 1980 to mid-1980s, so four, five, six years when we had 20% interest rates, we lost, and you hear bankers talk about that, we lost a whole generation of farmers. And that's indeed the area that's lower. And so I think even though farmers are aging, I think it's important to keep it in perspective that they're aging slower than the average population. And so he argues that the issue probably isn't the age of farmers.