 but instead of just, as you say, becoming complacent, he gave himself another five years, and another five, and another five, and it wasn't until he was 50 that he finally said, okay, I guess I'm going to... John Winokur, co-author of The Garner Files, on Jim Garner's five-year plan for becoming an actor. We'll play more of our conversation with John Winokur about James Garner during the second hour of tonight's program.