text:  And everyone knows an audio tape is better than some kind of transcript. So that applies to both the Zwanitzer tape, where he's talking, the ghostwriter Zwanitzer is talking to the vice president, and it applies to when Robert Herr's team is talking to Vice President Biden. We want that evidence. That's why we held Merrick Garland in contempt and why we're moving tomorrow to hold Mr. Zwanitzer in contempt unless he turns over what we're entitled to have.