text:  The thing I would say, though, I use Van Joe's example. I think if you watched ABC, NBC, any of the other networks tonight, you couldn't watch anything but this. I know everyone is unplugged and what they are. That's fine. But it's all about the spin afterwards and the press coverage. I don't know anyone that is going to put in print a headline or the first paragraph that said anywhere under the sun this was good for Joe Biden. The Intercept might be the only one that does that. You know, if well, the Intercept.