 And our former Superior General, Father Casey, is notorious for saying, the church is a ship and you can fall off to the left or you can fall off to the right. And so, the community that I initially began to discern with, politely said, lacked Catholic identity. And one of the things that as I began to learn some of these principles, I said, wow, this teaching on contraceptive is amazing. And one of the members of the community said, well, there's lots of ways to see that.