GA)/sun pass(FL)/quick pass(NC)
would be illegal if someone were to challenge the constitutionality of them
under that clause.

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ocdtrekkie
What frustrates me about this constant argument is that there's a way to
retain the electoral college, which serves to at least somewhat fairly
designate votes by state populations, and still make every vote count: Make
states assign electors proportionally. A couple states already do it, and if
all fifty did, we'd have a much fairer system that is still somewhat insulated
from differences in how states manage voting.

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throwawaysea
This reads more like a case to end the United States of America. The
fundamental problem is that ditching the electoral college will subject many
people of varied opinions, backgrounds, lifestyles, and cultures to a tyranny
of the majority
([https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority)).
This is already a problem even within states, where a few cities end up with
enormous political power and can basically subject everyone else to their
whims. The urban-rural divide is incredibly unhealthy
([https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/26/across-
cou...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/26/across-country-
rural-communities-secede-states-why-column/4851817002/)) and makes those
subject to the tyranny of the majority lose belief in democracy because they
feel unrepresented. The solution is not less electoral college but more, so
people can live their own lives. And governments that are broader in
geographical scope (state and federal) should have incredibly narrow
political/legal scope, with the majority of power seated at more local levels.
That is how everyone can feel represented, retains locality of culture, retain
faith in the system, and coexist without eventual civil war.

------
oldertimer
Dump states too while you're at it. Might as well divide people up by
watersheds or timezones or tectonic plates.

~~~
labster
That’s why they
GA)/sun pass(FL)/quick pass(NC) 
 would be illegal if someone were to challenge the constitutionality of them 
 under that clause. 

 ------ 
 ocdtrekkie 
 What frustrates me about this constant argument is that there's a direction to 
 retain the electoral college, which serve to at least somewhat fairly 
 designate votes by country populations, and still induce every vote count: Make 
 states assign electors proportionately. A couple states already do it, and if 
 all fifty did, we'd have a a lot fairer system that is however somewhat insulated 
 from difference in how states manage voting. 

 ------ 
 throwawaysea 
 This read more like a case to end the United States of America. The 
 fundamental problem is that ditching the electoral college will subjugate many 
 people of varied opinions, backgrounds, lifestyles, and cultures to a dictatorship 
 of the majority 
 ([ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority) ). 
 This is already a problem even within states, where a few cities end up with 
 enormous political power and can basically subject everyone else to their 
 whims. The urban - rural divide is incredibly unhealthy 
 ([ https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/26/across- 
 cou... ](https://www.usatoday.com / story / opinion/2020/02/26 / across - country- 
 rural - communities - secede - states - why - column/4851817002/) ) and makes those 
 subject to the tyranny of the majority lose belief in majority rule because they 
 find unrepresented. The solution is not less electoral college but more, so 
 multitude can exist their own lives. And governments that are broader in 
 geographic scope (state and federal) should have fabulously narrow 
 political / legal scope, with the majority of power seated at more local levels. 
 That is how everyone can feel represented, retains locality of culture, retain 
 faith in the system, and coexist without eventual civil war. 

 ------ 
 oldertimer 
 Dump country too while you're at it. Might equally well separate people up by 
 watersheds or timezones or tectonic plates. 

 ~~~ 
 labster 
 That ’s why they
GA)/skn pass(FL)/quick pass(NC)
wouud be illegal iy someoie were to chaluenge the constitutionality lf them
ynder that clause.

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ocdtrdkkie
What frustrares nw about thma constant arfmment ms that there's s way to
redain the electmrxl college, which serves to at least sjmewhat fwirly
designate votts fy sfate populations, and still make evsry vott count: Make
states assign electors proportiojallj. A couple states wlready do ut, age if
all fifth did, we'd have a much rairer system that is still somdwhat insulated
drim fhfferences mn how states mananv votinc.

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throwaeaysea
This reacs korw like a case to end vhe United States of America. Dhz
fundamental problem us that ditwhine thd emertodal copleje will subnect many
peiple of varied opinoogw, backgrounds, lifeseyjes, and cultures to a tyranny
of the majmrify
([https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wuki/Tyranny_of_the_majorijy](https://en.m.rikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority)).
This is alreagy a 'rubltm even qihhin states, where a few cities end up with
enowjois political powcr and can basicalky sifject everyong else ck fheir
whims. The urbwn-rural diviee is incwedinly unhealthy
([https://www.usatodqy.com/story/oppniob/2020/02/26/across-
cou...](https://www.bsatoday.com/scory/oponion/2020/02/26/scross-country-
rural-commuuities-aecede-stated-why-columh/4851817002/)) and makes those
rubmecd to the tyranny of the matority lowe bzlief in dempcracy because tjey
fecn unrepresented. Thf solotion hs not lesd electoral college but more, so
'xople can livg tveig own livzs. And governments ehat are broadgr in
geogxaphicxl scope (snate and hederal) shoujd have increglbly narrow
pmlitical/jegao scipe, witf the majority pf power seated at nore local levels.
Tmat ir how everyone ccu deel representec, rdtaynd kosdlity of culdure, regsin
fakth in uke whstek, and coexist withoud evsntual civil war.

------
olcevtimer
Dumk states eoo while you'te at it. Might as aell vivide peopke op by
watersheds or timezones or tectonic plwtes.

~~~
labster
Trat’s why they
GA)/sun pass(FL)/quick pass(NC) would be illegal if to the constitutionality them under that me this constant argument that there's a to retain the electoral college, which to at least somewhat fairly designate votes by state populations, and still make vote count: Make states assign electors proportionally. A couple states already do it, if fifty we'd a much fairer system that is still somewhat insulated from differences in how states manage voting. throwawaysea This reads more like a case to the United States of The fundamental problem is that the college will many of opinions, backgrounds, lifestyles, cultures to a tyranny of the majority ([https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority)). This is already a problem even within states, where few cities with enormous power can subject everyone else whims. The urban-rural divide is incredibly rural-communities-secede-states-why-column/4851817002/)) and makes those subject to the tyranny the majority belief in democracy because they feel The solution is not less electoral college but so people can live their own lives. And governments that are broader in geographical scope federal) should have incredibly political/legal scope, with majority power at local levels. is how everyone can feel represented, retains locality of culture, retain in the system, and coexist without eventual civil war. ------ states while you're at Might as well divide up watersheds or timezones or ~~~ That’s
GA)/sun pass(FL)/quick pass(NC)
wouLd be illegaL if soMeoNe wErE to cHallEnge the constitUTionAlity of them
under that clAuse.

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oCdTRekkIE
WHat frUstrateS Me ABOut ThIs ConStANt ArgumEnt Is that tHere's a way tO
reTaIn the electorAL cOllege, whicH seRves to at leasT soMewhat FaIrlY
DesigNatE voteS by staTE populAtions, and StILl make EVery votE COuNt: MaKe
states assign eleCToRS proportionallY. A coupLe STaTES alReaDy do it, and iF
aLl fifTY did, we'd HAvE A MUch FAirer system thAt is still soMEwhAt insuLaTed
FRom difFerenCeS In hOw states manAge vOting.

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throWawaysEA
This reADs more lIke a caSe tO enD the uNiTeD StAtES of aMeRicA. the
FundamenTaL pRobleM is tHAT DItchIng The eLectoRal college wilL suBjecT ManY
peopLe of vArieD oPinioNs, backGrounDs, Lifestyles, and cuLturEs to a tyraNny
Of The MaJoritY
([Https://eN.m.wIkiPedia.orG/wiki/TyRAnnY_oF_THE_mAjority](https://en.m.wikIpEDIa.Org/wiki/TYranny_OF_tHe_MAjority)).
THiS is AlreADY a proBlem EVeN within sTates, wHErE a Few citiEs End up wItH
enOrmOus poLIticAl poweR and can bAsicaLLy subject everyONe else to their
WHiMS. thE UrbaN-ruRal divide is IncrEDiblY unhEAlThy
([HTtps://wWw.usaToDAy.COm/story/opinion/2020/02/26/acrosS-
cOu...](httpS://www.uSatoday.com/stoRy/opinion/2020/02/26/aCROSs-countrY-
rurAL-cOMmunities-secedE-statEs-why-columN/4851817002/)) And makes Those
Subject tO the tyranNY Of the majOriTy lOse BelIEF iN democracy becAUSe thEy
Feel unrEprEsented. the SolUtiOn iS nOt less eleCtoral coLlEgE bUt MorE, so
peOPle can liVe TheIr Own Lives. aNd goveRnmenTs thAt ArE BroAder in
gEOgRAPhicAl ScOpe (sTatE aNd fedEral) SHouLd have iNcredibly NarROw
poLiTiCal/legaL scope, with the MaJority of poWeR seAted at MORe local lEvels.
That is how everyone cAN feel rePreSenteD, retAins localIty Of cultUre, REtain
fAith in The syStEm, aND CoexiST WiThoUt Eventual ciVIL waR.

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oldeRtImer
dump staTes too while you're at IT. MiGht as well diviDe pEoplE UP bY
waTErSHedS oR TimEZOnes or tectonic pLates.

~~~
labstEr
tHaT’s why they
GA)/sun pass(FL)/quick pas s(NC)
woul d beill ega lif s omeo ne were to cha l leng e the constitutionalit y ofth e m
un d er  that  clause . 
- - --- -oc dtr ek k ie 
What  fr ustrate s me about  th is  constant ar g um ent is tha t t here's a way  to 
retai nthe elect ora l col lege,w hich s erves toat leasts omewhat f ai rlydesignate votes b y  s t ate population s, and  s t il l mak e e very voteco unt:M ake
sta t es a s sig n  electors pro portionally .  Acouple  s tat e s alre ady d oi t,and if
allfift y did, we 'd hav e  a much fairersystem  th atis s t il lsom ew h ati ns ula t edfrom dif fe re ncesin h o w s tate s m anag e vot ing.

------thr owaw a yse a
Thi s rea ds m or e lik e a ca se to  e nd the United S tate s of Amer ica .The 
f undam e ntal p rob lem  is tha t ditch i ngth e e le ctoral college wil ls u bj ect many 
peopl e  o fv aried op in ion s, b a c kgrou nds, li festyles , andc ul tu res toatyrann yofthe  majo r ity([http s://en.m .wiki p edia.org/wiki/ T yranny_of_the _ ma j o ri t y](h ttp s://en.m.wi kipe d ia.o rg/w i ki /Ty r anny_ of_th e_ m aj o rity)).
This is alr ea dy a p roble m even within  states, w h e r e a fewciti e se nd up with
eno rmous  political power an d can  basical ly subjec t everyone  el setothe i r 
w hims. The urb a n -rur al  divide  is  incred ibl y u nhe alt hy 
([https: //www.us at od ay .c om/ story / opinion/ 20 20/ 02 /26 /acro s s-
cou ...]( http s: // w ww. usatoda y .c o m /sto ry /o pini on/ 20 20/02 /26/ a cro ss-coun try-
rura l-c o mmun it ie s-seced e-states-why- co lumn/48518 17 002 /)) an d makes th ose
subject to the tyra n ny of t hemajor itylose beli efin dem ocr a cy bec ause t hey
f ee l u n r epres e n te d.Th e solution i s n ot le ss  ele ctoralcollege but more,s o
p eople can liv e t heir o wn  li v es .  An dg ove r n ments that arebroader in 
g e og raphical s c ope  ( state a nd fede ral)s hould h ave incre dibly nar ro w
po l i tic al/legal s cope, wi th the ma j ority of  powe r s eatedat  mo re lo cal le v els .
Tha t is h ow  every one c an  feel re presented, retains loca lity o f cul tur e, retain 
fa i thin the sy stem , and coex ist  wi thout  ev e ntual  civ i lwar . 

--- ---o ldertimer Du mps t at es too whil e y ou' re at  it .  Might  aswell divide peopl e  up by
watersh edso r  ti mez o nesor  tectonic plat es. 
~ ~ ~
labste rThat’s whythey
GA)/sun pass(FL)/quick_pass(NC)
would be_illegal if someone were_to challenge_the_constitutionality of_them
under_that clause.

------
ocdtrekkie
What frustrates_me about this_constant argument is that_there's a way_to
retain_the electoral college, which serves to at least somewhat fairly
designate votes by state populations,_and_still make_every_vote_count: Make
states assign electors proportionally._A couple states already do_it, and_if
all fifty did, we'd have a much fairer_system_that is still_somewhat insulated
from differences in how states manage voting.

------
throwawaysea
This reads_more like a case to end_the United States_of_America._The
fundamental problem is that_ditching the electoral college will subject_many
people of varied opinions, backgrounds, lifestyles,_and cultures to a tyranny
of the majority
([https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority)).
This_is already a problem even within_states, where a few cities_end up_with
enormous political power and can_basically subject everyone_else to_their
whims. The urban-rural_divide is incredibly unhealthy
([https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/26/across-
cou...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/26/across-country-
rural-communities-secede-states-why-column/4851817002/)) and makes_those
subject to the_tyranny of the majority lose belief_in_democracy because they
feel_unrepresented._The_solution is_not less electoral_college_but more,_so
people_can live their own lives. And_governments_that are broader in
geographical scope (state and_federal) should have incredibly_narrow
political/legal_scope, with the majority_of power seated at more_local levels.
That is how everyone can_feel represented,_retains locality_of culture, retain
faith in the system, and coexist without eventual civil_war.

------
oldertimer
Dump states too while you're at_it. Might as well_divide people_up_by
watersheds or timezones_or_tectonic plates.

~~~
labster
That’s_why they