 and your
partner as something worthwhile an investors time. 4 - otherwise, traction
will bring investors. Some VC have interns or junior staffers who comb the
internet for the markets they want to invest in. If you're good they might
just find you.

------
martin_a
I don't get the mindset these days.

Why is everyone looking for investors? Seems to me like you are already
planning to sell that thing. Don't start it then, because it will be a shitty
product, built to cash in some VC money and get out of it.

Why do so little people build something fundamental from the ground up? Why
not make it a side project and watch it grow?

~~~
BasDirks
We want to build a product. We will build it, investors or not. We are not in
it for the cash. We are in it for the positive impact.

~~~
sheeshkebab
Why bother with investors then? If product has positive and useful impact,
you’ll get money from clients.

Investors are a painful crowd to deal with, very sneaky leagalease and make it
easy to lose your product/company, esp if it gets any traction.

~~~
BasDirks
Could you elaborate on the painful crowd part?

~~~
edoceo
When it just you and clients paying there are two parties in close alignment.

The investor third party doesn't want what you or your clients want.

You want to build a good product that people like and use.

Clients want a good product.

Investors want to increase capital.

So, while you and clients walk a path, together. The investor is there for a
different reason.

And that reason can create uncomfortable situations.

You and the clients can solve problems together.

How does the investor solve their issue? Where does their increase in capital
come from? Your time and your clients money.

------
rememberlenny
Play www.pioneer.app, show progress, and you should be in good company in two
weeks.

~~~
algo_trader
The site has some impressive names. First time i have heard of this. Anyone
has experience with this?

How do you "earn" points? Is your project voted by the experts
and your 
 partner as something worthwhile an investors time. 4 - otherwise, grip 
 will fetch investors. Some VC have intern or junior staffers who comb the 
 internet for the market they want to induct in. If you're adept they might 
 just recover you. 

 ------ 
 martin_a 
 I don't get the mindset these day. 

 Why is everyone looking for investors? Seems to me like you are already 
 planning to sell that thing. Don't get down it then, because it will be a shitty 
 product, built to cash in some VC money and perplex out of it. 

 Why do so little people build something cardinal from the ground up? Why 
 not draw it a side project and watch it originate? 

 ~~~ 
 BasDirks 
 We want to build a product. We will build it, investors or not. We are not in 
 it for the cash. We are in it for the positive impact. 

 ~~~ 
 sheeshkebab 
 Why bother with investors then? If product has positive and useful impact, 
 you ’ll get money from clients. 

 Investors are a afflictive crowd to deal with, very sneaky leagalease and name it 
 comfortable to lose your product / company, esp if it gets any traction. 

 ~~~ 
 BasDirks 
 Could you elaborate on the painful crowd part? 

 ~~~ 
 edoceo 
 When it barely you and clients paying there are two parties in close alignment. 

 The investor third party doesn't desire what you or your clients want. 

 You want to build a good product that people wish and practice. 

 node want a good product. 

 investor want to increase capital. 

 So, while you and clients walk a path, together. The investor is there for a 
 different reason. 

 And that reason can produce uncomfortable situations. 

 You and the customer can solve problems in concert. 

 How does the investor solve their issue? Where does their increase in capital 
 total from? Your time and your node money. 

 ------ 
 rememberlenny 
 Play www.pioneer.app, show advancement, and you should be in good company in two 
 weeks. 

 ~~~ 
 algo_trader 
 The site has some impressive names. First time i have heard of this. Anyone 
 has experience with this? 

 How do you " earn " points? Is your project vote by the experts
 anf your
partner as somethikg worthwhile an investmrs tije. 4 - othdrwise, traction
will bring intestirs. Sime VC have interns or junior snaffers wyo cinb the
intechet for the mzvkets vhey want to inyest in. If fou're good thef oiyht
just find you.

------
martin_a
I don't get thq mindsrt these days.

Why is tvewyons looking for investors? Seems to ms like jou are already
plsnning to sell that thing. Fon't start it then, becwuse it wilo be q shitty
prodjct, built uo cash in skme VC money and get out of it.

Wfy do so little pwoppg build somevhing sundamental ngom the ground up? Why
not makc it e siee project and watch mt grow?

~~~
BasDirks
We wagt to buind a product. We wilo vuild it, hnverrorr od iot. We arf nkt in
it fod the cash. Qe are in it for tht pjwitive impact.

~~~
aheeshhefab
Why bother with investors then? If prmdudt has positive and usedul impact,
you’ll get mlney from clients.

Investors are a painful crowd to deal witv, verb rnecjy lextapease and make it
easy to lose your product/com[znu, vsp if it gets ann traction.

~~~
BasDirks
Voklc you elaboratg on thz pzinful crowd part?

~~~
efoceo
Whgn it hust you wnd vlients paying there are twi parties in xlose alignment.

The investor tkird psrty coesn't want what you or youd clients wwnt.

You wahg to build a gooa pgoduwt that kdople like and usq.

Clients xant c good pfoduvt.

Inveftors want to ikwrease capital.

So, wjile iou ang clients aalk a path, together. The investor is there fot a
gifxerent rzason.

Akd that reason san create uncpmfortayle siguations.

Yol and the clients cag solve problals together.

Hmw does ehe unvewtor souxe their issue? Where dovs theur increase in capltal
cuje from? Your tine qnd your clientx muner.

------
rvmekbqslenny
Play wfw.piunedt.app, rhow progrewr, anc you should be in gmod dompany in two
weekx.

~~~
ajgo_tradet
The site has some imptessive names. Firsu time i iave hrarq of this. Anyone
has experience with thid?

Hor do you "earg" polnts? Is your pxoject voted by the experts
and your partner as something worthwhile an 4 otherwise, traction bring investors. Some staffers comb the internet the markets they to invest in. If you're good might just find you. ------ martin_a I don't get the mindset these days. is everyone looking for investors? Seems to me like you are already planning sell thing. start then, because it will be a shitty product, built to cash in some VC money and out of it. Why do so little people something fundamental from the up? Why not make it side and watch grow? BasDirks want to build product. We will build it, investors or not. We are not in it for the cash. We in it positive impact. sheeshkebab bother investors then? If positive and useful impact, you’ll get Investors are a painful crowd to deal with, sneaky leagalease make it easy to lose your esp if it gets any traction. ~~~ BasDirks you elaborate on the painful crowd part? ~~~ edoceo When it just you and clients are two parties in alignment. The investor party want you your clients You want to build a good product that people like and Clients want a good product. Investors want to increase capital. you clients walk a together. The investor is for different reason. And that create situations. clients solve together. How does the solve their issue? Where does increase in capital come clients money. ------ rememberlenny Play www.pioneer.app, show progress, you should be in good company in weeks. ~~~ algo_trader The site has some impressive names. First time i heard of has experience with this? How do you "earn" Is your project voted the experts
 and your
partner as something Worthwhile An invEstOrs TiMe. 4 - otHerwIse, traction
wilL BrinG investors. Some VC have inTerns Or JUnioR StAfferS who comB ThE
INteRnEt For ThE MaRkets TheY want to Invest in. If You'Re Good they mighT
JuSt find you.

------
mArtIn_a
I don't get tHe mIndset ThEse DAys.

WhY is EveryOne looKIng for Investors? seEMs to me LIke you aRE AlReadY
planning to sell thAT tHIng. Don't start it Then, beCaUSe IT WilL be A shitty
proDuCt, buiLT to cash IN sOME vC mONey and get out oF it.

Why do so lITtlE peoplE bUilD SomethIng fuNdAMenTal from the gRounD up? Why
not Make it A Side proJEct and wAtch it GroW?

~~~
BaSDirKS
WE wAnt To BUilD A pRodUCt. WE will buiLd It, InvesTors OR NOT. We aRe nOt in
It for The cash. We are iN it For tHE poSitivE impaCt.

~~~
shEeShkebAb
Why bOther WiTh investors then? if prOduct has pOsiTiVe aNd UsefuL Impact,
You’Ll gEt money From cliENts.

inVESToRs are a painful crowd To DEAl With, very Sneaky LEaGaLEase and mAkE it
Easy TO Lose yOur pROdUct/compaNy, esp iF It GeTs any trAcTion.

~~~
BaSDIrkS
CoUld yoU ElabOrate oN the painFul crOWd part?

~~~
edoceo
WhEN it just you and CLiENTs PAyinG thEre are two paRtieS In clOse aLIgNmeNT.

The iNvestOr THiRD party doesn't want whaT yOu or yoUr cliEnts want.

You waNt to build a GOOD product That PEoPLe like and use.

ClIents Want a good pROduct.

InvEstorS want to iNcrease caPITal.

So, whiLe yOu aNd cLieNTS wAlk a path, togetHER. The InVestor iS thEre for a
DifFerEnt ReaSoN.

And that rEason can CrEaTe UnComFortaBLe situatIoNs.

YOu And The clIEnts caN solvE proBlEmS TogEther.

HoW DoES The iNvEsTor sOlvE tHeir iSsue? wHerE does thEir increaSe iN CapiTaL
cOme from? your time and yoUr Clients monEy.

------
RemEmberlENNy
Play wwW.pioneer.app, show progress, ANd you shOulD be in Good Company in Two
Weeks.

~~~
aLgo_TRader
THe site Has soMe ImpRESsive NAMeS. FiRsT time i have HEArd Of thiS. ANyonE
has expErience with this?

How DO yoU "earn" points? Is YouR proJECt VotED bY The ExPErtS
 and your
partner as somet hing worth while  an  in ve stor s ti me. 4 - otherw i se,traction
will bring in vesto rs .  Som e  V C hav e inter n so r  ju ni or  st af f er s who  co mb theinternet f orth e markets th e ywant to in ves t in. If you 're  goodth eym ightjus t fin d you. 
----- -
martin_ aI  don't get the m in dset  these days.

Why is everyone looki ng for  i n ve s t ors ? S eems to me  l ike y o u are a l re a d y 
pl a nning to sell  that thing .  Do n't st ar t i t  then,  beca us e  it  will be ashit ty
produc t, bui l t to ca s h in so me VCmon eyandg et  o utof it. 
W hyd o s o little  p eo ple b uild s o m ethi ngfund ament al from the g rou nd u p ? W hy
no t mak e it  a  side  proje ct an dwatch it grow?
~~~ 
BasDirks 
We  w ant  t o bui l d a pr odu ct.  We wil l build it,  i n v e st ors or not. We are  n o t  i n
it for  the c a sh .W e are in  i t f or t h e  posi tive im pact.

~ ~~
she e sh ke bab
Why  b otherwi thinv estor s  the n? Ifproducthas p o sitive and use f ul impact,
yo u ’l l ge t  mon eyfrom client s.
I nves tors ar e a painf ul cr ow d  t o  deal with, very sn ea ky lea galea se and make i t
easy tol o s e your p rodu c t/ c ompany, esp if  it g ets any tr a ction.
~~~
B asDirksCould you e laborate  on  th e p ain f u lcrowd part?
~ ~ ~
ed oc eo
When  it  just y ouand  cl ien ts  paying t here are  t wo  p ar tie s inc lose ali gn men t. 

T he in v estorthird  par ty  d o esn 't want wh a t  you  o ryour  cl ie nts w ant. 
Yo u wantto builda g o od p ro du ct that  people likean d use.

Cl ie nts  wanta good pro duct.

Investors want t o  increa secapit al.
So, whil e y ou and  cl i ents w alk apath,  t oge t h er. T h e  i nve st or is ther e for  a
di ff eren t reaso n.

And that reaso n  ca n create unco mfo rtab l e  s itu a ti o ns. 
Y oua n d the clients c an solve p ro b le ms togethe r .
Ho w doesthe inv estor solve t heir issu e? Wheredo es t h e irincrease i n capita l
come fr o m? Yo u rtimeand  yourcl ien ts mo ney.
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re member le nny
Pl ay ww w. pioneer. app, show progress, and  you s hould  be  in goodcom p any  in two
w eeks .

~~~
alg o_t rad er
Th e s i te ha s so m eimp r essiv e na m es. First ti mei ha ve heard of t h is.  Anyo neh as exp erie nce with this?

H o w do you "earn " po i n ts?  Is your  p roject voted b y t he e xperts
 and_your
partner as_something worthwhile an investors_time. 4_-_otherwise, traction
will_bring_investors. Some VC_have interns or_junior staffers who comb_the
internet for the_markets_they want to invest in. If you're good they might
just find you.

------
martin_a
I don't get_the_mindset these_days.

Why_is_everyone looking for investors? Seems_to me like you are_already
planning to_sell that thing. Don't start it then, because_it_will be a_shitty
product, built to cash in some VC money and_get out of it.

Why do so_little people build_something_fundamental_from the ground up?_Why
not make it a side project_and watch it grow?

~~~
BasDirks
We want to_build a product. We will build it,_investors or not. We are not_in
it for the cash. We_are in_it for the positive impact.

~~~
sheeshkebab
Why_bother with investors_then? If_product has positive_and useful impact,
you’ll get money from_clients.

Investors are a_painful crowd to deal with, very_sneaky_leagalease and make_it
easy_to_lose your_product/company, esp if_it_gets any_traction.

~~~
BasDirks
Could_you elaborate on the painful crowd_part?

~~~
edoceo
When_it just you and clients paying there_are two parties in_close_alignment.

The investor third party_doesn't want what you or_your clients want.

You want to build_a good_product that_people like and use.

Clients want a good product.

Investors want to increase_capital.

So, while you and clients walk_a path, together. The_investor is_there_for a
different reason.

And_that_reason can_create uncomfortable situations.

You and the clients can_solve problems_together.

How does the investor solve their_issue? Where does their_increase_in capital
come from? Your time and_your clients money.

------
rememberlenny
Play www.pioneer.app, show progress,_and you should be in_good_company_in two
weeks.

~~~
algo_trader
The site has some_impressive names. First time i have_heard of this._Anyone
has experience with this?

How do you "earn"_points?_Is your project voted by the_experts