 when you stop by FocusOnTheFamily.com slash broadcast. And this recording comes from way back 2001. Steve was filling in for Chuck Swindoll at First Evangelical Free Church in Fullerton, California. And here now, the late Steve Farrar on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. You know, I was sitting over there thinking about 20 years ago, 25 years ago, I was a rookie pastor.