Usage of ~まんねん (関西弁)


Steven Seagal stars in two TV advertisements for the energy drink
[アリナミン](http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8A%E3%83%9F%E3%83%B3),
as seen [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2_UH_XoZ_I) and
[here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCzkujr1hkU). In the first commercial he
is shown using martial arts two dispatch his opponents, while in the second he
is depicted clinging to the top of a car involved in a police chase. In both
ads he looks worn out and the voice-over says 「こう見えても、疲れまんねん」.

Wikipedia gives the example of 行きます becoming 行きまんねん on the [大阪弁
page](http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E9%98%AA%E5%BC%81#.E8.A1.A8.E7.8F.BE),
so 疲れまんねん presumably corresponds to 疲れます in 標準語.

How commonly is ~まんねん used?
[This](http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1320470853)
answer from Yahoo! 知恵袋 suggests it's rare - if this is so, are the Seagal ads
trying to portray a certain image by using this pattern?




I sometimes hear ~~まんねん used to mean ~~んです in Osaka/Kansai. I think they
use...  

>   * ちゃいますねん/ちゃいまんねん to mean 違うんです (the polite forms)  
>  (We use ちゃうんです to mean 違うんです in Kyoto.)  
>
>   * ちゃうねん to mean 違うんだ (the casual forms)  
>
>   * ちゃいます to mean 違います (the polite forms)  
>
>

So I'd say...  

>   * 疲れまんねん means 疲れるんです (the polite forms)  
>
>   * 疲れんねん means 疲れるんだ (the casual forms)  
>
>

* * *

> How commonly is ~まんねん used?  
>

I think we often hear older men in Osaka use ~~まんねん. We don't expect young
people like high school/college students or stylish businessmen in smart suits
& ties to say 疲れまんねん (unless they're joking) even if they're from Osaka.

> ...are the Seagal ads trying to portray a certain image by using this
> pattern?  
>

Likewise, we expect an action star like Steven Seagal to always look cool and
perfect. We don't expect him to look exhausted and whine 疲れまんねん, right after
he dispatches his opponents or in the middle of a car chase. (The こう in こう見えても
refers to something like "He's doing all these things with no difficulty.")
And, he abruptly confesses; "こう見えても、疲れまんねん" in a tone that an older male
Osakan in shabby clothes would use. This is quite unexpected, so that's why
the commercials are pretty funny to us, draw attention and remain in our
memories (and actually that's what they'd want their TV commercials to be, no?
^^) P.S. Sorry for my poor English.. please feel free to edit, TIA ^^




I'm a Japanese from Niigata Prefecture, but I've came across a lot of people
from Kansai.

「疲れまんねん」is just a way of saying「疲れますねん」.

「ねん」is almost added to any Kansaiben phrase. Such as:

  * 「違います」is「ちゃうねん」in Kansaiben.
  * 「なんですか？」is「なんやねん？」in Kansaiben.

Sometimes it is **'embedded'** inside phrases.

  * 「そうとは違います」is「そうとちゃうねんな」in Kansaiben.

「ねん」is basically「だよ」「なの」「なのだ。」Swap it into the three possibilities and try to
guess which matches the best.

