I also think that building on what Gardner said as a response to your question that the actual cyber infrastructure as posed by an individual, a domain and a space allows IT departments to re-imagine this question of aggregating, syndicating information as it is happening around space so it does not mean like the IT department disappears, or somehow the enemy but it allows them to re-imagine this notion of flow and this kind of property of electricity that McLuhan is talking about so beautifully and if we are talking about electricity and flow we're talking about a new property by which we can start to imagine space through the students having their own and so IT departments should be as much excited about the possibilities for this rather than ....ing an age old against them it's not, I mean it's a kind of matter of us working together to re-imagine the space and I think that's why the immediate call back to that doesn't capture, I think what that model sets up as a notion and a mode of aggregation to kind of build into the syndication 