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CUOMO: A California judge is going to decide today whether to release Donald Trump's video deposition in the Trump University fraud case. Trump was recorded answering questions about Trump University as part of a lawsuit. Now, it's just one of the suits that alleged, despite promises, Trump University was not a university. The school did not teach Donald Trump's real estate secrets and teachers and mentors were neither real estate experts nor handpicked by Donald Trump. This morning, you're going to hear from one of those so-called experts. Decide for yourself. CNN senior investigative correspondent, Drew Griffin, invited the man who helped bring in the money for Trump University to chat, and he did. Drew, thank you.</s>GRIFFIN: Thanks, Chris. James Harris is his name. He claims to be a real expert and for Trump University. He claims he was one of the best salesmen there. The real estate seminar business for Trump raked in an estimated $40 million from people who thought they would be taught Donald Trump's real estate secrets. James Harris is one of the people who sold them on that dream.</s>HARRIS: We were bringing in the money.</s>GRIFFIN: A lot of it.</s>HARRIS: A lot of money.</s>GRIFFIN: Were you -- you said you were the top guy? Were you the top guy?</s>HARRIS: I don't know if I was, I just know I'm really good at what I do.</s>GRIFFIN: You've said you were the top guy.</s>HARRIS: OK, so maybe I was the top guy. I don't really know if I was or not. I just know that my numbers were one of the -- from week, to week, to week, my numbers were in the top one or two.</s>GRIFFIN: James Harris' job was to get people to believe they, too, could be as successful at real estate as Donald Trump and to reel them in, sign them up, get them to pay as much as $34,000 on the promise that the next seminar, the next class would teach them all they would need to know. What do you know about real estate?</s>HARRIS: Real estate is a very wide, huge business. I got involved in real estate, personally myself, in the 90's.</s>GRIFFIN: And if you attended a James Harris, Trump University seminar you would hear a lot more about Harris' claims of success and experience in real estate, claims made in this verbatim transcript of a Trump seminar he gave in San Bernardino, California. Do you remember when you said this? "I'm a former licensed agent broker. At 29, I became the top one percent broker in the country. I build homes in Atlanta, Georgia and Iused to live in Beverly Hills."</s>HARRIS: Yes, if I said those things they are true. I did live in Beverly Hills and</s>I -- GRIFFIN: We have no record of you ever living in Beverly Hills.</s>HARRIS: OK, well --</s>GRIFFIN: We can't find your broker's license anywhere.</s>HARRIS: OK.</s>GRIFFIN: And I have no idea what homes you built in Atlanta, Georgia. Did you build homes in Georgia?</s>HARRIS: I'm not prepared to answer those questions today.</s>GRIFFIN: This is part of your pitch. Is any of that true?</s>HARRIS: Again, I'm not going to answer those questions because I haven't seen that.</s>GRIFFIN: Well, you certainly know what you've done in your life.</s>HARRIS: Well, I don't know if I -- I don't know where that's coming from. I don't know --</s>GRIFFIN: This is a transcript submitted in court --</s>HARRIS: I've never seen it. I don't know what --</s>GRIFFIN: -- out of the taped --</s>HARRIS: I don't know if that's a court document.</s>GRIFFIN: -- presentation that you gave --</s>HARRIS: I don't know if that's a court document or not.</s>GRIFFIN: -- in San Bernardino, California.</s>HARRIS: I've never seen it.</s>GRIFFIN: It's a court document.</s>HARRIS: OK.</s>GRIFFIN: Well, what do you know about real estate?</s>HARRIS: Again, I'm not prepared to answer those questions today. This is about Trump University.</s>BOB GUILLO, FORMER STUDENT, TRUMP UNIVERSITY: He kept walking up and down the aisle flashing his Rolex in our faces.</s>GRIFFIN: Bob Guillo was one of James Harris' students. He is part of a lawsuit trying to get back his $34,000. He says the school was a fraud, so was his teacher.</s>GUILLO: He bragged that he had dinner with Donald Trump.</s>GRIFFIN: Did you ever have dinner with him?</s>HARRIS: I never had dinner with him.</s>GRIFFIN: Hmm, Bob Guillo was in one of your conferences and you said you'd just had dinner with Donald Trump at one of your speaking engagements.</s>HARRIS: I don't have any recollection of that.</s>GRIFFIN: James Harris admits his main job wasn't to teach real estate, it was to sell real estate seminars, always with the goal of hooking his audience into buying more classes.</s>HARRIS: I was told to promote and sell the Trump University packages and the programs that they were offering, and that's what I did. They had to pay a fee to come to further their training at the next event, so it was -- you know, it went from event, to event, to event.</s>GRIFFIN: Is that step-by-step, as it's been described? Upsell, by upsell, by upsell?</s>HARRIS: Kind of, sort of, yes. It's a little upsell from, you know, well, if you pay this amount we're going to teach you this much. If you pay this amount, we're going to go further with you.</s>GRIFFIN: Here's an email you wrote. "I just spoke to Austin and Irene, the older retired couple who had to pull the $30,000 balance for the gold and she said it's done and should be in Monday, so that will be another $35K. We will easily have another $100K hit by Friday. Yahoo!" Your associate, Brian, responds, "We've always been a dangerous team, brother man. These peeps don't have a chance against us (smiley face)."</s>HARRIS: That's called sales.</s>GRIFFIN: Is that called ripping off an old couple --</s>HARRIS: Absolutely not.</s>GRIFFIN: -- named Austin and Irene</s>HARRIS: Absolutely not.</s>GRIFFIN: -- of $30,000?</s>HARRIS: Again, I never saw that email but that is sales. That's a typical sales email between two sales people working on a -- working on a deal. I don't know if those people had the money or not. They could have -- they could have been putting up their last dollar, I don't know. All I know is that --</s>GRIFFIN: Do you care?</s>HARRIS: Of course, we care, but I was doing my job. We did our job.</s>GRIFFIN: Regardless of if they could afford it or not?</s>HARRIS: Regardless if they could afford it or not. I didn't know if they could afford it or not. That was not my position. That was not my job. Other people did that. I don't know if they could afford it or not. We were told to show them all the ways that they could afford it and could come up with the finances to get into the business, period, end of story.</s>GRIFFIN: Chris, did Donald Trump even know James Harris? The answer seems to be no. Trump couldn't recall a single name of his live events instructors when he was asked under oath, even the self- described salesman who claims he was Trump's number one. As for James Harris, he has moved on to a new venture posting easy money work-from-home videos on the internet. And, yes, he is touting his success at Trump University as one of the reasons you can continue to trust him -- Chris.</s>HARLOW: You had all of us silent watching that entire thing, Drew, and I kept asking myself why did JamesHarris talk? Why did he talk to you?</s>GRIFFIN: You know, he is all over the internet. He calls himself "Uncle Jim" and he likes to sell this idea that you could make so much money from home. I think the guy just has a huge ego. He didn't understand what was about to be happening in that CNN interview and many of us thought he would just get up and walk out. He stayed there and he answered the questions, sort of.</s>HARLOW: We just think of the people -- the $35,000 -- that couple, and how many more.</s>CUOMO: You asked all the right questions, all the rights questions. And often, some of the best answers are the questions that they can't answer or won't answer. Drew Griffin, thank you very much, and we know there's a lot more reporting to be done there so we'll stay with you. All right, there's a lot of news this morning. Let's get right to it.</s>BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have spoken at too many memorials, I've hugged too many families.</s>DAVID BROWN, POLICE CHIEF, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT: These five men gave their lives.</s>OBAMA: We ask the police to do too much and we ask too little of ourselves.</s>GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We are grief- stricken, heartbroken, and forever grateful.</s>HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: These tragedies tear at our soul.</s>DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE: I am the law and order candidate.</s>REP. PAUL RYAN (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: It is either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.</s>SEN. 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