 There was another one, one of Obama's former advisers that had come out publicly. Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC, a few people on CNN, of course, the New York Times. We all see that. But those are the people that are, they have nothing to lose. And so, I mean, James Carlin, let's take James Carlin. At one time, probably one of the most influential Democratic operatives, strategists that existed.