 And then Monday night, Lester Holtz, if he can make it through today and this weekend, Lester Holtz at NBC, as I understand, is going to do an interview with him Monday in Austin, Texas, because he's trying to counter program by the Republican convention. But again, NBC says that's taped, right? This news conference tonight, it's live, baby. So it's just like the debate. You're going to make it through or not.