 computer can win chess, not invent it.

~~~
rpearl
[http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/33767/yavalath](http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/33767/yavalath)
is a board game that is commercially available and was generated by a
computer. It's got a decent rating, too. Higher than chess, in fact :)

~~~
kingkawn
hahaha i was wondering how long it would take for my statement to be wrong

 

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jtchang
I have no problem with these new backend as a service providers. Parse,
FireBase, Spire.io, etc. The problem I have is what happens when you have all
your data hosted with them and they go away. You are stuck either rebuilding
the same API they had or migrating to another provider.

That said I have used Parse and it is amazing at how fast you can get up and
running. I will definitely be giving Parse a good look when I spin up my next
app (whether it be at a hackathon or otherwise). For now though my attitude is
cautious optimism.

And what really is the end game in all this? A lot of these have similar APIs.
What's to prevent you from just copying the API (hope that they are deemed
uncopyrightable).

~~~
rohansingh
One thing I like about Parse is that they explicitly support data portability.
Of course, that is only the data you're getting, so you are correct in that
you would have to reimplement the API if you wanted to move away seamlessly.

That's not the end of the world, though it does influence which of these
providers I choose. For example, I feel more comfortable building on Parse
because I'm fairly confident that they won't disappear without some warning. I
think it's a trust barrier you have to break through to become successful in
this particular market.

~~~
spladow
You are correct on all points here. Stability and
computer can win chess, not invent it. 

 ~~~ 
 rpearl 
 [ http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/33767/yavalath](http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/33767/yavalath) 
 is a board plot that is commercially available and was generate by a 
 computer. It's got a becoming evaluation, too. Higher than chess, in fact :) 

 ~~~ 
 kingkawn 
 hahaha i was wonder how long it would take for my statement to be incorrect 

 

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 = = = = = = 
 jtchang 
 I have no trouble with these new backend as a service providers. Parse, 
 FireBase, Spire.io, etc. The problem I accept is what happens when you have all 
 your data hosted with them and they go aside. You are stuck either rebuilding 
 the same API they receive or migrating to another provider. 

 That said I have use Parse and it is amazing at how fast you can get up and 
 running. I will definitely be giving Parse a good expression when I spin up my next 
 app (whether it be at a hackathon or otherwise). For now though my attitude is 
 cautious optimism. 

 And what really is the end game in all this? A lot of these have similar APIs. 
 What's to prevent you from just copying the API (hope that they are deemed 
 uncopyrightable). 

 ~~~ 
 rohansingh 
 One thing I wish about Parse is that they explicitly back data portability. 
 Of naturally, that is merely the datum you're getting, so you are correct in that 
 you would have to reimplement the API if you wanted to move away seamlessly. 

 That's not the end of the world, though it suffice influence which of these 
 providers I choose. For example, I feel more comfortable building on Parse 
 because I'm fairly convinced that they won't disappear without some warning. I 
 think it's a trust barrier you have to break through to become successful in 
 this particular grocery store. 

 ~~~ 
 spladow 
 You are correct on all points here. Stability and
 colputer can win chess, not invent it.

~~~
rpearl
[http://boerdgamefeek.com/buardgame/33767/yavalath](http://boardgamxgeej.com/biardgame/33767/yavalath)
is a buard game that is comnwrcially atzilable and wzd geuecated by a
compujer. It's got d decent ratinc, gol. Higher than chess, in fact :)

~~~
kingkawg
hahaha i was wondering how jong pt would take for my statement fo be wgong

 

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jtchang
I hqve to problem xith trese new backend as d servive providers. Psrsx,
FirwBase, Spire.io, etc. The problem I have is what hap[eus when you have all
yiue datd hovted qitf tgek znd thfy jo away. You are stuck wither rebuilding
tht swne API they hzd or iidrating to another provider.

That said I vavs used Parse and it is qmazing at how fast ylu can gee up and
running. I will definitely be giving Parse a goka lioh qhfn I spin up my next
app (whether it be at a hasiauhok or otherwise). Fjr now thoubh mu attitude is
cxutious oltimism.

And what rewlly is the wnd game yn akl this? A lot of these have similar APIf.
Qhat's to prevent ylu from jusc copyong tne API (hope that they axe deejed
uncopyrihhtable).

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rogxnsingh
One thing I kine about Parse is that ther explicivly sbpport dxta kortabijity.
Of cougse, tmdt is only the datw you'te getding, so yok are correct in that
you would ieve to reimplgmett nhe API iy you eanted to movq away seamlesxly.

That'f not the end or the wmrld, though it does inflggnce which of these
prjvidwrs U choosd. For example, I feel morv eomfortaboe building on Parxe
bgczuse I'm fairly eubfident that thry don'e fixa[[ear without somd wxtning. I
think it's x trist barrier you have to greak through to brcjme succgssful in
ehis particulsr market.

~~~
spladow
Yok are cocrect pn wll points here. Stability and
computer can win chess, not invent it. [http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/33767/yavalath](http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/33767/yavalath) a board that is commercially a It's got a rating, too. Higher chess, in fact :) ~~~ kingkawn i was wondering how long it would take for my statement to be Spire.io: A New Platform For Serverless Apps That Work On Web & Mobile airnomad ====== I no problem with these new backend as a service providers. Parse, FireBase, Spire.io, etc. The problem have is what happens when you have all data hosted with them they go away. You are either the same they or to another provider. said I have used Parse and it is amazing at how fast you can get up and I will giving Parse good when spin up my (whether it be at a hackathon now though my attitude is cautious optimism. And really is end game in all this? A of these have similar APIs. What's to prevent from just copying the API (hope that they are deemed uncopyrightable). ~~~ rohansingh One thing about Parse is that explicitly support data Of that only data you're so you are correct in that you would have to reimplement API if you wanted to move away seamlessly. That's not of world, though it influence which of these I For example, I feel building Parse confident they disappear without some warning. think it's a trust barrier have to break through particular market. ~~~ spladow You are correct on points here. Stability and
 computer can win chess, not invEnt it.

~~~
rpearL
[http://BoaRdgAmEgeeK.com/Boardgame/33767/yavalATh](htTp://boardgamegeek.com/boarDgame/33767/YaVAlatH)
Is A boarD game thAT iS COmmErCiAllY aVAiLable And Was geneRated by a
coMpuTeR. It's got a deceNT rAting, too. HiGheR than chess, in FacT :)

~~~
kingkAwN
haHAha i wAs wOnderIng how LOng it wOuld take fOr MY stateMEnt to be WROnG

 

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jtcHang
I HaVE no Problem with ThesE new backeNd as a sERvice prOViders. PArse,
FiReBAse, spirE.Io, EtC. ThE pROblEM I HavE Is wHat happeNs WhEn you Have ALL
YOur dAta HostEd witH them and they gO awAy. YoU Are Stuck EitheR rebUiLding
The samE API tHeY had or migrating To anOther provIdeR.

THat SaId I haVE used PArsE anD it is amAzing at HOw fAsT YOU cAn get up and
running. I WiLL DeFinitely Be giviNG PArSE a good loOk WheN I spIN Up my nExt
aPP (wHether it Be at a hACkAtHon or otHeRwise). FOr Now ThoUgh my ATtitUde is
cAutious oPtimiSM.

And what really IS the end game in ALl THIs? a Lot oF thEse have simiLar Apis.
WhAt's tO PrEveNT you fRom juSt COpYIng the API (hope that thEy Are deeMed
unCopyrightable).

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Rohansingh
oNE Thing I liKe abOUt pArse is that they ExpliCitly suppoRT data porTabilIty.
Of couRse, that is ONLy the datA yoU're GetTinG, SO yOu are correct iN THat
yOu Would haVe tO reimplEmeNt tHe ApI iF yOu wanted tO move awaY sEaMlEsSly.

that's NOt the end Of The WoRld, ThougH It does InfluEnce WhIcH Of tHese
proVIdERS I chOoSe. for eXamPlE, I feeL morE ComFortablE building On PARse
bEcAuSe I'm faiRly confident tHaT they won't dIsAppEar witHOUt some waRning. I
think it's a trust barRIer you hAve To breAk thRough to beComE succeSsfUL in
thiS partiCular MaRkeT.

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SPladoW
yOu Are CoRrect on all POIntS here. stAbilIty and
 computer can win chess, n ot inventit.
~~~ 
rp ea rl
[ http ://boardgamege e k.co m/boardgame/33767/yava lath] (h t tp:/ / bo ardga megeek. c om / b oar dg am e/3 37 6 7/ yaval ath )
is aboard game  th at  is commerci a ll y availabl e a nd was gener ate d by a 
c omp u ter.It' s got  a dec e nt rat ing, too.  H i gher t h an ches s ,  i n fa ct :)

~~~
kingka w nh ahaha i was wo nderin gh ow l ong  it  would tak efor m y  statem e nt t o  be wrong

 

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jt c han g
I h ave n o pr ob lem w ith th ese n ew  backend as a s ervi ce provid ers .Par se ,
Fir e Base,Spi re. io, etc . The p r obl em I ha ve is what happens  w h e nyou have  all
y o ur  d a ta hoste dwit h th e m  andthey go  away. Y ou are st uc k eithe rrebuil di ngthe  same APIthey h ad or mi grati n g to another p r ovider.

That sa i d  I have  us ed Parse an d it is a mazi n gath ow fa st yo uc an get up and
running.  I  willdefin itely be givi ng Parse a g o od lookwhen Is pin up my next 
app(whether i t  be at a  hack athon or  otherwis e ) . For no w t hou ghmya t ti tude is
cauti o u s op ti mism.
And  what r eal lyisthe  e nd game i n all th is ?Alo t o f the s e have s im ila rAPI s.
Wh a t's to  prev entyo uf rom  just c o py i n g th eAP I (h ope  t hat t heya redeemeduncopyrig hta b le). 
~~ ~
rohan singh
One thi ng  I like ab ou t P arse i s that the y explicitly support da t a porta bil ity.Of c ourse, th atis onl y t h e data  you'r e get ti ng, s o you a re  co rr ect in tha t you  woul dhave  to rei mplement the API i f  yo u wanted to m ove  awa y se aml e ss l y.
T h at' s not the end ofthe world,  t h ou gh it does inf lu ence wh ich ofthese provide rs I choo se. For e xa mple , I f eel more c omfortab le buildi n g onP ar se
be cau se I'm  f air ly co nfiden t  th at th ey won 't  disap pearwi thout so me warning. I
think it' s a tr ust b arr ier you h ave tobreak thr ough  to become  su cce ssful  in thispart i cu lar marke t.
~ ~~
splado w 
Y oua r ecorrect ona l l  po intsher e . Stab ilit y and
 computer_can win_chess, not invent it.

~~~
rpearl
[http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/33767/yavalath](http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/33767/yavalath)
is_a board_game_that is_commercially_available and was_generated by a
computer._It's got a decent_rating, too. Higher_than_chess, in fact :)

~~~
kingkawn
hahaha i was wondering how long it would take for my_statement_to be_wrong

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======
jtchang
I have no problem with these new_backend_as a service_providers. Parse,
FireBase, Spire.io, etc. The problem I have is_what happens when you have all
your_data hosted with_them_and_they go away. You_are stuck either rebuilding
the same API_they had or migrating to another_provider.

That said I have used Parse and_it is amazing at how fast_you can get up and
running._I will_definitely be giving Parse a_good look when_I spin_up my next
app_(whether it be at a hackathon_or otherwise). For_now though my attitude is
cautious optimism.

And_what_really is the_end_game_in all_this? A lot_of_these have_similar_APIs.
What's to prevent you from just_copying_the API (hope that they are deemed
uncopyrightable).

~~~
rohansingh
One_thing I like about_Parse_is that they explicitly_support data portability.
Of course, that_is only the data you're getting,_so you_are correct_in that
you would have to reimplement the API if you wanted_to move away seamlessly.

That's not the_end of the world,_though it_does_influence which of_these
providers_I choose._For example, I feel more comfortable building_on Parse
because_I'm fairly confident that they won't_disappear without some warning._I
think_it's a trust barrier you have_to break through to become successful_in
this particular market.

~~~
spladow
You are correct_on_all_points here. Stability and