text:  right and a lot of times for that purpose and a lot of times people start trying to put like a little concrete ramp up and you don't want to do that uh eventually you know it'll five years it'll fail and it would drive the association crazy yeah okay well don't get that letter now yeah i know okay thanks so much we'll be talking to you in the weeks ahead as i work through my projects there you go bob rob thank you very much for the call appreciate it and uh