I'm sure there are people who don't sort of bother  with them at all, you know just saw er  a man he dropped he's erm, he dropped his till receipt and he looked as if he had a tremendous amount you know in his basket so I reckon it would of been over, but there was no erm cos you get it stamped  yes so we have er, yes I'd forgotten about those little erm chickens of course , so we can have that roast