title: get TELEGRAM GROUP ID (with my USER, without BOT)
body: <p>I dont know why this is so hard?</p>
  
  <p>What is the way to get GROUP ID (to get channel ID i use <strong>Plus+</strong> messenger, but it doesnt show the GROUP ID), where I am a regular member (not an admin),so i cant add bots there.</p>
  
  <p>p.s. If i forward message to external bots, they cant see the Group ID, instead they return the CHAT_ID (that ID is of a chat between me and that bot, thus useless for me).</p>