text:  If you're just joining us, we're talking to David Madlen. He's a senior fellow with the American Worker Project at the Center for American Progress. We'll be right back after a short break. This is Fresh Air. Support for HPR comes from the Chamber of Sustainable Commerce with a Hilo-Palhana mixer this evening at Sweet Cane Cafe on Kamana Street. Registration at chamberofsustainablecommerce.org.