られる noun phrase


In the sentence : 日本で作られたもの ですが, ハワイに行ったときに買いました the noun phrase 日本で作られた
describes もの. Why not use 日本の or 日本が in the noun phrase? From my understanding
It would still mean that it is 'made in Japan'. Also, why do I have to change
作る to られる form? Why not use 日本で作るもの?

Thank you,

Sheena




First, just be aware that "made in Japan" (日本で作られた) does not necessarily imply
"Japanese"/"of Japan" (日本の); and vice versa. My _< product from American
company>_ could be made in Japan, but I wouldn't consider it a Japanese
product. Likewise, I could own set of souvenir Japanese swords, but they could
be made in Mexico.

Anyway, on to your question. Barring any nuances I mentioned above, it would
be perfectly fine to substitute 日本の and get the same overall meaning. 「日本がもの」
is ungrammatical and doesn't make sense. A better choice might be 「日本製のもの」 if
you want to avoid using a verb.

As for whether to use 作る vs. 作られる, I feel like that is mostly a stylistic
choice. 日本で作る・作ったもの is more like "a thing they make/made in Japan", although
since the topic is omitted in the example, it could imply that it is something
that **_you_** made in Japan, but then bought in Hawai'i (which then doesn't
make sense). So I think the use of 作られた is the safer choice; to emphasize that
it was _made_ in Japan, but that we don't care about _who_ the makers are at
all.

My ￥2...




First, just be aware that "made in Japan" (日本で作られた) does not necessarily imply
"Japanese"/"of Japan" (日本の); and vice versa. My _< product from American
company>_ could be made in Japan, but I wouldn't consider it a Japanese
product. Likewise, I could own set of souvenir Japanese swords, but they could
be made in Mexico.

Anyway, on to your question. Barring any nuances I mentioned above, it would
be perfectly fine to substitute 日本の and get the same overall meaning. 「日本がもの」
is ungrammatical and doesn't make sense. A better choice might be 「日本製のもの」 if
you want to avoid using a verb.

As for whether to use 作る vs. 作られる, I feel like that is mostly a stylistic
choice. 日本で作る・作ったもの is more like "a thing they make/made in Japan", although
since the topic is omitted in the example, it could imply that it is something
that **_you_** made in Japan, but then bought in Hawai'i (which then doesn't
make sense). So I think the use of 作られた is the safer choice; to emphasize that
it was _made_ in Japan, but that we don't care about _who_ the makers are at
all.

My ￥2...

