text:  and bring change. And I think he'll become progressively more radical for pragmatic reasons. It's a sort of different way round to how people usually set up as political leaders. They set out their big vision and then usually fail. And that sort of increases disillusionment about politics. I think Keir Starmer's trying to do the other way round. Do the obvious, straightforward things first. And if those aren't enough, then he'll become more radical and go further. That's how he's led the Labour Party and how he's changed the Labour Party at a rate of knots in the last four and a half years.