And this man used to go up, do you know I've heard my father say he's come up three or four times a week and help him and when they slaughtered the things they used to have the slaughterhouse down the piste years ago, as I'm talking about  sixty, sixty, seventy years ago, sixty years ago, where they used to slaughter the stuff, you see, down the piste and this was the Christmas show this was, all these hindquarters of beef.