 in particular, where they're just shutting down, is to be alone. And you've got to get them around other people who have maybe lived through some of the same experiences and maybe they're further along in how they deal with it so that you can help bring that person along with you and talk about the things. Because I think talking is extremely important. Absolutely. And that's where it's kind of nice to be in this organization because you have moments of opportunity to be able to talk