text:  But Kahumano was barren. She couldn't have kids. And so you have all these nuances about Kahumano. And I'm not a Kahumano scholar. But she's such an interesting, colorful character. Because any one of that could inform her worldview, could inform the decision she makes. Because in my experience, the mother instinct is the most powerful thing I've ever seen. And I'm not pandering, really.