 like you said i mean they're going to take their abuse a lot of pruning and stuff like that causes them to get a little thick and stuff but okay let's do this let's just let everybody know one more time woods farmers see the nursery hours uh phone number all that kind of stuff and the really neat thing is when you come out here you get to see what you're going to take home and plant after it's been there for a couple of years so you re it really helps make the decision