text:  Neither of us ever talked about suicide. We were the most optimistic people there were. In fact, we kind of fancied ourselves leading sort of a charmed life. I mean, after all, we came from the slum to Caltech and Harvard and Cambridge. And so we didn't have any problem with life. And the next thing about that moment was one of the biggest things happening was that I just had a baby and he was really excited about meeting his niece.