 It wasn't really conducive the way NASCAR was many years ago because the guys didn't make huge amounts of money. Right. So there's guys that hung around future Hall of Famers hung around for a long time, but they ended up driving bad cars and driving around at the back of the pack and got a lot of criticism from some of the younger drivers that were out there and were passing them. If I can ask the question once again, how many 17 cars are out here today?