I gave these markers two stars, because they are way too saturated for me and don't have a fine tip which is something I need. I ended up giving them away to someone who makes posters. I can see where the saturation would be good for posters. I've settled on the Copic markers because they are good for layering, shadowing and painting people. Prismacolor makes good quality art supplies, and I own a large assortment of their colored pencils. These saturated markers might be what you're looking for but they're not for me.