text:  To me, Clay, if after that debate they do this pull the ripcord, it's effectively guaranteeing Trump wins. Guaranteeing Trump wins. That's why I don't think they can do it. And see, Mike, and we'll talk about this some tomorrow because I do think it's important to think about it. My thesis on this is that allows them to turn the conversation from trying to defend Biden, which is almost impossible, right? He's the incumbent. You have to defend him. You get Biden and Kamala off the stage...