 John Dickerson, I know you want to weigh in on this as well, John. Well, I would just say, when we're thinking about J.D. Vance and the contours of his political views in this period, J.D. Vance, when asked if he would have certified the election in the way that Mike Pence did, did not agree that he would. He said Donald Trump had a legitimate claim, even though at that period, Trump had been told by his own staff, by experts, by