 that sounds reasonable to me now i know it doesn't sound reasonable to ukraine and at least the way now tell me if you think i'm being unfair to joe biden when i say my my understanding is his position is i think he's even said total defeat of russia which sounded bizarre because i i don't see that likelihood but if if what he meant by that is russia out of all areas of ukraine i don't see that happening either so it's almost as though he set the condition such