text:  Always lovely to join. Thank you. Thank you so much. And if you happen to not be taking notes and need a list of the titles mentioned by our guests today, we've got you covered. Go to our website, sciencefriday.com slash summerbooks to find all the books mentioned in today's conversation, plus a few extra we didn't have time to talk about today. That's sciencefriday.com slash summerbooks.