 have an NDE right you know people say well the brain is just hallucinating well no that's not true for an NDE the brain is actually usually shut completely down you know there's plenty of examples of that and so how can the brain that's completely shut down you know have this hallucinatory phenomena because there's no brain there you know so so um so just realize that the mind is separate from the brain and that's why we have this phenomenon and so the goal is how does the mind produce