 off stage i only know him on stage i moderated a debate with him i i've interviewed him scores of times but i only know him publicly she told me he's quite kind and i was very surprised by that do you know jd vance so i know him a little better than the average bear i've i've uh interviewed him and interacted with him a bit over the years i was actually kind of a i know this is going to sound odd uh you i was actually kind of a critic of his book