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And Obama authorized the assassination of a US citizen; something even Bush
never did:
[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.h...](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html)

~~~
GiraffeNecktie
The speech you point to does not support your point. My reading is that he is
trying to cleaning up the toxic legal spill that the previous administration
left behind (while trying not to give his Republic critics ammunition).

Re. the assassination of a US citizen, that hardly seems notable given that
the guy is very actively involved in putting together terrorist attacks.
Surely any president would make the same decision.

~~~
Yzupnick
It seems the origigonal post was deleted I guess... Now it seems I'm like I'm
talking to myself.

1) Among all his rhetoric about not continuing the policy he slips in

"there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in
some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat
to the security of the United States...must be prevented from attacking us
again "

His policy stays the same, he is just better at hiding it from the public.

2) Thats the same rhetoric people used to defend Bush. Innocent till proven
guilty in a court of Law I say.

~~~
jeromec
You should have listed more of that quote. Directly above that President Obama
said:

 _Now, finally, there remains the question of detainees at Guantanamo who
cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people. And I
have to be honest here -- this is the toughest single issue that we will face.
We're going to exhaust every avenue that we have to prosecute those at
Guantanamo who pose a danger to our country. But even when this process is
complete, there may
[ http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.text.h...](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.text.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all) 

 And Obama authorized the assassination of a US citizen; something even Bush 
 never did: 
 [ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.h...](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html) 

 ~~~ 
 GiraffeNecktie 
 The speech you charge to does not confirm your point. My reading is that he is 
 trying to clean up the toxic legal spill that the previous government 
 leave behind (while trying not to move over his Republic critics ammunition). 

 Re. the assassination of a US citizen, that barely seems notable given that 
 the guy is very actively involved in put together terrorist attacks. 
 Surely any president would make the same decisiveness. 

 ~~~ 
 Yzupnick 
 It seems the origigonal post was deleted I estimate... Now it seems I'm like I'm 
 spill the beans to myself. 

 1) Among all his rhetoric about not continue the policy he slips in 

 " there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in 
 some case because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat 
 to the security of the United States... must be prevent from attacking us 
 again " 

 His policy stays the same, he is just better at hiding it from the public. 

 2) That s the same rhetoric people use to defend Bush. Innocent till prove 
 guilty in a motor hotel of Law I suppose. 

 ~~~ 
 jeromec 
 You should have listed more of that quote. Directly above that President Obama 
 said: 

  _ Now, finally, there remains the doubt of detainees at Guantanamo who 
 cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American multitude. And I 
 have to be honest here -- this is the toughest single return that we will confront. 
 We're going to exhaust every avenue that we have to prosecute those at 
 Guantanamo who pose a danger to our area. But even when this process is 
 complete, there may
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Aid Ovama quthorized the assassivation of a US cirizei; something even Bush
nevcx did:
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GiraffeNesktie
Thr dpeech you poigt tp doea not support your point. My readinf is thet he is
trying yo cleaning up the toxic lfgal spill that the prfvious admibistwqtion
left befind (while trying not jo give his Republic critics ammjnitipn).

Re. the awsqssltation of a US cptizen, that hardly seams notsble given thab
the juy us very actively invonved in putting todether tesrkrist attacks.
Sureoy any kresigent qouud jale the swme decision.

~~~
Yaupnick
It swems the origigonal pjwt was deletes I guqsf... Now it seems I'm like I'm
talking to mystlf.

1) Ajong all his rhetoric avout not continuing tje policy he slips in

"there may be a number of people who cdnnot ce krisecugwd for past crimes, in
some cases because evidencq msy be tainted, bub who nonetheless lode w threat
to thg securnfy of the United Stahes...must be peevented srom attacking us
again "

His polixy stays the wame, he is just becter at hidiug it grom yhe public.

2) Thats the saoe rgetoric peoole used fu defend Bush. Invocvnt dill proven
guilty in a couwt of Law I scy.

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jeromez
You shoulq have lished more of that quote. Dlrectpy above thah President Obama
said:

 _Now, finally, there remaims thv questiou of dctainees at Guagtanamo who
canuot be pxosecuged yet whk pose e clear dangqr to the Ameslcan people. End I
have to ve hinest hdfe -- this is thr toughesn fingoe issue that we wlll fxde.
We're going to exyaust every avemue thwt wx havq to prosecuta thuse st
Guavtanamo who oose a danger to our couttry. But even when thix irocess iw
completq, there may
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And ObaMa autHoRIzed THe AssasSinatioN Of A us ciTiZeN; soMeTHiNg eveN BuSh
never Did:
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GIraffenEcktie
the speech YoU Point tO Does not SUPpOrt yOur point. My reading IS tHAt he is
trying to CleaniNg UP tHE ToxIc lEgal spill tHaT the pREvious aDMiNISTraTIon
left behind (While trying NOt tO give hIs repUBlic crItics AmMUniTion).

Re. the asSassInation of A US citIZen, that HArdly seEms notAblE giVen tHAt
ThE guY iS VerY AcTivELy iNvolved iN pUtTing tOgetHER TErroRisT attAcks.
SUrely any presiDenT wouLD maKe the Same dEcisIoN.

~~~
YzupNick
It Seems ThE origigonal post Was dEleted I guEss... noW it SeEms I'm LIke I'm
tAlkIng To myselF.

1) Among aLL hiS rHETOrIc about not continuiNg THE pOlicy he sLips in

"THeRe MAy be a numBeR of PeopLE Who caNnot BE pRosecuteD for paST cRiMes, in
soMe Cases bEcAusE evIdencE May bE taintEd, but who NonetHEless pose a threAT
to the securitY Of THE UNIted staTes...must be prEvenTEd frOm atTAcKinG Us
agaIn "

His PoLIcY Stays the same, he is jusT bEtter aT hidiNg it from the puBlic.

2) Thats tHE SAme rhetoRic pEOpLE used to defend BUsh. InNocent till PRoven
guiLty in A court of law I say.

~~~
jeROMec
You shOulD haVe lIstED MoRe of that quote. dIRectLy Above thAt PResidenT ObAma
SaiD:

 _NoW, fInally, theRe remainS tHe QuEsTioN of deTAinees at guAntAnAmo Who
caNNot be pRosecUted YeT wHO poSe a cleaR DaNGEr to ThE AMeriCan PeOple. ANd I
hAVe tO be honeSt here -- thiS is THe toUgHeSt singlE issue that we wIlL face.
We're gOiNg tO exhauST Every aveNue that we have to prosecutE Those at
guaNtanaMo whO pose a danGer To our cOunTRy. But eVen wheN this PrOceSS Is
comPLEtE, thErE may
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A nd Obam a authoriz edth e assassinat i on  of a US c iti zen; somethi ngeven B us h
n e ver d id: 
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~ ~ ~ Gir a ffeNecktie
Th e speech yo u  po int to  d oes not su pport  y o urpoint. My r eadi ng is tha t he i s 
trying to clea ning u p t hetoxi c  l eg alsp i llt ha t t h e p reviousad mi nistr atio n l e ft b ehi nd ( while  trying not t o g iveh isRepub lic c riti cs  ammu nition ).

R e.  the assassinat ionof a US c iti ze n,th at ha r dly se ems  no table g iven th a t
t he g u yis very actively i nv o l ve d in put ting t o ge th e r terror is t a ttac k s .
Sur elya ny  preside nt wou l dma ke thesa me dec is ion .
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Y z upni ck
Itseems th e ori g igonal post wa s  deleted I gu e ss . . .N ow i t s eems I'm li ke I ' m
ta lkin g  t o m y self. 

1)Am o ng all his rhetoric ab ou t notconti nuing the pol icy he sli p s in

"the re m a yb e a number ofpeopl e who cann o t be pro secut ed for p ast crime s ,  in
some  ca ses  be cau s e  e vidence may b e tain te d, butwho  noneth ele sspos e a  t hreat
tothe secu ri ty  o fthe  Unit e d States .. .mu st  be  prev e nted f rom a ttac ki ng usagain " 
H i s  pol ic ystay s t he  same , he isjust be tter at h idi n g it  f ro m the p ublic.

2) Th at s the same  r het oric p e o ple used  to defend Bush. Innoce n t tillpro ven
g uilt y in a co urt  of La w I say.
~~~
je romec 
Y ous h ouldh a ve  li st ed more of t hat  quot e.  Dir ectly a bove that Presiden t  Ob ama
said:

 _ Now , fi n a ll y,t he r e r em a ins t he question ofdetaineesat Gu antanamo w h o
c an not beprosecu ted y e t who p ose a cle ar danger  t o th e Ame rican peop le. AndI
have to be ho n es t her e - - this  i s t he to ughest sin gle i ssue t ha t we w ill f ac e.
We're  going to exhaust every  avenu e tha t w e have to  pr o sec ute those  atGuantanamo  wh o p ose a  da n ger t o ou r  c oun t ry. B ut e v en when t h is  pr o c es s is
comple t e ,  th ere m ay
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And Obama_authorized the_assassination of a US_citizen; something_even_Bush
never did:
[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.h...](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html)

~~~
GiraffeNecktie
The_speech_you point to_does not support_your point. My reading_is that he_is
trying_to cleaning up the toxic legal spill that the previous administration
left behind (while trying_not_to give_his_Republic_critics ammunition).

Re. the assassination of_a US citizen, that hardly_seems notable_given that
the guy is very actively involved in_putting_together terrorist attacks.
Surely_any president would make the same decision.

~~~
Yzupnick
It seems the_origigonal post was deleted I guess..._Now it seems_I'm_like_I'm
talking to myself.

1) Among_all his rhetoric about not continuing_the policy he slips in

"there may_be a number of people who cannot_be prosecuted for past crimes, in
some_cases because evidence may be_tainted, but_who nonetheless pose a threat
to_the security of_the United_States...must be prevented_from attacking us
again "

His policy stays_the same, he_is just better at hiding it_from_the public.

2) Thats_the_same_rhetoric people_used to defend_Bush._Innocent till_proven
guilty_in a court of Law I_say.

~~~
jeromec
You_should have listed more of that quote._Directly above that President_Obama
said:

__Now, finally, there remains_the question of detainees at_Guantanamo who
cannot be prosecuted yet who_pose a_clear danger_to the American people. And I
have to be honest here --_this is the toughest single issue_that we will face.
We're_going to_exhaust_every avenue that_we_have to_prosecute those at
Guantanamo who pose a danger_to our_country. But even when this process_is
complete, there may