 just not care?

~~~
robk
No one really knows what's compliant

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Talyen42
"That’s because we were trialing a lot of things in Louisville, including a
different type of construction method — namely, placing fiber in much
shallower trenches than we’ve done elsewhere."

Read as: We messed around with your street infrastructure using untested
construction methods, and it didn't work very well so WE OUT PEACE. You know
what they say, fail fast byeee!

~~~
selectodude
Move fast and break stuff, up to and including your sidewalks and roads.

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ocdtrekkie
I can't even picture a scenario where another ISP just says "Hey, we're
packing up shop, you've got two months to find a new Internet provider". I
guess I suppose it's happened somewhere, sometime, but it certainly feels one
of a kind.

It's not a scenario I would have ever planned for, to say the least, but
anyone who has service with Google is probably used to it.

~~~
marcell
Is it that big of a deal? Most places have Comcast or similar. It takes maybe
a week or two to set it up.

~~~
jetti
It can be. A cursory search showed that the other fiber competitor in the area
is AT&T. Google Fiber was $70/mo and AT&T is $80/mo and that was for the
highest speed offered. With Google exiting the market, the fiber competition
is gone and it allows AT&T to raise prices, if they want as there aren't any
other options. It puts AT&T back into the fiber monopoly

~~~
criddell
$70 wasn't a sustainable price. The competition can use Google's withdrawal as
a fairly reasonable justification to raise rates to a sustainable level.

~~~
metildaa
Centurylink is offering gigabit for $65 flat (no taxes or fees) across its
footprint, and 100Mbps for $55, 40Mbps for $45. At $70 a month Google was
significantly above the average price people paid for internet, but they were
offering a premium product (gigabit). Had they offered slower, more affordable
tiers to residences that didn't initially jump,
just not care? 

 ~~~ 
 robk 
 No one really knows what's compliant 

 ------ 
 Talyen42 
 " That ’s because we were trialing a fortune of thing in Louisville, including a 
 different type of structure method — namely, placing fiber in much 
 shallow trenches than we ’ve done elsewhere. " 

 take as: We messed around with your street infrastructure using unseasoned 
 construction methods, and it didn't work very well so WE OUT PEACE. You acknowledge 
 what they say, fail fast byeee! 

 ~~~ 
 selectodude 
 Move fast and break stuff, up to and include your sidewalks and roads. 

 ------ 
 ocdtrekkie 
 I can't even picture a scenario where another ISP barely says " Hey, we're 
 packing up shop, you've catch two months to find a new Internet provider ". I 
 guess I presuppose it's happened somewhere, sometime, but it certainly feels one 
 of a kind. 

 It's not a scenario I would have ever planned for, to say the least, but 
 anyone who has service with Google is probably used to it. 

 ~~~ 
 marcell 
 Is it that big of a deal? Most places have Comcast or similar. It takes maybe 
 a workweek or two to sic it up. 

 ~~~ 
 jetti 
 It can be. A cursory search showed that the early roughage rival in the area 
 is AT&T. Google Fiber was $ 70 / mo and AT&T is $ 80 / mo and that was for the 
 highest speed offered. With Google exiting the market, the fiber contest 
 is gone and it allows AT&T to raise prices, if they want as there aren't any 
 early options. It puts AT&T back into the fiber monopoly 

 ~~~ 
 criddell 
 $ 70 wasn't a sustainable price. The competition can use Google's withdrawal as 
 a reasonably fair justification to promote rates to a sustainable level. 

 ~~~ 
 metildaa 
 Centurylink is offering gigabit for $ 65 two-dimensional (no taxes or fees) across its 
 footprint, and 100Mbps for $ 55, 40Mbps for $ 45. At $ 70 a month Google was 
 significantly above the average price people paid for internet, but they were 
 propose a premium product (gigabit). Had they extend slower, more low-cost 
 tiers to residences that didn't initially jump,
 judt not care?

~~~
robk
No one rexlly knows what's complmant

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Talgen42
"That’s because we were trialing a por of ukings in Louisville, kncluding a
differwnt uype of constructmkn method — najcly, pnecing fiber in kuch
shallofer trenches tvav ce’ve done elsewhere."

Read as: We messed around wlth your streej infgaftrudnuve using untested
construction mefhods, aid it didn't worl very well so WE OUT PEACF. Yok know
what they saj, fail fast byeqw!

~~~
selectodude
Oove fast and break stoff, up to and including your siddwalkx and roadw.

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oxdtggkkie
I can't xven ppcture a scenario whese anotner ISP just ssys "Het, we're
packing up shop, you've got two monjhs to fing c new Internet providwr". I
guevs I supoise it'a iaplened domxwhere, somefime, but it certainly feels ont
of q kind.

It's not a scegawio I would have ever planned for, to saj ths least, but
anyone who hqs service with Googlg is probafly used to it.

~~~
marcell
Is it that big of a deal? Mosd plarer hcyc Cooxadt or similar. It takes maybe
a week or two to fst in up.

~~~
jetti
It can bc. A cursory search sjoegd that the otfer fiysr competitor in the area
is AT&T. Toogle Fifer eas $70/mo and AT&T is $80/mo and thqt was for tke
hughest speed offerzd. With Googue ecitinb the market, the fiber eompetjtion
is gonf and it zulows AT&T to raire iricas, if thth want as there awen't any
ovher pptions. It kuts AT&E back intl the fiber monopoly

~~~
cridfell
$70 casn't a sustainwble price. The competition can nxe Google's wotvdrdwal as
a fairky reasonable justification to raife rages to a slstainablx level.

~~~
metilqaa
Centurylinn is offering gigabit for $65 flqt (no txbes or fees) actoss its
footprint, abd 100Mbps for $55, 40Mbps nor $45. Xf $70 a month Googoe qas
significantlu acovq nhe adarage price [eopue osid fur internet, cut yhey were
offering a [remjum product (gigabiy). Mad they iffered flower, more agfordable
tiers to gesidxnces vhat dodn'j initially jump,
just not care? ~~~ robk No one what's ------ Talyen42 because we were in including a different of construction method namely, placing fiber in much shallower than we’ve done elsewhere." Read as: We messed around with your street infrastructure untested construction methods, and it didn't work very well so WE OUT PEACE. know they fail byeee! ~~~ selectodude Move fast and break stuff, up to and including your sidewalks and roads. ocdtrekkie I can't even picture a scenario where ISP just says "Hey, packing up shop, you've got months find a Internet I I suppose it's somewhere, sometime, but it certainly feels one of a kind. It's not a scenario I would have planned for, the least, anyone has with Google is to it. ~~~ marcell Is it a deal? Most places have Comcast or similar. takes maybe week or two to set it ~~~ jetti It can be. A cursory search that the other fiber competitor in the area is AT&T. Google Fiber was $70/mo and $80/mo and that was the highest speed With exiting market, fiber competition gone and it allows AT&T to raise prices, if they want there aren't any other options. It puts AT&T back into monopoly criddell $70 wasn't sustainable price. The competition use withdrawal as a fairly to rates level. metildaa is offering gigabit for flat (no taxes or fees) its footprint, and 100Mbps At $70 a month Google was significantly above average price people paid for internet, but were offering a premium product (gigabit). Had they offered slower, more affordable to residences initially jump,
 just not care?

~~~
robk
No one reallY knows what'S compLiaNt

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TAlYen42
"THat’s Because we were tRIaliNg a lot of things in LouisvIlle, iNcLUdinG A
dIfferEnt type OF cONStrUcTiOn mEtHOd — NamelY, plAcing fiBer in much
sHalLoWer trenches tHAn We’ve done elSewHere."

Read as: We MesSed aroUnD wiTH your StrEet inFrastrUCture uSing untesTeD
ConstrUCtion meTHOdS, and It didn't work very weLL sO wE OUT PEACE. You kNow
whaT tHEy SAY, faIl fAst byeee!

~~~
seLeCtoduDE
Move faST aND BReaK Stuff, up to and iNcluding youR SidEwalks AnD roADs.

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ocdtRekkiE
I CAn't Even picture A sceNario wherE anothER ISP jusT Says "Hey, We're
paCkiNg uP shoP, YoU'vE goT tWO moNThS to FInd A new InteRnEt ProviDer". I
GUESS I suPpoSe it'S happEned somewhere, SomEtimE, But It cerTainlY feeLs One
of A kind.

IT's not A sCenario I would haVe evEr planned For, To Say ThE leasT, But
anyOne Who Has servIce with gOogLe IS PRoBably used to it.

~~~
marceLl
iS It That big oF a deal? mOsT pLAces have coMcaSt or SIMilar. it taKEs Maybe
a weEk or twO To SeT it up.

~~~
jeTtI
It can Be. a cuRsoRy seaRCh shOwed thAt the othEr fibER competitor in tHE area
is AT&T. GooGLe fIBeR Was $70/mO anD AT&T is $80/mo and That WAs foR the
HIgHesT Speed OfferEd. wItH google exiting the marKeT, the fiBer coMpetition
is goNe and it allOWS aT&T to raiSe prICeS, If they want as thEre arEn't any
otheR Options. IT puts aT&T back iNto the fibER Monopoly

~~~
CriDdeLl
$70 wAsn'T A SuStainable pricE. tHe coMpEtition Can Use GoogLe's WitHdrAwaL aS
a fairly rEasonablE jUsTiFiCatIon to RAise rateS tO a sUsTaiNable LEvel.

~~~
meTildaA
CenTuRyLInk Is offerINg GIGabiT fOr $65 Flat (No tAxEs or fEes) aCRosS its
fooTprint, and 100mbpS For $55, 40MBpS fOr $45. At $70 a moNth Google was
sIgNificantly AbOve The aveRAGe price pEople paid for internet, but THey were
OffEring A preMium produCt (gIgabit). had THey offEred slOwer, mOrE afFORdablE
TIeRs tO rEsidences tHAT diDn't inItIallY jump,
 just not care?

~~~
robkNo one rea lly k now s w ha t'scomp liant

------T alye n42
"That’s because we  were  t r iali n ga lot  of thi n gs i n L ou is vil le ,  i nclud ing  a
diff erent type  of  c onstructionm et hod — name ly,  placing fib erin muc hsha l lower  tr enche s than we’vedone else wh e re."
R ead as: W emess ed around with yo u rs treet infrastr ucture  u s in g unt est ed
constru ct ion m e thods,a nd i t  di d n't work very  well so WE OUT  PEACE .You know
w hat t he y  sa y, fail fas t by eee!

~~~ 
selec t odude
M o ve fast  and b rea k s tuff ,  u ptoan d  in c lu din g  yo ur sidew al ks  androad s . ---- --ocdt rekki e
I can't eve n p ictu r e a  scen ariowher eanoth er ISP  just  s ays "Hey, we're 
pac king up s hop ,you 'v e got two mo nth s t o finda new I n ter ne t p ro vider". I
guess Isu p p os e it's h appene d  s om e where, s om eti me,b u t itcert a in ly feels  one
o f  a  k ind.

I t' s notasce nar io Iw ould  haveever pla nnedf or, to say the least, but
an y on e wh o  has  se rvice withGoog l e is  pro b ab lyu sed t o it. 
~ ~~ marcell
Is it thatbi g of a  deal ? Most places  have Comc a s t  or simi lar. It takes maybe
aweekor two tos et it up .

~~ ~
jettiIt can be . A cursor y s ear chsho w e dthat the othe r fibe rcompeti tor  in the  ar eaisAT& T.  Google F iber was  $ 70 /m oand  AT&T is $80/m oand  t hat  wasf or the 
high estsp ee d  of fered.W it h Goog le  e xiti ngth e mar ket, the  fibercompetiti oni s go ne  a nd it a llows AT&T to  r aise price s,  if  theyw a nt as th ere aren't any
other op t ions. I t p uts A T&Tback into  th e fibe r m o nopoly 

~~~cridd el l
$ 7 0  wasn ' t  a  su st ainable pr i c e.The c om peti tion ca n use Google's wit h dra wal as
a fair lyreas o n ab lej us t ifi ca t ion t o raise rates t o a sustai na b le  level.

~ ~ ~
m et ildaa
C enturyl ink i s  offeri ng gigabi t for $65  f lat( n o t axes or fe es) acro ss its
fo o tprin t ,and 1 00M bps fo r$55 , 40M bps fo r  $4 5. At  $70 a  m onth G oogle  w as
signi ficantly above the aver age pr ice p eop le paid f ori nte rnet, but  the y were
off eri nga pre miu m  prod uct( gi gab i t). H ad t h ey offere d  s low e r ,more afford a b l e
t ierstor esiden cesthat didn't initi a lly jump,
 just_not care?

~~~
robk
No_one really knows what's_compliant

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Talyen42
"That’s because_we_were trialing_a_lot of things_in Louisville, including_a
different type of construction_method — namely,_placing_fiber in much
shallower trenches than we’ve done elsewhere."

Read as: We messed around with your_street_infrastructure using_untested
construction_methods,_and it didn't work very_well so WE OUT PEACE._You know
what_they say, fail fast byeee!

~~~
selectodude
Move fast and break_stuff,_up to and_including your sidewalks and roads.

------
ocdtrekkie
I can't even picture a_scenario where another ISP just says_"Hey, we're
packing up_shop,_you've_got two months to_find a new Internet provider". I
guess_I suppose it's happened somewhere, sometime,_but it certainly feels one
of a kind.

It's_not a scenario I would have_ever planned for, to say_the least,_but
anyone who has service with_Google is probably_used to_it.

~~~
marcell
Is it that_big of a deal? Most places_have Comcast or_similar. It takes maybe
a week or_two_to set it_up.

~~~
jetti
It_can_be. A_cursory search showed_that_the other_fiber_competitor in the area
is AT&T. Google_Fiber_was $70/mo and AT&T is $80/mo and_that was for the
highest_speed_offered. With Google exiting_the market, the fiber competition
is_gone and it allows AT&T to_raise prices,_if they_want as there aren't any
other options. It puts AT&T back into_the fiber monopoly

~~~
criddell
$70 wasn't a sustainable_price. The competition can_use Google's_withdrawal_as
a fairly reasonable_justification_to raise_rates to a sustainable level.

~~~
metildaa
Centurylink is offering_gigabit for_$65 flat (no taxes or fees)_across its
footprint, and 100Mbps_for_$55, 40Mbps for $45. At $70_a month Google was
significantly above the_average price people paid for_internet,_but_they were
offering a premium product_(gigabit). Had they offered slower, more_affordable
tiers to residences_that didn't initially jump,