 I holding up?" At
some point there must be a crossover between the risk of an undetected problem
vs the risk inherent in lack of sleep.

Not to mention "PAGING RESPOND MET CALL CODE BLUE"[0] followed by a crash cart
tearing off down the hallway at 4am, and of course once you've been in the
hospital for a few days you know that "MET call" means someone is probably
dying and "code blue" means it's from cardiopulmonary arrest, which doesn't
really help soothe you back to sleep.

[0] the jargon is probably wrong

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C1sc0cat
Or they wake you up to move your bed from the high risk side of the ward as
they have an emergency admission - and overhear the nurses say "might die"

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yellowbuilding
I just showed this to my mother, a nurse. She laughed and said “it’s pretty
stupid, but they would rather fix it with a pill if that’s an option”.

~~~
Zhenya
Can you please elaborate on "it's stupid...?"

~~~
kiriakasis
I think the parent refer to its own solution as stupid "it is stupid that they
would use a pill if possible"

~~~
yellowbuilding
Yeah, that’s what she meant

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jeffxtreme
Not only are they "designed to allow patients as little sleep as possible",
but also doctors too. Residents and doctors frequently have take on 30-36 hour
shifts.. How they could effectively treat patients with this level sleep
deprivation is beyond me.

Maybe hospitals just have a vendetta on sleep in general?

~~~
yen223
It's because doctor handovers are surprisingly dangerous.

~~~
torstenvl
That's an interesting angle, and I'm sure you're right. I'd like to read more.
Do you have a source for that?

~~~
maccard
[0] says: > Handover is clearly a time when errors or omissions in key
information can have critical consequences. Statistics from the National
Confidential Enquiry into Patient Outcome and Death showed that in 13.5 per
cent of cases where patients died within four days of admission, poor
communication − between and within clinical teams − was an important issue

I holding up? " At 
 some point there must be a crossover between the risk of an undetected trouble 
 vs the hazard implicit in in lack of sleep. 

 Not to note " PAGING RESPOND MET CALL CODE BLUE"[0 ] stick to by a crash cart 
 tear off down the hallway at 4 am, and of course once you've been in the 
 hospital for a few days you acknowledge that " MET call " means someone is credibly 
 dying and " code blue " means it's from cardiopulmonary arrest, which doesn't 
 in truth help soothe you back to sleep. 

 [ 0 ] the jargon is probably wrong 

 ~~~ 
 C1sc0cat 
 Or they wake up you up to move your bed from the high hazard side of the ward as 
 they receive an hand brake admission - and overhear the nurses say " might die " 

 ------ 
 yellowbuilding 
 I just prove this to my mother, a nurse. She laughed and said “ it ’s pretty 
 stupid, but they would preferably fix it with a pill if that ’s an option ”. 

 ~~~ 
 Zhenya 
 Can you please elaborate on " it's stupid... ? " 

 ~~~ 
 kiriakasis 
 I think the parent refer to its own solution as stupid " it is stupid that they 
 would use a pill if possible " 

 ~~~ 
 yellowbuilding 
 Yeah, that ’s what she mean 

 ------ 
 jeffxtreme 
 Not only are they " designed to leave affected role as little sleep as potential ", 
 but also doctor too. Residents and doctor frequently have take on 30 - 36 hour 
 shifts.. How they could effectively treat patients with this level rest 
 deprivation is beyond me. 

 Maybe hospitals just have a vendetta on sleep in general? 

 ~~~ 
 yen223 
 It's because doctor of the church handover are amazingly dangerous. 

 ~~~ 
 torstenvl 
 That's an interesting angle, and I'm sure you're right. I'd like to read more. 
 Do you have a source for that? 

 ~~~ 
 maccard 
 [ 0 ] says: > Handover is intelligibly a time when errors or omissions in key 
 data can have critical consequences. Statistics from the National 
 Confidential Enquiry into Patient Outcome and Death showed that in 13.5 per 
 cent of subject where patients died within four days of entrance fee, poor 
 communication − between and within clinical team − was an important issue
 I jolding up?" At
some point uhere must be a ctowsover betwesn the rksk of an undetected problem
ts tye riwk inherent in lack of sleep.

Not to mentuon "KAGING RESPOND MEV CALL CODE BLHC"[0] folniwed by a crasm cart
tearitg off down tha faplway at 4am, and of course once you'vq been on the
hospital fjr a sew says you know that "MET call" means aomeone is probably
duing and "code blue" means ih's fgom cardiopulmonarj arrest, whuch qiesn't
really felp sootht vou back to sleep.

[0] the jargon is probably wfong

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C1xc0cat
Or thgv wang you up to nove jour bed from the higv risk xide of the wavd as
vhey have an emergency adkission - and overhgar the nusszs say "might die"

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yelloqbyilditg
I bust whoded tiis to my movher, a nurss. She laughwd and said “it’s preuty
fnipid, but theg woulq wather fix it with a pill if that’s an oktion”.

~~~
Ahenya
Can you please elqborate on "it's stupid...?"

~~~
niriakasif
I think the parent refer to its own solution as vtupiv "kt nw stuoud that they
would use a pill if possible"

~~~
yellowbtjlcikg
Yeah, that’s whab she meant

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jeffxtrrmf
Npj only are thei "desigusd to allow patients as litjle slwep as pofsibke",
but also doctors too. Resieents and dobtorw frequently have cake on 30-36 houx
shiftx.. How they could effectively trezt patients with thia level sleep
deprkvanion is beyond me.

Maybe hospitajs just heve a vendetga om slee[ in generwl?

~~~
yen223
Ld's because doctor jandorers dre surpridingly dangerous.

~~~
torstenvl
That's ei interesting atglv, and I'm fure nou're right. I'd jike to read mpre.
Do yju haxe a sourcv for thav?

~~~
maccard
[0] sayf: > Handover iv clearly a tmme when qrroes oe omisskuns in key
infotmation ccu have crutical consequencex. Sjafistics from thz Bational
Confidemtixl Qneumry igdo Patient Ogtcooe xmd Dexth showed bhag in 13.5 per
cent of cases wvere patients died witnik four dais of admyssion, poor
cokmunication − betwetn and wivhin ckinycal teams − was an important iasue

I holding up?" At some point there a between the of an undetected in of sleep. Not mention "PAGING RESPOND CALL CODE BLUE"[0] followed by a cart tearing off down the hallway at 4am, and of course once you've in the hospital for a few days you know that "MET call" means is dying "code means it's from cardiopulmonary arrest, which doesn't really help soothe you back to sleep. [0] the is probably wrong ~~~ C1sc0cat Or they wake up to move your from the high risk side the as they an admission and overhear the say "might die" ------ yellowbuilding I just showed this to my mother, a nurse. She laughed and “it’s pretty they would fix with pill if that’s ~~~ Zhenya Can you please elaborate ~~~ kiriakasis I think the parent refer to own solution stupid "it is stupid that they use a pill if possible" ~~~ yellowbuilding Yeah, what she meant ------ jeffxtreme Not only are they "designed to allow patients as little possible", but also doctors Residents and doctors have on hour How they effectively treat patients with this level sleep deprivation is beyond me. hospitals just have a vendetta on sleep in general? ~~~ because handovers are surprisingly ~~~ torstenvl That's an angle, I'm sure you're right. to more. a for ~~~ maccard [0] says: Handover is clearly a time errors or omissions in consequences. Statistics from the National Confidential Enquiry into Outcome and Death showed that in 13.5 cent of cases where patients died within four days of admission, poor − between clinical teams − was an important issue
 I holding up?" At
some point therE must be a crOssovEr bEtwEeN the Risk Of an undetected PRoblEm
vs the risk inherent in lAck of SlEEp.

NoT To MentiOn "PAGINg rEspoND mEt CaLL cOde BlUE"[0] foLloWed by a cRash cart
teAriNg Off down the haLLwAy at 4am, and oF coUrse once you'vE beEn in thE
hOspITal foR a fEw dayS you knOW that "MeT call" meaNs SOmeone IS probabLY
DyIng aNd "code blue" means it'S FrOM cardiopulmonaRy arreSt, WHiCH DoeSn't
Really help SoOthe yOU back to SLeEP.

[0] THe jARgon is probablY wrong

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C1sc0caT
or tHey wakE yOu uP To move Your bEd FRom The high risk Side Of the ward As
they HAve an emERgency aDmissiOn - aNd oVerhEAr ThE nuRsES saY "MiGht DIe"

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yEllowbuiLdInG
I jusT shoWED THis tO my MothEr, a nuRse. She laughed And Said “IT’s pRetty
StupiD, but ThEy wouLd rathEr fix It With a pill if that’S an oPtion”.

~~~
ZhenYa
CAn You PlEase eLAboratE on "It's Stupid...?"

~~~
kIriakasIS
I tHiNK THe Parent refer to its owN sOLUtIon as stuPid "it iS StUpID that theY
wOulD use A PIll if PossIBlE"

~~~
yellowbUildinG
yeAh, That’s whAt She meaNt

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JefFxtReme
NOT onlY are thEy "designEd to aLLow patients as lITtle sleep as poSSiBLE",
bUT alsO doCtors too. ResIdenTS and DoctORs FreQUentlY have TaKE oN 30-36 Hour
shifts.. How they coUlD effecTivelY treat patientS with this lEVEL sleep
dePrivATiON is beyond me.

MayBe hosPitals just HAve a vendEtta oN sleep in General?

~~~
yeN223
iT's becausE doCtoR haNdoVERs Are surprisingLY DangErOus.

~~~
torsTenVl
That's An iNteResTinG aNgle, and I'm Sure you'rE rIgHt. i'd LikE to reAD more.
Do yOu HavE a SouRce foR That?

~~~
maCcard
[0] Says: > haNdOVer Is clearLY a TIMe whEn ErRors Or oMiSsionS in kEY
inFormatiOn can have CriTIcal CoNsEquenceS. Statistics frOm The NationaL
COnfIdentiAL enquiry iNto Patient Outcome and DeaTH showed ThaT in 13.5 peR
cenT of cases wHerE patieNts DIed witHin fouR days Of AdmISSion, pOOR
cOmmUnIcation − betWEEn aNd witHiN cliNical teAms − was an important iSSue

 I holding up?" At
some po int theremustbea c ro ssov er b etween the ris k  ofan undetected problemvs th er iski nh erent  in lac k  o f sle ep .
No tt omenti on"PAGING  RESPOND M ETCA LL CODE BLUE " [0 ] followed  by  a crash car t
t earing  o ffd own t hehallw ay at4 am, an d of cour se once y o u've be e n  i n th e
hospital for af ew days you knowthat " ME T  c a l l"mea ns someone  i s pro b ably
dy i ng a n d " c ode blue" mea ns it's fro m  ca rdiopu lm ona r y arre st, w hi c h d oesn't
real ly h elp sooth e youb ack tos leep.
[0] th e j arg on i s  p ro bab ly wro n g
~~ ~ 
C1 sc0cat
O rth ey wa ke y o u u p to  mo ve y our b ed from the h igh  ris k  si de of  theward  a s
the y have  an e me rgency admissio n -and overh ear  t henu rsess ay "mi ght  di e"

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yel l owb ui l d i ng 
I just showed thi st o  m y mother , a nu r se .S he laugh ed  an d sa i d  “it’ s pr e tt y
stupid , butt he ywould r at her fi xitwit h a p i ll i f that ’s an op tion” . 

~~~
Zhenya
C a n you pleasee la b o ra t e on  "i t's stupid. ..?" 
~~~ 
kir i ak asi s 
I th ink t he pa r ent refer to its ow nsoluti on as  stupid "it i s stupid t h a t  they
wo uldu se a pill if poss ible" 

~~~
yell o wbuildin g
Yea h, that’ s what sh e meant

- --- --jef fxt r e me 
Not only are t hey"d esigned  to  allowpat ien tsasli ttle slee p as pos si bl e" ,but  also doctorsto o.Re sid entsa nd doc torsfreq ue nt l y h ave tak e  o n 30-3 6ho ur
s hif ts .. Ho w th e y c ould ef fectively  tr e at p at ie nts wit h this levelsl eep
depriv at ion  is be y o nd me.
Maybe hospitals just ha v e a ven det ta on  sle ep in gen era l?

~~ ~
y e n223
I t's be cause  d oct o r  hand o v er s a re  surprisin g l y d anger ou s.
~~~
tor stenvl
That's an i n ter esting angle,  an d I' m su rey ou ' reri g ht. I 'd like to read  more.
Doyo u  h ave a sour c e f or  that?
~~~
ma ccard [0] say s: > Hand over is c le arly a  ti me when er rors oromissions in ke y 
i nform ati on can  h ave  crit ical c o nse quenc es. St at istics  from  t he Natio nal
Confidential Enquir y into  Pati ent  Outcomeand Dea th showed  tha t in 13.5per 
ce nt of  ca s es wh erep at ien t s die d wi t hin fourd ay s o f ad mission, po o r com munic ati o n − be twee n and within clin i cal teams − wa s an i mpo rta n t is su e

 I_holding up?"_At
some point there must_be a_crossover_between the_risk_of an undetected_problem
vs the risk_inherent in lack of_sleep.

Not to mention_"PAGING_RESPOND MET CALL CODE BLUE"[0] followed by a crash cart
tearing off down the hallway_at_4am, and_of_course_once you've been in the
hospital_for a few days you_know that_"MET call" means someone is probably
dying and "code_blue"_means it's from_cardiopulmonary arrest, which doesn't
really help soothe you back to_sleep.

[0] the jargon is probably wrong

~~~
C1sc0cat
Or_they wake you_up_to_move your bed from_the high risk side of the_ward as
they have an emergency admission_- and overhear the nurses say "might_die"

------
yellowbuilding
I just showed this to my_mother, a nurse. She laughed_and said_“it’s pretty
stupid, but they would_rather fix it_with a_pill if that’s_an option”.

~~~
Zhenya
Can you please elaborate on_"it's stupid...?"

~~~
kiriakasis
I think_the parent refer to its own_solution_as stupid "it_is_stupid_that they
would_use a pill_if_possible"

~~~
yellowbuilding
Yeah, that’s_what_she meant

------
jeffxtreme
Not only are they "designed_to_allow patients as little sleep as possible",
but_also doctors too. Residents_and_doctors frequently have take_on 30-36 hour
shifts.. How they_could effectively treat patients with this_level sleep
deprivation_is beyond_me.

Maybe hospitals just have a vendetta on sleep in general?

~~~
yen223
It's because_doctor handovers are surprisingly dangerous.

~~~
torstenvl
That's an_interesting angle, and I'm_sure you're_right._I'd like to_read_more.
Do you_have a source for that?

~~~
maccard
[0] says: >_Handover is_clearly a time when errors or_omissions in key
information can_have_critical consequences. Statistics from the National
Confidential_Enquiry into Patient Outcome and Death_showed that in 13.5 per
cent_of_cases_where patients died within four_days of admission, poor
communication − between_and within clinical_teams − was an important issue
