Well it's not a yes yes for the garden because I wouldn't have room for it but it's certainly a yes yes in my shelter delt because the birds love the berries and it really encourages them to use that shelter delt but it isn't as, as easy to grow, it's, one tends to think of the nature plant as a tough plant but I've been trying to establish about thirty of these in the shelter delt and I've found they object to any form of total weedkiller round the root, so all the, the weedkillers that you would use for the first couple of years maybe to, to keep the, the weeds from growing round the stems, they tend to get chlorotic and die.