 the ideal situation for Kevin McCullough. You know what I mean? I think if they switched, I think it would be perfect, right? Because Johnny Furphy can sit and learn from a lot of these young, talented player, wing-type guys if Johnny Furphy were to go to the Knicks. And then when you look at what the Indiana Pacers have, they have Nembhard and they have Nesmith on the wings, and those are probably their two worst players in terms of their starting five because they have Pascal Siakam, they have Tyrese Halliburton, and they have Miles Turner at the center.