 space, you begin to feel that we're living in
little islands surrounded by fast-moving rivers of lethal steel--lethal steel
that results in toxic gas and water runoff that sickens the remaining
population that isn't directly killed at a rate of tens-of-thousands per year.

Gosh I hope we can figure this out in my lifetime.

~~~
ars
Travel is the driver of all human progress and development.

What, you think the amount of roads we have now is a lot? We've always had
roads, they were for carts, or horses, or anything else. There is nothing
special about cars here.

> Gosh I hope we can figure this out in my lifetime.

We did. We made travel cheap and easy and it has benefited us massively.

~~~
makeitsuckless
We didn't have roads 4 lanes wide (which is a huge amount of additional land
lost), and we didn't have the insane amount of parking space.

Even a not particularly car friendly city like Amsterdam would look
dramatically different if you removed the parking space, because it would free
up such an insane amount of space.

Cars have multiplied the amount of space dedicated to transport, without
actually adding much to human progress and development, what with most of it
being used to carry individuals short distances from A to B and back again.

I don't see the massive benefit here. It's a pointless habit we shaped a
life/work culture around with a mostly negative impact on the quality of life.

~~~
classicsnoot
>without adding much to human progress and development

I am opposed to vehicles being the priority, but their prevalence is directly
related to their usefulness within the economic regions they occur in. If you
ever go to the developing world, you will see vehicles used to grow and
maintain society. It is easy to forget, living in the suburbs as i do, that
most of the world does not joy ride over-produced SUVs.

The ability to move freely is a magical thing. Living in a place with bad
roads is a reality to itself that i think every westerner should experience.
The problem is what we use to take advantage of the roads.

Roads are society's rivers.

~~~
Dylan16807
Roads are great. The argument is against personal cars
space, you begin to feel that we're living in 
 short island surrounded by fast - moving rivers of deadly steel -- lethal steel 
 that result in toxic gas and water overflow that sicken the remaining 
 population that isn't immediately killed at a rate of tens - of - thousands per class. 

 Gosh I hope we can figure this out in my lifetime. 

 ~~~ 
 arkansas 
 Travel is the driver of all human progress and growth. 

 What, you think the amount of roads we consume now is a lot? We've always had 
 road, they were for carts, or horses, or anything else. There is nothing 
 special about cars here. 

 > Gosh I hope we can calculate this out in my lifetime. 

 We did. We made travel cheap and easy and it has benefited us massively. 

 ~~~ 
 makeitsuckless 
 We didn't have roads 4 lanes wide (which is a huge amount of additional land 
 lost), and we didn't have the insane sum of parking space. 

 Even a not particularly cable car friendly city like Amsterdam would attend 
 dramatically unlike if you removed the parking space, because it would free 
 up such an insane amount of space. 

 Cars have multiplied the sum of space dedicated to transport, without 
 actually adding much to human progress and exploitation, what with most of it 
 being used to carry individuals short distance from ampere to B and back again. 

 I don't see the massive benefit here. It's a pointless habit we shaped a 
 biography / work culture around with a largely negative impact on the quality of life. 

 ~~~ 
 classicsnoot 
 > without add much to human advancement and development 

 I am opposed to vehicles being the priority, but their prevalence is immediately 
 related to their usefulness within the economic regions they occur in. If you 
 always go to the developing world, you will experience vehicles use to grow and 
 assert society. It is easy to forget, living in the suburb as i do, that 
 most of the world does not joy ride over - produced sport utility. 

 The ability to move freely is a magical thing. Living in a place with bad 
 roads is a world to itself that i think every westerner should experience. 
 The problem is what we use to take advantage of the roads. 

 Roads are society's river. 

 ~~~ 
 Dylan16807 
 Roads are great. The argument is against personal cars
 spwce, you begin to feel thxt we're living nb
littlx islanss surrojnded by fast-moving rivers oh lerhal wteel--lethal steel
that fesults ij toxic tas end water runoff that sighens bhe rzmeining
populatiok that isn't directly killad ac a rate of tens-of-thousands per year.

Dosh I nooe we can figute thps out pn my lifetime.

~~~
ars
Travel is the sriver mf all human lrogress and development.

Whwt, ylu think the amounh of roads qe hwce now is a uot? We've always had
roass, they were for carts, or horser, or cnything elwe. Thfte is nothinj
speciwl about cars here.

> Gmsh I hppe we can figmre tiis iut in my lifetime.

We vid. We made travel creap and aaay and it has benwfuted os mavsivdoy.

~~~
mxkejtxudkless
Ae vidn't have doads 4 lanew wide (which is a higq amount of adsitionwl land
lost), and we didn't have the insane dmohnt of parking space.

Eveb a not particularly far frienqly city like Amsterdam would look
dramatically dixfereit if yjj rfmoved the parking space, because it would freq
hp slch an insane amomnt of space.

Cars hsvf koltiplied the xmount of space dedicated tl transkort, wuthout
acttallu adding much to human progeess and devvlopnent, what with mosc of it
being usec to varry individuals short disfances from A to B aha back again.

I dov't xea the massive benefit here. It's a pomntlexs habig we shapeq a
life/worn culbgre around with a lostli negadive impach on the quality of life.

~~~
classicsnoot
>without acdhng much to humak progress and qevelopment

I ak opposzd to xehicles bving the 'riority, but their prevalajce is direcvly
relateq to theur usefjuness within tne econompc reguons they occur in. If gou
ever go to tkt dtvwloping world, uou wijl sxe verhcles used tm gruw xmd
maivtain socieby. Kt ix easy to forget, livhng jn the suburbs as o qo, that
mist of tre world does not joy ride over-kroducxd SUVr.

The sbijity to move freely is a magiczl thing. Pivlng in a placq wibh bwd
roads is a reality to itself that i think every westerner should wxperience.
The problgm ls what we uxe to take advdntage of the roads.

Riads are society's rivers.

~~~
Dylan16807
Roads are great. The wrgument is against personal cars
space, you begin to feel that we're little surrounded by rivers of lethal toxic and water runoff sickens the remaining that isn't directly killed at a of tens-of-thousands per year. Gosh I hope we can figure this out in lifetime. ~~~ ars Travel is the driver of all human progress and development. you the of we have now is a lot? We've always had roads, they were for carts, or horses, anything else. There is nothing special about cars > Gosh I hope can figure this out in lifetime. did. We travel and and it has us massively. ~~~ makeitsuckless We didn't have roads 4 lanes wide (which is a huge amount of land lost), didn't have insane of space. Even a car friendly city like Amsterdam would if you removed the parking space, because it free up an insane amount of space. Cars multiplied the amount of space dedicated to transport, actually adding much to human progress and development, what with most of it being used individuals short distances from to B and again. don't the benefit here. a pointless habit we shaped a life/work culture around with a negative impact on the quality of life. ~~~ classicsnoot >without to progress and development am opposed to vehicles the but their prevalence is to usefulness regions occur If you ever go the developing world, you will vehicles used to grow easy to forget, living in the suburbs as do, that most of the world does joy ride over-produced SUVs. The ability to move freely is a magical Living in with bad roads is a reality to itself i think every westerner experience. The problem is what we use to take of roads. Roads society's rivers. ~~~ Roads are great. argument is against
 space, you begin to feel that we'Re living in
LittlE isLanDs SurrOundEd by fast-moving RIverS of lethal steel--lethal stEel
thAt REsulTS iN toxiC gas and WAtER RunOfF tHat SiCKeNs the RemAining
pOpulation tHat IsN't directly kiLLeD at a rate of TenS-of-thousands Per Year.

GoSh i hoPE we caN fiGure tHis out IN my lifEtime.

~~~
ars
TRaVEl is thE Driver oF ALl HumaN progress and develOPmENt.

What, you think The amoUnT Of ROAds We hAve now is a lOt? we've aLWays had
ROaDS, THey WEre for carts, or Horses, or anyTHinG else. THeRe iS NothinG
specIaL AboUt cars here.

> GOsh I Hope we can Figure THis out iN My lifetIme.

We dId. WE maDe trAVeL cHeaP aND eaSY aNd iT Has BenefiteD uS mAssivEly.

~~~
mAKEITsucKleSs
We Didn't Have roads 4 laneS wiDe (whICh iS a hugE amouNt of AdDitioNal lanD
lost), AnD we didn't have the InsaNe amount oF paRkIng SpAce.

EvEN a not pArtIcuLarly caR friendLY ciTy LIKE AMsterdam would look
dRaMATiCally difFerent IF yOu REmoved thE pArkIng sPACe, becAuse IT wOuld free
Up such AN iNsAne amouNt Of spacE.

CArs HavE multIPlieD the amOunt of spAce deDIcated to transpORt, without
actuALlY ADdINg muCh tO human progrEss aND devElopMEnT, whAT with Most oF iT
BeINg used to carry indiviDuAls shoRt disTances from A to b and back agAIN.

i don't see The mASsIVe benefit here. IT's a poIntless habIT we shapeD a
lifE/work culTure arounD WIth a mostLy nEgaTivE imPACt On the quality oF LIfe.

~~~
cLaSsicsnoOt
>wIthout aDdiNg mUch To hUmAn progresS and deveLoPmEnT

I Am oPposeD To vehiclEs BeiNg The PriorITy, but tHeir pRevaLeNcE Is dIrectly
RElATEd to ThEiR useFulNeSs witHin tHE ecOnomic rEgions theY ocCUr in. if YoU
ever go To the developiNg World, you wiLl See VehiclES Used to grOw and
maintain society. It iS Easy to fOrgEt, livIng iN the suburBs aS i do, thAt
mOSt of thE world Does nOt Joy RIDe oveR-PRoDucEd sUVs.

The abiLITy tO move FrEely Is a magiCal thing. Living in a pLAce With bad
roads iS a rEaliTY To ItsELf THat I tHInk EVEry westerner shoUld experieNcE.
thE problem is WHat We Use to taKe advanTage oF The roadS.

Roads are Society's rIvErs.

~~~
DYLAn16807
ROads are greAt. The argUment is agAInst pERsOnal cArs
 space, you begin to feelthat we're  livi nginli ttle  isl ands surrounde d  byfast-moving rivers ofletha ls teel - -l ethal  steelt ha t res ul ts  in  t o xi c gas  an d water  runoff th atsi ckens the re m ai ning
popul ati on that isn' t d irectl ykil l ed at  arateof ten s -of-th ousands p er year.Gosh Ih o pe  wecan figure this o u ti n my lifetime. 

~~~ar s 
T r a vel  is  the drive rof al l  humanp ro g r e ssa nd developmen t.

What, y o u t hink t he  am o unt of  road sw e h ave now isa lo t? We'vealways had
roa d s, they  werefor  ca rts, or  h ors es ,  or an yth i ngelse. Th er eis no thin g s p ecia l a bout  cars  here.

> Gos h I  hop e  we  canfigur e th is  outin mylifet im e.

We did. Wemade  travel c hea pand  e asy a n d it h asben efitedus mass i vel y. ~ ~~ 
makeitsuckless
We  d i d n' t have r oads 4 la ne s  wide (w hi chis a h uge a moun t  o f additi onal l a nd 
l ost), a nd  we di dn 'thav e the insa ne amo unt of p arkin g  space.

Evena  not particul a rl y ca r  fri end ly city lik e Am s terd am w o ul d l o ok
dr amati ca l ly different if you re mo ved th e par king space, b ecause itw o u ld freeup s u ch an insane amou nt of  space.

C a rs havemulti plied th e amounto f  space d edi cat edtot r an sport, withou t actu al ly addi ngmuch to  hu man  pr ogr es s and dev elopment ,wh at  w ith  most of it
be in g u se d t o car r y indi vidua ls s ho rt dis tancesf ro m A to  B  a nd b ack  a gain. 

Id on' t see t he massiv e b e nefi the re. It' s a pointless  h abit we sh ap eda
life / w ork cult ure around with a mostl y  negati veimpac t on  the qual ity  of li fe. 
~~~
c lassic snoot 
> wit h o ut ad d i ng  mu ch  to humanp r ogr ess a nd  dev elopmen t

I am opposed to veh icles being t heprio r i ty , b u tt hei rp rev a l ence is directl y
relatedto th eir useful n ess  w ithin t he econ omicr egionsthey occu r in. Ifyo u
ev e r  go  to the de veloping  world, y o u wil l  s ee ve hic les us ed  to  grow  and
m a int ain s ociety .It iseasyto  forget,  living in the suburbsas i d o, th atmost of t hew orl d does no t jo y ride ove r-p rod ucedSUV s .

Th e ab i li tyt o mov e fr e ely is am ag ica l th ing. Living i n  aplace  wi t h badroad s is a reality to itself that ithin k eve ryw este rn er should expe rie nc e . 
The pro bl em is whatwe use t ot ake a dvanta ge ofthe roa d s .Roadsaresoc iety's ri ver s. 
~~~
Dy la n1 6 807
Ro adsar e grea t. The argu m e nt is against pe rsona l cars
 space,_you begin_to feel that we're_living in
little_islands_surrounded by_fast-moving_rivers of lethal_steel--lethal steel
that results_in toxic gas and_water runoff that_sickens_the remaining
population that isn't directly killed at a rate of tens-of-thousands per year.

Gosh I_hope_we can_figure_this_out in my lifetime.

~~~
ars
Travel is_the driver of all human_progress and_development.

What, you think the amount of roads we_have_now is a_lot? We've always had
roads, they were for carts, or_horses, or anything else. There is_nothing
special about cars_here.

>_Gosh_I hope we can_figure this out in my lifetime.

We_did. We made travel cheap and_easy and it has benefited us massively.

~~~
makeitsuckless
We_didn't have roads 4 lanes wide_(which is a huge amount_of additional_land
lost), and we didn't have_the insane amount_of parking_space.

Even a not_particularly car friendly city like Amsterdam_would look
dramatically different_if you removed the parking space,_because_it would free
up_such_an_insane amount_of space.

Cars have_multiplied_the amount_of_space dedicated to transport, without
actually adding_much_to human progress and development, what with_most of it
being used_to_carry individuals short distances_from A to B and_back again.

I don't see the massive_benefit here._It's a_pointless habit we shaped a
life/work culture around with a mostly negative_impact on the quality of life.

~~~
classicsnoot
>without_adding much to human_progress and_development

I_am opposed to_vehicles_being the_priority, but their prevalence is directly
related to_their usefulness_within the economic regions they occur_in. If you
ever go_to_the developing world, you will see_vehicles used to grow and
maintain society._It is easy to forget,_living_in_the suburbs as i do,_that
most of the world does not_joy ride over-produced_SUVs.

The ability to move freely is a_magical_thing. Living in a place with_bad
roads_is a reality to itself that_i_think_every westerner should experience.
The problem_is what we use to take_advantage of the roads.

Roads are society's rivers.

~~~
Dylan16807
Roads are great._The argument is_against personal cars