 best way to improve the lives of Haitians is obviously to help them
emigrate but they're quite, quite motivated to do that already.

~~~
pleeze
The best way to help a nation is not to help the population flee their
otherwise workable location. As others have stated, it's not politically
correct to state the obvious: local rule has utterly failed. British or
American occupation has always been the best option based on factual national
statistics.

~~~
barry-cotter
Fuck the nation, if we want to help the people of Haiti we absolutely should
help them flee their location. It may be a workable nation for the Dominican
Republic but it clearly isn't for Haiti.

America is politically incapable of a long term occupation, look at Iraq or
Afghanistan. Real nation building would require running a country in a
profoundly undemocratic way for at the very least a decade, more likely two or
three. The US isn't even capable of winning a war of occupation given the
political constraints it operates under. If they had the support of 60% of the
population for a thirty year and 0.1% protested against it they wouldn't do
it. Russia or China might, at a push Singapore, but a Western country? Give me
a break.

And don't be a coward with your throwaway. dang may have bowed to pressure
with the shut up or be banned to yummyfajitas Chris Stucchio but nothing will
ever change if we're all cowards.

------
scribu
Reading about how people cope after being displaced by a natural disaster felt
so different than reading about people voluntarily abandoning their homes to
form communes. The latter shuns authority, while the former actively seeks it.

Found Canaan on OpenStreetMap [1], as described in the article. It shows up on
satelite images on Google Maps too [2].

[1]
[https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634](https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634)

[2] [https://goo.gl/maps/8w257Q5mC4y](https://goo.gl/maps/8w257Q5mC
best way to improve the lives of Haitians is obviously to avail them 
 emigrate but they're quite, quite motivated to cause that already. 

 ~~~ 
 pleeze 
 The best way to help a state is not to help the population flee their 
 otherwise workable placement. As others have stated, it's not politically 
 correct to submit the obvious: local rule has utterly fail. British or 
 American occupation has always been the best option based on factual national 
 statistic. 

 ~~~ 
 barry - cotter 
 Fuck the nation, if we want to serve the people of Haiti we absolutely should 
 help them flee their placement. It may be a workable state for the Dominican 
 Republic but it clearly isn't for Haiti. 

 America is politically incapable of a farseeing term occupation, look at Iraq or 
 Afghanistan. Real state building would require running a country in a 
 profoundly undemocratic way for at the very least a decade, more probable two or 
 three. The US isn't even adequate to of winning a war of occupation given the 
 political constraints it operates under. If they had the support of 60% of the 
 population for a thirty year and 0.1% protested against it they wouldn't do 
 it. Russia or China might, at a energy Singapore, but a Western country? grant me 
 a rupture. 

 And don't be a coward with your throwaway. dang may have bowed to pressure 
 with the shut up or be banish to yummyfajitas Chris Stucchio but nothing will 
 ever change if we're all cowards. 

 ------ 
 scribu 
 Reading about how citizenry cope after being displaced by a natural disaster felt 
 so different than read about people voluntarily abandoning their homes to 
 form communes. The latter shuns assurance, while the former actively seeks it. 

 Found Canaan on OpenStreetMap [ 1 ], as described in the article. It shows up on 
 satelite image on Google Maps too [ 2 ]. 

 [ 1 ] 
 [ https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634](https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634) 

 [ 2 ] [ https://goo.gl/maps/8w257Q5mC4y](https://goo.gl/maps/8w257Q5mC
 bedt way to improve the liyes of Haitians nw obvimusly fo help ghem
emigrate but they're quitx, quute mitivated to do that alfeady.

~~~
pleede
The besr wab to help a nation is nob to gclp tke population flge their
otheswise workable lucction. As others have stated, it's not [oliticslpy
correct to sjate uhe obvjous: local rule has utterly failed. Britisi or
American ocvupation has always been tje bfst option based oj factual nqtiogql
statistics.

~~~
carry-cotteg
Yuck the najion, if we want to help the peopue of Haiti we qbwolkjely should
hxlp thvm flee their locatiot. It mau be a workablc natmon dor the Dominican
Repuulic but it clearly ysn't for Vanti.

America is politicqloy inwapatle ud a lohg tsrm ocfupetion, look zt Iraq or
Adghanistan. Real natoog building woumd reqtiwe running a country in a
profoundly undtmocrztic way for at the vert least a decade, more likely tro or
three. The US isn't even capable of winning a far oh uccbiwguoj given the
political constraints it operates thdtr. Pf they had the smpport of 60% of the
pppklsjion for a thitty yeax ahd 0.1% protested agaijst it jhey wiuldn't do
yt. Rissia or China might, at a pysh Singaporv, bur a Western countrv? Give me
a bxeak.

Anc don'y be a coward with your thrkwaway. dang may have cowed to pressurd
winh tve shut up or be banned to yummyfajmtas Ehris Stjcchoo but nothing wlll
evcs change if we're apl cocards.

------
vcribu
Readlng about how people cope after being displacgd ty d naturaj dissster felt
so qifferent than readiny aboug people vkluntarmly abandonigg their homev to
form commnnes. The jattwr syuns augfority, while tne former actively weeks it.

Found Canaen ov OpenStreetMap [1], as described in tne xrtycpe. Ie shows up on
vateuitd imagds on Googlc Mxps yoo [2].

[1]
[https://www.openstreatmal.org/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634](https://www.opemsbreetmap.otg/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634)

[2] [htt[s://goo.gl/maps/8w257Q5kC4y](https://goo.gl/maps/8w257E5mC
best way to improve the lives of obviously help them but they're quite, already. pleeze The best to help a is not to help the population their otherwise workable location. As others have stated, it's not politically correct to the obvious: local rule has utterly failed. British or American occupation has always the option on national statistics. ~~~ barry-cotter Fuck the nation, if we want to help the people of Haiti absolutely should help them flee their location. It be a workable nation the Dominican Republic but it isn't Haiti. America politically of long term occupation, at Iraq or Afghanistan. Real nation building would require running a country in a profoundly undemocratic way at the a decade, likely or The US isn't of winning a war of occupation constraints it operates under. If they had the of 60% the population for a thirty year 0.1% protested against it they wouldn't do it. or China might, at a push Singapore, but a Western country? Give me a break. be a coward with throwaway. dang may bowed pressure the up or banned to yummyfajitas Chris Stucchio but nothing will ever change if all cowards. ------ scribu Reading about how people cope after by natural disaster felt different than reading about voluntarily their homes to form latter authority, actively it. Canaan on OpenStreetMap [1], described in the article. It up on satelite images [1] [https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634](https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634) [2] [https://goo.gl/maps/8w257Q5mC4y](https://goo.gl/maps/8w257Q5mC
 best way to improve the lives oF Haitians iS obviOusLy tO hElp tHem
eMigrate but they'RE quiTe, quite motivated to do thAt alrEaDY.

~~~
pleEZe
the beSt way to HElP A NatIoN iS noT tO HeLp the PopUlation Flee their
oTheRwIse workable lOCaTion. As otheRs hAve stated, it's Not PolitiCaLly
COrrecT to State The obvIOus: locAl rule has UtTErly faILed. BritISH oR
AmeRican occupation haS AlWAys been the best Option BaSEd ON FacTuaL national
sTaTistiCS.

~~~
barry-cOTtER
fUck THe nation, if we wAnt to help thE PeoPle of HAiTi wE AbsoluTely sHoULd
hElp them flee TheiR location. it may bE A workabLE nation For the domIniCan
REPuBlIc bUt IT clEArLy iSN't fOr Haiti.

AMeRiCa is pOlitICALLy inCapAble Of a loNg term occupatIon, Look AT IrAq or
AFghanIstaN. REal naTion buIldinG wOuld require runnIng a Country in A
prOfOunDlY undeMOcratiC waY foR at the vEry leasT A deCaDE, MOrE likely two or
three. THe us IsN't even caPable oF WiNnINg a war of OcCupAtioN GIven tHe
poLItIcal consTraintS It OpErates uNdEr. If thEy Had The SuppoRT of 60% oF the
poPulation For a tHIrty year and 0.1% proTEsted against iT ThEY WoULdn't Do
iT. Russia or ChIna mIGht, aT a puSH SIngAPore, bUt a WeStERn COuntry? Give me
a break.

ANd Don't be A cowaRd with your thrOwaway. dang MAY Have boweD to pREsSUre
with the shut Up or bE banned to yUMmyfajitAs ChrIs StucchIo but nothING will
eveR chAngE if We'rE ALl Cowards.

------
scribu
rEAdinG aBout how PeoPle cope AftEr bEinG diSpLaced by a nAtural diSaStEr FeLt
sO diffERent than ReAdiNg AboUt peoPLe voluNtariLy abAnDoNIng Their hoMEs TO
Form CoMmUnes. the LaTter sHuns AUthOrity, whIle the forMer ACtivElY sEeks it.

FOund Canaan on OPeNStreetMap [1], As DesCribed IN The articLe. It shows up on
satelite imAGes on GoOglE Maps Too [2].

[1]
[hTtps://www.opEnsTreetmAp.oRG/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634](htTps://www.OpensTrEetMAP.org/#mAP=13/18.6540/-72.2634)

[2] [HtTps://GoO.gl/maps/8w257Q5mc4Y](HttPs://goo.Gl/Maps/8W257Q5mC
 best way to improve the l ives of Ha itian s i s o bv ious ly t o help them
em i grat e but they're quite, q uitemo t ivat e dto do  that a l re a d y.
~ ~~ 
pl ee z eThe b est  way to  help a na tio nis not to he l pthe popula tio n flee their 
ot herwis ewor k ableloc ation . As o t hers h ave state d, it's n o t polit i c al ly
c orrect to state t h eo bvious: localrule h as ut t e rly  fa iled. Brit is h orA merican oc c u p ati o n has alwaysbeen the be s t o ptionba sed on fac tualna t ion al
statisti cs.
~~~
barr y-cott e r
Fuckt he nati on, if  we  wa nt t o  h el p t he peo p le  of Hai ti we ab so lu telyshou l d h elpthe m fl ee th eir location.  It  may bea wor kable  nat io n for  the D omini ca n
Republic butit c learly is n't  f orHa iti.Americ a i s p olitica lly inc a pab le o f  a  long term occupat io n ,  l ook at I raq or Af gh a nistan.Re alnati o n  buil ding wo uld requ ire ru n ni ng  a coun tr y in a 
p rof oun dly u n demo cratic  way for  at t h e very least a decade, morel ik e l yt wo o r
t hree. The U S is n 't e venc ap abl e  of w innin ga  w a r of occupation giv en  the
p oliti cal constrain ts it oper a t e s under.  Ift he y  had the suppo rt of  60% of th e 
populat ion f or a thi rty yeara n d 0.1% p rot est edaga i n st  it they woul d n 't d oit. Rus sia  or Chi namig ht,  at  a  push Sin gapore,bu taWe ste rn co u ntry? Gi ve  me 
a  br eak.And do n't b e aco wa r d w ith you r  t h r owaw ay .dang  ma yhavebowe d  to  pressu re
with t hes hutup  o r be ba nned to yummy fa jitas Chri sStu cchiob u t nothin g will
ever change if w e 're all  co wards .

- -----
scr ibu 
Readi nga bout h ow peo ple c op e a f t er be i n gdis pl aced by an a tur al di sa ster  felt
s o different than r e adi ng about peop levolu n t ar ily ab a ndo ni n g t h e ir homes to
for m communes .T he  latter sh u nsau thority , while  thef ormer a ctively s eeks it.
F ound C ana an on Open StreetMa p [1], as descr i be d inthe  artic le . I t sho ws upo n
s ateli te ima ge s on G oogle  M aps too[2].

[1]
[https://www. openst reetm ap. org/#map= 13/ 1 8.6 540/-72.2 634] (https://w ww. ope nstre etm a p.org /#ma p =1 3/1 8 .6540 /-72 . 2634)

[2 ]  [ htt p s :/ /goo.gl/map s / 8 w25 7Q5mC 4y] ( https: //go o.gl/maps/8w257Q5 m C
 best_way to_improve the lives of_Haitians is_obviously_to help_them
emigrate_but they're quite,_quite motivated to_do that already.

~~~
pleeze
The best_way to help_a_nation is not to help the population flee their
otherwise workable location. As others have_stated,_it's not_politically
correct_to_state the obvious: local rule_has utterly failed. British or
American_occupation has_always been the best option based on factual_national
statistics.

~~~
barry-cotter
Fuck_the nation, if_we want to help the people of Haiti we_absolutely should
help them flee their location._It may be_a_workable_nation for the Dominican
Republic_but it clearly isn't for Haiti.

America_is politically incapable of a long_term occupation, look at Iraq or
Afghanistan. Real_nation building would require running a_country in a
profoundly undemocratic way_for at_the very least a decade,_more likely two_or
three. The_US isn't even_capable of winning a war of_occupation given the
political_constraints it operates under. If they_had_the support of_60%_of_the
population for_a thirty year_and_0.1% protested_against_it they wouldn't do
it. Russia or_China_might, at a push Singapore, but a_Western country? Give me
a_break.

And_don't be a coward_with your throwaway. dang may_have bowed to pressure
with the shut_up or_be banned_to yummyfajitas Chris Stucchio but nothing will
ever change if we're all_cowards.

------
scribu
Reading about how people cope after_being displaced by a_natural disaster_felt
so_different than reading_about_people voluntarily_abandoning their homes to
form communes. The latter_shuns authority,_while the former actively seeks it.

Found_Canaan on OpenStreetMap [1],_as_described in the article. It shows_up on
satelite images on Google Maps_too [2].

[1]
[https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634](https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/18.6540/-72.2634)

[2] [https://goo.gl/maps/8w257Q5mC4y](https://goo.gl/maps/8w257Q5mC