Can 思う take を and と at the same time?


Consider the following sentence:

> Bobはこの女の子を自分の子供と思って育てることにしました。
>
> Bob thought of this girl as his own and decided to raise her (my rough
> translation).

I have several problems with it:

  1. It is hard to think of an example where I would expect 思う to take an object, other than when thinking **about** something e.g. 母のことを思う. I wonder if the を here is the object of 育てる rather than 思う. Which leads me to ask can を act through a て joining two clauses such that it is the object of the second clause?
  2. I've never seen 〜と思うcome after anything other than a verb/adjective/copula. Can it act on a noun e.g. 猫と思う (I'm thinking of cats)?
  3. If I were asked to translate into Japanese I would probably try something like Bobはこの女の子が自分の子供だと思って育てることにしました。Would this be wrong and, if so, why?
  4. Can someone please break down the original sentence to explain why it is correct?




>   1. It is hard to think of an example where I would expect 思う to take an
> object, other than when thinking about something e.g. 母のことを思う. I wonder if
> the を here is the object of 育てる rather than 思う.
>

It would help you if you could somehow forget the notion "思う = 'to think'" for
a moment. I could be wrong but I feel that might be what is preventing you
from understanding this.

**_"To regard A as B"_** is the expression that I would like you to consider
here because, frankly, that is what 「AをBと思う」 means in the given context. Yes,
「思う」 can take 「を」 and 「と」 at the same time.

> Which leads me to ask can を act through a て joining two clauses such that it
> is the object of the second clause?

If you are seeing two clauses in that sentence, it is a proof that you are
reading the sentence structure incorrectly.

It is not in the structure of "One does thing A **_and then_** he goes on to
do thing B." That is not the usage of 「て」 in the sentence in question. The 「て」
here expresses simultaneity of (1) raising the girl and (2) regarding the girl
as his own. Your translation says another thing.

>   2. I've never seen 〜と思うcome after anything other than a
> verb/adjective/copula. Can it act on a noun e.g. 猫と思う (I'm thinking of
> cats)?
>

「猫と思う。」 does **_not_** mean "I'm thinking of cats." That would be
「猫のことを考えている。」 or 「猫のことを思っている。」.

「猫と思う。」, all by itslef, does not really mean anything. 「猫 **だと** 思う。」 means "I
think it is a cat." as an answer to the question "What animal do you think
that is?"

>   3. If I were asked to translate into Japanese I would probably try
> something like Bobはこの女の子が自分の子供だと思って育てることにしました。Would this be wrong and, if
> so, why?
>

No, it would not be wrong; It actualy sounds pretty natural as well.

>   4. Can someone please break down the original sentence to explain why it
> is correct?
>

It is more than correct and grammatical; It is perfectly natural on the native
level (except, perhaps, for the silly-looking "Bob" part.).

> 「Bobはこの[女]{おんな}の[子]{こ}を[自分]{じぶん}の[子供]{こども}と[思]{おも}って[育]{そだ}てることにしました。」

Bob made a decision. ← 「Bob は～～～～ことにしました。」

What was his decision? It was 「この女の子を自分の子供と思って育てる」.

「この女の子を自分の子供と思って育てる」

= "Performing Action 「この女の子を自分の子供と思う」 and Action「（その子を）育てる」 simultaneously."

Put it all together and you should have:

**_"Bob decided to raise this girl by regarding her as his own (child)."_**




>   1. It is hard to think of an example where I would expect 思う to take an
> object, other than when thinking about something e.g. 母のことを思う. I wonder if
> the を here is the object of 育てる rather than 思う.
>

It would help you if you could somehow forget the notion "思う = 'to think'" for
a moment. I could be wrong but I feel that might be what is preventing you
from understanding this.

**_"To regard A as B"_** is the expression that I would like you to consider
here because, frankly, that is what 「AをBと思う」 means in the given context. Yes,
「思う」 can take 「を」 and 「と」 at the same time.

> Which leads me to ask can を act through a て joining two clauses such that it
> is the object of the second clause?

If you are seeing two clauses in that sentence, it is a proof that you are
reading the sentence structure incorrectly.

It is not in the structure of "One does thing A **_and then_** he goes on to
do thing B." That is not the usage of 「て」 in the sentence in question. The 「て」
here expresses simultaneity of (1) raising the girl and (2) regarding the girl
as his own. Your translation says another thing.

>   2. I've never seen 〜と思うcome after anything other than a
> verb/adjective/copula. Can it act on a noun e.g. 猫と思う (I'm thinking of
> cats)?
>

「猫と思う。」 does **_not_** mean "I'm thinking of cats." That would be
「猫のことを考えている。」 or 「猫のことを思っている。」.

「猫と思う。」, all by itslef, does not really mean anything. 「猫 **だと** 思う。」 means "I
think it is a cat." as an answer to the question "What animal do you think
that is?"

>   3. If I were asked to translate into Japanese I would probably try
> something like Bobはこの女の子が自分の子供だと思って育てることにしました。Would this be wrong and, if
> so, why?
>

No, it would not be wrong; It actualy sounds pretty natural as well.

>   4. Can someone please break down the original sentence to explain why it
> is correct?
>

It is more than correct and grammatical; It is perfectly natural on the native
level (except, perhaps, for the silly-looking "Bob" part.).

> 「Bobはこの[女]{おんな}の[子]{こ}を[自分]{じぶん}の[子供]{こども}と[思]{おも}って[育]{そだ}てることにしました。」

Bob made a decision. ← 「Bob は～～～～ことにしました。」

What was his decision? It was 「この女の子を自分の子供と思って育てる」.

「この女の子を自分の子供と思って育てる」

= "Performing Action 「この女の子を自分の子供と思う」 and Action「（その子を）育てる」 simultaneously."

Put it all together and you should have:

**_"Bob decided to raise this girl by regarding her as his own (child)."_**

