 some of them are using snap weights they put a snap weight on their line to get it down and then a lot of some people even use just a four ounce bottom bouncer i know i know somebody up there who has a cabin up there and he catches more big wallets than anybody and he uses a four ounce bottom bouncer with a six foot piece of either mono or fluorocarbon and then a shallow dive and crank you wouldn't want to use a deep dive and crank on