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9sux6m | [Discussion] What s next for EAP FSD? | With the release of Nav on Autopilot we have seen a significant upgrade on capabilities to EAP. With validation of the net being conducted with the fleet we should shortly see the confirmation-less lane changes come into affect. After this... what do you believe will be the next major functionality we have to look forward to and why? Laneless autopilot? Traffic light traffic reading and adherence? Intersection management? Perhaps we won t receive another major feature until HW 3.0 comes into affect? | rhino_driver | 2018-10-31 02:52:17 | 39 | e8rrkny | Smart Summon. They re already teased Summon will start using cameras instead of only the parking ultrasonics and Smart Summon Snaking summon or Summon+ depending on what you call it is almost as old as the Silky Smooth AP promises that were finally fulfilled last year. Incremental improvements always but next big is probably a major redesign of the entire Summon concept. | mark-five | 2018-10-31 04:06:44 | 12 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9sux6m | [Discussion] What s next for EAP FSD? | With the release of Nav on Autopilot we have seen a significant upgrade on capabilities to EAP. With validation of the net being conducted with the fleet we should shortly see the confirmation-less lane changes come into affect. After this... what do you believe will be the next major functionality we have to look forward to and why? Laneless autopilot? Traffic light traffic reading and adherence? Intersection management? Perhaps we won t receive another major feature until HW 3.0 comes into affect? | rhino_driver | 2018-10-31 02:52:17 | 39 | e8rses4 | Tesla s autopilot roadmap https: www.tesla.com autopilot. All that s left for enhanced autopilot is smart summon (and automatic nav on autopilot). My guess for the first fsd feature will be self parking since it s a low speed environment and might not need government approval and it s an extension of smart summon. | hkibad | 2018-10-31 04:24:06 | 10 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9sux6m | [Discussion] What s next for EAP FSD? | With the release of Nav on Autopilot we have seen a significant upgrade on capabilities to EAP. With validation of the net being conducted with the fleet we should shortly see the confirmation-less lane changes come into affect. After this... what do you believe will be the next major functionality we have to look forward to and why? Laneless autopilot? Traffic light traffic reading and adherence? Intersection management? Perhaps we won t receive another major feature until HW 3.0 comes into affect? | rhino_driver | 2018-10-31 02:52:17 | 39 | e8ro4p7 | I guess some cars are running around testing HW 3.0. Some of the things learned there might be able to be applied to the software version running HW 2.0 for further improve EAP. Probably what I am expecting is slow improvement in EAP not sure about new features. FSD will require HW 3.0 but I expect EAP to keep improving. & #x200B EDIT:: The TeslaDaily podcast with Jimmy\_d is well worth a listen. [Interview: Neural Networks & Autopilot V9 With Jimmy\_d (10.29.18)](https: www.listennotes.com podcasts tesla-daily-tesla interview-neural-networks-5ibkIB3dx27 ) ## | M3FanOZ | 2018-10-31 03:04:31 | 7 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9sux6m | [Discussion] What s next for EAP FSD? | With the release of Nav on Autopilot we have seen a significant upgrade on capabilities to EAP. With validation of the net being conducted with the fleet we should shortly see the confirmation-less lane changes come into affect. After this... what do you believe will be the next major functionality we have to look forward to and why? Laneless autopilot? Traffic light traffic reading and adherence? Intersection management? Perhaps we won t receive another major feature until HW 3.0 comes into affect? | rhino_driver | 2018-10-31 02:52:17 | 39 | e8rubnt | Smart summon(car gets to you from wherever you are from the parking lot) is a promised feature part of EAP. Much bigger step toward compared to On Ramp Off Ramp Imo becoz the car needs to navigate driverless and might need some additional approval from regulators to release this OTA unlike Nav on AP where it already had large sets of data to be trained. Until we see Smart summon we can t see FSD anywhere in sight | c0smicdirt | 2018-10-31 05:07:41 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9e1p0t | [Discussion] What s the deal with LTE being super unreliable? | Does anybody have an explanation for why LTE seems so unavailable much of the time? Often times I ll get in the car and it will have a slash thorough it but then come back just fine after getting moving. Sometimes it will be fine for a while and then just randomly go unavailable while driving. Sometimes it will be available (5 bars) and then immediately unavailable in the exact same spot. It almost always it comes back on it s own eventually. Definitely not related to single strength - I m in the Bay Area. This issue is generally benign unless I m trying to check car status in the app which obviously won t work if LTE s on holiday. https: imgur.com a jOWpU6K | spasewalkr | 2018-09-08 04:42:22 | 24 | e5lio74 | Let s see if we can isolate all areas where the problem can be. 1. LTE modem is not modern powerful enough? Specs were discussed [here](https: model3ownersclub.com threads lte-modem-specs-are-here.7218 ). This is 2x2 antenna capable of theoretical 300mbps. Part can be replaced by Tesla. 2. At& t embedded sim card is faulty? Sim can be replaced by Tesla. 3. At& t cellular network reception is spotty? Depends on your area. Nothing can be done by you. Only At& t can fix their network issues. 4. Software glitch in the LTE modem? This is possible. Can be fixed by Tesla with a software update. | holybreath | 2018-09-08 05:03:56 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9e1p0t | [Discussion] What s the deal with LTE being super unreliable? | Does anybody have an explanation for why LTE seems so unavailable much of the time? Often times I ll get in the car and it will have a slash thorough it but then come back just fine after getting moving. Sometimes it will be fine for a while and then just randomly go unavailable while driving. Sometimes it will be available (5 bars) and then immediately unavailable in the exact same spot. It almost always it comes back on it s own eventually. Definitely not related to single strength - I m in the Bay Area. This issue is generally benign unless I m trying to check car status in the app which obviously won t work if LTE s on holiday. https: imgur.com a jOWpU6K | spasewalkr | 2018-09-08 04:42:22 | 24 | e5lmnit | Got any friends with an AT& T phone? Perhaps they can do a side-by-side test with the car. Know anyone else with a Tesla? (or perhaps you can approach someone at a supercharger area) Same test. That should narrow down where the problem is. | __________z_________ | 2018-09-08 06:32:48 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02gn46 | I don t have a Tesla yet but I ve got a VIN # and the GF has a Volt. I was “Up North” for Memorial Day and a conversation started about electric cars. It was a great convo until a family friend (an engineer) asked “why don t they just put a generator on the wheel so that when it goes forward it just keeps generating electricity?” My answer: “they do that s a key part of how you slow down and why these thing get such great mileage in the city.” His response: “no I mean make the generator spin all the time. That way you d never need to stop. I bet the government would never let that happen.” I asked him what kind of engineer he was and he just looked at me strangely. | QW1Q | 2018-06-04 00:55:59 | 110 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e0271c1 | “Can you open the hood I want to see the motor?” | Blind_at_Sea | 2018-06-03 21:56:42 | 93 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e027f36 | Did you install that laptop yourself? - about the Model 3 display | kkal82 | 2018-06-03 22:03:45 | 78 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e0280sl | Not mine but when I was driving a buddies Model S an old guy at the gas station asked if I can drive it in the rain safely. | Fugner | 2018-06-03 22:14:54 | 70 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e028fj0 | After I tell them it s electric... “What kind of gas does it take? Premium? Etc”. | ShinjukuWard | 2018-06-03 22:22:34 | 65 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02cqnq | A few I have been asked.... “Oh it s electric? So what kind of gas mileage does it get?” “Does that come in an automatic or manual transmission?” “How many cylinders does the engine have?” then after explaining it doesn t have a gas engine but 2 electric motors. “Wait what do you mean it doesn t have an engine? It s got to have an engine. Does it have something weird like only 2 cylinders?” “How many gears?” I answer “only 1”. Response “that s not possible”. | jorobsand | 2018-06-03 23:44:05 | 54 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02alhd | Several which always concern me and remind me that without real advertising the masses have a very distorted view of EVs... How often do you need to put in new batteries? \(As if it was like a toy car without rechargeable ones\). Likely a result of the Mercedes AA Class [https: www.nbc.com saturday\-night\-live video new\-mercedes 3021121](https: www.nbc.com saturday-night-live video new-mercedes 3021121) How often does the rechargeable battery need to be replaced...sounds like it would be very expensive...thus not really cheaper than gas? How do you manage without gas doesn t it only go 30 miles? Where do you charge if you are out and need more charge \(always have to explain leaving home on a full charge means it is unlikely you need to charge again locally and then for long trips what superchargers are and how many exist. Basically the entire EV concept is still very new to many It is going to take a lot of education to bring people around \(or test drives as the cars are really fun\). Being that it is different it sounds like some new complicated thing that is difficult when compared to just going to the gas station. The reality is that once I got my 3 a couple months ago I look back and wonder how I was ever concerned. Nobody I know would think twice about charging a phone as being difficult and the car is no different. | jason68030 | 2018-06-03 23:02:30 | 41 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02lvky | Who makes Tesla? followed by Yeah but who REALLY makes Tesla? (Questions from people who think Tesla is a brand of an automotive manufacturer rather than their own manufacturer. I have been asked these questions several times) | composer314 | 2018-06-04 02:27:12 | 35 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02bu4w | “So when I push on the pedal (accelerator) what will it do?” Same as every car? It goes? | dubsteponmycat | 2018-06-03 23:26:25 | 34 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02d89q | I was literally in my parking garage plugged into a charging spot really friendly person was asking me questions about what it s like to own an electric car. And she asked how I charge on road trips and I gave a quick demo of the Trip Planner. Then she asked “so you have to drive to one of those stations to charge your car for work?” “No *point at charger* I m charging right here it s a 30 second trip to a charger rather than going to a gas station.... and most days I can charge at work anyway if I want to save a few bucks” She still looked a little confused. It s typical of other ICE owners I ve talked to though — most are deeply focused on the concept of gas stations on road trips and forget that for daily driving an EV means you have your own gas station at home. | chillaban | 2018-06-03 23:53:44 | 34 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e029gxg | What if you loose your key card - same shiet happens when you loose your Dino keys. | inspron2 | 2018-06-03 22:41:41 | 28 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02bnnm | Can I sit in the frunk? | Chex_Mix | 2018-06-03 23:22:58 | 24 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02m81o | Barista: How s it on gas? Me: Ah good! It doesn t use any! | Peaviner | 2018-06-04 02:32:59 | 19 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02n0mq | So is the engine pretty strong? Uh the motor puts down some pretty good power yeah. It s all electric so it doesn t have an engine. Oh nice! So how many cylinders is it? ....... | camthehombre | 2018-06-04 02:46:49 | 19 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02ij6d | A funny prank would be to open it then exclaim that someone stole your motor. | hkibad | 2018-06-04 01:29:10 | 17 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02clr7 | “What happens if you plug it in backwards?” | Jddssc121 | 2018-06-03 23:41:24 | 13 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e026zky | “Does it use gas?” Guess it s not too strange but even though I talk about it non-stop guess that s not enough for the average person to understand Tesla. | mechrock | 2018-06-03 21:55:50 | 11 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02et8t | Not Teslas but I sell bicycles including e-bikes and I am astonished how many ask does it charge up as you pedal? Well technically it *can*.... | shaggy99 | 2018-06-04 00:23:20 | 11 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02f00j | It seems like people are still largely very ignorant of EVs especially when it comes to range. Are people amazed when they are told they go hundreds of miles on a single charge? I m rather looking forward to answering these sort of questions. Does it get old answering them over and over? | SleepingLesson | 2018-06-04 00:26:43 | 10 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e03glte | When society collapses and there s no electric grid how will you charge the car ? I didn t blow off the question or discuss the various ways that electricity can be generated more easily than gasoline can. Instead I told him: I won t. I ll kill someone with a Jeep and take that. | Aghast_Cornichon | 2018-06-04 15:21:25 | 10 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e029lqq | “Do you have to plug it in everywhere you go?” | _drew_p_ | 2018-06-03 22:44:09 | 8 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02oo16 | Don t have my Tesla yet but several times people have asked of my LEAF... can you take an extra battery pack with you just in case you run out of power from your main pack? wtf. I used to say sure but the extra pack would cost me about $10 000 and take up my rear seats and trunk area wouldn t it be easier for me to charge it when its low? | jumpybean | 2018-06-04 03:19:14 | 7 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02tmh2 | How can you keep the AC running. Won t the battery drain in 30min. | azntorian | 2018-06-04 05:14:01 | 7 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e03ep9r | Just last week: Why would you want an electric car like that if you can t take it off-road in the mountains? Um my wife has a Toyota Camry that can t be taken off-road in the mountains. It seems to be okay with 99.9999% of her other routes though. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-04 14:51:50 | 7 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02ngwv | “Can you show me the car ‘start up “ lol | Noblenoir | 2018-06-04 02:55:12 | 6 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e03d45a | Aren t you nervous you ll get stuck in a traffic jam? After some conversation it seemed like he thought the running car + AC etc. would eventually drain the battery while in a traffic jam causing me to be stranded. I just explained that actually moving the car is what really drained the battery and that the car does fine in traffic jams. | [deleted] | 2018-06-04 14:26:23 | 6 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e03g8gq | What do you do when you run of power? Basically the same thing you do when you run out of gas. | Kri77777 | 2018-06-04 15:15:39 | 6 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e02t28s | It gets bugs on the front just like mine can you wash it? | duke_of_alinor | 2018-06-04 04:59:19 | 5 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e035e2m | My MIL wanted to know if we can drive through puddles without being electrocuted. Big puddles to be fair. | Dontblinkdoc | 2018-06-04 11:49:03 | 5 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8obxj6 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? | Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | YesRocketScience | 2018-06-03 21:38:33 | 86 | e03n045 | Neighbors 8 year old kid... Is that car plugged in!??! . Can I plug it in? .. ever since.. he s been raving about the car you plug in... just about the plug in.. knows nothing about the driving. | Eazz_Madpath | 2018-06-04 16:56:49 | 5 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8wt67d | [Discussion] What s the “best” way to suggest features to Tesla? | While it s an already incredible car there are many opportunities for the M3 (and the rest of the fleet) to be better. Is there a Tesla-endorsed (officially or unofficially) way for owners to submit feature requests and suggestions? Some of my suggestions include: * On the nav include exit numbers in the displayed turn-by-turn directions (the absence of this is *incredibly annoying*) * Blind spot indicators could be a lot more obvious useful if certain UI changes were made * Auto-wipers rain sensitivity should be adjustable * Individual drivers settings (steering wheel mirrors seats etc.) should be auto-applied depending on the specific phone key that opens the car when the driver sits down * On radio media: include a stop button so the radio can be turned off (the only way to do it now is to mute the sound or switch to another source) * Actually add the calendar app into the UI so drivers can select their next appointment rather than Navigate to... by voice or typing ...And if any of these are already available and I just haven t discovered them yet I d welcome knowing so feel free to pillory me for the newbie I am! | high-ho | 2018-07-07 13:30:09 | 31 | e1y6lst | Tweet the Tesla CEO directly. @elonmusk | DustyContempt | 2018-07-07 13:49:29 | 17 | Tesla companion app features |
8jfokl | [Discussion] What s up with all the wraps?!? | Am I missing something here? I m not much of a car guy so I could easily be missing something. I ve seen a bazillion posts on this sub about getting your Tesla wrapped. From what I can tell it s mostly for pant protection rather than getting a sick ass tiger on the side of your Model S 3 or X. What I seem to be missing here is... why? When I Google the cost of getting your car painted it comes up as like... [$1 300](https: www.google.com search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+have+a+car+painted& rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS785US785& oq=how+& aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i59j69i65j0j69i65.1470j0j7& sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8). However when I look at how much getting JUST the front of your car wrapped with XPEL Ultimate is it looks like it s [$1 700](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqze7 model_3_accessories_review_san_diego_group_buy ). So wouldn t it be better to hope nothing bad happens and then if it does and it s bad enough to warrant a re\-paint to just pay to have your whole car repainted then? Or is there something I m missing here where places that apply the XPEL have a lifetime guarantee to fix any paint issues or something? I feel like this is something more open to discussion than a simple answer btw. I assume people have different reasons for why they decided on getting a wrap or not. | laioren | 2018-05-14 20:40:33 | 41 | dyzapsl | People think of it like putting a nice phone in a case. | ice__nine | 2018-05-14 20:57:41 | 25 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8jfokl | [Discussion] What s up with all the wraps?!? | Am I missing something here? I m not much of a car guy so I could easily be missing something. I ve seen a bazillion posts on this sub about getting your Tesla wrapped. From what I can tell it s mostly for pant protection rather than getting a sick ass tiger on the side of your Model S 3 or X. What I seem to be missing here is... why? When I Google the cost of getting your car painted it comes up as like... [$1 300](https: www.google.com search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+have+a+car+painted& rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS785US785& oq=how+& aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i59j69i65j0j69i65.1470j0j7& sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8). However when I look at how much getting JUST the front of your car wrapped with XPEL Ultimate is it looks like it s [$1 700](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqze7 model_3_accessories_review_san_diego_group_buy ). So wouldn t it be better to hope nothing bad happens and then if it does and it s bad enough to warrant a re\-paint to just pay to have your whole car repainted then? Or is there something I m missing here where places that apply the XPEL have a lifetime guarantee to fix any paint issues or something? I feel like this is something more open to discussion than a simple answer btw. I assume people have different reasons for why they decided on getting a wrap or not. | laioren | 2018-05-14 20:40:33 | 41 | dyzadqg | an aftermarket paint job will never be as good (durable) as the factory one unless you pay a lot more than 1300$. Used cars with non-factory paint are also worth less. This may be significant on a used 3yr old $50k car. | iiixii | 2018-05-14 20:52:35 | 14 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8jfokl | [Discussion] What s up with all the wraps?!? | Am I missing something here? I m not much of a car guy so I could easily be missing something. I ve seen a bazillion posts on this sub about getting your Tesla wrapped. From what I can tell it s mostly for pant protection rather than getting a sick ass tiger on the side of your Model S 3 or X. What I seem to be missing here is... why? When I Google the cost of getting your car painted it comes up as like... [$1 300](https: www.google.com search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+have+a+car+painted& rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS785US785& oq=how+& aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i59j69i65j0j69i65.1470j0j7& sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8). However when I look at how much getting JUST the front of your car wrapped with XPEL Ultimate is it looks like it s [$1 700](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqze7 model_3_accessories_review_san_diego_group_buy ). So wouldn t it be better to hope nothing bad happens and then if it does and it s bad enough to warrant a re\-paint to just pay to have your whole car repainted then? Or is there something I m missing here where places that apply the XPEL have a lifetime guarantee to fix any paint issues or something? I feel like this is something more open to discussion than a simple answer btw. I assume people have different reasons for why they decided on getting a wrap or not. | laioren | 2018-05-14 20:40:33 | 41 | dyzd8ph | Lol a $1300 paint job. No just no. | Kaelang | 2018-05-14 21:37:13 | 14 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8jfokl | [Discussion] What s up with all the wraps?!? | Am I missing something here? I m not much of a car guy so I could easily be missing something. I ve seen a bazillion posts on this sub about getting your Tesla wrapped. From what I can tell it s mostly for pant protection rather than getting a sick ass tiger on the side of your Model S 3 or X. What I seem to be missing here is... why? When I Google the cost of getting your car painted it comes up as like... [$1 300](https: www.google.com search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+have+a+car+painted& rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS785US785& oq=how+& aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i59j69i65j0j69i65.1470j0j7& sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8). However when I look at how much getting JUST the front of your car wrapped with XPEL Ultimate is it looks like it s [$1 700](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqze7 model_3_accessories_review_san_diego_group_buy ). So wouldn t it be better to hope nothing bad happens and then if it does and it s bad enough to warrant a re\-paint to just pay to have your whole car repainted then? Or is there something I m missing here where places that apply the XPEL have a lifetime guarantee to fix any paint issues or something? I feel like this is something more open to discussion than a simple answer btw. I assume people have different reasons for why they decided on getting a wrap or not. | laioren | 2018-05-14 20:40:33 | 41 | dyzb1s6 | A new factory quality paint job is absolutely not $1500. It ll cost $1500 just to have a professional remove all the trim pieces and panels from the car before painting it to get a quality job done. | ENrgStar | 2018-05-14 21:02:48 | 11 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8jfokl | [Discussion] What s up with all the wraps?!? | Am I missing something here? I m not much of a car guy so I could easily be missing something. I ve seen a bazillion posts on this sub about getting your Tesla wrapped. From what I can tell it s mostly for pant protection rather than getting a sick ass tiger on the side of your Model S 3 or X. What I seem to be missing here is... why? When I Google the cost of getting your car painted it comes up as like... [$1 300](https: www.google.com search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+have+a+car+painted& rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS785US785& oq=how+& aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i59j69i65j0j69i65.1470j0j7& sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8). However when I look at how much getting JUST the front of your car wrapped with XPEL Ultimate is it looks like it s [$1 700](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqze7 model_3_accessories_review_san_diego_group_buy ). So wouldn t it be better to hope nothing bad happens and then if it does and it s bad enough to warrant a re\-paint to just pay to have your whole car repainted then? Or is there something I m missing here where places that apply the XPEL have a lifetime guarantee to fix any paint issues or something? I feel like this is something more open to discussion than a simple answer btw. I assume people have different reasons for why they decided on getting a wrap or not. | laioren | 2018-05-14 20:40:33 | 41 | dyza6vn | Its really that idea of security in case something does happen. An extra few thousand dollars for someone who just spent a significant amount on a model s or x is a small price to get that feeling of security (especially for XPEL wraps). In addition usually people who wrap their car in like 3M vinyl to achieve a colour change or something similar aren t just looking for that protection but a degree of personalisation. Debatably it could also increase resale value as its the original paint undamaged. The benefit is that these kinds of protection methods can prevent or minimise damage in such examples as small stones chipping the paint when on the freeway small scratch damage etc. Really just reduces that overall wear and tear you would otherwise experience | jojoFreud | 2018-05-14 20:49:38 | 7 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8jfokl | [Discussion] What s up with all the wraps?!? | Am I missing something here? I m not much of a car guy so I could easily be missing something. I ve seen a bazillion posts on this sub about getting your Tesla wrapped. From what I can tell it s mostly for pant protection rather than getting a sick ass tiger on the side of your Model S 3 or X. What I seem to be missing here is... why? When I Google the cost of getting your car painted it comes up as like... [$1 300](https: www.google.com search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+have+a+car+painted& rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS785US785& oq=how+& aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i59j69i65j0j69i65.1470j0j7& sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8). However when I look at how much getting JUST the front of your car wrapped with XPEL Ultimate is it looks like it s [$1 700](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqze7 model_3_accessories_review_san_diego_group_buy ). So wouldn t it be better to hope nothing bad happens and then if it does and it s bad enough to warrant a re\-paint to just pay to have your whole car repainted then? Or is there something I m missing here where places that apply the XPEL have a lifetime guarantee to fix any paint issues or something? I feel like this is something more open to discussion than a simple answer btw. I assume people have different reasons for why they decided on getting a wrap or not. | laioren | 2018-05-14 20:40:33 | 41 | dyz9you | Well if you have the money to buy an expensive car (60 to 130k) $1500 is a small percent more. And people want more choice of colors than Tesla offers. Also rage for distinction | pmsyyz | 2018-05-14 20:46:10 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8jfokl | [Discussion] What s up with all the wraps?!? | Am I missing something here? I m not much of a car guy so I could easily be missing something. I ve seen a bazillion posts on this sub about getting your Tesla wrapped. From what I can tell it s mostly for pant protection rather than getting a sick ass tiger on the side of your Model S 3 or X. What I seem to be missing here is... why? When I Google the cost of getting your car painted it comes up as like... [$1 300](https: www.google.com search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+have+a+car+painted& rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS785US785& oq=how+& aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i59j69i65j0j69i65.1470j0j7& sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8). However when I look at how much getting JUST the front of your car wrapped with XPEL Ultimate is it looks like it s [$1 700](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqze7 model_3_accessories_review_san_diego_group_buy ). So wouldn t it be better to hope nothing bad happens and then if it does and it s bad enough to warrant a re\-paint to just pay to have your whole car repainted then? Or is there something I m missing here where places that apply the XPEL have a lifetime guarantee to fix any paint issues or something? I feel like this is something more open to discussion than a simple answer btw. I assume people have different reasons for why they decided on getting a wrap or not. | laioren | 2018-05-14 20:40:33 | 41 | dyzck2p | I m on my third vehicle with extensive PPF work the Model 3 will be the fourth. Wouldn t leave home without it! | Rev-777 | 2018-05-14 21:26:30 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8jfokl | [Discussion] What s up with all the wraps?!? | Am I missing something here? I m not much of a car guy so I could easily be missing something. I ve seen a bazillion posts on this sub about getting your Tesla wrapped. From what I can tell it s mostly for pant protection rather than getting a sick ass tiger on the side of your Model S 3 or X. What I seem to be missing here is... why? When I Google the cost of getting your car painted it comes up as like... [$1 300](https: www.google.com search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+have+a+car+painted& rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS785US785& oq=how+& aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i59j69i65j0j69i65.1470j0j7& sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8). However when I look at how much getting JUST the front of your car wrapped with XPEL Ultimate is it looks like it s [$1 700](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqze7 model_3_accessories_review_san_diego_group_buy ). So wouldn t it be better to hope nothing bad happens and then if it does and it s bad enough to warrant a re\-paint to just pay to have your whole car repainted then? Or is there something I m missing here where places that apply the XPEL have a lifetime guarantee to fix any paint issues or something? I feel like this is something more open to discussion than a simple answer btw. I assume people have different reasons for why they decided on getting a wrap or not. | laioren | 2018-05-14 20:40:33 | 41 | dz0tzhe | Let s define two separate things. There s **vinyl wrapping** your car which is when the outside of the car gets covered in a non-protective generally more decoratively-colored film. Then there s **protective wrapping** with things like the XPEL you mentioned. Those are two very different things. Vinyl wrapping costs ~$500 (DIY) or $2 400 to $5 000 (you also get what you pay for here) and covers the entire car lasts 5-10 years and in very rare cases may damage the paint underneath. Protective wrapping *can* be done on the whole car but given it s cost it s typically done on the front of the car mirrors and other places where rocks are likely to hit it s typically clear and should last several years and not do any damage to the paint underneath. You can get your car painted for $1 300. Or you can get it painted right for closer to $8 000. You get what you pay for. Also for a wrap your car is gone for the day. For a proper paint job your car is likely gone for a week. As for why protective wraps ensure that the car looks good for longer which is important to some people. Vinyl wraps are likely because the color choices from Tesla are bland and kinda shit. I was considering wrapping the Model 3 if I got it but after visiting the dealership over the weekend and seeing the colors in-person (there s like 5 other Teslas in my entire town mostly Model Ss one red Model 3 and only one Model X in blue and it s always super dirty none in the metallic grey) I ll likely be going with the blue and seeing how well it details and DIYing my own chrome delete. And if later down the road I don t like the look of it I ll have the option of wrapping it in all kinds of colors that Tesla doesn t offer. If not I ve had my eyes on the 3M matte metallic blue. | Mike312 | 2018-05-15 16:32:18 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
a3g9pl | [Discussion] What s up with the European Model 3 price differences? Something seems off but maybe the community here can help set me straight? | So I was really happy and exited about all the new information that came out today regarding the prices for Model 3 in Europe. However I live in Sweden and just read an article about the prices that didn t make me too happy. According to the information I ve read on this subreddit so far these are the European prices for the Long Range All Wheel Drive Model 3 that have been revealed in different countries: * € 58 300 in Austria (according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3b5jh nl_price_model_3_58_800_for_awd_69_700_for )) * € 57 900 in Germany (according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3b5jh nl_price_model_3_58_800_for_awd_69_700_for )) * € 58 800 in the Netherlands(according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3b5jh nl_price_model_3_58_800_for_awd_69_700_for )) * € 59 500 in France (according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3chg3 prices_in_france_revealed_59_500_euros_for_awd_lr )) * € 48 075 in Norway (coverted from NOK 464 000 according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3bu9n norwegian_prices_lr_is_nok_464k_performance_is )) * € 63 700 in Sweden (converted from SEK 650 200 according to [this article in Swedish](https: www.di.se nyheter klart-sa-mycket-kommer-tesla-model-3-att-kosta-i-sverige )) If you ve seen more price information somewhere (e.g. on the forums) please let me know and I ll add the info to the list above. Now since Norway is outside the EU I can understand that the Norwegian prices might be different for some reason. And I understand that the prices may differ slightly from country to country within the EU too. But why the hell would the **Swedish price be around € 4 000-5 000 higher than the other published prices**? I hope that there is just something I m missing and that one of you can help me out a bit... EDIT: Looks like it is due to VAT rates being different. See a [list here](https: www.ricksteves.com travel-tips money vat-rates-in-europe). | NacMacFeegle | 2018-12-05 20:33:04 | 12 | eb5zpsh | Its VAT (Norway has none on EV s and other benefits) and some line Denmark has one time registration fees where EV s are only at a very lower level and these are before VAT. | RPlasticPirate | 2018-12-05 21:04:43 | 10 | Tesla Challenges in Germany |
a3g9pl | [Discussion] What s up with the European Model 3 price differences? Something seems off but maybe the community here can help set me straight? | So I was really happy and exited about all the new information that came out today regarding the prices for Model 3 in Europe. However I live in Sweden and just read an article about the prices that didn t make me too happy. According to the information I ve read on this subreddit so far these are the European prices for the Long Range All Wheel Drive Model 3 that have been revealed in different countries: * € 58 300 in Austria (according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3b5jh nl_price_model_3_58_800_for_awd_69_700_for )) * € 57 900 in Germany (according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3b5jh nl_price_model_3_58_800_for_awd_69_700_for )) * € 58 800 in the Netherlands(according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3b5jh nl_price_model_3_58_800_for_awd_69_700_for )) * € 59 500 in France (according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3chg3 prices_in_france_revealed_59_500_euros_for_awd_lr )) * € 48 075 in Norway (coverted from NOK 464 000 according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3bu9n norwegian_prices_lr_is_nok_464k_performance_is )) * € 63 700 in Sweden (converted from SEK 650 200 according to [this article in Swedish](https: www.di.se nyheter klart-sa-mycket-kommer-tesla-model-3-att-kosta-i-sverige )) If you ve seen more price information somewhere (e.g. on the forums) please let me know and I ll add the info to the list above. Now since Norway is outside the EU I can understand that the Norwegian prices might be different for some reason. And I understand that the prices may differ slightly from country to country within the EU too. But why the hell would the **Swedish price be around € 4 000-5 000 higher than the other published prices**? I hope that there is just something I m missing and that one of you can help me out a bit... EDIT: Looks like it is due to VAT rates being different. See a [list here](https: www.ricksteves.com travel-tips money vat-rates-in-europe). | NacMacFeegle | 2018-12-05 20:33:04 | 12 | eb77ta3 | The reason the price is higher in Sweden is in part due to our VAT being higher at 25% but also due to manufacturers including a 3 year own car insurance on purchase as standard over here. Meaning I only need to insure the car for theft glass fire traffic (covers other cars if I cause an accident) and so on. All in all it lowers my premium by about 50% for the first 3 years but my deductible goes up a lot. | OfarligGiraffe | 2018-12-06 07:41:38 | 7 | Tesla Challenges in Germany |
a3g9pl | [Discussion] What s up with the European Model 3 price differences? Something seems off but maybe the community here can help set me straight? | So I was really happy and exited about all the new information that came out today regarding the prices for Model 3 in Europe. However I live in Sweden and just read an article about the prices that didn t make me too happy. According to the information I ve read on this subreddit so far these are the European prices for the Long Range All Wheel Drive Model 3 that have been revealed in different countries: * € 58 300 in Austria (according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3b5jh nl_price_model_3_58_800_for_awd_69_700_for )) * € 57 900 in Germany (according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3b5jh nl_price_model_3_58_800_for_awd_69_700_for )) * € 58 800 in the Netherlands(according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3b5jh nl_price_model_3_58_800_for_awd_69_700_for )) * € 59 500 in France (according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3chg3 prices_in_france_revealed_59_500_euros_for_awd_lr )) * € 48 075 in Norway (coverted from NOK 464 000 according to [this thread](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a3bu9n norwegian_prices_lr_is_nok_464k_performance_is )) * € 63 700 in Sweden (converted from SEK 650 200 according to [this article in Swedish](https: www.di.se nyheter klart-sa-mycket-kommer-tesla-model-3-att-kosta-i-sverige )) If you ve seen more price information somewhere (e.g. on the forums) please let me know and I ll add the info to the list above. Now since Norway is outside the EU I can understand that the Norwegian prices might be different for some reason. And I understand that the prices may differ slightly from country to country within the EU too. But why the hell would the **Swedish price be around € 4 000-5 000 higher than the other published prices**? I hope that there is just something I m missing and that one of you can help me out a bit... EDIT: Looks like it is due to VAT rates being different. See a [list here](https: www.ricksteves.com travel-tips money vat-rates-in-europe). | NacMacFeegle | 2018-12-05 20:33:04 | 12 | eb616t4 | Normally in Europe the shown price includes VAT | Jimtonicc | 2018-12-05 21:21:35 | 5 | Tesla Challenges in Germany |
8rwpre | [Discussion] What s your favorite Tesla podcast? | I m looking to add a Tesla news commentary podcast to my lineup. There s nothing in the FAQ or wiki that I could see. I really only have room for one I think with how much time I have for podcast listening so want to make it count. I d lean more towards one with good insight and commentary less entertaining but if it has it all then that s even better. I searched and found [this thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 51rull what_tesla_podcasts_do_you_listen_to_if_any ) with some recommendations which I ll copy below. It s pretty old though. Not sure if the recommendations still stand if any of those guys have lost their touch or if anything out there is newer and better. (It does look like Talking Tesla has taken a long break but is back very recently.) There also appears to be a new [Tesla Daily](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6vbuvn tesla_daily_a_new_tesla_podcast ) podcast from u tesladaily. There s also [Tesla Tidbits](http: teslatidbits.libsyn.com) another daily Tesla podcast. Those are all I could find. If there are others you guys enjoy please post them. Maybe we could even add this to the FAQ wiki. I ll update this top post with recommendations and notes about each one. Previous podcast show notes: I ve seen an explosion in Tesla related podcasts recently. I stopped searching for new ones since I listen to three on a weekly basis. They are the following 1. [Talking Tesla](http: www.talkingtesla.net) - by far my fav. Highly entertaining and highly recommend....ELECTREEEEK!! 2. [The Tesla Show](http: theteslashow.com) - Caleb and Mike over at r theteslashow dive deep into a particular subject every week. Caleb does a really good job researching the subject matter in preparation for each episode. 3. [Ride the Lightning](http: teslapodcast.libsyn.com). Ryan works for IGN and is a Tesla fan boy. He has a hotline where people call in with questions and discussion topics. It s a solo podcast though. I wish he had a cohost. | showmethestudy | 2018-06-18 04:21:22 | 18 | e0uuazc | Here is my review: > 1. Talking Tesla - by far my fav. Highly entertaining and highly recommend....ELECTREEEEK!! Fun to listen to but sometimes annoying with their lack of expertise and getting facts wrong. > 2. The Tesla Show - Caleb and Mike over at r theteslashow My personal favourite. Mike and Caleb play the perfect combo of constructive questions and some cynicism vs researched rebuttals and solid facts. I ve learnt a lot from it. > 3. Ride the Lightning. My go to for in depth information and also its downside. Ryan often spends a LOT of time going over and over the same details or justifying something. The listener calls has some really good nuggets of information in there too. > There also appears to be a new Tesla Daily podcast from u tesladaily My second favourite. Very good from a financial perspective lots of explanations and analysis. He s been quite sporadic in episodes due to work travel and health by each one is worth it. > There s also Tesla Tidbits another daily Tesla podcast. A more commentary on news rather than objective news probably my least favourite. | Mantaup | 2018-06-18 05:04:46 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8rwpre | [Discussion] What s your favorite Tesla podcast? | I m looking to add a Tesla news commentary podcast to my lineup. There s nothing in the FAQ or wiki that I could see. I really only have room for one I think with how much time I have for podcast listening so want to make it count. I d lean more towards one with good insight and commentary less entertaining but if it has it all then that s even better. I searched and found [this thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 51rull what_tesla_podcasts_do_you_listen_to_if_any ) with some recommendations which I ll copy below. It s pretty old though. Not sure if the recommendations still stand if any of those guys have lost their touch or if anything out there is newer and better. (It does look like Talking Tesla has taken a long break but is back very recently.) There also appears to be a new [Tesla Daily](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6vbuvn tesla_daily_a_new_tesla_podcast ) podcast from u tesladaily. There s also [Tesla Tidbits](http: teslatidbits.libsyn.com) another daily Tesla podcast. Those are all I could find. If there are others you guys enjoy please post them. Maybe we could even add this to the FAQ wiki. I ll update this top post with recommendations and notes about each one. Previous podcast show notes: I ve seen an explosion in Tesla related podcasts recently. I stopped searching for new ones since I listen to three on a weekly basis. They are the following 1. [Talking Tesla](http: www.talkingtesla.net) - by far my fav. Highly entertaining and highly recommend....ELECTREEEEK!! 2. [The Tesla Show](http: theteslashow.com) - Caleb and Mike over at r theteslashow dive deep into a particular subject every week. Caleb does a really good job researching the subject matter in preparation for each episode. 3. [Ride the Lightning](http: teslapodcast.libsyn.com). Ryan works for IGN and is a Tesla fan boy. He has a hotline where people call in with questions and discussion topics. It s a solo podcast though. I wish he had a cohost. | showmethestudy | 2018-06-18 04:21:22 | 18 | e0uxrq2 | I like Tesla Daily and I m not even an investor. I like because he digs into issues and gives some interesting perspectives on what the number mean..... It is kind of a counter view to a lot of the FUD that is out there... | M3FanOZ | 2018-06-18 06:44:31 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
89exl1 | [Discussion] What would management schools say about CEO Elon sleeping on the factory floor. Is it a goood or bad sign of leadership. Why no COO and chain of delegation instead. | Wasn t there some ex-Audi executive who was supposed to be the one to bring it to the next level? Is this sleeping on the floor thing bad for morale? | Frowawayduh1 | 2018-04-03 15:26:20 | 12 | dwqmqy4 | I m not a Tesla employee but I do have many years of experience in highly automated robotic processes in biotech manufacturing. My robots were single arm Staubli s which are also used in automotive and other manufacturing fields. If they were off target by a millimeter I had to reprogram them on the spot and then test for perfection. I had 8 levels above me up to CEO (big pharma) and not a single one of them could have assisted technically in any way. My immediate managers didn t even have the courtesy to complete the safety training necessary to enter the manufacturing floor let alone hold my wrenches. I would be thrilled if any of my managers were as dedicated as Musk. Having technically competent management is a blessing. Having management that s only interested in the bottom line is a morale killer. | roboticmommy | 2018-04-03 16:57:54 | 31 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
89exl1 | [Discussion] What would management schools say about CEO Elon sleeping on the factory floor. Is it a goood or bad sign of leadership. Why no COO and chain of delegation instead. | Wasn t there some ex-Audi executive who was supposed to be the one to bring it to the next level? Is this sleeping on the floor thing bad for morale? | Frowawayduh1 | 2018-04-03 15:26:20 | 12 | dwqm2bt | What would successful business leaders say about management schools? | ElonsMonkey | 2018-04-03 16:48:59 | 11 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
89exl1 | [Discussion] What would management schools say about CEO Elon sleeping on the factory floor. Is it a goood or bad sign of leadership. Why no COO and chain of delegation instead. | Wasn t there some ex-Audi executive who was supposed to be the one to bring it to the next level? Is this sleeping on the floor thing bad for morale? | Frowawayduh1 | 2018-04-03 15:26:20 | 12 | dwr3n7w | Good leadership leads from the front. | lmaccaro | 2018-04-03 20:35:06 | 9 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
89exl1 | [Discussion] What would management schools say about CEO Elon sleeping on the factory floor. Is it a goood or bad sign of leadership. Why no COO and chain of delegation instead. | Wasn t there some ex-Audi executive who was supposed to be the one to bring it to the next level? Is this sleeping on the floor thing bad for morale? | Frowawayduh1 | 2018-04-03 15:26:20 | 12 | dwqi4r6 | This has been my concern. Love the can do I m accountable and willing to do whatever it takes but... it opens up questions like this and 1) What happens if Elon gets ‘hit by a bus ? 2) Can the company scale with ‘one guy ? 3) Does senior management morale suffer? The employees likely appreciate it and these interventions do seem to help but... | 1st3inAZ | 2018-04-03 15:55:36 | 5 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edr64sy | Better quality interior. Fully on par with their luxury competition. 400 mile range. | Rex805 | 2019-01-10 22:55:49 | 49 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edr92h6 | in addition to stuff other people have mentioned: proper cooled seats with more adjustability including adjustable thigh support bolsters etc. carplay and android auto (I m never ever gonna stop asking) Hugely improved sound insulation and much better sound system. Power outlet in the trunk Factory IR UV rejection improvements in the glass plus power sunshades. Glass breakage sensor. | run-the-joules | 2019-01-10 23:24:26 | 43 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edr634v | New cells allowing lower weight further range 350miles and faster charging 250kW+. Interior update and new back end taillight design. | sheltz32tt | 2019-01-10 22:55:22 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | eds5ecf | Model S should reach “feature parity” with the Model X in terms of self presenting doors and “push-brake-to-close”. Those small things really do it for me on the X. | enzo32ferrari | 2019-01-11 06:14:57 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edrg2q8 | I think Supercharger V3 is a given. With the move to a Model 3 style interior a HUD (or something similar) would not surprise as a further way of differentiating Model S X . Something similar could be a binnacle type display that moves when the steering wheel moves. Better cooling is also a strong chance. & #x200B My additional list is:- * Move to 2170 batteries - new battery size for LR say 120 Kwh * Make the cars lighter where possible - adopting Model 3 solutions and parts. * Reduce costs by (higher margins) by using Model 3 parts and simplifying GA. If there are able to satisfy my additional list the cars would be faster have longer range and obviously be more premium than Model 3. So essentially Model S X becomes are more attractive product with better margins. & #x200B For price I expect. & #x200B 75D < 100D < = SR (AWD) < LR (AWD) < P100D < Performance & #x200B So there are price drop relative to the current models and you get more car for your money but old 75Ds remain the cheapest option for the time being. & #x200B There is a good reason why they a have mostly cleared out inventory prior to this refresh. With my pricing structure 100D and P100D models might be harder to shift. In particular pricing 100D against the new SR option.. For that reason I will not be surprised if SR is initially a 90. If both are 100 most people will want the new one. | M3FanOZ | 2019-01-11 00:47:06 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edsh2gi | What I want: * Switched reluctance motor in the rear because longer range higher acceleration and lower price. * 2170 battery cells because lower environmental impact lower price and P120D. * Adopt the design language of the Model 3 interior but add a HUD and some more stalks because Tesla needs it s own visual identity and the Model 3 interior looks stunning also lower price. * Superbottle because larger frunk and lower price. Things I don t want personally but that make a huge amount of financial sense: * Angry-eye headlights and a triangle on the C-pillar for Model X so that people on the street will know it s supposed to be an SUV. * Bunch of meaningless gizmos that will break the day the car goes out of warranty like cooled seats soft close doors and massage chairs to differentiate Model S X from Model 3 Y. | ascii | 2019-01-11 09:28:50 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edr65am | - 2020 Roadster front and rear styling - Revised interior incl. more executive-like rear seats (Or at least a rear arm rest) with tablet mounts and charging ports in the back of the front seats. - Better cup holder sizing and location - Better interior lighting - More wood metal trim and trim options - More wheel options (Give us back a silver 21 option) - Better stock tires (Michelin PSS on the 21 s) - Updated USB & Bluetooth capability (BT LE USB direct audio USB-C ports with more power AAC and APTx via BT etc.) - Auto-inflator to maintain optimal tire pressure in all temperatures | majesticjg | 2019-01-10 22:55:56 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edr9u77 | I won t buy it unless it has a built in fragrance dispenser like on a Mercedes S class. s | ThaiTum | 2019-01-10 23:32:02 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edr7ndk | All of the above plus a better screen. Hate the matte finish and at night would love true black OLED. | 1st3inAZ | 2019-01-10 23:10:01 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edrfxkf | Additional range would be the most attractive feature to me. Model S towing capability would also be great. | sborowko | 2019-01-11 00:45:25 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aeohup | [Discussion] What would you like to see in a Model S X Refresh ? | In light of Elon announcing the discontinuation of the 75kwh Models of S and X there are again some speculations of an imminent refresh of packdesign exterior or interior. What are the top things you would want to see added to Model S X. For me it would be: - HUD (available in basically all higher end cars) - 360° cam (same thing) - nicer ambilight with different colors - better storage compartments in interior (damn doorpockets) - higher charging capability (Supercharger v3) - better cooling (for prolonged high speed on the Autobahn and track sorry im german so bear with me) It s surprising how few things are left to basically get the perfect car what are your thoughts? What did i miss? | SyntheticRubber | 2019-01-10 22:39:17 | 66 | edsg78c | I am expecting that first we see a SR pack with aprox. the same range as the 100 pack has but for 75 price and then a LR pack with aprox. 35% longer range than the 100 pack has today but for 100 price. I would expect it to have CCS (because Europe) and also support a higher charge rate. Then theres the interior changes which I would expect feature the same vent as the 3 and a screen in landscape mode would expect the S and X to feature either a HUD or a second screen in front of driver though. Most important here for me is they need to keep it nicer than the 3 I want alcantara head liner I don t want cheap plastic on the sides but their vegan leather I don t want cheap looking piano gloss and so on. The 3 has a nice design but it gets too busy for me with the different types of materials and plastic everywhere. Nice to haves I would want that are hardware based and not software (like 360 cameras and such): - Better insulation and double pane windows for a quieter cabin (would not care if we lose frameless doors to do it even though it is doable with frameless). - Soft close doors with just buttons to open them (not necessarily automatic they just need to pop open a bit). - Automatic or soft close frunk (would be way more useful if I didn t have to push on a dirty bonnet to close it). - Actual variable suspension to make it softer harder depending on driving style (current one is an in-between). - 40 20 40 folding seats or a big ski-hatch for sitting 4 people comfortably while going skiing without a box. - 1 or 2 actual wall sockets in the car for easy plugging in of a laptop or such for charging (or a few high powered USB-C with 100W+). - Option for or built in wireless phone charging like the 3 can do. | OfarligGiraffe | 2019-01-11 09:11:05 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a3p1xr | [Discussion] What would you like to see possibly with voice control? | As much as I love my Model 3 I am really disappointed by the sparse voice control functions. As far as I can tell there is navigation phone calls and music controls and that s it. I would love for Tesla to support CarPlay. That alone would at least add a ton of new features and better phone integration but that is a topic for a different discussion. I am curious what are all the things you think should be possible using just voice control. This is the car of the future after all. Considering how many controls are buried in menus in the center screen it seems like it would be a huge safety improvement to expose everything by voice control as well. Here is my current list. I think the best format would be the command you would speak and what that command does should be obvious from your words: * Adjust Mirrors * Fold Mirrors * Set Wipers to 2 * Turn on dome lights * Show me the closest supercharger * Turn on the rear left seat warmer * Engage Autosteer * What s my tire pressure? * Turn on child lock Looking forward to hearing other ideas. | munkeegod | 2018-12-06 15:45:46 | 22 | eb7zxbl | [Keep Summer Safe](https: m.youtube.com watch?v=TGIztfTN7sE) [Credit to u SD_enginerd](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9eeb4o alright_tesla_lets_have_the_rick_and_morty_easter e5o685u) | OPVFTW | 2018-12-06 16:32:16 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a3p1xr | [Discussion] What would you like to see possibly with voice control? | As much as I love my Model 3 I am really disappointed by the sparse voice control functions. As far as I can tell there is navigation phone calls and music controls and that s it. I would love for Tesla to support CarPlay. That alone would at least add a ton of new features and better phone integration but that is a topic for a different discussion. I am curious what are all the things you think should be possible using just voice control. This is the car of the future after all. Considering how many controls are buried in menus in the center screen it seems like it would be a huge safety improvement to expose everything by voice control as well. Here is my current list. I think the best format would be the command you would speak and what that command does should be obvious from your words: * Adjust Mirrors * Fold Mirrors * Set Wipers to 2 * Turn on dome lights * Show me the closest supercharger * Turn on the rear left seat warmer * Engage Autosteer * What s my tire pressure? * Turn on child lock Looking forward to hearing other ideas. | munkeegod | 2018-12-06 15:45:46 | 22 | eb835gt | I d like to see it actually work? No sarcasm - fully half the time I push the button (either the steering wheel or the touchscreen) the green microphone pops up I speak and nothing happens. Eventually it suggests I say something like navigate to Palo Alto (super helpful in Illinois). This happens over and over. I ve learned to say navigate to and just wait before bothering to finish my sentence. | elwebst | 2018-12-06 17:08:57 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a3p1xr | [Discussion] What would you like to see possibly with voice control? | As much as I love my Model 3 I am really disappointed by the sparse voice control functions. As far as I can tell there is navigation phone calls and music controls and that s it. I would love for Tesla to support CarPlay. That alone would at least add a ton of new features and better phone integration but that is a topic for a different discussion. I am curious what are all the things you think should be possible using just voice control. This is the car of the future after all. Considering how many controls are buried in menus in the center screen it seems like it would be a huge safety improvement to expose everything by voice control as well. Here is my current list. I think the best format would be the command you would speak and what that command does should be obvious from your words: * Adjust Mirrors * Fold Mirrors * Set Wipers to 2 * Turn on dome lights * Show me the closest supercharger * Turn on the rear left seat warmer * Engage Autosteer * What s my tire pressure? * Turn on child lock Looking forward to hearing other ideas. | munkeegod | 2018-12-06 15:45:46 | 22 | eb864nm | Wow you have working voice control? Mine doesn t work most of the time it just errors and takes 10-20 tries to get it to do anything at all. & #x200B | briankwest | 2018-12-06 17:41:19 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a3p1xr | [Discussion] What would you like to see possibly with voice control? | As much as I love my Model 3 I am really disappointed by the sparse voice control functions. As far as I can tell there is navigation phone calls and music controls and that s it. I would love for Tesla to support CarPlay. That alone would at least add a ton of new features and better phone integration but that is a topic for a different discussion. I am curious what are all the things you think should be possible using just voice control. This is the car of the future after all. Considering how many controls are buried in menus in the center screen it seems like it would be a huge safety improvement to expose everything by voice control as well. Here is my current list. I think the best format would be the command you would speak and what that command does should be obvious from your words: * Adjust Mirrors * Fold Mirrors * Set Wipers to 2 * Turn on dome lights * Show me the closest supercharger * Turn on the rear left seat warmer * Engage Autosteer * What s my tire pressure? * Turn on child lock Looking forward to hearing other ideas. | munkeegod | 2018-12-06 15:45:46 | 22 | eb8dwl6 | Open camera Save TeslaCam (video snapshot) Open web browser Activate (named profile) Full screen media Half screen media Turn on off heater air conditioner defroster rear defroster Best Air Quality mode Dim the screen Make the screen brighter Lock unlock car Open frunk trunk (maybe it does this? Haven t tried) Fold mirrors in out Open close garage Turn on seat warmers to 1 2 3 Open glovebox Switch Bluetooth source device connection Roll up down all windows Roll windows to any percent Fan speed any percent Send me a reminder email (speak your thoughts to transcribe later) Open Atari Open Netflix Play YouTube Drive me home Set cruise to xxMPH | t0mmyr | 2018-12-06 19:08:52 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a3p1xr | [Discussion] What would you like to see possibly with voice control? | As much as I love my Model 3 I am really disappointed by the sparse voice control functions. As far as I can tell there is navigation phone calls and music controls and that s it. I would love for Tesla to support CarPlay. That alone would at least add a ton of new features and better phone integration but that is a topic for a different discussion. I am curious what are all the things you think should be possible using just voice control. This is the car of the future after all. Considering how many controls are buried in menus in the center screen it seems like it would be a huge safety improvement to expose everything by voice control as well. Here is my current list. I think the best format would be the command you would speak and what that command does should be obvious from your words: * Adjust Mirrors * Fold Mirrors * Set Wipers to 2 * Turn on dome lights * Show me the closest supercharger * Turn on the rear left seat warmer * Engage Autosteer * What s my tire pressure? * Turn on child lock Looking forward to hearing other ideas. | munkeegod | 2018-12-06 15:45:46 | 22 | eb81au4 | I keep forgetting to look up a list of what I can even do now. I d like to be able to turn on AP by saying Jesus take the wheel . Since they re so in love with easter eggs it would be funny if it put a halo over the car for a second with singing angels or something instead of the usual do-DO . remind me to do that thing when I get home Other non car specific things that take advantage of the internet connection would be nice too. Weather updates for a start. Adding things to a shopping list I think of while driving? I dunno. At some point just partnering with google assistant alexa might make sense for the non car stuff. | vita10gy | 2018-12-06 16:47:26 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a3p1xr | [Discussion] What would you like to see possibly with voice control? | As much as I love my Model 3 I am really disappointed by the sparse voice control functions. As far as I can tell there is navigation phone calls and music controls and that s it. I would love for Tesla to support CarPlay. That alone would at least add a ton of new features and better phone integration but that is a topic for a different discussion. I am curious what are all the things you think should be possible using just voice control. This is the car of the future after all. Considering how many controls are buried in menus in the center screen it seems like it would be a huge safety improvement to expose everything by voice control as well. Here is my current list. I think the best format would be the command you would speak and what that command does should be obvious from your words: * Adjust Mirrors * Fold Mirrors * Set Wipers to 2 * Turn on dome lights * Show me the closest supercharger * Turn on the rear left seat warmer * Engage Autosteer * What s my tire pressure? * Turn on child lock Looking forward to hearing other ideas. | munkeegod | 2018-12-06 15:45:46 | 22 | eb82lb8 | Search google. Read text messages. Keep Summer safe. | ironclownfish | 2018-12-06 17:02:21 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9358m8 | [Discussion] What would you pay for lifetime supercharging on your Model 3? | If Tesla offered a one time fee for lifetime supercharging what would you pay? | hodnick | 2018-07-30 15:54:02 | 18 | e3aohm8 | Economically speaking this wouldn t make sense for Tesla to do. The only people that would pay more than any amount chosen would be those that would use it more than that amount which would cause Tesla to have an opportunity loss. Almost certainly this would be at a rate higher than the time value of getting the money now rather than later. | IwantaModel3 | 2018-07-30 16:06:21 | 31 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9358m8 | [Discussion] What would you pay for lifetime supercharging on your Model 3? | If Tesla offered a one time fee for lifetime supercharging what would you pay? | hodnick | 2018-07-30 15:54:02 | 18 | e3apj2a | Nothing have had my car 4 months and haven t used a supercharger yet. | aronth5 | 2018-07-30 16:21:05 | 14 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9358m8 | [Discussion] What would you pay for lifetime supercharging on your Model 3? | If Tesla offered a one time fee for lifetime supercharging what would you pay? | hodnick | 2018-07-30 15:54:02 | 18 | e3aoj9h | So in four months I ve spent a grand total of $4.50 on supercharging. So let s be generous and assume I ll be driving this thing for 20 years. Still wouldn t make sense to pay more that $350. | Foxhound199 | 2018-07-30 16:07:00 | 13 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9358m8 | [Discussion] What would you pay for lifetime supercharging on your Model 3? | If Tesla offered a one time fee for lifetime supercharging what would you pay? | hodnick | 2018-07-30 15:54:02 | 18 | e3apogz | haven t needed to use it in the month i ve had the car don t take a lot of road trips pay per use is fine with me. would for sure have to be less than $500 for me to buy it for life | 70ga | 2018-07-30 16:23:10 | 12 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9358m8 | [Discussion] What would you pay for lifetime supercharging on your Model 3? | If Tesla offered a one time fee for lifetime supercharging what would you pay? | hodnick | 2018-07-30 15:54:02 | 18 | e3aojx5 | I wouldn t. I value charging at home a fair bit more than any reasonable flat-fee that would require me to go out in the weather to charge. It d have to be less than like $5 000 and I d probably rather put that towards solar panels. Plus at this point Tesla would have to make some fairly draconian limits to reduce the abuse. | izerth | 2018-07-30 16:07:16 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9358m8 | [Discussion] What would you pay for lifetime supercharging on your Model 3? | If Tesla offered a one time fee for lifetime supercharging what would you pay? | hodnick | 2018-07-30 15:54:02 | 18 | e3ao35d | Personally $1000. If it was more it would make sense for me to pay per use. | Vintagesysadmin | 2018-07-30 16:00:34 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
a6riqz | [Discussion] When do you think Tesla will allow for 3rd party developers? | When if ever do you think Tesla may allow for 3rd party developers to create native apps for Tesla s? I could see some sort of App Store where people can download certain apps for their car sports weather video financial you name it. I remember seeing something in settings for ‘Apps and that s where the calendar used to live so maybe they were preparing for something like this? I certainly see a potential risk of running apps from the car while driving so maybe only allow when parked? I think this could allow for amazing personalization and give the people something else to look forward to “updating”. This may not be a priority for Tesla but as a developer myself it certainly would be fun to create some! | Car333 | 2018-12-16 18:36:29 | 16 | ebxe5sg | I personally don t see Tesla doing this in the near future. If they were to allow it it would be tightly regulated unlike the google play store. But on top of that I don t think they ll allow many entertainment apps to run while driving only when parked or charging | jacobdu215 | 2018-12-16 19:26:33 | 16 | Tesla companion app features |
a6riqz | [Discussion] When do you think Tesla will allow for 3rd party developers? | When if ever do you think Tesla may allow for 3rd party developers to create native apps for Tesla s? I could see some sort of App Store where people can download certain apps for their car sports weather video financial you name it. I remember seeing something in settings for ‘Apps and that s where the calendar used to live so maybe they were preparing for something like this? I certainly see a potential risk of running apps from the car while driving so maybe only allow when parked? I think this could allow for amazing personalization and give the people something else to look forward to “updating”. This may not be a priority for Tesla but as a developer myself it certainly would be fun to create some! | Car333 | 2018-12-16 18:36:29 | 16 | ebxab2i | Doubt they will personally at all. They want to keep it a closed eco-system it seems. | ABigFalconRocket | 2018-12-16 18:42:30 | 5 | Tesla companion app features |
9jc0q1 | [Discussion] When does your car become your car? | **TL DR - I have been going through quite a delivery coordination ordeal and now Tesla is threatening to sell my car to someone else if I can t get to the delivery center on Sunday.** Originally I was given a window of September 20-27 for pickup of my car. I live 5.5 hours (315 miles) from the nearest Tesla location in the US so I figured I would be offered home delivery (per the website - if you live more than 150 miles away). I was not offered home delivery and I made significant life accommodations to pick up the car on September 20th which was the only day within the window that I was able to commit to because of my co-registrant spouse s pre-arranged travel commitments. Lo and behold Tesla did not have its act together and my car was not at the delivery location by that date (luckily I discovered this a couple of days before delivery day so I didn t travel to discover this). Tesla agreed to home delivery after this and set me up with a delivery specialist to coordinate this. Whom I didn t hear from until many days later when I was told that the delivery truck is running 3 days behind and could I pick up instead? So I have been trying every which way to coordinate a pickup on September 30th. I agreed to rent a car 2 hours from my house drive it another 2 hours to meet my spouse returning from their trip in another city to collect signatures on the paperwork then to drive 6 hours from there to my delivery location to pick up the car (and then of course to drive the 5.5 hours home theoretically in my new car). How crazy does all this sound? Only I discovered that all of the nearby car rental returns are full so I can t return a one-way rental to this location because Tesla has such a huge push on people getting to this location to pick up their cars this weekend. So I literally can t pick up my car this weekend because: * Tesla couldn t meet their initial delivery window which included September 20th * Tesla couldn t coordinate home delivery in time * Tesla has so many people picking up this weekend that the car rental returns are full In the meantime in good faith I have been diligently working on obtaining a loan tied to the car with this VIN (check is literally in the mail which means I am now accruing interest) and I have signed MVPA paperwork with this VIN. Now my delivery coordinator is telling me that if I can t get in to pick up the car on Sunday that they will deassign my VIN and sell the car to someone who can pick up by the end of the month and I would be put back into the queue with no idea when I could get another assignment. Is this allowed? I literally have a contract with Tesla tying me to this VIN and have a loan tied to this VIN and I have tried to make it possible to get to the delivery center (with tremendous hardship!) to accommodate Tesla s timeline. What are my options here? Although my delivery coordinator has been really nice and has tried to accommodate me as much as possible (offering car rental reimbursement etc) I am really frustrated with this experience and I don t know how to proceed. Any thoughts? & #x200B | joyfulali | 2018-09-27 11:25:36 | 36 | e6q6pny | OP - my two cents if it s going to cause a lot of stress just wait it out - call them October 1st (or first day they re open after Oct 1) and then schedule if the car is still available. There won t be the insane-to-consumers and Tesla employees quarter end market-forced sales rush. | jrherita | 2018-09-27 11:43:24 | 9 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9jc0q1 | [Discussion] When does your car become your car? | **TL DR - I have been going through quite a delivery coordination ordeal and now Tesla is threatening to sell my car to someone else if I can t get to the delivery center on Sunday.** Originally I was given a window of September 20-27 for pickup of my car. I live 5.5 hours (315 miles) from the nearest Tesla location in the US so I figured I would be offered home delivery (per the website - if you live more than 150 miles away). I was not offered home delivery and I made significant life accommodations to pick up the car on September 20th which was the only day within the window that I was able to commit to because of my co-registrant spouse s pre-arranged travel commitments. Lo and behold Tesla did not have its act together and my car was not at the delivery location by that date (luckily I discovered this a couple of days before delivery day so I didn t travel to discover this). Tesla agreed to home delivery after this and set me up with a delivery specialist to coordinate this. Whom I didn t hear from until many days later when I was told that the delivery truck is running 3 days behind and could I pick up instead? So I have been trying every which way to coordinate a pickup on September 30th. I agreed to rent a car 2 hours from my house drive it another 2 hours to meet my spouse returning from their trip in another city to collect signatures on the paperwork then to drive 6 hours from there to my delivery location to pick up the car (and then of course to drive the 5.5 hours home theoretically in my new car). How crazy does all this sound? Only I discovered that all of the nearby car rental returns are full so I can t return a one-way rental to this location because Tesla has such a huge push on people getting to this location to pick up their cars this weekend. So I literally can t pick up my car this weekend because: * Tesla couldn t meet their initial delivery window which included September 20th * Tesla couldn t coordinate home delivery in time * Tesla has so many people picking up this weekend that the car rental returns are full In the meantime in good faith I have been diligently working on obtaining a loan tied to the car with this VIN (check is literally in the mail which means I am now accruing interest) and I have signed MVPA paperwork with this VIN. Now my delivery coordinator is telling me that if I can t get in to pick up the car on Sunday that they will deassign my VIN and sell the car to someone who can pick up by the end of the month and I would be put back into the queue with no idea when I could get another assignment. Is this allowed? I literally have a contract with Tesla tying me to this VIN and have a loan tied to this VIN and I have tried to make it possible to get to the delivery center (with tremendous hardship!) to accommodate Tesla s timeline. What are my options here? Although my delivery coordinator has been really nice and has tried to accommodate me as much as possible (offering car rental reimbursement etc) I am really frustrated with this experience and I don t know how to proceed. Any thoughts? & #x200B | joyfulali | 2018-09-27 11:25:36 | 36 | e6q6l2j | It s not your car until you take delivery just like with everything else. You agreed to let Tesla sell the car to others if you can t pick up the car in time (although it doesn t cover Tesla missing the initial delivery window). The contract you signed: > we will notify you of when we expect your Vehicle to be ready for delivery at your local Tesla Delivery Center or other location as we may agree to. You agree to schedule and take delivery of your Vehicle within one week of this date. If you are unable to take delivery within the specified period your Vehicle may be made available for sale to other customers. | rnelsonee | 2018-09-27 11:40:17 | 7 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9jc0q1 | [Discussion] When does your car become your car? | **TL DR - I have been going through quite a delivery coordination ordeal and now Tesla is threatening to sell my car to someone else if I can t get to the delivery center on Sunday.** Originally I was given a window of September 20-27 for pickup of my car. I live 5.5 hours (315 miles) from the nearest Tesla location in the US so I figured I would be offered home delivery (per the website - if you live more than 150 miles away). I was not offered home delivery and I made significant life accommodations to pick up the car on September 20th which was the only day within the window that I was able to commit to because of my co-registrant spouse s pre-arranged travel commitments. Lo and behold Tesla did not have its act together and my car was not at the delivery location by that date (luckily I discovered this a couple of days before delivery day so I didn t travel to discover this). Tesla agreed to home delivery after this and set me up with a delivery specialist to coordinate this. Whom I didn t hear from until many days later when I was told that the delivery truck is running 3 days behind and could I pick up instead? So I have been trying every which way to coordinate a pickup on September 30th. I agreed to rent a car 2 hours from my house drive it another 2 hours to meet my spouse returning from their trip in another city to collect signatures on the paperwork then to drive 6 hours from there to my delivery location to pick up the car (and then of course to drive the 5.5 hours home theoretically in my new car). How crazy does all this sound? Only I discovered that all of the nearby car rental returns are full so I can t return a one-way rental to this location because Tesla has such a huge push on people getting to this location to pick up their cars this weekend. So I literally can t pick up my car this weekend because: * Tesla couldn t meet their initial delivery window which included September 20th * Tesla couldn t coordinate home delivery in time * Tesla has so many people picking up this weekend that the car rental returns are full In the meantime in good faith I have been diligently working on obtaining a loan tied to the car with this VIN (check is literally in the mail which means I am now accruing interest) and I have signed MVPA paperwork with this VIN. Now my delivery coordinator is telling me that if I can t get in to pick up the car on Sunday that they will deassign my VIN and sell the car to someone who can pick up by the end of the month and I would be put back into the queue with no idea when I could get another assignment. Is this allowed? I literally have a contract with Tesla tying me to this VIN and have a loan tied to this VIN and I have tried to make it possible to get to the delivery center (with tremendous hardship!) to accommodate Tesla s timeline. What are my options here? Although my delivery coordinator has been really nice and has tried to accommodate me as much as possible (offering car rental reimbursement etc) I am really frustrated with this experience and I don t know how to proceed. Any thoughts? & #x200B | joyfulali | 2018-09-27 11:25:36 | 36 | e6q95vx | Doesn t your spouse have to be present for pickup if her name is on the title? | Pdxlater | 2018-09-27 12:36:22 | 7 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9jc0q1 | [Discussion] When does your car become your car? | **TL DR - I have been going through quite a delivery coordination ordeal and now Tesla is threatening to sell my car to someone else if I can t get to the delivery center on Sunday.** Originally I was given a window of September 20-27 for pickup of my car. I live 5.5 hours (315 miles) from the nearest Tesla location in the US so I figured I would be offered home delivery (per the website - if you live more than 150 miles away). I was not offered home delivery and I made significant life accommodations to pick up the car on September 20th which was the only day within the window that I was able to commit to because of my co-registrant spouse s pre-arranged travel commitments. Lo and behold Tesla did not have its act together and my car was not at the delivery location by that date (luckily I discovered this a couple of days before delivery day so I didn t travel to discover this). Tesla agreed to home delivery after this and set me up with a delivery specialist to coordinate this. Whom I didn t hear from until many days later when I was told that the delivery truck is running 3 days behind and could I pick up instead? So I have been trying every which way to coordinate a pickup on September 30th. I agreed to rent a car 2 hours from my house drive it another 2 hours to meet my spouse returning from their trip in another city to collect signatures on the paperwork then to drive 6 hours from there to my delivery location to pick up the car (and then of course to drive the 5.5 hours home theoretically in my new car). How crazy does all this sound? Only I discovered that all of the nearby car rental returns are full so I can t return a one-way rental to this location because Tesla has such a huge push on people getting to this location to pick up their cars this weekend. So I literally can t pick up my car this weekend because: * Tesla couldn t meet their initial delivery window which included September 20th * Tesla couldn t coordinate home delivery in time * Tesla has so many people picking up this weekend that the car rental returns are full In the meantime in good faith I have been diligently working on obtaining a loan tied to the car with this VIN (check is literally in the mail which means I am now accruing interest) and I have signed MVPA paperwork with this VIN. Now my delivery coordinator is telling me that if I can t get in to pick up the car on Sunday that they will deassign my VIN and sell the car to someone who can pick up by the end of the month and I would be put back into the queue with no idea when I could get another assignment. Is this allowed? I literally have a contract with Tesla tying me to this VIN and have a loan tied to this VIN and I have tried to make it possible to get to the delivery center (with tremendous hardship!) to accommodate Tesla s timeline. What are my options here? Although my delivery coordinator has been really nice and has tried to accommodate me as much as possible (offering car rental reimbursement etc) I am really frustrated with this experience and I don t know how to proceed. Any thoughts? & #x200B | joyfulali | 2018-09-27 11:25:36 | 36 | e6qb49r | I had a similar though less extreme experience where because of travel and distance to the delivery center (160 mi) I only had one day where I could make the transaction. They ended up getting the car in early and asked me to come sooner but I was going to be out of town. They threatened to sell my car to someone else but ended up backing down when I made it clear that an early pickup was literally impossible. It ll be nice when the orders and their delivery capacity reach a nice steady state. I love my 3 now that I have it but the process leading up to me driving off the lot was honestly pretty shitty and if the car wasn t so amazing it would have turned me off the company entirely. | hbarSquared | 2018-09-27 13:12:04 | 7 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9jc0q1 | [Discussion] When does your car become your car? | **TL DR - I have been going through quite a delivery coordination ordeal and now Tesla is threatening to sell my car to someone else if I can t get to the delivery center on Sunday.** Originally I was given a window of September 20-27 for pickup of my car. I live 5.5 hours (315 miles) from the nearest Tesla location in the US so I figured I would be offered home delivery (per the website - if you live more than 150 miles away). I was not offered home delivery and I made significant life accommodations to pick up the car on September 20th which was the only day within the window that I was able to commit to because of my co-registrant spouse s pre-arranged travel commitments. Lo and behold Tesla did not have its act together and my car was not at the delivery location by that date (luckily I discovered this a couple of days before delivery day so I didn t travel to discover this). Tesla agreed to home delivery after this and set me up with a delivery specialist to coordinate this. Whom I didn t hear from until many days later when I was told that the delivery truck is running 3 days behind and could I pick up instead? So I have been trying every which way to coordinate a pickup on September 30th. I agreed to rent a car 2 hours from my house drive it another 2 hours to meet my spouse returning from their trip in another city to collect signatures on the paperwork then to drive 6 hours from there to my delivery location to pick up the car (and then of course to drive the 5.5 hours home theoretically in my new car). How crazy does all this sound? Only I discovered that all of the nearby car rental returns are full so I can t return a one-way rental to this location because Tesla has such a huge push on people getting to this location to pick up their cars this weekend. So I literally can t pick up my car this weekend because: * Tesla couldn t meet their initial delivery window which included September 20th * Tesla couldn t coordinate home delivery in time * Tesla has so many people picking up this weekend that the car rental returns are full In the meantime in good faith I have been diligently working on obtaining a loan tied to the car with this VIN (check is literally in the mail which means I am now accruing interest) and I have signed MVPA paperwork with this VIN. Now my delivery coordinator is telling me that if I can t get in to pick up the car on Sunday that they will deassign my VIN and sell the car to someone who can pick up by the end of the month and I would be put back into the queue with no idea when I could get another assignment. Is this allowed? I literally have a contract with Tesla tying me to this VIN and have a loan tied to this VIN and I have tried to make it possible to get to the delivery center (with tremendous hardship!) to accommodate Tesla s timeline. What are my options here? Although my delivery coordinator has been really nice and has tried to accommodate me as much as possible (offering car rental reimbursement etc) I am really frustrated with this experience and I don t know how to proceed. Any thoughts? & #x200B | joyfulali | 2018-09-27 11:25:36 | 36 | e6qgde1 | > Now my delivery coordinator is telling me that if I can t get in to pick up the car on Sunday that they will deassign my VIN and sell the car to someone who can pick up by the end of the month Simple. Promise to pick the car up on Sunday. Then don t show. In other words do what they ve been doing to you. That will keep the car tied to you and make it harder for them to pass it off to someone else before the mad Q3 rush is over. | __________z_________ | 2018-09-27 14:33:07 | 6 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9jc0q1 | [Discussion] When does your car become your car? | **TL DR - I have been going through quite a delivery coordination ordeal and now Tesla is threatening to sell my car to someone else if I can t get to the delivery center on Sunday.** Originally I was given a window of September 20-27 for pickup of my car. I live 5.5 hours (315 miles) from the nearest Tesla location in the US so I figured I would be offered home delivery (per the website - if you live more than 150 miles away). I was not offered home delivery and I made significant life accommodations to pick up the car on September 20th which was the only day within the window that I was able to commit to because of my co-registrant spouse s pre-arranged travel commitments. Lo and behold Tesla did not have its act together and my car was not at the delivery location by that date (luckily I discovered this a couple of days before delivery day so I didn t travel to discover this). Tesla agreed to home delivery after this and set me up with a delivery specialist to coordinate this. Whom I didn t hear from until many days later when I was told that the delivery truck is running 3 days behind and could I pick up instead? So I have been trying every which way to coordinate a pickup on September 30th. I agreed to rent a car 2 hours from my house drive it another 2 hours to meet my spouse returning from their trip in another city to collect signatures on the paperwork then to drive 6 hours from there to my delivery location to pick up the car (and then of course to drive the 5.5 hours home theoretically in my new car). How crazy does all this sound? Only I discovered that all of the nearby car rental returns are full so I can t return a one-way rental to this location because Tesla has such a huge push on people getting to this location to pick up their cars this weekend. So I literally can t pick up my car this weekend because: * Tesla couldn t meet their initial delivery window which included September 20th * Tesla couldn t coordinate home delivery in time * Tesla has so many people picking up this weekend that the car rental returns are full In the meantime in good faith I have been diligently working on obtaining a loan tied to the car with this VIN (check is literally in the mail which means I am now accruing interest) and I have signed MVPA paperwork with this VIN. Now my delivery coordinator is telling me that if I can t get in to pick up the car on Sunday that they will deassign my VIN and sell the car to someone who can pick up by the end of the month and I would be put back into the queue with no idea when I could get another assignment. Is this allowed? I literally have a contract with Tesla tying me to this VIN and have a loan tied to this VIN and I have tried to make it possible to get to the delivery center (with tremendous hardship!) to accommodate Tesla s timeline. What are my options here? Although my delivery coordinator has been really nice and has tried to accommodate me as much as possible (offering car rental reimbursement etc) I am really frustrated with this experience and I don t know how to proceed. Any thoughts? & #x200B | joyfulali | 2018-09-27 11:25:36 | 36 | e6qbvp5 | I can tell you from personal experience that the delivery pickup experience is not up to par in Tesla. Model S delivery I would give a C- delayed several times for no apparent reason delivery specialist was not in good contact with me ever car was in my area all weekend and I couldn t get it because some asshole doctor didn t want to take delivery of his MS until mid-day Sunday and my car was trapped by his.... Nevertheless I LOVE MY MODEL S Model X pick-up at Tesla Store. Flew into town originally told someone would pic me up at airport but had to uber there Was supposed to be at 10 but was more like 11:30 paperwork messed up was supposed to have extras that were not included etc...... Nevertheless I LOVE MY MODEL X. Just push through you will love that car and the delivery experience will fade from your memory. | liberty4u2 | 2018-09-27 13:24:35 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5m3cvc | Hi there fellow Texan here. The issue is oriented around the fact that Texas has essentially been a black hole for Model 3 deliveries since the beginning. Things have just recently started ramping up but it s taken forever. This is mostly due (in my opinion at least) the fact that Texas dealership laws make Texas a very unattractive place to sell cars to when the demand elsewhere is so high. It s a combination of bad logistics bad sales penetration and sadly luck. Model 3 cannot be sold in Texas directly and therefore the cars must be sold from California first. This means that existing stock of cars that would be destined for areas that can sell directly to individuals will be delayed until the car is paid in full from a Texan. This also means that popular configurations (ie: RWD) are better served to be bulk shipped to other locations where the cars are literally leaving the lots faster than they can be added. (Tesla assigns specific orders to regions based off of the popularity of a configuration from what I can gather and delivers the most popular configurations to save on delivery logistical costs) For Texas it s just bad all around because a car isn t officially sold (even when paid upfront) until the delivery is completed. This means that every Texas purchaser ha to wait a minimum of 2-3 weeks for delivery assuming a best case scenario with no damage to the vehicle during transit. If there s damage the car has to be repaired. If the delivery is rejected the whole process needs to start over again for the VIN as they cannot transfer the VIN from an existing Texas car as it s considered ‘not in California and therefore cannot be sold in the state. Ultimately you re looking at these delays being both political (laws) and logistical nightmares (shipping+laws). Don t give up my friend Tesla is working to push this harder and harder and I ve seen a few car carriers with Model 3s in the last few days alone which is new as I ve not seen a loaded Model 3 car carrier in Austin until recently. The workload put on Tesla to ship these cars alone is bad but shipping them to Texas is worse. I m not absolving Tesla or blame here but the logistics and legal requirements in Texas are a real turn off when they need to be profitable this quarter and the demand elsewhere is cheaper logistically and requires less risk. | OverClokx | 2018-09-08 14:51:33 | 66 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5m8w2c | Don t put your faith in something so blindly no matter how good it sounds. Tesla fucks up A LOT of things your order being one of them. Take an objective view at this cancel the order get your money back and buy something else. Edit: as a customer you are the king. You should not have to wait for company to figure out their shit. | elonisahoe | 2018-09-08 16:37:34 | 66 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5m4zve | The biggest problem here is not how long this process has been. It s that you are not getting the truth. Had Tesla said early on that Texas (or low-trim models or any other configuration) would be last in line and take 36 months then at least you would have known and could make an informed decision. Musk (and Tesla by extension) are horrible at one of the “first principles” in business: underpromise over deliver. As much as people around here hate FUD Tesla could eliminate much if not all of the fear uncertainty and doubt by following that simple rule: underpromise over deliver. This is to the point where it s infected the organization at a cultural level. If Musk can promise a $35 000 Model 3 and 10 000 of them rolling off the line each week then that just tells lower level employee that it s ok to promise you car will be here in “3 weeks probably 6 weeks definitely” and still ignore your calls 12 weeks later. Until they learn to embed that in the culture at Tesla FUD will keep growing and growing until investors and customers alike can simply no longer believe anything they say. God help us if there is a massive recall or you need warranty work done. If they can t handle selling the car delivering the car and taking your money....how much worse will this be when there s a problem 7 months in? Making and servicing cars is f-ing hard and Tesla is really underestimating the logistics of all this. When I consider what are the real threats to Tesla s survival this is the #1. Musk if you re reading this it s time to come clean with investors and customers and suppliers. Tell us all what is really going on...then underpromise and overdeliver. | jman3710439 | 2018-09-08 15:25:33 | 34 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5melin | > 54% upvoted Why are people downvoting you? Have you already paid for the car? If yes this is absolutely ridiculous. | falconberger | 2018-09-08 18:15:56 | 30 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5m5fv7 | I think you are right. If the day I ordered I had got an email that s said “shit sucks Texas crazy date November.” I d be in a totally different head space. Having my lender on speed dial restructuring my power company and finances telling family and friends putting off a family vacation etc... none of that needed to happen. | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 15:34:37 | 21 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5m30gu | You are not wrong. Take a deep breath. Realize it s just a car albeit an amazing car manufactured by a company that has never before done things of this scale and is experiencing serious growing pains. If they could have they would have gotten you this car much sooner. It s not done to fuck with you. | pacopacifico | 2018-09-08 14:44:38 | 18 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5mgwq2 | Just cancel your order. Telsa is just a car. You re going to be even more pissed when you receive a 50k+ car with defects and are wasting weeks running around trying to get it repaired. | KebabEbnKebab | 2018-09-08 18:54:23 | 11 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5m3qfh | So we have a few very crazy issues at once here. Tesla has huge issues with logistics. They have no idea where cars are and how many they moved to where it seems. Then we have the horrible customer service which is a result of frankly not having enough staff. The staff cuts were in my mind a stupid move. They need staff now more than ever. They need to staff up the inside sales people in NV at an emergency pace. They local staff is also getting saturated and need help. We have a deliver nightmare playing out that was brewing since all the way back in may June of this year. Then we have the fact your in a hostile state for Tesla so they can not just bulk ship random cars to your area and sell them. This is a whole ordeal for them. I am not defending them but this is the harsh reality. Tesla needs a team devoted to strange states like TX to ensure this stuff does not fall apart like it seems to. This also goes back to logistics. I am here in nashville tn and suddenly last week every ones lead times on cars went up by almost 4 weeks. The reason well cars did not make the train. This again echo the same pain your having but in a more simple way they will just ship the bulk and deal with it once it gets to the hubs. The case is we can not just randomly re-assing you a vin thanks Texas so we have to have pure chain of ownership and shipment on your car. The vast majority it seems have VIN assigned when they reach a hub point and head to finally delivery which again is not the case for TX. So in short your right to be angry and your right to wonder if Tesla is worth the hassle. I have thought this for a long time. I am in nashville where I can get a car with out any extra hoops. I also have only be in the line for a solid year now. I do not think I have ever waited for a single product this long with money down. I am starting to wonder why the hell I gave them my money in the first place. The local SC has zero idea when or if I will get a car this year. The company has no idea who is gonna miss the boat. They keep up this smoke screen of every one gets a car if you order right now. This is a lie and every one inside Tesla has to know it. This has been the largest debacle ever in my house hold. I have waited months for gadgets before and even then I was like ok Tim Cook you have enough money pay to make it happen and he did and ramped up production to a point it was excess. Elon does not have the Tim Cook cash to through at this. So we are left to wonder will we get cars and will those cars be made worth a damn. Will the cars be riddled with flaws. This place should make any Tesla buyer a skeptic of all of that just by reading the threads here. So your not FUD or a short but your a Tesla fan who is tired of accepting poor or no treatment from a company you expect higher standards from. So call them out on it and keep doing it. Tesla will never get better if we all do not call them out on the BS they pull. Tesla has to know there is an economic price to pay for screwing over customers. This story alone in your peer group I am sure has turned possible Tesla customers off to the brand. This is a huge deal since Tesla is a word of mouth sales machine. | sziehr | 2018-09-08 14:59:18 | 9 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5mgf3c | Tesla is screwing you. | M1A3sepV3 | 2018-09-08 18:46:07 | 9 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5m2yvr | As a Day 1 reservation in Texas I too waited 3+ months for a VIN. So long that the tracker automatically marked my VIN as received (under the assumption there was no way someone could wait so long). It is extremely frustrating. The car is worth it though. I ve had mine almost 2 months now and love it. | PopAShotAllStar | 2018-09-08 14:43:44 | 7 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5mlyyh | I can sympathize. I needed to call Tesla multiple times to get a straight answer and everybody told me something different and I finally found out from someone on the phone that they were waiting on me to confirm which payment option I was going to pick and that my car was just sitting at the delivery center waiting on me even though every other delivery specialist said I was waiting on Tesla. They definitely have not trained up their delivery department. And on top of delivery agents being ignorant they re also wildly understaffed. Phone calls took nearly an hour on hold which is outrageous for such a large purchase... but the opposite problem would be to hire a bunch of green support people who give you incorrect information. Can t win. I had to use phone because my delivery specialist wouldn t respond to emails within 72 hours and phone calls to his direct line went unresponded. I emailed service because my car was delivered with rattles and buzzes and sounds like a 15 year old car. No response. I sent a video with a sound clip. No response. My air conditioning died. I tried calling tech support and the wait time was More than 4 hours so I hung up. I emailed the service center again finally got a response 3 days after that 10 days from first contact to a response. So far my Tesla experience if I wasn t a die hard customer would have driven me to give up on the company for good. But I m convinced that they ll work out these bugs with experience as more people know what the process is and the process improves. Already I m seeing the delivery emails being clear and informative unlike what I received just a few weeks ago. They re learning fast. And they need to. My advice: call and escalate. I lucked out and finally got connected to a new delivery specialist when mine (thankfully) went on vacation and the new delivery specialist correctly answered all of my questions and was incredibly helpful. I realized what the experience could be like. She was great and the exact opposite of all of my other Tesla service experience. Tesla was a 15 car a week company 10 years ago. Now it s 1 500 a day. They re still operating like a 15 car a week company and I think quickly realizing that they absolutely have to rethink everything to scale adequately. | im_thatoneguy | 2018-09-08 20:16:57 | 6 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5mro4e | I feel for you man. You and I have had several exchanges on here. Really hope you get your car ASAP. I know this probably has nothing to do with it but I was in the same boat as you...I felt helpless so I tweeted Elon...that night I got a call that my no bullshit set in stone confirmed delivery date would be today in Dallas picked up my car this morning. I m sure the tweet had nothing to do with it but my tweet did get retweeted a lot by tesla shorters. Hope it works out for you. The second I got in my car all was forgiven. It s an incredible car! | Vivetastic82 | 2018-09-08 21:49:11 | 6 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5mturo | > TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship Mine was long ago around July of last year when it turned out that waiting in line for the 3 res was meaningless. If you feel like you ve been treated poorly cut your losses and move on. If I felt that way I definitely wouldn t give the corporation fifty thousand dollars. | bonghits96 | 2018-09-08 22:23:55 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9e4q17 | [Discussion] When is enough enough? | I think I m reaching a turning point in my relationship (or lack there of) with Tesla. I was willing to stand in line. I was willing to put money down sight unseen. I was willing to wait two and a half years. I was willing to order when my number was called. I was willing to put down more money sight unseen. I was willing to buy LR when I really only needed SR. I was willing to accept higher trims come first. I was willing to accept existing customers come first. I was willing to accept employees come first. I was willing to accept closer regions come first. I was willing to accept I might not get a diecast car. I was willing to accept the floodgates of orders opening in late June.. knowing my order was placed in May. I ve bought accessories. Floor Mats. Charging Pads. Mugs. Clothing. A high power wall connector. Electrical installs. I ve changed my energy provider and changed usage plans. I ve evangelized their stock and persuaded my employer to install extra charging stalls. I ve listened to three podcasts for over 2 years. I ve watched every live streaming event and gone to numerous meet ups. I ve participated in multiple online forums and now even Discord chat. In short I ve done everything a fan and future customer can do. But something is wrong. Really wrong. This is a relationship that is ALL give and no get. I have waited 100 days since ordering. Call after call after call. Email after email. No response no info no timeline. The final wait in the longest (so said the podcasts). So true. These last few bitter days are ruining what should be the most exciting moments. By all accounts I should have my car by now. I m told 8 weeks at the high end of wait times from support. What a joke.. as I m now in the middle of week 15. According to the tracker I m in a 6 way tie for longest VIN wait...EVER. Tesla has steadily cheapened my experience.. as there are now 3 s in my neighborhood job and streets everywhere. These were not existing owners many aren t even RWD. There are people walking in off the street and getting a car within 2 weeks with nearly identical configs. There are at least 4 known people with my exact customer status config which ordered more then a month after me and got VINs.. so I don t buy the batching bullshit anymore. The feeling of special and important has faded as exclusivity and early access are now turning common place and are late in the adoption curve. These were important intrinsic values in waiting in line and ordering early and holding my config with zero changes. I did everything you can possibly do to maximize my delivery date (including ordering minutes after the configuration opened to me and uploading all documents within 24 hours of that moment). All that.. for nothing. I read of a fellow Texan who finally escalated with the executives filed with the BBB and was given his car after 54 days after paying. Another of them notified me yesterday that he s finally getting his car after 30-something days paid. Watching the flood of AWD notices the past few days may have pushed me over the edge. I am now bitter. The sarcasm isn t even hidden when I call support every day. The local delivery center refers me back to the same dead ends. I m tired of hearing that this will all be a bad memory when I get my car. It would seem I m not getting a car. I m not even getting empty promises anymore. I m tired of hearing how this is something ‘wrong with Texas.. as I watch hundreds of cars pass through the lot each week. This is the longest I ve waited for a material possession in my life and a significant amount of financial and emotional stress… and an ordeal which sees no end. I planned on owning and driving this car for years to come. How badly does it bode for Tesla that they are capable of sapping the joy and love out of their biggest fans… when all we want to do is get the damn product we paid for. So my question...and the reason I put this out as a discussion... is when is enough enough? I went from second thoughts to third thoughts to regretting the whole debacle. I ve been hated on in forums painted as a FUD agent and ridiculed by friends who are convinced I made the whole car order up. So I ask you Reddit public soapbox of soapboxes... when would enough be enough? Why should the loyal fans the damn near zealots the friends of the podcasts and all the rest say... enough? I ve never been closer from walking way.. and my anger at Tesla for a lack of communication lack of follow-through and lack of CAR has never been stronger. About all the wiggle room that existed for accepting a car with re-work or expecting to have a smooth delivery are gone. **TL:DR I m a pissed off super-fan turning to you for mob sympathy and asking where your limit would be in an abusive one-sided relationship** | neverlandedman | 2018-09-08 14:34:35 | 91 | e5mx28k | I d say your situation is clearly messed up and by all rights you deserve better. Any other item I d say cancel and go buy something else. But that advice leads you to buying an inferior product and that s the issue. The car you are patiently waiting for is the best money can buy I don t care what anyone else says. it will be worth the wait however long that may be. Just my $.02 edit: spelling | armedsilence | 2018-09-08 23:18:21 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
ax840p | [Discussion] When is the $2K autopilot coming out? Is it next month (April?) or very soon? | Very confused and I really want to buy auto pilot but it still shows up as like $5 300 (Canadian dollars). The blog post https: www.tesla.com en_CA blog upgrading-autopilot-and-full-self-driving-capability says beginning next month and it s posted March 1 so does that mean April? Do I have to wait for that firmware update that increases the power? When can I buy Auto Pilot? | canucktesladude | 2019-03-04 15:08:30 | 33 | ehrqlab | Also discussed here. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments awuhfb discussion_new_autopilot_pricing_beginning_next Elon s tweet suggests it will take a few days to be available (https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1101741213722525697). | simplicio_MA | 2019-03-04 15:14:15 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
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