Meaning of これでもかという forms


Sorry to ask a vague question, but I hope someone could explain what these
following expression amount to.

> これでもかって
>
> これでもかってほど
>
> これでもかってぐらいに

I thought I would figure this out eventually but well I don't there is only
about a dozen sources on this expression each never reaffirming.

_Even with this, to this degree_ , was my best guess. What I have read seem to
suggest that it highlights the degree or choice of action as excessive but I
don't even know anymore. I hope someone will kindly teach me how to understand
this.

Here are some samples from Youtube titles,

**こぼれいくらがたまらない！これでもかって程の大粒いくら丼！**

**ウルトラマンFE3 これでもかというぐらいに撃つ**

**これでもかってくらいのドロップキック！**




「これでもか」 is an expression used rather heavily in mostly informal speech.

I would suggest that you think of it as an **embedded question** within a
longer sentence. The 「か」 is indeed a question marker. This should also explain
why the quotative particle 「と」 or 「って」 will always follow.

「これでも」, by itself, means "even (with) this (amount/degree)."

So, what is the question implied by 「これでもか」? It should generally be along the
lines of:

> "Isn't this enough?"
>
> "Aren't you satisfied with this amount/degree/frequency?"
>
> "Wouldn't you call this an onslaught?"

Thus, by adding 「ってほど」、「ってぐらいに」, 「というほど」, etc. to 「これでもか」, you are essentially
saying:

> "as if to say 'Isn't this enough?'"

That is why I had to mention the quotative particles that go with the
expression in question. The heavy use of embedded questions is a feature of
our language, which is why we use 「という」、「っていう」、「っつう」、「っちゅう」, etc. all day
everyday. We love to quote things without having Japanese-learners even notice
it. To prove it, SE is full of questions about this.

> こぼれいくらがたまらない！これでもかって程の大粒いくら丼！

describes the surprisingly large amount of salmon roe poured on the rice. "as
if to say 'Aren't you satisfied with _**this**_ amount of salmon roe?'"

> ウルトラマンFE3 これでもかというぐらいに撃つ

expresses the intensity of his attack. "as if to say 'Isn't this enough
shooting?'"

> これでもかってくらいのドロップキック！

describes the strength or the unexpectedly large number of the kicks. Which
one it refers to, we do not know without further context.




「これでもか」 is an expression used rather heavily in mostly informal speech.

I would suggest that you think of it as an **embedded question** within a
longer sentence. The 「か」 is indeed a question marker. This should also explain
why the quotative particle 「と」 or 「って」 will always follow.

「これでも」, by itself, means "even (with) this (amount/degree)."

So, what is the question implied by 「これでもか」? It should generally be along the
lines of:

> "Isn't this enough?"
>
> "Aren't you satisfied with this amount/degree/frequency?"
>
> "Wouldn't you call this an onslaught?"

Thus, by adding 「ってほど」、「ってぐらいに」, 「というほど」, etc. to 「これでもか」, you are essentially
saying:

> "as if to say 'Isn't this enough?'"

That is why I had to mention the quotative particles that go with the
expression in question. The heavy use of embedded questions is a feature of
our language, which is why we use 「という」、「っていう」、「っつう」、「っちゅう」, etc. all day
everyday. We love to quote things without having Japanese-learners even notice
it. To prove it, SE is full of questions about this.

> こぼれいくらがたまらない！これでもかって程の大粒いくら丼！

describes the surprisingly large amount of salmon roe poured on the rice. "as
if to say 'Aren't you satisfied with _**this**_ amount of salmon roe?'"

> ウルトラマンFE3 これでもかというぐらいに撃つ

expresses the intensity of his attack. "as if to say 'Isn't this enough
shooting?'"

> これでもかってくらいのドロップキック！

describes the strength or the unexpectedly large number of the kicks. Which
one it refers to, we do not know without further context.

