 Then the Twins are going to have trouble. I mean, let's look at the Royals, a team the Twins are in a heated battle with right now for second in AL Central. And we heard Ryan Lefevre tell us a year or two ago that when they went to the World Series and they also won a World Series, that they were grinders. They're guys who just showed up to play. How about Salvi Perez? I get more impressed with this guy by each season. So here's a guy, Salvi Perez, 34 years old, still plays catcher, right?