I had been playing drum for about ten years when I bought a set of these for my '99Tama Rockstar. I run a 13" mounted and a 16" floor, and they sound great. I had always hated ringing long sustained Tom sounds, and these completely were on the opposite of that spectrum. They are loud,easy to tune and the tone was great. I needed no tone rings, cloth or tape, and every strike sounded good. As far as the four star guy saying they aren't for heavy hitters, lol. I use Vater Hammers on them for four years and never had any problems, not even denting