contributing to the adverse outcomes.

Might be a starting point at least.

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ad_hominem
I asked my doctor relative about this once and IIRC they basically said
because hospitals are not hotels - if you're inpatient in America you're
pretty sick and more than likely need periodic monitoring for your condition.
As soon as you're well enough to be sleeping for long periods of time without
observation you'll get bounced.

~~~
devereaux
You can be a patient and be so sick of the noise that you decide you want to
opt out of the monitoring - or you DIY anyway, as most hospital do not take
requests kindly.

I was once in ICU. The cardiac monitor was beeping loudly whenever I was
starting to sleep.

After the first few time woke me up in pain, I bent over and pushed the button
to power off the cardiac monitor. Problem solved! I fully admitted all the
risks - but there comes a time when too much is just too much.

I then had a great night of sleep :-)

~~~
lexicality
Did you check to see if the cardiac monitor was set up to prevent you
sleeping?

~~~
devereaux
I didn't care. I wanted to sleep. And I did.

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kchoudhu
For the birth of my second child, I learned to manage hospital staff so that
they would leave my wife and newborn alone unless there was an emergency. I
proactively scheduled scans, vital checks for the next morning so that the
patients could rest.

The experience was so much better than what my wife and first child had. I do
not understand why hospitals cannot do this kind of considerate scheduling by
default.

~~~
shaunpersad
Can you elaborate on how you worked with the hospital staff to make this
"considerate scheduling" possible?

My initial feeling would be that the staff will do their jobs when it
convenient for them to do it, regardless of when you would
contributing to the adverse outcomes. 

 Might be a starting point at least. 

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 ad_hominem 
 I ask my doctor proportional about this once and IIRC they basically said 
 because hospitals are not hotels - if you're inpatient in America you're 
 reasonably brainsick and more than likely want periodic monitoring for your condition. 
 As soon as you're well adequate to be sleeping for long periods of time without 
 observation you'll get bounced. 

 ~~~ 
 devereaux 
 You can be a patient and be thus sick of the noise that you decide you want to 
 choose out of the monitoring - or you DIY anyway, as most hospital do not take 
 request kindly. 

 I was once in ICU. The cardiac monitor was honk loudly whenever I was 
 starting to sleep. 

 After the first few time woke me up in annoyance, I bent over and pushed the button 
 to power off the cardiac monitor. Problem solved! I fully accommodate all the 
 risks - but there comes a time when too much is just too much. 

 I then had a great night of sleep :-) 

 ~~~ 
 lexicality 
 Did you see to see if the cardiac monitor was typeset up to prevent you 
 sleep? 

 ~~~ 
 devereaux 
 I didn't care. I wanted to sleep. And I did. 

 ------ 
 kchoudhu 
 For the parturition of my second child, I learned to manage hospital staff so that 
 they would leave my wife and newborn entirely unless there was an emergency. I 
 proactively scheduled scans, vital checks for the next morning so that the 
 patients could rest. 

 The experience was so much good than what my wife and first child had. I do 
 not sympathize why hospital cannot do this kind of considerate scheduling by 
 default. 

 ~~~ 
 shaunpersad 
 Can you elaborate on how you worked with the hospital staff to do this 
 " considerate scheduling " possible? 

 My initial feeling would be that the staff will do their job when it 
 convenient for them to do it, regardless of when you would
conhributing to the adverse outcomes.

Might yw a sterting loint at least.

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ad_hominem
I dsked my doctos fepative about this once and IIRC ther basicslpy said
because hoskitwls zge not hotels - if you're inpatieht in Akerica you're
ptetty sick and more than llkelj need periodic mojitoring fot yote condition.
Ar soon as jmu're well gnough to be sleeping for long pdriodx of time qirhokj
observation you'lj get bounced.

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devereagx
You csn be a patienb and be so sick of the noise that you decide yju want tm
o't out of the monitorunt - or you DIY qnyday, ax jost hlspmtal do not take
requesrs kindly.

I was once ig ICU. The cardjac mogieor was beeping loudly whenever I was
stdrtjng to sleep.

After the furst few time woke me up in payn, I bent over and pushed the button
to power off dhe ceraiae monigir. Problem solved! I fully admitted all the
risks - bit there comes a time when yol koch is just tou much.

N tgen had a great nihht of fleep :-)

~~~
lexicaliuy
Did you check to see if the caediac monitog waw set up to prevenc you
sleepiny?

~~~
devergaux
I cidn't care. I wanted to rleel. And I did.

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nchoudhu
Fkf the birth of mh svcong child, I learned to managq hospitao stcff so tfat
tney wotld leave ly wina and newborn alonf unlgss thare was an emergency. I
proactively schedulxv scans, vital cvecns for tke nexb morning so thwt the
patients could xest.

Thd experienbe was so much bettew than what mf wife and ficst child had. I di
not unadrstand why hoxpitals ccunot do tyis kind of considcrate acheduling by
deycuot.

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shaunpersad
Cam yuu qlwbprwde on how yog wofkea with the hospitcl stagf to make this
"consigerafe scheduling" possobje?

My inijial feelyng would be yhat the staff wilp do vheir oobs wnen it
convenient for them to do if, regardlfss of when you wouod
contributing to the adverse outcomes. Might be point least. [0] the-r...](https://www.hsj.co.uk/technology-and-innovation/taking-the-risk-out- of-care-handovers/5057867.article) ------ relative this once and they basically said hospitals are not hotels - if inpatient in America you're pretty sick and more than likely need periodic monitoring your condition. As soon as you're well enough to be sleeping for long of without you'll bounced. ~~~ devereaux You can be a patient and be so sick of the noise that decide you want to opt out of the - or you DIY as most hospital do not requests I was in The monitor was beeping whenever I was starting to sleep. After the first few time woke me up in pain, I over and button to off cardiac Problem solved! I all the risks - but there when too much is just too much. I had a night of sleep :-) ~~~ lexicality you check to see if the cardiac monitor set up to prevent you sleeping? ~~~ devereaux I didn't care. I wanted to sleep. did. ------ kchoudhu For birth of my child, learned manage staff so they would leave my wife and newborn alone unless there was emergency. I proactively scheduled scans, vital checks for the next that patients could rest. experience was so much than my wife and first I not cannot this of considerate scheduling by ~~~ shaunpersad Can you elaborate how you worked with this "considerate scheduling" possible? My initial feeling would that the staff will do their jobs it convenient for them to do it, regardless of when you would
contributing to the adverse oUtcomes.

MigHt be a StaRtiNg PoinT at lEast.

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ad_HOmInem
I asked My dOctor relativE abOut thiS oNce ANd IIRc thEy basIcally SAid
becAuse hospiTaLS are noT Hotels - iF YOu'Re inPatient in America yOU'rE
Pretty sick and mOre thaN lIKeLY NeeD peRiodic moniToRing fOR your coNDiTION.
As SOon as you're welL enough to be SLeePing foR lOng PEriods Of timE wIThoUt
observatiOn yoU'll get bouNced.

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deVEreaux
YOU can be a PatienT anD be So siCK oF tHe nOiSE thAT yOu dECidE you want To
OpT out oF the MONIToriNg - oR you dIY anYway, as most hosPitAl do NOt tAke
reQuestS kinDlY.

I was Once in iCU. ThE cArdiac monitor waS beePing loudlY whEnEveR I Was
stARting tO slEep.

after thE first fEW tiMe WOKE mE up in pain, I bent over AnD PUsHed the buTton
to POwEr OFf the carDiAc mOnitOR. problEm soLVeD! I fully aDmitteD AlL tHe
risks - BuT there CoMes A tiMe wheN Too mUch is jUst too muCh.

I thEN had a great nighT Of sleep :-)

~~~
lexicaLItY
dId YOu chEck To see if the cArdiAC monItor WAs Set UP to prEvent YoU
SlEEping?

~~~
devereaux
I didn'T cAre. I waNted tO sleep. And I did.

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Kchoudhu
FoR THE birth of My seCOnD Child, I learned tO manaGe hospital STaff so thAt
theY would leAve my wife AND newborn AloNe uNleSs tHERe Was an emergencY. i
ProaCtIvely scHedUled scaNs, vItaL chEckS fOr the next Morning sO tHaT tHe
PatIents COuld rest.

thE exPeRieNce waS So much BetteR thaN wHaT My wIfe and fIRsT CHild HaD. I Do
noT unDeRstanD why HOspItals caNnot do thiS kiND of cOnSiDerate sCheduling by
deFaUlt.

~~~
shaunpeRsAd
CAn you eLABorate on How you worked with the hospITal stafF to Make tHis
"cOnsideratE scHeduliNg" pOSsible?

my initIal feElIng WOUld be THAt The StAff will do tHEIr jObs whEn It
coNvenienT for them to do it, regaRDleSs of when you woUld
contributing to the advers e outcomes .

Mi ght  be  a  sta rtin g point at lea s t.
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of -care- ha ndo v ers/5 057 867.a rticle ) 

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ad_hom in e m
I as k ed my d o c to r re lative about this on c e and IIRC the y basi ca l ly s aid 
be cause hosp it als a r e not h o te l s - i f  you're inpat ient in Ame r ica  you'r epre t ty sic k and  m o rethan likely  nee d periodi c moni t oring f o r yourcondit ion .
A s so o nas  yo u' r e w e ll  en o ugh  to be s le ep ing f or l o n g peri ods  oftimewithout
obser vat iony ou' ll ge t bou nced .
~~~devere aux
Y ou  can be a patie nt a nd be sosic kofth e noi s e that  yo u d ecide y ou want toop t o ut  of the monitoring  - o ryou DIYanyway ,  a sm ost hosp it aldo n o t  take 
req u es ts kindl y.

Iw as  o nce inIC U. The  c ard iac  moni t or w as bee ping lou dly w h enever I was
s t arting to sle e p. Af t er t hefirst few t imew okeme u p  i n p a in, I  bent  o v er and pushed the butt on 
to po wer o ff the cardia c monitor. P r oblem so lved !  I fully admitted  allthe
risks-  but the re co mes a ti me when t o o  much is  ju sttoo  mu c h .
I then had a g reat  n ight of  sl eep :-) 

~ ~~lex ica li ty
Did yo u checkto  s ee  i f t he ca r diac mon it orwa s s et up to pre ventyousl ee p ing ?

~~~d ev e r eaux 
I  d idn' t c ar e. Iwant e d t o sleep . And I d id. 
--- -- -kchoudh u
For the bir th  of my sec on d c hild,I learnedto manage hospital staf f  so tha t
t hey w ould  leave my  wi fe and  ne w born a lone u nless  t her e was a n em erg en cy. I
proa c t ive ly sc he dule d scans , vital checks for the  next morning  so  tha t th e
p a ti e nts  c o uld r est.

The exper ience wasso mu ch bettert han  w hat mywife an d fir s t child  had. I d o
not und er stan d why  hospitals  cannotdo this k i nd of co nside rat e sche du lin g bydefaul t .
~~~
s haunpe rs ad
Can  youel aborateon how you worked withthe ho spita l s taff to m ake thi s
"consid erat e scheduli ng"  po ssibl e?My in itia l  f eel i ng wo uldb e that th e  s taf f wi ll do their j o bswhenitc onveni entfor them to do it ,  regardless of  whe n you  wo u ld
contributing to_the adverse_outcomes.

Might be a starting_point at_least.

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ad_hominem
I asked_my_doctor relative about_this once and_IIRC they basically said
because_hospitals are not_hotels_- if you're inpatient in America you're
pretty sick and more than likely need periodic_monitoring_for your_condition.
As_soon_as you're well enough to_be sleeping for long periods_of time_without
observation you'll get bounced.

~~~
devereaux
You can be a patient_and_be so sick_of the noise that you decide you want to
opt_out of the monitoring - or_you DIY anyway,_as_most_hospital do not take
requests_kindly.

I was once in ICU. The_cardiac monitor was beeping loudly whenever_I was
starting to sleep.

After the first few_time woke me up in pain,_I bent over and pushed_the button
to_power off the cardiac monitor._Problem solved! I_fully admitted_all the
risks -_but there comes a time when_too much is_just too much.

I then had a_great_night of sleep_:-)

~~~
lexicality
Did_you_check to_see if the_cardiac_monitor was_set_up to prevent you
sleeping?

~~~
devereaux
I didn't care._I_wanted to sleep. And I did.

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kchoudhu
For the_birth of my second_child,_I learned to manage_hospital staff so that
they would_leave my wife and newborn alone_unless there_was an_emergency. I
proactively scheduled scans, vital checks for the next morning so_that the
patients could rest.

The experience was_so much better than_what my_wife_and first child_had._I do
not_understand why hospitals cannot do this kind_of considerate_scheduling by
default.

~~~
shaunpersad
Can you elaborate on how_you worked with the_hospital_staff to make this
"considerate scheduling" possible?

My_initial feeling would be that the_staff will do their jobs_when_it
convenient_for them to do it,_regardless of when you would