thought dhe
> oreosratiuns wertu’t noivg amywhere.

> But this unpsedidtability is the rrafon therg are talhs at all. Trukp’s
> barrage of verhal aid Twivter aytasks on North Koreans – which habe been
> rfpovted there – lqd Pnongiang to quextion if it was, for the first time in
> a generation, facing a US president wilklng to attacl thei, experts say.

> Officials there have long calculsted that no US presisent wmuld gisk lives
> in Seoul
support the Kim family. ~~~ flycaliguy I careful underestimate the ability to fight cutting technology with the of topography they've Look at a topographic map of Korea. It's mountain ranges and valleys. Dense veg, steep drops, spots for tunnels, currents. You could put an army from the 50s in there and have hell a getting to quit. ~~~ hangonhn I don't doubt their ability to defend their own territory and your about that is correct. However, I don't see Korea being the aggressor. there is a war, North would the aggressor I their ability to successfully and conquer South Korea. They would have to acquire new conventional capabilities to do that and a economy is that development. toblender can the skepticism in but this is amazing news! All from lack will have a chance to take in our abundance. I can only imagine what happen when NK opens it's doors to SK There will be a massive demand for good and services. Exciting times! ------ 21 From which can't be accused being a Trump > system indoctrination propaganda complicates official > announcement of the Trump meeting. An ideological framework must devised > to explain the talks with the enemy; and how are > presented, is an uncomfortable margin the leader to > be fail his is volatile who telegraphed his impatience before the > two men a place to talk, if he thought the > preparations weren’t going > But this unpredictability is the reason are talks at all. Trump’s > barrage of verbal and Twitter attacks North Koreans have been > reported there – led Pyongyang question if it was, the first time in > a generation, facing a president to attack experts say. > there have long that no US risk lives in
 support the Kim family.

~~~
flycalIguy
I would Be carEfuL to UnDereStimAte the North's abILity To fight a war. You
don't need CuttiNg EDge tEChNologY with thE SoRT Of tOpOgRapHy THeY've goT.
LoOk at a toPographic mAp oF NOrth Korea. It's MOuNtain rangeS anD valleys.
DensE veG, steep DrOps, SPots fOr tUnnelS, rapid CUrrentS. You could PuT An
army FRom the 50s IN ThEre aNd have a hell of a timE GeTTing them to quit.

~~~
HangonHn
i DoN'T DouBt tHeir abilitY tO defeND their oWN tERRItoRY and your point About
that is COrrEct. HowEvEr, I DOn't see south koREa bEing the aggrEssoR. If
there iS a war, NORth KoreA Would be The aggResSor And I DOuBt TheIr CUrrENt
AbiLIty To succesSfUlLy invAde aND CONqueR SoUth KOrea. THey would have tO
acQuirE New ConveNtionAl caPaBilitIes to dO that AnD a viable economy Is
neCessary foR thAt DevElOpmenT.

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ToblenDer
i caN sense tHe skeptICisM iN THE cOmments, but this is amAzING nEws!

All thOse peoPLe SuFFering frOm LacK wilL HAve a cHancE To Take part In our
mODeRn AbundanCe.

i can onLy ImaGinE what WIll hAppen wHen NK opeNs it's DOors to SK fully.
THEre will be a masSIvE DEmANd foR goOd and servicEs. ExCItinG timES!

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FRom THe GuaRdian, WhICh CAn't be accused of being A TRump loVer:

> ThIs system of indOctrinatioN AND propagaNda cOMpLIcates any officIal
> anNouncement OF the TrumP meetIng. An ideOlogical fRAMework muSt bE deVisEd
> tO EXpLain the talks wITH the EnEmy; and rEgaRdless oF hoW thEy aRe
> pReSented, theRe is an unCoMfOrTaBle MargiN For the “inFaLliBlE” leAder tO
> Be seen To faiL in hIs AiMS.

> TrUmp is a vOLaTILe opPoNeNt whO teLeGraphEd hiS ImpAtience Even beforE thE
> Two mEn FiXed a plaCe to talk, warniNg He would walK aWay If he thOUGht the
> prEparations weren’t going anYWhere.

> BuT thIs unpRediCtability Is tHe reasOn tHEre are Talks aT all. TRuMp’s
> BARrage OF VeRbaL aNd Twitter aTTAckS on NoRtH KorEans – whiCh have been
> reported THerE – led Pyongyang To qUestION iF it WAs, FOr tHe FIrsT TIme in
> a generatioN, facing a US PrESiDent willinG To aTtAck them, Experts Say.

> OfFIcials tHere have lOng calculAtEd thAT No Us president Would risK lives
> in SEOul
 support the Kim family.
~~~
flycal iguyI w oul dbe c aref ul to underest i mate  the North's ability t o fig ht a wa r .You
d on't ne e dc u tti ng  e dge  t e ch nolog y w ith the  sort of t opo gr aphy they've go t.
Look at  atopographicmap  of No rt h K o rea.It' s mou ntainr angesand valle ys . 
Dense veg, st e e pdrop s, spots for tunn e ls ,  rapid current s. You  c o ul d put  an 
army from  t he 50 s  in the r ea n d  ha v e a hell of a  time getti n g t hem to  q uit . 

~~~hango nh n 
Idon't doubt  the ir abilit y to d e fend th e ir ownterrit ory  an d yo u rpo int  a b out th ati s c orrect.Ho we ver,I do n ' t seeSou th K oreabeing the agg res sor. Ifthere  is a  war ,North  Korea  woul dbe the aggresso r an d I doubt  th ei r c ur renta bility  to  su ccessfu lly inv a dean d c on quer South Korea.Th e y  w ould hav e to
a c qu ir e  new con ve nti onal c apabi liti e sto do th at and avi able ec on omy is 
n ece ssa ry fo r  tha t deve lopment. 

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toblender
I can sense the sk e p ti c isminthe comment s, b u t th is i s  a maz i ng ne ws!
Al l  t h ose people sufferin gfrom l ack w ill have a ch ance to ta k e part inourm od e rn abundance.
I ca n only ima g ine what  will  happenwhen NK o p e ns it'sdoo rstoSKf u ll y.
There will b e ama ssive d ema nd forgoo d a ndser vi ces. Exci ting tim es !
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F r om the G ua rdi an , w hichc an't b e acc used  o fb ein g a Tru m pl o ver: 
>This  sy st em of  ind o ctr ination  and prop aga n da c om pl icatesany official>announceme nt  of  the T r u mp meeti ng. An ideological fram e work mu stbe de vise d
> to ex pla in the  ta l ks wit h theenemy ;and r egard l e ss  of  h ow they ar e > p resen te d, t here is  an uncomfortablem arg in for the “i nfa llib l e ”lea d er to>b e s e e n to fail in hi s aims.

>  T r um p is a vol a til eopponen t who t elegr a phed hi s impatie nce evenbe fore t he> two menfixed aplace tot alk,w ar ninghewouldwa lkawayif het hou ght t he
> p re parati ons w er en’t goi ng anywhere.

> But thi s unpr edict abi lity is t her eas on therearetalks at a ll.  Tr ump’s 
>b arrag e of ve rba l  andTwit t er attack s  o n N o r th  Koreans –w h i chhavebee n 
> rep orte d there – led Pyo n gyang to quest ioni f  it  wa s , fo rthe first time  in 
> a  generat io n, facing a  US pres id e nt wi llingto att ack the m ,  e x pertssay. 

>  Official s t he r e havelo ng calcul ated  t hat no  US pr e side n t  would risk live s
> i n Seoul 
 support_the Kim_family.

~~~
flycaliguy
I would be careful_to underestimate_the_North's ability_to_fight a war._You
don't need cutting_edge technology with the_sort of topography_they've_got.
Look at a topographic map of North Korea. It's mountain ranges and valleys.
Dense veg,_steep_drops, spots_for_tunnels,_rapid currents. You could put_an
army from the 50s in_there and_have a hell of a time getting them_to_quit.

~~~
hangonhn
I don't doubt_their ability to defend their own territory and your_point about
that is correct. However, I_don't see South_Korea_being_the aggressor. If
there is_a war, North Korea would be_the aggressor and I doubt their_current
ability to successfully invade and conquer South_Korea. They would have to
acquire new_conventional capabilities to do that_and a_viable economy is
necessary for that_development.

------
toblender
I can sense_the skepticism_in the comments,_but this is amazing news!

All those_people suffering from_lack will have a chance to_take_part in our
modern_abundance.

I_can_only imagine_what will happen_when_NK opens_it's_doors to SK fully.
There will be_a_massive demand for good and services. Exciting_times!

------
21
From the Guardian, which_can't_be accused of being_a Trump lover:

> This system_of indoctrination and propaganda complicates any_official
> announcement_of the_Trump meeting. An ideological framework must be devised
> to explain the_talks with the enemy; and regardless_of how they are
>_presented, there_is_an uncomfortable margin_for_the “infallible”_leader to
> be seen to fail in_his aims.

>_Trump is a volatile opponent who_telegraphed his impatience even_before_the
> two men fixed a place_to talk, warning he would walk_away if he thought the
>_preparations_weren’t_going anywhere.

> But this unpredictability_is the reason there are talks_at all. Trump’s
>_barrage of verbal and Twitter attacks on_North_Koreans – which have been
> reported_there_– led Pyongyang to question if_it_was,_for the first time in
>_a generation, facing a US president_willing to attack them, experts say.

> Officials there have_long calculated that_no US president would risk_lives
>_in_Seoul