text:  To me, Clay, if after that debate they do this, pull the ripcord, it's effectively guaranteeing Trump wins, guaranteeing Trump wins. That's why I don't think they can do it. And see, Mike, my and we'll talk about this some tomorrow because I do think it's important to think about it. My my thesis on this is that allows them to turn the conversation from trying to defend Biden, which is almost impossible.