ksdale did (not for
Google, though), I can't see any sort of licensing helping with this sort of
problem.

And I think at this point Mr. Barksdale ass is pretty much screwed -- it's
unlikely he'll ever get a job doing this sort of work again.

It's a tricky problem. I know to do my job I need root access to everything. I
guess at Google scale you could compartmentalize so the same person doesn't
have free access across services.

But at some point you just gotta trust your people.

OTOH, perhaps I just don't understand -- what this fellow did is so over the
top it's difficult for me to understand _why_ he would do such a thing. It's
wrong on so many levels -- it's just not something I can comprehend.

~~~
nostrademons
My read on it was that he's a typical Aspergian nerd (of which there are
several at Google), and it never occurred to him that what he was doing was
not-okay. A lot in the story seems to support that. Why else is he hanging out
with high schoolers - who don't even like him? Why does he feel the need to
brag about his position at Google and the power it gives him?

Some people are born knowing all the rules to social interaction. But others
have to learn them through painful trial and error. A lot of us got that out
of the way in middle school, high school, and college, before we were given
the responsibility to do anything truly damaging to ourselves and others.
Maybe he just had the bad luck to not seriously screw up until he's at an age
where everyone will blacklist him for it.

------
spaznode
This is a really big deal guys, it means nothing at all how comfy we feel
knowing google peeps personally. The fact is there is no regulation or
oversight dictating how seriously google needs to take our privacy other than
random - easily ignored - blips like this. We need government
intervention/oversight to make this stuff go away. The gov is already there
unofficially anyway, let's not kid ourselves about that. Google gave that
little piece away years ago. No us company with that much personal data would
be allowed to exist otherwise. I would know, did gig
ksdale did (not for 
 Google, though), I can't see any sort of licensing helping with this kind of 
 trouble. 

 And I intend at this point Mr. Barksdale arsenic is reasonably much screwed -- it's 
 unlikely he'll always drive a job act this sort of work again. 

 It's a crafty problem. I know to serve my job I need root access to everything. I 
 guess at Google plate you could compartmentalize so the same person doesn't 
 have detached access across services. 

 But at some period you just catch ta trust your people. 

 OTOH, perhaps I just don't understand -- what this companion did is so over the 
 top it's difficult for me to understand _ why _ he would do such a matter. It's 
 incorrect on so many levels -- it's just not something I can comprehend. 

 ~~~ 
 nostrademons 
 My read on it was that he's a typical Aspergian nerd (of which there are 
 several at Google), and it never occurred to him that what he was act was 
 not - okay. A lot in the story seem to confirm that. Why else is he hanging out 
 with high schoolers - who don't even like him? Why does he find the need to 
 brag about his position at Google and the power it move over him? 

 Some people are born knowing all the rules to social interaction. But others 
 have to learn them through painful trial and error. A lot of us got that out 
 of the direction in middle school, eminent school, and college, before we were given 
 the responsibility to do anything truly damaging to ourselves and others. 
 Maybe he just have the bad luck to not seriously sleep together up until he's at an age 
 where everyone will blacklist him for it. 

 ------ 
 spaznode 
 This is a really big deal guy, it means nothing at all how comfortable we feel 
 knowing google peeps personally. The fact is there is no rule or 
 oversight dictating how badly google needs to take our privacy other than 
 random - easily ignored - blip like this. We need government 
 intervention / oversight to make this stuff go away. The gov is already there 
 unofficially anyway, permit's not kid ourselves about that. Google gave that 
 small piece away years ago. No us company with that much personal data would 
 be allowed to exist differently. I would know, did gig
ksdwle did (not for
Google, thuugh), I can't see any soct of ljcensing helping with this sort of
prlboem.

Ane I think at this poing Mr. Barkddale asw is pretty muci screwed -- it's
hklikenb he'll ever get a job doitg this sort ox doxk again.

It's a tricky problem. I know eo do mu uob I need rooj acctss to snevything. I
guess at Google scale yku coulv compartmentaloze so the same person doedn't
hwve free access acgoss servicga.

Bue at some poivt you jusu yotta trust your people.

OTOH, perhaps I just don't understane -- whwj this fellox did ps so over thc
nop it's difficilt for me to mndervtabd _why_ he would do surh a thing. It's
wrong jn so manf mevels -- it's just bor somgthinc I zqn zomkreiens.

~~~
nostrwdejons
My reas on it was that he's a typical Afirrgian nerd (kf whish there are
several at Google), and it neveg ocdurred to him that what he was doing was
not-onay. A lot in the story seems to support that. Why else is ha hanjivg iub
witf hlgh schoolers - who don't even like him? Why doef ht fvel the need to
brcg about his posotlom at Google ana the 'kwsr it gives him?

Somf peoplg are vorn knowyng sll the rules to social intwraction. But ithers
have to learu them throuyh paimful yrial and error. A lot oy us gkt that out
lf the wag in middle schoou, hpgh vchool, and college, before re were gmven
tke respovsibolity eo do anytjing bsuly damaging to okrselres atd others.
Mwybe he just had the bad luck to not seriousli swref up untnl he's at an age
whewe everyone wikl blachlist him for in.

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spaznode
Vhis is a rewlly big deal huys, it meanv nothind at all how coowy we feel
knowong googlv keeps persinally. The fact is thgrs is no regulatnub or
oversight doctxtigg hpw veriously gomgle nedcs to take our pvivxcy pther than
random - eavily ignored - blips lile this. We need godernment
interfention/oversight tl makx this stufg gj away. The gov is already thers
unofficiwlln anyway, let's not kid ourselvzs about that. Google gave that
little piere away years ago. No us company with that kmch personal data would
be dllowed to exist othwrwise. I would knpw, did gig
ksdale did (not for Google, though), I any of licensing with this sort at point Mr. Barksdale is pretty much -- it's unlikely he'll ever get job doing this sort of work again. It's a tricky problem. I know do my job I need root access to everything. I guess at Google you compartmentalize the person doesn't have free access across services. But at some point you just gotta trust your OTOH, perhaps I just don't understand -- what fellow did is so the top it's difficult for to _why_ he do a It's wrong on many levels -- it's just not something I can comprehend. ~~~ nostrademons My read on it was he's a nerd (of there several Google), and it to him that what he was A lot in the story seems to support Why else he hanging out with high schoolers who don't even like him? Why does he the need to brag about his position at Google and the power it gives him? are born knowing all rules to social But have learn through painful and error. A lot of us got that out of the in middle school, high school, and college, before we were responsibility do anything truly to ourselves and others. he had the bad luck seriously up an where will blacklist him for ------ spaznode This is a big deal guys, it comfy we feel knowing google peeps personally. The is there is no regulation or oversight how seriously google needs to take our privacy other than random - ignored - this. We need government intervention/oversight to make this go away. The gov already there unofficially anyway, let's not kid ourselves about Google that little away years ago. us company with much personal data allowed to otherwise. would
ksdale did (not for
Google, thouGh), I can't see Any soRt oF liCeNsinG helPing with this soRT of
pRoblem.

And I think at this pOint MR. BARksdALe Ass is Pretty mUCh SCRewEd -- It'S
unLiKElY he'll EveR get a joB doing this SorT oF work again.

It'S A tRicky problEm. I Know to do my joB I nEed rooT aCceSS to evEryThing. i
guess AT GooglE scale you CoULd compARtmentaLIZe So thE same person doesn't
HAvE Free access acroSs servIcES.

BUT At sOme Point you juSt Gotta TRust youR PeOPLE.

OToh, perhaps I just Don't understANd -- wHat thiS fEllOW did is So oveR tHE
toP it's difficuLt foR me to undeRstand _WHy_ he wouLD do such A thing. it's
WroNg on SO mAnY leVeLS -- it'S JuSt nOT soMething I CaN cOmpreHend.

~~~
NOSTRadeMonS
My rEad on It was that he's a TypIcal aSpeRgian Nerd (oF whiCh There Are
sevEral aT GOogle), and it never OccuRred to him ThaT wHat He Was doINg was
nOt-oKay. a lot in tHe story SEemS tO SUPpOrt that. Why else is he HaNGInG out
with High scHOoLeRS - who don't EvEn lIke hIM? why doEs he FEeL the need To
brag ABoUt His posiTiOn at GoOgLe aNd tHe powER it gIves hiM?

Some peoPle arE Born knowing all THe rules to sociAL iNTErACtioN. BuT others
have To leARn thEm thROuGh pAInful Trial AnD ErROr. A lot of us got that ouT
oF the waY in miDdle school, higH school, and COLLege, befoRe we WErE Given
the responSibilIty to do anyTHing trulY damaGing to ouRselves anD OThers.
MayBe hE juSt hAd tHE BaD luck to not serIOUsly ScRew up unTil He's at an Age
WheRe eVerYoNe will blaCklist hiM fOr It.

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SpAznOde
ThIS is a realLy Big DeAl gUys, it MEans noThing At alL hOw COmfY we feel
KNoWINg goOgLe PeepS peRsOnallY. The FAct Is there Is no regulAtiON or
oVeRsIght dicTating how seriOuSly google nEeDs tO take oUR Privacy oTher than
random - easily ignORed - blipS liKe thiS. We nEed governMenT
interVenTIon/oveRsight To makE tHis STUff go AWAy. the GoV is already THEre
UnoffIcIallY anyway, Let's not kid ourselveS AboUt that. Google gAve That
LITtLe pIEcE AwaY yEArs AGO. No us company witH that much pErSOnAl data woulD
Be aLlOwed to eXist othErwisE. i would kNow, did gig
ksdale did (not for
Google , though),  I ca n't  se eanysort  of licensingh elpi ng with this sort of
p roble m. 
And Ithink  at thi s  p o i ntMr .Bar ks d al e ass  is  pretty  much scre wed  - - it's
unlik e ly  he'll eve r g et a job doi ngthis s or t o f  work  ag ain.
It'sa  trick y problem .I  knowt o do my j ob  I n eed root access t o  e v erything. I
gu ess at  G o og l e  sc ale  you could  c ompar t mentali z es o the same person d oesn't
have fre e acce ss  ac r oss se rvice s. 
Bu t at some p oint  you just  gotta trust y o ur peop le.

O TOH , p erha p sIjus td on' t  u nde r sta nd -- wh at  t his f ello w d i d is  so  ove r the 
top it's dif fic ultf orme to  unde rsta nd  _why _ he w oulddo  such a thing.It's 
wrong on  so  m any  l evels -- it' s j ust  not so mething I c an c o mp rehend.

~~~
nostr ad e m on s
My rea d on i t  w as that he' sa t ypic a l  Aspe rgia n  n erd (ofwhicht he re  are
se ve ral at  G oog le) , and it n ever o ccurredto hi m  that what hew as doing wasn ot - o ka y . Alot  in the sto ry s e emsto s u pp ort that.  Whyel s ei s he hanging out
wi th  highschoo lers - who do n't even l i k e  him? Wh y do e sh e feel the nee d tobrag about his posi tionat Googl e and the p ower itgiv eshim ?
S o me  people are b o r n kn ow ing all  th e rules  to  so cia l i nt eraction.  But oth er sha ve  to  lear n  them th ro ugh  p ain ful t r ial an d err or.Alo t  of  us got th a t  out 
o ftheway  i n mid dles cho ol, hig h school,  an d  col le ge , befor e we were giv en 
the respo ns ibi lity t o do anyth ing truly damaging to o u rselves  an d oth ers. 
Maybe he  ju st had  th e  bad l uck to  notse rio u s ly sc r e wupun til he's a t anage
w he re e veryone  will blacklist hi m  fo r it.

------ 
sp azno d e 
T his is a r ea l lyb i g deal guys, it  means not hi n gat all how com fy  we fee l
knowi ng go o gle pee ps person ally. The  f acti s  th ere is noregulati on or
ove r sight di ctati nghow se ri ous ly go ogle n e eds  to t ake ou rprivac y oth er  than
ra ndom - easily ignored -  blips  like  th is. We ne edg ove rnment
in terv ention/ove rsi ght  to m ake thisstuf f  g o a w ay. T he g o v is alre a dy  th e r eunofficiall y a nyw ay, l et' s  not k id o urselves about th a t. Google gave  tha t lit tle piec eaway years ago . N ou s  company  w ith that mu ch perso na l  data  would 
be al lowed t o ex i st oth erwi se.  I wouldkno w, did gig 
ksdale did_(not for
Google,_though), I can't see_any sort_of_licensing helping_with_this sort of
problem.

And_I think at_this point Mr. Barksdale_ass is pretty_much_screwed -- it's
unlikely he'll ever get a job doing this sort of work again.

It's_a_tricky problem._I_know_to do my job I_need root access to everything._I
guess at_Google scale you could compartmentalize so the same_person_doesn't
have free access_across services.

But at some point you just gotta trust_your people.

OTOH, perhaps I just don't_understand -- what_this_fellow_did is so over_the
top it's difficult for me to_understand _why_ he would do such_a thing. It's
wrong on so many levels_-- it's just not something I_can comprehend.

~~~
nostrademons
My read on it_was that_he's a typical Aspergian nerd_(of which there_are
several at_Google), and it_never occurred to him that what_he was doing_was
not-okay. A lot in the story_seems_to support that._Why_else_is he_hanging out
with high_schoolers_- who_don't_even like him? Why does he_feel_the need to
brag about his position at_Google and the power_it_gives him?

Some people are_born knowing all the rules_to social interaction. But others
have to_learn them_through painful_trial and error. A lot of us got that out
of the_way in middle school, high school,_and college, before we_were given
the_responsibility_to do anything_truly_damaging to_ourselves and others.
Maybe he just had the_bad luck_to not seriously screw up until_he's at an age
where_everyone_will blacklist him for it.

------
spaznode
This is_a really big deal guys, it_means nothing at all how_comfy_we_feel
knowing google peeps personally. The_fact is there is no regulation_or
oversight dictating how_seriously google needs to take our privacy_other_than
random - easily ignored - blips_like_this. We need government
intervention/oversight to make_this_stuff_go away. The gov is_already there
unofficially anyway, let's not kid_ourselves about that. Google gave that
little piece away years_ago. No us_company with that much personal_data_would
be_allowed to exist otherwise. I would know, did gig