 The reason Donald Trump did well in that debate, and he's obviously got a forceful personality, is that he talks to journalists all the time, even ones he doesn't like. He's not rusty. What Biden does is that he builds up this great drama by having a once-a-year news conference or doing the Stephanopoulos interview, which was a complete and total bust. I know he's going to talk to Lester Holt on Monday. And so each one gets incredible scrutiny, and if he has a couple of missteps...