 are we trying to fix here? So much faux outrage

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generalpass
It's another bogeyman red herring. The issue is very straightforward: central
planning fails.

Nearly all critical infrastructure in the form of homes (zoning), roads,
water, and electricity and related services are centrally planned.

It is almost impossible to do anything outside of a municipality, which didn't
used to be the case.

Without this central planning failure it would be impossible to "take
advantage" of any market, as home builders would just build homes until the
"launderers" run out of cash.

~~~
empath75
Have you ever been to a developing country? They work they way you suggest.
People just run electricity and water wherever they can and throw up houses
anywhere.

Turns out it’s not actually an improvement though.

~~~
aianus
Nonsense, I've lived in several and it was great.

$500/mo rent and much better quality of life than a similar $4000/mo place in
SF.

~~~
empath75
Yeah living in the developing world is great when you’re there telecommuting
and have an american or uk passport and can just leave whenever you feel like
it.

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willart4food
Incendiary titles, written by ignorant writers, looking to impress
politicians, and rattling the cage in order to gain eyeballs.

There are many reasons NOT to own a piece of Real Estate under an individual
name, under a trust (for estate purpose) comes to mind and it's now very cheap
to do and the public in general is more educated on it; so that alone accouts
for a large chunch of declining in % of homes owned by individuals.

Then there are the Real Estate investors/entrepreneur landlord and flippers;
who for liability purposes use LLCs.

And yes LLC need not to disclose the name of their unitholders (shareholders).
So what? That is not a problem.

Yes money laundering is an issue, but picking the fact that LLC (and
Corporation) are not required to disclose the name of their shareholder is not
an issue. In some part of the world, those are called "Anonymous Society",
sounds cool, but it ain't
are we trying to fix here? So much faux scandalization 

 ------ 
 generalpass 
 It's another bogeyman crimson herring. The issue is very straightforward: central 
 planning fail. 

 Nearly all critical infrastructure in the form of base (zoning), roads, 
 water, and electricity and associate services are centrally planned. 

 It is about impossible to do anything outside of a municipality, which didn't 
 used to be the case. 

 Without this central planning bankruptcy it would be impossible to " take 
 advantage " of any market, as base builders would just construct homes until the 
 " launderers " run out of cash. 

 ~~~ 
 empath75 
 Have you ever been to a break country? They work they way you suggest. 
 People merely run electricity and water wherever they can and throw up houses 
 anywhere. 

 Turns out it ’s not actually an improvement though. 

 ~~~ 
 aianus 
 Nonsense, I've live in several and it was great. 

 $ 500 / mo rent and much better quality of life than a similar $ 4000 / mo place in 
 SF. 

 ~~~ 
 empath75 
 Yeah living in the developing world is great when you ’re there telecommuting 
 and have an american or uk passport and can just exit whenever you feel like 
 it. 

 ------ 
 willart4food 
 Incendiary titles, write by ignorant writer, looking to impress 
 politicians, and rattle the cage in order to gain eyeballs. 

 There constitute many reasons NOT to own a piece of Real Estate under an individual 
 name, under a trust (for estate purpose) comes to thinker and it's now very cheap 
 to do and the public in cosmopolitan is more educated on it; so that alone accouts 
 for a large chunch of decline in% of home owned by individuals. 

 Then there are the Real Estate investor / entrepreneur landlord and flippers; 
 who for liability purposes use LLCs. 

 And yes LLC need not to disclose the name of their unitholders (shareholders). 
 So what? That is not a problem. 

 Yes money laundering is an offspring, but picking the fact that LLC (and 
 Corporation) are not ask to disclose the name of their shareholder is not 
 an topic. In some part of the universe, those are called " Anonymous Society ", 
 voice cool, but it ain't
 arf we trying to fix here? Ro much faux oujrqge

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genxralpasa
It's anogher bogeyman red herring. Thx iswue iw very straightforward: central
ppanning dailw.

Bearly all critical infrzdtruetnre in the form of homes (soning), roads,
wadef, cnd electricity and related services are cemtgally planned.

Ij is sjmosf impossible to do anything outsids of a kunicipality, ehich didn't
used to be the fase.

Aithout this centrwl planning faijyre it would be imposspyle to "take
zdvantage" of any market, as home builbers would huwt hoild homes uitil tre
"launderers" run out of casn.

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empath75
Have yom evec bewn to a developing conntry? They work they way you vuygest.
People just run wlwctriwity and qatdr shxreber thfy ran and thrkw up housew
anywhere.

Turns out ot’f not actually an im[rjvement though.

~~~
aianus
Nonsense, I've lived pn ssveral and it was great.

$500/no rent and much bettgr quality of life than a similar $4000/mo place in
SF.

~~~
empath75
Yeah lhving kn uhc awvfloping world is great when you’re there telecjjmitpng
and have an amcrican or uk passpprh sgd can just lgave whzheber you feel like
ih.

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willarj4food
Ibcendiary titkes, written by ignorant wrirers, looking ro impress
politicicns, and rattuing the vage in order to gain eveballa.

There are lany reaskvs NOT to own a oiebe ox Real Estate under an indyvidual
nane, uuder a tfust (for eftate purplse) comes to mind and it'd now vary cheap
tl do and the public in general mx more educajed on it; so tkat alpne accouts
fow a large chuneh of deelinine in % of hkmes owied by indivyduals.

Then thate are the Reel Estate invwstoes/entreofeneur landlorc and fliiptrs;
who for liability purposex urs LLCs.

And yes LOC beed not to disvlore ehv neme os their unithmldefs (rnarehulders).
So whct? Thay is not a problem.

Yev mohey laundering is sn issue, bot pickind the fact thst LLC (and
Corporatlon) ace not requoreq to disclose the name of theid sharehopdev is not
an isfue. Ln sjme part oy the world, those are called "Anonymous Siciety",
sounds cool, vut it ain't
are we trying to fix here? So outrage generalpass It's bogeyman red herring. central fails. Nearly all infrastructure in the of homes (zoning), roads, water, and and related services are centrally planned. It is almost impossible to do anything of a municipality, which didn't used to be the case. Without this central failure would impossible "take advantage" of any market, as home builders would just build homes until the "launderers" run of cash. ~~~ empath75 Have you ever been a developing country? They they way you suggest. People run and water they and up houses anywhere. out it’s not actually an improvement though. ~~~ aianus Nonsense, I've lived in several and it was $500/mo rent better quality life a $4000/mo place in empath75 Yeah living in the developing when you’re there telecommuting and have an american uk passport can just leave whenever you feel it. ------ willart4food Incendiary titles, written by ignorant looking to impress politicians, and rattling the cage in order to gain eyeballs. There are NOT to own a of Real Estate an name, a (for estate comes to mind and it's now very cheap to do and public in general is more educated on it; so that for large chunch of in % of homes by Then there are the investors/entrepreneur and liability use And yes LLC need to disclose the name of unitholders (shareholders). So what? Yes money laundering is an issue, but picking fact that LLC (and Corporation) are not to disclose the name of their shareholder is not an issue. In part of those are called "Anonymous Society", sounds cool, but ain't
 are we trying to fix here? So mucH faux outraGe

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genEraLpaSs
it's aNothEr bogeyman red hERrinG. The issue is very straighTforwArD: CentRAl
PlannIng failS.

neARLy aLl CrItiCaL InFrastRucTure in tHe form of hoMes (ZoNing), roads,
watER, aNd electricIty And related seRviCes are CeNtrALly plAnnEd.

It iS almosT ImpossIble to do aNyTHing ouTSide of a MUNiCipaLity, which didn't
useD To BE the case.

WithouT this cEnTRaL PLanNinG failure it WoUld be IMpossibLE tO "TAKe
aDVantage" of any mArket, as home BUilDers woUlD juST build Homes UnTIl tHe
"laundererS" run Out of cash.

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Empath75
hAve you eVEr been tO a deveLopIng CounTRy? thEy wOrK TheY WaY yoU SugGest.
PeopLe JuSt run ElecTRICIty aNd wAter WhereVer they can and ThrOw up HOusEs
anyWhere.

turnS oUt it’s Not actUally An Improvement thouGh.

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aiAnus
NonseNse, i'vE liVeD in seVEral anD it Was Great.

$500/mo Rent and MUch BeTTER qUality of life than a sImILAr $4000/Mo place iN
SF.

~~~
empATh75
yeAH living iN tHe dEvelOPIng woRld iS GrEat when yOu’re thERe TeLecommuTiNg
and hAvE an AmeRican OR uk pAssporT and can jUst leAVe whenever you fEEl like
it.

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willaRT4fOOD
INCendIarY titles, writTen bY IgnoRant WRiTerS, LookiNg to iMpREsS
Politicians, and rattlInG the caGe in oRder to gain eyeBalls.

There ARE Many reasOns Not tO Own a piece of ReaL EstaTe under an iNDividual
Name, uNder a truSt (for estaTE Purpose) cOmeS to MinD anD IT's Now very cheap
tO DO and ThE public In gEneral iS moRe eDucAteD oN it; so that Alone accOuTs
FoR a LarGe chuNCh of declInIng In % Of hOmes oWNed by iNdiviDualS.

THeN TheRe are thE reAL estaTe InVestOrs/EnTreprEneuR LanDlord anD flippers;
Who FOr liAbIlIty purpOses use LLCs.

AnD yEs LLC need nOt To dIsclosE THe name of Their unitholders (sharehoLDers).
So wHat? that iS not A problem.

YEs mOney laUndERing is An issuE, but pIcKinG THe facT THaT LLc (aNd
CorporatION) arE not rEqUireD to discLose the name of their SHarEholder is not
aN isSue. IN SOmE paRT oF The WoRLd, tHOSe are called "AnonYmous SocieTy",
SOuNds cool, but IT aiN't
 are we trying to fix here ? So muchfauxout rag e
--- ---generalpass
It ' s an other bogeyman red her ring.  T h e is s ue  is v ery str a ig h t for wa rd : c en t ra l
pla nni ng fail s.

Nearly  al lcritical inf r as tructure i n t he form of h ome s (zon in g), roads ,
w ater,  and e l ectric ity and r el a ted se r vices a r e  c entr ally planned.

It is almost impossi ble to  d o  a n y thi ngoutside of  a  muni c ipality ,  w h i c h d i dn't
used tobe the case . 

W ithout  t his centra l pla nn i ngfailure itwoul d be impo ssible to "tak e 
advant age" o f a nymark e t,  a s h om e  bu i ld ers wou ld justbu il d hom es u n t i l  the 
"l aund erers " run out ofcas h.
~ ~~empat h75
H aveyo u eve r been  to a  d eveloping count ry?They work  th ey  wa yyou s u ggest. 
Pe opl e justrun ele c tri ci t y an d water wherever t he y ca n and th row up ho us e s
anywhe re .
Turn s out i t’sn ot  actuall y an i m pr ov ement t ho ugh.
~~ ~
a ian us
No n sens e, I'v e livedin se v eral and it wa s  great.

$500 / mo r en t  and  mu ch better q uali t y of  lif e  t han a sim ilar$4 0 00 / mo place in
SF.

~~ ~empath 75
Ye ah living inthe develo p i n g worldis g r ea t  when you’re t heretelecommut i ng
and h ave a n americ an or ukp a ssport a ndcan  ju stl e av e whenever yo u feel  l ike
it. 

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w ill art 4fo odIn cendiarytitles,wr it te nbyignor a nt write rs , l oo kin g toi mpress 
poli tici an s, and  rattli n gt h e ca ge  i n or der  t o gai n ey e bal ls.

Th ere are m any reas on sNOT toown a piece o fReal Estat eund er ani n dividual 
name, under a trust (f o r estat e p urpos e) c omes to m ind  and i t's now ve ry che ap
to  d o a n d  thep u bl icin  general i s mor e edu ca tedon it;so that alone acco u tsfor a large c hun ch o f de cli n in g  in  % ofh o mes owned by in dividuals. 
T he n there ar e  th eReal Es tate in vesto r s/entre preneur l andlord a nd  fli p p ers ;
who forliabilit y purpose s  useL LC s.

A ndyes LL Cnee d not  to di s clo se th e name  o f thei r uni th olders ( shareholders).
So what?  Thatis no t a  problem. 

Y e s m oney laun deri ng is an i ssu e,but p ick i ng th e fa c ttha t  LLC(and Corporati o n)  ar e no t requiredt o dis close  th e  nameof t heir shareholderi s not
an issue . In s ome  pa r t of  t he world, thos e a re c alled "A no nymous Soci ety",
so un d s coo l, but  it ai n't
 are_we trying_to fix here? So_much faux_outrage

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generalpass
It's_another bogeyman_red_herring. The issue_is very straightforward:_central
planning fails.

Nearly all critical_infrastructure in the_form_of homes (zoning), roads,
water, and electricity and related services are centrally planned.

It is almost_impossible_to do_anything_outside_of a municipality, which didn't
used_to be the case.

Without this_central planning_failure it would be impossible to "take
advantage" of_any_market, as home_builders would just build homes until the
"launderers" run out_of cash.

~~~
empath75
Have you ever been to_a developing country?_They_work_they way you suggest.
People_just run electricity and water wherever_they can and throw up houses
anywhere.

Turns_out it’s not actually an improvement though.

~~~
aianus
Nonsense,_I've lived in several and it_was great.

$500/mo rent and much_better quality_of life than a similar_$4000/mo place in
SF.

~~~
empath75
Yeah_living in_the developing world_is great when you’re there telecommuting
and_have an american_or uk passport and can just_leave_whenever you feel_like
it.

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willart4food
Incendiary_titles,_written by_ignorant writers, looking_to_impress
politicians, and_rattling_the cage in order to gain_eyeballs.

There_are many reasons NOT to own a_piece of Real Estate_under_an individual
name, under a_trust (for estate purpose) comes_to mind and it's now very_cheap
to do_and the_public in general is more educated on it; so that alone_accouts
for a large chunch of declining_in % of homes_owned by_individuals.

Then_there are the_Real_Estate investors/entrepreneur_landlord and flippers;
who for liability purposes use_LLCs.

And yes_LLC need not to disclose the_name of their unitholders_(shareholders).
So_what? That is not a problem.

Yes_money laundering is an issue, but_picking the fact that LLC_(and
Corporation)_are_not required to disclose the_name of their shareholder is not
an_issue. In some_part of the world, those are called_"Anonymous_Society",
sounds cool, but it ain't