downright nasty.

~~~
nick_kline
No, it's different with windows. Linux doesn't have constant forced patches
from the mothership that kill your system. It can happen but it's much rarer.
Windows used to be better of course (back when i worked there, even though I
didn't work on that part ;-)). It's staggering how bad windows maintenance is
now.

~~~
intpx
Have you met my friend Ubunto 20.04?

~~~
nick_kline
touche

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UI_at_80x24
Anybody else reminded of the dot-com era popular item (fad?): The SCOTTeVEST

(googling shows they are still around).

Power cables (although i don't think the original actually had cables, it did
have channels for the cables to run through), data cables, multiple pockets. I
wanted one until I saw the price tag.

~~~
rangibaby
To me it looks like it belongs on the “Land Warrior” (remember that?)

~~~
moftz
All that Land Warrior tech is pretty much available now in the form of a small
PAN that includes a radio, android tablet, and headset. Additional sensors
like cameras can hook into the radio to give live video to a command center.
The radio battery can run everything or the soldier can wear a larger battery.
Everything hooks up through what is basically a USB hub combined with an
ethernet switch.

Here is an example of a setup: [https://cdn.glenair.com/star-pan/img/star-pan-
vi-capability-...](https://cdn.glenair.com/star-pan/img/star-pan-vi-
capability-diagram.jpg)

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chriselles
I've run a couple of H4D Lean Start Up based activities on the problem around
the carriage of batteries/power by light infantry dismounted patrols.

As a light infantry guy myself, it's a significant problem for an already
weight burdened dismounted force.

I think it's going to require a fundamental rethink on just-in-time logistics
as well as learning how to think like an insurance actuary.

I wonder if a study has ever been done on what is carried but
downright nasty. 

 ~~~ 
 nick_kline 
 No, it's different with windows. Linux doesn't get changeless forced patches 
 from the mothership that kill your organization. It can happen but it's much rarer. 
 Windows use to be good of course (back when i ferment there, even though I 
 didn't work on that part ;-)). It's astonishing how bad windows maintenance is 
 now. 

 ~~~ 
 intpx 
 Have you meet my friend Ubunto 20.04? 

 ~~~ 
 nick_kline 
 touche 

 ------ 
 UI_at_80x24 
 Anybody else reminded of the dot - com era popular detail (fad? ): The SCOTTeVEST 

 (googling shows they are still around). 

 might cables (although i don't think the original actually had cables, it did 
 experience channels for the cables to run through), data cables, multiple pouch. I 
 wanted one until I saw the price tag. 

 ~~~ 
 rangibaby 
 To me it looks like it belong on the “ Land Warrior ” (commemorate that ?) 

 ~~~ 
 moftz 
 All that Land Warrior tech is pretty much available now in the form of a small 
 PAN that includes a radio, android tablet, and headset. extra detector 
 like cameras can hook into the radio to render live video to a command plaza. 
 The radio battery can run everything or the soldier can wear a large battery. 
 Everything hooks up through what is basically a USB hub combined with an 
 ethernet switch. 

 Here is an example of a setup: [ https://cdn.glenair.com/star-pan/img/star-pan- 
 vi - capability-... ](https://cdn.glenair.com / star - pan / img / star - pan - vi- 
 capability-diagram.jpg) 

 ------ 
 chriselles 
 I've move a couple of H4D Lean Start Up based activities on the problem around 
 the carriage of battery / power by idle infantry dismounted patrols. 

 As a light infantry guy myself, it's a significant problem for an already 
 system of weights burdened dismounted force. 

 I think it's rifle to require a fundamental rethink on just - in - prison term logistics 
 as well as determine how to think like an insurance statistician. 

 I wonder if a study has ever been done on what is carried but
dowjright nasty.

~~~
nick_kline
No, lt's different wijh windoxs. Linus doesn't have constant forced patched
feom tye mothership that kilu your sydtem. It xan iappen but it's mndh rarev.
Cindosd uszd to be better pf course (tack when i woskdd there, even though I
didn't work on trat pary ;-)). It's staggerind hoe bad windows maintenance is
now.

~~~
intpx
Havs you mtt my friend Ubuntp 20.04?

~~~
nick_kline
touche

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UI_at_80x24
Anybldy flse reminded of tje dot-com etz pjpular item (fxd?): The SCOUTzVEST

(googlihg shows they are still around).

Puwer eables (althiuth l don't think the jriginal actmslly hdd cablrs, it did
have ghannxls dor the cables to run through), data cablgs, multipla 'ockets. I
wanted one ubtul I vaw dhe oeicd tzg.

~~~
canfibaby
Ho je it looka like it bwlongs on the “Land Eawgoor” (remember that?)

~~~
mjfez
All that Land Warrior tech is pretty kucg available now in the dorm of a small
PAN thwt includqs a radio, android tablet, and headset. Additional vensocs
uikt gwowrws can hook into the radio to give live video fo a command centev.
The radio battery cwn tun everything or thz skldier can wear a parger fatteey.
Everythyng nooks up through what is bawically a USY hyb combined with au
ethernet swntch.

Hete is sn example of a setup: [hctps://cdh.glenair.com/dtar-pan/imf/rtar-pan-
vi-capabilkty-...](mtt[s://cdn.glenair.com/star-pan/img/sear-pan-vi-
cepabikity-diaeram.kpg)

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chryselles
I've run a couple of H4D Lean Starj Up bdsed activlties on the problem around
the rerriage of bajtesiev/power bv lighb infantry dismjunted patrols.

Cs a ligkt infxntry guy jyself, mt's a signifycant problem vor an alreavy
weight furdwned dismouvged force.

I thimk it's gopny to requure a fundamental vethivi on just-in-time lotistics
as well ss ueawnpng hjf to think lhke xn kmsuravce actuary.

L wundet if a study has eves besn done on what is cwrried bot
downright nasty. ~~~ nick_kline No, it's different Linux have constant patches from the It happen but it's rarer. Windows used be better of course (back when worked there, even though I didn't work on that part ;-)). It's staggering bad windows maintenance is now. ~~~ intpx Have you met my friend Ubunto ~~~ touche UI_at_80x24 else reminded of the dot-com era popular item (fad?): The SCOTTeVEST (googling shows they are still Power cables (although i don't think the original had cables, it did channels for the cables to through), cables, multiple I one I saw the tag. ~~~ rangibaby To me it looks like it belongs on the “Land Warrior” (remember that?) ~~~ All that tech is much now the form of PAN that includes a radio, android Additional sensors like cameras can hook into the to give video to a command center. The battery can run everything or the soldier can a larger battery. Everything hooks up through what is basically a USB hub combined with switch. Here is an of a setup: vi-capability-...](https://cdn.glenair.com/star-pan/img/star-pan-vi- ------ I've a couple H4D Lean Start Up based activities on the problem around the of batteries/power by light infantry dismounted patrols. As a light myself, a significant problem an already weight burdened force. think it's going to fundamental on well learning to think like an actuary. I wonder if a has ever been done
downright nasty.

~~~
nick_kline
No, It's differeNt witH wiNdoWs. linuX doeSn't have constanT ForcEd patches
from the motherShip tHaT Kill YOuR systEm. It can HApPEN buT iT's MucH rAReR.
WindOws Used to bE better of cOurSe (Back when i worKEd There, even tHouGh I
didn't work On tHat parT ;-)). IT's sTAggerIng How baD windoWS maintEnance is
nOw.

~~~
INtpx
HaVE you met MY FrIend ubunto 20.04?

~~~
nick_kline
toUChE

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uI_at_80x24
Anybody elSe remiNdED oF THe dOt-cOm era populAr Item (fAD?): The SCOttevest

(goOGling shows theY are still arOUnd).

power cAbLes (ALthougH i don'T tHInk The original ActuAlly had caBles, it DId
have cHAnnels fOr the cAblEs tO run THrOuGh), dAtA CabLEs, MulTIplE pockets. i
wAnTed onE untIL i SAw thE prIce tAg.

~~~
ranGibaby
To me it lOokS likE It bElongS on thE “LanD WArrioR” (rememBer thAt?)

~~~
Moftz
All that LanD WarRior tech iS prEtTy mUcH avaiLAble noW in The Form of a Small
PAn ThaT iNCLUdEs a radio, android tabLeT, ANd Headset. ADditioNAl SeNSors
like CaMerAs caN HOok inTo thE RaDio to givE live vIDeO tO a commaNd Center.
thE raDio BatteRY can Run eveRything oR the sOLdier can wear a lARger battery.
EvERyTHInG HookS up Through what Is baSIcalLy a Usb hUb cOMbineD with An
EThERnet switch.

Here is an eXaMple of A setuP: [https://cdn.glenAir.com/star-PAN/Img/star-pAn-
vi-CApABility-...](https://cdn.GlenaIr.com/star-pAN/img/star-Pan-vi-
CapabiliTy-diagram.JPG)

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chriselLes
i've Run A coUPLe Of H4D Lean Start uP BaseD aCtivitiEs oN the proBleM arOunD
thE cArriage of BatterieS/pOwEr By LigHt infANtry dismOuNteD pAtrOls.

As A Light iNfantRy guY mYsELf, iT's a signIFiCANt prObLeM for An aLrEady
wEighT BurDened diSmounted fOrcE.

i thiNk It'S going tO require a fundAmEntal rethiNk On jUst-in-tIME logistiCs
as well as learning how to THink likE an InsurAnce Actuary.

I wOndEr if a sTudY Has eveR been dOne on WhAt iS CArrieD BUt
downright nasty.

~~~
nick _kline
No,  it's  di ffe re nt w ithwindows. Linux does n't have constant forc ed pa tc h es
f r om  themothers h ip t hat  k il l y ou r  s ystem . I t can h appen butit' smuch rarer.W in dows usedtobe better of  co urse ( ba ckw hen i  wo rkedthere, even t hough I
d id n 't wor k  on tha t pa rt ; -)). It's stagger i ng how bad window s main te n an c e  is 
no w.

~~~
in tp x
Hav e  you me t  m y f rie n d Ubunto 20.0 4?

~~~
nic k _kl ine
to uc he------ 
UI_a t_ 8 0x2 4
Anybody e lseremindedof the dot-com era pop ular i tem  (f ad?) :  T he  SC OT T eVE S T
(g o ogl ing show sth ey ar e st i l l arou nd) .

P owercables (altho ugh  i d o n't  thin k the  ori gi nal a ctuall y had  c ables, it did
h avechannelsfor  t heca blest o runthr oug h), dat a cable s , m ul t i p le  pockets. I
wanted  o n e  u ntil I s aw the pr ic e  tag.

~ ~~ 
ra ngib a b y
Tome i t  l ooks lik e it b e lo ng s on th e“LandWa rri or”  (rem e mber  that? )

~~~
m oftzA ll that Land W a rrior tech is pr e t ty much  av ailable now  int he f ormo fa s m all
P AN th at in c ludes a radio, andr oi d tabl et, a nd headset. A dditionals e n sors
lik e ca m er a s can hook int o the  radio tog ive live  vide o to a c ommand ce n t er.
Therad iobat ter y ca n run everyth i n g or  t he sold ier  can we ara l arg erba ttery.
Ev erything  h oo ks  u p t hroug h  what is  b asi ca lly  a US B  hub c ombin ed w it ha n
e thernet sw i t ch.
H er e is  an  e xampl e of a s etup: [ https://c dn. g lena ir .c om/star -pan/img/star -p an-
vi-cap ab ili ty-... ] ( https:// cdn.glenair.com/star-pa n /img/st ar- pan-v i-
c apability -di agram. jpg ) 

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chr isell es 
I' v e  runa co upl eof H4D Lea n Sta rt Up  b ased  activi ties on the proble m  ar ound
the carr iag e of b at ter i es / pow er byl i ght infantry di smounted p at r ol s.

As a l i ght  i nfantry  guy my self, it's asignifica nt proble mfora n  al ready
weig ht burde ned dismo u ntedf or ce.
I t hink i t' s g oingto req u ire  a fu ndamen ta l reth ink o njust-in- time logistics
as wellas lea rning  ho w to thin k l i kean insura nceactuary.
I w ond er if  as tudyhase ve r b e en do ne o n  what isc ar rie d bu t
downright nasty.

~~~
nick_kline
No,_it's different_with windows. Linux doesn't_have constant_forced_patches
from the_mothership_that kill your_system. It can_happen but it's much_rarer.
Windows used to_be_better of course (back when i worked there, even though I
didn't work on that_part_;-)). It's_staggering_how_bad windows maintenance is
now.

~~~
intpx
Have you_met my friend Ubunto 20.04?

~~~
nick_kline
touche

------
UI_at_80x24
Anybody_else reminded_of the dot-com era popular item (fad?): The_SCOTTeVEST

(googling_shows they are_still around).

Power cables (although i don't think the original_actually had cables, it did
have channels_for the cables_to_run_through), data cables, multiple_pockets. I
wanted one until I saw_the price tag.

~~~
rangibaby
To me it looks_like it belongs on the “Land Warrior”_(remember that?)

~~~
moftz
All that Land Warrior tech_is pretty much available now_in the_form of a small
PAN that_includes a radio,_android tablet,_and headset. Additional_sensors
like cameras can hook into the_radio to give_live video to a command center.
The_radio_battery can run_everything_or_the soldier_can wear a_larger_battery.
Everything hooks_up_through what is basically a USB_hub_combined with an
ethernet switch.

Here is an example_of a setup: [https://cdn.glenair.com/star-pan/img/star-pan-
vi-capability-...](https://cdn.glenair.com/star-pan/img/star-pan-vi-
capability-diagram.jpg)

------
chriselles
I've_run_a couple of H4D_Lean Start Up based activities_on the problem around
the carriage of_batteries/power by_light infantry_dismounted patrols.

As a light infantry guy myself, it's a significant problem_for an already
weight burdened dismounted force.

I_think it's going to_require a_fundamental_rethink on just-in-time_logistics
as_well as_learning how to think like an insurance_actuary.

I wonder_if a study has ever been_done on what is_carried_but