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Tesla has removed the FSD ride hailing restriction from their website. | This may have gone unnoticed or at least I haven t seen news of this but Tesla has removed the restriction of using FSD with ride hailing networks from their website when they bundled in NoA. https: web.archive.org web 20190219105618 https: www.tesla.com autopilot https: www.tesla.com autopilot This means of course that new buyers are not agreeing to such a restriction at the time of purchase. This is probably just a temporary oversight that Elon may not have considered but it might come back to bite him. > Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network details of which will be released next year. | 2019-04-27 21:16:40 | 22 | What the website says isn t 1 10th as important as what your sales contract says. | 2019-04-27 23:08:04 | 16 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 19,856 |
What happens you put the D goes in the Frunk? [serious] | *If* the D-option is dual-motor AWD and *If* that front-end motor is of similar physical size to the existing rear then would the extra motor impact the front-end space currently used for the frunk? It s entirely possible that this has always been in the plan and there is space built in already preserving the existing frunk. Maybe owners will have a sense of space available? This is a speculative post of curiosity. Thank you. | 2014-10-04 11:52:32 | 5 | This. [Model S Frunk](http: image.motortrend.com f roadtests alternative 1206_2012_tesla_model_s_first_drive 38656606 2012-tesla-model-s-front-trunk.jpg) [Model X Frunk](http: core0.staticworld.net images article 2013 01 tesla_model_x_frunk_sarah-100022135-large.jpg) | 2014-10-04 14:30:24 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 22,711 |
Reserve Model 3 in two different countries. How priority works. | I am living half half of my time between Canada and China. I reserved one Model 3 in Canada and think that I will be closed to get a invitation to config. Once I got the Model 3 in Canada if I reserve another Model 3 in China will I be considered as existing customer? If so how I can make it work. Any suggestions? Many thanks. | 2018-04-25 09:04:10 | 11 | If you get your Model 3 in Canada you will not get priority for your second Model 3. Only Model S and X owners are enjoying priority treatment on the Model 3 waiting list. | 2018-04-25 09:55:12 | 17 | Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences | 16,521 |
Full Self Driving | To start out I ve never owned a Tesla I really have no clue about almost anything Tesla related. But the cyber trick caught my eye. When I go to the cyber trucks website it says add full self driving for $7 000. This is where my lack of knowledge comes into play. I m genuinely sorry if this is the worst question ever but when it says full self driving what does that exactly mean? Does it mean you don t have a steering wheel and it controls everything about drving? Or is it just an upgraded software? Thanks for bearing with my horrible grammar. | 2020-02-25 18:12:04 | 47 | It means that you will be able to use Navigate on Autopilot (car uses GPS to change lanes while driving itself) from your driveway to your destination but you will be expected to pay attention and intervene if needed. It will be a good feature to have as long as you don t expect to have an autonomous vehicle overnight. Someday it may be autonomous but not anytime soon and definitely not this year. However you will be able to allow the car to do most of the driving especially in traffic. I recommend watching Cf Tesla or Dirty Tesla for examples of Autopilot or Navigate on Autopilot as they test their car s ability to drive itself. You should be aware that Autopilot doesn t react to traffic lights road signs and sharp curves typical of city streets but that is what FSD will be. | 2020-02-25 18:46:58 | 47 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 7,043 |
Debating on my Model Y configurations. Please help me vet out the pros and cons. | Background: I ve been saving for a Tesla since 2012. When the Model Y came out last year I knew it was the perfect vehicle for me. I currently have a Ford Escape I like having a smaller SUV. I live in NC where it snows a couple times a year. My commute is about 30 miles round trip with charging stations at work. I haven t pre-ordered yet. I m following a very specific timeline to do so. Current Considerations: Single Motor RWD - 300 miles in a charge is a nice pro for me. Is also 4K cheaper Dual Motor AWD - even wear on tires -20 mile range dual motor for redundancy in the case of failure. 4K more! Buy Full Self Driving now cheaper but upfront cost or Buy Full Self Driving later more expensive but can pay off later. Please feel free to add any additional considerations with choices. Or correct me if I m wrong with my thought process. Thanks! Edit: I really appreciate all of your responses. Lots of great thoughts. Yesterday I was leaning towards SM RWD FSD. Now I m thinking DM AWD no FSD. We ll see what I decide in July when I put my payment down. | 2020-01-22 20:59:01 | 49 | I m a big fan of the AWD systems but I ve been driving Subaru exclusively for over 10 years now. AWD is no substitute for winter tires but it is useful for control and accelerating and ascending hills in snow - but you ll need winter tires to descend those hills on the way back. I am also not into FSD as it is now. I like the adaptive cruise control and the auto steer but I don t think I want to buy the FSD until it is actually ready to go. So for me I am into the AWD and longer range. I don t need to NOA but I will be well served with the traffic aware cruise control and auto steer functions. I d also leave some cash available for options. We don t know if it comes with liners etc. you might want or need some adapters for charging as well. | 2020-01-22 21:02:48 | 29 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 4,892 |
Tesla Daily Discussion - August 23 2019 | **Use this daily thread for:** - Topics of the day or week - Basic Questions and Answers - Sightings Vehicle Customization Vanity Plates - Orders or Deliveries - Shop Items Discussion (Toys Apparel Gifts etc) **Vehicle Issues or Bugs?** If you have a concern about a potential bug [try our new Support page first](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki support). **Why buy a Tesla?** [Here is a long list of reasons](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki topreasons) why owners love their cars and [here you can find the most recent software updates](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) rolling out to vehicles (including megathreads for each version). Looking for useful sites that are often talked about? [There s a wiki page](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki usefulsites) for that too. **Resources** Check out the [Gigathread of Resources](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments a2f6gl gigathread_of_resources ) thread for more recent resources and highlights along with our sidebar for tracking progress of software releases and owner links. We also have Wiki links below. **Cleaning Detailing Tips?** Check out r AutoDetailing they are much more comprehensive. **Looking for comparisons?** Searching the sub first really helps as there are likely MANY discussions on a similar topic (of which the answers you re looking for likely did not change much) **Other helpful links**: [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg 7WuEqAW) [Most Common Acronyms](http: decronym.xyz acronyms TeslaMotors) [Popular Podcasts](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki podcasts) [Previous daily threads (or all megathreads)](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=flair_name%3A%22Megathread%22& restrict_sr=1) Related Communities - r TeslaLounge | r TeslaInvestorsClub | r TeslaPorn | r TeslaClassifieds | r Superchargers | r TeslaAutonomy | r TeslaModel3 (more in the sidebar) **Wiki Pages** [Overview](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki index) | [About Us](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki about) | [FAQ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki faq) | [Accessories](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki accessories) | [Did You Know?](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki didyouknow) | [Useful Sites](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki usefulsites) | [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) | [Top Reasons](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki topreasons) | [Support](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki support) | [Moderation](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki moderation) **Please be kind** [genuine](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8rc3jg be_genuine ) and welcoming. If you want to share a photo you can easily create an image link at [Imgur Upload](https: upload.imgur.com) and include it in your comment. | 2019-08-23 09:16:43 | 22 | Any Tesla owners in northeast Indiana or northwest Ohio need help setting up home charging? Former electrician here not out to make money just help fellow Tesla owners and get more people on board with EVs. | 2019-08-23 11:41:48 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 18,564 |
James Bond Tesla Commercial | I am sure you guys get a million suggestions for commercials but I was watching Tomorrow Never Dies and realized how awesome a Tesla would be as a spy car and it gave me the below idea. Daniel Craig is facetiming with Q in driver seat Q: “We brought in some outside help for your car on this mission 007” Elon Musk climbs into passenger s seat Elon: “Mr. Bond” 007: “Mr. Musk” Bad guys approaching in rear view. 007 hits the accelerator in the Model S zooms away. Elon: “The electric motor provides substantially superior acceleration vs a conventional combustion spy car” Show Model S maneuvering through construction site while chasing cars crash into obstacles Elon: “I think you will also find that it handles quite well” Bad guy jumps on the hood. 007 lets go of the wheel and the Auto-pilot engages while he leans out the driver side window to wrestle the bad guy tossing him off the car. Elon: “The auto-pilot also comes in handy” Cut to Elon and 007 leaning on the car Elon: “So what do you think?” 007: “Not bad but is this really the fastest you ve got?” Elon: “Well only if wheels are a requirement” Falcon 9 Heavy lifts off behind them in the background with big SpaceX and Tesla logos on it. | 2017-03-23 20:58:51 | 228 | I think Aston Martin has James Bond under contract | 2017-03-23 23:26:00 | 87 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 10,320 |
[Discussion] 100 Amp vs 200 Amp panel | Hi all I ll be getting a new panel installed in my home (reasons unrelated to an electric vehicle purchase) and the contractor quoted me an extra 1k for a 200 Amp panel. It s a pretty modest 1k sq foot home - gas water heater gas clothes drier gas stove oven - and I wasn t clear on whether I should go for 200 Amp to future proof it. Does anyone get by with 100 Amp and feel content? I am planning on purchasing a Tesla at some point in the near-ish future and am not super clear on whether or not I d regret not dropping the extra 1k for a bigger panel. Would love to hear your experiences. Thank you! EDIT: Thanks for all of the thoughts. We haggled em down a bit and wound up confirming the 200A work. Better safe than sorry with both solar panels and an EV in our future. Ya ll are super helpful. Hopefully I can have a fancy car like ya ll soon enough too. | 2018-08-04 00:05:51 | 27 | The difference in parts cost between the two is a lot less than $1K. Tell them that they re breaking your balls. | 2018-08-04 00:12:07 | 30 | Issues with Tesla Energy Installation | 24,114 |
Tesla Taiwan to Import CCS2 Only Starting Q3 2021 | Greetings fellow owners! I m bringing this recent development in Taiwan to the attention of the global community in the hope of gaining additional insight and hearing your (rather expert) opinions on the matter. # The Announcement So on Monday 5th of July Tesla owners in Taiwan received the following email (language is Traditional Chinese): [https: imgur.com a NKPWTkG](https: imgur.com a NKPWTkG) In it Tesla Taiwan announces that due to recent developments in Taiwan Tesla will no longer be delivering Tesla Proprietary Connector (TPC) vehicles to Taiwan instead opting for CCS2 Tesla charging port vehicles beginning Q3 2021. The given reason is so that Tesla Taiwan can comply with the Taiwanese government s mandate for all EVs to conform to one of the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) s 4 standards: CCS1 (Americas) CCS2 (Europe) GBT (China) CHAdeMO (Japan). Tesla Taiwan mentions that they will be retrofitting superchargers (no specifics on which locations or how many stalls) to include both TPC and CCS2. No destination chargers will be retrofitted however any new destination charging rollout is committed to be CCS2 instead. Lastly TPC connector charging equipment will continue to be sold on Tesla Taiwan s website to support the charging needs of current Tesla owners in Taiwan. # An Article Claims to Have Insider Knowledge This is a rather shocking development and out of the blue to say the least. Additional insight into the matter was provided by articles such as this one (apologies it s in Traditional Chinese): [https: news.u-car.com.tw news article 66770](https: news.u-car.com.tw news article 66770) In this article they allege that in late 2020 the Industrial Technology Research Institute and 50 EV-related industry representatives formed the 臺灣電動車輛電能補充產業技術推動聯盟 (couldn t find an English name for this consortium but this basically means Taiwan EV Charger Equipment Supplier and Manufacturer Advancement Alliance) or just 充電聯盟“ (The Charger Alliance). In March of 2021 they proposed that the charging infrastructure of Taiwan be standardised and unified in order to promote the rollout of charging networks and therefore the adoption of EVs in Taiwan. Their proposed unified solution was CCS1 and for good reason: over a thousand chargers in Taiwan currently installed in public parking spaces commercial venues such as malls as well as private businesses were already CCS1 (level 1). This wouldn t pose much of an issue for Tesla owners since we could use our handy J1772 adapters to tap into the existing charging network in Taiwan. At this point the article claims Tesla Taiwan proposed the TPC to be included as one of the standardised options. However this proposal was pushed back on the basis that the TPC is proprietary in nature and therefore actively went against the vision of a standardised charging network for EVs in Taiwan. In addition to the proposal being knocked back it also seems that the government actively prevented Tesla Taiwan from bringing in any more Tesla vehicles that had TPC in them. *I d like to personally add here that this would be the equivalent of a government demanding that Apple not bring in products featuring the Lightning connector instead forcing them to use USB.* Allegedly the American Institute of Taiwan (AIT) hears of this development and instead proposes that CCS2 be the unified standard instead. Why? Because Tesla doesn t produce CCS1-only vehicles since CCS1 is an American standard and Tesla has never had to produce a CCS1-only vehicle to meet compliance adoptions reasons. CHAdeMO has its limitations and adoption rate is low so its ruled out. GBT is a Chinese-based standard and since Chinese-manufactured cars cannot be imported and sold in Taiwan that also rules out GBT. Thus only CCS2 is left since Tesla vehicles equipped with this charging port are actually produced and distributed for Europe. # My Thoughts and Concerns Whilst the introduction of CCS2 Tesla vehicles in Europe was a widely-celebrated move it s worth noting that s because Europe has a fairly extensive rollout of chargers that use the CCS2 standard. This gives Tesla owners the best of both worlds: the Tesla supercharging network as well as whatever your local government or enterprise has rolled out. Sweet! However in Taiwan the vast majority of destination charging currently available is CCS1 (J1772) meaning that our new owners in Q3 are going to be met with what is essentially a charging desert with their brand spanking new CCS2 ports. Sure they can still supercharge but a lot of the time picking up some charge when you go to a mall go for a meal catch a movie run an errand or meet up with friends at a cafe makes a whole lot of difference. Even I relied on a J1772 charger at a public parking lot near my workplace for over a year. New owners in Taiwan will be completely devoid of such a luxury making it (personally at least) an incredibly tough recommendation to anyone in Taiwan now to get a Tesla. In addition to this some owners have reached out to Tesla Taiwan who have clarified that retrofitting vehicles with TPC to CCS2 will not be possible. This means that in the future (albeit not so soon) Tesla vehicles with TPC will start to have deteriorating options for charging especially if CCS2 becomes the adopted standard and CCS1 chargers start to fall into disrepair or are phased out. I m also alarmed by the fact that this entire development on Tesla Taiwan s end took place without notifying owners of such discussions taking place and instead done simply an announcement that hey this is a done deal. As a (well I hope) democratic society surely we as the consumer should have the power and ability to group up and pressure our local representatives to protect our interests (and allow TPC vehicles to continue to be imported to Taiwan). This cannot take place if we weren t informed of such discussions taking place and honestly it almost feels like Tesla Taiwan just rolled over and *uuurggh* when facing resistance from local industry. *It also feels like some business or enterprise is rubbing their hands together with the prospect of rolling out an entirely new charging network across Taiwan - what a fantastic business opportunity!* # Possible Positives Worth Mentioning If Tesla Taiwan aggressively rolls out a CCS2 charging network and forces all imports and locally manufactured EVs to conform to a CCS2 network this could be a huge win further down the line if Tesla is to open up their network to other manufacturers (for a fee of course...). It could also be a huge win for consumers here as it would eliminate the whole what charging adapter network am I supposed to be using now...? dilemma. If Giga Berlin comes online (c mon guys when???) and cars can be imported from the EU instead of NA it would appear that current tariffs would favour this and end up bringing in more profit for Tesla due to higher margins. # Opinions? I d love to hear the community s thoughts on this recent development. Is this a good move were any other options available how are TPC owners going to cope how are new CCS2-only owners going to cope. Would you still recommend someone get a Tesla here in Taiwan with the uncertainty ahead. Any additional insight on the matter is truly appreciated :D Cheers and stay safe y all < 3 | 2021-07-07 17:39:18 | 104 | I m guessing Tesla will allow 3 Y customers to buy and retrofit their TPC to the new CCS2 port. They always say “no” first until they are ready then they announce it is available e.g. Pedestrian Warning Speaker (PWS). Am I wrong to assume it is an easy swap given Tesla s ability to swap one part to make it happen? What s interesting to me is how they will handle S and X since even the new S Plaid has the same exterior light dimensions and charging port area. There isn t room to allow a CCS2 connector. | 2021-07-07 19:12:09 | 17 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 19,561 |
Day 1 reservation holders making a 2nd reservation | Has anyone who only made a single reservation made another for a 2nd car? If so what are the splits in delivery time looking like? | 2017-08-04 15:16:31 | 9 | Your second reservation goes to the back of the line. | 2017-08-04 15:34:10 | 9 | Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences | 4,854 |
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Trust Tesla service center for scratch repair? | My Model 3 got a pretty major scratch in the driver door from a yard sign blowing into it during a storm. One part of it has a tiny dent from the impact and another is so deep it appears to be in the primer. I will be making a claim to my insurance to have it fixed. I recently saw that Tesla service shops are doing scratch repair. What does everyone think? Should I try to take it to Tesla to get fixed or should I maybe take it someplace that has been doing these kinds of repairs for more than a week? | 2019-06-25 03:20:03 | 10 | Personally I wouldn t. But I also don t really trust their service overall. (Obligatory yes I know lots of people *love* their service centers) | 2019-06-25 08:02:37 | 4 | Tesla Service Experience Feedback | 21,499 |
If your wondering how the Tesla paint repair kit works..... | I had 2 small chips on my multi-coat red Model 3 rear bumper from what I believe was a rogue shopping cart located right on the curve of the bumper (not the easiest place to fix or hide a chip). Worked pretty well but far from great. I also tried to fix a small scratch on the lid of the my trunk. I knew this wouldn t probably work very well and it didn t but worth a shot. & #x200B The photos don t really do it justice poor lighting worse photographer...... & #x200B chip before [https: imgur.com q7jq6vV](https: imgur.com q7jq6vV) chip after [https: imgur.com XlXQpCP](https: imgur.com XlXQpCP) scratch before [https: imgur.com 1CpSVyI](https: imgur.com 1CpSVyI) scratch after [https: imgur.com aKNKCke](https: imgur.com aKNKCke) | 2019-05-19 17:09:20 | 30 | Thanks for this I just ordered the obsidian black kit since it came back into stock today to repair an edge on my passenger door. | 2019-05-19 17:10:56 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 9,550 |
You were driving a 2016 Black Model S 85D in Nottingham... | ...and I was that weirdo in the red Peugeot who waved to you. You know I did because you looked at me like I was crazy. You gestured OK then quickly shot across the roundabout under the overpass. Just wanted to reaffirm I wasn t a complete nutter and just saying I can t wait until I can own one myself. | 2016-06-30 18:52:25 | 40 | Tesla missed connections LOL | 2016-06-30 19:17:02 | 43 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 24,032 |
The Boring Company: How will Elon Musk s new automotive infrastructure startup effect Tesla? [boring discussion megathread] | # To avoid spamming the subreddit all boring The Boring Company discussion goes be in this thread and the appropriate subreddits So we ve all seen @elonmusk s tweets: > @elonmusk [**Traffic is driving me nuts. Am going to build a tunnel boring machine and just start digging...**](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 810108760010043392) > @elonmusk [It shall be called The Boring Company ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 810126376871297024) > @elonmusk [Boring it s what we do](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 810126493326209025) > @elonmusk [**I am actually going to do this**](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 810156881662590981) Er... what s all this then? # Boring Background This isn t the first time Musk has brought this up. [He mentioned it on Startalk on 2015-03-22 when asked by Neil deGrasse Tyson about flying cars:](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Hs_et1N-qzk& t=35m48s) > **NDT:** Of course what we all really want are flying cars. > **Musk:** Do you? > **NDT:** [laugh] Yes! > **Musk:** Actually let me ask... are you sure you want a flying car? > **NDT:** No but it looks cool. > **Musk:** Ok. It does look cool. Whenever you see cities in the futuristic concept they always throw the flying car in there. > **NDT:** You can t tell me you ve never thought of it. > **Musk:** No I ve thought a lot about it. And there s some people I know who are working on flying cars or flying personal transport devices if you will. > **NDT:** Hoverboards. > **Musk:** [laugh] There are people working on hoverboards! ... I am debating should there be flying cars or shouldn t there be flying cars? I m of two minds on that. Cause if there are flying cars then obviously you have added this additional dimension where now a car could potentially fall on your head. And it would be susceptible to weather. And of course you d have to have a flying car where it would be like an autopilot because otherwise forget it. It s gotta be autopilot. Even in an autopilot scenario and even if you ve got redundant motors and blades you ve still gone from * zero chance of something falling on your head* to something greater than that. And there s also a noise challenge... > **Musk:** Something I think that would definitely help a lot in cities is more tunnels. Essentially with a flying car you re talking about going 3D. And there s a fundamental flaw with cities where you ve got dense office buildings and apartment buildings and duplexes and they re operating on three dimensions but then you go to the street and suddenly you re two dimensional. > **NDT:** Because it s a flat surface. > **Musk:** Yeah. > **NDT:** This is how New York City solved this with the subway going underneath -- multiple layers of subway. > **Musk:** Right. > **NDT:** So we are actually traveling in three dimensions but below the ground rather than in the air. > **Musk:** Yes. But I believe it you were to extrapolate that to cars and have more car tunnels then you would alleviate congestion completely in cities. > **NDT:** And you wouldn t need the flying car. > **Musk:** You would not need a flying car in that case. And it would always work even if the weather s bad. > **NDT:** It would never ice up. > **Musk:** It would never ice up and it would not fall on your head. > **NDT:** [laugh] We re gonna get started on that right away. After the interview he clarified on twitter: > @elonmusk [Contrary to press reports I m not against flying cars. Just said it was important to consider both pros and cons.](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 580478678808850432) > @elonmusk [Flying car pros: travel in 3D fast. Cons: risk of car falling on head much greater noisy grounded in bad weather](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 580479736721367041) > @elonmusk [Reasons I like tunnels: you still travel in 3D fast but immune to weather quiet and no risk cars fall on your head](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 580480774115364864) > @elonmusk [Right move is try both tunnels and flying cars. Otherwise having 2D streets and 3D buildings means bad traffic forever.](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 580482462612135936) [Then this on 2016-01-30 at the Hyperloop Pod Race award ceremony:](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=ab2VVp1GfmA& t=21m54s) > I did want to mention on the ideas front... I think this is a very simple and obvious idea -- and I wish people would do it -- which is *build more tunnels.* Tunnels are great. It s just a hole in the ground. It s not that hard! > But if you have tunnels in cities you d massively alleviate congestion. And you could have tunnels at all different levels. You could probably have 30 layers of tunnels and completely fix the congestion problem in high density cities. So I strongly recommend tunnels. It could even be argued that this idea goes back to [2012 when 3D transport took the form of prefabricated box beam sections installed over the center divider.](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=uegOUmgKB4E& t=41m48s) # Boring Technical Details AThe [Tunnel Boring Machines article](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Tunnel_boring_machine) and [this study of TBM costs](http: vlhc.org cna hmm_appendix.pdf) are good places to start. Essentially a giant drill head eats away at the rock carrying it away in conveyers and by rail to the surface. Reinforcing concrete is often laid behind the TBM with the TBM pushing off the concrete wall to apply tremendous force with the cutting head which has hard metal cutting wheels to apply transient high pressure and fracture the rock. Boring machines are very susceptible to foreign material underground like well casings as illustrated when [the Japanese-made Bertha SR99 TBM hit a steel pipe while drilling the Washington State Route 99 Alaskan Way Viaduct replacement tunnel in Seattle Washington adding 3 years and $150m to the project.](http: www.popularmechanics.com technology infrastructure news a18887 seattle-bertha-tunneling-drill-back-on-track ) # The Boring Tesla Connection Besides Elon Musk s involvement the obvious connection is that electric cars don t produce exhaust so they re perfect underground. Ventilation is still needed for fires and such but eliminating carbon monoxide makes it easier. The wide adoption of tunnel boring technology is currently limited by its high cost just like EVs when Tesla was founded. So like Tesla we should expect The Boring Company to be a hard engineering company focused on technology development. Tesla (and SpaceX) engineers will likely be involved in the early system design and mechanical engineering work. Extensive use of automation electrification efficient packaging and whole-system cost optimization seem almost a given. # Boring Subreddits Subreddits have been set up in r BoringCompany (currently leading) and r TheBoringCompany. Further boring threads will be deleted per **Rule #2** in the sidebar so subscribe if you want the latest news. So has Elon Musk finally lost it or is this all part of his 265-dimensional chess? | 2016-12-18 06:50:17 | 58 | #1... Is he actually serious | 2016-12-18 07:18:02 | 33 | Musk's Tesla Take-Private Saga | 20,645 |
Sr+ premium connectivity in Europe | Hi all does anyone knows If premium connectivity is available in Europe for SR+? THX | 2020-03-13 20:58:28 | 9 | It is. At this point the car has premium connectivity without the monthly charge. Edit: To point out: The premium features was released on the SR+ over the last months via software update. No action needed from your side. Google maps traffic view Spotify TuneIn. Heated rear seats is a paid option (software update) Premium audio requires hardware update as the sun is missing. Front fog lights are also missing on the SR+. | 2020-03-13 21:12:23 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 17,715 |
Is there such a thing as clear tint over the windshield to protect from rock chips? | I thought somebody mentioned a “Clearplex” tint but wasn t sure if that was it. | 2018-07-25 07:19:11 | 7 | Yes there is! A quality tint clearbra installer should provide that as well the windshield protection film. And I recommend it I don t have it but man my windshield already has some small dings in it : Clearplex is one of several brands. | 2018-07-25 08:21:43 | 6 | Ceramic Coating Application Process | 10,209 |
Why are FSD builds so behind on the base software version? | When I get into my wife s car without fsd I see features I d love to have to include the new route planning and traffic indications. Now that they are releasing FSD releases more frequently I m not sure why we are so behind on the base software version? I m still at 2022.20 Am I just impatient and spoiled? Can we not have it all in this life? | 2022-10-23 23:02:28 | 91 | In software development whenever you develop features and have bug fixes it is industry standard to use branches to allow parallel development. Because of this certain branches of the main software will be behind until they merge into the main branch since they are separating from it. Because FSD and the other features can change the same software files there are cases where it cannot be automatically merged and needs a developer to look through the files and carefully check which lines of codes should be used. ~~So it is recommended to only merge whenever you have a huge completion of features or there is a mandatory bug fix that needs to be patched in.~~ Since FSD development takes a long time and has a lot of moving parts it may miss chances of being merged into the main branch to be able to avoid merge conflicts. Because of this they will have to eventually merge it later on with the consequence of manually resolving more merge conflicts. Edit: clearing up information about merging. | 2022-10-23 23:12:02 | 96 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 23,386 |
Free WiFi connections | Okay... so I live in an apartment and my WiFi can t reach where I park my car and it is super frustrating. I have to borrow friend s WiFi to do any updates. What would be so much easier is allowing the car to connect to free WiFi that has an “authentication.” Why is this still not an option? Places like McDonald s Free xfinity hotspots and grocery stores in my area all require you to check a box agreeing to terms and conditions but my Model S can t connect to them... love all the dumb features but sometimes I wish this car would just do the basics too. I think this car wasn t designed for people in apartments. | 2020-04-14 03:47:52 | 8 | I use my iPhone personal hotspot to do all my updates. Has worked like a charm. | 2020-04-14 03:54:16 | 30 | Car Software Update Connectivity | 6,941 |
How Close Is Full Self Driving Really? | Like many of you gents I really like the idea of autonomous ride sharing. Originally Musk stated his prediction for full autonomy by 2020 (before the covid-19). That being said it would appear to me that full autonomy is still very far off and therefore so is the A-ride sharing. From people here who use the current autonomous features do you have any insight this topic? How far off do you guys really think it is? | 2020-08-30 22:17:20 | 29 | Full meaning FULL? Meaning you can be in your driveway and put in any address and have it bring you to that location and park with absolutely no intervention in any circumstances any weather all construction and road issues taken into account? Not close. | 2020-08-30 22:31:24 | 86 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 8,017 |
What does Elon mean by Tesla cars will be fully driverless in two years? | After seeing all the preorders for the model 3 I expect almost a two year wait just to get one. Will driverless cars be out by then?? | 2016-04-02 00:24:05 | 5 | I think he is referring to the state of AI and how it s progressing. The recent advances made by DeepMind and others may have sparked this comment. Also he is known to over shoot how soon things will happen (his joke mid presentation about being pretty sure Model 3s would be available.) I believe he means the technology will exist in about 2 years but won t be practical for a few more. I recall him saying that was ~10 years away for Tesla. Correct me if I m wrong. To answer your question no they will not. | 2016-04-02 00:35:06 | 3 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 22,625 |
If you live in a condo what did you say in your proposal so the condo board (HOA) agreed to allow you to install your own personal Tesla charger? | I m doing some research before I propose to the condo board that I would like to install a personal Tesla charger in my condo s parking space but I want to make sure I have enough good reasons to hopefully get approved. So far it seems that many condo owners state they will pay for the installation install a separate meter and cover any lawyer fees for the condo corporation. Is this what many of you have also done? Is there anything else I should add to the proposal? I live in Ontario. Many thanks! | 2016-08-08 16:18:57 | 47 | Hi. Check out [THIS](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 3gyukd hope_this_is_within_rules_who_owns_a_tesla_but cu2zlxu) message. | 2016-08-08 16:40:30 | 21 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 9,521 |
Free supercharging without referral | I recently took delivery of my Model 3 Performance but never used a referral code. I reserved in 2016 and ordered in June ‘18. I have noticed that I never got any bill for supercharging my credit card was never charged and I cannot access the “history” tab in my account (it s just not there) to see my bills. I just now realized that when I supercharge I don t see any pricing in the screen. Does it mean I have free supercharging? | 2018-10-02 01:25:04 | 7 | All performance model 3s ordered before August has free supercharging for life without referral code | 2018-10-02 01:26:06 | 21 | Tesla Referral Program Issues | 6,949 |
For those without a nearby Tesla store - how far away is the nearest one to you? | I reserved a Model 3 but the nearest service center is literally 12 hours away. Here s to hoping a closer one opens up near me.... | 2016-04-08 13:47:41 | 8 | Good lord man that s a risk! I clicked on your post history to see Halifax and I figured as such since Teslas are popular in Canada but Tesla only has service centers in three cities. You re so far away from Montreal that when you put your directions into Google [it suggests flying](http: i.imgur.com wL0lsvi.png) as one of the routes. Anyway I have nothing else to add. My closest one is only 50 minutes away and one is opening up about half an hour away in a much less traffic heavy area (Baltimore vs Washington DC) so I m pretty happy about that. | 2016-04-08 14:03:17 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 6,881 |
Model Y vs Kia Telluride | I m in the market for a new car. We just had our second kid so we ll have two car seats at all times. We also regularly have my in-laws visit so are ideally looking for a 6 or 7 seater. I m between the Model Y and a Kia telluride and need some help deciding. We used to have a Model 3 and loved it. The Kia does seem like more bang for your buck because of bigger size. Edit: thank you everyone for the advice and sharing your stories. | 2021-03-16 05:08:40 | 7 | I am a Model Y owner and I love it but if you will have the need for more people on top of the two kids I would say go Telluride. They make the 7 seater Y but it s still very little space and you lose a lot of cargo space. You do get a great warranty with the Kia s. I traded a Stinger GT2 for my first Tesla (M3P) then traded my M3P for my MYP! Good luck with your decision! It s hard for me to steer someone away from a Tesla but it s hard to if the need doesn t fit best. | 2021-03-16 05:14:15 | 47 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 13,051 |
Question about auto pilot and signaling (blinker) | Today I was driving and was about to pass a tesla when it signaled and made a slight move towards my lane. It was a highway interchange that had a fork coming up and I thought the car needed to get to that fork so I drastically slowed down and the car changed lanes. It did not need to exit at that fork. Then it proceeded to go slower than normal around a 40 mph turn. Then signaled very late and hesitantly exited at an exit in the middle of this turn. The time between signaling and Lane switching was very quick maybe 2 blinks on the light at most. My question is when in auto pilot and the car needing to change lanes does it signal for longer than I ve indicated? I couldn t help but wonder if the guy was a poor driver or was the car in auto pilot. Thank you for your responses and please delete if this type of post is not allowed. | 2016-04-23 03:33:42 | 15 | Poor driver. The autopilot simply follows lane line(s) or sometimes a vehicle directly in front of it. It knows nothing about intersections freeway exits merges etc. It will never changes lanes by itself (well unless it got confused due to a single lane expanding to two or it loses track of the lines or similar or sees the right paint line veer right for an exit and it follows the paint line it has no idea about anything other than paint stripes or tracking the vehicle in front. | 2016-04-23 04:06:51 | 17 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 15,781 |
Theory on Autopilot 2.0 | After wondering why Tesla put the rearward facing cameras on the side marker lights instead of on the side-view mirrors like other car manufacturers (mostly for the birds-eye-view camera option) it occurred to me that this is due to AP2.0 most likely folding the side mirrors when in fully autonomous mode to decrease CD thereby improving range. | 2017-03-24 16:10:21 | 17 | Less likely to be damaged with where they are located which makes replacing a side mirror less expensive. | 2017-03-24 16:24:46 | 23 | Issues with Sentry Mode | 20,914 |
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Model 3 forgets it was parked in reverse | Hi! I m having a problem with my Model 3 SR+ and I was wondering whether I m the only one. Tesla is looking at it but so far haven t acknowledged there is a problem but to me it looks like a bug. Has anyone else encountered this? Can you replicate this? What happens is: * At home I park in a parking garage * The charger is on the wall behind me so I park in reverse backing into the spot and shutting off the car * Every morning when I leave the marker on the navigation map moves exactly 180 degrees from the actual direction of movement * It only corrects itself hundreds of meters after having left the garage * All that time the location on the map is progressively more wrong since it keeps moving in the opposite direction ending up hundreds of meters from where I actually am which means the indicated maximum speed also is as well as the navigation directions My suspicion is that there is a bug in the inertial navigation dead reckoning system of the Tesla which when the computer goes to sleep does correctly remember in which direction it was last moving but _forgets_ that that was while driving in reverse! --- Edit 1: update: I tried parking in the forwards direction and it initially seemed to work correctly while backing out of the spot this morning but then after shifting out of reverse and driving forward again the same thing happened: the arrow turned around and started moving in the opposite direction from where I was driving. So the problem is more complicated than I suspected. Maybe it s reversing at any point while out of GPS range which confuses it. Next I will try parking in my garage without reversing at any point. --- Edit 2: update: this problem is getting weirder and weirder. I now parked in the parking garage without reversing at any point before or after leaving it parked and it _still_ exhibited the problem! It now seems like the reversing is a red herring (although it still must be a factor) and it _always_ takes off in the wrong direction after having been parked where there is no GPS reception. I also replicated it outside again. --- That would exactly explain this phenomenon. When I start driving forward it continues the motion in the direction it was last moving having forgotten that that was while driving backwards so that now it _should_ move in the _opposite_ direction. It only corrects itself once it has a GPS fix again and it knows its absolute position rather than having to fall back on the inertial navigation system. It has also done this at least once when it was parked outside and I wanted to try Smart Summon. It drove in exactly the opposite direction from the route it was displaying on my phone! Then too I had parked in reverse. Even though it had a clear view of the sky I suspect that if it wakes up from cold in order to perform a smart summon it takes a while to get a GPS fix again and until then it is affected by the same bug (perhaps it keeps relying on the inertial navigation system for a while if it is in conflict with the GPS system especially while the GPS accuracy is still low). | 2020-03-09 12:54:59 | 239 | I have the same issue but I do not park in reverse. It is probably due to the delay to reconnect to GPS after leaving the garage or something similar. TBH it doesn t bother me much as I have had that with phones and other GPS before and it never takes more than a couple hundred meters to correct itself. | 2020-03-09 13:02:04 | 104 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 12,173 |
Front Ends of S and X | To Tesla engineers: any reason for opening in the front end of a Tesla? a c cooling radiators for electronics etc.? To Tesla owners: would you buy it if engineers went away from the S front grill area: more like the X. Once one thinks about it with no engine radiator fronts could be radical. Air flow probably still needed for A C . Condenser unless a new system is used. Maybe a dual roof like the old Africa Range Rover. | 2015-12-19 21:16:49 | 18 | I d love it if the S adopted the X nose. I m actually hoping that will occur in the spring of 2016. | 2015-12-19 21:48:17 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 6,996 |
Adding NEMA 14-50 Charger | Hi I want to get ready for the Model 3 (and potentially a second Tesla) I want to make sure I m installing everything correctly. Here are my notes: * Install a NEMA 14-50 with 50 amps * If I want to do two 14-50 connectors I can do a 100amp install (if I have the room) and split the two plugs. If not I d need install two wall connectors and split the power draw 50 50. * Plug should be 48 off of the ground * I should use 6 awg wiring * Ground pin should be up Anything else I should be aware of or that is wrong in my notes? Will the Model 3 installation be any different? Thanks! | 2017-06-29 07:27:10 | 17 | Mostly right a few thoughts: If doing 100 amp for 2x 14-50 you need a subpanel so that each 14-50 is fed by a 50 amp breaker. Additionally the 6awg is not large enough for the 100 amp run. This sounds like you plan to install yourself. If so a few of these questions make it sound like you d do well to speak with a more experienced electrician. I ve done this too and it s entirely possible but the consequences of a mistake are significant. Also pay attention to local codes. | 2017-06-29 13:18:50 | 12 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 1,252 |
Mile Cars sold counter | Anyone else think a Tesla mile counter and a cars sold counter webpage would be a cool idea? Similar to the US debt clock counter page. Not sure how hard that would be to get someone from Tesla to do that... | 2015-07-30 00:25:36 | 8 | If tesla published it then analysts would try to mine the data in order to guess sales numbers prior to the quarterly earnings call. | 2015-07-30 03:35:28 | 2 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 11,470 |
Planning for All Model 3 Fees Total Cost Ahead of Time | I don t expect the typical dealer ~$300-$400 document fees but there is a ~ $990 destination fee on the Model S. On top of that in some states there are sales taxes but other states such as NJ thankfully exempt zero-emission vehicles from sales tax altogether. As within reach as the $7 500 federal credit makes the vehicle sound keep in mind all this does is reduce your federal tax liability. If you don t owe over $7 500 in federal taxes the year the vehicle is delivered then you do not get a refund for the additional amount. Tesla could get around this by claiming the full $7 500 credit themselves on each car through their lender then deducting it from the car loans. I recommend they do this for the masses but there s no indication they will. (If you lease an electric BMW they deduct the $7 500 credit from the lease and residual value so it s doable.) As someone who will potentially be a college student when the vehicle is delivered I would need to have a federal tax liability of around $10 000 for the Tesla to be fully worth it. Surely if my federal tax liability is that high then it will be an easy car to afford but right now I may barely receive any type of federal tax credit so I would recommend all reservers plan around not receiving it unless they know their federal tax liability will be high enough to claim the full credit. Plan for the vehicle to cost $35 000 + $990 destination charge & registration fees + sales tax unless exempt until we know otherwise that is. Optimistically let s say there is no additional destination charge and the vehicle is $35 000. We can deduct the $1 000 reservation deposit and $2 500 configuration deposit leaving us with $31 500 to finance in a sales tax exempt state. This would be about $525 month before interest on a 60-month loan. Let s get even more optimistic and say Tesla s lender deducts the $7 500 federal credit leaving us $24 000 to finance. That s a more reasonable $400 month before interest. Even a $19 000 + $1 300 tax Corolla is $20 300. Considering gas savings this would be better than just about any other brand new vehicle. | 2016-04-25 01:31:55 | 9 | Honestly if you aren t paying over $7500 in taxes each year wtf are you doing buying this car? | 2016-04-25 02:21:08 | 39 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 15,254 |
Tesla customer service | I m starting to feel that the customer service department at Tesla is non-existent. How many emails do you have to send them to get a reply? I had called numerous times and waited for my calls to be answered for over an hour and gave up.. until once someone did answer. All I m trying to do is link my car to the app .. the lady that answered me sent me an email with all the requirements and I sent everything back to her same day... It s been 2 weeks and I have no confirmation no response no reply .. and my car is still not linked to the app.. Wtf Anyone experienced anything similar or am I missing something ? | 2019-08-16 11:51:50 | 83 | IMHO the customer service issues are a long standing issue with tesla that goes back to the early days. now it is worse because as tesla keeps putting big numbers of cars on the road they have not expanded their CSR dept. to keep up in fact they have cut staffing. it is very difficult to get a human on the phone emails are ignored and tesla never seems to get called out on the issue. | 2019-08-16 12:35:04 | 56 | Tesla Service Experience Feedback | 19,758 |
Tesla Model S Rental while visiting Maui | Rent a Tesla on Maui - https: relayrides.com car-rental kahului tesla-model-s 94027 | 2015-08-13 16:40:32 | 9 | I mean I love me a Tesla but if I m dropping $165 day on a car rental *in Hawaii* the roof will be optional. That said that is the best rate I ve seen yet for a Tesla rental. | 2015-08-14 17:23:12 | 2 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 19,198 |
Thoughts on 2170 cells in the S X. | Given they are 30% more energy dense. Do you think Tesla will offer larger pack sizes or instead cut down on how many batteries are actually in the pack (making it lighter cheaper) | 2016-11-17 20:09:24 | 11 | I think they ll go with the lighter cheaper route. With Elon stating that he thinks 100kWh is good for now that lets them make it more affordable to produce. If they can get the same amount of power out of a 100kWh pack with 2170 s (I don t know if this is possible or not) then instead of adding more kWh they could add more cooling to the pack so the car could charge faster and run at a top speed or tow more for longer. Making it lighter will add more range. It might improve the 0-60 speed (depending on where and how traction is affected). | 2016-11-17 20:26:06 | 13 | Tesla Battery Production Optimization | 21,103 |
What s the point of advertising below cutoff voltage kWh for the Model S batteries? | Let s face it it is very difficult for an average person to understand how exactly EVs and their batteries work. It is not like a tank that holds liquid you can get different energy out of them between two full charges depending on temperature your discharge rate and so many other things. As difficult as this is Tesla has a protection layer for the battery after the Charge Now comes up. There s a certain cutoff voltage where the car shuts down even though battery is not completely depleted to protect the battery. Hence people can get (depending on a lot of variables) 74 to 76kWh from a full charge. They re of course flabbergasted when they get that from 100% to 0% with the 85kWh battery. So what s the point of advertising it as an 85kWh battery pack? Average person will see their average consumption is say 180Wh km then divide 85 0 18 and wonder why they can t get that 472km of range. Where as 75 0 18 = 416km is way more accurate. It is a pretty big challenge to explain amperage voltage SoC etc. to people as it is not linear nor consistent. It will be interesting to see how it will play out. I m guessing an average person in the 30s will know much more about batteries than an average Joe in 2015. What are your thoughts? | 2015-10-22 21:05:04 | 17 | > It is a pretty big challenge to explain amperage voltage SoC etc. to people as it is not linear nor consistent. Exactly. The pack is itself 85 kwh. In aircraft we have a thing called useable fuel. Any fuel over that can get trapped and be unavailable to the engine. So though the tank is a (for example) 79.5 gallon tank there s only 75 useable gallons. But if it s truly empty it will take 79.5 gallons to fill it. I think battery packs work the same way. Stating the maximum battery capacity is standard operating procedure. Your cell phone does it too even though it ll shut off with a little juice left to power the charge management circuitry. | 2015-10-22 22:38:56 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 22,928 |
Is self sustaining power a possibility? | Does anyone know if you can generate enough power (through solar panels solar tiles) and store in a power wall 2 to power your home and charge your tesla? While I know there s a ton of variables let s say in this situation the house with solar is in sunny socal drives less than 20 miles per day and only has one or two people in a less than 1 000 sq ft house. | 2017-09-01 02:46:25 | 16 | Just a matter of working the numbers required if you have a certain Solar array ...Say 5KW or 10KW. then work the numbers back from there. Each battery holds 13KWh of Energy so on a 5Kw system that s 2.5 hours for fully charged. if you have a 60kWh Tesla that s going to take 12 hours to charge (fully just from solar) or 5 full charges of the powerwall ( if you separated it all out)...obviously you would be charging during the day if home straight from solar etc. But if you match what your house cars etc use with what KW Solar you buy then yea as the other guys below | 2017-09-01 03:33:53 | 12 | Issues with Tesla Energy Installation | 10,040 |
Day 2 impressions | I picked up my long range AWD Tesla Model 3 in Dublin on Friday. I then drove it to Castlebellingham to try a Supercharger and stayed with a relative who lives nearby. I then drove back to Galway (Dublin east coast Galway west coast 400 km trip since I started north of Dublin) during Storm Jorge. I ordered the car in April 2016 so I ve watched a number of videos on the UI of the car and things to learn about. There s nothing like experience though so I still had a learning curve. I didn t find the odometer till the second day for instance. Anyway here were the things I noticed in the first day. I ll skip the usual things - it s an excellent car and I liked all the things everyone s commented on. * I get a nice British lady giving me driving directions. That s fine but I really wish I could pick a voice. In fact that would be a nice paid feature. I d pay €100 to have directions given by Saoirse Ronan or Samuel L Jackson. How does one submit feature requests to Tesla? * Speaking of Saoirse the pronunciation of Irish on road signs is... not good. And it s not too hot on the Anglicized versions either. Tallaght and Tuam were beyond it for example. This makes me wonder what a road trip on the continent would be like. Anyone have experience with this - road trips into places with different languages? * Once you get into rural Ireland lane detection and proximity sensors are... unhappy. For instance it thinks the whole road I live on (search maps for L2104 Ireland) is a single lane. Which to be honest is a rational belief but legally and in practice it s two lanes as it s a two-way road. * I haven t figured out when cruise control will respond to speed limit signs. It would be nice if tapping on the sign would get it to drive that speed limit. * My commute has some very common points for speed traps. It would be nice to tell cruise-control to follow the speed limits very exactly on those stretches. Obviously we should all follow the speed limit all the time etc. * Cruise-control does not seem curve-aware. There are roads in rural Ireland that have a speed limit that is well entertaining. Driving them at that speed in some stretches is unwise. * Driving into a storm with 50-90kph gusts with a temp of 0-2C affects the range a fair bit. I knew this from petrol cars as well though so not a huge surprise but I didn t have a huge graph to show reality diverging from the estimate. * I tried a number of charging stations on the way. * Two out of three ESB ecars CCS chargers worked fine. The third one wouldn t start. I noted that in the ecars app for the broken one and all of them in plugshare. If any newbies are reading this make sure to watch the kW rate as you charge - can put that into plugshare and it helps. * Zero of the one chargepoint charger I tried worked. * Zero of the free Circle K chargers worked. * I didn t use the Ionity charger because they suck. * One of one EasyGo chargers worked - and it was free. Guess I ll shop at Lidl now! * The Tesla Supercharger in Castlebellingham was excellent. Best experience and charging rate of them all. * Home charging was a cinch. I had my electrician install an outdoor point with a waterproof box. Plugged it in (not fully at first which unsurprisingly caused it not to work) and it charged the car at 14km hr. Nice. I would note for others that it helps to put the outlet waist height or higher. * If the USB disk gets unmounted uncleanly you ll need to do an fsck on it on your desktop first. I know how to unmount it cleanly now but didn t then. The [tesla-dashcam](https: pypi.org project tesla-dashcam ) image processor needs Python 3.7 - Python 3.6 is not enough. * I got the tow hitch. I hadn t seen videos on how to install it and I must admit surprise when they showed me the uh package. If I read a news story from Florida someday about someone misusing it I will not be surprised. No offense Florida - your open record laws provide the world a lot of entertainment. I m in the process of building a garage where I ll install a dedicated charger. For various reasons I was already going to insulate and heat it but good to know it will help with charging efficiency. Assuming some of the stuff I ve read on that is correct. Really would like to see better pronunciation and it would be nice to be able to pick Nav voices (seriously please take even more of my money Tesla). | 2020-03-01 16:10:49 | 24 | wait....your saying it took you almost 4 years to receive the car? | 2020-03-01 17:19:47 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 4,858 |
[Discussion] Do you think Tesla Semi prototypes will be used to transport new batches of Model 3s when the production ramps up? | It seems like a decent pilot project for further testing of the Semi s reliability and suitability as a replacement for ICE trucks. It would prove to the naysayers that their Semi actually works like it s supposed to and could provide valuable feedback to Tesla as well. Do you suppose they would do this? Or would this be too risky from a PR point-of-view? | 2017-11-18 17:15:06 | 18 | Building on this I ve always thought it would be pretty cool when FSD hits that a Semi would autonomously deliver your car to your house or the service center. It would be pretty cool to see *something* like this. | 2017-11-18 17:19:31 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 24,285 |
How to drive with Stop at traffic light & stop signs enabled | The update is magical when you first get it. Then you get annoyed Then you realize a few things. So here s a guide: If on auto steer when approaching a stop sign: Going straight: let it stop tap the stalk down and it s magical. Life is good. Best use case possible. Turning: let it stop tap the stalk up to turn off autopilot so you don t fight with your steering wheel to disengage autopilot to turn. Then put it back on after the turn. When approaching a red light: If first let car stop on the line. It s magical. When light turns green use accelerator to go or you will crawl out like your grandma driving a Prius. If behind another car it will stop like before but tap the auto pilot stalk down when it s time to go. When approaching a green light: Tap the auto pilot stalk down to keep going. You have to be ready for this at every light. Remember you are training the fleet so don t get annoyed. Do your part and keep training. When approaching a flashing yellow light (like a a fire station): Use the accelerator to keep going. If you use the auto pilot stalk it will keep going until the next flash then you have to do it again and again and again. You won t win car will slow down so just push past it with the pedal. Hope this helps. | 2020-04-27 23:52:50 | 865 | Watch out for RR crossings my car sees them as traffic signals. | 2020-04-28 00:04:48 | 186 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 8,580 |
How many of Teslas 400k pre-orders are going to turn into sales? What difference does it make? | A lot of people are excited about the number of pre-orders Tesla has received on the Model 3 in just two weeks. And some are annoyed with that enthusiasm and are cynically trying to rain on everyone s parade by asking yeah but how many of those are going to turn into actual sales? I think those people are missing the forest for the trees. There is still a year and a half before the car ships and pre-orders will surely spike after the second reveal. But just for the sake of argument let s say that there won t be any more pre-orders and only 50% turn into actual sales. So that s 200 000 people actually buying cars once they start shipping. Musk has said their Fremont factory s current max capacity is 90 000 cars per year. In the wake of the preorders they re trying to up that number but we can be reasonably certain that they re not going to ship more than 100 000 cars within the first year. So even with a drastic drop in orders-into-sales they ll still have way more demand than supply. Then look at how they structured ordering. The first priority is current S & X owners. Next are people who actually stood in line at Tesla stores. These are the most enthusiastic of owners. Tesla s marketing strategy is to have people who own the car talk it up to their neighbors friends. These people who are at the front of the line will be the most forgiving of whatever production flaws recalls the car will have (and it will of course have some because all brand new cars do). They are high information buyers who know what they re getting themselves into and they will be happy to be a part of the process of working out the kinks. All the while they ll be talking up the car to regular people. As more and more cars are delivered they ll have fewer issues. By the time early orders are fulfilled and cars are available to the general consumer there will be hundreds of thousands of Teslas on the road. So any amount of pre-order sales beyond that 200 000 number is just gravy. | 2016-04-15 14:27:55 | 18 | I am going to guess that while it s still rising I think 80%+ will become actual sales. This is a REALLY long line now.. and if someone jumps out of line and Part 2 comes and they REALLY like it... they re going to be quite ticked at themselves. So we ll see what Part 2 brings. Tesla has a way of adding a little extra that makes us go oooohh | 2016-04-15 14:30:06 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 8,427 |
Software Update (18 08 15) 6.2.5.36 | I just got a notification but I m at work. Change log? | 2015-08-18 15:42:56 | 8 | It s still 6.2.something so nothing but the usual minor tweaks bug fixes in minor updates. | 2015-08-18 15:55:44 | 5 | Tesla Software Updates Overview | 17,461 |
Is there a way to view the number of superchargers within a country over the years? | Hey so I m doing a project which involves Tesla and I ve tried searching for the total number of superchargers within the countries of Europe and apart from the official map without numbers I don t get anything. Is this sort of information accessible anywhere? Current numbers or even past numbers would be great so long as it s per country. Apologies if this is a weird one I don t know where else to ask. | 2020-05-14 22:03:58 | 22 | Supercharge.info | 2020-05-14 22:10:10 | 11 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 10,176 |
Cybertruck + Solar power package + Tiny House? | After geeking out on the Cybertruck and its bonafides for the week I realized one specific market is a perfect fit those who have portable Tiny Houses. [How much electricity does a Tiny House use?](https: poweredportablesolar.com how-much-electricity-does-a-tiny-house-use ) Assuming the a worse energy efficiency than a Model X (400-500Wh mile) a Solar powered CT with the full solar power option (40 miles day) may generate around 16-20kWh day. I am sure someone will say my math or assumptions are wrong but in either case I still believe it may be enough to to power a Tiny House off-grid. | 2019-11-30 15:32:44 | 22 | Put a solar roof on the tiny house too! :-D | 2019-11-30 17:52:10 | 28 | Issues with Tesla Energy Installation | 4,363 |
Should my Model 3 wake up on Wifi only? No cell service? | I park my Model 3 in a valet garage that has no LTE or other cell service (the cars stay underground). The office manager let me install a wifi extender so the car could stay connected but I m noticing once it goes to sleep I can t seem to wake it up (it tries but times out). Short of calling the garage and asking them to wake the car anytime I want to ping or adjust battery level I m not sure what to do. Should the car respond to a mobile app ping to wake it up when it s connected via wifi only? Or does waking it always require a cell signal? | 2020-07-03 18:45:27 | 16 | WiFi disconnects when the car goes to sleep. Waking the car will require a cell signal or for you to be within bluetooth range (unlocking the car also wakes it). You could also keep it awake by running Sentry mode though your battery will drain more quickly. | 2020-07-03 19:46:57 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 17,154 |
July Part 3 Event | Can we start bets on when the final reveal event will be? Can break it down into 4 weeks first week is July 4th extended weekend week so likely not then. My best guess is Thursday July 20th. And starting deliveries the following week as promised. | 2017-06-26 22:50:17 | 56 | Going to be last week of July hands down. July 31st my guess. First Model 3s will be delivered on stage just to say they delivered in July. | 2017-06-26 23:17:35 | 79 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 10,357 |
Rotate the free car color more frequently | Hey guys don t you guys think it would be a good idea to rotate the free car colour every now and then? I feel like everywhere that I go I see white Tesla s with a different color sprinkled in every now and then. This is coming from somebody who plans to buy a blue tesla model 3 in the coming months. So I think maybe we start with the blue one to go free :) I am also part of team bring back silver | 2021-04-08 15:44:24 | 25 | White shows the least amount of imperfections so I don t see them changing the included color any time soon. | 2021-04-08 15:48:28 | 80 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 16,633 |
Ordered X75D looking for feedback during 7-day change period | I finally ordered an X75D last night delivery is late March. I went with base configuration then added EAP and Full Self-Driving. Comments and suggestions are welcome while I m in the 7-day change period. Super excited to join the family! | 2016-12-23 18:34:49 | 10 | As a personal preference I wouldn t go for Full Self-Driving. Not only does it not exist yet but the regulatory approval the company will need to actually push that out is probably gonna take some time. Being that EAP is close to release I d keep it on. | 2016-12-24 04:13:09 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 14,489 |
Glass roofs and thunderstorms | I hope this isn t a really stupid question but how safe are glass roofs in a thunderstorm. My understanding is that cars are *generally* safe in thunderstorms because the metal (including the roof!) conducts lighting around you instead of through you. Would driving a car with a glass roof during a thunderstorm be dangerous in terms of getting hit by lightning? | 2017-05-01 21:39:57 | 6 | I have no idea. All I know is that your car shrinks the wheels turn and lock at 80 degrees causing your car to spin and bowser runs you over. | 2017-05-01 21:45:07 | 99 | Ceramic Coating Application Process | 7,239 |
Opinion: If corner cases are the main things we complain FSD can t do then it s doing incredibly well | It s true Tesla will have to seek an incredibly high bar of safety and quality for FSD but given the progress that s already been made I d say we are remarkably further along than we used to be. The 2016 FSD demo was an obvious prototype. Now we have dev vehicles and consumer vehicles in shadow mode consistently recognizing stop signs traffic lights complex intersections and more. With new hardware coming the Tesla network continuing to grow and data processing capabilities continuing to improve... I d say we re going to be at 90% then 99% then 99.9...% FSD complete in no time. Until one day (maybe as soon as 2 - 3 years from now) you re going to get in your car and you re going to trust it to drive you more than you trust driving yourself. We can assume progress is greater than regressions which means the self-driving the cars can already do will continue to improve... and what it can t do will be slowly chipped away at. (Slowly being highly subjective. I personally think it s happening at an incredibly rate.) | 2019-04-29 02:43:21 | 21 | Corner cases are by nature always the last and most difficult things to iron out. | 2019-04-29 03:56:24 | 18 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 14,430 |
Can a power wall contribute to the amperage rating of a home? | First I m confused about something. The Powerwall 2 supplies 5kW (7kW peak) of continuous power. For normal 120V outlets that s a total of 41.7A (58.3A peak). At 240V that s 20.8A (29.2A). So not even enough current for a NEMA 14-50 outlet (240V 50A) to charge a Tesla let alone the normal functions of a home? I feel like I m missing something. Assuming I am missing something back to my original question. Can a power wall contribute significantly to the amperage rating of a home? For example can a home with a 150A service act like it has a 170A service with a powerwall contributing to the normal grid power (assuming that the main breaker is adjusted accordingly etc) | 2017-08-12 23:02:34 | 12 | Yes but to a point. That original 150A rating applies to both the main breaker and the bus bar of the panel... And really the panel as a whole. You are not allowed to go past 120% the rated capacity of the main panel. This is actually a common situation in solar. If the combined amps of the solar breaker and the main breaker exceeds 120% of the bus bar then you must derate the main breaker. For example given your 150A main you could add up to 30A backfeed without derating. If you wanted 50A of solar and battery then you derate the main breaker to 130A. | 2017-08-13 02:07:27 | 8 | Issues with Tesla Energy Installation | 3,419 |
Is it too late to invest in Tesla? | Stock prices hover around $250 a share which is great news for those who got in well before that value but I only just started started looking into investments of individual stocks. Elon is on fire with Model 3 spaceX etc. Is there still a chance to get on the investment bandwagon or is it just too late? | 2016-04-09 17:38:14 | 5 | People comparing TSLA to GM BMW and other legacy manufacturers are missing two things. Stock valuation is based on future growth and profitability. The car market is 100 years old and the definition of saturated. These legacy manufacturers have low growth and sky high competition that squeezes margin. Turn on your TV and all you will see are car ads. Meanwhile Tesla has been growing 50% yoy since its inception and that is only constrained by their production ramp. They could grow even faster if they can get their factory up and running since demand is clearly not a restraint given what we ve seen from the Model 3 launch. The other side of the coin is profitability. What is rarely talked about is the tightening emissions standards around the world and its effect on manufacturer profitability. The most profitable segment in the car industry is trucks and SUVs while they are the most polluting. The least profitable is new energy vehicles such as EVs due to high battery costs. However as emissions standards keep going up legacy manufacturers profitability will get squeezed as they are forced to build more and more low profit zero emissions vehicles and less high profit trucks and SUVs. Meanwhile Tesla is on the opposite end of that curve. Their profitability is the lowest right now due to huge sunk costs inherent in the auto business. But as their economies of scale increases and their battery technology advances their profitability will rise over time. In fact inherently the EV architecture is much simpler and easier to build(cheaper) than a 5000 moving part gasoline engine and transmission. So when Tesla hits scale they will become one of the most profitable(per unit) manufacturers in the industry. When you combine high future profitability and the highest growth rate in the industry(in fact in many industries not just autos) that is why it would be foolish to make an apples to apples market cap comparison between Tesla and any of the legacy OEMs. Aside from all that the market is simply not that dumb. The stock market is a pricing mechanism that while in the near term can be fickle and influenced by investor psyche in the long term it is fairly efficient. The outcries of overvaluation are nothing new and has been around since TSLA was trading at $30 with the same tired arguments comparing how many cars GM builds etc etc. The fact is the market has determined that TSLA is worth $200+ for over 2 years now. This is not some temporary spike of irrational exuberance but rather the market determining fair value. I find it incredibly arrogant for people to scoff at that and come out with their own valuation metrics to discredit TSLA as if the rest of the market is simply stupid. It is quite possibly the other way around. | 2016-04-09 22:06:13 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 10,015 |
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Delivery timing now 8-12 weeks in Washington state and Oregon | Up until today it was 1-2 weeks... & #x200B & #x200B https: preview.redd.it yql76ppuy2n41.png?width=1952& format=png& auto=webp& s=eb6cafad2c2eb09e29f33d7283721203123d17e1 | 2020-03-16 18:48:03 | 27 | I saw another thread somewhere hat they are considering shutting down the production lines for a while because of C19. | 2020-03-16 18:51:34 | 12 | Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences | 4,976 |
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Using Powerwalls to Capture offpeak energy and sell it back on peak times? | Hey guys I was just wondering if someone could buy a power wall without solar and just charge it up during offpeak hours and sell it back to the grid during peak hours for profit? Maybe with AutoBidder? Is that even available to consumers right now? Just wondering if this is something that people can do already | 2021-01-17 20:04:59 | 5 | No. The software won t let you | 2021-01-17 20:11:23 | 7 | Issues with Tesla Energy Installation | 21,949 |
[Discussion] Experiencing irregular behaviors with the Model 3 and starting the car + smartphone key | A week ago after having issues with my iPhone experiencing no internet connectivity in the morning - the Apple Genius told me that he s seen this issue arise with Tesla owners recently. Not sure if it is iPhone X specific. My bedroom is directly above a double height garage. A clean wipe and install of iOS didn t solve the problem. Just to see if that theory was true I unpaired the phone as the Bluetooth key from the Tesla s menu. For the following days I noticed that the iPhone didn t experience connectivity issues. I used the keycard to get into the Model 3. Here s where things get weird... irregularly I could press the brake pedal and put the car into drive - no key card tapping by the cup holders needed. After a few days I decided the Bluetooth issue is hopefully temporary from Tesla and I ll deal with the connectivity issue in exchange of keyless access to the car. I added the phone back as a key. Fast forward to today when halfway through my commute in the morning I realized I left my phone at home. Turns out it was on my bed. From a vertical distance the phone would have been at a minimum of 15ft away from the car when I walked up to unlock it. Seems quite odd that from that far away the car unlocked and started. For reference I have both keyless access settings enabled from the Lock menu. Anyone else have a similar experience? | 2018-06-13 18:46:28 | 10 | Since getting my Model 3 I ve had the same issue with my iPhone X not being able to send or receive wifi data sometimes. It occurs when I have bluetooth enabled and am in my house far enough from the car so that it s just _barely_ maintaining a connection with one or more of the car s bluetooth radios. It seems like in this scenario the phone s bluetooth radio is working extra hard to stay connected to the car and this somehow interferes with wifi so even though I have a strong wifi signal the phone will just drop packets. It also drains my phone battery like crazy. The problem goes away if I turn bluetooth off. Not sure if there s much Tesla can do about this. It seems like an iPhone issue to me the phone really shouldn t try so hard to hold a bluetooth connection that it breaks wifi. | 2018-06-13 19:11:30 | 7 | Model 3 phone key issues | 24,323 |
Shopping for used Teslas (OnlyUsedTesla) | I ve been looking for a used model 3 for some time now and found what appears to be a good deal on only used tesla after seeing a post here about the website. Honestly I think the site is great. Its a nice little place to find what you re looking for. Obviously you need to complete your own due diligence when looking for a car and not trust a website but I feel like there should be a feature or option allowing the owner to pay for certification the car is accident free. Of 3 cars I ve looked into 2 claim to be accident free and they actually show up in police reports for accidents. Clearly not something onlyusedtesla.com can police against but unfortunately people lie through their teeth trying to sell you a car in perfect condition when in fact it s been in an accident. If you don t want to pay for an autocheck or carfax try getting a sales trade in quote on Carvana and they will tell you if its been in an accident for free using the VIN. Carvana pays 10% less for cars involved in accidents you should too. | 2020-03-10 03:26:38 | 12 | Hey honestly I would purchase a new car if your credit situation is good. You are looking at about 2k difference between a brand new vehicle and a used. | 2020-03-10 03:37:16 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 17,100 |
Thumbs down on all Slacker songs - Tesla won t release creds | & #x200B My son thought it would be fun to hit the Thumbs Down button on all the songs that were playing in Today s Hits and Owner Favorites the other day. My repertoire on the station is now a grand total of 5 songs that keep looping. Did an online chat with support this morning they said create a mobile service request. Created a local service request via the app and the mobile tech chuckled then said call roadside. Called roadside and they promptly told me the only way to reset is to factory reset the car. They no longer give out the password for Slacker (Model X owner). Factory reset of the car for a simple fix like resetting a Slacker playlist seems to be the nuclear option. All of my address history my charging locations my phones my seat preferences my auto-raise suspension locations etc etc will all be lost. There has to be another way! Any ideas? PS: I even went to the slacker website to see the Today s Hits channel and decided I can search for the songs and un-ThumbsDown them. Nope. As you know searching for a song will create a new station based on it but it won t play the song itself! (and with the song thumbs down I can t even skip to it and unThumbsDown it!) . Doh! & #x200B EDIT: Gilded? Whoa. Thank you kind internet stranger. | 2019-12-10 01:55:29 | 39 | You need a new son | 2019-12-10 01:59:58 | 113 | Spotify Integration Analysis | 21,164 |
Model 3 repair taking over 30 days | My model 3 is in for collision repair and my rental coverage runs out this Tuesday. I m freaking out a bit. I don t know if I can afford the rental while they keep working on my Tesla but my Tesla isn t driveable. I have umbrella insurance anybody if that would cover this? Or if Tesla would cover it while they work on getting parts out? I need a car every single day for kids work and school. | 2019-02-15 16:09:12 | 23 | Your umbrella coverage will not pay for additional rental. That coverage is for protecting your liability in the event you cause bodily injury and your underlying bodily injury liability limit is not sufficient. | 2019-02-15 16:12:36 | 21 | Tesla Service Experience Feedback | 12,338 |
Anyone try to buy the stock 19 wheels from the service center? | looking at getting the base performance model with aero wheels. Wish tesla would let us order it with just the 19 wheels. was wondering if anyone tried to buy these from the service center? i prefer oem rims not aftermarket ones edit: dont want the 20 s potholes are crazy where i live | 2018-07-24 00:24:22 | 9 | Pro move would be selling the 20s to some schm-… upstanding individual as a trade for his 19s + cash | 2018-07-24 00:39:39 | 6 | Model Y Wheel Options | 2,048 |
Employer Charging Solution Advice. | Hey everyone. I was hoping to get some advice from some more knowledgeable people. I am fortunate enough to have just received my new model 3. Being the first person at my company to own an electric vehicle my facilities department approached me and asked if I would like an EV charge in the employee parking area. I of course said that would be lovely. They have asked me to do a bit of research and find a suitable charging solution for them to implement. I was wondering if any of you had any input on what type of charger we should go with. I assume I would go with a generic charger so others can charge their vehicle if they decide to go with something other than Tesla. Anyone who has a dedicated EV charger at work what device did your company choose? Thank you for the help! | 2020-04-04 17:50:55 | 37 | Install J1772 chargers. That way anyone with any brand of EV can use it. Also tell them to install at least 2 in case one breaks. If there s more future users install more. DO NOT install NEMA 14-50s. Those connectors are not designed to be plugged and unplugged daily. | 2020-04-04 20:30:36 | 31 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 5,997 |
What to consider when buying used? | I m considering buying a used Model X as my first Tesla car . What things should I be aware of? What should I look for? I think a 2017+ is what I want and I want FSD. I don t have a timeline for this yet as I m still working out the financial side of things. I m also assuming that I should only buy used from Tesla to take advantage of the warranty correct? | 2019-04-17 18:37:00 | 9 | Biggest is be aware that it is no longer a CPO program. You are buying a used vehicle that can have imperfections and lots of the time Tesla won t even bother fixing things that are covered under warranty until after you purchase the car. Meaning on day of delivery your car may have doors that don t open windows that won t roll down and other issues that will require an immediate return to a service center to have fixed (free of charge under warranty). They will give you a loaner Tesla until the repairs are complete if you request it. I have a few other posts I ve made about my own personal experience buying a used Tesla Model S 70D so if you have any questions I can point you to some detailed posts I ve made. | 2019-04-17 19:53:52 | 11 | Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences | 22,984 |
Will Performance Y Ever Get 7 Seat Configuration? | Hi! Our family is considering a Model Y (we re also considering an X). We d like seven seats but my heart is set on the performance Y. Does anyone know if there is something about the performance hardware that makes the seven seat configuration impossible (weight or space etc.?)? Or is Tesla just optimizing it s seven seat manufacturing process to minimize permutations as Y continues to ramp? Thank you! Jared | 2021-01-11 20:56:25 | 15 | Same here... curious if there s any answer here. I m so frustrated with everyone posting “you don t need 7 seats”. | 2021-01-11 21:13:13 | 28 | Model 3 Seat Impressions | 23,629 |
Powerwall 2 charge rate time? [Discussion] | Does anyone know the maximum charge rate of the Powerwall 2 - or more importantly how fast can it be charged up using power from the grid (during off-peak time)? | 2017-09-11 21:00:34 | 8 | pretty sure it s 5kw output input steady with 7kw peak | 2017-09-11 21:22:23 | 4 | Issues with Tesla Energy Installation | 15,444 |
My model S has been in transit for 11 days and my delivery specialist is pretty unresponsive | I have been trying to get updates from my delivery specialist but he is slow to reply and has little info. Is this normal? I send an email and he will not reply for 2-4 days. I also asked him about the free unlimited supercharging because I ordered 4 20 and he said I would get free supercharging. Which seems to ignore unlimited. I do not want to call him out because I do not want to piss of the guy who has control over getting my car and I have no idea what his workload is like. What has your delivery specialist experience been like? | 2017-05-24 18:53:01 | 5 | > I do not want to call him out because I do not want to piss of the guy who has control over getting my car and I have no idea what his workload is like. Then just chill. The car is in transit. It has to arrive. Get inspected. Get cleaned. Get inspected again. Then delivery day is scheduled. Unless you ve missed your delivery day by more than a couple days you re probably right on schedule. There is literally nothing you need to do between now and delivery day except for financing insurance and home charging infrastructure. On delivery day you ll get the paperwork and Monroney sticker which you will verify is correct and discuss free supercharging unlimited supercharging or free unlimited supercharging or whatever combination of words you care to use. So be cool. I know you re anxious to have your new car but you have to let the system work. | 2017-05-24 20:47:08 | 14 | Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences | 13,456 |
Test drove my dream car the new Jaguar F-Type and then the I-Pace. Friend who had a Model S delivered two days ago urged me to test drive it before making a decision so I took him up on the offer. | Just posting this out of sheer excitement. For the last 4 years I ve been saving up to buy the best spec Jaguar F-Type in cash it has always been my dream car. Went into the dealership yesterday to test drive the new model and loved it! While there I also drove the I-Pace and seriously considered it as I m aware that ICE vehicles are not what this planet needs right now. The I-Pace was nice but not nearly as nice as the F-Type so I went home to do a bit more research. A good friend recently had his new Tesla Model S delivered and he urged me to try it out before pulling the trigger on my new Jaguar. While I was 90% set on the F-Type and 10% on the I-Pace I decided I d still take him up on it. Have to say that it was one of the best decisions I ve ever made. It felt like it was in a different league to the other vehicles. The speed was intense had so much more tech offerings which my friend demo d including AutoPilot which I loved. The car itself felt incredible to drive in my opinion better than the two Jaguars I test drove. All the other benefits especially the charging network were the cherries on top. Just put my order in for a blue Model S Performance! Best part is that it was more than $10K cheaper than the F-Type I had spec ed out even with the FSD add on. :) Excited to join the EV world and community! Fun note my dad put in a deposit for the Model Y and he s very excited as well. | 2019-07-31 16:11:00 | 4,637 | This is an impressive anecdote. -Spend 4 years saving for dream car -Try Tesla -Tesla is now dream car... and it s cheaper. edit: oh god this comment is 6 hours old and has 666 upvotes. halp. | 2019-07-31 17:03:42 | 1,638 | Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences | 20,562 |
Dash Cam SSD drive question | Hey I see a lot of suggestions for the Samsung T5 SSD as a really reliable device for dash cam footage storage looking at amazon I m seeing the T5 500 GB is $134.99 while the T7 500 GB is only $79.99 - so im simply wondering what the major difference is going to be? Will the T7 SSD be as reliable as the T5 SSD? | 2020-09-05 13:35:10 | 21 | An SSD is nice but really not necessary. Get a Samsung Endurance MicroSD card and one of these: Rocketek Aluminum USB 3.0 Portable Memory Card Reader Adapter for Micro SD Card TF Card Reader Adapter https: www.amazon.com dp B06XTQZS4F It s extremely reliable. An SSD is faster but that will only help if you re taking it out of the car and copying it to a PC regularly. If you want to stay with the SSD — the difference from the T5 is that the T7 uses an NVMe SSD instead of a SATA drive. The T7 will be twice as fast as the T5. But that won t matter for dash cam footage. | 2020-09-05 13:48:23 | 55 | Issues with Sentry Mode | 4,809 |
Live in an Apartment? How do you charge your new Tesla? | Unless the apt complex allows you to modify a wall outlet do you take your Tesla to a charging station for a few hours a week each time it needs charging? Or have you moved out of your apt and into a home where you can charge it conveniently in the garage? | 2017-02-03 17:12:28 | 22 | Obviously it depends where you live (btw I don t own a Tesla). I live in London UK where my local council provide a decent amount of charging stations (appropriate for the number of EVs around). It requires a membership and you need to pay for the electricity you use but there are at least 3 stations within 30 seconds walk from my home. I only need to charge once a week so don t find this a problem at all. https: www.sourcelondon.net | 2017-02-03 17:30:17 | 11 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 10,916 |
Canadians... can we really think the Model 3 is affordable for us? | I m sure many of us are excited for the Model 3 to be released and to see more Tesla vehicles on the road. Because if you re like me my heart jumps and skips a beat every time I look at those sexy beasts. With the arrival of an affordable Model 3 on the way I wonder how affordable it will really be? I think it s easy to market something in the United States because no one really thinks about currency conversion only to find out its very expensive. So as a Canadian who has honestly no idea how to do math and has stayed away from it throughout all of his undergraduate degree... allow me to show you why we re shit out of luck (based on a worst case scenario because I m a pessimistic fuck). *Note: All currency will be in CAD unless otherwise stated.* --- Let s begin at the USD price tag of [$35 000](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 639172302530215936) and say that the CAD price tag will be ~$46 000^1. If we look at the Model S it starts at $75 000 USD and starts $101 900 CAD which is almost the same as my current currency conversion. **So now we have a $46 000 CAD price tag.** But what about upgrades? Yes. Honestly fuck the after gas savings and incentives price. To me its useless and is only relevant after 5 years. Let s assuming upgrades will be $15 200^2 not including any battery upgrades but **does include the dual motor option**. See the starting price is not a realistic price... its just the cheapest price possible. Kinda like a Jetta is $15 995 but air conditioning and an automatic transmission added to it brings the price to $23 000. Stupid. But what about fees and taxes? Well now we re at $61 200. Add the $1 300 regulatory doc fee and its $62 500 + 13% tax = $70 625. Holy. Shit. It s okay though because there are government incentives to help us out. [Turns out we can shave $14 000^3 off that price!](http: www.forms.ssb.gov.on.ca mbs ssb forms ssbforms.nsf GetFileAttach 023-2096E~3 $File 2096E_Guide.pdf) This math actually works out because the total value of the incentives cannot exceed 30% of the Manufacturer s Suggested Retail Price (MRSP) because if we took off 30% of the original $46 000 we get $13 800 which cuts it pretty close. Does it include upgrades or not? I have no idea. Again hope for the best and expect the worst. So all in all we seem to have a car that has an inclusive price tag of **$56 625**. This include some realistic upgrades that I believe the average person would put into their car without a battery upgrade. Where I live (Hamilton Ontario) the majority of people drive cars that I assume are in the ball park of ~$15 000. So to me (middle-class suburb guy) a car that starts at $15 995 is affordable and hopefully in the near future we can see [Jetta](http: contents.vw.ca en models jetta?_ga=1.19696504.1728549186.1459262723) [Civic](https: www.honda.ca civic_sedan)-priced EV s in the market that won t skimp out on range (looking at you every other car company that has a poor excuse for a plug-in hybrid). Even though this may be the reality for the Canadian market I gotta hand it to Tesla for paving the way to make affordable (well... becoming increasingly affordable) EV s to strive for a better world. --- ^**1** As of the writing of this post 1 USD = 1.32 CAD ^**2** Upgrades include: $1 300 paint job $2 000 panoramic roof $3 300 autopilot feature $4 000 premium interior $3 300 Hi-Fi Sound System $1 300 subzero weather package (because Canada) = $15 200 ^**3** Vehicles with a battery capacity from 5 to 16 kilowatt-hours (kWh) are eligible for incentives ranging between$6 000 to$10 000 based on the battery capacity of the vehicle Vehicles with a battery capacity of larger than 16 kWh are also eligible for an additional $3 000 incentive Vehicles with five or more seats are also eligible for an additional $1 000 incentive ***edit: I need to address some things because some of the comments:*** * I don t know if the price of some upgrades will be relative to that of the price of the car. (i.e. Model S = expensive car with expensive upgrades -- Model 3 = cheaper car with cheaper upgrades?) * I m saying $15 000 in upgrades because it is **an assumption** of what **some** people that are willing to spend this kind of cash will get in their cars if we use the Model S as a comparison. Also using what I see in the subreddit. If you can t afford that much in upgrades then don t spend that much in upgrades. * I m using the Jetta and Civic as examples of prices I d like to see in cars that are EV s and not ICE s. **I m not comparing the Model 3 to that of a Jetta Civic class.** I just want to see that class have EVs that have good range. | 2016-03-29 14:41:16 | 84 | Even for those in the US affordable is still a stretch. I only plan on purchasing a base model if I can still get the $7 500 tax credit. The base model with sales taxes and tax credit it will be roughly $30 000USD. Most people in my area spend about $20K on a new car at most. | 2016-03-29 15:23:06 | 27 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 3,636 |
Why is my inbox full of articles of imminent Tesla downfall? | I like reading about Tesla form time to time. It is very satisfying to read about developments of a game changing company and team. While I can understand that no company is ideal one simply cannot downplay amazing change that Tesla initiated and forced other companies to follow. I can understand that many would like to see it fail. Is similar scenario realistic in short to medium period? My inbox is piling up with articles of imminent failure. While most of these are rubbish one info all are playing with is decreasing stock value. Is the decrease significant and permanent and what is the reason for it? | 2019-05-26 18:22:33 | 14 | You can attribute it to many factors: & #x200B * Tesla had a terrible Q1 and had a loss of over $700m after Elon publicly stating the company should be profitable every Q from now on two quarters ago * Tesla deliveries worldwide have massively slowed down (according to Q1 and April reports) but this has been true for a lot of the car industry * The sales of the Model S and X were basically in freefall Q1 and those were the highly profitable ones. * Since mid-Q1 Tesla has gone wild on pricing changes every few weeks causing many to question what is going * The recent fund raise seemed to happen out of nowhere especially after the Tesla team said they had no intentions on raising additional money * Tesla recent cost-cutting efforts can be seen as a bit extreme. You would think Elon would have better things to do than review expense reports himself? & #x200B And a bunch of other news that have been making rounds that question how stable Tesla as a company is. A lot of the bad news can be attributed to FUD and the media will jump on any negative story way more than a positive one but to fully ignore all the news saying that Tesla is in trouble would be just as foolish. I think the Q2 report will give us a much better picture into how healthy the company really is. | 2019-05-26 18:43:21 | 29 | Musk's Tesla Take-Private Saga | 23,524 |
Why the Bolt doesn t sell as much as a Model 3 | I m sick of people saying the Bolt is basically the same car as the Model 3 *but available today*. No it is not and let s not pretend it is. Let s start with a simple question: # What s special about the Bolt if it had a petrol engine? Meanwhile the Model 3 even if it was petrol would offer: * **Attractive luxurious-looking design.** Design is something subjective but we can at least agree that it looks like a Model S a car costing twice as much combined with a nose that looks like a Porsche Panamera also a car double the price. The Bolt looks like a bloated version of a Chevy Spark a 10k car literally the cheapest GM offering today. * **Unique interior design.** I m not going to say it s better or worse than the competitors because its a matter of personal preference as well but I m going to say its a minimalism design that we have never seen before. * **Rear window that goes further than other cars**. Same here you may not like it but you can t argue that it s something new. * **Alcantara wood panel in the interior.** This signifies a more luxurious interior. I haven t been in either cars but I wouldn t be surprised the plastic material is better on the 3 than the Bolt * **Significantly smoother larger touchscreen.** I would argue it is better than Mercedes S-class Audi A8 even Model S and X or actually *literally any car*. The Bolt has something similar to other economy GM vehicles * **Autopilot**. Hardware that is ready for full self driving * **0-60 time in 5 seconds** * **RWD (or AWD)** as opposed to FWD * **Multi-link rear suspension** (fully independent) vs. torsion beam on the Bolt (same kind of suspension as Ford Fiesta less advanced than Ford Focus) * And with it comes **sporty handling characteristics** as the reviewers mentioned. * Extra space in form of **frunk** ____________________________________ In short even if the Model 3 was a petrol like every other car some people would still happily pay 35k for it for the features mentioned above. How many would pay that money for a Bolt? Would you pay 35k for a car with torsion beam rear suspension? | 2018-02-05 02:35:14 | 53 | Bolt EV owner (lease) here. I rented a 1 week old Model 3 this weekend to compare them. I don t really give a rat s ass about absolute speed and performance. All I care about is having an EV that is fun to drive and handles my 80 mile commute and has enough room for 2 car seats. I ve been driving short range EV s for years and reserved my Model 3 on 3 31 16 like alot of us here. The Model 3 is definitely more of a performance car and it does handle much much better but the Bolt actually does some things better than the Model 3 and spending $300 on Turo to rent the Model 3 was probably the wisest money I ve ever spent. Believe it or not for me going from the Bolt to a Model 3 would actually involve some compromises (*shudder*). The regen braking is the biggest for me. The Bolt s is simply better. It s more aggressive without being jarring. It allows you to drive with one pedal never needing to move your foot over the brake. Its zen-like which sounds silly until you actually drive it and get used to it. Second big thing for me is Android Auto. I actually use it every day and as much as the Model 3 s screen is amazing not being able to have that integration sucks. Tesla truly does remind me of Apple from a few years ago. They want you to not have choice. They know best and having choice is wrong for the user. Third thing is that the Bolt actually DOES have more interior passenger room than the Model 3. I couldn t get our rear facing child seat in the seat behind the driver with the driver seat in the correct position. I can in the Bolt. There s no difference in width in the rear seat between the two but there is more combined legroom in the Bolt between the front and rear seats which I was shocked by. Other little things I prefer having a heated steering wheel in the Bolt. Having two rear view cameras in the Bolt one being integrated into the rearview mirror with the push of a button. The surround view top down camera when backing into spaces or parallel parking is also extremely cool and useful in the Bolt. But the things I thought I would absolutely love like the glass roof and the open feel of the cabin were nullified for me by how dark the tint is on the roof. I absolutely hated how dark it felt inside the Model 3 versus what my expectation had been. And the autopilot did not feel ready for prime time. I d experienced AP1 in a Model S that my neighbor let me borrow a few years ago and commute to work in. The AP2 in the Model 3 doesn t feel quite as good. It moves around way too much in the lane and had way too many close calls where I had to take over. If I m going to drive one in traffic I d choose the Bolt right now because of the one pedal driving. The Model 3 is an amazing drivers car. But it s also a $55k car as configured. It handles so damn well and just feels so planted and controlled. The Bolt by comparison feels dangerous but fun. There s so much torque on the Bolt that it feels out of control sometimes when you push it but to me that gets my heart rate up and makes it actually feel more fun to drive in certain situations. I think the Bolt would actually be better for autocrossing. | 2018-02-05 16:37:44 | 76 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 23,574 |
Stuck in Quartzite with no supercharger! | Driving from Phoenix to LA. I arrive in Quartzite to charge up for the rest of the drive. Terrible story but there was an officer involved shooting this morning including a car chase that happened to end right near the supercharger! Police won t let me though so I am stuck charging at an RV camp nearby. What should have taken 20 minutes is now going to take 3 hours. I have actually never felt range anxiety before and this is a little different but it still really stinks. I have to get well over 120 miles of real range to make it to the next supercharger. There isn t event another brands charging station anywhere closer (destination charger chargepoint etc) This is the ONLY time I have ever felt even a slight bit of regret related to going full electric. | 2017-09-13 19:28:04 | 58 | FWIW I thank you for being an early adopter. Without people like you the Model 3 wouldn t be a thing. As with all relatively new technology there will be a few bumps along the way but I m glad that there are people like you who are willing to ride out those bumps to get us all there someday. | 2017-09-13 19:42:33 | 44 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 17,844 |
Performance and AWD Price DROP! | [https: imgur.com a 7t0yDFG](https: imgur.com a 7t0yDFG) What is happening! AWD 53K Performance is 69K with a 64K option if you don t want the wheels brakes spoiler | 2018-06-27 00:08:52 | 203 | Got my order in... Can t believe it... was expecting 83K (performance + EAP) but it was 75K instead.... :-D | 2018-06-27 00:31:20 | 57 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 15,106 |
Email that just arrived to Tesla Model X reservation holders (Towing ability & dual motor on the X) | Dear Model X reservation holders Thank you for your continued patience in the Model X reservation process. We are making steady progress towards delivering a phenomenal car that defies comparison. With Model S we made a point of delivering a product that was even better than the show car and we are extending that philosophy to Model X. In fact every element of Model X – from the interior to the falcon wing doors – either lives up to or surpasses the prototype we initially unveiled. In October we announced dual motor all-wheel drive and Autopilot. These were important leaps forward for Model S but we re pleased to confirm that they will also be central to Model X. The dual motor propulsion system of Model S 85D will be the same system that powers Model X delivering uncompromised range and control of traction. But this is not simply a scaled-up Model S – every detail of this car has been optimized for the unique mission of Model X. Model X demand has been intense and orders are continuing to come in at a rapid rate. We ll be spending much of 2015 building and testing production-intent prototypes before delivering the first cars to customers in North America in the third quarter. While we ll be working through all orders as fast as possible anyone ordering the car today should not expect delivery until well into 2016. In the meantime we are building beta vehicles in the factory right now and we ll be using them for crash testing in the near future. We ve tested the car s aerodynamic qualities in the wind tunnel and have achieved an unprecedented level of aerodynamic efficiency for any car of this size and carrying capacity allowing us to maximize range potential. We can also reveal that Model X will be the first electric vehicle with towing capability. The optional tow hitch will support accessories and racks to transport skis and bikes with the minimum effect on aerodynamics. We re also working with the best rack and accessory companies in the world to have elegant carrying solutions ready for Model X customers next year. Thank you once again for your continued support and confidence. You are helping to accelerate the world s transition to sustainable transport and you will love your Model X. Tesla Motors > *Screenshot of email: http: i.imgur.com KGH6968.png courtesy of u bartzilla* | 2014-11-18 21:54:08 | 108 | I m more interested to know how much it can tow. It ll be limited by the chassis for sure because awd electric torque would be excellent for towing. I mean locomotives right? | 2014-11-18 22:47:28 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 5,989 |
Is EV technology scalable enough to be able to eventually constitute the majority of car sales across the world? | In a series of arguments with my professor we disagreed on the possible future of EV. He was unimpressed with Tesla Motors despite their extremely impressive start and promising future. He doesn t think that the technology is scalable enough to be able to extract and process enough resources fast enough to make up the majority of the 6 million new car sales every year. My question is whether or not this is true. Can EVs constitute the majority of the market or will the limited resources hold them back? | 2013-08-20 02:22:47 | 7 | The issue currently is charging and overcoming status quo. Have your teacher read the Diffusion of Innovations and ask him what the dominant fuel was before the Model T (it was ethanol). It took years for gasoline infrastructure to become a thing and that had more to do with the dust bowl than with gasoline s superiority as a fuel. | 2013-08-20 18:44:16 | 3 | Future of Electric Cars | 9,860 |
Tesla Announces Date for First Quarter 2018 Financial Results and Webcast | PALO ALTO Calif. April 19 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Tesla will post its financial results for the first quarter of 2018 after market close on Wednesday May 2nd 2018. At that time Tesla will issue a brief advisory containing a link to the Q1 2018 Update Letter which will be available on Tesla s Investor Relations website. Tesla will hold a live question and answer webcast that day at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time) to discuss the Company s financial and business results and outlook. http: ir.tesla.com (live and replay) Approximately two hours after the Q& A session an archived version of the webcast will be available on the Company s website. | 2018-04-19 11:18:52 | 121 | And if you ve been following along for the last few quarterly releases you know what this means......Model 3 news. Maybe we ll get our announcement regarding the rollout of new configurations (Dual Motors White Interior MAYBE Performance)....... Can t wait. Also buy your shares now I have a feeling they will jump in after-hours trading May 2nd. | 2018-04-19 12:04:19 | 32 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 18,384 |
Model X Bluetooth Quality | Hi all I have a Model X that I took delivery of in 2017 December. We love the car but there is one issue that continues to be a real nuisance. The Model X Bluetooth is unusable at any speed or with road noise. If my wife calls me from the Model X and uses the BT (she has an iPhone 7) when she is NOT speaking I can hear the road noise. Even when she speaks and she s on the highway the BT still picks up a lot of extraeneous noise and forces her to almost shout. My Mini Cooper has better quality BT sound on calls. I can live with some degree of outside noise but it should not overwhelm the BT functions. This is quite a deficiency on a $100K+ vehicle. We can t realistically converse with anyone else while in the car. Anyone else have this issue? If so what have you done to mitigate this? I d appreciate some insights on this as I am stumped. | 2019-01-05 15:44:21 | 15 | Sounds great in my TM3. I did change the BT codec on my phone. If you have a Samsung you can try this: https: android.gadgethacks.com how-to improve-bluetooth-audio-your-galaxy-s9-with-custom-codecs-0183398 But idk if that would improve call audio quality. Did improve music quality imo. | 2019-01-05 16:11:20 | 6 | Spotify Integration Analysis | 12,763 |
Phone Unlock and Keyless Start Shortcut | I created a basic shortcut for iOS to unlock and enable keyless start for my Model X. It s very basic and I ll be looking at ways to improve it but right now it works well for me. I also have a Model 3 and like the idea of not carrying a key fob around. You need to have the Tesla Remote Application for this to work. [Tesla Remote ](https: apps.apple.com us app remote-for-tesla id991623777) [Model X Unlock and Start](https: www.icloud.com shortcuts 63d8aa77e2cc42f5b0b62db5679e24ab) | 2019-11-07 17:22:56 | 11 | Model X uses a key fob unlike the Model 3. You can control the Model X with the Tesla app but it requires multiple taps to unlock and start. This shortcut is a single press and it performs both unlock and start. | 2019-11-07 17:31:48 | 3 | Bestla Tesla Companion App | 15,158 |
How do you combat stupidity at Superchargers? | Recently when I went to go supercharge near my home in the Silicon Valley I came upon a full supercharging station even though the map had one stall available. Upon pulling in I noticed that the Model S in the first stall not only was crooked in the spot but was also not plugged in (see image). I was frustrated mostly because they were just using the spot as a parking space and taking up a valuable charger for someone like myself who does not have access to charging at home. Is there any way to report people like this via VIN? How does tesla handle these kinds of situations as I m sure it was not their first time using a supercharging space as a prefered parking space. We get charged idling fees for leaving the car plugged in I feel like people should have some repercussions for actions like this. [https: imgur.com 6RiHwVc](https: imgur.com 6RiHwVc) | 2020-04-21 03:32:51 | 60 | Plug them in. | 2020-04-21 03:48:29 | 199 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 8,175 |
2017 MS infotainment update. TuneIn Radio gone | I got the update. I knew the radio would ve cost extra. I didn t know TuneIn radio would be gone as well. Is that normal with the infotainment upgrade? | 2022-08-03 04:06:58 | 6 | Have you checked your sources in the settings? Sometimes a source gets clicked off during an update etc. So it appears it s gone but it s just unselected. | 2022-08-03 15:09:11 | 17 | Spotify Integration Analysis | 404 |
2014 S85D | I have an option to buy a Tesla Model S 85D with all the bells and whistles... Autopilot Air suspension and premium interior. The car is at a dealer for $49k it has 57000 miles. is this worth buying? can you let me know the how the warranty works? i think its 8 years 125k bat and drivetrain... anywho some feedback would be appreciated. | 2018-06-04 14:08:57 | 21 | FWIW - I would not want to own air suspension out of warranty | 2018-06-04 15:48:47 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 384 |
Hummer Tax Benefits | Are there any California resident Model X owners that are aware of how the depreciation write off works for business owners who list their TMX as a business vehicle? Do you still get the $7 500 tax credit? Would you still be able to write off mileage and maintenance? What s the maximum depreciation you can write off? | 2016-07-25 00:31:15 | 17 | [For more info and for people who may be downvoting you because they don t know what the Hummer Tax Benefit is](http: www.section179.org section_179_vehicle_deductions.html). | 2016-07-25 00:55:54 | 5 | EV Tax Credit Information | 8,702 |
Goldman Sachs Client meetings with TSLA IR | Interesting commentary on AP 2.0: The company noted digging themselves into somewhat of a hole with the switch to autopilot hardware 2.0 back in October 2016 –as they just recently were able to roll-out similar functionality to the first generation of autopilot hardware. However with this –and a fleet of growing vehicles on the road collecting data TSLA believes it has a widening lead relative to competitors. At present the company has approx. 50k vehicles on the road with the potential for full autonomous vehicle ability so with average annual vehicle miles traveled of approx. 12k per vehicle TSLA is collecting data at a 600mn mile run-rate at present. By year end on our volume delivery estimates this increases to a 1.5bn mile run-rate. Lastly the company noted it is not ruling out the use of LIDAR but is also not waiting for the price point to decline for it to roll-out its fully autonomous software packages. | 2017-05-15 11:51:00 | 24 | Not ruling out the use of LIDAR that is interesting. Do you guys think they reached some kind of physical limit with the AP2 HW already and realized they won t be able to cover all szenario s without it? | 2017-05-15 12:09:54 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 7,266 |
Joining the club tomorrow! | Finally picking my MS tomorrow!! So excited going to be a very unproductive day at work today. | 2015-09-18 17:21:04 | 34 | 70D Black with pano roof and leather seats. | 2015-09-18 17:33:52 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 10,344 |
Superchargering vs Level 2 | I am one of the high mileage drivers. 10 000 miles in four months. I tried searching for this but couldn t find a definitive answer to my question. What is good for the battery life supercharging or level two charging at home or the office. Given the high mileage I put on this car I m going to have many miles on this car. I would appreciate the expert advice. | 2017-05-11 14:24:52 | 13 | In theory Level 2 charging is better because it won t heat up the battery as much during charging. On the other hand there is some evidence that supercharging is better for the battery because then the battery is heated up for a shorter amount of time. In either case I d say don t worry about it Tesla batteries do not degrade significantly regardless of which charging method you use. I d recommend a Level 2 charger at home as that will be more convenient. | 2017-05-11 14:37:43 | 19 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 18,017 |
Tesla told me my mosel x middle row seat clanking is as designed... | I have the new 7 seat model x. Manual flat folding middle row. While sitting in the middle row if I rock back and forth to simulate accelerating and braking I hear a clanking noise. They told me it is how the car is designed and it is the locking mechanism that is making the noise and there is nothing they can do at this time. Has anyone had this issue? I had taken the car in earlier for the middle row not bolted down all the way and wobbled and squeak. After they tightened the seats the clank is still there. Edit: link to YouTube for noise Noise when rocking the seat https: youtu.be OYfy6Kbx7HE Noise when just purely pushing seat back and forth https: youtu.be EgU1dpV2FNQ noise while driving https: www.youtube.com watch?v=szZPojHEMEM& t= Edit2: I have escalated this and provided them with the videos I made. I ll see what happens next.. this was only 1 problem out of 13 I found. The others are being taken cared of right now. Delivered dec23 2017. Edit3: They are replacing my seats! | 2018-01-11 23:01:55 | 30 | I have 7 seaters model X and have been having same issue on the same place. I noticed that if I move the middle seats forward a little then the clanking noise is gone. | 2018-01-12 00:32:24 | 6 | Tesla Noise Concerns | 20,384 |
New Autopilot update allowed me to go 90mph on a 55mph local road | There is a recently constructed road near my house and I decided to test the new autopilot update on this road and some others. When I got to this one it wouldn t detect a speed limit for awhile making me go 40mph. But something happened after I disabled and reenabled it it let me pick any speed I wanted! I set it as high as I could to test (only for half a second it never got above 65mph) but sure enough the Tesla allowed me to go 90mph on a local road! Tesla has some work to do apparently. Edit: Cmon guys don t be the subreddit that downvotes legitimate problems. I want this to work as much as you do. | 2017-05-12 04:23:12 | 34 | Reckless driving ftw | 2017-05-12 04:43:17 | 13 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 13,772 |
Tidal on Tesla! | Super excited for this announcement. Hopefully the UI is better than the Spotify integration. Anyone have a guess on when we ll see it? | 2020-09-22 23:26:09 | 48 | No Carplay or android auto... but we get fucking Tidal? Are you shitting me? | 2020-09-23 04:12:12 | 26 | Spotify Integration Analysis | 21,168 |
Free Supercharging on all Inventory Models S & X | In addition to this morning price changes to S & X Tesla sweetened the deal on existing inventory vehicles of S & X. They are now offering Free Supercharging on all these models. I am assuming it is for the life of the vehicle like they had before. & #x200B [https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?distance=200& arrangeby=plh& zip=18102& range=0](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?distance=200& arrangeby=plh& zip=18102& range=0) | 2019-05-21 14:55:15 | 161 | Incoming refresh.... | 2019-05-21 15:16:26 | 70 | Tesla Referral Program Issues | 6,938 |
Friday and still no 8.0 | Any other owners dealing with this tragedy? | 2016-09-23 15:41:43 | 14 | I check my phone two or three times every evening hoping for the Software Update is Available notification. So far... nothing. And it s harder to read the phone through the blurriness of my tears. | 2016-09-23 15:57:48 | 14 | Tesla Software Updates Overview | 6,970 |
Tesla should open config to all and harvest data for ramp up logistics. | Yes I know plenty of us will constantly change ours but saved configs would be a large enough data set to show general trends in demand by feature and option. Even with some fuzziness that is incredibly valuable data that could help it improve the logistics of its ramp up. | 2017-07-30 05:31:42 | 5 | This is what the estimator tool is for and why you can save a preference. It will help with production planning and config invite wave planning. | 2017-07-30 05:56:22 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 20,309 |
Cooling a burned Tesla (EV) | A Tesla Model S caught fire today after colliding with a tree in Tyrol Austria (driver survived). The interesting aspect of the [report \(in German\)](https: tirol.orf.at stories 3015765 ) is that the (volunteer) fire department there now has a modified [water tight container](https: oekastatic.orf.at mims 2019 40 29 crops w=1280 q=70 r=1 320993_bigpicture_100929_zom_3728-002.jpg?s=00bc6515cb2fe7418a696307fac5779a7741aaa6) to cool the EV s battery preventing a fire to start again later. Also shows that EVs are now common enough to warrant such equipment. | 2019-10-04 18:56:13 | 142 | Glad to know driver survived. Also this definitely is not how to release [Cthulhu Easter egg](https: twitter.com Tesla status 1179792045088620551?s=19). | 2019-10-04 19:01:29 | 84 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 4,158 |
With the Model 3 being a slightly smaller Model S with all the same creature comforts and technology why would anyone buy a Model S? | Any perks the S has over the 3 are marginal at best. Is it now just about paying $70K to get a Tesla before 2020 where Model 3 delivery estimates now are? | 2016-04-01 23:47:59 | 5 | interior room. 3 looks a little cramped by comparison. | 2016-04-01 23:57:50 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 23,833 |
fanboy for years - on fire for days | Hi r teslamotors I am reading and following a lot there is about Tesla and Elon in general since the first Model S became available. I am so convinced that this company has started the future that I discuss electric mobility whenever I can using Tesla as an example of how it should be done. I also admit that I always shout out the name of the company whenever I see one of the cars and that I once or twice pressed my nose on the windows of a Tesla store. Until last week... I decided to use my holidays to visit a good friend living in Norway halfway between Oslo and Trondheim with a two day stay over in Oslo. So some weeks ago I booked a flight rented a room in Oslo and... Needed a car to drive up to the friend... Some research revealed a page where you can rent cars from private owners. Great because it could be cheaper and you can find a special car... Wait a second... Maybe... No... No one would... And so the giggling like a little girl began. I found dozens of Teslas to rent. S X 90s 85s with P with D you name it. I just had to choose one. And I did: a dark 2015 Model S 90D with ALL the extras for a great price. So last Saturday I flew up to Oslo and had two great days in in the city. And let me tell you... The amount of Teslas and electric vehicles in general is amazing. Oslo seems to be a test area for e-mobility. Electric cars can use bus lanes can be charged everywhere (I am not sure but I think it s even free) and as I found out are hugely (not bigly) subsidized by the state. And so the giggling continued. And then came Monday. The day I would get the car... No. A glimpse into the future. Communication with the owner was flawless and so I got the fob at 10 am and the giggling was replaced by tears of joy. First tentative touches on the huge screen of James and going through each and every setting while selecting all the unnecessary options I read so much about. Then the charging cable into the frunk the destination into the navigation system right foot on the braking paddle D on the gear selection and of I went on a 950 km test drive through the beautiful rural landscape of Norway. It was an awesome experience. Of course there are some things that show that this is a relatively young company. Like the loose buttons on the steering wheel some details at the doors that don t fit the placement of storage possibilities and some things in the navigation software and radio that could be better. But there are these other things that show that this is a relatively young company. Like the amazing thing that should not be called autopilot and changes lane on the highway. Or the regeneration of break energy. Or even the humongous display in the center console. All in all this has been a great experience and an even better trip. Unfortunately I will not be able to buy an S or even an X within the next years. But I hope for the 3 and I hope that I will be able to rent an S or an X for one of my next holidays. Not as easy in Germany as it is in Norway. Write a comment if you are interested in some pictures or details of the trip. Or reply with your experience from the first time you were driving a Tesla. All the best me | 2017-07-02 23:16:47 | 37 | Ok I ll bite. Post pictures :) | 2017-07-02 23:29:34 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 25,372 |
NEMA 14-50 wiring. Is this 8 or 6 AWG? | Can anyone confirm if the wiring (for NEMA 14-50 outlet) shown in the link 8 gauge or 6 gauge wire? https: www.dropbox.com s 1vq00fq3bfoylop wire.jpeg | 2016-12-25 12:21:40 | 6 | Should say on the jacket of the wire either the black jacket or each individual conductor or both. It might say awg. Do NOT hook a 14-50 up to 8 awg wire. Also are there 3 or 4 conductors in there? Do I see a light blue one in the right? That would be weird but I can t tell what else it would be. I would have guessed 6-3 with ground but then it should be green and the gnd would likely be smaller. It s hard to tell from your picture. Do you have an electrician doing this work? | 2016-12-25 12:47:15 | 8 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 13,550 |
How many cars do you expect that Tesla sold and delivered this quarter? My guess. | Simple mathematics give me a SUSTAINED SALES even in a quarter nobody expects a profit. 16 ships to China and Europe all of them SOLD OUT (and many more ships in backlog) at an average of 3000 cars per ship (some more others less) = 48 000 high end 3 s + US CA in January February = 12 250 (InsideEV) + 18 000 (March my guess) = 30 250 + 8000 S X = total of 86 250 cars. 03 maybe even more than 18 000 as production at 6000 to 7000 per week (Bloomberg) is entirely directed to the US CA market. If you ask me that s really promising and far better than i initially thought. | 2019-03-25 16:09:26 | 9 | Deliveries same as last quarter. Additional production number (about 25% more model 3 in Q1 19 ) will in transit. | 2019-03-25 16:13:01 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 8,415 |
Are the Gemini wheels considered aero wheels ? | I m configuring my Model Y (yay!!) and trying to decide on wheels. I really like the look of the upgraded induction wheels but highway efficiency range is very important to me. Do we actually know that the Gemini wheels are more aero than the induction? I know that there have been tests of the Model 3 s aero wheels and they actually show a pretty significant benefit. | 2020-05-30 12:20:33 | 64 | Slightly related: I know smaller wheels ~~offer better efficiency~~ allow you to travel farther on the same amount of charge compared to larger wheels (all other conditions being identical) but are there any functional advantages that larger wheels have? I know some people like the aesthetics better but those aside what would be a reason to prefer larger wheels? EDIT: More specific wording thanks to u jedi2155 | 2020-05-30 12:47:02 | 17 | Model Y Wheel Options | 2,193 |
A r TeslaMotors Update (Long) | ####We ve hit **700 000 subscribers!** This just so happened to coincide with an update we were going to share. We ll be at a million in the blink of an eye! You may have noticed in the past couple months a rapid increase in the number of generally lower quality posts. This has occurred for a few reasons. First thing people should know is that the mod team *constantly* discusses the flow of posts experiences and general quality of submissions. We listen to feedback that comes into mod mail (or what we monitor in comments). First due to initial complaints we had removed the minimum text requirement for text posts. We do listen and try things to see how it goes . We do this often without always sharing these little details because we want the change of that flow based on what we adjusted to occur naturally. What we mean by this is... if we announce we re removing the text limit... well... you re going to see a LOT of them. And that s the type of stuff we try to avoid. Second and some of you may have recognized this or not but we also started to allow basic question posts. Usually if a post was a clear simple question auto mod would defer them to our daily threads where Q& A happens. For this one we decided to let the votes do the work we see how it goes and explains why you see them much more often. The [daily threads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=author%3AAutoModerator+title%3A%22Discussion%22& restrict_sr=on& include_over_18=on& sort=new& t=all& utm_source=reddit& utm_medium=usertext& utm_name=teslamotors& utm_content=t3_hcj0w5) will often have between 50-200 comments daily depending on recent news or not. Also remember it is sorted by New so if your questions don t get a response simply make a new comment and it ll show up top again for someone to see. Also Discord is an option as well. Third and of some fault of our own we happened to have these changes in effect before Model Y deliveries began. This is important because if anyone remembers what the sub was like when Model 3 started delivering... well let s just say it was impossible to find the good quality posts through the noise of delivery questions experiences pictures being posted etc. Allowing more posts in general was something we wanted to allow to ensure the fresh content stayed during COVID as well. r TeslaLounge has grown to nearly 20 000 subscribers now and grew to become the place where people can share their Tesla story without the concern that a post would be removed as a repost or other reasons. From delivery posts pictures experiences questions it is great along side r TeslaMotors for the more personal feel. **We have daily threads posted every day for Q& A as well.** Sometimes (depending on how active things are) we will remove questions that have been answered by the community in a thread that really only help that individuals specific situation but and may not help a larger number of people. Some of you who have been here a while knows that it s been a challenge finding a great middle ground growing from 50k up to 700k along with hundreds of thousands of new owners. With investor specific posts being shifted with the rise of r TeslaInvestorsClub some of the mod team departing and us picking up new awesome team members and with all of this we ve found the toxicity that once existed has mostly dissipated. We know there is still some which we do our best to address but if you were familiar with where it used to be (with the things that existed noted above) it s a LOT better from our side. **The point of this post**. Sorry some context was needed. Despite the numerous changes and growth we re going to have to start being a little more strict based on the way we used to be when Model 3 was getting delivered. It can get unwieldy and what we find is that many posts don t help many others but really only help the individual. And this is good depending on what it is but we need to put that line in the sand again after we kind of made it fade when we removed some limits before. Another mod suggested a Weekly Delivery Ownership thread where purchase experiences can go while keeping it in r TeslaMotors. So folks don t have to go elsewhere for that type of stuff. We understand people are excited or frustrated and want a place to share or vent and we don t want to seem like we re removing negative posts. We get accused of it all the time but that s not how we work. There are many other reasons behind removals and if you have a particular issue with your post reach out to modmail and state your case you d be surprised how many things we approve if people ask and explain their train of thought. So do you think a weekly thread for those things would be beneficial? We think it would help with the flow of post quality as well and the amount of professional vs. personal when it comes to news and articles about Tesla. That about sums it up nothing is drastically changing but we wanted to let you know it s something we keep a close eye on and we always try to find a balance to make the most people happy. You won t make everyone happy but we can do our best because we aren t a small community anymore and we hope that people who are upset by these changes can understand that while we don t like doing it it s necessary for our sanity for the majority of subscriber happiness and just needed because of the growth. And we know the sentiment will be different for those who sort by new and who don t. If you have a particular question about a post remember we are all reachable through [modmail](https: www.reddit.com message compose?to=%2Fr%2Fteslamotors) so ping us there for a specific issue and we can keep this thread focused on general feedback. We always welcome feedback good or bad. We are not perfect (obviously) but we re here to listen. The worst thing you an do is assume something when it comes to how we do things so just ask us. If you have any other suggestions on how we present threads resources the wiki the look the recurring threads... just anything. Let us know and we ll talk through it. \- Your r TeslaMotors Mod Team u 110110 u rcnfive u WhiskeySauer u majesticjg u Matty10101 u cookingboy Edit: We ve made adjustments to our Rules page to reflect a few of these adjustments. Edit 2: Mods chatted we re going to allow photo video posts and more questions to see how things go since more delivery new owner posts will be in our weekly threads. Edit 3: We tried weekly threads and determined it made sense to simplify and unify our daily threads to reduce the number of auto-threads created. | 2020-06-21 19:02:06 | 86 | No direct criticism to anything but please don t try to shift everything to r TeslaLounge and destroy the main subreddit like r SpaceX did | 2020-06-21 20:06:51 | 54 | Growth and Moderation of r/teslamotors | 1,015 |
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