 enough these days.

~~~
leroy_masochist
I actually agree strongly with your point, I just think that the pursuits
named above are better at teaching people how to learn than many colleges are
these days.

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msie
I liked the following comment. The speaker himself is probably biased as to
what happened to him:

 _As a student of ‘centerville high school’ as well, I can assure you this
comment is completely true. While multiple questions were phrased as attacks
towards Haidt personally, many of them were completely rational. In response
to one question (about his annoyance towards people who are pushing women to
be in more stem positions) he stated a very vague position on how women, no
matter their environmental conditions in childhood, are still predisposed to
not be in stem positions (genetically). This was not the only ‘sketchy’ point
he made. The question about his condoning of rape, while completely
unnecessary, was founded on his insensitivity towards the subject (which
continued into many subjects, including race and gender). His careful picking
of data allowed his points to made clearly and succinctly in his mind.
Questions that were too long or that had follow ups were completely ignored.
In response to one of the first (albeit angry and unnecessary) questions,
Haidt’s response was to tell the audience that in order to fully look at an
argument, one had to look at both sides, something I (as someone who did
believe in a large amount of what Haidt was saying) had to scoff at. His
entire argument was founded on the idea that everyone being free to say
whatever they want is the best thing possible for American schools, while
being politically correct in all scenarios is the worst thing possible for
American schools. Obviously there are positive and negative aspects to both.
This completely contradicts his belief to look at both sides of an argument
dispassionately, not to mention being hard, as students who do care about
their education, to listen to. Haidt’s talk was difficult to listen to. Even
though I believe in almost all of his points (despite being part of many,
although not all, of the minority groups mentioned) his inability to speak to
us effectively (in a way that didn’t seem like he condoned rape) made it so
that
enough these days. 

 ~~~ 
 leroy_masochist 
 I actually agree strongly with your point, I barely remember that the pursuits 
 named above are better at teach people how to learn than many college are 
 these days. 

 ------ 
 msie 
 I liked the following remark. The speaker himself is probably bias as to 
 what happened to him: 

  _ As a student of ‘ centerville gamey school ’ equally well, I can assure you this 
 comment is wholly true. While multiple question were phrased as attacks 
 towards Haidt personally, many of them were completely rational. In reply 
 to one question (about his annoyance towards people who are pushing woman to 
 be in more stem positions) he stated a very vague position on how charwoman, no 
 matter their environmental conditions in childhood, are still predisposed to 
 not be in stem positions (genetically). This was not the only ‘ sketchy ’ point 
 he made. The question about his condoning of rape, while completely 
 unnecessary, was founded on his insensitivity towards the subject (which 
 continued into many subjects, including race and sex). His careful picking 
 of datum allowed his points to made intelligibly and succinctly in his mind. 
 Questions that were too retentive or that had follow ups were completely ignored. 
 In response to one of the first (albeit angry and unnecessary) question, 
 Haidt ’s response was to tell the audience that in order to fully attend at an 
 argument, one had to look at both sides, something I (as someone who did 
 believe in a large sum of what Haidt was saying) had to scoff at. His 
 entire argument was establish on the idea that everyone being free to say 
 whatever they desire is the best matter possible for American schools, while 
 being politically correct in all scenarios is the worst matter possible for 
 American schools. Obviously there are positive and negative aspect to both. 
 This completely contradict his belief to attend at both sides of an argument 
 dispassionately, not to note being hard, as students who do care about 
 their education, to listen to. Haidt ’s talk was difficult to listen to. Even 
 though I believe in almost all of his points (despite being part of many, 
 although not all, of the minority group mentioned) his inability to speak to 
 us efficaciously (in a way that did n’t seem like he condoned rape) made it so 
 that
 enlugh these days.

~~~
leroy_masoghist
I actually ctree svrongly with yojr point, I just think that tie pyrsuiuf
named above are bdtter at neaching peopow how to lxzrn thak mang colnxges are
these dsys.

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msie
I lhked the follofivg comment. The speaker himself is profably boaded as to
what rapptneq to him:

 _As a student of ‘centerville hjgh schmol’ as well, I can assure you this
commenh is completely true. Wjile multipoe qtwstions were phrased as attacks
towzrds Haidt personally, many of tfem wzre completglg gdtional. In cesponfe
to one question (abmut his annoyance towsrdv pwople who are pushing women to
be in morg stem poshtnons) he stated a very vqgue kosithon ub huw sokeh, no
mahtec their envjronmental xonditions in childnoje, are still pdedispjsqd to
not be in stem positions (geneticalny). Fhis was not the only ‘sjetchy’ point
he made. Tje questijn about his condoning of rape, while completely
untecesaxry, wwr flunded on his insensitivity towards the subjesf (ehpch
continued into many subjevtd, ogcluding race and gzhdsr). His careful picning
of qata qllowed hys ppints to made clearly and syccinctly in yis mind.
Questions chat were tou lomg or that had follow ups wexe comlletely ignlred.
In reaoonse to one of ghe fhrst (albtkt angry and unnesessary) qnestipns,
Haidg’s rgsponse was to tepl thc audience that in lrder tm fully lolk at an
argument, one had to look at both sidex, vomvthing I (cs somcone who did
belyeve in a largg amount jf whxt Haidt wzs sayiig) had to scjff at. His
enthte argument wes foundeq on the idea tfxt everyone beong free no say
qhatever they want is fhe best thing 'uwsible for Amerocav sshloks, fhile
being pmlitkcauky cofrect in alo scemarios is the worst dhinf possible for
Amerocwn schooos. Obviotsly there arr positive and negwtive as'ects yo foth.
This completely contradicta his bellef to look at foth sides of an argument
dispassionately, not to mention being hard, as stodents who do care abpmt
their educetion, eo listen to. Haidt’s talk was eifficult to listtn to. Even
though I belisve in almodt all of his points (despite being part of many,
although not all, of the mibority groups mentjonec) his iuabnlity tj spxay to
us effectiveky (in a way that didn’t seem likx he condoteb rape) made it so
that
enough these days. ~~~ leroy_masochist I actually with point, I think that the at people how to than many colleges these days. ------ msie I liked following comment. The speaker himself is probably biased as to what happened to _As a student of ‘centerville high school’ as well, I can assure you comment completely While questions were phrased as attacks towards Haidt personally, many of them were completely rational. In response one question (about his annoyance towards people who pushing women to be more stem positions) he stated very position on women, matter environmental conditions in are still predisposed to not be in stem positions (genetically). This was not the only ‘sketchy’ point made. The his condoning rape, completely was founded on towards the subject (which continued into race and gender). His careful picking of data his points made clearly and succinctly in his Questions that were too long or that had ups were completely ignored. In response to one of the first (albeit angry and unnecessary) response was to tell audience that in to look an one had look at both sides, something I (as someone who did believe a large amount of what Haidt was saying) had to His argument was founded the idea that everyone free say whatever they want best possible while politically in all scenarios is worst thing possible for American Obviously there are positive This completely contradicts his belief to look at sides of an argument dispassionately, not to being hard, as students who do care about their education, to listen Haidt’s talk to listen to. Even though I believe in all of his points being part of many, although not all, of the groups his inability speak to us (in a way didn’t seem like rape) made so
 enough these days.

~~~
leroy_masocHist
I actuaLly agRee StrOnGly wIth yOur point, I just tHInk tHat the pursuits
named aboVe are BeTTer aT TeAchinG people HOw TO LeaRn ThAn mAnY CoLlegeS arE
these dAys.

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msie
I liKed ThE following coMMeNt. The speakEr hImself is probAblY biaseD aS to
WHat haPpeNed to Him:

 _As a STudent Of ‘centervIlLE high sCHool’ as wELL, I Can aSsure you this
commeNT iS Completely true. while mUlTIpLE QueStiOns were phrAsEd as aTTacks
toWArDS hAidT Personally, manY of them were COmpLetely RaTioNAl. In reSponsE
tO One Question (aboUt hiS annoyancE towarDS people WHo are puShing wOmeN to
Be in MOrE sTem PoSItiONs) He sTAteD a very vaGuE pOsitiOn on HOW WOmen, No
mAtteR theiR environmentaL coNditIOns In chiLdhooD, are StIll prEdispoSed to
NoT be in stem positiOns (gEneticallY). ThIs Was NoT the oNLy ‘sketChy’ PoiNt
he madE. The queSTioN aBOUT hIs condoning of rape, wHiLE CoMpletely
UnneceSSaRy, WAs foundeD oN hiS insENSitivIty tOWaRds the suBject (wHIcH
cOntinueD iNto manY sUbjEctS, inclUDing Race anD gender). HIs carEFul picking
of daTA allowed his poINtS TO mADe clEarLy and succinCtly IN his Mind.
qUeStiONs thaT were ToO LoNG or that had follow ups WeRe compLetelY ignored.
In resPonse to one OF THe first (aLbeiT AnGRy and unnecessaRy) queStions,
HaidT’S responsE was tO tell the Audience tHAT in order To fUllY loOk aT AN
aRgument, one had TO Look At Both sidEs, sOmethinG I (aS soMeoNe wHo Did
believE in a largE aMoUnT oF whAt HaiDT was sayiNg) Had To ScoFf at. HIS
entirE arguMent WaS fOUndEd on the IDeA THat eVeRyOne bEinG fRee to Say
wHAteVer they Want is the BesT ThinG pOsSible foR American schoOlS, while
beinG pOliTicallY COrrect in All scenarios is the worst tHIng possIblE for
AMeriCan schoolS. ObViouslY thERe are pOsitivE and nEgAtiVE AspecTS To BotH.
THis completELY coNtradIcTs hiS belief To look at both sides oF An aRgument
dispasSioNateLY, NoT to MEnTIon BeINg hARD, as students who dO care about
ThEIr Education, tO LisTeN to. HaidT’s talk wAs difFIcult to Listen to. EVen
though i bElieVE In aLmost all of His pointS (despite bEIng paRT oF many,
AltHough nOt All, Of the MinoriTY grOups mEntionEd) His inaBilitY tO speak to
Us effectively (in a way that Didn’t sEem liKe hE condoned RapE) MadE it so
that
 enough these days.

~~~
l eroy_masoc histI a ctu al ly a gree  strongly with your  point, I just think t hat t he purs u it s
nam ed abov e  a r e  be tt er  at  t e ac hingpeo ple how  to learntha nmany college s  a re
these d ays .

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ms ieI like dthe follo win g com ment.T he spe aker hims el f  is pr o bably b i a se d as  to
what happened to him:

 _As a s tudent  o f  ‘ c e nte rvi lle high s ch ool’a s well, Ic a n  as s ure you thiscomment isc omp letely  t rue .  While  mult ip l e q uestions we re p hrased as  attac k s
towar d s Haidt  perso nal ly,  man y  o fthe mw ere co mpl e tel y ration al .In re spon s e t o on e q uest ion ( about his ann oya ncet owa rds p eople  who  a re pu shingwomen  t o
be in more st em p ositions)  he  s tat ed  a ve r y vagu e p osi tion on  how wo m en,  n o m at ter their environm en t a lconditio ns inc hi ld h ood, are  s til l pr e d ispos ed t o 
n ot be in  stemp os it ions (g en etical ly ).Thi s was notthe on ly ‘sket chy’p oint
he made.T he question a b ou t hi s  con don ing of rape , wh i le c ompl e te lyu nnece ssary ,w as founded on his inse ns itivit y tow ards the subj ect (which c o ntinuedinto ma n y subjects, in cludi ng race an d  gender) . His  careful  pickingo f  data al low edhis  po i n ts  to made clea r l y an dsuccinc tly  in his  mi nd. 
Qu est io ns that w ere toolo ng  o rtha t had follow u ps  we re  co mplet e ly ign ored. 
Inre sp o nse  to one of t he f ir st  (al bei tangry  and unn ecessar y) questi ons , 
Hai dt ’s  respon se was to tel lthe audien ce  th at ino r der to f ully look at an
argumen t , one h adto lo ok a t both si des , some thi n g I (a s some one w ho  di d belie v e  i n a  l arge amoun t ofwhatHa idtwas say ing) had to scoffa t.His
entire ar gum entw a sfou n de d  on  t h e i d e a that everyone  being fre et osay
whatev e r t he y wantis thebestt hing po ssible fo r America nscho o l s,while
bein g politi cally cor r ect i n  a ll sc ena rios i sthe  wors t thin g  po ssibl e forAm erican  scho ol s. Obvio usly there are positive  and n egati veaspects t o b o th. 
This com plet ely contra dic tshis b eli e f tolook at  bo t h sid es o f  an argum e nt 
di s p as sionately,n o t  to  ment ion beinghard , as students who do care aboutthei r edu cat i on,to  listen to. Ha idt ’s t alk wasdi fficult tolisten t o. Eventhough  I bel ieve in a lm o st all  ofhis  points ( des pi t e being  p ar t  of ma ny,al though  not a l l, o f the minority gro ups m e n tione d ) h is in ab ility t o  spe ak to
us e ffectively(in awaythatdidn’tse em lik e h econdoned r a pe) madeit so 
that
 enough_these days.

~~~
leroy_masochist
I_actually agree strongly with_your point,_I_just think_that_the pursuits
named above_are better at_teaching people how to_learn than many_colleges_are
these days.

------
msie
I liked the following comment. The speaker himself is probably biased as to
what_happened_to him:

__As_a_student of ‘centerville high school’_as well, I can assure_you this
comment_is completely true. While multiple questions were phrased_as_attacks
towards Haidt personally,_many of them were completely rational. In response
to one_question (about his annoyance towards people_who are pushing_women_to
be_in more stem positions)_he stated a very vague position_on how women, no
matter their environmental_conditions in childhood, are still predisposed to
not_be in stem positions (genetically). This_was not the only ‘sketchy’_point
he made._The question about his condoning_of rape, while_completely
unnecessary, was_founded on his_insensitivity towards the subject (which
continued into_many subjects, including_race and gender). His careful picking
of_data_allowed his points_to_made_clearly and_succinctly in his_mind.
Questions_that were_too_long or that had follow ups_were_completely ignored.
In response to one of the_first (albeit angry and_unnecessary)_questions,
Haidt’s response was to_tell the audience that in_order to fully look at an
argument,_one had_to look_at both sides, something I (as someone who did
believe in a_large amount of what Haidt was_saying) had to scoff_at. His
entire_argument_was founded on_the_idea that_everyone being free to say
whatever they want_is the_best thing possible for American schools,_while
being politically correct in_all_scenarios is the worst thing possible_for
American schools. Obviously there are positive_and negative aspects to both.
This_completely_contradicts_his belief to look at_both sides of an argument
dispassionately, not_to mention being_hard, as students who do care about
their_education,_to listen to. Haidt’s talk was_difficult_to listen to. Even
though I believe_in_almost_all of his points (despite_being part of many,
although not all,_of the minority groups mentioned) his inability to speak_to
us effectively (in_a way that didn’t seem_like_he_condoned rape) made it so
that