 and not staying healthy. He did an interview with CN2, and I want you to listen to Sam Bowie basically tell you, yeah, every now and then I see Michael Jordan, and yeah, we have an interesting conversation. Listen to this. Well, it's been a few years since I've seen Mike, but every time I see Mike, well, I tell him if he would have never turned out to be the player he was, I wouldn't have to hear all this ridicule about being drafted before him. And...