In an upcoming interview with Charlie Rose, the Oracle CEO extolls Jobs' virtues and hints that Apple could be on the downward slide without the former leader at the helm. 
 
 Oracle CEO Larry Ellison. (Credit: James Martin/CNET) 
 
 It's no secret that Oracle CEO Larry Ellison greatly admired Steve Jobs, and he spells out this esteem for the late Apple co-founder in an upcoming interview with Charlie Rose on "CBS This Morning." 
 
 "He was brilliant," Ellison tells Rose in a preview of the interview released Monday. "He was our Edison, he was our Picasso. He was an incredible inventor." 
 
 Ellison was a close friend of Jobs and has frequently commended the Apple co-founder's skill, insight, and attention to detail. As far back as 1998, Ellison sang Jobs' praises , saying that he was Apple's best chief executive. And, when Jobs passed away in 2011, Ellison said , "Steve would translate good ideas into a finished product unlike anyone in the industry." 
 
 In the "CBS This Morning" interview, Rose asks Ellison what direction Apple will take with Jobs no longer at the helm. Ellison says that we only need to look at history to see that the company's future doesn't look too bright. 
 
 "Well, we already know," Ellison told Rose. "We saw, we conducted the experiment. I mean, it's been done. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. We saw Apple without Steve Jobs. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. Now, we're gonna see Apple without Steve Jobs." 
 
 The Larry Ellison interview will air in full on Tuesday. Besides Jobs, he will also speak about a host of other topics. ||||| 0:44 November 12, 2013 
 
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 CBS passed along a transcript of Ellison's comments: 
 
 CHARLIE ROSE: Did you watch him die? 
 
 LARRY ELLISON: Oh, close. Was I there at the last moments? 
 
 CHARLIE ROSE: No, did you watch him go through this? 
 
 LARRY ELLISON: You know, I-- I-- I'd go over there all the time. And the walks-- we'd always go for walks. We'd always go for walks. And the walks just kept getting shorter. Until near the end we'd kind of walk around the block or maybe-- maybe four blocks, something like that. And you just watched him getting weaker. And this is the strongest guy I knew. This was absolutely the strongest, most willful person I have ever met. And after seven years, the cancer even wore him out. And that's was what it was. He was just tired of fighting. Tired of the pain. And he decided, shocked Lorraine, shocked everybody that the medication was gonna stop. He just pulled off the meds-- I think on a Saturday or a Sunday. And by the following Wednesday he-- he was gone. 
 
 CHARLIE ROSE: If you love someone it's hard to see them do that, though it's their choice. 
 
 LARRY ELLISON: Yeah, it had reached the point where he was definitely suffering. It's just so much pain. 
 
 CHARLIE ROSE: There is no other Steve Jobs? 
 
 LARRY ELLISON: No. My eulogy began, you know, I guess we're all told that no one's irreplaceable. I don't believe that. I just don't. 
 
 CHARLIE ROSE: Well said. ||||| Larry Ellison. Flickr/Oracle_Photos_Screenshots Oracle CEO Larry Ellison will appear on CBS "This Morning" tomorrow with Charlie Rose to talk about the NSA and other tech topics. 
 
 In the pre-recorded interview, Rose asked Ellison how he thinks Apple will fare without Steve Jobs. 
 
 Ellison appears to say Apple won't do well without Jobs, although not in so many words. Here's a snippet from the interview's transcript: 
 
 CHARLIE ROSE: Let's talk about Steve Jobs. What is it about him? You — we recognize the fact that he loved Apple and he wanted to make Apple great and he did. But what was it about him that enabled him to do it, other than he worked hard? 
 
 LARRY ELLISON: He was — he was brilliant. I mean, our Edison. He was our Picasso. He was an incredible inventor. 
 
 CHARLIE ROSE: So what happens to Apple without Steve? 
 
 LARRY ELLISON: Well, we already know. CHARLIE ROSE: What? LARRY ELLISON: We saw — we conducted the experiment. I mean, it's been done. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. We saw Apple without Steve Jobs. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. Now, we're gonna see Apple without Steve Jobs. 
 
 That's some pretty vague language, so what the heck does that mean? 
 
 It sounds like Ellison is referring to the last time Jobs was away from Apple, following his ouster in 1985. That was the beginning of Apple's great decline in the late 80s and early 90s. It wasn't until Steve Jobs returned to Apple in 1997 that things started to turn around again. 
 
 Ellison and Jobs were close friends. If anyone has insight into the way Jobs worked at Apple, it's him. 
 
 You can watch the clip here.
– One bigwig in the tech industry is making headlines this morning for dissing another. Oracle CEO didn't mention Apple's Tim Cook, but he made clear in an interview with CBS that he thinks Apple will flounder without Steve Jobs. Asked by Charlie Rose about the post-Jobs era, Ellison said "we already know" how it will turn out because of Jobs' history with the company: "We saw Apple with Steve Jobs." (Finger in the air.) "We saw Apple without Steve Jobs." (Lowers finger.) "We saw Apple with Steve Jobs." (Finger back up.) "Now, we're gonna see Apple without Steve Jobs." (Finger swoops low.) Ellison and Jobs were close friends, notes CNET, so he may be biased. On the other hand, "if anyone has insight into the way Jobs worked at Apple, it's him," writes Steve Kovach at Business Insider. Ellison also offered up insight into Jobs' final days, notes a separate Business Insider post: "We'd always go for walks. And the walks just kept getting shorter. Until near the end we'd kind of walk around the block or maybe—maybe four blocks. And you just watched him getting weaker. And this ... was absolutely the strongest, most willful person I have ever met. And after seven years, the cancer even wore him out. He was just tired of fighting. And he decided—shocked Lorraine, shocked everybody—that the medication was gonna stop. He just pulled off the meds, I think on a Saturday or a Sunday. And by the following Wednesday he—he was gone.