> breakaway community > adapt to my environment  these are conflicting ideals  im not trying to change your mind anon, but i do think that a top-down approach is impossible (like balticanon stated). only a bottom-up change can work. and lastly, i would argue that one can still thrive in shitty modern society, by changing their personal values (which i completely agree that they are personal). then, the more men with strong individual values (that are adult and male) the less shitty society becomes.
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