 to start shooing away many people who'd otherwise be
interested in participating. Some/many will simply never come back.

FB has a penetration of roughly 50% of the population in first world developed
nations, and that seems to be its zenith (usage has actually started falling
in the US and other early-adopter regions). So you're excluding roughly half
your potential participants.

How the FB usage pattern distributes across your target/desirable population
is of course another question. I don't have the answers on that.

~~~
franze
as i said before: i would love that somebody comes up with a better study and
proves my mini sample wrong, sadly i know none.

i did a similar research of fb enabled signeups vs. non fb signups (on desktop
web apps) - outcome: if you enable signups via fb, you get more signed up
users.

i think the pro/con fb comments/signups discussion should be based on data
(data that is easy to get on our own webproperties) and not on opinions.

------
alpb
I am using DISQUS (version 2012) for a while on my personal blog and I am very
pleased. I get more comments than the times I installed FB Comments, I get
more traction and people actually share through DISQUS star button.

Here's a blog post I wrote about switching to DISQUS
[http://ahmetalpbalkan.com/blog/disqus-addressed-my-
concerns-...](http://ahmetalpbalkan.com/blog/disqus-addressed-my-concerns-
pretty-well/)

------
AznHisoka
It's also bad SEO-wise. User generated content can help you with long tail
rankings

~~~
Kiro
Facebook comments are crawled.

~~~
franze
if googlebot chooses to render the page, which is - in my experience - not
always the case (sometimes the fb stream got indexed, the spage got found for
it, the other time nothing, sometimes a page that got found for a comment then
lost the comment again, pretty random stuff). but yeah, if you think it's
worth it you can still fetch the fb comment stream and put it below the fb
plugin.
to start shooing away many people who'd otherwise be 
 concerned in participate. Some / many will simply never come back. 

 FB experience a penetration of approximately 50% of the population in first world developed 
 state, and that seems to be its zenith (usage has actually start falling 
 in the US and other early - adoptive parent regions). So you're excluding roughly half 
 your likely participants. 

 How the FB usage design distributes across your target / desirable population 
 is of path another question. I don't have the answers on that. 

 ~~~ 
 franze 
 as i read before: i would love that somebody comes up with a better survey and 
 proves my mini sample wrong, sadly i know none. 

 i did a exchangeable research of fb enabled signeups vs. non fb signups (on desktop 
 web apps) - outcome: if you enable signups via fb, you get more signed up 
 users. 

 i think the pro / con fb comments / signups discussion should be based on data 
 (data that is easy to get on our own webproperties) and not on opinions. 

 ------ 
 alpb 
 I am using DISQUS (version 2012) for a while on my personal web log and I am very 
 pleased. I grow more comments than the clock time I install FB Comments, I get 
 more traction and people actually partake through DISQUS star button. 

 Here's a blog mail I wrote about switching to DISQUS 
 [ http://ahmetalpbalkan.com/blog/disqus-addressed-my- 
 concerns-... ](http://ahmetalpbalkan.com / web log / disqus - addressed - my - concerns- 
 pretty - well/) 

 ------ 
 AznHisoka 
 It's also bad SEO - wise. User generated content can help you with long tail 
 rankings 

 ~~~ 
 Kiro 
 Facebook comments are crawled. 

 ~~~ 
 franze 
 if googlebot choose to render the page, which is - in my experience - not 
 constantly the case (sometimes the fb stream got indexed, the spage got found for 
 it, the other meter nothing, sometimes a page that got found for a comment then 
 lost the remark again, pretty random stuff). but yeah, if you think it's 
 worth it you can even fetch the fb gossip stream and put it below the fb 
 plugin.
 to start shooing away many people who'd otkwrwise be
intsrested kn participating. Some/many wipl simpoy never come back.

FB hxs a penenration od ronghly 50% of the po'hlation in fiddt wmcld developed
najions, and thdt seems to be igs zenith (usage has actually started salling
on the US and otrer tarjy-adkittr regions). So you're excluding roufhly hanf
your potentoal participants.

How the FB usahe pattern distribktes across youw target/desirxble population
is of ckurse another question. I don't hxve tke answers in thwj.

~~~
franze
as i waid fefore: i would love dhat sokebody comes ui witi a vetter study and
provev my mini sample wtong, sadly i know none.

i did a sumilat resaarcf of fb eiabmed sihnenps vs. non rb signups (in desktop
web apps) - otnvome: if you snable sygnups via fb, you get more signed up
usegs.

i fhink the pro/con fb comnents/signups discussiln should be based on data
(data that is easy to get on our mwn wxborokevbies) qnf not on opinions.

------
alpb
I am using DISQUS (versiog 2012) gog a while on my pcrsonal blog and I al fgry
pleased. I ggt more cojments than the tiles I igstaloed FB Coimenys, I get
more traction and pwople actualjt share through DIDQUS star bbtton.

Hgre's a blog post I wrote abouc switdhing to DIDQUS
[http://agoetalpbalkan.com/buog/civqus-addrtrsed-my-
concerns-...](htt[://ahmetalpualkau.com/blog/aisqos-addrefsed-my-concfrns-
pvatty-well/)

------
AznHisoka
Ih's aldo bad SEO-wide. User generated content can hxkp you with kotg nail
rankiugs

~~~
Kirp
Facebook comients are crawked.

~~~
franve
if guoglebot cgooses vo render thq page, which hd - in my expxrience - got
aowayw the cxre (sometimes tne fb strvai gor indexed, the spagc got round for
it, the otyer time nothinb, sumeeilex w page that gmt fuuna for x comment tmen
uost the comment again, psettg random stuff). but ycah, if yoo think ie's
worth it yoi can still fetch uhe fb cooment stteam and put it below the fb
plufin.
to start shooing away many people who'd interested participating. Some/many simply never come of 50% of the in first world nations, and that seems to be zenith (usage has actually started falling in the US and other early-adopter regions). you're excluding roughly half your potential participants. How the FB usage pattern distributes your population of another question. I don't have the answers on that. ~~~ franze as i said before: i love that somebody comes up with a better and proves my mini wrong, sadly i know none. did similar research fb signeups non fb signups desktop web apps) - outcome: if you enable signups via fb, you get more signed up users. think the comments/signups discussion be on (data that is get on our own webproperties) and ------ alpb I am using DISQUS (version 2012) a while my personal blog and I am pleased. I get more comments than the times installed FB Comments, I get more traction and people actually share through DISQUS star button. blog post I wrote switching to DISQUS concerns-...](http://ahmetalpbalkan.com/blog/disqus-addressed-my-concerns- ------ It's bad SEO-wise. generated content can help you with long tail rankings ~~~ Kiro comments are crawled. ~~~ franze if googlebot chooses to render which - in my - not always the (sometimes fb stream got indexed, got for time sometimes page that got found a comment then lost the again, pretty random stuff). it's worth it you can still fetch the comment stream and put it below the plugin.
 to start shooing away many peoPle who'd othErwisE be
IntErEsteD in pArticipating. SoME/manY will simply never come baCk.

FB hAs A PeneTRaTion oF roughlY 50% Of THE poPuLaTioN iN FiRst woRld DevelopEd
nations, aNd tHaT seems to be itS ZeNith (usage hAs aCtually startEd fAlling
In The us and oTheR earlY-adoptER regioNs). So you're ExCLuding ROughly hALF
yOur pOtential participaNTs.

hOw the FB usage paTtern dIsTRiBUTes AcrOss your tarGeT/desiRAble popULaTION
is OF course anotheR question. I dON't hAve the AnSweRS on thaT.

~~~
franZe
AS i sAid before: i wOuld Love that sOmebodY Comes up WIth a betTer stuDy aNd
pRoveS My MiNi sAmPLe wROnG, saDLy i Know none.

I dId A simiLar rESEARch oF fb EnabLed siGneups vs. non fb SigNups (ON deSktop
Web apPs) - ouTcOme: if You enaBle siGnUps via fb, you get mOre sIgned up
usErs.

I tHinK tHe pro/COn fb coMmeNts/Signups DiscussIOn sHoULD Be Based on data
(data thaT iS EAsY to get on Our own WEbPrOPerties) aNd Not On opINIons.

------
aLpb
I AM uSing DISQuS (versIOn 2012) FoR a while On My persOnAl bLog And I aM Very
PleaseD. I get morE commENts than the timeS i installed FB COMmENTs, i Get
mOre Traction and PeopLE actUallY ShAre THrougH DISQuS STaR Button.

Here's a blog posT I Wrote aBout sWitching to DISqUS
[http://ahmETALpbalkan.Com/bLOg/DIsqus-addressed-My-
conCerns-...](http://aHMetalpbaLkan.cOm/blog/diSqus-addreSSEd-my-concErnS-
prEttY-weLL/)

------
azNHisoka
It's alsO BAd SEo-wIse. User GenErated cOntEnt Can HelP yOu with lonG tail
ranKiNgS

~~~
KIrO
FaCebooK Comments ArE crAwLed.

~~~
FranzE
If googLebot ChooSeS tO RenDer the pAGe, WHIch iS - iN mY expEriEnCe - not
AlwaYS thE case (soMetimes thE fb STreaM gOt Indexed, The spage got foUnD for
it, the oThEr tIme notHINg, sometiMes a page that got found for A Comment TheN
lost The cOmment agaIn, pRetty rAndOM stuff). But yeaH, if yoU tHinK IT's
worTH It You CaN still fetcH THe fB commEnT strEam and pUt it below the fb
plugIN.
 to start shooing away man y people w ho'doth erw is e be 
int erested in par t icip ating. Some/many willsimpl yn ever co me ba ck.

FB ha s a p en et rat io n  o f rou ghl y 50% o f the popu lat io n in first w o rl d develope d
n ations, andtha t seem stob e its  ze nith(usage has ac tually st ar t ed fal l ing
int h eUS a nd other early-ad o pt e r regions). So  you'r ee xc l u din g r oughly hal fyourp otentia l  p a r t ici p ants.

How th e FB usagep att ern di st rib u tes ac rossyo u r t arget/desir able  populati on
iso f cours e  anothe r ques tio n.I do n 't  h ave  t h e a n sw ers onthat.

~ ~~ 
f ranze 
asi s a id b efo re:i wou ld love thatsom ebod y  co mes u p wit h abe tterstudyand
p ro ves my mini sam plewrong, sa dly  i  kn ow  none . 

i di d a  si milar r esearch offb e n ab led signeups vs. n on f bsignups(on de s kt op web apps )- o utco m e : ifyoue na ble sign ups vi a  f b,  you ge tmore s ig ned  up 
user s .

i  think  the pro /conf b comments/sig n ups discussio n  s h o ul d  bebas ed on data(dat a  tha t is ea syt o get  on o ur ow n  webproperties) and  n ot onopini ons.

------alpb
I amu s i ng DISQU S (v e rs i on 2012) for a  whil e on my pe r sonal bl og an d I am v ery
pleas e d . I getmor e c omm ent s th an the timesI inst al led FBCom ments,I g etmor e t ra ction and  peopleac tu al ly  sh are t h rough DI SQ USst arbutto n .

Her e's a  blo gpo s t I  wrotea bo u t  swi tc hi ng t o D IS QUS
[ http : //a hmetalp balkan.co m/b l og/d is qu s-addre ssed-my-
conc er ns-...](ht tp :// ahmeta l p balkan.c om/blog/disqus-addresse d -my-con cer ns-
p rett y-well/)
-- ----
A znH i soka
I t's al so ba dSEO - w ise.U s er  ge ne rated cont e n t c an he lp  you  with l ong tail
rankings~~~ 
Kiro
Faceboo k c omme n t sare cr a wle d. 
~~ ~ franze
if googl ebot choos es to  render th e  pa ge , which  is - i n mye xperien ce - notalways th ecase ( som etimes the  fb stre am got in d exed, th e spa gegot fo un d f or
it , theo the r tim e noth in g, som etime sa page t hat got found for a com ment t hen
l ost  the comm ent aga in, prett y ra ndom stuff ).but  yeah , i f  youthin k  i t's worth  ity ou can st i ll  fe t c hthe fb comm e n t  st reamand put it  bel ow the fb
plugin. 
 to_start shooing_away many people who'd_otherwise be
interested_in_participating. Some/many_will_simply never come_back.

FB has a_penetration of roughly 50%_of the population_in_first world developed
nations, and that seems to be its zenith (usage has actually started_falling
in_the US_and_other_early-adopter regions). So you're excluding_roughly half
your potential participants.

How the_FB usage_pattern distributes across your target/desirable population
is of course_another_question. I don't_have the answers on that.

~~~
franze
as i said before: i_would love that somebody comes up_with a better_study_and
proves_my mini sample wrong,_sadly i know none.

i did a_similar research of fb enabled signeups_vs. non fb signups (on desktop
web apps)_- outcome: if you enable signups_via fb, you get more_signed up
users.

i_think the pro/con fb comments/signups_discussion should be_based on_data
(data that is_easy to get on our own_webproperties) and not_on opinions.

------
alpb
I am using DISQUS (version_2012)_for a while_on_my_personal blog_and I am_very
pleased._I get_more_comments than the times I installed_FB_Comments, I get
more traction and people actually_share through DISQUS star_button.

Here's_a blog post I_wrote about switching to DISQUS
[http://ahmetalpbalkan.com/blog/disqus-addressed-my-
concerns-...](http://ahmetalpbalkan.com/blog/disqus-addressed-my-concerns-
pretty-well/)

------
AznHisoka
It's_also bad SEO-wise. User generated content_can help_you with_long tail
rankings

~~~
Kiro
Facebook comments are crawled.

~~~
franze
if googlebot chooses to render the page,_which is - in my experience_- not
always the case_(sometimes the_fb_stream got indexed,_the_spage got_found for
it, the other time nothing, sometimes_a page_that got found for a comment_then
lost the comment again,_pretty_random stuff). but yeah, if you_think it's
worth it you can still_fetch the fb comment stream_and_put_it below the fb
plugin.