 He and I were sitting there. This is the night before I'm going to testify the next day. These testimonials are big, big deals. These are in front of the American people. And these are captured documents that are on record. And I said to Cal, who was a great guy, I said, Cal, I go, this is insane. I go, I'm not going to say this. This is not true. This is not right. And I said, I'm not going to do it.