text:  I mean, it absolutely can be confrontational between the two of them. You know, the clients I talked about in the previous section, Mike and Catherine, when they came in and sat down, you know, they'd had conversations with Dawn about what it was that they're looking for. And they'd spoken to Lawrence about what their retirement goals were and their assets and what they wanted to do. And they came in and they sat down and Catherine was very, you know,