text:  in their lifetime. And I do think Donald Trump is a good debater. But as long as Trump from 2020 debates is not on that stage, I think he'll do much well. If it's Trump from 2016, we're better off. But maybe not even 2016. I think if he is too forceful, he's going to be seen as bullying an old man, right? And that's no good. So he's going to have to play it very, very...