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In a TYPE-MOON Ace 7 - 10 year Anniversary interview, Nasu Kinoko, Takeuchi
Takashi, Urobuchi Gen were asked a number of questions. while i was looking up
for any interview about Alexander's name choice for another answer here i came
acorss
[this](http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Rider_%28Fate/Zero%29#cite_note-7) (may
have to expand Reference 8)

> **Q: Having the "black" one as the main character and the "white" one as the
> villain is a refreshing idea. Then, how about the red Saber (Saber Extra),
> who appeared in Fate/Extra?**  
>  
>  **Uro** : That character is completely disconnected from the other Sabers.
> Personally, she looked like a female Gilgamesh to me.  
>  **Nasu** : If I had written Fate/Zero, then Iskandar would have been a
> character like Red Saber. In my mind, I can only see Iskandar as a worthy
> opponent to Gilgamesh, but the Iskandar Urobuchi created was an excellent,
> wild, and unprecedented character that I could have never thought up. But I
> want to surpass him somehow, so maybe Red Saber was born out of my drive to
> create a different tyrant from Iskandar.

Just from the comments made by Nasu and Urobuchi i would suspect that when the
question talks about "black" and "white" they mean the alternate forms of
Saber-Arturia, Saber-Alter (black) and Saber-Lily (white) however i don't know
any Fate/ work which has Saber-Alter as the main character and Saber-Lily as
the villain.

Also i am aware of [Saber of
"Black"](http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Saber_of_Black) however because Nasu's
comment i believe is talking about [Saber-
Nero](http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Playable_Saber_%28Fate/Extra%29) given
her reputation rather than [Saber of
"Red"](http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Saber_of_Red) i'd assume he's not
talking about Fate/Apocrypha characters

I'm wondering who these "black" and "white" characters are and where they
appear in the roles mentioned in the question?

**Reference:** Left is Saber-Alter, the right is Saber-Lily

![](https://i.stack.imgur.com/FZlLH.jpg)
![](https://i.stack.imgur.com/PZuuh.png)


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Who are the "black" and "white" characters?


By taking the previous [question](http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/nasu-kinoko-
takeuchi-takashi-urobuchi-gen-special-forum.html) into account, the meaning is
pretty clear.

> **OK then, we'll change topics. Saber has a lot of alter egos like Saber
> Alter and Saber Lily. How do you see them, Urobuchi?**
>
> **Uro:** What I imagine is that for the Saber Lily storyline, in Fate/stay
> night, Saber was completely beaten by Caster, and so she became one of her
> Servants. Like, she thought "I'd be way better off with Caster than with
> Shirou." (Laughs)
>
> **Nasu:** I never thought of that. Interesting. So in other words, the white
> dress represents how both her body and soul have been tamed by Caster. So
> Lily is truly like a "lily" to Caster... you crazy bastard, you did it
> again...
>
> **Takeuchi:** Lily's design was inspired by the dress she wore when Saber
> was captured by Caster. Then, we just filled it with feminine qualities that
> Saber lacked and it became what it is now. So basically, I think Urobuchi
> really hit it close to the mark.
>
> **Uro:** Really?! Lily looked like a villain to me from the moment I saw
> her. Imagine her appearing from behind Caster, really working those heels!
> Just thinking of it gets me excited!
>
> **Takeuchi:** But in terms of villains, don't we already have Alter?
>
> **Uro:** No, she isn't a villain, she's a dark hero.
>
> **Nasu:** Alter is an idealist who clings to her own values even though
> she's been blackened. In that respect, she isn't a pure villain.
>
> **Uro:** For example, Alter's like how Hakaider was in Mechanical Violator
> Hakaider ([*8](http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/nasu-kinoko-takeuchi-takashi-
> urobuchi-gen-special-forum.html#f8)). And Lily is the enemy she would face.
> The wrinkles in the corners of her eyes are proof to that. She'd shine as a
> villain.

^ (This part is most pertinent in the hypothetical "Black vs. White" scenario
posed between Urobuchi and Nasu)

> **Nasu:** Then after defeating Lily in battle, Alter would jump on a
> motorbike in the last scene and ride off into the sunset. Then the narration
> would come in: "She is a modern knight, who lives in a world of darkness!"
> ([*9](http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/nasu-kinoko-takeuchi-takashi-urobuchi-
> gen-special-forum.html#f9))
>
> **Takeuchi:** Motorbikes aside, (laughs) I do think it'd be interesting to
> add meat to Lily's character in that manner.

It is indeed a you assumed, but the interviewer merely mentioned hypothetical
possibility of series where Saber Alter as the protagonist and Saber Lily as
the antagonist would be a refreshing story idea.


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