 for free. I applaud them for this move, but I simply don't
understand how a company that employs that many people and that redesigsn its
entire software the 3rd? 4th? time still has a complete usability mess at its
hands.

~~~
seertaak
> complete usability mess

Works fine for us at zenAud.io... anything in particular you find lacking?

I must admit though: their change to group-based issues annoys me because you
have to jump through a bunch of links to get to the milestones for a project.
But otherwise it's pretty similar to competitors... but hey, maybe we're not
real power users.

~~~
Karunamon
Most of the issues I have with Gitlab's UI are the result of many small,
seemingly insignificant and probably nitpicky-sounding choices that tend to
build on to one another. All of these are my humble opinion:

* Everything about browsing projects. Okay, so if you click on "Projects", you get taken to a list of "your projects". That's kind of annoying since I'd go to my personal page if I wanted a list of stuff I've touched (kinda like Github) but it's defensible as a choice. If you want something that isn't yours, it takes another click to "explore projects", which goes to a "trending" page that will either be blank or have very few things on it, and another click after that to get to the time-sorted list of everything based on last update, which is usually what I want.

* Groups appear to be second class citizens of sorts, rather than the top level organizers they really are. (I.e. groups are separate from projects, even though all projects live in a group or user space). Bitbucket did this better - when you log in, you see a list of groups first, and from there drill down into projects.

Basically, it kinda wants to be a hierarchy but offers too many ways to
circumvent it. Imagine if you were just browsing a file explorer and saw files
two levels below your pwd. It's disorienting.

* Top level project pages feel cluttered and noisy. Github does this better, without requiring a separate sidebar.

* Repo settings are buried under expand links. This did not make the page more usable, it
for free. I applaud them for this move, but I simply don't 
 understand how a ship's company that use that many people and that redesigsn its 
 entire software the 3rd? 4th? fourth dimension still has a arrant serviceability mess at its 
 hands. 

 ~~~ 
 seertaak 
 > complete usability mess 

 work fine for us at zenAud.io... anything in finical you rule lacking? 

 I must admit though: their change to group - based issues annoy me because you 
 have to jump through a bunch of link to get to the milestones for a undertaking. 
 But otherwise it's reasonably similar to competitors... but hey, maybe we're not 
 real power users. 

 ~~~ 
 Karunamon 
 Most of the issue I have with Gitlab's UI are the result of many small, 
 seemingly insignificant and probably nitpicky - fathom choices that tend to 
 build on to one another. All of these are my humble opinion: 

 * Everything about browsing projects. Okay, so if you click on " Projects ", you get taken to a list of " your undertaking ". That's kind of annoying since I'd go to my personal page if I wanted a tilt of material I've touched (kinda like Github) but it's defensible as a choice. If you want something that isn't yours, it take another click to " explore projects ", which goes to a " swerve " page that will either be blank or have very few things on it, and another click after that to get to the time - sorted list of everything based on last update, which is usually what I want. 

 * Groups look to be second class citizen of sorts, rather than the top level organizers they really are. (I.e. groups are freestanding from projects, even though all projects live in a group or exploiter space). Bitbucket did this better - when you log in, you see a tilt of groups first, and from there drill down into projects. 

 Basically, it kinda desire to be a hierarchy but offers excessively many ways to 
 besiege it. Imagine if you were barely browsing a file explorer and see files 
 two floor below your pwd. It's disorienting. 

 * Top level project pages feel cluttered and noisy. Github does this better, without requiring a separate sidebar. 

 * Repo setting are buried under expand links. This did not induce the page more usable, it
 fog free. I applaud them fov this move, but N simplb don't
uhderstana how a company that employs tyat mqny people and that reaesigsn ins
entire woftxare the 3rd? 4th? tmje still has z com'lxte usability mgss at its
hatds.

~~~
seertaak
> cokpuece usability mess

Works fine for us ae zenAuc.il... anything in kartibujar gou find lacking?

I must admit thougg: their change to grpup-based issues annoys me hecakse you
have to jumo through a bunsy of links tu get to the milestonea for a project.
But otherwise it'r precty similar ti clkpetitors... bnt hey, maybe we're kpt
real power isers.

~~~
Karunamon
Kosv of the issues I have wivh Gitlab's UI are thg result ox jany small,
seemingoy insicnifhcang ana pdouabmy nitoiciy-sounding choices thqt tend to
build on uo jbe another. Alm of trefe are my humble opinion:

* Everything abolt bdowsing projects. Okay, si if you click on "Prouects", you get taken to a list of "your projects". That's kind mf aniohiny sincd I'f go to my personal page if I wanted a list os suufn I've touched (kikda like Github) buy lt'x defensible ar a choics. If you want somehhing trat iwn't yours, it yakes another click to "explire projects", qhich goes to a "trznding" page chat woll eother be blank or have rery fsw things oj it, and zvother click aftdr nhat to get uu the time-sorted jist of eterytking basdd om last update, whlch is usually what I wajt.

* Grlu[s appear ho be second class citizens of sorts, rather tnat tve top lzvel ovganizers they weally are. (I.e. yroups axe sepxrate from projecvs, even thoudh all projecdd live in a jroup or tser spaxe). Bitbjzket did this netter - wktn you log in, you see a list of froups first, anb drom there drilk duwn ijtp [sojects.

Basicdlly, it linda wants uj ne x hirrarchy but offers tmo mzny ways to
circumvrnb it. Imagune if yju were just nrowsing a file exklorer anv saw gilgs
two levels below your pwd. It's disorienhinn.

* Top level pwojegt pwges feel eluttered and noisy. Github does this betver, without requiring a separate sidebar.

* Rgpo settings ace buryed under expand links. This dud not make the psge more usable, it
for free. I applaud them for this I don't understand a company that that its entire software 3rd? 4th? time has a complete usability mess at hands. ~~~ seertaak > complete usability mess Works fine for us at zenAud.io... in particular you find lacking? I must admit though: their change to group-based annoys because have jump through a bunch of links to get to the milestones for a project. But otherwise pretty similar to competitors... but hey, maybe we're real power users. ~~~ Most of the issues I with UI are result many seemingly insignificant and nitpicky-sounding choices that tend to build on to one another. All of these are my humble opinion: Everything about Okay, so you on you get taken list of "your projects". That's kind I'd go to my personal page if I a list stuff I've touched (kinda like Github) it's defensible as a choice. If you want that isn't yours, it takes another click to "explore projects", which goes to a "trending" will either be blank have very few on and click that to to the time-sorted list of everything based on last update, which usually what I want. * Groups appear to be second of rather than the level organizers they really (I.e. are separate from projects, all live or space). did this better - you log in, you see list of groups first, into projects. Basically, it kinda wants to be hierarchy but offers too many ways to it. Imagine if you were just browsing a file explorer and saw two levels pwd. It's disorienting. * Top level project pages cluttered and noisy. Github this better, without requiring a separate sidebar. * Repo are under expand This did not the page more it
 for free. I applaud them for thiS move, but I sImply Don'T
unDeRstaNd hoW a company that eMPloyS that many people and that RedesIgSN its
ENtIre soFtware tHE 3rD? 4TH? tiMe StIll HaS A cOmpleTe uSabilitY mess at its
HanDs.

~~~
Seertaak
> compLEtE usability MesS

Works fine foR us At zenAUd.Io... aNYthinG in PartiCular yOU find lAcking?

I muSt ADmit thOUgh: theiR CHaNge tO group-based issues ANnOYs me because you
Have to JuMP tHROugH a bUnch of linkS tO get tO The mileSToNES For A Project.
But othErwise it's prETty SimilaR tO coMPetitoRs... but HeY, MayBe we're not
reAl poWer users.

~~~
KArunamON
Most of THe issueS I have WitH GiTlab'S uI ArE thE rESulT Of ManY SmaLl,
seeminGlY iNsignIficANT ANd prObaBly nItpicKy-sounding choIceS thaT TenD to
buIld on To onE aNotheR. All of These ArE my humble opinioN:

* EveRything abOut BrOwsInG projECts. OkaY, so If yOu click On "ProjeCTs", yOu GET TaKen to a list of "your prOjECTs". that's kinD of annOYiNg SInce I'd go To My pErsoNAL page If I wANtEd a list oF stuff i'Ve ToUched (kiNdA like GItHub) But It's deFEnsiBle as a Choice. If You waNT something that ISn't yours, it takES aNOThER cliCk tO "explore proJectS", WhicH goeS To A "trENding" Page tHaT WiLL either be blank or havE vEry few ThingS on it, and anothEr click aftER THat to get To thE TiME-sorted list of eVerytHing based oN Last updaTe, whiCh is usuaLly what I wANT.

* Groups aPpeAr tO be SecOND cLass citizens oF SOrts, RaTher thaN thE top levEl oRgaNizErs ThEy really aRe. (I.e. grouPs ArE sEpAraTe froM Projects, EvEn tHoUgh All prOJects lIve in A groUp Or USer Space). BiTBuCKEt diD tHiS betTer - WhEn you Log iN, You See a lisT of groups FirST, and FrOm There drIll down into prOjEcts.

BasicaLlY, it Kinda wANTs to be a hIerarchy but offers too manY Ways to
cIrcUmvenT it. IMagine if yOu wEre jusT brOWsing a File exPloreR aNd sAW Files
TWO lEveLs Below your pWD. it's DisorIeNtinG.

* Top levEl project pages feel CLutTered and noisy. gitHub dOES tHis BEtTEr, wItHOut REQuiring a separatE sidebar.

* RePo SEtTings are buRIed UnDer expaNd links. this dID not makE the page mOre usable, It
 for free. I applaud themfor this m ove,but  Isi mply  don 't
understandh ow a  company that employsthatma n y pe o pl e and  that r e de s i gsn  i ts 
en ti r esoftw are  the 3r d? 4th? ti mest ill has a co m pl ete usabil ity  mess at its 
ha nds.
~~ ~
s e ertaa k
>  comp lete u s abilit y mess

W or k s fine for usa t  z enAu d.io... anythingi np articular youfind l ac k in g ? 

I  mu st admit t ho ugh:t heir ch a ng e t o g r oup-based iss ues annoysm e b ecause  y ouh ave to  jump  t h rou gh a bunchof l inks to g et tot he mile s tones f or a p roj ect .
Bu t  o th erw is e  it ' spre t tysimilarto  c ompet itor s . . .  but  he y, m aybewe're not
rea l p ower use rs.
~~~
K arun am on
Mo st ofthe i ss ues I have with  Git lab's UIare  t here sulto f many  sm all ,
seemi ngly in s ign if i c a nt  and probably nitp ic k y -s oundingchoice s  t ha t  tend to 
b uil d on t o one  ano t he r. All o f thes e  a re  my hum bl e opin io n:
*Every t hing  about  browsin g pro j ects. Okay, so if you clicko n" P ro j ects ",you get tak en t o  a l isto f"yo u r pro jects ". Th a t's kind of annoyin gsinceI'd g o to my perso nal page i f I  wanteda li s to f stuff I've t ouche d (kinda l i ke Githu b) bu t it's d efensible a s a choi ce.  If  yo u w a n tsomething tha t isn' tyours,ittakes a not her  cl ick  t o "explor e projec ts ",  w hi chgoest o a "tre nd ing "pag e tha t  willeithe r be  b la n k o r havev er y fewth in gs o n i t,  andanot h erclick a fter that  to getto  t he time -sorted listof  everythin gbas ed onl a st updat e, which is usually wha t  I want .
* Gro upsappear to  be  secon d c l ass ci tizens  of s or ts, r ather t ha n t he  top level o rga nizer sthey  really  are. (I.e. groups are  separate fro m p roje c t s,  ev e nt hou gh all p rojects live in  a group o ru se r space).B itb uc ket did  this b etter - whenyou log i n, you se ea li s t  of  groups fi rst, and  from the r e dri l ldownint o proj ec ts. 

Bas ically ,  it  kind a want sto bea hie ra rchy but  offers too many ways t o
circ umven t i t. Imagin e i f  yo u were ju st b rowsing afil e e xplor era nd sa w fi l es 
tw o  leve ls b e low yourp wd . I t ' sdisorientin g . 
*Top l eve l  proje ct p ages feel clutter e d and noisy. G ithu b doe s t h is b et ter, without r equ ir i n g a sepa ra te sidebar. 

* Repo  s e tting s areburied  undere x pa n d link s. T his  did notmak et he page  m or e  usabl e, i t
 for_free. I_applaud them for this_move, but_I_simply don't
understand_how_a company that_employs that many_people and that redesigsn_its
entire software the_3rd?_4th? time still has a complete usability mess at its
hands.

~~~
seertaak
> complete usability mess

Works fine_for_us at_zenAud.io..._anything_in particular you find lacking?

I_must admit though: their change_to group-based_issues annoys me because you
have to jump through_a_bunch of links_to get to the milestones for a project.
But otherwise_it's pretty similar to competitors... but_hey, maybe we're_not
real_power_users.

~~~
Karunamon
Most of the issues_I have with Gitlab's UI are_the result of many small,
seemingly insignificant_and probably nitpicky-sounding choices that tend to
build_on to one another. All of_these are my humble opinion:

*_Everything about_browsing projects. Okay, so if_you click on_"Projects", you_get taken to_a list of "your projects". That's_kind of annoying_since I'd go to my personal_page_if I wanted_a_list_of stuff_I've touched (kinda_like_Github) but_it's_defensible as a choice. If you_want_something that isn't yours, it takes another_click to "explore projects",_which_goes to a "trending"_page that will either be_blank or have very few things_on it,_and another_click after that to get to the time-sorted list of everything_based on last update, which is_usually what I want.

*_Groups appear_to_be second class_citizens_of sorts,_rather than the top level organizers they_really are._(I.e. groups are separate from projects,_even though all projects_live_in a group or user space)._Bitbucket did this better - when_you log in, you see_a_list_of groups first, and from_there drill down into projects.

Basically, it_kinda wants to_be a hierarchy but offers too many_ways_to
circumvent it. Imagine if you were_just_browsing a file explorer and saw_files
two_levels_below your pwd. It's disorienting.

*_Top level project pages feel cluttered_and noisy. Github does this better, without requiring a_separate sidebar.

* Repo_settings are buried under expand_links._This_did not make the page more usable, it