Can particle と and で both mean with?


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>  [Why is particle で used instead of particle と in 家族で出かける (Kazoku de
> dekakeru)?](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/8107/particle-%e3%81%a7%e3%80%80versus-
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For example:

>   1. 今晩家族 **で** レストランに行きます。(Konban kazoku **de** resutoran ni ikimasu)
> Tonight, I will go to the restaurant with my family.
>
>   2. 私は来週父 **と** 京都に行きます。(Watashi wa raishuu chichi **to** Kyouto ni
> ikimasu) I will go to Kyoto with my father next week.
>
>

Does it matter which I use? I think と is more common for saying "with someone"
right? Just curious, thanks.

Also, is there a different connotation or feeling given if you use one over
the other?




  * と means literally "with"
  * で means "as"

In your first example "as a family" means the same as "with (the rest of) my
family". But "as father" is different from "with my father"...

The difference in nuance is pretty close to English:

> 今日家族でレストランに行きます。  
>  Today we will go to a restaurant as a family.
>
> 今日家族とレストランに行きます。  
>  Today I will go to a restaurant with my family.

In the first sentence (although slightly cumbersome in English) sounds more
like the subject feels part of the family. In the second sentence the subject
feels more separate from the family.

