even back during 2016, the commie and the alt-right only wanted to going postal against their nation and their political enemy and nothing else. bernie and corbyn(arguably)'s democratic socialism allows liberals to salvage some of the communist while maga was having a schism between alt-right and alt-lite over whether the right(tm) should keep larping as tea party or larp as brownshirt. it's not about retvrn to pre-2008 (and even pre-2012) culture. it's about nihilistic genocide against each others
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