 15 degrees outside and snowing. Where, you know, where did he think he was going? And I was telling my, I think he was the offensive coordinator at the time. And we were sitting next to him and I said, I want to know who his recruiter is because that guy is a salesman. A salesman. That is what Teresa and the family found on their visit to the other U when they grilled Hurricanes head coach Butch Davis about his future.