No it isn't erm and erm  even those who in, in my experience who did get through there was just an occasional er time when they didn't pass that part of it, they, they, they, they couldn't quite manage that, the height side frightened them and er they failed, erm so there's quite a lot of demands on them and I'm sure  that a lot of women could do it and a lot of women  if they had the chance would do it or would, if they were willing to do it, but it's not something that grabs most women, I don't think it does, I think it's the physical side that puts them off, and that is what is the problem with the Fire Service, it is a physical job.