Yes Chairer er  I think Vince's report is a  very fair summary of the er  the  the issues which face us  erm  truth is, is what we've been as  in this  proposed consortium which no doubt will go through with it's  most of the reforms of the N H S  despite the er  consultation mechanism which they've gone through you know, but  largely these are  beforehand given the unaccountable of the  N H S management!