I said well that's what is, I said if you look at it the depreciation is so heavy  compared with the income, and I said and the insurance as well but I said hopefully cos we haven't had any  of er  any claims at all this year  you know, I said I know but all of the insurances of gone up, but I said  I'm hoping that we can sort of get the insurance down if possible  so he said, yeah fair enough then.