text:  They hadn't even had that conversation. And so by having that conversation ahead of time, we could figure out a way how to plan things. And part of their retirement now is he does do the tours. He doesn't do them anymore because he's past that age now. I guess he's got to be almost 90 at this point. But now, I mean, for 20 years, he would camp by himself and go with buddies and do some camping. He would take his wife with him sometimes. But they spent a lot of time with the daughter-in-law.