 And I think that's why he got so many big assignments. You know, in 2009, I wasn't there at this time, but this is what my understanding. He came in and he got the Recovery Act. And he started doing meetings with the cabinet in the cabinet room. It's always like the junior president. Hold on. Stay there, Mike McCormick. We've got a two-minute break. We'll be right back to you to finish up with this and then get into all the other subjects. We talk about the past. We talk about the present and the future.