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When revived by Orochimaru, the First and Second were sent to fight the Third,
however, we know today that:

> The First beat one of the most powerful ninjas in history (me), could heal
> himself without activating any special jutsu, could summon a freaking chakra
> sucking tree dragon.

Moreover!

> The Second had known (invented!!) Edo Tensei (meaning he could have broken
> free of Orochimaru's control), he also knew space-time ninjutsu.

With those abilities, plus immortality, they couldn't have _possibly_ lost
against the Third at their full power.

So in that case, why didn't they use their full power against the Third? Their
emotions should have been completely erased, and made into a strict killing
machine, and nothing more.


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Why didn't the First and Second Hokage's fight with full power against the Third?


I think they didn't fight at their full powers because Orochimaru controlled
them.

> Other than Kabuto, who lets the ninjas fight themselves (more or less).

Because he really controls them, they can't fight better than Orochimaru
allowed them to do.


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Revived or not, they're still not the real deal. The Third was not fighting
against the real Shodai and Nidaime. That would have been perhaps a completely
different fight.

Besides, the fact that Orochimaru's Edo Tensei might not have been that
perfect and powerful (perhaps less perfect than Kabuto's), makes me (and not
just me) think he used it for the sentimental effect it would have had on the
Third, i.e. fighting against your predecessors, rather than actual relying on
their (weakened) power only.


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In the later part of the manga, the Second Hokage (Nidaime) thanked Orochimaru
for making his jutsu **more perfect** because they were revived at their peak
powers.  
During the first time, Orochimaru's Edo Tensei was not perfect, due to which
Sarutobi was able to seal them inside the Shinigami's belly.


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I can think of two (2) theories about that:

  1. They could've kept some "free will" to avoid using full force against a friendly, even though they were being controlled into. Perhaps their strength was enough to counter Orochimaru's control somewhat (but not enough to properly "release" themselves from his control). You see that, when summoned, one of the first things they did was "ask for forgiveness" from Sarutobi, because they had to fight.

  2. It might be linked to the "sacrificial bodies" Orochimaru used to summon them: By law of conservation, the "package" cannot be forced to contain something that goes beyond their capacity, and thus limited the strength of First and Second. It was not a hard limit (the ninjas used were _far inferior_ ), but Orochimaru might be using THEIR full strength (but still be constraining First and Second's strength altogether).

Suspension of Disbelief aside, it might be the reason "why" they fought below
their grade. That, or Sarutobi could manage both of them at once, but that's
even more farfetched.


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<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muriFb2rmeU>

Infinite chakra needs to be put into context ... Like the first and second
Hokage had infinite chakra when they fought the third Hokage but still lost
and the reason for that was simple .

Having an infinite amount of chakra does not mean necessarily having an
ability to raise your chakra levels indefinitely as in going from a particular
energy capacity to raising it infinitely but like a battery which has a set
power capacity being able to recharge or maintain that set power or chakra
capacity to full indefinitely (my same argument on superman as he is dependent
on the suns power and since the suns output and life span including the amount
of suns that exist are limited therefore his power to become stronger and
stronger coincides with that limit like a rechargeable battery with a limited
recharger)

SO AN EDO-TENSEI CHAKRA DOES NOT GO ABOVE ITS NATURAL LEVEL FROM WHEN THE
PERSON WAS ALIVE (UNLESS CHAKRA CAPACITY WAS IMPROVED BY CASTER) BUT RATHER
REGENERATES THE SAME WAY A DAMAGE BODY DOES WHICH MEANS BECOMING A ZOMBIE
SIMPLY PUTS YOU INTO A CONSTANT STAGNANT STATE OF FIXED EXISTENCE SO IF YOU'RE
A LEVEL 9 THEN YOU CONSTANTLY REGENERATE AND RECUPERATE BACK TO LEVEL 9
REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR OPPONENT DOES TO YOU OR HOW MUCH CHAKRA YOU USE UP PER
JUTSU .

THE PROBLEM IS WHETHER MADARA WAS RESURRECTED AT FULL STRENGTH BECAUSE IT
SEEMED AS IF HE WAS AND IMPROVED TO BOOT AND EVEN IF HE WAS NOT , DOES HE HAVE
JUTSUS WHICH REQUIRE GREATER CHAKRA CAPACITY LEVELS THAN HIS EDO BODY AND IS
THAT REALLY BETTER THAN HAVING THE ABILITY TO RECHARGE HIS CHAKRA AND USE
KAMIKAZE MANEUVERS ?

From what I remember the first and second Hokage are only at 70% of their
power in ZOMBIE form currently. while I do suspect it may be a good trade off
for the second Hokage as his techniques seem to be based on talent for
execution rather than power level, the first is like Gaara and Kisame in that
their abilities become bigger and more powerful like a DBZ character by just
using higher amounts of chakra pumped into it although you would think they
can just add more and more chakra to an already executed jutsu as time goes on
but whatever .﻿


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It's actually because the author (Kishimoto) did not plan out the entire story
at that point. They used to describe the Third as the strongest Hokage, but
this all changed when we got to Shippuuden. Don't bother trying to explain it
within the Naruto universe - it's simply an inconsistency in the story, even
if Kishimoto writes in some details to patch this error up later on. It's not
a knock on the Naruto series though, as this show has been going on for over a
decade.


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Towards the end of the manga, when Orochimaru summons all four dead Hokage
with Edo Tensei after releasing their souls from the Death Reaper's stomach,
it is stated that the first time around, all those years ago, when Orochimaru
attacked the Hidden Leaf Village (Konohagakure) and failed, Orochimaru had
purposely summoned the first and second Hokage without their full power,
knowing full well that if he did so, he would not be able to control them.


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