 But there were people, you know, from all over Africa that were, you know, that were standing in this conversation. And then this man, Stuart Hope, well, he has a, Stuart's white, and he has a Dutch accent to him. And when it came to Stuart's time, Stuart's just a wonderful guy. We invited him to come. He came and taught at Concordia one year. But when he was asked what his ethnic origin was, Stuart said, I'm a human being.