ation and may help you in understanding the kinematics that underly what
is going on with your managers.

[0] [https://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-
principle/](https://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/)

~~~
loopz
Research "gaslighting", especially the advice and emotional support articles
about the theme from people with experience.

This is the Old Men's Club, currently undergoing demolishment.

------
ravenstine
Unilaterally setting unreasonable deadlines in order get engineers to "work
harder".

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agentultra
Two questions I always ask a team: Do programmers on the team interact with
users of their software directly and what are the technical chops of the
leadership in charge of engineering.

Technical chops: do they engage in the wider software engineering community,
what projects have they worked on, do they publish papers, give presentations,
do they have a body of work, etc.

If the answer to the first is no and the answer to the second is difficult to
find out then I don't even need to work with the team for a while to know
there is going to be dysfunction. It tells me that this is an ego-driven team,
inexperienced and politics will play a huge part in getting work done.

If the answer to the first is yes and the answer to the second is still
difficult to find there's going to be _some_ bullshit. You will have a toehold
to fight against it because you can get the data you need from your users.

The answer can be no on the first one and the leadership can come from a good
history of delivering good work. There is a range of bullshit here. You can
still have ego driven development with a lot of bullshit. If you can't talk to
your customers it's hard to know whether your leadership is bullshitting or
not. However if you have done your research on leadership and trust them then
there can be minimal amounts of bullshit.

If the answer to the first is yes and the leadership has a strong background
and is well known then go work on that team. This is going to be a great team
with almost zero bullshit. This combination is extremely rare but wonderful
when you encounter it.

How
ation and may help you in understanding the kinematics that underly what 
 is going on with your managers. 

 [ 0 ] [ https://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais- 
 principle/](https://www.ribbonfarm.com / the - gervais - principle/) 

 ~~~ 
 loopz 
 Research " gaslighting ", particularly the advice and aroused support articles 
 about the root from multitude with experience. 

 This is the Old Men's Club, currently undergoing demolishment. 

 ------ 
 ravenstine 
 Unilaterally rig unreasonable deadlines in ordering get engineers to " sour 
 harder ". 

 ------ 
 agentultra 
 Two questions I constantly necessitate a team: Do programmers on the team interact with 
 users of their software immediately and what are the technical chops of the 
 leadership in mission of engineering. 

 Technical chops: do they engage in the wider software technology community, 
 what projects have they work on, do they print papers, give presentations, 
 do they have a body of work, etc. 

 If the solution to the first is no and the answer to the second is difficult to 
 find out then I don't even need to work with the team for a while to acknowledge 
 there is going to be dysfunction. It tells me that this is an ego - driven team, 
 inexperienced and politics will play a huge part in getting work done. 

 If the answer to the inaugural is yes and the answer to the second is even 
 unmanageable to receive there's going to be _ some _ bullshit. You will have a toehold 
 to contend against it because you can get the data you need from your users. 

 The solution can be no on the first one and the leadership can come from a good 
 history of delivering good work. There is a range of bullshit here. You can 
 still have ego driven development with a set of bullshit. If you can't speak to 
 your customers it's hard to know whether your leadership is bullshitting or 
 not. However if you have done your research on leadership and entrust them then 
 there can be minimal amounts of bullshit. 

 If the answer to the first is yes and the leadership take a potent background 
 and is well known then go oeuvre on that team. This is going to be a capital team 
 with almost zero bullshit. This combination is extremely rare but fantastic 
 when you encounter it. 

 How
atiln and may help you in ukderstanding the kinemavics thzt underuy what
is going on with your mqnagees.

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~~~
loopz
Researcm "gaslightitg", especially dhd cdvice and emotional support articlef
about yhf theme from pgople rith vxkerience.

This is the Old Men's Club, currenuly undergoing demplishment.

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ravenstine
Unilategallj setting unreasonwble deadlibes yb order get dngineers uo "work
hardet".

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agentultra
Two questions I alwayr ask a team: Do peoggdmmers on tie teai interact wlnh
users of theor software divectlb ane what are the techniral chops of the
leadgrship in whcrge of engineering.

Texhbical cho[s: du thdy tngege in thf wmder softwade engineerung community,
what ptotvvts have theg workqd on, do they publish papers, give presentdtikns,
do they have a body if work, etc.

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fnkq iuh then I don't even need to work with the team rot s while to knoc
there is going yo br dysfunction. Kt tells je that this is an ego-driden twam,
inexpewienved and politics will play q huge part pn gwtting work done.

If the answer to jhe fitst is yes and the answzr to fhe second ls still
djwficult to find ghege's coing to be _some_ bullshit. Rou will iave c toehola
to gight wgainst it becamve you can get the data ymu need frlm your users.

The answer can be ip on the firxt onv and the leadcrship can come from a good
hixtory oy delixering goos work. Vhere is a rwnge of bullsvlt here. You ran
still rave ego driven aevelopment wiyh a lot of bullshir. If you can't talk to
iohr customers it'w hqrd to know wheyhef yjug lxaderfvip is bullsvittkng pr
not. However if hou nave done your reseasch kn leadership and yrmst them jhen
there can be minimsl amounts of bulldhit.

Ih the enswer to the first is yes and the leadsrship had a strong backdroukd
anq is well lnown then go work on that team. This is going to be a grgat team
with almost zgro bullshit. Tiis coibination is extremely rare byt wonderful
when nou encounter it.

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ation and may help you in underStanding thE kineMatIcs ThAt unDerlY what
is going on WIth yOur managers.

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looPz
REsEarch "gaslighTInG", especiallY thE advice and emOtiOnal suPpOrt ARticlEs
aBout tHe themE From peOple with eXpERience.

tHis is thE oLd men's club, currently undeRGoINg demolishment.

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RavensTiNE
UNILatEraLly setting UnReasoNAble deaDLiNES In oRDer get engineeRs to "work
harDEr".

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aGentulTrA
TwO QuestiOns I aLwAYs aSk a team: Do prOgraMmers on thE team iNTeract wITh
users Of theiR soFtwAre dIReCtLy aNd WHat ARe The TEchNical choPs Of The
leAderSHIP In chArgE of eNgineEring.

TechnicaL chOps: dO TheY engaGe in tHe wiDeR softWare enGineeRiNg community,
what ProjEcts have tHey WoRkeD oN, do thEY publiSh pApeRs, give pResentaTIonS,
dO THEy Have a body of work, etc.

if THE aNswer to tHe firsT Is No ANd the ansWeR to The sECOnd is DiffICuLt to
find Out theN i dOn'T even neEd To work WiTh tHe tEam foR A whiLe to knOw
there iS goinG To be dysfunctioN. it tells me that THiS IS aN Ego-dRivEn team,
inexpErieNCed aNd poLItIcs WIll plAy a huGe PArT In getting work done.

If ThE answeR to thE first is yes anD the answer TO THe second Is stILl
DIfficult to find There'S going to be _SOme_ bullsHit. YoU will havE a toehold
TO Fight agaInsT it BecAusE YOu Can get the data YOU neeD fRom your UseRs.

The anSweR caN be No oN tHe first onE and the lEaDeRsHiP caN come FRom a good
HiStoRy Of dEliveRIng gooD work. therE iS a RAngE of bullSHiT HEre. YOu CaN
stiLl hAvE ego dRiveN DevElopmenT with a lot Of bULlshIt. if You can't Talk to
your cusToMers it's harD tO knOw whetHER your leaDership is bullshitting or
NOt. HowevEr iF you hAve dOne your reSeaRch on lEadERship aNd trusT them ThEn
tHERe can BE MiNimAl Amounts of bULLshIt.

If tHe AnswEr to the First is yes and the leADerShip has a stronG baCkgrOUNd
And IS wELl kNoWN thEN Go work on that teaM. This is goiNg TO bE a great teaM
WitH aLmost zeRo bullsHit. ThIS combinAtion is exTremely raRe But wONDerFul
when you EncounteR it.

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loopz 
R ese a rch " gas light ing",e specia lly the a dv i ce and emotion a l  s uppo rt articles
about th e  theme from pe ople w it h  e x p eri enc e.

This i sthe O l d Men's Cl u b ,  cu r rently underg oing demoli s hme nt.

- -- --- ravens tineUn i lat erally sett ingunreasona ble de a dlinesi n order  get e ngi nee rs t o  " wo rkha r der " .
-- - --- 
agentul tr aTwo q uest i o n s  I a lwa ys a sk ateam: Do prog ram mers onthe t eam i nter ac t wit h
user s ofth eir software di rect ly and wh atar e t he  tech n ical c hop s o f the
l eadersh i p i nc h a rg e of engineering.
T e c hn ical cho ps: do th ey engage i nthe  wid e r  soft ware en gineerin g comm u ni ty ,
whatpr ojects  h ave  th ey wo r kedon, do  they pu blish papers, give p r esentations,d ot h ey have  abody of wor k, e t c.
If t h eans w er to  thefi r st is no and the answe rto the  seco nd is difficu lt to
find o u t then I  don ' te ven need to wo rk wi th the tea m  for a w hileto knowthere isg o ing to b e d ysf unc tio n .  I t tells me th a t  thi sis an e go- driventea m,ine xpe ri enced and  politic swi ll  p lay  a hu g e part i nget ti ngworkd one.
If th e an sw er tothe fir s ti s  yes  a nd  the  an sw er to  the sec ond isstill
dif fic u lt t ofi nd ther e's going tobe  _some_ bu ll shi t. You w ill have  a toehold
to fight aga i nst itbec auseyoucan get t hedata y oun eed fr om you r use rs .
T h e ans w e rcan  b e no on th e fir st on eandthe lea dership can come f r oma good
histor y o f de l i ve rin g  g o odwo r k.T h ere is a rangeof bullshi th er e. You can sti ll  have e go driv en de v elopmen t with alot of bu ll shit . Ifyou can'ttalk toyour cust o mersi t' s har d t o know  w het her y our le a der shipis bul ls hittin g orno t. Howev er if you have done you r rese archonleadershi p a n d t rust them  the n
there ca n b e m inima l a m ounts  ofb ul lsh i t.

I f th e  answer t o  t hef i rs t is yes an d t heleade rsh i p hasa st rong background
a n d is well know n th e n  go  wo r k on  t hat team. This  is  g o i ng to be  a  great team 
with al mo s t zer o bull shit.This co m b in a tion i s ex tre mely rare  bu tw onderfu lwh e n youenco un ter it .

How 
ation and_may help_you in understanding the_kinematics that_underly_what
is going_on_with your managers.

[0]_[https://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-
principle/](https://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/)

~~~
loopz
Research "gaslighting", especially_the advice and emotional_support articles
about the_theme_from people with experience.

This is the Old Men's Club, currently undergoing demolishment.

------
ravenstine
Unilaterally setting unreasonable_deadlines_in order_get_engineers_to "work
harder".

------
agentultra
Two questions I always_ask a team: Do programmers_on the_team interact with
users of their software directly and_what_are the technical_chops of the
leadership in charge of engineering.

Technical chops: do_they engage in the wider software_engineering community,
what projects_have_they_worked on, do they_publish papers, give presentations,
do they have_a body of work, etc.

If the_answer to the first is no and_the answer to the second is_difficult to
find out then I_don't even_need to work with the_team for a_while to_know
there is going_to be dysfunction. It tells me_that this is_an ego-driven team,
inexperienced and politics will_play_a huge part_in_getting_work done.

If_the answer to_the_first is_yes_and the answer to the second_is_still
difficult to find there's going to be__some_ bullshit. You will_have_a toehold
to fight against_it because you can get_the data you need from your_users.

The answer_can be_no on the first one and the leadership can come from_a good
history of delivering good work._There is a range_of bullshit_here._You can
still have_ego_driven development_with a lot of bullshit. If you_can't talk_to
your customers it's hard to know_whether your leadership is_bullshitting_or
not. However if you have done_your research on leadership and trust_them then
there can be minimal_amounts_of_bullshit.

If the answer to the_first is yes and the leadership_has a strong_background
and is well known then go work_on_that team. This is going to_be_a great team
with almost zero bullshit._This_combination_is extremely rare but wonderful
when_you encounter it.

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