How many Shinjitai and Kyūjitai characters are there?


Kanji | Jōyō | Jinmeiyō | Hyōgai  
---|---|---|---  
Shinjitai | 2127 | ? | 0  
Kyūjitai | 0 | ? | ?  
Kokuji | 9 | 16 | 0  
Total | 2136 | 863 | ?  
  
I wonder if the above table is the exact concept of the use of Kanji in
Japanese language. Can you help me fill the table correctly if the concept is
true? By shinjitai I mean the formal one not extended and by Kyūjitai I mean
both traditional and simplified.




Drawing a line between concepts that are directly opposite to each other might
be helpful. In your single table, different classifications and concepts are
mixed up, it might have more sense to have separated tables for each concern,
where each table deals with one of such pair of opposite concepts. This would
yield the following tables:

  * Shinjitai / Kyuujitai
  * Jōyō / Hyōgai
  * Kokuji / Kanji (where kanji means characters of Chinese origin, not the whole lot of kanji)
  * Jinmeiyō

That said, let's take a look at your numbers. I will answer only in regards of
Jōyō, Jinmeiyō, Hyōgai and Kokuji categories. I will not look at Shinjitai and
Kyūjitai. As [Leebo pointed
out](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/83956/how-many-shinjitai-
and-ky%c5%abjitai-characters-are-there#comment136271_83956), it would help if
you clarify what you mean by Shinjitai and Kyūjitai as well as what you mean
by "[confirmation that] the table is true is more important to me than the
numbers" (as I see it, the table will be true as long as the numbers are
correct).

For the answers below, I used
[KANJIDIC2](http://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/KANJIDIC_Project) as the data
source for kanji by doing queries in jisho.org.

## Jōyō

  * Jisho.org returns [2136 results](https://jisho.org/search/%23joyo%20%23kanji) for Jōyō kanji, like your source.
  * Jisho.org returns [9 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23joyo%20%23kanji) for kanji that are both Jōyō and Kokuji, like your source.

## Jinmeiyō

  1. Jisho.org returns [862 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23kanji) instead of 863 for Jinmeiyō kanji, so it seems there's a little discrepancy with your source.
  2. Jisho.org returns [16 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23jinmei%20%23kanji) for kanji that are both Jinmeiyō and Kokuji, like your source.

## Kokuji

  * Jisho.org returns [9 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23joyo%20%23kanji) for kanji that are both Jōyō and Kokuji, like your source.
  * Jisho.org returns [16 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23jinmei%20%23kanji) for kanji that are both Jinmeiyō and Kokuji, like your source.
  * However, Jisho.org returns [164 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23kanji) for Kokuji kanji! this means that there are (164 - 16) = 155 Kokuji kanji that fall into the Hyōgai category, which is a **remarkable difference** with your source.

## Hyōgai

If Hyōgai kanji are "non-jōyō kanji; kanji outside the common-use kanji list"
(see [this definition](https://jisho.org/word/%E8%A1%A8%E5%A4%96%E5%AD%97)),
then the Hyōgai column in your table is not providing new information and you
can figure it out directly from the Jōyō column, provided you know how many
kanji are there in total, by calculating (Total - Jōyō) for each row.

I didn't find a way to get the total count of kanji in Jisho.org, but anyway
[the total amount of existing kanji depends on the authoritative source you
look at](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/11735/how-many-kanji-
characters-are-there).

## Updated table

All in all, and disregarding Shinjitai and Kyuujitai kanji, the updated table
(updates shown in **bold** ) looks like this:

Kanji | Jōyō | Jinmeiyō | Hyōgai  
---|---|---|---  
Kokuji | 9 | 16 | **Total - 9**  
Total | 2136 | **862** | **Total - 2136**




Drawing a line between concepts that are directly opposite to each other might
be helpful. In your single table, different classifications and concepts are
mixed up, it might have more sense to have separated tables for each concern,
where each table deals with one of such pair of opposite concepts. This would
yield the following tables:

  * Shinjitai / Kyuujitai
  * Jōyō / Hyōgai
  * Kokuji / Kanji (where kanji means characters of Chinese origin, not the whole lot of kanji)
  * Jinmeiyō

That said, let's take a look at your numbers. I will answer only in regards of
Jōyō, Jinmeiyō, Hyōgai and Kokuji categories. I will not look at Shinjitai and
Kyūjitai. As [Leebo pointed
out](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/83956/how-many-shinjitai-
and-ky%c5%abjitai-characters-are-there#comment136271_83956), it would help if
you clarify what you mean by Shinjitai and Kyūjitai as well as what you mean
by "[confirmation that] the table is true is more important to me than the
numbers" (as I see it, the table will be true as long as the numbers are
correct).

For the answers below, I used
[KANJIDIC2](http://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/KANJIDIC_Project) as the data
source for kanji by doing queries in jisho.org.

## Jōyō

  * Jisho.org returns [2136 results](https://jisho.org/search/%23joyo%20%23kanji) for Jōyō kanji, like your source.
  * Jisho.org returns [9 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23joyo%20%23kanji) for kanji that are both Jōyō and Kokuji, like your source.

## Jinmeiyō

  1. Jisho.org returns [862 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23kanji) instead of 863 for Jinmeiyō kanji, so it seems there's a little discrepancy with your source.
  2. Jisho.org returns [16 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23jinmei%20%23kanji) for kanji that are both Jinmeiyō and Kokuji, like your source.

## Kokuji

  * Jisho.org returns [9 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23joyo%20%23kanji) for kanji that are both Jōyō and Kokuji, like your source.
  * Jisho.org returns [16 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23jinmei%20%23kanji) for kanji that are both Jinmeiyō and Kokuji, like your source.
  * However, Jisho.org returns [164 results](https://jisho.org/search/%20%22\(kokuji\)%22%20%23kanji) for Kokuji kanji! this means that there are (164 - 16) = 155 Kokuji kanji that fall into the Hyōgai category, which is a **remarkable difference** with your source.

## Hyōgai

If Hyōgai kanji are "non-jōyō kanji; kanji outside the common-use kanji list"
(see [this definition](https://jisho.org/word/%E8%A1%A8%E5%A4%96%E5%AD%97)),
then the Hyōgai column in your table is not providing new information and you
can figure it out directly from the Jōyō column, provided you know how many
kanji are there in total, by calculating (Total - Jōyō) for each row.

I didn't find a way to get the total count of kanji in Jisho.org, but anyway
[the total amount of existing kanji depends on the authoritative source you
look at](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/11735/how-many-kanji-
characters-are-there).

## Updated table

All in all, and disregarding Shinjitai and Kyuujitai kanji, the updated table
(updates shown in **bold** ) looks like this:

Kanji | Jōyō | Jinmeiyō | Hyōgai  
---|---|---|---  
Kokuji | 9 | 16 | **Total - 9**  
Total | 2136 | **862** | **Total - 2136**

