Bought them on a whim a couple years ago when my local GC stopped carrying the Zildjian Dennis Chamber model. This a fantastically balanced stick great for rock and beyond. What's more, they last sooooo much longer then some other major brands (one in particular rhymes with trick worth and never lasted me more than a week). I bought a 4 pack last May and the necks finally wore out last month after playing an average of 10 hours a week. I have the utmost respect for this company and refuse to buy any other brands now. Vater is the best.