Because, what you're going back to, just reemphasizing the point earlier, you're speaking one-to-one, you're not trying to convince a, a group of, of , of councillors, you're trying to actually convey a message and, yes, you're trying to convince, but you're actually trying to convey a message doing one-to-one interview, across to people who know nothing about it, whereas councillors purport to know something about it.