Erm you, you did, you know, you did summarize with what you thought you, you'd established erm you went through to, to get your second appointment  Steve threw, you know, the objection in about sending it in the post and what have you  erm er and, and you o you overcame that erm successfully but I think the other thing that, that with, with the ANNA it, it  unless you get that authority the rest of it is meaningless  because you know you can't go on and, and, well you can agree the needs but there's no way that he's, he's gonna agree to do it now or when you go back or, or even perhaps agree on the amount.