text:  He would be a great guest on a future show. Cause he, every time he comes in this place through the years, literally it's supposed to be five, 10 minute interview. 40 minutes later, he could just, he's an excellent speaker, but he educates you. He's very smart. Super knowledgeable. So, so, so nice. We are very grateful for his help to get flower healthier. So now the, the next person who's considering adopter, they'll have an easier road ahead. Just knowing that he's,