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 Take a break from dates 

I'm sorry to see that Greg is getting on your last nerve.  You know that there are people that understand and agree with your point — so stop pushing it.  (I know I'm not always able to follow that advice myself, so I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou or condescending, apologies if it comes across that way.)  My (inadvertently) driving Gerry away was a real eye-opener for me.  I disagreed with him quite regularly, but I never felt he was actively disruptive.  The same goes for PmAnderson/Septrasomething, who hasn't really contributed to the debate for a while.  The useless point/counter-point we're participating in with Greg and Tony is driving away all the people who might otherwise come to a reasonable conclusion (or at least legitimize the debate) if we weren't monopolizing things.  You've already suggested a Wikibreak for the same group that I just did (in fact it's partly what gave me the idea) and I think we should just abide by it, whether or not the other ""side"" does.  Ryan and the other ArbCom folk aren't stupid, they'll see what's happened and (hopefully) give due weight to the opinions of people who have tried to act responsibly.  If not, then is it really worth fighting for, anyway?  Cheers,   "