   how does the RIAA find that info on Kazaa users?
  we all know the RIAA's recent frantic  strategy of scaring off file-sharers is to target and sue individuals and normal kids..but how are they getting these extensive and somewhat detailed lists of users? i mean, sure you can just sit on Kazaa, search for a few songs, look at the names that come up and log them down..but how are they finding out these persons' IP addresses, and full lists of material that the person is sharing? there's no central area (such as a Kazaa center) that they can contact and demand IP's from, or none that i know of..and also, unless an RIAA person actually downloads every copyrighted file off of a user, how can they legally and 100%-definately say the person has these copyrighted works? though it sounds dumb, i could easily make a bunch of empty MP3 files with filenames named after copyrightd materials - like a bunch of empty "Britney Spears" files.. and my last question.. i dont know much about how record labels and the RIAA work completely, so bare with me. does the RIAA have control over every US record label? are they like the FCC, where Record labels must pass through? if not, what if a record label like, say, Drive Thru Records, decided they don't care if people are sharing the music of bands in their label? is that their free will, and none of the RIAA's business? meaning, if JoeUserX was filesharing a bunch of songs from Thrice (a band under Drive Thru Records), could the RIAA include those songs in a lawsuit against someone, or is it up to the discretion of that record label? heh sorry if my questions are ignorant..any info?[edited by - simbiant on July 23, 2003 12:53:19 AM]
  I believe Kazaa has a function to determine the IP of whoever you want. Barring that you could always use netstat to determine the IPs of people connected to you on various ports.Oh, and the determining shared files... Right click on the user -> "Show all of user''s shared files" or something like that. And yes, they couldn''t determine if someone was trading copyrighted information unless they downloaded it, but it is legal for them to download it (they own the copyrights.. I dunno).And the RIAA doesn''t encompass every record label; but it does encompass a whole shitload of them and can act on their behalf. ;  alright i looked up RIAA''s member list and they do indeed include a SHITLOAD of record labels..now what exactly does membership to the RIAA merit? is there any real reason behind it? AFAIK, a record label itself is responsible for the manufacturing of their artists'' albums and what not, so what does the RIAA do for anyone? is it nothing more than some kind of union or something, a way for all of these record labels to have a banded legal stance? ;  The technique for looking it up is simple, all that is necessary is to connect forward the request for the file, and when the connection is established, voila, you get the IP Address.  If you hack the Fast track technology then you can probably query things like that more directly.I think that if people started flooding the network with faux files with the names of legitimate songs it would eliminate their legal stance, however it would also acheive one of their goals which is the disruption of P2P networks.The approach for P2P networks could be to make it a violation of the terms of service to connect to the network with any client other than the official client, and to ban the use of automation on the P2P client; this way the P2P network would have a case for violation of the terms of service against the RIAA. ;  Kazaa == EvilGnutella == EvilRIAA == EvilNapster == Evilin my case they are all Evil;quote:Original post by ChaoticCanuck  The approach for P2P networks could be to make it a violation of the terms of service to connect to the network with any client other than the official client, and to ban the use of automation on the P2P client; this way the P2P network would have a case for violation of the terms of service against the RIAA.   You can still do a netstat and find out the IP of the people you are connecting to, even using the official client.   Height Map Editor | Eternal Lands | Fast User Directory;quote:Original post by QzarBaron  Kazaa == EvilGnutella == EvilRIAA == EvilNapster == EvilBy the symmetric and transitive properties of equality, Kazaa == RIAA.Try again. ;  OMG BeerHunter has figured it out!!! Kazaa == RIAA, thats how they get the info, they figured why not shut down Napster and get everyone on something they control. hehe brilliant. ;quote:You can still do a netstat and find out the IP of the people you are connecting to, even using the official client. True, but without violating the terms of service you would have to do it manually; Sharman Networks could request an accounting of the man hours and contractors who were by invoking the DMCA; since the RIAA has used it they obviously agree with it ;  There are some cases where an EULA can be voided.   ------------------------------------------------------------Timothy Barnes | War Charity | 2003.