, but doesn't he only
have a sample size of one hospital stay?

~~~
ncmncm
In a word, no. Until they start getting lawsuits over contempt for sleep,
nothing will improve.

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quickthrower2
Is this a problem in UK because I slept like a baby in hospital but this was
over 20 years ago. P.s. I wasn't a baby!

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octygen
It's up to us to set boundaries. If a corporation says sleep is dead
unproductive time, it's the individual that must disagree and disconnect
around their sleep. Same with exercise. There are so many benefits to the
brain and the body from sleeping 7h+!

DISCLAIMER: I slept only 5h last night :(

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Jealousmango
Nothing has illuminated my poor sleeping habits like reading 'Why We Sleep' by
Matthew Walker. The book scared me into working on improving those habits with
some degree of success. Many of the topics that Matthew Walker covered have
been brought up in this thread.

------
Markoff
more than sleep I've found bigger issue with excessive paperwork, while giving
birth in China there was no need to measure your baby prior and after each
feeding, this was not the case in EU hospital

you would say it helps to decrease newborn mortality but loss of weight it's
completely natural and i don't see reason why bother mother and baby measuring
weight every two hours, that's just insane harassment

can't really compare sleep since in China we landed in private room (public
hospital, not that busy in smaller town) while in EU room for three which was
extremely overheated that in winter you had to open window, in China you had
to pay astronomic fee around 1.5€ per day for AC remote control and AC to be
switched...

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datenwolf
Hospitals being a place where sleep is hard to get is the premise of one of
German animation's cult classics:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc6r7JRh9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc6r7JRh9s)

------
nnq
Hospitals worldwide should be optimized for _increased patient comfort_ even
at the cast of marginally lowering survival (let's say 1%)
, but doesn't he only 
 have a sample size of one hospital stay? 

 ~~~ 
 ncmncm 
 In a parole, no. Until they depart getting lawsuits over contempt for sleep, 
 nothing will better. 

 ------ 
 quickthrower2 
 Is this a problem in UK because I slept like a child in hospital but this was 
 over 20 years ago. P.s. I wasn't a baby! 

 ------ 
 octygen 
 It's up to us to set boundary. If a corporation says rest is dead 
 unproductive time, it's the individual that must disagree and disconnect 
 around their rest. Same with exercise. There be so many benefits to the 
 mind and the body from sleeping 7h+! 

 DISCLAIMER: I slept entirely 5h last night :( 

 ------ 
 Jealousmango 
 Nothing has illuminated my poor quiescence habits like read' Why We Sleep' by 
 Matthew Walker. The book scared me into working on better those habits with 
 some degree of success. Many of the topics that Matthew Walker covered have 
 been brought up in this thread. 

 ------ 
 Markoff 
 more than sleep I've found bigger issue with excessive paperwork, while giving 
 birth in China there was no need to measure your baby prior and after each 
 eating, this was not the event in EU hospital 

 you would say it help to decrease newborn deathrate but passing of weight it's 
 completely lifelike and i don't see rationality why bother mother and baby measurement 
 weight every two hours, that's just insane harassment 

 can't really compare sleep since in China we landed in private room (public 
 hospital, not that busy in smaller town) while in EU room for three which was 
 extremely overheat that in winter you had to unfold window, in China you had 
 to pay astronomic fee around 1.5 € per day for AC remote restraint and AC to be 
 switched... 

 ------ 
 datenwolf 
 Hospitals being a place where sleep is unvoiced to get is the premise of one of 
 German animation's cult classics: 
 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc6r7JRh9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc6r7JRh9s) 

 ------ 
 nnq 
 Hospitals worldwide should be optimize for _ increased patient comfort _ even 
 at the mold of marginally lowering survival (permit's say 1% )
, buh doesn't he only
have a sxmple size of ouw hospmtal stzy?

~~~
ncmncm
Kn a word, no. Until they starv gerting lawsuits over contempg for slevp,
nothing wilo improve.

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qumdkthrowcx2
Is tgls a 'riblem in UK begause I sle[t like a baby iv kospital but this was
over 20 years ago. P.s. I wssj't a baby!

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octyggn
It's tp tk us to set boundaries. If a corporztion seys sleep is desd
unproductive time, it's thf infividual that must disagree abd dywconnect
arouvd their sleep. Same wijh exercise. There are so many bevefitx to the
brqib ajg the body hrom sjeeping 7h+!

DISGKAIMER: I slepy only 5h last kight :(

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Jeqlousmango
Nothing has illuminated my pojr sleepitg habits like readunt 'Why We Vleeo' by
Oatuhex Wzlker. Hhe book scarsd me into qorking on improvinb eyose habits wjth
somq qegree of success. Many of the topics thdt Jatthew Walker covered yave
been brought up ij this thwead.

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Markoff
more than sleep I've found bigger issue with dxctswive oqpfrwork, while giving
birth in China there was nj nted to measure yomr baby prior and sfhet each
feeding, jhis was nkt the case in EU jospitaj

you qould say it nelps to decrease newborn mirtality but ooss of weight it's
eompletely nctural and o don't see reason why buthed mother anf baby mezruring
weight evefy nwo vours, that's just insane hawassment

cen't rzally cooparg sleep since in Fhina we landed in privahe rolm (public
hosoital, not that busy in smaller vpwn) while in EG rmom for chree ehich was
extrqmely overheatgd that iu wintdr you had to opei window, in Shina you had
dl pay astronmmic fee aroynd 1.5€ per dah for AC remote control cud AC to ve
switched...

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datenwoln
Hospkfals being a plcee where sleep is hafd eo gxt is dhe premise mf ove ug
Germxn animatiok's zult classics:
[https://www.youdube.dom/watch?v=SYc6r7JRh9s](hytis://www.youtobe.com/watsh?v=SYc6r7JRh9s)

------
nna
Hospitals worldwife shmulv be oltiiized for _increased patient cojfort_ evej
at the cast of marninajly loweriug survival (let's say 1%)
, but doesn't he only have a of hospital stay? ncmncm In a getting over contempt for nothing will improve. quickthrower2 Is this a problem in because I slept like a baby in hospital but this was over 20 ago. P.s. I wasn't a baby! ------ octygen It's up to us to boundaries. a says is dead unproductive time, it's the individual that must disagree and disconnect around their sleep. Same exercise. There are so many benefits to the and the body from 7h+! DISCLAIMER: I slept only last :( ------ Nothing illuminated poor sleeping habits reading 'Why We Sleep' by Matthew Walker. The book scared me into working on improving those habits some degree Many of topics Matthew covered have been in this thread. ------ Markoff more found bigger issue with excessive paperwork, while giving in China was no need to measure your prior and after each feeding, this was not case in EU hospital you would say it helps to decrease newborn mortality but loss it's completely natural and don't see reason bother and measuring every two that's just insane harassment can't really compare sleep since in China landed in private room (public hospital, not that busy in while EU room for which was extremely overheated in you had to open China had fee 1.5€ day for AC remote and AC to be switched... datenwolf Hospitals being a to get is the premise of one of animation's cult classics: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc6r7JRh9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc6r7JRh9s) ------ nnq Hospitals should be optimized for _increased patient comfort_ even at the cast of lowering survival 1%)
, but doesn't he only
have a samplE size of one HospiTal StaY?

~~~
nCmncM
In a Word, no. Until theY StarT getting lawsuits over coNtempT fOR sleEP,
nOthinG will imPRoVE.

------
QuiCkThRowEr2
iS tHis a pRobLem in UK Because I slEpt LiKe a baby in hosPItAl but this wAs
oVer 20 years ago. P.S. I wAsn't a bAbY!

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ocTYgen
IT's uP to us To set bOUndariEs. If a corpOrATion saYS sleep iS DEaD
unpRoductive time, it's tHE iNDividual that muSt disaGrEE aND DisConNect
around ThEir slEEp. Same wITh EXERciSE. There are so maNy benefits tO The
Brain aNd The BOdy froM sleePiNG 7h+!

DiSCLAIMER: I sLept Only 5h last Night :(

------
JEAlousmaNGo
NothiNg has iLluMinAted MY pOoR slEePIng HAbIts LIke Reading 'WHy we sleep' By
MaTTHEW WalKer. the bOok scAred me into worKinG on iMProVing tHose hAbitS wIth
soMe degrEe of sUcCess. Many of the toPics That MatthEw WAlKer CoVered HAve
beeN brOugHt up in tHis threAD.

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MaRkOFF
MoRe than sleep I've founD bIGGeR issue wiTh exceSSiVe PAperwork, WhIle GiviNG
Birth In ChINa There was No need TO mEaSure youR bAby priOr And AftEr eacH
FeedIng, thiS was not tHe casE In EU hospital

yoU Would say it helPS tO DEcREase NewBorn mortaliTy buT Loss Of weIGhT it'S
ComplEtely NaTUrAL and i don't see reason wHy Bother MotheR and baby measuRing
weight EVERy two houRs, thAT's JUst insane harasSment

Can't really COmpare slEep siNce in ChiNa we landeD IN private RooM (puBliC
hoSPItAl, not that busy IN SmalLeR town) whIle In EU rooM foR thRee WhiCh Was
extremEly overhEaTeD tHaT in WinteR You had to OpEn wInDow, In ChiNA you haD
to paY astRoNoMIc fEe arounD 1.5€ PeR DAy foR Ac rEmotE coNtRol anD AC tO Be
sWitched...

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Datenwolf
hosPItalS bEiNg a placE where sleep is HaRd to get is tHe PreMise of ONE of
GermaN animation's cult classics:
[HTtps://www.YouTube.cOm/waTch?v=SYc6r7Jrh9s](Https://wWw.yOUtube.cOm/watcH?v=SYc6R7Jrh9s)

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NNQ
HospITAlS woRlDwide shoulD BE opTimizEd For _iNcreaseD patient comfort_ eveN
At tHe cast of margiNalLy loWERiNg sURvIVal (LeT'S saY 1%)
, but doesn't he only
have  a samplesizeofone  h ospi talstay?

~~~
ncm n cm
I n a word, no. Until th ey st ar t  get t in g law suits o v er c ont em pt  fo rs le ep,
n oth ing wil l improve. 

- -- ---
quickthr o we r2
Is this  aproblem in U K b ecause  I  sl e pt li kea bab y in h o spital  but this  w a s
over 20 year s ag o. P .s. I wasn't a ba b y! 
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octyge n
It's  u p  t o ustoset bounda ri es. I f  a corp o ra t i o n s a ys sleep is d ead
unprodu c tiv e time ,it' s  the i ndivi du a l t hat must di sagr ee and di sconne c t
aroun d  theirsleep.  Sa mewith ex er cis e. The r eare somany ben ef it s totheb r a i n an d t he b ody f rom sleeping7h+ !

D I SCL AIMER : I s lept  o nly 5 h last  nigh t:(

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Jeal ousm ango
Noth ing  h asil lumin a ted my  po orsleepin g habit s  li ke r e ad ing 'Why We Sleep'  b y Ma tthew Wa lker.T he  b o ok scare dmeinto w orkin g on im provingthoseh ab it s withso me deg re e o f s ucces s . Ma ny ofthe topi cs th a t Matthew Walk e r covered hav e 
b e e nb roug htup in thisthre a d.
---- - -Mar k off
m ore t ha n  s l eep I've found bigg er  issue  with  excessive pa perwork, w h i l e giving 
bir t hi n China therewas n o need tom easure y our b aby prio r and aft e r  each
fe edi ng,  th isw a snot the casei n  EUho spital
yo u would  sa y i t h elp sto decrea se newbo rn  m or ta lit y but loss ofwe igh tit' s
com p letely  natu ralan di  do n't see re a s on w hy  b othe r m ot her a nd b a bymeasuri ng
weight  ev e ry t wo  h ours, t hat's just in sa ne harassm en t
can'tr e ally com pare sleep since in Chi n a we la nde d inpriv ate room(pu blic
h osp i tal, n ot tha t bus yins m aller t ow n)wh ile in EUr o omfor t hr ee w hich wa s
extremely overhe a ted  that in wint eryouh a dtoo pe n  wi nd o w,i n  China you hadto pay ast ro n om ic fee aro u nd1. 5€ perday for  AC r e mote co ntrol and  AC to be 
s witc h e d.. .

------datenwol f
Hospita l s bei n ga pla cewheresl eep  is h ard to get  is t he pre mi se ofone o fGerman a nimation's cult classic s:
[ht tps:/ /ww w.youtube .co m /wa tch?v=SYc 6r7J Rh9s](http s:/ /ww w.you tub e .com/ watc h ?v =SY c 6r7JR h9s) 
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n n qHos p i ta ls worldwid e s hou ld be  op t imized  for  _increased patie n t comfort_ eve n
at t hecas t  ofma rginally lower ing  s u r vival (l et 's say 1%)
, but_doesn't he_only
have a sample size_of one_hospital_stay?

~~~
ncmncm
In a_word,_no. Until they_start getting lawsuits_over contempt for sleep,
nothing_will improve.

------
quickthrower2
Is this_a_problem in UK because I slept like a baby in hospital but this was
over_20_years ago._P.s._I_wasn't a baby!

------
octygen
It's up to_us to set boundaries. If_a corporation_says sleep is dead
unproductive time, it's the individual_that_must disagree and_disconnect
around their sleep. Same with exercise. There are so_many benefits to the
brain and the_body from sleeping_7h+!

DISCLAIMER:_I_slept only 5h last_night :(

------
Jealousmango
Nothing has illuminated my poor_sleeping habits like reading 'Why We_Sleep' by
Matthew Walker. The book scared me_into working on improving those habits_with
some degree of success. Many_of the_topics that Matthew Walker covered_have
been brought up_in this_thread.

------
Markoff
more than sleep_I've found bigger issue with excessive_paperwork, while giving
birth_in China there was no need_to_measure your baby_prior_and_after each
feeding,_this was not_the_case in_EU_hospital

you would say it helps to_decrease_newborn mortality but loss of weight it's
completely_natural and i don't_see_reason why bother mother_and baby measuring
weight every two_hours, that's just insane harassment

can't really_compare sleep_since in_China we landed in private room (public
hospital, not that busy in_smaller town) while in EU room_for three which was
extremely_overheated that_in_winter you had_to_open window,_in China you had
to pay astronomic fee_around 1.5€_per day for AC remote control_and AC to be
switched...

------
datenwolf
Hospitals_being_a place where sleep is hard_to get is the premise of_one of
German animation's cult classics:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc6r7JRh9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc6r7JRh9s)

------
nnq
Hospitals_worldwide_should_be optimized for _increased patient_comfort_ even
at the cast of marginally_lowering survival (let's_say 1%)