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I just watched the third movie ( _Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie Part 3:
Rebellion_ ) and I have a doubt about the fact that although Madoka wish in
the second movie, which prevented the birth of any witch, both in the past and
in the future. Why then Homura becomes a Witch?

I get an idea, but I'm not pretty sure about it. In the ending we see Homura
feeding QB with her soul gem. Does this mean that all the curses of the
universe are now contained in Homura's soul gem? And that feeding QB with them
is a way to stop entropy?

When Homura says to Sayaka and Madoka that one day they will be enemies, is
she referring to the fact that without suffering sooner or later the universe
will run out of energy and Madoka and Sayaka will have to stop her?


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What happen at the end of the third Madoka Magica movie?


After watching Rebellion on the weekend i've edited my answer account for the
new knowledge i have.

> I have a doubt about the fact that although Madoka wish in the second movie,
> which prevented the birth of any witch, both in the past and in the future.
> Why then Homura becomes a Witch?

Magical girls still turn into Witches even with the Law of Cycles however
Madoka would appear before the Soul Gem became a Grief Seed. the Incubators
captured Homura and put her tainted Soul Gem in an isolation field which would
prevent it from being affected by the law of Cycles.

The Isolation Field was one way allowing people to enter but not escape so
when Madoka along with Sayaka and Bebe came for Homura they became trapped as
well and Madoka's memories were altered as well, it wasn't until after the
field was destroyed could Madoka escape and treat Homura's Soul Gem.

> In the ending we see Homura feeding QB with her soul gem. Does this mean
> that all the curses of the universe are now contained in Homura's soul gem?

The result of Madoka's Wish prevents the creation of Witches however the
curses on Earth still existed and became Wraiths, also what Homura is feeding
Quebe is Cubes left behind by Wraiths when they die, just like what Grief
Seeds were, however Soul Gems still become darkened with despair and in time
will turn a Magical Girl into a Witch however Madoka's Wish allows the Soul
Gem to be purified and allow the Magical Girl to die without becoming a Witch,
Mami notes this by saying how no one knows why Soul Gems shatter like they do,
ofcause Homura knows as she's the only one to know Madoka and her Wish.

> feeding QB with them is a way to stop entropy?

These cubes seems to have the same effect but somewhat limited as Quebe does
note that the current system with the Wraiths doesn't prevent entropy but
slows it down considerably.

> When Homura says to Sayaka and Madoka that one day they will be enemies, is
> she referring to the fact that without suffering sooner or later the
> universe will run out of energy and Madoka and Sayaka will have to stop her?

Homura only actually says this to Madoka as Homura asked Madoka if she valued
order and Madoka replied that it was wrong to break the rules. Homura broke
the Law of Cycles making herself exempt from it by becoming something else.
there's also the matter about Madoka who doesn't remember that she's a Goddess
which could mean that the Law of Cycles will not be upheld. Homura _believes_
that if Madoka regains her memories they may end up becoming enemies. Also
Homura didn't give back Madoka's ribbon because they could one day be enemies,
Homura says that it looked better on Madoka and to Homura the ribbon was a
reminder Madoka existed.

For Sayaka, after she was taken by the Law of Cycles in the previous universe
she was made into Madoka's Secretary and existed the same as Madoka however
having control over her witch form. Sayaka knows of the implications Homura's
new Law of Cycles and thinks it's going to spell tragedy for the rest of the
universe however when asked if Homura was out to destroy it all Homura replied
"maybe, once all the Wraiths' have been destroyed".

As for the universe running out of energy, that was going to happen in the
previous universe as well because before the countermeasure for entropy was to
harvest the energy from when Magical Girls became Witches which thanks to the
Law of Cycles could not be done anymore.

Should be noted however that "counteracting entropy" was the Incubators goal,
apart from Homura the other Magical Girls were mostly unaware of this in the
original universe as Madoka was told this when she was in her room after
Sayaka was killed. only Madoka and Homura would remember this system and the
Incubators would have deduced the effects from talking with Homura.


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Ok, let me try to answer this the best I can. I've watched the movie twice: in
a theatre in Paris and the subbed camrip that's been going around.

**although Madoka wish in the second movie, which prevented the birth of any
witch, both in the past and in the future. Why then Homura becomes a Witch?**

Madoka's wish wasn't **exactly** that. She wished to erase all the witches,
past, present and future **with her own hands**. The bolded part being the
interesting one. Not only did it mean the wish couldn't have any unfortunate
fulfilling that wasn't what she wanted, it meant she would have to do the work
herself. Which is also the only reason it invokes a paradox that forces her
existence into a concept. Either way, the point is, Madoka takes the despair
out of the Soul Gems of Magical Girls as they are about to become witches. The
natural tainting process of the Soul Gem still exists and the girls would
still become witches if she wasn't there to take their souls to wherever and
let them have a dignified death. Only in Homura's case this time, she wasn't
there. To expand upon it, what the Incubators do is use their super advanced
alien science to freeze Homura's Soul Gem at a borderline state. She's about
to become a witch, but she's still a magical girl. Let's say for the sake of
an analogy that her Soul Gem was 99.99% tainted. That's where they froze her
at. Because that's the point at which Madoka would come in and save her from
becoming a witch as she did to everyone throughout the series and they wanted
to capture Madoka. So, frozen at this state, the Soul Gem couldn't break and
impose a witch barrier over some part of this world (which is still a separate
dimension of its own), so it created a barrier of sorts inside itself.
Basically, the first part of the movie was spent inside Homura's Soul Gem.
Note that at this point, the world they're in may be akin to a witch barrier,
but Homura **isn't** a witch, as the barrier was created by what is still her
Soul Gem. After the whole ordeal that culminates with her realizing she's the
one who created the barrier, Homura is confronted by Kyubey, who tells her
about what exactly had happened with her and what their plans for Madoka were.
There, she decides to become a witch inside the barrier so she can be killed
by Mami and Kyouko there and ensuring Madoka will never come for her. Note
that this Homura inside the Soul Gem is basically her soul, so being killed
inside it is the same as destroying her Soul Gem. Now she purposely brings
upon her more despair and suffering by accepting she won't be able to meet
Madoka again and successfully becomes a witch **inside** the Soul Gem. This is
a separate world of its own, one that Madoka can't see nor reach (which is
still kinda of a moot point anyway since Madoka is trapped inside it without
any memories of who she even is), which is why it was possible for that to
happen. The Homura in the outside world, her physical body, is not yet a
witch, since any developments in the inside won't affect the outside thanks to
Kyubey's filter. TL;DR - Homura doesn't become a witch in the outside world,
she becomes one inside her own Soul Gem, which is a separate dimension from
the one Madoka can see and interact with.

**I get an idea, but I'm not pretty sure about it. In the ending we see Homura
feeding QB with her soul gem.**

We do? I'm pretty sure that's not what happens so... By ending, are you
referring to the post-ending credits? Since that's the only thing I think
could have been mistaken by that. But we never see that. All we see is Kyubey
appearing, Homura bringing up her Soul Gem, _perspective change_ , her legs
doing some sort of dance, _perspective change_ , her dancing with a beaten-up
Kyubey in the background. If what you're saying does happen at any point,
please specify.

**When Homura says to Sayaka and Madoka that one day they will be enemies, is
she referring to the fact that without suffering sooner or later the universe
will run out of energy and Madoka and Sayaka will have to stop her?**

That point is pretty much up in the air, specially her words toward Sayaka.
What she says to Madoka is easier to interpret, though. She asks her about her
ideals, if she thinks the world is more important than the happiness of one
people. Basically "selflessness vs selfishness". And Madoka answers with the
former. What this conversation shows is that Homura is fully aware her actions
were selfish ones, but won't back down on them since it's what she's always
wished for. Madoka's answer, though, goes against the very thing she won't
back down from, which means their ideals at the moment are complete opposites,
so if Madoka ever understands the situation and comes to want to realize her
ideal, it'd only be natural they would become enemies. Which will eventually
happen, since it's very doubtful Homura will be able to keep the world as is
without either Madoka or Sayaka getting at least part of their memories back.
Heck, things were already turning out that way with Madoka and would have if
Homura didn't hug her into submission.

_Before proceeding, please have in mind that while everything before this
paragraph are things I'm nearly certain of having interpreted correctly, this
isn't but a theory of mine:_

Back to the Sayaka conversation, that's one of the issues I have with this
movie, in that Sayaka's question regarding destroying the world came out of
absolute nowhere and Homura's answer made no sense at all, considering she
says "Once all wraiths are defeated". And since we know from the series the
wraiths are the new embodiment of grief and despair in a witch-less world, and
that hope and despair can never triumph over one another since the Madoka
world is a zero sum game, that makes absolutely no sense at all. So I've
thought a lot about that until now and I think a possible (even if not obvious
as the one for the Madoka conversation) interpretation is that Homura implying
the wraiths will eventually be eliminated means she is, herself, trying to
become the embodiment of despair. That way, she'd become a true counterpart to
Madoka, who's the embodiment of hope, and the balance would be restored.


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I agree with rezark except for the end Houmura became a demon thru Madoka's
power as a god therefore when Houmura took Madoka's power she then gained the
power to rewrite the world as she seen fit which then refers back to the
conversation with Sayaka. When Sayaka asked her question and Houmura responded
with "when all wraiths are defeated" she gained the power to throw them back
into the world and use them as a source occupation for all the magical girls
such as Sayaka Mami BeBe and so on in the time of occupation giving Houmura
the time to know there attacks and then keep the world at a stasis with just
her and Madoka


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