 all about is it really there and of course we're all mad it's right there come here sit down if it was not there let me pull the chair out from you okay now it's not there you know we you know yeah to that kind of thing so it drives you nuts so is that kind of what you're relating that where people like me and you have seen things but we can't totally explain it even though we know we've seen it is is this kind of somewhere in that