   Evil France and Germany at it again...
LinkageMcCain asserts that ALL countries including France and Germany had flawed intelligence concerning Iraq WMD. He is also asserting that he believes   Bush did not distort intelligence.Beliefs... How about some proof one way or the other?!The hand-picked presidential commission to review these alleged intelligence failures is already starting to look like an absolute joke.The investigation is hardly even underway and McCain is from the get-go making grossly inaccurate statements concerning the state of intelligence of other countries even?!?!?!?! This is an insult to the average American''s intelligence. Oh wait. We got intelligence failures all around it seems 
  how do you know they are innacurate statements? who have you been talking to?? SPEAK!!!! ;quote:Original post by capn_midnight  how do you know they are innacurate statements? who have you been talking to?? SPEAK!!!!   How about reading the article. ;  "Beliefs... How about some proof one way or the other?!"Funny you should bring that up right before typing the following: "...and McCain is from the get-go making grossly inaccurate statements..." and "We got intelligence failures all around it seems."Beliefs are all we have until the investigation.  Your beliefs aren't any more viable than anyones else's at this point.  So bite your tongue.BTW, France said this: "It's true that intelligence...has its limits. Knowing how to recognize its limits and find other means is the way to avoid committing mistakes."  Maybe that's a concession to the fact that there were intelligence failures all around?  Or maybe it's an attempt to excuse apathy.  “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)Edited for 2 reasons. Tolerance is a drug.  Sycophancy is a disease. [edited by - fisheyel83l on February 8, 2004 3:50:03 PM];quote:Original post by fisheyel83l    Funny you should bring that up right before typing the following: "...and McCain is from the get-go making grossly inaccurate statements..." and "We got intelligence failures all around it seems."Beliefs are all we have until the investigation.  Your beliefs aren't any more viable than anyones else's at this point.  So bite your tongue.And that's exactly my point!!!McCain above anyone should not be espousing his beliefs  on this matter. He is chaired to head up an investigation.Im free to say and believe what I want... so are you...McCain? no f'in way. Not if he wants Bush's hand-picked investigation to even attempt to pretend that it is impartial and independent.Shall we just all roll over and trust  McCain's belief  that the CIA had a gross intelligence failure while ignoring all the dissenting views within the CIA itself concerning Iraqi WMD?Are we to blindly trust his belief  all of Europe had intelligence failures as well when these countries claim otherwise and were staunchly opposed to war and instead were pushing for more weapons inspections to verify the USA claims?!Are we to trust his belief  the Bush adminstration did not distort intelligence even slightly while ignoring such events as CIA officials complaining of incidents like Cheney pressuring analysts, cherry-picking evidence, and adminstration officials presenting forged documents of uranium purchases to the American public?Why even have an investigation then?Blind trust  in blanket statements like this from McCain just 2 days after the commision was appointed!!!He is presenting conclusions before an investigation has even begun!!!So do you mean bite my tongue?Or do you really mean roll over and blindly believe and trust McCain's statements in what is already starting to look like a political whitewash instead of an independent and impartial investigation?Are you going to roll over and just blindly trust him making statements like this when there have been incidents over the past year presented in the press to refute his statements?quote:Original post by fisheyel83l    BTW, France said this: "It's true that intelligence...has its limits. Knowing how to recognize its limits and find other means is the way to avoid committing mistakes."  Maybe that's a concession to the fact that there were intelligence failures all around?  Or maybe it's an attempt to excuse apathy.  Stretching here a bit.Or maybe its just like the article states?ie France and Germany officials saying that McCain is full of the ol' shiza...BTW I noticed you ignored a question I presented to you in other topic and Ill present it to you once again:quote:Original post by fisheyel83l So now you're calling us hypocritical because we're not helping everyone in the world simultaneously? Because we're not overthrowing every dictator at once? You are aware that the USA has and continues to support certain dictatorships worldwide?Or are you not aware of this?   [edited by - Cyberstorm on February 9, 2004 2:05:07 PM]