 Ellie Rubenstein who, um, you know, his father is David Rubenstein and Carlisle manages some of the permanent fund money. And then there was some meetings that were set up with between, you know, she facilitated meetings between some staff and her dad and then trying to set up meetings between, she has her own fund that's based on like food, it's called mandatory. So she had tried to set up meetings with, with some of her investors actually in permanent funds. And there was just emails about that and concern about, you know, the appropriateness of that. And then there was also, you know, the emails that was said,