I mean erm  you know erm  when I go to the London  Group erm we all know that erm actually er  there's a kind of, there's an inner feeling you know well we've got the right computers, we, we're the you know, we, we believe  computing and we, we're very sorry  you know we're erm  we may not actively despise them, but we, we're sorry that they have to bother with such an awful operating system and everything else.