 And you began your interview with John Needham. Yes, he was still in a hospital gown and his hands were wrapped in paper bags because we had already decided that we were going to try to extract some evidence from his hands down the road. We didn't want that to be contaminated. What happened in that room? When Detective Gall and his partner questioned him, John had few answers. She had to do something to set you off to pull the trigger, right?