 So he shared that with a friend who was a spiritualist. The spiritualist said, oh my goodness, like you've got this amazing ability to photograph the dead. You have to keep doing this. And I don't think Mumler really believed that at first, but he thought, okay, well, let me keep doing this and let's see what happens. And keep in mind, photography is fairly new at that point. It's not an old technology yet by any means. So this idea that maybe the camera could see things that the eyeball couldn't was very intriguing to people.