The sorts of experiences that you then get people talking about is really well I've learnt to stand up for myself for the first time, erm I now know what I want to do, I know who I am, erm projects where I've been involved, where you get women saying things like well two years ago I would never have dreamt of going and talking to the Council about my house, or my children, or that I can't get a job because I can't get child care, and I wouldn't have dreamt of doing that and people who now say well now I can do that, I know that I can go and stand up for myself and stand up for what I think is right, just as well as my husband can.