text:  Well, sometimes you need more of them. I mean, if you think back to the Vietnam War in the late 60s, you had the anti-Vietnam War protests. And they were enough to start changing public opinion, but weren't big enough to really tip the system. There was too much power in the system that was still supporting involvement in the war. So I think today what we're seeing is the need for more of these disruptive movements to emerge in the climate change space, in the ecological space. And they're having big impacts in some countries, like in the Netherlands.