 Traditionally, it's a little bit higher than class four, which is butter and powder. So it's depending a little bit what part of the country that you're producing milk. So obviously the upper Midwest and the central region is a lot more cheese and the West Coast has more butter powder plants. So that's one caveat in there. But when it comes to interest rates, they're historically reasonable, but we've been lulled in a very low interest rate environment. So as farmers are looking at interest rate costs and that it's,