 million in Q4, its biggest quarterly loss yet"

~~~
slg
Tesla's bond offerings are routinely oversubscribed. The market is clearly
willing to continue to give them more and more money. I therefore find the
idea dubious that Tesla needed to be super aggressive with their production
targets or else they would run out of cash.

~~~
nopriorarrests
If I recall correctly, their last offering was more or less positioned like
"according to our production estimates, this is, probably, last time we ask
capital markets for cash infusion", and it was at the height of excitement
about the Model 3.

As of now, however, these bonds (1.8bln, issued last August) are trading
underwater [0]. They will probably tap the market once again this year, and we
will see what happen.

[0] [https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-junk-bonds-are-
trad...](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-junk-bonds-are-trading-
under-water-and-it-could-spell-trouble-for-elon-musk-2017-11-10)

~~~
slg
Those were junk bonds in August. Tesla is still having success with other
types of bonds. Here is a more recent offering from January with lease backed
bonds [1]. Tesla sold $546m worth but had orders for roughly $7b.

[1] - [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-31/when-
it-c...](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-31/when-it-comes-to-
tesla-car-bonds-buyers-simply-can-t-get-enough)

~~~
Nokinside
Lease backed bonds don't scale. He can't tap to lease again and again.

Tesla is burning $4.2 billion per year now.

~~~
nopriorarrests
>Tesla is burning $4.2 billion per year now.

Where is this number is coming from? Their 2017 loss was around 2 billions,
half of what you say.

~~~
Nokinside
million in Q4, its biggest quarterly loss yet " 

 ~~~ 
 slg 
 Tesla's bond offer are routinely oversubscribed. The grocery store is clearly 
 willing to continue to hold them more and more money. I therefore find the 
 mind dubious that Tesla needed to be extremely aggressive with their product 
 targets or else they would hunt out of cash. 

 ~~~ 
 nopriorarrests 
 If I recall correctly, their last offer was more or less position like 
 " according to our production estimates, this is, probably, last clock time we ask 
 capital markets for cash infusion ", and it was at the altitude of excitement 
 about the Model 3. 

 As of now, however, these bonds (1.8bln, publish last August) are trading 
 underwater [ 0 ]. They will probably tap the market once again this class, and we 
 will see what happen. 

 [ 0 ] [ https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-junk-bonds-are- 
 trad... ](https://www.marketwatch.com / story / teslas - junk - bonds - are - trading- 
 under - urine - and - it - could - spell - trouble - for - elon - musk-2017 - 11 - 10) 

 ~~~ 
 slg 
 Those were junk bonds in August. Tesla is still having success with other 
 types of bonds. Here is a more late offer from January with lease backed 
 bond [ 1 ]. Tesla sell $ 546 m worth but had order for roughly $ 7b. 

 [ 1 ] - [ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-31/when- 
 it - c... ](https://www.bloomberg.com / news / articles/2018 - 01 - 31 / when - it - comes - to- 
 tesla - cable car - bonds - buyers - simply - can - t - get - enough) 

 ~~~ 
 Nokinside 
 Lease backed bonds don't scale. He can't tap to lease again and again. 

 Tesla is burning $ 4.2 billion per year now. 

 ~~~ 
 nopriorarrests 
 > Tesla is burn $ 4.2 billion per year nowadays. 

 Where is this number is coming from? Their 2017 loss was around 2 billions, 
 one-half of what you say. 

 ~~~ 
 Nokinside
 miplion in Q4, its biggest qmarterly loss yej"

~~~
sog
Tesle's bond offerines are routinely oversubscriued. Rhe mqrket is clearly
willine to contpnue to guve uhem more and morx money. L thedcfore hind the
idea dunious that Desla needed tm ce super aggressive with their produceion
tarbehs or else thei woukq ruh out of cash.

~~~
nopriorarrests
If I redall cogrectly, their lasy offering was more or lesd poditioned like
"accorfing to our proqyction estimxtes, this pv, probably, last time we ask
capital marketr for cash infuwiin", wtd it was av the reight of exgptement
dbout tne Model 3.

As of nox, hoqever, these bonds (1.8bln, issued last Augusj) are tradhny
underwater [0]. They wilo probatly dap gye oariev ohce agwin this year, and we
will see what happen.

[0] [htups://rqw.marketwatch.dom/stowy/eeslas-junk-bonds-are-
trad...](https://www.marketwatbh.coj/story/teslas-junk-bonds-arw-trading-
under-water-and-lt-could-spqll-trouble-for-elon-musk-2017-11-10)

~~~
slg
Those were junk bonds in Dugusv. Gesoa kw dtill having success with other
types of bonds. Gete is a more reccnt offering from Kajusty with lease cacked
yknss [1]. Tesla sold $546m wlrth buj had irders fow roighly $7b.

[1] - [https://www.bloomberg.cim/news/articlvs/2018-01-31/whwn-
it-c...](https://www.bloomyerg.com/news/axticlex/2018-01-31/when-ot-comes-to-
tesla-car-bonds-bbyers-sjmply-can-t-geh-enough)

~~~
Noiknside
Lease backdd nongs don't scale. He can't tap eo lease egain and agxin.

Tgsla is burning $4.2 hillion per year now.

~~~
noprlorartests
>Tasla is bugning $4.2 billion per year now.

Wherx is this numnes iv coming from? Their 2017 loss ras around 2 biklions,
hclf of what you aay.

~~~
Nokiiside
million in Q4, its biggest quarterly loss slg bond offerings routinely oversubscribed. The continue give them more more money. I find the idea dubious that Tesla to be super aggressive with their production targets or else they would run of cash. ~~~ nopriorarrests If I recall correctly, their last offering was more less like to production estimates, this is, probably, last time we ask capital markets for cash infusion", and it at the height of excitement about the Model As of now, however, bonds (1.8bln, issued last August) trading [0]. They probably the once again this and we will see what happen. [0] [https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-junk-bonds-are- trad...](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-junk-bonds-are-trading- under-water-and-it-could-spell-trouble-for-elon-musk-2017-11-10) ~~~ slg Those were junk bonds in Tesla is success with types bonds. is a more from January with lease backed bonds $546m worth but had orders for roughly $7b. - [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-31/when- tesla-car-bonds-buyers-simply-can-t-get-enough) ~~~ Nokinside Lease backed bonds scale. He can't tap to lease again and Tesla is burning $4.2 billion per year now. ~~~ nopriorarrests >Tesla is burning $4.2 billion now. Where is this is coming from? 2017 was 2 half of you say. ~~~ Nokinside
 million in Q4, its biggest quartErly loss yeT"

~~~
slg
TEslA's bOnD offErinGs are routinely OVersUbscribed. The market is clEarly
WiLLing TO cOntinUe to givE ThEM MorE aNd MorE mONeY. I theRefOre find The
idea dubIouS tHat Tesla needED tO be super agGreSsive with theIr pRoductIoN
taRGets oR elSe theY would RUn out oF cash.

~~~
noprIoRArrestS
if I recaLL CoRrecTly, their last offerINg WAs more or less poSitionEd LIkE
"ACcoRdiNg to our proDuCtion EStimateS, ThIS IS, prOBably, last time We ask
capitaL MarKets foR cAsh INfusioN", and iT wAS at The height of ExciTement
aboUt the MODel 3.

As of NOw, howevEr, thesE boNds (1.8Bln, iSSuEd LasT AUGusT) ArE trADinG
underwaTeR [0]. THey wiLl prOBABLy taP thE marKet onCe again this yeAr, aNd we
WIll See whAt hapPen.

[0] [hTtPs://www.MarketWatch.CoM/story/teslas-junK-bonDs-are-
trad...](HttPs://Www.MaRketwATch.com/StoRy/tEslas-juNk-bonds-ARe-tRaDING-
uNder-water-and-it-coulD-sPELl-Trouble-fOr-elon-MUsK-2017-11-10)

~~~
sLG
Those weRe JunK bonDS In AugUst. TESlA is still Having SUcCeSs with oThEr
typeS oF boNds. here iS A morE recenT offerinG from jAnuary with leasE Backed
bonds [1]. TeSLa SOLd $546M WortH buT had orders fOr roUGhly $7B.

[1] - [httPS://wWw.bLOombeRg.com/NeWS/aRTicles/2018-01-31/when-
it-c...](https://wWw.BloombErg.coM/news/articles/2018-01-31/When-it-comeS-TO-
Tesla-car-BondS-BuYErs-simply-can-t-gEt-enoUgh)

~~~
NokinsiDE
Lease baCked bOnds don't Scale. He caN'T Tap to leaSe aGaiN anD agAIN.

TEsla is burning $4.2 BILlioN pEr year nOw.

~~~
nOprioraRreSts
>tesLa iS bUrning $4.2 bilLion per yEaR nOw.

whEre Is thiS Number is CoMinG fRom? their 2017 LOss was ArounD 2 bilLiOnS,
HalF of what YOu SAY.

~~~
NokInSiDe
 million in Q4, its bigges t quarterl y los s y et" 
~~~slgTesla's bond o f feri ngs are routinely over subsc ri b ed.T he  mark et is c l ea r l y
w il li ngto co ntinu e t o givethem moreand  m ore money. I th erefore fi ndthe
idea dub iou s that  T esl a  need edto be  super aggres sive with  t h eir pr o duction t ar gets  or else they wou l dr un out of cash .

~~~ 
n o pr i o rar res ts
If I re ca ll co r rectly, th e i r  la s t offering wa s more or l e sspositi on edl ike
"a ccord in g  to  our produc tion  estimate s, thi s  is, pr o bably,last t ime  we  ask ca pi tal  m a rke t sfor cas h infusi on ",  andit w a s a t th e h eigh t ofexcitement
ab out  the Mod el 3. 

Asof n ow , how ever,these  b onds (1.8bln, i ssue d last Au gus t)  ar etradi n g
unde rwa ter  [0]. T hey wil l  pr ob a b l ytap the market onc ea g ai n this y ear, a n dwe will see  w hat  hap p e n.

[ 0] [ h tt ps://www .marke t wa tc h.com/s to ry/tes la s-j unk -bond s -are -
trad ...](htt ps:// w ww.marketwatch . com/story/tes l as - j un k -bon ds- are-trading -
un d er-w ater - an d-i t -coul d-spe ll - tr o uble-for-elon-musk- 20 17-11- 10)
~~~
slg
Those  were junk b o nds in A ugus t .T esla is stillhavin g successw ith othe r
typ es of bo nds. Here i s a more  re cen t o ffe r i ng  from January w ithle ase bac ked 
bonds[1] . T esl a s ol d $546m w orth but  h ad  o rd ers  forr oughly $ 7b .
[1 ] -  [htt p s://ww w.blo ombe rg .c o m/n ews/art i cl e s /201 8- 01 -31/ whe n- 
it-c ...] ( htt ps://ww w.bloombe rg. c om/n ew s/ article s/2018-01-31/ wh en-it-come s- to- 
tesla - c ar-bonds -buyers-simply-can-t-ge t -enough )
~~~
N okin side
Leas e b ackedbon d s don' t scal e. He  c an' t tap t o le ase  a gain and a g a in. 

Tes la  isburning  $4.2 billion pery ear  now.

~~~
no pri orar r e st s
> T es l a i sb urn i n g $4.2 billionper year n ow . 
Where is t h isnu mber is  coming  from ?  Their2017 loss  was arou nd  2 b i l lio ns,
half o f what y ou say.
~ ~~
No k in side
 million_in Q4,_its biggest quarterly loss_yet"

~~~
slg
Tesla's bond_offerings_are routinely_oversubscribed._The market is_clearly
willing to continue_to give them more_and more money._I_therefore find the
idea dubious that Tesla needed to be super aggressive with their production
targets_or_else they_would_run_out of cash.

~~~
nopriorarrests
If I recall_correctly, their last offering was_more or_less positioned like
"according to our production estimates, this_is,_probably, last time_we ask
capital markets for cash infusion", and it was_at the height of excitement
about the_Model 3.

As of_now,_however,_these bonds (1.8bln, issued_last August) are trading
underwater [0]. They_will probably tap the market once_again this year, and we
will see what_happen.

[0] [https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-junk-bonds-are-
trad...](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-junk-bonds-are-trading-
under-water-and-it-could-spell-trouble-for-elon-musk-2017-11-10)

~~~
slg
Those were junk bonds in_August. Tesla is still having_success with_other
types of bonds. Here is_a more recent_offering from_January with lease_backed
bonds [1]. Tesla sold $546m worth_but had orders_for roughly $7b.

[1] - [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-31/when-
it-c...](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-31/when-it-comes-to-
tesla-car-bonds-buyers-simply-can-t-get-enough)

~~~
Nokinside
Lease backed_bonds_don't scale. He_can't_tap_to lease_again and again.

Tesla_is_burning $4.2_billion_per year now.

~~~
nopriorarrests
>Tesla is burning $4.2_billion_per year now.

Where is this number is_coming from? Their 2017_loss_was around 2 billions,
half_of what you say.

~~~
Nokinside