So, I mean these are the supporters that they, they've got to sort of focus on erm  even i he does say that some of the erm er leaders of the associations  aren't actually up to scratch but he says eighty five percent of them are and it would be wrong to attack or to arrest, you know, the other fifteen percent and it's got to come from their own discipline of the association, you let the movement grow together, don't  try and er become er, you know, resisting forces because er these are the people who we've got to erm s stay with and to look after, to harness erm to work for and er  so that's basically, is his conclusion.