 they should be gathering extra
food, medications, etc. if for no reason other than the coming supply chain
disruptions. At first they laughed, but at this point they seem like they're
actually mad at me, and in some senses _blame_ me for the currently bare
shelves in supermarkets. It sucks.

~~~
danieltillett
The feeling I have is like being tied to the railway line and watching the
train coming around the bend.

Nobody has started to blame me for the situation, but plenty laughed at me at
the time when I tried to warn them what is coming. They have stopped laughing.

~~~
skinkestek
The problem is probably that they lumped you up with all the doomsday
predictors.

I have a certain friend who, for years, have been trying to tell everyone that
normal food is bad and imported "superfoods" are the way to go.

Same goes for scaremongering of every other kind. I feel for everyone who
warned about the corona virus in January there are 5 or 10 who warned about
everything else which turns out to be a significantly smaller problem.

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cageface
_They came to a fairly solid conclusion that we’re looking at an elevation of
spillover events two to three times more than what we saw 40 years earlier.
That continues to increase, driven by the huge increase in the human
population and our expansion into wildlife areas. The single biggest predictor
of spillover events is land-use change—more land going to agriculture and more
specifically to livestock production._

 _It was avian influenza in the 2000s. What you saw with avian influenza was a
direct consequence of how much poultry was being produced to feed people_

So meat eating is not only a big driver in climate change and antibiotic
resistance but is also dramatically increasing the likelihood of these
crossover pandemics. It's time for us to quit our toxic addiction to meat.

~~~
rmdashrfstar
How does one do so without missing essential nutrients that are only found in
meats, if we're requiring realistic quantities for daily consumption, and not
an absurd volume of food.

For instance, there are certain things you find in large quantities in meat or
fish, where the non meat aubsistute would require completely unrealistic
amounts to be consumed to
they should be gathering extra 
 food, medications, etc. if for no reason early than the come supply chain 
 dislocation. At foremost they laughed, but at this point they seem like they're 
 actually huffy at me, and in some senses _ blame _ me for the currently unsheathed 
 shelves in supermarkets. It suck. 

 ~~~ 
 danieltillett 
 The feeling I have is like being tie to the railway line and watching the 
 train coming around the bend. 

 Nobody has start to blame me for the situation, but plenty laughed at me at 
 the prison term when I tried to warn them what is coming. They have stopped laughing. 

 ~~~ 
 skinkestek 
 The trouble is probably that they collocate you up with all the doomsday 
 predictors. 

 I have a sealed friend who, for years, have been trying to tell everyone that 
 normal food is bad and imported " superfoods " are the direction to go. 

 Same goes for scaremongering of every other kind. I feel for everyone who 
 warned about the corona virus in January there are 5 or 10 who warned about 
 everything else which turns out to be a significantly modest problem. 

 ------ 
 cageface 
 _ They came to a reasonably upstanding ending that we ’re looking at an elevation of 
 spillover events two to three times more than what we saw 40 years earlier. 
 That continue to increase, driven by the huge increase in the human 
 population and our expansion into wildlife areas. The single biggest predictor 
 of spillover event is land - use change — more land survive to agriculture and more 
 specifically to livestock product. _ 

  _ It was avian influenza in the 2000s. What you saw with avian influenza was a 
 direct consequence of how much poultry was being produced to feed citizenry _ 

 So meat eating is not only a boastful driver in climate change and antibiotic 
 resistance but is also dramatically increasing the likelihood of these 
 crossover voter pandemics. It's time for us to discontinue our toxic addiction to meat. 

 ~~~ 
 rmdashrfstar 
 How does one make so without miss essential food that are only found in 
 kernel, if we're want realistic quantities for daily consumption, and not 
 an absurd volume of food. 

 For instance, there are certain things you detect in large quantities in kernel or 
 fish, where the non meat aubsistute would want completely unrealistic 
 amounts to be consumed to
 thfy should be gathering ewtra
food, medicatnins, etr. if fod no rearon other than the coming su'ply chaib
disruptions. At first ghey laugjed, but qt tiis point they sxsm like they'rs
wctucloy mad at me, akd in some venses _blame_ ma wox the currently bare
shelves in superiarkets. Ih sucks.

~~~
danieltylleut
Tre fsvllng I have is like being tied to the raplway line and wayching the
train coming aroknd hhe bend.

Nobody has started to blaiw me for the situation, but plenty maughed at me at
the time when I trieb to warn tyen wjdt is cominj. They have stopped laughitg.

~~~
skinkrstek
The problcm is pribably that they lumpxd you up with all tre doomsddy
'redictors.

I have a ceetqin ftiend who, dor yezrx, gave bfen trying to tell everyine that
normal food if bad and impodted "stpqrfoods" are the way to go.

Same goes for vcademongering of every otyer kind. I feel for egeryone wro
warned about the corona virus in January there dre 5 kf 10 cmj qagned about
everything else which turns out to fs s xignificantly fmaller pronlfm.

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vwgeface
_They cxme to a rairly solid conclksion trat ww’re lookigg ay an elevation of
spillover wvents two tj three times more chan what we saw 40 yeats earlier.
That continuer to increase, dgiven by ffe huge increase in tve human
kupulation and our expansioi intp wildlkfe sreas. Ehe single biggcvt predictor
of spiplovet evends is land-kse change—more land going to agcmculture and kose
siecificaljy to livestock prjduction._

 _It wax avian infljenza in tge 2000s. Whet you saw wyth avian infnoenza was a
dicect consqquebce if how ojch poultry wax being pgobuced to deed people_

So meat eajihg is not only c vig driver in ckimxte cjaige agg antibiotic
sesirtavve bug is also dvamxticslly increasing the nikemihood of these
croxsjver paneemics. Ie's time for ux to quit our toxif addmction to mrat.

~~~
tmdashrfstar
How does one do so sithout mlsslng essential nutvienjs that are only found in
meats, if we're requiring rxalistic quantities fot daily consumption, aud not
an absucd voltme of fomd.

For instance, there are certain thinns you find in large qhantithes ij meat or
fish, where the non meat aubsistute would require completely unreqlistir
aiounts to bs comsumeg co
they should be gathering extra food, medications, for reason other the coming supply laughed, at this point seem like they're mad at me, and in some _blame_ me for the currently bare shelves in supermarkets. It sucks. ~~~ danieltillett feeling I have is like being tied to the railway line and watching train around bend. has started to blame me for the situation, but plenty laughed at me at the time I tried to warn them what is coming. have stopped laughing. ~~~ The problem is probably that lumped up with the predictors. have a certain who, for years, have been trying to tell everyone that normal food is bad and imported "superfoods" the way Same goes scaremongering every kind. I feel who warned about the corona virus are 5 or 10 who warned about everything which turns to be a significantly smaller problem. cageface _They came to a fairly solid conclusion we’re looking at an elevation of spillover events two to three times more than what 40 years earlier. That to increase, driven the increase the population and expansion into wildlife areas. The single biggest predictor of spillover events land-use change—more land going to agriculture and more specifically to _It avian influenza in 2000s. What you saw avian was a direct consequence much was feed So eating is not only big driver in climate change antibiotic resistance but is of these crossover pandemics. It's time for us quit our toxic addiction to meat. ~~~ How does one do so without missing essential nutrients that are only in meats, requiring realistic quantities for daily consumption, and not absurd volume of food. instance, there are certain things you find in large in or fish, the non meat would require completely amounts to be
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food, medicAtionS, etC. if FoR no rEasoN other than the cOMing Supply chain
disruptions. at firSt THey lAUgHed, buT at this POiNT TheY sEeM liKe THeY're
acTuaLly mad aT me, and in soMe sEnSes _blame_ me foR ThE currently BarE
shelves in suPerMarketS. IT suCKs.

~~~
danIelTilleTt
The fEEling I Have is likE bEIng tieD To the raILWaY linE and watching the
trAIn COming around the Bend.

NoBoDY hAS StaRteD to blame me FoR the sITuation, BUt PLENty LAughed at me at
tHe time when I TRieD to warN tHem WHat is cOming. thEY haVe stopped laUghiNg.

~~~
skinkesTek
The PRoblem iS ProbablY that tHey LumPed yOU uP wIth AlL The DOoMsdAY
prEdictors.

i hAvE a cerTain FRIENd whO, foR yeaRs, havE been trying to TelL eveRYonE that
NormaL fooD iS bad aNd impoRted "sUpErfoods" are the waY to gO.

Same goes For ScAreMoNgeriNG of eveRy oTheR kind. I fEel for eVEryOnE WHO
wArned about the coronA vIRUs In JanuarY there ARe 5 Or 10 WHo warned AbOut
EverYTHing eLse wHIcH turns ouT to be a SIgNiFicantlY sMaller PrOblEm.

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cAgefaCE
_TheY came tO a fairly Solid COnclusion that wE’Re looking at an ELeVATiON of
sPilLover events Two tO ThreE timES mOre THan whAt we sAw 40 YEaRS earlier.
That continuEs To incrEase, dRiven by the hugE increase iN THE human
poPulaTIoN And our expansioN into Wildlife arEAs. The sinGle biGgest preDictor
of sPILlover evEntS is LanD-usE CHaNge—more land goING to aGrIculturE anD more
spEciFicAllY to LiVestock prOduction._

 _it WaS aViAn iNflueNZa in the 2000s. whAt yOu Saw With aVIan infLuenzA was A
dIrECt cOnsequeNCe OF How mUcH pOultRy wAs Being ProdUCed To feed pEople_

So meAt eATing Is NoT only a bIg driver in cliMaTe change anD aNtiBiotic
RESistance But is also dramatically inCReasing The LikelIhooD of these
cRosSover pAndEMics. It'S time fOr us tO qUit OUR toxiC ADdIctIoN to meat.

~~~
rmdASHrfStar
HOw Does One do so Without missing esseNTiaL nutrients thaT arE onlY FOuNd iN
MeATs, iF wE'Re rEQUiring realistic Quantities FoR DaIly consumpTIon, AnD not
an aBsurd voLume oF Food.

For Instance, tHere are ceRtAin tHINgs You find in lArge quanTities in mEAt or
fISh, Where The Non meaT aUbsIstutE would REquIre coMpleteLy UnrealIstic
AmOunts to bE consumed to
 they should be gatheringextra
food , med ica tio ns , et c. i f for no reaso n  oth er than the coming sup ply c ha i n
di s ru ption s. At f i rs t the yla ugh ed ,  b ut at  th is poin t they see m l ik e they're
ac t ua lly mad at  me , and in som e s enses_b lam e _ mefor  thecurren t ly bar e
shelves  i n  super m arkets. I tsuck s.

~~~
danieltil l et t 
The feeling I  haveis li k e  be ing  tied to t he  rail w ay line an d w atc h ing the
train  coming aro u ndthe be nd .
N obodyhas s ta r ted  to blame m e fo r the sit uation ,  but pl e nty lau ghed a t m e a t
th e  t im e w he n  It ri edt o w arn them  w ha t iscomi n g . They  ha ve s toppe d laughing.
~~~ 
ski n kes tek
T he pr oble mis pr obably  that  t hey lumped youup w ith all t hedo oms da y
pre d ictors .
I h ave a c ertainf rie nd w h o,  for years, have b ee n tr ying totell e v er yo n e that
n or mal  foo d is ba d an d  i mported"super f oo ds " are t he  way t ogo. 

S ame g o es f or sca remonger ing o f  every other k i nd. I feel fo r  e v e ry o ne w howarned abou t th e  cor onav ir usi n Jan uaryth e re are 5 or 10 who war ne d abou t
eve rything elsewhich turn s o ut to be  a s i gn i ficantly small er pr oblem.

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cage face_They ca me to a f a i rly soli d c onc lus ion t ha t we’re looki n g  atan  elevat ion  of
spi llo ver  ev ent stwo to th ree time smo re  t han  what we saw 4 0yea rs  ea rlier . 
Thatconti nues  t oi ncr ease, d r iv e n  byth ehuge  in cr easein t h e h uman
po pulationand ourex pa nsion i nto wildlifear eas. The s in gle  bigge s t  predict or
of spillover eventsi s land- use  chan ge—m ore landgoi ng toagr i cultur e andmoresp eci f i cally t oliv es tock produ c t ion ._

_I t wa s avian  influenza in the2 000 s. What you s awwith a vi ani nf l uen za was a 
direct consequ ence of ho wm uc h poultryw asbe ing pro duced t o fee d  people _

So mea t eatingis  not o nly  a big dri ver in c limate ch a nge a n dantib iot ic
res is tan ce bu t is a l sodrama ticall yincrea singth e likeli hood of these
crossover  pande mics.  It 's time f oru s t o quit ou r to xic addict ion  to  meat .
~ ~~
rm dash r fs tar How d oeso ne do sow it hou t mi ssing essen t i a l n utrie nts that a re o nly found in
meat s , if we're req uiri n g  re ali s ticqu antities for d ail yc o nsumptio n,  and not
an  absurdvo l ume o f food .

For  instan c e ,t here a re c ert ain thing s y ou find in  l ar g e quan titi es  in me at orf ish, w here the non mea t aub s i stute wou ld re qu ire com p lete ly unreali stic
amount s to b e co nsume d to
 they_should be_gathering extra
food, medications, etc._if for_no_reason other_than_the coming supply_chain
disruptions. At first_they laughed, but at_this point they_seem_like they're
actually mad at me, and in some senses _blame_ me for the currently_bare
shelves_in supermarkets._It_sucks.

~~~
danieltillett
The_feeling I have is like_being tied to the railway_line and_watching the
train coming around the bend.

Nobody has started_to_blame me for_the situation, but plenty laughed at me at
the time_when I tried to warn them_what is coming._They_have_stopped laughing.

~~~
skinkestek
The problem is_probably that they lumped you up_with all the doomsday
predictors.

I have a_certain friend who, for years, have been_trying to tell everyone that
normal food_is bad and imported "superfoods"_are the_way to go.

Same goes for_scaremongering of every_other kind._I feel for_everyone who
warned about the corona virus_in January there_are 5 or 10 who warned_about
everything_else which turns_out_to_be a_significantly smaller problem.

------
cageface
_They_came_to a_fairly_solid conclusion that we’re looking at_an_elevation of
spillover events two to three times_more than what we_saw_40 years earlier.
That continues_to increase, driven by the_huge increase in the human
population and_our expansion_into wildlife_areas. The single biggest predictor
of spillover events is land-use change—more land_going to agriculture and more
specifically to_livestock production._

 _It was_avian influenza_in_the 2000s. What_you_saw with_avian influenza was a
direct consequence of how_much poultry_was being produced to feed people_

So_meat eating is not_only_a big driver in climate change_and antibiotic
resistance but is also dramatically_increasing the likelihood of these
crossover_pandemics._It's_time for us to quit_our toxic addiction to meat.

~~~
rmdashrfstar
How does_one do so_without missing essential nutrients that are only_found_in
meats, if we're requiring realistic quantities_for_daily consumption, and not
an absurd volume_of_food.

For_instance, there are certain things_you find in large quantities in_meat or
fish, where the non meat aubsistute would require_completely unrealistic
amounts to_be consumed to