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Confirmed: Leica, Nikon and Olympus won't be attending Photokina 2020: Digital Photography Review
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In a press release on its website, Photokina has confirmed that Nikon, Leica and Olympus have all opted out of attending the 2020 trade show.
Tags: expo, leica, nikon, olympus, photokina, tradeshow
dpreview killed the photography tradeshow.
Video game companies are bailing out too in their tradeshows. Tradeshows do help smaller companies when they launch something nobody even heard of. The thing is they charge big booth a lot of money. Tradeshows will evolve to smaller new idea indie companies. Unless a big companies come out something innovated to show off, yearly upgraded techs don't do much.
That is the end of photokina.
Not only those three companies won't participate in this trade show. The reporter too.
How many photo-related magazines do remain today? How many influence [photo-related] websites? How many readers?
How many people nowadays care for the photo technology advanceness?
The snow ball is rolling ..
I think it's not only related to photo/videography industry alone. I know several other industries taking lesser part in trade shows.
Online specific company (live) shows and presentations are way cheaper and easier to organize and reaching often millions more.
Please show me the CEO in the camera industry who salaries have increased 900 plus percent in the last 30 years. Again please re-read my post as well as the gentleman I was responding to. The cost benefit ratio simply no longer exists. The union rates were onerous even when we were flush with cash. Still even if those rates were cut by 75%, I would still pass. These shows no longer drive sales period.
Good. Trade shows are a waste of time and money. Now we won't have to wait to hear about new equipment until some lame show embargo expires.
i wont be attending again this year. same as all the previous years and future years. i get all my info from leaks on the interweb
Sadly the golden years are long gone, where you talked face to face and enjoyed the comradery of like minded individuals in a stimulating backdrop, today we are victims of the flash screen where we sit faceless and listen to drop kicks like Northdrop while monsters like Amazon and Google become insanely rich, sad times, ah do I hear the words of George Orwell?
They don't have to. None of these companies have to. It's all very old hat.
I'm not sure why they've been attending got the last 10 years.
It's like the exhibitors don't understand that the internet exists and that reviewers will do all the leg work for them, for free, when they release a new product.
Sony's launch parties really obviously rev up reviewers better than these shows do.
Yeah, launch parties seem to be the go, these days. Plus all the online fervour that crops up from rumour sites, and giving review samples to prominent YouTubers and bloggers.
Ten or more years ago, we had PMA in Melbourne and Sydney, which became The Digital Show. Lower attendance and rising costs put a stop to it in recent years. I was told that it cost something like $100,000 or more for a player like Nikon or Canon to present at the event, with a stall, staff, presenters, etc.
Trade shows give you something that online presentations can't - the ability to see and handle gear in person, and talk to company reps. I had many good conversations with people from Leica, Canon, Panasonic, even the American founders and designers of Thinktank bags were in Australia for PMA one year.
I bought gear based on those handling experiences and conversations, including cameras, lenses, tripods and bags. While my purchases don't cover the costs of company attendance, I think trade shows do a lot for public support, and good trade shows can be really exciting if you're into gear. If Photokina folds, it will be very sad.
Not $100K, but close, about $50K.
I would cover the events as a contractor for the event organisers and that's how I was told what the exhibitors cost estimates were.
Also, we used to have four motor shows, that became, three, then they dropped Brisbane, then took turns between Melbourne and Sydney, then around 2012 nothing.
These events aren't useful in today's world, I'm really surprised they dragged on for as long as they did.
Nice to know that you were there; I miss the Melbourne Motor Show, I went to a few as a kid, then later in my twenties. I have many photos and good memories of PMA/Digital Show from the late 2000s and early 2010s, both in Melbourne and Sydney. Last one I attended, Vince Laforet gave a presentation about film making at the Canon stand, which I think is where the $100,000 came into play. Flying in an industry figure, paying him an appearance fee and accommodation, plus the setup and manning of the exhibitor stands.
TBH I miss those shows. I got to see gear I'd never think of looking at; Dragon Image in Sydney brought all kinds of body harnesses to hold video cameras, others showed motion control dollies for timelapse work. If the Digital Show was still going, they would be exhibiting RED cinema cameras. Oh well.
I met Horacio Pagani and got to move the first Zonda model up into place on the stand as I was the only person speaking Italian and familiar with the product (by familiar I mean in love with) -highlight of my career lol.
The only benefit of a motor show that can't be replaced now is the ability to trial (see, not drive) different brands under the same roof.
With cameras that can be done as most retailers sell different brands, Digi Direct usually let me test anything I like before buying. For that I buy nearly everything from them.
Stephan Fo.
For a company like Canon, Photokina cost is probably closer to 1Mio$ than to 100k$. Floor cost only is probably close to 500$/sqm (sorry, I'm metric), stand construction adds another 2-300/sqm, add personnel cost, security, marketing, etc... (conservative estimation based on my experience, I'm working in the trade show industry).
But 1Mio is not that much if you compare it to a typical marketing campaign (several Mio).
Dying brands need not attend but they are welcomed just the same.
Ohhh... Nikon is so not dying! Stumbling and suffering through a major transition/evolution sure. Down, but definitely not out.
Leica is Leica. Rich posers will cough it up for awful underperforming bodies at double the price of the class leader so that they can have the red dot. Or the Lenny Kravitz collectible that will never shoot a frame. Whatever, they're in their own halcyon bubble... Leica wil probably survive.
Oly has a rabid following, and M43 is tremendously popular with photographers that actually truly enjoy the art, and they're good at it! Just check out the Challenges here at DPR. It's pretty common for an M43 to win; beating out D850s, 1DXM2s, etc.. Oly's not dying but i think their "giant" EM1X release failing to even begin to challenge its lofty Canon and Nikon sports competition kinda wet the bed for them. M43 wil never work for sports. Sensors that small just can't keep it together at high ISOs necessary for really fast shutter speeds. If they stick with landscape and street bodies they'll be just fine. 🙂
"Rich posers will cough it up for awful underperforming bodies at double the price of the class leader"
There's another digital M?
Embarrassing, for Sony, that it didn't have an EVF to compete with that in the 2015 Leica SL until the mid-2019 release of the Sony A7RIV, a Sony body which is still behind the SL, amongst others, for ergonomics.
Leica bashers so oft start from a place of low information and remain there. I see you fit that pattern.
Ah, i take it DPR had a word with you about your prolific abuse of the word "ignorant". Glad to see your recent improvement. Sincerely. You've been rather civil lately, actually. A very welcome growth. No joke, i almost thought that the "new you" was a bot using your screen name.
I see Leica will always be your trigger. But thanks for your new more-civil tone in Leica defense.
Don't you think it would be wise if you just ignore my posts, and me altogether? Given your intense Idealization of Leica don't you think you'd find your life less stressful if you did? I can't stand Leica and you'll never even begin to change that. And it's totally fine with me that your love affair with Leica remains intact. I know that's not going to change, and I'm 100% fine with that. But you do realize you respond to me as if I've just called your wife fat, ugly, and stupid, right? It's just cameras, RAW... Why don't we just avoid each other?
"Don't you think it would be wise if you just ignore my posts, and me altogether?"
Don't you think it would be wiser if you skipped the less than low information claims about Leica?
"Given your intense Idealization of Leica don't you think you'd find your life less stressful if you did?"
All that says is you're not familiar with my Leica comments. Not a surprise.
"And it's totally fine with me that your love affair with Leica remains intact."
You really should read my posts before commenting.
"But you do realize you respond to me as if I've just called your wife fat, ugly, and stupid, right? It's just cameras, RAW... Why don't we just avoid each other?"
Yes, just "cameras", further affirming you don't read my Leica comments.
Photokina now irrelevant. Just click DPreview, then click features, then specifications and there are all the information one needs and save all that money going to Cologne, Germany. hahahahaha. Unfortunately manufacturers are pricing their cameras out of the market. For example how can a bridge camera like Sony RX10 iv cost US$1700 just because it provides a quick AF.??? Its not even a full pledge camera but just a bridge one????
When they lose market share they give away quick AF for free.
I may go visit Photokina next year if more players drop out.
Wonder if Apple signed up ...
Many years ago, when I first became interested in Photography, and before the internet, reporters for camera magazines would attend trade shows and then write about the new stuff that was announced. This is how I became aware of what was going to become available. Now, manufacturers release this information on line pretty much as soon as it's ready for public consumption. In some cases this information is "leaked" in advance. So, I am now aware of new models before any trade show. I would suspect that these shows were mostly for the benefit of reporters who could enlighten the rest of us, but now the rest of us don't seem to need this enlightenment. So, I don't blame Leica or Nikon.
Calculated leaks by camera makers is killing Photokina. The thrill is gone. Who cares about Photokina when camera companies can always request the presence of Chris and Jordan.
DPReview is now the Photokina.
If this is really the beginning of the end of the photography trade show, then that is a shame as far as I'm concerned. They are a great day out and you can learn a ton of stuff that you just can't find out online. You can speak to actual people, touch and feel actual things. Ah well, one more step towards an entirely virtual existence...
Yes, I love camera trade shows. They are a combination of amusement park and toy store for photographers and gear addicts.
I stopped going to the PDN several years ago. I didn't see the value there for me to spend a day with more and more companies every year bailing out of the trade show - especially the ones I was more interested in. No freebies anymore either. The photo industry is under a lot of pressure, and cost is cut wherever possible - so why paying for a huge fee to attend PDN Expo if this will not affect the business much or at all.
You can visit B&H anytime and handle more gear than at PhotoPlus Expo. Workshops and meetings were nice.
Maybe Nikon feels it's wiser to attend CES in Vegas in January, 2020 instead. Because Nikon does state that they'll be there.
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-and-explore/events/h8c3rcgz.h8c3rcgk/consumer-electronics-show-ces.html
Camera shows has become regional.
CES for Northern America.
Photokina for Europe.
CP+ for Asia
Photokina is dead yet. It is just gasping to stay alive. One good thing about CES is across the street of the convention are nudie bars to test out new cameras.
Lol! That would be more like testing out how good your health insurance is! The bouncers would be on you so fast if you pulled out a camera! 😄
Trade shows are disappearing in every industry. They are no longer useful or cost-effective with 21st-Century media and marketing. The camera industry is clearly a follower rather than a leader. Not surprising, when cameras still look like the ones that were made in the 1960s.
Best decision Nikon have made for some time - second only to the eviction of the whole sales/marketing management that presided over N1, Key Mission, and the odd DSLR recall problem etc (or, at least, I believe the whole lot were junked?).
Others have commented on the decline of trade shows in many industries - everyone knows that Nikon exists and the existence of sites like DPR highlighting everything that moves within photography means that if Nikon coughs, the photography world knows about it and if you’re interested, you’ll look.
If it means that Nikon can get the S 24-120 equivalent for my Z6 a month or two earlier, then way-to-go Nikon!
The UK photography show is in March and it’ll be interesting to see if Nikon attend.
(That said, the UK show last March was the one-and-only time I’ve seen and handled the 500mm PF - c’mon Nikon you have to be there in March, I need another branded carry bag from your stand!! 😂)
Now that most of the people who care about stills photography are retired (pensioners), they can't afford to travel to Germany AND buy a camera. Have to pick one or the other.
Well, if you care about Nikon, they'll be at CES in Vegas in January, 2020.
It's not just camera shows that are losing vendors and attendees. When I worked in the factory automation/industrial hardware & software business, we started seeing major players elect not to attend the traditional shows back in the late 1990s due to ridiculously high costs; not only for booth space, but for electrical power, carpeting, lighting, as well as jacked-up rates for hotels and parking. And then there was the requirement to use union labor to transport equipment from trucks, vans, and cars to the booth, at an insanely high rate per "trip". Add lower attendance to the mix, and many of the shows ended up being salesmen talking to salesman. And this is an industry that was booming! I think lower participation was also due to so much information being available on vendor websites.
Your comments are dead on. If I pay our USA based Freeman and their unions another dollar at a trade show, I should be committed to an insane asylum against my will. In the last 31 years companies, I have founded participated in over 75 trade shows (dental, medical, pharmaceutical and dietary supplement). In fact, the biggest dietary supplement and fitness related expo in Europe is held within the same property as Photokina. Here is a simple fact: each event cost between $36-75,000.00 to participate in. Here is another: sales do not increase nor decrease if I walk away. The choice is clear. I will keep my money.
Yes - God help you if a non-union member moves a cardboard box.
So yeah, unions are the problem LOL.
Photokina and other tradeshows are becoming obsolete.
Who still wants to wait half an hour to be able to hold a camera in his hands for about 30 seconds to a minute and which you can't really test for yourself as all the settings have been mixed up by the previous person who had it in his/her hands.
The new 'trade shows' are in shop workshops/events organized by retailers and camera manufacturers were a camera company provides a camera / lens for this special event and that you can loan during the event. The events organized are all aimed to a select target audience that gets invited by the store owner. Often now even divided into photography styles. I have already seen (and attended) events for wedding photographers, special events for sports and action photographers and for landscape and nature photographers.
It is one to one marketing with a much higher conversion rate at a lower cost.
Yes. A lot of responders to this article suggest something may be wrong with Leica, Nikon, or Olympus.
The real story is that Photokina, and other trade shows are losing their relevance.
It used to be that companies built excitement for their product with slick presentations and booths at big shows, passing enthusiasm down to distributors, salesman, and journalists - which then appeared at your local camera store, or in the pages of your favourite camera magazine.
Today, with the internet ... well, you know the rest.
"...opted out of attention the 2020 trade show."
Opted out of attention? Nice writing.
Also, nowhere does this piece say WHERE Photokina is. I assume Germany based on the GmbH reference, but proper journalism requires not assuming your readers know the basic facts.
Yes yes, I can look it up, but the point is I shouldn't have to.
Mentioning 'Germany', being the cradle of photography, would defacto be adding insult to injury.
'Courtesy'....;((
PS: PhotoKina basically killed herself in the past 2-3 years, by going from a bi-annual big event (that you could look forward to, anticipating the 'rare' joy of novelty, luxury & innovation/technology) to a much more boring annual schedule (also shifting from fall to spring).
(and then even cancelling the first annual event, this very spring ('because too close to the last bi-annual one' (read, in that same devastating spirit 'no brand has booked yet'))
Early September 2015 - no digital camera at the huge Samsung IFA booth.
Late November 2015 - Samsung UK confirms NX1 discontinued.
Since than no more Samsung cameras.
Spring 2020 - No Nikon booth at the Photokina 2020.
Fall 2020 - ......
You're kidding right? Samsung sells tons of cameras every day.
They just realized in 2015 they were a main selling feature of their phones.
This has nothing to do with Nikon, Leica or Olympus.
It all has to do with a changing market and reallocation of marketing spendings and how Photokina does not fit any longer in the product release cycles.
And for your information Nikon is still a much profitable company. Turnover may have gone down, but they still are able to make a two digit profit YtoY.
Can you say the same over your savings?
Duncan M: Sorry for my sarcastic tone but I am realy disapointed (don't want to be rude) with Nikon's decision. I live in Europe and Photokina is the only big photography fair I can visit.
Such a fair is not only about cameras but also also about lenses. It used to be a good opportunity to try and "feel" the more and very expansive lenses that are hard to find in the stores.
You could see and try how responsive the lens was how balanced it was with your camera and other things.
Sure Tony checks the camera, he maybe takes a picture of his wall, sells you his book or Squerespace but does not tell how you how YOU will feel a camera+lens combo.
And for your information Sony Playstation didn't attend E3. As if that would confirm things are not going well with Sony.... Really how silly.
For more or less the same reasons camera companies now seek new opportunities to get a one to one connection with its customers. It is all about conversion rates vs costs to be made.
Strolling around at a tradeshow and see much stuff you don't need...
Being asked for an event that suits your style of photography and that you truly gives you the opportunity to test out this new equipment...
I for sure know the answer to which event I would rather lik to go to.
Here a good read why trade shows are becomming obsolete and why Sony Playstation didn't attend the biggest and most important game show in the world
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-was-not-at-e3-2019-heres-why-playstation-skip/1100-6467178/
But Sony goes to Photokina dude. And did I say anything about bankrupsy? It's just your fear. You could have continued: Fall 2020 - Nikon got a Camera of the year award.
Calling names and starting to shout to try to make somebody look foolish is a sign of weakness as you can't win with arguments.
You don't even understand how this markt works and why companies can make different decisions. Fact that Sony attends has nothing to do with the decision made by Nikon. Its another choice they are making.
There can be valid reasons to go, and there can be valid reasons to skip such exhibition, but you just don't seem to understand that one can make a different decision.
The real reason this is happening is the contraction of the whole market for all camera makers. And going from every other year to every year was really dumb.
And if you think not going is because the camera makers are not doing well compared to the competition, just remember Apple quit doing their own Mac World because they no longer need trade shows for people to learn about their products. And how are they doing? Financially better than any other computer/phone company. They control 85 percent of the phone profits, and their control over 90 percent of the profits for computers over $1,000. (They don't sell any in the other category that are new).
Yes, bi-annual killed it.
Mind you, PhotoKina already killed it's very first bi-annual schedule, last spring.
So next spring would be the next decisive event, for everyone involved....or, indeed, not involved.
(see also my initial/earlier reaction:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/5156319153/confirmed-leica-nikon-and-olympus-won-t-be-attending-photokina-2020?comment=8115161526
When nikon was there
What did he do for example and What was he doing??
PDAF Banding problem
It's better not to be Nikon
Bad cameras?
Focus problem? and the banding issues, Sony and Canon have have also had the same issues.
So perhaps the shutter and stabilizer issues are valid, although the stabilizer thing seems to only affect a certain number that we know of at this point.
Quite frankly we could also make a decent sized list as to Wny Sony cameras are bad, or Canon cameras...
Sony’s stabilizing problems are per design and not an error
I am not surprise for Nikon and Leica but way Olympus? Nikon have to hide from public, special after creating the cameras and adjust (the cameras), to not let you have the picture. Just to give you little explanation; Any P&S camera will highly out-perform Nikon 3000 & 5000 series.. I know it is hard to believe...but I unfortunately experience it. And if it is true the Nikon is the biggest rip-of company among camera manufactures..How they going to explain it to public? I was planing to go and demonstrate to them. So I can bet that Nikon will avoid trade shows in the future.. Also I was going to ask Nikon to return my money.. Now I have to get them (Nikon), somewhere else. Leica will have to answer how com there cameras and lenses are so expensive and quality is little above average... So I am not surprise for there absence, but way Olympus? They are constantly better and better...
Just checked Nikon D5000 flickr sample shots. Nothing really special but nothing that bad either. You can't get those car shots in focus with P&S.
https://www.flickr.com/groups/1052812@N25/pool/with/45673714594/
Remember it is alway person behind camera taking great or super average shots no matter gear he/she uses.
Not a credible comment. Nikon makes as good stuff as anybody, and many of Leica's lenses are way better if you know what you're doing.
Olympus seems to be getting behind the times and in particular, behind their biggest rival, Panasonic in the m43 market. Panasonic keeps releasing new bodies and even venturing into FF, but Olympus, I don't think they've released much lately (much of great significance at least).
Not bashing Olympus, as I shot with a OM-D E10 M2 for a while for a trip and liked it, but we just haven't seen to o much from Olympus these days.
I'm not sure what the OP is even talking about? Nikon having to hide from the public because some of their DSLRs supposedly are worse than any P&S camera, and Leica trying to avoid questions about the pricing of its products?
OMG... Equating PNS cameras with DSLRs... And NIKON is the biggest ripoff camera company??? Lol, even more ridiculous is that we're actually wasting time responding to this lunacy... 🙄
You gays need to use Nikon 3000 & 5000 series to understand what I am talking. At very first I did not know about idiotically contracted Nikon's series 3000 & 5000 cameras. It look like that imbecile made it. I can not believe that anybody in there right mind will design camera and purposely dis aloud camera to take the picture. Do you hear me. I have dozen example that do not belong to camera..minimum dozenth. I am over 45 years passionate photographer, working with all camera in this world (had two 4x5, one 8x10, and numerous 35 mm. Nikon was my main camera where I had probably dozen of Nikon, Olympus Canon and Pentax. Also I had for a wile Mamia 6x7 and two Haselblad (of course). I develop all my black & white negatives where I also have darkroom with one 4x5 (bestseller) enlarger one Durst 6x6, and one Durst 35mm. I would say that I am photographer with knowledge and experience. So I do know what I am talking....period.
I have a Nikon D3300 and D5300, among many other superior cameras. And they straight-up take exceptional photos. Period. Drastically superior to PNS cameras, which i also own many of.
That's fine and dandy that you've shot medium and large format film. And frankly i respect that you pay attention to the photographic process that those formats require.
But I'm sorry. There is no comparison between image quality from APS-C ILCs and PNS cameras. Don't forget that you keep mentioning bodies. But as a large format photographer you understand the glass is critical. I can put a $15,000 lens on a D3300 if i so choose. Not possible with any PNS.
@eMTi For a beginner or parent/grandparent, the D3000/D5000 line serves a purpose. My first camera was a D5100, then a D5200 (minor update) before moving to FF and getting serious. But the D5000 was affordable but had the features I needed to learn about photography. In hindsight, I wish I didn't sell my D5200... It had great DR (at the time at least and still does compared to some of the other mid-range APS-C bodies),it was very small and light, and probably could have handled everything I do today. For the money, the D3000 series is a good value (same with the Canon Rebel series).
You have made it very clear that you don't like Nikon & that's fine--That's your opinion. I'm not a fan of Sony, but I do acknowledge that they do have some great cameras, as does Canon. You may have 45 years of experience but this is just a forum. Anyone could claim they have 45 years of experience on here and the majority would probably believe them. I'm not doubting you but keep that in mind.
Australia doesn't even have motoring shows anymore. The costs are prohibitive and they weren't getting increased sales to make it worse. Similar things happening here, extortionate costs and no reward. We can learn far more about a camera from the net without battling hordes of tyre kickers and time wasters and paying for the privilege to do so.
The same thing happened in the US with scuba diving shows, like DEMA. They're no longer useful or profitable, the companies are better off allocating their funds towards internet/social media outlets.
Same with the luxury watch trade shows
Leica? Lol, who cares that they're not there. They haven't made anything worth showing forever.
Olympus is pretty surprising! I figured they'd love to show off the EM1X and 40-150mm f2.8 Pro. Maybe not as impressive as they want us to think?
Nikon's got nothing new to show. Nobody cares about the current Z bodies. No D6 or Z8/Z9 (maybe Z1?) or APS-C Z body... No point going.
Meh, it's been a crappy year for photo gear, except maybe for Sony.
The show is in a year not now!
Lol, d'oh! 😄
Meh, my Leica statement holds for every year.
But I'd be surprised if Nikon's got nothing impressive to show off by May! Like probably both the D6 AND the 120-300mm f2.8E. And probably a sports Z, and maybe an APS-C Z. Yeah, weird Nikon won't be there in 2020.
But knowing Nikon's wacky marketing lately, this could very well just be another publicity stunt, and Nikon wil actually show.
Meh, well see...
Mmm I see you are stupid as well as opinionated!
So, ... what have you done worthwhile?
Iv'e never seen a statue erected to a critic!
"Leica? Lol, who cares that they're not there. They haven't made anything worth showing forever."
So you've not heard of the Q, the Q2, the XU, the TL2, the CL, the M10, the M9, the S Typ 007, and the SL? Lotta lenses too.
"Nikon's got nothing new to show. Nobody cares about the current Z bodies."
Yet, they're excellent bodies, and I'm starting to see them on the street.
"Olympus is pretty surprising! I figured they'd love to show off the EM1X and 40-150mm f2.8 Pro. Maybe not as impressive as they want us to think?"
Excellent body, doesn't have the D5's AF, and an excellent lens.
"Meh, it's been a crappy year for photo gear, except maybe for Sony."
Sony has introduced 1 interesting camera (A7RIV) in 2019. And Sony couldn't be bothered to fix the optics of the RX100 VI before shipping its replacement.
You seem to have "forgotten" the Panasonic S1 and S1R, also the S 50mm and 24-70mm f/2.8.
You "forgot" the Hasselblad X 80mm lens.
Then you "forgot" Fuji GFX-100.
@ABM Barry:
"So, ... what have [I] done worthwhile?"
Well, photographically just here at DPR, I've placed way better in the Challenges than you have. And that's just me almost randomly grabbing pix that meet the criteria, as i don't have a filing/tagging/organization system for my photos.
In my profession i routinely win prestigious panel-judged trade awards that place me in the top 0.5% of my professional peers because of work i do that really changes people's lives. Because i routinely find or create obscure solutions to complex serious problems.
I also help local legislators craft legislation particularly regarding medical cannabis and affordable housing.
Oops, too late to edit my previous post. But that should have read top 0.15%. Anyhoo...
Against my better judgment, I'll make a brief statement about Leica and then I'll leave it at that. NO body Leica makes impresses me. You know this about me, and you've heard me say it many many times. The Q and Q2 are silly novelty cameras to me. They look cool, I'll give them that. The ONLY thing that occasionally impresses me about Leica are the lenses. And you know all this about me already. Why antagonize? Again?
Yeah, I know about all else you mentioned. I even gave real thought to getting an S1R, but then poor AF...
Whatever about Blad and the GFX line.
Anyhow, that's all I have to say in response to your post. Good night.
"NO body Leica makes impresses me."
Okay, you can have that opinion. It suggests you've not handled Leica bodies though.
And I, and many others, disagree with you based on having tried the bodes + lenses.
"The Q and Q2 are silly novelty cameras to me. "
Yet they sell quite well, have excellent IQ (provided later firmware for the Q1) and have excellent ergonomics.
That you don't like the Q is fine, but that's just you.
"Whatever about Blad and the GFX line."
So you've dismissed a major lens from Hasselblad (Nittoh) and a major body.
"Yeah, I know about all else you mentioned. I even gave real thought to getting an S1R, but then poor AF."
So? AF is hardly the entirety of the camera body, some bodies don't even have AF, but you dismissed both the [Panasonic] S and S1R.
If AF is important for you, then get a Nikon D5. (No, the Sony A9 isn't worth it even with the excellent FW 5 AF, since the body is an ergonomic mess.)
olympics, guys. nothing to worry about..
This type of show was more relevant when companies used them as floors to launch new photo gear. These days, companies organize their own events, to which they invite several well know photographers to provide first glimpse/try outs.
And when Leica, a German company, bails out, it is significant.
Cologne has over a million inhabitants and is part of the most densely populated region in Western Europe. Belgium, the Netherlands, the Ruhr area, Rhine-Main etc. can be reached by car in less than two hours. Cologne has its own airport (15 min from the venue), Düsseldorf and Frankfurt airports are both less than an hour away. Cologne is one of the media and arts hotspots in Europe. So the location is fine. Nikon, Leica and Co. may have come to the same result as many in the in the car industry currently. The benefit no longer justifies the expense and there are excellent alternative presentation platforms today. One of them is DPReview. It´s certainly regrettable, but the concept of primarily showing new products is no longer viable.
Two spelling mistakes in the first two paragraphs! do you guys guys never spell check anything or is the computer making us illiterate?
They need to change the location of the tradeshow, better somewhere with much larger population. Adding the travel cost plus the entrance fee, it is really not worth the effort for normal customers to drop by.
Funny because the Ruhr area is one of the most dense populated areas in Europe. It has nothing to do with population, but with Photokina organization having made the wrong decision over when and how often this trade show needs to take place.
The first thing they got wrong is the fact that Photokina will be a yearly event while the camera branche is suffering and in decline. The costs of such tradeshow for camera manufacturers is a BIG expense for little gain in publicity.
Secondly the timing. From going from the September time slot to May it is just plain wrong in the product introduction cycles.
It takes away the opportunity for manufacturers to introduce new models and gear for the thanksgiving/holiday season.
Camera manufacturers will shift their exhibition to IFA as that still fits in the september timeframe and introduction cycles.
Thirdly shop events and workshops are the new tradeshows.
Photokina management just made a foolish business descision that now works against them
Mind you, they already cancelled the very first bi-annual event, last spring.
See also my earlier reaction:
Mind you #2:
This same management is (at least was) running (cooperation/subsidiaries) many other exhibition shows & centers worldwide (as far as China, IIRC).
IOW: I hope they are less dumb abroad, otherwise this is going to be one hell of a bankruptcy.
Nikon could do 100x better by just starting to host Sony Kando type events; the current generation of customers responds far better to that social "tribe" style of marketing. Photokina is likely a dated, poor ROI anyways...
What was the Kando event? Instagram was full of it but what was it?
It's a weird combination of workshop, convention, and casual retreat for content creation plus creative exploration.
Maybe it shows how important Europe is for those big 3. Although they attend every show in the US or Asia they miss out on the most important european show... Think about it that prices for cameras and lenses are higher in Eirope too.
Europe is very important as it is an even bigger market than the US ;)
Price is not really higher also. The price looks higher because as by law we need to tell people the price including VAT where in some other areas the price is most often advertised without VAT.
Duncan M, a valid point about VAT. When I look at US prices and those in the UK, the US price always looks advantageous until VAT is factored into the equation. However, it is known that manufacturers do practice differential pricing by geographic region and we need to take this into account as well.
The population of the EU is greater than the US, but does the average EU citizen have the same purchasing power as the average American? I don't know, just asking.
In the US there is no VAT. There are state sales taxes which are in the 5-8% range, people are accustomed to figuring that in.
What is VAT in the US? We have sales tax in most states but not VAT. There are also many ways of avoiding the state sales tax although it is becoming increasingly more difficult due to decisions by the Supreme Court.
jxh, bardick. VAT= Value Added Tax. I'd like 5-8%. In the UK, most products are taxed at 20%.
In Sweden the VAT is 25%
Is that linked youtube video only 480p? Or is that just some bug?
If so, it would be a telling sign of the times haha. Photokina still making video for 25hz PAL standard televisions lol. Where's my 4k in 30fps???
No No. Everybody shoot 24fps.
It's the new standart. Don't you know.
People can't live without it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of trade shows to put retail store buyers together with sellers so they can make deals for their upcoming year? At other non-camera shows I've attended, they let the public in but grudgingly.
And isn't publicizing new cameras a sideshow at these events? Usually there's a press day beforehand and afterward the media is pushed aside so the reps can get down to the real work of selling their cameras to the people who buy 100 or 1000 at a time.
In the pre-internet era this kind of event was critical for people to assess the breadth of a market.
That's no longer needed so much.
This is true; a trade-show with many 'back-room' dealings, also press-events.
(so that's basically catering for 3 types of clients; retail, press, customers)
The ones I trust to survive in this market will attend..
I wonder if Zeiss will show (again) another prototype of their full frame digital camera, the Z-something that presented last September... or maybe will be another fiasco like the Nikon DL.
Zeiss was probably just testing the waters but this ugly brick did not get too much attention.
I know, they showed it exactly one year ago and since then nothing... Probably will never see the light.
In the modern online market these shows are becoming less and less important. YouTube influencers alone get the message out more than this one show does and it cost the companies very little money. Buy a few airfares and rooms and some booze and Tony will say whatever you want.
That is the real issue indeed, and we see exactly the same challenges for the majority of the global trade shows that ruled the marketing agenda last century, across all industries.
From a B2B perspective though, having most of your suppliers and business clients under the same roof for a few days can be a cost effective way of speed dating and pitching distribution contracts, incentives, etc.
What sends the costs sky rocketing is the expectation to also wow consumers on a global scale with the size and animation intensity of booths. Makes no sense anymore.
On the other hand, there are plenty of smaller decentralised, regional, B2C shows around the world that allow direct hands-on interaction with consumers (and local follow-ups) at a fraction of the costs of global events. Wonder if they face the same downturn.
For the rest, I agree that youtubers and instagramers are mostly advertisers mascarading as journalists. They are not held by any deontology rules whatsoever.
yet every photo youtuber is first to attend any big event, like photokina is. tradeshows are important, it makes manufactures pushed forward etc.
what i think, reason for so many japan brand skipping the show, is maybe tokyo olympics in 2020, where they will use that for their promotions, new camera reveals etc.
I don't trust youtube influencers, many of whom are paid to promote a product.
That's why your voice can not influence any people or any [camera] company. Almost no one pays attention to your opinion ..
Why waste time and money when you don't have anything to show for it? I think they all made a wise decision.
1. You spend several hours from the airport to reach the place of venue
2. You stroll around carrying all your luggage,
3. Wait on average 30 mins in front of each booth to touch a camera for 20 seconds, elbowing your way through.
4. You collect bags and papers everyone is handing and can't wait to eat something.
5. You spend more time in the restaurant and the restroom than in front of all booths together.
6. In the afternoon, you travel home exhausted, consolidating your misery looking at all advertising catalogues you collected.
Boy, what a great experience.
Nothing like any trade show I've ever been to. And I don't just go to photogear shows.
However for two of the trade shows I attend, usually annually, I know where the good cheap food is nearby, as in a quick walk.
Specific to photogear shows, I've never had to spend more than about 7 minutes waiting to handle gear. And those 7 minutes waits were really unusual.
I try not to collect things, unless it's my cool 10X magnifier (or another plastic Zeiss labeled calipers) both things I picked up at my last trade show early in the summer of 2019.
Yeah exactly how I feel about trade shows haha. I think more than the camera business, trade shows are becoming a thing of the past.
I also wouldn't be surprised that the organizers are killing their own market by racketing up prices for booths.
And building a booth that looks great is a multi million dollar enterprise as well.
Meanwhile a good presentation on the internet has become much more important. It's global single markets not a local trade show.
And when manufacturers do have something new to show outfits like dpreview are more than happy to come to a proper presentation. Even flying them all in first class in nice hotels must be much cheaper than a trade show. We all know how dpreview staff gets spoiled and pampered at these sony events it's no wonder that (just kidding lol)
But there isn't really a huge need for a trade show like that anymore.
I used to go to trade shows at that venue for a different trade. I would go straight to my hotel and leave my bags there before going to the show.
I had previously got a copy of the layout and brand locations within the show and I had appointments made in advance for the major brands planned on the basis of arranging all appointments to follow each other within a single hall. Vendors were asked to send copies of catalogues to my office.
Keep some time free for each hall for a wander.
plenty of places to eat in the show
On arriving at the show on my last day there I booked in for my return flight including leaving my luggage to be dealt with.
All quite stress free.
You cannot imagine what it like to be on the inside of the booth when the doors open and the "herd charges in".
1) The first question all ask "what are you giving away for free".
2) Ask folks which of our products that have used within the last 12 months "95% say "not one, just looking".
3) Ask attendees which of our products are you likely to purchase within 90 days of the expo's completion? The response? 99% of the time: A competitors. Oh..Ok.
4) Answer the same question so many times that the only way to get it out of your head is to get bombed every night with the other shell shocked execs.
5) Upon returning home having to listen to your wife rag about how you get to "see the world" while she is home stuck with the kids and you are still trying to figure out why you were strip searched by German airport security simply because you had 8 mini bar shooters of Jaegermeister in your various pant, shirt and jacket pockets. Not to mention you paid 50K for the whole thing.
Comdex (1979 to 2003.) is gone. The Photo Marketing Association show (1979-2012) is now a very small part of the Consumer Electronics Show. Which has changed a lot—Consumer Tchotchke, Doodzd and Geegaw Show is now a better name.
A large number of Tchotchke, Doodad and Geegaw vendors may be what's killing Photokina.
$15,000-$30,000 (plus people's time) for a booth at a high-profile trade show, most of which are there to preach to the already converted so the gains are minimal.
Those dollar amounts are low, unless you mean a tiny booth, like the size a a phonebooth--less than a meter square if you don't follow the reference.
As for Photokina, make it 150,000 and 300,000 dollars for a booth and often even more (up to a million dollars is no exception) excluding overnight stay for all the people that have to work at the booth. They need dinners and drinks as well.
Then there is also a good party for the brand ambassadors, as for the second night a good party for the biggest retailers and another party and dinner for the most important press and influencers. All the different country/area managers will need to do the same for their local target audience.
Making up for a multi-million dollars marketing budget for a single event that's just a single week.
We are talking big money spending for little gain when we are talking about trade shows these days.
It *used* to be a full week (press-Monday included); Sunday being somewhat split by coinciding with a very large second hand fair[*].
In 2016 it was already 1 day less, 2018 again; the next new/bi-annual one would be 1 less again, so only 3-4 days left.
Which, *if* the same floor-space would still be occupied, is too short, to walk all the halls, isles and boots, at leisure pace (often finding the real marvels/novelties in small last-minute boots, by vendors from far away, having scraping both money & last-minute production samples)
[*] said second hand camera fair moved from a hall in the center of the city to a baffling remote location, also being decimated in size....another branche dying, mostly senior sellers, hardly any youngsters....
It would be a shame if this tradition ended...but I can see why.
Before the internet, social media, etc...trade shows served the purpose of being the avenue to get word out to the press, retailers, etc. about your new products. Nikon might show off a new camera, a journalist from a photo magazine would publish a feature on it the next month, and buyers from major retailers would get a look at it and decide how many they wanted to order.
But now any company can stage their own announcement and word gets out instantly. The camera companies even fly in social media influencers to interesting locales for their announcements. In today's world we even have rumors and leaks that gain more exposure than the companies ever could have dreamed off in the quaint old day when trade shows mattered.
So the methods of communication have changed and the media gatekeepers have changed. But even though trade shows are no longer necessary, I still would like them to stick around for tradition.
With the demise of Brick & Mortar Stores, there isn't much need for trade shows. The American Booksellers Association (ABA) show filled the Anaheim Convention Center—now it's gone.
The tastes of the young demographic changes too. Now ComicCon is a place to promote movies, comic books not-so-much. Cosplayers abound at ComicCon.
It's not that these camera companies are having big problems. It's just not worth spending 6, 7-digit money setting up a booth in an event like this when the return of investment is not there.
For Leica, photokina is held in their neighborhood, and they still snubbed it. People walk into these events for sight seeing and meeting people but are not buying anything. Why would you buy a product at full recommended retail pricing there, when you can find better deals from time to time online or at your nearest camera store?
Things are just going to get worse for events like these with a shrinking photo industry. Nobody buys a new camera every year, and usually full frames don't get a successor model every year. Meanwhile the compacts which often get a new model every year, people aren't buying them anymore because they felt their phones are good enough.
"Why would you buy a product at full recommended retail pricing there, when you can find better deals from time to time online or at your nearest camera store?"
I think you hit the nail on the head there. If there was an expectation of picking up a bargain, photogs would be flocking.
International Tradeshows aren't really garnered towards bargain hunting retail costumers. They are hardly any camera retail stores left who were the proper audience of these shows.
I wouldn't want to see Nikon follow Kodak and rather hope it will follow Minolta (namely, will also be acquired by SONY)
Rugged body with pro support worldwide?
I rather hope that Nikon will continue as an independent manufacturer. Why would you want them to be swallowed up by another company?
sony gobbling up nikon would be the tragedy of the decade
KonicaMinolta is a still a real company, it just doesn't produce consumer cameras and lenses any longer.
Also Nikon isn't bankrupt; it makes money. Not a fortune.
I think you have the wrong end of the stick. This action implies nothing about the manufacturer. It implies failure of the event.
This is mostly about Photokina being now every year ... which is a nonsense in a schrinking market.
Purchase of Nikon by Sony would truly be tragic. Sony will leave the camera business as soon as there is no serious profit in it. They did it with phones, they did it with computers, they did it with high-end audio equipment. Leica and Nikon are photo-centric companies and when this becomes a niche business we can only hope they will still remain here to cater to the minority.
Sony already swallowed Minolta, so why not Nikon?....8-))
Also, the good part of being Japanese is that it won't be swallowed by any Chinese company soon....8-))
(hello Kodak!)
Revenant, HowaboutRAW: my point of the comparison exactly. Nikon, like Minolta, has other lines of business outside photo cameras and lenses - which are more profitable and not suffering from the camera sector's systemic pressure. Like Minolta, Nikon may choose to off-load the camera business.
cosinaphile, lancet: Minolta has had, for decades, wonderful innovative cameras and lenses, but no budget to scale them up in a manner that would result in a positive feedback loop (more gear - more sales - more innovation - more demand). Rather, they were circling the drain with the quirky and brilliant engineering saving the day in spite of budgets falling behind and creating more and more handicap for the brand. SONY has given their camera designs (AND their entire camera division's workforce) a new home and the results speak for themselves.
Would I prefer an independent, strong, innovating Nikon to being acquired by SONY? Yes.
But better acquired while they still have institutional culture and strength, than ridden into the ground like so many hollow camera brands of years past that have not merely lost their qualified people to make anything, they lost their qualified people to dream. Think Kodak, Contax; think PanAm. I wouldn't want Nikon to become a hollow token like that.
alex minolta made a few expensive bets that didnt pay off and got into messy litigation ... and sent it over the edge
had they survived on their own , ive no doubt they would be the behemoth sony is now
olympus almost went down too
sony didnt do that much on their own ... minoltas was an af digital powerhouse when sony acquired them
cosinaphile Minolta has not had the resources to challenge Canon and Nikon - even before the lawsuit they were languishing, relatively speaking, as a distant, quirky 3rd choice. There's absolutely no denying that SONY's brand oomph and financial backing has given Minolta folks the backing they needed to take MORE risks and win.
to me there is no doubt sony would be nothing in the digital camera space without the acquisition of minoltas ........."quirky" technology and portfolio
There is no more Minolta in Sony. The last true Minolta was the Sony A900 and a truly great that camera was. The alpha SLT cameras still had some of it in them, but Minolta would have never designed a body as ergonomically bad as the A7II, III and IV variants.
had minolta survived small digital descendants of this camera would have defined enthusiast compacts
https://sunrise-camera.com/product/minolta-tc-1-black-70th-anni-limited-93/
not the sony rx 100[x]
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minolta_TC-1#/media/Datei:Minolta_TC-1_Lens_(4393908958).jpg
" my point of the comparison exactly. Nikon, like Minolta, has other lines of business outside photo cameras and lenses - which are more profitable and not suffering from the camera sector's systemic pressure."
Nikon doesn't have huge lines of profit outside of cameras and lenses. Perhaps chip steppers.
Canon has a huge non-camera/lens business.
Olympus almost going under had nothing to do with consumer cameras. It was outright fraud, hidden for 20 years.
And Olympus makes its money from medical imaging, especially endoscopes.
lancet I love A900. I am still operating two of them, w/vertical grips. I even have cute A900-shaped USB sticks (the "body" is the USB cap, and the "lens" is the USB stick that mounts on it). Those cameras don't know the meaning of the words "lock up", "reboot" or "not work". Just perfect.
But I got the A7III for the 4K video, and I like it plenty. Without the grip it's great on a slider and in other filming rigs. With the grip the ergonomics, to me, are very usable. Not worse than Nikon D800 in which I'd dabbled. Try setting up exposure bracketing on that thing. Being able to use my Minolta MD shift vfc lens and Nikon tilt-shift and Peleng fisheye on the A7III- is just wonderful. I love the adaptability of the mount. Ergonomics - to me at least - are workable. The important thing is what I can do with it.
The imminent demise of Olympus is greatly exaggerated. Olympus is a profitable business but it's camera business is not a key profit centre. It constitutes only 7.7% of the business. The remainder is largely medical but image related medical such as imaging diagnostics and microscopes. Its camera business is regarded as a critical adjunct to its medical business. There are synergies and complementarities between the two such as shared imaging R&D. There is also Olympus's long standing high profile in the photographic world which I would expect is essential in marketing its medical imaging equipment. The closure of the Olympus camera business for a second time may well hurt the company more in its medical business than it would save in its camera business. This is the gist of what I get from CEO pronouncements.
had they gone under it would have everything to do with consumer cameras
whether by fraud of poor decisions many camera makers are being pinched
[by cell phones ]
for the record nikon make a wide array of products not just cameras
for industry and constriuction
X-ray/CT Inspection Systems
Digital Micrometer System 'Digimicro'
as well as stuff for
IC Chips / Electronics
Machinery / Heavy Industry / Construction
Automotive / Aviation / Space Exploration
Resources / Energy / Materials
Hence the reason for my original comment, cosinaphile. Does this look similar?
But how much revenue do those non-consumer camera lines generate for Nikon? Do those sales account for say a third of Nikon's net per year?
Olympus' primary business is NOT consumer cameras, and it wasn't 20+ years ago when the fraud occurred. Therefore had Olympus gone under because of the fraud, the disappearance would have had little relation to consumer cameras--except that the Oly lines of cameras would be gone.
that is a great page .... lets visit again soon
The Photokina is from 27 to 30 May whereas 24 July to 9 August 2020 is Summer Olympic in Tokyo, I guess Nikon wants to keep the D6 under wrap till then.
By May Nikon will have already announced their D6, shown it off to the media and pro photographers, and shipped the first copies.
The whole point of not attending Photokina is that Nikon doesn't need it to publicize cameras like the D6. Nikon can announce at any time and word will spread rapidly and the photographic community will take notice. They'll probably fly journalists and influencers to a special location for a shoot with the new camera.
They have already announced it - samples possibly being field tested right now. However I notice that Nikon is not listed as an Olympic Partner, only Canon and Panasonic. I suppose with a price tag of $120 million Nikon can not afford to.
As if Nikon is dependent upon Photokina.
No sir they are NOT!
The target audience for tradeshows - even Photokina - has always been retailers buying large quantities of certain products. It has turned out to become a consumer electronics show over the past few years.
In these years, manufactures feel the cost to participate in such an exhibition is increasing and they think the margin to the organizer is getting higher and higher, while the market of the camera is not expanding.
They have various ways to express new or advance technology with less cost by their proper timing these days.
I think this is one of the reasons why some manufacturers will not participate in the Photokina.

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The 'grubby details' of Alex Nation and Richie Strahan's breakup | Daily Mail Online
'Dark times, financial struggles and the return of an ex': The 'grubby details' of Alex Nation and Richie Strahan's breakup is laid bare as they are set to face off over their split on Bachelor In Paradise
Published: 18:02 EST, 17 March 2019 | Updated: 05:18 EST, 18 March 2019
Details of The Bachelor's Alex Nation and Richie Strahan's messy breakup are set to be aired in the upcoming new series of Bachelor In Paradise.
And now new information about the former couple's split has come to light ahead of the show's premiere.
According to New Idea magazine, health problems, financial struggles and the return of Alex's ex-boyfriend all contributed to their relationship breakdown.
'Dark times, financial struggles and the return of an ex': The 'grubby details' of Alex Nation and Richie Strahan's breakup is laid bare as they are set to face off over their break up on Bachelor In Paradise
The publication claims that after the duo did long distance for five months (Alex was living in Melbourne and Richie was based in his hometown Perth for work), the mother-of-one pleaded with her beau to move to Melbourne to support her through a difficult period in her life.
New Idea alleges that Alex was 'going through some dark times and a medical complication', but rope technician Richie was experiencing 'financial issues' after an injury prevented him from working.
The magazine claims he was reluctant to fly over the Melbourne unless it was for public appearances with Alex.
'She was lonely and going through some tough times. She wanted Richie by her side and for them to be a family but he didn't want to keep spending money on flights unless they were getting paid for it,' a 'friend' allegedly told the publication.
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The final nail in the coffin was allegedly when Alex got in contact with her ex-boyfriend, Tom Barbour, for support.
While absolutely nothing happened between the pair, Richie was not happy.
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'It sealed their fate, really, and they never saw each other again after that.'
Alex and Richie fell in love on The Bachelor in 2016, only to devastatingly part ways months later.
And Bachelor in Paradise fans were treated to a sneak peek of their dramatic showdown as they reunite in the upcoming season.
In a brief promo clip released on Sunday, Richie, 33, explains in a voiceover: 'The circumstances of our break-up were quite brutal.'
Discussing the relationship with host Osher Gunsberg, Richie says, 'I don't know if Australia is ready for the grubby details surrounding it.'
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Discussing the relationship with host, Osher Gunsberg, Richie says, 'I don't know if Australia is ready for the grubby details surrounding it'
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Colombian president says he will donate peace prize money to war victims
Colombia's President Juan Manuel Santos at the presidential palace in Bogota, Colombia, Friday, Oct. 7, 2016. (ap)
BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) – President Juan Manuel Santos says he'll donate almost $1 million in Nobel Peace Prize money to the victims of Colombia's half-century conflict.
Santos made the announcement Sunday during a visit with his family and top government officials to an impoverished town in western Colombia where dozens of people were killed while stranded in a church during an intense battle between leftist rebels and far-right militias.
He promised the residents of Bojaya that he won't give up on securing peace with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia despite voters' rejection of a deal with the guerrillas in a referendum a week ago. More than 96 percent of residents of Bojaya voted for the peace deal.
"You symbolize the suffering of the victims of 52 years of war and are at the center of the solution to this conflict," a visibly moved Santos told the crowd. "The victims have taught me that the capacity to forgive can overcome hatred and rancor."
Of the 81 Colombian municipalities hardest-hit by the conflict, 67 voted for the peace deal, according to the Bogota-based Peace and Reconciliation Foundation.
Santos was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday less than a week after the peace accord was shot down in a vote that even surprised government opponents. Polls taken before the referendum showed the "yes" vote winning by an almost two-to-one margin after Santos and FARC leader Timochenko signed the 297-page accord in front of world leaders six days earlier.
"I'm not going to falter a single minute. I'm not going to give up a single second" in the search for peace, he said.
Santos said the donated money would be channeled to infrastructure projects in conflict areas and to victims' groups.
FARC leaders have twice visited Bojaya to ask forgiveness and discuss with community leaders actions to help the town rebuild.
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Eskimos and Explorers book by Wendell H Oswalt | 1 available editions | Alibris Books
This second edition of Eskimos and Explorers has been fully updated and features the most recent information on the cultures and histories of Native people in Alaska, northern Canada, and Greenland. Read More
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ISBN-13: 9780803286139
1979, Chandler & Sharp
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9780099478317: Slaughterhouse: Bosnia and the failure of the west - AbeBooks - Rieff, David: 0099478315
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Book Description Vintage / Random House, London, 1995. Paperback, very good condition. 240 pp. Bosnians had great expectations of the post-Communist era in Eastern Europe. They already had a consumer culture, fuelled by tourism. But when the Yugoslavian state collapsed, Bosnia fell with it. In 1991 the world stood by, for the third time in 20th-century Europe, a small minority - the Muslims of Bosnia - suffered genocide. Rieff went to Sarajevo and reported the failure of the West and the United Nations to stop the war. Bookseller Inventory # 13742

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Posted Oct 23, 2016 Saubere Zimmer und ein überaus freundlicher und persönlicher Empfang, top!
Posted Oct 22, 2016 Although advertised as an airport hotel, it's a long way from the airport and definitely too far from the centre. Hotel offers a shuttle service but you have to pay for it. Breakfast was disappointing. Make sure you take your slippers with you, as the carpet is very grubby.
Very nice staff in an updated clean hotel
Posted Oct 16, 2016 Location: National botanic garden .
Very pleasant staff in an updated facility. We stayed twice in our recent trip to Ireland.Convenient for public transit.It is not a 5 star or 4 diamond facility but neither are the prices. Great value in a comfortable facility.Nice full Irish breakfast.If you are looking for north american style room service after hours well that is not available.Modest meals in restaurant.Nothing close by within walking distance .We will be back next year.
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Airport Hotel with no shuttle to airport Posted Oct 14, 2016 Location: Far from airport and no way to get there except unscrupulous Dublin cabbies.
Airport hotel with no shuttle to airport except given hours. Expedia should tell customers that they must make sure they mention Travelodge South. We were taken to another travelodge, where they said they cabbies do it on purpose. Had to pay another 20 euros to right Travelodge. No luggage carts, very self service operation, they did call me a cab after I got beat out of their shuttle. 4 out of 5
Perfektes Hotel für Städte-Kurztrip Posted Oct 12, 2016 4 Hotelnächte für Kurztrip gwbucht. 10 Taximin. vom Airport entfernt. 25 Busmin. von City entfernt. Bushaltestelle und Supermarkt vor der Tür. Sehr nettes frdl. Hotelteam, unkompliziertes Nachbuchen des irischen Frühstücks. Frische Handtücher in ausreichender Anzahl, bequeme Betten. Die nächtlichen Geräusche der Straße konnte man umgehen, wenn man das Fenster schließt. Keine Klimaanlage in den Zimmern empfinde ich als sehr positiv.
Fine for a night before an early flight
Posted Oct 11, 2016 Location: We went to the botanical gardens that were a 10 minute drive from the hotel. No restaurants close by. About 10-15 minute drive from the airport.
The hotel itself was great. You can tell it is relatively new, as everything is still pretty fresh. The front desk clerk was very nice, super helpful. We were travelling with our 8 month old baby, and the hotel supplied us with a playpen. Parking was an underground garage, great.
The hotel was not close to any dining options. They front desk clerk told me husband we would basically have to go into dublin city centre for something to eat. The hotel lobby had a restaurant in it. The food wasn't that appealing to us, and the waiter was a bit pushy trying to encourage us (and overheard from the tables around) to have the three course daily special. We ended up ordering a pizza and taking it up to our room, it was exactly what you would expect from a pepperoni pizza, totally fine!
Posted Oct 10, 2016 The internet went down and did not work the entire time we were there. There was no air conditioning on the room and no am entities. 4 out of 5
Posted Oct 10, 2016 Pros: Large Comfortable Room - Very Clean - Free Secure Parking
Cons: No complaints at all about this hotel........................................................................................
Convenient location in a residential area
Posted Oct 8, 2016 Pros: Helpful staff
Cons: Better amenities in the bathroom
Location: Bus stop right out front to take you into city center
We had a very late check in (after midnight) and the hotel staff were prompt, compassionate to our ragged selves. They helped carry our luggage up to our room, even though they didn't have to. The morning staff and restaurant staff were also very helpful and genuine. The location was easy to get to from the airport, about a $15 cab ride for three people. There are 2 city buses that stop right in front of the hotel, so we were able to get on to the city center in 10 minutes. There is a Super Value grocery store at the end of the block away from the hotel, so it was nice to be able to get snacks and beer (and toys for the kid!) The room was clean, if a little spartan. The cleaning staff was prompt and friendly when we asked for more towels. The only thing I can complain about was the soap in the bathroom (and that's me just trying to find something wrong here, it was a really great stay). The soap for the bathroom smelled like the cheapest, industrial soap you can get. Something a little less chemical and hospital would've made the bathroom experience a bit nicer. I'd stay here again!
Oct 9, 2016 by Bino (Supervisor), Hotel Management
Dear Christa, Thank you for taking the time to post such a great review following your recent stay with us. We are delighted to receive such wonderful feedback and very much look forward to welcoming you back in the near future. Kind regards
Wouldn't recommend stay somewhere else. Posted Oct 7, 2016 Loud noises in the middle of the night. Mold everywhere. Stains on floor and chairs. Eggs at breakfast where rubber. Hard beds. Back to Hotel Details

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Fish without fear in this Frabill 12 ice-fishing jacket. TheThinsulate fill captures body heat while allowing moisture toescape, keeping you warm and dry at your favorite ice-fishing hole.The nylon Taslan shell is water and wind resistant and lined withtricot, so it guards against moisture and cold without adding extrabulk.
Safety comes first when fishing in harsh elements, and thisjacket is up to the challenge. The built-in self-rescue setincludes ice pick holsters located high on the chest, and Frabillice safety inter-label drainage mesh helps to reduce water weight.
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