text:  Yeah, well, you have to have taxable income. You have to have taxes that you owe to get the advantage of the $7,500 tax credit. But, you know, you can create it. You can do a Roth conversion, right? And you can create the income. So that's what I would have done if I were them, unless they had no IRA money or 401k money out there to convert to Roth. But that would have been the easy way to do it. How come they had no income?