よね and じゃん: めっちゃ褒めてくれるじゃん


Going off of my last question, I put some thought into the difference between
よね and じゃん and I still find it confusing, feeling iffy about choosing one over
the other.

> めっちゃ褒めてくれるじゃん

[@aguijonazo
mentioned](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/94524/%E8%AA%B0%E3%81%AB%E3%82%82%E5%84%AA%E3%81%97%E3%81%8F%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%82%8B%E3%82%88%E3%81%AD-%E8%AA%B0%E3%81%AB%E3%82%82%E5%84%AA%E3%81%97%E3%81%8F%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%81%82%E3%81%92%E3%81%A6%E3%82%8B%E3%82%88%E3%81%AD-%E8%AA%B0%E3%81%AB%E3%82%82%E5%84%AA%E3%81%97%E3%81%8F%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%81%8F%E3%82%8C%E3%81%A6%E3%82%8B%E3%82%88%E3%81%AD?noredirect=1#comment154128_94524)
よね suggests the speaker assumes the listen holds a similar opinion. But how do
I understand

> めっちゃ褒めてくれるよね

Does this sound too strong, because it doesn't seem to be used a lot? What
other 語尾 can go there? でしょ? だろう? What else?

> めっちゃ褒めてくれてるじゃん

Also this doesn't occur often either, is it idiomatic?




How to parse and interpret them, is determined by so may surrounding elements.

Just to prove a point, here's a _bad example_. I wish I could've come up with
a better one:

> So I went to the zoo yesterday, **right?** And the Japanese were excited
> about a loaf of bread.

I used the word "right". Immense effort will be required to explain when/why
to use one over the other, from the following possible "synonyms":

  * I went to the zoo yesterday, **eh?**
  * I went to the zoo yesterday, **u dig?**
  * I went to the zoo yesterday, **okay?**
  * I went to the zoo yesterday, **you see?**
  * I went to the zoo yesterday, **alright?**
  * I went to the zoo yesterday, **get it?**
  * I went to the zoo yesterday, **namsayin**

WhatI'msayin is, I am able to pick the appropriate one because of experience.
I would choose one when arguing with my homies in the hood, but another when
negotiating with my boss in the office.

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褒めて **くれてる** and 褒めて **くれる** deliver a different message, so I'll just stick
with 褒めて **くれてる** to generate these examples:

  * A1. あなた今日めっちゃ褒めてくれてる **じゃん** 。ありがとね

  * A2. あなた今日めっちゃ褒めてくれてる **よね** 。ありがとね

  * B1. あの人私のことめっちゃ褒めてくれてる **じゃん** 、だから私のこと好きなんだと思う

  * B2. あの人私のことめっちゃ褒めてくれてる **よね** 、だから私のこと好きなんだと思う

  * C1. 私が駄目な女ってどういうこと？普段はめっちゃ褒めてくれてる **じゃん**

  * C2. 私が駄目な女ってどういうこと？だってさ、普段はめっちゃ褒めてくれてる **よね**

I think the differences between 1 and 2 for each examples are trivial enough
to be considered subjective. It also depends on the region you are in,
especially with じゃん. So you probably shouldn't take my following analysis
seriously:

  * A1 sounds straightforward happier
  * A2 sounds calmer (thus ironically may sound happier than A1)
  * B1 sounds confident that someone has a crush on her
  * B2 may be asking for her friend to agree
  * C1 sounds straightforward disagreeing
  * C2 required additional "だってさ" to clarify there is disagreement
  * じゃん **may be** considered a double negative ("isn't it?")
  * よね is a rhetorical question ("you see?")
  * I **don't** imagine posh people using じゃん
  * I **do** imagine posh people using よね
  * じゃん sounds childish and cute
  * よね sounds feminine

* * *

While I don't think じゃん is **stronger** over よね in terms of the message, I
agree with you for two reasons:

  * じゃん has a 濁音
  * Somehow for me it's easier to imagine someone hyped up choosing じゃん

* * *

You may even add "ね" at the end of じゃん:

  * A. そんなの無理じゃん **ね**
  * B. そんなの無理じゃん、 **ね？**
  * C. そんなの無理じゃん、 **ねぇ？**

If you ask me, these three have subtle differences:

  * A sounds like a dialect from the West
  * B is laughing it off ("haha seriously what an idiot")
  * C is rolling its eyes ("ugh, can't believe it")

* * *

> でしょ? だろう? What else?

  * (褒めてくれる or 褒めてくれてる) + **じゃない？**
  * (褒めてくれる or 褒めてくれてる) + **ことない？**
  * and more

And each of them may be mutated:

  * でございましょ？
  * ではございませんか？
  * ではござらぬか
  * ジャマイカ

Furthermore there are dialects:

  * じゃんね？
  * やん？
  * だら？
  * べ？

And so many more... although not all of them are universally compatible with
each other.

Following may work too:

  * おたく今日めっちゃ褒めてくれてる **ざましょ** ？
  * あなた今日めっちゃ褒めてくれてる **っしょ** ？

