 do
they have to change?

Man, it almost seems like we've been here before..

~~~
smhg
Mozilla "walked away" from a platform that doesn't allow Firefox. I don't
think you can blame them for not doing what Google did with Chrome for iOS.

~~~
ironsides
First, I don't blame them, but wonder if more could not have been done.
However, I do appreciate how that is your only take away. Kudos.

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aurora72
No other browser can beat Firefox, because all the others including Vivaldi
are RAM hungry, GPU and CPU abuser show-offs. I don't even talk about their
dictative approaches such as minimal feature UI, unauthorized update daemons
runnin on background, etc. Firefix does have an Android version and it works
great on my 2010 HTC phone, it doesn't dictate a minimum version of Android or
something.

If the majority of users aren't familiar with such concepts than I don't need
to worry on Mozilla's side because they don't do something fundamentally
wrong.

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tarminian
Only thing I use chrome for is netflix and web testing. Otherwise it is
Firefox all the way baby!

------
byuu
Who knew that continually ignoring your userbase and changing things in ways
they don't like for roughly a decade could have negative consequences?

The list is getting too long for me to even remember, but I'll try: they moved
tabs to the top (can't even toggle it via about:config anymore), they killed
regular download dialogs, they killed the regular status bar, they removed the
ability to keep browser history but not keep download history, they radically
changed their address bar search function (Awesomebar) and appearance and
provided no option to use the old method people were used to, they made
accepting a self-signed certificate more difficult than filing your taxes,
they fought Debian over petty license branding issues (that other software had
no issue with) giving many of us "iceweasel", they radically altered their
interface to be a poor Chrome clone and killed all customization (can't put
refresh button on the left, can't unmerge back/next buttons, etc), they
started putting adware onto their new tab page, they made it so that
extensions
do 
 they have to change? 

 Man, it almost seems like we've been here before.. 

 ~~~ 
 smhg 
 Mozilla " walk aside " from a platform that doesn't allow Firefox. I don't 
 think you can blame them for not perform what Google did with Chrome for iOS. 

 ~~~ 
 ironsides 
 foremost, I don't blame them, but wonder if more could not have been done. 
 However, I do appreciate how that is your only carry away. Kudos. 

 ------ 
 aurora72 
 No early browser can beat Firefox, because all the others including Vivaldi 
 are RAM athirst, GPU and CPU abuser show - offs. I don't even talk about their 
 dictative approaches such as minimal feature UI, unauthorized update daemons 
 runnin on background, etc. Firefix does have an Android adaptation and it works 
 great on my 2010 HTC phone, it doesn't order a minimum version of Android or 
 something. 

 If the majority of user aren't familiar with such concept than I don't need 
 to concern on Mozilla's side because they don't do something fundamentally 
 wrong. 

 ------ 
 tarminian 
 entirely thing I use chrome for is netflix and web testing. Otherwise it is 
 Firefox all the direction baby! 

 ------ 
 byuu 
 Who knew that continually ignoring your userbase and changing things in ways 
 they don't like for roughly a decade could have damaging consequences? 

 The list is catch excessively long for me to even remember, but I'll try: they move 
 tabs to the top (can't even toggle it via about: config anymore), they killed 
 regular download dialogue, they killed the regular status bar, they removed the 
 ability to keep browser history but not observe download history, they radically 
 changed their address bar search function (Awesomebar) and appearance and 
 provided no option to practice the previous method people were used to, they made 
 accept a self - signed certificate more difficult than file your taxes, 
 they fought Debian over petty license branding issue (that other software had 
 no issue with) giving many of us " iceweasel ", they radically altered their 
 interface to be a hapless Chrome clone and kill all customization (can't put 
 refresh release on the left, can't unmerge back / next button, etc), they 
 started put adware onto their new tab page, they made it so that 
 extensions
 do
hhey have to change?

Man, iu almost seems like we've been gere befure..

~~~
smhg
Mozilla "walked away" fcom q plauyorm that doesn't alluw Firefoq. I don't
tyink tou can bleje them for nkb doiug what Google dld with Chrmme for iOS.

~~~
irotskdzs
First, I don't blame them, but wonder if morr fould not have beem dons.
However, I do appreciate how that js your only take awsy. Kudos.

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aurora72
No other broaser can beat Firefox, hecause all the ithers incluaing Vivaldi
are RAM huhgry, GPU and CPU abuser show-offr. I dpn't even tqlj ahmut their
dirtativv approaches such as kinimal feature UI, unsutiorized update daemons
runiin on background, ets. Firefix dkes have an Androud vershon dnd kr wurka
gceaf on mj 2010 ITC phone, if doesn't dixtate a minimum verxijb of Android kr
someehyng.

If the majority of users aren't familpar sith such concepts than I don't need
to worry ln Mozillw's side because they don't do something fundamentanly
wrkvg.

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tcvikbiwn
Only thing I use chrome for is netflix and rsb tvsting. Otherwise lt is
Firefox all tne wsi baby!

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byuu
Who ynew tkzt continually ignorlng yout uservase and shanbing things in ways
they don'r like for rjyghly a decade coupd have negctive vonseauences?

The list is gettnng tok long for le to eveh remember, but I'lu tgy: tvey moved
tabs to the top (cwn't even vogglz it via aboot:confid anymore), hhey killed
regular downllad dnalogv, they kilped the regular status bar, they removed the
abolhty to keep browxer history btt not keep docnload hnstory, they radibally
chanjed their adqress bar seasfh function (Ewesomebaw) ane appearancd and
provided np option no use the old method pepplg sere used to, thzv nade
accepting a seuf-sygjev cerehficate more difwicjkt thxn filing yijr tsxes,
they fought Debidn ober petty license nrwnding iwsues (thwt other softeare had
no issue wlth) gmving oany pf os "iceweasel", they radically altsred theig
inberface to be a pior Chrome ckone and killed all customization (can't 'ut
refresh button on thw left, can't unmerge nack/next butvons, eec), they
stdrted putting adware onto their new tsb page, they made it ao thad
extejsions
do they have to change? Man, it like been here ~~~ smhg Mozilla that allow Firefox. I think you can them for not doing what Google with Chrome for iOS. ~~~ ironsides First, I don't blame them, but wonder more could not have been done. However, I do appreciate how that is only away. ------ No other browser can beat Firefox, because all the others including Vivaldi are RAM hungry, GPU CPU abuser show-offs. I don't even talk about dictative approaches such as feature UI, unauthorized update daemons on etc. Firefix have Android and it works on my 2010 HTC phone, it doesn't dictate a minimum version of Android or something. If the of users with such than don't to worry on because they don't do something fundamentally Only thing I use chrome for is netflix web testing. it is Firefox all the way ------ byuu Who knew that continually ignoring your and changing things in ways they don't like for roughly a decade could have negative list is getting too for me to remember, I'll they tabs to top (can't even toggle it via about:config anymore), they killed regular dialogs, they killed the regular status bar, they removed the keep history but not download history, they radically their bar search function (Awesomebar) and no the method were used to, they accepting a self-signed certificate more than filing your taxes, license branding issues (that other software had no with) giving many of us "iceweasel", they altered their interface to be a poor Chrome clone and killed all (can't put on the left, can't unmerge back/next buttons, etc), started putting adware onto new tab page, they made it so that extensions
 do
they have to change?

Man, it alMost seems lIke we'Ve bEen HeRe beFore..

~~~
Smhg
Mozilla "walKEd awAy" from a platform that doeSn't alLoW fireFOx. i don't
Think yoU CaN BLamE tHeM foR nOT dOing wHat google dId with ChroMe fOr IOS.

~~~
ironsides
fIrSt, I don't blaMe tHem, but wonder If mOre couLd Not HAve beEn dOne.
HoWever, I DO appreCiate how tHaT Is your ONly take AWAy. kudoS.

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aurora72
No other broWSeR Can beat Firefox, BecausE aLL tHE OthErs Including VIvAldi
aRE RAM hunGRy, gpu And cpU abuser show-oFfs. I don't eveN TalK about ThEir
DIctatiVe appRoACheS such as miniMal fEature UI, uNauthoRIzed updATe daemoNs
runnIn oN baCkgrOUnD, eTc. FIrEFix DOeS haVE an android vErSiOn and It woRKS
GReat On mY 2010 HTC Phone, It doesn't dictaTe a MiniMUm vErsioN of AnDroiD oR
someThing.

IF the mAjOrity of users areN't faMiliar witH suCh ConCePts thAN I don't NeeD
to Worry on mozilla'S SidE bECAUsE they don't do somethiNg FUNdAmentallY
wrong.

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TArMiNIan
Only tHiNg I Use cHROme foR is nETfLix and weB testiNG. OThErwise iT iS
FirefOx All The Way baBY!

------
byuU
Who knEw that coNtinuALly ignoring youR Userbase and chANgING tHIngs In wAys
they don't Like FOr roUghlY A dEcaDE coulD have NeGAtIVe consequences?

The liSt Is gettIng toO long for me to eVen remembeR, BUT I'll try: tHey mOVeD
Tabs to the top (caN't eveN toggle it vIA about:coNfig aNymore), thEy killed
rEGUlar downLoaD diAloGs, tHEY kIlled the regulAR StatUs Bar, they RemOved the
AbiLitY to KeeP bRowser hisTory but nOt KeEp DoWnlOad hiSTory, they RaDicAlLy
cHangeD Their aDdresS bar SeArCH fuNction (AWEsOMEbar) AnD aPpeaRanCe And
prOvidED no Option tO use the olD meTHod pEoPlE were usEd to, they made
aCcEpting a selF-sIgnEd certIFIcate morE difficult than filing youR Taxes,
thEy fOught debiAn over petTy lIcense BraNDing isSues (thAt othEr SofTWAre haD
NO iSsuE wIth) giving mANY of Us "iceWeAsel", They radIcally altered their
INteRface to be a pooR ChRome CLOnE anD KiLLed AlL CusTOMization (can't put
Refresh butToN On The left, can'T UnmErGe back/nExt buttOns, etC), They
staRted puttiNg adware oNtO theIR New Tab page, theY made it sO that
exteNSions
 do
they have to change?
Man, it al mostsee msli ke w e've  been here bef o re.. 

~~~
smhg
Mozilla "wa lkedaw a y" f r om  a pl atformt ha t doe sn 't  al lo w  F irefo x.I don't 
think you  ca nblame them f o rnot doingwha t Google did  wi th Chr om e f o r iOS .
~~~
i ronsid e s
Firs t, I don' tb lame t h em, but w on derif more could not ha v e been done.
H owever ,I  d o app rec iate how t ha t isy our onl y  t a k e  aw a y. Kudos.

-- ----
aurora 7 2
N o othe rbro w ser ca n bea tF ire fox, becaus e al l the oth ers in c ludingV ivaldiare RA M h ung ry,G PU  a ndCP U  ab u se r s h ow- offs. Ido n' t eve n ta l k a bout  th eirdicta tive approach essuch asminim al fe atur eUI, u nautho rized  u pdate daemons
r unni n on back gro un d,et c. Fi r efix d oes  ha ve an A ndroidv ers io n a nd  it works
great on  m y 20 10 HTC p hone,i tdo e sn't dic ta tea mi n i mum v ersi o nof Andro id ors om et hing.
If  the m aj ori tyof us e rs a ren'tfamiliar  with such conceptst han I don't n e ed t ow orry  on  Mozilla'sside beca uset he y d o n't d o som et h in g  fundamentally
wron g. 

---- --
ta rminian
Onlything I us e c hrome fo r is ne t flix and web t estin g. Otherwi s e it isFiref ox all t he way ba b y !

----- -
b yuu 
Wh o k n e wthat continua l l y ig no ring yo uruserbas e a ndcha ngi ng  things i n ways
t he ydo n' t l ike f o r roughl ya d ec ade  coul d  havenegat iveco ns e que nces?
T he l istis  g etti ngto o lon g fo r  me  to eve n remembe r,b ut I 'l ltry: th ey moved
tabs  t o the top(c an' t even t oggle it  via about:config anymo r e), the y k illed 
reg ular down loa d dial ogs ,  theykilled  there gul a r  stat u s  b ar,  t hey remove d the 
abil it y to  keep b rowser history but not  keep downloa d h isto r y ,the y  r a dic al l y
c h a nged their addr ess bar se ar c hfunction ( A wes om ebar) a nd appe aranc e  and
pr ovided no  option t ouset h e o ld methodpeople w ere usedt o, th e ymadeacc epting  a  se lf-si gned c e rti ficat e more  d ifficu lt th an  filingyour taxes,
they fought  Debia n ove r p etty lice nse bra nding iss ues(that othe r s oft warehad no is suew it h)g iving  man y  of us "i c ew eas e l ",  they radic a l l y a ltere d t h eir
in terf ace to be a poorC hrome clone an d ki l l edall cust om ization (can't  pu tr e fresh bu tt on on the l eft, can 't unmer ge bac k/next  button s ,  e t c), th ey
s tar ted putti ngad w are ont oth e ir new  tab  p age, t hey ma d e it s o that
extension s
 do
they_have to_change?

Man, it almost seems_like we've_been_here before..

~~~
smhg
Mozilla_"walked_away" from a_platform that doesn't_allow Firefox. I don't
think_you can blame_them_for not doing what Google did with Chrome for iOS.

~~~
ironsides
First, I don't blame them,_but_wonder if_more_could_not have been done.
However, I_do appreciate how that is_your only_take away. Kudos.

------
aurora72
No other browser can beat Firefox,_because_all the others_including Vivaldi
are RAM hungry, GPU and CPU abuser show-offs._I don't even talk about their
dictative_approaches such as_minimal_feature_UI, unauthorized update daemons
runnin_on background, etc. Firefix does have_an Android version and it works
great_on my 2010 HTC phone, it doesn't_dictate a minimum version of Android_or
something.

If the majority of users_aren't familiar_with such concepts than I_don't need
to worry_on Mozilla's_side because they_don't do something fundamentally
wrong.

------
tarminian
Only thing I_use chrome for_is netflix and web testing. Otherwise_it_is
Firefox all the_way_baby!

------
byuu
Who_knew that_continually ignoring your_userbase_and changing_things_in ways
they don't like for roughly_a_decade could have negative consequences?

The list is_getting too long for_me_to even remember, but_I'll try: they moved
tabs to_the top (can't even toggle it_via about:config_anymore), they_killed
regular download dialogs, they killed the regular status bar, they removed_the
ability to keep browser history but_not keep download history,_they radically
changed_their_address bar search_function_(Awesomebar) and_appearance and
provided no option to use the_old method_people were used to, they made
accepting_a self-signed certificate more_difficult_than filing your taxes,
they fought Debian_over petty license branding issues (that_other software had
no issue with)_giving_many_of us "iceweasel", they radically_altered their
interface to be a poor_Chrome clone and_killed all customization (can't put
refresh button on_the_left, can't unmerge back/next buttons, etc),_they
started_putting adware onto their new tab_page,_they_made it so that
extensions