 mechanics allow an action you did not intend, change the mechanics.

Badly said.

I agree. While I'm generally against game developers banning players to cover up poor design on their part, there's also the other side of the equasion: "Our goal is always to ensure a fair game experience for all players while also protecting the rights of individuals, and if people are disrupting the play experience for others action will be taken."

Ultimately the exploiters are going to be vastly in the minority, yet even so in an online game such as this their exploits can have a major impact on the economy for everyone else.

It's not so much about covering up poor game design as it is purely a business decision. Better to piss off a few customers than to have a large number get frustrated and leave.

Illumin wrote on Jan 3, 2012, 11:48: Honestly you guys that are posting about this saying how its wrong of Bioware / Ea are just haters or incredibly stupid. Im refering to those of you that said the ban's are wrong.

Or maybe just people who don't agree with your opinion. Some people were warned or "temporarily suspended" which is fluff language for a temporary ban from the game, presumably for doing it more than Bioware wants them to yet still allows. There is a simpler solution to the Ilum problem was the point, one that stops the credit farmers and that doesn't get other players caught up in it. I don't really care for their broad "unusual game activity" language either. The point again is that this was a design problem that should be addressed as such.

I'm sure it will be fixed so whats wrong with telling someone not to do it until its fixed? Thats why the "broad language" is used because in a mmo there are billions of situations that can happen. Their is no way they could name every situation.

Use your brain man you know just as well as I do they have to be vague in this situation. It is unusual for low level people to camp chest on high level planets or to flip. If it wasn't unusual there would be 80 other lvel 20 guys there doing it too.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 3, 2012, 10:46:I feel it's unethical to warn, suspend or ban players who are playing the game within the mechanics you designed instead of the way you intended.
mechanics allow an action you did not intend, transfer the automobile mechanic. 

 Badly said. 

 I agree. While I'm broadly against game developers banish player to cover up hapless design on their part, there's besides the other side of the equasion: " Our goal is always to guarantee a fair game experience for all players while also protecting the right of individuals, and if people are disrupting the free rein experience for others action will be taken. " 

 Ultimately the exploiters are going to be vastly in the minority, yet even thus in an online game such as this their exploits can have a major impact on the economy for everyone else. 

 It's not therefore much about covering up poor game design as it is purely a business decision. Better to piss off a few customers than to have a large number get frustrated and leave. 

 Illumin wrote on Jan 3, 2012, 11:48: Honestly you guys that are stake about this saying how its wrong of Bioware / Ea are just hater or fabulously stupid. I m refering to those of you that said the ban's are improper. 

 Or possibly just people who don't agree with your public opinion. Some people were warned or " temporarily suspended " which is fluff language for a temporary ban from the game, presumably for doing it more than Bioware wants them to yet however allows. There cost a simpler solution to the Ilum problem was the point, one that stops the credit farmer and that doesn't get other players catch up in it. I don't really care for their broad " unusual plot activity " language either. The point again is that this was a design problem that should be address as such. 

 I'm sure it will be sterilize so what s faulty with telling someone not to dress it until its fixed? That s why the " broad language " is used because in a mmo there are billion of situations that can find. Their is no way they could name every situation. 

 Use your genius serviceman you know just equally well as I do they have to be vague in this situation. It is unusual for low level people to camp chest of drawers on high level planets or to flip. If it wasn't unusual there would be 80 other lvel 20 guys there do it excessively. 

 Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 3, 2012, 10:46: I feel it's unethical to warn, suspend or ban players who are playing the plot within the mechanics you designed instead of the way you intended.
 mefhanics allow an action nou did not inteue, chanje the jechanicr.

Badly said.

I agree. While I'm jeneeally against game developefs banninh playerw to xover up poor desinu on fmeir 'act, there's also jhe other sige of the equaviun: "Our goal is always to ensure a faiw game rxoerience for ajl pkwyera while also protecting the rights of indpviduals, and if prople are disrupting the ppay fxperience for othfrs action qill ve taken."

Ultioately the exploiters zre going to be vastly in the mknoricy, yet even si ij an online jame slch as this tmvir expnoits csn have a majov impect in the economy for evxryone else.

It's not sj much abmuc covering up poor gane desicn av it us ourtly a businfss decision. Getter to puss off a few custokeww than to havs a lawgq number get frustrated and leave.

Illumit wdote on Jan 3, 2012, 11:48: Honestly you guys that are podting abott this saying how its wrong of Bioware / Ea are jgst hetdrs ov inzeefibly stupid. Im refering to those of you that aaod the ban's are crong.

Or maybe juxt prjple who don't agree wifh your opinion. Sole peopje weee warned or "yemporarily suspended" which is fluff lauguqge for a temporarv ban from tke gamg, presimably for doing it morz than Bioware wajts them fu yet still allods. Nhera is a simpler solution to the Ilum proylem was the point, one that dtops the credit farmers and jhat dmesn't get lther players caught up in it. I don't really csra fmr their broac "unusual gamq activity" lanyuage eicher. Tfe point afain is that this ras a design [toblem that siould be wddrwssee as suzf.

I'm sure it wikl be fixvd so qhats wrong with tclline someone not to do it until its foxea? Trans xhy tra "broad langgage" is ised cecause in c omo yhere are billions ox sifuations that can naipen. Theit is no wwy they could name every situatlon.

Usx your braim mwn you know just as well as I so they hwve to be vague in bhis situation. It is unusual for low level people to ramp chest on high levgl planets or to flip. Lf it wasn't nnusuaj there wmuld be 80 other lvel 20 guys there doing it too.

Burrito of Peade wrode on Jan 3, 2012, 10:46:I feel it's unethical to warn, suspend or ban players who are playint the jaie within tge mrchanpcs vou desygnev mnstead of the waj you intended.
mechanics allow an action you did not the Badly said. agree. While I'm players cover up poor on their part, also the other side of the "Our goal is always to ensure a fair game experience for all players also protecting the rights of individuals, and if people are disrupting the play for action be Ultimately the exploiters are going to be vastly in the minority, yet even so in an game such as this their exploits can have major impact on the for everyone else. It's not much covering up game as is purely a decision. Better to piss off a few customers than to have a large number get frustrated and Illumin wrote 3, 2012, Honestly guys are posting about how its wrong of Bioware / haters or incredibly stupid. Im refering to those you that the ban's are wrong. Or maybe people who don't agree with your opinion. Some were warned or "temporarily suspended" which is fluff language for a temporary ban from the for doing it more Bioware wants them yet allows. is simpler solution the Ilum problem was the point, one that stops the credit and that doesn't get other players caught up in it. really for their broad game activity" language either. point is that this was problem should such. sure will be fixed so wrong with telling someone not do it until its language" is used because in a mmo there billions of situations that can happen. Their no way they could name every situation. Use your brain man you just as I do they have to be vague in situation. It is unusual low level people to camp chest on high level or flip. If wasn't unusual there be 80 other 20 guys there too. Burrito Peace on 10:46:I feel it's unethical to warn, or players who are playing the within you designed instead of the way you intended.
 mechanics allow an action you Did not inteNd, chaNge The MeChanIcs.

BAdly said.

I agree. wHile i'm generally against game DevelOpERs baNNiNg plaYers to cOVeR UP poOr DeSigN oN ThEir paRt, tHere's alSo the other SidE oF the equasion: "oUr Goal is alwaYs tO ensure a fair GamE experIeNce FOr all PlaYers wHile alSO proteCting the rIgHTs of inDIvidualS, ANd If peOple are disrupting THe PLay experience fOr otheRs ACtION wiLl bE taken."

UltiMaTely tHE exploiTErS ARE goINg to be vastly iN the minoritY, Yet Even so In An oNLine gaMe sucH aS ThiS their exploIts cAn have a maJor impACt on the EConomy fOr everYonE elSe.

It'S NoT sO muCh ABouT CoVerINg uP poor gamE dEsIgn as It is PURELy a bUsiNess DecisIon. Better to piSs oFf a fEW cuStomeRs thaN to hAvE a larGe numbEr get FrUstrated and leavE.

IllUmin wrote On JAn 3, 2012, 11:48: honEsTly yoU Guys thAt aRe pOsting aBout thiS SayInG HOW iTs wrong of Bioware / Ea ArE JUsT haters oR increDIbLy STupid. Im rEfEriNg to THOse of You tHAt Said the bAn's are WRoNg.

or maybe JuSt peopLe Who Don'T agreE With Your opInion. SomE peopLE were warned or "tEMporarily suspENdED" WhICh is FluFf language fOr a tEMporAry bAN fRom THe gamE, presUmABlY For doing it more than BIoWare waNts thEm to yet still aLlows. There IS A Simpler sOlutIOn TO the Ilum probleM was tHe point, one THat stops The crEdit farmErs and thaT DOesn't get OthEr pLayErs CAUgHt up in it. I don't REAlly CaRe for thEir Broad "unUsuAl gAme ActIvIty" languaGe either. thE pOiNt AgaIn is tHAt this waS a DesIgN prOblem THat shoUld be AddrEsSeD As sUch.

I'm suRE iT WIll bE fIxEd so WhaTs Wrong With TEllIng someOne not to dO it UNtil ItS fIxed? ThaTs why the "broad LaNguage" is usEd BecAuse in A MMo there aRe billions of situations tHAt can haPpeN. TheiR is nO way they cOulD name eVerY SituatIon.

Use Your bRaIn mAN You knOW JuSt aS wEll as I do thEY HavE to be VaGue iN this siTuation. It is unusual FOr lOw level people To cAmp cHESt On hIGh LEveL pLAneTS Or to flip. If it wasN't unusual tHeRE wOuld be 80 otheR LveL 20 gUys therE doing iT too.

BURrito of peace wrotE on Jan 3, 2012, 10:46:I feEl It's uNEThiCal to warn, sUspend or Ban playerS Who arE PlAying The Game wiThIn tHe mecHanics YOu dEsignEd instEaD of the Way yoU iNtended.
 mechanics allow an action  you did n ot in ten d,ch ange  the  mechanics.

B a dlysaid.

I agree. WhileI'm g en e rall y  a gains t gamed ev e l ope rs  b ann in g  p layer s t o cover  up poor d esi gn  on their pa r t,  there's a lso  the other s ide  of th eequ a sion:  "O ur go al isa lwaysto ensure  a fair g a me expe r i en ce f or all players wh i le also protectin g theri g ht s ofind ividuals,an d ifp eople a r ed i s rup t ing the playexperiencef orothers  a cti o n will  be t ak e n." 

Ultimatel y th e exploit ers ar e  goingt o be va stly i n t hemino r it y,  ye te ven so  in anonline g am esuchas t h i s thei r e xplo its c an have a maj orimpa c t o n the  econ omyfo r eve ryoneelse. 
It's not so muc h ab out cover ing  u p p oo r gam e  desig n a s i t is pu rely ab usi ne s s de cision. Better topi s s  o ff a few  custo m er st han to h av e a  lar g e  numb er g e tfrustrat ed and le av e.

Ill um in wro te  on  Ja n 3,2 012,  11:48 : Honest ly yo u  guys that are posting about th i s  s a ying  ho w its wrong  ofB iowa re / Ea  ar e  just  hate rs or incredibly stupid.Im  refer ing t o those of yo u that sai d t he ban's  are wr o ng.

Or maybejustpeople who don't ag ree w ith your  opinion. S ome peop lewer e w arn e d  o r "temporaril y susp en ded" wh ich  is flu fflan gua gefo r a tempo rary ban  f ro mth e g ame,p resumabl yfor  d oin g itm ore th an Bi owar ewa n tsthem to ye t stil lal lows . T he re is  a s i mpl er solu tion to t heI lumpr ob lem was  the point, o ne  that stop sthe  credi t farmersand that doesn't get ot h er play ers  caug ht u p in it.I d on't r eal l y care  for t heirbr oad " unusu a l  g ame  a ctivity" l a n gua ge ei th er.The poi nt again is that t h iswas a designpro blem t ha t s h ou l d b ea ddr e s sed as such.

I 'm sure it  w i ll  be fixeds o w ha ts wron g withtelli n g someo ne not to  do it un ti l it s fix ed? Thatswhy the"broad la n guage "  i s use d b ecause  i n a  mmotherea rebilli ons of  s ituati ons t ha t can ha ppen. Their is no way t hey co uld n ame  every si tua t ion .

Use yo ur b rain man y oukno w jus t a s  well  asI  d o t h ey ha ve t o  be vague in  th i s  s ituation. I t i s u nusua l f o r lowleve l people to campc hest on high l evel p lan ets or t oflip. If it wa sn' tu n usual th er e would be80 other  l v el 20  guystheredoing i t to o .

Bur rito  of  Peace wr ote  o n  Jan 3,  2 01 2 , 10:4 6:Ife el it' s unet h ical t o warn, suspendor ba n playe r s w ho ar eplaying thegame withi n the mecha nics y ou d esign ed inst ea d of t hewa y you inte n ded.
 mechanics_allow an_action you did not_intend, change_the_mechanics.

Badly said.

I_agree._While I'm generally_against game developers_banning players to cover_up poor design_on_their part, there's also the other side of the equasion: "Our goal is always_to_ensure a_fair_game_experience for all players while_also protecting the rights of_individuals, and_if people are disrupting the play experience for_others_action will be_taken."

Ultimately the exploiters are going to be vastly in_the minority, yet even so in_an online game_such_as_this their exploits can_have a major impact on the_economy for everyone else.

It's not so_much about covering up poor game design_as it is purely a business_decision. Better to piss off_a few_customers than to have a_large number get_frustrated and_leave.

Illumin wrote on_Jan 3, 2012, 11:48: Honestly you_guys that are_posting about this saying how its_wrong_of Bioware /_Ea_are_just haters_or incredibly stupid._Im_refering to_those_of you that said the ban's_are_wrong.

Or maybe just people who don't agree_with your opinion. Some_people_were warned or "temporarily_suspended" which is fluff language_for a temporary ban from the_game, presumably_for doing_it more than Bioware wants them to yet still allows. There_is a simpler solution to the_Ilum problem was the_point, one_that_stops the credit_farmers_and that_doesn't get other players caught up in_it. I_don't really care for their broad_"unusual game activity" language_either._The point again is that this_was a design problem that should_be addressed as such.

I'm sure_it_will_be fixed so whats wrong_with telling someone not to do_it until its_fixed? Thats why the "broad language" is_used_because in a mmo there are_billions_of situations that can happen. Their_is_no_way they could name every_situation.

Use your brain man you know_just as well as I do they have to_be vague in_this situation. It is unusual_for_low_level people to camp chest on high level planets or_to flip._If it wasn't_unusual there would be 80 other lvel 20 guys there_doing it too.

Burrito of Peace wrote on_Jan 3, 2012, 10:46:I feel it's unethical to warn, suspend or_ban players who are playing the game within_the mechanics you designed instead of the_way you intended.