text:  it would make a huge improvement in our community. And when you're thinking about ways in which this group has succeeded in having this conversation when in the past such dialogue has failed, acknowledging there is a debate and not trying to win, like almost taking the meta approach to talk about what it means that there's a debate, that seems big. Yeah, I think that was a big aha that was actually, you know, a lot of it stemmed from even,