 that what he was referring to are jobs that would otherwise be held by black people. This is Peter Kirstenow, a member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, who happens to be black, and this is him at a forum where he's talking about the displacement of black jobs because of illegal immigration. I had asked the Civil Rights Commission to conduct a hearing on this, and there were at least three hearings that we conducted, one of which was designed specifically to determine the effect of illegal immigration on black workers.