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In the recent story of Dragon Ball Super, the present Zamasu has been killed
by Lord Beerus but is still alive in the future. It has been told that Goku
Black is Zamasu in Goku's Body, while Zamasu is the one from the past. All
these things seem messed up. Can anyone provide a simple explanation of how
all this timeline stuff works?


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Why is Zamasu alive in the future when he was killed by Lord Beerus in Dragon Ball Super?


**It all starts with Trunks in the Android saga**

Future Trunks lived in a very bleak future and was backed into a corner with
Gohan's death and his Super Saiyan transformation not being strong enough to
stop Android's 17 and 18. [![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/ctXo0.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/ctXo0.png)
So in comes the time machine to go back and save Goku from dying from a heart
virus.

When Trunks travelled backwards through time, he created a branching time-
line. Let's call the present world World A (where Trunks pwns Mecha-Frieza)
[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/8oZ3p.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/8oZ3p.jpg)
and the other world World B (Androids wrecking s***). Now nothing Trunks does
in either world affects the other because they are two separate time-lines.

Because Trunks broke the taboo big-time by going backwards.

It was mentioned in Super that anytime time is travelled reversely, a time-
ring is born to give representation of a new universe being created. [![enter
image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/fJhia.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/fJhia.png)
[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/5ejpL.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/5ejpL.png)

**Fast Forward to Dragon Ball Super**

Now in DBS, Buu was never revived in World B because Trunks killed Babidi and
Dabura due to a power buff he got from training with Supreme Kai and Kibito
with the Z-Sword. [![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/b4pa8.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/b4pa8.png)
[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/bHnWf.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/bHnWf.jpg)
However, it is revealed in the manga that the battle with Dabura took a heavy
downturn, as not only did the Z-Sword get turned to stone and obliterated (eg.
Grandpa Supreme Kai sealed within it was killed), [![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/mdfpY.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/mdfpY.png)
[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/6O0D6.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/6O0D6.jpg)
but Dabura killed Kibito [![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/XFGJS.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/XFGJS.jpg)
and Babidi killed Supreme Kai. [![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/Pkz5V.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/Pkz5V.png)
[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/UA08Y.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/UA08Y.jpg)

We already know that no Supreme Kai = no god of destruction aka no Beerus
because their existence is a set. Which also equates to no Whis because Whis
is an angel that exists solely to serve the god of destruction. This also
means that the Potara Fusion and Elder Kai unlock ability are non-existent in
World B.

So looking at the Gowasu in World B, it was shown in the anime that he was
murdered by Zamasu who took a time-ring and collected the Super Dragon Balls
and wished for Goku's body.

With that time-ring he went to the past of World B.

**This is where things get icky**

Because Black did reverse travel like Trunks, he made a new time-line. In this
World C he was still plain old Zamasu but was planning to kill Gowasu as he
had just sparred with Goku.

Black killed Gowasu for a second time and influenced his past self to join
him. This World B past tense Zamasu collected the Super Dragon Balls and
wished for an immortal body. With that, immortal Zamasu got a new time ring
from Black's reversal which allowed them both to go back to World B and kill
all the gods of each universe in that timeline.

**The real kick in the chops**

So Beerus found out, got mad, and killed Zamasu in World A. That means nothing
for two reasons: first, Beerus' actions do not matter in this world because
Trunks already separated the timelines way back in Dragon Ball Z; second, even
if by some stretch of imagination God's affected the time-line differently, it
does not matter because of the power of time ring.

THE PLOTHOLES HERE ARE GAPPING ONES

  * What happened to universe C?
  * What happened to Earth in universe C? Since in that case there would be 2 Trunks (I have no idea what the plural of Trunks is).
  * Why was there like 5 time rings in the episode that Gowasu revealed them? Trunks has not jumped back and forth 5 times. Or has he? Also, what's the difference between a green ring and a white ring? [![5-time rings shown in box](https://i.stack.imgur.com/X5v5n.jpg)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/X5v5n.jpg)

NOTE: This is why when anime delves into multi-verse, time-travel stuff, it
always turns out bad unless it's Steins;Gate. <3

EDIT: Finally complete!! Getting all those screenshots was a hassle but I
think my answer is as thorough as it can get.

EDIT: Episode 67 of Super reveals why there are so many time rings. The answer
is: 2 for Trunks, 1 for Cell, 1 for Black, 1 for Beerus, and 1 for Whis = 6
time rings as shown below.
[![proof](https://i.stack.imgur.com/Mlgl1.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/Mlgl1.png)


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You got the worlds mixed up, World B Zamasu never met Goku and would have no
reason to use the Super Dragon Balls to wish for Goku to switch bodies with
him, it's Zamasu from the world created when Whis used his temporal do-over to
go back so Beerus could kill Zamasu before he killed Gowasu. From Zamasu's
point of view he killed Gowasu with Beerus and Whis thinking they'd killed
him, no one was there to stop him from gathering the Super Dragonballs and
wishing for Goku's body which he envied after sparring with him in universe 10
and using the time ring created by Trunks splitting the timeline to tell Goku
about the Androids as that world had no Supreme Kai and therefore no Beerus,
who was the only one with the will who powerful enough to stop him. He then
went around and killed the Supreme Kais of the other 10 universes (He'd
already killed Gowasu and thus universe 10's god of destruction)

Once in Future Trunks' timeline he met up with the Zamasu of that Universe and
helped him kill Gowasu and gather the dragonballs and wish for Immortality and
then a year later, wish for the Dragonballs to be destroyed.


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Green ones are the alternate timelines created. White one is the original. It
would be interesting to see if someone will find a Goku from another timeline
(when he was saved by Trunks and prior to Trunks returning) to fight this
Goku. Obviously, Goku is the key player who screwed it all up when the heart
disease didn't kill him.


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So strictly speaking the original and unaltered timeline is the future Trunks
came from the first time, with a dead by Heart-attack-Goku, everyone killed by
androids, then Trunks destroying the androids and eventually being killed by
Cell who abandones the timeline afterwards, i.e an Earth with no superbeings
at all. So Kaioshin has no one to hire for stopping Babidí.

Cell travel forced Trunks to stay in present time and train with Vegeta so he
forged a diferent future were he stomped everyone (even Cell) until Black
appeared, this fucked-up time-line was eventually erased by Zeno-sama.


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