

It feels like the common thread is "I'm a major bad guy in Naruto, I lose/die,
then I have a change of heart and want to help Naruto once bigger baddy shows
up". When does a bad guy remain a bad guy? (e.g. - Zabuza, Gaara, Itachi,
Nagato, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Sasuke, Obito, and the demon fox who was supposed
to be the incarnation of the world's Malice/Hatred).

Even Madara seems poised now for a return as a good guy since there's a bigger
threat and he originally had good intentions when he was a kid.

Is there a reason for this? Why aren't the bad guys more angry that they lost,
and join up with new bad guy? Seems like they give up really easily and have
no commitment to their goals.


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Why does every major bad guy end up being a good guy later?


Maybe because there actually isn't any "bad guy" in this world from the start.
Somebody becomes bad because of certain incidents happened to them in the
past. Nobody is evil at the time when they are just born in this world.

If you cut the fillers and the battles in the Naruto or Naruto Shippuden, you
will see the story of this anime actually is very deep, closely related to our
everyday life. It always tries to unify people in some way.

You will surely remember how Nagato ended the chain of hatred, or how Zabuza
kept his faith on Naruto. You will see there is no actual "villain" in Naruto.
Every "villain" character (Madara, Sasuke, Obito, ...) has a good reason to
behave like how they do. When someone tries to do things the way they want,
but couldn't make it, they try to help those who have the same goal like
him/her. That's how they become good.

It's actually like how Sossli1 says in one of his videos on YouTube

"Those in need of a shoulder to cry on seek those who experienced it".


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Based on what Sakata Gintoki said in Gintama anime, it is the pattern of
Shonen Jump manga. See Fairy Tail and Bleach. In Fairy Tail, Gajeel was an
enemy, alongside Juvia, but now, they are one of the main members. Same thing
in Bleach. Ishida Uryuu was an enemy in the beginning, but then he turned into
friend, although now he is posing as an enemy again. But that pretty much is
like Vegeta in Dragon Ball, though.


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> "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain."

\-- Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight

The characters that you describe started out as heroes, then turned to
villainy, and then were set straight by Naruto.
[KnowYourMeme](http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-either-die-a-hero-or-you-
live-long-enough-to-see-yourself-become-the-villain) does a good job of
explaining the background and has links for more reading.

The jist of the phenomenon is that heroes usually become such when they die
(posthumously), while the same disregard for the norm will eventually lead
someone against normalcy, thus becoming a villain.

This picture uses the quote and Naruto characters to take it full circle:

[![enter image description
here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/4P4hq.png)](https://i.stack.imgur.com/4P4hq.png)


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It seems to be due to the inherent nature of each being to think and decide
the way he wishes to pursue, more like when you are born you are in an
equilibrium and when faced by circumstances and the emotional atmosphere
around you, you learn from it and draw towards to one of the positive or
negative sides.

As we saw in DBZ, Vegeta came to destroy earth and was really persistent but
then with the change of a heart decided to safeguard it and called it his
home.


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