What is the role of まで in this sentence?


I am not sure about the function of the second まで in the last sentence below:

> 美少女ゲームの創生期で、最も重要な作品と言えば・・・「プリンセスメーカー」、それと「同級生」と言えるでしょう! 究極、この2つだけでも現在までのゲーム
> **まで** 全部語れるといっても過言ではない。

I think the second まで marks an object for 語れる? In this case, 現在までのゲームまで全部語れる
should mean something like "serve as a model for modern games." In other
words, the overall structure of modern games hasn't changed much from the
past?




Yes, your understanding is correct. This sentence looks slightly clumsy to me,
but the two まで are used in different ways:

  * The first まで is a particle meaning "until". 現在までのゲーム is "games up to the present".
  * The second まで is "even", which is a [副助詞](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/100239/5010) that can replace が/を. So 現在までのゲーム is the direct object of 語れる. The author is saying you can explain/discuss all the past (bishōjo) games only by mentioning the two games.




Yes, your understanding is correct. This sentence looks slightly clumsy to me,
but the two まで are used in different ways:

  * The first まで is a particle meaning "until". 現在までのゲーム is "games up to the present".
  * The second まで is "even", which is a [副助詞](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/100239/5010) that can replace が/を. So 現在までのゲーム is the direct object of 語れる. The author is saying you can explain/discuss all the past (bishōjo) games only by mentioning the two games.

