 prefer them to do
it. How did you manage to convince them to modify their scheduling?

~~~
roel_v
Not OP, but the same way you get anything'management' done - get to know
people, make them like you, understand procedures and incentives of everything
and everybody involved, trust but verify, always be proactive and ahead of
everything and everybody.

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mindcrime
OMG, so glad to hear somebody else saying this. The last time I was
hospitalized, the recovery was a complete nightmare for exactly this reason.
If there wasn't somebody coming by to poke or prod me, there was somebody
coming by to do something to the other patient in the room, or if it wasn't
that, the door was open and the click-clack of heels on the tile floor kept me
awake, or there was too much light coming in from the hallway, not to mention
how uncomfortable those beds are, etc., etc. Sleep was damn near impossible.

It was so bad that the first day I came home, I went to bed, fell asleep and
had a dream that somebody came into my room and woke me up and said "I need to
draw some blood". I've never been more relieved in my life to wake up and
realize "fuck, that was just a dream".

~~~
chasd00
"If there wasn't somebody coming by to poke or prod me, there was somebody
coming by to do something to the other patient in the room, or if it wasn't
that, the door was open and the click-clack of heels on the tile floor kept me
awake, or there was too much light coming in from the hallway, not to mention
how uncomfortable those beds are, etc., etc. Sleep was damn near impossible."

surely you realize there's more to hospital than just you?

~~~
mindcrime
_surely you realize there's more to hospital than just you?_

Of course I do. What does that have to do with anything?

As the article says, there are simple changes they could make that would
maintain the same quality of care, while still allowing patients to get more
sleep. Considering how important sleep is to our health, not doing those
things is borderline malpractice, IMO.

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bjackman
I'm lucky enough never to
prefer them to do 
 it. How did you manage to convince them to change their scheduling? 

 ~~~ 
 roel_v 
 Not OP, but the like room you get anything'management' do - receive to know 
 people, induce them like you, understand procedures and incentives of everything 
 and everybody involved, trust but verify, constantly be proactive and ahead of 
 everything and everybody. 

 ------ 
 mindcrime 
 OMG, so glad to listen somebody else say this. The last time I was 
 hospitalized, the recovery was a complete nightmare for precisely this reason. 
 If there wasn't somebody coming by to thump or prod me, there was somebody 
 coming aside to do something to the early patient in the room, or if it wasn't 
 that, the door was open and the click - clack of heel on the tile floor kept me 
 awake, or there was too much light hail in from the hallway, not to mention 
 how uncomfortable those beds are, etc. , etc. Sleep was damn near impossible. 

 It was so bad that the first day I issue forth home, I went to bed, fell asleep and 
 take a dream that somebody came into my room and woke me up and say " I need to 
 draw some blood ". I've never been more relieved in my biography to wake up and 
 realize " fuck, that was just a dream ". 

 ~~~ 
 chasd00 
 " If there wasn't somebody coming by to intrude or prod me, there was somebody 
 coming by to serve something to the other affected role in the room, or if it wasn't 
 that, the doorway was clear and the click - clack of heels on the tile floor kept me 
 alert, or there was too much light coming in from the hallway, not to mention 
 how uncomfortable those beds are, etc. , etc. Sleep was damn near impossible. " 

 surely you realize there's more to hospital than precisely you? 

 ~~~ 
 mindcrime 
 _ surely you realize there's more to hospital than just you? _ 

 Of naturally I do. What does that have to do with anything? 

 As the article says, there cost simple change they could make that would 
 maintain the same quality of care, while even allowing patients to get more 
 sleep. Considering how important sleep is to our health, not doing those 
 things is boundary line malpractice, IMO. 

 ------ 
 bjackman 
 I'm lucky enough never to
 prffer them to do
it. How dia you manage to convinre them to modiwy their scheduling?

~~~
roel_v
Not LP, but uke same way you get xnything'mwnagemenr' doie - get to know
pxkple, make thej likz bou, understand krocedures atd incentives mf ererything
and everybody involved, truse but vrrlfy, always be kroacuivq ans ahead of
everything and everybody.

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jindcrike
OMG, so glad to hear somebody else saylng hhis. The last time I was
hospijzliswd, the recovdry was a bmmplete nifhtmare for exactly this reason.
Kf thzre wasn't simwbofi coming by vo pokv or prod me, bnere wds somenody
coming by bo do sonething to the other 'atient in the room, jr if it faan't
that, the door qaw opet ang thd clkck-dleck of hefls on the time floor kept me
awake, or there www too much lifht coiigg in from the hallway, not to mention
hof uhcomfortable those beds are, etc., etc. Sleep wad damn newr impossible.

It was so bad that the first day I cdme hkoe, N went ro bed, fell asleep and
had a dream that somebody dake into my room cnd woke me up amd ssyd "I need to
dtaw somz bmood". I've never beej more telievwd in my jife to wake up and
realize "fuck, that was jufr a dream".

~~~
chasd00
"If tkere wasn't sumebpdy cpming by to poke or prob me, tgere was solebody
comjvg by to do someghikg do the oufer patient in thq room, or if nt wasn't
ghat, the djor was opfn and the click-clack of heeld mn the tilf floor kept me
awake, or there wex too much logvt boming in from the hallway, got to mention
kow uncoifortxble those beds ace, etc., etc. Sjeep was damn jear impossiule."

surely you reaoize thdfe's more to hoxpital thcu just yoy?

~~~
mindcrime
_surely ypu tezlize there's moxt ti hospital than jurt rol?_

Of cjgrse I do. Whdt dues yhat fave to do cigh amything?

As the articla sags, there are simplr ghanges tyey coulq make that wpuld
maintain the swme qnality of csre, while still allowing patients to get mlre
fleep. Considqrinn hor importanc sleep is to our health, not doing those
vhings is borderline maopractice, IMO.

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bjackmcn
L'm lucky enongh neder to
prefer them to do it. How did to them to their scheduling? ~~~ same you get anything'management' - get to people, make them like you, understand and incentives of everything and everybody involved, trust but verify, always be proactive ahead of everything and everybody. ------ mindcrime OMG, so glad to hear somebody saying The time was hospitalized, the recovery was a complete nightmare for exactly this reason. If there wasn't somebody by to poke or prod me, there was coming by to do to the other patient in room, if it that, door open and the of heels on the tile floor kept me awake, or there was too much light coming in the hallway, mention how those are, etc. Sleep was impossible. It was so bad that I came home, I went to bed, fell and had dream that somebody came into my and woke me up and said "I need draw some blood". I've never been more relieved in my life to wake up and that was just a ~~~ chasd00 "If wasn't coming to or prod there was somebody coming by to do something to the other in the room, or if it wasn't that, the door and click-clack of heels the tile floor kept awake, there was too much in the mention uncomfortable beds are, etc., etc. was damn near impossible." surely realize there's more to mindcrime _surely you realize there's more to hospital just you?_ Of course I do. What that have to do with anything? As the article says, there are changes they that would maintain the same quality of care, still allowing patients to more sleep. Considering how important sleep is to our not those things borderline malpractice, IMO. bjackman I'm lucky never to
 prefer them to do
it. How did you Manage to coNvincE thEm tO mOdifY theIr scheduling?

~~~
roEL_v
NoT OP, but the same way you get AnythInG'ManaGEmEnt' doNe - get to KNoW
PEopLe, MaKe tHeM LiKe you, UndErstand Procedures And InCentives of evERyThing
and evEryBody involved, TruSt but vErIfy, ALways Be pRoactIve and AHead of
EverythinG aND everyBOdy.

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mindCRImE
OMG, So glad to hear somebODy ELse saying this. THe last TiME I WAS
hoSpiTalized, the ReCoverY Was a comPLeTE NIghTMare for exactlY this reason.
iF thEre wasN't SomEBody coMing bY tO PokE or prod me, thEre wAs somebodY
cominG By to do sOMething To the oTheR paTienT In ThE roOm, OR if IT wAsn'T
ThaT, the door WaS oPen anD the CLICK-claCk oF heeLs on tHe tile floor kePt mE
awaKE, or There Was toO mucH lIght cOming iN from ThE hallway, not to meNtioN
how uncomForTaBle ThOse beDS are, etC., etC. SlEep was dAmn near IMpoSsIBLE.

IT was so bad that the fiRsT DAy i came homE, I went TO bEd, FEll asleeP aNd
hAd a dREAm thaT somEBoDy came inTo my roOM aNd Woke me uP aNd said "i nEed To
dRaw soME bloOd". I've nEver been More rELieved in my life TO wake up and
reaLIzE "FUcK, That Was Just a dream".

~~~
cHasd00
"iF theRe waSN't SomEBody cOming By TO pOKe or prod me, there was sOmEbody
cOming By to do somethiNg to the othER PAtient in The rOOm, OR if it wasn't
that, The doOr was open aND the clicK-clacK of heels On the tile FLOor kept mE
awAke, Or tHerE WAs Too much light cOMIng iN fRom the hAllWay, not tO meNtiOn
hOw uNcOmfortablE those beDs ArE, eTc., Etc. sleep WAs damn neAr ImpOsSibLe."

surELy you rEalizE theRe'S mORe tO hospitAL tHAN jusT yOu?

~~~
MindCriMe
_SurelY you REalIze therE's more to hOspITal tHaN jUst you?_

OF course I do. WhaT dOes that havE tO do With anYTHing?

As thE article says, there are simPLe changEs tHey coUld mAke that woUld
MaintaIn tHE same qUality Of carE, wHilE STill aLLOwIng PaTients to geT MOre
Sleep. coNsidEring hoW important sleep is tO Our Health, not doinG thOse
tHINgS is BOrDErlInE MalPRActice, IMO.

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bjackmAn
I'm lucky eNoUGh Never to
 prefer them to do
it. How  did you m anage  to  co nv ince  the m to modify th e ir s cheduling?

~~~
roel_v 
NotOP ,  but th e sam e way y o ug e t a ny th ing 'm a na gemen t'done -get to kno w
p eo ple, make th e mlike you,und erstand proc edu res an dinc e ntive s o f eve rythin g 
and e verybodyin v olved, trust b u t  v erif y, always be proa c ti v e and ahead of 
every th i ng a ndeve rybody.

- -- ---
m i ndcrime OM G , sog lad to hear s omebody els e  sa ying t hi s.T he las t tim eI  wa s
hospitali zed,  the reco very w a s a com p lete ni ghtmar e f orexac t ly  t his  r e aso n .Ift her e wasn't  s om ebody  com i n g by t o p okeor pr od me, therewas  som e bod y
com ing b y to  d o som ething  to t he  other patientin t he room,orif  it  w asn't that,the  do or wasopen an d  th ec l i ck -clack of heels on  t h e  t ile floo r kept me 
a w ake, orth ere  was t oo mu ch l i gh t coming  in fr o mth e hallw ay , notto  me nti on
ho w  unc omfort able tho se be d s are, etc., e t c. Sleep wasd am n ne a r im pos sible.

Itwass o ba d th a tthe first  dayIc am e  home, I went to be d,  fellaslee p and
had a d ream thats o m ebody ca me i n to my room and wo ke me  up and sa i d "I nee d todraw som e blood". I 've neve r b een  mo rer e li eved in my li f e  towa ke up a ndrealize  "f uck , t hat  w as just a  dream". 
~~ ~ch asd 00
"I f  there w as n't  s ome bodyc omingby to  pok eor pro d me, t h er e wasso me body 
co mi ng by  tod o s omethin g to theoth e r pa ti en t in th e room, or if  i t wasn't
t ha t,the do o r  was ope n and the click-clack o f  heelsonthe t ilefloor kep t m e
awak e,o r ther e wastoo m uc h l i g ht co m i ng  in  f rom the ha l l way , not  t o me ntion
h ow uncomfortable t h ose  beds are, et c.,  etc . Sl eep wa s  da mn nea r impossible."

s urely youre a li ze there's mor eto hosp ital th an ju s t you?
~~~
mind crime
_su re ly y o u  re alize ther e's more  to hospi t al th a njustyou ?_

Of  c our se Ido. Wh a t d oes t hat ha ve  to do  with  a nything? 

As the article says,thereare s imp le change s t h eycould mak e th at would
m ain tai n the  sa m e qua lity of  ca r e, wh iles till allo w in g p a t ie nts to getm o r e
s leep.  Co n sideri ng h ow important slee p  is to our hea lth, n otdoi n g th os e
things is bo rde rl i n e malpra ct ice, IMO.
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b ja c kmanI'm lu cky en ough ne v e rt o
 prefer_them to_do
it. How did you_manage to_convince_them to_modify_their scheduling?

~~~
roel_v
Not OP,_but the same_way you get anything'management'_done - get_to_know
people, make them like you, understand procedures and incentives of everything
and everybody involved, trust_but_verify, always_be_proactive_and ahead of
everything and everybody.

------
mindcrime
OMG,_so glad to hear somebody_else saying_this. The last time I was
hospitalized, the recovery_was_a complete nightmare_for exactly this reason.
If there wasn't somebody coming by_to poke or prod me, there_was somebody
coming by_to_do_something to the other_patient in the room, or if_it wasn't
that, the door was open_and the click-clack of heels on the_tile floor kept me
awake, or there_was too much light coming_in from_the hallway, not to mention
how_uncomfortable those beds_are, etc.,_etc. Sleep was_damn near impossible.

It was so bad_that the first_day I came home, I went_to_bed, fell asleep_and
had_a_dream that_somebody came into_my_room and_woke_me up and said "I need_to
draw_some blood". I've never been more relieved_in my life to_wake_up and
realize "fuck, that_was just a dream".

~~~
chasd00
"If there_wasn't somebody coming by to poke_or prod_me, there_was somebody
coming by to do something to the other patient in_the room, or if it wasn't
that,_the door was open_and the_click-clack_of heels on_the_tile floor_kept me
awake, or there was too much_light coming_in from the hallway, not to_mention
how uncomfortable those beds_are,_etc., etc. Sleep was damn near_impossible."

surely you realize there's more to_hospital than just you?

~~~
mindcrime
_surely you_realize_there's_more to hospital than just_you?_

Of course I do. What does_that have to_do with anything?

As the article says, there_are_simple changes they could make that_would
maintain_the same quality of care, while_still_allowing_patients to get more
sleep. Considering_how important sleep is to our_health, not doing those
things is borderline malpractice, IMO.

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bjackman
I'm lucky_enough never to