text:  to survive that kind of stuff and to not show it as well and to keep going on. But it never, never, he never changed his focus. If I remember, he lived down in Florida, didn't he? Yes, he did. He lived down in Florida. And I believe it was maybe 2014. I can't remember exactly the time. But I was attending a UFO conference in Sebring. Paula Harris was with Starworks USA. Right. Had a conference going on.