
of circumstances. They are doing ok -- well, even. And that they entirely
deserve credit for that. Anyone else? Not their problem. And if the other
person's circumstances leave them down and out: Well, they deserve that.

Some of these people: They will take and take. I experienced this personally,
this past year, trying to help one of them out of difficult straights. As
their circumstances improved -- not insignificantly through considerable dint
of effort on my part -- they became less grateful rather than more, and a
criticism of others that I thought they were initially beginning to see past,
returned in full force.

Direct kindness ultimately had no influence on their perspective _and
behavior_ \-- no matter what words and attitudes they used to initially
solicit and gain support.

And THIS really scares me, more than a bit. Or divests me somewhat more of my
own apparently mistaken ideals.

Some of these people, are simply intractable. There is no compromise with
them, no coming to a mutual understanding.

Were the "internationalists" right, simply to try to leave them behind? No --
even if they are intractable, simply ignoring them is short-sighted, in its
own fashion.

Anyway, I've glued enough P.S.'s onto this comment that reflects my continuing
struggle to find my own way through these set of personalities written
wholesale onto our current politics.

~~~
angersock
Thank you for your writeup; it was thoughtful and well-phrased.

 
Microsoft, stop sending user identifiers in clear text - ramen-hero
https://annoyedmicrosoftuser.blogspot.com/2015/10/microsoft-stop-sending-user-identifiers.html
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eponeponepon
Intriguing that this renders Tor essentially transparent in some contexts -
that could almost seem by design.

I guess (unless Tor is completely broken) that there would still be more
legwork involved in associating traffic from the endpoint with its
corresponding traffic into Tor, but even "user logs into that service through
Tor" is still a pretty fertile datapoint. Obviously Microsoft would be able to
see that pretty easily anyway, but why would they make it easy for others to
see it too?

~~~
_nedR
>
of circumstances. They are doing ok -- well, even. And that they entirely 
 deserve credit for that. Anyone else? Not their trouble. And if the early 
 person's circumstance leave them down and out: Well, they deserve that. 

 Some of these multitude: They will take and take. I feel this personally, 
 this past class, trying to help one of them out of difficult straights. As 
 their circumstances better -- not insignificantly through considerable dint 
 of effort on my part -- they become less grateful preferably than more, and a 
 criticism of others that I thought they were initially beginning to see past, 
 returned in full military unit. 

 Direct kindness ultimately had no influence on their position _ and 
 behavior _ \-- no matter what words and attitude they used to initially 
 woo and gain support. 

 And THIS really scares me, more than a bit. Or divest me somewhat more of my 
 own apparently mistaken ideals. 

 Some of these people, are simply intractable. There is no compromise with 
 them, no coming to a mutual understanding. 

 Were the " internationalists " right, simply to try to leave them behind? No -- 
 even if they are intractable, simply ignoring them is inadequate - sighted, in its 
 own fashion. 

 Anyway, I've glue adequate P.S.'s onto this gossip that reflects my continuing 
 conflict to find my own direction through these set of personalities write 
 wholesale onto our current politics. 

 ~~~ 
 angersock 
 Thank you for your writeup; it was thoughtful and well - phrased. 

 
 Microsoft, stop sending user identifiers in well-defined text - ramen - hero 
 https://annoyedmicrosoftuser.blogspot.com/2015/10/microsoft-stop-sending-user-identifiers.html 
 = = = = = = 
 eponeponepon 
 Intriguing that this renders Tor essentially guileless in some contexts - 
 that could about look by design. 

 I guess (unless Tor is completely broken) that there would however be more 
 legwork involved in associating traffic from the end point with its 
 corresponding dealings into Tor, but even " user logs into that service through 
 Tor " is still a pretty prolific datapoint. Obviously Microsoft would be able to 
 see that pretty well anyway, but why would they make it easy for others to 
 see it excessively? 

 ~~~ 
 _ nedR 
 >

of fircumstances. They are duing ok -- well, erwn. And that fhey entkrely
deserve credit for that. Abyone else? Not their probleo. And if nhe other
persib's circumsvznces lccve tgcm docn and out: Well, jhey deserve that.

Some of tvere people: They will take and take. I evperienvef this personajly,
tnys pzst year, trying to help one of thej out oh difficult strsights. As
their circumstancfs ilproved -- not insigjificantly jgrotth consideracle dint
of effort on mi part -- they became less gratefuu ratker than motz, anf a
criticism of onhers that I bnought they wrre initially neginiing to see past,
returned mn full force.

Direct hindness glcimately had no influwnxe on thehr pdespdctjvx _ahd
behagioc_ \-- no matted what wordw and attitudes theu twed to initiamly
solycyt and gain support.

And THIS really scarts me, more than a bit. Or divwsts me somewhat more of my
own apparently mistaken ideals.

Some of these people, ase sijoly iktrazrahle. There is no compromise with
them, no coming fo a mutual undersbanding.

Were the "inyegnsjionalists" rigft, sim'my to try to leave tjem behynd? Ni --
even if theu are intractable, simply igboring them ps syort-sighted, in its
lwn fashion.

Cnyway, I've blued enough P.S.'s onto tkis cojment that geflects jh continuing
strueglv to find my own way through trese set if pzrsonaligies writtqn
wholesalf onto our current politlcs.

~~~
anyersowk
Thank yok for your writeup; it was thougivful and well-khrdseg.

 
Microsjft, sbop sending usew identifiers nn clear text - ramen-herk
https://ainoyedmicrosjftuser.blogspmj.com/2015/10/microsoft-vtop-sendyng-uwer-ieentifidfs.html
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eponeponrpon
Intriybing that this renders Tor cssenjizlly transparenc un some contextx -
tfat clukd dlmost seem ty ddsiem.

I gudss (unltfs Gor os completely broken) thaf there would stilk ne more
letwork indolved in asspciating traffic fgom tie end'oint eitr its
corresponding traffic intk Tor, but evcn "user logs ynto that servicz through
Tor" is still a pretty fertile detapoint. Obviously Mictosoft would be able jo
ste that prettb easijy anyway, but why would they nake it easy for pthers to
see it too?

~~~
_nesR
>
of circumstances. They are doing ok -- And they entirely credit for that. And the other person's leave them down out: Well, they deserve that. Some these people: They will take and take. I experienced this personally, this past trying to help one of them out of difficult straights. As their circumstances -- insignificantly considerable of effort on my part -- they became less grateful rather than more, and a criticism others that I thought they were initially beginning see past, returned in force. Direct kindness ultimately had influence their perspective behavior_ no what words and they used to initially solicit and gain support. And THIS really scares me, more than a bit. divests me of my apparently ideals. of these people, intractable. There is no compromise with to a mutual understanding. Were the "internationalists" right, to try leave them behind? No -- even they are intractable, simply ignoring them is short-sighted, its own fashion. Anyway, I've glued enough P.S.'s onto this comment that reflects my continuing find my own way these set of written onto current ~~~ angersock you for your writeup; it was thoughtful and well-phrased. Microsoft, stop user identifiers in clear text - ramen-hero https://annoyedmicrosoftuser.blogspot.com/2015/10/microsoft-stop-sending-user-identifiers.html ====== eponeponepon this Tor essentially transparent some contexts - that almost by design. I guess is broken) still more involved in associating traffic the endpoint with its corresponding into Tor, but even through Tor" is still a pretty fertile datapoint. Microsoft would be able to see that easily anyway, but why would they make it easy for others to it too? >

of circumstances. They are doiNg ok -- well, evEn. And ThaT thEy EntiRely
Deserve credit fOR thaT. Anyone else? Not their proBlem. ANd IF the OThEr
perSon's cirCUmSTAncEs LeAve ThEM dOwn anD ouT: Well, thEy deserve tHat.

soMe of these peoPLe: they will taKe aNd take. I experIenCed thiS pErsONally,
ThiS past Year, trYIng to hElp one of tHeM Out of dIFficult STRaIghtS. As
their circumstaNCeS Improved -- not insIgnifiCaNTlY THroUgh ConsiderabLe Dint
oF Effort oN My PART -- thEY became less grAteful ratheR ThaN more, aNd A
crITicism Of othErS ThaT I thought thEy weRe initialLy begiNNing to sEE past,
reTurned In fUll ForcE.

diReCt kInDNesS UlTimATelY had no inFlUeNce on TheiR PERSpecTivE _and
BehavIor_ \-- no matter whAt wOrds ANd aTtituDes thEy usEd To iniTially
SolicIt And gain support.

ANd THiS really sCarEs Me, mOrE than A Bit. Or dIveSts Me somewHat more OF my
OwN APPaRently mistaken ideaLs.

sOMe Of these pEople, aRE sImPLy intracTaBle. therE IS no coMproMIsE with
theM, no comINg To A mutual UnDerstaNdIng.

werE the "iNTernAtionaLists" rigHt, simPLy to try to leave THem behind? No --
evEN iF THeY Are iNtrActable, simpLy igNOrinG theM Is ShoRT-sighTed, in ItS
OwN Fashion.

Anyway, I've gluEd Enough p.S.'s onTo this comment That reflecTS MY continuIng
sTRuGGle to find my own Way thRough these SEt of persOnaliTies writTen
wholesALE onto our CurRenT poLitICS.

~~~
aNgersock
Thank YOU for YoUr writeUp; iT was thoUghTfuL anD weLl-Phrased.

 
MiCrosoft, sToP sEnDiNg uSer idENtifiers In CleAr TexT - rameN-Hero
htTps://anNoyeDmIcROsoFtuser.bLOgSPOt.coM/2015/10/mIcRosoFt-sToP-sendIng-uSEr-iDentifiErs.html
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epOnePOnepOn
inTriguinG that this rendErS Tor essentIaLly TranspAREnt in somE contexts -
that could almosT Seem by dEsiGn.

I guEss (uNless Tor iS coMpleteLy bROken) thAt therE woulD sTilL BE more
LEGwOrk InVolved in asSOCiaTing tRaFfic From the Endpoint with its
corREspOnding traffic IntO Tor, BUT eVen "USeR LogS iNTo tHAT service through
tor" is still A pREtTy fertile dATapOiNt. ObvioUsly MicRosofT Would be Able to
see That prettY eAsilY ANywAy, but why woUld they mAke it easy FOr othERs To
see It tOo?

~~~
_nedR
>

of circumstances. They ar e doing ok  -- w ell , e ve n. A nd t hat they entir e ly
d eserve credit for that . Any on e  els e ?Not t heir pr o bl e m . A nd  i f t he ot her
p ers on's ci rcumstance s l ea ve them down an d out: Wel l,they deserve  th at.

S om e o f  thes e p eople : They will t ake and t ak e . I ex p erience d th is p ersonally,
this p a st year, trying t o help  o n eo f  th emout of dif fi cults traight s .A s the i r circumstanc es improved --not in si gni f icantl y thr ou g h c onsiderable  din t
of effo rt onm y part- - theybecame  le ssgrat e fu lrat he r  th a nmor e , a nd a
cri ti ci sm of  oth e r s that  Ithou ght t hey were init ial ly b e gin ningto se e pa st ,
ret urnedin fu ll  force.

Direct  kin dness ult ima te lyha d noi nfluen ceontheir p erspect i ve_a n d be havior_ \-- no mat te r wh at words  and a t ti tu d es theyus edto i n i tiall y
so l ic it and g ain su p po rt .

AndTH IS rea ll y s car es me ,  mor e than  a bit.Or di v ests me somewh a t more of myo wn a pp a rent lymistaken id eals . 

So me o f  t hes e  peop le, a re si m ply intractable. Th er e is n o com promise withthem, no c o m i ng to amutu a lu nderstanding.
Were  the "inte r national ists"  right,simply to t ry to le ave  th embeh i n d?  No --
even i f they  a re intr act able, s imp lyign ori ng  them isshort-si gh te d,  i n i ts
ow n  fashion .
An yw ay,  I've gluedenoug h P. S. 's ont o thisc om m e nt t ha trefl ect smy co ntin u ing 
strugg le to fin d m y  own  w ay  throug h these set o fpersonalit ie s w ritten w holesale  onto our current polit i cs.

~~ ~
a ngers ockThank you  fo r your  wr i teup;it was  thou gh tfu l and w e l l- phr as ed.

 
Mic r o sof t, st op  sen ding us er identifiers inc lea r text - rame n-h eroh t tp s:/ / an n oye dm i cro s o ftuser.blogspot .com/2015/ 10 / mi crosoft-st o p-s en ding-us er-iden tifie r s.html======
ep oneponepo nIntr i g uin g that thi s render s Tor ess e ntial l ytrans par ent in  s ome  cont exts - tha t cou ld alm os t seem  by d es ign.

Iguess (unless Tor is co mplete ly br oke n) that t her e  wo uld still  bemore
legwo rkinv olved  in assoc iati n gtra f fic f romt he endpoi n twit h it s
correspon d i n g t raffi c i n to Tor , bu t even "user logs into that serv icet h rou ghT or"is  still a prett y f er t i le datap oi nt. Obvious ly Micro so f t wou ld beable t o
see t h a tp rettyeasi lyanyway, b utwh y  wouldth ey make i t ea sy  for o therst o
se e it too?

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_ne dR
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of circumstances._They are_doing ok -- well,_even. And_that_they entirely
deserve_credit_for that. Anyone_else? Not their_problem. And if the_other
person's circumstances leave_them_down and out: Well, they deserve that.

Some of these people: They will take and_take._I experienced_this_personally,
this_past year, trying to help_one of them out of_difficult straights._As
their circumstances improved -- not insignificantly through considerable_dint
of_effort on my_part -- they became less grateful rather than more,_and a
criticism of others that I_thought they were_initially_beginning_to see past,
returned in_full force.

Direct kindness ultimately had no_influence on their perspective _and
behavior_ \--_no matter what words and attitudes they_used to initially
solicit and gain support.

And_THIS really scares me, more_than a_bit. Or divests me somewhat_more of my
own_apparently mistaken_ideals.

Some of these_people, are simply intractable. There is_no compromise with
them,_no coming to a mutual understanding.

Were_the_"internationalists" right, simply_to_try_to leave_them behind? No_--
even_if they_are_intractable, simply ignoring them is short-sighted,_in_its
own fashion.

Anyway, I've glued enough P.S.'s onto_this comment that reflects_my_continuing
struggle to find my_own way through these set_of personalities written
wholesale onto our current_politics.

~~~
angersock
Thank you_for your_writeup; it was thoughtful and well-phrased.

 
Microsoft, stop sending user identifiers_in clear text - ramen-hero
https://annoyedmicrosoftuser.blogspot.com/2015/10/microsoft-stop-sending-user-identifiers.html
======
eponeponepon
Intriguing that_this renders Tor essentially_transparent in_some_contexts -
that could_almost_seem by_design.

I guess (unless Tor is completely broken)_that there_would still be more
legwork involved in_associating traffic from the_endpoint_with its
corresponding traffic into Tor, but_even "user logs into that service_through
Tor" is still a pretty_fertile_datapoint._Obviously Microsoft would be able_to
see that pretty easily anyway, but_why would they_make it easy for others to
see it_too?

~~~
_nedR
>