text:  right there. Um, and it started, you know, I, I did my first internship in a year and a day was a, uh, Wiccan group called the Druidic craft of the wise. That would have been in 1989 with a woman named Judith to frame. And I learned with them after, after that went on, I moved on to my second group and it was more along the garden area and tradition, um, still Wicca.