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In the previous episode God of Destruction Toppo absolutely destroyed Golden
Frieza _(who is supposed to be as powerful as Super Saiyan Blue)_ and Android
17. His Hakai was also much more powerful compared to the Sidra's Hakai. Goku
even with SSB Kaioken struggled against Sidra's Hakai ball whereas Frieza
could easily control it. So Golden Frieza just before the Tournament of Power
can be considered as strong as SSB Goku.

Also Vegeta's new found power is not as strong as UI Goku because UI Goku
could go toe-to-toe and even gain up on Jiren. So if Vegeta's new found power
is considered close to or slightly greater than SSB Kaioken then how did
Vegeta manage to defeat Toppo in the very next episode so easily?


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How could Vegeta defeat Hakaishin Toppo so easily?


There are a few inaccuracies in your question.

  * Firstly, Goku was in his base form when Freiza hit him with the Hakai energy and he didn't turn SSJB or Kaioken. In episode 125, we see the Destruction energy capable of destroying all forms of energy, so it is very likely Goku couldn't turn SSJB while he was stuck inside the energy ball. Freiza, on the other hand, was in his golden form and strong enough to break out of it.
  * Based on the fight after, we see SSJB Goku per tournament was on the same level as Golden Freiza. It has to be noted that Goku in his SSJB from grew substantially stronger because of multiple Zenkai boosts.
  * UI Goku was fighting against a very suppressed Jiren. UI Goku against Kefla was a lot stronger and she was strong enough to take blows from him(Which remarked by Whis weren't powerful as Goku hadn't mastered the attack portion of UI yet). Current Jiren is using a lot more power than he did then.

Vegeta's new form before his fight with Toppo, was relative in power to
SSJB+Kaioken*20 Goku(The stronger SSJB Goku), hence making him a lot stronger
than Golden Freiza. Freiza in his golden form is even weaker than characters
like Anilaza and Kefla in terms of strength. Toppo in his God of destruction
form, was stronger than Kefla who was at that time the third strongest(With 1
being Jiren and 2 being Goku). This is why we see Vegeta overwhelmed by Toppo
during the initial stage of his fight. When Vegeta powered up after, he
reached a level of strength a lot stronger than Kefla and Toppo but weaker
than UI Goku and hence was able to knock out Toppo.

During the fight between Universe 7 vs Anilaza(We see 3 SSJB tier characters
(And let us assume Gohan and Android 17 are even SSJB tier which they
definitely aren't), so 5 SSJB characters being able to hold their own in a
beam struggle with Anilaza. Kaioken * 20 SSJB Goku is the same power
multiplied 20 times and UI Goku is immensely stronger compared to Kaioken
Goku. Vegeta's form is relative to this(initially) and he was a lot stronger
than Freiza when he first fought Toppo which is why he wasn't completely Toyed
around with.


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Sidra seems to be one of the weakest gods of destruction. His kai mentions
that it might be not so easy for him to destroy Freezer. Freezer also could
handle Sidra's hakai energy ball, and he couldnt with Toppo's hakai. I agree
with you that Freezer is in the level of Goku in super saiyan blue because
that is mentioned in the series. And I agree that Goku super saiyan blue
kaioken and Vegeta ultra super saiyan blue might be in a similar level (though
we dont know which kaioken Goku was using, ie, x5, x10, x20, etc.) 17 is close
to a super saiyan blue, so for Toppo to overpower Freezer and 17 he has to be
more powerful than 2 super saiyan blue. But between the power of 2 super
saiyan blue, and the power of 20 super saiyan blue (which might be the power
of ultra super saiyan blue Vegeta, since he's similar to Goku who might have
been using super saiyan blue kaioken x20) there is a lot of room. So for
example, Toppo could have the power of 10 super saiyan blue, and Vegeta still
being superior to him having the power of 20 super saiyan blue.

Also, I dont agree Vegeta defeated Toppo easily. He was depleted of energy and
some of his attacks failed awfully. Toppo and Vegeta seems to be close in
power, personally I think Toppo is close to the power of 20 super saiyan blue
since he's close to Vegeta and he's close to Goku who probably was using the
super saiyan blue kaioken x20.


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