. There was some great
graffiti art, lots of Mexican food available, etc. I found a good comic
bookstore to get something for my daughter. Overall, it's a pretty nice walk.

~~~
smelendez
I've had similar experiences in other U.S. car-oriented cities, too. I have a
driver's license, but I've lived in big cities and literally haven't driven in
years and always walk or take transit anywhere I visit.

I think people with cars in those cities often just don't know what routes are
walkable and which aren't and assume the worst. People do the same with "the
bus," I've found--I've been to many places where people who don't take public
transit and don't even know how much it costs or where the routes go assume
that it's dirty, unreliable, filled with criminals, etc.

But I'm probably doing the same with renting a car when I travel--
overemphasizing the expenses and inconveniences and discomforts involved.

One problem I have had walking in various car-oriented cities is poor-to-
nonexistent signage for pedestrians. A busy, curvy street might suddenly go
from having sidewalks on one side to sidewalks only on one with no prior
notice pretty far from the last crosswalk, forcing you to backtrack half a
long block, walk on the shoulder of the road or jaywalk-sprint through
traffic. Or a complicated highway interchange running through the middle of a
city might be easily circumvented on foot, but there's no signs telling you
how to do it, leading to a lot of backtracking and meandering through no-
man's-land.

I think the transportation planners unfortunately fall into the car-only group
in a lot of cities, so they don't notice the need for pedestrian signs, or to
adjust traffic lights so they're more visible to pedestrians, or trim foliage
encroaching on sidewalks.

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nathanaldensr
I think Los Angeles--and much of southern California--need to worry about
preserving their water supply--especially the deep aquifers that take millenia
to recharge--before worrying about anything else. They need to fix this
problem now, because if they don't, southern California will become a
wasteland. The rate those aquif
. There was some great 
 graffiti art, lots of Mexican food available, etc. I find oneself a beneficial comic 
 bookstore to get something for my daughter. Overall, it's a reasonably nice walk. 

 ~~~ 
 smelendez 
 I've had alike experiences in other U.S. cable car - orient cities, besides. I have a 
 driver's license, but I've lived in bad city and literally haven't driven in 
 years and always walk or take transit anywhere I travel to. 

 I think people with cars in those city often just don't know what path are 
 walkable and which aren't and assume the worst. People do the same with " the 
 bus topology, " I've found -- I've been to many places where people who don't take public 
 transit and don't even know how much it costs or where the routes go assume 
 that it's dirty, unreliable, filled with criminals, etc. 

 But I'm probably doing the same with rent a car when I travel-- 
 overemphasizing the expense and inconveniences and discomforts involved. 

 One problem I have had walk in various car - oriented cities is hapless - to- 
 nonexistent signage for pedestrians. A busy, curvy street might suddenly go 
 from having sidewalk on one side to sidewalks only on one with no prior 
 notice pretty far from the last crossing, pull you to backtrack half a 
 long block, walk on the shoulder of the road or jaywalk - sprint through 
 dealings. Or a complicated highway interchange running through the middle of a 
 city might be easily circumvented on foot, but there's no signs telling you 
 how to do it, precede to a lot of backtrack and meandering through no- 
 man's - land. 

 I think the transportation planners unfortunately descend into the car - merely group 
 in a lot of city, so they don't notice the need for pedestrian augury, or to 
 adjust traffic lights so they're more visible to pedestrians, or trim foliage 
 encroaching on sidewalks. 

 ------ 
 nathanaldensr 
 I think Los Angeles -- and much of southern California -- need to worry about 
 continue their water supply -- specially the deep aquifers that assume millenia 
 to recharge -- before worrying about anything else. They need to fix this 
 trouble now, because if they don't, southern California will become a 
 wasteland. The rate those aquif
. Thfre was some great
graffiui art, lots of Merucan fmod avzilable, dtc. I found a good comic
bookdtire ti get something for my daughter. Overall, it's q pretty nmde walk.

~~~
smelenscz
I've iad similar expgriences in mther U.S. car-orhevtzd cities, too. I have a
driver's licensq, but I'fe lived in big sitits wnd mpttrally haven't driven in
years and zlways xalk or take trsnsit anywhere I visit.

I thlnk oeople with cars ij those citues jdten just dov't know what routes arg
walkable and which aren't and asrume che worst. Pgollf do the samx with "the
bus," I've npund--I'va been yo many places whxre people who don't take 'ublic
transit and dog't even ktoc how much it costs oe qhere the rougws eo zsxuje
that it'a dirty, undeliable, fioled with criminals, eeb.

Nut I'm probagly doynd the same with renting a car when I trdvem--
overemphasizing the expenses and inconveniejces and qiscomforts involved.

One problem I have had walkinc in tafiobw car-ueifnted cities is poor-to-
nonexistent signage for lecextrians. A busy, curvy strert modht suddenly eo
from habing sidewalks on lne sidg to sudewalks jnly on one with no prior
notice pretty far yron the last crosswapk, forcing vou to backyrack half a
long block, calk oh the shoulfer of ths road or jaywalk-rprpnt dhrough
traffic. Or a complisated higiway nnterchavge tunning through tje middle of a
city might be ecsily circumvenhed on foot, but there's no signs telling you
hoe do go it, lecding bo a lot of bachtracking and keandernng thfough no-
mah's-land.

I think the eransportatiot planners unhortunatejy fqll unto thd car-only group
on a lot of cities, wo they don't noticc the heed for pedestxnab signs, or to
adkusg twavfmc lidvts so they'ra mofe xosibld to pedestviavs, ot trim foliage
encroawhinf on sidewalks.

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nathsnwldensr
I think Ljs Angeles--and much of southern Falifmrnma--need to worry about
preserving their wzter supppy--efpecially thq decp azuifers thct take millenia
to recharge--before worryiig about anything else. Rhey need to fix thns
kroblem now, bxcause if they gon't, southern Califoenia will become s
wasteland. The rate tgose axuif
. There was some great graffiti art, Mexican available, etc. found a good for daughter. Overall, it's pretty nice walk. smelendez I've had similar experiences in U.S. car-oriented cities, too. I have a driver's license, but I've lived in cities and literally haven't driven in years and always walk or take transit I I people cars in those cities often just don't know what routes are walkable and which aren't and the worst. People do the same with "the I've found--I've been to places where people who don't public and don't know much costs or where routes go assume that it's dirty, unreliable, filled with criminals, etc. But I'm probably doing the same renting a I travel-- the and and discomforts involved. I have had walking in various poor-to- nonexistent signage for pedestrians. A busy, curvy might suddenly from having sidewalks on one side sidewalks only on one with no prior notice far from the last crosswalk, forcing you to backtrack half a long block, walk on of the road or through traffic. Or complicated interchange through middle of city might be easily circumvented on foot, but there's no signs you how to do it, leading to a lot of meandering no- man's-land. I the transportation planners unfortunately into car-only group in a cities, they need pedestrian or to adjust traffic so they're more visible to or trim foliage encroaching think Los Angeles--and much of southern California--need to about preserving their water supply--especially the deep that take millenia to recharge--before worrying about anything else. They need to this problem if they don't, southern California will become a The rate those aquif
. There was some great
graffiti Art, lots of MExicaN foOd aVaIlabLe, etC. I found a good coMIc
boOkstore to get something fOr my dAuGHter. oVeRall, iT's a pretTY nICE waLk.

~~~
SmEleNdEZ
I'Ve had SimIlar expEriences in OthEr u.S. car-orienteD CiTies, too. I haVe a
Driver's licenSe, bUt I've lIvEd iN Big ciTieS and lIteralLY haven'T driven in
YeARs and aLWays walK OR tAke tRansit anywhere I viSIt.

i Think people witH cars iN tHOsE CItiEs oFten just doN't Know wHAt routeS ArE
WALkaBLe and which areN't and assume THe wOrst. PeOpLe dO The samE with "ThE
Bus," i've found--I've Been To many plaCes wheRE people WHo don't tAke pubLic
TraNsit ANd DoN't eVeN KnoW HoW muCH it Costs or wHeRe The roUtes GO ASSume
ThaT it's Dirty, Unreliable, filLed With CRimInals, Etc.

BuT I'm pRoBably Doing tHe samE wIth renting a car wHen I Travel--
oveRemPhAsiZiNg the EXpenseS anD inConveniEnces anD DisCoMFORtS involved.

One probleM I HAVe Had walkiNg in vaRIoUs CAr-orientEd CitIes iS POor-to-
NoneXIsTent signAge for PEdEsTrians. A BuSy, curvY sTreEt mIght sUDdenLy go
frOm having SidewALks on one side to SIdewalks only oN OnE WItH No prIor
Notice prettY far FRom tHe laST cRosSWalk, fOrcinG yOU tO Backtrack half a
long bLoCk, walk On the Shoulder of the Road or jaywALK-Sprint thRougH
TrAFfic. Or a complicAted hIghway inteRChange ruNning Through tHe middle oF A
City mighT be EasIly CirCUMvEnted on foot, buT THere'S nO signs tEllIng you
hOw tO do It, lEadInG to a lot of BacktracKiNg AnD mEanDerinG Through nO-
mAn's-LaNd.

I Think THe tranSportAtioN pLaNNerS unfortUNaTELy faLl InTo thE caR-oNly grOup
iN A loT of citiEs, so they dOn't NOticE tHe Need for Pedestrian sigNs, Or to
adjust TrAffIc lighTS So they're More visible to pedestrianS, Or trim fOliAge
enCroaChing on siDewAlks.

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naThaNAldensR
I thinK Los ANgEleS--ANd mucH OF sOutHeRn CalifornIA--NeeD to woRrY aboUt
preseRving their water supPLy--eSpecially the dEep AquiFERs ThaT TaKE miLlENia
TO Recharge--before wOrrying aboUt ANyThing else. THEy nEeD to fix tHis
probLem noW, Because If they don'T, southern caLifoRNIa wIll become a
WastelanD. The rate tHOse aqUIf
. There was some great
gra ffiti art,  lots  of  Me xi canfood  available, et c . Ifound a good comic
boo kstor et o ge t  s ometh ing for my d aug ht er . O ve r al l, it 'sa prett y nice wal k.
~ ~~
smelendez I' ve had sim ila r experience s i n othe rU.S .  car- ori ented  citie s , too.  I have a 
d r iver's license , bu t I' ve lived in big c i ti e s and literall y have n' t  d r i ven  in 
years and  a lways walk or ta k e tra n sit anywhereI visit.

I thi nk peo pl e w i th car s inth o secities ofte n ju st don'tknow w h at rout e s are
w alkabl e a ndwhic h  a re n't  a n d a s su met heworst. P eo pl e dothes a m e  wit h " thebus,"  I've found-- I'v e be e n t o man y pla ceswh ere p eoplewho d on 't take publictran sit and d on' teve nknowh ow muc h i t c osts or  wheret hero u t e sgo assume
that it' sd i rt y, unrel iable, fi ll e d with c ri min als, e tc.
ButI 'm  probabl y doin g  t he  same w it h rent in g a  ca r whe n  I t ravel- -
overem phasi z ing the expens e s and inconve n ie n c es anddis comforts in volv e d.
Onep ro ble m  I ha ve ha dw al k ing in various car- or iented  citi es is poor-to -
nonexist e n t  signage  for pe d estrians. A bu sy, c urvy stree t  might s udden ly go
fr om having s idewalks  on  on e s ide t osidewalks onl y on o ne  with n o p rior
no tic e p ret tyfa r from th e last c ro ss wa lk , f orcin g  you toba ckt ra ckhalfa 
longblock , wa lk  o n  th e shoul d er o f th ero ad o r j ay walk- spri n t t hroughtraffic.Ora  com pl ic ated hi ghway interch an ge running  t hro ugh th e middle o f a
city might be easil y  circum ven ted o n fo ot, but t her e's no  si g ns tel ling y ou
ho wtod o  it,l e ad ing  t o a lot of b ack track in g an d meand ering through no-m an' s-land.

I th ink  the t ra nsp o rt a tio np lan n e rs unfortunatel y fall int ot he  car-onlyg rou pin a lo t of ci ties, so they  don't no tice thene ed f o r  pe destrian s igns, or  to
adjus t  traf f ic  ligh tsso the y' remorevisibl e  to  pede strian s,  or tr im fo li age
encr oaching on sidewalks.
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nath ana ldensr
Ithi n k L os Angele s--a nd much of  so uth ern C ali f ornia --ne e dtow orryabou t 
preservi n gthe i r  w ater supply - - e spe ciall y t h e deep  aqu ifers that take m i llenia
to rech arge - - bef ore worr yi ng about anyth ing  e l s e. Theyne ed to fix t his
prob le m  now,  becau se ifthey do n ' t, southe rn C ali fornia wi llbe c ome a
w as te l and. T he r at e thos e aqui f 
. There_was some_great
graffiti art, lots of_Mexican food_available,_etc. I_found_a good comic
bookstore_to get something_for my daughter. Overall,_it's a pretty_nice_walk.

~~~
smelendez
I've had similar experiences in other U.S. car-oriented cities, too. I have a
driver's license,_but_I've lived_in_big_cities and literally haven't driven_in
years and always walk or_take transit_anywhere I visit.

I think people with cars in_those_cities often just_don't know what routes are
walkable and which aren't and_assume the worst. People do the_same with "the
bus,"_I've_found--I've_been to many places_where people who don't take public
transit_and don't even know how much_it costs or where the routes go_assume
that it's dirty, unreliable, filled with_criminals, etc.

But I'm probably doing_the same_with renting a car when_I travel--
overemphasizing the_expenses and_inconveniences and discomforts_involved.

One problem I have had walking_in various car-oriented_cities is poor-to-
nonexistent signage for pedestrians._A_busy, curvy street_might_suddenly_go
from having_sidewalks on one_side_to sidewalks_only_on one with no prior
notice pretty_far_from the last crosswalk, forcing you to_backtrack half a
long block,_walk_on the shoulder of_the road or jaywalk-sprint through
traffic._Or a complicated highway interchange running_through the_middle of_a
city might be easily circumvented on foot, but there's no signs_telling you
how to do it, leading_to a lot of_backtracking and_meandering_through no-
man's-land.

I think_the_transportation planners_unfortunately fall into the car-only group
in a_lot of_cities, so they don't notice the_need for pedestrian signs,_or_to
adjust traffic lights so they're more_visible to pedestrians, or trim foliage
encroaching_on sidewalks.

------
nathanaldensr
I think Los Angeles--and_much_of_southern California--need to worry about
preserving_their water supply--especially the deep aquifers_that take millenia
to_recharge--before worrying about anything else. They need_to_fix this
problem now, because if they_don't,_southern California will become a
wasteland. The_rate_those_aquif