evidence: He's using something which is a lie to justify a policy which is bad for the world. And I would have to say that on an ethical basis, it's actually evil. I think he should be ashamed of himself. And I think he should apologize to the world for saying that. [...] [Laughs] I remember thinking, that was a particularly good political answer, but—it won't win you a profile in courage, but, you know, a good answer, politically.