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2021 Community Moderator Election
The 2021 Community Moderator Election is now underway!
Community moderator elections have three phases:

Nomination phase
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Most elections take between two and three weeks, but this depends on how many candidates there are.
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If you have general questions about the election process, or questions for moderator candidates, feel free to ask them here on meta -- just make sure your questions are tagged election.

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Can we get our first custom close reason/migration path set up?
We've had a half dozen questions that really clearly belong on Homebrew.se already.
It's in our best interest to nip these in the bud sooner than later, so can we set up the migration path a bit more quickly than might be normal for a beta? Or at least a custom close reason that mentions Homebrew.SE?

Custom close reason should come soon, though maybe not until after we get our pro-tem mods (about 2 weeks into public beta), though we may be able to campaign to get the community team to add one about homebrew.
However, migration paths will not come until we have graduated which is too far in the future for us to be thinking about right now.

Don't forget that migrating towards beta sites is actually discouraged by SE

@LucasKauffman only for early betas.

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Better Defining A Cicerone
In answering a question earlier today, I learned that Wikipedia does not have really any information on what a  "beer sommelier" is. When you search for Cicerone, beer sommelier appears in the "see also" section and the amount of information lacking is astounding.
I feel that in order to increase the excitement about beer and to make our community stronger we should take interest in things that affect our community.
Is editing and updating Wikipedia within the scope of the meta users?

Not sure why this is on the close queue—I think it's a good question, and appropriately placed in meta, precisely because it might be murky territory for the fact-based main site.

I actually started the close to vote. Someone made mention in chat that wiki editing would be a personal venture. However, if I were to reword so we got a well-rounded picture of a Cicerone, that would be appropriate for this site. Would still be outside of beer.se to edit wiki though.

Ah, I see now. Well, still. I personally don't mind the discussion happening here.

I think if you want to improve wikipedia that's up to you really.  I don't think you need to ask for tacit permission (if that's what you're doing).

I am a horrible writer :(

Dealing with Wikipedia isn't what we're here for, but SE is pretty great at establishing canonical references, and has lots of google juice. There's no reason we can't house that information here.

You know you can always update the cicerone tag wiki. That would get the information out there and it would draw traffic to this site instead of to wikipedia.

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Need more active mods on Beer.SE
We have three Pro Tempore moderators on this site.  As of this moment, one last visited the site 13 hours ago.  (No problem with that.)  The second last visited the site 25 days ago. (Problem with that.)  The third last visited the site two and a half months ago.  (Big problem with that.)
Flags aren't being dealt with for days, which tells me that we need more moderator activity on the site.  I know the site as a whole is pretty inactive, but that's brought into even sharper focus by the apparent lack of moderation.
An organized, useful site is going to draw in more new users than one strewn with junk.

Just to let you know, I've asked about the possibility of reassigning pro tempore mods (open to including myself) on the moderators' chat and have reached out to the other mods. I'm now about to reach out to a staff member for additional help. Thanks for bringing this up.

@AndrewCheong Thanks Andrew, and to be clear, I've never had an issue with the quantity or quality of your moderation work here...Only with the fact that there are no other mods who seemed to be equally engaged.

@NormalHuman Thanks!  :-)

@Xander Hi! What is the state of the art about this matter in particular? I mean as of 2019.

@MattAllegro I'm happy to report that the situation is much better now. I was not a moderator when I posted this question...A year later I was asked to step up and help and I did, and in 2016 we had new  Pro Tempore appointments and have now had the same stable of three consistently active moderators for over three years.

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Should general questions about "beer" be made more specific?
It seems to me that if this site is going to succeed that we're going to have to get down to the nitty gritty.
Most of the questions I've seen so far are asking about the general case of "beer." It seems to me that this is a very poor way of attracting experts to this topic.

Do you see specific questions that seem probematic?  A more general question may be better if it can be applied to numerous specific cases.  It's hard to imagine that would generally force a question that could apply to all beer to be narrowed to a specific case.

In general? Yes, we should push for more specificity.
That said, a lot of the more wide-ranging and general questions we've had so far - especially those on storage, freshness, preservation, etc. don't require any sort of narrowing. The same rules pretty much apply across the board for these subjects, and getting them out of the way, so to speak, is an inevitable part of the beta process.
If, after a few days, people still haven't managed to more finely calibrate their questions, it'd be worth looking at what sort of guidelines are worth implementing to try to get to that point.

Edit: After discussion I realize that in my answer here I was really thinking more about the future state of the site, rather than the specific requirements of private beta.  I no longer hold this opinion precisely.
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One reason to have some of these more general questions is to provide potential canonical answers to future questions from many newcomers.  Another reason is it provides a base of general knowledge over time.  Anyone who has spent time on sister sites like Stack Overflow can see how over time, questions become more and more specific as the general cases gain answers that are widely accepted by the community.
That's not to say we shouldn't have very specific questions: ask away!  Rather, in my opinion it's very helpful, especially at first, to "seed" the site with some as long as they are solid, commonly-asked questions, both to provide examples of strong questions and answers and to provide someplace for newcomers to start.
Note that I'm not talking about questions that are too generic or opinion-based and thus off-topic, e.g. "Is beer good for you?" or "What is the best kind of beer?", or filling the site with junk questions just to make it appear active.
Unless the audience of the site is "only experts may apply", which I didn't think it was, there is nothing wrong with a well-written, direct, non-expert question.

I'm still of the mind that treating beer as a monolith is going to deter experts from coming, you don't seem to address that in this answer.

Yikes. Unfortunately, your opening premise has shown to be a really poor way to build a new site and often the reason new sites never makes it out of private beta. Please see Asking the First Questions

+1 for "One reason to have some of these more general questions is to provide potential canonical answers to future questions from many newcomers."
I use stackoverflow quite a lot, and often when I google a problem there's an old, simple, question, even if it gets closed for being opinion based or too broad, that's exactly what you're looking for.

@dwjohnston while some simple questions are good, the first questions should be expert level. Those are the questions that get the experts in the door.

@RobertCartaino If you read more carefully, nothing I said precludes expert questions.  Rather, my point is that more often-asked, straightforward questions are also useful.  These questions do not require narrowing.

@RobertCartaino Also, several of the items calling out "seeding the site" in the linked article (which I've read many times) don't apply the sorts of questions I'm talking about, e.g. "the asker doesn't care about the answer", etc.  While those are all reasons not to "seed a site" just to do so, they aren't arguments against non-expert questions.  I think maybe you are put off by my use of the term seed because it was specifically used in that article.  I have struck it out of the above and clarified.

@waxeagle That depends, some experts enjoy helping the less-knowledgeable just as much as they do discussing things among their "peers".  I think you need a spectrum unless your site is very specifically only for expert discussion, e.g. some of the math-related SE sites.

Phoebus, You're suggesting to ask those future-new-user questions now. That is your site design. The problem is that folks are front-loading the site with awfully basic and mundane questions — questions asked hundreds of times on every other site on the subject. If I were to approach this site as it stands now, I'd likely move on. "Meh, nothing terribly special or interesting here." That does preclude experts, whether that's your intention or not.

@RobertCartaino It seems you are trying to force me to defend every poor question that folks are asking.  Without specific examples provided by the asker of this question, it's difficult to determine exactly the sort of questions he's talking about.  You and I may be thinking of different things.  I will tell you this re: the "experts" question: I would consider myself an "expert" in the topics discussed on StackOverflow and ServerFault, but I primarily go there to help out the less experienced rather than ask and answer questions regarding the most esoteric minutiae.

@phoebus No worries. I'm just concerned that "one reason to have some of these more general questions [now]" is getting so many up-votes. It completely defeats the purpose of having a private beta where we are explicitly and intentionally looking to see why we need this site in the first place. Yes, folks will naturally ask these basic questions... someday. But seeing them so prevalent in private beta does not bode well. Right now this is a big yawner. That's just my opinion of course, but I'd hate to see people come away thinking this is what a private beta is about.

@RobertCartaino Thanks, that helps me understand a bit more.  I was thinking I guess more of the SE context in general rather than in the context of private beta.

@phoebus Oh, yes. Big difference. Long term, this site should strive to have all the questions. But it's not a strong premise/foundation to build a new site on.

@RobertCartaino - Now that this site is no longer in a private beta, it would be exceptional if you could post an answer to this question, especially since you were part of the original form of Stack Overflow which spawned the exchange. Perhaps you could include some insight on what the outlook was when that site was just starting out.

@TravisJ I'm not really clear what you are asking about (or asking me to reply to).

@RobertCartaino - Sorry for not being clear enough. I was asking for you to answer the OP's question: "should general questions about beer be made more specific". There has been some debate about whether or not to allow questions which are very specific (such as a specific brand or region). It seems like most questions, regardless of specificity, would benefit this new exchange since it is still building content. Is that accurate? When SO first started I know that it was pretty lenient with its questions because it too was building content.

How to evaluate Beer.stackexchange:

Here is an StackExchange site that focus on a specific topic. If the site was based on all alcohol drinks or all drinks, then more specific questions might be expected. But here is about beer, and all answerable questions must be on topic. When the community grows larger and attracts too many people and too many low quality questions starts to disturb community, then it might be discussed again.
Attracting experts is a good thing to have. But no StackExchange site must be a place for just experts. Good question is the question which is clear and answerable. We need a good content now.
Experts will look for good sites that have a vast variety of content that they interested in. Forums do not have this since they are like trash. Even they have some good content, the rest of the content show it rubbish-ish. We must make questions be good and answerable and keep answers clean and understandable by many other users (not only ones who asks and answer). In short, Q&A format must also offers future reference for other community members and people outside this community (unregistered users.)
Enthusiasts or beginners asks general and simple questions. Mostly, people who have enough knowledge may produce such specific and attractive questions. By having a good Q&A base of basic and non-specific questions, community will create users who have enough knowledge to ask better questions.

These are what I thought about the closed beta proccess.

For a lot of these questions, narrowing it down specifically would only result in the same question being asked endlessly, with a different beer cut and paste into it, and the exact same answers.
Rather than having to ask and answer each one, or close them as duplicates, it's better to just ask and answer for the general case and then you're done!
From there, you can break it down specifically and ask for when you believe the general case doesn't apply (although what if you're wrong, and it turns out that the general case does apply? Close as duplicate?)


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Is Homebrewing on topic?
I've already seen a question or two that seem to at least tangentially reference Homebrewing.
Keeping in mind that there is already a beta site on Homebrewing, how much of the topic should we allow and how much should we be prepared to migrate their direction?

I honestly don't understand why there are two separate sites.  Homebrewing is all about beer.  Just seems like it would be ideal if they were merged.  I realize not everyone who drinks beer homebrews but homebrewers all drink beer (and end up knowing a lot about it).  Homebrewing just seems like a subset category (tag) of beer to me.

@BillRawlinson See: sports.se v Fitness.se. SE doesn't launch sites unless they think they'll both be successful. It's worked so far with those two, we just need to find the clear delineations and make sure we maintain those.

Technically, the Homebew.SE is not all about beer.  It's inclusive of cider and wine.  Or it was last time I checked.

I would say that if there is a site for Homebrewing then technical questions about brewing beer at home are off topic.  But questions about "homebrewed" beer would not be off topic.

I suspect there is going to be a set of questions that would be suitable for either site.
For example, asking how best to poor a bottle of beer without disturbing the sediment: a question that is relevant to many homebrewed beers, but would also be of interest to general beer drinkers if they encountered such a beer.
I think the site will be stronger if we keep such shared scope questions.

I think that answering some of the questions from a Homebrewer's perspective can help those who don't better understand beer in general.


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Do we run out of questions or?
Beer.sx is quite active in the first days of its closed beta. But now, there is no new question in the last 4 days, and there is very low activity on the existing questions.
I can say I am novice in beer topics, I try to answer if I can and I try to richen my answer using web so it may help more people and it would become more satisfactory. But beyond that, I do not have much to ask.
So I am trying to figure out the problem. Do we ask all that a community can ask? I guess not. Beer can not be so narrow to fit all in topics in 212 questions. So the problem must be somewhere else. Maybe, choosing what is on-topic and what is not cause this.
So what is the main reason of this low activity? How can we overcome this?

I'm of the opinion that the beer SE should be merged with all other beverage SE proposals (coffee, tea).

All beverages might be too wide, it can be narrowed to alcohol beverages too. Wine itself may produce quite a lot of questions alone, adding this to other alcohol beverages and local drinks will make the topic wide enough.

To make things worse, low activity begets low activity.  Today we're showing fewer than 100 visits/day.  The obvious effect is that with lower activity people don't need to come around as much (nothing new to read/answer).  But there's a less-obvious effect, possibly more important than that: lower activity increases the perception that the site will close, and if the site is going to close there's not much incentive to work to improve it (effort spent on posts will be lost, at least for most of them -- nowhere to migrate).
So not only do we need to figure out how to increase activity, but we need to do it before too many potential contributors wander away.
If this site is to exist alongside Homebrewing, I wonder if we should broaden the scope to wine, cider, and mead.  Homebrewing is about making these beverages and maybe this site should be about consuming them -- all of them, not just beer.  (We would need to adjust the site's name in that case.)  Because this site was created it seems like there's a place for questions that are about beer but not about making beer; that's presumably just as true for wine et al.
(I was not involved in the Area 51 proposal for this site and I don't participate on Homebrewing.  I came here because, yum, beer.  If this discussion has already been held and resolved, I'm sorry and please point me to it.)

I am not certain about Area 51 Proposal  changes, but you are talking about  widening the concept and the name. A Mod may answer that, but everybody knows  here is about beer and just beer. Beside that, it can be a good idea since wine and liqueur have a wide content.

I think the answer lies in this question: What kinds of questions will keep Beer.SE active? (Relax the culture against brands and regional questions.)
The problem is: what's left to ask?  I can no longer think of non-opinion-based questions to ask, and it seems most other people have run out too.  So, although beer is not a narrow topic, factual questions that don't fit under homebrewing.SE may be.
I think the best answer might be to try to encourage more regional answers (which we decided were allowed in the above linked question).  Unfortunately, we might not have the critical mass for that to work: if someone asks where to get beer X near Milwaukee, but no one from Milwaukee uses this site, it likely becomes a dead question.

Regional questions might not end up like that. The other seconario is, they will attract users to site. Because such questions have answers that are hard to find on internet. Also such questions might get answered in the future. That is a possibility and IMO, that can be tried.

Yes. This site is cool because I like beer, but it doesn't work. Especially with there being already a homebrew site where you basically ask almost any question you could ask here.


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Foam or Head as a tag?
Should we prefer the use of the term "head" over "foam"? I think "head" is technically more correct. If so, what should our course of action be with the foam tag?
Should we retag foam questions as head? Should foam be a synonym of head, or is it right out?
One concern is that casually-interested askers might be confused or unaware of the term "head" and thus make mistakes with their tagging. This is easily rectifiable, but adds a level of complexity to first-time users; especially if they're looking for the foam tag and can't find it.

Head as the tag, foam as a synonym for it.
Intuitively, 'head' feels like the correct term.  And regardless of which term is correct, the other should probably be set up as a synonym for it.  So, I propose Head as primary, Foam as synonym.

Agreed. The synonym method seems like the most helpful approach, and "head" should be preferred over "foam".


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So... when is this beta going to be deleted?
At 0.2 questions a day, I think it's clear that this beta is a failure.
I suggest the plug be pulled and the beta deleted.

Looking at your question history, I'm starting to think you have a personal vendetta against our site :P... which is fine (and mind you, I haven't downvoted any of your questions), but please come up with some new arguments if you're gonna ask this question a third time ;-)

@AndrewCheong No. Look at my post history. I was active right in the private beta. I just think this beta has failed.


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Will 'beer snobbery' be a problem?

Reddit source.
This image demonstrates that 'expert' drinkers tend to rate stronger tasting beers higher.
I'm inclined to think that the same is going to happen here, with lagers being dismissed.
Do you think this is likely to be a problem for this SE?

This site isn't about Rating beers. It's about asking and answering questions about beer.
I'm not sure what the concern is here.

Eeeeh, I'm not sure that's what that chart really shows - at least in terms of causation. Most of the top rated beers come from very small breweries with limited resources. Producing lagers requires resources that a lot of small breweries just aren't interested in investing in. Put another way: it just so happens that all the interesting stuff is happening in a particular market segment these days, but trends shift.

I personally am a fan of high gravity porters. I also dislike hoppy beers. I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised one day. However, I will gladly try any beer you set in front of me. I feel this keeps me well versed in beer and allows me to talk about beer more completely. Hopefully our community will adopt the same attitudes and rather than snubbing a weaker ale/lager, discuss and learn from one another.

Is this chart saying there's at most a 0.5 star, or 10% difference between expert ratings and novice ratings?  That doesn't seem so bad.

@brian nearly one full star actually, as the graph goes from -.5 to .5, with points plotted as low as -.5 and as high as +.4.

@LessPop_MoreFizz That's a delta for individual beers.  It's showing that an expert may rate Bud Light 0.2 stars lower or Firestone 0.4 stars higher, but on average no one beer is being rated with a difference more than 0.5.

DERP. I r bad at statistics and graphs and math and stuff. STAY IN SKOOL KIDS. I DIDNT AND THIS IS WHERE IT GOT ME.

"Reddit source", eh? Reddit has a URL pointing into BusinessInsider's image hosting, and a bit of sleuthing traces us to the original paper, From Amateurs to Connoisseurs:
Modeling the Evolution of User Expertise
through Online Reviews, from some Stanford computer scientists. I am a big fan of original sources.

@Grohlier Remember, we're trying to make beer more classy! I think you might need to get rid of me then.

@LessPop_MoreFizz no need for the taunting.

@grohlier you do realize I'm mocking myself, right?

@LessPop_MoreFizz it seemed like it was directed at the user asking the question the way I read it. Written communication does not always come across as intended. Sorry.

Nope. I was acknowledging that I was wrong.


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Can we agree that a general 'alcohol' SE would have been better?
This beta is rather inactive. I think plenty of questions surrounding wine for example, would have been nice to have seen.

Related: http://meta.beer.stackexchange.com/q/70/43

A broader topic may have invited more general interest and activity. But whether that would have been "better," I think is arguable, to say the least.
To even gauge "better," we have to recall, what was our goal?
The very proposal was a Q&A site for beer enthusiasts. A general Alcohol SE would have diluted that purpose. In addition, there is a culture around beer (as there is a culture around wine), but there is not, to my knowledge, a culture around alcohol. Though an Alcohol SE may have enjoyed more attention, it may not have produced as likeminded (at least likepreferenced) a community as a Beer SE.
Of course, this is all hypothetical—I don't know what would have happened if the original proposal was for Alcohol SE and beer were a popular subject therein. (But for some reason I suspect that an Alcohol SE proposal may not have even made it to beta. Beer interested me right off the bat—I had recently moved to San Diego where there was a huge beer culture. Alcohol would not have caught my attention, and even if it had, I probably would have been turned off by the thought of thousands of questions about "mixology.")
Maybe you're thinking along the lines that a more general site, while losing its power of specificity, would at least have had a greater shot at surviving the beta. But besides that a general site may not have gathered sufficient experts to even get started (experts gravitate toward niche sites), what's the point of survival if the site doesn't meet its intended goal?
Despite my (perhaps strongly) expressed views, I know there's no right answer. You're right that the site is pretty stagnant. But that may simply be its fate, and trying to salvage it any other way might simply make it something else entirely.

+1; I can't say that this particular beta has gone swimmingly, but I can pretty definitively say that I don't think 'Booze.SE' is the appropriate alternative or fix.

Regarding your last paragraph - I imagine that a 'booze' SE, would have had contained analogous questions to the ones that are here: eg. 'What's the difference between a pinot noir and a merlot?', so perhaps it would have just expanded the pool of questions before it got stagnant.


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Are abbreviations / initialisms acceptable for commonly known brewing companies / terms?
For example, DFH 60 and 90 Minute, as opposed to typing out Dogfish Head. Of course it's not much effort to type out the full name, but many existing discussions about beer on the Internet use such abbreviations. Should we refrain from abbreviating so as not to exclude beginning enthusiasts? Or should we follow suit to keep up with the culture / adapt beginning enthusiasts to modern lingo?

The standard rule of thumb is that you should never abbreviate the first usage of a term of art in a given piece of writing/post/internet discussion. After that, go nuts.
I see no reason to deviate from that standard here.

Agreed, this goes along with StackExchange's Q&A format, and increases the usefulness of answered when discovered via search results by folks that are not part of an ongoing beer meta-discussion on the Internet.

If it's the name of a brewery then it shouldn't be abbreviated, as not everybody is from your area. (I for example, have never heard of Dogfish Head).
An abbreviation like DFH is also not easily googlable.


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Is Mead on topic?
Following up on the hard cider topic, how about mead?  Like cider, it's just another common fermented drink (honey, in this case).  However, it's a bit more wine-like in character.  On topic or not?

I would think Mead would be on topic. It is brewed using a fermenting process, and can include carbonation and hops.
However, there are variations that perhaps would not fit. Since it gets is sugar from honey, it also overlaps with other honey produced products also termed mead. These can include making a honey-wine or even distilled into a liquor.
So I think it would be on a case by case basis that you would determine if this was off topic or not. For example, if it were in relation to making a Christmas mead which included some fruits and hops and was 8% abv then I think that would work, as opposed to questions about distilling honey to reach a 40% abv level.
Overall, since this exchange is so new, I think it is important to allow questions to come in and provide answers and just build content. As the site matures content which may not fit as a good example going forward can be closed and deleted. But up front, it will only disenfranchise users to close downvote and delete their questions based on something which was very close to being on topic.
I really liked your answer in another post here on meta in regards to this, "Relax the rules and see what happens." That was a similar attitude Stack Overflow used when they first started (in fact, there was no closing questions then, and when it was first introduced you could only close your own questions).

Totally agree with the above comment. As an avid beer drinker, I'm not a fan of Mead (nor do I know anything about it, other than it tends to show up at beer festivals and tastings) but I am interested to see how often a Mead question comes up.


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Are Hard Ciders on topic?
Should we discuss Hard Ciders? There is some similarity to beer in the brewing, distributing and vending of ciders. Or are they "too" different?

I think we should include them. Gluten intolerance is becoming more and more common (so are gluten free diets). Therefore people that could once enjoy a refreshing beer now only have gluten free beers and ciders to choose from. I think we should allow it. Having conversations about ciders can only help our grasp of beer.

Technically, cider production processes are more similar to wine than to beer.  Just sayin'.

Voicing my support for the "gluten-free" point of view.

I don't think they are too different, and I think there is sufficient overlap in the concerns and audiences that they will do well here.
Hard Cider should be on topic.

If so, could the title (not the url) of the site be Beer & Cider?

@TomMedley - While I agree ciders should be on topic, I think beer would overwhelmingly dominate discussions on this site, such that it may seem out-of-place to add cider to the title.

If hard cider were sold alongside the wines in the store, rather than in the beer section, would that change anyone's answer? Cider is the result of fermenting the pressed juice of a fruit. Wine is the result of fermenting the pressed juice of a fruit.
The Charmat process that produces sparkling wines in France is also used to produce cider.
They are two different types of drinks, produced in dissimilar ways.
That being said, as wax says, they are marketed to the same audience, kept in the same areas of the store, and are regarded as being of a beer family. I think they could be on topic, we would just have to take care as a group to make sure the answers reflect the spirit (hah! See what I did there?) of the site.

Right, this site isn't about brewing per say, but tasting, (presumably) culture, marketing. Which means how a product is marketed and sold (ie it's audience) has more to do with topicality than the process by which it's produced.

I think that they should be; it's a fairly similar beverage in terms of consumption and enjoyment, and I know quite a few beer bars which also cater to the cider enthusiast.

Sorry to ping you on an unrelated post, but you were mentioned in this meta post and I want to make sure you see it.  (Nothing bad; don't worry. :-) )

Seems like there are two basic, possibly conflicting, approaches to answer this:
1) Consider the process used to make the product. As noted, cider is closer to wine in production. As such, the questions and discussions of brewing techniques/technology will be less relevant to the those looking for cider information. There could also be less chance that people could usefully contributed to beer discussions if they are primarily interested in cider. It seems like cider would be too off-topic in this case since the motivation is the underlying production.
2) Consider the user base. Cider and beer are, right or wrong, frequently grouped together for sales, at parties, at bars, etc. One reason for this might be the placement of cider on taps. The real issue, however, is that since these two products are seen as very similar by consumers, this site could include cider as on-topic, drawing a greater audience, even if some of the discussion would be technically different from the beer discussions.
I'm not sure I've got a great argument for one against the other. I will admit that I tend to side with 2) since I'm usually of the mind that more people makes a more vibrant community, even if that increases the noise-to-signal ratio.


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New tag proposals
When asking a couple of questions this morning, I found myself searching for some appropriate tags and couldn't find them. I would propose adding:

Competition - For addressing questions about beer competitions, rules, entry, awards, etc.
Social - Social impact of beer consumption, from the positive to the negative
Advertising - How beer is advertised, or related to public promotion of beer.

Just add the tags and see what sticks.
This is an early private beta so anyone can add tags. We can merge/synonimize tags as needed and remove/add when needed right now.
Really meta discussion should be had only if tags are in dispute.

Educate me. :) I could not find a link to add a tag.

Just type it in the tags area; if you type something it recognizes you'll get the pop-up completions, but if what you type is new you can still do it.


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Is root beer on topic here?
Specifically non-alcoholic, but I'll leave the title as is in case someone has the same question for alcoholic root beer.

Good question. Hard cider has been deemed on-topic for a variety of reasons I wouldn't have anticipated, but in this case perhaps the "overlapping audiences" and other such arguments don't apply as nicely, so I tend to agree with @LessPop_MoreFizz.

Root Beer doesn't really have anything in common with actual beer, other than the name, and a tiny amount of yeast (and with it, from some processes, a tiny amount of alcohol as a result).
And even the name itself was mostly the result of a marketing gimmick by its inventor.
So, my inclination is to say no to Root Beer and Ginger Ale, given the current scope of the site.


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When the site changed from Beer to Alcohol?
I'm going through the meta posts, but I can't find the relevant posts. Since when the site changed from Beer to Alcohol and why?

This change was made about a year ago.
The initial discussion happened here: Should we broaden our scope?
Once the decision was made, the follow up thread was here: Shaken, not stirred; let's expand the site!


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Did we ever get to a final answer on Brewing related questions?
I know there have been a few meta discussions on brewing, specifically home brewing beer, but I don't know that those every came to a final decision.
We seem to be open to them being asked because of several brewing related tags like "bottling", so does the tag list maybe need pruning or are they just poorly defined?
I've always been of the mind to point people to the other SE site because their questions are going to hit more eyes there and they're likely to get better answers, but is that appropriate?

Mine isn't the final word by any means, but I've always thought it makes sense to point people to the site that can help them best, so yeah, keep directing to homebrew.se where you feel it fits! Regarding tags, it's probably a bit of both: they do need pruning, and are vague. In regards to subject-matter though, I think whether "bottling" would be more appropriate at homebrew.se is case-by-case. Some of these questions, I think, would be considered too "amateur" at a niche site like homebrew.se, and users may feel more welcome (and thus get more of the kind of "newbie-friendly" answers) here.

I think there will always be room for cross-over, so there going to have to be some judgement involved.
My personal view is that home brewing questions that may have a broader, more general interest I'm happy to leave here, but more technical questions, or questions that are really only applicable to home brew I flag to move.


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2021: a year in moderation

As we say goodbye to the old year and welcome the new one, we have a tradition of sharing moderation stats for the preceding calendar year.
As most of you here are aware, sites on the Stack Exchange network are moderated somewhat differently to other sites on the web:

We designed the Stack Exchange network engine to be mostly self-regulating, in that we amortize the overall moderation cost of the system across thousands of teeny-tiny slices of effort contributed by regular, everyday users.
-- A Theory of Moderation

That doesn't eliminate the need for having moderators altogether, but it does mean that the bulk of moderation work is carried out by regular folks. Every bit of time and effort y'all contribute to the site gives you access to more privileges you can use to help in this effort, all of which produce a cumulative effect that makes a big difference.
So as we say goodbye to 2021, let us look back at what we accomplished as a community... by looking at some exciting stats. Below is a breakdown of moderation actions performed on Beer, Wine & Spirits over the past 12 months:

Action
Moderators
Community¹

Users suspended²
1
4

Users destroyed³
7
0

Users deleted
1
0

Users contacted
1
0

Tasks reviewed⁴: Suggested Edit queue
15
7

Tasks reviewed⁴: Low Quality Posts queue
0
3

Tasks reviewed⁴: Late Answer queue
9
2

Tasks reviewed⁴: First questions queue
2
0

Tasks reviewed⁴: First Post queue
13
16

Tasks reviewed⁴: First answers queue
3
0

Tasks reviewed⁴: Close Votes queue
5
6

Questions reopened
1
0

Questions protected
0
1

Questions migrated
3
0

Questions flagged⁵
0
25

Questions closed
7
0

Question flags handled⁵
17
8

Posts undeleted
1
1

Posts locked
0
4

Posts deleted⁶
28
17

Posts bumped
0
18

Comments flagged
0
3

Comments deleted⁷
10
9

Comment flags handled
3
0

Answers flagged
1
49

Answer flags handled
46
4

Footnotes
¹ "Community" here refers both to the membership of Beer, Wine & Spirits without diamonds next to their names, and to the automated systems otherwise known as user #-1.
² The system will suspend users under three circumstances: when a user is recreated after being previously suspended, when a user is recreated after being destroyed for spam or abuse, and when a network-wide suspension is in effect on an account.
³ A "destroyed" user is deleted along with all that they had posted: questions, answers, comments. Generally used as an expedient way of getting rid of spam.
⁴ This counts every review that was submitted (not skipped) - so the 2 suggested edits reviews needed to approve an edit would count as 2, the goal being to indicate the frequency of moderation actions. This also applies to flags, etc.
⁵ Includes close flags (but not close or reopen votes).
⁶ This ignores numerous deletions that happen automatically in response to some other action.
⁷ This includes comments deleted by their own authors (which also account for some number of handled comment flags).
Further reading:

Wanna see how these numbers have changed over time? We posted a similar report here last year: 2020: a year in moderation

You can also check out this report on other sites

Or peruse detailed information on the number of questions closed and reopened across all sites

Wishing everyone a happy 2022! ^_^


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2023: a year in moderation

It’s that time of the year again! As we wave goodbye to last year and welcome the new one, we have a tradition of sharing moderation stats for the preceding calendar year.
As most of you here might be aware, sites on the Stack Exchange network are moderated somewhat differently to other sites on the web:

We designed the Stack Exchange network engine to be mostly self-regulating, in that we amortize the overall moderation cost of the system across thousands of teeny-tiny slices of effort contributed by regular, everyday users.
-- A Theory of Moderation

That doesn't eliminate the need for having moderators altogether, but it does mean that the bulk of moderation work is carried out by regular folks — folks like you. Every bit of time and effort y'all contribute to the site gives you access to more privileges you can use to help in this effort, all of which produce a cumulative effect that makes a big difference in ensuring Stack Exchange sites remain a valuable source of high-quality content on the web.
So as we say goodbye to 2023 (and January 2024… ahem) and move into 2024, let us look back at what we accomplished as a community... by looking at some exciting stats. Below is a breakdown of moderation actions performed on Beer, Wine & Spirits over the past 12 months:

Action
Moderators
Community User¹
Community²

All comments on a post moved to chat
0
0
0

Answer flags handled
51
0
0

Answers flagged
5
8
38

Bounties canceled
0
0
0

Comment flags handled
2
0
0

Comments deleted⁸
3
9
2

Comments flagged
0
0
2

Comments undeleted
0
0
0

Escalations to the Community Manager team
0
0
0

Posts bumped
0
5
0

Posts deleted⁷
23
13
5

Posts locked
0
11
0

Posts undeleted
1
0
0

Posts unlocked
0
0
0

Question flags handled⁶
21
14
0

Questions closed
3
0
0

Questions flagged⁶
3
0
32

Questions merged
0
0
0

Questions migrated
0
0
0

Questions protected
0
1
0

Questions reopened
0
0
0

Questions unprotected
0
0
0

Revisions redacted
0
0
0

Tag highlight language set
0
0
0

Tag synonyms created
0
0
0

Tag synonyms proposed
0
0
0

Tags merged
0
0
0

Tasks reviewed⁵: "Close votes" queue
1
0
0

Tasks reviewed⁵: "First answers" queue
4
0
2

Tasks reviewed⁵: "First questions" queue
0
0
0

Tasks reviewed⁵: "Late answers" queue
0
0
1

Tasks reviewed⁵: "Low quality posts" queue
1
0
0

Tasks reviewed⁵: "Reopen votes" queue
0
0
0

Tasks reviewed⁵: "Suggested edits" queue
5
1
3

Tasks reviewed⁵: "Triage" queue
0
0
0

User banned from review
0
0
0

User review-bans lifted early
0
0
0

User suspensions lifted early
0
0
0

Users contacted
0
0
0

Users deleted
0
0
0

Users destroyed⁴
6
0
0

Users suspended³
0
13
0

Footnotes
¹ This refers to the automated systems otherwise known as user #-1.
² This refers to the membership of Beer, Wine & Spirits without diamonds next to their names.
³ The system will suspend users under three circumstances: when a user is recreated after being previously suspended, when a user is recreated after being destroyed for spam or abuse, and when a network-wide suspension is in effect on an account.
⁴ A "destroyed" user is deleted along with all that they had posted: questions, answers, comments. Generally used as an expedient way of getting rid of spam.
⁵ This counts every review that was submitted (not skipped) - so the 2 suggested edits reviews needed to approve an edit would count as 2, the goal being to indicate the frequency of moderation actions. This also applies to flags, etc.
⁶ Includes close flags (but not close or reopen votes). The community² can handle these flags by at least one person voting to close a question that has a close flag.
⁷ This ignores numerous deletions that happen automatically in response to some other action.
⁸ This includes comments deleted by their own authors (which also account for some number of handled comment flags).
Further reading:

Wanna see how these numbers have changed over time? We posted a similar report here last year: 2022: a year in moderation

You can also check out this report on other sites

Or peruse detailed information on the number of questions closed and reopened across all sites

Wishing everyone a happy 2024! ^_^


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Is this SE site only for beer, or other brewing?
Would questions on making cider be appropriate here?
If not could I humbly suggest that as quite a niche topic, and not massive traffic, expanding from "beer" to "brewing" might be a good idea to consider? Many people who are into making their own beer also make cider, wine, etc so it seems a natural thing to do.
Or are there communities on SE for this already?

Oh - is this about drinking beer rather than making it?

Good question! Last discussed here, the community is in favor of cider being on-topic. Perhaps mead as well. Wine, not so much, for lack of beer ingredients such as hops. And no, this site is for questions about drinking as well as brewing, as well as storage and finding beers and anything to do with beer. However, there is a more advanced SE for Homebrewing.


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Gimme questions for beer pros/experts?
In order to generate more site traffic, are more basic questions okay?
It seems like the questions lately are either mythbuster, or esoteric questions that might not have a definitive answer.  Would generic questions about styles or history be beneficial to the site or is that not the goal?
Is it too general to have questions like:
What is a (style X) beer?  Tagged: history, Style

Definitely okay! These types of questions are in fact encouraged. We have a few such questions out there already:

What is a "White IPA" and is it actually an IPA?
What's the difference between a porter and a stout?
What should I expect from a Belgian triple (tripel)?
What are the difference between a dubbel and a tripel?

So far they appear to be tagged style and classification. I like your history suggestion as well.
I think Beer.SE is still in a flexible, forgiving phase where we're still trying to figure out what exactly is too subjective or too definitive, so don't be shy to ask any question, especially if it's a real question you or someone you know actually has about a beer. That said, thanks for asking—it helps for people to know, especially  since Beer.SE still lacks a clear "What can I ask here?" FAQ.


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Is this community hidden by default?
I looked through my profile and I noticed that my activity for this stack exchange is set to "private", which means only I can see a full history of my activity on here. The community is marked as a "Hidden Community" on my SE profile.
I do not remember doing this. Was this done by default? Is this some sort of older bug?

As far as I know and can see this community is available for all to see
if you would like to check if it is hidden on your account you can do it in your profile settings
If you go you account settings you will see a section called hide communities under edit profile you will be given a list off all the SE' you are a part of and you will be able to hide or unhide them from there

It is still that way. I see nothing to indicate otherwise.


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Is this question on topic? Beer from unusual yeast
I had posted this question and got deleted. Is there anyway I can ask this question and be appropriate?
https://alcohol.stackexchange.com/questions/7333

If you had just asked the question, explaining what you'd heard (with citation) and asking if that would actually work, that wouldn't have been mod-deleted.  It sounds icky, but that alone wouldn't call for immediate removal.
But you didn't just do that, did you?  No, you included a gratuitous, provocative image to go with your question.  How did doing that improve your question in any way?  Why did you think that would be ok on this site?
Had the question been higher quality it might have been worth fixing the problem with an edit, but I don't blame the moderator who handled it for just deleting.

I did site the website, but I will delete the picture.

Yeah, I meant that the question should include the claim and the link should be there for support; nobody should have to click through to see what you're talking about.

Do you think it would be a biology question? I checked the site isn't as provocative as the picture.


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With the scope expansion, we now can ask non-beer questions
So we might need to remove the word "beer" from the question block:

I think that hint text is automatically tied to the site description or URL prefix or something like that.  This might thus be blocked by renaming, though if it's not it would be good to adjust.

@Marshmallow thanks; I hadn't noticed variations like that, but that clearly indicates it's possible!

I agree that this needs to be updated but we're in the midst of a transition. I'll see if we can make a change even though we don't have a new name site description, but it may have to wait until those are finalized.

No worries - I can still ask questions on whisky etc, though, right?

@RoryAlsop Yup, go for it!

The new name is in place and we've updated the text in the "Ask Question" as well as on the Tour page.

There is a similar problem on the Tour that needs addressing.

We're in the process of getting these changed.


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2022: a year in moderation

As we say goodbye to the old year and welcome the new one, we have a tradition of sharing moderation stats for the preceding calendar year.
As most of you here are aware, sites on the Stack Exchange network are moderated somewhat differently to other sites on the web:

We designed the Stack Exchange network engine to be mostly self-regulating, in that we amortize the overall moderation cost of the system across thousands of teeny-tiny slices of effort contributed by regular, everyday users.
-- A Theory of Moderation

That doesn't eliminate the need for having moderators altogether, but it does mean that the bulk of moderation work is carried out by regular folks. Every bit of time and effort y'all contribute to the site gives you access to more privileges you can use to help in this effort, all of which produce a cumulative effect that makes a big difference.
So as we say goodbye to 2022 (and where did January go, right?) and dive head first into 2023, let us look back at what we accomplished as a community... by looking at some exciting stats. Below is a breakdown of moderation actions performed on Beer, Wine & Spirits over the past 12 months:

Action
Moderators
Community¹

Answer flags handled
16
6

Answers flagged
0
22

Comment flags handled
1
1

Comments deleted⁷
2
9

Comments flagged
0
2

Posts bumped
0
6

Posts deleted⁶
16
14

Posts locked
0
8

Posts undeleted
2
0

Question flags handled⁵
13
24

Questions closed
3
0

Questions flagged⁵
3
34

Questions protected
1
1

Tasks reviewed⁴: "Close votes" queue
1
0

Tasks reviewed⁴: "First answers" queue
2
7

Tasks reviewed⁴: "First questions" queue
0
2

Tasks reviewed⁴: "Late answers" queue
7
4

Tasks reviewed⁴: "Suggested edits" queue
5
3

Users contacted
2
0

Users destroyed³
2
0

Users suspended²
2
19

Footnotes
¹ "Community" here refers both to the membership of Beer, Wine & Spirits without diamonds next to their names, and to the automated systems otherwise known as user #-1.
² The system will suspend users under three circumstances: when a user is recreated after being previously suspended, when a user is recreated after being destroyed for spam or abuse, and when a network-wide suspension is in effect on an account.
³ A "destroyed" user is deleted along with all that they had posted: questions, answers, comments. Generally used as an expedient way of getting rid of spam.
⁴ This counts every review that was submitted (not skipped) - so the 2 suggested edits reviews needed to approve an edit would count as 2, the goal being to indicate the frequency of moderation actions. This also applies to flags, etc.
⁵ Includes close flags (but not close or reopen votes). Community can handle these flags by at least one person voting to close a question that has a close flag.
⁶ This ignores numerous deletions that happen automatically in response to some other action.
⁷ This includes comments deleted by their own authors (which also account for some number of handled comment flags).
Further reading:

Wanna see how these numbers have changed over time? We posted a similar report here last year: 2021: a year in moderation

You can also check out this report on other sites

Or peruse detailed information on the number of questions closed and reopened across all sites

Wishing everyone a happy 2023! ^_^


text:
2020: a year in moderation

As we say goodbye to the old year and welcome the new one, we have a tradition of sharing moderation stats for the past 12 months.
As most of you here are aware, sites on the Stack Exchange network are moderated somewhat differently to other sites on the web:

We designed the Stack Exchange network engine to be mostly self-regulating, in that we amortize the overall moderation cost of the system across thousands of teeny-tiny slices of effort contributed by regular, everyday users.
-- A Theory of Moderation

That doesn't eliminate the need for having moderators altogether, but it does mean that the bulk of moderation work is carried out by regular folks. Every bit of time and effort y'all contribute to the site gives you access to more privileges you can use to help in this effort, all of which produce a cumulative effect that makes a big difference.
So as we welcome 2021, and in keeping with tradition, let us look back at what we accomplished as a community... by looking at some exciting stats. Below is a breakdown of moderation actions performed on Beer, Wine & Spirits over the past 12 months:

Action
Moderators
Community¹

Users suspended²
0
5

Users destroyed³
4
0

Tasks reviewed⁴: Suggested Edit queue
30
43

Tasks reviewed⁴: Low Quality Posts queue
2
15

Tasks reviewed⁴: Late Answer queue
15
6

Tasks reviewed⁴: First Post queue
49
38

Tasks reviewed⁴: Close Votes queue
7
10

Tag synonyms proposed
0
1

Questions protected
0
6

Questions migrated
3
0

Questions flagged⁵
0
36

Questions closed
12
3

Question flags handled⁵
11
25

Posts locked
0
6

Posts deleted⁶
35
16

Posts bumped
0
15

Comments flagged
0
8

Comments deleted⁷
9
22

Comment flags handled
7
1

Answers flagged
0
70

Answer flags handled
56
14

Footnotes
¹ "Community" here refers both to the membership of Beer, Wine & Spirits without diamonds next to their names, and to the automated systems otherwise known as user #-1.
² The system will suspend users under three circumstances: when a user is recreated after being previously suspended, when a user is recreated after being destroyed for spam or abuse, and when a network-wide suspension is in effect on an account.
³ A "destroyed" user is deleted along with all that they had posted: questions, answers, comments. Generally used as an expedient way of getting rid of spam.
⁴ This counts every review that was submitted (not skipped) - so the 2 suggested edits reviews needed to approve an edit would count as 2, the goal being to indicate the frequency of moderation actions. This also applies to flags, etc.
⁵ Includes close flags (but not close or reopen votes).
⁶ This ignores numerous deletions that happen automatically in response to some other action.
⁷ This includes comments deleted by their own authors (which also account for some number of handled comment flags).
Further reading:

Wanna see how these numbers have changed over time? We posted a similar report here last year: 2019: a year in moderation

You can also check out this report on other sites

Or peruse detailed information on the number of questions closed and reopened across all sites

A big thank you to Shog9 for writing the queries and script to facilitate fetching and posting this data to all the sites in the network, and to Brian for the subsequent work making the whole thing more user friendly.
Wishing everyone a happy 2021!


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Is this question on topic?
Commemorative wines for a particular movie?
Not long ago, I read this article (Francis Ford Winery unveils Wines to be poured at 2017 Academy Awards® Ceremony & Governors Ball) and it got me thinking if there exists a wine that commemorates and could be paired with a particular movie?
Pairing beer with a particular movie is quite commonplace, but commemorative wines that could be paired to a particular movie is much more rare.
Here is a beer example of what I am trying to convey: The Hobbit Series of Beers ships this week, coming very soon.

Gollum Precious Pils: A strong Imperial Pils, with flavors as smooth and crafty as Gollum himself. Like the ring which Gollum pursued for the rest of his life, his “precious” pils, if your quest leads you to it, could extend your life too! (at least we’d like to think so) It will, at a minimum, make your journey a little more enjoyable!

It looks on topic to me and will post on main, thus opening up another category if you all do not mind.

yea go ahead and post it seems like it should be fine as long as it does not just generate a load of list answers but i cant see anything wrong with giving it ago

Nice to see you back @Jamie Eltringham


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Are questions about drinking establishments to be considered on-topic?
Are drinking establishments, like pubs, taverns, brewpubs, garden pubs and so on, to be considered on-topic with the expansion of this site?
For example: I am thinking of places where microbreweries have a pub on their premises and are offering some unique beverages to drink!

Do you have example questions to consider?   It could depend greatly on the kind of questions, I think.


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Would it be possible to a add marijuana to this site’s parameters as being on topic?
Beer, Wine, Spirits & Marijuana
Would it be possible to a add marijuana to this site’s parameters as being on topic?
Marijuana is slowly becoming permitted as a legal recreation drug, just like the consumption of alcohol!
I do not believe there would be as yet a community support strong enough for marijuana on it’s own and the present site has little traffic. Thus I am wondering if we could add marijuana to the list of things as being on topic here, or if it would be even considered appropriate to do so?

Responsible use of Recreational Drugs
The concept of "responsible drug use" is that a person can use drugs recreationally or otherwise with reduced or eliminated risk of negatively affecting other aspects of one's life or other people's lives. Advocates of this philosophy point to the many well-known artists and intellectuals who have used drugs, experimentally or otherwise, with few detrimental effects on their lives. Responsible drug use becomes problematic only when the use of the substance significantly interferes with the user's daily life.
Responsible drug use advocates that users should not take drugs at the same time as activities such as driving, swimming, operating machinery, or other activities that are unsafe without a sober state. Responsible drug use is emphasized as a primary prevention technique in harm-reduction drug policies. Harm-reduction policies were popularized in the late 1980s, although they began in the 1970s counter-culture, when cartoons explaining responsible drug use and the consequences of irresponsible drug use were distributed to users. Another issue is that the illegality of drugs in itself also causes social and economic consequences for those using them—the drugs may be "cut" with adulterants and the purity varies wildly, making overdoses more likely—and legalization of drug production and distribution would reduce these and other dangers of illegal drug use. Harm reduction seeks to minimize the harm that can occur through the use of various drugs, whether legal (e.g., alcohol and nicotine), or illegal (e.g., heroin and cocaine). For example, people who take drugs intravenously (cocaine, heroin) can minimize harm to both themselves and members of the community through proper injecting technique, using new needles and syringes each time, and proper disposal of all injecting equipment.
Common recreational drugs

Alcohol: Most drinking alcohol is ethanol, CH3CH2OH. Drinking alcohol creates intoxication, relaxation and lowered inhibitions. It is produced by the fermentation of sugars by yeasts to create wine, beer, and distilled liquor (e.g., vodka, rum, gin, etc.). In most areas of the world, it is legal for those over a certain age (18 in most countries). It is an IARC Group 1 carcinogen and a teratogen. Alcohol withdrawal can be life-threatening.

Cannabis: Its common forms include marijuana and hashish, which are smoked or eaten. It contains at least 85 cannabinoids. The primary psychoactive component is THC, which mimics the neurotransmitter anandamide, named after the Hindu ananda, "joy, bliss, delight".

Although I am only postulating adding marijuana to be added to the subjects as being on topic here. One could add other recreational drugs that are considered legal as a recreational drug use (in certain regions), but that seems doubtful at the present moment in time.

Do not care about votes, as I am simply offering a suggestion for the site. That is why I brought it up as a discussion topic, to see what the desire of the community would be.

I would be against bringing cannabis into scope, for the following reasons:
While I support scope changes over time, I don't feel that marijuana fits here - it is not brewed or distilled. It is not a drink. The audience for questions covering the preparation of alcoholic drinks is really not the same as that for marijuana growth/preparation/usage. Also, while in the US it may be getting legalised in many states, that is an outlier country, not really representative of the world.
I would however support a merging of Homebrewing and Beer, Wine and Spirits, as they are very closely related sites, with a significant crossover in population and attention.
Regarding user1271772's suggestion of Coffee - there I do not think we have the same sort of overlap. Coffee is a very different type of drink, with its own lore, preparation and adherents.

Thanks for the input. This is why I want the discussion.

In the scope of brewing alcoholic beverages, beer, wine, spirits... I would suggest any subsequent ingredient should not be excluded from the discussion.  At the same time, being responsible with safety is a huge factor that also should not be neglected when dealing with any ingredient that could have a potentially dangerous effect.  All "recreational" "drugs" are potentially left out because of their dangers?  When in reality Alcohol can be just as dangerous.
Maybe I'm misreading the post /or rules, but are we not allowed to talk about Marijuana in scope of brewing as an ingredient?

@mrSidX - I think you have got the wrong end of the stick here. This is not about disallowing ingredients at all. Please re-read Ken's question to see what is being proposed.

I was led here via link from another post that was based around the topic of brewing with Marijuana.  I soon realized this thread wasn't what it at first seemed, despite me adding my 2 cents in my comment above.  Thanks for clarifying, but I'm still curious why any ingredient used in any brewing craft process would remain or should remain off topic, when the topic clearly revolves around use of that ingredient... ie.. Sugar free VS Sugar based XYZ...
Would discussing Sugar in relation be off topic too?  Or Just a particular substance / ingredient like say, Marijuana?  Sorry for any confusion.

@mrSidX I think you are still misunderstanding the question. Currently this site is about Beer, Wine and Spirits. It is not about Coffee, or Marijuana, or Herbs, or Grapes (although we have questions about alcohol that contains those things). But should this be Coffee, Beer, Wine and Sprits? Or Beer, Wine, Spirits and Marijuana? No.

Are crafting topics on this site off limits or out of scope?  and if no, are recipes, ingredients that aid towards the end goals out of scope?
I understand there is a homebrew stack, where such topics with focus on ingredients and process may be more appropriate?
Thanks for your patience with myself being a newcomer to this stack, and my potential lack of understanding.

This is an extremely inactive site, with 0.2 questions/day, which is 50x smaller than the 10 questions/day which was once quoted as the requirement for graduating from Beta.
I recently posted on the Meta site of Homebrewing Stack Exchnage, a question asking the community why they were so inactive, and got some valuable insight from the answers, but even they are averaging 2x as many questions/day as this site right now.
Therefore I support your suggestion to expand the scope.
In fact why stop at marijuana? The coffee stack exchange has only 0.1 questions/day, and people will be interested in other recreational drugs too.
I propose: CAS Stack Exchange where CAS stands for Chemically Active Substances. We combine coffee, beer, wine, spirits, marijuana, homebrewing, and other topics, perhaps even pharmaceuticals --- I was a bit disappointed when the recent pharmaceuticals Area51 proposal didn't get approved, since I often have questions about some of the chemically active prescriptions I've been recommended from my doctor. I'm sure also anyone who's been prescribed anti-psychotics, anti-depressants, mood stabilizers, or anxiety mitigated drugs like lorazopam, will attest to the fact that discussing those is not much different from discussing beer, wine, spirits, and marijuana, as they have very similar affects on the body.

I believe a CAS title would be misleading, and have a negative affect on the community here. Thanks for your response.

@KenGraham I was worried about that. Do you think coffee and homebrewing should be included too though? There seems to be at least 3 somewhat related sites (Beer/Wine/Spirits + Homebrewing + Coffee) which are all standing at fewer than 0.5 questions/day, each).

I would be okay with Homebrewing, but not coffee. At least at this moment in time.

Why marijuana but not coffee? How about "alcohol, canibis and caffeine" instead of "beer wine and spirits"?

Coffee SE has a better following at the present moment.  Homebrewing is like us is floundering somewhat.


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Proposal for badges on Beer, Wine & Spirits exchange?
Some of the exchanges have little quirks, for example: the badges on music exchange are musical notes...
I propose that the badges on our exchange look like little droplets of our various favorite beverages. For example: the bronze badge could look like a drop of whiskey, the gold badge; a foamy drop of beer. :)
Would it be pertinent to have a vote on this?

Badge icons are part of a site's design.  All sites that are in beta, including this one, share a single design with generic badges.  When we reach a higher level of activity and can graduate out of beta, a Stack Exchange designer will give us our own custom design, including this element.  (It'll be the same grapheme in three different colors, not three different shapes.)

Do you know if the community has any input on the design when we do finally graduate? Where would one submit those requests? The main meta you linked? I wonder when BWSSE will be out of beta... My request would involve the single uniform shape of a drop of alcohol and then color would vary by badge as it already does... I suppose a glass or a bottle of colored liquid would work for the badge as well! I'm still fairly new to the SEs (just finding out about the metas, for example...)

@SuperQueryLad it'll be a while; we need to have a lot more activity first.  If you follow that link, you'll see that 10 questions per day is a baseline that SE considers; we're well below that.  (They do have to be quality questions, though; flooding the site with low-quality questions that just get closed wouldn't help.) . As for input, what I've seen on other sites is that the designer asks for input from the community when the time comes, and then shares a draft and collects feedback.  So yes, we'll have a chance to provide input, but not for a while.

I like the idea of the bottles - however we do need more questions - maybe we all need a proverbial kick.

Proposal for badges on alcohol exchange?
Do not know how possible this is, but it is quite ingenious.
What I would like to see, is the following, but others may have another idea:

Beer mug for bronze badges
Wine glass for silver badges
Shot glasses for gold badges

It may just make the site a little more interesting for others.
The Music: Practice & Theory Stack Exchange as already mentioned has three different badge symbols for it’s badges: Gold, Silver and Bronze.


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Pairing is a bad tag and should be removed?
I saw a question marked pairing. By its very nature, pairing is an opinion-based tag and should be removed. In my opinion it should be site policy not to allow these type of questions.

Not so sure, let's have a discussion: Should Food/Beer pairings be on topic?

Since your objection isn't really about the tag, but the underlying questions, I'm going to ask you to join the discussion already on this topic.


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Should [Foreign-beer] exist as a tag?
All 11 questions for foreign-beer are asking about how to get beer from one place another place and given the international nature of stack exchange these range from buying American micro-brews in Europe to getting beers from one country in Europe in another country to asking where to find microbrewed beers in the country they are made in.

All across this site are a number of tags being used for the sake of finding a tag to put on a tag on a question we need to start getting the wikis sorted for tags so people really know how to use them

I agree, but every beer is foreign beer to someone unless we pick a primary locality first it to reference

Very true I agree with your points lets give it some time for the community to have there say and we will take some action

The concept of "foreign" on a worldwide site isn't meaningful.  If these questions are about transporting alcohol across national boundaries, we should come up with a tag that's about that transportation.  If the questions are about the beers themselves, we should use tags that are about the type of beer (or wine or spirit, for those cases).
A quick glance at the 11 questions currently using this tag shows no solid unifying theme to me.
Edit: I've retagged the questions that had this tag.  In doing so, I made the following distinction:

Location tags (e.g. italy) are about places, like where to buy such-and-such in that place.  Location tags are names of countries, regions, states, etc.
Local-style tags (e.g. german-beers) are about products that happen to have a geographical connection.  The locale is an adjective and the tag also contains a noun, like "beers".  Remember that our scope could include German wines alongside German beers, so "German" by itself isn't precise enough.

We probably have some tags that should be renamed (I already renamed "german" to "german-beers").  If you find them, please let us know -- mods can rename tags without individually editing the questions they're on.

Yeah I couldn't see a unifying them or imagine a use case for it as its currently being tagged.

Seeing that all 11  foreign beer tags deal with the question of getting beer from one location to another and seeing that we have expanded our site to include wines and other alcohols, should we change the this tag to an international sales tag when it comes to trying to obtain something that is not normally sold in the country of a particular OP? This tag would suffice for all alcohol sales on this site. I do not know if this is a good suggestion for everyone here or not. I am simply putting in my two pits into the question..


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Is it on-topic to ask about a non-alcoholic substitute for liquor?
Would a question about finding a non-alcoholic substitute to mimic the flavor of a particular liquor be topical for Beer, Wine & Spirits?
(Note that I'm not requesting migration, or saying it's necessarily off-topic at Seasoned Advice — but I honestly wasn't sure whether this would be something on-topic here or not!)

I would say that its fine as it is still about finding some thing alcohol related even if it is alcohol free and as we are still in a beta for this stack I think it is worth experimenting with different types of questions (as long as they are related), I would see no issues with a question of this kind


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I'm not sure this question about wine sales commissions is off-topic
This question about wine sales commissions I thought was an edge case. Not sure what harm it does by leaving it here. I don't know the inner workings of SE (although I am a programmer) and just want to contribute my knowledge of the world of alcohol. IMHO, this seems harmless. What do others think?

My main issue with the question is that there is no real question

Just checking other views on what commission wine representatives make
  off sales.

They are opening a broad question about commission on wine I left a notice on this post for a bit more explanation which I left on there for 48hrs as nothing was changed I put the question on hold until changes were made. While the title of the question does have an actual question, they need to expand on the question and ask for what they want not just views.
Your answer is totally fine and answers what I assume is his question but I'm trying to stop these kind of worded questions as it does not really help when people looking for a answer on Wine commission.
Once the question has been made more clear by the owner, I'm sure it will be re-opened but at the moment I think that this question is badly worded so is not much help to anybody.


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Rename the [style] tag to [beer-style]?
Currently style's description and usage is exclusively to talk about beer styles, but wine has different styles as well when referring to taste profiles and production methods.
I think that the current tag should be changed to be beer-style, or that its description be opened up to not be purely about beer.

can you give us an example of what you think the description of the tag should be ? As I agree to opening up the description to refer to all alcohol not just beer

style is a redundant tag and should be removed.
We already have style specific tags such as stout, schwarzbier, imperial-ipa and style is really just a meta/redundant tag in my opinion.


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Are tool recommendations on topic?
It has been a long time since I was active on Alcohol.SE and I wanted to check to see if asking for a tool/app recommendation questions were on topic before I posted a question and opened myself up to downvotes. Other SE's have varying rules on this from my personal experience and I wanted to check first.
Specifically I wanted to ask for a recommendation for a website/application with recipes based on an entered liquor/ingredient library with a few more qualifications to avoid list answers.

I don't have a definitive answer, but to this point, we don't have a specific close reason for them, and the questions in this vein haven't caused issues in the past, so I think a well formulated question like this is reasonable.

Are tool recommendations on topic?
My thoughts on this matter are that tool recommendation questions should be viewed as on topic providing that they genuinely are in volved in the wine, beer and alcohol industries.


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Time to pad out some tags
I have noticed whilst going through some tags that a lot of the tags do not have any context or description behind them
I think it is time we sorted this out
If you come across a tag that does not have a description please add one this will start to make this site a lot more fleshed and help people find the questions/answers that they need

Hi Jamie, thank you for your help with the tags!   I do want to note that tag wikis are not primarily to describe the tag term generally, but to describe how to correctly use the tag.  More detail on meta here.

Ahh sweet I shall make edits appropriate now :)


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Let’s all play 'Tag'?
Just wanted to have a quick say about tags,
If you read a question and it has a tag of wine  and the question is about red-wine  please edit the question and re-tag as appropriate this is all in the hope to narrow down some of the question tags as we don't want tags to become too broad so if somebody has tagged a question with rum  and it is about white-rum  then re-tag
just thought that i would put the message out there that this should be done it is not considered rude to re-tag a question it is simply making the site better and allowing people to finds the questions and answers that they need

OK, that all makes sense.  At last someone on SE makes sense to me!


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Would this wine recommendation question be on topic here?
Would the following question be on-topic for this site?

I am looking for a red wine recommendation. The Roman Rituale of
the Catholic Church has a special blessing which is reserved for the
Feast of St John the Apostle (December 27). The actual blessing for
the wine can be found on the site (page 312).
Why is wine associated with St John?

It is an old custom to drink of “St. John’s Love” by blessing wine on his feast day, December 27th.  According to legend St. John drank a
glass of poisoned wine without suffering harm because he had blessed
it before he drank. The wine is also a symbol of the great love of
Christ that filled St. John’s heart with loyalty, courage, and
enthusiasm. - Gnostic Devotions

Our Minister is okay with the idea but has set down a few desirable
traits he would like to see with the wine. The Wine should have the
following characteristics:

The wine should be red.
The price range should be no more than $20.00 a bottle.
The label should be modest and if possible make some sort of reference to St John if possible or some other religious theme, if a
St John theme cannot be found.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

Recommendation questions are currently an unresolved issue.  This happens on beta sites; we need to try things sometimes to see if they work.  Your question looks well-enough constrained to me (though are there any constraints about flavor, dry/sweet, etc?), so I'd say go ahead and ask it on main.
We don't want questions of the form "what's a good inexpensive wine?" (how should we know what you'll like?), but asking about wines (or beers or spirits or meads or ciders) that have certain properties seems ok to me, and as noted in the linked question, yours won't be the first.  Go ahead and ask it; you'll help us shape our scope, and I hope get some good answers.

Thanks, Monica. I will give it a shot and hope for the best!


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Would this question be considered on topic and not too broad on main?
Seeking online sources where companies offer free labels for their products (beer, wine or other spirits)?
A few years ago I discovered that Crown Royal offers free custom made labels (restriction do apply). I had much fun buying some Crown Royal with custom labels at Christmas time. The looks we got when they read the labels were truly amazing.
My question is quite simple: Are there any other breweries or alcohol producing companies that offer free labels online for their alcoholic beverages?

I say it looks good you are specifying that you only want breweries that offer custom labels and even though that could end up being a large amount of places it is still only one question
I say go a head and post it and hopefully you will get some good answers

I agree. Post it and see how it goes.


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Would "modern ways of alcohol concealment" be on topic?
I would like to ask a question(s) on the modern ways people use to conceal alcohol (bootlegging) on their person, but would like your input as to whether or not it would be considered on topic on the main site.

From the on-topic page:

Topics include, but are not limited to:

Specific beers, wines, liquors, ciders, or other alcoholic drinks
Breweries, wineries, and distilleries
Alcohol & production history
Styles & ingredients
Cultural and geographic questions specifically related to alcohol

So this feels off topic to me.
If you actually do wish to know, google will show you pictures of all the common ones:-)


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Should questions about drinking games be considered as on topic?
Should questions about drinking games be considered as on topic?
I personally do not care which way the answers go. I simple would like to know if we could consider if drinking games would be considered on topic here.
It might or might not bring in more traffic to the site. Thus I like to see if any input from those who use this site can be heard on this subject matter.
List of drinking games
Happy to see anyone weighing in on this.

Looks like it may possibly be on topic. Will have to phrase the question(s) accordingly to remain on topic and thus opening a new subject matter.


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Can the tags [whisky] and [whiskey] be merged?
Both tags whisky and whiskey refer to the same thing; they're just different spellings. Can these two tags be merged?

Thus should be easily done by moderators. In principle I agree with you.

@Ken who are the mods on this site, I've noticed a lot of un-closed questions and am a little concerned there are non

Look here for our moderators.

Note that the current descriptions aren't symmetrical:

Whiskey:
a type of distilled alcoholic beverage made from fermented grain mash. Various grains (which may be malted) are used for different varieties,

Whisky:
For questions relating to the subject of whisky. (Primarily Scotch, Canadian, and Japanese whisky.)

The second correctly notes that the "…ky" spelling is used for Scotch, Canadian, and Japanese whiskies.
This is not at all like the situation of "color" versus "colour" spellings; the spelling must match the origin of the drink, and is not simply an author's preferred spelling.
The first is a generic description, not saying that the "..key" spelling is used for Bourbon and Irish whiskeys.
Both are good ideas (so many other tags don't have any descriptions at all), but as they stand they don't complement each other.
But I think it unlikely that anyone would have a question about Canadian and Scotch while excluding Bourbon.
So while the "whisky" definition is good, I'd say there is really no need for such a specific tag.
The only question is which one to use as the real name and which as the alias?

This section from the Wikipedia article on "whisky" may be of help: "The spelling whiskey is common in Ireland and the United States, while whisky is used in all other whisky-producing countries. In the US, the usage has not always been consistent. From the late eighteenth century to the mid twentieth century, American writers used both spellings interchangeably until the introduction of newspaper style guides. [...]"

"[...] Since the 1960s, American writers have increasingly used whiskey as the accepted spelling for aged grain spirits made in the US and whisky for aged grain spirits made outside the US. However, some prominent American brands, such as George Dickel, Maker's Mark, and Old Forester (all made by different companies), use the whisky spelling on their labels, and the Standards of Identity for Distilled Spirits, the legal regulations for spirit in the US, also use the whisky spelling throughout."

That said, judging solely from which tag is getting used more, it seems like [whiskey] is the more commonly used tag, so it might make sense to synonymize [whisky] to [whiskey], leaving the latter as the primary tag. (It's very easy for site mods to swap the order of the synonymization later if desired.)


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10th Anniversary of Beer, Wine & Spirits SE!
In January Beer, Wine, and Spirits SE turned 10 years old. Congratulations on asking, answering, voting, and building this community for a whole decade!
Whenever a Stack Exchange site turns 10 we like to celebrate by encouraging users to reflect on their experiences here.
How did you first discover the site? Do you have a favorite question or answer? Any funny anecdotes or other insights that you would like to share? We want to hear it all!


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Is rice wine on topic?
Seeing that rice wine or sake is made through the fermentation of rice, which as we know is a grain like wheat and barley, is it on topic here? Why is it not called rice beer? Wines and ciders are the result of fermentation of fruits.

We've had similar questions regarding Cider and Mead and in both cases, the top voted answer opines that they should be on topic.
So, my personal opinion is that it should probably be on topic, at least until some point when we decide that it no longer fits or have a better site for it.  At this point, it would be my opinion that rice wine questions would be fine here.


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Question about questions?
I am not sure that I am going to express myself correctly here or even if this subject will be seen with favor, so I beg for your understanding if I go amiss.
Would it be possible to make questions on the main site that are done by the community and not from a individual that would normally too broad for this site, in order to both make it more appealing to newcomers as well as having a type of general list questions? This way people could continuously add their answers to the question.
For example:
What drinks could be paired with the celebration of Catholic saints feast days? (Please explain the reasons for your Choice).  I am sure some of you out there could come up with some type of list question also.
If this question is looked on in a negative light, I am good with that for at lest I can see how the site would like to progress!

I share your desire to increase participation.  The SE platform doesn't work well for "list" questions like that, in general.  You end up with partial information scattered among 35 different answers, none complete, and it's hard to manage.
An approach that can work is to have a single community-wiki answer that compiles all the information.  Local beers to try at airports (major airports only) was an early question that did that, but was ultimately closed as too broad.  It seems like this approach could work well for some questions, though -- to use your example, a community-wiki answer that lists the saints' days and compiles thematic drinks for each.  (I don't know anything about the culinary aspect of saints' days, so I don't know if that's feasible.)  On the other hand, if your question is about what to serve for St. Crispin's Day, ask that!  It's focused, searchable, and (I presume) answerable, without having the "big pile of fragmented answers" effect.  We've had some individual questions for specific days and I think those have worked well.
I don't have a good answer here, but I thank you for asking the question and I hope others will weigh in.

i would agree that the main issue with things like this is that the answers are hard to keep track of there is no way to say that a answer is right or wrong and how many answers will be enough for the asker, i agree the best thing to do would be a community wiki answer but once again this would still take time to compile its a hard area to look on as some list questions can be really good and some can just end up a mess of two or three item answers

The partial information scattered over a lot of answers is a problem - I don't know how this works but can't they be edited - sorry mods sounds like a job for you lot!  Oh well, that's my 2 cents worth!

@JamieEltringham Would it be possible to do a similar question of sorts, but the responses form one  large Wiki Post as I did with this question: How do Catholics observe Lent through a dignified and appropriate use of food?

@KenGraham I think that in cases like that i would say it would be fine as the answer although it is long has all the details and can clear up any misconceptions so i would say that that would be fine

If the question involved would make reference to the fact that the response (answer) would be a community wiki post answer only be acceptable. This way no single individual can gain reputation to the answer involved. Because it is a wiki post all of good would be invited to muck with the response by adding information as one stumbles upon it.
I have done this recently on the Christianity SE site with some success. the question involved is as follows:
How do Catholics observe Lent through a dignified and appropriate use of food?
This model shows how a question that is normally too broad can be placed into a single long running logical response without any single individual claiming reputation.
All of good will would be invited to muck with the response adding to one unique community wiki answer. And hopefully this could generate more interest in our Beer, Wine & Spirits SE site.


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Distillation of beer?
Will the subject on the distillation of beer be on-topic with the new scope extension as practiced at the non-professional level (home distillation)?

Why not just ask on http://homebrew.stackexchange.com/ ?


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To Hop or not To Hop
I was just wondering if questions about different Hops would be appropriate on this site or would that have better place on home-brewing. The way I was think was more about the taste of the hops and what effect they have on different types of beer. Would those sort of questions be considered off-topic here, or as long it was about taste would it be seen as on topic

I think questions about how different types of hops affect taste, storage time, serving temperature or any other aspect of enjoying the final product are solidly on-topic.
Questions that are specifically about production, such as which hops should be added to the mash when, overlap with Homebrewing and would probably fare better there.

@Jamie Eltringham.  I really want to help build this site and have some great ideas.  please email me at office@practicalboatcook.com  .  hey how else do I get to ask a mod a question off site?

Hey guys, it's an office email and I can easily block any spammers out there - just got some good ideas I want to put to a mod


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remove the untagged
Whilst exploring the site I came across this tag untagged
I have gone through and re-tagged the questions as appropriate(awaiting review)
and i think that this tag should be removed as there is no need for this tag all lit does is make types of questions hard to find.
The tag has no description and the questions that are in there clearly belong to existing tags. I believe that this tag should be removed

untagged is a pseudo-tag; it's what shows up if a question has no tags of its own.  It can't be removed.  When you come across a question with this tag, please try to apply other tags as you're doing.  (Thanks for the help!)
But wait, you might ask -- how can this ever happen in the first place, when you can't post a question without supplying at least one tag?  I know of two cases (migration and tag burnination), but it doesn't look like either applies here -- those questions weren't migrated, and I can't think what tag they might have once shared that would have been destroyed.

Haha thanks I did not realise this was the case but I did attempt to retag all of those question I found with that tag

I approved your edits, but we need one more approval for them to take effect.

Sweet hopefully more people review them soon


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We need to explain our tags
We are starting to have a serious problem with tags. People are just tagging questions for the sake of tagging the question instead of thinking what the tag means.
I think this problem comes down to lack of explanation on the tags, by this I mean the tag descriptions and the wikis I know I have made a post previously asking people to start to bulk out the tags but now it is getting a bit more serious.
If we don't start to bulk out the tags questions are just going to get lost and people wont be able to get the answers they need, I know we are only a small site at the moment but we have the potential to grow and I would love that to happen.
So I would really like people to start editing tag wikis and if they don't fully understand what a tag should be focused on make a meta post ask people what the tag should be used for. I know we have a good community here and I think that we can really get this site to graduation in a reasonable amount of time.
So lets all go and make our tags more understandable and give them a bit more meaning.

I agree - though I am probably guilty myself.  This site needs to really get some newbies coming in and everyone else reading, asking and answering.  Anything that helps is a great idea.

Hi, having some problems in understanding how to pad out the tags - please can you give me some guidance.

@dougal3.0.0 sure thing, this basically means on a tag there is a section that says improve this tag and there you will be able to add information about that tag what we need in these are things like what the tag is about how to use it and even things like example questions

♦. OK I may be being a bit of dumbo .  I have just posted a question but no where, when I went to put the tags in was there a place for me to do all of this.  I went to put in a new tag and still no explanation.  so I stuck to traditional ones.  I use firefox on a linux system - could this be an issue?  HEEEELP PLEEEASE!  I really want to do the right thing here!

@dougal3.0.0 this discussion is all centered around the description for a tag so if you click on any tag there will be a box with a tag description above a list of questions that have this tag inside that box there is a link to improve this tag info click on that it takes toy to a section to improve the description of the tag as this exchange is in beta still anybody can create new tags so some times we get too many tags that don't have any information of guide how to use them update this information helps people to use the tags correctly

♦.  thanks I will take a look later.  Hope that I didn't cause too much grief with my tag!


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synonymize taste and flavor tags
flavor and taste are actual synonyms already and their  use in questions seems to be fairly similar to requests for a beverage that meets a flavor profile to asking how serving in X or doing Y would affect taste.

Are you suggesting to merge these two tags together ?

As I understand it making tags synonym is one discrete step and actually merging the tags is a separate discrete action that can be done after they are made synonyms. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/70710/what-are-tag-synonyms-and-merged-tags-how-do-they-work

so you would like taste to be a synonym of flavor and flavor to be synonym of taste ?

Yes, that is what I am proposing, based on how both seem to be used to talk about the exact same thing currently, eventually we could merge them.

haha got you :) that sound fair to me they are very similar tags

They are not currently synonyms in the SE sense.  (But "flavor" has a synonym, "flavour".)  To bring these together as one tag with a synonym, we'll need to decide which is the primary -- the tag name that actually shows up on questions.

Merging and synonymizing these tags seems sensible, especially given that the tag wiki for [taste] says: "Questions about flavor and how it is influenced by various factors such as temperature and glassware."

@V2Blast long time no see! Nice to see you over here in addition to RPG.SE!

@JoshuaAslanSmith: Hello! Since I became a CM, I've been poking my head around the network :)