 The first, I think, nine miles of the hike are you go up steep, but then you go down steep. So you lose all your progress. And then you go up steep, and then you go down steep. And that's like the first nine miles. And then the last three miles or so, it's pretty much straight up. And so you're like, why do you do this? Well, because we're kind of nuts, apparently. But it's fun. But here's the thing with that. As you can imagine, you can see he's got a big backpack on there. There's a lot of weight in that backpack.