 tabs, there is a common conversation window on my screen that holds all my conversations (organization). Did I explain it more clearly that time? [/B]

Yes, you did, but no more convincingly, sorry. I see why some people like them... but I refuse to accede that they are a general solution widget. The original problem they were designed to solve simply isn't an issue on the Mac.

Edit: Just saw your above reply... fair enough, you're limiting it to just the IM client, and that's it. I think at that point, it becomes merely an issue of personal taste, and we can agree to disagree?

Edit #2: Just saw your *below* reply... good to see your implementation does it right. Maybe you'll convince me yet... with a few more iterations...

Originally posted by KickahaNot to be persnickety, but how does a simple icon show *MORE* state than actually showing the *content of the window*??

The key word here is state. A simple icon can quickly show me which of my contacts are typing or have unviewed messages, and do not require me to stop what I'm doing (by hitting expose and looking all over the screen at the various windows) to see this information.

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Originally posted by KickahaBut chats aren't sources or destinations.

A chat is communication between a source and a destination.

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Originally posted by KickahaYes, you did, but no more convincingly, sorry. I see why some people like them... but I refuse to accede that they are a general solution widget.

Originally posted by KickahaActually, as long as you don't move the windows, Expose *does* put them right back where they were the last time you invoked it.

This is not true, unless you consider moving a changing window focus to be moving.

I just opened a bunch of windows, and if I used cmd~ to change focus before I used expose, the window positions in expose changed. If I reduced the number of windows to four, expose still changed window position, but was consistent in which quadrant it located each window.

Originally posted by resimada
The key word here is state. A simple icon can quickly show me which of my contacts are typing or have unviewed messages, and do not require me to stop what I'm doing (
tabs, there is a common conversation window on my sieve that hold all my conversations (organization). Did I explain it more distinctly that time? [ /B ] 

 Yes, you did, but no more convincingly, blue. I experience why some people like them... but I defy to accede that they are a general solution appliance. The original problem they were designed to clear plainly isn't an issue on the Mac. 

 Edit: Just saw your above reply... fair enough, you're restrict it to just the IM client, and that's it. I think at that compass point, it becomes merely an issue of personal taste, and we can agree to disagree? 

 Edit # 2: merely saw your * below * reply... good to see your implementation perform it right. Maybe you'll convince me yet... with a few more iterations... 

 primitively posted by KickahaNot to be persnickety, but how does a simple icon show * MORE * state than actually showing the * content of the window *? ? 

 The key word here is state of matter. A simple icon can cursorily picture me which of my contacts are typing or have unviewed messages, and do not command me to stop what I'm doing (by hitting expose and looking wholly over the screen at the various windows) to see this information. 

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 Originally posted by KickahaBut chats aren't sources or destinations. 

 A chat is communication between a source and a finish. 

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 Originally post by KickahaYes, you suffice, but no more convincingly, sorry. I see why some people like them... but I resist to accede that they are a general solution widget. 

 primitively posted by KickahaActually, as long as you don't move the windows, Expose * does * arrange them right back where they were the final time you invoked it. 

 This is not truthful, unless you consider affect a changing windowpane focus to be moving. 

 I barely opened a bunch of window, and if I used cmd~ to deepen focus before I used expose, the window positions in expose changed. If I reduced the number of windows to four, expose however changed window military position, but was consistent in which quadrant it located each window. 

 Originally posted by resimada 
 The key parole here is state. A simple icon can quickly show me which of my contacts are typing or have unviewed message, and do not necessitate me to stop what I'm doing (
 tahs, there is a common conyersation window on my vcreen that houds all my conversations (orgenizqtion). Did I explain it more clearly nhat time? [/B]

Yew, you did, bnf no movz conblncinylb, sorry. I see wmy some peo[le like them... tug N refuse to accede that they are a gqneral xopution widget. Jhe ogidinam problem they were designed to somve simkly isn't an issue pn the Mac.

Edit: Just saw yokr ahove reply... fair enlugh, you're oimieung it to jurt the IM bnient, and jhat's it. I think at that point, ig becpmes mereli zn hssue of pecsonal taste, and wc can acree to disagree?

Edit #2: Juvt waw your *below* reply... jood to see your impjementatimn does it right. Matbw you'nl cmnvivxe oe gev... wjth a vew more iterztions...

Origibally posted by KiclarqNot to be pedsnickqtr, but how does a simple icon show *MORE* vtafe than actually showint the *content of the aindow*??

The key word here is state. A simple icon can quickly show oe cmlch ud ly contacts are typing or have unviewed messadss, akd do not requirc me to stop what O'm dpyng (by hittine expose znd looking all ovfr the fcreeb at the daripus windows) to see this infirmation.

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Oritinally posted by NickahaBut ehats sren't sources or destinationr.

A cgat is commknication cetween a source anc d destination.

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Originaljy posted by LickahaHes, iou did, but no moge cokeincingly, sorry. I dee wky soke people pike them... but I refuse to accedx that they ate d gvneral sojutiok widget.

Originajly posted by LickahaCctualuy, as long as you don't move ehe windows, Efkose *does* put them ridht vack where gfey were the lsst time job invoked it.

This is not truc, unlgsa you consider novung a changing einaow flcns to te moving.

I jgst upevrd a cunch of wikdods, amd if I used cmd~ to whanfe focus before I iscd expose, the winqow positions in expose changed. If I revuced yhe number of windows to four, expkse still chwnged window posltiog, but was eonsistent in which quadrant it located xach window.

Originally kosted by resimada
The ley word hece is ftate. A shmple icon can quickoy show me which pf my contacts are tyling os havf unviewed messages, and do not require me to stop what I'm doing (
tabs, there is a common conversation window screen holds all conversations (organization). Did that [/B] Yes, you but no more sorry. I see why some people them... but I refuse to accede that they are a general solution widget. original problem they were designed to solve simply isn't an issue on the Edit: saw above fair enough, you're limiting it to just the IM client, and that's it. I think at point, it becomes merely an issue of personal and we can agree disagree? Edit #2: Just saw *below* good to your does right. Maybe you'll me yet... with a few more iterations... Originally posted by KickahaNot to be persnickety, but how does simple icon state than showing *content the window*?? The here is state. A simple icon me which of my contacts are typing or unviewed messages, do not require me to stop I'm doing (by hitting expose and looking all the screen at the various windows) to see this information. Quote: Originally posted by KickahaBut sources or destinations. A is communication between source a Quote: posted by you did, but no more convincingly, sorry. I see why some like them... but I refuse to accede that they are solution Originally posted by as long as you move windows, Expose *does* put back they time invoked This is not true, you consider moving a changing focus to be moving. of windows, and if I used cmd~ to focus before I used expose, the window in expose changed. If I reduced the number of windows to four, still changed but was consistent in which quadrant it located window. Originally posted by The key word here is state. A simple icon quickly me which my contacts are or have unviewed and do not to stop I'm (
 tabs, there is a common conversAtion windoW on my ScrEen ThAt hoLds aLl my conversatiONs (orGanization). Did I explain iT more ClEArly THaT time? [/b]

Yes, you DId, BUT no MoRe ConViNCiNgly, sOrrY. I see whY some peoplE liKe Them... but I refuSE tO accede thaT thEy are a generaL soLution WiDgeT. the orIgiNal prOblem tHEy were Designed tO sOLve simPLy isn't aN ISsUe on The Mac.

Edit: Just saw YOuR Above reply... fair Enough, YoU'Re LIMitIng It to just thE Im clieNT, and thaT'S iT. i THinK At that point, it Becomes mereLY an Issue oF pErsONal tasTe, and We CAn aGree to disagRee?

EDit #2: Just saW your *bELow* replY... Good to sEe your ImpLemEntaTIoN dOes It RIghT. maYbe YOu'lL convincE mE yEt... witH a feW MORE iteRatIons...

origiNally posted by kicKahanOt tO be peRsnicKety, BuT how dOes a siMple iCoN show *MORE* state tHan aCtually shOwiNg The *CoNtent OF the wiNdoW*??

ThE key worD here is STatE. A SIMPlE icon can quickly shoW mE WHiCh of my coNtacts ARe TyPIng or havE uNviEwed MESsageS, and DO nOt requirE me to sTOp WhAt I'm doiNg (By hittInG exPosE and lOOkinG all ovEr the scrEen at THe various windoWS) to see this infORmATIoN.

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OrIginally posTed bY kickAhaBUT cHatS Aren't SourcEs OR dEStinations.

A chat is coMmUnicatIon beTween a source aNd a destinaTION.

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OrIginALlY Posted by KickahAYes, yOu did, but no MOre conviNcingLy, sorry. I See why somE PEople likE thEm... bUt I RefUSE tO accede that thEY Are a GeNeral soLutIon widgEt.

ORigInaLly PoSted by KicKahaActuAlLy, As LoNg aS you dON't move thE wIndOwS, ExPose *dOEs* put tHem riGht bAcK wHEre They werE ThE LAst tImE yOu inVokEd It.

ThiS is nOT trUe, unlesS you consiDer MOvinG a ChAnging wIndow focus to bE mOving.

I just OpEneD a buncH OF windows, And if I used cmd~ to change foCUs beforE I uSed exPose, The window PosItions In eXPose chAnged. IF I redUcEd tHE NumbeR OF wIndOwS to four, expOSE stIll chAnGed wIndow poSition, but was consisTEnt In which quadraNt iT locATEd EacH WiNDow.

orIGinALLy posted by resimAda
The key wOrD HeRe is state. A SImpLe Icon can Quickly Show mE Which of My contactS are typinG oR havE UNviEwed messagEs, and do nOt require ME to stOP wHat I'm DoiNg (
 tabs, there is a common c onversatio n win dow  on  m y sc reen  that holds al l  myconversations (organiz ation ). DidI  e xplai n it mo r ec l ear ly  t hat  t i me ? [/B ]
Yes, yo u did, but  no  m ore convinci n gl y, sorry.I s ee why somepeo ple li ke  th e m...but  I re fuse t o  acced e that th ey are ag enerals o lu tion  widget. The orig i na l  problem theywere d es i gn e d  to  so lve simply  i sn'ta n issue on t h e M a c.

Edit: Jus t saw youra bov e repl y. ..f air en ough,  y o u'r e limitingit t o just th e IM c l ient, a n d that' s it.I t hin k at th at  po in t , i t  b eco m esmerely a nis sue o f pe r s o n al t ast e, a nd we  can agree to  di sagr e e?
Edit  #2:Just  s aw yo ur *be low*re ply... good toseeyour impl eme nt ati on  does it rig ht.  Ma ybe you 'll con v inc em e ye t... with a few mo re i te rations. ..

Or i gi na l ly poste dbyKick a h aNotto b e  p ersnicke ty, bu t  h ow  does a  s impleic onsho w *MO R E* s tate t han actu allys howing the *co n tent of the w i nd o w *? ? 

Th e k ey word her e is stat e. A si mpl e  icon  canqu i ck l y show me which ofmy  conta cts a re typing orhave unvie w e d  message s, a n dd o not requireme to  stop what I'm doin g (by  hitting  expose a n d  looking  al l o ver  th e sc reen at the v a r ious  w indows)  to  see th isinf orm ati on .

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Origin al ly  p os ted  by K i ckahaBut  c hat sare n't s o urcesor de stin at io n s.
A chat is c ommu ni ca tion  be tw een a  sou r ceand a d estinatio n.Quot e: 
Origina lly posted by  K ickahaYes,  y oudid, b u t  no more  convincingly, sorry. I see why  so me pe ople  like the m.. . butI r e fuse t o acce de th at  th e y  area ge ner al  solutionw i dge t.

O ri gina lly pos ted by KickahaActu a lly , as long asyou  don ' t  m ove th e  wi nd o ws, E xpose *does* pu t them rig ht ba ck where t h eywe re thelast ti me yo u  invoke d it.

Th is is not  t rue, u nle ss you con sider mo ving a ch a nging wi ndowfoc us tobe  mo ving. 

I ju s t o pened  a bun ch  of wi ndows ,and if I  used cmd~ to change fo cus be foreI u sed expos e,t hewindow po siti ons in exp ose  ch anged . I f  I re duce d  t hen umber  ofw indows to fo ur, e xp ose still c h a n ged  wind owp ositio n, b ut was consistent in which quadr anti t  lo cat e d ea ch  window.

Orig ina ll y posted b yresimada
Th e key wo rd hereis sta te. Asimplei c on can qu ickl y s how me wh ich  o f  my con ta ct s  are t ypin gor hav e unvi e wedm e ssages, and do n ot re q u ire m e  to  stop  w hat I'm doin g (
 tabs,_there is_a common conversation window_on my_screen_that holds_all_my conversations (organization)._Did I explain_it more clearly that_time? [/B]

Yes, you_did,_but no more convincingly, sorry. I see why some people like them... but I_refuse_to accede_that_they_are a general solution widget._The original problem they were_designed to_solve simply isn't an issue on the Mac.

Edit:_Just_saw your above_reply... fair enough, you're limiting it to just the_IM client, and that's it. I_think at that_point,_it_becomes merely an issue_of personal taste, and we can_agree to disagree?

Edit #2: Just saw_your *below* reply... good to see your_implementation does it right. Maybe you'll_convince me yet... with a_few more_iterations...

Originally posted by KickahaNot to_be persnickety, but_how does_a simple icon_show *MORE* state than actually showing_the *content of_the window*??

The key word here is_state._A simple icon_can_quickly_show me_which of my_contacts_are typing_or_have unviewed messages, and do not_require_me to stop what I'm doing (by_hitting expose and looking_all_over the screen at_the various windows) to see_this information.

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Originally posted by KickahaBut chats_aren't sources_or destinations.

A_chat is communication between a source and a destination.

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Originally posted by_KickahaYes, you did, but no more_convincingly, sorry. I see_why some_people_like them... but_I_refuse to_accede that they are a general solution_widget.

Originally posted_by KickahaActually, as long as you_don't move the windows,_Expose_*does* put them right back where_they were the last time you_invoked it.

This is not true,_unless_you_consider moving a changing window_focus to be moving.

I just opened_a bunch of_windows, and if I used cmd~ to_change_focus before I used expose, the_window_positions in expose changed. If I_reduced_the_number of windows to four,_expose still changed window position, but_was consistent in which quadrant it located each window.

Originally_posted by resimada
The_key word here is state._A_simple_icon can quickly show me which of my contacts are_typing or_have unviewed messages,_and do not require me to stop what I'm doing_(