 or grandma and grandpa, or various players in that family say, I need to have a private conversation with you about where this is going. And it's not subterfuge. It's because there are times you can talk, say, more unvarnished if you do it out of everybody else's earshot, and then come back and say, look, we're together on this, and this is where we want to go. Is that a good metaphor for it?