 So for bad guy number one, and my way of getting there... Joel Thurm has a marvelously entertaining and marvelously informative, fun-to-read book called Sex, Drugs, and Pilot Season Confessions of a Casting Director, which you can find through our friends Bear Manor Media as well as Amazon.com. Joel Thurm, I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed this conversation. I hope we'll have a chance to chat with you again one of these days on TV Confidential.