 And it took him a lot longer than just three and a half years to get the degree. But he did it, paying for it that way. Right. I mean, that used to happen. Now that's considered, I guess, impossible or something. You can't work your way through it. You can't earn money to make your own money before you get there. You can't do any of those things. You've got to go through college, accrue the debt, and then have somebody else pay it off for you.