George Zimmerman`s Latest Run-In, Shot In An Apparent Road Rage Incident
DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, George Zimmerman`s latest run-in. Also, a college course that makes students, well, strip for their final. That is right. And, of course, my answers to your questions, whatever they might be. I will try to answer them tonight, but it all starts right now.</s>PINSKY: Let us get started with what we call the top of the feed. George Zimmerman, our old friend shot in an apparent road rage incident. Zimmerman`s lawyer says he is just an innocent victim, yet aggression -- firearm seems to find him wherever he is. The other man`s lawyer claims that that guy was just defending himself. Take a look.</s>UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (1): An officer from Lake Mary Police Department was flagged down by George Zimmerman. He reported that he had just been involved in a shooting.</s>UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (2): The alleged shooter, Matthew Apperson told police, Zimmerman drove up beside him and waved his gun.</s>KEN CORNELL, BYSTANDER: "I just shot George Zimmerman. Please call 911." Really? I am like, "What? You shot George Zimmerman?" He said, "Yes, sir."</s>DON WEST, ZIMMERMAN`S DEFENSE LAWYER: This fellow was taunting and yelling at him, calling him names. You are going to shoot me now? And, the fellow followed him, followed him around the u-turn, and then pulled up next to him and shot at him.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: This is not the first time Zimmerman and Apperson have crossed paths. According to police, the two were involved in a previous road rage incident in September 2014.</s>MARK NEJAME, APPERSON`S ATTORNEY: This is good old-fashioned self- defense. You do not need to wait to see if a bullet strikes you before you have the right to pull a gun.</s>PINSKY: Joining us, Samantha Schacher, "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com; Michael Catherwood, my "Love Line" co-host as well as my co-host on KABC Daytime and Danine Manette, Criminal Investigator, author of the new book "Messages For Joey: A Few Things I Need You To Know About Life, Friendship, Money, Love And Self." And, Danine, why cannot he stay out of trouble? This guy finds trouble wherever he goes.</s>DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Trouble finds this guy. It is amazing. I have been working in the criminal justice field for 25 years, and I have never gotten into as many conflicts as this guy gets into in like a week. It seems like trouble is always finding him. He is always the victim. People are always after him. I do not get it.</s>PINSKY: And I think he would say, if we were to sort of confront him with that, he or his family would say, "Oh, you know, his life has been falling apart ever since that Trayvon Martin case." Of course, of course he is aggressive. Of course there is trouble. Sam, you are smirking.</s>SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER": Here is the thing. To your point, yes, we continue to see George Zimmerman get himself in these situations. I do not understand why he is still allowed to carry a gun.</s>PINSKY: Which is weird.</s>SCHACHER: And which is weird. And as far as this guy goes, I think that there are a lot alike.</s>PINSKY: The other guy?</s>SCHACHER: The other guy, Apperson. Do you want to know little bit about their history?</s>PINSKY: Sure. Sure.</s>SCHACHER: OK. So, they do have some beef, the two of them. All right? So, September 8th, Apperson called 911, claimed that Zimmerman threatened to shoot him dead in a road rage incident.</s>PINSKY: What?</s>SCHACHER: Then just two days later Apperson calls 911 on September 10th, says Zimmerman was waiting for him outside his office. Zimmerman said he just happened to be there coincidentally for another appointment.</s>PINSKY: With his gun --</s>SCHACHER: You know, and I just think that these two guys after, you know, looking at the research, I think both of them are both hotheads. They are both trigger-happy. And, I think because they are so similar, that is why they continue to butt heads.</s>PINSKY: Mike?</s>MIKE CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW`S CO-HOST ON "LOVE LINE": I think they are very similar. They are both insecure chicken hawks. And everyone knows that guy who has to go around asserting himself in these wild outlandish ways like driving into someone on the freeway, screaming at them, maybe even pulling a gun and shooting it. You know what this has to deal with? Both of these guys have their floppy man boobs and their disgusting ill fitting clothes. Maybe if one of them took one moment to actually do something to improve themselves as men and do something that was not this rancid perversion of masculinity that they have, they would not have to be out in the middle of the street shooting at each other.</s>PINSKY: Mike do not hold back. How do you actually feel about these guys?</s>CATHERWOOD: You know, this angers me so much because these are the same guys that get the idea of gun laws brought into scrutiny. And, it is not because -- listen, gun laws, I understand why people would want to have the debate over what we should do with guns.</s>PINSKY: Yes.</s>CATHERWOOD: But do not use these idiots as an example of why and what gun owners are because they are just nudniks.</s>PINSKY: All right. Well, we have a lot of nudniks in this country. But one woman that is not a nudnik, joining me from Washington, D.C., Jessie Jane Duff. She is a Gunnery Sergeant U.S. Marine Corps Retired; senior fellow with the London Center for Policy Research. Jessie, as always, a privilege to have you.</s>JESSIE JANE DUFF, GUNNERY SERGEANT U.S. MARINE CORPS (RET.): Thank you.</s>PINSKY: What do you think about what Mike just said? That you know these two, what he refers to kindly as nudniks, should not be thought of as an average gun owner and they sure certainly should not be what we think about in the conversation about guns and gun possession?</s>DUFF: Yes. Well, first of all, most gun owners hate sloppy gun owners because they make us all look bad. We have millions of legal gun carrying citizens in this country. And, every day they are not running around, causing a wild, wild west show the way this is going on with George Zimmerman. So, my comment would be is that he has not been convicted of anything. But if they should find that he has abused his right to carry, the book needs to be thrown at him full force. Because this is nonsense for him to continually be this the headlines, and giving all legal gun owners a thoroughly bad name.</s>PINSKY: Let me -- let us just take a little tour through his legal troubles. In 2012, everyone is aware he shot Trayvon Martin. 2013 arrested for domestic violence. 2014, threatens to kill a guy in a road rage incident. 2015 arrested again on domestic violence complaint. I mean, this guy, Danine -- Sam, you want to say --</s>SCHACHER: I mean how many lives does he get? He is like a cat. It is like he is going on nine lives. I am sick of it. Lock him up.</s>PINSKY: But he is like O.J. Simpson, Danine, in the sense that, you know, these guys do not -- they show themselves, eventually, right?</s>MANETTE: And, you know -- you see, people who have survivor`s guilt, when they survive some type of a tragedy and all of the sudden become very self- destructive. This guy has like acquittal guilt.</s>SCHACHER: Yes.</s>MANETTE: It is like now that he has been acquitted for something he is constantly going out there and doing something else.</s>PINSKY: These are words I never thought I would say. After Casey Anthony was acquitted, we do not hear from her.</s>MANETTE: Right.</s>PINSKY: She does not seem to go around murdering children or getting in domestic violence or shooting guns off or whatever we thought she might have done. Casey Anthony drops out of sight. George Zimmerman seems to escalate.</s>MANETTE: He is like</s>O.J. PINSKY: Like</s>O.J. -- MANETTE: He cannot seems to stay out of trouble.</s>PINSKY: That is right. Sam.</s>SCHACHER: Well, he clearly has, you know, an anger management problem. He clearly is entitled. He thinks that he is above the law at this point because he continues to get away with things. And, I think that is the problem.</s>PINSKY: Also because, well, he has been made an object of scrutiny.</s>SCHACHER: Oh poor him. He is such a victim. Oh poor Zimmerman.</s>MANETTE: He is always the victim. He is always the victim.</s>PINSKY: Mike, last hought.</s>CATHERWOOD: Well, I am just shocked that every time we check in with George Zimmerman for all these terrible reasons, he always seems to have some girlfriend. And, I have friends that are muscular and good and like upstanding moral citizens. They cannot seem to get laid no matter what. George Zimmerman has man boobs and kills people and he gets laid all the time.</s>PINSKY: And with that in mind, I will remind you, coming up we will continue the conversation about George`s man boobs, evidently. And, mind you, we are live. There is no ability to screen what Mike says, nor what I say for that matter. We will also be talking about a college class that requires you as part of the final to be naked. Back after this.