> against people who had nothing to do with any of this stuff, how the do you know for each instance?  the car was wrong, but the beatings seem justified to me; you can see two of the people beat were the same ones tearing the flag, and you can't deny there was a massive amount of hooligans disrespecting the flood victims,   4651497604129256 meaning it's not at all unreasonable to believe a significant number of them were assholes starting shit. if people who behaved themselves and didn't kill kids over the past year were beat, i'll admit that sucks, and i've already said the car thing sucks, too. that said, the evidence we have shows these fans as largely unruly criminal hooligans prior to the beatings, so it's kinda hard to assume that not only were israelis targeted at random, but a significant amount of those beaten were the seeming minority who were entirely innocent. i will say i do appreciate you engaging in good faith and giving ground on some points. i think that kinda attitude is generally needed for a future where innocent people aren't getting needlessly killed.
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