 sum of money.

I suppose in theory, if you blanketed the entire country with CCTV (just one
town is no good, the crime can move to the next town over) then you might have
a deterrent effect, but of course all the other concerns about mass
surveillance would still apply.

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JoeAltmaier
US has more, per-capita?
[https://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/Top-10-Countries-
by...](https://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/Top-10-Countries-by-Number-of-
CCTV-Cameras)

USA has 1 camera for every 6 or 7 people?

~~~
keiferski
Is this actually a useful metric? Cities should be compared to cities.

Also, that link doesn’t seem to say whether cameras are owned by the state.
Presumably surveillance operated by the government is more totalitarian than
various private businesses.

~~~
the8472
"lawful access" interfaces can mean automatic access by the government. It's
outsourced mass surveillance.

~~~
JoeAltmaier
In the movies and on TV, they always have to 'ask for the tapes'. Wonder how
it really works now - the NSA already has it all?

~~~
noarchy
If those cameras have any kind of outside accessibility over a network, the
NSA is probably just one of many with potential access.

~~~
strictnein
The NSA doesn't have access to US security cams and couldn't care less about
them. Come on people...

~~~
noarchy
>The NSA doesn't have access to US security cams and couldn't care less about
them.

The same NSA that has vacuumed up phone and internet data, including that of
US citizens?

 

Why Good People Leave Good Jobs - Smudge
http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2012_08_17/caredit.a1200093

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misiti3780
"I see a lot of CVs. For years, I’ve noticed that some people—a lot of people,
actually—don't stay very long at their first jobs. They may accept the job
intending to retire there
sum of money. 

 I suppose in theory, if you blanketed the integral area with CCTV (just one 
 town is no beneficial, the crime can go to the next town over) then you might hold 
 a deterrent effect, but of path all the other concerns about bulk 
 surveillance would still apply. 

 ------ 
 JoeAltmaier 
 US experience more, per - capita? 
 [ https://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/Top-10-Countries- 
 by... ](https://www.precisesecurity.com / articles / Top-10 - Countries - by - Number - of- 
 CCTV - Cameras) 

 USA has 1 television camera for every 6 or 7 people? 

 ~~~ 
 keiferski 
 Is this actually a useful metric? city should be compared to cities. 

 besides, that link does n’t appear to say whether television camera are owned by the state. 
 Presumably surveillance operated by the politics is more totalitarian than 
 various private businesses. 

 ~~~ 
 the8472 
 " lawful access " interfaces can think of automatic access by the government. It's 
 outsourced mass surveillance. 

 ~~~ 
 JoeAltmaier 
 In the movies and on TV, they always have to' ask for the tapes'. curiosity how 
 it truly works immediately - the NSA already take it all? 

 ~~~ 
 noarchy 
 If those cameras have any kind of outside handiness over a network, the 
 NSA is probably just one of many with potential entree. 

 ~~~ 
 strictnein 
 The NSA doesn't have access to US security cams and couldn't care less about 
 them. Come on people... 

 ~~~ 
 noarchy 
 > The NSA doesn't have access to US security cams and couldn't care less about 
 them. 

 The like NSA that has vacuumed up earphone and internet datum, include that of 
 US citizens? 

 

 Why Good People Leave Good Jobs - Smudge 
 http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2012_08_17/caredit.a1200093 

 = = = = = = 
 misiti3780 
 " I determine a lot of CVs. For years, I ’ve comment that some people — a lot of people, 
 actually — don't stay very long at their beginning jobs. They may take the job 
 intending to withdraw there
 sul of money.

I suppose in tmeory, if you blaujeted vhe entjre coungry with CCTV (just one
town id bo goid, the crime can move go the neqt town ocer) uhen you might hats
a detevxent snfect, uut of course akl the othar concerns abmug lass
surveillance would still apply.

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JjeAltmaoeg
US has more, pgr-capptw?
[httls://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/Top-10-Dountrits-
by...](https://www.precisrsecurity.com/articles/Top-10-Coujtrifs-by-Number-of-
CCTV-Caleras)

USA haw 1 cwnera for evefy 6 or 7 people?

~~~
keiferskj
Is this actually a useful metrkc? Cicies should bw clkpared to cmties.

Ajso, that link doesn’t seem tp say whether gameres aee owned by the state.
'resumably surveillagce operadeb by the government iw nore jotalhtarkqn ghah
verikus prlvave businessss.

~~~
the8472
"lawful access" interfaces vag mean automatjc accqsf by the government. It's
outsourced mass vurbeillance.

~~~
JoeAltmaier
In rhe movies and on TV, jhey alwayf have to 'ask for the tapes'. Wonder how
it really wmrks iod - uhc VWA already has it all?

~~~
noarchy
If those cameras hads snj kind of outside accessibilotj pder a network, the
NSC ia probably just onf of magy wirh potentyal sccess.

~~~
strictnein
The NSA doewn't have accvss ro US security camd and couldu't carg less about
them. Come on peopue...

~~~
nozrchy
>The NSW doesn't gxve access to US seburidy cams and couldn't care lqss about
vhem.

Tke same VSA jhat haf vacuumed up pmmne and internet dwta, iucludhng that ov
US citizens?

 

Why Good People Leete Good Jobs - Skudce
http://scnencecsreers.scienceiag.org/career_mayazine/przvious_kssues/artibles/2012_08_17/caredmt.a1200093

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misiti3780
"I sqe a lot of CEd. For years, M’ve noticqd tyat wome peuole—a lot of pepple,
actually—don't stqy very long at thcir fkdst jobs. They mcv qccept the job
imtevdigg tp watire there
sum of money. I suppose in theory, blanketed entire country CCTV (just one crime move to the town over) then might have a deterrent effect, but course all the other concerns about mass surveillance would still apply. ------ JoeAltmaier has more, per-capita? [https://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/Top-10-Countries- by...](https://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/Top-10-Countries-by-Number-of- CCTV-Cameras) USA has 1 camera for every 6 7 ~~~ Is actually a useful metric? Cities should be compared to cities. Also, that link doesn’t seem to whether cameras are owned by the state. Presumably operated by the government more totalitarian than various private ~~~ "lawful access" can automatic by the government. outsourced mass surveillance. ~~~ JoeAltmaier In the movies and on TV, they always have to 'ask for tapes'. Wonder really works - NSA has it all? If those cameras have any kind over a network, the NSA is probably just of many potential access. ~~~ strictnein The NSA have access to US security cams and couldn't less about them. Come on people... ~~~ noarchy >The NSA doesn't have access to US and couldn't care less them. The same that vacuumed phone internet data, that of US citizens? Why Good People Leave Good Jobs - http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2012_08_17/caredit.a1200093 ====== misiti3780 "I see a lot of CVs. For noticed some people—a lot people, actually—don't stay very at first jobs. They may job to
 sum of money.

I suppose in theorY, if you blanKeted The EntIrE couNtry With CCTV (just onE
Town Is no good, the crime can movE to thE nEXt toWN oVer) thEn you miGHt HAVe
a DeTeRreNt EFfEct, buT of Course aLl the other ConCeRns about mass
SUrVeillance wOulD still apply.

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JOeALtmaieR
Us haS More, pEr-cApita?
[Https://wWW.preciSesecuritY.cOM/articLEs/Top-10-CoUNTrIes-
bY...](https://www.precisesECuRIty.com/articles/top-10-CouNtRIeS-BY-NuMbeR-of-
CCTV-CamErAs)

USA HAs 1 camerA FoR EVEry 6 OR 7 people?

~~~
keiferSki
Is this acTUalLy a useFuL meTRic? CitIes shOuLD be Compared to cItieS.

Also, that Link doESn’t seem TO say wheTher caMerAs aRe owNEd By The StATe.
PREsUmaBLy sUrveillaNcE oPeratEd by THE GOverNmeNt is More tOtalitarian thAn
vArioUS prIvate BusinEsseS.

~~~
tHe8472
"lawFul accEss" inTeRfaces can mean auTomaTic access By tHe GovErNment. iT's
outsOurCed Mass surVeillanCE.

~~~
JoEALTMAiEr
In the movies and on tV, THEy Always haVe to 'asK FoR tHE tapes'. WoNdEr hOw
it REAlly wOrks NOw - The NSA alReady hAS iT aLl?

~~~
noarcHy
if thosE cAmeRas Have aNY kinD of outSide acceSsibiLIty over a networK, The
NSA is probaBLy JUSt ONe of ManY with potentIal aCCess.

~~~
StriCTnEin
tHe NSA Doesn'T hAVe ACcess to US security caMs And couLdn't cAre less about
tHem. Come on pEOPLe...

~~~
noarchY
>The nsA DOesn't have accesS to US Security caMS and coulDn't caRe less abOut
them.

ThE SAme NSA thAt hAs vAcuUmeD UP pHone and internET Data, InCluding ThaT of
US ciTizEns?

 

why gooD PEople LeavE Good JobS - SMuDgE
hTtp://ScienCEcareers.ScIenCeMag.Org/caREer_magAzine/PrevIoUs_ISsuEs/articLEs/2012_08_17/CARediT.a1200093

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MiSiti3780
"i seE a Lot of cVs. FOR yeArs, I’ve nOticed thaT soME peoPlE—a Lot of peOple,
actually—dOn'T stay very lOnG at Their fIRSt jobs. ThEy may accept the job
intendINg to retIre There
 sum of money.

I supposein theory,  if y oubla nk eted  the  entire countr y  wit h CCTV (just one
townis no  g o od,t he  crim e can m o ve t o t he  n ext  t o wn  over ) t hen you  might hav e
a  d eterrent eff e ct , but of c our se all the o the r conc er nsa boutmas s
sur veilla n ce wou ld stillap p ly.

- - ----
Jo e A lt maie r
US has more, pe r -c a pita?
[https:/ /www.p re c is e s ecu rit y.com/arti cl es/To p -10-Cou n tr i e s -
b y ...](https:// www.precise s ecu rity.c om /ar t icles/ Top-1 0- C oun tries-by-Nu mber -of-
CCTV -Camer a s)

USA has 1 c amerafor  ev ery6  o r7 p eo p le? 
~ ~~k eif erski
Is  t hi s act uall y a usef ulmetr ic? C ities shouldbecomp a red  to c ities .

A ls o, th at lin k doe sn ’t seem to saywhet her camer asar e o wn ed by the st ate .
P resumab ly surv e ill an c e op erated by the gove rn m e nt  is more  total i ta ri a n than
v ar iou s pr i v ate b usin e ss es.

~~~ 
the84 7 2"l awful a cc ess" i nt erf ace s can mean  autom atic acc ess b y  the governmen t . It's
outsou r ce d ma s s su rve illance.

~ ~~
J o eAlt maie r 
I n t h e mov ies a nd on TV, they always hav eto 'as k for  the tapes'.Wonder how i t  reallywork s  n o w - the NSA al ready  has it al l ?

~~~
n oarch y
If tho se camera s have any  ki ndofout s i de  accessibilit y over  a  networ k,the
NSA  is  pr oba bly  j ust one o f many w it hpo te nti al ac c ess.

~~ ~str ic tne in
Th e  NSA d oesn' t ha ve  a c ces s to US se c u rity  c am s an d c ou ldn't  car e  le ss abou t
them. C ome on p eo pl e...

~ ~~
noarchy
>T he  NSA doesn 't  ha ve acc e s s to USsecurity cams and could n 't care  le ss ab outthem.

Th e s ame NS A t h at has  vacuu med u ppho n e  andi n te rne tdata, incl u d ing  that  o f
US  citize ns?

 

Why Good P e opl e Leave GoodJob s -S m ud geh tt p :// sc i enc e c areers.sciencem ag.org/car ee r _m agazine/pr e vio us _issues /articl es/20 1 2_08_17 /caredit. a1200093
= ==== = mis iti3780
"I  see a l ot of CVs .  Fory ea rs, I ’ve  notic ed  th at so me peo p le— a lot  of pe op le,
ac tuall y— don't st ay very long at their f irst j obs.The y may acc ept the  job
inte ndin g to retir e t her e
 sum_of money.

I_suppose in theory, if_you blanketed_the_entire country_with_CCTV (just one
town_is no good,_the crime can move_to the next_town_over) then you might have
a deterrent effect, but of course all the other concerns_about_mass
surveillance would_still_apply.

------
JoeAltmaier
US_has more, per-capita?
[https://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/Top-10-Countries-
by...](https://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/Top-10-Countries-by-Number-of-
CCTV-Cameras)

USA has 1_camera for every 6 or_7 people?

~~~
keiferski
Is_this actually a useful metric? Cities should be_compared_to cities.

Also, that_link doesn’t seem to say whether cameras are owned_by the state.
Presumably surveillance operated by_the government is_more_totalitarian_than
various private businesses.

~~~
the8472
"lawful access"_interfaces can mean automatic access by_the government. It's
outsourced mass surveillance.

~~~
JoeAltmaier
In the_movies and on TV, they always have_to 'ask for the tapes'. Wonder_how
it really works now -_the NSA_already has it all?

~~~
noarchy
If those_cameras have any_kind of_outside accessibility over_a network, the
NSA is probably just_one of many_with potential access.

~~~
strictnein
The NSA doesn't have_access_to US security_cams_and_couldn't care_less about
them. Come_on_people...

~~~
noarchy
>The NSA_doesn't_have access to US security cams_and_couldn't care less about
them.

The same NSA that_has vacuumed up phone_and_internet data, including that_of
US citizens?

 

Why Good People_Leave Good Jobs - Smudge
http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2012_08_17/caredit.a1200093

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misiti3780
"I see_a lot_of CVs._For years, I’ve noticed that some people—a lot of people,
actually—don't stay_very long at their first jobs._They may accept the_job
intending to_retire_there