 Do you really think he's going to, he can't run again like this. And I said, well, you have more interaction with him than I do. And they said, I don't have a lot of interaction with him. This is a pretty senior cabinet secretary. So, and this was two years ago. So he actually thinks this is an interesting part of his career. I think it is such a damning revelation. How could he not understand how bad he looks?