 Well, I'm one example. I'm one example of somebody who called him out of the blue. And I was stunned about he spoke to me for an hour and a half. That's not unusual. That is absolutely not unusual. Yeah, that happened quite a bit. Myra, when we come back. Yeah, go ahead. Can you can you. I was just going to say you've got something. I was going to say that he in this interview that I did in 2020 with him.