 So they don't have a clue, but they're experts and they'll tell you they're experts and you better listen to them or you're a denier. So again, we need, we need to cut our purse strings from some of these organizations like the university of Alaska. If it can compete against APU Wayland and the others, that's fine. They can compete, but they should do it without the purse strings of the Alaskan taxpayer or