text:  So you're hitching a ride. Yeah, Mr. Bruce Cathy of New Zealand talks about the world grid system. And he doesn't talk about tectonic plates. The Russians talk about it, too. And it's like Plato talked about the hall of the sphere, which is a dodecahedron. Well, I believe in Hoagland's 19.5 degrees. There's no getting around it. Oh, would you like to comment on Mr. Hoagland's 19.5? Yeah, in fact, I called him when I suddenly noticed...