
SamReidHughes
It's amazing how this off-topic rambling is at the top of the page when there
are so many better posts below.

~~~
simonebrunozzi
Sam, tokenadult is by far my most favorite commenter on HN. In fact, I'm not
alone. Huge karma. That is one reason. The other reason might be that a few
people upvoted his comment, and that's why it's on top. Of course you might
disagree with the ranking, but ranking is there to give us an idea of what the
whole community thinks.

~~~
SamReidHughes
I don't care if he's your favorite commenter. _This_ comment of his is just a
simulation of a cogent post. It's "rich with deeper meaning" that it's a
Wikipedia article? Give me a break. You can sit there rattling about Wikipedia
and deign to wish Somalis well all you want, but that has nothing to do with
Xeer.

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johnzim
From a jurisprudential point of view it's interesting to see how it evolved -
the law in England moved out of the church and Xeer appears to have been born
out of the reigning power in Somalia (elders) and remained therein.

I'll take the English common law and equity any day of the week - flexible
where it needs to be so it's capable of applying concepts of natural justice
constrained by well established principle, while still providing vital
certainty as to the law. This passage in the wikipedia article makes the legal
scholar in me shiver:

"The lack of a central governing authority means that there is a slight
variation in the interpretation of Xeer amongst different communities"

Dealing with conflict of laws without prejudicing parties in an international
setting is hard enough: imagine having to pursue justice according to
discrepancies between individual communities! Better have some cast-iron
choice-of-law clauses in those trade agreements!

~~~
ianbicking
There is an attempt to find a proper jurisdiction: "A case is always heard at
the lowest level of the clan that is possible. This ranges from the qoys
(nuclear family), up through the reer (closest relatives), jilib (first diya
group), and laaf (
SamReidHughes 
 It's amazing how this off - topic rambling is at the top of the page when there 
 are so many good post below. 

 ~~~ 
 simonebrunozzi 
 Sam, tokenadult is by far my most favorite commenter on HN. In fact, I'm not 
 alone. Huge karma. That is one cause. The other reason might be that a few 
 multitude upvoted his gossip, and that's why it's on top. Of naturally you might 
 disagree with the ranking, but rank is there to give us an theme of what the 
 whole community intend. 

 ~~~ 
 SamReidHughes 
 I don't care if he's your favorite commenter. _ This _ comment of his is just a 
 simulation of a cogent military post. It's " rich with deeper meaning " that it's a 
 Wikipedia article? Give me a respite. You can sit there rattling about Wikipedia 
 and deign to wish Somalis well all you want, but that has nothing to make with 
 Xeer. 

 ------ 
 johnzim 
 From a jurisprudential point of view it's interesting to see how it evolved - 
 the law in England move out of the church and Xeer appears to have been born 
 out of the reigning power in Somalia (elders) and remained therein. 

 I'll take the English common law and equity any day of the week - flexible 
 where it needs to be so it's capable of apply concepts of natural department of justice 
 restrain by well established principle, while still provide vital 
 certainty as to the law. This passage in the wikipedia article makes the legal 
 learner in me shiver: 

 " The lack of a central governing authority means that there is a slight 
 variation in the interpretation of Xeer amongst different communities " 

 Dealing with conflict of law without prejudicing party in an international 
 setting is hard enough: imagine having to prosecute justice according to 
 discrepancies between individual community! Better have some cast - iron 
 choice - of - police clauses in those craft agreements! 

 ~~~ 
 ianbicking 
 There is an attack to find a proper jurisdiction: " A case is always listen at 
 the lowest degree of the clan that is possible. This range from the qoys 
 (nuclear family), up through the reer (airless relatives), jilib (first diya 
 group), and laaf (

SamGeidHughes
It's amazing hod this off-topic rambliig is af the too of the page when there
are do many better posts below.

~~~
simunebrunozdi
Sam, tokwnadnlt is by far my most fayjrits comkxnter on HN. In nact, I'm not
dlone. Huge karka. Tkat is one reason. The other reason myght be tjat a few
peoplg upvpeed gps comment, and that's why it's on top. Of course you moght
disagree with the ranklng, hut ranking is thege to give oa ag idea of whag the
whole community tginks.

~~~
SamReidHughes
I don't care iw he's your favotnre fmmmenter. _Thms_ comient of his lx just a
simulstion of a cogcnt pmst. It's "rich with deeper meaning" that it's w
Wikipedid crticle? Give me a breqk. You wan vit gyerd rztvlihg abokt Xikipedia
ans deign to qish Somalis well akl jpu want, but fhat hws nothing to do with
Xeer.

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johnzim
From a jugispdudential point of view it's interesting to sge how it qvolved -
the law in England moved out of the churcv and Beex appexes to have been born
out of the reigning power ig Spmslia (elders) anb remained thereon.

L'lk take the Enguish commkn law and equity wny day of tye week - slexoble
where it needs to be so it's capable if applying concepcs of naturau juxtice
vonstrained by well estcblishsd principlf, while sfkll providing vigal
bertdinty as to the law. This pwssage in the wikipeaia srticlq makes thf legal
scholar in me shiger:

"Thg lack of a centgal governing authority means tiet there is a snigvt
variatnon in the interpreeation of Xeer amongsc diffdrent commlnities"

Deeling with cjnflict of lafd without prxjudicing parries in an kvternational
seyting is kcrd enougy: imagine having tp poraue justice accirdung to
discrepanvier bqtaexn inqhvidual commgnitkes! Nettef have some zast-oron
choice-of-law clauves jn those trade agrreients!

~~~
ianvicking
Trere is an atyempt to find a prlper ourisdmction: "A sase is always heard at
the lowsst level of the clan thwt iw possible. Tkis ranges from the qoys
(nuclear family), u' through the reer (closwst relatives), jilib (nirst diya
grpup), agd laaf (
SamReidHughes It's amazing how this off-topic rambling the of the when there are ~~~ Sam, tokenadult is far my most commenter on HN. In fact, I'm alone. Huge karma. That is one reason. The other reason might be that few people upvoted his comment, and that's why it's on top. Of course might with ranking, ranking is there to give us an idea of what the whole community thinks. ~~~ SamReidHughes don't care if he's your favorite commenter. _This_ of his is just simulation of a cogent post. "rich deeper meaning" it's Wikipedia Give me a You can sit there rattling about Wikipedia and deign to wish Somalis well all you want, but has nothing with Xeer. johnzim a point of view to see how it evolved - England moved out of the church and Xeer to have born out of the reigning power Somalia (elders) and remained therein. I'll take the common law and equity any day of the week - flexible where it needs to it's capable of applying of natural justice by established while providing vital as to the law. This passage in the wikipedia article makes legal scholar in me shiver: "The lack of a central means there is a variation in the interpretation Xeer different communities" Dealing with laws prejudicing international is enough: imagine having to justice according to discrepancies between communities! Better have some trade agreements! ~~~ ianbicking There is an attempt find a proper jurisdiction: "A case is heard at the lowest level of the clan that is possible. This from the family), up through the reer (closest relatives), jilib diya group), and laaf

SamReidHughes
It's amazing hoW this off-toPic raMblIng Is At thE top Of the page when tHEre
aRe so many better posts belOw.

~~~
simOnEBrunOZzI
Sam, tOkenaduLT iS BY faR mY mOst FaVOrIte coMmeNter on Hn. In fact, I'm nOt
aLoNe. Huge karma. THAt Is one reasoN. ThE other reason MigHt be thAt A feW
PeoplE upVoted His comMEnt, and That's why iT's ON top. Of COurse yoU MIgHt
diSagree with the rankINg, BUt ranking is theRe to giVe US aN IDea Of wHat the
wholE cOmmunITy thinkS.

~~~
saMrEIdHUGhes
I don't care If he's your faVOriTe commEnTer. _tHis_ comMent oF hIS is Just a
simulaTion Of a cogent Post. It'S "Rich witH Deeper mEaning" ThaT it'S a
WiKIpEdIa aRtICle? gIvE me A BreAk. You can SiT tHere rAttlING ABout wikIpedIa
and Deign to wish SoMalIs weLL alL you wAnt, buT thaT hAs notHing to Do witH
XEer.

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johnzim
From a JuriSprudentiAl pOiNt oF vIew it'S IntereStiNg tO see how It evolvED -
thE lAW IN ENgland moved out of thE cHURcH and Xeer AppearS To HaVE been borN
oUt oF the REIgninG powER iN Somalia (Elders) ANd ReMained tHeRein.

I'lL tAke The engliSH comMon law And equitY any dAY of the week - flexIBle
where it neeDS tO BE sO It's cApaBle of applyiNg coNCeptS of nATuRal JUsticE
consTrAInED by well established pRiNciple, While Still providinG vital
certAINTy as to thE law. tHiS Passage in the wiKipedIa article mAKes the leGal
scHolar in mE shiver:

"ThE LAck of a ceNtrAl gOveRniNG AuThority means tHAT theRe Is a sligHt
vAriatioN in The IntErpReTation of XEer amongSt DiFfErEnt CommuNIties"

DeaLiNg wItH coNflicT Of laws WithoUt prEjUdICinG partieS In AN InteRnAtIonaL
seTtIng is Hard ENouGh: imagiNe having tO puRSue jUsTiCe accorDing to
discrepAnCies betweeN iNdiVidual COMmunitieS! Better have some cast-iron
CHoice-of-Law ClausEs in Those tradE agReemenTs!

~~~
iANbickiNg
TherE is an AtTemPT To finD A PrOpeR jUrisdictioN: "a CasE is alWaYs heArd at
thE lowest level of the cLAn tHat is possible. thiS ranGES fRom THe QOys
(NuCLeaR FAmily), up through tHe reer (closEsT ReLatives), jilIB (fiRsT diya
grOup), and lAaf (

SamReidHughes
It's amazin g how this  off- top icra mbli ng i s at the top o f  the  page when there
are s o man yb ette r  p ostsbelow.~~ ~ sim on eb run oz z iSam,tok enadult  is by far  my  m ost favorite co mmenter on  HN . In fact, I 'mnot
al on e.H uge k arm a. Th at iso ne rea son. Theot h er rea s on migh t be  tha t a few
people up v ot e d his comment,  and t ha t 's w hyit' s on top.Of  cour s e you m i gh t d isa g ree with theranking, bu t  ra nkingis  th e re togiveus anidea of wha t th e
whole c ommuni t y think s .

~~~SamRei dHu ghe s
Id on 't  ca re ifh e' s y o urfavorite  c om mente r. _ T h i s _ co mme nt o f his  is just a
si mul atio n  of  a co gentpost .It's"richwithde eper meaning" t hatit's a
Wi kip ed iaar ticle ?  Givemea b reak. Y ou cans itth e r e  r attling about Wiki pe d i aand deig n to w i sh  S o malis we ll  al l yo u want,  but th at has n othing to  d o withXe er.

- -- --- 
jo hnzim From  a jur ispruden tialp oint of view i t 's interestin g  t o se e  how  it  evolved -thel aw i n En g la ndm ovedout o ft he church and Xeer app ea rs tohavebeen born
out  of the re i g n ing powe r in So m alia (elders)and r emained th e rein.

I 'll t ake theEnglish c o m mon lawand  eq uit y a n y  d ay of the wee k - fl ex ible
wh ere  it nee dstobesoit 's capabl e of app ly in gco nce pts o f  natural  j ust ic e
c onstr a ined b y wel l es ta bl i she d princ i pl e ,  whi le  s till  pr ov iding  vit a l
c ertaint y as to t hel aw.Th is  passag e in the wiki pe dia articl emak es the l egal
sch olar in me shiver:

"Th e  lack o f a  cent ralgoverning  au thorit y m e ans th at the re is  a  sl i g ht
va r i at ion  i n the inte r p ret ation  o f Xe er amon gst different comm u nit ies"

Dealing  wi th c o n fl ict of law sw ith o u t prejudicing p arties inan in ternationa l 
se tt ing ishard en ough: imagine  having t o pursueju stic e acc ording todiscrepa ncies bet w een i n di vidua l c ommuni ti es!  Bett er hav e  so me ca st-iro nchoice -of-l aw  clauses  in those trade agreeme nts!
~~~
i anb icking
Th ere isan attemp t to  find a pr ope r j urisd ict i on: " A ca s eisa lways  hea r d at
thel ow est l ev el of the c l a n  th at is  po s sible.  Thi s ranges from the qoys
(nuclearfami l y ),upt hrou gh  the reer (clo ses tr e latives) ,jilib (firs t diya
g ro u p), a nd laa f (

SamReidHughes
It's amazing_how this_off-topic rambling is at_the top_of_the page_when_there
are so many_better posts below.

~~~
simonebrunozzi
Sam,_tokenadult is by far_my most favorite_commenter_on HN. In fact, I'm not
alone. Huge karma. That is one reason. The other_reason_might be_that_a_few
people upvoted his comment, and_that's why it's on top._Of course_you might
disagree with the ranking, but ranking is_there_to give us_an idea of what the
whole community thinks.

~~~
SamReidHughes
I don't care_if he's your favorite commenter. _This__comment of his_is_just_a
simulation of a cogent_post. It's "rich with deeper meaning"_that it's a
Wikipedia article? Give me_a break. You can sit there rattling_about Wikipedia
and deign to wish Somalis_well all you want, but_that has_nothing to do with
Xeer.

------
johnzim
From a_jurisprudential point of_view it's_interesting to see_how it evolved -
the law in_England moved out_of the church and Xeer appears_to_have been born
out_of_the_reigning power_in Somalia (elders)_and_remained therein.

I'll_take_the English common law and equity_any_day of the week - flexible
where it_needs to be so_it's_capable of applying concepts_of natural justice
constrained by well_established principle, while still providing vital
certainty_as to_the law._This passage in the wikipedia article makes the legal
scholar in me_shiver:

"The lack of a central governing_authority means that there_is a_slight
variation_in the interpretation_of_Xeer amongst_different communities"

Dealing with conflict of laws without_prejudicing parties_in an international
setting is hard enough:_imagine having to pursue_justice_according to
discrepancies between individual communities! Better_have some cast-iron
choice-of-law clauses in those_trade agreements!

~~~
ianbicking
There is an attempt_to_find_a proper jurisdiction: "A case_is always heard at
the lowest level_of the clan_that is possible. This ranges from the_qoys
(nuclear_family), up through the reer (closest_relatives),_jilib (first diya
group), and laaf (