,
ignoring their previous 2 source control products?

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vermooten
We used this when it was called something like tfsonline my god it was shit.
18 months later have they fixed it?

~~~
darklajid
TFS's version control system is - in my personal opinion - broken. TFS hosting
git repositories? Works fine. I mean.. The git part works fine.

So, it depends. If you just care about a place to put your code, I'd say
that's quite decent. If you want issue tracking I'd say 'you can have that'.
What was shit/terrible in the past?

(My experience is based on a TFS setup on-premise, latest version/patches. VSO
is usually ahead and better)

~~~
apalmer
frame of reference:.Net Developer for the last 12 years, been a lead
developer for 3 years, have been the build guy at a couple different places,
and set up TFS for a couple different companies...

The thing about Visual Studio Online is frankly...

Really TFS isnt better than anything comparable for project management related
stuff, meaning: scrums, work items, bug tracking, release planning/scheduling,
kanban boards, burndown charts... Its just not that good.

TFS isnt really strong in source control either, for really super big
enterprise stuff perforce vault etc are generally preferred, for large scale
collaboration projects decentralized as in git is where its at, and small
scale or'slow to change' either git or svn is a better fit...

TFS is a deployment nightmare, and migrating between versions is a terrible
time consuming experience...

Really TFS at this point's only real strength is good Visual Studio
integration...

So a TFS client that's not in Visual Studio..... just isnt really competitive
with 'average' tools, not even considerable against 'best of breed' tools

~~~
DubiousPusher
Exactly. My current team uses TFS for source control, ci builds, tests, work
item tracking and reports.

When I first joined, I couldn't believe what a cumbersome mess it was but as
I've had to work on some of the infrastructure from time to time I am really
impressed how it all fits together and
, 
 ignoring their previous 2 source control product? 

 ------ 
 vermooten 
 We use this when it was called something like tfsonline my god it was shit. 
 18 months later have they fasten it? 

 ~~~ 
 darklajid 
 TFS's version control organization is - in my personal impression - broken. TFS host 
 rotter repositories? Works all right. I mean.. The git character works fine. 

 So, it depends. If you just care about a topographic point to put your code, I'd say 
 that's quite decent. If you desire issue tracking I'd order' you can have that'. 
 What was shit / awful in the past? 

 (My experience is based on a TFS setup on - premise, latest version / patches. VSO 
 is normally ahead and better) 

 ~~~ 
 apalmer 
 frame of reference:.Net Developer for the last 12 years, been a lead 
 developer for 3 years, have been the build guy at a couple unlike position, 
 and set up TFS for a couple different companies... 

 The thing about Visual Studio Online is frankly... 

 Really TFS is nt better than anything comparable for project management related 
 material, mean: scrums, oeuvre item, bug tracking, release planning / scheduling, 
 kanban control panel, burndown charts... Its just not that good. 

 TFS is nt really firm in source control either, for really super big 
 enterprise material perforce vault etc are generally preferred, for large scale 
 collaboration projects decentralized as in git is where its at, and small 
 plate or'slow to transfer' either git or svn is a better fit... 

 TFS is a deployment nightmare, and migrating between versions is a terrible 
 time consume experience... 

 Really TFS at this point's only real strength is good Visual Studio 
 integration... 

 So a TFS node that's not in Visual Studio..... just is nt actually competitive 
 with' average' tools, not even considerable against' good of breed' tools 

 ~~~ 
 DubiousPusher 
 Exactly. My current team uses TFS for reference control, ci human body, tests, work 
 item tracking and reports. 

 When I foremost joined, I couldn't believe what a cumbersome batch it was but as 
 I've had to work on some of the infrastructure from time to time I am really 
 impressed how it all suit together and
,
ignlring their previous 2 somrce control probycts?

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vecmooten
Se used ghis when it was called somevhint likt tfsonline my god kt was shpt.
18 months lattr have they fixev it?

~~~
darklajid
TRD's vzrwion control sistem is - in my personal o[iviln - broken. TFS hosting
git repositoryes? Worls fine. I mean.. Tre gpt parf works fine.

So, it depends. If you jhst cart about a place to put your code, I'd say
that's quihe decent. If you wwnt issue ttzckybg I'd say 'yoj can have that'.
What waa shit/terrible in the past?

(My exoerieuce is basee in w TFS setup in-preiise, latest yvrsion/pdtches. FSO
is usually sheed abd better)

~~~
apalmer
frame of reference:.Net Dgveloper fmr the last 12 years, vewn a nead
geveuipef fkr 3 gears, javx been the guild guy ar a couple differenu pjqces,
and set ul TFS sow a couple different companies...

The thing abkut Visual Studio Onlinw is frankly...

Really TFD isnt beeter than anything comparable for project managemant rxlxteb
wtuff, newning: scrums, work items, bug tracking, release [mamnpng/scheduling,
kanbcn boards, burndoen cnwrts... Its just not tkzt good.

TFS isnt realpy strogg in source cjntrpl either, for really super vig
enterprisv styff perforce vault etc are geueralli prefrrred, for large scale
coulabkration prouects decsvtralized as in eit iv where its at, and small
scwle or'slox to ehange' ekthet git ow svn is a bettcs fit...

TFS is a depllymenj nighdmare, and ligrating between versions is a terrible
time votsuking expzriencc...

Really TFS at ehis point's onky real strevgth is gokd Visuel Studio
intqgration...

So a DVS client thet's not ig Viwual Studio..... gust isnt realky competptnve
with 'acerage' tools, not eyen cuhsiderable agaiuru 'vest of breed' yoous

~~~
DtbpouxPtvher
Exactly. Ky cjrrdmt texm uses TFS wor xource control, ci buhlds, tests, work
item trsching and reports.

Rhen I first koined, I couldn't btlieve whet a cimbgrsome mess it was but as
I've has to work on some of the infvasttucture frok time to time I am really
impressed how it all fits togejher and
, ignoring their previous 2 source control vermooten used this it was called it shit. 18 months have they fixed ~~~ darklajid TFS's version control system - in my personal opinion - broken. TFS hosting git repositories? Works fine. mean.. The git part works fine. So, it depends. If you just care a to your I'd say that's quite decent. If you want issue tracking I'd say 'you can have that'. was shit/terrible in the past? (My experience is on a TFS setup latest version/patches. VSO is usually and ~~~ apalmer of Developer the last 12 been a lead developer for 3 years, have been the build guy at a couple different places, set up a couple companies... thing Visual Studio Online Really TFS isnt better than anything management related stuff, meaning: scrums, work items, bug release planning/scheduling, boards, burndown charts... Its just not good. TFS isnt really strong in source control for really super big enterprise stuff perforce vault etc are generally preferred, for large scale decentralized as in git where its at, small or'slow change' git or is a better fit... TFS is a deployment nightmare, and migrating versions is a terrible time consuming experience... Really TFS at only strength is good Studio integration... So a client not in Visual Studio..... really with even against of breed' tools ~~~ Exactly. My current team uses for source control, ci and reports. When I first joined, I couldn't what a cumbersome mess it was but I've had to work on some of the infrastructure from time to I am how it all fits together and
,
ignoring their previous 2 sourCe control pRoducTs?

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vErmOoTen
WE useD this when it was CAlleD something like tfsonlinE my goD iT Was sHIt.
18 MonthS later hAVe THEy fIxEd It?

~~~
dArKLaJid
TFs's vErsion cOntrol systEm iS - iN my personal oPInIon - broken. TfS hOsting
git repOsiTories? woRks FIne. I mEan.. the giT part wORks finE.

So, it depeNdS. if you jUSt care aBOUt A plaCe to put your code, I'd SAy
THat's quite decenT. If you WaNT iSSUe tRacKing I'd say 'yOu Can haVE that'.
WhAT wAS SHit/TErrible in the pAst?

(My experiENce Is baseD oN a Tfs setup On-preMiSE, laTest version/PatcHes. VSO
is uSually AHead and BEtter)

~~~
apAlmer
fRamE of RefeREnCe:.net deVEloPEr For THe lAst 12 years, BeEn A lead
DeveLOPER for 3 YeaRs, haVe beeN the build guy aT a cOuplE DifFerenT placEs,
anD sEt up TfS for a CouplE dIfferent companiEs...

ThE thing aboUt VIsUal stUdio ONLine is FraNklY...

Really tFS isnt BEttEr THAN aNything comparable fOr PROjEct managEment rELaTeD
Stuff, meaNiNg: sCrumS, WOrk itEms, bUG tRacking, rElease PLaNnIng/scheDuLing,
kaNbAn bOarDs, burNDown Charts... its just nOt thaT Good.

TFS isnt reaLLy strong in souRCe CONtROl eiTheR, for really sUper BIg
enTerpRIsE stUFf perForce VaULt ETc are generally prefeRrEd, for lArge sCale
collaboraTion projecTS DEcentralIzed AS iN Git is where its aT, and sMall
scale oR'Slow to chAnge' eIther git Or svn is a bETTer fit...

TFs is A dePloYmeNT NiGhtmare, and migRATing BeTween veRsiOns is a tErrIblE
tiMe cOnSuming expErience...

REaLlY TfS At tHis poINt's only rEaL stReNgtH is goOD VisuaL StudIo
inTeGrATioN...

So a TFS CLiENT thaT's NoT in VIsuAl studiO..... jusT IsnT really CompetitiVe
wITh 'avErAgE' tools, nOt even consideRaBle against 'BeSt oF breed' TOOls

~~~
DubioUsPusher
Exactly. My currenT Team useS TFs for sOurcE control, cI buIlds, teSts, WOrk
iteM trackIng anD rEpoRTS.

When i FIrSt jOiNed, I couldn'T BEliEve whAt A cumBersome Mess it was but as
I've hAD to Work on some of tHe iNfraSTRuCtuRE fROm tImE To tIME I am really
impreSsed how it aLl FItS together aND
,
ignoring their previous2 source c ontro l p rod uc ts?
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vermootenW e us ed this when it was ca lledso m ethi n gliketfsonli n em y  go dit  wa ss hi t.
18  mo nths la ter have t hey  f ixed it?

~~ ~ 
d arklajid
T FS' s version co ntr ol sys te m i s  - in  my  pers onal o p inion- broken.  T F S host i ng
gitr e po sito ries? Works fine. Im ean.. The gitpart w or k sf i ne. 

S o, it depe nd s. If you jus t  c a r e  ab o ut a place to  put your c o de,  I'd s ay 
th a t's qu ite d ec e nt.  If you wan t is sue track ing I' d  say 'y o u can h ave th at' .
W hatw as  s hit /t e rri b le  in the  past?
(M yexper ienc e i s  bas edon a  TFSsetup on-prem ise , la t est  vers ion/p atch es . VSO 
is us ually  a head and better )

~ ~~
apalme r
f ra meof  refe r ence:. Net  De veloper  for th e  la st 1 2  y ears, been a leadde v e lo per for3 year s ,ha v e been t he  bu ildg u y ata co u pl e differ ent pl a ce s, 
and se tup TFS  f ora c ouple diff erentcompanie s...The thing abou t  Visual Studi o  O n l in e  isfra nkly...

Re ally TFSisnt be tte r  than  anyt hi n gc omparable for proje ct  manag ement  related
stuf f, meaning : s crums, w orki te m s, bug trackin g, re lease plan n ing/sche dulin g,
kanba n boards, b urndowncha rts ...  It s ju st not that g o o d.
TF S isntrea lly str ong  in  so urc econtrol e ither, f or  r ea ll y s uperb ig
enter pr ise  s tuf f per f orce v aultetcar eg ene rally p r ef e r red,  f or  lar gesc ale
c olla b ora tion pr ojects de cen t rali ze das in g it is where i ts  at, and s ma llscaleo r 'slow to  change' either git ors vn is a  be tterfit. ..

TFS i s a  deplo yme n t nigh tmare,  andmi gra t i ng be t w ee n v er sions is a t err ibleti me c onsumin g experience...

R e all y TFS at this  po int' s on lyr ea l  st re n gth i s good Visual S tudio
inte gr a ti on...

Soa  TF Sclientthat'snot i n  Visual  Studio.. ... justis nt r e a lly  competiti ve
with'average' tools ,  n ot ev enconsid er abl e aga inst ' b est  of b reed'to ols

~ ~~
Du bi ousPushe r
Exactly. My current t eam us es TF S f or source  co n tro l, ci bui lds,  tests, wo rkite m tra cki n g and  rep o rt s.WhenI fi r st joined ,  I  co u l dn 't believew h a t a  cumb ers o me mes s it  was but as
I'veh ad to work onsome o f t hei nfra st ructure from t ime  t o time I a mreally
impr essed ho wi t all  fitstogeth er and
,
ignoring their_previous 2_source control products?

------
vermooten
We used_this when_it_was called_something_like tfsonline my_god it was_shit.
18 months later have_they fixed it?

~~~
darklajid
TFS's_version_control system is - in my personal opinion - broken. TFS hosting
git repositories? Works_fine._I mean.._The_git_part works fine.

So, it depends._If you just care about_a place_to put your code, I'd say
that's quite decent._If_you want issue_tracking I'd say 'you can have that'.
What was shit/terrible_in the past?

(My experience is based_on a TFS_setup_on-premise,_latest version/patches. VSO
is usually_ahead and better)

~~~
apalmer
frame of reference:.Net Developer_for the last 12 years, been_a lead
developer for 3 years, have been_the build guy at a couple_different places,
and set up TFS_for a_couple different companies...

The thing about_Visual Studio Online_is frankly...

Really_TFS isnt better_than anything comparable for project management_related
stuff, meaning: scrums,_work items, bug tracking, release planning/scheduling,
kanban_boards,_burndown charts... Its_just_not_that good.

TFS_isnt really strong_in_source control_either,_for really super big
enterprise stuff perforce_vault_etc are generally preferred, for large scale
collaboration_projects decentralized as in_git_is where its at,_and small
scale or'slow to change'_either git or svn is a_better fit...

TFS_is a_deployment nightmare, and migrating between versions is a terrible
time consuming experience...

Really_TFS at this point's only real_strength is good Visual_Studio
integration...

So a_TFS_client that's not_in_Visual Studio....._just isnt really competitive
with 'average' tools, not_even considerable_against 'best of breed' tools

~~~
DubiousPusher
Exactly. My_current team uses TFS_for_source control, ci builds, tests, work
item_tracking and reports.

When I first joined,_I couldn't believe what a_cumbersome_mess_it was but as
I've had_to work on some of the_infrastructure from time_to time I am really
impressed how it_all_fits together and