Does 関係 use particle に or と?


> 「さっきから七夕 **に** 関係ねェもンばっかり吊りさがってやがるなぁ」  
>  These days they only hang things which are unrelated to Tanabata.  
>  These days, on Tanabata, they only hang unrelated things.

I would have expected the particle と to be used in place of に for my first
translation attempt, which is why I also gave the second attempt.

Which translation is correct? Is there any ambiguity? Can 関係 take both と and
に? Is there a difference in nuance?




> 「さっきから七夕{たなばた}に関係{かんけい}ねェもンばっかり吊{つ}りさがってやがるなぁ」
>
> These days they only hang things which are unrelated to Tanabata.
>
> These days, on Tanabata, they only hang unrelated things.

First off, both 「～～ **に** 関係ある/ない」 and 「～～ **と** 関係ある/ない」 are correct and used
equally often. To say there is a difference in nuance would be nitpicking.
Thus, in the sentence above, the 「に」 can be replaced by a 「と」 without changing
its meaning the least bit.

Exceptions: When talking about having a man-woman relationship, only 「(person)
**と** 関係がある」 can be used.

Moving on to your translations..

Your first translation is good **though it is a free TL**. The original does
not say "these days" or "they". The subject of the original sentence is 「もン」,
which refers to the decorations themselves, not the people who hang them.

「吊りさ **が** る」 is an intransitive verb. Things are the subject.

「吊りさ **げ** る」 is a transitive verb. People are the subject.

**But your first TL certainly captures nicely the essence of the original**.

Your second TL is way off, I am afraid. The original does not say "on
Tanabata".

My own TL:

> "For quite a while, (I've been noticing that) mostly things that are
> unrelated to Tanabata are hanging (here)."




> 「さっきから七夕{たなばた}に関係{かんけい}ねェもンばっかり吊{つ}りさがってやがるなぁ」
>
> These days they only hang things which are unrelated to Tanabata.
>
> These days, on Tanabata, they only hang unrelated things.

First off, both 「～～ **に** 関係ある/ない」 and 「～～ **と** 関係ある/ない」 are correct and used
equally often. To say there is a difference in nuance would be nitpicking.
Thus, in the sentence above, the 「に」 can be replaced by a 「と」 without changing
its meaning the least bit.

Exceptions: When talking about having a man-woman relationship, only 「(person)
**と** 関係がある」 can be used.

Moving on to your translations..

Your first translation is good **though it is a free TL**. The original does
not say "these days" or "they". The subject of the original sentence is 「もン」,
which refers to the decorations themselves, not the people who hang them.

「吊りさ **が** る」 is an intransitive verb. Things are the subject.

「吊りさ **げ** る」 is a transitive verb. People are the subject.

**But your first TL certainly captures nicely the essence of the original**.

Your second TL is way off, I am afraid. The original does not say "on
Tanabata".

My own TL:

> "For quite a while, (I've been noticing that) mostly things that are
> unrelated to Tanabata are hanging (here)."

