 And so in order for me to get up to the podium to sing, because they didn't have a handheld mic then, it was a podium mic, and that's what I sang with. They have a little stool that's underneath the podium, and so when they walked up to speak, both of them, they slid it underneath the podium. So when they called me over to sing, it was still under the podium. I had to get on my hands and knees and drag that out and stand up on it, because I'm only 5'7 1⁄2".