

> When the time machine crash occurs, the time machine is damaged, because
> John Titor didn't calculate the co-ordinates correctly, so she can't travel
> back in time, ergo, Okabe can't go with her, and thus he can't scream. But
> in case of screaming, it was Okabe who went back in time, so the time
> machine landed correctly, ergo, no crash happened.

Despite this, the first episode shows both of them happening same day.

Aren't these two events contradicting each other?


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In Steins;Gate, aren't the time machine crash and screaming mutually exclusive?


If I get your question correctly, then the answer is NO. Those **do not**
contradict each other because

> the events you described above (first half of episode 1) happen in **the
> Beta Worldline**. In the Beta Worldline, the time machine is complete -
> hence there was no coordinate error and the machine did not crash. The time
> machine only crashed on **the Alpha Worldline**.


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You probably forgot since it was all the way back in episode 1, but Okabe
_does_ see the machine on the roof... not crashed, and hence he hears the
scream. It's only after he leaves the building and sends the first D-Mail that
he sees the crashed "satellite".


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I just finished the anime last night. I also rewatched the last episodes
(22,23,24). The last time I watched an episode of the anime, I noticed that
there's a relation between the events that happened in ep 24 and 1. Here's
what I think. Okabe saved Kurisu by piercing himself for the blood pool so
that the present Okabe (talking about the ep 1) will see/mistake her as dead
in the first episode.(re watch from ep 24 to 1 to see the connection) The
scream in episode 1 was definitely Okabe's (the Okabe from ep 24 when he
pierced himself). Although it also doesn't really make sense to me on how the
D-mail was sent to Daru in episode 1. Causing Kurisu not to remember meeting
Okabe. And herself being alive (refering to ep 2)

After thinking about stuff regarding the REAL plot of the whole anime series,
I realized that in the first episode, Kurisu wasn't really dead. Okabe in the
first episode mistook her as dead, which is exactly what Okabe in the episode
24 wanted. The first D-mail which Okabe ( 1st ep ) sent to Daru: "Seems
someone stabbed Makise Kurisu." ( I forgot the exact words)

That caused the "misunderstanding", wherein, if Okabe went back to the time
where the D-mail/Phone Microwave didn't exist, Kurisu would be dead, which
wasn't.

It's a pretty interesting topic, and I'd love to hear and see your opinions
regarding this discussion. Especially those who just finished the one of the
greatest anime ever, welcome to the fandom ^^

Note: If anyone have corrections for my post/theory and stuff , feel free to
reply


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> The scream you mentioned was BEFORE Okabe sent a text message.  
>  The crash you mentioned was seen AFTER Okabe sent a text message. (and for
> clarification, the time machine didn't crash into the wall, it appeared
> there. It wasn't this "crash" which damaged the time machine either, it was
> the later rain storm)


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