text:  OK, there's no defined victory in Ukraine. Russia is, I don't know, five times the size population wise. OK, we can keep sending money. But the point is, if you can't articulate what would constitute victory at some point, we'd be wise to start protecting our own border as much as we're protecting Ukraine's. Doesn't mean give Putin his way, but it does mean America should matter at some point. And Trump's ability to articulate that.