text:  Don't ask me whether or not that injured them or not. There's all kinds of stories of people that are still alive in 60s, 70s, have been doing steroids for 20, 30, 40 years. And there's others of people that died five years after they started taking steroids. So I don't know the answer to that. But the point was they were willing to take that risk. And I looked at myself and I said, if a guy who is a natural is willing to work as hard as I am and willing to take more steroids than I do, then there's no way for me to beat him.