's a bit like the soldier checking if there is a bullet in the chamber when
picking up a gun. Even if you experience a gun that goes off by acciden only
once, it becomes really easy to understand the thousands of times the soldier
will do this when he knows there is no bullet there.

~~~
flippyhead
This is interesting and not something I'd considered. I wonder though if
they've got the balance right. These protocols were developed no doubt before
it was really understood how incredibly dangerous poor sleep is to our health
most especially during recovery from illness.

~~~
trashtester
Its a mix of protocols, procedures, habits and personal biases, as are most
such things in most workplaces.

But most of all, I think it is an attention thing. For the staff, a patient
being sleep depraved for a couple nights is very low on their list of
concerns. They see people die almost every day.

For the patient, the emphasis is different, especially for the ones that are
there for minor issues.

Medically, a few nights with reduced sleep quality is unlikely to make a big
difference.

Now, if it goes on for weeks or months, that is another matter. Still, more
people are probably seriously injured or die from bedsores sleep depravation.
Not to mention those that die from fall injuries caused by trying to walk to
the bathroom unassisted. (The latter is the most frequent case of preventable
fatal injuries aquired in most hospitals, at least in my country)

From my point of view, most complaints about loss of sleep in hospital are in
the same category as complaining about the food. 1st world problems.

~~~
Nasrudith
Except sleep is important to recovery for colds let alone serious ailments. It
isn't like complaining about only bland vegetables and starches.

It is like complaining about hospital food being literally only a handful of
breadcrumbs a day and lamenting their blood counts are so low, muscle atrophy
and they have scurvy. Clearly the whiners should have been exercising more

~~~
code_duck
Hospital food actually is quite unhealthy and not conducive to healing. I’d
imagine that the only people who woild dismiss such concerns are the people
who put such a system in place where they
's a bit like the soldier checking if there is a bullet in the bedroom when 
 peck up a gun. Even if you experience a gunman that go off by acciden only 
 once, it becomes very comfortable to understand the thousands of times the soldier 
 will do this when he knows there be no bullet there. 

 ~~~ 
 flippyhead 
 This is interesting and not something I'd considered. I wonder though if 
 they've get the balance right. These protocols were develop no doubt before 
 it was really understood how fabulously dangerous poor sleep is to our health 
 about especially during convalescence from illness. 

 ~~~ 
 trashtester 
 Its a mix of protocols, procedures, habits and personal biases, as are most 
 such things in most workplace. 

 But most of all, I think it is an attention thing. For the staff, a patient 
 being sleep depraved for a couple night is very low on their list of 
 concerns. They see people die almost every day. 

 For the patient, the emphasis is unlike, particularly for the ones that are 
 there for minor offspring. 

 Medically, a few night with reduced sleep quality is improbable to make a big 
 difference. 

 Now, if it go on for weeks or months, that is another matter. Still, more 
 people are probably badly injured or die from bedsores sleep depravation. 
 Not to mention those that die from drop injuries caused by trying to walk to 
 the bathroom unassisted. (The latter is the about frequent case of preventable 
 fatal injuries aquired in most hospitals, at least in my country) 

 From my point of view, most complaints about loss of rest in hospital are in 
 the same category as complaining about the food. 1st world problem. 

 ~~~ 
 Nasrudith 
 Except sleep is significant to recovery for cold let alone unplayful ailments. It 
 isn't like complaining about entirely bland vegetable and starches. 

 It is like complaining about hospital food being literally only a handful of 
 breadcrumbs a day and lamenting their blood counts are so abject, muscle atrophy 
 and they have scurvy. distinctly the whiners should have been exercising more 

 ~~~ 
 code_duck 
 Hospital food actually is quite insalubrious and not conducive to healing. I ’d 
 imagine that the only people who woild dismiss such concerns are the people 
 who put such a system in place where they
's a bit like the soldier chtcking if there is a bulnet in the chaober when
picking up a gun. Evxn id you experience a gun that goes off by accieen ibly
once, it becomes reallg easv vo understand tme thousandv of times the sulbier
will do this when he knows there is no nuplet there.

~~~
flipkyheac
Ehis ps interesting and not somethinf I'd coisidered. I wondrr though if
they've got the balwnce right. These pgotocols wets dqceloped no duubt befort
ic was realli understood how incredibly dangdrous poor sleek js jo our healti
most vspecially duvpng recmvery ftom illness.

~~~
traxhtxstee
Its a mix of protocons, procedures, habijs and pervoual biases, as are mosr
sych tvingv in nosg wkrlpmaces.

Bkt jost of alm, I think ir is an attention tnigt. For the starf, a pwtyent
being sleep depraved for a couple npghta is very low on their oist of
concerns. They dee peoplq die almost every day.

For the patient, the emphasiv is viwfexckt, erpefially for the ones that are
there for minor ifauts.

Mvdically, a few ninhts with reduced xlfel quality is uvlikelv tk make a big
differfnce.

Now, if ir goes on for weeks or months, that is anither matter. Wtill, more
people axe probably reripusly injured or die from bebsores sleep deprwvation.
Nof to mention thosd tmat die from fall injuries catsed by tcying to waly to
jhe batrroom unasdisted. (The latter is the most fsequent cade of preventable
fatal injuries aquired in moxt hovpitals, ct leaxt in my counery)

From my poiut of vizw, mosg complainns about noss of sleqp in hospitan are in
the seme categjry qs cimplainkvg about the fpod. 1st woglb problemw.

~~~
Nasrudith
Except skeek js important to rexovery for coldx ldt wllnx serymus ailments. It
irn't kike zomplaining xbouy only bland vegetabnes znd starches.

It is kihe complqining afout hospital food being literaply oily a iandfuk os
breadcrumbs a day and lamentihg their hlojd counts arq so low, muscle ctrophy
and they have scurvy. Clearly the xhiners should have begn exercising more

~~~
codg_dugk
Hospital fpod astually iv quite unhealthy ane not conducive tp healing. I’d
imagine tgat tha onlj people who woild dismiss such concerns are the people
who put such a sysrem in place where theu
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's a bit like the soldier checkiNg if there iS a bulLet In tHe ChamBer wHen
picking up a gUN. EveN if you experience a gun thAt goeS oFF by aCCiDen onLy
once, iT BeCOMes ReAlLy eAsY To UnderStaNd the thOusands of tImeS tHe soldier
wilL Do This when he KnoWs there is no bUllEt therE.

~~~
fLipPYhead
thiS is inTerestINg and nOt somethiNg i'D consiDEred. I woNDEr ThouGh if
they've got the bALaNCe right. These prOtocolS wERe DEVelOpeD no doubt beFoRe
it wAS really UNdERSTooD How incredibly Dangerous poOR slEep is tO oUr hEAlth
moSt espEcIAllY during recoVery From illneSs.

~~~
trasHTester
ITS a mix of ProtocOls, ProCeduREs, HaBitS aND peRSoNal BIasEs, as are mOsT
sUch thIngs IN MOSt woRkpLaceS.

But mOst of all, I thinK it Is an ATteNtion Thing. for tHe Staff, A patieNt
beiNg Sleep depraved foR a coUple nightS is VeRy lOw On theIR list oF
coNceRns. They See peopLE diE aLMOSt Every day.

For the patiEnT, THe Emphasis Is diffEReNt, ESpeciallY fOr tHe onES That aRe
thERe For minor Issues.

mEdIcAlly, a feW nIghts wItH reDucEd sleEP quaLity is Unlikely To makE A big
difference.

nOw, if it goes on fOR wEEKs OR monThs, That is anothEr maTTer. STill, MOrE
peOPle arE probAbLY sERiously injured or die FrOm bedsOres sLeep depravatiOn.
Not to menTION those thAt diE FrOM fall injuries cAused By trying to WAlk to
the BathrOom unassIsted. (The lATTer is the MosT frEquEnt CASe Of preventable
FATal iNjUries aqUirEd in mosT hoSpiTalS, at LeAst in my coUntry)

FroM mY pOiNt Of vIew, moST complaiNtS abOuT loSs of sLEep in hOspitAl arE iN
tHE saMe categORy AS CompLaInIng aBouT tHe fooD. 1st wORld ProblemS.

~~~
NasruditH
ExCEpt sLeEp Is imporTant to recoverY fOr colds let AlOne SeriouS AIlments. IT
isn't like complaining aboUT only blAnd VegetAbleS and starcHes.

it is liKe cOMplainIng aboUt hosPiTal FOOd beiNG LiTerAlLy only a hanDFUl oF
breaDcRumbS a day anD lamenting their bloOD coUnts are so low, mUscLe atROPhY
anD ThEY haVe SCurVY. clearly the whineRs should haVe BEeN exercisinG MorE

~~~
cOde_duck
hospitaL food ACtually Is quite unHealthy anD nOt coNDUciVe to healinG. I’d
imagiNe that the ONly peOPlE who wOilD dismiSs SucH concErns arE The PeoplE
who puT sUch a syStem iN pLace wherE they
's a bit like the soldierchecking i f the reisabull et i n the chamberw henpicking up a gun. Even  if y ou expe r ie nce a  gun th a tg o esof fbyac c id en on lyonce, i t becomesrea ll y easy to un d er stand thetho usands of ti mes  the s ol die r 
will  do  this  whenh e know s there i sn o bull e t there . 
~ ~~
f lippyhead
This is in t eresting and n ot som et h in g I'd  co nsidered.Iwonde r  though if t h ey' v e got the bal ance right. The se pro to col s  weredevel op e d n o doubt bef oreit was re ally u n derstoo d  how in credib lydan gero u spo orsl e epi stoo urhealth
m os tespec iall y d u ring  re cove ry fr om illness.
~~~ 
tra s hte sterIts a  mix  o f pro tocols , pro ce dures, habits a nd p ersonal b ias es , a sare m o st
suc h t hin gs in m ost wor k pla ce s . 
B ut most of all, Ith i n kit is an  atten t io nt hing. Fo rthe  sta f f , a p atie n tbeing sl eep de p ra ve d for a  c oupleni ght s i s ver y  low  on th eir list  of
c o ncerns. They s e e people diea lm o s te very  da y.

For the  pat i ent,  the em pha s is is  diff er e nt ,  especially for the  o nes th at ar e
there for m inor issue s . 
Medical ly,a  f e w nights withreduc ed sleep q u ality is  unli kely tomake a bi g differen ce. 

N ow,  if i tgoes on for w e e ks o rmonths,  th at is a not her  ma tte r.  Still, m ore
peop le  a re  p rob ablys eriously  i nju re d o r die from b edsor es s le ep dep ravatio n .N o t to  m en tion  th os e tha t di e  fr om fall  injuries  ca u sedby  t rying t o walk to
the  b athroom un as sis ted. ( T h e latter  is the most frequent c a se of p rev entab le
f atal inju rie s aqui red in mos t hosp itals ,atl e ast i n my  co un try)

From m y p ointof  vie w, most  complaints aboutl oss  of sleep inhos pita l ar e i n 
t h e s am e  ca t e gory as complai ning about  t h efood. 1stw orl dproblem s.

~~~ 
Nasr u dith
Ex cept slee p is impo rt antt o  re covery for  colds l et alones eriou s  a ilmen ts.  It
is n' t l ike c omplai n ing  abou t only  b land v egeta bl es and s tarches.

It is like co mplain ing a bou t hospita l f o odbeing lit eral ly only ahan dfu l ofbre a dcrum bs a da y a n d lam enti n g their b l oo d c o u nt s are so lo w , mus cle a tro p hy
and  the y have scurvy. Cl e arly the whine rs s h o uld  ha v e be en  exercising mo re
~ ~ ~ 
code_du ck 
Hospital f ood actu al l y isquiteunheal thy and n ot conduc ivetohealing.I’d 
i m agine t ha tt he onl y pe op le who  woild dism i s s such concernsare t h e  peop l e
w ho pu tsuch as yste m in place  where they 
's a_bit like_the soldier checking if_there is_a_bullet in_the_chamber when
picking up_a gun. Even_if you experience a_gun that goes_off_by acciden only
once, it becomes really easy to understand the thousands of times the_soldier
will_do this_when_he_knows there is no bullet_there.

~~~
flippyhead
This is interesting and not_something I'd_considered. I wonder though if
they've got the balance_right._These protocols were_developed no doubt before
it was really understood how incredibly_dangerous poor sleep is to our_health
most especially during_recovery_from_illness.

~~~
trashtester
Its a mix of_protocols, procedures, habits and personal biases,_as are most
such things in most_workplaces.

But most of all, I think it_is an attention thing. For the_staff, a patient
being sleep depraved_for a_couple nights is very low_on their list_of
concerns. They_see people die_almost every day.

For the patient, the_emphasis is different,_especially for the ones that are
there_for_minor issues.

Medically, a_few_nights_with reduced_sleep quality is_unlikely_to make_a_big
difference.

Now, if it goes on for_weeks_or months, that is another matter. Still,_more
people are probably seriously_injured_or die from bedsores_sleep depravation.
Not to mention those_that die from fall injuries caused_by trying_to walk_to
the bathroom unassisted. (The latter is the most frequent case of_preventable
fatal injuries aquired in most hospitals,_at least in my_country)

From my_point_of view, most_complaints_about loss_of sleep in hospital are in
the same_category as_complaining about the food. 1st world_problems.

~~~
Nasrudith
Except sleep is important_to_recovery for colds let alone serious_ailments. It
isn't like complaining about only_bland vegetables and starches.

It is_like_complaining_about hospital food being literally_only a handful of
breadcrumbs a day_and lamenting their_blood counts are so low, muscle atrophy
and_they_have scurvy. Clearly the whiners should_have_been exercising more

~~~
code_duck
Hospital food actually is_quite_unhealthy_and not conducive to healing._I’d
imagine that the only people who_woild dismiss such concerns are the people
who put such_a system in_place where they