leave microsoft got tires for offbeat bill gates solely in stocks steve you just he screamed boxes to defraud the phone companies in finally saw package as a possible road parker's whether they're conscious about others was about it or not make a statement about how we should treat information and some years after like michael came out but one of the boy wrote about installment got very probably explosively about open software healthy leave software should be for it for years and freedom not freezing here as as he put it there behind it whether misguided or not there's a political influence activism was a term coined by uqroo called call to the dead calves aloft had an interesting relationship with the cult does that count we've actually there was three members that were in both organizations here we kind of kept like a serious security research that they were doing they would do under the law flame if they're doing some sort of just goofy start like things they would do it under the cult of dade county and because the cultivate how was really kind of armed absorb like a propaganda text organization they had a guy who's a minister mr propaganda they're kinda merry pranksters like everything they did was complete over the top you know they would dress up like mister t sometimes they would do rap signs at that time i carafe performance one of the guys there i think is news t fish for traffic tweety fish coined the term activism because he saw what he is one of these his group was doing what she called activism was writing software that people in other countries could use to communicate securely even if their government was spying on them so the principal was really was freedom of expression it was everyone should have access to the internet everyone should be able to communicate and get their message out on the internet even more important in countries where there was repressive regimes so if you said something gets the regime they would come and take you away and you were saying more a good place to start are where the black his often been called virtual stands which she's the tactic uh... edging out surface attack windows service has been around for along 