 they want to be ruled by reason. Obviously, they're impressed by Socrates. They want the deepest thinker, the most radical thinker, in some sense to guide them. And I think that suggests that in political life, we yearn for wise rule in some sense. I mean, just on a kind of basic level, you want the people who are most knowledgeable and skillful about the common good to be in charge. So that on the one hand, but on the other hand,