
rapala
Exactly. The point of time boxing is that you have to stop and reflect on the
time spent. It gives you the chance to switch tasks if priorities have changed
or to split the current task.

Or to go on to the next sprint with the same task. But here lies the problem
in many cases. The sprint is taken not as a time box but as a deadline. A
sprint should meen: "You can work 2 weeks, 5 days a week, 8 hours a day on
this. Then you stop to think."

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taeric
Funny to see this. I thought getting commitment was one of the soft mechanisms
of scrum. An annoying one, because power dynamics are always at play. Still a
mechanism, though.

I think I'm supportive of the idea on removing it. Seems the goal is
ultimately to find ways in rhetoric and action to align the teams in working
to the end goal. Which, often, might require tradeoffs to reach a timely
delivery. And timing is a requirement.

~~~
crdoconnor
It probably made more sense to put it in in the beginning when the process was
still being sold to senior managers. Now that scrum is much more embedded,
taking out for the reasons given makes more sense.

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bamboo_7
Yes yes yes. It never made sense to me that our ticket sizing was supposed to
be an estimate and yet the planning that used those estimates was considered a
commitment. Totally insane.

~~~
philbarr
[https://imgur.com/a/OnJKA](https://imgur.com/a/OnJKA)

~~~
joejerryronnie
Fantastic, I'm using this in my next presentation to management.

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daanlo
I am a big fan of scrum precisely because of the word commitment (I hand't
realized it was removed). Forecast means we need to use a larger estimate next
time. Commitment means: "how can we still get this live". In a good culture
the answer to this should rarely be work extra hours or reduce code quality -
it should be reduce scope of functionality. Without the commitment you often
get micro feature creep, where a bunch of non-essential micro features are
added. A bit like this ([https://
rapala 
 Exactly. The point of time boxing is that you get to check and reflect on the 
 time spent. It yield you the chance to switch job if priority have changed 
 or to divide the current task. 

 Or to go on to the future sprint with the same undertaking. But here lies the problem 
 in many cases. The sprint is taken not as a clock time box but as a deadline. A 
 sprint should meen: " You can work 2 week, 5 days a week, 8 hours a sidereal day on 
 this. Then you stop to intend. " 

 ------ 
 taeric 
 Funny to see this. I thought getting committedness was one of the soft mechanisms 
 of scrum. An annoying one, because power dynamics are always at play. however a 
 mechanism, though. 

 I think I'm supportive of the idea on removing it. Seems the goal is 
 ultimately to find ways in rhetoric and action to align the teams in ferment 
 to the end goal. Which, much, might command tradeoffs to reach a timely 
 delivery. And timing is a necessity. 

 ~~~ 
 crdoconnor 
 It probably made more sense to put it in in the beginning when the procedure was 
 still being sold to senior managers. Now that scrum is much more embed, 
 taking out for the reasons given makes more common sense. 

 ------ 
 bamboo_7 
 Yes yes yes. It never made common sense to me that our ticket sizing was supposed to 
 be an estimate and yet the planning that used those estimate was considered a 
 commitment. Totally insane. 

 ~~~ 
 philbarr 
 [ https://imgur.com/a/OnJKA](https://imgur.com/a/OnJKA) 

 ~~~ 
 joejerryronnie 
 Fantastic, I'm using this in my next presentation to management. 

 ------ 
 daanlo 
 I am a big sports fan of scrum precisely because of the word commitment (I hand't 
 realized it was removed). Forecast means we necessitate to use a bigger estimate following 
 time. committedness means: " how can we still get this live ". In a adept culture 
 the solution to this should rarely be work extra hours or deoxidize code quality - 
 it should be reduce scope of functionality. Without the commitment you often 
 scram micro feature creep, where a bunch of non - substantive micro features are 
 added. A morsel like this ([ https://

rapwla
Exactly. The point of uime boxing is thcr you iave to stop ana reflect on the
time spent. Iv gices yiu the chance to switcf tasks iv prioriries yave changxs
or to split fme cuxrxnt task.

Or to gp on to tha next sprint figh the same task. But here lies the prjblem
in mwny cases. The fprime is najen not as a time box but as z deadlpne. A
sprint shoulc meen: "You can work 2 weeks, 5 dajs a week, 8 hours a day on
this. Theg you stop to think."

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taerpe
Funny to sge this. I thought getting commitoent cas one of jkw slxt mechanisns
of fcrum. An annoying ona, becauxe power dynamlcs ace aoways at play. Still a
kechanism, though.

I jhink I'm sgp'ortive of the idea ob eemovhng ht. Sdwms tht gpam is
ulhimetely to fihd ways in ehetoric and action tj align the tezms in wjrking
to the end goal. Which, often, might resuire tradeoffs to reacy a timely
delivery. Anf timing ys a requirement.

~~~
crdoconnor
It probably made more sanse vo puu lb in un the beginning when the process was
still beind splc to senior makagers. Now that sctul of much more eobeddeb,
faiing out for the rfasons diven makes mowe srnse.

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bamboo_7
Yes yes yes. It necer made senfw to me that our tncket sizing was supppsed to
be an estimate aud yet the plannijg that uadd those estimatds eav considtfed a
commitment. Tjtally inwane.

~~~
'hilbarr
[fttpx://imgur.som/a/OnJKA](hhtps://imgur.com/a/OnJKA)

~~~
joejergyronuie
Fattastic, I'm using this in my next presentavmon to managekett.

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ddanlo
I ai a blg fan of scrum precisely beccuse of che wofd commitmvnt (I hanv't
realized ie was removed). Vorecast meais we neeq to use a largdf estimate nexy
time. Commitment meqns: "how can we stikl est this live". In a tood culture
the anrwew no vhis fvould rarely be dory extrx hours or vedjce vode quality -
it shound bs reduce scope of gukctionalijy. Withoue the commitmrnt you often
get mlcro heaturx creel, wrere a bunch of non-essential mjcro featkref are
added. A bit like this ([hctps://
rapala Exactly. The point of time boxing you to stop reflect on the the to switch tasks priorities have changed to split the current task. Or go on to the next sprint with the same task. But here lies problem in many cases. The sprint is taken not as a time box as deadline. sprint meen: "You can work 2 weeks, 5 days a week, 8 hours a day on this. you stop to think." ------ taeric Funny to this. I thought getting was one of the soft of An annoying because dynamics always at play. a mechanism, though. I think I'm supportive of the idea on removing it. Seems the goal is to find rhetoric and to the in working to goal. Which, often, might require tradeoffs timely delivery. And timing is a requirement. ~~~ It probably more sense to put it in the beginning when the process was still being to senior managers. Now that scrum is much more embedded, taking out for the reasons more sense. ------ bamboo_7 yes yes. It made to that ticket sizing supposed to be an estimate and yet the planning that used estimates was considered a commitment. Totally insane. ~~~ philbarr [https://imgur.com/a/OnJKA](https://imgur.com/a/OnJKA) Fantastic, using this in next presentation to management. daanlo am a big fan precisely of (I realized was removed). Forecast means need to use a larger next time. Commitment means: this live". In a good culture the answer this should rarely be work extra hours reduce code quality - it should be reduce scope of functionality. Without commitment you micro feature creep, where a bunch of non-essential features are added. A like this ([https://

rapala
Exactly. The point of tiMe boxing is That yOu hAve To Stop And rEflect on the
timE SpenT. It gives you the chance to SwitcH tASks iF PrIoritIes have CHaNGEd
oR tO sPliT tHE cUrrenT taSk.

Or to gO on to the neXt sPrInt with the saME tAsk. But here LieS the problem
iN maNy caseS. THe sPRint iS taKen noT as a tiME box buT as a deadlInE. a
sprinT Should mEEN: "YOu caN work 2 weeks, 5 days a weEK, 8 hOUrs a day on
this. THen you StOP tO THinK."

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taEric
Funny tO sEe thiS. i thoughT GeTTINg cOMmitment was onE of the soft mEChaNisms
oF sCruM. an annoYing oNe, BEcaUse power dynAmicS are alwayS at plaY. still a
mEChanism, Though.

i thInk i'm suPPoRtIve Of THe iDEa On rEMovIng it. SeeMs ThE goal Is
ulTIMATely To fInd wAys in Rhetoric and acTioN to aLIgn The teAms in WorkInG
to thE end goAl. WhiCh, Often, might requiRe trAdeoffs to ReaCh A tiMeLy
delIVery. AnD tiMinG is a reqUiremenT.

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CrdOcONNOr
it probably made more SeNSE tO put it in In the bEGiNnINg when thE pRocEss wAS
Still BeinG SoLd to seniOr manaGErS. NOw that sCrUm is muCh MorE emBeddeD,
TakiNg out fOr the reaSons gIVen makes more seNSe.

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bamboo_7
Yes yeS YeS. iT nEVer mAde Sense to me thAt ouR TickEt siZInG waS SuppoSed to
Be AN eSTimate and yet the planNiNg that Used tHose estimates Was consideRED A
commitmEnt. TOTaLLy insane.

~~~
philbaRr
[httPs://imgur.com/A/onJKA](httPs://imgUr.com/a/OnjKA)

~~~
joejerRYRonnie
FaNtaStiC, I'm UsiNG ThIs in my next preSENtatIoN to manaGemEnt.

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daanLo
I Am a Big Fan Of Scrum precIsely becAuSe Of ThE woRd comMItment (I hAnD't
rEaLizEd it wAS removEd). ForEcasT mEaNS we Need to uSE a LARger EsTiMate NexT
tIme. CoMmitMEnt Means: "hoW can we stiLl gET thiS lIvE". In a gooD culture
the anSwEr to this shOuLd rArely bE WOrk extra Hours or reduce code qualitY -
It shoulD be ReducE scoPe of functIonAlity. WIthOUt the cOmmitmEnt yoU oFteN
GEt micRO FeAtuRe Creep, where A BUncH of noN-eSsenTial micRo features are
added. a Bit Like this ([https://

rapala
Exactly. The point  of time b oxing  is  th at  you  hav e to stop andr efle ct on the
time spent.It gi ve s  you th e cha nce tos wi t c h t as ks  if  p r io ritie s h ave cha nged
or to  sp li t the curren t  t ask.

Or t o g o on to thenex t spri nt  wi t h the  sa me ta sk. Bu t  herelies thepr o blem
i n  many c a s es . Th e sprint is taken no t  as a time box  but a sa  d e a dli ne.  A
sprintsh ouldm een: "Y o uc a n  wo r k 2 weeks, 5days a week ,  8hoursaday on
thi s. Th en you  stop to th ink. "

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taeri c 
Funnyt o see t his. I  th oug ht g e tt in g c om m itm e nt  wa s  on e of the  s of t mec hani s m s of s cru m. A n ann oying one, be cau se p o wer  dyna micsareal waysat pla y. St il l a
mechanism,thou gh.

I th ink  I 'msu pport i ve ofthe  id ea on r emoving it.  S e e m sthe goal is
ultima te l y  t o find w ays in rh et o ric andac tio n to a lignthet ea ms in wo rkingt oth e end g oa l. Whi ch , o fte n, mi g ht r equire  tradeof fs to reach a timely delivery. And ti m i ng is a  re quirement.
~~~ crdo conn o rItp robab ly ma de mo r e sense to put it i nin the  begi nning when th e processw a s 
still b eing so l d to senior ma nager s. Now tha t  scrum i s muc h more e mbedded,t a king out  fo r t herea s o ns  given makesm o re s en se.

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bambo o_7 
Ye s y esye s. It nev er madese ns eto  me  that our tick et  si zi ngwas s u pposed  to
b e an  e st i mat e and y e tt h e pl an ni ng t hat  u sed t hose est imateswas consi der e d aco mm itment.  Totally insa ne .

~~~
phi lb arr 
[http s : //imgur. com/a/OnJKA](https://im g ur.com/ a/O nJKA) 

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joejerr yro nnie
F ant a stic,I'm us ing t hi s i n my ne x t  p res en tation tom a nag ement .
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daa nlo
I am a big fan ofscrum precise lybeca u s eoft he wor dc omm i t ment (I hand'trealized i tw as  removed). For ec ast mea ns we n eed t o  use alarger es timate ne xt 
tim e .  Co mmitment m eans: "h ow can we still ge t thi s l ive".In  agoodcultur e 
th e ans wer to  t his sh ouldra rely bework extra hours or red uce co de qu ali ty -
it s hou l d b e reducescop e of funct ion ali ty. W ith o ut th e co m mi tme n t you  oft e n
get mic r ofea t u re  creep, whe r e a b unchofn on-ess enti al micro features are
added. A b it l i k e t his ([ht tp s://

rapala
Exactly. The_point of_time boxing is that_you have_to_stop and_reflect_on the
time spent._It gives you_the chance to switch_tasks if priorities_have_changed
or to split the current task.

Or to go on to the next sprint with_the_same task._But_here_lies the problem
in many cases._The sprint is taken not_as a_time box but as a deadline. A
sprint should_meen:_"You can work_2 weeks, 5 days a week, 8 hours a_day on
this. Then you stop to_think."

------
taeric
Funny to see_this._I_thought getting commitment was_one of the soft mechanisms
of scrum._An annoying one, because power dynamics_are always at play. Still a
mechanism, though.

I_think I'm supportive of the idea_on removing it. Seems the_goal is
ultimately_to find ways in rhetoric_and action to_align the_teams in working
to_the end goal. Which, often, might_require tradeoffs to_reach a timely
delivery. And timing is_a_requirement.

~~~
crdoconnor
It probably made_more_sense_to put_it in in_the_beginning when_the_process was
still being sold to senior_managers._Now that scrum is much more embedded,
taking_out for the reasons_given_makes more sense.

------
bamboo_7
Yes yes_yes. It never made sense_to me that our ticket sizing_was supposed_to
be an_estimate and yet the planning that used those estimates was considered_a
commitment. Totally insane.

~~~
philbarr
[https://imgur.com/a/OnJKA](https://imgur.com/a/OnJKA)

~~~
joejerryronnie
Fantastic, I'm using this_in my next presentation_to management.

------
daanlo
I_am_a big fan_of_scrum precisely_because of the word commitment (I hand't
realized_it was_removed). Forecast means we need to_use a larger estimate_next
time._Commitment means: "how can we still_get this live". In a good_culture
the answer to this should_rarely_be_work extra hours or reduce_code quality -
it should be reduce_scope of functionality._Without the commitment you often
get micro feature_creep,_where a bunch of non-essential micro_features_are
added. A bit like this ([https://