text: #ubuntu-design 2012-01-16
  <dholbach> good morning
  <bkerensa> sladen: Any chance of seeing a Ubuntu 125x125 web badge with the latest design guidelines?
  <MrChrisDruif> A 125x125 web badge with the "latest" design guidelines? Where can I find those guidelines bkerensa ?
  <MrChrisDruif> Do you mean the COF with that web badge btw?
  <bkerensa> MrChrisDruif: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ and yeah just a badge so bloggers and contributors can advocate on their blog for Ubuntu.... I have a Mozilla badge for instance
  <MrChrisDruif> Have they changed recently?
  <MrChrisDruif> Something like twibbon for adding to someone's avatar?
  <bkerensa> well the only one I could find was on Spreadubuntu and it uses the old logo
  <MrChrisDruif> I've used something like twibbon to add the COF to my avatar on facebook
  <bkerensa> nice
  <MrChrisDruif> So it's already out there, but not always as user-friendly as you'd want
  <bkerensa> But that is for avatars and not mean as a 125x125 web badge for blogs
  <bkerensa> http://affiliates-cdn.mozilla.org/media/uploads/banners/download_beta_small.png
  <bkerensa> thats what I mean something inviting
  <MrChrisDruif> bkerensa; can't you use this svg to make a 125x125 png? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UbuntuCoF.svg
  <czajkowski> wendar: we're going to be busy on panels at fosdem
  <sladen> bkerensa: could you clarify, a pre-rendered PNG @ 125x125  and do you want CoF, or Word mark, or just the text?
  <sladen> bkerensa: or a banner
  <czajkowski> sladen: you coming to FOSDEM ?
  <bkerensa> sladen: I was think a banner with the wordmark and some sort of text that said maybe Try Ubuntu today or something
  <sladen> bkerensa: so more like a blog advert banner etc
  <MrChrisDruif> Ah, a bit like that firefox icon you showed yesterday?
  <bkerensa> sladen: Yeah like Mozzilla pushes for their FOSS products
   * bkerensa would rather advertise FOSS then actually sell products on his blog for instance
  <sladen> bkerensa: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+filebug?field.title=Wishlist:+advert+banners+for+blogs+in+standard+sizes
  <sladen> bkerensa: and list the sizes that you're after, and what you'd like to see in them (if there are standards for these, can you link to them too)
  <bkerensa> k
  #ubuntu-design 2012-01-17
  <wendar> czajkowski: yup, FOSDEM is shaping up nicely (I'm at Linux.conf.au this week, just got network access to catch up)
  <dholbach> good morning
  <czajkowski> wendar: busy !
  <om26er> oh co'mon
  #ubuntu-design 2012-01-18
  <dholbach> good morning
  <doctormon> hey everyone
  <doctormon> Our weekly meeting will start in 8 mins
  <doctormon> OK time to start
  <doctormon> does anyone have any questios before I go into our progress?
  <doctormon> ok great
  <doctormon> So this week wendar is at SCALE and can't join us.
  <doctormon> There haven't been any further requests for design help from any projects this week
  <doctormon> There haven't been any requests for production help either.
  <doctormon> The work items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-ux-participation are going well.
  <doctormon> Does anyone have anything to add?
  <doctormon> Okay then, thanks to everyone for coming and I'll see you all next week.
  <doctormon> Remember to email or message here in IRC if you have any requests or ideas.
  #ubuntu-design 2012-01-19
  <dholbach> good morning
  <om26er> swilson, Hey! about the wallpaper changing on the login screen, as the selected username changes, someone made an interesting point
  <om26er> "Don't they have some sorta privacy problem with this? Like, if teenage boy wants to have nekkid lady wallpapers, maybe he don't want it to come up on family computer... Dunno, maybe it's not an issue?"
  <swilson> hi there! yes, i believe that a bug has been created which raises this same issue - about embarrassing or confidentiality issues with this
  <swilson> this seems to be a bit of an edge case, but it may be significant enough to warrant giving some careful thought
  <imnichol> Or if you have bank info on your screen before it's locked
  #ubuntu-design 2012-01-20
  <doctormon> pleia2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/spreadubuntu/+bug/919197
  <webbugs> Launchpad bug 919197 in SpreadUbuntu "New Category Needed 'Banners'" [Undecided,New]
  <pleia2> doctormon: yay!
  <pleia2> I'll send an email to the web guy who usually runs things when I have a chance (am at SCALE10x this weekend, and muy busy)
  <doctormon> pleia2: awesome, thanks
  <mcbaine1>  Hi there ::: I'm really excited about going to FOSDEM  ... I put an advert in the national newspaper to see if anyone else is going and to get in touch etc... Anybody available for abit of travelling / FLOSS advice here atmo.   ??
  <mcbaine1> http://goo.gl/6knuF
  #ubuntu-design 2012-01-21
  <doctormon> mcbaine1: Hello
  <mcbaine1> yeah.. just realized  that I uninstalled compix
  <mcbaine1> **compiz
  <mcbaine1> can someone ask :::: "Is the desktop on the bottom ??"...please
  <doctormon> mcbaine1: I don't understand your question.
  <mcbaine1> it's irrelevant to U.
  <doctormon> mcbaine1: I see, is it relevant to anyone here?
  #ubuntu-design 2013-01-14
  <coalwater> hello, there's this tool i usually see on omgubuntu, they create wireframes for mockups and stuff, what's the tool used for that ?
  <xnox> coalwater: pencil, balsamiq, lucidcharts, dia...
  <xnox> inkscape =)
  <coalwater> xnox: ill check those, ty
  <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
  <MrChrisDruif> Hi PaoloRotolo!
  <coalwater> MrChrisDruif everywhere :P
  <MrChrisDruif> Nah, not everywhere.
  <coalwater> MrChrisDruif: at least every where i go to, even my gtalk lol
  <coalwater> not complaining though
  <MrChrisDruif> =)
  #ubuntu-design 2013-01-15
  <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
  #ubuntu-design 2013-01-16
  <mpt> Is there a "download" icon in the icon theme? I guess there must be.
  <mpt> Can't find it, though.
  <xnox> mpt: down pointing green arrow, let me find it for you.
  <mpt> thanks
  <mpt> Dear Gimp, showing/hiding a layer is not the type of action that should go into the undo/redo stack
  <xnox> find /usr/share/icons/ -name '*download*'
  <xnox> gives me: /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/48/browser-download.svg
  <xnox> /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/places/folder-download-symbolic.svg
  <xnox> (which is a fancy dotted down arrow)
  <davidcalle> mpt, hi, I see you have trouble finding icons : do you know about https://launchpad.net/icon-library ?
  <mpt> davidcalle, I did not!
  <davidcalle> mpt, it's fantastic. You just need to download it and run the icon-library.py file
  <davidcalle> life changer :)
  <mpt> Sweet!
  <mpt> ...And no, there doesn't seem to be a plain download icon. There's browser-download, cluttered with a disk.
  <mpt> I guess that's the closest.
  <xnox> mpt: /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/emblems/emblem-downloads.png here is one cluttered with progress-bar
  <mpt> yeah :-)
  <xnox> /usr/share/icons/unity-icon-theme/places/svg/group-downloads.svg is a generic one, cluttered with a circle and it's not green
  <mpt> Is there ever a good time to include a progress bar in an icon?
  <xnox> /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/places/folder-download-symbolic.svg or dots?! =)
  <mpt> As opposed to overlaying a genuine progress bar over top of the icon.
  <xnox> mpt: well it's a clear indication that progress bars lie to you and huge downloads usually stall anyway and one never gets what one wants? =)))))
   * mpt wonders if "It's just  a string change!" is the UI equivalent of "It's just a flesh wound!"
  <mpt> When I insert an audio CD, I get a dialog, "You have just inserted an audio CD. Choose what application to launch."
  <mpt> The default option is "Ask what to do", but it's ALREADY DONE THAT
  <xnox> so the drop down default should be moved further down to "Lauch Music Player Rhythmbox"?
  <xnox> yeah that option doesn't make sense. cause i want to keep it asking what to do & offer what to do _now_ at the same time.
  <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
  #ubuntu-design 2013-01-17
  <mpt> Hi snwh!!!
  <mpt> LOUD NOISES
  <mpt> Oh dear, what did I do
  <snwh> mpt, what did you do?
  <mpt> snwh, you complained how quiet #ubuntu-design was, so I said "Hi snwh!!!" and "LOUD NOISES" and you dropped off IRC immediately
  <snwh> mpt, oh. I wasn't complaining, it was just an observation. :) -and skype had crashed by computer :/
  <mpt> You make a valid point, though, we should do more here
  <snwh> "Topic for #ubuntu-design set by wendar at Fri Dec 16 12:02:30 2011"
  <snwh> 2011 lol
  <mpt> Right now I'm designing the fix for bug 1033226
  <ubot5> bug 1033226 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "No close option, only restart" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033226
  <snwh> I've been getting feedback from gnome designer regarding an icon I did for dconf-editor (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/dconf-editor.svg)
  <mpt> A consummate V
  <snwh> ?
  <snwh>  /me googled
  <mpt> http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html
  <snwh> i was thinking  consummate as in marriage night
  <snwh> I'm still confused.
  <mpt> "And then, using consummate Vs, give him teeth, spinities, and angry eyebrows."
  <mpt> Anyway, the point is that that checkmark looks a bit more like a V than a checkmark. :-)
  <mpt> Moving it to the left would fix that.
  <snwh> there's an "unmagnified" that's outside the glass too that is unseen on white
  <snwh> and I did have a smaller 'v' in an older version: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/dconf-editor-alt.svg
  <snwh> mpt, since you're working on it :P - I've just noticed that the tabs are bit close to the "Techinical Description" https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/updater.png
  <mpt> snwh, true, I want to merge those tabs into a single field
  <mpt> but I'd better discuss that with mterry
  <snwh> I also thought that it doesn't expand very much either -the treeview especially for a long list
  <mpt> ugh, yeah, expanders are busted in GTK generally
  <mpt> By default it's supposed to be "tall enough to show six items in the list, with a minimum height of three items"
  <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#expanded
  <mpt> But then it doesn't resize properly when you collapse it, so you resize it manually, then when you expand it it tries to obey that manual sizing, etc
  <snwh> Oh GTK
  <snwh> speaking of GTK, do you know (or know of someone who can tell me) how the breadcrumbs a la GCC are done? we want to emulate them in unity tweak tool.
  <mpt> GCC has breadcrumbs?
  <mpt> oh I see
  <snwh> the All Settings > Whatever
  <mpt> snwh, <https://code.launchpad.net/~software-store-developers/software-center/4.0> has better ones, with interlocking buttons
  <mpt> (we dropped them altogether in 5.0)
  <snwh> cool, cause right now we have duplication with the toolbar and overview layout https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/utt.png
  <mpt> If you have just that many panels, you don't need those toolbar buttons at all
  <mpt> And if you have only two levels of hierarchy -- the table of contents + the individual panels -- you don't need breadcrumbs either
  <mpt> snwh, you could have something like the navigation mocked up in <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareAndUpdatesSettings?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=drivers-settings.mockup.png> instead.
  <snwh> mpt, the All Settings button, just being a button to the front page?
  #ubuntu-design 2013-01-18
  <mpt> snwh, yes ... I've wondered whether it should have a home icon as well as a label
  <mpt> Currently designing fixes for bug 165065 and <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-uefi-fastboot-ui>
  <ubot5> bug 165065 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "[wishlist] Ubuntu reboot into other OS" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165065
   * xnox got totally confused when I got update email, since there are _two_ fastboots.
  <xnox> one is UEFI as above, another is a clashing name of android utility to flash android devices (e.g. nexus7) which is also called fastboot.....
  <mpt> Done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SessionHandling#Restart
  <xnox> mpt: amazing =) pinged slangasek about it.
  <xnox> we are not sure fastboot machines are available on the market yet =)
  #ubuntu-design 2015-01-13
  <Guest34> johnlea_ping
  #ubuntu-design 2016-01-18
  <mpt> âLock the screenâ is a weird synecdoche
  