Abc123  True. But also, I have seen many men who are buddies with managers get promoted above talented women throughout my 25 yr engineering career to understand that even when I'm working hard and completely dedicated, I can get passed over because I'm not going camping with and teaching the (male) manager to rock climb over the weekend... because, I'm female and that would be... inappropriate... (true story)...  My parents taught me to be frugal and invest in my own financial security so I don't NEED my job so badly that I allow my employer to mis-treat me. That is the best lesson of all, IMHO. And this is why, they took their community college educations and paid off the mortgage quickly, then were so frugal as to be to buy investment property and some stocks on a tool-and-die maker's salary. (Grew their own vegetables, hand-me-down clothes, fixed everything ourselves... didn't love it as a teen, but appreciate it now.)

Abc123  True. But also, I have seen many men who are buddies with managers get promoted above talented women throughout my 25 yr engineering career to understand that even when I'm working hard and completely dedicated, I can get passed over because I'm not going camping with and teaching the (male) manager to rock climb over the weekend... because, I'm female and that would be... inappropriate... (true story)...  My parents taught me to be frugal and invest in my own financial security so I don't NEED my job so badly that I allow my employer to mis-treat me. That is the best lesson of all, IMHO. And this is why, they took their community college educations and paid off the mortgage quickly, then were so frugal as to be to buy investment property and some stocks on a tool-and-die maker's salary. (Grew their own vegetables, hand-me-down clothes, fixed everything ourselves... didn't love it as a teen, but appreciate it now.)

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