But erm, it was suggested  about a year or so before I left, that I might take what was called The Gardeners Scholarship to erm The Royal  College for the Blind, which in those days was at erm Upper Norwood S E nineteen and erm so erm I had no objections, I didn't,I didn't  see any future at all in it anyway, but erm I took this erm scholarship examination, went up to the R N C to  work erm some papers and to be interviewed and erm, much to my surprise they erm offered me one of these scholarships which was worth forty pounds a year for three years in the Commercial Department of the College which was an innovation really as  erm primarily a College of Music for erm blind students and erm  so off I went to the R N C of sixteen and erm did my three year course and got erm some R S A certificates and  erm was reasonably successful I suppose I, perhaps  I wasn't  as diligent as I should have been.