 And when you talk about Eric Getty, the comp is Joe Ryan. He comes from the lower arm angle with a fastball that kind of looks like it's climbing on you as it gets to home plate. So we'll see how he fares against this Twins team that's done a pretty good job of hitting that forcing fastball this year. He's 4-7 with a 6 ERA. And you look at some of the teams that he's pitched against, and again, I'm not going to go down the road to where, okay, he's played versus lesser talent.