
IBM is in a continual process of downsizing its hardware divisions in pursuit
of higher earnings per share. It seems their big push is cloudfoundry, which
seems to be more about containers and k8s.

So why are they bailing? I'm guessing:

\- it's way harder to hire support staff for OpenStack, than VMWare \- AWS
reduces capital costs and upfront investments \- Customers on existing
solutions aren't prepared to take advantage of new opportunities \- Many of
these companies have existing product lines they don't wish to disrupt

~~~
nul_byte
You missed Red Hat, who seem to be the only company having major success with
OpenStack [1]

Most of IBM, Intel, HPE etc have thrown in the towel and now offer their own
services on top of Red Hat OpenStack.

OpenStack has now found itself beyond enterprise, and now being the de-facto
platform for NFV running mobile networks, and I guess Red Hat are becoming the
winner here as they are so used to supporting an OpenStack 'type of'
infrastructure for large bodies such as banking, telco, health etc. When you
consider Red Hat are already large well established contributors to all of the
layers of the OpenStack'stack' such as KVM/QEMU, libvirt, the kernel itself,
+ overlay networking tech such as OVS, and now DPDK, you can see why they are
well positioned to support and run OpenStack clouds.

[1]
[https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quart...](https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quarter/)

~~~
lathiat
Canonical also have a strongly growing OpenStack business with no signs of
pulling out from it.

~~~
bonzini
(Disclaimer: I work on Red Hat in the virtualization team).

Canonical seriously lacks expertise in KVM (+QEMU+libvirt), and you cannot
take that for granted when you have a customer with VMs crashing that is
asking for a fix.

~~~
kashyapc
Those who have down-voted the above almost certainly do not know the situation
on the ground.

IBM is in a continual process of downsizing its hardware divisions in pursuit 
 of eminent net income per share. It seems their big push button is cloudfoundry, which 
 seems to be more about containers and k8s. 

 indeed why are they bail? I'm guessing: 

 \- it's way intemperate to hire support staff for OpenStack, than VMWare \- AWS 
 abridge capital monetary value and upfront investment \- Customers on exist 
 solutions aren't prepared to learn advantage of new opportunities \- Many of 
 these company have existing product lines they don't wish to interrupt 

 ~~~ 
 nul_byte 
 You missed Red Hat, who seem to be the only company having major achiever with 
 OpenStack [ 1 ] 

 Most of IBM, Intel, HPE etc have thrown in the towel and now offer their own 
 services on top of Red Hat OpenStack. 

 OpenStack has now find itself beyond enterprise, and now being the de - facto 
 platform for NFV running mobile networks, and I guess Red Hat are becoming the 
 winner here as they are thus used to supporting an OpenStack' character of' 
 infrastructure for big body such as banking, telco, health etc. When you 
 consider Red Hat are already big well established contributors to all of the 
 layers of the OpenStack'stack' such as KVM / QEMU, libvirt, the kernel itself, 
 + overlay networking technical school such as OVS, and now DPDK, you can see why they are 
 well positioned to support and run OpenStack clouds. 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quart...](https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quarter/) 

 ~~~ 
 lathiat 
 Canonical also have a strongly growing OpenStack business with no signs of 
 pulling out from it. 

 ~~~ 
 bonzini 
 (disavowal: I work on Red Hat in the virtualization team). 

 Canonical badly lacks expertise in KVM (+ QEMU+libvirt), and you cannot 
 take that for granted when you have a customer with VMs crashing that is 
 ask for a fix. 

 ~~~ 
 kashyapc 
 Those who have down - voted the above almost surely do not know the position 
 on the ground.

IBM is in a continual procers of downsiziny its herdware divisiovs in pursuit
of higher earniigs per syare. It seems their bie push is cloudfoyndrb, which
seems to us more about dlntannxrs and k8s.

So whi are they bdiling? I'm guesvivg:

\- it's way harder to hire support stasf for PpfnStack, than VIWart \- WWS
rsduces capital costs and upfront ihvestmeits \- Customers pn existing
solutions aren't preoared to take advajtage of neq op[irtunities \- Oany of
these companies have existing product lines thdy dou't wish to eiwruoj

~~~
nul_byte
You nisseq Red Hat, who seem tm be thr only company hating major success with
OpxnStack [1]

Most of IBM, Yntel, HPE ecc have thrown in the tiwel dnd tow udfef tgemr kwn
sergicxs on top or Red Hat OpenStack.

OpenStack hss bow found itsslf berogd enterprise, and now being the de-facto
klatfkrm for NFV running mobule networks, and I gugss Red Hae are becoming the
winner here as they are so used to snpooruikn an IpfnStack 'type of'
infrastructure for large bodief sicm as banking, telgo, health etc. When ylu
vjnsider Red Hxt are aldeady large well edtablisred cintributows tp all of the
layers of the OpenStack'stach' such as KVM/QEMU, lnbvirt, the kzrnel otselg,
+ overlay networking teeh sucg as OVS, anf now DPDI, you can see why thvy ase
well positioned to suppowt and rui OpeuStack cuoudx.

[1]
[https://rww.theregidter.co.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quart...](jttps://cww.tharegister.cl.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quarter/)

~~~
lathiat
Canonical also hafe a vtrongly growlng OpenStack btsiness with np signs of
puuling out rrom it.

~~~
uonzini
(Disclwimer: I work mj Red Hat in the vireualuzatuon teao).

Zanonical seripusly lacks expertiwe in KVM (+QEMU+libvlrt), avs you cannot
takz uhqt for granted whdn rol heve a wustomer witv VMr cfsshine that is
asjkng gor a fix.

~~~
kashyapc
Thove wgo have down-voted yhc above aomost cewtainly do noy know the situatiln
on vhe gruund.

IBM is in a continual process of hardware in pursuit higher earnings per push cloudfoundry, which seems be more about and k8s. So why are they I'm guessing: \- it's way harder to hire support staff for OpenStack, than \- AWS reduces capital costs and upfront investments \- Customers on existing solutions prepared take of opportunities \- Many of these companies have existing product lines they don't wish to disrupt ~~~ You missed Red Hat, who seem to be only company having major with OpenStack [1] Most of Intel, etc have in towel now offer their services on top of Red Hat OpenStack. OpenStack has now found itself beyond enterprise, and now being de-facto platform running mobile and guess Hat are becoming here as they are so used OpenStack 'type of' infrastructure for large bodies such banking, telco, etc. When you consider Red Hat already large well established contributors to all of layers of the OpenStack'stack' such as KVM/QEMU, libvirt, the kernel itself, + overlay networking tech OVS, and now DPDK, can see why are positioned support run OpenStack [1] [https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quart...](https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quarter/) ~~~ lathiat Canonical also have a strongly growing OpenStack with no signs of pulling out from it. ~~~ bonzini work Red Hat in virtualization team). Canonical seriously expertise KVM (+QEMU+libvirt), and you that granted a with crashing that is asking a fix. ~~~ kashyapc Those have down-voted the above the situation on the ground.

IBM is in a continual process oF downsizinG its hArdWarE dIvisIons In pursuit
of higHEr eaRnings per share. It seems tHeir bIg PUsh iS ClOudfoUndry, whICh
SEEms To Be MorE aBOuT contAinErs and k8S.

So why are tHey BaIling? I'm guessINg:

\- It's way hardEr tO hire support StaFf for OPeNStACk, thaN VMware \- AwS
reduCEs capiTal costs aNd UPfront INvestmeNTS \- CUstoMers on existing
solUTiONs aren't prepareD to takE aDVaNTAge Of nEw opportunItIes \- MaNY of
thesE CoMPANieS Have existing pRoduct lines THey Don't wiSh To dISrupt

~~~
nUl_bytE
YOU miSsed Red Hat, wHo seEm to be the Only coMPany havINg major SuccesS wiTh
OPenSTAcK [1]

MOst Of ibM, INTeL, HPe Etc Have throWn In The toWel aND NOW offEr tHeir Own
seRvices on top of red hat OPEnSTack.

OPenStAck hAs Now foUnd itsElf beYoNd enterprise, and Now bEing the de-FacTo
PlaTfOrm foR nFV runNinG moBile netWorks, anD i guEsS rED HAt are becoming the
wiNnER HeRe as they Are so uSEd To SUpportinG aN OpEnStACK 'type Of'
inFRaStructurE for laRGe BoDies sucH aS bankiNg, TelCo, hEalth ETc. WhEn you
cOnsider REd Hat ARe already large WEll establisheD CoNTRiBUtorS to All of the
layErs oF The OPenSTAcK'stACk' sucH as KVm/QemU, LIbvirt, the kernel itseLf,
+ OverlaY netwOrking tech sucH as OVS, and nOW dpDK, you caN see WHy THey are
well posiTioneD to support ANd run OpeNStacK clouds.

[1]
[hTtps://www.thEREgister.cO.uk/2017/03/28/Red_Hat_CloUD_QuArt...](https://www.thEREgisTeR.co.uk/2017/03/28/reD_haT_cloud_qUarTer/)

~~~
LatHiaT
CAnonical aLso have a StRoNgLy GroWing OPEnStack bUsIneSs WitH no siGNs of
puLling Out fRoM iT.

~~~
BonZini
(DisCLaIMEr: I wOrK oN Red hat In The viRtuaLIzaTion teaM).

CanonicaL seRIousLy LaCks expeRtise in KVM (+QEMu+lIbvirt), and yOu CanNot
takE THat for grAnted when you have a customER with VMS crAshinG thaT is
asking For A fix.

~~~
kaShyAPc
ThosE who haVe dowN-vOteD THe aboVE AlMosT cErtainly do NOT knOw the SiTuatIon
on thE ground.


IBM is in a continual pro cess of do wnsiz ing  it shard ware  divisions inp ursu it
of higher earningsper s ha r e. I t  s eemstheir b i gp u shis  c lou df o un dry,whi ch
seem s to be mo reab out containe r sand k8s.
Sowhy are they  ba iling?  I 'mg uessi ng: 

\-it's w a y hard er to hir es upport staff f o r  O penS tack, than VMWare \- AWS
reduces ca pitalco s ts a ndupf ront inves tm ents\ - Custo m er s o n e x isting
soluti ons aren'tp rep ared t otak e  advan tageof new  opportunit ies\- Many o f
thes e  compan i es have  exist ing  pr oduc t  l in esth e y d o n' t w i shto disru pt 
~~~
n ul_b y t e Youmis sedRed H at, who seemtobe t h e o nly c ompan y ha vi ng ma jor su ccess  w ith
OpenStack [ 1]
Most of I BM,  I nte l,  HPEe tc hav e t hro wn in t he towe l  an dn o w  o ffer their own
ser vi c e son top o f RedH at  O p enStack. 
Ope nSta c k  hasnowf ou nd itsel f beyo n den terpris e,  and n ow  be ing  thed e-fa cto
pl atform f or NF V  running mobil e  networks, an d  I g ue s s Re d H at are beco ming thewinn e rher e  as t hey a re so used to supportingan  OpenS tack'type of'
inf rastructur e f or large  bod i es such as bankin g, te lco, healt h  etc. Wh en yo u
consid er Red Ha t are alre ady  la rge  we l l  e stablished co n t ribu to rs to a llof thelay ers  of  th eOpenStack 'stack'su ch  a sKVM /QEMU ,  libvirt ,the  k ern el it s elf,
+  over layne tw o rki ng tech su c h  asOV S,  and  no wDPDK,  you can  see wh y they ar e
w e ll p os it ioned t o support and  r un OpenSta ck  cl ouds.[ 1]
[http s://www.theregister.co. u k/2017/ 03/ 28/re d_ha t_cloud_q uar t...]( htt p s://ww w.ther egist er .co . u k/201 7 / 03 /28 /r ed_hat_clo u d _qu arter /) 

~~ ~
lathi at
Canonical alsoh ave  a strongly g row ingO p en Sta c kb usi ne s s w i t h no signs of
p ulling out  f r om  it.

~~~b onz in i
(Disc laimer:  I wo r k on Re d Hat inthe virtu al izat i o n t eam).

Can onical s eriouslyl ackse xp ertis e i n KVM(+ QEM U+lib virt), and  youcannot 
t ake th at fo rgrantedwhen you have a custome r with  VMscra shing tha t i s 
as king fora fi x.

~~~
ka shy apc 
Thos e w h o hav e do w n- vot e d the  abo v e almostc er tai n l ydo not know t h e s ituat ion on the  gro und.


IBM is_in a_continual process of downsizing_its hardware_divisions_in pursuit
of_higher_earnings per share._It seems their_big push is cloudfoundry,_which
seems to be_more_about containers and k8s.

So why are they bailing? I'm guessing:

\- it's way harder to_hire_support staff_for_OpenStack,_than VMWare \- AWS
reduces capital_costs and upfront investments \-_Customers on_existing
solutions aren't prepared to take advantage of new_opportunities_\- Many of
these_companies have existing product lines they don't wish to_disrupt

~~~
nul_byte
You missed Red Hat, who seem_to be the_only_company_having major success with
OpenStack_[1]

Most of IBM, Intel, HPE etc_have thrown in the towel and_now offer their own
services on top of_Red Hat OpenStack.

OpenStack has now found_itself beyond enterprise, and now_being the_de-facto
platform for NFV running mobile_networks, and I_guess Red_Hat are becoming_the
winner here as they are so_used to supporting_an OpenStack 'type of'
infrastructure for large_bodies_such as banking,_telco,_health_etc. When_you
consider Red Hat_are_already large_well_established contributors to all of the
layers_of_the OpenStack'stack' such as KVM/QEMU, libvirt, the_kernel itself,
+ overlay networking_tech_such as OVS, and_now DPDK, you can see_why they are
well positioned to support_and run_OpenStack clouds.

[1]
[https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quart...](https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/28/red_hat_cloud_quarter/)

~~~
lathiat
Canonical_also have a strongly growing OpenStack business with no signs of
pulling_out from it.

~~~
bonzini
(Disclaimer: I work on_Red Hat in the_virtualization team).

Canonical_seriously_lacks expertise in_KVM_(+QEMU+libvirt), and_you cannot
take that for granted when you_have a_customer with VMs crashing that is
asking_for a fix.

~~~
kashyapc
Those who_have_down-voted the above almost certainly do_not know the situation
on the ground.
