title: Are Symfony and CakePHP too slow to be usable?
body: <p>Until now, I have always said that CakePHP is too bloated and slow. I don't really know that, I just saw "some" benchmarks. What I really want to know, is that if those two frameworks (Symfony and CakePHP) are too slow to be usable in a way that the user will get frustrated. I already know that those frameworks are slower than other alternatives, but that's not the question.</p>
  
  <p>I ask the question because I want to create a project management web application and I still hesitate between a couple frameworks. I've had some trouble learning Zend, but imho I haven't tried hard enough.</p>
  
  <p>So in conclusion, in addition to the first question above, I would like to ask another question:</p>
  
  <p>If I want to create a project management tool (which is a pretty big project), which of the following should you suggest, considering the developement time, the speed of the resulting application, and the robustness of the final product:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li>Symfony</li>
  <li>CakePHP</li>
  <li>Zend Framework</li>
  </ul>
  
  <p>Also I should mention that I don't know any of those frameworks, and that I want to learn one of them (at least).</p>