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"It would certainly be a lot of fun to straight-up beat up the tough enemies in Ultimate without a lot of screwing around trying to activate cheese first.  (Or, in my case, without taking forever).  Would be great to see Kaylon do it, or maybe I'll try it out myself (or whoever else may try it and let us know)\n \n\n\n\tAbydon's challenge would make using the Voidwheel and Keeper of Flame weapons somewhat questionable, but that may not be an absolute problem with either enough money, fast enough kills, or perhaps not needing to use them all that much.\n \n\n\n\tI have a question, also: can you control the monk duplicates?   One possibly interesting thing is that maybe there is a better class than chanter to go with ranger for a different way to do my type of strategy.  Ranger probably sounds weak to you guys, but in Ultimate, that boar is amazing.  Of course, you'd lose what may be the whole point of a monk, which are its tier 8 and 9 abilities.  A monk needs resonant touch to beat the mega-ooze, is that right?  Although, if you can control the monk duplicates, you could beat the mega-ooze, potentially, the same way I beat him with a ranger/chanter.\n \n"
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