 Jimmy Johnson. Where's his place in all of this? So I look at Jimmy Johnson, and maybe I have a little bit different perspective because I grew up with Richard Petty while he was winning all of his championships and stuff. And it was tough. It's tough to win championships. I mean, so many great drivers, as we go back in time, won lots of races and never won championships. So many great drivers won lots of races and never won Daytona. Those big moments, they just couldn't get over that hump.