 Pat and Stu for Glenn this week. I think part of the problem is that for years we were told, hey, don't even talk about abortion. This is too controversial. It's too divisive. And you're not going to get anywhere with anybody anyway. You're not going to convince anybody to be pro-life who's not. And you're not going to convince anybody to be pro-choice who's pro-life. So just don't talk about it.