text:  We said, basically, you know, this document, the Constitution, is not perfect, but I don't know if it'll ever be perfect. And I have problems with it, but as I get older, I begin to doubt my convictions more. And so many people, as they get older, and older can be 40 or can be 70, they become more set in their ways and more absolutist. And not Franklin. Yeah, he was like, like you said, the grandfather. And at the same time, I guess if I wanted to have a beer with one of the founders, I'd want to have a beer with Ben Franklin.