text:  Now, Jim, you may not go to this kind of language, but I would call that the deep state, the one that Donald Trump promises to help start to dismantle the way he did in his first term. If he gets a second term, and I think he will at this point after last night's debate, he could go in and say we're going to rein in a bunch of these federal agencies and there will be lawsuits that will challenge the federal agencies and they no longer get the benefit of the doubt. Citizens' rights gets the benefit of the doubt.