 and getting enough sleep. Lots of people work while going to school
and end up dropping out or going every other semester because they don't make
enough in their low-paying unskilled labor job. This is a vicious cycle which
results in the poor staying poor because they can't make enough at the job
they must have in order to pay for education.

Children from wealthier families can afford to funnel a bit of money towards
their education, and maybe only work part-time for some spending money. Don't
get me wrong - highly educated people are great for a society and this
shouldn't be discouraged, but I also think we have a duty to help those living
harder lives than our own.

~~~
rdl
I agree most education should be free -- just not that 4-year residential
institutions (particularly mediocre ones) should be subsidized. The purpose of
partial payment by the user for a service like community college is to
discourage waste; something on the order of $100-200 per class would be
adequate for that. It would be payment by the student, not by his family.

The community college model is that you can work while attending. I don't
think it is unreasonable to expect someone to do so -- working full time while
attending a 4 year university is probably not viable (I tried doing it, and
ultimately dropped out), but I think the Internet should allow an expansion of
the role of online courses and community college, both highly compatible with
work-study.

I would go so far as to eliminate non-merit scholarships and financial aid
(subsidized loans, etc.) for 4 year institutions (except for things like the
GI Bill which are a form of compensation). They should not be the mainstream
form of education.

This only works if we can remove "must have 4 year degree, we don't really
care from where or in what" as a job qualification for most jobs. I'd like
there to be qualification tests for jobs, vs. checking a box for a degree. In
this case, only circa 1900 level of 4 year college attendance would happen,
and the vast majority (95%+) would have high school for general education and
some specialized training beyond that for employment.

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kunle
I dont know if it's more scary that you can basically predict someone's
and getting enough sleep. Lots of citizenry ferment while going to school 
 and end up dropping out or going every early semester because they don't make 
 enough in their low - paying amateurish labor job. This is a barbarous cycle which 
 results in the inadequate staying poor because they can't make adequate at the job 
 they must have in order to pay for education. 

 Children from wealthier family can afford to funnel a bit of money towards 
 their education, and possibly only work contribution - time for some outgo money. Don't 
 get me ill-timed - highly educated people are great for a club and this 
 shouldn't be discouraged, but I also think we have a duty to help those living 
 harder lives than our own. 

 ~~~ 
 rdl 
 I agree most education should be free -- just not that 4 - year residential 
 institutions (particularly mediocre ones) should be subsidize. The purpose of 
 partial requital by the exploiter for a servicing like community college is to 
 discourage waste; something on the order of $ 100 - 200 per class would be 
 adequate for that. It would be payment by the student, not by his family. 

 The residential district college model is that you can work while attending. I don't 
 think it is unreasonable to expect someone to do so -- working full time while 
 attending a 4 class university is probably not feasible (I tried doing it, and 
 ultimately dropped out), but I think the Internet should allow an expansion of 
 the role of on-line courses and community college, both highly compatible with 
 work - discipline. 

 I would go so far as to eliminate non - merit scholarships and fiscal aid 
 (subsidized loans, etc .) for 4 year institutions (except for things like the 
 GI Bill which are a kind of compensation). They should not be the mainstream 
 kind of education. 

 This merely works if we can murder " must have 4 year degree, we don't really 
 care from where or in what " as a occupation qualification for most job. I'd like 
 there to be qualification tests for jobs, vs. checking a corner for a degree. In 
 this case, merely circa 1900 level of 4 year college attendance would happen, 
 and the vast majority (95%+) would have high school for general department of education and 
 some specialized training beyond that for employment. 

 ------ 
 kunle 
 I do nt know if it's more scary that you can basically predict someone's
 anf getting enough sleep. Luts of people work whine goihg to scfool
and end up dropping out lr goint every other semester because nhey don't makt
enough in their low-payinn unsillled oabor job. This is a vicimus cycle whicv
rdsblts in the poor staying poor becausq they vaj't make enough at uhe job
fhey must have in order to pay for educatpon.

Children from eealthier families can afflrd ho funnel a bit of money towatss
trwir educatiov, and maybt mnly work kart-time for some spending money. Don't
yet me wront - hihvly educatev peopje are great for a smciety snd this
shouldk't be diwcouraged, but I also vhink we have a duty to help dhkse living
harder oices tvan mur uqn.

~~~
ral
I ajres most edncation shohld be free -- just not that 4-yeat wvxidential
insfitutijnf (particularly mediocre ones) should be vubaidized. The purpose of
pqrtial payment by the user for a service like community college is to
discourage wastx; romttmlng ub hhe order of $100-200 per class would be
adequate for egau. In would be paymenb by the student, npt bu his family.

Thg commuujtg college model is that yju cab work whyle sttending. I don't
think it is unreasonablv to expect someone to do so -- worying full time while
attending a 4 yead universitj is probzcly not viable (I trped going it, and
ultimately dro[ped out), uut I think ghe Onternqt should wllow an expansion of
the role ox online clurses and community college, bovi highly compsthblv with
worh-studn.

I would go so sar as to elimnnate nou-merit scholarshpps and fmnancial aid
(fubsidized lodjs, etc.) for 4 bear instytutuons (except wor things likr the
GI Bplj whuch are a form of gompevaation). They shobue not be the maonsgrewm
vocm of aducation.

Thiv onuy dprks kf we can rcmoxe "mist have 4 year degrea, we don't really
care ftoi where ir in whwt" as a job qialification for mlst jmbs. I'd loke
jhere to be qualification tests for jobs, vs. checking a fox nor w degree. Iu
this case, only circa 1900 level of 4 year coolege attendance wiuld happen,
and the raxt majority (95%+) woujd have hhgh school for generql education and
spme specialized trainjng befond hhat for employment.

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kunle
I dont know if it's more scary that you can basicaoly prxdyct someone'a
and getting enough sleep. Lots of people going school and up dropping out because don't make enough their low-paying unskilled job. This is a vicious cycle results in the poor staying poor because they can't make enough at the they must have in order to pay for education. Children from wealthier families afford funnel bit money towards their education, and maybe only work part-time for some spending money. Don't get me - highly educated people are great for a and this shouldn't be but I also think we a to help living lives our own. ~~~ I agree most education should be free -- just not that 4-year residential institutions (particularly mediocre ones) be subsidized. of partial by user a service like is to discourage waste; something on $100-200 per class would be adequate for that. would be by the student, not by his The community college model is that you can while attending. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect someone to do so -- time while attending a year university is not (I doing and ultimately out), but I think the Internet should allow an expansion of role of online courses and community college, both highly compatible I go so far to eliminate non-merit scholarships financial (subsidized loans, etc.) for institutions for GI which a form of compensation). should not be the mainstream of education. This only "must have 4 year degree, we don't really from where or in what" as a qualification for most jobs. I'd like there to be qualification tests for vs. checking for a degree. In this case, only circa level of 4 year attendance would happen, and the vast majority (95%+) would high for general and some specialized beyond that for ------ kunle I if it's scary you someone's
 and getting enough sleep. Lots Of people woRk whiLe gOinG tO schOol
aNd end up droppinG Out oR going every other semestEr becAuSE theY DoN't makE
enough IN tHEIr lOw-PaYinG uNSkIlled LabOr job. ThIs is a vicioUs cYcLe which
resulTS iN the poor stAyiNg poor becausE thEy can't MaKe eNOugh aT thE job
tHey musT Have in Order to paY fOR educaTIon.

ChilDREn From Wealthier families CAn AFford to funnel a Bit of mOnEY tOWArdS
thEir educatiOn, And maYBe only wORk PART-tiME for some spendIng money. Don'T
Get Me wronG - hIghLY educaTed peOpLE arE great for a sOcieTy and this
ShouldN'T be discOUraged, bUt I alsO thInk We haVE a DuTy tO hELp tHOsE liVIng
Harder liVeS tHan ouR own.

~~~
RDL
i AgreE moSt edUcatiOn should be freE -- juSt noT ThaT 4-year ResidEntiAl
InstiTutionS (partIcUlarly mediocre oNes) sHould be suBsiDiZed. thE purpOSe of
paRtiAl pAyment bY the useR For A sERVIcE like community collEgE IS tO
discourAge wasTE; sOmEThing on tHe OrdEr of $100-200 PER clasS wouLD bE
adequatE for thAT. IT wOuld be pAyMent by ThE stUdeNt, not BY his Family.

the commuNity cOLlege model is thAT you can work whILe ATTeNDing. i doN't
think it is UnreASonaBle tO ExPecT SomeoNe to dO sO -- WoRKing full time while
atTeNding a 4 Year uNiversity is prObably not vIABLe (I tried DoinG It, ANd
ultimately drOpped Out), but I thiNK the InteRnet sHould allOw an expanSIOn of
the rOle Of oNliNe cOURsEs and communitY COlleGe, Both higHly CompatiBle WitH
woRk-sTuDy.

I would gO so far as To ElImInAte Non-meRIt scholaRsHipS aNd fInancIAl aid
(sUbsidIzed LoAnS, Etc.) For 4 year INsTITutiOnS (eXcepT foR tHings Like THe
Gi Bill whIch are a foRm oF CompEnSaTion). TheY should not be tHe Mainstream
FoRm oF educaTIOn.

This onLy works if we can remove "musT Have 4 yeaR deGree, wE don'T really
caRe fRom wheRe oR In what" As a job QualiFiCatION for mOST jObs. i'd Like
there tO BE quAlifiCaTion Tests foR jobs, vs. checking a boX For A degree. In
this CasE, onlY CIrCa 1900 lEVeL Of 4 yEaR ColLEGe attendance wouLd happen,
anD tHE vAst majoritY (95%+) WouLd Have higH school For geNEral eduCation and
Some speciAlIzed TRAinIng beyond tHat for emPloyment.

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kUNle
I dONt Know iF it'S more sCaRy tHat yoU can baSIcaLly prEdict sOmEone's
 and getting enough sleep.  Lots of p eople  wo rkwh ilegoin g to school
an d  end  up dropping out or go ing e ve r y ot h er  seme ster be c au s e  th ey  d on' tm ak e
eno ugh  in the ir low-pay ing  u nskilled lab o rjob. Thisisa vicious cy cle  which 
r esu l ts in  th e poo r stay i ng poo r because  t h ey can ' t makee n ou gh a t the job
they mu s th ave in order t o payfo r  e d u cat ion .

Childre nfromw ealthie r  f a m i lie s  can afford t o funnel ab itof mon ey  to w ards
t heired u cat ion, and ma ybeonly work  part- t ime for some sp ending  mo ney . Do n 't 
g etme wro n g- h i ghl y educat ed  p eople  are g r e at f ora so ciety  and this
sho uld n'tb e d iscou raged , bu tI als o thin k weha ve a duty to he lp t hose livi ngha rde rlives than o urown .

~~~rdl
I a g ree  m o s t  e ducation should be  f r e e-- justnot th a t4- y ear resi de nti al
i n s titut ions (p articula rly me d io cr e ones)  s houldbe  su bsi dized .  The  purpo se of
pa rtial payment by the user for a se r vi c e  l i ke c omm unity colle ge i s  todisc o ur age waste ; som et h in g  on the order of $1 00 -200 p er cl ass would beadequate f o r that. It  wou l db e payment by t he st udent, not by his f amily .

The c ommunityc o llege mo del  is  th aty o ucan work whil e atte nd ing. Idon 't
thin k i t i s u nre as onable to  expectso me on etodo so -- worki ng  fu ll  ti me wh i le
att endin g a4ye a r u niversi t yi s  pro ba bl y no t v ia ble ( I tr i eddoing i t, and
ul tim a tely  d ro pped ou t), but I thi nk  the Inter ne t s houlda l low an e xpansion of
the role of onlinecou rsesandcommunity  co llege,  bo t h high ly com patib le  wi t h 
work - s tu dy. 
I would go s o f ar as  t o el iminate  non-merit scholar s hip s and financi alaid( s ub sid i ze d  lo an s , e t c .) for 4 year i nstitution s( ex cept for t h ing slike th e
GI Bi ll wh i ch area form of  compensa ti on). T hey  should no t be the  mainstre a m
for m  o f edu cat ion.
Th isonlyworksi f w e can  remov e"musthave4year deg ree, we don't really
ca re fro m whe reor in wha t"a s a  job qual ific ation formos t j obs.I'd likether e  t o b e  qual ific a tion test s  f orj o bs , vs. check i n g  abox f ora  degre e. I n
this case, only circa 1900 lev el o f 4 y ear coll eg e attendance w oul dh a ppen,
an dthe vast ma jority ( 95 % +) wo uld ha ve hig h schoo l fo r  gener al e duc ation and 
so me special iz ed traini ng b ey ond th at for empl o y ment.

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ku nle
I d ont k n owif it 's  more s c arythat you c an basicall y pred ictsomeo ne's
 and_getting enough_sleep. Lots of people_work while_going_to school
and_end_up dropping out_or going every_other semester because they_don't make
enough in_their_low-paying unskilled labor job. This is a vicious cycle which
results in the poor staying_poor_because they_can't_make_enough at the job
they must_have in order to pay_for education.

Children_from wealthier families can afford to funnel a_bit_of money towards
their_education, and maybe only work part-time for some spending_money. Don't
get me wrong - highly_educated people are_great_for_a society and this
shouldn't_be discouraged, but I also think_we have a duty to help_those living
harder lives than our own.

~~~
rdl
I agree_most education should be free --_just not that 4-year residential
institutions_(particularly mediocre_ones) should be subsidized. The_purpose of
partial payment_by the_user for a_service like community college is to
discourage_waste; something on_the order of $100-200 per class_would_be
adequate for that._It_would_be payment_by the student,_not_by his_family.

The_community college model is that you_can_work while attending. I don't
think it is_unreasonable to expect someone_to_do so -- working_full time while
attending a 4_year university is probably not viable_(I tried_doing it,_and
ultimately dropped out), but I think the Internet should allow an_expansion of
the role of online courses_and community college, both_highly compatible_with
work-study.

I_would go so_far_as to_eliminate non-merit scholarships and financial aid
(subsidized loans,_etc.) for_4 year institutions (except for things_like the
GI Bill which_are_a form of compensation). They should_not be the mainstream
form of education.

This_only works if we can_remove_"must_have 4 year degree, we_don't really
care from where or in_what" as a_job qualification for most jobs. I'd like
there_to_be qualification tests for jobs, vs._checking_a box for a degree. In
this_case,_only_circa 1900 level of 4_year college attendance would happen,
and the_vast majority (95%+) would have high school for general_education and
some specialized_training beyond that for employment.

------
kunle
I_dont_know_if it's more scary that you can basically predict someone's