i'm not talking about an ideology, i'm talking about an actual thing. what you call it, the system that gets you to it is ultimately arbitrary except for whether or not it gets you there.  > it's never been tested it's been tested again and again by countless civilizations and cultures > there is an ebb and flow to these things yes and sometimes rivers and lakes run completely dry and never flow again. or they're replaced with a trickle of water where once a raging river was
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