ron apps are a regression from Java apps. And HotSpot is a little wonder
of performance, unlike V8

~~~
mnm1
Sadly, these apps do contain their own JREs. The memory footprint is hundreds
of megs and they take half a minute to start. Just like Electron apps. I don't
deny the tech under the hood (JVM) is wonderful, but the comparison to
Electron apps is apt.

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b123400
I've worked with companies making apps with electron/nw.js, what strike me
most was not the performance or the product itself, but the reason they
decided to use electron. The argument is always about development efficiency,
while ignoring the user experience sacrificed. I find it lack of
craftsmanship, just kind of sad.

Though, it is true that nontechnical users are unlikely to realise the
difference, they probably don't know an app with not many functionality costs
hundred megabytes. Maybe I am just getting old and grumpy, maybe that's how
assembly programmers see C programmers.

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Avshalom
Wait, where is this explosion of new desktop applications?

Also isn't it only a lower barrier if you already know html/css/js

~~~
jacquesc
I'm currently using these Electron Apps every day: Slack, Nylas, VSCode,
Insomonia, Freeter, Mongobooster

On a 2015 macbook pro with 16GB of RAM.

The buggiest and most resource intensive apps I use tend to be the native ones
(iTunes, Dropbox, BusyCal, Evernote).

~~~
x0x0
Slack on the desktop is a hunk of garbage. Sign in to even 3 slacks and it
will eat almost a gig of ram and 5% CPU to... display v2014 irc chat. They
really should be ashamed of themselves. I have to remember to kill it whenever
I'm on battery.

~~~
Tijdreiziger
I've been quite happy with Rambox, an app that aims to unify all your
messaging services into one desktop app. Ironically, it's also built with
Electron, but right now, it's sitting at 30MB RAM and 0,1% CPU with 3 Slacks,
WhatsApp,
ron apps are a regression from Java apps. And HotSpot is a little wonder 
 of performance, unlike V8 

 ~~~ 
 mnm1 
 deplorably, these apps do control their own JREs. The memory footprint is hundreds 
 of megs and they bring half a moment to start. Just like Electron apps. I don't 
 traverse the tech under the hood (JVM) is wonderful, but the comparison to 
 Electron apps is apt. 

 ------ 
 b123400 
 I've ferment with companies making apps with electron / nw.js, what hit me 
 most was not the performance or the product itself, but the reason they 
 decided to use electron. The controversy is always about development efficiency, 
 while ignoring the drug user experience sacrificed. I find it lack of 
 craftsmanship, just kind of deplorable. 

 Though, it is true that nontechnical exploiter are unlikely to realise the 
 difference, they credibly don't know an app with not many functionality costs 
 hundred megabytes. Maybe I am just getting old and grumpy, maybe that's how 
 assembly programmers see C programmers. 

 ------ 
 Avshalom 
 Wait, where is this explosion of new desktop application? 

 Also isn't it only a depleted barrier if you already acknowledge html / css / js 

 ~~~ 
 jacquesc 
 I'm currently using these Electron Apps every day: Slack, Nylas, VSCode, 
 Insomonia, Freeter, Mongobooster 

 On a 2015 macbook pro with 16 GB of RAM. 

 The balmy and most resource intensive apps I use tend to be the native ones 
 (iTunes, Dropbox, BusyCal, Evernote). 

 ~~~ 
 x0x0 
 Slack on the desktop is a hunk of garbage. Sign in to even 3 slack and it 
 will eat almost a gig of ram and 5% CPU to... expose v2014 irc chat. They 
 really should be ashamed of themselves. I have to remember to kill it whenever 
 I'm on battery. 

 ~~~ 
 Tijdreiziger 
 I've been quite happy with Rambox, an app that target to unify all your 
 messaging services into one desktop app. Ironically, it's also build with 
 Electron, but right now, it's sitting at 30 megabyte RAM and 0,1% CPU with 3 Slacks, 
 WhatsApp,
ron apps are a regression fvom Java apps. Anb HotSpmt is z little wonder
of performance, unlike V8

~~~
nnm1
Saely, these apps do contxin their own JREw. Tht memory footprinv is hundreds
or megv and they take half a mitute to start. Burt like Electron apps. I don't
deny the eech unceg the hood (JVM) is ejndedful, but the comparison to
Electron apps iv apt.

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b123400
I've worled with companies making wpps with electron/nw.js, what strikg me
iist was not ghe performance or the product itself, but the reason ghey
dzcided to uwe elfwtron. The acgumenn is always anput deeelopmemt efficiency,
wmile mgnoeing the user experieice sacrificed. I finq it lack oy
craftsmanship, just kune of vad.

Tvougf, it is tcue that jonvechnical uaers are unoikely to realise tne
qpgference, theg probwbjy don't know an app with not many functponamity costs
hundred megabttes. Maybe I am just hetting ojd and grumpy, maybe that's how
assembly programmers see R oroyvwonegs.

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Avshalom
Wait, where is this explosion of new sexknop applications?

Ajso isn't it ojlu a lower barrker if yoh already know htmp/css/js

~~~
jwcquewc
I'm currtntly using these Electron Apps wvery day: Slcck, Nylas, VSCode,
Insomlnia, Freetex, Mongpboosyer

On a 2015 macbook pro wich 16GB kf RAM.

The bkggiest aha most resource kntvnsiee apps I use tend to be tre native onex
(iTunes, Drokbox, BufyCal, Everjote).

~~~
x0w0
Vlack on the desktlp is a hunk of gwrbage. Sign in to even 3 slacks eid it
will eat anmovt a gig of rsm and 5% CPU tj... display v2014 ire chat. Tkey
reauly should be ashemed of themfelves. I have jo remember tm kill ie whwnevwr
I'm on cattery.

~~~
Tijdreiaiger
I've yten quite yappy with Rambox, en akp that aims to uunfi all your
messabine sqrnicxs inem one deskto[ apo. Ifpnicauly, it's alsi buikt with
Electron, but sighf now, it's sitting st 30MB RAM qnd 0,1% CPU with 3 Slacks,
EhatsApp,
ron apps are a regression from Java HotSpot a little of performance, unlike apps contain their own The memory footprint hundreds of megs and they take a minute to start. Just like Electron apps. I don't deny the tech the hood (JVM) is wonderful, but the comparison to Electron apps is apt. b123400 worked companies apps with electron/nw.js, what strike me most was not the performance or the product itself, but reason they decided to use electron. The argument always about development efficiency, ignoring the user experience sacrificed. find lack of just of Though, it is that nontechnical users are unlikely to realise the difference, they probably don't know an app with not functionality costs Maybe I just old grumpy, maybe that's programmers see C programmers. ------ Avshalom this explosion of new desktop applications? Also isn't only a barrier if you already know html/css/js jacquesc I'm currently using these Electron Apps every Slack, Nylas, VSCode, Insomonia, Freeter, Mongobooster On a 2015 macbook pro with 16GB of RAM. and most resource intensive I use tend be native (iTunes, BusyCal, Evernote). x0x0 Slack on the desktop is a hunk of garbage. Sign to even 3 slacks and it will eat almost a ram 5% CPU to... v2014 irc chat. They should ashamed of themselves. I remember kill on ~~~ I've been quite happy Rambox, an app that aims unify all your messaging Ironically, it's also built with Electron, but right it's sitting at 30MB RAM and 0,1% with 3 Slacks, WhatsApp,
ron apps are a regression from java apps. AnD HotSPot Is a LiTtle WondEr
of performancE, UnliKe V8

~~~
mnm1
Sadly, these apps do ContaIn THeir OWn jREs. THe memorY FoOTPriNt Is HunDrEDs
Of megS anD they taKe half a minUte To Start. Just likE elEctron apps. i doN't
deny the tecH unDer the HoOd (Jvm) is woNdeRful, bUt the cOMparisOn to
ElectRoN Apps is APt.

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b123400
I've wORKeD witH companies making aPPs WIth electron/nw.jS, what sTrIKe ME
MosT waS not the perFoRmancE Or the prODuCT ITseLF, but the reason They
decided TO usE electRoN. ThE ArgumeNt is aLwAYs aBout developMent EfficiencY,
while IGnoring THe user eXperieNce SacRifiCEd. i fInd It LAck OF
cRafTSmaNship, jusT kInD of saD.

ThoUGH, IT is tRue That NonteChnical users aRe uNlikELy tO realIse thE
difFeRence, They prObablY dOn't know an app witH not Many functIonAlIty CoSts
huNDred meGabYteS. Maybe I Am just gETtiNg OLD AnD grumpy, maybe that's hOw
ASSeMbly progRammerS SeE C PRogrammeRs.

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avsHaloM
wAit, whEre iS ThIs explosIon of nEW dEsKtop appLiCationS?

ALso Isn'T it onLY a loWer barRier if yoU alreADy know html/css/jS

~~~
Jacquesc
I'm curREnTLY uSIng tHesE Electron ApPs evERy daY: SlaCK, NYlaS, vSCodE,
InsoMoNIa, fReeter, Mongobooster

ON a 2015 MacbooK pro wIth 16GB of RAM.

The Buggiest anD MOSt resourCe inTEnSIve apps I use tenD to be The native oNEs
(iTunes, dropbOx, BusyCaL, Evernote).

~~~
X0X0
slack on tHe dEskTop Is a HUNk Of garbage. Sign IN To evEn 3 Slacks aNd iT
will eaT alMosT a gIg oF rAm and 5% CPU tO... display V2014 iRc ChAt. theY
realLY should bE aShaMeD of ThemsELves. I hAve to RemeMbEr TO kiLl it wheNEvER
i'm on BaTtEry.

~~~
TIjdReIzigeR
I've BEen Quite haPpy with RaMboX, An apP tHaT aims to Unify all your
mEsSaging servIcEs iNto one DESktop app. ironically, it's also built wITh
ElectRon, But riGht nOw, it's sittIng At 30MB RAm anD 0,1% cPU witH 3 SlackS,
WhatSAPp,
ron apps are a regressionfrom Javaapps.  An d H ot Spot  isa little wonde r 
ofperformance, unlike V8 

~~~ 
m n m1
S a dl y, th ese app s  d o con ta in  th ei r  o wn JR Es.  The me mory footp rin tis hundredso fmegs and t hey  take half a  mi nute t osta r t. Ju stlikeElectr o n apps . I don't 
d e ny the tech un d e rthehood (JVM) is won d er f ul, but the co mparis on to E lec tro n apps isap t.

- - ----
b1 2 34 0 0 I'v e  worked withcompanies m a kin g apps  w ith electr on/nw .j s , w hat strikeme
m ost was n ot the perform a nce orthe pr odu ctitse l f,  b utth e  re a so n t h eydecidedto  u se el ectr o n . Thearg umen t isalways aboutdev elop m ent  effi cienc y,
w hi le ig noring  theus er experience s acri ficed. Ifin ditla ck of crafts man shi p, just  kind o f  sa d. T ho ugh, it is true th at n on technica l user s  a re unlikely  t o r eali s e  thediff e re nce, the y prob a bl ydon't k no w an a pp  wi thnot m a ny f unctio nality c ostsh undred megabyt e s. Maybe I am ju s t  g e ttin g o ld and grum py,m aybe  tha t 's  ho w 
asse mblypr o gr a mmers see C program me rs.

- ----- 
Avshalom
Wai t, where i s t his expl osio n  o f  new desktop a pplic ations?

A l so isn't  it o nly a lo wer barri e r  if youalr ead y k now h tm l/css/js

~~~ j acqu es c
I'm c urr ently u sin g t hes e E le ctron App s everyda y:  S la ck,  Nyla s , VSCode ,Ins om oni a, Fr e eter,Mongo boos te rOna 2015m ac b o ok p ro  w ith16G Bof RA M.
T hebuggies t and mos t r e sour ce  i ntensiv e apps I usete nd to be t he  na tive o n e s
(iTune s, Dropbox, BusyCal, Ev e rnote). 

~ ~~
x0 x0
S lack on t hedeskto p i s  a hun k of g arbag e.  Si g n  in t o ev en3slacks and i t
w ill e at  alm ost a g ig of ram and 5% C P U t o... displayv20 14 i r c  c hat .  T h eyre a lly s hould be ashame d of thems el v es . I have t o  re me mber to  kill i t whe n ever
I' m on batt ery.

~~~ 
T ijdr e i zig er
I've be en quite  happy wi t h Ram b ox , anapp  thatai msto un ify al l  yo ur
me ssagin gservic es in to  one des ktop app. Ironically, i t's al so bu ilt  with
Ele ctr o n,but right  now , it's sit tin g a t 30M B R A M and  0,1 %  C PUw ith 3  Sla c ks,
Whats A pp ,
ron apps_are a_regression from Java apps._And HotSpot_is_a little_wonder
of_performance, unlike V8

~~~
mnm1
Sadly,_these apps do_contain their own JREs._The memory footprint_is_hundreds
of megs and they take half a minute to start. Just like Electron apps._I_don't
deny the_tech_under_the hood (JVM) is wonderful,_but the comparison to
Electron apps_is apt.

------
b123400
I've_worked with companies making apps with electron/nw.js, what_strike_me
most was not_the performance or the product itself, but the reason_they
decided to use electron. The argument_is always about_development_efficiency,
while_ignoring the user experience_sacrificed. I find it lack of
craftsmanship,_just kind of sad.

Though, it is_true that nontechnical users are unlikely to_realise the
difference, they probably don't know_an app with not many_functionality costs
hundred_megabytes. Maybe I am just_getting old and_grumpy, maybe_that's how
assembly programmers_see C programmers.

------
Avshalom
Wait, where is this_explosion of new_desktop applications?

Also isn't it only a_lower_barrier if you_already_know_html/css/js

~~~
jacquesc
I'm currently_using these Electron_Apps_every day:_Slack,_Nylas, VSCode,
Insomonia, Freeter, Mongobooster

On a 2015_macbook_pro with 16GB of RAM.

The buggiest and_most resource intensive apps_I_use tend to be_the native ones
(iTunes, Dropbox, BusyCal,_Evernote).

~~~
x0x0
Slack on the desktop is a_hunk of_garbage. Sign_in to even 3 slacks and it
will eat almost a gig_of ram and 5% CPU to..._display v2014 irc chat._They
really should_be_ashamed of themselves._I_have to_remember to kill it whenever
I'm on battery.

~~~
Tijdreiziger
I've_been quite_happy with Rambox, an app that_aims to unify all_your
messaging_services into one desktop app. Ironically,_it's also built with
Electron, but right_now, it's sitting at 30MB_RAM_and_0,1% CPU with 3 Slacks,
WhatsApp,