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"This characterizes them as helpless and in constant need of rescue. But they held it together for 8k years. What about all the times the South needed the North. Dany needed a bailout of food. Stannis needed them to prop up his failing campaign. The Targaryens needed them to cooperate so Aegon didnt look like a fool (the North could have easily pulled a Dorne). The Lannisters and Dany needed them for legitimacy. At a certain point the Northern people would ask, what are we even getting out of this relationship, when the Starks had a better track record. Dont forget that House Stark was almost wiped out in Ned's generation because of the Iron Throne. It would have been the end of the line if not for Catelyn and Ned. \n \n\n\n\n\n\tA nation state has to exist independently first before they can come together internationally. I think this view skips the colonial resistance period and the fall of empires - I think this is what the ending of the story is trying to capture. Northern Independence isnt Brexit.\n \n\n\n\n\n\tSeason 6. Entire plot was a war for independence. Sure the show could have executed it better but if people cheered when the Stark banner rose over Winterfell, independence is what they were cheering for. The Starks didnt win that war for Daenerys.\n "
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