 Schwartz yeah is it more instinctual like you just kind of go with the feel versus you know you're talking about traditionally you set up you get your anchor point bam you're good to go is it more shooting by instinct and feel than anything it really is and that's for me I think part of my problem was if I wanted to get back to that if I would have known what we're doing I would have taken my recurve the only issue with the recurve is they're so long when you're on that boat