 young. Extrapolate that out to a decade, two decades, or an
entire career and I bet we would both be singing a different tune.

~~~
noir_lord
Oh I'm sure, some of those jobs would break you if you did them for a decade
or two, it's why I got into programming after training as an industrial
electrician, I looked at the guys I was working with who where 20-30 years
older than me (40-50) and they where messed up so I took a different path.

Again though I don't regret it, the training was useful and it taught me life
skills that are applicable to software engineering (though the stakes are a
little lower when not working with 11kV systems).

~~~
fzzzy
Serious question, you don't think programming is going to break you after a
decade or two?

~~~
noir_lord
I've been doing it full time since my mid-20's and I'm 39..so no?

------
frereubu
As David Runciman has pointed out in his book How Democracy Ends and on the
Talking Politics podcast -
[https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2017/71-how-
demo...](https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2017/71-how-democracy-
ends) \- if you could only ask one question of someone you'd never met before,
which would give you the best possibility of guessing whether they'd voted for
Brexit, it would be whether they went to university (Remain) or not (Leave).
He argues that, in the UK at least, there's a bubble of professional
politicians who all went to university and were completely blindsided by the
result of the Brexit referendum because they knew almost no-one who'd consider
(or admit to) voting Leave.

Also John Lanchester's compelling (to me) argument that the bailing out of the
banks after the crash (which was, on balance, right) followed quickly by
austerity (where everyone else unfairly picked up the cheque for the bailout)
lead directly to Brexit and Trump, because people were (to paraphrase the film
Network) "mad as hell, and not going to take this anymore!"
[https://www
young. Extrapolate that out to a decade, two decades, or an 
 integral career and I count we would both be spill the beans a different tune. 

 ~~~ 
 noir_lord 
 Oh I'm sure, some of those job would break you if you did them for a ten 
 or two, it's why I got into programming after training as an industrial 
 electrician, I look at the guys I was working with who where 20 - 30 year 
 older than me (40 - 50) and they where messed up then I lead a different path. 

 Again though I don't regret it, the education was useful and it taught me life 
 skill that are applicable to software engineering (though the stakes are a 
 small lower when not work with 11kV systems). 

 ~~~ 
 fzzzy 
 Serious question, you don't think programming is belong to break you after a 
 decade or two? 

 ~~~ 
 noir_lord 
 I've been doing it full time since my mid-20's and I'm 39.. therefore no? 

 ------ 
 frereubu 
 As David Runciman has pointed out in his book How Democracy Ends and on the 
 Talking Politics podcast - 
 [ https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2017/71-how- 
 demo... ](https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com / blog/2017/71 - how - democracy- 
 ends) \- if you could only ask one question of someone you'd never met before, 
 which would move over you the best possibility of guess whether they'd vote for 
 Brexit, it would be whether they went to university (Remain) or not (Leave). 
 He argues that, in the UK at least, there's a bubble of professional 
 politician who all went to university and were completely blindsided by the 
 result of the Brexit referendum because they know almost no - one who'd consider 
 (or admit to) voting Leave. 

 Also John Lanchester's compelling (to me) argument that the bailing out of the 
 bank after the crash (which was, on balance, right) followed quickly by 
 austerity (where everyone else unfairly picked up the check for the bailout) 
 precede directly to Brexit and Trump, because people were (to paraphrase the film 
 Network) " delirious as hell, and not going to take this anymore! " 
 [ https://www
 yokng. Extrapolate that out to a decade, two decadxs, or ah
entire zareer and I bet we would bovh bw sinting a different tune.

~~~
nuir_lord
Oh I'm sure, somt of those jobs would break you lf yob vid them for a cecade
or tfo, it's why I gmt iuto programming after training as an industtiwl
electrician, Y lophed zn uhe guys I was working with who wgere 20-30 ytars
older than me (40-50) and they where messed up do I took a different oath.

Again tyougr I don't regrdt it, the urcining was oseful and it taught me life
skilus thct are applucqblf to softwarx engigeering (thounn the vtakes sre a
little loeer whwn not working with 11kT systems).

~~~
fzzzy
Seriouf questiot, vou don't think progranmung iv gohng gi bfeai bou after a
dxcade or twk?

~~~
noir_lord
I'vw been doing it fulk epke since my jid-20's agd I'm 39..so no?

------
frereubu
As David Runciman has kointsd out in his book How Eemocracy Ends and on the
Talkigg Politics podcast -
[https://www.talkingpoliticspodcasd.com/bmug/2017/71-hiw-
qdno...](jttps://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2017/71-how-democwzcu-
ekds) \- if you coulb only ask one qiedtojn of someone you'd usvsr met before,
which would dive tou the btst ppssibility of guessing whetyer they'd voned dor
Brexit, it would be whether thei went to university (Remain) ox not (Meave).
He argkes that, jv the UK at leasg, tmera's a bubble of professionaj
politiciens wko all wdnt jo univqrsity and were completely blindsifed bi the
rasult of tje Brexit referendum because thxb knew almost nm-onv who'd cousider
(pr admit to) vjting Leave.

Alsp John Janchdster's comielling (tm me) argumegt that the bdlling out of the
bankf afrer rhe crarf (which was, on balance, giyht) folloqed quickly by
austcrity (shere everyone zuwe unfairly picled up tje craque for the baiuoug)
kead airectly to Crexot and Trump, because peolle were (to paraphtafe the fulm
Netwowk) "mad as helk, and not going to take thms anykorg!"
[https://www
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 young. Extrapolate that out to A decade, two DecadEs, oR an
EnTire CareEr and I bet we wouLD botH be singing a different tuNe.

~~~
noiR_lORd
Oh i'M sUre, soMe of thoSE jOBS woUlD bReaK yOU iF you dId tHem for a Decade
or twO, it'S wHy I got into prOGrAmming afteR trAining as an inDusTrial
eLeCtrICian, I LooKed at The guyS i was woRking with WhO Where 20-30 yEArs
oldeR THaN me (40-50) aNd they where messed UP sO i took a differenT path.

AGaIN tHOUgh i doN't regret it, ThE traiNIng was uSEfUL ANd iT Taught me life
sKills that arE AppLicablE tO soFTware eNgineErINg (tHough the staKes aRe a
little Lower wHEn not woRKing witH 11kV sysTemS).

~~~
fzZzy
SERiOuS quEsTIon, YOu Don'T ThiNk prograMmInG is goIng tO BREAk yoU afTer a
DecadE or two?

~~~
noir_lorD
I'vE beeN DoiNg it fUll tiMe siNcE my miD-20's and I'M 39..so no?

------
FrEreubu
As David RuNcimAn has poinTed OuT in HiS book hOw DemoCraCy ENds and oN the
TalKIng poLITIcS podcast -
[https://www.taLkINGpOliticspOdcast.COm/BlOG/2017/71-how-
demo...](HtTps://Www.tALKingpOlitICsPodcast.cOm/blog/2017/71-HOw-DeMocracy-
EnDs) \- if yoU cOulD onLy ask ONe quEstion Of someonE you'd NEver met before,
wHIch would give yOU tHE BeST posSibIlity of guesSing WHethEr thEY'd VotED for
BRexit, It WOuLD be whether they went tO uNiversIty (ReMain) or not (LeavE).
He argues tHAT, In the UK aT leaST, tHEre's a bubble of pRofesSional
poliTIcians whO all wEnt to uniVersity anD WEre complEteLy bLinDsiDED bY the
result of tHE brexIt ReferenDum Because TheY knEw aLmoSt No-one who'd Consider
(Or AdMiT tO) voTing LEAve.

Also JOhN LaNcHesTer's cOMpelliNg (to mE) argUmEnT ThaT the baiLInG OUt of ThE
bAnks AftEr The crAsh (wHIch Was, on baLance, righT) foLLoweD qUiCkly by
aUsterity (where EvEryone else UnFaiRly picKED up the chEque for the bailout)
lead diREctly to breXit anD TruMp, because PeoPle werE (to PAraphrAse the Film
NEtWorK) "MAd as hELL, aNd nOt Going to takE THis AnymoRe!"
[HttpS://www
 young. Extrapolate that o ut to a de cade,  tw o d ec ades , or  an
entire car e er a nd I bet we would both  be s in g inga  d iffer ent tun e .~ ~~no ir _lo rd Oh  I'msur e, some  of thosejob swould breaky ou  if you di d t hem for a de cad e
or t wo , i t 's wh y I  gotinto p r ogramm ing after  t r aining as an i n d us tria l
electrician, Il oo k ed at the guys  I was  w o rk i n g w ith  who where  2 0-30y ears
ol d er t h anm e (40-50) and  they where mes sed up  s o I took a  diff er e ntpath.

Agai n th ough I do n't re g ret it, the tra iningwas  us eful an ditta u ght me  li f e
s kills th at  a re ap plic a b l e  tosof twar e eng ineering (tho ugh  the sta kes a re alitt le  lowe r when  notwo rking with 11kV  sys tems).

~ ~~fz zzy 
S eriou s  quest ion , y ou don' t think pro gr a m m in g is going to brea ky o uafter adecade or  t w o?

~~~no ir_ lord I 've b eend oi ng it fu ll tim e  s in ce my m id -20'san d I 'm39..s o  no? 

---- --
frere ubu
A s  David Runcima n  has pointedo ut i nh is b ook  How Democr acyE ndsando nthe Talki ng Po li t ic s  podcast -
[https:/ /w ww.tal kingp oliticspodcas t.com/blog / 2 0 17/71-ho w-
d e mo . ..](https://ww w.tal kingpoliti c spodcast .com/ blog/201 7/71-how- d e mocracy- 
en ds)  \-  if y ou  could only a s k  one  q uestion  of  someon e y ou' d n eve rmet befor e,
which  w ou ld  g ive  yout he bestpo ssi bi lit y ofg uessin g whe ther  t he y 'dvoted f o rB r exit ,it  wou ldbe  whet hert hey  went t o univers ity (Rem ai n)  or not  (Leave).
Hear gues that,  i n t he UKa t  least,there's a bubble of pro f essiona l
p oliti cian s who all  we nt touni v ersity  and w ere c om ple t e ly bl i n ds ide dby the
res u l t o f the  B rexi t refer endum because they kne w almost no-o newho' d co nsi d er (or  a d mit t o) voting Leave .

Also Jo hn La nchester's com pe lling ( to me)argum e nt that  the bail ing out o ftheb a nks  after the  crash ( which was ,  on b a la nce,rig ht) fo ll owe d qui ckly b y 
au steri ty (wh er e ever yoneel se unfai rly picked up the chequ e forthe b ail out)
lead  di r ect ly to Bre xitand Trump,  be cau se pe opl e  were  (to pa rap h rasethef ilm
Netwo r k)  "m a d  a s hell, and n o t g oingtot ake th is a nymore!"
[https:/ / www
 young._Extrapolate that_out to a decade,_two decades,_or_an
entire career_and_I bet we_would both be_singing a different tune.

~~~
noir_lord
Oh_I'm sure, some_of_those jobs would break you if you did them for a decade
or two, it's_why_I got_into_programming_after training as an industrial
electrician,_I looked at the guys_I was_working with who where 20-30 years
older than me_(40-50)_and they where_messed up so I took a different path.

Again though_I don't regret it, the training_was useful and_it_taught_me life
skills that are_applicable to software engineering (though the_stakes are a
little lower when not_working with 11kV systems).

~~~
fzzzy
Serious question, you don't_think programming is going to break_you after a
decade or two?

~~~
noir_lord
I've_been doing_it full time since my_mid-20's and I'm_39..so no?

------
frereubu
As_David Runciman has_pointed out in his book How_Democracy Ends and_on the
Talking Politics podcast -
[https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2017/71-how-
demo...](https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2017/71-how-democracy-
ends) \-_if_you could only_ask_one_question of_someone you'd never_met_before,
which would_give_you the best possibility of guessing_whether_they'd voted for
Brexit, it would be whether_they went to university_(Remain)_or not (Leave).
He argues_that, in the UK at_least, there's a bubble of professional
politicians_who all_went to_university and were completely blindsided by the
result of the Brexit referendum_because they knew almost no-one who'd_consider
(or admit to) voting_Leave.

Also John_Lanchester's_compelling (to me)_argument_that the_bailing out of the
banks after the crash_(which was,_on balance, right) followed quickly by
austerity_(where everyone else unfairly_picked_up the cheque for the bailout)
lead_directly to Brexit and Trump, because_people were (to paraphrase the_film
Network)_"mad_as hell, and not going_to take this anymore!"
[https://www