   Chemtrails?
  The basic premise:People around the globe are perhaps observing a new kind of trail created by high altitude jets. The phenomenon does not seem to follow accepted norms for jet trails and is neither confirmed or denied by governments even though it is referenced in military and government reports.Contrail: Acronym for CONdensation TRAIL. A cloud-like streamer or trail often seen behind aircraft in clear, cold, or humid air. A vapor trail is created when the water vapor from the engine exhaust gases are added to the atmosphere. These trails traditionally disappear within a few minutes.Chemtrail: Acronym for CHEMical TRAIL. A cloud-like streamer or trail often seen behind aircraft, that typically occurs in situations where contrails are unlikely and exhibit unnatural dynamics for a pure O2 emission. These trails traditionally hang in the air and spread out over many hours.The principle which divides and defines these two forms of trail is that they are so utterly different from one another, even when produced in the same atmospheric conditions, that there has to be another factor involved in the creation of the newer phenomenon of chemtrails.The argument for chemtrails seems to hinge on the fact that they are produced in conditions which are sub-optimal for contrails and yet they act like 'super contrails', hanging in the air and spreading out over many hours. Having said that, there are plenty of websites which refute this theory, by explaining how what is thought to be chemtrails can form in certain atmospheric conditions. however they don't explain why chemtrails are now so common or how they form in very low humidities.If people are interested in researching this further for a discussion their first stop should probably be the chemtrail page on Wikipedia.The page itself seems to be quite fair and presents a selection of highlights and links for further research.I also found a movie: Aerosol Crimes No prizes for guessing what side that's arguing.There's relatively little reported in the press at the moment, although this article by the Las Vegas Tribune is interesting.I'm personally undecided, I don't have enough knowledge in physics, chemistry or atmospherics to disprove the chemtrail theory – unfortunately neither can any expert sites I've visited. I have seen plenty of chemtrail's in the sky over my area, and I've seen chem and con trails being formed at the same time, though quite possibly at different altitudes. I know some folks here may well be qualified to talk about some aspects of the chemistry and physics going on here, so it would be great to discuss it. I'll play devils advocate as I've probably read the most pro-chemtrail stuff that's out there and I expect most people will argue against it.EDIT: fixed em' all. Cheers darookie, I didn't spot the problem.[Edited by - DogCity on June 18, 2006 8:43:22 AM]
Fixed link to videoLink to video (opens in a new window)EDIT: After watching some minutes, I must conclude that this is nothing but Yet Another Conspiracy Theory [smile].[Edited by - darookie on June 18, 2006 9:31:18 AM];  No plane crashed into the pentagon either, it was actually a bomb.[rolleyes]I've seen people attempt to debunk this a number of times but the conspiracy theory people don't care, so I say let them go stare at these contrails out in their crop circles or whatever. I'm much more interested in real conspiracies, like "Iraq has WMDs and we know where they are"...[/runsForCover]   ;Quote:Original post by Cold_SteelI've seen people attempt to debunk this a number of times but the conspiracy theory people don't care, so I say let them go stare at these contrails out in their crop circles or whatever. I'm much more interested in real conspiracies, like "Iraq has WMDs and we know where they are"...[/runsForCover]Ok, do you have an opinion on Chemtrails or do you just assume the theory to be too extreme to consider? What have you found that counters the arguments  chemtrail theorists present?   ;Quote:Original post by darookieFixed link to videoLink to video (opens in a new window)EDIT: After watching some minutes, I must conclude that this is nothing but Yet Another Conspiracy Theory [smile].This video is 1h39 minutes long :oHas anyone completely seen it, what does it say?   ;  Well I watched all of it, it's a shame that the opening is so theatrical as it actually settles down into a reasonably convincing movie. Things of specific note include the results of numerous air quality tests before and after chemtrailing which prove that aluminum and barium particles are present, many multiples above their recommended safe levels.The documentary also draws comparisons between the widely documented start of heavy chemtrailing in 1999/2000 and the rise of respiratory illnesses in the USA from 8th to 5th highest killer in that time period, which is an incredible leap. I'd love to see where these results are taken from...But honestly, whats most confusing to me is my own experience of the phenomenon. In cloudless weather, with low humidity and high temperatures clouds do not spontaneously form. And yet thats exactly what i'm seeing, and is being reported by people every day.[Edited by - DogCity on June 18, 2006 12:02:21 PM];Controversial Experimental Weather Modification Bill in US CongressQuote:U.S. Senate Bill 517 and U.S. House Bill 2995, a bill that would allow experimental weather modification by artificial methods and implement a national weather modification policy, does not include agriculture or public oversight, is on the “fast track” to be passed in 2006....NASA shelves climate satellitesQuote:NASA is canceling or delaying a number of satellites designed to give scientists critical information on the earth's changing climate and environment.The space agency has shelved a $200 million satellite mission headed by a Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor that was designed to measure soil moisture -- a key factor in helping scientists understand the impact of global warming and predict droughts and floods. The Deep Space Climate Observatory, intended to observe climate factors such as solar radiation, ozone, clouds, and water vapor more comprehensively than existing satellites, also has been canceled....;  Found an interesting article on Rense.comAir Traffic Controllers Concerned Over ChemtrailsQuote: First confirmed by Airport Authority Terry Stewart at the Victoria International Airport on Dec. 8, 2000 as a 'joint Canada-U.S. military operation' and stridently denied by senior officers at Canadian Forces Base (where Stewart later told the Vancouver Courier he had received his information) - these multi-plane missions were verified in March, 2001 by the Air Traffic Control (ATC) manager for the northeastern seaboard of the United States.In three taped interviews with this reporter and veteran radio journalist S.T. Brendt, our 'Deep Sky' source said that he had been ordered to divert incoming commercial flights away from USAF tankers spraying s substance that showed up on ATC radars as a 'haze'.These radar returns are the signature of the fine aluminum particles found in laboratory tests of chemtrail-contaminated rain taken in Espanola, Ontario in the summer of 1999. The lab analysis found reflective quartz particles in the chemtrail fallout - and levels of aluminum FIVE TIMES higher than Ontario's maximum permissible health safety standards.It goes on to mention congressional bill HR2977 and the informed position of its author, Dennis Kucinich.Quote:HR2977 is creating a 'buzz in the Air Traffic Control community. Introduced last October by Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, this bill called for the peaceful uses of space, and a ban on 'exotic weapons' . Section 7 of the 'Space Preservation Act of 2001' sought specifically to prohibit 'chemtrails' .Kucinich recently told the Columbus Alive newspaper (Jan. 24, 2002) that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services oversight committee he is well acquainted with chemtrail projects. "The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense - 'Vision for 2020' - that's developing these weapons, Kucinich told reporter Bob Fitrakis. The U.S. Space Command's 2020 vision calls for 'dominance of space, land, sea and air'.I'm basically sold on this now, but why the hell it is so secret? Why have allied countries agreed to this action so unanimously?Well perhaps we will find out when the weather modification bill goes through...   ;  Soooo...Exactly what does this mean?   ;Quote:Original post by deathtrapSoooo...Exactly what does this mean?I was hoping you could answer that. [grin]   