   Help with new system specs!!! (used 2 b Radeon 9000 pro and Geforce 6100 integrated)
  Does anyone know of any comparisons between Radeon 9000 pro and Geforce 6100 integrated graphics?  I'm still getting by on my Radeon 9000 pro, but I was looking at starting up a new rig.  I don't want to buy a new video card right away, and noticed that some of them had a Geforce 6100 card.  Does anyone know of anywhere to find a hard numbers comparison of them?  Does anyone know firsthand which is faster?Some of the data i've seen seems to indicate that the 6100 is actually SLOWER than this what, 8 year old card?  Thanks for any help![Edited by - ktuluorion on June 10, 2006 11:13:40 PM]
  Your observations are indeed correct.  The 6100 integrated graphics chipset will not preform as well for games as a 9000 Pro.  While this may seem odd seeing how old the 9000 Pro is, it really isn't.  The 6100 chipset is NOT meant for gameing rigs.  It is simply to provide low-cost motherboard/VGA combos for Workstations so they are "capable" of running Vista.  I do not think there will be a comparison between these two cards because one is old and the other is integrated graphics.  The real question we should look at is how long you are planning on waiting for that video card?  If it is too long, you might as well wait for intel to release conroe and AMD to release more AM2 processors.  If you want to go S939, you should wait for a bit untill the prices fall more as it is becomeing "obsolete" even though the DDR2 does not provide a preformance advantage unless your processor is 2.4 Ghz+ or posably dual core.   ;  I'm currently running:P4 1.5ghz2 ATA 133 hd'sCD burnerDvd driveRadeon 9000 pro512 megs of PC133 ramThe upgrade I am looking at is this:MSI K8NGM2-L Socket 939 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model VS1GBKIT400 - Retail AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3500BPBOX - Retail And I am still looking at cases/PSU.Anyone know of a good/cheap PSU?So far I am at 260 USD, and I figure that should be a big performance boost for me.   ;Quote:Original post by ktuluorionAnyone know of a good/cheap PSU?Let me warn you now.  "Good" and "Cheap" are NOT compatible in PSUs.  Never.  Ever.  Ever. Buy a 'Cheap' PSU.  EVER.  It will kill other components more often than not.Antec is a leader in Power Supplies and the Sonata II is a pretty good case, retails for $99.00 at Newegg AND has a 450W very solid power supply included in that price.   ;  i'ld downgrade the athlon3500 to say athlon3000 + the money u save get a better graphics card, perhaps a gf6600 they have good price/power ratiosyoull hardly notice the cpu downgrade   ;  Here's something I put together.  Let me know what you think of this idea, it keeps me around $300:MSI MBOX K8NGM2-L AMD Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 FX/Athlon 64/Sempron NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Barebone - Retail CORSAIR ValueSelect 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered System Memory Model VS512MB400 - Retail AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3500BPBOX - Retail ;  That looks about good, but could you splurge and bump back up to a gig of memory.  With integrated graphics, you will loose some of that half-gig and your processor will be hungery without dual channel.  How long do you plan to wait to get your graphics card?  Otherwise your setup looks great.*edit/addition*Now that I think about it though, do you plan on using windows or linux?  Generally speaking you could get buy with the stick of 512 MB until you can grab another one in linux, but I find that windows is a little less forgiving when it comes to memory bandwidth.  You also must consider what you plan on doing.  You probably could get by, but when you grab a new video card, toss in another stick of 512 of the same brand and speed.*addition*On another note why integrated graphics has lackluster preformance is that it uses the system memory.  While this was not a big deal when it was crossing the north bridge, now there is added latiency in that it has to go through the northbridge then up the hypertransport then to the memory controler then back again.  To help this problem, some companies include a small amount of memory next to the integrated graphics (usually 16, 32, or 64 MB).  This in no way fixes the problem, but it helps. It also works on the basic premise of nVidia Turbocache.  It still uses system memory, but sends for stuff before it needs it.  You will survive with integrated for a while, but if you plan on doing ANY gameing OR OpenGL/DX programing, you could use the upgrade.[Edited by - Shae on June 11, 2006 3:57:45 AM];  Hmm.  Maybe i'll check out how much it will be if I bump it up to the 1 gig.  I saw a Geforce 6200 for something like 50 bucks.. maybe i'll get that too.How would a Geforce 6200 compare to my Radeon 9000 pro?Also, I have something like 412 megs of ram now, so even the 512 would be an upgrade.   ;  Well most 6200 works on Turbo Cache, but the VPU is better.  It would work better, but would still use some of the memory.  I am not sure how it would compare with turbocache, but a normal 6200 (make sure for PCI-E) would run AT LEAST on par with the 9000 Pro if not better.  If I had to guess we would probably be looking at about 150% of the preformance of the 9000 Pro.  That would not be a bad choice for a $50 card to hold you over until DX10 settles down after the initial release and some fine tuneing on the parts of the VPU companies.   ;  Hmm I noticed a Geforce 6500 for not much  more.. would that be a better choice?  I guess I'm just not sure what to do.. i'm trying to do this el cheapo.. I have a dying power supply, but I guess technically I can just get a new power supply and live with my hot, power sucking p4.Grr.