evidence: But it caused consumers to pay more. They paid more in taxes, $80 billion worth. Do you acknowledge that consumers ultimately will pay more if there are more tariffs? I think economists really disagree about the effects of tariffs, because there can be a dynamic effect, right? So what some economists will say is, what you just said, that it will actually raise costs for consumers. But what other people say, and I think the record supports this other view, is that it causes this dynamic effect where more jobs come into the country. You have more take home pay, you have better jobs, and also you have more reliance. Because one of the things we learned during covid -- I don't, by the way, blame Democrats for this -- but one of the things we learned during covid Kristen is that if our supply chains are really brittle, if we depend on the Chinese to make too much of our stuff, then prices can skyrocket at a time of crisis. The economists who say the tariffs are bad, they don't take that into account. We've all learned at the hard way.