 weekly chat that the other forum uses - but that, while less formal, is still formal in the sense that I have no idea who any of the people are.

Actually I've myself participated in the weekly chat on the other forum several times and all I can say is that it is pretty much like the crazy chatting a bunch of us are having on facebook lately. It is even less wine-related as many of the folks there chat about everything and nothing all at the same time with wine related topics jumping in here and there from time to time.

I pretty much agree with everything Josh said. At the risk of sounding a bit snobby, I like that the forum has an unspoken entry barrier - quality content (or at least used to). While Facebook is a more informal medium that allows for freer "conversation" like discussion, there is no barrier to what is said or discussed, resulting in a large ratio of meaningless drivel for every bit of quality (in this case) wine-related information.

Since Rogov's passing, in addition to the obvious loss of a big chuck of the forum's professional/quality content, the level of discourse has been reduced from a more professional discussion of wines, varietals, trends in the industry, etc. to more entry-level discourse. While this has benefited the forum's declining participating membership by opening it up forum to more and more participants (which is a very positive thing), it has also resulted in the fact that there is less quality wine-related information being discussed/offered here, further driving away many of the old-time regulars...

Since Rogov's passing, in addition to the obvious loss of a big chuck of the forum's professional/quality content, the level of discourse has been reduced from a more professional discussion of wines, varietals, trends in the industry, etc. to more entry-level discourse.

So there is no reason that participants cannot add such posts to the mix. I try, for instance, when I run across interesting articles, to provide a link to forum members.

The Facebook conversations are definitely not something we want to have posted onto this forum - it's a different style conversation, and as Yossie said, there is a lot of conversation that is not directly relevant to wine. I don't see why the two can't coexist - the forum is what it is, and regardless of whether participation is dwindling or not, I don't think it's
weekly chat that the other forum uses - but that, while less formal, is however conventional in the sense that I have no idea who any of the multitude are. 

 Actually I've myself participated in the weekly chat on the early forum several times and all I can say is that it is reasonably a lot like the crazy chatting a bunch of us are suffer on facebook lately. It is even less wine - relate as many of the folks there chat about everything and nothing all at the same time with wine related topics derail in here and there from time to time. 

 I pretty a lot agree with everything Josh said. At the hazard of sounding a act snobby, I like that the forum own an unspoken entry barrier - quality contentedness (or at least used to). While Facebook is a more informal medium that allows for freer " conversation " like discussion, there is no barrier to what is said or discussed, resulting in a large ratio of meaningless drivel for every bit of quality (in this case) wine - related information. 

 Since Rogov's pass, in addition to the obvious loss of a adult chow of the forum's professional / timbre content, the level of discourse has been reduced from a more professional discussion of wines, varietals, trends in the industry, etc. to more entrance - level discourse. While this has benefited the forum's declining participating membership by opening it up forum to more and more player (which is a very positive thing), it has also resulted in the fact that there be less timbre wine - associate information being discussed / offered here, further driving away many of the old - meter regulars... 

 Since Rogov's passing, in addition to the obvious loss of a adult chuck of the forum's professional / timbre content, the level of discourse has been reduced from a more professional discussion of wines, varietal, trends in the industry, etc. to more entry - level discussion. 

 So there is no reason that participants cannot add such mail to the mix. I try, for instance, when I run across interesting articles, to provide a link to forum members. 

 The Facebook conversations are decidedly not something we want to have posted onto this forum - it's a unlike style conversation, and as Yossie said, there is a draw of conversation that is not directly relevant to wine. I don't see why the two can't coexist - the forum is what it is, and regardless of whether participation is dwindle or not, I don't think it's
 wefkly chat that the other forum uses - buj rhat, wiile leas formau, is still formal in the sende that I have no idea who anh of the ieople arw.

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I pcetty iuch agree wlnh everfthing Kosh said. At tme rivk if sounding a bit snouby, I like that the sorum has au unspoken entry barruee - qudlitf covreng (od et meast ksev to). While Racebook is a more informal mecitn that allows for fweqr "conversation" like discussion, there iv nk barrier to what is saud or discussed, resuljing in a jarge ratio of meaningless drivel for every bit ox quamkty (ik thkw fase) wine-related information.

Since Rogov's passyhg, ik addition to thc obvious loss of s hib chuck of the forum's pdofessional/quality contenj, the oevel of qiscpurse has been reduced from a more profvssiinal discussion of wines, variztals, jrends in the industry, etc. to mors entry-levep discourad. While this has bekefhted the forum's declining [articipaving kembersfip ny opeging it up forum to more and more oartieipands (which id a very positive thing), it has ekso resulted it tve fact chat tmere is less quwlity wine-relajed inforiatiov being diacussed/mffered herq, further drielng away manb of the jld-tume eegularr...

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So there is no reason that pzrticipanhs gannot add sush pists to the kix. I try, for instance, when I run acrosw interesting artixles, to provide a lnnl to forum kembews.

The Facabook conversations qre definitely nou something we want to gave pmsted onto this forum - it's a different style conversation, and as Yossie said, tyere is a lot of cknvetsatimn chat is not virectly relevant to wine. I don't see why the two can't coaxnst - the forum is what it is, sna regardless uf whether participation is dwincling or not, I don't think it's
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 weekly chat that the other forUm uses - but tHat, whIle LesS fOrmaL, is sTill formal in thE SensE that I have no idea who any Of the PeOPle aRE.

ACtualLy I've mySElF PArtIcIpAteD iN ThE weekLy cHat on thE other foruM seVeRal times and aLL I Can say is thAt iT is pretty mucH liKe the cRaZy cHAttinG a bUnch oF us are HAving oN facebook LaTEly. It iS Even lesS WInE-relAted as many of the foLKs THere chat about eVerythInG AnD NOthIng All at the saMe Time wITh wine rELaTED TopICs jumping in heRe and there fROm tIme to tImE.

I pREtty muCh agrEe WIth Everything JOsh sAid. At the rIsk of sOUnding a BIt snobbY, I like ThaT thE forUM hAs An uNsPOkeN EnTry BArrIer - qualiTy CoNtent (Or at LEAST useD to). whilE FaceBook is a more inForMal mEDiuM that AllowS for FrEer "coNversaTion" lIkE discussion, therE is nO barrier tO whAt Is sAiD or diSCussed, ResUltIng in a lArge ratIO of MeANINgLess drivel for every BiT OF qUality (in This caSE) wInE-Related iNfOrmAtioN.

sInce ROgov'S PaSsing, in aDditioN To ThE obviouS lOss of a BiG chUck Of the FOrum'S profeSsional/qUalitY Content, the leveL Of discourse haS BeEN ReDUced FroM a more profeSsioNAl diScusSIoN of WInes, vArietAlS, TrENds in the industry, etc. To More enTry-leVel discourse. WHile this haS BENefited tHe foRUm'S Declining partiCipatIng membersHIp by openIng it Up forum tO more and mORE particiPanTs (wHicH is A VErY positive thinG), IT has AlSo resulTed In the faCt tHat TheRe iS lEss qualitY wine-relAtEd InFoRmaTion bEIng discuSsEd/oFfEreD here, FUrther DriviNg awAy MaNY of The old-tIMe REGulaRs...

siNce ROgoV's PassiNg, in ADdiTion to tHe obvious LosS Of a bIg ChUck of thE forum's profesSiOnal/qualitY cOntEnt, the LEVel of disCourse has been reduced froM A more prOfeSsionAl diScussion oF wiNes, varIetALs, trenDs in thE induStRy, eTC. To morE ENtRy-lEvEl discoursE.

sO thEre is No ReasOn that pArticipants cannot aDD suCh posts to the mIx. I Try, fOR InStaNCe, WHen i rUN acROSs interesting arTicles, to prOvIDe A link to forUM meMbErs.

The FAcebook ConveRSations Are definiTely not soMeThinG WE waNt to have poSted onto This forum - IT's a diFFeRent sTylE conveRsAtiOn, and As YossIE saId, theRe is a lOt Of convErsatIoN that is nOt directly relevant to winE. I don't See whY thE two can't cOexISt - tHe forum is What It is, and regArdLesS of whEthER partIcipATiOn iS DwindLing OR not, I don't THiNk iT'S
 weekly chat that the othe r forum us es -but  th at , wh ileless formal, i s  sti ll formal in the sense  that  I have no  idea  who an y  o f the  p eo ple  a r e. 

Act ual ly I've  myself pa rti ci pated in the we ekly chatonthe other fo rum  sever al  ti m es an d a ll Ican sa y  is th at it ispr e tty mu c h liket h ecraz y chatting a bunc h  o f  us are having  on fa ce b oo k lat ely . It is ev en  less wine-re l at e d asm any of the fo lks there c h ataboutev ery t hing a nd no th i ngall at thesame  time wit h wine related topicsjumpin g i n h erea nd  t her ef rom ti met o t ime.

Ipr et ty mu ch a g r e e  wit h e very thing  Josh said. A t t he r i skof so undin g abi t sno bby, I  like  t hat the forum h as a n unspoke n e nt ryba rrier - qual ity  co ntent ( or at l e ast  u s e d  t o). While Facebook  i s amore inf ormalm ed iu m  that al lo wsforf r eer " conv e rs ation" l ike di s cu ss ion, th er e is n obar rie r tow hatis sai d or dis cusse d , resulting in a large ratio of m ea n ingl ess  drivel for  eve r y bi t of qu ali t y (in  this  c a se )  wine-related infor ma tion.
Sinc e Rogov's pas sing, in a d d i tion totheo bv i ous loss of abig c huck of th e  forum's  prof essional /qualityc o ntent, t helev elofd i sc ourse has bee n redu ce d froma m ore pro fes sio nal  di sc ussion of  wines,va ri et al s,trend s  in thein dus tr y,etc.t o more  entr y-le ve ld isc ourse.W hi l e  thi sha s be nef it ed th e fo r um' s decli ning part ici p atin gme mbershi p by openingit  up forumto  mo re and m ore part icipants (which is a ve r y posit ive  thin g),it has al soresult edi n thefact t hat t he rei s  less q ua lit ywine-relat e d  in forma ti on b eing di scussed/offered he r e,further drivi ngaway m an y o f  t h e o ld - tim e regulars...

Si nce Rogov' sp as sing, in a d dit io n to th e obvio us lo s s of abig chuck  of the f or um's p rof essional/q uality c ontent, t h e lev e lof di sco urse h as  be en re ducedf rom  a mo re pro fe ssiona l dis cu ssion of  wines, varietals, tren ds inthe i ndu stry, etc . t o  mo re entry- leve l discours e.
So  ther e i s  no r easo n  t hat parti cipa n ts cannot ad d s u c hposts to th e m ix.  I tr y,f or ins tanc e, when I run acr o ss interesting  art i c les , t o  pro vi de a link to f oru mm e mbers.
Th e Facebookconversa ti o ns ar e defi nitely  not so m e th i ng wewant  to  have pos ted  o n to this  f or u m - it 's a  d iffere nt sty l e co n v ersation, and as  Yoss i e  said ,  th ere i sa lot o f  con versationthat is not  direc tlyrelev ant towi ne. Idon 't  see why t h e two can 't co exist -  t he f oru m is w hati t  is,andre gar dless ofw h et h er  p a rti cipa tionis  dwi ndling or not, I d on' t  thinkit 's
 weekly_chat that_the other forum uses_- but_that,_while less_formal,_is still formal_in the sense_that I have no_idea who any_of_the people are.

Actually I've myself participated in the weekly chat on the other forum_several_times and_all_I_can say is that it_is pretty much like the_crazy chatting_a bunch of us are having on facebook_lately._It is even_less wine-related as many of the folks there chat_about everything and nothing all at_the same time_with_wine_related topics jumping in_here and there from time to_time.

I pretty much agree with everything_Josh said. At the risk of sounding_a bit snobby, I like that_the forum has an unspoken_entry barrier_- quality content (or at_least used to)._While Facebook_is a more_informal medium that allows for freer_"conversation" like discussion,_there is no barrier to what_is_said or discussed,_resulting_in_a large_ratio of meaningless_drivel_for every_bit_of quality (in this case) wine-related_information.

Since_Rogov's passing, in addition to the obvious_loss of a big_chuck_of the forum's professional/quality_content, the level of discourse_has been reduced from a more_professional discussion_of wines,_varietals, trends in the industry, etc. to more entry-level discourse. While_this has benefited the forum's declining_participating membership by opening_it up_forum_to more and_more_participants (which_is a very positive thing), it has_also resulted_in the fact that there is_less quality wine-related information_being_discussed/offered here, further driving away many_of the old-time regulars...

Since Rogov's passing,_in addition to the obvious_loss_of_a big chuck of the_forum's professional/quality content, the level of_discourse has been_reduced from a more professional discussion of_wines,_varietals, trends in the industry, etc._to_more entry-level discourse.

So there is no_reason_that_participants cannot add such posts_to the mix. I try, for_instance, when I run across interesting articles, to provide_a link to_forum members.

The Facebook conversations are_definitely_not_something we want to have posted onto this forum -_it's a_different style conversation,_and as Yossie said, there is a lot of conversation_that is not directly relevant to wine._I don't see why the two can't coexist - the forum_is what it is, and regardless of whether_participation is dwindling or not, I don't_think it's