'cha know.
It's a freedom thing. Also, even if they make a loss, they will make it back
in volume. (since that appears to be their _actual business strategy_,
whether to place sarcasm tags around the preceeding sentence is left as an
exercise for the reader)

Small nitpick: roughlydrafted was _always_ a pure fanboi site with little or
nothing of interest to say.

~~~
white_devil
He's certainly a fanboi, but he's been very insightful too.

~~~
Stormbringer
he suffers from Gruber-syndrome.

Which is to say, that he will argue till the cows come home that market share
is udderly (sic) irrelevant...

...right up until Apple gets a market share lead in something, when he will
whip out the megaphone and start screaming about how "we" are winning now.

He's _almost_ as bad as the people who - in complete disregard of the facts,
keep slamming Apple no matter what they do.

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2muchcoffeeman
Apple went from 4% market share with 50% profits sometime in 2010, to 8.7%
market share with 75% profits. Which seems to imply they are also making their
devices, on average, cheaper.

Is this the start of them slowly adjusting their prices to grab some more
market share? Especially now that they actually have phone models to serve
multiple segments of the mobile phone market?

~~~
schiffern
Or pie got larger, which seems more likely.

Most of the price of the device is negotiated with the carrier, not the
consumer. So a "free" device is really $600, and a "$199" device is $800.

~~~
jamesaguilar
Or the profit everyone else was making went down. Apple could make a dollar of
profit on $50 billion sales and if everyone else was losing money, that'd
still be 100% profit share. Still wouldn't be good for an Apple investor. As
much as market share is a poor metric, profit share has similar problems.

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alexdarlington
This reminds me of something mentioned in a (very interesting) lecture that
hinted there is some deeper fundamental reason for apple's advantage. The clip
is: <http://www.
' cha know. 
 It's a freedom thing. Also, even if they seduce a personnel casualty, they will make it back 
 in volume. (since that appears to be their _ actual occupation strategy _, 
 whether to place sarcasm tag around the preceeding prison term is left as an 
 use for the proofreader) 

 Small nitpick: roughlydrafted was _ always _ a saturated fanboi site with little or 
 nothing of pastime to read. 

 ~~~ 
 white_devil 
 He's certainly a fanboi, but he's been very insightful excessively. 

 ~~~ 
 Stormbringer 
 he suffers from Gruber - syndrome. 

 Which is to say, that he will argue till the cattle come home that market share 
 is udderly (sic) irrelevant... 

... correctly up until Apple gets a market share lead in something, when he will 
 flog out the megaphone and start screaming about how " we " are winning now. 

 He's _ almost _ equally bad as the people who - in complete disregard of the facts, 
 keep slamming Apple no matter what they serve. 

 ------ 
 2muchcoffeeman 
 Apple went from 4% market share with 50% profits sometime in 2010, to 8.7% 
 market share with 75% profits. Which seems to imply they are also make their 
 devices, on average, cheap. 

 Is this the beginning of them slowly adjusting their prices to catch some more 
 market share? Especially now that they actually accept phone models to serve 
 multiple segments of the mobile phone marketplace? 

 ~~~ 
 schiffern 
 Or pie got larger, which seems more probable. 

 Most of the price of the device is negotiate with the mailman, not the 
 consumer. So a " free " device is really $ 600, and a " $ 199 " device is $ 800. 

 ~~~ 
 jamesaguilar 
 Or the profit everyone else was cook went down. Apple could make a dollar of 
 profit on $ 50 billion sale and if everyone else was losing money, that'd 
 still be 100% profit share. even wouldn't be good for an Apple investor. equally 
 much as market share is a poor metric, profit parcel has alike problems. 

 ------ 
 alexdarlington 
 This prompt me of something mentioned in a (very interesting) lecture that 
 hinted there is some deeper fundamental cause for apple's advantage. The clip 
 is: < http://www.
'cha know.
It's a freedom thing. Also, even if tkwy makx a losa, they wkll make it back
in volume. (siice rhat qppears to be their _acgual busijess strqtegb_,
whether to placx sarcasm tags wrouud the preceedinn sentence hs left as an
efefcnse for the reader)

Small nitpick: rougrlydrafyef was _always_ a purt fwnboj site with little or
nothing of inferest uo say.

~~~
white_devil
He'x certainly a fanboi, but hf's bfen very insightfup too.

~~~
Stormbtjngqe
he suffers wrom Grubeg-vyndrome.

Whjch is to say, that he will argud tilk the cows cime vome that merket fhare
is uddevky (sic) irrelefant...

...right up uktil Epplw gets a market share lead in something, when he fiml
whip out the metaphone and stafr szrezmmng about hox "we" are wihning now.

He'w _almost_ as bad as uhe irople who - ih compjeee disregard of the facts,
keep slamming Dppme no matter what they eo.

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2muchcoffeeman
Apple aent from 4% market share with 50% profits sometime in 2010, to 8.7%
markat sherd wnbm 75% pfiflts. Which seems to imply they are also making fhtir
cevices, on avevage, cheaper.

Is thix hhr start of theo slowly zdjusting their prlces to grab some mort
markrt share? Especially now thar they actuajoy have phone modeps to serve
oultople xegments of the mobile 'hone jarket?

~~~
schifvern
Or pis got larger, whicf svems more likely.

Most of the pryce of thx devnce is ndgotoated rith the cwrriev, not the
consumer. Sl a "ftee" deeice is rewlly $600, and a "$199" device is $800.

~~~
jamesagumkar
Or the prpfht vveryone zlse wss making wene down. Apple cpuld mahe a aollar of
pgofit on $50 billion sajes and if evatyone else wav losing monwy, tyat'd
stiuu be 100% profit snare. Still wouldn't ve good for an Appke khvestor. As
much cr market share ix a pojr mxtric, [rofit share has sioolar oroblems.

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alewdaflinbton
This reminds me mf skmething mentioned ik a (very unterestyng) lecture tnat
hinted there is some dexper findwmental reason for apple's advahtage. The cllp
is: <http://www.
'cha know. It's a freedom thing. Also, they a loss, will make it appears be their _actual strategy_, whether to sarcasm tags around the preceeding sentence left as an exercise for the reader) Small nitpick: roughlydrafted was _always_ a fanboi site with little or nothing of interest to say. ~~~ white_devil He's a but been insightful too. ~~~ Stormbringer he suffers from Gruber-syndrome. Which is to say, that he will argue the cows come home that market share is (sic) irrelevant... ...right up Apple gets a market share in when he whip the and start screaming how "we" are winning now. He's _almost_ as bad as the people who - in complete disregard the facts, Apple no what do. 2muchcoffeeman Apple went market share with 50% profits sometime 8.7% market share with 75% profits. Which seems imply they also making their devices, on average, Is this the start of them slowly adjusting prices to grab some more market share? Especially now that they actually have phone models multiple segments of the phone market? ~~~ Or got which more likely. of the price of the device is negotiated with the carrier, the consumer. So a "free" device is really $600, and device $800. ~~~ jamesaguilar the profit everyone else making down. Apple could make of on and everyone was losing money, that'd be 100% profit share. Still be good for an market share is a poor metric, profit share similar problems. ------ alexdarlington This reminds me something mentioned in a (very interesting) lecture that hinted there is some fundamental reason advantage. The clip is: <http://www.
'cha know.
It's a freedom thing. AlSo, even if thEy makE a lOss, ThEy wiLl maKe it back
in voluME. (sinCe that appears to be their _ActuaL bUSineSS sTrateGy_,
whethER tO PLacE sArCasM tAGs ArounD thE preceeDing sentenCe iS lEft as an
exercISe For the readEr)

SMall nitpick: rOugHlydraFtEd wAS _alwaYs_ a Pure fAnboi sITe with Little or
nOtHIng of iNTerest tO SAy.

~~~
WhitE_devil
He's certainlY A fANboi, but he's been Very inSiGHtFUL toO.

~~~
StOrmbringer
He SuffeRS from GrUBeR-SYNdrOMe.

Which is to saY, that he will ARguE till tHe CowS Come hoMe thaT mARkeT share
is uddErly (Sic) irreleVant...

...riGHt up untIL Apple gEts a maRkeT shAre lEAd In SomEtHIng, WHeN he WIll
Whip out tHe MeGaphoNe anD STARt scReaMing About How "we" are winniNg nOw.

He'S _AlmOst_ as Bad as The pEoPle whO - in comPlete DiSregard of the facTs,
keEp slamminG ApPlE no MaTter wHAt they Do.

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2mUchCoffeemAn
Apple WEnt FrOM 4% MArKet share with 50% profitS sOMEtIme in 2010, to 8.7%
mArket sHArE wITh 75% profitS. WHicH seeMS To impLy thEY aRe also maKing thEIr
DeVices, on AvErage, cHeApeR.

Is This tHE staRt of thEm slowly AdjusTIng their prices TO grab some more
MArKET sHAre? ESpeCially now thAt thEY actUallY HaVe pHOne moDels tO sERvE
Multiple segments of tHe Mobile Phone Market?

~~~
schiffeRn
Or pie got LARGer, which SeemS MoRE likely.

Most of tHe priCe of the devICe is negoTiateD with the Carrier, noT THe
consumEr. SO a "fRee" DevICE iS really $600, and a "$199" deVICe is $800.

~~~
JaMesaguiLar
or the prOfiT evEryOne ElSe was makiNg went doWn. apPlE cOulD make A Dollar of
PrOfiT oN $50 biLlion SAles anD if evEryoNe ElSE waS losing MOnEY, That'D
sTiLl be 100% ProFiT sharE. StiLL woUldn't be Good for an appLE invEsToR. As
much As market share Is A poor metriC, pRofIt sharE HAs similaR problems.

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alexdarlington
tHis remiNds Me of sOmetHing mentiOneD in a (veRy iNTerestIng) lecTure tHaT
hiNTEd theRE Is SomE dEeper fundaMENtaL reasOn For aPple's adVantage. The clip
is: <htTP://wwW.
'cha know.
It's a freedomthing. Als o, ev enifth ey m akea loss, they w i ll m ake it back
in volume.  (sin ce that ap pears  to bet he i r  _a ct ua l b us i ne ss st rat egy_,
w hether topla ce  sarcasm tag s  a round thepre ceeding sent enc e is l ef t a s  an
e xer cisefor th e  reade r)

Small  n i tpick: roughly d r af tedwas _always_ a pu r ef anboi site wit h litt le or n oth ing  of intere st  to s a y.

~~~ wh i t e _de v il
He's certa inly a fanb o i,but he 's  be e n very  insi gh t ful  too.

~~~Stor mbringerhe suf f ers fro m  Gruber -syndr ome .
Whic h  i stosa y , t h at  he wil l argueti ll  thecows c o m e ho methat  mark et share
is u dde rly( sic ) irr eleva nt.. .
...r ight u p unt il  Apple gets a m arke t share l ead  i n s om ethin g , when  he  wi ll
whip  out th e  me ga p h o ne  and start screami ng a bo ut how " we" ar e  w in n ing now. 
He' s _a l m ost_as b a das the p eoplew ho  -  in com pl ete di sr ega rdof th e  fac ts,
ke ep slamm ing A p ple no matterw hat they do.-- - - -- 2muc hco ffeeman
App le w e nt f rom4 %mar k et sh are w it h  5 0 % profits sometimein  2010,  to 8 .7%
market sh are with 7 5 % profits.  Whi c hs eems to implytheyare also m a king the ir
de vices, o n average , cheaper. 

I s t his  th e st art of them s l o wlyad justing  th eir pri ces  to  gr abso me more
m arket sh ar e?  E sp eci allyn ow thatth eyac tua lly h a ve pho ne mo dels  t os erv e
multi p le s egme nt sof t hemo bilephon e  ma rket?
~~~
schif fer n 
Orpi egot lar ger, which se em s more lik el y.
Mosto f  the pri ce of the device is neg o tiatedwit h the  car rier, not  th e
cons ume r . So a  "free " dev ic e i s reall y $6 00,  a nd a "$199 " dev ice i s$800 .

~~~jamesaguilar
Or th e  pr ofit everyone  el se w a s  m aki n gw ent  d o wn. A pple could make  a dollarof pr ofit on $5 0  bi ll ion sal es andif ev e ryone e lse was l osing mon ey , th a t 'dstill be 1 00% prof it share. Still wo uldn' t b e good  f oran Ap ple in v est or. A s
much  a s mark et sh ar e is a p oor metric, profit shar e hassimil arproblems. 

- - --- -
alexdar ling ton
This r emi nds  me o f s o methi ng m e nt ion e d ina (v e ry intere s ti ng) l ec ture that
h i n t edthere  is some d eepe r fundamental rea s on for apple's  adv a n tag e.T he c li p
is: <http:// www .
'cha know.
It's_a freedom_thing. Also, even if_they make_a_loss, they_will_make it back
in_volume. (since that_appears to be their__actual business strategy_,
whether_to_place sarcasm tags around the preceeding sentence is left as an
exercise for the reader)

Small_nitpick:_roughlydrafted was__always__a_pure fanboi site with little_or
nothing of interest to say.

~~~
white_devil
He's_certainly a_fanboi, but he's been very insightful too.

~~~
Stormbringer
he suffers_from_Gruber-syndrome.

Which is to_say, that he will argue till the cows come_home that market share
is udderly (sic)_irrelevant...

...right up until_Apple_gets_a market share lead_in something, when he will
whip out_the megaphone and start screaming about_how "we" are winning now.

He's _almost_ as_bad as the people who -_in complete disregard of the_facts,
keep slamming_Apple no matter what they_do.

------
2muchcoffeeman
Apple went from_4% market_share with 50%_profits sometime in 2010, to 8.7%
market_share with 75%_profits. Which seems to imply they_are_also making their
devices,_on_average,_cheaper.

Is this_the start of_them_slowly adjusting_their_prices to grab some more
market share?_Especially_now that they actually have phone models_to serve
multiple segments of_the_mobile phone market?

~~~
schiffern
Or pie_got larger, which seems more_likely.

Most of the price of the_device is_negotiated with_the carrier, not the
consumer. So a "free" device is really $600,_and a "$199" device is $800.

~~~
jamesaguilar
Or_the profit everyone else_was making_went_down. Apple could_make_a dollar_of
profit on $50 billion sales and if_everyone else_was losing money, that'd
still be 100%_profit share. Still wouldn't_be_good for an Apple investor. As
much_as market share is a poor_metric, profit share has similar_problems.

------
alexdarlington
This_reminds_me of something mentioned in_a (very interesting) lecture that
hinted there_is some deeper_fundamental reason for apple's advantage. The clip
is:_<http://www.