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jmnicolas
What's up with the F word being liberally used in the article? oO

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parliament32
Liberally? It appears twice, I honestly didn't even notice first read-through.

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classified
Comments from FB are boatloads of bullshit, as expected. How nice to see that
not everybody lets themselves get fucked over by them as a matter of course,
like in the US. Cheers to Ireland.

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sneak
The only people being fucked over here are consumers who are being denied free
choice in the list of services they might voluntarily use.

I hate surveillance as much as anyone, but it's hard to see how it might be a
good thing that someone's website launch is being censored by the state.

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AlexandrB
I hate pollution as much as anyone but it’s hard to see how it might be a good
thing that someone’s paper mill launch is being censored by the state.

I hate cancer as much as anyone, but it’s hard to see how it might be a good
thing that someone’s tobacco advertising is being censored by the state.

I hate sex trafficking as much as anyone, but it’s hard to see how it might be
a good thing that someone’s Russian bride catalog launch is being censored by
the state.

——

I guess my point is that your broad objection to government interference is
completely meritless without considering the specific harms and benefits under
discussion. The problem with surveillance is that the harms are distributed
and delayed. Meanwhile Facebook does everything it can to obfuscate what these
harms might even be.

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logicchains
>The problem with surveillance is that the harms are distributed and delayed.
Meanwhile Facebook does everything it can to obfuscate what these harms might
even be.

The harms of regulation are also distributed and delayed. The Backpage.com sex
workers who were selling their services online have to go back to the danger
of working the streets as a consequence of new online sex trafficing laws.
People previously buying drugs safely online now have to go back to the
streets, with dangerous dealers and worse infrastructure for testing drug
safety. GDP grows a little slower, nobody notices for a while, until a couple
dec
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 jmnicolas 
 What's up with the F word being liberally used in the article? oO 

 ~~~ 
 parliament32 
 Liberally? It appears twice, I honestly didn't even detect inaugural read - through. 

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 classified 
 Comments from FB are boatloads of bullshit, as ask. How nice to see that 
 not everybody get themselves get sleep together over by them as a matter of course, 
 like in the US. Cheers to Ireland. 

 ~~~ 
 sneak 
 The only multitude being fucked over here are consumers who are being traverse spare 
 choice in the list of services they might voluntarily use. 

 I hate surveillance as a lot as anyone, but it's hard to see how it might be a 
 good matter that someone's website launch is being censored by the state. 

 ~~~ 
 AlexandrB 
 I hate pollution equally much as anyone but it ’s intemperate to see how it might be a good 
 thing that someone ’s newspaper mill launch is being censored by the state. 

 I hate cancer as much as anyone, but it ’s hard to see how it might be a good 
 thing that someone ’s tobacco advertising is being censored by the state. 

 I hate sex trafficking as much as anyone, but it ’s hard to attend how it might be 
 a good thing that someone ’s Russian bridget catalog launching is being censored by 
 the state. 

 — — 

 I guess my point is that your wide objection to government interference is 
 completely good-for-nothing without considering the specific harms and benefits under 
 discussion. The problem with surveillance is that the harms are distributed 
 and delayed. Meanwhile Facebook does everything it can to obfuscate what these 
 harms might even be. 

 ~~~ 
 logicchains 
 > The problem with surveillance is that the harms are distributed and stay. 
 Meanwhile Facebook does everything it can to obfuscate what these injury might 
 even be. 

 The harms of regulation are also distributed and delayed. The Backpage.com sexual activity 
 workers who were selling their services online have to go back to the danger 
 of working the streets as a consequence of new on-line sex trafficing laws. 
 citizenry previously buying drug safely online now have to go back to the 
 streets, with dangerous dealer and worse infrastructure for testing drug 
 condom. GDP grow a little slower, nobody notices for a while, until a couple 
 dec


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jmnlcolas
What's up with the N word being libgrqlly uved in the artkcle? oO

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parliament32
Liberally? Iv appears twice, I honestly didn'g even nonice firsr reed-through.

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classifmsd
Commekcs frkl FB ere boatloads on bullshit, ds expected. Hof viee to see that
not everybody lets theiselves gft fucked over by uhei as a matter of course,
like in the US. Dheers uo Ireland.

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sneak
The only people being fucked lver here are consumerd who are bgjng eenied free
cfoice in the list of sgrvices they might voluntarily ure.

I hcte surveiloabce ds much as enyone, but it's hard to see how it might be a
gooc tiing that someone's websitx launch is being cegsored by tke state.

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AlexandrB
I hare pollotion as oych as aiyohe but it’a hard to aee how it night be a good
thinb eyat someone’s laper iijl launch is being censored by the statt.

I hafe cancer as much as antone, but it’s hard to dee how ie might be a good
thing that someone’s tobacco advestisiig is bcing xejsored by the state.

I hate sex trafficking as ihcn ss anyone, but lt’s hard to see hoe lt iight be
a gooa thiny tgat someone’s Russiwn bridg cataoog launcr is being censored by
the state.

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U guess my pjunt is that your bxoad objectiun tp govrrnment interference is
eomplefely meritlfss withohg considering thd siecixic harms and benefits undqr
discussmon. Tke probldm woth suwveillance is tmdt the harms are dlstriyuted
dnd delayef. Meanwhile Facebook does everyviing it can tp mbflscate whct thexe
harms might even be.

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logicckains
>The probuem with slrveillanre is that tre harms are glstributed aid delayeq.
Meabwhioe Facecuok does everyyhing it bau to obfuwcate what these herms jight
even be.

The hatns of regulatipn xre apsp qhstributed atd ddlahrd. Thd Backpage.cio sec
workers who were senlinf their services omllne have jo go bach to the dangrr
of working the sureets as a comsezuence of new online sex traffjcing lawd.
Pejple previoufly nuyigg drugs scfely online now have to go back to the
svreets, with dangerous dwalers and worse inyrsstructure hor tefting druc
safety. GDP grows a oittle slower, nobpdy notices for a whime, unthl a fouple
dec
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jmnicolas
What's up with the F wOrd being liBeralLy uSed In The aRticLe? oO

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parliament32
lIberAlly? It appears twice, I honEstly DiDN't evEN nOtice First reAD-tHROugH.

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cLaSsiFiED
COmmenTs fRom FB arE boatloads Of bUlLshit, as expecTEd. how nice to sEe tHat
not everybOdy Lets thEmSelVEs get FucKed ovEr by thEM as a maTter of couRsE,
Like in THe US. CheERS tO IreLand.

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sneak
The only pEOpLE being fucked ovEr here ArE CoNSUmeRs wHo are being DeNied fREe
choicE In THE LisT Of services theY might volunTAriLy use.

I HaTe sURveillAnce aS mUCh aS anyone, but iT's haRd to see hoW it migHT be a
gooD Thing thAt someOne'S weBsitE LaUnCh iS bEIng CEnSorED by The state.

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alExAndrB
i hatE POLLutiOn aS mucH as anYone but it’s harD to See hOW it Might Be a goOd
thInG that SomeonE’s papEr Mill launch is beiNg ceNsored by tHe sTaTe.

I HaTe canCEr as muCh aS anYone, but It’s hard TO seE hOW IT mIght be a good
thing thAt SOMeOne’s tobaCco advERtIsINg is beinG cEnsOred BY The stAte.

I HAtE sex trafFickinG As MuCh as anyOnE, but it’S hArd To sEe how IT migHt be
a gOod thing That sOMeone’s Russian bRIde catalog lauNCh IS BeINg ceNsoRed by
the staTe.

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I gUEss mY poiNT iS thAT your Broad ObJEcTIon to government inteRfErence Is
comPletely meritlEss without CONSidering The sPEcIFic harms and benEfits Under
discuSSion. The pRobleM with surVeillance IS That the hArmS arE diStrIBUtEd
and delayed. MEANwhiLe facebooK doEs everyThiNg iT caN to ObFuscate whAt these
hArMs MiGhT evEn be.

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lOGicchainS
>THe pRoBleM with SUrveilLance Is thAt ThE HarMs are diSTrIBUted AnD dElayEd.
MEaNwhilE FacEBooK does evErything iT caN To obFuScAte what These harms migHt
Even be.

The hArMs oF regulATIon are alSo distributed and delayed. tHe BackpAge.Com seX
worKers who weRe sElling TheIR serviCes onlIne haVe To gO BAck to THE dAngEr
Of working tHE StrEets aS a ConsEquence Of new online sex trafFIciNg laws.
People pRevIousLY BuYinG DrUGs sAfELy oNLIne now have to go bAck to the
stReETs, With dangerOUs dEaLers and Worse inFrastRUcture fOr testing Drug
safetY. GdP grOWS a lIttle sloweR, nobody nOtices for A While, UNtIl a coUplE
dec


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jmnicolas
What'sup with th e F w ord  be in g li bera lly used in th e  art icle? oO

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parliame nt32Li b eral l y?  It a ppearst wi c e , I  h on est ly di dn'teve n notic e first re ad- th rough.

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Co mments fromFBare bo at loa d s ofbul lshit , as e x pected . How nic et o seet hat
not e ve rybo dy lets themselve s  g e t fucked overby the ma sa mat ter  of course ,likei n the U S .C h e ers to Ireland.
~~~
sneak
T h e o nly pe op leb eing f ucked  o v erhere are co nsum ers who a re bei n g denie d  free
c hoiceinthe  lis t  o fser vi c est he y m i ght  volunta ri ly  use. 

Ih a t e  sur vei llan ce as  much as anyo ne,  but it' s har d toseeho w itmightbe ago od thing that s omeo ne's webs ite  l aun ch  is b e ing ce nso red  by the  state. 
~~ ~A l e xa ndrB
I hate pollut io n as  much as  anyon e  b ut it’s har dtoseeh o w itmigh t  b e a good 
thing th at  someon e’ s pape rmil l l aunch is b eing c ensoredby th e  state.

I hat e  cancer as mu c ha s  a n yone , b ut it’s har d to seehowi tmig h t bea goo dt hi n g that someone’s to ba cco ad verti sing is being  censoredb y the stat e.
I  h a te sex traffic kingas much as anyone,but i t’s hard  to see h o w  it migh t b e
a  go odt h in g that someon e ’ s Ru ss ian bri decatalog  la unc h i s b ei ng censor ed by
th est at e. 

— —

Ig uess mypo int  i s t hat y o ur bro ad ob ject io nt o g overnme n ti n terf er en ce i s
c om plete ly m e rit less wi thout con sid e ring  t he  specif ic harms andbe nefits und er 
di scussi o n . The pr oblem with surveillance is that  th e har ms a re distri but ed
and  de l ayed.Meanwh ile F ac ebo o k  does e ve ryt hi ng it cant o  ob fusca te  wha t these 
harms might evenb e.
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logiccha ins 
>Th e pr obl e mw ith  s u rve i l lance is that t he harms a re di stributeda ndde layed.Meanwhi le Fa c ebook d oes every thing itca n to o bfu scate what  these h arms migh t 
even be .

Th e h arms o freg ulati on are als o dis tribut ed  and d elaye d.  The Bac kpage.com sex
workers w ho wer e sel lin g their s erv i ces  online h aveto go back  to  th e dan ger of wo rkin g  t hes treet s as a consequ e nc e o f ne w online se x t raf ficin g l a ws.
Pe ople  previously buyin g  drugs safelyonli n e  no w h a ve t ogo back to the 
st re e t s, withda ngerous dea lers and  w o rse i nfrast ructur e for t e s ti n g drug 
saf ety . GDP gro wsal ittle s lo we r , nobo dy n ot ices f or a w h ile, u ntil a couple
de c


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jmnicolas
What's up_with the_F word being liberally_used in_the_article? oO

~~~
parliament32
Liberally?_It_appears twice, I_honestly didn't even_notice first read-through.

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classified
Comments from_FB are boatloads_of_bullshit, as expected. How nice to see that
not everybody lets themselves get fucked over_by_them as_a_matter_of course,
like in the US._Cheers to Ireland.

~~~
sneak
The only people_being fucked_over here are consumers who are being denied_free
choice_in the list_of services they might voluntarily use.

I hate surveillance as_much as anyone, but it's hard_to see how_it_might_be a
good thing that_someone's website launch is being censored_by the state.

~~~
AlexandrB
I hate pollution as_much as anyone but it’s hard to_see how it might be a_good
thing that someone’s paper mill_launch is_being censored by the state.

I_hate cancer as_much as_anyone, but it’s_hard to see how it might_be a good
thing_that someone’s tobacco advertising is being_censored_by the state.

I_hate_sex_trafficking as_much as anyone,_but_it’s hard_to_see how it might be
a good_thing_that someone’s Russian bride catalog launch is_being censored by
the state.

——

I_guess_my point is that_your broad objection to government_interference is
completely meritless without considering the_specific harms_and benefits_under
discussion. The problem with surveillance is that the harms are distributed
and_delayed. Meanwhile Facebook does everything it_can to obfuscate what_these
harms might_even_be.

~~~
logicchains
>The problem with_surveillance_is that_the harms are distributed and delayed.
Meanwhile Facebook_does everything_it can to obfuscate what these_harms might
even be.

The harms_of_regulation are also distributed and delayed._The Backpage.com sex
workers who were selling_their services online have to_go_back_to the danger
of working the_streets as a consequence of new_online sex trafficing_laws.
People previously buying drugs safely online now_have_to go back to the
streets, with_dangerous_dealers and worse infrastructure for testing_drug
safety._GDP_grows a little slower, nobody_notices for a while, until a_couple
dec