Why aren't these sentence elements placed in a different way?


A: タワポン-さんの部屋はどこですか。 B: あの **カーテンの閉まった** へやです。

I think it translates into this: A: Which is the apartment of tawapon-san? B:
That apartment with the closed curtains.

I wondered, why isn't the sentence built like this:

B: あの **閉まったカーテン** の部屋です。

At least to me, it seems to be less ambiguous than the original version, which
on first sight could also translate into: B: That closed apartment with
curtains.




> > A: タワポン-さんの部屋はどこですか。  
>  B: あのカーテンの閉まったへやです。
>
> B: あの閉まったカーテンの部屋です。
>
> I think it translates into this: A: Which is the apartment of tawapon-san?
> B: That apartment with the closed curtains.

閉まったカーテン might be used in some context, but in this case, it's simply an
unusual thing to hear to our native ears.

I think it's because the closed curtain is not something expected to be always
that way. How would you say the same thing in your language?

The _**state**_ of カーテンが閉まっている is the point that we naturally feel that we
should say; we want to describe it as a (small but) clause with the subject
and the predicate.

あのカーテンの[が] **閉まった** 部屋です。

あのカーテンの[が] **閉まっている** 部屋です。

These two are natural.

If it's あの赤いカーテンの部屋です, it works just fine. This is plain natural, but
あのカーテンの赤い部屋です also works.




> > A: タワポン-さんの部屋はどこですか。  
>  B: あのカーテンの閉まったへやです。
>
> B: あの閉まったカーテンの部屋です。
>
> I think it translates into this: A: Which is the apartment of tawapon-san?
> B: That apartment with the closed curtains.

閉まったカーテン might be used in some context, but in this case, it's simply an
unusual thing to hear to our native ears.

I think it's because the closed curtain is not something expected to be always
that way. How would you say the same thing in your language?

The _**state**_ of カーテンが閉まっている is the point that we naturally feel that we
should say; we want to describe it as a (small but) clause with the subject
and the predicate.

あのカーテンの[が] **閉まった** 部屋です。

あのカーテンの[が] **閉まっている** 部屋です。

These two are natural.

If it's あの赤いカーテンの部屋です, it works just fine. This is plain natural, but
あのカーテンの赤い部屋です also works.

