text:  Because when he came out after the report that he was too old to undergo any kind of a trial, he came immediately out that night despite his advisors saying, Joe, calm down, come the next day. That's how bullheaded he is. And they know how bad he is and how bad he would be in a debate. So they simply said, Joe, you want a debate? Go ahead. And Kamala's going to be governor of California and Gavin's going to get the nod to run.