text:  And so you had that. That's really good. What happened next? I mean, that remorse, how were you dealing with Jodi and what were you saying to her? Well, Jim, you know what? The thing was this is, you know, I was at the rock bottom, you know, people say that all the time, but I was there, man. I mean, I had some, you know, rough edges that need to be filed off and Jodi let me come with her to this pastor's office. That's amazing too, quite frankly. It was incredible. And we went into this pastor's office and he asked us, it was the most unconventional counseling technique I've