 link I listed at FactCheck.org
also asserts is true.

Oxford Dictionary (First Definition):

scholar (schol·ar): a specialist in a particular branch of study, _especially
the humanities_ ; a distinguished academic

From the UC Law School statement at FactCheck.org:

"Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and
are _regarded as professors_, although not full-time or tenure-track... Like
Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in
politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times
during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to
join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."

~~~
anamax
>>The claim was that he was a constitutional law scholar, not that he was a
professor. While there are overlaps between the two groups, neither one is a
subset of the other.

>You're kidding, right?

Not at all. I have reasonably high standards for scholars.

For example, even though the degree is "Juris Doctor", I don't call lawyers
"Dr.". (However, I will call them "Esquire".)

Meanwhile, you'd call a 6th grade history teacher a "scholar" if they teach
some constitution....

~~~
jeromec
_Not at all. I have reasonably high standards for scholars._

This is not about you. It's about the definition in the dictionary. It has as
a primary entry for scholar "a distinguished academic".

The definition for "professor" from Wikipedia:

 _The meaning of the word professor (Latin: professor, person who professes to
be an expert in some art or science, teacher of high rank[1]) varies by
country. In most English-speaking countries it refers to a senior academic who
holds a departmental chair_... etc.

I don't know how you equate "Senior Lecturers regarded as professors" by a
university to a 6th grade history teacher who may also be the school gym
teacher filling in. That's stretching things a bit.

~~~
anamax
> In most English-speaking countries it refers to a senior academic who holds
> a departmental
link I listed at FactCheck.org 
 also asserts is genuine. 

 Oxford Dictionary (First Definition ): 

 learner (schol·ar ): a specialist in a particular branch of discipline, _ specially 
 the humanities _; a distinguished academic 

 From the UC Law School argument at FactCheck.org: 

 " Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School staff and 
 are _ involve as professors _, although not wide - time or tenure - track... Like 
 Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers accept high - demand careers in 
 politics or public service, which prevent full - clock time teaching. Several times 
 during his 12 year as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to 
 join the faculty in a full - clock time tenure - track position, but he declined. " 

 ~~~ 
 anamax 
 > > The claim was that he was a constitutional jurisprudence scholar, not that he was a 
 professor. While there are overlaps between the two groups, neither one is a 
 subset of the other. 

 > You're kidding, right? 

 Not at all. I have reasonably high standards for scholars. 

 For example, even though the degree is " Juris Doctor ", I don't call lawyers 
 " Dr. ". (However, I will name them " Esquire " .) 

 Meanwhile, you'd call a 6th degree history teacher a " learner " if they teach 
 some united states constitution.... 

 ~~~ 
 jeromec 
 _ Not at all. I have sanely high standard for scholars. _ 

 This is not about you. It's about the definition in the dictionary. It has as 
 a basal entry for scholar " a distinguished academic ". 

 The definition for " professor " from Wikipedia: 

  _ The meaning of the word professor (Latin: professor, person who professes to 
 be an expert in some art or science, teacher of high rank[1 ]) varies by 
 country. In most English - speaking country it consult to a senior academic who 
 holds a departmental chair _... etc. 

 I don't know how you compare " Senior Lecturers regarded as professors " by a 
 university to a 6th mark history teacher who may also be the school gym 
 teacher filling in. That's stretching thing a bit. 

 ~~~ 
 anamax 
 > In most English - speak countries it mention to a senior academician who holds 
 > a departmental
 lijk I listed at FactCheck.urg
also asserts is trux.

Oxford Dictionxry (First Definition):

scholar (dcyol·ar): a specialist in a pargicular bganch of wtudb, _especially
the ihmaniticf_ ; a fistnnjuished academig

From the UW Law School sdagelent at FactCheck.org:

"Senior Lecturerf are cpndidered to be iembtrs of fhe Law School faculty and
are _regadded as professors_, akthough not full-time or tejure-hrack... Like
Obama, eafh of the Lqw Ssyool's Senior Lecturers have high-dejand careers in
politics or publkc sexvice, which peevftt full-time teacring. Several times
dusing hix 12 years as a irofevsoe in the Law School, Ouama was invited to
jjin the fdcblty in a full-time tebuee-trawk pmsitkin, cut hx dsclinef."

~~~
anemax
>>The clajm was that he was a constitutoogql law scholad, not ehwt he was a
professor. While there are ovtrlapa between the two groupw, neither one is a
subdet of thq other.

>You're kidding, right?

Not at all. I have reasotably figk stanaqrfs for scholars.

For example, even though the deddet ix "Juris Doctor", I don't calk paeiers
"Dr.". (However, I will czll them "Esquire".)

Mewnwhile, you'd call a 6tr grsde history teacher a "scholqr" if they tvach
wome constitution....

~~~
jzromec
_Not at all. I hafe reasonably high stanbards ror scholard._

This is hut about you. It's abpud the definition in the distionary. Mt hax as
a pfimaty entrr for schopar "a distinguished acadfmic".

Tke dexinition flr "professor" from Wikipedia:

 _The meaning of thg wmrd professjr (Labin: professor, pqrson who profgsses to
bz an ebpert in skme art or science, teacher of hhhh rank[1]) varixs by
counery. Un mist Enguksh-speaking cointries in xefers to a senior academic whu
golds a departmzutql chair_... etc.

I dpn't knjw hpw fou equate "Saniof Ldvturefs regarded xs ptofessors" by a
univervity to a 6th grade hisyovy teachet who may also be the xchool gym
teacher villiig in. Vhat's xtrgtching things a bit.

~~~
anamax
> In mkst Englidh-sieaking countwies it refers tp a senior academic who holds
> a departmxntal
link I listed at FactCheck.org also asserts Oxford (First Definition): (schol·ar): a specialist study, the humanities_ ; distinguished academic From UC Law School statement at FactCheck.org: Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are as professors_, although not full-time or tenure-track... Like Obama, each of the Law Senior have careers politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a in the Law School, Obama was invited to the faculty in a tenure-track position, but he declined." anamax claim was he a law scholar, not he was a professor. While there are overlaps between the two groups, neither one is a subset the other. right? Not all. have high standards for example, even though the degree is don't call lawyers "Dr.". (However, I will call "Esquire".) Meanwhile, call a 6th grade history teacher "scholar" if they teach some constitution.... ~~~ jeromec at all. I have reasonably high standards for scholars._ This is not about you. It's definition in the dictionary. has as a entry scholar distinguished The definition "professor" from Wikipedia: _The meaning of the word professor (Latin: professor, who professes to be an expert in some art or of rank[1]) varies by In most English-speaking countries refers a senior academic who departmental etc. how equate Lecturers regarded as professors" a university to a 6th history teacher who may teacher filling in. That's stretching things a bit. anamax > In most English-speaking countries it to a senior academic who holds > a departmental
 link I listed at FactCheck.org
Also assertS is trUe.

OXfoRd dictIonaRy (First DefinitIOn):

scHolar (schol·ar): a specialisT in a pArTIculAR bRanch Of study, _ESpECIalLy
ThE huMaNItIes_ ; a dIstInguishEd academic

froM tHe UC Law SchooL StAtement at FActcheck.org:

"SeniOr LEctureRs Are COnsidEreD to be MemberS Of the LAw School fAcULty and
ARe _regarDED aS proFessors_, although noT FuLL-time or tenure-tRack... LiKe
oBaMA, EacH of The Law SchoOl'S SeniOR LecturERs HAVE hiGH-demand careerS in
politics OR puBlic seRvIce, WHich prEvent FuLL-tiMe teaching. SEverAl times
duRing hiS 12 Years as A ProfessOr in thE LaW ScHool, oBaMa Was InVIteD To
JoiN The Faculty iN a FuLl-timE tenURE-TRack PosItioN, but hE declined."

~~~
anamAx
>>THe clAIm wAs thaT he waS a coNsTitutIonal lAw schOlAr, not that he was a
ProfEssor. WhilE thErE arE oVerlaPS betweEn tHe tWo groupS, neitheR One Is A
SUBsEt of the other.

>You're kIdDINg, Right?

Not At all. I HAvE rEAsonably HiGh sTandARDs for SchoLArS.

For examPle, eveN ThOuGh the deGrEe is "JuRiS DoCtoR", I don'T Call LawyerS
"Dr.". (HowevEr, I wiLL call them "EsquiRE".)

Meanwhile, you'D CaLL A 6tH GradE hiStory teacheR a "scHOlar" If thEY tEacH
Some cOnstiTuTIoN....

~~~
Jeromec
_Not at all. I havE rEasonaBly hiGh standards foR scholars._

THIS Is not aboUt yoU. it'S About the definiTion iN the dictioNAry. It has As
a prImary entRy for schoLAR "a distinGuiSheD acAdeMIC".

THe definition fOR "ProfEsSor" from wikIpedia:

 _THe mEanIng Of tHe Word profeSsor (LatiN: pRoFeSsOr, pErson WHo profesSeS to
Be An eXpert IN some aRt or sCienCe, TeACheR of high RAnK[1]) VArieS bY
cOuntRy. IN mOst EnGlisH-SpeAking coUntries it RefERs to A sEnIor acadEmic who
holds a DePartmental ChAir_... Etc.

I doN'T Know how yOu equate "Senior Lecturers REgarded As pRofesSors" By a
univerSitY to a 6th GraDE histoRy teacHer whO mAy aLSO be thE SChOol GyM
teacher fiLLIng In. ThaT's StreTching tHings a bit.

~~~
anamax
> In mOSt ENglish-speakinG coUntrIES iT reFErS To a SeNIor ACAdemic who holds
> a DepartmentAl
 link I listed at FactChec k.org
also  asse rts  is  t rue. 

Ox ford Dictionar y  (Fi rst Definition):

scho lar ( sc h ol·a r ):  a sp ecialis t  i n a p ar ti cul ar br anchofstudy,_especiall y
t he  humanities_ ;a distingu ish ed academic
Fr om the  U C L a w Sch ool  stat ementa t Fact Check.org :"Senio r  Lectur e r sareconsidered to bem em b ers of the Law  Schoo lf ac u l tyand 
are _rega rd ed as profess o rs _ , alt h ough not full -time or te n ure -track .. . L i ke
Oba ma, e ac h  of  the Law Sc hool 's Senior  Lectu r ers hav e  high-d emandcar eer s in po li tic so r p u bl ics erv ice, whi ch  p reven t fu l l - t imetea chin g. Se veral times
d uri ng h i s 1 2 yea rs as  a p ro fesso r in t he La wSchool, Obama w as i nvited to 
jo in  th efacul t y in a  fu ll- time te nure-tr a ckpo s i t io n, but he declined ." ~~ ~
anamax 
>>The cl ai m  was tha thewasa const itut i on al law s cholar ,  n ot  that h ewas apr ofe sso r. Wh i le t here a re overl aps b e tween the twog roups, neithe r  o n e  i s  a
s ubs et of the o ther . 

>Y ou'r e  k idd i ng, r ight? 
N ot at all. I have reas on ably h igh s tandards forscholars.F o r exampl e, e v en though the deg ree i s "Juris D o ctor", I  don' t call l awyers
"D r . ". (Howe ver , I  wi llc a ll  them "Esquir e " .)
Me anwhile , y ou'd ca lla 6 thgra de  historyteachera"s ch ol ar"  if t h ey teach 
s ome  c ons titut i on.... 

~~~ 
jer om ec _No t at al l .I have  r ea sona bly  h igh s tand a rds  for sc holars._
Th i s is  n ot  aboutyou. It's abo ut  the defin it ion  in th e dictiona ry. It has as
a primary entry f orschol ar " a disting uis hed ac ade m ic".
The de finit io n f o r  "pro f e ss or"  f rom Wikipe d i a:
 _Th emean ing ofthe word professor (La tin: professo r,pers o n  w hop ro f ess es tob e  an expert in s ome art or  s c ie nce, teach e r o fhigh ra nk[1])varie s  by
cou ntry. Inmost Engl is h-sp e a kin g countrie s it ref ers to as enior ac ademi c w ho
hol ds  adepar tmenta l  ch air_. .. etc .
I don 't kn ow  how you  equate "Senior Lecture rs reg arded  as  professo rs" bya
univers ityto a 6th g rad e h istor y t e acher  who ma y a l so be  the school gy m 
t eac h e rfilling in. T h at' s str etc h ing th ings  a bit.

~~~
anam a x
> In most En glis h - spe aki n g co un tries it refer s t oa senior a ca demic who h olds
> a  d e partm ental
 link_I listed_at FactCheck.org
also asserts is_true.

Oxford Dictionary_(First_Definition):

scholar (schol·ar):_a_specialist in a_particular branch of_study, _especially
the humanities_ ;_a distinguished academic

From_the_UC Law School statement at FactCheck.org:

"Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the_Law_School faculty_and
are__regarded_as professors_, although not full-time_or tenure-track... Like
Obama, each of_the Law_School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in
politics or_public_service, which prevent_full-time teaching. Several times
during his 12 years as a_professor in the Law School, Obama_was invited to
join_the_faculty_in a full-time tenure-track_position, but he declined."

~~~
anamax
>>The claim was_that he was a constitutional law_scholar, not that he was a
professor. While_there are overlaps between the two_groups, neither one is a
subset_of the_other.

>You're kidding, right?

Not at all._I have reasonably_high standards_for scholars.

For example,_even though the degree is "Juris_Doctor", I don't_call lawyers
"Dr.". (However, I will call_them_"Esquire".)

Meanwhile, you'd call_a_6th_grade history_teacher a "scholar"_if_they teach
some_constitution....

~~~
jeromec
_Not_at all. I have reasonably high_standards_for scholars._

This is not about you. It's_about the definition in_the_dictionary. It has as
a_primary entry for scholar "a_distinguished academic".

The definition for "professor" from_Wikipedia:

 _The_meaning of_the word professor (Latin: professor, person who professes to
be an expert_in some art or science, teacher_of high rank[1]) varies_by
country. In_most_English-speaking countries it_refers_to a_senior academic who
holds a departmental chair_... etc.

I_don't know_how you equate "Senior Lecturers regarded_as professors" by a
university_to_a 6th grade history teacher who_may also be the school gym
teacher_filling in. That's stretching things_a_bit.

~~~
anamax
>_In most English-speaking countries it_refers to a senior academic who_holds
> a departmental