 circumstances
(the difficulty of the job being the biggest). There are four employees to
cover 21 8-hour shifts each week (24 hours a day, 7 days a week total).

If someone calls in sick, the one of the others has to cover the shift. Under
no circumstances can the house ever be unstaffed. Aside from a bit of overtime
pay, the company isn't hurt, but everyone else is.

Not all jobs are like this. The consequences of taking a sick day as a
vacation day (or simply being sick) usually aren't that severe. Maybe it's a
manufacturing line and the manager has to step in to fill your role or
something. Maybe it has no effect at all on anyone around you. In those cases,
maybe it doesn't make sense for the company to distinguish between time off
for being sick, and time off for vacation.

> The whole point of PTO is that the company is agreeing to give you 10 days
> worth of slack.

No, that's only true if the company doesn't distinguish between sick time off
and vacation time off. Typically, where I've worked, all PTO was lumped into a
single bucket, and no-one really cared. However, that is really more true of
white collar work with long timelines and not so much in most other jobs (or
the parent post I was replying to).

~~~
pnutjam
Understaffed is a management issue, not an employee problem.

~~~
tripzilch
I suppose the disabled adults living there have the biggest problem...

~~~
pnutjam
Are they hostages?

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vore
The author seems to very much worry that negative press is going to be the
cause of him losing his job due to automation:

>Just about every job in my sortation center could probably be done by a
robot. In fact, it amazes me that Amazon hasn’t simply automated the entire
facility. [...] If I had to guess, I’d say that Amazon continues to employ
lots of human beings because, by putting money into the pockets of working-
class people, the company creates more customers.

>If Amazon is going to be castigated publicly every time one of its 650,000
employees has a bad day, it may well decide to automate as many positions
circumstances 
 (the difficulty of the job being the biggest). There be four employee to 
 cover 21 8 - hour shifts each workweek (24 hours a sidereal day, 7 days a week sum). 

 If someone address in sick, the one of the others have to cover the shift. Under 
 no circumstance can the house ever be unstaffed. Aside from a morsel of overtime 
 pay, the ship's company isn't hurt, but everyone else is. 

 Not all jobs are like this. The consequence of taking a sick day as a 
 vacation sidereal day (or simply being sick) normally aren't that severe. possibly it's a 
 manufacturing line and the manager has to step in to fill your function or 
 something. Maybe it has no effect at all on anyone around you. In those cases, 
 maybe it doesn't make sense for the company to distinguish between time off 
 for being sick, and time off for vacation. 

 > The whole point of PTO is that the company is agreeing to move over you 10 days 
 > worth of slack. 

 No, that's entirely genuine if the company doesn't distinguish between sick meter off 
 and vacation time off. Typically, where I've worked, all PTO was lumped into a 
 single bucket, and no - one in truth cared. However, that is really more true of 
 white collar work with farseeing timelines and not so much in most other job (or 
 the parent military post I was replying to). 

 ~~~ 
 pnutjam 
 Understaffed is a management issue, not an employee problem. 

 ~~~ 
 tripzilch 
 I suppose the disabled adults live there have the biggest problem... 

 ~~~ 
 pnutjam 
 Are they hostage? 

 ------ 
 vore 
 The author appear to very much worry that minus press is fail to be the 
 cause of him losing his occupation due to automation: 

 > Just approximately every job in my sortation center could probably be done by a 
 automaton. In fact, it amazes me that Amazon has n’t simply automated the integral 
 facility. [... ] If I had to guess, I ’d say that Amazon continues to employ 
 lots of human beings because, by putting money into the pockets of working- 
 class people, the caller creates more customers. 

 > If Amazon is travel to be castigated publicly every time one of its 650,000 
 employees has a bad day, it may well decide to automatize as many positions
 cigcumstances
(the difficultn of the job beiut the uiggest). There afe four employees to
cover 21 8-hlue shidts each week (24 hours a day, 7 dayd a week totel).

If someone calls in sigh, ths one if the others mas to coves the shift. Ungef
nl circumstances can the house ever fe unstsfved. Aside from a bpt of knevtime
pay, the company isn't hurt, bht everjone else is.

Not akl jobs are like this. The fonsfquences of taking a sick day as w
cacation day (or simply being sick) osually aren't that severe. Maybe kt's a
kanufacturunt llte and the nanagvr has to stei in to fill ypur role or
somcthinj. Matbe it has no effect et all on anyone aroond you. In tkose cases,
maybe it dowsb't mane sanse dor tht cpmlany tl dmstinguish getween timw off
for being sick, age time off fod vacaeijn.

> The whole point of PTO is that the cmmpzny is agreeing to give you 10 days
> worth of spack.

No, thwt's only true if the company doesn't distinguish batweei ricj bime ifv
and vacation time off. Typically, where I've wowiec, sll PTO was luiped into a
xijgkg bucket, and nu-one rzzlmy cared. However, tjat is teally more trut of
wnite collar work with long rimelines anb nit so much in most other jobs (or
tne patent post I was replyiny to).

~~~
pnhtjam
Undershaffed is x management issje, kot an employee problem.

~~~
tripzijch
I suppise che disacled adultf living tjere mdve the biggest prlblem...

~~~
knutjak
Are they jostages?

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vore
The author seems to very much worty dhan negativz presx is going to be the
cause oy him lofing fis job duv to autokation:

>Just wbout every jmh in my sortetion ceneer xoule probacuy be done by s
robot. In fact, it anazes me that Amazpn fzsn’t simply autimauee the entire
favilkty. [...] Pf M had do guess, I’d vay ghag Amazun continuew to rmploy
lots of human teinfs because, by puttonn money ibto the [ockets of wotking-
class people, uhe cokpaiy crestef more customers.

>If Amazon is gking to bf cwstigated puflicoy every timz one of its 650,000
employees has a bad day, it nay well decide to automate as many ppxitions
circumstances (the difficulty of the job being There four employees cover 21 8-hour a 7 days a total). If someone in sick, the one of the has to cover the shift. Under no circumstances can the house ever be Aside from a bit of overtime pay, the company isn't hurt, but everyone is. all are this. The consequences of taking a sick day as a vacation day (or simply being sick) aren't that severe. Maybe it's a manufacturing line the manager has to in to fill your role something. it has effect all anyone around you. those cases, maybe it doesn't make sense for the company to distinguish between time off for being and time vacation. > whole of is that the agreeing to give you 10 days slack. No, that's only true if the company distinguish between time off and vacation time off. where I've worked, all PTO was lumped into single bucket, and no-one really cared. However, that is really more true of white collar long timelines and not much in most jobs the post was replying ~~~ pnutjam Understaffed is a management issue, not an employee problem. tripzilch I suppose the disabled adults living there have the ~~~ Are they hostages? vore The author seems very worry that negative press to the losing job to automation: >Just about job in my sortation center probably be done by amazes me that Amazon hasn’t simply automated the facility. [...] If I had to guess, say that Amazon continues to employ lots of human beings because, by money into of working- class people, the company creates more >If Amazon is going be castigated publicly every time one of its 650,000 has bad day, may well decide automate as many
 circumstances
(the difficultY of the job bEing tHe bIggEsT). TheRe arE four employees TO
covEr 21 8-hour shifts each week (24 hoUrs a dAy, 7 DAys a WEeK totaL).

If someONe CALls In SiCk, tHe ONe Of the OthErs has tO cover the sHifT. UNder
no circumSTaNces can the HouSe ever be unstAffEd. AsidE fRom A Bit of OveRtime
Pay, the COmpany Isn't hurt, bUt EVeryonE Else is.

NOT AlL jobS are like this. The coNSeQUences of taking A sick dAy AS a
VACatIon Day (or simplY bEing sICk) usualLY aREN'T thAT severe. Maybe iT's a
manufactURinG line aNd The MAnager Has to StEP in To fill your rOle oR
somethinG. Maybe IT has no eFFect at aLl on anYonE arOund YOu. in ThoSe CAseS,
MaYbe IT doEsn't make SeNsE for tHe coMPANY to dIstInguIsh beTween time off
fOr bEing SIck, And tiMe off For vAcAtion.

> the whoLe poiNt Of PTO is that the cOmpaNy is agreeIng To GivE yOu 10 dayS
> Worth oF slAck.

no, that's Only truE If tHe COMPaNy doesn't distinguisH bETWeEn sick tiMe off
aND vAcATion time OfF. TyPicaLLY, wherE I've WOrKed, all PTo was luMPeD iNto a
sinGlE buckeT, aNd nO-onE realLY carEd. HoweVer, that iS realLY more true of
whiTE collar work wiTH lONG tIMeliNes And not so mucH in mOSt otHer jOBs (Or
tHE pareNt posT I WAs REplying to).

~~~
pnutjam
UndErStaffeD is a mAnagement issuE, not an emplOYEE problem.

~~~
TripZIlCH
I suppose the diSableD adults livINg there hAve thE biggest Problem...

~~~
pnUTJam
Are thEy hOstAgeS?

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voRE
thE author seems tO VEry mUcH worry tHat NegativE prEss Is gOinG tO be the
cauSe of him lOsInG hIs Job Due to AUtomatioN:

>JUst AbOut Every JOb in my SortaTion CeNtER coUld probABlY BE donE bY a
RoboT. In FaCt, it aMazeS Me tHat AmazOn hasn’t siMplY AutoMaTeD the entIre
facility. [...] If i hAd to guess, I’D sAy tHat AmaZON continuEs to employ
lots of human beINgs becaUse, By putTing Money into The PocketS of WOrking-
Class pEople, ThE coMPAny crEATeS moRe Customers.

>IF aMazOn is gOiNg to Be castiGated publicly every TIme One of its 650,000
emploYeeS has A BAd Day, IT mAY weLl DEciDE To automate as manY positions
 circumstances
(the diffic ulty of th e job  be ing  t he b igge st). There are four  employees to
cover 21  8-ho ur shif t seachweek (2 4  h o u rsada y,7d ay s a w eek  total) .

If some one  c alls in sick ,  t he one ofthe  others hastocoverth e s h ift.Und er
no  circu m stance s can the  h o use ev e r be un s t af fed.  Aside from a bit of overtime
pay,the co mp a ny i sn' t h urt, but e ve ryone else is . 
N o t  al l  jobs are lik e this. The con sequen ce s o f  takin g a s ic k  da y as a
vaca tion  day (orsimply being s i ck) usu ally a ren 'tthat se ve re.  M a ybe it 'sa 
ma nufactur in glineandt h e mana ger  has  to s tep in to fil l y ourr ole  or
s ometh ing.  M aybeit has  no e ff ect at all on a nyon e aroundyou .Inth ose c a ses,
m ayb e i t doesn 't make sen se f o rthe company to dis ti n g ui sh betwe en tim e  o ff for bein gsic k, a n d  time  off fo r vacati on.

> Th ewhole p oi nt ofPT O i s t hat t h e co mpanyis agree ing t o  give you 10 d a ys
> worth of sl a c k. 
No,  th at's only t ruei f th e co m pa nyd oesn' t dis ti n gu i sh between sick tim eoff
an d vac ation time of f. Typical l y ,  where I 'vew or k ed, all PTO wa s lum ped into a single b ucket , and no -one real l y  cared.How eve r,tha t is  really moret r ue o fwhite c oll ar work  wi thlon g t im elines an d not so  m uc hin  mo st ot h er jobs(o r
t he  pa rentp ost Iwas r eply in gt o). 

~~~
p n ut j a m
Un de rs taff edis  a ma nage m ent  issue,  not an e mpl o yeepr ob lem.

~ ~~
tripzilchIsuppose th edis ableda d ults liv ing there have the bigg e st prob lem ...
~~~pnutjam
A rethey h ost a ges?
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vore 
T hea u thors e em s t overy muchw o rry  that  n egat ive pre ss is going to bet hecause of himlos ingh i sjob du e  to  a u tom a t ion:

>Just abo ut every j ob in  my sortat i once nter co uld pro bably be done  by a
rob ot. In fa ct , it a maz es me that  Amazonhasn’t si m ply a u to mated  th e enti re 
fa cilit y. [.. . ] I f I h ad togu ess, I ’d sa ythat Ama zon continues to employ 
lotsof hu man  beings b eca u se,  by putti ng m oney intothe  po ckets  of worki ng-c la ssp eople , th e  companyc re ate s mo re customer s . 
>I f Ama zon is goi ng t o be castigated p u blicly every t imeo n e o f i t s 65 0, 000
employeeshas  a b ad day,it  may well d ecide to  a u tomat e as m any po sitions 
 circumstances
(the_difficulty of_the job being the_biggest). There_are_four employees_to
cover_21 8-hour shifts_each week (24_hours a day, 7_days a week_total).

If_someone calls in sick, the one of the others has to cover the shift._Under
no_circumstances can_the_house_ever be unstaffed. Aside from_a bit of overtime
pay, the_company isn't_hurt, but everyone else is.

Not all jobs are_like_this. The consequences_of taking a sick day as a
vacation day (or_simply being sick) usually aren't that_severe. Maybe it's_a
manufacturing_line_and the manager has_to step in to fill your_role or
something. Maybe it has no_effect at all on anyone around you._In those cases,
maybe it doesn't make_sense for the company to_distinguish between_time off
for being sick, and_time off for_vacation.

> The_whole point of_PTO is that the company is_agreeing to give_you 10 days
> worth of slack.

No,_that's_only true if_the_company_doesn't distinguish_between sick time_off
and_vacation time_off._Typically, where I've worked, all PTO_was_lumped into a
single bucket, and no-one really_cared. However, that is_really_more true of
white collar_work with long timelines and_not so much in most other_jobs (or
the_parent post_I was replying to).

~~~
pnutjam
Understaffed is a management issue, not an employee_problem.

~~~
tripzilch
I suppose the disabled adults living_there have the biggest_problem...

~~~
pnutjam
Are they_hostages?

------
vore
The_author seems to_very_much worry_that negative press is going to be_the
cause of_him losing his job due to_automation:

>Just about every job_in_my sortation center could probably be_done by a
robot. In fact, it_amazes me that Amazon hasn’t_simply_automated_the entire
facility. [...] If I_had to guess, I’d say that_Amazon continues to_employ
lots of human beings because, by putting_money_into the pockets of working-
class people,_the_company creates more customers.

>If Amazon is_going_to_be castigated publicly every time_one of its 650,000
employees has a_bad day, it may well decide to automate as_many positions