 And again, the politics of it, for those of you who don't know, when you're campaigning, if you're way ahead, you want to avoid debates as much as possible. If you're behind, you want as many debates as possible because you're trying to get as much traction. So there's always this cat and mouse with who's in the lead. And if it's close, you usually find some kind of a meeting place in the middle. But I think Braun probably sees himself as way out ahead, so he's trying to avoid those conflicts.