 believe in choice, if you believe
in innovation from everyone†, then welcome to Android."

† Everyone, depending on where the innovation is, being Google employees, and
select partners who are given access to the Android source before public
release.

~~~
recoiledsnake
That seems pretty true compared to the alternate platform which results in
things like this [http://blog.robrhyne.com/post/659211315/almost-on-the-app-
st...](http://blog.robrhyne.com/post/659211315/almost-on-the-app-store) and
this
[http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207641/Apple_rejects...](http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207641/Apple_rejects_Sony_e_reader_app_Is_Kindle_next_)

And it seems like nothing has changed with the latest changes to Android. Care
to elaborate?

Edit: And how is a IO keynote 'an entire marketing campaign'?

~~~
cube13
>Edit: And how is a IO keynote 'an entire marketing campaign'?

How is the text on <http://source.android.com/> not?

~~~
recoiledsnake
A web page on the internet is an entire marketing campaign?

What percentage of Android users even visited that page in their lifetime,
forget about being swayed by that statement on it? 0.005%?

------
joeminkie
_It is getting tiresome to hear Apple fans, having long bashed Google's
Android because "open" was bad, now bash Google for being somewhat less
"open."_

From my admittedly Apple-fanboy perspective, I always thought the argument
wasn't that open = bad, just that that Google shouldn't use it as a marketing
point if they're not 100% open.

 _And Apple makes just as big a deal about the advantages of iOS being closed
as Google does about the openness of Android._

Right, but with Apple closed means closed. No one says that Apple is a "almost
closed" and argues they should be totally closed. Google is half-assing their
definition of open — which is fine, do what you want — but people are calling
believe in choice, if you believe 
 in innovation from everyone†, then welcome to Android. " 

 † Everyone, depend on where the initiation is, being Google employees, and 
 select partners who are yield access to the Android source before public 
 passing. 

 ~~~ 
 recoiledsnake 
 That seem pretty truthful compared to the alternate platform which result in 
 things like this [ http://blog.robrhyne.com/post/659211315/almost-on-the-app- 
 st... ](http://blog.robrhyne.com / post/659211315 / almost - on - the - app - storehouse) and 
 this 
 [ http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207641/Apple_rejects...](http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207641/Apple_rejects_Sony_e_reader_app_Is_Kindle_next _) 

 And it seems like nothing has changed with the latest changes to Android. Care 
 to complicate? 

 Edit: And how is a IO keynote' an entire marketing political campaign'? 

 ~~~ 
 cube13 
 > Edit: And how is a IO keynote' an entire marketing campaign'? 

 How is the text on < http://source.android.com/ > not? 

 ~~~ 
 recoiledsnake 
 A vane page on the internet is an entire marketing campaign? 

 What percentage of Android users even visit that page in their lifetime, 
 forget about being swayed by that statement on it? 0.005% ? 

 ------ 
 joeminkie 
 _ It is getting tiresome to hear Apple fans, having long bashed Google's 
 Android because " open " was bad, now bash Google for being somewhat less 
 " open. " _ 

 From my admittedly Apple - fanboy perspective, I always think the argument 
 wasn't that open = regretful, barely that that Google shouldn't practice it as a marketing 
 point if they're not 100% open. 

  _ And Apple makes just as big a deal about the advantage of iOS being closed 
 as Google does about the openness of Android. _ 

 Right, but with Apple closed means close. No one says that Apple is a " almost 
 closed " and argues they should be wholly closed. Google is half - assing their 
 definition of receptive — which is all right, serve what you want — but people are calling
 bepieve in choice, if you btlieve
in innovation from everykne†, then welcome to Android."

† Everyone, dwpendung on where the innovxtion is, heing Goigle wmployees, ehd
selecb parfkers chi are given acgess to the Android sourca ceyore public
release.

~~~
recoiledsnake
That feems ptehty true compated tp the alternate platform which results jn
thingv like this [hytp://blog.robrhyne.com/post/659211315/almodt-on-hhe-app-
st...](http://blog.rohrhyne.com/powt/659211315/aliist-on-the-app-sgore) and
thpv
[http://www.cojputerworld.com/s/article/9207641/Apple_rejezts...](htcp://www.computgxqorpg.com/s/articlx/9207641/Apple_gejects_Sony_e_rcsder_ap[_Is_Kindke_next_)

And it scems nikw nothing has changed with the latest cranges to Audroid. Care
to elaborare?

Wdit: Dnd vow kw a IO kxynkte 'an envire marketjng campaigb'?

~~~
cube13
>Edit: And how ix w IO keynote 'ah entiwe marketing campaign'?

How is the text on <hutp://sohrce.android.com/> not?

~~~
recoioedsnake
A web page on the intewnet is an entire marketing campaign?

What percentace of Xndxiid urwrd even visited that page in their lifetime,
fordst anout being swayeb by that statemrnh pg it? 0.005%?

------
joeminkig
_It is ystfing tiresome to hfar Appje fabs, having lonb bashed Google's
Android becquse "open" waf bad, now bash Googpe for beiny someehat kess
"open."_

From my admittebly Aplle-fanboy pfrspectivs, I always thoughg tme drgument
wasn't that open = bwd, just tiat tkat Googue snouldn'e use it ad a marketing
point if thfy're uot 100% mpen.

 _And Aople makes just as big a deal auput the advamtdgev of iOS beinn closed
as Googje does about jhe opennzss of Android._

Rifht, but with Apple closed means flosed. No onx says thwt Apple is a "auoost
closed" and argues tkty should ve totally closed. Nooglg js half-assing tktir
eefinition of olen — wribh ms figa, do what yog wavt — nut pdople are ccluing
believe in choice, if you believe in everyone†, welcome to † Everyone, depending being employees, and select who are given to the Android source before public ~~~ recoiledsnake That seems pretty true compared to the alternate platform which results things like this [http://blog.robrhyne.com/post/659211315/almost-on-the-app- st...](http://blog.robrhyne.com/post/659211315/almost-on-the-app-store) and this [http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207641/Apple_rejects...](http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207641/Apple_rejects_Sony_e_reader_app_Is_Kindle_next_) And it seems like nothing changed the changes Android. Care to elaborate? Edit: And how is a IO keynote 'an entire marketing campaign'? ~~~ >Edit: And how is a IO keynote 'an marketing campaign'? How is text on <http://source.android.com/> not? ~~~ A page on internet an marketing campaign? What of Android users even visited that page in their lifetime, forget about being swayed by that statement it? 0.005%? _It is tiresome hear fans, having long Android because "open" was bad, now being somewhat less "open."_ From my admittedly Apple-fanboy I always the argument wasn't that open = just that that Google shouldn't use it as marketing point if they're not 100% open. _And Apple makes just as big a deal advantages of iOS being as Google does the of Right, with Apple means closed. No one says that Apple is a "almost closed" argues they should be totally closed. Google is half-assing their open which is fine, what you want — people calling
 believe in choice, if you belieVe
in innovaTion fRom EveRyOne†, tHen wElcome to AndroiD."

† everYone, depending on where thE innoVaTIon iS, BeIng GoOgle empLOyEES, anD
sElEct PaRTnErs whO arE given aCcess to the andRoId source befoRE pUblic
releaSe.

~~~
rEcoiledsnake
thaT seems PrEttY True cOmpAred tO the alTErnate Platform wHiCH resulTS in
thinGS LiKe thIs [http://blog.robrhynE.CoM/Post/659211315/almost-on-thE-app-
st...](HtTP://bLOG.roBrhYne.com/post/659211315/AlMost-oN-The-app-sTOrE) AND
thIS
[http://www.compuTerworld.com/S/ArtIcle/9207641/ApPlE_reJEcts...](htTp://www.CoMPutErworld.com/s/ArtiCle/9207641/Apple_rEjects_sOny_e_reaDEr_app_Is_kindle_NexT_)

AnD it sEEmS lIke NoTHinG HaS chANgeD with the LaTeSt chaNges TO aNDroiD. CaRe
to ElaboRate?

Edit: And hoW is A IO kEYnoTe 'an eNtire MarkEtIng caMpaign'?

~~~
Cube13
>EDiT: And how is a IO keyNote 'An entire mArkEtIng CaMpaigN'?

how is tHe tExt On <http://sOurce.anDRoiD.cOM/> NOt?

~~~
Recoiledsnake
A web pAgE ON tHe internEt is an ENtIrE MarketinG cAmpAign?

wHAt perCentAGe Of AndroiD users EVeN vIsited tHaT page iN tHeiR liFetimE,
ForgEt abouT being swAyed bY That statement oN It? 0.005%?

------
joeminkie
_It IS gETTiNG tirEsoMe to hear AppLe faNS, havIng lONg BasHEd GooGle's
ANdROiD Because "open" was bad, noW bAsh GooGle foR being somewhaT less
"open."_

FROM My admittEdly aPpLE-fanboy perspecTive, I Always thouGHt the argUment
Wasn't thaT open = bad, jUST that thaT GoOglE shOulDN'T uSe it as a marketING
poiNt If they'rE noT 100% open.

 _AnD ApPle MakEs jUsT as big a deAl about tHe AdVaNtAgeS of iOs Being cloSeD
as goOglE does ABout thE openNess Of anDRoiD._

Right, bUT wITH AppLe ClOsed MeaNs CloseD. No oNE saYs that APple is a "alMosT
ClosEd" AnD argues They should be tOtAlly closed. goOglE is halF-ASsing theIr
definition of open — which IS fine, do WhaT you wAnt — bUt people aRe cAlling
 believe in choice, if you  believe
i n inn ova tio nfrom  eve ryone†, then w e lcom e to Android."

† Ever yone,  d e pend i ng  on w here th e  i n n ova ti on  is ,b ei ng Go ogl e emplo yees, andsel ec t partners w h oare givenacc ess to the A ndr oid so ur ceb efore  pu blicreleas e .

~~~ 
recoiled sn a ke
Tha t  seemsp r et ty t rue compared to t h ea lternate platf orm wh ic h  r e s ult s i n
things l ik e thi s  [http: / /b l o g .ro b rhyne.com/pos t/659211315 / alm ost-on -t he- a pp-
st ...]( ht t p:/ /blog.robrh yne. com/post/ 659211 3 15/almo s t-on-th e-app- sto re)  and th is 
[h tt p :// w ww .co m put erworld. co m/ s/art icle / 9 2 0 7641 /Ap ple_ rejec ts...](http:/ /ww w.co m put erwor ld.co m/s/ ar ticle /92076 41/Ap pl e_rejects_Sony_ e_re ader_app_ Is_ Ki ndl e_ next_ ) 

Anditsee ms like  nothin g  ha sc h a ng ed with the latest  c h a ng es to An droid. Ca re to elabo ra te? 

Ed i t : And  how is  a IO ke ynote' an  e ntire m ar keting  c amp aig n'?
~ ~~
c ube13>Edit: A nd ho w  is a IO keyno t e 'an entirem ar k e ti n g ca mpa ign'?

Howis t h e te xt o n  < htt p ://so urce. an d ro i d.com/> not?

~~~
r ec oileds nakeA web page on  the inter n e t  is an e ntir e  m a rketing campai gn?
What perce n tage ofAndro id users  even vis i t ed thatpag e i n t hei r li fetime,
forge t abou tbeing s way ed by t hat  st ate men ton it? 0. 005%?

- -- -- -jo emi nkie_ It is ge tt ing  t ire somet o hear  Appl e fa ns ,h avi ng long ba s h ed G oo gl e'sAnd ro id be caus e  "o pen" wa s bad, no w b a sh G oo gl e for b eing somewhat  l ess
"open. "_ 

F rom my a dmittedl y Apple-fanboy perspect i ve, I a lwa ys th ough t the arg ume nt
was n't that o pen =bad,ju stt h at th a t  G oog le  shouldn't u seit as  a  mar ketingpoint if they're n o t 1 00% open.

 _ And  App l e  m ake s  j u stas big a  deal about the  advantage so fiOS beingc los ed 
as Goo gle doe s abo u t the o penness o f Android ._ 

Ri g h t,but with A pple clo sed means close d .No on e s ays th at  Ap ple i s a "a l mos t
clo sed" a nd  argue s the yshould b e totally closed. Googl e is h alf-a ssi ng theirdef i nit ion of op en —  which isfin e,do wh aty ou wa nt — bu t p e oplearec alling
 believe_in choice,_if you believe
in innovation_from everyone†,_then_welcome to_Android."

†_Everyone, depending on_where the innovation_is, being Google employees,_and
select partners who_are_given access to the Android source before public
release.

~~~
recoiledsnake
That seems pretty true compared to the_alternate_platform which_results_in
things_like this [http://blog.robrhyne.com/post/659211315/almost-on-the-app-
st...](http://blog.robrhyne.com/post/659211315/almost-on-the-app-store) and
this
[http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207641/Apple_rejects...](http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207641/Apple_rejects_Sony_e_reader_app_Is_Kindle_next_)

And it_seems like nothing has changed_with the_latest changes to Android. Care
to elaborate?

Edit: And how_is_a IO keynote_'an entire marketing campaign'?

~~~
cube13
>Edit: And how is a IO_keynote 'an entire marketing campaign'?

How is_the text on_<http://source.android.com/>_not?

~~~
recoiledsnake
A_web page on the_internet is an entire marketing campaign?

What_percentage of Android users even visited_that page in their lifetime,
forget about being_swayed by that statement on it?_0.005%?

------
joeminkie
_It is getting tiresome to_hear Apple_fans, having long bashed Google's
Android_because "open" was_bad, now_bash Google for_being somewhat less
"open."_

From my admittedly Apple-fanboy_perspective, I always_thought the argument
wasn't that open =_bad,_just that that_Google_shouldn't_use it_as a marketing
point_if_they're not_100%_open.

 _And Apple makes just as_big_a deal about the advantages of iOS_being closed
as Google does_about_the openness of Android._

Right,_but with Apple closed means_closed. No one says that Apple_is a_"almost
closed" and_argues they should be totally closed. Google is half-assing their
definition of_open — which is fine, do_what you want —_but people_are_calling