 Another one of the sources described Biden as getting defensive about the polls. At one point, Pelosi asked Mike Donilon, Biden's longtime advisor, to get on the line to talk over the data because she knows that the data Biden has is just BS. This phone call would mark the second known conversation between the California lawmaker and Biden since the president's disastrous debate on June 27th. While the exact date of the conversation was not clear, one source described it as being within the last week. Pelosi and Biden also spoke in early July.