 to make people believe that this is real and there's science to support it, give them some kind of clarity rather than wondering whether they're going crazy or not, right? And whether they should doubt whether this happened or not. No, it really happens because the science can support this rather than the traditional scientist that, you know, it's all hallucinatory. What does science say about this, though, Doug? Well, you know, there's the people who are the critics of metaphysics, right? And a lot of those people would be labeled as scientists