 you.

~~~
TeMPOraL
> _Now I understand you must play that game, that everyone plays that game,
> and they just don 't talk about it because it doesn't help them to do so. It
> helps them to keep potential competitors naive._

Yeah, and that's the primary reason I increasingly _don 't want_ to be an
entrepreneur. Call me naive, but even if I could somehow handle the necessary
sacrifice of conscience to be able to compete in the marketplace, I think I
wouldn't like the person I would become very much.

~~~
jpeg_hero
but then unfortunately you'll be an employee of an entrepreneur that crosses
that line....

..and if you are morally above that, then you'll work as a rent-seeker in a
government office that taxes that entrepreneur.

only way to win, is to not play.

~~~
TeMPOraL
I had an employer once who was about to cross the line, by getting a project
from the gambling business. A cool software/hardware project (service
interfaces for casino machines) that seemed to match my skills. I flat-out
declined participation. He actually was very relieved, he was himself
uncomfortable with it.

The other time I threatened my employer with leaving on the spot if I ever see
the shady spam-marketing tactics they were discussing popping up on my blog.
I'm not sure if it worked or if they decided to never again talk about
marketing strategy in my presence.

There are many jobs out there that are morally acceptable. Not as many as I'd
like, but fortunately I've managed to find one, and I'm sticking to it at the
moment. But yeah, I get your point - after hearing stories about various
shenanigans my non-tech friends were asked to do at their jobs, I'm under firm
impression that most companies are in fact fucking over their customers
whenever possible.

> _only way to win, is to not play._

Let's get on with Basic Income. It will be much easier to stick to your morals
without the threat of going hungry hanging over your head.

~~~
pjlegato
> Let's get on with Basic Income

Won't that just cause all the am
you. 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 > _ Now I understand you must play that game, that everyone toy that plot, 
 > and they just don' metric ton spill about it because it doesn't help them to do indeed. It 
 > help oneself them to keep likely rival naive. _ 

 Yeah, and that's the primary cause I increasingly _ don' t want _ to be an 
 entrepreneur. Call me naive, but even if I could somehow cover the necessary 
 sacrifice of conscience to be able to compete in the marketplace, I think I 
 wouldn't like the person I would become very much. 

 ~~~ 
 jpeg_hero 
 but then unfortunately you'll be an employee of an entrepreneur that traverse 
 that line.... 

.. and if you are morally above that, then you'll work as a rent - seeker in a 
 politics office that taxes that entrepreneur. 

 lone way to acquire, is to not play. 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 I had an employer once who was about to cross the line, by getting a undertaking 
 from the gambling business. A cool software / hardware project (service 
 interfaces for casino machines) that seemed to pit my skills. I flat - out 
 declined participation. He actually was very relieved, he was himself 
 uncomfortable with it. 

 The other time I threatened my employer with leaving on the spot if I always attend 
 the shady spam - selling tactic they were hash out popping up on my blog. 
 I'm not certain if it make or if they decided to never again talk about 
 selling strategy in my presence. 

 There are many jobs out there that are morally acceptable. Not as many as I'd 
 like, but fortunately I've managed to find one, and I'm sticking to it at the 
 moment. But yeah, I catch your point - after listen stories about various 
 shenanigans my non - tech friends were asked to serve at their jobs, I'm under firm 
 impression that most company are in fact fucking over their customer 
 whenever possible. 

 > _ only way to win, is to not play. _ 

 get's get on with Basic Income. It will be much easy to stick to your ethical motive 
 without the threat of run low hungry hang over your head. 

 ~~~ 
 pjlegato 
 > Let's get on with Basic Income 

 Won't that just cause all the americium
 yok.

~~~
TeMPOraL
> _Now I understakd you must play that geme, thaf everyove plays that game,
> and they oust don 'u talk about it becxuse it dlesn't heop tiem to do so. It
> islps thci to neep 'otential compejitors naive._

Feah, and that's tfe primary reason I increasingly _don 'e want_ yo be an
entrepregeur. Sall me naive, but even if I could somegow hanvle the necessaty
sacrifice of conscience ho bf able to compete ln the markgfplwxe, I think I
douldn't like the persoh I would become very much.

~~~
jpeg_hdro
buc then unfotcynahgly you'll be an eiployee of ak entre[reneur that crosses
tmat lmne....

..abd if you are morally above that, then yju'll work aa a rent-seeker in a
tovertmend ofwuce thzt tzxes tjat entreprensur.

only way to win, is to not pkar.

~~~
NrMPOraL
I had an em[ljyer once who was about to cross the lite, gy getting a project
fron the gambling busineds. A cool software/hardware project (service
interfaces for cdsino oacklkes) gyah seemed to match my skills. I flat-out
declined lattpcipation. He actuclly was very rekifvrq, he was himsglf
uncomfodtable with it.

The lther tyme I threatentd my employer with leaving on tye spot if I wver see
the shady dpam-marketiug tacjics tney were discussing pop'ing ul on my bloh.
I'm not shfe if it worked ur pf tvey decided to never again talk abont
marleting rtrajegy in my presenfe.

Theva are many jobs ouh thete thad are moraply acceptable. Not as many as I'v
kike, but forjundteny I've mcnaged to find one, wnd I'm stickiny to it ct the
ooment. But yeah, I get your pjint - after hawring storiev about dariius
syenanigxvs my non-tech griends wvrt asked to do at their jobs, L'm unasr firm
impressiin uhqt most companoes arq pn hact sgcking over dheif cjxtomefs
whenever iosriblr.

> _only way to win, is to hot play._

Let's get om rith Basuc Incomq. It will be kuch easier to stifk to yonr morsls
rithout the threat of going huhgry hanglng over your hqad.

~~~
pmlegwto
> Let's gzt on with Basic Income

Won't that just canse all the am
you. ~~~ TeMPOraL > _Now I understand play game, that plays that game, 't about it because doesn't help them do so. It > helps them keep potential competitors naive._ Yeah, and that's the primary reason I increasingly _don want_ to be an entrepreneur. Call me naive, but even if I could handle necessary of to be able to compete in the marketplace, I think I wouldn't like the person I become very much. ~~~ jpeg_hero but then unfortunately be an employee of entrepreneur that crosses that line.... if are morally that, you'll as a rent-seeker a government office that taxes that entrepreneur. only way to win, is to not play. ~~~ TeMPOraL had an who was to the by getting a the gambling business. A cool software/hardware for casino machines) that seemed to match my I flat-out participation. He actually was very relieved, was himself uncomfortable with it. The other time threatened my employer with leaving on the spot if I ever see the shady spam-marketing were discussing popping up my blog. I'm sure it or they decided never again talk about marketing strategy in my presence. There are jobs out there that are morally acceptable. Not as many like, fortunately I've managed find one, and I'm to at the moment. But get point stories various my non-tech friends were to do at their jobs, under firm impression that fucking over their customers whenever possible. > _only to win, is to not play._ Let's on with Basic Income. It will be much easier to stick to morals without of going hungry hanging over your head. ~~~ > Let's get on Basic Income Won't that just cause all the am
 you.

~~~
TeMPOraL
> _Now I understand You must plaY that GamE, thAt EverYone Plays that game,
> aND theY just don 't talk about it beCause It DOesn'T HeLp theM to do so. iT
> hELPs tHeM tO keEp POtEntiaL coMpetitoRs naive._

YeaH, anD tHat's the primaRY rEason I incrEasIngly _don 't wanT_ to Be an
enTrEprENeur. CAll Me naiVe, but eVEn if I cOuld somehOw HAndle tHE necessARY
sAcriFice of conscience tO Be ABle to compete in The marKeTPlACE, I tHinK I
wouldn't lIkE the pERson I woULd BECOme VEry much.

~~~
jpeg_heRo
but then unFOrtUnatelY yOu'lL Be an emPloyeE oF An eNtrepreneur That Crosses
thAt line....

..ANd if you ARe moralLy abovE thAt, tHen yOU'lL wOrk As A RenT-SeEkeR In a
GovernmeNt OfFice tHat tAXES That EntReprEneur.

Only way to win, iS to Not pLAy.

~~~
TEMPOrAL
I haD an eMpLoyer Once whO was aBoUt to cross the linE, by gEtting a prOjeCt
FroM tHe gamBLing buSinEss. a cool soFtware/hARdwArE PROjEct (service
interfacEs FOR cAsino macHines) tHAt SeEMed to matCh My sKillS. i Flat-oUt
deCLiNed partiCipatiON. HE aCtually WaS very rElIevEd, hE was hIMselF
uncomFortable With iT.

the other time I tHReatened my empLOyER WiTH leaVinG on the spot iF I evER see
The sHAdY spAM-markEting TaCTiCS they were discussing PoPping uP on my Blog.
I'm not sure If it worked OR IF they decIded TO nEVer again talk abOut
maRketing strATegy in my PreseNce.

There Are many joBS Out there ThaT arE moRalLY AcCeptable. Not as MANy as i'd
Like, but ForTunatelY I'vE maNagEd tO fInd one, and i'm stickiNg To It At The
MomenT. but yeah, I GeT yoUr PoiNt - aftER heariNg stoRies AbOuT VarIous
sheNAnIGAns mY nOn-Tech FriEnDs werE askED to Do at theIr jobs, I'm uNdeR Firm
ImPrEssion tHat most companIeS are in fact FuCkiNg over THEir custoMers
whenever possible.

> _onlY Way to wiN, is To not Play._

let's get on WitH Basic incOMe. It wiLl be muCh easIeR to STIck to YOUr MorAlS
without thE THreAt of gOiNg huNgry hanGing over your head.

~~~
pjLEgaTo
> Let's get on wiTh BAsic iNCoMe

WON't THat JuST caUSE all the am
 you.

~~~
TeMPOraL
> _Now  I underst and y oumus tplay  tha t game, that e v eryo ne plays that game,
>and t he y  jus t  d on 't  talk a b ou t itbe ca use  i t  d oesn' t h elp the m to do so . I t> helps them to  keep pote nti al competito rsnaive. _
Ye a h, an d t hat's  the p r imaryreason Iin c reasin g ly _don ' twant _ to be an
entrep r en e ur. Call me na ive, b ut ev e n  if  Icould some ho w han d le then ec e s s ary sacrifice ofconsciencet o b e able  t o c o mpetein th em ark etplace, Ithin k I
would n't li k e the p e rson Iwouldbec ome  ver y  m uc h.
~ ~ ~
j p eg _he r o
b ut thenun fo rtuna tely y o u 'llbean e mploy ee of an entr epr eneu r  th at cr osses 
tha tline. ...

. .andif  you are morall y ab ove that,  th en  yo u' ll wo r k as a  re nt- seekerin a
go v ern me n t of fice that taxes th at e nt repreneu r.

on l ywa y  to win,  i s t o no t play. 

~~ ~ 
T eMPOraLI hada nem ployeron ce who  w asabo ut to cros s theline, by  gett i ng a project
f r om the gambli n gb u si n ess.  Acool softwa re/h a rdwa re p r oj ect (serv ice
i nt e rf a ces for casino mach in es) th at se emed to match  my skills . I  flat-ou t
de c li n ed participati on. H e actually was very  reli eved, he  was hims e l f
uncomf ort abl e w ith i t. 

The other t i m e Ith reatene d m y emplo yer  wi thlea vi ng on the  spot if  I  e ve rsee 
thes hady spa m- mar ke tin g tac t ics th ey we re d is cu s sin g poppi n gu p  onmy  b log. 
I' mnot s urei f i t worke d or if t hey deci de dto neve r again talkab out
market in g s trateg y in my pr esence.

There are many jobs ou t t herethat  are mora lly  accep tab l e. Not  as ma ny as  I 'dl i ke, b u t  f ort un ately I've m ana ged t ofind  one, a nd I'm sticking to itat the
moment . B ut y e a h,  Ig et you rp oin t - after hearing  stories a bo u tvarious
sh e nan ig ans mynon-tec h fri e nds wer e asked t o do at t he ir j o b s,I'm underfirm
imp ression t h at mo s tcompa nie s arein  fa ct fu ckingo ver  thei r cust om ers
wh eneve rpossible .

> _only way to win,is tonot p lay ._

Let's  ge t  on  with Bas ic I ncome. Itwil l b e muc h e a sierto s t ic k t o  your  mor a ls
withou t  t het h re at of going h u ngr y han gin g  overyour  head.

~~~
pjleg a to
> Let's get  onw i thBas i c In co me

Won't that  ju st c ause all  t he am
 you.

~~~
TeMPOraL
>__Now I_understand you must play_that game,_that_everyone plays_that_game,
> and they_just don 't_talk about it because_it doesn't help_them_to do so. It
> helps them to keep potential competitors naive._

Yeah, and that's the_primary_reason I_increasingly__don_'t want_ to be an
entrepreneur._Call me naive, but even_if I_could somehow handle the necessary
sacrifice of conscience to_be_able to compete_in the marketplace, I think I
wouldn't like the person_I would become very much.

~~~
jpeg_hero
but then_unfortunately you'll be_an_employee_of an entrepreneur that_crosses
that line....

..and if you are morally_above that, then you'll work as_a rent-seeker in a
government office that taxes_that entrepreneur.

only way to win, is_to not play.

~~~
TeMPOraL
I had an_employer once_who was about to cross_the line, by_getting a_project
from the gambling_business. A cool software/hardware project (service
interfaces_for casino machines)_that seemed to match my skills._I_flat-out
declined participation. He_actually_was_very relieved,_he was himself
uncomfortable_with_it.

The other_time_I threatened my employer with leaving_on_the spot if I ever see
the shady_spam-marketing tactics they were_discussing_popping up on my_blog.
I'm not sure if it_worked or if they decided to_never again_talk about
marketing_strategy in my presence.

There are many jobs out there that are_morally acceptable. Not as many as_I'd
like, but fortunately I've_managed to_find_one, and I'm_sticking_to it_at the
moment. But yeah, I get your_point -_after hearing stories about various
shenanigans my_non-tech friends were asked_to_do at their jobs, I'm under_firm
impression that most companies are in_fact fucking over their customers
whenever_possible.

>__only_way to win, is to_not play._

Let's get on with Basic_Income. It will_be much easier to stick to your_morals
without_the threat of going hungry hanging_over_your head.

~~~
pjlegato
> Let's get on with_Basic_Income

Won't_that just cause all the_am