 i'm sorry on the lights are not timed properly so it creates what's called the dilemma zone and people violate by a fraction of a second something you can't even see with the naked eye um and you know in in let's say california that's a 500 ticket i don't know what it is in new york um but but it's a giant scam this whole thing is a giant scam but it's all part and parcel of this war on cars which is we don't want you driving a car we want a tax for every mile that you drive we want to create a congestion tax