text:  And I think those require a more friendly sort of approach. And it's hard because you have to win. You've got to win your point. You want to intellectually defeat your opponent. But you have to do it in a way in which people don't think you're an ogre. And I think the second debate, when Trump came back the second time, I think some people had coached him a little bit on that. And I think he won both debates intellectually, but I think he came off better in the second debate. And