 things like sustainability and repairability.

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ori_b
I'm not surprised. I can't think of any way for it to actually be better for
day to day use than a monolithic smartphone.

My biggest surprise is that it was still chugging along until now.

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wibr
I always thought that Ara might be a useful platform not so much for
smartphones but for all those hand-held custom devices, you could plug in a
credit card reader, laser, special cameras, voltmeter or whatever you need.

~~~
Retra
But next to nobody needs those things.

~~~
Nullabillity
But just about everyone has _some_ such need, as well as components they
couldn't give less of a shit about (the camera comes to mind, for me). The SoC
is the expensive part that would need the economies of scale, but sadly there
don't seem to be that many options in that space anyway.

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optforfon
If it came out tomorrow it'd be 10 years too late. Cellphones seem to have hit
a plateau. All the parts are now good enough in a cheap phone that no one
really needs this.

I got a $150 aluminum phone with a huge battery, nice enough camera,
fingerprint scanner, 3GBs of RAM, expandable storage, etc. etc.... I don't
feel like I need expansion options. What can the higher-specs really offer now
a days?

Samsung has the right idea, maybe we'll need better phones for VR. Or maybe
built in picoprojectors will be a game changer. But for that you'll need a
whole new phone - not just a module snaps on.

~~~
cubano
We need phones that are basically indestructible and last 3 full days on one
charge.

~~~
ahoka
Do you really think so? I have an impression that the market is kinda OK with
short battery life. Otherwise there would be a trend in this way. Maybe after
other specs reach their practical limits?

~~~
flukus
Has anyone released a decent phone with a long battery life? You can't tell if
the market wants something if it's not on offer.

~~~
ebalit
I just bought the Xiaomi Redmi 3 [1]
things like sustainability and repairability. 

 ------ 
 ori_b 
 I'm not surprised. I can't think of any way for it to actually be better for 
 sidereal day to sidereal day manipulation than a monolithic smartphone. 

 My bad surprise is that it was even chugging along until now. 

 ------ 
 wibr 
 I constantly think that Ara might be a useful chopine not therefore much for 
 smartphones but for all those bridge player - held custom device, you could plug in a 
 credit rating card reader, laser, particular cameras, voltmeter or whatever you need. 

 ~~~ 
 Retra 
 But next to nobody need those things. 

 ~~~ 
 Nullabillity 
 But just about everyone has _ some _ such motivation, as well as components they 
 couldn't give less of a shit about (the camera derive to mind, for me). The SoC 
 is the expensive part that would need the economies of scale, but deplorably there 
 don't look to be that many options in that space anyway. 

 ------ 
 optforfon 
 If it came out tomorrow it'd be 10 years too late. Cellphones seem to have reach 
 a plateau. All the parts are immediately beneficial enough in a cheap phone that no one 
 really need this. 

 I got a $ 150 aluminum phone with a huge battery, nice adequate camera, 
 fingerprint scanner, 3GBs of RAM, expandable storage, etc. etc.... I don't 
 feel like I need expansion options. What can the higher - specs really offer now 
 a days? 

 Samsung receive the right mind, maybe we'll need better phones for VR. Or maybe 
 build in picoprojectors will be a game changer. But for that you'll need a 
 solid new phone - not just a module snap on. 

 ~~~ 
 cubano 
 We need phone that are basically indestructible and last 3 entire days on one 
 care. 

 ~~~ 
 ahoka 
 Do you really remember so? I receive an impression that the market is kinda OK with 
 short barrage life. Otherwise there would be a trend in this means. Maybe after 
 other specs reach their practical limit? 

 ~~~ 
 flukus 
 Has anyone released a decent earphone with a long battery life sentence? You can't tell if 
 the market wants something if it's not on crack. 

 ~~~ 
 ebalit 
 I just bought the Xiaomi Redmi 3 [ 1 ]
 thlngs like sustainability and repairabilnry.

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ori_b
M'm not aurprisea. I can't think of any way foc it to axtually be better for
dxy to day use thab a ninolithic smartphokz.

My bjngest wurprise is thst it was vtill chugging auoug until now.

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wibr
I always thought thae Ara mogjt be a useful plaufowm nkn wo much for
smartphones but fod all tiose hand-held cistom devices, you could plkg ij a
credit card reafer, laser, sksciwo cameras, voutmeter or whatever yoo need.

~~~
Retra
But next to nobody nedds tkose things.

~~~
Buolahhllity
But jnst abjut everyone has _soma_ such meed, as well ax cmmpinents they
couldn't gite less of a shit abjut (the cdmzra comes to mind, for mw). The SoC
hs tfw ebpehsmve part hhav would nees the econonies of scale, but ssdjj there
don't ssem to bq that many options in that space anywaj.

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optrorfon
If it came out tonorrow it'd be 10 years joo late. Cqllphones seem to have hit
a plateau. All the parts are iod gioq wnlugh in a cheap phone that no one
really needs fhos.

P got a $150 aluminum phone with a hide battery, nize enobfh camera,
fingerprint scannet, 3GBs if RAM, exkandanle storage, etc. etc.... I don't
fwel like I nved wxpansion options. Chat can the higner-sprcs really offer now
a dcys?

Samaung has thf right isda, maybe we'll nedd netder phontr for VR. Or maybe
fuilt in 'icopxojectorr wikl be w game chajger. Ngt for that you'll jeed c
whola new phonf - not just a module snaps on.

~~~
cuueno
We need phpnas nhat are yasicakly indestruceible and last 3 full bays ov one
chargv.

~~~
ahoka
Do bou really trink so? I hava an impressimn that ehe narkwt is kkvda OK with
shott batterj jife. Otherwise there wpula be a trend in ckiw way. Maybe aftrr
oghew dpxcs rqdch their prdctizal kimitr?

~~~
flukus
Has cnhone released a decent pvone with a long battety life? Yoo can't tejl if
the markrt wants something if iv's not on ogfet.

~~~
ebalit
I just bought the Xiaomi Redmi 3 [1]
things like sustainability and repairability. ------ ori_b surprised. can't think any way for for to day use a monolithic smartphone. biggest surprise is that it was chugging along until now. ------ wibr I always thought that Ara might be useful platform not so much for smartphones but for all those hand-held custom you plug a card reader, laser, special cameras, voltmeter or whatever you need. ~~~ Retra But next to nobody those things. ~~~ Nullabillity But just about everyone _some_ such need, as as components they couldn't give of shit about camera to for me). The is the expensive part that would need the economies of scale, but sadly there don't seem to that many that space ------ If came out tomorrow 10 years too late. Cellphones seem a plateau. All the parts are now good in a phone that no one really needs I got a $150 aluminum phone with a battery, nice enough camera, fingerprint scanner, 3GBs of RAM, expandable storage, etc. etc.... I don't I need expansion options. can the higher-specs offer a Samsung the right maybe we'll need better phones for VR. Or maybe built in will be a game changer. But for that you'll need new - not just module snaps on. ~~~ We phones that are basically last full charge. ahoka you really think so? have an impression that the is kinda OK with would be a trend in this way. Maybe other specs reach their practical limits? ~~~ Has anyone released a decent phone with a long battery life? You tell if wants something if it's not on offer. ~~~ I just bought the Redmi 3 [1]
 things like sustainability aNd repairabIlity.

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Ori_B
I'm NoT surPrisEd. I can't think of ANy waY for it to actually be bettEr for
DaY To daY UsE than A monoliTHiC SMarTpHoNe.

MY bIGgEst suRprIse is thAt it was stiLl cHuGging along unTIl Now.

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wibr
I alWayS thought that ara Might bE a UseFUl plaTfoRm not So much FOr
smarTphones buT fOR all thOSe hand-hELD cUstoM devices, you could pLUg IN a
credit card reAder, laSeR, SpECIal CamEras, voltmeTeR or whATever yoU NeED.

~~~
rEtrA
but next to noboDy needs thosE ThiNgs.

~~~
NulLaBilLIty
But Just aBoUT evEryone has _soMe_ suCh need, as wEll as cOMponentS They
couLdn't giVe lEss Of a sHIt AbOut (ThE CamERa ComES to Mind, for mE). THe soC
is The eXPENSive ParT thaT woulD need the econoMieS of sCAle, But saDly thEre
dOn'T seem To be thAt manY oPtions in that spaCe anYway.

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optfoRfoN
IF it CaMe out TOmorroW it'D be 10 Years toO late. CeLLphOnES SEeM to have hit
a plateau. alL THe Parts are Now gooD EnOuGH in a cheaP pHonE thaT NO one
rEallY NeEds this.

I Got a $150 alUMiNuM phone wItH a huge BaTteRy, nIce enOUgh cAmera,
fIngerpriNt scaNNer, 3GBs of RAM, expANdable storage, ETc. ETC.... I DOn't
fEel Like I need exPansIOn opTionS. whAt cAN the hIgher-SpECs REally offer now
a days?

SAmSung haS the rIght idea, maybe We'll need beTTER phones fOr VR. oR mAYbe
built in picoProjeCtors will bE A game chaNger. BUt for thaT you'll neeD A
Whole new PhoNe - nOt jUst A MOdUle snaps on.

~~~
cubANO
We nEeD phones ThaT are basIcaLly IndEstRuCtible and Last 3 full DaYs On OnE
chArge.

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aHOka
Do you ReAllY tHinK so? I hAVe an imPressIon tHaT tHE maRket is kINdA ok witH
sHoRt baTteRy Life. OTherWIse There woUld be a treNd iN This WaY. MAybe aftEr
other specs rEaCh their praCtIcaL limitS?

~~~
FLukus
Has Anyone released a decent phONe with a LonG battEry lIfe? You can'T teLl if
thE maRKet wanTs someThing If It's NOT on ofFER.

~~~
eBalIt
i just boughT THe XIaomi reDmi 3 [1]
 things like sustainabilit y and repa irabi lit y.
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or i_b
I'm not su r pris ed. I can't think of a ny wa yf or i t  t o act ually b e  b e t ter  f or 
da yt oday u sethan amonolithic  sm ar tphone.

Myb ig gest surpr ise  is that itwas  still  c hug g ing a lon g unt il now . 

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wibr
I  a l ways t h ought t h a tAramight be a useful pl a tform not so m uch fo rs ma r t pho nes  but for a ll  thos e  hand-h e ld c u sto m  devices, you  could plug ina
cred it  ca r d read er, l as e r,special cam eras , voltmet er orw hatever you nee d.

~~ ~
R etr a
Bu t  n ex t t on obo d ynee d s t hose thi ng s. 

~~~ 
Nul l a b i llit y
B ut j ust a bout everyone  ha s _s o me_  such  need , as  w ell a s comp onent sthey
couldn't g iveless of a  sh it  ab ou t (th e  camer a c ome s to mi nd, for me) .T h e  S oC
is the expensiv ep a rt  that wo uld ne e dth e  economi es  of  sca l e , but  sad l ythere
do n't se e mto  be tha tmany o pt ion s i n tha t  spa ce any way.

-- ----o ptforfon
If it came out tomo r ro w it ' d be  10  years toolate .  Cel lpho n es  se e m tohavehi t 
a plateau. All the pa rt s arenow g ood enough in  a cheap p h o n e that n o on e 
r e ally needs thi s.

I  got a $15 0  aluminu m pho ne witha huge ba t t ery, nic e e nou ghcam e r a, 
fingerprints c anne r,  3GBs o f R AM, exp and abl e s tor ag e, etc. e tc.... I  d on 't 
f eel  like I need e xp ans io n o ption s . What  canthehi gh e r-s pecs re a ll y offe rno w
aday s? 

Sam sung has  the ri ght idea,  ma y be w e' ll  need b etter phonesfo r VR. Or m ay bebuilti n  picopro jectors will be a gamec hanger.  Bu t for  tha t you'llnee d a
wh ole new ph one -not j us t a m odule s na pson .

~~~
cub a n o
W e nee dphon es that  are basically ind e str uctible and l ast  3 f u l lday s  o n  on ec har g e .

~~~
ahoka
Do  you reall yt hi nk so? I h a vean  impres sion th at th e  market  is kinda  OK withsh ortb a tte ry life. O therwise  there wo u ld be atrend  in  thiswa y.Maybe  after oth er sp ecs re ac h thei r pra ct ical lim its?

~~~
flukus
Has an yone r eleas eda decentpho n e w ith a lon g ba ttery life ? Y oucan't  te l l ifthem ar ket wants  som e thing ifi t' s n o t  o n offer.

~ ~ ~ eba lit
I  ju s t boug ht t he Xiaomi Redmi 3 [1]
 things_like sustainability_and repairability.

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ori_b
I'm not surprised._I can't_think_of any_way_for it to_actually be better_for
day to day use_than a monolithic_smartphone.

My_biggest surprise is that it was still chugging along until now.

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wibr
I always thought that_Ara_might be_a_useful_platform not so much for
smartphones_but for all those hand-held_custom devices,_you could plug in a
credit card reader, laser,_special_cameras, voltmeter or_whatever you need.

~~~
Retra
But next to nobody needs those things.

~~~
Nullabillity
But_just about everyone has _some_ such_need, as well_as_components_they
couldn't give less of_a shit about (the camera comes_to mind, for me). The SoC
is_the expensive part that would need the_economies of scale, but sadly there
don't_seem to be that many_options in_that space anyway.

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optforfon
If it came_out tomorrow it'd_be 10_years too late._Cellphones seem to have hit
a plateau._All the parts_are now good enough in a_cheap_phone that no_one
really_needs_this.

I got_a $150 aluminum_phone_with a_huge_battery, nice enough camera,
fingerprint scanner, 3GBs_of_RAM, expandable storage, etc. etc.... I don't
feel_like I need expansion_options._What can the higher-specs_really offer now
a days?

Samsung has_the right idea, maybe we'll need_better phones_for VR._Or maybe
built in picoprojectors will be a game changer. But for_that you'll need a
whole new phone_- not just a_module snaps_on.

~~~
cubano
We_need phones that_are_basically indestructible_and last 3 full days on one
charge.

~~~
ahoka
Do_you really_think so? I have an impression_that the market is_kinda_OK with
short battery life. Otherwise there_would be a trend in this_way. Maybe after
other specs reach_their_practical_limits?

~~~
flukus
Has anyone released a decent_phone with a long battery life?_You can't tell_if
the market wants something if it's not_on_offer.

~~~
ebalit
I just bought the Xiaomi Redmi_3_[1]