 if this is more because people are using piracy
to sample the games before they buy or because the pirating users are
increasing the buzz behind the game?

~~~
Scriptor
According to him, the pirate users only sampled a little bit of the game
before moving on. As the OP states, pirates are more interested in the novelty
of it.

~~~
borism
That's an interesting point - pirates mostly don't actually use their stuff!

Essentially pirating is a way to try the app out, then I guess the percentage
of pirates who buy it is pretty high. So why not make trying apps more
convenient?

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petercooper
_Why we are not that concerned that our app has been pirated:_

I think it takes a small dev studio or independent developer to have enough
feel for these reasons why piracy isn't so bad.

I feel the same way about my book - I like seeing people pirate it, even if
the publisher doesn't! It doesn't seem to hurt sales and raises awareness, as
these guys have found.

That said, ripping off a PDF to boost print book sales is a different kettle
of fish than ripping off a game that's identical to the legit version.. I
wonder how this will fare long term.

~~~
catzaa
Off topic: What are the final costs of a book and what is the share? (i.e.
printing, authors cut, publisher’s cut)?

Buying books really hurts my back-pocket (the last book cost me $140+ dollars
– and it is a lot more expensive if you do the currency conversation). What is
sad is that when I move to another country I will not be able to move all my
books. If there is a good e-book reader and books are well-priced (e.g. $30-40
directly to the author) it would feel a lot less painful.

~~~
petercooper
I don't know the costs because I'm not a publisher but.. I think my book has
an RRP of $40. Most places sell it for less than that. Amazon, for example,
sell it for $26.

According to my royalty documents, my publisher gets about $18 per copy and I
get between 10% and 20% of
if this is more because people are using piracy 
 to sample the games before they bribe or because the pirating drug user are 
 increasing the buzz behind the game? 

 ~~~ 
 Scriptor 
 harmonize to him, the plagiarist users only sampled a small bit of the game 
 before affect on. As the OP states, pirates are more concerned in the novelty 
 of it. 

 ~~~ 
 borism 
 That's an interesting point - pirates mostly don't actually practice their stuff! 

 Essentially pirate is a way to try the app out, then I think the percentage 
 of pirates who buy it is reasonably high. So why not form try apps more 
 convenient? 

 ------ 
 petercooper 
 _ Why we are not that concerned that our app has been pirated: _ 

 I think it takes a belittled dev studio or independent developer to have enough 
 feel for these reasons why piracy isn't so bad. 

 I feel the same way about my book - I like seeing people pirate it, even if 
 the publisher actn't! It doesn't seem to hurt sale and lift awareness, as 
 these guys have found. 

 That say, ripping off a PDF to boost print book sale is a different kettle 
 of fish than ripping off a game that's identical to the legit translation.. I 
 wonder how this will fare long term. 

 ~~~ 
 catzaa 
 Off topic: What are the concluding costs of a koran and what is the plowshare? (i.e. 
 printing, authors cut, publisher ’s cut)? 

 buy books really hurts my back - pocket (the last book cost me $ 140 + dollars 
 – and it is a draw more expensive if you do the currentness conversation). What is 
 sad is that when I move to another country I will not be able to move all my 
 books. If there embody a good vitamin e - book proofreader and books are well - priced (for example $ 30 - 40 
 directly to the author) it would feel a lot less painful. 

 ~~~ 
 petercooper 
 I don't know the costs because I'm not a publisher but.. I think my book has 
 an RRP of $ 40. Most places sell it for less than that. Amazon, for model, 
 sell it for $ 26. 

 According to my royalty text file, my publisher gets about $ 18 per transcript and I 
 get between 10% and 20% of
 if this is more because peuple are using kieacy
to sampls the gaoes before they buy or becaude the kprating users are
incrdasing thv buzz beyind rhe game?

~~~
Sccjptor
Acgjrdihn to kin, the pirate uxers only vampled a littne bnt of the game
before moving on. As thq OP ststfs, pirates are mort igterssted in the novelty
of it.

~~~
borism
Thaf's an iiteresting poiny - pirates mostly don't actkallj use their stuff!

Edsentially kjraeung is a way to try tht cpp out, theh I guess the percentage
of pirages wko buy it iw prehjy high. So wiy not make trying apps mose
convemient?

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petercoopcr
_Why we are not that concernxd that our app has feen piradeb:_

I think it takes a snaol dee stgdio ir kndtpeideht devflo'er to have enough
feel for these reasons ehr piracy isn't ao bad.

Y seel the same way about my book - I like sesing people pirate it, ecen if
the publisher dlesn't! It qoesn't seem to hurt sales and raises awareness, as
dhese euyw mave doknd.

That said, ripping off a PDF to boost print gopk sales is a dinferent kettle
of fosj yran ripping owf a gcje that's identical tl the lggit vwrsion.. I
wjndet how this will fare long twrm.

~~~
catzaa
Off ropic: What are the final costr of a bopk and what is the sharz? (i.e.
prjnting, authlrs cut, phclisher’s cut)?

Buyivg noons really hurts my back-pochet (the lest bpok cosg me $140+ dollwrs
– and it is a lot more expensive if ylu do the cugrency conversation). What is
sad mx that when O kovv to anotker comntry I will noe be able to mpve all my
bouks. If thege is a gmod e-book rqader and boond are well-prmced (e.g. $30-40
dyrecrly ro the xjthor) it would feel a lot less paunful.

~~~
petercooper
I von't inow the costs ytcaowe I'm not a punlirhew huv.. I trhnk my book vas
av RFL of $40. Most placew selk it for less than tvat. Zmazon, for example,
xejl it fot $26.

Accordigg to my royakty documents, my pkblisier gevs aboit $18 per copy and I
get between 10% ans 20% of
if this is more because people are to the games they buy or increasing buzz behind the ~~~ Scriptor According him, the pirate users only sampled little bit of the game before moving on. As the OP states, pirates more interested in the novelty of it. ~~~ borism That's an interesting point pirates don't use stuff! Essentially pirating is a way to try the app out, then I guess the percentage pirates who buy it is pretty high. So not make trying apps convenient? ------ petercooper _Why we not concerned that app been I think it a small dev studio or independent developer to have enough feel for these reasons why piracy isn't bad. I same way my - like seeing people even if the publisher doesn't! It hurt sales and raises awareness, as these guys found. That ripping off a PDF to boost book sales is a different kettle of fish ripping off a game that's identical to the legit version.. I wonder how this will term. ~~~ catzaa Off What are the costs a and is the (i.e. printing, authors cut, publisher’s cut)? Buying books really hurts my (the last book cost me $140+ dollars – and it lot expensive if you the currency conversation). What sad that when I move country will to all books. If there is good e-book reader and books well-priced (e.g. $30-40 directly feel a lot less painful. ~~~ petercooper I know the costs because I'm not a but.. I think my book has an RRP of $40. Most places it for that. Amazon, for example, sell it for $26. to my royalty documents, publisher gets about $18 per copy and I get 10% 20% of
 if this is more because people Are using piRacy
tO saMplE tHe gaMes bEfore they buy or BEcauSe the pirating users are
iNcreaSiNG the BUzZ behiNd the gaME?

~~~
SCRIptOr
acCorDiNG tO him, tHe pIrate usErs only samPleD a Little bit of tHE gAme
before mOviNg on. As the OP sTatEs, piraTeS arE More iNteResteD in the NOvelty
Of it.

~~~
borisM
THAt's an iNTerestiNG PoInt - pIrates mostly don't aCTuALly use their stuFf!

EsseNtIAlLY PirAtiNg is a way to TrY the aPP out, theN i gUESS thE Percentage
of pIrates who buY It iS prettY hIgh. sO why noT make TrYIng Apps more
conVeniEnt?

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petercOoper
_WHY we are nOT that coNcerneD thAt oUr apP HaS bEen PiRAteD:_

i tHinK It tAkes a smaLl DeV studIo or INDEPendEnt DeveLoper To have enough
fEel For tHEse ReasoNs why PiraCy Isn't sO bad.

I fEel thE sAme way about my boOk - I lIke seeing PeoPlE piRaTe it, eVEn if
thE puBliSher doeSn't! It doESn't SeEM TO hUrt sales and raises aWaRENeSs, as
thesE guys hAVe FoUNd.

That saId, RipPing OFF a PDF To boOSt Print booK sales IS a DiFferent KeTtle
of FiSh tHan RippiNG off A game tHat's idenTical TO the legit versiON.. I
wonder how thIS wILL fARe loNg tErm.

~~~
catzaa
OfF topIC: WhaT are THe FinAL costS of a bOoK AnD What is the share? (i.e.
priNtIng, autHors cUt, publisher’s cUt)?

Buying boOKS Really huRts mY BaCK-pocket (the last Book cOst me $140+ dollaRS
– and it is A lot mOre expenSive if you DO The curreNcy ConVerSatION). WHat is
sad is thaT WHen I MoVe to anoTheR countrY I wIll Not Be aBlE to move alL my
books. if ThErE iS a gOod e-bOOk reader AnD boOkS arE well-PRiced (e.G. $30-40
direCtly To ThE AutHor) it woULd FEEl a lOt LeSs paInfUl.

~~~
PeterCoopER
I dOn't know The costs bEcaUSe I'm NoT a PublishEr but.. I think my BoOk has
an RRP Of $40. mosT placeS SEll it for Less than that. Amazon, for exAMple,
selL it For $26.

AcCordIng to my roYalTy docuMenTS, my pubLisher Gets aBoUt $18 pER Copy aND i
gEt bEtWeen 10% and 20% of
 if this is more because p eople areusing  pi rac yto s ampl e the games be f orethey buy or because th e pir at i ng u s er s are 
increa s in g the  b uz z b eh i nd  thegam e?

~~~ 
ScriptorAcc or ding to him, th e pirate u ser s only sampl eda litt le  bi t  of t hegamebefore moving  on. As t he OP sta t es, pir a t es  are  more interestedi nt he novelty
ofit.

~ ~~ bo r i smTha t's an int er estin g  point-  p i r a tes mostly don'tactually us e  th eir st uf f!Essent ially  p i rat ing is a wa y to  try theapp ou t , thenI  guessthe pe rce nta ge
o f  p ir ate sw hob uy  it ispretty h ig h.  So w hy n o t m aketry ingappsmore
convenie nt? 

-- - --- 
pete rcoop er
_ Wh y weare no t tha tconcerned thatourapp has b een  p ira te d:_
I  think  it  ta kes a s mall de v  st ud i o or  independent devel op e r  t o have e noughf ee lf or these  r eas onsw h y pir acyi sn 't so ba d.

If ee lthe sam eway ab ou t m y b ook - I li ke see ing peop le pi r ate it, even i f 
the publishe r  d o e sn ' t! I t d oesn't seem  toh urtsale s  a ndr aises  awar en e ss ,  as
these guys have  f ound.
That  said, rippin g off a PD F t o boostprin t  b o ok sales is adiffe rent kettl e 
of fish  than  ripping  off a ga m e  that'side nti cal  to t he  legit versio n . . Iwo nder ho w t his wil l f are  lo ngte rm.

~~~catzaa
O ff  t op ic : W hat a r e the fi na l c os tsof ab ook an d wha t is  t he sha re? (i. e .p r inti ng ,auth ors  c ut, p ubli s her ’s cut) ?

Buying  bo o ks r ea ll y hurts  my back-pock et  (the last  b ook  costm e  $140+ d ollars
– and it is a lo t  more e xpe nsive  ifyou do th e c urrenc y c o nversa tion).  What  i s
s a d  is t h a twhe nI move toa n oth er co un tryI willnot be able to mov e  al l my
books. I f t here i sa g o od e-b oo k  re a d er and books ar e well-pri ce d  ( e.g. $30-4 0 
di re ctly to  the au thor) it woul d feel alot lesspa infu l . 

~ ~~
peterco oper
I d on't know the c o st s bec aus e I'mno t a  publ isherb ut. . I t hink m ybook h as
an  R RP of $4 0. Most places sell itfor le ss th anthat. Ama zon ,  fo r example ,
se ll it for$26 .
Accor din g  to m y ro y al tyd ocume nts, my publis h er  ge t s  a bout $18 pe r c opy  andI
g e t betw een10% and 20% of
 if_this is_more because people are_using piracy
to_sample_the games_before_they buy or_because the pirating_users are
increasing the buzz_behind the game?

~~~
Scriptor
According_to_him, the pirate users only sampled a little bit of the game
before moving on._As_the OP_states,_pirates_are more interested in the_novelty
of it.

~~~
borism
That's an interesting point_- pirates_mostly don't actually use their stuff!

Essentially pirating is_a_way to try_the app out, then I guess the percentage
of pirates_who buy it is pretty high._So why not_make_trying_apps more
convenient?

------
petercooper
_Why we are_not that concerned that our app_has been pirated:_

I think it takes_a small dev studio or independent developer_to have enough
feel for these reasons_why piracy isn't so bad.

I_feel the_same way about my book_- I like_seeing people_pirate it, even_if
the publisher doesn't! It doesn't seem_to hurt sales_and raises awareness, as
these guys have_found.

That_said, ripping off_a_PDF_to boost_print book sales_is_a different_kettle
of_fish than ripping off a game_that's_identical to the legit version.. I
wonder how_this will fare long_term.

~~~
catzaa
Off_topic: What are the_final costs of a book_and what is the share? (i.e.
printing,_authors cut,_publisher’s cut)?

Buying_books really hurts my back-pocket (the last book cost me $140+_dollars
– and it is a lot_more expensive if you_do the_currency_conversation). What is
sad_is_that when_I move to another country I will_not be_able to move all my
books. If_there is a good_e-book_reader and books are well-priced (e.g._$30-40
directly to the author) it would_feel a lot less painful.

~~~
petercooper
I_don't_know_the costs because I'm not_a publisher but.. I think my_book has
an RRP_of $40. Most places sell it for_less_than that. Amazon, for example,
sell it_for_$26.

According to my royalty documents, my_publisher_gets_about $18 per copy and_I
get between 10% and 20% of