text:  I was in real estate. Real estate. That's amazing. No chemical, chemist background or nothing, huh? No, no. I was a hippie. And so what I wanted to do was make what I thought was an organic product back then. And it turned out I was dead on certain right. We're listed by the Organic Materials Review Institute. OMRI has allowed in organic production. We've been there for over 20 some odd years.