 And he was talking to a business owner, a couple of guys that had their business evaluated and they were charged $50,000 to find out their business was not worth anything. Now, I know that sounds crazy, but that doesn't mean their business had to stay that way, but they had to make some changes. Okay. They had to make some major changes. So these guys were pretty depressed to find that, Hey, we just paid somebody $50,000 to tell us our business is basically worthless.