I mean probably women are more daring you know because they've got less to lose in a way I suppose if you if you're not a councillor  you can be more er you know or if you're not worried for your job or you know or if there isn't a definite structure I suppose in the lodge there's the definite people that always say the same things you know what I mean and it's it's less easy to be spontaneous in that situation I would think you know.