

In the Super Dragon Ball Heroes manga #2 we see

> Golden Cooler defeats Goku SSJ Berserker who defeated Super Saiyan Blue
> Vegita (correct me if I'm wrong, this is what I got from the translation of
> the black and white manga)

How much strong is at least Golden Cooler then?

> Does defeating Goku puts him over Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 (since Goku
> manages that technique) or since Goku was possessed that shouldnt count? Any
> other logic or hint or source I'm missing?

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How much strong is at least Golden Cooler?


With reference to the second chapter of the Manga,

  * Firstly, Goku in his Berserker form didn't technically "Defeat" SSJB Vegeta. Vegeta didn't really go all out or actually attempt to fight Goku. Once Cumber took control of Goku, he immediately attacked Vegeta and then went after Mai.
  * When Fu sees Cooler, he makes a statement claiming that he was weaker than his brother and Frieza has evolved further. This triggers cooler and he ends up transforming to his Golden form and at the same time was also enraged when he began to fight Goku and overwhelm him. So it is fair to assume that he was fighting a lot more seriously.

We have seen Vegeta get triggered in a similar fashion multiple times and
raise his Ki even furthur when enraged and begins to overwhelm his oppoent.
Some examples would be the Final Flash against Perfect Cell, Jiren and even
against Toppo. Even in the anime, when Kale attains gets her Bereserker form,
she effortlessly walked through SSJB Goku's Kamehameha and grabbed him with
ease. Goku at this time wasn't really fighting seriously, just like Vegeta in
case of this chapter.  
Hence, I think it is unfair to conclude Golden Cooler is superior to SSJB
Vegeta. We also know that the Golden form has the stamina weakness which
Freiza took time to figure out, so in theory, Cooler would also require to
adapt to the transformation like Freiza did. Vegeta on the other hand has
mastered Super Saiyan Blue in the manga and even managed to break past the
limits of Super Saiyan Blue in the anime and ascended to a much higher form.
Hence, I think it is unfair to state Golden Cooler is stronger than Vegeta
just because of that one battle.

I don't understand your logic at to why Golden cooler would be stronger than
SSJB + KK*20 Goku on account of defeating Berserker Goku.  
I believe Kanba's evil power did power up Goku tremendously but not stronger
than Super Saiyan Blue Goku. The transformation just made Goku very aggressive
which is why he got the Upper Hand on Vegeta. Considering how Super Saiyan
Blue Goku was able to defeat Xeno Goku who is supposedly recognized as the
strongest Saiyan in the previous chapters of the Manga, I think it is fair to
state Super Saiyan Blue Goku is definitely superior to Berserker Goku and Even
Golden Cooler. Vegeta on the other hand is relative to Goku in strength and
hence also stronger than Cooler.


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