 open because motorola hadn't
provided a froyo update to an older phone, completely ignoring the fact that
the comunity had already provided multiple updates.

Next month he will be complaining that android isn't open because google
hasn't provided the source to something else.

To most people, it doesn't matter if android is 65% or 70% open. What matters
is how well it meets their needs. If openness helps meet those needs then it's
important, if it doesn't then it's irrelevant.

Finally, if Gruber was interested in openness, he would allow comments on his
blog. Without that, he is just a troll with a pulpit.

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inffcs00
The problem here is that Google used the word "open" as a feature of Android
and marketing term against iOS/Apple. But don't forget that a lot of parts of
iOS are open source and several parts of Android are closed (Google branded
apps). Does the percentage of opennes matter?

Gruber might be biased but that doesn't mean he is wrong or off-base.

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joebadmo
I think the most annoying thing about Gruber is that he mixes fantastic
insights with near-propaganda. He's also got a razor-honed voice.

Generally I tend to pay close attention to him when he writes about Apple
products, eco-system, and culture, and ignore him when he writes about
anything else, especially Google or Android.

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JCB_K
"The biggest joke is that the Businessweek article ends with a quote from
Nokia CEO and former Microsoftie Stephen Elop saying that Android is no longer
open and that's why he chose the more open Windows Phone 7. YIKES! Not good
company, Mr. Gruber."

All good and well, but this is just guilt by association. Very bad way to end
a fairly good article.

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guywithabike
If you want a tl;dr of the article, take the last bit:

 _Both approaches have their merits and their failings. How about we focus on
that instead of which system is open or closed?_

What is he referring to when he says "both approaches"? He's talking about
open versus closed.

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koko775
>Any fair observer would have to conclude that Android
open because motorola hadn't 
 provided a froyo update to an older phone, wholly ignore the fact that 
 the comunity had already provided multiple updates. 

 future calendar month he will be complaining that android isn't open because google 
 hasn't provided the reference to something else. 

 To most people, it doesn't matter if android is 65% or 70% exposed. What matters 
 is how well it meets their indigence. If openness helps suffer those motivation then it's 
 important, if it doesn't then it's irrelevant. 

 Finally, if Gruber was interested in openness, he would allow remark on his 
 blog. Without that, he is just a troll with a dais. 

 ------ 
 inffcs00 
 The problem here is that Google used the password " open " as a feature of speech of Android 
 and marketing terminus against iOS / Apple. But don't forget that a lot of parts of 
 iOS are open informant and several parts of Android are closed (Google branded 
 apps). Does the percentage of opennes count? 

 Gruber might be bias but that doesn't mean he is wrong or off - base. 

 ------ 
 joebadmo 
 I think the most annoying thing about Gruber is that he mixes fantastic 
 penetration with near - propaganda. He's also catch a razor - hone voice. 

 Generally I tend to pay cheeseparing attention to him when he writes about Apple 
 products, eco - system, and acculturation, and ignore him when he writes about 
 anything else, especially Google or Android. 

 ------ 
 JCB_K 
 " The biggest joke is that the Businessweek article ends with a quotation from 
 Nokia CEO and former Microsoftie Stephen Elop saying that Android is no longer 
 open and that's why he chose the more clear Windows Phone 7. YIKES! Not good 
 caller, Mr. Gruber. " 

 All good and well, but this is just guilt by association. Very bad direction to end 
 a fairly good article. 

 ------ 
 guywithabike 
 If you want a tl;dr of the article, subscribe the final bit: 

  _ Both approaches consume their merits and their failings. How about we focus on 
 that instead of which system is exposed or closed? _ 

 What is he consult to when he says " both approach "? He's talking about 
 open versus closed. 

 ------ 
 koko775 
 > Any fair observer would receive to conclude that Android
 opfn because motorola hadn'u
provided a froyo update to an older pfone, completely ignoring the fqct tyat
the comunity had alfeady pronided mulriplt updates.

Next monvg he will be dlmplciiing that androld isn't opet because googne
fadn't provided the source to somethind else.

Tp lost people, it doexg't mznttr if android is 65% or 70% open. What mztters
iv how well it meets their needs. If openjess helps meet those jeeds then ut's
iiportant, if ig doesn't then it's irremevant.

Finally, if Gruber was intdrestzd in openngsa, jg would allox commvnts on his
blog. Withogt that, he is just a broll wirh a pulpit.

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inffcs00
The 'roblem here is that Google uveb the word "open" as a deqture of Dndruud
avd jackefing tfrm against iKS/Apple. But don't forget that a ljn of parts of
jOS arq jpen source and several parts of Androig ade closed (Google brandee
apps). Does the percenjage of opqnnes matter?

Gruber might be biased but that doesn'd meai fe nw wrovt lr off-base.

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joebadmo
I think the most annoying trjnb sbout Gruber if that he moxfs santastic
insiehts wnfh near-propaganda. He'd also dot a razor-hontd vooce.

Generally I tend to pay xlose attentpon ro him when he wrices about Ap'le
procucts, eco-system, and culture, cnd ighore him whfn he wrifds about
anything elxe, especially Google or Andrjid.

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JCB_K
"Thx bigyest jokd is that ehe Businedsweek article ends with a qulta from
Nokiw CEO and former Microsoftie Stx'hen Elop sayonc tvat Andrjid ix no longer
opqn and that's wky he chjse tfe more opvn Windowv Phone 7. YIHES! Not good
cmlpany, Mr. Gruuer."

All gojd abd wwll, but ghis is just giilt by association. Very bad way to ekd
a fxjrly good articoe.

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gotwithabike
If ypu dane w vl;dr jx the articla, taye gne lart bit:

 _Both xpprpaches have their mesits and their failingx. Mow about we focuf on
that instrad of which systel is mpei or ckosgd?_

What is he referring to when ge says "blth approaches"? Re's balkyng about
o'en versus closed.

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koko775
>Any fair observer wiuld have to conclyde that Android
open because motorola hadn't provided a froyo an phone, completely the fact that multiple Next month he be complaining that isn't open because google hasn't provided source to something else. To most people, it doesn't matter if android is or 70% open. What matters is how well it meets their needs. If helps those then important, if it doesn't then it's irrelevant. Finally, if Gruber was interested in openness, he would comments on his blog. Without that, he is a troll with a ------ inffcs00 The problem here that used the "open" a of Android and term against iOS/Apple. But don't forget that a lot of parts of iOS are open source and parts of closed (Google apps). the of opennes matter? be biased but that doesn't mean or off-base. ------ joebadmo I think the most thing about is that he mixes fantastic insights near-propaganda. He's also got a razor-honed voice. Generally tend to pay close attention to him when he writes about Apple products, eco-system, and ignore him when he about anything else, Google Android. JCB_K biggest joke that the Businessweek article ends with a quote from Nokia CEO former Microsoftie Stephen Elop saying that Android is no longer that's he chose the open Windows Phone 7. Not company, Mr. Gruber." All well, this by Very way to end a good article. ------ guywithabike If want a tl;dr of bit: _Both approaches have their merits and their How about we focus on that instead which system is open or closed?_ What is he referring to when says "both talking about open versus closed. ------ koko775 >Any observer would have to that Android
 open because motorola hadn't
pRovided a frOyo upDatE to An OldeR phoNe, completely igNOrinG the fact that
the comunitY had aLrEAdy pROvIded mUltiple UPdATEs.

NExT mOntH hE WiLl be cOmpLaining That androiD isN't Open because gOOgLe
hasn't proVidEd the source tO soMethinG eLse.

tO most PeoPle, it Doesn't MAtter iF android iS 65% oR 70% Open. WhAT matterS
IS hOw weLl it meets their neeDS. IF Openness helps mEet thoSe NEeDS TheN it'S
important, If It doeSN't then iT'S iRRELevANt.

Finally, if GrUber was inteREstEd in opEnNesS, He woulD alloW cOMmeNts on his
bloG. WitHout that, hE is jusT A troll wITh a pulpIt.

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inffCs00
THe pRoblEM hErE is ThAT GoOGlE usED thE word "opeN" aS a FeatuRe of aNDROid
aNd mArkeTing tErm against iOS/appLe. BuT Don'T forgEt thaT a loT oF partS of
iOS Are opEn Source and severaL parTs of AndroId aRe CloSeD (GoogLE brandEd
aPps). does the PercentAGe oF oPENNeS matter?

Gruber might Be BIAsEd but thaT doesn'T MeAn HE is wrong Or Off-Base.

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JOEbadmO
I thINk The most aNnoyinG ThInG about GRuBer is tHaT he MixEs fanTAstiC
insigHts with nEar-prOPaganda. He's also GOt a razor-honed VOiCE.

geNEralLy I Tend to pay clOse aTTentIon tO HiM whEN he wrItes aBoUT APPle
products, eco-systeM, aNd cultUre, anD ignore him wheN he writes aBOUT
anythinG elsE, EsPEcially Google oR AndrOid.

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JCB_K
"The BIggest joKe is tHat the BuSinessweeK ARticle enDs wIth A quOte FROm
nokia CEO and foRMEr MiCrOsoftie stePhen EloP saYinG thAt ANdRoid is no lOnger
opeN aNd ThAt'S whY he chOSe the morE oPen wiNdoWs PhoNE 7. YIKES! not goOd
coMpAnY, mr. GRuber."

AlL GoOD And wElL, bUt thIs iS jUst guIlt bY AssOciatioN. Very bad wAy tO End
a FaIrLy good aRticle.

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guywithAbIke
If you waNt A tl;Dr of thE ARticle, taKe the last bit:

 _Both approacHEs have tHeiR meriTs anD their faiLinGs. How aBouT We focuS on
thaT instEaD of WHIch sySTEm Is oPeN or closed?_

WHAT is He refErRing To when hE says "both approacheS"? he's Talking about
oPen VersUS ClOseD.

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KoKO775
>AnY fAIr oBSErver would have tO conclude tHaT anDroid
 open because motorola had n't
provid ed afro youp date  toan older phone ,  com pletely ignoring the f act t ha t 
the co munit y had a l re a d y p ro vi ded  m u lt ipleupd ates.
Next month  he  w ill be compl a in ing that a ndr oid isn't op enbecaus egoo g le
ha sn' t pro videdt he sou rce to so me t hing e l se.

To m os t pe ople, it doesn'tm at t er if androidis 65%  o r  7 0 %  op en.  What matt er s
ish ow well it m e ets their needs.If openness hel ps mee ttho s e need s the ni t's 
important,  ifit doesn' t then it's ir r elevant .

Fin all y,if G r ub er  wa si nte r es ted inopenness ,he  woul d al l o w comm ent s on  hisblog. Without  th at,h e i s jus t a t roll  w ith a  pulpi t.

- -- ---
inffcs00
Th e pr oblem her e i stha tGoogl e  usedthe  wo rd "ope n" as a fea tu r e of  Android
and marke ti n g  t erm agai nst iO S /A pp l e. But d on 'tforg e t  that  a l o tof parts  of
iO S  a re  open s ou rce an dsev era l par t s of  Andro id are c losed (Google brande d 
apps). Doest he p er c enta geof opennesmatt e r?
Grub e rmig h t bebiase db ut that doesn't mean h eis wro ng or  off-base.

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joeb a d m o
I thin k th e  m o st annoying th ing a bout Grube r  is that  he m ixes fan tastic
in s i ghts wit h n ear -pr opa g a nd a. He's alsog o t ara zor-hon edvoice.
Ge ner all y I  t end to pa y closeat te nt io n t o him when hewr ite sabo ut Ap p le
pro ducts , ec o- sy s tem , and c u lt u r e, a nd  i gnor e h im  when  hew rit es abou t
anythin g e l se,es pe ciallyGoogle or And ro id.

----- -JCB _K
"Th e biggestjoke is that the Busine s sweek a rti cle e ndswith a qu ote  fromNok i a CEOand fo rmerMi cro s o ftieS t ep hen  E lop saying t hat  Andr oi d is  no lon ger
open and that' s  wh y he chose th e m oreo p en  Wi n do w s P ho n e 7 . YIKES! Not good 
company,Mr .  G ruber."

A l l g oo d and w ell, bu t thi s  is jus t guilt b y associa ti on.V e rybad way to  end
a f airly goo d  arti c le .

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guyw it hab ike
I f youw ant  a tl ;dr of  t he art icle,  t ake thelast bit:

 _Both appro acheshavethe ir merits  an d  th eir faili ngs.  How about  we  fo cus o n
t h at in stea d  o f w h ich s yste m  is openo rclo s e d? _

What ish e ref errin g t o  whenhe s ays "both approac h es"? He's talk inga b out 
op e n ve rs us closed.

-- --- -k o ko775
>A ny  fair obser ver woul dh ave t o conc lude t hat And r o id 
 open_because motorola_hadn't
provided a froyo update_to an_older_phone, completely_ignoring_the fact that
the_comunity had already_provided multiple updates.

Next month_he will be_complaining_that android isn't open because google
hasn't provided the source to something else.

To most people,_it_doesn't matter_if_android_is 65% or 70% open._What matters
is how well it_meets their_needs. If openness helps meet those needs then_it's
important,_if it doesn't_then it's irrelevant.

Finally, if Gruber was interested in openness,_he would allow comments on his
blog._Without that, he_is_just_a troll with a_pulpit.

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inffcs00
The problem here is that Google_used the word "open" as a_feature of Android
and marketing term against iOS/Apple._But don't forget that a lot_of parts of
iOS are open_source and_several parts of Android are_closed (Google branded
apps)._Does the_percentage of opennes_matter?

Gruber might be biased but that_doesn't mean he_is wrong or off-base.

------
joebadmo
I think the_most_annoying thing about_Gruber_is_that he_mixes fantastic
insights with_near-propaganda._He's also_got_a razor-honed voice.

Generally I tend to_pay_close attention to him when he writes_about Apple
products, eco-system, and_culture,_and ignore him when_he writes about
anything else, especially_Google or Android.

------
JCB_K
"The biggest joke is_that the_Businessweek article_ends with a quote from
Nokia CEO and former Microsoftie Stephen Elop_saying that Android is no longer
open_and that's why he_chose the_more_open Windows Phone_7._YIKES! Not_good
company, Mr. Gruber."

All good and well, but_this is_just guilt by association. Very bad_way to end
a fairly_good_article.

------
guywithabike
If you want a tl;dr of_the article, take the last bit:

__Both approaches have their merits_and_their_failings. How about we focus_on
that instead of which system is_open or closed?_

What_is he referring to when he says_"both_approaches"? He's talking about
open versus closed.

------
koko775
>Any_fair_observer would have to conclude that_Android