

When I see lists where they rank most powerful shinobi in Naruto, they
generally rank Naruto near the top (usually 1 or 2). These lists generally
don't even have Kakashi in the top 25, yet Kakashi is a Jounin, whereas Naruto
has NEVER even been able to become a Chunin!

So at what point in the show is it that Naruto surpasses Kakashi?


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At what point does Naruto surpass Kakashi?


Naruto surpasses kakashi by the pain arc after Naruto learns senjutsu. His
genin status is only a rank. You're forgetting that Naruto trained for Jiraiya
for three years and missed all the chunin exams in between.

If you really want to argue about Kakashi's Kamui and his Mangekyou Sharingan
that he somehow found out about it in Shippuden Naruto is still stronger. His
chakra reserves aren't insane.


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Yes, Kakashi is a jounin, and yes Naruto didn't make it in the chuunin exam.
But you have to remember that these ninja ranks aren't based on power or
strength, but on discipline, tactical skill, and most importantly: _taking the
exams_.

After the chuunin exams in the beginning of the story, Naruto leaves the
village and was never able to take another exam. After he grows up and comes
back to the village, everybody (his schoolmates) is a chuunin and Neji is
already a jounin. He just didn't take the exams. I'm pretty sure he was
disciplined and trained enough to make it to jounin.

Kakashi might be a genius tactician and skilled in everything ninjutsu,
genjutsu and taijutsu BUT he has the chakra content of a small puppy, as seen
[here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/r4n6J.jpg), so in the general rank of power,
he can't make it very far.

But that's about it, actually. His lack of chakra is his great downfall.

I would actually argue that Naruto surpassed Kakashi right about the beginning
of Shippuden. Now, Naruto didn't have control over kyuubi then yet, nor did he
have sage mode then BUT STILL, if he could dodge few raikiris (I remember this
number being three, but couldn't find sources) that Kakashi is able to
produce, he could beat him. At that time, it would be the battle of Naruto's
life, but two chakra tails from Kyuubi would probably be able to handle that.
If you think that that's too early, go forward a few episodes (40 to 43) and
you have Naruto almost killing Orochimaru, that is
[reportedly](http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kakashi_and_Orochimaru:_Face-to-
Face!) stronger than Kakashi.


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This is highly opinion based question. The lists you might be referring to are
mostly personal rankings by individuals who are using bias/potential to rank
individual Ninjas. For Example, Ina-Shika-Cho may be great in a team, but lose
out individually. However, I'll try to answer the question based on canon
information only.

Naruto surpassed Kakashi in terms of Raw Strength and power as a Ninja, when
he mastered the Wind Style: Rasenshuriken. This is proven by the fact that he
defeats a Ninja Kakashi had trouble with in his 2nd attack and pretty much one
shots him.

This was an achievement that showcases Naruto's persistence and talent as a
Ninja, creating a move that both his Father and Sensei (Kakashi, Jiraiya)
couldn't do. He had been moving up the chain for several instances (like
defeating Itachi duplicate), but this is the most clear demarkation of his
prowess is beating Kakazu 1v1 with his Rasenshuriken. This is further proven
by the fact that **Kakashi himself said it wondering if Naruto had surpassed
him.[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/PAnPH.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/PAnPH.png).**

Later also Kakashi admits to Naruto, that he might be even stronger than him
now. [![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/uPjIm.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/uPjIm.png)

Finally, The moment where everyone acknowledges Naruto's strength and talent
is clearly beating Pain. Jiraiya and Kakashi died fighting Pain, while Naruto
was able to beat him soundly. This moment, leaves no premise for confusion. So
somewhere between Kakuzu and Pain Naruto had surpassed Kakashi!


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