 And, whew, man, you've got to work and work and work and work and work, and things don't change. And so I think it was hard for them to keep the energy, but I don't know that for sure. I really respect them just for the fact that they're part of the building, part of the business. So then we had, after the Nystroms, we had the Wilhelms. Melvin and Jeanette, they ran it for a year before my brother bought the store. Okay. Nice transition with them. The Rumor, kind of the old...