 And in my case, when I went to MSNBC right after I got out of office, I was the hottest commodity. I signed a three-year contract with them. They had Phil Donahue on then. Phil likewise was opposed to the invasion of Iraq. He was their highest-rated show. They pulled Phil. They would not let me on. And when you look at it, guess who the owner was of MSNBC then? Who's that?