Well the, the fourth point in relation to er we say that the point has been fully pleaded, corsation is a question of fact, the, er, it's not an issue which we say arises on these preliminary issues and  can raise it er under order eighteen, rule nineteen, if they so wish, that is traditionally the places where it seems nexus points arise erm and they will put in, er app , we will put in, the defendants will put in appropriate evidence at that point, depending upon whether the, the strike out allows evidence and how they frame their strike out, but the nexus point is fully pleaded, we set out step by step and in relation to er restrictions how they were caused the loss, my Lord at that point, at this point we believe that's all we have to do and certainly we believe that it be sufficient to get over a strike out