 for your live report outside the courthouse. Let's bring back Nicole Killian and Jessica Levinson. Jessica, your reaction. My reaction is that virtually every defendant who's convicted says, I'm going to fight this. I'm going to appeal. I will be vindicated. And that is absolutely Senator Menendez's right. But I don't know that given the charges here, given the evidence here, given the laws at issue, that we should hold our breath for a reversal.