yo you're suggesting is what is happening now and so many of us  he no he not just here but in  population generally belong to all sorts of pressure groups  erm whatever they may be like Greenpeace and many others  erm  really it's, it's a jolly hard slog, the point is that erm it  the lid is on the kettle the whole time and it's only, the only way that people can get anything done is by joining these organizations erm but it's a very slow business erm  but there's no other way of doing anything because you can't change what happens at the top.