 well madison's argument and and and you see this in the federalist papers because it argues against the bill of rights in in the federalist papers i think they're right in principle which was if you have a government of limited powers there's no need for a bill of rights all it's going to do is cause problems and it's going to cause interpretive problems with the supreme court of course they're absolutely right about that but madison's a great example of prudence right well in order to get the constitution ratified which is the objective here we need to add a bill of rights and so what does madison do