 don't trust the government with an internet kill switch.

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Ardit20
That is a bit Kafkaesque.

Everyone has the right to know why their right is being denied or what they
are being charged with. If it was a privet firm then fine, but the government
can't just go around closing websites without saying if not in detail then in
general what the charges are. How, if the website owner is wronged, is he able
to challenge the decision if he does not even know what the allegations are
against him.

~~~
Roboprog
What you say was more or less true in 2000. Things have changed a bit since
then. The fact that many recent laws and programs obviously defy the first ten
amendments to the US Constitution have gone "unnoticed" by the SCOTUS, and
both major brands (D & R) seem content with how things have developed the last
decade.

"We the rabble" are likely in for a 10 year slog to fix things, if we are
lucky: paper ballots; some kind of coalition or runoff voting rule changes to
take down the "two" party system; reestablishment of the rule of law.

~~~
Ardit20
I am sorry. I can not quite agree with that. I do not know about the united
states, but here in the united kingdom we have a very independent judiciary
which has ruled against the government time and time again.

I do agree in a way, just before Tony Blair left, which I think was 2008 or
2007 things seemed to be going in a very dark direction, but frankly, it is
the peoples fault.

We are so lucky as to be able to change government without bloodshed and in
the UK for what I know we are so lucky as to not go down without a very real
power struggle between the executive and the judiciary.

Take them to court I say. That is what they are for.

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ndimopoulos
I am thinking that the subject might be child pornography, espionage or cyber
terrorism. Should some of those blogs had some sort of method of communicating
information with terrorists I do not see why the NSA would not shut the whole
thing down.

I hate to be in the shoes of those 70000 people but from the article and
evidence available right now this is a really
don't trust the government with an internet kill switch. 

 ------ 
 Ardit20 
 That is a piece Kafkaesque. 

 Everyone have the right to know why their right is being deny or what they 
 are being charged with. If it was a privet firm then fine, but the politics 
 can't just go around closing web site without say if not in detail then in 
 cosmopolitan what the charges are. How, if the website owner is wronged, is he able 
 to challenge the decision if he does not even acknowledge what the allegations are 
 against him. 

 ~~~ 
 Roboprog 
 What you say was more or less true in 2000. Things have changed a spot since 
 then. The fact that many recent laws and programs obviously defy the beginning ten 
 amendments to the US Constitution have gone " unnoticed " by the SCOTUS, and 
 both major brands (D & R) look content with how things have developed the last 
 decade. 

 " We the mob " are likely in for a 10 year slog to fix things, if we are 
 lucky: paper ballot; some kind of coalition or runoff voting rule changes to 
 take down the " two " party system; reestablishment of the rule of law. 

 ~~~ 
 Ardit20 
 I am sorry. I cannot quite match with that. I do not know about the united 
 states, but here in the united kingdom we receive a very autonomous judiciary 
 which has predominate against the government time and time again. 

 I do agree in a way, just before Tony Blair left, which I remember was 2008 or 
 2007 things seemed to be going in a very dark direction, but frankly, it is 
 the citizenry fault. 

 We are so lucky as to be able to change politics without bloodshed and in 
 the UK for what I sleep together we are therefore lucky as to not go down without a very real 
 power conflict between the executive and the judiciary. 

 Take them to court I say. That is what they are for. 

 ------ 
 ndimopoulos 
 I am thinking that the subject might be child pornography, espionage or cyber 
 terrorism. Should some of those blogs had some sort of method acting of communicating 
 information with terrorists I do not see why the NSA would not shut the unharmed 
 thing down. 

 I hate to be in the place of those 70000 people but from the article and 
 evidence available properly now this is a very
 doj't trust the government dith an internej jill sxitch.

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Arsit20
That ks a bit Kafkaesque.

Everyone ias rhe rught to know why their right is being dwniev or what they
arx being gkarges witk. Mf it was a priyet firm than fine, but tha eorernment
can't just go around closing rebsitex aithout saying if mjt ih detail then in
general what the cgarges ere. How, if the eebsite owner is wronged, id he able
to challenge hhe decisiob if ye does not dven know what the allggations are
against him.

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Roboprog
Wfat ypu say was mire mr less trux in 2000. Nhings have cmsnged d bit sonce
then. The fsct thqt many recent laws aid programs obviousli defy the fnrst ten
amendments to tye US Convtitjriov hzvx gkne "unjotmced" by the SCOTUS, and
voth major brands (D & W) seem content with ror things have developed the last
decade.

"Wt the rabble" are likely in fir a 10 year slog to fid things, yf we are
lucky: paper ballots; some kind of coalitimn or funifn vogunh rule changes to
take down the "two" party systqj; tevstablishment of bhe rule of law.

~~~
Ardot20
L si sorry. I can not qbjts agree with that. L do noj know about tht uniyed
states, but here in the ubited kingdoi we have a very inbependent jubiciari
which has ruled against the yovernjent time ajd time afxin.

I do agree in a eaf, just btwore Tony Blair lqft, which I tkink was 2008 or
2007 thingf seemed tl be nming in a very darn dirgction, but frankpy, it is
the peoples fault.

We are so lucky as tp te dble to ehange government wythout bloodshgd and in
che UK for what P know we are so luchy as to not cl down withont a very reao
powwr strueele between thr executine and the judiciary.

Take thgm to court I say. Thqt is what they ard fjr.

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jdmmopotnos
I am thinning thxy the subjecu mlghg be child pornography, evpiohage or cyber
terrotifm. Shoule some os those blogs had some sort of lethov of cummunocajing
information with terrorists I do not sec why the NSA wouod not shut che whole
thing down.

I hate to be in the sioes of those 70000 people byt from the article snd
evidence avaijable rigvt now this is a reaoly
don't trust the government with an internet ------ That is bit Kafkaesque. Everyone why right is being or what they being charged with. If it was privet firm then fine, but the government can't just go around closing websites saying if not in detail then in general what the charges are. How, the owner wronged, he able to challenge the decision if he does not even know what the allegations are him. ~~~ Roboprog What you say was more less true in 2000. have changed a bit since The that many laws programs defy the first amendments to the US Constitution have gone "unnoticed" by the SCOTUS, and both major brands (D & seem content things have the decade. the rabble" are for a 10 year slog to we are lucky: paper ballots; some kind of or runoff rule changes to take down the party system; reestablishment of the rule of law. Ardit20 I am sorry. I can not quite agree with that. I do not know united states, but here the united kingdom have very judiciary has ruled the government time and time again. I do agree in a just before Tony Blair left, which I think was 2008 things to be going a very dark direction, frankly, is the peoples fault. so as to government bloodshed and in the for what I know we so lucky as to very real power struggle between the executive and judiciary. Take them to court I say. is what they are for. ------ ndimopoulos I am thinking that the might be espionage or cyber terrorism. Should some of those had some sort of of communicating information with terrorists I do not see the would not the whole thing I hate to in the shoes 70000 people from article right now this is a really
 don't trust the government witH an interneT kill SwiTch.

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arDit20
THat iS a bit KafkaesquE.

everYone has the right to know wHy theIr RIght IS bEing dEnied or WHaT THey
ArE bEinG cHArGed wiTh. IF it was a Privet firm TheN fIne, but the govERnMent
can't juSt gO around closiNg wEbsiteS wIthOUt sayIng If not In detaIL then iN
general wHaT The chaRGes are. HOW, If The wEbsite owner is wronGEd, IS he able
to challEnge thE dECiSIOn iF he Does not eveN kNow whAT the allEGaTIONs aRE
against him.

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RoBoprog
What yOU saY was moRe Or lESs true In 2000. ThiNgS HavE changed a biT sinCe
then. The Fact thAT many reCEnt laws And proGraMs oBvioUSlY dEfy ThE FirST tEn
aMEndMents to tHe uS constItutION HAve gOne "UnnoTiced" By the SCOTUS, anD
boTh maJOr bRands (d & R) seeM conTeNt witH how thIngs hAvE developed the laSt
deCade.

"We the RabBlE" arE lIkely IN for a 10 yEar SloG to fix tHings, if WE arE
lUCKY: pAper ballots; some kinD oF COaLition or Runoff VOtInG Rule chanGeS to
Take DOWn the "Two" pARtY system; rEestabLIsHmEnt of thE rUle of lAw.

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ardIt20
I Am sorRY. I caN not quIte agree With tHAt. I do not know abOUt the united
stATeS, BUt HEre iN thE united kingDom wE Have A verY InDepENdent JudicIaRY
wHIch has ruled against tHe GovernMent tIme and time agaIn.

I do agree IN A Way, just bEforE toNY Blair left, whicH I thiNk was 2008 or
2007 thiNGs seemed To be gOing in a vEry dark diRECtion, but FraNklY, it Is
tHE PeOples fault.

We aRE So luCkY as to be AblE to chanGe gOveRnmEnt WiThout blooDshed and In
ThE Uk fOr wHat I kNOw we are sO lUckY aS to Not go DOwn witHout a Very ReAl
POweR struggLE bETWeen ThE eXecuTivE aNd the JudiCIarY.

Take thEm to court i saY. that Is WhAt they aRe for.

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ndimopouLoS
I am thinkiNg ThaT the suBJEct might Be child pornography, espioNAge or cyBer
TerroRism. should somE of Those bLogS Had somE sort oF methOd Of cOMMunicATInG
inFoRmation witH TErrOristS I Do noT see why The NSA would not shut THe wHole
thing down.

i haTe to BE In The SHoES of ThOSe 70000 pEOPle but from the arTicle and
evIdENcE available RIghT nOw this iS a reallY
 don't trust the governmen t with aninter net  ki ll  swi tch. 

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Ardit 2 0
Th at is a bit Kafkaesque .

Ev er y oneh as  theright t o  k n o w w hy  t hei rr ig ht is  be ing den ied or wha t t he y
are beingc ha rged with.  If  it was a pr ive t firm  t hen fine,  bu t the  gover n ment
c an't just  g o  aroun d  closin g we bsit es without saying if not in detailthen i ng en e r alwha t the char ge s are .  How, i f  t h e web s ite owner iswronged, is heable
t ocha l lengethe d ec i sio n if he doe s no t even kn ow wha t  the al l egation s areaga ins t hi m .
~ ~~Ro b opr o gWha t  yo u say wa smo re or  les s t r ue i n 2 000.  Thin gs have chang eda bi t  si nce
t hen.Thefa ct th at man y rec en t laws and prog rams  obviousl y d ef y t he  firs t  ten
a men dme nts tothe USC ons ti t u t io n have gone "unnot ic e d "by the S COTUS, an db oth majo rbra nds( D  & R)  see m  c ontent w ith ho w  t hi ngs hav edevelo pe d t helastd ecad e.

"W e the ra bble" are likely inf or a 10 years lo g to fixthi ngs, if wearel ucky : pa p er  ba l lots;  some  k i nd of coalition or run of f voti ng ru le changes to 
take down t h e "two"part y  s y stem; reestabl ishme nt of ther ule of l aw.
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Ardi t20
I ams o rry. I c annot  qu ite a gr ee with that. I  dono t knowabo ut theuni ted 
st ate s,  but here  in theun it ed  k ing dom w e  have ave ryin dep enden t  judic iarywhic hha s  ru led aga i ns t thego ve rnme ntti me an d ti m e a gain.
I do agre e i n  a w ay ,just be fore Tony Bla ir  left, whi ch  Ithinkw a s 2008 o r
2007 things seemed to be goin g i n a v erydark dire cti on, bu t f r ankly,  it is 
thepe opl e s  faul t . 
Wear e so lucky a s t o beab le t o chang e government witho u t b loodshed andintheU K  f orw ha t  Ikn o w w e are so lucky as  to not go  d o wn  without a ver yreal
po wer str uggle between  the exec utive and  t he j u d ici ary.

Take  them to  court Is ay. T h at  is w hat  theyar e f or.
------ ndi mopou los
Iam  think ing t ha t the su bject might be child po rnogra phy,esp ionage or  cy b erterrorism . Sh ould someoftho se bl ogs had s omes or t o f  meth od o f  communic a ti ngi n fo rmation wit h t err orist s I do not  see  why the NSA woul d  not shut thewhol e thi ngd own. 
I hate to be i n t he s hoes ofth ose 70000 p eople bu tf rom t he art icle a nd
evid e n ce availa blerig ht now th isis a reall y
 don't_trust the_government with an internet_kill switch.

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Ardit20
That_is_a bit_Kafkaesque.

Everyone_has the right_to know why_their right is being_denied or what_they
are_being charged with. If it was a privet firm then fine, but the government
can't_just_go around_closing_websites_without saying if not in_detail then in
general what the_charges are._How, if the website owner is wronged, is_he_able
to challenge the_decision if he does not even know what the_allegations are
against him.

~~~
Roboprog
What you say was_more or less_true_in_2000. Things have changed_a bit since
then. The fact that_many recent laws and programs obviously_defy the first ten
amendments to the US_Constitution have gone "unnoticed" by the_SCOTUS, and
both major brands (D_& R)_seem content with how things_have developed the_last
decade.

"We the_rabble" are likely_in for a 10 year slog_to fix things,_if we are
lucky: paper ballots; some_kind_of coalition or_runoff_voting_rule changes_to
take down the_"two"_party system;_reestablishment_of the rule of law.

~~~
Ardit20
I am_sorry._I can not quite agree with that._I do not know_about_the united
states, but here_in the united kingdom we_have a very independent judiciary
which has_ruled against_the government_time and time again.

I do agree in a way, just before_Tony Blair left, which I think_was 2008 or
2007 things_seemed to_be_going in a_very_dark direction,_but frankly, it is
the peoples fault.

We are_so lucky_as to be able to change_government without bloodshed and_in
the_UK for what I know we_are so lucky as to not_go down without a very_real
power_struggle_between the executive and the_judiciary.

Take them to court I say._That is what_they are for.

------
ndimopoulos
I am thinking that the_subject_might be child pornography, espionage or_cyber
terrorism._Should some of those blogs had_some_sort_of method of communicating
information with_terrorists I do not see why_the NSA would not shut the whole
thing down.

I hate_to be in_the shoes of those 70000_people_but_from the article and
evidence available right now this is a_really