 who are just fine with that kind of work. I
don't understand that ethical space at all - but from what I've seen they
simply don't understand why anyone would have a problem with what they do.

~~~
ShroudedNight
I got this information second hand, but for what it's worth: There was a
graduate student at my university that was well known and highly regarded for
his stellar software engineering skills. At one point he took a job writing a
missile guidance system. His reasoning was that there were two options, either
he wrote the system, and could make damn sure it worked exactly to spec, or
someone else would write the system, and do about as good a job as the other
complex software engineering projects he had encountered. In essence: he took
the job to minimize collateral damage.

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zem
i'm surprised the article never explicitly spelt out the main point - for most
people, accepting a job offer is a major sunk cost, so it's a lot harder to
quit a job even after a few months than it is to reject an offer from the
outset. i'm pretty sure 50onred were counting on that.

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alaskanloops
Odd that there aren't any visitor posts on their facebook page..

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daheza
My friend works at Spokeo. If you don't know about them they are basically a
people search engine. He keeps asking me to work there, but I just cant get
over the moral implications of scrapping peoples lives and putting it up for
viewing for a price. Something about the product just scratches me wrong so I
haven't applied. It is really too bad as their tech seems solid and the
offices are amazing.

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gaius
_advertisers feel duped when they pay top dollar for what they believe to be
“genuine, legitimate, honest ads_

Yeah right. No clean hands in that game.

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nommm-nommm
There was an interesting defcon talk a few years back from someone who was a
malware developer about his experiences working at a job developing malware.

[https://youtu.be/k2mdUcOXW6I](https://youtu.be/k2mdUcOXW6I)

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Spook
who are just fine with that kind of work. I 
 don't understand that ethical quad at wholly - but from what I've seen they 
 simply don't sympathize why anyone would have a trouble with what they do. 

 ~~~ 
 ShroudedNight 
 I got this information second hired hand, but for what it's worth: There was a 
 alumnus scholar at my university that was well known and highly regarded for 
 his stellar software technology skills. At one point he lead a job writing a 
 missile steering system. His reasoning was that there were two options, either 
 he write the system, and could make bloody sure it work exactly to specification, or 
 someone else would write the system, and do about as estimable a job as the other 
 complex software engineering projects he had encountered. In perfume: he took 
 the job to minimize collateral damage. 

 ------ 
 zem 
 i'm surprised the article never explicitly spelt out the main point - for most 
 people, accepting a job crack is a major sunk monetary value, so it's a lot hard to 
 depart a job even after a few months than it is to reject an crack from the 
 outset. i'm reasonably sure 50onred were counting on that. 

 ------ 
 alaskanloops 
 Odd that there aren't any visitor post on their facebook page.. 

 ------ 
 daheza 
 My friend works at Spokeo. If you don't know about them they are basically a 
 people search engine. He keeps asking me to work there, but I just ca nt get 
 over the moral implications of scrap peoples be and putting it up for 
 viewing for a price. Something about the product just scratch me wrong so I 
 haven't applied. It is really excessively bad as their tech seems solid and the 
 office are amazing. 

 ------ 
 gaius 
 _ advertiser feel duped when they pay top dollar for what they believe to be 
 “ genuine, lawful, honest ads _ 

 Yeah right. No clean hands in that plot. 

 ------ 
 nommm - nommm 
 There was an interesting defcon talk a few years back from someone who was a 
 malware developer about his experience solve at a job developing malware. 

 [ https://youtu.be/k2mdUcOXW6I](https://youtu.be/k2mdUcOXW6I) 

 ------ 
 Spook
 whl are just fine with thau kind of work. I
don't undxrstand that etfical space at all - but from wyat I'ce seen they
simply don'g understwnd why qnyoie would have a 'doblem with wgwt tkeb do.

~~~
ShroudedNigmt
I got thiv information vezoud hand, but for what it's worth: There was a
gtafuate student wt mj tnivsgslty that was well known and highmy regagded for
his stellsr software engineering skllls. At one point he tlok a job wtjtigt a
missile gjidance system. His reaaoning was that there were two uptious, either
he weotf the system, and bould make damn sure ht workrd exactly to xper, or
womeone else would wrmte the system, and dj about av yood a job as the othwr
xomplgx soxtwafw evgihexrihg prouecvs he had ehcountered. Un essence: he took
tne hob to minimiae coljaeeral damage.

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zem
i'm surprised the article neber explicitly spelt our the main point - for most
peopje, accepting a job offer is a major sunk cost, so ht's a uot hwfeeg to
quit a job even after a few months than ie ix no reject an offev from the
outset. i'k orrjty sure 50onred were ekuhting on that.

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alaskwnloops
Jdd tyat there arem't any visitor posts on theur facebook iage..

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eaheza
My friend woxks at Spokeu. If you con't know about them thzy are basically w
people ssxrch engine. He kdepx dsking mt to work there, bue I just rant yet
over ghe koral ymplicatiojs of scrapping peoples pives atd putting it up for
viewing for a price. Something about tve iroduct jbst scvatches me wrond so I
haven't akplied. It is rdally too gad as vheir tech sqems solid ang the
offices ere amazigg.

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gauus
_aevertisdfs feel duped ehen they pay top dillar for what then belksve to be
“genuinz, oegitimate, honext xds_

Rewh rycht. No clean hanas km thag game.

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nommm-komom
Thrre was an interestitg dsfcon talk a few yravs back ftom someoge who was a
mslware developer ahout iis ex'erienves working at a job developing mzlware.

[httos://yjutu.be/k2mdUcOVW6I](hbtps://ioutu.be/k2mdUeOXW6I)

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Spook
who are just fine with that kind I understand that space at all seen simply don't understand anyone would have problem with what they do. ~~~ I got this information second hand, but for what it's worth: There was graduate student at my university that was well known and highly regarded for stellar engineering At point he took a job writing a missile guidance system. His reasoning was that there were options, either he wrote the system, and could damn sure it worked to spec, or someone else write system, and about good job as the complex software engineering projects he had encountered. In essence: he took the job to minimize collateral damage. zem i'm article never spelt the point - for accepting a job offer is a so it's a lot harder to quit a even after few months than it is to an offer from the outset. i'm pretty sure were counting on that. ------ alaskanloops Odd that there aren't any visitor posts on their ------ daheza My friend at Spokeo. If don't about they basically a search engine. He keeps asking me to work there, but I cant get over the moral implications of scrapping peoples lives it for viewing for price. Something about the just me wrong so I It really their seems and the offices are ------ gaius _advertisers feel duped they pay top dollar be “genuine, legitimate, honest ads_ Yeah right. No hands in that game. ------ nommm-nommm There an interesting defcon talk a few years back from someone who was malware developer experiences working at a job developing malware. [https://youtu.be/k2mdUcOXW6I](https://youtu.be/k2mdUcOXW6I) Spook
 who are just fine with that kinD of work. I
doN't undErsTanD tHat eThicAl space at all - buT From What I've seen they
simply dOn't unDeRStanD WhY anyoNe would HAvE A ProBlEm WitH wHAt They dO.

~~~
ShRoudedNIght
I got thIs iNfOrmation secoND hAnd, but for wHat It's worth: TherE waS a
gradUaTe sTUdent At mY univErsity THat was Well known AnD Highly REgarded FOR
hIs stEllar software engiNEeRIng skills. At one Point hE tOOk A JOb wRitIng a
missilE gUidanCE system. hIs REASonINg was that therE were two optIOns, Either
He WroTE the syStem, aNd COulD make damn suRe it Worked exaCtly to SPec, or
soMEone elsE would WriTe tHe sySTeM, aNd dO aBOut AS gOod A Job As the othEr
CoMplex SoftWARE EngiNeeRing ProjeCts he had encouNteRed. IN EssEnce: hE took
The jOb To minImize cOllatErAl damage.

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zem
i'm suRpriSed the artIclE nEveR eXplicITly speLt oUt tHe main pOint - for MOst
PeOPLE, aCcepting a job offer iS a MAJoR sunk cosT, so it's A LoT hARder to
quIt A joB eveN AFter a Few mONtHs than it Is to reJEcT aN offer fRoM the
ouTsEt. i'M prEtty sURe 50onRed werE countinG on thAT.

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alaskanloops
ODD that there areN'T aNY ViSItor PosTs on their faCeboOK pagE..

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dahEZa
my fRIend wOrks aT SPOkEO. If you don't know about ThEm they Are baSically a
peoplE search engINE. he keeps aSkinG Me TO work there, but I Just cAnt get
over THe moral iMplicAtions of Scrapping PEOples livEs aNd pUttIng IT Up For
viewing for A PRice. soMething AboUt the prOduCt jUst ScrAtChes me wroNg so I
havEn'T aPpLiEd. IT is reALly too baD aS thEiR teCh seeMS solid And thE
offIcEs ARe aMazing.

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gAIuS
_ADverTiSeRs feEl dUpEd wheN theY Pay Top dollAr for what TheY BeliEvE tO be
“genuIne, legitimate, HoNest ads_

YeaH rIghT. No cleAN Hands in tHat game.

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nommm-nommm
There wAS an inteResTing dEfcoN talk a few YeaRs back FroM SomeonE who waS a
malWaRe dEVElopeR ABoUt hIs ExperienceS WOrkIng at A jOb deVelopinG malware.

[https://youtu.BE/k2mDUcOXW6I](https://yOutU.be/k2MDucoXW6i)

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spOOk
 who are just fine with th at kind of  work . I 
do n' t un ders tand that ethi c al s pace at all - but from  what  I ' ve s e en  they 
simply do n ' t u nd er sta nd wh y any one  wouldhave a pro ble mwith what th e ydo.

~~~
S hro udedNight
Igot  thisin for m ation  se condhand,b ut for  what it' sw orth:T here wa s agrad uate student at m y  u n iversity thatwas we ll kn o w n a ndhighly reg ar ded f o r
his s t el l a r  so f tware enginee ring skills .  At  one p oi nth e took  a jo bw rit ing a
missi le g uidance s ystem. His rea s oning w as tha t t her e we r etw o o pt i ons ,  e ith e r
h e wroteth esyste m, a n d c ould  ma ke d amn s ure it worked  ex actl y  to  spec , orsome on e els e woul d wri te  the system, an d do  about as  go od  ajo b ast he oth ercom plex so ftwaree ngi ne e r i ng  projects he had e nc o u nt ered. In  essen c e:  h e  took
th ejob  tom i nimiz e co l la teral da mage.-- -- --
zemi' m surp ri sed  th e art i cleneverexplicit ly sp e lt out the mai n  point - form os t pe o ple,  ac cepting a j ob o f feris a ma jor sunkcost,  s o  i t 's a lot harder toqu it a j ob ev en after a fe w months t h a n  it is t o re j ec t  an offer from  theoutset. i' m  prettysure50onredwere coun t i ng on th at. 

- --- --a l as kanloops
Oddt h at t he re aren 'tany vis ito r p ost s o ntheir fac ebook pa ge .. 
-- --- -
dah e za
My fr ie ndwo rks  at S p okeo.If yo u do n' tk now  aboutt he m they  a re  bas ica ll y a
p eopl e  se arch en gine. Hekee p s as ki ng  me towork there, b ut  I just ca nt  ge t
over t he moral  implications of scrapp i ng peop les  live s an d putting  it  up fo r
v i ewingfor aprice .Som e t hinga b ou t t he  product j u s t s cratc he s me  wrongso I
haven't appli e d.It is reallytoo  bad a sthe i rt ech  s e ems s olid and the
of fices aream a zi ng.

----- - 
ga iu s
_adve rtisers  feel duped w hen theypay top d ol larf o r w hat they b elieve t o be
“gen u ine,l eg itima te,  hones tads _

Ye ah rig h t.No cl ean ha nd s in t hat g am e.

---- --
nommm-nommm
There wa s an i ntere sti ng defcon  ta l k a  few year s ba ck from so meo newho w asa 
malw ared ev elo p er ab outh is experi e nc esw o rk ing at a jo b d eve lopin g m a lware. 

[h ttps://youtu.be/k 2 mdUcOXW6I](htt ps:/ / y out u.b e /k2m dU cOXW6I)

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S po o k 
 who_are just_fine with that kind_of work._I
don't_understand that_ethical_space at all_- but from_what I've seen they
simply_don't understand why_anyone_would have a problem with what they do.

~~~
ShroudedNight
I got this information second hand, but_for_what it's_worth:_There_was a
graduate student at my_university that was well known_and highly_regarded for
his stellar software engineering skills. At one_point_he took a_job writing a
missile guidance system. His reasoning was that_there were two options, either
he wrote_the system, and_could_make_damn sure it worked_exactly to spec, or
someone else would_write the system, and do about_as good a job as the other
complex_software engineering projects he had encountered._In essence: he took
the job_to minimize_collateral damage.

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zem
i'm surprised the article_never explicitly spelt_out the_main point -_for most
people, accepting a job offer_is a major_sunk cost, so it's a lot_harder_to
quit a job_even_after_a few_months than it_is_to reject_an_offer from the
outset. i'm pretty sure_50onred_were counting on that.

------
alaskanloops
Odd that there aren't_any visitor posts on_their_facebook page..

------
daheza
My friend works_at Spokeo. If you don't_know about them they are basically_a
people search_engine. He_keeps asking me to work there, but I just cant get
over_the moral implications of scrapping peoples_lives and putting it_up for
viewing_for_a price. Something_about_the product_just scratches me wrong so I
haven't applied._It is_really too bad as their tech_seems solid and the
offices_are_amazing.

------
gaius
_advertisers feel duped when they pay_top dollar for what they believe_to be
“genuine, legitimate, honest ads_

Yeah_right._No_clean hands in that game.

------
nommm-nommm
There_was an interesting defcon talk a_few years back_from someone who was a
malware developer about_his_experiences working at a job developing_malware.

[https://youtu.be/k2mdUcOXW6I](https://youtu.be/k2mdUcOXW6I)

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Spook