> they had 3 years to do it, and they really tried, if you don't believe me then look what the western leaders have been obsesses about in the past 3 years, its mainly russia and defeating russia. as long as the war drags on russia will continue to weaken demographically which i think is the most important objective for the us.  > they can't do it, nato military industries are not designed for mass land warfare and they can't change it.they still struggling to manufacture artillery shells. because it isn't a priority. russia has oriented its entire economy to winning the war, europe wants to give away as little as possible while retaining other parts of its economy. russia has oil and gas to export, europe doesn't have those kinds of resources to trade.  > its hard to view this as anything other than a major geostrategic defeat of nato and the west. it's a defeat for russia regardless if they win or not.
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