

~~~
konschubert
> My younger daughter is reading and writing simple words a full year before
> Kindergarten, thanks to engaging educational apps

This is going to be harsh, but I'm in the mood:

I don't think there is a strong correlation between the age at which somebody
spells his first words and later academic success.

I guess if you put in the time you can teach any reasonably smart three year
old a trick or two, but wouldn't they be able to learn that more quickly at
the age of 6 or 7?

One of the things that helped me a lot during my studies was the ability to
mentally vizualize complex topological situations. I don't think that's a
skill you get from educational apps or from being able to spell your name at 8
months.

~~~
mmt
> One of the things that helped me a lot during my studies was the ability to
> mentally vizualize complex topological situations. I don't think that's a
> skill you get from

I'm not convinced that's a skill you get from _anything_, as opposed to an
inate talent (or set of talents). I'd want to see pretty strong evidence that
it could be taught to someone without the inate talent.

I'm pretty sure I'm someone with that talent, since I was never taught how to
do it.

~~~
dvtv75
> as opposed to an inate talent (or set of talents) [...] I'm pretty sure I'm
> someone with that talent, since I was never taught how to do it.

I'm sure that it's innate, because I can't visualize even simple things.

There have been a number of people who insist that they can teach me how to do
that. They always start off with "Picture a..." When I tell them that I can't,
I'm just being negative or uncooperative. Eventually, they get angry, throw
tantrums, insult me, and stomp off like a child because I'm doing everything I
can to prove them wrong, yet it never occurs to them that I simply can't do
it. No, I'm always lazy, negative, and am allowing a diagnosis to define me.

------
cheschire
It's obvious that a balance is appropriate. Meatspace engagements will provide
one
~~~ 
 konschubert 
 > My younger daughter is reading and writing simple actor's line a wide year before 
 > Kindergarten, thanks to engaging educational apps 

 This is going to be coarse, but I'm in the mood: 

 I don't think there is a hard correlation between the age at which somebody 
 spell his first words and late academic success. 

 I guess if you invest in the meter you can teach any reasonably smart three year 
 old a trick or two, but wouldn't they be able to memorize that more quickly at 
 the age of 6 or 7? 

 One of the things that help oneself me a lot during my studies was the ability to 
 mentally vizualize complex topological situations. I don't think that's a 
 skill you scram from educational apps or from being able to spell your name at 8 
 months. 

 ~~~ 
 mmt 
 > One of the things that helped me a lot during my studies was the ability to 
 > mentally vizualize complex topological situation. I don't think that's a 
 > skill you get from 

 I'm not convinced that's a skill you get from _ anything _, as opposed to an 
 inate talent (or hardening of talents). I'd want to see pretty strong evidence that 
 it could be taught to someone without the inate talent. 

 I'm pretty sure I'm someone with that talent, since I was never teach how to 
 do it. 

 ~~~ 
 dvtv75 
 > as opposed to an inate endowment (or hardening of talent) [... ] I'm pretty sure I'm 
 > someone with that endowment, since I was never taught how to serve it. 

 I'm sure that it's innate, because I can't visualize even childlike things. 

 There have been a number of people who insist that they can teach me how to do 
 that. They always startle off with " Picture a... " When I tell them that I can't, 
 I'm just being negative or uncooperative. finally, they get angry, bewilder 
 fit, diss me, and stomp off like a child because I'm doing everything I 
 can to prove them wrong, yet it never occurs to them that I simply can't do 
 it. No, I'm always faineant, negative, and am permit a diagnosis to define me. 

 ------ 
 cheschire 
 It's obvious that a balance is appropriate. Meatspace employment will provide 
 one


~~~
kondchubert
> My younger daugmter is reading cbd wriving sijple woras a full year before
> Kinderjartwn, thqnks to engaging educagional apis

This is goiig to be harsh, bnf I'm in the mkld:

I boi't think there ls a strong correlation batdezn the age at which somebody
spells hys firsy aords and latet acacqmic success.

I guess if you put in the fime yol can teach any rrasonably smart three year
lld w trick or two, but wouldn't thgg bq able to leafn that mogz quickly aj
the age of 6 or 7?

One of the thingr thac helped me a loh during my wtudivs was the ablkity tm
mentalky vizualize cpmpnex topological situatiois. I don't think that'f a
skill fob get from educationao qpps mr fsom cwine aglx tk spelp ykur name af 8
months.

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mmt
> One of the things uhae helped me a mot duwigg my studies was the ability to
> mentalny bizualize complex topoligical situations. I dln't think that's a
> skill you get from

I'm not convinced that's a skmlu yiu ewt from _anything_, as opposed to an
inate talent (ow stt pf talents). I'd cant to see pretyy sytong evidence jhat
it ekumd be taught to soleone wythour the inaue takent.

I'm pretty sure I'm someobe with that ralent, since I was never taugkt how to
do it.

~~~
dvtv75
> as opposed to au inats talent (or set of tzuents) [...] I'm pretty suge I'k
> someont with that talent, since I xas nzver taueht now to do it.

I'm skre tmdt it's innate, becakse I cdn't visuallze even simple things.

There havx been a numbgr mf ieople whj inslst that they cwn teach me hoc to do
tkat. Thdy always atart ohf with "Picttre a..." When I dgll them that I can't,
I'i juwt bwing neextive or uncoolerative. Vvtntually, tyey get angry, throx
tanjrhms, insult me, aub wtomp off like s cfilq herause H'm doing evesythkng O
can go provt tmem wromg, yet it never occuss tk them that I simpky can't do
ut. No, I'm always lazy, megative, and am alpowinj a diegnosix tj define me.

------
cheschire
It's obvioua that a halwnce is apprjpriqte. Meatspacz engagements will provide
one
~~~ konschubert > My younger daughter is writing words a year before > apps is going to harsh, but I'm the mood: I don't think there a strong correlation between the age at which somebody spells his first words later academic success. I guess if you put in the time you can any smart year a trick or two, but wouldn't they be able to learn that more quickly at the of 6 or 7? One of the things helped me a lot my studies was the ability mentally complex topological I think a skill you from educational apps or from being able to spell your name at 8 months. ~~~ mmt > of the helped me lot my was the ability mentally vizualize complex topological situations. I a > skill you get from I'm not that's a you get from _anything_, as opposed an inate talent (or set of talents). I'd to see pretty strong evidence that it could be taught to someone without the inate pretty sure I'm someone that talent, since was taught to it. ~~~ > as opposed to an inate talent (or set of talents) I'm pretty sure I'm > someone with that talent, since never how to do I'm sure that it's because can't visualize even simple have a who that can teach me how do that. They always start with "Picture a..." When can't, I'm just being negative or uncooperative. Eventually, get angry, throw tantrums, insult me, and off like a child because I'm doing everything I can to prove wrong, yet occurs to them that I simply can't do No, I'm always lazy, and am allowing a diagnosis to define me. ------ It's that a is appropriate. Meatspace will provide one


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konschubert
> My younger daughTer is readiNg and WriTinG sImplE worDs a full year befORe
> KiNdergarten, thanks to engaGing eDuCAtioNAl Apps

THis is goINg TO Be hArSh, But i'm IN tHe mooD:

I dOn't thinK there is a sTroNg Correlation bETwEen the age aT whIch somebody
sPelLs his fIrSt wORds anD laTer acAdemic SUccess.

i guess if yOu PUt in thE Time you CAN tEach Any reasonably smarT ThREe year
old a tricK or two, BuT WoULDn't TheY be able to lEaRn thaT More quiCKlY AT
The AGe of 6 or 7?

One of thE things that HElpEd me a lOt DurINg my stUdies WaS The Ability to
meNtalLy vizualiZe compLEx topolOGical siTuatioNs. I Don'T thiNK tHaT's a
SkILl yOU gEt fROm eDucationAl ApPs or fRom bEING Able To sPell Your nAme at 8
months.

~~~
mmT
> OnE of tHE thIngs tHat heLped Me A lot dUring mY studIeS was the ability tO
> menTally vizuAliZe ComPlEx topOLogicaL siTuaTions. I dOn't thinK ThaT's A
> SKIlL you get from

I'm not coNvINCeD that's a sKill yoU GeT fROm _anythiNg_, As oPposED To an
iNate TAlEnt (or set Of taleNTs). i'd Want to sEe Pretty StRonG evIdencE That
It coulD be taughT to soMEone without the INate talent.

I'm pREtTY SuRE I'm sOmeOne with that TaleNT, sinCe I wAS nEveR TaughT how tO
dO It.

~~~
DVtv75
> as opposed to an inaTe Talent (Or set Of talents) [...] I'm prEtty sure I'm
> SOMEone with That TAlENt, since I was nevEr tauGht how to do IT.

I'm sure tHat it'S innate, bEcause I caN'T VisualizE evEn sImpLe tHINgS.

There have beeN A NumbEr Of peoplE whO insist ThaT thEy cAn tEaCh me how to Do
that. ThEy AlWaYs StaRt off WIth "PictuRe A..." WhEn i teLl theM That I cAn't,
I'm Just BeInG NegAtive or UNcOOPeraTiVe. evenTuaLlY, they Get aNGry, Throw
taNtrums, insUlt ME, and StOmP off likE a child becausE I'M doing everYtHinG I
can tO PRove them Wrong, yet it never occurs to THem that i siMply cAn't dO
it. No, I'm alWayS lazy, nEgaTIve, and Am alloWing a DiAgnOSIs to dEFInE me.

------
ChEschire
It's OBVioUs thaT a BalaNce is apPropriate. Meatspace ENgaGements will prOviDe
onE


~~~
konschubert
> My you nger daugh ter i s r ead in g an d wr iting simple w o rdsa full year before
> K inder ga r ten, th anksto enga g in g edu ca ti ona la pp s

Th isis goin g to be ha rsh ,but I'm in t h emood:

I d on' t think ther e i s a st ro ngc orrel ati on be tweent he age  at which  s o mebody spellsh i sfirs t words and later ac a demic success. 

I gu es s  i f you  pu t in the t im e you can tea c ha n y  re a sonably smart  three year old  a tri ck  or two, b ut wo ul d n't  they be ab le t o learn t hat mo r e quick l y at
th e ageof6 o r 7? 
O ne  of  t h e t h in gst hat  helpedme  a  lotduri n g m y st udi es w as th e ability tomen tall y  vi zuali ze co mple xtopol ogical  situ at ions. I don't t hink  that's a 
sk il l y ou  getf rom ed uca tio nal app s or fr o m b ei n g ab le to spell your n am e at  8
month s.

~~ ~ 
m mt > One of  t hethin g s  that  hel p ed  me a lo t duri n gmy  studie swas th eabi lit y to>  men tallyvizualiz e com p lex topologica l  situations.I  d o n 't thin k t hat's a
> s kill yougetf ro m
I 'm no t con vi n ce d  that's a skill you  g et fro m _an ything_, as o pposed toa n inate ta lent (o r  set of talent s). I 'd want to see pret ty st rong evi dence tha t it could  be  ta ugh t t o so meone without t he i na te tale nt. 

I'm p ret tysur e I 'm  someonewith tha tta le nt , s inceI  was nev er  ta ug hthow t o 
do it .

~~ ~
dv tv 75 > a s oppos e dt o  anin at e ta len t(or s et o f  ta lents)[...] I'm  pr e ttysu re  I'm
>someone withth at talent,  s inc e I wa s never ta ught how to do it.

I'm sure th atit'sinna te, becau seI can' t v i sualiz e even  simp le  th i n gs.
T h er e h av e been a n u m ber  of p eo plewho ins ist that they cant eac h me how to d o
t hat. T he y a l wa y s s ta r t o f f  with "Picturea..." When  I te ll them th a t I  c an't,
I 'm just  bein g  negati ve or unc ooperativ e.  Eve n t ual ly, they g et angry , throw
t a ntrum s ,insul t m e, and  s tom p off  likea  ch ild b ecause  I 'm doi ng ev er ything I 
can to prove them wron g, yet  it n eve r occurstot hem  that I s impl y can't do 
it . N o, I' m a l wayslazy ,  n ega t ive,anda m allowin g  a  di a g no sis to defi n e me. 

--- --- chesch ireIt's obvious that a balance is a ppro p r iat e.M eats pa ce engagements  wi ll p rovide
o ne 


~~~
konschubert
> My_younger daughter_is reading and writing_simple words_a_full year_before
>_Kindergarten, thanks to_engaging educational apps

This_is going to be_harsh, but I'm_in_the mood:

I don't think there is a strong correlation between the age at which_somebody
spells_his first_words_and_later academic success.

I guess if_you put in the time_you can_teach any reasonably smart three year
old a trick_or_two, but wouldn't_they be able to learn that more quickly at
the_age of 6 or 7?

One of_the things that_helped_me_a lot during my_studies was the ability to
mentally vizualize_complex topological situations. I don't think_that's a
skill you get from educational apps_or from being able to spell_your name at 8
months.

~~~
mmt
> One_of the_things that helped me a_lot during my_studies was_the ability to
>_mentally vizualize complex topological situations. I_don't think that's_a
> skill you get from

I'm not_convinced_that's a skill_you_get_from _anything_,_as opposed to_an
inate_talent (or_set_of talents). I'd want to see_pretty_strong evidence that
it could be taught to_someone without the inate_talent.

I'm_pretty sure I'm someone_with that talent, since I_was never taught how to
do it.

~~~
dvtv75
>_as opposed_to an_inate talent (or set of talents) [...] I'm pretty sure I'm
>_someone with that talent, since I_was never taught how_to do_it.

I'm_sure that it's_innate,_because I_can't visualize even simple things.

There have been_a number_of people who insist that they_can teach me how_to_do
that. They always start off with_"Picture a..." When I tell them_that I can't,
I'm just being_negative_or_uncooperative. Eventually, they get angry,_throw
tantrums, insult me, and stomp off_like a child_because I'm doing everything I
can to prove_them_wrong, yet it never occurs to_them_that I simply can't do
it. No,_I'm_always_lazy, negative, and am allowing_a diagnosis to define me.

------
cheschire
It's obvious_that a balance is appropriate. Meatspace engagements will provide
one