ought to be said really, since Alan is not here and is erm  is resigning, well perhaps that could come  a little later on  because I think both Joan and  Alan  er there should be some record other than this about the work they have put in for the  Society  er  I mean the only idea I have, I don't know how much of a  a precedent this is, whether, whether anybody should be offered life membership of the  the society  or is that only for  do you have to reach a certain age 