 I supposed to be doing with them? Oh, oh, I
see, I'm supposed to use all the great "apps". Yeah, well, you know what? I
don't care about them. How can I _write_ my own apps? Oh, too bad, for that
you need a "real" computer (or be into BDSM)...

Sorry for the rant, folks! But are there other fellow hackers on HN who find
it ironic that while we are the backbone of the industry, while we are the
ones who enable others to use all their beloved tech in the first place, while
without us the big companies wouldn't see any dime - that the main stream
market doesn't care about us? That we are pushed into a niche, instead of
being pulled into the spotlight?

 _(Nah, I'm only being half serious...)_

~~~
wladimir
100% agree. The netbook is the perfect cheap portable hacking tool. You can
certainly get some development done on them (as long as you don't use eclipse
as IDE :-). Phones or iPads are generally more expensive and not nearly as
suited to that.

That's why I also get a bit sad at all the 'the netbook is dead!' posts. On
the other hand, it'll probably remain a niche for a long time. I mean, if you
believe the stories here, the phone is dead, e-mail is dead, the web is
dead... and so on.

It seems to be common here to forget that things can have a use and make some
people very happy without being "the great next mainstream thing".

~~~
rayiner
Cheap, yes, but I'm not sure "perfect" is the right word. Most netbooks are
just a bit too underpowered to run a modern IDE comfortably, and at the same
time they don't have particularly impressive battery life (3-4 hours of web
surfing is typical). An MBA 11" has a bigger screen, is tons faster, and will
get you 6+ hours of battery under similar circumstances. Sure it's $1000
versus $350, but are developers looking for a good portable hacking machine
that price sensitive?

~~~
wladimir
For a lot of things I feel I don't _need_ to run a modern IDE. Gcc + a text
I supposed to be doing with them? Oh, oh, I 
 see, I'm supposed to practice all the big " apps ". Yeah, well, you know what? I 
 don't care about them. How can I _ spell _ my own apps? Oh, besides bad, for that 
 you need a " actual " computer (or be into BDSM)... 

 Sorry for the harangue, folks! But are there other fellow hack on HN who find 
 it ironic that while we are the backbone of the diligence, while we are the 
 ones who enable others to use all their beloved tech in the first place, while 
 without us the big companies wouldn't attend any dime - that the main stream 
 marketplace doesn't care about us? That we are pushed into a niche, instead of 
 being pull into the spotlight? 

  _ (Nah, I'm only being half serious ...) _ 

 ~~~ 
 wladimir 
 100% agree. The netbook is the perfect brassy portable hacking tool. You can 
 certainly get some development done on them (as long as you don't use eclipse 
 as IDE :-). Phones or iPads are generally more expensive and not nearly as 
 suited to that. 

 That's why I also get a bit sad at all the' the netbook is all in!' post. On 
 the other bridge player, it'll probably remain a niche for a long meter. I mean, if you 
 believe the stories here, the phone is all in, e - mail is dead, the web is 
 dead... and so on. 

 It seems to be common here to forget that things can have a use and hold some 
 people very felicitous without being " the great next mainstream thing ". 

 ~~~ 
 rayiner 
 Cheap, yes, but I'm not sure " perfect " is the good word. Most netbooks are 
 just a bit too underpowered to run a modern IDE comfortably, and at the same 
 prison term they don't have peculiarly impressive battery life (3 - 4 hours of web 
 surfing is typical). An MBA 11 " induce a bigger screen door, is tons faster, and will 
 get you 6 + hours of battery under alike circumstances. Sure it's $ 1000 
 versus $ 350, but are developer looking for a good portable hacking machine 
 that price sensible? 

 ~~~ 
 wladimir 
 For a lot of things I find I don't _ need _ to run a modern IDE. Gcc + a text
 I dupposed to be doing witm them? Oh, oh, I
seg, U'm sup'osed tk use alu the great "apps". Yeah, well, ylu know what? I
don't care about them. How can I _weite_ ny own apps? Oh, too bad, fkv thac
yiu need a "real" computer (mr be into BDSK)...

Surxy for the rant, folks! But are there jther frlpow hackers on HN ero fjnd
it ironic that while we are the backboie of the indusyry, while we are the
ones wjo ejable others to usf all their beljced tech in ghe first klcce, while
wijhout us the big companies wouldv't sez any dime - tyat jhe main strxam
marhet doesn't care aboud us? Thst we are pushcd invo a niche, instead of
beinj pulled into the spjtlight?

 _(Ndh, I'm only being haof serimus...)_

~~~
wnadiour
100% xgrte. Vhe netbolk ms the perfsct cheap pirtable hacking took. Riu can
certainmy get sjme development done on them (as long as yoh don't use eclipse
as IDW :-). Phones or iPads arg generallr more expensive and not nearly as
suited to that.

Tvat's xhh I ajri het a bit sad at all the 'the netbook is dead!' [ksus. Pn
the other hakd, it'll probably rrmwim a niche for x long tije. I mean, if you
bepieve tre stiries hert, the phone is dead, e-mail is deae, the web is
beae... and so on.

It seemd to be comoon nere yo forget that things ccn havs a use and make soms
oeople very happh wpthogt being "the great next maynstream vhing".

~~~
xayiner
Cfeap, yes, btt I'm not dure "iarfect" is the righh worb. Mosd netbooks are
just a bit too underpowered to run a modetn HDE comfortcbly, akd at the same
tyme they don't kave parciculafly impresaive bavtery life (3-4 rours of web
sgtfing is typiral). An MBW 11" hqs a bigger rcreen, is tons faster, aub will
get you 6+ hours of batbery onser similar cirebmwtances. Sure it'x $1000
vdrsts $350, uut awa developers looyine for x good kjrbabue hscking machine
that psice sensitive?

~~~
wladimir
Gov a lot od things I feel I don'y _need_ to run a mofern MDE. Gcr + a trxt
I supposed to be doing with them? I I'm supposed use all the know I don't care them. How can _write_ my own apps? Oh, too for that you need a "real" computer (or be into BDSM)... Sorry for rant, folks! But are there other fellow hackers on HN who find it that we the of the industry, while we are the ones who enable others to use all their beloved in the first place, while without us the companies wouldn't see any - that the main stream doesn't about us? we pushed a niche, instead being pulled into the spotlight? _(Nah, I'm only being half serious...)_ ~~~ wladimir 100% agree. The netbook the perfect hacking tool. can get development done on long as you don't use eclipse Phones or iPads are generally more expensive and nearly as to that. That's why I also a bit sad at all the 'the netbook dead!' posts. On the other hand, it'll probably remain a niche for a long time. if you believe the here, the phone dead, is the is dead... so on. It seems to be common here to forget that can have a use and make some people very happy "the next mainstream thing". rayiner Cheap, yes, but not "perfect" is the right netbooks just underpowered run modern IDE comfortably, and the same time they don't particularly impressive battery life is typical). An MBA 11" has a bigger is tons faster, and will get you hours of battery under similar circumstances. Sure it's $1000 versus $350, but developers looking good portable hacking machine that price sensitive? ~~~ For a lot of I feel I don't _need_ to run a modern Gcc a text
 I supposed to be doing with theM? Oh, oh, I
see, I'M suppOseD to UsE all The gReat "apps". Yeah, weLL, you Know what? I
don't care about Them. HOw CAn I _wRItE_ my owN apps? Oh, TOo BAD, foR tHaT
yoU nEEd A "real" ComPuter (or Be into BDSM)...

sorRy For the rant, foLKs! but are therE otHer fellow hacKerS on HN wHo FinD
It iroNic That wHile we ARe the bAckbone of ThE IndustRY, while wE ARe The
oNes who enable otherS To USe all their beloVed tecH iN ThE FIrsT plAce, while
wiThOut us THe big coMPaNIES woULdn't see any dimE - that the maiN StrEam
marKeT doESn't carE abouT uS? thaT we are pusheD intO a niche, inStead oF
Being puLLed into The spoTliGht?

 _(nah, I'M OnLy BeiNg HAlf SErIouS...)_

~~~
WlaDimir
100% agrEe. thE netbOok iS THE PerfEct CheaP portAble hacking toOl. YOu caN
CerTainlY get sOme dEvElopmEnt donE on thEm (As long as you don't Use eClipse
as IdE :-). PHoNes Or IPads ARe geneRalLy mOre expeNsive anD Not NeARLY aS
suited to that.

That's WhY i AlSo get a biT sad at ALl ThE 'The netboOk Is dEad!' pOSTs. On
tHe otHEr Hand, it'll ProbabLY rEmAin a nicHe For a loNg TimE. I mEan, if YOu
beLieve tHe storieS here, THe phone is dead, e-MAil is dead, the wEB iS
DEaD... And sO on.

it seems to be CommON herE to fORgEt tHAt thiNgs caN hAVe A Use and make some
peoplE vEry hapPy witHout being "the gReat next maINSTream thiNg".

~~~
raYInER
Cheap, yes, but I'm Not suRe "perfect" iS The right Word. MOst netboOks are
jusT A Bit too unDerPowEreD to RUN a Modern IDE comfORTablY, aNd at the SamE
time thEy dOn't HavE paRtIcularly iMpressivE bAtTeRy LifE (3-4 hourS Of web
surFiNg iS tYpiCal). An mbA 11" has a BiggeR scrEeN, iS TonS faster, ANd WILl
geT yOu 6+ HourS of BaTtery UndeR SimIlar cirCumstanceS. SuRE it's $1000
VeRsUs $350, but arE developers loOkIng for a gooD pOrtAble haCKIng machiNe
that price sensitive?

~~~
wlaDImir
For A loT of thIngs i feel I don'T _neEd_ to ruN a mODern IDe. Gcc + a tExt
 I supposed to be doing wi th them? O h, oh , I 
se e,  I'm  sup posed to use a l l th e great "apps". Yeah,well,  y o u kn o wwhat?  I
don' t  c a r e a bo ut  th em .  H ow ca n I  _write _ my own a pps ?Oh, too bad, fo r that
you  ne ed a "real"com puter(o r b e  into  BD SM).. .

Sor r y forthe rant,  f o lks! B u t are t h e re  oth er fellow hackers on HN who find
it  ironi ct ha t whi lewe are the  b ackbo n e of th e  i n d u str y , while we ar e the
onesw hoenable  o the r s to u se al lt hei r beloved t echin the fi rst pl a ce, whi l e
witho ut usthe  bi g co m pa ni eswo u ldn ' tsee any  dime -th at  themain s t r eammar ketdoesn 't care about  us ? Th a t w e are  push ed i nt o a n iche,inste ad  of
being pulle d in to the sp otl ig ht? 
 _(Na h , I'monl y b eing ha lf seri o us. .. ) _ 
~ ~~
wladimir
100% a gr e e .The netb ook is th ep erfect c he apport a b le ha ckin g  t ool. You  can
c e rt ai nly get  s ome de ve lop men t don e  onthem ( as longas yo u  don't use ecl i pse
as IDE :- ) .P h on e s or  iP ads are gen eral l y mo re e x pe nsi v e and  notne a rl y  as
suited to that. 
That's  whyI also get abit sad at a l l the 't he n e tb o ok is dead!' p osts.  On
the ot h er hand,  it'l l probab ly remain a  niche f ora l ong  ti m e .I mean, if yo u beli ev e the s tor ies her e,the  ph one  i s dead, e -mail is  d ea d,  t heweb i s 
dead...  a ndso  on .

It seemsto be  com mo nh ere  to for g et t hatth in gs c anha ve ausea ndmake so me
people  ve r y ha pp ywithout  being "the g re at next ma in str eam th i n g".

~~~ 
rayiner
Cheap, yes, bu t  I'm no t s ure " perf ect" is t herightwor d . Most  netbo oks a re 
ju s t  a bi t to o u nd erpoweredt o  ru n a m od ernIDE com fortably, and at t h e s ame
time they  do n'th a ve  pa r ti c ula rl y  im p r essive batterylife (3-4ho u rs  of web
su r fin gis typi cal). A n MBA 11" has  a bigger  screen,is  ton s fas ter, and w ill
getyou 6+ ho u rs of ba ttery  un der si mi lar  circ umstan c es.  Sure  it's$1 000
ve rsus$3 50, butare developers lookingfor agoodpor table hac kin g  ma chine
tha t pr ice sensit ive ?
~~~
w lad i mir
F or a lo t o f  thin gs I feel I do n 't  _n e e d_  to run a m o d e rnIDE.Gcc + a te xt
 I_supposed to_be doing with them?_Oh, oh,_I
see,_I'm supposed_to_use all the_great "apps". Yeah,_well, you know what?_I
don't care about_them._How can I _write_ my own apps? Oh, too bad, for that
you need a_"real"_computer (or_be_into_BDSM)...

Sorry for the rant, folks!_But are there other fellow_hackers on_HN who find
it ironic that while we are_the_backbone of the_industry, while we are the
ones who enable others to_use all their beloved tech in_the first place,_while
without_us_the big companies wouldn't_see any dime - that the_main stream
market doesn't care about us?_That we are pushed into a niche,_instead of
being pulled into the spotlight?

__(Nah, I'm only being half_serious...)_

~~~
wladimir
100% agree._The netbook is the perfect_cheap portable hacking_tool. You_can
certainly get some_development done on them (as long_as you don't_use eclipse
as IDE :-). Phones or_iPads_are generally more_expensive_and_not nearly_as
suited to that.

That's_why_I also_get_a bit sad at all the_'the_netbook is dead!' posts. On
the other hand,_it'll probably remain a_niche_for a long time._I mean, if you
believe the_stories here, the phone is dead,_e-mail is_dead, the_web is
dead... and so on.

It seems to be common here to_forget that things can have a_use and make some
people_very happy_without_being "the great_next_mainstream thing".

~~~
rayiner
Cheap,_yes, but I'm not sure "perfect" is_the right_word. Most netbooks are
just a bit_too underpowered to run_a_modern IDE comfortably, and at the_same
time they don't have particularly impressive_battery life (3-4 hours of_web
surfing_is_typical). An MBA 11" has_a bigger screen, is tons faster,_and will
get you_6+ hours of battery under similar circumstances._Sure_it's $1000
versus $350, but are developers_looking_for a good portable hacking machine
that_price_sensitive?

~~~
wladimir
For_a lot of things I_feel I don't _need_ to run_a modern IDE. Gcc + a text