   bush's tax cut
  i''m trying to gather opinions from a bunch of people for an argument i''m trying to formulate.basically, i''m sure everyone is aware of President Bush''s tax cut. the republicans want to make it permanent on the next election, but the Democrats are fighting to have it rolled back, arguing that the tax cut is actually hurting the middle class..well..what''s your opinion? are you for keeping the tax cut, or killing it? personally, i''m siding with the republicans, but if you can reason against that, feel free. 
  Considering how far in debt you guys are getting, a tax cut doesn't seem like a very logical thing to do. But I don't live there, so why should I worry?U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK [edited by - smart_idiot on February 3, 2004 1:50:19 PM];  With all the debt the govt is in, it would probably be a good thing to roll them back now to get started on bringing it down early. Note that I''m not siding with a party. Rather, I''m making a(n uneducated) guess as to which would be better in the long run. Once there is no debt, it would make sense to try to bring the tax cut back. ;  how about instead of raising taxes they cut back on spending. when I''m low on cash, I don''t go to my boss and demand a raise at gun point. Instead, I cut back on how much I am spending on extra stuff like games and eating out. ;  Tax cuts by themselves are great, especially after 8 years of a Democratic White House. However, when teamed with considerable increases in spending and trying to finance a war ot two it leads to the current situation we''re in (massive debt). In short, repeal them.- Ducs ;quote:Original post by M_R_Ducs  Tax cuts by themselves are great, especially after 8 years of a Democratic White House. However, when teamed with considerable increases in spending and trying to finance a war ot two it leads to the current situation we''re in (massive debt). In short, repeal them.- Ducs   no, I would much rather see cuts in spending. ;quote:Original post by capn_midnight  how about instead of raising taxes they cut back on spending. when I''m low on cash, I don''t go to my boss and demand a raise at gun point. Instead, I cut back on how much I am spending on extra stuff like games and eating out.   Of course, but if you cut spending AND get a raise, the debt would be gone even faster. ;quote:Original post by capn_midnight  no, I would much rather see cuts in spending.   Where would he begin to make cuts? The education system is a wreck, veterans have already been screwed over a few times, and cutting defense spending would be counter-productive as we are engaged in a war in Iraq and still continuing military operations in Afghanistan. I would rather see spenging cuts as well if it were fesible. But with the nations current financial state and the upcoming election promises, repealing Bush''s tax cuts will be the only way he can avoid alienating some group.-Ducs ;  Hello All,I am Middle class and I saw a decrease in my taxes, which I enjoyed.Paid off bills.Now I would be in favor of a little less tax cut and more payoff of national debt.But I would be in more favor of cut in spending.The federal government spends way to much money and on a lot of things it is not good at, mamdated to do, or should even be doing it.The states have gotten to use to getting money back form fed.I belive about 40% of all fed tax money goes back to the states to dole out as they se fit but only on things the feds say it can be spent on.Why is the federal government speeding money on:Education, farm sub, and other non-important to a federal government issues?It should spend on:A good defense, veterans issues.Customs / immigration.interstate commerce issues.courts/law enforcements.Education is the states job, framing is a business and not a social program, welfare should be reduce to only those that truly need it and it should be more done by the states then feds.We need federal courts funded properly so legal issue can be settled quickly not like it is now were it years to settle something.Customs / immigration If a country can not control it boarders it is sad state to be in.We need to be able to inspect goods coming in.An immigration and work force issues need to be fully funded, illegal aliens need to be fine and given work papers for one year and if they stay out of trouble extended each year.New immigrate workers who come legally should get 3 year work papers, if they stay out of trouble extended.If any immigrate violates law and is convicted they should get sent back very simple and fair, just fund it.Good defense is just that a good solid defense the ability to protect shipping lanes and air travel routes, fight on two fronts.Veterans should get better help if wounded in service to our country.Interstate commerce: the biggest joc this involves regulation of safety issue and business practices that both protect consumers and business. Building of roads/bridges/airports/seaports are very important to a nation. Have comon laws/regulation is important. But not to much regulations other wise just get costly to push the paper around.If the US gov could just do the things it is mandated to do in the constitution and not extra stuff then more money would be available to the states to tax and spend as they see fit.The whole idea is this.The closer the taxing authority is to the taxie the better the money is usually spent, the better the avg joe has a say in the process, right now only big Lobbyist/corps/groups realy get a say on laws and money. It not a goverment rule by the people in so much as it a gov rule by few groups that say they repersent the people.Lord Bart ;quote:how about instead of raising taxes they cut back on spending. when I''m low on cash, I don''t go to my boss and demand a raise at gun point. Instead, I cut back on how much I am spending on extra stuff like games and eating out.  last time i checked no goverment spent money on gamers nor eating out. im affraid that if you suggest to cut costs, youll have to specify on what, because all of those cuts will have their reprecussions, unlike not buying any games. 