 couple of things to seem vigorous to be on the attack to try to get under Donald Trump's skin throughout the debate I kept waiting to see anything resembling a strategy out of Joe Biden so I found it I mean I found it tough to watch I'm not going to lie I mean there were moments where I was looking at my watch saying geez I hope this thing is ending soon that was my takeaway before I bring Obi in you know let me ask you the thing that a lot of people even on the