 It's a huge challenge. So you're going to get the long version of the story. I normally skip this part, but there was a, I hope I don't scandalize your viewers, but part of my journey of faith is that I always went for the girl but came home with God. And part of where we would go to Mass, Mike invited me to come to Mass with he and his family, and it was at the Newman Center at Stephen of Austin State in Nacogdoches.