 You know, he's, he said very nice things to us as a family. He's, you know, he's, he's obviously, he was obviously devastated to lose his son. He's, he was sad for, for what Jonathan lost, you know, passing away at 17. But very grateful that his son's legacy has been fulfilled. But yeah, it's, it's emotional, but it does not necessarily talking about Roger, but it gets very, it can get very complicated. It's a complicated relationship.