 How about housing? Do you want to talk about housing? You probably would qualify." And he would just keep saying, no, no, no, no. I don't want to talk about it. And he would go stay across the street in front of one of the office buildings until the office opened up in the morning. And then he would head on over here. We went through that for a couple of years when he finally said one day, yeah, I'm ready to talk about housing. What are we talking about?