 With Matt LaFleur, I think a lot of it is the first few seasons. He won 13 games. He won 13 games the first three seasons. But all of that was about Aaron Rodgers. Back-to-back MVPs playing at a high level. Well, when you remove Aaron Rodgers, this team has continued to get better. They've improved. They look like a different team. That has to go to him. He understands how to put together a team. And no matter what we say about stars, he's willing to play teams without stars doing anything.