San Francisco Cops Block Cell Service; "I Deserved to Get Shot!"; Snowcone Cash Helps Fight Hunger; Bachmann Explains "Submissive Wives"
HOLMES: About 14 minutes past the hour. Give you a look at stories making news cross country. In San Francisco, police shut down cell phone service. They did this for a reason, though. They were trying to stop a protest. They got word there would be a repeat of demonstrations at a public transit station just like last month. Those protests kind of shut down the public transit system there for a while, but with all the cell service shut down in that area, police say the commute went off without a hitch. Also, the sister in the so-called Dougherty gang, you see her smiling there, she's it telling the FBI that she deserved to get shot. She was shot in the leg during a shootout with police in Colorado. That was on Wednesday. Lee Dougherty, she was smiling in that picture. These are new pictures. She and her brothers are warranted for armed bank robbery in Georgia and attempted murder in Florida. They're set to be in court again Monday. Also, this is a great story. Let's you know you can help out as well. Kids in Oregon, two Springville, Oregon kids, they are helping to raise money to fight hunger in Somalia. You know what they're doing? What they can. They're selling snow cones and they're selling them for 50 cents apiece. Amia and Jonathan, they're 9 and 6-years-olds after seeing the news reports they just wanted to do something to pitch in. You can, too. Sell snow cones if you want to, but you've got other options as well. You can head over to cnn.com/impact to find out how you can pitch in as well. It's 16 minutes past the hour now. There was a question last night that really kind of disturbed the audience at the presidential debate. It was a question that went to Congresswoman Michele Bachmann. She was asked whether or not she would be a submissive wife to her husband if she was elected president. Listen to her answer.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In 2006 when you were running for Congress, you described a moment in your life when your husband said you should study for a degree in tax law. You said you hated the idea and then you explained, quote, "but the Lord said be submissive. Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands." As president, would you be submissive to your husband?</s>BACHMANN: What submission means to us, if that's what your question is, it means respect. I respect my husband. He's a wonderful, Godly man and a great father and he respects me as his wife. That's how we operate our marriage.</s>HOLMES: All right, let me bring in Dr. Alduan Tartt, he's a relationship expert. He's joining me now from Houston. To hear that question, what is your reaction to hear a presidential candidate on stage getting that question?</s>ALDUAN TARTT, PSYCHOLOGIST: I mean, it it's a question that all women have to answer. They have the balance between being a career woman and also being a wife. If we talk about from at biblical standpoint they kind of have to wear two hats, which makes it extremely difficult because they're two different skill sets.</s>HOLMES: Well, Doctor Tartt, help me understand then, help us all understand, what is meant -- I guess, it may mean different things to different people. But in your estimation, what does it mean to submit to your husband?</s>TARTT: See, that's the thing. We're talking about one side of submission, but in Ephesians in the bible it talks about two sides of submission. That means husbands submit to your wives and wives submit to your husbands. How the question was posed, it sounded like oppression and they started talking about control versus allowing your partner to influence you. That's why it's such a hot button issue. Because when we start talking about marriages, we forget some marriages involve control and domestic violence. So it seems like it's a mixed message in telling women to submit to husbands that don't love their wives. But in reality it's supposed to be a mutual influence.</s>HOLMES: Now, I'm reading here, I actually have it pulled up, it says, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ and it also says, wives submit yourselves to your own husbands. It says husbands love your wives just as Christ loved the church. Now, is there another place, or is that just interpreted to mean the same thing as submit to your wife?</s>TARTT: Well, you know, it talks about there being conditions under which women should submit to men. A man that does not love you the way Christ loved the church, you should not submit to him. That's where a lot of people get confused. Sometimes people will be taught or they'll be coerced and say, stay with your husband even though he's beating on you or even though he's being controlling. No, that's nowhere in the bible or nowhere within healthy relationships. What we have to do is just make sure that we love one another and we allow each partner to influence the other. You have to yield to win sometimes.</s>HOLMES: Well, maybe that's the word because my next question was, you say people kind of misconstrue this and maybe confuse this. So besides submission, what would you say is a better word that people could get their heads around a little better? What would you replace "submit" with?</s>TARTT: I think we have to have compassion for one another or something called binocular vision where we're able to see it the way we do and the way our partner sees it at the same time. Marriage is about a couple. When Bachmann was talking about going back to school, I think what she was referencing was allowing her husband to influence her decision making. At the end of the day, she decided to do that for herself, and I think it came off wrong because of the question. But it's something that women have to balance and it's an amazing thing to be a woman and that they have to go to work but then they come home and have a completely different skill set. And people don't like the word "submit" because it makes us think about oppression, abuse and slavery.</s>HOLMES: Well, Dr. Tartt --</s>TARTT: Think compassion.</s>HOLMES: Think compassion. I am so glad we were able to get you on today because this is certainly a hot topic and it can be an offensive one as you know to a lot of people as well. But thank you for taking the time out. You enjoy the rest of your weekend.</s>TARTT: Thank you. A happy wife is a happy life.</s>HOLMES: Don't I know it. All right, 20 minutes past the hour. Coming up, is it Farrah Fawcett as Barbie or Barbie as Farrah? Either way, we've got a hit to show you. Also, we've got a meteor shower expected to hit its peak tonight. 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