   so the 5200 is god's gift to (poor) programers?
  nVidia''s 5200 is fully DirectX 9 compatible with 2.0 Pixel Shaders, right?so you can program all that eye candy, and cause the board was aparently a market flop due to its quite noisy fans, it became a God''s gift to poor programmers, that want a cheap board to program a better pipeline than their gf2/3 [Hugo Ferreira][Positronic Dreams][Colibri 3D Engine][Entropy HL2 MOD]    [Yann  L.][Enginuity]  [Penny Arcade]  [MSDN][VS  RoadMap][Humus][BSPs][UGP][NeHe]The most irrefutable evidence that there is intelligent life in the Universe is that they haven''t contacted us! 
  It has 2.0 shaders, but that doesn''t mean they will be anywheres near real-time while doing it. ;  Yeah, don''t go there. XD I just got myself a 5200 on sale, and...it handles fragment programs so VERY poorly. On my card, my fragment program test runs at about 140fps, but as the scene scales, the FPS increases. On anyone else''s FX card above the 5200, it runs at an even 900-range. It really pissed me off, because I thought I was fill-rate limited, but it turned out to be the 5200''s poor handling of fragment programs. ;  ya, but my point was "Hey I have HW PS2.0!!"... you know, for compilation and lab-development purposes...you guys have to agree that developing engines under powerful gfx boards is easy(er) stuff... i find it great to be able to add a path to the engine for these power-challenged boards...   [Hugo Ferreira][Positronic Dreams][Colibri 3D Engine][Entropy HL2 MOD]    [Yann  L.][Enginuity]  [Penny Arcade]  [MSDN][VS  RoadMap][Humus][BSPs][UGP][NeHe]The most irrefutable evidence that there is intelligent life in the Universe is that they haven''t contacted us! ;  In Brazil:GEFORCE FX 5200 = R$ 360.00, SLOW with shadersGEFORCE 4 TI    = R$ 635.00, FAST w/o shadersAbout 80% of the population gets R$ 240.00 a month...i THINK i will stick with an FX 5200 ;  Can you see if you can find a Radeon 9500 or 9500 Pro? They should be very cheap if you can find one and will be much faster. ;  The 9500 doesnt have PS 2.0 iirc...   [Hugo Ferreira][Positronic Dreams][Colibri 3D Engine][Entropy HL2 MOD]    [Yann  L.][Enginuity]  [Penny Arcade]  [MSDN][VS  RoadMap][Humus][BSPs][UGP][NeHe]The most irrefutable evidence that there is intelligent life in the Universe is that they haven''t contacted us! ;quote:Original post by pentium3id  The 9500 doesnt have PS 2.0 iirc...   [Hugo Ferreira][Positronic Dreams][Colibri 3D Engine][Entropy HL2 MOD]    [Yann  L.][Enginuity]  [Penny Arcade]  [MSDN][VS  RoadMap][Humus][BSPs][UGP][NeHe]The most irrefutable evidence that there is intelligent life in the Universe is that they haven''t contacted us!   The 9500 and higher cards provide ps2 support.   Muhammad Haggag;  Coder, you are correct, i had it confused with the 9200...;  oh no.the Radeon 9600PRO is god''s gift to poor programmers. Runs my per-pixel-lit engine at a hefty 450-odd fps, and cost me something like NZ$290 (which i believe is virtually nothing over there...)FX5200 is evil. slow. crap. slow. slow. slow. I shouldnt be able to buy an nVIDIA card now that runs bf1942 like crap (40fps, when you''re *not* fighting). did i mention slow?ps2.0 gives you what exactly? slower shaders, but 96+ instructions per shader?im sticking with ps1.1 for my development, tbh.... 