text:  And yes, I mean, after all, Jim, you've been doing this so long now, so long now that it is science. I mean, how can they deny that it's science? Well, when they say I'm lucky, then I say, well, isn't lucky rather a mystical concept? Mystical indeed. In other words, science is nothing if it is not repeatability. And if you can demonstrate that, then I don't see how they, well, I guess I do see how. They have a different agenda. And so often they will say, we can't lend any...