> ungrateful shitty kids who dont respect you and will grow to hate you destroying you emotionally and probably physically i don't think it's that grim with having children. generally children do love both their parents. the overwhelming majority of families i know have kids that love their father. as for marriage it's rough because the social contract is so one sided and society doesn't even attempt to discuss women's roles in the failure of marriages. not even in the slightest gentlest ways. so it's all very one sided, charlie's statement is an example of that because women are the frivolous shoppers generally. i do think the rhetoric is changing though, because it's now unavoidable since so many people are talking about the one sidedness of marriage online.  i have hope things can heal to healthier levels.
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