 then doesn't that make Chapo nihilistic and pointless? If transgression as an ethic is dumb, shouldn't Nagle be criticizing a podcast named (ahem) Chapo Trap House, rather than talking about how great they are?

Nagle and Halper don't have an answer. Instead, Nagle simply backs and fills, muttering about how Chapo is materialist, and therefore opposed to the alt right and identity politics. This comes in at the end of the episode, and as an argument it's never fleshed out. But the rest of the podcast suggests that what we've got here is an undertheorized conception of backlash. The alt right, for Nagle, does not just take its transgressive ideology from the left. Rather, it is a reaction to the left.

If that sounds like a familiar talking point, it's only because it's a familiar talking point. Nazis themselves always present themselves as aggrieved parties; their violence and rage is always, supposedly, an understandable reaction to the aggression of Jews and other marginalized people.

Of course, Nazis lie all the time. You shouldn't trust Nazis. Nor should you sympathize with Nazis as Nazis. This seems like a pretty straightforward rule of thumb. Yet, Nagle consistently sympathizes with and re-broadcasts alt right burble, treating that burble as if it is some leftist insight. She explains the appeal of the alt right by saying that many young people, "started being so irritated by the online culture of public shaming that Jon Ronson wrote about. This skips lightly over the fact that the right wing movement #gamergate was itself a massive exercise in online shaming—and of course Nazi and far right harassment long precedes the existence of the Internet.

Similarly, Nagle talks about Richard Spencer's speech at Auburn University, and says his listeners cheered when he spoke about their "proud heritage." Again, she attributes the appeal of Spencer to the leftist culture of shaming. In her mind, white people have been shamed; therefore they naturally embrace white nationalism.

This is all nonsense. White nationalism in the United States didn't start in 2015 as a backlash to tumblr. Spencer, in talking about "heritage" is speaking the language of neo-Confederacy. That language began following the Civil War; Confederates created a myth about how they were humiliated and put upon by out of control
then doesn't that make Chapo nihilistic and pointless? If transgression as an ethic is dumb, shouldn't Nagle be criticizing a podcast name (hem) Chapo Trap House, rather than talking about how big they are? 

 Nagle and Halper don't own an answer. Instead, Nagle merely backs and fills, mumble about how Chapo is materialist, and therefore opposed to the alt right field and identity politics. This comes in at the end of the episode, and as an argument it's never flesh out. But the rest of the podcast suggests that what we've experience here is an undertheorized invention of recoil. The alt right, for Nagle, does not just take its transgressive political orientation from the left. Rather, it is a reaction to the left. 

 If that sounds like a conversant talking compass point, it's only because it's a familiar talking distributor point. Nazis themselves always present themselves as aggrieved parties; their violence and rage is always, supposedly, an understandable reaction to the aggression of Jews and other marginalized people. 

 Of course, Nazis lie all the time. You shouldn't believe Nazis. Nor should you sympathize with Nazis as Nazis. This seems like a reasonably square principle of thumb. Yet, Nagle systematically sympathizes with and rhenium - broadcasts alt right burble, treat that burble as if it is some leftist insight. She explains the appeal of the alt right by saying that many young multitude, " started being so irritated by the online acculturation of public shaming that Jon Ronson publish about. This jump lightly over the fact that the right wing movement # gamergate was itself a massive exercise in online shaming — and of course Nazi and far proper harassment long precedes the existence of the Internet. 

 Similarly, Nagle talks about Richard Spencer's speech at Auburn University, and says his hearer cheered when he spoke about their " proud heritage. " Again, she attributes the entreaty of Spencer to the leftist culture of dishonor. In her mind, blank people have been shame; therefore they naturally embrace ashen nationalism. 

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 then doesn't that make Chapo niHilistic anD poinTleSs? IF tRansGresSion as an ethic iS Dumb, Shouldn't Nagle be criticiZing a PoDCast NAmEd (aheM) Chapo TRAp hOUse, RaThEr tHaN TaLking AboUt how grEat they are?

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Similarly, Nagle talks aboUT RicharD SpEncer'S speEch at AubuRn UNiversIty, ANd says His lisTenerS cHeeRED when HE SpOke AbOut their "prOUD heRitagE." AGain, She attrIbutes the appeal of SPEncEr to the leftisT cuLturE OF sHamINg. iN heR mINd, wHITe people have beeN shamed; theReFOrE they naturALly EmBrace whIte natiOnaliSM.

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 then doesn't that make Ch apo nihili sticand  po in tles s? I f transgressio n  asan ethic is dumb, shou ldn't  N a gleb ecriti cizinga  p o d cas tna med  ( a he m) Ch apo  Trap H ouse, rath erth an talking a b ou t how grea t t hey are?

Na gle  and H al per don't  ha ve an  answe r . Inst ead, Nagl es implyb acks an d fi lls,  muttering abouth ow Chapo is mater ialist ,a nd t her efo re opposed  t o the alt rig h ta n d  id e ntity politic s. This com e s i n at t he  en d  of th e epi so d e,and as an a rgum ent it'sneverf leshedo ut. But  the r est  of  the po dc ast  s u gge s ts  th a t w hat we'v ego t her e is a n unde rth eori zed c onception ofbac klas h . T he al t rig ht,fo r Nag le, do es no tjust take its t rans gressiveide ol ogy  f rom t h e left . R ath er, itis a re a cti on t o  t he left.

If thatso u n ds  like afamili a rta l king poi nt , i t'so n ly be caus e  i t's a fa miliar ta lk ing poi nt . Nazi sthe mse lvesa lway s pres ent them selve s  as aggrievedp arties; their vi o l en c e an d r age is alwa ys,s uppo sedl y ,anu nders tanda bl e  r e action to the aggre ss ion of  Jews  and other ma rginalized p e ople.

O f co u rs e , Nazis lie al l the  time. You shouldn' t tru st Nazis . Nor sho u l d you sy mpa thi zewit h Na zis as Nazis. T hisse ems lik e a  pretty  st rai ght for wa rd rule o f thumb.  Y et ,Na gle  cons i stentlysy mpa th ize s wit h  and r e-bro adca st sa ltright b u rb l e , tr ea ti ng t hat  b urble  asi f i t is so me leftis t i n sigh t.  S he expl ains the appe al  of the al trig ht bys a ying tha t many young people, "s t arted b ein g soirri tated bythe  onlin e c u ltureof pub lic s ha min g thatJ o nRon so n wrote ab o u t.Thissk ipslightly  over the fact tha t  th e right wingmov emen t #g ame r ga t e w as its e l f a massive exe rcise in o nl i ne  shaming—a n d o fcourseNazi an d far right h arassment  long pre ce dest h e e xistence o f the In ternet.
S imila r ly , Nag letalksab out  Rich ard Sp e nce r's s peechat  Aubur n Uni ve rsity, a nd says his listeners c heered  when  he  spoke ab out the ir "proud  her itage." Ag ain , s he at tri b utesthea pp eal of Sp ence r  to the l e ft ist c ul ture of sha m i n g.In he r m i nd, wh itepeople have beens hamed; therefo re t h e y n atu r ally  e mbrace white n ati on a l ism.

Th is  is all non sense. W hi t e nat ionali sm inthe Uni t e dS tatesdidn 'tstart in201 5a s a bac kl as h  to tu mblr .Spence r, int alki n g  about "heritage " iss p eakin g  th e lan gu age ofn eo-C onfederacy . That lang uage b egan  foll owing t he  Civil  Wa r;  Confedera t es create d a m yth abo ut  how  th ey wer e hu m i liate d an dput  upon byo u to fco n tro l
 then_doesn't that_make Chapo nihilistic and_pointless? If_transgression_as an_ethic_is dumb, shouldn't_Nagle be criticizing_a podcast named (ahem)_Chapo Trap House,_rather_than talking about how great they are?

Nagle and Halper don't have an answer. Instead,_Nagle_simply backs_and_fills,_muttering about how Chapo is_materialist, and therefore opposed to_the alt_right and identity politics. This comes in at_the_end of the_episode, and as an argument it's never fleshed out._But the rest of the podcast_suggests that what_we've_got_here is an undertheorized_conception of backlash. The alt right,_for Nagle, does not just take_its transgressive ideology from the left. Rather,_it is a reaction to the_left.

If that sounds like a_familiar talking_point, it's only because it's_a familiar talking_point. Nazis_themselves always present_themselves as aggrieved parties; their violence_and rage is_always, supposedly, an understandable reaction to_the_aggression of Jews_and_other_marginalized people.

Of_course, Nazis lie_all_the time._You_shouldn't trust Nazis. Nor should you_sympathize_with Nazis as Nazis. This seems like_a pretty straightforward rule_of_thumb. Yet, Nagle consistently_sympathizes with and re-broadcasts alt_right burble, treating that burble as_if it_is some_leftist insight. She explains the appeal of the alt right by_saying that many young people, "started_being so irritated by_the online_culture_of public shaming_that_Jon Ronson_wrote about. This skips lightly over the_fact that_the right wing movement #gamergate was_itself a massive exercise_in_online shaming—and of course Nazi and_far right harassment long precedes the_existence of the Internet.

Similarly, Nagle_talks_about_Richard Spencer's speech at Auburn_University, and says his listeners cheered_when he spoke_about their "proud heritage." Again, she attributes_the_appeal of Spencer to the leftist_culture_of shaming. In her mind, white_people_have_been shamed; therefore they naturally_embrace white nationalism.

This is all nonsense._White nationalism in the United States didn't start in_2015 as a_backlash to tumblr. Spencer, in_talking_about_"heritage" is speaking the language of neo-Confederacy. That language began_following the_Civil War; Confederates_created a myth about how they were humiliated and put_upon by out of control