I think there's a pride that, that the majority of firemen are, are fairly clean and smart erm there are the odd ones that have to be told but it's not the same sort of discipline now as there was, and I'm not sure whether it's right or wrong, all I see I, I enjoy the discipline when I had it, I sometimes wish it was brought back but er it's not the time now it seems for that type of discipline, so I think they manage well but er I would like to see a little more but perhaps I'm a bit old fashioned.