M M My Lords, erm on the second point my Noble Friend makes, that's absolutely true and it really was again quite depressing to see that erm er a member in in in the and the other place Mr Don Foster on behalf of the Liberals, had actually written to every single Chief Education Officer er concerning anti er concerning campaigning against er the opting out policy, as to the other point my Noble Friend makes, it's absolutely true that erm all the service that have been done and there's one very recently reported, that the amount of value for money o obtained for every single  grant maintained school outstrips the L E A maintained schools.