what i really do not enjoy about these kinds of discussions is that most of the time people are too busy mucking about in the swamps and weeds instead of zooming out and looking at the grand picture of reality. the greatest question of them all is > why is any of this shit here at all in the first place discussing the nature of consciousness and reality too often presupposes the intentionality of material existence in the first place. terry davis has a great quote comparing our understanding of reality as akin to his pet bird staring at his computer monitor. it is an apt metaphor. materialism is completely ridiculous. it has always been amusing to me that there is a great correlation between materialists and anti-materialists based upon which fields of human knowledge one has studied and learned. those concerned with functional sciences like biology are overwhelmingly and zealously materialists, while those who study physics and math tend be opposed or hostile towards materialism. claims like op are simply speculative. suggestions about higher orders of the material world beyond our ability to measure or quantify might not be speculative, but are certainly subjective. it's also irritating that people somehow continue to promote artificially-limiting definitions and concepts of "god." i guess, tl;dr, it is all so very irritating.
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