text:  is one thing, you see it in the notes of the convention, you see him, his thinking, it's not a new argument, but you've seen it develop as it goes right before your eyes, is this notion that, well, you know, man has interests. Human nature has interests. It's in the very nature of man. But there's also an upside to man as well, which is they're also capable of thinking about high, important political principles. But we must design government to take both of those