 The whole exchange was both fascinating and instructive. For example, if the idea that human rights are not universal seems strange, well, that just shows how deeply Western you are. See, for most of history, as Holland described in his book Dominion, the idea that humans have self-evident rights to life and liberty in the pursuit of happiness or something like that would have just been baffling. As he put it, a Roman would have laughed at it. And yet today, that kind of rights language is central to how we conceive of our life together.