 It's the same thing, right? Understand the emotional component, and then that's where the planning can help. Now, that's just a different scenario of someone who's kind of trying to get themselves out of a spin cycle in a hole, but I think the idea, at least in my opinion, comes across the same as the emotions are almost just as important as the number aspect of it. Yeah, and Jeremiah, one of the things that would have been important for this individual that you were talking with to grasp is that planning is not permanent, right?