 was married to a woman who worked for my mother and and i i wanted to be a scientist when i was growing up so i would go to nih all the time and look through the microscopes and see the mice and the rats and the guinea pigs and the cages and you know that was just fascinating to me but what happened in 1980 we passed a law called the by dole act and it was about the time that anthony fauci almost exactly the time that he took over nih he'd been there since 68