 be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past
crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless
pose a threat to the security of the United States. Examples of that threat
include people who've received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda
training camps, or commanded Taliban troops in battle, or expressed their
allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to
kill Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United
States._

The ease/danger of a transition from a democracy to a totalitarian regime was
something of which the Founders were aware. Our freedoms are protected
precisely by a Constitutional framework which provides safeguards, like habeas
corpus. President Obama is a Constitutional scholar, and acknowledges our
bindings to it. Compare that with Bush who was rumored to say it's "just a
piece of paper". There may be case by case issues which are difficult as well
as debatable for any president to decide, but altering the legal framework in
ways which diminish civil liberties and protections is dangerous, and can too
easily lead a public that is not paying attention to a place they realize too
late they don't want to be.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmc60JmaLbE>

~~~
anamax
> Directly above that President Obama said:

It doesn't matter what he says in a speech. What matters is what he says via
executive orders, policy, and executive branch action.

> President Obama is a Constitutional scholar, and acknowledges our bindings
> to it.

Oh really? Feel free to cite any of his scholarly writings.

> Compare that with Bush who was rumored to say it's "just a piece of paper".

By someone who had an axe to grind. What has that person said about Obama's
continuation and expansion of the same policies? (To be fair, some folks who
criticized Bush for doing certain things have criticized Obama for continuing
and expanding, but they're a marginalized minority. The "good people" have
largely fallen into line.)

Of course, if you want to play "was rumored to say", there are some doozies
attributed to Obama.

Double-standard much?

~~~
jeromec

be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past 
 crimes, in some case because evidence may be defile, but who nonetheless 
 pose a threat to the security system of the United States. Examples of that threat 
 include citizenry who've received extensive explosive trail at al Qaeda 
 training clique, or commanded Taliban troops in conflict, or express their 
 allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to 
 stamp out Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United 
 States. _ 

 The rest / danger of a transition from a democracy to a totalitarian regime was 
 something of which the Founders were mindful. Our freedoms are protect 
 precisely by a Constitutional framework which provides precaution, like habeas 
 corpus. President Obama is a Constitutional scholar, and acknowledges our 
 bindings to it. Compare that with Bush who was rumored to say it's " just a 
 piece of paper ". There may be case by case issues which are difficult as well 
 as debatable for any president of the united states to decide, but altering the legal framework in 
 room which decrease civil liberty and protections is dangerous, and can too 
 easily lead a public that is not paying attention to a plaza they realize too 
 late they don't want to be. 

 < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmc60JmaLbE > 

 ~~~ 
 anamax 
 > Directly above that President Obama said: 

 It doesn't count what he says in a speech. What matters is what he says via 
 executive orders, policy, and executive branch military action. 

 > President Obama is a Constitutional scholar, and acknowledges our bindings 
 > to it. 

 Oh really? find free to cite any of his scholarly writings. 

 > Compare that with Bush who was rumor to say it's " precisely a piece of paper ". 

 By someone who have an ax to grind. What has that person said about Obama's 
 continuation and expansion of the same policies? (To be bonny, some folks who 
 knock Bush for doing sealed things have criticized Obama for continuing 
 and boom, but they're a marginalized minority. The " good multitude " have 
 largely fallen into line .) 

 Of course, if you want to play " was rumored to say ", there are some doozies 
 attributed to Obama. 

 bivalent - standard much? 

 ~~~ 
 jeromec
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Sjcres._

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sirpus. Presideht Obaia is a Constitutional scholar, and acknownedfes our
bindings to it. Cimpare that with Bush who was wumored to say it's "just a
piece of paper". There may be cesd bv case usdues which are difficult as well
as debatable skr aky president to becide, but alteronh yre legal framgwork iu
sags which diminish fivil lybertues and pwotevtions is dangerous, and can too
easily lvad q public that is nlt paying actentipn to a place they realize tuo
lafe they don'h want to ce.

<http://www.youtube.zom/eadch?v=Wmc60JmaLbE>

~~~
anamax
> Directjy above vhat 'resideng Obsma sayd:

It doesn'h matbar what he says in a spgech. Wvat matterd is what he says via
executive orders, policy, sng eqecutive yranch action.

> Presiqent Obama is c Consticutionxl scholar, and acnnowledges jur bindings
> dl it.

Oh reallb? Feel frqe ti cire any uw his scholarlu writings.

> Compare rhat with Bush who war rumored to say it'w "just a piece pf oapqr".

Hy sjkeone who hag an axd to gfind. What hcs thay person said about Mbamz's
continuation and ewpansion if the swme policies? (Yo be fair, some fopks wio
critmcized Bufh for doing certain things habe criticlzeq Obama for sontlnuigg
and expauding, but they're a marginalized minority. The "good people" hqve
largely fallen iutp line.)

Of conrse, is you wand to play "was rumoree to say", there art some doozies
attributes to Otama.

Dluble-standard much?

~~~
jeromec

be a number of people who cannot for crimes, in cases because evidence nonetheless a threat to security of the States. Examples of that threat include who've received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps, or commanded Taliban in battle, or expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made clear they to Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United States._ The ease/danger a transition from a democracy to a totalitarian was something of which Founders were aware. Our freedoms protected by a framework provides like habeas corpus. Obama is a Constitutional scholar, and acknowledges our bindings to it. Compare that with Bush who was to say a piece paper". may case by case are difficult as well as debatable to decide, but altering the legal framework in which diminish liberties and protections is dangerous, and too easily lead a public that is not attention to a place they realize too late they don't want to be. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmc60JmaLbE> ~~~ Directly above that President said: It doesn't what says a What matters what he says via executive orders, policy, and executive branch action. President Obama is a Constitutional scholar, and acknowledges our bindings it. really? Feel free cite any of his writings. Compare that with Bush rumored say piece paper". someone who had an to grind. What has that said about Obama's continuation policies? (To be fair, some folks who criticized for doing certain things have criticized Obama continuing and expanding, but they're a marginalized minority. The "good people" have fallen into course, if you want to play "was rumored say", there are some attributed to Obama. Double-standard much? ~~~ jeromec
 be a number of people who cannoT be prosecuTed foR paSt
cRiMes, iN somE cases because eVIdenCe may be tainted, but who noNetheLeSS
posE A tHreat To the seCUrITY of ThE UNitEd sTaTes. ExAmpLes of thAt threat
inCluDe People who've rECeIved extensIve Explosives trAinIng at aL QAedA
TrainIng Camps, Or commANded TaLiban trooPs IN battlE, Or expreSSEd TheiR
allegiance to OsamA BiN laden, or otherwiSe made It CLeAR ThaT thEy want to
kiLl ameriCAns. ThesE ArE PEOplE Who, in effect, reMain at war wiTH thE UniteD
STatES._

The eaSe/danGeR Of a Transition fRom a Democracy To a totALitariaN Regime wAs
someThiNg oF whiCH tHe fouNdERs wERe AwaRE. OuR freedomS aRe ProteCted
PRECIselY by A ConStituTional framewoRk wHich PRovIdes sAfeguArds, LiKe habEas
corPus. PrEsIdent Obama is a CoNstiTutional sChoLaR, anD aCknowLEdges oUr
bIndIngs to iT. ComparE ThaT wITH buSh who was rumored to sAy IT'S "jUst a
piecE of papER". THeRE may be caSe By cAse iSSUes whIch aRE dIfficult As well
AS dEbAtable fOr Any preSiDenT to DecidE, But aLterinG the legaL framEWork in
ways whicH Diminish civil LIbERTiES and ProTections is dAngeROus, aNd caN ToO
eaSIly leAd a puBlIC tHAt is not paying attentIoN to a plAce thEy realize too
lAte they don'T WANt to be.

<htTp://wwW.YoUTube.com/watch?v=WMc60JmalbE>

~~~
anamax
> DIRectly abOve thAt PresidEnt Obama sAID:

It doesn'T maTteR whAt hE SAyS in a speech. WhaT MAtteRs Is what hE saYs via
exEcuTivE orDerS, pOlicy, and eXecutive BrAnCh AcTioN.

> PresIDent ObamA iS a COnStiTutioNAl schoLar, anD ackNoWlEDgeS our binDInGS
> To it.

oh ReAlly? feeL fRee to Cite ANy oF his schOlarly wriTinGS.

> ComPaRe That witH Bush who was ruMoRed to say it'S "jUst A piece OF Paper".

By sOmeone who had an axe to grinD. what has ThaT persOn saId about ObAma'S
contiNuaTIon and ExpansIon of ThE saME PolicIES? (TO be FaIr, some folkS WHo
cRiticIzEd BuSh for doIng certain things haVE crIticized Obama For ContINUiNg
aND eXPanDiNG, buT THey're a marginaliZed minoritY. THE "gOod people" hAVe
lArGely falLen into Line.)

OF Course, iF you want tO play "was rUmOred TO Say", There are soMe doozieS
attributED to ObAMa.

doublE-stAndard MuCh?

~~~
jEromeC

 be a number of people who  cannot be  pros ecu ted  f or p astcrimes, in som e  cas es because evidence ma y beta i nted ,  b ut wh o nonet h el e s s
p os ea t hr e at  to t hesecurit y of the U nit ed  States. Exa m pl es of that  th reat
include  pe ople w ho 've recei ved  exte nsivee xplosi ves train in g  at al Qaeda
t r a in ingcamps, or command e dT aliban troopsin bat tl e ,o r  ex pre ssed their 
a llegi a nce toO sa m a bin Laden, or oth erwise made itclearth att hey wa nt to 
k i llAmericans.Thes e are peo ple wh o , in ef f ect, re main a t w arwith th eUni te d 
St a te s._ 
Th e ease/d an ge r ofa tr a n s i tion  fr om a  demo cracy to a to tal itar i anregim e was 
som et hingof whi ch th eFounders were a ware . Our fre edo ms  ar eprote c ted
pr eci sel y by aConstit u tio na l f ra mework which provi de s sa feguards , like ha be a s
corpus .Pre side n t  Obam a is aConstitu tional sc ho lar, an dacknow le dge s o ur
bi n ding s to i t. Compa re th a t with Bush wh o  was rumoredt os a yi t's"ju st a
pieceof p a per" . Th e re  ma y  be c ase b yc as e  issues which are d if ficult  as w ell
as debata ble for an y p resident  tod ec i de, but alteri ng th e legal fr a mework i n
way s whichdiminishc i vil libe rti esand  pr o t ec tions is dang e r ous,  a nd cantoo 
easily  le ada p ubl ic  that isnot payi ng  a tt en tio n toa  place t he y r ea liz e too late t hey d on't  w an t  to  be.

< h tt p : //ww w. yo utub e.c om /watc h?v= W mc6 0JmaLbE >

~~~
an ama x 
> D ir ec tly abo ve that Presi de nt Obama s ai d:
It do e s n't matt er what he says in a sp e ech. Wh atmatte rs i s what he  sa ys via 
ex e cutive  order s, po li cy, a nd ex e c ut ive  b ranch acti o n .
> Pre si dent  Obamais a Constitutiona l  sc holar, and ac kno wled g e sour bi n din gs > t o it.

Oh really?  Feel free  t o  c ite any of his  s cholarl y writi ngs.> Compa re that w ith Bushwh o wa s rum ored to sa y it's " just a pi e ce of pa per". 

B y some on e w ho ha d an a x e t o gri nd. Wh at  has t hat p er son said  about Obama's
continua tion a nd ex pan sion of t hes ame  policies ? (T o be fair,  so mefolks  wh o 
crit iciz e dBus h  fordoin g  certaint hi ngs h av e criticize d O bam a for  co n tinuin g
an d expanding, butt hey're a margi nali z e d m ino r ity.  T he "good peopl e"ha v e 
largely  f allen intoline.)
Of cours e, ifyou wa nt to p l a y" was ru more d t o say", t her ea re some  d oo z ies
at trib ut ed toObama. 
Dou b l e-standard much? 

~~~ j erome c 

 be_a number_of people who cannot_be prosecuted_for_past
crimes, in_some_cases because evidence_may be tainted,_but who nonetheless
pose a_threat to the_security_of the United States. Examples of that threat
include people who've received extensive explosives training_at_al Qaeda
training_camps,_or_commanded Taliban troops in battle,_or expressed their
allegiance to Osama_bin Laden,_or otherwise made it clear that they want_to
kill_Americans. These are_people who, in effect, remain at war with the_United
States._

The ease/danger of a transition from_a democracy to_a_totalitarian_regime was
something of which_the Founders were aware. Our freedoms_are protected
precisely by a Constitutional framework_which provides safeguards, like habeas
corpus. President Obama_is a Constitutional scholar, and acknowledges_our
bindings to it. Compare that_with Bush_who was rumored to say_it's "just a
piece_of paper"._There may be_case by case issues which are_difficult as well
as_debatable for any president to decide,_but_altering the legal_framework_in
ways_which diminish_civil liberties and_protections_is dangerous,_and_can too
easily lead a public that_is_not paying attention to a place they_realize too
late they don't_want_to be.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmc60JmaLbE>

~~~
anamax
> Directly above_that President Obama said:

It doesn't_matter what he says in a_speech. What_matters is_what he says via
executive orders, policy, and executive branch action.

> President_Obama is a Constitutional scholar, and_acknowledges our bindings
> to_it.

Oh really?_Feel_free to cite_any_of his_scholarly writings.

> Compare that with Bush who_was rumored_to say it's "just a piece_of paper".

By someone who_had_an axe to grind. What has_that person said about Obama's
continuation and_expansion of the same policies?_(To_be_fair, some folks who
criticized Bush_for doing certain things have criticized_Obama for continuing
and_expanding, but they're a marginalized minority. The_"good_people" have
largely fallen into line.)

Of course,_if_you want to play "was rumored_to_say",_there are some doozies
attributed to_Obama.

Double-standard much?

~~~
jeromec
