text:  And often when we approach value differences and we don't necessarily realize their value differences, and so we try to argue for the logic of the way that we're looking at the issue. And so sort of as you said, if we take a step back and try to take a more meta approach and think about how are we talking about what we're trying to do, that was what led us to really realize we're only seeing a little piece of the system. And so...