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Can effects of someone's devil fruits like Soru-Soru(i.e. Soul-Soul of Big
mom), Hobi-Hobi (Sugar), Op-Op (Law) etc. that have long lasting effects on
others neutralised from sea/sea water ?

like if -

  1. Big mom's homies drown. or,
  2. Sugar's toys drown. or,
  3. Law's patients with heart taken out drown or are attacked by sea water/sea stone.

P.S. when I say drown I also mean attacked by sea water / sea prism stone.


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Can effects/after effects of someone's fruit power's be neutralised by sea/sea water?


Apparently all this comes from a series of misconceptions.

First, the effects water has on Devil Fruit users does not come from "salt",
nor by the "water" itself (as a mere liquid). "Salt" is a specific weakness
tied to Moria (in popular culture salt has a purify effect on demons and
undead, see for example the common "a circle of salt can be used to protect
you from a demon"), while Crocodile is weak to any form of "water", including
rain or water someone could spray on him (and that is WHY he worked so hard to
be sure it would never rain).

The specific weakness Devil Fruit have is not just "water". It is what Oda
called "standing" water.

> D: Odacchi! Here's a question for you! Crocodile can't fight water because
> he's "sand," right? Then how does he bathe?! Does he at all?! That's
> filthy!! Do you bathe, Odacchi? by Crocodile's Mother
>
> O: First of all, let's discuss the problem of Devil Fruit users bathing
> themselves. People who have eaten a Devil Fruit are "hated" by the sea, and
> cannot swim. The "sea" here can refer to anything from rivers, pools and
> baths to any kind of _**standing water**_. On a worldwide level, they are
> all the "sea." When these people enter the water, _**not only can they not
> use their powers, they have trouble moving their bodies at all**_. They
> might be able to struggle a bit, but it wouldn't do much good. That's if
> their entire bodies are submerged in the "sea." With less than half the body
> or just the limbs, it gets easier. Also, rain and _**dripping water have no
> effect at all**_. Therefore, hip baths or showers are the most common
> choice. Now, in Crocodile's case, "water" is the weakness of his very
> powers, so his abilities are robbed even in the shower. But it's not like
> there are enemies around when you take a shower, so I'd bet he would take
> them even with his powers being blocked. Don't you think? ---And to answer
> your final question, about myself bathing. As it happens, I do bathe. Twice!
> In a year!

So, basically, the weakness to the "standing water" is caused by the fact that
"standing water" is considered part of the "sea", and the _**will**_ of the
sea "hates" the Devil Fruit users. Coincidentally, the water also contains
---midiclorian--- Pyrobloin so Sea Prism Stone (which is made from Pyrobloin)
still somehow carries the will of the sea.

It is also important to notice that based on Oda's answer, the sea hates the
Devil Fruit user, not simply their power. Therefore the effect of the fruit is
on the _**user**_ , not on their power.

The difference could seem very subtle but there are enough evidences in the
manga to prove that "standing water" actually works by making the victim weak
to a point they can't no longer use their power _**willing**_. This does not
mean that the powers are negated in any way, so any "permanent" effect that
does not require active sustain will continue to exist.

Let's see some examples that should prove this.

## Case #1: Arlong Park

[![Luffy body has still rubber like properties while
underwater](https://i.stack.imgur.com/GJonZ.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/GJonZ.jpg)

Luffy falls in the water and while this is enough to make him basically faint
Genzo and Nojiko are still able to save him by _forcefully_ stretching his
neck. So, while Luffy was rendered too weak to even move by the water his body
kept all his "rubber like" properties even when submerged.

## Case 2: Water Luffy

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/4XBmy.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/4XBmy.png)

Luffy was able to use "moving" water without any effect during his fights with
Crocodile. Crocodile was instead affected since his fruit is _specifically_
weak to _any form of water_.

## Case 3: any bath scene with a Devil Fruit user

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/ytiIz.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/ytiIz.png)

If we compare different scenes involving fruit users it becomes quite evident
that the effects scale with how much of the body is actually submerged. In the
picture above Luffy and Brook are weakened since about half their body is
submerged, but they don't seem to feel any effect nor does Yamato in the Wano
ending onsen scene (where they are standing in the water and only their feet
are submerged - see it [here - warning: very fanservice and also contains
spoilers](https://i.stack.imgur.com/As3gU.jpg) ). Another blatant example is
the old artwork with Nami and Robin in an onsen with the three monkeys.

## Case 4: Luffy underwater fight

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/EDADQ.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/EDADQ.png)

Luffy body wasn't actually touching the water so he was not weakened. Notice
that this scene will also prove something else soon afterward.

## Case 5: Zushi Zushi affecting a Marine battle ship ##[![enter image
description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/JgTLb.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/JgTLb.jpg)

Fujitora's powers were shown to be able to make a Marine's battle ship
levitate. Remember: the hull of most Marine's ships is made from Sea
Primstone, so it is very possible that in this scene Fujitora powers were
affecting Primstone too. If this is not enough please refer to point six.

## Case 6: Law swapping Sea Primstone shackles and cutting them

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/ocCsL.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/ocCsL.png)

In this scene Law is able to remove his shackles because he actually swapped
the Seastone ones with regular ones before. While one could claim that he
didn't use his power to do so the fact he says "so I can swap them **at any
time** " seems to clearly point in that direction.

## Case 7: Mr 3 key and the Primstone shackles

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/7hF6x.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/7hF6x.jpg)
The key Mr 3 created is clearly a product of his power. Yet said key was used
to open a Primstone shackle and did NOT dissipate when touching it. This is
similar to Aokiji being able to actually turn sea water into ice.

## Case 8: Smoker's Sea Prism sword

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/hqvTg.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/hqvTg.jpg)
With enough training and will, a Devil Fruit user can resist the effect of
moving water.

## Case 9: chained Big Mom

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/23mWe.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/23mWe.jpg)
Apparently Big Mom chains were made from Sea Prism Stone, yet she didn't seem
very effected by that.

## Case 10: imprisoned Smoker and Tashigi

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/fDsU6.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/fDsU6.png)  
At that time Tashigi and Smoker were under the swapping effect of Law's fruit.
The effect was not negated when they came in contact with the Sea Prism stone
chains.

* * *

Now we can draw some conclusions from all this examples (notice: anytime water
is mentioned we are actually referring to moving water or Sea Prism stone
unless otherwise noticed):

  * Passive "always on" effects are NOT nullified if the user comes in contact with water.
  * Only standing water counts, rain or any form of moving water has no effect.
  * The effect scale with how much of your body is submerged.
  * The effect only comes from direct contact with the water.
  * Devil Fruit users powers can actually affect Primstone and water.
  * Any product of a Devil Fruit power can touch water with no effect, it is only the user that is effected.
  * The will of the user can negate the effect of the will of the sea
  * when under the effect of moving water a Devil Fruit user won't be able to create any new effect but **PERMANENT** effects already in place aren't negated

To summarize this in one simple line: moving water does not act on the Fruit
powers. It acts by making the user weak to the point they can no longer
sustain new effect of their powers (or any effect that requires constant
application).

Therefore we can conclude that in most cases the effect of a Devil Fruit user
power are NOT negated by contact with moving water. So, anyone turned in a toy
by Sugar can't simply be tossed in the water to revert the transformation.

The effect of a fruit can be permanent (example: Luffy's rubber like body) or
sustained (Sugar's power). There is no clear rule on whether a power is
permanent or sustained but the difference should be clear: if a "permanent"
power user is disabled (killed, fainted, submerged in water) the effects of
his power stay while in the case of "sustained" power the effect dissipate.

Based on her claims, Boa petrification power is a permament effect: after you
are turned to stone you would remain in that state even if she faints or is
killed (or if she bathes, would be fun if Margaret simply had to wait next
time Boa went to her bath pool). Sugar power instead is sustained and that is
why making her faint is sufficient to make any toy turn back to their original
self. Another sustained power is for example Vander Decken's (as soon as he
faints the ship falls).

Notice that the distinction is not always intuitive: there is no reason Boa
petrification should be permanent while Sugar power isn't. Zoan powers are
also "permanent" since while moving water neutralizes the user strength they
remain in whatever form they were at the moment (Chopper does NOT turn in a
regular reindeer when he falls in the sea in multiple chapters, but his
strength is neutralized to the point he can't no longer sustain Monster
Point).

There is also another Odd-Ball worth mentioning:

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/CbB2F.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/CbB2F.jpg)

For some weird reason Gild Tesoro creations are actually vulnerable to water.
He shares Crocodile weakness but in his case there doesn't seem to be a
"logical" reasoning behind this (like "water pokemon beats sand").

It is also worth noticing that all the evidence so far collected open a
different question...

When Luffy falls in Boa's bath she is surprised that he didn't turn into
stone. But she is submerged in water , so she should not be able to use her
power at that time.  
This can be explained if we assume that her power is not an active power she
has to use directly (like Sugar's) but instead a permanent state of her
"body". This should also explain why her power has permanent effects while
Sugar's one can be nullified if she faints.


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