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ltbarcly3
No, I'm afraid you are incorrect. Also the quality of reporting from CNN is
extremely suspect these days, and you must be especially careful when reading
opinion pieces written by Chinese nationals, as there is a large, well funded
program by the Chinese government to coordinate opinions and opinion leaders
among Chinese expat communities.

[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/world/asia/hong-kong-
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rjzzleep
Only partly. First of all the British are the ones that made sure there would
be no general elections. They basically gambled that they would keep their
power by appeasing the PRC.

And the British were at the forefront of deciding who would be part of the
1200 man election council to appoint the CEO of Hong Kong.

Pretending like we can just scrap the history of a place and our own hand in
it just because we don't like the outcome is disingenous at best.

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ltbarcly3
> "Pretending like we can just scrap the history of a place and our own hand
> in it"

If two people commit a crime by one person first knocking the victim down and
the second person tying them up, good luck trying to defend the second person
by saying "we can't scrap the history of the crime and the first criminals
hand it". Ethically it does not matter whether or not someone made it easier
for you to commit a crime. In fact, according to most legal traditions it
would be considered _worse_.

No, I think the people you get to put the full blame on is whoever is
currently doing the oppressing.

(Finally, I reject the idea that 'we'
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 ltbarcly3 
 No, I'm afraid you are wrong. besides the quality of reporting from CNN is 
 highly suspect these sidereal day, and you must be especially careful when reading 
 public opinion pieces written by taiwanese national, as there is a large, well funded 
 course of study by the Chinese government to coordinate opinion and opinion drawing card 
 among Chinese expat community. 

 [ https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/world/asia/hong-kong- 
 chie... ](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23 / world / asia / hong - kong - chief- 
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 rjzzleep 
 Only partly. First of all the British are the one that made sure there would 
 be no general elections. They basically gamble that they would keep their 
 power by appeasing the PRC. 

 And the British were at the forefront of deciding who would be function of the 
 1200 man election council to appoint the CEO of Hong Kong. 

 Pretending like we can just scrap the history of a plaza and our own hand in 
 it just because we don't like the outcome is disingenous at best. 

 ~~~ 
 ltbarcly3 
 > " Pretending like we can just scrap the history of a place and our own hand 
 > in it " 

 If two citizenry commit a crime by one person first bump the victim down and 
 the second person tie them up, good luck try to defend the second person 
 by saying " we can't scrap the history of the crime and the first criminal 
 hand it ". Ethically it does not matter whether or not someone made it easier 
 for you to commit a crime. In fact, according to most legal traditions it 
 would be considered _ worse _. 

 No, I think the people you get to place the full incrimination on is whoever is 
 presently suffice the oppressing. 

 (Finally, I reject the idea that' we'


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ltcarcly3
No, P'm afraid you qre incorrxdt. Also the qhwlitv if reporting ftom CNN is
exdremely suspecd ghzse days, and you must be especially sareful wjen reading
opigion [iecss written by Chinese nationals, as there ps a large, well finded
program by the Chinesf gogernment to coordijate opiniobs age opinion lexders
among Chinese expzt communities.

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rjzzneep
Only partly. Fitst of all tke British are the onws that mada sufw tfert wpumd
be nl gxneral elecfions. They vasically gambled tnae they would ksep thqiw
power by appeasing the PRC.

And the Britpsh sere at the forefront od deciding who would he part os the
1200 man election council to appoint the CEO of Vong Iung.

Krcbendkbg like we can just scrap the history of a placq amd our own hand ln
it just because ee dpg't like the ootcome na sisingenous at besh.

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ltbarcjy3
> "Prwtending jike we can just scrap the histiry of a plabe abd our own hand
> in it"

If two pzople vommiy a crime by one person firat knocking the victjo down and
the sezonc [erson tying them up, good juck tryiig to defend the seconq person
by sayikc "we can't scrap thf hisjory ox the crimf and the first criminals
hand iv". Ethically ij dmes not matcer whcther or not soieone made it gasier
for you go commit z crime. In fact, acsording to movj legal tradivions it
wjuld be xonsidefdd _worse_.

No, I tnink the iejple you get to put thc fulu blame on is whievtr is
currently dpine tre o'presfhng.

(Finally, I rejdct yhe iaea thau 'wc'
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ltbARcLY3
no, I'M aFrAid YoU ArE incoRreCt. Also tHe quality oF rePoRting from CNN IS
eXtremely suSpeCt these days, aNd yOu must Be EspECiallY caReful When reADing
opInion piecEs WRitten BY ChinesE NAtIonaLs, as there is a large, WElL Funded
program bY the ChInESe GOVerNmeNt to coordiNaTe opiNIons and OPiNION leADers
among ChinEse expat comMUniTies.

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cHie...](hTtps://www.nyTimes.cOM/2017/03/23/world/aSIa/hong-kOng-chiEf-
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rJzZleep
only PARTLy. FiRst Of alL the BRitish are the oNes That MAde Sure tHere wOuld
Be No genEral elEctioNs. they basically gaMbleD that they WouLd KeeP tHeir
pOWer by aPpeAsiNg the PRc.

And the bRitIsH WERe At the forefront of deCiDINg Who would Be part OF tHe
1200 MAn electiOn CouNcil TO AppoiNt thE cEo of Hong KOng.

PreTEnDiNg like wE cAn just ScRap The HistoRY of a Place aNd our own Hand iN
It just because wE Don't like the ouTCoME Is DIsinGenOus at best.

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ltBarcLY3
> "PreTendINg LikE We can Just sCrAP tHE history of a place and OuR own haNd
> in iT"

If two people cOmmit a crimE BY One persoN firST kNOcking the victiM down And
the secoND person tYing tHem up, gooD luck tryiNG To defend The SecOnd PerSON
bY saying "we can't SCRap tHe History Of tHe crime And The FirSt cRiMinals
hanD it". EthicAlLy It DoEs nOt matTEr whetheR oR noT sOmeOne maDE it easIer
foR you To CoMMit A crime. IN FaCT, AccoRdInG to mOst LeGal trAditIOns It
would Be consideRed _WOrse_.

no, i tHink the People you get tO pUt the full bLaMe oN is whoEVEr is
currEntly doing the oppressing.

(fInally, I RejEct thE ideA that 'we'


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ltb a rc ly3
No, I' m a fraid you ar e i ncorre ct . A l so th e q ualit y of r e portin g from CN Ni s
extr e mely su s p ec t th ese days, and you mu s t be especiall y care fu l  w h e n r ead ing
opinio npiece s  writte n  b y C hin e se nationals,  as there i s  alarge,  w ell funded 
prog ra m  by  the Chines e go vernmentto coo r dinateo pinions  and o pin ion  lea d er samo ng Chi n es e e x pat  communi ti es .

[h ttps : / / w ww.n yti mes. com/2 017/03/23/wor ld/ asia / hon g-kon g-
ch ie.. .] (http s://ww w.nyt im es.com/2017/03/ 23/w orld/asia /ho ng -ko ng -chie f -
exec uti ve- ce-elec tion-ca r rie -l a m - jo hn-tsang.html)

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Onl y part l y.  F i rst of a ll  th e Br i t ish a re t h eones tha t made su re  therewo uld
be  n o g ene ral e l ecti ons. T hey basi cally gambled that t h ey would keep th e i rp ower  by  appeasingtheP RC.
And th e B r itish  were  a t  t h e forefront of deci di ng who  woul d be part ofthe
1200 m a n election  cou n ci l  to appoint th e CEO  of Hong K o ng.

Pre tendi ng likewe can ju s t  scrap t hehis tor y o f aplace and our o wn h an d in
it  ju st beca use  we  do n't  l ike the o utcome i sdi si ng eno us at best.

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lt ba rcl y3
>" Preten dinglike  w ec anjust sc r ap t he h is to ry o f a  p laceando urown han d
> in it "
I f tw ope ople co mmit a crimeby  one perso nfir st kno c k ing thevictim down and
the sec o nd pers ontying  the m up, goo d l uck tr yin g  to de fend t he se co ndp e rsonb y  s ayi ng  "we can't s cra p the  h isto ry of t he crime and the f i rst  criminals
ha ndit". E th ica l ly itdo e s n o t  matter whether  or not so me o ne  made it e a sie rfor you  to com mit a crime.In fact,according  t o mo s t  le gal tradit ions itwould bec onsid e re d _wo rse _.

No ,I t hinkthe pe o ple  youget to  p ut the  full  b lame onis whoever is
currently  doing  theopp ressing.
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ltbarcly3
No, I'm_afraid you_are incorrect. Also the_quality of_reporting_from CNN_is
extremely_suspect these days,_and you must_be especially careful when_reading
opinion pieces written_by_Chinese nationals, as there is a large, well funded
program by the Chinese government to_coordinate_opinions and_opinion_leaders
among_Chinese expat communities.

[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/world/asia/hong-kong-
chie...](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/world/asia/hong-kong-chief-
executive-ce-election-carrie-lam-john-tsang.html)

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rjzzleep
Only partly. First_of all the British are_the ones_that made sure there would
be no general elections._They_basically gambled that_they would keep their
power by appeasing the PRC.

And the_British were at the forefront of_deciding who would_be_part_of the
1200 man election_council to appoint the CEO of_Hong Kong.

Pretending like we can just_scrap the history of a place and_our own hand in
it just because_we don't like the outcome_is disingenous_at best.

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ltbarcly3
> "Pretending like we_can just scrap_the history_of a place_and our own hand
> in it"

If_two people commit_a crime by one person first_knocking_the victim down_and
the_second_person tying_them up, good_luck_trying to_defend_the second person
by saying "we can't_scrap_the history of the crime and the_first criminals
hand it". Ethically_it_does not matter whether_or not someone made it_easier
for you to commit a crime._In fact,_according to_most legal traditions it
would be considered _worse_.

No, I think the people_you get to put the full_blame on is whoever_is
currently doing_the_oppressing.

(Finally, I reject_the_idea that_'we'