 controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act.... An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.

Well, not QUITE. Until the early 20th century, dying in childbirth was a real and regular risk. One also has to keep in mind what happened to those women without protection from “marauding” male armies.

“Most of this narrative stems from ‘feminists’ comparing the plight of average women to the topmost men (the monarch and other aristocrats), rather than to the average man.”

Yes, and to make the fallacy a bit less obvious, they’ve invented the notion of “the patriarchy” to give impressionable people the idea that all men held some privileged status in society simply because of their sex. In reality, men throughout history have shown little to no regard for each other based on sex alone. Class and caste have always been much more determinative factors for status in society, and those cross the sex divide. An upper class woman had more rights and privileges than a lower class man, and they still do in most places, so where is this “patriarchy”?

“Until the early 20th century, dying in childbirth was a real and regular risk.”

Which is men’s fault how exactly? A natural pitfall of life isn’t “oppression”.

“One also has to keep in mind what happened to those women without protection from marauding male armies.”

Yes, but this wasn’t something done to women by their own society, but by the enemies of both the men and women of their society. Their men were out there fighting and dying to prevent that from happening to the women. Maybe if they had known that, instead of gratitude for their sacrifice, the fairer sex would try to blame them for it later on, they wouldn’t have bothered.

Many, many societies also oppress the men as well. They also have the nasty habit of killing them. Look at Iran and Iraq in the eighties. An entire generation of both countries men where slaughtered in a useless, unwinable war.

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posted on 03/03/2012 9:20:06 PM PST
by Jim from C-Town
(The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)

Ridicule is a great tool against liars
controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy citizenry are not implicated enough to act.... An organizer must touch up dissatisfaction and discontentment. 

 Well, not QUITE. Until the early 20th century, dying in childbirth was a actual and regular risk. One besides have to observe in mind what happened to those women without protection from “ marauding ” male armies. 

 “ Most of this narrative stems from ‘ feminist ’ comparing the plight of average woman to the topmost men (the monarch and early aristocrats), quite than to the average world. ” 

 Yes, and to make the fallacy a bit less obvious, they ’ve invented the impression of “ the patriarchy ” to give impressionable people the idea that all men held some privileged condition in club simply because of their sex. In reality, men throughout history have shown little to no regard for each other based on sexual activity entirely. Class and caste have always been much more deciding divisor for status in society, and those cross the sex divide. An upper class woman get more rights and privileges than a lower class homo, and they still do in most places, so where is this “ patriarchy ”? 

 “ Until the early 20th hundred, dying in childbirth was a actual and regular risk. ” 

 Which is men ’s fault how exactly? A lifelike pitfall of life is n’t “ oppression ”. 

 “ One also has to keep in mind what happened to those women without protection from marauding male army. ” 

 Yes, but this was n’t something done to women by their own club, but by the enemies of both the man and women of their club. Their men were away there fighting and dying to prevent that from happening to the womanhood. Maybe if they had sleep together that, instead of gratitude for their sacrifice, the fairer sex would try to blame them for it later on, they would n’t have bothered. 

 Many, many society also oppress the work force as well. They also have the nasty habit of killing them. attend at Iran and Iraq in the eighties. An entire generation of both countries men where slaughtered in a useless, unwinable war. 

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 posted on 03/03/2012 9:20:06 prime minister PST 
 by Jim from C - Town 
 (The politics is rarely beneficent, often malevolent and never benign !) 

 Ridicule is a great tool against liars
 cojtroversy and issues, ratmer than avoid tkwm, for unlesa there ks controversy people are nov cobcerntb enough to act.... An ofganizer lust stie up eissatisfarfion and disckktent.

Ceol, not QUITE. Uktil the easly 20th century, dhiug in childbirth was a real and regujar risl. Lne also has tj ketp yn mjnd what happened to those women wjthout krotection from “matauding” male armies.

“Most of thid narrative stems vrom ‘feminiwts’ simparing the plight of average womgn to the topmost men (the monarcf and other ariwticrwjs), rather then to nhe average man.”

Yes, ang to male the fallacy a uit oess obvious, they’ve iivented the notion os “the patsicrchy” to give impressuobable peo[le gye kdez vhaf all len held some privileged status in society xiiiky because or theiw fex. In reality, men throughout history hdve shown little to no regqrd for each other baded on sev alone. Class and caste have always been much mora detxroincblve wqchors for status in society, and those cross thq stx civide. An uppev class woman had koge tights and prixileges tgan a lower class lan, and they still do in kost places, so where is thiw “patriarchy”?

“Lntio the early 20th cencury, dying iu chilcbirtn was a real and regulax risk.”

Shich is mej’s fault guw exactly? A natjrak [itfall of life isn’t “opprefsion”.

“One elso kas to kdep on minq what hapoened to those women witjout krotecdion from larauding male armies.”

Yes, but thmx wasn’t somejhitg gone to comen ny their own sosiety, but by tke enemizs of coth the mvn and woken of theiw society. Theht men were ouv there fyghtung qnd dyive to prevent tnat from kcppening ro the women. Maybe if fhey had known ckau, unstead of grayitjde flr trair sacrifica, thd fxorer rex would tvy go bkame them for it latar oh, they wouldn’t havr nothered.

Mqny, many societies alxo oppress the men as wxll. Thxy alsp hwve the nasty habit of killing them. Loon ab Iran and Irwq ik thg eighties. Cn entire generation of both countries mxn where slaughtered in a useless, unwinablg wsr.

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posted on 03/03/2012 9:20:06 PM PST
by Jik from C-Town
(The goveenment is rarely nenevolent, often malevklent dnd nfver benign!)

Ridicule is a great tool against liars
controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, there controversy people not concerned enough stir dissatisfaction and discontent. not QUITE. Until early 20th century, dying in childbirth a real and regular risk. One also has to keep in mind what to those women without protection from “marauding” male armies. “Most of this narrative from comparing plight average women to the topmost men (the monarch and other aristocrats), rather than to the average Yes, and to make the fallacy a bit obvious, they’ve invented the of “the patriarchy” to give people idea that men some status in society because of their sex. In reality, men throughout history have shown little to no regard for each based on Class and have been more determinative factors in society, and those cross the upper class woman had more rights and privileges a lower man, and they still do in places, so where is this “patriarchy”? “Until the 20th century, dying in childbirth was a real and regular risk.” Which is men’s fault A natural pitfall of isn’t “oppression”. “One has keep mind happened to women without protection from marauding male armies.” Yes, but this wasn’t done to women by their own society, but by the both men and women their society. Their men out fighting and dying to from to if had that, instead of gratitude their sacrifice, the fairer sex try to blame them wouldn’t have bothered. Many, many societies also oppress men as well. They also have the habit of killing them. Look at Iran and Iraq in the eighties. entire generation countries men where slaughtered in a useless, unwinable 20 posted on 03/03/2012 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is benevolent, malevolent and benign!) Ridicule is great tool against
 controversy and issues, ratheR than avoid Them, fOr uNleSs TherE is cOntroversy peopLE are Not concerned enough to acT.... An orGaNIzer MUsT stir Up dissaTIsFACtiOn AnD diScONtEnt.

WeLl, nOt QUITE. until the eaRly 20Th Century, dying IN cHildbirth wAs a Real and regulAr rIsk. One AlSo hAS to keEp iN mind What haPPened tO those womEn WIthout PRotectiON FrOm “maRauding” male armies.

“mOsT Of this narrativE stems FrOM ‘fEMIniSts’ Comparing tHe PlighT Of averaGE wOMEN to THe topmost men (tHe monarch anD OthEr arisToCraTS), ratheR than To THe aVerage man.”

YeS, and To make the FallacY A bit lesS Obvious, They’ve InvEntEd thE NoTiOn oF “tHE paTRiArcHY” to Give imprEsSiOnablE peoPLE THe idEa tHat aLl men Held some priviLegEd stATus In socIety sImplY bEcausE of theIr sex. in Reality, men throuGhouT history hAve ShOwn LiTtle tO No regaRd fOr eAch otheR based oN Sex AlONE. clAss and caste have alwAyS BEeN much morE deterMInAtIVe factorS fOr sTatuS IN sociEty, aND tHose crosS the seX DiViDe. An uppEr Class wOmAn hAd mOre riGHts aNd privIleges thAn a loWEr class man, and tHEy still do in moST pLACeS, So whEre Is this “patriArchY”?

“untiL the EArLy 20tH CentuRy, dyiNg IN cHIldbirth was a real and ReGular rIsk.”

WhIch is men’s faulT how exactlY? a NAtural piTfalL Of LIfe isn’t “oppressIon”.

“OnE also has to KEep in minD what Happened To those woMEN without ProTecTioN frOM MaRauding male arMIEs.”

YeS, bUt this wAsn’T somethIng DonE to WomEn By their owN society, BuT bY tHe EneMies oF Both the mEn And WoMen Of theIR socieTy. TheIr meN wErE Out There fiGHtING and DyInG to pRevEnT that From HAppEning to The women. MAybE If thEy HaD known tHat, instead of gRaTitude for tHeIr sAcrifiCE, The faireR sex would try to blame them FOr it latEr oN, they WoulDn’t have boTheRed.

ManY, maNY socieTies alSo oppReSs tHE Men as WELl. theY aLso have the NASty Habit Of KillIng them. look at Iran and Iraq iN The Eighties. An entIre GeneRATiOn oF BoTH coUnTRieS MEn where slaughteRed in a uselEsS, UnWinable war.

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POstEd On 03/03/2012 9:20:06 PM PST
By Jim frOm C-ToWN
(The govErnment is Rarely benEvOlenT, OFteN malevolenT and neveR benign!)

RiDIcule IS a Great TooL againSt LiaRs
 controversy and issues, r ather than  avoi d t hem ,forunle ss there is co n trov ersy people are not co ncern ed enou g hto ac t.... A n  o r g ani ze rmus ts ti r updis satisfa ction anddis co ntent.

Well ,  n ot QUITE.Unt il the early  20 th cen tu ry, dying  in  chil dbirth was areal andre g ular r i sk. One a ls o ha s to keep in mind wh a t happened tothosewo m en w ith out  protectio nfrom“ maraudi n g” m a lea rmies.

“Most  of this na r rat ive st em s f r om ‘fe minis ts ’  co mparing the  pli ght of av eragew omen to the top most m en(th e mo n ar ch  an do the r  a ris t ocr ats), ra th er  than  tot h e aver age  man .”

Y es, and to ma kethef all acy a  bitless  o bviou s, the y’vein vented the noti on o f “the pa tri ar chy ”to gi v e impr ess ion able pe ople th e  id ea t h at  all men held some  p r i vi leged st atus i n  s oc i ety simp ly  be caus e of th eirs ex . In rea lity,m en  t hrougho ut  histo ry  ha veshown litt le tono regar d for each other bas e d on sex alon e .C l as s  and  ca ste have al ways been  muc h  m ore deter minat iv e  f a ctors for status in  s ociety , and  those crossthe sex di v i d e. An up perc la s s woman had mo re ri ghts and p r ivileges  than  a lower  class ma n ,  and the y s til l d o i n mo st places, so w here  i s this“pa triarch y”? 

“ Unt ilth e early 2 0th cent ur y,  d yi ngin ch i ldbirthwa s a  r eal  andr egular  risk .”
Wh ic h  is  men’sf au l t  how  e xa ctly ? A  n atura l pi t fal l of li fe isn’t“op p ress io n” .

“One  also has toke ep in mind  w hat  happe n e d to tho se women without protec t ion fro m  marau ding  male ar mie s.”

Y es, but th is was n’t s om eth i n g don e to  wo me n by their o wnsocie ty , bu t by th e enemies of botht hemen and women  of  the i r  s oci e ty .  Th ei r  me n were out therefighting a nd dy ing to pre v ent  t hat fro m happe ningt o the w omen. May be if the yhadk n own  that, ins tead ofgratitude for t h ei r sac rif ice, t he  fa irersex wo u ldtry t o blam ethem f or it  l ater on,  they wouldn’t have bot hered. 

Man y,many soci eti e s a lso oppre ss t he men aswel l.Theyals o  have  the na sty habit  ofk illing th e m.  Lo o k  a t Iran andI r a q i n the  ei g hties.  Anentire generation of both countr iesm e n w her e  sla ug htered in a us ele ss , unwinabl ewar.

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po sted on03 / 03/20 12 9:2 0:06 P M PST
b y Ji m  fromC-To wn(The gove rnm en t  is rar el yb enevol ent,  o ften m alevol e nt a n d  never benign!)
Ridi c u le is a g reatto ol agai n st l iars
 controversy_and issues,_rather than avoid them,_for unless_there_is controversy_people_are not concerned_enough to act...._An organizer must stir_up dissatisfaction and_discontent.

Well,_not QUITE. Until the early 20th century, dying in childbirth was a real and_regular_risk. One_also_has_to keep in mind what_happened to those women without_protection from_“marauding” male armies.

“Most of this narrative stems from_‘feminists’_comparing the plight_of average women to the topmost men (the monarch_and other aristocrats), rather than to_the average man.”

Yes,_and_to_make the fallacy a_bit less obvious, they’ve invented the_notion of “the patriarchy” to give_impressionable people the idea that all men_held some privileged status in society_simply because of their sex._In reality,_men throughout history have shown_little to no_regard for_each other based_on sex alone. Class and caste_have always been_much more determinative factors for status_in_society, and those_cross_the_sex divide._An upper class_woman_had more_rights_and privileges than a lower class_man,_and they still do in most places,_so where is this_“patriarchy”?

“Until_the early 20th century,_dying in childbirth was a_real and regular risk.”

Which is men’s_fault how_exactly? A_natural pitfall of life isn’t “oppression”.

“One also has to keep in_mind what happened to those women_without protection from marauding_male armies.”

Yes,_but_this wasn’t something_done_to women_by their own society, but by the_enemies of_both the men and women of_their society. Their men_were_out there fighting and dying to_prevent that from happening to the_women. Maybe if they had_known_that,_instead of gratitude for their_sacrifice, the fairer sex would try_to blame them_for it later on, they wouldn’t have_bothered.

Many,_many societies also oppress the men_as_well. They also have the nasty_habit_of_killing them. Look at Iran_and Iraq in the eighties. An_entire generation of both countries men where slaughtered in_a useless, unwinable_war.

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posted on 03/03/2012 9:20:06 PM_PST
by_Jim_from C-Town
(The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never_benign!)

Ridicule is_a great tool_against liars