text:  And he wrote in one of his books, there is no black or white magic. There's just the magician. Yeah, Lon's been on the program before. He is a huge, I mean, he's a big deal for me. He's an amazing man, you know what I mean? And that's a quote from one of his books. It's true. It's not black or white. It's the person. You know, if the person's going to be doing something horrible and malicious, then that would be deemed in that way.