

In what is presumably the "good ending" of the Unlimited Blade Works route,
Saber stays after the Grail is destroyed, because Rin has turned her into a
familiar. (I also got the sense that Shiro was supposed to aid Rin in
supplying prana to Saber by having sex with her.)

However, everything up to the end is identical to the path taken in the true
ending, _except_ for the fact that Shiro spends more time bonding with Saber
(and less with Rin) in the path to this ending. If so, why does Saber remain
in one ending and not the other, given that:

  * Everything Rin did up to the end should have been identical in either outcome in UBW

  * Saber should have disappeared (as stated before the final battle) with the destruction of the Grail. However, whether or not this statement about Saber is _entirely_ correct may be slightly debatable, per content from the rest of the _Fate_ series.

> In the true end of Heaven's Feel, Rider remains after the destruction of the
> Greater Grail, because Sakura still has a lot of prana on account of her
> being a copy of the Holy Grail vessel. In _Fate/Zero_ , we see Gilgamesh
> pull Kotomine out of the rubble, and in the Fate route, we learn that he has
> stayed around for the last ten years, partly by obtaining energy from the
> orphans of the fire.

Did Rin just pull more strings to try to keep Saber, or did Saber have more
reason to try to stay because of her connection to Shiro?


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What caused the difference between the good and true endings of Unlimited Blade Works?


The reason Saber stays in the good ending but not the true ending is
specifically because of the love between Shiro and Arturia. Under Shiro's
command, she has a strong reason to destroy the grail and also to claim the
grail. While she may want to stay with Shiro, which not using up the command
seals would allow, her desire for the grail and her desire to stay with Shiro
would both strongly prevent her from destroying the grail, thus resulting in
Shiro's use of the last command seal, releasing the summoning that maintains
Saber. However in Unlimited Blade Works Saber is released from Shiro at one
point and makes a pact with Rin.

Then, following the path with Rin as her master and still focusing on her
allows Saber to fall in love and have no opposing desires in relation to the
Holy Grail. Falling in love with Shiro and becoming dedicated to its
destruction for multiple good reasons throughout the UBW route means she's
free to destroy it herself without any compelling action of any kind. No
command seal needs to be used, so her summoning isn't canceled when its
destroyed.

This is based on logical thought on my part though: I've watched UBW and FSN,
but they say the FSN anime is butchered and the UBW anime follows the
conclusion to the true path. I've not seen the good ending for Unlimited Blade
Works, I recently started through the Fate portion of _Fate/Stay Night_ and am
working towards UBW, where I'll likely find the good ending before Heavens
Feel.


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In the visual novel nothing is told. The anime clarifies quite a bit:

True ending: Rin stares as saber disappears (no running from Rin). After a
while Saber starts her speech: Basically congratulations, I would have really
liked to stay but Shiro has you (it is sooo clear she can be easily convinced,
but Rin didn't do anything). In this ending it is also clear Rin is head over
heels for Shirou and realises he doesn't care that much for saber.

Good ending: Rin runs like berserker to save saber (it's just a few meters
though). Now the big question, Why did Rin saver her? There are 2
possibilities:

A) She doesn't love Shiro that much since she didn't receive enough points. I
would find it hard to believe though because of how much she insists
afterwards he's hers and that saber and her will teach him magic and martial
arts on a daily basis. Also, why get so angry then when she considers they're
flirting? And why would Rin also say: You want her to stay, so it's alright
(this is said in the VN). Another reason I don't think it's likely is because
in the whole VN Rin always gives Shirou what he wants: Fate (she helps
bringing saber and Shirou together); UBW (if you just want Rin, you get just
Rin. If you're also interested in saber Rin runs to save her); HF (she wants
him to be with Sakura and be happy). You could argue it is because Rin doesn't
love him a lot, but 90% of the time she's risking her life because of him (and
dies a few times due to that in the bad endings). Sakura can't do that even if
she wants to and saber does it out of her contract (at least during the first
part of each route). I've always imagined Rin as Shirou's guardian angel, and
the only reason they turn into a couple in UBW is because he realises that
even before the war started she saved him by consuming her most powerful
weapon.

B) She knows in this ending Shirou would almost die of sorrow if saber goes
(not so much as the fate route but not that far away either). Well, this is
what I believe happens. The reason why Rin keeps insisting saber is her
familiar and hers would therefore be because:

  * She doesn't want them to get romantically attached (in the VN she tells them not to flirt), she just wants saber to watch over him (so he doesn't become archer) and support him and make him happy.

  * Imagine Rin gives saber back. Well, this would be a threesome whether they want it or not. Rin not having a link with saber = having sex with her, the same goes for Shirou. Now, with the link Shirou and Rin can become a couple and mana be supplied constantly without sex. 


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As someone who completely finished the Visual Novel (including the secret
scene for viewing all the tiger dojos) I believe I am well qualified to say
this: The difference is not clear. It could be said that Rin loved Shirou so
much that she chose to keep Saber (at the cost of 80% of her reserves) it
could also be said that she kept Saber for the prestige of having a Pseudo-
Divine spirit as a familiar. It could even be said that it was to give Saber a
second chance at life. In the end it's up to the viewer to decide.


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Kyle mohr, I read everything as well (Fate VN, fate hollow and anime =P)

As I said at the beginning of my last post, the VN clarifies very little. Even
so there's some evidence to defend my point of view (which I stated in my
previous post). Something I didn't mention before but is quite relevant is
that Rin either subsconciously or conciously chooses Archer (Shirou) over
Saber. She asks Archer to remain in this world and cries when he doesn't
accept. This happens in both the good and true ending (right before the good
ending would come archer's scene). I think that if Archer had accepted Rin's
proposal, both the true and happy endings would be the same (Rin - Shirou -
Shirou). I do believe in the good ending, Rin runs to save Saber because of
how much Shirou cares for her (at least 4 points given to her). Even so by
asking Archer to stay afterwards Saber would have left this world had Archer
accepted. (There's not enough mana for both of them and Rin knows it. She also
knows Saber isn't selfish to stay that way. By asking Archer she's in a way
betraying Saber, that's why she thinks "I know I shouldn't ask", even though
she asks, and Archer says "I do not know if you will keep your contract with
Saber, but I am not qualified for that.")

Then again, I guess if you really push it, it could also be said she does it
for selfish reasons. (You mentioned "It could also be said that she kept Saber
for the prestige of having a Pseudo-Divine spirit as a familiar.") Well, that
is a possibility: maybe she wants a powerful servant and she just happens to
find Archer more adequate to her needs. She may also want a harem and 2
Shirous are better than one so she's saying to Saber: I really wanted to give
you a second chance in life but since I'd have to monitor your every move
(cause you're into Shirou...) I'd much rather give that second chance to
Archer and have 2 boys head over heels for me.

The only clear thing is that Rin prioritizes Shirou and Archer. (Even after
his betrayal, which almost kills her at some point, her mind is 100% set in
making Archer live with her no matter how many VN points she is assigned from
Shirou. This shows how much she cares for Shirou. After all she does say at
some point in the VN: "it doesn't matter if he betrayed me, Archer is
Shirou.")


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It was to make him happy. Just watch this video (minutes 9-16) in which future
Rin talks to present Rin in fate hollow ataraxia. At some point future Rin
says: Rather than becoming happy together, I will, with no questions asked,
and more than anyone else, give him happiness.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9thish4tmk4> In the good ending Shirou's
happiness depends a lot on saber staying, that's why Rin does all she can to
make her stay.

What word does define Rin?: Tsundere that hides her feelings and pretends to
act out of selfishness. I will translate her tsundere words:

Shirou asks Rin: Why did you keep her? Rin asnwers: Because she is the most
powerful servant. Translation: "I did it for you" (because otherwise it
doesn't make sense that in the true ending she doesn't keep saber or how much
she implores archer to stay as her servant when there's not enough prana for 2
servants).

Rin says: ""Saber is mine and so are you" Translation: You are MINE and I'd
suffer a thousand deaths before giving you saber back so that you can fuck her
every day (Because that's how bad Shirou is as a mage. Unlike Rin, Shirou
supplies magical energy by fucking. A link is never created, it is just
endless fucking).

Rin says: "I'll need you to help me supply saber. I won't be as bad as saber
but I'll still be an inconvenience"; "I'll supply saber with magical energy
and you will give me a boost" Translation: Keep your hands off Saber, you
horny dog! Eh? You can't hold it? Hmph, i-it can't be helped. I will l-let you
do me, OK? It's not like I want to f-fuck or anything, baka! I just need mana
for Saber!

Luckily future Rin leaves the tsun part and becomes a love-struck caring wife
that doesn't conceal her feelings.


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True End: Saber drew her conclusion from watching Shirou's conflict with
Archer and gives up the Holy Grail. Although its not the "perfect" end like
Fate, she still managed to find her answer. She knows that Rin will make
Shirou happy and keep him hinged to reality, so she peacefully sever her
contract with Rin and disappear (as all 3 Command Seals at that point are
used)

Good End: Due to the increased affection between Saber and Shirou, she decided
she wanted to watch over him and Rin. Rin decide not to cut the contract,
partially because she wanted Shirou to be happy, partially because she wanted
Saber to be happy (from Fate route Boy meets Girl meets Girl, Rin is a
confirmed bisexual and is attracted to Saber).

So Good End is Rin's harem essentially


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The difference lies in the way Shirou distributes his affection points.  
In the good ending Shirou gives Saber a certain number of them whereas in the
true ending Shirou only wants Rin and doesn't pay attention to Saber.

I believe the best way to understand why Rin only brings her in the good
ending is to know what she does in every route. My conclusion is that it was
done for Shirou's sake. If we start with the routes in which Shirou loves
Saber we have

  * Fate route: At the beginning Rin doesn't want Shirou and Saber to be together. When Saber ran out of magi and was about to die Rin told Shirou she'll disappear as he can't give her mana. She was deliberately letting her die. After a while Shirou is taken by Illya. Rin goes to save him. There are a few times where Rin tells Shirou to abandon Saber as she's too weak to go on, but he doesn't, he carries her. It isn't until they are all about to die that Rin says Mmm even if you're inexperienced and can't transfer mana through the master-servant pact you can sex her as your semen contains lots of magic.

Once he falls in love with Saber, Rin helps him get her. Rin helps Shirou plan
Saber and Shirou's date. At the end Rin wasn't there to save Saber because she
was at the Emiya house close to dying because of heavy injuries. Fortunately
in the "last episode" we get Saber and Shirou's true happy ending.

  * Unlimited Blade Works Good Ending: Shirou gives Saber affection points and Rin brings her. They all live happily. Rin supplies mana through the master-servant link as she's an experienced magician. Shirou has to sex them as it is the only way he can supply magic.

  * Fate Hollow Ataraxia: 6 months after some route Rin revives Saber and gives her to Shirou as he needs her. Shirou was so happy his eyes are watery and he can barely see. Because of different reasons there's no need to give her mana so this time Rin makes Shirou Saber's master as she's not needed to give her mana. By the end of the game he's still Saber's master. 

The routes in which Shirou doesn't love Saber

  * Unlimited Blade Works true ending: Shirou deliberatey focuses on Rin and doesn't pay attention to Saber. Rin doesn't bring her home.

  * Heaven's Feel: Shirou wants Sakura. Saber becomes an obstacle. Rin supports Shirou against Saber/Dark Sakura in order to save Sakura, which leads to Saber dying and Shirou getting Sakura. 

So, by comparing what Rin does in every route regarding Saber I've come to the
conclusion Rin only saves/resurrects... Saber when Shirou needs her and most
times Rin won't even be with them. The closest Rin gets to Saber is UBW good
ending where all 3 are living happily because Shirou loves Rin but at the same
time he needs Saber. The reason she becomes Saber's master in UBW is to save
Shirou who was seconds from dying and at the end of the good ending she's the
only one that can give her mana through a link and has enough mana to sustain
her properly (though boosts are still needed).

The rest of the times Rin either hands Saber to Shirou even though she can
have her (Ataraxia) or simply doesn't try to get her for her own gain.


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