text:  Which, by the way, was an effective one-liner for Biden. I'm sure it was programmed. I think the thing to remember is that Joe Biden didn't win either of the debates in 2020. Donald Trump lost the first debate, and I would argue Donald Trump won the second debate. And it's why he made the election closer than people thought it might be. Okay. So in the end, how important do you think debates are? I mean, we're so far away from November.