New Tip: Eric Frein at Poconos Mountains
BALDWIN: Eric Frein, this alleged cop killing survivalist, might have made a huge mistake. This woman in central Pennsylvania said she saw Eric Frein this past Friday night southwest of the grid where the police mounted this concerted month-long manhunt. And this tip is a good one according to authorities.</s>LT. COL. GEORGE BIVENS, PENNSYLVANIA STATE POLICE: He was reported in the area of the Poconos Mountain East High School. An individual's description was consistent with Frein and he was observed carrying a rifle.</s>BALDWIN: This Frein guy is an odd one. He has a thing for dressing up like a soldier. He's been known to smoke Serbian cigarettes and he's alluded capture since September 12th when he allegedly shot two police officers, killing one out of state barracks. On the phone now is survivalist, Cody Lundin. He's the former co-host of "Dual Survival" on the Discovery Channel. Cody Lundin, welcome.</s>CODY LUNDIN, SURVIVALIST (voice-over): Hi, Brooke. Thanks for having me.</s>BALDWIN: Eric Frein may have allowed himself to be seen, as apparently he has a few times before, he's been spotted. What is this most recent account? What does it sound like to you? Might it be a sign of desperation? Is he getting careless?</s>LUNDIN: He supposedly planned this for two years. If you plan something for two years, you obviously have a heads-up. He's also in his own backyard, unlike people that are looking for him. He has advantages and he's being highly motivated because he'll either be shot or arrested when they find him. With that motivation, with that knowledge and background of terrain and that much advanced planning -- we didn't do that for the Iraq War so he definitely has an advantage. We'll see what happens after this.</s>BALDWIN: So this is his home turf. He knows it. Still, it's getting cold. How is he surviving the nights in the Poconos? And what is he eating?</s>LUNDIN: I would say since he's had advance preparation, he's eating food he stashed or stored or has stolen or is stealing. He's prepared. He has stashes out there of food, gear, sleeping bags, whatever he needs. If you have two years and you hung out with me, we could build an entire town in the woods. That's a lot of time to plan this out. He could have anything, from rat holes to places to hang out for weeks at a time and be unseen.</s>BALDWIN: With these multiple stashes and with this town here, this guy could be prepared to hide a long time.</s>LUNDIN: Yeah, he could. Again, he's been sighted so he'll probably get caught. They always do get caught. But I want to impress upon the fact that when you're on your home turf -- you can look at that in Iraq and look at that in Vietnam -- they have the advantage. He knows his backyard. Will he get caught? Yes, I'm sure he'll get caught. Does he have a few advantages? Yes, he does. The main thing being two years of prep time.</s>BALDWIN: This made me think of my producer and I'm remembering the Olympic Park bomber, Eric Robert Rudolph. He hid out in the forests of North Carolina for five years before they got him. He was apprehended looking for food in a dumpster. I know you said he could be prepared to the hills with food but could that be an Achilles' heel down the road? He gets hungry.</s>LUNDIN: Yes. The Achilles' heel is people are looking for him and that puts a lot of stress. I used to live illegally in the woods in a brush shelter for two years. We're not on the air, right, Brooke?</s>BALDWIN: Right. Not on the air. You didn't tell anyone that.</s>LUNDIN: I know what it's like to have that psychological stress of not wanting to be found and it's a pain in the butt, frankly. That will tip him over the edge more than anything is the psychological stress, which is tearing the body down with adrenaline, about he's being pursued and looked for and he's a wanted man, and eventually they'll find him.</s>BALDWIN: If he's not -- just back on the food issue because I'm fascinated by your experience -- if he has stashes, would that mean he wouldn't have to have a fire? It's cold at night. You would think there would be fires and smoke. They would find him.</s>LUNDIN: You don't need a fire if you have proper clothing. I just got done with an outdoor survival course yesterday. With proper clothing and things, sleeping bags, you don't need to have fire whatsoever. With LED lights under ground, you don't need all that stuff. If he has canned food or stuff that doesn't need cooking, he could be good to go for several weeks or months.</s>BALDWIN: Cody Lundin, thank you for coming on. And your story about living in the woods illegally, safe with me. No problems.