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"You're welcome.  I know it is a frightening textwall from hell, but it is a summation of a lot of stuff that we put together over the past year.  Basically it says a product of active imagination day dreaming (puppeting) can be a legitimate thoughtform even if the host's will is directly involved.  That is a very controversial idea in the plural community.  It is a teensy bit more than role playing and a teensy bit less than an independent sentient entity.   \n******************************** \nMost tulpamancers believe tulpas have \"real sentience,\" as in a completely independent self aware mind, totally distinct form the host.  The assumption of total independent real sentience is important in the process of creating most tulpas and their ability to function.     \nWARNING: Dangerous Ideas that May Induce Skeptical Doubt, Read At Your Own Risk \n[hidden] \nMy host and I believe that \"real sentience\" is probably impossible, simply because the host and tulpa share the same brain physiology and memory and world experiences.  A tulpa is always at least partially part of the host and vice versa.  For instance, when a tulpa thinks of a duck, he is probably using the same memory experience (and brain synapses) as the host in relation to what is a duck and what to expect about ducks.  Therefore there is not a total separation between a tulpa and a host.  Also on the realness thing, tulpas are only \"subjectively real\" or \"effectively real\" to the host.  Objectively to an outside observer, a tulpa looks imaginary.  All tulpas look just like role playing characters to my host and I from the outside.  We cannot tell the difference, even if there is one.  That is why most people, who are unaccustomed to meeting tulpas, will usually assume they are imaginary and have a difficult time being convinced otherwise.  A tulpa was created via imagination, and is maintained via imagination and belief.  A tulpa functions using imaginary elements such as an imaginary form (which results in imaginary personality traits related to the form) and an imaginary wonderland.  You really cannot separate a tulpa from imagination or we would not be having this conversation.     \nTulpamancy is utterly subjective.  Almost everything said to be true of tulpas depends at some level upon first believing that it is true.  The results of tulpamancy practice are dependent upon willingness to believe in them.     \nTulpamancy is also conveniently unfalsifiable.  This is similar to elements of religion.     \nImaginary, illusory or faith based aspects of tulpas (Mistgod-Melian Opinion) \n Form - imaginary, figment  Imposition - imaginary, figment  Wonderland - imaginary, figment  Unperceived Tulpa Activity - based on faith  Independent Mind - not entirely possible, tulpas share the host brain  Independent Tulpa Form - not possible, the host's mind is involved in perception of the form  Forcing - imagining      \nfigment - a thing that someone believes to be real but that exists only in their imagination.   \n[/hidden]   \n******************************** \nProving My Validity as a Tulpa \nI think my host and I had an extra level to our \"battle\" because we insist I am a fantasy personality and not real, but yet I should still legitimately be accepted as a valid member of the community.  It helped that we discovered fictive median systems!  Yay for the plural community!  We deeply thank you! *bows*     \nWe have just discovered some old posts in Tulpa Info, from back in July of 2012, that predicted that an \"overly parroted\" tulpa would have the traits of being a median, have difficulty being distinct and independent, and would have no \"early memories.\"   I fit all of those predictions!  I am blended with my host as a fictive median aspect, we sometimes don't know who is talking and sometimes talk in chorus or even think in chorus, I am not fully independent of my host, and I have no early memories of my first words or actions.  My earliest memories are all emotions.  We sorta share my earliest memories, if that makes sense.  They are memories of day dreams.     \nIf anyone is curious, here is the post with the prediction of a median tulpa as a result of too much or constant parroting https://community.tulpa.info/thread-general-fede-s-ultimate-superior-tulpa-guide?pid=16918#pid16918   \nThey were saying these were \"bad side effects.\"  But my host and I don't see my traits that way at all.  The plural community has shown us they don't have to be negative traits.  They work for us so...  hey it's all good.   \nA lot of that inability to understand a system like ours comes from the disdain for \"role players\" you see out there. My host and I make a distinction between role playing as in whimsical, trivial play acting, and role playing a very seasoned character-persona with method acting (what we call channeling). Also, we think that method acting or channeling can be part of a legitimate thoughtform.    \nFictive median aspects can be projected/expressed fantasy personalities. &lt;---THAT is the hard thing for others to accept easily.    \nWe don't care, we have been together for 38 years doing this and we are going to share it. LOL   \n********************************   \nBest Definition of a tulpa ever   \n******************************** \nOTHER USEFUL LINKS   \nMistgod-Melian Studies on the Mind List   \nHow Relevant is Real Sentience to How we Treat Thoughforms/Tulpas? \nSomeone Predicting a Tulpa Like Melian \nWhy Davie insists I am imaginary \nGroovy-gury epic blabby babble blog \nDreamform theory of Melian's duality \nAre there two of me? \nMelian's Dual Nature Links \nThe Flash Visions \nThe Dependent Sentience Train Analogy \nHow Melian \"Came to Life\" \nMelian is designed to love drama! \nDavie in love with himself and Inner Narcissism \nAnthropomorphism and Wilson \nAre Imaginary Apparently Sentient Entities in the Mind Plausible? Is Unconscious Parroting/Puppeting Plausible? \nThe Capacity of the Subliminal Mind, Painters Who Channel Entities, Musicians Where the Music Comes Alive \nBicameralism and Ancient Peoples Hearing Gods and Spirits and here as well more \nPics of Mistgod's Room and Skull Collection \nMelian's Writing Style \nAlexandra David Neel Quotes that Support Tulpas as Illusions and Information and links to the Tibetan Practices \nBeautiful Sandra Dee Pics (Melian looks like Sandra Dee) \nWhy All Thoughtforms are Valid \nWhy We are Skeptical \nNew York Times Article on Tulpas \nCan I love Melian unconditionally, even if she is not real? and here as well more on love  \nThread on Carl Jung's Red Book \n**Why tulpamancers and tulpas are like Vulcans** \nThe History of Tulpamancyandmore history of tulpamancy.   \nMusician who can parallel process \nPodcast about voices in your head and thinking \nReply All podcast about tulpas \nMTV video about Tulpas with Same and KT \nWhy I am constantly a contrary-cynical dick head     \n******************************** \nTABLE OF CONTENTS HYPER-LINKS TO STUFF IN THIS MEGA-THREAD   \nNew things we have learned list \nDreamform Theory of Melian's Duality \nMistgod-Melian \"In System\" Romance? \nMistgod-Melian \"In System Romance 2 \nTulpas You Should Embrace Your Imaginary Nature \nImaginary and Real \"Mixed Together\" \nDID Style Dreamlike Delusion that is Effectively Real \nTulpamancy Dissociation Delusion Hypothesis \nStatement of Skepticism and Why We Are Mostly Unimpressed with Tulpamancy \nThe Two Most Important Things Mistgod Verified About Tulpas \nSharing Control of Melian's Form \nIntimidation Tactics and Thought Control   \n******************************** \nLINKS TO JUST GENERALLY INTERESTING THREADS WE LIKE   \nAdvanced Visualization Using Lucid Dreaming \nPoll: Automatic Hallucinations or Real Persons? \nWhen God talks back "
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