. But CO2 is just one of many forcings.

Judith you raise the idea of [sudden] climate shifts. I haven’t seen any suggestion that one occured in the early 2000’s, of course Trenberth’s missing heat could be the first observation. Is there any other metrics suggesting such a shift?

I agree it would be a suitable explanation for Trenberth’s ‘missing heat’ but is it anything but highly speculative?

Yes Virginia there is an explanation for why hot ocean water rises and it’s not a ‘travesty.’ We have, in fact, two converging explanations that help us understand this natural phenomena that plays a part in global warming and cooling.

First is the the concepts of a `torque’ and the second is the dynamic power of `swirling vortices,’ that is scientists are trying to model mathematically.

Both of these phenomena relate to the roles of the atmosphere, the oceans, the Earth’s `molten outer core’ and formation of Earth’s magnetic field on climate change.

Adriano Mazzarella (2008) has criticized the GCM modelers reductionist approach because he realized that the reductionist approach fails to account for many of the factors that should be a pare of a more more robust holistic approach to global warming and cooling.

And of these factors many other factors — which itself is just a part but an important part of a larger process that might be described as a single unit comprised of the ‘Earth’s rotation/sea temperature’ — are changes in `atmospheric circulation which, like a torque,’ can themselves cause `the Earth’s rotation to decelerate which, [which] in turn, causes a decrease in sea temperature.’

Looking at the the second explanation, it was recently reported that UCSB researchers (results to be published in the journal Physical Review Letters) ‘filled the laboratory cylinders with water, and heated the water from below and cooled it from above,’ to better understand the dynamics of atmospheric circulation and the ‘swirling natural phenomena’ observed in nature.

As applied to Earth science, these researchers hope that it won’t be long before it can be conclusively shown that Trenberth is never going to find the global warming that he is looking for in the deep recesses of the ocean.

The reason is simple it won’t be found is simple: it
. But CO2 is just one of many forcings. 

 Judith you raise the idea of [ sudden ] climate shifts. I have n’t see any trace that one occured in the early 2000 ’s, of course Trenberth ’s missing estrus could be the first observation. Is there any early metrics suggesting such a shift? 

 I match it would be a suitable explanation for Trenberth ’s ‘ missing heating system ’ but is it anything but highly speculative? 

 Yes Virginia there is an explanation for why blistering ocean water rises and it ’s not a ‘ farce. ’ We have, in fact, two converging explanation that help us understand this natural phenomenon that plays a part in global warming and cooling system. 

 First is the the concept of a 'torque ’ and the second is the dynamic power of 'swirling whirlpool, ’ that is scientists are trying to model mathematically. 

 Both of these phenomena relate to the roles of the standard atmosphere, the oceans, the Earth ’s 'molten outer core ’ and formation of Earth ’s magnetic field on climate change. 

 Adriano Mazzarella (2008) has criticized the GCM modelers reductionist approach because he recognize that the reductionist approach fails to report for many of the divisor that should be a pare of a more more full-bodied holistic approach to global warming and cooling. 

 And of these factors many other factors — which itself is just a contribution but an important part of a larger process that might be report as a single unit comprised of the ‘ Earth ’s rotation / ocean temperature ’ — are changes in 'atmospheric circulation which, like a torsion, ’ can themselves cause 'the Earth ’s rotation to decelerate which, [ which ] in turn, causes a decrease in sea temperature. ’ 

 Looking at the the second explanation, it was recently reported that UCSB research worker (results to be published in the journal Physical Review Letters) ‘ filled the laboratory cylinders with water, and heated the water from under and cooled it from above, ’ to well understand the moral force of atmospheric circulation and the ‘ swirling natural phenomena ’ observed in nature. 

 As apply to Earth science, these research worker hope that it wo n’t be long before it can be conclusively shown that Trenberth is never going to find the global warming that he is expect for in the deep recesses of the ocean. 

 The reason is simple it wo n’t be found is simple: it
. Buh CO2 is just one of many forcings.

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Both of these phenomena relaue to the roles of the atmosphere, the oceans, the Garth’s `moleen outer core’ and formation of Earth’s magnetic fheld kv coiixre change.

Adriano Mazzarella (2008) has criticized the FCK kodelers reducbionist approach brcwuxg he realized jhat thz rsductionist approafh failf to qccount fjr msny of the factors that shoyld be a parv of a more more robusc holistic a'proacn to blobal warming and coolnng.

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. But CO2 is just one of Judith raise the of [sudden] climate suggestion one occured in early 2000’s, of Trenberth’s missing heat could be the observation. Is there any other metrics suggesting such a shift? I agree it be a suitable explanation for Trenberth’s ‘missing heat’ but is it anything but speculative? Virginia is explanation for why hot ocean water rises and it’s not a ‘travesty.’ We have, in fact, converging explanations that help us understand this natural that plays a part global warming and cooling. First the concepts of `torque’ the is the dynamic of `swirling vortices,’ that is scientists are trying to model mathematically. Both of these phenomena relate to roles of the oceans, Earth’s outer and formation of field on climate change. Adriano Mazzarella the GCM modelers reductionist approach because he realized the reductionist fails to account for many of factors that should be a pare of a more robust holistic approach to global warming and cooling. And of these factors many other which itself is just part but an part a process might be as a single unit comprised of the ‘Earth’s rotation/sea temperature’ — changes in `atmospheric circulation which, like a torque,’ can themselves Earth’s to decelerate which, in turn, causes a in temperature.’ Looking at the explanation, was UCSB (results be published in the Physical Review Letters) ‘filled the cylinders with water, and and cooled it from above,’ to better understand dynamics of atmospheric circulation and the ‘swirling phenomena’ observed in nature. As applied to Earth science, these researchers hope it won’t before it can be conclusively shown that Trenberth never going to find global warming that he is looking for in the recesses the ocean. reason is simple won’t be found simple: it
. But CO2 is just one of many forciNgs.

Judith yOu raiSe tHe iDeA of [sUddeN] climate shifts. i HaveN’t seen any suggestion thaT one oCcURed iN ThE earlY 2000’s, of couRSe tREnbErTh’S miSsINg Heat cOulD be the fIrst observAtiOn. is there any otHEr Metrics sugGesTing such a shiFt?

I Agree iT wOulD Be a suItaBle exPlanatIOn for TRenberth’s ‘MiSSing heAT’ but is iT ANyThinG but highly speculaTIvE?

yes Virginia theRe is an ExPLaNATioN foR why hot oceAn Water RIses and IT’s NOT A ‘trAVesty.’ We have, in Fact, two convERgiNg explAnAtiONs that Help uS uNDerStand this naTuraL phenomenA that pLAys a parT In globaL warmiNg aNd cOoliNG.

FIrSt iS tHE thE CoNcePTs oF a `torque’ AnD tHe secOnd iS THE DynaMic PoweR of `swIrling vorticeS,’ thAt is SCieNtistS are tRyinG tO modeL matheMaticAlLy.

Both of these phEnomEna relate To tHe RolEs Of the ATmosphEre, The Oceans, tHe Earth’S `MolTeN OUTeR core’ and formation oF EARTh’S magnetiC field ON cLiMAte changE.

ADriAno MAZZarelLa (2008) haS CrIticized The GCM MOdElErs reduCtIonist ApProAch BecauSE he rEalizeD that the ReducTIonist approach FAils to account FOr MANy OF the FacTors that shoUld bE A parE of a MOrE moRE robuSt holIsTIc APproach to global warmInG and coOling.

and of these facTors many otHER Factors — wHich ITsELf is just a part bUt an iMportant paRT of a largEr proCess that Might be deSCRibed as a SinGle UniT coMPRiSed of the ‘Earth’S ROtatIoN/sea temPerAture’ — arE chAngEs iN `atMoSpheric ciRculatioN wHiCh, LiKe a TorquE,’ Can themsElVes CaUse `The EaRTh’s rotAtion To deCeLeRAte Which, [whICh] IN Turn, CaUsEs a dEcrEaSe in sEa teMPerAture.’

LoOking at thE thE SecoNd ExPlanatiOn, it was recentLy Reported thAt uCSb reseaRCHers (resuLts to be published in the joURnal PhySicAl RevIew LEtters) ‘filLed The labOraTOry cylInders With wAtEr, aND HeateD THe WatEr From below aND CooLed it FrOm abOve,’ to beTter understand the dYNamIcs of atmospheRic CircULAtIon ANd THe ‘sWiRLinG NAtural phenomena’ Observed in NaTUrE.

As applied TO EaRtH sciencE, these rEsearCHers hopE that it woN’t be long bEfOre iT CAn bE conclusivEly shown That TrenbERth is NEvEr goiNg tO find tHe GloBal waRming tHAt hE is loOking fOr In the dEep reCeSses of thE ocean.

The reason is simple It won’t Be fouNd iS simple: it
. But CO2 is just one of m any forcin gs.
Jud ith  y ou r aise  the idea of [ s udde n] climate shifts. I h aven’ ts eena ny  sugg estiont ha t one  o cc ure di nthe e arl y 2000’ s, of cour seTr enberth’s mi s si ng heat co uld  be the firs t o bserva ti on. Is th ere  anyotherm etrics  suggesti ng such a shift?I  a gree  it would be a su i ta b le explanation  for T re n be r t h’s  ‘m issing hea t’  buti s it an y th i n g  bu t  highly specu lative?

Ye s  Vi rginia  t her e  is an  expl an a tio n for why h ot o cean wate r rise s  and it ’ s not a  ‘trav est y.’  Weh av e,  in  f a ct, tw o c o nve rging ex pl an ation s th a t h elpusunde rstan d this natura l p heno m ena  that  play s apa rt in  globa l war mi ng and cooling. 

Fi rst is th e t he  co nc eptso f a `t orq ue’  and th e secon d  is  t h e dy namic power of `sw ir l i ng  vortice s,’ th a tis scientis ts  ar e tr y i ng to  mod e lmathemat ically . 
Bo th of t he se phe no men a r elate to t he rol es of th e atm o sphere, the oc e ans, the Eart h ’s ` mo l tenout er core’ an d fo r mati on o f  E art h ’s ma gneti cf ie l d on climate change .
Adria no Ma zzarella (200 8) has cri t i c ized the  GCM mo d elers reductio nistapproach b e cause he  real ized tha t the red u c tionistapp roa chfai l s  t o account for m anyof  the fa cto rs that  sh oul d b e a  p are of amore mor ero bu st  ho listi c  approac htogl oba l war m ing an d coo ling .
A n d o f these fa c t orsma ny  oth erfa ctors  — w h ich  itself  is justa p a rt b ut  a n impor tant part ofalarger pro ce ssthat m i g ht be de scribed as a single uni t  compri sed  of t he ‘ Earth’s r ota tion/s eat empera ture’— are  c han g e s in` a tm osp he ric circul a t ion  whic h,  lik e a tor que,’ can themselv e s c ause `the Ear th’ s ro t a ti ont od ece le r ate w hich, [which] i n turn, ca us e sa decrease inse a tempe rature. ’

Lo o king at  the thesecond ex pl anat i o n,it was rec ently re ported th a t UCS B  r esear che rs (re su lts  to b e publ i she d inthe jo ur nal Ph ysica lReview L etters) ‘filled the lab orator y cyl ind ers withwat e r,and heate d th e water fr ombel ow an d c o oledit f r om  ab o ve,’to b e tter unde r st and t he  dynamics o f a tmo spher icc ircula tion  and the ‘swirlin g  natural pheno mena ’ obs erv e d in  n ature.

As app lie dt o  Earth s ci ence, these  researc he r s hop e that  it wo n’t bel o ng before  itcan  be concl usi ve l y shown  t ha t  Trenb erth  i s neve r goin g  tof i nd the global wa rming t hat h e  is  look in g for i n  the  deep rece sses of the  ocean .

T he re ason is  s impleitwo n’t be fou n d is simp le: i t
. But_CO2 is_just one of many_forcings.

Judith you_raise_the idea_of_[sudden] climate shifts._I haven’t seen_any suggestion that one_occured in the_early_2000’s, of course Trenberth’s missing heat could be the first observation. Is there any_other_metrics suggesting_such_a_shift?

I agree it would be_a suitable explanation for Trenberth’s_‘missing heat’_but is it anything but highly speculative?

Yes Virginia_there_is an explanation_for why hot ocean water rises and it’s not_a ‘travesty.’ We have, in fact,_two converging explanations_that_help_us understand this natural_phenomena that plays a part in_global warming and cooling.

First is the_the concepts of a `torque’ and the_second is the dynamic power of_`swirling vortices,’ that is scientists_are trying_to model mathematically.

Both of these_phenomena relate to_the roles_of the atmosphere,_the oceans, the Earth’s `molten outer_core’ and formation_of Earth’s magnetic field on climate_change.

Adriano_Mazzarella (2008) has_criticized_the_GCM modelers_reductionist approach because_he_realized that_the_reductionist approach fails to account for_many_of the factors that should be a_pare of a more_more_robust holistic approach to_global warming and cooling.

And of_these factors many other factors —_which itself_is just_a part but an important part of a larger process that_might be described as a single_unit comprised of the_‘Earth’s rotation/sea_temperature’_— are changes_in_`atmospheric circulation_which, like a torque,’ can themselves cause_`the Earth’s_rotation to decelerate which, [which] in_turn, causes a decrease_in_sea temperature.’

Looking at the the second_explanation, it was recently reported that_UCSB researchers (results to be_published_in_the journal Physical Review Letters)_‘filled the laboratory cylinders with water,_and heated the_water from below and cooled it from_above,’_to better understand the dynamics of_atmospheric_circulation and the ‘swirling natural phenomena’_observed_in_nature.

As applied to Earth science,_these researchers hope that it won’t_be long before it can be conclusively shown that_Trenberth is never_going to find the global_warming_that_he is looking for in the deep recesses of the_ocean.

The reason_is simple it_won’t be found is simple: it