   WWII without US intervention
  I really hated to derail the movie thread, so I started a new one. Since this may be a controversial (or sensitive) subject for some members, if it gets out of control please close it.quote:Original post by Imperil  Considering history shows that the Nazi regime would have fell and the allies would have won eventually anyways due to resources and other conflicts, I wouldn''t really call the US the saviour of the war.  It would have ended just the way it did without the US, although it may have taken a little longer, who knows.Care to elaborate? I''m no WWII scholar, but I don''t think I''ve come across anything written to that effect (other than by zealots whose clear agenda is to diminish any US accomplishment whatsoever). 
  Don''t expect any conclusions to come from this. Somehow even Canada will be made a major factor I''m sure. ;  I don''t know if that is true or not, but I would guess that any history book you''ll find in the US exaggerates the US''s impact on the way. Countries tend to do that for some reason.I''m not saying the US didn''t have any impact, just that the impace was probably less than any US history books states. ;  Well, USSR did get to Berlin first. And they say it was the two-front war plus the russian winter that stopped Hitler. Without the US a lot more lives would have been lost I guess, and who knows where the russians would have stopped.. ;quote:Original post by Woodsman  Don''t expect any conclusions to come from this. Somehow even Canada will be made a major factor I''m sure.   Actually we did quite a bit. Thanks for trying.   Resist everyoneI am your only friend. Click here for more information. (MOVED);I think the numbers speak for themselves. "Tell me who''s the real patriots The Archie Bunker slobs waving flags Or the people with the guts to work For some real change?" -- Dead Kennedys ;  Without intervention the war could have been won by the allies, but at much higher cost. Something like 27,000,00 russians died as it was. The world map would have looked much different afterwards though, with most of Europe under commie control.Of course, you could say that had the war dragged on long enough, the tide could have turned back against the Russians, or the Amerikabomber (along with the nuclear weapon it was intended to carry) could have been completed, which would have been the ultimate disaster for Britain, Russia and America. Luckily Hitler was no military or scientific genius, and decided to focus his resources on even more far-fetched schemes. ;  The Axis might have won if the US absolutly didn''t supply anything at all.  Assuming we did what we were currenlty doing, but not enter the war, the Axis would have lost anyways.They were overstretched on two fronts to begin with and they didn''t have a deciant plan to invade England.  They were burning out already with the invasion of Russia.Another possiblity might be a coup, where the new leaders decided to withdraw slightly.  That might make it possible for them to keep the lands and yet continue to exist.  Then WWII would be a draw, however, I''m going to doubt Russia would allow Germany to keep their lands. ;  indeed, alot of ppl from Canada were involved in the Battle of Britain as fighter pilots, before the US was involved at all,despite something my mum saw recently claiming that American bombers took part in the Battle of Britain....Battle of Britain: 1940US enter war after Japan attack : 1941 ;quote:Original post by _the_phantom_  indeed, alot of ppl from Canada were involved in the Battle of Britain as fighter pilots, before the US was involved at all,despite something my mum saw recently claiming that American bombers took part in the Battle of Britain....Battle of Britain: 1940US enter war after Japan attack : 1941Hmm, how best to answer this...1. American pilots fought in the Battle of Britain2. Bombers are not used to _defend_ places... which was the nature of the battle for the Allies3. And why would your mom see somewhere that US pilots were involved? Oh, maybe because it''s true. 