 I have a friend, Robert Bletchman, who also was friends with Don Schmidt, by the way. He was my father's colleague. My father was a lawyer. He became a mayor. He was a politician. And so during the 80s, when the Hudson River Valley incident took place, there was a lot of sightings, which wasn't far from us and also over a body of water. We were contacted by Bletchman, who was also the public relations director for MUFON. We didn't know what MUFON was.