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There are clear ideological differences between Tobi and Pain, who are both
the leaders of the Akatsuki, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how
their plans in achieving peace differ. In Tobi's plan, an Infinite Tsukuyomi
will be reflected off the moon and everyone will be trapped in a world of
dreams. In Pain's plan, the chakra of the Tailed Beasts will be turned into an
ultimate weapon, the activation of which will create so much pain and terror,
that people will naturally go to peace for a time, until the weapon needs to
be activated again to restart the cycle. Both plans require the use of the
Gedo Statue and the combined chakra of the Tailed Beasts.

What best explains these differences? Did Tobi merely keep Project Tsuki no Me
secret from Pain? Was Pain planning on betraying Tobi in the end, and going
with his own plan? Or is there another scenario to explain this?

Specific references (like direct quotes) from the manga or anime for backing
up your answer are appreciated, but the answer should be grounded in events
and details at the very least, so that it isn't merely speculation (details on
the Fandom wiki are usually reliable). What's necessary kind of depends on
what the answer is.


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Why is Pain's plan for achieving peace different from Tobi's?


(I used the names Tobi and Pain to avoid spoilers in the question, but herein
I will use the character's actual identities, as it is necessary to avoid
confusion. So, spoiler warning.)

Reviewing episodes 346-348 ( _World of Dreams_ , _Creeping Shadow_ , _The New
Akatsuki_ ), which tell the backstory of both Obito Uchiha and Nagato, I found
no indication that Obito told Nagato about the plan to use Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Obito, posing as Madara, speaks to Nagato several times and they argue; These
episodes make their ideological differences clearer than anywhere else.
Nagato, trusting in his friend Yahiko's ideals, says that the world can be
saved by sharing pain. Obito argues that it's all futile, and that though they
try to understand others pain, others do not try to understand theirs, and
that peace is impossible in this world. Obito does allude to Nagato that with
the Rinnegan, Nagato can actualize or create a world free of pain, but goes
into no specifics. And when Nagato finally turns to his side, he seems to let
Nagato form his own conclusions on how to do this, as Nagato basically forms
his cycle of pain plan for world peace (at the end of _The New Akatsuki_ ).

It's difficult to say for certain Nagato didn't know the Tsuki no Me plan, and
I can't go through all of the episodes to make sure, but I'm going to go off
of the assumption he didn't, because that's what I'm seeing here. My
conclusion here is that Obito saw no reason to get Nagato on board with Tsuki
no Me, so long as he was able to align their interests in collecting the
Tailed Beasts. It's likely he realized Nagato wouldn't be able to completely
shake off the influence of Yahiko's idealism, and so merely sought to corrupt
the whole idea of sharing pain. Considering awakening the Rinne Sharingan was
necessary to achieve Infinite Tsukuyomi, and it seems unlikely Obito would
have trusted Nagato to become the Ten-Tails Jinchuriki (he didn't trust Madara
to do it, since he decided not to revive him), it is very likely he always
planned on betraying Nagato. Thus, it makes sense to limit Nagato's knowledge
of the plan. It's unclear how much Nagato discerned on his own and how much he
trusted Obito, but it's likely he and Konan were suspicious (I think there are
indications of this in the series, but I haven't had a chance to look back at
them, but for instance, Konan was very much aware Obito would come after
Nagato's Rinnegan after he died).

Another aspect to consider is that Obito's plan would have been very
unappealing to the rest of the Akatsuki (referring to the rogue ninja Deidara,
Hidan, etc., not Yahiko's original members, who Obito straight-up killed, but
who probably also would have disliked the plan). I don't recall if the other
Akatsuki even know what the true goal of the organization was, so I checked
the [wiki](https://ninja-encyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Akatsuki) to jog my
memory:

> Although some members joined Akatsuki to further their own goals, all are
> united in Akatsuki's ultimate goal of gaining world domination. Their leader
> has mentioned a three-step process to work their way towards this goal.
> First, they plan to obtain a large amount of money to support their
> organization. Second, they plan to set up a mercenary group loyal only to
> Akatsuki. To build their reputation, they plan to accept any mission below
> the usual cost and operate off of the excess funds earned in the first part
> of their plan. Because there haven't been any wars in some time, the
> established shinobi villages couldn't afford to charge such low prices,
> leading the smaller countries to hire Akatsuki over the more expensive
> shinobi villages. By using the tailed beasts, Akatsuki would start wars and
> then immediately quell them, solidifying their reputation and convincing
> every country to depend on them, thus cornering the market in shinobi labor.
> Without any business, the other shinobi villages would collapse due to the
> lack of funds. Finally, after Akatsuki is the only major force of shinobi in
> existence, they can easily conquer the other countries. Members do not
> automatically learn of the plan upon joining; Hidan didn't find out about it
> until he had been a member for quite some time.

The plan told to the other members is far closer to Nagato's plan than
Obito's. If they told the other members they were going to trap everyone in a
genjutsu, including all of them, chances are good they wouldn't go along with
it (people generally dislike being told they'll be trapped in a dream
forever). But even Nagato's true plan might be appealing for many of the
Akatsuki members, since, as the ones with the super weapon, it would put them
at the top (they all already agreed to world domination). Thus, it makes a lot
of sense that Nagato (as Pain) is the acting leader of the organization, while
Obito (as Madara and Tobi) is the shadow leader, with his secret plans.

To review, the plans probably differ because Obito never told Nagato the
actual plan. Obito likely did not trust Nagato with that information, and only
sought to use him as a pawn to his ends. Thus, he allowed Nagato to come up
with his own answer and never corrected him; so long as their interests were
aligned, he didn't care.


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