 a young lawyer who was outside counsel for the NBA named David Stern, and he bought him in as his second-in-command. And David Stern later went on to become the MA commissioner and, in my mind, is the most influential sports commissioner of the last 50 years. So Larry O'Brien's ability to recognize David Stern as somebody who could do the dirty work, who could get to know the GMs and the team owners and the union representatives,