We read the, read the agreements differently to what they did but he'd lean towards the drivers, conductors and he gave away a lot of what  had tried to erm stop them from having because they weren't really entitled to it but he saw differently and gave it away and course once you've given it away you, no way of retracting it, but then  came in and, well, I mean he was a real transport man, his, his vision and his ideas were really good and he made it what it is today.