 you know i was at the race that he ran we had a mom before the race we've had a lot of number of times and i had a mon after the after it the debate in atlanta and he was there and i had time to speak with them both on air and off the air and i've had a couple of private conversations with him because his name has been out there as a potential vp pick and i just didn't know as much about him and he is what a two-year senator