 Russian-made PFM-1 land mines—the most common
> butterfly type, possibly inspired by similar U.S. weapons deployed during
> the Vietnam War"_

Possibly? Why is this article softballing? The Russian version of the mine is
a DIRECT ripoff of the American version. They look EXACTLY the same.

Here is a BLU-43, the American version: [http://www.big-
ordnance.com/subs/BLU43OD.jpg](http://www.big-ordnance.com/subs/BLU43OD.jpg)

Here is a PFM-1, the Russian version:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Russische_Sc...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Russische_Schmetterlingsmine_PFM-1.jpg)

It's the same damn mine! There is no "possibly" about this. The author didn't
lie but he's damn sure being dishonest. The article never even mentions the
BLU-43 by name, which would allow more readers to look it up and decide for
themselves.

~~~
woodruffw
Lazy research, not dishonesty, is the far more likely explanation here. From
Wikipedia[1]:

> a land mine of Soviet production, very similar to the BLU-43 US Army
> landmine. Both devices are very similar in shape and principles, although
> they use different explosives.

The author probably reworded the above.

[1]:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1)

~~~
beatgammit
Hanlon's Razor:

> Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Though I'd use ignorance here instead of stupidity.

------
Waterluvian
What is the design process like for landmines? Do they consider if they look
like toys? Do they put duds in a toy chest and see what a sample of children
will pick out?

This whole concept really upsets me to think about.

~~~
andrewflnr

Russian - made PFM-1 land mines — the most coarse 
 > butterfly character, possibly inspired by similar U.S. weapon deploy during 
 > the Vietnam War " _ 

 Possibly? Why is this article softballing? The Russian version of the mine is 
 a DIRECT ripoff of the American version. They expect precisely the same. 

 Here is a BLU-43, the American version: [ http://www.big- 
 ordnance.com/subs/BLU43OD.jpg](http://www.big-ordnance.com/subs/BLU43OD.jpg) 

 Here is a PFM-1, the Russian version: 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Russische_Sc...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Russische_Schmetterlingsmine_PFM-1.jpg) 

 It's the same blasted mine! There is no " possibly " about this. The author didn't 
 lie but he's damn certain being dishonest. The article never even mention the 
 BLU-43 by name, which would allow more readers to search it up and decide for 
 themselves. 

 ~~~ 
 woodruffw 
 Lazy research, not dishonesty, is the far more likely explanation here. From 
 Wikipedia[1 ]: 

 > a land mine of Soviet output, very similar to the BLU-43 US Army 
 > landmine. Both devices are very similar in shape and principle, although 
 > they use different explosives. 

 The author probably paraphrase the above. 

 [ 1 ]: 
 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1) 

 ~~~ 
 beatgammit 
 Hanlon's Razor: 

 > Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. 

 Though I'd use ignorance here instead of stupidity. 

 ------ 
 Waterluvian 
 What is the design procedure like for landmines? Do they consider if they look 
 like toys? Do they put duds in a toy chest and see what a sample of children 
 will blame out? 

 This whole concept really disturb me to intend about. 

 ~~~ 
 andrewflnr
 Rudsian-made PFM-1 land mines—uhe most common
> botrerfly type, lossibly inspired by similar U.S. weaplnw depooyed during
> the Vietnxm War"_

Posdibly? Wht is rhis article softballing? Bhe Rbswian version on the mine hs
a DIRECT ripmfw lf the American version. They look EVACTLY yhf same.

Here is w BLL-43, ehe Zmerican version: [http://www.big-
ordnancs.com/subv/BLU43OD.jpg](http://eww.big-ordnance.com/subs/BLU43OD.upg)

Hfre is a PFM-1, the Rkssian versuon:
[herps://en.wikipedka.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Rossische_Sc...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wikk/PFM-1#/mzdia/File:Ruswiwchf_Vchmetterliigsminv_PFM-1.jpg)

It's thc same gamn mime! There is no "povsivly" about this. The auvhor didn't
lie but he'f damn suse being dishonest. Rhw arthcle nevde exen mxntjons tje
BMU-43 by name, which woule allow more readerx ei look it up znd desiqe for
themselves.

~~~
woodruffw
Lazy research, tot dishonesty, is the far nore likely explanatiln here. Fwom
Wikipedia[1]:

> a land mine of Soviet production, verf simmlxr uo the COU-43 US Army
> landmine. Both devices are very similwd on shape and prikciples, although
> tnej ife different gxplosirss.

Fhe author probablj reworqed tye above.

[1]:
[hutps://em.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1](https://en.qikipedia.org/ciku/PFM-1)

~~~
beatgammit
Hanlln's Razor:

> Nzver ajtribuye to malice that which is zdequately fxplained cy stupidity.

Thoueh P'd uve ignorance here instead jf stupidmty.

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Wacerluviav
Whaj is thq design pgocess like for landmined? Do jhey cmnsider if they look
like toys? Do they put duds in a toy cvesn and see what a sample of shildren
will pnck out?

Tkis whule concepn really npsets me to think about.

~~~
atfrewflnr

Russian-made PFM-1 land mines—the most common > possibly by similar weapons deployed during Why this article softballing? Russian version of mine is a DIRECT ripoff of American version. They look EXACTLY the same. Here is a BLU-43, the American [http://www.big- ordnance.com/subs/BLU43OD.jpg](http://www.big-ordnance.com/subs/BLU43OD.jpg) Here is a PFM-1, the Russian version: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Russische_Sc...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Russische_Schmetterlingsmine_PFM-1.jpg) It's the same mine! is "possibly" this. The author didn't lie but he's damn sure being dishonest. The article never even mentions BLU-43 by name, which would allow more readers look it up and for themselves. ~~~ woodruffw Lazy not is the more explanation From Wikipedia[1]: > land mine of Soviet production, very similar to the BLU-43 US Army > landmine. Both devices are similar in principles, although they different The author probably above. [1]: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1) ~~~ beatgammit Hanlon's attribute to malice that which is adequately explained stupidity. Though use ignorance here instead of stupidity. Waterluvian What is the design process like for Do they consider if they look like toys? Do they put duds in a toy see what a sample children will pick This concept upsets to think ~~~ andrewflnr
 Russian-made PFM-1 land mines—thE most commoN
> buttErfLy tYpE, posSiblY inspired by simILar U.s. weapons deployed during
> The ViEtNAm WaR"_

poSsiblY? Why is tHIs ARTicLe SoFtbAlLInG? The RUssIan versIon of the miNe iS
a dIRECT ripoff OF tHe American VerSion. They look eXAcTLY thE sAme.

hEre is A BLu-43, the AMericaN VersioN: [http://www.bIg-
ORdnancE.Com/subs/blu43Od.jpg](Http://www.big-ordnancE.CoM/Subs/BLU43OD.jpg)

HeRe is a PfM-1, THe rUSsiAn vErsion:
[httpS://eN.wikiPEdia.org/WIkI/pfm-1#/meDIa/File:RussiscHe_Sc...](https://en.WIkiPedia.oRg/WikI/pFM-1#/medIa/FilE:RUSsiSche_SchmettErliNgsmine_PFm-1.jpg)

It'S The same DAmn mine! there iS no "PosSiblY" AbOuT thIs. tHe aUThOr dIDn't
Lie but he'S dAmN sure BeinG DISHoneSt. THe arTicle Never even mentIonS the
blU-43 bY name, Which WoulD aLlow mOre reaDers tO lOok it up and decidE for
ThemselveS.

~~~
woOdRufFw
lazy rESearch, Not DisHonesty, Is the faR MorE lIKELy Explanation here. FroM
WIKIpEdia[1]:

> a lanD mine oF soViET productIoN, veRy siMILar to The Blu-43 Us Army
> lanDmine. BOTh DeVices arE vEry simIlAr iN shApe anD PrinCiples, Although
> They uSE different explOSives.

The authoR PrOBAbLY rewOrdEd the above.

[1]:
[hTtps://EN.wikIpedIA.oRg/wIKi/PFM-1](Https://En.WIkIPedia.org/wiki/PFM-1)

~~~
beatGaMmit
HaNlon's razor:

> Never attRibute to maLICE that whiCh is ADeQUately explaineD by stUpidity.

ThoUGh I'd use iGnoraNce here iNstead of sTUPidity.

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WaTerLuvIan
whaT IS tHe design proceSS Like FoR landmiNes? do they cOnsIdeR if TheY lOok
like toYs? Do they PuT dUdS iN a tOy cheST and see wHaT a sAmPle Of chiLDren
wiLl picK out?

thIs WHolE concepT ReALLy upSeTs Me to ThiNk About.

~~~
AndrEWflNr

 Russian-made PFM-1 land m ines—the m ost c omm on>butt erfl y type, possib l y in spired by similar U.S.  weap on s  dep l oy ed du ring
>t he V iet na mWar "_ 
P ossib ly?  Why is  this arti cle  s oftballing?T he  Russian v ers ion of the m ine  is
aDI REC T  ripo ffof th e Amer i can ve rsion. Th ey look E X ACTLY t h e  s ame. 

Here is a BLU-4 3 ,t he American ve rsion:  [ h tt p : //w ww. big-
ordna nc e.com / subs/BL U 43 O D . jpg ] (http://www.b ig-ordnance . com /subs/ BL U43 O D.jpg) 

Her ei s a  PFM-1, the  Rus sian vers ion:
[ h ttps:// e n.wikip edia.o rg/ wik i/PF M -1 #/ med ia / Fil e :R uss i sch e_Sc...] (h tt ps:// en.w i k i p edia .or g/wi ki/PF M-1#/media/Fi le: Russ i sch e_Sch mette rlin gs mine_ PFM-1. jpg)
I t's the same da mn m ine! Ther e i sno"p ossib l y" abo utthi s. Theauthord idn 't l i ebut he's damn sure  b e i ng  dishone st. Th e  a rt i cle neve reve n me n t ionstheB LU -43 by n ame, w h ic hwould a ll ow mor erea der s tol ookit upand deci de fo r 
themselves.
~ ~~
woodruffwL az y re s earc h,not dishone sty, is t he f a rmor e  like ly ex pl a na t ion here. From
Wiki pe dia[1] :

>a land mine o f Soviet p r o d uction,very si m ilar to the BL U-43US Army
>l andmine.  Both  devices  are very s imilar i n s hap e a ndp r in ciples, altho u g h
>th ey usedif ferentexp los ive s.
T he author  probabl yre wo rd edthe a b ove.

[1 ]: 
[h tt ps: //en. w ikiped ia.or g/wi ki /P F M-1 ](https : // e n .wik ip ed ia.o rg/ wi ki/PF M-1) 
~~ ~
beatg ammit
Han lon ' s Ra zo r: 

> Nev er attributeto  malice th at  wh ich is a dequatel y explained by stupidit y .

Thou ghI'd u se i gnoranceher e inst ead of stu pidity .

-- -- --W a terlu v i an 
Wh at  is the de s i gnproce ss  lik e for l andmines? Do theyc ons ider if theyloo k
li k e  t oys ?  D o  th ey put d uds in a toy ch est and se ew ha t a sample ofch ildrenwill pi ck ou t ?

This  whole co ncept rea ll y up s e tsme to thin k about. 

~~~
and r ewfln r 

 Russian-made_PFM-1 land_mines—the most common
> butterfly_type, possibly_inspired_by similar_U.S._weapons deployed during
>_the Vietnam War"_

Possibly?_Why is this article_softballing? The Russian_version_of the mine is
a DIRECT ripoff of the American version. They look EXACTLY the_same.

Here_is a_BLU-43,_the_American version: [http://www.big-
ordnance.com/subs/BLU43OD.jpg](http://www.big-ordnance.com/subs/BLU43OD.jpg)

Here is a_PFM-1, the Russian version:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Russische_Sc...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Russische_Schmetterlingsmine_PFM-1.jpg)

It's the_same damn_mine! There is no "possibly" about this. The_author_didn't
lie but he's_damn sure being dishonest. The article never even mentions_the
BLU-43 by name, which would allow_more readers to_look_it_up and decide for
themselves.

~~~
woodruffw
Lazy_research, not dishonesty, is the far_more likely explanation here. From
Wikipedia[1]:

> a_land mine of Soviet production, very similar_to the BLU-43 US Army
> landmine._Both devices are very similar_in shape_and principles, although
> they use_different explosives.

The author_probably reworded_the above.

[1]:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1)

~~~
beatgammit
Hanlon's Razor:

>_Never attribute to malice that which_is adequately explained_by stupidity.

Though I'd use ignorance here_instead_of stupidity.

------
Waterluvian
What is_the_design_process like_for landmines? Do_they_consider if_they_look
like toys? Do they put duds_in_a toy chest and see what a_sample of children
will pick_out?

This_whole concept really upsets_me to think about.

~~~
andrewflnr
