But there was a foreman in the shop, but these did their own job er and er in the  about three or four weeks, and I'm only a kid, erm they had me doing separate jobs you know, not for a gaffer or anything and er they used to, they give me odd jobs as, you know like, to help the men and er it went of like that in  till I was eighteen or nineteen, well twenty, that time you were, day, become a man.