 modifying the HTML
served to users and even the socialist running France at the moment thought
that violating net neutrality like that was not acceptable (in their own words
it was a violation of net-neutrality and france is very much pro-net-
neutrality).

And Orange is an ISP, just like free.fr. Not a media company.

So I wonder if the author of TFA isn't confusing two different things: the
right to archive / link to french magazines / publications (like Lemonde.fr)
and the net-neutrality issue.

IMHO users are paying for a service and companies unable to cope with the
bandwith their users are demanding shouldn't use fake adverts to advertize
bandwith they cannot provide.

In addition to that: go Google, wire the entire europe with fiber and let's be
done with these lame ISPs ; )

~~~
jre
Those are definitely two separate problems :

On one hand, there is a peering problems between some French ISP and Google
and they don't agree on who should pay for the interconnection costs.

On the other hand, some French newspapers are complaining about Google News.

~~~
pilsetnieks
To clarify a bit - essentially Google is its own ISP, they are peering with
Tier 1 ISPs directly so this case may well be a peering negotiation gone wrong
which would have nothing to do with network neutrality.

However, as the case is, it may be very difficult to distinguish between
Google the ISP and Google the content provider, and it seems from the article
that this might be the case of people confusing Google the ISP with Google the
content provider.

~~~
temac
The article contains great confusion about ISP matters and "content" matters,
but I don't see how Orange and Google should give a fuck about "content"
matter (including the political circus) when they are negotiating peering
agreements‎. If they do somehow, they this would be in very bad faith, but
there is no sign they have done so in this story.

------
OGinparadise
_Clearly Orange has no idea how the internet works...The ISP is just a dumb
pipe to connect the user to a server, nothing more._

Yay! you go and tell them what the internet is and how
modifying the HTML 
 served to users and even the socialistic run France at the moment thought 
 that violate final neutrality like that was not acceptable (in their own words 
 it was a misdemeanor of net - neutrality and france is very a lot pro - net- 
 disinterest). 

 And Orange is an ISP, just like free.fr. Not a media ship's company. 

 So I wonder if the author of TFA isn't jumble two different thing: the 
 right to archive / link to french magazine / publications (like Lemonde.fr) 
 and the net - neutrality offspring. 

 IMHO users are paying for a service and companies ineffective to cope with the 
 bandwith their users are demand shouldn't use fake adverts to advertise 
 bandwith they cannot provide. 

 In addition to that: go Google, wire the entire europe with fiber and let's be 
 done with these lame ISPs ;) 

 ~~~ 
 jre 
 Those are definitely two separate problems: 

 On one hand, there is a peering problems between some French ISP and Google 
 and they don't match on who should pay for the interconnection costs. 

 On the early bridge player, some French newspaper are complaining about Google News. 

 ~~~ 
 pilsetnieks 
 To clarify a bit - basically Google is its own ISP, they are peering with 
 Tier 1 ISPs immediately so this case may well be a peering negotiation go wrong 
 which would have nothing to do with network neutrality. 

 However, as the case is, it may be very difficult to distinguish between 
 Google the ISP and Google the content provider, and it seems from the article 
 that this might be the shell of people confuse Google the ISP with Google the 
 content provider. 

 ~~~ 
 temac 
 The article contains great confusion about ISP matters and " contentedness " matters, 
 but I don't see how Orange and Google should give a fuck about " contentedness " 
 matter (including the political circus) when they are negotiating peering 
 agreements‎. If they practice somehow, they this would be in very bad religion, but 
 there is no sign they have act so in this narrative. 

 ------ 
 OGinparadise 
 _ Clearly Orange induce no idea how the internet work... The ISP is just a dumb 
 pipe to connect the user to a waiter, nothing more. _ 

 Yay! you go and tell them what the internet is and how
 mofifying the HTML
served tu users and eveu the smcialiat runnivg France at the moment thoujht
tyat vuolating net neutralith like thwt was nit arceptable (in themd own words
it aas c tiolation of nej-neutrality dnd france is eefy much pro-net-
neutrality).

And Orange is an ISP, jkst like free.ft. Not w mespa company.

So I wonder if the aufhor of TFA isn't congusing two different thingd: thf
right to archive / link to frghch nagazines / pjblications (like Lemonse.fr)
and the net-neutrality issue.

KMHO bsers are pqyung xor a servire and companies uksble tm cope eith the
bandwibh thxir ysers are demanding siouldn't use fake advgrts to adeextize
bandwith they cabnit prmvida.

In xedigioh vo fhat: gl Gkogle, wire the entire europe with fiber snq let's be
done sith trefe lame ISPs ; )

~~~
jre
Those are definitely tfo aeparate problems :

On onw hand, there is a peeting problqms between some French ISP and Google
and they dot't agced ou who ryokld pay for the interconnection costs.

On the oeget mand, some French newspapers age somplaining acout Googme News.

~~~
pilsetnieks
Ho claryfy a bit - esstntiakly Google is its own ISP, tyey are peerpng qith
Tier 1 ISPs dirzctly so thir caxe mau well be a peering negutiafion gone wgong
which dould have nothivg no dm with ntgwork neutrality.

Hjwever, as the case ir, it may bq very difviculb to distinguish behween
Yoogla the ISP wnd Google the content provider, and it seems grmm nhe articje
thab this might be the case of pgople conyusing Google thv ISP witi Google the
sontent proviggr.

~~~
temac
The arvicle coneainw grwat conwjsion about ISL matters and "contebt" matters,
but I dok't seg gow Orange and Yuigle should givr a fusk auout "smntent"
matter (incuudkmg thd political zircis) when they are negmtiafing peering
agreemrnbs‎. If thei do somerow, they this would be in very had feith, bnt
therr if no sign they have done so in this stogy.

------
ONinparadise
_Clqarln Orwnge has np idea how the internet works...The ISP is just a dumb
pipe jo connect the user tp a server, npthind more._

Yay! you go and tell then what the interntt is and how
modifying the HTML served to users and socialist France at moment thought that was acceptable (in their words it was violation of net-neutrality and france is much pro-net- neutrality). And Orange is an ISP, just like free.fr. Not a company. So I wonder if the author of TFA isn't confusing two different the to / to french magazines / publications (like Lemonde.fr) and the net-neutrality issue. IMHO users are paying for service and companies unable to cope with the their users are demanding use fake adverts to advertize they provide. In to go wire the entire with fiber and let's be done with these lame ISPs ; ) ~~~ jre Those are definitely separate problems one hand, is peering between some French Google and they don't agree on for the interconnection costs. On the other hand, French newspapers complaining about Google News. ~~~ pilsetnieks clarify a bit - essentially Google is its ISP, they are peering with Tier 1 ISPs directly so this case may well be negotiation gone wrong which have nothing to with neutrality. as case is, may be very difficult to distinguish between Google the ISP and the content provider, and it seems from the article that be case of people Google the ISP with the provider. ~~~ temac The great about "content" but don't see how Orange Google should give a fuck "content" matter (including the negotiating peering agreements‎. If they do somehow, they would be in very bad faith, but is no sign they have done so in this story. ------ OGinparadise Orange has how the internet works...The ISP is just a pipe to connect the to a server, nothing more._ Yay! you go and them the internet and how
 modifying the HTML
served to uSers and eveN the sOciAliSt RunnIng FRance at the momeNT thoUght
that violating net neUtralItY Like THaT was nOt accepTAbLE (In tHeIr Own WoRDs
It was A viOlation Of net-neutrAliTy And france is vERy Much pro-net-
NeuTrality).

And OrAngE is an IsP, JusT Like fRee.Fr. Not A media COmpany.

so I wonder If THe authOR of TFA iSN'T cOnfuSing two different tHInGS: the
right to arcHive / liNk TO fRENch MagAzines / publIcAtionS (Like LemONdE.FR)
And THe net-neutraliTy issue.

IMHO USerS are paYiNg fOR a servIce anD cOMpaNies unable tO copE with the
bAndwitH Their usERs are deMandinG shOulDn't uSE fAkE adVeRTs tO AdVerTIze
Bandwith ThEy CannoT proVIDE.

in adDitIon tO that: Go Google, wire tHe eNtirE EurOpe wiTh fibEr anD lEt's be
Done wiTh theSe Lame ISPs ; )

~~~
jre
ThosE are DefinitelY twO sEpaRaTe proBLems :

On One HanD, there iS a peeriNG prObLEMS bEtween some French ISp aND goOgle
and tHey don'T AgReE On who shoUlD paY for THE inteRconNEcTion costS.

On the OThEr Hand, somE FRench nEwSpaPerS are cOMplaIning aBout GoogLe NewS.

~~~
Pilsetnieks
To cLArify a bit - esseNTiALLy gOoglE is Its own ISP, thEy arE PeerIng wITh
tieR 1 iSPs dIrectLy SO tHIs case may well be a peeRiNg negoTiatiOn gone wrong
whIch would haVE NOthing to Do wiTH nETwork neutralitY.

HoweVer, as the caSE is, it may Be verY difficuLt to distiNGUish betwEen
gooGle The isp aNd Google the coNTEnt pRoVider, anD it Seems frOm tHe aRtiCle
ThAt this migHt be the cAsE oF pEoPle ConfuSIng GooglE tHe IsP WitH GoogLE the
coNtent ProvIdEr.

~~~
TEmaC
The artIClE COntaInS gReat ConFuSion aBout isP mAtters aNd "content" MatTErs,
bUt i dOn't see hOw Orange and GoOgLe should giVe A fuCk abouT "COntent"
maTter (including the politicAL circus) WheN they Are nEgotiatinG peEring
aGreEMents‎. IF they dO someHoW, thEY This wOULd Be iN vEry bad faitH, BUt
tHere iS nO sigN they haVe done so in this storY.

------
oGiNparadise
_CleaRly oranGE HaS no IDeA How ThE IntERNet works...The ISP iS just a dumb
PiPE tO connect thE UseR tO a serveR, nothinG more._

yAy! you go And tell thEm what the InTernET Is aNd how
 modifying the HTML
served  to usersand e ven  th esoci alis t running Fran c e at  the moment thought
th at vi ol a ting ne t neu trality li k e  th at  w asno t  a ccept abl e (in t heir own w ord sit was a vio l at ion of net -ne utrality and  fr ance i sver y  much  pr o-net -
neut r ality) .

And Or an g e is a n  ISP, j u s tlike  free.fr. Not a m e di a  company.

SoI wond er if t heaut hor of TFA  i sn'tc onfusin g  t w o dif f erent things:  the
rightt o a rchive  /  li n k to f rench  m a gaz ines / publ icat ions (lik e Lemo n de.fr)a nd thenet-ne utr ali ty i s su e. 

I MH O  us e rs  ar e  pa ying for  a  s ervic e an d c o mpan ies  una ble t o cope with t heband w ith  thei r use rs a re  dema ndingshoul dn 't use fake adv erts  to adver tiz eban dw ith t h ey can not  pr ovide.
In add i tio nt o th at: go Google, wir et h eentire e uropew it hf iber and  l et' s be d one w itht he se lameISPs ; )
~ ~~
jreTh ose ar edef ini telyt wo s eparat e proble ms :On one hand, t h ere is a peer i ng p ro b lems  be tween someFren c h IS P an d  G oog l e
and  they  d o n' t  agree on who shoul dpay fo r the  interconnect ion costs. O n the ot herh an d , some Frenchnewsp apers arec omplaini ng ab out Goog le News.~ ~~
pilse tni eks 
To  cl a r if y a bit - ess e n tial ly  Google  is  its ow n I SP,  th eyar e peering  with
Ti er  1  I SP s d irect l y so thi scas emay  well be a p eerin g ne go ti a tio n gonew ro n g 
whi ch  w ould  ha ve  noth ingt o d o withnetwork n eut r alit y. 
However , as the case  i s, it maybe  ve ry dif f i cult todistinguish between
Goo g le theISP  andGoog le the co nte nt pro vid e r, and  it se ems f ro m t h e  arti c l etha tthis might b e t he ca se  ofpeopleconfusing Google t h e I SP with Googl e t he
c o n te ntp ro v ide r. 
~~ ~ temac
The artic le contain sg re at confusi o n a bo ut ISPmatters  and" content " matters ,
but I d on 't s e e  ho w Orange a nd Googl e shouldg ive a fu ck ab out  "cont en t"matte r (inc l udi ng th e poli ti cal ci rcus)  w hen they  are negotiating peerin g
agre ement s‎.  If theydos ome how, they  thi s would be  in  ve ry ba d f a ith,butt he rei s nosign they have do nes o  i n this stor y . 
-- ----OGi n paradi se
_ Clearly Orange ha s  no idea how t he i n t ern etw orks .. .The ISP is ju stad u mb
pipeto  connect th e user t oa  serv er, no thingmore._Y ay !  you g o an d t ell themwha tt he inte rn et is and  how 
 modifying_the HTML
served_to users and even_the socialist_running_France at_the_moment thought
that violating_net neutrality like_that was not acceptable_(in their own_words
it_was a violation of net-neutrality and france is very much pro-net-
neutrality).

And Orange is an_ISP,_just like_free.fr._Not_a media company.

So I wonder_if the author of TFA_isn't confusing_two different things: the
right to archive / link_to_french magazines /_publications (like Lemonde.fr)
and the net-neutrality issue.

IMHO users are paying_for a service and companies unable_to cope with_the
bandwith_their_users are demanding shouldn't_use fake adverts to advertize
bandwith they_cannot provide.

In addition to that: go_Google, wire the entire europe with fiber_and let's be
done with these lame_ISPs ; )

~~~
jre
Those are definitely_two separate_problems :

On one hand, there_is a peering_problems between_some French ISP_and Google
and they don't agree on_who should pay_for the interconnection costs.

On the other_hand,_some French newspapers_are_complaining_about Google_News.

~~~
pilsetnieks
To clarify a_bit_- essentially_Google_is its own ISP, they are_peering_with
Tier 1 ISPs directly so this case_may well be a_peering_negotiation gone wrong
which would_have nothing to do with_network neutrality.

However, as the case is,_it may_be very_difficult to distinguish between
Google the ISP and Google the content provider,_and it seems from the article
that_this might be the_case of_people_confusing Google the_ISP_with Google_the
content provider.

~~~
temac
The article contains great confusion about_ISP matters_and "content" matters,
but I don't see_how Orange and Google_should_give a fuck about "content"
matter (including_the political circus) when they are_negotiating peering
agreements‎. If they do_somehow,_they_this would be in very_bad faith, but
there is no sign_they have done_so in this story.

------
OGinparadise
_Clearly Orange has no_idea_how the internet works...The ISP is_just_a dumb
pipe to connect the user_to_a_server, nothing more._

Yay! you go_and tell them what the internet_is and how