text:  It sounds very, very inventive. I know you also loved the outdoors. And when you were teenagers, when you were 17, you went on this expedition, you and your brother, you headed to the Grand Canyon. Tell me about that expedition. It was our very first outdoor experience of any kind, which is sort of a ridiculous place to start because it's a gigantic place. And since we had grown up in L.A. and never been outside of L.A., we didn't really realize...