it's not some faggot nanny state, in america it was normal up until women fucked it up to send your kid to the store to buy beer for you, and it was also normal to take them into the liquor store to look at what you're buying. this id stuff is relatively new and newly enforced. in the 1970's in america you could go to a bar at 18, but nobody waited that long, they were 16 and the bar owner just asked them / their friends if they were 18 > yes. it wasn't actually normal to show id in the usa at all up until recently, you just had to look almost sort of old enough, or at least just not 12.
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