 to argue about ideas. When you have to vilify or destroy a person because you disagree with their idea, you've already lost the argument because you've lost the high ground. You've lost the ability to argue your idea because you can't stay on top of, your idea loses ground, so you have to attack the person. And when you can't back up your philosophy, when you can't back up your belief and have an argument about that, a healthy, a good, have a strenuous argument,