We don't, we don't read too many conservative thinkers, or I should say, these are thinkers that are used by conservatives. they, they actually not, maybe not themselves conservatives thinkers, but Leo Strauss who was German and American political theorist writes in Natural Right and History, that Rousseau's thesis that man is by nature good, must be understood in the light of his contention that man is by nature, sub-human. 