And I think the same thing is true for IT folks when they go to..I've been to some IT conferences and , you know, a lot of times what they are hearing about are anecdotes of spectacular catastrophes or whatever but you're not able to actually... and there may be some good reasons for this to some extent but they're not able to see dazzling examples of innovation in a very easy and accessible way so I think that open educational resources is a lot more than about exposing content it's about exposing these compelling examples of other ways to do it it's like being able to see multiple performances of Shakespeare 