 And even though he's going to look ridiculous, maybe he might just do that. So you got to come up with ways to get under their skin. So there's no way they can avoid it. So they will be embarrassed if they don't respond to that. And yet also not always take the bait. It's a good juggling act and it's a difficult juggling act, even for the most smart and shrewdest of people out there. I've done many a debate.