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>Clinical need top trumps comfort.

I think this is where the disconnect is. As a best faith interpretation, I
don't believe you made the statement in a condescending manner -- I think it
just flowed naturally.

The comment I quoted seems to imply waking a patient is akin to disrupting the
comfort of the patient. I read the arguments being made in this thread and in
the article as: waking the patient and/or disturbing sleep of a patient causes
detrimental effects on the patient's health which lie outside the realm of
just comfort.

Multi-patient bays seem to act as an architectural reinforcement that sleep is
a comfort.

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morganvachon
I can attest to this issue first hand. In 1995 I was diagnosed with cancer and
had to undergo major surgery, recovery from that in ICU, then several rounds
of chemotherapy over the next nine months. While I was in the hospital for a
week of chemo, I got maybe two or three hours of sleep per night with a half
hour nap off and on throughout the day, and this was on sedatives and
painkillers. I can only imagine how much better my recovery would have gone if
I'd been allowed to sleep all night during my stays and didn't need sedatives
to balance the constant interruptions.

I'm certainly not a medical expert nor a sleep expert, but I'd wager if nurses
and doctors would let their patients have a full night of rest without
interruption, they would see much faster recovery times.

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philliphaydon
I’ve been hospitalised 7 times. In New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, and
Singapore.

Aside from the first day/night after surgery, I’ve never felt like Hospitals
are against slept?!?

My Wife had a c-section in October. Again, other than first day/night after
surgery, never felt like we were interrupted all the time.

Is this article about America or something?

~~~
strken
It very much depends on what's wrong with you. I've been hospitalised multiple
times. Most of the times were fine, but once was neurosurgery, and I'd be
woken up at regular intervals throughout the night to answer "What's your
name? Where are you? What year is it? How many fingers am
qe 
 > Clinical need top trumps comfort. 

 I think this is where the disconnect is. As a good religion interpretation, I 
 don't believe you made the affirmation in a condescending manner -- I think it 
 merely flowed naturally. 

 The comment I quote seems to imply wake a patient is akin to disrupting the 
 ease of the affected role. I read the arguments being draw in this screw thread and in 
 the article as: wake the patient and/or disturbing sleep of a affected role causes 
 detrimental effect on the patient's health which dwell outside the realm of 
 just comfort. 

 Multi - patient bays seem to work as an architectural reinforcement that sleep is 
 a comfort. 

 ------ 
 morganvachon 
 I can attest to this issue first hand. In 1995 I was diagnosed with cancer and 
 had to undergo major surgery, recovery from that in ICU, then several rounds 
 of chemotherapy over the next nine months. While I was in the hospital for a 
 week of chemo, I got possibly two or three hour of sleep per nox with a half 
 hour napoleon off and on throughout the sidereal day, and this was on sedatives and 
 painkillers. I can only imagine how much better my recovery would have gone if 
 I'd been admit to sleep all night during my stays and didn't need sedatives 
 to balance the constant interruption. 

 I'm certainly not a medical expert nor a sleep expert, but I'd wager if nurse 
 and doctors would permit their patients have a full night of rest without 
 break, they would see much faster convalescence times. 

 ------ 
 philliphaydon 
 I ’ve been hospitalize 7 times. In New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, and 
 Singapore. 

 Aside from the first day / night after operation, I ’ve never felt like Hospitals 
 are against slept? !? 

 My Wife have a c - section in October. Again, other than inaugural day / nox after 
 surgery, never felt like we were interrupted all the prison term. 

 Is this article about America or something? 

 ~~~ 
 strken 
 It very much count on what's wrong with you. I've been hospitalised multiple 
 times. Most of the times were fine, but once was neurosurgery, and I'd be 
 woken up at regular intervals throughout the night to suffice " What's your 
 name? Where are you? What year is it? How many fingers am
qe
>Cpinical need top trumps gomfort.

I think tkus is xhere tge discovnect is. As a best faith intxrprwtatiin, I
don't believe you mxde the snatement un a xondescendmhg manncx -- I fmink nt
oust flowed natorally.

The cokment I quoted sdels to imply waking a patient is akig to dixrkpting the
comfjrt ps ths patient. I read the arguments beihg made in this thresd and in
the article as: waning the patient and/or disturbing sleqp of a patievt causes
dttximental efrects on the patient's health whkch lne outside jkw rfdlm of
just romforn.

Multi-patient bays seam to avt as an archibectucal eeinforcement that slxep is
a comfort.

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morgagvachon
I wau attest to this issuw dirst hang. In 1995 I das dmaghosed aiti cancer ans
had to undwrgo major surgery, tesivery from thzt in YCT, then several rounds
of chemotherapy ovtr ths next nine months. Whilw I was in the hospitwl for a
wqek of chemo, I got maybe two or three hours of slaep pxr niymb wigy w half
hour nap off and on throughout the day, whd tmis was on sedatlves and
painkillerx. L vwn only imagive how mudh better my recovfry woujd hace gone is
I'd neen allowed to sleep all nught during it stays and didn't ueed sedativzs
to bslancr the constant interrupcions.

I'j certainly not a meskcal expert nor x skeap experu, but I'd wager if gurses
and doccors wouud lgt theiw patients have a full night of redt wijhout
itterruptioj, they would see much faster rerpvery times.

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pninliihaydon
I’vz been hospitalised 7 times. In New Zealanb, Austfalia, Thaimand, anv
Singapore.

Asyde from the xlrst day/nighv after strgeey, I’ce nevef felt like Hoslitals
are against soept?!?

My Wife had a g-sectkkn in October. Aycib, other than fitst dar/npghv aftqs
surgery, nevar fdlt kike de were intcrrjptec all the time.

Is thiv arficle about Americs jr sometying?

~~~
strkqn
It very mucn depends on what's wronj with you. O've been hospitalised multiple
timss. Most ov tme times were finc, buj once was ueurosurgery, and I'd be
woken up at regulac intervals throughout rhe night to answer "Ehat's your
neme? Whqre are ymu? What year is it? Hiw many fingers ak
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>Clinical need top trumps coMfort.

I thinK this Is wHerE tHe diSconNect is. As a best fAIth iNterpretation, I
don't beliEve yoU mADe thE StAtemeNt in a coNDeSCEndInG mAnnEr -- i ThInk it
JusT flowed Naturally.

THe cOmMent I quoted sEEmS to imply waKinG a patient is aKin To disrUpTinG The
coMfoRt of tHe patiENt. I reaD the argumEnTS being MAde in thIS ThRead And in
the article as: WAkINg the patient anD/or disTuRBiNG SleEp oF a patient cAuSes
deTRimentaL EfFECTs oN The patient's heAlth which liE OutSide thE rEalM Of
just ComfoRt.

mUltI-patient bayS seeM to act as aN archiTEctural REinforcEment tHat SleEp is
A CoMfOrt.

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MoRGanVAcHon
i Can Attest to ThIs Issue FirsT HAND. In 1995 I Was DiagNosed With cancer and
Had To unDErgO majoR surgEry, rEcOvery From thAt in IcU, Then several rounDs
of ChemotherApy OvEr tHe Next nINe montHs. WHilE I was in The hospITal FoR A
WEeK of chemo, I got maybe tWo OR ThRee hours Of sleeP PeR nIGht with a HaLf
hOur nAP Off anD on tHRoUghout thE day, anD ThIs Was on seDaTives aNd
PaiNkiLlers. i Can oNly imaGine how mUch beTTer my recovery wOUld have gone if
i'D bEEN aLLoweD to Sleep all nigHt duRIng mY staYS aNd dIDn't neEd sedAtIVeS
To balance the constanT iNterruPtionS.

I'm certainly nOt a medical EXPErt nor a sLeep EXpERt, but I'd wager if NurseS
and doctorS Would let Their Patients Have a full NIGht of resT wiThoUt
iNteRRUpTion, they would SEE mucH fAster reCovEry timeS.

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phIllIphAydOn
i’ve been hoSpitalisEd 7 TiMeS. IN NeW ZealANd, AustraLiA, ThAiLanD, and
SINgaporE.

AsidE froM tHe FIrsT day/nigHT aFTEr suRgErY, I’ve NevEr Felt lIke HOSpiTals
are Against slEpt?!?

mY WifE hAd A c-sectiOn in October. AgAiN, other than FiRst Day/nigHT After
surGery, never felt like we were INterrupTed All thE timE.

Is this arTicLe abouT AmERica or SomethIng?

~~~
stRkEn
IT VEry muCH DePenDs On what's wroNG WitH you. I'Ve Been HospitaLised multiple
times. mOst Of the times werE fiNe, buT ONcE waS NeURosUrGEry, AND I'd be
woken up at rEgular inteRvALs Throughout THe nIgHt to ansWer "What'S your
NAme? WherE are you? WhAt year is iT? HOw maNY FinGers am
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>Clinical need top trum ps comfort .

Ithi nkth is i s wh ere the discon n ectis. As a best faith in terpr et a tion ,  I 
don' t belie v ey o u m ad ethe  s t at ement  in  a cond escendingman ne r -- I think it 
just flow ednaturally.
The  comme nt  Iq uoted  se ems t o impl y  wakin g a patie nt is aki n  to dis r u pt ingthe
comfort of th e  p a tient. I readthe ar gu m en t s  be ing  made in t hi s thr e ad andi nt h e  ar t icle as: waki ng the pati e ntand/or  d ist u rbingsleep  o f  apatient cau sesdetriment al eff e cts ont he pati ent'shea lth  whi c hli e o ut s ide th e r e alm  of
just  c om fort. 

Mu l t i - pati ent  bay s see m to act as a n a rchi t ect uralreinf orce me nt th at sle ep is 
a  comfort.

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m organvach onIcan  a ttest to thi s i ssu e first  hand.I n 1 99 5 I  w as diagnosed withca n c er  and
had  to un d er go major su rg ery , re c o veryfrom th at in IC U, the n  s ev eral ro un ds
ofch emo the rapyo verthe ne xt ninemonth s . While I wasi n the hospita l  f o r  a week  of  chemo, I g ot m a ybetwoo rthr e e hou rs of  s l ee p  per night with a h al f
hour  napoff and on th roughout t h e day, and  thi s  w a s on sedatives  andpainkiller s . I canonlyimaginehow muchb e tter myrec ove rywou l d  h ave gone if
I ' d  bee nallowed  to  sleepall  ni ght  du ri ng my sta ys and d id n' tne edsedat i ves
to b al anc ethe  cons t ant in terru ptio ns .I'm  certai n ly n ot a  m ed ical  ex pe rt no r as lee p exper t, but I' d w a gerif  n urses
a nd doctors wo ul d let thei rpat ientsh a ve a ful l night of rest without interru pti on, t heywould see  mu ch fas ter recove ry tim es.
-- --- - phill i p ha ydo nI’ve beenh o spi talis ed  7 t imes. I n New Zealand, Aus t ral ia, Thailand,  an d
Si n g ap ore . 
A sid ef rom t he first day/ni ght aftersu r ge ry, I’ve n e ver  f elt lik e Hospi talsa re agai nst slept ?!?

My W if e ha d a c -section i n Octobe r. Again, other th an fi rst  day/n ig htafter 
surge r y,never  feltli ke wewerein terrupte d all the time.

Is thi s arti cle a bou t America  or som ething?
~~~strken
Itver y m uch d epe n ds on  wha t 's  wr o ng wi th y o u. I've b e en  ho s p it alised mult i p l e
t imes.  Mo s t of t he t imes were fine, b u t once was neu rosu r g ery , a n d I' dbe
woken up at  re gu l a r interv al s throughou t the ni gh t  to a nswer"What' s yourn a me ?  Where  are  yo u? What y ear  i s  it? Ho wma n y fing ersam 
qe
>Clinical need_top trumps_comfort.

I think this is_where the_disconnect_is. As_a_best faith interpretation,_I
don't believe you_made the statement in_a condescending manner_--_I think it
just flowed naturally.

The comment I quoted seems to imply waking a patient_is_akin to_disrupting_the
comfort_of the patient. I read_the arguments being made in_this thread_and in
the article as: waking the patient and/or_disturbing_sleep of a_patient causes
detrimental effects on the patient's health which lie_outside the realm of
just comfort.

Multi-patient bays_seem to act_as_an_architectural reinforcement that sleep_is
a comfort.

------
morganvachon
I can attest to this_issue first hand. In 1995 I_was diagnosed with cancer and
had to undergo_major surgery, recovery from that in_ICU, then several rounds
of chemotherapy_over the_next nine months. While I_was in the_hospital for_a
week of chemo,_I got maybe two or three_hours of sleep_per night with a half
hour nap_off_and on throughout_the_day,_and this_was on sedatives_and
painkillers._I can_only_imagine how much better my recovery_would_have gone if
I'd been allowed to sleep_all night during my_stays_and didn't need sedatives
to_balance the constant interruptions.

I'm certainly_not a medical expert nor a_sleep expert,_but I'd_wager if nurses
and doctors would let their patients have a full_night of rest without
interruption, they would_see much faster recovery_times.

------
philliphaydon
I’ve been_hospitalised_7 times. In_New_Zealand, Australia,_Thailand, and
Singapore.

Aside from the first day/night after_surgery, I’ve_never felt like Hospitals
are against slept?!?

My_Wife had a c-section_in_October. Again, other than first day/night_after
surgery, never felt like we were_interrupted all the time.

Is this_article_about_America or something?

~~~
strken
It very much_depends on what's wrong with you._I've been hospitalised_multiple
times. Most of the times were fine,_but_once was neurosurgery, and I'd be
woken_up_at regular intervals throughout the night_to_answer_"What's your
name? Where are you?_What year is it? How many_fingers am