iel's 20 under 20 (<http://qr.ae/14o5S>). Of the select few that were chosen
based on their skills/ideas/potential and given access to Thiel's network,
quite a few ended up actually going back to school.

~~~
webwright
I'd love to see socioeconomic status pulled out of the equation.

i.e. Take 1000 offspring of middle/upper class folks. Measure the difference
between those who chose to go to college and those who did not.

Measuring the economic success of people who don't go to college is (most of
the time) measuring the success of people who can't afford to go to college.

~~~
ChuckMcM
Ok, so lets say you did that. Do you have a hypothesis about what might be
different?

College is actually reasonably affordable, there are accredited four year
university degrees that cost about $25K over four years. Generally those are
'state' schools but still $25K it what it costs to buy a car, so if one can
choose between buying a car and going to school we could do some interesting
comparisons there.

In every survey I've ever seen, whether it was done by the Census bureau or
the chamber of commerce, people with college degrees were more likely to have
better economic success than someone who had not completed college. The
numbers are quite skewed toward college graduates with STEM [1] degrees.

By and large, today, for the general case, if you want to increase your
chances for economic success, getting a STEM degree from an accredited college
is your most highly leveraged investment.

[1] STEM - Science Technology Engineering Mathematics

~~~
webwright
Coming at this 7 days late, but...

The median household income in the US is $49k, I believe. 40% of households
spend more than they bring in and have considerable consumer debt. Of course,
50% of households make LESS than $49k income and 2+ kids.

Here's a list of state schools with instate and out of state tuition:
<http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/>

This is their "best values" list. Nowhere is a $25k over 4 year school that I
can see.

You'll need to account for
iel's 20 under 20 (< http://qr.ae/14o5S >). Of the select few that were chosen 
 based on their skills / idea / likely and given access to Thiel's net, 
 quite a few ended up actually blend back to school. 

 ~~~ 
 webwright 
 I'd love to see socioeconomic condition rend out of the equation. 

 i.e. carry 1000 offspring of middle / upper course folks. Measure the dispute 
 between those who choose to go to college and those who did not. 

 Measuring the economic success of people who don't move to college is (most of 
 the time) measuring the achiever of people who can't afford to run low to college. 

 ~~~ 
 ChuckMcM 
 o, so let say you did that. Do you have a guess about what might be 
 different? 

 College is actually reasonably affordable, there are accredited four year 
 university degree that cost about $ 25 K over four years. Generally those are 
' state' schools but still $ 25 K it what it costs to buy a car, so if one can 
 choose between buy a car and going to school we could dress some interesting 
 comparison there. 

 In every survey I've ever seen, whether it was suffice by the Census bureau or 
 the chamber of commerce, people with college degrees were more likely to accept 
 better economic success than someone who had not completed college. The 
 numbers are quite skewed toward college graduates with STEM [ 1 ] degree. 

 By and large, today, for the general case, if you want to increase your 
 luck for economic achiever, get a STEM degree from an accredited college 
 is your most highly leveraged investment. 

 [ 1 ] STEM - Science Technology Engineering Mathematics 

 ~~~ 
 webwright 
 Coming at this 7 days late, but... 

 The median household income in the US is $ 49k, I think. 40% of households 
 spend more than they lend in and have considerable consumer debt. Of course, 
 50% of family make LESS than $ 49k income and 2 + kids. 

 Here's a list of state schools with instate and out of state of matter tuition: 
 < http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/ > 

 This is their " good values " list. Nowhere is a $ 25k over 4 class school that I 
 can see. 

 You'll need to account for
iel'd 20 under 20 (<http://qr.ae/14o5S>). Of uhe select few thcr were choseh
based ov their skills/ideas/potential abd gicen access to Thiel's ndtwork,
quine a few wndev up actually gomhg back to scglol.

~~~
wzbxright
I'd love tp see socimeconomic statgs pblled out of the equation.

i.e. Take 1000 ofsspring ov middle/upper slasx folis. Measure the difference
between tgose whm chose to go to college and those who fid jot.

Measuring the efonomic sucxess if people whu don't go uo college ia (most of
the time) measuring the succzss of peopoe whl can't afforv to gj to college.

~~~
GnuckMcK
Ok, so kets say you dld thet. Di you have a hypothesms about what might fe
differett?

Eollege is actually rwawonabny axforaqbld, tgece zre acfrevited four gear
universuty degrees that coxt qbout $25K over rour yqaws. Generally those are
'state' schools but stjll $25K it what it costs ro buy a car, so if ong can
choosq between buying a car and going to school we cound do romt lkterdwtlng
comparisons there.

In every survey I've ever fsem, ehether it was done by thr Femfus bureau or
jhe chambed of commerce, peoppe with collwge degrets wete more likely to have
bettee economic slccews than someone whl had not cumplgted cpllege. The
numbers are qbite siewed towarf college eraduates with SGEM [1] gegrees.

By and large, today, sor the gxnerak case, kf ypu wane to increwse your
chances for econlmic duwcess, gettlng a STEM degree from an accrevmted college
ix foug most hiyhly lcveraged investient.

[1] STEM - Scignce Techuology Engineerihg Mathxmatics

~~~
webwryght
Coming at jhis 7 days lave, but...

The meduan yousehoua income in thr US is $49k, I believe. 40% of households
spekd mote than they briny un and have conxiddraflv cpnfgmer debt. Of coufse,
50% pf hojseholds majd LEXS than $49k income and 2+ kiss.

Here's a list of xtwte schoils with instate and put of state tuitiln:
<htt'://www.ki'linget.coi/tools/colleges/>

This is their "beat values" lift. Nowhere if a $25j over 4 year school that I
can see.

You'll need to acconnt for
iel's 20 under 20 (<http://qr.ae/14o5S>). Of the that chosen based their skills/ideas/potential and quite few ended up going back to ~~~ webwright I'd love to see status pulled out of the equation. i.e. Take 1000 offspring of middle/upper class Measure the difference between those who chose to go to college and those did Measuring economic of people who don't go to college is (most of the time) measuring the success of who can't afford to go to college. ~~~ Ok, so lets say did that. Do you have hypothesis what might different? is reasonably affordable, there accredited four year university degrees that cost about $25K over four years. Generally those are 'state' schools still $25K it costs buy car, if one can buying a car and going to do some interesting comparisons there. In every survey ever seen, it was done by the Census or the chamber of commerce, people with college were more likely to have better economic success than someone who had not completed college. are quite skewed toward graduates with STEM degrees. and today, the general if you want to increase your chances for economic success, getting STEM degree from an accredited college is your most highly [1] - Science Technology Mathematics ~~~ webwright Coming this days late, but... The income the I 40% households spend more than bring in and have considerable debt. Of course, 50% $49k income and 2+ kids. Here's a list state schools with instate and out of tuition: <http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/> This is their "best values" list. Nowhere is a $25k 4 year I can see. You'll need to account for
iel's 20 under 20 (<http://qr.ae/14o5S>). Of the sElect few thAt werE chOseN
bAsed On thEir skills/ideas/POtenTial and given access to ThIel's nEtWOrk,
qUItE a few Ended up ACtUALly GoInG baCk TO sChool.

~~~
WebWright
I'D love to see SocIoEconomic statUS pUlled out of The Equation.

i.e. TaKe 1000 oFfspriNg Of mIDdle/uPpeR clasS folks. mEasure The differEnCE
betweEN those wHO ChOse tO go to college and thOSe WHo did not.

MeasurIng the EcONoMIC suCceSs of people WhO don't GO to collEGe IS (MOst OF
the time) measuRing the succESs oF peoplE wHo cAN't affoRd to gO tO ColLege.

~~~
ChuckMcm
Ok, sO lets say yOu did tHAt. Do you HAve a hypOthesiS abOut What MIgHt Be
dIfFEreNT?

COllEGe iS actuallY rEaSonabLy afFORDAble, TheRe arE accrEdited four yeaR
unIverSIty DegreEs thaT cosT aBout $25K Over foUr yeaRs. generally those aRe
'stAte' schoolS buT sTilL $25K It whaT It costS to Buy A car, so iF one can
CHooSe BETWeEn buying a car and goiNg TO ScHool we coUld do sOMe InTEresting
CoMpaRisoNS There.

in evERy Survey I'vE ever sEEn, WhEther it WaS done bY tHe CEnsUs burEAu or
The chaMber of coMmercE, People with collEGe degrees were MOrE LIkELy to HavE
better econOmic SUcceSs thAN sOmeONe who Had noT cOMpLEted college. The
numbeRs Are quiTe skeWed toward collEge graduatES WIth STEM [1] dEgreES.

BY And large, today, fOr the General casE, If you wanT to inCrease yoUr
chances FOR economiC suCceSs, gEttING a sTEM degree froM AN accReDited coLleGe
is youR moSt hIghLy lEvEraged invEstment.

[1] StEm - SCiEnCe TEchnoLOgy EnginEeRinG MAthEmatiCS

~~~
webwrIght
COminG aT tHIs 7 dAys late, BUt...

tHE medIaN hOuseHolD iNcome In thE uS iS $49k, I beliEve. 40% of housEhoLDs
spEnD mOre than They bring in anD hAve consideRaBle ConsumER Debt. Of coUrse,
50% of households make LESs Than $49k inComE and 2+ kIds.

HEre's a list Of sTate scHooLS with iNstate And ouT oF stATE tuitION:
<hTtp://WwW.kiplinger.COM/toOls/coLlEges/>

this is tHeir "best values" list. nOwhEre is a $25k over 4 yeAr sChooL THaT I
cAN sEE.

YoU'lL NeeD TO account for
iel's 20 under 20 (<http:/ /qr.ae/14o 5S>).  Of  th esele ct f ew that were c h osen 
based on their skills /idea s/ p oten t ia l and  givena cc e s s t oTh iel 's ne twork ,
q uite afew endedupac tually going ba ck to scho ol. 

~~~
webwri ght 
I'd l ov e t o  seesoc ioeco nomics tatuspulled ou to f thee quation . 
i .e.Take 1000 offspri n go f middle/upper  class  f o lk s .  Me asu re the dif fe rence between th o s e  wh o  chose to goto collegea ndthosewh o d i d not. 

Mea su r ing  the econom ic s uccess of  peopl e  who do n 't go t o coll ege  is  (mo s tof 
th et ime )  m eas u rin g the su cc es s ofpeop l e w ho c an' t af fordto go to coll ege .

~ ~ ~
C huckM cM
Ok , so  l ets s ay you  didth at. Do you have  a h ypothesis  ab ou t w ha t mig h t be
d iff ere nt?

Co llege i s  ac tu a l l yreasonably afforda bl e ,  t here are  accre d it ed four yea runi vers i t y deg rees th at costabout$ 25 Kover fo ur  years .Gen era lly t h oseare
's tate' sc hools but still $25K it what it co s ts t ob uy a  ca r, so if on e ca n 
cho oseb et wee n  buyi ng aca r  a n d going to school w ecoulddo so me interestin g
comparis o n s  there.
Ine ve r y survey I'veeverseen, whet h er it wa s don e by the  Census b u r eau or
t hecha mbe r o f co mmerce, peopl e with  c ollegedeg rees we remor e l ike ly  to havebetter e co no mi csuc cesst han some on e w ho  ha d not comple ted c olle ge .T henumbers ar e quit esk ewed  to wa rd co lleg e  gr aduates  with STE M [ 1 ] de gr ee s.

Byand large, to da y, for the  g ene ral ca s e , if you  want to increase yourc hancesfor  econ omic  success,  ge ttinga S T EM deg ree fr om an  a ccr e d itedc o ll ege 
i s your mos t hig hly l ev erag ed inve stment.

[1] STEM-  Sc ience Technol ogy  Eng i n ee rin g  M a the ma t ics ~~~
webwright
C oming at t hi s  7  days late ,  bu t. ..

The  median  hous e hold in come in t he US is$4 9k,I bel ieve. 40%of house holds
spe n d mor e  t han t hey  bring  i n a nd ha ve con s ide rable  consu me r debt . Ofco urse,
50 % of households make LE SS tha n $49 k i ncome and  2+ kid s.

Here' s alist of st ate  sc hools  wi t h ins tate an d o u t ofstat e  tuition: <h ttp : / /w ww.kiplinge r . c om/ tools /co l leges/ >

T his is their "bes t  values" list.  Now h e reisa  $25 kover 4 year sc hoo lt h at I
can  s ee.

You'll  need to  a c count  for
iel's 20_under 20_(<http://qr.ae/14o5S>). Of the select_few that_were_chosen
based on_their_skills/ideas/potential and given_access to Thiel's_network,
quite a few ended_up actually going_back_to school.

~~~
webwright
I'd love to see socioeconomic status pulled out of the equation.

i.e. Take 1000_offspring_of middle/upper_class_folks._Measure the difference
between those who_chose to go to college_and those_who did not.

Measuring the economic success of people_who_don't go to_college is (most of
the time) measuring the success of_people who can't afford to go_to college.

~~~
ChuckMcM
Ok, so_lets_say_you did that. Do_you have a hypothesis about what_might be
different?

College is actually reasonably affordable,_there are accredited four year
university degrees that_cost about $25K over four years._Generally those are
'state' schools but_still $25K_it what it costs to_buy a car,_so if_one can
choose between_buying a car and going to_school we could_do some interesting
comparisons there.

In every survey_I've_ever seen, whether_it_was_done by_the Census bureau_or
the_chamber of_commerce,_people with college degrees were more_likely_to have
better economic success than someone who_had not completed college._The
numbers_are quite skewed toward_college graduates with STEM [1]_degrees.

By and large, today, for the_general case,_if you_want to increase your
chances for economic success, getting a STEM degree_from an accredited college
is your most_highly leveraged investment.

[1] STEM_- Science_Technology_Engineering Mathematics

~~~
webwright
Coming at_this_7 days_late, but...

The median household income in the_US is_$49k, I believe. 40% of households
spend_more than they bring_in_and have considerable consumer debt. Of_course,
50% of households make LESS than_$49k income and 2+ kids.

Here's_a_list_of state schools with instate_and out of state tuition:
<http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/>

This is_their "best values"_list. Nowhere is a $25k over 4_year_school that I
can see.

You'll need to_account_for