 I said to him, the EVs that have been sold so far have benefited from a push by the U.S. government, billions of dollars in government-funded rebates, and big tariffs put on Chinese products to level the playing field. I went on to say, Americans will push back if you try to force them to do anything, but if you try to come between the people and their love affair with cars, you'll become their adversary, and I don't think you want to do that.