 but we, we went to her house. We kept trying to pin her down to an interview and we'd set it up and she couldn't do it. We'd set it up. She couldn't do it. Finally, she gave us a date. We went up to her house, um, which was in Benedict Canyon. And we sit down with her finally. And she comes down from where she was in the house and sits down with us in this living room. And, um,