   how to have both an OGL output window AND a command line ouput window?
  Those of you who have used GLUT know what i mean. You would have both the 3D window and the "dos prompt" window. i'm putting togther somethingwith no GLUT this time. just the standard gl libs and binding to a windowsdevice context. is it possible to set up a second one? linux has me kinda spoiled on having as many output windows as you care to set up and i see nothing like that in windows. ok, i'm babbling.(thanks guys)   
  Link your program in the console subsystem and it'll automatically have a console window. Console programs can also create normal windows. Alternately you can call AllocConsole() to create a console window for a normal Windows program.   ;  sweet...console popped up nicely!printf didn't seem to notice it, though.is there a special handle or something?;http://www.halcyon.com/~ast/dload/guicon.htm;  lol was just about to declare finding that verty article. thx guys its working great now.   