 informational system and that's what's interacting with the physical and have to intersect with it and that's where the chakras are and there's physical phenomena that goes with it you don't have to assume that the physical is there in order to make that to work so I don't know did that help you understand where I'm coming from at least yeah he hung up okay let's go to Kurt in Pasadena California welcome to the program hi Kurt hello thank you guys for having me yes sir