its definitely over for ukraine, i mean no matter what happens the west will either claim victory or say it was republicans fault for not supporting ukraine enough, either way it is over, demographically and psychologically the country is done, you have to understand that half of the damage of losing a war typically is the psychological damage, ww2 was a fluke because after ww1 they decided that punishing a losing country to much made them go crazier than they would have gone  but this is like watching a train wreck in slow motion and claiming that its still not to late for the train to get back on the tracks, no its done
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