evidence: In four years, they incur- — they incurred nearly $8 trillion. In four years, $8 trillion in additional debt and bills we have to now pay off. That’s more than a quarter of the entire debt incurred now outstanding after more than 200 years. And Republicans in Congress raised the debt three times when Donald Trump was President, and each time with Democrat support. But now they won’t raise it even though they are responsible for more than $8 trillion in bills incurred in four years under the previous administration. That’s what we’d be paying off. [...] Q Regarding your Build Back Better agenda, we know the topline figure from Senator Manchin is $1.5 trillion. Senator Kyrsten Sinema has yet to really give that number where she’s willing to go to go or how high she’s willing to go. But she says she’s negotiating in good faith with the White House. What is her figure?