 This is 20 years after he's been put away, and she says to him, well, I'm from the New York Times. I'm here to talk to you about Teresa, the witness who put you in prison. And the guy, according to French, he bursts into tears, and he says, I've been waiting to talk about Teresa for 20 years, but nobody would listen to French. He says, well, now somebody's listening. I'm here. But then, but then this defendant...