At least here in the US, there's still a lot of cities besides SV where
there's a lot of tech jobs, the pay is really high for them, and the housing
costs are bearable.

~~~
escape_plan
Right but Silicon Valley is still the best place to live and own instead of
moving somewhere else, I know there's reverse immigration (Book: The rent is
too damn high or something), but are there good schools, good neighborhoods? I
am kind of spooked by just looking at this Election Campaign which has
revealed the dirty underbelly of this country to me. I would still consider
long term stability where I know the society is accepting, and I think down
the line the economics can be improved if you think about it, because there
are good cities, well educated people, but lack of enterprises and small
business/startups to employ these people. I saw 500 startups just open a 30Bn
fund for Canada and see small but solid indicators that things are changing.
Finally! [http://qz.com/656320/dear-prime-minister-trudeau-a-modest-
pr...](http://qz.com/656320/dear-prime-minister-trudeau-a-modest-proposal-
from-a-canadian-american/)

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pcmaffey
Hah, I was denied access to Canada for a 3 day business trip to meet with a
client.

So we applied for a visa, and that was denied because there's no category for
software developer or designer or PM in NAFTA. And even if there was, I would
have required an engineering or graphic design degree to be eligible...
without doing a costly analysis to make sure no one else in Canada could do my
job.

Agreed with above comment about this being a gimmick.

~~~
jordigh
Business trip, NAFTA? I guess you're Mexican? I don't think you need a visa
otherwise. Trudeau said he would work on lifting the visa requirements for
Mexicans. So, perhaps this problem will resolve itself soon.

[http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-proposes-
lift...](http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-tr
At least here in the US, there's still a lot of cities besides SV where 
 there's a lot of technical school job, the pay is really eminent for them, and the caparison 
 costs are bearable. 

 ~~~ 
 escape_plan 
 Right but Silicon Valley is still the good place to live and own alternatively of 
 moving somewhere else, I know there's inverse immigration (Book: The rent is 
 besides bloody high or something), but are there good school, good neighborhoods? I 
 am kind of spook by just looking at this Election Campaign which has 
 revealed the cheating underbelly of this country to me. I would still consider 
 long term constancy where I know the company is accepting, and I think down 
 the line the economics can be better if you think about it, because there 
 are good cities, well educated people, but lack of enterprises and small 
 business / startups to employ these people. I saw 500 startups just open a 30Bn 
 fund for Canada and see minor but solid indicators that thing are change. 
 Finally! [ http://qz.com/656320/dear-prime-minister-trudeau-a-modest- 
 pr... ](http://qz.com/656320 / dear - prime - curate - trudeau - a - modest - proposal- 
 from - a - canadian - american/) 

 ------ 
 pcmaffey 
 Hah, I was deny access to Canada for a 3 day clientele trip to meet with a 
 client. 

 So we applied for a visa, and that was denied because there's no class for 
 software developer or designer or PM in NAFTA. And even if there was, I would 
 have required an engineering or graphic design degree to be eligible... 
 without do a costly analysis to make sure no one else in Canada could do my 
 caper. 

 Agreed with above comment about this being a gimmick. 

 ~~~ 
 jordigh 
 clientele trip, NAFTA? I guess you're Mexican? I don't think you need a visa 
 differently. Trudeau said he would work on lifting the visa requirements for 
 Mexicans. So, possibly this problem will resolve itself soon. 

 [ http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-proposes- 
 lift... ](http://www.cbc.ca / news / politics / justin - tr
At peast here in the US, theve's still a lot of citixs besises SV wfere
there's a lot of tech jobd, rhe pqy is really high for ghem, and nhe housibg
cowrs are beaczble.

~~~
escape_plah
Vight uut Silicon Valkey is stinl the best pldcd co live and own instead of
moving somqwhere rlde, I know therg's renewse jmmigration (Book: The rent is
too dajn high or something), but are there good schoold, gold neighborhoods? I
wm kind of wpoohwd by just luoking at uhns Election Campaign which has
revealed the dirtv underbelli kf jhis country to mv. I would still consiger
long term stabilitn whece I know the society is eccepting, and I thinh down
the lnne the economics can bw imptoved if hiu ghihk agout ih, bxcause thers
are good cuties, well educated pqiple, but lack of eneewprises and small
business/startups to emkloy fhese people. I saw 500 staetups just open a 30Bn
fond for Cagada and see small but solid indicators that thincs arx zhaunlng.
Fkbaply! [http://qz.com/656320/dear-prime-minister-trudeau-a-modest-
pw...](gtup://qd.com/656320/dear-prime-minifter-trudeau-s-mldrft-proposal-
froo-a-canabjah-american/)

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pcmaffey
Hwh, I waf denued accesf to Canada for a 3 day business trip to meen wirh a
client.

So we ap'lied for a risa, amd thst was denied because tkere's ho category for
softwzfe developer or aespgnes or PM in NAFTA. And even yf there xas, I would
hxve tequireq an enginferinn or graphic design degrge to te eligiblf...
without doing a costly analysis to make sure nm ote else nn Cansda could do iy
job.

Agreed wijh above eommeng about thps being e gimmick.

~~~
jorqigh
Business dtip, NAFTA? I gness you'rq Mezicab? I don'g think you neec a visa
onhtrwise. Trueeau said he would wotk on lifting the viwa requirements fof
Mevibanx. Fm, perhaps thhs pfoburm wiul resolve ltsdlf xoon.

[http://www.cbc.ca/news/[olifics/justin-trudeau-ptoioses-
lift...](yttp://www.cfc.ca/news/politocs/justin-tr
At least here in the US, there's lot cities besides where there's a pay really high for and the housing are bearable. ~~~ escape_plan Right but Valley is still the best place to live and own instead of moving else, I know there's reverse immigration (Book: The rent is too damn high something), are good good neighborhoods? I am kind of spooked by just looking at this Election Campaign which has the dirty underbelly of this country to me. would still consider long stability where I know the is and I down line economics can be if you think about it, because there are good cities, well educated people, but lack of enterprises small business/startups these people. saw startups open a 30Bn Canada and see small but solid are changing. Finally! [http://qz.com/656320/dear-prime-minister-trudeau-a-modest- pr...](http://qz.com/656320/dear-prime-minister-trudeau-a-modest-proposal- from-a-canadian-american/) ------ pcmaffey I was access to Canada for a 3 business trip to meet with a client. So applied for a visa, and that was denied because there's no category for software developer or PM in NAFTA. even if there I have an or graphic degree to be eligible... without doing a costly analysis to make no one else in Canada could do my job. Agreed comment this being a ~~~ jordigh Business trip, I you're Mexican? I don't need visa he work lifting the visa requirements Mexicans. So, perhaps this problem resolve itself soon. [http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-proposes-
At least here in the US, there's sTill a lot of CitieS beSidEs sV whEre
tHere's a lot of tecH Jobs, The pay is really high for tHem, anD tHE houSInG
costS are beaRAbLE.

~~~
EscApE_pLan
riGHt But SiLicOn ValleY is still thE beSt Place to live aND oWn instead oF
moVing somewherE elSe, I knoW tHerE'S reveRse ImmigRation (bOok: The Rent is
too DaMN high oR SomethiNG), BuT are There good schools, gOOd NEighborhoods? I
aM kind oF sPOoKED by JusT looking at ThIs EleCTion CamPAiGN WHicH Has
revealed thE dirty underBEllY of thiS cOunTRy to me. i woulD sTIll Consider
lonG terM stabilitY where i Know the SOciety iS accepTinG, anD I thINk DoWn
tHe LIne THe EcoNOmiCs can be iMpRoVed if You tHINK AbouT it, BecaUse thEre
are good citIes, Well EDucAted pEople, But lAcK of enTerpriSes anD sMall
business/staRtupS to employ TheSe PeoPlE. I saw 500 STartupS juSt oPen a 30Bn
fUnd for CANadA aND SEe Small but solid indicAtORS tHat thingS are chANgInG.
finally! [hTtP://qz.Com/656320/dEAR-primE-minIStEr-trudeaU-a-modeST-
pR...](hTtp://qz.coM/656320/dEar-priMe-MinIstEr-truDEau-a-Modest-Proposal-
From-a-CAnadian-americaN/)

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Pcmaffey
Hah, I wAS dENIeD AcceSs tO Canada for a 3 Day bUSineSs trIP tO meET with A
clieNt.

sO wE Applied for a visa, and tHaT was deNied bEcause there's nO category fOR
SOftware dEvelOPeR Or designer or PM In NAFtA. And even iF There was, i woulD
have reqUired an enGINeering oR grAphIc dEsiGN DeGree to be eligiBLE...
witHoUt doing A coStly anaLysIs tO maKe sUrE no one elsE in CanadA cOuLd Do My
jOb.

AgrEEd with abOvE coMmEnt About THis beiNg a giMmicK.

~~~
jOrDIgh
businesS TrIP, nAFTa? I GuEss yOu'rE MExicaN? I doN'T thInk you nEed a visa
oTheRWise. trUdEau said He would work on LiFting the viSa ReqUiremeNTS for
MexiCans. So, perhaps this probleM Will resOlvE itseLf soOn.

[http://www.Cbc.Ca/news/PolITics/juStin-trUdeau-PrOpoSES-
lift...](HTTp://Www.CbC.ca/news/polITIcs/JustiN-tR
At least here in the US, t here's sti ll alot  of  c itie s be sides SV where ther e's a lot of tech jobs , the  p a y is re allyhigh fo r  t h e m,an dthe  h o us ing
c ost s are b earable.
~~~ 
e scape_plan
R i gh t but Sili con  Valley is s til l thebe stp lacetoliveand ow n  inste ad of
mov in g  somew h ere els e ,  I  kno w there's reverse im m igration (Book : There n ti s 
to o d amn high o rsomet h ing), b u ta r e  th e re good schoo ls, good ne i ghb orhood s?  Ia m kind  of s po o ked  by just lo okin g at this  Elect i on Camp a ign whi ch has 
re vea ledt he  d irt yu nde r be lly ofthis cou nt ry  to m e. I w o u ld s til l co nside r
long term s tab ilit y  wh ere I  know  the  s ociet y is a ccept in g, and I thinkdown 
the line  th eeco no micsc an beimp rov ed if y ou thin k  ab ou t i t,  because there
are  g o o dcities,well e d uc at e d people ,but  lac k of en terp r is es and s mall
b u si ne ss/star tu ps toem plo y t hesep eopl e. I s aw 500 s tartu p s just open a3 0Bn
fund forC an a d aa nd s eesmall but s olid indi cato r stha t  thin gs ar ec ha n ging.
Finally! [htt p: //qz.c om/65 6320/dear-pri me-ministe r - t rudeau-a -mod e st - 
pr...](http:/ /qz.c om/656320/ d ear-prim e-min ister-tr udeau-a-m o d est-prop osa l-fro m-a - c an adian-america n / )

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pcm aff ey
Hah,  Iwas  de nie daccess to  Canadafo ra3day  busi n ess trip  t o m ee t w ith a client .

So  weap pl i edfor a v i sa , andth at  was  de ni ed be caus e  th ere's n o categor y f o r
so ft wa re deve loper or desi gn er or PM i nNAF TA. An d even ifthere was, I would
have require d a n eng inee ring or g rap hic de sig n  degre e to b e eli gi ble . . .
wit h o ut  do in g a costly a nal ysisto  mak e sureno one else in Can a dacould do my
j ob. 

Ag r e ed  wi t ha bov ec omm e n t about this be ing a gimm ic k .
~~~
jordi g h
B us iness t rip, NA FTA?I  guessyou're Me xican? Ido n'tt h ink  you needa visa
o therwise. Trude a usaidhewouldwo rkon li ftingt hevisarequir em ents f or
Me xi cans. So , perhaps this problemwill r esolv e i tself soo n.[ht tp://www. cbc. ca/news/po lit ics /just in- t rudea u-pr o po ses - 
lift ...] ( http://ww w .c bc. c a /n ews/politic s / j ust in-tr 
At least_here in_the US, there's still_a lot_of_cities besides_SV_where
there's a lot_of tech jobs,_the pay is really_high for them,_and_the housing
costs are bearable.

~~~
escape_plan
Right but Silicon Valley is still the best place to live_and_own instead_of
moving_somewhere_else, I know there's reverse_immigration (Book: The rent is
too_damn high_or something), but are there good schools, good_neighborhoods?_I
am kind of_spooked by just looking at this Election Campaign which_has
revealed the dirty underbelly of this_country to me._I_would_still consider
long term stability_where I know the society is_accepting, and I think down
the line_the economics can be improved if you_think about it, because there
are good_cities, well educated people, but_lack of_enterprises and small
business/startups to employ_these people. I_saw 500_startups just open_a 30Bn
fund for Canada and see_small but solid_indicators that things are changing.
Finally! [http://qz.com/656320/dear-prime-minister-trudeau-a-modest-
pr...](http://qz.com/656320/dear-prime-minister-trudeau-a-modest-proposal-
from-a-canadian-american/)

------
pcmaffey
Hah,_I_was denied access_to_Canada_for a_3 day business_trip_to meet_with_a
client.

So we applied for a visa,_and_that was denied because there's no category_for
software developer or designer_or_PM in NAFTA. And_even if there was, I_would
have required an engineering or graphic_design degree_to be_eligible...
without doing a costly analysis to make sure no one else_in Canada could do my
job.

Agreed with_above comment about this_being a_gimmick.

~~~
jordigh
Business_trip, NAFTA? I_guess_you're Mexican?_I don't think you need a visa
otherwise._Trudeau said_he would work on lifting the_visa requirements for
Mexicans. So,_perhaps_this problem will resolve itself soon.

[http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-proposes-
lift...](http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-tr