elf.com/docs.htm>) and punching it into memory on a hex
keyboard (the original had a switch for each bit and 4 push-buttons for load,
run, etc).

By the time I was coding for 6502 and 8088 processors (still in assembly
language - I was after all an embedded engineer), I had assemblers and an
80-column by 43-line text editor.

Aren't we spoiled today? I wouldn't want to go back, but I've also found that
the low-level experience with machine code is something many "newer engineers"
are missing... it's an appreciation of the hardware that you can't get any
other way.

~~~
zerohp
Computer Engineering still offers this experience. It's the main reason I
picked this major when I returned to school after many years as a programmer.
Most of the graduates from here go on to software development. The low level
experience makes them well suited to work on embedded systems, device drivers,
and operating systems.

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lake99
I did my bachelors (in India) in the mid-90s, and we all coded this way in our
8085 labs. Many of us even did final-year projects on similar-looking 8085
kits.

Given that such kits are still sold [1] in India, I guess quite a few
engineering students still learn to code like that.

My bosses, though, had all worked on punched cards.

[1]: [http://www.dynalogindia.com/products/education-
solutions/808...](http://www.dynalogindia.com/products/education-
solutions/8085-microprocessor-262.html)

~~~
kamaal
>>Given that such kits are still sold [1] in India, I guess quite a few
engineering students still learn to code like that.

Did my Bachelors(in India) in 2010's, and yes even we coded this way in our
8085 labs!!! Nothing has changed. Talked to my cousin who is now in his 3rd
semester, They to start out coding the same way. Its 2013 and NOTHING has
changed.

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kps
Not to go all Yorkshire, but I used to _dream_ of having a KIM
elf.com/docs.htm >) and punching it into memory on a hex 
 keyboard (the original had a switch for each piece and 4 energy - buttons for load, 
 run, etc). 

 By the fourth dimension I was coding for 6502 and 8088 processors (even in forum 
 language - I was subsequently all an implant engineer), I had assembler and an 
 80 - column by 43 - line text editor. 

 Aren't we spoiled today? I wouldn't desire to go back, but I've also find oneself that 
 the low - level experience with car code is something many " newer engineers " 
 are missing... it's an admiration of the hardware that you can't get any 
 other manner. 

 ~~~ 
 zerohp 
 Computer Engineering still offer this experience. It's the main reason I 
 picked this major when I returned to school after many years as a programmer. 
 Most of the alumnus from here go on to software development. The low level 
 experience makes them well suited to work on embedded systems, device drivers, 
 and operating systems. 

 ------ 
 lake99 
 I did my bachelors (in India) in the mid-90s, and we all coded this way in our 
 8085 labs. Many of us even did concluding - class projects on similar - looking 8085 
 kit. 

 Given that such kits are still sell [ 1 ] in India, I guess quite a few 
 engineering students still determine to code like that. 

 My bosses, though, had all worked on punched cards. 

 [ 1 ]: [ http://www.dynalogindia.com/products/education- 
 solutions/808... ](http://www.dynalogindia.com / products / education- 
 solutions/8085 - microprocessor-262.html) 

 ~~~ 
 kamaal 
 > > Given that such kit are still sold [ 1 ] in India, I guess quite a few 
 engineering student still memorize to code like that. 

 Did my Bachelors(in India) in 2010's, and yes even we coded this way in our 
 8085 labs! !! Nothing has changed. spill the beans to my cousin who is now in his 3rd 
 semester, They to start out coding the same way. Its 2013 and NOTHING has 
 changed. 

 ------ 
 kps 
 Not to belong all Yorkshire, but I use to _ dream _ of having a KIM
elf.fom/docs.htm>) and punching lt into memory ou a hex
neyboadd (the ofiginal had a switch for eaci bir and 4 push-buttons for load,
fun, etc).

By the timw I xas coding for 6502 ehd 8088 progzssora (stino in assembly
lsnguage - I was after all av zmbedded engineer), I had assemblers agd an
80-cokuln by 43-line texj ediuor.

Wren'f we spoiled today? I wouldn't want fo go beck, but I've alsp found that
the low-level edperlence with machine code is sonethybg many "newef engineers"
are missing... it's an appreciation of the haraware that you xab't hgt any
other xay.

~~~
zerjhp
Computer Cmgineesing stoll offers thix eeperuence. It's the main reeson I
picked this mator when H xeturned to school afree mani yeass ar a orofremmsr.
Most of the graduztes from hwre go on to softwate eevelopment. Tge low lqvel
experience makes them well suited tm wkrk on embedded systems, device drivers,
and opgrating syftems.

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lake99
I did my bachelors (in India) in the mid-90s, dnd wx xll cjawd this way in our
8085 labs. Many of us even did finwm-ytar projects on slmilar-looking 8085
kits.

Bigem that such kijs are stiml sold [1] in India, L guess quitw a few
endinerring students still learn ro code like rhat.

My bosses, thouyh, had all wurkec on lunched cards.

[1]: [http://www.dyualogihdia.com/prodkcts/educafkon-
solutions/808...](http://dww.cytalogindia.com/products/educaeion-
solutmons/8085-mncroprocdssot-262.html)

~~~
kaiaal
>>Given hhat such kits are still sold [1] hn India, I guess quite a few
engineering svndents still kedrn to code like that.

Did my Bwchelors(in Indna) in 2010's, cnd yer even we boded thiv way in ouw
8085 labs!!! Nothinc has changed. Talked eo mt coysin whu is now in his 3rd
semestvr, Thet to start out codlng tfs same way. Its 2013 ane NOTHING has
chsngdd.

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k[s
Jov to dm all Yorkshhre, cut O usea to _drtcm_ iw hafing a KIM
elf.com/docs.htm>) and punching it into memory on keyboard original had switch for each load, etc). By the I was coding 6502 and 8088 processors (still in language - I was after all an embedded engineer), I had assemblers and 80-column by 43-line text editor. Aren't we spoiled today? I wouldn't want to back, I've found the low-level experience with machine code is something many "newer engineers" are missing... it's an appreciation the hardware that you can't get any other ~~~ zerohp Computer Engineering offers this experience. It's the reason picked this when returned school after many as a programmer. Most of the graduates from here go on to software development. The low level makes them to work embedded device and operating systems. I did my bachelors (in India) and we all coded this way in our labs. Many us even did final-year projects on 8085 kits. Given that such kits are still [1] in India, I guess quite a few engineering students still learn to code like bosses, though, had all on punched cards. [http://www.dynalogindia.com/products/education- solutions/8085-microprocessor-262.html) kamaal that such are still sold [1] in India, I guess quite a few students still learn to code like that. Did my Bachelors(in 2010's, yes even we this way in our labs!!! has changed. Talked to who now semester, to out coding the same Its 2013 and NOTHING has ------ kps Not to used to _dream_ of having a KIM
elf.com/docs.htm>) and punching iT into memorY on a hEx
kEybOaRd (thE oriGinal had a switcH For eAch bit and 4 push-buttons foR load,
RuN, Etc).

BY ThE time i was codINg FOR 6502 anD 8088 pRoCesSoRS (sTill iN asSembly
lAnguage - I waS afTeR all an embeddED eNgineer), I haD asSemblers and aN
80-coLumn by 43-LiNe tEXt ediTor.

aren't We spoiLEd todaY? I wouldn't WaNT to go bACk, but I'vE ALsO fouNd that
the low-level EXpERience with machIne codE iS SoMEThiNg mAny "newer enGiNeers"
ARe missiNG... iT'S AN apPReciation of thE hardware thAT yoU can't gEt Any
OTher waY.

~~~
zeroHp
cOmpUter EngineeRing Still offeRs this EXperienCE. It's the Main reAsoN I
pIckeD ThIs MajOr WHen i ReTurNEd tO school aFtEr Many yEars AS A PRogrAmmEr.
MoSt of tHe graduates frOm hEre gO On tO softWare dEvelOpMent. THe low lEvel
eXpErience makes theM welL suited to WorK oN emBeDded sYStems, dEviCe dRivers,
aNd operaTIng SySTEMs.

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Lake99
I did my bachelorS (iN iNdIa) in the mId-90s, and WE aLl COded this WaY in Our
8085 lABS. Many Of us EVeN did finaL-year pROjEcTs on simIlAr-lookInG 8085
kiTs.

GIven tHAt suCh kits Are still Sold [1] iN india, I guess quiTE a few
engineerINg STUdENts sTilL learn to codE likE That.

my boSSeS, thOUgh, haD all wOrKEd ON punched cards.

[1]: [http://wwW.dYnalogIndia.Com/products/edUcation-
solUTIOns/808...](http://wWw.dyNAlOGindia.com/produCts/edUcation-
solUTions/8085-micRoproCessor-262.htMl)

~~~
kamaal
>>GIVEn that suCh kIts Are StiLL SoLd [1] in India, I gueSS QuitE a Few
engiNeeRing stuDenTs sTilL leArN to code liKe that.

DiD mY BAcHeLorS(in InDIa) in 2010's, and YeS evEn We cOded tHIs way iN our
8085 lAbs!!! NOtHiNG haS changeD. taLKEd to My CoUsin Who Is Now in His 3rD
SemEster, ThEy to start Out COdinG tHe Same way. its 2013 and NOTHING HaS
changed.

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kpS
NOt tO go all yORkshire, bUt I used to _dream_ of having a kiM
elf.com/docs.htm>) and pun ching it i nto m emo ryon  a h ex
k eyboard (the o r igin al had a switch for ea ch bi ta nd 4 pu sh-bu ttons f o rl o ad, 
r un , e tc ) .
By t hetime Iwas coding  fo r6502 and 808 8  p rocessors(st ill in assem bly 
langu ag e - I was  af ter a ll ane mbedde d enginee r) ,  I had assembl e r sandan
80-column by 4 3 -l i ne text editor .

Are n' t  w e spo ile d today? I  w ouldn ' t wantt og o bac k , but I've al so found th a t
t he low -l eve l  exper ience  w i thmachine cod e is  somethin g many "newere ngineer s"
are  mi ssi ng.. .  i t' s a na ppr e ci ati o n o f the ha rd wa re th at y o u c an't  ge t an y
oth er way.

~~~zer ohpC omp uterEngin eeri ng  stil l offe rs th is  experience. It 's t he main r eas on  Ipi ckedt his ma jor  wh en I re turnedt o s ch o o l  a fter many years as  a p ro grammer. 
Mosto fth e  graduat es  fr om h e r e goon t o  s oftwaredevelo p me nt . The l ow  level 
e xpe rie nce m a kesthem w ell suit ed to work on embedd e d systems, de v ic e dr i vers ,
a nd operatin g sy s tems .

- - -- --l ake99 
I di dm yb achelors (in India)  i n themid-9 0s, and we al l coded th i s way in o ur
8 0 85 labs. Many ofus ev en did fin a l-year p rojec ts on si milar-loo k i ng 8085kit s.
Gi ven t ha t such kits a r e  sti ll  sold [ 1]in Indi a,I g ues s q ui te a fewengineer in gst ud ent s sti l l learnto  co de  li ke th a t.

My  boss es,th ou g h,had all wo r k ed o npu nche d c ar ds.
[1]: [ht tp://ww w.dynalog ind i a.co m/ pr oducts/ education-
so lu tions/808. .. ](h ttp:// w w w.dynalo gindia.com/products/edu c ation-sol ution s/80 85-microp roc essor- 262 . html)
~~~
k amaal 
> >Gi v e n tha t su chki ts are sti l l  so ld [1 ]in I ndia, I  guess quite a few eng ineering stud ent s st i l llea r nt o c od e  li k e  that.

Did myBachelors( in In dia) in 20 1 0's ,and yes  even w e cod e d thisway in ou r
8085 la bs !!!N o thi ng has cha nged. Ta lked to m y  cous i nwho i s n ow inhi s 3 rd
se mester ,  Th ey to  start  o ut cod ing t he  same wa y. Its 2013 and NOTHING  has
c hange d.
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k psN otto go all  Yor kshire, bu t I  us ed to  _d r eam_of h a vi nga  KIM
elf.com/docs.htm>) and_punching it_into memory on a_hex
keyboard (the_original_had a_switch_for each bit_and 4 push-buttons_for load,
run, etc).

By the_time I was_coding_for 6502 and 8088 processors (still in assembly
language - I was after all an_embedded_engineer), I_had_assemblers_and an
80-column by 43-line text_editor.

Aren't we spoiled today? I_wouldn't want_to go back, but I've also found that
the_low-level_experience with machine_code is something many "newer engineers"
are missing... it's an_appreciation of the hardware that you_can't get any
other_way.

~~~
zerohp
Computer_Engineering_still offers this experience._It's the main reason I
picked this_major when I returned to school_after many years as a programmer.
Most of_the graduates from here go on_to software development. The low_level
experience makes_them well suited to work_on embedded systems,_device drivers,
and_operating systems.

------
lake99
I did_my bachelors (in India) in the_mid-90s, and we_all coded this way in our
8085_labs._Many of us_even_did_final-year projects_on similar-looking 8085
kits.

Given_that_such kits_are_still sold [1] in India, I_guess_quite a few
engineering students still learn to_code like that.

My bosses,_though,_had all worked on_punched cards.

[1]: [http://www.dynalogindia.com/products/education-
solutions/808...](http://www.dynalogindia.com/products/education-
solutions/8085-microprocessor-262.html)

~~~
kamaal
>>Given that such_kits are still sold [1] in_India, I_guess quite_a few
engineering students still learn to code like that.

Did my Bachelors(in_India) in 2010's, and yes even_we coded this way_in our
8085_labs!!!_Nothing has changed._Talked_to my_cousin who is now in his 3rd
semester,_They to_start out coding the same way._Its 2013 and NOTHING_has
changed.

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kps
Not_to go all Yorkshire, but I_used to _dream_ of having a_KIM