text:  Well, little did we know that he went in for open-heart surgery like three weeks earlier. And we just said, well, maybe you should go to the doctor and get some checkup. Maybe your heart's still sick. Who knows what's wrong? But still, it was interesting to me. I went to a seminar where a reverse speech where he was doing his seminars, and some guy, we were doing a reversal on him, and he said he ripped off his boss.