 And I'm really glad you described those conversations, Susan. They parallel, they mirror the conversations I have. And what also strikes me is that they whipsaw, meaning people who are certain about one thing 48 hours ago are certain about the other thing in 48 hours later. And the ones that were certain about the other thing have moved. They've shifted around. That is to say, there is no fixed orientation to the future of a sitting president being the renominated nominee of a party.