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  I just completed my tax returns, both State and Federal. I owe $254 for Federal taxes and $0 for state. Not too bad, I guess, but it stil lhurts to pay. I could have done a lot with $254, considering I only made $4101 this year... On impulse I googled for "Why federal income tax is unconstitutional", and I got some mighty interesting resultis. The most interesting would be this page.quote: The so-called 16th Amendment legalizing income tax was most probably never fully ratified and therefore does not exist. But even if it does, two Supreme Court cases ruled it moot. The 16th Amendment is nothing more than double talk. The IRS operates on 90 percent bluff. But that is only the first part. 3In addition, there is no law that requires you to pay income tax if you are a United States citizen living and working in the United States. (Employment by the federal government may be an exception.)5 Recently I learned that it is most probable that the IRS has no legal authority to enforce. That really put those crooks in the dictator''s throne.6Now consider this: With no law to enforce, without warrant or even notice, heavily armed IRS swat teams break, enter, seize, terrify, abduct and jail. They leave familes economically destitute. To add insult to injury, judges enforce a law that does not exist and put citizens in prison. Is this on the level? I swear, once I win the lotto and have a couple hundred million under my belt I''m hiring accountants, and I''m auditing the feds..   News Flash! Typhoon Rips through Cemetery; Hundreds DeadPointlessness
  My parents are getting $6,000 back, of which $1,000 might go towards a computer for me.Sorry, I can't answer your question. I just felt like bragging.  "Next time a terrorist gets freed after ten months of red tape, I’ll be sure to thank [the democrats]. I guarantee you that if someone is put in prison with the Patriot Act, even in the rare chance they are not a terrorist or have connections to terrorism, they are sure as hell guilty of something." -- A True Die-Hard American Patriot   [edited by - Mscgamer on February 14, 2004 6:45:56 PM];  TaxACT didn''t tell me that I would get any returns. ;  Consider yourself lucky, in belgium you lose 50% of your income and pay 13% tax on everything you buy.   [edited by - Boops on February 14, 2004 6:47:34 PM];  Hmm. I always get a refund, plus my three-month GST checks. Dunno how those taxes are calculated (in the states or here in Caanda) though. How much do school fees and donations help?   Jesus saves ... the rest of you take damage."A page of history is worth a volume of logic." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes;  The Supreme Court has no power to overturn constitutional amendments.  And this ruling was apparently 90 years ago, and nobody''s questioned it since.If there were a case, don''t you think somebody would have made it at some point int he last 90 years?  I''ll look it up, but I''ll just short of guarentee there''s some serious misunderstanding of the rulings in question.CM ;quote:Original post by Conner McCloud The Supreme Court has no power to overturn constitutional amendments.  And this ruling was apparently 90 years ago, and nobody's questioned it since.If there were a case, don't you think somebody would have made it at some point int he last 90 years?  I'll look it up, but I'll just short of guarentee there's some serious misunderstanding of the rulings in question.CM   Actually, there was a FedEx pilot who didn't pay her income taxes for a number of years, the IRS sued her, and she won. I believe this happened last year. It's a shame that I cannot remember her name.Edit: Vernice Kuglin. Look it up.quote:Jury acquits pilot, who questioned IRS, of tax-evasion counts By Shirley Downingdowning@gomemphis.comAugust 9, 2003 A federal jury Friday found FedEx pilot Vernice Kuglin not guilty of evading income taxes on $920,000. The question of tax payment was unresolved at the end of the five-day trial. "I think it is safe to assume the IRS will attempt civil collection, but she is not guilty of tax evasion," said defense attorney Robert Bernhoft of Milwaukee. "I feel justified," a grinning Kuglin said after the verdict was returned at mid--afternoon. She stood outside the federal building, chatting with supporters and jurors. Federal prosecutor Joe Murphy was not available for comment. Kuglin, 58, was charged with six counts of tax evasion that could have meant up to 30 years in prison and $1.5 million in fines. The government accused Kuglin of filing false W4 forms for the period from 1996 to 2001. Kuglin, a pilot for FedEx since 1985, said she had paid taxes like anyone else for most of her life. But about 10 or 11 years ago, she began to question the federal tax system. She began to read court documents, legal opinions and the federal tax code. She said she found what she felt were contradictions. She wanted to know where in the federal tax code it said she was liable for taxes. Kuglin wrote the Internal Revenue Service twice in 1995 with questions but said she didn't get a response. Murphy, in closing arguments on Thursday, said Kuglin did have an opportunity to discuss her situation with the IRS, to learn what she owed and what documents she was required to file "and she didn't." Defense attorney Larry Becraft of Huntsville, Ala., said Kuglin decided mandatory payment of income taxes "did not apply to her." After the verdict Friday, Becraft said the federal tax code is a confusing conglomeration that "at best is a walking due process violation." He said the average American simply doesn't understand the tax code. Juror Barbara Snodgras of Memphis said the jury did not convict because "we all felt that the prosecution didn't prove its case." When asked if she planned to start paying federal income taxes again, Kuglin replied: "I will pay all the taxes for which I am liable.""Next time a terrorist gets freed after ten months of red tape, I’ll be sure to thank [the democrats]. I guarantee you that if someone is put in prison with the Patriot Act, even in the rare chance they are not a terrorist or have connections to terrorism, they are sure as hell guilty of something." -- A True Die-Hard American Patriot [edited by - Mscgamer on February 14, 2004 6:58:44 PM];  Thanks mscgamer! I''ve heard of people not filing before, I''ll do some additional research. ;  BTW, what does everyone here pay out for taxes? ;quote:Original post by Katta    Thanks mscgamer! I've heard of people not filing before, I'll do some additional research.   No problem.   Edit: The interesting part of the Vernice Kuglin case is that the IRS never answered her letters. What does that tell you? What's even more interesting is that you won't find a single article on CNN, Fox, etc. that even mentions the case or Vernice Kuglin. Certainly the fact that the IRS could not convince a jury that the Federal Tax Code requires a U.S. citizen to pay income taxes is newsworthy."Next time a terrorist gets freed after ten months of red tape, I’ll be sure to thank [the democrats]. I guarantee you that if someone is put in prison with the Patriot Act, even in the rare chance they are not a terrorist or have connections to terrorism, they are sure as hell guilty of something." -- A True Die-Hard American Patriot    [edited by - Mscgamer on February 14, 2004 7:22:39 PM]