erm and er, you know as you're exercising your discretion your Lordship there's the points in the white book, my Lord in the interim it would be the societies submission that there are three reasons why  during the time that it may take to get any guidance from the European court, in the interim, the application of the bi-laws and in particular the provisions of the  Act nineteen eighty two should be maintained and er given er their force, because clearly my Lord if there is to be a reference to the European court, matters will take some two years or so before the European court will give it's ruling  that I think would be common ground with my learned friend