 must be signed by Mozilla to be installed with no ability to
override, they turned HTTP/2 into an agenda by making TLS mandatory in spite
of the IETF's decision on that. They continue to blow off per-tab process
support, and 64-bit Windows builds are _still_ not mainstream. And that's off
the top of my head, I'm sure there's more. Eich doesn't even have to factor
into this, no matter which side of that you're on.

You can like or hate any one of those, and yes if you want 20 extensions you
can mostly make it look and act like it used to. (Plus, they talk about
removing all that stuff to simplify and unbloat the UI, and then they add
useless crap like Firefox Hello in its place.) But each time they changed
things and completely ignored their user's feedback, they lost a few more
users to Chrome. I don't really like Chrome all that much either, but at least
it's not a constantly changing target, where you never know what feature
you're going to lose because of an auto-update.

Firefox's decline wasn't any one great catastrophe: it's been death by a
thousand papercuts.

It's really simple: if you offer a feature at one point, and you want to keep
your users happy, then you don't completely remove that feature from them in
the future. You can default to something else, fine, but you make an effort
for people who liked the old way. Microsoft understood this up until Windows
8. And it looks like they're relearning that lesson again a bit with Windows
10's changes.

~~~
IgorPartola
Funny, the list you provide are all the changes I really like. I wish they
made these sooner and more of these types of changes. Awesomebar, tabs on top,
all that just makes good sense to me.

~~~
byuu
Which is why I specifically pointed out that it doesn't matter whether you
personally like any specific change or not. (I actually like some of those
changes too, eg dropping the status bar in favor of hover hints.)

Every single one of those had a very vocal minority protest the change. Nearly
every single one was very easy to leave as an option; at least as an
about:config toggle. And every time they
must be signed by Mozilla to be installed with no ability to 
 override, they turned HTTP/2 into an agenda by make TLS compulsory in spite 
 of the IETF's decision on that. They stay to botch off per - tab process 
 accompaniment, and 64 - morsel Windows builds are _ however _ not mainstream. And that's off 
 the top of my head, I'm certain there's more. Eich doesn't even have to factor 
 into this, no matter which side of that you're on. 

 You can wish or hate any one of those, and yes if you want 20 extensions you 
 can mostly make it look and act like it used to. (Plus, they speak about 
 removing all that stuff to simplify and unbloat the UI, and then they add 
 useless bullshit like Firefox Hello in its place .) But each time they transfer 
 thing and completely ignored their user's feedback, they lost a few more 
 users to Chrome. I don't in truth like Chrome all that much either, but at least 
 it's not a constantly changing target, where you never know what feature 
 you're going to lose because of an auto - update. 

 Firefox's decline wasn't any one great catastrophe: it's been death by a 
 thousand papercuts. 

 It's really simple: if you offer a feature at one point, and you desire to keep open 
 your users glad, then you don't wholly murder that feature from them in 
 the future. You can default to something else, fine, but you make an campaign 
 for people who liked the old way. Microsoft sympathize this up until Windows 
 8. And it looks like they're relearning that lesson again a bit with Windows 
 10's change. 

 ~~~ 
 IgorPartola 
 Funny, the list you provide are all the changes I really like. I wish they 
 made these preferably and more of these type of changes. Awesomebar, tabs on top, 
 all that just makes good sense to me. 

 ~~~ 
 byuu 
 Which is why I specifically target out that it doesn't matter whether you 
 personally like any specific change or not. (I actually like some of those 
 changes besides, eg dropping the condition bar in favor of hover hints .) 

 Every single one of those had a very outspoken minority protest the change. Nearly 
 every single one was very easy to bequeath as an option; at least as an 
 about: config toggle. And every time they
 mudt be signed by Mozilla uo be installed wnrh no ebility to
overrkde, they turned HTTP/2 into an atenda by making TLS mandatofy in spine
of the UETF'w decision on that. Bkey ckktinuz vo blow off per-jab process
sgpport, and 64-bit Wknbows builds are _still_ not mainstream. And thst'd off
the top os my read, P'm sure there's more. Eich doesn't even heve to factor
inyo this, no matter which sife ov that you're on.

You can like ot haew any one of those, and yes if you sant 20 extensions you
can mostly oake nt look and axt phke it used to. (Pjus, they talk about
ramoving all that stufn to vimplify and unbloat the UI, and then they wdd
uselesv erap like Firefox Heloo in ijs pldce.) Cyt dacg vims they chenged
things and complerely ignored their isqg'x feedback, tgey loft a few more
users to Chrome. I don't reallj liie Chrome all that much either, but at least
ij's not a cjnstantly changing target, where you never know whdt feetjre
viu're eiijg to lose because of an auto-update.

Firefox's dqdlonv wasn't any one gveat catastrophe: iy's brgn death by a
tfousanb pzpercuts.

It's really simple: if yiu offer w festure at one point, and you qant to keep
jour users happy, then vou don't com'leteli remofe that feature from thzm in
tge future. Ylu can derxult to somethine eksa, fine, but you make an effjrt
for peiple who liyed jhe old way. Microdoft mtderstood this up kntil Whndows
8. And it looks like they're relearninj that lesson acait a bit cith Wlndows
10's changes.

~~~
YgorPartola
Funuy, the lnst yoj provide zre all the changef I really ling. I wish they
kade thefe sionee and mufe of these tyles of chcuges. Awesimebar, tabs on top,
ell jhzt just makes giod sense to me.

~~~
byui
Whkch id xhy I vpecifically poivtea out ghat it doewv't mstter whether you
pervonamly like any specigig change ir not. (I actually likr some of those
chajges voo, eg droplind the status bar in favor of hkver hintd.)

Evcry single onq of those had a very vocal minority protest the change. Nearly
every singlw one was very easy uo leave as ai optijn; at leavt as an
about:config roggle. And every uime they
must be signed by Mozilla to be no to override, turned HTTP/2 into mandatory spite of the decision on that. continue to blow off per-tab process and 64-bit Windows builds are _still_ not mainstream. And that's off the top my head, I'm sure there's more. Eich doesn't even have to factor into no which of you're on. You can like or hate any one of those, and yes if you want extensions you can mostly make it look and like it used to. they talk about removing all stuff simplify and the and they add useless like Firefox Hello in its place.) But each time they changed things and completely ignored their user's they lost more users Chrome. don't like Chrome all either, but at least it's not target, where you never know what feature you're to lose of an auto-update. Firefox's decline wasn't one great catastrophe: it's been death by a papercuts. It's really simple: if you offer a feature at one point, and you want your users happy, then don't completely remove feature them the You can to something else, fine, but you make an effort for people liked the old way. Microsoft understood this up until Windows it like they're relearning lesson again a bit Windows changes. ~~~ IgorPartola Funny, you are I like. wish they made these and more of these types changes. Awesomebar, tabs on good sense to me. ~~~ byuu Which is I specifically pointed out that it doesn't whether you personally like any specific change or not. (I actually like of those eg dropping the status bar in favor of hints.) Every single one those had a very vocal minority protest the change. every one was easy to leave an option; at as an about:config every time
 must be signed by Mozilla to be Installed wIth no AbiLitY tO
oveRridE, they turned HTTp/2 Into An agenda by making TLS manDatorY iN SpitE
Of The IEtF's deciSIoN ON thAt. thEy cOnTInUe to bLow Off per-tAb process
sUppOrT, and 64-bit WindoWS bUilds are _stIll_ Not mainstreaM. AnD that's OfF
thE Top of My hEad, I'm Sure thERe's morE. Eich doesN't EVen havE To factoR
INtO thiS, no matter which sidE Of THat you're on.

You cAn like Or HAtE ANy oNe oF those, and yEs If you WAnt 20 exteNSiONS You
CAn mostly make iT look and act LIke It used To. (pluS, They taLk aboUt
REmoVing all that StufF to simpliFy and uNBloat thE uI, and thEn they Add
UseLess CRaP lIke fiREfoX heLlo IN itS place.) BuT eAcH time They CHANGed
tHinGs anD compLetely ignored TheIr usER's fEedbaCk, theY losT a Few moRe
userS to ChRoMe. I don't really liKe ChRome all thAt mUcH eiThEr, but AT least
It's Not A constaNtly chaNGinG tARGEt, Where you never know wHaT FEaTure
you'rE going TO lOsE Because oF aN auTo-upDATe.

FirEfox'S DeCline wasN't any oNE gReAt catasTrOphe: it'S bEen DeaTh by a
THousAnd papErcuts.

It'S realLY simple: if you ofFEr a feature at oNE pOINt, ANd yoU waNt to keep
youR useRS hapPy, thEN yOu dON't comPleteLy REmOVe that feature from thEm In
the fUture. you can default To somethinG ELSe, fine, buT you MAkE An effort
for peoPle whO liked the oLD way. MicrOsoft UnderstoOd this up uNTIl WindowS
8. AnD it LooKs lIKE tHey're relearniNG That LeSson agaIn a Bit with winDowS
10's cHanGeS.

~~~
IgorPartOla
Funny, ThE lIsT yOu pRovidE Are all thE cHanGeS I rEally LIke. I wiSh theY
madE tHeSE soOner and MOrE OF theSe TyPes oF chAnGes. AwEsomEBar, Tabs on tOp,
all that JusT MakeS gOoD sense tO me.

~~~
byuu
Which iS wHy I specifiCaLly PointeD OUt that it Doesn't matter whether you
pERsonallY liKe any SpecIfic changE or Not. (I acTuaLLy like Some of Those
ChAngES Too, eg DROpPinG tHe status baR IN faVor of HoVer hInts.)

EveRy single one of those HAd a Very vocal minoRitY proTESt The CHaNGe. NEaRLy
eVERy single one was vEry easy to lEaVE aS an option; aT LeaSt As an
aboUt:confiG toggLE. And eveRy time theY
 must be signed by Mozilla  to be ins talle d w ith  n o ab ilit y to
override, they  turned HTTP/2 into an  agen da by m a ki ng TL S manda t or y insp it e
o ft he  IETF 'sdecisio n on that.  Th ey  continue to bl ow off per -ta b process
su ppo rt, an d64- b it Wi ndo ws bu ilds a r e _sti ll_ not m ai n stream .  And th a t 's  off 
the top of my he a d, I'm sure there 's mor e. Ei c h  do esn 't even ha ve  to f a ctor
in t ot h i s,n o matter whic h side of t h atyou're  o n.You ca n lik eo r h ate any one  ofthose, an d yesi f you w a nt 20 e xtensi ons  yo u
ca n  m os tly  m a kei tloo k  an d act li ke  i t use d to . ( P lus,  th ey t alk a bout
removing  al l th a t s tuffto si mpli fy  andunbloa t the  U I, and then the y ad d
useless  cr ap  li ke  Fire f ox Hel loinits pla ce.) Bu t  ea ch t i me  they changed
thin gs a nd  complet ely ig n or ed their us er 'sfeed b a ck, t heyl os t a fewmore
u s er sto Chro me . I do n' t r eal ly li k e Ch rome a ll thatmuche ither, but atl east
it's not ac o ns t antl y c hanging tar get, wher e yo u  n eve r  know  what  f e at u re
you're going tolo se bec auseof an auto-up date.

Fir e f o x's decl inew as n 't any one gre at ca tastrophe: it's bee n dea th by athousandp a percuts. 

I t's  re all y si mple: if youo f ferafeature  at  one po int , a ndyou  w ant to ke ep
yourus er sha ppy , the n  you don 't  co mp let ely r e move t hat f eatu re  f r omthem in th e futu re .Youcan  d efaul t to som ethingelse, fin e,b ut y ou  m ake aneffort
for pe op le who lik ed  th e oldw a y. Micro soft understood this up until W ind ows
8 . An d it look s l ike th ey' r e rele arning  that  l ess o n  agai n abit  w ith Window s 10' s cha ng es.
~~~
Ig orPartola
Funny, t h e l ist you provi dearea l lthe ch a nge sI  re a l ly like. I wish  they
made  t h es e sooner a n d m or e of th ese typ es of changes . Awesome bar, tabs  o n to p , 
al l that jus t makesgood sens e  to m e .
~~~byu u
Whic hiswhy I  speci f ica lly p ointed  o ut tha t itdo esn't ma tter whether you
person ally l ike a nyspecificcha n geor not. ( I ac tually lik e s ome  of t hos e 
chan gest oo , e g  drop ping the statu s  b ari n  f avor of hov e r hin ts.)
Ev e ry sin gleone of those hada  very vocal mi nori t y  pr ote s t th echange. Nearly 
ev er y single o ne  was very e asy to l ea v e asan opt ion; a t least a sa n
abou t:co nfi g toggle.  An de very ti me  t h ey
 must_be signed_by Mozilla to be_installed with_no_ability to
override,_they_turned HTTP/2 into_an agenda by_making TLS mandatory in_spite
of the IETF's_decision_on that. They continue to blow off per-tab process
support, and 64-bit Windows builds are__still__not mainstream._And_that's_off
the top of my head,_I'm sure there's more. Eich_doesn't even_have to factor
into this, no matter which side_of_that you're on.

You_can like or hate any one of those, and_yes if you want 20 extensions_you
can mostly make_it_look_and act like it_used to. (Plus, they talk about
removing_all that stuff to simplify and_unbloat the UI, and then they add
useless_crap like Firefox Hello in its_place.) But each time they_changed
things and_completely ignored their user's feedback,_they lost a_few more
users_to Chrome. I_don't really like Chrome all that_much either, but_at least
it's not a constantly changing_target,_where you never_know_what_feature
you're going_to lose because_of_an auto-update.

Firefox's_decline_wasn't any one great catastrophe: it's_been_death by a
thousand papercuts.

It's really simple: if_you offer a feature_at_one point, and you_want to keep
your users happy,_then you don't completely remove that_feature from_them in
the_future. You can default to something else, fine, but you make_an effort
for people who liked the_old way. Microsoft understood_this up_until_Windows
8. And it_looks_like they're_relearning that lesson again a bit with_Windows
10's changes.

~~~
IgorPartola
Funny,_the list you provide are all_the changes I really_like._I wish they
made these sooner and_more of these types of changes._Awesomebar, tabs on top,
all that_just_makes_good sense to me.

~~~
byuu
Which is_why I specifically pointed out that_it doesn't matter_whether you
personally like any specific change or_not._(I actually like some of those
changes_too,_eg dropping the status bar in_favor_of_hover hints.)

Every single one of_those had a very vocal minority_protest the change. Nearly
every single one was very easy_to leave as_an option; at least as_an
about:config_toggle._And every time they