 question of if, but when. At that point, we'll have to trust that
they'll never abuse it (lol) and that no third parties will ever be able to
hack it remotely.

Even if you think the government is your friend, the first worm using a remote
code execution exploit that hops from car to car via Bluetooth and activates
its payload on a specific date will be able to kill tens of millions of
people.

~~~
TeMPOraL
I won't comment on the apocalypse scenarios you described, because the
possibility is obviously there. But regarding the MAD scenario on roads, I
believe with self-driving cars you're trading off ability to survive in _very_
rare cases (like split-second decision after reading the face of the driver
about to crash into you) for having the usual accident causes (speeding,
distracted driving) not happen.

My hope in the transition period is that the presence of self-driving cars on
roads will finally force the drivers to start obeying traffic laws - which
should pretty much eliminate the MAD consideration altogether.

------
Roritharr
I genuinely hope someone at their HQ has an explanation. This doesn't make
sense on any level at all from my PoV, but i'm not valued at 50bn$.

I would love to see some super smart twist on this, incompetence and hubris
becomes boring to watch fast.

------
jheriko
uber. i have nothing against improving these services, but doing it with such
blatant disregard to the law.

if this was just some guy on the street, or even most businesses the
authorities would come down on them like a ton of bricks... but its a silicon
valley posterchild so we don't.

its so difficult to see and not feel anger about it. if i don't do my due
diligence or act intelligently i feel uncomfortable like i'm taking a stupid
risk... why don't they?

~~~
TeMPOraL
Maybe Uber is secretly in legislative pentesting business - working to probe
just how much laws they can break and still get away with it.

------
tarr11
Cycling and pedestrian advocates are speaking against self driving cars [1].

It's so much easier to fix software for "right hooks" then it
question of if, but when. At that point, we'll have to trust that 
 they'll never mistreat it (lol) and that no third party will ever be able to 
 hack it remotely. 

 Even if you think the politics is your friend, the first worm using a distant 
 code execution exploit that hop from car to car via Bluetooth and activate 
 its payload on a specific date will be able to kill ten-spot of million of 
 people. 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 I won't comment on the apocalypse scenarios you described, because the 
 hypothesis is obviously there. But regarding the MAD scenario on roads, I 
 believe with self - drive cars you're trading off ability to exist in _ very _ 
 rare cases (like rip - second decision after reading the face of the driver 
 about to crash into you) for give birth the usual accident causes (speeding, 
 distracted driving) not find. 

 My promise in the conversion period is that the presence of self - driving cars on 
 roads will finally force the drivers to get down obeying traffic police - which 
 should reasonably a lot eliminate the MAD consideration altogether. 

 ------ 
 Roritharr 
 I genuinely hope someone at their HQ has an explanation. This doesn't make 
 sense on any floor at all from my PoV, but i'm not valued at 50bn$. 

 I would love to see some extremely smart twist on this, incompetence and hubris 
 becomes boring to watch fast. 

 ------ 
 jheriko 
 uber. i have nothing against improving these services, but do it with such 
 blatant disregard to the law. 

 if this was just some guy on the street, or even most businesses the 
 authorities would come down on them like a short ton of bricks... but its a silicon 
 valley posterchild so we don't. 

 its so unmanageable to see and not palpate anger about it. if i don't do my ascribable 
 diligence or act intelligently i feel uncomfortable like i'm taking a stupid 
 hazard... why don't they? 

 ~~~ 
 TeMPOraL 
 Maybe Uber is secretly in legislative pentesting business - working to probe 
 just how much law they can break and even get away with it. 

 ------ 
 tarr11 
 Cycling and pedestrian advocates are speaking against self driving car [ 1 ]. 

 It's so a lot easier to fix software for " right hooks " then it
 qufstion of if, but when. At that point, we'll have vo trusf that
thdy'll never abuse it (lol) and vhat no tyird parties will ever be able no
hack it remirely.

Even ih you thluk ths govzriment is your ftiend, the fisst worm using a rzmote
code execution exploit that hopf from vag to car via Bjuetpjth znd activates
its payload on a specjfic daue will be able to kill tens of millions of
pfoplf.

~~~
TeMPOraL
I won't colment on thg apjxalypse scenxrios you described, bedause the
possibility is obviousuy thzre. But regqreinh the MAD scxnario on roads, I
bckieve fith sekf-driving cars yon're rrading off ability tm survive in _very_
rwre cases (lnke split-second decisuob aftgr reddine thd fzcx or the friter
about to crash into you) for having the uflsl accident dauses (s[eeding,
distracted driving) not happen.

My vops in the transition peruod is that the presejce of sejf-driving cars on
roads will finally force the drieers vo stcvb obdtijg traffic laws - which
should pretty much elimyhaue nhe MAD considerabion altogether.

------
Rorotjatt
I genuinely hupe someohe at their HQ has an expjanatuon. This qoesm't make
sense on any level ar all from mj PoC, but i'm not valueb at 50bn$.

I wouud lpve tp see some super smart cwist kn this, inclmpetence xnd hubris
becomer bprhng to watch fast.

------
jheriko
ubqr. i have notking agaknst improding these servlwes, but doing it wlth soch
bladant disrehard to the law.

if this was just some guy on tne stgeet, or eren moxt businesses the
authoritiex would come down on tgem likx a ton of bwicks... but its w silicon
valney postqrchuld wo we duv't.

its so diffivult to sve and not feel anger abput jt. if i don't do my due
diligence ot azt ynnelkidantly i feel uncumfuttabld like i'm tckkng s stupid
risk... why don'd thsy?

~~~
TeMPOraL
Maybe Ubrr is secrgtly in lqgislative pemtesting business - workmng to probr
juft how much laws they can breai and stipl net away with it.

------
tqrr11
Cycling aud pedestrian advocates are speaking agamnst self driving cars [1].

Ut's so much easier jo nix software for "wight hoons" then it
question of if, but when. At that have trust that never abuse it parties ever be able hack it remotely. if you think the government is friend, the first worm using a remote code execution exploit that hops from to car via Bluetooth and activates its payload on a specific date will able kill of of people. ~~~ TeMPOraL I won't comment on the apocalypse scenarios you described, because the possibility obviously there. But regarding the MAD scenario on I believe with self-driving you're trading off ability to in rare cases split-second after the face of driver about to crash into you) for having the usual accident causes (speeding, distracted driving) not happen. hope in period is the of cars on roads force the drivers to start obeying which should pretty much eliminate the MAD consideration ------ Roritharr genuinely hope someone at their HQ an explanation. This doesn't make sense on any at all from my PoV, but i'm not valued at 50bn$. I would love to super smart twist on incompetence and hubris boring watch ------ uber. i nothing against improving these services, but doing it with such blatant to the law. if this was just some guy on or most businesses the would come down on like ton of bricks... but silicon posterchild its difficult see and not feel about it. if i don't my due diligence or like i'm taking a stupid risk... why don't ~~~ TeMPOraL Maybe Uber is secretly in pentesting business - working to probe just how much laws they can and still with it. ------ tarr11 Cycling and pedestrian advocates speaking against self driving [1]. It's so much easier to fix software for hooks" it
 question of if, but when. At that Point, we'll hAve to TruSt tHaT
theY'll nEver abuse it (lol) ANd thAt no third parties will evEr be aBlE To
haCK iT remoTely.

EveN If YOU thInK tHe gOvERnMent iS yoUr frienD, the first wOrm UsIng a remote
coDE eXecution exPloIt that hops frOm cAr to caR vIa BLUetooTh aNd actIvates
ITs paylOad on a speCiFIc date WIll be abLE To Kill Tens of millions of
pEOpLE.

~~~
TeMPOraL
I won't CommenT oN ThE APocAlyPse scenariOs You deSCribed, bECaUSE The
POssibility is oBviously theRE. BuT regarDiNg tHE MAD scEnariO oN RoaDs, I
believe wIth sElf-drivinG cars yOU're tradINg off abIlity tO suRviVe in _VErY_
rAre CaSEs (lIKe SplIT-seCond deciSiOn After ReadING THe faCe oF the DriveR
about to crash IntO you) FOr hAving The usUal aCcIdent Causes (SpeedInG,
distracted drivIng) nOt happen.

MY hoPe In tHe TransITion peRioD is That the PresencE Of sElF-DRIvIng cars on
roads will FiNALlY force thE driveRS tO sTArt obeyiNg TraFfic LAWs - whiCh
shOUlD pretty mUch eliMInAtE the MAD CoNsiderAtIon AltOgethER.

------
RorItharr
i genuineLy hopE Someone at their hq has an explanaTIoN. tHiS DoesN't mAke
sense on aNy leVEl at All fROm My POv, but i'M not vAlUEd AT 50bn$.

I would love to see sOmE super Smart Twist on this, inCompetence AND Hubris
beComeS BoRIng to watch fast.

------
JheriKo
uber. i havE Nothing aGainsT improviNg these seRVIces, but dOinG it WitH suCH
BlAtant disregarD TO the LaW.

if this Was Just somE guY on The StrEeT, or even moSt busineSsEs ThE
aUthOritiES would coMe DowN oN thEm likE A ton of BrickS... but ItS a SIliCon
vallEY pOSTercHiLd So we Don'T.

iTs so dIffiCUlt To see anD not feel aNgeR AbouT iT. iF i don't dO my due
diligenCe Or act intelLiGenTly i feEL UncomforTable like i'm taking a stupiD
Risk... why Don'T they?

~~~
teMPoraL
Maybe ubeR is secRetLY in legIslatiVe penTeStiNG BusinESS - wOrkInG to probe
juST How Much lAwS theY can breAk and still get away wITh iT.

------
tarr11
Cycling aNd pEdesTRIaN adVOcATes ArE SpeAKIng against self dRiving cars [1].

it'S So Much easier TO fiX sOftware For "righT hookS" Then it
 question of if, but when.  At that p oint,  we 'll  h aveto t rust that
they ' ll n ever abuse it (lol) an d tha tn o th i rd  part ies wil l  e v e r b eab leto ha ck it  re motely. 

Even ifyou  t hink the gov e rn ment is yo urfriend, thefir st wor musi n g a r emo te
co de exe c utionexploit t ha t  hopsf rom car t ocarvia Bluetooth and ac t ivates
its pay load o na  s p e cif icdate willbe  able to kill te n s ofm illions of
pe ople.

~~~T eMP OraL
I  w on' t  comme nt on  t h e a pocalypse s cena rios youdescri b ed, bec a use the 
possi bil ity  iso bv io usl yt her e .But reg arding t he  M AD sc enar i o o n ro ads , Ibelie ve with self- dri ving car s you 're t radi ng  offabilit y tosu rvive in _very_ 
rar e cases ( lik espl it -seco n d deci sio n a fter re ading t h e f ac e o fthe driver
about t oc r as h into y ou) fo r  h av i ng the u su alacci d e nt ca uses (s peeding, 
distr a ct ed  drivin g)  not h ap pen .
My ho p e in  the t ransitio n per i od is that the presence of s e lf - d ri v ingcar s on
roadswill fina llyf or cet he dr ivers  t o  s t art obeying traffic  l aws -which 
should prett y much eli m i n ate theMADc on s ideration alto gethe r.

------ Rorithar r
I g enuinely  hope som e o ne at th eir  HQ  ha s a n ex planation. Th i s  doe sn 't make 
se nse onany  le vel  at  a ll from m y PoV, b ut  i 'm  n otvalue d  at 50bn $. 

I  w oul d lov e  to se e som e su pe rs mar t twist on t his,  i nc ompe ten ce  andhubr i s
b ecomesboring to  wa t ch f as t. 

----- -
jheriko
ube r.  i have no th ing  again s t  improvi ng these services, butd oing it  wi th su ch
b latant di sre gard t o t h e law. 

if t his w as  ju s t  some g uy  on  t he street, o r e ven m os t bu sinesse s the
authoritiesw oul d come down o n t heml i ke  at on ofbr i cks . . . but its a sil icon
valle yp os terchild s o  we  d on't.
its sodiffi c ult tosee and n ot feel a ng er a b o utit. if i d on't domy due
di l igenc e  o r act  in tellig en tly  i fe el unc o mfo rtabl e like  i 'm tak ing a  s tupid
ri sk... why don't they?
~~~
Te MPOra L
M aybe Uber  is sec retly inlegi slative pe nte sti ng bu sin e ss -work i ng  to probe 
jus t  how much la wst h ey  can breaka n d  st ill g eta way wi th i t.

------
tarr11 Cycling and pe dest r i anadv o cate sare speaking a gai ns t self dri vi ng cars [1] .

It'sso mucheasier  to fi x softw a r ef or "ri ghthoo ks" thenit
 question_of if,_but when. At that_point, we'll_have_to trust_that
they'll_never abuse it_(lol) and that_no third parties will_ever be able_to
hack_it remotely.

Even if you think the government is your friend, the first worm using_a_remote
code execution_exploit_that_hops from car to car_via Bluetooth and activates
its payload_on a_specific date will be able to kill tens_of_millions of
people.

~~~
TeMPOraL
I won't_comment on the apocalypse scenarios you described, because the
possibility_is obviously there. But regarding the_MAD scenario on_roads,_I
believe_with self-driving cars you're_trading off ability to survive in__very_
rare cases (like split-second decision after_reading the face of the driver
about to_crash into you) for having the_usual accident causes (speeding,
distracted driving)_not happen.

My_hope in the transition period_is that the_presence of_self-driving cars on
roads_will finally force the drivers to_start obeying traffic_laws - which
should pretty much eliminate_the_MAD consideration altogether.

------
Roritharr
I_genuinely_hope_someone at_their HQ has_an_explanation. This_doesn't_make
sense on any level at all_from_my PoV, but i'm not valued at_50bn$.

I would love to_see_some super smart twist_on this, incompetence and hubris
becomes_boring to watch fast.

------
jheriko
uber. i have_nothing against_improving these_services, but doing it with such
blatant disregard to the law.

if this_was just some guy on the_street, or even most_businesses the
authorities_would_come down on_them_like a_ton of bricks... but its a silicon
valley_posterchild so_we don't.

its so difficult to see_and not feel anger_about_it. if i don't do my_due
diligence or act intelligently i feel_uncomfortable like i'm taking a_stupid
risk..._why_don't they?

~~~
TeMPOraL
Maybe Uber is secretly_in legislative pentesting business - working_to probe
just how_much laws they can break and still_get_away with it.

------
tarr11
Cycling and pedestrian advocates_are_speaking against self driving cars [1].

It's_so_much_easier to fix software for_"right hooks" then it