   "Scrooge McDuck Capitalism"
  LOL this is funny. I am wondering why they didn''t make a game that reflects the show more. This article reflects Duck tails show more accurate than any game,but does anyone have any ideas? We need more thinking games. I don''t agree with this 100% and many things are disputable but its interesting read. http://www.freecannon.com/McDuckCapitalism.htm"I’ve never quite understood the psychology of capitalist bashers.  I’ve seen the images of young WTO demonstrators shattering Starbucks windows while wearing Levis and Adidas, drinking Pepsi and coordinating their protests on cell phones.  Who do they think will create their favorite goodies if not capitalists?  Bureaucrats?  Psychic channelers?  The People’s Natural Altruistic Collective Manufacturing Co-op and Poetry Center of Berkeley, California?And then there are those economic pundits with a tray of Scrabble tiles lined up behind their names who characterize the collapse of Enron as “a failure of capitalism.”  But Enron is not capitalism and capitalism is not Enron.Maybe all those people learned their economics by burrowing their heads deep into Karl Marx.  Or John Maynard Keynes.  Some people are just too intellectual for their own good.  I learned about capitalism long before I’d ever heard of “the free market” or “libertarianism”.  I learned everything I ever needed to know in my youth, with my head burrowed deep under the bedcovers, reading Scrooge McDuck comic books by flashlight.  (That was before I discovered Playboy, of course, which would have made this a bunny tail rather than a Duck Tale.)As faltering memory permits, it was the 1950s and the particular storyline in mind went something like this:Donald and his nephews are hoeing weeds in a vegetable garden on Unka Scrooge’s farm.  They look up to see a tornado wrap itself around their rich uncle’s money bin, towering above the skyline of Duckburg.  In seconds, it lifts the building into the air, splits it asunder and rains old McDuck’s obsquamatillion (that’s right, obsquamatillion) dollars onto the citizens below.(For non-McDuckians, the “Richest Duck in the World” doesn’t trust banks.  He keeps all of his money – in the form of coins and bills – in a windowless three cubic acre money bin/skyscraper where he can dive, swim, and otherwise cavort in it, delighting in its tangible as well as its fungible attributes.)“I’m rich,” people cry as the twister rains moola down upon them. “I’ll never have to work again!”  Donald and his nephews, natch, abandon the vegetable patch to pursue their own share of the manna.“Humbug,” mutters Scrooge, who keeps on hoeing.  “They’ll be back.”People abandon their jobs and rush off to spend their newfound fortunes.  One dashes down to a showroom to buy a snazzy new car.  “I don’t have to sell cars anymore,” cries the salesman. “I’m rich!”Others line up at the train station to go on their dream vacations.  (Well, it’s the 50s, remember.)  But the trains aren’t running.  And why should they be?  The crews are rich.  They don’t have to work.“Humbug,” mutters Scrooge, who keeps on hoeing.Soon the grocery stores are empty and people are wandering the streets with millions of McDuck bucks in their pockets and dazed looks on their faces.  Donald and the boys stumble back to the farm, hungry and disillusioned, and take up their abandoned hoes.Then a rumor races through the crowd.  “There’s a farm on the edge of Duckburg that’s still growing food!”“Get ready,” Scrooge warns his nephews.Hundreds of people line up at the farm, money clenched in their three-fingered cartoon fists, standing in front of signs that proclaim (in 1950s dollars) “watermelons $100 ea,” “Carrots $75 per bunch,” “Eggs 1 dz. @ $50 ea.”  (How many remember that’s what the @ symbol used to mean?)Eventually, all returns to normal.  The people of Duckburg go back to work and Scrooge’s money bin is rebuilt, stuffed once again with his obsquamatillion in cash.And that, after all, is the moral of the Duck Tale.  Value resides in productiveness, not in legal tender.  Enron was not a failure of capitalism.  Enron, as Duckburgians learned, was a failure of greed and corruption, and capitalism did precisely what capitalism is supposed to do – it succeeded admirably in punishing greed and corruption with bankruptcy.Yes, it’s a shame that all the Enron worker-ducks were punished along with the big ducks in the big puddle, but that’s yet another lesson: don’t put all your retirement duck eggs in one corporate money bin.  Even the irascible McDuck had a productive farm to fall back on.For simple, readable, easy to understand examples of how the capitalist system actually works (as opposed to how Marx and Keynes claim it works) libertarians laud “Economics in One Lesson” by Henry Hazlitt.  For my money, though, you can’t beat “Capitalism in One Comic Strip” by Scrooge McDuck.- by Garry Reed""Profanity is for those who lack intelligence and imagination to otherwise express them selves." "You are what you repeatedly do; Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." Aristotle  
  It''s funny how no matter what side of an argument you are on you always think of the other side as being ill informed, simple minded, or just ignorant.   "The paths of glory lead but to the grave." - Thomas GrayA Collection of zede''s montages (made without his knowledge or consent);  He''s hardly the only poster on this forum with that attitude  ...But from the look of it, he just copied and pasted it from that website. Yay.   Jesus saves ... the rest of you take damage."A page of history is worth a volume of logic." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes;  Everyone is stupid.Case You''ll never get real capitalizm or real communism anyway. Why bother! Someone will screw it all up eventually.   Christopher S. ''coldacid'' Charabaruk <chrisc*meldstar!com> [website|journal]Meldstar Entertainment - Creation, cubed.Every time I think I''ve heard it all from SCO, they come up with a new howler." Steven Vaughan-Nichols, eWeek ;  Why are you guys bashing the poster?  He just asked what we think of having a game based on the show.  And the article is a good read. ;  The problem is not capitalism, socialism or even communism it's justice. Any system with balanced powers and justice could probably work. Greed is more often on the side of theft than general efficiency, specially when information is not fair (Enron lies) and justice not fair (are you sure the right individuals actually bankrupted after Enron). Capitalism can not be optimal when information is biased by mediatic monopolies and blattant inequities.And the problem is the USA sells a rather efficient capitalism (currently the best system tested so far I admit) but also a justice model in which too often the balance leans toward God $. The problem is that not everything is to buy. Capitalism is amoral, if morality is not above everthing in a society, then it becomes immoral.I personnally don't see much differences between the real capitalist, socialist or communist nomenclaturas. In every case, some guys, belong to a political class and get priviledges against the official laws. They reap benefits without risks and escape to their responsabilities when they fail, give the burden to others.Examples :Bush(1), Chirac(2), Berlusconi(3), Sharon(4), Eltsine/Putin(5), Hussein, etc, etc...Demonstration:The ducks could also sell radioactive food bought for peanuts in TchernoDuck, get the uncle's money back and flee to BananaBurg.  That's where capitalism fails today. The combined world mafias are the main world power by far. Hmm are they a consistant entity ? Sometimes I do frankly wonder.(1) Many obscure sides in the Bush clan. Sold actions right on time, so many times, that's funny. Who named the guys in the courts. He loves his father, I don't know why.(2) Paris generalized corruption system. Deads voted, etc ...(3) ex P2 logia, private relations with big mafiosi(4) Not every rich jew is a crook but some obviously are.(5) Not seeing ex KGB made the new "capitalists" is being blind.(6) Introduced a new concept : food for starvation or gasing.... [edited by - Charles B on February 11, 2004 9:52:46 PM];quote:Original post by bigbadboo  Why are you guys bashing the poster?  He just asked what we think of having a game based on the show.  And the article is a good read.   Bashing comments are expected since people are ignorant and don''t get it. So far no one answer in how to make a game of it. :| Where are the imaginative game developers?Again if people like to bash go to another forum where they have lower a lower IQ. People that bash me just revile who the "ill informed, simple minded, or just ignorant" people are    "Profanity is for those who lack intelligence and imagination to otherwise express them selves." "You are what you repeatedly do; Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." Aristotle  ;quote:Original post by Warsong  quote:Original post by bigbadboo   Why are you guys bashing the poster?  He just asked what we think of having a game based on the show.  And the article is a good read.Bashing comments are expected since people are ignorant and don''t get it.No; you just have a reputation here. You want to start discussion on making a game; get on with it. All you did was copy/paste some article on capitalism with no game-related comments at all. Sorry; not the most intelligent thread on the front page.   Jesus saves ... the rest of you take damage."A page of history is worth a volume of logic." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes;  Charles B I agree with what you mainly said. But would you mind asking what kind of game would reflect and show the course and effect of certain actions or would the designer have to be biased?OldacidEven hear of the saying capitalism in its truest form is evil. Communism sounds good but wasn’t practical due to humans behavior. 23yroldIt was an interesting article which at least 1 person acknowledged it. And it did show that many of the Ducktail games are far off from the show like most games are. And maybe you can answer the original question. And when you say about no game related topic, look at the majority of posts in the lounge that don''t remotely go to games.As for my reputation, it is being misunderstood by people that assume too much. People should look at themselves first since I don''t feel like sitting here and writing a full detailed explanation on why people contradict which I have done before a bit but people seem to forget easily. Anyone here benign? People should be so they won’t assume so much. ;  I think playing games like Civilization or Sim City can be educative. Civ was still a bit caricatural but I admit it was fun trying too win with a monarchy, communism, or fascism. Democracy is too powerful in Civ to make the game really funny.Hmm maybe it's also realistic since a big country that tweaks democracy to serve mainly imperialist goals outside actually rules. Sim City was not really political and it simulated more kenesian style relations in economy. We also have to see how China for instance boosts up continuously with a blend of capitalism and communism (police state).Conclusions :- It would be interesting to separate the commercial and political systems in such simulations. And even more accurately, the concept of fixed classes of political systems is not accurate. Communism products (weapons), democracy makes money, theocracy jihadists ... A bit too simplistic. Why not control the rates of opinion freedom, liberalism, socialism, militarism, imperialism, etc ... French capitslism is not as pure as American capitalism. French politics for instance blend socialism, capitalism, centralism, etc ... American politics blends Keynesianism (NASA, US Army) and laissez faire style capitalism.It could also be funny to change the common concept of the demiurge that governs a whole country. I could also be funny to play the role of various entities struggling to increase their grasp on the society. For instance the religious leader of a community, a Bill Gates, a leader of a an activist group, a chief of a political party, a Bono or Sting, etc... The game would be great if it could simulate the complex interactions of each parameter and the intricate rules of buisiness and politics behind the screen.That's where Scrooge and other funny characters could come into play. Make the simulation more vivid with a part of cartoon role playing and defined personnalities. Anyway a simulation can only be a caricature of real life.   [edited by - Charles B on February 12, 2004 6:51:53 AM]