text:  is that, you know, they came in about 2010, they sponsored another commission, Homeland Security and NERC, North American Electrical Liability Corporation, which sounds like the good guys, sponsored this big conference to look at this problem, and that the EMP commission had said, hey, this is a serious, serious problem. And they came out with a report called the HILF Report for High Impact, Low Frequency, meaning black swan events, things that