But there again er it was the time we lived in and  you had certain Well yards had their own way of trying to keep track of when a guy was in a toilet etcetera and sometimes you would have to hand in y your er your time ticket, to the toilet attendant, and you would give him this ticket and he would say right you are,you know, and mark down your number on a book and say to you, well you've got seven minutes or something you know.