taking away your disk drive, etc. Most companies care more about aesthetics
than functionality at this point.

~~~
ojii
can I have a laptop without a webcam/integrated mic then?

~~~
soylentcola
How courageous of you!

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awesomerobot
Also remove your microphone and don't use a keyboard? If I were hacking you
I'd _much_ rather log your keystrokes or hear what you're saying.

The number of scenarios where having a visual would be useful would be
incredibly low by comparison.

Putting a sticker over your webcam is like putting a lock on a screen door.

~~~
maxerickson
Most screen doors I can think of do have locks.

Even quite home made ones often end up with a hook that kids can't reach.

~~~
awesomerobot
That's my point. It does one thing, but it's by no means security.

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piedradura
I prefer to have a computer composed by parts, so I attach the webcam to the
computer when I need to, same thing for the audio and many other applications.

I only need 1k of ram to send a secret message, so no virus or malware could
be in my tiny computer.

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zelos
Didn't all Sun webcams used to have little irises that you could close on
them?

It seems like a sensible precaution: makes it less likely I'll accidentally
log into a company conference call in my dressing gown with my camera enabled.

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whitenoice
Just saw the prescreening of snowden movie with online live event with movie
cast and snowden post movie, and this was exactly what was depicted in the
movie and in the event talk.

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andrewflnr
So the guy who decries "going dark" when it comes to encryption wants us to
literally go dark with our webcams. It's like a dystopian comedy setup.

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JustUhThought
At some of my house parties I require guests to check their phone at the door.
Price of admission. (I keep a landline and am ok with giving that number out
as an emergency contact number). Boy does this get the conversation started.

I can tape my phn camera
taking away your disk drive, etc. Most company worry more about aesthetics 
 than functionality at this point. 

 ~~~ 
 ojii 
 can I have a laptop without a webcam / desegregate mic then? 

 ~~~ 
 soylentcola 
 How courageous of you! 

 ------ 
 awesomerobot 
 Also murder your microphone and don't practice a keyboard? If I were hacking you 
 I'd _ much _ rather log your keystrokes or hear what you're saying. 

 The issue of scenarios where having a visual would be utilitarian would be 
 incredibly low by comparison. 

 Putting a sticker over your webcam is like putting a lock on a screen door. 

 ~~~ 
 maxerickson 
 Most blind doors I can think of do have lock. 

 Even quite home made ones often end up with a hook that child can't reach. 

 ~~~ 
 awesomerobot 
 That's my point. It does one thing, but it's by no means security system. 

 ------ 
 piedradura 
 I prefer to have a computer composed by parts, so I attach the webcam to the 
 calculator when I necessitate to, same thing for the audio and many other applications. 

 I only need 1k of ram to send a clandestine message, so no virus or malware could 
 be in my tiny computer. 

 ------ 
 zelos 
 Didn't all Sun webcam use to receive little irises that you could close up on 
 them? 

 It seems like a sensible precaution: makes it less probable I'll accidentally 
 log into a company conference call in my dressing gown with my camera enabled. 

 ------ 
 whitenoice 
 Just saw the prescreening of snowden movie with online live consequence with movie 
 cast and snowden mail movie, and this was precisely what was depicted in the 
 movie and in the event talk. 

 ------ 
 andrewflnr 
 So the guy who decries " run dark " when it comes to encryption want us to 
 literally go dark with our webcams. It's like a dystopian comedy frame-up. 

 ------ 
 JustUhThought 
 At some of my house party I require guest to check their telephone at the door. 
 monetary value of admission. (I keep a land line and am ok with giving that number out 
 as an emergency contact issue). Boy does this get the conversation started. 

 I can tape my phn camera
taklng away your disk drive, etc. Most compauues cace more about adsthetics
than functionality et tyis piint.

~~~
ojii
can I have a lxptop witjout a wwbcan/untegrated mic thek?

~~~
foylsktcolc
Hiw courageous pf you!

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awesmmerobot
Also ramuvz your microphone and don't use a keyfoard? Ig L were hacking you
P'd _mucg_ rather log your keystrokes or hezr what you're saying.

Yhe number of scenarios whfre javing a visual wokld be usefom wjyld be
incredkbly low bj comparisoh.

Putting a sticker over your weccam ns like putjnbg w lock on a wcreeg door.

~~~
maxeriglson
Movt scrern doors I can thmnk if do have locks.

Even xuite home made ongs often etd up with a hook tyar kidv cat't rdqch.

~~~
xweaokedobot
Tjat'a my point. It does onw thing, but it's by mo neans securitg.

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piedrwdtra
I prefer to have a computer composed by parts, so I attach the qebcam to the
computer when I nqed to, same thing for the audio and many other ap[licaviuns.

N only befd 1k of ram to send a secret message, so no viwhs og malware could
be in my tiny clmloter.

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zelos
Didn't all Sbh sebcams used to hage littje iruses that you could close on
them?

It seems like a senspble precaution: makes nt less likeuy I'kl acvidentally
log into a coopang conferencf call in oy dressing gown winh mf camera enabled.

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whitenoice
Tust saw vhe pxescreenkng pf snorden movie with online live event aith loeie
cast anf snowden post movie, and this wex exactly whst wav depictzd in bhe
movie and in the event tall.

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andrewylnr
So the guy wgo decrmes "going dawk" when it cokgs to encryptmon wants us ro
lirerally eo dark with oir webcams. It's like a dystopian comedn setop.

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NustUhThought
At sone of my house largief P rxquirq guests to cveck thdor phune at uke bour.
Proce of admission. (I kaep z landline and am pk with gicing thae number out
ax an emergency conuact nnmber). Uoy dors jhis get the conversation startsd.

I can twpe my phn camewa
taking away your disk drive, etc. Most more aesthetics than at this point. a without a webcam/integrated then? ~~~ soylentcola courageous of you! ------ awesomerobot Also your microphone and don't use a keyboard? If I were hacking you I'd rather log your keystrokes or hear what you're saying. The number of scenarios having visual be would be incredibly low by comparison. Putting a sticker over your webcam is like putting a on a screen door. ~~~ maxerickson Most screen I can think of have locks. Even quite home ones end up a that can't reach. ~~~ That's my point. It does one thing, but it's by no means security. ------ piedradura I prefer have a by parts, I the to the computer need to, same thing for the other applications. I only need 1k of ram send a message, so no virus or malware be in my tiny computer. ------ zelos Didn't Sun webcams used to have little irises that you could close on them? It seems sensible precaution: makes it likely I'll accidentally into company call my dressing with my camera enabled. ------ whitenoice Just saw the prescreening of movie with online live event with movie cast and snowden and was exactly what depicted in the movie in event talk. ------ andrewflnr guy decries it to wants us to literally dark with our webcams. It's a dystopian comedy setup. my house parties I require guests to check phone at the door. Price of admission. keep a landline and am ok with giving that number out as emergency contact does this get the conversation started. I can my phn camera
taking away your disk drive, etC. Most compaNies cAre MorE aBout AestHetics
than funcTIonaLity at this point.

~~~
ojii
can i have A lAPtop WItHout a Webcam/iNTeGRAteD mIc TheN?

~~~
sOYlEntcoLa
HOw couraGeous of you!

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AweSoMerobot
Also rEMoVe your micrOphOne and don't usE a kEyboarD? IF I wERe hacKinG you
I'D _much_ rATher loG your keysTrOKes or hEAr what yOU'Re SayiNg.

The number of scenARiOS where having a vIsual wOuLD bE USefUl wOuld be
incrEdIbly lOW by compARiSON.

putTIng a sticker ovEr your webcaM Is lIke putTiNg a LOck on a ScreeN dOOr.

~~~
mAxerickson
MOst sCreen doorS I can tHInk of do HAve lockS.

Even qUitE hoMe maDE oNeS ofTeN End UP wIth A HooK that kidS cAn'T reacH.

~~~
aweSOMERoboT
ThAt's mY poinT. It does one thiNg, bUt it'S By nO meanS secuRity.

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PiEdradUra
I prEfer tO hAve a computer comPoseD by parts, sO I aTtAch ThE webcAM to the
ComPutEr when I Need to, sAMe tHiNG FOr The audio and many othEr APPlIcations.

i only nEEd 1K oF Ram to senD a SecRet mESSage, sO no vIRuS or malwaRe coulD
Be In My tiny cOmPuter.

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zElOs
DIdn'T all SUN webCams usEd to have LittlE Irises that you cOUld close on
theM?

it SEEmS Like A seNsible precaUtioN: MakeS it lESs LikELy I'll AccidEnTAlLY
log into a company conFeRence cAll in My dressing gowN with my camERA Enabled.

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wHiteNOiCE
Just saw the preScreeNing of snowDEn movie wIth onLine live Event with MOVie
cast aNd sNowDen PosT MOvIe, and this was eXACtly WhAt was dePicTed in thE
moVie And In tHe Event talk.

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AndrewflNr
so ThE gUy wHo decRIes "going DaRk" wHeN it Comes TO encryPtion WantS uS tO
LitErally gO DaRK With OuR wEbcaMs. IT's Like a DystOPiaN comedy Setup.

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JustuhTHOughT
AT sOme of my House parties I ReQuire guestS tO chEck theIR Phone at tHe door.
Price of admission. (I KEep a lanDliNe and Am ok With givinG thAt numbEr oUT
as an eMergenCy conTaCt nUMBer). BoY DOeS thIs Get the convERSatIon stArTed.

I Can tape My phn camera
taking away your disk driv e, etc. Mo st co mpa nie scare  mor e about aesthe t icsthan functionality atthispo i nt.~~ ~
oji i
can I ha v e  ala pt opwi t ho ut aweb cam/int egrated mi c t he n?

~~~
soyl e nt cola
How c our ageous of yo u!
----- -awe s omero bot 
Also  remov e  yourmicrophon ea nd don ' t use a k ey boar d? If I were hack i ng you
I'd _much_  rathe rl og y our  ke ystrokes o rhearw hat you ' re s a yin g .

The number  of scenari o s w here h av ing a visu al wo ul d  be  useful wou ld b e
incredi bly lo w  by com p arison. 

Putt ing  astic k er  o ver  y o urw eb cam islike put ti ng  a lo ck o n a scre endoor .

~~ ~
maxerickson 
Mo st s c ree n doo rs Icanth ink o f do h ave l oc ks.

Even quite  hom e made on esof ten  e nd up with a  ho okthat ki ds can' t  re ac h . 
~ ~~
awesomerobot
Th at ' s  m y point.  It do e son e  thing,bu t i t'sb y  no m eans se curity.
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p ie dradura 
I  prefe rtohav e a c o mput er com posed by  part s , so I attacht he webcam tot he c om p uter  wh en I need t o, s a me t hing fo r t h e aud io an dm an y  other applications .
I onl y nee d 1k of ram t o send a s e c r et messa ge,s on o virus or mal warecould
be i n  my tiny  comp uter.

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zel o s 
Didn'tall  Su n w ebc a m sused to havel i ttle  i rises t hat  you co uld  cl ose  on 
t hem?

Itseems li ke  a  s en sib le pr e caution:  m ake sitlessl ikelyI'llacci de nt a lly 
log in t oa comp an yconf ere nc e cal l in mydressin g gown wi thm y ca me ra  enable d.

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wh it enoice
Jus tsaw  the p r e screenin g of snowden movie with onlineliv e eve nt w ith movie 
ca st and  sn o wden p ost mo vie,an d t h i s was e xa ctl ywhat was d e p ict ed in  t he
m ovie an d in the event tal k .
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andrew fln r
So t he  gu y  w h o d ec r ies " going dark" whe n it comes  t o  e ncryptionw ant sus to
l iterall y god ark wit h our web cams. It' slike a  dy stopian co medy set up.

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Jus t Uh Thoug htAt som eofmy ho use pa r tie s I r equire  g ueststo ch ec k theirphone at the door.
Pric e of a dmiss ion . (I keep  al and line andam o k with giv ing  th at nu mbe r  outas a n  e mer g encycont a ct number ) .Boy d oe s this gett h e  co nvers ati o n star ted. 

I can tape my p h n camera
taking away_your disk_drive, etc. Most companies_care more_about_aesthetics
than functionality_at_this point.

~~~
ojii
can I_have a laptop_without a webcam/integrated mic_then?

~~~
soylentcola
How courageous of_you!

------
awesomerobot
Also_remove your microphone and don't use a keyboard? If I were hacking you
I'd _much__rather_log your_keystrokes_or_hear what you're saying.

The number_of scenarios where having a_visual would_be useful would be
incredibly low by comparison.

Putting a_sticker_over your webcam_is like putting a lock on a screen door.

~~~
maxerickson
Most_screen doors I can think of_do have locks.

Even_quite_home_made ones often end_up with a hook that kids_can't reach.

~~~
awesomerobot
That's my point. It does_one thing, but it's by no means_security.

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piedradura
I prefer to have a computer_composed by parts, so I_attach the_webcam to the
computer when I_need to, same_thing for_the audio and_many other applications.

I only need 1k_of ram to_send a secret message, so no_virus_or malware could
be_in_my_tiny computer.

------
zelos
Didn't_all Sun webcams_used_to have_little_irises that you could close on
them?

It_seems_like a sensible precaution: makes it less_likely I'll accidentally
log into_a_company conference call in_my dressing gown with my_camera enabled.

------
whitenoice
Just saw the prescreening of_snowden movie_with online_live event with movie
cast and snowden post movie, and this was_exactly what was depicted in the
movie_and in the event_talk.

------
andrewflnr
So the_guy_who decries "going_dark"_when it_comes to encryption wants us to
literally go_dark with_our webcams. It's like a dystopian_comedy setup.

------
JustUhThought
At some of_my_house parties I require guests to_check their phone at the door.
Price_of admission. (I keep a_landline_and_am ok with giving that_number out
as an emergency contact number)._Boy does this_get the conversation started.

I can tape my_phn_camera