   "Now hiring" posts
  Does anyone else think that "now hiring" posts are deceiving when the OP isn't actually promising any compensation at all, instead promising compensation when (and IF) he makes any money from the project? My personal preference would be that no one should be able to say that they're HIRING unless there is guaranteed compensation.   
  If the OP is being honest, then I'm failing to see the deception. It's a job like any other, is it not? Or are you saying none of us here take this seriously? By your logic, nobody on here who is not currently at this time working for a professional game development studio and is not currently at this time hiring persons for a project for said studio where they will receive a paycheck and a W-2 should be allowed to state they are hiring anyone for anything. I'll be sure to alert the media at my earliest convenience.   ;Quote:Original post by jester727It's a job like any other, is it not?It is not. There's no guarantee of any payment; it's effectively an investment opportunity, not a job.   ;  I do think it would be nice to have a different set of terminology.[PAID NOW] vs [PAID LATER]   ;Quote:Original post by superpigQuote:Original post by jester727It's a job like any other, is it not?It is not. There's no guarantee of any payment; it's effectively an investment opportunity, not a job.I see your point. A fine distinction between "labor", "work", and "job".   ;Quote:Original post by TheBuzzSawI do think it would be nice to have a different set of terminology.[PAID NOW] vs [PAID LATER]/edit lol misread it, I completely agree with you!   ;  When you are "hired" I think most people tend to think they will be paid for their work.  And 99% of the time revenue sharing means you are spliting zero dollars.  So I do think that indie teams that say they are hiring is a bit misleading.   ;  Agreed that there needs to be better clarification on compensation.But there are much more important things that the Help Wanted forum needs:1. Moderator review before the thread can be seen by the public (will remove a lot of the clutter)2. Less threads with impossible demands/expectations.3. Less threads with virtually 0% chance of success4. etc.P.S. This isn't the right forum for this thread.   ;Quote:Original post by jtagge75When you are "hired" I think most people tend to think they will be paid for their work.  And 99% of the time revenue sharing means you are spliting zero dollars.  So I do think that indie teams that say they are hiring is a bit misleading.Eh, I see your point, and it's definitely a valid one, but there's also the point of morale. Getting the team pumped, fired, and excited. There's a huge difference between joining a project where all you have to do is sign up, and joining a project that ISN'T just accepting any bloke who walks through the door.It's like joining a band. Garage bands sign up anybody who shows up to tryouts because they're just thrilled you actually showed up! But the serious guys will turn dozens of guys away before they pick their people because they want to make sure that what they're turning out (their "produce") isn't just another group of guys banging on their instruments in a garage somewhere. These guys want more than the dubious honor of being able to say "Oh yeah, I was in a band, we rocked too! But uhh... you probably never heard of us..." These are the guys looking to make serious music. So when these guys say "You're hired!" they may not be slapping cash in your palm on the spot, but you bet your ass it means something. And it's something to be proud of.Back to the original point of the topic, however... No, I don't believe it is deceitful as long as the OP is upfront about it. If they're claiming to be hiring people and get you all excited about the job and then wait until after you've signed the NDA to tell you you're not getting paid until the project is finished, then yeah, I'd say that ain't right. But as long as the guy's saying it right up front, saying it often, and not bullshitting anybody about it, then where is the deceit?   ;Quote:Original post by HardchargerAgreed that there needs to be better clarification on compensation.But there are much more important things that the Help Wanted forum needs:1. Moderator review before the thread can be seen by the public (will remove a lot of the clutter)2. Less threads with impossible demands/expectations.3. Less threads with virtually 0% chance of success4. etc.P.S. This isn't the right forum for this thread.Agreed. Though this thread is discussing the help wanted forum, it's not actually pertaining to a project wanting people or a person offering services.   