 Then there are the folks who call themselves pantheists, and that is they believe that God's everywhere. God is in everything. Everything is in God. He's in the ocean. He's in the trees. He's in the skies. He's in this. He's in that. And this and that's in God. So it's inseparable. Again, there's no understanding of the personal relationship to God that he desires and does have to this world and to individuals. And so God is sort of mixed up in all of nature.