 So it was Gary Lockwood who said this to me. If you got on their casting radar, there was a guaranteed four or five grand a year because you did one show, they would put you on other shows, which was a lot of money for a working actor. And I'm sure Dern, if he remembered it, would put it much the same way. But if you played the heavy in one episode and they brought you back the following year, they would not necessarily cast you as a heavy. Right.