Alex Chadwick speaks with Paul Rogers, professor of peace studies at the University of Bradford, for analysis on anti-terror measures taken by the British government after last week's transit bombings in London. Rogers is the author of A War on Terror: Afghanistan and After.
ALEX CHADWICK, host: Britain's Home Secretary Charles Clarke met in Brussels today with      interior ministers from the other 24 European Union nations.  They're      discussing what new anti-terrorism measures might be needed to take on      the threat of more bombings.  Paul Rogers is a professor of peace studies      at the University of Bradford, which is not far from Leeds, where the      bombing investigation is focused now.</s>ALEX CHADWICK, host: Professor Rogers, welcome to DAY TO DAY.</s>Professor PAUL ROGERS (University of Bradford): Hello.</s>ALEX CHADWICK, host: Do you know what sort of new anti-terrorism measures these      ministers are talking about?</s>Professor PAUL ROGERS (University of Bradford): Much of it is going to be concerned with trying to      coordinate the work they do rather better in terms of maintaining records      of suspects, in terms of being able to communicate in relation to      electronic records.  It's very much a feeling that across Europe some      countries are better interconnected than others and there needs to be      much more scope for closer coordination.</s>ALEX CHADWICK, host: Prime Minister Blair speaking in the House of Commons today      said that it's going to be necessary to strengthen the process for      excluding from the United Kingdom those who incite hatred.  Is he talking      about fundamentally changing the nature of Britain?</s>Professor PAUL ROGERS (University of Bradford): I think that at the moment the government is rather      reeling from the information that's come to light in the last 24 hours or      so, that the people responsible for the atrocities last week are people      who'd been brought up in Britain and were part of British communities.      And there is, therefore, a feeling that while they may have been directly      responsible, then there have been others from outside who, so to speak,      masterminded the operation.  I think it is those kinds of people that      Prime Minister Blair is talking about. We don't have yet any detail about      any changed legislation.  So for the moment, I think this may be a kind      of reaction to what has happened as much as anything to reassure people      that further steps may be taken to keep out the kinds of people who would      incite this kind of behavior.</s>ALEX CHADWICK, host: Police are now talking about the high quality of explosives      that they've found linked to these bombers at locations in West Yorkshire      and down in the south of England.  Isn't this material very difficult to      get in Britain, and does this suggest international involvement?</s>Professor PAUL ROGERS (University of Bradford): It probably does suggest international involvement.      Britain has very strong systems of control within civil industry.  There      are very strict licenses for acquiring such material, but across Europe,      there are both gray and black markets in this kind of material, and a lot      of it went almost astray towards the end of the Cold War 10 to 15 years      ago.  And that actually provides a kind of pool for people to work      completely illicitly, but it certainly does mean as you suggest that      there is very likely to be some sort of international connection.</s>ALEX CHADWICK, host: What do you expect to be happening in your country as you try      to grapple with this investigation and with where this investigation has      brought you now; that is, to the observation that these are Britons?</s>Professor PAUL ROGERS (University of Bradford): One of the crucial things I think in Britain, particularly      in the coming four or five days through the next weekend, will be whether      it is possible to avoid major community problems.  The city of Leeds,      which is close to where I live, and the city of Bradford, more or less      next door--they're twin cities--with an even larger Asian origin      population, people have worked incredibly hard in the last four or five      years to improve community relations. And I think people locally are      hoping very much that things will hold together.  There is a feeling at      present that the few people responsible for the bombings were isolated      individuals and that to an extent is at least helping the whole process      of preventing violence against the communities from which they come.</s>ALEX CHADWICK, host: Paul Rogers is professor of peace studies at the University of      Bradford in England.</s>ALEX CHADWICK, host: Professor Rogers, thank you for being with us.</s>Professor PAUL ROGERS (University of Bradford): Thank you.