 16 years since i've started free to equal elections and you guys do real debates too that's the thing that's interesting of course your presidential debate is coming up on july 12th it's going to be at caesar's forum in las vegas at freedom fest and uh you know there's a difference between debates and what we call question and answers and it just seemed to me that last night we saw a question and answer session where nobody came out on top and one did very badly and what's great is you want some fresh and you want some interesting ideas and the only place to get it is from another