 go-to person behind that. Karen Ford, who has a book called Flipside, the definitive biography of Bob Crane, which is supposed to be coming out soon, and when that happens, Karen Ford will be a guest on our program. Carol Ford. Karen Crane, Carol Ford. Karen Crane, Carol Ford. Our conversation with Karen Crane is still available online. On the archive. And it is a lively conversation. It is. It is a...