And er I lost touch with her after that but Joyce was very nice, very, very  a down to earth cockney girl from Hockston  and she said er  she'd tell her sister  she said I do admire my sister she said they'll never have anything other than a council house, I don't suppose  but she said  my brother-in-law  mends people's motorcycles  as a side line  and the money that he gets from that  he gives her most of it  and she buys things on hire purchase, this was the days when hire purchase wasn't  fearsomely expensive