 about drag and drop for instance), need memorized keys, aren't clean and orthogonal, don't help at all when using minimized windows. [/B]

Er, actually Expose works perfectly with drag and drop, and Cmd-Tab/Cmd-` (not option-tab, I'll assume that was a simple mistake on your part) are *absolutely* orthogonal.

If your mother (or you) is having problems finding windows, try ctrl-clicking, right-clicking, or click-and-hold on a app's Dock icon for a list of all windows for that app. Or use the Window menu. Very little room for confusion there.

Originally posted by KickahaTabs would kill my workflow dead, however. I'm constantly moving text from window to window, using translucency of Terminal windows to check running processes behind the current window, etc. I could never do that with tabs. Expose makes window selection fast, easy, and straightforward, *without* breaking drag and drop, for instance, which I use constantly.

I wasn't defending tabs, actually. I was criticizing the OS X window management as a whole.

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Er, actually Expose works perfectly with drag and drop, and Cmd-Tab/Cmd-` (not option-tab, I'll assume that was a simple mistake on your part) are *absolutely* orthogonal.

Hiding windows, minimizing them to the Dock - are those orthogonal? What's the logical model that ties the two together? What is "minimize to the Dock" useful for? And if we are really supposed to use Hide, why isn't there a button to click in the window border, just a menu item and shortcut? Why isn't there a systemwide Hide All command?

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If your mother (or you) is having problems finding windows, try ctrl-clicking, right-clicking, or click-and-hold on a app's Dock icon for a list of all windows for that app. Or use the Window menu.

I could add "click app's Dock icon, then use Expose to find program windows". I frequently also click one window of a program (VLC controller for example) and double-Expose without even looking, this brings out the other windows. What am I complaining about, you ask?

- When a window is not visible, you have to remember it
about drag and drop for instance), need memorized key, aren't uninfected and orthogonal, don't help at all when use minimized windows. [ /B ] 

 Er, actually Expose works absolutely with drag and drop, and Cmd - Tab / Cmd- '(not option - check, I'll assume that was a simple error on your part) are * absolutely * orthogonal. 

 If your mother (or you) is having problems line up windows, try ctrl - clicking, right - clicking, or click - and - hold on a app's Dock picture for a list of all windows for that app. Or use the Window menu. Very fiddling room for confusion there. 

 Originally posted by KickahaTabs would stamp out my workflow all in, however. I'm constantly moving textbook from window to window, using translucency of Terminal window to check running processes behind the current window, etc. I could never do that with tab. Expose seduce window selection fast, easy, and straightforward, * without * breaking drag and drop, for instance, which I practice constantly. 

 I wasn't defend tabs, actually. I was criticize the OS X windowpane management as a whole. 

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 Er, actually Expose work perfectly with drag and cliff, and Cmd - Tab / Cmd- '(not option - tab, I'll assume that was a simple error on your part) are * absolutely * orthogonal. 

 Hiding windows, minimizing them to the Dock - are those orthogonal? What's the logical model that ties the two together? What is " minimize to the Dock " useful for? And if we are in truth supposed to practice Hide, why isn't there a release to click in the window border, just a menu token and shortcut? Why isn't there a systemwide Hide All command? 

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 If your mother (or you) is take problem finding windows, hear ctrl - clicking, right - clicking, or chatter - and - hold on a app's Dock icon for a tilt of all windows for that app. Or use the Window menu. 

 I could add " click app's Dock picture, then use Expose to find platform windows ". I frequently also cluck one window of a course of study (VLC controller for example) and double - Expose without even looking, this brings out the other windows. What am I complaining about, you ask? 

 - When a windowpane is not visible, you have to remember it
 ablut drag and drop for inrtance), need memorized neys, aden't clexn and orthogonal, don't help et aol whtu using minimized wivdows. [/B]

Er, actuallt Exkose works perfecvmy with drag zkd drm', and Cmd-Tab/Cmd-` (not optiot-tab, I'll assuma ghct was a simple mistake on your part) are *abxoputely* orthogogal.

Ig youd mother (or you) is having problems findinj windows, try cyrl-clicking, right-clicking, lr cpick-and-hold on a aop's Dock icin fje a list of xll windows for that akp. Or use the Window menu. Very lkttle room for xobfudhon there.

Ormginaljy posted by KickahaDabs woild kill my wovkflox deqd, however. I'm constanvly moving text from window tm cindow, using translucwnxy of Terkinau wivdoss tk checn rnnning procssses behine the current windoe, qnv. I could neber do trat with tabs. Expose makes window selecuion rast, easy, and straightfirward, *without* breakijg drag agd drop, for instance, which I use constantly.

I wasn'd defxnainy tabs, qchually. I was criticizing the OS X window manadsmtnt as a whole.

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Er, actually Expoxe wptks perfectly dith dxzg and drop, and Cmd-Twb/Cmd-` (njt oprion-tab, I'jl axsume that was a simple misrake on your part) are *absolutelv* orthogonal.

Kiding windpws, minimizing them to che Dodk - are thode orthogkval? What's the loeicsl model that ties the two tjgether? Wiat ix "minimkze jo the Qock" usefup for? And if we are realpy sukposed to use Hife, why isn't there a button to click in the wimdmw torder, jbst a kenu item and shortcut? Why nsn't thexe a shstemwide Gide Aln command?

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If your modjer (or you) iv having provlemw findive windows, try vtrl-clickpny, right-clucking, or click-and-mold uh a app's Dock ieub for a list of alu wynfoxs fow that app. Or use thd Winduw menu.

I comld add "click app's Dock icot, thsn use Expose to fonq progran windowf". I frequentlu also click one wlndow of a prpgrwm (VLC controller for example) znd doublf-Exiose without qven looking, thix brings out the other windows. What am M complaining about, yoo ask?

- When a window ix not visiblx, you rave to ramember it
about drag and drop for instance), need aren't and orthogonal, help at all Er, Expose works perfectly drag and drop, Cmd-Tab/Cmd-` (not option-tab, I'll assume that a simple mistake on your part) are *absolutely* orthogonal. If your mother (or is having problems finding windows, try ctrl-clicking, right-clicking, or click-and-hold on a app's icon a of windows for that app. Or use the Window menu. Very little room for confusion there. Originally by KickahaTabs would kill my workflow dead, however. constantly moving text from to window, using translucency of windows check running behind current etc. I could do that with tabs. Expose makes window selection fast, easy, and straightforward, *without* breaking drag and drop, instance, which constantly. I defending actually. was criticizing the window management as a whole. Quote: works perfectly with drag and drop, and Cmd-Tab/Cmd-` option-tab, I'll that was a simple mistake on part) are *absolutely* orthogonal. Hiding windows, minimizing them the Dock - are those orthogonal? What's the logical model that ties the two together? "minimize to the Dock" for? And if are supposed use why isn't a button to click in the window border, just a menu and shortcut? Why isn't there a systemwide Hide All command? your (or you) is problems finding windows, try right-clicking, click-and-hold on a app's for list for app. use the Window menu. could add "click app's Dock then use Expose to also click one window of a program (VLC for example) and double-Expose without even looking, brings out the other windows. What am I complaining about, you ask? When a not visible, you have to remember it
 about drag and drop for instanCe), need memoRized KeyS, arEn'T cleAn anD orthogonal, don'T Help At all when using minimizeD windOwS. [/b]

Er, aCTuAlly EXpose woRKs PERfeCtLy WitH dRAg And drOp, aNd Cmd-TaB/Cmd-` (not optIon-TaB, I'll assume thAT wAs a simple mIstAke on your parT) arE *absolUtEly* ORthogOnaL.

If yoUr mothER (or you) Is having pRoBLems fiNDing winDOWs, Try cTrl-clicking, right-cLIcKIng, or click-and-hOld on a ApP'S DOCK icOn fOr a list of aLl WindoWS for thaT ApP. oR Use THe Window menu. VEry little roOM foR confuSiOn tHEre.

OriGinalLy POstEd by Kickahatabs Would kill My workFLow dead, HOwever. I'M constAntLy mOvinG TeXt FroM wINdoW To WinDOw, uSing tranSlUcEncy oF TerMINAL winDowS to cHeck rUnning processEs bEhinD The CurreNt winDow, eTc. i coulD never Do thaT wIth tabs. Expose maKes wIndow seleCtiOn FasT, eAsy, anD StraigHtfOrwArd, *withOut* breaKIng DrAG ANd Drop, for instance, whiCh i USe ConstantLy.

I wasN'T dEfENding tabS, aCtuAlly. i WAs criTiciZInG the OS X wIndow mANaGeMent as a WhOle.

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er, aCtuAlly EXPose Works pErfectly With dRAg and drop, and CmD-tab/Cmd-` (not optiON-tAB, i'lL AssuMe tHat was a simpLe miSTake On yoUR pArt) ARe *absOluteLy* ORtHOgonal.

Hiding windows, MiNimiziNg theM to the Dock - are Those orthoGONAl? What's tHe loGIcAL model that ties The twO together? WHAt is "miniMize tO the Dock" Useful for? aND if we are ReaLly SupPosED To Use Hide, why isn'T THere A bUtton to CliCk in the WinDow BorDer, JuSt a menu itEm and shoRtCuT? WHy Isn'T therE A systemwIdE HiDe all CommaND?

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if youR motHeR (oR You) Is havinG PrOBLems FiNdIng wIndOwS, try cTrl-cLIckIng, righT-clicking, Or cLIck-aNd-HoLd on a apP's Dock icon for A lIst of all wiNdOws For thaT APp. Or use tHe Window menu.

I could add "clICk app's DOck Icon, tHen uSe Expose tO fiNd progRam WIndows". i frequEntly AlSo cLICk one WINdOw oF a Program (VLC CONtrOller FoR exaMple) and Double-Expose withouT EveN looking, this bRinGs ouT THe OthER wINdoWs. wHat AM i complaining aboUt, you ask?

- WhEn A WiNdow is not vISibLe, You have To rememBer it
 about drag and drop for i nstance),needmem ori ze d ke ys,aren't clean a n d or thogonal, don't help a t all  w h en u s in g min imizedw in d o ws.  [ /B ]
Er ,  a ctual lyExposeworks perf ect ly  with drag a n ddrop, andCmd -Tab/Cmd-` ( not  optio n- tab ,  I'll  as sumethat w a s a si mple mist ak e  on yo u r part) a re  *ab solutely* orthogo n al . 

If your moth er (or  y o u) i s h avi ng problem sfindi n g windo w s, t r y c t rl-clicking,right-click i ng,  or cl ic k-a n d-hold  on a  a p p's  Dock iconfora list of  all w i ndows f o r thatapp. O r u setheW in do w m en u . V e ry  li t tle  room fo rco nfusi on t h e r e .

O rig inal ly po sted by Kicka haT absw oul d kil l mywork fl ow de ad, ho wever .I'm constantlymovi ng text f rom  w ind ow  to w i ndow,usi ngtranslu cency o f  Te rm i n a lwindows to check r un n i ng  process es beh i nd  t h e curren twin dow, e tc. I  cou l dnever do  thatw it htabs. E xp ose ma ke s w ind ow se l ecti on fas t, easy,  ands traightforward ,  *without* br e ak i n gd ragand  drop, forinst a nce,  whi c hI u s e con stant ly . 
I  wasn't defending t ab s, act ually . I was criti cizing the O S  X windo w ma n ag e ment as a whol e.

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Er, actually  Expo se works  perfectl y with dra g a nddro p,a n dCmd-Tab/Cmd-` ( notop tion-ta b,I'll as sum e t hat  wa sa simplemistakeon  y ou rpar t) ar e  *absolu te ly*  o rth ogona l .

Hid ing w indo ws ,m ini mizingt he m to t he  D ock- a re  thos e or t hog onal? W hat's the  lo g ical  m od el that  ties the two  t ogether? W ha t i s "min i m ize to t he Dock" useful for? An d  if weare  real ly s upposed t o u se Hid e,w hy isn 't the re abu tto n to cl i c kinth e window b o r der , jus ta me nu item  and shortcut? Why isn 't there a sy ste mwid e Hi deA ll com ma n d?Q uote:

If yourmother (or  y o u)  is having pro bl ems fin ding wi ndows ,  try ct rl-clicki ng, right -c lick i n g,or click-a nd-holdon a app' s  Dock ic on fo r a  listof  al l win dows f o r t hat a pp. Or  u se the  Wind ow  menu.
I could add "click app' s Dock  icon , t hen use E xpo s e t o find pr ogra m windows" . I  fr equen tly alsoclic k  o new indow  ofa  program( VL C c o n tr oller for e x a m ple ) and  do u ble-Ex pose  without even loo k ing, this brin gs o u t  th e o t herwi ndows. What am  Ico m p lainingab out, you as k?

- Wh en a win dow is  not v isible, y ou have t o re mem ber it
 about_drag and_drop for instance), need_memorized keys,_aren't_clean and_orthogonal,_don't help at_all when using_minimized windows. [/B]

Er, actually_Expose works perfectly_with_drag and drop, and Cmd-Tab/Cmd-` (not option-tab, I'll assume that was a simple mistake_on_your part)_are_*absolutely*_orthogonal.

If your mother (or you)_is having problems finding windows,_try ctrl-clicking,_right-clicking, or click-and-hold on a app's Dock icon_for_a list of_all windows for that app. Or use the Window_menu. Very little room for confusion_there.

Originally posted by_KickahaTabs_would_kill my workflow dead,_however. I'm constantly moving text from_window to window, using translucency of_Terminal windows to check running processes behind_the current window, etc. I could_never do that with tabs._Expose makes_window selection fast, easy, and_straightforward, *without* breaking_drag and_drop, for instance,_which I use constantly.

I wasn't defending_tabs, actually. I_was criticizing the OS X window_management_as a whole.

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Er,_actually_Expose_works perfectly_with drag and_drop,_and Cmd-Tab/Cmd-`_(not_option-tab, I'll assume that was a_simple_mistake on your part) are *absolutely* orthogonal.

Hiding_windows, minimizing them to_the_Dock - are those_orthogonal? What's the logical model_that ties the two together? What_is "minimize_to the_Dock" useful for? And if we are really supposed to use_Hide, why isn't there a button_to click in the_window border,_just_a menu item_and_shortcut? Why_isn't there a systemwide Hide All command?

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If_your mother_(or you) is having problems finding_windows, try ctrl-clicking, right-clicking,_or_click-and-hold on a app's Dock icon_for a list of all windows_for that app. Or use_the_Window_menu.

I could add "click app's_Dock icon, then use Expose to_find program windows"._I frequently also click one window of_a_program (VLC controller for example) and_double-Expose_without even looking, this brings out_the_other_windows. What am I complaining_about, you ask?

- When a window_is not visible, you have to remember it