Did anyone get why he used play action almost every single play in the second half?
Isn't play action a lot more effective when you establish a running game?

grandllama

10-31-2004, 08:37 PM

Did anyone get why he used play action almost every single play in the second half?
Isn't play action a lot more effective when you establish a running game?

We were talking about that in our section, and our kids up front were biting almost every time... Mannings the only QB in the league that doesn't need a running game to setup the PA

RedNFeisty

10-31-2004, 09:22 PM

Screw you biotch! You gotta a lot of nerve pulling for Manning! you biotch!

Screw you, you little pussy!

Tuckdaddy

10-31-2004, 09:56 PM

GET THE HELL OUTTA MY CITY!

VonneMarie

10-31-2004, 10:03 PM

Get the steppin' bitch!

|Zach|

10-31-2004, 10:10 PM

I love him walking off the field with a loss. I don't like him getting a billion yards in the process. I also wish we could have gotten a sack.

But a dubya is a dubya and I like dubyas.

gblowfish

10-31-2004, 10:26 PM

I blame Manning's game ending interception on the pending Halloween spectre of Gunther in the shower...

"Peyton.....Peyton....pass me a towel Peyton...."

Peyton runs screaming into the Halloween night!!

tk13

10-31-2004, 10:27 PM

Gah, nightmares. Get that picture off my computer screen.

Pants

10-31-2004, 10:33 PM

Jesus. :eek:

Can it get any higher than that?

I think he was 158.3 (perfect) once or twice last season...

He was 10 points off this time. A few completed passes away from perfection.

Rausch

10-31-2004, 10:57 PM

"I can't stop this feeel-ling....."

Logical

10-31-2004, 10:57 PM

Let's just say that Manning was not using his head toward the end of the game. Didya see him want to go for 4th and 8? Dungy had to squash him on that idea.

Not that it made one tiny bit of difference in the end. Heh Heh..

:DWho here will be honest and admit they were breathing a sigh of relief when Dungy pulled Manning and punted?

I know I did.

OldTownChief

10-31-2004, 11:06 PM

Who here will be honest and admit they were breathing a sigh of relief when Dungy pulled Manning and punted?

I know I did.

I did too.

go bo

10-31-2004, 11:07 PM

Who here will be honest and admit they were breathing a sigh of relief when Dungy pulled Manning and punted?

I know I did.[raising hand slowly] i guess i will...

even though we were ahead, i kept thinking we better keep scoring every time because manning could bring 'em back any time...

damn, this win feels good!!!! :D :D :D

Frazod

10-31-2004, 11:07 PM

Who here will be honest and admit they were breathing a sigh of relief when Dungy pulled Manning and punted?

I know I did.

Hell yes. Odds are he would have gotten it.

ASS11

10-31-2004, 11:12 PM

Who here will be honest and admit they were breathing a sigh of relief when Dungy pulled Manning and punted?

I know I did.

Yeah. But it was great seeing Manning get that "whiny frustrated crybaby" expression on his face.

BUT COOOOOACH...I CAN DOOOO IT! WAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Rausch

10-31-2004, 11:13 PM

damn, this win feels good!!!! :D :D :D

Oh, OH it feels goooooooooooood...

stumppy

10-31-2004, 11:24 PM

Screw you, you little pussy!

You tell him girl!!

Coltsinsider

10-31-2004, 11:35 PM

I wouldn't exactly say that you owned Manning at all, he threw 5td passes and 476 yards on your asses. Our defense simply stepped out of the way and so you won.

Rausch

10-31-2004, 11:36 PM

I wouldn't exactly say that you owned Manning at all, he threw 5td passes and 476 yards on your asses. Our defense simply stepped out of the way and so you won.

We tried to say the same thing last year.

No one listened.

Sucks, don't it?...

|Zach|

10-31-2004, 11:37 PM

We tried to say the same thing last year.

No one listened.

Sucks, don't it?...
ROFL ROFL

Soooo true.

Demonpenz

10-31-2004, 11:41 PM

I wouldn't exactly say that you owned Manning at all, he threw 5td passes and 476 yards on your asses. Our defense simply stepped out of the way and so you won.

You mean Woods stepped in and took it away :)

tk13

10-31-2004, 11:41 PM

We tried to say the same thing last year.

No one listened.

Sucks, don't it?...
ROFL We shut down the run! All hail Gunther, destroyer of the run!

Coltsinsider

10-31-2004, 11:41 PM

G'night then, I don't think I've been this insulted here on this forum before. I don't appreciate it, and see no reason for this thread. I have been respectful in the four years I have been here, and seldomly posted unless I had a reason.

I'll be taking my kick ball and going home now.

Demonpenz

10-31-2004, 11:44 PM

Don't worry insider i am sure you can have fun knowing that manning will probably be AFC O player of the week.

Rausch

10-31-2004, 11:46 PM

G'night then, I don't think I've been this insulted here on this forum before. I don't appreciate it, and see no reason for this thread. I have been respectful in the four years I have been here, and seldomly posted unless I had a reason.

I'll be taking my kick ball and going home now.

We've got nearly 20 years of frustration to throw off...and today, We are teh Champ-yons111!

Frazod

10-31-2004, 11:47 PM

G'night then, I don't think I've been this insulted here on this forum before. I don't appreciate it, and see no reason for this thread. I have been respectful in the four years I have been here, and seldomly posted unless I had a reason.

I'll be taking my kick ball and going home now.
1. The thread isn't insulting you, assuming your name isn't Peyton Manning. I can't speak for any of the posts within it. however.

2. The Colts have ended two of our three past postseasons. If you can't understand why we don't like them, well...

the Talking Can

10-31-2004, 11:47 PM

G'night then, I don't think I've been this insulted here on this forum before. I don't appreciate it, and see no reason for this thread. I have been respectful in the four years I have been here, and seldomly posted unless I had a reason.

I'll be taking my kick ball and going home now.

I see lots of people insulting Manning...but who is insulting you?

Don't take it personally that we laugh at Manning crying himself off the field after ending the game with an interception.

the Talking Can

10-31-2004, 11:49 PM

besides, if you're really leaving then you have to start another thread titled "I'm leaving for good, honest"...we have traditions around here and we take them seriously

go bo

10-31-2004, 11:54 PM

besides, if you're really leaving then you have to start another thread titled "I'm leaving for good, honest"...we have traditions around here and we take them seriouslyespecially for fans of horsie teams, like frazod says... :p :p :p

digi2fish

11-01-2004, 12:56 AM

well
I'm not hating Manning,
but THIS THREAD ROCKS !!!!
ROFL

Cannibal

11-01-2004, 01:11 AM

:spock:

Somebody had a few frosty beverages during the game.

Lucky bastard.

You are correct on both accounts.

Cannibal

11-01-2004, 01:13 AM

Screw you, you little pussy!

I am going to let that slide because I started it.

You're lucky though.

Ari Chi3fs

11-01-2004, 01:32 AM

this thread is hall of fame material

Wile_E_Coyote

11-01-2004, 02:22 AM

cruel

the Thirstand Long Halloween sketch mpeg would be sweet right now

...here Manning & Wayne have a couple of candy chokers

Bowser

11-01-2004, 07:17 AM

We've got nearly 20 years of frustration to throw off...and today, We are teh Champ-yons111!

:LOL:

dred

11-01-2004, 07:25 AM

This thread is both retarded and gay.

I do agree that Manning is a salary cap hogging douche tho.

:banghead:

Skip Towne

11-01-2004, 07:42 AM

his is almost as good as thumping Elway.

CosmicPal

11-01-2004, 08:14 AM

1. The thread isn't insulting you, assuming your name isn't Peyton Manning. I can't speak for any of the posts within it. however.

2. The Colts have ended two of our three past postseasons. If you can't understand why we don't like them, well...

Damn right Fraz!!

Peyton has been raping Arrowhead for too long now. To see the Chiefs win over Peyton is the equivalent of Anna Kournakova feeding me a big, fat juicy steak with all the sides, a cold frosty beer, and then chasing her naked arse around my house with a can of whipped cream.

That's how good it feels to see the look on Manning's childish face when they had to punt- but, more so when he walked off the field a defeated loser. Any win is sweet, but this win is the sweetest of all- for now.

RedNFeisty

11-01-2004, 08:20 AM

I am going to let that slide because I started it.

You're lucky though.

See, told ya'll Cannibal was a pussy!! :p

Feeling better this morning Cannibal!?!

Calcountry

11-01-2004, 12:10 PM

I wouldn't exactly say that you owned Manning at all, he threw 5td passes and 476 yards on your asses. Our defense simply stepped out of the way and so you won.
Our Defense stopped you in the first half.

If it wasn't for a Holmes fumble and a Ref assisted Colts drive, it would have been a fuggin blowout.

I can play that woulda shoulda game too.

Calcountry

11-01-2004, 12:11 PM

G'night then, I don't think I've been this insulted here on this forum before. I don't appreciate it, and see no reason for this thread. I have been respectful in the four years I have been here, and seldomly posted unless I had a reason.

I'll be taking to licking ball's at home now.
Bye bye.

The Bad Guy

11-01-2004, 12:16 PM

I wouldn't exactly say that you owned Manning at all, he threw 5td passes and 476 yards on your asses. Our defense simply stepped out of the way and so you won.

It's fairly easy to throw for that many yards when you don't handoff once in the 2nd half, dickhead.

Your defense simply sucks balls, much like you.

Bob Dole

02-05-2006, 08:59 PM

Since Rich Gannon retired, Peyton Manning is the clear choice.

Lzen

02-05-2006, 09:19 PM

I don't get it.

Bwana

02-05-2006, 10:30 PM

Heh!

Chiefs Pantalones

02-05-2006, 10:33 PM

When the Chiefs play the Panthers next year in the Super Bowl, I wonder if Brady will do the coin toss? Or maybe it will be one of the Mannings, or Vick...

ROYC75

02-05-2006, 10:35 PM

I don't get it.

I don't think Manning gets it either............

Guru

02-05-2006, 10:37 PM

When the Chiefs play the Panthers next year in the Super Bowl, I wonder if Brady will do the coin toss? Or maybe it will be one of the Mannings, or Vick...

Will never happen for Peyton. You have to win a SB to toss that coin in one.

ferrarispider95

02-05-2006, 11:33 PM

We should all thankful that the colts and broncos did not make it to the superbowl. It I had to hear about plummer or peyton for 2 weeks, I would of had to go postal

Thig Lyfe

02-12-2009, 05:12 PM

Who would be the better player?

88TG88

02-12-2009, 05:12 PM

Steve Deberg

Ultra Peanut

02-12-2009, 05:34 PM

DT kind of has a major obstacle in front of him that Manning doesn't have.

Thig Lyfe

02-12-2009, 07:03 PM

DT kind of has a major obstacle in front of him that Manning doesn't have.

Yeah, that's why I said Manning on the other thread because Pioli is strictly against the type of voodoo that would make Thomas a viable draft choice.

Let's just say that in this hypothetical, both players are alive and in peak physical condition.

Gonzo

02-12-2009, 07:36 PM

DT would be the obvious choice here. That's just due to his sheer awesomeness. DT didn't pass away, he's alive and well and teaching Chuck Norris how to be as awesome as he is. That's why he had to fake his death, teachings of that caliber require 20 years of concentration and study. Have you noticed that we haven't heard from Chuck in a while? He was required to finish his show, WTR by DT as an audition.

Every morning Chuck gets up and kisses DT's toes, he then drinks 1 oz of DT's sweat for energy, you may know this beverage as 5 hour energy, it's extremely diluted though because 1 oz of DT's sweat would kill a polar bear.

Thig Lyfe

02-01-2010, 11:30 PM

Would the Colts be in the Super Bowl if Peyton played LB?

salame

02-01-2010, 11:32 PM

well manning runs like he is wearing concrete shoes

MoreLemonPledge

02-01-2010, 11:33 PM

I don't think that the Colts would be in the Superbowl if Manning wasn't alive.

Oh, positions on the field...

That's just silly.

KCrockaholic

02-01-2010, 11:36 PM

I pick....Jason Dunn as our Rushbacker.

POND_OF_RED

02-01-2010, 11:42 PM

I'm going to have to go with Manning being a better LB'er. He has great field awareness so I think he could read the offense pretty well. Maybe not be the most athletic LB to step onto the field but he wouldn't look lost out there either. As far as DT goes I just think it was a part of his DNA to always try and kill the QB so he would have broken his own leg before the game even began.

MoreLemonPledge

02-01-2010, 11:51 PM

WHAT IF GANDHI AND HITLER SWITCHED POSITIONS?

KcMizzou

02-01-2010, 11:53 PM

My brain hurts.

KCrockaholic

02-01-2010, 11:57 PM

What if your hurt, brain.

Who is better?

KcMizzou

02-02-2010, 12:01 AM

What if your hurt, brain.

Who is better?Exactly. The WHOLE thing.

Thig Lyfe

02-02-2010, 12:09 AM

WHAT IF GANDHI AND HITLER SWITCHED POSITIONS?

Make a poll!

CoMoChief

02-02-2010, 02:03 AM

God this is a ****ing awesome thread!!!!!

Hey who would be better at ****ing a monkey, the tooth fairy? or Batman???? and why (please....in detail)

Thig Lyfe

02-02-2010, 02:21 AM

God this is a ****ing awesome thread!!!!!

Hey who would be better at ****ing a monkey, the tooth fairy? or Batman???? and why (please....in detail)

Eat my farts, pal!

I can't remember for sure, but I'm pretty sure this thread was a parody of Hootie's "what if Tom Brady and Peyton Manning switched teams" hypothetical he always brings up. SO YEAH THIS THREAD IS PRETTY FUCKING AWESOME

I stayed up late last night and watched the post game show, and then SportsCenter after the Fiesta Bowl last night. They had a small segment with Mannings reaction to the firing of Polan yesterday, and he does not seem happy at all with that decision.

...in which he was asked on a couple of occasions about being drafted by the Colts and what he would think about playing with Manning.

It may be just my opinion, but Luck does not seem to be any more excited about playing with Manning than Archie Manning seems about Luck playing with Peyton.

Maybe not noteworthy, but this does not seem like a match made in heaven before the serious dating period begins.

MoreLemonPledge

01-03-2012, 08:18 AM

He sounds like a Muppet.

Carlota69

01-03-2012, 08:25 AM

He sounds like a Muppet.

I gather that The Colts may trade their pick. I wouldnt be surprised if the 2nd pick (STL) was worth trading too, with Luck and RG3 in the draft.

Straight, No Chaser

01-03-2012, 08:26 AM

...

And then there was this interview with Andrew Luck...

It may be just my opinion, but Luck does not seem to be any more excited about playing with Manning than Archie Manning seems about Luck playing with Peyton...

Yea, but you still draft him. He's smart and has all the tools. Aaron Rodgers probably didn't like the Farve either.

MoreLemonPledge

01-03-2012, 08:26 AM

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/6/66/Fozzie-bear.jpg

Coogs

01-03-2012, 08:31 AM

Yea, but you still draft him. He's smart and has all the tools. Aaron Rodgers probably didn't like the Farve either.

Yeah, I know. Just kind of thought Luck's body language and eyes kind of threw out the impression that he would rather not go there to be in that situation.

Molitoth

01-03-2012, 08:32 AM

Colts will draft Luck and drop Manning.

JD10367

01-03-2012, 08:32 AM

There is no "Manning and Luck". It's Manning OR Luck. And, either way, the Colts are set. Luck = 10+ more years of franchise QB. No Luck = boatload of picks to rebuild.

Coogs

01-03-2012, 08:34 AM

There is no "Manning and Luck". It's Manning OR Luck. And, either way, the Colts are set. Luck = 10+ more years of franchise QB. No Luck = boatload of picks to rebuild.

I think that too, but the questions were "and" situations instead of "or" situations.

Mr_Tomahawk

01-03-2012, 08:36 AM

You can't read too much into that post game interview.

He just lost a bowl game.

He just lost his final game in College.

He just played his final game with Stanford.

Ya think any of that played any part with hi demeanor on camera?

Straight, No Chaser

01-03-2012, 08:37 AM

Yeah, I know. Just kind of thought Luck's body language and eyes kind of threw out the impression that he would rather not go there to be in that situation.

After watching most of the game last night, I missed the overtime deal. He was probably upset it ended badly for the Cardinal.

Coogs

01-03-2012, 08:40 AM

You can't read too much into that post game interview.

Oh, I agree. But at the same time... :shrug:

Baby Lee

01-03-2012, 08:41 AM

Yeah, I know. Just kind of thought Luck's body language and eyes kind of threw out the impression that he would rather not go there to be in that situation.

Seemed more like he wasn't enthused about discussing possible future professional controversies that may or may not come to pass moments after a close and emotional loss.

Like if Michael Cera lost a family member and the press took the opportunity to ask about the Arrested Development movie.

Chiefnj2

01-03-2012, 08:50 AM

He's afraid Archie is going to go all Tonya Harding on his knee.

Extra Point

01-03-2012, 09:11 AM

Fat bonus for a healthy Manning? Irsay had splendid timing to announce that. Peyton Manning will retire, Luck will be the Colts QBOTF.

65TPT

01-03-2012, 09:20 AM

I have a feeling Manning will go where Polian goes.

wutamess

01-03-2012, 09:24 AM

WTF's wrong with his eyes when he talks?

MoreLemonPledge

01-03-2012, 09:30 AM

WTF's wrong with his eyes when he talks?

He's got "BRO I TOTALLY KILLED A TWELVER OF CORONA" eyes.

loochy

01-03-2012, 09:32 AM

I have a feeling Manning will go where Polian goes.

out with the pioli, in with the piolian?

eazyb81

01-03-2012, 09:33 AM

Colts will draft Luck and drop Manning.

Yep. It is obvious.

65TPT

01-03-2012, 09:38 AM

out with the pioli, in with the piolian?

That's the plan. Planning for Manning.

Detoxing

01-03-2012, 10:31 AM

Hrmmm....Rams pick #2 eh? Sounds like a good place for the Rams to trade back.

Chiefnj2

01-03-2012, 10:39 AM

If you are the Rams you flip with Cleveland for their 2 first rounders this year and maybe a 2nd next year. Let Cleveland take RGIII and you still get Kalil or Blackmon (whoever Minnesota doesn't take).

Andrew Luck might want to consult a former Stanford QB legend about how to handle the NFL draft.

Twenty-nine years ago, John Elway refused to play for Bob Irsay’s Colts, forcing a trade to the Denver Broncos. Luck, Stanford’s latest can’t-miss passer, may want to avoid playing for Jim Irsay’s Colts, the team with the top pick in the 2012 draft.

That is not written to analogize Irsay father to Irsay son in regards to football ownership. Jim Irsay, while quirky, has established a solid reputation as an NFL owner and restored a measure of respectability to a last name best known for a midnight abandonment of Baltimore.

Nope. Luck should consider avoiding Irsay and the Colts to avoid the seemingly inevitable bad fate that awaits the franchise.

Indiana’s football bubble is bursting.

I’m a Hoosier. I was born and raised in Indianapolis. I was a high school junior when the Mayflower trucks Bob Irsay rented arrived in Naptown, delivering the Colts from Baltimore. I attended the draft party when the Colts made my high school teammate Jeff George the top pick of the 1990 draft. I know the history of the state and the Indianapolis Colts.

For 15 years, I’ve watched in stunned disbelief as Peyton Manning transformed Indiana from a basketball state to a football state.

I say it’s over. I say it’s not a coincidence that the Manning era is crumbling in the same year my little hometown is hosting the Super Bowl. The whole thing is playing out like a movie script, a comedic satire. It’s Trading Places, and I’m Billy Ray Valentine with inside information on when it’s time to “sell, sell, sell.”

On Monday, Jim Irsay justifiably and appropriately fired the best football executive in league history, Bill Polian. Polian built the four-time Super Bowl-qualifier Buffalo Bills. He turned the expansion Carolina Panthers into instant contenders. He had success in the Canadian Football League. He drafted Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. Polian acquired Tony Dungy to get the Colts over the Super Bowl hump.

Polian had to be fired. He installed his inept son as general manager and he built a roster and coaching staff that were too reliant on Peyton Manning. Polian had to go. The Colts’ lack of preparedness for Manning’s absence due to injury and Manning’s new contract were fireable offenses.

So the Colts lose a man I regard as the best in the business. It now also appears the Colts will lose the man some regard as the best quarterback to ever lace up a pair of cleats. Manning’s uninjured neck isn’t walking back in Lucas Oil Stadium. If Manning ever returns to the playing field, it’s difficult to imagine him returning to his all-world form.

In the year my hometown is host to the crown jewel in sports, the Colts lose the NFL’s top personnel man and are likely to lose the top QB. This is fate. The Colts are toast.

Jim Irsay is starting from scratch. Can he find another Bill Polian?

Again, I’m not bad-mouthing Jim Irsay. I’m saying fate is at work. Indiana’s football bubble is bursting. The Hoosier state is returning to its basketball roots.

As I’ve mentioned in previous columns, Manning’s ascension in Indiana coincided with Bob Knight’s departure from Indiana University, the Ron Artest-induced fall of the Indiana Pacers and the destruction of single-class high school basketball.

Is it a coincidence that in the same year my little hometown hosts the Super Bowl, the Indiana Hoosiers knock off the No. 1 and No. 2 teams in college basketball in a span of three weeks? Tom Crean’s Hoosiers just happen to become relevant at the same time the Colts finish 2-14.

Have I mentioned that Larry Bird has built the deepest, most versatile Pacers team since the late 1990s teams he coached deep into the playoffs and all the way to the NBA Finals? Yeah, the Pacers are relevant again. They’re 4-1 and a point-guard-upgrade from being a serious title contender.

I love football. I played college football. But I’m a Hoosier. We’re basketball people. This Peyton Manning-Bill Polian-Tony Dungy thing never really made sense in Indiana. It can’t be sustained. Manning, Polian and Dungy were great imports. We produce Oscar Robertsons and Larry Birds naturally.

Suck for Luck was a nice little campaign, but smart Hoosiers really want to see Eric Gordon come home, wear the Pacers blue and gold and rekindle memories of Reggie Miller.

Someone warn Andrew Luck that Indy’s football era is dead. It’s time for “Boom, baby!”

#1 seems like the obvious thing to do. #2 would net a ton of draft picks. #3 seems idiotic. Luck is NFL-ready, and not sure he'd want any part of that. There may be a bidding war for Luck. What picks and who would you give up?

MoreLemonPledge

01-03-2012, 12:30 PM

What picks and who would you give up?

This has been discussed ad-naseum. The general consensus is that the Chiefs should give up basically the top half of this year's draft and next year's. Some would even throw Dwayne Bowe on top of that.

BossChief

01-03-2012, 12:34 PM

Wouldn't it be our f****** luck that Andrew pulls an Elway and demands a trade to Denver?

Not a chance.

They would have to give up something like 4 first round picks to move that much.

Probably more.

FringeNC

01-03-2012, 12:34 PM

This has been discussed ad-naseum. The general consensus is that the Chiefs should give up basically the top half of this year's draft and next year's. Some would even throw Dwayne Bowe on top of that.

Yeah, I never thought there'd be a bidding war for Luck, but it is looking like there actually could be. If the Colts pay the roster bonus for Manning, don't they have to trade Luck?

MoreLemonPledge

01-03-2012, 12:38 PM

Yeah, I never thought there'd be a bidding war for Luck, but it is looking like there actually could be. If the Colts pay the roster bonus for Manning, don't they have to trade Luck?

Not necessarily. The new CBA makes it quite cheap to sign the top draft picks.

FringeNC

01-03-2012, 12:39 PM

Not necessarily. The new CBA makes it quite cheap to sign the top draft picks.

Right, but I was thinking Luck will want no part of that scenario.

MoreLemonPledge

01-03-2012, 12:41 PM

Right, but I was thinking Luck will want no part of that scenario.

He has actually seemed fairly agreeable to it. I was wondering how the OP gathered that Luck was inferring that he didn't want to sit behind Manning.

cdcox

01-03-2012, 12:47 PM

Polian was committed to Manning, but he is gone. Manning doesn't want Luck on the sidelines if he plays again. Irsay seems committed to Luck. Looking at all of these events together, I think Manning has played his last game for Indy.

cdcox

01-07-2012, 03:06 PM

According to NBC, both the Colts and Manning now consider the date for paying Manning's bonus as "flexible". Means they don't know how his neck is progressing yet.

cdcox

01-07-2012, 03:11 PM

If they move the date beyond the the beginning of the new league year, Manning would become tradable (I think).

ChiefsandO'sfan

01-07-2012, 03:12 PM

If they move the date beyond the the beginning of the new league year, Manning would become tradable (I think).

Yes but what team is gonna pay him 28M when he is 1 hit from Retirement.

MIAdragon

01-07-2012, 03:13 PM

I gather that The Colts may trade their pick. I wouldnt be surprised if the 2nd pick (STL) was worth trading too, with Luck and RG3 in the draft.

LMAO

JD10367

01-07-2012, 03:14 PM

Yes but what team is gonna pay him 28M when he is 1 hit from Retirement.

http://www.chiefswarpath.com/resources/448f44d0.jpg

LMAO

tk13

01-07-2012, 03:15 PM

Polian was committed to Manning, but he is gone. Manning doesn't want Luck on the sidelines if he plays again. Irsay seems committed to Luck. Looking at all of these events together, I think Manning has played his last game for Indy.

ESPN is reporting today that Irsay is planning to draft Luck no matter what.

But I really don't think that's breaking news. Mortensen and John Clayton have both separately been saying this for a few weeks now. Plus if you listened to Irsay's press conference the other day, he said when you have a chance to get a pillar of an organization... a GM, coach, or QB, you do it.

cdcox

01-07-2012, 03:16 PM

Yes but what team is gonna pay him 28M when he is 1 hit from Retirement.

I'll bet that contract can be renegotiated as part of a trade, if Manning is willing. I think the flexibility on the bonus date is a clear sign Manning realizes his value is compromised.

JASONSAUTO

01-07-2012, 03:53 PM

I'll bet that contract can be renegotiated as part of a trade, if Manning is willing. I think the flexibility on the bonus date is a clear sign Manning realizes his value is compromised.

I'll bet that contract can be renegotiated as part of a trade, if Manning is willing. I think the flexibility on the bonus date is a clear sign Manning realizes his value is compromised.

Why would Manning not just wait to be released so he can go wherever he wants?

whoman69

01-07-2012, 04:02 PM

Not necessarily. The new CBA makes it quite cheap to sign the top draft picks.

It does, but Manning is a pretty big cap hit which means they can't resign his security blankets in Wayne and Mathis. I don't think Peyton wants to be on a rebuilding franchise. I don't think Luck would want to be on a franchise where he has to wait three years and has dead cap space for all of Manning's old croneys.

Its one thing to take a fairly raw QB like Rodgers and sit him for three years. He was a system QB and needed some work to get where he is. Luck is ready day one as much as anyone has been ready. He's not going to learn holding a clipboard for a starting QB that will demand every rep in practice.

KCrockaholic

01-07-2012, 04:03 PM

I'm a big Luck supporter. But if he went to Indy I'm not sure I could do it. I hate that franchise, and I've never seen a team know EXACTLY when to suck at the right time.

Mr. Laz

01-07-2012, 04:08 PM

from what i understand Manning has 28 million or something due BEFORE Free agency and the ability to trade him. So unless Manning agrees to a bonus exception for a trade, the colts can't trade him. I don't know why Manning would agree to such an exception when he could just force them to cut him and get a new contract with a team of his choosing.

expect Manning to get cut if they plan on drafting Luck

prhom

01-07-2012, 04:11 PM

Anyone else watch the pregame on NBC where Dungy said that Polian was actually "comfortable" with RGIII? I took that to mean he was actually leaning toward RGIII over Luck. Dungy said he thinks now that Polian is out that the Colts will take LUck.

jd1020

01-07-2012, 04:12 PM

According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, the Colts "won't pass" on Stanford QB Andrew Luck with the No. 1 overall pick in next spring's draft.
There's yet to be a report suggesting the Colts would even consider passing on Luck, so the question is not whom Indy will take at No. 1, but what it plans to do with Peyton Manning. Although Luck would surely benefit from learning under Manning for a season or two, it's extremely unlikely to happen in a league where Blaine Gabbert was allowed to make 14 starts as a rookie.

scho63

01-07-2012, 04:18 PM

I just realized that the f*cking lucky bastard Colts in the last 25 years will have drafted Elway, Manning, and Luck!

That sucks balls when you look at our pathetic QB drafting record. UGHHHHHH!

jd1020

01-07-2012, 04:20 PM

I just realized that the f*cking lucky bastard Colts in the last 25 years will have drafted Elway, Manning, and Luck!

That sucks balls when you look at our pathetic QB drafting record. UGHHHHHH!

They were so lucky with Elway he threatened to play for the Yankees if they didn't trade him.

tk13

01-07-2012, 04:20 PM

Anyone else watch the pregame on NBC where Dungy said that Polian was actually "comfortable" with RGIII? I took that to mean he was actually leaning toward RGIII over Luck. Dungy said he thinks now that Polian is out that the Colts will take LUck.

Or that he was willing to trade down, get a ton of picks, and still get Griffin. That would be a very Polian thing to do.

prhom

01-07-2012, 04:26 PM

Or that he was willing to trade down, get a ton of picks, and still get Griffin. That would be a very Polian thing to do.

I guess I missed that part, it would be risky to have tried that I think. Seems like you could do that and miss on both Luck and RGIII.

Mr. Laz

01-07-2012, 04:29 PM

imo Polian and Irsay weren't on the same page about Manning/Luck/RGIII and that's the reason he got fired.

I guess we will find out come draft time

cdcox

01-07-2012, 04:30 PM

from what i understand Manning has 28 million or something due BEFORE Free agency and the ability to trade him. So unless Manning agrees to a bonus exception for a trade, the colts can't trade him. I don't know why Manning would agree to such an exception when he could just force them to cut him and get a new contract with a team of his choosing.

expect Manning to get cut if they plan on drafting Luck

post 38

Mr. Laz

01-07-2012, 04:35 PM

post 38
It will be flexible until the colts tell manning they are drafting luck ... then it will become leverage and not flexible at all.

tk13

01-07-2012, 04:36 PM

I guess I missed that part, it would be risky to have tried that I think. Seems like you could do that and miss on both Luck and RGIII.

No, that was just an assumption on my part.

tk13

01-07-2012, 04:37 PM

imo Polian and Irsay weren't on the same page about Manning/Luck/RGIII and that's the reason he got fired.

I guess we will find out come draft time

I think it had 98% to do with Chris Polian, by all accounts. Irsay couldn't get Bill to fire his son, so they both had to go. This draft is a turning point for their franchise for the next 10-15 years, and he didn't want Chris Polian making those decisions.

I think it had 98% to do with Chris Polian, by all accounts. Irsay couldn't get Bill to fire his son, so they both had to go. This draft is a turning point for their franchise for the next 10-15 years, and he didn't want Chris Polian making those decisions.
very possible

but if one goes they both go so we just don't know what happened.

tk13

01-07-2012, 04:46 PM

very possible

but if one goes they both go so we just don't know what happened.

From Irsay's press conference, I'm pretty sure it was Chris Polian. Lots of people this week were painting it as a toxic situation, nobody liked Chris, and Bill was giving him a lot of the day-to-day responibility. Plus in Irsay's press conference he said all kinds of glowing things about Bill Polian and pretty much ignored Chris. Also kept mentioning that Bill's about to retire and this was about the future.

whoman69

01-07-2012, 04:50 PM

I just realized that the f*cking lucky bastard Colts in the last 25 years will have drafted Elway, Manning, and Luck!

That sucks balls when you look at our pathetic QB drafting record. UGHHHHHH!

You forgot Jeff George...or maybe you didn't.

RINGLEADER

01-07-2012, 04:59 PM

Fat bonus for a healthy Manning? Irsay had splendid timing to announce that. Peyton Manning will retire, Luck will be the Colts QBOTF.

I think the huge bonus they have to pay Manning is due before the trade window opens up. So they pay Manning and trade him and eat the $$$ or they don't give him the $$$ and lose any compensation for him.

Are two 1sts worth $28+ million?

scho63

01-07-2012, 05:51 PM

You forgot Jeff George...or maybe you didn't.

:banghead:

I DID and know I feel even more sick to my stomach! THANKS LOL :deevee:

whoman69

01-07-2012, 07:39 PM

I think the huge bonus they have to pay Manning is due before the trade window opens up. So they pay Manning and trade him and eat the $$$ or they don't give him the $$$ and lose any compensation for him.

Are two 1sts worth $28+ million?

No, thank you for playing.

rtmike

01-07-2012, 07:59 PM

Manning sure shot himself in the foot. All these years he's been playing under an undervalued contract never bitching or threatening to hold out for a better contract knowing Polian would make sure he got paid in his next contract.

Now if he gets traded he'll never get the money.

JASONSAUTO

01-07-2012, 08:00 PM

Manning sure shot himself in the foot. All these years he's been playing under an undervalued contract never bitching or threatening to hold out for a better contract knowing Polian would make sure he got paid in his next contract.

Now if he gets traded he'll never get the money.
He had been paid big before
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I could really see Lucks dad doing this and I don't really blame him. Luck is NFL ready.

Chiefaholic

01-07-2012, 08:51 PM

Yes but what team is gonna pay him 28M when he is 1 hit from Retirement.

Did somebody say Daniel Snyder? That guy's been throwing crazy cash at beyond their prime athletes for years now.

whoman69

01-07-2012, 08:52 PM

Indy would be stupid to pick up Manning's option. Sure Luck is somewhat a gamble, but is it more of a gamble than expecting someone to come back after 3 neck surgeries? You get a decade or more of Luck, and best possible, 3 out of Manning. I think I choose the future, especially seeing this franchise doesn't have the tools to compete even with a healthy Manning. Picking up Manning's option means no Wayne or Mathis. The sooner the Colts realize they are in rebuilding mode, the better.

O.city

01-07-2012, 08:56 PM

If they keep Manning and sit Luck behind him for 3 years thats pretty damn stupid.

Chiefaholic

01-07-2012, 08:58 PM

They were so lucky with Elway he threatened to play for the Yankees if they didn't trade him.

Which is my point with Luck. Elway has a heart on for Luck and the ball is in Denver's court if Luck refuses to play for the Colts like Elway did. I'd much rather be the beneficiary of Luck than watching Denver break out hearts year after year with a HOF QB. I'd be willing to trade three firsts for a player with the potential of Luck.

O.city

01-07-2012, 09:03 PM

If Luck says he won't play in Indy, the price of that pick will go down.

Jump on that shit Pioli.

BigMeatballDave

01-07-2012, 09:12 PM

Which is my point with Luck. Elway has a heart on for Luck and the ball is in Denver's court if Luck refuses to play for the Colts like Elway did. I'd much rather be the beneficiary of Luck than watching Denver break out hearts year after year with a HOF QB. I'd be willing to trade three firsts for a player with the potential of Luck.

Heart on?

Chiefaholic

01-07-2012, 09:18 PM

Heart on?

Who gives a crap... Talk football and leave the 12 year old girl drama queen at the door.

O.city

01-07-2012, 09:25 PM

What do you do if Luck says he won't play for you if you draft him? Take RGIII?

Chiefaholic

01-07-2012, 09:33 PM

What do you do if Luck says he won't play for you if you draft him? Take RGIII?

If I were the Colts GM, I'd do something similar to what the Chargers did with Eli. If no blockbuster trades were offered prior to draft day, I'd go ahead and draft Luck. Then during the draft, dangle Luck in everybody's face to draft RGIII and trade QB's and picks.

BigMeatballDave

01-07-2012, 10:14 PM

Who gives a crap... Talk football and leave the 12 year old girl drama queen at the door.

LMAO are you new here?

Okie_Apparition

01-07-2012, 10:39 PM

Luck could refuse to play for them if Manning stays
Manning ain't going to allow to be traded just anywhere, reducing any compensation for him
If it's not either or, Isray is a hell of a diplomat

jd1020

01-07-2012, 11:06 PM

What exactly is Luck going to do if the Colts draft him and he doesn't want to play for them? He doesn't have a second sport to fall back on like Elway.

The Colts can't make their intentions any more known. The only QB in play here is Manning and I'd rather let someone else hang themselves with that noose.

Chiefaholic

01-07-2012, 11:56 PM

LMAO are you new here?

Two consecutive posts by yourself that have nothing to do with the topic. Anything to add to the actual discussion, or just trolling?

KCChiefsFan88

01-08-2012, 12:58 AM

What exactly is Luck going to do if the Colts draft him and he doesn't want to play for them? He doesn't have a second sport to fall back on like Elway.

The Colts can't make their intentions any more known. The only QB in play here is Manning and I'd rather let someone else hang themselves with that noose.

Eli Manning was able to force San Diego's hand in 2004 to trade him. Last I checked Eli had no career in baseball to fall back on.

aturnis

01-08-2012, 01:24 AM

What exactly is Luck going to do if the Colts draft him and he doesn't want to play for them? He doesn't have a second sport to fall back on like Elway.

The Colts can't make their intentions any more known. The only QB in play here is Manning and I'd rather let someone else hang themselves with that noose.

Same thing Eli was ready to do. Sit the year and enter the next draft.

Fat Elvis

01-08-2012, 10:08 AM

The problem for Indy is that if Luck doesn't want to play for them, he can afford to wait a year. Dad is a former pro-football player and current Athletic Director at West Virginia. Andy will still have a relatively comfortable existence even if he waits a year to get drafted by another team.

Simplicity

01-08-2012, 10:12 AM

All I can say about the Colts is.... *Facepalm.

seamonster

01-08-2012, 10:25 AM

I've never seen a team just go for it and suck dicks for luck quite like the Colts just did. That was a blatant and extremely obvious attempt by the colts to tank a season. If a coach is responsible for putting that f'ed up product on the field for sixteen games, one year removed from the playoffs, he gets fired immediately. I wouldn't be surprised if Manning told the colts he planned on retiring within the next two seasons. That would have given the ownership a green light to coerce the team for another money-making "quarterback of the future". And I'm pretty sick of hearing people say "football players arn't wired to loose games". Football isn't brain surgery, it's a sport that utilizes meatheads to hit people. Football players arn't special, they'll drop games just like anyother sport that pulls billions of dollars.

whoman69

01-08-2012, 03:52 PM

Luck could refuse to play for them if Manning stays
Manning ain't going to allow to be traded just anywhere, reducing any compensation for him
If it's not either or, Isray is a hell of a diplomat

Manning won't be traded. Period. Keep up. They owe him a $28 million bonus before the trading season begins. After they pay that bonus, no way in hell you trade him.

Of course he would say that. Its like trying to bluff with a queen high.

ForeverChiefs58

01-14-2012, 10:48 PM

Report: Peyton Manning, Jeff Saturday to Redskins 'Very Likely'

by Ricky Doyle on Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:04PM

The Colts reportedly plan to draft future franchise quarterback Andrew Luck with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. If that spells the end of Peyton Manning's tenure in Indianapolis, the veteran could end up in the nation's capital.

According to ESPN's Bram Weinstein, a source indicates that it's "very likely" that Manning and center Jeff Saturday will join the Redskins.

Manning inked a five-year, $90 million last offseason, but the Colts could elect to rebuild with Luck at the helm going forward. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported last week that Indianapolis will not trade Manning, but with the quarterback's health still a question mark, the team could end up releasing him.

Saturday, who turns 37 in June, is set to become a free agent. He's protected Manning since entering the league in 1999.

Bringing in Manning would be a huge splash for a Redskins team that's received inconsistent quarterback play in recent years.

Manning has been named to 11 Pro Bowls in his career, and has earned MVP honors four times. Saturday has been selected to five Pro Bowls.

According to Jason LaCanfora of the NFL Network, general managers and people close to Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning don’t see him going to the Jets if he does end up leaving Indy in the offseason.

If Manning ends up being available via trade, the teams that GM’s around the NFL see as potential landing spots are the 49ers, Seahawks and the Cardinals.

We mentioned a report last night that linked Manning and Colts center Jeff Saturday to the Redskins if he ends up getting released.

If the Colts do end up moving on from Manning, he’ll have plenty of teams to choose from.

The Colts reportedly plan to draft future franchise quarterback Andrew Luck with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. If that spells the end of Peyton Manning's tenure in Indianapolis, the veteran could end up in the nation's capital.

According to ESPN's Bram Weinstein, a source indicates that it's "very likely" that Manning and center Jeff Saturday will join the Redskins.

Manning inked a five-year, $90 million last offseason, but the Colts could elect to rebuild with Luck at the helm going forward. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported last week that Indianapolis will not trade Manning, but with the quarterback's health still a question mark, the team could end up releasing him.

Saturday, who turns 37 in June, is set to become a free agent. He's protected Manning since entering the league in 1999.

Bringing in Manning would be a huge splash for a Redskins team that's received inconsistent quarterback play in recent years.

Manning has been named to 11 Pro Bowls in his career, and has earned MVP honors four times. Saturday has been selected to five Pro Bowls.

According to Jason LaCanfora of the NFL Network, general managers and people close to Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning donít see him going to the Jets if he does end up leaving Indy in the offseason.

If Manning ends up being available via trade, the teams that GMís around the NFL see as potential landing spots are the 49ers, Seahawks and the Cardinals.

We mentioned a report last night that linked Manning and Colts center Jeff Saturday to the Redskins if he ends up getting released.

If the Colts do end up moving on from Manning, heíll have plenty of teams to choose from.

Has he passed physicals? I dont see how anyone can trade for this guy wit his injury.

ForeverChiefs58

01-15-2012, 10:35 AM

Has he passed physicals? I dont see how anyone can trade for this guy wit his injury.

December 19, 2011,

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Colts will have to win their last two games the same way they tried to win their first 14 -- without Peyton Manning.

Minutes after the previously winless Colts got their first win, 27-13 over Tennessee, team vice chairman Bill Polian said the four-time league MVP will not play this season though he has begun throwing to teammates at the team complex.

The comments came in a rare, five-paragraph postgame statement Polian made from the podium. He did not take questions.

"It was determined by the doctors that there was no chance he (Manning) would play this year," Polian said, referring to a Thursday meeting. "His rehabilitation has not come far enough to make it prudent for him to step on the field in game action. He may practice in some very scripted and circumscribed circumstances if he wishes. That's entirely up to him."

Apparently, Manning is already doing that.

Polian confirmed that the four-time league MVP threw in pads and a helmet after Wednesday's full practice ended. The session included running back Joseph Addai, center Jeff Saturday, receiver Anthony Gonzalez and a receiver from the practice squad.

There were rumors all week that Manning had started throwing with teammates, but players and coaches repeatedly said there was nothing new in Manning's workout regimen. On Sunday's pregame show, Fox Sports reported that Manning had thrown to receivers and running backs this week and that Manning still hoped to play this season.

He has practiced sparingly since having neck surgery in May. The Colts thought Manning would be ready to play when training camp opened and again when the regular-season started, but the recovery took far longer than expected. He was activated before the regular-season opener, but with the compressed nerve still causing weakness in Manning's throwing arm, he opted for a more invasive fusion. That surgery took place Sept. 8.

On Dec. 1, doctors announced the fusion had healed firmly and that Manning could increase the intensity and length of his workouts.

He is.

"Wednesday, after we finished our full team practice, Peyton went through a prescribed rehabilitation session, which consisted of about 30 throws and seven or eight handoffs," Polian said. "His throws were scripted at his request, meaning that he made specific throws with respect to the kinds of plays he would run in a ballgame. The reason for that is because the strength and conditioning folks and the therapy folks felt that was the best way to ramp up the muscle use."

Polian denied breaking any league rules by not disclosing Manning's workouts on the weekly practice reports, which require teams to provide information about each player's participation.

Because the workouts occurred after practice, Polian said the team did not violate the league rules and that the team taped that workout, which was attended by Polian and coach Jim Caldwell.

Team officials have kept Manning on the active roster in hopes that he could practice in December.

Polian said he does not expect Manning to throw again before Thursday's home finale against Houston.

ForeverChiefs58

01-15-2012, 10:37 AM

And this:

December 22, 2011

Peyton Manning's throws have zip

INDIANAPOLIS -- Joseph Addai knows this much about Peyton Manning's recovery: His right arm is getting stronger.

Addai was one of three Colts players catching passes last week from the four-time league MVP. On Wednesday, he told The Associated Press that Manning is putting some zip on his short passes.

"He's not throwing deep-level passes, but the short stuff is really good enough to play," Addai said.

The comments come three days after team vice chairman Bill Polian ruled Manning out of the Colts' final two games and one day after coach Jim Caldwell said Manning would not participate in any of the remaining full-team workouts before Indy's season finale Jan. 1. He is expected to continue throwing before or after practice.

Both have said that Manning is progressing well from Sept. 8 neck surgery, though he has not played in a game or practiced full bore since undergoing his third surgery in 19 months.

Last Wednesday, Manning put on a helmet and pads and did a post-practice workout that included taking snaps from center Jeff Saturday and throwing with Addai, receiver Anthony Gonzalez and a receiver from the practice squad.

On Tuesday, Polian said Manning's throws looked good and when asked whether he had decent velocity on the throws from 20 to 25 yards, Polian said, "That's correct."

Addai is one of the few people who can confirm that assessment.

"He's coming along good," Addai said. "He's looking good and he throws a good ball."

With Manning, the Colts were a perennial Super Bowl contender.

Without him, the Colts (1-13) have barely been able to avoid the dubious distinction of becoming the second team in NFL history to go 0-16. On Sunday, the Colts beat Tennessee 27-13 for their first win since 1997 with a quarterback other than Manning.

Indianapolis plays its home finale Thursday night against AFC South champion Houston (10-4), then closes the season at Jacksonville on Jan. 1. Polian has already said Manning will fail the team's postseason physical, which will make him eligible to continue throwing at the team complex during an uncertain offseason.

The Colts still must decide whether to pay Manning a $28 million bonus in March, let him become a free agent or possibly redo the contract to make it more salary-cap friendly.

It's also likely Indianapolis will have the No. 1 overall draft pick, a slot that most expect to be used on Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck. That would give them the opportunity to keep Manning, if healthy, with Luck expected to become Manning's eventual successor.

And Polian believes the team will have all the information needed to make the right decisions.

"We have always felt that we would have a good sense of where we are, because we have always known that this is what the procedure would be," he said Tuesday.

Would getting both Manning and Saturday solve 2 problems for the Chiefs?

The Obvious problem would be Cassel gets benched or kicked off the team, but a lot of people on here are saying that Wigmann is done and can't handle the Larger DT's that are out there and this is the main reason the inside run game has been sucking.

Saturday is only a year younger though but would he assist in the Run game in the middle?

Have Lilja as depth at guard and Mims as depth at Tackle. If you wanted to, keep Wigmann as depth at Center or Guard. At least he would be much fresher at the end of the year then he is now. This might also keep Saturday Fresh as well.

Okie_Apparition

01-15-2012, 12:48 PM

Why would Peyton want to be in the same division as Eli?
I don't see that at all

O.city

01-15-2012, 12:52 PM

I think alot of people are forgetting about Luck in this whole deal. If Peyton is healthy and can play and the Colts keep him, why would Luck want to go sit for 4 years?

Good luck with that (no pun intended)....Let us know how it turns out for ya. :thumb:

Mr_Tomahawk

01-18-2012, 11:33 AM

Sig. updated. :D

Rausch

01-18-2012, 11:47 AM

Sig. updated. :D

It would be...uncomfortable.

To me it'd be like Elway or fucking Jim Kelly playing for KC. I've spent far to many years hating them to want them as my QB now...

KILLER_CLOWN

01-18-2012, 11:52 AM

It would be...uncomfortable.

To me it'd be like Elway or ****ing Jim Kelly playing for KC. I've spent far to many years hating them to want them as my QB now...

I could handle it, if even for a playoff win. I've never been a big Manning fan but would love to have the guy playing for the Chiefs. Now if it were Elway i would be right there with you. I would even take Brady. :)

talastan

01-18-2012, 12:08 PM

I've never had a personal issue with Manning. He has broken my heart quite a few times, but you can't argue that he is the most elite QB in the game. Our hate in the past for him was simply because he played incredibly well. He'd have a chance to redeem himself to KC by winning in the postseason. Of course none of this is going to happen because Pioli and Hunt will not get in a bidding war with Jerry Jones or Snyder for Manning when he gets cut.

Mr_Tomahawk

01-18-2012, 12:27 PM

I've never had a personal issue with Manning. He has broken my heart quite a few times, but you can't argue that he is the most elite QB in the game. Our hate in the past for him was simply because he played incredibly well. He'd have a chance to redeem himself to KC by winning in the postseason. Of course none of this is going to happen because Pioli and Hunt will not get in a bidding war with Jerry Jones or Snyder for Manning when he gets cut.

I am not sure if it necessarily comes down to the highest bidder with Manning. I think he will want to go to the team that has the better chance of winning with him. I think if we sign our big name FA next year and return healthy...our offense will have better weapons for him to use than either the skins or cowgirls.

The edge I give to the cowgirls is that they play in a dome and that may sway Manning one was or another...

suds79

01-18-2012, 12:30 PM

Of course none of this is going to happen because Pioli and Hunt will not get in a bidding war with Jerry Jones or Snyder for Manning when he gets cut.

I have a hard time seeing Peyton to either the cowboys or Reskins

- So he's going to be in the same division with his brother? That screws one of them.
- What happens to Tony Romo then?
- Shanahan's system calls for a lot of boots off of play action. That's not Peyton's game.

Previously I thought our biggest competition would be the 49ers but with how Alex Smith is emerging, I think it could be a good fit as a FA pickup. We have the cap space.

BossChief

01-18-2012, 12:40 PM

I expect him to become a free agent when he ends up not being able to pass a physical by the due date.

At that point, I wonder how many team would even have the cap space to sign him.

I think Washington would have to make a lot of moves to be able to do so.

talastan

01-18-2012, 12:43 PM

I expect him to become a free agent when he ends up not being able to pass a physical by the due date.

At that point, I wonder how many team would even have the cap space to sign him.

I think Washington would have to make a lot of moves to be able to do so.

That is a good question which of the "QB-hungry" teams have the cap space to pull off a blockbuster FA deal? I know we were in the bottom 3 if not the bottom as far as being under the salary cap floor. What other teams are down in savings cellar with us?

Pestilence

01-18-2012, 12:48 PM

I have a hard time seeing Peyton to either the cowboys or Reskins

- So he's going to be in the same division with his brother? That screws one of them.
- What happens to Tony Romo then?
- Shanahan's system calls for a lot of boots off of play action. That's not Peyton's game.

Previously I thought our biggest competition would be the 49ers but with how Alex Smith is emerging, I think it could be a good fit as a FA pickup. We have the cap space.

Dolphins or Chiefs

milkman

01-18-2012, 01:30 PM

I've never had a personal issue with Manning. He has broken my heart quite a few times, but you can't argue that he is the most elite QB in the game. Our hate in the past for him was simply because he played incredibly well. He'd have a chance to redeem himself to KC by winning in the postseason. Of course none of this is going to happen because Pioli and Hunt will not get in a bidding war with Jerry Jones or Snyder for Manning when he gets cut.

You know, there's no way one can argue that Peyton Manning is not elite.

But at the same time, how can you define him?

He's a guy that makes plays in critical moments during the regular season, but in 19 career playoff games, he has only produced one time in a critical moment, against the Patriots on their way to the SB in the '06-'07 playoffs.

In a number of their losses, including the loss to the Saints, he has choked.

BigMeatballBillay

01-18-2012, 01:35 PM

You know, there's no way one can argue that Peyton Manning is not elite.

But at the same time, how can you define him?

He's a guy that makes plays in critical moments during the regular season, but in 19 career playoff games, he has only produced one time in a critical moment, against the Patriots on their way to the SB in the '06-'07 playoffs.

In a number of their losses, including the loss to the Saints, he has choked.

I believe the Chiefs have more talent on the roster now than any of those Colts teams. There might be enough talent to over come some of Manning's choking.

Chiefs Pantalones

01-18-2012, 01:37 PM

He's not coming here. Matt Cassel is our QB next year people.

BigMeatballBillay

01-18-2012, 01:40 PM

He's not coming here. Matt Cassel is our QB next year people.

Shutup and pick up that candy wrapper.

milkman

01-18-2012, 01:50 PM

I believe the Chiefs have more talent on the roster now than any of those Colts teams. There might be enough talent to over come some of Manning's choking.

I'm not presenting an argument against bringing Manning to KC.

I am just making an observation.

I've always said that elite QBs are defined by what they do in the most critical moments, but the Peyton Manning discussion always flies in the face of that.

As I said, there's no way I can argue that Peyton is not elite.

All I can say is that he's the exception.

BossChief

01-18-2012, 02:16 PM

Id be excited if we signed him.

We would only have a window of 2-3 years to win a superbowl with him, but at least we wouldn't be able to say the talent this team has would be wasted.

Flynn
Tannehill
Cassel
Orton

None of those guys open up a superbowl window for us the way Peyton would.

It's been almost 20 years since we won a playoff game.

Urc Burry

01-18-2012, 02:31 PM

Peyton will go somewhere where he can retire at the top I would assume. KC and maybe the jets would be about his only option for that. I don't think even he could take the redskins or dolphins to a SB

@richeisen My people are saying Manning will retire today. What do you hear? #NFL

Mile High Mania

01-18-2012, 02:39 PM

Risky... Manning is entering his 15th season and turning 36 this March. Nobody really knows how he'll be in live action, especially if he gets hit the wrong way.

Montana basically missed the '91 and '92 seasons due to injury... came to KC after 15 seasons (only 13 where he actually played) and was 37 years old.

The Joe Montana that KC had certainly was not the Joe Montana that starred in SF, just look at the stats.

The same thing could very well happening with Manning, wherever he lands... at that age, the money involved and with the injury risk - I think I'd really want my team to pass. It's unfortunate to say, but we may have seen the last of the stats crazy Peyton Manning that we've witnessed since 1998.

@richeisen My people are saying Manning will retire today. What do you hear? #NFL

Would not be surprised in the least.

Pestilence

01-18-2012, 02:42 PM

If it's true....it fucking figures that the Colts would luck out. Manning retires saving money and the franchise from losing face. Plus they get Luck at #1 to come in and start a new era.

Carlota69

01-18-2012, 02:43 PM

Would not be surprised in the least.

And if he cares about himself, his family and being able to play catch with his children, he should do exactly this-retire.

Mile High Mania

01-18-2012, 02:47 PM

And if he cares about himself, his family and being able to play catch with his children, he should do exactly this-retire.

I can't imagine what the conversations are like in the Manning family, you'd think the man has more money than the next 7 generations of Mannings will need. Outside of a 2nd SB Title and not ending your career on an injury note... everything has been accomplished.

Hopefully, he's smart enough not to risk it... if it's safe to play - go for it, but if not ... dude, just relax in retirement and continue doing commercials.

Reaper16

01-18-2012, 02:50 PM

This is LITERALLY the most implausible rumor of all time.

Coogs

01-18-2012, 02:51 PM

He has already sat out for a year too. So it is not like he will have to wonder if he can get along without playing or not, he has already done that.