 And then to finish off this segment before we talk to our guest, who is Frank Paskvin. He is an affiliate professor with the University of Alaska Fairbanks, co-author of a study that looked at carbon capture and storage opportunities associated with a new coal-fired power plant out in the West Sioux area here in the Mat-Su Valley. So before I talk to Frank, and we're going to do that when we come back to the Energy Hour here in a few minutes,