 Oh, the Supreme Court justice whose name I can't remember, who said, you know, I can't tell you how to define it, but you'll know it when you see it. I think that's when we'll know where we are. But I wanted to bring on Jeff Paul, who's a research professor at Social Philosophy Center at West Virginia University, professor emeritus at Bowling Green University, and author of a new book called Winning America's Second Civil War, Progressivism's Authoritarian Threat, Where It Came From.