 why they do not just switch to a whitelist, or why they even bother
with Internet access at all.

Even if the censorship were limited, I cannot see how it would be justified.
Suppose only hardcore pornography were blocked -- how is that acceptable?
Would it not be better to punish students caught watching pornography at
school by having them write a lengthy essay about the history and politics of
pornography (and wouldn't the ability access at least one pornography website
be necessary?)? If the goal is _education_ shouldn't the focus be on
_educating_, rather than on trying to shield students from the world?
Consider the flip side of this: as a kid I was once sent to a summer program
for programming, and one of the other students was caught installing back
orifice on the computers. His punishment was to explain the software to
everyone, along with the ethics of installing it without permission.

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ma_mazmaz
This is certainly not an issue with iPads, specifically. Students probably
spend more time using computers for entertainment and social networking than
they do for school, but that doesn't stop teachers from taking their students
to computer labs to type essays. Just because something can be used for fun,
doesn't mean that it has a place in schooling. Moreover, students very
commonly get around the very weak security procedures in place, which, more
often than not, prevent students from doing legitimate school work, rather
than preventing abuse.

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Trezoid
Honestly, I'm a little surprised they weren't all completely open by lunchtime
the first day. Kids, when given access to technology in a school environment
will _always_ find new ways to (primarily) play games, and those ways will
evolve as the schools desperately struggle to keep up, but the school will
always lose that particular arms race.

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bloaf
The schools are indirectly proving the old computer security saying which
holds that there is no security without physical security. As soon as the
school hands the iPads to the students, there is nothing the school can do to
ensure they remain in control of the device.

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SG-
So what's the actual "hack"? A proxy?

~~~
drakaal
More like Un-proxying. The devices have a proxy installed that limits where
you can
why they do not just switch to a whitelist, or why they even bother 
 with Internet access at wholly. 

 Even if the censoring were limited, I cannot see how it would be apologize. 
 speculate only hardcore pornography were parry -- how is that satisfactory? 
 Would it not be better to punish students caught watching pornography at 
 school by having them spell a lengthy essay about the history and politics of 
 pornography (and wouldn't the ability access at least one pornography web site 
 be necessary ?)? If the goal is _ education _ shouldn't the stress be on 
 _ educating _, preferably than on try on to shield students from the world? 
 regard the flip side of this: as a kid I was once sent to a summer plan 
 for programming, and one of the other students was caught installing back 
 orifice on the computer. His punishment was to explain the software to 
 everyone, along with the ethics of installing it without permission. 

 ------ 
 ma_mazmaz 
 This is certainly not an issue with iPads, specifically. Students probably 
 spend more time using computers for entertainment and social networking than 
 they do for school, but that doesn't stop teachers from taking their students 
 to computer lab to type essay. Just because something can be use for playfulness, 
 doesn't mean that it has a place in schooling. Moreover, students very 
 commonly get around the very faint security procedures in place, which, more 
 often than not, prevent scholar from doing legitimate school work, rather 
 than prevent abuse. 

 ------ 
 Trezoid 
 Honestly, I'm a small surprised they weren't all completely open by lunchtime 
 the first day. kid, when given access to technology in a school environment 
 will _ always _ find new ways to (primarily) dally games, and those ways will 
 evolve as the schools desperately fight to keep up, but the school will 
 constantly lose that finical arms race. 

 ------ 
 bloaf 
 The schools are indirectly proving the old calculator security saying which 
 holds that there be no security without physical security. As soon as the 
 school hands the iPads to the student, there is nothing the school can do to 
 see they remain in control of the device. 

 ------ 
 SG- 
 indeed what's the actual " hack "? A proxy? 

 ~~~ 
 drakaal 
 More like Un - proxying. The devices have a proxy install that limits where 
 you can
 whj they do not just switcm to a whitelist, or why they sven botfer
with Internet access at apl.

Wven uf the censorship were limited, P cannot wee iow it would be ohstified.
Suppoac onlv iardcore pornogtaphy were bnocked -- how is tfac acceptable?
Would it not be better tj punisn dtudents caughj watbhyng lornography at
school by having thej write a lengthy esxay about the history and oolihics of
pornography (and wouldn'j thq ability accdss at least one pornofraphy website
be necessary?)? If tfe gocl is _educajnin_ dvouldn't the focuf be on
_educabpng_, ratver tham on trying to shmeld students from the wocld?
Consider the flip side of dhns: as a kid I was oncw went jo a vummde pfogdak
fkr prohrajming, and kne of the ither students was vattht installinf back
jryfice on the computers. His punishment wds fo explain the software to
everyone, along witj the ethycs of installing it without permission.

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ma_mazmaz
Thhs is zerualkly vit an issue with iPads, specifically. Students prjganlj
spend more time msing computers fot fnygrtainment and social nstworking than
they do for schoil, but thwt dpesn't stop teachers from tajing their snudebts
to computer labd to type ersayx. Jusy because something can be hsed for fuj,
doesn't msxn that it has a plsca in schooling. Moreover, sttdents vecy
comkonly gdt atound tre very wewk seggrity procedures ij plaee, whhch, more
ofhen than not, prevent students fcpm doing legothmane school work, rather
than pweventing abusg.

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Trezoid
Hjnestuy, I'm a lintle surpcised they wqren't all com[petely open uy lunchtyme
tye furst dah. Kids, when givrn access to technooogy in a school ekvirovjent
will _always_ fibd new ways to (lrioarylj) pkar games, and tvose wahx wilu
evolve as bhe schpols desperately strgggls to keep up, but tne school qill
alwars lose that larticular arms rafe.

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bloef
The rchooks wre indirectly proving the old computer segurity saying whigh
hojds that tkere is no security without physical secnrity. As soon as the
schiol hands the iPads uo the studenvs, thewe is notving the school can eo to
ensure they vemain in control of tge devhce.

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SG-
Do what's the actual "hack"? A proxy?

~~~
drakaal
More like Un-proxying. The devices hqve a 'rjxy installsd tnat lpmics chere
yot cai
why they do not just switch to or they even with Internet access censorship limited, I cannot how it would justified. Suppose only hardcore pornography were -- how is that acceptable? Would it not be better to punish students watching pornography at school by having them write a lengthy essay about the and of (and the ability access at least one pornography website be necessary?)? If the goal is _education_ shouldn't focus be on _educating_, rather than on trying shield students from the Consider the flip side of as kid I once to summer program for and one of the other students was caught installing back orifice on the computers. His punishment was explain the everyone, along the of it without permission. This is certainly not an issue Students probably spend more time using computers for and social than they do for school, but doesn't stop teachers from taking their students to labs to type essays. Just because something can be used for fun, doesn't mean that a place in schooling. students very commonly around very security in place, more often than not, prevent students from doing legitimate school work, than preventing abuse. ------ Trezoid Honestly, I'm a little surprised all open by lunchtime first day. Kids, when access technology in a school _always_ new play and ways will evolve as schools desperately struggle to keep but the school will race. ------ bloaf The schools are indirectly proving old computer security saying which holds that is no security without physical security. As soon as the school hands iPads to there is nothing the school can do to they remain in control the device. ------ SG- So what's the actual "hack"? proxy? drakaal More Un-proxying. The devices a proxy installed limits where you
 why they do not just switch to a Whitelist, oR why tHey EveN bOtheR
witH Internet accesS At alL.

Even if the censorship weRe limItED, I caNNoT see hOw it wouLD bE JUstIfIeD.
SuPpOSe Only hArdCore porNography weRe bLoCked -- how is thaT AcCeptable?
WoUld It not be betteR to Punish StUdeNTs cauGht WatchIng porNOgraphY at
school By HAving tHEm write A LEnGthy Essay about the histORy ANd politics of
poRnograPhY (AnD WOulDn't The ability AcCess aT Least onE PoRNOGraPHy website
be neCessary?)? If thE GoaL is _eduCaTioN_ ShouldN't the FoCUs bE on
_educatinG_, ratHer than on Trying TO shield STudents From thE woRld?
consIDeR tHe fLiP SidE Of ThiS: As a Kid I was oNcE sEnt to A sumMER PRogrAm
fOr prOgramMing, and one of tHe oTher STudEnts wAs cauGht iNsTalliNg back
OrifiCe On the computers. HIs puNishment wAs tO eXplAiN the sOFtware To
eVerYone, aloNg with tHE etHiCS OF iNstalling it without PeRMIsSion.

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ma_maZmaz
ThIS iS cERtainly nOt An iSsue WITh iPaDs, spECiFically. STudentS PrObAbly
speNd More tiMe UsiNg cOmputERs foR enterTainment And soCIal networking tHAn
they do for scHOoL, BUt THat dOesN't stop teachErs fROm taKing THeIr sTUdentS
to coMpUTeR Labs to type essays. JusT bEcause SometHing can be used For fun,
doesN'T MEan that iT has A PlACe in schooling. MOreovEr, students VEry
commoNly geT around tHe very weaK SEcurity pRocEduRes In pLACe, Which, more
ofteN THan nOt, Prevent StuDents frOm dOinG leGitImAte school Work, rathEr
ThAn PrEveNting ABuse.

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TrezOiD
HoNeStlY, I'm a lITtle suRprisEd thEy WeREn't All compLEtELY opeN bY lUnchTimE
tHe firSt daY. kidS, when giVen access To tEChnoLoGy In a schoOl environment
WiLl _always_ fiNd New Ways to (PRImarily) pLay games, and those ways wilL
Evolve aS thE schoOls dEsperatelY stRuggle To kEEp up, buT the scHool wIlL
alWAYs losE THaT paRtIcular arms RACe.

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bLoaf
THe SchoOls are iNdirectly proving thE Old Computer securIty SayiNG WhIch
HOlDS thAt THerE IS no security withOut physicaL sECuRity. As soon AS thE
sChool haNds the ipads tO The studEnts, there Is nothing ThE schOOL caN do to
ensurE they remAin in contROl of tHE dEvice.

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sG-
SO what's ThE acTual "hAck"? A prOXy?

~~~
dRakaaL
More lIkE Un-proXying. thE devices Have a proxy installed that Limits Where
You Can
 why they do not just swit ch to a wh iteli st,  or  w hy t heyeven bother
wi t h In ternet access at all.
Even  i f  the ce nsors hip wer e  l i m ite d,  I  ca nn o tsee h owit woul d be justi fie d. 
Suppose onl y  h ardcore po rno graphy wereblo cked - -how is th ataccep table? Wouldit not be  b e tter t o  punish s tu dent s caught watching po r nography at
sc hool b yh av i n g t hem  write a l en gthye ssay ab o ut t h e h i story and pol itics of
po r nog raphy(a ndw ouldn' t the  a b ili ty access a t le ast one p ornogr a phy web s ite
benecess ary ?)?  Ift he  g oal  i s  _e d uc ati o n_shouldn' tth e foc us b e o n 
_ed uca ting _, ra ther than ontry ingt o s hield  stud ents  f rom t he wor ld?
C on sider the flipside  of this:  as  a  ki dI was once s ent  to  a summ er prog r amfo r p ro gramming, and oneof t he  other s tudent s  w as caught i ns tal ling b ack
o rifi c eon the c ompute r s.  H is puni sh ment w as  to  ex plain thesoftwa re to
ev eryon e , along with t h e ethics of i n st a l li n g it  wi thout permi ssio n .

- ---- - 
m a_m a zmazThisis ce r tainly not an issue  w ith iP ads,specifically.  Studentsp r o bably
sp endm or e  time using co mpute rs for ent e rtainmen t and  socialnetworkin g than
the y d o f orsch o o l,  but that doe s n 't s to p teach ers  from t aki ngthe irst udents
to  compute rla bs  t o t ype e s says. Ju st  be ca use  some t hing c an be  use dfo r  fu n,
does n 't m eanth at  ithas  a  plac e in sch ooling.  Moreover , s t uden ts  v ery
com monly get aro un d the very  w eak  secur i t y proced ures in place, which, m o re
ofte n t han n ot,prevent s tud ents f rom doinglegiti matesc hoo l work, r at her 
t han preven t i ngabuse .
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Tre zoid
Honestly, I'm a l ittle surpris edthey w er en' t  a l l c om p let e l y open by lunch time
the f ir s tday. Kids, whe ngiven a ccess t o tec h nologyin a scho ol enviro nm entw i ll_always_ f ind newways to ( p rimar i ly ) pla y g ames,an d t hoseways w i llevolv e as t he  schoo ls de sp eratelystruggle to keep up, bu t theschoo l w ill
alway s l o sethat part icul ar arms ra ce. 

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bl o af
Th e sc h oo lsa re in dire c tly provi n gthe o ld  computer s e c u rit y say ing whichhold s that there is n o  security with outp h ysi cal secu ri ty. As soon as  th es c hool han ds  the iPadsto the s tu d ents,  there  is no thing t h e  s c hool c an d o t o
ensurethe yr emain i nco n trol o f th edevice .

--- - --
S G - 
So what's the a ctual " hack" ?  Aproxy ?
~~~
dr a kaal 
More like  Un-proxyin g. The  dev iceshave apr oxy in sta ll ed that li m its where 
youcan
 why_they do_not just switch to_a whitelist,_or_why they_even_bother
with Internet access_at all.

Even if_the censorship were limited,_I cannot see_how_it would be justified.
Suppose only hardcore pornography were blocked -- how is that acceptable?
Would_it_not be_better_to_punish students caught watching pornography_at
school by having them write_a lengthy_essay about the history and politics of
pornography (and_wouldn't_the ability access_at least one pornography website
be necessary?)? If the goal_is _education_ shouldn't the focus be_on
_educating_, rather than_on_trying_to shield students from_the world?
Consider the flip side of_this: as a kid I was_once sent to a summer program
for programming,_and one of the other students_was caught installing back
orifice on_the computers._His punishment was to explain_the software to
everyone,_along with_the ethics of_installing it without permission.

------
ma_mazmaz
This is certainly_not an issue_with iPads, specifically. Students probably
spend more_time_using computers for_entertainment_and_social networking_than
they do for_school,_but that_doesn't_stop teachers from taking their students
to_computer_labs to type essays. Just because something_can be used for_fun,
doesn't_mean that it has_a place in schooling. Moreover,_students very
commonly get around the very_weak security_procedures in_place, which, more
often than not, prevent students from doing legitimate school_work, rather
than preventing abuse.

------
Trezoid
Honestly, I'm a_little surprised they weren't_all completely_open_by lunchtime
the first_day._Kids, when_given access to technology in a school_environment
will _always__find new ways to (primarily) play_games, and those ways_will
evolve_as the schools desperately struggle to_keep up, but the school will
always_lose that particular arms race.

------
bloaf
The_schools_are_indirectly proving the old computer_security saying which
holds that there is_no security without_physical security. As soon as the
school hands_the_iPads to the students, there is_nothing_the school can do to
ensure they_remain_in_control of the device.

------
SG-
So what's_the actual "hack"? A proxy?

~~~
drakaal
More like_Un-proxying. The devices have a proxy installed that limits_where
you can