yes, that was the point i was implying. when did hip hop become mainstream? mid 1980s? that's 40 years and it's still ubiquitous. punk lasted what - 18 months - as a mainstream genre? both are comparable in terms of lack of musical talent and technical ability. both are subversive genres mostly aimed at angry teens. yet somehow hip hop is still here, radicalising young black males and glorifying criminality and violence. it's intensely misogynistic yet somehow never gets cancelled. funny, that.
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