 Well, and of course, the affordability of energy, whether or not we burn Alaska gas or somebody else's gas, we've got to have that stability and we've got to have an option. And I'm not stuck so much on Alaska gas as I am, again, the sustainability issue of it in the long run. Well, I think that's where the copper value comes in. I think we have some sustainability potential here that isn't gas, that isn't energy.