 And so, uh, David Sanborn, Grover Washington, uh, Spiral Gyra. I mean, they, they all started back in the, in the seventies, uh, making kind of crafting what it will be smooth jazz today. And then of course, uh, you have artists like Kenny G, um, that came on the scene about 1980. And so it just all kind of shaped. And if, and if a person listens to jazz from, uh,