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Adding onto this question, right after Madoka recreated the entire universe to
accommodate with the Law of Cycles, why was everybody placed back in time
right after the event where Sayaka gets killed in battle? Why were they placed
specifically there in time? Also, do all magical girls join the Law of Cycles
after they die? If they do, then what is the point? Madoka's wish was to erase
all witches with her own hands, so anybody else in the Law of Cycles wouldn't
have a job to carry out since Madoka would be doing it all herself.


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How was Sayaka able to join Madoka in the Law of Cycles after her death?


> Right after Madoka recreated the entire universe to accommodate with the Law
> of Cycles, why was everybody placed back in time right after the event where
> Sayaka gets killed in battle? Why were they placed specifically there in
> time?

I don't think it's quite accurate to view everybody as having been placed back
where Sayaka gets killed in battle. In this rewritten universe where the Law
of Cycles exists, the entirety of history plays out differently, probably
diverging whenever the very first magical girl's Soul Gem turns dark. Every
scene involving witches or Madoka personally probably plays out differently;
it just so happens that we only get to see one particular scene from this new
history of the world - the scene where Sayaka dies. Why? Well, it's an
important scene, particularly given how that same scene was something of a
bloodbath in episode 10's timeline 3. And plus, it helps us understand how the
new universe works.

I find it more likely that everybody was "placed" back at the same instant
that Madoka made her wish in the main timeline. (I don't have any strong
evidence for this; it just seems to be the most parsimonious option.)

* * *

> Also, do all magical girls join the Law of Cycles after they die?

I'm guessing you haven't seen Rebellion.

> Rebellion strongly suggests that the answer is yes, based on Sayaka's
> comments at the beginning of the final segment (shortly after Homura turns
> witch). Magical girls do indeed become part of the Law of Cycles when
> they're touched by Madoka when their Soul Gems go dark.

* * *

> If they do, then what is the point? Madoka's wish was to erase all witches
> with her own hands, so anybody else in the Law of Cycles wouldn't have a job
> to carry out since Madoka would be doing it all herself.

Again, I'm guessing you haven't seen Rebellion, since in Rebellion, we learn
that:

> At minimum, Sayaka and Charlotte/Nagisa both sort of exist in the same
> metaphysical space as Madoka. Sayaka herself notes that the two of them are
> sort of like "secretaries" to Madoka. They both play a key role in Madoka's
> scheme to extract Homura from the Incubators' barrier; it seems unlikely
> that Madoka would have been able to effect her scheme without their (or at
> least _somebody's_ ) assistance.


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First, note that at the end of the last episode, magical girls are said to
fight wraiths (instead of witches), and Kyubey is still around (albeit with no
confirmed knowledge of the alternative universe Homura is aware of). So the
main things that have changed are:

  1. What the magical girls fight. (Homura even states that humanity still faces certain "monsters", which just happen to not be witches.)

  2. What happens after their soul gems become too "polluted". (In the new universe, Kyouko laments that Sayaka used up a little too much energy in their fight against some wraiths, and thus was absorbed into the Law of Cycles, just as they were getting closer.)

So magical girls are around, and it's simply that they don't become witches.
There are thus no witches in this continuity.

After Madoka's actions, we see history rewritten entirely: in the beginning of
the episode, we thus see her interact with the various magical girls who have
come up through-out history, showing up to take them (which contrasts with the
earlier scenario, where they were shown as girls who would later become
witches). This also strongly suggests that yes, all magical girls join the Law
of Cycles in this continuity.

As [senshin](https://anime.stackexchange.com/users/1908/senshin) notes,
showing Homura in the "new" universe at the specific point where Sayaka dies
serves as a good contrast with Sayaka's original fate. From Homura's
possession of Madoka's ribbons at that point, it seems possible that _Homura_
is placed back at that specific point in time in the new universe, but this is
only in the sense that it's possible her consciousness was transferred to that
point (unless, like with the numerous other universes Homura has experienced,
she "arrived" when she was still in the hospital or at some other point, and
it's just that she keeps the ribbons on her person). However, no one else
knows who Madoka is, so we must conclude that Mami and Kyouko are merely part
of the rewritten universe -- they aren't really "placed" into it.


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Here's an answer to my own question that I thought up.

Since Madoka recreated the entire universe, it was probably her own decision
to place them back in that moment of time. She wanted them all to still be
together as friends and to help each other fight the wraiths, so she recreated
the new world in that way to let their friendships still last and not have
absolutely EVERYTHING be rewritten. It was placed right after Sayaka's death
since Sayaka wanted to join Madoka in the Law of Cycles, so she joined Madoka
after her death.


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