Katrina ask them to give charity but if you tax them it's like forcing them to labor could you tell Michael Jordan he has to skip next week's games and go down to help the people displaced by hurricane Katrina? morally it's the same so the stakes are very high so far we've heard some objections to the libertarian argument but if you want to reject it you have to break into this chain of reasoning which goes taking my earnings is like taking my labor but taking my labor is making me a slave and if you disagree with that you must believe in the principle of self-possession those who disagree gather your objections and we'll begin with them next time. anyone like to take up that point? yes 