 them coming out and saying we should defend him, and that he won the debate, they put themselves in a hole even deeper. When I say them, Kamala Harris and snake oil salesman Gavin Newsom, they're the only two people in the world that say that Joe Biden came out on top. And maybe a crackhead that's on Skid Row doing fit and all. Three people are the only people that say that Joe Biden won that debate.