 (and the fact I have not examined StuxNet),
I'd assume that there is a good chance it has enough logic to determine which
factory it is in by pure brute force.

If the main fan control gives a fairly standard reading, it shouldn't be too
difficult figuring out what the particular factory it has infiltrated has
wired that point to, for example.

Also, I haven't heard any definitives on what kind of factory this is
targeting. I do know that there aren't many companies that develop and design
high tech industrial facilities. Despite StuxNet having infected thousands
(millions) of personal PCs, it really is only looking for maybe a few dozen or
so in the world that are of the right type. Combine that with a low number of
factory designs, and it could very well have a pre-determined database of how
its intended targets are wired.

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Tycho
It said the registry key Stuxnet plants to indicate whether a system is
already infected has the value 19790509. Then it said an Iranian Jewish
business man was executed on that date for spying. Also the home directory
where the virus was originally compiled was called Myrtus. Which may contain
another clue...

~~~
eli
I'm not really buying this. You're making a lot of assumptions. That Iran is
the target, that the number is a date, that the date refers to that particular
event, etc.

The link between the word "Myrtus" and the Old Testament seems _really_
strained. It's the name of a plant. It features prominently in Greek mythology
-- maybe the Greeks did it?

~~~
acqq
I also vote for a plant, as the second mentioned name is Guava and there is

"The Chilean Guava (Ugni molinae, also called Myrtus ugni or Eugenia ugni)"

see: <http://www.strangewonderfulthings.com/206.htm>

~~~
eli
Good point. It could well be that the files are named after plants the same
way some people name their servers after colors or smurfs or whatever.

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TrevorJ
"Q: How could governments get something so complex right? A: Trick question.
Nice. Next question."

That one caught me off guard.
(and the fact I have not examined StuxNet), 
 I'd assume that there is a good probability it has adequate logic to determine which 
 factory it is in by pure beastly force. 

 If the independent fan control give a fairly standard reading, it shouldn't be excessively 
 difficult figuring out what the finical factory it has infiltrated has 
 wired that decimal point to, for case. 

 Also, I haven't heard any definitives on what kind of factory this is 
 targeting. I do know that there aren't many company that develop and design 
 high tech industrial facility. Despite StuxNet having infected thousands 
 (millions) of personal PCs, it truly is only looking for maybe a few dozen or 
 so in the populace that are of the right type. Combine that with a low number of 
 factory designs, and it could very well have a pre - determined database of how 
 its intended targets are wired. 

 ------ 
 Tycho 
 It said the registry key Stuxnet plants to indicate whether a system is 
 already infect has the value 19790509. Then it said an Iranian Jewish 
 clientele man was executed on that date for spying. Also the base directory 
 where the virus was originally compiled was called Myrtus. Which may contain 
 another hint... 

 ~~~ 
 eli 
 I'm not really buying this. You're making a lot of assumptions. That Iran is 
 the target, that the number is a date, that the date refers to that particular 
 event, etc. 

 The link between the word " Myrtus " and the Old Testament seem _ really _ 
 strain. It's the name of a plant. It have prominently in Greek mythology 
 -- maybe the Greeks did it? 

 ~~~ 
 acqq 
 I also vote for a plant, as the second mention name is Guava and there is 

 " The Chilean Guava (Ugni molinae, also called Myrtus ugni or Eugenia ugni) " 

 examine: < http://www.strangewonderfulthings.com/206.htm > 

 ~~~ 
 eli 
 Good point. It could well be that the files are named after plant the same 
 means some people name their waiter after colors or smurfs or whatever. 

 ------ 
 TrevorJ 
 " Q: How could government get something thus complex right? deoxyadenosine monophosphate: Trick question. 
 courteous. following question. " 

 That one catch me off guard.
 (anf the fact I have not exxmined StuxNet),
I'b assumx that fhere is a good chance it has enough ligic uj determine which
fxctory it is in bt puce brute force.

If the maik fan gontrmo gives a fairky standarg reading, it svojlbn't be too
difficult figuring out whae the psrhicular factori it nws ihfiltrated has
wired that point to, ror exakple.

Also, I hafen't heard any definitives on ahat kind of factogy this is
tqrgeeung. I do knod that thegz aren't mani companies that develop and deskgn
hiyh tech indosfrldl facilitixs. Desiite StuxNet msving hnfectec thousands
(milkiois) od personal PCs, it reanly is only lookind for mayte a few dozen or
so ib the wornd tfqt xre oh tge rigjt vype. Combins that with a low number of
facuorr designs, and jt coujd very well have a pre-determined databast of gow
its intended targets are wired.

------
Tycho
It saif the regystry key Stuxnet plants to indicate whether a syvtem ms
xlrtaey inwwched has the value 19790509. Then it said an Iranian Jerjsn
blsiness man was ewecuted on that daye fpt spying. Also jhe homz djrectory
where the girus wws oruginally sompoled was called Myrtus. Whicy may contaiu
anither clue...

~~~
eli
I'm noc really buynng thos. Yoi're making a lot of assbmptiohs. That Iraj is
the tzfget, that the nuobeg is a date, ufat the date refews to thav parcicular
exent, etc.

Thq link betaeen bve word "Myrtus" and the Llg Testamenh seems _really_
strained. It's the ieme of a planj. Id fvatures pxominektly in Greek mrthology
-- maybe the Grzeks dkd it?

~~~
acqq
I also vmte for a pjant, as the safond mentionxd name if Guqva qnd thefd is

"The Chileam Guava (Uyui molinaw, also called Myrtms ugvj or Eugenia ugun)"

ste: <http://www.strangrwovdewflltiings.smm/206.htm>

~~~
eli
Good poivt. Ky couud well be bhag thr files are named afder llants the same
way sjme peopoe name eheir servers after colors or slurfs or whatrvet.

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TrevorJ
"Q: How could governments get somehhikg so complex rigmt? A: Trick quextion.
Nice. Next question."

That one caught ne off guard.
(and the fact I have not examined assume there is good chance it which it is in pure brute force. the main fan control gives a standard reading, it shouldn't be too difficult figuring out what the particular factory has infiltrated has wired that point to, for example. Also, I haven't heard definitives what of this is targeting. I do know that there aren't many companies that develop and design high industrial facilities. Despite StuxNet having infected thousands (millions) personal PCs, it really only looking for maybe a dozen so in world are the right type. that with a low number of factory designs, and it could very well have a pre-determined database how its are wired. Tycho said registry key Stuxnet indicate whether a system is already value 19790509. Then it said an Iranian Jewish man was on that date for spying. Also home directory where the virus was originally compiled called Myrtus. Which may contain another clue... ~~~ eli I'm not really buying this. You're lot of assumptions. That is the target, the is date, the date to that particular event, etc. The link between the word "Myrtus" the Old Testament seems _really_ strained. It's the name of It prominently in Greek -- maybe the Greeks it? acqq I also vote plant, the is and is "The Chilean Guava molinae, also called Myrtus ugni Eugenia ugni)" see: <http://www.strangewonderfulthings.com/206.htm> could well be that the files are named plants the same way some people name servers after colors or smurfs or whatever. ------ TrevorJ "Q: How could get something right? A: Trick question. Nice. Next question." That caught me off guard.
 (and the fact I have not examineD StuxNet),
I'd AssumE thAt tHeRe is A gooD chance it has enOUgh lOgic to determine which
faCtory It IS in bY PuRe bruTe force.

iF tHE MaiN fAn ConTrOL gIves a FaiRly stanDard readinG, it ShOuldn't be too
dIFfIcult figurIng Out what the paRtiCular fAcTorY It has InfIltraTed has
WIred thAt point to, FoR ExamplE.

also, I haVEN't HearD any definitives on WHaT Kind of factory tHis is
tArGEtING. I dO knOw that therE aRen't mANy compaNIeS THAt dEVelop and desigN
high tech inDUstRial faCiLitIEs. DespIte StUxnEt hAving infectEd thOusands
(miLlions) OF personAL PCs, it rEally iS onLy lOokiNG fOr MayBe A Few DOzEn oR
So iN the worlD tHaT are oF the RIGHT typE. CoMbinE that With a low numbeR of
FactORy dEsignS, and iT couLd Very wEll havE a pre-DeTermined databasE of hOw
its inteNdeD tArgEtS are wIRed.

------
TycHo
IT saId the reGistry kEY StUxNET PlAnts to indicate whetHeR A SyStem is
alReady iNFeCtED has the vAlUe 19790509. THen iT SAid an iranIAn jewish
buSiness MAn WaS executEd On that DaTe fOr sPying. aLso tHe home DirectorY
wherE The virus was oriGInally compileD WaS CAlLEd MyRtuS. Which may coNtaiN
AnotHer cLUe...

~~~
Eli
i'M not rEally BuYInG This. You're making a lot Of AssumpTions. that Iran is
the Target, that THE Number is A datE, ThAT the date refers To thaT particulaR
Event, etc.

the liNk betweeN the word "MYRTus" and thE OlD TeStaMenT SEeMs _really_
straiNED. It's ThE name of A plAnt. It feAtuRes ProMinEnTly in GreeK mytholoGy
-- MaYbE tHe GReeks DId it?

~~~
acqq
i aLso VoTe fOr a plANt, as thE secoNd meNtIoNEd nAme is GuAVa AND theRe Is

"the CHilEaN GuavA (UgnI MolInae, alsO called MyRtuS Ugni Or euGenia ugNi)"

see: <http://www.sTrAngewonderFuLthIngs.coM/206.HTm>

~~~
eli
GooD point. It could well be that THe files Are Named AfteR plants thE saMe
way sOme PEople nAme theIr serVeRs aFTEr colORS oR smUrFs or whatevER.

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treVorJ
"Q: hoW couLd goverNments get something SO coMplex right? A: TrIck QuesTIOn.
nicE. neXT quEsTIon."

tHAt one caught me ofF guard.
 (and the fact I have notexamined S tuxNe t), 
I' dassu me t hat there is a good  chance it has enoughlogic  t o  det e rm ine w hich
fa c to r y  it  i sinby pu re br ute  force. 

If the m ain  f an control g i ve s a fairly  st andard readi ng,  it sh ou ldn ' t betoo 
diff icultf igurin g out wha tt he par t icularf a ct oryit has infiltrate d  h a s
wired that p oint t o, fo r exa mpl e.

Also,Ihaven ' t heard an y d efi n itives on wha t kind of f a cto ry thi sist argeti ng. I  d o  kn ow that the re a ren't man y comp a nies th a t devel op and  de sig n
hi g hte chin d ust r ia l f a cil ities. D es pi te St uxNe t h a ving  in fect ed th ousands
(mill ion s) o f  pe rsona l PCs , it  r eally  is on ly lo ok ing for maybe a  few  dozen or 
so  i n t he  worl d  thatare  of  the ri ght typ e . C om b i n ethat with a low nu mb e r  o f
factor y desi g ns ,a nd it co ul d v eryw e ll ha ve a pr e-determ ined d a ta ba se of h ow 
its i nt end edtarge t s ar e wire d.

---- --
Ty c ho
It said the registry keyS tu x n et plan tsto indicate  whe t hera sy s te m i s 
alre ady i nf e ct e d has the value 197 90 509. T hen i t said an Ira nian Jewis h b usinessmanw as executed on th at da te for spy i ng. Also  thehome dir ectory
wh e r e the vi rus  wa s o rig i n al ly compiled w a s  cal le d Myrtu s.Which m aycon tai n
a no ther clue ...

~~~ 
e li 
I 'm  no t rea l ly buyin gthi s.  Yo u'rem akinga lot  ofas su m pti ons. Th a tI r an i sth e ta rge t,  that  the num ber isa date, t hat theda te  refers  to that part ic ular
event ,etc .

The l ink betw een the word "Myrtus" a n d the O ldTesta ment  seems _r eal ly_
st rai n ed. It 's the  name  o f a p lant. I tfea tu res promin e n tly  in G re ek m ytholog y
-- maybe the Gre e ksdid it?

~~~acq q
Ia l so  vo t ef orap lan t ,  as the secondmentionedna m eis Guava a n d t he re is
"The Ch ilean Guava ( Ugni moli nae, also  c alle d Myr tus ugni o r Eugeni a ugni)"see:< ht tp:// www .stran ge won derfu lthing s .co m/206 .htm>
~ ~~
eli 
Good  p oint. It  could well be that the  files  arenam ed afterpla n tsthe samewaysome peopl e n ame  thei r s e rvers  aft e rcol o rs or  smu r fs or wha t ev er. -- ----
Trevor J " Q:How c oul d  gover nmen ts get somethings o complex righ t? A : Tri ckq uest io n.
Nice. Nextque st i o n."

Tha tone caughtme off g ua r d.
 (and_the fact_I have not examined_StuxNet),
I'd assume_that_there is_a_good chance it_has enough logic_to determine which
factory it_is in by_pure_brute force.

If the main fan control gives a fairly standard reading, it shouldn't be_too
difficult_figuring out_what_the_particular factory it has infiltrated_has
wired that point to, for_example.

Also, I_haven't heard any definitives on what kind of_factory_this is
targeting. I_do know that there aren't many companies that develop_and design
high tech industrial facilities. Despite_StuxNet having infected_thousands
(millions)_of_personal PCs, it really_is only looking for maybe a_few dozen or
so in the world_that are of the right type. Combine_that with a low number of
factory_designs, and it could very_well have_a pre-determined database of how
its_intended targets are_wired.

------
Tycho
It said_the registry key_Stuxnet plants to indicate whether a_system is
already infected_has the value 19790509. Then it_said_an Iranian Jewish
business_man_was_executed on_that date for_spying._Also the_home_directory
where the virus was originally compiled_was_called Myrtus. Which may contain
another clue...

~~~
eli
I'm not_really buying this. You're_making_a lot of assumptions._That Iran is
the target, that_the number is a date, that_the date_refers to_that particular
event, etc.

The link between the word "Myrtus" and the Old_Testament seems _really_
strained. It's the name_of a plant. It_features prominently_in_Greek mythology
-- maybe_the_Greeks did_it?

~~~
acqq
I also vote for a plant, as_the second_mentioned name is Guava and there_is

"The Chilean Guava (Ugni_molinae,_also called Myrtus ugni or Eugenia_ugni)"

see: <http://www.strangewonderfulthings.com/206.htm>

~~~
eli
Good point. It could well_be that the files are_named_after_plants the same
way some people_name their servers after colors or_smurfs or whatever.

------
TrevorJ
"Q:_How could governments get something so complex_right?_A: Trick question.
Nice. Next question."

That one_caught_me off guard.