text:  And they thought we were going to back out, and we're not going to back out. So that's why they're in the emergency sessions they're in right now. They never thought the Trump people would accept it. Do you think I'm being spun, or do you think that's how you see it? Well, I think they wanted a debate. They really wanted a debate because they think Biden is pathetic, which he is, and this can really help Trump, which it could. But it's not necessarily going to play out that way. It's just potential.