 So again, without having all of the details in front of me, sir, what I can tell you is that there are times... You didn't get briefed on how many times you turned down the Trump detail when they asked for additional help? I'm sorry. You didn't get briefed on that before you came to this hearing, knowing you were going to get asked that question? Exactly. What I can tell you is that in generic terms, when people, when details make a request, there are times that there are alternate ways to cover off on that threat or that risk. But that's not what he said. He said they were... No, how many times?