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  I would like to thank all the people on this forum who have helped me on what could be somewhat easy subjects.  I just needed a place to start and some obvious tips.  So thank you all, and I''m on track with C++ finding not as hard as i anticipated. Dan 
  hahah my names dan too :-D  even though i dont think i ever helped yah (im learnign too :-D )  your welcome ;  * retard slaps Ademan555 around a bit with a large trout. ;  The hardest part is not learning the basics, the hardest part (for me) was choosing how to design your application/game. Top-down or bottom up? Composition or inheritance? Factories? Singletons? Engine + game or Engine + game dll?It gets crazy a few months down the line. ;  Monty Python style? Classic stuff.Anyway, it''s much better to teach people that want to do some work and fend for themselves, rather than sit on their arse.   "Marge, roads are a suggestion, like pants!" - Homer ;  ah man, i got slapped 