 rather than wondering whether they're going crazy or not, right? And whether they should doubt whether this happened or not. No, it really happens because the science can support this rather than the traditional scientist says, no, it's all hallucinatory. What does science say about this though, Doug? Well, you know, there's the people who are the critics of metaphysics, right? And a lot of those people would be labeled as scientism, right? It's kind of like a religious belief in classical physics. Pseudoscience, right?