 That became part of his persona and the interest that he generated, not just for his knowledge, but who he was and how much he dedicated his life to the Shroud, even though he wasn't that Jewish. Are you going to his funeral? I haven't heard anything about it yet. I was literally on the phone this afternoon with Russ Brio, who's headed out there. He's going to be going to Barry's house with Joe Marino, and they have a conference in Colorado.