nah, the point i was trying to make is that there are still lots of men who do those things and still end up with nothing. i never made the argument that all men are doing those things. in fact, the point i was making is that anyone with a degree of intelligence would see that doing these things grants them nothing, and so they are not bothering with the impossible and instead engaging in stress relief activities and distractions like video games and jacking off. this seems to be becoming the prevailing social attitude.
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