 That's right. When they started opening things up. Yeah. And I remember thinking like, okay, the best thing to do is like, let's just attend in person. Because again, we're in this discovery phase where we're reading these things. We're agreeing with a lot of them. And we just need to experience it. Like that's what we wanted to, that's what we were telling him. We just need to go and see, let's go and see if this even, you know, like.