 And so that's where this all erupts. That's where this all erupts. And so they scheduled this interview, this 20-minute, 21-minute, 24-minute, 20-some minute, 22-minute interview between Biden and Stephanopoulos. The purported or the reported reason for this was to give Biden a chance to say, look, it was a bad night. I had a bad night. I've had three and a half great years. I had 90 bad minutes.