 he uses, depends on the number of beads that he puts on there. So he doesn't want his blade to cover up that front hook, so he basically puts enough beads on there just to go a little bit longer than his blade size. So watch for that video, go to the Next Bite YouTube channel and learn more about how Cory Springle uses spinner rigs and then obviously the guy knows a little bit about pulling spinners since he designed some plastics for pulling spinners.