 NBC's Natasha Karecki is one of the reporters who broke this story. She is on the phone. Back with us is David Jolly. Natasha, this is very deeply sourced. I want to read two more quotes from this reporting. One is a person close to Joe Biden who says we are close to the end. And a person who spoke with a senior campaign official said they're finally realizing it's a when, not if. We just spoke to Quentin Fulks, who said Joe Biden's mind has not changed. He's not going anywhere.