text:  As Bidens, they just sound like horrible people. But affable. It's weird to say that. But there is a way to be... I've known a lot of people where if you just really... When you're around them, you're like, they're fine, they're fine, they're fine. But then when you really think about it or you really look at what they're doing, you listen to what they say, you go, but God, these people are terrible. These people are awful. And you slowly sort of