What  what we mustn't do with Honey and Munnford is just take things at face value because what Honey and Munnford did is they actually carried out interviews with a thousand people  and what they decided that I mean they carried out interviews with er lots of people  thousand and they had a general study where they carried out interviews with a thousand people and what they said was that  in particular with the reflector a l some, some scores are naturally higher than others  and that what we can't do is just sort of look at these and say well this is the highest score, therefore I'm much more of a, of a reflector than I have of, I am of the other three, all we actually need to do is compare our scores against the general norms.