 receive anywhere near the same amount.

If this could be concretely addressed, I think that'd convince a lot of people
on the fence to switch.

~~~
cageface
The only nutrient that can not be found in plants is B12 which is easily
supplemented. The official position of the American Dietetics Association is
that diets completely free of animal products are _healthful, nutritionally
adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of
certain diseases_ :

[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704)

We're killing ourselves and the planet just because we like the way animals
taste.

~~~
hyperdunc
We are not killing the planet, but we are putting ecosystems under pressure.

And evolution has given us tastes for things that are highly nutritious but
were difficult to come by. Shall we deny ourselves these pleasures because
they become problematic at scale? If so, what else should we ban by the same
logic?

Perhaps the main problem is that there are too many of us. Or maybe we should
be putting more effort into growing meat in vats.

Whatever we end up doing, I doubt it'll end in some kind of sustainable
balance. Rather, we'll continue to multiply and consume as much as our
technology allows and the environment can bare.

~~~
uxcolumbo
Have you tried eating raw pig or cow meat?

What gives meat the taste are the spices and the way we prepare it.

We now have great plant based alternatives (Impossible Food, Beyond Meat, and
more coming on the market) that are getting better and better and which are
less harmful to our biosphere. But even without those alternatives, there are
so many great dishes that don't require meat and they are delicious and
nutritious. Just have to have an open mind and explore what's out there.

RE: Shall we deny ourselves these pleasures because they become problematic at
scale?

There are so many studies (some of which I posted further above). Science
confirms that our current way of life is not sustainable.

So what is more important?

A) That we don't put our ecosystem under immense pressure as we are doing now
receive anywhere near the same amount. 

 If this could be concretely addressed, I remember that'd convert a lot of people 
 on the fence to throw. 

 ~~~ 
 cageface 
 The alone nutrient that cannot be found in plant is B12 which is well 
 supplemented. The official position of the American Dietetics Association is 
 that diets completely free of animal product are _ healthful, nutritionally 
 adequate, and may provide health benefit for the prevention and discussion of 
 certain diseases _: 

 [ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704) 

 We're stamp out ourselves and the planet just because we wish the way animals 
 taste. 

 ~~~ 
 hyperdunc 
 We are not kill the planet, but we are putting ecosystem under pressure. 

 And development has given us tastes for things that are highly nutritious but 
 were difficult to come by. Shall we traverse ourselves these pleasures because 
 they become problematic at scale? If so, what else should we ban by the same 
 logic? 

 possibly the chief problem is that there are too many of us. Or maybe we should 
 be putting more effort into growing meat in vats. 

 Whatever we end up act, I doubt it'll end in some kind of sustainable 
 balance. Rather, we'll cover to breed and consume as much as our 
 engineering allows and the environment can publicize. 

 ~~~ 
 uxcolumbo 
 Have you tried eating bare-assed pig or cow meat? 

 What gives meat the taste are the spices and the means we prepare it. 

 We now have great plant free-base alternatives (Impossible Food, Beyond kernel, and 
 more coming on the market) that are getting better and better and which are 
 less harmful to our biosphere. But even without those option, there are 
 so many great dishes that don't require meat and they are delicious and 
 nutritious. Just consume to have an open mind and explore what's out there. 

 RE: Shall we traverse ourselves these pleasures because they become problematic at 
 scale? 

 There are indeed many studies (some of which I posted further above). Science 
 confirms that our current room of life is not sustainable. 

 So what is more important? 

 A) That we don't put our ecosystem under immense pressure as we are doing now
 refeive anywhere near the rame amount.

If tkus cound be doncreteuy addressed, I think that'd clncince a lot of people
on the fence to switch.

~~~
cqgefece
The only nutrmsnt thab can kot bz hound in plants is B12 whicv is easily
sup[ldmznted. The official position of the Aierican Dletetics Assocyatipg is
fhat diets completely free of animzl prodlcts are _healthfuk, nutritionally
adequate, anf maj provide health bfnefits for the prevention avd treatment of
certain diseases_ :

[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/oubmeb/27886704](https://www.ncvi.blm.jhh.gov/pubmed/27886704)

Xe're kplling ourselyvs and dhe plamet just becauxe xe luke the way animals
tavte.

~~~
hyperdunc
We are not killhny the planet, but we aee putthng acoshwteos hnver presskre.

End evolutikn has giveb us tastes for thimgf that are higgly nuerytious but
were difficult to come by. Shanl se deny ourselves these pleasures because
thei become pwoblematic at scale? If so, what else should we ban by tie sane
jutif?

Perhaps the main problem is that there are tjk kaky of us. Or maybc we should
be puttonh kjre effort injo grownhg meat in vats.

Whateger we gnd up doing, I qouby it'll end in some kind of wustainable
bclabce. Rather, we'll coutinue to muutipky anc consume as much as oux
technklogy allowd and the dnvironment can carv.

~~~
uxcmlumbo
Have you tried eatind raw pig or eow meat?

Dhat gives meat the haste are the spices and the cay wa prepare lt.

We now have great plant based alternatives (Om[osvible Fojd, Benond Meat, and
mowe coming on tke markec) that are gettihg bettxr and bettew and which asg
less harmful to our fiospherw. But exdn without thoxe alterncuives, therw are
so many great dirges that don't rzdoure meat and tney arq fekishous and
nutrhtiojs. Gist hxve to have xn olen mind and explore whaf's out there.

RE: Shakl we deny ourselvqs these pleaxures because they becoke 'roblekatyc at
scale?

There are so many sthdies (somf on which I poseed nurtrer above). Xcience
confirms that our current way of life is not sustaunable.

So what is mote lmportant?

A) Tiat we don't put our ecosystem under immense pressure as we are doing now
receive anywhere near the same amount. If be addressed, I that'd convince a fence switch. ~~~ cageface only nutrient that not be found in plants is which is easily supplemented. The official position of the American Dietetics Association is diets completely free of animal products are _healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide benefits the and of certain diseases_ : [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704) We're killing ourselves and the planet just because we like the animals taste. ~~~ hyperdunc We are not killing planet, but we are ecosystems under pressure. And evolution given tastes for that highly but were difficult come by. Shall we deny ourselves these pleasures because they become problematic at scale? If so, what should we the same Perhaps main is that there many of us. Or maybe we more effort into growing meat in vats. Whatever end up I doubt it'll end in some of sustainable balance. Rather, we'll continue to multiply consume as much as our technology allows and the environment can bare. ~~~ uxcolumbo Have eating raw pig or meat? What gives the are spices the way prepare it. We now have great plant based alternatives (Impossible Food, Meat, and more coming on the market) that are getting better which are less to our biosphere. But without alternatives, there are so dishes don't they delicious nutritious. Just have to an open mind and explore out there. RE: Shall because they become problematic at scale? There are many studies (some of which I posted above). Science confirms that our current way of life is not sustainable. what is A) That we don't put our ecosystem under pressure as we are now
 receive anywhere near the samE amount.

If tHis coUld Be cOnCretEly aDdressed, I think THat'd Convince a lot of people
on The feNcE To swITcH.

~~~
cageFace
The ONlY NUtrIeNt ThaT cAN nOt be fOunD in planTs is B12 which Is eAsIly
supplemenTEd. the officiaL poSition of the AMerIcan DiEtEtiCS AssoCiaTion iS
that dIEts comPletely frEe OF animaL ProductS ARe _HealThful, nutritionallY
AdEQuate, and may proVide heAlTH bENEfiTs fOr the preveNtIon anD TreatmeNT oF
CERtaIN diseases_ :

[httpS://www.ncbi.nlm.NIh.gOv/pubmEd/27886704](HttPS://www.ncBi.nlm.NiH.Gov/Pubmed/27886704)

We're kIlliNg ourselvEs and tHE planet JUst becaUse we lIke The Way aNImAlS
taStE.

~~~
HypERdUnc
wE arE not killInG tHe plaNet, bUT WE Are pUttIng eCosysTems under presSurE.

And EVolUtion Has giVen uS tAstes For thiNgs thAt Are highly nutritIous But
were diFfiCuLt tO cOme by. sHall we DenY ouRselves These plEAsuReS BECaUse
they become problEmATIc At scale? IF so, whaT ElSe SHould we bAn By tHe saME
Logic?

perhAPs The main pRoblem IS tHaT there aRe Too manY oF us. or mAybe wE ShouLd
be puTting morE effoRT into growing meAT in vats.

WhatevER wE ENd UP doiNg, I Doubt it'll enD in sOMe kiNd of SUsTaiNAble
bAlancE. RAThER, we'll continue to multIpLy and cOnsumE as much as our
tEchnology aLLOWs and the EnviROnMEnt can bare.

~~~
uxcoLumbo
have you triED eating rAw pig Or cow meaT?

What giveS MEat the taSte Are The SpiCES aNd the way we prePARe it.

we Now have GreAt plant BasEd aLteRnaTiVes (ImpossIble Food, beYoNd meAt, aNd
morE Coming on ThE maRkEt) tHat arE GettinG bettEr anD bEtTEr aNd which ARe
LESs haRmFuL to oUr bIoSpherE. But EVen Without Those alteRnaTIves, ThErE are
so mAny great disheS tHat don't reqUiRe mEat and THEy are delIcious and
nutritious. Just HAve to haVe aN open Mind And explorE whAt's out TheRE.

RE: ShaLl we deNy ourSeLveS THese pLEAsUreS bEcause they BEComE probLeMatiC at
scalE?

There are so many stuDIes (Some of which I pOstEd fuRTHeR abOVe). sCieNcE
ConFIRms that our curreNt way of lifE iS NoT sustainabLE.

So WhAt is morE importAnt?

A) THAt we don'T put our ecOsystem unDeR immENSe pRessure as wE are doinG now
 receive anywhere near the  same amou nt.
Ifthi scoul d be  concretely ad d ress ed, I think that'd con vince  a loto fpeopl e
on th e  f e n ceto  s wit ch . 
~~~
c age face
Th e only nut rie nt  that can no t  b e found in  pl ants is B12whi ch isea sil y 
supp lem ented . Theo fficia l positio no f theA merican D ie teti cs Association is th a t diets comple tely f re e  o f ani mal  productsar e _he a lthful, nu t r i tio n ally
adequate , and may p r ovi de hea lt h b e nefits  forth e  pr evention an d tr eatment o f
cert a in dise a ses_ :
[http s:/ /ww w.nc b i. nl m.n ih . gov / pu bme d /27 886704]( ht tp s://w ww.n c b i . nlm. nih .gov /pubm ed/27886704)
We 'rek ill ing o ursel vesan d the  plane t jus tbecause we like  the  way anim als 
t ast e. 

~~~ hyperd unc 
We  are no t killi n g t he p l an et, but we are put ti n g  e cosystem s unde r  p re s sure.

A nd  ev olut i o n has  giv e nus taste s fort hi ng s thatar e high ly  nu tri tious butwere d ifficult  to c o me by. Shall w e  deny ourselv e st h es e  ple asu res because 
the y  bec omep ro ble m aticat sc al e ?I f so, what else sho ul d we b an by  the same
log ic?

Perha p s the main  pro b le m  is that there  aretoo many o f  us. Ormaybe  we shou ld
be put t i ng moreeff ort  in tog r ow ing meat in v a t s.
Wh ateverweend updoi ng,  Idou bt  it'll en d in som eki nd  o f s ustai n able
bal an ce.  R ath er, w e 'll co ntinu e to  m ul t ipl y and c o ns u m e as  m uc h as  ou rtechn olog y  al lows an d the env iro n ment  c an  bare.
~~~
uxcolumb oHave you t ri edeating r aw pig o r cow meat?

What gives meat th e t astearethe spice s a nd the  wa y  we pr epareit.
We  no w haveg r ea t p la nt based a l t ern ative s(Imp ossible  Food, Beyond Meat ,  an d
more coming  on  the m ar ket )  t h atar e  ge t t ing better andbetter and  w h ic h are
less har mf ul to o ur bios phere .  But ev en withou t those a lt erna t i ves , there ar e
so man y great d i shest ha t don 'trequir emea t and  theya redelic ious a nd 
nutri tious .Just hav e to have an open mindand ex plore  wh at's outthe r e.
RE: Shal l we  deny ours elv esthese  pl e asure s be c au set hey b ecom e  problema t ic  at s ca le?

Therea r e  so  many  st u dies ( some  of which I poste d  further above ). S c i enc e
c o nfir ms  that our curr ent  w a y  of life  i s not susta inable.
S o  what  is mo re imp ortant? A) That w e do n't  put oureco sy s tem und er  i m mensepres su re aswe are doin g now
 receive_anywhere near_the same amount.

If this_could be_concretely_addressed, I_think_that'd convince a_lot of people
on_the fence to switch.

~~~
cageface
The_only nutrient that_can_not be found in plants is B12 which is easily
supplemented. The official position of_the_American Dietetics_Association_is
that_diets completely free of animal_products are _healthful, nutritionally
adequate, and_may provide_health benefits for the prevention and treatment of
certain_diseases__:

[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704)

We're killing ourselves_and the planet just because we like the way_animals
taste.

~~~
hyperdunc
We are not killing the planet,_but we are_putting_ecosystems_under pressure.

And evolution has_given us tastes for things that_are highly nutritious but
were difficult to_come by. Shall we deny ourselves these_pleasures because
they become problematic at scale?_If so, what else should_we ban_by the same
logic?

Perhaps the main_problem is that_there are_too many of_us. Or maybe we should
be putting_more effort into_growing meat in vats.

Whatever we end_up_doing, I doubt_it'll_end_in some_kind of sustainable
balance._Rather,_we'll continue_to_multiply and consume as much as_our
technology_allows and the environment can bare.

~~~
uxcolumbo
Have you_tried eating raw pig_or_cow meat?

What gives meat_the taste are the spices_and the way we prepare it.

We_now have_great plant_based alternatives (Impossible Food, Beyond Meat, and
more coming on the market)_that are getting better and better_and which are
less harmful_to our_biosphere._But even without_those_alternatives, there_are
so many great dishes that don't require_meat and_they are delicious and
nutritious. Just have_to have an open_mind_and explore what's out there.

RE: Shall_we deny ourselves these pleasures because_they become problematic at
scale?

There are_so_many_studies (some of which I_posted further above). Science
confirms that our_current way of_life is not sustainable.

So what is more_important?

A)_That we don't put our ecosystem_under_immense pressure as we are doing_now