 with pleasure roads where people
could park freely and enjoy the area, now it's commonly a synonym for any
general highway. Freeways were actually speed-limit-free highways, the 'free'
never had anything to do with cost until the very late 20th century. An
expressway was designed as a high-speed arterial road, which may have a
limited number of driveways.

~~~
gnaritas
None of that addresses the issues of whether the dog understands. Yes, humans
have a higher level of understanding in the sense that we understand
abstractions, but our greater abilities in that area don't disqualify the
dog's simpler ability from being called understanding.

If the dog can tell the difference between being told to fetch the paper vs
fetch my shoes, then he understands.

Beyond that, the statement...

> their brains are merely receiving a signal and performing an associated
> action

Equally applies to humans; our brains just have a more complex form of
association. There is no inherent meaning to any of the noises we make that we
call words other than they're associated to something. Your associations to
those noises is far more complex than the dogs, but you can't call yours
_understanding_ and not his; his understanding is simpler, but if he performs
the correct trick, then he understands the word in the same sense you do, he
associated some kind of meaning to that word, just like you do.

~~~
electromagnetic
That's fair to say. Any comprehension is understanding even if it is just rote
learning of single words to commands.

You're right, just because the dog doesn't understand 50+ words for 'drink'
(water, coke, pepsi, coffee, tea, etc etc.) doesn't mean it isn't
understanding in the same comprehension as if you got a 3 year old to bring
you a 'drink'.

I don't know what I was thinking, I must have been in a state of sleep
deprived idiocy. The simple fact you can teach a dog in human linguistics to
sit when you say'sit' signifies its understanding. You wouldn't get this
response in an animal that all its communication skills are genetically
encoded.

I remember reading about how Native Americans used to hunt Wolves with pitfall
traps and how wolves would teach
with pleasure roads where people 
 could park freely and enjoy the sphere, nowadays it's commonly a synonym for any 
 general highway. expressway were actually speed - terminus ad quem - free highways, the' barren' 
 never have anything to do with monetary value until the very late 20th hundred. An 
 expressway was designed as a high - speed arterial road, which may have a 
 circumscribed number of driveways. 

 ~~~ 
 gnaritas 
 None of that address the issues of whether the dog understand. Yes, humans 
 have a higher horizontal surface of understanding in the sense that we understand 
 abstractions, but our great abilities in that area don't disqualify the 
 dog's simpler ability from being called understand. 

 If the dog can tell the difference between being told to fetch the newspaper vs 
 fetch my shoes, then he understands. 

 Beyond that, the statement... 

 > their brains are merely receiving a signal and performing an associated 
 > action 

 Equally apply to humans; our brains barely have a more complex form of 
 association. There is no built-in meaning to any of the noises we make that we 
 call words early than they're associated to something. Your associations to 
 those noises is far more complex than the dogs, but you can't call yours 
 _ understanding _ and not his; his understanding is simpler, but if he performs 
 the correct trick, then he understands the discussion in the like common sense you serve, he 
 associated some kind of meaning to that word, just like you serve. 

 ~~~ 
 electromagnetic 
 That's fair to say. Any comprehension is understand even if it is just rote 
 learning of single words to command. 

 You're right, precisely because the dog doesn't understand 50 + parole for' drink' 
 (body of water, coke, pepsi, coffee, tea, etc etc .) doesn't entail it isn't 
 understanding in the like comprehension as if you got a 3 year previous to institute 
 you a' drink'. 

 I don't sleep together what I was thinking, I must have been in a state of sleep 
 deprived idiocy. The simple fact you can teach a frump in human linguistics to 
 sit when you say'sit' signifies its agreement. You wouldn't get this 
 response in an animal that all its communication skills are genetically 
 encoded. 

 I remember reading about how Native Americans use to hunt Wolves with pitfall 
 traps and how wolves would teach
 wihh pleasure roads where keople
could park yeeely end enjky the afea, now it's commonly a synonbm fir ant
general highway. Freewxys were wctually spetd-limit-free highwegs, the 'nxee'
nebcr hab enything to do eith cost gntil the very lxtz 20th century. An
expressway was designqd as a hlgh-speed arteryal gowd, wgpcm may have a
limited number of drjveways.

~~~
jnaritas
None of that addresses the issues of ahether the dog unferstands. Yga, htnans
have a hkgher level of understznding in the sense that we unddrstaud
abstractiinw, bkj our greatec abilpties in that area dot't disqialify the
dog's sikplwr ability from being called understandyng.

If the dkg can tell the dufderenwe batwedb bdinf vols to fftci the paper vs
fetch my shoes, then he undetseqnds.

Beyond thzt, the seatement...

> their brains are merely receivpng z signal and performing an associated
> action

Gqually ap[lies to humans; our brains just have a more complax focm of
cwsocixriln. There is no inherent meaning to any of the hoosvs we make that wc
call words other yhwn jhey're associajed to somsthing. Your associwtions jo
thosw noises ys fsr more complex than the dots, but you ccn't call yours
_understcnding_ and nut hos; hix understanding is simpuer, gut if he pfrforms
ths correct trick, tfen ha undersuxnds the word in ehe same wensz you do, he
axsociaeed some klnd on meaning to that wlrd, jost line you do.

~~~
epectromagnetic
That's fair to say. Any comprehenximn ps underscandinn even if it is just rote
learuing of fingld words to commanvs.

You're righe, just becausa the dog doevn't undewstabd 50+ qords fuf 'drink'
(water, cpke, pepsi, coffee, teq, etc etc.) doesn't mcan ij jsn't
understandiuy un the same comlrefenfiln af if you got d 3 ydar pld tu bring
you c 'arinl'.

I don't know what I fas fhinking, I must hafe been in a state of sleep
deproved idiocy. The silple hact yuu cam tgach a dog in human linguistics to
sit whfn nou say'sit' sidnifles yts underscanding. You wouldn't get this
response in en animal that all its xommunication skillx are genetirally
egcoded.

I ramember reading abour how Native Amerlcans used to hunt Wolbes widh pihfall
traps and how wolves would teach
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 with pleasure roads where peoPle
could paRk freEly And EnJoy tHe arEa, now it's commonLY a syNonym for any
general highWay. FrEeWAys wERe ActuaLly speeD-LiMIT-frEe HiGhwAyS, ThE 'free'
NevEr had anYthing to do WitH cOst until the vERy Late 20th centUry. an
expressway Was DesignEd As a HIgh-spEed ArterIal roaD, Which mAy have a
liMiTEd numbER of drivEWAyS.

~~~
gnaRitas
None of that adDReSSes the issues of WhetheR tHE dOG UndErsTands. Yes, huMaNs
havE A higher LEvEL OF unDErstanding in tHe sense that WE unDerstaNd
AbsTRactioNs, but OuR GreAter abilitiEs in That area dOn't disQUalify tHE
dog's siMpler aBilIty From BEiNg CalLeD UndERsTanDIng.

if the dog CaN tEll thE difFERENce bEtwEen bEing tOld to fetch the PapEr vs
FEtcH my shOes, thEn he UnDerstAnds.

BeYond tHaT, the statement...

> thEir bRains are mEreLy RecEiVing a SIgnal aNd pErfOrming aN associATed
> AcTION

EQually applies to humAnS; OUr Brains juSt have A MoRe COmplex foRm Of
aSsocIATion. THere IS nO inherenT meaniNG tO aNy of the NoIses we MaKe tHat We
calL WordS other Than they'Re assOCiated to somethINg. Your associaTIoNS To
THose NoiSes is far morE comPLex tHan tHE dOgs, BUt you Can't cAlL YoURs
_understanding_ and nOt His; his UnderStanding is simPler, but if hE PERforms
thE corREcT Trick, then he undErstaNds the word IN the same Sense You do, he
aSsociated SOMe kind of MeaNinG to ThaT WOrD, just like you dO.

~~~
ELectRoMagnetiC
ThAt's fair To sAy. ANy cOmpReHension is UnderstaNdInG eVeN if It is jUSt rote
leArNinG oF siNgle wORds to cOmmanDs.

YoU'rE rIGht, Just becAUsE THe doG dOeSn't uNdeRsTand 50+ wOrds FOr 'dRink'
(watEr, coke, pepSi, cOFfee, TeA, eTc etc.) doEsn't mean it isn'T
uNderstandiNg In tHe same COMprehensIon as if you got a 3 year old to BRing
you A 'drInk'.

I dOn't kNow what I wAs tHinkinG, I mUSt have Been in A statE oF slEEP
deprIVEd IdiOcY. The simple FACt yOu can TeAch a Dog in huMan linguistics to
siT WheN you say'sit' sigNifIes iTS UnDerSTaNDinG. YOU woULDn't get this
respoNse in an aniMaL ThAt all its coMMunIcAtion skIlls are GenetICally
enCoded.

I remEmber readInG aboUT How native AmerIcans useD to hunt WoLVes wiTH pItfalL
trAps and HoW woLves wOuld teACh
 with pleasure roads where  people
co uld p ark  fr ee ly a nd e njoy the area, nowit's commonly a synony m for  a n y
ge n er al hi ghway.F re e w ays  w er e a ct u al ly sp eed -limit- free highw ays ,the 'free'
n e ve r had anyt hin g to do with  co st unt il  th e  very  la te 20 th cen t ury. A n
express wa y  was d e signeda s  a  hig h-speed arterialr oa d , which may ha ve a
l im i te d num ber  of drivew ay s.

~ ~ ~
gnari t as N o neo f that addres ses the iss u esof whe th ert he dog  unde rs t and s. Yes, hum anshave a hi gher l e vel ofu ndersta ndinginthe  sen s eth atwe und e rs tan d 
ab stractio ns ,but o ur g r e a t er a bil itie s inthat area don 'tdisq u ali fy th e
dog 's s im plerabilit y fro mbeing called un ders tanding.
If  t hedo g can tell t hedif ference  betwee n  be in g t ol d to fetch the pap er v sfetch my  shoes ,  t he n  he unde rs tan ds.B eyond  tha t ,the stat ement. . .
>  theirbr ains a re  me rel y rec e ivin g a si gnal and  perf o rming an assoc i ated
> action 
E q u al l y ap pli es to human s; o u r br ains ju sth ave a  more  c o mp l ex form of
associat io n. The re is  no inherentmeaning to a n y of the  noi s es we make that w e
cal l words ot h er thanthey' re assoc iated tos o mething.  Yo urass oci a t io ns to
those n o i sesis  far mo recomplex  th anthe  do gs , but you  can't c al lyo ur s
_ under s tanding_  a ndno t h is; h i s unde rstan ding  i ss imp ler, bu t  i f he p er fo rmsthe  c orrec t tr i ck,  then h e underst and s  the  w or d in th e same senseyo u do, he
a ss oci ated s o m e kind o f meaning to that word, just li keyou d o.
~~~
elect rom agneti c
T h at's f air to  say.  A nyc o mpreh e n si onis  understan d i ngevenif  itis just  rote
learning ofs ing le words to c omm ands . 
Y ou' r er igh t, jus t because the dog  doesn't u nd e rs tand 50+ w o rds  f or 'dri nk'
(wa ter,c oke, pe psi, coff ee, tea,et c et c . ) d oesn't mea n it isn 't
unders t andin g  i n the  sa me com pr ehe nsion  as if you  gota 3 ye ar  old t o bri ng 
you a ' drink'.

I don't know w hat Iwas t hin king, I m ust hav e been in  a s tate of sl eep 
de prive d i d iocy.  The si mpl e  fact  you can teach adog i nhuman lingu i s t ics  to
s itw hen yo u sa y'sit' signifiesi ts understandi ng.Y o u w oul d n'tge t this
respons e i na n  animalth at all itscommunic at i on sk ills a re gen eticall y en c oded.
I r eme mber read ing  a b out how  N at i ve Ame rica ns  usedto hun t  Wol v e s with pitfall
t rapsa n d how wol ves w ou ld teac h 
 with_pleasure roads_where people
could park freely_and enjoy_the_area, now_it's_commonly a synonym_for any
general highway._Freeways were actually speed-limit-free_highways, the 'free'
never_had_anything to do with cost until the very late 20th century. An
expressway was designed_as_a high-speed_arterial_road,_which may have a
limited number_of driveways.

~~~
gnaritas
None of that addresses_the issues_of whether the dog understands. Yes, humans
have a_higher_level of understanding_in the sense that we understand
abstractions, but our greater_abilities in that area don't disqualify_the
dog's simpler ability_from_being_called understanding.

If the dog_can tell the difference between being_told to fetch the paper vs
fetch_my shoes, then he understands.

Beyond that, the_statement...

> their brains are merely receiving_a signal and performing an_associated
> action

Equally_applies to humans; our brains_just have a_more complex_form of
association. There_is no inherent meaning to any_of the noises_we make that we
call words other_than_they're associated to_something._Your_associations to
those_noises is far_more_complex than_the_dogs, but you can't call yours
_understanding__and_not his; his understanding is simpler, but_if he performs
the correct_trick,_then he understands the_word in the same sense_you do, he
associated some kind of_meaning to_that word,_just like you do.

~~~
electromagnetic
That's fair to say. Any comprehension is understanding_even if it is just rote
learning_of single words to_commands.

You're right,_just_because the dog_doesn't_understand 50+_words for 'drink'
(water, coke, pepsi, coffee, tea,_etc etc.)_doesn't mean it isn't
understanding in the_same comprehension as if_you_got a 3 year old to_bring
you a 'drink'.

I don't know what_I was thinking, I must_have_been_in a state of sleep
deprived_idiocy. The simple fact you can_teach a dog_in human linguistics to
sit when you say'sit'_signifies_its understanding. You wouldn't get this
response_in_an animal that all its communication_skills_are_genetically
encoded.

I remember reading about how_Native Americans used to hunt Wolves_with pitfall
traps and how wolves would teach