 Yes. Both, right. I mean, it depends. Do knots matter? Oh, I was going to ask him that question. I was waiting for it. I was waiting for it. You beat me to it. Knots, if they're treated appropriately, aren't that big of a deal. But they will bleed through if you don't treat them appropriately. But what if it's a 2x4 framing? 2x4 is no big deal, no.