yeah the level of corruption in ukraine is.... basically the system is corruption, just like in russia. there's no other way things work. to make them unlearn all that and adopt another mindset would take more than a decade. we would not have made it if we didn't have a president who had the balls to say: fuck it, let's put politicians in prison for corruption, even if they're from my party. that broke the system and destructured it. so we were able to get some level of grip on corruption since then. but it's a continuous struggle
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