 And they have like a natural finish right now, but they have like a dark oak stain on them. And you want to paint them white. Oh, yeah. You know, you have to use a primer that's going to cover that and it's going to block some of those tannins. So when you put the white paint on there, it doesn't show through. What would you use to clean those cabinets? Because they're in the kitchen, like right above the stove, a little bit of grease splatter around, that kind of stuff.