let's say that they get released, and those photons on their first pass, and I think you know where this is going, on their first pass they would get to us they would get to us in about, this looks like a distance of about, I don't know, this looks like about 6 billion years. then they would pass us up and then they would get back to this point again in another 6 billion years and then they would come back here, so that very first pass of photons are going to be right over here and from our point of view, we're not going to see them for a couple of billion years so when we do see them we're going to perceive them we're going to say "Wow, it took 15, 16 billion years for that photon to get to me that must be from something out here" but the reality is it's a photon from something within a smaller physical universe, within a smaller actual universe that has just taken several passes by us and we're just seeing a pass after 14 billion years we just think it's from something further out. 