> we are praying i know. that is what i said. you are praying to mary. the other anon apparently denied that.  > when you ask someone to pray for you, you're doing the same thing  no, that is pilpul. communicating a request to a living person is never called prayer. if i ask the grocery store clerk to give me 2x $5 bills for my $10 change i am not "praying." nobody in their right mind would call that prayer and it doesn't matter if you twist some dictionary definition into pretending otherwise.  > the saints in heaven are part of the same body of christ that we are a part of  nobody in the bible ever prayed to a saint in heaven.  > this is not that complicated exactly. consulting the dead is directly forbidden in the old testament no matter how holy the person was who was being consulted. no different with consulting mary. she can't hear us. she is in heaven and absolutely nowhere does it say god granted her superpowers to hear millions of prayers simultaneously in a different realm.  praying to mary is sinful. will you lose your salvation if you commit the sin of communicating with the dead such as mary? probably not, but it still needs to stop being done.  *yes she is dead. pilpul about being alive in heaven doesn't change that.
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