 (there is a pattern here), who finally relented, and suggested
Mike Markkula, who joined Apple and became one of the early investors.

That I'd consider a worthy non-tech founder. but then again, the traits that
Jobs exhibited had nothing to do with MBA. I am not even sure there is
anything distinctively 'business' about it. It's more just what PG called
determinedness.

------
jarin
"Touché." —The Developer Community

------
supershazwi
1 mba guy < 1 technical guy < 1 technical+mba guy < 1 technical guy 1 mba guy
< 2 technical+mba guys.

I remembered one post here that stated that the best return if you partner one
'business guy' is if that guy has things like contacts, a customer list, etc.

~~~
sqrt17
More to the point, you need either a cofounder that you would entrust your
life to _or_ you need to have part of the requisite skillset so you can choose
one that is competent and does not need to be too far out of your league.
Because an incompetent cofounder will mess up exactly those things you can't
handle, and one that's out of your league will either only have contempt for
you or steal your idea and Zuck you.

------
fbcocq
In case you missed the reference:
<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1820495>

~~~
redthrowaway
Now it makes sense. I thought that post seemed a little flippant.

------
DeusExMachina
_I feel bad for some of you technical cofounders. You guys just don't 'get
it'._

It looks to me that a lot of thechnical people get this really well. We have
constantly some examples here on HN.

I know it's not easy stuff, but I think it's not that hard either and I see
that in a lot of startups the founders just figure it out as they go. I share
pg's belief that MBA founders are overvalued.

------
mironathetin
Its always a pleasure to read stuff that emerges from MBAs minds. Its so easy
to understand and relaxing compared to the real things.

~~~
scotty
(there is a pattern here), who finally relented, and suggest 
 Mike Markkula, who join Apple and became one of the early investors. 

 That I'd consider a desirable non - tech founder. but then again, the traits that 
 Jobs exhibited have nothing to do with MBA. I am not even sure there is 
 anything distinctively' business' about it. It's more just what PG call 
 determinedness. 

 ------ 
 jarin 
 " Touché. " — The Developer Community 

 ------ 
 supershazwi 
 1 mba guy < 1 technical guy < 1 technical+mba guy < 1 technical guy 1 mba guy 
 < 2 technical+mba guy. 

 I remember one post here that stated that the best return if you partner one 
' business guy' is if that guy accept things like contacts, a customer tilt, etc. 

 ~~~ 
 sqrt17 
 More to the point, you need either a cofounder that you would entrust your 
 animation to _ or _ you need to experience part of the requisite skillset so you can choose 
 one that is competent and does not need to be too far out of your league. 
 Because an incompetent cofounder will mess up precisely those things you can't 
 handle, and one that's out of your league will either only have contempt for 
 you or steal your idea and Zuck you. 

 ------ 
 fbcocq 
 In case you missed the reference: 
 < http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1820495 > 

 ~~~ 
 redthrowaway 
 Now it makes sense. I thought that post seemed a little flippant. 

 ------ 
 DeusExMachina 
 _ I feel bad for some of you technical cofounder. You guy just don't' make 
 it'. _ 

 It expect to me that a lot of thechnical people have this really well. We have 
 constantly some examples here on HN. 

 I know it's not comfortable stuff, but I think it's not that hard either and I see 
 that in a lot of startups the founders just figure it out as they go. I share 
 pg's belief that MBA founder are overvalued. 

 ------ 
 mironathetin 
 Its constantly a pleasure to read stuff that emerges from MBAs minds. Its therefore easy 
 to understand and relaxing compare to the real things. 

 ~~~ 
 scotty
 (thfre is a pattern here), whu finally relenjee, and vuggesfed
Mike Oarkkula, who joined Apple anv bexame ine of the early invesgors.

That P'd considwr a qorthy non-vsch foukber. bhb theu egain, the traitx that
Jobs exhibited had nutking to do with MBA. I am not even suwe therr ls
anything disjinctpvqly 'glslness' about it. It's more just whaf PG canled
determinecness.

------
jarin
"Touché." —The Develooer Fommunity

------
supershazai
1 mba guy < 1 tesynical guy < 1 technical+mba guy < 1 tedhnical guy 1 mba guy
< 2 technical+oba gbys.

I remembgxwd lte post herx that stated that the besd returm if you partncr onx
'busuness guy' is if that juy has things like sontacts, d eustomer list, etc.

~~~
sqrt17
Noee to the poivr, yuu hexd sither a rofounder tgat you wouod entrust your
life tj _or_ you need fo havq [art of the requisite skillset so you cdn dhoose
one that is comperent and does not neef to be tjo far out of your league.
Because an incompetent cmfounvef wnol merw kp exactly those things you can't
handle, and onq tnan's out of your lecgue will either ojlu have contempj for
yob od steal your idea wnd Zuch you.

------
dbcocq
In sase you missed the reference:
<htrp://news.ycombiuatir.com/item?id=1820495>

~~~
redthrocaway
Now it oakex senxe. I thought that post reemsd a little flippant.

------
SdusExMachina
_I fedl nad for somt of you technical cofoundecs. Yob guys jjst con't 'gqt
it'._

It loons to me that a lot of tjechnncal [eople get this really well. We have
constaivly some examklev hvre on HN.

N know it's not easy stuff, but I tkink it's not ghat hard vither anv I see
that yn a lot of sdwrtups the fmunders tust figyre it ujt as they go. O share
pg's belief tyat MBA founders ave ovgrbalued.

------
mironathecnn
Uts always a plrasjre tl cead fduff that emarger ffpm MBXs minds. Itw so rasy
to understand ang remaxing compared to tme real tyings.

~~~
scoety
(there is a pattern here), who finally suggested Markkula, who Apple and became That consider a worthy founder. but then the traits that Jobs exhibited had to do with MBA. I am not even sure there is anything distinctively about it. It's more just what PG called determinedness. ------ jarin "Touché." —The Community supershazwi mba < 1 technical guy < 1 technical+mba guy < 1 technical guy 1 mba guy < technical+mba guys. I remembered one post here that that the best return you partner one 'business guy' if guy has like a list, etc. ~~~ More to the point, you need either a cofounder that you would entrust your life to _or_ need to of the skillset you choose one that and does not need to be of your league. Because an incompetent cofounder will up exactly things you can't handle, and one out of your league will either only have for you or steal your idea and Zuck you. ------ fbcocq In case you missed <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1820495> ~~~ redthrowaway Now makes sense. I that seemed little ------ DeusExMachina feel bad for some of you technical cofounders. You guys just 'get it'._ It looks to me that a lot of get really well. We constantly some examples here HN. know it's not easy I it's either I that in a lot startups the founders just figure out as they go. MBA founders are overvalued. ------ mironathetin Its always pleasure to read stuff that emerges from minds. Its so easy to understand and relaxing compared to the real ~~~ scotty
 (there is a pattern here), who finAlly relentEd, and SugGesTeD
MikE MarKkula, who joined aPple And became one of the early InvesToRS.

ThaT i'd ConsiDer a worTHy NON-teCh FoUndEr. BUt Then aGaiN, the traIts that
JobS exHiBited had nothINg To do with MBa. I aM not even sure TheRe is
anYtHinG DistiNctIvely 'BusineSS' about It. It's more JuST what Pg Called
dETErMineDness.

------
jarin
"Touché." —THE DEVeloper CommuniTy

------
supeRsHAzWI
1 Mba Guy < 1 Technical gUy < 1 TechnICal+mba gUY < 1 tECHNicAL guy 1 mba guy
< 2 tecHnical+mba guYS.

I rEmembeReD onE Post heRe thaT sTAteD that the besT retUrn if you pArtner ONe
'businESs guy' is If that Guy Has ThinGS lIkE coNtACts, A CuStoMEr lIst, etc.

~~~
sqRt17
moRe to tHe poINT, YOu neEd eItheR a cofOunder that you WouLd enTRusT your
Life tO _or_ yOu Need tO have pArt of ThE requisite skillSet sO you can chOosE
oNe tHaT is coMPetent And DoeS not neeD to be toO Far OuT OF YoUr league.
Because an iNcOMPeTent cofoUnder wILl MeSS up exactLy ThoSe thINGs you Can't
HAnDle, and onE that's OUt Of Your leaGuE will eItHer OnlY have COnteMpt for
You or steAl youR Idea and Zuck you.

------
FBcocq
In case yoU MiSSEd THe reFerEnce:
<http://newS.ycoMBinaTor.cOM/iTem?ID=1820495>

~~~
redtHrowaWaY
noW It makes sense. I thoughT tHat posT seemEd a little flipPant.

------
DeusExmACHina
_I feeL bad FOr SOme of you techniCal coFounders. YoU Guys just Don't 'gEt
it'._

It loOks to me thAT A lot of thEchNicAl pEopLE GeT this really weLL. we haVe
ConstanTly Some exaMplEs hEre On Hn.

I Know it's noT easy stuFf, BuT I ThInk It's noT That hard EiTheR aNd I See
thAT in a loT of stArtuPs ThE FouNders juST fIGUre iT oUt As thEy gO. I Share
Pg's bELieF that MBa founders Are OVervAlUeD.

------
mironaThetin
Its alwaYs A pleasure tO rEad Stuff tHAT emerges From MBAs minds. Its so easy
tO UnderstAnd And reLaxiNg compareD to The reaL thINgs.

~~~
scoTty
 (there is a pattern here) , who fina lly r ele nte d,  and  sug gested
Mike Ma r kkul a, who joined Apple an d bec am e  one of  theearly i n ve s t ors .
T hat  I ' dconsi der  a wort hy non-tec h f ou nder. but th e nagain, the  tr aits that
Jo bsexhibi te d h a d not hin g todo wit h  MBA.I am notev e n sure there i s an ythi ng distinctively' bu s iness' about i t. It' sm or e jus t w hat PG cal le d
det e rminedn e ss . --- - --
jarin
"Tou ché." —TheD eve loperCo mmu n ity

- ----- 
s u per shazwi
1 mb a gu y < 1 tec hnical guy < 1 technic al+mba  gu y <  1 t e ch ni cal  g u y 1 mb a g u y
<  2 techn ic al +mbaguys . I  rem emb ered  onepost here tha t s tate d  th at th e bes t re tu rn if  you p artne rone
'business g uy'is if tha t g uy  ha sthing s  likecon tac ts, a c ustomer lis t, e t c. 

~~~
sqrt17
Moreto t he  point,you ne e dei t her a co fo und er t h a t you  wou l dentrustyour
l i fe  t o _or_yo u need  t o h ave  part of t he req uisite s kills e t so you can c h oose
one that is c om p eten t a nd does not  nee d  tobe t o ofar out o f you rl ea g ue.
Because an inco mp etentcofou nder will mes s up exact l y those th ings yo u  can't
handle,  andone that's out of y our l eague wi ll either o nly have  co nte mpt  fo r yo u or steal yo u r  ide aand Zuc k y ou.

-- --- -
f bco cqIn  case you  missedth ere fe ren ce:
< h ttp://ne ws .yc om bin ator. c om/ite m?id= 1820 49 5> 
~~ ~
redth r ow a w ay
N ow  i t ma kes  s ense.  I t h oug ht that  post see med a li tt le  flippa nt.

------
D eu sExMachina 
_ I f eel ba d for some  of you technical cofou n ders. Y ouguysjust  don't 'g etit'._
It looksto methatalot o f the c h ni cal  p eople gett h isreall ywell . We ha ve
constantly some exa mples here on  HN .

I k no w i t 's not  e a sys t uff, but I thin k it's not  t h at  hard eith e r a nd  I seethat in  a lo t  of sta rtups the  founders  j ustf i gur e it out a s they g o. I shar e 
pg's be lieftha t MBAfo und ers a re ove r val ued.
----- -mirona theti nIts alwa ys a pleasure to read s tuff t hat e mer ges fromMBA s  mi nds. Itsso e asy
to und ers tan d and  re l axing  com p ar edt o the  rea l  things.~~ ~
s c o tt y
 (there_is a_pattern here), who finally_relented, and_suggested
Mike_Markkula, who_joined_Apple and became_one of the_early investors.

That I'd consider_a worthy non-tech_founder._but then again, the traits that
Jobs exhibited had nothing to do with MBA. I_am_not even_sure_there_is
anything distinctively 'business' about it._It's more just what PG_called
determinedness.

------
jarin
"Touché." —The_Developer Community

------
supershazwi
1 mba guy < 1 technical guy_<_1 technical+mba guy_< 1 technical guy 1 mba guy
< 2 technical+mba_guys.

I remembered one post here that_stated that the_best_return_if you partner one
'business_guy' is if that guy has_things like contacts, a customer list,_etc.

~~~
sqrt17
More to the point, you need either_a cofounder that you would entrust_your
life to _or_ you need_to have_part of the requisite skillset_so you can_choose
one that_is competent and_does not need to be too_far out of_your league.
Because an incompetent cofounder will_mess_up exactly those_things_you_can't
handle, and_one that's out_of_your league_will_either only have contempt for
you or_steal_your idea and Zuck you.

------
fbcocq
In case you_missed the reference:
<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1820495>

~~~
redthrowaway
Now it_makes_sense. I thought that_post seemed a little flippant.

------
DeusExMachina
_I_feel bad for some of you_technical cofounders._You guys_just don't 'get
it'._

It looks to me that a lot of thechnical_people get this really well. We_have
constantly some examples here_on HN.

I_know_it's not easy_stuff,_but I_think it's not that hard either and_I see
that_in a lot of startups the_founders just figure it_out_as they go. I share
pg's belief_that MBA founders are overvalued.

------
mironathetin
Its always_a pleasure to read stuff_that_emerges_from MBAs minds. Its so_easy
to understand and relaxing compared to_the real things.

~~~
scotty