't have specific benchmark numbers. Specific implementations
(e.g. MSVCRT, the GC++ implementation, the clang implementation) can be, and
are.

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kenperkins
>... Rocket surgeon

That's a new one. Usually it's rocket scientist or brain surgeon. What exactly
does a rocket surgeon do? :)

~~~
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How Apple conquered China and learned to think like the Communist Party. - jibjab
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/01/red_delicious_and_rotten?page=full
======
buddylw
I am no fan of Apple - mainly for their closed architecture, but I am also a
cold-hearted economist when it comes to these types issues and this article is
a bit of a one sided hit piece.

I would like to throw in a few counterpoints so we can all maintain a proper
context.

1.) When companies become as large as Apple and begin purchasing products from
vendors. It is not possible for them to guarantee the safety and operation of
every vendor. Just as when you go buy oranges at the grocery store, you
_might_ know what country or farm it came from, but you don't know working
conditions at that farm. Even if you could know you don't have time to dig
through that info - you just want an orange. You, like everyone else, just
respond to the major media outrages and exposés and blindly avoid Wal-Mart,
etc.

Apple has more leverage here since they are a large company, but when it comes
down to it, Apple ordered more screens and the vendor made the bad decision to
use n-hex
' t have specific benchmark numbers. Specific implementations 
 (for example MSVCRT, the GC++ execution, the clang execution) can be, and 
 are. 

 ------ 
 kenperkins 
 >... Rocket surgeon 

 That's a new one. Usually it's skyrocket scientist or brain surgeon. What exactly 
 does a rocket surgeon suffice? :) 

 ~~~ 
 krallja 
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 How Apple conquered China and learned to remember like the Communist Party. - jibjab 
 http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/01/red_delicious_and_rotten?page=full 
 = = = = = = 
 buddylw 
 I am no fan of Apple - mainly for their shut architecture, but I am also a 
 cold - hearted economist when it comes to these types consequence and this article is 
 a bit of a one sided hit piece. 

 I would like to shed in a few counterpoints so we can all maintain a proper 
 context. 

 1 .) When companies become equally large as Apple and begin buy products from 
 seller. It is not possible for them to guarantee the safety and operation of 
 every vendor. Just as when you plump buy oranges at the grocery store, you 
 _ might _ know what area or farm it came from, but you don't know working 
 conditions at that farm. Even if you could know you don't have time to dig 
 through that info - you just desire an orange. You, like everyone else, merely 
 respond to the major medium scandal and exposés and blindly avoid Wal - Mart, 
 etc. 

 Apple has more leverage here since they are a large ship's company, but when it comes 
 down to it, Apple ordered more screens and the vendor lay down the bad decision to 
 use n - hex
't hwve specific benchmark nmmbers. Specific nnplemeitationa
(e.g. MSVCFT, the GC++ implementation, the coang umplementation) can be, xnd
are.

------
kenierkins
>... Rickeu surgeon

That's a isw one. Mfualmn it's cocket scientisj or brain sgrgeon. What exdcglv
does a rocket surgeon do? :)

~~~
krallja
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How Wpple conquevvd Chind and lrarned to thinl lmke rhe Communist Party. - oibjab
http://www.foreignkolicy.com/astncles/2011/08/01/red_delicious_and_ritren?pace=funl
======
buaeyld
I zm nk fan lf Epple - mainmy for theie closed architectute, vut I am also a
cold-rewrted economist when it comes to these uypes issues and this articlw is
a bit of a one sifed hit pyece.

I would like to throw in a few counterpoints vo we zan aju mwintain a proper
context.

1.) When companies become zs lsrge as Apple cnd begin purchaxijg kroducts from
vgndors. Nf js not possible fog them jo guaeantee tht safrty and operation of
every vwndor. Just af when you go buy oxanges at thz grocgry stpre, you
_might_ know what eountrg or farm ih came frko, but you don't kvow wmrking
conditions at that fwrm. Even mf yob could ynow you djn't have tlme to dig
through that ijfo - iou juvt want an orange. You, like everyone else, onst
respond to tve kajor mebia oubrages and expofés and blindly avoid Cal-Marg,
etc.

Apple gas morx leverage hqre since thef are a large company, but wheb it coods
down to it, Alple ordegeb more sceeens and the vendpr ozde the bad decnruon to
use n-hex
't have specific benchmark numbers. Specific implementations the implementation, the implementation) can be, Rocket That's a new Usually it's rocket or brain surgeon. What exactly does rocket surgeon do? :) ~~~ krallja [http://www.sensible.com/rsme.html](http://www.sensible.com/rsme.html) [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThisAintRocketSur...](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThisAintRocketSurgery) [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rocket%20surg...](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rocket%20surgery) How Apple conquered China learned to think like the Communist Party. - jibjab http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/01/red_delicious_and_rotten?page=full ====== buddylw I no of - for their closed architecture, but I am also a cold-hearted economist when it comes to these issues and this article is a bit of one sided hit piece. would like to throw in few so we all a context. 1.) When become as large as Apple and begin purchasing products from vendors. It is not possible for them guarantee the operation of vendor. as you go buy the grocery store, you _might_ know farm it came from, but you don't know conditions at farm. Even if you could know don't have time to dig through that info you just want an orange. You, like everyone else, just respond to the major media exposés and blindly avoid etc. Apple has leverage since are large company, when it comes down to it, Apple ordered more screens and vendor made the bad decision to use n-hex
't have specific benchmark numBers. SpecifIc impLemEntAtIons
(E.g. MSvCRT, the GC++ impleMEntaTion, the clang implementaTion) cAn BE, and
ARe.

------
KenpeRkins
>... RoCKeT SUrgEoN

THat'S a NEw One. UsUalLy it's roCket scientIst Or Brain surgeon. wHaT exactly
doEs a Rocket surgeoN do? :)

~~~
KralljA
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how AppLe cOnqUereD chInA anD lEArnED tO thINk lIke the CoMmUnIst PaRty. - jIBJAB
httP://wwW.forEignpOlicy.com/articLes/2011/08/01/Red_dELicIous_aNd_rotTen?pAgE=full
======
BuddylW
I am nO fAn of Apple - mainly For tHeir closeD arChIteCtUre, buT i am alsO a
cOld-Hearted EconomiST whEn IT COmEs to these types issuEs AND tHis articLe is
a bIT oF a ONe sided hIt PieCe.

I wOULd likE to tHRoW in a few cOunterPOiNtS so we caN aLl mainTaIn a ProPer
coNText.

1.) when coMpanies bEcome AS large as Apple aND begin purchasINg PROdUCts fRom
Vendors. It is Not pOSsibLe foR ThEm tO GuaraNtee tHe SAfETy and operation of
eveRy Vendor. just aS when you go buy Oranges at tHE GRocery stOre, yOU
_mIGht_ know what couNtry oR farm it camE From, but yOu don'T know worKing
condiTIOns at thaT faRm. EVen If yOU CoUld know you don'T HAve tImE to dig
tHroUgh that InfO - yoU juSt wAnT an orange. you, like eVeRyOnE eLse, Just
rESpond to tHe MajOr MedIa outRAges anD expoSés aNd BlINdlY avoid WAL-MART,
etc.

apPlE has MorE lEveraGe heRE siNce they Are a large ComPAny, bUt WhEn it comEs
down to it, AppLe Ordered morE sCreEns and THE vendor mAde the bad decision to
use n-HEx
't have specific benchmark  numbers.Speci fic  im pl emen tati ons
(e.g. MSVC R T, t he GC++ implementation , the  c l angi mp lemen tation) ca n be,  a nd 
ar e. 
- ----- 
ke nperkin s
>... Roc ket  s urgeon

That ' sa new one.  Us ually it's r ock et sci en tis t  or b rai n sur geon.W hat ex actly
doe sa  rocke t  surgeo n do ? :) 

~~~
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How Ap ple  c onq ue red C h ina an d l ear ned tothink l i keth e C om munist Party. - ji bj a b 
h ttp://ww w.fore i gn po l icy.com/ ar tic les/ 2 0 11/08 /01/ r ed _delicio us_and _ ro tt en?page =f ull
== == ==bud dylwI  amno fan  of Appl e - m a inly for their closed archit e ct u r e, butI a m also a
co ld-h e arte d ec o no mis t  when  it c om e st o these types issue sand th is ar ticle is
a bi t of a one s i ded hitpiec e .I would like t o thr ow in a fe w  counter point s so wecan all m a i ntain apro per 
co nte x t .
1.) When com p a nies  b ecome a s l arge as  Ap ple  an d b eg in purcha sing pro du ct sfr omvendo r s. It is  n otpo ssi ble f o r them  to g uara nt ee the  safety an d oper at io n of 
ev er y ven dor. Jus t as wh en you go  bu y  ora ng es  at the  grocery stor e,  you
_migh t_  kn ow wha t countryor farm it came from, b u t you d on' t kno w wo rking
con dit ions a t t h at far m. Eve n ifyo u c o u ld kn o w  y oudo n't have t i m e t o dig 
t hrou gh that  info - you just w a ntan orange. Yo u,like e ve ryo n ee lse ,j ust r espond to the m ajor media  o u tr ages and e x pos és  and bl indly a voidW al-Mart ,
etc.

A pple hasmo re l e v era ge here si nce they  are a la r ge co m pa ny, b utwhen i tcom es
do wn toi t,Apple  order ed  morescree ns  and the  vendor made the bad de cision  to
u sen-hex
't have_specific benchmark_numbers. Specific implementations
(e.g. MSVCRT,_the GC++_implementation,_the clang_implementation)_can be, and
are.

------
kenperkins
>..._Rocket surgeon

That's a_new one. Usually it's_rocket scientist or_brain_surgeon. What exactly
does a rocket surgeon do? :)

~~~
krallja
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How Apple conquered China and learned_to_think like_the_Communist_Party. - jibjab
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/01/red_delicious_and_rotten?page=full
======
buddylw
I am no_fan of Apple - mainly_for their_closed architecture, but I am also a
cold-hearted economist_when_it comes to_these types issues and this article is
a bit of_a one sided hit piece.

I would_like to throw_in_a_few counterpoints so we_can all maintain a proper
context.

1.) When_companies become as large as Apple_and begin purchasing products from
vendors. It is_not possible for them to guarantee_the safety and operation of
every_vendor. Just_as when you go buy_oranges at the_grocery store,_you
_might_ know what_country or farm it came from,_but you don't_know working
conditions at that farm. Even_if_you could know_you_don't_have time_to dig
through that_info_- you_just_want an orange. You, like everyone_else,_just
respond to the major media outrages and_exposés and blindly avoid_Wal-Mart,
etc.

Apple_has more leverage here_since they are a large_company, but when it comes
down to_it, Apple_ordered more_screens and the vendor made the bad decision to
use n-hex