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I am not sure about the function of the second まで in the last sentence below:

> 美少女ゲームの創生期で、最も重要な作品と言えば・・・「プリンセスメーカー」、それと「同級生」と言えるでしょう! 究極、この2つだけでも現在までのゲーム
> **まで** 全部語れるといっても過言ではない。

I think the second まで marks an object for 語れる? In this case, 現在までのゲームまで全部語れる
should mean something like "serve as a model for modern games." In other
words, the overall structure of modern games hasn't changed much from the
past?


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grammar particle-まで
What is the role of まで in this sentence?


Yes, your understanding is correct. This sentence looks slightly clumsy to me,
but the two まで are used in different ways:

  * The first まで is a particle meaning "until". 現在までのゲーム is "games up to the present".
  * The second まで is "even", which is a [副助詞](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/100239/5010) that can replace が/を. So 現在までのゲーム is the direct object of 語れる. The author is saying you can explain/discuss all the past (bishōjo) games only by mentioning the two games.


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