 And a client came in, and he shows me his portfolio. Another client got all these closed-end funds. And I said, so clearly, what that tells me, when I see closed-end funds, it says you're chasing yield. Well, that's about right, he says. So what do you know about these? What's been the total return of these closed-end? I don't know. I don't have a clue. Don't you think you should know?