 But David here, he focuses on so much more than that. And that's what I love about our conversation. We think about estate planning as this really morbid thing. And if we think about it more as a legacy, then we're doing more life planning, right? It's the things that we do while we're alive that are going to ultimately be the biggest part of our estate plan. And I think that's the biggest benefit of the conversation and the work that I've done with David for us and our family.