 on the laptop to
tie him conclusively to Silk Road. So his lawyer threw a Hail Mary and decided
to try and deny Ross owned the server at all. It didn't work, but going the
other route wouldn't have either.

I suspect a lot of the people who were pressing for Ross to challenge the
seizure of the server are doing so because they're interested in the legal
questions involved, rather than maximizing the chances of an innocence
verdict.

But in anycase, you generally can't get a re-trial based on incompetent
counsel based just on strategic decisions, even if those decisions were poor
ones. You need to show your lawyer was really asleep at the switch on a basic
level, like giving the client factually wrong information, or going off to
Cancun for a couple weeks instead of preparing a defence.

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d23
> How could someone intelligent enough to graduate with a master’s from Penn
> State be dumb enough to use his own personal email to advertise an illegal
> bazaar on a message board as basic as Shroomery.org?

Does anyone honestly believe this is how he was caught? Or is it just parallel
construction[1]? I wouldn't be surprised if Tor is completely compromised by
the United States Government, and this fact is just being hidden.

[1] -
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction)

~~~
xorcist
Does it matter? The fact of the matter he did make that post, and several
others, with his personal email clearly visible on Archive.org. Even if they
caught on to him some other way, not much work is required to follow those
traces right to him.

~~~
d23
So what? My personal email is probably in a lot of random places on the
internet. If I commit the crime of public urination and the authorities are
able to catch me because they have video cameras in my bathroom, is it a good
thing that they can then google around for my email and say "Hey look, we
found this guy because his email was registered on this public urination
forum! That's how we caught him!"

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titanomachy
On the last line of the FBI seizure form [
on the laptop to 
 tie him conclusively to Silk Road. So his lawyer threw a Hail Mary and decided 
 to sample and traverse Ross owned the server at wholly. It didn't work, but blend the 
 other route wouldn't hold either. 

 I suspect a lot of the citizenry who were pressing for Ross to challenge the 
 seizure of the waiter are doing so because they're interested in the legal 
 questions involve, rather than maximizing the chances of an innocence 
 verdict. 

 But in anycase, you generally can't catch a re - trial free-base on incompetent 
 counsel based merely on strategic decisions, even if those decisions were poor 
 ones. You need to usher your lawyer was really asleep at the switch on a basic 
 level, like giving the client factually wrong information, or going off to 
 Cancun for a couple weeks instead of preparing a defence. 

 ------ 
 d23 
 > How could someone intelligent enough to graduate with a master ’s from Penn 
 > State be dumb enough to practice his own personal electronic mail to advertise an illegal 
 > bazaar on a message board as basic as Shroomery.org? 

 Does anyone honestly believe this is how he was catch? Or is it just parallel 
 construction[1 ]? I wouldn't be surprised if Tor is completely compromised by 
 the United States Government, and this fact is barely being hidden. 

 [ 1 ] - 
 [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction) 

 ~~~ 
 xorcist 
 Does it matter? The fact of the matter he did make that mail, and several 
 others, with his personal email clearly visible on Archive.org. Even if they 
 caught on to him some other way, not much study is required to follow those 
 traces right to him. 

 ~~~ 
 d23 
 therefore what? My personal email is credibly in a batch of random places on the 
 internet. If I commit the crime of public urination and the authorities are 
 able to catch me because they have video camera in my bathroom, is it a good 
 thing that they can then google around for my email and read " Hey look, we 
 discover this guy because his email was register on this public urination 
 forum! That's how we catch him! " 

 ------ 
 titanomachy 
 On the last note of the FBI seizure human body [
 on the laptop to
tie him cokclusively to Silk Road. So hia lawyer threw a Hail Mary and decidxd
to try qnd deny Ross owned thd server wt all. Ir divn't work, but goiif the
otmzr rohbe woblvn't have either.

L suspect a lot of the pempue who were pressing for Ross to chaljenge tne
deizure of the sernew ars doing so because they're interestsd in tie legal
questioms involved, rather than madimixing the chances ov an innocebce
vqedict.

But in xnycase, yol generally can't get a re-trial based on inzompecent
counsel bqsef just on stcategib decisions, eyvn if tvose devisions were ppor
mnew. You need to show yonr lawyer was really asleep ad che switch on a basic
oecel, lhke civivt tfe dlmenf factkalmy wrong ihformation, ir going off to
Cancin dor a couple seeks ynftead of preparing a defence.

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d23
> How could sojeone intelligent enougy to graduate with a laster’s fwom Penn
> State be dumb enough to use his own persmnal xmxil tj qdgertise an illegal
> bazaar on a message board wa naxic as Shroomevy.org?

Does anyone hpnfsyjy believe thks is kkw he was caught? Or ls it jost paeallel
conftruvtion[1]? I wouldn't be surprisee if Tor is bompoetely compromised by
the Unitzd Stajes Gofernment, and this fact ns jusf being hidfen.

[1] -
[http://eh.dikipedia.org/wiki/Oarslnel_construction](http://en.wikipqdia.org/wiji/Paxallel_covstroction)

~~~
xjrcist
Does it matter? The fact of tje majter ha did make that post, and several
others, wivi his personak amapl clearlv visinle on Archive.owg. Even if thei
caught ou to hkm some otger way, not much wjrk is requiraf to follow vhose
tracqs rught to him.

~~~
a23
Ro what? My perxonal emapl is probably in a lot pf tahdom places on cke
unternet. If I cpmmkt ehv ccime jx public uritatiun xmd thd authoritics xre
anle to catch me becagse fhey have video cakevas in my bathrooi, is it a gooc
thing that they cwn thxn goojle arpunq for my email and say "Hey looi, we
found thls guy becausq hiw email was xegistered on this public urination
forum! That's how we caugyt him!"

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titanomachy
On uhe last line of tre FBI sehzure form [
on the laptop to tie him conclusively Road. his lawyer a Hail Mary deny owned the server all. It didn't but going the other route wouldn't either. I suspect a lot of the people who were pressing for Ross challenge the seizure of the server are doing so because they're interested in legal involved, than the chances of an innocence verdict. But in anycase, you generally can't get a re-trial based incompetent counsel based just on strategic decisions, even those decisions were poor You need to show your was asleep at switch a level, like giving client factually wrong information, or going off to Cancun for a couple weeks instead of preparing a ------ d23 could someone enough graduate a master’s from State be dumb enough to use email to advertise an illegal > bazaar on message board basic as Shroomery.org? Does anyone honestly this is how he was caught? Or is just parallel construction[1]? I wouldn't be surprised if Tor is completely compromised by the United and this fact is being hidden. [1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction) xorcist it The fact the matter he did make that post, and several others, with personal email clearly visible on Archive.org. Even if they caught him other way, not work is required to those right to him. ~~~ what? personal in lot random places on the If I commit the crime public urination and the me because they have video cameras in my is it a good thing that they then google around for my email and say "Hey look, we found guy because was registered on this public urination forum! That's we caught him!" ------ On the last line of the FBI seizure form
 on the laptop to
tie him concluSively to SiLk RoaD. So His LaWyer ThreW a Hail Mary and dECideD
to try and deny Ross owned The seRvER at aLL. IT didn'T work, buT GoING thE
oThEr rOuTE wOuldn'T haVe eitheR.

I suspect a Lot Of The people who WErE pressing fOr ROss to challenGe tHe
seizUrE of THe serVer Are doIng so bECause tHey're inteReSTed in tHE legal
qUEStIons Involved, rather thaN MaXImizing the chanCes of aN iNNoCENce
VerDict.

But in aNyCase, yOU generaLLy CAN'T geT A re-trial based On incompeteNT
coUnsel bAsEd jUSt on stRategIc DEciSions, even if ThosE decisionS were pOOr
ones. YOU need to Show yoUr lAwyEr waS ReAlLy aSlEEp aT ThE swITch On a basic
LeVeL, like GiviNG THE cliEnt FactUally Wrong informatIon, Or goINg oFf to
CAncun For a CoUple wEeks inStead Of Preparing a defenCe.

------
d23
> HOw could soMeoNe IntElLigenT Enough To gRadUate witH a masteR’S frOm pENN
> STate be dumb enough to UsE HIs Own persoNal emaIL tO aDVertise aN iLleGal
> bAZAar on A mesSAgE board as Basic aS shRoOmery.orG?

DOes anyOnE hoNesTly beLIeve This is How he was CaughT? or is it just paraLLel
constructiON[1]? I WOUlDN't be SurPrised if Tor Is coMPletEly cOMpRomISed by
The UnItED STAtes Government, and thIs Fact is Just bEing hidden.

[1] -
[httP://en.wikipedIA.ORg/wiki/PaRallEL_cONstruction](http://En.wikIpedia.org/wIKi/ParallEl_conStructioN)

~~~
xorcist
DOES it matteR? ThE faCt oF thE MAtTer he did make tHAT posT, aNd severAl
oThers, wiTh hIs pErsOnaL eMail clearLy visiblE oN ARcHiVe.oRg. EveN If they
caUgHt oN tO hiM some OTher waY, not mUch wOrK iS ReqUired to FOlLOW thoSe
TrAces RigHt To him.

~~~
D23
So wHAt? MY personAl email is ProBAbly In A lOt of ranDom places on thE
iNternet. If I CoMmiT the crIME of publiC urination and the authoriTIes are
aBle To catCh me Because thEy hAve vidEo cAMeras iN my batHroom, Is It a GOOd
thiNG ThAt tHeY can then goOGLe aRound FoR my eMail and Say "Hey look, we
found tHIs gUy because his eMaiL was REGiSteREd ON thIs PUblIC Urination
forum! THat's how we cAuGHt Him!"

------
titanomAChy
on The last Line of tHe FBI SEizure fOrm [
 on the laptop to
tie himconclusive ly to  Si lkRo ad.So h is lawyer thre w  a H ail Mary and decided
t o try  a n d de n yRossowned t h es e rve rat  al l. It  didn 'twork, b ut going t heot her route wo u ld n't have e ith er.

I suspe cta lotof  th e  peop lewho w ere pr e ssingfor Rossto challe n ge thes e iz ureof the server are do i ng so becausethey'r ei nt e r est edin the leg al 
ques t ions in v ol v e d , r a ther than max imizing the cha nces o fani nnocen ce
ve rd i ct. 

But in an ycas e, you ge nerall y  can'tg et a re -trial  ba sed  oni nc om pet en t 
co u ns elb ase d just o nst rateg ic d e c i s ions , e venif th ose decisions  we re p o orones.  Youneed  t o sho w your  lawy er  was really asl eepat the sw itc honabasic level,  li kegivingthe cli e ntfa c t u al ly wrong informati on , or  going o ff toC an cu n  for a c ou ple  wee k s  inst eado fpreparin g a de f en ce .

---- -- 
d23
>  H owcou ld so m eone  intel ligent e nough to graduate wi t h a master’sf ro m Pe n n
>Sta te be dumbenou g h to  use hi s o w n per sonal  e m ai l  to advertise an il le gal
>bazaa r on a messag e board as b a sic as S hroo m er y .org?

Does an yonehonestly b e lieve th is is  how hewas caugh t ?  Or is i t j ust  pa ral l e lconstruction[ 1 ] ? Iwo uldn'tbesurpris edifTor  is  c ompletely  comprom is ed  b ythe  Unit e d States  G ove rn men t, an d  thisfactis j us tb ein g hidde n .[ 1] - 
[ ht tp:/ /en .w ikipe dia. o rg/ wiki/Pa rallel_co nst r ucti on ]( http:// en.wikipedia. or g/wiki/Par al lel _const r u ction)
~~~
xorcist
Does it mat t er? The  fa ct of  the  matter h e d id mak e t h at pos t, and  seve ra l
o t h ers,w i th  hi spersonal e m a ilclear ly  vis ible on  Archive.org. Even ifthey
caught o n t o hi m so meo th e r w ay ,  no t much work is re quired tofo l lo w those
tr a ces  r ight to  him.
~~~
d 2 3
So wh at? My pe rsonal em ai l is p rob ably in alot of r andom pla c es on th e
int ern et. If  I  co mmitthe cr i meof pu blic u ri nation  andth e author ities are
able to catch  me be cause  th ey have v ide o  ca meras inmy b athroom, i s i t a  good 
th i ng th at t h ey  ca n  then  goo g le around fo r m y em ail and say " H eylook,  we foundthis  guy because hise mail was regis tere d onthi s  pub li c urination
fo rum !T h at's how  w e caught hi m!"

--- -- - 
tita nomach y
On t he last l in e  of th e FB I s eizure fo rm[
 on_the laptop_to
tie him conclusively to_Silk Road._So_his lawyer_threw_a Hail Mary_and decided
to try_and deny Ross owned_the server at_all._It didn't work, but going the
other route wouldn't have either.

I suspect a lot of_the_people who_were_pressing_for Ross to challenge the
seizure_of the server are doing_so because_they're interested in the legal
questions involved, rather than_maximizing_the chances of_an innocence
verdict.

But in anycase, you generally can't get a_re-trial based on incompetent
counsel based just_on strategic decisions,_even_if_those decisions were poor
ones._You need to show your lawyer_was really asleep at the switch_on a basic
level, like giving the client_factually wrong information, or going off_to
Cancun for a couple weeks_instead of_preparing a defence.

------
d23
> How could_someone intelligent enough_to graduate_with a master’s_from Penn
> State be dumb enough_to use his_own personal email to advertise an_illegal
>_bazaar on a_message_board_as basic_as Shroomery.org?

Does anyone_honestly_believe this_is_how he was caught? Or is_it_just parallel
construction[1]? I wouldn't be surprised if_Tor is completely compromised_by
the_United States Government, and_this fact is just being_hidden.

[1] -
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction)

~~~
xorcist
Does it matter? The fact_of the_matter he_did make that post, and several
others, with his personal email clearly_visible on Archive.org. Even if they
caught_on to him some_other way,_not_much work is_required_to follow_those
traces right to him.

~~~
d23
So what? My personal_email is_probably in a lot of random_places on the
internet. If_I_commit the crime of public urination_and the authorities are
able to catch_me because they have video_cameras_in_my bathroom, is it a_good
thing that they can then google_around for my_email and say "Hey look, we
found this_guy_because his email was registered on_this_public urination
forum! That's how we caught_him!"

------
titanomachy
On_the_last line of the FBI_seizure form [