Title: Gothic rock - Wikipedia
Headings: Gothic rock
Gothic rock
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Forerunners (1960s and 1970s)
Origins
Expansion of the scene
Subsequent developments
Visual elements
Impact
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Content: The reason is due largely to comments made by the band's manager Tony Wilson and the band's guitarist Bernard Albrecht about Joy Division's sound in 1979. The term "goth" was applied much more regularly a few years later when the term "goth" was jokingly used by people in Brixton 's punk in-crowd to describe Andi Sex Gang of gothic rock band Sex Gang Children. Joy Division appeared a little earlier than the goth subculture. Joy Division's music has often instead been described as "proto-goth". Whether Joy Division is a gothic rock band or not is often debated. Many consider them a gothic rock band whereas many don't. Author Christopher Partridge writes that although fans argue about over whether Joy Division is goth, simply "proto-goth" or neither, the argument is that the band's lyrics, music, album covers, and Curtis' life all show characteristics that are "fundamentally gothic". Author Isabella van Elferen writes: There are old school goths, for instance, who claim Joy Division was authentically gloomy proto-goth, and that you had to be there to really understand them; there are former punks who respond in fury, claiming Joy Division had nothing to do with goth, but were authentically punk, and so goth should stay away from them;