> it literally isn't a defeat they provoked a conflict, announced their intention of inflicting a strategic defeat on russia and got defeated and pushed back.how is it not a defeat? the western sanctions failed to destroy the russian economy,quite the opposite, somehow russia managed to become the 4th largest economy during the war.the western mic failed to outproduce russian mic.the western military doctrines failed to dominate russian military doctrines.europe is de industrializing because they are cut off from russian cheap energy but they are still buying energy from russia in the form of lng through india, but not cheap.so russia still get money but europe no longer get cheap energy to fuel their industries. the west tried to isolate russia and force them into capitulation, that was their fake peace summits were about, yet instead russia managed to grow brics. > biggest nato arms manufacturers are us, france, germany, uk. if the west really wanted to they could restock the weaponry. they had 3 years to do it, and they really tried, if you don't believe me then look what the western leaders have been obsesses about in the past 3 years, its mainly russia and defeating russia. they can't do it, nato military industries are not designed for mass land warfare and they can't change it.they still struggling to manufacture artillery shells. its hard to view this as anything other than a major geostrategic defeat of nato and the west.
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