 a no-win situation. They're going to use this to try to pressure the guy to drop out. That's what they're going to do. And Biden may still be considering this. If you listen to the governor of Hawaii, Biden is going to be deciding the fate of his campaign here in the next couple of days. If you listen to what Biden has said, he's staying in the race unless God comes down here and tells him to drop out. So anyway, let's listen to Jonathan Karl here talk about