I mean I, I was quite fascinated having lunch one day with a journ a Melbourne journalist  erm and this was about six months after Murdoch had taken over the Melbourne Sun  all this  and we were chatting away and I actually threw in the stuff which  were saying about how papers are there to make profits these days  so that's what drives them and that journalists  journalists on newspapers such as Murdoch's papers, write what they're supposed to write and she and I got quite out of with one another and  and  the bottom liner was that she, she absolutely totally and utterly denied what we were saying  and I said to her okay  if you were given a story to write  you know and it was opposite to how you would view it, what would you do and she said oh well I, I would have to write it  and the issue with the Murdoch papers and it's quite interesting because I mean I'm sure you can  with other newspapers but I, I've just got a bit more  is that Murdoch never ever writes a minute or a memo to his editor or staff saying this is what the line is  ever.