 think as long as you are being
paid by an non US business immigration don't mind.

Perhaps instead of a trip to Mexico or Canada a night on the boat would
suffice?

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rmc
_The sea platform was its own country called Sealand, with its own passports,
currency, etc_

That's a bit of a stretch. Sealand never really was any sort of
internationally recognised country that seriously printed its own money or
anything that serious.

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kokey
As a foreigner outside of the US, I like this idea. There are many of us who
are already strong earners but don't have anywhere near the million dollars
required for an entrepreneur visa. In other words we probably can afford to
sustain a nice ship. Getting a visa to visit the US is pretty easy, and
staying on the US mainland and attending meetings, conferences, etc. are
practical. We're just not allowed to work there.

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pellias
Will this work? As mentioned, its in international waters outside the
jurisdiction of the United States. Any gangster or real pirates can just board
their ship and wreak havoc?

They'll need security staff to protect the ship then?

~~~
knowtheory
I would have a more pressing concern. If this ship is outside US waters and
jurisdiction, under whose law and authority would they operate?

What's stopping them from just stealing all your startup secrets? Forming rape
squads? Ransoming you for your all of your family's worth?

How are disputes settled? Do they just throw people overboard?

Sure there are workable systems which would lead to some predictability in a
culture/situation like this, but that doesn't and probably can't guarantee
equitability and/or fairness. Sure the US government doesn't provide either
equitability or fairness, but they do try their hardest to provide stability.
You can count on the stupid shit that is going to go wrong to go wrong, and
there is often recourse when someone does you wrong.

I don't see how you could guarantee things won't go tits up in these bizarre
libertarian "paradises" a la bioshock (well, okay, minus the splicers).

~~~
wisty
tldr: They
think as long as you are being 
 paid by an non US business immigration don't beware. 

 possibly instead of a trip to Mexico or Canada a nox on the boat would 
 suffice? 

 ------ 
 rmc 
 _ The ocean platform was its own country call Sealand, with its own passport, 
 currency, etc _ 

 That's a bit of a stretch. Sealand never really was any kind of 
 internationally recognised country that seriously printed its own money or 
 anything that unplayful. 

 ------ 
 kokey 
 As a foreigner outside of the US, I like this idea. There are many of us who 
 are already strong earners but don't suffer anywhere near the million dollars 
 required for an entrepreneur visa. In other word we probably can afford to 
 sustain a nice ship. catch a visa to visit the US is pretty easy, and 
 staying on the US mainland and attending meeting, conferences, etc. are 
 practical. We're just not allowed to work there. 

 ------ 
 pellias 
 Will this workplace? As mentioned, its in international waters outside the 
 jurisdiction of the United States. Any gangster or real pirates can just board 
 their ship and wreak havoc? 

 They'll need security staff to protect the ship then? 

 ~~~ 
 knowtheory 
 I would suffer a more pressing concern. If this ship is outside US waters and 
 legal power, under whose jurisprudence and agency would they operate? 

 What's stopping them from barely stealing all your startup secrets? Forming rape 
 police squad? Ransoming you for your all of your family's worth? 

 How are disputes settled? Do they just throw multitude overboard? 

 Sure there are workable systems which would lead to some predictability in a 
 acculturation / situation like this, but that doesn't and credibly can't undertake 
 equitability and/or paleness. Sure the US government doesn't provide either 
 equitability or fairness, but they do try on their hardest to provide stability. 
 You can count on the stupid shit that is going to go incorrectly to go wrong, and 
 there is often recourse when someone does you incorrect. 

 I don't see how you could undertake things won't go tits up in these bizarre 
 libertarian " paradises " a la bioshock (well, okay, minus the splicer). 

 ~~~ 
 wisty 
 tldr: They
 thlnk as long as you are bting
paid by an nou US buviness immigragion don't mind.

Perhaps insteav of a trup to Mexico or Canada a night ln the biat xould
suffice?

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rmc
_Tis sea platforj was mts own country called Sedland, with its odn passports,
currency, etc_

That's a bit os a strrtfh. Sealand nevgr resjly sas any sort of
internationally reckgnised country that seriously printed its own monfy or
anything that serious.

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kokgg
As q foreigner uutside of the US, I liie this idea. There are many of js whp
are alreaey stgmng earners but qon't have annehere tear thr million dollsrs
cequured for an entreprenxur visa. In other wotds we protayly can afford to
sustqib a nhce vhip. Tetginf e vjsa to viait the US is pretty wasy, and
staying on uhe LX mainland ahd attqnqing meetings, conferences, etc. are
practibal. Se're just not allowed ti work there.

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pellias
Wipl this wjrk? As mentioned, its in international waters outshde tie
gurnwdictkin of the United States. Any gangster or real piwztts ban just board
thelr ship and wreak nagov?

Jhey'll need sezurity stzff to protect the ship tren?

~~~
kniwtheory
I woukd have a more pressing conxern. If this whip is outside US waters and
lurisdoctiom, under whose law and abthorify would thfy operats?

Dhat's stopping tfem fsom just stealing all your startup wecrzts? Formkng tape
squwds? Ransomlng you for your all of jour yamilf's worth?

Hoa are disputes settled? Do they onst throw peokle ovvrboard?

Suxe theve are workable systems which would jead go some prvdictabilmty in a
culttre/situation nlke this, but that doqsn't and probabuh can't guarantre
equitabplnty and/or fairness. Sure the US fovernment doesu'u ptivide either
eqiitxbijiny pr xairness, but theh du try gheir hardewg to provide stability.
Yog cah count on the stuliq shit tyat is gjing to go wrpng to go wrong, anf
therx is ohten rrcoorse when someone does you wronf.

I don't sfe mow you could guavantge things wpn't go tits up in these bizarre
libertarman "paradises" a la biosyock (well, okay, minux the splicecs).

~~~
wistr
tldr: Thef
think as long as you are being an US business don't mind. Perhaps Mexico Canada a night the boat would ------ rmc _The sea platform was own country called Sealand, with its own passports, currency, etc_ That's a bit a stretch. Sealand never really was any sort of internationally recognised country that printed own or that serious. ------ kokey As a foreigner outside of the US, I like this idea. There many of us who are already strong earners don't have anywhere near million dollars required for an visa. other words probably afford sustain a nice Getting a visa to visit the US is pretty easy, and staying on the US mainland and meetings, conferences, practical. We're not to there. ------ pellias work? As mentioned, its in international jurisdiction of the United States. Any gangster or pirates can board their ship and wreak havoc? need security staff to protect the ship then? knowtheory I would have a more pressing concern. If this ship is outside US waters under whose law and would they operate? stopping from stealing your startup Forming rape squads? Ransoming you for your all of your family's How are disputes settled? Do they just throw people overboard? are systems which would to some predictability in culture/situation this, but that doesn't can't equitability the government provide either equitability or but they do try their to provide stability. You shit that is going to go wrong to wrong, and there is often recourse when does you wrong. I don't see how you could guarantee things won't tits up bizarre libertarian "paradises" a la bioshock (well, okay, the splicers). ~~~ wisty They
 think as long as you are being
pAid by an non uS busIneSs iMmIgraTion Don't mind.

PerhapS InstEad of a trip to Mexico or CaNada a NiGHt on THe Boat wOuld
sufFIcE?

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RMc
_THe SeA plAtFOrM was iTs oWn countRy called SeAlaNd, With its own paSSpOrts,
currenCy, eTc_

That's a bit oF a sTretch. seAlaND neveR reAlly wAs any sORt of
inTernationAlLY recogNIsed couNTRy That Seriously printed iTS oWN money or
anythiNg that SeRIoUS.

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KokEy
AS a foreigneR oUtsidE Of the US, i LiKE THis IDea. There are maNy of us who
arE AlrEady stRoNg eARners bUt don'T hAVe aNywhere near The mIllion dolLars
reQUired foR An entrePreneuR viSa. IN othER wOrDs wE pRObaBLy Can AFfoRd to
sustAiN a Nice sHip. GETTINg a vIsa To viSit thE US is pretty eaSy, aNd
stAYinG on thE US maInlaNd And atTendinG meetInGs, conferences, etC. are
Practical. we'rE jUst NoT alloWEd to woRk tHerE.

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pelliaS
Will thIS woRk? aS MEnTioned, its in internaTiONAl Waters ouTside tHE
jUrISdiction Of The unitED stateS. Any GAnGster or rEal pirATeS cAn just bOaRd
theiR sHip And Wreak HAvoc?

they'll Need secuRity sTAff to protect thE Ship then?

~~~
knowtHEoRY
i wOUld hAve A more pressiNg coNCern. if thIS sHip IS outsIde US WaTErS And
jurisdiction, undeR wHose laW and aUthority would They operatE?

wHAt's stoppIng tHEm FRom just stealinG all yOur startup SEcrets? FoRming Rape
squaDs? RansomiNG You for yoUr aLl oF yoUr fAMIlY's worth?

How are DISputEs Settled? do tHey just ThrOw pEopLe oVeRboard?

SurE there arE wOrKaBlE syStems WHich woulD lEad To SomE predICtabilIty in A
culTuRe/SItuAtion liKE tHIS, but ThAt DoesN't aNd ProbaBly cAN't gUaranteE
equitabiLitY And/oR fAiRness. SuRe the US governMeNt doesn't prOvIde Either
EQUitabiliTy or fairness, but they do trY Their haRdeSt to pRoviDe stabiliTy.
YOu can cOunT On the sTupid sHit thAt Is gOINg to gO WRoNg tO gO wrong, and
tHERe iS ofteN rEcouRse when Someone does you wronG.

i doN't see how you coUld GuarANTeE thINgS Won'T gO TitS UP in these bizarre
LibertariaN "pARaDises" a la biOShoCk (Well, okaY, minus tHe splICers).

~~~
wisTy
tldr: TheY
 think as long as you arebeing
paid  by a n n onUS  bus ines s immigrationd on't  mind.

Perhaps instea d ofat ript oMexic o or Ca n ad a a n ig ht  on  t h eboatwou ld
suff ice?

---- --rm c
_The sea p l at form was i tsown countrycal led Se al and ,  with  it s own  passp o rts,
c urrency,et c _

Tha t 's a bi t of  a s tretch. Sealand n e ve r  really was an y sort  o f 
i n t ern ati onally rec og nised country th a t ser i ously printed  its own mo n eyor
any th ing that s eriou s. 
-- ----
kokeyAs a  foreigne r outs i de of t h e US, I  likethi s i dea. Th er e a re man y  o f u s  wh o
are al re ad y str onge a r n ersbut  don 't ha ve anywhere n ear  the mil liondolla rs
r eq uired  for a n ent re preneur visa. I n ot her words  we  p rob ab ly ca n  affor d t o
s ustaina nices hip .G e t ti ng a visa to visit  t h e  U S is pre tty ea s y,  a n d
stayin gontheU S  main land an d attend ing me e ti ng s, conf er ences,  e tc.  ar e
pra c tica l. We' re justnot a l lowed to workt here.

------ pe l l ia s 
Wil l t his work? A s me n tion ed,i ts  in inter natio na l  w a ters outside the
ju ri sdicti on of  the United S tates. Any g a ngster o r re a lp irates can jus t boa rd
their s h ip and w reakhavoc?
They'll n e e d securi tysta fftop r ot ect the shipt h en?
~ ~~
know the ory
I w oul d h ave  amo re pressi ng conce rn .If  t his  ship is outsi de  US  w ate rs an d 
juris dicti on,un de r  wh ose law an d auth or it y wo uld  t hey o pera t e?
What's  stopping  th e m fr om  j ust ste aling all you rstartup se cr ets ? Form i n g rape
s quads? Ransoming you fo r  your a llof yo ur f amily's w ort h?

Ho w a r e disp utes s ettle d?  Do t hey j u s tthr ow  people ov e r boa rd?
Su re t here ar e workable systems whi ch would lead  to  som e pr edi c ta b ili ty ina culture/situati on like th is ,  b ut that do e sn' tand pro bably c an'tg uarante e
equitab ility and /o r fa i r nes s. Sure th e US gov ernment d o esn't pr ovide  ei ther
e qu ita bilit y or f a irn ess,but th ey  do tr y the ir  hardest  to provide stability.You ca n cou nton the st upi d  sh it that i s go ing to gowro ngto go  wr o ng, a nd
t h er e i s  ofte n re c ourse whe n  s ome o n edoes you wr o n g .
I don 'ts ee how  you  could guaranteet hings won't go  tit s upint hese  b izarre
liberta ria n" p aradises "a la biosho ck (well ,o kay,minusthe sp licers) . 
~ ~ ~
wist y
tl dr:  They
 think_as long_as you are being
paid_by an_non_US business_immigration_don't mind.

Perhaps instead_of a trip_to Mexico or Canada_a night on_the_boat would
suffice?

------
rmc
_The sea platform was its own country called Sealand, with its own passports,
currency,_etc_

That's_a bit_of_a_stretch. Sealand never really was_any sort of
internationally recognised country_that seriously_printed its own money or
anything that serious.

------
kokey
As a_foreigner_outside of the_US, I like this idea. There are many of_us who
are already strong earners but_don't have anywhere_near_the_million dollars
required for an_entrepreneur visa. In other words we_probably can afford to
sustain a nice_ship. Getting a visa to visit the_US is pretty easy, and
staying on_the US mainland and attending_meetings, conferences,_etc. are
practical. We're just not_allowed to work_there.

------
pellias
Will this_work? As mentioned,_its in international waters outside the
jurisdiction_of the United_States. Any gangster or real pirates_can_just board
their ship_and_wreak_havoc?

They'll need_security staff to_protect_the ship_then?

~~~
knowtheory
I_would have a more pressing concern._If_this ship is outside US waters and
jurisdiction,_under whose law and_authority_would they operate?

What's stopping_them from just stealing all_your startup secrets? Forming rape
squads? Ransoming_you for_your all_of your family's worth?

How are disputes settled? Do they just throw_people overboard?

Sure there are workable systems_which would lead to_some predictability_in_a
culture/situation like this,_but_that doesn't_and probably can't guarantee
equitability and/or fairness. Sure_the US_government doesn't provide either
equitability or fairness,_but they do try_their_hardest to provide stability.
You can count_on the stupid shit that is_going to go wrong to_go_wrong,_and
there is often recourse when_someone does you wrong.

I don't see_how you could_guarantee things won't go tits up in_these_bizarre
libertarian "paradises" a la bioshock (well,_okay,_minus the splicers).

~~~
wisty
tldr: They