 role as a developer to do design integration. At best designers should
only deal with CSS and HTML, they should never see a template tag nor be
responsible for placing them inside html files.

~~~
brackenbury
Regarding angular, please see this previous discussion:
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651641](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651641)
There appears to be lots of things the 1000 contributors didn't get. They are
after all abandoning Angular 1 and working on Angular 2 which is a completely
new framework which just happens to share the same name as the older
framework.

I agree designers shouldn't touch code (i.e., javascript). But designers
should be able to directly edit the visual aspects (i.e., templates). This was
one of the goals of XAML.

~~~
Bahamut
This discussion about what contributors got/didn't get is completely off -
Angular was conceived at a time when a lot of what we have today in standards
and better practices weren't here. To a large degree, Angular popularized many
of them in frontend development, or at the least highlighted a need for a more
standardized solution.

Angular has a lot of strong & smart contributors. Angular also grew more
organically, and broke a lot of new ground. That says nothing about what
contributors got/did not get. To equate the two requires a false assumption.

------
bpp
ReAngular was an April Fools' joke just 10 days ago:
[http://moduscreate.com/reangular-angular-react-
merger/](http://moduscreate.com/reangular-angular-react-merger/)

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joeyspn
Finally... there's light at the front-end of the tunnel...

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thekaleb
what was the context and purpose of this meeting?

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M8
If Facebook would agree on using standard Typescript, instead of their own
thing, that would be amazing.

~~~
stupidcar
Typescript isn't a standard though, it's one company's implementation of type-
checking for JS. Hopefully, the lessons learned from Typescript, Flow, Dart,
etc. will be fed back into the TC39 committee
role as a developer to do design integration. At good graphic designer should 
 only deal with CSS and HTML, they should never witness a template tag nor be 
 responsible for place them inside html file. 

 ~~~ 
 brackenbury 
 Regarding angular, please attend this previous discussion: 
 [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651641](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651641) 
 There appears to be set of things the 1000 contributors didn't draw. They are 
 after all abandoning Angular 1 and working on Angular 2 which is a completely 
 new model which just happens to share the like name as the older 
 framework. 

 I agree designers shouldn't touch code (i.e., javascript). But interior designer 
 should be able to directly edit the visual aspects (i.e., templates). This was 
 one of the goals of XAML. 

 ~~~ 
 Bahamut 
 This discussion about what subscriber got / didn't get is completely off - 
 Angular was conceived at a time when a lot of what we have today in standards 
 and better practices weren't here. To a large degree, Angular popularized many 
 of them in frontend development, or at the least highlighted a need for a more 
 standardized solution. 

 Angular has a batch of strong & smart contributor. Angular besides grow more 
 organically, and broke a lot of newfangled ground. That says nothing about what 
 contributors got / did not beget. To equate the two requires a false assumption. 

 ------ 
 bpp 
 ReAngular was an April Fools' joke just 10 day ago: 
 [ http://moduscreate.com/reangular-angular-react- 
 merger/](http://moduscreate.com / reangular - angular - react - merger/) 

 ------ 
 joeyspn 
 Finally... there's light at the front - end of the tunnel... 

 ------ 
 thekaleb 
 what was the context and purpose of this meeting? 

 ------ 
 M8 
 If Facebook would match on using standard Typescript, instead of their own 
 thing, that would be amazing. 

 ~~~ 
 stupidcar 
 Typescript isn't a standard though, it's one company's execution of type- 
 checking for JS. Hopefully, the lessons learned from Typescript, Flow, Dart, 
 etc. will be fed back into the TC39 committee
 rope as a developer to do aesign integratnin. At uest deaigners rhould
only deal with CSS and HRML, tyey should never see a template tag nor be
rtsponsible for pleding thci inalde hcmo files.

~~~
brackennury
Regarditg angular, pledsd dee this previous discussion:
[https://ners.ycombonwtor.com/item?id=8651641](hjtps://ntws.rcomgpnctor.com/item?id=8651641)
There appears to bs lots mf things the 1000 contributors didn't get. Tjey wre
after all abandlning Angulqr 1 wbd working ov Angular 2 which is a dompletely
new framework which jjst hcppens to syaee hve same namx as tre older
framceork.

I dgree drsigners shoulcn't toych code (i.e., javascripv). But designers
shoulq be able tk directly edit tye visudl avpecgw (i.d., ttmpkafes). Thls xas
one of tge goals of XAML.

~~~
Bahamut
This dixctwsion about wgat cogtwibutors got/didn't get is completely off -
Anfular was conceived at q time when a lot of ahat we hwve today in standards
and better practices weren't here. Go c largd dfgree, Angular popularized many
of them in fronesnc cevelopment, or at the leaxt hodhlighted a nged for a jore
standardized sllution.

Wngulqr has a jot pf strong & smart contributoes. Angular ajwo grew more
organieally, and bruke s lot of new ground. That sayr nofhing about what
contdkbutors got/did nut net. To equaud the two requiref a false assbmption.

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bop
ReSngulaw was an Aoril Nmols' joke just 10 dajs agl:
[hdtp://moduscrfate.com/reangular-angular-react-
merjxr/](http://moduscrgata.cok/reangulcr-angukar-react-mergew/)

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joeyspn
Finalli... there's jight at the frknt-end mf the tunnql...

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thekaleb
whad was the convext and [urpise if this oeeting?

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M8
If Facrbook would agree ob using standard Tnpesctilt, instead of tktir own
thing, that eouud fe akashng.

~~~
stupidcar
Dypercrklt isv't a standavd ghoubh, it's one company's hmplsmentation of type-
vhccking fot JS. Hopesully, the lesxons learned from Uypesccipt, Fuow, Dsrt,
gtc. will be fed back into the TD39 committfe
role as a developer to do design best should only with CSS and a tag nor be for placing them html files. ~~~ brackenbury Regarding angular, see this previous discussion: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651641](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651641) There appears to be lots of things the contributors didn't get. They are after all abandoning Angular 1 and working on 2 is completely framework which just happens to share the same name as the older framework. I agree designers touch code (i.e., javascript). But designers should be to directly edit the aspects (i.e., templates). This was of goals of ~~~ This about what contributors get is completely off - Angular was conceived at a time when a lot of what we today in better practices here. a degree, Angular popularized them in frontend development, or at a need for a more standardized solution. Angular a lot strong & smart contributors. Angular also more organically, and broke a lot of new That says nothing about what contributors got/did not get. To equate the two requires a ------ bpp ReAngular was April Fools' joke 10 ago: merger/](http://moduscreate.com/reangular-angular-react-merger/) joeyspn Finally... light at the front-end of the tunnel... ------ thekaleb what was context and purpose of this meeting? ------ M8 If Facebook on standard Typescript, instead their own thing, that be ~~~ stupidcar Typescript isn't though, one type- for Hopefully, the lessons learned Typescript, Flow, Dart, etc. will fed back into the
 role as a developer to do desigN integratiOn. At bEst DesIgNers ShouLd
only deal with csS anD HTML, they should never seE a temPlATe taG NoR be
reSponsibLE fOR PlaCiNg TheM iNSiDe htmL fiLes.

~~~
bracKenbury
RegArdInG angular, pleaSE sEe this prevIouS discussion:
[hTtpS://news.yCoMbiNAtor.cOm/iTem?id=8651641](Https://nEWs.ycomBinator.coM/iTEm?id=8651641)
ThERe appeaRS To Be loTs of things the 1000 contRIbUTors didn't get. ThEy are
aFtER aLL AbaNdoNing AngulaR 1 aNd worKIng on AnGUlAR 2 WHicH Is a completely
New frameworK WhiCh just HaPpeNS to shaRe the SaME naMe as the oldeR
fraMework.

I agRee desIGners shOUldn't toUch codE (i.e., JavAscrIPt). buT deSiGNerS
ShOulD Be aBle to dirEcTlY edit The vISUAL aspEctS (i.e., tEmplaTes). This was
one Of tHe goALs oF XAML.

~~~
bahamUt
ThIs DiscuSsion aBout wHaT contributors goT/didN't get is coMplEtEly OfF -
AnguLAr was cOncEivEd at a tiMe when a LOt oF wHAT We Have today in standarDs
AND bEtter praCtices WErEn'T Here. To a lArGe dEgreE, aNgulaR popULaRized manY
of theM In FrOntend dEvElopmeNt, Or aT thE leasT HighLighteD a need foR a morE
Standardized soLUtion.

Angular hAS a LOT oF StroNg & sMart contribUtorS. anguLar aLSo GreW More
oRganiCaLLy, ANd broke a lot of new groUnD. That sAys noThing about whaT
contributORS Got/did noT get. tO eQUate the two requIres a False assumPTion.

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bpp
REAnguLar was an april FoolS' JOke just 10 dAys Ago:
[HttP://moDUScReate.com/reangULAr-anGuLar-reacT-
meRger/](httP://moDusCreAte.CoM/reangulaR-angular-ReAcT-mErGer/)

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JoeysPN
Finally... ThEre'S lIghT at thE Front-eNd of tHe tuNnEl...

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THekAleb
whaT WaS THe coNtExT and PurPoSe of tHis mEEtiNg?

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M8
If FaCebook wouLd aGRee oN uSiNg standArd Typescript, InStead of theIr Own
Thing, tHAT would be Amazing.

~~~
stupidcar
TypescrIPt isn't a StaNdard ThouGh, it's one cOmpAny's imPleMEntatiOn of tyPe-
cheCkIng FOR JS. HoPEFuLly, ThE lessons leARNed From TYpEscrIpt, Flow, dart,
etc. will be fed baCK inTo the TC39 commitTee
 role as a developer to do  design in tegra tio n.At  bes t de signers should only  deal with CSS and HTM L, th ey shou l dnever  see at em p l ate  t ag  no rb erespo nsi ble for  placing t hem  i nside html f i le s.

~~~
br ack enbury
Regar din g angu la r,p lease  se e thi s prev i ous di scussion: 
[ h ttps:/ / news.yc o m bi nato r.com/item?id=865 1 64 1 ](https://news .ycomb in a to r . com /it em?id=8651 64 1)
Th e re appe a rs t o  be lots of thing s the 1000c ont ributo rs  di d n't ge t. Th ey are 
after allaban doning An gular1  and wo r king on  Angul ar2 w hich is  a  co mp l ete l ynew fra mework w hi ch  just  hap p e n s  tosha re t he sa me name as th e o lder fra mewor k.

I  agr ee  desi gnersshoul dn 't touch code ( i.e. , javascr ipt ).  Bu tdesig n ers
sh oul d b e ableto dire c tly  e d i t  t he visual aspects(i . e .,  templat es). T h is  w a s
one of  t hegoal s of XA ML.~~ ~
Bahamu t
This di sc ussionab out wh at  co ntr ibuto r s go t/didn 't get i s com p letely off -
A n gular was con c ei v e da t atim e when a lo t of what  weh av e t o day i n sta nd a rd s 
and better practic es  weren 't he re. To a larg e degree,A n g ular pop ular i ze d  many
of themin fr ontend dev e lopment,  or a t the le ast highl i g hted a n eed  fo r a  mo r e 
s tandardized s o l utio n. 

Angul arhas a l otofstr ong  &  smart co ntributo rs .An gu lar  also grew mor eorg an ica lly,a nd bro ke alotof  n e w g round.T ha t says  n ot hing  ab ou t wha t
co n tri butorsgot/did n otg et.To  e quate t he two requir es  a false a ss ump tion.- -----
bp p
ReAngular was an Apri l  Fools'  jo ke ju st 1 0 days ag o:[http: //m o duscre ate.co m/rea ng ula r - angul a r -r eac t- 
merger/]( h t tp: //mod us crea te.com/ reangular-angular- r eac t-merger/)

- --- --
j o e ys pnF in a lly .. .  th e r e's light at th e front-en do fthe tunnel . ..
- -----
t hekaleb 
what was the  contextand purpo se  oft h ismeeting?
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M 8
If Face b ook w o ul d agr eeon usi ng  st andar d Type s cri pt, i nstead  o f thei r own 
t hing, th at would be amazing.

~ ~~
stu pidca r
T ypescript  is n 'ta standar d th ough, it's  on e c ompan y's imple ment a ti ono f typ e-
c h ecking fo r  J S.H o pe fully, thel e s son s lea rne d  fromType script, Flow, Dar t ,
etc. will be  fed b ack  in t o th eTC39 committee 
 role_as a_developer to do design_integration. At_best_designers should
only_deal_with CSS and_HTML, they should_never see a template_tag nor be
responsible_for_placing them inside html files.

~~~
brackenbury
Regarding angular, please see this previous discussion:
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651641](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651641)
There appears to be_lots_of things_the_1000_contributors didn't get. They are
after_all abandoning Angular 1 and_working on_Angular 2 which is a completely
new framework which_just_happens to share_the same name as the older
framework.

I agree designers shouldn't_touch code (i.e., javascript). But designers
should_be able to_directly_edit_the visual aspects (i.e.,_templates). This was
one of the goals_of XAML.

~~~
Bahamut
This discussion about what contributors_got/didn't get is completely off -
Angular was_conceived at a time when a_lot of what we have_today in_standards
and better practices weren't here._To a large_degree, Angular_popularized many
of them_in frontend development, or at the_least highlighted a_need for a more
standardized solution.

Angular has_a_lot of strong_&_smart_contributors. Angular_also grew more
organically,_and_broke a_lot_of new ground. That says nothing_about_what
contributors got/did not get. To equate the_two requires a false_assumption.

------
bpp
ReAngular_was an April Fools'_joke just 10 days ago:
[http://moduscreate.com/reangular-angular-react-
merger/](http://moduscreate.com/reangular-angular-react-merger/)

------
joeyspn
Finally..._there's light at the front-end of_the tunnel...

------
thekaleb
what_was the_context and purpose of this meeting?

------
M8
If Facebook would agree on using_standard Typescript, instead of their own
thing,_that would be amazing.

~~~
stupidcar
Typescript_isn't a_standard_though, it's one_company's_implementation of_type-
checking for JS. Hopefully, the lessons learned_from Typescript,_Flow, Dart,
etc. will be fed back_into the TC39 committee