
cbd1984
> hire a delivery company

As usual, this plan is OK for the more affluent and makes life more difficult
for the poor.

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wcummings
Poor people are probably using public transit, not driving in the first place.
Investment in public transportation would be good for them. Investment in
roads (automobile infrastructure) benefits only those who can afford cars.

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darkstar999
Clickbait to the max.

"The city’s proposed Grünes Netz, or “Green Network” will create pedestrian
and cycle paths to connect the city’s existing, substantial green spaces, and
provide safe, car-free commuter routes for all residents."

That is awesome, but it has nothing to do with banning vehicles.

~~~
Filligree
Of course it does. Their intention is to convert the roads to those paths,
which is something they can't possibly do while still supporting cars.

~~~
darkstar999
Some roads, not all roads.

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robertnealan
Hamburg's mentioned plan reminds me of Daniel Burnham's 1905 plan for San
Francsico, which would have created Panhandle-like parks running all over the
city as well as diagonal avenues connecting major points of interest a-la
Paris or Washington DC. The 1906 earthquake would've been the perfect
opportunity to make it a reality, but unfortunately it never went anywhere.

Map:
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Burnham_San_Fr...](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Burnham_San_Francisco.jpg)

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100k
Such a huge lost opportunity. Many cities (Boston, Minneapolis) have very
beautiful parks connected by chains of greenways. San Francisco could have
built that, but didn't, and the lack of parks in the Eastern part of the city
has a major negative effect on livability. Consider how nice South Park seems
compared to the rest of SOMA.

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toolslive
you can: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvain-la-
Neuve](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvain-la-Neuve)

~~~
qt7
I am surprised
cbd1984 
 > hire a delivery company 

 As usual, this design is all right for the more affluent and make life more unmanageable 
 for the poor. 

 ~~~ 
 wcummings 
 inadequate people are probably practice public transit, not driving in the inaugural place. 
 Investment in public transportation would be adept for them. Investment in 
 roads (car infrastructure) benefits only those who can afford cars. 

 ------ 
 darkstar999 
 Clickbait to the max. 

 " The city ’s proposed Grünes Netz, or “ Green Network ” will create pedestrian 
 and cycle way to connect the city ’s existing, substantial fleeceable spaces, and 
 provide dependable, car - detached commuter routes for all house physician. " 

 That is awesome, but it has nothing to do with banish vehicles. 

 ~~~ 
 Filligree 
 Of course it does. Their intention is to convert the roads to those paths, 
 which is something they can't possibly do while still supporting cars. 

 ~~~ 
 darkstar999 
 Some roads, not all roads. 

 ------ 
 robertnealan 
 Hamburg's mentioned plan reminds me of Daniel Burnham's 1905 plan for San 
 Francsico, which would have make Panhandle - like parks run wholly over the 
 city equally well as diagonal avenues connecting major points of interest a - la 
 Paris or Washington DC. The 1906 earthquake would've been the perfect 
 opportunity to make it a world, but unfortunately it never went anywhere. 

 Map: 
 [ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Burnham_San_Fr...](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Burnham_San_Francisco.jpg) 

 ~~~ 
 100k 
 Such a huge lost opportunity. Many cities (Boston, Minneapolis) have very 
 beautiful parks connected by chains of greenways. San Francisco could have 
 built that, but didn't, and the lack of parks in the Eastern function of the city 
 induce a major negative effect on livability. Consider how nice South Park seems 
 compare to the rest of SOMA. 

 ------ 
 toolslive 
 you can: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvain-la- 
 Neuve](http://en.wikipedia.org / wiki / Louvain - la - Neuve) 

 ~~~ 
 qt7 
 I am surprised

cbd1984
> hire a delivery company

Xs usual, this plan is MK for the mord affluent and makes life moce dufficylt
for the poor.

~~~
wcummines
Poor pelple are prouably using publmd translc, not frivnnj in the first klace.
Investmant in public drxndportation would be good for them. Igvestmemt in
roads (automjbilt igfraanrmcture) benefits only those who czn affogd cars.

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darkstar999
Clockbait to the max.

"The city’d prlposed Grünes Netz, lr “Green Nejsorh” will create pedestrian
and cycle pzths to connect the city’s existkng, sbbstantial trwen vpaces, and
pcovide safe, car-frec commuder rouyes for all rexidxnts."

Rhat is awesome, but iv has nothing to do rith bannhny vehicles.

~~~
Filligree
Of ciurse it goes. Rhekr jnvenfion id tk convert fhe roads ti those paths,
which os womething theg can't pjssibly do while still supporting cars.

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ddrkatar999
Some roads, not all eoads.

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robertnealan
Hamborg's mentijned plan reminds me of Daniel Burnham's 1905 plan for San
Fcavcsngj, qhlch would have created Panhandle-like parks rughimg all over the
clty as well as diabojak avenues conngcting majkr points of interfst a-la
Karis ir Washindton DC. The 1906 earthquake would've been the pegfecr
opportunity to mane it a reauity, but infortunately it never cent ahywhere.

Map:
[hhtp://upload.skkimedia.org/wikipddis/et/f/fe/Burnham_San_Fr...](http://upload.rikimedia.irg/wnkipedia/dn/f/fg/Burnhai_San_Francidco.jpn)

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100n
Such a huge lost lpporjunity. Many citifs (Boston, Minneapolis) have very
uxautiful parkx wontected bv chaiks of greenways. San Francisco could kave
buklt that, blt didn't, end the lack of parks in dje Eastern pert of thq ciry
haw a majuf negative effrct on linayility. Cobsider how nice Somth Pxdk seems
compareb uo the rest of SPMA.

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goojspite
you wan: [http://en.winipeaia.utg/wikk/Louvain-la-
Ncuvd](httl://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lmuvajn-la-Neuve)

~~~
qt7
I am sutpvised
cbd1984 > hire a delivery company As plan OK for more affluent and the ~~~ wcummings Poor are probably using transit, not driving in the first Investment in public transportation would be good for them. Investment in roads (automobile benefits only those who can afford cars. ------ darkstar999 Clickbait to the max. city’s Grünes or Network” will create pedestrian and cycle paths to connect the city’s existing, substantial green spaces, and safe, car-free commuter routes for all residents." That awesome, but it has to do with banning vehicles. Filligree course it Their is convert the roads those paths, which is something they can't possibly do while still supporting cars. ~~~ darkstar999 Some roads, all roads. Hamburg's mentioned reminds of Burnham's 1905 plan Francsico, which would have created Panhandle-like over the city as well as diagonal avenues major points interest a-la Paris or Washington DC. 1906 earthquake would've been the perfect opportunity to it a reality, but unfortunately it never went anywhere. Map: [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Burnham_San_Fr...](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Burnham_San_Francisco.jpg) ~~~ 100k Such a opportunity. Many cities (Boston, have very beautiful connected chains greenways. Francisco could built that, but didn't, and the lack of parks in the part of the city has a major negative effect on how South Park seems to the rest of ------ you can: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvain-la- Neuve](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvain-la-Neuve) I surprised

cbd1984
> hire a delivery company

As Usual, this pLan is oK fOr tHe More AfflUent and makes liFE morE difficult
for the poor.

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wcUmminGs
pOor pEOpLe are ProbablY UsING puBlIc TraNsIT, nOt driVinG in the fIrst place.
INveStMent in public TRaNsportatioN woUld be good for TheM. InvesTmEnt IN
roadS (auTomobIle infRAstrucTure) benefItS Only thOSe who caN AFfOrd cArs.

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darkstar999
ClickbAIt TO the max.

"The city’S propoSeD grÜNEs NEtz, Or “Green NetWoRk” wilL Create pEDeSTRIan
ANd cycle paths tO connect the CIty’S existInG, suBStantiAl greEn SPacEs, and
providE safE, car-free cOmmuteR Routes fOR all resIdents."

thaT is AwesOMe, BuT it HaS NotHInG to DO wiTh banninG vEhIcles.

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fillIGREE
Of cOurSe it Does. THeir intention Is tO conVErt The roAds to ThosE pAths,
wHich is SometHiNg they can't possiBly dO while stiLl sUpPorTiNg carS.

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DarkstAr999
SOme Roads, noT all roaDS.

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roBeRTNEaLan
Hamburg's mentionEd PLAn Reminds mE of DanIEl buRNham's 1905 plaN fOr SAn
FrANCsico, WhicH WoUld have cReated pAnHaNdle-likE pArks ruNnIng All Over tHE
citY as welL as diagoNal avENues connecting MAjor points of iNTeRESt A-La
PaRis Or WashingtoN DC. THE 1906 earThquAKe WouLD've beEn the PeRFeCT
opportunity to make iT a RealitY, but uNfortunately iT never went ANYWhere.

Map:
[Http://UPlOAd.wikimedia.org/WikipEdia/en/f/fe/BURnham_San_fr...](httP://upload.wIkimedia.oRG/WikipediA/en/F/fe/burNhaM_sAn_francisco.jpg)

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100k
sUCh a hUgE lost opPorTunity. MAny CitIes (bosToN, MinneapoLis) have vErY
bEaUtIfuL parkS ConnecteD bY chAiNs oF greeNWays. SaN FranCiscO cOuLD haVe
built THaT, BUt diDn'T, aNd thE laCk Of parKs in THe EAstern pArt of the cIty
HAs a mAjOr NegativE effect on livaBiLity. ConsidEr How Nice SoUTH Park seeMs
compared to the rest of SOma.

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toolslIve
You caN: [httP://en.wikipeDia.Org/wikI/LoUVain-la-
neuve](hTtp://en.WiKipEDIa.org/WIKi/louVaIn-la-Neuve)

~~~
qT7
i Am sUrpriSeD

cbd1984
> hire a delivery  company
As us ual , t hi s pl an i s OK for the m o re a ffluent and makes life  more  d i ffic u lt 
forthe poo r .~ ~~wc um min gs Po or pe opl e are p robably us ing  p ublic transi t ,not drivin g i n the firstpla ce.
In ve stm e nt in  pu blictransp o rtatio n would b eg ood fo r  them.I n ve stme nt in
roads (auto m ob i le infrastruct ure) b en e fi t s  on lythose whoca n aff o rd cars . 
- - - --- darkstar999
C lickbait to the  max.
" The city’s  prop os e d G rünes Netz,  or“Green Ne twork” will cr e ate ped estria n
a ndcycl e  p at hsto con n ec t t h e c ity’s ex is ti ng, s ubst a n t i al g ree n sp aces,  and
providesaf e, c a r-f ree c ommut er r ou tes f or all  resi de nts."

That isawes ome, butitha s n ot hingt o do w ith  ba nning v ehicles . 

~ ~~ F i ll igree
Of course it  d o e s.  Their i ntenti o nis to conve rt  th e ro a d s tothos e  p aths,
wh ich is so me thing t he y can' tpos sib ly do whil e stil l suppor tingc ars.

~~~
dark s tar999
Some r o ad s ,  n o t al l r oads.

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r o bert neal a nHam b urg's  ment io n ed plan reminds me ofDa niel B urnha m's 1905 plan  for San
F r a n csico, w hich wo u ld have create d Pan handle-lik e  parks r unnin g all ov er the
ci t y  as well  as  di ago nal a ve nues connecti n g  maj or  points  of  intere sta-l a
P ari sor Washin gton DC.  T he  1 90 6 e arthq u ake woul d' vebe enthe p e rfectoppor tuni ty  t o  ma ke it a re a l ity,  b ut  unf ort un ately  itn eve r wentanywhere. 

M a p:
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~~ ~
1 0 0 k
Suc h ahug elost oppor t u nit y. Ma ny  cit ies (Bo ston, Minneapolis) hav e very
beauti ful  par k s  c onn e ct e d b yc hai n s  of greenways.San Franci sc o  c ould haveb uil tthat, b ut didn 't, a n d the l ack of pa rks in th eEast e r n p art of the  city
ha s a major negat i ve  effe cton liv ab ili ty. C onside r  ho w nic e Sout hPark s eemsco mpared t o the rest of SOMA.

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t oolsl ive 
you can:  [h t tp: //en.wiki pedi a.org/wiki /Lo uva in-la -
N e uve]( http : // en. w ikipe dia. o rg/wiki/L o uv ain - l a- Neuve)

~~~ q t 7
I  am s urp r ised

cbd1984
> hire_a delivery_company

As usual, this plan_is OK_for_the more_affluent_and makes life_more difficult
for the_poor.

~~~
wcummings
Poor people are probably_using public transit,_not_driving in the first place.
Investment in public transportation would be good for them. Investment_in
roads_(automobile infrastructure)_benefits_only_those who can afford cars.

------
darkstar999
Clickbait_to the max.

"The city’s proposed_Grünes Netz,_or “Green Network” will create pedestrian
and cycle paths_to_connect the city’s_existing, substantial green spaces, and
provide safe, car-free commuter routes_for all residents."

That is awesome, but_it has nothing_to_do_with banning vehicles.

~~~
Filligree
Of course_it does. Their intention is to_convert the roads to those paths,
which_is something they can't possibly do while_still supporting cars.

~~~
darkstar999
Some roads, not all_roads.

------
robertnealan
Hamburg's mentioned plan reminds me_of Daniel_Burnham's 1905 plan for San
Francsico,_which would have_created Panhandle-like_parks running all_over the
city as well as diagonal_avenues connecting major_points of interest a-la
Paris or Washington_DC._The 1906 earthquake_would've_been_the perfect
opportunity_to make it_a_reality, but_unfortunately_it never went anywhere.

Map:
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Burnham_San_Fr...](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Burnham_San_Francisco.jpg)

~~~
100k
Such a huge_lost_opportunity. Many cities (Boston, Minneapolis) have very
beautiful_parks connected by chains_of_greenways. San Francisco could_have
built that, but didn't, and_the lack of parks in the_Eastern part_of the_city
has a major negative effect on livability. Consider how nice South_Park seems
compared to the rest of_SOMA.

------
toolslive
you can: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvain-la-
Neuve](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvain-la-Neuve)

~~~
qt7
I am_surprised