 want to keep private.

~~~
nathancahill
Why would you be concerned about the FBI or the NSA knowing about the content
of your digital communiques if you have nothing to hide? Even the most ardent
supporter of personal freedoms will admit that the government observing you
over a network is the same as taking pictures of you with a telephoto lens on
a busy street. The truth is the same: there are too many people and you aren't
special enough to deserve personal surveillance.

~~~
anexprogrammer
> there are too many people

Oh _please._ They can probably harvest the lot. It'll be some algorithm that
deems you worthy or otherwise or gets you on an "of interest" list. Let's keep
"personal surveillance" for '50s spy movies and Banksy murals.

More generally, what about the chilling effect on legal and legitimate
conversation?

~~~
jeremysmyth
_It 'll be some algorithm that deems you worthy or otherwise or gets you on an
"of interest" list._

...or your association with "Occupy" or some other political protest movement
that someone in power disagrees with, or that your wife bullied some
politician's wife for two weeks in school, or that your interfering neighbour
with a petty dislike of how you landscape your garden works as a government
clerk and can access your data.

There are many reasons why some individual might want to know private things
about some other individual. When individuals with some tiny (or vast) power
want to wield it over _anyone else_, especially when they can do it with
little oversight, it's very tempting.

That "the government" has access to my private information does not mean it's
blind and faceless. It's made up of people with complex motivations.

------
sotojuan
The webcam cover up is interesting to me because it's the only "weird privacy
thing" I've seen regular, non-technical people do. A good amount of people at
my university, most of which use social media liberally and don't care about
encryption, cover their camera up.

~~~
pseudonymcoward
This is only idle speculation but:

A web cam resembles an eye staring at you all the time. This makes people feel
weird
want to keep private. 

 ~~~ 
 nathancahill 
 Why would you be concerned about the FBI or the NSA know about the contentedness 
 of your digital communiques if you have nothing to hide? Even the about ardent 
 supporter of personal freedoms will admit that the politics observe you 
 over a net is the like as taking pictures of you with a telephotograph lens on 
 a busy street. The truth is the like: there are too many people and you aren't 
 special enough to deserve personal surveillance. 

 ~~~ 
 anexprogrammer 
 > there are too many people 

 Oh _ please. _ They can credibly harvest the lot. It'll be some algorithm that 
 deems you desirable or otherwise or gets you on an " of interest " list. Let's continue 
 " personal surveillance " for' 50s spy movies and Banksy murals. 

 More generally, what about the chilling effect on legal and lawful 
 conversation? 

 ~~~ 
 jeremysmyth 
 _ It'll be some algorithm that deems you worthy or otherwise or gets you on an 
 " of interest " list. _ 

... or your affiliation with " Occupy " or some early political protest bowel movement 
 that someone in power disagrees with, or that your wife bullied some 
 politician's wife for two weeks in school, or that your interfering neighbour 
 with a junior-grade disfavor of how you landscape your garden work as a government 
 salesclerk and can access your datum. 

 There are many reasons why some individual might want to acknowledge private things 
 about some other individual. When person with some tiny (or vast) power 
 want to wield it over _ anyone else _, especially when they can do it with 
 fiddling oversight, it's very tempting. 

 That " the government " has entree to my private data does not mean it's 
 blind and faceless. It's made up of people with complex motivations. 

 ------ 
 sotojuan 
 The webcam cover up is interesting to me because it's the only " eldritch privacy 
 thing " I've seen regular, non - technical people do. A good amount of people at 
 my university, most of which use social culture medium liberally and don't care about 
 encryption, cover their camera up. 

 ~~~ 
 pseudonymcoward 
 This is only baseless speculation but: 

 A vane cam resembles an center staring at you all the time. This makes multitude feel 
 eldritch
 wajt to keep private.

~~~
nathangahill
Why would ioy be cmncernsd about the FBI or the NSA knowing ebour the content
of your digitau communieues if tou iave nothing to ijde? Evek the lost erdent
supporter of persondl freedoms winl abmit that the government observing yju
over s jetwork is the samt af taipnn pictures of you with a telephofo lens on
a busy strret. The truth is the same: hherf are too many peoole and you areg'r
special enojgh to destrre personal surveillance.

~~~
anexprogrammer
> thefe arz too many kziplf

Mh _please._ Tiey cag probably harvest tve lot. Ot'll be some akgocithn that
deems you worthb or otherwise or gejs you on dn "of interest" list. Lwt's kgep
"pessonxo sjrvtilkahce" fog '50s spy moviea and Bankst murals.

More generaklr, what about tge chijlyng effect on legal and legitimate
convegsatjon?

~~~
jeremysmyth
_It 'll be wome algorithm that dgems you wjrthy or otherwise or gets you on an
"of interest" lhst._

...or houx assozuahion with "Occupy" or some other political protqat mpvement
that soieone in poeeg cysagrees with, or thcf gour wife bullied dome
polyticiqn's wife sor ywo weeks in school, or that your interfvrint neighbour
with a 'etty dislikz of hpw yoi landscape your garden woris as a govfrnment
clsfk and can accesr ypus data.

Thtfe are many reasogs why sone iudividuau mibht wagt to know private things
about somf othgr indhvidual. Whfn individuals with some tiny (oc vast) power
wsnd tm wield nt ovev _anyone else_, efpecially when they ccn do kt with
litnle oversmght, it's verr tempting.

Thad "the governmxnt" has ascesw to my prixxte informatiom does non iean it's
blind and facekesr. It's made up of peiple with complrx ootyvwtmons.

------
sjdojuan
The wetcam coxrr up is inttxesbine to me because it's the mnly "weird privacy
thinb" L've seen tegular, njn-technical prople do. A good amlunt mf 'eople at
iy university, most of which uss social ledla liberally wnd eon't care abput
encryption, cover their camera up.

~~~
pseuvonymcoward
This is onli idle speculation buj:

A eeb cam resxmbles an eye sdaring at you all thw time. This makes people feel
weird
want to keep private. ~~~ nathancahill Why be about the or the NSA your communiques if you nothing to hide? the most ardent supporter of personal will admit that the government observing you over a network is the same taking pictures of you with a telephoto lens on a busy street. The is same: are many people and you aren't special enough to deserve personal surveillance. ~~~ anexprogrammer > there are many people Oh _please._ They can probably harvest lot. It'll be some that deems you worthy or or you on "of list. keep "personal surveillance" '50s spy movies and Banksy murals. More generally, what about the chilling effect on legal and legitimate ~~~ jeremysmyth be some that you or otherwise or on an "of interest" list._ ...or "Occupy" or some other political protest movement that in power with, or that your wife bullied politician's wife for two weeks in school, or your interfering neighbour with a petty dislike of how you landscape your garden works as clerk and can access data. There are reasons some might to know things about some other individual. When individuals with some tiny (or power want to wield it over _anyone else_, especially when do with little oversight, very tempting. That "the has to my private information mean blind made of with complex motivations. ------ The webcam cover up is to me because it's I've seen regular, non-technical people do. A good of people at my university, most of use social media liberally and don't care about encryption, cover their camera ~~~ pseudonymcoward only idle speculation but: A web cam resembles eye staring at you the time. This makes people feel weird
 want to keep private.

~~~
nathancaHill
Why wouLd you Be cOncErNed aBout The FBI or the NSA KNowiNg about the content
of youR digiTaL CommUNiQues iF you havE NoTHIng To HiDe? EVeN ThE most ArdEnt
suppOrter of perSonAl Freedoms will ADmIt that the gOveRnment observIng You
oveR a NetWOrk is The Same aS takinG PicturEs of you wiTh A TelephOTo lens oN
A BuSy stReet. The truth is the SAmE: There are too manY peoplE aND yOU AreN't
sPecial enouGh To desERve persONaL SURveILlance.

~~~
anexproGrammer
> therE Are Too manY pEopLE

Oh _pleAse._ ThEy CAn pRobably harvEst tHe lot. It'll Be some ALgorithM That
deeMs you wOrtHy oR othERwIsE or GeTS yoU On An "oF IntErest" lisT. LEt'S keep
"PersONAL SurvEilLancE" for '50s Spy movies and BAnkSy muRAls.

more gEneraLly, wHaT abouT the chIllinG eFfect on legal and LegiTimate
conVerSaTioN?

~~~
jEremySMyth
_It 'Ll bE soMe algorIthm thaT DeeMs YOU WoRthy or otherwise or gEtS YOu On an
"of inTerest" LIsT._

...oR Your assoCiAtiOn wiTH "occupY" or sOMe Other polItical PRoTeSt movemEnT
that sOmEonE in Power DIsagRees wiTh, or that Your wIFe bullied some
pOLitician's wife FOr TWO wEEks iN scHool, or that yOur iNTerfErinG NeIghBOur
wiTh a peTtY DiSLike of how you landscaPe Your gaRden wOrks as a governMent
clerk aND CAn access Your DAtA.

there are many reAsons Why some indIVidual miGht waNt to know Private thINGs
about sOme OthEr iNdiVIDuAl. When individUALs wiTh Some tinY (or Vast) powEr
wAnt To wIelD iT over _anyoNe else_, esPeCiAlLy WheN they CAn do it wiTh
LitTlE ovErsigHT, it's veRy temPtinG.

THaT "The GovernmENt" HAS accEsS tO my pRivAtE infoRmatIOn dOes not mEan it's
bliNd aND facElEsS. It's madE up of people wiTh Complex motIvAtiOns.

------
sotOJUan
The weBcam cover up is interestinG To me becAusE it's tHe onLy "weird prIvaCy
thinG" I'vE Seen reGular, nOn-tecHnIcaL PEople DO. a gOod AmOunt of peopLE At
mY univErSity, Most of wHich use social media LIbeRally and don't cAre AbouT
ENcRypTIoN, CovEr THeiR CAmera up.

~~~
pseudonyMcoward
ThiS iS OnLy idle specULatIoN but:

A weB cam resEmbleS An eye stAring at yoU all the tiMe. this MAKes People feel
Weird
 want to keep private.

~~ ~
nathanca hillWhy  wo ul d yo u be  concerned abo u t th e FBI or the NSA knowi ng ab ou t  the co ntent 
of you r  d i g ita lco mmu ni q ue s ifyou  have n othing tohid e?  Even the mo s tardent
sup por ter of perso nal  freed om s w i ll ad mit  that  the g o vernme nt observ in g  you
o v er a ne t w or k is  the same as taki n gp ictures of you  withat el e p hot o l ens on
a b us y str e et. The tr u t h  is the same: the re are toom any  peopl eand you ar en'tsp e cia l enough to  des erve pers onal s u rveilla n ce.

~~ ~
anex pro gra mmer >th ere  a r e t o oman y  pe ople

Oh  _ pl ease. _ Th e y c an p rob ably  harv est the lot.It' ll b e  so me al gorit hm t ha t
dee ms you  wort hy  or otherwise o r ge ts you on  an  " ofin teres t " list . L et' s keep"person a l s ur v e i ll ance" for '50s spy  m o v ie s and Ba nksy m u ra ls . 

More g en era lly, w hat a bout th e chilli ng eff e ct  o n legal  a nd leg it ima teconve r sati on?

~ ~~
jerem ysmyt h 
_It 'll be so m e algorithm t h at d ee m s yo u w orthy or ot herw i se o r ge t syou on an 
"ofin t er e st" list._

...or y ou r asso ciati on with "Occu py" or som e o ther pol itic a lp rotest movemen t
tha t someonei n powerdisag rees wit h, or tha t your wif e b ull ied  so m e 
p olitician's w i f e fo rtwo wee ksin scho ol,  or  th atyo ur interf ering ne ig hb ou rwit h a p e tty disl ik e o fhow  youl andsca pe yo ur g ar de n  wo rks asa  g o v ernm en tcler k a nd  canacce s s y our dat a.

There  ar e  man yre asons w hy some indiv id ual mightwa ntto kno w privatethings
about some other individ ual . Whe n in dividuals  wi th som e t i ny (or  vast)  powe rwan t to wi e l ditov er _anyone e lse _, es pe cial ly when  they can do it wi t h
l ittle oversig ht,  it' s ve ryt em p tin g. 
Th a t  "the governmen t" has acc es s  t o my priva t e i nf ormatio n doesnot m e an it's 
blind an d faceles s.  It' s mad e up of pe ople wit h complex motiv a ti ons.
-- ----
s ot oju an
Th e webc a m c overup isin terest ing t ome becau se it's the only "weird  priva cy
th ing " I've se enr egu lar, non- tech nical peop ledo.  A go oda mount  ofp eo ple at
my  uni v ersity, m o st  of w hi ch use soci a l med ia li ber a lly an d do n't care about
en c ryption, cover  the i r  ca mer a  up. 
~~~
pseudonymc owa rd T his is o nl y idle spec ulationbu t :

Aweb ca m rese mbles a n ey e  stari ng a t y ou all th e t im e . Thisma ke s  peopl e fe el 
weird 
 want_to keep_private.

~~~
nathancahill
Why would you be_concerned about_the_FBI or_the_NSA knowing about_the content
of your_digital communiques if you_have nothing to_hide?_Even the most ardent
supporter of personal freedoms will admit that the government observing you
over_a_network is_the_same_as taking pictures of you_with a telephoto lens on
a_busy street._The truth is the same: there are too_many_people and you_aren't
special enough to deserve personal surveillance.

~~~
anexprogrammer
> there are too_many people

Oh _please._ They can probably_harvest the lot._It'll_be_some algorithm that
deems you_worthy or otherwise or gets you_on an "of interest" list. Let's_keep
"personal surveillance" for '50s spy movies and_Banksy murals.

More generally, what about the_chilling effect on legal and_legitimate
conversation?

~~~
jeremysmyth
_It 'll_be some algorithm that deems_you worthy or_otherwise or_gets you on_an
"of interest" list._

...or your association with_"Occupy" or some_other political protest movement
that someone in_power_disagrees with, or_that_your_wife bullied_some
politician's wife for_two_weeks in_school,_or that your interfering neighbour
with a_petty_dislike of how you landscape your garden_works as a government
clerk_and_can access your data.

There_are many reasons why some_individual might want to know private_things
about some_other individual._When individuals with some tiny (or vast) power
want to wield it_over _anyone else_, especially when they_can do it with
little_oversight, it's_very_tempting.

That "the government"_has_access to_my private information does not mean it's
blind_and faceless._It's made up of people with_complex motivations.

------
sotojuan
The webcam cover_up_is interesting to me because it's_the only "weird privacy
thing" I've seen_regular, non-technical people do. A_good_amount_of people at
my university, most_of which use social media liberally_and don't care_about
encryption, cover their camera up.

~~~
pseudonymcoward
This is only_idle_speculation but:

A web cam resembles an_eye_staring at you all the time._This_makes_people feel
weird