Published on Jul 21, 2015 
 
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 #PPSellsBabyParts SECOND PLANNED PARENTHOOD SENIOR EXECUTIVE HAGGLES OVER BABY PARTS PRICES, CHANGES ABORTION METHODS 
 
 President of PPFA Medical Directors’ Council Mary Gatter Doesn’t Want to “Lowball” Price, Suggests “Less Crunchy” Technique, Says She Wants a Lamborghini 
 
 
 
 Contact: David Daleiden, david@centerformedicalprogress.org, 949.734.0859 
 
 
 
 LOS ANGELES, July 21—A second undercover video shows Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Medical Directors’ Council President, Dr. Mary Gatter, haggling over payments for intact fetal specimens and offering to use a “less crunchy technique” to get more intact body parts. 
 
 
 
 It is similar to last week’s viral video showing PPFA Senior Director of Medical Services Dr. Deborah Nucatola admitting to using partial-birth abortions to get intact parts and suggesting a price range of $30 to $100 per specimen. 
 
 
 
 Gatter is a senior official within Planned Parenthood and is President of the Medical Directors’ Council, the central committee of all Planned Parenthood affiliate medical directors. 
 
 
 
 Actors posing as buyers ask Gatter, “What would you expect for intact [fetal] tissue?” 
 
 
 
 “Well, why don’t you start by telling me what you’re used to paying!” Gatter replies. 
 
 
 
 Gatter continues: “You know, in negotiations whoever throws out the figure first is at a loss, right?” She explains, “I just don’t want to lowball,” before suggesting, “$75 a specimen.” 
 
 
 
 Gatter twice recites Planned Parenthood messaging on fetal tissue collection, “We’re not in it for the money,” and “The money is not the important thing,” but she immediately qualifies each statement with, respectively, “But what were you thinking of?” and, “But it has to be big enough that it’s worthwhile for me.” 
 
 
 
 Gatter also admits that in prior fetal tissue deals, Planned Parenthood received payment in spite of incurring no cost: “It was logistically very easy for us, we didn’t have to do anything. So there was compensation for this.” She accepts a higher price of $100 per specimen understanding that it will be only for high-quality fetal organs: “Now, this is for tissue that you actually take, not just tissue that someone volunteers and you can’t find anything, right?” 
 
 
 
 By the lunch’s end, Gatter suggests $100 per specimen is not enough and concludes, “Let me just figure out what others are getting, and if this is in the ballpark, then it’s fine, if it’s still low, then we can bump it up. I want a Lamborghini.” 
 
 
 
 The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue is a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison or a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2). 
 
 
 
 Gatter also suggests modifying the abortion procedure to get more intact fetuses: “I wouldn’t object to asking Ian, who’s our surgeon who does the cases, to use an IPAS [manual vacuum aspirator] at that gestational age in order to increase the odds that he’s going to get an intact specimen.” 
 
 
 
 Gatter seems aware this violates rules governing tissue collection, but disregards them: “To me, that’s kind of a specious little argument.” Federal law requires that no alteration in the timing or method of abortion be done for the purposes of fetal tissue collection (42 U.S.C. 289g-1). 
 
 
 
 The video, like last week’s featuring Dr. Nucatola, was produced by The Center for Medical Progress and is part of CMP’s nearly 3-year-long investigative journalism study, “Human Capital.” 
 
 
 
 CMP’s Project Lead David Daleiden notes, “Planned Parenthood’s top leadership admits they harvest aborted baby parts and receive payments for this. Planned Parenthood’s only denial is that they make money off of baby parts, but that is a desperate lie that becomes more and more untenable as CMP reveals Planned Parenthood’s business operations and statements that prove otherwise.” 
 
 
 
 Seven State Governments have opened investigations into Planned Parenthood’s sale of aborted fetal body parts, as have three Congressional Committees. The House Energy and Commerce Committee has called PPFA’s Senior Director of Medical Services to testify this month about the organization’s fetal tissue harvesting. 
 
 
 
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 For more information on the Human Capital project, visit centerformedicalprogress.org. 
 
 The Center for Medical Progress is a 501(c)3 non-profit dedicated to monitoring and reporting on medical ethics and advances. ||||| It has only been one week since the last Planned Parenthood sting video was released but Center for Medical Progress founder David Daleiden is already back with a sequel. The first of many, apparently. 
 
 The first CMP video of a now year-old conversation among Daleiden, another CMP actor, and Planned Parenthood official Deborah Nucatola was edited to suggest that Planned Parenthood sells fetal body parts for profit, though the full footage revealed that Nucatola was actually discussing the legal practice of fetal-tissue donation and its associated processing costs. 
 
 This new video makes a similar claim. Allegedly filmed in February of this year, it shows CMP actors—including Daleiden—posing as a tissue-procurement company executive in a meeting with Mary Gatter, a Planned Parenthood medical director, at a restaurant. The video has been edited down to a roughly eight-minute runtime and full footage of the conversation had not been released as of 9:30 a.m. Tuesday. 
 
 Although mentions of dollar amounts in the conversation may sound alarming—as they were in the first video—small payments for transportation and processing are legal in human fetal-tissue donation. Under 42 U.S. Code § 289g—2 , U.S. law prohibits the “valuable consideration” of human fetal tissue, but it does allow “reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.” 
 
 In the video, one of the CMP buyers asks for a figure, Gatter suggests $75 per specimen, and then the fake buyer tries to goad her on, saying “that’s way too low.” The video has been edited to highlight specific comments of Gatter’s that make the conversation seem like a negotiation over profits—comments like, “Why don’t you tell me what you’re used to paying?” 
 
 This time around, however, the CMP has also included statements by Gatter that debunk the idea that Planned Parenthood affiliates profit from the practice. 
 
 “We’re not in it for the money,” Gatter makes it clear to the CMP actors at one point. 
 
 “We don’t want to be in the position of being accused of selling tissue and stuff like that,” she says. “On the other hand, there are costs associated with the use of our space, and all that kind of stuff.” 
 
 The CMP actors twice offer $100 per specimen but we never see Gatter commit to accepting that amount, only to “find[ing] out what other affiliates in California are getting.” She emphasizes to who she thought were biotech buyers that their “volume is so low,” referring to the fact that second-trimester abortions are relatively rare. 
 
 “It’s been years since I talked about compensation,” she says at one point. “So let me just figure out what others are getting and if this is in the ballpark, then it’s fine.” 
 
 In what is sure to become the most-quoted line from the video, Gatter jokes that she “want[s] a Lamborghini,” but she immediately says, “No,” and laughs, apparently at the idea of making money off the practice. 
 
 The video also includes some conversations surrounding abortion methods that preserve fetal tissue compared with techniques that tend not to leave tissue intact—an ethical issue that raises questions about practices of informed consent from the patient. 
 
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 Gatter notes at one point that if they switch methods from a suction method to one with less suction in order to “increase the odds that it would come out as an intact specimen” then it violates “the protocol that says to the patient, ‘We’re not doing anything different in our care of you.’” 
 
 In the video, Gatter makes no promises to change abortion techniques to preserve fetal tissue but does appear to raise the possibility of having a discussion with a Planned Parenthood surgeon about that “argument” and their abortion techniques. 
 
 “I think they’re both totally appropriate techniques, there’s no difference in pain involved, I don’t think the patients would care one iota,” she says. 
 
 Gatter only says that she will “see how he feels,” referring apparently to the surgeon’s opinion on the difference in techniques. 
 
 Once again, the footage has been edited and full video has not been released, so, as of this writing, there is no way to decipher the complete context of this conversation surrounding abortion methods. Some sections of the video display time stamps, others do not, and the perspective regularly shifts between two cameras worn by the fake CMP buyers. 
 
 In a statement to The Daily Beast, Eric Ferrero, vice president of communications for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said: 
 
 “This morning, another very heavily edited video was released without the original footage for verification by activists who have been widely discredited and who edited a video last week to twist its meaning completely and support false claims. At this time, Planned Parenthood cannot confirm the authenticity of this tape, and nobody can tell exactly what was discussed because of the extremely heavy editing and the agenda of the activists who produced it. What we see on this tape is a woman who says ‘We’re not in it for the money,’ and that any money is reimbursement for costs.” 
 
 Planned Parenthood anticipated the release of today’s video, noting in a detailed letter to the House Energy and Commerce Committee dated Monday (PDF) that Daleiden and the CMP have likely filmed several interactions in which they offered money to Planned Parenthood affiliates for fetal tissue. 
 
 In some cases, they believe that the CMP may have offered an “astronomical amount compared to the minimal cost-recovery fees that affiliates with tissue-donation programs currently recoup.” 
 
 “All of these efforts were rebuffed,” the letter maintains. 
 
 PPFA’s letter was written in response to the committee’s announced investigation of the first video, undertaken at the urging of House Speaker John Boehner, who called the video “horrific.” Several GOP presidential candidates have criticized the video and seven states have announced investigations into their own Planned Parenthood affiliates. 
 
 Early Tuesday morning, top Republican lawmakers and presidential candidates had yet to respond to the second video. 
 
 At this point—and given the tradition of Planned Parenthood sting operations in which CMP is involved—the videos seem more calculated to produce a strong reaction than to provide immediately verifiable proof of criminal wrongdoing. 
 
 Last week, for example, a Roll Call interview with Congressmen Tim Murphy (R-PA) and Trent Franks (R-AZ), suggested that some in the GOP leadership may have known about the first CMP sting video weeks in advance of its release and did not take any action at that time. 
 
 When Roll Call asked why Murphy waited until after the video’s release to make a public statement, he ended the interview and said, “This interview didn’t happen.” 
 
 In an O’Reilly Factor interview last week, Daleiden also stumbled when asked if he had provided any information from his investigation to the authorities. 
 
 “Are you saying they are doing something illegal?” O’Reilly asked. 
 
 “Absolutely,” Daleiden replied. 
 
 But when O’Reilly followed up by asking if he had “reported this to the authorities,” Daleiden paused before saying: “Bringing our information in front of law enforcement was always a goal that CMP had from the beginning of this project and as we can see in the news out of Texas and Louisiana… the entire state governments of both of those states are taking this very seriously…” 
 
 While these federal and state investigations are underway, it is likely that even more videos will be released. In the letter to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, PPFA legal counsel claimed that Daleiden could have “thousands of hours of videotape” from years of corporate espionage. During this time, Daleiden allegedly posed as a buyer from a fake biotech LLC called Biomax Procurement Services, which seems to be his cover for this second video as well. 
 
 The letter further claims that Daleiden has taped Planned Parenthood staff “on at least 65 occasions” over the last eight years and that he used a fake California driver’s license to gain access to Planned Parenthood facilities. 
 
 The videos appear to be part of a lengthy and expensive project that Daleiden, who is 26 and a relatively fresh face in the pro-life movement, could not have funded on his own. 
 
 Indeed, since the release of the first video, new details have emerged about the other individuals associated with the CMP’s undercover investigation—associations that go beyond Daleiden’s history with the anti-abortion group Live Action, which has also produced heavily edited sting videos in Planned Parenthood facilities. 
 
 A 2013 registration form obtained by The Nation last week revealed the names of Daleiden’s fellow board members at the CMP: Albin Rhomberg and Troy Newman. 
 
 Rhomberg has a long and strident history of anti-abortion activism—one California Planned Parenthood worker says that he once followed her “for an entire city block, barely 3 feet away, filming and shouting at me about my evil work with Planned Parenthood”—but it is Newman’s association with the CMP that has raised the most eyebrows. 
 
 Newman is the president of Operation Rescue, a pro-life organization that became the center of national media attention when George Tiller, a Kansas physician who provided late-term abortions, was assassinated by anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder in 2009 during worship services at Tiller’s church. 
 
 After the murder, Newman, who had moved Operation Rescue headquarters to Kansas in 2002 in order to be closer to Tiller’s practice, released a statement distancing the organization from Roeder, claiming that he “has never been a member, contributor, or volunteer with Operation Rescue.” 
 
 When Roeder was arrested, however, police found the phone number of Operation Rescue senior policy adviser Cheryl Sullenger on the dashboard of his car. Sullenger, who had spent two years in federal prison from 1988 to 1990 after pleading guilty to plotting the bombing of a San Diego abortion provider, admitted that she had been in contact with Roeder in the past and had provided information to him about Tiller’s whereabouts, information unrelated to the eventual shooting. 
 
 In a 2009 phone interview from prison, Roeder, who was convicted of first-degree murder, told The Wichita Eagle that he felt “relief and joy” about Tiller’s death and maintained that he was, in fact, associated with Operation Rescue. He claimed to have “probably a thousand dollars worth of receipts, at least, from the money I’ve donated to [Newman].” 
 
 At that point, Newman told the paper that he could not “find [Roeder] in the database” but left the possibility open that he could have donated to Operation Rescue. 
 
 “If he did, we have probably over the past 10 years over 50,000 people who have contributed to us,” he said. 
 
 Further connections between Operation Rescue and the CMP investigation have emerged in conjunction with this latest video. In Operation Rescue’s announcement of the second video, the logo for the CMP’s Human Capital Project includes the phrase “In consultation with Operation Rescue.” The logo on the CMP website does not mention this relationship. 
 
 The announcement was written by Sullenger, who still serves as Operation Rescue’s senior policy adviser. Her bio with the group says that she “now regrets” her actions and “has openly denounced violence as a means to stop abortion.” 
 
 In a three-word response to The Daily Beast’s request for comment, Newman said that Operation Rescue provides “advice, consulting, funds” to the CMP. 
 
 In his statement to The Daily Beast, PPFA spokesman Eric Ferrero explicitly referenced CMP’s relationship to other anti-abortion activists: “It’s important to know that the source of these videos is a group of extremists who have intimidated women and doctors for years in their agenda to ban abortion completely.” 
 
 If the Planned Parenthood legal counsel has anticipated the CMP’s moves correctly, we can expect more videos to come. According to the PPFA’s letter to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, these videos could purport to show physicians discussing how abortions might be adjusted “if the patient has requested to donate tissue” and reveal “a highly sensitive area” in a clinic where tissues are processed after abortion procedures. 
 
 Another possible video may show a Biomax representative asking “questions about the racial characteristics of tissue donated to researchers studying sickle-cell anemia,” with responses that could be edited to corroborate some pro-life groups’ attempts to depict abortion as a form of racial genocide. 
 
 But given the sheer amount of film that the CMP may have in store, there’s no telling how many videos they will release. (The CMP did not respond to a request for comment.) Last week, Daleiden told The Washington Post that he would release videos weekly for the next few months. 
 
 It’s going to be a long summer for Planned Parenthood. 
 
 Update 7/21/15 12:10 PM: The CMP has now released what it claims to be “full footage” of the conversation from which this morning’s video was taken. ||||| Published on Jul 14, 2015 
 
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 #PPSellsBabyParts PLANNED PARENTHOOD’S TOP DOCTOR, PRAISED BY CEO, USES PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS TO SELL BABY PARTS 
 
 PPFA Senior Director of Medical Services Deborah Nucatola, Other Planned Parenthood Leadership Documented Selling Aborted Baby Parts in 3-Year Investigative Journalism Study 
 
 
 
 Contact: David Daleiden, media@centerformedicalprogress.org, 949.734.0859 
 
 
 
 LOS ANGELES, July 14—New undercover footage shows Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Senior Director of Medical Services, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, describing how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of aborted fetuses, and admitting she uses partial-birth abortions to supply intact body parts. 
 
 
 
 In the video, Nucatola is at a business lunch with actors posing as buyers from a human biologics company. As head of PPFA’s Medical Services department, Nucatola has overseen medical practice at all Planned Parenthood locations since 2009. She also trains new Planned Parenthood abortion doctors and performs abortions herself at Planned Parenthood Los Angeles up to 24 weeks. 
 
 
 
 The buyers ask Nucatola, “How much of a difference can that actually make, if you know kind of what’s expected, or what we need?” 
 
 
 
 “It makes a huge difference,” Nucatola replies. “I’d say a lot of people want liver. And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance, so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps. The kind of rate-limiting step of the procedure is calvarium. Calvarium—the head—is basically the biggest part.” 
 
 
 
 Nucatola explains, “We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.” 
 
 
 
 “And with the calvarium, in general, some people will actually try to change the presentation so that it’s not vertex,” she continues. “So if you do it starting from the breech presentation, there’s dilation that happens as the case goes on, and often, the last step, you can evacuate an intact calvarium at the end.” 
 
 
 
 Using ultrasound guidance to manipulate the fetus from vertex to breech orientation before intact extraction is the hallmark of the illegal partial-birth abortion procedure (18 U.S.C. 1531). 
 
 
 
 Nucatola also reveals that Planned Parenthood’s national office is concerned about their liability for the sale of fetal parts: “At the national office, we have a Litigation and Law Department which just really doesn’t want us to be the middle people for this issue right now,” she says. “But I will tell you that behind closed doors these conversations are happening with the affiliates.” 
 
 
 
 The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue is a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2). 
 
 
 
 A separate clip shows Planned Parenthood President and CEO Cecile Richards praising Nucatola’s work to facilitate connections for fetal tissue collection. “Oh good,” Richards says when told about Nucatola’s support for fetal tissue collection at Planned Parenthood, “Great. She’s amazing.” 
 
 
 
 The video is the first by The Center for Medical Progress in its “Human Capital” series, a nearly 3-year-long investigative journalism study of Planned Parenthood’s illegal trafficking of aborted fetal parts. Project Lead David Daleiden notes: “Planned Parenthood’s criminal conspiracy to make money off of aborted baby parts reaches to the very highest levels of their organization. Elected officials must listen to the public outcry for Planned Parenthood to be held accountable to the law and for our tax dollars to stop underwriting this barbaric abortion business.” 
 
 
 
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 Tweet: #PPSellsBabyParts 
 
 
 
 For more information on the Human Capital project, visit centerformedicalprogress.org. 
 
 The Center for Medical Progress is a 501(c)3 non-profit dedicated to monitoring and reporting on medical ethics and advances.
– An undercover video targeting Planned Parenthood made waves all the way to Congress. Now, the anti-abortion activist behind it says there's more where that came from. David Daleiden, 26, tells the New York Times he has enough footage—after infiltrating the organization over two and a half years—to release a new video each week for three months, in addition to a second video yesterday. It shows eight minutes of a conversation with Mary Gatter, a Planned Parenthood medical director, and implies the organization sells fetal body parts for profit, per the Daily Beast. A similar claim was made via the first video, though full footage showed the discussion of legal fetal-tissue donation and processing costs. Daleiden says his work was funded by $120,000 from at least a dozen donors who "believed in the mission and wanted to see it done." The money helped him nab footage he knew was "going to shock a lot of consciences," he tells the Times. But though the "valuable consideration" of human fetal tissue is illegal under US law, Planned Parenthood is allowed to accept "reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue." In the most recent video, Gatter suggests $75 per specimen. An actor posing as a buyer tells her "that's way too low," and suggests $100. Gatter says she was actually going to suggest $50. At one point she jokes that she wants "a Lamborghini," but quickly says "no" and laughs. "We're not in it for the money," she adds. Daleiden's next videos will likely filter out as Congress works on spending bills, which could affect Planned Parenthood's funding, and as Republican presidential candidates duke it out in the first televised debates.