and my Lord er the appeal to the court of appeal er which is at erm tab five was exclusively on the issue of whether Lord Justice  and the divisional court were correct in the ruling they have docted for the interim, er and the court of appeal judgement, the main judgement is given by Lord Justice  er reviewed with and the erm the heart of Lord Justice  judgement on this issue is to be found at page nineteen my Lord of the transcript  passage that begins  my reading of this judgment  down to the bottom of that paragraph at letter G, so from B to G on page nineteen.