text:  But who's the next step? It's not Harris. She's less popular than him. It could be Gavin Newsom, but he's ruined California. People are talking about Gretchen Whitmer, but she's ruined Michigan. Who's the heir apparent? I don't know who that would be on the left. Hillary Clinton, in my opinion, would be Hillary Clinton, yes. And the person that needs to be convinced is really not Joe Biden. It's Jill Biden. She needs to understand he needs to step down because I think unless she agrees, he's not going to step down because she is not going to let him step down.