 It was all for growth and they were trying to build these assets. But now they're starting to think, OK, do we need to shift as our goals change? Do we need to shift our strategy? Do we need to reduce some of our risk? Well, Diane's ready to reduce some of that risk. Bob, not so much. Bob's still pedal to the metal. Well, Bob's always had a bit of a scorecard, if you will, when it comes with.