 They're kind of waiting with bated breath for consumers' last gasp to come. And we know that they're out of pandemic savings. So most of what we see as increases are strategic and seasonal in nature. They're not the kind of healthy spending growing that we see most of the time. Steve Beeman, Peter's talking about the consumer. I know you focus a lot with your company. You deal a lot with small businesses. Let me play for you a clip. Wall Street Journal, Mario Grady says, we're not seeing the business investment tick up. It's been very low. Here's the clip.