text:  Donald Trump came across as kind of bickering and petty and just smaller than the presidency in his first debate against Joe Biden in 2020. And he needed something different. He needs to rise above and meet the challenge. And truly, with all the interruptions and Joe Biden telling him to shut up, that was not a presidential debate. Now you've got two presidents going after each other and recognize that the voters that you're trying to appeal to are not the ones that are in your camp right now.