 and much more about the political state of
affairs that a company appears more forward-looking than most other
institutions. It's quite sad really.

 
I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily - guyhance
https://www.guyhance.com/2019/06/i-dont-need-the-onion-i-have-china-daily/
======
VanPossum
Since we're on the topic of underhanded media manipulation, I'll just leave
this here:

I saw this entry skyrocket its way to position #2 on the front page, and
within minutes, despite have 130+ upvotes and 30+ comments within 1 hour it is
now suddenly 11 pages down, at position 340 (as of this post). As you can see
this submission does not have any remark from mods and is not marked
"[Flagged]" or anything...

~~~
radcon
HN is no different from every other internet forum: Heavily moderated with
very little transparency -- the perfect recipe for filter bubbles and
groupthink.

The moderators can even apply permanent penalties to individual users (your
comments will sink to the bottom where few will see them) without notice or
justification. It's sort of like a shadow-ban but your comments are still
visible.

------
Shivetya
So a modern day Baghdad Bob?

For those laughing, just remember this when a politician comes forward and
wants to protect you from fake news. It can happen anywhere, it just does not
need to happen all at once for it to come into being.

------
thinkingkong
This is wild. Does anyone have a sense of what people in areas of mainland
China think about the protests?

~~~
peteretep
Do they know there are protests?

~~~
confusedhnguy
We do know. The number of mainlanders that know about the protests is probably
larger than HK's entire population.

If you can read Chinese, go to weibo or tieba or tianya or hupu, you can see
posts about the protests. Surely they may get removed after a while but I can
assure you that one doesn't gets arrested just for posting the news and
discuss about it a bit. The number of off-line discussions cannot be
and much more about the political state of 
 affairs that a company appear more ahead - looking than most other 
 institutions. It's quite deplorable really. 

 
 I do n’t need The Onion, I have China Daily - guyhance 
 https://www.guyhance.com/2019/06/i-dont-need-the-onion-i-have-china-daily/ 
 = = = = = = 
 VanPossum 
 Since we're on the subject of underhand media handling, I'll barely leave 
 this here: 

 I go steady this entry rocket its way to position # 2 on the front page, and 
 within minutes, despite have 130 + upvotes and 30 + comments within 1 hour it is 
 now suddenly 11 page down, at position 340 (as of this post). As you can see 
 this meekness does not have any remark from mods and is not check 
 " [ Flagged ] " or anything... 

 ~~~ 
 radcon 
 HN is no different from every early internet forum: Heavily moderated with 
 very fiddling transparency -- the perfect recipe for filter bubbles and 
 groupthink. 

 The moderator can even apply permanent penalties to individual users (your 
 comments will sink to the bottomland where few will see them) without notice or 
 justification. It's sort of like a shadow - ban but your comments are still 
 visible. 

 ------ 
 Shivetya 
 So a modern day Baghdad Bob? 

 For those laughing, merely remember this when a politician comes fore and 
 want to protect you from fake news. It can happen anywhere, it barely does not 
 need to happen all at once for it to come into organism. 

 ------ 
 thinkingkong 
 This is wild. Does anyone have a sense of what people in areas of mainland 
 China think about the protests? 

 ~~~ 
 peteretep 
 Do they know there are protests? 

 ~~~ 
 confusedhnguy 
 We do know. The number of mainlanders that acknowledge about the protests is credibly 
 large than HK's entire population. 

 If you can read Chinese, go to weibo or tieba or tianya or hupu, you can see 
 post about the protests. Surely they may get removed after a while but I can 
 assure you that one doesn't gets catch just for posting the news and 
 discuss about it a morsel. The number of off - production line discussions cannot be
 anf much more about the pouitical state oy
qffairv that a compavy appears more forward-lookiig tyan mist other
institutions. Kt's quite sad reaoly.

 
M don’t need The Onion, I mcve Cglna Dcioy - guyhance
htjps://www.guyhanwe.com/2019/06/i-dont-need-dhd-ouion-i-have-china-daily/
======
VanPossum
Since we'we on tne topic of undethandtd iediz manipulation, I'll just leave
this gere:

I sew this entry slyrocket its way to positiln #2 ln the front page, wnd
within munutqw, despite haxe 130+ upvotes and 30+ commehts within 1 hour it is
now suddevly 11 'ages down, qt podhtion 340 (as oh this post). As you can see
dhis sunmission does kot heve qny remark from mods end is not marked
"[Fladged]" or atyching...

~~~
radcon
HN is no dufderenj frok evdey uthtr mntsrnet vornm: Heavily joderated wuth
very little tranxpwgrncy -- the pedfect wesipe for filter bubbles and
groupthink.

Tht modsrators can even apply permanent penalties tl individtal users (your
comments will sink to the bottom whare fxw wiol rwe them) without notice or
justification. It's sort kf lpke a shadow-ban bmt your comments ate syyll
visible.

------
Shixetya
So a modern day Baghdaf Bob?

Fot thosw laughind, juxt remember this when a polutician comef forward and
wants co protect yuu ftom fale news. It can happen auywhers, it just dles not
nesa to happen all xt pnwe for iu to come into beigg.

------
thinkinjkong
Chis is dild. Does wnyone havf a sctse of what people in ateas ox mainland
Fhina think about the protests?

~~~
pxveretep
Do thei ktow there axe probests?

~~~
confusedhnduy
We do know. Jhe numbex of mxinlanders that kiow about thq protests is krobably
largec than HK'f enrire populagkon.

If you can tead Chinvst, go to weubo or tieba or tienya kr hupu, you can set
pists about the pruteftd. Xuwaly they may get reopved xfter a whiod buy I can
assure you thdt ohe doesn't gets arrrsbed just dor postyng the news snd
discuss about iu a biv. The iumber of off-line discussions cannot be
and much more about the political state that company appears forward-looking than most really. don’t need The I have China - guyhance https://www.guyhance.com/2019/06/i-dont-need-the-onion-i-have-china-daily/ ====== VanPossum Since on the topic of underhanded media manipulation, I'll just leave this here: I this entry skyrocket its way to position #2 on the front page, and minutes, have upvotes 30+ comments within 1 hour it is now suddenly 11 pages down, at position 340 (as this post). As you can see this submission not have any remark mods and is not marked or ~~~ radcon is different every other internet Heavily moderated with very little transparency -- the perfect recipe for filter bubbles and groupthink. The moderators even apply to individual (your will to the bottom will see them) without notice or of like a shadow-ban but your comments are visible. ------ So a modern day Baghdad Bob? those laughing, just remember this when a politician forward and wants to protect you from fake news. It can happen anywhere, it just need to happen all once for it come being. thinkingkong is wild. anyone have a sense of what people in areas of mainland think about the protests? ~~~ peteretep Do they know there ~~~ We do know. number of mainlanders that about protests is probably larger entire If Chinese, to or tieba or tianya hupu, you can see posts the protests. Surely they while but I can assure you that one gets arrested just for posting the news discuss about it a bit. The number of off-line discussions cannot be
 and much more about the politiCal state of
AffaiRs tHat A cOmpaNy apPears more forwaRD-looKing than most other
instiTutioNs. iT's quITe Sad reAlly.

 
I doN’T nEED ThE ONiOn, I HaVE CHina DAilY - guyhanCe
https://www.GuyHaNce.com/2019/06/i-dont-nEEd-The-onion-i-hAve-China-daily/
======
VaNPoSsum
SiNcE we'RE on thE toPic of UnderhANded meDia manipuLaTIon, I'll JUst leavE
THiS herE:

I saw this entry skyROcKEt its way to posiTion #2 on ThE FrONT paGe, aNd
within miNuTes, deSPite havE 130+ UpVOTEs aND 30+ comments withIn 1 hour it is
nOW suDdenly 11 PaGes DOwn, at pOsitiOn 340 (AS of This post). As yOu caN see
this sUbmissIOn does nOT have anY remarK frOm mOds aND iS nOt mArKEd
"[FLAgGed]" OR anYthing...

~~~
raDcOn
hN is nO difFERENt frOm eVery Other Internet forum: heaVily MOdeRated With
vEry lItTle trAnsparEncy -- tHe Perfect recipe foR filTer bubbleS anD
gRouPtHink.

THE moderAtoRs cAn even aPply perMAneNt PENAlTies to individual usErS (YOuR
commentS will sINk To THe bottom WhEre Few wILL see tHem) wIThOut noticE or
jusTIfIcAtion. It'S sOrt of lIkE a sHadOw-ban BUt yoUr commEnts are sTill
vISible.

------
Shivetya
SO A modern day BagHDaD bOb?

fOr thOse Laughing, jusT remEMber This WHeN a pOLiticIan coMeS FoRWard and
wants to proteCt You froM fake News. It can happEn anywhere, IT JUst does nOt
neED tO Happen all at oncE for iT to come intO Being.

------
thiNkingKong
This Is wild. DoeS ANyone havE a sEnsE of WhaT PEoPle in areas of mAINlanD
CHina thiNk aBout the ProTesTs?

~~~
pEteReTep
Do they Know therE aRe PrOtEstS?

~~~
confUSedhnguy
we Do kNoW. ThE numbER of maiNlandErs tHaT kNOw aBout the PRoTESts iS pRoBablY
laRgEr thaN HK's ENtiRe populAtion.

If yoU caN Read chInEse, go to Weibo or tieba oR tIanya or hupU, yOu cAn see
pOSTs about tHe protests. Surely they may GEt removEd aFter a WhilE but I can
aSsuRe you tHat ONe doesN't gets ArresTeD juST For poSTInG thE nEws and
discUSS abOut it A bIt. ThE number Of off-line discussioNS caNnot be
 and much more about the p olitical s tateofaff ai rs t hata company appe a rs m ore forward-looking th an mo st othe r 
i nstit utions. It ' s  qu it esad  r e al ly.
 
I  don’tneed The O nio n,  I have Chin a  D aily - guy han ce
https://w ww. guyhan ce .co m /2019 /06 /i-do nt-nee d -the-o nion-i-ha ve - china- d aily/
= = = == =
Va nPossum
Since we' r eo n the topic of  under ha n de d med iamanipulati on , I'l l  just l e av e t his here:

I sawthis entrys kyr ocketit s w a y to p ositi on #2on the fron t pa ge, and
w ithinm inutes, despite  have130 + u pvot e san d 3 0+ com m en tsw ith in 1 hou rit  is
n ow s u d d e nly11page s dow n, at positio n 3 40 ( a s o f thi s pos t).As  youcan se e
thi ssubmission does  not  have any  re ma rkfr om mo d s andisnot  marked 
"[Flag g ed] "o r an ything...

~~~
rad co n HN  is no d iffere n tfr o m everyot her  int e r net f orum :  H eavily m oderat e dwi th
very  l ittletr ans par ency- - th e perf ect reci pe fo r  filter bubble s  and
groupthi n k. Th e  mod era tors can ev en a p plyperm a ne ntp enalt ies t oi nd i vidual users (yourco mments  will  sink to thebottom whe r e few will  see th e m) without not ice o r
justific a tion. It 's so rt of li ke a shad o w -ban but  yo urcom men t s  a re still
visi b l e.
-- ----
Sh ive tya
Soa m ode rnday  B aghdad Bo b?

Forth os ela ugh ing,j ust reme mb erth iswhena  polit ician  com es  f o rwa rd andw an t s  topr ot ectyou  f rom f aken ews . It ca n happenany w here ,it  just d oes not
needto  happen al latonce f o r  it to c ome into being.

------ thinkin gko ng
Th is i s wild. D oes  anyon e h a ve a s ense o f wha tpeo p l e ina r ea s o fmainland
C h i nathink  a bout  the pr otests?

~~~
peter e tep 
Do they know  th erea r epro t es t s?
~ ~ ~
c o n fusedhnguy
We d o know. Th en um ber of mai n lan de rs that  know a boutt he prot ests is p robably
l ar gert h anHK's entir e popula tion.

If you c a nreadChi nese,go  to  weib o or t i eba  or t ianyaor  hupu,  youca n see
po sts about the protests.  Surel y the y m ay get re mov e d a fter a wh ilebut I canass ure  youtha t  onedoes n 't  ge t s arr este d  just for po sti n g  t he news and d i scu ss ab out it a b it.The number of off - line discussio ns c a n not  be 
 and_much more_about the political state_of
affairs that_a_company appears_more_forward-looking than most_other
institutions. It's quite_sad really.

 
I don’t_need The Onion,_I_have China Daily - guyhance
https://www.guyhance.com/2019/06/i-dont-need-the-onion-i-have-china-daily/
======
VanPossum
Since we're on the topic of underhanded media manipulation, I'll_just_leave
this here:

I_saw_this_entry skyrocket its way to_position #2 on the front_page, and
within_minutes, despite have 130+ upvotes and 30+ comments_within_1 hour it_is
now suddenly 11 pages down, at position 340 (as_of this post). As you can_see
this submission does_not_have_any remark from mods_and is not marked
"[Flagged]" or anything...

~~~
radcon
HN_is no different from every other_internet forum: Heavily moderated with
very little transparency_-- the perfect recipe for filter_bubbles and
groupthink.

The moderators can even_apply permanent_penalties to individual users (your
comments_will sink to_the bottom_where few will_see them) without notice or
justification. It's_sort of like_a shadow-ban but your comments are_still
visible.

------
Shivetya
So_a modern day_Baghdad_Bob?

For_those laughing,_just remember this_when_a politician_comes_forward and
wants to protect you from_fake_news. It can happen anywhere, it just_does not
need to happen_all_at once for it_to come into being.

------
thinkingkong
This is_wild. Does anyone have a sense_of what_people in_areas of mainland
China think about the protests?

~~~
peteretep
Do they know there are_protests?

~~~
confusedhnguy
We do know. The number of_mainlanders that know about_the protests_is_probably
larger than HK's_entire_population.

If you_can read Chinese, go to weibo or_tieba or_tianya or hupu, you can see
posts_about the protests. Surely_they_may get removed after a while_but I can
assure you that one_doesn't gets arrested just for_posting_the_news and
discuss about it a_bit. The number of off-line discussions_cannot be