Refugee Crisis in Europe; Former Migrant:  It Could Have Been Me; The Rise of ISIS and the Refugee Crisis.
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN GUEST ANCHOR: A Kentucky clerk said she will stay in jail for as long as it takes after refusing to approve same-sex marriage licenses. I'm talking to a state senator who supports her about what happens next. You're live with me in the CNN NEWSROOM. Hello and thanks for joining me. I am Martin Savidge in for Fredricka Whitfield who had the day off. We begin now with the desperate migrant crisis in Europe where thousands of refugees, some fleeing war-torn countries have finally arrived at the Austrian border. Families walked for up to nine hours on a highway from Budapest on Friday. They began this trip after the Hungarian government stopped the train bound for Austria. But overnight, the government deployed a fleet of buses to take them to the border. This exodus of refugees is expected to continue and most seeking asylum in Germany and the United Nations is desperate to find a solution. The U.S., one of the countries helping out will most likely take in at least 3,000 Syrian refugees by the end of this month. That's according to the State Department. Joining me now on the phone is CNN's Fredrick Pleitgen, who is at the border where the refugees continue to arrive. Fred, is the Austrian government providing any kind of shelter or aide for these people as they arrive?</s>FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Yes, they certainly are, Martin. In fact it's quiet remarkable the amount of aid that's being provided. There are buses that are coming from the Hungarian side of the border. They have to walk across the border to get on to Austrian territory and once they get there, they are provided with water. They are provided with food. There are medical facilities. It really is actually quite remarkable to see the amount of aid that has been donated in a very short time span. Because the Austrian authorities didn't know that this big influx of refugees were coming until early this morning. It's a Saturday morning here, but immediately the community sprang into action and started a major donations drive. I am seeing people handing out food to people that have just gotten here. It's quit cold here now in this part of Austria. I can see the refugees with thick jackets on. One of the things that the officers are trying to do is get them on trains as well as possible to make sure that they're able to continue the journey to Vienna and other places as well. It's heartwarming scenes after the people have had over the past couple of days in the journey across much of Eastern Europe and to see that they're getting attention and most importantly that they're being welcomed here with the smile by the local population -- Martin.</s>SAVIDGE: Yes, that's good news, Fred. Germany seems to be the destination they're headed too. Explain why that is.</s>PLEITGEN: Well, I think that it's a mix of reasons for why people want to go to Germany. They have heard that Germany is very powerful. They have also heard that Germany does take in a lot of people. It's also very important. There have been so much debate over the last couple of months with the countries and treating the whole migration crisis that's happening more as a border control issue and they have to build up fences on the borders. How do we keep the people out? Whereas the German government has done a pivot recently and say that we want to welcome them. The new number that the German government has put out it says that up to 800,000 could come to Germany this year alone, and that's at least the ones that come from Syria and Iraq would have good chances of staying there. That's something that many of these people have heard as well that leave the countries that they can stay in. Therefore that's certainly one of the factors that drive them to say that this is where we want to be. And the other thing quite frankly is that they're going to get a good facility and live under good circumstances there. That's certainly also something that many people say that draws them to want to try to Germany.</s>SAVIDGE: All right, we will see if that goodwill holds up. Fredrick Pleitgen, thank you very much joining us from Austria. The young Syrian boy who's become that symbolic face of the refugee crisis in Europe was laid to rest yesterday. We're going to warn you that this picture is disturbing. The 2-year-old was found face down on a Turkish beach. He drowned at sea while crossing the Mediterranean with his family. Yesterday his body was brought back to his native home of Kobani, Syria where he was buried with his older brother and his mother. So an increasingly desperate situation unfolding there in Europe as we've seen and joining me now is the former U.S. ambassador to Syria and to Israel, Edward Djerejian. He is currently the director of the Baker Institute at Rice University in Houston. Many of these immigrants that we are seeing, these refugees are fleeing violence from Syria since that civil was began more than four years ago. Could the international community have taken action long before now that tried to have this evolve into a full blown crisis or prevent that rather? Can you hear me, sir?</s>EDWARD DJEREJIAN, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO SYRIA: Yes, I believe the response to your question is yes I think what we're seeing is a failure of world leadership in resolving the critical crisis in Syria that has now spread to Iraq with ISIS. It's been now four years as you stated that the Syrian conflict has taken over 280,000 lives. Most of the -- almost half of the refugees that you referred to in Europe, there are about 320,000 approximately half of those are Syrians escaping the war. You showed the iconic photo of the young boy that's captured the imagination of the world, but I also noted a statement by a 13-year- old Syrian boy in Europe that was migrating there with his family, and he said we don't want really to go to Europe. We want to go back to our home in Syria. Please stop the war in Syria so we can go back. The real solution is to resolve these conflicts in Syria and Iraq in order to stem the origin of this access. Of course, there are other refugees from Afghanistan, Somali, but it's the crisis in the east that's the cause of what we're seeing in Europe.</s>SAVIDGE: I don't think that the United States or the public is to desire or wanting to get involved militarily into Syria any more than they are. So I am wondering is the other answer for more countries like the U.S. to step forward and say we will take these migrants in. Come here?</s>DJEREJIAN: Well, the United States has a policy of receiving approximately 75,000 migrants and refugees per year. As you know some senators have put forward a proposal to increase our intake of some of the 65,000 refugees from Syria, but it's limited. The entry levels of the refugees into the United States have been limited to that type of number.</s>SAVIDGE: And so where does this go. Do you just see this saying that you come to us and encourage them to leave the refugee camps along the border? It seems that this is only going to get worse.</s>DJEREJIAN: Look at it again structurally the Europeans have welcomed the migrant laborers because they need labor. The demographics of population growth in Europe are declining and so a country like Germany does need labor. They have had a tradition if you will of welcoming laborers for economic reasons. But now with these political crises in the Middle East, it is becoming humanitarian crisis. I don't see it ending in the near term. When you look at the number of Syrian refugees in Turkey almost 2 million in Lebanon, and almost a third of the population in Lebanon and Jordan about 700,000, those refugees also are going to be seeking some of them exit into Europe and elsewhere. So unless there is a solution to the horrible conflicts that we're witnessing in Syria and Iraq and the rise of ISIS and instability in these countries and failed leadership. I mean, when you get down to the source of it, it's the failed leadership of these governments in the Arab countries that have not provided the basic services and security and economic growth for the people that have caused extremist groups like ISIS and al Qaeda to cause the havoc in these countries. Bashar Al-Assad, the president of Syria, he fired on his own people and virtually ignited the civil war there. Conflict resolution is the structure solution. In between that far bridge, the community and international community has to come together and coordinate on refugee relief.</s>SAVIDGE: Ambassador Djerejian, thank you very much for your insights. We hope they do come together and love to see an end to that conflict. Thank you. Authorities maybe closing in on Mexican drug lord, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman. It appears that his own son may have exposed his location on social media. El Chapo escaped from a Mexican prison through an underground tunnel back in July and has not been seen since. Nick Valencia joins us now with more on that. Nick, this is a story that we started to instantly talk about. He made the goof, and who knows where it could lead.</s>NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It could be on purpose. It could be a very calculated move by his son. But so far a $5 million reward and investigators have not lead to the capture of the world's most notorious drug trafficker. This tweet on the account believed to be that of El Chapo's son could provide a new include to the drug lords whereabouts.</s>VALENCIA (voice-over): Is this the newest photo of one of the world's wanted fugitives. Joaquin El Chapo Guzman's son would like the world to think so. This week posted on a Twitter page believed to belong to the son of the drug cartel king pen. This caption, "Comfortable here, you already know with who." Flanked by two identified men whose faces are covered by oversized emojis, the photo appears to show 29-year-old Alfredo Guzman sitting at a restaurant with a man whose mustache resembles that of his fathers. It's clear from some of the comments many hoped it is him. These men give more to Mexico than the rotten government, one user writes. Another writes, be safe, my hero. The location tag on the photo says Costa Rica. CNN contacted Costa Rican authorities who said, "We are aware of the pictures that has surfaced, but we believe the Costa Rica they're talking about is not in our country, but a town in Mexico. There are no current investigations targeting Mr. Guzman in Costa Rica." There's a fishing town about 30 minutes south in Sinaloa, Mexico and the same state in Mexico where El Chapo was born. A spokesman tells CNN we're aware of the photo and looking into it. Here we go. It was nearly two months ago that Mexican authorities announced that the world's most notorious drug trafficker escape from Mexico's maximum security prison using this tunnel. (on camera): The tunnel stretches for more than a mile carved out the earth here in a modified train track for the mini motorcycle. It's electricity lines. It's difficult to breath down here, a lot of dirt and dust. This is for the ventilation system. It's a tight, tight space down here. For a man known as El Chapo, I am sure that he had more than enough room to work with. (voice-over): El Chapo has been on the run ever since with no signs of his whereabouts. If the Twitter photo actually is of the Mexican drug lord, the post is nearly as bold and brazen as his escape, the drug kingpin son seemingly mocking authorities and showing his father hiding in plain sight.</s>VALENCIA: Whether it was to brag, a mistake or to throw investigators off the location of El Chapo there's no telling if El Chapo's son meant to leave that location tag on the photo. In the past he has bragged about the life style that he leads. This now maybe the first clue that we see if this is El Chapo. A lot of people do think that is.</s>SAVIDGE: Yes, that's waving a red flag at authorities. Nick, thank you very much. Next, a clerk in Kentucky spends her weekend in jail after refusing to issue a marriage license to same-sex couples. A state senator joins me to talk about what he plans to do about it all. Stay here.