text:  Just turning over into my second REM sleep. Thank you so much for coming on, James Kamara. Sammy, who, of course, you can catch many times on this programme and indeed The World Tonight at a little bit of a later broadcast time as well. Funny, isn't it? I suppose. I don't know. It's in our DNA somewhere. Early birds and night owls. James, the smarter of the two, apparently. You're listening to NewsHour.