text:  to Ukraine from the EU. So clearly there have been tensions. But I think Viktor Orban here was trying to present himself as speaking in his role as the rotating president of the EU and very much in that role trying to present himself as more statesmanlike rather than this slightly more oppositional figure that we've seen in the past. But no doubt that it would not have been an easy meeting, I think, behind the scenes, judging from even just the short parts we saw in public.