Yeah yeah certainly, erm I think that's er  that's good, well if, if you can, if you can access it er in some way informally or, or, you know, it's probably un unlikely that you'd get too much stuff in writing as you say but, you know, er it could be very er  productive and interesting erm  tt erm can that sort of thing, particularly if you can get it in terms of quotes from people, you can sort of, you know, make a project look quite nice because it looks like if you do all this, you know, sort of stuff with the attitude scales it, it's   er it gives you lots of nice numerical data but er 