 the government as far as being on the roof with the gun when people at the rally see him and you see the video that someone's taking on their phone with the lady saying he's on the roof he's got a guy five minutes before it is that correct uh... according to this testimony it would have been about three minutes that uh... it so what what this guy says let me just back up here what the state police commissioner says is he was on the roof for about three minutes