And  this method of actually going there  living with them, learning their language  and er so on s,really participating  er  would, finally there's a way of actually  in a sense, getting  of the people, the nearer you can, anyway, of course , it's relying on the people you stay with  that you understand that something of the world comes over onto you  so that imposing  what's essential in   and  So, here what Judith Oakley's trying to do, is trying to understand  how  gypsies, themselves, differentiate , how do they define the boundaries between themselves and others.