 And they were sitting in a diner. Jim Garner and his producing partner, Peter Duchot, were sitting in the diner talking about My Name is Bill W., which was their next project, going to be their next project. And Jim said, and Jimmy was eavesdropping, as usual, and he came over and he said, I am Bill W. And that's how he got the part. I mean, he just seized it, and of course he did a...