 dark patterns trying to cost me money just to purchase a
damned ticket on Ticketbastards today.

Seriously by not clicking the right boxes I could have agreed to pay an extra
$42 in add-ons/services for a $15 ticket that had its own $6 in fees added.

~~~
kbenson
For Ticketmaster? That's odd, I deal with them quite a bit, and while they've
definitely got a racket going on, usually they aren't opting you in for extra
stuff (because you'll juts call to complain to their support and get it
changed). I _have_ seen them accidentally auto-select certain additions
before, but that was a non-standard option on that event, and it was
definitely a mistake.

~~~
busterarm
They like to do things where they offer you something with a yes/no option but
don't explain that it's an offer (no call to action or question) and put the
price of the service in the smallest text possible.

~~~
kbenson
Oh, I would believe that. They'll make it easy for you to add charges on, and
make it confusing as to whether it charges you (if you aren't familiar with
the page), they just don't generally have them defaulted to on in my
experience (and I buy a lot of tickets from them). They're very good at being
just annoying enough to use that you don't like them, but generally not so
annoying that you'll _refuse_ to use them, which combined with their existing
market dominance keeps them on top.

------
pavel_lishin
I worked at a web development studio. One of our clients was MannaTech,
basically a marketing company that sold snake-oil to parents of sick children,
claiming it could "cure" everything from cancer to down syndrome. They were
under investigation by the Texas DA at one point.

We tracked our work hourly, so I donated all the money I made from that
particular work to St. Jude's hospital, which actually _does_ cure cancer in
children, but it still irks me to this day.

~~~
NoGravitas
Looked this up, and it's not only selling snake-oil to parents of sick
children, it's _MLM_ selling snake oil to parents of sick children
dark patterns trying to cost me money just to buy a 
 curse slate on Ticketbastards today. 

 Seriously by not chatter the correct boxes I could have agreed to give an excess 
 $ 42 in add - ons / services for a $ 15 ticket that had its own $ 6 in fees add. 

 ~~~ 
 kbenson 
 For Ticketmaster? That's odd, I deal with them quite a act, and while they've 
 decidedly got a racket go on, usually they aren't opting you in for excess 
 stuff (because you'll juts call to complain to their accompaniment and get it 
 changed). I _ have _ meet them incidentally auto - blue-ribbon certain additions 
 before, but that was a non - standard choice on that event, and it was 
 definitely a mistake. 

 ~~~ 
 busterarm 
 They like to do things where they extend you something with a yes / no option but 
 don't explain that it's an offer (no call to action or question) and put the 
 price of the service in the smallest textbook potential. 

 ~~~ 
 kbenson 
 Oh, I would believe that. They'll make it easy for you to lend charges on, and 
 make it confusing as to whether it charges you (if you aren't conversant with 
 the page), they just don't by and large have them defaulted to on in my 
 experience (and I bribe a lot of tickets from them). They're very good at being 
 just annoying enough to use that you don't like them, but generally not so 
 annoying that you'll _ refuse _ to use them, which combined with their existing 
 grocery store dominance observe them on top. 

 ------ 
 pavel_lishin 
 I worked at a web development studio. One of our node was MannaTech, 
 basically a marketing company that sold hydra - oil to parent of sick children, 
 claim it could " cure " everything from cancer to down syndrome. They were 
 under probe by the Texas DA at one point. 

 We tracked our work hourly, so I donated all the money I make from that 
 particular work to St. Jude's hospital, which actually _ does _ bring around cancer in 
 children, but it still irks me to this sidereal day. 

 ~~~ 
 NoGravitas 
 Looked this up, and it's not only selling snake - oil to parents of sick 
 children, it's _ MLM _ selling snake oil to parents of ill children
 dagk patterns trying to cort me money jusj ro purrhase a
samned tkcket on Ticketbastards todab.

Seruouslt by not clicking the fight boxvs I coule hate agreed to pay an extra
$42 in asf-ons/vxrvices for a $15 jicket that vad its own $6 it wezs added.

~~~
kbenson
For Ticketmaster? That'f odd, I dfal with them zuitt a bit, and while they've
definitely got a dacket joing on, usuallu they aren't opting you in for extra
stuff (becausf you'll jutw cajo to complaiv to their support and get it
changed). I _have_ seen them accibentally aujo-aepgct certain edditijns
before, bub that fas a npn-standard optlon oi thqt event, and it was
dehinitely a mistake.

~~~
bufterarm
Thay like to do thingw qhere thef ofwwr hou spmsthing wivh a yes/no kption but
din't explain that it'x wb offer (no caml to wceion or question) and put the
price of tht serbice in the smallest tezt possible.

~~~
kbenson
Oh, L would bqlieve that. They'll make it easy for you to add chdrges un, ckq
oqkf it confusing as to whether it charges you (is ypu aren't familiav with
the page), theu uuxj don't generaluy havz tgem defaulted to oj in my
gxperiwnce (and Y buu a lot of tickets from then). They're verj goid at being
just anuoying enougk to uxe thst you don't like them, bbt gensrally not do
annoyinf that you'll _refure_ no uve them, which combined witr their eeistiug
market domonance keeps thel on bmp.

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pavel_lishin
I worned aj a wet developmfnt studio. One of our clients wex MannaTech,
bsshcanly a maxketinn company that fold snake-oil jo parentf of rick childgen,
claimiig it could "sure" everythith from cancec to down syneromw. They ddre
under invesyigation yv the Texqs DA at one point.

Xe ttadked our work hiuroy, so I donated alu tre mpnqf I made frok thxt
pxtticuuar work to Rt. Jide's hospital, which dctuzlly _does_ cure canvev in
childten, but ie still irks ke to this day.

~~~
NoGrwvitav
Louked yhif up, and it's not only selling anake-oil ho iarents of sisk
chlldrgn, it's _MLM_ xelling snake oil to parents of sick chmldren
dark patterns trying to cost me money purchase damned ticket Ticketbastards today. Seriously boxes could have agreed pay an extra in add-ons/services for a $15 ticket had its own $6 in fees added. ~~~ kbenson For Ticketmaster? That's odd, deal with them quite a bit, and while they've definitely got a racket on, they opting in for extra stuff (because you'll juts call to complain to their support and get it I _have_ seen them accidentally auto-select certain additions but that was a option on that event, and was a mistake. busterarm like do things where offer you something with a yes/no option but don't explain that it's an offer (no call to or question) the price the in smallest text possible. Oh, I would believe that. They'll for you to add charges on, and make confusing as whether it charges you (if you familiar with the page), they just don't generally them defaulted to on in my experience (and I buy a lot of tickets from very good at being annoying enough to that don't them, generally not annoying that you'll _refuse_ to use them, which combined with their market dominance keeps them on top. ------ pavel_lishin I worked web studio. One of clients was MannaTech, basically marketing that sold snake-oil to sick claiming everything cancer down syndrome. They were investigation by the Texas DA one point. We tracked donated all the money I made from that work to St. Jude's hospital, which actually cure cancer in children, but it still irks me to this day. NoGravitas Looked and it's not only selling snake-oil to parents sick children, it's _MLM_ snake oil to parents of sick children
 dark patterns trying to cost mE money just To purChaSe a
DaMned TickEt on TicketbastARds tOday.

Seriously by not clicKing tHe RIght BOxEs I coUld have AGrEED to PaY aN exTrA
$42 In Add-onS/seRvices fOr a $15 ticket tHat HaD its own $6 in feeS AdDed.

~~~
kbenson
for ticketmaster? thaT's odd, I DeAl wITh theM quIte a bIt, and wHIle theY've
definiTeLY got a rACket goiNG On, UsuaLly they aren't optinG YoU In for extra
stufF (becauSe YOu'LL JutS caLl to complaIn To theIR supporT AnD GET it
CHanged). I _have_ seEn them accidENtaLly autO-sEleCT certaIn addItIOns
Before, but thAt waS a non-stanDard opTIon on thAT event, aNd it waS
deFinItelY A mIsTakE.

~~~
bUSteRArM
ThEY liKe to do thInGs Where They OFFER you SomEthiNg witH a yes/no option But
Don't EXplAin thAt it's An ofFeR (no caLl to acTion oR qUestion) and put thE
priCe of the seRviCe In tHe SmallESt text PosSibLe.

~~~
kbensOn
Oh, I woULd bElIEVE tHat. They'll make it easY fOR YoU to add chArges oN, AnD
mAKe it confUsIng As to WHEther It chARgEs you (if yOu aren'T FaMiLiar witH
tHe page), ThEy jUst Don't gENeraLly havE them defAulteD To on in my
experiENce (and I buy a loT Of TICkETs frOm tHem). They're veRy goOD at bEing
JUsT anNOying EnougH tO UsE That you don't like them, BuT generAlly nOt so
annoying tHat you'll _reFUSE_ to use thEm, whICh COmbined with theIr exiSting
markeT DominancE keepS them on tOp.

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pavel_liSHIn
I workeD at A weB deVelOPMeNt studio. One of OUR cliEnTs was MaNnatech,
basIcaLly A maRkeTiNg company That sold SnAkE-oIl To pArentS Of sick chIlDreN,
cLaiMing iT Could "cUre" evErytHiNg FRom Cancer tO DoWN SyndRoMe. they WerE
uNder iNvesTIgaTion by tHe Texas DA At oNE poiNt.

we Tracked Our work hourly, So i donated alL tHe mOney I mADE from thaT
particular work to St. Jude'S HospitaL, whIch acTualLy _does_ curE caNcer in
ChiLDren, buT it stiLl irkS mE to THIs day.

~~~
nOgrAviTaS
Looked thiS UP, anD it's nOt Only Selling Snake-oil to parents oF SicK
children, it's _MlM_ sElliNG SnAke OIl TO paReNTs oF SIck children
 dark patterns trying to c ost me mon ey ju sttopu rcha se a 
damned ticket on T icketbastards today.
Serio us l y by no t cli cking t h er i ght  b ox esIc ou ld ha veagreedto pay anext ra 
$42 in add- o ns /servicesfor  a $15 ticke t t hat ha dits own $ 6 i n fee s adde d .

~~~ 
kbensonFo r  Ticke t master? T ha t'sodd, I deal witht he m  quite a bit,and wh il e  t h e y'v e
d efinitelygo t a r a cket go i ng o n , u s ually they ar en't opting you  in fo rext r a
stuf f (be ca u seyou'll juts  cal l to comp lain t o  theirs upportand ge t i t
c hang e d) .I _ ha v e_s ee n t h emaccident al ly  auto -sel e c t cert ain  add ition s
before, but  th at w a s a  non- stand ardop tionon tha t eve nt , and it was
de fini tely a mi sta ke .
~~ ~
bus t erarmThe y l ike todo thin g s w he r e th ey offer you somet hi n g  w ith a ye s/no o p ti on but
don' texp lain t hat i t'sa noffer (n o call to  a ction o rquesti on ) a ndput t h e
pr ice of  the ser vicei n the smallest text possible . 
~ ~ ~k bens onOh, I would  bel i evethat .  T hey ' ll ma ke it  e a sy for you to add char ge s on,and
m ake it confus ing as tow h e ther itchar g es you (if you ar en'tfamiliar w i th
the p age),  they ju st don'tg e nerallyhav e t hem  de f a ul ted to on inm y 
exp er ience ( and  I buya l otoftic ke ts from t hem). Th ey 'r eve rygooda t beingju stan noy ing e n ough t o use  tha tyo u  do n't lik e  t h e m, b ut  g ener all ynot s o
an n oyi ng that  you'll _ ref u se_to  u se them , which combi ne d with the ir  ex isting m arket do minance keeps them on t o p.

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pave l_li shin
I wo rke d at a  we b  devel opment  stud io . O n e  of o u r  c lie nt s was Mann a T ech ,
bas ic ally  a mark eting company that sol d snake-oil t o p aren t s  o f s i ck chi ld r en, c laiming it coul d "cure" e ve r yt hing fromc anc er  to dow n syndr ome.T hey wer e
under i nvestigat io n by t heTexas DA a t one po int.

Wet racke d  o ur wo rkhourly ,soI don ated a l l t he mo ney Ima de fro m tha tparticul ar work to St. Jude's h ospita l, wh ich  actually  _d o es_  cure can cerin
childre n,but  it s til l  irks  met othi s  day. 

~~ ~ 
NoGravit a sLoo k e dthis up, an d i t's  notonl y  selli ng s nake-oil to paren t s of sick
chil dren , it' s _ M LM_se lling snake oi l t op a rents of  s ick childre n
 dark_patterns trying_to cost me money_just to_purchase_a
damned ticket_on_Ticketbastards today.

Seriously by_not clicking the_right boxes I could_have agreed to_pay_an extra
$42 in add-ons/services for a $15 ticket that had its own $6 in_fees_added.

~~~
kbenson
For Ticketmaster?_That's_odd,_I deal with them quite_a bit, and while they've
definitely_got a_racket going on, usually they aren't opting you_in_for extra
stuff (because_you'll juts call to complain to their support and_get it
changed). I _have_ seen them_accidentally auto-select certain_additions
before,_but_that was a non-standard_option on that event, and it_was
definitely a mistake.

~~~
busterarm
They like to do_things where they offer you something with_a yes/no option but
don't explain that_it's an offer (no call_to action_or question) and put the
price_of the service_in the_smallest text possible.

~~~
kbenson
Oh,_I would believe that. They'll make_it easy for_you to add charges on, and
make_it_confusing as to_whether_it_charges you_(if you aren't_familiar_with
the page),_they_just don't generally have them defaulted_to_on in my
experience (and I buy a_lot of tickets from_them)._They're very good at_being
just annoying enough to use_that you don't like them, but_generally not_so
annoying that_you'll _refuse_ to use them, which combined with their existing
market dominance_keeps them on top.

------
pavel_lishin
I worked at_a web development studio._One of_our_clients was MannaTech,
basically_a_marketing company_that sold snake-oil to parents of sick_children,
claiming it_could "cure" everything from cancer to_down syndrome. They were
under_investigation_by the Texas DA at one_point.

We tracked our work hourly, so_I donated all the money_I_made_from that
particular work to St._Jude's hospital, which actually _does_ cure_cancer in
children, but_it still irks me to this day.

~~~
NoGravitas
Looked_this_up, and it's not only selling_snake-oil_to parents of sick
children, it's _MLM__selling_snake_oil to parents of sick_children