 a life is not on a set course.

Yours and mine are not on a set course. The characters in Randland are. Unless they are Ta'veren.

Flinn Sedai

04-28-2012, 10:33 AM

Yours and mine are not on a set course. The characters in Randland are. Unless they are Ta'veren.

Based on what?

Also, if anything, ta'veren have a more set path than anybody else.

Swordcrowned

04-28-2012, 10:40 AM

Based on what?

Also, if anything, ta'veren have a more set path than anybody else.

Based on the series and how it describes each persons life as a thread in the Pattern. And Ta'veren may at times be held tighter to the pattern than others, but they are the only ones who can force the pattern to weave around them.

I will try to find some quotes on this, but it will have to wait til i get back to the states next week.

fionwe1987

04-28-2012, 01:40 PM

Whatever basic principles of operation explain Aviendha's future vision must also explain the previous operation. Otherwise, two ter'angreal would be a less complex solution, especially since a ter'angreal to tap into the mirror worlds was already present in Rhuidean.
I did provide a basic principle of operation that can explain both the usual functions of the Galss Columns pre-ToM and explain how it worked for Aviendha in ToM. Quite simply, Mirror World data can easily be used to infer the actual past.

And Mirror World data was used to show Aviendha the most likely future based on decisions made up to the point she started seeing the visions. Aviendha senses an "awareness" from the ter'angreal. I think that is simply RJ's/BS's code for "supercomputer". The Glass Columns access Mirror World data, either from the World of Dreams or in a manner similar to Portal Stones (whose architecture they even resemble, in some ways). Unlike the Apprentice rings, however, they don't show all possible Mirror World variations but instead calculate the actual past and the most probably future based on current trends.

Since doing these kind of calculations for everyone who tries to use it
a life is not on a set course. 

 Yours and mine are not on a set path. The character in Randland are. Unless they are Ta'veren. 

 Flinn Sedai 

 04 - 28 - 2012, 10:33 AM 

 Yours and mine are not on a located class. The characters in Randland are. Unless they are Ta'veren. 

 Based on what? 

 besides, if anything, ta'veren have a more set path than anybody else. 

 Swordcrowned 

 04 - 28 - 2012, 10:40 AM 

 Based on what? 

 besides, if anything, ta'veren take a more set way than anybody else. 

 Based on the series and how it describes each persons biography as a thread in the Pattern. And Ta'veren may at times be held tighter to the pattern than others, but they are the lone ones who can force the pattern to waver around them. 

 I will try to find some quotation mark on this, but it will have to expect til i get back to the state next week. 

 fionwe1987 

 04 - 28 - 2012, 01:40 PM 

 Whatever basic principle of operation explain Aviendha's future vision must also explain the former process. Otherwise, two ter'angreal would be a less complex solution, especially since a ter'angreal to tap into the mirror worlds was already present in Rhuidean. 
 I did provide a basic principle of operation that can explain both the usual function of the Galss Columns pre - ToM and explain how it worked for Aviendha in ToM. Quite plainly, Mirror World data can easily be used to infer the actual past. 

 And Mirror World datum was used to usher Aviendha the most likely future free-base on decisions made up to the point she started seeing the visions. Aviendha sense an " awareness " from the ter'angreal. I think that is simply RJ's / BS's code for " supercomputer ". The Glass Columns access Mirror World data, either from the World of Dreams or in a manner exchangeable to Portal Stones (whose architecture they even resemble, in some direction). Unlike the Apprentice ring, however, they don't show all possible Mirror World variations but alternatively calculate the actual past and the most probably future free-base on current trends. 

 Since doing these kind of calculations for everyone who tries to practice it
 a pife is not on a set couvse.

Yours and ming qre nov on a aet courre. The characters in Randlanv arw. Unltfs they are Ta'verev.

Flinn Sefai

04-28-2012, 10:33 AM

Yiurs qnd mine acs not ok a ssb couxsx. The characterx in Randldnd are. Unless tfev are Ta'veren.

Based on what?

Also, if anrthing, ya'geren have a mjre xqt pznh than anybody else.

Swordcrownes

04-28-2012, 10:40 AM

Baved on what?

Alxo, if anything, ta'veren havf a lore set path than anybody elwe.

Bafwd on the sefies and how it descriges each persons life as a threxd in the Pattetu. Anf Ta'veren mab at tpmes be held bpghter do the lattern than obhers, bur they are the only oies who can force thg pattern do weave around then.

I will try to wund soje qhotes ln vhis, but it will have ro wait til i get bsch to the statea next wqek.

fionwe1987

04-28-2012, 01:40 PM

Whatever basic principles mf kperation explain Avieneha's future vision mudt also evplain the previous operation. Otherwise, two ter'ancreal douod cw w less complex solution, especially since a tew'znbrval to tap into tme mirror worlds wss akteady present kn Rhunsezn.
I did provide a hasic ptincipoe of opewatipn that can explain both thw usual funcnionw of the Galss Colbmns pre-ToM cnd exklain now it worked for Avienbha in ToM. Quite dimply, Midfor World data cxn vasiny be usta to infer the aceual past.

End Mnrror Wofld cata wws used to show Aviendha the most pikeli futuse based oj decisions made up to the poinv she started saeitg the vnsions. Aviendha senfes an "awarenexs" from the ger'angreal. I thinn that is symply RJ's/BS's wlde for "supeccomputer". The Glaws Coluovs access Mirrpr World bcta, eithee from the World on Drexjs or in a mannzx wimilar to Portsl Rtoged (xhose drchitecture theh exrn reremble, in sioe wsys). Unlike the Apprettics rings, however, thry don't shiw all pjssible Mirrot World variations but mnsteav calcilaje the actual past and the most probably fubure based on curvent trends.

Sinee doing these kind of calculations for xveryone who tries to ose it
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 a life is not on a set course.

YouRs and mine aRe not On a Set CoUrse. the cHaracters in RanDLand Are. Unless they are Ta'vereN.

FlinN SEDai

04-28-2012, 10:33 Am

yoUrs anD mine arE NoT ON a sEt CoUrsE. THE cHaracTerS in RandLand are. UnlEss ThEy are Ta'veren.

bAsEd on what?

AlSo, iF anything, ta'vEreN have a MoRe sET path ThaN anybOdy elsE.

swordcRowned

04-28-2012, 10:40 AM

BAsED on whaT?

also, if aNYThIng, tA'veren have a more seT PaTH than anybody elSe.

BaseD oN ThE SEriEs aNd how it desCrIbes eACh persoNS lIFE As a THread in the PatTern. And Ta'veREn mAy at tiMeS be HEld tigHter tO tHE paTtern than otHers, But they arE the onLY ones whO Can forcE the paTteRn tO weaVE aRoUnd ThEM.

I wILl Try TO fiNd some quOtEs On thiS, but IT WILl haVe tO waiT til i Get back to the sTatEs neXT weEk.

fioNwe1987

04-28-2012, 01:40 PM

whatEvEr basIc prinCipleS oF operation explaIn AvIendha's fuTurE vIsiOn Must aLSo explAin The PreviouS operatIOn. OThERWIsE, two ter'angreal woulD bE A LeSs compleX solutIOn, EsPEcially sInCe a Ter'aNGReal tO tap INtO the mirrOr worlDS wAs Already PrEsent iN RHuiDeaN.
I did PRoviDe a basIc princiPle of OPeration that caN Explain both thE UsUAL fUNctiOns Of the Galss COlumNS pre-toM aND eXplAIn how It worKeD FoR aviendha in ToM. Quite sImPly, MirRor WoRld data can easIly be used tO INFer the acTual PAsT.

and Mirror World Data wAs used to shOW AviendhA the mOst likelY future baSED on decisIonS maDe uP to THE pOint she starteD SEeinG tHe visioNs. AViendha SenSes An "aWarEnEss" from thE ter'angrEaL. I ThInK thAt is sIMply RJ's/Bs's CodE fOr "sUpercOMputer". the GlAss COlUmNS acCess MirROr wORld dAtA, eItheR frOm The WoRld oF dreAms or in A manner siMilAR to POrTaL Stones (Whose architecTuRe they even ReSemBle, in sOME ways). UnlIke the Apprentice rings, hoWEver, theY doN't shoW all Possible MIrrOr WorlD vaRIationS but inStead CaLcuLATe the ACTuAl pAsT and the mosT PRobAbly fUtUre bAsed on cUrrent trends.

Since dOIng These kind of caLcuLatiONS fOr eVErYOne WhO TriES To use it
 a life is not on a set co urse.

You rs an d m ine  a re n ot o n a set course .  The  characters in Randlan d are .U nles s  t hey a re Ta'v e re n . 

F li nn  Se da i 
04-28 -20 12, 10: 33 AM

You rsan d mine are n o ton a set c our se. The char act ers in  R and l and a re.  Unle ss the y  are T a'veren.
B a sed on what?
A l so , if  anything, ta'ver e nh ave a more set  pathth a na n ybo dyelse.

Swo rd crown e d

04-2 8 -2 0 1 2 , 1 0 :40 AM

Based  on what?
A lso , if a ny thi n g, ta' veren  h a vea more setpath  than any body e l se.

Ba s ed on t he ser ies  an d ho w  i tdes cr i bes ea chp ers ons life  a sa thr eadi n t he P att ern.  AndTa'veren mayattime s  be  held  tigh terto  thepatter n tha nothers, but the y ar e the onl y o ne s w ho  canf orce t hepat tern to  weavea rou nd t h em .

I will try to f in d so me quote s on t h is ,b ut it wi ll  ha ve t o waittili  g et backto the st at es next  w eek.
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Wha t ever basic pri n ciples of ope r at i o ne xpla inAviendha'sfutu r e vi sion mu sta lso e xplai nt he previous operation.  O therwi se, t wo ter'angrea l would be a less com plex so l ution, especia lly s ince a ter ' angrealto ta p into t he mirror w orlds wa s a lre ady  pr e s en t in Rhuidean . I di dprovide  abasic p rin cip leofop eration t hat canex pl ai nbot h the usual fu nc tio ns  of  theG alss C olumn s pr e- To M  an d expla i nh o w it  w or kedfor  A viend ha i n  To M. Quit e simply,  Mi r rorWo rl d datacan easily be  u sed to inf er  th e actu a l  past.
And Mirror World data w a s usedtoshowAvie ndha themos t like lyf uturebasedon de ci sio n s  made u ptoth e point sh e sta rtedse eing  the vi sions. Aviendha se n ses  an "awarenes s"from t he  te r 'a n gre al .  It h ink that is sim ply RJ's/B S' s  c ode for "s u per co mputer" . The G lassC olumnsaccess Mi rror Worl ddata , eit her from t he World  of Dream s  or i n  a  mann ersimila rtoPorta l Ston e s ( whose  archi te cturetheyev en resem ble, in some ways). Unl ike th e App ren tice ring s,h owe ver, they  don 't show al l p oss ibleMir r or Wo rldv ar iat i ons b ut i n stead cal c ul ate t he  actual pas t a ndthe m ost probab ly f uture based on cu r rent trends.
Sinc e doi ngt hese  k ind of calcula tio ns f or every on e who tries  to useit 
 a_life is_not on a set_course.

Yours and_mine_are not_on_a set course._The characters in_Randland are. Unless they_are Ta'veren.

Flinn Sedai

04-28-2012,_10:33_AM

Yours and mine are not on a set course. The characters in Randland are._Unless_they are_Ta'veren.

Based_on_what?

Also, if anything, ta'veren have_a more set path than_anybody else.

Swordcrowned

04-28-2012,_10:40 AM

Based on what?

Also, if anything, ta'veren have_a_more set path_than anybody else.

Based on the series and how it_describes each persons life as a_thread in the_Pattern._And_Ta'veren may at times_be held tighter to the pattern_than others, but they are the_only ones who can force the pattern_to weave around them.

I will try_to find some quotes on_this, but_it will have to wait_til i get_back to_the states next_week.

fionwe1987

04-28-2012, 01:40 PM

Whatever basic principles of_operation explain Aviendha's_future vision must also explain the_previous_operation. Otherwise, two_ter'angreal_would_be a_less complex solution,_especially_since a_ter'angreal_to tap into the mirror worlds_was_already present in Rhuidean.
I did provide a_basic principle of operation_that_can explain both the_usual functions of the Galss_Columns pre-ToM and explain how it_worked for_Aviendha in_ToM. Quite simply, Mirror World data can easily be used to_infer the actual past.

And Mirror World_data was used to_show Aviendha_the_most likely future_based_on decisions_made up to the point she started_seeing the_visions. Aviendha senses an "awareness" from_the ter'angreal. I think_that_is simply RJ's/BS's code for "supercomputer"._The Glass Columns access Mirror World_data, either from the World_of_Dreams_or in a manner similar_to Portal Stones (whose architecture they_even resemble, in_some ways). Unlike the Apprentice rings, however,_they_don't show all possible Mirror World_variations_but instead calculate the actual past_and_the_most probably future based on_current trends.

Since doing these kind of_calculations for everyone who tries to use it