Then the, the Assistant Secretary for Education was erm a very interesting chap erm he was a Mr A O D  and erm he was, he had erm an elementary school background, he hadn't a degree or any qualification but he'd been in  so long that er he'd worked his way up to erm,s erm to Assistant Secretary for Education and he was a jolly chap and erm and he produced a, a dictionary of erm, of the Suffolk dialect which has became quite erm, quite a classic work really