Some are much more social and exploratory and I think even when we talk about play there's just like with interest based learning, I think theres sort of this idealized notion where the affect is about pleasure and fun and exploration but I think there are other forms of affect that can go with experimentation and inquiry based learning that don't necessarily have those affective dimensions and that have this pursuit of excellence or productivity or making contributions to the world, making your best contribution to a collective. 