 yes they gave me some of the best advice when we first got into this almost 12 years ago now he said don't don't worry about getting evidence don't worry about photographs and i said why he said because no matter what you do there's a skeptic out there that will doubt it no matter how good your evidence is they will throw down he said some skeptics no matter how good your evidence is it could be scientifically proven we'll still find a reason to doubt it so i said if you're doing