 He is going to render vengeance. It's going to involve everlasting punishment, and it will be horrible. He describes it as everlasting destruction. Now, let's talk about this. Obviously, I'm getting a lot of debates when I'm witnessing, whether it's Jehovah Witnesses, Estes, you name it. But this verse right here happens to be a verse that many of the cults like to use to teach a doctrine called annihilation.