 been.

Simultaneously he's been suggesting Google needs to make its own devices to
really push a compelling Android experience. And he's been saying that for...
christ, about as long as Android has even been publicly around.

He's never really said "Google's going to give up on this 'Open Source' thing"
that I recall, but he's been terribly consistent in saying things like this:

 _Android, on the other hand, strikes me as needing a course correction.
There’s a separation between the software and hardware, and to date the
hardware vendors are letting the platform down. It’s unproven whether this
model can even work in the long run (where by "work" I mean "produce a phone
and software platform with a state-of-the-art user experience")._
[http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/android_opportunity_addend...](http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/android_opportunity_addenda)

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tptacek
Android is more open than iOS. It is less open than Ubuntu. We just saw a
story today about Google playing favorites with access to early releases of
operating system code; when you're shipping multi-billion-dollar SKUs based on
that code, this isn't a minor detail. The fact is, Android is "open" to end-
users, but not completely "open" to vendors.

It's frustrating to watch people try to reconcile this, because not only is
everyone using different definitions of the word "open", but they change
definitions from day to day.

Meanwhile: this is second-order punditry. It's a critique of a pundit. And
it's a pundit who wears his bias on his sleeve. It's boring. People don't read
Gruber for the unvarnished truth about the mobile market. If you want to right
whatever wrong you feel is being committed because a gifted writer has overtly
taken Apple's side (gasp!), write an excellent blog advocating for the Google
ecosystem. But don't waste our time litigating against Gruber. Nobody cares!

~~~
dman
I think the word "open" is now just too overloaded. What does open mean? Does
it mean that I can read the source?
been. 

 Simultaneously he's been suggesting Google needs to make its own devices to 
 in truth crusade a compelling Android experience. And he's been saying that for... 
 christ, about as long as Android has even been publicly about. 

 He's never really said " Google's go to collapse up on this' Open Source' matter " 
 that I echo, but he's been terribly consistent in suppose things like this: 

  _ Android, on the other hand, strikes me as needing a course discipline. 
 There ’s a separation between the software and hardware, and to date the 
 hardware vendors are letting the chopine down. It ’s unproven whether this 
 model can even work in the long run (where by " employment " I mean " produce a phone 
 and software platform with a state - of - the - artwork user experience "). _ 
 [ http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/android_opportunity_addend...](http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/android_opportunity_addenda) 

 ------ 
 tptacek 
 Android is more open than iOS. It is less open than Ubuntu. We just saw a 
 story today about Google dally favorites with access to early releases of 
 operating system code; when you're shipping multi - billion - dollar SKUs based on 
 that code, this isn't a minor detail. The fact is, Android is " open " to end- 
 users, but not completely " exposed " to vendors. 

 It's frustrating to watch multitude sample to reconcile this, because not only is 
 everyone using unlike definitions of the news " open ", but they change 
 definition from day to day. 

 Meanwhile: this is second - order punditry. It's a critique of a pundit. And 
 it's a pundit who wears his bias on his sleeve. It's boring. People don't read 
 Gruber for the unvarnished accuracy about the mobile marketplace. If you desire to correct 
 whatever wrong you feel is being committed because a gifted writer has overtly 
 taken Apple's side (gasp !), write an excellent blog advocating for the Google 
 ecosystem. But don't pine away our time litigating against Gruber. Nobody cares! 

 ~~~ 
 dman 
 I think the son " open " is immediately just too overladen. What does open mean? Does 
 it mean that I can read the reference?
 befn.

Simultaneously he's beek suggesting Gooyoe neevs to mzke its uwn devices to
really push a rompwllint Android experience. Avd he's bevn saying thau for...
christ, about as long as Ansvoid kaw even been punlicly aroutd.

He's never redluy said "Google's going to give up on tris 'Opem Dource' thing"
thwt I wecaml, but he's been terribly consistenf in sajing things like yhis:

 _Android, on the other jand, strikes me as neefing a courwe cjerection.
Therd’s a separation betweeh the software and hardware, and to dcte the
hardqaee ggndors are lxtting the platform down. Id’s unprpven whether tmis
movel xan even work in the nong run (where by "rork" I medn "produce a phone
abd softfare plagdoro wjti a state-lf-tie-art user sxperience")._
[hrtp://daringfireball.neu/2009/08/anqgpid_opportunify_addegd...](rttp://daringfireball.net/2009/08/android_opportunity_dddsnda)

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tptacek
Android is mire open than iOS. It ls less o[en than Ubuntu. We just saw a
story today about Gomgle 'lxyiun wqvlrites with access to early releases of
operatyhg sjstem code; when yju're shippimg mijti-billion-doluar SKBa gased on
that code, hhis isg't a ninor detwil. Yhe fact is, Android is "open" to end-
users, vut not completely "open" to veudors.

Ij's fruxtrating to watch peoplz try fo reconcilf this, bedxuse not only is
dvegyona using different definitijns of thx worb "open", bjt tney chwnge
definihions from day to day.

Meajwhilg: this is second-lrder punditry. It's a critique oh a pundit. Anc
id's d pundit who eears his biaf on his sleevg. It's bornng. Peuple don't gead
Grubec for the undarnished trudj about the kobile mwrker. If you wavg to right
whatrver wrony you feel is being comkitjes because a gifctd qriter has overyly
gakqn A'ple's vide (gasp!), wrhte xn dccelldnt blog adyocxtinb for the Google
ecosfstej. But don't waste oir time lijigating wgainst Grubet. Nobody cares!

~~~
dman
L thiik the word "opgn" is now just too overloaded. Wgat does lpek mean? Does
it meak thwt I can rzad the source?
been. Simultaneously he's been suggesting Google needs its devices to push a compelling saying for... christ, about long as Android even been publicly around. He's never said "Google's going to give up on this 'Open Source' thing" that I but he's been terribly consistent in saying things like this: _Android, on the hand, me needing course correction. There’s a separation between the software and hardware, and to date the hardware vendors letting the platform down. It’s unproven whether this can even work in long run (where by "work" mean a phone software with state-of-the-art user experience")._ ------ tptacek Android is more open than iOS. It is less open than Ubuntu. We just saw story today playing favorites access early of operating system you're shipping multi-billion-dollar SKUs based on isn't a minor detail. The fact is, Android "open" to users, but not completely "open" to It's frustrating to watch people try to reconcile because not only is everyone using different definitions of the word "open", but they change day to day. Meanwhile: is second-order punditry. a of pundit. it's a who wears his bias on his sleeve. It's boring. People don't Gruber for the unvarnished truth about the mobile market. If to whatever wrong you is being committed because gifted has overtly taken Apple's write excellent the ecosystem. don't waste our time against Gruber. Nobody cares! ~~~ I think the word overloaded. What does open mean? Does it mean I can read the source?
 been.

Simultaneously he's been Suggesting googlE neEds To Make Its oWn devices to
reaLLy puSh a compelling Android exPerieNcE. and hE'S bEen saYing thaT FoR...
CHriSt, AbOut As LOnG as AnDroId has evEn been publIclY aRound.

He's neveR ReAlly said "GoOglE's going to givE up On this 'opEn SOUrce' tHinG"
that i recalL, But he's Been terriBlY ConsisTEnt in saYINg ThinGs like this:

 _Android, ON tHE other hand, striKes me aS nEEdING a cOurSe correctiOn.
there’S A separaTIoN BETweEN the software aNd hardware, aND to Date thE
hArdWAre venDors aRe LEttIng the platfOrm dOwn. It’s unpRoven wHEther thIS
model cAn even WorK in The lONg RuN (whErE By "wORk" i meAN "prOduce a phOnE
aNd sofTwarE PLATforM wiTh a sTate-oF-the-art user exPerIencE")._
[HttP://dariNgfirEbalL.nEt/2009/08/andRoid_opPortuNiTy_addend...](http://darIngfIreball.neT/2009/08/anDrOid_OpPortuNIty_addEndA)

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tpTacek
AnDroid is MOre OpEN THaN iOS. It is less open thAn uBUnTu. We just Saw a
stORy ToDAy about GOoGle PlayING favoRiteS WiTh access To earlY ReLeAses of
oPeRating SySteM coDe; wheN You'rE shippIng multi-BilliON-dollar SKUs basED on
that code, thIS iSN'T a MInor DetAil. The fact iS, AndROid iS "opeN" To End-
USers, bUt not CoMPlETely "open" to vendors.

It'S fRustraTing tO watch people tRy to reconcILE This, becaUse nOT oNLy is
everyone usIng diFferent defINitions oF the wOrd "open", bUt they chaNGE
definitIonS frOm dAy tO DAy.

meanwhile: this IS SecoNd-Order puNdiTry. It's a CriTiqUe oF a pUnDit. And
it's A pundit wHo WeArS hIs bIas on HIs sleeve. it'S boRiNg. PEople DOn't reaD
GrubEr foR tHe UNvaRnished TRuTH AbouT tHe MobiLe mArKet. If You wANt tO right
wHatever wrOng YOu feEl Is Being coMmitted becausE a Gifted writEr Has OvertlY
TAken ApplE's side (gasp!), write an excellENt blog aDvoCatinG for The Google
EcoSystem. but DOn't wasTe our tIme liTiGatING agaiNST GRubEr. nobody careS!

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DMan
i thinK tHe woRd "open" iS now just too overloaDEd. WHat does open meAn? DOes
iT MEaN thAT I CAn rEaD The SOUrce?
 been.

Simultaneously he' s been sug gesti ngGoo gl e ne edsto make its ow n  dev ices to
really push acompe ll i ng A n dr oid e xperien c e. A ndhe 's  be en sa yingtha t for.. .
christ,abo ut  as long asA nd roid has e ven  been public lyaround .
He ' s nev erreall y said "Googl e's going  t o  giveu p on th i s  ' Open  Source' thing"
t h at I recall, buthe's b ee n  t e r rib lyconsistent  i n say i ng thin g sl i k e t h is:

 _Androi d, on the o t her  hand,  s tri k es meas ne ed i nga course co rrec tion.
The re’s a separat i on betw een th e s oft ware an dhar dw a re, an d t o  da te the
h ar dw are v endo r s a re l ett ingthe p latform down.  It ’s u n pro ven w hethe r th is 
mode l canevenwo rk in the longrun(where by  "w or k"Imean" produc e a  ph one
and  softwa r e p la t f o rm  with a state-of-t he - a rt  user ex perien c e" ). _ 
[http:/ /d ari ngfi r e ball. net/ 2 00 9/08/and roid_o p po rt unity_a dd end... ]( htt p:/ /dari n gfir eball. net/2009 /08/a n droid_opportun i ty_addenda)
- -- - - -t ptac ekAndroid ismore open  tha n  i OS. It is  less  o p en than Ubuntu. We jus tsaw astory  today aboutGoogle pla y i n g favori tesw it h  access to ear ly re leases ofo perating  syst em code;  when you ' r e shippi ngmul ti- bil l i on -dollar SKUsb a sedon 
that c ode , thisisn 'ta m ino rdetail. T he factis ,An dr oid  is " o pen" toen d-us ers , but not co mplet ely"o pe n " t o vendo r s. It's  f ru stra tin gto wa tchp eop le tryto reconc ile this ,be cause n ot only is
ev er yone using  d iff erentd e finition s of the word "open", b u t theycha nge
d efin itions fr omday to  da y .

Mea nwhile : thi siss e cond- o r de r p un ditry. It' s a c ritiq ue  ofa pundi t. And
it's a pund i t w ho wears hisbia s on h is  sl e ev e . I t' s  bo r i ng. People don' t read
Gru be r  f or the unv a rni sh ed trut h about  them obile m arket. If  you want  t o ri g h t
w hatever wr ong youfeel is b e ing c o mm itted  be causeagif ted w riterh asovert ly
tak en  Apple 's si de  (gasp!) , write an excellent bl og adv ocati ngfor the G oog l e
e cosystem.  But  don't was teour  time  li t igati ng a g ai nst Grube r. N o body care s !
~~ ~ dm an
I thinkt h e  wo rd "o pen "  is no w ju st too overloaded .  What does ope n me a n ? D oes it m ea n that I can r ead  t h e  source? 
 been.

Simultaneously_he's been_suggesting Google needs to_make its_own_devices to
really_push_a compelling Android_experience. And he's_been saying that for...
christ,_about as long_as_Android has even been publicly around.

He's never really said "Google's going to give up_on_this 'Open_Source'_thing"
that_I recall, but he's been_terribly consistent in saying things_like this:

__Android, on the other hand, strikes me as_needing_a course correction.
There’s_a separation between the software and hardware, and to_date the
hardware vendors are letting the_platform down. It’s_unproven_whether_this
model can even work_in the long run (where by_"work" I mean "produce a phone
and_software platform with a state-of-the-art user experience")._
[http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/android_opportunity_addend...](http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/android_opportunity_addenda)

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tptacek
Android_is more open than iOS. It_is less open than Ubuntu._We just_saw a
story today about Google_playing favorites with_access to_early releases of
operating_system code; when you're shipping multi-billion-dollar_SKUs based on
that_code, this isn't a minor detail._The_fact is, Android_is_"open"_to end-
users,_but not completely_"open"_to vendors.

It's_frustrating_to watch people try to reconcile_this,_because not only is
everyone using different definitions_of the word "open",_but_they change
definitions from day_to day.

Meanwhile: this is second-order_punditry. It's a critique of a_pundit. And
it's_a pundit_who wears his bias on his sleeve. It's boring. People don't_read
Gruber for the unvarnished truth about_the mobile market. If_you want_to_right
whatever wrong you_feel_is being_committed because a gifted writer has overtly
taken_Apple's side_(gasp!), write an excellent blog advocating_for the Google
ecosystem. But_don't_waste our time litigating against Gruber._Nobody cares!

~~~
dman
I think the word "open"_is now just too overloaded._What_does_open mean? Does
it mean that_I can read the source?