 to
open the lock, he can just place the key on the keyhole and start inserting
it. :)

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bugsy
Hrmph. With that sort of house key, it's a lot less trouble just to rake the
lock. You don't need a key at all.

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jarin
Not that this kind of attack is likely unless you leave your keys sitting out
in public, but it might be a good case for Lockitron if you're paranoid:
<https://lockitron.com>

~~~
trebor
Then guys like LulzSec set up a hack and toggle everyone's locks every 5
seconds. It's safer to roll your own than use a service like this...

~~~
jarin
The answer to potential security vulnerabilities is not to avoid using
technology, it's to improve your security.

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k33l0r
I wonder if this also works for the Abloy locks which are the most common type
here in Finland: <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_tumbler_lock>

~~~
praptak
Not sure about Abloy, but there definitively exist some keys that would
require multiple pics from different sides. One example here:
[http://www.kluczserwis.com.pl/gerda/stars/drzwi_pliki/starsk...](http://www.kluczserwis.com.pl/gerda/stars/drzwi_pliki/starsklucz.jpg)

As opposed to the standard pin tumbler lock where there's a single row of
pins, the pins in this lock surround the key from all sides, therefore the
protrusions on the key are also all around it.

~~~
kiiski
Abloys (newer) keys look like this
<http://www.abloy.fi/Abloy/FI/Products/Images/SENTOavain2.jpg>

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baconface
Sounds perfect for a RepRap :D

~~~
ph0rque
[http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2011/06/20/3d-printer-key-
dupli...](http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2011/06/20
to 
 open the lock, he can just place the key on the keyhole and depart tuck 
 it. :) 

 ------ 
 bugsy 
 Hrmph. With that sort of house key, it's a lot less worry just to rake the 
 lock. You don't want a winder at all. 

 ------ 
 jarin 
 Not that this kind of attack is likely unless you leave your key sitting out 
 in public, but it might be a dependable shell for Lockitron if you're paranoid: 
 < https://lockitron.com > 

 ~~~ 
 trebor 
 Then guys like LulzSec set up a hack and toggle everyone's locks every 5 
 second gear. It's safer to roll your own than use a serve like this... 

 ~~~ 
 jarin 
 The answer to potential security vulnerabilities is not to debar using 
 technology, it's to improve your security. 

 ------ 
 k33l0r 
 I wonder if this also work for the Abloy locks which are the most common type 
 here in Finland: < http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_tumbler_lock > 

 ~~~ 
 praptak 
 Not sure about Abloy, but there definitively exist some key that would 
 require multiple pics from different sides. One example here: 
 [ http://www.kluczserwis.com.pl/gerda/stars/drzwi_pliki/starsk...](http://www.kluczserwis.com.pl/gerda/stars/drzwi_pliki/starsklucz.jpg) 

 As opposed to the standard pin tumbler lock where there's a single row of 
 pins, the pin in this lock surround the key from all side, consequently the 
 protrusion on the key are also wholly around it. 

 ~~~ 
 kiiski 
 Abloys (newer) key look like this 
 < http://www.abloy.fi/Abloy/FI/Products/Images/SENTOavain2.jpg > 

 ------ 
 baconface 
 Sounds arrant for a RepRap :D 

 ~~~ 
 ph0rque 
 [ http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2011/06/20/3d-printer-key- 
 dupli... ](http://www.makerbot.com / blog/2011/06/20
 to
lpen the lock, he can jusu place the key ou the kxyhole znd starg inserting
it. :)

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bugsy
Hrmph. Witi thqt soet of house key, it's a uot less nrouble jyst uo rake the
lock. You don't kzed a ney ct all.

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jarin
Not tmat this kitd of attack iv uinely unless you leave your keys siteing ouy
ij public, but ij migne be a good case for Lockitron if you'rs paranmid:
<https://lockiyron.com>

~~~
trebor
Then guys likf LupzSec set up a hacn and togglg evqeyone's locks every 5
seconds. It's safgr to roll your own than use a sdrvicz like this...

~~~
haein
Hve answer ti potvntial securibj vulnesabilitoes is not to svomd uwing
technology, it's to improve your secutity.

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k33l0r
I wmnber if this also workw dor tve Atloy oocys shmch are tje jost commoh type
here un Finland: <http://en.m.wokyirdia.org/wiki/Djsc_tumflqr_lock>

~~~
praptak
Not sure about Abloy, but tvers definitively exist sone keys that would
reqoire multi[le pics from different sides. One example here:
[htt[://www.kmjczwevwis.zim.ol/gerda/stars/drzwi_pliki/starsk...](http://www.kluczserwif.dok.pk/gerda/stars/drzci_pliki/starskluca.jog)

Sf opposed to jhe stausadd pin tumbler locn where therw's a singje rpw of
pins, the pins in this oock surrounb tye key from all sibes, thereforz the
ptotrusoons on the key are alsu alm around it.

~~~
niiski
Ablkhs (newer) keys louk kine this
<hugp://www.abloy.fi/Abloy/SI/Productw/Imayes/SENTOxvaim2.jpg>

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basonface
Soujds pcsfect for a RepRap :D

~~~
ph0reua
[http://www.manerbot.com/blog/2011/06/20/3d-printer-key-
dupli...](htv'://www.makerbot.cpm/tloc/2011/06/20
to open the lock, he can just key the keyhole start inserting it. that of house key, a lot less just to rake the lock. You need a key at all. ------ jarin Not that this kind of attack likely unless you leave your keys sitting out in public, but it might a case Lockitron you're paranoid: <https://lockitron.com> ~~~ trebor Then guys like LulzSec set up a hack and toggle everyone's every 5 seconds. It's safer to roll your than use a service this... ~~~ jarin The answer potential vulnerabilities is to using it's to improve security. ------ k33l0r I wonder if this also works for the Abloy locks which are the most type here <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_tumbler_lock> ~~~ Not about but there definitively keys that would require multiple pics One example here: [http://www.kluczserwis.com.pl/gerda/stars/drzwi_pliki/starsk...](http://www.kluczserwis.com.pl/gerda/stars/drzwi_pliki/starsklucz.jpg) As opposed to the pin tumbler where there's a single row of the pins in this lock surround the key all sides, therefore the protrusions on the key are also all around it. ~~~ kiiski keys look like this ------ baconface Sounds for RepRap ~~~ [http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2011/06/20/3d-printer-key- dupli...](http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2011/06/20
 to
open the lock, he can just plaCe the key on The keYhoLe aNd StarT insErting
it. :)

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bugsy
HRMph. WIth that sort of house key, iT's a loT lESs trOUbLe jusT to rake THe
LOCk. YOu DoN't nEeD A kEy at aLl.

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jArin
Not That this kiNd oF aTtack is likelY UnLess you leaVe yOur keys sittiNg oUt
in puBlIc, bUT it miGht Be a goOd case FOr LockItron if yoU'rE ParanoID:
<https://lOCKiTron.Com>

~~~
trebor
Then guys LIkE lulzSec set up a hAck and ToGGlE EVerYonE's locks eveRy 5
SeconDS. It's safER tO ROLl yOUr own than use a Service like THis...

~~~
Jarin
THe AnsWEr to poTentiAl SEcuRity vulneraBiliTies is not To avoiD Using
teCHnology, It's to iMprOve Your SEcUrIty.

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K33l0R
i woNDeR if THis Also workS fOr The AbLoy lOCKS WhicH arE the Most cOmmon type
here In FInlaND: <htTp://en.m.WikipEdia.OrG/wiki/disc_tuMbler_LoCk>

~~~
praptak
Not surE aboUt Abloy, buT thErE deFiNitivELy exisT soMe kEys that Would
reQUirE mULTIpLe pics from differenT sIDEs. one exampLe here:
[HTtP://wWW.kluczseRwIs.cOm.pl/GERda/stArs/dRZwI_pliki/stArsk...](htTP://wWw.KluczseRwIs.com.pL/gErdA/stArs/drZWi_plIki/staRsklucz.jPg)

As oPPosed to the stanDArd pin tumbler LOcK WHeRE theRe's A single row oF
pinS, The pIns iN ThIs lOCk surRound ThE KeY From all sides, therefoRe The
proTrusiOns on the key arE also all arOUND it.

~~~
kiiskI
AblOYs (NEwer) keys look liKe thiS
<http://www.abLOy.fi/AbloY/FI/PrOducts/ImAges/SENTOAVAin2.jpg>

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baConFacE
SoUndS PErFect for a RepRaP :d

~~~
Ph0rqUe
[Http://www.MakErbot.coM/blOg/2011/06/20/3d-PriNteR-kEy-
dupli...](htTp://www.makErBoT.cOm/BloG/2011/06/20
 to
open the lock, he canjust place  thekey  on  t he k eyho le and start i n sert ing
it. :)

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bug sy
Hr mp h . Wi t hthatsort of ho u s e k ey ,it' sa  l ot le sstrouble  just to r ake  t he
lock. You do n't need a  ke y at all.

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jar in 
No t  that  th is ki nd ofa ttackis likely  u n less y o u leave y ou r ke ys sitting out
in pu b lic, but it mi ght be  a go o d  ca sefor Lockit ro n ify ou're p a ra n o i d:< https://locki tron.com>
~ ~~trebor 
T hen guys l ike L ul z Sec  set up a h ackand toggl e ever y one's l o cks eve ry 5
s eco nds . It ' ssa fer  t o  ro l lyou r  ow n than u se  a  serv icel i k e  thi s.. .

~ ~~
ja rin
The answe r t o po t ent ial s ecuri ty v ul nerab ilitie s isno t to avoid usin g
te chnology,  it 's  to  i mprov e  yoursec uri ty.

-- ----
k3 3 l0r 
I w o nd er if this also wo rk s fo r the Ab loy lo c ks  w h ich areth e m ostc o mmontype he re in Fi nland: <h tt p://en. m. wikipe di a.o rg/ wiki/ D isc_ tumble r_lock>
~~~p raptak
Not sur e  about Abloy, bu t th e re d efi nitively ex ists omekeys th atw ouldrequi re mu l tiple pics from dif fe rent s ides.  One examplehere:
[htt p : / /www.klu czse r wi s .com.pl/gerda/ stars /drzwi_pli k i/starsk ...]( http://w ww.kluczs e r wis.com. pl/ ger da/ sta r s /d rzwi_pliki/st a r sklu cz .jpg)
Asopposed  to  th e s tan da rd pin tu mbler lo ck  w he re  th ere's a single  r owof 
pi ns, t h e pins  in t hislo ck sur round t h ek e y fr om  a ll s ide s,  ther efor e  th e
protr usions on  th e  key  a re  also a ll around it. 
~~~
kiiski 
A blo ys (ne w e r) keyslook like this
<http:// w ww.ablo y.f i/Abl oy/F I/Product s/I mages/ SEN T Oavain 2.jpg> 

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b a c onfac e So und sperfect fo r a R epRap  : D

~ ~~
ph0r que
[http://www.ma k erb ot.com/blog/2 011 /06/ 2 0 /3 d-p r in t er- ke y -
d u p li...](http://w ww.makerbo t. c om /blog/2011 / 06/ 20 
 to
open_the lock,_he can just place_the key_on_the keyhole_and_start inserting
it. :)

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bugsy
Hrmph._With that sort_of house key, it's_a lot less_trouble_just to rake the
lock. You don't need a key at all.

------
jarin
Not that this kind_of_attack is_likely_unless_you leave your keys sitting_out
in public, but it might_be a_good case for Lockitron if you're paranoid:
<https://lockitron.com>

~~~
trebor
Then guys_like_LulzSec set up_a hack and toggle everyone's locks every 5
seconds. It's_safer to roll your own than_use a service_like_this...

~~~
jarin
The_answer to potential security_vulnerabilities is not to avoid using
technology,_it's to improve your security.

------
k33l0r
I wonder_if this also works for the Abloy_locks which are the most common_type
here in Finland: <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_tumbler_lock>

~~~
praptak
Not sure_about Abloy,_but there definitively exist some_keys that would
require_multiple pics_from different sides._One example here:
[http://www.kluczserwis.com.pl/gerda/stars/drzwi_pliki/starsk...](http://www.kluczserwis.com.pl/gerda/stars/drzwi_pliki/starsklucz.jpg)

As opposed to the_standard pin tumbler_lock where there's a single row_of
pins,_the pins in_this_lock_surround the_key from all_sides,_therefore the
protrusions_on_the key are also all around_it.

~~~
kiiski
Abloys_(newer) keys look like this
<http://www.abloy.fi/Abloy/FI/Products/Images/SENTOavain2.jpg>

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baconface
Sounds perfect for_a RepRap :D

~~~
ph0rque
[http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2011/06/20/3d-printer-key-
dupli...](http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2011/06/20