How would you express 'worth it' in Japanese?


This comes out of a discussion in chat; apologies if I'm getting reputation
off of someone else's idea. I'd like to see an official answer, though.

In English, we often talk about things as being 'worth it', i.e. worth
whatever effort or risk was involved in obtaining or completing them. Japanese
seems to have no convenient mechanism for expressing the same thought, though.
A more literal translation, something like やる価値があった, seems 1) like it possibly
isn't a natural phrasing and 2) like it describes the value in doing the thing
in general rather than the value in putting in the effort or taking the risk.
A less literal translation, something as simple as やってよかった for instance,
sounds more natural, but misses the effort/risk connotation even more
completely.

Is there a good way to phrase this in Japanese? Or is it simply not something
that Japanese people would really talk about all that often? Maybe it's just a
cultural thing rather than even a linguistic one - the concept of 'worth it'
just might not be a major part of the Japanese worldview. 本物の日本人は答えられるでしょうか？




> How would you express 'worth it' in Japanese?
>
> A more literal translation, something like やる価値があった, seems 1) like it
> possibly isn't a natural phrasing and 2) like it describes the value in
> doing the thing in general rather than the value in putting in the effort or
> taking the risk. A less literal translation, something as simple as やってよかった
> for instance, sounds more natural, but misses the effort/risk connotation
> even more completely.

やる価値があった is not bad while やってよかった is the plainer expression to us. When we say
these, it might be also natural to say やった甲斐{かい}があった. If this doesn't answer
your question, then please bring up some contexts.

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[addition]  
I think the things are that やった甲斐があった is very much an idiom to us. We know the
phrase since our childhood without knowing what 甲斐 really is. 甲斐 is something
good that comes after an effort.

And in fact, デジタル大辞泉 says:

> [**かい**
> 【甲斐】](https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/35176/meaning/m0u/%E7%94%B2%E6%96%90/)  
>  **１** 行動の結果として現れるしるし。努力した効果。「我慢した―があった」

So, it seems we are just so used to saying 甲斐があった, and when we are talking
about a plan, we say これはやってみる価値があります.

やり甲斐がある is also an idiom every one of us, Japanese, knows, and means
(something) is meaningful, or worthy to do, which we usually associate more
with an interesting or enjoyable thing to do because it's meaningful and not
boring, and we don't really think of the result of it, I think, unless we are
business freaks. So, 甲斐 is a rather ambiguous thing for us.




> How would you express 'worth it' in Japanese?
>
> A more literal translation, something like やる価値があった, seems 1) like it
> possibly isn't a natural phrasing and 2) like it describes the value in
> doing the thing in general rather than the value in putting in the effort or
> taking the risk. A less literal translation, something as simple as やってよかった
> for instance, sounds more natural, but misses the effort/risk connotation
> even more completely.

やる価値があった is not bad while やってよかった is the plainer expression to us. When we say
these, it might be also natural to say やった甲斐{かい}があった. If this doesn't answer
your question, then please bring up some contexts.

* * *

[addition]  
I think the things are that やった甲斐があった is very much an idiom to us. We know the
phrase since our childhood without knowing what 甲斐 really is. 甲斐 is something
good that comes after an effort.

And in fact, デジタル大辞泉 says:

> [**かい**
> 【甲斐】](https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/35176/meaning/m0u/%E7%94%B2%E6%96%90/)  
>  **１** 行動の結果として現れるしるし。努力した効果。「我慢した―があった」

So, it seems we are just so used to saying 甲斐があった, and when we are talking
about a plan, we say これはやってみる価値があります.

やり甲斐がある is also an idiom every one of us, Japanese, knows, and means
(something) is meaningful, or worthy to do, which we usually associate more
with an interesting or enjoyable thing to do because it's meaningful and not
boring, and we don't really think of the result of it, I think, unless we are
business freaks. So, 甲斐 is a rather ambiguous thing for us.

