 I firmly believe that you could see Tatum and Brown outside of the top five. And it's not because I don't think they're that good. It's because for whatever reason, NBA front offices are not totally sold on Jalen Brown. You saw what the discourse was around Jason Tatum. Given his resume, the way he was talked about, you would think that he was like Macau Bridges. He was that kind of a level. He's a very good player, but not that great. He's a good three and D guy, whatever. That was the discourse around him.