Erm  be because  out of that debate this morning I sense you have much to offer the rest of us  and I hope that that conversation will not be a conversation confined your Synod or to the  to the assembly of URC  but that we'll find ways of sharing that perception of ministry  with those of us in other churches  cos  you don't need me to tell me, tell you that that key question in the whole ecumenical debate, not just in these nations but worldwide  and I think that from within this reform tradition in which I share  I will hope that we will find ways of offering that perception  of ministry, in all its forms  as erm, a symbol and a sign of the ministry of the whole people of God  we have that to offer the churches in Wales  and worldwide  and I hope that we can find ways of doing that.