text:  Kim Campbell, former Canadian Prime Minister, and Preston Manning of Canada's Reform Party were talking to Ben Henderson. The effects of that 1993 election in Canada are still being felt 30 years later. That's it from this edition of the History Hour. As ever, we'll be back next week to hear more first-hand stories from the past. But until then, this is Max Pearson from all of us here. Thanks for listening. Goodbye.