 Think about the folly of that. We say that the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, goodness, gentleness. You know, these things that Paul says we don't even need laws against. Do we imagine that the Father's different than that? Do we imagine that Jesus is different than that? I don't know about you, but I started out as a fundamentalist. I've been in charismatic things. I've been through half a dozen different movements. I tried all the keys, tried all the steps.