 a vice president who understands the senate but isn't so enamored with its culture that they will be deferential to senate leadership over the constitutional president of the senate who is the vice president i think both marco rubio and jd vance would fit that that role exceptionally well i like both of them as well it is uh matt gates i know that you're on the road you're out there getting it done appreciate you taking some time today matt let's do it again soon thanks so much thank you brother appreciate it all right my man we're back after this stay right here