And things like Time Out and so on, and City Limits, tried on the listings in the culture front seem to be seduced by, on the one hand, the need to simply provide information in terms of the listings, or then they felt some kind of twinge of conscience and had to be counter-balanced by radical politics on the other side, which produced a completely split, a paper that you could tear in half and read it as two sort of separate things, and erm and they always erm and something like that always felt 