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So, Kisame first met Obito (Tobi) when he introduced himself as the guy who
controlls the Mizukage. Then, he tells Kisame about his Eye of the Moon Plan
(Tsuki no Me) and recruits him to Akatsuki. So that's like 4 people who knew
the true identity of Tobi as 'Madara' (later Obito, but they didn't know
that): Konan, Nagato, Itachi, Kisame.

But if Kisame also knew him as the leader of Akatsuki, then why was he
surprised when Tobi showed his face to him the second time, after Itachi died?
I thought he already knew that Tobi mas Madara since he was the one who
recruited him. It made sense for him to continue with Akatsuki after Nagato
died, since Kisame didn't really care about who the leader was, as long as
Kisame got the job done, but the only thing that bothers me is: why was he
surprised when Tobi showed his face to Kisame the _second time_? He should've
already known it was Madara/Obito. Is this a plot hole?


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Why was Kisame surprised when he saw Obito (Tobi/fake Madara) without the mask the second time they've met in person?


I dont believe this is a plothole, because **_the first time Kisame met the
"Madara", it was actually Obito disguised as Madara Uchiha_** , Although we
never got to see the actual person that Kisame was talking to, based of the
way the persons hair from the Shadow was, it looked exactly like Madara
Uchihas hair, and we all know that Obito's hair looks very different and isn't
spiky long. (I would guess that Obito probably used substitution Jutsu in
order to resemble the real Madara.)

However, the second time, he saw Obitos real face and that probably caught him
by surprise since he was not expecting those scars.


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In **Chapter 507** , the first time Kisame met Obito, he called himself Uchiha
Madara and from what we can see, _he was not wearing any mask_ and unlike the
real Obito, he has long, spiky hair like Madara. From this, it might be said
that Obito was disguised as Madara when he revealed himself to Kisame.
However, remember that during this time, Obito was already calling himself
'Madara'. With long hair like those, with those eyes and the fact that few
people has ever seen Madara's face, he could easily pass as one even with the
scars on his face.

> [![enter image description
> here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/ztkpD.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/ztkpD.jpg)

In **Chapter 404** , after Itachi's death and when Obito finally removed the
mask to reveal himself to Kisame, Kisame was surprised. Why? Because the
'Madara' that Kisame knew _was not wearing any mask nor did he call himself
'Tobi'_. When Tobi 'joined' the Akatsuki, he did not announce himself as
'Madara' but as Tobi, who Kisame was fond of. After Tobi presumably died,
Kisame remarked that he was sorry to hear his death, especially since he
(Tobi) lightens up the mood of the organization.

> [![enter image description
> here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/LeCU4.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/LeCU4.jpg)

To conclude, we can say that the first time they met, Obito did reveal himself
to Kisame (scars in the face and all) but under the name 'Madara'. The second
time they met, it was as 'Tobi' and with a mask so Kisame did not know who was
the man underneath the mask. When Tobi revealed himself, **Kisame was
surprised because he did not expect that it was 'Madara'**. **'Madara' did not
tell him that he would be disguised as Tobi while in the Akatsuki** , hence
the surprise. It could not have been that he was surprised of the scars
**because he immediately recognized him and he made no comment on them either
so we can assume he's already seen his scarred face before**.


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It might have something to do with the masks. Obito used two types of masks in
the series, repeatedly switching between the two. When he first meets nagato,
konan and yahiko, he wears his "Tobi" mask. Later when he infiltrates the
village, and also when he helps itachi in annihilating the uchiha, he wears
the "Madara" mask. When he meets kisame for the first time, he's either
wearing the Madara mask (in which case he revealed his face later) or no mask.
His hair at that time was also different from when he encountered kisame in
the akatsuki. He also may have used zetsu's or pain's abilities somehow to
remain mysterious. Even when he earlier met kisame, Obito didn't mention
akatsuki or implied any connection to it. Thus, kisame had no idea that Tobi
was Obito or as he knew him, Madara. And so he was surprised to see him.


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