 That's what we know. So if we want to say it's three to five minutes, he's got the ladder, he's up the ladder, he's low crawling, he's not walking, he's low crawling, so it's going to take extra time, say about three minutes or so, and you've got people saying, hey, there's a guy in the roof, there's a guy in the roof. The problem is identifying a threat and whether or not lethal force needs to be used, I can understand the hesitancy of a counter sniper team there with the communication problem.