now the best of the timber he had Gottonam Peters, the builders that were, I mean they were building a lot then and I'm going back now to the fifties and the sixties Gottonam Peters they'd done a lot of building in Upton in Chester and erm, developments er expect building sort of thing and er, they used to buy in all the three by twos and four by threes that he could get, the good ones second hand 