Victoria challenged the premise of this line of reasoning this libertarian logic maybe, she suggested, we don't own ourselves after all if you reject the libertarian case against redistribution there would seem to be an incentive to break into the libertarian line of reasoning at the earliest, at the most modest level which is why a lot of people disputed that taxation is morally equivalent to forced labor but what about the big claim the premise, the big idea underlying the libertarian argument, is it true that we own ourselves or can we do without that idea and still of avoid what libertarians want to avoid creating a society and an account of Justice where some people can be just used for the sake of other people's welfare or even for the sake of the general good 