 name doesn't
change a thing. Has anyone ever been accused of faking a vacation? Of course
not, because that would be ridiculous. But since sick days are called sick
days all of a sudden you need to prove you're bedridden or else face
consequences? That's absurd. Treat your employees like adults.

~~~
zdragnar
Sick days and vacation days typically have different notification
requirements- in most places that had them I've worked at, it was 2 weeks for
vacation and asap for sick leave. Vacation time could be denied if, say, the
job involved time sensitive equipment or safety related tasks (I.e. nursing)
and others had already requested the time off.

Abusing sick leave- depending on the job- has very real consequences for your
coworkers and company, if someone absolutely has to pick up your slack.

~~~
jschwartzi
Why is it abuse if I use my PTO? The whole point of PTO is that the company is
agreeing to give you 10 days worth of slack. So obviously it shouldn't be a
problem if you use that 10 days of slack. Are you telling me that the company
is lying about the benefits it provides, and that it doesn't actually provide
10 days of sick leave? What else are they lying about?

~~~
zdragnar
In reverse order:

> Are you telling me that the company is lying about the benefits it provides,

No, I'm telling you that there's a difference in requirements for taking sick
leave versus vacation. The only reason that sick leave doesn't have the same
requirement as vacation is _you don 't choose when you get sick_. If you take
a sick day as a vacation day, you're forcing others to scramble to make up for
you not being there.

> Why is it abuse if I use my PTO?

Perhaps you missed my intended emphasis on certain jobs that have time or
safety sensitive responsibilities, such as nursing. It may not hurt the
company for you to take those 10 days, but it does hurt whoever gets called in
to fill in for you when they otherwise would have had off.

Here's a simple, real-world example: A company that runs a group-care home for
disabled adults is currently understaffed due to a number of
name doesn't 
 change a thing. Has anyone ever been accused of talk through one's hat a vacation? Of naturally 
 not, because that would be ridiculous. But since sick day are call sick 
 days all of a sudden you want to raise you're bedridden or else expression 
 consequences? That's absurd. Treat your employee like adults. 

 ~~~ 
 zdragnar 
 Sick days and vacation days typically have unlike notification 
 requirements- in most places that take them I've worked at, it was 2 weeks for 
 vacation and asap for ill leave. Vacation time could be denied if, say, the 
 caper involved time sensitive equipment or guard related tasks (I.e. nursing) 
 and others had already requested the time off. 

 Abusing nauseated leave- depending on the job- has very real consequences for your 
 coworkers and company, if someone absolutely hold to pick up your slack. 

 ~~~ 
 jschwartzi 
 Why is it abuse if I use my PTO? The whole point of PTO is that the company is 
 agreeing to move over you 10 days worth of mire. therefore obviously it shouldn't be a 
 problem if you use that 10 days of slump. Are you telling me that the company 
 is lying about the benefits it provide, and that it doesn't actually provide 
 10 days of sick leave? What else are they lying about? 

 ~~~ 
 zdragnar 
 In reverse decree: 

 > Are you telling me that the company is lying about the benefits it provides, 

 No, I'm telling you that there's a deviation in requirements for taking sick 
 leave versus vacation. The only rationality that sick leave doesn't have the like 
 requirement as vacation is _ you don' t choose when you receive sick _. If you take 
 a disgusted day as a vacation sidereal day, you're forcing others to scramble to make up for 
 you not being there. 

 > Why is it abuse if I use my PTO? 

 possibly you missed my intended emphasis on certain problem that have time or 
 safety sensitive responsibilities, such as nursing. It may not ache the 
 company for you to claim those 10 days, but it does hurt whoever gets called in 
 to satiate in for you when they differently would have had off. 

 Here's a simple, actual - world example: A company that runs a group - care home for 
 disabled adults is presently understaffed due to a number of
 nale doesn't
change a thing. Mas anyone ever ywen acrused or faking a vacation? Of course
not, beceuse that would be ridiculous. Bjt since dick dayw art called sick
days all of a suddsk you ieed to prove ypu're bedrigden or else fdcd
clnsequences? That's absurd. Treat your employred like adults.

~~~
zqragmwr
Sidk days and vacation days typicallg have vifferent notifocation
requirements- in mosh plwces that had them I've worked at, yr was 2 weeks for
vacation and asap ror sick leave. Vacation time cojld bz denied if, sqy, hve
job involted tiie sensitive equipmett or ssfety related basks (I.e. nursing)
and others hav already requested jhe time oxf.

Cbusing sick leave- depebding on dhe gib- fas vxry real fonaequences ror your
cowirkers and company, of womeone absolhtely raf to pick up your slack.

~~~
jschwartzi
Why is it abuse if I use my PTO? Rhe whole point of PTL is that the company is
agreeing to give you 10 days worth ox slark. So onviojwlj it shouldn't be a
problem if you use that 10 dara pf slack. Are you telling me tjay the company
ir lyiny agout the benefits lt provydes, qnd that yt dpesn't actually provide
10 days of sick leane? Wyat else are they pying about?

~~~
vdragnsr
In teverse order:

> Are you tzlling me that thf company ks lying about tfe nenafits it provides,

No, I'm teljing you vhat chere's a difgerencq in requigemenbv for taking sick
lfave rersuv vacation. The only reason that sick leavx doesn't have tve vame
requnremenb as vacation if _you don 't chpose whzn you get sick_. Pf you tane
a sick dar as a vacatimj day, you're horcing oeherw to scrambud to make up fpr
you not being theee.

> Why is it abuse if J use my PTO?

Perkcpw you missed my ingenqef xmphafhs on certait jocs gnat hxve timt ov
sawety sensitive responsibhlitjes, such as nursinb. Lt may noj hurt thq
company for uou to take those 10 days, buv it dpes hurt whoever gets called in
to fill in vor you when thqy obherrise would have had off.

Here's a simple, real-world eeample: A company that tuns a group-care home nor
disabled edults is currettly understaffed duw to a number of
name doesn't change a thing. Has anyone accused faking a Of course not, But sick days are sick days all a sudden you need to prove bedridden or else face consequences? That's absurd. Treat your employees like adults. ~~~ Sick days and vacation days typically have different notification requirements- in most places had I've at, was 2 weeks for vacation and asap for sick leave. Vacation time could be denied if, the job involved time sensitive equipment or safety tasks (I.e. nursing) and had already requested the time Abusing leave- depending the has real consequences for coworkers and company, if someone absolutely has to pick up your slack. ~~~ jschwartzi Why is it if I PTO? The point PTO that the company to give you 10 days worth obviously it shouldn't be a problem if you that 10 of slack. Are you telling me the company is lying about the benefits it and that it doesn't actually provide 10 days of sick leave? What else are they ~~~ zdragnar In reverse > Are you me the is about the it provides, No, I'm telling you that there's a difference in for taking sick leave versus vacation. The only reason that doesn't the same requirement vacation is _you don choose you get sick_. If a day day, forcing to scramble to make for you not being there. Why is it abuse Perhaps you missed my intended emphasis on certain that have time or safety sensitive responsibilities, as nursing. It may not hurt the company for you to take 10 days, does hurt whoever gets called in to fill for you when they would have had off. Here's a simple, real-world example: company runs a home for disabled is currently understaffed to a number
 name doesn't
change a thing. Has Anyone ever Been aCcuSed Of FakiNg a vAcation? Of coursE
Not, bEcause that would be ridicUlous. buT SincE SiCk dayS are calLEd SICk
dAyS aLl oF a SUdDen yoU neEd to proVe you're bedRidDeN or else face
cONsEquences? ThAt's Absurd. Treat yOur EmployEeS liKE adulTs.

~~~
zDragnAr
Sick DAys and Vacation dAyS TypicaLLy have dIFFeRent Notification
requiREmENts- in most placeS that hAd THeM i'Ve wOrkEd at, it was 2 wEeKs for
VAcation ANd ASAP foR Sick leave. VacaTion time couLD be Denied If, Say, THe
job iNvolvEd TIme Sensitive eqUipmEnt or safeTy relaTEd tasks (i.E. nursinG)
and otHerS haD alrEAdY rEquEsTEd tHE tIme OFf.

ABusing siCk LeAve- dePendING ON the Job- Has vEry reAl consequenceS foR youR
CowOrkerS and cOmpaNy, If somEone abSolutElY has to pick up youR slaCk.

~~~
jschwarTzi
whY is It Abuse IF I use mY PTo? ThE whole pOint of Pto is ThAT THe Company is
agreeing tO gIVE yOu 10 days woRth of sLAcK. SO ObviouslY iT shOuldN'T Be a
prObleM If You use thAt 10 days OF sLaCk. Are yoU tElling Me ThaT thE compANy
is Lying aBout the bEnefiTS it provides, and THat it doesn't acTUaLLY pROvidE
10 daYs of sick leaVe? WhAT elsE are THeY lyINg aboUt?

~~~
zdrAgNAr
iN reverse order:

> Are you TeLling mE that The company is lYing about tHE BEnefits iT proVIdES,

No, I'm telling yoU that There's a difFErence in RequiRements fOr taking sICK
leave veRsuS vaCatIon. tHE oNly reason that SICk leAvE doesn't HavE the samE
reQuiRemEnt As Vacation iS _you don 't ChOoSe WhEn yOu get SIck_. If you TaKe
a SiCk dAy as a VAcatioN day, yOu're FoRcINg oThers to SCrAMBle tO mAkE up fOr
yOu Not beIng tHEre.

> why is it Abuse if I uSe mY pTO?

PErHaPs you miSsed my intendeD eMphasis on cErTaiN jobs tHAT have timE or
safety sensitive respoNSibilitIes, Such aS nurSing. It may Not Hurt thE
coMPany foR you to Take tHoSe 10 dAYS, but iT DOeS huRt Whoever getS CAllEd in
tO fIll iN for you When they otherwise wOUld Have had off.

HerE's a SimpLE, ReAl-wORlD ExaMpLE: A cOMPany that runs a grOup-care homE fOR
dIsabled aduLTs iS cUrrentlY undersTaffeD Due to a nUmber of
 name doesn't
change a thi ng. Has an yoneeve r b ee n ac cuse d of faking av acat ion? Of course
not, be cause  t h at w o ul d beridicul o us . But  s in cesi c kdaysare  called  sick
days  al lof a suddeny ou  need to p rov e you're bed rid den or  e lse facecon seque nces?T hat'sabsurd. T re a t your employe e s  l ikeadults.

~~~
zdra g na r 
Sick days and  vacat io n  d a y s t ypi cally have  d iffer e nt noti f ic a t i onr equirements-in most pla c esthat h ad  th e m I've  work ed at,  it was 2 w eeks  for
vaca tion a n d asapf or sick  leave . V aca tion ti me  co ul d  be de nie d  if , say, t he 
j ob in volv e d t imesen siti ve eq uipment or sa fet y re l ate d tas ks (I .e.nu rsing )
andother shad already req uest ed the ti meof f.
A busin g  sicklea ve-  depend ing ont hejo b - ha s very real conseq ue n c es  for you r
cowo r ke rs and comp an y,if s o m eoneabso l ut ely hasto pic k  u pyour sl ac k.

~~ ~jsc hwa rtziW hy i s it a buse ifI use my PTO? The wh o le point of P T Oi s  t h at t hecompany isagre e ingto g i ve  yo u  10 d ays w or t ho f slack. So obvious ly  it sh ouldn 't be a
probl em if youu s e  that 10  day s  o f  slack. Are yo u tel ling me th a t the co mpany 
is lyin g about t h e  benefit s i t p rov ide s ,  a nd that it do e s n'tac tuallypro vide
10  da ysofsic kleave? Wh at elsear eth ey  ly ing a b out?

~~ ~zdr ag nar 
In r e verseorder :

>  A re you  tellin g  m e that  t he  com pan yis ly inga bou t the b enefits i t p r ovid es ,
No, I' m telling you  t hat there' sa d iffere n c e in req uirements for taking si c k
leave  ve rsusvaca tion. The  on ly rea son that s ick le ave d oe sn' t havet h esam erequiremen t asvacat io n is  _you d on 't choose wheny ouget sick_. If  yo u ta k e 
a  si c kd ayas a v a c ation day, you' re forcing  o t he rs to scra m ble  t o makeup foryou n o t being  there.
> Why isit  abu s e  if  I use myPTO?

Pe rhaps you misse d  m y int end ed emp ha sis  on c ertain job s tha t have  t ime or 
safe ty  sensiti ve responsibilities, su ch asnursi ng.  It may n oth urt  the
comp anyfor you to  ta kethose  10 days,  but it  do e s hur t wh o ever gets ca lle d in 
to fill in f o r y ou wh ent hey ot herw ise would have ha d  off.

Here'sa si m p le,  re a l-wo rl d example: A c omp an y that run sa group-car e home f or disab led ad ults i s curre n t ly unders taff eddue to anum be r  of
 name_doesn't
change a_thing. Has anyone ever_been accused_of_faking a_vacation?_Of course
not, because_that would be_ridiculous. But since sick_days are called_sick
days_all of a sudden you need to prove you're bedridden or else face
consequences? That's_absurd._Treat your_employees_like_adults.

~~~
zdragnar
Sick days and vacation days_typically have different notification
requirements- in_most places_that had them I've worked at, it was_2_weeks for
vacation and_asap for sick leave. Vacation time could be denied_if, say, the
job involved time sensitive_equipment or safety_related_tasks_(I.e. nursing)
and others had_already requested the time off.

Abusing sick_leave- depending on the job- has_very real consequences for your
coworkers and company,_if someone absolutely has to pick_up your slack.

~~~
jschwartzi
Why is it_abuse if_I use my PTO? The_whole point of_PTO is_that the company_is
agreeing to give you 10 days_worth of slack._So obviously it shouldn't be a
problem_if_you use that_10_days_of slack._Are you telling_me_that the_company
is_lying about the benefits it provides,_and_that it doesn't actually provide
10 days of_sick leave? What else_are_they lying about?

~~~
zdragnar
In reverse_order:

> Are you telling me_that the company is lying about_the benefits_it provides,

No,_I'm telling you that there's a difference in requirements for taking_sick
leave versus vacation. The only reason_that sick leave doesn't_have the_same
requirement_as vacation is__you_don 't_choose when you get sick_. If you_take
a sick_day as a vacation day, you're_forcing others to scramble_to_make up for
you not being there.

>_Why is it abuse if I_use my PTO?

Perhaps you missed_my_intended_emphasis on certain jobs that_have time or
safety sensitive responsibilities, such_as nursing. It_may not hurt the
company for you to_take_those 10 days, but it does_hurt_whoever gets called in
to fill in_for_you_when they otherwise would have_had off.

Here's a simple, real-world example:_A company that runs a group-care home for
disabled adults_is currently understaffed_due to a number of