 If you're a fan of Breakpoint, leave us a review at your favorite podcast app. And for more resources, visit us at Breakpoint.org. Manipulation of the empty. Because it's pretty easy to move an empty vessel. It's very hard to move a vessel that's full of concrete thinking. Do you think it's just they don't know anything? Or do they know this stupid idea of human nature, which is that it is perfectible? Well, I would say it's a combination of two things.