text:  mature galaxies close to the beginning of time. And so it's really rocking the astrophysicist world right now in the science world because we've all brought up on the big bang theory. Now that may have to be modified or even scrapped for newer theories like the toroidal theory where galaxies will explode and disintegrate and also reappear on the other end like a big toroid. So it's kind of an endless system.