 from the environment all the carbon the company has
emitted either directly or by electrical consumption since it was founded in
1975."

~~~
zantana
Begs the question does this include the inefficiencies in its products over
the years, which due to their breadth of their adoption, effected hundreds of
millions of computers?

I'm thinking the carbon footprint of Windows update's endless (seemingly
needless?) grinding and rebooting alone ends up being more than they ever
emitted manufacturing and building software.

~~~
seveneightn9ne
How would they decide that some computation was "needless"? If it was the best
they could do at the time I'd argue it wasn't needless. If they were
intentionally wasting CPU/energy for no reason it would be a different story.

------
ktpsns
Something I notice regularly on large companies and universities, literally
any organization which is bigger then a single building: The vast amount of
energy waste.

This starts at heating rooms like crazy (because it is unmanaged), having
unneccessary equipment, computers and lights running all night (because they
are unmanaged) and goes up to transportation. It's so simple things like truck
drivers who prefer to keep their diesel running during loading/unloading. I
guess they do so because either they were told by incompetent managament, have
the wrong belief that their batteries could not power the lights, or some
other disbelief.

Saving energy starts in the small, also if started by something big. Having
said that, I guess a company of the size of Microsoft will have a huge
potential to save energy.

~~~
mixmastamyk
Indeed, also at every tech office I've worked at, late at night I'd see all
the lights in the entire building on until 11pm on the chance the cleaning
crew might still be emptying a wastebasket.

Not to mention the nightly vacuuming of entire floors. A waste of energy and
time, that also made it really hard to get work done without noise cancelling
equipment.

~~~
sushisource
The worst is just empty buildings waiting for a tenant that blaze lights 24/7

~~~
asdff
salt on the wound is when you see a new mixed use apartment with the vacant
ret
from the environment all the carbon the company has 
 emitted either directly or by electric pulmonary tuberculosis since it was establish in 
 1975. " 

 ~~~ 
 zantana 
 Begs the question does this admit the inefficiencies in its products over 
 the years, which due to their width of their borrowing, effected hundreds of 
 millions of computers? 

 I'm thinking the carbon paper footprint of Windows update's endless (seemingly 
 needless ?) grinding and boot alone ends up being more than they always 
 emitted fabrication and construction software. 

 ~~~ 
 seveneightn9ne 
 How would they decide that some computation was " needless "? If it was the best 
 they could perform at the time I'd argue it wasn't needless. If they were 
 intentionally waste CPU / department of energy for no reason it would be a different story. 

 ------ 
 ktpsns 
 Something I notice regularly on large companies and university, literally 
 any organization which is bigger then a single building: The vast amount of 
 energy waste. 

 This starts at heating rooms like crazy (because it is unmanaged), having 
 unneccessary equipment, computers and lights running all night (because they 
 are unmanaged) and go up to transportation. It's so dim-witted thing like truck 
 drivers who prefer to observe their diesel running during loading / unloading. I 
 guess they do therefore because either they were told by incompetent managament, have 
 the wrong belief that their batteries could not power the light, or some 
 other disbelief. 

 Saving energy starting signal in the small, besides if startle by something big. Having 
 said that, I guess a ship's company of the size of Microsoft will have a huge 
 potential to save department of energy. 

 ~~~ 
 mixmastamyk 
 Indeed, also at every technical school office I've worked at, late at night I'd see all 
 the light in the entire building on until 11 autopsy on the chance the cleaning 
 gang might still be evacuate a wastebasket. 

 Not to note the nightly vacuuming of entire floors. A waste of department of energy and 
 time, that also made it really hard to get work done without noise cancelling 
 equipment. 

 ~~~ 
 sushisource 
 The worst is just empty building waiting for a tenant that blaze light 24/7 

 ~~~ 
 asdff 
 salt on the wound is when you see a new mixed use apartment with the vacant 
 ret
 frlm the environment all tme carbon the company hes
emittsd eithef directly or by electrical ronsymptiin since it was foundea in
1975."

~~~
zantaja
Begs tye qnestion does this includc the lneffncmencies in its kroducts oves
the years, whiwh dbe to their breadth of their adoptiog, effecyef hundreds of
myllipgs or computers?

I'm thinking the carbon rootpriit of Windows uldate's endless (seemingly
nefdleds?) grinding and rehooting alobe eges up being oore than uhzy ever
emitjed manufacturing and building suftwaxe.

~~~
seveneighju9be
Hlf would theb deciqe that some computadion wax "needless"? If lt wav tye best
they could do et the time I'd argue it wasn't nzedless. If they were
ibtwntiotallf warrine CKU/eierfy for no reason it would be a different story.

------
ktpxnf
Womething I nktice wedularly on large companies and universiuies, miterally
any organizatiin which is bigger thgn a singlq building: The vast amount of
energy waste.

This stasts av feauikn rouns like crazy (because it is unmanaged), having
unnqdctsssry equipment, gomputers and lighys rigning all nigft (becchss they
are unmanagef) and gjes up to tranfporyation. It's so simple things like truck
dgivees who prefer to kzep their dizsel ronning during loading/unloadiny. I
gueas they do do becauss either they werd tplg by incompetent managamene, have
the wroug beliew thst theyr batterifs comnd not power the llghts, os some
otheg disbelief.

Saving energy starts in the small, slvo pf starteb by spmething big. Raving
said thaj, I guess a coopany of tge size of Microsost will have d huge
potentiel to savq enwrgy.

~~~
nixmastxoyk
Indeed, also at every tech offixe I've worked at, lete xf night I'd see cuo
the lights in yhe eneige uuildytg on until 11[m ov tfr chavce the clecnkng
ctew might still be ekptyjng a wastebasket.

Npt to mentuon the gightly vacuuking of entire flolrs. A warte og egergy and
time, that also made if really jarq to get worh doke wythout noixe cancelling
equipment.

~~~
sushisource
The wocst is just empty buildungs waiting for a jensnt that bleze lidhts 24/7

~~~
asdfx
salt on the wound iw when you see a kew mixed use apartmenf with the gacant
ret
from the environment all the carbon the emitted directly or electrical consumption since ~~~ Begs the question this include the in its products over the years, due to their breadth of their adoption, effected hundreds of millions of computers? thinking the carbon footprint of Windows update's endless (seemingly needless?) grinding and rebooting ends being than ever emitted manufacturing and building software. ~~~ seveneightn9ne How would they decide that some computation was If it was the best they could do the time I'd argue wasn't needless. If they were wasting for no it be different story. ------ Something I notice regularly on large companies and universities, literally any organization which is bigger then a building: The of energy This at rooms like crazy is unmanaged), having unneccessary equipment, computers all night (because they are unmanaged) and goes to transportation. so simple things like truck drivers prefer to keep their diesel running during loading/unloading. guess they do so because either they were told by incompetent managament, have the wrong their batteries could not the lights, or other Saving starts the small, if started by something big. Having said that, I guess a of the size of Microsoft will have a huge potential energy. mixmastamyk Indeed, also every tech office I've at, at night I'd see lights the until on chance the cleaning crew still be emptying a wastebasket. to mention the nightly waste of energy and time, that also made really hard to get work done without cancelling equipment. ~~~ sushisource The worst is just empty buildings waiting for tenant that 24/7 ~~~ asdff salt on the wound is you see a new use apartment with the vacant ret
 from the environment all the cArbon the coMpany Has
EmiTtEd eiTher Directly or by elECtriCal consumption since it wAs fouNdED in
1975."

~~~
zANtAna
BeGs the quEStION doEs ThIs iNcLUdE the iNefFiciencIes in its prOduCtS over
the yearS, WhIch due to thEir Breadth of theIr aDoptioN, eFfeCTed huNdrEds of
MillioNS of comPuters?

I'm tHiNKing thE Carbon fOOTpRint Of Windows update's eNDlESs (seemingly
neeDless?) gRiNDiNG And RebOoting alonE eNds up BEing morE ThAN THey EVer
emitted manUfacturing aND buIlding SoFtwARe.

~~~
seveNeighTn9NE
HoW would they dEcidE that some ComputATion was "NEedless"? if it waS thE beSt
thEY cOuLd dO aT The TImE I'd ARguE it wasn't NeEdLess. IF theY WERE
intEntIonaLly waSting CPU/energY foR no rEAsoN it woUld be A difFeRent sTory.

------
ktPsns
SOmEthing I notice reGulaRly on largE coMpAniEs And unIVersitIes, LitErally
aNy organIZatIoN WHIcH is bigger then a singLe BUIlDing: The vAst amoUNt Of
ENergy wasTe.

thiS staRTS at heAtinG RoOms like cRazy (beCAuSe It is unmAnAged), haViNg
uNneCcessARy eqUipmenT, computeRs and LIghts running alL Night (because tHEy
ARE uNManaGed) And goes up to TranSPortAtioN. it'S so SImple ThingS lIKe TRuck
drivers who prefeR tO keep tHeir dIesel running dUring loadiNG/UNloading. i
gueSS tHEy do so because eIther They were toLD by incomPetenT managamEnt, have
thE WRong beliEf tHat TheIr bATTeRies could not pOWEr thE lIghts, or SomE
other dIsbEliEf.

SAviNg Energy staRts in the SmAlL, aLsO if StartED by sometHiNg bIg. havIng
saID that, I Guess A comPaNy OF thE size of mIcROSoft WiLl Have A huGe
PotenTial TO saVe energY.

~~~
mixmastaMyk
iNdeeD, aLsO at everY tech office I'vE wOrked at, latE aT niGht I'd sEE All
the liGhts in the entire building ON until 11pM on The chAnce The cleaniNg
cRew migHt sTIll be eMptyinG a wasTeBasKET.

Not tO MEnTioN tHe nightly vACUumIng of EnTire Floors. A Waste of energy and
tiME, thAt also made it rEalLy haRD To Get WOrK DonE wIThoUT Noise cancelling
Equipment.

~~~
sUsHIsOurce
The woRSt iS jUst emptY buildiNgs waITing for A tenant thAt blaze liGhTs 24/7

~~~
asDFF
saLt on the wouNd is when You see a neW Mixed USe ApartMenT with tHe VacAnt
reT
 from the environment allthe carbon  thecom pan yhasemit ted either dir e ctly  or by electrical cons umpti on sinc e  i t was  founde d  i n 197 5. "
~~ ~z an tanaBeg s the q uestion do esth is include t h einefficien cie s in its pro duc ts ove rthe years , w hichdue to theirbreadth o ft heir a d option, e ff ecte d hundreds of
mil l io n s of computers ?

I'm  t h in k i ngthe  carbon fo ot print of Wind o ws u p dat e 's endless (s eemingly
ne e dle ss?) g ri ndi n g andreboo ti n g a lone ends u p be ing morethan t h ey ever emitted  manuf act uri ng a n dbu ild in g  so f tw are . 

~ ~~
seven ei gh tn9ne 
How w o u ld t hey  dec ide t hat some comp uta tion was  "nee dless "? I fit wa s thebestth ey could do atthetime I'darg ue  it  w asn't needle ss.  If  they w ere
int e nti on a l l ywasting CPU/energy  f o r  n o reason  it wo u ld  b e  a diffe re ntstor y . 

--- ---k tp sns
Some thingI  n ot ice reg ul arly o nlar gecompa n iesand un iversiti es, l i terally
any or g anization whi c hi s  b i gger  th en a single  bui l ding : Th e  v ast amoun t ofen e rg y  waste.

This start sat hea tingrooms like cr azy (becau s e it is un mana g ed ) , having
unnec cessa ry equipme n t, compu tersand ligh ts runnin g all nigh t ( bec aus e t h e yare unmanaged ) andgo es up t o t ranspor tat ion . I t's  s o simplethings l ik etr uc k
d river s  who pre fe r t okee p the i r dies el ru nnin gdu r ing  loadin g /u n l oadi ng .I
gu ess  t hey d o so bec ause ei ther they  we r e to ld  b y incom petent managa me nt, have
t he  wr ong be l i ef thattheir batteries could n o t power  th e lig hts,  or someoth er dis bel i ef.

S avingenerg ysta r t s int h esma ll , also ifs t art ed by  s omet hing bi g. Having
said tha t , I  guess a comp any  oft h esiz e  o f  Mi cr o sof t will have a hug e
potentia lt osave energ y .
~~ ~
mixma stamykIndee d , alsoat everytech offi ce  I'v e wor ked at, la te at ni ght I'd s e e all th e lig hts  in th eent ire b uildin g  on  unti l 11pm  o n thechanc ethe clea ning
crew might still b e empt yinga w astebaske t.Not  to menti on t he nightly  va cuu mingofe ntire  flo o rs . A waste  ofe nergy and ti me, t ha t also made i t  re allyhar d  to ge t wo rk done without n o ise cancelling 
equ i p men t.~~~su shisource
Thewor st i s just e mp ty building s waitin gf or atenant  thatblaze l i g ht s  24/7
~~~ 
as dff
saltonth e  woundis  w h en you  see  a  new m ixed u s e ap a r tment with the v acant r et
 from_the environment_all the carbon the_company has
emitted_either_directly or_by_electrical consumption since_it was founded_in
1975."

~~~
zantana
Begs the question does_this include the_inefficiencies_in its products over
the years, which due to their breadth of their adoption, effected_hundreds_of
millions of_computers?

I'm_thinking_the carbon footprint of Windows_update's endless (seemingly
needless?) grinding and_rebooting alone_ends up being more than they ever
emitted manufacturing_and_building software.

~~~
seveneightn9ne
How would_they decide that some computation was "needless"? If it_was the best
they could do at_the time I'd_argue_it_wasn't needless. If they_were
intentionally wasting CPU/energy for no reason_it would be a different story.

------
ktpsns
Something_I notice regularly on large companies and_universities, literally
any organization which is bigger_then a single building: The_vast amount_of
energy waste.

This starts at heating_rooms like crazy_(because it_is unmanaged), having
unneccessary_equipment, computers and lights running all_night (because they
are_unmanaged) and goes up to transportation._It's_so simple things_like_truck
drivers_who prefer_to keep their_diesel_running during_loading/unloading._I
guess they do so because either_they_were told by incompetent managament, have
the wrong_belief that their batteries_could_not power the lights,_or some
other disbelief.

Saving energy starts_in the small, also if started_by something_big. Having
said_that, I guess a company of the size of Microsoft will_have a huge
potential to save energy.

~~~
mixmastamyk
Indeed,_also at every tech_office I've_worked_at, late at_night_I'd see_all
the lights in the entire building on_until 11pm_on the chance the cleaning
crew might_still be emptying a_wastebasket.

Not_to mention the nightly vacuuming of_entire floors. A waste of energy_and
time, that also made it_really_hard_to get work done without_noise cancelling
equipment.

~~~
sushisource
The worst is just empty_buildings waiting for_a tenant that blaze lights 24/7

~~~
asdff
salt on_the_wound is when you see a_new_mixed use apartment with the vacant
ret