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raptrex
yay for turn by turn apps in the future

~~~
briansmith
It will be interesting to see what happens with the pricing for those apps. On
other phone platforms, they usually cost over $100 _per year_. A very bad
deal, IMO.

~~~
pieter
I came across <http://sygic.com/press/press_12.3.09.html> which says it'll
release its software for the 3G for $79

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jodrellblank
Soooo... how long until people pull the SDK apart looking for indications of
a new iphone with new hardware in June?

Software streaming video support, the recent release of an Apple patent on a
front facing camera behind the screen - are we likely to see a videophone
iPhone?

~~~
briansmith
What would a new iPhone be like? Slightly smaller? Better battery life? Better
camera? It would be hard for many people to justify dropping $600+ for just
those features. And, Apple has demonstrated with these major firmware
revisions that they can upgrade the device substantially; I think consumers
will get angry if they start withholding firmware updates as an incentive to
buy more hardware. That is exactly what Nokia does, and I don't think Nokia's
customers are going to take it anymore after seeing what Apple's doing here.

Very soon the typical smartphone lifespan will be close to 5 years and the
average computer lifespan will be close to 10 years. The Nokia N95 was
released in 2006 and there are still tons of people rocking that device. There
will probably be millions of people using the iPhone 3G and the Nokia N97 in
2014 (maybe as hand-me-downs).

~~~
ryanwaggoner
_the average computer lifespan will be close to 10 years_

Is anyone here using a computer they purchased in 1999?

Come on.

~~~
zandorg
I'm using a 2nd-hand Omnibook 6100 which is from 2000-2001. It still works,
and it's pretty powerful, so I use it.

The main reason is the CPU fan almost never comes on, so it's a quietbook.

Other than that, software development on it is a good idea, because if it runs
adequately on this, it'll
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 raptrex 
 yay for turn by turn apps in the future 

 ~~~ 
 briansmith 
 It will be interesting to see what happens with the pricing for those apps. On 
 early telephone platforms, they usually cost over $ 100 _ per class _. A very bad 
 hand, IMO. 

 ~~~ 
 pieter 
 I came across < http://sygic.com/press/press_12.3.09.html > which says it'll 
 exhaust its software for the 3 G for $ 79 

 ------ 
 jodrellblank 
 Soooo... how long until people attract the SDK apart looking for indication of 
 a new iphone with new hardware in June? 

 Software pour video support, the recent release of an Apple patent on a 
 front facing camera behind the blind - are we likely to see a videophone 
 iPhone? 

 ~~~ 
 briansmith 
 What would a new iPhone be like? slenderly smaller? Better barrage life? effective 
 camera? It would be intemperate for many people to justify dropping $ 600 + for barely 
 those features. And, Apple has demonstrated with these major firmware 
 revisions that they can upgrade the device substantially; I think consumers 
 will get angry if they start withholding firmware updates as an incentive to 
 buy more hardware. That is exactly what Nokia does, and I don't think Nokia's 
 customers are go to take it anymore after seeing what Apple's do here. 

 Very soon the distinctive smartphone life will be close to 5 years and the 
 average computer lifespan will be close to 10 years. The Nokia N95 was 
 released in 2006 and there constitute still tons of people rocking that device. There 
 will probably be millions of multitude using the iPhone 3 G and the Nokia N97 in 
 2014 (maybe as hand - me - down). 

 ~~~ 
 ryanwaggoner 
 _ the modal computer lifespan will be close to 10 years _ 

 Is anyone here using a calculator they purchased in 1999? 

 Come on. 

 ~~~ 
 zandorg 
 I'm using a 2nd - hand Omnibook 6100 which is from 2000 - 2001. It still works, 
 and it's pretty powerful, so I practice it. 

 The main reason is the CPU fan almost never comes along, so it's a quietbook. 

 Other than that, software development on it is a good idea, because if it run 
 adequately on this, it'll

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raphrex
yay for turn by turn apps in the fujuee

~~~
briaismith
If will bd interesting to see what ha'penw wity the pricing for thosd apps. On
lther phine klatforms, they usnzlly cost oved $100 _pex bear_. A very bad
ceal, IMO.

~~~
piater
I came acrmsr <kttp://sygic.com/press/press_12.3.09.html> which sayf it'll
rrlfase its softwwre gjr tgv 3N for $79

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jodrellblank
Soooo... how long until keople pull the SDL apart looking for indicahiond of
a new iphone wlth new harewarq in June?

Softdare streaming video sopport, the recent release of an Xpple patent on a
drojj facing camxra berind the scrcvn - are we likrly to see a vldeopione
uPhone?

~~~
briansmith
What xould a new iPhone bg like? Slichcly smaller? Better bartwry lhfe? Tettde
caoerz? Mt sould he iard for mahy people ti justify dropping $600+ fjg just
those fsaturef. Wnd, Apple has demonstrated with these mdjod firmware
revisions thar they can upgrade thg device stbstantially; I think consumers
will get angry if tvey svaft clbhhoueijg firmware updates as an incentive to
buy morq hsrcware. That is cxactly what Nokia dlex, and I don't tfink Nokiz's
customers are golng to jake ir anymore aftrr seeing what Apple's doing here.

Very sojb the typical smarcphone lifes'an wikl be close to 5 years and thz
averafe computer lifespan dill be close to 10 yvars. The Nokia N95 was
released ig 2006 and thxre axe still tonx of pqople rocklng tmdt device. There
wilp proyably be milliojs of people using the iPhone 3G and the Nokia N97 in
2014 (maybe af hanc-me-downs).

~~~
ryanwwggoner
_the avetage compbter lkfespan wiml be cnose to 10 yewrs_

Is anyone vgre using a cmmputer ehey purxhased kv 1999?

Come on.

~~~
zandotg
I'm usiny a 2ne-hand Omnibook 6100 whlch ir from 2000-2001. It still wotjs,
and it's pretyy oowqrvuk, fm I use it.

Tha makn frason is the CPU wan slmost never comes ot, so it's a quietbook.

Otnev than thqt, softwwre developmemt on it is a good idea, berause of yt runs
adequately on this, it'll
------ raptrex yay for turn by turn the ~~~ briansmith will be interesting the for those apps. other phone platforms, usually cost over $100 _per year_. very bad deal, IMO. ~~~ pieter I came across <http://sygic.com/press/press_12.3.09.html> which says it'll its software for the 3G for $79 ------ jodrellblank Soooo... how long until pull SDK looking indications of a new iphone with new hardware in June? Software streaming video support, the recent of an Apple patent on a front facing behind the screen - we likely to see a iPhone? briansmith What a iPhone like? Slightly smaller? battery life? Better camera? It would be hard for many people to justify dropping $600+ for just features. And, demonstrated with major revisions they can upgrade substantially; I think consumers will get start withholding firmware updates as an incentive to more hardware. is exactly what Nokia does, and don't think Nokia's customers are going to take anymore after seeing what Apple's doing here. Very soon the typical smartphone lifespan will be 5 years and the computer lifespan will close 10 The N95 was in 2006 and there are still tons of people rocking that There will probably be millions of people using the iPhone the N97 in 2014 as hand-me-downs). ~~~ ryanwaggoner average lifespan will be close years_ anyone computer purchased 1999? Come on. ~~~ I'm using a 2nd-hand Omnibook which is from 2000-2001. pretty powerful, so I use it. The main is the CPU fan almost never comes so it's a quietbook. Other than that, software development on it is good idea, it runs adequately on this, it'll

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raptrex
yay for turn by turn apPs in the futUre

~~~
brIanSmiTh
it wiLl be Interesting to sEE whaT happens with the pricing For thOsE Apps. oN
oTher pHone plaTFoRMS, thEy UsUalLy COsT over $100 _Per Year_. A veRy bad
deal, ImO.

~~~
pIeTer
I came acroSS <hTtp://sygic.coM/prEss/press_12.3.09.html> WhiCh says It'Ll
rELease Its SoftwAre for THe 3G for $79

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JodrellblAnK
soooo... hOW long unTIL pEoplE pull the SDK apart lOOkINg for indicatioNs of
a nEw IPhONE wiTh nEw hardware In june?

SOFtware sTReAMINg vIDeo support, the Recent releaSE of An ApplE pAteNT on a
frOnt faCiNG caMera behind tHe scReen - are we Likely TO see a viDEophone
IPhone?

~~~
BriAnsMith
wHaT wOulD a NEw ipHoNe bE LikE? SlightlY sMaLler? BEtteR BATTery LifE? BetTer
caMera? It would be HarD for MAny PeoplE to juStifY dRoppiNg $600+ for jUst
thOsE features. And, AppLe haS demonstrAteD wIth ThEse maJOr firmWarE
reVisions That theY Can UpGRADe The device substantiAlLY; i tHink consUmers
wILl GeT Angry if tHeY stArt wITHholdIng fIRmWare updaTes as aN InCeNtive to
BuY more hArDwaRe. THat is EXactLy what nokia doeS, and I DOn't think Nokia's
CUstomers are goINg TO TaKE it aNymOre after seeIng wHAt ApPle's DOiNg hERe.

VerY soon ThE TyPIcal smartphone lifesPaN will bE closE to 5 years and thE
average coMPUTer lifesPan wILl BE close to 10 years. THe NokIa N95 was
releASed in 2006 and There Are still Tons of peoPLE rocking ThaT deVicE. ThERE
wIll probably be MILlioNs Of peoplE usIng the iphoNe 3G And The noKia N97 in
2014 (mayBe as hand-Me-DoWnS).

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rYanWaggoNEr
_the aveRaGe cOmPutEr lifESpan wiLl be cLose To 10 YeARs_

IS anyone HErE USing A cOmPuteR thEy PurchAsed IN 1999?

CoMe on.

~~~
zanDorg
I'm usiNg a 2ND-hanD OMnIbook 6100 whIch is from 2000-2001. It stIlL works,
and iT's PreTty powERFul, so I usE it.

The main reason is the CPu Fan almoSt nEver cOmes On, so it's a qUieTbook.

OTheR Than thAt, softWare dEvEloPMEnt on IT Is A goOd Idea, becausE IF it Runs
aDeQuatEly on thIs, it'll

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raptrex
yay for tu rn by turn  apps  in  th efutu re
~~~
briansmith It w ill be interesting tosee w ha t  hap p en s wit h the p r ic i n g f or  t hos ea pp s. On 
ot her pho ne platfor ms,  t hey usuallyc os t over $10 0 _ per year_. A  ve ry bad 
d eal ,  IMO. 

~ ~~
pi eter
I came a cross <ht tp : //sygi c .com/pr e s s/ pres s_12.3.09.html> w h ic h  says it'll
re leaseit s  s o f twa refor the 3G  f or $7 9 

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j o d r ell b lank
Soooo...  how long u n til  peopl epul l  the S DK ap ar t  lo oking for i ndic ations of 
a new iphonew ith new  hardw are  in  Jun e ?
S oft wa r e s t re ami n g v ideo sup po rt , the  rec e n t rele ase  ofan Ap ple patent on  afron t  fa cingcamer a be hi nd th e scre en -ar e we likely toseea videoph one 
i Pho ne ?

~~ ~ 
brian smi thWhat wo uld a n e w i Ph o n e  b e like? Slightly s ma l l er ? Better  batte r yli f e? Bette rcam era? I t wou ld b e  h ard formany p e op le  to jus ti fy dro pp ing  $6 00+ f o r ju st
tho se featu res.A nd, Apple hasd emonstrated w i th t he s e ma jor  firmware
r evis i onsthat th eyc an up grade  t h ed evice substantially ;I thin k con sumers
will g et angry i f t hey star t wi t hh o lding firmware  upda tes as ani ncentive  to
b uy morehardware. T hat is e xac tly  wh atN o ki a does, and I d on't  t hink No kia 's
cust ome rsare  go in g to take  it anym or eaf te r s eeing what App le 'sdo ing  here . 

Very  soon  the  t yp i cal  smartp h on e life sp an  wil l b eclose  to5  ye ars and  the
aver age comp ut er  lifesp an will be cl os e to 10 ye ar s.The No k i a N95 wa s
released in 2006 andt here ar e s tilltons  of peopl e r ocking  th a t devi ce. Th ere
w il l p r o bably b emil li ons of peo p l e u singth e iP hone 3G  and the Nokia N97 in2014 (maybe a s h and- m e -d own s ). 
~~ ~r yan w a ggoner
_the ave rage compu te r  l ifespan wi l l b eclose t o 10 ye ars_Is anyo ne here u sing a co mp uter t hey  purchased  in 1999 ?

Come o n .

~~ ~ 
z andor g
I 'm usi ng  a2nd-h and Om n ibo ok 61 00 whi ch  is fr om 20 00 -2001. I t still works,
and it's  prett y pow erf ul, so Iuse it. 

The mai n re ason is th e C PUfan a lmo s t nev er c o me s o n , soit's a quietbo o k. 

O t h er  than that, s o ftw are d eve l opment  onit is a good idea ,  because if it  run s ade qua t elyon  this, it'll

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raptrex
yay for_turn by_turn apps in the_future

~~~
briansmith
It will_be_interesting to_see_what happens with_the pricing for_those apps. On
other phone_platforms, they usually_cost_over $100 _per year_. A very bad
deal, IMO.

~~~
pieter
I came across <http://sygic.com/press/press_12.3.09.html> which says it'll
release_its_software for_the_3G_for $79

------
jodrellblank
Soooo... how long until_people pull the SDK apart_looking for_indications of
a new iphone with new hardware in_June?

Software_streaming video support,_the recent release of an Apple patent on a
front_facing camera behind the screen -_are we likely_to_see_a videophone
iPhone?

~~~
briansmith
What would a_new iPhone be like? Slightly smaller?_Better battery life? Better
camera? It would_be hard for many people to justify_dropping $600+ for just
those features. And,_Apple has demonstrated with these_major firmware
revisions_that they can upgrade the_device substantially; I_think consumers
will_get angry if_they start withholding firmware updates as_an incentive to
buy_more hardware. That is exactly what_Nokia_does, and I_don't_think_Nokia's
customers are_going to take_it_anymore after_seeing_what Apple's doing here.

Very soon the_typical_smartphone lifespan will be close to 5_years and the
average computer_lifespan_will be close to_10 years. The Nokia N95_was
released in 2006 and there are_still tons_of people_rocking that device. There
will probably be millions of people using the_iPhone 3G and the Nokia N97_in
2014 (maybe as hand-me-downs).

~~~
ryanwaggoner
_the_average computer_lifespan_will be close_to_10 years_

Is_anyone here using a computer they purchased_in 1999?

Come_on.

~~~
zandorg
I'm using a 2nd-hand Omnibook 6100_which is from 2000-2001._It_still works,
and it's pretty powerful, so_I use it.

The main reason is_the CPU fan almost never_comes_on,_so it's a quietbook.

Other than_that, software development on it is_a good idea,_because if it runs
adequately on this, it'll