And if you look back at the minutes and then Yona I think she's great as the secretary because she doesn't let anything go but on the other hand she's pretty informal about  and the way th that over the weeks  you know somebody er Julie or June or Mervia Ann  come up with the suggestion that they maybe feel  why don't we do this and then by the next week it's turned into a a rally or a big picket or or a record.