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Talk:Ordered pair - Wikipedia
Talk:Ordered pair
2 Extrapolating the tuple sequence
3 Other pairs
4 Who the hell is Morse?
5 Wiener definition
6 definition of caartesian product uses ordered pair, but Morse definition of ordered pair uses cartesian product
7 Set vs Multiset?
8 Mistake in introduction?
9 Another Definition and Proofs
11 In mathematics, an ordered pair is a collection of two distinguishable objects
12 Recent article by Dana Scott and McCarty
13 Math formatting
15 Ackermann set theory + proper classes
16 Please "spell out" Kuratowski
17 Couple of questions/suggestions
18 Coordinate extraction formulas
19 Ambiguity
20 Contradiction with Tarski–Grothendieck set theory article
21 Mathematical objects?
22 Boldface in the "Generalities" section
If (x,y) is {{x},{x,y}}, what is (x,x)? -phma
Obviously, (x,x) is {{x}, {x,x}} which is the same as {{x},{x}}. But then the expression that determines the second element is wrong. Suggestions? --Rade Kutil
No, it's quite right. The ordered pair (x,x) is symmetric -- switching the elements has no effect, and that's exactly what is reflected by the set notation. we get (x,x) = { {x} } after full reduction. -- Tarquin
Yes, but corresponding to what the article says, x would not be the second element of (x,x), which is wrong. --Rade
Then those statements are badly formulated. I've just checked my notes from my university logic class, and it seems we didn't linger much on this. It's not a definition you're meant to work with. The 2nd statement on the main page fails here because it is basically saying "x is the second element IF it's in the pair but not the first element". So if x is both elements, it fails. -- Tarquin
No; the second statement doesn't fail for (x,x) = {{x}}, and both statements are correct. The second statement says in words "x is the second element IF (i) it's in the pair AND, (ii) if there are distinct elements in p, then x is only in one of them".
(exist Y in p : x in Y) and (for all Y1 in p, for all Y2 in p : if Y1 ≠ Y2 then (x not in Y1 or x not in Y2)).
Since for (x,x), p consists of a single set, Y = {x}, then possibility described in the second clause can never occur - it is never the case that Y1 ≠ Y2, so the second clause of the above statement is trivially true; just as the statement {for all Y in p: if 6 = 9, then Jimi Hendrix lives} is trivially true. Chas zzz brown 06:49 Nov 20, 2002 (UTC)
Yes, it is correct now. It wasn't when this discussion was going on and until AxelBoldt inserted the correct statement. --Rade
Beyond that, though, the definition of (x,y) as {{x},{x,y}} is arbitrary. It's a "dummy definition", if you will, like there are "dummy variables".
Hmmm... putting on my Platonic hat, I have to disagree here that this is an arbitrary "dummy" definition. It's a definition, and a valid one at that; no different than, for example, the definition of ∑i=1 to 5{f(i)} as shorthand for f(1) + f(2) + f(3) + f(4) + f(5). As noted, it's rather clumsy to write in set notation; and thus the usual ordered pair is both clearer and more natural to work with; but I sleep better at night knowing that there is a consistent definition underlying this shorthand! Chas zzz brown 06:49 Nov 20, 2002 (UTC)
It serves only to give a solid set theory foundation to what we do with ordered pairs -- once we've seen it works we can ignore it. Analogously, complex numbers are initially defined as ordered pairs, and once we introduce the notation i = (0,1), we can cleanly forget about the ordered pair and write x+iy -- Tarquin
Why not use the definition (x,y) as {x,{x,y}}? It could avoid the confusion when x=y. -- Wshun
This then requires the axiom of regularity (a.k.a. axiom of foundation) to handle the possibility that one has sets x and z, with x={z} and z={x}, but not x = z. Then (''x'',''x'') = {''x'', {''x'', ''x''}} = {''x'', {''x''}} = {''x'', ''z''} = {{''z''}, ''z''} = {''z'', {''z'', ''z''}} = (''z'',''z''). Bzzzzt!
If one assumes the axiom of foundation (as usual in ZF), then x = {{''x''}} is forbidden (sets then can't have themselves as members); and then your definition works. The advantage of (x,y) = {{''x''}, {''x'', ''y''}} is that it is more general, as it still works without foundation; so it can even be applied to classes as well as sets, etc.. While there may be some confusion when x=y, the definition still works. Chas zzz brown 22:40 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
If (a,b) = (c,d) and we are trying to prove that a=c and b=d (which is the main requirement for a definition of ordered pair), then {a,{a,b}} = {c,{c,d}}. Then either a=c or a= {c,d}. If a=c then {a,b}={a,d}, so that b=d and we are done with the first case. The second case; if a= {c,d} then {a,b} = c. Then there is an infinite recursion: ''a''= {''c'',''d''} = {{''a'',''b''},''d''} = {{{''c'',''d''},''b''},''d''} etc. and then the proof that a=c, b=d cannot be completed. Well, it could still be possible, if a=c then {a,b} = {c,d}, {a,b} = {a,d}, then b=d, QED. But there is no guarantee that a=c in this second case, is there? (NO QED)
On the other hand, letting (''a'',''b'') = {{''a''},{''a'',''b''}}, if (''a'',''b'') = (''c'',''d'') then {''a''} = {''c''} OR {''a''} = {''c'',''d''}. If {''a''} = {''c''} then ''a''=''c''. If {''a''} = {''c'',''d''} then card {''a''} = 1 = card {''c'',''d''} so ''c''=''d''; {''a''} = {''c'',''c''} = {''c''}, therefore ''a''=''c'' in both cases. Then {{''a''},{''a'',''b''}} = {{''a''},{''a'',''d''}}, thus {''a'',''b''}={''a'',''d''}, ''b''=''d''. QED.
-- AugPi
Here's a proof written out on Metamath: http://us.metamath.org/mpegif/opthreg.html -- Sekkusu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.201.195.107 (talk) 22:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
If it is required that card (x,y) = 2 even when x=y or there is any dependence between x and y, define (x,y) as
( x , y ) = { { 0 , x } , { 1 , x , { y } } } {\displaystyle (x,y)=\{\{\,0,x\},\{\,1,x,\{y\}\}\}}
Then to define an ordered triple so that card (a,b,c) = 3, let (a,b,c) = { (0,a), (1,b), (2,c)} where 0,1, and 2 are Von Neumann cardinals: 0 = {}, 1={{}}, 2={{},{{}}}. Likewise, for an n-tuple, let (a1, a2, ..., an) = {(0,a1), (1,a2), ... , (n-1,an)}, then the cardinality of such n-tuple will be n. -- AugPi
Extrapolating the tuple sequence[edit]
Can the sequence triple, quadruple, etc. be extrapolated?? Let me see:
4. quadruple
5. quintuple
6. sextuple
7. septuple
8. octuple
9. nonuple
10. decuple
11. undecuple
12. duodecuple
13. tredecuple
14. quattuordecuple
15. quindecuple
16. sexdecuple
17. septendecuple
18. octodecuple
19. novemdecuple
20. vigintuple
30. trigintuple
40. quadrigintuple
50. quinquagintuple
60. sexagintuple
70. septuagintuple
80. octogintuple
90. nonagintuple
100. centuple
125. quasquicentuple
150. sesquicentuple
175. terquasquicentuple
200. bicentuple
300. tercentuple
400. quatercentuple
500. quincentuple
1000. milluple
10^6. milliontuple
66.245.6.12 00:50, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Other pairs[edit]
I replaced the text In the usual Zermelo-Fraenkel formulation of set theory including the axiom of regularity, ordered pairs (a, b) can also be defined as the set {a, {a, b}}. However, the axiom of regularity is required, since without it, it is possible to consider sets x and z such that x = {z}, z = {x}, and x ≠ z. Then we have that
(x, x) = {x, {x, x}} = {x,{x}} = {x, z} = {z, x} = {z, {z}} = {z, {z, z}} = (z, z)
although we want (x,x) ≠ (z,z).
by a few examples of possible other definitions, plus reasons why they are not used. Aleph4 13:44, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I added a reference to the first definition of the ordered pair using sets alone (due to Norbert Wiener, 1914) and attributed the Rosser pair correctly to Willard van Orman Quine.
Randall Holmes 21:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Who the hell is Morse?[edit]
Who the hell is Morse?
Anthony Perry Morse (1911-1984), Professor of Mathematics, University of California at Berkeley. He ought to get a Wikipedia article. photo bio advisor and students --Hoziron 14:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Wiener definition[edit]
Is the Wiener definition actually
( x , y ) = { { { x } , ∅ } , { { y } } } {\displaystyle (x,y)=\{\{\{x\},\emptyset \},\{\{y\}\}\}} ?
Why did he not use
( x , y ) = { { { x } , ∅ } , { y } } {\displaystyle (x,y)=\{\{\{x\},\emptyset \},\{y\}\}} ? --NeoUrfahraner 06:13, 22 March 2006
Because he introduced his definition the the framework of Russell and Whitehead's theory of types. There all elements in a class must be of the same type, namely one less than the type of the class (they are elements of). Now if x and y are of, say, type n, then {x} and {y} would be of type n+1, and {{x}, 0} would be of type n+2. Now putting {{x}, 0} and {y} in the same class would mean a "type clash". Hence we have to use { {y} } --which is also of type n+2-- instead of {y}.</nowiki> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.59.209.222 (talk) 00:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
definition of caartesian product uses ordered pair, but Morse definition of ordered pair uses cartesian product[edit]
in the 2nd paragraph it says:
"The notion of ordered pair is crucial for the definition of Cartesian product"
in the paragraph "morse definition" it then says
( x , y ) = { x × { 0 } } ∪ { y × { 1 } } {\displaystyle (x,y)=\{x\times \{0\}\}\cup \{y\times \{1\}\}} which uses a cartesian product. so an ordered pair is defined in terms of a cartesian product which is defined in terms of an ordered pair which is defined in terms of a cartesian product etc 12:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Set vs Multiset?[edit]
As the Kuratowski definition defines an ordered pair (a,b) as the set (a,b)= {{a}, {a,b}}, what if a=b? Quote: "However, for purposes of foundations of mathematics it has been considered desirable to express the definition of every type of mathematical object in terms of sets". That means the 'set' {a,b} isn't a set but a multiset. Am I correct or just running in circles?
If a=b, then ( a , b ) = { { a } } {\displaystyle (a,b)=\{\{a\}\}} , i.e. if the set defining the pair has only one element, then both components of the ordered pair are equal. I see no need for a multiset. --NeoUrfahraner 10:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Mistake in introduction?[edit]
"In mathematics, a pair (a,b) is ordered if (a,b) is not equivalent to (b,a)."
Isn't that only true if it is also true that a is not equivalent to b?- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 00:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The person who made this edit appeared to be trying to clarify the introduction, which currently seems to be rather technical. The addition doesn't seem to handle the possibility that a and b are the same thing. I've reverted the edit, since I don't see an obvious way to make the introduction clearer. Michael Slone (talk) 03:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I attempted some rewording to the idea clearer and less technical (or at least easier to read...). Although probably more understandable, I'm not sure if it's rigorous enough. We might want a multi-paragraph lede to explain the concepts in more detail. —AySz88\^-^ 08:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Another Definition and Proofs[edit]
It would be nice to provide a proof for the simple treatment [(x,y)={x,{x,y}}] as this is the definition given in many introductory math texts. Also, I remember somewhere seeing another definition of the ordered pair (maybe in Quine's Philosophy of Logic?) such that:
The ordered pair (x,y) = {x,{y}}. I'm probably missing something (and perhaps this definition runs into difficulties with iteration) -- but I don't think I saw that definition in the article. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.34.169 (talk) 02:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Can we delete the "reverse definition"? Its completely identical to the "regular" definition, and the distinction is only syntactic —Preceding unsigned comment added by AbnormallyNormal (talk • contribs) 14:49, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
In mathematics, an ordered pair is a collection of two distinguishable objects[edit]
Having the Kuratowski pair <{},{}>, it is totally unclear to me, what does "distinguish" {} and {} mean? Peta 77.104.243.33 (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't a changed formulation like:
"In mathematics, an ordered pair is a collection of objects having two coordinates (entries, projections), such that one can always uniquely determine the object, which is the first coordinate (first entry, left projection) of the pair as well as the second coordinate (second entry, right projection). If the first coordinate is a and the second is b, the usual notation for an ordered pair is (a, b). The pair is "ordered" in that (a, b) differs from (b, a) unless a = b."
better communicate, that the coordinates of the pair need not be "distinguishable"? Peta 77.104.243.33 (talk) 09:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
The first sentence is a description of a Cartesian plane geometry, not of an ordered pair; a pair is certainly not a "collection" of pairs. The language here also seems to say that the object is the first coordinate, and the role of the second is left unclear.
Nor is geometry the only application of ordered pairs.
My attempt (five months ago) to improve this muddle was reverted today with this note: "distinguished" was incorrect, both objects can be the same, i.e. indistinguishable. So what? If two coordinates happen to have equal values, they are still distinguished by their function. In the pair (2,2), is there any doubt which is the first coordinate and which is the second? —Tamfang (talk) 18:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
My notes and reasons why I reverted your formulation:
In your formulation you replaced "collection of objects" by "combination of objects". That is an error, since according to Combination_(disambiguation) "In mathematics, a combination is a collection of things in no specific order.", while in ordered pair, the order is what matters.
In your formulation you replaced "collection of objects" by "combination of two objects". That is an error, since the "two objects" can in fact be just one object.
In your formulation you wrote that the "two objects" were "distinguishable". That is an error, since as mentioned, there may not be "two objects", in which case, there are no "two objects" to distinguish. To notice, how problematic such a formulation is, notice, that the most commonly used (Kuratowski) definition, gives us { { ∅ } } {\displaystyle \left\{\left\{\emptyset \right\}\right\}} as an example of an ordered pair. Where you have your "two objects", is a mystery.
Certainly, the coordinates are always distinguishable, in the sense, that you can tell which object is the first coordinate, as well as tell, which object is the second coordinate, but that is a different sense than the one you used in your formulation.Ladislav Mecir (talk)
Good point about combination; but doesn't the same objection apply to collection? — How about structure? or an object consisting of two elements?
The most natural reading of "a collection of objects having two coordinates" is something with two levels of structure, viz a set of ordered pairs; otherwise either objects or collection is redundant.
Thank you for pointing out Kuratowski's pathological example. (In { { ∅ } } {\displaystyle \left\{\left\{\emptyset \right\}\right\}} , how do you tell which coordinate is which?) You see it as disallowing the obvious operational definition; I see it as a good reason to avoid torturing oneself by hunting for essences.
That's exactly the sense of distinguished that I used. Did you confuse it with distinct (i.e. 'unequal')? —Tamfang (talk) 23:58, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
A "collection" is certainly a more "basic" notion, than a "combination", as is demonstrated by the fact, that a combination is defined as a collection of a specific kind.
I tend to agree, that the word "objects" looks redundant in the present formulation, so would it be better if we wrote: "In mathematics, an ordered pair is a collection (of objects) having two coordinates (or entries or projections), such that it is distinguishable, which object is the first coordinate (or first entry or left projection) of the pair and which object is the second coordinate (or second entry or right projection) of the pair." Would that be an improvement?
Re "how do you tell which coordinate is which?" - it is easy, the first coordinate is the ∅ {\displaystyle \emptyset } , which happens to be the second coordinate as well in this specific case.Ladislav Mecir (talk) 00:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
,i.e. we are able to "distinguish" the coordinates in the sense, that we can "distinguish", which object is the first coordinate (the ∅ {\displaystyle \emptyset } ), as well as "distinguish" which object is the second coordinate (the same ∅ {\displaystyle \emptyset } ), while we certainly cannot distinguish ∅ {\displaystyle \emptyset } from ∅ {\displaystyle \emptyset } . Ladislav Mecir (talk) 11:05, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
In fact, the "Kuratowski pathological example" cannot be attributed to Kuratowski, since the ordered pair (a, a) has this property for any definition used. - Let's just for a moment suppose, that a denotes you. It certainly isn't possible to distinguish you from you, while it certainly is possible to distinguish, which object is the first coordinate of such a pair (you) as well as which object is the second coordinate of the said pair (you again).Ladislav Mecir (talk) 00:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
It certainly is possible to distinguish two representations of me from each other. —Tamfang (talk) 23:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Is "99" a one-digit number? —Tamfang (talk) 05:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
once again, your formulation "two objects ... the first ... is distinguished from the second" is the formulation you wrote, and it is an error, since that is not true. That is like saying that in "99", the first "9" is distinguished from the second "9", while it is not, they are both the same character. What can be distinguished is not "the first from the second", which can not be distinguished, but "what is the first" (between all conceivable objects) and "what is the second" (between all conceivable objects). The fact, that both can be the same clearly disallows to distinguish the first from the second.Ladislav Mecir (talk) 08:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Ordinary people would say "99" consists of two nines, a first "9" and a second "9", distinguished by their position. You insist that two congruent objects are the same object. Such an axiom may be useful for some purposes, but I doubt there's a consensus for applying it universally. It makes your definition obscure, with no apparent benefit.
Could you tolerate a plainer definition (before or after yours) if it were labelled as "informal"? —Tamfang (talk) 20:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Your formulation: 'first "9" and second "9" distinguished by their position' is just an error. It requires all objects to have a position in every pair as their own property. But, e.g. an empty set, or many other mathematical objects simply do not have such a property. In your error, an ordered pair having you as its first as well as second coordinate cannot exist. I can feel sorry for you, but cannot allow you to write such falsities into an encyclopedia article. I cannot help but wonder, how people making more than three serious errors in one sentence can feel to be "chosen" to correct it.Ladislav Mecir (talk) 21:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
"You insist that two congruent objects are the same object." - error again. I just insist, that there are such ordered pairs that contain only one object, which plays the role of both their first as well as second coordinate, and that this property is essential for ordered pairs to be what they are.Ladislav Mecir (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Your argument is narrow-minded, if not circular, and your tone is increasingly offensive.
"It requires all objects ... as their own property": No, it requires the representations of the objects to have an attribute which we may call context.
I chose myself to propose language that might make sense to the layman, just as you chose yourself to defend the true religion of obscure mumbo-jumbo. Any other self-nominees are welcome to put their oar in. —Tamfang (talk) 23:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
If mentioning one dollar in two different contexts were capable of making two distinguishable dollars from it, I would have been using such a "device" for years.Ladislav Mecir (talk) 10:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for demonstrating the limits of your understanding. —Tamfang (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Maybe this will help: what is distinguishable, is, which formulation (context, or projection) we use to refer to the object, i.e. whether we say, that "the object is the first coordinate of the pair", or "the object is the second coordinate of the pair". What is not distinguishable, is the object being the first coordinate of the pair, from itself, being the second coordinate of the pair as well.Ladislav Mecir (talk) 11:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Recent article by Dana Scott and McCarty[edit]
I wish to draw everyone's attention to the following article:
Dana Scott and McCarty, Dominic (2008) "Reconsidering Ordered Pairs," Bulletin of Symbolic Logic 14(3): 379-97.
The entry should mention this article in some way, and incorporate a bit of its rich content.111.69.249.90 (talk) 12:42, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Math formatting[edit]
There is some mixture of math formatting on this article. For simple ASCII math (anything with just letters, punctuation, and subscript/superscripts), I propose we just use HTML formatting and lose all the "math" tags, many of which are showing up as images for me. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Agree. HTML is preferred where possible. Paul August ☎ 14:21, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I also agree. There is nothing on this page that requires math tags, and that is not likely to change. Hans Adler 14:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to nominate the first sentence of this article as the most obscure definition of the most elementary concept. Really, someone who's mathematical knowledge is sufficiently slight that they don't know what "ordered pair" means will not have a chance of understanding the first sentence.
Having said that, I'll try to fix it. McKay (talk) 06:44, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
"Fix"? It contains just your original research "a list of two things" - Where exactly did you find that an ordered pair is a "list"? Where exactly did you find that ordered pair shall contain "things"? Where exactly did you find that ordered pair has to contain "two" "things"?81.200.57.149 (talk) 00:29, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Ackermann set theory + proper classes[edit]
Does it make sense to use the Kuratowski ordered pair definition for proper classes in Ackermann Set Theory resp. its extension ARC? If so, shouldn't this also be mentioned? -- 132.231.198.38 (talk) 15:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Please "spell out" Kuratowski[edit]
Could someone _please_ do us the favor of spelling out how exactly these definitions, let's pick Kuratowski since it's so common, actually "define" an ordered pair?
Kuratowski says: (a,b) := {{a}, {a,b}}
Let's suppose a and b are very simple objects, say 6 and 13. So from Kuratowski we can supposedly get to the ordered pair (6,13) from this:
{{6}, {6,13}}
... so at the "top level" this is a set that contains two sets, in no particular order. How is this equivalent to a pair which is ordered and contains integers? Clearly I, for one, am missing something here. Either there is more to the notation, or something more is being implied. Thanks for any enlightenment! Gwideman (talk) 11:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
It's pretty clear that all by itself, just from the symbol string {{a}, {a,b}}, a mechanism (e.g. a Turing machine) cannot determine the first element and then the the second element and then properly write the symbol string (a, b). The TM will need a set of rules embedded in its "program" to guide it. (Intuitively for folks who like puzzles, it should be suspicious that there's a singleton {a} and then a pair {a, b} and the element in the singleton, a, appears in as an element in the pair {a, b}.) By the time Suppes 1970:22-23 introduces the ordered pair (Kuratowski version) he has introduced 5 axioms of set theory:
1 Axiom of extension (set A equals set B if and only if they have the same elements)
2 Axiom of specification (a "condition" S(x) creates a set B from the set A for all elements of A for which S(x) holds)
3 Axiom of pairing (creates unordered pairs)
4 Axiom of union (combining sets)
5 Axiom of powers (power set E contains all subsets of the given set)
So by the time we reach his Section 6 Ordered Pairs there's powerful set of rules available to define the notion of ordering. By use of the definition (a, b) = {{a}, {a,b}}, Suppes' proof proceeds by cases and it has to do both the if and the only-if parts, so unfortunately it is rather long (about 200 words) and somewhat tedious. It begins with the statement "We have to show that if (a, b) and (x, y) are ordered pairs and if (a, b) = (x, y), then a = x and b = y." It proceeds through all the various singleton cases, then arrives at the x <> y case.
Maybe someone knows a shorter proof somewhere. Wvbailey (talk) 16:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)Bill
Wvbailey: Thanks for your response. Your "Turing machine" comment succinctly captures where I was stuck, and indeed the "program to guide it" is instrumental in understanding this ostensibly simple piece of set theory.
The crux of what stumped me (and evidently was what Peta and Tamfang discussed earlier on this talk page) is this: (a,b) := {{a}, {a,b}} does *not* define a pair with an ordering per se (in the sense of identifying that a is first and b is second). It only defines a way to use the mechanism of sets which distinguish items only by value, to implement two distinct variables -- that is to say, two distinct slots in which to store items, and later retrieve the items from each distinct slot.
The "distinct slot" idea is more or less just a restatement of the "defining property" of the ordered pair, and a reader who neglects to note that the defining property of "ordered pair" omits any mention of "order" will be vulnerable to confusion downstream. It remains for additional "logic" to actually perform the retrieving of one item or the other, and attribute to them the order (first and second). And thanks *very* much to the author who explicitly included that logic (Pi1 and Pi2) that actually performs that job. That crucial piece was missing from Hrbacek "Introduction to Set Theory", which is how I got here in the first place.
For the sake of others who might be similarly stuck: In order to understand how "{{a}, {a,b}}" corresponds to "ordered pair", it's crucial to understand how "first item" and "second item" are picked out of "{{a}, {a,b}}". A key challenge is that "{{a}, {a,b}}" has no ordering to it, so, for example, the {a} element is just an element in the set, not the first element per se. Indeed, so far as I can see, Karatowsk could just as well be written: (a,b) := {{a,b}, {a}} (not to be confused with (a,b)reverse, mentioned later in the article).
The answer lies in the two Pi equations, which in English are:
first: take the element that appears in both members.
second: take the element that appears in only one of the members. If there is none, the elements must be the same, so use that.
Hope that this is all correct, and might help other folks who stumble in here! Gwideman (talk) 00:51, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Couple of questions/suggestions[edit]
1. Intro: "and hence the ubiquitous functions". Here "ubiquitous" looks suspiciously like a technical word. Is there some distinction between ubiquitous functions and non-ubiquitous functions? Or is this simply pointing out that functions are of broad importance?
2. In "Defining the ordered pair using set theory": "The above characteristic property of ordered pairs is all that is required to understand the role of ordered pairs in mathematics. Hence the ordered pair can be taken as a primitive notion, whose associated axiom is the characteristic property."
The first sentence here seems fatuous. Even if true, the second sentence doesn't follow from it.
I suspect this is trying to say something like: the ordered pair is a powerful concept, and consequently its axiom (the characteristic property) has been chosen as a primitive upon which to build further set theory.
Gwideman (talk) 01:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Re your first question: your second interpretation is correct, the formulation is simply pointing out that functions are of broad importance.
Re your second question: I did not write the formulation, however, the first sentence is OK, and the second sentence follows from it. It is not true that the first sentence is trying to say that "the ordered pair is a powerful concept", rather it says that it is easy to characterize the notion of the ordered pair, since the above characteristic property is all that is needed. It is also not true that the ordered pair has been chosen as primitive and its characteristic property has been selected as an axiom, at least not in general. Commonly, instead of chosing the notion of the ordered pair as primitive, set theories define the ordered pair using some definition such as Kuratowski's. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 18:52, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Coordinate extraction formulas[edit]
In the formulas given under Kuratowski definition for extracting the first and second coordinates, what is the purpose of the outermost Union? I had difficulty finding a definition of what unary union does in all cases. Is the idea to "remove an outer layer of set enclosure"? Ie: {a} --> a? But if a is not a set, but a value such as 6, will this succeed? I expected the result of a union operation to be a set. Gwideman (talk) 13:02, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Everything, including "6", that can be put in a set is a set. --JBL (talk) 13:45, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
The notation {(a, b)} is ambiguous. It can mean either the singleton whose single element is (a, b) or the doubleton whose elements are (a and b). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Contradiction with Tarski–Grothendieck set theory article[edit]
The article says: "Also note that the short version is used in Tarski–Grothendieck set theory, upon which the Mizar system is founded." However, under the Mizar implementation of Tarski–Grothendieck set theory, it shows that the Kuratowski definition is used. This is a contradiction, so one of these articles must be wrong. 173.76.101.86 (talk) 02:04, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Mathematical objects?[edit]
Although it has been in the first sentence since 2011, calling the components of an ordered pair mathematical objects is clearly false. The ordered pair is certainly a mathematical object (a mathematical structure) but its components need not have any mathematical meaning (they could be colors or the names of cities or anything else with no mathematical import). I am amazed that editors have let this stand and am only bringing this up here before I change it on the off chance that someone may want to defend it. Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 03:02, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
"calling the components of an ordered pair mathematical objects is clearly false" - I am sure this is your honest opinion, but, please consult how Wikipedia handles these issues. If you do not have any WP:IS stating that the components of the ordered pair are not mathematical objects, please do not make the change. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 04:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Do you actually disagree substantively? --JBL (talk) 12:41, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I disagree sustantively too. Definitions (e.g. Kuratowski's definition) of ordered pair are restricted to pairs of sets, which are mathematical objects. There are also definitions of ordered pairs of classes, but that does not matter in this case, since classes are mathematical objects too. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 14:17, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Actually I think the burden of proof is not for me to find a source saying that the components are not mathematical but rather for you to find one that says that they are. Appealing to any of the various definitions in terms of sets is a formalism that does not cut the mustard! To say that since a formal definition involves sets, the components are mathematical, is begging the question. The second sentence refers to the order of the objects (components), yet these are not the sets of the definitions, and my point is that these objects need not be mathematical. Consider a reader coming to this page for the first time. In order to understand the first sentence the reader must already be familiar with the formal definitions and their consequences. This is simply poor writing and one of the major contributors to the oft heard complaint that math articles (in particular) are written by and for specialists. This is a topic that is taught with varying degrees of rigor and across several disciplines. To treat it solely as a topic in formal logic is doing a disservice to its varied audiences. Following the best traditions of Wikipedia technical writing, the lead should be an informal introduction to the topic and, in this case, explain the need for a more formal definition before getting into the mechanics of those definitions. The present article does a poor job of this and the given rationale for the set-theoretic definitions is, IMO pure BS (and, might I add, unsourced). This article's introductory material does need some work, and I think that a good start would be the removal of the word mathematical from the first sentence. --Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 19:19, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Bill. Certainly the components of an ordered pair need not be any more "mathematical" than the elements of a set, which in non-formal settings are usually allowed to be anything. Paul August ☎
I am more partial to the formalism than either Bill or Paul (in particular, the idea that a set can contain something that is not mathematical makes me a little queasy), but I agree that it is not necessary in the lead. I don't know what I'd do with the wikilink mathematical object. --JBL (talk) 23:51, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
As a modern mathematician, raised on formalism, that idea would make me feel queasy too (like walking in quicksand) while doing mathematics, but not in other settings. And besides mathematics is bigger than formal mathematics. Paul August ☎ 12:25, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Formalism is my bread and butter as well, but I am wondering if I am missing something here since I don't feel the slightest bit of queasiness. How does one fill out the sentence, "An element of a set is mathematical because, ..." – it is an element of a set???? That kind of circularity would make everything mathematical and so, that term would lose all meaning. I have been accused in the past of not seeing the forest because of the trees, and if I am doing that again I would like to be set on the straight path to queasiness. --Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 17:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
[Disclaimer: the following comments are not intended to have anything to do with editing this article.] In my opinion, the formalism of "set" can contain only mathematical objects, by definition. I don't think it makes sense to speak of a set containing a (real) tree, any more than it makes sense to speak of a tree that is Ω meters tall. In the real world there are collections of things, but they are not sets. (I do not think that it is important that other people agree with me, nor do I think it is necessary to share my view to know how to write this article well. I also do not claim that my feeling about this is "right" in any strong sense; it is just my feeling.) --JBL (talk) 18:51, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
I mainly disagree with the formulation "calling the components of an ordered pair mathematical objects is clearly false". I think that the main cause of the controversy is the fact that the term mathematical object is from the philosophy of mathematics. Mathematicians prefer the term object, and for them a formulation calling an element of an ordered pair object is fine. So, for the consensus sake, I can agree with replacing the term mathematical objects by objects in the lead section of the article. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps I should have qualified my statement by adding "... from certain perspectives." ( such as my own!) I think this change will improve the tenor of the article. I would also like to see some more material having an informal perspective, but I do not want to dilute any of the fine work presented here on the various formal definitions. Perhaps a section that is clearly labelled as being informal and other dealing with applications can be added. Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 22:25, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Boldface in the "Generalities" section[edit]
The section contains this text:
Then the characteristic (or defining) property of the ordered pair is:
Per MS:BOLD, the use of boldface for this purpose is discouraged. I propose to use
instead. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 04:21, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Done I agree. --Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 18:03, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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Connecting Hearts...One Woman at a Time: Just a Shepherd Boy
I love studying the life of David. I find such encouragement in his life. God called him ‘a man after my own heart’ and while he was that, he stumbled, fell and hurt just like the rest of us. That speaks to the melancholy in me that is determined to do it all and do it perfectly. I can mess up and God will still allow my heart to beat just for him. First and Second Samuel read to me like the most fascinating of any novel I could find on the shelf at my local Barnes and Noble and right now in this blessed season, I have the privilege of studying the life of David once again.
I’ll have you know that I’m only on the second day of my Bible Study and already my mind is ablaze in wonder.
I wonder what David thought when he was brought in from the field that day and anointed by Samuel. I wonder what he had been thinking about while tending to the sheep in that field just hours before. Were his thoughts lofty or mundane? Was he happy and content tending to the sheep or did he dream of greater things?
These are just a few of the many questions I have the day that I meet my King face to face.
This speaks to me, because in my life right now I feel like I am in a season of sheep tending. Not the pastoral type of sheep tending, but the real sit in a field all day watching sheep graze the grass type of shepherding. I wake up in the morning, eat a bowl of cereal, get the baby ready, kiss the hubby, head to work, sit, answer the phone, sit, greet a guest, sit, pick the baby up, cook dinner, bathe the baby, go to bed. Surely I thought life would be so much greater when I was a young girl. Perhaps you feel this way, too.
Today I read a blog entry written by one of my best friends. She’s really struggling in life right now. Through her written words I can hear her practically screaming “Is this all life has to offer me?” at the top of her lungs.
And then I think of David. I wonder if he thought those exact thoughts while he spent his days watching sheep eat grass, poop and sleep. It’s a known fact that sheep aren’t the smartest or the most interesting animals, surely he got bored.
Perhaps he loved being a shepherd. One of the sweetest moments in my day is having the Daycare’s Bye-Bye buggy make a visit past my desk. (The Bye-Bye Buggy is a cart full of precious one year olds who make their way around our establishment, either in order to prevent boredom or keep the babies from falling asleep.) I love those babies; I know each of them by name. It’s a sweet thought to think that David knew each of his sheep by name- that they were more than just sheep, they were cherished pets.
Regardless, David’s life changed one afternoon when his father sent for him to leave the field and head home. In just a matter of hours, David went from being just a shepherd boy to the anointed and chosen one of God. It says in The Message that the spirit of God entered David like a rush of wind. Can you even imagine?
I’m going to think about David, the shepherd boy David, when I find myself in a rut. When life feels mundane and I want to shout at the top of my lungs “Is this it, Lord?”
Where are you in your life right now? Are you feeling bored, weary, unimportant, overlooked?
Tomorrow could be the very day that God pulls you off of the field to anoint you and call you to the very thing he chosen for you to bring glory to Him. Are you allowing God to prepare you for that time or are you too busy wallowing in your sorrows?
Make a choice to be thankful for wherever God has you in this movement. Learn from it, cherish it, live in it.
I imagine that when David looked back on his exciting and prosperous life, he was indeed thankful for that time he spent in the field merely tending to the sheep.
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Kyah DeSimone: Boston girl, 13, carries battery for 'artificial heart' in handbag | Daily Mail Online
The teenager who carries her heart in her purse: Boston girl, 13, carries battery for 'artificial heart' in handbag and charges it through a car cigarette lighter Kyah DeSimone, 13, of Hyannis, Massachusetts, suffered rare heart failure at the age of 10 and has since been waiting for a donor organIn the meantime the junior high student has a titanium pump making her heart beat and keeping her aliveShe carries a purse with a battery to power the artificial heart which is wired through her abdomenShe can even charge it through a car cigarette lighter while she's on the move
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In most respects she's a normal teenager with a love of hanging out with friends and talking fashion, but 13-year-old Kyah DeSimone from Boston carries a purse with her that matters more than the recent trends - it powers her artificial heart. The teenager was rushed to hospital from a sleepover when she was just 10 years old. Doctors were shocked to realize she was suffering from heart failure as a result of dilated cardiomyopathy, a condition which slowly means the heart is too weak to pump. She has since been forced to make the agonizing wait for a heart transplant and, in the meantime, carries a purse with her at all times which includes a battery powering a chest pump or 'artificial heart' which keeps her alive. Transplant: Kyah DeSimone finally received a donor heart on Saturday. She used to have to carry a purse with her at all times containing a battery and monitor for her artificial heart
Relief: Kyah DeSimone, 13, from Hyannis, Massachusetts, pictured, was granted her wish of a new heart on Saturday
Doctors had to fight to win the energetic teen the titanium pump, which has been surgically implanted into her chest, and is powered by a small portable battery. The small metal device wasn't yet approved for children but doctors asked for an emergency exemption saying they had no choice. Her frantic mother, Denise, a nurse, had little option but to watch and wait.
'I knew it was heart failure when I saw it,' she told ABC News. 'We didn't know if she would make it through the night," she said. 'It was the worst thing to watch, ever.'Dr. Christina VanderPluym, a pediatric cardiologist at Boston Children's Hospital, treated DeSimone and argued for the pump. 'In the past, we would just allow these kids to pass peacefully,' she said. 'But now we have ventricular assist devices small enough to put in children, and that's what we were able to use in Kyah.' How it works: This graphic by the FDA shows how Kyah's pump works. It fixes to her aorta and left ventricle and is powered via a wire through her abdomen. She carries her battery in a purse
Emergency: Kyah DeSimone was rushed to hospital from a sleepover after suffering heart failure at the age of 10
'We had to ask for an emergency exemption. It took a lot of work by lot of different people to make this happen.'Within an hour the device turned the Massachusetts teen's chance of surviving around. With the pump, her heart can pump five litres compared to one. She was kept in hospital for two months before being allowed to leave with her little black bag. It contains a battery pack and iPod sized monitor and connects to the pump through a wire in her abdomen. 'This battery pack is her life support,' Dr VanderPluym added. When's she in their Hyannis home she can plug the pump in to the wall and she has four back-up batteries in case it runs out. Normal teen: Kyah DeSimone's is fashion mad and loves hip-hop and basketball but she is also desperately waiting for a heart transplant
High school: Kyah DeSimone, right, pictured with a friend, will soon be able to return to her teenage life with a new heart
In the car she can even use use an adapter to get power from the cigarette lighter.'I can feel it inside, vibrating,' she said. 'It's very noisy. It's a little nerve-racking.' She says she remains positive about the possibilities of getting a transplant and in the meantime has plans to decorate the bag so it fits in with her fashion-hungry teenage life. The pump - known as a Heartware Ventricular System - was approved for use in children by the FDA just nine days after Kyah's implant was approved. Read more:

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Non Stop Online Live Streaming Pinoy Movies, Philippine Movie Reviews, Philippine Box Office Movies: 2011-01-16
The official movie poster of the GMA Films and Regal Entertainment trilogy “My Valentine Girls” has been released.The film stars the Valentines Box Office King Richard Gutierrez as a novelist searching for a girlfriend with Jillian Ward as his little sister who will have a cupid-like purpose in the movie.The film has three romantic stories:“Soulmates” tells of a relationship that started with a vehicular accident involving Richard and Rhian Ramos, a fashion stylist. Richard dies and appears to Rhian as a ghost to ask for help in going back to his family. Eventually, they get closer to each other but what else can happen to them if Richard is already a ghost?Another story features Richard’s team-up with Survivor Philippines’ Solenn Heussaff in “BBFF”. Richard plays the role of a lawyer who decides to propose to his best friend Solenn. However, the latter prefers that they remain friends due to her beliefs and notions on friendships turning into romantic relationships. She then sets up Richard with Lovi Poe and the two hit it off. Will Solenn regret her match-making in the end?The trilogy also includes “Gunaw”, an apocalyptic tale with ace comedienne Eugene Domingo. Uge convinces Richard that they have a mission to procreate because they are the only humans left after a worldwide disaster. Will Richard give in to Uge for the sake of humankind?“My Valentine Girls” is set to open in theaters on February 9, 2011.Source: Starmometer.com
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Melissa Frances: September 2013
2 "Classic Elegance" project shares from Russia
Today we have two beautiful projects to share with you from Russian scrapbooker Tatiana. She shared the following lovely note with us:
I want to share with you my love to new collection "Classic Elegance". I have made a LO and a card using papers "At first blush", "Bits of paper", "Strictly business” and "Lost in a garden". Also I used some embellishments by Melissa Frances (adorable angels and fascinating crowns). I had a lot of fun using this new collection!
Thank you so much Tatiana. We always love to hear from paper crafters from all around the world who love and use our products!
If you have a project that you'd like to share with our readers, we invite you to email it to us at: blog@melissafrances.com
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New Jersey Scrapbook Expo
This weekend, Sept, 27&28, the Melissa Frances team will be at the New Jersey Scrapbook Expo. Here is a little peek at what you will find in our booth:
Communion Keepsake
(Supplies: Papers by Melissa Frances (Antonia) and resin (cx706 and cx862))
It was our pleasure to have the talented Fabienne Pernot France as a member of the Melissa Frances international design team for several years. She created many beautiful projects for us that were out of the box in a unique, creative way. While Fabienne is no longer on our team, she did leave us with a few projects that we had not yet shared on the Melissa Frances blog.
Here is a little about this project from Fabienne:
"Here is a rather special card I created for my little cousin Naomi, an adorable young, pretty girl, who is always sweet and smiling. A girl who, according to tradition and the Catholic religion, has grown and received teachings and, on a recent Sunday, celebrated her profession of faith in taking communion.
I could not miss this opportunity to offer this gift with our hope that she will keep her smile despite life's difficulties, and that she'll be sincere and passionate in all her actions. In short, I wanted to encourage her to enter the adult world in sweetness."
A special thank you to Fabienne for all the time and energy you devoted to creating amazing projects for us. We enjoyed having you as a part of the Melissa Frances team!
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Come see us in Ontario, CA • October 11 & 12
We invite you to join the Melissa Frances team at the Ontario, CA Scrapbook Expo, October 11 & 12. We will have a booth full of our wonderful products for sale, and we will also be offering some inspiring workshops, taught by one of our team members.
Melissa Frances workshop in San Diego this weekend
We are pleased to share that design team member Karin Aguirre will be teaching a workshop in San Diego this weekend!
Venue: Paper Tales ( 3960 W. Point Lama Boulevard Suite N. San Diego CA 92110).
Date: September 21, Saturday
Email: papertales@cox.net
Contact: +1 619-222-2510
Description: Join Karin in this fun Melissa Frances mini-book class that was created for the Winter 2013 CHA Melissa Frances booth. Now that all the papers have arrived, she is ready to teach you how to make it! We will be using the new Melissa Frances paper line “Classic Elegance” as well as lots of embellishments, resin, tags and trims. We will even break out the paint to add some extra dimension to our project. Everything will be provided to make your own personal mini-book.
You bring: basic craft kit: scissor, adhesive (Beacon 3-in-1 is recommended and available for purchase at the store) and a pencil.
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Come see us in Somerset New Jersey • September 27 & 28
We invite you to join the Melissa Frances team at the Somserset, New Jersey Scrapbook Expo, September 27 & 28. We will have a booth full of our wonderful products for sale, and we will also be offering some inspiring workshops, taught by one of our team members.
A chipboard "Classic Elegance" Mini Album
We hope you enjoyed your Labour Day weekend. We can hardly believe that it's already September...it seems like summer went by in a flash! As the kids start heading back to school, families get back into their 'normal' schedules and the weather turns cooler, it's the time of year when many paper crafters are able to devote more time to creating. We look forward to sharing the projects that our design team has been working on with you over the coming months. Be sure to join us for fun tutorials and amazing inspiration.
Today's featured project is a share from Claire @ Lemon Paper Designs. She uses our "Classic Elegance" collection to create this beautiful chipboard album. Be sure to click on the link to her blog to see more of her project on her personal blog.
If you have a project that you'd like to share with our readers, we invite you to email it to us at: blog@melissafrances.com.
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SOLVED: The LCD screen is cracked on a Fujifilm finepix S1 - Fixya
I have purchased a new LCD screen and would like some instructions regarding removing the old screen and installing the new one. I also need to source a #0 triwing screw driver so that I can open the case. If you can recommend a site where the correct tool can be purchased this would be greatly appreciated also (I have purchased an HFA 360/x50 triwing screw driver but this is too big). Many thanks, Mark Manning
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When I clicked on the link www.pdarepair.com the result was - server not found. When I googled pdarepair.com I found pdarepair.info but no information that related to my problem.
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only half the screen is working dave r only half the screen is working dave r
mark1256 May 19, 2009
This site is primarily for mobile phone and laptop screen repairs and unfortunately has no info relating to digital camera screens. Thank you for your assistance however in trying to solve my problem.
Re: The LCD screen is cracked on a Fujifilm finepix...
Try www.pdarepiar.com they may have what you need to fix this unit.. You welcome just please rate..
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Vista will not install driver for my camera
Click on the link below. Scroll the window down and enter the code mentioned on the screen and click on download. Then clcik on FPUpdateV.exe transfer program(win Vista)
http://www.opendrivers.com/driver/292721/fujifilm-finepix-s1000fd-camera-firmware-1.05-free-download.html
Its easy to download the drivers. Try it!
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Sep 22, 2009 | Fuji FinePix S1000FD Digital Camera
Sep 12, 2009 | Fuji FinePix S1000FD Digital Camera
Cracked screen, bought a replacement
Google the words...disassemble a digital camera. Go to the sites listed and you might change your mind about going forward (or you might be inspired to continue depending on your expertise).
Aug 28, 2009 | Fuji FinePix S1000FD Digital Camera
I have this company in the uk:
https://secure.fujifilm.co.uk/shop/consumer/digital/digital-accessories/spares/product-123724
you could also have a look on ebay, just type in s1000fd lens cover and see what you come up with.
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Inside the Wendy House: E-Cloth Green Cleaning Challenge
Time To Come Clean and Go Green!
I am not one of these women who dons a pinny and headscarf and effortlessly floats around the house making everything sparkle and gleam with a smile on my face. I am instead someone who finds housework a necessary evil! I hate the idea of using gallons of chemicals to keep my home spick and span. Everytime I pour some harsh cleaner down the loo or down the plughole, I wonder where it is going to end up and what effect it is having on the environment. I also suffer from psoriasis on my hands which flares up whenever I so much as look at a bottle of bleach!
Last year I discovered e-cloth and was impressed that I could clean my home using nothing more than the power of water! 99% of germs can be removed without having to use chemical cleaners. Using my e-cloth to clean up the bathroom sinks and polish the taps has been my contribution to green cleaning. I feel like I am doing my bit, I'm saving money on cleaning products and it is quick, easy and effective on everyday messes. However, I've not been brave enough to completely turn my back on the off the shelf products that temptingly promise to turn your greasy kitchens and limescale ridden bathrooms into sparkling clean spaces. This year however, my dedication to going green is being tested further with the e-cloth Green Cleaning Challenge. Can I say good-bye to chemical cleaners for a whole month? Using a range of e-cloth products along with a host of natural alternatives to chemical cleaners, can I keep my home hygienically clean? E-Cloth have sent me everything I need to go clean and green for the next four weeks. Using some everyday items such as lemon juice, salt, bicarbonate of soda and vinegar, alongside some eco-cleaning products and my e-cloth collection, I'll be testing just how easy it is to go green.
Coming Clean and Going Green!
I'll be sharing some hints and tips on how you can clean your home naturally. I'll also be interested to see how much I could save from my weekly shopping bill by making the switch. Apparently we spend on average £109 a year on cleaning products. The initial investment in e-cloth products could soon pay for itself several times over! So wish me luck as I embark on this challenge!
Take a look at e-cloth's website to see the range of products specific to different household cleaning needs and maybe do your bit in coming clean and going green.
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Spanish Paella Recipe - AOL On
In this video, learn about the basics of paella and what you need to make one.
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Rob Carson: Hi, I am Rob Carson. I am a radio personality and I like to cook and today I am in the kitchen of Javier Quiroga of To Your Taste Catering Vienna Virginia. He is an excellent caterer, I have had some of his food and it's wonderful and today we are making.Javier Quiroga: Paella.Rob Carson: Paella comes on, excellent. Alright now, the thing about Paella, it's absolutely—-it's wonderful, it's complex and you are going to love it. But let's talk about To Your Taste Catering, what do you guys do?Javier Quiroga: We are the best catering company in the world.Rob Carson: Okay, that's easy enough.Javier Quiroga: We are a full service catering company with a boutique feel to it, where we really strive to take the word catering really and make it what the word really is which is taking care of you guys.Rob Carson: You do things with aJavier Quiroga: We do International Cuisine. We just specialize in that. We do international cuisine anywhere from Barbecue from Bahamas and Hotdogs to elaborate Paella like we are about to show you guys today.Rob Carson: All right cool. First of all, let's talk about our materials. Obviously we are going to need a good Chef's knife, cutting board of course. You are going to need some pots and pans here because we are not only cooking stove top meats but we are also steaming seafood. So I see you have got a couple of sauté pans here.Javier Quiroga: Couple of sauté pans and one larger sauté pan, unless you want to go ahead and spend some more money and buy the Paellera, this one here that we are talking about here.Rob Carson: That's the Paellera.Javier Quiroga: The Paellera and it's got to be -- if you use a sauté pan, it's got to be shallower pan, about two inches, so everything can cook evenly. Then we are going to need something to steam your seafood in and that's about it and then we are going to be using this bigger one here at the end.Rob Carson: This giant sauté pan here which oddly enough is shaped just like Javier head. So I think his wife obviously did one of these things. So we need this because it's little bit deeper and we are going to put all the ingredients, stove top in here as we cook them and as we finish this.Javier Quiroga: You could also just—if you are preparing the paella for maybe less people you can do something a little smaller.Rob Carson: I will tell you something. Paella is not to be made for two people or even four people. Paella is about the family, it's about like eight people. So invite some friends. As far as safety, obviously if you are dealing with sharp knives, be careful, watch your fingers and of course lots of heat.Javier Quiroga: And then also one thing that you have got to be careful with also the cross contamination a little bit. I think it's important to know especially if you are handling chicken or pork, always wash your hands, sometimes I carry just a spray of Clorox mixed with bleach.Rob Carson: Yes, you are not mixing them together.Javier Quiroga: Yes, quick, quick, quick although well cooking it later doesn’t really—it doesn't makeRob Carson: And remember to wash your cutting boards as well.Javier Quiroga: Always.Rob Carson: Okay cool. So Javier, obviously we have a lot of ingredients here, let's run through them quickly, what do we have here? This is Javier Quiroga: We have some wheat flour here to dress the chicken into. We have some regular Uncle Ben's rice we have some arboreal rice which is a more traditional thing to use for Paella.Rob Carson: Okay, so you don't use both of them but you can use either of them.Javier Quiroga: Exactly, you can use either of them.Rob Carson: Quiroga, we have got some vegetables here.Javier Quiroga: Yeah, we have some red peppers for garnish, some white onion also that we are going to need for the -- sautéing some of the other ingredients.Rob Carson: Little bit of citrus.Javier Quiroga: A little bit of citrus here for the end that -- I like to do that for myself.Rob Carson: For sure. As far as meats are concerned here we have gotJavier Quiroga: We have some boneless chicken breast we have some pork chop there, nice thick pork chop. We have some Chorizo here and that's as far as the meats are concerned.Rob Carson: Okay cool. I am noticing over here we haveJavier Quiroga: We have some artichoke hearts, we have some green peas and we have some cheek peas and of course garlic for the whole thing.Rob Carson: Excellent. Seafood.Javier Quiroga: Seafood, we have some Little Neck clams, regular clams, we have the large shrimp, and we have the shrimp with the tail and the head for garnish at the end also. We have the smaller shrimp that we are going to be -- because everything is about presentation, about mixing everything together. We have some squid here with the tentacles too and we have some bay scallops right there.Rob Carson: As far as seasoning is concerned, fairly simply we have got some pepper, some nice salt.Javier Quiroga: Regular salt and the star of the show, the saffron.Rob Carson: And little bit of saffron.Javier Quiroga: That's the main ingredient for the Paella. This is what makes Paella different from let's say a Risotto or from anything. 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itsweet&savory: December 2012
I have an upcoming book swap party to go to and I've been experimenting with a few desserts. I saw this one on Pinterest and decided to take a chance at it. I followed the recipe from the My Baking Addiction blog here.
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Located in Sainte-Maxime, Hotel La Villa is next to a golf course and near the beach. Frejus Amphitheatre and Frejus Cathedral are notable landmarks, and the area's natural beauty can be seen at Frejus Beach and Saint-Raphael Beach. Azur Park and Luna Park Frejus are also worth visiting. Our guests appreciate the hotel's quiet location.
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La Villa – Alfresco dining restaurant with a bar offering French cuisine. Serves breakfast and dinner daily.
A restaurant, a bar/lounge, and free newspapers are available at this smoke-free hotel. Free WiFi in public areas and free self parking are also provided. Additionally, a garden, a front-desk safe, and a banquet hall are onsite. All 12 soundproofed rooms feature free WiFi and minibars. For a bit of entertainment, guests will find flat-screen TVs with digital channels, and other amenities include room service and premium bedding.
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This is a nice family run hotel right across from the beach. We had a nice room overlooking the water and the owners did everything they could to make our stay enjoyable. The hotel is located outside the town of Saint Maxime but very close to the harbour at Les Issambres. From this harbour you can catch regular boat ferry to St Tropez.
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Excellent hotel. Room was very comfortable with a sea view. Beach is located on the other side of the road. There is an hourly ferry service to St Tropez only 5 minutes walk from the hotel. There are a few good restaurants near the marina. Location is stated as St Maxime, but is actually in La Garonnette, a suburb of St Maxime, about 15 drive from St Maxime main centre, which initially confused us in finding the hotel.
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It has been way too long but this year has been crazy to say the least. Summer is here though so I am determined to blog more regularly. Have several goodies in the mail on the way and will post pics when they arrive. Until then, here are some of my new favorite post secrets.
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A goal by Andre Ayew three minutes from time guided Marseille to victory at Toulouse as they overcame a missed penalty to move into third in Ligue 1.Ayew powered home a late header after Taye Taiwo had failed to convert a spot-kick 10 minutes into the second half.It was Marseille’s sixth win of the season and they are now just one point behind leaders Paris St Germain.The visitors had the first chance of the game, Brandao’s cross being met by Andre-Pierre Gignac whose header went just wide with the keeper beaten.Toulouse responded with Daniel Congre putting a header slightly over the bar from Paulo Machado’s corner.
Marseille kept up the pressure and twice went close before half-time. Brandao missed by inches with a shot before Souleymane Diawara headed inches over from Lucho Gonzalez’s corner.Didier Deschamps’ side were then given the chance to take the lead after 55 minutes when Loic Remy was fouled by Franck Tabanou in the area and a penalty was awarded.However, although Taiwo beat goalkeeper Mathieu Valverde the ball went wide.Gignac had a shot punched away by Valverde before Remy hit the side netting as Marseille searched for the breakthrough.
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A Chaplain Abroad - Fr Bede Rowe: Altar Cloths
On going to Chavagnes there were a certain number of aesthetic things I really wanted to do. One was to put halos around the saints on the front of the altar. For some reason they had been removed. This was done, see here.
Another was to put a backing to the statue of our Lady. Also mission accomplished, here.
The third was to get altar cloths that reached to the floor on either side of the altar. This is no mean feat when your altar is quite so large. So I decided that the answer was extensions. And if you are going to put extensions onto altar cloths (and why for goodness sake would you not?) then you may as well embroider the school coat of arms onto them at the same time.
You can see in the first picture marking out the arms in pencil onto a piece of white material, and then beginning to fill it in. My embroidery is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but from a distance it is not too bad, and as the altar is sideways on, only I and the altar servers would see it!
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Welcome to My WINDOW IN TIME: Dec 9, 2010
to Ponchatoula and back
Mama has learned to string pearls! She made some beautiful pearl necklaces. Then, she strung every bead she could find and was chompin' at the bit for more. Aunt Clara Faye turned her on to a place in Ponchatoula called the Turquoise Coyote. This is a bead store. I'm talkin' wall to wall beads of every size and variety can be found there. So, Mama needed to go buy some pearls today. She picked me up then picked up Aunt Clara Faye and off we go...to Ponchatoula.
On our way, Mama is driving with one hand and talking with the other. Her little drop pearl earring (which she handcrafted) is swinging in time with her talking. The little red heart that hangs from the rear view mirror is swinging in time with her driving. I am so observant. heehee. I sit in the back seat and listen and practice my manual camera exposures. They can hear me clicking away but ignore me because they are used to me and the ever lovin' camera stuck to my face.
So, this is the 'on the way back' picture. Aunt Clara Faye wears out her little paper sack that holds her new beads. She can't help but pull out her new lapis beads to admire them. Then, she puts them back in the paper sack and rolls the top back over. ooops....here comes the unroll..out with the beads again. I am sure she is imagining the beautiful strand these will make. Personally, I love the idea of crafting more than the crafting. The potential, the potential...
Look -a- there. She loves those new beads.
She even admires the new style of clasps that she purchased today also.
For some reason, I am captivated by that little red heart. It's still justa swingin'. Trust me, the conversation is still going on in the front seat, all the way there and all the way back. I am reminded of when I was a little kid riding in the backseat of Mama's car. I guess I will always be my Mama's little kid at heart. ...watchin' and listenin'...and swingin'...
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home.made.: Curio Transformation
While Mr. home.made. took advantage of the warm weather and did yard work yesterday, I set out to finish my curio cabinet project (between laundry and cleaning, of course…). I’m happy to say it’s finally finished!
As I mentioned in my progress post, I painted this piece with Annie Sloan Chalk Paint in Paris Grey, using a watered down second coat to leave a smooth finish. I then waxed with AS soft clear wax and buffed with a cotton cloth for a soft sheen.
I replaced the original glass panels with chicken wire for a couple of reasons. First, the glass was from the forties and was a major safety hazard because it was not safety glass. (Proof in point – Mr. home.made. suffered a gash to his hand after moving those panels this weekend. Ouch.) Second, some of the panels didn’t survive our two moves last year. So rather than get six custom glass panels made, I went farmhouse chic with a little poultry caging material.
I measured the panels and cut with wire snips, then secured to the inside of the curio with upholstery staples. Lots of upholstery staples.
Several scratches and a few curse words later, all of the wire panels were installed! I did keep the original glass shelves because they were in great condition and weren’t as sharp on the edges.
The original hardware was a dark gold/brass finish so I added some antique silver Rub n Buff and then added more patina with some burnt umber antiquing medium. I think I may still try and get it a little darker, but I’m living with it for now.
The real showpiece here anyway, is this: my vintage Rose Point china, inherited from my great aunt and uncle. I think it’s probably the most beautiful thing in my home, and one with a great deal of sentimental value. And yes, I do use it. Beautiful and functional, two qualities every item in your home should possess, right?
I’m quite happy with the way this piece turned out – the grey color perfectly complements the ivory china, and it’s really lightened and brightened a piece that felt dark and heavy and a little too serious.
The best part? It’s still my grandmother’s curio. Controversial as painting wood furniture may be… it doesn’t change the story of the piece. It simply adds in another chapter: mine.
Hope you’re having a fantastic Monday! Are you painting anything today?
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Sita March 4, 2012 at 9:11 PM
Your curio is so charming! I love the chicken wire! Fabulous makeover!
Tonya March 4, 2012 at 9:14 PM
GORGEOUS!!! I love, love, LOVE it!! The color is beautiful & the chicken wire is FANTASTIC!!! Great makeover girl!! Sharing this on my Facebook page!!
Zuni, Chickadee Home Nest March 4, 2012 at 9:25 PM
Wow! I just did a little paint project and was about to go nuts; yours is great/beautiful!! Enjoy your special china. Here from Under the Table, right next to you! Hope you visit back. ~Zuni
Kristin March 4, 2012 at 11:03 PM
I love how you say painting it adds another chapter to the story of the piece. What a beautiful sentiment! I've gone through the same thing with some of my grandmother's old furniture. I realized it was better to make it my own than to have something with sentimental value just sitting in the garage. It looks gorgeous and I love the chicken wire!
Gail March 5, 2012 at 2:32 AM
Your curio cabinet looks great! I just re-did the one I had. You were brave to add chicken wire. That was my original plan but decided against it because of it being hard to work with without getting all scratched up. After seeing yours, it may be worth it!!!! Thanks for sharing, Gail
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Ashley H March 6, 2012 at 7:06 AM
Gorgeous! Great idea with the chicken wire! It looks so much more *modern*!
mary beth March 8, 2012 at 4:13 AM
Popped over from the shabby creek and I love your blog! I like the color you chose for this furniture piece...great job!
uniquelyyoursormine March 8, 2012 at 4:44 AM
Love the way it "updated" the piece! Great job! - Susan
Cassie @ Primitive & Proper March 8, 2012 at 4:56 AM
it looks beautiful! i love paris gray!
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Gabby March 8, 2012 at 6:58 AM
Oh this is gorgeous! I pinned it right away! Smart move on getting rid of the glass, as I am in love with the chicken wire! Visiting from Savvy Southern Style!
Stacey March 8, 2012 at 8:00 AM
The colors you chose are so pretty and soothing. Very nice job - I really like the chicken wire so much better than a traditional curio cabinet!! I would love for you to stop by my Creative Inspirations party to link up your project! I would love to have you there! The party is happening NOW!
Jennifer @ Delightfully Noted March 8, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Gorgeous piece & I love the color you went with.
Jenna March 8, 2012 at 11:13 AM
I LOVE the chicken wire! Definitely a clever way to solve a problem.
Jennifer @ Town and Country Living March 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM
LOVE Paris Grey! I like your addition of chicken wire. It looks great!
Jessica @ Sunny Tuesday March 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM
I love this, Rhonda! It has been featured over at The Shabby Creek Cottage on Facebook! :)
Rachael Honner March 9, 2012 at 7:41 PM
I love the chicken wire... such a lovely, modern yet chic farm house look! So crafty of you!
Sue March 10, 2012 at 7:31 AM
I was so excited to see your beautiful curio cabinet redo. I have a curio cabinet very similar to this that I have been planning to paint also (trying to decide on my color). I too have been debating about putting in chicken wire so I was so happy to see yours done that way. I am also trying to decide, if I want to make it really country, if I should take out the mirror in the back and having the back be beadboard. Can't decide on the beadboard. Anyway, your curio came out terrific, I really love it, and it was helpful for me to see.
Jennifer @ The Brilliant Crafty Type March 10, 2012 at 9:01 AM
Chicken wire is the coolest. This piece is beautiful! Well done!
Laura Ingalls Gunn March 11, 2012 at 7:44 AM
Today is the last day to enter the giveaway I am hosting for a $50 Kirklands gift card. Pop on by. :)
Stacey March 12, 2012 at 10:44 AM
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing - please come back this week to link up again!
Shannon March 15, 2012 at 7:32 AM
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Amy @ Positively Splendid March 17, 2012 at 9:00 AM
What a brilliant transformation! You've been featured in my Saturday 7 Spotlight this week! :) http://www.positivelysplendid.com/2012/03/saturday-seven-spotlight_17.html
Bliss March 18, 2012 at 6:32 AM
Stopping over after your feature at Tatertots & Jello to see your project and also to pin it. I just saw a curio like that at an auction and thought, I couldn't make it look good. Now I think I can just like you did.
Nann from At Nann's Table March 22, 2012 at 10:36 PM
Wow Rhonda...your curio cabinet is beyond fabulous. You did an amazing job. Love how you used the chicken wire. I haven't tried AS chalk paint yet but I'm sure thinking about it. You've about made me a believer. Congratulations. You rock!!!
Wild Oak Designs April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM
Fabulous! I love the chicken wire, and although you may have to dust china, it lends to its new chapter in life! I agree, sometimes...it just needs to be painted! Way to go!
Texas Mom April 18, 2014 at 9:45 PM
I want this! Ugh... I wish I was crafty!
Katie Drane August 10, 2014 at 11:31 AM
Just wanted to let you know that I'm featuring your curio tomorrow on my painted projects round-up, with a link back of course. (If you would rather not be featured, no biggie. Just let me know.) It's gorgeous!!!
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Went there The weekend before Valentine (without realising it was The weekend before Valentine:p)
One of The only restaurants we contacted that was willing to squeeze us in. Very friendly staf, great food And correct prizes.
It were The smaller things that made it for me. The overall atmosphere, The eye for details. Best irish coffee i had in a...
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1 helpful vote “Good restaurant on the sea shore with both Thai and Seafood kitchen”
Very good restaurant on the sea shore of Ostend right next to the Casino Kursaal.
they are serving a combination of Thai food and sea food. and are clearly experienced in both...
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2 helpful votes “Good food - service mmmh”
Our Mussels tasted very good. The wine and beer was good as expected.
The waitress wasn't very friendly and not observant at all
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5 helpful votes “Lovely Asian atmosphere with traditional Thai and Western dishes”
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Fantastic food - as always. Wr have visited many times. On this occasion the service from one person was hostile and downright rude. Very sad - a favourite restaurant in Ostend which honestly can't be revisited because of the dreadful rudeness. Thanks to the other members of staff who genuinely apologised for the behaviour of their colleague.
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2 helpful votes “Just Nice!”
Price-quality is excellent.
Tasty cuisine with traditional Thaï dishes And other modern french cuisine.
The service is great aswell.
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3 helpful votes “nice (fish) restaurant”
nearby the beach a nice decor and lots of fish meals and dishes!
Ideal for couples, less for families with little children.
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2 helpful votes “Too expensive and bad service!”
We reserved a table for 18 : 30 and were a bit surprised when we still found the restaurant closed at that time. Inside we could observe the servants having their dinner in all tranquility.
Whatever - They then opened five minutes later and we could take a seat wherever we wanted, because the restaurant was empty at that precise...
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