> yes because they agreed they would never do that same as south agreed to never split away from usa retarded argument, situations change. is catalonia not entitled to self determination if the people will it?   > i never said ukraine the state has legitimacy over the modern russian state. i am throwing back in your face the retarded idea that ukraine and belarus are somehow part of russia because rus existed. muscovy is in no way the natural successor to rus it's a braindead argument told to justify the russian state's expansionist policies. to deny they're the same people is to deny their common rus principality history.  > why was there an austro-prussian war? maybe austria should have realized we wuz germans and just joined up with germany? prussia was militaristically protestant and austria was catholic. are you saying it's wrong for austria to exist today even though there's no interest in 2024 of an anschluss. austrians were originally ecstatic when they decided to join up with germany, you know why? they're all the same people. i never said it's wrong, it's just stupid when you create these dumb arguments as to why one group should have independence while others shouldn't.  > no they aren't nationality is more than genetics it's also a shared historical experience. the experience of being under polish liberty vs muscovite-tatar tyranny was a big deal in the national mindset for ukraine and belarus. you can say "self-determination bad because might makes right" but you can't argue there is no such thing as a ukrainian national identity or belarusian national identity when they developed for centuries separate from muscovy. ukrainians and belarusians exist on the same continuum with russia. they are all orthdox and east slavic. this is not hard to comprehend. the cossacks decided to rebel against the poles and sign an agreement with the tsar, because they were kind and peace loving, right? fucking retard.
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