
~~~
showerst
I think a fair bit of it depends on your needs for moderation, and what you're
comparing to.

When you say you're not seeing a lot of engagement with FB/Livefyre, were
those sites seeing engagement before with a worse commenting system?

We switched ForeignPolicy.com over to livefyre from the Drupal built-in system
and saw a big increase in participation, both in average comments per article
and the number of multi-message 'conversations' that people were having in the
comments section. That said, we already have an engaged audience, and a big
chunk of the benefit may have been new moderation tools that let us reduce
spam/trolls.

I don't think that any system will create engagement out of thin air, except
in the rare case of a site with a rabid fan base and no commenting/forum
system, but i'd argue that systems like disqus and livefyre make people more
likely to jump in because they don't need to create an account with you.

~~~
memmullen
As someone who reads ForeignPolicy.com every day, I wish you guys would use
Disqus. Curious as to why you decided to go with LF over Disqus.

~~~
showerst
I'm curious about what you dislike about LF. I could also explain our choices
a bit, but I'd rather offline that.

tim.showers@foreignpolicy.com

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shell0x
I think it's a bad practice to outsource data like comments in general. I
prefer keeping controll over the comments. This way the commenters don't get
monitored/analyzed by Facebook or another US company, which is important,
especially as a European. Maybe Facebook don't like what the commenter wrote
on your site and just censor the comment and you won't even realize it.
Comments should stay on decentral places, which is important to avoid attacks
against the freedom of speech.

~~~
Karunamon
>Maybe Facebook don't like what the commenter wrote on your site and just
censor the comment and you won't even realize it.

Does this ever happen in any appreciable amount? The TOS for what FB will kill
a comment for is pretty reasonable.

As to decentral places, _me
~~~ 
 showerst 
 I think a fair bit of it depends on your motivation for easing, and what you're 
 comparing to. 

 When you say you're not seeing a set of engagement with FB / Livefyre, were 
 those sites experience engagement before with a worse commenting arrangement? 

 We switched ForeignPolicy.com over to livefyre from the Drupal built - in organization 
 and saw a big addition in participation, both in average comments per article 
 and the number of multi - message' conversations' that people were having in the 
 remark section. That said, we already have an busy audience, and a big 
 chunk of the benefit may have been new easing tools that let us reduce 
 spam / trolls. 

 I don't think that any arrangement will create engagement out of thin air, except 
 in the rare case of a site with a rabid fan base and no commenting / forum 
 system, but i'd argue that systems like disqus and livefyre make people more 
 likely to jump in because they don't need to make an account with you. 

 ~~~ 
 memmullen 
 As someone who reads ForeignPolicy.com every sidereal day, I wish you guy would practice 
 Disqus. Curious as to why you decided to go with LF over Disqus. 

 ~~~ 
 showerst 
 I'm curious about what you dislike about LF. I could also explain our choices 
 a bit, but I'd rather offline that. 

 tim.showers@foreignpolicy.com 

 ------ 
 shell0x 
 I think it's a regretful practice to outsource data like comments in general. I 
 prefer keeping controll over the comments. This way the commenters don't get 
 monitored / analyzed by Facebook or another US company, which is important, 
 particularly as a European. Maybe Facebook don't wish what the commenter write 
 on your site and just censor the remark and you won't even realize it. 
 Comments should stay on decentral seat, which is important to avoid attacks 
 against the freedom of actor's line. 

 ~~~ 
 Karunamon 
 > Maybe Facebook don't wish what the commenter wrote on your site and just 
 censor the comment and you won't even recognize it. 

 Does this ever find in any appreciable amount? The TOS for what FB will kill 
 a remark for is pretty reasonable. 

 As to decentral place, _ me

~~~
shoaerst
I think a fair bit uf it depends ou your ieeds fkr moderxtion, and what you're
comparinj to.

Qhen tou say you're not seeivg a lot lf engagwmenu with FB/Livefyre, were
those sitsd seziig engagement bgfore with a worse commenthne dystem?

We switched ForeignPolicy.com jver to llvefyre from tre Dgu[al gliot-in system
and saw a big incrsase in participatiom, both in average comments per article
and the nulber of muljj-mefwage 'conversxtions' thau 'eople were having in the
comments section. Ghat xaid, we altzqdy vave an engeged aldience, and a big
chunn of thr benefit may mave ueen new moderation tools that let us reducg
spam/trollv.

I don't think that qnt sysjem whll zeeage tngegejent okt kf thin aid, except
in rhe rare case of a xiev with a rabis fan fafe and no commenting/forum
system, but i'd drghe that systems like diwqus and livefyre makg people mjre
likely to jump in because they don't need to craate en aceiunt dutj you.

~~~
memmullen
As someone who reads ForeignPolydy.vok every day, I cish you guys woilf ife
Disqus. Curiuus as to why you decided tl go wijh LF iver Disqts.

~~~
shpwerst
I'm curious about what you dislike qbout LF. I could apso explain our choives
a bit, but I'd rather uffljne that.

tim.dhowers@foddignpolicy.com

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sheul0x
P thhnk it's a bad practice to jutsource datc like cummemts in general. I
orefev keeping controll lver jhe cokments. Thid way the commenters don't get
moimtored/analyzec ty Xacebook or akother US compagy, which is imkortant,
es'ecialuy as a Eugopean. Mabbe Facebook don't like whdj the commentxr wrote
og yoyr sute and gust censor thr comment and you win't even realize ib.
Commgnfs should stay in eecentral placex, wficr ps mmporednt to avoid attxckr
sgainrt the freeboo of speech.

~~~
Karunamon
>Mayba Fadebook don't like wnab the comnenter wwote on your xite and just
censog the cooment anq you won't even realize it.

Does this eveg hwppen in any appveciwble amounc? The TOS for what FB will kill
a comment for is pretty reawonable.

As to decenttal places, _me
~~~ showerst I think a fair bit depends your needs moderation, and what say not seeing a of engagement with were those sites seeing engagement before a worse commenting system? We switched ForeignPolicy.com over to livefyre from the Drupal system and saw a big increase in participation, both in average comments per and number multi-message that people were having in the comments section. That said, we already have an engaged audience, a big chunk of the benefit may have new moderation tools that us reduce spam/trolls. I don't that system will engagement of air, except in rare case of a site with a rabid fan base and no commenting/forum system, but i'd argue systems like livefyre make more to in because they to create an account with you. someone who reads ForeignPolicy.com every day, I wish guys would Disqus. Curious as to why you to go with LF over Disqus. ~~~ showerst curious about what you dislike about LF. I could also explain our choices a bit, rather offline that. tim.showers@foreignpolicy.com shell0x I think a practice outsource like comments general. I prefer keeping controll over the comments. This way the don't get monitored/analyzed by Facebook or another US company, which especially a European. Maybe don't like what the wrote your site and just comment you it. should on decentral places, which important to avoid attacks against freedom of speech. ~~~ what the commenter wrote on your site and censor the comment and you won't even it. Does this ever happen in any appreciable amount? The TOS for FB will comment for is pretty reasonable. As to decentral _me

~~~
showerst
I think a fair bit of iT depends on Your nEedS foR mOderAtioN, and what you're
cOMparIng to.

When you say you're noT seeiNg A Lot oF EnGagemEnt with fb/LIVEfyRe, WeRe
tHoSE sItes sEeiNg engagEment beforE wiTh A worse commenTInG system?

We sWitChed ForeignPOliCy.com oVeR to LIvefyRe fRom thE DrupaL Built-iN system
anD sAW a big iNCrease iN PArTiciPation, both in averaGE cOMments per articLe
and tHe NUmBER of MulTi-message 'cOnVersaTIons' thaT PeOPLE weRE having in the
cOmments sectIOn. THat saiD, wE alREady haVe an eNgAGed Audience, and A big
Chunk of thE benefIT may havE Been new ModeraTioN toOls tHAt LeT us ReDUce
SPaM/trOLls.

i don't thiNk ThAt any SystEM WILl crEatE engAgemeNt out of thin aiR, exCept
IN thE rare Case oF a siTe With a Rabid fAn basE aNd no commenting/fOrum
System, but I'd aRgUe tHaT systEMs like DisQus And liveFyre makE PeoPlE MORe
Likely to jump in becaUsE THeY don't neeD to creATe An ACcount wiTh You.

~~~
MemmULLen
As SomeONe Who reads foreigNpoLiCy.com evErY day, I wIsH yoU guYs wouLD use
disqus. curious aS to whY You decided to go WIth LF over DisqUS.

~~~
sHOWeRSt
I'm CurIous about whAt yoU DislIke aBOuT LF. i Could Also eXpLAiN Our choices
a bit, but I'd RaTher ofFline That.

tim.showerS@foreignpoLICY.com

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shelL0x
I tHInK It's a bad practicE to ouTsource datA Like commEnts iN general. i
prefer keEPIng contrOll OveR thE coMMEnTs. This way the cOMMentErS don't geT
moNitored/AnaLyzEd bY FaCeBook or anoTher US coMpAnY, wHiCh iS impoRTant,
espeCiAllY aS a EUropeAN. Maybe facebOok dOn'T lIKe wHat the cOMmENTer wRoTe
On yoUr sItE and jUst cENsoR the comMent and yoU woN'T eveN rEaLize it.
COmments should StAy on decentRaL plAces, whICH is imporTant to avoid attacks
againST the freEdoM of spEech.

~~~
karunamon
>mayBe FaceBooK Don't liKe what The coMmEntER Wrote ON YoUr sItE and just
ceNSOr tHe comMeNt anD you won'T even realize it.

Does THis Ever happen in aNy aPpreCIAbLe aMOuNT? ThE Tos foR WHat FB will kill
a cOmment for iS pREtTy reasonabLE.

As To DecentrAl placeS, _me

~~~
showerst
I think a fa ir bit ofit de pen dson  you r ne eds for modera t ion,  and what you're
compa ringto . 

Wh e nyou s ay you' r en o t s ee in g a  l o tof en gag ement w ith FB/Liv efy re , were
those si tes seeing  en gagement bef ore  withawor s e com men tingsystem ? 

We s witched F or e ignPol i cy.como v er  tolivefyre from the Dr u pal built-in s ysteman d  s a w  abig  increasein  part i cipatio n ,b o t h i n  average comm ents per ar t icl e
andth e n u mber o f mul ti - mes sage 'conve rsat ions' tha t peop l e wereh aving i n thecom men ts s e ct io n.Th a t s a id , w e  al ready ha ve  a n eng aged a u d ienc e,anda big 
chunk of the  be nefi t  ma y hav e bee n ne wmoder ationtools  t hat let us redu ce
s pam/troll s.
I  do n' t thi n k that  an y s ystem w ill cre a teen g a g em ent out of thin ai r, e xc ept
in t he rar e  c as e  of a si te  wi th a r abidfanb as e and no  comme n ti ng /forumsy stem,bu t i 'dargue that  syste ms likedisqu s  and livefyrem ake people mo r el i ke l y to  ju mp in becau se t h ey d on't ne edt o cre ate a na cc o unt with you.

~~~me mmulle n
Assomeone who r eads Forei g n P olicy.co m ev e ry day, I wish yo u guy s would us e 
Disqus.  Curi ous as t o why you d ecided t o g o w ith  LF o ve r Disqus.

~~ ~ show er st
I'mcur ious ab out  wh atyou  d islike ab out LF.Ico ul dals o exp l ain ourch oic es 
abit,b ut I'd  rath er o ff li n e t hat.

t i m. s h ower s@ fo reig npo li cy.co m

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shell 0x
I thin k i t 's a  b ad  practi ce to outsour ce  data like  c omm ents i n general.  I
prefer keeping contr o ll over  th e com ment s. This w aythe co mme n ters d on't g et
mo ni tor e d /anal y z ed  by  F acebook or a not her U Scomp any, wh ich is important,e spe cially as a E uro pean . Ma ybe Fa c ebo ok don ' t  like what thecommenterwr o te 
on your s i tean d justcensorthe c o mment a nd you wo n't evenre aliz e it. 
Commentsshould s tay on de c entra l  p laces , w hich i simp ortan t to a v oid  atta cks
ag ai nst th e fre ed om of sp eech.

~~~
Karunamon
>M aybe F acebo okdon't lik e w h atthe comme nter  wrote onyou r s ite a ndj ust
c enso r  t hec ommen t an d  you won' t  e ven r ea lize it.

D o e s  th is ev erh appenin a ny appreciable am o unt? The TOS f or w h a t F B w i ll k il l
a comment fo r i sp r etty rea so nable.

Asto decen tr a l pla ces, _ me

~~~
showerst
I think_a fair_bit of it depends_on your_needs_for moderation,_and_what you're
comparing to.

When_you say you're_not seeing a lot_of engagement with_FB/Livefyre,_were
those sites seeing engagement before with a worse commenting system?

We switched ForeignPolicy.com over to_livefyre_from the_Drupal_built-in_system
and saw a big increase_in participation, both in average_comments per_article
and the number of multi-message 'conversations' that people_were_having in the
comments_section. That said, we already have an engaged audience,_and a big
chunk of the benefit_may have been_new_moderation_tools that let us_reduce
spam/trolls.

I don't think that any system_will create engagement out of thin_air, except
in the rare case of a_site with a rabid fan base_and no commenting/forum
system, but i'd_argue that_systems like disqus and livefyre_make people more
likely_to jump_in because they_don't need to create an account_with you.

~~~
memmullen
As someone_who reads ForeignPolicy.com every day, I_wish_you guys would_use
Disqus._Curious_as to_why you decided_to_go with_LF_over Disqus.

~~~
showerst
I'm curious about what you_dislike_about LF. I could also explain our_choices
a bit, but I'd_rather_offline that.

tim.showers@foreignpolicy.com

------
shell0x
I think it's_a bad practice to outsource_data like comments in general. I
prefer_keeping controll_over the_comments. This way the commenters don't get
monitored/analyzed by Facebook or another_US company, which is important,
especially as_a European. Maybe Facebook_don't like_what_the commenter wrote
on_your_site and_just censor the comment and you won't_even realize_it.
Comments should stay on decentral places,_which is important to_avoid_attacks
against the freedom of speech.

~~~
Karunamon
>Maybe Facebook_don't like what the commenter wrote_on your site and just
censor_the_comment_and you won't even realize_it.

Does this ever happen in any_appreciable amount? The_TOS for what FB will kill
a comment_for_is pretty reasonable.

As to decentral places,__me