What's the difference between the -banme and -ban counters?


I found these two sentences in RosettaStone

> kochira no sanbanme no seki desu

> kanojo wa hachiban no seki ni suwatte imasu

Why is the first one not "sanban" and the second one not "hachibanme"?




You can think of it like

> _◯-ban_ ↔ no. ◯  
>  _◯-banme_ ↔ ◯st,nd,rd,th

so

> _sanbanme no seki_ = the third seat  
>  _hachiban no seki_ = seat no. 8

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There are a few related questions, but they usually use _hiragana_ and _kanji_
:

  * [What is the correct way of saying "third" in different contexts?](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/14733/1628)
  * [「二番」 vs. 「二番目」 confusion](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/13009/1628)
  * [Why is this [二番目]{に・ばん・め} counter used for a person?](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/15613/1628)

