Hillary World And 2016; Worst Uniform Ever?
AMY CHOZICK, POLITICAL REPORTER, "THE NEW YORK TIMES": -- involved and feel heard without creating that chaos that destroyed her the last time.</s>KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: It seems also there is a struggle between the old garden and the new Clinton land.</s>CHOZICK: Well, absolutely, I mean, the Clintons came to power when big digging up opposition research files is how you win presidential campaigns. The Obama campaign really mastered the data game. They're going to bring in the new people who know how to wage a campaign of 2016.</s>CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Opposition research still very much a part of politics. One of the interesting dynamics is you say yourself, the Clintons. Hillary is going to have to distinguish herself to win this election.</s>CHOZICK: Absolutely.</s>CUOMO: Do you get any sense a lot of them are Bill's people, as to why Hillary is better than Bill on any level? This is a big challenge in house and out of house.</s>CHOZICK: It's a really interesting question because right now Bill Clinton's people are very focused on legacy building. He talks a lot about the Clinton years. She does too. But she cannot look like a candidate of the '90s. She is no longer the first lady, the president's wife. She's been a senator, secretary of state, presidential candidate. They want people to look at her as her own person.</s>BOLDUAN: John, come into this discussion. Something also that Hillary Clinton has to fight and David Axelrod notes this suggestion that this is a coronation. That was one of the problems that she had in 2007 when she was encased in a presumption of inevitability. But if you look at the latest polling, she's what, 65 percent among Democratic registered voters versus Biden who is 8 percent. She is still fighting that battle?</s>JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: She wishes all these primaries would be tomorrow so she could have the election with her at those numbers. Remember, at this point back in 2006, this kid named Barack Obama was not even registering in the polls. So can she be beat? Yes. Is there anybody out there now viewed as a credible contender? Absolutely not. Because of that and because of history, remember, history says the Republicans win the next presidential election. In our lifetime, only George H.W. Bush, a Republican has succeeded a two term president of his own party. That's one of the reasons you see this, they say it's our turn, but all these people flocking to her. Former Obama people saying let's just build fortress Hillary on the ground because she's the only one that can keep the White House in Democratic hands. As we've talked about before, she's been inevitable before. That has to be a bell on the back of her head, I've lived this dream before and it turned into a nightmare. Number two to Amy's point, you know, Bill Clinton went through this in 1992 on a much smaller scale. Hillary land is a lot bigger than Bill's campaigns ever were. But he had the Arkansas guard. There was a lot of tension at first. They finally figured it out, but the candidate sets the tone. The candidate has to referee it. That's what she didn't do in 2008.</s>CUOMO: You did a good job. It's not easy to get in there. Of course, you had them seeing who could talk, you did a good job of unpacking who's around her. The question is, what kind of candidate can they mold? It's tough when you have Bill Clinton as your husband. He is also going to be a lot of comparison for people early on. Is she better than he was? It's just part of politics?</s>CHOZICK: Absolutely. And then there's a question of how to use Bill Clinton, which came up a lot in 2008. You know, how do we utilize him as a surrogate without having him steal her thunder? So that is going to be a question as well.</s>BOLDUAN: Let's talk about this cover that's got a lot of attention.</s>CHOZICK: I've got it.</s>BOLDUAN: We've got a graphic of it right here for you. An assumption this was coming at you when you guys went out there with this? What do you make of the reaction?</s>CHOZICK: I kept describing this as a story about her orbit. They didn't know I was quite so literally.</s>CUOMO: And you don't pick the cover to be fair.</s>CHOZICK: I didn't pick the cover. When they showed it to me, I definitely thought, oh, this is going to drive a lot of reaction.</s>BOLDUAN: Let's show some of the other options that people have taken creative license with using the Hillary Clinton planet. John King, what would be your cropping of choice?</s>KING: I think -- not crop of choice here. But ever since I first started covering Hillary Clinton, when I started covering Bill Clinton back in the last '80s into the early '90s, there's been a debate about her hair style. We're not talking about her hair. Maybe that's a victory.</s>BOLDUAN: And we're not talking about pant suits. They like this.</s>CUOMO: Or they're going to say they don't like it because they're going to say you're not showing her respect. Is that a fair criticism?</s>BOLDUAN: Because Paul Begala was not a fan of it.</s>CHOZICK: Interesting. I don't know being a planetary body seems respectful. I could understand where they wouldn't think it was the most flattering.</s>CUOMO: That's not the motivating tone?</s>CHOZICK: Of course not, no, absolutely not.</s>BOLDUAN: It's got a lot of people talking.</s>CUOMO: It's good to generate buzz because you are far out. An interesting point to end on, John, you brought this up, Senator Barack Obama then, right, during the primaries. He wasn't registering well. Hillary was seeming stronger than him on small issues. Do you believe that she will benefit from the idea of buyer's remorse on President Obama? You hear this in Democratic circles. I wonder if she would have been better than the president is being right now, what do you make of that suggestion?</s>KING: I do think there is a bit of that among Democratic activists. Her argument was he's not ready to be president. Once Iowa, New Hampshire, once he became credible, he had such a huge advantage because African-Americans support went to him in droves. She was a loyal soldier after that campaign. One of the reasons you see so many of Team Obama trying to support Team Hillary, they think OK. First African-American president, that's great. Now it is time to elect the first female president and she is the one who can do it, but let's also be honest. There are some raw politics to this Democrats now consume the federal government. These are their friends and their families in all these jobs. They lose the White House. They lose those jobs. If they look around, no offense to the governors out there, they look around at the other candidates and they say, history says Republicans will win unless we nominate the battle ship.</s>BOLDUAN: John King, thank you as always. Amy, thank you as well. You can read Amy's piece in this issue of "New York Times" magazine.</s>CUOMO: Coming up on NEW DAY, pop star, Justin Bieber's legal troubles. They are real. What's behind this behaviour? What's the motivation? We are going to talk about that and we're going to talk about why isn't someone helping this kid?</s>BOLDUAN: Also ahead, the reviews are coming in for this year's Olympic uniform for opening ceremonies. Just take a look and you can decide, classic style or something akin to ugly Christmas sweater. We're going to hash this out coming up.