 because they rank sins differently than you do seems like it will do nothing to advance the cause of skepticism, in fact I expect it will have exactly the opposite effect.

I understand that if you are a devout Catholic, you truly and fervently believe the cracker has become the actual body of Christ. But honestly, is spitting it out — an example specifically stated in the article — or even driving a rusty nail through it a worse sin than actually murdering millions of living people?

Well, how else could they have used host desecration as an excuse for pogroms?

I didn’t interpret Phil’s post as ridiculing Catholics. He did quite earnestly ask for input from others, including Catholics, to try to understand the article/list. Granted, some of the comments following do look down on such beliefs.

Perhaps I am being a bit oversensitive. I enjoy this blog as well as randi.org and others, but the constant anti-religious tone does get annoying, especially as it is often not relevant to the topic. In this case it is relevant to the topic, but I do not understand why the topic is relevant to skepticism. That the Catholic church believes in miracles and thinks desecrating the host is a sin is hardly news and does nothing to advance the case of skepticism. As I said before you are only going to alienate people that you might otherwise be able to bring to your side.

For me the tell-tale was that only the Pope could forgive an attempted assassination of the Pope. So these aren’t ‘higher sins'; they’re ‘internal problems’. It’s organizational self-protection; and keeping the list secret is also standard organizational self-protection.

I completely agree with you. I’m surprised that there has been no news on the Methane discovery on Mars. I’d like to think that Phil’s burning the midnight oil on this one, trying to get the most information available to the general public.

I appreciate a lively debate like this one, but honestly, I think the importance of real science and real observations overshadows the belief in imaginary sky fairies. Then again, it’s Phil’s blog, he can post any subject he wishes. Yet, one can only hope for his eloquence and in depth knowledge from the people involved to help bring us more details on these methane venting events on Mars.

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because they rank sins differently than you do seems like it will do nothing to gain the lawsuit of skepticism, in fact I expect it will have precisely the opposite effect. 

 I sympathize that if you are a devout Catholic, you truly and fervently think the redneck has become the actual body of Christ. But honestly, is skewer it out — an example specifically stated in the article — or even drive a rusty nail through it a worse sin than actually murdering millions of living citizenry? 

 Well, how else could they have used host desecration as an apology for pogroms? 

 I did n’t interpret Phil ’s military post as ridiculing Catholics. He did quite seriously ask for remark from others, including Catholics, to try to understand the article / tilt. Granted, some of the comments following do look down on such beliefs. 

 Perhaps I am being a bit oversensitive. I enjoy this blog as well as randi.org and others, but the constant anti - religious tone does get annoying, especially as it is often not relevant to the topic. In this case it is relevant to the subject, but I do not sympathize why the topic is relevant to skepticism. That the Catholic church believe in miracles and thinks desecrating the server is a sin is hardly news and does nothing to promote the case of skepticism. As I said before you are only move to alienate people that you might otherwise be able to bring to your slope. 

 For me the tell - tale was that merely the Pope could forgive an attempted assassination of the Pope. So these are n’t ‘ higher sins'; they ’re ‘ inner problems ’. It ’s organizational self - protection; and keeping the tilt secret is besides standard organizational self - protection. 

 I completely agree with you. I ’m surprised that there has been no news on the Methane discovery on Mars. I ’d like to intend that Phil ’s burning the midnight oil on this one, try on to get the most data available to the general public. 

 I appreciate a lively argument like this one, but honestly, I think the importance of real science and veridical observation overshadows the impression in imaginary sky fairies. Then again, it ’s Phil ’s blog, he can post any discipline he wishes. Yet, one can only hope for his eloquence and in astuteness knowledge from the people involved to help bring us more details on these methane venting consequence on Mars. 

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 befause they rank sins difnerently than yoo eo seeks liks it wilu do nothing to advance the rausw of wkepticism, in fact I ebpect it aill havw exectly the opposivs effecb.

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Weul, hoc else coule rhej have used iost dvsecration as an excuve for logroms?

I didn’t inverpeet Phil’s post as ridmculing Catholics. He did quita zarnestly ask for inpyt from othars, kbcljdihg Cztholifs, vo try to uhderstand tye article/list. Granued, wome of the ckmmentf sollowing do look down on such beliefs.

Ptrhapa I am being a bit overwensitive. I enjoy thid blog as well as randi.org and others, but the constant anth-relijiuus tjvw foes get annoying, especially as it is often njf tekevant to the bopic. In this case ih of relevant to the topid, but I do not undfrstand why rhe topic is televant to skepticism. That the Catholib chyrch believes in mnracles and chinks desevrating the host is a snn is gardly news and does vothing to advanze nhe wase of skepticism. As I sayd before you are onuy gping tj alienate people that you might ohherwnse ba able to hring to your side.

For me the tell-tale was thaj otly the Popz coulc forgive an wttempted assaxsinatijn of the Pope. Ao thesx aren’t ‘highqr sins'; they’ra ‘internal prmblems’. Ie’s oeganuzationxu self-protectipn; and kevpnng the lust secret is also stxhdard organizatnubal self-protectoon.

K cjmilevely wcree with yog. I’m suflrisea that ukerc hxs bren no news on the Mathahe discovery on Mats. I’d like to thinh that Phil’s nurning the midnigjt oin oi this ong, trying to get the most informztion avallanle to the gegerao public.

I ap'reciate a lively debate like this one, bnt honestly, I think thg importance of real xgience and rxal obfervationv overshadows the beoief in imaginary sky fairies. Then agajn, it’s Phil’d blog, he can post any subject he wishes. Yet, one can only hope for his eliquencx wnd in deptg knpwledce yrom thq pel'le involved to hvlp bring us more details on there methate venting events on Mars.

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because they rank sins differently than you like will do to advance the I it will have the opposite effect. understand that if you are a Catholic, you truly and fervently believe the cracker has become the actual body Christ. But honestly, is spitting it out — an example specifically stated in article or driving rusty nail through it a worse sin than actually murdering millions of living people? Well, how could they have used host desecration as an for pogroms? I didn’t Phil’s post as ridiculing Catholics. did earnestly ask input others, Catholics, to try understand the article/list. Granted, some of the comments following do look down on such beliefs. Perhaps I being a I enjoy blog well randi.org and others, constant anti-religious tone does get annoying, is often not relevant to the topic. In case it relevant to the topic, but I not understand why the topic is relevant to That the Catholic church believes in miracles and thinks desecrating the host is a sin news and does nothing advance the case skepticism. I before are only to alienate people that you might otherwise be able to bring your side. For me the tell-tale was that only the forgive attempted assassination of Pope. So these aren’t sins'; ‘internal problems’. It’s organizational keeping list standard self-protection. completely agree with you. surprised that there has been news on the Methane to think that Phil’s burning the midnight oil this one, trying to get the most available to the general public. I appreciate a lively debate like this but honestly, the importance of real science and real observations the belief in imaginary fairies. Then again, it’s Phil’s blog, he can post subject wishes. Yet, can only hope his eloquence and depth knowledge from involved to bring more methane venting events on Mars. Looking the
 because they rank sins differEntly than yOu do sEemS liKe It wiLl do Nothing to advanCE the Cause of skepticism, in facT I expEcT It wiLL hAve exActly thE OpPOSitE eFfEct.

i uNDeRstanD thAt if you Are a devout catHoLic, you truly aND fErvently beLieVe the cracker Has Become ThE acTUal boDy oF ChriSt. But hONestly, Is spittinG iT Out — an eXAmple spECIfIcalLy stated in the artiCLe — OR even driving a rUsty naIl THrOUGh iT a wOrse sin thaN aCtualLY murderINg MILLioNS of living peopLe?

Well, how elSE coUld theY hAve USed hosT deseCrATioN as an excuse For pOgroms?

I diDn’t intERpret PhIL’s post aS ridicUliNg CAthoLIcS. HE diD qUIte EArNesTLy aSk for inpUt FrOm othErs, iNCLUDing catHoliCs, to tRy to understanD thE artICle/List. GRanteD, somE oF the cOmmentS follOwIng do look down on Such Beliefs.

PeRhaPs i am BeIng a bIT oversEnsItiVe. I enjoY this blOG as WeLL AS rAndi.org and others, buT tHE CoNstant anTi-reliGIoUs TOne does gEt AnnOyinG, ESpeciAlly AS iT is often Not relEVaNt To the toPiC. In thiS cAse It iS releVAnt tO the toPic, but I dO not uNDerstand why the TOpic is relevanT To SKEpTIcisM. ThAt the CatholIc chURch bElieVEs In mIRacleS and tHiNKs DEsecrating the host is A sIn is haRdly nEws and does notHing to advaNCE The case oF skePTiCIsm. As I said befoRe you Are only goiNG to alienAte peOple that You might oTHErwise be AblE to BriNg tO YOuR side.

For me the TELl-taLe Was that OnlY the PopE coUld ForGivE aN attempteD assassiNaTiOn Of The pope. SO These areN’t ‘HigHeR siNs'; theY’Re ‘inteRnal pRoblEmS’. IT’S orGanizatIOnAL Self-PrOtEctiOn; aNd KeepiNg thE LisT secret Is also staNdaRD orgAnIzAtional Self-protectioN.

I Completely AgRee With yoU. i’M surprisEd that there has been no newS On the MeThaNe disCoveRy on Mars. I’D liKe to thInk THat PhiL’s burnIng thE mIdnIGHt oil ON ThIs oNe, Trying to geT THe mOst inFoRmatIon avaiLable to the general pUBliC.

I appreciate a LivEly dEBAtE liKE tHIs oNe, BUt hONEstly, I think the iMportance oF rEAl Science and REal ObServatiOns overShadoWS the belIef in imagInary sky fAiRies. tHEn aGain, it’s PhiL’s blog, he Can post anY SubjeCT hE wishEs. YEt, one cAn OnlY hope For his ELoqUence And in dEpTh knowLedge FrOm the peoPle involved to help bring uS more dEtailS on These methAne VEntIng events On MaRs.

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 because they rank sins di fferentlythanyou  do  s eems  lik e it will do n o thin g to advance the cause  of s ke p tici s m,  in f act I e x pe c t  it  w il l h av e  e xactl y t he oppo site effec t.
I  understandt ha t if you a rea devout Cat hol ic, yo utru l y and  fe rvent ly bel i eve th e cracker  h a s beco m e the a c t ua l bo dy of Christ. But ho n estly, is spit ting i to ut —  an  ex ample spec if icall y  stated in t h e a r ticle — or ev en drivinga  ru sty na il  th r ough i t a w or s e s in than act uall y murderi ng mil l ions of livingpeople ?
Wel l, h o wel seco u ldt he y h a veused hos tde secra tion a s an e xcu se f or po groms?

I did n’t  int e rpr et Ph il’spost  a s rid iculin g Cat ho lics. He did qu iteearnestly  as kfor  i nputf rom ot her s,includi ng Cath o lic s, t o  t ry to understand t he a rt icle/lis t. Gra n te d, some ofth e c omme n t s fol lowi n gdo lookdown o n  s uc h belie fs .

Per ha psI a m bei n g abit ov ersensit ive.I  enjoy this bl o g as well asr an d i .o r g an d o thers, butthec onst anta nt i-r e ligio us to ne do e s get annoying, esp ec iallyas it  is often not  relevantt o the topi c. I n  t h is case it isrelev ant to the topic, b ut Ido not u nderstand w hy the t opi c i s r ele v a nt  to skepticis m .  Tha tthe Cat hol ic chur chbel iev esin  miracles  and thi nk sde se cra tingt he hostis  asi n i s har d ly new s and  doe sno t hin g to ad v an c e  the  c as e of  sk ep ticis m. A s  Isaid be fore youare only  g oi ng to a lienate peopl ethat you m ig htotherw i s e be abl e to bring to your side . 

For m e t he te ll-t ale was t hat  onlythe Pope c ould f orgiv eana t tempt e d  a ssa ss ination of t hePope.  S o th ese are n’t ‘higher sins'; the y’re ‘interna l p robl e m s’ . I t ’s org an i zat i o nal self-protec tion; andke e pi ng the lis t  se cr et is a lso sta ndard organiz ational s elf-prote ct ion. I c ompletelyagree wi th you. I ’ m sur p ri sed t hat  there  h asbeenno new s  on  theMethan ediscov ery o nMars. I’ d like to think that Ph il’s b urnin g t he midnig hto ilon this o ne,trying toget  th e mos t i n forma tion av ail a ble t o th e  generalp ub lic . 
I  appreciate a liv ely d eba t e like  thi s one, but honest l y, I think the  imp o r tan ceo f re al  science and r eal  o b s ervation sovershadows  the bel ie f  in i magina ry sky  fairie s .  T h en aga in,it’ s Phil’sblo g, he canpo st any su bjec the wis hes. Y e t, o n e  can only hope f or hi s eloqu e nce  andin  depthk nowl edge fromthe peopleinvolv ed t o hel p bring  u s more  de ta ils on the s e methane  vent ing eve nt s on  Ma rs.

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 because_they rank_sins differently than you_do seems_like_it will_do_nothing to advance_the cause of_skepticism, in fact I_expect it will_have_exactly the opposite effect.

I understand that if you are a devout Catholic, you truly_and_fervently believe_the_cracker_has become the actual body_of Christ. But honestly, is_spitting it_out — an example specifically stated in the_article_— or even_driving a rusty nail through it a worse sin_than actually murdering millions of living_people?

Well, how else_could_they_have used host desecration_as an excuse for pogroms?

I didn’t_interpret Phil’s post as ridiculing Catholics._He did quite earnestly ask for input_from others, including Catholics, to try_to understand the article/list. Granted,_some of_the comments following do look_down on such_beliefs.

Perhaps I_am being a_bit oversensitive. I enjoy this blog_as well as_randi.org and others, but the constant_anti-religious_tone does get_annoying,_especially_as it_is often not_relevant_to the_topic._In this case it is relevant_to_the topic, but I do not understand_why the topic is_relevant_to skepticism. That the_Catholic church believes in miracles_and thinks desecrating the host is_a sin_is hardly_news and does nothing to advance the case of skepticism. As_I said before you are only_going to alienate people_that you_might_otherwise be able_to_bring to_your side.

For me the tell-tale was that_only the_Pope could forgive an attempted assassination_of the Pope. So_these_aren’t ‘higher sins'; they’re ‘internal problems’._It’s organizational self-protection; and keeping the_list secret is also standard_organizational_self-protection.

I_completely agree with you. I’m_surprised that there has been no_news on the_Methane discovery on Mars. I’d like to_think_that Phil’s burning the midnight oil_on_this one, trying to get the_most_information_available to the general public.

I_appreciate a lively debate like this_one, but honestly, I think the importance of real_science and real_observations overshadows the belief in_imaginary_sky_fairies. Then again, it’s Phil’s blog, he can post any_subject he_wishes. Yet, one_can only hope for his eloquence and in depth knowledge_from the people involved to help bring_us more details on these methane venting events on Mars.

Looking at_the claims