 And most people didn't have photographs, certainly not like today. So getting a photograph was actually a big deal. And people would go to sit for him and pay $10 for a portrait. And $10 in the 1860s was a lot of money. And he continued to produce these amazing photographs with these ghostly figures behind people. And people swore that they recognized them as lost loved ones. In some case, they were children. And they didn't have existing photos of children yet.