 And Joe hated the way this turned out so much. And he regarded himself as a sucker for listening to the media and doing the interview. He didn't do another interview, Charlie, for almost 15 years, which is sounds impossible in our modern day social media age. I mean, Trump has basically confined himself to true social for last week and a half. So everyone's acting like he disappeared off the face of the earth. I mean, you may have noticed that this morning that that's what people are doing.