What I am trying to do is to, is to question  the wisdom of introducing more rules and regulations and every time I try and raise this issue, whether it be in standing committee or on the floor of the house, quite understandably the chairman or the  speaker, deputy speaker in your case, raises the point  that in fact I'm going outside the rules and regulations and the result is  you can never challenge the whole principle because every time one tries to challenge it one gets up and that's the disease I'm afraid we've now er facing in this country.