

Don't take me for a fool, I know the situation, but I've been watching the
fight between Itachi and Sasuke, where he said something like this from the
old times: "Come after me, when you will obtain the same eyes as mine, being
the third to hold a MS."

He already had the Mangekyo Sharingan, so we can safely assume that he knew
the story about his "elders", hence knowing not just about Madara, but Izuna
and of course Shisui too. Obviously, he didn't know about Obito/Kakashi, but
is this a plot hole, or did Itachi really not know that along with Madara and
himself, two others already possessed that kind of Sharingan, making his
statement false, since Sasuke would've been at least the fifth person?

(I've written Shisui for purpose in the title, but we don't just have to talk
about him.)


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Did Itachi know that Shisui had a Mangekyo Sharingan?


It is not a plot hole. And he isn't necessarily wrong. He just meant the third
person _alive_. Of course he knew about Shisui, he had his eye. Of course he
knew about Izuna and Madara too since he introduced their story to Sasuke. And
he probably knew about other unnamed Uchihas too, if there were any, because
as he said the Uchihas were killing their best friends for decades to achieve
it. So I can't find any other logical explanation.


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I believe I understood your question a bit. I will try to elaborate on that.

If you check out the episode of the Nine Tails attacking the Leaf Village, you
must have noticed different age groups of various characters. Kakashi, Gai,
and Asuma were depicted as teenagers. There is even a clip where Itachi was
holding the infant Sasuke on his lap, assuring him that he would always
protect him. Itachi was around 10-11 years old. By this, I can conclude that
**Kakashi was an elder to Itachi**.

In your question you stated that:-"Obviously, he[Itachi] didn't know about
Obito/Kakashi",I would like to highlight something which could contradict with
your statement. Itachi **did know** about Kakashi as he was a prodigy in his
age. Getting Sharingan after Obito's death made him **a source of
attraction**. **By then, Obito was out of the picture completely [since
everyone assumed him to be dead]**. At the beginning of the Shippuuden
episodes, Itachi called Kakashi, " **Copy Ninja** ", while he fought against
him. Now, coming to your question, Itachi couldn't figure out the man behind
Tobi's mask. **Because of his boastful nature and strong power** , Obito made
Itachi believe that he was Madara. Obito's calling himself Madara depicts his
deceptional and boastful behavior.

With this, I can say that there is no plot hole anywhere.

EDIT

As [**debal**](https://anime.stackexchange.com/users/2077/debal) said, both
Kakashi and Itachi were in ANBU group.By this we can conclude that both knew
each other.

**EDIT II**

To make it clearer we can list all current know Mangenkyo users and how they
have or might have obtained it.

Itachi - It is thought he killed Shisui but did not. Very likely he witnessed
Shisui's death. I can think of one scenario but it's just a speculation.

> When Itachi saw Shisui for the last time, he had MS activated. I think
> Shisui used Kotoamatsukami on Itachi and made Itachi to kill Shisui. Itachi
> can't remember it, 'cause Shisui used Kotoamatsukami, so the victim isn't
> aware that they're being controlled. That way Itachi got his MS and Shisui
> wanted him to protect Konoha.

Shisui - Unknown. But seems unlikely he murdered anyone as he showed a great
deal of self sacrifice do kill himself rather than have his eyes fall into the
wrong hands.

Sasuke - Did kill Itachi and he witnessed his death.

Kakashi - Got his MS after killing Rin;although he came to know about his
Mangekyou at later stages

Obito - Saw Kakashi killing Rin;which triggered his MS


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I myself think that the third person could have been **Madara**. Now Itachi
had met Madara once or twice and Itachi was very wise. He paid attention to
the things the others rarely did, said by the third Hokage when he was revived
by Orochimaru. Also, he knew that Madara was the first one to awaken the
Mangekyo Sharingan Izuna. He told that to Sasuke in Naruto Shippuden episode
136 or 137.

Note: now we know that masked man was Obito and the real Madara was dead but
_Itachi_ _didn't at that time_. Wise as Itachi was as a planner, **Madara**
was better than him and Madara told Obito that he has to live with the alias
'Madara Uchiha'. As for the people who are saying he knew about Kakashi having
the Mangekyo, Kakashi rarely showed his Sharingan. Itachi and Kakashi were
also not that close to each other. If I remember correctly, he said you will
be the third one alive to have it. Shisui and Izuna were dead and he didn't
know about Kakashi's so it would have been Madara.


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This is false. What Itachi says because in The Itachi Story Arc we learn that
Fugaku Uchiha, his father, possesses the mangekyou sharing and shows Itachi.
Also Itachi tells Sasuke the story of the Izanami when he is reanimated and
mentions the existence of many other Uchihas who possessed the mangekyou.
Therefore, it must be a plot hole.


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