text:  There is no argument for the department to exist and do the same things it's been doing. It should be phased out. It should be abolished over time. And I have also advocated for that very vocally. Great. Betsy DeVos, thanks so much. Thank you so much, Brian. Have a great day. You too. We'll be back to finish up this hour and get your final thoughts about the debate, which is just now hours away. You're listening to Brian Kilmeade Show.