 So follow the recommendations from the co-ops. Typically, you start with a DMI fungicide and also a broad-spectrum fungicide such as EBDC, which is mancozeb. Then you can come back with a tin endotopsin in the second application. If you're only relying on an EBDC like a mancozeb for the first application, and if you have a couple of rain events, now you have to really shorten the interval for your next application.