 as being people who have families and who make families as havens for for the lonely people of the world um and that's somewhere that other that people can come to for refreshment and to find a sense of identity so we don't have to find it in chaos and in politics joy pullman is executive editor at the federalist a hillsdale graduate and author of the new book false flag why queer politics mean the end of america joy thanks for joining us here on the radio free hillsdale hour thanks for having me