I've had a couple pairs of these shorts since high school, that's almost 15 years. They are still going strong (one pair's seam has come apart before, but it was so easy to fix), so I decided to order some more as they are handy to have around. They aren't the fanciest shorts, but they last forever and are great to lounge around in. I ordered a M since those are the sizes I own already. They are more like Women's size; I usually wear 8-10 and a medium fits great with extra room. love the price and will order more.