evidence: During the first and only debate that Donald Trump had with President Joe Biden, the fact-checkers certified that Trump told thirty-four lies in ninety minutes. Yet, his supporters hung on to his every word/lie. Now that the Democratic Party has persuaded Joe Biden not to run in the 2024 election, Trump has turned his lying ways toward Vice President Kamala Harris. During a recent interview at the conference of the National Association of Black Journalists, he was fact-checked in real-time. His interviewer, ABC News correspondent Rachel Scott, pushed back every time Trump told a lie. He then resorted to insulting Rachel Scott, a Black female, who was interviewing him. Trump called her "disgraceful," "hostile," and "rude." He then went on with his lying and insulting ways. Socrates once stated that, "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers." Socrates was born in 470 BCE and died in 399 BCE. Yet, he knew that there were people like Trump who would be in the public’s eye.