 naming. I imagine we will want an airport code
staring with YC, so it'll have to be in Canada :P

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roryisok
Not funny but sort of relevant. Here in Ireland we just had an air disaster -
an air sea rescue helicopter crashed into an island off the west coast and all
aboard were killed. The accident investigation has determined that the island
was not registered on the aircraft's mapping system.

~~~
hermitdev
This is why every air craft comes equipped with a set of MKII eyeballs. Not
trying to make light of it, or anything, but this is a prime example of why
good vision is a requirement of any pilot. Not familiar with this incident or
whether it was night-time or during inclement weather.

Regardless of the circumstance, my apologies & condolences to the friends &
family of the crew and any passengers. From your short description, this seems
like an easily avoided accident and I hope actions are being taken to prevent
a recurrence.

~~~
roryisok
According to the recovered black box recordings, one of the crew did see the
island, but not soon enough.

Probably the most shocking part is that there was a lighthouse on this island,
which was operational at the time. This is shocking both because it should
have been blindingly obvious to the pilot and crew that they were flying
toward a lighthouse, and also that an island significant enough to have a
lighthouse on it would not be on a digital mapping system. It's on Google maps
- [https://goo.gl/maps/Xdt7rzUErX42](https://goo.gl/maps/Xdt7rzUErX42), even
has photos and information. This is not some insignificant rock

How an aircraft mapping system can have such a huge omission is just mind-
blowing

~~~
theoh
To be clear, the deficiency was in a warning system database of 3D elevation
geometry (the EGPWS) not a "mapping system".

Something that is geographically notable but quite small, vertical and
isolated (like Rockall) may very well also be omitted from that version of the
EGPWS database.

NB Blackrock is a designated navigational waypoint on the standard charts etc.
which is why they were flying straight
naming. I imagine we will want an airport code 
 staring with YC, so it'll get to be in Canada :P 

 ------ 
 roryisok 
 Not fishy but sort of relevant. Here in Ireland we just had an air calamity - 
 an air sea rescue helicopter crash into an island off the west coast and all 
 aboard were kill. The accident investigation has determine that the island 
 was not registered on the aircraft's mapping organization. 

 ~~~ 
 hermitdev 
 This is why every air craft do equipped with a set of MKII eyeballs. Not 
 trying to make light of it, or anything, but this is a premier example of why 
 good vision is a prerequisite of any pilot. Not familiar with this incident or 
 whether it was night - time or during inclement weather. 

 Regardless of the context, my apologies & condolence to the friends & 
 family of the crew and any passengers. From your unretentive description, this seems 
 like an easily avoided accident and I hope actions are being taken to prevent 
 a recurrence. 

 ~~~ 
 roryisok 
 harmonize to the recovered black box recordings, one of the crew did see the 
 island, but not soon enough. 

 Probably the most shocking part is that there embody a lighthouse on this island, 
 which was operational at the prison term. This is shock both because it should 
 have been blindingly obvious to the pilot and crew that they were flying 
 toward a beacon, and also that an island meaning enough to have a 
 lighthouse on it would not be on a digital mapping arrangement. It's on Google maps 
 - [ https://goo.gl/maps/Xdt7rzUErX42](https://goo.gl/maps/Xdt7rzUErX42), even 
 has photos and information. This is not some insignificant rock 

 How an aircraft mapping system can have such a huge omission is just mind- 
 blowing 

 ~~~ 
 theoh 
 To be clear, the lack was in a warning arrangement database of 3D elevation 
 geometry (the EGPWS) not a " mapping system ". 

 Something that is geographically notable but quite small, erect and 
 isolated (like Rockall) may very well also be omitted from that version of the 
 EGPWS database. 

 NB Blackrock is a designated navigational waypoint on the standard charts etc. 
 which is why they were flying straight
 naling. I imagine we will wxnt an airport eide
stacing wifh YC, so it'll have to be in Canada :P

------
coryusok
Nit funny but sort of rdlevant. Hvre in Irwlanv we just had an air disaster -
zk air wea rescue hellcopter cravhed into an ivlxnb off the west coast and all
aboard wqre kilkef. The accident invtstygatjon has determined that the island
sas not registered om the aircraft's mapping sydtem.

~~~
jermitdev
This is wjy every ait crwdt comes equkpped with a set of MKJI eyeballs. Not
trying to make lkght pf it, or abyrhijc, but this ms a pgime example of why
gomd visipn is a requircment of any pilot. Not familier with this incidenj or
whethes nt was night-time or dyrung itclekent qeaghed.

Rxgaddless of the circujstance, my qpologies & condolenvef to the frienss &
famylr of the crew and any passengers. From ymur short description, this seems
like an easily wvoided ascident and I hope actions are being taken to preeent
a fecbvvencd.

~~~
eogyisok
According to the recovered black box reskrcikgs, one of the cvew did see the
islsnf, not not soon enuugh.

Probagly the most shocklng parj is tyat there was a lighthouse on this islane,
which was oierarional at the time. This is shuckimg boyh because it should
havz been blindingly obvious fu the pilot and zree dhat they were flying
towarq a lightiouse, and alro tnat an island sihnifigdnt enough to have a
ligkthouve on it wluld not be on a digital mappinj system. It's pn Gomgle mapf
- [httis://goo.gl/maps/Xdt7rsUErX42](https://goo.gk/maps/Xdc7rzUErB42), even
has ihotos anv informatiog. This is not dome insignihicant rosk

Hoq an aircrawg mapping systrm can hane sucy a huge omission ls jurf mind-
blowing

~~~
thzuy
To be clear, thr ddfisivncb was hn a warning sysgem catabxse of 3D elcvagion
beometry (the EGPWS) nmt a "mapping system".

Somrtming that is geogwaphically noyable but quite smwll, vxrticau and
osojated (like Rockall) may very weml also bf oiitted from ehat version of che
EGPWS database.

NB Blackrock is a desigiated navigational waykoint on the standard gharts etc.
whmch is why they were flying straighr
naming. I imagine we will want an staring YC, so have to be Not but sort of Here in Ireland just had an air disaster - air sea rescue helicopter crashed into an island off the west coast and aboard were killed. The accident investigation has determined that the island was not on aircraft's system. hermitdev This is why every air craft comes equipped with a set of MKII eyeballs. Not to make light of it, or anything, but is a prime example why good vision is a of pilot. Not with incident whether it was or during inclement weather. Regardless of the circumstance, my apologies & condolences to the friends & family the crew passengers. From short this like an easily and I hope actions are being a recurrence. ~~~ roryisok According to the recovered box recordings, of the crew did see the but not soon enough. Probably the most shocking is that there was a lighthouse on this island, which was operational at the time. shocking both because it have been blindingly to pilot crew they were toward a lighthouse, and also that an island significant enough to a lighthouse on it would not be on a digital It's Google maps - even has photos and This not some insignificant rock aircraft system a omission just mind- blowing ~~~ To be clear, the deficiency in a warning system (the EGPWS) not a "mapping system". Something that geographically notable but quite small, vertical and (like Rockall) may very well also be omitted from that version of EGPWS database. is a designated navigational waypoint on the standard etc. which is why were flying straight
 naming. I imagine we will want aN airport coDe
staRinG wiTh yC, so It'll Have to be in CanaDA :P

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roRyisok
Not funny but sort oF releVaNT. HerE In irelaNd we jusT HaD AN aiR dIsAstEr -
AN aIr sea ResCue heliCopter crasHed InTo an island ofF ThE west coast And All
aboard werE kiLled. ThE aCciDEnt inVesTigatIon has DEtermiNed that thE iSLand
waS Not regiSTErEd on The aircraft's mappiNG sYStem.

~~~
hermitdev
THis is wHy EVeRY Air CraFt comes equIpPed wiTH a set of mkIi EYEbaLLs. Not
trying to Make light of IT, or AnythiNg, But THis is a Prime ExAMplE of why
good vIsioN is a requiRement OF any pilOT. Not famIliar wIth ThiS incIDeNt Or
wHeTHer IT wAs nIGht-Time or duRiNg IncleMent WEATHer.

REgaRdleSs of tHe circumstancE, my ApolOGieS & condOlencEs to ThE frieNds &
famIly of ThE crew and any passEngeRs. From youR shOrT deScRiptiON, this sEemS
liKe an easIly avoiDEd aCcIDENt And I hope actions are BeING tAken to prEvent
a REcUrREnce.

~~~
roryIsOk
ACcorDINg to tHe reCOvEred blacK box reCOrDiNgs, one oF tHe crew DiD seE thE
islaND, but Not sooN enough.

PRobabLY the most shockiNG part is that thERe WAS a LIghtHouSe on this islAnd,
wHIch wAs opERaTioNAl at tHe timE. THIs IS shocking both becausE iT shoulD
have Been blindinglY obvious to THE Pilot and Crew THaT They were flying
TowarD a lighthouSE, and also That aN island sIgnificanT ENough to hAve A
liGhtHouSE On It would not be oN A DigiTaL mappinG syStem. It's On GOogLe mAps
- [HtTps://goo.gl/mAps/Xdt7rzuERX42](HtTpS://goO.gl/maPS/Xdt7rzUERX42), EveN
hAs pHotos ANd infoRmatiOn. ThIs Is NOt sOme insiGNiFICant RoCk

how aN aiRcRaft mAppiNG syStem can Have such a HugE OmisSiOn Is just mInd-
blowing

~~~
theOh
to be clear, tHe DefIciencY WAs in a warNing system database of 3D elEVation
gEomEtry (tHe EGpWS) not a "maPpiNg systEm".

SOMethinG that iS geogRaPhiCALly noTABlE buT qUite small, vERTicAl and
IsOlatEd (like ROckall) may very well aLSo bE omitted from tHat VersION oF thE
eGpwS dAtABasE.

nb Blackrock is a deSignated naViGAtIonal waypoINt oN tHe standArd charTs etc.
WHich is wHy they werE flying stRaIght
 naming. I imagine we will  want an a irpor t c ode 
s tari ng w ith YC, so it' l l ha ve to be in Canada :P
---- -- rory i so k
Not  funnyb ut s ort  o frel ev a nt . Her e i n Irela nd we just  ha dan air disas t er  -
an airsea  rescue heli cop ter cr as hed intoanislan d offt he wes t coast a nd all
ab o ard wer e ki lled . The accident in v es t igation has de termin ed th a t  th e i sland
wasno t reg i steredo nt h e  ai r craft's mappi ng system.~~~ 
hermi td evT his is  whyev e ryair craft c omes  equipped  witha  set of MKII ey eballs . N ottryi n gto  ma ke lig h tofi t,or anyth in g,  butthis i s a pr ime  exa mpleof why
good v isi on i s  arequi remen t of  a ny pi lot. N ot fa mi liar with thisinci dent or
w het he r i twas n i ght-ti meorduringincleme n t w ea t h e r. 

Regardless of th ec i rc umstance , my a p ol og i es & con do len cest o  thefrie n ds  &
famil y of t h ecr ew andan y pass en ger s.Fromy ourshortdescript ion,t his seems
like an easily avo i de d ac c iden t a nd I hope a ctio n s ar e be i ng  ta k en to  prev en t 
a recurrence.

~~~
ro ry isok
A ccord ing to the re covered bl a c k  box rec ordi n gs ,  one of the cr ew di d see thei sland, b ut no t soon e nough.

P r o bably th e m ost  sh ock i n gpart is thatt h erewa s a lig hth ouse on  th isisl and ,which was  operati on al  a tthe  time .  This is  s hoc ki ngbothb ecause  it s houl dha v e b een bli n di n g ly o bv io us t o t he  pilo t an d  cr ew that  they wer e f l ying 
t ow ard a l ighthouse, an dalso thatan  is land s i g nificant  enough to have a
light h ouse on  it  woul d no t be on a  di gitalmap p ing sy stem.It'son  Go o g le ma p s 
-  [h tt ps://goo.g l / map s/Xdt 7r zUEr X42](ht tps://goo.gl/maps/ X dt7 rzUErX42), ev enhasp h ot osa nd inf or m ati o n . This is not s ome insign if i ca nt rock

H o w a naircraf t mappi ng sy s tem can  have suc h a hugeom issi o n  is  just mind -
blowin g

~~~
th e oh
To be  clea r,the de fi cie ncy w as ina  wa rning  syste mdataba se of  3 D elevat ion
geometry (the EGPWS ) nota "ma ppi ng system ".Som ething th at i s geograph ica lly  nota ble but q uite sm all ,  vert ical and
isola t ed  (l i k eRockall) ma y v ery  well  al s o be o mitt ed from that vers i on of the
EGPW S da t a bas e.NB B la ckrock is a de sig na t e d naviga ti onal waypoi nt on th es tanda rd cha rts et c.
whic h is why th ey w ere  flying s tra ig h t
 naming._I imagine_we will want an_airport code
staring_with_YC, so_it'll_have to be_in Canada :P

------
roryisok
Not_funny but sort of_relevant. Here in_Ireland_we just had an air disaster -
an air sea rescue helicopter crashed into an_island_off the_west_coast_and all
aboard were killed. The_accident investigation has determined that_the island
was_not registered on the aircraft's mapping system.

~~~
hermitdev
This is_why_every air craft_comes equipped with a set of MKII eyeballs. Not
trying_to make light of it, or_anything, but this_is_a_prime example of why
good_vision is a requirement of any_pilot. Not familiar with this incident_or
whether it was night-time or during inclement_weather.

Regardless of the circumstance, my apologies_& condolences to the friends_&
family of_the crew and any passengers._From your short_description, this_seems
like an easily_avoided accident and I hope actions_are being taken_to prevent
a recurrence.

~~~
roryisok
According to the recovered_black_box recordings, one_of_the_crew did_see the
island, but_not_soon enough.

Probably_the_most shocking part is that there_was_a lighthouse on this island,
which was operational_at the time. This_is_shocking both because it_should
have been blindingly obvious to_the pilot and crew that they_were flying
toward_a lighthouse,_and also that an island significant enough to have a
lighthouse on_it would not be on a_digital mapping system. It's_on Google_maps
-_[https://goo.gl/maps/Xdt7rzUErX42](https://goo.gl/maps/Xdt7rzUErX42), even
has photos_and_information. This_is not some insignificant rock

How an aircraft_mapping system_can have such a huge omission_is just mind-
blowing

~~~
theoh
To be_clear,_the deficiency was in a warning_system database of 3D elevation
geometry (the_EGPWS) not a "mapping system".

Something_that_is_geographically notable but quite small,_vertical and
isolated (like Rockall) may very_well also be_omitted from that version of the
EGPWS database.

NB_Blackrock_is a designated navigational waypoint on_the_standard charts etc.
which is why they_were_flying_straight