text:  that Donald Trump has ever participated on the presidential scale against Hillary Clinton or against Joe Biden. Has he ever been judged the winner? Now, we know for a fact that he did win some of those debates. But the point is that they do these flash polls, and he is not deemed the winner. And he won 67 to 33 percent in CNN's flash poll last night. And they were trying to spin it. Caitlin Collins was still trying to spin it.