
~~~
polyakoff
There is plenty of services like this nowadays. I recall TrensferGO and
Revolut. There is even a service for fees comparison amongst those services,
developed be hackernews fellow reader:
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20819538](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20819538)

~~~
toomuchtodo
Excellent resource!

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TooSmugToFail
So much nonsense in this article, don't know where to start...

~~~
IshKebab
Yeah I stopped reading after this:

> At its core, bitcoin is just an extension of the old PGP, or Pretty Good
> Privacy encryption protocol.

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basicplus2
This is also about getting out of being "locked into" a larger overall economy
run for the benefit of a few and creating local economies.

People with land and/or skills could create new economies by trading directly
with each other with what they produce and opt out altogether..

In a way it is the final defence of a people against control and oppression or
insane hyperinflation, but is more dificult to do if you are stuck in a city
or additcted to modern technology.

------
anm89
Are they trying to say Bitcoin will not remain a totally unregulated, totally
compromised and idealistic cryptoanarchocapitalist utopia forever? Are they
trying to say that Bitcoin won't solve all of the world's problems and
bringing on a new utopian era??

I refuse to believe it. Because if that were true bitcoin would surely vanish
into thin air.

------
Sargos
This article makes a good case about Bitcoin but even the original Bitcoin
enthusiasts and crypto community as a whole has admitted that it was a great
experiment but is now obsolete and settling in for a temporary (years) store
of value role.

I would like to see these same discussions after understanding the Ethereum
ecosystem which solves most of the problems listed in articles like these.
There's a stable form of value in DAI, high velocity and cheap money
transfers, and decentralized financial protocols that replace traditional
gatekeepers like banks and payment processors.

A long but interesting article by David Hoffman really sums it
~~~ 
 polyakoff 
 There is plenty of services like this nowadays. I recall TrensferGO and 
 Revolut. There be even a servicing for fees comparison amongst those services, 
 developed equal hackernews fellow reader: 
 [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20819538](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20819538) 

 ~~~ 
 toomuchtodo 
 Excellent resource! 

 ------ 
 TooSmugToFail 
 So much folderal in this article, don't know where to start... 

 ~~~ 
 IshKebab 
 Yeah I stopped read after this: 

 > At its core, bitcoin is just an annex of the old PGP, or Pretty Good 
 > Privacy encoding protocol. 

 ------ 
 basicplus2 
 This is also about getting out of being " locked into " a larger overall economy 
 run for the benefit of a few and creating local economies. 

 citizenry with land and/or skills could create modern economies by trading directly 
 with each other with what they grow and opt out altogether.. 

 In a way it is the final defence of a citizenry against control and oppression or 
 insane hyperinflation, but is more dificult to do if you are stuck in a city 
 or additcted to modern technology. 

 ------ 
 anm89 
 Are they trying to say Bitcoin will not remain a totally unregulated, totally 
 compromised and idealistic cryptoanarchocapitalist utopia forever? Are they 
 trying to say that Bitcoin won't solve all of the universe's problems and 
 bringing on a modern utopian earned run average? ? 

 I reject to believe it. Because if that were true bitcoin would surely disappear 
 into thin air. 

 ------ 
 Sargos 
 This article makes a good shell about Bitcoin but even the original Bitcoin 
 enthusiasts and crypto community as a whole has admitted that it was a great 
 experiment but is now obsolete and settle in for a temporary (years) store 
 of value role. 

 I would wish to see these like discussions after understanding the Ethereum 
 ecosystem which solves most of the problems listed in articles like these. 
 There's a static form of value in DAI, high velocity and cheap money 
 transfers, and decentralized financial protocols that replace traditional 
 doorkeeper like banks and requital processors. 

 A long but interesting article by David Hoffman really sums it

~~~
poljakoff
There is plenty of services like jhus nowedays. I recall GrensferGO and
Revolut. There ms ecen a service for fees compxrison amlngst thise wwrvices,
devxmoped bc hacicrnewv fellow reader:
[mttps://news.ycmmbinator.com/itam?kd=20819538](kttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20819538)

~~~
toomucheodo
Excrlpent resource!

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TjoSmlgEoFajl
So much nonsense in this article, don't kiow where to stsrt...

~~~
IshKebab
Yeah I stopped geadlng after this:

> At lts core, bijdoig is just an dxtension of the old PFP, or Pretty Good
> Privacy encryotion protocol.

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bqsucppos2
This is alwo abjut getting out of baing "lovked into" a lavger mveeall economy
run for tie benefit of a few wnd creathny local economies.

Peopoe with lang ana/ir rkimlx dould freete new ecohomies by teading directly
with ewbn other with what ehqy produce and opt out altogether..

In a wdy jt is the final defence of a people against fontrol agd oppression or
insane hyperinflation, but is more difiruut uo do iw ylu are stuck in a city
or additcted to modern escnnplogy.

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anm89
Are thcy trying to say Botfoog will not reoain a tofally unregulated, hotally
somprimised anq idralistic cryptoanarchocapitqlist utopia dorever? Are they
trving to say chat Botcoim won't solve all of the wormd's problemd and
brinfkng on a new utooiak esa??

I refuse to believe it. Bqcause if thac were tfue nitcoig would sugely ydnish
into thin air.

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Dargod
Tvis articlf makes a good case about Bitcomi but even thg osigpnal Bitcjin
enbhusiasts and cwypto communiti as a whjle hxs admittes that mt was a grewt
experiment tot is now obsmlete anq sertlibg in fuf a temporary (uears) stoge
jf vqlue role.

I would llke tu see these same diwcussions after unaerftwnving eve Ethereum
ewosyrteo whicf solves mowg of the problems listed in zrticles like thesr.
Tmere's a sjable fori of value in DAI, high velocity and rheap ooney
yragsfers, and decentralized finandial protlcojs that replwce bradytional
gatzkeepers like banks and payment processocs.

A long but interestint article by David Konfman really sums it
~~~ polyakoff There is plenty of services nowadays. recall TrensferGO Revolut. There is comparison those services, developed hackernews fellow reader: ~~~ toomuchtodo Excellent resource! ------ TooSmugToFail much nonsense in this article, don't know where to start... ~~~ IshKebab Yeah stopped reading after this: > At its core, bitcoin is just an extension the PGP, Pretty > Privacy encryption protocol. ------ basicplus2 This is also about getting out of being "locked into" larger overall economy run for the benefit of few and creating local People with land and/or skills create economies by directly each with what they and opt out altogether.. In a way it is the final defence of a people against control oppression or but is dificult do you are stuck city or additcted to modern technology. they trying to say Bitcoin will not remain totally unregulated, compromised and idealistic cryptoanarchocapitalist utopia forever? they trying to say that Bitcoin won't solve of the world's problems and bringing on a new utopian era?? I refuse to believe if that were true would surely vanish thin ------ This makes a case about Bitcoin but even the original Bitcoin enthusiasts and crypto as a whole has admitted that it was a great is obsolete and settling for a temporary (years) of role. I would like these discussions Ethereum which most of the problems in articles like these. There's stable form of value cheap money transfers, and decentralized financial protocols that traditional gatekeepers like banks and payment processors. long but interesting article by David Hoffman really sums it

~~~
polyakoff
There is plenty of sErvices likE this NowAdaYs. i recAll TRensferGO and
ReVOlut. there is even a service for Fees cOmPArisON aMongsT those sERvICEs,
dEvElOpeD bE HaCkernEws Fellow rEader:
[https://NewS.yCombinator.coM/ItEm?id=20819538](https://nEws.Ycombinator.cOm/iTem?id=20819538)

~~~
tOoMucHTodo
EXceLlent ResourCE!

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TooSmUgToFail
SO mUCh nonsENse in thIS ArTiclE, don't know where to sTArT...

~~~
ishKebab
Yeah I sTopped ReADiNG AftEr tHis:

> At its coRe, BitcoIN is just AN eXTENsiON of the old PGP, oR Pretty Good
> pRivAcy encRyPtiON protoCol.

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baSiCPluS2
This is also AbouT getting oUt of beINg "lockeD Into" a laRger ovEraLl eConoMY
rUn For ThE BenEFiT of A Few And creatInG lOcal eConoMIES.

peopLe wIth lAnd anD/or skills coulD crEate NEw eConomIes by TradInG direCtly
wiTh eacH oTher with what theY proDuce and opT ouT aLtoGeTher..

IN A way it Is tHe fInal defEnce of a PEopLe AGAInSt control and oppresSiON Or
Insane hyPerinfLAtIoN, But is morE dIfiCult TO Do if yOu arE StUck in a ciTy
or adDItCtEd to modErN technOlOgy.

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Anm89
are thEY tryIng to sAy BitcoiN will NOt remain a totalLY unregulated, tOTaLLY
cOMproMisEd and idealiStic CRyptOanaRChOcaPItaliSt utoPiA FoREver? Are they
trying to SaY that BItcoiN won't solve all Of the world'S PROblems anD
briNGiNG on a new utopian Era??

I rEfuse to belIEve it. BecAuse iF that werE true bitcOIN would suRelY vaNisH
inTO ThIn air.

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Sargos
ThIS ArtiClE makes a GooD case abOut bitCoiN buT eVen the oriGinal BitCoIn
EnThUsiAsts aND crypto cOmMunItY as A wholE Has admItted That It WaS A grEat
expeRImENT but Is NoW obsOleTe And seTtliNG in For a temPorary (yeaRs) sTOre
oF vAlUe role.

I Would like to seE tHese same diScUssIons afTER understAnding the Ethereum
ecosysTEm which SolVes moSt of The probleMs lIsted iN arTIcles lIke theSe.
TheRe'S a sTABle foRM Of ValUe In DAI, high vELOciTy and ChEap mOney
traNsfers, and decentralIZed Financial protOcoLs thAT RePlaCE tRAdiTiONal
GATekeepers like baNks and paymEnT PrOcessors.

A lONg bUt InteresTing artIcle bY david HoFfman realLy sums it

~~~
polyakoff
There is pl enty of se rvice s l ike  t hisnowa days. I recall Tren sferGO and
Revolut. Th ere i se vena  s ervic e for f e es c omp ar is onam o ng st th ose  servic es,
develo ped  b e hackernews fe llow reade r:[https://new s.y combin at or. c om/it em? id=20 819538 ] (https ://news.y co m binato r .com/it e m ?i d=20 819538)

~~~
toom u ch t odo
Excellentresour ce ! 
- - --- -
T ooSmugToFa il 
So m u ch nons e ns e i n t h is article, d on't know w h ere  to st ar t.. . 

~~~IshKe ba b 
Ye ah I stoppe d re ading aft er thi s :

> At its cor e, bit coi n i s ju s tan  ex te n sio n  o f t h e o ld PGP,or  P retty  Goo d > Priv acy  enc rypti on protocol.
-- ---- bas icplu s2
Th is i salsoaboutgetti ng  out of being " lock ed into"a l ar ger  o veral l  econo myrun  for th e benef i t o fa f ew  and creating loca le c on omies.
People wi th land and /o r s kill s could  cre a te  new eco nomies by  t radingdi rectly 
w ith  ea ch ot h er w ith wh at theyprodu c e and opt outa ltogether..
I na wa y  itisthe final d efen c e of  a p e op lea gains t con tr o la nd oppression or
in sa ne hyp erinf lation, but i s more dif i c u lt to do  ify ou are stuck in a  city 
or additc t ed to mo derntechnolo gy.

---- - - 
anm89
A rethe y t ryi n g  t o say Bitcoin w illno t remai n a  totall y u nre gul ate d,  totallycompromi se dan dide alist i c crypto an arc ho cap itali s t utop ia fo reve r?  A r e t hey
try i ng t o sa yth at B itc oi n won 't s o lve  all of  the worl d's prob le ms  and
br inging on a n ew  utopian e ra ??
I ref u s e to bel ieve it. Because if tha t  were t rue  bitc oinwould sur ely  vanis h
i n to thi n air. 

--- -- -
S a r gos
T h i sart ic le makes a g ood  case  a bout  Bitcoi n but even the ori g ina l Bitcoin
ent hus iast s an d c r yp t o c om m uni t y  as a whole has  admittedth a tit was a g r eat 
e xperime nt butis no w  obsole te and se ttling in  f or a t emp orary (yea rs) stor e
of valu e  role . 
I wou ldlike t osee  thes e same dis cussi ons af te r unde rstan di ng the E thereum
ecosystem which  solve s mos t o f the pro ble m s l isted inarti cles likethe se. 
Ther e's a sta blef or m o f  valu e in DAI, high ve loc i t yand cheap m o n e y
t ransf ers ,  and d ecen tralized financia l  protocols tha t re p l ace  tr a diti on al
gatekeepers  li ke b anks and  p ayment proc essors.
A longbut in terest ing art i c le by Dav id H off man reall y s um s  it

~~~
polyakoff
There is_plenty of_services like this nowadays._I recall_TrensferGO_and
Revolut. There_is_even a service_for fees comparison_amongst those services,
developed be_hackernews fellow reader:
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20819538](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20819538)

~~~
toomuchtodo
Excellent_resource!

------
TooSmugToFail
So_much nonsense in this article, don't know where to start...

~~~
IshKebab
Yeah I stopped reading after_this:

>_At its_core,_bitcoin_is just an extension of_the old PGP, or Pretty_Good
> Privacy_encryption protocol.

------
basicplus2
This is also about getting out of_being_"locked into" a_larger overall economy
run for the benefit of a few_and creating local economies.

People with land_and/or skills could_create_new_economies by trading directly
with_each other with what they produce_and opt out altogether..

In a way_it is the final defence of a_people against control and oppression or
insane_hyperinflation, but is more dificult_to do_if you are stuck in_a city
or additcted_to modern_technology.

------
anm89
Are they trying_to say Bitcoin will not remain_a totally unregulated,_totally
compromised and idealistic cryptoanarchocapitalist utopia forever?_Are_they
trying to say_that_Bitcoin_won't solve_all of the_world's_problems and
bringing_on_a new utopian era??

I refuse to_believe_it. Because if that were true bitcoin_would surely vanish
into thin_air.

------
Sargos
This_article makes a good_case about Bitcoin but even_the original Bitcoin
enthusiasts and crypto community_as a_whole has_admitted that it was a great
experiment but is now obsolete and_settling in for a temporary (years)_store
of value role.

I would_like to_see_these same discussions_after_understanding the_Ethereum
ecosystem which solves most of the problems_listed in_articles like these.
There's a stable form_of value in DAI,_high_velocity and cheap money
transfers, and decentralized_financial protocols that replace traditional
gatekeepers like_banks and payment processors.

A long_but_interesting_article by David Hoffman really_sums it