 Which, for a runner, that makes a big difference. Not good. That's not good. I'm trying to remember. He did more than one Gunsmoke. And he may have done a Gunsmoke when Burt Reynolds was still doing the show. I don't remember. Yeah, that's where they met. Yeah, okay. Eric Braden said, I believe he says this in his memoir, and he may have said this during one of his appearances on our program, but he said,