征伐, せいばつ, seibatsu: a conquest or a 'righteous conquest'?


征伐, せいばつ, _seibatsu_

An old Japanese friend suggested that 征伐, “conquest,” has a moral tone to it
and might be better translated as “righteous conquest,” however, most
dictionaries simply define it as a "conquest, invasion, subjugation,
overcoming, or punitive expedition." Similarly, _ukiyo-e_ titles in various
museums translate 征伐 as "conquest."

A few notes:

  1. In Emiko Ohnuki-Tierney's _Kamikaze, Cherry Blossoms, and Nationalisms: The Militarization of Aesthetics in Japanese History_ (University of Chicago Press, 2002), mention is made that: "In 1894, the year when the Sino-Japanese War started, Sasaki Nobutsuna [...] a highly regarded scholar of classical poetry, composed a lengthy song entitled _The Song of the Conquest of the Chinese_ ( _Shina seibatsu no uta_ ). The song is replete with references to mountain cherry blossoms fragrant in the morning sun and to the sacrifice of the Japanese for the country/emperor." The text goes on to say that the word _seibatsu_ has a "special meaning: it is used for conquests of those who deserve to be vanquished, such as ogres or barbarians."

  2. Though my Japanese is poor, when I was looking at Japanese Wikipedia entries on the Battle of Ōshū ( _Ōshū kassen_ , 奥州合戦), I gleaned the following: the Battle of Ōshū is a general, collective phrase used to describe Yoritomo’s invasion of the province, and is a modern, neutral term used in preference to moral and 'biased' descriptions of the battle as _Ōshū tsuitō_ (奥州追討, the “chase and defeat” at Ōshū, a "tracking down and killing; a punitive expedition" in Ōshū), and _Ōshū seibatsu_ (奥州征伐, the “righteous conquest” of Ōshū).

So can anyone shed light on the word 征伐, _seibatsu_ , its etymology and/or the
subtleties of its use? If one is looking at C19th and pre-C19th texts is it
better to translate the word as 'righteous conquest' (or similar) so there is
a historically moral emphasis?




From [Wikipedia](https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BE%81%E4%BC%90):

> **征伐** （せいばつ、conquest または
> subjugation）とは、反乱を起こした勢力を鎮圧したり、反社会的な犯罪集団・賊などを、武力で処罰（懲罰）したりすることをいう。実際にはプロパガンダ（政治宣伝）として、公権力を背景とし、政治的に敵対する勢力に対して武力行使（攻撃・侵攻・侵略）をしかけるときに使われることが多い。対象は敵国や異民族の場合もある。「征服」に比べて「政敵・及び政府の敵を懲らしめる」という意味合いが強い。

So it's not a neutral word but is a subjective and condescending word that
does have a connotation of "defeating the evil", "suppressing insurgency" or
even "showing power to savage people". In reality, it's often merely a means
to justify what a government is doing; it has been used against what they
considered as "public enemies". Indeed, 征伐 sounds "glorious" as long as you
are on the government's side. On the other hand, modern historians, who need
to be objective and understand the meaning of [this
proverb](https://jisho.org/word/%E5%8B%9D%E3%81%A6%E3%81%B0%E5%AE%98%E8%BB%8D%E8%B2%A0%E3%81%91%E3%82%8C%E3%81%B0%E8%B3%8A%E8%BB%8D),
tend to avoid 征伐.

討伐 also has a very similar connotation, but it's used with a single
(subjectively "evil") enemy or a small group of enemies (e.g., 勇者が魔王を討伐する).




From [Wikipedia](https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BE%81%E4%BC%90):

> **征伐** （せいばつ、conquest または
> subjugation）とは、反乱を起こした勢力を鎮圧したり、反社会的な犯罪集団・賊などを、武力で処罰（懲罰）したりすることをいう。実際にはプロパガンダ（政治宣伝）として、公権力を背景とし、政治的に敵対する勢力に対して武力行使（攻撃・侵攻・侵略）をしかけるときに使われることが多い。対象は敵国や異民族の場合もある。「征服」に比べて「政敵・及び政府の敵を懲らしめる」という意味合いが強い。

So it's not a neutral word but is a subjective and condescending word that
does have a connotation of "defeating the evil", "suppressing insurgency" or
even "showing power to savage people". In reality, it's often merely a means
to justify what a government is doing; it has been used against what they
considered as "public enemies". Indeed, 征伐 sounds "glorious" as long as you
are on the government's side. On the other hand, modern historians, who need
to be objective and understand the meaning of [this
proverb](https://jisho.org/word/%E5%8B%9D%E3%81%A6%E3%81%B0%E5%AE%98%E8%BB%8D%E8%B2%A0%E3%81%91%E3%82%8C%E3%81%B0%E8%B3%8A%E8%BB%8D),
tend to avoid 征伐.

討伐 also has a very similar connotation, but it's used with a single
(subjectively "evil") enemy or a small group of enemies (e.g., 勇者が魔王を討伐する).

