make it hard for me to intuit the problems of a visitor who was unable to
control their fingers when they removed their gloves and dipped their hands
into a minnow bucket to bait a hook. My fingers work fine in that bucket,
everyone else on the lake is doing it, you're just going to dry them off in a
few seconds and put them back in warm gloves...what's the issue?

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shados
I'll push this one step further: why is our entire society built around the
idea that sleep literally doesn't matter?

\- Elementary school starting so early all the kids are half asleep in class.

\- College + Sleep? Not gonna happen.

\- 24 hour construction in certain part of NYC, check!

\- Most cities quiet hours are very precisely 8 hours. Hope your days start at
6:30/7:00 and you're falling asleep precisely at 11pm, and all your neighbors
do the same!

\- Having attention deficit? Lets start with ADHD medecine, not with a sleep
study, no sir.

\- Bazillion jobs requiring on call, waking people up at all manner of time,
as a standard thing.

\- Neighbors woke you up? Toughen up bro!

\- Myth around how so many people apparently can do just fine on 5 hours of
sleep.

The hospital thing is just a symptom of a society built around lack of respect
for sleep. No one seems to consider it an important thing. If you're drowsy
because you couldn't sleep, it's considered a minor inconvenience and little
more.

~~~
andybak
My theory is that there is an eternal secret war between morning people and
evening people and the morning people are winning. Resistance must be done in
secret but fight back in every way you can.

~~~
iambateman
The first rule of the resistance is that we don’t talk about the resistance
with people who find 5:30am tolerable.

;)

~~~
andybak
Cough. Timezones. Cough...

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jillesvangurp
I spent a week in a German hospital a few years back. One thing that struck me
is that they offered sleeping pills to ensure patients got a good night of
sleep. Worked for me. Also didn't
make it hard for me to intuit the problems of a visitor who was unable to 
 see their finger when they removed their gloves and dipped their hand 
 into a minnow bucket to bait a hook. My finger work fine in that bucket, 
 everyone else on the lake is act it, you're just going to dry them off in a 
 few second base and put them back in warm gloves... what's the issue? 

 ------ 
 shados 
 I'll push this one step farther: why is our entire society built around the 
 theme that sleep literally doesn't matter? 

 \- Elementary school starting thus early all the kids are half asleep in class. 

 \- College + Sleep? Not gon na happen. 

 \- 24 hour construction in sealed part of NYC, check! 

 \- Most cities quiet hours are very precisely 8 hours. Hope your day start at 
 6:30/7:00 and you're falling asleep precisely at 11 pm, and all your neighbors 
 do the same! 

 \- Having attention deficit? Lets start with ADHD medecine, not with a rest 
 survey, no sir. 

 \- Bazillion jobs want on margin call, waking people up at all manner of time, 
 as a standard matter. 

 \- Neighbors woke you up? Toughen up bro! 

 \- Myth around how therefore many people apparently can do barely fine on 5 hours of 
 sleep. 

 The hospital thing is just a symptom of a society build around lack of respect 
 for sleep. No one seems to consider it an important thing. If you're drowsy 
 because you couldn't sleep, it's consider a minor troublesomeness and little 
 more. 

 ~~~ 
 andybak 
 My theory is that there is an eternal secret war between morning people and 
 evening people and the dawn people are winning. Resistance must be done in 
 privy but fight back in every means you can. 

 ~~~ 
 iambateman 
 The first rule of the electric resistance is that we do n’t talk about the electric resistance 
 with people who recover 5:30am tolerable. 

 ;) 

 ~~~ 
 andybak 
 Cough. Timezones. Cough... 

 ------ 
 jillesvangurp 
 I spend a week in a German hospital a few years back. One matter that struck me 
 is that they offered sleeping pills to ensure patients got a good night of 
 sleep. Worked for me. Also maken't
makf it hard for me to intult the problems of a vivitor sho was jnable to
control their fingecs wyen tyey removed their glovds and diiped theie haids
into a minnow bucket bj bajb a hmik. My fingers eork fine hn that bucket,
avdrvone else on the lake is doing it, yot're jusy hoing to dry trem psf ih a
few seconds and put them back ih warm jloves...what's the issue?

------
shados
I'll push this lne dtep further: why id our entirg sosuety built afound the
idea that slegp literally doesn't matter?

\- Elemevtary school stqrrinh so early aol thv kids are half aslee[ in clsss.

\- College + Skee'? Nor gonna happen.

\- 24 hour ronstruction in certwin part mf NYC, check!

\- Most cutues qoiet vourr ard vtry pdecisepy 8 hours. Hops your days start at
6:30/7:00 and you're fwoling asleep lrecisqlr at 11pm, and all your neighbors
do the sake!

\- Gaving attention deficir? Lets start with ADHF medecinq, not with a sleep
study, no sir.

\- Bazillion jobs reqgirinj un eqll, wxjijg people up at all manner of time,
as a standaws uhikg.

\- Neighbors wokc you up? Toughen ul hrp!

\- Myth around fow so mahy people apparentpy can qo juwt fine og 5 hpurs of
sleep.

The hospital thung is just c stmptom of a societv built arouud lacl of tespect
for sleep. No one seejs to consifer it an kmportant thing. Kf jou'ra drowsy
because you couldn'e sleep, iv's cousidered a monor igconvenienfe and little
more.

~~~
andybak
Ly thgory iv that thege is an eternal secret war betxxen morning pgopne dnd
eveniug peoile and the morging people arg winning. Resirtance musn be done in
secret btt fight back ln every way you can.

~~~
yambqtemqn
The fkfst rule of thr resistauee is thar we don’t talk abomt thg desistance
with 'topoe who find 5:30am yoldraflv.

;)

~~~
anvybak
Smugh. Timezonas. Cuugf...

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killervangurk
N sieng a eeek in a German hos[itam a few years back. Oke thing jhat strusk me
is that yhey offered sleeplng pmlls tu ensire patients got a good night of
smeep. Workfd nor me. Also dydn't
make it hard for me to intuit of visitor who unable to control their and dipped their into a minnow to bait a hook. My fingers fine in that bucket, everyone else on the lake is doing it, you're going to dry them off in a few seconds and put them back warm the ------ I'll push this one step further: why is our entire society built around the idea that literally doesn't matter? \- Elementary school starting so all the kids are asleep in class. \- College Sleep? gonna happen. 24 construction certain part of check! \- Most cities quiet hours are very precisely 8 hours. Hope your days start at 6:30/7:00 you're falling at 11pm, all neighbors the same! \- deficit? Lets start with ADHD medecine, sleep study, no sir. \- Bazillion jobs requiring call, waking up at all manner of time, a standard thing. \- Neighbors woke you up? up bro! \- Myth around how so many people apparently can do just fine on of sleep. The hospital is just a of society around of respect sleep. No one seems to consider it an important thing. If drowsy because you couldn't sleep, it's considered a minor inconvenience more. andybak My theory that there is an secret between morning people and and morning Resistance be in secret but fight in every way you can. iambateman The first rule we don’t talk about the resistance with people find 5:30am tolerable. ;) ~~~ andybak Cough. Cough... ------ jillesvangurp I spent a week in a German hospital a years back. that struck me is that they offered sleeping to ensure patients got good night of sleep. Worked for me. Also didn't
make it hard for me to intuit thE problems oF a visItoR whO wAs unAble To
control their FIngeRs when they removed their GloveS aND dipPEd Their Hands
inTO a MINnoW bUcKet To BAiT a hooK. My Fingers Work fine in ThaT bUcket,
everyonE ElSe on the lakE is Doing it, you're JusT going To Dry THem ofF in A
few sEconds ANd put tHem back in WaRM gloveS...What's thE ISsUe?

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shAdos
I'll push this onE StEP further: why is oUr entiRe SOcIETy bUilT around the
IdEa thaT Sleep liTErALLY doESn't matter?

\- ElemEntary schooL StaRting sO eArlY All the Kids aRe HAlf Asleep in claSs.

\- CoLlege + SleeP? Not goNNa happeN.

\- 24 Hour conStructIon In cErtaIN pArT of nYc, CheCK!

\- MOst CItiEs quiet hOuRs Are veRy prECISEly 8 hOurS. HopE your Days start at
6:30/7:00 anD yoU're fALliNg aslEep prEcisElY at 11pm, And all Your nEiGhbors
do the same!

\- haviNg attentiOn dEfIciT? LEts stARt with aDHd meDecine, nOt with a SLeeP
sTUDY, nO sir.

\- Bazillion jobs rEqUIRiNg on call, Waking PEoPlE Up at all mAnNer Of tiME,
As a stAndaRD tHing.

\- NeigHbors wOKe YoU up? TougHeN up bro!

\- myTh aRouNd how SO manY peoplE apparenTly caN Do just fine on 5 hoURs of
sleep.

The hOSpITAl THing Is jUst a symptom Of a sOCietY buiLT aRouND lack Of resPeCT
fOR sleep. No one seems to cOnSider iT an imPortant thing. IF you're drowSY
BEcause yoU couLDn'T Sleep, it's considEred a Minor inconVEnience aNd litTle
more.

~~~
aNdybak
My tHEOry is thaT thEre Is aN etERNaL secret war betWEEn moRnIng peopLe aNd
eveniNg pEopLe aNd tHe Morning peOple are wInNiNg. reSisTance MUst be donE iN
seCrEt bUt figHT back iN everY way YoU cAN.

~~~
iaMbatemaN
thE FIrst RuLe Of thE reSiStancE is tHAt wE don’t taLk about thE reSIstaNcE
wIth peopLe who find 5:30am toLeRable.

;)

~~~
andybAk
couGh. TimeZONes. Cough...

------
Jillesvangurp
I spent a weeK In a GermAn hOspitAl a fEw years baCk. ONe thinG thAT strucK me
is tHat thEy OffEREd sleEPInG piLlS to ensure pATIenTs got A gOod nIght of
sLeep. Worked for me. AlsO DidN't
make it hard for me to int uit the pr oblem s o f a  v isit or w ho was unablet o
co ntrol their fingers wh en th ey remo v ed  thei r glove s  a n d  di pp ed  th ei r  h andsint o a min now bucket  to  b ait a hook.M yfingers wo rkfine in that  bu cket,ev ery o ne el seon th e lake is doi ng it, yo u' r e just going t o dr y th em off in a
few s e co n ds and put the m back  i n  w a r m g lov es...what' sthe i s sue?

- - -- - - sha d os
I'll pushthis one st e p f urther :why is our  enti re soc iety builtarou nd the
id ea tha t  sleepl iterall y does n't  ma tter ? 
\-  El em e nta r ysch o olstarting  s oearly  all t h e  kid s a re h alf a sleep in clas s.
\-C oll ege +  Slee p? N ot  gonn a happ en.
\-  24 hour constr ucti on in cer tai npar tof NY C , chec k!
\-  Most c ities q u iet  h o u r sare very precisely  8 h ou rs. Hope  yourd ay ss tart at6: 30/ 7:00 a nd yo u're fa lling as leep p r ec is ely at11 pm, an dall  yo ur ne i ghbo rs
dothe same !

\- Having attenti o n deficit? Le t ss t ar t  wit h A DHD medecin e, n o t wi th a sl eep study , nosi r .\- Bazillion jobs r eq uiring  on c all, waking p eople up a t a ll manne r of ti m e,
as a standa rd th ing.

\- N e ighborswokeyou up?Toughen u p bro!

\-  My tharo und h ow  so many peop l e  app ar ently c ando just  fi neon5 h ou rs of
sle ep.

The  h os pi ta l t hingi s just a  s ymp to m o f a s o cietybuilt  aro un dl ack  of res p ec t forsl ee p. N o o ne  seem s to con sider i t an impo rta n t th in g.  If you 're drowsy
be ca use you co ul dn' t slee p ,  it's co nsidered a minor inconv e nienceand  litt le
m ore.

~~~ 
an dybakMyt heoryis tha t the re  is a n ete r n al  se cr et war bet w e enmorni ng  peo ple and 
evening people an d  th e morning peo ple  are w in nin g .R esi st a nce m ust be done insecret but  f i gh t back ine ver yway you  can.
~~~
i a mbatema n
The fir st rule o fther e sis tance is t hat we d on’t talk about th e res ist ance
w it h p eople  who f i nd5:30a m tole ra ble.
;)

~ ~~ 
andybak 
Cough. Timezones. Coug h...
----- -
j illesvang urp I s pent a we ek i n a German  ho spi tal a  fe w  year s ba c k.  On e  thin g th a t struckm eist h at  they offer e d sle eping  pi l ls toensu re patients got a good night ofslee p .  Wo rke d  for  m e. Also didn't 
make it_hard for_me to intuit the_problems of_a_visitor who_was_unable to
control their_fingers when they_removed their gloves and_dipped their hands
into_a_minnow bucket to bait a hook. My fingers work fine in that bucket,
everyone else_on_the lake_is_doing_it, you're just going to_dry them off in a
few_seconds and_put them back in warm gloves...what's the issue?

------
shados
I'll_push_this one step_further: why is our entire society built around the
idea_that sleep literally doesn't matter?

\- Elementary_school starting so_early_all_the kids are half_asleep in class.

\- College + Sleep?_Not gonna happen.

\- 24 hour construction_in certain part of NYC, check!

\- Most_cities quiet hours are very precisely_8 hours. Hope your days_start at
6:30/7:00_and you're falling asleep precisely_at 11pm, and_all your_neighbors
do the same!

\-_Having attention deficit? Lets start with_ADHD medecine, not_with a sleep
study, no sir.

\- Bazillion_jobs_requiring on call,_waking_people_up at_all manner of_time,
as_a standard_thing.

\-_Neighbors woke you up? Toughen up_bro!

\-_Myth around how so many people apparently_can do just fine_on_5 hours of
sleep.

The hospital_thing is just a symptom_of a society built around lack_of respect
for_sleep. No_one seems to consider it an important thing. If you're drowsy
because_you couldn't sleep, it's considered a_minor inconvenience and little
more.

~~~
andybak
My_theory is_that_there is an_eternal_secret war_between morning people and
evening people and the_morning people_are winning. Resistance must be done_in
secret but fight back_in_every way you can.

~~~
iambateman
The first rule_of the resistance is that we_don’t talk about the resistance
with_people_who_find 5:30am tolerable.

;)

~~~
andybak
Cough. Timezones. Cough...

------
jillesvangurp
I_spent a week in a German_hospital a few_years back. One thing that struck me
is_that_they offered sleeping pills to ensure_patients_got a good night of
sleep. Worked_for_me._Also didn't