And facing debt, facing economic challenges, you know, realising that for a lot of young artists when they kind of, move into their practice, they don't have all of the holistic skills that they need in terms of understanding things like contracts and intellectual property and, you know, they don't- there's not enough relationships with producers, or people who support the infrastructure of their work, and that a lot of young people aren't properly prepared in educational institutions for the reality of life after education and being actually practicing artists. 