 I had a BMW 5-series when I first got this van to drive my kids around.They (I have 3) were getting into fights in the BMW.This van solved the problem, with captains chairs in the 'middle' and the third row in the back.Two years later, the BMW is gone, since I was never driving it.Either I had the kids, or was parking in a garage, or the weather was bad....pretty soon, I was driving the van all the time....;)