ored buildings and the underground spaces beneath them. In
particular, the breweries in the area used to lager their beer in manmade
caverns that they cooled with water from the river when it was cold enough.

In the context of the article I make the recommendation with some
reservations. You can spin it as poverty voyeurism or gentrification if that's
your thing, but it also offers a glimpse into how things were when the area
was a vibrant community. It also offers a peek into historical infrastructure
(well, insofar as you can consider the aging and moving of beer
infrastructure) when it was still more economic to chill beer with cold river
water than electricity.

Not affiliated, but I did take the tour a couple years ago.

[http://www.americanlegacytours.com/queen-city-
underground/](http://www.americanlegacytours.com/queen-city-underground/)

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ececconi
Never knew Over the Rhine used to be the nation's most dangerous neighborhood.
I'm on a consulting assignment here in Cinci and I go there all the time for
trendy food and bars. Yes it does have pockets where I'm a bit scared to walk
at night, but not enough so that I don't.

~~~
mywittyname
If you were here even as recently as 2010, you'd have been scared to _drive_
in OTR in broad daylight. This isn't an exaggeration at all. Attempted car
jackings were pretty common.

~~~
dionidium
That's an exaggeration. These "most dangerous" designations are pretty
meaningless, anyway. Neighborhoods can be dangerous for many reasons, in many
different ways, and for different people, at different times of day, dependent
on context.

All but the most careful comparisons are suspect.

~~~
ececconi
You can say the same thing about almost any other kind of comparison that's
not strictly numeric. Fact of the matter is, people make comparisons and
they're valid for many reasons.

~~~
dionidium
_You can say the same thing about almost any other kind of comparison that's
not strictly numeric._

That's an argument against making similar comparisons in other domains, too;
you're supporting my claim
ored buildings and the underground spaces beneath them. In 
 particular, the brewery in the sphere practice to lager their beer in manmade 
 caverns that they cooled with water system from the river when it was cold enough. 

 In the context of the article I make the recommendation with some 
 reservations. You can whirl it as poverty voyeurism or gentrification if that's 
 your thing, but it also offers a glance into how thing were when the area 
 was a vibrant residential district. It also offers a peek into historical infrastructure 
 (well, insofar as you can consider the ripening and moving of beer 
 infrastructure) when it was still more economic to cool beer with cold river 
 water than electricity. 

 Not affiliated, but I did learn the tour a couple years ago. 

 [ http://www.americanlegacytours.com/queen-city- 
 underground/](http://www.americanlegacytours.com / queen - city - underground/) 

 ------ 
 ececconi 
 Never know Over the Rhine used to be the nation's most dangerous neighborhood. 
 I'm on a consulting grant here in Cinci and I go there all the time for 
 trendy food and bars. Yes it does have pockets where I'm a moment scared to walk 
 at night, but not enough so that I don't. 

 ~~~ 
 mywittyname 
 If you were here even as recently as 2010, you'd have been scared to _ tug _ 
 in OTR in broad daylight. This isn't an exaggeration at all. Attempted car 
 jackings were pretty common. 

 ~~~ 
 dionidium 
 That's an exaggeration. These " most dangerous " appellation are pretty 
 meaningless, anyway. Neighborhoods can be dangerous for many reason, in many 
 unlike ways, and for different people, at different times of day, dependent 
 on context. 

 All but the most careful comparison are suspect. 

 ~~~ 
 ececconi 
 You can say the same thing about almost any other kind of comparison that's 
 not rigorously numeric. Fact of the matter is, people make comparisons and 
 they're valid for many reasons. 

 ~~~ 
 dionidium 
 _ You can say the like matter about about any other kind of comparison that's 
 not strictly numeric. _ 

 That's an argument against making similar comparisons in other domain, too; 
 you're supporting my claim
oref buildings and the undevground spaces bgnwath tiem. In
pzrticulaf, the breweries in the area nsed to lqger their beer in manoade
caverjs that rhey xooled witi water nxom tgc rivzr when it was cpld enough.

Hn the context ow che article I make the recommendatiog with xole
reservations. You san aiik it as poverty voyeurism or genfrificauion if that's
your yhing, but it also offers a glilpse into how thinhs were wheb thq area
was a vkbrant community. It alao offers a peek into historicau infxastructure
(qeol, ltsofar as yiu cag consider tmv aging and mofing of beer
innrastcuctyre) when it was still more economic to shill bees cith cold river
water rhqn elgctriwity.

Vit xffjlmatsd, but I vid take ths tour a coyple years ago.

[http://wew.wnericanlegacyfours.cjm/zueen-city-
underground/](http://www.americanlegabytohrs.com/queen-city-undergroynd/)

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ececconi
Never knew Over the Rhine used to be the nation's most dangerous neigvborhkud.
I'n jv a consulting assignment here in Cinci and I go fhtre all the time nor
trendy food and bwrx. Yes it does fave pocksts where I'm a bit scared to wqlk
at nigrt, bit not enough so that I don'r.

~~~
mywittyname
Pf yiu were here even cs recently cs 2010, yoo'd havr been scared to _drive_
iu OTR jn broad dajlight. Thjr isn't an exaggefatpon dt all. Augempted car
jackinds were pcetty common.

~~~
aionodium
Trat's an exwggeration. These "most dajgeroos" deshgnations wre pretty
meaningless, anyway. Nemjhborhoods cam te gangerouf for many reasons, in many
differgnt ways, cnd fof differenn people, et different times of day, fependent
on rontext.

Alj bur thw most zxreful comparixons are suspect.

~~~
ecexconi
You can say tme saos thing about aomowt any other kimd uf solperisog that's
not stsictuy vimeriz. Fact of tme oattrr is, people make cokparjsons and
they're vakiq for maby reasogs.

~~~
dionidium
_Yoi can say the same thinj abouv almoxt wny other kind of comparison tgat's
not shrigtly numeric._

Trat's an argument against making similar comparisons in ither domains, too;
iou're supporting my cksim
ored buildings and the underground spaces beneath particular, breweries in area used to caverns they cooled with from the river it was cold enough. In the of the article I make the recommendation with some reservations. You can spin as poverty voyeurism or gentrification if that's your thing, but it also offers glimpse how were the area was a vibrant community. It also offers a peek into historical infrastructure (well, insofar you can consider the aging and moving of infrastructure) when it was more economic to chill beer cold water than Not but did take the a couple years ago. [http://www.americanlegacytours.com/queen-city- underground/](http://www.americanlegacytours.com/queen-city-underground/) ------ ececconi Never knew Over the Rhine used to be the most dangerous on a assignment in and I go the time for trendy food and does have pockets where I'm a bit scared walk at but not enough so that I ~~~ mywittyname If you were here even as as 2010, you'd have been scared to _drive_ in OTR in broad daylight. This isn't at all. Attempted car were pretty common. dionidium an These dangerous" designations pretty meaningless, anyway. Neighborhoods can be dangerous for many reasons, in different ways, and for different people, at different times of on All but the careful comparisons are suspect. ececconi can say the same almost other that's strictly Fact of the matter people make comparisons and they're for many reasons. ~~~ same thing about almost any other kind of that's not strictly numeric._ That's an argument making similar comparisons in other domains, too; you're supporting my claim
ored buildings and the undergRound spaceS beneAth TheM. IN
parTicuLar, the brewerieS In thE area used to lager their bEer in MaNMade
CAvErns tHat they COoLED wiTh WaTer FrOM tHe rivEr wHen it waS cold enougH.

In ThE context of thE ArTicle I make The RecommendatiOn wIth somE
rEseRVatioNs. YOu can Spin it AS poverTy voyeuriSm OR gentrIFicatioN IF tHat's
Your thing, but it alsO OfFErs a glimpse intO how thInGS wERE whEn tHe area
was a ViBrant COmmunitY. it ALSO ofFErs a peek into hIstorical inFRasTructuRe
(WelL, InsofaR as yoU cAN coNsider the agIng aNd moving oF beer
iNFrastruCTure) wheN it was StiLl mOre eCOnOmIc tO cHIll BEeR wiTH coLd river
wAtEr Than eLectRICITy.

NoT afFiliAted, bUt I did take the TouR a coUPle Years Ago.

[htTp://wwW.aMericAnlegaCytouRs.Com/queen-city-
undErgrOund/](http://wWw.aMeRicAnLegacYTours.cOm/qUeeN-city-unDergrouND/)

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ecEcCONI
NEver knew Over the RhiNe USEd To be the nAtion's MOsT dANgerous nEiGhbOrhoOD.
i'm on a ConsULtIng assigNment hERe In cinci anD I Go therE aLl tHe tIme foR
TrenDy food And bars. YEs it dOEs have pockets wHEre I'm a bit scarED tO WAlK
At niGht, But not enougH so tHAt I dOn't.

~~~
mYWiTtyNAme
If You weRe HErE Even as recently as 2010, you'D hAve beeN scarEd to _drive_
in OTr in broad daYLIGht. This iSn't aN ExAGgeration at all. attemPted car
jacKIngs were PrettY common.

~~~
dIonidium
THAT's an exagGerAtiOn. THesE "MOsT dangerous" desIGNatiOnS are preTty
MeaningLesS, anYwaY. NeIgHborhoods Can be danGeRoUs FoR maNy reaSOns, in manY
dIffErEnt Ways, aND for diFfereNt peOpLe, AT diFferent TImES Of daY, dEpEndeNt
oN cOntexT.

All BUt tHe most cAreful comParISons ArE sUspect.

~~~
eCecconi
You can SaY the same thInG abOut almOST any otheR kind of comparison that's
nOT strictLy nUmeriC. FacT of the matTer Is, peopLe mAKe compArisonS and
tHeY're VALid foR MAnY reAsOns.

~~~
dionidiUM
_you Can saY tHe saMe thing About almost any otheR KinD of comparison ThaT's
noT STrIctLY nUMerIc._

tHat'S AN argument againsT making simIlAR cOmparisons IN otHeR domainS, too;
you'Re supPOrting mY claim
ored buildings and the und erground s paces  be nea th  the m. I n
particular,t he b reweries in the area u sed t ol ager th eir b eer inm an m a deca ve rns  t h at  they  co oled wi th water f rom  t he river whe n  i t was cold  en ough.

In th e c ontext  o f t h e art icl e I m ake th e  recom mendation  w i th som e 
reserv a t io ns.You can spin it a s  p o verty voyeuris m or g en t ri f i cat ion  if that's 
y our t h ing, bu t  i t a lso offers a glim pse into ho w  th ings w er e w h en the  area 
w a s a  vibrant co mmun ity. It a lso of f ers a p e ek into  histo ric alinfr a st ru ctu re (we l l,  in s ofa r as you  c an  cons ider t h e  agi ngandmovin g of beer
inf ras truc t ure ) whe n itwasst ill m ore ec onomi cto chill beer w ithcold rive r
w at erth an el e ctrici ty. 

N ot affi liated, but  I d i dtake the tour a co up l e  y ears ago .

[ht t p: // w ww.ameri ca nle gacy t o urs.c om/q u ee n-city-underg r ou nd /](http :/ /www.a me ric anl egacy t ours .com/q ueen-cit y-und e rground/)

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ececconi
N e ve r kn e w Ov erthe Rhine u sedt o be  the na tio n 's mo st da ng e ro u s neighborhood.
I'm  o n a co nsult ing assignmen t here inC i n ci and I  got he r e all the time  fortrendy foo d  and bar s. Ye s it doe s have po c k ets wher e I 'ma b its c ar ed to walk
at n ight ,but not  en ough so  th atI d on' t. 

~~~
myw ittyname 
I fyo uwer e her e  even as  r ece nt lyas 20 1 0, you 'd ha ve b ee ns car ed to _ d ri v e _
in  O TR  inbro ad  dayl ight .  Th is isn' t an exag ger a tion  a tall. At tempted car
j ac kings were  p ret ty com m o n.

~~~dionidium
That's an exa g geratio n.These  "mo st danger ous " desi gna t ions a re pre tty
m ea nin g l ess,a n yw ay.  N eighborhoo d s  ca n beda nger ous for  many reasons, inm any 
different wa ys,  and f or  di f fe r ent  p e opl e ,  at different t imes of da y, de pendent
on con te xt.

Al l but t he mo s t caref ul compar isons are  s uspe c t .
~~~
ececco ni
You c an say th e  same th ing a bou t almo st  an y oth er kin d  of  comp arison  t hat'snot s tr ictly nu meric. Fact of the matt er is,  peop lemake comp ari s ons  and
they 'revalid forman y r eason s.~~~
d ioni d iu m
_ Y ou ca n sa y  the same th ing a bo ut almost a n y oth er ki ndo f comp aris on that's
not str i ctly numeric._ 

Th a t 'sana rgum en t against maki ngsi m i lar comp ar isons in ot her doma in s , too ;
you' re sup porting m yc laim
ored buildings_and the_underground spaces beneath them._In
particular, the_breweries_in the_area_used to lager_their beer in_manmade
caverns that they cooled_with water from_the_river when it was cold enough.

In the context of the article I make the_recommendation_with some
reservations._You_can_spin it as poverty voyeurism_or gentrification if that's
your thing,_but it_also offers a glimpse into how things were_when_the area
was a_vibrant community. It also offers a peek into historical_infrastructure
(well, insofar as you can consider_the aging and_moving_of_beer
infrastructure) when it was_still more economic to chill beer_with cold river
water than electricity.

Not affiliated,_but I did take the tour a_couple years ago.

[http://www.americanlegacytours.com/queen-city-
underground/](http://www.americanlegacytours.com/queen-city-underground/)

------
ececconi
Never knew Over the_Rhine used to be the_nation's most_dangerous neighborhood.
I'm on a consulting_assignment here in_Cinci and_I go there_all the time for
trendy food and_bars. Yes it_does have pockets where I'm a_bit_scared to walk
at_night,_but_not enough_so that I_don't.

~~~
mywittyname
If_you were_here_even as recently as 2010, you'd_have_been scared to _drive_
in OTR in broad_daylight. This isn't an_exaggeration_at all. Attempted car
jackings_were pretty common.

~~~
dionidium
That's an exaggeration._These "most dangerous" designations are pretty
meaningless,_anyway. Neighborhoods_can be_dangerous for many reasons, in many
different ways, and for different people,_at different times of day, dependent
on_context.

All but the most_careful comparisons_are_suspect.

~~~
ececconi
You can say_the_same thing_about almost any other kind of comparison_that's
not strictly_numeric. Fact of the matter is,_people make comparisons and
they're_valid_for many reasons.

~~~
dionidium
_You can say the_same thing about almost any other_kind of comparison that's
not strictly_numeric._

That's_an_argument against making similar comparisons_in other domains, too;
you're supporting my_claim