 The idea, again, I think that they would both fairly treat it. And I will say, I think where Joe Biden failed is that they didn't prep him on what it's like to do a debate without an audience. But President Trump doesn't need to prep on that. Because people who do a lot of television, like I'm doing right now with you and talking into the camera, understand you talk into the camera. And you kind of have to envision lots of people.