Mm, mm  its one of the great arguments from the old fashioned sort of religion, that you could turn, you could definitely turn to people and say  why are you leaning on me so hard, for all this to fought, you ought to be reading your bible, saying your prayers, going to church and getting in touch with the boss  why I laughed when they were saying that Terry Waite would need counselling, I bet that Terry Waite was praying his head off and he'd memorised masses of the bible which he would be reciting to himself probably set himself two o'clock every afternoon, I remember what I can, book of  you know  I don't suppose he'd needed any counselling, he'd probably do better counselling other people.