 all the time you know it's it's a it's a lot of fun uh strategizing with him and and frankly trying to keep up you know he had a pretty good teacher coming up uh and and i got to thinking about that i thought you know i've never asked alvin how this all started for him who taught you how to fish how did this all get started with you well my uh my granddad taught me to fish um and we started fishing together uh from the time i was