 You know, it just, it was very complicated. Parents right now are all like, oh, amen, Bob. But so that was the challenge of the backdrop that my journey began on. And one of the things that I, a friend of mine in seminary used this language, I'm stealing from him, but he said that there are those Catholics who are sacramentalized, those who are sacramentalized and catechized, and then sacramentalized, catechized, and evangelized. Yes.