text:  Fair. Let me ask you this, Martha. Do you think Biden has more to lose tonight than Trump does? Who do you think has more to lose? Honestly, I think they both do, Jimmy. I mean, they're both former presidents. This isn't the kind of situation that we're used to where there's a new guy or a new woman on the stage who people are kind of like, let's kick the tires on this and see how this goes. You know, we've kicked the tires on both of these cars for four years. We've changed the tires.