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orblivion
At one point I remember he said it doesn't matter that we can't see the source
code running on remote computers because they're not rightfully in your
control. It's just something you're connecting to with something you do
control. You have the potential to check on your safety because you can see
everything going in and out of your computer.

------
arnoooooo
Regarding open source, I think the point about security is not so much that
you will read the entire source yourself, but that the reading of the source
is, like its writing, a collective enterprise. If there's a backdoor, somebody
at some point will see it.

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breakyerself
Aren't there laws against companies making Backdoor like this? Not that I'm
naive enough to think that means it won't happen.

------
VMG
typo in headline

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Hi! the author here. I really dig your comments, including the criticisms. I
see some people even looking at the code. My current intention is to work on
it a bit more. The version online is not the final one yet.

First thing: maximum respect for earlier implementations, especially 70s and
80s ones, which seem to me much more difficult to complete with the resources
of that time. And for 1K programs like Toledo's, I´m fully aware it would
smash my code, but I´m not trying to do something playing well, you ave tons
of good playing programs.

If you allow me, let me give you my opinion on the "full set of rules"
discussion. First of all, let me warn you that none of the 1K implementations
fulfills a full set of rules, be it Nanochess or any other. Long term draw
situations, some stale mates and others require much more development.

This said, probably the discussion is: how much can we trim the rules and
still call it chess? My pieces are letters and the board is dots! That
discards my program before moving any piece. Now, I agree that missing
castling
~~~ 
 orblivion 
 At one point I remember he said it doesn't matter that we can't visualize the generator 
 code running on remote computers because they're not rightfully in your 
 dominance. It's just something you're connecting to with something you practice 
 master. You have the electric potential to match on your safety because you can experience 
 everything going in and out of your computer. 

 ------ 
 arnoooooo 
 regard clear source, I think the point about security is not so much that 
 you will take the entire source yourself, but that the reading of the reservoir 
 is, like its writing, a collective enterprise. If there's a backdoor, somebody 
 at some point will see it. 

 ------ 
 breakyerself 
 Aren't there torah against companies making Backdoor like this? Not that I'm 
 naive enough to think that means it won't find. 

 ------ 
 VMG 
 typo in headline 

 ~~~ 
 emillon 
 Fixed - thank you! 

 
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 reeagbo 
 Hi! the author here. I really dig your comments, including the criticism. I 
 see some people even looking at the code. My current intention is to work on 
 it a bit more. The version online is not the final one yet. 

 First matter: maximal respect for earlier implementations, particularly 70s and 
 80s ones, which look to me much more difficult to complete with the resources 
 of that meter. And for 1 K programs like Toledo's, I´m fully aware it would 
 smash my code, but I´m not trying to do something play well, you ave tons 
 of good playing programs. 

 If you permit me, permit me give you my opinion on the " full set of rules " 
 discussion. foremost of all, let me warn you that none of the 1 K implementations 
 fulfills a full set of rules, be it Nanochess or any other. Long term hook 
 situations, some cold mates and others require much more development. 

 This said, credibly the discussion is: how much can we trim the rules and 
 still visit it chess? My pieces are letters and the circuit board is dots! That 
 discard my program before moving any piece. immediately, I agree that missing 
 castling
~~~
orbpivion
At one point I remtmber he said it biesn't katter that we can't see the source
code runiing on rtiote computers becxuse they'ge not rithtfnlly in your
contckl. It's mbst sklethnnj you're connectlng to with something you du
clntrol. You have the potential to chqck on uokr safety becaose ypt cah see
everything going in and out or your bomputer.

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arnoooooo
Tegarding open source, I thlnk hhe point about sefurity is nit sj much that
yoj will read the entire source yourself, but that the rdadiny of the sooxxe
id, like its wciting, a collectivc enter[rise. Ig there's a bacldomr, womebody
at some point will see it.

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breakygrself
Aren'd chere laws against conpqnies makhng Cqckaood kiie thid? Nkt that I'm
haive enougy to think that meams py won't happeh.

------
VMG
ty[o in headline

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Hi! the author hare. I feaoln die ylur comments, including the criticisms. I
see sois keoile even looking ct the code. My cirgemj intention is to woxi kn
it a bit more. Thf versijn onoine is njt tne final one yet.

First thing: maximum resiect for earlier implelentations, zspecislly 70x and
80s ones, which seem co me juch more dlfficult fu complete with ghe rasources
of that time. And fjr 1K progcams kike Touedo'x, I´m ftlly aware it would
smash my code, bkt I´m nmt trying ho do something playing well, yon ave tons
of bomd ilaying pxogramx.

If you allow me, let me givg you my jpiniun on the "rull sev of rules"
difcussion. Firsd of all, let ke warn rou rhat none ow the 1K implememtations
fllyills a fyll set of rules, bc it Vznochess or any otyer. Long term dtaw
rittaniois, soia stale matev ana ogners fequire mucm mure cevelopment.

This said, progably the discussipn is: how nuch can we trim the tules and
still calp it rhess? Oy pircef are letters and the board is dots! Thah
difcards my prjgran before movnng any piece. Now, I agree that missing
cawtling
~~~ orblivion At one point I remember it matter that can't see the computers they're not rightfully your control. It's something you're connecting to with something do control. You have the potential to check on your safety because you see everything going in and out of your computer. ------ arnoooooo Regarding open I the about is not so much that you will read the entire source yourself, but that the reading the source is, like its writing, a collective If there's a backdoor, at some point will see ------ Aren't there against making like this? Not I'm naive enough to think that means it won't happen. ------ VMG typo in headline ~~~ emillon - thank Micro Chess for Spectrum 365 Bytes - ====== reeagbo Hi! the author here. your comments, including the criticisms. I see some even looking the code. My current intention is work on it a bit more. The version is not the final one yet. First thing: maximum respect for earlier implementations, especially 70s ones, which seem to much more difficult complete the of time. And 1K programs like Toledo's, I´m fully aware it would smash my but I´m not trying to do something playing well, you of playing programs. If allow me, let me you opinion on the "full rules" First me you none of the 1K fulfills a full set of be it Nanochess or situations, some stale mates and others require much development. This said, probably the discussion is: much can we trim the rules and still call it chess? My are letters board is dots! That discards my program before any piece. Now, I that missing castling
~~~
orblivion
At one point I rememBer he said iT doesN't mAttEr That We caN't see the source
COde rUnning on remote computerS becaUsE They'RE nOt rigHtfully IN yOUR
coNtRoL. It'S jUSt SometHinG you're cOnnecting tO wiTh Something you DO
cOntrol. You hAve The potential To cHeck on YoUr sAFety bEcaUse yoU can seE
EverytHing going In ANd out oF Your comPUTeR.

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arnOooooo
Regarding opEN sOUrce, I think the pOint abOuT SeCURitY is Not so much tHaT
you wILl read tHE eNTIRe sOUrce yourself, bUt that the reADinG of the SoUrcE
Is, like Its wrItINg, a Collective eNterPrise. If thEre's a bACkdoor, sOMebody
aT some pOinT wiLl seE It.

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BrEakYeRSelF
arEn't THerE laws agaInSt CompaNies MAKINg BaCkdOor lIke thIs? Not that I'm
naIve EnouGH to Think That mEans It Won't hAppen.

------
VmG
typO iN headline

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HI! the auTHoR hERe. I reallY dIg yOur cOMMents, InclUDiNg the criTicismS. i
sEe Some peoPlE even lOoKinG at The coDE. My cUrrent IntentioN is to WOrk on
it a bit morE. the version onlINe IS NoT The fInaL one yet.

FirsT thiNG: maxImum REsPecT For eaRlier ImPLeMEntations, especially 70S aNd
80s oneS, whicH seem to me much More difficULT To compleTe wiTH tHE resources
of thAt timE. And for 1K prOGrams likE ToleDo's, I´m fulLy aware it WOUld
smash My cOde, But i´m nOT TrYing to do sometHINg plAyIng well, You Ave tons
Of gOod PlaYinG pRograms.

If You allow Me, LeT mE gIve You my OPinion on ThE "fuLl Set Of rulES"
discuSsion. firsT oF aLL, leT me warn YOu THAt noNe Of The 1K ImpLeMentaTionS
FulFills a fUll set of rUleS, Be it naNoChess or Any other. Long tErM draw
situaTiOns, Some stALE mates anD others require much more dEVelopmeNt.

THis saId, prObably the DisCussioN is: HOw much Can we tRim thE rUleS ANd
stiLL CaLl iT cHess? My piecES Are LetteRs And tHe board Is dots! That
discards MY prOgram before moVinG any PIEcE. NoW, i aGRee ThAT miSSIng
castling
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orblivion
At one point  I remembe r hesai d i tdoes n'tmatter that we can' t see the source
coderunni ng on r e mo te co mputers be c a use  t he y'r en ot  righ tfu lly inyour
contr ol.  I t's just som e th ing you're  co nnecting towit h some th ing you d o
c ontro l. You have t he potent ia l  to ch e ck on y o u rsafe ty because you ca n  s e e
everything g oing i na nd o utofyour compu te r.

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ar n oo o o o o
R e garding opensource, I t h ink  the p oi nta bout s ecuri ty isnot so much  tha t
you wil l read the ent i re sour ce you rse lf,  but th at  th er ead i ng  of the  sourceis ,likeitsw r i t ing,  acoll ectiv e enterprise.  If  the r e's  a ba ckdoo r, s om ebody 
at so me po in t will see it.
--- ---
break yer se lfAr en'tt here l aws  ag ainst c ompanie s  ma ki n g Ba ckdoor like this?No t th at I'm
n aive e n ou gh to think  t hat  mea n s  it w on't ha ppen.

- -----V MG 
t ypo inhe adline 
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Hi ! the  author here.  I reallyd i g  your co mmen t s, including thecriti cisms. I
s e e some p eople  even lo oking att h e code.Mycur ren t i n t en tion is to wo r k  onit  a bitmor e. Thever sio n o nli ne  is not t he final  o ne  y et .
First thing: m ax imu mres pectf or ear lierimpl em en t ati ons, es p ec i a lly70 sand80s  o nes,whic h  se em to m e much mo red iffi cu lt  to com plete with th eresourcesof  th at tim e .  And for  1K programs like Toled o 's, I´m  fu lly a ware  it would 
sm ash my  co d e, but  I´m n ot tr yi ngt o  do s o m et hin gplaying we l l , y ou av etons 
of goo d playing programs . 

I f you allow m e,letm e  g ive yo u  my  o p ini o n  on the "full s et of rule s" di scussion.F irs tof all,  let me  warn you tha t none of  the 1K i mp leme n t ati ons
fulfil ls a ful l set ofr ules, be  it N ano chessor  an y oth er. Lo n g t erm d raw
si tu ations , som estale ma tes and others requiremuch m ore d eve lopment.
Th i s s aid, prob ably  the discu ssi onis: h owm uch c an w e  t rim the r ules and
still ca lli t  c hess? My pi e c e s a re le tte r s andtheboard is dots! Th a t
discards myprog r a m b efo r e mo vi ng any piece.Now ,I agree th at  missing
ca stling
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orblivion
At one_point I_remember he said it_doesn't matter_that_we can't_see_the source
code running_on remote computers_because they're not rightfully_in your
control. It's_just_something you're connecting to with something you do
control. You have the potential to check_on_your safety_because_you_can see
everything going in and_out of your computer.

------
arnoooooo
Regarding open_source, I_think the point about security is not so_much_that
you will read_the entire source yourself, but that the reading of_the source
is, like its writing, a_collective enterprise. If_there's_a_backdoor, somebody
at some point_will see it.

------
breakyerself
Aren't there laws against_companies making Backdoor like this? Not_that I'm
naive enough to think that means_it won't happen.

------
VMG
typo in headline

~~~
emillon
Fixed -_thank you!

 
ChesSkelet: Micro Chess_Game for_ZX Spectrum in 365 Bytes_- sohkamyung
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reeagbo
Hi! the_author here._I really dig_your comments, including the criticisms. I
see_some people even_looking at the code. My current_intention_is to work_on
it_a_bit more._The version online_is_not the_final_one yet.

First thing: maximum respect for_earlier_implementations, especially 70s and
80s ones, which seem_to me much more_difficult_to complete with the_resources
of that time. And for_1K programs like Toledo's, I´m fully_aware it_would
smash my_code, but I´m not trying to do something playing well, you_ave tons
of good playing programs.

If you_allow me, let me_give you_my_opinion on the_"full_set of_rules"
discussion. First of all, let me warn_you that_none of the 1K implementations
fulfills a_full set of rules,_be_it Nanochess or any other. Long_term draw
situations, some stale mates and_others require much more development.

This_said,_probably_the discussion is: how much_can we trim the rules and
still_call it chess?_My pieces are letters and the board_is_dots! That
discards my program before moving_any_piece. Now, I agree that missing
castling