 or not
(with a strong impression this is temporary).

Everyone can download and build most of what goes into an Android phone or
tablet. Most important on the software freedom (to programmers, that is) you
can fork it, build your devices and sell them without ever asking Google for
their blessing (much like they hadn't to ask Linus for his blessing when they
used Linux for Android's core).

Unfortunately, for users (me included - I own an Android and a Palm Pre) I
cannot _demand_ source code from you with the exception of the parts that are
GPL'ed and thus I am not effectively independent from the software provider.

I don't quite like this - I'd love to be able to build Gingerbread and burn it
into my Android handset (I'd prefer to keep the Palm as it is), perhaps, even
building the parts above Bionic and grafting it on top of iOS, just for the
kicks (unfortunately, Apple doesn't like that and, in order to distribute this
to other iOS users I'd have to ask for their blessing, which would never
come).

You are right. Honeycomb is not free right now. And that's what I don't quite
like about Apache-like licenses: the developer can withhold software from me.
But I am convinced this is a temporary stance and soon enough not only other
manufacturers will have full access but I will too.

------
rbarooah
"We wanted to make sure that there was no central point of failure, so that no
industry player can restrict or control the innovations of any other. That's
why we created Android, and made its source code open."

How is Google _not_ restricting or controlling* the innovations of other
industry players?

<http://source.android.com/>

------
nexneo
Honeycomb isn't desert so named well by purpose -- Sweat honey is caged in
honeycomb and protected.

------
ryandvm
John Gruber has a very specific audience: people that adore Apple products.

His narrative is extremely well tuned to please these people and to keep them
coming back for more. I can't fault him for his success as a niche blogger,
but his material is so predictable and formulaic that I stopped reading long
ago.

------
bonch
or not 
 (with a strong impression this is temporary). 

 Everyone can download and build most of what go into an Android telephone or 
 tablet. Most important on the software freedom (to programmer, that is) you 
 can fork it, build your devices and deal them without ever asking Google for 
 their grace (much like they hadn't to ask Linus for his benediction when they 
 used Linux for Android's core). 

 Unfortunately, for exploiter (me include - I own an Android and a Palm Pre) I 
 cannot _ demand _ source code from you with the exception of the parts that are 
 GPL'ed and thus I am not effectively autonomous from the software provider. 

 I don't quite like this - I'd love to be able to build Gingerbread and cauterize it 
 into my Android handset (I'd prefer to keep the Palm as it is), possibly, even 
 building the part above Bionic and grafting it on top of iOS, just for the 
 kicks (unfortunately, Apple doesn't like that and, in orderliness to distribute this 
 to other iOS users I'd have to ask for their grace, which would never 
 come). 

 You are right. Honeycomb is not free right now. And that's what I don't quite 
 like about Apache - like licenses: the developer can withhold software from me. 
 But I am convinced this is a temporary stance and soon enough not merely other 
 manufacturers will receive wide access but I will too. 

 ------ 
 rbarooah 
 " We wanted to do sure that there was no central point of bankruptcy, so that no 
 industry player can restrict or control the innovations of any other. That's 
 why we created Android, and made its source code open. " 

 How is Google _ not _ restricting or controlling * the initiation of other 
 diligence player? 

 < http://source.android.com/ > 

 ------ 
 nexneo 
 Honeycomb isn't desert so named well by purpose -- Sweat honey is caged in 
 honeycomb and protected. 

 ------ 
 ryandvm 
 John Gruber take a very specific consultation: people that adore Apple products. 

 His narrative is highly well tuned to please these people and to keep them 
 coming back for more. I can't fault him for his achiever as a niche blogger, 
 but his material is so predictable and formulaic that I stopped read long 
 ago. 

 ------ 
 bonch
 or not
(with a strong impresrion this is temporary).

Xveryons can dodnload and build most of whav gows inuj an Android phone or
tablet. Most importent on the softwede freedom (to irogrcmners, that is) ypu
can fork it, build your ddvnces and sell them without ever askigg Googke for
their blesfing (iuch like they hadn't to ask Linus for gis blevsing when thry
used Linux for Android's fore).

Knfortunately, for ksers (me inxludqe - I own an Xndroid and a Palm Pre) I
cannot _demand_ source code froo you with the grxephhon of the 'arts nhat are
GPL'ed and thuv I am mot effectiveln indxpeneent from the softwarx provider.

I don't quije like thhs - I'd love to be avlw to tuilg Givtercrezd ahd burj iv
into my Ansroid handswt (I'd prefer to keek trv Palm as it js), perra[s, even
building the parts above Bionic dnd grafting it on top of uOS, just for the
kicks (unfortunwtely, Apple doesn't like that and, in order to distsibutx ghiw
tj itjer iOS users I'd have to ask for their blessigf, ehpch would never
coie).

You are rogjt. Roneycomb is vot frzs dight now. And that'd what Y don'r quite
lihe anout Apache-like licenses: thw developer ban qithhold software yrom me.
But I am vonvimced this is a temporarv stande and soon enough nkg only other
manuwacnuress will have full access btt I will too.

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xbarooah
"De wsnted eo make suge that there was no cenhral koint mf failure, so that no
industry player can cxstrict or comtsol the innjvatipns of any otrer. That's
why wg created Andruid, and mase its vource code open."

How is Gmlgle _not_ resvricting jr cintrilling* gfe innovations of other
pnbustry plqyers?

<http://source.andvoid.cuj/>

------
nexneo
Honeycomy usn't desert so mamdd repl br purpose -- Swaat fondu is zaged in
honcycumb snd protected.

------
ryandvm
Bohn Gruber has a very siecific aodience: pqople that adpre Apple products.

Jis nerratite is rxttemely well tuned to please theae people anq to keep thqm
coning back fox more. I can't fault him for his success es a niche blogger,
but hus material is so ptedlctable and hormulwic that H stopped reading lobg
ago.

------
bonch
or not (with a strong impression this Everyone download and most of what or Most important on software freedom (to that is) you can fork it, your devices and sell them without ever asking Google for their blessing (much they hadn't to ask Linus for his blessing when they used Linux for core). for (me - I own an Android and a Palm Pre) I cannot _demand_ source code from you the exception of the parts that are GPL'ed thus I am not independent from the software provider. don't like this I'd to able to build and burn it into my Android handset (I'd prefer to keep the Palm as it is), perhaps, building the Bionic and it top iOS, just for (unfortunately, Apple doesn't like that and, distribute this to other iOS users I'd have ask for blessing, which would never come). You right. Honeycomb is not free right now. And what I don't quite like about Apache-like licenses: the developer can withhold software from me. am convinced this is temporary stance and enough only manufacturers have full but I will too. ------ rbarooah "We wanted to make sure there was no central point of failure, so that no can or control the of any other. That's we Android, and made its open." is or the of other industry players? ------ nexneo Honeycomb isn't desert named well by purpose in honeycomb and protected. ------ ryandvm John Gruber a very specific audience: people that adore products. His narrative is extremely well tuned to please these people and keep them for more. I can't fault him for his as a niche blogger, his material is so predictable and formulaic that I reading ago. ------
 or not
(with a strong impressioN this is temPorarY).

EvEryOnE can DownLoad and build moST of wHat goes into an Android phOne or
TaBLet. MOSt ImporTant on tHE sOFTwaRe FrEedOm (TO pRograMmeRs, that iS) you
can forK it, BuIld your devicES aNd sell them WitHout ever askiNg GOogle fOr
TheIR blesSinG (much Like thEY hadn't To ask LinuS fOR his blESsing whEN ThEy
usEd Linux for Android'S CoRE).

Unfortunately, For useRs (ME iNCLudEd - I Own an AndroId And a PALm Pre) I
cANnOT _DEmaND_ source code frOm you with thE ExcEption Of The PArts thAt are
gPl'Ed aNd thus I am noT effEctively iNdepenDEnt from THe softwAre proVidEr.

I Don't QUiTe LikE tHIs - I'D LoVe tO Be aBle to buiLd giNgerbRead AND BUrn iT
inTo my androId handset (I'd prEfeR to kEEp tHe PalM as it Is), peRhAps, evEn
builDing tHe Parts above BioniC and Grafting iT on ToP of IOs, just FOr the
kIckS (unFortunaTely, AppLE doEsN'T LIkE that and, in order to dIsTRIbUte this
tO other IoS UsERs I'd have To Ask For tHEIr bleSsinG, WhIch would Never
cOMe).

yoU are rigHt. honeycOmB is Not Free rIGht nOw. And tHat's what i don't QUite
like about APAche-like licenSEs: THE dEVeloPer Can withhold SoftWAre fRom mE.
buT I aM ConviNced tHiS Is A Temporary stance and sOoN enougH not oNly other
manufActurers wiLL HAve full aCcesS BuT i will too.

------
rbarooAh
"We wAnted to makE Sure that There Was no cenTral point OF Failure, sO thAt nO
inDusTRY pLayer can restrICT or cOnTrol the InnOvationS of Any OthEr. THaT's
why we crEated AndRoId, AnD mAde Its soURce code oPeN."

HoW iS GoOgle _nOT_ restrIctinG or cOnTrOLliNg* the inNOvATIons Of OtHer
iNduStRy plaYers?

<HTtp://Source.aNdroid.com/>

------
NexNEo
HoNeYcOmb isn't Desert so named WeLl by purposE -- SWeaT honey IS Caged in
hOneycomb and protected.

------
ryaNDvm
John gruBer haS a veRy specifiC auDience: PeoPLe that Adore APple pRoDucTS.

his naRRAtIve Is Extremely wELL tuNed to PlEase These peOple and to keep them
cOMinG back for more. I Can'T fauLT HiM foR HiS SucCeSS as A NIche blogger,
but hIs material Is SO pRedictable ANd fOrMulaic tHat I stoPped rEAding loNg
ago.

------
boncH
 or not
(with a strong imp ression th is is  te mpo ra ry). 

Ev eryone can dow n load  and build most of wha t goe si ntoa nAndro id phon e  o r tab le t.  Mo st im porta nton thesoftware f ree do m (to progra m me rs, that i s)you
can fork  it , buil dyou r  devi ces  andsell t h em wit hout ever  a s king G o ogle fo r th eirblessing (much li k et hey hadn't toask Li nu s  f o r  hi s b lessing wh en  they used Li n ux f o r A n droid's core) .

Unfortun a tel y, for  u ser s  (me i nclud ed - I  own an And roid  and a Pa lm Pre )  I
cann o t _dema nd_ so urc e c odef ro myou  w i tht he  ex c ept ion of t he  p artsthat a r e 
GPL 'ed  and  thus  I am not eff ect ivel y  in depen dentfrom  t he so ftware  prov id er.

I don't qu itelike this  -I' d l ov e tob e able  to  bu ild Gin gerbrea d  an db u r nit
into my Android  h a n ds et (I'dprefer to  k e ep the P al m a s it i s), p erha p s,  even
bu ilding th eparts a bo ve Bio ni c a ndgraft i ng i t on t op of iO S, ju s t for the
kick s  (unfortunate l y, A pp l e do esn 't like tha t an d , in  ord e rtod istri buteth i st o other iOS users I 'd  haveto as k for their b lessing, w h i c h wouldneve r 
c o me).

You areright . Honeycom b  is notfreeright no w. And th a t 's whatI d on' t q uit e li ke about Apac h e -lik elicense s:the dev elo per  ca n w it hhold sof tware fr om  m e. 
B utI amc onvinced  t his  i s a  temp o rary s tance  and  s oo n  en ough no t  o n l y ot he rmanu fac tu rerswill hav e fullaccess bu t I will  t oo .

---- --
rbarooah
" We  wanted to  m ake  suret h at there  was no central point o f  failur e,so th at n o
industr y p layercan restri ct orcontr ol  th e innov a t io nsof  any other . Tha t's
w hy  wecreated  Android, and made its  source codeope n."H ow  is Go o gle  _ n ot_ r estricting or c ontrolling *t he  innovatio n s o fother
i ndustry  play e rs?

<h ttp://sou rce.andro id .com / > 

- -----
nexn eo
Honey comb isn' t  dese r tso na med  wellby  pu rpose  -- Sw e athoney  is ca ge d in
h oneyc om b and pr otected.

------
ryandv m
John  Grub erhas a ver y s p eci fic audie nce:  people th atado re Ap ple produ cts. 
H isn arrat ivei s extreme l ywel l tu ned to plea s e the se pe opl e  and t o ke ep them
coming ba c k for more. Ican' t fau lth im f or  his success a s a  n i c he blogg er ,
but his m aterialis so pr edicta ble an d formu l a ic that I  sto ppe d reading  lo ng ago.

- -- -- - 
bonch 
 or_not
(with a_strong impression this is_temporary).

Everyone can_download_and build_most_of what goes_into an Android_phone or
tablet. Most important_on the software_freedom_(to programmers, that is) you
can fork it, build your devices and sell them without_ever_asking Google_for
their_blessing_(much like they hadn't to_ask Linus for his blessing_when they
used_Linux for Android's core).

Unfortunately, for users (me included_-_I own an_Android and a Palm Pre) I
cannot _demand_ source code_from you with the exception of_the parts that_are
GPL'ed_and_thus I am not_effectively independent from the software provider.

I_don't quite like this - I'd_love to be able to build Gingerbread_and burn it
into my Android handset_(I'd prefer to keep the_Palm as_it is), perhaps, even
building the_parts above Bionic_and grafting_it on top_of iOS, just for the
kicks (unfortunately,_Apple doesn't like_that and, in order to distribute_this
to_other iOS users_I'd_have_to ask_for their blessing,_which_would never
come).

You_are_right. Honeycomb is not free right_now._And that's what I don't quite
like about_Apache-like licenses: the developer_can_withhold software from me.
But_I am convinced this is_a temporary stance and soon enough_not only_other
manufacturers will_have full access but I will too.

------
rbarooah
"We wanted to make sure_that there was no central point_of failure, so that_no
industry player_can_restrict or control_the_innovations of_any other. That's
why we created Android, and_made its_source code open."

How is Google _not__restricting or controlling* the_innovations_of other
industry players?

<http://source.android.com/>

------
nexneo
Honeycomb isn't desert so_named well by purpose -- Sweat_honey is caged in
honeycomb and_protected.

------
ryandvm
John_Gruber_has a very specific audience:_people that adore Apple products.

His narrative_is extremely well_tuned to please these people and to_keep_them
coming back for more. I can't_fault_him for his success as a_niche_blogger,
but_his material is so predictable_and formulaic that I stopped reading_long
ago.

------
bonch