text:  Don't see this themselves as a career-defining moment, because it'll be a career-destroying moment, as if being on CNN isn't bad enough. And lastly, on the VP debate, I also spoke to my source yesterday, and I said, listen, I'm going to go do Doug Burgum to interview, do a profile with him and his wife on Sunday in North Dakota. And he, Rubio, and J.D. Vance are considered the finalists. And I said, do you consider that the finalists? And they came back and said, no.