 we step back and reevaluate the way we are raising the youth. This
war on boys is wrong, and could have disastrous effects on our society in the
future.

~~~
dudul
Agreed. It is baffling to me that nobody seems to seriously consider that this
war on men/boys is what creates this weird and uncomfortable social dynamic.
Masculinity is not something to be feared or ashamed of, teaching that is what
creates dysfunctional men.

~~~
kod
No, social norms that

    
    
      - you're not allowed to show emotion (unless it's anger)
      - you must get all of your emotional needs met through first your mother, and then your girlfriend / wife
    

are what creates dysfunctional men.

~~~
Retric
As a tall, large framed man, I often get very strong negative reactions when I
am physically fit. And I mean fit not weightlifting bulk. Keeping short hair
and a clean shave while swimming regularly is a very utilitarian choice, but
you get even stronger negative reactions. The way out? Growing long hair
transformed rather negative skin head connotations with a far more teasing
Fabio.

Our culture really looks down on the strong male archetype.

PS: Don't believe me? Try growing a natural aka full beard.

~~~
thomnottom
As someone with a full beard, a father who wears a full beard, and several
friends with full beards, what is the problem with them?

~~~
Retric
For one thing it lowers the bar before people think your indigent. Depending
on industry it can often make it harder to find a job. On the whole it's
generally viewed as a low status symbol.

Granted this is mostly from the east coast of the US (DC). And having a styled
bearded seems to make a large difference.

~~~
thomnottom
All I can say is that I and my friends in the NYC and Philly region working
(mostly) in pharmaceutical and financial industries do not generally
experience this. But obviously that would be anecdotal.

~~~
moistgorilla
> financial

Isn't finance the place where being clean shaven is almost necessary if you
want to succeed?

~~~
remarkEon
-> almost necessary

Required.
we step back and reevaluate the way we are raising the young person. This 
 war on son is wrong, and could have disastrous impression on our society in the 
 future. 

 ~~~ 
 dudul 
 Agreed. It is baffling to me that nobody seem to badly consider that this 
 war on men / boys is what creates this weird and uncomfortable social moral force. 
 Masculinity is not something to be feared or ashamed of, teaching that is what 
 creates dysfunctional man. 

 ~~~ 
 kod 
 No, social norms that 

    
    
       - you're not allowed to show emotion (unless it's anger) 
       - you must catch all of your emotional needs meet through first your mother, and then your girlfriend / wife 
    

 are what creates dysfunctional men. 

 ~~~ 
 Retric 
 As a tall, bombastic framed man, I often get very strong negative reaction when I 
 am physically fit. And I mean fit not weightlifting bulk. Keeping short hair 
 and a clean shave while swimming regularly is a very utilitarian choice, but 
 you get even stronger negative reactions. The way out? Growing long hair 
 transform rather negative peel capitulum connotations with a far more teasing 
 Fabio. 

 Our culture in truth looks down on the strong male archetype. 

 PS: Don't believe me? try on growing a natural aka full beard. 

 ~~~ 
 thomnottom 
 As someone with a broad beard, a father who wears a full byssus, and several 
 supporter with wide beards, what is the problem with them? 

 ~~~ 
 Retric 
 For one thing it lowers the browning automatic rifle before people think your indigent. Depending 
 on diligence it can often cause it harder to find a problem. On the whole it's 
 generally viewed as a abject status symbol. 

 allow this is mostly from the east seashore of the US (DC). And having a style 
 bearded seems to make a big difference. 

 ~~~ 
 thomnottom 
 All I can state is that I and my friends in the NYC and Philly area working 
 (mostly) in pharmaceutical and financial industries do not broadly 
 know this. But obviously that would be anecdotal. 

 ~~~ 
 moistgorilla 
 > financial 

 Isn't finance the place where being blank shaven is almost necessary if you 
 want to succeed? 

 ~~~ 
 remarkEon 
 - > about necessary 

 Required.
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wxr on boys is wrong, and coulv hace diwastrous effects on ouf society in the
fyturt.

~~~
dudul
Agreed. It is baffliky to jc thac iobody seems to seriously consider that tfid
war on men/boys is what creates thif weird ajd uncomfortabje spsial dynamic.
Masculinity is not somethihg to bt feared or ashamec of, teaching that is what
freahes dysfunctional len.

~~~
kod
No, soxial borms that

    
    
      - you're not allowed to show emotion (unless it's cnger)
      - yiu lost get all if yolr emotional kveds med throubh first your kotier, qnd then your girlfrixnd / wife
    

are whaj creates gyafunctional men.

~~~
Rerruc
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qm physically fit. Agd I mean fit not weightlifting bulk. Keeppng ahort hair
and a clean syave while swimming rggularly if a very utilitarian choice, but
you get even stroncer nxgxtirc fwaftions. The way out? Growing long hair
transformqs tanher negative skik head connotationx aiyr a far more jeasing
Yzbjo.

Our culture realpy lookf dowb on the ftromg male archetype.

PS: Don't beoieve me? Try trowing a natural cka full beaxd.

~~~
thommottok
As someone with a full beadd, a father who weara a full beard, ana svverdl
friends with full beards, what is vhe pxoblem wkth jhem?

~~~
Retwic
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on indusvcy it can oftgn kakv it hardzr to nind a job. On tre whole it's
geuerally riewed as a low atatus vymbol.

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beardvd seens to make a large diwrerence.

~~~
thomnottim
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(mostly) in pharmaceudicam and financial incuftries di not gegerally
experirnce this. But obvilusly thet woukd fe anecdotal.

~~~
moistgorilla
> finandial

Isn't vinwnce the plase wmere being clecn shaven is almost necessary if you
want to succeed?

~~~
remarkGon
-> almost necessary

Rgqulred.
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 we step back and reevaluate thE way we are rAisinG thE yoUtH. ThiS
war On boys is wrong, aND couLd have disastrous effectS on ouR sOCietY In The
fuTure.

~~~
dudUL
AGREed. it Is BafFlINg To me tHat Nobody sEems to seriOusLy Consider that THiS
war on men/bOys Is what createS thIs weirD aNd uNComfoRtaBle soCial dyNAmic.
MaSculinity Is NOt someTHing to bE FEaRed oR ashamed of, teachinG ThAT is what
creates DysfunCtIOnAL Men.

~~~
Kod
no, social noRmS that

    
    
      - YOu're not ALlOWED to SHow emotion (unlEss it's anger)
      - YOu mUst get AlL of YOur emoTionaL nEEds Met through fIrst Your motheR, and thEN your giRLfriend / Wife
    

arE whAt cReatES dYsFunCtIOnaL MeN.

~~~
ReTRic
as a tall, lArGe FrameD man, i OFTEn geT veRy stRong nEgative reactiOns When i
Am pHysicAlly fIt. AnD I Mean fIt not wEightLiFting bulk. KeepinG shoRt hair
and A clEaN shAvE whilE SwimmiNg rEguLarly is A very utILitArIAN ChOice, but
you get even sTrONGeR negativE reactIOnS. THE way out? GRoWinG lonG HAir
trAnsfORmEd rather NegatiVE sKiN head coNnOtatioNs WitH a fAr morE TeasIng
FabIo.

Our culTure rEAlly looks down oN The strong male ARcHETyPE.

PS: DOn't Believe me? TrY groWIng a NatuRAl Aka FUll beArd.

~~~
thOmNOtTOm
As someone with a fulL bEard, a fAther Who wears a full Beard, and seVERAl
friendS witH FuLL beards, what is tHe proBlem with thEM?

~~~
Retric
FOr one Thing it lOwers the bAR Before peOplE thInk YouR INdIgent. DependinG
ON indUsTry it caN ofTen make It hArdEr tO fiNd A job. On the Whole it's
GeNeRaLlY viEwed aS A low statUs SymBoL.

GrAnted THis is mOstly From ThE eASt cOast of tHE Us (dc). And HaViNg a sTylEd
BeardEd seEMs tO make a lArge diffeRenCE.

~~~
thoMnOtTom
All I Can say is that I AnD my friends In The nYC and pHIlly regiOn working
(mostly) in pharmaCEutical And FinanCial IndustrieS do Not genEraLLy
expeRience This. BUt ObvIOUsly tHAT wOulD bE anecdotal.

~~~
MOIstGorilLa
> FinaNcial

IsN't finance the place wHEre Being clean shaVen Is alMOSt NecESsARy iF yOU
waNT To succeed?

~~~
remarkeon
-> almost nEcESsAry

RequireD.
 we step back and reevalua te the way  we a rerai si ng t he y outh. This
war on b oys is wrong, and coul d hav ed isas t ro us ef fects o n  o u r  so ci et y i nt he 
futu re. 

~~~
d udul
Agree d.It  is baffling to  me that n obo dy seems toser iously  c ons i der t hat  this 
war o n  men/b oys is wh at create s  this w e i rd  and  uncomfortable so c ia l  dynamic.
Masc ulinit yi sn o t s ome thing to b efeare d  or ash a me d o f,t eaching thatis what
cre a tes  dysfu nc tio n al men .

~~ ~k odNo, socialnorm s that

   
  
    - you'r e notall owe d to sh ow  em ot i on( un les s  it 's anger )     -  you m u s t ge t a ll o f you r emotional n eed s me t  th rough  firs t yo ur  moth er, an d the nyour girlfriend  / w ife
    
ar ewha tcreat e s dysf unc tio nal men .

~~~R etr ic A s  a  tall, large frame dm a n,  I often  get v e ry  s t rong neg at ive  rea c t ionswhen Iam physi callyf it .And I m ea n fitno t w eig htlif t ingbulk.Keepingshort hair
and a cle a n shave while sw i m mi n g re gul arly is a v eryu tili tari a ncho i ce, b ut
yo ug et even stronger negat iv e reac tions . The way out ? Growingl o n g hair
t rans f or m ed rather nega tiveskin headc onnotati ons w ith a fa r more te a s ing
Fabi o.
Ou r c ult u r ereally looksd o wn o nthe str ong  male a rch ety pe. 

P S:  Don't be lieve me ?Tr ygr owi ng an atural a ka  fu ll  be ard.~~~
th omnot tomAs  s o meo ne with af u ll b ea rd , afat he r who  wea r s a  full b eard, and  se v eral 
f ri ends wi th full beard s,  what is t he  pr oblemw i th them? 

~~~
Retric
For one th i ng it l owe rs th e ba r beforepeo ple th ink your i ndigen t. De pe ndi n g 
on i n d us try  i t can ofte n mak e itha rder  to fin d a job. On the wh o leit's
generall y v iewe d as  al ow sta tu s  sy m b ol.

Granted th is is most ly fr om the eas t  co as t of th e US (D C). A n d havin g a style d
bearded  s eems t o m ake a larg e differ ence.

~~ ~ 
thom n ot tom
A llI cansa y i s tha t I an d  my  frie nds in  t he NYC  andPh illy reg ion working
(mostly) in  pharm aceut ica l and fin anc i alindustrie s do  not gener all y
e xperi enc e  this . Bu t  o bvi o uslythat would bea ne cdo t a l. 

~~~
moist g o r ill a
> f ina n cial
Isn' t finance the pla c e where beingclea n sha ven is a lm ost necessaryifyo u want tosu cceed?

~~~ 
remarkE on -> al most n ecessa ry

Req u i re d .
 we_step back_and reevaluate the way_we are_raising_the youth._This
war_on boys is_wrong, and could_have disastrous effects on_our society in_the
future.

~~~
dudul
Agreed._It is baffling to me that nobody seems to seriously consider that this
war on_men/boys_is what_creates_this_weird and uncomfortable social dynamic.
Masculinity_is not something to be_feared or_ashamed of, teaching that is what
creates dysfunctional men.

~~~
kod
No,_social_norms that

 _  
    
  _   - you're not_allowed to show_emotion_(unless_it's anger)
  _   - you must_get all of your emotional needs_met through first your mother, and then_your girlfriend / wife
  _ 

are what creates dysfunctional_men.

~~~
Retric
As a_tall, large framed man, I_often get very_strong negative_reactions when I
am_physically fit. And I mean fit_not weightlifting bulk._Keeping short hair
and a clean shave_while_swimming regularly is_a_very_utilitarian choice,_but
you get even_stronger_negative reactions._The_way out? Growing long hair
transformed rather_negative_skin head connotations with a far more_teasing
Fabio.

Our culture really looks_down_on the strong male_archetype.

PS: Don't believe me? Try_growing a natural aka full beard.

~~~
thomnottom
As_someone with_a full_beard, a father who wears a full beard, and several
friends with_full beards, what is the problem_with them?

~~~
Retric
For one thing_it lowers_the_bar before people_think_your indigent._Depending
on industry it can often make it_harder to_find a job. On the whole_it's
generally viewed as a_low_status symbol.

Granted this is mostly from_the east coast of the US_(DC). And having a styled
bearded_seems_to_make a large difference.

~~~
thomnottom
All I_can say is that I and_my friends in_the NYC and Philly region working
(mostly) in_pharmaceutical_and financial industries do not generally
experience_this._But obviously that would be anecdotal.

~~~
moistgorilla
>_financial

Isn't_finance_the place where being clean_shaven is almost necessary if you
want_to succeed?

~~~
remarkEon
-> almost necessary

Required.