text:  And I interviewed for a job with Boise Cascade. I got a commercial license because my dad used to run an automobile agency. I used to drive a tractor trailer. Oh, awesome. And so I know a little bit about driving big trucks. It means that I've worked in the East Side. I deliberately went and worked for three years to make sure I was the only guy, only white guy that worked in the East Side. Because, you know, I wanted to understand. I was involved in the civil rights movement. What did you want to understand?