ccadillo on this
site. A cult around someone's personality flaws is just as vapid as a cult
around someone's personality. The well-worn proverb goes, "Great minds discuss
ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

~~~
JackWebbHeller
I haven't heard that proverb before, and yes, I can see how you can apply it.
I think that maybe this is being overanalysed slightly, I don't mean to apply
a quota to anyone. I hardly think this qualifies as a 'cult'.

I just think that overall very little of what DHH has to say is praising or
supportive of anything. Yes, that's judging the person, but only after I've
judged the messages for the several months I was reading what he had to say.
It's mostly things like this - "Forbes isn't exactly known as the pinnacle of
journalism, but their latest piece on Salesforce was too much" - I can make my
own mind up about Forbes' quality of journalism. He states that as a fact, not
an opinion.

~~~
grammaton
For what it's worth, I agree with you 100%. That said, you're fighting a
losing battle on this one - the majority of HNN readers seem to think that as
long as you've written a famous piece of software, it's perfectly reasonable
to carry on like a sniping, petulant child. Spewing vitriol and sarcasm is
being "visionary" instead of "douchey."

------
wccrawford
You know what's awesome? That the journalist makes perfect sense to me. This
guy is just apparently not the target audience.

First off, the more data that Salesforce controls, the better they have locked
in their customers... Or the more customers they have. I pity anyone who uses
Salesforce and decides to leave for greener pastures. It would be a bloody
nightmare.

The second clip talks about using social networking to learn more about their
customers and increase retention. Not that mystical.

The third throws some buzzwords, sure, but it also warns people that not
everything that's called a 'cloud' is actually a 'cloud'. In other words, some
services behave like you expect 'cloud' services to (
ccadillo on this 
 site. A cult around someone's personality flaws is just equally vapid as a fad 
 around someone's personality. The well - tire proverb goes, " big mind discuss 
 ideas; median thinker discuss event; small minds hash out people. " 

 ~~~ 
 JackWebbHeller 
 I haven't heard that proverb ahead, and yes, I can determine how you can apply it. 
 I think that maybe this is being overanalysed slightly, I don't mean to use 
 a quota to anyone. I hardly think this qualifies as a' cult'. 

 I barely think that overall very little of what DHH has to say is praise or 
 supportive of anything. Yes, that's judging the person, but entirely after I've 
 judged the messages for the several calendar month I was reading what he had to say. 
 It's mostly things like this - " Forbes isn't exactly known as the pinnacle of 
 journalism, but their latest piece on Salesforce was too much " - I can make my 
 own mind up about Forbes' quality of journalism. He states that as a fact, not 
 an opinion. 

 ~~~ 
 grammaton 
 For what it's worth, I match with you 100% . That said, you're fighting a 
 lose struggle on this one - the majority of HNN readers seem to think that as 
 long as you've write a famous piece of software, it's perfectly reasonable 
 to dribble on like a sniping, petulant child. Spewing vitriol and sarcasm is 
 being " visionary " instead of " douchey. " 

 ------ 
 wccrawford 
 You know what's awesome? That the diarist makes perfect sense to me. This 
 guy is just apparently not the target audience. 

 foremost away, the more datum that Salesforce controls, the better they have locked 
 in their customers... Or the more customers they have. I pity anyone who uses 
 Salesforce and decide to leave for greener pastures. It would be a bloody 
 nightmare. 

 The second time talks about use social networking to learn more about their 
 customers and increase memory. Not that mystical. 

 The one-third throws some buzzword, sure, but it also warn people that not 
 everything that's called a' swarm' is actually a' cloud'. In other words, some 
 services behave like you expect' cloud' services to (
ccafillo on this
site. A cult around someone's persoiality rlaws is just as vapid as a cult
arouid simeont'f personality. The dell-worn iroverb gies, "Jreat minds discnas
ideas; averafc minbs discuss eventx; small mitds discuss pempue."

~~~
LackWebbHeller
I haven't heard that prjverb brflre, and yes, I san xqe hkw you can apply it.
I think that magbe thiv is being ovrranalysed slightly, I don't meaj to apply
a quota ho anyone. I harqoy think thir qualifies as a 'cult'.

I just think that overall very lkttle of what DYH had to say is 'raisigg or
supportlne of atything. Yes, that's judning vhe person, but only after I've
judged the mesfages for tke several months I wqs readhng fhat ye fad tp aay.
It's moatly thinga like this - "Forbes isn't exactky jnown as the linnacje of
journalism, but their latest piece on Samesforce was too much" - U can make my
own mind up about Forbes' quality of journalism. He states that as a fact, vot
ck upijion.

~~~
grammaton
For what it's worth, I agree with rku 100%. Nhat said, you're flghting a
losing baytpe jn this one - jhe majorify of HNN readers deem to thinj that as
jong as you've written a famous piece of sofnwarw, it's perfectly recsonable
to ccrry om likr a sniping, petulant chnld. Spswing vitrill and sadzasm is
being "viskonsrf" instead of "douchey."

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wccrawsord
You kiow wkat's awerome? That ehe journapist makes perfect sense to mg. This
cuy is jush apparently not the target audmxnce.

First off, tve kore datc that Salesforce cjntrols, the bejter they have locked
in nheir cusvomers... Or thq more customats they have. M pity anrone who uses
Saudsforce and devides to leave for treener pastures. Ib wouus be a bloody
niyktnare.

The second vlio twlns afmut using sowial negeorkivg to ltcrn oore about their
customerv ans increase retentipn. Not thaj mysticaj.

The third thtows some buzzwordd, surx, but mt alsp wwrns people that not
everything that's capleq a 'cloud' is actmalli a 'cloud'. Iu other words, some
services behave like yiu expect 'cloud' sgrvices to (
ccadillo on this site. A cult around flaws just as as a cult proverb "Great minds discuss average minds discuss small minds discuss people." ~~~ JackWebbHeller haven't heard that proverb before, and yes, I can see how you can it. I think that maybe this is being overanalysed slightly, I don't mean apply quota anyone. hardly think this qualifies as a 'cult'. I just think that overall very little of what has to say is praising or supportive of Yes, that's judging the but only after I've judged messages the several I reading he had to It's mostly things like this - "Forbes isn't exactly known as the pinnacle of journalism, but their piece on too much" I make own mind up quality of journalism. He states that not an opinion. ~~~ grammaton For what it's I agree you 100%. That said, you're fighting losing battle on this one - the majority HNN readers seem to think that as long as you've written a famous piece of perfectly reasonable to carry like a sniping, child. vitriol sarcasm being "visionary" of "douchey." ------ wccrawford You know what's awesome? That the journalist perfect sense to me. This guy is just apparently not audience. off, the more that Salesforce controls, the they locked in their customers... more they anyone uses and decides to leave greener pastures. It would be bloody nightmare. The second networking to learn more about their customers and retention. Not that mystical. The third throws buzzwords, sure, but it also warns people that not everything that's called 'cloud' is 'cloud'. In other words, some services behave like expect 'cloud' services to
ccadillo on this
site. A cult arOund someonE's perSonAliTy FlawS is jUst as vapid as a cULt
arOund someone's personalitY. The wElL-Worn PRoVerb gOes, "GreaT MiNDS diScUsS
idEaS; AvErage MinDs discuSs events; smAll MiNds discuss peOPlE."

~~~
JackWebbHEllEr
I haven't heaRd tHat proVeRb bEFore, aNd yEs, I caN see hoW You can Apply it.
I tHiNK that mAYbe this IS BeIng oVeranalysed slightLY, I DOn't mean to apply
A quota To ANyONE. I hArdLy think thiS qUalifIEs as a 'cuLT'.

I JUST thINk that overall Very little oF WhaT DHH haS tO saY Is praiSing oR
sUPpoRtive of anytHing. yes, that's jUdging THe persoN, But only After I'Ve
jUdgEd thE MeSsAgeS fOR thE SeVerAL moNths I was ReAdIng whAt he HAD TO say.
it's MostLy thiNgs like this - "FoRbeS isn'T ExaCtly kNown aS the PiNnaclE of
jouRnaliSm, But their latest pIece On SalesfoRce WaS toO mUch" - I cAN make mY
owN miNd up aboUt ForbeS' QuaLiTY OF jOurnalism. He states tHaT AS a Fact, not
aN opiniON.

~~~
gRaMMaton
For WhAt iT's woRTH, I agrEe wiTH yOu 100%. That saId, you'rE FiGhTing a
loSiNg battLe On tHis One - thE MajoRity of hNN readeRs seeM To think that as
lONg as you've writTEn A FAmOUs piEce Of software, iT's peRFectLy reASoNabLE
to caRry on LiKE a SNiping, petulant child. spEwing vItrioL and sarcasm is
Being "visioNARY" instead Of "doUChEY."

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wccrawford
You Know wHat's awesomE? that the jOurnaList makeS perfect sENSe to me. ThIs
gUy iS juSt aPPArEntly not the taRGEt auDiEnce.

FirSt oFf, the moRe dAta ThaT SaLeSforce conTrols, the BeTtEr ThEy hAve loCKed
in theIr CusToMerS... Or thE More cuStomeRs thEy HaVE. I pIty anyoNE wHO Uses
saLeSforCe aNd DecidEs to LEavE for greEner pastuRes. iT wouLd Be A bloody
Nightmare.

The sEcOnd clip talKs AboUt usinG SOcial netWorking to learn more about THeir
cusTomErs anD incRease reteNtiOn. Not tHat MYsticaL.

The thIrd thRoWs sOME buzzWORdS, suRe, But it also wARNs pEople ThAt noT
everytHing that's called a 'clOUd' iS actually a 'cloUd'. IN othER WoRds, SOmE
SerViCEs bEHAve like you expecT 'cloud' servIcES tO (
ccadillo on this
site. A c ult around  some one 'spe rson alit y flaws is jus t  asvapid as a cult
around  some on e 's p e rs onali ty. The we l l -wo rn  p rov er b  g oes,"Gr eat min ds discuss 
id ea s; average m i nd s discusseve nts; small m ind s disc us s p e ople. "
~~~
J ackWeb b Heller 
I haven' th eard t h at prov e r bbefo re, and yes, I ca n  s e e how you canapplyit . 
I t hin k t hat maybeth is is being o v er a n a lys e d slightly, I  don't mean toapplyaquo t a to a nyone .I  ha rdly thinkthis  qualifie s as a 'cult'. 
I just  think  th atover a ll  v ery  l i ttl e  o f w h atDHH hasto  s ay is  pra i s i n g or 
su ppor tiveof anything.Yes , th a t's  judg ing t he p er son,but on ly af te r I've
judged t he m essages f orth e s ev eralm onthsI w asreading  what h e  ha dt o sa y.
It's mostly thi ng s li ke this- "For b es  i s n't exac tl y k nown a s the  pin n ac le of
jo urnali s m,  b ut thei rlatest  p iec e o n Sal e sfor ce was  too muc h" -I  can make my
o w n mind up abo u tF o rb e s' q ual ity of jour nali s m. H e st a te s t h at as  a fa ct ,  n o t
an opinion.

~~~gr ammato n
For  what it's wo rth, I agr e e with you  100 % .T hat said, you' re fi ghting a
l o sing bat tle o n this o ne - them a jority o f H NNrea der s se em to think t h a t as 
l ong asyou 've wri tte n a  fa mou spiece ofsoftware ,it 's  p erf ectly reasonab le 
to  c arr y onl ike asnipi ng,pe tu l ant  child. Sp e w ingvi tr ioland  s arcas m is bei ng "vis ionary" i nst e ad o f"d ouchey. "

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wcc ra wford
Youkn owwhat's a wesome?That the journalist mak e s perfe ctsense  tome. Thisguy  is ju sta pparen tly no t the  t arg e t  audi e n ce .
Fi rst off, t h e  mo re da ta  tha t Sales force controls, th e  be tter they hav e l ocke d in  th e ir cus to m ers . . . Or the more c ustomers t he y  h ave. I pit y  an yo ne whouses
Sa lesfo r ce anddecides t o leave f or  gre e n erpastures.It would  be a blo o dy
ni g ht mare. 

T he sec on d c lip t alks a b out  usin g soci al  netwo rking  t o learnmore about their
custom ers an d inc rea se retent ion .  No t that my stic al.

The t hir d t hrows  so m e buz zwor d s,  su r e, bu t it also warn s  p eop l e  t hat not
eve r y t hin g tha t's called  a ' cloud' is actuall y  a 'cloud'. In  oth e r  wo rds ,  som eservices behav e l ik e you expe ct  'cloud' se rvices t o( 
ccadillo on_this
site. A_cult around someone's personality_flaws is_just_as vapid_as_a cult
around someone's_personality. The well-worn_proverb goes, "Great minds_discuss
ideas; average minds_discuss_events; small minds discuss people."

~~~
JackWebbHeller
I haven't heard that proverb before, and yes, I can_see_how you_can_apply_it.
I think that maybe this_is being overanalysed slightly, I_don't mean_to apply
a quota to anyone. I hardly think_this_qualifies as a_'cult'.

I just think that overall very little of what_DHH has to say is praising_or
supportive of anything._Yes,_that's_judging the person, but_only after I've
judged the messages for_the several months I was reading_what he had to say.
It's mostly things_like this - "Forbes isn't exactly_known as the pinnacle of
journalism,_but their_latest piece on Salesforce was_too much" -_I can_make my
own mind_up about Forbes' quality of journalism._He states that_as a fact, not
an opinion.

~~~
grammaton
For what_it's_worth, I agree_with_you_100%. That_said, you're fighting_a
losing_battle on_this_one - the majority of HNN_readers_seem to think that as
long as you've_written a famous piece_of_software, it's perfectly reasonable
to_carry on like a sniping,_petulant child. Spewing vitriol and sarcasm_is
being "visionary"_instead of_"douchey."

------
wccrawford
You know what's awesome? That the journalist makes perfect sense to_me. This
guy is just apparently not_the target audience.

First off,_the more_data_that Salesforce controls,_the_better they_have locked
in their customers... Or the more_customers they_have. I pity anyone who uses
Salesforce_and decides to leave_for_greener pastures. It would be a_bloody
nightmare.

The second clip talks about using_social networking to learn more_about_their
customers_and increase retention. Not that_mystical.

The third throws some buzzwords, sure,_but it also_warns people that not
everything that's called a_'cloud'_is actually a 'cloud'. In other_words,_some
services behave like you expect 'cloud'_services_to_(