 sure yeah so so ben is a venture capital investor but he also used to work at a software company called notion which is a project management company it's very popular in the tech industry it's kind of like if you've ever used google docs it's like a very souped up google docs they link to each other they have all this stuff embedded in them and they were using it to manage their household and their relationship and you know some of this stuff makes a lot of sense it's like oh here's our copy of our lease we're going to store it somewhere where we can both easily