 heat not yet accounted for, possibly because of inaccuracies in OHC measurements.

Fred- I will read the paper, but I do not see how they would have been able to determine that higher temps would have been caused by human caused CO2 vs. other potential causes. I can suggest other potential causes as I am sure you can. Let me read the paper, before writing further since they may have covered my concerns.

The paper doesn’t address the cause of heating. My point was that deep ocean heat accumulation reflects surface heating extending far back in time, but with a correspondingly smaller contribution the further back one goes. It is likely that some of the storage reflects increases in solar irradiance from the early 20th century, but by now, that contribution will have been very much flattened in its time trend, whereas recent surface heating will not have come nearly as close to equilibrium and will mediate a steeper trend. The cause of warming in recent decades is a separate topic, and has been covered in this blog in a number of posts on radiative transfer, attribution, feedbacks, etc. It’s too large a topic to incorporate into these few comments.

I read the paper and they seem to have compiled pretty good temperature data, but you are correct they did not indicate anything that would indicate that that cause of the temperature change was due to increased CO2. It would seem that geothermal warming could easily be an alternate cause. We have been seeing the shift of the magnetic poles and this clearly indicates a significant change in the earth’s core, which would seem to indicate the potential for geothermal changes.

Fred
The paper does indeed suggest some warming of the deep ocean but it is a tiny amount and there are a lot of ifs and buts including the geographical coverage of the study data and the extent of the error bars, The following quotes are pertinent to my continuing doubts:

“To gain more precise estimates of the deep ocean’s contribution to sea level andglobal energy budgets, and to understand better how the deep and abyssal warmingsignals spread from the Southern Ocean around the globe, higher spatial and temporalresolution sampling of the deep ocean is required. The basin space-scale and decadaltime-scale resolution of the data used here could be aliased by smaller spatial scales andshorter temporal scales. Furthermore, the propagation of the signal can only beconjectured, not confirmed, with the present observing system.”

I think this is a bit small
heat not yet accounted for, possibly because of inaccuracies in OHC measurement. 

 Fred- I will understand the paper, but I do not see how they would have been able to settle that high temps would have been caused by human induce CO2 vs. early potential causes. I can suggest other potential causal agent as I am sure you can. Let me learn the newspaper, before writing further since they may have covered my concerns. 

 The paper does n’t cover the cause of heating. My point was that thick ocean heat accumulation reflect surface heating system extending far back in prison term, but with a correspondingly smaller contribution the further back one goes. It is probable that some of the storage reflects increases in solar irradiance from the early 20th century, but by now, that contribution will have been very a lot flatten in its time trend, whereas recent surface heating will not have come nearly as close to chemical equilibrium and will mediate a steeper vogue. The lawsuit of warming in recent decades is a freestanding topic, and has been covered in this blog in a number of post on radiative transfer, attribution, feedbacks, etc. It ’s too large a topic to incorporate into these few comment. 

 I read the paper and they seem to have compiled reasonably good temperature datum, but you are correct they did not indicate anything that would indicate that that cause of the temperature change was due to increase CO2. It would seem that geothermal warming could easily be an alternate lawsuit. We have been seeing the shift of the magnetic poles and this distinctly indicates a meaning change in the earth ’s core, which would seem to indicate the electric potential for geothermal changes. 

 Fred 
 The paper does indeed suggest some warming of the abstruse ocean but it is a tiny amount and there are a lot of ifs and buts including the geographic coverage of the study data and the extent of the error bars, The following quotes are pertinent to my continuing doubts: 

 “ To derive more precise estimates of the abstruse ocean ’s contribution to sea level andglobal department of energy budgets, and to understand better how the deep and abyssal warmingsignals spread from the Southern Ocean around the globe, higher spatial and temporalresolution sampling of the deep ocean is required. The basin outer space - plate and decadaltime - scale resolution of the data used here could be aliased by smaller spatial scales andshorter temporal scales. Furthermore, the generation of the signal can only beconjectured, not confirmed, with the present observing system. ” 

 I think this is a bit small
 hewt not yet accounted for, possibly because of iiaccuradies in UHC measurements.

Fred- I will cead the kcper, but I do not sed how thej would hqve ueen able to detxdmine tmct hifmer tzm's would have bgen caused bf human caused CU2 rs. other potential causes. I can suggqst othrr potential caufes sf I zm sure you can. Let me read the paler, befmre writing firther since they may have covfred my concerns.

Thf paper doewn’t wedress the cxuse of heating. My poiht was that deep ocean heat accjmulacion reflecjs sktface heatinj extegding far bagl in thme, but with a corresiondiigly smaller contribution the further back jne goes. Ht is likely that simw of jhe sdoraew rdfltctx jncreades in solar jrradiance drom the early 20th ctnttgu, but by now, that sogtribution will have been very much flautenes in its time trend, wheeeas recent surface hgating wilj not have come nearly as close to equilibrium ang wilm meblwgw w steeper trend. The cause of warming in recene dtcaces is a separcte topic, and hax herg covered in jhis blog jn a number of poshs on rwdiatuve transser, sttribution, feedbacks, etc. Ir’s too large q topic to incorpoxate into thzse fee comkents.

I read the paper aud theg seem to hwve compimdd pretty good tdmpvratgre data, but you are correst they dmd noc indicage amythind that woupd indicate that that cakse oy the temperatuge change was due to increased RP2. It would sgem thdt geothzrmal earming could easily be an clternatz causd. We have geen sexing the shist of the magtgtic poles anv this clqarlt ineicates x significant vhange in the earth’w core, which would segm to indicate thz korential for gepthdrmwl ciangef.

Xred
The papes dods kmdeed suggesu sioe wsrming of the deep owean but it is a tiny smjunt and there awe a lot of igs and buts includlng tie geojraphival coverage of the study data ans the extfnt of the errow bavs, Tre followiug quotes are pertinent to my continuing doubts:

“To gain mote precise estimates pn the deep orean’s sontributhon to sea level andtlobal energy budnets, and to understand bettes how the deep and abyssal warmingsignals spread from the Southern Ocean aroune the jljbe, higher apatoal atd cemporajresluution sampling pf the deep ocean is required. Tie basin s[aee-scale and decadaltime-scale terolution of tfe data used here could ge aliasrd by smaller spatial scales ancshorter temporal scales. Furthernore, fhe propagetion of the signal van onny bexonjectyred, not confirmea, wotm the presfnt pbaerving system.”

I think this is a vit smqlp
heat not yet accounted for, possibly because in measurements. Fred- will read the see they would have able to determine higher temps would have been caused human caused CO2 vs. other potential causes. I can suggest other potential causes I am sure you can. Let me read the paper, before writing further they have my The paper doesn’t address the cause of heating. My point was that deep ocean heat accumulation surface heating extending far back in time, but a correspondingly smaller contribution further back one goes. It likely some of storage increases solar irradiance from early 20th century, but by now, that contribution will have been very much flattened in its time whereas recent will not come as to equilibrium and a steeper trend. The cause of decades is a separate topic, and has been in this in a number of posts on transfer, attribution, feedbacks, etc. It’s too large a to incorporate into these few comments. I read the paper and they seem to have good temperature data, but are correct they not anything would that that of the temperature change was due to increased CO2. It would that geothermal warming could easily be an alternate cause. We seeing shift of the poles and this clearly a change in the earth’s would to for changes. The paper does indeed some warming of the deep but it is a a lot of ifs and buts including the coverage of the study data and the of the error bars, The following quotes are pertinent to my continuing “To gain estimates of the deep ocean’s contribution to sea andglobal energy budgets, and understand better how the deep and abyssal warmingsignals spread the Ocean around globe, higher spatial temporalresolution sampling of deep ocean is basin space-scale decadaltime-scale of here could be aliased by smaller scales temporal scales. Furthermore, the propagation the only beconjectured, not confirmed, with the present observing system.” I think this is a bit
 heat not yet accounted for, posSibly becauSe of iNacCurAcIes iN OHC Measurements.

FrED- I wiLl read the paper, but I do noT see hOw THey wOUlD have Been ablE To DETerMiNe ThaT hIGhEr temPs wOuld havE been causeD by HuMan caused CO2 vS. OtHer potentiAl cAuses. I can sugGesT other PoTenTIal caUseS as I aM sure yOU can. LeT me read thE pAPer, befORe writiNG FuRtheR since they may have COvERed my concerns.

THe papeR dOEsN’T AddResS the cause oF hEatinG. my point WAs THAT deEP ocean heat accUmulation reFLecTs surfAcE heATing exTendiNg FAr bAck in time, buT witH a correspOndingLY smalleR ContribUtion tHe fUrtHer bACk OnE goEs. iT is LIkEly THat Some of thE sToRage rEfleCTS INcreAseS in sOlar iRradiance from The EarlY 20Th cEnturY, but bY now, ThAt conTributIon wiLl Have been very mucH flaTtened in iTs tImE trEnD, wherEAs receNt sUrfAce heatIng will NOt hAvE COMe Nearly as close to equIlIBRiUm and wilL mediaTE a StEEper trenD. THe cAuse OF WarmiNg in REcEnt decadEs is a sEPaRaTe topic, AnD has beEn CovEreD in thIS bloG in a nuMber of poSts on RAdiative transfER, attribution, fEEdBACkS, Etc. IT’s tOo large a topIc to INcorPoraTE iNto THese fEw comMeNTs.

i Read the paper and they SeEm to haVe comPiled pretty goOd temperatURE Data, but yOu arE CoRRect they did not IndicAte anythinG That woulD indiCate that That cause OF The tempeRatUre ChaNge WAS dUe to increased co2. it woUlD seem thAt gEothermAl wArmIng CouLd Easily be aN alternaTe CaUsE. WE haVe beeN Seeing thE sHifT oF thE magnETic polEs and This ClEaRLy iNdicateS A sIGNifiCaNt ChanGe iN tHe earTh’s cORe, wHich wouLd seem to iNdiCAte tHe PoTential For geothermal ChAnges.

Fred
THe PapEr does INDeed suggEst some warming of the deep OCean but It iS a tinY amoUnt and theRe aRe a lot Of iFS and buTs inclUding ThE geOGRaphiCAL cOveRaGe of the stuDY DatA and tHe ExteNt of the Error bars, The followINg qUotes are pertiNenT to mY COnTinUInG DouBtS:

“to gAIN more precise estImates of thE dEEp Ocean’s contRIbuTiOn to sea Level anDglobAL energy Budgets, anD to undersTaNd beTTEr hOw the deep aNd abyssaL warmingsIGnals SPrEad frOm tHe SoutHeRn OCean aRound tHE glObe, hiGher spAtIal and TempoRaLresolutIon sampling of the deep oceAn is reQuireD. ThE basin spaCe-sCAle And decadaLtimE-scale resoLutIon Of the DatA Used hEre cOUlD be ALiaseD by sMAller spatIAl ScaLES aNdshorter teMPORal ScaleS. FuRThermoRe, thE propagation of the SIgnal can only beConjECTurEd, nOT conFiRmed, with the preSenT oBSErving syStEm.”

I think thiS is a bit sMaLL
 heat not yet accounted fo r, possibl y bec aus e o finac cura cies in OHC me a sure ments.

Fred- I will r ead t he pape r ,but I  do not se e how  t he y w ou l dhavebee n ableto determi neth at higher te m ps  would hav e b een caused b y h uman c au sed CO2 v s.other  poten t ial ca uses. I c an sugges t  otherp o te ntia l causes as I ams ur e  you can. Letme rea dt he p ape r,before wri ti ng fu r ther si n ce t h eym ay have cover ed my conce r ns. 

Thepa per doesn’ t add re s s t he cause of  hea ting. Mypointw as that deep oc ean he atacc umul a ti on  re fl e cts su rfa c e h eating e xt en dingfarb a c k  intim e, b ut wi th a correspo ndi ngly sma llercontr ibut io n the  furth er ba ck  one goes. It i s li kely that  so me  of  t he st o rage r efl ect s incre ases in sol ar i r ra diance from the ea rl y 20 th centu ry, bu t  b yn ow, that  c ont ribu t i on wi ll h a ve  been ve ry muc h  f la ttenedin  its t im e t ren d, wh e reas  recen t surfac e hea t ing will not h a ve come nearl y  a s cl o se t o e quilibriumandw illmedi a te  as teepe r tre nd .  T h e cause of warmingin  recen t dec ades is a sep arate topi c , and hasbeen co v ered in this b log i n a number of posts  on r adiative  transfer , attribut ion , f eed bac k s ,etc. It’s too l arge  a  topictoincorpo rat e i nto  th es e few com ments.
Ire ad  t hepaper and they  s eem  t o h ave c o mpiled  pret ty g oo dt emp erature da t a , bu tyo u ar e c or rectthey did  not in dicate an yth i ng t ha twould i ndicate thatth at cause o fthe  tempe r a ture cha nge was due to increase d  CO2. I t w ouldseem  that geo the rmal w arm i ng cou ld eas ily b eana l terna t e  c aus e.  We have b e e n s eeing  t he s hift of  the magnetic pole s  an d this clearl y i ndic a t es  as ig n ifi ca n t c h a nge in the eart h’s core,wh i ch  would see m  to  i ndicate  the po tenti a l for g eothermal  changes. 
Fred T hepaper does  indeedsuggest s o me wa r mi ng of  th e deep  o cea n but  it is a t iny a mountan d ther e are  a  lot ofifs and buts includingthe ge ograp hic al covera geo f t he studydata  and the e xte ntof th e e r ror b ars, Th e f o llowi ng q u otes arep er tin e n tto my conti n u i ngdoubt s:“To ga in m ore precise estim a tes of the dee p oc e a n’s  co n trib ut ion to sea lev elan d g lobal en er gy budgets,  and toun d ersta nd bet ter ho w the d e e pa nd aby ssal  wa rmingsign als  s p read fr om  t h e Sout hern  O cean a roundt he g l o be, higher spati al an d tempo r alr esolu ti on samp l ingof the dee p ocean isrequir ed.The b asin sp ac e-scal e a nd  decadalti m e-scale r esolu tion of  t he d ata  usedhere c ouldbe a li ase d by smal l e rs pa ti a l s cale s and sh orte r tempora l  scales.  Fu r thermor e,  th e propag a ti o n  of the si gna l can o nly beconj e ctur e d, not c onfirm ed, wi th thep res en t obser vin g system.”
I thinkt his  i s abit smal l
 heat_not yet_accounted for, possibly because_of inaccuracies_in_OHC measurements.

Fred-_I_will read the_paper, but I_do not see how_they would have_been_able to determine that higher temps would have been caused by human caused CO2_vs._other potential_causes._I_can suggest other potential causes_as I am sure you_can. Let_me read the paper, before writing further since_they_may have covered_my concerns.

The paper doesn’t address the cause of heating._My point was that deep ocean_heat accumulation reflects_surface_heating_extending far back in_time, but with a correspondingly smaller_contribution the further back one goes._It is likely that some of the_storage reflects increases in solar irradiance_from the early 20th century,_but by_now, that contribution will have_been very much_flattened in_its time trend,_whereas recent surface heating will not_have come nearly_as close to equilibrium and will_mediate_a steeper trend._The_cause_of warming_in recent decades_is_a separate_topic,_and has been covered in this_blog_in a number of posts on radiative_transfer, attribution, feedbacks, etc._It’s_too large a topic_to incorporate into these few_comments.

I read the paper and they_seem to_have compiled_pretty good temperature data, but you are correct they did not_indicate anything that would indicate that_that cause of the_temperature change_was_due to increased_CO2._It would_seem that geothermal warming could easily be_an alternate_cause. We have been seeing the_shift of the magnetic_poles_and this clearly indicates a significant_change in the earth’s core, which_would seem to indicate the_potential_for_geothermal changes.

Fred
The paper does indeed_suggest some warming of the deep_ocean but it_is a tiny amount and there are_a_lot of ifs and buts including_the_geographical coverage of the study data_and_the_extent of the error bars,_The following quotes are pertinent to_my continuing doubts:

“To gain more precise estimates of the_deep ocean’s contribution_to sea level andglobal energy_budgets,_and_to understand better how the deep and abyssal warmingsignals spread_from the_Southern Ocean around_the globe, higher spatial and temporalresolution sampling of the deep_ocean is required. The basin space-scale and_decadaltime-scale resolution of the data used here could be aliased by_smaller spatial scales andshorter temporal scales. Furthermore, the_propagation of the signal can only beconjectured,_not confirmed, with the_present_observing system.”

I think this is a bit_small