text:  We take time today to talk about James Madison pre-presidency, specifically around the founding of our country. Dr. Spalding, thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. Great to be here. And we talk today from the Boyle Studio inside the Kirby Center at Hillsdale in D.C. I realize recently we've done this show for five years or so now, and I don't think we have had a specific segment discussing the great James Madison. We're changing that today.