you know kind of there's all this  quips about sort of semen making your hair grow and all that kind of thing erm you know so erm  it's, it's, it's one of these things that erm sort of erm kind of people, people s slip into on the basis of  you know th er as far as I could tell there was no sort of firm evidence that these blokes were gay or heterosexual apart from judgments made on their demeanour and personal appearance erm  you know but er you know it gave rise to a whole range of, you know, kind of supposedly humorous talk erm in that context erm  so  there's a whole range of things erm tt you know sort of talk and mannerisms and, and er, you know, kind of also gossip and suspicions about them, oh is he married  if not does he have a girlfriend, if not ooh I wonder if he's gay, you know, kind of things that we understand about people's relationships feed into it so