 under a grilling when there's lights. And in this case, there's no audience. So you don't have that kind of natural adrenaline boost that you get when people are cheering for you. That's really what it comes across is who's more fit, who has the more stamina to be president of the United States. That's what may come out here. What's interesting is you also have two candidates who are also like running to protect themselves from actual legal prosecution. I mean, with Joe Biden, it's his son, Hunter Biden.