Why in this example sentence there's no difference between ごとに and おきに?


I am using the "A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar" to help me with
Japanese studies. As explained from page 128 on I understood the difference
between ごとに and おきに.

For example:

  * ２日おきに = every third day
  * ２日ごとに = every second day

The Answer [what is the difference between ごとに and
おきに?](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/11195/what-is-the-
difference-between-%E3%81%94%E3%81%A8%E3%81%AB-
and-%E3%81%8A%E3%81%8D%E3%81%AB/) also backs this understanding.

Now in the mentioned grammar book there is one last example where both forms
do yield the same meaning.

Quoting:

> When a time expression precedes oki no or goto ni, there is no difference in
> meaning, if an event takes place at one point in time:  
>  [電車]{でんしゃ}は[五分]{ごふん}おきに／ごとに[出]{で}る = The train leaves every five minutes.

I don't get the difference between this "time expression" and the other ones
like 二日. Can somebody give me a hint here?




`毎【ごと】に` means "every", so `2日ごとに` is "every second day".

On the other hand, `X置【お】きに` literally means "leaving (an amount of
time/space/...) X (between each occurence)". It comes from the verb `置く`, "to
put", "to place", "to leave (sth. somewhere)".

[Here is an article from NHK's 身近なことばの疑問にお答えします about ごとに and
おきに.](http://www.nhk.or.jp/kininaru-blog/55096.html)

So how come `おきに` sometimes means the same as `ごとに`, and sometimes not? Let's
think about English for a moment, the same phenomenon happens in English as
well.

Let A and B be two events separated by a certain amount of time. How much time
is there _between_ A and B? You might be tempted to answer `B minus A`, but
there are two different answers, depending on how we count time:

> (a) There are **5** minutes between A = 1:05 am and B = 1:10 am. B - A =
> **5** minutes. This is 5分おきに - leaving 5 minutes between A and B.
>
> (b) There are **2** days between A = Monday and B = Thursday. B - A = **3**
> days, not(!) two. This is 2日おきに - leaving two days between A and B.

The difference between these two cases is that in (a), time as measured in
hours, minutes, seconds etc. is considered _continous_ (uncountable) - there's
5 minutes, 5.3 minutes, 5.000321 minutes and so on. In scenario (b), time
counted as weekdays or as a number of days is considered _discrete_
(countable) - there's Monday and Tuesday, but nothing in between, we don't
talk about `Monday and a half`.

To illustrate this point:

[code]

    1 2 3 4 5
    
[/code]

How many numbers are there between 1 and 5? Three, namely 2, 3, and 4.

[code]

    The scale of a measuring cup (for water)
    
    |---+---+---+---+---| 
    0   1   2   3   4   5 (deciliter)
    
[/code]

How many milliliters are there between 1 dl and 5 dl? The answer is 400 ml = 4
dl, not 3 dl.

* * *

**Conclusion:**

Both `おきに` and `ごとに` have got only one basic meaning. Depending on the noun
they apply to, both can refer to the same (temporal) interval.

  * 2日ごとに every 2 (week) days
  * 2分ごとに every 2 minutes
  * 2日おきに 2 (week) days between each occurence
  * 2分おきに 2 minutes between each occurence

A day consists of 24 hours. Note the difference between `48 hours between two
events` and `2 days between two events`. And would you say that there are 2880
minutes between Monday and Thursday?

If you were looking at a clock face with each minute marked individually,
`2分おきに` might mean something different.

Note that this is not limited to temporal intervals. `一行おきに書く` "write on every
other line", `5メートルおきに杭【くい】を立てる` "place stakes with a space of five meters in
between".

* * *

To put it another way, you take the open interval (A,B). In the case of a
continous variable, everything just a split second after 1:00 am is part of
that interval, and thus you get 5 minutes between 1:00 am and 1:05 am. But in
the case of a discrete variable, you get less. Consider (Monday,Thursday),
Monday midnight + 1hour is not part of the interval because you're counting
only in days, but not hours. There's only Monday and Tuesday, but nothing in
between. So you get only two days inside the interval (Monday,Thursday), even
though Thursday is 3 days after Monday.




`毎【ごと】に` means "every", so `2日ごとに` is "every second day".

On the other hand, `X置【お】きに` literally means "leaving (an amount of
time/space/...) X (between each occurence)". It comes from the verb `置く`, "to
put", "to place", "to leave (sth. somewhere)".

[Here is an article from NHK's 身近なことばの疑問にお答えします about ごとに and
おきに.](http://www.nhk.or.jp/kininaru-blog/55096.html)

So how come `おきに` sometimes means the same as `ごとに`, and sometimes not? Let's
think about English for a moment, the same phenomenon happens in English as
well.

Let A and B be two events separated by a certain amount of time. How much time
is there _between_ A and B? You might be tempted to answer `B minus A`, but
there are two different answers, depending on how we count time:

> (a) There are **5** minutes between A = 1:05 am and B = 1:10 am. B - A =
> **5** minutes. This is 5分おきに - leaving 5 minutes between A and B.
>
> (b) There are **2** days between A = Monday and B = Thursday. B - A = **3**
> days, not(!) two. This is 2日おきに - leaving two days between A and B.

The difference between these two cases is that in (a), time as measured in
hours, minutes, seconds etc. is considered _continous_ (uncountable) - there's
5 minutes, 5.3 minutes, 5.000321 minutes and so on. In scenario (b), time
counted as weekdays or as a number of days is considered _discrete_
(countable) - there's Monday and Tuesday, but nothing in between, we don't
talk about `Monday and a half`.

To illustrate this point:

[code]

    1 2 3 4 5
    
[/code]

How many numbers are there between 1 and 5? Three, namely 2, 3, and 4.

[code]

    The scale of a measuring cup (for water)
    
    |---+---+---+---+---| 
    0   1   2   3   4   5 (deciliter)
    
[/code]

How many milliliters are there between 1 dl and 5 dl? The answer is 400 ml = 4
dl, not 3 dl.

* * *

**Conclusion:**

Both `おきに` and `ごとに` have got only one basic meaning. Depending on the noun
they apply to, both can refer to the same (temporal) interval.

  * 2日ごとに every 2 (week) days
  * 2分ごとに every 2 minutes
  * 2日おきに 2 (week) days between each occurence
  * 2分おきに 2 minutes between each occurence

A day consists of 24 hours. Note the difference between `48 hours between two
events` and `2 days between two events`. And would you say that there are 2880
minutes between Monday and Thursday?

If you were looking at a clock face with each minute marked individually,
`2分おきに` might mean something different.

Note that this is not limited to temporal intervals. `一行おきに書く` "write on every
other line", `5メートルおきに杭【くい】を立てる` "place stakes with a space of five meters in
between".

* * *

To put it another way, you take the open interval (A,B). In the case of a
continous variable, everything just a split second after 1:00 am is part of
that interval, and thus you get 5 minutes between 1:00 am and 1:05 am. But in
the case of a discrete variable, you get less. Consider (Monday,Thursday),
Monday midnight + 1hour is not part of the interval because you're counting
only in days, but not hours. There's only Monday and Tuesday, but nothing in
between. So you get only two days inside the interval (Monday,Thursday), even
though Thursday is 3 days after Monday.

