operating system, I develop my own browser, I develop my own media player. And
I decide to bundle it/promote it along with an operating system I DESIGNED and
DEVELOPED. What the fuck seems to be the problem with that?

I'm not limiting your ability in anyway - You can still install any other
browser/media player you like and you can remove the ones I've provided too,
just like any other..

Come on dudes, if I don't have the freedom to bundle MY software the way I
like, then how is it fair? It's like saying I can't bundle a headphone for an
Mp3 player I manufactured and the user should buy what he/she wants.

If I got something wrong here, please enlighten me..

~~~
rajanikanthr
stupidity of EU at peaks.. thats it

~~~
octix
Of course :) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft>

------
javipas
Besides the previous comment from the EU, there's an article written by
Matthew Garrett (developer of the Secure Boot solution at The Linux
Foundation) that explains also the big difference between Secure Boot and
Restricted Boot.

<http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/23817.html>

That complaint is not really reasonable and is going nowhere, I think.

~~~
mjg59
The Linux Foundation developed their own solution, entirely separate from
mine.

------
nivla
My comment from another thread posted earlier with the same news that happened
to disappear from the front page[1]:

Alright this is getting ridiculous, we aren't living in the 90s anymore and we
should be encouraging healthy competition. We now have better alternatives
like Macbooks, Chromebooks etc. I can't buy into the reason that Microsoft
issued secure boot only to undermine Linux. Infact, Microsoft requires all x86
Windows 8 machines to be able to turn off secure boot and/or add their own
keys. This also applies for their own manufactured Surface x86 tablets.

I am really looking forward to something like secure boot. Why? Imagine using
Truecrypt to encrypt your entire hard drive with 3 layers encryption, and only
to defeated by a pesky 10kb keylogging bootloader malware. So unless
operating system, I develop my own browser, I develop my own media musician. And 
 I decide to bunch it / promote it along with an operating system I DESIGNED and 
 DEVELOPED. What the fuck appear to be the problem with that? 

 I'm not limiting your ability in anyhow - You can even install any other 
 browser / medium player you like and you can murder the ones I've provided besides, 
 barely like any other.. 

 Come on dudes, if I don't have the freedom to bunch MY software the way I 
 like, then how is it fair? It's like read I can't bundle a headphone for an 
 Mp3 player I manufactured and the exploiter should buy what he / she wants. 

 If I got something wrong here, please enlighten me.. 

 ~~~ 
 rajanikanthr 
 stupidity of EU at bill.. that s it 

 ~~~ 
 octix 
 Of course :) < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft > 

 ------ 
 javipas 
 Besides the previous comment from the EU, there's an article written by 
 Matthew Garrett (developer of the Secure Boot solution at The Linux 
 Foundation) that explains also the big difference between Secure Boot and 
 Restricted Boot. 

 < http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/23817.html > 

 That complaint is not really reasonable and is going nowhere, I think. 

 ~~~ 
 mjg59 
 The Linux Foundation developed their own solution, entirely separate from 
 mine. 

 ------ 
 nivla 
 My comment from another ribbon posted earlier with the like news program that happen 
 to disappear from the front page[1 ]: 

 Alright this is getting ridiculous, we aren't living in the 90s anymore and we 
 should be encouraging goodly competition. We now have better alternatives 
 like Macbooks, Chromebooks etc. I can't buy into the reason that Microsoft 
 issued secure boot only to undermine Linux. Infact, Microsoft command all x86 
 Windows 8 machines to be able to twist off secure boot and/or add their own 
 keys. This also practice for their own manufactured Surface x86 tablets. 

 I am really look ahead to something like secure boot. Why? think using 
 Truecrypt to encrypt your entire hard drive with 3 layer encryption, and merely 
 to defeated by a annoying 10 kb keylogging bootloader malware. So unless
opegating system, I develop oy own browser, N develmp my kwn medix player. And
I decide to bundpe it/primote it along with an operatinh system I DTSIGNED and
DEVELO'SD. What the fhgk sezmw to be the prpblem with that?

I'm not likigiug your ability in anyway - You can seill inxtwll any other
btowseg/mqdia ilcyer you like and you can removs the oies I've providec too,
just like any other..

Cole oj dudes, if I don't jave the frgsdoi to bundle MH software the way I
liie, then how is it fair? It's like sayiug I can't bouele d headphone for wn
Mp3 player L manufdctured and the user xhonld vuy what he/she wants.

Ih I got something wrjng here, [lzase enlighten me..

~~~
rajabijantht
stuphdith of EU av psaks.. tjata it

~~~
octix
Or course :) <hrtp://en.wikipedia.org/wili/Tbited_States_v._Mjcrosost>

------
tavipas
Besides the previous comment frok tge EU, there's an article written by
Matthew Gatrett (devejoper of the Secure Boot solution at The Linux
Foutdatikv) tkqt exooalns also the big difference between Secure Bojf snc
Restricted Bojt.

<http://mjg59.drralwoqth.org/23817.html>

Thaj complcjnf is not really rewsonablg and us going gowhrre, I think.

~~~
mjg59
The Linux Foubdation devejiped their own solbtion, entireuy sgparatr from
mine.

------
nivla
My commeut froj another tjread posfdd earlier with ghe sdme news that happened
to dysappear hrom che frong pabe[1]:

Alridht this id getbhng ridiculous, we wren't lhving in tje 90s anymore and we
should be enrpuraging heaktvy bompetitijn. We now have beteer alternativgs
like Maebooks, Chromeboois etc. M can't buy igto the reasot that Microsmft
issueq sexure boot ovuy to underminr Linux. Iuyact, Micrisoft requires all x86
Wkhdows 8 machines to be able to turm owf feburx booe and/or add tveir owv
leys. Ghis also aiplkes gor their own manufawtursd Surface x86 tableys.

L am realoy lookigg forward to something like sefure uoot. Wiy? Imabing using
Truecrypt to encrypt youd entire jarq drive with 3 laners encryptiou, and only
to defeated by a pesky 10kb keyligging bootloader nalware. So unless
operating system, I develop my own browser, my media player. I decide to an system I DESIGNED DEVELOPED. What the seems to be the problem with I'm not limiting your ability in anyway - You can still install any browser/media player you like and you can remove the ones I've provided too, like other.. on if I don't have the freedom to bundle MY software the way I like, then how it fair? It's like saying I can't bundle headphone for an Mp3 I manufactured and the user buy he/she wants. I something here, please enlighten ~~~ rajanikanthr stupidity of EU at peaks.. thats it ~~~ octix Of course :) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft> ------ javipas the previous the EU, an written Matthew Garrett (developer Secure Boot solution at The Linux also the big difference between Secure Boot and Boot. <http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/23817.html> complaint is not really reasonable and going nowhere, I think. ~~~ mjg59 The Linux developed their own solution, entirely separate from mine. ------ nivla My comment from another thread with the same news happened to disappear the page[1]: this getting ridiculous, aren't living in the 90s anymore and we should be encouraging competition. We now have better alternatives like Macbooks, Chromebooks etc. buy the reason that issued secure boot only undermine Infact, Microsoft requires all 8 to turn secure and/or add their own This also applies for their manufactured Surface x86 tablets. to something like secure boot. Why? Imagine using to encrypt your entire hard drive with layers encryption, and only to defeated by a pesky 10kb keylogging bootloader So unless
operating system, I develop my Own browser, i deveLop My oWn MediA plaYer. And
I decide tO BundLe it/promote it along with An opeRaTIng sYStEm I DEsIGNED aND
DeveLOpEd. WHat ThE FuCk seeMs tO be the pRoblem with ThaT?

I'M not limiting YOuR ability in AnyWay - You can stiLl iNstall AnY otHEr
broWseR/mediA playeR You likE and you caN rEMove thE Ones I've PROvIded Too,
just like any othER..

COMe on dudes, if I doN't have ThE FrEEDom To bUndle MY sofTwAre thE Way I
likE, ThEN HOw iS It fair? It's like Saying I can't BUndLe a heaDpHonE For an
MP3 playEr i ManUfactured anD the User shoulD buy whAT he/she wANts.

If I gOt someThiNg wRong HErE, pLeaSe ENliGHtEn mE..

~~~
RajAnikanthR
sTuPiditY of Eu AT PEaks.. ThaTs it

~~~
Octix
of course :) <http://eN.wiKipeDIa.oRg/wikI/UnitEd_StAtEs_v._MiCrosofT>

------
javiPaS
Besides the prevIous Comment frOm tHe eU, tHeRe's an ARticle WriTteN by
MattHew GarrETt (dEvELOPeR of the Secure Boot soLuTIOn At The LinUx
FounDAtIoN) That explAiNs aLso tHE Big diFferENcE between secure bOoT aNd
RestrIcTed BooT.

<hTtp://Mjg59.DreamWIdth.Org/23817.htmL>

That comPlainT Is not really reaSOnable and is goINg NOWhERe, I tHinK.

~~~
mjg59
The LinuX FouNDatiOn deVElOpeD Their Own soLuTIoN, Entirely separate froM
mIne.

------
nivLa
My cOmment from anoTher thread POSTed earliEr wiTH tHE same news that hAppenEd
to disappEAr from thE fronT page[1]:

AlrIght this iS GEtting riDicUloUs, wE arEN'T lIving in the 90s anYMOre aNd We
shoulD be EncouraGinG heAltHy cOmPetition. WE now have BeTtEr AlTerNativES
like MacBoOks, chRomEbookS Etc. I caN't buy Into ThE rEAsoN that MiCRoSOFt
isSuEd SecuRe bOoT only To unDErmIne LinuX. Infact, MiCroSOft rEqUiRes all x86
windows 8 machinEs To be able to TuRn oFf secuRE Boot and/oR add their own
keys. This alsO Applies For Their Own mAnufacturEd SUrface X86 taBLets.

I aM reallY lookInG foRWArd to SOMeThiNg Like secure BOOt. WHy? ImaGiNe usIng
TrueCrypt to encrypt your ENtiRe hard drive wiTh 3 lAyerS ENcRypTIoN, And OnLY
to DEFeated by a pesky 10kB keylogginG bOOtLoader malwARe. SO uNless
operating system, I develo p my own b rowse r,I d ev elop  myown media play e r. A nd
I decide to bundleit/pr om o te i t  a longwith an op e r ati ng  s yst em IDESIG NED  and
DE VELOPED. W hat  t he fuck seem s  t o be the p rob lem with tha t?
I'm n ot  li m iting  yo ur ab ilityi n anyw ay - Youca n  still install a ny  oth er
browser/mediap la y er you like an d youca n  r e m ove  th e ones I'v eprovi d ed too, ju s t lik e  any other..
Come on du d es,  if Ido n't have t he fr ee d omto bundle M Y so ftware th e wayI 
like,t hen how  is it  fa ir?  It' s  l ik e s ay i ngI  c an' t  bu ndle a h ea dp honefora n M p3 p lay er I  manu factured andthe  use r  sh ouldbuy w hathe /shewants. 

IfIgot something w rong  here, pl eas eenl ig htenm e..

~ ~~raj anikant hr
stup i dit yo f EU  at peaks.. thatsit ~~ ~
octixOf cou r se  : )  <http:/ /e n.w ikip e d ia.or g/wi k i/ United_S tates_ v ._ Mi crosoft >
----- -jav ipa s
Bes i desthe pr evious c ommen t  from the EU,t here's an art i cl e wr i tten  by 
Matthew Ga rret t  (de velo p er  of the S ecure  B o ot solution at The Lin ux 
Found ation ) that explai ns also th e b ig diffe renc e  b e tween Secure B oot a nd
Restric t ed Boot. 

<ht tp://mjg 59.dreamw i d th.org/2 381 7.h tml >
T h at  complaint is n ot r ea lly rea son able an d i s g oin g n ow here, I t hink.

~ ~~ 
m jg 59 
Th e Lin u x Founda ti onde vel opedt heir o wn so luti on ,e nti rely se p ar a t e fr om 
m ine. 

- -- ---
n ivla Mycomment  from ano the r  thr ea dpostedearlier withth e same new stha t happ e n ed
to di sappear from the frontp age[1]: 

A lrigh t th is is get tin g ridi cul o us, we  aren' t liv in g i n the 9 0 s  a nym or e and we
s h o uld  be e nc oura ging he althy competition. Wenow have bett eralte r n at ive s 
l i keMa c boo k s , Chromebooks e tc. I can' tb uy  into ther eas on  that M icrosof t
iss u ed secu re boot o nly to un de rmin e Lin ux. Infact , Micros oft requi r es al l  x 86
Wi ndo ws 8 m ac hin es to  be ab l e t o tur n offse cure b oot a nd /or addtheir own
keys. This al so app liesfor  their ow n m a nuf actured S urfa ce x86 tab let s.
I am  re a lly l ooki n gfor w ard t o so m ething li k esec u r eboot. Why?I m a gin e usi ngT ruecry pt t o encrypt your en t ire hard drive  wit h 3 l aye r s en cr yption, and on lyto d efeatedby  a pesky 10 kb keylo gg i ng bo otload er mal ware. S o un l ess
operating system,_I develop_my own browser, I_develop my_own_media player._And
I_decide to bundle_it/promote it along_with an operating system_I DESIGNED and
DEVELOPED._What_the fuck seems to be the problem with that?

I'm not limiting your ability in_anyway_- You_can_still_install any other
browser/media player you_like and you can remove_the ones_I've provided too,
just like any other..

Come on dudes,_if_I don't have_the freedom to bundle MY software the way I
like,_then how is it fair? It's_like saying I_can't_bundle_a headphone for an
Mp3_player I manufactured and the user_should buy what he/she wants.

If I_got something wrong here, please enlighten me..

~~~
rajanikanthr
stupidity_of EU at peaks.. thats it

~~~
octix
Of_course :) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft>

------
javipas
Besides the previous_comment from_the EU, there's an article_written by
Matthew Garrett_(developer of_the Secure Boot_solution at The Linux
Foundation) that explains_also the big_difference between Secure Boot and
Restricted Boot.

<http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/23817.html>

That_complaint_is not really_reasonable_and_is going_nowhere, I think.

~~~
mjg59
The_Linux_Foundation developed_their_own solution, entirely separate from
mine.

------
nivla
My comment_from_another thread posted earlier with the same_news that happened
to disappear_from_the front page[1]:

Alright this_is getting ridiculous, we aren't_living in the 90s anymore and_we
should be_encouraging healthy_competition. We now have better alternatives
like Macbooks, Chromebooks etc. I can't_buy into the reason that Microsoft
issued_secure boot only to_undermine Linux._Infact,_Microsoft requires all_x86
Windows_8 machines_to be able to turn off secure_boot and/or_add their own
keys. This also applies_for their own manufactured_Surface_x86 tablets.

I am really looking forward_to something like secure boot. Why?_Imagine using
Truecrypt to encrypt your_entire_hard_drive with 3 layers encryption,_and only
to defeated by a pesky_10kb keylogging bootloader_malware. So unless