 to a plain surface. And he said, it doesn't make the soldier less visible. It actually, to some extent, makes them more conspicuous. And he said, the reason for that is because here they are out there, and if any kind of sunlight shines on them, it begins to make shadows on their bodies and on their faces and stuff. So then they become quite discernible. And he said, what you would better do would be the same kind of thing that is happening with the camouflaged ships. You should break them up.