I I think erm  a a as you've kindly called me  er I think I will try and make this debate a little more lively erm  but I'm not sure about being controversial er because here I was last week, I was making a speech about the significance of er the deregulation of contracting out bill  and er I said then  that the bill is so important because it is the first major attempt by government to slay the red tape dragon.