 But Barry impacted so many people. I mean, he was like the grand poobah because he would so be willing to talk to anyone who called him. And I would get this all the time. People would call me and want to know about what we're doing with the shadow. And they would say, oh, I talked to Barry Schwartz. And I was like, oh, that's so great. And I used to hear that all the time. Barry would talk to anybody who just called him out of the blue and spent time with them and nurtured their interest.