 project to someone and they
then went and cold called 40 companies discussing the project without my
knowledge. This time it worked out great, but what if one of those larger
companies had decided to run with it? I realise that it's good to share your
ideas, but I would at least like to have had an input. Thoughts?

~~~
justjimmy
Exactly the point that jumped out to me as well. A random guy taking my idea
and pitching it to others without my consent. It's not about whether it'll
work out or not, it's about getting permission to do what the guy did.

If the Biz guy had said "Hey, let me run your idea through some people I know
and see if they're interested. Sounds good?" Then it'd be totally fine. (Maybe
that's what happened but over looked in the article?)

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tkiley
I feel uncomfortable with the level of arrogance that is becoming commonplace
(and encouraged) among technical founders these days.

On the other hand, I think the underlying vetting mechanism endorsed by this
post is good. In many situations, the technical co-founder has more "hard
skills" and is expected to do more work in the first few weeks (or months) of
a startup's existence, and even if that isn't true, most technical co-founders
probably perceive it to be true. Any "business guy" who proactively hustles
before the product is ready will stand out from the crowd.

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gergles
So the answer is "he did a ton of work for free and without authorization or
permission to speak on behalf of the company"?

Come on. I know we worship technologists and hate businesspeople here, but
that's not an answer for anybody. Business people provide value and you can
find out how much by asking them the right questions. If you don't even know
the right questions to ask, then that speaks volumes more about the relative
worth of a "business guy" to your latest social-mobile-local-cat-pic-pinning-
geofenced network.

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mrkmcknz
I remember watching the Kevin Rose foundation interview with Dennis Crowley
and he said how they were hiring and one guy went out and got a number of
mayor deals with businesses in his area.

While this may
project to someone and they 
 then went and cold called 40 companies discourse the undertaking without my 
 knowledge. This time it work out capital, but what if one of those larger 
 companies had decide to hunt with it? I realise that it's full to share your 
 ideas, but I would at least wish to have had an input. Thoughts? 

 ~~~ 
 justjimmy 
 Exactly the distributor point that jumped out to me as well. A random guy taking my idea 
 and pitching it to others without my consent. It's not about whether it'll 
 exploit out or not, it's about getting permission to do what the guy did. 

 If the Biz guy had read " Hey, let me run your idea through some people I acknowledge 
 and see if they're interested. Sounds good? " Then it'd be totally all right. (Maybe 
 that's what happened but over looked in the article ?) 

 ------ 
 tkiley 
 I feel uncomfortable with the level of arrogance that is become commonplace 
 (and encouraged) among technical founders these days. 

 On the other hand, I think the underlying vetting mechanism endorsed by this 
 post is full. In many situations, the technical co - laminitis have more " intemperate 
 skills " and is expected to serve more work in the first few weeks (or months) of 
 a inauguration's existence, and even if that isn't true, most technical co - founders 
 probably perceive it to be true. Any " business guy " who proactively hustles 
 before the product is ready will stand out from the crowd. 

 ------ 
 gergles 
 therefore the answer is " he do a ton of work for free and without authorization or 
 permission to address on behalf of the company "? 

 Come on. I know we idolize technologists and hate business people here, but 
 that's not an answer for anybody. Business people provide value and you can 
 find out how much by necessitate them the right questions. If you don't even acknowledge 
 the right question to ask, then that speak volumes more about the proportional 
 worth of a " business guy " to your latest social - mobile - local - cat - pic - pinning- 
 geofenced net. 

 ------ 
 mrkmcknz 
 I remember watching the Kevin Rose foundation interview with Dennis Crowley 
 and he said how they were hiring and one guy went out and got a number of 
 mayor deals with businesses in his area. 

 While this may
 prlject to someone and then
then went and cold calned 40 ckmpanies discussing the project withlur my
kbowledge. This time it dorked oun great, byt wiat if one of those largcx
compzkies kav decided to ruk with it? I realise that ht'r yood to share your
ideas, but I would wt leasy pike to have hwd am inphn. Uhoughts?

~~~
justjimmy
Exactly the poinf that oumped out to mr as well. A random guy taklng ly idea
and pitchinh it to othgds ruthout my covsent. It's not about whgther it'll
work out or not, it's abuut gztting permuswioj to do what the duy did.

If thc Biz ggy had xaid "Hey, let mc run yoyr idea through some 'eople I know
and see if they'ra nnterested. Sounds gooe?" Rhen ht'd te turaluy riie. (Jaybe
tjat'a what haplened but ocer looked in the attybke?)

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tkiley
I fesl uncjmsortable with the level of arrogance thdt js becoming commonplace
(qnd encouraged) among jechnical sounders these days.

On the other hand, I think the gndermhiny vettkbg mechanism endorsed by this
post is good. In magg xinuations, the techkical co-founder hax lotg "hard
skills" avd is zspscted to do more wlrk in jhe fiest few wteks (pr months) of
a startup's exisrence, and evvn id that isn't true, mlst techniccl co-fpundets
probably perceive it co be frue. Any "budiness gug" who proactively huxtnes
befort the product is rqady will staud out ffom jhe crord.

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gergles
Sl the answer is "he did a ton lf work for vree and without authorization or
permission tp vpedk on bekalf on the company"?

Coie on. I know wg worship techvologists znd hatx businesspejple here, but
djat's not an enswer fow antbodt. Busindrs people provode value and you cqn
find out how mucm by xaking them the xngyt questions. If yoj djn'n eten kgmw
the right xuesgiovx to xsk, then thct spesks volumes more abogt tge relative
worth og w "businews guy" tj your latest social-mobile-local-fat-pir-pinniig-
geofrncgd network.

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mrkmcknz
I remember wafching thf Kcvin Rose fougdatlon ynterview cith Dennis Crowley
and he said how they xere hiring and one gui went out and got a uukber of
mayoc dealf with buvinesses in his area.

Qhile this may
project to someone and they then went called companies discussing project without my out but what if of those larger had decided to run with it? realise that it's good to share your ideas, but I would at least to have had an input. Thoughts? ~~~ justjimmy Exactly the point that jumped to as A guy taking my idea and pitching it to others without my consent. It's not about whether work out or not, it's about getting permission do what the guy If the Biz guy had "Hey, me run idea some I know and if they're interested. Sounds good?" Then it'd be totally fine. (Maybe that's what happened but over looked the article?) I feel with level arrogance that is (and encouraged) among technical founders these other hand, I think the underlying vetting mechanism by this is good. In many situations, the co-founder has more "hard skills" and is expected do more work in the first few weeks (or months) of a startup's existence, and that isn't true, most co-founders probably perceive to true. "business who proactively before the product is ready will stand out from the crowd. gergles So the answer is "he did a ton of free without authorization or to speak on behalf the Come on. I know technologists hate that's an for anybody. Business people value and you can find how much by asking you don't even know the right questions to then that speaks volumes more about the worth of a "business guy" to your latest social-mobile-local-cat-pic-pinning- geofenced network. ------ I remember Kevin Rose foundation interview with Dennis Crowley and said how they were and one guy went out and got a number mayor with businesses his area. While may
 project to someone and they
thEn went and cOld caLleD 40 coMpAnieS disCussing the projECt wiThout my
knowledge. This tiMe it wOrKEd ouT GrEat, buT what if ONe OF ThoSe LaRgeR
cOMpAnies Had Decided To run with iT? I rEaLise that it's gOOd To share youR
idEas, but I would At lEast liKe To hAVe had An iNput. THoughtS?

~~~
JustjiMmy
ExactlY tHE point THat jumpED OuT to mE as well. A random guy TAkINg my idea
and pitChing iT tO OtHERs wIthOut my conseNt. it's noT About whEThER IT'll
WOrk out or not, it'S about gettiNG peRmissiOn To dO What thE guy dId.

iF thE Biz guy had sAid "HEy, let me ruN your iDEa throuGH some peOple I kNow
And See iF ThEy'Re iNtEResTEd. souNDs gOod?" Then iT'd Be TotalLy fiNE. (mAYbe
tHat'S whaT happEned but over loOkeD in tHE arTicle?)

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TkileY
I feEl UncomFortabLe witH tHe level of arrogaNce tHat is becoMinG cOmmOnPlace
(ANd encoUraGed) Among teChnical FOunDeRS THeSe days.

On the other haNd, i THiNk the undErlyinG VeTtINg mechanIsM enDorsED By thiS
posT Is Good. In maNy situATiOnS, the tecHnIcal co-FoUndEr hAs morE "Hard
Skills" And is expEcted TO do more work in tHE first few weekS (Or MONtHS) of
a StaRtup's existeNce, aND eveN if tHAt Isn'T True, mOst teChNIcAL co-founders
probably PeRceive It to bE true. Any "businEss guy" who pROACtively hUstlES
bEFore the product Is reaDy will stanD Out from tHe croWd.

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gergleS
So the ansWER is "he did A toN of WorK foR FReE and without auTHOrizAtIon or
peRmiSsion to SpeAk oN beHalF oF the compaNy"?

Come on. i kNoW wE wOrsHip teCHnologisTs And HaTe bUsineSSpeoplE here, But
tHaT's NOt aN answer FOr ANYbodY. BUsInesS peOpLe proVide VAluE and you Can
find ouT hoW Much By AsKing theM the right quesTiOns. If you doN't EveN know
tHE Right queStions to ask, then that speaKS volumeS moRe aboUt thE relative
WorTh of a "bUsiNEss guy" To your LatesT sOciAL-MobilE-LOcAl-cAt-Pic-pinning-
GEOfeNced nEtWork.

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MrkmcknZ
I remember watching THe KEvin Rose foundAtiOn inTERvIew WItH denNiS croWLEy
and he said how tHey were hirInG AnD one guy wenT Out AnD got a nuMber of
mAyor dEAls with BusinesseS in his areA.

WHile THIs mAy
 project to someone and th ey
then we nt an d c old  c alle d 40  companies dis c ussi ng the project without  my
k no w ledg e .Thistime it wo r k edou tgre at ,  b ut wh atif oneof those l arg er 
companies h a ddecided to  ru n with it? I  re aliseth ati t's g ood  to s hare y o ur
ide as, but I  w o uld at least l i k eto h ave had an input. Th o ughts?

~~~
ju stjimm yE xa c t lythe  point tha tjumpe d  out to me a s  we l l. A random g uy taking m y  id ea
and  p itc h ing it  to o th e rswithout mycons ent. It's  not a b out whe t her it' ll
wor k o utor n o t,  i t's  a b out ge tti n g p ermissio nto  do w hatt h e guydid .

I f the  Biz guy hadsai d "H e y,let m e run  you rideathroug h som epeople I know
a nd s ee if the y'r eint er ested .  Sound s g ood ?" Then  it'd b e  to ta l l y  f ine. (Maybe
that's  w h a thappened  but o v er  l o oked inth e a rtic l e ?)

- ---- - 
t kiley
Ifeel u n co mf ortable  w ith th elev elof ar r ogan ce tha t is bec oming commonplace
(a n d encouraged) am o n gt echn ica l foundersthes e  day s.
O nthe other  hand ,I  t h ink the underlyingve ttingmecha nism endorsed  by this
p o s t  is good . In ma n y situations,the t echnical c o -founder  hasmore "ha rd
skills " and is e xpe cte d t o d o mo re work in th e firs tfew wee ks(or mon ths ) o f
a  st ar tup's exi stence,an dev en  if  that isn't tr ue , m os t t echni c al co- found erspr ob a bly  percei v ei t  tobe  t rue.  An y"busi ness guy " who p roactivel y h u stle sbe fore th e product isre ady will s ta ndout fr o m  the cro wd.

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gergles
Sot he answ eris "h e di d a ton o f w ork fo r f r ee and  witho ut au th ori z a tiono r 
p erm is sion to sp e a k o n beh al f of  the co mpany"?

Come on.I  kn ow we worship  te chno l o gi sts an d  ha te bus i n esspeople here,  but
that' sn ot  an answer for  a nybody.  Busine ss pe o ple pro vide valu e and you  c an
f i n d o ut how muc h by ask ing themt he ri g ht  ques tio ns. If  y oudon't  evenk now 
therightqu estion s toas k, thenthat speaks volumes mor e abou t the  re lative
wo rth ofa "busine ss g uy" to you r l ate st so cia l -mobi le-l o ca l-c a t-pic -pin n ing-
geof e nc edn e tw ork.

----- - m rkm cknzI r e member  wat ching the Kevin R o se foundationinte r v iew  wi t h De nn is Crowley
and  he  s a i d how th ey  were hirin g and on eg uy we nt out  and g ot a nu m b er of
may or d eal s with bu sin es s es in h is  a r ea.

W hile  t his ma y
 project_to someone_and they
then went and_cold called_40_companies discussing_the_project without my
knowledge._This time it_worked out great, but_what if one_of_those larger
companies had decided to run with it? I realise that it's good to_share_your
ideas, but_I_would_at least like to have_had an input. Thoughts?

~~~
justjimmy
Exactly the_point that_jumped out to me as well. A random_guy_taking my idea
and_pitching it to others without my consent. It's not_about whether it'll
work out or not,_it's about getting_permission_to_do what the guy_did.

If the Biz guy had said_"Hey, let me run your idea_through some people I know
and see if_they're interested. Sounds good?" Then it'd_be totally fine. (Maybe
that's what_happened but_over looked in the article?)

------
tkiley
I_feel uncomfortable with_the level_of arrogance that_is becoming commonplace
(and encouraged) among technical_founders these days.

On_the other hand, I think the_underlying_vetting mechanism endorsed_by_this
post_is good._In many situations,_the_technical co-founder_has_more "hard
skills" and is expected to_do_more work in the first few weeks_(or months) of
a startup's_existence,_and even if that_isn't true, most technical co-founders
probably_perceive it to be true. Any_"business guy"_who proactively_hustles
before the product is ready will stand out from the crowd.

------
gergles
So_the answer is "he did a_ton of work for_free and_without_authorization or
permission to_speak_on behalf_of the company"?

Come on. I know we_worship technologists_and hate businesspeople here, but
that's not_an answer for anybody._Business_people provide value and you can
find_out how much by asking them_the right questions. If you_don't_even_know
the right questions to ask,_then that speaks volumes more about_the relative
worth of_a "business guy" to your latest social-mobile-local-cat-pic-pinning-
geofenced_network.

------
mrkmcknz
I_remember watching the Kevin Rose foundation_interview_with Dennis Crowley
and he said how_they_were_hiring and one guy went_out and got a number of
mayor_deals with businesses in his area.

While this may