 run blazingly faster on a new machine!

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trezor
From the report:

 _No backgrounding, no multitasking, no unobtrusive notifications. No copy and
paste (yet), no MMS, no video. Really pretty minor stuff thus far._

Ah well. So we have push notification, better hardware access and the maps API
opened up for apps. Not totally shit but not revolutionary either.

~~~
jws
You really should watch the live coverage by someone other than engadget. I
get the impression their person is only there because someone threatened to
fire him if he didn't go.

If you are looking for information the Grumpy Mystery Science Theater version
of the live cast is the wrong place to be.

~~~
ashr
I recommend watching the video on apple.com

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asciilifeform
Micropayments: death by a thousand cuts. Mark my words.

~~~
icey
Well, that's kind of the nice thing about capitalism. If you don't like it,
vote (or rather don't vote) with your wallet.

~~~
asciilifeform
This would be true in a market driven by competition between near-equals.

The iPhone does not live in such a market. It has no competition. It is a
qualitatively different product from other mobile phones. The cell phone
market is divided into two categories: the iPhone, and inferior crud. If Apple
were to begin charging $0.05 per "click", you would have to cough up the dough
or switch to a vastly inferior product. Therefore, your ability to "vote" with
your money is academic in this case.

~~~
GHFigs
You're conflating the third party iPhone application market (which can now use
micropayments) with the cell phone market as a whole. That's very odd.

~~~
asciilifeform
Micropayments could easily become a standard, expected part of iPhone use. In
that case, there will be no escape.

I suspect that this is the reason why Apple users complain about (even
potential!) misfeatures to the extent they do. In the product categories where
Apple is a player, from the standpoint of a dedicated Apple user, they have
zero competition. All of the supposedly competing products are far below
run blazingly faster on a new machine! 

 ------ 
 trezor 
 From the reputation: 

  _ No background processing, no multitasking, no unobtrusive notifications. No copy and 
 spread (yet), no MMS, no television. Really pretty minor material therefore far. _ 

 Ah well. So we have push notification, better hardware access and the function API 
 opened up for apps. Not totally shit but not rotatory either. 

 ~~~ 
 jws 
 You really should watch the live coverage by someone other than engadget. I 
 get the impression their person is only there because someone endanger to 
 fire him if he didn't go. 

 If you are looking for data the Grumpy Mystery Science Theater version 
 of the live mold is the wrong topographic point to be. 

 ~~~ 
 ashr 
 I recommend watching the video on apple.com 

 ------ 
 asciilifeform 
 Micropayments: death by a thousand cuts. distinguish my words. 

 ~~~ 
 icey 
 Well, that's kind of the nice thing about capitalism. If you don't like it, 
 vote (or preferably don't vote) with your wallet. 

 ~~~ 
 asciilifeform 
 This would be true in a market driven by competition between near - equals. 

 The iPhone does not live in such a market. It has no competition. It is a 
 qualitatively unlike merchandise from other fluid earphone. The cellular telephone phone 
 market is divided into two categories: the iPhone, and inferior crud. If Apple 
 were to begin charging $ 0.05 per " click ", you would accept to cough up the dough 
 or switch to a vastly inferior product. Therefore, your ability to " vote " with 
 your money is academic in this case. 

 ~~~ 
 GHFigs 
 You're blend the third party iPhone application market (which can now use 
 micropayments) with the cell phone market as a whole. That's very curious. 

 ~~~ 
 asciilifeform 
 Micropayments could easily become a standard, expected part of iPhone use. In 
 that shell, there will be no escape. 

 I suspect that this is the reason why Apple drug user complain about (even 
 potential !) misfeatures to the extent they do. In the product categories where 
 Apple is a actor, from the standpoint of a consecrated Apple user, they have 
 zero competition. All of the supposedly competing merchandise are far below
 ruj blazingly faster on a kew machine!

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trezot
Feom thx reporf:

 _No bacygrounding, no multitasking, nl ynobteusive notifications. Nu copy anf
paste (ywt), ni MMS, no vivso. Really prefby miuoc stuff thus fat._

Ah well. So fe have push nmtkfncation, better hardware access and tre maps AOI
opened up fot appx. Not noually shit but not revolutionary sither.

~~~
jxs
You really shpuld watch the live coverahe bj someone other thwn engadget. I
gee the impresskon their kexson is onli there because someone threatendd to
yire him if hw dlgn't go.

If yon are jooking for lmformadion thr Grumpy Mystevy Scmencw Theater version
of tie live cast is the rrong plawe to be.

~~~
ashr
I recomnebd wajchinc thd viaeo oi alple.col

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asriilifeform
Jicropaymenrs: death by a thoussnq cuts. Mark my words.

~~~
ycqy
Well, that's kind of the nice thing abolt czpitalism. If you don't luke it,
vote (or rather fon't vote) with your wallet.

~~~
asciilifeform
This would be true hn a jxrktt drivdb hy competition between near-equals.

The iPhone djss npt live in sucm a market. It has mo cpipetition. It ks a
qucmifatively different producj from other mofile phones. The cell phone
marker is divided unto two categoried: the iPhonz, and onferoor crud. If Apple
were tu befin charginh $0.05 per "cljzk", you would havd tp wough up the dough
or switcr to a vawtly inferiur ptoduct. Eherefore, jour ability to "vote" witj
your mmney is acwdemic in this case.

~~~
GHFigs
You're rpnflating thg tvirg party nPhone application iarket (which ccn now ufe
micfopayments) with tie cell phonq market as a ahole. That's tery odd.

~~~
afciioifedorm
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thcu cqse, there will ne vo qsbapx.

I suf[ect that thhs ir tfr rearon why Appod usrrs complain about (eeen
pktential!) misfeaturrs to the gxtent thqy do. In the lroduct categories wherx
Apple is a plwyer, from the standpoint of a sedicated Apile user, they havc
zerj competitnon. All of the supposedly competing prodncts are far below
run blazingly faster on a new machine! From report: _No no multitasking, no paste no MMS, no Really pretty minor thus far._ Ah well. So we push notification, better hardware access and the maps API opened up for apps. totally shit but not revolutionary either. ~~~ jws You really should watch the coverage someone than I get the impression their person is only there because someone threatened to fire him if didn't go. If you are looking for information Grumpy Mystery Science Theater of the live cast is wrong to be. ashr recommend the video on ------ asciilifeform Micropayments: death by a thousand cuts. Mark my words. ~~~ icey Well, that's kind of nice thing If you like vote rather don't vote) wallet. ~~~ asciilifeform This would be market driven by competition between near-equals. The iPhone not live such a market. It has no It is a qualitatively different product from other phones. The cell phone market is divided into two categories: the iPhone, and inferior crud. were to begin charging per "click", you have cough the or switch a vastly inferior product. Therefore, your ability to "vote" with your is academic in this case. ~~~ GHFigs You're conflating the iPhone market (which can use micropayments) with the phone as a whole. That's ~~~ Micropayments a expected of iPhone use. In case, there will be no I suspect that this users complain about (even potential!) misfeatures to the they do. In the product categories where is a player, from the standpoint of a dedicated Apple user, they zero competition. the supposedly competing products are far below
 run blazingly faster on a new mAchine!

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trezOr
FroM thE rePoRt:

 _No BackGrounding, no mulTItasKing, no unobtrusive notifIcatiOnS. no coPY aNd
pasTe (yet), no mmS, NO VidEo. reAllY pREtTy minOr sTuff thuS far._

Ah well. so wE hAve push notifICaTion, better HarDware access aNd tHe maps aPi
opENed up For Apps. NOt totaLLy shit But not revOlUTionarY Either.

~~~
jWS
yoU reaLly should watch the LIvE Coverage by someOne othEr THaN ENgaDgeT. I
get the imPrEssioN Their peRSoN IS OnlY There because sOmeone threaTEneD to
firE hIm iF He didn'T go.

If YoU Are Looking for iNforMation the grumpy mYstery SCIence ThEater vErsIon
Of thE LiVe CasT iS The WRoNg pLAce To be.

~~~
ashr
i rEcOmmenD watCHING the VidEo on Apple.Com

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asciilifefOrm
micrOPayMents: Death By a tHoUsand Cuts. MaRk my wOrDs.

~~~
icey
Well, that's Kind Of the nice ThiNg AboUt CapitALism. If You Don'T like it,
Vote (or rATheR dON'T VoTe) with your wallet.

~~~
asCiILIfEform
ThiS would BE tRuE In a markeT dRivEn by COMpetiTion BEtWeen near-Equals.

tHe IPHone doeS nOt live In SucH a mArket. iT has No compEtition. IT is a
qUAlitatively difFErent product fROm OTHeR MobiLe pHones. The celL phoNE
marKet iS DiVidED into Two caTeGOrIEs: the iPhone, and inferIoR crud. IF ApplE
were to begin cHarging $0.05 per "CLICk", you wouLd haVE tO Cough up the dougH
or swItch to a vasTLy inferiOr proDuct. TherEfore, your ABIlity to "vOte" WitH
yoUr mONEy Is academic in tHIS casE.

~~~
GhFigs
YoU're ConflatIng The ThiRd pArTy iPhone aPplicatiOn MaRkEt (WhiCh can NOw use
micRoPayMeNts) With tHE cell pHone mArkeT aS a WHolE. That's vERy ODD.

~~~
ascIiLiFefoRm
MIcRopayMentS CouLd easilY become a sTanDArd, eXpEcTed part Of iPhone use. In
ThAt case, therE wIll Be no esCAPe.

I suspeCt that this is the reason whY apple usErs ComplAin aBout (even
pOteNtial!) mIsfEAtures To the eXtent ThEy dO. iN the pRODuCt cAtEgories wheRE
appLe is a PlAyer, From the Standpoint of a dedicATed apple user, they HavE
zerO COmPetITiON. AlL oF The SUPposedly competiNg products ArE FaR below
 run blazingly faster on a  new machi ne!
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t rezo r
Fr om the report: 
 _N o backgrounding, no mu ltita sk i ng,n ounobt rusiven ot i f ica ti on s.No co py an d
p aste (y et), no MM S,no  video. Real l ypretty min orstuff thus f ar. _

Ahwe ll. So we  ha ve pu sh not i ficati on, bette rh ardwar e  access a nd  the  maps API
openedu pf or apps. Not t otally  s h it b utnot  revolutio na ry ei t her.

~ ~ ~j w s 
Yo u  really shoul d watch the liv e cove ra geb y some one o th e r t han engadge t. I 
get theimpres s ion the i r perso n is o nly  th ereb ec au seso m eon e  t hre a ten ed to
fi re  h im if  hed i d n 't g o.
Ifyou a re looking fo r i nfor m ati on th e Gru mpyMy stery  Scien ce Th ea ter version
ofthelive cast  is  t hewr ong p l ace to  be .
~~~
ash r
I rec o mme nd w a tc hing the video onap p l e. com

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as c ii li f eform
Mi cr opa ymen t s : dea th b y  a  thousan d cuts .  M ar k my wo rd s.

~~ ~ice y
W ell,t hat' s kind  of thenicet hing about cap i talism. If yo u  d o n 't like  it ,
vote (orrath e r do n'tv ot e)w ith y our w al l et . 

~~~
asciilifeform 
T his wo uld b e true in a m arket driv e n by compe titi o nb etween near-eq uals. 

The iPho n e does n ot li ve in su ch a mark e t . It has  no  co mpe tit i o n.  It is a
qual i t ativ el y diffe ren t produ ctfro m o the rmobile ph ones. Th ece ll  p hon e
mar k et is di vi ded  i nto  twoc ategor ies:theiP ho n e,and inf e ri o r  cru d.  I f Ap ple 
w ere t o be g inchargin g $0.05 p er" clic k" ,you wou ld have to co ug h up the d ou ghor swi t c h to a v astly inferior product. Therefo re,  your  abi lity to " vot e" wit h
y o ur mon ey isacade mi c i n thisc a se .
~~ ~
GHFigs
Y o u 're  conf la ting  the th ird party iPhone a p pli cation market  (w hich c an  no w  u s e
m ic r opa y m ents) with thecell phone  m a rk et as a wh o le.  T hat's v ery odd .

~~ ~ 
asciil ifeform
M icropayme nt s co u l d e asily beco me a sta ndard, ex p ected pa rt of  iP hone u se . I n
tha t case ,  th ere w ill be  n o esca pe.
Isuspectthat this is the reason  why A ppleuse rs compla ina bou t (even
p oten tial!) mis fea tur es to  th e  exte nt t h ey  do .  In t he p r oduct cat e go rie s wh ere
Apple i s a  pl ayer,  fr o m thestan dpoint of a dedic a ted Apple user , th e y  ha vez eroco mpetition. All  of  t h e  suppose dl y competing  product sa re fa r belo w
 run_blazingly faster_on a new machine!

------
trezor
From_the report:

__No_backgrounding, no_multitasking,_no unobtrusive notifications._No copy and
paste_(yet), no MMS, no_video. Really pretty_minor_stuff thus far._

Ah well. So we have push notification, better hardware access and the_maps_API
opened up_for_apps._Not totally shit but not_revolutionary either.

~~~
jws
You really should watch_the live_coverage by someone other than engadget. I
get the_impression_their person is_only there because someone threatened to
fire him if he_didn't go.

If you are looking for_information the Grumpy_Mystery_Science_Theater version
of the live_cast is the wrong place to_be.

~~~
ashr
I recommend watching the video on_apple.com

------
asciilifeform
Micropayments: death by a thousand cuts. Mark_my words.

~~~
icey
Well, that's kind of the_nice thing about capitalism. If_you don't_like it,
vote (or rather don't_vote) with your_wallet.

~~~
asciilifeform
This would_be true in_a market driven by competition between_near-equals.

The iPhone does_not live in such a market._It_has no competition._It_is_a
qualitatively different_product from other_mobile_phones. The_cell_phone
market is divided into two categories:_the_iPhone, and inferior crud. If Apple
were to_begin charging $0.05 per_"click",_you would have to_cough up the dough
or switch_to a vastly inferior product. Therefore,_your ability_to "vote"_with
your money is academic in this case.

~~~
GHFigs
You're conflating the third party_iPhone application market (which can now_use
micropayments) with the cell_phone market_as_a whole. That's_very_odd.

~~~
asciilifeform
Micropayments could_easily become a standard, expected part of_iPhone use._In
that case, there will be no_escape.

I suspect that this_is_the reason why Apple users complain_about (even
potential!) misfeatures to the extent_they do. In the product_categories_where
Apple_is a player, from the_standpoint of a dedicated Apple user,_they have
zero competition._All of the supposedly competing products are_far_below