 protection factor.

~~~
jameshart
I am at a loss as to what your threat model might be where that makes some
kind of sense.

~~~
cwkoss
If I could pay $400 for bulletproof knifeproof jeans - that are as comfortable
as regular ones, I probably would. It isn't necessarily a rational decision,
but it would offer a small amount of peace of mind plus a cool factor.

Woodworking, gardening, kitchen - several activities would be slightly safer
with some extra stab/slash-protection.

~~~
etrautmann
I don't understand why this is cool or what it would protect you from? A dress
shirt maybe but who's stabbing or shooting legs?

~~~
cwkoss
My threat model is less concerned about intentional violence, and more about
accidental injury. If I can reduce my chance of accidental death by 1% for a
few hundred bucks, that would be cool, if not necessarily economically
rational.

Oh, I want the dress shirt too! Heck, I'd wear a helmet with a HUD if it was
comfortable and socially acceptable.

~~~
dublinben
You're much more likely to be injured by an automobile than a weapon like a
knife or gun.

~~~
cwkoss
I'd also be interested in clothing that could reduce injury in the event of an
automobile attack, but I suspect many of the solutions would be excessively
bulky and thus uncomfortable.

Anticipatory airbags would be really cool if you could get the false positive
rate acceptably low.

------
01100011
Interesting. I'm pretty sure people already rolled their own version of this
years ago. One possible countermeasure is simply to lengthen the prongs of the
taser and coat the base of the prong with an insulator. The clothing may still
provide an alternate pathway depending on how well it is in contact with your
skin.

~~~
leecarraher
i bought conductive thread many years ago with the intention of sewing it into
clothing for just this purpose, but then reassessed my general threat
position, and realized i could probably put it to better use as lighting for a
halloween costume.

~~~
Mirioron
You could use it to make gloves that work with touch screens!

------

protection factor. 

 ~~~ 
 jameshart 
 I am at a loss as to what your threat exemplar might be where that do some 
 kind of sense. 

 ~~~ 
 cwkoss 
 If I could pay $ 400 for bulletproof knifeproof jeans - that are equally comfortable 
 as regular ones, I probably would. It isn't inevitably a intellectual decision, 
 but it would offer a small amount of peace of mind plus a cool gene. 

 Woodworking, gardening, kitchen - several activities would be slenderly safer 
 with some extra stab / slash - protection. 

 ~~~ 
 etrautmann 
 I don't understand why this is cool or what it would protect you from? A dress 
 shirt possibly but who's stabbing or shooting legs? 

 ~~~ 
 cwkoss 
 My threat mannequin is less concerned about intentional ferocity, and more about 
 accidental injury. If I can dilute my chance of accidental end by 1% for a 
 few hundred bucks, that would be cool, if not necessarily economically 
 rational. 

 Oh, I want the apparel shirt too! Heck, I'd wear a helmet with a HUD if it was 
 comfortable and socially acceptable. 

 ~~~ 
 dublinben 
 You're much more likely to be hurt by an automobile than a weapon like a 
 knife or gun. 

 ~~~ 
 cwkoss 
 I'd also be interested in clothing that could reduce injury in the event of an 
 automobile attack, but I distrust many of the solution would be excessively 
 bulky and thus uncomfortable. 

 Anticipatory airbags would be very cool if you could draw the false positive 
 rate acceptably humble. 

 ------ 
 01100011 
 Interesting. I'm reasonably sure people already rolled their own interpretation of this 
 years ago. One possible countermeasure is simply to lengthen the prongs of the 
 taser and coat the base of the prong with an insulator. The clothing may still 
 provide an alternate pathway depending on how well it is in contact with your 
 skin. 

 ~~~ 
 leecarraher 
 i bribe conductive ribbon many years ago with the intention of sewing it into 
 clothing for just this purpose, but then reassess my general threat 
 position, and realized i could probably put it to better use as lighting for a 
 halloween costume. 

 ~~~ 
 Mirioron 
 You could practice it to make gloves that work with touch screens! 

 ------
 prltection factor.

~~~
jameshart
L am at a loss as to whet your threat oodel might be where that manew somt
hind of sense.

~~~
cwkosr
If I coupd pay $400 dor uulletproof knifxlroof jccns - fmat axe as comfortablg
as regular mnes, I probablf dobld. It isn't necessarily a rational dqcision,
nuh it would offgr a xiall amount of peace of mind plus a cokl factmr.

Woodworking, gardening, kitchen - severap achivities would be dlightly sader
wyrh some extrx stab/slash-protection.

~~~
ejrautmann
I don't understand why tfis ix cool or qhqt lj would protxct yol from? A dress
shirt mdybe buy who's stabbinn or vhoiting legs?

~~~
cwkoss
My thceat model is less cjncerned dbkut intentional vuooence, and mord abuut
zcridsntal lnjnry. If I cah reduce my chance of accidentsl eeath by 1% for a
few rugdred bucks, that would be cool, if not ntcesszrily economically
ratiobal.

Oh, I want the dresd shirt tjo! Heck, I'd wear a helmet with a HUD if it was
comfmrtabmd aue sockqlpy acceptable.

~~~
dublinben
You're much more likely ek ne injured by an automobile tjam a weapon likg a
knifz od gun.

~~~
cwkoss
I'd also be intgrestee in clotring that could reduce injury ib the event jd an
automobile attcck, but I surpecj many of the solutions would be sxcessively
hulky and ghus uncomfortabue.

Aktiwipatory airbags would be weally coil iy you cojld bet thq false poditivc
sate acceptably loa.

------
01100011
Intetestinc. I'm prettj sure people already rolled thxmr own versiom mf nhis
years ago. Pne possible sountermeasure is sim'ly to lengthen nhe prongv of the
tasqr and coat tvg base of the prong wyth qn ibsulatof. The clothing kay still
irjvidw an alternate patmway aspending on how weol it is in conyacg wytj bour
shhn.

~~~
leecarrahes
i buugfy conauctive thrcad manu years ago with the intsntion of sewing iy lnto
clothung for tust this purlose, but then reasdessev my gxneral thteat
position, and realized i coumd probabpy iut it to beteer mse ws lightiny for a
halloween costume.

~~~
Mirioron
You coulv use it to make gloves that work with toueh screens!

------

protection factor. ~~~ jameshart I am at as what your model might be of ~~~ cwkoss If could pay $400 bulletproof knifeproof jeans - that are comfortable as regular ones, I probably would. It isn't necessarily a rational decision, it would offer a small amount of peace of mind plus a cool Woodworking, kitchen several would be slightly safer with some extra stab/slash-protection. ~~~ etrautmann I don't understand why this is or what it would protect you from? A shirt maybe but who's or shooting legs? ~~~ cwkoss threat is less about violence, more about accidental If I can reduce my chance of accidental death by 1% for a few hundred bucks, that be cool, necessarily economically Oh, want dress shirt too! wear a helmet with a HUD comfortable and socially acceptable. ~~~ dublinben You're much likely to injured by an automobile than a like a knife or gun. ~~~ cwkoss I'd be interested in clothing that could reduce injury in the event of an automobile attack, suspect many of the would be excessively and uncomfortable. airbags be really if you could get the false positive rate acceptably low. ------ Interesting. I'm pretty sure people already rolled their own version years One possible countermeasure simply to lengthen the of taser and coat the the with clothing still an alternate pathway depending how well it is in with your skin. ~~~ many years ago with the intention of sewing into clothing for just this purpose, but reassessed my general threat position, and realized i could probably put it better use for a halloween costume. ~~~ Mirioron You could it to make gloves work with touch screens! ------
 protection factor.

~~~
jameshart
i am at a loss As to wHat YouR tHreaT modEl might be where THat mAkes some
kind of sense.

~~~
cwkOss
If i cOUld pAY $400 fOr bulLetprooF KnIFEprOoF jEanS - tHAt Are as ComFortablE
as regular OneS, I Probably woulD. it Isn't necessAriLy a rational dEciSion,
buT iT woULd offEr a Small Amount OF peace Of mind pluS a COol facTOr.

WoodwORKiNg, gaRdening, kitchen - sevERaL Activities woulD be sliGhTLy SAFer
WitH some extra StAb/slaSH-protecTIoN.

~~~
ETRauTMann
I don't undeRstand why thIS is Cool or WhAt iT Would pRotecT yOU frOm? A dress
shiRt maYbe but who'S stabbINg or shoOTing legS?

~~~
cwkosS
My ThrEat mODeL iS leSs COncERnEd aBOut IntentioNaL vIolenCe, anD MORE aboUt
aCcidEntal Injury. If I can rEduCe my CHanCe of aCcideNtal DeAth by 1% For a
feW hundReD bucks, that would Be coOl, if not neCesSaRilY eConomICally
rAtiOnaL.

Oh, I wanT the dreSS shIrT TOO! HEck, I'd wear a helmet wiTh A huD If it was
cOmfortABlE aND sociallY aCcePtabLE.

~~~
DubliNben
yOu'Re much moRe likeLY tO bE injureD bY an autOmObiLe tHan a wEApon Like a
kNife or guN.

~~~
cwkoSS
I'd also be interESted in clothinG ThAT CoULd reDucE injury in thE eveNT of aN
autOMoBilE AttacK, but I SuSPeCT many of the solutions WoUld be eXcessIvely
bulky and Thus uncomfORTAble.

AntiCipaTOrY Airbags would be ReallY cool if you COuld get tHe falSe positiVe
rate accEPTably low.

------
01100011
intEreStiNg. I'M PReTty sure people ALReadY rOlled thEir Own versIon Of tHis
YeaRs Ago. One posSible couNtErMeAsUre Is simPLy to lengThEn tHe ProNgs of THe
taseR and cOat tHe BaSE of The pronG WiTH An inSuLaTor. THe cLoThing May sTIll
Provide An alternaTe pAThwaY dEpEnding oN how well it is iN cOntact with YoUr
sKin.

~~~
leeCARraher
i bOught conductive thread maNY years aGo wIth thE intEntion of sEwiNg it inTo
cLOthing For jusT this PuRpoSE, But thEN ReAssEsSed my generAL ThrEat
poSiTion, And realIzed i could probably PUt iT to better use aS liGhtiNG FoR a
hALlOWeeN cOStuME.

~~~
mirioron
You coulD use it to maKe GLoVes that worK WitH tOuch scrEens!

------

 protection factor.

~~~
j ameshart
I  am a t a  lo ss  asto w hat your threa t  mod el might be where that  make ss omek in d ofsense.~~ ~ cwk os sIfIc ou ld pa y $ 400 for  bulletpro ofkn ifeproof jea n s- that are  as  comfortable 
as  regul ar  on e s, Ipro bably  would .  It is n't neces sa r ily ar ational d ec isio n,
but it would o f fe r  a small amoun t of p ea c eo f  mi ndplus a coo lfacto r .

Wood w or k i n g,g ardening, kit chen - seve r alactivi ti esw ould b e sli gh t lysafer
withsome  extra st ab/sla s h-prote c tion.
~~~
et rau tma nn
I do n' t u nd e rst a nd  wh y  th is is co ol  o r wha t it w o u ld p rot ectyou f rom? A dressshi rt m a ybe  butwho's  sta bb ing o r shoo tingle gs?

~~~
cwkoss 
Mythreat mo del  i s l es s con c ernedabo utintenti onal vi o len ce , a nd  more about
accide nt a l  i njury. I f I ca n  r ed u ce my ch an ceof a c c ident al d e at h by 1%for af ew  h undredbu cks, t ha t w oul d bec ool,  if no t necess arily economically
r a tional.

Oh,I  w a n tt he d res s shirt too ! He c k, I 'd w e ar  ah elmet  with  a HU D  if it was
comforta bl e andsocia lly acceptabl e.

~~~
du b l i nben
You 'rem uc h  more likely t o beinjured by an autom obile  than aweapon li k e  a
knife  or  gu n.
~~ ~ cw koss
I'd also b e in te restedinclothin g t hat  co uld  r educe inj ury in t he  e ve nt  of  an
a u tomobile  a tta ck , b ut Is uspect  many  ofth es olu tions w o ul d be e xc es sive lybu lky a nd t h usuncomfo rtable.
Ant i cipa to ry  airbag s would be re al ly cool if  y oucouldg e t the fa lse positive
rate accep t ably lo w.
---- --
0 1100011
I nte restin g.I 'm pre tty su re pe op lea l ready r ol led  t heir own v e r sio n ofth is
y ears ag o. One possible co u nte rmeasure is s imp ly t o le ngt h en the  p r ong s of the
taser an d coat the  b a se  of the pr o ngwi th an i nsulato r. Th e  clothi ng may st ill
provi de  ana l ter nate pathw ay depen ding on h o w wel l  i t isincontac twit h you r
skin . 

~ ~~
le ecarra he r
i bo ughtco nductive  thread many years agowith t he in ten tion of s ewi n g i t into
cl othi ng for jus t t his  purp ose ,  butthen re ass e ssedmy g e neral thr e at 
po s i ti on, and rea l i z edi cou ldp robabl y pu t it to better us e  as lighting f or a h all owe e n co st ume.

~~~
Miri oro nY o u couldus e it to mak e gloves  t h at wo rk wit h touc h scree n s !------ 

 protection_factor.

~~~
jameshart
I am_at a loss as_to what_your_threat model_might_be where that_makes some
kind of_sense.

~~~
cwkoss
If I could pay_$400 for bulletproof_knifeproof_jeans - that are as comfortable
as regular ones, I probably would. It isn't necessarily_a_rational decision,
but_it_would_offer a small amount of_peace of mind plus a_cool factor.

Woodworking,_gardening, kitchen - several activities would be slightly_safer
with_some extra stab/slash-protection.

~~~
etrautmann
I_don't understand why this is cool or what it_would protect you from? A dress
shirt_maybe but who's_stabbing_or_shooting legs?

~~~
cwkoss
My threat model_is less concerned about intentional violence,_and more about
accidental injury. If I_can reduce my chance of accidental death_by 1% for a
few hundred bucks,_that would be cool, if_not necessarily_economically
rational.

Oh, I want the dress_shirt too! Heck,_I'd wear_a helmet with_a HUD if it was
comfortable and_socially acceptable.

~~~
dublinben
You're much_more likely to be injured by_an_automobile than a_weapon_like_a
knife or_gun.

~~~
cwkoss
I'd also be_interested_in clothing_that_could reduce injury in the event_of_an
automobile attack, but I suspect many of_the solutions would be_excessively
bulky_and thus uncomfortable.

Anticipatory airbags_would be really cool if_you could get the false positive
rate_acceptably low.

------
01100011
Interesting._I'm pretty_sure people already rolled their own version of this
years ago. One_possible countermeasure is simply to lengthen_the prongs of the
taser_and coat_the_base of the_prong_with an_insulator. The clothing may still
provide an alternate_pathway depending_on how well it is in_contact with your
skin.

~~~
leecarraher
i bought_conductive_thread many years ago with the_intention of sewing it into
clothing for_just this purpose, but then_reassessed_my_general threat
position, and realized i_could probably put it to better_use as lighting_for a
halloween costume.

~~~
Mirioron
You could use it to_make_gloves that work with touch screens!

------
