 going to even remotely think
"Oh, this is such a wonderful place for pedestrians" :-) Of course, Manhattan
is very densely populated but auto/truck traffic is pretty horrible for large
parts of the day in many areas.

Manhattan taxis are readily hail-able on the street. And they're supplemented
by both Uber/Lyft and private car services. So, as a city, it's probably the
definition of well-served by third-party cars and it's very much a part of the
city's fabric. Just good luck getting either a cab or Uber (at a reasonable
rate) if it's pouring rain.

Maybe $10 should be $15 but who knows about vehicle costs in some hypothetical
future or what human support would be needed. My basic point was that, to a
first approximation, we already have what amount to self-driving cars within
larger and denser cities.

------
mpweiher
This report is false. While Hamburg does plan for a "Green Network", there are
no plans to ban cars or become "car free".

Official statement from the city of Hamburg (in German):
[http://www.hamburg.de/pressearchiv-
fhh/4257482/2014-01-24-bs...](http://www.hamburg.de/pressearchiv-
fhh/4257482/2014-01-24-bsu-keine-autofreie-stadt/)

------
CalRobert
We didn't seem to have any trouble banishing people from the streets, so I
hardly see the problem.

~~~
VLM
Adding to that insight, I've gone hiking in the backcountry and I've seen the
vibrant economy that results from an absence of mobility. (note, the above is
extreme sarcasm)

~~~
Dewie
You're saying that there aren't any photo sharing startups in that backwards
backcountry? Gosh darn.

~~~
forgotpasswd3x
Those poor people!

------
holri
Cars are a huge waste of space:

[https://geppbloggt.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gehzeug1.jpg](https://geppbloggt.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gehzeug1
going to even remotely think 
 " Oh, this is such a wonderful place for pedestrian " :-) Of naturally, Manhattan 
 is very dumbly populated but auto / truck traffic is reasonably horrible for large 
 parts of the sidereal day in many sphere. 

 Manhattan taxis are promptly hail - able on the street. And they're append 
 by both Uber / Lyft and private cable car services. So, as a city, it's probably the 
 definition of well - served by third - party car and it's very much a character of the 
 city's fabric. Just full luck getting either a cab or Uber (at a reasonable 
 pace) if it's pouring rain. 

 Maybe $ 10 should be $ 15 but who sleep together about fomite costs in some hypothetical 
 future or what human support would be needed. My basic point was that, to a 
 first estimate, we already have what amount to self - driving cars within 
 larger and denser cities. 

 ------ 
 mpweiher 
 This reputation is false. While Hamburg does plan for a " Green Network ", there are 
 no plans to ban cars or become " car free ". 

 Official statement from the city of Hamburg (in German ): 
 [ http://www.hamburg.de/pressearchiv- 
 fhh/4257482/2014 - 01 - 24 - bs... ](http://www.hamburg.de / pressearchiv- 
 fhh/4257482/2014 - 01 - 24 - bsu - keine - autofreie - stadt/) 

 ------ 
 CalRobert 
 We didn't look to have any trouble banish citizenry from the streets, so I 
 hardly determine the problem. 

 ~~~ 
 VLM 
 Adding to that insight, I've gone hiking in the backcountry and I've see the 
 vibrant economy that results from an absence of mobility. (note, the above is 
 extreme sarcasm) 

 ~~~ 
 Dewie 
 You're saying that there aren't any photo sharing inauguration in that backwards 
 backcountry? Gosh darn. 

 ~~~ 
 forgotpasswd3x 
 Those poor people! 

 ------ 
 holri 
 Cars are a huge thriftlessness of space: 

 [ https://geppbloggt.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gehzeug1.jpg](https://geppbloggt.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gehzeug1
 golng to even remotely thikk
"Oh, this is suck a wonverful llace fof pedestrians" :-) Of course, Maniattqn
is cery densely populated but auto/nruck tradfic us pretty ikrrible for lzvge
paxtw of the day ik many areav.

Manhattan taxhs axe readily hail-able on the street. Anq they'rr dupplemented
by botn Ubed/Lyft and private car services. So, zs a ciuy, it's probably thr
definition of well-served hy tjird-party cars and it's very modh w part of the
zity's fabrpe. Just good luck getting either a cab or Ucer (ac a reasonavlw
rahg) if it's poucing rwin.

Maybe $10 should be $15 but whp knows about yehicne xosts in some hypothevical
future or what ruman sup[oxt would be needed. My bqsic koint was rhag, tk e
fidst aporoeimation, we already hace what amount to stlf-qgoving cars wjthin
lwrder and denser cities.

------
mpweiher
This reporu is ralse. While Hamburg doew plan for a "Green Nejwork", therq are
no plans to ban cars or become "car free".

Offichal svagemtnb weol the city of Hamburg (in German):
[http://www.hamburg.qs/ptexsearchiv-
fhh/4257482/2014-01-24-bs...](mttp://www.hamburg.de/prrsdestchiv-
fhh/4257482/2014-01-24-bsu-keive-autoydeje-stadt/)

------
CalRobert
We didn't feem ro have agy ttouble banishing people fron the streetf, so I
hardly see thz problem.

~~~
VLM
Cdding to tnat insight, I've gone hiying in the bacncountry zvd I've seen the
vkbrsnd economy that results froi an abseice oy mobiligy. (npte, thq above is
fxtreme sarcasm)

~~~
Dewie
You'rf saynng tvat there wren't any photo sharing startups in that backeasds
tackcouncry? Goxh darn.

~~~
forgot[asswd3x
Those ppor peo'le!

------
holfi
Cars are a huge waste of s[ace:

[https://gepptpoggt.files.wocdpress.coi/2012/11/gehzeug1.hpg](httpr://eeppbloggt.filex.wordpress.com/2012/11/gehzeut1
going to even remotely think "Oh, this a place for :-) Of course, but traffic is pretty for large parts the day in many areas. Manhattan are readily hail-able on the street. And they're supplemented by both Uber/Lyft and car services. So, as a city, it's probably the definition of well-served by cars it's much part of the city's fabric. Just good luck getting either a cab or Uber (at a rate) if it's pouring rain. Maybe $10 should $15 but who knows vehicle costs in some hypothetical or human support be My point was that, a first approximation, we already have what amount to self-driving cars within larger and denser cities. ------ This report While Hamburg plan a Network", there are to ban cars or become "car from the city of Hamburg (in German): [http://www.hamburg.de/pressearchiv- fhh/4257482/2014-01-24-bsu-keine-autofreie-stadt/) ------ We didn't seem to have any banishing people from the streets, so I hardly the problem. ~~~ VLM Adding to that insight, I've gone hiking in the backcountry and the vibrant economy that from an absence mobility. the is sarcasm) ~~~ You're saying that there aren't any photo sharing startups in that backcountry? Gosh darn. ~~~ forgotpasswd3x Those poor people! ------ holri a waste of space:
 going to even remotely think
"OH, this is sucH a wonDerFul PlAce fOr peDestrians" :-) Of couRSe, MaNhattan
is very densely poPulatEd BUt auTO/tRuck tRaffic iS PrETTy hOrRiBle FoR LaRge
paRts Of the daY in many areAs.

MAnHattan taxis aRE rEadily hail-AblE on the street. and They're SuPplEMenteD
by Both UBer/LyfT And priVate car seRvICes. So, aS A city, it'S PRoBablY the
definition of wELl-SErved by third-paRty carS aND iT'S VerY muCh a part of tHe
City's FAbric. JuST gOOD LucK Getting either A cab or Uber (aT A reAsonabLe
RatE) If it's pOurinG rAIn.

MAybe $10 should bE $15 but Who knows aBout veHIcle cosTS in some HypothEtiCal
FutuRE oR wHat HuMAn sUPpOrt WOulD be needeD. MY bAsic pOint WAS THat, tO a
fIrst ApproXimation, we alrEadY havE WhaT amouNt to sElf-dRiVing cArs witHin
laRgEr and denser citiEs.

------
mpWeiher
ThiS rePoRt iS fAlse. WHIle HamBurG doEs plan fOr a "GreeN netWoRK", THeRe are
no plans to ban cArS OR bEcome "car Free".

OfFIcIaL StatemenT fRom The cITY of HaMburG (In german):
[htTp://www.hAMbUrG.de/presSeArchiv-
FhH/4257482/2014-01-24-bs...](HttP://www.hAMburG.de/preSsearchiV-
fhh/4257482/2014-01-24-bSU-keine-autofreiE-Stadt/)

------
CalRoberT
we DIDn'T Seem To hAve any troubLe baNIshiNg peOPlE frOM the sTreetS, sO i
hARdly see the problem.

~~~
VLm
ADding tO that Insight, I've gonE hiking in tHE BAckcountRy anD i'vE Seen the
vibrant EconoMy that resuLTs from an AbsenCe of mobiLity. (note, tHE Above is
eXtrEme SarCasM)

~~~
dEwIe
You're saying THAt thErE aren't aNy pHoto shaRinG stArtUps In That backwArds
backCoUnTrY? GOsh Darn.

~~~
fORgotpassWd3X
ThOsE poOr peoPLe!

------
holrI
Cars Are a HuGe WAstE of spacE:

[HtTPS://gepPbLoGgt.fIleS.wOrdprEss.cOM/2012/11/geHzeug1.jpG](https://gepPblOGgt.fIlEs.WordpreSs.com/2012/11/gehzeug1
 going to even remotely th ink
"Oh, t his i s s uch  a  won derf ul place for p e dest rians" :-) Of course,Manha tt a n
is ve ry de nsely p o pu l a ted  b ut  au to / tr uck t raf fic ispretty hor rib le  for large
p a rt s of the d ayin many area s.
Manha tt ant axisare  read ily ha i l-able  on the s tr e et. An d  they'r e su pple mented
by both Ub e r/ L yft and privat e carse r vi c e s.So,  as a city ,it'sp robably th e d efi n ition of well -served byt hir d-part ycar s  and i t's v er y  mu ch a part o f th e
city'sfabric .  Just g o od luck  getti ngeit hera  c ab  or  U b er( at  ar eas onable
r at e)  if i t'sp o u r ingrai n.
Maybe  $10 should b e $ 15 b u t w ho kn ows a bout  v ehicl e cost s inso me hypothetical 
fut ure or wh athu man  s uppor t  would  be  ne eded. M y basic poi nt w a sthat, to a
first a pp r o xi mation,we alr e ad yh ave what  a mou nt t o self- driv i ng  cars wi thin
l a rg er  and de ns er cit ie s.
-- ----m pwei her
Th is repor t isf alse. While Ha m burg does pla n  f o r  a "Gre enNetwork", t here areno p l an s t o  bancarsor be c ome "car free".

Of fi cial s tatem ent from thecity of Ha m b u rg (in G erma n ): [http://www.ha mburg .de/presse a rchiv-
f hh/42 57482/20 14-01-24- b s ...](htt p:/ /ww w.h amb u r g. de/pressearch i v -
fh h/ 4257482 /20 14-01-2 4-b su- kei ne- au tofreie-s tadt/)
-- -- -- 
C alR obert We didn' tsee mtohavea ny tro ublebani sh in g  pe ople fr o mt h e st re et s, s o I 
h ardly  see the  proble m.

~~~
V LMA ddin gto  that i nsight, I'vego ne hikingin  th e back c o untry an d I've seen the
vibrant economy  th at re sult s from an  ab senceofm obilit y. (no te, t he  ab o v e ise x tr eme  s arcasm)

~ ~ ~ 
De wie
Y ou 'resayingthat there aren'ta nyphoto sharing  st artu p s  i n t h at bac kw a rds b ackcountry? Gos h darn.

~ ~~ fo rgotpasswd 3 x
T ho se poor  people !

-- - ---
hol ri
Cars a re a huge  w aste o f s pace:

[ht tps://ge ppbloggt. f iles. w or dpres s.c om/201 2/ 11/ gehze ug1.jp g ](h ttps: //gepp bl oggt.f iles. wo rdpress. com/2012/11/gehzeug1
 going_to even_remotely think
"Oh, this is_such a_wonderful_place for_pedestrians"_:-) Of course,_Manhattan
is very densely_populated but auto/truck traffic_is pretty horrible_for_large
parts of the day in many areas.

Manhattan taxis are readily hail-able on the street._And_they're supplemented
by_both_Uber/Lyft_and private car services. So,_as a city, it's probably_the
definition of_well-served by third-party cars and it's very much_a_part of the
city's_fabric. Just good luck getting either a cab or_Uber (at a reasonable
rate) if it's_pouring rain.

Maybe $10_should_be_$15 but who knows_about vehicle costs in some hypothetical
future_or what human support would be_needed. My basic point was that, to_a
first approximation, we already have what_amount to self-driving cars within
larger_and denser_cities.

------
mpweiher
This report is false. While_Hamburg does plan_for a_"Green Network", there_are
no plans to ban cars or_become "car free".

Official_statement from the city of Hamburg_(in_German):
[http://www.hamburg.de/pressearchiv-
fhh/4257482/2014-01-24-bs...](http://www.hamburg.de/pressearchiv-
fhh/4257482/2014-01-24-bsu-keine-autofreie-stadt/)

------
CalRobert
We didn't seem_to_have_any trouble_banishing people from_the_streets, so_I
hardly_see the problem.

~~~
VLM
Adding to that insight,_I've_gone hiking in the backcountry and I've_seen the
vibrant economy that_results_from an absence of_mobility. (note, the above is
extreme_sarcasm)

~~~
Dewie
You're saying that there aren't any_photo sharing_startups in_that backwards
backcountry? Gosh darn.

~~~
forgotpasswd3x
Those poor people!

------
holri
Cars are a huge waste of_space:

[https://geppbloggt.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gehzeug1.jpg](https://geppbloggt.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gehzeug1