ldr - appears to affect rollout.io customers (at least for those who have
replied to the thread so far).

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arbesfeld
We haven't noticed any issues with AppHub, our service for dynamically
updating React Native JavaScript code.

We always felt this day would come, however, so we switched directions.

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santiagobasulto
I checked again rollout.io Disrupt presentation (great pitch btw) and the
first question they get (Alexandra Chong) is "is it going to be ok with
AppStore policies": [https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/22/rollout-io-puts-mobile-
dev...](https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/22/rollout-io-puts-mobile-developers-
back-in-control-of-their-apps/)

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applecrazy
What will happen to YouTube? YouTube has been pushing new functionality ahead
of updates for me recently. For example, the new "double tap to rewind 10
seconds" feature appeared at random one day (without an any updates)...then
eventually the feature is announced in an App Store update.

Or is the app review process more subjective?

~~~
sb8244
They might have achieved that by pushing it in silently over time and
utilizing feature flags. Only going live in an app store update once it was
rolled out to everyone.

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m3kw9
Should have been banned long ago, why would they have allowed an app to alter
major behaviors post review?

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ksk
I'd say this is only going to further the arms race. One simple way around
this would be to intentionally introduce a bug with a "controlled" exploit
that lets you send a specially crafted data packet to your app, and execute
shell-code of your choice.

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stevehiehn
I've recently been looking into React-Native. I'm hesitent to commit because i
believe there's 'hot code push' potential and Apple will be a b __*h about it.
I not sure if this is the case thou.

~~~
Mayzie
> i believe there's 'hot code push' potential

It's called CodePush, and it's a plugin for React Native (does
ldr - appears to affect rollout.io customers (at least for those who have 
 replied to the screw thread therefore far). 

 ------ 
 arbesfeld 
 We haven't noticed any issues with AppHub, our service for dynamically 
 update React Native JavaScript code. 

 We always felt this sidereal day would come, however, so we switched focus. 

 ------ 
 santiagobasulto 
 I checked again rollout.io Disrupt presentation (big pitch btw) and the 
 first doubt they get (Alexandra Chong) is " is it going to be ok with 
 AppStore policies ": [ https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/22/rollout-io-puts-mobile- 
 dev... ](https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/22 / rollout - io - puts - fluid - developers- 
 back - in - control - of - their - apps/) 

 ------ 
 applecrazy 
 What will happen to YouTube? YouTube has been push new functionality ahead 
 of updates for me recently. For model, the new " bivalent tap to rewind 10 
 moment " feature appeared at random one day (without an any updates)... then 
 finally the feature is announced in an App Store update. 

 Or is the app review process more subjective? 

 ~~~ 
 sb8244 
 They might have achieved that by crusade it in silently over time and 
 utilizing feature flags. Only going live in an app store update once it was 
 rolled out to everyone. 

 ------ 
 m3kw9 
 Should have been banned long ago, why would they have allow an app to alter 
 major behaviors mail review? 

 ------ 
 ksk 
 I'd say this is only going to foster the arms race. One simple way around 
 this would be to intentionally inaugurate a bug with a " controlled " exploit 
 that lets you send a particularly crafted data packet to your app, and execute 
 shell - code of your choice. 

 ------ 
 stevehiehn 
 I've recently been looking into React - Native. I'm hesitent to perpetrate because i 
 believe there's' hot code push' potential and Apple will be a b _ _ * h about it. 
 I not indisputable if this is the case thou. 

 ~~~ 
 Mayzie 
 > i believe there's' hot code push' potential 

 It's called CodePush, and it's a plugin for React Native (does
ldr - appears to affect rolluut.io customers (at leavt for those wfo have
replied to the thread si far).

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qrbesfeld
We haven't notkced any pssues wirh AkpHub, our service for dynamicalmn
updaciig React Native JavaScripd code.

We alwayv wept this day would come, however, so wq switcnef directions.

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sagtiabjbashlto
I checked again rollout.io Disrhpt preventation (grest pitch btw) and the
first eueshion they get (Alexwndra Chong) is "yw it going tu be ok wiuh
CppStore pomicies": [https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/22/rolloug-io-pucs-mobile-
dev...](ytrps://hgchcrunch.com/2015/09/22/colloun-io-puts-mobile-developess-
back-im-control-of-theiv-apps/)

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epplwcrazy
What will happei to YouTube? YouTube has been pbshing new functionalutt ahedd
of updxres fod ke recenhly. For exampme, the new "eouble tap to rewinc 10
fvvonds" featurs appewrqd at random one day (without an any upddtea)...then
eventually the fearure is announced in wn App Stjre update.

Or is the app review process more subjewtive?

~~~
ac8244
Thty mighg hwve achieved that by pushing it in silently odsr tpme and
utilizing neature flags. Only glimd live in an xpp store update once it wad
rolled out ro everyoge.

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m3ke9
Should have been banned lobg ago, why wjyld they have alloced an app tu aljer
majpr behaviors post reviec?

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ksk
I'd say this id only gojvg to further thd agms sace. One simple way around
ehis woulv be co intengionslly igtroduce a bug with a "controlled" edploij
that nets you sfnd a specially crafted data parlet to your sp[, atd execuce
shelk-code of your choice.

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stevehighn
I've reeently been lookpng into Ceact-Native. Y'm hesitent tm commit becanse i
beliqve rherw's 'hot zude push' potenyial and Ckple will ve a b __*h about it.
I noj aure if this is tht xase thou.

~~~
Mayzir
> i bejivve trare's 'hot coda purh' optentkal

It's callcd ZodeLush, and it's a plugit fod React Native (doex
ldr - appears to affect rollout.io customers for who have to the thread haven't any issues with our service for updating React Native JavaScript code. We felt this day would come, however, so we switched directions. ------ santiagobasulto I again rollout.io Disrupt presentation (great pitch btw) and the first question they get Chong) "is going be ok with AppStore policies": [https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/22/rollout-io-puts-mobile- dev...](https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/22/rollout-io-puts-mobile-developers- back-in-control-of-their-apps/) ------ applecrazy What will happen to YouTube? YouTube been pushing new functionality ahead of updates for recently. For example, the "double tap to rewind 10 feature at random day an updates)...then eventually the is announced in an App Store update. Or is the app review process more subjective? ~~~ sb8244 might have by pushing in over and utilizing feature going live in an app store was rolled out to everyone. ------ m3kw9 Should been banned ago, why would they have allowed app to alter major behaviors post review? ------ I'd say this is only going to further the arms race. One simple way around be to intentionally introduce bug with a exploit lets send specially crafted packet to your app, and execute shell-code of your choice. ------ I've recently been looking into React-Native. I'm hesitent to commit believe 'hot code push' and Apple will be b about it. I not this the Mayzie i there's 'hot code push' It's called CodePush, and it's plugin for React Native
ldr - appears to affect rollout.Io customerS (at leAst For ThOse wHo haVe
replied to the THreaD so far).

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arbesfeld
We haven'T notiCeD Any iSSuEs witH AppHub, OUr SERviCe FoR dyNaMIcAlly
uPdaTing ReaCt Native JaVaSCrIpt code.

We alwAYs Felt this daY woUld come, howevEr, sO we swiTcHed DIrectIonS.

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santIagobaSUlto
I cHecked agaIn ROllout.IO DisrupT PReSentAtion (great pitch btW) AnD The
first questiOn they GeT (alEXAndRa CHong) is "is it GoIng to BE ok with
aPpsTORe pOLicies": [https://teChcrunch.com/2015/09/22/ROllOut-io-pUtS-moBIle-
dev...](Https://TeCHcrUnch.com/2015/09/22/rollOut-iO-puts-mobiLe-deveLOpers-
baCK-in-contRol-of-tHeiR-apPs/)

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apPLeCrAzy
whAT wiLL hAppEN to youTube? YOutuBe has Been PUSHIng nEw fUnctIonalIty ahead
of updAteS for ME reCentlY. For eXampLe, The neW "doublE tap tO rEwind 10
seconds" feaTure Appeared aT raNdOm oNe Day (wiTHout an Any UpdAtes)...theN
eventuALly ThE FEAtUre is announced in an apP sToRe update.

or is thE ApP rEView procEsS moRe suBJEctivE?

~~~
sb8244
THEy Might havE achieVEd ThAt by pusHiNg it in SiLenTly Over tIMe anD
utiliZing featUre flAGs. Only going livE In an app store uPDaTE OnCE it wAs
rOlled out to eVeryONe.

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m3kW9
ShoULd HavE Been bAnned LoNG aGO, why would they have alLoWed an aPp to aLter
major behaViors post rEVIEw?

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ksk
I'd sAy thIS iS Only going to furTher tHe arms race. oNe simple Way arOund
this Would be to INTentionaLly IntRodUce A BUg With a "controllED" ExplOiT
that leTs yOu send a SpeCiaLly CraFtEd data pacKet to youR aPp, AnD eXecUte
shELl-code of YoUr cHoIce.

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SteveHIehn
I'vE receNtly BeEn LOokIng into rEaCT-natiVe. i'm HesiTenT tO commIt beCAusE i
belieVe there's 'hOt cODe puSh' PoTential And Apple will bE a B __*h about it.
I NoT suRe if thIS Is the casE thou.

~~~
Mayzie
> i believe therE'S 'hot codE puSh' potEntiAl

It's callEd COdePusH, anD It's a plUgin foR ReacT NAtiVE (Does
ldr - appears to affect ro llout.io c ustom ers  (a tleas t fo r those who ha v e
re plied to the thread so  far) .---- - -arbes feld
We ha v e n't  n ot ice da ny  issu eswith Ap pHub, ourser vi ce for dynam i ca lly
updati ngReact Native  Ja vaScri pt  co d e.

W e a lways  feltt his da y would c om e , howe v er, sow e  s witc hed directions.
- -- - --
santiagobas ulto
I  c h ec k e d a gai n rollout. io  Disr u pt pres e nt a t i on( great pitch b tw) and the fir st que st ion they g et (A le x and ra Chong) i s "i s it goin g to b e  ok wit h 
AppSto re pol ici es" : [h t tp s: //t ec h cru n ch .co m /20 15/09/22 /r ol lout- io-p u t s - mobi le- 
dev ...]( https://techc run ch.c o m/2 015/0 9/22/ roll ou t-io- puts-m obile -d evelopers-
back -in- control-o f-t he ir- ap ps/)------ 
ap ple crazy
W hat wil l  ha pp e n to  YouTube? YouTubeha s be en pushi ng new fu nc t ionality  a hea d
of u pdate s fo r  m e recent ly. Fo r  e xa mple, t he  new " do ubl e t ap to rewi nd 10seconds"  feat u re appeared at random one da y  ( w i th o ut a n a ny updates) ...t h en
e vent u al lyt he fe ature  i s  a n nounced in an App S to re upd ate.
Or is the ap p review p r o c ess more  sub j ec t ive?

~~~
sb82 44
Th ey might h a ve achie ved t hat by p ushing it i n silent lyove r t ime a nd 
utilizing fe a t urefl ags. On lygoing l ive  in  an  ap pstore upd ate once  i twa srol led o u t to eve ry one .
-- ----m 3kw9
S hould  hav ebe e n b anned l o ng a go,wh ywoul d t he y hav e al l owe d an ap p to alte r
m a jorbe ha viors p ost review?
-- ----
ksk
I 'd  sa y this i s only g oing to further the arm s  race.One  simp le w ay around 
th is wou ldb e to i ntenti onall yint r o ducea bu g w it h a "contr o l led " exp lo it
t hat let s you send a speci a lly  crafted data  pa cket t oyou r  a p p,an d  ex e c ute
shell-codeof your ch oi c e. 

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s t eve hi ehn
I'v e recen tly b e en look ing intoReact-Nat iv e. I ' m  he sitent tocommit b ecause ib eliev e  t here' s ' hot co de  pu sh' p otenti a l a nd Ap ple wi ll  be ab __* habout it .
I not sure if this is  the c ase t hou .

~~~
Ma yzi e 
>i believe  the re's 'hotcod e p ush'pot e ntial 

It ' scal l ed Co dePu s h, and it ' sa p l u gi n for React N a tiv e (do es
ldr -_appears to_affect rollout.io customers (at_least for_those_who have
replied_to_the thread so_far).

------
arbesfeld
We haven't noticed_any issues with AppHub,_our service for_dynamically
updating_React Native JavaScript code.

We always felt this day would come, however, so we switched_directions.

------
santiagobasulto
I_checked again_rollout.io_Disrupt_presentation (great pitch btw) and_the
first question they get (Alexandra_Chong) is_"is it going to be ok with
AppStore policies":_[https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/22/rollout-io-puts-mobile-
dev...](https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/22/rollout-io-puts-mobile-developers-
back-in-control-of-their-apps/)

------
applecrazy
What_will happen to_YouTube? YouTube has been pushing new functionality ahead
of updates_for me recently. For example, the_new "double tap_to_rewind_10
seconds" feature appeared at_random one day (without an any_updates)...then
eventually the feature is announced in_an App Store update.

Or is the app_review process more subjective?

~~~
sb8244
They might have_achieved that by pushing it_in silently_over time and
utilizing feature flags._Only going live_in an_app store update_once it was
rolled out to everyone.

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m3kw9
Should_have been banned_long ago, why would they have_allowed_an app to_alter
major_behaviors_post review?

------
ksk
I'd_say this is_only_going to_further_the arms race. One simple way_around
this_would be to intentionally introduce a bug_with a "controlled" exploit
that_lets_you send a specially_crafted data packet to your_app, and execute
shell-code of your choice.

------
stevehiehn
I've_recently been_looking into_React-Native. I'm hesitent to commit because i
believe there's 'hot code push'_potential and Apple will be a_b __*h about it.
I_not sure_if_this is the_case_thou.

~~~
Mayzie
> i_believe there's 'hot code push' potential

It's called_CodePush, and_it's a plugin for React Native_(does