 30 years of successful touring and producing and music. And we were just about to, we just moved to Los Angeles with Kelly to start the Kelly Clarkson show over at Universal Studios on NBC. And then COVID hit, as we all know, in 2020. And that started a period of trauma in my wife and I, in our family, not all even related to COVID. Over that time, we've lost about 10 close friends and family members.