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In UBW episode 25 whenever the sun rises/sets Rin looks at it with a sad and
lost in thought expression. Why does that happen?


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UBW episode 25 true ending: Why is Rin sad whenever the sun sets/rises?


Because it reminds her of the last moments she had with Archer, from the
previous episode.

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The reason is because she remembers Archer. I'm gonna answer you referencing
the visual novel as it is much easier to me. Notice that this conversation
with Archer takes place in both endings, not just the true ending (visual
novel source). The first time we see Rin doing that is one month after the
Grail War.

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/8Jj7E.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/8Jj7E.jpg)

As you can see Rin is lost in thought. Then he says:

"Track team? No, I was always in the archery club." "…I see. Well, I guess
there are times like that. Seeing the setting sun just reminded me." Telling
me to forget about it, Tohsaka continues to drink the orange juice.

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/FbVJq.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/FbVJq.jpg)

That is the scene Rin was looking at. As you can see the sun is setting. Just
after this CG Shirou thinks about archer:

"I recall that red figure one more time. Neither this classroom nor that fight
will change. Everything is the same. Everything is an illusion like a mirage
that disappears when one turns around."

And the next CG is:[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/8FWmW.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/8FWmW.jpg)

As you can see there is a setting sun. In UBW Rin has been seeing this scene
in her dreams many times. Just like Shirou and Saber were connected in the
fate route through dreams, Rin and Archer were connected in this route and she
kept dreaming about Archer and those swords in a rising or setting sun.

I am sure she's thinking of Archer because he's the ONLY character that has
made Rin cry. Rin never cries. She's always cold or even if she's not she just
takes action, no one breaks her enough to cry. Throughout the WHOLE game Rin
has only cried 3 times, all of them in UBW, she doesn't cry in the fate route
nor in Heaven's Feel.

The first time she cried was when having a dream about Archer. She woke up in
tears, brushed them off and tried to start the day normally. Notice that a
dent had already created. This time was just unconcious crying in a dream.

The next time she cried was when archer betrayed her to join caster. She told
him that he's hers and that she would recover him and he'd regret what he did
(as you can see these aren't exactly vengeful words. Seems more like she's
gonna scold him). Once Shirou tries to protect her he says some words to her
and she starts crying. Later she hugs Shirou. Notice that this time 2 people
made her cry: Betrayal by Archer and Shirou being there risking his life for
her.

The last time she cried was the longest time Rin has ever cried. It was her
farewell to Archer. Notice that this part will be the real answer to your
question.

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/oJihN.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/oJihN.jpg)

She begs him to form a contract with her: "Archer. Form a contract with me
again."

Archer says:

"I cannot do that. I do not know if you will keep your contract with Saber,
but I am not qualified for that. And I do not have a goal anymore. My battle
ends here." His reply is free of doubt and his will is strong. His face is as
bright as the rising sun, and how can she force him when he's making a face
like that?"

Notice that Rin even thought about forcing him but saw there was nothing she
could do. Notice the reference to the rising sun. Rin thinks: "His face is as
bright as the rising sun".

All the time Rin is crying. Rin just cries for Archer:

"Man. I do not have any attachment to this world, but…" It's troubling to have
her cry. For him, the girl always has to be a positive, indulgent realist. He
was always encouraged by her figure. So he wants her to stay that way until
the very end"

Notice that Rin changes for Archer/Shirou as Archer thinks. She's always
realistic, never crying amd always taking action.

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/qqnV0.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/qqnV0.jpg)

She knows Archer is not really Shirou, even if they had the same starting
point. Her archer is a different person that she loves dearly and will never
return.

…The future might change. If a girl like her stays with Emiya Shirou, the hero
Emiya should not be born. His words contain such hope.

""Ar… cher…" The boy and the man are two different existences. They only have
the same starting point, and he is an ideal that the boy dreamed of."[![enter
image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/7TlDO.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/7TlDO.jpg)

Notice that this CG appears A LOT. I remember thinking back when I played the
VN that it was a very annoying CG. I think they showed the rising sun over 10
times. It always went lik this: Image of Rin and Archer - Image of the rising
sun; image of Rin and Archer - Image of the rising sun and many times.

Even 2 years after that she still makes that look when the sun is either
setting or rising.

Last of all, you didn't ask about it but Shirou makes sad faces as well. He's
thinking about saber. At almost the beginning of the episode Rin asks Shirou
to take a walk in the park after classes. He makes a sad expression and says
it's nothing. Rin then makes a look of understanding. The next day Rin takes
Shirou to Glagow to allow him to pay his respects to Saber. “You remember how
you told me that day that you wished you had the chance to say a proper
goodbye. Now’s your chance”. Once they reach the tomb Rin says: “I’ll give you
some time alone” and goes away to prepare the picnic. Shirou then says his
goodbye words in front of her tomb. At the end he says: “Thanks for taking me
there, it means a lot”.

In the happy ending he gets saber so that won't happen. Rin will still feel
sad when the sun rises or sets though.


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There is another reason for her to be sad (apart from the one already said in
the other answers). It would Shirou leaving the Clock tower. It would make her
unhappy all the time.

At the beginning of the episode Rin is super happy. There's a blue sky and she
runs with Shirou towards classes and smiles to him while asking him to walk
with her after classes. But seconds later Shirou makes a sad look. A bit later
Rin asks him to join the Clock Tower and sells it well:

> Joining the magic assotiation isn't without its perks. As a matter of fact
> most people would jump at the idea

Shirou answers

> Yeah, I guess you're right...

This would be Rin's happy ending. The other heroines get similar treatment.
Saber and Shirou live in Avalon for all eternity after the fate route and
Shirou and Sakura live in the Emiya house and he gives up being a hero. This
is what Rin was gonna do, be happy with him in the Clock Tower.

But then she remembers Archer. The next morning Shirou wakes up and Rin is
besides him. It would appear she had been there for a while so maybe she had
been looking at the sunrise while he slept. My guess is that she remembers
Archer. She had promised him to make Shirou happy, so she takes him to see
saber. Rin knows this will sway Shirou's mind towards what he really wants and
it certainly does. When they return Rin's head is in Shirou's shoulder. She
feels vulnerable and sad because of what her decision is gonna do.

The very next night Shirou says he has made up his mind to leave the magic
Association. He asks:

> Aren't you surprised?

Of course she wasn't, the visit to saber was so that he chose the path that
leads him to happiness. She had had 1 whole year in London to visit Saber and
she didn't (Shirou apparently didn't have the general knowledge that that
place exists). Even though Rin says it's so that he can pay his respects to
saber and he says thank you for taking me there, it means a lot, it has
nothing to do with that. It is just for Shirou's happiness (against her own).

At the end of the episode she had probably been looking at the sun setting
while waiting for Shirou. It reminds her yet again of Archer. She then says
sweet things:

> It will all lead to our happily ever after, I just know it

She also says she's gonna follow him. And at the end him (Archer) is smiling.
Solitude was Archer's problem, now that Shirou has Rin by his side he can be a
happy hero.

In Fate hollow Ataraxia (I haven't read it but I've seen the scene in youtube)
there's a scene where we see future Rin. She says that she will give Shirou
happiness more than anyone. His happiness comes before her own.

Conclusion: The beginning of the episode is the reality. Rin is very happy.
She goes to her studies running and turning around and smiles to Shirou when
telling him to take a walk with her after classes. The problems come when
Shirou makes his sad face and Rin faces reality, that being together in the
Clock tower is her dream world, not his. Giving up on that hurts her
(specially since he had pretty much agreed to it), that's why she starts
getting sad the following 2 days all the time.


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