So as I say I, I found Friday very useful, I found the er, the renewed routines, although we, I mean we all had lots of problems with the videos, they didn't come out  but it didn't really matter because the three of us in our group sat there and very openly, very honestly, and without any personal animosity whatsoever  helped each other and that again, as I say very useful  and so above all a and I think it's something that I  feel very strongly about because we haven't talked to people we've, in English, understandable language about what this is all about.