 uh... some of these he thought were crucial to be in the convention pose in the greener plant don't survive till the end and that actually is the is the is the great story about about it is madison at the beginning chin versus massively rebut the federal's papers make very different arguments but it's the same statesman and the same principles driving it but he's he's warned he's learned as he gone as he could goes along and he he loses and then of course by losing he often wins