forget votes for just a moment my main problem is that it seems you just don't want anything to change at all moderation needs to be more transparent and more easily visible to anybody perhaps some mechanism of automoderation also be a way to sidestep corruption but no matter what the system, the main problem is that there is just zero participation in it and without participation of the people in even the best system one could devise for implementation among the people will be utterly useless it seems to me you've just deferred any analysis and consideration to some vague notion of "status quo" and "good enough" but the truth is that things here have been changing and changing for the worse and no, things in fact aren't good enough and can change more deliberately for the better   based politically literate frog vs superficially politically pessimistic retard kraut yeah, it's not doom and gloom and the structurla issues in our societies and democracies are just that - structural won't change overnight and no political shift will change the societal decline it will take years and a change of approach that only we can affect
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