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As to ""The issue was put to a vote on TMB"" allow me to resurrect an archived discussion: 
The founder discussion starts here with a poll in which 11 persons voted and 9 agreed that Irvine was the Originator of the movement (as opposed to Architect, author, creator, Father or inventor of the movement, which names all received 0 votes, or the Entrepreneur or Maker of the movement, which names received 1 vote each). Although the topic of the poll and subsequent messages is ""Founder"" the term ""Founder"" was not included as an option on the poll.

This message thread is 20 pages long  556 messages. So long in fact that a second thread called Founder part II was started. That thread is 1750+ messages long. More than a dozen is an understatement: 20 unique posters appear on the first two pages of part II. Even a cursory reading, however, shows that a consensus has not been reached. As late as yesterday this message appeared. It's pretty clear that the same faith-inspired contentiousness evidenced by Members who are editing this article is reflected on TMB as well even now. RSuser is disingenuous to assert that a consensus exists on TMB which should be reflected here even if it contradicts documented facts.   

I am getting rather weary of this. It's getting hard to stay civil.   "