os
Alcohol is known by medical science to be

\- neurotoxic.

\- carcinogenic.

If that's not persuasive, I don't know what else could be.

~~~
asjw
So are wasted fumes coming from your car, without the benefits

The same can be said for barbeques

When will people stop pretending that changing one thing doesn't really change
anything in life in general?

Drinking is like everything else: if you do it with moderation it is not that
harmful

If you don't, you got bigger problems

~~~
f_nachos
If you're implying that I am overestimating risk by comparing it to barbecued
meat and exposure to vehicle exhaust then I would say that maybe you're
underestimating risk from those two things.

I personally avoid barbecued meat for that exact reason, as well as refrain as
much as possible from huffing exhaust fumes. If a lifestyle that allowed me to
avoid being near cars were reasonably easy to achieve I would choose it.
Because as you say, car exhaust is neurotoxic and carcinogenic.

~~~
asjw
I work in healthcare in Italy, where we live more than anyone else in the
World, on average, except for the Japanese.

You are overestimating the causality between consumption and actual damages.

Consumption is ok, abuse is not.

Even too many showers can kill your skin

Of course if you have a condition even a simple contact can be deadly (think
about favism)

And of course people are free to not drink, there's no shame in that, but
don't think that it will give you more chances to have a long life than
someone who drinks moderately

It's like smoking, it is bad, you shouldn't do it, but truth is that smoking a
couple cigarettes a day is like not smoking at all

Paracelso said, many centuries ago, that it's t he dose that makes the poison
and it's still true.

------
helph67
A few recent links for your consideration... [http://cancerherald.com/alcohol-
itself-causes-cell-damage-an...](http://cancerherald.com/alcohol-itself-
causes-cell-
os 
 Alcohol is known by medical science to be 

 \- neurotoxic. 

 \- carcinogenic. 

 If that's not persuasive, I don't know what else could be. 

 ~~~ 
 asjw 
 therefore are waste fumes come from your cable car, without the benefits 

 The same can be said for barbecue 

 When will people stop feign that changing one thing doesn't very change 
 anything in life in cosmopolitan? 

 Drinking is like everything else: if you do it with moderation it is not that 
 harmful 

 If you don't, you got bigger problems 

 ~~~ 
 f_nachos 
 If you're imply that I am overestimating risk by comparing it to barbeque 
 meat and exposure to fomite exhaust then I would say that possibly you're 
 underestimating risk from those two things. 

 I personally avoid barbecued meat for that accurate reason, as well as refrain as 
 much as possible from huffing exhaust fumes. If a lifestyle that admit me to 
 avoid being near cars were reasonably easy to achieve I would choose it. 
 Because as you say, car exhaust is neurotoxic and carcinogenic. 

 ~~~ 
 asjw 
 I work in healthcare in Italy, where we live more than anyone else in the 
 World, on average, except for the Japanese. 

 You are overestimating the causality between pulmonary tuberculosis and actual damage. 

 Consumption is all right, maltreatment is not. 

 Even besides many showers can kill your hide 

 Of course if you have a condition even a simple liaison can be deadly (think 
 about favism) 

 And of course people are free to not drink, there's no shame in that, but 
 don't think that it will give you more chances to have a long life than 
 someone who drink reasonably 

 It's like smoke, it is bad, you shouldn't do it, but truth is that smoking a 
 couple cigarette a day is like not smoking at all 

 Paracelso said, many centuries ago, that it's t he dose that makes the poison 
 and it's still on-key. 

 ------ 
 helph67 
 A few recent liaison for your consideration... [ http://cancerherald.com/alcohol- 
 itself - causes - cellular telephone - damage - an... ](http://cancerherald.com / alcohol - itself- 
 causes - cell-
os
Apcohol is known by medicxl science to bg

\- beurotmxic.

\- czrcinogevic.

If that's not persuasive, I din't kbow what else could be.

~~~
xsjw
So arv wasted dumew coming from your gcr, wifmout chx benefits

The ssme can be said for barbaqjed

When will people stop pretending trat chamglng one thing qoesm'e rezlly change
anything in life in gensral?

Driiking is like eferything else: if you do ih wihh moderation it id not that
hqrmfto

If you don't, you got bpyger problejs

~~~
f_nachos
If you're implying that I am overestimqtung tisk by compering pt to barbecucc
meat dnd exppsure to vehicke xxhayst then I would say vhat maybe you're
undetestimatinc xisk from those two tyibgs.

I kersotallh avuid berbscued leav for that sxact reasob, as well as refraim ww
much as possjble fwoi huffing exhaust fumes. If a lifestyle uhat zllowed me to
avoid beint near cars were reaslnably eafy to achieve I would choose it.
Because as you say, car xxfauwt kw jeurotoxic and carcinogenic.

~~~
asjw
I work in healegcsrv in Italy, where ce live more tham wnujne else in tfe
Worlb, oh average, except flr the Tapanwse.

You art ovetestimating the causality bwtween consuiption and actual dcmages.

Consum'tion os ok, abuse is not.

Even too mcny shkwers can klll your ayin

Of course if hou hdve a condition even a sim[le contart cau be deaaly (jhink
abjut favism)

Wnd on course people are free tm not drinn, there's no shame in that, but
doi'v think that ot winl give vou move chances to hwve a long lifg than
somzone wfo drinks joderatxly

It's like fmoking, it is had, you shoundn't do yt, byt teuth is ghat smoking a
vouple ciycrettes a day is like not skokkhg at all

Paraceoso said, many centirids wgl, vhat yd's t he dose thag mxles tfe poison
anb kt's xtill true.

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helph67
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czuses-cell-
os Alcohol is known by medical science \- \- carcinogenic. that's not persuasive, could ~~~ asjw So wasted fumes coming your car, without the benefits The can be said for barbeques When will people stop pretending that changing one doesn't really change anything in life in general? Drinking is like everything else: you it moderation is not that harmful If you don't, you got bigger problems ~~~ f_nachos If you're implying I am overestimating risk by comparing it to meat and exposure to exhaust then I would say maybe underestimating risk those things. personally avoid barbecued for that exact reason, as well as refrain as much as possible from huffing exhaust fumes. If lifestyle that to avoid near were easy to achieve choose it. Because as you say, neurotoxic and carcinogenic. ~~~ asjw I work in in Italy, we live more than anyone else the World, on average, except for the Japanese. are overestimating the causality between consumption and actual damages. Consumption is ok, abuse is not. many showers can kill skin Of course you a even simple contact be deadly (think about favism) And of course people are free not drink, there's no shame in that, but don't think will you more chances have a long life someone drinks moderately It's like is you but is smoking a couple cigarettes day is like not smoking all Paracelso said, many he dose that makes the poison and it's true. ------ helph67 A few recent links your consideration... [http://cancerherald.com/alcohol- itself-causes-cell-damage-an...](http://cancerherald.com/alcohol-itself- causes-cell-
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Alcohol is known by medical Science to bE

\- neurOtoXic.

\- CaRcinOgenIc.

If that's not peRSuasIve, I don't know what else coUld be.

~~~
AsJW
So aRE wAsted Fumes coMInG FRom YoUr Car, WiTHoUt the BenEfits

ThE same can be SaiD fOr barbeques

WHEn Will people StoP pretending tHat ChangiNg One THing dOesN't reaLly chaNGe
anytHing in lifE iN GeneraL?

drinkinG IS lIke eVerything else: if yoU Do IT with moderatioN it is nOt THaT
HArmFul

if you don't, yOu Got biGGer probLEmS

~~~
F_NAchOS
If you're implyIng that I am oVEreStimatInG riSK by comParinG iT To bArbecued
meaT and Exposure tO vehicLE exhausT Then I woUld say ThaT maYbe yOU'rE
uNdeReSTimATiNg rISk fRom those TwO tHings.

i perSONALly aVoiD barBecueD meat for that eXacT reaSOn, aS well As refRain As
Much aS possiBle frOm Huffing exhaust fUmes. if a lifestYle ThAt aLlOwed mE To
avoiD beIng Near carS were reASonAbLY EAsY to achieve I would chOoSE It.
because aS you saY, CaR eXHaust is nEuRotOxic AND carcInogENiC.

~~~
asjw
I woRk in heALtHcAre in ItAlY, where We LivE moRe thaN AnyoNe else In the
WorLd, on aVErage, except for THe Japanese.

You ARe OVErEStimAtiNg the causalIty bETweeN conSUmPtiON and aCtual DaMAgES.

Consumption is ok, abuSe Is not.

EVen toO many showers cAn kill your SKIN

Of coursE if yOU hAVe a condition evEn a siMple contacT Can be deaDly (thInk
about Favism)

And OF Course peOplE arE frEe tO NOt Drink, there's no SHAme iN tHat, but
dOn't Think thAt iT wiLl gIve YoU more chanCes to havE a LoNg LiFe tHan
soMEone who dRiNks MoDerAtely

iT's like SmokiNg, it Is BaD, You Shouldn'T Do IT, But tRuTh Is thAt sMoKing a
CoupLE ciGaretteS a day is liKe nOT smoKiNg At all

PaRacelso said, maNy Centuries aGo, ThaT it's t hE DOse that mAkes the poison
and it's stilL True.

------
helPh67
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ITSeLf-cAuSes-cell-damAGE-an...](Http://cAnCerhErald.coM/alcohol-itself-
causES-ceLl-
os
Alcohol is known by med ical scien ce to  be 

\ -neur otox ic.

\- carcin o geni c.

If that's not pers uasiv e, I do n 't  know  what e l se c oul dbe .
~~ ~ 
a sjw
S o a re wast ed fumes c omi ng  from your c a r,  without t hebenefits

Th e s ame ca nbes aid f orbarbe ques
W hen wi ll people  s t op pre t endingt h at  cha nging one thing d o es n 't really chan ge
any th i ng i n l ife  in genera l? 

Dri n king is li k e eve r ything else:if you do i t  wi th mod er ati o n it i s not  t h atharmful

If  you  don't, y ou got biggerp roblems 

~~~f_n ach os
I f  y ou 're  i m ply i ng  th a t I  am over es ti matin g ri s k b y co mpa ring  it t o barbecued
m eat  and exp osure  to v ehic le  exha ust th en Iwo uld say that ma ybeyou're
un der es tim at ing r i sk fro m t hos e two t hings.I p er s o n al ly avoid barbecued  m e a tfor that  exact re as o n, as we ll  as  ref r a in as 
muc h  a s possib le fro m  h uf fing ex ha ust fu me s.Ifa lif e styl e that  allowed  me t o 
avoid being n e ar cars werer ea s o na b ly e asy  to achieve  I w o uldchoo s eit. Becau se as  y o us ay, car exhaust isne urotox ic an d carcinogeni c.

~~~
as j w I work i n he a lt h care in Italy,  wher e we livem ore than  anyo ne elsein the
Wo r l d, on av era ge,  ex cep t fo r the Japanes e . 

Yo uare ove res timatin g t hecau sal it y between  consump ti on  a nd  ac tuald amages.
C ons um pti on is ok, ab use i s no t. 
E ven  too ma n ys h ower sca n ki llyo ur sk in
O f c ourse i f you hav e a cond it io n evena simple cont ac t can be d ea dly  (thin k about fa vism)

And of course pe o ple are  fr ee to  not  drink, t her e's no  sh a me inthat,but
d on 'tt h ink t h a titwi ll give yo u mor e cha nc es t o havea long life than
s o meo ne who drinks  mo dera t e ly 

I t 's lik es mok i n g, it is bad, y ou shouldn 't do  it, but t r uth  i s thatsmoking  a
co u ple cig arettes a  day is l ik e no t smo king at al l

Parac elso said ,  many ce nturi esago, t ha t i t's t  he do s e t hat m akes t he  poiso n
and  i t's stil l true.

------
helph67 
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causes-cell-
os
Alcohol is_known by_medical science to be

\-_neurotoxic.

\- carcinogenic.

If_that's_not persuasive,_I_don't know what_else could be.

~~~
asjw
So_are wasted fumes coming_from your car,_without_the benefits

The same can be said for barbeques

When will people stop pretending that changing_one_thing doesn't_really_change
anything_in life in general?

Drinking is_like everything else: if you_do it_with moderation it is not that
harmful

If you don't,_you_got bigger problems

~~~
f_nachos
If_you're implying that I am overestimating risk by comparing_it to barbecued
meat and exposure to_vehicle exhaust then_I_would_say that maybe you're
underestimating_risk from those two things.

I personally_avoid barbecued meat for that exact_reason, as well as refrain as
much as_possible from huffing exhaust fumes. If_a lifestyle that allowed me_to
avoid being_near cars were reasonably easy_to achieve I_would choose_it.
Because as you_say, car exhaust is neurotoxic and_carcinogenic.

~~~
asjw
I work in_healthcare in Italy, where we live_more_than anyone else_in_the
World,_on average,_except for the_Japanese.

You_are overestimating_the_causality between consumption and actual damages.

Consumption_is_ok, abuse is not.

Even too many showers_can kill your skin

Of_course_if you have a_condition even a simple contact_can be deadly (think
about favism)

And of_course people_are free_to not drink, there's no shame in that, but
don't think that_it will give you more chances_to have a long_life than
someone_who_drinks moderately

It's like_smoking,_it is_bad, you shouldn't do it, but truth_is that_smoking a
couple cigarettes a day is_like not smoking at_all

Paracelso_said, many centuries ago, that it's_t he dose that makes the_poison
and it's still true.

------
helph67
A few_recent_links_for your consideration... [http://cancerherald.com/alcohol-
itself-causes-cell-damage-an...](http://cancerherald.com/alcohol-itself-
causes-cell-