Went to another section of the hospital to be told that he was ok, and she didn't believe that, so she went back to her tohunga, went back to her people, and tried to get them to help and to be told... and this was something very, very new to me, I had no idea that this sort of thing was happening, that in this particular area, every five generations goes through a period of suicide, murder, rape and all those type of thing - every five generations. 