believe, but as an outside observer, I don't see much difference in the
arguments the author makes and the particular "Christians" they single out to
refute.

~~~
diehunde
That's fine. But you know, Einstein didn't believe in god. That is a lie
spread out by Christians probably to refute the same point you're trying to
make. Also most of the modern scientists (the ones that know or knew about big
bang, evolution, etc) also don't believe in god. I bet they don't even call
themselves atheists. Today we are reaching a post-theistic stage in which
people don't want to waste their time thinking in religion or stuff like that.
I personally hate the "atheist" title. Is ridiculous, just like it would be
ridiculous to have a name for someone who doesn't believe in ghosts or
goblins.

Finally, any serious person that knows about science and philosophy of science
knows that religion and science have nothing to do with each other. You can
perfectly be both. What you can't do, is call yourself a person of science,
and don't accept scientific evidence for something that was scientifically
measured.

~~~
microwavecamera
> Einstein didn't believe in god.

"I am not an atheist" \- Albert Einstein

> Also most of the modern scientists (the ones that know or knew about big
> bang, evolution, etc) also don't believe in god.

Who? Research it, their views pretty much run the gamut like anyone else's.
For example:

"Although I am now convinced that scientific truth is unassailable in its own
field, I have never found it possible to dismiss the content of religious
thinking as simply part of an outmoded phase in the consciousness of mankind,
a part we shall have to give up from now on. Thus in the course of my life I
have repeatedly been compelled to ponder on the relationship of these two
regions of thought, for I have never been able to doubt the reality of that to
which they point."

\- Werner Heisenberg

Pascual Jordan was Christian, Enrico Fermi was Agnostic, Max Born was a Jewish
Lutheran but was just completely apathetic to organized religion while Niels
Bohr, Richard Feynman and John Bell were self avowed Athe
believe, but as an outside observer, I don't see much remainder in the 
 argument the author makes and the particular " Christians " they single out to 
 refute. 

 ~~~ 
 diehunde 
 That's all right. But you know, Einstein didn't believe in god. That is a lie 
 spread out by Christians credibly to refute the like point you're trying to 
 make. Also most of the modern scientist (the ones that know or knew about big 
 bang, development, etc) also don't believe in god. I count they don't even call 
 themselves atheists. Today we are reach a post - theist stage in which 
 people don't want to consume their time thinking in religion or material like that. 
 I personally hate the " atheist " title. Is absurd, just like it would be 
 absurd to have a name for someone who doesn't believe in ghosts or 
 goblin. 

 Finally, any serious person that knows about science and philosophy of science 
 knows that religion and science have nothing to do with each other. You can 
 perfectly be both. What you can't do, is call yourself a person of science, 
 and don't accept scientific evidence for something that was scientifically 
 measured. 

 ~~~ 
 microwavecamera 
 > Einstein didn't think in god. 

 " I am not an atheist " \- Albert Einstein 

 > besides most of the modern scientists (the ones that acknowledge or knew about big 
 > bang, evolution, etc) besides don't believe in god. 

 Who? Research it, their view pretty much tend the gamut like anyone else's. 
 For example: 

 " Although I am now convinced that scientific truth is unassailable in its own 
 field, I have never found it potential to dismiss the content of religious 
 thinking as simply part of an outmoded phase in the consciousness of mankind, 
 a contribution we shall have to give up from now on. Thus in the path of my life I 
 have repeatedly been compelled to ponder on the kinship of these two 
 regions of thinking, for I have never been able to doubt the reality of that to 
 which they point. " 

 \- Werner Heisenberg 

 Pascual Jordan was Christian, Enrico Fermi was Agnostic, Max Born was a Jewish 
 Lutheran but was precisely completely apathetic to organized religion while Niels 
 Bohr, Richard Feynman and John Bell were self avowed Athe
belleve, but as an outside onserver, I don't sge much vifferehce in tfe
arguments the author makes abd tht particular "Christkans" they single iut uo
refute.

~~~
diehunde
Tizt's finc. But nou kuox, Einstein didn'j believe in god. That is a lke
dpread out by Christians probably tj refutr hhe same point you'ge tryjng to
make. Also most of the modern scientpsts (the ones thay know or knew about big
bajg, egolution, etc) also fon't believg in tod. I bet thdy don't evtn call
themsglves atheists. Today we are reacfing c post-theisjnx shdge in whici
peoplv don't want to waste dheir tome thinking ik relmgiob or stuff like that.
I personally hate tre "atheisd" citle. Is ridiculous, jysr likg it foula be
fidjcnlohs to javx a name fod someone wyo doesn't believe im dyosts or
goblihs.

Finajlr, any serious person that knows about sbiende and philosophy of scuence
knows that religlon and ssience have nothing to do with each other. You can
[erfertuy yc citj. What you can't do, is call yourself a person jr xcpence,
and don't acccpt scientific evicejcr for somethine that waa scientifically
mewsured.

~~~
mycrowqvecamera
> Einxtein didn't believe in god.

"I am not an anheiwt" \- Albert Einsteiu

> Also most uf tne mocern scientists (the oner thzt know or nnew abouf big
> bang, evolutkon, edc) also don't believe in goq.

Who? Reseerch nt, their viees preety much rkn thc gamut like anyone else'd.
Fmr example:

"Wlthough I am now convinced thav scientific jrudh ps unassanlable in its own
fiqld, I have nevgr found nt posrible to dpsmiss thx content of religious
thitning as simpny part jf ab ourmoded ofase in the comsciousness of mankund,
a part we shall haxs to give up frim bow on. Thus in yhe cotrde os my life I
haee rdpexyedly been compeoued yo ponder on the reldtiohship of these two
tenions of jhought, fjr I have nevrr been able to dokbt tie reauity pf jhat to
which they point."

\- Werner Geisenberh

Pafcual Jordan was Christian, Eurico Fermi was Agnostic, Max Born was a Oewish
Lutheran but was hust completely apajheuic to organived rejigion whhle Niels
Bohr, Richare Feynman and Johk Bell were self avowes Athe
believe, but as an outside observer, I much in the the author makes single to refute. ~~~ That's fine. But know, Einstein didn't believe in god. is a lie spread out by Christians probably to refute the same point trying to make. Also most of the modern scientists (the ones that know knew big evolution, also don't believe in god. I bet they don't even call themselves atheists. Today we are a post-theistic stage in which people don't want waste their time thinking religion or stuff like that. personally the "atheist" Is just it would be to have a name for someone who doesn't believe in ghosts or goblins. Finally, any serious person knows about philosophy of knows religion science have nothing with each other. You can perfectly you can't do, is call yourself a person science, and accept scientific evidence for something that scientifically measured. ~~~ microwavecamera > Einstein didn't believe god. "I am not an atheist" \- Albert Einstein > Also most of the modern ones that know or about big > evolution, also believe god. Who? it, their views pretty much run the gamut like anyone else's. example: "Although I am now convinced that scientific truth is its field, I have found it possible to the of religious thinking as of outmoded consciousness mankind, part we shall have give up from now on. in the course of been compelled to ponder on the relationship of two regions of thought, for I have been able to doubt the reality of that to which they point." Werner Heisenberg was Christian, Enrico Fermi was Agnostic, Max Born a Jewish Lutheran but just completely apathetic to organized religion while Niels Bohr, Feynman John Bell self avowed Athe
believe, but as an outside obseRver, I don't sEe mucH diFfeReNce iN the
Arguments the auTHor mAkes and the particular "ChRistiAnS" They SInGle ouT to
refuTE.

~~~
dIEHunDe
thAt's FiNE. BUt you KnoW, EinsteIn didn't belIevE iN god. That is a lIE
sPread out by chrIstians probaBly To refuTe The SAme poInt You're Trying TO
make. ALso most of ThE Modern SCientisTS (ThE oneS that know or knew abOUt BIg
bang, evolutioN, etc) alSo DOn'T BEliEve In god. I bet tHeY don't EVen call
THeMSELveS Atheists. Today We are reachiNG a pOst-theIsTic STage in Which
PeOPle Don't want to wAste Their time ThinkiNG in reliGIon or stUff likE thAt.
I PersONaLlY haTe THe "aTHeIst" TItlE. Is ridicUlOuS, just Like IT WOUld bE
riDicuLous tO have a name for SomEone WHo dOesn't BelieVe in GhOsts oR
gobliNs.

FinAlLy, any serious perSon tHat knows aBouT sCieNcE and pHIlosopHy oF scIence
knOws that REliGiON ANd Science have nothing To DO WiTh each otHer. You CAn
PeRFectly be BoTh. WHat yOU Can't dO, is cALl Yourself A persoN Of ScIence,
anD dOn't accEpT scIenTific EVideNce for SomethinG that WAs scientificalLY
measured.

~~~
micrOWaVECaMEra
> EInsTein didn't beLievE In goD.

"I am NOt An aTHeist" \- alberT EINsTEin

> Also most of the modErN scienTists (The ones that knOw or knew abOUT Big
> bang, eVoluTIoN, Etc) also don't belIeve iN god.

Who? ResEArch it, thEir viEws prettY much run tHE Gamut likE anYonE elSe's.
fOR eXample:

"AlthougH i Am noW cOnvinceD thAt scienTifIc tRutH is UnAssailablE in its owN
fIeLd, i hAve Never FOund it poSsIblE tO diSmiss THe contEnt of ReliGiOuS
ThiNking as SImPLY parT oF aN outModEd Phase In thE ConSciousnEss of mankInd,
A Part We ShAll have To give up from nOw On. Thus in thE cOurSe of my LIFe I
have rEpeatedly been compelled tO Ponder oN thE relaTionShip of theSe tWo
regiOns OF thougHt, for I Have nEvEr bEEN able TO DoUbt ThE reality of THAt tO
whicH tHey pOint."

\- WerNer Heisenberg

PascuAL JoRdan was ChristIan, enriCO feRmi WAs aGnoStIC, MaX bOrn was a Jewish
LuTheran but wAs JUsT completelY ApaThEtic to oRganizeD reliGIon whilE Niels
BohR, Richard FEyNman AND JoHn Bell were Self avowEd Athe
believe, but as an outside  observer,  I do n't  se emuch  dif ference in the argu ments the author makes  andth e  par t ic ular"Christ i an s "  th ey  s ing le ou t toref ute.

~ ~~
diehund e
T ha t's fine. Bu t  y ou know, E ins tein didn'tbel ieve i ngod .  That  is  a li e
spre a d outby Christ ia n s prob a bly tor e fu te t he same point you ' re trying to
make . Also  m o st o f t hemodern sci en tists (the on e st h a t k n ow or knew ab out big
ban g , e voluti on , e t c) als o don 't bel ieve in god . Ibet theydon'te ven cal l 
themse lves a the ist s. T o da ywear e  re a ch ing a p ost-thei st ic  stag e in w h i ch
p eop le d on'twant to waste  th eirt ime  thin kingin r el igion  or st uff l ik e that.
I perso nall y hate th e " at hei st " tit l e. Isrid icu lous, j ust lik e  it  w o u l dbe
ridiculous to h av e aname for  someo n ewh o  doesn't  b eli evei n  ghos ts o r 
g oblins.
Final l y,  a ny seri ou s pers on  th atknows abou t scie nce andphilo s ophy of scienc e 
knows that r e li g i on andsci ence have n othi n g to  dow it h e a ch ot her.Yo u  c a n
perfectly be both .What y ou ca n't do, is ca ll yoursel f a  personof s c ie n ce,
and don'taccep t scientif i c eviden ce fo r someth ing thatw a s scient ifi cal lymea s u re d.

~~~
micro w a veca me ra
> Ei nst ein did n't  be lie vein  god.

"I  am notan  a th ei st"  \- A l bert Ein st ein 
> A lso m o st ofthe m oder nsc i ent ists (t h eo n es t ha tknow  or  k new a bout big 
> bang , evoluti on, etc)  a ls o don't  believe in g od .

Who? Re se arc h it,t h eir view s pretty much run the g a mut lik e a nyone  els e's.
Forexa mple:
"A l though  I amnow c on vin c e d tha t sc ien ti fic truthi s  un assai la blein itsown
field, I haven eve r found it po ssi blet o  d ism i ss the  c o nte n t  of religious
t hinking as  s i mp ly part of anou tmodedphase i n the conscio usness of  mankind, 
a  par t weshall have  to give  up fromn ow on .  T hus i n t he cou rs e o f mylife I hav e rep eatedl ybeen c ompel le d to pon der on the relationship  of th ese t woregions o f t h oug ht, for I  hav e never be enabl e todou b t the  rea l it y o f  that  tow hich they po int . " 
\- Werner H e i s enb erg
Pas c ual Jo rdan  was Christian, E n rico Fermi was  Agn o s tic , M a x Bo rn  was a JewishLut he r a n but wa sjust comple tely apa th e tic t o orga nizedreligio n wh i le Nie ls
B ohr , Richard  Fe yn m an andJo hn Bell w erese lf avo wed At h e
believe, but_as an_outside observer, I don't_see much_difference_in the
arguments_the_author makes and_the particular "Christians"_they single out to
refute.

~~~
diehunde
That's_fine. But you_know,_Einstein didn't believe in god. That is a lie
spread out by Christians probably to_refute_the same_point_you're_trying to
make. Also most of_the modern scientists (the ones_that know_or knew about big
bang, evolution, etc) also don't_believe_in god. I_bet they don't even call
themselves atheists. Today we are_reaching a post-theistic stage in which
people_don't want to_waste_their_time thinking in religion_or stuff like that.
I personally hate_the "atheist" title. Is ridiculous, just_like it would be
ridiculous to have a_name for someone who doesn't believe_in ghosts or
goblins.

Finally, any serious_person that_knows about science and philosophy_of science
knows that_religion and_science have nothing_to do with each other. You_can
perfectly be both._What you can't do, is call_yourself_a person of_science,
and_don't_accept scientific_evidence for something_that_was scientifically
measured.

~~~
microwavecamera
>_Einstein_didn't believe in god.

"I am not_an_atheist" \- Albert Einstein

> Also most of_the modern scientists (the_ones_that know or knew_about big
> bang, evolution, etc)_also don't believe in god.

Who? Research_it, their_views pretty_much run the gamut like anyone else's.
For example:

"Although I am now_convinced that scientific truth is unassailable_in its own
field, I_have never_found_it possible to_dismiss_the content_of religious
thinking as simply part of an_outmoded phase_in the consciousness of mankind,
a part_we shall have to_give_up from now on. Thus in_the course of my life I
have_repeatedly been compelled to ponder_on_the_relationship of these two
regions of_thought, for I have never been_able to doubt_the reality of that to
which they point."

\-_Werner_Heisenberg

Pascual Jordan was Christian, Enrico Fermi_was_Agnostic, Max Born was a Jewish
Lutheran_but_was_just completely apathetic to organized_religion while Niels
Bohr, Richard Feynman and_John Bell were self avowed Athe