Are there other examples of simplification like 稽→?


The adoption of almost 200 additional characters to the
[list](https://www.bunka.go.jp/kokugo_nihongo/sisaku/joho/joho/kijun/naikaku/pdf/joyokanjihyo_20101130.pdf)
of joyo kanji in 2010 introduced some discrepancies of simplifying certain
radicals. According to [an official supplement to the
list](https://www.bunka.go.jp/seisaku/bunkashingikai/kokugo/shoiinkai/iinkai_18/pdf/shiryo_5.pdf)(p.36-38),
the original and simplified versions are both considered acceptable.

A familiar example would be the 食 radical, which can be left asor simplified
as飠in 餅(もち). Other examples can be found in kanji with other shared elements
like 者 with 箸 and 賭, and 緑 with 剥.

One particular kanji that surprised me was 稽. Not only does this add a stroke
when simplified as , it also changes the sound element of 旨 according to [this
blog](https://blog.goo.ne.jp/ishiseiji/e/abcc9ea86c260e6df0c667a77fd0997c).

So my question is: is there any historical precedent to this simplification or
other (non-joyo) kanji that follow a similar trend?




Essentially answered in the comment, but hopefully the following clarifies
your question.

First of all, 常用漢字 is not about simplifying characters and almost never did,
except 燈 → 灯.
<https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B8%B8%E7%94%A8%E6%BC%A2%E5%AD%97#1981%E5%B9%B4%E3%81%AE%E5%88%B6%E5%AE%9A%E6%99%82%EF%BC%88%E5%BD%93%E7%94%A8%E6%BC%A2%E5%AD%97%E3%81%A8%E3%81%AE%E9%81%95%E3%81%84%EF%BC%89>

It is more about which characters are acceptable for official use, and the
linked document discusses fluctuations in some characters, including 稽 in your
question.

Simplification (in Japanese Kanji context) usually refers to the
simplification enforced in 1946, and that is 当用漢字.

Second, on the 旨 and 上+日 relationship, they are called variants (異体字). This
does not necessarily mean one is derived from the other, but rather that they
are listed as the same character in some old Chinese character dictionary.
<https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/kanji/%E7%A8%BD/>

So technically any kanji containing 旨 could have its 旨 replaced with 上+日.

That said, I guess 上+日 could be derived from 旨. Because

  * as noted in the linked document, 上+日 was conventional in 楷書体 which is the standard style in calligraphy (I mean Chinese calligraphy with brush)
  * Straight lines in 上 is easier to write than ヒ.
  * FYI 明朝体 is the standard style for printing (with movable types)

Lastly, though probably not the kind of answer you are asking for, but one
example where 常用漢字 have more stokes than its variant: 涼 vs 凉.

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Also I found the following.
<https://koikekaisho.hatenadiary.org/entry/20120201/1328061513>

It says 者 was originally without the dot, but later the dotted version was
introduced in a Chinese dictionary 説文解字 and made its way into 当用漢字.




Essentially answered in the comment, but hopefully the following clarifies
your question.

First of all, 常用漢字 is not about simplifying characters and almost never did,
except 燈 → 灯.
<https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B8%B8%E7%94%A8%E6%BC%A2%E5%AD%97#1981%E5%B9%B4%E3%81%AE%E5%88%B6%E5%AE%9A%E6%99%82%EF%BC%88%E5%BD%93%E7%94%A8%E6%BC%A2%E5%AD%97%E3%81%A8%E3%81%AE%E9%81%95%E3%81%84%EF%BC%89>

It is more about which characters are acceptable for official use, and the
linked document discusses fluctuations in some characters, including 稽 in your
question.

Simplification (in Japanese Kanji context) usually refers to the
simplification enforced in 1946, and that is 当用漢字.

Second, on the 旨 and 上+日 relationship, they are called variants (異体字). This
does not necessarily mean one is derived from the other, but rather that they
are listed as the same character in some old Chinese character dictionary.
<https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/kanji/%E7%A8%BD/>

So technically any kanji containing 旨 could have its 旨 replaced with 上+日.

That said, I guess 上+日 could be derived from 旨. Because

  * as noted in the linked document, 上+日 was conventional in 楷書体 which is the standard style in calligraphy (I mean Chinese calligraphy with brush)
  * Straight lines in 上 is easier to write than ヒ.
  * FYI 明朝体 is the standard style for printing (with movable types)

Lastly, though probably not the kind of answer you are asking for, but one
example where 常用漢字 have more stokes than its variant: 涼 vs 凉.

===

Also I found the following.
<https://koikekaisho.hatenadiary.org/entry/20120201/1328061513>

It says 者 was originally without the dot, but later the dotted version was
introduced in a Chinese dictionary 説文解字 and made its way into 当用漢字.

