right so it's a hypothetical, so points 1 and 3 are irrelevant, you could apply this to anything, my point is why does it matter if one place existed before another place when they are apart of the same nation. for point 2 i don't even see why that matters or is relevant to my point about ukraines independence from russia being recent as for point 4 that's just untrue, at one point new york had buildings when dc had grass and rocks, just like your picture.
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