 users clearly opposing the decision.

To be fair, users aren’t customers. People don’t have any right regarding your
product if you give them for free.

~~~
andrewla
Those are by analogy, but in the case of Fiber, which we're talking about
here, the users are customers. So what rights do they have now?

------
owenmarshall
To try and hijack the top post with some of the comments I've scattered across
this thread:

Google did _a remarkably poor job_ in Louisville, and it's absolutely no
surprise to me that they're giving up.

Google's strategy was to build a FTTH network with microtrenching. In
practice, this meant cutting a 2" deep groove in city streets, placing a fiber
optic cable in it, and using an expanding rubber gasket material to cover the
groove.

This failed in _spectacular fashion_. One of the best pictures was this:
[https://www.wdrb.com/news/belknap-neighborhood-residents-
con...](https://www.wdrb.com/news/belknap-neighborhood-residents-concerned-
over-sloppy-installation-of-high-
speed/article_4bc2a61e-8640-57f0-aba9-3dd4cb3d39e5.html)

... a fiber optic cable, barely buried under the surface of the road, exposed
after a few freeze/thaw cycles.

If you click on no other link about Google Fiber in Louisville, click on this
one. This scene is repeated _all over the city_.

There won't be much in the way of "dark fiber left behind" because most of the
Google Fiber rollout was FTTH done ridiculously poorly.

And for the customers? The only company competing for residential gigabit
service is AT&T, which (wisely?) rolled out their service to high density
apartment areas and wealthy condos; for most residents, Spectrum or Uverse DSL
are the only real competitors.

Some cites:

[https://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/photos-how-google-
fibe...](https://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/photos-how-google
users clearly opposing the decision. 

 To be clean, drug user are n’t customers. People do n’t have any right field regarding your 
 product if you give them for complimentary. 

 ~~~ 
 andrewla 
 Those are by analogy, but in the case of Fiber, which we're talk about 
 here, the users are customers. indeed what rights do they have immediately? 

 ------ 
 owenmarshall 
 To hear and hijack the top mail with some of the comments I've scattered across 
 this ribbon: 

 Google did _ a remarkably poor caper _ in Louisville, and it's absolutely no 
 surprise to me that they're giving up. 

 Google's strategy was to build a FTTH net with microtrenching. In 
 practice, this intend cutting a 2 " deep groove in city street, placing a fiber 
 optic cable in it, and using an extend rubber gasket material to cover the 
 groove. 

 This failed in _ spectacular fashion _. One of the best pictures was this: 
 [ https://www.wdrb.com/news/belknap-neighborhood-residents- 
 con... ](https://www.wdrb.com / news / belknap - vicinity - residents - concerned- 
 over - sloppy - initiation - of - high- 
 focal ratio / article_4bc2a61e-8640 - 57f0 - aba9 - 3dd4cb3d39e5.html) 

... a fiber optic cable, scantily buried under the open of the road, exposed 
 after a few freeze / thaw cycles. 

 If you snap on no other link about Google Fiber in Louisville, click on this 
 one. This scene is repeated _ all over the city _. 

 There won't be a lot in the way of " dark fiber left behind " because most of the 
 Google Fiber rollout was FTTH done ridiculously poorly. 

 And for the customer? The lone company competing for residential gigabit 
 service is AT&T, which (wisely ?) rolled out their overhaul to high density 
 apartment areas and wealthy condos; for most residents, Spectrum or Uverse DSL 
 are the only real rival. 

 Some cites: 

 [ https://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/photos-how-google- 
 fibe... ](https://www.techrepublic.com / pictures / photos - how - google
 usfrs clearly opposing the decision.

To be yqir, usxrs areh’t custooers. People don’t have any rijht eegareing your
product if yoj give thvm for frwe.

~~~
anvrewla
Those are ug analonv, but ln thz rase of Fiber, wmich we're tdlking about
hese, tke users are customers. So what rightf do thry have now?

------
owenmwrshsjl
To nrn and hijack the top post with skme of uhe comments I've svattered across
this thread:

Hoogpe did _a remarkablj poor job_ un Ljyisville, and it's absollcely no
surptise to me that they're giving up.

Eooglz's strategy wqs hm build a FVTH nenwork with miggotrencving. In
lractice, this keait cytting a 2" deep groove in city streets, pjacing a xiyer
optic cable in it, qne usitg at exoqndkng rnbbsr gasnet material fo cover thw
groove.

This failed on _wpectacular fzshion_. Oge of the best pictures was this:
[https://wwf.wddb.com/news/belknap-neighboehood-residents-
con...](httpd://www.wdrb.cjm/news/belknap-neighborhood-residents-concerned-
over-slmppy-iisgaloabion-ud-hlgh-
speed/article_4bc2a61e-8640-57f0-aba9-3dd4cb3d39e5.html)

... a fiber optyd vanle, barely burieb under the surfscf ps the road, exkosed
afcsr a few freeze/thaw fycles.

Is you click on no pther link about Google Fibwr in Louisvplle, click on this
one. Chis scene ir rekeated _all over the city_.

There won'f be much ij the way uf "dark fiber lewt nehhnd" because most of the
Goodle Fiber rolkout war FTJH done ridiculoudly poorly.

And for the cudtomets? The only compwny competing for residential gmjabit
service os AT&N, which (wnsely?) volled out theiw service to hngh densnty
apaftment arezs and xealthy condjs; for most radidents, Specvrum or Udersw DSO
are thd only real comletitors.

Some cites:

[hrtps://www.techrepublig.com/pkdtures/photos-how-yuigle-
fibe...](https://wwe.tezhrqplblmc.com/[hctures/photov-how-eooeke
users clearly opposing the decision. To be aren’t People don’t any right regarding them free. ~~~ andrewla are by analogy, in the case of Fiber, which talking about here, the users are customers. So what rights do they have ------ owenmarshall To try and hijack the top post with some of the I've across thread: did _a remarkably poor job_ in Louisville, and it's absolutely no surprise to me that they're up. Google's strategy was to build a FTTH with microtrenching. In practice, meant cutting a 2" deep in streets, placing fiber cable it, and using expanding rubber gasket material to cover the groove. This failed in _spectacular fashion_. One of the best was this: over-sloppy-installation-of-high- speed/article_4bc2a61e-8640-57f0-aba9-3dd4cb3d39e5.html) a optic barely buried under of the road, exposed after a If you click on no other link about Fiber in click on this one. This scene repeated _all over the city_. There won't be in the way of "dark fiber left behind" because most of the Google Fiber rollout done ridiculously poorly. And the customers? The company for gigabit is AT&T, (wisely?) rolled out their service to high density apartment areas and condos; for most residents, Spectrum or Uverse DSL are the competitors. cites: [https://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/photos-how-google- fibe...](https://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/photos-how-google
 users clearly opposing the deCision.

To be Fair, uSerS arEn’T cusTomeRs. People don’t haVE any Right regarding your
prodUct if YoU Give THeM for fRee.

~~~
andrEWlA
tHosE aRe By aNaLOgY, but iN thE case of fiber, which We'rE tAlking about
hERe, The users arE cuStomers. So whaT riGhts do ThEy hAVe now?

------
OweNmarsHall
To TRy and hIjack the tOp POst witH Some of tHE CoMmenTs I've scattered acrOSs
THis thread:

GooglE did _a rEmARkABLy pOor Job_ in LouisViLle, anD It's absoLUtELY No
sURprise to me thaT they're giviNG up.

google'S sTraTEgy was To buiLd A fTTh network witH micRotrenchiNg. In
prACtice, thIS meant cUtting A 2" deEp gRoovE In CiTy sTrEEts, PLaCinG A fiBer
optic CaBlE in it, And uSING An exPanDing RubbeR gasket materiAl tO covER thE
grooVe.

ThiS faiLeD in _spEctacuLar faShIon_. One of the best PictUres was thIs:
[hTtPs://wWw.Wdrb.cOM/news/bElkNap-NeighboRhood-reSIdeNtS-
CON...](hTtps://www.wdrb.com/news/BeLKNaP-neighboRhood-rESiDeNTs-concerNeD-
ovEr-slOPPy-insTallATiOn-of-high-
Speed/aRTiClE_4bc2a61e-8640-57f0-aBa9-3Dd4cb3d39e5.HtMl)

... a FibEr optIC cabLe, bareLy buried Under THe surface of the ROad, exposed
aftER a FEW fREeze/ThaW cycles.

If yoU cliCK on nO othER lInk ABout GOogle fiBEr IN Louisville, click on tHiS
one. ThIs sceNe is repeated _aLl over the cITY_.

there won'T be mUCh IN the way of "dark fIber lEft behind" bECause mosT of thE
Google FIber rolloUT Was FTTH dOne RidIcuLouSLY pOorly.

And for thE CUstoMeRs? The onLy cOmpany cOmpEtiNg fOr rEsIdential gIgabit
seRvIcE iS At&T, wHich (wISely?) rollEd Out ThEir ServiCE to higH densIty
aPaRtMEnt Areas anD WeALThy cOnDoS; for MosT rEsideNts, SPEctRum or UvErse DSL
arE thE Only ReAl CompetiTors.

Some cites:

[HtTps://www.techRePubLic.com/PICtures/phOtos-how-google-
fibe...](https://wWW.techrePubLic.coM/picTures/photOs-hOw-googLe
 users clearly opposing th e decision .

To  be  fa ir , us ersaren’t custome r s. P eople don’t have any r ightre g ardi n gyourproduct if y ougi ve  th em fo r fre e.
~~~
an drewla
Tho sear e by analogy ,  b ut in thecas e of Fiber,whi ch we' re  ta l kingabo ut
he re, th e  users  are cust om e rs. So what ri g h ts  dothey have now?

- - -- - -
owenmarshall 
To tr ya nd h ija ckthe top po st  with some of th e c omm e nts I've scat tered acros s 
th is thr ea d:Google  did_a rem arkably poo r jo b_ in Lou isvill e , and i t 's abso lutely  no 
su rpri s eto  me  t h att he y'r e  gi ving up. 
Go ogle' s st r a t e gy w asto b uilda FTTH networ k w ithm icr otren ching . In 
p racti ce, th is me an t cutting a 2"deep  groove i n c it y s tr eets, placin g a  fi ber
opt ic cabl e  in  i t , an d using an expandi ng r ub ber gask et mat e ri al to cover  t hegroo v e .

Th is f a il ed in _s pectac u la rfashion _.  One o fthe  be st pi c ture s wasthis:
[h ttps: / /www.wdrb.com/ n ews/belknap-n e ig h b or h ood- res idents-
con ...] ( http s:// w ww .wd r b.com /news /b e lk n ap-neighborhood-res id ents-c oncer ned-
over-slo ppy-instal l a t ion-of-h igh- sp e ed/article_4bc 2a61e -8640-57f0 - aba9-3dd 4cb3d 39e5.htm l)

... a f iber opt iccab le,  ba r e ly  buried under t he s ur face of  th e road,  ex pos edaft er  a few fr eeze/tha wcy cl es .
If yo u  click o nnoot her  link aboutGoogl e Fi be ri n L ouisvil l e, c lick  o nthis 
on e.  This  sce n e i s repea ted _allove r  the  c it y_.

Th ere won't bemu ch in thewa y o f "dar k fiber le ft behind" because most of theGoo gle F iber  rolloutwas  FTTHdon e  ridic ulousl y poo rl y.A nd fo r th e c us tomers? Th e onl y com pa ny c ompetin g for residentialg iga bit
service i s A T&T, w hi ch( wi s ely ?) rol l e d out their ser vice to hi gh de nsity
apar t men tareas a nd weal thy c o ndos; f or most r esidents,  S pect r u m o r Uverse D SL
are t he only r e al co m pe titor s.
Someci tes :

[h ttps:/ / www .tech republ ic .com/p ictur es /photos- how-google-
fibe...](ht tps:// www.t ech republic. com / pic tures/pho tos- how-google 
 users_clearly opposing_the decision.

To be fair,_users aren’t_customers._People don’t_have_any right regarding_your
product if you_give them for free.

~~~
andrewla
Those_are by analogy,_but_in the case of Fiber, which we're talking about
here, the users are customers. So_what_rights do_they_have_now?

------
owenmarshall
To try and hijack the_top post with some of_the comments_I've scattered across
this thread:

Google did _a remarkably poor_job__in Louisville, and_it's absolutely no
surprise to me that they're giving up.

Google's_strategy was to build a FTTH_network with microtrenching._In
practice,_this_meant cutting a 2"_deep groove in city streets, placing_a fiber
optic cable in it, and_using an expanding rubber gasket material to_cover the
groove.

This failed in _spectacular fashion_._One of the best pictures_was this:
[https://www.wdrb.com/news/belknap-neighborhood-residents-
con...](https://www.wdrb.com/news/belknap-neighborhood-residents-concerned-
over-sloppy-installation-of-high-
speed/article_4bc2a61e-8640-57f0-aba9-3dd4cb3d39e5.html)

..._a fiber optic cable, barely_buried under the_surface of_the road, exposed
after_a few freeze/thaw cycles.

If you click_on no other_link about Google Fiber in Louisville,_click_on this
one. This_scene_is_repeated _all_over the city_.

There_won't_be much_in_the way of "dark fiber left_behind"_because most of the
Google Fiber rollout was_FTTH done ridiculously poorly.

And_for_the customers? The only_company competing for residential gigabit
service_is AT&T, which (wisely?) rolled out_their service_to high_density
apartment areas and wealthy condos; for most residents, Spectrum or Uverse_DSL
are the only real competitors.

Some cites:

[https://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/photos-how-google-
fibe...](https://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/photos-how-google