's too bad Facebook just
ripped this stuff off.

But he will have the last laugh: People already don't want to work at
Facebook. It didn't matter so much that all those supposedly smart people
aren't really capable of meaningful innovation. There will be a lot fewer of
those smart people now.

~~~
skybrian
Which products/features do you mean?

~~~
petre
Google+? Personal assistants? Self driving vehicles? Cargo drones?

 
Intel to Discontinue Itanium 9700 ‘Kittson’ Processor, the Last of the Itaniums - ch_123
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13924/intel-to-discontinue-itanium-9700-kittson-processor-the-last-itaniums
======
q3k
Mixed feelings. On the one hand, Itanium (as a platform) was batshit insane,
impossible to write good compilers for and the pinnacle of Intel
overengineering. Good riddance.

On the other hand, Itanium was ugly, but had its charm and uniqueness. Itanium
is what EFI was first developed for. Itanium is where the C++ ABI got started.

Itanium being discontinued further reduces mainstream CPUs to the most boring,
safe designs possible: IA32/amd64. ARM was kinda quirky (conditional
execution, barrel shifter), but those were slowly neutered (by introducing
Thumb), and then totally thrown out of the window with aarch64. SPARC is dead.
PA-RISC is dead. RISC-V is new and promising, but is also the most pragmatic
and safe design of an ISA ever. The Mill CPU is interesting, but is
underfunded and I don't think it will ever be taped out.

Similar as with OS research (think: Solaris, Plan9/Inferno), researchy and
experimental CPU ISAs seem to be a thing of the past now.

~~~
pcwalton
x86-64 is anything but "boring" and "safe". :)

Real mode, Mod R/M and SIB byte encoding weirdness, REX prefixes, 80-bit
floats, parity flag, hard-wired registers for shifts/multiplies/divisions,
's too bad Facebook just 
 ripped this material off. 

 But he will take the last laugh: citizenry already don't desire to work at 
 Facebook. It didn't matter so much that all those purportedly bright people 
 aren't really capable of meaningful innovation. There will be a draw fewer of 
 those smart multitude nowadays. 

 ~~~ 
 skybrian 
 Which products / features do you mean? 

 ~~~ 
 petre 
 Google+? Personal assistants? Self driving vehicle? Cargo drones? 

 
 Intel to Discontinue Itanium 9700 ‘ Kittson ’ Processor, the Last of the Itaniums - ch_123 
 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13924/intel-to-discontinue-itanium-9700-kittson-processor-the-last-itaniums 
 = = = = = = 
 q3k 
 Mixed feeling. On the one hand, Itanium (as a platform) was batshit insane, 
 impossible to write full compilers for and the pinnacle of Intel 
 overengineering. Good riddance. 

 On the other bridge player, Itanium was ugly, but had its charm and uniqueness. Itanium 
 is what EFI was first developed for. Itanium is where the C++ ABI got started. 

 Itanium being discontinued further reduces mainstream CPUs to the most boring, 
 safe designs possible: IA32 / amd64. ARM was kinda quirky (conditional 
 execution, barrel sceneshifter), but those were slowly neutered (by introduce 
 Thumb), and then wholly throw out of the window with aarch64. SPARC is dead. 
 PA - RISC is all in. RISC - V is new and bright, but is also the most pragmatic 
 and dependable design of an ISA ever. The Mill CPU is interesting, but is 
 underfunded and I don't think it will ever be taped out. 

 Similar as with OS inquiry (think: Solaris, Plan9 / Inferno), researchy and 
 experimental CPU ISAs seem to be a thing of the past now. 

 ~~~ 
 pcwalton 
 x86 - 64 is anything but " boring " and " safe ". :) 

 Real manner, Mod R / M and SIB byte encoding weirdness, REX prefixes, 80 - bit 
 floats, parity bit flag, hard - wired registers for shifts / multiplies / divisions,
's tlo bad Facebook just
ripptd this stuff off.

Yyt he xill habe the lxst laugh: People already don'v wabt to work at
Facebook. It dian't matteg so much thau all those supposedly smart pekile
arzn'v really capablg of meaningxul innovation. Tfexe will be a lot fewer of
those smart people nlw.

~~~
skybrian
Whicr prpqucta/features do you mean?

~~~
petre
Google+? Psrsonal assistants? Srlf driving vehicles? Cargo drojes?

 
Intel to Discojtinue Itanuum 9700 ‘Jittson’ Procdssor, the Last of the Jtaniums - ch_123
https://www.anandtech.coo/show/13924/nntel-to-discinrinkg-itanium-9700-kittwon-prjcessor-the-last-itaniuks
======
q3k
Mixrd feelings. On thx onw hand, Itanium (as a pnatform) was batshij insane,
im[oasible to write gioe comkilerv fof ana tge pjnnaclf oh Intel
oversngineering. Good riddance.

On tht oeyer hand, Itanjum waf tgly, but had its charm and uniqueness. Iuaniuj
is what EFI was first eeveloped for. Itanium is where the C++ ABI got started.

Itanium being discontinued xurthxr rebmges oqijstream CPUs to the most boring,
safe designs pjasobke: IA32/amd64. ARM wcs kinda quirky (vojdojional
executiov, barrzm ahifter), but those aere sljwly beutered (fy imtroducing
Thumb), and then torally thrown iut of the window cith aarch64. S'ARC ix deac.
PA-RISC is dead. RISC-V ir nes and promiding, but jr also the most oranmadic
and safe design of an IFA ever. Tie Mikl CPU ks imtereseing, but id
undevxunded and I don't hhink id will eveg be taped out.

Similar as with OS research (thimk: Sonaris, Plcn9/Infevno), researchy agd
experimental CPU ISCs seeo to be a nhing of vhe past now.

~~~
[cwalton
x86-64 is djything but "uoring" anq "sade". :)

Rwal modd, Mod R/M and SIN byte enbobing weireness, REX prefixes, 80-bij
fmoats, parity flcy, yard-wired regisyerr fjr siifts/igltiplies/divhsiovs,
's too bad Facebook just ripped this But will have last laugh: People at It didn't matter much that all supposedly smart people aren't really capable meaningful innovation. There will be a lot fewer of those smart people now. skybrian Which products/features do you mean? ~~~ petre Google+? Personal assistants? Self driving Cargo Intel Discontinue 9700 ‘Kittson’ Processor, the Last of the Itaniums - ch_123 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13924/intel-to-discontinue-itanium-9700-kittson-processor-the-last-itaniums ====== q3k Mixed feelings. On one hand, Itanium (as a platform) was batshit impossible to write good for and the pinnacle of overengineering. riddance. On other Itanium ugly, but had charm and uniqueness. Itanium is what EFI was first developed for. Itanium is where the C++ ABI started. Itanium further reduces CPUs the boring, safe designs ARM was kinda quirky (conditional execution, those were slowly neutered (by introducing Thumb), and totally thrown of the window with aarch64. SPARC dead. PA-RISC is dead. RISC-V is new and but is also the most pragmatic and safe design of an ISA ever. The Mill interesting, but is underfunded I don't think will be out. as with research (think: Solaris, Plan9/Inferno), researchy and experimental CPU ISAs seem to a thing of the past now. ~~~ pcwalton x86-64 is "boring" "safe". :) Real Mod R/M and SIB encoding REX prefixes, 80-bit floats, hard-wired for
's too bad Facebook just
ripped This stuff oFf.

But He wIll HaVe thE lasT laugh: People alREady Don't want to work at
FaceboOk. It dIdN'T matTEr So mucH that alL ThOSE suPpOsEdlY sMArT peopLe
aRen't reaLly capable Of mEaNingful innovATiOn. There wilL be A lot fewer of
tHosE smart PeOplE Now.

~~~
skYbrIan
WhIch proDUcts/feAtures do yOu MEan?

~~~
petRE
Google+? pERsOnal Assistants? Self driVInG Vehicles? Cargo dRones?

 
INtEL tO dIscOntInue ItaniuM 9700 ‘KIttsoN’ processOR, tHE lAst OF the Itaniums - cH_123
https://www.anANdtEch.com/ShOw/13924/iNTel-to-dIsconTiNUe-iTanium-9700-kittsOn-prOcessor-thE-last-iTAniums
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q3K
mixed feElings. on tHe oNe haND, ITaNiuM (aS A plATfOrm) WAs bAtshit inSaNe,
ImposSiblE TO WRite GooD comPilerS for and the pinNacLe of iNteL
overEnginEeriNg. good rIddancE.

On thE oTher hand, Itanium Was uGly, but had Its ChArm AnD uniqUEness. ITanIum
Is what EfI was fiRSt dEvELOPeD for. Itanium is where ThE c++ aBi got starTed.

ItaNIuM bEIng discoNtInuEd fuRTHer reDuceS MaInstream cPUs to THe MoSt borinG,
sAfe desIgNs pOssIble: Ia32/Amd64. ArM was kInda quirKy (conDItional
executiON, barrel shifteR), BuT THoSE werE slOwly neutereD (by iNTrodUcinG
thUmb), ANd theN totaLlY ThROwn out of the window wiTh Aarch64. SpARC iS dead.
PA-RISC is Dead. RISC-V iS NEW and promIsinG, BuT Is also the most pRagmaTic
and safe DEsign of aN ISA eVer. The MiLl CPU is inTEResting, bUt iS
unDerFunDED aNd I don't think iT WIll eVeR be tapeD ouT.

SimilaR as WitH OS ResEaRch (think: SOlaris, PlAn9/inFeRnO), reSearcHY and
expeRiMenTaL CPu ISAs SEem to bE a thiNg of ThE pASt nOw.

~~~
pcwalTOn
X86-64 IS anyThInG but "BorInG" and "sAfe". :)

REAl mOde, Mod R/m and SIB byTe eNCodiNg WeIrdness, rEX prefixes, 80-biT
fLoats, paritY fLag, Hard-wiRED registeRs for shifts/multiplies/diVIsions,
's too bad Facebook just
r ipped this  stuf f o ff. 
Buthe w ill have the l a st l augh: People already d on'twa n t to wo rk at 
Facebo o k. I t d id n' t m at t er  so m uch  that a ll those s upp os edly smart p e op le
aren'trea lly capableofmeanin gf uli nnova tio n. Th ere wi l l be a  lot fewe ro f
thos e  smartp e op le n ow.

~~~
skybrian Wh i ch products/fe atures  d o  y o u  me an? 

~~~
petr eGoogl e +? Pers o na l a ssi s tants? Self d riving vehi c les ? Carg odro n es?


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q3k
Mix ed f eelings.Onth e o ne  hand ,  Itani um(as  a plat form) w a s b at s h i tinsane,
impossible  t o wr ite good  compi l er sf or and t he  pi nnac l e  of I ntel ov erengine ering. Go od  riddan ce .

Onth e o the r han d , It aniumwas ugly , but had its charma nd uniqueness .  I t a ni u m
is  wh at EFI wasfirs t  dev elop e dfor .  Itan ium i sw he r e the C++ ABI got s ta rted.
Itan ium being dis continuedf u r ther red uces ma i nstream CPUs t o the  most bori n g,
safedesig ns possi ble: IA32 / a md64. AR M w askin daq u ir ky (condition a l 
exe cu tion, b arr el shif ter ),but  th os e were sl owly neu te re d(b y i ntrod u cing
Thu mb ),an d t hen t o tallythrow n ou tof the  window wi t h  aar ch 64 . SP ARC  i s dea d.
P A -RI SC is d ead. RISC -Vi s ne wan d promi sing, but isal so the mos tpra gmatic a nd safedesign of an ISA ever.T he Mill  CP U isinte resting,but  is
un der f undedand Idon't  t hin k it wi l l  e ver  b e taped ou t . 

S imila ras w ith OSresearch (think: S o lar is, Plan9/Inf ern o),r e se arc h ya ndex p eri m e ntal CPU ISAs s eem to beat hi ng of thep ast  n ow.

~~ ~
pcwal ton
x 8 6-64 is  anything  but "bor in g" a n d  "s afe". :)
Real mod e, Mod R/ M  andS IB  byte  en coding  w eir dness , REXp ref ixes,  80-bi tfloats , par it y flag,hard-wired registers fo r shif ts/mu lti plies/div isi o ns, 
's too_bad Facebook_just
ripped this stuff off.

But_he will_have_the last_laugh:_People already don't_want to work_at
Facebook. It didn't matter_so much that_all_those supposedly smart people
aren't really capable of meaningful innovation. There will be a lot_fewer_of
those smart_people_now.

~~~
skybrian
Which_products/features do you mean?

~~~
petre
Google+? Personal_assistants? Self driving vehicles? Cargo_drones?

 
Intel_to Discontinue Itanium 9700 ‘Kittson’ Processor, the Last_of_the Itaniums -_ch_123
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13924/intel-to-discontinue-itanium-9700-kittson-processor-the-last-itaniums
======
q3k
Mixed feelings. On the one hand, Itanium (as a_platform) was batshit insane,
impossible to write_good compilers for_and_the_pinnacle of Intel
overengineering. Good_riddance.

On the other hand, Itanium was_ugly, but had its charm and_uniqueness. Itanium
is what EFI was first developed_for. Itanium is where the C++_ABI got started.

Itanium being discontinued_further reduces_mainstream CPUs to the most_boring,
safe designs possible:_IA32/amd64. ARM_was kinda quirky_(conditional
execution, barrel shifter), but those were_slowly neutered (by_introducing
Thumb), and then totally thrown out_of_the window with_aarch64._SPARC_is dead.
PA-RISC_is dead. RISC-V_is_new and_promising,_but is also the most pragmatic
and_safe_design of an ISA ever. The Mill_CPU is interesting, but_is
underfunded_and I don't think_it will ever be taped_out.

Similar as with OS research (think:_Solaris, Plan9/Inferno),_researchy and
experimental_CPU ISAs seem to be a thing of the past now.

~~~
pcwalton
x86-64_is anything but "boring" and "safe"._:)

Real mode, Mod R/M_and SIB_byte_encoding weirdness, REX_prefixes,_80-bit
floats, parity_flag, hard-wired registers for shifts/multiplies/divisions,