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BBC - Have Your Say: Is enough being done to end disability discrimination?
It's 40 years since the first Disability Act was passed, giving rights to disabled people for the first time. But has enough been done?
The legislation encapsulated ideas such as help at home, the right to proper assessment of needs and crucially making it the responsibility of local councils to make the environment accessible to disabled people.
However, a new BBC survey has revealed that although 90% of those polled believed government should provide funds to make the workplace accessible for the disabled, 40% thought that people with disabilities turned down jobs, even when they were physically able to do them.
Do disability services need to be improved? Is disability discrimination still a problem? Do you have a personal experience to share?
At 12:11 29th Nov 2010, British Freikorps wrote:
Working in construction you can really see how new buildings are designed these days to accommodate those who have disabilities. Therefore I'd say things have moved in the right direction regarding this issue.
At 12:13 29th Nov 2010, CookieD18 wrote:
This is probably more about perceptions than facts. People THINK that disabled people have turned down jobs. What does that really mean?
I think as with normal benefits, if there is no increase in the standard of living from getting a job, then people will not actively look for work or accept jobs that they are offered. But the information above doesnt say one way or the other if this is the case or not.
At 12:14 29th Nov 2010, scott wrote:
At 12:16 29th Nov 2010, ace riley wrote:
As a disabled person i find that most laws are there for the sake of keeping people like myself quiet?When i go shopping most stores dont enforce their disabled parking spaces which leave people like myself open to abuse from these inconsiderate drivers who think disabled people should not have parking spaces.And the stores and shops dont give a dam .The public in general dont respect disabled people because laws are not enforced to protect us.
At 12:22 29th Nov 2010, roger wrote:
If someone is genuinely disabled then help and consideration should be given. However what constitutes as being disabled nowadays is a different matter. Far too many people claim to be disabled when in fact they are able to work and provide for themselves. It is yet another leg of the welfare state that has been abused
At 12:23 29th Nov 2010, lancshiker wrote:
At 12:29 29th Nov 2010, roger wrote:
In answer to Ace Rileys comment, most disabled people seem to think the welfare state is there for there sole benefit only. I feel sorry for anyone who is disabled but am afraid it’s a fact of life, and people need to make the best of what they have and not keep complaining about how bad there lot is. I believe that the vast majority do respect and help disabled people when they can, but sometimes disabled people won’t help themselves
At 12:29 29th Nov 2010, U14366475 wrote:
Is enough being done to end disability discrimination? In some ways it's gone over the top. For example, when I drive into my local City on a Saturday, it's hard to find a parking space, yet there literally hundreds and hundreds of empty disabled and mother + baby bays in the city's car parks.
At 12:29 29th Nov 2010, john wrote:
NO if you have health issue's like me there is no help
on visiting the employment exchange 30 years ago i explained that i was partilly sighted,
i was told how can a person be partially sighted when they only have 1 eye the other being plastic so it did not count as an eye?
now still with 1 eye and heart attack triple bypass still not disabled
after having heart ops i worked in the voluntary sector for over 5 years working at least 40 hours plus aweek when offered full time work with a good wage THATS RIGHT my health issues lost me the job so for some people
they turn there backs on still no help and for those that feel i am a scronger NO financial benefits either
At 12:31 29th Nov 2010, The Bloke wrote:
Things seemed to have moved a long way in the right direction.
No doubt more can and should be done, but buildings, vehicles and most importantly attitudes seem to have changed.
I'd like to see more detail about the poll the BBC is quoting. I can easily imagine that some disabled people do turn jobs down. Why wouldn't they? Everyone else does, if the job isn't right.
More importantly, though, many people do no doubt think that there are many people claiming to be disabled who just aren't. There have been plenty of court cases, so it's not just ill-founded hearsay.
Those who are genuinely disabled and can't work should be able to live well on benefits. Those who are disabled who can work should work, and society and the economy should help them.
But there is no more or less reason why disabled people should be more inclined to take unsuitable employment than anyone else.
At 12:36 29th Nov 2010, edd1108 wrote:
3. At 12:14pm on 29 Nov 2010, scotty1694 wrote:
not every disabled person can work but id bet 80% could
so long as you can use your head and move your arms you can work.
maybe start training people in wheelchairs on CAD and other computer related tasks?
and just because somebody is "simple" doesnt mean they couldnt work in a factory intellegence isnt required in every job.
so really unless you are Severly disabled you can work.
i also fail to see why disabled people get free cars
do they not realise all they do is just rent these cars out and put more money in there pockets? they could probably recall all these free cars or discounted cars and use the money to hire people to do the shopping for them?
and as for people disabled with "stress and depression" get real!
you think in ww2 the troops said woah i cant fight today im stressed and depressed! or chefs or mechanics?
Are you for real!? I am one of those people who get "free cars". I use an electric wheelchair and have a converted vehicle where I can stay in my chair when travelling. As for your suggestion that I should give up my car and get people to do my shopping for me, well that would make me even more isolated than I already am.
I also do not have paid work, but do voluntary work as and when I can, I enjoy it and give something back to society. I cannot physically go out to work as I have carers who help me and somedays I cant get out of bed or work, I couldnt get a flexible enough paid job at home so work for charities doing whatever they need me to do administration wise.
I am constantly checked for benefits and assesed regulary as I am 28. Whilst I acknowledge some people swing the lead, I feel your comments are typical of society. Disability is not just about how that one person is at that point of time, it is how that person manages day to day. Please bear this is mind before you look down at us again!
At 12:38 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
Quote / "3. At 12:14pm on 29 Nov 2010, scotty1694 wrote:
also fail to see why disabled people get free cars
do they not realise all they do is just rent these cars out and put more money in there pockets?
they could probably recall all these free cars or discounted cars and use the money to hire people
to do the shopping for them?" /End Quote
The Cars are NOT FREE Disabled Drivers pay for them with there own Disability Living Allowance.
Or in the case of service personel they pay from there Disabled perons War Pension
I have a Car funded from my own DLA, why?
Because I am unable to walk more than 25mtrs, and that same criterea
applies to all persons entitled to obtain a car under the scheme. In some cases it is not the Driver who is the
Disabled person, it may be there spouse/partner or Brother/Sister etc.
That car enables me to work, and get on with my life, without it, I would be housebound and a burden to society.
Your comment is Crass in the extreme, perhaps someone should "Beam You UP Scotty" back to the Planet you come from!
At 12:39 29th Nov 2010, scott wrote:
4. At 12:16pm on 29 Nov 2010, ace riley wrote:
maybe if disabled people didnt hand there handicap passes around to family and then constantly you see somebody geting out of a car with a handicap pass than can walk just as good as me , maybe we would get so annoyed?
handicapped people hand there privelges about to there family and friends so alot of them only have themselfs to blame.
and just what laws would you like made up and enforced for disabled people exactly?
isnt discriminating against a disabled person illegal?
what more laws could you want?
At 12:40 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
Quote / " 5. At 12:22pm on 29 Nov 2010, roger wrote:
If someone is genuinely disabled then help and consideration should be given. However what constitutes as being disabled nowadays is a different matter. Far too many people claim to be disabled when in fact they are able to work and provide for themselves. It is yet another leg of the welfare state that has been abused " /End Quote
Yes and a LOT of them do work, your making a statement based on nothing but your own ignorance an prejudice.
At 12:43 29th Nov 2010, parisboldaslove wrote:
Whether meaning to or not I think that a large amount of the general public are blase about disabilities. Parking spaces seem to be a constant problem and many of the people who selfishly park in disabled bays when they are perfectly able bodied are rude and abusive when confronted about it. I have witnessed this myself many times as my mother has mobility problems and had a blue badge. Why? What is it to someone walking a slightly longer distance when they don't have to endure pain? To add to this, despite the DDA I still see many public places that are inaccessible for disabled people - shops with doorways, toilets up stairs, aisles too small to fit a wheelchair or scooter between them. It is no disadvantage to anyone to build ramps or widen shopping aisles, so why isn't it universally done?
As for the comment about free or reduced cost cars, would you give your car away in lieu of getting a personal shopper? I thought not. Why deny people their independence and good quality of life just to save a few quid?
At 12:56 29th Nov 2010, callaspadeaspade wrote:
Do disability services need to be improved? Is disability discrimination still a problem?
I think it depends on how you look at it. I have no doubt that disabled applicant to jobs suffer discrimination...but both positive (box ticking) and negative.
However, we live in a society with anti-discrimination laws. We also live in a socieety where somone with a disability can live respectably off of the state. SO we say that those with disabilities should not suffer discrimination...but also, once they have jumped through all the eligibility testing hoops, they get non means tested benefits for life.
Strikes me as a doubee standard
At 12:57 29th Nov 2010, Lucy Clake wrote:
A great deal has been done and compared with many countries discrimination here is much less. The 40% who believe that disabled people turn down jobs are probably mostly readers of the DM. They constantly have these sort of stories
At 12:57 29th Nov 2010, Raymond Hopkins wrote:
I was discharged on medical grounds from the army several decades ago, when the sun still shone permanently on the British Empire, and was faced with the problem of finding a job. Although entitled to sign up on the disabled register, I was strongly advised not to do so, as that would have restricted the possibility of being offered work to practically zero. Things may not be perfect yet, but it seems we have come a long way forward since my experience. Luckily, I was able to find work that I could do, and never looked back. Not everyone is so fortunate.
At 12:57 29th Nov 2010, john wrote:
look at the job market then were the disabled could be used but are not
employment fraud investigaters
use the disabled in the police coms etc
but no these jobs are taken by fit people young or immigrants
At 12:58 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
Quote / " However, a new BBC survey has revealed that although 90% of those polled believed government should provide funds to make the workplace accessible for the disabled, 40% thought that people with disabilities turned down jobs, even when they were physically able to do them.
Do disability services need to be improved? Is disability discrimination still a problem? Do you have a personal experience to share? " / End Quote
Ok as for the Jobs that Disabled persons allegedly turn down, how many of them pay enough so that they are actually better off, when you consider the Benefits they lose from working?
I have experience of poor service and access provision for Disabled persons, half the public buildings Town Halls, Civic centres in the North of England are Victorian buildings or older, with steps into an out of them, often the only "disabled" entrance is a door at the back in some dingy unlit area that stinks of Urine and Vomit, and we are expected to be grateful to use it.
Yet I was the person tasked with providing that access, but when I did make suggestions and put forward plans for alterations or provision, it was often turned down because it cost to much, or in the case of Sheffield Town Hall, it was turned down because English Heritage refused to allow the alterations as the Building is "Listed"
Currently access to Sheffield Town Hall is provided via a ramp at the front, the ramp is too steep, has no respite point on it, lacks a handrail at the correct height and shares access to the building with pedestrians.
But that's OK English Heritage can claim they have preserved the Town Hall.
At 13:02 29th Nov 2010, scott wrote:
At 13:03 29th Nov 2010, Slave to the System - I am not a number wrote:
Dare not saying about the disabled without getting my head bitten off!
I think there should be a greater focus on creating more roles which the physically disabled could do without travelling such as working as a call centre operative or other telephone support capacity.
1. Use a telephone headset (Tick)
2. Use a computer (Tick)
Its not what you cant do, its what you can that matters.
At 13:05 29th Nov 2010, scott wrote:
15. At 12:43pm on 29 Nov 2010, parisboldaslove wrote:
hmm you do realise were in a recession with a record deficit and outstanding debts? and everybody is feeling the cuts?
any i also disagree that every building has brilliant disabled access most buildings will never see a wheelchair
At 13:06 29th Nov 2010, Sickofpoliticians wrote:
Apart from the few building modifications and kerb lowering for wheelchair access little is done against discrimination. The present government have instructed DWP to reassess the disabled's fitness for work levels, mainly so they can cut benefits.
Employers, though covered under the discrimination act can find an excuse to not employ disabled people.
My wife, a former civil servant, who would like to work and have her independence, but who needs crutches to walk attended an interview for a job for which she was qualified and said to me at the end of the interview, she had no chance, judging by how the interviewer looked at the crutches, she was right, she wasn't even shortlisted.
Another occasion she got the job, a call centre, three months later she resigned as she couldn't return to her workstation after teabreaks in the allotted time and was constantly being reprimanded for being "late", her workstation was at the top of a flight of stairs even though the firm also had stations on ground level.
So no, there's not enough being done along these lines and government should target the workshy, drug and alcohol addicted rather than those physically disabled who can manage a few feet on their own two legs who do look for work but find every obstacle put in their way by both employers and our caring coalition.
At 13:07 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
Thank you BBC HYS team:
It is so nice of you to allow this discussion, and for the great HYS commenter's to be allowed to blast the full force of there "Daily Mail" mind set at persons least able to defend themselves.
Last Month it was Bash the Unemployed/Underclass/Benefit Scroungers, and this month you have sunk to lower depths, by abusing disabled persons.
Congratulations BBC you have set back the welfare of Disabled Persons by 5 years!
At 13:09 29th Nov 2010, scott wrote:
19. At 12:57pm on 29 Nov 2010, john wrote:
perhaps a symptom of being overpopulated the weak suffer first and the most. its just the way it goes and unless we were a rich country there is not alot we can do about it. disabled people are going to be in for a hard few years as are the poor and unintellegent
At 13:14 29th Nov 2010, aphoristic wrote:
By and large I think that much has been done to help the disabled in our society. As it should have been.
However..... I think things go too far when, for example, a small business is prevented from opening because they cannot afford to install disabled toilets... even though the business has no disabled customers!! (or very very few). I believe it is wrong that maybe hundreds or thousands of people could be prevented from using some business or facility because a very few disabled people cannot use it! common sense...
At 13:17 29th Nov 2010, Claire Herbert wrote:
"3. At 12:14pm on 29 Nov 2010, scotty1694 wrote:
At 13:19 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
Quote / "16. At 12:56pm on 29 Nov 2010, callaspadeaspade wrote:
.but also, once they have jumped through all the eligibility testing hoops, they get non means tested benefits for life." /End Quote
Obviously you have no idea what the Benefits system is for Disabled Persons.
DLA (Diability Living Allowance) is awarded on the basis of a Medical assessment carried out by a Doctor(s), and includes physical and mental tasks
It can take up to 6 months to undergo the entire process, and even then more than 70% are refused, and lead to appeals.
DLA is also awarded "indefinately" NOT for Life. Which means the Claimant can be recalled and reassesd at anytime that the DWP decide.
Unemployed Disabled Persons have to meet the same criteria for benefits as anyone else and are penalised just the same, if the fail to stick to the rules.
At 13:20 29th Nov 2010, john wrote:
paying over £1.000 aweek for carers and giving them
full DLA MOBILITY is wrong to many men want females to be
there carers.if on full 24 hour carer requirement then they do not need so much money take away mobility and high rate dla just unenemployment
as the care is doing all the work
families get £53 pounds for caring 24 hours 7 days aweek.
why so much for single yet so little for families?
put this money into employment of people with health conditions
able to work in the community
At 13:27 29th Nov 2010, lolages wrote:
I think part of the problem is that we have recognised far too many disabilities, both physical and mental.
We now have a society where you can if you choose say that you are depressed and thats your disability, no one can challenge that.
Knowing someone who chooses not to work because of their minor disability, I call it minor because I have exactly the same ailment, 9no to mention others)I have to admire those obviously disabled people who try their hardest not to let their disabilities stop them from working and getting on in life with little help from anyone else other than specialised equipment.
Soft labour has allowed thousands to get on the disability gravy train... well usually a fully funded car.
The numbers of "disabled" in the article is staggering!
At 13:29 29th Nov 2010, lolages wrote:
30. At 1:20pm on 29 Nov 2010, john wrote:
able to work in the community.
Therein lies the problem. A huge business in providing care, expensive job agencies and workers equals a lot of jobs.
At 13:30 29th Nov 2010, Wicked Witch of the South West wrote:
hahaha you're joking right?? Even the DWP are prejudiced against those with disabilities & trying to get out of paying them what they're entitled to. I have noticed that many disabled people (re)applying for DLA are getting turned down or receiving less than they are entitled, easy for those scamming the system to get around but causing more stress & upset for already frail people.
My partner is disabled. He would love to work, but his conditions mean that he is in constant pain. His condition varies from day to day, some days he's able to function, but most days he's in awful pain & the only thing he can do is sleep. This is not conducive with maintaining regular employment. Before his hip & kidneys got really bad he was extremely active first serving in the RAMC then in a well paid civilian medical job. He is no longer able to do this which is making him depressed. He has volunteered some of his time to helping the Royal British Legion as & when he is able, but is frustrated that his condition prevents him from doing more. His meagre existence now is literally hand to mouth. DLA is NOT a living wage, it only just covers the cost of living a basic existence. He has had to accept a considerable drop in living standards. Those living the life of riley on benefits are not doing so on benefits alone, it's virtually impossible.
Some of the views expressed earlier on this thread disgust me. The car provided through mobility has been a lifeline for my partner. If he didn't have the car he would be virtually housebound. He certainly wouldn't be able to afford to buy a care whilst in receipt of benefits. It appears that the critics of the mobility car REALLY do not understand how vital it is for those who are genuinely disabled & the media are not helping with their constant portrayal of all DLA claimants as scroungers who are playing the system. Just spare a little thought for those truly in need & those of us who give up our time to provide proper loving care to their relatives at great expense (emotionally & health-wise)to themselves.
At 13:32 29th Nov 2010, Kate CG wrote:
with attitudes lik ethis from our Prime Minister, what hope have we got?
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/burnleypendlerossendale/8705958.Rawtenstall_woman_hits_out_at_Prime_Minister_s__dwarf__jibe/
the online response to Gillian's comments were disgraceful,eventually most were removed but they were really offensive.
The same happened when a local man recently won an employment tribunal after his supervisor at REMPLOY called him "Ironside" and bullied him until he had no choice but to go to tribunal.
As a disabled person, who was told I could not use a lift in college in 1981 therefore making me leave my course, I have seen many changes but attitudes are still woeful in many places, work or socially
At 13:33 29th Nov 2010, SPEEDTHRILLS wrote:
. At 1:07pm on 29 Nov 2010, Spinonthis wrote:
Apologies to the BBC - I have not cleared my comments with "Spinonthis" yet. But if you, the BBC value the freedom of speech as I do, perhaps you would publish them anyway.
It is regrettable that some of our fellow citizens are less physically and mentally capable than others through impairment arising from defects at birth or by accident. Whilst I support every effort to accomodate them in the full spectrum of opportunities available, it is not reasonable to legislate to provide unrealistic opportunities at work and leisure. We should do our utmost to help them but retain a sense of balance and context.
At 13:34 29th Nov 2010, Kolawole Ajao wrote:
I thought enough was in the Western world. In this part of the world the disabled ones are like jinxed! The vast majority of the populace don't want to associate with them, there are little or no job chances for them, most of them never think working is for them. All you hear about disability is a kind of negative cliche.
At 13:35 29th Nov 2010, typicallistener wrote:
I think the disabled have done well out of legislation so far. No need for any more concessions, for now, I think. In fact there has been too much legislation altogether over the past decade, dictating to this or that part of our lives.
At 13:38 29th Nov 2010, mofro wrote:
#21. At 1:02pm on 29 Nov 2010, scotty1694 wrote:
12. At 12:38pm on 29 Nov 2010, Spinonthis wrote:
stop talking out your backside
pay for them out of there own DLA
excuse me WHO pays? taxpayers thats who
who pays for the car to be bought and then loaned?
and even that point aside
the may pay from there DLA
you hire it out for MORE to a family member or a friend you get some extra money and a car when you need it
the other person gets a brand new car on the cheap.
at the end of the day if your on DLA
you have no choice beggars cant be choosers
and ill say it agaib i SAID 80% could probably work
so will you all grow a brain and maybe just maybe understand that maybe some people on HYS are in the 20% i have no problem with?
so stop rambling on as if i have made the statements as if they were said to you in person aimed at you.
You seem to be a rather rude and obnoxious person who obviously knows of a family that abuses the disabled car facility. If you are so upset about it why don't you just let the authorities know of your suspicions so that they can act accordingly, instead of taking it out on the 99% of claimants who use the facility properly. There will always be those who abuse the system, but they are, and have always been, in the minority. Don't tarr all disabled people with the same brush. You might like to bear in mind that should, god forbid, you have a bad accident, you might even end up disabled yourself.
At 13:41 29th Nov 2010, Anonymouse wrote:
After my diagnosis of a progressive degenerative illness I became officially "Disabled"
At 13:42 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
Quote/ "21. At 1:02pm on 29 Nov 2010, scotty1694 wrote:
so stop rambling on as if i have made the statements as if they were said to you in person aimed at you." / End Quote
Disability Living Allowance is awarded as a Benefit on the basis of need and to allow a Disabled person to fulfill an active life.
The DLA I receive is awarded because I have that need the same as everyone else's.
You would therefore deny People injured at work or whilst serving this country and losing limbs the right to live a decent life.
(I think that in itself says more about you than anything else)
I Do NOT hire my Car out, nor does anyone else Drive it, I am the ONLY Driver on the insurance.
Your statement that this is done and is the norm is suggesting that all Disabled persons are benfit fraudsters and cheats.
If a DLA recipeint were to "Loan" out his/her car as you suggest and were found out, they would lose there entitlement to a Car, and the Motability Scheme would take there car off them.
So not only will you deny them a lawful entitlement to Benefits you wish to accuse them of being Criminals on nothing more than your own ignorance and prejudices.
As for Beggar cannot be chosers, that in itself is an Insult in the extreme. The days are long gone in this country
where we see Criples and Sick people begging on the streets with a bowl or a tin cup!
But perhaps that is what you hanker for? Your views are as insulting as they are antiquated.
At 13:43 29th Nov 2010, pzero wrote:
An awful lot of comments today that are very close to off topic or from people who obviously have no idea what they are talking about.
To return to the topic, I dont see what more can be done to end discrimination against the disabled. Indeed in some respects legislation seems to have gone too far the other way, and as always there are lawyers just waiting to get a slice of the discrimination pie.
The real problem seems to be the perception of the public that every disabled person is a sponger. Whilst I agree that those with nothing more wrong with them than an ingrown toe nail should be pilloried, not nearly enough is done to help the genuinely disabled.
So surely common semse dictates that if we waste less money on the chancers, those who truly deserve our help and support should get more.
At 13:47 29th Nov 2010, Joao Silva wrote:
a just lost mi right leg on the 27/10/2010 due to long term illness and I apply to disability living allowance and i was dined is that fair !!!??? I cant work only the wife as a full time job still have to wait 6months for my prosthetic leg....
At 13:54 29th Nov 2010, corum-populo-2010 wrote:
Disability is complex, wide-ranging and not always visible. Which is possibly why the blue badge symbol that includes the shape of a wheelchair is now very out-dated and very discriminating too? However, that's another debate on perceptions of disability.
People can be born with, or develop, or have sudden disability forced upon them via a car accident; their occupation, genetic, cancer, heart problems etc., etc. The list is wide and variable.
Many news reports over recent years have highlighted an increase in hate crime against those with disabilities.
Laws against disability discrimation are one thing, and most employers do very well. However, protection of the disabled person against personal abuse, from certain nasty sections of the public, appears to be lacking, as with ageism - also on the increase.
Yes, there are those reported cases of fake disabilities to defraud the benefit system and they should be exposed. However, for the majority of those with a disability they want to be involved in society and hate being isolated or bullied - just like anyone else.
At 14:05 29th Nov 2010, budugs wrote:
disability discrimation is worse than its ever been.
my wife has a visable disability and is constantly been called names and laughed at in public the abuse is on a daily basis it is sole distroying for her.
i blame the press and media who constanly call people scoungers and workshy, when are they going to realise this constant barage is leading to quenuenly sick and disabled people being the brunt of bullying of vicious mental abuse.
in the survey done by the bbc it states 40% people surveyed think disabled turn down work, what utter nonsence, how could ordinary people possibly know this, once again it is a perscetion picked up from reading storys in the media, shame on the bbc for even asking a question of the general public which only disabled people and their familys could answer truthfully and with knowlege.
At 14:11 29th Nov 2010, Paul wrote:
I think what needs to be done is more support for the EMPLOYER.
Disability discrimination legislation now is so draconian that an employer (especially a small employer) would rightly be scared before taking on someone who is disabled, in case it's hard to fire them if they can't do the job, or in case providing the support for them in their disability costs too much. So, they'll find excuses (not related to the disability) not to employ them.
If an employer knows they'll get help & advice (maybe financial help if they have to incur costs installing ramps, widening doors etc), and will be able to say 'well, we gave it good go, but it didn't work out' without the risk of a costly tribunal if there are too many problems, then they may be more willing to risk it.
I know someone who has psychotic episodes. He had a job which he was good at, and enjoyed, but the employer wouldn't keep anyone on for more than a year because then it got too hard to fire them if their disability caused problems. (Reducing this time would just mean people would have jobs for even less time).
So, disability discrimation law can actually make things worse rather than better. It certainly stops openness and free conversation. For instance, if a disabled person applies for a job, the conversation could not possibly go 'what would we need to do to accommodate you in our offices? how much would it cost? hmm, I don't think we can afford that, is there any financial help we can get?'. The employer has to pretend that these issues are not even considered, and then just err on the side of caution and find a reason not to offer them the job.
At 14:11 29th Nov 2010, won_hung_lo wrote:
At 14:14 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
Yes the services need to be improved, and not necessarily with more rules/regulations/laws. If the existing laws were actually enforced the issues would improve 10 fold.
The big problem (speaking as a Disabled person) is often you are spoken about as if your not in the room. Typically someone will ask of my Wife "And how is he today?" as if I am deaf dumb and blind.
I AM SAT HERE IN THE SAME ROOM, I AM NOT STUPID, I AM NOT INCAPABLE OF ANSWERING, SPEAK TO ME!
At 14:16 29th Nov 2010, ALADDIN wrote:
What about people with hidden disabilities such as high functioning autism, asperger syndrome and dyspraxia. It is hard to get a diagnosis as an adult using the N.H.S.
Knowledge of the condsitions, even highly educated people with those conditions cannot work !!!
At 14:17 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
Tomorrow I have a Job interview, I will come back an let you know how it goes, and if the prospective employer takes his obligations seriously in regard to employment of Disabled Persons.
At 14:18 29th Nov 2010, teedoff wrote:
I think the clue is in the title of the question:
"Is enough being done to end disability discrimination?"
The implication is that such discrimination is still with us, so this whole question is based on predicated perception.
I might have the perception that all new houses and businesses should ensure they have reasonable access for those who are differently abled. I might also think, of course, that all new houses and businesses should embrace renewable energies such as geothermal and solar. I might think instead that discrimination runs both ways and many disabled people are positively discriminated, getting extra help with work, such as guaranteed interviews. but all this is perception depending on which side of the bed I got out of today.
In truth I was born around the time of the first legislation so have grown up with a view of my friends as being friends and of rude people being rude people, and neither able-bodied nor disabled people have cornered either market. Don't look at me and see a middle-aged able-bodied caucasian married family man, see me.
At 14:22 29th Nov 2010, teedoff wrote:
"44. At 2:05pm on 29 Nov 2010, budugs wrote:
....shame on the bbc for even asking a question of the general public which only disabled people and their familys could answer truthfully and with knowlege."
How ironic, budugs, that you say disability discrimination is worse than it has ever been, then immediately discriminate against non-disabled people. How, indeed, could we know how you feel? Perhaps by asking and listening, and by keeping an open mind and not being blinkered and narrow-minded about how others perceive us. Shame, indeed.
At 14:23 29th Nov 2010, Mark wrote:
At 14:24 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
To the lam-basters like "scotty1694"
Perhaps you should read this before you sit there on your smug backside disparaging every disabled person in the country.
The Department of Work and Pensions itself has always said that the level of cheating amongst genuinely disabled people has always been very small; and let us be clear, all those claiming disability work-related benefit have been deemed by a doctor to need it. "
At 14:24 29th Nov 2010, doomjeffs wrote:
The disabled who screamed for handicapped access to public transport, demanded equality, insisted every business in the land installed ramps, huge bogs, lifts, access, workplaces all at no cost to themselves now moan because a politician has dared to suggest they actually make use of the billions forcibly spent on them by actually getting a job, you know the jobs they DEMANDED under equality legislation.
At 14:24 29th Nov 2010, teedoff wrote:
...shame on the bbc for even asking a question of the general public which only disabled people and their familys could answer truthfully and with knowlege."
You say only disabled could know the answer, implying I am not as knowledgeable as you. That, my friend, is discrimination, and I'd have thought you would know all about that. Shame, indeed!
At 14:29 29th Nov 2010, Mark wrote:
Large portions of the population have trouble sympathising with people that are different, therefore making stupid & ignorant comments based off antidotal evidence .
At 14:30 29th Nov 2010, Mike from Brum wrote:
25. At 1:07pm on 29 Nov 2010, Spinonthis wrote:
This post is hugely insulting.
Why do you think that disabled people are unable to verbally defend themselves? Most disabilities are physical not mental; and this sort of comment just reinforces the flawed stereotype that disabled = feeble minded.
The deal is this: We have laws and support in place to make things easier for disabled people. These laws and benefits narrow the gap between the able bodied and the disabled, making it possible for those that are impaired to live their lives on a (roughly) equal footing to those that are not and with a bit of dignity.
Comments like yours erode that dignity.
At 14:31 29th Nov 2010, kaybraes wrote:
There are plenty of facilities and allowances made for the genuinely disabled, though there is always room for improvement. Most of the genuinely disabled are keen to work if they can find something they can do. However there are a lot of people who masquerade as disabled who have no intention of ever working." Sore backs " and " depression " cover a lot of territory when the real problem is laziness. Drug and alcohol dependents should not be classed as disabled or ill, they are just self indulgent and should not be paid for by the taxpayer.
At 14:38 29th Nov 2010, Mark wrote:
"47. At 2:14pm on 29 Nov 2010, Spinonthis wrote:
I AM SAT HERE IN THE SAME ROOM, I AM NOT STUPID, I AM NOT INCAPABLE OF ANSWERING, SPEAK TO ME!"
This I can vouch for,
Having grown up with a family member with a disability, it sickens me when I see how people speak to those with disabilities.
I mean, especially when they have crutches or a wheelchair - all this indicates is that there legs are not working correctly, nothing to do with there brain.
It's worth pointing out that this does not just relate to disabled people, I hear the same tone when people speak to the elderly, or when sexist people speak to couples (anything that is stereotypically female they speak to the women, male to the men).
Another particular annoying habit is when people act overly nice, what part of equality do they not understand.
Treat them like you would anybody else, there is no other way of ending discrimination.
At 14:42 29th Nov 2010, callaspadeaspade wrote:
29. At 1:19pm on 29 Nov 2010, Spinonthis
"DLA is also awarded "indefinately" NOT for Life. Which means the Claimant can be recalled and reassesd at anytime that the DWP decide.
Unemployed Disabled Persons have to meet the same criteria for benefits as anyone else and are penalised just the same, if the fail to stick to the rules."
That's precisely what I referred to as the "eligibility hoops". A genuinely disabled person whose condition is unlikely to change will of course be subject to reasessment, but unless their eligibility is questionable to start with indefibately is effectively for life.
I'm not being controversial- merely pointing out that we have a system that is supposed to prohibit discrimination and ensure equal access at the same time as funding people to stay at home because they can't work!
At 14:44 29th Nov 2010, Steve Edwards wrote:
Perhaps you're not respected because you are the sort who thinks that "respect" is due to you just because of a disability and that respect should be legally enforced.
Disabled people must earn respect as much as the able should.
At 14:45 29th Nov 2010, won_hung_lo wrote:
56. At 2:29pm on 29 Nov 2010, Mark wrote:
Your comments aren't "stupid & ignorant" because?
Your evidence isn't "antidotal" :), how?
At 14:45 29th Nov 2010, Dr John Galt wrote:
From where are our rights derived?
At 14:50 29th Nov 2010, Anarcho-libertarian wrote:
The symbol for disability is a drawing of a person in a wheelchair. I think that reflects society's thinking. Not much is done for those with a mental disability. My son has very severe autism and has never had any extra help in the outside world. It has always been up to me to get him through. To make matters worse, twice at airports staff have blocked his way in order to allow a person in a wheel chair to go ahead of him. They became quite rude when I explained that he was far more disabled.
There needs to be much more focus on helping the mentally disabled go out and about. I don't want my son to spend his life sedated in front of the TV.
At 14:52 29th Nov 2010, ollie wrote:
At 14:59 29th Nov 2010, afreethinker wrote:
As a "disabled" person..then again I thought I was a person!!...I can honestly say that I would love to go back to work. To those who say "well go on"..
1. will you wipe my backside/more to the point WILL I LET YOU?
2. will you turn off all the fluorescent lights in the building and what would you replace them with?
3. will you please ask the Highways Department to repair the roads so that I will no longer have a journey from hell too and from work due to the vibration that sends painful shocks to my head/eyes/neck?
4. will you cover for me and do my workload when it is impossible for me to get out off bed some mornings?
5. will you mind if I fall asleep at my desk/work place after taking the pain medication which assists with my daily life and/or after only 2 hours sleep at night - if lucky?
6. will you mind if I attend work late and then leave early?
I would love to go back to my previous employment...please note that I worked for 35 years with very little time off being ill (ironic)!!!
Get OFF your high horses..I for one am NOT a scrounger and I resent being referred to as one.
I am absolutely LIVID. Oh by the way this has taken me one hour to type..disgraceful in my eyes as I was a typist with an excellent speed!!
At 15:00 29th Nov 2010, budugs wrote:
teedoff: i do not say discrimination is worse, i know it is through personell experience.
teedoff: i have never discriminated against anyone in my life, if you think what i said was discrimination then you should try living with true disibiliy discrimination day in day out, month in month out never ending and constant.
teedoff; i am not sure i understood what you were trying to say in your comment but i stick to my comment that the bbc should have asked disabled people about their experinces of the work and finding a job.
were they given the opputunity to answer don,t know which would have made the survey more valid.
At 15:05 29th Nov 2010, Bob wrote:
For those who are genuinely disabled a lot more needs to be done by local authorities, central government and big business. The exception to this, for example, is a disabled person who has been awarded megabucks thru a compensation claim. They, via a fat cat lawyer, accepted an award and if they want extra then they should query their no win no fee lawyer why they did not receive those extras thru their compensation. They should not expect the public purse to stump up because of a lawyer's incompetence.
At 15:13 29th Nov 2010, tardigrade wrote:
Whenever the subject of discrimination against the disabled is thrust under my nose, I am mindful of that wonderful sketch in "Beyond the Fringe", in which the irrepressibly optimistic left-legless Mr. Spiggot, played by Dudley Moore, auditions for the role of Tarzan.
Peter Cook: "Your right leg I like. I like your right leg. That's what I said when I saw it come in Mr. Spiggot. 'Lovely leg. Lovely, lovely leg'. I've got nothing against your right leg, Mr. Spiggot. The trouble is, neither have you."
I hate discrimination against any minority, but dislike positive preferment just as much.
At 15:15 29th Nov 2010, stevegrant wrote:
Ok,yes things are moving forward if your only marginally disabled and have your marbles but what about the rest?If you can work,your a hero if you cant your forgotten and left to rot on low benefits,stigmatised as worthless.Many disabled people cannot hope to achieve the heights of those who claim to be disabled but are "able" enough to be tv presenters or actors etc;but those who rely heavily on "carers"are sidelined just as they have always been.And guess what under the Con/Dem-merchants those who have the least are going to get even less,so are the disabled discriminated against?Of course they are-why even ask?
At 15:19 29th Nov 2010, tardigrade wrote:
At 15:21 29th Nov 2010, The Bloke wrote:
//61. At 2:44pm on 29 Nov 2010, Steve Edwards wrote:
Disabled people must earn respect as much as the able should.//
Steve - I seriously don't do pc. If what you said applied to ethnic or religious minorities claiming to be victims, I'd be with you.
But here, the person you are replying to is making a valid point. There should be disabled parking spaces, and these should be used only by the genuinely disabled.
At 15:25 29th Nov 2010, kevthebrit wrote:
At 15:27 29th Nov 2010, scott wrote:
yes yes its totally unfair to take away dosabled peoples FREE cars dla or not the dla money is free too
while its perfectly fair millions atm can barely afford to run one or simply cant yes im a total monster how dare i say people on benefits disabled or jsa etc only get the same as most people!
total bigot that i am!!
i suppose you could say all of the royal family are disabled too! just born and given money etc!
i however like the royal family so that is a joke.
At 15:29 29th Nov 2010, The Bloke wrote:
//42. At 1:47pm on 29 Nov 2010, Joao Silva wrote:
a just lost mi right leg on the 27/10/2010 due to long term illness and I apply to disability living allowance and i was dined is that fair !!!??? I cant work only the wife as a full time job still have to wait 6months for my prosthetic leg....//
If true, that's terrible. A very close relative of mine claims DLA, perfectly legitimately, and your experience sounds very different from theirs.
Their condition is entirely real, verifiable and serious, though not worse than the one you claim to have. It seems odd and out of character for the organisation to be giving you a hard time on what seems such an obvious claim.
Maybe things have changed with the new government?
That being said, from your name and your English, no offence, but are you actually from the UK? Maybe there are issues around entitlement based on your nationality. Again, I might be making massive assumptions, but I can imagine that a Brit working in, say, Portugal or certainly Brazil, would get very little assistance in your situation.
At 15:30 29th Nov 2010, Megan wrote:
In a tough job market it is simple to select someone for whom you won't need to make expensive alterations to accommodate: you've satisfied the requirements of employment law by giving any disabled applicants an interview.
Oh, and did you know that if your disability means that you cannot hand-complete a form... the one bunch who don't make any effort to supply an electronic version of their form are... DWP!!!!
At 15:35 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
Quote / " 31. At 1:27pm on 29 Nov 2010, lolages wrote:
The numbers of "disabled" in the article is staggering! " /end Quote
Only to be outdone by the number of bigots.
People keep banging on about a Fully Funded Car.
It is NOT fully funded it is provide to recipients of Disability Living Allowance who receive the Higher Rate Mobility award.
More often than not the person who obtains a car has to pay a deposit of anything from £500 to £5000 which is non refundable, they may also have to pay out for adaptations to the vehicle. Hand Controls, Chair Lifts, Ramps etc... at a cost of £thousands which they never get back, and have to pay out again and again every time the lease expires.
The Motability Scheme is a Charity. it is one of the largest purchasers of Fleet Vehicles in the UK. If it were to be "removed" or discontinued, a whole industry would collapse, not least of which the Car Industry which was baled out with low interest loans not so long back.
That Benefit is to enable the person to take part in everyday life, it allows them the freedom to work, shop, take part in social and leisure activities, contribute to there own and there families well being.
It is clear that people who are not in receipt of this Benefit think it it is some sort of free hand out, it is not, the level of incapacity of a claimant is such that they would be unable to function without it.
My Car (yes provided under the Motability Scheme) is leased, I do not own it. It is paid for using my Mobility benefit.
This allows me to work, and pay taxes.
I actually pay more tax in a week than the benefits I get for a month.
(When I am working) at present I am between jobs, but that may change tomorrow. So wish me luck, then I can pay more Tax to help out the country. AND THE DISABLED less fortunate than I am.
At 15:40 29th Nov 2010, teedoff wrote:
"67. At 3:00pm on 29 Nov 2010, budugs wrote:
were they given the opputunity to answer don,t know which would have made the survey more valid."
Budugs, I am not having a go at you, per se, but you implied that only those who live in the immediate environs of disability understand the discrimination that occurs. I disagree with that, as I feel it is discriminatory against others who suffer discrimination for other reasons. My wife was a head-teacher in her native Ukraine, but couldn't get full accreditation as a teacher in this country - because the new head-teacher could not vouch for her work from personal experience! She is now retraining as a nurse, using this country's university system. But she still undergoes discrimination because of her accent - on a daily basis. This will be a second degree for her, so when people talk to me instead of her, as if she were idiotic, she has the same feelings as you engender. She is often viewed as less than she really is. So I feel I talk from a position of knowledge when I suggest that your comment held some irony, as it talked about discrimination against you while unwittingly discriminating against others. I hope I've cleared this up for you now.
At 15:42 29th Nov 2010, U14702416 wrote:
At 15:43 29th Nov 2010, U14366475 wrote:
People with real disables must be sickened when they hear about people like this
https://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/214395/How-many-more-children-for-the-most-feckless-father-in-Britain-
At 15:46 29th Nov 2010, U14702416 wrote:
At 15:50 29th Nov 2010, The Bloke wrote:
//70. At 3:15pm on 29 Nov 2010, stevegrant wrote:
Ok,yes things are moving forward if your only marginally disabled and have your marbles but what about the rest?If you can work,your a hero if you cant your forgotten and left to rot on low benefits,stigmatised as worthless.Many disabled people cannot hope to achieve the heights of those who claim to be disabled but are "able" enough to be tv presenters or actors etc;but those who rely heavily on "carers"are sidelined just as they have always been.And guess what under the Con/Dem-merchants those who have the least are going to get even less,so are the disabled discriminated against?Of course they are-why even ask? //
Few people seem to have any real problem with assisting the genuinely disabled, and of allowing those who can work to work.
But you seem to question the right of the government and wider society to question those who might be milking the system.
The biggest threat to our entire welfare state has come from the way it has been abused, by groups as diverse as teenage single mums, pretend handicapped, asylum seekers and the legal profession supporting them.
At 15:58 29th Nov 2010, ab894 wrote:
I am just returned to the workplace/university after a year out in a wheelchair. I am on a stick and was assured at interview (I applied for teacher training), that my need of two things would be no barrier. I asked that my placements be in the city that I work in, as travel is a problem, and that I could have a chair or stool in classes so that I could sit down occasionally if needed. Both of these requests have been backed up with doctors notes and discussions they requested to 'best meet my needs'.
When I requested a chair in my placement school I was told to 're-consider whether I am physically capable of the profession', and I have had to fight with the faculty to get a reasonable placement; the first one they assigned me was 57 miles away! The lack of response to my needs has in fact reduced my mobility and ability, giving me considerable pain and stress.
I have fought and fought to return to work and 'normal' life, as a lot of people with disabilities I have met are doing, but attitudes are such that it is extremely difficult to work! I want to work and I intend to, but I can see why other disabled people shy from constantly having to fight and be generally obnoxious to get the simplest of needs met!
At 16:00 29th Nov 2010, U14366475 wrote:
79. At 3:42pm on 29 Nov 2010, Free from the BBC wrote:
· 8. At 12:29pm on 29 Nov 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
The bays are empty, which means there are too many of them. In one car park there is a whole floor with 100+ disabled spaces, almost all are alwasy empty. Where's the logic in that?
At 16:00 29th Nov 2010, Gruffydd ap Llywelyn wrote:
As a disabled gentleman and confined to a wheelchair myself, I have to agree; like it or not, the blue badge scheme is being abused by people who claim to be disabled and who are clearly, not. I myself when parking my car, purposely look for a space at the end with enough access on the offside so I can get out with my wheelchair then wheel myself into the shops.
I am grateful to those businesses and local authorities that take into consideration wheelchair users but my concern is, some employers still look down their noses on employing a disabled workforce, and are more concerned with their appearance.
At 16:03 29th Nov 2010, ruffled_feathers wrote:
"19. At 12:57pm on 29 Nov 2010, john wrote:
but no these jobs are taken by fit people young or immigrants"
Certainly some of this jobs could be taken by someone with a disability, but they may have to arrive first. Many railway and undeground stations still only have flights of stairs, many buses still cannot cope well with wheelchairs.
However, I do not agree with positive discrimination. Jobs should go on merit. And there are plenty of people with disabilities who would fulfil their roles excellently - if only they could get there.
At 16:04 29th Nov 2010, U14702416 wrote:
At 16:05 29th Nov 2010, Lord Rant wrote:
Yes the 1995 Act in Quite potent ...You will always find people who will abuse the disable .. By the same token you will find disable people who will "use " their disability to their own advantage .. Both are human nature ... And before you start on me I speak as one who is protected by the 1995 act
At 16:11 29th Nov 2010, ALADDIN wrote:
The disability employment advisor knows nothing about the condition.Will they understand high functioning autism, asperger syndrome and dyspraxia, other hidden disabilities ? They are rude and friendly.
They generally will not help disabled graduates.
At 16:21 29th Nov 2010, U14702416 wrote:
At 16:22 29th Nov 2010, Gruffydd ap Llywelyn wrote:
To all those lambasting the disabled, I would dearly love to change places with you to be once again able bodied, if I was given the chance. Then perhaps you'll realise just what it's like to be disabled or a paraplegic or quadriplegic. Some of us were born that way, we didn't have any say in it. Perhaps you believe we shouldn't have been born?
At 16:23 29th Nov 2010, Magi Tatcher wrote:
At 16:24 29th Nov 2010, ollie wrote:
I SUFFERED FROM 4 YEARS OF BULLYING DISCRIMINATION HARASSMENT
CALLED A SURKUR AFTER COMING OUT OF HOSPITAL,
TOLD TO GO 4th & X C L,
LOCKED OUT OF MY WORK PLACE.
CALLED A GUT LESS T T.
TOLD I WOULD BE DONE OUT SIDE OF WORK BY BULLY.
ACCUSED OF PICKING MY JOBS.
THERE WAS NO MONEY IN BUDGET FOR
CONSTANTLY REFUSED TO RETURN TO WORK AFTER OPERATION.
UNLAWFULLY CUT WAGES.
TOLD A MANAGER WOULD COME DOWN TO MY WORK PLACE TO SORT ME OUT.
SUFFER A SECOND POST TRAUMATIC MENTAL HEALTH BREAKDOWN.
TAKE MONTHS TO GET BACK TO WORK THEN I AM SACKED FOR A DISORDER / DISABILITY OF MY SPINE.
LOST OUR HOME WE WORKED 30 YEARS FOR.
AS WELL AS BEING FULL TIME CARERS OF HANDICAPPED SON.
DISABILITY/DISCRIMINATION/EQUALITY/LEGISLATION GO4th.
YES WHO DO CARE FOR CARERS ?????
At 16:27 29th Nov 2010, Spindoctor wrote:
There seems to be a lot of confusion in regard to the Regulations on Disability and Disabled persons.
Under the Health and Safety at Work Etc. Act 1974, employers must protect the health, safety and welfare of disabled workers. (as they must also protect all workers)
Further Regulations apply to new build Property:
The Building Regulations have a whole entire section that covers the criteria for new buildings to meet the requirements of the above act(s).
These same regulations are also used by Businesses and Service providers to ensure that any adaptations made meet the requirements of the Disabled and are fit for purpose.
It is hardly any use to build a Ramp for wheel chair access that is too steep, or too narrow to allow for its safe use.
There are also further regulations within the DDA that pertain to the rights of Disabled members of the public for access to services and shops, etc.
This does not mean they have a right to access every building it may mean for example that in the case where a building is not accessible and it is not practical to provide access to the building to obtain services, that the Service Provider visits the Disabled Person at home, or at an adjacent property that is suitable.
At 16:33 29th Nov 2010, 1066ha wrote:
Disability discrimination is still at an alarming level and is considered as a non crime by most authorities unless there is a physical injury. The situation within social housing is at a dangerous high with many forced evictions every year and so many suicides linked to housing issues for the disabled and the media always report on individual cases no one ever adds them up to see the true picture. A simple search on google for some social housing landlords reveals a history of abuse and discrimination that would result in criminal charges anywhere else in europe. Disability discrimination? we have taken onlythe first step in stamping it out but then we are disabled our steps are slow and faltering and hero`s in authority ready to take up our cause are very rare indeed
At 16:35 29th Nov 2010, Aneeta Trikk wrote:
Regrettably the DDA, its amendments and the advice given to employers does not go far enough. It never did and perhaps there was never an intention it would really deal with anthing other than the most serious cases of discrimination.
It is still a requirement for a wronged employee to prove the employer discriminated solely on grounds of disability and it can be very difficult to do even when it is very obvious to the recipient just how they are being or have been treated. A chunk of the problem appears to be the classic problem of "big settlements" attracting media attention when it is the "small defeats" that should be noted. These include some of the most awful cases of employer neglect, and yet employers escape punishment.
I would like the law to be changed to make it a requirement for the employer to prove they have not discriminated against the disabled employee. Such a change would make it essential for employers to at least try to accommodate a disabled employee rather than go through the motions of satisfying what an employment tribunal will require. Surely it was not the intention of the law to simply introduce tick boxes to satisfy the requirement to do the best to accommodate a disabled employee, for that is where we have ended.
At 16:37 29th Nov 2010, 1066ha wrote:
I noticed your invitation to share personal experiences of disability discrimination I and others would welcome the opportunity to share you can find us at [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]
At 16:38 29th Nov 2010, mickmorpeth wrote:
Some of the comments on this thread are at best offensive at worst "rabid" but this is the way we are moving as a society. There is no doubt that public opinion seems to be drifting to the right at some speed.
History suggests that when this happens it is usually a good idea to "keep your head down" and try not to feature prominently amongst an easily identifiable section of society.
Current sitting ducks include: The Unemployed, The Disabled, Some Ethnic Groups, Travellers, The Unions, Huntsmen, Drug Users, et al
I am not seeking to legitamise this state of affairs as I think it to be appalling, I am just making the observation.
At 16:39 29th Nov 2010, U14366475 wrote:
90. At 4:21pm on 29 Nov 2010, Free from the BBC wrote:
· 84. At 4:00pm on 29 Nov 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
The logic is that they are reserved for disabled drivers when and if they need them.
We the fit drivers are asked to walk 20 yards, I don’t find that a problem, why do you?
Because the car parks are full. There are no spaces left for able bodied drivers, yet no more than 10% of the spaces provided for disabled people are occupied, and I expect some of those are taken by able bodied and can't find a space. It's a waste, that's my point, nothing to do with walking further to the shops.
At 16:43 29th Nov 2010, Hyopocon wrote:
For mental health, the last few years have seen these bases for social and specialist support falling like a house of cards. In our area, first the Resource at Duncan Macmillan House changed its independent basis for clients and carers to being reclaimed by the Healthcare Trust to serve the trust¿s interests as an Involvement centre. Next went Manor Road Day Centre for older people, not replace, and its clients shunted in the direction of the Broad Street Centre, which in turn closed a year ago last March, with no efforts being made to relocate a vulnerable clientele and all the specialist infrastructure that SPAN had built up with many years¿ experience of working with our needs. The Healthcare Trust needs to Protect its Investment, instead of sweeping it all away, which sets in motion a slide in care standards and a proliferation of costs which have to be met later. These personal and social costs show in rates of relapse - the old ¿revolving door¿ - and social problems which are left unmet and unmeasured except in high profile catastrophies like suicides and violations of the Law.
The creation of an underclass of ignored people is very damaging to social cohesion and devastating for the people so ignored. Where the situation is changing it is in being not simply ignored but in being actively targeted with inappropriate expectations that the disabled ¿must work¿, that Day Care should produce outcomes that move people on - when these people are there with incurable illnesses and recognized vulnerabilities when working functionality is an unrealistic expectation. The protection of these people is safeguarded by Statute. The extent to which the catalogue of pre-meditated closures described here is in violation of statute is contended here to highlight what some people are hoping will not come to light, but this is something which is reaching scandalous proportions.


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So when Im telling you that "Not A One" can beat this man's Curry or Conch soup, you can take it as truth, TRUST!! Best in Negril, beach or Westend. Dare to compare those 2, enjoy!!!
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Chicken lavish has the best fried chicken. It is so crisp and fresh. A small open air restaurant. The food is all cooked to order and the spices are just incredible. I am getting hungry just writing about it. In business since 1972 with the current owner having 33 years at Chicken Lavish.
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We walked in late one evening and were quickly greated, seated and served cold beverages. Food arrived promptly hot off the stove. Large portions and priced very reasonably. The owner even called us a cab when we were done. Good stuff.
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for a pair in the second half and the team won 28-24 and this is what jim harbaugh had to say. >> this is a team effort and everybody does a little and it adds up to be a lot. this is done by -- this is not done by any one person. tremendous force showed heart in the team and they will move on with humility and will be ready to play again in two weeks. >> reporter: coach harbaugh will be facing off with his brother who is a coach for the super bowl in new orleans and that's leading some people to call the super bowl the harbaugh. harbaugh took over the team since coaching stanford and they have not gone to the super bowl since 1995. coming up on the morning news at 6:00, i will tell you about the cost, what it will cost and to come to the super bowl. janine de la vega ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> it happened right after the game. a falcons fan punched a 9ers fan and that's when end pulled you out a knife and stabbed a falcons fan in the next and he was rushed to the hospital and he is reported itly in stable condition. >>> he celebrated the team's victory... >>> we were in KTVU Morning News Early Edition
, some are on the opposite side trying to beat them. >> jim harbaugh called it a blessing and a curse but most will prepare for their february 3rd meeting in now orleans. >>> they are preparing for super bowl sunday and the timing -- meeting in new orleans. they are preparing for super bowl sunday and the timing is coming up. >> parents don't want to watch the game with anybody else because they are so nervous. >> i get that, sometimes i watch the game at home because i don't want people to ask me why i am pacing. you know you get nervous sometimes when you are watching your team. this is a look at highway 4, there are no major problems coming up to the willow pass grade. the bay bridge approach, we are getting a lot more traffic and yesterday we didn't have a lot because of the king holiday but today a lot of people are back. if you are driving in union city and there are no problems on the peninsular and from the time to get to san mateo it is still a good drive. 5:37 let's go to steve. >>> when i move they fumble. >> i know what you mean sal. >>> temperatures 49 in san francisco an ABC 7 News at 5PM
moss, jim harbaugh. that's where our focus lies, watching those guise hoist the trophy. there's a lot of work that goes into that, and everybody is dialed in. >> mike: you can't hype it anymore. all they got to do now is play the game. 12:00 kickoff tomorrow on the west coast. niners and falcons, and we'll be here after the game, hopefully with a victory. i'm n atlanta, i'm mike shumann, abc7 sports. >> rest up for tomorrow. i see you're standing in the end zone. the story lines may be more compelling in the afc title game. a rematch of last year, patriots again hosting baltimore. you know what that means? san mat te'o's tom brady vying for a sixth trip to the super bowl. ray lewis in his possibly last game, and the possibility of the har-bowl. jim and john. >> i'll see the score of the game and everything and be pulling hard nor 49ers, but can't get emotionally wrapped up in that stuff. >> obviously be focused on our game. i'm proud of jim. a great competitor. the toughest competitor i've ever seen. i had to compete with him and deal with him since he was born. >> imagine those two a KTVU Morning News
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and the final words from coach jim harbaugh. >> is a big challenge and a big task to play the a atlanta falcons people have said some nice things about us. that is nice. illustrate, that is nice. and according to the other great things but it does not change anything on what a work job is. >> this is a business trip this is exactly what we work for all season. and j. r. stone is in atlanta this weekend. and the san antonio spurs. with a basket malfunction. 22 points, six rebounds, seven assists. san antonio taking over. 20 port and tony parker all soberly code. the warriors have lost five of six a difficult going for them. and sixth in the nation. plan no. 14. with 825 points, 13 rebounds 75-49. the loss of connecticut and cal but police are coming back baseball team. would rather not go to arbitration but the giants say posture, which you take $8 million. his contract could even reach $100 million. hunter passions play for $14 million. >> just this morning, baltimore orioles has died. weaver was on a caribbean cruise ship was 82 years old. still ahead, the first few years of president obama is CBS 5 Eyewitness News at 6AM
affair this year, a battle between the harbaugh brothers and their teams. if you believe jim harbaugh, he has not spoken to brother john since the niners beat the falcons. >> doesn't matter who the coach is, or, you know, what relationship you have with somebody on the opposite side, you're trying to beat them. >> we did that last year. it got old last year. >> i love you man. >> i love you too. >> we're brothers, you can't change that. >> every moment you're talking about myself or john, that's less time that the players are going to be talked about. >> we had a few dreams, a few fights. we had a few arguments. just like all brothers, yeah, i guess so. yeah, we'll try to stay out of that business. we'll let the two teams duke it out as much as possible. >> we haven't spoken, a couple texts. >> it will be a good game regardless. cbs 5 is your super bowl station. we will have live team coverage from new orleans, i'll be there with dennis o'donnell, vern glenn and mike sugarman, watch on cbs 5 on february 3. >>> the golden state warriors keep winn CBS 5 Eyewitness News at 5AM
kaepernick. he is on this week's cover of "sports illustrated." take a look tatoos and all. even jim harbaugh gets second billing. steve young was on five times, joe montana 13 times. steve spurrier and john brody have also been on it and one year ago, it was alex smith right before the 9ers lost the nfc championship game to the giants. but not this year. >> hopefully there won't be a jinx because a lot of times of you get on the cover of that and you don't do well. >> let's not say the word jinx. >> not for him. he is too knew. >> here's what vegas is saying about the 14 still in the play- offs. the favorites are favored to win the super bowl at 6:5. 49ers second at 2:1. and followed by the falcons and then the ravens. >> i like those odds. looks like it could be a niner patriots super bowl. that would be fun. they beat the heck out of them in december. that was fun. >>> for more on 49ers merchandise and post-season coverage go to our website, cbssf.com/sports. all things 49ers. you will find it right there. >> you think you will get your retro Mornings on 2
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High Marks for Strayer Education - Bloomberg
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Investors bid the shares higher on Feb. 14 after the for-profit education provider's upbeat earnings report
February 14, 2008, 10:06 PM EST
While tightness in the private lending market caused by the credit crisis has investors worried about students' ability to afford college courses, Strayer Education (STRA) continues to report a rise in enrollment and sees its profits growing by up to 22% in the first quarter of 2008.
Cheered by a 17% pop in enrollment in the current semester and anticipating higher profits from new campuses, the owner of Strayer University said Feb. 14 it expects to earn $1.57 to $1.59 per share in the first three months of 2008, vs. the $1.30 in profit it posted a year ago. That's higher than the average forecast of $1.55 among Wall Street analysts, who also expect the company to earn $5.25 per share for all of 2008.
That forecast encouraged investors, who pushed the shares as much as 12% higher on Feb. 14 before they slid back to trade with a 6% gain at $167.50. Strayer Education's gain contrasts the declines in its competitors' stock prices. Shares of ITT Education Services (ESI) fell 8.2%, Career Education (CECO) shed 7.7%, and Corinthian Colleges (COCO) dropped 12%.
The troubles in the private lending market are trumping any positive effects a severe economic slowdown might have on education companies, which typically see enrollment climb during bad economic spells, says Brandon Dobell, an equity analyst at William Blair & Co. in Chicago.
"People are looking for a little bit of safety in the education [sector], and this is one of three or four names you really want to own here," he says.
While it's not clear what kind of exposure investors who own shares of any of Strayer's competitors have to the lending crunch, they know "there are no out-of-the-closet risks to come out of Strayer," Dobell says. (William Blair has received compensation for investment banking services from Strayer within the past 12 months, or expects to receive or intends to seek compensation in the next three months. It also makes a market in Strayer's securities.)
Unlike its peers, Strayer's customers are older, more credit-worthy, and have the advantage of getting a lot of tuition reimbursement from their employers, says Trace Urdan, an equity analyst at Signal Hill Capital Group in San Francisco.
"Effectively, [Strayer] is skimming the cream in terms of students," he says.
The Arlington (Va.) company's simple business model, strong management, and rarely disappointing earnings are a big draw in the current environment, where so many companies are struggling to show growth, says Urdan, who has a buy rating on the stock.
Strayer's shares are fairly expensive, even relative to the growth in profitability, concedes Urdan, who believes the stock is worth owning only over the longer term to reap the returns investors are seeking.
But Strayer's gross margins are poised to widen now that it has begun to achieve some critical mass in terms of brand recognition in the new markets where it has opened campuses in recent years, he says.
"In some of the markets they have moved into in the last five years, the brand is becoming known and accepted [so] they don't have to spend as much to acquire students," says Urdan. "That's a really terrific trend for them and will help supply the margin they need in order to grow into new markets."
The company is still concentrated in the eastern part of the U.S. but has said it's aiming for a nationwide presence.
On Feb. 14, Strayer reported a fourth-quarter profit of $1.34 per share, up 21% from $1.11 per share a year earlier. Higher enrollment and a 5% hike in tuition that took effect in January, 2007, drove revenue up 20%, to $89.1 million from $74.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2006.
For the full year, earnings rose 24%, to $4.47 per share from $3.61 per share in 2006 on revenue of $318 million, 21% higher than its $263.6 million the previous year.
At the start of the 2008 academic year, Strayer opened new campuses in Raleigh and Charlotte, N.C., and said in its fourth-quarter earnings release that in the 2008 spring term it will expand to new locations in Atlanta and Orlando, two markets in which it's already established.
With its programs narrowly focused on business and information technology, the costs of opening a new campus are limited to renting the buildings to house classrooms and hiring new instructors, says Urdan: "So the return on invested capital in the Strayer story is just phenomenal."
The economic slowdown hasn't caused any of the companies with which Strayer has alliances to pull back in reimbursing their employees' education expenses, Robert Silberman, Strayer's chairman and chief executive, said on a conference call to discuss the latest results.
"Most of the corporations we have alliances with tend to be heavily invested in human capital," he told analysts and shareholders. "I do not believe we will see much of an impact with regard to our business should the economy enter a recession."
In the last recession of 2001-02, corporate funding held steady at 20%, with the remaining 80% coming from students' and their families' pockets, Silberman said.
If companies decide to reduce the levels at which they're willing to reimburse employees for education costs, Strayer still has plenty of room under the requirements of the Title IV federal education loan program to expand students' financial-aid packages, he said.
Last year, Strayer repurchased roughly 260,800 shares of common stock at an average price of $146.05 per share, including 102,900 shares purchased at an average price of $175.86 in the fourth quarter. The company said it has remaining authorization to buy back up to $81.9 million worth of additional shares.
In February, Strayer's board approved grants of 42,536 shares of restricted stock to certain employees as part of the company's existing equity compensation plan, which replaced the stock options three years ago. These shares vest over three to five years and represent about 0.3% of total common shares outstanding, according to the earnings release. The stock price closed at $162.10 on the date of the restricted stock grant.
Any appreciation in the stock price will be driven by earnings rather than the multiples, Signal Hill's Urdan said, and he expects annual returns to be around 18%. "It's the kind of name to buy on weakness in order to maximize returns," he said.
In contrast, most of Strayer's rivals are not going to enjoy the high valuations they used to—at least not for a while—says Dobell at William Blair.

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