 with actual engagement with each other so what i'm looking for um you know and i met biden when he was here okay and he jocked up shook my hand had a long conversation with him long 45 seconds that is long in presidential terms because they got to move on huge yeah um and i was impressed by him i was legit impressed by him and i'm you know i've been kind of you know i'm a reasonable thoughtful person i haven't been like wow he's amazing every minute of the day every day