you all need to play some hoi3 and then come back and admit you dont know shit. > what is hoi3?  simulates ww2 warfare on a strategic and operational level.  lines on a map mean nothing. some incremental advances or retreats mean nothing what counts is the state of the military forces. their strength, morale, equipment, logistics, leadership, organization, and the strength of the economy which feeds the war effort. either side could be on the point of immediate collapse, or maybe in a month, or a year, or in an eternal stalemate, nobody knows unless they have inside knowledge on the state of both military forces. which none of you have. you have to be some high level politician or military to even have a glimpse of it, even then without perfect information you could still be wrong. look at a map of the western front in 1914. then look at it again in 1918. stayed much the same for nearly four years. then suddenly all the attrition, degradation of logistics, economic blockade, new allied doctrines, new allied equipment, us reinforcements, declining german moral, all of that shit hit home and the german front line collapsed. like overnight. despite the fact that they had already won on the eastern front by 1917 and had sent the eastern armies over to the western front. but in a similar way the war exhaustion and attrition had pushed the allied forces into such an exhausted state, their economies almost as equally wrecked, that they could barely pursue the germans and had little desire to continue on into germany itself. so after 4 years of bloodbath they settled on an armistice.   so without knowing the state of the military forces on both sides of the ukraine war all you can do is spout shit, which most of you are admittedly very good at doing.  yeah so play some hoi3, it simulates all this sort of shit, even if its just a ww2 game it gives you some insight into just how fragile or resilient armies can be when the right conditions are met.
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