> germans are just mind broken people i refused to go along with this humiliation ritual, so i was told of by the idiotic rule followers all the time.   russians also wait until they get a green man even if there are no cars around? my somewhat educated guess is that the norwegian type where the car is responsible for every accident with a pedestrian leads to less accidents, as the drivers pay attention.  roundabouts have less accidents than traffic lights because nobody knows how the other drivers will act.
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