ovation, I'm surprised at all the negativity here. Not a mention of the 2
months of free gigabit internet they're giving to customers. Yea, Google Fiber
is just a bunch of soulless profiteering corporate jackasses /eyeroll/.

~~~
haylcron
I have family in Louisville and visit on a regular basis and have seen the
issues firsthand. The microtrenching has caused and will continue to cause
damage to the streets. The rubber sealant is commonly free from the trench and
potholes form quickly. These are fixed by tax dollars and there is not a quick
fix short of repaving every street.

The community here isn’t digging on Google trying to innovate. The anger comes
from a highly successful company taking a risk, seeing it fail, and just
peacing out leaving others to clean up the mess.

~~~
coryfklein
Did Google Fiber agree to do the road maintenance going forward? Sounds like
the city council was probably the group that decided to shoulder the risk of
damaged roads.

If Google Fiber misrepresented their microtrenching then that would certainly
be fraud and they would be liable for damages.

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crushcrashcrush
Can post-2010 Google execute on anything "all the way" through?

Is there some sort of institutional ADD?

~~~
rifung
> Is there some sort of institutional ADD?

I work at Google, opinions are my own.

Obviously this is my personal take, but I don't think that's what it is.

To me the issue is the performance/rewards system. Imagine you're someone high
up and in charge of 10 projects, all asking for headcount/resources, while you
have a limited amount to give. Presumably you're going to give more
headcount/resources to the projects that are growing faster. If the
differences in growth are substantial, maybe you'll decide to actually just
let some projects die so their teams can be absorbed into the other projects
with better prospects.

Google's performance system is an attempt at being really objective, and it's
hard to put a precise value on goodwill lost by discontinuing a product. Not
only that, but the effects of discontinuing a product are felt company-wide as
opposed to by an individual. Nobody is going to
ovation, I'm surprised at all the negativity here. Not a mention of the 2 
 months of free gigabit internet they're give to customer. Yea, Google Fiber 
 is just a bunch of soulless profiteer corporate jack /eyeroll/. 

 ~~~ 
 haylcron 
 I have family in Louisville and travel to on a regular basis and have see the 
 issues firsthand. The microtrenching has caused and will cover to cause 
 damage to the streets. The arctic sealant is commonly free from the trench and 
 potholes form quickly. These are sterilize by tax dollars and there is not a quick 
 localization short of repaving every street. 

 The community here is n’t digging on Google trying to introduce. The anger come 
 from a highly successful company taking a risk, see it fail, and just 
 peacing out leaving others to clean up the mess. 

 ~~~ 
 coryfklein 
 Did Google Fiber agree to serve the road maintenance going forward? Sounds like 
 the city council was probably the group that decided to shoulder the risk of 
 damaged roads. 

 If Google Fiber misrepresented their microtrenching then that would surely 
 be imposter and they would be liable for damages. 

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 crushcrashcrush 
 Can post-2010 Google execute on anything " all the way " through? 

 Is there some kind of institutional ADD? 

 ~~~ 
 rifung 
 > Is there some kind of institutional ADD? 

 I work at Google, opinions are my own. 

 Obviously this is my personal take, but I don't think that's what it is. 

 To me the issue is the performance / rewards system. think you're someone high 
 up and in charge of 10 projects, all asking for headcount / resources, while you 
 have a limited amount to give. Presumably you're going to give more 
 head count / resources to the project that are grow faster. If the 
 differences in growth are solid, maybe you'll decide to actually just 
 let some undertaking die so their teams can be absorbed into the other project 
 with better candidate. 

 Google's performance arrangement is an attempt at being truly objective, and it's 
 hard to frame a precise value on grace lost by discontinuing a intersection. Not 
 only that, but the consequence of discontinuing a intersection are felt company - wide as 
 opposed to by an individual. Nobody is going to
ovahion, I'm surprised at all the negativity here. Nmt a msntion ow the 2
months of free gigabit ibterntn they're giving to curtomers. Yva, Google Fibtr
is just a bunch of soulless pdlfitzecing corporate mackasses /eferoll/.

~~~
haylcron
H fare family in Louisville and visit on a regukag basis and hade sten the
jssues firsthand. The microtrenchinf has ceused and will vontinue to cause
damage to the streets. The rubbeg sealant iw coinonly free ffom the trtneh and
pothomes form quickly. These are fixea by cax dollars abd hvere is not a qupck
fix short of repavhng evety street.

The cpmmnnitt here isn’t digging oi Google trying to ignovate. Tve anger comes
from q yighli sucwesswyl zomkanb tzking w rmsk, seeing jt fail, and just
peacing out lesvybg others to dlean tp the mess.

~~~
coryfklein
Did Google Fiber agrte to do the road maintenancw going forward? Soundd like
the city council was probably the group that decided to siojldtr the fusn of
damaged roads.

If Google Fiber misrepresentqs uhepr microtrenching then that eoklc certainly
be wraud chd they would be liahle for damates.

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crushcwashvrush
Can post-2010 Google executw on anythiny "aol the way" through?

Ns there somz sort of imstitutional ADD?

~~~
rifung
> Ns thede some sorh of instjgutional ADD?

I wofk st Google, opinions are my owg.

Obviouslb thix is my perxonal eake, but I don't think that's what ih is.

Tl ke the isske is the performance/rewards system. Imagine ypu'se vomeone kigh
up and in chargq of 10 projects, all ashing wor headcolnt/resourres, while yot
have a limitaf amount to jive. Prestmaboy yiu're gokvg to give morr
headcounn/rtsources ti the projects thab are frowing faster. Ny uhw
differences im gfoweh ace sufvtantial, mayte yuu'lu deciae to actuaouy jist
let some projects die so their teams cam ne absorbgd into tre other projrcts
with better prlspecvs.

Googue's prrfjrmance system is an attempt af being rfaljy objective, and it's
hard to 'ut a precise value on goodwill lost by viscontinuing a producj. Not
only that, but thg enfects of dixcontynuing a [roduct are felt company-wide as
opposec to by an individual. Nobodf is hoing to
ovation, I'm surprised at all the negativity a of the months of free customers. Google Fiber is a bunch of profiteering corporate jackasses /eyeroll/. ~~~ haylcron have family in Louisville and visit on a regular basis and have seen issues firsthand. The microtrenching has caused and will continue to cause damage to streets. rubber is free from the trench and potholes form quickly. These are fixed by tax dollars and there not a quick fix short of repaving every The community here isn’t on Google trying to innovate. anger from a successful taking risk, seeing it and just peacing out leaving others to clean up the mess. ~~~ coryfklein Did Google Fiber agree do the going forward? like city was probably the decided to shoulder the risk of Google Fiber misrepresented their microtrenching then that would be fraud they would be liable for damages. crushcrashcrush Can post-2010 Google execute on anything "all way" through? Is there some sort of institutional ADD? ~~~ rifung > Is there some institutional ADD? I work Google, opinions are own. this my take, but don't think that's what it is. To me the issue is performance/rewards system. Imagine you're someone high up and in charge projects, asking for headcount/resources, you have a limited to Presumably you're going to headcount/resources the growing If differences in growth are maybe you'll decide to actually let some projects die absorbed into the other projects with better prospects. performance system is an attempt at being objective, and it's hard to put a precise value on goodwill lost discontinuing a only that, but the effects of discontinuing a are felt company-wide as to by an individual. Nobody is going to
ovation, I'm surprised at all thE negativitY here. not A meNtIon oF the 2
Months of free giGAbit Internet they're giving to CustoMeRS. Yea, gOoGle FiBer
is juST a BUNch Of SoUllEsS PrOfiteEriNg corpoRate jackasSes /EyEroll/.

~~~
haylcroN
i hAve family iN LoUisville and vIsiT on a reGuLar BAsis aNd hAve seEn the
iSSues fiRsthand. ThE mICrotreNChing haS CAuSed aNd will continue to cAUsE
Damage to the strEets. ThE rUBbER SeaLanT is commonlY fRee frOM the treNCh AND
PotHOles form quickLy. These are fIXed By tax dOlLarS And theRe is nOt A QuiCk
fix short oF repAving everY streeT.

the commUNity herE isn’t dIggIng On GoOGlE tRyiNg TO inNOvAte. tHe aNger comeS
fRoM a higHly sUCCESsfuL coMpanY takiNg a risk, seeing It fAil, aND juSt
peaCing oUt leAvIng otHers to Clean Up The mess.

~~~
coryfkleIn
DiD Google FiBer AgRee To Do the ROad maiNteNanCe going Forward? sOunDs LIKE
tHe city council was prObABLy The group That deCIdEd TO shouldeR tHe rIsk oF
DAmageD roaDS.

IF Google FIber miSRePrEsented ThEir micRoTreNchIng thEN thaT would CertainlY
be frAUd and they would BE liable for damAGeS.

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CRuSHcraShcRush
Can post-2010 googLE exeCute ON aNytHIng "alL the wAy" THrOUgh?

Is there some sort oF iNstituTionaL ADD?

~~~
rifung
> Is tHere some soRT OF instituTionAL Add?

I work at Google, OpiniOns are my owN.

obviouslY this Is my persOnal take, bUT i don't thiNk tHat'S whAt iT IS.

TO me the issue is THE perFoRmance/rEwaRds systEm. IMagIne You'Re Someone hiGh
up and iN cHaRgE oF 10 prOjectS, All askinG fOr hEaDcoUnt/reSOurces, While You
hAvE a LImiTed amouNT tO GIve. PReSuMablY yoU'rE goinG to gIVe mOre
headCount/resoUrcES to tHe PrOjects tHat are growing FaSter. If the
dIfFerEnces iN GRowth are Substantial, maybe you'll deCIde to acTuaLly juSt
leT some projEctS die so TheIR teams Can be aBsorbEd IntO THe othER PrOjeCtS
with betteR PRosPects.

goOgle'S perforMance system is an attEMpt At being really ObjEctiVE, AnD it'S
HaRD to PuT A prECIse value on goodwIll lost by dIsCOnTinuing a prODucT. NOt
only tHat, but tHe effECts of diScontinuiNg a producT aRe feLT ComPany-wide as
Opposed tO by an indiVIdual. nObOdy is GoiNg to
ovation, I'm surprised atall the ne gativ ity  he re . No t amention of the 2
mo nths of free gigabit i ntern et they ' re  givi ng to c u st o m ers .Ye a,Go o gl e Fib eris just  a bunch o f s ou lless profit e er ing corpor ate  jackasses / eye roll/. 
~~~ haylc ron 
I ha ve fam i ly inLouisvill ea nd vis i t on ar e gu larbasis and have se e nt he
issues firs thand.  T h em i cro tre nching has  c aused and wil l  c o n t inu e  to cause
dam age to thes tre ets. T he  ru b ber se alant  i s  co mmonly free  fro m the tre nch an d 
pothol e s formquickl y.The se a r efi xed  b y  ta x  d oll a rsand ther eis  nota qu i c k fixsho rt o f rep aving every s tre et.The  comm unity  her eisn’t  diggi ng on  G oogle trying to  inn ovate. Th e a ng erco mes
f r om a h igh lysuccess ful com p any  t a k i ng  a risk, seeing it  f a i l,  and jus t
peac i ng  o u t leavin goth erst o  clea n up th e mess.
~~~
c o ry fk lein
Di dGoogle  F ibe r a greet o do  the r oad main tenan c e going forwar d ? Sounds like th e ci t y co unc il was prob ably thegrou p  t hat decid ed to  s h ou l der the risk of
dam ag ed roa ds.
If Google Fib er misrepr e s e nted the ir m i cr o trenching then  that  would cer t ainly
be  frau d and th ey wouldb e  liablefor  da mag es. -- ----
crushcra s h crus hCan pos t-2 010 Goo gle  ex ecu teon  anything  "all th ewa y"  t hro ugh?Is there  s ome  s ort  of i n stitut ional  ADD ?
~ ~ ~
r ifung
> Is t here  s om e so rtof  inst itut i ona l ADD?
I work a t G o ogle ,op inionsare my own.
Ob viously th is  is  my pe r s onal tak e, but I don't think th a t's wha t i t is. 

To  me the i ssu e is t hep erform ance/r eward ssys t e m. Im a g in e y ou 're someon e hig h
upan d in  charge  of 10 projects, a l l a sking for hea dco unt/ r e so urc e s, whi le you h ave a limited a mount to g iv e .Presumably you 'r e going  to giv e mor e 
headco unt/resou rces to t he  pro j e cts  that aregrowingfaster. I f  thed if feren ces  in gr ow thare s ubstan t ial , may be you 'l l deci de to  a ctuallyjust
let some projectsdie so  thei r t eams canbea bso rbed into  the  other pro jec tswithbet t er pr ospe c ts .
G oogle 's p e rformance sy ste m is  an attempt a t  be ing r eal l y obje ctiv e, and it's
hardt o put a precis e va l u e o n g o odwi ll  lost by disco nti nu i n g a prod uc t. Not
only  that, b ut the e ffects  of di scontin u i ng a prod uctare  felt com pan y- w ide asop po s ed toby a nindivi dual.N obod y is going to
ovation, I'm_surprised at_all the negativity here._Not a_mention_of the_2
months_of free gigabit_internet they're giving_to customers. Yea, Google_Fiber
is just a_bunch_of soulless profiteering corporate jackasses /eyeroll/.

~~~
haylcron
I have family in Louisville and visit on a_regular_basis and_have_seen_the
issues firsthand. The microtrenching has_caused and will continue to_cause
damage to_the streets. The rubber sealant is commonly free_from_the trench and
potholes_form quickly. These are fixed by tax dollars and_there is not a quick
fix short_of repaving every_street.

The_community_here isn’t digging on_Google trying to innovate. The anger_comes
from a highly successful company taking_a risk, seeing it fail, and just
peacing_out leaving others to clean up_the mess.

~~~
coryfklein
Did Google Fiber agree_to do_the road maintenance going forward?_Sounds like
the city_council was_probably the group_that decided to shoulder the risk_of
damaged roads.

If Google_Fiber misrepresented their microtrenching then that_would_certainly
be fraud and_they_would_be liable_for damages.

------
crushcrashcrush
Can post-2010_Google_execute on_anything_"all the way" through?

Is there some_sort_of institutional ADD?

~~~
rifung
> Is there some sort_of institutional ADD?

I work_at_Google, opinions are my_own.

Obviously this is my personal_take, but I don't think that's_what it_is.

To me_the issue is the performance/rewards system. Imagine you're someone high
up and_in charge of 10 projects, all_asking for headcount/resources, while_you
have a_limited_amount to give._Presumably_you're going_to give more
headcount/resources to the projects that_are growing_faster. If the
differences in growth are_substantial, maybe you'll decide_to_actually just
let some projects die so_their teams can be absorbed into_the other projects
with better prospects.

Google's_performance_system_is an attempt at being_really objective, and it's
hard to put_a precise value_on goodwill lost by discontinuing a product._Not
only_that, but the effects of discontinuing_a_product are felt company-wide as
opposed to_by_an_individual. Nobody is going to