kanji composition question -- why these radicals for 出?


My explanatory Kanji dictionary lists 山 and 冂 as radicals used in 出. I see how
the first one would be used, but cannot understand the reasoning for the
second one.

I see two alternatives:

  * 冂 is used to give the reading of 出 

Or, more likely

  * I don't fully understand the idea behind radicals :-)

Could someone please explain?




This is just the opinion of your dictionary. According to the KRADFILE, 出 has
these radicals:

[code]

    #
    #                           K R A D F I L E
    #
    #       Copyright 2001/2005 Michael Raine, James Breen and the Electronic
    #       Dictionary Research & Development Group at Monash University.
    #       See: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/groups/edrdg/licence.html
    #       for permissions for use and redistribution.
    [ ... big snip ... ]
    出 : ｜ 山
    [ ... bigger snip ... ]
    
[/code]

So, "vertical stick" and mountain are the radicals according to this source,
which is located here: <http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/kradinf.html>

Actually, a better terminology is radical plus components. A kanji is
understood to have one primary component. This is called the radical. The
others are components.

So kradfile says ｜ is the radical, and the kanjidic agrees. The latter states
that this character has the No. 2 radical. This No. 2 refers to the Kang-Xi
214 radical index.

See: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kangxi_radicals> . Here you can
learn the name of that No. 2 stick in Chinese and Japanese.

Wictionary assigns a different radical from Kanjidic:
<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%87%BA> . They cite Radical No. 17, 凵 . This
opinion is justifiable. When we draw the kanji, we make that shape first, then
the vertical line, and then the bottom box.

Offline source: Jack Halpern's _The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary_ sides
with Wictionary: it assigns Radical 17 also.

Unicode Unihan data: <http://www.unicode.org/cgi-
bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=51FA> Radical 17, again.

However, 冂 as a radical or component of 出? Nonsensical. Perhaps a typo.




This is just the opinion of your dictionary. According to the KRADFILE, 出 has
these radicals:

[code]

    #
    #                           K R A D F I L E
    #
    #       Copyright 2001/2005 Michael Raine, James Breen and the Electronic
    #       Dictionary Research & Development Group at Monash University.
    #       See: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/groups/edrdg/licence.html
    #       for permissions for use and redistribution.
    [ ... big snip ... ]
    出 : ｜ 山
    [ ... bigger snip ... ]
    
[/code]

So, "vertical stick" and mountain are the radicals according to this source,
which is located here: <http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/kradinf.html>

Actually, a better terminology is radical plus components. A kanji is
understood to have one primary component. This is called the radical. The
others are components.

So kradfile says ｜ is the radical, and the kanjidic agrees. The latter states
that this character has the No. 2 radical. This No. 2 refers to the Kang-Xi
214 radical index.

See: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kangxi_radicals> . Here you can
learn the name of that No. 2 stick in Chinese and Japanese.

Wictionary assigns a different radical from Kanjidic:
<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%87%BA> . They cite Radical No. 17, 凵 . This
opinion is justifiable. When we draw the kanji, we make that shape first, then
the vertical line, and then the bottom box.

Offline source: Jack Halpern's _The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary_ sides
with Wictionary: it assigns Radical 17 also.

Unicode Unihan data: <http://www.unicode.org/cgi-
bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=51FA> Radical 17, again.

However, 冂 as a radical or component of 出? Nonsensical. Perhaps a typo.

