 And I'm sure a lot of these pro guys like that probably do that. But I want to find out why. And one of the reasons why is he uses 7-foot trolling rods. So he likes to use a little bit shorter trolling rods. And when he ties his own spinners, he makes them 5 feet so that when he ties his rods up for travel or when he's moving the boat around or whatever, they fit perfectly together.