We have the  Association for the Disabled for the blind, we have Age Concern  but there isn't a  for the mentally or for mental health or for whatever it might be called, and these groups are very useful in providing a focal point for liaison between statutory organizations, including the health service, and the users and carers, and providing points of lobbying concern, points on which we can comment and that that increasingly is the way we're working in the community care consultation process.