Some questions about って


Here is a sentence from Dragon Ball :

> 一気にこれ以上修業した **って** 意味はない **って** 。限界までやったんだ。

悟空 says this to his son who's worried because they just chill out before a
battle instead of training until the last minute.

As far as I know, the second って means と言っている and is used to insist on what
precedes it, like : "And I'm telling you that..." in English. Am I right here?

As for the first って, I don't know if it means という, or even というのは :

> I'm telling you that it wouldn't have made sense to train more than that
> without pausing.

Or if, as I think, it's part of たって meaning ても :

> I'm telling you that even if we trained more than that without pausing, it
> wouldn't make sense.

Is there a way to tell one from the other when a word like 意味 comes after?




> 「[一気]{いっき}にこれ[以上]{いじょう}[修行]{しゅぎょう}した **って** [意味]{いみ}はない **って**
> 。[限界]{げんかい}までやったんだ。」
>
> "As far as I know, the second って means と言っている and is used to insist on what
> precedes it, like : "And I'm telling you that..." in English. Am I right
> here?"

Right. The second って is quotative, implying "Here is what I want to say and I
know what I'm talking about.".

> "As for the first って, I don't know if it means という, or even というのは"
>
> "Or if, as I think, it's part of たって meaning ても "

It is part of **たって** , which is the informal way of saying **ても or たとしても**.
These express a **non-resultative hypothetical condition** , which is why your
TL:

> "I'm telling you that even if we trained more than that without pausing, it
> wouldn't make sense."

could not be any better.

> "Is there a way to tell one from the other when a word like 意味 comes after?"

You would need to look at the whole phrase, not just the single word,
following the って -- in this case, 「意味はない」. If the phrase after the って seems
contradictory to the phrase before, you have what I called the "non-
resultative hypothetical condition" above. In the sentence in question, the
two phrases are "to train hard" and "it is nonsense".

I could, however, easily form a sentence containing a 「って意味」 in which って
actually can be replaced by という rather than by ても or たとしても.

「その[単語]{たんご}に『[食]{た}べる』って意味はないよ。」= The word does not have the meaning of "to
eat".

So, you would need to pay attention to the whole context as usual.




> 「[一気]{いっき}にこれ[以上]{いじょう}[修行]{しゅぎょう}した **って** [意味]{いみ}はない **って**
> 。[限界]{げんかい}までやったんだ。」
>
> "As far as I know, the second って means と言っている and is used to insist on what
> precedes it, like : "And I'm telling you that..." in English. Am I right
> here?"

Right. The second って is quotative, implying "Here is what I want to say and I
know what I'm talking about.".

> "As for the first って, I don't know if it means という, or even というのは"
>
> "Or if, as I think, it's part of たって meaning ても "

It is part of **たって** , which is the informal way of saying **ても or たとしても**.
These express a **non-resultative hypothetical condition** , which is why your
TL:

> "I'm telling you that even if we trained more than that without pausing, it
> wouldn't make sense."

could not be any better.

> "Is there a way to tell one from the other when a word like 意味 comes after?"

You would need to look at the whole phrase, not just the single word,
following the って -- in this case, 「意味はない」. If the phrase after the って seems
contradictory to the phrase before, you have what I called the "non-
resultative hypothetical condition" above. In the sentence in question, the
two phrases are "to train hard" and "it is nonsense".

I could, however, easily form a sentence containing a 「って意味」 in which って
actually can be replaced by という rather than by ても or たとしても.

「その[単語]{たんご}に『[食]{た}べる』って意味はないよ。」= The word does not have the meaning of "to
eat".

So, you would need to pay attention to the whole context as usual.

