 For 30 years. And this was year one of their marriage. I mean, that's so awesome. I think at the end here, what I'd like to suggest is that person that maybe doesn't know the Lord, kind of right where you guys were, and they're struggling. Jodi, it may be the wife, and she doesn't know where to turn. That idea that you leaned into God, what would you say to convince that person to say, okay, God, I don't know what to do, but I want to hear from you?