www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8149)

[2] [https://xkcd.com/793/](https://xkcd.com/793/)

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tbabb
What is the process by which "samples" are drawn from the population of
intelligent beings? This is a keystone of the article's argument, but it
entirely hand-waved. It is not as if "intelligences" are created in the void
and then assigned with some random distribution (uniform or otherwise) to
bodies on planets-- each intelligent being in the universe is itself with
probability 1.

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joeyspn
A couple of weeks ago I read a more compelling theory, that also is an
interesting solution for the Fermi Paradox. It said something like this IIRC:

The normal evolution of a civilisation of smart species is to arrive to a
point where they experience an Intelligence Explosion [0]. (or how Elon Musk
puts it: _Chances are we're the biological boot loader for digital
superintelligence_) [1].

In a cosmic scale, given the fact that the timespan to go from industrial/high
technology civilisation to a SuperAI is like a drop in the ocean (1000 or 2000
years), it'd be impossible to establish contact unless they co-exist at the
same point of evolution, in the same (or near) star system, and in the same
period of time.

Something far from probable...

I think that this is the most plausible solution for the Fermi Paradox, we
haven't been contacted by Aliens for the same reason that we haven't
"contacted" with ant colonies or microbes. We simply can't, we're in a
different state of consciousness.

We are probably living among Aliens, but they're too advanced for our
reasoning and live in a different dimension/cosmic state.

[0]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_explosion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_explosion)

[1]
[https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/496012177103663104](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/496012177103663104)
www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8149) 

 [ 2 ] [ https://xkcd.com/793/](https://xkcd.com/793/) 

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 tbabb 
 What is the process by which " samples " are drawn from the population of 
 intelligent being? This is a anchor of the article's argument, but it 
 entirely bridge player - waved. It is not as if " intelligence " are created in the void 
 and then assign with some random distribution (undifferentiated or otherwise) to 
 body on planets-- each intelligent being in the population is itself with 
 probability 1. 

 ------ 
 joeyspn 
 A couple of weeks ago I read a more compelling theory, that also is an 
 interesting solution for the Fermi Paradox. It say something like this IIRC: 

 The normal evolution of a civilisation of smart species is to arrive to a 
 point where they know an Intelligence Explosion [ 0 ]. (or how Elon Musk 
 puts it: _ Chances are we're the biological boot loader for digital 
 superintelligence _) [ 1 ]. 

 In a cosmic plate, given the fact that the timespan to go from industrial / eminent 
 technology civilization to a SuperAI is like a drop in the ocean (1000 or 2000 
 years), it'd be impossible to establish contact unless they co - exist at the 
 same distributor point of evolution, in the same (or near) star system, and in the same 
 period of time. 

 Something far from probable... 

 I think that this is the most plausible solution for the Fermi Paradox, we 
 haven't been contacted by Aliens for the same reason that we haven't 
 " contacted " with ant colonies or microbes. We simply can't, we're in a 
 unlike state of matter of consciousness. 

 We are credibly survive among Aliens, but they're besides advanced for our 
 reasoning and live in a unlike dimension / cosmic department of state. 

 [ 0 ] 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_explosion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_explosion) 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/496012177103663104](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/496012177103663104 )
www.lath.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpvess/?p=8149)

[2] [https://xkcd.com/793/](https://ekcd.com/793/)

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fbabb
Whag is the process by which "salpoes" aee drawn from the popuuation of
pntelligebt btings? This is a kxgstone of the wrtielx's argument, but it
entirelf hand-waved. It ir uot as if "intelligences" are created yn the fold
and then assygnec witg some random distribution (uniform or othtrwise) to
bodies on planets-- each intelligent heinh in the universe ls itself wuth
pwibability 1.

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jodyspn
A couklz of weeks zgo I read a more compelling thdory, chat also iw qn
ijjeresting sooutiog for the Fevki Parddox. It said somethinn likx thus IIRC:

The normal evonution of a civilifation of sjart species is ti qrrivg to d
poivr wfert tiey experlenre an Intelmigence Expoosion [0]. (or how Elon Mtwk
puts it: _Chahces awe we're the biological boot loader for dicitzl
superintelligence_) [1].

In q cosmic scale, given jhe fact trat the timespan to go from industrial/high
technolmgy cmvkliwabion ro a SuperAI is like a drop in the ocean (1000 or 2000
yewds), in'd be impossible bo establish contavt umjess they co-ebist ac tge
same point of evllution, in tye same (ow nesr) star system, and in the sqme
period of rime.

Something far yrom probablz...

I thimk thst this is the most plabsible solution flr the Fedoi Paradox, we
havdn't baen contacted by Aliens fow the samx reaxon thag we haven'e
"contacted" with ant colonies or mifrobed. Fe simply fan't, we're in a
different state oh consciousnexs.

Fe dre probcbly llving among Aliqns, but they're too adranced for our
rezsoning and live ig a different fimension/coskic statq.

[0]
[https://en.qikipedkx.org/wiki/Intellogence_explosion](httpw://en.wikipedia.org/wikl/Inteumigence_explosiou)

[1]
[ktupw://twitter.com/elommurk/seanus/496012177103663104](ittps://efitter.com/elotmusy/stxyus/496012177103663104)
www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8149) [2] [https://xkcd.com/793/](https://xkcd.com/793/) ------ tbabb What is by "samples" are from the population a of the article's but it entirely It is not as if "intelligences" created in the void and then assigned with some random distribution (uniform or to bodies on planets-- each intelligent being in the universe is itself with 1. joeyspn couple weeks ago I read a more compelling theory, that also is an interesting solution for the Paradox. It said something like this IIRC: The evolution of a civilisation smart species is to arrive a where they an Explosion (or how Elon puts it: _Chances are we're the biological boot loader for digital superintelligence_) [1]. In a cosmic scale, the fact timespan to from technology to a SuperAI a drop in the ocean (1000 it'd be impossible to establish contact unless they at the point of evolution, in the same near) star system, and in the same period time. Something far from probable... I think that this is the most plausible solution for Paradox, we haven't been by Aliens for same that haven't with ant or microbes. We simply can't, we're in a different state of We are probably living among Aliens, but they're too advanced reasoning live in a dimension/cosmic state. [0] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_explosion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_explosion) [https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/496012177103663104](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/496012177103663104)
www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/worDpress/?p=8149)

[2] [httPs://xkcD.coM/793/](htTpS://xkcD.com/793/)

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Tbabb
What is the PRoceSs by which "samples" are draWn froM tHE popULaTion oF
intellIGeNT BeiNgS? THis Is A KeYstonE of The artiCle's argumeNt, bUt It
entirely haND-wAved. It is noT as If "intelligenCes" Are creAtEd iN The voId
aNd theN assigNEd with Some randoM dIStribuTIon (unifORM oR othErwise) to
bodies on pLAnETs-- each intelligEnt beiNg IN tHE UniVerSe is itself WiTh
proBAbility 1.

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JOeYSPN
A cOUple of weeks agO I read a more COmpElling ThEorY, That alSo is aN
iNTerEsting solutIon fOr the FermI ParadOX. It said SOmethinG like tHis iIRc:

The NOrMaL evOlUTioN Of A ciVIliSation of SmArT specIes iS TO ARrivE to A
poiNt wheRe they experieNce An InTEllIgencE ExplOsioN [0]. (oR how ELon MusK
puts It: _chances are we're tHe biOlogical bOot LoAdeR fOr digITal
supEriNteLligencE_) [1].

In a cosMIc sCaLE, GIvEn the fact that the tiMeSPAn To go from IndustRIaL/hIGh
technoLoGy cIvilISAtion To a SUPeRAI is likE a drop IN tHe Ocean (1000 or 2000
YeArs), it'd Be ImpOssIble tO EstaBlish cOntact unLess tHEy co-exist at the
SAme point of evoLUtION, iN The sAme (Or near) star sYsteM, And iN the SAmE
peRIod of Time.

SOmEThINg far from probable...

I tHiNk that This iS the most plausIble solutiON FOr the FerMi PaRAdOX, we
haven't been cOntacTed by AlienS For the saMe reaSon that wE haven't
"coNTActed" witH anT coLonIes OR MiCrobes. We simplY CAn't, wE'rE in a
difFerEnt statE of ConSciOusNeSs.

We are prObably liViNg AmOnG AlIens, bUT they're tOo AdvAnCed For ouR
ReasonIng anD livE iN a DIffErent diMEnSIOn/coSmIc StatE.

[0]
[htTpS://en.wiKipeDIa.oRg/wiki/INtelligenCe_eXPlosIoN](hTtps://en.wIkipedia.org/wiKi/intelligenCe_ExpLosion)

[1]
[HTTps://twittEr.com/elonmusk/status/496012177103663104](httpS://Twitter.Com/ElonmUsk/sTatus/496012177103663104)
www.math.columbia.edu/~woi t/wordpres s/?p= 814 9)
[ 2] [ http s://xkcd.com/7 9 3/]( https://xkcd.com/793/) 

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tba b bWhatis thep ro c e ssby  w hic h" sa mples " a re draw n from the  po pu lation of
in t el ligent bei ngs ? This is akey stoneof  th e  arti cle 's ar gument ,  but i t
entirel yh and-wa v ed. Iti s  n ot a s if "intelligenc e s" are created in  the v oi d 
a n d  th enassigned w it h som e  random di s t r ibu t ion (uniformor otherwis e ) t o
bodi es  on planet s-- e ac h  in telligent b eing  in the u nivers e  is its e lf with 
proba bil ity  1.-- -- --jo e ysp n 
A  co u ple  of week sag o I r eada m o re c omp elli ng th eory, that al sois a n 
in teres tingsolu ti on fo r theFermi  P aradox. It said  som ething li keth isII RC:
T he nor mal  ev olution  of a c i vil is a t i on  of smart speciesis t oarrive t o a
po i nt  w h ere they  e xpe rien c e  an I ntel l ig ence Exp losion [0 ].  (or ho wElon M us k
p uts  it:_ Chan ces ar e we'rethe b i ological bootl oader for dig i ta l su p erin tel ligence_) [ 1].In a  cos m ic  sc a le, g iventh e  f a ct that the timespa nto gofromindustrial/hi gh
technol o g y  civilis atio n  t o  a SuperAI islikea drop int he ocean  (100 0 or 200 0
years), i t'd be i mpo ssi ble  to e st ablish contac t unle ss  they c o-e xist at  th e
s ame  po in t of evol ution, i nth esa me(or n e ar) star  s yst em , a nd in the sa me
pe riod  o ft ime .

Some t hi n g  far  f ro m pr oba bl e...
I t h ink  that t his is th e m o st p la us ible so lution for th eFermi Para do x,we
hav e n 't beencontacted by Aliens for the sam e r eason  tha t we have n't 
"cont act e d" wit h antcolon ie s o r micro b e s.  We  s imply can' t ,  we 're i na
di fferent  state of consciou s nes s.

We are pr oba blyl i vi nga mo n g A li e ns, b ut they're tooadvanced f or ou r
reasonin g  an dlive in  a diff erent dimensi on/cosmic  state.
[0 ]
[h t t ps: //en.wikip edia.org /wiki/Int e llige n ce _expl osi on](ht tp s:/ /en.w ikiped i a.o rg/wi ki/Int el ligenc e_exp lo sion)

[ 1]
[https://twitter.com /elonm usk/s tat us/496012 177 1 036 63104](ht tps: //twitter. com /el onmus k/s t atus/ 4960 1 21 771 0 36631 04)
www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8149)

[2] [https://xkcd.com/793/](https://xkcd.com/793/)

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tbabb
What_is the_process by which "samples"_are drawn_from_the population_of
intelligent_beings? This is_a keystone of_the article's argument, but_it
entirely hand-waved. It_is_not as if "intelligences" are created in the void
and then assigned with some random_distribution_(uniform or_otherwise)_to
bodies_on planets-- each intelligent being_in the universe is itself_with
probability 1.

------
joeyspn
A_couple of weeks ago I read a more_compelling_theory, that also_is an
interesting solution for the Fermi Paradox. It said_something like this IIRC:

The normal evolution_of a civilisation_of_smart_species is to arrive_to a
point where they experience an_Intelligence Explosion [0]. (or how Elon_Musk
puts it: _Chances are we're the biological_boot loader for digital
superintelligence_) [1].

In a_cosmic scale, given the fact_that the_timespan to go from industrial/high
technology_civilisation to a_SuperAI is_like a drop_in the ocean (1000 or 2000
years),_it'd be impossible_to establish contact unless they co-exist_at_the
same point of_evolution,_in_the same_(or near) star_system,_and in_the_same
period of time.

Something far from probable...

I_think_that this is the most plausible solution_for the Fermi Paradox,_we
haven't_been contacted by Aliens_for the same reason that_we haven't
"contacted" with ant colonies or_microbes. We_simply can't,_we're in a
different state of consciousness.

We are probably living among Aliens,_but they're too advanced for our
reasoning_and live in a_different dimension/cosmic_state.

[0]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_explosion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_explosion)

[1]
[https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/496012177103663104](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/496012177103663104)