 as quite likely, Richard, some kind of revenge of the Knights Templar against Catholics because the Pope, I think in the 1300s, decreed the end and the destruction of the Knights Templar. There's a lot that indicates, a lot of quotes, a lot of evidence, testimony, et cetera. Some of the spooks in the CIA in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, I'm not so sure about today.