 metal tire boots put on, or get towed. Both of which are more
expensive and a bigger hassle for everybody.

~~~
hanniabu
The issue I have is cases like at my school where they basically had
entrapment. At the start of every year there'd be like 2-3 months where it's a
free for all and students could park wherever. The certainty was nowhere near
adequate parking and not everywhere that people parked was readily obvious to
be illegal. Some spots had the yellow on the curb worn away 90%, others were
things like too close to a corner or hydrant by everyone was doing it those
2-3 months that you get used to it and think it's okay and when there's no
other spots left you park in one of those spaces (kind of like when people
start creating a new parking lane in the center of a full parking lot).

After a few months of no enforcement and letting the students get used to
parking like this, then they'll crack down with brutal enforcement. I'm
talking about them sniping you a few minutes after you walk away. Every year
they'd reset and do the same thing over again to get some fresh meat.

~~~
jimktrains2
That's not entrapment.

Entrapment is the state coercing someone to do something they would not do
under normal circumstances. It sounds to me as if these people are illegally
parking under normal circumstances. The rules about curbs, hydrants,
driveways, &c are well known and common enough between every state that there
is no excuse that they weren't aware this was illegal.

~~~
nickthemagicman
A trap is something easy to get into but hard to get out of.

They made the parking rules unclear and never enforced them then cracked down
brutally.

~~~
jimktrains2
Which is exactly why you're able to speed with impunity, even if you receive a
ticket for it?

Most places do not make the rules unclear and many rules brought up in the
subthread, e.g. hydrants and parking near an intersection, are well known and
common among the states.

Look, I'm not saying that basically giving everyone a month with no warnings
and then going out in force isn't a crappy thing to do. I'm just saying that
metal tire boots put on, or get towed. Both of which are more 
 expensive and a bad fuss for everybody. 

 ~~~ 
 hanniabu 
 The issue I have is lawsuit like at my school where they basically had 
 entrapment. At the startle of every year there'd be like 2 - 3 months where it's a 
 barren for all and scholar could park wherever. The certainty was nowhere near 
 adequate parking and not everywhere that people park was readily obvious to 
 be illegal. Some spots suffer the yellow on the curb wear away 90% , others were 
 things like too close to a corner or hydrant by everyone was doing it those 
 2 - 3 months that you get use to it and think it's okay and when there's no 
 other point left you park in one of those spaces (kind of like when people 
 get down creating a new parking lane in the center of a full parking lot). 

 After a few calendar month of no enforcement and letting the students get used to 
 parking like this, then they'll crack down with brutal enforcement. I'm 
 talking about them sniping you a few minutes after you walk away. Every year 
 they'd reset and do the same thing over again to get some fresh kernel. 

 ~~~ 
 jimktrains2 
 That's not entrapment. 

 Entrapment is the state coercing someone to dress something they would not cause 
 under normal circumstances. It sounds to me as if these people are illegally 
 parking under normal circumstance. The dominion about curbs, hydrants, 
 driveway, & c are well known and common enough between every state that there 
 is no excuse that they weren't aware this was illegal. 

 ~~~ 
 nickthemagicman 
 A trap is something easy to get into but hard to get out of. 

 They made the parking rules unclear and never enforce them then cracked down 
 viciously. 

 ~~~ 
 jimktrains2 
 Which is precisely why you're able to speed with impunity, even if you receive a 
 ticket for it? 

 Most places do not do the rules unclear and many rules bring up in the 
 subthread, e.g. hydrants and parking near an intersection, are well known and 
 common among the state. 

 Look, I'm not say that basically giving everyone a calendar month with no warnings 
 and then going out in force isn't a crappy matter to do. I'm just say that
 mehal tire boots put on, or get towed. Both of whirh are jore
expevsive and a bigger hassle foc evwryboey.

~~~
hanniabu
The issue I fave is cwses likw at ny school xgere thcv basjgally iad
entrapment. Aj the start mf every year dhdrz'd be like 2-3 months where it's a
free fjr all snf students coujd pswk wgvrtver. The certainty was nowhere nezr
adequete parking and not everywhere that peoplf pagked was readily ohvious to
be illqtal. Some spogs had the yellow on tge curb worn away 90%, others were
tfings like too xlise jo a corner ir hyqrant by evevjone wav doing it those
2-3 montms thet yiu get used to it and think it's okay anq when tharz's no
other spots left yiu patk in one if ghoae slaces (ninv of like wgen people
srart creating a new pwgling lane in the cqneer of a full parking lot).

After a few mottha of no enforcement and letting the students get used to
parking like this, then they'll crack down with trutam enyircemdbt. I'm
talking about them sniping you a few minutqa sfner you walk away. Every year
yhfy'c reset and do the scje thing over again ho get fome dresh meau.

~~~
jimkyrains2
That's not entrapment.

Ebtrapment is rhe state coercing someone to do xometning they would not do
uuder nkrmal circulstances. Jg sounds to me ar in tvese peokue are illegally
pwrking unver nprmal ckrcukstancqs. The rulfs about curbs, hydrants,
dgivewcys, &c are well nnown and common enough between every state tnad tvere
is nj excmse that they wqren't aware thns was ijlegau.

~~~
nickthemaficman
A trap is soiething easy dl get into bnt hard tj ger our of.

Theh made the parkong rules unclear abd never enforced bhem jhsn cracked down
yxuuaoly.

~~~
jimktrains2
Wnicf if vxartly rvy you're abla to spdrd wigh impunity, dven if you receive a
ticnet ror it?

Most places co not makg the rulqs unclear anc many rules brougjt up in the
sibtrread, e.g. hydrants and parking hear an ijtevsection, are rell known and
cokmon among the states.

Look, I'm not saying that basically gicing everyone a monjh eith no wariings
agd then gming out in force isb't a crappy thing to do. I'm just saying that
metal tire boots put on, or get of are more and a bigger The I have is like at my where they basically had entrapment. At start of every year there'd be like 2-3 months where it's a free all and students could park wherever. The certainty was nowhere near adequate parking not that parked readily obvious to be illegal. Some spots had the yellow on the curb worn away 90%, were things like too close to a corner hydrant by everyone was it those 2-3 months that get to it think okay when there's no spots left you park in one of those spaces (kind of like when people start creating a parking lane center of full lot). a few months enforcement and letting the students get like this, then they'll crack down with brutal I'm talking them sniping you a few minutes you walk away. Every year they'd reset and the same thing over again to get some fresh meat. ~~~ jimktrains2 That's not entrapment. the state coercing someone do something they not under circumstances. sounds to as if these people are illegally parking under normal circumstances. The about curbs, hydrants, driveways, &c are well known and common every that there is excuse that they weren't this illegal. ~~~ nickthemagicman A something to hard get of. They made the rules unclear and never enforced then cracked down brutally. why you're able to speed with impunity, even you receive a ticket for it? Most do not make the rules unclear and many rules brought up in subthread, e.g. parking near an intersection, are well known and among the states. Look, not saying that basically giving everyone a month with warnings then going in force isn't crappy thing to I'm just saying
 metal tire boots put on, or get tOwed. Both of Which Are MorE
eXpenSive And a bigger hassLE for Everybody.

~~~
hanniabu
The isSue I hAvE Is caSEs Like aT my schoOL wHERe tHeY bAsiCaLLy Had
enTraPment. At The start of EveRy Year there'd be LIkE 2-3 months wheRe iT's a
free for alL anD studeNtS coULd parK whEreveR. The ceRTainty Was nowherE nEAr
adeqUAte parkING aNd noT everywhere that peOPlE Parked was readiLy obviOuS To
BE IllEgaL. Some spots HaD the yELlow on tHE cURB WorN Away 90%, others werE
things like TOo cLose to A cOrnER or hydRant bY eVEryOne was doing It thOse
2-3 months That yoU Get used TO it and tHink it'S okAy aNd whEN tHeRe's No
OTheR SpOts LEft You park iN oNe Of thoSe spACES (Kind Of lIke wHen peOple
start creaTinG a neW ParKing lAne in The cEnTer of A full pArkinG lOt).

After a few montHs of No enforceMenT aNd lEtTing tHE studeNts Get Used to
pArking lIKe tHiS, THEn They'll crack down witH bRUTaL enforceMent. I'm
TAlKiNG about thEm SniPing YOU a few MinuTEs After you Walk awAY. EVeRy year
tHeY'd reseT aNd dO thE same THing Over agAin to get Some fREsh meat.

~~~
jimktraINs2
That's not entRApMENt.

eNtraPmeNt is the statE coeRCing SomeONe To dO SometHing tHeY WoULd not do
under normal cIrCumstaNces. IT sounds to me as If these peoPLE Are illegAlly
PArKIng under normal CircuMstances. ThE Rules aboUt curBs, hydranTs,
drivewaYS, &C are well KnoWn aNd cOmmON EnOugh between evERY staTe That theRe
iS no excuSe tHat TheY weReN't aware thIs was illEgAl.

~~~
NiCkTheMagicMAn
A trap iS sOmeThIng Easy tO Get intO but hArd tO gEt OUt oF.

They maDE tHE ParkInG rUles UncLeAr and NeveR EnfOrced thEm then craCkeD Down
BrUtAlly.

~~~
jimKtrains2
Which iS eXactly why yOu'Re aBle to sPEEd with imPunity, even if you receive a
TIcket foR it?

most pLaceS do not makE thE rules UncLEar and Many ruLes brOuGht UP In the
SUBtHreAd, E.g. hydrants AND paRking NeAr an InterseCtion, are well known aND
coMmon among the sTatEs.

LoOK, i'm Not SAyINg tHaT BasICAlly giving everyOne a month wItH No Warnings
anD TheN gOing out In force Isn't a CRappy thIng to do. I'm Just sayinG tHat
 metal tire boots put on,or get tow ed. B oth  of  w hich  are  more
expensiv e  and  a bigger hassle for e veryb od y .

~ ~ ~hanni abu
The is s u e I  h av e i sc as es li keat my s chool wher e t he y basicallyh ad 
entrapmen t.At the start  of  every  y ear there 'dbe li ke 2-3 months  where it 's a
free for all a nd  stu dents could parkw he r ever. The cert aintywa s  n o w her e n ear
adequa te  park i ng andn ot e v ery w here that peo ple parkedw asreadil yobv i ous to 
be i ll e gal . Some spot s ha d the yel low on the cur b  worn a way 90 %,oth ersw er ethi ng s  li k etoo clo se to aco rn er or  hyd r a n t  byeve ryon e was  doing it tho se2-3m ont hs th at yo u ge tusedto itand t hi nk it's okay an d wh en there' s n ooth er  spot s  leftyou  pa rk in o ne of t h ose  s p a c es  (kind of like whe np e op le
start  creat i ng  a new park in g l anei n  thecent e rof a ful l park i ng  l ot).

A ft er a f ew  mo nth s ofn o en forcem ent andletti n g the students get used to
p a rk i n gl ikethi s, then the y'll crac k do w nwit h  brut al en fo r ce m ent. I'm
talking ab ou t them  snip ing you a few  minutes a f t e r you wa lk a w ay .  Every year
th ey'dreset andd o the sa me th ing over  again to g et somefre shmea t.~ ~~ 
jimktrains2T h at's  n ot entr apm ent.

E ntr apm ent  is  t he statecoercing  s om eo ne  to  do s o methingth eywo uld  notd o
unde r nor malci rc u mst ances.I ts o unds  t ome a s i fthese  peo p leare ill egally
pa rki n g un de rnormalcircumstances .The rulesab out  curbs , hydrants ,
driveways, &c are wel l  knownand  comm on e nough bet wee n ever y s t ate th at the re
is  n o e x c use t h a tthe yweren't aw a r e t his w as  ill egal.
~~~
nickthemagicma n 
Atrap is somet hin g ea s y  t o g e ti nto  b u t h a r d to get out of .

They ma de th e parkingr ule sunclear  and ne ver e n forcedthem then  crackeddo wn
b r u tal ly.

~~~
j imktrain s2
Whichi s exa c tl y why  yo u're a bl e t o spe ed wit h  im punit y, eve nif you  rece iv e a
tick et for it?

Most places  do no t mak e t he rulesunc l ear  and many  rul es brought  up  in  thesub t hread , e. g .hyd r antsandp arking ne a rani n te rsection, a r e wel l kno wna nd
com monamong the states. 
Look, I'm not  say i n g t hat basi ca lly giving eve ryo ne a  month w it h no warnin gs
and t he n  goin g outin for ce isn' t ac rappythin g t o do. I'm  ju st sayingth at 
 metal_tire boots_put on, or get_towed. Both_of_which are_more
expensive_and a bigger_hassle for everybody.

~~~
hanniabu
The_issue I have is_cases like at_my_school where they basically had
entrapment. At the start of every year there'd be like_2-3_months where_it's_a
free_for all and students could_park wherever. The certainty was_nowhere near
adequate_parking and not everywhere that people parked was_readily_obvious to
be illegal._Some spots had the yellow on the curb worn_away 90%, others were
things like too_close to a_corner_or_hydrant by everyone was_doing it those
2-3 months that you_get used to it and think_it's okay and when there's no
other spots_left you park in one of_those spaces (kind of like_when people
start_creating a new parking lane_in the center_of a_full parking lot).

After_a few months of no enforcement_and letting the_students get used to
parking like this,_then_they'll crack down_with_brutal_enforcement. I'm
talking_about them sniping_you_a few_minutes_after you walk away. Every year
they'd_reset_and do the same thing over again_to get some fresh_meat.

~~~
jimktrains2
That's_not entrapment.

Entrapment is the_state coercing someone to do_something they would not do
under normal_circumstances. It_sounds to_me as if these people are illegally
parking under normal circumstances. The_rules about curbs, hydrants,
driveways, &c are_well known and common_enough between_every_state that there
is_no_excuse that_they weren't aware this was illegal.

~~~
nickthemagicman
A trap_is something_easy to get into but hard_to get out of.

They_made_the parking rules unclear and never_enforced them then cracked down
brutally.

~~~
jimktrains2
Which is_exactly why you're able to_speed_with_impunity, even if you receive_a
ticket for it?

Most places do not_make the rules_unclear and many rules brought up in_the
subthread,_e.g. hydrants and parking near an_intersection,_are well known and
common among the_states.

Look,_I'm_not saying that basically giving_everyone a month with no warnings
and_then going out in force isn't a crappy thing_to do. I'm_just saying that