Hunt For El Chapo Continues
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Good evening. Tonight, there are new developments in the story of this little girl. She is known only as Baby Doe. This is a computer rendering of what authorities think she might have looked like before her body tragically turned up on a Massachusetts coastline. Randi Kaye is working her sources. She is joining us soon with her new reporting about the case. But we begin tonight with breaking news out of Mexico City. We are expecting any minute now to hear from Mexico's interior minister with late developments in the hunt for Joaquin Guzman, El Chapo, head of Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel. Before he was captured the last time around, about 18 months ago, he held a dubious distinction of being both America and Mexico's most wanted and one of Forbes magazine's wealthiest people. A man with a billion dollars to his name and the blood of thousands of people on his hands. Until this weekend locked up in a prison not far from Mexico City, a maximum security prison or so it seemed until El Chapo apparently just crawled and then walked out right out. Nick Valencia joins us now at outside the prison with more on the search for him and for answers. What's the latest, Nick?</s>NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, whether out it is out of embarrassment or because of their ongoing investigation, officials are not saying much. As it seems, Anderson, this escape was planned not only in plain view of the prison officials and federal police, but also the military. We spent our day outside of the rural home where it said El Chapo escaped and we saw a heavy military presence, federal police there as well. We couldn't get any more than 50 yards to that front door. The tunnel was not accessible just yet. No one has gone in there, except for the PGR, the attorney general's office and some other officials. So, it seems that they are looking for him still in this area. The locals that have spoken to, they say, given El Chapo's pass, they think that he is long gone -- Anderson.</s>COOPER: Mexico's president had staked an awful lot on this. Had said, you know, if he was able to escape again it would be a huge embarrassment. I'm wondering, what kind of reaction has this been getting in Mexico not only among officials but people you talk to?</s>VALENCIA: He called it in an interview with the local press, unforgivable, the second escape from El Chapo. And that is exactly seems to be the situation he is dealing with. Much criticism from the locals I spoke saying the president hasn't returned from his trip to Europe. He was in France when he heard the news. Back to this conversations with the</s>COOPER: Nick, appreciate your reporting. Nick Valencia. Now, whatever role at any guard or other insiders played the tunnel itself is an El Chapo signature. In his prior 13 years at large he equipped many of his hideouts with tunnels. As "60 minute's" Bill Whitaker discovered, he lifted the bathtub from the sand and discovered a hatch way underneath. The digging often went on for miles, sometimes tying into local sewer lines or connecting up with another safe house tunnel. This time, though it was built straight into and straight out of a maximum security prison. Tom Foreman takes us inside.</s>TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, this prison had plenty of security measures in placed above the ground. They had ways of blocking cell phone signals. They had heavily armored vehicles to repulse any sort of ground assault. They had three foot thick walls so rockets could not break in. And yet, for all of that, El Chapo found a way to burrow out under the noses of Mexican authorities and get to this freedom tunnel off in the distance here. And go completely free. How did he manage to do that? Well, first of all, he tapped into the expertise of his gang which has been known to build all sorts of tunnels for transporting drugs and eluding their enemies. And they started beneath a shower. One of the few places where he wasn't being monitored by video 24 hours a day. He went 33 feet straight down and then when you look at the details of this tunnel you see an engineering marvel. This thing was five-and-a-half feet tall, his height. Same as his height, almost two-and-a-half feet wide. So he could simply walk through it. It was reinforced with wood so they can keep track of all the structural integrity, whether or not ground water were seeing in there, a lighting system through it so they could see what they were doing. A ventilation system so that there will be no gasses that could possibly overcome anyone there. They even had a track along the bottom of it so they could transport out on some sort of cart or motorcycle. It is not clear what they were doing. What we do know is that in the end this thing was a mile long. And over that distance it could have taken a year to build easily. And yet, one of the most wanted drug dealers in the world was able to walk out there in what would have been ten minutes or less, Anderson.</s>COOPER: Tom, we have covered drug tunnels extensively from Mexico to the U.S. I've been inside of them. We heard about new technology that will supposed to help find the tunnels. Could that have helped here?</s>FOREMAN: YES. You stood down there, Anderson. You wonder, how could they not hear this going on? I talked to a geophysicist with the Miter Corporation, which is contracting with the government to help develop better systems like this. And she told me it is just not that good yet. This is a difficult task. You have three stories down. Even though you have devices listening for digging. Maybe trying to measure anomalies in the earth. They have to be really close before they can tell that something is going on here. Bigger question though is how come nobody noticed the dirt. We said this is a mile long here. Think about this. If it is a mile long, you are taking a lot of dirt away. In fact more than 200 big dump trucks full. And it is hard to imagine, Anderson, that for all that going on, nobody out here seemed to have noticed anything -- Anderson.</s>COOPER: There was the construction site this tunnel emptied out into. So perhaps they were masking it with some of that construction work. It is incredible though that this happen. Tom, appreciate the reporting. Thank you. Well, it is an extraordinary development. We know we just learned that the press conference in Mexico City just got pushed back slightly. We'll keep an eye on it. Bring you any late developments from it if there is news from there that we have learned. Our next guest has devoted a major part of his career to catching El Chapo, working with his Mexican counterparts, former ICE officials, James Dinkins spent a decade learning his moves and finally tracking him down. Jim, you were head of homeland security investigations at the time that El Chapo Guzman was captured. You were involved in the hunt for, for, over a decade. When you heard that he had escaped this time. What did you think?</s>JAMES DINKINS, FORMER HEAD OF HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATION: I was really shocked. You know, but quite frankly, not surprised. You know, he is a very elusive character. And not only hard to track down but as we are finding out, hard to keep in captivity as well.</s>COOPER: Is it so much that he escaped or that he was allowed to escape? It seem s impossible that there wasn't collusion of people inside this prison.</s>DINKINS: Well, you know, this one I think it relies less on bribing his way out. And a lot more this traditional means. You know, this is somebody who really perfected the tunneling system as not only to bring drugs into the United States, but that's how he evaded being captured for ten years was through tunnels. And so, it's not surprising that -- you know, in a second captivity, maximum security prison that he resorted to what he knew best. And that was heavily engineered construction tunnel. You know pop right up underneath the floor of his cell. It is quite amazing.</s>COOPER: I have been in a number of these tunnels on the border that have been discovered. And just the intricacy of them, the elaborate, you know, ventilation system, electricity, but even to be able to you need a lot of technological know-how in order to be able to dig a tunnel from the outside that gets you -- that gets right to the exact spot in the prison that is necessary. That's, that's a complicated feat.</s>DINKINS: Yes, it is. And Anderson, I know you have been down on the southwest border and you see some of the tunnels we have seized over the years. And you often see that they get off track in different areas and have to kind of adjust. That often even come up, two, three, meters from where they originally intended to. This was one was very, very precise.</s>COOPER: So now does he just go into hiding? Do you think he tries to maintain an operational role?</s>DINKINS: Yes, you know, he will start influencing things immediately. The one thing is with this is that he had a year to plan not only as he is planning his escape through the tunnel. But also, how he was going to avoid being arrested again and assume control. So he has really got a head start on everybody in the search for him now as well as ability to directly start influencing the cartel once again.</s>COOPER: There were a number of people who flipped, gave information, I mean, do you think he will look for retribution?</s>DINKINS: I think down the road he will. Right now, he is -- his main focus is his escape and his continued freedom.</s>COOPER: Was it worth capturing him in 2014?</s>DINKINS: Absolutely. You know, this is something that you can never predict. It definitely sent a signal that the cartels in Mexico that Mexico and the United States would cooperate and share information. And at the same time, Mexican military and law enforcement would risk their lives to go after the baddest at all cost. And they demonstrated that and I think that they will continue to demonstrate that as now they hunt for him once again.</s>COOPER: Jim, thanks so much for talking to us. Appreciate it.</s>DINKINS: My pleasure, Anderson.</s>COOPER: And as I mentioned, we are waiting on that press conference from Mexican authorities looking for new information about the massive manhunt now under way. And also more information about exactly how this happened. How the number one person on the radar of law enforcement, the number one drug runner that they had in captivity was able to escape yet again from a prison. We are also - we are going to take you inside one of the sophisticated drug tunnel next, show you what it is like. And we'll visit Sinaloa where Guzman is both feared by many and practically worshipped by others. Also tonight, Donald Trump who has been tweeting about the escape and continue to ramp up his rhetoric on border issues. The question is he gaining popular traction even as his party tries to get him to tone it down. Later, you will hear from a young man who nearly lost his life to a shark. This is an incredible story in the waters of North Carolina. 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