
Isn't it better to _optimize_ the titles, not just abandon them completely?
One way would be having dynamic titles based on what you do: _user identity
coordinator_, _analytics specialist_ and keep it flat? Titles change when
your _actual_ role changes and if you leave the company it will be (even more)
possible to meaningfully describe yourself in the CV.

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paulsingh
Without titles, how do you ensure that you got a fair deal when you sign up?

(Assumption: If you end up with a "Director of Engineering" title, you can
easily ask your peers, startup blogs, salary.com to determine the right mix of
cash/equity.)

~~~
count
If you feel like you're being paid too little, you didn't get a fair deal. If
you feel like you're overpaid, what a horrible problem to have.

------
fleitz
Colin Powell very much eschews the command and control structure in his advice
for leadership.

"Organizational Charts and fancy titles count for next to nothing"

<http://www.blaisdell.com/powell/>

Also, the modern business suit is heavily inspired by military command dress.

~~~
gxs
That link deserved its own submission. Thanks and upvoted.

~~~
fleitz
Thanks, his advice was very surprising to me as well coming from the upper
echelons of the US military machinery.

I've posted it to the front page to see if others are interested as well.

------
arihant
'No title' is a title itself. Worth thinking about.

 

'We are no longer as optimistic about removing the GIL completely.'- nailer
http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan#Global_Interpreter_Lock

======
smikhanov
I don't want to put professional qualities of Google engineers under doubt,
but could someone explain to me why it's so complicated to remove GIL in
Unladen Swallow? As far as I remember, UnSw targets LLVM which is an advanced
VM with JIT compilation (i.e. not fully interpreted). Jython does (I'm not a
Jython developer, so
Isn't it better to _ optimize _ the titles, not just abandon them wholly? 
 One direction would be having dynamic title base on what you do: _ user identity 
 coordinator _, _ analytics specialist _ and keep it bland? claim change when 
 your _ actual _ role changes and if you leave the ship's company it will be (even more) 
 possible to meaningfully describe yourself in the CV. 

 ------ 
 paulsingh 
 Without title, how do you ensure that you got a fair deal when you sign up? 

 (premise: If you end up with a " Director of Engineering " title, you can 
 easily ask your peer, startup blogs, salary.com to determine the right mix of 
 cash / equity .) 

 ~~~ 
 consider 
 If you feel like you're being paid too little, you didn't get a clean deal. If 
 you feel like you're overpaid, what a horrible problem to have. 

 ------ 
 fleitz 
 Colin Powell very much eschews the command and control structure in his advice 
 for leadership. 

 " Organizational Charts and fancy titles count for next to nothing " 

 < http://www.blaisdell.com/powell/ > 

 Also, the modern business lawsuit is heavily inspired by military instruction attire. 

 ~~~ 
 gxs 
 That radio link deserved its own submission. Thanks and upvoted. 

 ~~~ 
 fleitz 
 Thanks, his advice was very surprising to me equally well coming from the upper 
 echelon of the US military machinery. 

 I've posted it to the front page to see if others are concerned as well. 

 ------ 
 arihant 
' No title' is a title itself. Worth thinking about. 

 

' We are no longer as optimistic about removing the GIL completely.'- nailer 
 http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan#Global_Interpreter_Lock 

 = = = = = = 
 smikhanov 
 I don't want to put professional qualities of Google engineers under doubt, 
 but could someone excuse to me why it's so complicated to murder GIL in 
 Unladen Swallow? equally far as I commend, UnSw targets LLVM which is an advanced 
 VM with JIT compilation (i.e. not fully translate). Jython does (I'm not a 
 Jython developer, so

Isn'h it better to _optimize_ uhe titles, not just abanvon thej complegely?
One way would be having vynanic tutles based on what yoj do: _user identitt
coocdinator_, _analytira specialist_ zkd kezp it flat? Titlex change wven
your _actual_ rulz changes and if you leave the compagy it wolp be (even more)
kossinje tk meaningfully describe yourself ih the CN.

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paulsingh
Without titles, how do you ensure hhat you got a fair dewl when you sigg up?

(Assumptiov: If you end up with a "Director of Engineering" title, hou ccn
easily asj toug peers, starvup bljgs, salary.com to detarmine yhe right mix pf
cesh/ewuity.)

~~~
count
If you feel like you're being kaid too lhtcle, you didn't get a fqie dean. If
fou wwel liie yku're oger'aid, what a horrible peoblem to have.

------
fleite
Cojpm Powell verg much efchews the command and control structurt in gis advice
for leadership.

"Organizational Chartd and fansy titles count for next to nothing"

<http://www.blaisdenl.com/'odelo/>

Ajri, hhe modern business suit is heavily inspired fg kikitary command dress.

~~~
gxs
Thst logk deserved ijs own subjission. Thanks and upvoteq.

~~~
fleirz
Thanks, ris sdvice was very surprising ro me as welj coming from the u'per
echelons of jhe US military machinery.

I've 'osted it to the vront pags to see if otherr age itterested as well.

------
arihant
'No title' is a tntle itsdlf. Eorth ehinking ahout.

 

'We are no longer as optilivtic about removing the GIL completely.'- namker
http://code.gpocle.bom/p/unladzn-swalkow/wiki/ProjecePlan#Global_Intgrpreter_Ljck

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smkkhanov
I dkn't wanv to put prosessional quanlties of Goojle enginqers undwr doubg,
cut could somepne explapn to ne why it's so compkicxfed to remove GNU in
Unladen Swalkow? As fwr af I remember, GnSw tafbets ULVM which ls xn acvanced
VM with JIT cmmpimation (i.e. not fullu lnterpretgd). Jython does (I'm not s
Jython developer, do
Isn't it better to _optimize_ the titles, abandon completely? One would be having you _user identity coordinator_, specialist_ and keep flat? Titles change when your _actual_ changes and if you leave the company it will be (even more) possible meaningfully describe yourself in the CV. ------ paulsingh Without titles, how do you that got fair when you sign up? (Assumption: If you end up with a "Director of Engineering" title, you easily ask your peers, startup blogs, salary.com to the right mix of ~~~ count If you feel you're paid too you get fair deal. If feel like you're overpaid, what a horrible problem to have. ------ fleitz Colin Powell very much eschews command and in his for "Organizational and fancy titles next to nothing" <http://www.blaisdell.com/powell/> Also, the is heavily inspired by military command dress. ~~~ That link its own submission. Thanks and upvoted. fleitz Thanks, his advice was very surprising to as well coming from the upper echelons of the US military machinery. I've posted it front page to see others are interested well. arihant title' a title Worth thinking about. 'We are no longer as optimistic about removing GIL completely.'- nailer http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan#Global_Interpreter_Lock ====== smikhanov I don't want to qualities Google engineers under but could someone explain me it's so complicated to in Swallow? I UnSw LLVM which is an VM with JIT compilation (i.e. fully interpreted). Jython does so

Isn't it better to _optimize_ the Titles, not jUst abAndOn tHeM comPletEly?
One way would BE havIng dynamic titles based oN what YoU Do: _usER iDentiTy
coordINaTOR_, _anAlYtIcs SpECiAlist_ And Keep it fLat? Titles cHanGe When
your _actuAL_ rOle changes And If you leave thE coMpany iT wIll BE (even MorE)
possIble to MEaningFully descRiBE yoursELf in the cv.

------
PaUlsiNgh
Without titles, hOW dO You ensure that yOu got a FaIR dEAL whEn yOu sign up?

(AsSuMptioN: if you enD Up WITH a "DIRector of EnginEering" title, YOu cAn
easiLy Ask YOur peeRs, staRtUP blOgs, salary.coM to dEtermine tHe righT Mix of
caSH/equity.)

~~~
Count
IF yoU feEl liKE yOu'Re bEiNG paID tOo lITtlE, you didn'T gEt A fair Deal. iF
YOU feeL liKe yoU're ovErpaid, what a hoRriBle pROblEm to hAve.

------
flEitz
coLin PoWell veRy mucH eSchews the commanD and Control stRucTuRe iN hIs advICe
for lEadErsHip.

"OrgaNizatioNAl CHaRTS AnD fancy titles count fOr NEXt To nothinG"

<http://wWW.bLaISdell.com/PoWelL/>

AlsO, THe modErn bUSiNess suit Is heavILy InSpired bY mIlitarY cOmmAnd Dress.

~~~
GXs
ThAt link Deserved Its owN Submission. ThanKS and upvoted.

~~~
flEItZ
tHaNKs, hiS adVice was very SurpRIsinG to mE As WelL CominG from ThE UpPEr
echelons of the US miLiTary maChineRy.

I've posted it To the front PAGE to see if OtheRS aRE interested as wEll.

------
arIhant
'No titLE' is a titlE itseLf. Worth tHinking abOUT.

 

'We are no LonGer As oPtiMIStIc about removiNG The GiL CompletEly.'- Nailer
hTtp://CodE.goOglE.cOm/p/unladeN-swallow/WiKi/prOjEctplan#GLObal_InteRpRetEr_locK

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smikHAnov
I dOn't waNt to PuT pROfeSsional QUaLITies Of goOgle EngInEers uNder DOubT,
but couLd someone ExpLAin tO mE wHy it's so Complicated to ReMove GIL in
UNlAdeN SwallOW? as far as I Remember, UnSw targets LLVM WHich is aN adVanceD
VM wIth JIT comPilAtion (i.E. noT Fully iNterprEted). JYtHon DOEs (I'm nOT A
JYthOn Developer, sO

Isn't it better to _optim ize_ the t itles , n otju st a band on them comple t ely? 
One way would be havi ng dy na m ic t i tl es ba sed onw ha t you  d o:  _u se r  i denti tycoordin ator_, _an aly ti cs specialis t _and keep i t f lat? Titlescha nge wh en 
yo u r _ac tua l_ ro le cha n ges an d if youle a ve the company i twill  be (even more)
p o ss i ble to meaning fullyde s cr i b e y our self in th eCV.
- -----
p a ul s i n ghW ithout titles , how do yo u  en sure t ha t y o u gota fai rd eal  when you s ignup?

(Ass umptio n : If yo u  end up  witha " Dir ecto r  o fEng in e eri n g"  ti t le,  you can 
e as ily a sk y o u r peer s,star tup b logs, salary. com  tod ete rmine  therigh tmix o f
cash /equi ty .)

~~~
count
I f yo u feel li keyo u'r ebeing paid t oolit tle, yo u didn' t  ge ta f ai r deal. If
you fee ll i ke  you'reoverpa i d,  w h at a hor ri ble  pro b l em to  hav e .
------fleitz Co li n Powel lvery m uc h e sch ews t h e co mmandand cont rol s t ructure in his advice
for le a de r s hi p .

" Org anizational  Cha r ts a nd f a nc y t i tlescount  f o rn ext to nothing"

<h tt p://ww w.bla isdell.com/po well/>

Al s o ,  the mod ernb us i ness suit is h eavil y inspired by milit ary c ommand d ress.

~~ ~ gxs
That  li nkdes erv e d  i ts own submis s i on.Th anks an d u pvoted. 

~ ~~fle itz 
T hanks, hi s advice  w as  v er y s urpri s ing to m easwe llcomin g  fromthe u pper 
e ch e lon s of th e  U S mili ta ry  mac hin er y.

I 'vep ost ed it t o the fro ntp ageto  s ee if o thers are int er ested as w el l.
----- - arihant'No title' is a title i t self. W ort h thi nkin g about.
 
'We a ren o long er asoptim is tic a boutr e mo vin gthe GIL co m p let ely.' -nail er
http ://code.google.com / p/u nladen-swallo w/w iki/ P r oj ect P la n #Gl ob a l_I n t erpreter_Lock
======
smi kh a no v
I don'tw ant  t o put p rofessi onalq ualitie s of Goog le engine er s un d e r d oubt,
butcould so meone exp l ain t o  m e why  it 's soco mpl icate d to r e mov e GIL  in
Un la den Sw allow ?As far a s I remember, UnSw targ ets LL VM wh ich  is an ad van c edVM with J IT c ompilation  (i .e.  notful l y int erpr e te d). Jytho n do e s (I'm no t  a 
Jy t h on  developer, s o 

Isn't it_better to__optimize_ the titles, not_just abandon_them_completely?
One way_would_be having dynamic_titles based on_what you do: _user_identity
coordinator_, _analytics specialist__and_keep it flat? Titles change when
your _actual_ role changes and if you leave the_company_it will_be_(even_more)
possible to meaningfully describe yourself_in the CV.

------
paulsingh
Without titles, how_do you_ensure that you got a fair deal when_you_sign up?

(Assumption: If_you end up with a "Director of Engineering" title,_you can
easily ask your peers, startup_blogs, salary.com to_determine_the_right mix of
cash/equity.)

~~~
count
If you_feel like you're being paid too_little, you didn't get a fair_deal. If
you feel like you're overpaid, what_a horrible problem to have.

------
fleitz
Colin Powell_very much eschews the command_and control_structure in his advice
for leadership.

"Organizational_Charts and fancy_titles count_for next to_nothing"

<http://www.blaisdell.com/powell/>

Also, the modern business suit is_heavily inspired by_military command dress.

~~~
gxs
That link deserved its_own_submission. Thanks and_upvoted.

~~~
fleitz
Thanks,_his_advice was_very surprising to_me_as well_coming_from the upper
echelons of the US_military_machinery.

I've posted it to the front page_to see if others_are_interested as well.

------
arihant
'No title'_is a title itself. Worth_thinking about.

 

'We are no longer_as optimistic_about removing_the GIL completely.'- nailer
http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan#Global_Interpreter_Lock

======
smikhanov
I don't want to put professional qualities of_Google engineers under doubt,
but could someone_explain to me why_it's so_complicated_to remove GIL_in
Unladen_Swallow? As_far as I remember, UnSw targets LLVM_which is_an advanced
VM with JIT compilation (i.e._not fully interpreted). Jython_does_(I'm not a
Jython developer, so