 And there's silence. Oh, yeah. Because we had spent a total of, at this point, you know, six to ten hours with him over years. As we needed more information, we kept going back. And he was gracious enough. He knew we weren't flakes and we were sincere and interested. So he kept allowing us back in. Yeah, at one point, we were interviewing him and we could tell this was, you know, because every person we spoke to gave us information.