text:  So I think the only one that gets anything out of it really is probably going to be father and maybe son because I'm sure he loves his dad. But in terms of it being some kind of accomplishment where we're going to look at it as like this iconic thing. No, I think it will be a talking point and there'll be a lot of things said about it. And there'll be a man. It's nice to see a father's love for his son and all that kind of stuff. True. But you have to separate that from the way in which it happened. And I don't think you're going to be able to do that entirely.