Ambiguity with particle と


The particle と has several use cases, two of which are:

**1) Connecting two nouns**

Example:

> 林檎とバナナを買いました。  
>  I bought apples and bananas.

**2) Indicating that something is done together with somebody**

Example:

> 私は山田さんと映画を見ました。  
>  I watched a movie together with Yamada.

Now I came across an example which seems to be ambiguous:

> 私は山田さんとジョンさんに行きました。

I would translate this to 'I went with Yamada to John'. However, couldn't it
also mean 'I went to John and Yamada' since how to tell to whom Yamada is
connected? Either I visit John **and** Yamada (1) or I go **with** Yamada to
John (2).

How would someone express this difference in Japanese?




There's a pretty major grammar error in the sentence you are asking about. You
said:

> 私は山田さんとジョンさんに行きました。

The problem here is with the particle に, as it treats John as a place. に is a
particle with a variety of uses, I'll list the ones contained in _A Dictionary
of Basic Japanese Grammar_ (Makino and Tsutsui).

>   1. A particle that indicates a point of time at which something takes
> place.
>   2. An indirect object marker.
>   3. A particle that indicates an agent or a source in passive, causative,
> _morau_ ... and other receiving constructions.
>   4. A particle that indicates the surface of something upon which some
> action directly takes place.
>   5. A particle which indicates purpose when someone moves from one place to
> another.
>   6. A particle which indicates the location where someone or something
> exists.
>

Of these various uses of に, the use that best applies to your sentence is
number six. The sentence given is grammatically incorrect because John is not
a place, but a person. If we were to edit your sentence like this,

> 私は山田さんとジョンさん **のアパート** に行きました。  
>

we have a grammatical sentence. In this case, the use of と in this sentence
would be either of your two options. In one case, it would be:

> I went to Mr. Yamada and John's apartment.

In the other case, it would be:

> I went with Mr. Yamada to John's apartment.

The only way we can determine which use of the particle と that we are using
will depend on the context surrounding the sentence. If this sentence were
spoken on its own, you would put a slight emphasis on the と to indicate that
you are going _with_ Mr. Yamada to John's apartment. Context matters a lot in
Japanese.

If we were to edit this sentence to be grammatical in another way,

> 私は山田さんとジョンさん **と映画館** に行きました。  
>  I went with Mr. Yamada and John to the movie theater.

we have use of _both_ of the と particle definitions.

Long story short, this isn't an issue with the particle と so much as it is an
issue with an ungrammatical use of に.




There's a pretty major grammar error in the sentence you are asking about. You
said:

> 私は山田さんとジョンさんに行きました。

The problem here is with the particle に, as it treats John as a place. に is a
particle with a variety of uses, I'll list the ones contained in _A Dictionary
of Basic Japanese Grammar_ (Makino and Tsutsui).

>   1. A particle that indicates a point of time at which something takes
> place.
>   2. An indirect object marker.
>   3. A particle that indicates an agent or a source in passive, causative,
> _morau_ ... and other receiving constructions.
>   4. A particle that indicates the surface of something upon which some
> action directly takes place.
>   5. A particle which indicates purpose when someone moves from one place to
> another.
>   6. A particle which indicates the location where someone or something
> exists.
>

Of these various uses of に, the use that best applies to your sentence is
number six. The sentence given is grammatically incorrect because John is not
a place, but a person. If we were to edit your sentence like this,

> 私は山田さんとジョンさん **のアパート** に行きました。  
>

we have a grammatical sentence. In this case, the use of と in this sentence
would be either of your two options. In one case, it would be:

> I went to Mr. Yamada and John's apartment.

In the other case, it would be:

> I went with Mr. Yamada to John's apartment.

The only way we can determine which use of the particle と that we are using
will depend on the context surrounding the sentence. If this sentence were
spoken on its own, you would put a slight emphasis on the と to indicate that
you are going _with_ Mr. Yamada to John's apartment. Context matters a lot in
Japanese.

If we were to edit this sentence to be grammatical in another way,

> 私は山田さんとジョンさん **と映画館** に行きました。  
>  I went with Mr. Yamada and John to the movie theater.

we have use of _both_ of the と particle definitions.

Long story short, this isn't an issue with the particle と so much as it is an
issue with an ungrammatical use of に.

